1 2010-11-15 19:06:07 <MT`AwAy> 0.44trx/sec
  2 2010-11-15 19:06:41 <MT`AwAy> ok, I guess it should be about enough
  3 2010-11-15 19:07:06 <ArtForz> nope, doesn't phase my miner the slightest anymore
  4 2010-11-15 19:07:24 <MT`AwAy> anyway I just stopped flood
  5 2010-11-15 19:07:38 <ArtForz> btw, you should be able to cause the same thing with transactions with not enough fees
  6 2010-11-15 19:07:50 <ArtForz> = microcent spam
  7 2010-11-15 19:08:08 <MT`AwAy> yep, but the goal here was just to see what happens with a "slight" level of busy
  8 2010-11-15 19:08:23 <ArtForz> over here, not much anymore
  9 2010-11-15 19:08:24 <MT`AwAy> if bitcoin becomes more popular, 0.44trx/sec shouldn't be that strange
 10 2010-11-15 19:08:30 <ArtForz> yea
 11 2010-11-15 19:09:00 <ArtForz> and todays lesson, why lots of disk access inside a global lock is a bad idea
 12 2010-11-15 19:09:40 <MT`AwAy> hehe
 13 2010-11-15 19:09:58 <MT`AwAy> http://theymos.ath.cx:64150/bbe/ <- block 82048 has been generated
 14 2010-11-15 19:10:48 <theymos> ArtForz: Will you submit your fix to Satoshi? I suppose if it only affects big miners you could keep it private...
 15 2010-11-15 19:11:14 <ArtForz> the problem is I don't think it's easily portable to ... welll... anything
 16 2010-11-15 19:11:36 <ArtForz> my miner had the build-new-txlist stuff inside a function already
 17 2010-11-15 19:11:45 <MT`AwAy> well at least we should post infos about the data we collected so far
 18 2010-11-15 19:11:51 <ArtForz> so putting that in its own thread and using a workqueue wasnt too hard
 19 2010-11-15 19:14:16 <ArtForz> honestly I think the tx-selection code should be restructured
 20 2010-11-15 19:14:39 <ArtForz> = crapload of duplicated work
 21 2010-11-15 19:16:06 <appamatto> will GPU generation be merged into the main repository?
 22 2010-11-15 19:16:26 <MT`AwAy> appamatto: maybe getwork will at best
 23 2010-11-15 19:18:45 <MT`AwAy> looks like I can flood harder with more cpu power
 24 2010-11-15 19:18:56 <appamatto> what is getwork?
 25 2010-11-15 19:19:16 <MT`AwAy> appamatto: a rpc function used by gpu miners to get work to do
 26 2010-11-15 19:19:41 <ArtForz> I think getwork miners are affected even worse by this
 27 2010-11-15 19:19:42 <appamatto> is that different from the miner pool?
 28 2010-11-15 19:20:08 <MT`AwAy> ArtForz: on my system, getinfo was affected :D
 29 2010-11-15 19:20:27 <MT`AwAy> took 2~3 secs to getinfo
 30 2010-11-15 19:20:34 <ArtForz> I *think* getwork builds the tx tree for EVERY call
 31 2010-11-15 19:21:25 <MT`AwAy> :D
 32 2010-11-15 19:22:07 <MT`AwAy> btw I'm probably going to build a thing similar to theymos' bbe to build a few things around it :)
 33 2010-11-15 19:22:40 <MT`AwAy> (basically, a block indexer)
 34 2010-11-15 19:25:46 <MT`AwAy> just have to recompile bitcoin with USE=getblock
 35 2010-11-15 19:25:51 <libertaar> Can someone tell me about mtgox payout problems? Are they a fractional reserve bank? :-)
 36 2010-11-15 19:31:20 <MT`AwAy> mh
 37 2010-11-15 19:31:29 <MT`AwAy> 15 minutes without a block :o
 38 2010-11-15 19:33:09 <ArtForz> we'll have to wait a bit to see what happens
 39 2010-11-15 19:33:51 <ArtForz> btw, my miner now shouldnt be dropping in hashrate at all ;)
 40 2010-11-15 19:34:23 <brocktice> OH
 41 2010-11-15 19:34:34 <brocktice> is this why my GPU usage started dropping earlier today?
 42 2010-11-15 19:34:41 <ArtForz> possibly
 43 2010-11-15 19:34:42 <MT`AwAy> brocktice: likely
 44 2010-11-15 19:34:43 <brocktice> It startd slowly tanking, dropping 1% at a time.
 45 2010-11-15 19:34:48 <brocktice> I thought something was wrong with my system.
 46 2010-11-15 19:35:01 <brocktice> Probably couldn't getwork fast enough
 47 2010-11-15 19:35:02 <MT`AwAy> brocktice: I tried to "flood" bitcoin with ~0.44trx/sec
 48 2010-11-15 19:35:18 <MT`AwAy> ah
 49 2010-11-15 19:35:19 <MT`AwAy> block
 50 2010-11-15 19:35:34 <ArtForz> it it can't handle that, it's broken
 51 2010-11-15 19:35:42 <brocktice> ArtForz: yeah well
 52 2010-11-15 19:35:50 <brocktice> I'm still trying to wrap my head around the code
 53 2010-11-15 19:36:15 <brocktice> I'm still using m0's
 54 2010-11-15 19:36:19 <brocktice> with a slight modification
 55 2010-11-15 19:39:41 <MT`AwAy> ok, my "putting together all the blocks" operation is done
 56 2010-11-15 19:43:56 <libertaar> Q: Can someone tell me about mtgox payout problems? Are they a fractional reserve bank? :-)
 57 2010-11-15 19:44:12 <ArtForz> what payout problem?
 58 2010-11-15 19:45:27 <libertaar> Someone earlier said on this channel that the late boom in the exchange rate was caused by mtgox failure to pay out or something.. have to search back for that.
 59 2010-11-15 19:45:37 <ArtForz> not really
 60 2010-11-15 19:45:59 <ArtForz> mtgox payouts were disabled for a while after his PP account got locked
 61 2010-11-15 19:46:12 <libertaar> But does mtgox ever have a bank holiday? ;-)
 62 2010-11-15 19:46:16 <ArtForz> but payout via LR$ has been working for quite a while now
 63 2010-11-15 19:46:54 <libertaar> when did that happen.... the PP account thing
 64 2010-11-15 19:47:02 <ArtForz> check the forum
 65 2010-11-15 19:47:33 <libertaar> since I want euros it is probably better to do otc or deal with bitcoinexchange...
 66 2010-11-15 19:47:53 <ArtForz> possibly
 67 2010-11-15 19:49:00 <ArtForz> LR$ payouts have been possible for a week
 68 2010-11-15 19:49:01 <libertaar> I would prefer to not have to do MtGox->LR->PP
 69 2010-11-15 19:49:12 <ArtForz> why PP?
 70 2010-11-15 19:49:17 <libertaar> paypal
 71 2010-11-15 19:49:39 <ArtForz> yeah, why?
 72 2010-11-15 19:49:39 <libertaar> otherwise I have to do a bankwire from US to europe
 73 2010-11-15 19:49:46 <ArtForz> find a cheap exchanger doing LR$ -> EUR bank wire
 74 2010-11-15 19:50:13 <libertaar> How does LR work then?
 75 2010-11-15 19:50:21 <libertaar> Will check the site...
 76 2010-11-15 19:55:38 <libertaar> ArtForz: Do you mean find an otc LR$->EUR exchanger? Then I have to deal with the whole reputation system etc..
 77 2010-11-15 19:56:23 <ArtForz> just any old online exchanger doing LR$->eurland EUR wire
 78 2010-11-15 19:57:22 <ArtForz> ecardone for example, currenly charges 2.4% fee for LR$->EUR bank wire
 79 2010-11-15 19:59:57 <libertaar> he is not in here http://trust.bitcoin-otc.com/viewratings.php :-)
 80 2010-11-15 20:00:11 <ArtForz> huh?
 81 2010-11-15 20:01:23 <ArtForz> ecardone.com, they're a pretty big commercial exchanger
 82 2010-11-15 20:02:24 <libertaar> doesn'r LR do bankwires themselves... or are they just expensive?
 83 2010-11-15 20:02:30 <ArtForz> nope
 84 2010-11-15 20:02:56 <ArtForz> afaik LR doesnt deal with anyone except accepted commercial exchangers directly
 85 2010-11-15 20:03:41 <libertaar> So I do: MG->LR->Ecardone->bankwire
 86 2010-11-15 20:03:52 <MT`AwAy> libertaar: for example
 87 2010-11-15 20:03:56 <ArtForz> thats an option
 88 2010-11-15 20:04:19 <MT`AwAy> libertaar: you could also try to find someone who want to buy LRUSD with PP and take the risk
 89 2010-11-15 20:04:44 <ArtForz> imo a bit risky, considering PP is chargebackable and all
 90 2010-11-15 20:04:53 <MT`AwAy> yep
 91 2010-11-15 20:05:07 <MT`AwAy> but might be cheaper than wire transfer for amounts <1000$
 92 2010-11-15 20:06:30 <ArtForz> thats the thing, for EUR wires inside eurland ecardone only charges the 2.4% fee (min 3.5USD)
 93 2010-11-15 20:06:53 <MT`AwAy> for me who is in Japan, it's more difficult
 94 2010-11-15 20:07:08 <MT`AwAy> I computed that wire transfer is more interesting than paypal in most cast starting ~1025$
 95 2010-11-15 20:07:18 <ArtForz> yeah
 96 2010-11-15 20:07:35 <ArtForz> around here wire transfer would be only an option with a account in USD
 97 2010-11-15 20:07:35 <MT`AwAy> under 1025$, wire fees are higher than paypal fees
 98 2010-11-15 20:07:56 <ArtForz> otherwise conversion fees are just crazy
 99 2010-11-15 20:08:38 <MT`AwAy> well, my bank takes no conversion fees, however they take a fix 2500??? fee (except if the sending bank says it'll cover the fee)
100 2010-11-15 20:09:03 <MT`AwAy> and the sending bank will usually take fees too when sending to Japan
101 2010-11-15 20:09:13 <omglolbbq> hmm... question, if it gets harder and harder to generate blocks, wont it take realy realy long to transfer bitcoins?
102 2010-11-15 20:09:36 <ArtForz> around here it's ~$25 + 7% conversion fee (AND they have crappy conversion rates)
103 2010-11-15 20:09:41 <MT`AwAy> omglolbbq: it might come to that if people running GPU suddently stop
104 2010-11-15 20:09:52 <MT`AwAy> ArtForz: "here" is ?
105 2010-11-15 20:09:59 <ArtForz> .de
106 2010-11-15 20:10:02 <MT`AwAy> 'k
107 2010-11-15 20:10:03 <omglolbbq> well wont that happen anyway over time?
108 2010-11-15 20:10:17 <MT`AwAy> omglolbbq: if they stop, after ~2000 blocks difficulty is ajusted
109 2010-11-15 20:10:21 <MT`AwAy> and things are back to normal
110 2010-11-15 20:10:28 <ArtForz> yep, difficulty adjusts to get to 10 min/block every 2016 blocks
111 2010-11-15 20:10:50 <omglolbbq> ahh i didnt know it was dynamic
112 2010-11-15 20:10:56 <MT`AwAy> might be a good idea to ajust difficulty after 2016 blocks or one week, whichever comes first
113 2010-11-15 20:11:09 <MT`AwAy> (just in case)
114 2010-11-15 20:11:21 <omglolbbq> does that automagicaly happen or does it require a program update?
115 2010-11-15 20:11:28 <ArtForz> it's automatic
116 2010-11-15 20:11:29 <MT`AwAy> omglolbbq: automagically :)
117 2010-11-15 20:11:35 <ArtForz> imo a fixed-time interval is not really needed
118 2010-11-15 20:11:48 <ArtForz> also, it'd be hard to keep the clients in sync
119 2010-11-15 20:12:02 <MT`AwAy> ArtForz: if someone brings super power for 1~2 weeks then suddently stop, it might take ages for difficulty to adapt again
120 2010-11-15 20:12:21 <MT`AwAy> fixed time could be easily implemented based on timestamp of previous block
121 2010-11-15 20:12:25 <MT`AwAy> (so already synced)
122 2010-11-15 20:12:36 <ArtForz> well, just check what happened on testnet
123 2010-11-15 20:13:28 <MT`AwAy> "Lead your boner to leadership" ... spam is trying to be creative, but that's just weird
124 2010-11-15 20:15:32 <appamatto> MT, are you in Japan?
125 2010-11-15 20:17:18 <libertaar> Is anybody thinking of starting an exchange like mtgox in euroland?
126 2010-11-15 20:19:17 <omglolbbq> how so tcatm
127 2010-11-15 20:19:23 <bryogenic> anyone else just get into bitcoin because of the EFF accepting BTC as donations (I am)
128 2010-11-15 20:20:11 <tcatm> omglolbbq: many regulations and i'm not sure which of them apply to bitcoins
129 2010-11-15 20:23:11 <libertaar> Are there any reserve and captial requirements on this type of exchanges?
130 2010-11-15 20:23:37 <tcatm> not really, but you'll need to start a company
131 2010-11-15 20:23:53 <appamatto> If there were a huge number of blocks, would they be stored in a DHT or some other distributed structure?
132 2010-11-15 20:23:54 <MT`AwAy> appamatto: yes, I am
133 2010-11-15 20:24:07 <appamatto> MT, cool.  I used to live in Nagano-ken
134 2010-11-15 20:24:22 <MT`AwAy> appamatto: I'm in suginami-ku :)
135 2010-11-15 20:24:32 <appamatto> Tokyo?
136 2010-11-15 20:24:36 <appamatto> Only been there a few times
137 2010-11-15 20:24:43 <appamatto> mostly to see comedy :p
138 2010-11-15 20:24:43 <libertaar> tcatm: Is mtgox is a company?
139 2010-11-15 20:24:53 <tcatm> libertaar: i don't know
140 2010-11-15 20:25:01 <MT`AwAy> appamatto: yes, Tokyo :)
141 2010-11-15 20:25:25 <tcatm> laws are different in the USA
142 2010-11-15 20:25:50 <appamatto> libertaar, if I had to guess, I would think that he keeps a full reserve
143 2010-11-15 20:26:07 <MT`AwAy> libertaar: domain mtgox.com is owned by "Code Collective"
144 2010-11-15 20:26:08 <appamatto> as far as I know the payout problems have been issues with paypal
145 2010-11-15 20:30:24 <libertaar> MT: you mean http://www.thecodecollective.com ?
146 2010-11-15 20:31:26 <MT`AwAy> libertaar: no, the one you have there is in UK
147 2010-11-15 20:32:46 <MT`AwAy> libertaar: the footer says "??? 2010 Pongamia Cultivation Institute, SA" which gives more accurate results
148 2010-11-15 20:35:42 <libertaar> the reason why fractional reserve banking is possible in real space is that the banking business is a government protected monopoly... and not anybody can enter the busines. So bad bahavior does not result in loss of customers...
149 2010-11-15 20:39:22 <anarchyx> my client crashed a couple hours ago
150 2010-11-15 20:39:35 <anarchyx> or maybe even not that many hours ago
151 2010-11-15 20:40:08 <gavinandresen> I just commited svn r180: Update websites used for GetMyExternalIP
152 2010-11-15 20:41:36 <MT`AwAy> gavinandresen: http://wimip.fr/?t
153 2010-11-15 20:45:00 <gavinandresen> MT`AwAy: who runs wimip.fr?
154 2010-11-15 20:45:10 <MT`AwAy> gavinandresen: me
155 2010-11-15 20:45:22 <MT`AwAy> been running it for a few years now
156 2010-11-15 20:45:24 <MT`AwAy> and no plans to stop
157 2010-11-15 20:45:34 <gavinandresen> Cool!
158 2010-11-15 20:45:37 <MT`AwAy> (the ?t flag allows to request limited output)
159 2010-11-15 20:46:22 <appamatto> can transactions be canceled after issuing but before ending up in the block chain?
160 2010-11-15 20:46:36 <appamatto> (in the current implementation)
161 2010-11-15 20:46:44 <MT`AwAy> I don't think so
162 2010-11-15 20:46:46 <gavinandresen> appamatto: No
163 2010-11-15 20:46:58 <MT`AwAy> you sent your signed packet to peers, they'll put it in their block as soon as they get the hash right
164 2010-11-15 20:47:20 <MT`AwAy> if you were to revoke your transaction, a peer could include it anyway later just to annoy you
165 2010-11-15 20:48:35 <appamatto> yeah, that's what I thought
166 2010-11-15 20:49:25 <appamatto> but you could "double spend" to your own address as a cancel I guess
167 2010-11-15 20:49:44 <appamatto> since it would destroy the input block of the previous send, unless that send went through first
168 2010-11-15 20:49:54 <MT`AwAy> appamatto: your double spend to yourself would be rejected
169 2010-11-15 20:50:10 <appamatto> I mean, before it goes into the block chain
170 2010-11-15 20:50:57 <appamatto> Like, you could attempt to consume the input transaction of your first transaction before it goes through
171 2010-11-15 20:52:04 <appamatto> Anyway, it would leave a lot up to chance
172 2010-11-15 20:52:14 <appamatto> basically, you can't revoke transaction requests
173 2010-11-15 20:52:47 <MT`AwAy> chances is the first transaction will be the only one getting in the block chain anyway
174 2010-11-15 20:52:55 <appamatto> yup
175 2010-11-15 20:52:57 <MT`AwAy> generating peers won't let you put something else
176 2010-11-15 20:53:24 <appamatto> but that part isn't really part of the spec I guess
177 2010-11-15 20:53:56 <MT`AwAy> the spec says peers receive transactiosn to be included in the next blocks, and are to reject double spendings
178 2010-11-15 20:54:14 <appamatto> oh okay
179 2010-11-15 20:54:21 <appamatto> then it is in the spec :p
180 2010-11-15 20:54:24 <MT`AwAy> so, your first transaction will be queued for next block until a peer gets the hash right, and the "self spend" which comes later will be rejected even if the block isn't  generated yet
181 2010-11-15 20:54:39 <MT`AwAy> well, at least that's how I understand the whole thing
182 2010-11-15 20:54:40 <appamatto> unless you send them to two different peers
183 2010-11-15 20:54:54 <MT`AwAy> appamatto: those two peers will usually communicate between them
184 2010-11-15 20:55:12 <MT`AwAy> sending a transaction to only a few peers would only result in your transaction not being included in next block
185 2010-11-15 20:55:22 <appamatto> well anyway, there's a bit of a race, which doesn't really have any bad consequences
186 2010-11-15 20:55:54 <MT`AwAy> you could try to send two transactions on the same source to two parts of the network and see which one wins
187 2010-11-15 20:56:03 <appamatto> yeah
188 2010-11-15 20:56:12 <appamatto> but it wouldn't be beneficial to you
189 2010-11-15 20:56:14 <MT`AwAy> half the nodes will have rejected one, half the nodes will reject the second one, and in the end whichever generates the hash first wins
190 2010-11-15 20:56:19 <appamatto> right
191 2010-11-15 20:56:28 <appamatto> A very slow random number generator
192 2010-11-15 21:04:13 <appamatto> Are there limitations to the size of the nonce?
193 2010-11-15 21:04:46 <theymos> appamatto: 32 bytes. But when it overflows the generation transaction is modified.
194 2010-11-15 21:05:06 <theymos> See http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=block_hashing_algorithm
195 2010-11-15 21:05:10 <appamatto> I see
196 2010-11-15 21:07:05 <appamatto> So clever
197 2010-11-15 21:08:19 <theymos> MT`AwAy: What kind of BBE-like thing are you going to do?
198 2010-11-15 21:08:55 <MT`AwAy> theymos: well first I'm going to collect/index the blocks data, then I'm thinking of a few features that can only exist with bitcoins :)
199 2010-11-15 21:09:25 <MT`AwAy> for example make a third-party donation monitoring system that displays total amount received on a given bitcoin address ("donations received so far")
200 2010-11-15 21:10:15 <theymos> Cool. Make sure you use the latest version of getblock; old versions give bad data in like one in 200 blocks.
201 2010-11-15 21:10:24 <gavinandresen> MT'AwAy: my monitorreceived patch might come in handy for that
202 2010-11-15 21:10:26 <MT`AwAy> theymos: I used the one from git
203 2010-11-15 21:10:45 <MT`AwAy> and put it in my ebuild
204 2010-11-15 21:10:46 <MT`AwAy> :)
205 2010-11-15 21:13:07 <appamatto> what do you guys think about sha3?
206 2010-11-15 21:13:23 <appamatto> CubeHash looks interesting
207 2010-11-15 21:13:26 <MT`AwAy> theymos: anyway the more people are analyzing blocks the better
208 2010-11-15 21:13:37 <MT`AwAy> (like the "strange" transactions)
209 2010-11-15 21:14:40 <theymos> MT`AwAy: Yes. Even though the "latest strange transactions" section is currently not interesting, it seems important to make it very visible.
210 2010-11-15 21:17:06 <theymos> It's hard to design database tables and queries that can efficiently access all 180,000 outputs, 210,000 inputs, 145,000 keys, and 146,000 transactions. Most of my work on BBE was spent with that.
211 2010-11-15 21:18:09 <appamatto> What is BBE, by the way?
212 2010-11-15 21:18:18 <theymos> http://theymos.ath.cx:64150/bbe/
213 2010-11-15 21:18:24 <appamatto> ah, gotcha
214 2010-11-15 21:18:34 <appamatto> Just didn't catch the acronym
215 2010-11-15 21:18:36 <MT`AwAy> theymos: I think it can be fun :D
216 2010-11-15 21:18:58 <appamatto> Did you guys ever figure out the strange transaction?
217 2010-11-15 21:19:08 <MT`AwAy> theymos: btw my recent flood must have not helped
218 2010-11-15 21:19:11 <appamatto> Should we fork a new block chain at that point? :p
219 2010-11-15 21:20:57 <theymos> The incident that caused the strange transactions is listed here (CHECKSIG abuse): http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=incidents
220 2010-11-15 21:23:34 <MT`AwAy> mh
221 2010-11-15 21:35:29 <tcatm> which timezone does bcm use?
222 2010-11-15 21:35:37 <theymos> US Central.
223 2010-11-15 21:40:10 <nathan7> WHAT YOU SAY?
224 2010-11-15 21:45:18 <lfm> someone seems to be spewing bitcent txn atm
225 2010-11-15 21:45:49 <ArtForz> yup
226 2010-11-15 21:46:31 <ArtForz> my miner seems to keep chugging along at 5.9Gh/s avg and with one core constantly at 100%
227 2010-11-15 21:50:45 <brucewagner> hi people   :)
228 2010-11-15 21:50:55 <lfm> hi
229 2010-11-15 21:57:10 <lfm> 213 transactions in block
230 2010-11-15 21:59:46 <ArtForz> yep
231 2010-11-15 21:59:58 <ArtForz> my miner seems to hold up for now
232 2010-11-15 22:00:32 <ArtForz> currently working on caching the transactions so each miner doesn't have to re-select them
233 2010-11-15 22:06:56 <yebyen> hmm
234 2010-11-15 22:07:06 <yebyen> bitcoin 0.3.15
235 2010-11-15 22:07:10 <yebyen> topic is out of date
236 2010-11-15 22:07:26 <yebyen> there is a testnet flag now :D
237 2010-11-15 22:07:28 <yebyen> that's neat as hell
238 2010-11-15 22:07:36 <yebyen> i don't have to maintain my own source tree
239 2010-11-15 22:07:37 <yebyen> lol
240 2010-11-15 22:08:50 <omglolbbq> sooo, what happens if the coin limit is reached, no more transactions possible?
241 2010-11-15 22:09:08 <ArtForz> huh?
242 2010-11-15 22:09:17 <omglolbbq> when we have 21mil coins
243 2010-11-15 22:09:47 <ArtForz> 1. that'll happen in about 150 years
244 2010-11-15 22:10:03 <jgarzik> omglolbbq: tx fees keep network going
245 2010-11-15 22:10:04 <ArtForz> 2. TX fees will provide the incentive to keep mining
246 2010-11-15 22:10:46 <omglolbbq> so in 150 years the system will be useless?
247 2010-11-15 22:10:58 <lfm> omglolbbq, transactions still possible, just zero reward. It will only take some 30 years for the reward to become smaller than one bitcent
248 2010-11-15 22:11:24 <jgarzik> omglolbbq: do you know what TX fees are?
249 2010-11-15 22:11:28 <lfm> omglolbbq, not strictly zero reward, there is still the fees possible for rewards
250 2010-11-15 22:11:31 <ArtForz> okay... let's see if this works better
251 2010-11-15 22:12:25 <omglolbbq> but if there arent any more blocks being generated... i tought the transactions were in a neww block
252 2010-11-15 22:12:33 <ArtForz> there will still be blocks generated
253 2010-11-15 22:12:45 <lfm> omglolbbq, the blocks can still be generated, thats not a problem
254 2010-11-15 22:13:03 <omglolbbq> i see
255 2010-11-15 22:13:06 <ArtForz> they just wont generate coins anymore
256 2010-11-15 22:13:10 <omglolbbq> but those blocks are of 0 value
257 2010-11-15 22:13:12 <omglolbbq> ah
258 2010-11-15 22:13:20 <ArtForz> TX fees are still awarded
259 2010-11-15 22:13:32 <yebyen> really?
260 2010-11-15 22:13:44 <lfm> omglolbbq, maybe zero value, maybe have some voluntary fees from transactions
261 2010-11-15 22:14:24 <ArtForz> I doubt that at that point fees will still be optional
262 2010-11-15 22:14:47 <ArtForz> but who knows, it's WAY into the future
263 2010-11-15 22:14:51 <omglolbbq> is there an actual plan for making bitcoin more popular ? like deals with corporations or anything?
264 2010-11-15 22:14:57 <lfm> ArtForz, I suspect there would still be some altruistic people willing to accept free txn
265 2010-11-15 22:15:20 <lfm> omglolbbq, go ahead, no one could stop you
266 2010-11-15 22:15:20 <theymos> They're always "optional". Your transactions just might not work.
267 2010-11-15 22:15:58 <ArtForz> hehehe, true
268 2010-11-15 22:16:11 <omglolbbq> well i told many friends and family about bitcoin, they are all like. 'lol that will never work or be outlawed'
269 2010-11-15 22:16:19 <omglolbbq> they just laugh at it
270 2010-11-15 22:16:21 <ArtForz> "a same if anything would happen to that nice transaction"
271 2010-11-15 22:16:30 <theymos> lol
272 2010-11-15 22:16:37 <ArtForz> ;)
273 2010-11-15 22:16:47 <ArtForz> j/k of course
274 2010-11-15 22:17:03 <lfm> omglolbbq, ya, I have had that experience too
275 2010-11-15 22:17:16 <ArtForz> though something like a miner oligopoly would be imaginable
276 2010-11-15 22:17:31 <omglolbbq> 2 are using it, but only to generate coins and cash out
277 2010-11-15 22:18:03 <yebyen> yeah sure
278 2010-11-15 22:18:08 <ArtForz> awww
279 2010-11-15 22:18:12 <yebyen> there will be so much computational power that people will federate,
280 2010-11-15 22:18:18 <ArtForz> whoever was spamming TX stopped :/
281 2010-11-15 22:18:22 <lfm> omglolbbq, yup, kinda amazing that people can even do that much, it means other people are paying real money for those BTC
282 2010-11-15 22:18:26 <yebyen> if there's a shortage of bitcoins in your nation, then people just won't deal with you on the market
283 2010-11-15 22:18:43 <yebyen> you'll join a new clan with different block flags :x
284 2010-11-15 22:18:49 <ArtForz> just as my new tx-in-block-caching miner is ready for testing
285 2010-11-15 22:18:54 <theymos> ArtForz: Miner oligarchy seems most desirable to me. Then the network can react quickly to any threat, and the main players will have real incentive.
286 2010-11-15 22:18:58 <yebyen> a young clan, whose owners are not so stingy :)
287 2010-11-15 22:19:42 <lfm> theymos, should never be any actual barriers to new partisipants tho if they want to join
288 2010-11-15 22:19:55 <theymos> Of course. It'll always be totally free-market.
289 2010-11-15 22:20:29 <lfm> theymos, or hobbiests if they want to play
290 2010-11-15 22:22:20 <noagendamarket> I think we should set up a bitcoin mesh network
291 2010-11-15 22:22:26 <yebyen> 1B4VroMYakxNs9ZCvfTWY9nL9oTD5V3vHV -- oops, i mean http://martyfunkhouser.csh.rit.edu/~yebyen/
292 2010-11-15 22:22:33 <yebyen> anyone have an EeePC?
293 2010-11-15 22:22:48 <noagendamarket> provide a way for people to earn bitcoin for sharing bandwidth
294 2010-11-15 22:22:56 <lfm> yebyen, ya?
295 2010-11-15 22:22:56 <ne0futur> i have the oldest eepc , 4G
296 2010-11-15 22:23:04 <yebyen> lfm: tried android on it lately?
297 2010-11-15 22:23:16 <lfm> yebyen, no
298 2010-11-15 22:23:31 <yebyen> ne0futur: mine is the 2g, also oldest
299 2010-11-15 22:23:43 <yebyen> lfm: well that link has a working build, if you're into it
300 2010-11-15 22:23:53 <lfm> mine is old celeron based one
301 2010-11-15 22:23:53 <yebyen> with sd card and wifi support
302 2010-11-15 22:23:57 <yebyen> sort of
303 2010-11-15 22:24:01 <yebyen> yeah so is mine
304 2010-11-15 22:24:04 <yebyen> it works best on eeepc
305 2010-11-15 22:24:11 <yebyen> on my aspireone with better specs, i have to plug in ethernet
306 2010-11-15 22:24:49 <yebyen> but, if you think the project is worthwhile at all, put in some bitcoins :D
307 2010-11-15 22:27:16 <lfm> yebyen, the .img file goes on a thumb drive or what?
308 2010-11-15 22:33:55 <lfm> 0.3.15 is not working right for me
309 2010-11-15 22:34:18 <lfm> does not start up connections
310 2010-11-15 22:34:43 <theymos> Bitcoin's external IP services are down. Wait 10 minutes and it'll connect.
311 2010-11-15 22:36:22 <lfm> k
312 2010-11-15 22:36:22 <ne0futur> wow http://www.libertydollar.org/  Site Removed Due to Court Order.
313 2010-11-15 22:36:36 <ne0futur> so USDOJ claims that Liberty Dollars are means to compete with currency, and such competition is a criminal act. I such we decriminalize that act ASAP
314 2010-11-15 22:37:25 <ne0futur> better not hot your bitcoins in the US . . .
315 2010-11-15 22:38:39 <lfm> weird so I wonder if you can get arrested for trying to trade Canadian Dollars then
316 2010-11-15 22:41:00 <ne0futur> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Dollar
317 2010-11-15 22:44:48 <theymos> gavinandresen: I heard on Security Now that some ISPs proxy traffic on port 80, which makes external IP services unreliable. It was recommended to use an external IP service over HTTPS. NoScript uses https://secure.informaction.com/ipecho
318 2010-11-15 22:45:30 <gavinandresen> theymos: https://freebitcoins.appspot.com/ip   works (as of a couple hours ago)
319 2010-11-15 22:45:48 <gavinandresen> theymos: unfortunately, https fetching ain't gonna happen.
320 2010-11-15 22:46:08 <gavinandresen> theymos: (satoshi ran into brick walls trying to get it all compiling under WIndows)
321 2010-11-15 22:46:43 <theymos> OK. An option to manually specify my external IP would be nice.
322 2010-11-15 22:47:35 <gavinandresen> A lot of things would be nice....
323 2010-11-15 22:48:04 <gavinandresen> (that's a particularly easy on, though)
324 2010-11-15 22:48:14 <gavinandresen> ^on^one^
325 2010-11-15 22:48:49 <theymos> Yeah. I could probably write it, if you want, but I doubt my code would be neat enough for Bitcoin standards.
326 2010-11-15 22:50:27 <gavinandresen> Hard part isn't writing the code, it is figuring out if somebody could do something evil with it, what the option should be, remembering to add it to the help string, adding translations in the help string......
327 2010-11-15 22:59:11 <gavinandresen> theymos:  I've been keeping track of 'nice to have' features on github--   https://github.com/gavinandresen/bitcoin-git/issues#issue/14
328 2010-11-15 23:01:22 <ArtForz> hey, whats the current block count on TEST?
329 2010-11-15 23:02:45 <OneFixt> interesting block: http://theymos.ath.cx:64150/bbe/block/000000000006f9b809365a295225ec109b1e76fcb16f040bed626211ce9ce7c8
330 2010-11-15 23:04:06 <gavinandresen> ArtForz: 12,852 according to my TEST client
331 2010-11-15 23:04:14 <theymos> gavinandresen: Cool. I've been wishing for several of those features.
332 2010-11-15 23:04:19 <ArtForz> ahhh, k
333 2010-11-15 23:04:38 <ArtForz> then I'm up to date
334 2010-11-15 23:17:30 <ArtForz> now, that's better
335 2010-11-15 23:18:12 <ArtForz> 1.x sec/block
336 2010-11-15 23:20:34 <gavinandresen> You trying to break the testnet?
337 2010-11-15 23:20:38 <gavinandresen> (if so... GOOD!)
338 2010-11-15 23:20:52 <ArtForz> testing my new tx-caching
339 2010-11-15 23:20:59 <gavinandresen> nice
340 2010-11-15 23:24:12 <ArtForz> looks good so far
341 2010-11-15 23:24:44 <ArtForz> I'm lagging the shit out of myself
342 2010-11-15 23:38:57 <ArtForz> looks good, didn't blow up in my face
343 2010-11-15 23:53:28 <ArtForz> okay, 2 5970s might've been a bit overkill
344 2010-11-15 23:53:37 <ArtForz> using a single 5770 now
345 2010-11-15 23:56:15 <alystair> so, any use for bitcoins yet?
346 2010-11-15 23:56:24 <Kiba> gambling, business cards
347 2010-11-15 23:56:51 <Kiba> VOIP
348 2010-11-15 23:57:03 <Kiba> we need MOAR web services
349 2010-11-15 23:57:09 <Kiba> and a prediction market