1 2010-10-23 04:59:49 <appamatto> Hello all
  2 2010-10-23 05:59:53 <Netsniper> howdy
  3 2010-10-23 06:00:39 <Netsniper> i have a dumb question to ask - what happens when a transaction is sent to a client that is offline (simplified answer will suffice)
  4 2010-10-23 06:01:24 <Netsniper> does it all sync up after it comes back online?
  5 2010-10-23 06:05:46 <Insti> yes
  6 2010-10-23 06:12:04 <Insti> your question doesnt make a lot of sense tbh
  7 2010-10-23 06:12:31 <vezeena> doublec: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tAASvcrJ78
  8 2010-10-23 06:13:32 <appamatto> Netsniper, the transaction isn't really sent to the client, it's sent to a generator to be included in the block chain
  9 2010-10-23 06:13:48 <appamatto> So the addressee picks it up eventually when it gets the latest version of the chain
 10 2010-10-23 06:13:58 <Netsniper> ...which then syncs up on reconnect?
 11 2010-10-23 06:14:05 <Netsniper> yeah, ok
 12 2010-10-23 06:14:21 <appamatto> yup
 13 2010-10-23 06:14:46 <Netsniper> Insti:  like i said, it was a dumb question
 14 2010-10-23 06:14:54 <appamatto> hehe, not dumb
 15 2010-10-23 06:15:11 <appamatto> good to make sure of these things before you send your life savings :p
 16 2010-10-23 06:15:37 <Netsniper> so true :D
 17 2010-10-23 06:44:28 <lfm> ;rn
 18 2010-10-23 07:04:37 <grondilu> with the JSON-RPC API, is there a way to get a detail of each transaction for a receiving address ?  I mean, the method "listreceivedbyaddress" doesn't give any detail :  it's just a consolidated amount.  I'd like to have a list of sending addresses, and corresponding amount.  Is that possible ?
 19 2010-10-23 08:05:59 <nathan7> DU DU doom DA DA DEE
 20 2010-10-23 08:12:39 <doublec> wow, feel the bitcoin hate in the apttosid forums
 21 2010-10-23 08:12:47 <doublec> http://www.aptosid.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=219
 22 2010-10-23 08:13:07 <doublec> "If there were vendors in Austria selling/buying bitcoins I might be inclined to have it investigated by prosecutors if a case of fraud is being established. "
 23 2010-10-23 08:13:16 <doublec> "As I learned today, the case is already under investigation by US prosecutors, please everyone stop to link to this scam program. If you are involved there already, get out of it as fast as possible."
 24 2010-10-23 08:13:28 <doublec> just a sample of responses to someones request to support bitcoin donations :)
 25 2010-10-23 08:13:50 <doublec> oh, it was grondilu that asked about it
 26 2010-10-23 08:14:55 <grondilu> indeed
 27 2010-10-23 08:16:54 <Netsniper> :(
 28 2010-10-23 08:17:37 <nathan7> doublec: :o
 29 2010-10-23 08:19:12 <genjix> kind of weird question
 30 2010-10-23 08:19:21 <Netsniper> http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n97/royofca/Haters_gonna_hate.gif
 31 2010-10-23 08:19:27 <genjix> but you know in apps when the title bars underline letters
 32 2010-10-23 08:19:36 <genjix> how am I meant to access them?
 33 2010-10-23 08:19:42 <genjix> Like in Quassel (KDE)
 34 2010-10-23 08:19:53 <genjix> I have File -> _N_etworks
 35 2010-10-23 08:20:02 <genjix> how can I selection networks by keyboard?
 36 2010-10-23 08:21:23 <doublec> Alt+N
 37 2010-10-23 08:21:33 <doublec> on a windows machine
 38 2010-10-23 08:21:40 <doublec> same on Linux I think
 39 2010-10-23 08:22:04 <genjix> yep
 40 2010-10-23 08:22:05 <genjix> thanks
 41 2010-10-23 09:40:17 <sneak> hi guys
 42 2010-10-23 09:40:32 <sneak> is poclbm supposed to be taking up 100% cpu?
 43 2010-10-23 09:49:19 <ArtForz> yes
 44 2010-10-23 09:50:13 <sneak> it uses cpu for mining that is not used for feeding the cards?
 45 2010-10-23 09:50:21 <ArtForz> not sure
 46 2010-10-23 09:50:32 <sneak> well it's singlethreaded
 47 2010-10-23 09:50:36 <sneak> 100% cpu indicates bottleneck to me
 48 2010-10-23 09:50:39 <ArtForz> the ati openCL driver takes 100% of one core per GPU
 49 2010-10-23 09:50:46 <sneak> oh, that's why then
 50 2010-10-23 09:51:33 <ArtForz> with the old ATI OpenCL SDK 2.1 cpu usage for pencl GPU threads is lower
 51 2010-10-23 10:18:40 <genjix> ;bcm
 52 2010-10-23 10:48:21 <nathan7> Hmm, so with 1850 khash/s, how long will it take to generate coins?
 53 2010-10-23 10:50:24 <doublec> 57 days, 17 hours on average
 54 2010-10-23 10:50:29 <doublec> http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php
 55 2010-10-23 11:41:31 <HappiMeal> Hello, I would like know who use bitcoin ?
 56 2010-10-23 11:41:46 <HappiMeal> What can I buy whit some bitcoins ?
 57 2010-10-23 11:45:07 <doublec> you want to buy bitcoins?
 58 2010-10-23 11:45:20 <doublec> join #bitcoin-otc - people who want to trade hang out there
 59 2010-10-23 11:45:27 <doublec> read the topic for that channel for details
 60 2010-10-23 11:45:35 <doublec> or you can use the various bitcoin markets
 61 2010-10-23 11:45:52 <HappiMeal> Ok thank
 62 2010-10-23 11:45:52 <nathan7> doublec: D:
 63 2010-10-23 11:46:03 <nathan7> doublec: that's long
 64 2010-10-23 11:46:16 <doublec> what's long?
 65 2010-10-23 11:46:51 <nathan7> 63 days
 66 2010-10-23 11:46:57 <nathan7> since it went down to 1700khash
 67 2010-10-23 11:47:01 <doublec> oh right
 68 2010-10-23 11:47:05 <doublec> yeah it's a long time
 69 2010-10-23 11:47:22 <doublec> gpu mining seems to be the way to go
 70 2010-10-23 11:47:22 <nathan7> Really it should be possible to generate less than 50 bitcoins in a shorter time
 71 2010-10-23 11:47:23 <HappiMeal> doublec: I don't xant buy bitcoin but I want know what can I buy with bitcoin...
 72 2010-10-23 11:47:28 <nathan7> It is with a GPU
 73 2010-10-23 11:47:39 <nathan7> The only CUDA-enabled GPU I own
 74 2010-10-23 11:47:42 <doublec> oh, sorry HappiMeal
 75 2010-10-23 11:47:52 <doublec> I misunderstood
 76 2010-10-23 11:48:05 <nathan7> I have two intel onboard GPUs and two nvidia GPUs
 77 2010-10-23 11:48:11 <nathan7> one of the nvidia GPUs is 7 years old
 78 2010-10-23 11:48:13 <doublec> HappiMeal, http://www.bitcoin.org/trade
 79 2010-10-23 11:48:20 <nathan7> the other is generating bitcoins right now
 80 2010-10-23 11:48:41 <doublec> nathan7, if you use a pooled mining system you could generate some coins in less time
 81 2010-10-23 11:48:54 <nathan7> how?
 82 2010-10-23 11:49:18 <doublec> you connect to a pooled server and get a percentage of the coins that are generated based on the khashes you contributed to the pool
 83 2010-10-23 11:49:36 <nathan7> Nice.
 84 2010-10-23 11:49:41 <doublec> see here http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1458.0
 85 2010-10-23 11:49:41 <nathan7> Linky?
 86 2010-10-23 11:49:47 <doublec> I ran a server for a bit to try it out
 87 2010-10-23 11:50:15 <doublec> it seemed to work but I still don't have a lot of khash power and it would take to long to generate a block still
 88 2010-10-23 12:44:40 <Malouin_> Hello guys, question here. I finally made the gpu client to work on my side. It generate around 265000 khash/s. ( i7 920 oc the 3.6 with a radeon 5970 ). it has been running for 8 hours, and still no BTC in the gui. I just wanna make sure it work and I can let it run 24/24. I did the usual bitcoin -server. Do i'm on the public server?
 89 2010-10-23 12:48:53 <Zarutian> ; bcs
 90 2010-10-23 12:49:10 <Zarutian> no btcbot?!
 91 2010-10-23 12:49:16 <pankkake> Malouin_: according to http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php, it looks normal
 92 2010-10-23 12:49:55 <pankkake> anyway, I'm at about 1300 khash/s, be happy :p
 93 2010-10-23 12:50:16 <Malouin_> Thanks pankkake =)
 94 2010-10-23 12:56:40 <Kiba> hey hey hey
 95 2010-10-23 12:58:52 <ArtForz> entering "1,2" when asked for device should use both cores of 5970, or just run two instnces of poclbm one with --device=1 and one with --device=2
 96 2010-10-23 13:00:20 <ArtForz> oh, also, Crossfire and OpenCL don't mix, good luck disabling the internal crossfire on a 5970 on windows...
 97 2010-10-23 13:17:12 <Malouin_> Thanks Art
 98 2010-10-23 13:17:32 <Malouin_> Running "1,2" seem to give me the same result as 1 alone or 2 alone.
 99 2010-10-23 13:18:28 <ArtForz> hrrrm, probably need to run 2 instances then
100 2010-10-23 13:19:52 <Malouin_> you were right. Running two separate isntance give me 260 on one side, and 230 on the other
101 2010-10-23 13:20:58 <Malouin_> seem the be both stabilized at 255m
102 2010-10-23 13:21:02 <Malouin_> to be*
103 2010-10-23 13:21:12 <ArtForz> sounds about right
104 2010-10-23 14:04:57 <Teppy> dwdollar: you around?
105 2010-10-23 14:10:13 <Kiba> hello
106 2010-10-23 14:10:17 <Kiba> mtgox seem to be busy
107 2010-10-23 14:34:51 <jgarzik> busy? volume is quite low.
108 2010-10-23 14:36:26 <Kiba> well
109 2010-10-23 14:36:29 <Kiba> the guy mtgox
110 2010-10-23 14:36:34 <Kiba> my email has no response yet
111 2010-10-23 14:36:51 <Kiba> and there has not been much effort to implement withdrawal for liqpay
112 2010-10-23 14:37:40 <jgarzik> Kiba: I doubt withdrawal will be turned on, if a large portion of the balance remains locked up with PP
113 2010-10-23 14:38:05 <jgarzik> it would seem logical that one must wait until mtgox builds up a liqpay balance
114 2010-10-23 14:38:13 <Kiba> 90 days...and there's no telling if PP will just confisicate the fund
115 2010-10-23 14:39:22 <Keefe> ArtForz: what hash rate do you get now with a 5970 (and at what clock)?
116 2010-10-23 15:08:53 <UukGoblin> aha
117 2010-10-23 15:08:59 <UukGoblin> my bitcoin also setfaults in CallCPUID
118 2010-10-23 15:09:05 <UukGoblin> on FreeBSD 8.1
119 2010-10-23 15:11:48 <UukGoblin> #0  0x000000000046132c in CallCPUID (in=Variable "in" is not available.
120 2010-10-23 15:11:56 <UukGoblin> (even after adding 'volatile')
121 2010-10-23 15:22:19 <UukGoblin> sneak, was it you who was reporting that?
122 2010-10-23 15:27:15 <OneFixt> I think we'll see .17 today on MtG.
123 2010-10-23 15:41:01 <theymos> I finally wrote a "network" article on the wiki: http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?do=show&id=network . Did I miss anything?
124 2010-10-23 15:41:22 <UukGoblin> I've compiled main.cpp with -O0 instead of -O2 and it seems to not have segfaulted yet...
125 2010-10-23 15:41:59 <UukGoblin> I've added a tonne of volatiles all over CallCPUID and this Detect128BitSSE2 with no success
126 2010-10-23 15:48:10 <ArtForz> 340Mh/s/GPU @ 910MHz
127 2010-10-23 15:53:50 <samfisher> hello
128 2010-10-23 15:54:00 <samfisher> how is generating bitcoins?
129 2010-10-23 15:54:09 <samfisher> is it still profitable?
130 2010-10-23 15:54:55 <UukGoblin> yeah compiling main.cpp with -O0 works
131 2010-10-23 15:55:44 <theymos> samfisher: It depends on how much your electricity costs, and how efficient your CPU is.
132 2010-10-23 16:00:09 <soma> forget about cpu mining
133 2010-10-23 16:00:36 <soma> (unless you get electricity for free)
134 2010-10-23 16:13:08 <genjix> get a job :p thats profitable
135 2010-10-23 16:13:13 <genjix> better than mining bitcoins
136 2010-10-23 16:18:21 <samfisher> yea
137 2010-10-23 16:18:36 <samfisher> but somebody has to mine them in order to keep the flow constant
138 2010-10-23 16:19:05 <genjix> someone has to do the dirty work in society
139 2010-10-23 16:19:22 <theymos> samfisher: If no one mines them, the mining will get more easy until someone does.
140 2010-10-23 16:19:24 <genjix> picking up the trash
141 2010-10-23 16:19:31 <genjix> cleaning jobs
142 2010-10-23 16:19:34 <genjix> working the tills
143 2010-10-23 16:19:37 <genjix> mining the bitcoins
144 2010-10-23 16:20:17 <genjix> theymos: hah, that's ingenious
145 2010-10-23 16:20:36 <genjix> is that why generation is constant rate?
146 2010-10-23 16:20:52 <genjix> because it's set by the generation cost?
147 2010-10-23 16:21:03 <appamatto> yes
148 2010-10-23 16:21:09 <appamatto> it really is ingenious
149 2010-10-23 16:21:09 <genjix> nice
150 2010-10-23 16:21:19 <genjix> sexy
151 2010-10-23 16:34:48 <appamatto> It's kind of ironic that bitcoin doesn't use git for source control
152 2010-10-23 16:38:50 <nathan7> git <3
153 2010-10-23 16:40:11 <appamatto> It's easy to use git for svn projects though
154 2010-10-23 16:40:30 <Kiba> maybe satoshi is an old school researcher
155 2010-10-23 16:40:33 <genjix> git has just crushed all the opposition
156 2010-10-23 16:40:44 <bonsaikitten> lol no
157 2010-10-23 16:40:52 <genjix> lol yes
158 2010-10-23 16:41:09 <genjix> i remember the 'joys' of cvs and then svn
159 2010-10-23 16:41:20 <genjix> wait 10 secs
160 2010-10-23 16:41:30 <Kiba> svn take forever, yes
161 2010-10-23 16:41:34 <Kiba> git is like INSTANT
162 2010-10-23 16:41:39 <genjix> BAM
163 2010-10-23 16:41:44 <genjix> would u liek sandwich?
164 2010-10-23 16:41:52 <genjix> ty git
165 2010-10-23 16:44:55 <Kiba> genjix: so...developing anything?
166 2010-10-23 16:45:05 <genjix> yep a bitcoin app
167 2010-10-23 16:46:17 <Kiba> an app that use bitcoin?
168 2010-10-23 16:46:19 <genjix> just going through all the kde icons right now actually :p
169 2010-10-23 16:46:21 <genjix> yep
170 2010-10-23 16:46:22 <Kiba> you're so vague
171 2010-10-23 16:46:27 <genjix> wanna see?
172 2010-10-23 16:46:32 <Kiba> what does it do?
173 2010-10-23 16:46:46 <genjix> http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/5395/screenxr.png
174 2010-10-23 16:47:05 <genjix> set to 1080p to see in hd glory,  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tAASvcrJ78
175 2010-10-23 16:47:22 <appamatto> wow
176 2010-10-23 16:47:24 <Kiba> why not make it a web app?
177 2010-10-23 16:47:35 <appamatto> You know about betcoin, right?
178 2010-10-23 16:47:38 <genjix> web apps suck
179 2010-10-23 16:47:43 <genjix> yeah i do
180 2010-10-23 16:47:51 <Kiba> web app sucks?
181 2010-10-23 16:47:54 <appamatto> This looks awesome
182 2010-10-23 16:48:02 <Kiba> these day you can develop web app that look like desktop app
183 2010-10-23 16:48:16 <genjix> yeah but runs slow and crashes
184 2010-10-23 16:48:30 <Kiba> genjix: but chrome run fast and things
185 2010-10-23 16:48:31 <genjix> i will make a web app version though
186 2010-10-23 16:48:36 <Kiba> with canvas and the like
187 2010-10-23 16:48:53 <appamatto> genjix, no rake please :p
188 2010-10-23 16:48:58 <genjix> no rake definitely not
189 2010-10-23 16:49:06 <Kiba> how soon to release?
190 2010-10-23 16:49:15 <Kiba> ;mtgox
191 2010-10-23 16:49:18 <genjix> dont know (when its ready)
192 2010-10-23 16:49:27 <Kiba> bitbot is missing!
193 2010-10-23 16:49:28 <genjix> maybe a few months since i dont want any bugs
194 2010-10-23 16:49:31 <nathan7> sake?
195 2010-10-23 16:49:45 <Kiba> genjix: you wait too long
196 2010-10-23 16:49:54 <appamatto> is this completely new, or using some previous library?
197 2010-10-23 16:50:00 <genjix> new
198 2010-10-23 16:50:20 <appamatto> Wow
199 2010-10-23 16:50:20 <Kiba> it's bad developer practice
200 2010-10-23 16:50:27 <genjix> i am taking beta testers when im ready
201 2010-10-23 16:50:32 <genjix> if u wanna add urself to a list
202 2010-10-23 16:50:49 <genjix> but be prepared to accidentally lose bitcoins :)
203 2010-10-23 16:51:05 <Kiba> your development cycle is too long and you miss feedback opportunities
204 2010-10-23 16:51:31 <genjix> Kiba: the source code is already open
205 2010-10-23 16:51:41 <genjix> but im just not promoting it until its ready
206 2010-10-23 16:51:50 <genjix> otherwise people will see the project, try it and think it is shit
207 2010-10-23 16:51:52 <Kiba> so is mine...
208 2010-10-23 16:51:57 <genjix> then never look at it again
209 2010-10-23 16:52:08 <genjix> Kiba: you made betcoin?
210 2010-10-23 16:52:16 <Kiba> no, I am working on a MVP
211 2010-10-23 16:52:24 <genjix> aha ok cool :)
212 2010-10-23 16:52:33 <Kiba> mine is a pile of crap
213 2010-10-23 16:52:53 <Kiba> but my goal is to get the fastest feedback possible with mininum effort
214 2010-10-23 16:53:16 <genjix> what's an MVP?
215 2010-10-23 16:53:21 <Kiba> mininum viable product
216 2010-10-23 16:53:34 <genjix> for what>
217 2010-10-23 16:53:36 <genjix> ?
218 2010-10-23 16:53:46 <nathan7> moving virgin plane
219 2010-10-23 16:53:53 <Kiba> a web app that integrate TODO list with RPG elements
220 2010-10-23 16:54:02 <genjix> aha cool
221 2010-10-23 16:54:32 <Kiba> I been told by hacker and entrepeneurs that one should never spent too much polishing a minimum viable product
222 2010-10-23 16:55:24 <appamatto> Kiba, I heard about an app like that before
223 2010-10-23 16:55:32 <appamatto> you get XP for completing items on your todo list
224 2010-10-23 16:55:37 <nathan7> :D
225 2010-10-23 16:55:39 <appamatto> I think it was an iPhone app
226 2010-10-23 16:55:44 <nathan7> Achievement: read email
227 2010-10-23 16:55:46 <Kiba> EPIC WINZ
228 2010-10-23 16:55:50 <Kiba> that what iwas called
229 2010-10-23 16:56:11 <appamatto> Kiba, in your app do you get bitcoins for completing items or something? :p
230 2010-10-23 16:56:11 <nathan7> (*WITHOUT* getting a nervous breakdown or buying penis enlargement products)
231 2010-10-23 16:56:18 <Kiba> nope
232 2010-10-23 16:56:29 <Kiba> you gain experience point if you completed a task in time, but otherwise you lose points
233 2010-10-23 16:57:38 <nathan7> how is it bitcoin-related?
234 2010-10-23 16:57:51 <Kiba> you pay for it after 15 day trial
235 2010-10-23 16:57:59 <nathan7> Kiba sounds so female
236 2010-10-23 16:58:07 <Kiba> kiba is a Japanese word for fang
237 2010-10-23 16:58:11 <appamatto> Kiba means fang or something
238 2010-10-23 16:59:00 <Kiba> it's a web app that happens to accept bitcoins
239 2010-10-23 17:01:28 <appamatto> I'm working on a bitcoin collector app
240 2010-10-23 17:02:40 <appamatto> partly an app and partly extensions to the bitcoin client
241 2010-10-23 17:02:57 <appamatto> since I need to be able to send specific bitcoins
242 2010-10-23 17:03:03 <Kiba> what a bitcoin collector app?
243 2010-10-23 17:03:40 <appamatto> It's an app for buying and selling rare bitcoins
244 2010-10-23 17:03:57 <OneFixt> that's cute
245 2010-10-23 17:04:00 <appamatto> hehe
246 2010-10-23 17:04:17 <appamatto> I don't know, people like coin collecting
247 2010-10-23 17:04:28 <OneFixt> never underestimate the power of vanity
248 2010-10-23 17:04:33 <appamatto> or collecting anything that has an increasing number associated with it and is limited in supply :p
249 2010-10-23 17:04:34 <theymos> appamatto: Selecting individual coins will be very useful for anonymity.
250 2010-10-23 17:04:49 <appamatto> theymos, true
251 2010-10-23 17:06:08 <LobsterMan> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/datablog/interactive/2010/oct/23/wikileaks-iraq-deaths-map?
252 2010-10-23 17:06:38 <appamatto> I would probably pay 5 BTC for a bitcoin generated in block #1
253 2010-10-23 17:06:59 <appamatto> if not more
254 2010-10-23 17:08:01 <Netsniper> i wasnt even awaree that bitcoins had identities
255 2010-10-23 17:08:15 <appamatto> Some of them have ambiguous identities
256 2010-10-23 17:08:23 <appamatto> but some of them can be traced back to their source
257 2010-10-23 17:08:39 <ArtForzZz> all can be traced back to their original block
258 2010-10-23 17:08:40 <appamatto> It's probably an undesirable property of the system
259 2010-10-23 17:09:04 <appamatto> ArtForzZz, Transactions A-E: AB > C > DE
260 2010-10-23 17:09:14 <appamatto> D and E aren't sure if their coins came from A or B
261 2010-10-23 17:09:50 <appamatto> so some coins lose their identitiy if they are involved in complicated transactions
262 2010-10-23 17:10:12 <ArtForz> true, thats kinda ambigous
263 2010-10-23 17:10:15 <Netsniper> thats essentially what i was thinking - i have 0 of my "original" coins due to trading
264 2010-10-23 17:10:37 <appamatto> Netsniper trading is okay, it's specific kinds of trade that degrade identity
265 2010-10-23 17:10:55 <appamatto> I'd guess that some high percentage of bitcoins will retain their identity despite trading
266 2010-10-23 17:11:26 <appamatto> and the client can be changed to increase or decrease the amount of "laundering"
267 2010-10-23 17:11:58 <Malouin_> Art, can I ask what is the temp you get on your 5970 at 910MHZ ?
268 2010-10-23 17:12:41 <ArtForz> 82???C on the hottest core
269 2010-10-23 17:13:10 <appamatto> Netsniper, but my app will be able to tell you what blocks your identifiable coins came from
270 2010-10-23 17:13:11 <nathan7> hawt!
271 2010-10-23 17:13:46 <Malouin_> thanks =) do you run 2 instance ?
272 2010-10-23 17:14:07 <ArtForz> 8 instances
273 2010-10-23 17:14:27 <ArtForz> quad 5970, linux w/ cat 10.10 = fun
274 2010-10-23 17:14:30 <Malouin_> my bad, wrong question. Do you run 2 devices ?
275 2010-10-23 17:14:37 <Malouin_> haha XD I see
276 2010-10-23 17:15:07 <Malouin_> simply a monster lol
277 2010-10-23 17:15:26 <ArtForz> MSI 890FXA-GD70 board
278 2010-10-23 17:16:11 <ArtForz> staggered the cards with 2 flexible 4" PCIe extensions
279 2010-10-23 17:16:25 <Malouin_> pretty cool setup
280 2010-10-23 17:17:07 <ArtForz> well, cooling it still tricky
281 2010-10-23 17:17:15 <Malouin_> I guess
282 2010-10-23 17:18:23 <ArtForz> 2 120x38mm fans + cardboard air duct, without bottom card #1 hits >90???C
283 2010-10-23 17:18:50 <Malouin_> ouch
284 2010-10-23 17:19:12 <ArtForz> well, all cores @ 1.1625V and 910MHz ;)
285 2010-10-23 17:19:31 <Malouin_> I love your setting, haha
286 2010-10-23 17:19:40 <Malouin_> I'm on an Asus p6t6 ws Revolution, found about bitcoin recently, i'm pretty interested in it.
287 2010-10-23 17:19:58 <Malouin_> i'm happy to see the 5970 perform this well
288 2010-10-23 17:20:55 <ArtForz> yep
289 2010-10-23 17:21:25 <ArtForz> 5970 is mainly limited by VRM temps
290 2010-10-23 17:21:40 <ArtForz> even worse with accelero xtreme 5970 cooler
291 2010-10-23 17:22:06 <appamatto> How many hashes per 5970 are you getting?
292 2010-10-23 17:22:19 <ArtForz> 680MHash per card
293 2010-10-23 17:22:37 <appamatto> that's 10x my number for GTX 460
294 2010-10-23 17:22:42 <appamatto> sounds like a good way to pay for a nice GPU
295 2010-10-23 17:23:06 <ArtForz> yep, sounds about right
296 2010-10-23 17:23:44 <ArtForz> ATI cards have crazy integer performance compared to nv
297 2010-10-23 17:23:57 <Malouin_> I'm on 600Mhash for mine, didn't OC it to 910mhz yet :P
298 2010-10-23 17:24:02 <appamatto> newegg should list bitcoin "rebates" with the cards
299 2010-10-23 17:24:15 <ArtForz> stock 5770 is about 1.5x GTX480 ...
300 2010-10-23 17:24:27 <appamatto> "generates 1000 BTC per year" or something
301 2010-10-23 17:24:45 <ArtForz> and with a hacked bios 5770 easily hits 1GHz at stock voltage
302 2010-10-23 17:25:53 <Malouin_> 5970 stock with 2 hearts gave me 530mhash
303 2010-10-23 17:26:03 <Malouin_> before OC
304 2010-10-23 17:26:33 <ArtForz> yep
305 2010-10-23 17:27:19 <ArtForz> I couldnt get any of my 5970s much above 800MHz core at stock voltage
306 2010-10-23 17:28:44 <Malouin_> didn't tried yet to go beyond 800mhz with mine.
307 2010-10-23 17:29:32 <ArtForz> at 1.15Vcore first card locked up at 915MHz, lowered clock to 910, upped vcore to 1.1625V, 0 crashes
308 2010-10-23 17:30:12 <Malouin_> thanks for the number mate.
309 2010-10-23 17:30:18 <ArtForz> my best card can do >950 @ 1.1625V, but I like to have all cards at same clock
310 2010-10-23 17:31:14 <Netsniper> i just realized i have a machine sitting idle i could bring online for hashing
311 2010-10-23 17:31:28 <Malouin_> Bonus ! ;) :P
312 2010-10-23 17:32:20 <appamatto> What is the worst thing someone could do if they managed to overpower the bitcoin network?
313 2010-10-23 17:32:39 <appamatto> All I could think of was double-spending
314 2010-10-23 17:32:43 <ArtForz> double spend, monopolize generation
315 2010-10-23 17:33:13 <theymos> appamatto: http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=weaknesses#attacker_has_a_lot_of_cpu_power
316 2010-10-23 17:33:21 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: did we discuss 5870=6870 in terms of performance, but does it on less pipes, less watts, and less dollars?
317 2010-10-23 17:33:35 <ArtForz> well, not really =
318 2010-10-23 17:33:50 <Diablo-D3> 3D benchmarks basically say =
319 2010-10-23 17:33:55 <ArtForz> yes
320 2010-10-23 17:33:59 <Diablo-D3> its like, within a few percent
321 2010-10-23 17:34:02 <ArtForz> for BC mining 6870 is slightly slower than 5850
322 2010-10-23 17:34:05 <Diablo-D3> the rest can be made up with driver tweaks
323 2010-10-23 17:34:29 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: hey, in your miner, what are you using for the variable type?
324 2010-10-23 17:34:38 <ArtForz> uint1
325 2010-10-23 17:34:43 <Diablo-D3> hmm
326 2010-10-23 17:35:04 <Diablo-D3> m0 switched to uint2 and back to 1, and it was a major speed boost
327 2010-10-23 17:35:07 <ArtForz> got 10% and 30% slower with uint2 and uint4 (running out of register sapce)
328 2010-10-23 17:35:09 <Diablo-D3> but not on 5xxx hardware
329 2010-10-23 17:35:18 <Diablo-D3> on my 4xxx hardware
330 2010-10-23 17:35:26 <ArtForz> yes, 4xxx likes vector kernel better
331 2010-10-23 17:35:34 <ArtForz> saw the same thing with my 4870
332 2010-10-23 17:35:41 <Diablo-D3> had to shrink worksize though
333 2010-10-23 17:35:51 <Diablo-D3> instead of max of 256, had to run at 64
334 2010-10-23 17:36:05 <Diablo-D3> but still an faster
335 2010-10-23 17:36:10 <ArtForz> for my kernel 5xxx also likes 64 better than 256
336 2010-10-23 17:36:12 <Diablo-D3> *ran
337 2010-10-23 17:37:06 <ArtForz> 5850 = 240.8 Mhash/s, 6870 = 232.5 Mh/s theoretical
338 2010-10-23 17:38:21 <appamatto> theymos, thanks.  I didn't think that was a big problem
339 2010-10-23 17:38:34 <ArtForz> I think if you account for OC headroom, 5970 is best value
340 2010-10-23 17:38:43 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: thats about equal in my book
341 2010-10-23 17:38:46 <Diablo-D3> whats 8 mhash
342 2010-10-23 17:38:51 <ArtForz> not much
343 2010-10-23 17:38:57 <Diablo-D3> exactly
344 2010-10-23 17:39:03 <Diablo-D3> if AMD says =, I'll let them have it
345 2010-10-23 17:39:13 <ArtForz> but I suspect 5850 OCs a lot better than 6870
346 2010-10-23 17:39:25 <Diablo-D3> wait
347 2010-10-23 17:39:26 <Diablo-D3> 5850?
348 2010-10-23 17:39:27 <Diablo-D3> rutrow
349 2010-10-23 17:39:31 <Diablo-D3> whats 5870 do?
350 2010-10-23 17:39:35 <ArtForz> 313.7
351 2010-10-23 17:39:43 <Diablo-D3> thaaaaats a little bad
352 2010-10-23 17:39:49 <Diablo-D3> then again
353 2010-10-23 17:39:55 <Diablo-D3> 6870 is cheaper than a 5870
354 2010-10-23 17:40:09 <ArtForz> 68xx doesn't seem to have software-controllable voltage regs
355 2010-10-23 17:40:24 <Diablo-D3> heh, it'd be nice if they have it working correctly automatically
356 2010-10-23 17:41:01 <ArtForz> take 5850, flash hacked bios with higher Vcore and increased core clock limit
357 2010-10-23 17:41:22 <Diablo-D3> yeah, but I'd take a 6870 because of the 3D performance boost
358 2010-10-23 17:41:26 <ArtForz> and I'm pretty sure even a 5850 can hit >850 ;)
359 2010-10-23 17:41:32 <Diablo-D3> 5850 prices would have to REALLY drop
360 2010-10-23 17:41:44 <ArtForz> well, I suspect they will
361 2010-10-23 17:42:00 <ArtForz> 5830 and 5850 are pretty much obsoleted by 6850/70
362 2010-10-23 17:42:12 <Diablo-D3> yup
363 2010-10-23 17:42:14 <Diablo-D3> now
364 2010-10-23 17:42:16 <Diablo-D3> the interesting thing is
365 2010-10-23 17:42:19 <ArtForz> for games, 6870 is nearly == 5870
366 2010-10-23 17:42:19 <Diablo-D3> how will 69xx fair
367 2010-10-23 17:42:28 <Malouin_> what about your fan speed art, should be around 30-35% ?
368 2010-10-23 17:42:40 <Diablo-D3> oh thats another thing
369 2010-10-23 17:42:47 <Diablo-D3> apparently 6xxx ref coolers are less shit
370 2010-10-23 17:42:52 <ArtForz> I have fan speed manually set to 70-80%
371 2010-10-23 17:43:21 <ArtForz> I think 6870 got the vapor chamber cooler from 5870?
372 2010-10-23 17:44:23 <Diablo-D3> dunno, but apparently 6870's fan is quieter than 5870s, more so than merely less watts would tell you
373 2010-10-23 17:44:37 <ArtForz> well, a coller designed for a 190W card on a 150W card ...
374 2010-10-23 17:45:09 <ArtForz> afair in reviews, even w/ furmark fan never went >40%
375 2010-10-23 17:45:28 <Diablo-D3> yeah and furmark is extra rape
376 2010-10-23 17:45:37 <ArtForz> about the same as bitcoin mining
377 2010-10-23 17:47:17 <ArtForz> lots of small shaders running 100% from cache = constant max core usage
378 2010-10-23 17:50:35 <ArtForz> I hope 59xx will have 4D shaders
379 2010-10-23 17:50:41 <Diablo-D3> why?
380 2010-10-23 17:50:54 <ArtForz> way easier to actually use all of em
381 2010-10-23 17:51:53 <ArtForz> keeping all 5 units busy with a 128 bit external data path is not exactly easy
382 2010-10-23 17:52:48 <ArtForz> err... 69xx
383 2010-10-23 17:53:36 <Diablo-D3> heh, I didnt even see the typo
384 2010-10-23 17:54:20 <Diablo-D3> next month, right?
385 2010-10-23 17:55:06 <ArtForz> yup, probably 6950 and 6970
386 2010-10-23 17:55:17 <Keefe> at 840 clock, without changing voltage, my 5970 does 588 mhps. stock fan set to 80%, no helper fan. temps arount 84 C, but i don't know the ambient temp
387 2010-10-23 17:55:39 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: Im still interested in that antilles beast though
388 2010-10-23 17:55:44 <ArtForz> yep
389 2010-10-23 17:55:54 <ArtForz> afair january for that one
390 2010-10-23 17:57:21 <Keefe> actually, i have a 5770 sitting next to it, and its exhaust partly feeds into the 5970's fan intake, so it should run cooler on its own
391 2010-10-23 17:57:41 <Diablo-D3> Keefe: you mean the 5770 is feeding the 5970 hot air?
392 2010-10-23 17:57:49 <Keefe> yes
393 2010-10-23 17:58:02 <Diablo-D3> time to move cards around >_>
394 2010-10-23 17:58:24 <Keefe> since the 5770 card is shorter, and my particular card exhausts both front and back
395 2010-10-23 17:58:53 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: Im still currently up to $80 for my new card fund
396 2010-10-23 17:58:57 <Diablo-D3> so I have a ways to go
397 2010-10-23 17:59:17 <ArtForz> shouldnt make too much of a difference
398 2010-10-23 17:59:17 <Keefe> yes, i probably should have put them in the other order. but i had already cut a hole in the case lined up with the 5770's fan
399 2010-10-23 17:59:40 <Keefe> unless i lose the case, i'd need to cut another hole for the 5970 fan
400 2010-10-23 17:59:46 <Diablo-D3> Keefe: heh
401 2010-10-23 17:59:56 <ArtForz> just have a decent case fan in front blow in the general direction of the cards
402 2010-10-23 18:00:05 <Keefe> the second pcie slot is right up against the case bottom
403 2010-10-23 18:00:11 <ArtForz> eww
404 2010-10-23 18:00:25 <Diablo-D3> eww
405 2010-10-23 18:00:25 <Keefe> well, one slot away, but a double wide card sits right up against the bottom
406 2010-10-23 18:00:54 <Diablo-D3> lets see here
407 2010-10-23 18:01:10 <Diablo-D3> 4850 = 1000 gflops, 110 watts
408 2010-10-23 18:01:35 <Keefe> i'd do more with it if i had physical access to it. but i'm out of town for a couple months, with only remote access to it back home
409 2010-10-23 18:01:38 <Teppy> I'm thinking Tuesday afternoon for the next Dragon's Tale play session - gonna try to have the next major skill-based game done, which is Beetle Racing.
410 2010-10-23 18:01:42 <Diablo-D3> 6850 = 1488 gflops, 127 watts
411 2010-10-23 18:02:06 <Diablo-D3> plus it performs like a billion times faster on games, and doesnt fuck over the miner so badly
412 2010-10-23 18:02:16 <Keefe> ArtForz: in case you didn't see my pm's, thanks for the pragma tip :)
413 2010-10-23 18:02:22 <Diablo-D3> and its $179