1 2017-11-12 00:02:48	0|aj|MarcoFalke: wow, pgp signed github acks? intense
  2 2017-11-12 04:45:17	0|tyrick|Is this where I come to bug people about core code?
  3 2017-11-12 04:47:09	0|mlz|tyrick, you can ask in #bitcoin channel
  4 2017-11-12 04:47:28	0|LumberCartel|tyrick:  This is where core developers are collaborating.  I suggest not trying to "bug" anyone here.  You might try asking about your issue in the #bitcoin channel first.
  5 2017-11-12 05:15:20	0|ChristianXK|👨🏻
  6 2017-11-12 06:07:58	0|bitcoin-git|[13bitcoin] 15MeshCollider opened pull request #11667: Add scripts to dumpwallet RPC (06master...06201710_dumpwallet_scripts) 02https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11667
  7 2017-11-12 08:47:24	0|ossifrage|I tried to rbf a transaction with 2 outputs, one in my wallet and one external, but it didn't mark the one from my wallet as a change address. Is this a bug?
  8 2017-11-12 08:47:55	0|ossifrage|[I didn't use the change address field, just manually added it as an output]
  9 2017-11-12 09:06:30	0|BGL|why can't bitcoin core start where it left off on re-indexing blocks, i seriously just had to restart twice in the last day and i'm back to zero again
 10 2017-11-12 09:06:49	0|BGL|probly not even going to finish by tomorrow
 11 2017-11-12 09:07:01	0|BGL|not even sure why i bothered manually transferring the block files
 12 2017-11-12 09:08:48	0|gmaxwell|BGL: it does continue where it left off, though if you've set your dbcache large then most of its work won't have been written to disk yet.
 13 2017-11-12 09:09:54	0|BGL|it's default
 14 2017-11-12 09:10:37	0|BGL|450mb, and now i'm 7 years behind again
 15 2017-11-12 09:11:02	0|BGL|for the 3rd time
 16 2017-11-12 09:11:23	0|BGL|this is on a brand new ssd so .. i don't get that either
 17 2017-11-12 09:58:35	0|luke-jr|BGL: why did you have to restart? ie, how did your computer stop doing it?
 18 2017-11-12 09:58:48	0|luke-jr|might be best to take this to #bitcoin ..
 19 2017-11-12 09:58:59	0|BGL|windows update
 20 2017-11-12 09:59:05	0|BGL|this last time
 21 2017-11-12 09:59:17	0|BGL|and the first time was because i forgot the program closes instead of minimizing to the tray by default
 22 2017-11-12 10:00:06	0|BGL|i've blown a whole day, literally now
 23 2017-11-12 10:00:30	0|luke-jr|hmm, I would expect a clean shutdown to work properly at least regardless of dbcache state
 24 2017-11-12 10:00:50	0|BGL|i don't know if i'd consider windows update a clean shutdown
 25 2017-11-12 10:01:14	0|BGL|according to it anyways
 26 2017-11-12 10:02:05	0|meshcollider|I guess the first should have been a clean shutdown though, if you just hit close?
 27 2017-11-12 10:03:03	0|BGL|well i guess that's a good point i'm not sure
 28 2017-11-12 10:03:15	0|BGL|i copied the blockchain, chainstate and some otehr stuff from another machine
 29 2017-11-12 10:03:42	0|BGL|i'd hoped this wouldn't be so involved by doing that
 30 2017-11-12 10:05:14	0|BGL|but maybe i incorrectly copied some file into this new machine that's causing a problem?
 31 2017-11-12 10:05:34	0|luke-jr|when you start it, does it mention corruption or anything?
 32 2017-11-12 10:05:48	0|BGL|no
 33 2017-11-12 10:07:58	0|BGL|if i manage to get fully through and it decides to start all over then i'll just clean install and download the chain again directly
 34 2017-11-12 10:08:19	0|BGL|but i sure wish this wasn't ungodly slow and gave some explanation or something
 35 2017-11-12 10:09:08	0|luke-jr|it's just going to get slower and slower until the block size is reduced :<
 36 2017-11-12 10:10:29	0|BGL|i was wondering if that blocks dir can be compressed for transfer? or does it not compress well at all
 37 2017-11-12 10:10:45	0|BGL|by the time i thought of it i was halfway through anyways
 38 2017-11-12 10:25:05	0|luke-jr|BGL: it probably can be compressed, but not exceptionally well with standard tools
 39 2017-11-12 10:26:12	0|luke-jr|in terms of syncing, compression may be more harm than good since ideal compression could break parallelism
 40 2017-11-12 11:42:02	0|gmaxwell|[OT] TD-Linux was able to disable ME on my new T470p using me_cleaner, it was zero difficulty (releatively speaking: requires clamping a flash programmer into the board)
 41 2017-11-12 11:48:11	0|luke-jr|gmaxwell: any effect on battery life?
 42 2017-11-12 11:48:51	0|gmaxwell|luke-jr: dunno yet, not expecting so, but will test tomorrow.
 43 2017-11-12 11:56:33	0|matt42|quit
 44 2017-11-12 12:29:54	0|sher48|what about big hashrate fluctuations? -28.68% _in 24 hours) is not good
 45 2017-11-12 12:35:02	0|sher48|it's time to switch miners mostly to commission income...
 46 2017-11-12 14:04:08	0|bitcoin-git|[13bitcoin] 15jBarz opened pull request #11669: Trivial: use unsigned type for delta (06master...06fix) 02https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11669
 47 2017-11-12 14:07:42	0|bitcoin-git|[13bitcoin] 15fanquake closed pull request #11669: Trivial: use unsigned type for delta (06master...06fix) 02https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11669
 48 2017-11-12 17:17:09	0|ossifrage|Should dumprivkey work for a segwit address? validateaddress lists the address, but dumpprivkey returns 'Address does not refer to a key (code -3)'
 49 2017-11-12 17:27:34	0|sher48|quit
 50 2017-11-12 17:27:47	0|sher48|exit
 51 2017-11-12 17:42:00	0|sipa|ossifrage: not yet
 52 2017-11-12 17:43:07	0|ossifrage|sipa, thanks... eventually I was able to backtrack to the original address I used for the 'addwitnessaddress' and the privkey for that address...
 53 2017-11-12 19:17:17	0|luke-jr|ossifrage: note that ordinarily people should not use dumpprivkey at all - it's for wallet debugging, nothing more
 54 2017-11-12 19:18:36	0|ossifrage|luke-jr, yeah I just did that as a sanity check when the dumprivkey key was confusing me
 55 2017-11-12 19:19:08	0|ossifrage|When I saw that none of the segwit addresses where in the dump I realized it wasn't specific to the key I was looking for
 56 2017-11-12 19:32:47	0|bitcoin-git|[13bitcoin] 15mikedennis closed pull request #11670: [Docs] Update with instructions for WSL for Win 10 fall 2017 creator update (06master...06master) 02https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11670
 57 2017-11-12 19:34:52	0|blockchain|@luke-jr why not ? I used dumprivkey to dump all my privat keys and save them seperatly
 58 2017-11-12 19:37:10	0|luke-jr|blockchain: 1) you'll miss metadata for sure, 2) novices will miss change, 3) newer wallets are HD, which don't have individual per-address private keys
 59 2017-11-12 19:57:17	0|blockchain|so what do you recommend. I don´t want all my bitcoins in one wallet
 60 2017-11-12 19:58:11	0|blockchain|individual per-address privat keys? I have about 100 privat keys with my bitcoins in it spreaded
 61 2017-11-12 20:02:51	0|sipa|blockchain: bitcoin core now supports multiple wallets
 62 2017-11-12 20:02:54	0|sipa|since 0.15
 63 2017-11-12 20:06:53	0|blockchain|i like the idea being able to redeem by privat keys on other wallets as well. So i can use my privat keys to redeem on blockchain.info for example. Its precarious ?
 64 2017-11-12 20:07:27	0|sipa|you can, but you're on your own
 65 2017-11-12 20:07:33	0|sipa|it's not what bitcoin core was designed for
 66 2017-11-12 20:11:07	0|blockchain|So actually I have saved one wallet.dat with all my bitcoins stored some years ago. Then when I want to use some bitcoin I just load one privat key into my new wallet.dat.  I am somehow concerned loading my whole wallet with all my bitcoins stored evertime I want to move some bitcoins
 67 2017-11-12 20:12:09	0|blockchain|Although my computer is crypted, someone might catch up while I am outside or some police raid or forced robbery.
 68 2017-11-12 20:12:30	0|eck|I was told that there's a proposal from someone (I forget who!) to do multi-process bitcoin core, where some of the processes could be sandboxed (similar to firefox/chrome); does anyone know where I could learn more about this?
 69 2017-11-12 22:17:43	0|puff|Good evening.
 70 2017-11-12 22:51:59	0|luke-jr|v0.15.1.knots20171111 tagged on https://github.com/bitcoinknots/bitcoin if anyone wants to help do gitian builds
 71 2017-11-12 23:14:27	0|BGL|i think this core client really is downloading all the dat again despite it saying its reindexing blocks on disks
 72 2017-11-12 23:16:32	0|sipa|why do you think so?
 73 2017-11-12 23:16:56	0|BGL|it's been like 15 hours and it's at 8%
 74 2017-11-12 23:17:04	0|oerauakk|"But in reality that's bullshit, full nodes are useless in the Bitcoin beyond providing connection points, what matter is the ring of inter connected mining nodes that guarantee your new transactions to reach 99% of hash power within 3 seconds."
 75 2017-11-12 23:17:09	0|oerauakk|How much truth is there to this statement?
 76 2017-11-12 23:17:58	0|sipa|oerauakk: full nodes are there to keep miners in check
 77 2017-11-12 23:18:09	0|sipa|if all miners are honest, full nodes are useless
 78 2017-11-12 23:18:24	0|sipa|but in that case, why do we have mining in the first place?
 79 2017-11-12 23:18:57	0|sipa|the whole point is to design a system where we don't rely on assuming miners - or anyone - is honest
 80 2017-11-12 23:20:22	0|oerauakk|sipa: but is there a limit to how many extra full nodes still benefit the network? Less nodes means more centralisation, but does more nodes mean a healthier network, or is there some threshold where there is not really any point in adding more nodes?
 81 2017-11-12 23:20:27	0|oerauakk|Can more nodes actually hinder the network?
 82 2017-11-12 23:20:59	0|sipa|oerauakk: *using* a full node matters
 83 2017-11-12 23:21:12	0|sipa|as in: basing your economic activity on one
 84 2017-11-12 23:21:29	0|sipa|not accepting transactions unless *your own* full node accepts ot
 85 2017-11-12 23:21:36	0|sipa|that is how you reduce trust
 86 2017-11-12 23:22:35	0|oerauakk|I see
 87 2017-11-12 23:22:43	0|oerauakk|Thanks, I understand it a little better now
 88 2017-11-12 23:22:48	0|sipa|you shouldn't care about others full nodes, except as an indication for how hard it is
 89 2017-11-12 23:23:30	0|oerauakk|But is there any merit to the argument that adding more nodes doesn't necessarily mean a healthier network?
 90 2017-11-12 23:23:31	0|oerauakk|how hard?
 91 2017-11-12 23:24:28	0|sipa|adding random nodes that nobody looks at doesn't matter at all
 92 2017-11-12 23:24:39	0|sipa|the network doesn't have a need for more nodes
 93 2017-11-12 23:25:00	0|sipa|but the ecosystem needs much more players that *use* their own nodes
 94 2017-11-12 23:25:17	0|sipa|also, this discussion probably belongs on #bitcoin
 95 2017-11-12 23:25:51	0|oerauakk|Sorry, I wasn't sure where to go
 96 2017-11-12 23:25:55	0|oerauakk|But thanks for your answers
 97 2017-11-12 23:27:32	0|luke-jr|BGL: quite often, the bottleneck is your CPU/disk, not bandwidth
 98 2017-11-12 23:27:50	0|luke-jr|BGL: it's not just loading data; it's verifying and processing it into a database
 99 2017-11-12 23:28:14	0|BGL|it's on a brand new ssd and not putting more than a ~25% load on the cpu
100 2017-11-12 23:28:20	0|BGL|i've benchmarked both and they are acting as expected
101 2017-11-12 23:29:17	0|sipa|BGL: increase your dbcache
102 2017-11-12 23:29:37	0|BGL|for some reason i thought i'd save time by copying the blocks folder to this machine
103 2017-11-12 23:29:49	0|sipa|also, validation early on in the chain is limited to 1 core
104 2017-11-12 23:29:52	0|BGL|increasing that on the fly while re-indexing will make a diff?
105 2017-11-12 23:30:23	0|luke-jr|BGL: you need to restart the node to change it (although it *should* resume where it left off)
106 2017-11-12 23:31:00	0|BGL|it didn't restart where it left off when i accidentally closed the window the first time, or when windows update re-booted the machine unexpextedly
107 2017-11-12 23:31:25	0|luke-jr|I remember, hence the "should"
108 2017-11-12 23:32:51	0|oerauakk|sipa: can I just ask though, if adding more nodes does not necessarily benefit the network, then why is it important to have more players use their own node?
109 2017-11-12 23:33:31	0|sturles|Can I make bitcoin use segwit addresses for change now, on master, or is that still a subject for discussion on how to do it properly?
110 2017-11-12 23:34:31	0|BGL|sipa when does validation start using more than 1 core?
111 2017-11-12 23:34:42	0|luke-jr|oerauakk: I answered that already in #Bitcoin fyi
112 2017-11-12 23:34:59	0|BGL|you can't change the dbcache without a client restart
113 2017-11-12 23:35:02	0|luke-jr|sturles: pretty sure you can't right now at least
114 2017-11-12 23:35:41	0|sturles|Will it do it automatically, or optionally as an agrument to sendmany etc?
115 2017-11-12 23:35:53	0|oerauakk|luke-jr: I seem to have missed it (disconnected)
116 2017-11-12 23:35:59	0|oerauakk|could you copy?
117 2017-11-12 23:36:06	0|oerauakk|I'll switch to #bitcoin
118 2017-11-12 23:36:12	0|luke-jr|oerauakk: reposted there