1 2010-10-06 01:11:28 <nanotube> theymos: whatcha working on? :)
  2 2010-10-06 01:12:17 <theymos> nanotube: Nothing right now. I was looking at the seednodes for http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1375.0
  3 2010-10-06 01:16:24 <nanotube> mmm
  4 2010-10-06 11:04:29 <kermit> is there a protocol spec anywhere?
  5 2010-10-06 11:05:32 <kermit> or, if not, any particular part of the source code that would be a good starting point?
  6 2010-10-06 11:06:02 <UukGoblin> there is
  7 2010-10-06 11:07:32 <UukGoblin> ... an attempt: http://code.google.com/p/pybitcoin/wiki/BitcoinProtocol
  8 2010-10-06 11:14:50 <kermit> that says wiki but i dont see an edit button
  9 2010-10-06 11:15:12 <UukGoblin> you're not 1337 enough
 10 2010-10-06 11:15:14 <kermit> haha "reverse engineered" , its open source.
 11 2010-10-06 11:15:24 <UukGoblin> yeah, I find it funny too
 12 2010-10-06 11:15:25 <kermit> i am, someone just doesnt know it yet ;)
 13 2010-10-06 11:16:21 <ArtForz> writing the spec based on the implementation *is* reverse engineering
 14 2010-10-06 11:17:16 <bonsaikitten> that makes me wonder ...
 15 2010-10-06 11:17:25 <bonsaikitten> Design does not work that way :)
 16 2010-10-06 11:18:29 <ArtForz> well, bittorrent was initially specd the same way
 17 2010-10-06 11:19:23 <bonsaikitten> a glorious hack
 18 2010-10-06 11:19:26 <bonsaikitten> less bad than the competition
 19 2010-10-06 11:20:48 <ArtForz> btw, I got a working python not-quite-a-node
 20 2010-10-06 11:21:54 <ArtForz> basically a pure network node, no local wallet or miner
 21 2010-10-06 11:24:35 <ArtForz> does outgoing+incoming connections, it can deserialize/serialize all messages, stores and forwards TXes+blocks
 22 2010-10-06 11:25:56 <ArtForz> though I have to update my python CScript interpreter to handle scripts the same as mainline so it doesn't accept TXes mainline wouldnt
 23 2010-10-06 11:35:20 <UukGoblin> fun
 24 2010-10-06 11:35:50 <darkskiez> i still dont see what problem that script module solves in order to exist in the design
 25 2010-10-06 11:40:48 <kermit> ArtForz: i'd like to see that
 26 2010-10-06 11:42:30 <redengin> QE2 begins today., nutters in 5...4...3...2...1....
 27 2010-10-06 11:43:36 <kermit> my house will appreciate to more than i owe right after the bank forecloses ;)
 28 2010-10-06 12:24:28 <Diablo-D3> m0mchil: hey, newest poclmb is hitting 62 mhash
 29 2010-10-06 12:24:30 <Diablo-D3> up from 58
 30 2010-10-06 12:26:31 <m0mchil> I still can't get any idea how to achieve ArtForz's 190 Mhash/s on 5770... even with OC
 31 2010-10-06 12:26:55 <UukGoblin> m0mchil, how much are you getting?
 32 2010-10-06 12:27:07 <m0mchil> 150
 33 2010-10-06 12:27:16 <UukGoblin> pretty close
 34 2010-10-06 12:27:34 <m0mchil> with OC 160
 35 2010-10-06 12:27:38 <UukGoblin> won't it depend on specific model of the card?
 36 2010-10-06 12:27:40 <Diablo-D3> art said my 4850 should get 75
 37 2010-10-06 12:28:03 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: no, btc isnt memory bandwidth intensive, so gddr3 vs 5 wont matter
 38 2010-10-06 12:28:06 <m0mchil> yes, using his kernel it will perhaps
 39 2010-10-06 12:28:17 <UukGoblin> is that the regular opensource thing from the forum?
 40 2010-10-06 12:28:38 <UukGoblin> ArtForz has his implementation which might be more effective
 41 2010-10-06 12:29:00 <m0mchil> not sure what you are asking
 42 2010-10-06 12:29:17 <UukGoblin> m0mchil, which client are you using?
 43 2010-10-06 12:30:21 <m0mchil> patched client with getwork RPC and PyOpenCL miner
 44 2010-10-06 12:31:36 <UukGoblin> is that what ArtForz is using too?
 45 2010-10-06 12:31:54 <m0mchil> no
 46 2010-10-06 12:32:30 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: hes using his own shit
 47 2010-10-06 12:32:40 <Diablo-D3> m0mchil: have you genned coins with your shit?
 48 2010-10-06 12:32:46 <Diablo-D3> because I've yet to gen one :<
 49 2010-10-06 12:33:02 <kermit> Diablo-D3: the estimate was 1d7h right?
 50 2010-10-06 12:33:14 <m0mchil> yes, 3 blocks
 51 2010-10-06 12:33:14 <UukGoblin> I'm no expert, but a python miner might not be the most efficient solution...
 52 2010-10-06 12:33:24 <Diablo-D3> kermit: I think I've put in about 32 hours
 53 2010-10-06 12:34:00 <m0mchil> Diablo-D3 did you tried it with a pair of clients at difficulty of 1?
 54 2010-10-06 12:34:05 <UukGoblin> whoah, next difficulty is expected to drop
 55 2010-10-06 12:34:17 <Diablo-D3> m0mchil: yeah, it was doing shit
 56 2010-10-06 12:34:32 <m0mchil> one patched client and one normal
 57 2010-10-06 12:34:33 <Diablo-D3> ;calculator
 58 2010-10-06 12:34:35 <bitbot> Diablo-D3: http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php
 59 2010-10-06 12:34:55 <Diablo-D3> m0mchil: oh, and theres a possible problem with getwork
 60 2010-10-06 12:35:06 <m0mchil> go on
 61 2010-10-06 12:35:09 <Diablo-D3> if Im also genning with the client, it periodically locks the client up
 62 2010-10-06 12:35:16 <Diablo-D3> and I have to kill -9 it
 63 2010-10-06 12:35:32 <Diablo-D3> so I just leave it off :<
 64 2010-10-06 12:35:34 <m0mchil> hm, thats bad
 65 2010-10-06 12:35:47 <Diablo-D3> I mean, poclbm eats half my cpu time
 66 2010-10-06 12:36:00 <Diablo-D3> so my 3 mhash goes down to around 1
 67 2010-10-06 12:36:34 <m0mchil> whats your CPU? how many cores?
 68 2010-10-06 12:36:38 <Diablo-D3> kermit: 62 mhash says 1 day 1 hour
 69 2010-10-06 12:36:42 <Diablo-D3> m0mchil: c2d e8500
 70 2010-10-06 12:37:12 <m0mchil> how do you run bitcoin, what affinity? Hyperthreading?
 71 2010-10-06 12:37:27 <Diablo-D3> 0x3, core2s dont have ht
 72 2010-10-06 12:39:39 <m0mchil> please explain again, what do you mean by 'locks the client up'?
 73 2010-10-06 12:39:58 <m0mchil> it stops generating with one of the threads?
 74 2010-10-06 12:47:20 <Diablo-D3> it stops responding altogether
 75 2010-10-06 12:47:50 <Diablo-D3> like, sending it a getinfo json request just sits there until it times out
 76 2010-10-06 12:49:23 <m0mchil> please, do me a favour... swap first two lines of main.cpp CheckWork()
 77 2010-10-06 12:51:51 <Diablo-D3> the critical block ones?
 78 2010-10-06 12:52:12 <kermit> Diablo-D3: and how long have you been running it?
 79 2010-10-06 12:53:05 <m0mchil> yes
 80 2010-10-06 12:53:16 <Diablo-D3> kermit: ~16 hours a day, and this is the end of day 2
 81 2010-10-06 12:54:05 <kermit> 32 hours when the avg is 25.. thats not cause for concern yet
 82 2010-10-06 12:54:38 <m0mchil> his average hashrate is actually lower
 83 2010-10-06 12:54:44 <Diablo-D3> yeah my average is now around 55
 84 2010-10-06 12:54:57 <Diablo-D3> was around 52
 85 2010-10-06 12:54:59 <kermit> you realize its random, not a cumulative process, right?
 86 2010-10-06 12:55:18 <Diablo-D3> kermit: yes and do you realize how many times a day I tell people this?
 87 2010-10-06 12:55:25 <kermit> probably a lot :)
 88 2010-10-06 12:56:23 <Diablo-D3> its random, not a cumulative process.
 89 2010-10-06 12:57:37 <m0mchil> what puzzles me most are the truly random intervals between blocks... even globally
 90 2010-10-06 12:58:12 <Diablo-D3> yeah but I just want my coins :<
 91 2010-10-06 12:58:22 <bonsaikitten> m0mchil: if you plot that you'd end up with a nice poisson distribution as expected
 92 2010-10-06 12:58:35 <bonsaikitten> wow, mathematics do work! ;)
 93 2010-10-06 12:58:41 <m0mchil> :)
 94 2010-10-06 13:01:05 <Diablo-D3> m0mchil: okay, swapped them and turned gen back on
 95 2010-10-06 13:01:49 <Diablo-D3> going to bed soon, so I dunno if it'll freak out
 96 2010-10-06 13:04:48 <topace> ;bcs
 97 2010-10-06 13:04:50 <bitbot> topace: CurrentBlockCount( 83,756 blocks ) CurrentDifficulty( 1,318.6704550300 ) NextDifficultyAt( 84,672 blocks ) NextDifficultyIn( 916 blocks )
 98 2010-10-06 13:15:29 <UukGoblin> ;calculator
 99 2010-10-06 13:15:30 <bitbot> UukGoblin: http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php
100 2010-10-06 13:45:37 <Diablo-D3> m0mchil: hasnt locked up yet
101 2010-10-06 13:45:44 <Diablo-D3> Im now going to bed, night all
102 2010-10-06 15:48:40 <nightrow> hi, i would like to help test any windows version of a GPU based binary, anyone needing some testing ?
103 2010-10-06 15:58:40 <keith4> ;estimate
104 2010-10-06 15:58:42 <bitbot> keith4: LastDiff(7d 22:00:12 ago)  ExpBlocks(1140)  ActualBlocks(1115)  TrgNewDiffDate(2010/10/12 19:58:28 GMT)  EstNewDiffDate(2010/10/13 03:30:50 GMT)  EstNewDiff(1289.7522433)
105 2010-10-06 16:05:45 <nanotube> nightrow: nvidia or ati?
106 2010-10-06 16:08:47 <nightrow> nvidia, 8800gt, quite powerfull say 3 year ago
107 2010-10-06 16:10:26 <warner> ;diff
108 2010-10-06 16:10:27 <bitbot> diff is http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=difficulty
109 2010-10-06 16:10:37 <warner> I have no idea how to drive bitbot
110 2010-10-06 16:10:49 <warner> ;curdiff
111 2010-10-06 16:11:20 <lfm> ;difficulty
112 2010-10-06 16:11:22 <bitbot> difficulty is http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=difficulty
113 2010-10-06 16:11:33 <lfm> ;nr
114 2010-10-06 16:11:35 <bitbot> lfm: CurrentBlockCount( 83,773 blocks ) CurrentDifficulty( 1,318.6704550300 ) NextDifficultyAt( 84,672 blocks ) NextDifficultyIn( 899 blocks )
115 2010-10-06 16:11:37 <warner> it'd be nice if the help message offered a summary of each command, instead of merely the name
116 2010-10-06 16:11:41 <warner> ah, thanks
117 2010-10-06 16:11:45 <nanotube> ;wiki
118 2010-10-06 16:11:46 <bitbot> wiki is To see a list of aliases, factoids and how to use me (Hint: I want to be used!) please visit http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=bitbot
119 2010-10-06 16:11:49 <nanotube> warner: --^
120 2010-10-06 16:11:52 <warner> thanks!
121 2010-10-06 16:11:56 <nanotube> :)
122 2010-10-06 16:12:11 <nanotube> nightrow: there's a cuda client available somewhere on the forums....
123 2010-10-06 16:13:00 <nightrow> i was looking for one, but i don't remember fouding a binary, and not sure how to compile graphical client on windows :/
124 2010-10-06 16:13:21 <lfm> so it looks like the difficulty may actually go down
125 2010-10-06 16:13:34 <nanotube> nightrow: well stick around, someone who knows the specifics may point you to a binary client for nvidia...
126 2010-10-06 16:13:59 <nightrow> nanotube: ok thx
127 2010-10-06 16:14:17 <nanotube> lfm: yea looks like it
128 2010-10-06 16:21:07 <nightrow> how can you know what the next difficulty is going to look like ?
129 2010-10-06 16:26:16 <nanotube> ;estimate
130 2010-10-06 16:26:18 <bitbot> nanotube: LastDiff(7d 22:27:48 ago)  ExpBlocks(1142)  ActualBlocks(1120)  TrgNewDiffDate(2010/10/12 19:58:28 GMT)  EstNewDiffDate(2010/10/13 02:48:30 GMT)  EstNewDiff(1293.26699618)
131 2010-10-06 16:26:22 <nanotube> nightrow: --^ like that. :)
132 2010-10-06 16:26:51 <nanotube> basically, there's an algorithm that decides on the next difficulty depending on how fast the blocks are being produced.
133 2010-10-06 16:27:04 <nanotube> with the target goal of trying to keep an average of 1 block per 10 min
134 2010-10-06 16:27:57 <nightrow> yeah i read about that, with the output you gave it's good now :p
135 2010-10-06 16:28:25 <nanotube> :)
136 2010-10-06 16:48:08 <nathan7> :o
137 2010-10-06 17:03:37 <lfm> number of unspent generated transactions: 48908
138 2010-10-06 17:03:39 <lfm> Total number of transactions: 41858
139 2010-10-06 17:04:00 <lfm> total doesnt include generated coins
140 2010-10-06 17:37:39 <jgarzik> lfm: how many of those in year 2009, versus 2010, I wonder?
141 2010-10-06 17:42:21 <nanotube> jgarzik: same here
142 2010-10-06 18:04:42 <lfm> year: 2009, tot unspent: 26032, totnumtx: 219
143 2010-10-06 18:14:58 <lfm> 2010 isnt finished yet so we cant tell how many there will be. so far we have in 2010 83790 blocks, 22882 unspent generated and 41653 regular txn
144 2010-10-06 18:15:36 <lfm> 83790 ->51296 (or so)
145 2010-10-06 19:50:58 <duck1123> what does it mean if my block count is showing lower than what is being displayed? (ie. I show 82727)
146 2010-10-06 19:51:43 <duck1123> does it mean there's a problem with my blocks?
147 2010-10-06 19:56:45 <bitbot> 83803
148 2010-10-06 19:56:45 <kencausey> ;blocknum
149 2010-10-06 19:57:09 <kencausey> duck1123: It is still stuck at 82727?  Do you show any connections?
150 2010-10-06 19:57:22 <kencausey> duck1123: You are running a recent version 0.3.10 or later at least?
151 2010-10-06 19:57:28 <duck1123> 6 connections, and yeah, it hasn't moved
152 2010-10-06 19:57:46 <duck1123> I just grabbed 13, was running 11
153 2010-10-06 19:58:02 <kencausey> either should be fine really, regarding this anyway
154 2010-10-06 19:58:27 <duck1123> I wiped them when there was that problem in 9
155 2010-10-06 19:58:33 <kencausey> I can't say I've seen that and can't think of any ideas just now
156 2010-10-06 19:58:59 <duck1123> I also haven't generated a block since 9/1
157 2010-10-06 19:59:26 <kencausey> Well, that's not necessarily all that surprising given the current difficult
158 2010-10-06 20:00:41 <duck1123> oh well, I'll see what my other clients say when I get home
159 2010-10-06 20:01:15 <kencausey> I was going to suggest he try -checkblocks
160 2010-10-06 23:12:36 <Kiba> hello
161 2010-10-06 23:13:51 <redMBA> hey
162 2010-10-06 23:15:36 <Kiba> look like the bitcoin community has gained several new active members