1 2010-09-28 00:02:55 <kaja> ah ok
  2 2010-09-28 00:03:11 <kaja> kermit: well shouldn't my password be a little more secure then? it's not md5'd or anything
  3 2010-09-28 00:03:14 <kaja> plaintext
  4 2010-09-28 00:04:19 <kaja> kermit: in about 20 minutes when i've loaded every block, could you please send me the smallest amount of currency? 0.01 bitcoins or whatever it is
  5 2010-09-28 00:04:22 <kaja> and i'll send it back to you
  6 2010-09-28 00:04:27 <kaja> i just want to test it :)
  7 2010-09-28 00:16:55 <doublec> kaja, try freebitcoins.appspot.com
  8 2010-09-28 00:17:00 <doublec> kaja, they'll send you 0.05 coins
  9 2010-09-28 00:17:45 <kaja> doublec: ah
 10 2010-09-28 00:18:50 <smop> yeah
 11 2010-09-28 00:18:55 <smop> i should get some bitcoins
 12 2010-09-28 00:19:02 <smop> but i don't have all the blocks yet
 13 2010-09-28 00:19:18 <smop> actaully
 14 2010-09-28 00:19:23 <smop> it was because i didn't have it added in mse
 15 2010-09-28 00:19:26 <smop> was reading through the wiki
 16 2010-09-28 00:19:30 <smop> i went from like 5k blocks
 17 2010-09-28 00:19:33 <smop> to 50k blocks
 18 2010-09-28 00:20:32 <kaja> if i haven't loaded all of the blocks yet but i've already requested a free bitcoin, then i'll get it when my blocks are loaded, right?
 19 2010-09-28 00:21:07 <doublec> yes
 20 2010-09-28 00:21:14 <nanotube> kaja: yes, as long as you give them the correct address :)
 21 2010-09-28 00:21:58 <kaja> cool. i approve of this idea of universal internet money
 22 2010-09-28 00:22:18 <kaja> pretty soon there will be internet nationalism
 23 2010-09-28 00:25:26 <kaja> hmm bitcoind doesn't seem to be working. if i close bitcoin, run bitcoind for a while, then reopen bitcoin, it shows that the number of blocks loaded hasn't increased
 24 2010-09-28 00:26:53 <smop> kaja: are you using windows ?
 25 2010-09-28 00:27:57 <briareus> getblockcount = 82499
 26 2010-09-28 00:29:32 <kaja> smop: linux
 27 2010-09-28 00:30:29 <doublec> kaja, how long is 'for a while'
 28 2010-09-28 00:30:50 <doublec> kaja, and what block count does bitcoind and bitcoin show?
 29 2010-09-28 00:36:09 <kaja> hm, nevermind. i made a typo in the rpcpassword line
 30 2010-09-28 00:36:11 <kaja> :P
 31 2010-09-28 00:54:15 <kaja> fedorared: azndan?
 32 2010-09-28 00:55:05 <fedorared> ?
 33 2010-09-28 00:55:12 <kaja> sorry
 34 2010-09-28 00:55:21 <fedorared> np
 35 2010-09-28 00:55:22 <kaja> i know a guy whose nickname on the internet is 'fedorare'
 36 2010-09-28 00:55:25 <kaja> i thought it was you
 37 2010-09-28 00:55:30 <kaja> but i guess it isn't
 38 2010-09-28 00:55:36 <fedorared> Ah.
 39 2010-09-28 00:56:22 <kaja> his name is Dan and he's asian. Some fat weirdo with a webcam tried to harrass him on the internet calling him 'azndan'. It stuck as a nickname
 40 2010-09-28 00:57:07 <Kiba> what zup bitcoiners
 41 2010-09-28 00:57:35 <Kiba> I got a web app coming soon that will accept bitcoin
 42 2010-09-28 00:57:40 <kaja> i'm making some internet moneys
 43 2010-09-28 00:57:46 <kaja> Kiba: what's it do?
 44 2010-09-28 00:58:12 <Kiba> leavage RPG game mechanic to help achevie your goal in life.
 45 2010-09-28 00:58:25 <kaja> someone should make a subscription porno that takes bitcoin
 46 2010-09-28 00:58:29 <Kiba> it's a mininum viable product right now
 47 2010-09-28 00:58:31 <kaja> THEN it would get off the ground
 48 2010-09-28 00:58:40 <Kiba> I am launching it now so I can gather feedback on where to go next
 49 2010-09-28 00:59:06 <bitbot> 0.31
 50 2010-09-28 00:59:06 <Kiba> ;math calc 5 * 0.062
 51 2010-09-28 00:59:47 <Kiba> ;math calc 5 / 0.062
 52 2010-09-28 00:59:48 <bitbot> 80.6451612903
 53 2010-09-28 00:59:57 <Kiba> apperantly, that will be 80 bitcoins a month
 54 2010-09-28 01:00:11 <Kiba> the idea is 15 days trial, 5 bucks a month.
 55 2010-09-28 01:00:55 <smop> nice
 56 2010-09-28 01:01:26 <Kiba> smop: you can use it now for free since I didn't implement the business model yet...
 57 2010-09-28 01:01:31 <Kiba> http://soulplaying.com
 58 2010-09-28 01:01:52 <Kiba> think of it as a TODO list with built-in RPG elements
 59 2010-09-28 01:01:57 <smop> sight didn't load
 60 2010-09-28 01:01:59 <smop> site
 61 2010-09-28 01:02:11 <kaja> yeah not working
 62 2010-09-28 01:02:33 <Kiba> oh...
 63 2010-09-28 01:02:44 <Kiba> must be DNS propogation didn't spread out across the internet yet
 64 2010-09-28 01:02:52 <Kiba> soulplaying.heroku.com
 65 2010-09-28 01:03:01 <Kiba> I can access it
 66 2010-09-28 01:03:25 <Kiba> it look crappy..hmm
 67 2010-09-28 01:03:51 <redengin> lol, grinding irl
 68 2010-09-28 01:04:12 <smop> see ess ess is choppy
 69 2010-09-28 01:04:16 <smop> redengin: would do well
 70 2010-09-28 01:04:26 <smop> if maybe it gave you lots of positive feedback
 71 2010-09-28 01:04:32 <smop> and had some sort of metagame
 72 2010-09-28 01:04:52 <smop> like rescuetime just tracks your shit and that's it
 73 2010-09-28 01:04:56 <smop> actually thats what most of them do
 74 2010-09-28 01:06:07 <Kiba> negative feedback are worse than postive feedback
 75 2010-09-28 01:06:16 <kaja> Kiba: neat idea. i've been looking for something like this
 76 2010-09-28 01:06:16 <smop> yeah
 77 2010-09-28 01:06:17 <Kiba> but you don't incur them when you're done with the quest.
 78 2010-09-28 01:06:47 <Kiba> the failure is alway higher than positive reward, as incentive to make you do them
 79 2010-09-28 01:07:03 <Kiba> kaja: it have some bugs and kinks to work out.
 80 2010-09-28 01:08:33 <Kiba> once I upgrade the framework, than I will work adding business model feature
 81 2010-09-28 01:10:31 <kaja> Kiba: how does "EXP points" work?
 82 2010-09-28 01:13:13 <Kiba> you earn them than you level up
 83 2010-09-28 01:13:50 <kaja> oh ok so a reward of 10 means i'll get 10 experience points
 84 2010-09-28 01:13:55 <kaja> and when i get 100 i level up
 85 2010-09-28 01:15:47 <Kiba> yup
 86 2010-09-28 01:15:59 <kaja> cool
 87 2010-09-28 01:16:31 <redengin> and then chicks will like you :)
 88 2010-09-28 01:16:40 <kaja> Kiba: you need to implement a way to break down todo items
 89 2010-09-28 01:16:48 <kaja> Kiba: so that there's sub-todo items
 90 2010-09-28 01:17:01 <kaja> Kiba: and a % complete calculation for each todo
 91 2010-09-28 01:17:15 <kaja> Kiba: so say my quest is "Build a new computer"
 92 2010-09-28 01:17:39 <kaja> Kiba: then under it there will be "Buy a motherboard", "Install Arch Linux", and so on
 93 2010-09-28 01:17:56 <kaja> and if i do 2/10 things, then my quest is 20% complete
 94 2010-09-28 01:18:54 <Kiba> yes, I got that very clearly
 95 2010-09-28 01:21:02 <smop> I GOT MY .05 BITCOINS!
 96 2010-09-28 01:22:02 <nanotube> smop: o/ :)
 97 2010-09-28 01:22:12 <smop> that's like almost 1 bitcoin
 98 2010-09-28 01:22:25 <smop> wait
 99 2010-09-28 01:22:31 <smop> is there like a cents
100 2010-09-28 01:22:37 <smop> kind of like how you have dollars and cents
101 2010-09-28 01:22:43 <smop> or is everything just coins
102 2010-09-28 01:23:37 <fedorared> There are fractions of coins, called bitcents given the hundedths accuracy of the client
103 2010-09-28 01:24:33 <fedorared> the 8th is possible supposedly
104 2010-09-28 01:26:57 <Kiba> my app would be the latest addition to the bitcoin economy
105 2010-09-28 01:27:10 <Kiba> as soon as I got business model features working that is
106 2010-09-28 01:48:00 <briareus> getblockcount = 82499
107 2010-09-28 02:09:37 <lfm> ;bn
108 2010-09-28 02:09:45 <lfm> rn
109 2010-09-28 02:09:48 <lfm> ;rn
110 2010-09-28 02:09:50 <bitbot> lfm: CurrentBlockCount( 82,508 blocks ) CurrentDifficulty( 917.8309374400 ) NextDifficultyAt( 82,656 blocks ) NextDifficultyIn( 148 blocks )
111 2010-09-28 02:10:00 <lfm> ;estimate
112 2010-09-28 02:10:02 <bitbot> lfm: LastDiff(9d 02:03:38 ago)  ExpBlocks(1308)  ActualBlocks(1868)  TrgNewDiffDate(2010/10/03 02:04:07 GMT)  EstNewDiffDate(2010/09/28 21:24:21 GMT)  EstNewDiff(1310.78607885)
113 2010-09-28 02:12:36 <Keefe> 17 hours til adjust
114 2010-09-28 02:26:18 <jgarzik> there's a bid for 20,000 BTC on mtgox
115 2010-09-28 02:26:52 <jgarzik> @ 0.06
116 2010-09-28 02:27:02 <jgarzik> hmmm, maybe that's total bids
117 2010-09-28 02:28:34 <doublec> price dropped a bit in the last few hours
118 2010-09-28 02:30:43 <jgarzik> someone should maintain a wiki page with notable press mentions for bitcoin
119 2010-09-28 02:54:30 <Keefe> only 1 pip spread at mtgox at the moment :)
120 2010-09-28 03:27:42 <lfm> ;market
121 2010-09-28 03:27:44 <bitbot> lfm: Last(bcm:0.0635, mtgox:0.062) High(bcm:0.0625, mtgox:0.0623) Low(bcm:0.0606, mtgox:0.0617) BestBuyPrice(bcm:0.068, mtgox:0.062) Volume(bcm:600, mtgox:12963)
122 2010-09-28 04:35:30 <lfm> ;estimate
123 2010-09-28 04:35:32 <bitbot> lfm: LastDiff(9d 04:29:07 ago)  ExpBlocks(1322)  ActualBlocks(1887)  TrgNewDiffDate(2010/10/03 02:04:07 GMT)  EstNewDiffDate(2010/09/28 21:37:36 GMT)  EstNewDiff(1310.09605064)
124 2010-09-28 04:35:53 <lfm> ;rn
125 2010-09-28 04:35:54 <bitbot> lfm: CurrentBlockCount( 82,527 blocks ) CurrentDifficulty( 917.8309374400 ) NextDifficultyAt( 82,656 blocks ) NextDifficultyIn( 129 blocks )
126 2010-09-28 05:06:16 <joe_1> i need to hire a web designer for my bitcoin site
127 2010-09-28 05:15:09 <joe_1> hey
128 2010-09-28 05:19:40 <grondilu> Hi, I wrote a bash function to play rock-paper-scissor on IRC !  I guess one might play for bitcoins.  http://pastebin.ca/1950204
129 2010-09-28 05:24:18 <grondilu> oops
130 2010-09-28 05:25:15 <joe_1> let me play
131 2010-09-28 05:26:34 <grondilu> a much simpler version :
132 2010-09-28 05:26:35 <grondilu> rps() { echo "$@" sha1sum <<<"$@" | cut -d' ' -f1
133 2010-09-28 05:26:44 <grondilu> joe_1: wanna try ?
134 2010-09-28 05:27:07 <joe_1> k
135 2010-09-28 05:27:11 <grondilu> rps() { echo "$@" ; sha1sum <<<"$@" | cut -d' ' -f1 ; }
136 2010-09-28 05:28:09 <grondilu> so you exec 'rps choice xxxxx' where choice is your choice 'rock' 'paper' or 'scissors' and xxxx is some noise you type on the keyboard.
137 2010-09-28 05:28:39 <grondilu> this you copy the second line of the output here.
138 2010-09-28 05:28:48 <grondilu> s/this/then/
139 2010-09-28 05:29:06 <grondilu> I get this :  3d60a159bfd51d92507cf07dfbc393f0a36741e2
140 2010-09-28 05:29:13 <grondilu> your turn.
141 2010-09-28 05:29:42 <joe_1> im on a windows box atm
142 2010-09-28 05:29:57 <grondilu> you don't have bash ?
143 2010-09-28 05:30:06 <grondilu> cygwin or something ?
144 2010-09-28 05:30:26 <joe_1> not here right now
145 2010-09-28 05:30:32 <grondilu> too bad
146 2010-09-28 05:30:37 <joe_1> yea
147 2010-09-28 05:31:56 <joe_1> i couldnt brute force your guess?
148 2010-09-28 05:32:16 <grondilu> I doubt you can, if my noise is long enough.
149 2010-09-28 05:35:27 <joe_1> thats pretty cool
150 2010-09-28 05:36:02 <grondilu> I can also enter something like "rps rock $RANDOM$RANDOM$RANDOM$RANDOM"
151 2010-09-28 05:37:27 <joe_1> oh true
152 2010-09-28 05:37:49 <grondilu> or, as in my first version,  "rps paper $(head -c 16 /dev/random/|xxd -p)"
153 2010-09-28 05:38:57 <joe_1> wat is xxd
154 2010-09-28 05:39:21 <grondilu> converts binary into hexadecimal
155 2010-09-28 05:39:28 <joe_1> oh ok
156 2010-09-28 05:39:46 <joe_1> but you dont necessarily have to use that you could leave that out right?
157 2010-09-28 05:40:10 <grondilu> yeah, you can just type crap such as  jnkgndnfkjdgfkheurrfre??
158 2010-09-28 05:40:19 <joe_1> well i mean without the xxd
159 2010-09-28 05:40:32 <grondilu> no, you need xxd to get ascii
160 2010-09-28 05:40:53 <grondilu> /dev/random is a binary file
161 2010-09-28 05:41:03 <joe_1> oh because bash will throw up if it doesnt evaluate to ascii?
162 2010-09-28 05:41:28 <grondilu> well, your terminal won't be happy.
163 2010-09-28 05:41:38 <joe_1> oo
164 2010-09-28 05:41:40 <joe_1> ok
165 2010-09-28 05:41:49 <joe_1> cause your thing probably echo's back what you typed in
166 2010-09-28 05:42:02 <grondilu> it does indeed
167 2010-09-28 05:42:43 <grondilu> at the end you have to show the initial string to your opponent, to prove him that you won.
168 2010-09-28 05:43:35 <joe_1> ha thats cool
169 2010-09-28 05:43:38 <grondilu> (if you won)
170 2010-09-28 05:46:34 <joe_1> have you been to my new casino yet
171 2010-09-28 05:48:12 <grondilu> no.  I don't play money games, but for some time I was curious about how to build some.
172 2010-09-28 05:48:47 <joe_1> yeah right now its just roulette but i'm trying to put in poker
173 2010-09-28 05:48:52 <grondilu> If you like my rock-paper-scissor function, you can give me some bitcoin :-)  1B2iTej3NC4LPL3PhSZiFBdB4chqZrNuck
174 2010-09-28 05:49:17 <grondilu> you have a roulette website ?
175 2010-09-28 05:49:43 <joe_1> yeah it is at cashcow.no-ip.org
176 2010-09-28 05:50:11 <grondilu> ok
177 2010-09-28 05:50:37 <joe_1> i can get you started with a couple bitcoins just let me know what your username is
178 2010-09-28 05:51:34 <grondilu> why do I have to register ??
179 2010-09-28 05:52:00 <joe_1> no
180 2010-09-28 05:52:01 <grondilu> I thought the point of bitcoins was that you don't have to register anywhere.
181 2010-09-28 05:52:51 <joe_1> i
182 2010-09-28 05:52:58 <joe_1> 'll send 2 btc to that address
183 2010-09-28 05:53:15 <grondilu> oh sorry : "Easy No-Form Signup: Enter desired credentials and click Log In"
184 2010-09-28 05:53:52 <grondilu> hang on
185 2010-09-28 05:55:36 <grondilu> ok my username is just grondilu
186 2010-09-28 05:56:34 <joe_1> ive updated your account with 5 BTC
187 2010-09-28 05:56:47 <grondilu> ok I'll play them  :)
188 2010-09-28 05:56:50 <grondilu> thks
189 2010-09-28 05:56:55 <joe_1> np
190 2010-09-28 05:58:30 <grondilu> it's my first bitcoins actually, how long does it take to receive it ?
191 2010-09-28 05:58:37 <joe_1> immediate
192 2010-09-28 05:58:41 <grondilu> ah
193 2010-09-28 05:59:01 <grondilu> on mybitcoin I read "Account Balance is: 0.00 BTC"
194 2010-09-28 05:59:02 <joe_1> just move the bitcoins into your checking account and withdraw
195 2010-09-28 05:59:15 <joe_1> ok move the bitcoins into your checking account
196 2010-09-28 05:59:31 <grondilu> I don't get it.
197 2010-09-28 05:59:56 <joe_1> In cashcow, find where it says Transfer [  ] BTC from [Checking to Casino]
198 2010-09-28 06:00:12 <joe_1> Change it to say Casino to Checking, then enter 5. Then click Go
199 2010-09-28 06:00:21 <grondilu> oh
200 2010-09-28 06:00:25 <grondilu> I see
201 2010-09-28 06:00:38 <grondilu> hang on
202 2010-09-28 06:02:12 <doublec> I don't think mybitcoin will allow you to use the balance until it's confirmed
203 2010-09-28 06:02:18 <grondilu> ok
204 2010-09-28 06:02:36 <grondilu> then I just press "Launch roulette" ?
205 2010-09-28 06:02:45 <Diablo-D3> HASHIN!
206 2010-09-28 06:02:55 <joe_1> no- if you want to play roulette move the coins back to your casino account
207 2010-09-28 06:03:14 <joe_1> if you want to put them in to your mybitcoin account, then keep them in checking, and use the other form that says pay out to a foreign address
208 2010-09-28 06:04:00 <grondilu> damned it, that's not trivial.
209 2010-09-28 06:04:07 <joe_1> it's 2 accounts to prevent people from going crazy at the roulette table
210 2010-09-28 06:05:45 <grondilu> ok I have 1 in casino, and 4 in checking.  I guess now I can press "launch roulette" and it will bet 1 BTC, right ?
211 2010-09-28 06:05:52 <joe_1> yes
212 2010-09-28 06:05:59 <grondilu> ok, I'll do that.
213 2010-09-28 06:06:47 <grondilu> well, it opened a new window ?!
214 2010-09-28 06:07:25 <grondilu> a flash anim is loading
215 2010-09-28 06:08:11 <joe_1> thats ok it will be fast once its up
216 2010-09-28 06:08:40 <grondilu> wow
217 2010-09-28 06:11:09 <grondilu> I click on "even" but nothing happens.
218 2010-09-28 06:12:00 <grondilu> something's wrong.  Maybe it's my browser (I'm using uzbl).
219 2010-09-28 06:12:31 <joe_1> oh, wow, i cant seem to reproduce the problem you're having
220 2010-09-28 06:12:52 <joe_1> when you click even a chip should appear there, then you have to click spin
221 2010-09-28 06:15:13 <grondilu> webkit is not very good with flash.  I'll try again with an other browser.
222 2010-09-28 06:19:21 <grondilu> I feel bad having received your bitcoins while I can't play.  Give me your bitcoin address so that I give you your 5BTC back.
223 2010-09-28 06:19:37 <joe_1> dont worry abou it
224 2010-09-28 06:20:56 <grondilu> I'll go to the library later, I'll be able to use an other machine.  I'll try again.
225 2010-09-28 06:22:37 <joe_1> ok
226 2010-09-28 06:22:41 <grondilu> Your site seems fine, but IMO you should consider making a plain text interface for people who have non standard plateform.
227 2010-09-28 06:23:21 <joe_1> Yeah, Im thinking of putting that in soon. I have already received feedback from others that they dont like flash in general
228 2010-09-28 06:24:48 <grondilu> If you do so, may I suggest you use the hash method I've described here for my paper-rock-sciss, so that the user can always check that the game was fair.
229 2010-09-28 06:25:54 <kermit> hmm  i thought hte FAQ said bitcoin supported smaller amounts than 1/100 unit
230 2010-09-28 06:31:04 <joe_1> the system does but the client may not
231 2010-09-28 06:33:17 <joe_1> does anyone know the url to the poker room
232 2010-09-28 06:38:32 <doublec> joe_1, what poker room?
233 2010-09-28 06:38:56 <doublec> joe_1, how are your html 5 skills? You could do a canvas based roulette implementation.
234 2010-09-28 06:39:00 <kermit> joe_1: oh, i can change that :)
235 2010-09-28 06:41:17 <joe_1> haha -- i dont even know what html 5 is
236 2010-09-28 06:41:45 <joe_1> the Bitcoin Poker Room under the Marketplace in bitcoin.org forums
237 2010-09-28 06:42:31 <joe_1> How would a canvas based implementation work? is that where you have the image, and then box out each place on the image to correspond to a different hyperlink?
238 2010-09-28 06:42:59 <joe_1> I could just make a table with some javascript
239 2010-09-28 06:43:20 <kermit> briareus: were you evre able to compile or get a binary that worked on that system?
240 2010-09-28 06:43:30 <kermit> briareus: oh wait i forgot, bitcoind ran, nevermind
241 2010-09-28 06:56:24 <doublec> joe_1, <canvas> gives you an area on the page that you can address direct pixel data
242 2010-09-28 06:56:36 <doublec> joe_1, for an example: http://bluishcoder.co.nz/js8080
243 2010-09-28 06:56:40 <doublec> click 'animate' on that page
244 2010-09-28 06:56:47 <doublec> the area where the game is drawn is a canvas
245 2010-09-28 06:57:15 <doublec> assuming you have a browser that supports canvas of course
246 2010-09-28 06:59:20 <doublec> it's the browser vendors attempt to counter flash usage
247 2010-09-28 07:00:28 <joe_1> but i thought mapping regions of images has been around forever in html
248 2010-09-28 07:00:53 <doublec> canvas is different. It lets you access individual pixels, draw lines and curves, etc
249 2010-09-28 07:02:48 <doublec> here's an example of a roulette-like thing: http://www.switchonthecode.com/tutorials/creating-a-roulette-wheel-using-html5-canvas
250 2010-09-28 07:03:39 <doublec> restricting your game to canvas-supporting browsers may be a deal killer for you though
251 2010-09-28 07:03:54 <Diablo-D3> you mean the majority of browsers?
252 2010-09-28 07:05:22 <doublec> yeah, the majority do currently support it
253 2010-09-28 07:05:45 <doublec> even the IE 9 beta does
254 2010-09-28 07:06:08 <Diablo-D3> IE isnt in the majority.
255 2010-09-28 07:06:43 <doublec> I'm not sure what you are getting at
256 2010-09-28 07:07:16 <doublec> Chrome, Opera, Safari (including on mobile) and Firefox support it in release browsers
257 2010-09-28 07:07:21 <doublec> IE supports it in beta
258 2010-09-28 07:07:32 <Diablo-D3> this is what Im saying
259 2010-09-28 07:07:36 <Diablo-D3> anything webkit and firefox does it
260 2010-09-28 07:07:42 <Diablo-D3> no one cares what msie does
261 2010-09-28 07:07:59 <joe_1> haha
262 2010-09-28 07:08:53 <joe_1> i dont know how to do graphic design i can only program
263 2010-09-28 07:13:54 <joe_1> although i could try to put something togethre
264 2010-09-28 07:14:06 <joe_1> right now im focused on getting poker on the website
265 2010-09-28 07:14:11 <joe_1> not sure how to prioritize
266 2010-09-28 07:14:20 <doublec> you'll have the same problem with poker
267 2010-09-28 07:14:23 <doublec> some people will hate flash
268 2010-09-28 07:14:27 <doublec> some people will hate java
269 2010-09-28 07:14:39 <joe_1> haha.. it will be java
270 2010-09-28 07:14:50 <joe_1> because i have a java poker server/client that i made a few years ago
271 2010-09-28 07:14:54 <doublec> I say pick what you prefer, make money off those that use it, and then build some other version to please everyone else
272 2010-09-28 07:17:13 <kermit> who wants a free bitcoin?
273 2010-09-28 07:20:11 <UukGoblin> who wants a free beer?
274 2010-09-28 07:21:17 <kermit> what happens when you send to IP address that more than one person is using?
275 2010-09-28 07:21:50 <doublec> only one client would be listening on the port and they'd get it
276 2010-09-28 07:22:06 <doublec> I guess
277 2010-09-28 07:22:13 <kermit> oh
278 2010-09-28 07:22:41 <doublec> giving out your IP address for receipt of money sounds a tad risky though
279 2010-09-28 07:23:13 <joe_1> isnt java safe?
280 2010-09-28 07:23:55 <doublec> it's as safe as flash
281 2010-09-28 07:24:14 <kermit> doublec: how so?
282 2010-09-28 07:24:39 <kermit> er, how is java unsafe, i mean
283 2010-09-28 07:24:55 <doublec> kermit, I didn't say it was unsafe
284 2010-09-28 07:25:15 <doublec> flash and java are both virtual machines running in the browser
285 2010-09-28 07:25:15 <kermit> oh i misread, sorry
286 2010-09-28 07:25:21 <doublec> so they'd have the same risks
287 2010-09-28 07:25:48 <kermit> so did i just break the whole thing by seding .00001 btc? heh
288 2010-09-28 07:25:55 <kermit> the UI didnt want me to
289 2010-09-28 07:25:56 <doublec> I am probably in a minority in that I don't mind flash or java apps
290 2010-09-28 07:26:21 <doublec> But I prefer html based apps if possible
291 2010-09-28 07:26:48 <doublec> kermit, so you're the one that just crashed all the bitcoin clients!?!
292 2010-09-28 07:28:07 <kermit> haha
293 2010-09-28 07:28:34 <joe_1> wow mine's down too
294 2010-09-28 07:28:55 <kermit> it is not :P all my peers are still htere
295 2010-09-28 07:29:42 <lfm> someone just sent a bunch of fees
296 2010-09-28 07:30:08 <kermit> where do the fees go?
297 2010-09-28 07:33:01 <lfm> they get added to the 50.00 reward
298 2010-09-28 07:35:41 <kermit> you mean the 50 you get for a block?  at some point fees will be incured faster than new coins will be made
299 2010-09-28 07:37:00 <kermit> omg someone deleted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin
300 2010-09-28 07:37:10 <Diablo-D3> yes, wikipedia is non-notable
301 2010-09-28 07:37:45 <joe_1> wikipedia is worthless now. everything is deleted
302 2010-09-28 07:38:00 <joe_1> they're trying to be a "real" encyclopedia
303 2010-09-28 07:39:06 <bonsaikitten> deleterians are really confused
304 2010-09-28 07:39:18 <bonsaikitten> how does removing valid content make an encyclopedia mor relevant?
305 2010-09-28 07:40:08 <UukGoblin> hmm I've earned 50.00000010 with one of my generated blocks
306 2010-09-28 07:40:12 <kermit> i dont really understand wikipedia, an article is only a few KB, thast not worth one human's blink to bother deleting
307 2010-09-28 07:40:22 <UukGoblin> and now I can't transfer it to my master account because
308 2010-09-28 07:40:29 <UukGoblin> SendMoney() : Error: This is an oversized transaction that requires a transaction fee of 0.01
309 2010-09-28 07:40:50 <UukGoblin> (when I try to transfer 50.0000001
310 2010-09-28 07:40:51 <UukGoblin> )
311 2010-09-28 07:40:58 <kermit> so just transfer 50
312 2010-09-28 07:41:05 <lfm> leave a couple cents behind
313 2010-09-28 07:41:23 <UukGoblin> but why is it an oversized transaction?
314 2010-09-28 07:41:27 <UukGoblin> shouldn't be
315 2010-09-28 07:41:32 <lfm> needs to leave more than 0.01 behind
316 2010-09-28 07:42:06 <lfm> thats wrong message. it is an undersized transaction (the change part)
317 2010-09-28 07:42:31 <UukGoblin> trying to send 50.00 results in the same
318 2010-09-28 07:42:43 <lfm> try 49.99
319 2010-09-28 07:42:50 <UukGoblin> that went
320 2010-09-28 07:43:15 <UukGoblin> I'm 0.01000010 down
321 2010-09-28 07:43:40 <lfm> Its cuz some silly bastard was playing with microcents
322 2010-09-28 07:44:32 <FreeMoney> do you have the newest version?
323 2010-09-28 07:44:38 <lfm> Satoshi is aware of the problem, I think there is  some code to deal with it in the next version
324 2010-09-28 07:45:15 <FreeMoney> oh, I thought it was already out
325 2010-09-28 07:45:28 <lfm> not in 0.3.12 yet afaik
326 2010-09-28 07:55:24 <AAA_awright> Like maybe removing the transaction fee?
327 2010-09-28 07:55:59 <lfm> huh? I think his fix was to add more fees
328 2010-09-28 07:56:13 <AAA_awright> What good would that do?
329 2010-09-28 07:56:33 <lfm> he passes on the microcents to someone else.
330 2010-09-28 07:57:07 <AAA_awright> I'm lost, if the problem is too many fees, the solution is remove the fees.
331 2010-09-28 07:57:13 <lfm> youd have to ask him why he thinks its a good idea
332 2010-09-28 07:57:55 <lfm> the problem isnt really too many fees. its cuz someone is putting out really tiny ones that he wasnt expecting
333 2010-09-28 07:57:57 <AAA_awright> If you are trying to prevent a flood I don't see how that's helpful. Plus, you are setting an arbitrary tax.
334 2010-09-28 07:58:44 <kermit> sorry
335 2010-09-28 07:58:57 <AAA_awright> UukGoblin: What's the problem then?
336 2010-09-28 07:59:14 <kermit> the faq said it supported it http://www.bitcoin.org/faq#How_divisible_are_Bitcoins
337 2010-09-28 07:59:25 <UukGoblin> AAA_awright, I can't transmit MY money to MYSELF
338 2010-09-28 07:59:48 <UukGoblin> without paying a fee (and I believe the current JSON-RPC doesn't allow for even sending out a fee)
339 2010-09-28 07:59:57 <lfm> 0.0000010 fees winding up in someones reward then the cleint trying to stop so called dust with convoluted logic
340 2010-09-28 08:00:23 <AAA_awright> Why the fee again?
341 2010-09-28 08:00:38 <AAA_awright> What conditions is the fee triggered?
342 2010-09-28 08:00:44 <AAA_awright> Your fee that you don't like
343 2010-09-28 08:01:00 <AAA_awright> >=50 seems rather arbitrary
344 2010-09-28 08:01:21 <UukGoblin> if there are fees implemented, PEOPLE should be able to choose how much they're charging, not satoshi
345 2010-09-28 08:01:22 <lfm> cuz some silly bastard was playing around and causing trouble
346 2010-09-28 08:01:47 <spaetz> UukGoblin: there is a command line option to set the fee you want to charge afaik
347 2010-09-28 08:01:48 <lfm> UukGoblin, you are free to change it, it is open source
348 2010-09-28 08:02:07 <AAA_awright> How is someone causing trouble again?
349 2010-09-28 08:02:16 <UukGoblin> lfm, but only a small percentage of people will download my version ;-]
350 2010-09-28 08:02:23 <AAA_awright> What difference does it make what amount you are sending over the network?
351 2010-09-28 08:02:29 <UukGoblin> it's not a /huge/ trouble, just breaking my auto-transfer scripts ;-)
352 2010-09-28 08:02:36 <lfm> UukGoblin, you don't need everyone to run it, just you
353 2010-09-28 08:02:48 <UukGoblin> I can't send 50.0000001 from one account to another
354 2010-09-28 08:03:07 <UukGoblin> lfm, but no-one will accept my transaction
355 2010-09-28 08:03:14 <AAA_awright> How is some "silly bastard" making it so you are charged a fee based on if your transaction is over 50 or not?
356 2010-09-28 08:03:21 <lfm> UukGoblin, actually everyone will accept it
357 2010-09-28 08:03:34 <UukGoblin> lfm, oh, I didn't realize that
358 2010-09-28 08:03:51 <lfm> the test is on the creation of the transaction, not when it comes from the net
359 2010-09-28 08:03:58 <UukGoblin> lol.
360 2010-09-28 08:04:03 <UukGoblin> that doesn't prevent anything then
361 2010-09-28 08:04:40 <lfm> UukGoblin, right, thats how the 0.00001 was created in the first place, by the "silly bastard" making a special version for himself
362 2010-09-28 08:04:54 <UukGoblin> right.
363 2010-09-28 08:05:00 <UukGoblin> I thought he found some other hole
364 2010-09-28 08:05:15 <lfm> nope, its more of a design feature
365 2010-09-28 08:05:26 <AAA_awright> I didn't know there was any client-side limit...?
366 2010-09-28 08:05:28 <UukGoblin> it's a bit pointless then