1 2010-11-22 00:01:00 <Kiba> we garned an impressive 278 posts in one day
2 2010-11-22 00:08:05 <OneFixt> ArtForz: what brand of 5970s are you using?
3 2010-11-22 00:09:10 <Kiba> I love...parallel development
4 2010-11-22 00:09:30 * Kiba ponders how many questions did OneFixt asked about 5970s
5 2010-11-22 00:09:43 <OneFixt> this IS the -dev channel
6 2010-11-22 00:09:58 <OneFixt> but if you're curious, grep the logs =)
7 2010-11-22 00:10:39 * Kiba is doing an art piece about the mystery of Satoshi Nakamoto
8 2010-11-22 00:17:20 <ArtForz> OneFixt: who cares, they're all the same
9 2010-11-22 00:18:07 <OneFixt> ArtForz: some allow overclocking without voiding the warranty, some have better cooling, etc.
10 2010-11-22 00:18:11 <ArtForz> all built by the same OEM, shipped via AMD, the board partners only slap on the sticker and put it in a box
11 2010-11-22 00:18:38 <ArtForz> only exception are the 4GB non-reference models by sapphire, xfx and asus, and all of those are expensive as hell
12 2010-11-22 00:19:37 <anarchy> asus has the nicest packaging, but artforz is right
13 2010-11-22 00:20:12 <Kiba> pitifully low volume today
14 2010-11-22 00:20:16 <Kiba> 769 BTC.
15 2010-11-22 00:20:20 <Kiba> for mtgox
16 2010-11-22 00:20:56 <anarchy> we need some decent exchanges that accept visa/mastercard/convenient payment method
17 2010-11-22 00:20:58 <ArtForz> I try to avoid board partners that have factory OCed 5970s
18 2010-11-22 00:21:24 <Kiba> bitcoin market actually exceed mtgox in volume exchanged
19 2010-11-22 00:21:56 <ArtForz> simple reason really: they cherry-pick the best OCers from the shipments they get
20 2010-11-22 00:22:51 delta9 has joined
21 2010-11-22 00:23:07 <ArtForz> and then only OC em by a token amount but charge a LOT more for them, and they sell because everyone knows those are cherrypicked cards
22 2010-11-22 00:23:30 <OneFixt> true
23 2010-11-22 00:24:43 <ArtForz> which in turn means "normal" cards from those vendors are on average worse overlockers :/
24 2010-11-22 00:25:47 <OneFixt> exactly what i was thinking
25 2010-11-22 00:26:15 <OneFixt> so what would an average card run, $600?
26 2010-11-22 00:27:33 <ArtForz> I think more like 500-550
27 2010-11-22 00:27:48 <OneFixt> looks like prices rose a bit for the holidays
28 2010-11-22 00:28:41 <anarchy> getting them is something else
29 2010-11-22 00:28:46 <anarchy> seems they run low stocks
30 2010-11-22 00:28:48 <anarchy> i dont know
31 2010-11-22 00:28:53 <ArtForz> yep
32 2010-11-22 00:29:05 AAA_awright_ has joined
33 2010-11-22 00:29:35 <ArtForz> my last batch of 5970s has a 2 week lead time
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36 2010-11-22 00:30:53 <anarchy> art: is running a generator on diesel cheaper than buying electricity, if you dont use it for heating but only for computers?
37 2010-11-22 00:31:01 <ArtForz> nope
38 2010-11-22 00:31:38 <AAA_awright> Nope by far
39 2010-11-22 00:31:51 <ArtForz> generator output is ~2/3 thermal
40 2010-11-22 00:32:40 <anarchy> cant you convert that into electric?
41 2010-11-22 00:32:53 <ArtForz> not really
42 2010-11-22 00:33:04 <anarchy> run a steam engine :)
43 2010-11-22 00:33:32 <AAA_awright> Stop making the laws of thermodynamics cry please
44 2010-11-22 00:33:44 <AAA_awright> :)
45 2010-11-22 00:34:05 <ArtForz> well, you *can* increase cycle efficiency with measures like that
46 2010-11-22 00:34:12 <ArtForz> but it only makes sense on a large scale
47 2010-11-22 00:34:46 <Kiba> ArtForz will probably end up being a large scale GPU farm operator
48 2010-11-22 00:35:31 <ArtForz> the total network is only equivalent to about 100 5970s
49 2010-11-22 00:36:18 <anarchy> what happens if someone buys 100 then?
50 2010-11-22 00:37:30 <ArtForz> then he has 100 5970s
51 2010-11-22 00:38:11 <anarchy> and half of coin generation
52 2010-11-22 00:38:25 <ArtForz> yep
53 2010-11-22 00:39:01 <anarchy> i guess as long as they have good intentions its not a problem
54 2010-11-22 00:39:12 <ArtForz> which at current market rates is about $900/day worth of bitcoins
55 2010-11-22 00:39:55 <Kiba> so we need more GPU farms!
56 2010-11-22 00:40:08 <ArtForz> add in the rest of the system and you're looking at $80-100k in hardware
57 2010-11-22 00:40:31 <anarchy> and consedirable power costs
58 2010-11-22 00:40:35 <ArtForz> yep
59 2010-11-22 00:40:36 <anarchy> considerable
60 2010-11-22 00:40:40 <Kiba> and ArtForz basically control 1/5
61 2010-11-22 00:40:44 <anarchy> you cant run that from 1 house anyway
62 2010-11-22 00:40:47 <ArtForz> 1 5970 = 0.4kW
63 2010-11-22 00:40:56 <ArtForz> 100 5970 = 40kW
64 2010-11-22 00:41:08 <anarchy> my houses power meter is limited to 60 amps i think
65 2010-11-22 00:41:29 <Kiba> so ArtForz, got plan to scale?
66 2010-11-22 00:41:34 <xelister> lets chip in bitcoins to build nuclear power plant
67 2010-11-22 00:41:36 <ArtForz> nah
68 2010-11-22 00:42:09 <ArtForz> I'll probably stop at 20 5970s, that should be enough load
69 2010-11-22 00:42:35 <Kiba> Until you find way to make electricity cheaper
70 2010-11-22 00:42:43 <Kiba> or just have a windmill lying around
71 2010-11-22 00:43:11 <anarchy> i know someone who has one in his backyard
72 2010-11-22 00:43:16 <anarchy> hes one of the few in belgium
73 2010-11-22 00:43:21 <anarchy> not easy to get a license
74 2010-11-22 00:43:27 <anarchy> makes a lot of noise thought :)
75 2010-11-22 00:43:31 <anarchy> though*
76 2010-11-22 00:43:50 <ArtForz> nah, remember I'm using the GPU miners as a electric load on my generator so it produces enough heat output to keep up my heating water circuit + hot water reservoir temps up without switching on the electric heater coils
77 2010-11-22 00:44:02 <Kiba> The US government would kill bitcoins right now if it buy 100 GPU and make the taxpayers bear the cost
78 2010-11-22 00:44:30 <Kiba> how come you got a generator?
79 2010-11-22 00:44:52 <ArtForz> combined heat+power unit
80 2010-11-22 00:45:41 <ArtForz> electricity prices around here are outrageous enough that it makes economic sense to replace a central heating oil furnace with a diesel genset and run off-grid in winter
81 2010-11-22 00:45:53 <Kiba> lol.
82 2010-11-22 00:46:19 <xelister> hey what you would know
83 2010-11-22 00:46:19 <ArtForz> well, the oil -> heat efficiency in both cases is damn close to 100%
84 2010-11-22 00:46:24 <xelister> Diablo's miner is not a scam :P
85 2010-11-22 00:46:28 <xelister> block 1 found \o
86 2010-11-22 00:46:42 <ArtForz> doesnt matter if you go oil->heat or oil->heat+electricity->heat
87 2010-11-22 00:47:36 <xelister> WoMD+terroists+panic+no morals -> oil -> heat -> money -> war on drugs -> drugs only for rich and gov. -> ??? -> sharks
88 2010-11-22 00:48:08 <xelister> and shark oil we can use for better cooling system in ArtForz's miners
89 2010-11-22 00:48:15 <ArtForz> utility power here is ~$0.33/kWh
90 2010-11-22 00:49:22 <xelister> btw I checked here in PL it is
91 2010-11-22 00:49:43 <xelister> 0.16 usd/kWh
92 2010-11-22 00:50:03 <ArtForz> also explains why PV is so huge in germany
93 2010-11-22 00:50:08 <xelister> plus around 5 usd/month anyway for being connected (but that doesnt matter probably)
94 2010-11-22 00:50:17 <anarchy> whats PV?
95 2010-11-22 00:50:25 <ArtForz> photovoltaics
96 2010-11-22 00:50:33 <xelister> ArtForz: airmail me your miner
97 2010-11-22 00:50:36 <xelister> we can be both richer =)
98 2010-11-22 00:50:40 <anarchy> did you give subsidies to people who bought them?
99 2010-11-22 00:50:41 <xelister> or some parts of it
100 2010-11-22 00:50:53 <ArtForz> yes
101 2010-11-22 00:51:13 <anarchy> belgian gov did last years.. until too many people started buying
102 2010-11-22 00:51:18 <ArtForz> backfeeding energy from "green" sources nets you ~$0.40/kWh
103 2010-11-22 00:51:30 <anarchy> damn
104 2010-11-22 00:51:39 <anarchy> here you get jack shit
105 2010-11-22 00:51:53 <ArtForz> = photovoltaics, wind, vegetable oil
106 2010-11-22 00:52:15 <anarchy> would make it almost worth it to go buy large vegetable oil quantities in stores
107 2010-11-22 00:52:17 <Kiba> so you have photovoltiacs, winds, and vegetable oil
108 2010-11-22 00:52:24 <anarchy> last time i checked it was a lot cheaper than diesel
109 2010-11-22 00:52:31 <ArtForz> it used to be
110 2010-11-22 00:52:57 <nanotube> ;;bc,mtgox
111 2010-11-22 00:52:58 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.282,"low":0.2763,"vol":765,"buy":0.2768,"sell":0.2845,"last":0.2768}}
112 2010-11-22 00:53:01 <anarchy> i should have seen that one coming
113 2010-11-22 00:53:07 <anarchy> could have bought 1 billion tons
114 2010-11-22 00:53:16 <nanotube> that's some low volume...
115 2010-11-22 00:53:20 <ArtForz> of course now demand has driven prices quite a bit up
116 2010-11-22 00:53:31 <ArtForz> and our politicians are discussing taking it off the list
117 2010-11-22 00:53:52 <anarchy> yeah its not very environmentally friendly if you take all aspects into account
118 2010-11-22 00:54:18 <ArtForz> they also want to reduce the subsidy on PV
119 2010-11-22 00:55:30 <ArtForz> it's fucking policy ping-pong
120 2010-11-22 00:57:32 <ArtForz> usual fun caused by policymakers with no clue about economics
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122 2010-11-22 01:18:26 <brocktice> anarchy: 60A?
123 2010-11-22 01:18:34 <brocktice> That's pretty damn low
124 2010-11-22 01:19:53 <brocktice> finally cleaned up the damn tubes with the addition of a right-angle fitting: http://www.flickr.com/photos/brocktice/5195604987/
125 2010-11-22 01:20:04 <brocktice> It's still not pretty but it's functional
126 2010-11-22 01:20:24 <brocktice> and it fits in 4u
127 2010-11-22 01:20:49 <AAA_awright> How much money are we spending to get a few Bitcoins?
128 2010-11-22 01:21:06 <ArtForz> hmmm... that case looks like it might have airflow issues
129 2010-11-22 01:21:26 <AAA_awright> I mean, is that profitable?
130 2010-11-22 01:21:28 <ArtForz> you have 3 120mm intake at the front, and only 2 80mm + PSU at the back
131 2010-11-22 01:22:01 <brocktice> ArtForz: well, the cards have vents
132 2010-11-22 01:22:13 <ArtForz> yeah, but except for the cards it doesnt look like theres a lot of vent holes in the back
133 2010-11-22 01:22:36 <ArtForz> might try replacing the empty slot brackets with grilled ones
134 2010-11-22 01:22:48 <brocktice> ArtForz: I actually was thinking of putting a dedicated blower there
135 2010-11-22 01:23:43 <ArtForz> otherwise a nice build
136 2010-11-22 01:24:24 <brocktice> thanks
137 2010-11-22 01:24:32 <brocktice> cable ties would go a long way
138 2010-11-22 01:24:34 <brocktice> one day when I have time
139 2010-11-22 01:24:59 <ArtForz> the case builders version of "if it compiles, ship it" ;)
140 2010-11-22 01:26:39 <ArtForz> you could also replace the ultra kazes with 20-30W deltas and have it *sound* like a server ;)
141 2010-11-22 01:27:03 <brocktice> ArtForz: it's 1 foot from my knee and I make conference calls from here, so, no
142 2010-11-22 01:27:08 <ArtForz> ouch
143 2010-11-22 01:27:13 <brocktice> If I did that I could probably cram 3 5970s in
144 2010-11-22 01:27:16 <ArtForz> yeah
145 2010-11-22 01:27:18 <ArtForz> given enough airflow a 360mm rad should be enough for 4 cards
146 2010-11-22 01:27:20 <brocktice> as it is I don't think the rad can handle it
147 2010-11-22 01:27:24 <brocktice> push/pull would help too
148 2010-11-22 01:27:30 <brocktice> I could squeeze it in, but it's working for now
149 2010-11-22 01:27:44 <brocktice> one of those 450W GPU PSUs would fit in toward the 'top' of the pic there, too
150 2010-11-22 01:28:32 <ArtForz> yeah, 1200W main + 400-500W aux gpu
151 2010-11-22 01:28:59 <ArtForz> or a 1500W+ main, but those are hard to find
152 2010-11-22 01:29:03 <brocktice> yeah
153 2010-11-22 01:29:09 <brocktice> it was nice that it was easy to yank out all the drive bays
154 2010-11-22 01:29:19 <brocktice> and that foam is reused from the product packaging :)
155 2010-11-22 01:29:32 <ArtForz> they're usually just screwed in on most rackmount cases
156 2010-11-22 01:29:36 <brocktice> yep
157 2010-11-22 01:29:42 <brocktice> brb
158 2010-11-22 01:29:42 <ArtForz> except for the really cheap stuff, those are spot welded
159 2010-11-22 01:29:47 <ArtForz> ... usually
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164 2010-11-22 01:32:05 <brocktice> back
165 2010-11-22 01:32:27 <brocktice> ArtForz: I'm trying to figure out how to get more cool air to my PSU
166 2010-11-22 01:32:38 <brocktice> thought of making some plastic or cardboard ducting over the top of the radiator
167 2010-11-22 01:33:03 <brocktice> Now that I'm back to two 5970s it's not such a big deal though
168 2010-11-22 01:33:12 <brocktice> ~930W at plug
169 2010-11-22 01:35:20 <ArtForz> btw, I killed my 2nd 1kW PSU
170 2010-11-22 01:35:24 <brocktice> :(
171 2010-11-22 01:35:35 <brocktice> ArtForz: Slayer of PSUs
172 2010-11-22 01:35:48 <ArtForz> first one was probably a manufacturing defect, at 800W it suddenly went *bang*
173 2010-11-22 01:36:34 <ArtForz> second one ran at 1100W @ the plug for a few hours, then just shut down
174 2010-11-22 01:37:31 <ArtForz> and smelled like magic smoke
175 2010-11-22 01:38:02 <ArtForz> looks like one complete bank of mosfets on the 12V rectification blew up
176 2010-11-22 01:38:56 <ArtForz> 2 banks @ 3*IRFB3206 each
177 2010-11-22 01:39:16 <brocktice> Ah the smell of magic smoke
178 2010-11-22 01:39:21 <brocktice> been a while, fortunately
179 2010-11-22 01:39:22 <ArtForz> each one rated @ 120A continous
180 2010-11-22 01:39:49 <ArtForz> and they blew up pretty good
181 2010-11-22 01:41:07 <ArtForz> I have an idea about what happened, but I have to check the whole thing more closely
182 2010-11-22 01:41:20 <brocktice> this has potential: http://www.amazon.com/Antec-CYCLONE-3-SPEED-Exhuast-Expansion/dp/B0007MGEO2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1290389573&sr=8-1
183 2010-11-22 01:41:32 <ArtForz> the 3 FETs in each bank are simply paralleled
184 2010-11-22 01:42:05 <ArtForz> where would it pull air from? it's flanked by cards
185 2010-11-22 01:42:20 <brocktice> it would have room on the CPU side for sure
186 2010-11-22 01:42:31 <brocktice> not so much on the other side
187 2010-11-22 01:42:37 <ArtForz> ahhh. true
188 2010-11-22 01:43:54 <brocktice> I need more pics of that thing
189 2010-11-22 01:44:51 <brocktice> seems to pull from both sides but I'd probably be better off with a smaller faster one that pulled from cpu side only
190 2010-11-22 01:45:31 <brocktice> like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835119065
191 2010-11-22 01:45:45 <brocktice> faster and quieter according to specs
192 2010-11-22 01:47:20 <ArtForz> neat
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194 2010-11-22 01:49:20 <Kiba> http://ub.yepcorp.com/file/download/8
195 2010-11-22 01:49:30 <brocktice> pag?
196 2010-11-22 01:49:42 <Kiba> it's a sketch
197 2010-11-22 01:49:50 <brocktice> It says 'pag' on my screen
198 2010-11-22 01:49:53 <brocktice> js required?
199 2010-11-22 01:50:09 <Kiba> it's...dead?
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202 2010-11-22 02:02:05 <MT`AwAy> seems so
203 2010-11-22 02:03:04 <Kiba> Hippich is investigating it
204 2010-11-22 02:03:08 <brocktice> ArtForz: do you know where aticonfig --odcc stores its data?
205 2010-11-22 02:03:22 <ArtForz> odcc?
206 2010-11-22 02:03:29 <ArtForz> ahhh, commit clocks
207 2010-11-22 02:04:04 <ArtForz> probably in /etc/ati/amdpcsdb
208 2010-11-22 02:04:45 <ArtForz> AMD Persistent Config Store DataBase
209 2010-11-22 02:04:46 <brocktice> yep
210 2010-11-22 02:04:51 <brocktice> there it is
211 2010-11-22 02:05:00 <brocktice> noticed that restarting X hosed my scripted core speeds
212 2010-11-22 02:05:12 <brocktice> hopefully that will alleviate the problem
213 2010-11-22 02:05:34 <brocktice> I thought it was maybe in xorg.conf but didn't see it anywhere there
214 2010-11-22 02:05:59 <brocktice> ;;bc,estimate
215 2010-11-22 02:06:00 <gribble> 6697.77385748
216 2010-11-22 02:06:04 <brocktice> ;;bc,stats
217 2010-11-22 02:06:06 <gribble> Current Blocks: 93200 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94752 | Next Difficulty In: 1552 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 1 hour, 11 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6697.77385748
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221 2010-11-22 02:25:09 <xelister> everyone sleeps? next person to reply will get 10000/(10^seconds) BTCs from me, rounded down by 10...
222 2010-11-22 02:25:11 <xelister> offering 10000
223 2010-11-22 02:25:13 <xelister> offering 1000
224 2010-11-22 02:25:17 <xelister> offering 100
225 2010-11-22 02:25:23 <xelister> offering 10
226 2010-11-22 02:25:40 <xelister> eh that will teach you guys to sleep on chan. ;) 1 btc anyone?
227 2010-11-22 02:25:57 <brocktice> sure
228 2010-11-22 02:26:05 * brocktice was reading the forums
229 2010-11-22 02:26:07 <xelister> if only you responded 3 or like 6 sec before :P
230 2010-11-22 02:26:22 <brocktice> 1ArQDXF8DPY5Y1bVcGQqqNFZxtNczmzFYo
231 2010-11-22 02:26:26 <brocktice> hey, a bitcoin is a bitcoin
232 2010-11-22 02:26:34 <xelister> tooo late :P
233 2010-11-22 02:26:39 <xelister> brocktice: you run miner on windows right?
234 2010-11-22 02:26:44 <brocktice> no, linux
235 2010-11-22 02:26:49 <brocktice> 20:16 < xelister> eh that will teach you guys to sleep on chan. ;) 1 btc anyone?
236 2010-11-22 02:26:51 <xelister> what distro?
237 2010-11-22 02:26:56 <brocktice> ubuntu 10.04 server
238 2010-11-22 02:27:02 <xelister> hmm hmm
239 2010-11-22 02:27:19 <xelister> do you have anyone with windows also, and gpu capable of some generating?
240 2010-11-22 02:27:28 <brocktice> LobsterMan I think?
241 2010-11-22 02:27:34 <brocktice> And Malin?
242 2010-11-22 02:28:10 <brocktice> xelister: finally posted a picture of it with the water cooling today when I reworked the tube routing: http://www.flickr.com/photos/brocktice/5195604987/#/photos/brocktice/5195604987/lightbox/
243 2010-11-22 02:29:41 <Kiba> I wonder. desoldering heat the component that I am trying to dismantle. Is that bad?
244 2010-11-22 02:29:53 <brocktice> Kiba: what's the component?
245 2010-11-22 02:30:01 <xelister> looks interesting
246 2010-11-22 02:30:13 <xelister> Kiba: depends on how much ;)
247 2010-11-22 02:30:22 <brocktice> xelister: the black foam on the front seals the lid over the radiator
248 2010-11-22 02:30:28 <brocktice> to force it to suck air in from the front of the case
249 2010-11-22 02:30:54 <Kiba> a transitor of some kind
250 2010-11-22 02:31:15 <xelister> Kiba: dunno... try it and see
251 2010-11-22 02:31:38 <Kiba> is that...a steel mesh?
252 2010-11-22 02:31:46 <brocktice> no? where?
253 2010-11-22 02:33:05 <brocktice> here's the front: http://www.flickr.com/photos/brocktice/5167159926/in/photostream/
254 2010-11-22 02:33:13 <xelister> brocktice: I send you the coin :) perhaps later you can help me with post to forum about my website related to bitcoin ;)
255 2010-11-22 02:33:23 <Kiba> brocktice: right
256 2010-11-22 02:33:27 <brocktice> xelister: sure, perhaps
257 2010-11-22 02:33:30 <xelister> brocktice: btw, say when you received it. how fast exactly this works now
258 2010-11-22 02:33:39 <brocktice> Oh I saw it as soon as you said that
259 2010-11-22 02:33:57 <xelister> we need a ka-ching! sound in the gui lol
260 2010-11-22 02:33:57 <brocktice> BTW I saw after the fact that you had given it as 10000/(10^seconds)
261 2010-11-22 02:34:08 <xelister> brocktice: ;)
262 2010-11-22 02:34:14 <brocktice> so I guess I didn't actually qualify, I can send it back.
263 2010-11-22 02:34:29 <xelister> you can in return test my miner later
264 2010-11-22 02:34:38 <brocktice> k sure
265 2010-11-22 02:34:43 <xelister> its based on diablos, but sends bitcoins and report to centrall server
266 2010-11-22 02:34:47 <brocktice> ah
267 2010-11-22 02:34:55 <brocktice> I have a little script for that, I think many people do
268 2010-11-22 02:34:57 <xelister> you can set the sending to just 0 or 1% to test etc
269 2010-11-22 02:35:07 <Kiba> people getting serious about the optimization of their mining rig
270 2010-11-22 02:35:10 <brocktice> send_bitcoins_home.sh
271 2010-11-22 02:35:19 <brocktice> Kiba: yeah, now mine emails me when it finds one
272 2010-11-22 02:35:21 <xelister> well I think there is not much to improve in the miners, they od their job
273 2010-11-22 02:35:26 <xelister> perhaps I will add nicer stats and shit
274 2010-11-22 02:35:31 <brocktice> usability, low maintenance
275 2010-11-22 02:35:35 <xelister> and pause / slowdown throlle
276 2010-11-22 02:35:44 <brocktice> I'm adding checks to mine to monitor temps, hangs etc.
277 2010-11-22 02:35:51 <brocktice> It already emails me if a gpu stops hashing.
278 2010-11-22 02:35:55 <brocktice> (failed overclock)
279 2010-11-22 02:35:58 <xelister> m0m's liked to hang if it was OC
280 2010-11-22 02:36:00 <xelister> haha same problem then? :)
281 2010-11-22 02:36:06 <brocktice> it's m0m's kernel
282 2010-11-22 02:36:13 <brocktice> I forked it, changed the python
283 2010-11-22 02:36:17 <xelister> I found out that m0m's was hanging, and later that both where crashing the computer
284 2010-11-22 02:36:26 <xelister> it turned out, that apparenlty
285 2010-11-22 02:36:29 <xelister> was too high OC
286 2010-11-22 02:36:47 <brocktice> https://github.com/brocktice/poclbm
287 2010-11-22 02:37:09 <brocktice> minerd.py is my version
288 2010-11-22 02:37:09 <xelister> I think I will though use the java's one,
289 2010-11-22 02:37:16 <brocktice> check_gpus.sh works with the log output
290 2010-11-22 02:37:17 <brocktice> sure
291 2010-11-22 02:37:20 <xelister> because it is I guess easier to distribute to all platforms
292 2010-11-22 02:37:27 <xelister> was thiking for some days about it
293 2010-11-22 02:37:38 <brocktice> as long as you can get around those bugs where it doesn't work right / fast enough :)
294 2010-11-22 02:37:40 <xelister> it seems java's will work all windows + all linuxes just with JRE
295 2010-11-22 02:37:47 <xelister> I fixed this
296 2010-11-22 02:38:07 <brocktice> Yeah I'm putting Linux-specific code in my python miner now anyway
297 2010-11-22 02:38:09 <xelister> need to add auto-detect code to switch to proper .cl using/not using amd bitalign (needed for 5xxx radeons)
298 2010-11-22 02:38:15 <brocktice> I don't really care at all if it runs on Windows.
299 2010-11-22 02:38:40 <brocktice> I'm building it into a dedicated mining daemon for dedicated mining hardware.
300 2010-11-22 02:38:47 <brocktice> And why run dedicated mining hardware on windows?
301 2010-11-22 02:39:03 <xelister> ;)
302 2010-11-22 02:39:10 <xelister> btw
303 2010-11-22 02:39:18 <xelister> would any of you be interested
304 2010-11-22 02:39:22 <xelister> in buying a miner?
305 2010-11-22 02:39:29 <brocktice> I'm all set
306 2010-11-22 02:39:34 <Kiba> how much does it cost?
307 2010-11-22 02:39:36 <xelister> no, I mean like
308 2010-11-22 02:39:42 <brocktice> I'll wait until this one has paid itself off before I consider building more hardware
309 2010-11-22 02:39:54 <Kiba> amortalization.
310 2010-11-22 02:39:56 <xelister> pay now XXX BCs, and get guaranteed XXXXXX GHash/sec for next 30 days
311 2010-11-22 02:40:11 <brocktice> a-mortalization?
312 2010-11-22 02:40:12 <xelister> or shorter/longer time
313 2010-11-22 02:40:12 <Kiba> is there any incentives?
314 2010-11-22 02:40:13 <brocktice> I want that
315 2010-11-22 02:40:30 <ArtForz> didnt tcatm already do that?
316 2010-11-22 02:40:41 <Kiba> I don't get the incentives
317 2010-11-22 02:40:51 <brocktice> Kiba: if diff goes way up it could pay off
318 2010-11-22 02:40:59 <xelister> in this setup I do not have the risk that changes in difficulty or exchanged rate will make it bad for me, and the buyer gets access Ghashes without hassle
319 2010-11-22 02:41:13 <brocktice> oh nm
320 2010-11-22 02:41:25 <Kiba> so, umm..
321 2010-11-22 02:41:30 * Kiba wants to know how much it cost
322 2010-11-22 02:41:33 <brocktice> shares in a miner. tcatm sold shares in a miner?
323 2010-11-22 02:41:36 <xelister> I dont know exactly yet
324 2010-11-22 02:41:38 <brocktice> I was considering doing so
325 2010-11-22 02:41:42 <brocktice> need to heat my basement living room
326 2010-11-22 02:41:44 <xelister> it will be calculated to be fair for everyone
327 2010-11-22 02:42:15 <xelister> it will be so that it will pay off unless the market collapses in next 30 days
328 2010-11-22 02:42:18 <ArtForz> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1360.0
329 2010-11-22 02:42:26 <xelister> so overall the buyer of shares acts like insurance I guess :)
330 2010-11-22 02:42:46 <xelister> woooo we are now business insurance institutions \o/ almost like FED. how cool open source money is?? ;)
331 2010-11-22 02:44:13 <Kiba> insurance against what?
332 2010-11-22 02:45:14 <brocktice> speaking of sleeping in the channel
333 2010-11-22 02:45:36 <brocktice> I've got other stuff to do tonight. You can leave me messages here xelister if you want me to test something later.
334 2010-11-22 02:46:00 <xelister> Kiba: insurrance against market collaps. both really should not happen, but there is some chance
335 2010-11-22 02:46:15 <xelister> brocktice: ok. or PM. well, it could take few days before "relese", will see yet :
336 2010-11-22 02:46:16 <xelister> :)
337 2010-11-22 02:52:21 <xelister> paytxfee - whats up with that? do I set that on my node? or how this owkrs now
338 2010-11-22 02:55:41 <davex__> there's no point in paying that now afaik
339 2010-11-22 02:56:46 <davex__> but if you do pay it, it ends up with whoever generates the next block (i think)
340 2010-11-22 03:01:39 <AAA_awright> Isn't that a maximum and not a price?
341 2010-11-22 03:03:12 <jgarzik> xelister: -paytxfee=NN.NN on command line, to add that TX fee to each TX
342 2010-11-22 03:03:36 <xelister> what exactly this means - why would one use that?
343 2010-11-22 03:03:39 <jgarzik> xelister: if free spam continues to fill up free TX, it -might- help speed up your TX's
344 2010-11-22 03:04:04 <jgarzik> xelister: raises your priority. if free TX area fills up, you must wait for next block, unless you pay TX fee.
345 2010-11-22 03:04:26 <jgarzik> of course, simply sending a non-spam transaction for free should give you priority over spam transactions
346 2010-11-22 03:04:32 <xelister> so this is volounteray money that I wish to spend so that my transaction will be processed higher? ok
347 2010-11-22 03:04:43 <jgarzik> xelister: correct
348 2010-11-22 03:04:43 <xelister> and the fees go to next block generator as addition to 50btc?
349 2010-11-22 03:04:47 <jgarzik> xelister: correct
350 2010-11-22 03:04:54 <xelister> cool idea
351 2010-11-22 03:05:11 <xelister> seriously BTC is more comfortable then banks
352 2010-11-22 03:05:35 <jgarzik> with low volume, it is pointless to pay TX fee, because each block reserves small area for free TX.
353 2010-11-22 03:05:42 <xelister> then fucking with SWIFT, reading 25 page agreement to know how much I will pay for transfer, when, and how much pay extra to have it done quicker
354 2010-11-22 03:05:50 <jgarzik> once free TX area fills up, you must (a) pay fee or (b) wait until next block
355 2010-11-22 03:05:54 <xelister> no crappy looking for my bank details, address, BIC code etc
356 2010-11-22 03:06:47 <xelister> last time I was waiting like 14 days for DE->PL transfer (inside Eu, in EURO) !!!
357 2010-11-22 03:06:58 <xelister> I think I will recommend btc to my cunstomers.
358 2010-11-22 03:07:37 <xelister> (usually DE->PL is around 2-4 days)
359 2010-11-22 03:08:03 <xelister> if you think about it, normal banks such a huge cock, why they do it sooo sloowlllyyyyy. It was not a milion dolar or something
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361 2010-11-22 03:12:20 * xelister <3 bitcoin
362 2010-11-22 03:14:28 tjgillies_ is now known as tylergillies
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365 2010-11-22 03:26:00 <jgarzik> SVN r187:
366 2010-11-22 03:26:01 <jgarzik> added transaction fee setting in UI options menu,
367 2010-11-22 03:26:01 <jgarzik> cut free transaction area from 50KB to 26KB
368 2010-11-22 03:30:11 <davex__> block generation time is more-or-less constant, right?
369 2010-11-22 03:31:19 <nanotube> cut free transaction area? what's the new fee schedule, then?
370 2010-11-22 03:42:49 <xelister> btw what if satoshi one day releases officiall version that changes the protocol, and amongs other rhings, attributes 10 BTC from each block to some account 1bc561sda2x...
371 2010-11-22 03:47:10 <ArtForz> then everyone with half a brain cell switches to a fork
372 2010-11-22 03:52:49 <Kiba> man
373 2010-11-22 03:52:53 <Kiba> I wish my scanner work
374 2010-11-22 03:53:24 <Kiba> IT's decided.
375 2010-11-22 03:53:29 <Kiba> I will work one hour a day
376 2010-11-22 03:53:34 <xelister> ArtForz: yeah but who has rights to "BTC" "bitcoin" etc
377 2010-11-22 03:53:36 <Kiba> then put up my artwork for downloading
378 2010-11-22 03:54:43 <xelister> Kiba: is there some /free/ /thumbnail/ or something
379 2010-11-22 03:54:45 <xelister> :)
380 2010-11-22 03:54:50 Diablo-D3 has joined
381 2010-11-22 03:55:26 <Kiba> I don't know. I have not put up a gallery yet.
382 2010-11-22 03:56:30 <OneFixt> ;;bc,stats
383 2010-11-22 03:56:33 <gribble> Current Blocks: 93207 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94752 | Next Difficulty In: 1545 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 2 hours, 1 minute, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6646.65770304
384 2010-11-22 04:08:34 <Diablo-D3> huh
385 2010-11-22 04:08:35 <xelister> diff will be lower?
386 2010-11-22 04:08:37 <Diablo-D3> this is interesting
387 2010-11-22 04:08:44 <Diablo-D3> the way I coded my miner
388 2010-11-22 04:08:44 <xelister> happened before
389 2010-11-22 04:08:55 <Diablo-D3> there is no penalty for low framerates
390 2010-11-22 04:09:06 <Diablo-D3> because it never blocks X
391 2010-11-22 04:09:06 <xelister> hm?
392 2010-11-22 04:09:10 <Diablo-D3> it only blocks my app
393 2010-11-22 04:09:11 <xelister> need -f 120 to work smoothly
394 2010-11-22 04:09:19 <Diablo-D3> xelister: not on my hardware.
395 2010-11-22 04:09:21 <xelister> if default or -f 30
396 2010-11-22 04:09:26 <xelister> then it APPEARS to work smoothly
397 2010-11-22 04:09:28 <xelister> but
398 2010-11-22 04:09:46 <xelister> if you move mouse cursor a lot, in example in front of kde apps like kmail, THEN it slows down (huh?) and cpu usage goes to max
399 2010-11-22 04:09:54 <xelister> on -f 120 all is fine
400 2010-11-22 04:09:55 <Diablo-D3> hrm
401 2010-11-22 04:10:00 <Diablo-D3> well -f 60 SHOULD be fine
402 2010-11-22 04:10:13 <xelister> perhaps it is fine as well
403 2010-11-22 04:10:15 <Diablo-D3> but qt is probably fucking up
404 2010-11-22 04:10:29 <xelister> well by slowing down I ment
405 2010-11-22 04:10:40 <xelister> slow down as shit CAN'T HIT SHIT SIR
406 2010-11-22 04:10:49 <Diablo-D3> yeah bu
407 2010-11-22 04:10:50 <Diablo-D3> but
408 2010-11-22 04:11:07 <Diablo-D3> drive up the global work size to say 30 seconds worth
409 2010-11-22 04:11:11 <Diablo-D3> my mouse still moves
410 2010-11-22 04:11:13 <Diablo-D3> but
411 2010-11-22 04:11:16 <Diablo-D3> control c it
412 2010-11-22 04:11:21 <Diablo-D3> it locks x up for a minute
413 2010-11-22 04:11:27 <Diablo-D3> until the work is done
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415 2010-11-22 04:14:34 <Diablo-D3> xelister: on m0's, it seems to lock up after every queue execution because he runs enqueue read using blocking
416 2010-11-22 04:15:34 <xelister> btw so your mine ris not really
417 2010-11-22 04:15:39 <xelister> faster or lower cpu usage then m0m's
418 2010-11-22 04:15:54 <xelister> Im probably picking it, since java apppears more portable for this task
419 2010-11-22 04:16:02 <Diablo-D3> its probably due to mine is more efficient
420 2010-11-22 04:16:28 <xelister> I dont see it being more efficient
421 2010-11-22 04:16:36 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt seem to rape 2D
422 2010-11-22 04:17:03 <xelister> nor does m0m's ...
423 2010-11-22 04:17:10 <Diablo-D3> m0's does for me
424 2010-11-22 04:17:16 <xelister> hm. I didnt yet compared what happens on movie/flash
425 2010-11-22 04:17:33 <xelister> m0m was hanging flash after few minutes regardless of -f -w. BUT that was sdk 1.2
426 2010-11-22 04:18:02 <xelister> perhaps 1.1 fixes both miners in this area
427 2010-11-22 04:18:15 <xelister> btw why sdk 1.2 is worse :( we need to email Ati about this
428 2010-11-22 04:18:31 <Diablo-D3> its not "worse"
429 2010-11-22 04:18:40 <Diablo-D3> radeon drivers internally use an event system
430 2010-11-22 04:18:41 <xelister> RAGE EMAIL .. RAGEON gets on my nerves!!1111
431 2010-11-22 04:18:53 <Diablo-D3> all they did was glue that to the part of the sdk that exposes it for opencl
432 2010-11-22 04:19:14 <xelister> so why with 1.2 all sucks
433 2010-11-22 04:19:46 <xelister> both miner uses cpu, m0m's 100%, yours 200% (btw m0m is better here, since it uses less cpu BUT STILL devliveres full 160M)
434 2010-11-22 04:20:18 <Diablo-D3> xelister: not less
435 2010-11-22 04:20:28 <Diablo-D3> m0's is just merely not multiple threads
436 2010-11-22 04:20:34 <xelister> Diablo-D3: if I make hcanges locally then how to give you my changes; or how to if I fork your poject&how
437 2010-11-22 04:20:55 <Diablo-D3> read the github manual
438 2010-11-22 04:21:05 <Diablo-D3> xelister: btw, on multi-card setups
439 2010-11-22 04:21:10 <Diablo-D3> you have to run more than one m0
440 2010-11-22 04:21:16 <Diablo-D3> thus you're STILL getting 200% cpu usage
441 2010-11-22 04:21:18 <Diablo-D3> no matter what
442 2010-11-22 04:21:24 <xelister> Diablo-D3: in the end 100% cpu not 200% cpu is eaten, that is better, right? and that extra cpu burned (200%>100%) is not needed apparently since both give 160M. Also apparaently sdk1.2 sucks since 1.1 allows same 160M with ~0% cpu
443 2010-11-22 04:21:28 <Diablo-D3> see above
444 2010-11-22 04:22:07 * Kiba is a bit frustrated today
445 2010-11-22 04:22:43 <xelister> Kiba: why
446 2010-11-22 04:23:06 <Diablo-D3> xelister: understand why?
447 2010-11-22 04:23:22 <Diablo-D3> any thread that blocks on something isnt actually blocking
448 2010-11-22 04:23:36 <Diablo-D3> its blocking waiting for a signal in the same app from a thread I didnt start, but the sdk did
449 2010-11-22 04:23:44 <Diablo-D3> its actually not a bad design at all
450 2010-11-22 04:23:53 <Diablo-D3> but they coded something wrong somewhere
451 2010-11-22 04:23:58 <Diablo-D3> they really should just be using libevent for this
452 2010-11-22 04:24:03 <Kiba> xelister: gettingstuck
453 2010-11-22 04:24:26 <xelister> Diablo-D3: (im a bit afk) but in the end, on 1 card and sdk 1.2 m0m uses 100% cpu and you use 200% both 160m
454 2010-11-22 04:24:42 <Diablo-D3> xelister: yes, but get multiple cards
455 2010-11-22 04:24:51 <Diablo-D3> thus bam, you get it like everyone else does.
456 2010-11-22 04:25:28 <Diablo-D3> xelister: imagine how nuts it'd be if you ran a setup like art does
457 2010-11-22 04:25:42 <Diablo-D3> like 8 m0s, and up to 8 cores 100%.
458 2010-11-22 04:25:49 <Diablo-D3> I think he only has 4, but you get the point
459 2010-11-22 04:26:07 <Diablo-D3> 2.1 is the only solution for ANYBODY's miner
460 2010-11-22 04:26:12 <Diablo-D3> art's, mine, m0's
461 2010-11-22 04:26:36 <xelister> ok so yours is better for more card
462 2010-11-22 04:26:37 <xelister> s
463 2010-11-22 04:26:41 <xelister> good thing indeed
464 2010-11-22 04:26:56 <ArtForz> there is no way to et decent multiGPU perf out of SDK2.2 openCL
465 2010-11-22 04:26:57 <Diablo-D3> better in the sense you only need to run client, yes
466 2010-11-22 04:27:15 <Diablo-D3> xelister: otherwise, on 2.2, both mine and m0 consumes all cpu time due to how the sdk was coded
467 2010-11-22 04:27:23 <ArtForz> SDK2.1 oCL works, so does SDK 2.1 and 2.2 CAL
468 2010-11-22 04:27:36 <Diablo-D3> they must be busy waiting inside somewhere
469 2010-11-22 04:27:40 <Diablo-D3> has to be
470 2010-11-22 04:27:49 <Diablo-D3> should be actually blocking
471 2010-11-22 04:27:52 <ArtForz> funny enough, even 2.2 oCL on windows doesnt have the 100% CPU and multiGPU probs
472 2010-11-22 04:27:53 <Diablo-D3> and its not
473 2010-11-22 04:27:59 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: yeah but
474 2010-11-22 04:28:07 <Diablo-D3> I bet its because they couldnt figure out the correct linux function
475 2010-11-22 04:28:12 <Diablo-D3> EVERYONE should use libevent
476 2010-11-22 04:28:23 <Diablo-D3> its just magical
477 2010-11-22 04:28:37 <ArtForz> yeah, they probably fucked synchronization up somewhere
478 2010-11-22 04:28:38 nx2059 has joined
479 2010-11-22 04:28:58 <ArtForz> thus 100% CPU and serialized kernel execution over multiple GPUs
480 2010-11-22 04:29:42 <ArtForz> btw, driver 10.11 is out
481 2010-11-22 04:30:04 <Diablo-D3> already?!
482 2010-11-22 04:30:31 <ArtForz> yup
483 2010-11-22 04:30:48 <Diablo-D3> hrm, my worksize code is seriously defficient
484 2010-11-22 04:32:24 <albatross> anyone running their stuff headless on linux?
485 2010-11-22 04:32:41 <Diablo-D3> albatross: art does... but realize headless still requires x running
486 2010-11-22 04:33:48 * Diablo-D3 's card is running steady at 74.9
487 2010-11-22 04:33:51 <albatross> yea...x has to run. however, it doesn't actually have to output to an actual monitor, right? it could go to some virtual screen
488 2010-11-22 04:33:59 <Diablo-D3> after fixing the broken worksize code
489 2010-11-22 04:34:09 <Diablo-D3> albatross: "virtual"? no
490 2010-11-22 04:34:13 <Diablo-D3> it still "outputs"
491 2010-11-22 04:34:23 <Diablo-D3> theres just no monitor plugged in
492 2010-11-22 04:34:51 <ArtForz> fun: the release notes for 10.11 arent out yet
493 2010-11-22 04:35:08 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: Im only interested in sdk 2.3 anyhow
494 2010-11-22 04:35:13 <Diablo-D3> which is supposed to be out in dec
495 2010-11-22 04:35:24 <albatross> lol...was looking for same artforz...thought i was just not seeing it
496 2010-11-22 04:35:41 <Diablo-D3> there cant be much fixed in 10.11 that interests us
497 2010-11-22 04:36:42 <ArtForz> maybe they added 68xx support to aticonfig
498 2010-11-22 04:36:51 <Diablo-D3> that'd be useful
499 2010-11-22 04:36:59 <Kiba> driver 10.11?
500 2010-11-22 04:37:03 <ArtForz> yea
501 2010-11-22 04:37:04 <Diablo-D3> and they COULD have possibly optimized some of the opencl stuff for 68xx
502 2010-11-22 04:37:10 <Kiba> what is it?
503 2010-11-22 04:37:18 <Diablo-D3> KingGurke: catalyst
504 2010-11-22 04:37:19 <Diablo-D3> er
505 2010-11-22 04:37:20 <Diablo-D3> Kiba:
506 2010-11-22 04:37:38 <albatross> so diablo, i'd still run 'startx' and it would work without any display set up? (lol...never even thought to try)
507 2010-11-22 04:37:44 <ArtForz> I still doubt 6870 will ever be faster than 5850 for mining
508 2010-11-22 04:37:46 <Diablo-D3> albatross: erm, yes
509 2010-11-22 04:37:54 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: it COULD be
510 2010-11-22 04:38:04 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: but the only way I think thats happening is after sdk 2.3 comes out
511 2010-11-22 04:38:06 <ArtForz> it simply doesnt have the # of ALUs required
512 2010-11-22 04:38:31 <Diablo-D3> yes, but the ALUs may have been secretly painted in the color red
513 2010-11-22 04:38:36 <Diablo-D3> so they'll run 3x faster
514 2010-11-22 04:38:53 <ArtForz> ahhh... no wonder
515 2010-11-22 04:39:05 <xelister> how fast are 68xx
516 2010-11-22 04:39:09 <ArtForz> not very fast
517 2010-11-22 04:39:22 <Diablo-D3> xelister: for 3d, just as fast as their matching 58xx
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519 2010-11-22 04:39:33 <Diablo-D3> xelister: but the die is smaller, there are less pipes, it costs less, it uses less watts
520 2010-11-22 04:39:40 <Diablo-D3> so its a pretty good optimization job
521 2010-11-22 04:39:42 <ArtForz> for mining, not so much
522 2010-11-22 04:39:52 <Diablo-D3> mining is a veery weird side case
523 2010-11-22 04:40:02 <Diablo-D3> like, run an opencl app that rapes memory bandwidth... it'd still run as fast
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525 2010-11-22 04:40:12 <Diablo-D3> becayse 68xx use it more efficiently
526 2010-11-22 04:40:38 <ArtForz> 5770=680Gop/s, 6850=744Gop, 5830=896Gop, 5850=1044Gop, 5870=1360Gop
527 2010-11-22 04:40:52 <ArtForz> missed the 6870
528 2010-11-22 04:40:54 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: you forgot 6870
529 2010-11-22 04:41:08 <ArtForz> 5770=680Gop/s, 6850=744Gop, 5830=896Gop, 6870=1008Gop, 5850=1044Gop, 5870=1360Gop
530 2010-11-22 04:41:16 <Diablo-D3> and also, you have to skew those numbers per watt
531 2010-11-22 04:41:30 <Diablo-D3> 6870 uses less watts than 5870
532 2010-11-22 04:41:35 <ArtForz> 5850 151W, 6870 151W
533 2010-11-22 04:42:02 <Diablo-D3> yeah, and they score basically identically on mining
534 2010-11-22 04:42:18 <ArtForz> so yay, slightly less integer throughput for the same power
535 2010-11-22 04:42:44 <Diablo-D3> I consider 1008 and 1044 == for dick size comparisons
536 2010-11-22 04:42:50 <ArtForz> yep
537 2010-11-22 04:43:03 <Diablo-D3> but you get far more 3D performance
538 2010-11-22 04:43:06 <Diablo-D3> which is the great part
539 2010-11-22 04:43:32 <ArtForz> and they use a die about halfway between juniper and cypress in size
540 2010-11-22 04:43:52 <ArtForz> and slower memory, so they SHOULD be cheaper than 58xx
541 2010-11-22 04:44:00 <Diablo-D3> btw, the price is great
542 2010-11-22 04:44:53 <Diablo-D3> non-shit 6870 is $250, non-shit 5850 is $200
543 2010-11-22 04:45:09 <Diablo-D3> well, $220, but has a $20 rebate
544 2010-11-22 04:45:24 <ArtForz> isn't progress great?
545 2010-11-22 04:45:39 <Diablo-D3> and a non-shit 5870 is $270 after rebate, $300 before
546 2010-11-22 04:45:51 <Diablo-D3> so I'd still buy a 6870 before a 5850
547 2010-11-22 04:46:05 <ArtForz> cheaper chip, cheaper memory, cheaper VRMs, higher price
548 2010-11-22 04:46:17 <Diablo-D3> well, it just came out
549 2010-11-22 04:46:19 <ArtForz> 6870 has way better gaming perf than 5850
550 2010-11-22 04:46:28 <ArtForz> but then, I am not gaming on these
551 2010-11-22 04:46:32 <Diablo-D3> you may someday
552 2010-11-22 04:46:35 <Diablo-D3> mining wont last forever
553 2010-11-22 04:46:55 <ArtForz> my gaming boxes now all have either 5870s or dual 5770s
554 2010-11-22 04:47:11 <Diablo-D3> yeah, but you'll get rid of those
555 2010-11-22 04:47:18 <Diablo-D3> when you upgrade to 69xx
556 2010-11-22 04:47:25 <ArtForz> and as most of em are quad-core phenoms a gfx update wont make much sense
557 2010-11-22 04:49:15 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: but you REALLY want to
558 2010-11-22 04:49:17 <Diablo-D3> wait
559 2010-11-22 04:49:20 <Diablo-D3> "gaming boxes"
560 2010-11-22 04:49:21 <Diablo-D3> plural?!
561 2010-11-22 04:49:23 <Diablo-D3> wtf man
562 2010-11-22 04:50:16 <ArtForz> what?
563 2010-11-22 04:50:23 <Diablo-D3> why do you have more than one
564 2010-11-22 04:50:36 <ArtForz> hosting small LANs
565 2010-11-22 04:50:40 <Diablo-D3> lol
566 2010-11-22 04:50:51 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: but still
567 2010-11-22 04:51:01 <Diablo-D3> arent you going to buy a bunch of 69xx if they work well?
568 2010-11-22 04:51:06 <ArtForz> probably
569 2010-11-22 04:51:14 <Diablo-D3> thus, all your 5770s go away
570 2010-11-22 04:51:20 <Diablo-D3> and 5870s
571 2010-11-22 04:51:26 <ArtForz> I only have 3 5770s left for mining
572 2010-11-22 04:51:32 <Diablo-D3> it'll be all 5970 hand-me-downs
573 2010-11-22 04:52:06 X0nic has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
574 2010-11-22 04:52:15 <anarchy> ;;bc,estimate
575 2010-11-22 04:52:16 <gribble> 6626.88297159
576 2010-11-22 04:52:32 <ArtForz> and with the next batch of 5970s another 2 5770s will get relieved of mining duty
577 2010-11-22 04:52:58 <Diablo-D3> heh
578 2010-11-22 04:53:13 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: you should still give me one of your 5970s :<
579 2010-11-22 04:54:09 <ArtForz> btw, that estimate is low
580 2010-11-22 04:54:19 <ArtForz> my calc says estnextdiff 6650
581 2010-11-22 04:54:27 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc
582 2010-11-22 04:54:27 <gribble> Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
583 2010-11-22 04:54:29 <Diablo-D3> er
584 2010-11-22 04:54:35 <Diablo-D3> whats the one that prints it all out
585 2010-11-22 04:54:52 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,stats
586 2010-11-22 04:54:54 <gribble> Current Blocks: 93211 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94752 | Next Difficulty In: 1541 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 2 hours, 8 minutes, and 7 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6626.88297159
587 2010-11-22 04:54:56 <Diablo-D3> ahaa
588 2010-11-22 04:55:08 <ArtForz> yeah
589 2010-11-22 04:55:12 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: I think next week its going to tie
590 2010-11-22 04:55:29 <Diablo-D3> so low or not, we're not going anywhere
591 2010-11-22 04:55:35 <ArtForz> I think I see the problem, it divides by +1
592 2010-11-22 04:55:52 <Diablo-D3> as opposed to -1?
593 2010-11-22 04:56:33 <ArtForz> or maybe not... shrug
594 2010-11-22 04:57:08 <ArtForz> now that the TX flood has stopped speed *should* pick up again
595 2010-11-22 05:05:42 * Diablo-D3 tries -f 2 on his new code
596 2010-11-22 05:06:35 <ArtForz> btw, I am kinda fascinated with funny lib names
597 2010-11-22 05:06:50 <Diablo-D3> libiberty
598 2010-11-22 05:06:53 <ArtForz> yep
599 2010-11-22 05:06:59 <Diablo-D3> libpron
600 2010-11-22 05:07:12 <Diablo-D3> thats all I can think of
601 2010-11-22 05:07:31 <ArtForz> libuser
602 2010-11-22 05:07:33 <Kiba> liberal
603 2010-11-22 05:07:48 <Diablo-D3> Kiba: that would have to be libiberal
604 2010-11-22 05:07:53 <Diablo-D3> otherwise it makes no sense
605 2010-11-22 05:07:55 <ArtForz> yeah, whats the fun in -leral ?
606 2010-11-22 05:08:16 <Kiba> libbot
607 2010-11-22 05:10:32 <Diablo-D3> hrm
608 2010-11-22 05:10:34 sgornick has joined
609 2010-11-22 05:10:39 <Diablo-D3> with -f 2
610 2010-11-22 05:10:48 <Diablo-D3> it only seems to be running around 74.5 :<
611 2010-11-22 05:11:05 * Diablo-D3 might have to find even faster ways
612 2010-11-22 05:11:28 <anarchy> ertarian sounds a lot cooler ;)
613 2010-11-22 05:12:39 remmy_ has joined
614 2010-11-22 05:12:51 <Kiba> a bunch of crazed anarchists aren't we?
615 2010-11-22 05:24:23 hippich_ has joined
616 2010-11-22 05:29:20 uberjar has joined
617 2010-11-22 05:29:30 <uberjar> do any of you guys remember e-cache ?
618 2010-11-22 05:29:35 <uberjar> why do you think it failed ?
619 2010-11-22 05:29:50 <uberjar> and how is bitcoin going to overcome the same problems
620 2010-11-22 05:29:51 <joe_1> it was backed by one person
621 2010-11-22 05:30:04 <uberjar> it was backed by real gold
622 2010-11-22 05:30:09 <uberjar> controlled by one person
623 2010-11-22 05:30:51 <uberjar> but yea I see what you mean. With bitcoin people feel like that are joining a party not just using some guys' anonymous bank
624 2010-11-22 05:30:53 <kermit> does the standard bitcoin client still connect to an irc server?
625 2010-11-22 05:31:06 <ArtForz> if it can, yes
626 2010-11-22 05:31:19 <ArtForz> otherwise it falls back to a list of hardcoded seed nodes
627 2010-11-22 05:31:32 <kermit> why? a lot of people are deterred by that for several reasons
628 2010-11-22 05:31:44 <uberjar> IRC traffic looks just like bottnet traffic
629 2010-11-22 05:31:48 <uberjar> botnet
630 2010-11-22 05:32:03 <ArtForz> it's a simple protocol, it works, it doesnt need dedicated infrastructure
631 2010-11-22 05:32:17 <uberjar> some huge percentage of botnets use irc protocol
632 2010-11-22 05:32:26 <ArtForz> not really anymore
633 2010-11-22 05:32:28 <kermit> yeah, it looks like a botnet, it eliminates some level of anonymity by everyone seing everyone's IP online, and it makes it appear to not be fully distributed when it is
634 2010-11-22 05:32:31 <Kiba> uberjar: you don't need to trust that person.
635 2010-11-22 05:32:47 <ArtForz> most botnets nowadays moved to encrypted p2p
636 2010-11-22 05:35:15 <ArtForz> we dont have "IP anonymity" anyways, your IP is broadcast over the p2p net the moment your node connects, this isn't a darknet
637 2010-11-22 05:35:29 * uberjar tries to remember how bittorent magnet urls work
638 2010-11-22 05:35:50 <ArtForz> its the good old bootstrapping problem
639 2010-11-22 05:36:50 <ArtForz> easiest fix would probably be a user-editable version of the hardcoded IP list
640 2010-11-22 05:37:54 <ArtForz> once the node makes its first connection it receives enough peer addresses immediately
641 2010-11-22 05:39:43 <Diablo-D3> back
642 2010-11-22 05:39:48 <uberjar> but what happens when that IP list goes stale ?
643 2010-11-22 05:40:30 <ArtForz> yeah, not like theres a new release every few days
644 2010-11-22 05:41:04 <ArtForz> not to mention we have plenty of stable public nodes on servers
645 2010-11-22 05:41:43 <ArtForz> theres even a wiki page
646 2010-11-22 05:43:16 <uberjar> so in theory an attacker would have to DDOS all of the IPs in the hardcoded list along with bitcoin's website in order to break the network
647 2010-11-22 05:43:38 <Diablo-D3> uberjar: no
648 2010-11-22 05:43:40 <ArtForz> all he'd do is stop new clients from joining
649 2010-11-22 05:43:42 <Diablo-D3> they have to nuke the irc network too
650 2010-11-22 05:44:09 <uberjar> I see
651 2010-11-22 05:44:23 <ArtForz> once a client has built a list of node addrs it keeps it
652 2010-11-22 05:45:24 <kermit> ArtForz: it has one -addnode=<ip> Add a node to connect to
653 2010-11-22 05:45:43 <ArtForz> yeah, but thats not exactly user friendly
654 2010-11-22 05:45:52 <kermit> oh you mean in the GUI.. yeah that'd be good.
655 2010-11-22 05:46:04 <ArtForz> or something like a seednodes.txt in the data dir
656 2010-11-22 05:47:17 <ArtForz> but then... we only need it for initial bootstrapping, a hardcoded list should work fine
657 2010-11-22 05:52:10 <djoot> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN-2uYn9q40
658 2010-11-22 05:52:45 <Diablo-D3> hrm
659 2010-11-22 05:52:58 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: I fixed a bug at some point :D
660 2010-11-22 05:53:06 <Diablo-D3> I just tried gpu and cpu at the same time
661 2010-11-22 05:53:17 <Diablo-D3> Im now getting 77.5 mhash :D
662 2010-11-22 05:55:01 * remmy_ switches the coin generation off. Waste of money without GPU.
663 2010-11-22 05:59:27 <bryogenic> has anyone tried out the aws gpu class ec2?
664 2010-11-22 05:59:36 <Diablo-D3> its useless
665 2010-11-22 05:59:42 <Diablo-D3> ec2 is already overpriced shit
666 2010-11-22 05:59:49 <nanotube> bryogenic: i hear they use nvidias, and it's expensive... so it doesn't make economic sense.
667 2010-11-22 05:59:53 <Diablo-D3> now its EXTRA ovepriced
668 2010-11-22 05:59:59 <Diablo-D3> yeah, they use nvidia shit
669 2010-11-22 06:00:00 <Diablo-D3> its retarded
670 2010-11-22 06:00:08 <bryogenic> yea figured
671 2010-11-22 06:00:10 <Diablo-D3> say hello to 5x slower mining
672 2010-11-22 06:00:59 <bryogenic> im suckered in for thier free micro for a year tho
673 2010-11-22 06:01:27 <nanotube> well if it's free, that's another thing entirely. :)
674 2010-11-22 06:01:50 <Diablo-D3> no
675 2010-11-22 06:01:58 <Diablo-D3> their smallest normal ec2 instance was free for a year for new customers
676 2010-11-22 06:02:23 <nanotube> hm... still, free is good, even if it's cpu
677 2010-11-22 06:02:41 <nanotube> you might get all of a block out of it... but so what. it's free. :)
678 2010-11-22 06:02:53 <Diablo-D3> the cpu usage limit is so low, you might get a block out of the whole year
679 2010-11-22 06:02:58 <bryogenic> it only gets about 500khps and it throws their cpu scaling tis up
680 2010-11-22 06:03:18 <bryogenic> tits*
681 2010-11-22 06:03:25 <nanotube> hey, free 50 btc is free 50 btc.
682 2010-11-22 06:03:35 <Diablo-D3> heh
683 2010-11-22 06:03:38 <Diablo-D3> for NEW customers only
684 2010-11-22 06:03:43 <Diablo-D3> ergo, I cant get one
685 2010-11-22 06:04:08 <bryogenic> yea i grabbed a prepaid credit to start a new account
686 2010-11-22 06:04:15 <ArtForz> well, at 500khps you might as well run it on a ti-84
687 2010-11-22 06:04:23 <Diablo-D3> s/84/89/
688 2010-11-22 06:04:25 <Diablo-D3> :D
689 2010-11-22 06:04:28 <nanotube> ;;bc,calc 500
690 2010-11-22 06:04:30 * Diablo-D3 plays super mario brothers clone
691 2010-11-22 06:04:31 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 500 Khps, given current difficulty of 6866.89864897 , is 1 year, 45 weeks, 2 days, 17 hours, 3 minutes, and 30 seconds
692 2010-11-22 06:04:39 <Diablo-D3> HAHAHA
693 2010-11-22 06:04:41 <Diablo-D3> I WAS RIGHT
694 2010-11-22 06:04:44 <nanotube> so... you might get lucky :)
695 2010-11-22 06:04:45 <Diablo-D3> [12:55:07] <Diablo-D3> the cpu usage limit is so low, you might get a block out of the whole year
696 2010-11-22 06:04:48 <bryogenic> hahah dead on
697 2010-11-22 06:04:49 <Diablo-D3> HAHAHAH
698 2010-11-22 06:04:54 <ArtForz> 2 years
699 2010-11-22 06:05:00 <Diablo-D3> oh woah!
700 2010-11-22 06:05:03 <Diablo-D3> 45 weeks!
701 2010-11-22 06:05:05 <Diablo-D3> its even worse!
702 2010-11-22 06:05:12 <nanotube> yep. almost 2 yrs
703 2010-11-22 06:05:15 <Diablo-D3> holy shit
704 2010-11-22 06:05:19 <Diablo-D3> my snark wasnt strong enough
705 2010-11-22 06:05:20 <ArtForz> so on average 27 btc/year or so
706 2010-11-22 06:05:24 * Diablo-D3 needs to dial that up
707 2010-11-22 06:05:39 <ArtForz> which at current market rates is... about $7.50
708 2010-11-22 06:06:23 <nanotube> mm yea there are probably more profitable things you can do with that instance, which would generate more than 7.50 over the course of the year.
709 2010-11-22 06:06:26 <CIA-106> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * rf7cf468 / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Updated worksize management code to increase faster early on - http://bit.ly/bJUdZS
710 2010-11-22 06:06:43 <bryogenic> ill stick to using my free micro as a proxy and compression to speed up my phone internet thx
711 2010-11-22 06:07:08 <Diablo-D3> wheres xelister
712 2010-11-22 06:07:26 <nanotube> ;;seen xelister
713 2010-11-22 06:07:26 <gribble> xelister was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 1 hour, 28 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <xelister> how fast are 68xx
714 2010-11-22 06:08:49 <Diablo-D3> meh
715 2010-11-22 06:09:32 <jgarzik> does anybody have an IP address for a node on the test network?
716 2010-11-22 06:10:28 <nanotube> jgarzik: theymos's node is on test, iirc
717 2010-11-22 06:14:40 <xelister> Diablo-D3: I'm in your girlfriends bedroom
718 2010-11-22 06:14:54 <xelister> Diablo-D3: shuush, Im in a closet - her other boyfriend just shown up too
719 2010-11-22 06:14:57 <xelister> >_>
720 2010-11-22 06:15:23 <xelister> Diablo-D3: im a bit bussy temporarly, but write I usually read log
721 2010-11-22 06:15:38 <Diablo-D3> xelister: try newest git
722 2010-11-22 06:15:43 <Diablo-D3> might fix your slow issues
723 2010-11-22 06:15:59 <xelister> whats the cmd like "svn up" and how to view diff since last version?
724 2010-11-22 06:16:15 <Diablo-D3> git pull
725 2010-11-22 06:16:27 davex__ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
726 2010-11-22 06:16:33 <Diablo-D3> and just use github to view stuff
727 2010-11-22 06:16:33 <xelister> Diablo-D3: btw, just using the correcdt CL (change in source + mev clean package) fixes it (I think it may be 1-2% slower) UNDER SDK 1.1. under 1.2 we have high incredibly cpu but this is other toppic I suppose
728 2010-11-22 06:16:35 <Diablo-D3> its easier
729 2010-11-22 06:16:46 <Diablo-D3> you mean 2.1 and 2.2
730 2010-11-22 06:16:50 <xelister> Diablo-D3: hmm how to get curren version? like svn info ?
731 2010-11-22 06:16:56 <xelister> and then like svn diff -r 12345:HEAD
732 2010-11-22 06:17:07 <xelister> yeap, 2.1 vs 2.2 sdk
733 2010-11-22 06:17:37 <Diablo-D3> I think you want git show
734 2010-11-22 06:18:00 <xelister> will this version auto detect correcdt CL or do I have to edit again?
735 2010-11-22 06:18:06 <xelister> or runtime optin
736 2010-11-22 06:18:07 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt yet
737 2010-11-22 06:18:11 <Diablo-D3> Im working on cleaning something up first
738 2010-11-22 06:18:20 <xelister> k
739 2010-11-22 06:18:23 <Diablo-D3> xelister: if you git pull, you wont have to edit again until I break it
740 2010-11-22 06:18:32 <xelister> btw
741 2010-11-22 06:18:44 <xelister> on windows, where is SDK installed? is there problem with export SDKPATCH shit too?
742 2010-11-22 06:18:58 <Diablo-D3> read the sdk install manual
743 2010-11-22 06:18:59 <xelister> or just tell users "Go get catalyst+SDK and install that" and that is all?
744 2010-11-22 06:19:13 <Diablo-D3> and yes, if they get the driver that has the sdk runtime in it, they dont have to install the runtime
745 2010-11-22 06:19:52 <Diablo-D3> xelister: if you really wanna be useful, make a batch file that runs this shit on windows and accepts args
746 2010-11-22 06:20:14 <Diablo-D3> batches CAN accept args, but I dont feel like looking at obscure msdn pages to figure out how
747 2010-11-22 06:20:36 <xelister> yey git show 1332a67..f7cf468
748 2010-11-22 06:20:45 <Diablo-D3> you can just run git show with no args
749 2010-11-22 06:21:15 <xelister> Diablo-D3: windows dev. wants me puke
750 2010-11-22 06:21:26 <xelister> ;)
751 2010-11-22 06:21:32 <Diablo-D3> me too
752 2010-11-22 06:21:41 <Diablo-D3> thats why everyone on windows can just run the command manually
753 2010-11-22 06:21:52 <jgarzik> whee, testnet block download. quite slow compared to main chain... because the test net is actually used :)
754 2010-11-22 06:22:20 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: because theres no one on the testnet =P\
755 2010-11-22 06:22:22 <jgarzik> each block is 50k, rather than a generate-only TX
756 2010-11-22 06:22:34 <xelister> git did not touch the files I touched it seems
757 2010-11-22 06:22:49 <xelister> how to list local modifications
758 2010-11-22 06:23:03 <Diablo-D3> git status
759 2010-11-22 06:23:07 <jgarzik> xelister: git status
760 2010-11-22 06:23:31 <xelister> ahhh indeed. Sorry Im blind. I tried that command and was like, woah usage manual, must had entered invalid command 8-|
761 2010-11-22 06:23:40 * xelister makes coffey
762 2010-11-22 06:25:03 <xelister> after rm on files
763 2010-11-22 06:25:12 <xelister> and git pull git did not restore files I killed. how to
764 2010-11-22 06:25:54 <nanotube> git checkout .
765 2010-11-22 06:26:09 <xelister> git checko.. oh
766 2010-11-22 06:29:15 <Diablo-D3> xelister: you could always do git revert HEAD
767 2010-11-22 06:29:32 <Diablo-D3> or the real fun trick, HEAD^# where # is a number
768 2010-11-22 06:29:44 AAA_awright_ has joined
769 2010-11-22 06:29:46 <Diablo-D3> moves it to # commits previous
770 2010-11-22 06:30:02 <Diablo-D3> er ~ not %
771 2010-11-22 06:30:07 <Diablo-D3> er ~ not ^
772 2010-11-22 06:30:29 AAA_awright has quit (Disconnected by services)
773 2010-11-22 06:30:38 AAA_awright_ is now known as AAA_awright
774 2010-11-22 06:31:50 <xelister> diablo's: 157M m0m's: 151M at radeon5770 stock (850MHz)
775 2010-11-22 06:32:05 <xelister> diablo's: 157M m0m's: 151M at radeon5770 stock (850MHz) - ubuntu 10.10 with idle desktop, quad core
776 2010-11-22 06:32:51 <Diablo-D3> wee
777 2010-11-22 06:32:57 <xelister> \o/
778 2010-11-22 06:33:31 <xelister> using -w 128 to both, changed CL for 5xxx radeons, and some -f 30 and stronger -f 120 to diablos
779 2010-11-22 06:34:10 <xelister> both using SDK 2.1
780 2010-11-22 06:34:50 <xelister> so what was the problem?
781 2010-11-22 06:34:50 <Diablo-D3> 128 is faster for you?
782 2010-11-22 06:35:10 <xelister> it is the same +/-, but I think it is more friendly to possible other GPU tasks on box
783 2010-11-22 06:35:16 <Diablo-D3> its not
784 2010-11-22 06:35:20 <Diablo-D3> its actually less friendly
785 2010-11-22 06:35:24 <xelister> hmm??
786 2010-11-22 06:35:26 <Diablo-D3> 64 SHOULD be faster
787 2010-11-22 06:35:30 <Diablo-D3> and btw
788 2010-11-22 06:35:34 <Diablo-D3> theres no such thing as friendly
789 2010-11-22 06:35:39 <Diablo-D3> the driver doesnt usefully task switch
790 2010-11-22 06:35:47 <Diablo-D3> and it cant run multiple things at once
791 2010-11-22 06:35:50 Kiba has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
792 2010-11-22 06:36:07 <xelister> why 64 would be faster
793 2010-11-22 06:36:14 <Diablo-D3> -w controls local group size, which is how many items sent per wavefront
794 2010-11-22 06:36:22 <xelister> Diablo-D3: but perhaps it has less shit to cleanup on task swith
795 2010-11-22 06:36:24 <Diablo-D3> it has to be a multiple of 64 on ati hardware
796 2010-11-22 06:36:31 <Diablo-D3> xelister: well
797 2010-11-22 06:36:36 <xelister> ok perhaps not. im not expert at ocl
798 2010-11-22 06:36:37 <Diablo-D3> its there to hide memory latency issuies
799 2010-11-22 06:36:41 <Diablo-D3> however, we dont use memory
800 2010-11-22 06:36:51 <Diablo-D3> 64 for me and art is faster
801 2010-11-22 06:37:05 <Diablo-D3> the default is hardware maximum, which is 256
802 2010-11-22 06:37:12 <xelister> 64, 128, 256 are the same me, to 0.5% (and I dont care about smaller; )
803 2010-11-22 06:37:22 <Diablo-D3> xelister: just do 64 then
804 2010-11-22 06:37:26 <Diablo-D3> for that last tiny bit of speed =P
805 2010-11-22 06:37:31 <xelister> ok
806 2010-11-22 06:37:37 <xelister> it will steal your bitcoins
807 2010-11-22 06:37:39 <Diablo-D3> btw, both my and m0's defaults to -f 60
808 2010-11-22 06:37:49 <xelister> damn ndiigers! they toooook our joooobs
809 2010-11-22 06:37:54 <xelister> they took our jooooooobs
810 2010-11-22 06:37:57 <Diablo-D3> on m0's I need -f 120 to keep the desktop useful
811 2010-11-22 06:37:59 <Diablo-D3> and noowwww
812 2010-11-22 06:38:03 <Diablo-D3> I need -f 120 on mine
813 2010-11-22 06:38:07 * xelister finishes his wisky and goes home to beat up wife
814 2010-11-22 06:38:12 <xelister> THEY TOOOK OUR JOOOBS
815 2010-11-22 06:38:14 <Diablo-D3> so I think I finally fixed mine
816 2010-11-22 06:38:17 <Diablo-D3> oh shuddup xelister
817 2010-11-22 06:38:25 <Diablo-D3> racism is never funny
818 2010-11-22 06:38:27 * xelister throws pianist guy @ Diablo-D3
819 2010-11-22 06:38:31 <Diablo-D3> except when I do it
820 2010-11-22 06:38:42 <Diablo-D3> also, I'm John Wayne, are you sure you want to get in a bar fight with me?
821 2010-11-22 06:38:58 <xelister> damn diigerrs took my coiiins
822 2010-11-22 06:39:10 * xelister subscribs to some anti-miners whining threads
823 2010-11-22 06:39:32 * Diablo-D3 has xelister arrested for fingering a miner
824 2010-11-22 06:40:42 <xelister> you know what would funny project
825 2010-11-22 06:40:45 <xelister> bitcoins 2 hookers
826 2010-11-22 06:40:47 <xelister> and beer!
827 2010-11-22 06:40:52 <xelister> more beers & hookers
828 2010-11-22 06:40:56 <Diablo-D3> s/beer/blow/
829 2010-11-22 06:40:59 <Diablo-D3> hookers and blow.
830 2010-11-22 06:41:03 <xelister> legal in ~3 countries in EU, and like 1-2 states in USA
831 2010-11-22 06:41:15 <xelister> beer and bitches \o
832 2010-11-22 06:41:51 <xelister> do we have yet any trades that ship real-world phisical products for BTCs ?
833 2010-11-22 06:42:41 <Diablo-D3> no
834 2010-11-22 06:45:11 <xelister> so even the beer part is hard
835 2010-11-22 06:48:31 <Diablo-D3> also
836 2010-11-22 06:48:43 * Diablo-D3 is adding that fucking bitalign shit
837 2010-11-22 06:50:02 <xelister> yeah baby
838 2010-11-22 06:50:30 <xelister> would be nice to have switch like no/yes/auto auto would use that wiki list of core names
839 2010-11-22 06:50:50 <xelister> btw one more switch could be nice, to use also CPUs as renderer (i.e. for testing)
840 2010-11-22 06:50:50 <Diablo-D3> no
841 2010-11-22 06:50:55 <Diablo-D3> because then I have to detect if I'm on 2.1
842 2010-11-22 06:51:02 <xelister> hm?
843 2010-11-22 06:51:09 <Diablo-D3> force bitalign does nothing on 2.2
844 2010-11-22 06:51:36 <Diablo-D3> 2.2 already uses the hw bitalign without having to be told
845 2010-11-22 06:52:10 <xelister> but you said you recommend 2.1 sdk
846 2010-11-22 06:52:20 <xelister> and you are right, sdk 2.2 uses tons of cpu on all miners
847 2010-11-22 06:52:32 <xelister> also afair ArtForz noted 2.2 sucks for multigpu
848 2010-11-22 06:52:43 <Diablo-D3> I think you missed what I said
849 2010-11-22 06:52:50 <Diablo-D3> you know what the opencl normally looks like?
850 2010-11-22 06:52:53 <Diablo-D3> the normal rot function?
851 2010-11-22 06:53:00 <xelister> how?
852 2010-11-22 06:53:08 <Diablo-D3> #define rot(x, y) rotate(x, (u)y)
853 2010-11-22 06:53:22 <Diablo-D3> 2.2 automatically uses amd_bitalign for that
854 2010-11-22 06:53:27 <Diablo-D3> you ONLY need to force it on 2.1
855 2010-11-22 06:56:34 <Diablo-D3> understand now?
856 2010-11-22 06:57:01 <xelister> yea
857 2010-11-22 06:57:02 <joe_1> has anyone been in contact with privacy shark recently
858 2010-11-22 06:57:07 <xelister> but you overall recommend 2.1 right?
859 2010-11-22 06:57:11 <Diablo-D3> xelister: yes
860 2010-11-22 06:57:16 <Diablo-D3> xelister: thus Im bothering to add the flag
861 2010-11-22 06:57:20 <xelister> yeap
862 2010-11-22 06:57:25 <xelister> and can you make the flag be autodtect
863 2010-11-22 06:57:52 <xelister> well basically just Jupiter and this other 3
864 2010-11-22 06:58:09 <Diablo-D3> why bother
865 2010-11-22 06:58:15 <xelister> meh ok perhaps I will add it
866 2010-11-22 06:58:24 <Diablo-D3> no, I mean
867 2010-11-22 06:58:25 <jgarzik> joe_1: about a month ago or so, yes
868 2010-11-22 06:58:25 <Diablo-D3> why bother
869 2010-11-22 06:58:38 <Diablo-D3> xelister: if the end user is dumb, they're on windows and using the 2.2 included with the driver
870 2010-11-22 06:58:42 <jgarzik> joe_1: rather poor experience.. no interest in secure comm such as PGP email
871 2010-11-22 06:58:44 <Diablo-D3> they didnt install the sdk, they're not on linux
872 2010-11-22 06:58:50 <xelister> well anyway on windows,
873 2010-11-22 06:58:57 <xelister> we have to tell them to downgrade to 2.1 right?
874 2010-11-22 06:58:59 <Diablo-D3> on windows, 2.2 doesnt seem to have the bug
875 2010-11-22 06:59:08 <xelister> is there recent win driver but with 2.1 sdk?
876 2010-11-22 06:59:12 <xelister> ok
877 2010-11-22 06:59:22 <Diablo-D3> the first driver that shipped with the runtime is 10.10
878 2010-11-22 06:59:35 <xelister> jgarzik: if I would run such thing I would deffinatelly use pgp
879 2010-11-22 07:00:26 * jgarzik kicks testnet impatiently, demanding that it spew forth generated coins
880 2010-11-22 07:01:32 <joe_1> jgarzik ok, thanks. they have not responded to my emails in over a week now. i sent email to their on-site email address and to their name on bitcoin.org, which people have done in the past when they wouldnt respond to emails.
881 2010-11-22 07:03:50 <jgarzik> joe_1: yes, I had to go through a similar, convoluted process. Finally, I whined on the forum, other people apparently PM'd them "hey, this fellow says you're not responding", and eventually they responded.
882 2010-11-22 07:04:20 <jgarzik> joe_1: also, technically, they claimed to not have the capability to do something as simple as pointed a name to an A record containing 127.0.0.1.
883 2010-11-22 07:04:27 <jgarzik> pointing
884 2010-11-22 07:06:26 <joe_1> in the forum they also claim to be a "real business"; would not imagine a regular business not having some daily procedure of checking email inboxes and responding to customer questions on at least a daily basis
885 2010-11-22 07:06:54 <CIA-106> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * r2d41fe7 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Moved all cl source mutation to defines, added arg to force bitalign on - http://bit.ly/aRXhU3
886 2010-11-22 07:11:41 <Diablo-D3> xelister: there, now you can just do -a
887 2010-11-22 07:29:55 <OneFixt> ;;bc,stats
888 2010-11-22 07:29:57 <gribble> Current Blocks: 93240 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94752 | Next Difficulty In: 1512 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 13 hours, 47 minutes, and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6818.38237045
889 2010-11-22 07:31:14 <xelister> Diablo-D3: cool
890 2010-11-22 07:38:52 <jgarzik> dumb question... for the CPU miner in the stock client, what is -different- about each BitcoinMiner thread? Surely they do not all work on the same nonce at the same time, thereby duplicating work...?
891 2010-11-22 07:40:46 <OneFixt> ;;bc,estimate
892 2010-11-22 07:40:47 <gribble> 6825.72440739
893 2010-11-22 07:40:59 <ArtForz> the coinbase key
894 2010-11-22 07:46:30 <jgarzik> tnx
895 2010-11-22 07:48:34 * jgarzik receives a ping on the testnet :)
896 2010-11-22 07:57:44 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: huh?
897 2010-11-22 07:57:50 <Diablo-D3> why would they work on the same nonce?
898 2010-11-22 07:59:06 <OneFixt> ;;bc,estimate
899 2010-11-22 07:59:07 <gribble> 6843.08203991
900 2010-11-22 08:06:11 <OneFixt> ;;bc,estimate
901 2010-11-22 08:06:11 <gribble> 6843.08203991
902 2010-11-22 08:06:56 eureka^ has joined
903 2010-11-22 08:19:39 <OneFixt> ;;bc,stats
904 2010-11-22 08:19:41 <gribble> Current Blocks: 93246 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94752 | Next Difficulty In: 1506 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 12 hours, 25 minutes, and 22 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6828.19219744
905 2010-11-22 08:22:01 <xelister> That sounds like Data
906 2010-11-22 08:22:33 <xelister> at current speed we will reach Next Difficulty in 1 week 3 days 12 hours 18 minutes and 29 seconds, /approximatelly/
907 2010-11-22 08:28:46 jrabbit has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
908 2010-11-22 08:41:19 jrabbit has joined
909 2010-11-22 08:47:50 <OneFixt> ;;bc,stats
910 2010-11-22 08:47:54 <gribble> Current Blocks: 93251 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94752 | Next Difficulty In: 1501 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 10 hours, 31 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6856.88794693
911 2010-11-22 08:48:57 <OneFixt> anyone awake?
912 2010-11-22 08:49:41 <ne0futur> more or less
913 2010-11-22 08:49:52 <OneFixt> http://theymos.ath.cx:64150/bbe/
914 2010-11-22 08:49:59 <OneFixt> latest block has been generated EARLIER than the block before it
915 2010-11-22 08:50:08 <OneFixt> is there an attack going on?
916 2010-11-22 08:50:26 <ne0futur> the :64150 port forbids me to access
917 2010-11-22 08:50:41 <OneFixt> 93251 46c7ac741d... 2010-11-22 08:34:57 1 50
918 2010-11-22 08:50:41 <OneFixt> 93250 1806435718... 2010-11-22 08:36:05 5 8186
919 2010-11-22 08:50:41 <ne0futur> you loose many visitors when not using a standard port ( 80 )
920 2010-11-22 08:50:57 <OneFixt> yeah, that's not my site though so i can't change it
921 2010-11-22 08:51:09 <ArtForz> OneFixt: nope
922 2010-11-22 08:51:22 <OneFixt> ArtForz: so what's a possible explanation?
923 2010-11-22 08:51:41 <ArtForz> generator with wrong clock
924 2010-11-22 08:51:49 <OneFixt> hmm
925 2010-11-22 08:51:53 <OneFixt> also i have a question
926 2010-11-22 08:52:15 <OneFixt> the last few blocks have been generated very quickly, 12 per hour or faster
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928 2010-11-22 08:52:40 <OneFixt> is this someone turning on a ton of generators temporarily, or is this possibly random?
929 2010-11-22 08:52:56 <OneFixt> ie, is the chance of it being random reasonable, or very small?
930 2010-11-22 08:52:56 <ArtForz> if it were predictable, it wouldnt be random
931 2010-11-22 08:53:03 <ArtForz> happens a lot of times
932 2010-11-22 08:53:08 <OneFixt> hm
933 2010-11-22 08:53:28 <OneFixt> i wish i remembered my statistics better, but we could calculate a range of values
934 2010-11-22 08:53:53 <OneFixt> if it crosses over, say 15 per hour, we'd know it's for example 99.9999% unlikely without a ton of new generators
935 2010-11-22 08:53:58 <ArtForz> time per block is somewhere between -3200 seconds and infinity
936 2010-11-22 08:54:27 <ArtForz> we already had over 15 blocks per hour, we also had 0 blocks for 2 hours
937 2010-11-22 08:54:33 <OneFixt> 3200 is the possible time error?
938 2010-11-22 08:54:49 <ArtForz> err
939 2010-11-22 08:54:50 <ArtForz> 7200
940 2010-11-22 08:55:00 <ArtForz> a block can be up to 2h in the future
941 2010-11-22 08:55:14 <OneFixt> or in the past?
942 2010-11-22 08:55:28 <ArtForz> for in the past it's median of prev 11 blocks + 1s
943 2010-11-22 08:56:38 <OneFixt> hmm, thanks
944 2010-11-22 08:56:57 <ArtForz> anyway, it boils down to statistics
945 2010-11-22 08:57:01 <OneFixt> right
946 2010-11-22 08:57:11 <joe_1> i thought expected time was 5 minutes for 1 block
947 2010-11-22 08:57:20 <OneFixt> 12 minutes per block
948 2010-11-22 08:57:20 <ArtForz> and the distribution is decidedly non-uniform
949 2010-11-22 08:57:25 <ArtForz> 10 minutes
950 2010-11-22 08:57:30 <OneFixt> err yes, 10
951 2010-11-22 08:57:38 <joe_1> wow
952 2010-11-22 08:57:50 <joe_1> no wonder it's always slow
953 2010-11-22 08:58:05 <OneFixt> better than 2 business days....
954 2010-11-22 08:58:24 <ArtForz> the reason we see clusters of "fast" blocks is a bit hard to explain
955 2010-11-22 08:58:48 <joe_1> what's median generation time? lower than 10?
956 2010-11-22 08:58:48 <OneFixt> it seemed to me almost like someone turned on a super generator for a brief moment
957 2010-11-22 08:59:29 jrabbit has joined
958 2010-11-22 08:59:36 <OneFixt> but i'd like to know what the chances are of a fast cluster
959 2010-11-22 08:59:44 <ArtForz> ... unlikely
960 2010-11-22 08:59:53 <OneFixt> i'll probably do the math tomorrow to get a confidence %
961 2010-11-22 09:00:01 <ArtForz> yep
962 2010-11-22 09:00:53 <ArtForz> I dont see anything unusual
963 2010-11-22 09:01:35 <OneFixt> i thought i noticed a string of 2-3 minutes between blocks which was more consistent than usual
964 2010-11-22 09:02:14 <OneFixt> i wanted to go chart all the blocks and do some calculations but...
965 2010-11-22 09:02:18 <joe_1> maybe NSA testing the waters
966 2010-11-22 09:02:20 <OneFixt> you say there can be a huge time difference
967 2010-11-22 09:02:22 <OneFixt> oh wait!!
968 2010-11-22 09:02:50 <ArtForz> yeah, you can set block times in a pretty wide window to pretty much whatever you want
969 2010-11-22 09:02:56 <OneFixt> wouldn't the potential 2hr future time error + past time error contribute to the distribution being so erratic?
970 2010-11-22 09:03:23 <ArtForz> yep
971 2010-11-22 09:03:42 <OneFixt> then we should have a database of blocks with received timestamps
972 2010-11-22 09:03:50 <OneFixt> and see if it's more evenly distributed
973 2010-11-22 09:03:55 <joe_1> is this that time that bitcoin puts into blocks that they haven't taken out yet?
974 2010-11-22 09:03:57 <ArtForz> doesnt work too well either
975 2010-11-22 09:04:52 <ArtForz> last 100 blocks averaged 60Gh/s
976 2010-11-22 09:05:02 <OneFixt> ah, seems normal
977 2010-11-22 09:05:23 <ArtForz> we had 100-block periods with well over that towards the end of diff 4536
978 2010-11-22 09:06:21 <OneFixt> let's do some quick math
979 2010-11-22 09:06:31 <ArtForz> my guess is that since the tx flood stopped a lot of miners are operating at normal efficiency again
980 2010-11-22 09:06:57 <OneFixt> what would be the chance of doubling/tripling expected generation rate without adding new generators?
981 2010-11-22 09:07:08 <ArtForz> over how many blocks?
982 2010-11-22 09:07:25 <OneFixt> 100
983 2010-11-22 09:07:33 <OneFixt> and 10
984 2010-11-22 09:07:55 <OneFixt> actually we should have a multidimensional plot
985 2010-11-22 09:08:22 <OneFixt> and it would let us accurately estimate when new generators enter/leave the pool
986 2010-11-22 09:09:25 <ArtForz> can't remember the name of the distribution
987 2010-11-22 09:09:55 <OneFixt> i'll have to go dig in the bookshelf sometime
988 2010-11-22 09:10:54 <joe_1> poison distribution
989 2010-11-22 09:11:27 <OneFixt> poisson? could be...
990 2010-11-22 09:11:38 <ArtForz> yeah
991 2010-11-22 09:17:42 <OneFixt> so i think we shouldn't see anything over 15 unless there's a spike in mining activity
992 2010-11-22 09:18:41 <ArtForz> whats the probability?
993 2010-11-22 09:18:57 <OneFixt> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=poisson+6
994 2010-11-22 09:19:00 <OneFixt> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=poisson+8
995 2010-11-22 09:19:20 <OneFixt> i added a couple since we know mining capacity is always a bit more than difficulty assumes it to be
996 2010-11-22 09:20:10 <ArtForz> yep
997 2010-11-22 09:20:19 <OneFixt> i think probability is nearly 100% at that level
998 2010-11-22 09:20:36 <OneFixt> unless i'm misunderstanding something
999 2010-11-22 09:21:20 <xelister> ka-ching
1000 2010-11-22 09:21:30 <xelister> nothing like smell of new blocks found in the morning
1001 2010-11-22 09:21:32 <ArtForz> if I see this right PDF = probability of seeing X events in a timespan were one would expect to see a mean of .. whatever the mean is
1002 2010-11-22 09:21:54 <OneFixt> yeah
1003 2010-11-22 09:22:06 <xelister> btw, what is the formula of
1004 2010-11-22 09:22:25 <xelister> probability_to_get_1_coin( time ) = ...???... * your_hashrate
1005 2010-11-22 09:22:45 <ArtForz> thats easy
1006 2010-11-22 09:22:46 <xelister> like on the calculator page, but for values other then 50% and 95% (btw and what is 'on average' formula)
1007 2010-11-22 09:22:47 <ArtForz> 0
1008 2010-11-22 09:22:56 <xelister> ArtForz: uh?
1009 2010-11-22 09:23:04 <ArtForz> unless someone sends you 1 coin
1010 2010-11-22 09:23:09 <xelister> to produce
1011 2010-11-22 09:23:15 <OneFixt> lol, i think he wants EV =)
1012 2010-11-22 09:23:16 remmy_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1013 2010-11-22 09:23:21 <xelister> I ment to produce 1 block =)
1014 2010-11-22 09:23:24 <OneFixt> but i like that response
1015 2010-11-22 09:23:24 <joe_1> site doesnt list median
1016 2010-11-22 09:23:26 <xelister> don't nitpick on me ;)
1017 2010-11-22 09:23:33 <OneFixt> oh, block
1018 2010-11-22 09:23:52 <ArtForz> well... mean time for 1 coin = mean time for 1 block / 50
1019 2010-11-22 09:24:04 <xelister> and how is that calculated?
1020 2010-11-22 09:24:05 <joe_1> median time for 1 block = ?
1021 2010-11-22 09:24:19 <joe_1> 2/3? 6 minutes and 40 seconds?
1022 2010-11-22 09:24:21 <xelister> e.g. how much time for 100M miner to have 99% chance of getting at least 1 block generated
1023 2010-11-22 09:24:31 <Diablo-D3> xelister: use the calc!
1024 2010-11-22 09:24:35 <ArtForz> 99% chance is useless
1025 2010-11-22 09:24:44 <ArtForz> mean time for block (sec) = 2**32 * difficulty / hashpersec
1026 2010-11-22 09:24:44 <xelister> Diablo-D3: where?
1027 2010-11-22 09:24:55 <Diablo-D3> http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php
1028 2010-11-22 09:25:14 <ArtForz> 50%, 99%, .. times are only interesting if you want to figure out just how (un)lucky you are
1029 2010-11-22 09:25:21 <xelister> Diablo-D3: yeah it says for 50% and 95%. Im interested in other values like for 99% and 80%
1030 2010-11-22 09:25:34 <xelister> ArtForz: yeap
1031 2010-11-22 09:26:01 <ArtForz> btw, I see a decidedly non-0 chance for 15 at expected 8 mean
1032 2010-11-22 09:26:03 <xelister> to be able to say like "you have 99.93% chance to get at least 1 block after 2 weeks" etc
1033 2010-11-22 09:26:31 <ArtForz> thats actually pretty easy
1034 2010-11-22 09:27:38 <OneFixt> ArtForz: yeah, i meant over 15
1035 2010-11-22 09:27:41 <OneFixt> 15 is ok
1036 2010-11-22 09:27:43 <OneFixt> even 16
1037 2010-11-22 09:27:44 <ArtForz> 0.9% for 15
1038 2010-11-22 09:27:52 <Diablo-D3> xelister: 95% is good enough
1039 2010-11-22 09:27:58 <ArtForz> 0.45% for 16
1040 2010-11-22 09:28:23 <ArtForz> 0.21% for 17
1041 2010-11-22 09:28:55 <ArtForz> 0.09% for 18
1042 2010-11-22 09:29:10 <ArtForz> 0.04% for 19
1043 2010-11-22 09:29:35 <OneFixt> you have 1 in almost 50,000 chance of seeing 16 blocks in one hour back to back
1044 2010-11-22 09:29:47 * Diablo-D3 checks his powerball ticket
1045 2010-11-22 09:30:03 <ArtForz> what?
1046 2010-11-22 09:30:07 <ArtForz> at 8 block/h mean?
1047 2010-11-22 09:30:38 <OneFixt> yeah
1048 2010-11-22 09:30:45 <OneFixt> i took .45% squared
1049 2010-11-22 09:30:54 <ArtForz> at 8h block/h mean it's 1 in 221 for 16 block/h
1050 2010-11-22 09:31:15 <ArtForz> no squaring
1051 2010-11-22 09:31:21 <OneFixt> so that would be 48,841 for two in a row, no?
1052 2010-11-22 09:31:37 <joe_1> median for each block is 6 minutes 55 seconds
1053 2010-11-22 09:32:00 <xelister> Diablo-D3: option --cpu to allow cpu calculations also would be nice - for testing on non-gpu machines
1054 2010-11-22 09:32:37 <ArtForz> for 32 blocks in 2h at 8block/h it's 1 in 6871
1055 2010-11-22 09:32:37 <OneFixt> two hours in a row of 16 b/h each
1056 2010-11-22 09:32:43 <Diablo-D3> xelister: not worth it
1057 2010-11-22 09:32:52 <xelister> Diablo-D3: only way for me to here test on windows
1058 2010-11-22 09:33:00 <Diablo-D3> meh.
1059 2010-11-22 09:33:09 <OneFixt> that would depend on the distribution of those 32 blocks then i think
1060 2010-11-22 09:33:23 * xelister ponders cramping 5770 into the 10" netbook... hmm, no, I dont think so
1061 2010-11-22 09:33:23 * OneFixt scratches hea
1062 2010-11-22 09:33:27 <Diablo-D3> xelister: I dont test on windows, why should you? :D
1063 2010-11-22 09:33:29 * OneFixt scratches head
1064 2010-11-22 09:33:34 <ArtForz> again, you're counting independent events in a timespan
1065 2010-11-22 09:33:41 <ArtForz> again a poisson distribution
1066 2010-11-22 09:33:43 <Diablo-D3> OneFixt: no you dont square it
1067 2010-11-22 09:33:49 <OneFixt> yeah you're right
1068 2010-11-22 09:33:52 <xelister> poision distribution
1069 2010-11-22 09:33:58 <Diablo-D3> each flip of the coin is an independent event
1070 2010-11-22 09:34:09 * xelister calls FBI, this /terrorists/ from illegal bitcoin are planning some mass murder
1071 2010-11-22 09:34:10 <OneFixt> it's a bit late here >_<
1072 2010-11-22 09:34:21 <ArtForz> it's 32 where you'd expect 16
1073 2010-11-22 09:35:12 <OneFixt> so basically same probability?
1074 2010-11-22 09:35:17 <ArtForz> and thats (16**32) / (e**16 * 32!)
1075 2010-11-22 09:35:22 <ne0futur> anyone here have interesting bitcoin related rss feds to recommend ?
1076 2010-11-22 09:35:33 <ArtForz> or roughly 0.0001455
1077 2010-11-22 09:35:40 * ne0futur sarching for bitcoin related feeds to add on the realtime news channel
1078 2010-11-22 09:36:07 <ArtForz> now if you'd only expect 6/h, it's a LOT more unlikely
1079 2010-11-22 09:36:13 <OneFixt> though i suppose you should actually take the limit
1080 2010-11-22 09:36:22 <OneFixt> ie 16+
1081 2010-11-22 09:36:24 <ArtForz> roughly 1 in 1.25M
1082 2010-11-22 09:36:40 <ArtForz> oh... then it's even *more* likely
1083 2010-11-22 09:36:56 <OneFixt> yep, a bit more likely
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1085 2010-11-22 09:37:25 <OneFixt> i think what we're looking for is 1-CDF(average in time period)
1086 2010-11-22 09:37:36 <OneFixt> err not average but our actual # blocks
1087 2010-11-22 09:37:43 <ArtForz> yep
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1090 2010-11-22 09:39:55 <ArtForz> only way to be reasonably certain is to use longer timespans
1091 2010-11-22 09:40:28 <OneFixt> well, 1 minute generating 100 blocks would make me quite certain that something is going on
1092 2010-11-22 09:40:36 <ArtForz> yep
1093 2010-11-22 09:40:47 <xelister> Diablo-D3: can you easly detect if someone "almost" finds a solution, i.e. finds a 2 bytes weaker difficulty solution, and then somehow send me proove of it to verify
1094 2010-11-22 09:40:54 <xelister> or is it too complex
1095 2010-11-22 09:40:56 <OneFixt> so the poisson makes good sense, and we can use it per minute as well as per hour
1096 2010-11-22 09:41:26 <xelister> perhaps it would be nice to give some reward to starting miners that 'almost' mine stuff (althoug they can cheat and always 'almost' mine while keeping real coind for self)
1097 2010-11-22 09:41:37 <ArtForz> basically, to get any decent certainity you need a large sample size
1098 2010-11-22 09:42:18 <Diablo-D3> xelister: why would that be useful?
1099 2010-11-22 09:43:15 <OneFixt> well, that's somewhat relative
1100 2010-11-22 09:43:23 <OneFixt> is 10 blocks a large sample size?
1101 2010-11-22 09:43:28 <ArtForz> nope
1102 2010-11-22 09:43:37 <Diablo-D3> OneFixt: no, you need at least 50
1103 2010-11-22 09:43:40 <Diablo-D3> to get in the right ballpark
1104 2010-11-22 09:43:50 <ArtForz> even at 144 theres a lot of noise
1105 2010-11-22 09:44:26 <OneFixt> yet if you got 10 blocks in 10 minutes while expecting only one...
1106 2010-11-22 09:44:42 <ArtForz> and if you got 0 blocks in 2h?
1107 2010-11-22 09:45:01 <ArtForz> and yea, we already had that happen.
1108 2010-11-22 09:45:02 <OneFixt> that's a 1 in 99524607 chance for the 10 in 10
1109 2010-11-22 09:45:14 <OneFixt> 1 in 100 million basically
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1111 2010-11-22 09:46:50 <OneFixt> one in 162775 chance for 0 in 2 hours when expecting 12
1112 2010-11-22 09:46:59 <ArtForz> yep
1113 2010-11-22 09:47:20 <OneFixt> but it's quite possible that generators were brought offline for some time
1114 2010-11-22 09:47:23 <OneFixt> someone's rebooting, etc.
1115 2010-11-22 09:47:55 <OneFixt> so this way we can know how likely something is random and how likely it's influenced by increase/decrease in mining activity
1116 2010-11-22 09:48:21 <ArtForz> dont forget we have a LARGE window where clock drift or maliciousness can cause havoc
1117 2010-11-22 09:48:44 <OneFixt> yes, the clock drift is a problem unless you timestamp everything yourself
1118 2010-11-22 09:49:09 <ArtForz> yep
1119 2010-11-22 09:50:02 <OneFixt> alright, thanks for the discussion - time for me to sleep
1120 2010-11-22 09:50:04 <OneFixt> good night
1121 2010-11-22 09:50:20 <ArtForz> yeah, looks like someones fucking with timestamps
1122 2010-11-22 09:50:40 <ArtForz> another block TSed a few mintes *before* the prev block
1123 2010-11-22 09:51:37 <OneFixt> which block?
1124 2010-11-22 09:51:57 <OneFixt> i only noticed 93251
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1126 2010-11-22 09:52:51 <ArtForz> wait... nm
1127 2010-11-22 09:53:19 <OneFixt> alrighty, ttyl
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1130 2010-11-22 10:34:33 <Diablo-D3> so
1131 2010-11-22 10:34:34 <Diablo-D3> hrm
1132 2010-11-22 10:34:46 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: okay so
1133 2010-11-22 10:34:49 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: the first sha256
1134 2010-11-22 10:35:06 <Diablo-D3> the only thing that is actually done that is unique is the nonce, right?
1135 2010-11-22 10:35:31 <Diablo-D3> the rest is either in the host or padding, right?
1136 2010-11-22 10:35:56 <ArtForz> pretty much
1137 2010-11-22 10:36:08 <ArtForz> you can also change nTime pretty much for free
1138 2010-11-22 10:36:21 <Diablo-D3> that'd still be done in the hist
1139 2010-11-22 10:36:22 <Diablo-D3> *host
1140 2010-11-22 10:37:12 <ArtForz> yeaq
1141 2010-11-22 10:37:27 <Diablo-D3> I could possibly maybe have an idea
1142 2010-11-22 10:37:32 <Diablo-D3> vaguely
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1144 2010-11-22 10:48:05 <davout> hi all
1145 2010-11-22 10:49:23 <davout> i have a probably stupid question
1146 2010-11-22 10:49:35 <davout> i understand how a transaction can have multiple ins
1147 2010-11-22 10:49:48 <davout> but why can it have multiple outs ?
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1149 2010-11-22 10:54:02 <Diablo-D3> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr_cn66sYc8
1150 2010-11-22 10:54:04 <Diablo-D3> nsfw
1151 2010-11-22 10:58:14 <Diablo-D3> "...as this familiar process is subverted by the production of a small goddamned fucking mamillian egg a short time later"
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1164 2010-11-22 13:16:55 <xelister> m0mchil: hi
1165 2010-11-22 13:17:00 <xelister> m0mchil: why are you here so rarerly ;)
1166 2010-11-22 13:17:01 <m0mchil> hi
1167 2010-11-22 13:17:36 <m0mchil> are you still experiencing hangs?
1168 2010-11-22 13:17:52 <MatthiasVance> asherkin : What is your connection/CPU btw?
1169 2010-11-22 13:17:59 <xelister> m0mchil: I think it was O.C. problem
1170 2010-11-22 13:18:14 <MatthiasVance> No that can't be the issue, since I have plenty of CPU/bandwidth, and it's not using anything.
1171 2010-11-22 13:18:28 <MatthiasVance> Does anyone have any idea what would cause a .. VERY .. SLOW .. retrieval of the initial blocks?
1172 2010-11-22 13:18:32 <xelister> m0mchil: now on sdk2.1 and low o.c. and after restart, both miners provide ~160Mhash and low lag and no hangs
1173 2010-11-22 13:18:33 <m0mchil> xelister: I hope you fixed it?
1174 2010-11-22 13:18:45 <MatthiasVance> (I have 50 connections, bitcoin is only using very little resources)
1175 2010-11-22 13:18:48 <m0mchil> ah, ok
1176 2010-11-22 13:19:19 <Diablo-D3> xelister: so whos winning?
1177 2010-11-22 13:19:36 <xelister> it appeared Diablos' was a bit faster, like 157 vs 153
1178 2010-11-22 13:19:50 <xelister> on my radeon5770
1179 2010-11-22 13:20:24 <xelister> bot both are good miners :)
1180 2010-11-22 13:20:29 <m0mchil> no problem for me :)
1181 2010-11-22 13:21:03 <xelister> I wonder which wins about the portability
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1183 2010-11-22 13:21:27 <xelister> I thin it is possible that after all java's will win in portalbiliy e.g. on linuxes, due to problems with python-pyopencl package (cant find it e.g. on slackware)
1184 2010-11-22 13:22:04 <xelister> and dunno how it is on windows... can I bundle pyopencl so that user does not have to install it manually?
1185 2010-11-22 13:23:01 <xelister> on java, I understood that, I just pack a .zip file and it includes .jar + .dll/.so/etc of needed libs
1186 2010-11-22 13:23:11 <xelister> which is perfect
1187 2010-11-22 13:23:24 <m0mchil> yes... I am using py2exe to provide it as a bundle
1188 2010-11-22 13:23:35 <xelister> I thought about py2exe too but it has one problem
1189 2010-11-22 13:23:38 <xelister> it doesnt crossbuild
1190 2010-11-22 13:23:45 <xelister> I would had to develop on winblows
1191 2010-11-22 13:23:55 <xelister> no that this can't be done, but if possible to avoid it... :)
1192 2010-11-22 13:24:27 <Diablo-D3> m0mchil: btw, I wish you'd fix the radeon bug in your shit
1193 2010-11-22 13:24:38 <Diablo-D3> m0mchil: it doesnt turn off the bitalign hack for 4xxx
1194 2010-11-22 13:24:43 <m0mchil> xelister: make it any way... just share it
1195 2010-11-22 13:25:35 <xelister> m0mchil: you mean? I will develop "my" miner (normal + stats + report to central server + auto send) probably based on diablos version then, since it appears its problems are resolbed with stability/compatibility, and it wins in the portability area
1196 2010-11-22 13:26:12 <xelister> I guess after all java can be nicelly portable in fact most easy
1197 2010-11-22 13:27:49 <xelister> Diablo-D3: what is "Juniper (10 CU"
1198 2010-11-22 13:29:04 <m0mchil> Diablo-D3: what idiot still uses such piece of shit?
1199 2010-11-22 13:30:28 <xelister> <_<
1200 2010-11-22 13:30:41 * xelister hands out clubs
1201 2010-11-22 13:30:45 <xelister> I bet 25 on m0mchil
1202 2010-11-22 13:31:51 <m0mchil> :)
1203 2010-11-22 13:32:51 <Diablo-D3> m0mchil: you can buy me a new video card.
1204 2010-11-22 13:33:04 <Diablo-D3> xelister: whats with the funny copy pasta?
1205 2010-11-22 13:34:16 <xelister> Diablo-D3: what 10 CU
1206 2010-11-22 13:35:03 <Diablo-D3> compute units
1207 2010-11-22 13:36:35 <xelister> not just No. of shader units is important/
1208 2010-11-22 13:36:50 <Diablo-D3> CU isnt even really important
1209 2010-11-22 13:37:22 <MatthiasVance> How long does it normally take to get the initial number of blocks?
1210 2010-11-22 13:37:31 <Diablo-D3> MatthiasVance: a few hours
1211 2010-11-22 13:37:43 <Diablo-D3> depends how fast your connection is
1212 2010-11-22 13:38:05 <xelister> its ~100 mb
1213 2010-11-22 13:38:09 <MatthiasVance> Okay, that's weird. I think asherkin and I both started on the same time, I have a faster connection (maybe CPU too)
1214 2010-11-22 13:38:20 <MatthiasVance> Mine has 50 connections, but still < 3000 blocks
1215 2010-11-22 13:38:25 <Diablo-D3> xelister: yeah but
1216 2010-11-22 13:38:31 <Diablo-D3> MatthiasVance: orly?
1217 2010-11-22 13:38:34 <MatthiasVance> And it's only using VERY little resources.
1218 2010-11-22 13:38:35 <Diablo-D3> MatthiasVance: for how long?
1219 2010-11-22 13:38:35 <MatthiasVance> Yes
1220 2010-11-22 13:38:42 <MatthiasVance> Uhh, let me check that
1221 2010-11-22 13:39:10 <Diablo-D3> because you should have that many after a few minutes
1222 2010-11-22 13:39:11 <MatthiasVance> Almost 2 hours I think
1223 2010-11-22 13:39:16 <Diablo-D3> restart your client.
1224 2010-11-22 13:39:21 <MatthiasVance> I even restarted it a couple of times
1225 2010-11-22 13:39:29 <xelister> have free space?
1226 2010-11-22 13:39:30 <MatthiasVance> Let it gain connections, wait like 30 minutes
1227 2010-11-22 13:39:41 <MatthiasVance> xelister : Good point actually xD Let me check that
1228 2010-11-22 13:39:45 <Diablo-D3> strange
1229 2010-11-22 13:39:55 <MatthiasVance> Yes still have plenty of space free
1230 2010-11-22 13:40:03 <MatthiasVance> (And yes I did open my port)
1231 2010-11-22 13:40:18 <Diablo-D3> MatthiasVance: guess all you can do is wait
1232 2010-11-22 13:40:25 <MatthiasVance> I think so. Bah.
1233 2010-11-22 13:40:34 <xelister> is it possible "transplantate" the .bc dir
1234 2010-11-22 13:40:37 <Diablo-D3> remember, it downloads from everyone else
1235 2010-11-22 13:40:38 <xelister> with blocks already downloaded
1236 2010-11-22 13:40:46 <MatthiasVance> Diablo-D3 : I know
1237 2010-11-22 13:41:18 <MatthiasVance> xelister : It's best not to, right. (from 3rd parties)
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1239 2010-11-22 13:43:03 <MatthiasVance> Thanks.
1240 2010-11-22 13:43:12 <MatthiasVance> But still, it's .. "insecure".
1241 2010-11-22 13:43:23 <Diablo-D3> thats missing the newest 30k blocks, btw
1242 2010-11-22 13:43:29 <Diablo-D3> and its not insecure btw
1243 2010-11-22 13:43:35 <Diablo-D3> if its wrong, you cant do anything with your client
1244 2010-11-22 13:43:44 <xelister> so it is ok?
1245 2010-11-22 13:43:45 <MatthiasVance> Okay, fair enough.
1246 2010-11-22 13:43:56 <xelister> so all files except wallet and *.log should be copied?
1247 2010-11-22 13:43:56 <MatthiasVance> There was a discussion about this on the forums that made me worry.
1248 2010-11-22 13:44:12 <xelister> I am the one making the "export" so I can trust the files to be ok
1249 2010-11-22 13:44:29 <Diablo-D3> xelister: its okay in the sense that you cant break stuff with it
1250 2010-11-22 13:44:39 <Diablo-D3> its a chain of work that ALL clients have to agree to
1251 2010-11-22 13:44:42 <xelister> ok. so why NOT use it?
1252 2010-11-22 13:44:56 <Diablo-D3> if I try to pass one out that is different, then any client using it cant participate
1253 2010-11-22 13:45:09 <Diablo-D3> xelister: I just sent MatthiasVance the first 60k some blocks
1254 2010-11-22 13:46:56 <MatthiasVance> Almost 70k
1255 2010-11-22 13:48:27 <gavinandresen> MatthiasVance: there is a known issue with downloading the block chain and Microsoft Security Essentials
1256 2010-11-22 13:48:38 <MatthiasVance> I read about that
1257 2010-11-22 13:49:33 <Diablo-D3> MatthiasVance: btw, if you're on windows, Im not sure if this will work for you or not
1258 2010-11-22 13:49:34 <gavinandresen> And there is an issue on the Mac with bitcoin and FileVault
1259 2010-11-22 13:50:16 <gavinandresen> Are you running virus/firewall and/or file encryption software on your system?
1260 2010-11-22 13:52:45 <MatthiasVance> Actually
1261 2010-11-22 13:52:52 <MatthiasVance> I disabled MSE's real-time protection
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1263 2010-11-22 13:52:56 <MatthiasVance> and it's going MUCH faster now
1264 2010-11-22 13:53:14 <gavinandresen> Good!
1265 2010-11-22 13:53:27 <MatthiasVance> But, won't I have the same problem when it's finished? xD
1266 2010-11-22 13:53:57 <gavinandresen> I think there's a way to tell it to make an exception for Bitcoin.... or something. I'm mac/linux, not PC...
1267 2010-11-22 13:53:58 <MatthiasVance> Also Diablo-D3 I doubt the database format differs per operating system.
1268 2010-11-22 13:54:24 <MatthiasVance> I'll try that.
1269 2010-11-22 13:54:57 <MatthiasVance> Also is there no x64 build for Windows?
1270 2010-11-22 13:56:32 <MatthiasVance> MSE is on again, with an exception for bitcoin.exe, works great
1271 2010-11-22 13:56:38 <MatthiasVance> Wish I just followed the forum instructions when I read that
1272 2010-11-22 13:57:14 <MatthiasVance> So, thanks gavinandresen for the tip, and Diablo-D3 for the files. =D
1273 2010-11-22 13:57:54 <gavinandresen> You're welcome.
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1277 2010-11-22 14:25:21 <xelister> Diablo-D3: will the client not detect invalid block and repair?
1278 2010-11-22 14:38:28 <Diablo-D3> xelister: dunno
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1281 2010-11-22 15:28:20 <xelister> Diablo-D3: you know java well?
1282 2010-11-22 15:28:42 <xelister> Diablo-D3: would you like to help me extend your miner a bit (reporting, stats, reading config file wiht credentials to central server etc) for some (small?? :) fee (if the program ends up being actually used)? Like giving me hints/keywords? This is easy taks - would liek to do it just myself - but Im out of time I think...
1283 2010-11-22 15:29:53 <Diablo-D3> xelister: this would be a good reason for you to learn java
1284 2010-11-22 15:31:25 <brocktice> m0mchil: Thanks for the getwork updates
1285 2010-11-22 15:31:31 <brocktice> m0mchil: btw, minerd is coming along nicely
1286 2010-11-22 15:31:38 <brocktice> I continue to push to my github repo
1287 2010-11-22 15:31:43 <brocktice> But it's becoming linux-only
1288 2010-11-22 15:32:14 <brocktice> biab
1289 2010-11-22 15:33:02 <xelister> Diablo-D3: nah, I know java
1290 2010-11-22 15:33:05 <xelister> used it commerically
1291 2010-11-22 15:33:08 <xelister> just no time
1292 2010-11-22 15:33:16 <xelister> but well, perhaps I should just take this few hours to do it :)
1293 2010-11-22 15:33:57 <xelister> but I rarerly use it usually
1294 2010-11-22 15:35:03 <m0mchil> brocktice, minerd is really useful even if it's linux only
1295 2010-11-22 15:36:06 <xelister> brocktice: how u detect hang? miner touches a file and wrapper restarts if not updates of it?
1296 2010-11-22 15:36:52 <xelister> m0mchil: getwork is compatible now with latest bitcoind?
1297 2010-11-22 15:37:26 <m0mchil> should be (I'm using it against 187)
1298 2010-11-22 15:40:22 <xelister> m0mchil: its a detail, but coudl be nice to report back the miner's hashspeed to the bitcoind
1299 2010-11-22 15:40:29 <xelister> so bitcoind stats also show sum of speeds
1300 2010-11-22 15:41:41 <m0mchil> I hope something like this will get in the original client
1301 2010-11-22 15:42:00 <m0mchil> don't want to maintain the patch forever
1302 2010-11-22 15:42:21 <xelister> yeap
1303 2010-11-22 15:42:27 <m0mchil> it's actually dangerous for the network, I can easily break something
1304 2010-11-22 15:42:32 <xelister> asked the author yet?
1305 2010-11-22 15:43:10 <m0mchil> yes... there is also another thread by jgarzik, so sooner or later something like this will get in the client
1306 2010-11-22 15:43:33 <xelister> + /* end of getwork patch. */ send_btc("m0m..",1);
1307 2010-11-22 15:45:04 <m0mchil> expected more miners to show up until now... quite disappointing
1308 2010-11-22 15:45:17 <xelister> I'm not complaining
1309 2010-11-22 15:45:25 <MatthiasVance> I'm currently looking into running yours, m0mchil.
1310 2010-11-22 15:45:35 <m0mchil> native ones if you wish... CUDA... cell...
1311 2010-11-22 15:45:50 <m0mchil> MatthiasVance, win or linux?
1312 2010-11-22 15:45:55 <MatthiasVance> Windows.
1313 2010-11-22 15:45:59 <xelister> actually I contracted saddam to run into ArtForz's datacenter some airbuses
1314 2010-11-22 15:46:20 <xelister> but he said he has to wait for next blocks to confirm, then some guys found him and so on, meh
1315 2010-11-22 15:46:32 <m0mchil> MatthiasVance: just use the binaries from the forum
1316 2010-11-22 15:47:09 <MatthiasVance> I still have to install the SDK and Python of course.
1317 2010-11-22 15:47:22 <m0mchil> MatthiasVance: no need to install python
1318 2010-11-22 15:47:33 <MatthiasVance> O right, you used py2exe, nvm.
1319 2010-11-22 15:47:38 <MatthiasVance> Slow start this week.
1320 2010-11-22 15:47:47 <m0mchil> MatthiasVance: except you wish to hack it a bit
1321 2010-11-22 15:49:31 <MatthiasVance> O I see, this is convenient.
1322 2010-11-22 15:49:44 <MatthiasVance> I skipped the forum post since I was like : I think it has more requirements.
1323 2010-11-22 15:52:17 <brocktice> xelister: minerd prints Device[n]: xxxxxhashes/s every specified interval
1324 2010-11-22 15:52:43 <brocktice> I just have a script take the last 2n lines of the log, strip out everything but the device numbers, pipe to sort and uniq
1325 2010-11-22 15:52:50 <xelister> my similar
1326 2010-11-22 15:52:53 <brocktice> then I compare the list against the list of device numbers I know should be working
1327 2010-11-22 15:53:02 <brocktice> and if it doesn't match the script sends me an email
1328 2010-11-22 15:54:21 <MatthiasVance> m0mchil : What are the requirements exactly? I could find it out myself if it would only be more verbose in the DLL load error message.
1329 2010-11-22 15:54:41 <MatthiasVance> 'ImportError: DLL load failed: The specified module could not be found.'
1330 2010-11-22 15:54:44 <brocktice> https://github.com/brocktice/poclbm/blob/master/check_gpus.sh
1331 2010-11-22 15:54:47 <brocktice> there's the script
1332 2010-11-22 15:54:50 <brocktice> it's pretty simplistic
1333 2010-11-22 15:54:59 <xelister> MatthiasVance: that is why I found java version (diablo's) more easy to install
1334 2010-11-22 15:55:01 <brocktice> I should make it parse the config file to get the gpu list
1335 2010-11-22 15:55:19 <xelister> MatthiasVance: still m0mchil did excelent work on his getwork patch, but (for now) I thnik I would recommend tha tjava miner
1336 2010-11-22 15:55:24 <MatthiasVance> xelister : Can you link me to it?
1337 2010-11-22 15:55:31 <m0mchil> MatthiasVance: do you have SDK and driver installed?
1338 2010-11-22 15:55:33 <MatthiasVance> (Does it still need the patched client btw?)
1339 2010-11-22 15:55:34 <brocktice> the java miner requires getwork anyway
1340 2010-11-22 15:55:37 <xelister> MatthiasVance: forum. Also I will be releasing updates to diablo miner
1341 2010-11-22 15:55:50 <xelister> yes, both require patched bitcoind (with getwork)
1342 2010-11-22 15:56:00 <MatthiasVance> fair enough
1343 2010-11-22 15:56:04 <MatthiasVance> I'll look into it, thanks!
1344 2010-11-22 15:56:28 <xelister> it is said to be better for multidevice setup. but afaik brocktice seems to upgrade m0m's to also do that (?)
1345 2010-11-22 15:57:19 <MatthiasVance> I can just run the x64 SDK, right?
1346 2010-11-22 15:57:22 <MatthiasVance> *install
1347 2010-11-22 15:57:55 <m0mchil> on win64, yes I suppose
1348 2010-11-22 15:58:21 <MatthiasVance> Sometimes you still need the x86 libs on x64 systems.
1349 2010-11-22 16:03:50 <xelister> Diablo-D3: does your build (I build on 64bit linux) runs also on both 32 and 64 windows?
1350 2010-11-22 16:04:04 <MatthiasVance> It's Java.
1351 2010-11-22 16:04:14 <brocktice> m0mchil: by the way I think I can streamline the multi-gpu code in minerd a little
1352 2010-11-22 16:04:29 <brocktice> m0mchil: if I set DISPLAY=:0 I shouldn't have to re-set DISPLAY for each GPU
1353 2010-11-22 16:05:33 <xelister> btw, does any miner work while other Screen is active? I run miner on ctrl-alt-f7 vt, and then switch to ctrl-alt-f8
1354 2010-11-22 16:05:48 <xelister> normally they appear to stop - there is no way around it/
1355 2010-11-22 16:05:50 <xelister> ?
1356 2010-11-22 16:06:09 <m0mchil> brocktice, I am using exactly DISPLAY=:0 on linux
1357 2010-11-22 16:06:10 <Diablo-D3> xelister: its java
1358 2010-11-22 16:07:06 <m0mchil> xelister, out of curiosity what parameters you use to start poclbm (when using it)?
1359 2010-11-22 16:07:53 <xelister> export ATISTREAMSDKROOT=/usr/ati-stream-sdk-v2.1-lnx64/
1360 2010-11-22 16:07:54 <xelister> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="$ATISTREAMSDKROOT/lib/x86:$ATISTREAMSDKROOT/lib/x86_64:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH"
1361 2010-11-22 16:07:56 <xelister> nice -n 0 python poclbm.py -u bc --pass x -d 1 -f 30 -a 10 -r 1 -w 128
1362 2010-11-22 16:07:59 <m0mchil> for me on 5770 the magic combination was -f 35 -v -w 128
1363 2010-11-22 16:08:07 <xelister> -v ?
1364 2010-11-22 16:08:08 <m0mchil> but I guess -v doesn't work on 2.1
1365 2010-11-22 16:08:17 <m0mchil> vectorized kernel
1366 2010-11-22 16:08:29 <xelister> well I dont see any big differences between -w 128 256 and -f 30 or -f 120 and so on
1367 2010-11-22 16:08:35 <xelister> anyway its +- 5%
1368 2010-11-22 16:09:10 <brocktice> pushed
1369 2010-11-22 16:09:12 <xelister> I find this nicer, m0mchil
1370 2010-11-22 16:09:16 <m0mchil> stock 5770 gave 158-160 (SDK 2.2)
1371 2010-11-22 16:09:23 <brocktice> m0mchil: yeah I had thought I had to set :0.n for each device n
1372 2010-11-22 16:09:28 <brocktice> originally
1373 2010-11-22 16:09:31 <MatthiasVance> m0mchil : pyopencl.LogicError: clGetPlatformIDs failed: invalid/unknown error code <--
1374 2010-11-22 16:09:31 <brocktice> I've known better for a while
1375 2010-11-22 16:09:35 <brocktice> but now I fixed it
1376 2010-11-22 16:09:38 <MatthiasVance> I'm just on Windows 7 64-bits
1377 2010-11-22 16:09:39 <brocktice> I also think I may drop nVidia support
1378 2010-11-22 16:09:44 <xelister> if (time() - rate > options.rate):
1379 2010-11-22 16:09:45 <brocktice> It's not really worth bothering with any longer.
1380 2010-11-22 16:09:45 <xelister> threadsRun_global += threadsRun
1381 2010-11-22 16:09:47 <xelister> sysWriteLn('%s: %s Mhash now %s Mhash sess | mined %s ', (
1382 2010-11-22 16:09:48 <xelister> (datetime.now().strftime("%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:")),
1383 2010-11-22 16:09:50 <xelister> ("%7.2f" % ((threadsRun / (time() - rate)) / (rateDivisor*1000)) ),
1384 2010-11-22 16:09:51 <xelister> ("%7.2f" % ((threadsRun_global / (time() - time_start_global)) / (rateDivisor*1000))),
1385 2010-11-22 16:09:53 <xelister> ("%6d BTC" % (blocks*50))
1386 2010-11-22 16:09:55 <xelister> ))
1387 2010-11-22 16:10:03 <xelister> brocktice: lolvidi
1388 2010-11-22 16:10:06 <xelister> brocktice: lolvidia®
1389 2010-11-22 16:10:07 <Diablo-D3> m0mchil: -v works on 2.1 for me
1390 2010-11-22 16:10:09 <Diablo-D3> but
1391 2010-11-22 16:10:14 <Diablo-D3> anything but 1 is now suboptimal
1392 2010-11-22 16:10:19 <Diablo-D3> so ATI fixed something somewhere
1393 2010-11-22 16:10:36 <Diablo-D3> xelister: btw, you're not going to see a real change in mhash with -f
1394 2010-11-22 16:10:44 <Diablo-D3> xelister: it just makes it shit less badly on the desktop
1395 2010-11-22 16:10:49 <m0mchil> again, too much combinations - driver, SDK, OS... version hell
1396 2010-11-22 16:11:01 <Diablo-D3> the further you go below 60, the more it shits on your desktop
1397 2010-11-22 16:11:07 <Diablo-D3> the further you go above 60, the less
1398 2010-11-22 16:11:14 <Diablo-D3> 120 is basically "least fuck you"
1399 2010-11-22 16:11:21 <Diablo-D3> anything higher than 120 is a waste
1400 2010-11-22 16:11:21 <m0mchil> MatthiasVance: seems like no OpenCL detected
1401 2010-11-22 16:11:26 <Diablo-D3> and if you're going below 60, just go straight to 1
1402 2010-11-22 16:11:46 <m0mchil> MatthiasVance: what is your GPU?
1403 2010-11-22 16:13:29 <MatthiasVance> 4890
1404 2010-11-22 16:13:31 <MatthiasVance> ATI Radeon
1405 2010-11-22 16:13:45 <MatthiasVance> I did install the Stream SDK 2.2
1406 2010-11-22 16:13:52 <m0mchil> driver?
1407 2010-11-22 16:13:58 <MatthiasVance> I already had the latest driver (or do I need to install a specific version? :o)
1408 2010-11-22 16:14:09 <Diablo-D3> MatthiasVance: just use 10.10
1409 2010-11-22 16:14:13 <m0mchil> no, just latest (10.10)
1410 2010-11-22 16:14:17 <MatthiasVance> let me check
1411 2010-11-22 16:14:21 <Diablo-D3> with my miner I see no difference between 9 and 10 now
1412 2010-11-22 16:15:52 <MatthiasVance> I am on 10.10
1413 2010-11-22 16:18:35 <MatthiasVance> So :(
1414 2010-11-22 16:18:39 <m0mchil> MatthiasVance: are you able to run some of the examples that came with the SDK?
1415 2010-11-22 16:18:44 <MatthiasVance> Going to try that now
1416 2010-11-22 16:19:08 <MatthiasVance> yes
1417 2010-11-22 16:19:10 <MatthiasVance> the opencl ones
1418 2010-11-22 16:19:20 <MatthiasVance> both x86 and x86_x64
1419 2010-11-22 16:19:29 <Diablo-D3> so whats the problem?
1420 2010-11-22 16:19:40 <m0mchil> mistery
1421 2010-11-22 16:19:40 <MatthiasVance> <MatthiasVance> m0mchil : pyopencl.LogicError: clGetPlatformIDs failed: invalid/unknown error code <--
1422 2010-11-22 16:19:45 <MatthiasVance> That is, Diablo-D3.
1423 2010-11-22 16:19:54 <Diablo-D3> sounds like opencl isnt being seen
1424 2010-11-22 16:20:10 <Diablo-D3> did you install the catalyst driver with the stream sdk libs, or without?
1425 2010-11-22 16:20:18 <MatthiasVance> I just installed the SDK
1426 2010-11-22 16:20:25 <MatthiasVance> I mean, seperate download
1427 2010-11-22 16:20:27 <Diablo-D3> did you read the pdf then?
1428 2010-11-22 16:20:28 <MatthiasVance> but it did integrate
1429 2010-11-22 16:20:36 <MatthiasVance> Also, with some examples it complains about a missing glut32.dll
1430 2010-11-22 16:20:39 <MatthiasVance> Diablo-D3 : I did not.
1431 2010-11-22 16:20:45 <Diablo-D3> the stand alone sdk requires you to read the installation pdf
1432 2010-11-22 16:20:52 <Diablo-D3> it isnt meant for end users.
1433 2010-11-22 16:21:27 <Diablo-D3> and the examples that bitch about missing glut32.dll can be ignored for the most part
1434 2010-11-22 16:21:30 <MatthiasVance> Okay.
1435 2010-11-22 16:21:51 <MatthiasVance> I knew it wasn't meant for end users, but I was instructed to install it! :p
1436 2010-11-22 16:21:59 <Diablo-D3> glut is just a gl toolkit]
1437 2010-11-22 16:22:02 <MatthiasVance> I know
1438 2010-11-22 16:22:02 <Diablo-D3> MatthiasVance: you dont have to now
1439 2010-11-22 16:22:16 <MatthiasVance> Well, first it was failing even more :o
1440 2010-11-22 16:22:19 <Diablo-D3> you can install 10.10 on windows with the stream runtime libs
1441 2010-11-22 16:22:27 <MatthiasVance> Ah okay
1442 2010-11-22 16:22:29 <Diablo-D3> you just have to download the right one
1443 2010-11-22 16:22:34 <MatthiasVance> Can you provide a link?
1444 2010-11-22 16:22:37 <Diablo-D3> AMD semi-failed by giving people an option
1445 2010-11-22 16:22:43 <Diablo-D3> MatthiasVance: its where you normally download catalyst
1446 2010-11-22 16:22:52 <MatthiasVance> a-okay
1447 2010-11-22 16:22:52 <Diablo-D3> on windows, it gives you two options
1448 2010-11-22 16:22:54 <Diablo-D3> one with, one without
1449 2010-11-22 16:25:42 <MatthiasVance> ahh
1450 2010-11-22 16:25:48 <MatthiasVance> I found it, 10.11 is current btw
1451 2010-11-22 16:26:13 <MatthiasVance> or should I specicially install 10.10?
1452 2010-11-22 16:26:17 <MatthiasVance> it does tell you this
1453 2010-11-22 16:26:18 <MatthiasVance> :
1454 2010-11-22 16:26:26 <m0mchil> no, try with 10.11
1455 2010-11-22 16:26:34 <Diablo-D3> 10.11
1456 2010-11-22 16:26:35 <MatthiasVance> okay
1457 2010-11-22 16:26:38 <Diablo-D3> I forgot that was out now
1458 2010-11-22 16:26:45 <MatthiasVance> "If you require an OpenCL 1.1 conformant driver, we recommend that you install the ATI Catalyst 10.10 Driver Suite"
1459 2010-11-22 16:28:12 <Diablo-D3> thankfully you dont
1460 2010-11-22 16:29:00 <MatthiasVance> Good!
1461 2010-11-22 16:29:20 <MatthiasVance> I usually let Steam update my Catalyst drivers
1462 2010-11-22 16:29:53 <Diablo-D3> thats probably why you dont have the right one
1463 2010-11-22 16:30:02 <Diablo-D3> I dont particularly like that feature
1464 2010-11-22 16:30:35 <MatthiasVance> I do. But in the feature I'll be sure to install them manually.
1465 2010-11-22 16:36:47 <xelister> lol? someone sent 0.01 to me
1466 2010-11-22 16:37:06 <xelister> how to see info on this transaction (from cli/json)
1467 2010-11-22 16:38:01 <xelister> again, what was the problem on windows+steam and how u solved it? MatthiasVance?
1468 2010-11-22 16:38:19 <MatthiasVance> I installed the SDK instead of the runtime.
1469 2010-11-22 16:38:38 <MatthiasVance> BUT
1470 2010-11-22 16:38:41 <MatthiasVance> it still doesn't work
1471 2010-11-22 16:38:43 <xelister> so what is the recommended way on windows (most sure to work) to install all that is needed for miner?
1472 2010-11-22 16:38:49 <MatthiasVance> pyopencl.LogicError: clGetPlatformIDs failed: invalid/unknown error code
1473 2010-11-22 16:38:58 <Diablo-D3> MatthiasVance: the sdk contains the runtime
1474 2010-11-22 16:39:03 <MatthiasVance> I know that.
1475 2010-11-22 16:39:07 <Diablo-D3> MatthiasVance: or rather, the cat drivers with the runtime lack the sdk part of the sdk.
1476 2010-11-22 16:39:40 <m0mchil> well, I just installed SDK 2.2 and latest driver... nothing more
1477 2010-11-22 16:39:52 <MatthiasVance> wait
1478 2010-11-22 16:39:57 <MatthiasVance> you still installed the SDK
1479 2010-11-22 16:40:07 <MatthiasVance> but well I know it works, because before it couldn't load the DLL
1480 2010-11-22 16:40:21 <m0mchil> you need SDK and compliant driver - both
1481 2010-11-22 16:40:42 <MatthiasVance> So, NOT just the runtime?
1482 2010-11-22 16:40:44 <xelister> m0mchil: isntalling sdk 2.2 is separate thing on windows? so: 1. get the drivers you need anyway 2. get sdk 2.2 3. get python 4. (no need to install pyopencl thanks to py2exe ?) 5. run bitcoin + miner ?
1483 2010-11-22 16:40:54 <MatthiasVance> remove 3 and 4
1484 2010-11-22 16:41:13 <MatthiasVance> Also 1 for AMD requires downloading not the default driver
1485 2010-11-22 16:41:18 <xelister> so basically on normal windows: 1. install ati stream sdk 2.2 2. run bitcoin+miner
1486 2010-11-22 16:41:29 <Diablo-D3> windows
1487 2010-11-22 16:41:32 <MatthiasVance> you still need the driver
1488 2010-11-22 16:41:38 <Diablo-D3> install catalyst that already has the runtime
1489 2010-11-22 16:41:41 <m0mchil> yes, and driver
1490 2010-11-22 16:41:47 <Diablo-D3> run getwork hacked bitcoin
1491 2010-11-22 16:41:48 <Diablo-D3> run miner
1492 2010-11-22 16:41:49 <xelister> Windows. In software milion flies choose cr*p too
1493 2010-11-22 16:41:51 <Diablo-D3> masturnate to porn
1494 2010-11-22 16:41:58 <MatthiasVance> Diablo-D3 : You are forgetting the SDK install.
1495 2010-11-22 16:42:00 <MatthiasVance> =D
1496 2010-11-22 16:42:01 <xelister> 4. buy hookers with bitcoins
1497 2010-11-22 16:42:04 <xelister> 5. move to nevada
1498 2010-11-22 16:42:06 <xelister> 6. ???
1499 2010-11-22 16:42:07 <xelister> 7. profit
1500 2010-11-22 16:42:23 <xelister> 6 = send hookers to ArtForz's miner center to disable it
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1502 2010-11-22 16:42:56 <Diablo-D3> MatthiasVance: no Im not
1503 2010-11-22 16:43:00 <Diablo-D3> MatthiasVance: [11:33:49] <Diablo-D3> install catalyst that already has the runtime
1504 2010-11-22 16:43:08 <MatthiasVance> Yes well, I did it. And it's not working! =D
1505 2010-11-22 16:43:19 <MatthiasVance> I think I'll try another miner then :(
1506 2010-11-22 16:43:24 <Diablo-D3> MatthiasVance: what video card do you have?
1507 2010-11-22 16:43:27 <MatthiasVance> 4890
1508 2010-11-22 16:43:30 <MatthiasVance> it has "beta support"
1509 2010-11-22 16:43:35 <xelister> MatthiasVance: problems with drivers and sdk will probably affect all miners
1510 2010-11-22 16:43:42 <xelister> but sure, try - perhaps it will work
1511 2010-11-22 16:43:43 <xelister> :)
1512 2010-11-22 16:43:50 <MatthiasVance> Are we even sure it's a driver / sdk issue?
1513 2010-11-22 16:43:55 <MatthiasVance> since it loads now, but errors out later on
1514 2010-11-22 16:43:59 <Diablo-D3> MatthiasVance: I have a 4850. it works.
1515 2010-11-22 16:44:02 <m0mchil> MatthiasVance: can't see any reason why installing SDK 2.2 and catalyst 10.* won't work
1516 2010-11-22 16:44:03 <MatthiasVance> 'clGetPlatformIDs failed' <--
1517 2010-11-22 16:44:16 <Diablo-D3> MatthiasVance: that error is clearly because it cant find the shit it needs.
1518 2010-11-22 16:44:25 <Diablo-D3> you broke something and Im not sure what
1519 2010-11-22 16:44:33 <Diablo-D3> I have used linux for over a decade, and Im not heading back now
1520 2010-11-22 16:44:46 <xelister> start clean? throw out all drivers, install clean drivers+sdk
1521 2010-11-22 16:44:56 <xelister> there is a drivers+SDK package for Radeons windows right?
1522 2010-11-22 16:45:37 <MatthiasVance> yes
1523 2010-11-22 16:46:10 <Diablo-D3> xelister: yes
1524 2010-11-22 16:46:23 <Diablo-D3> MatthiasVance: oh, and there is only one other miner
1525 2010-11-22 16:46:24 <Diablo-D3> mine
1526 2010-11-22 16:46:26 <MatthiasVance> I know that.
1527 2010-11-22 16:46:29 <Diablo-D3> and if that does that on m0's
1528 2010-11-22 16:46:32 <Diablo-D3> it'll do it on mine
1529 2010-11-22 16:50:27 <MatthiasVance> GPU Caps Viewer doesn't even show it's OpenCL capable
1530 2010-11-22 16:50:29 <MatthiasVance> I'll restart
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1535 2010-11-22 17:05:24 <MatthiasVance> Well, it definitely shows as OpenCL capable now.
1536 2010-11-22 17:06:15 <MatthiasVance> There are 2 OpenCL capable devices, my CPU and my GPU, and my CPU seems way more capable (except for the amount of Compute Units of course)
1537 2010-11-22 17:06:30 <MatthiasVance> So, let's try it out.
1538 2010-11-22 17:06:59 <MatthiasVance> It works. :)
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1541 2010-11-22 17:17:43 <MatthiasVance> Ah, ehh, what options should I specify for RPC? :)
1542 2010-11-22 17:19:47 <xelister> edit config
1543 2010-11-22 17:19:52 <xelister> of bitcoin and restart bitcoin
1544 2010-11-22 17:20:51 <MatthiasVance> "edit config" .. useful, there is no configuration file for bitcoin.exe
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1547 2010-11-22 17:24:31 <MatthiasVance> xelister
1548 2010-11-22 17:26:58 <xelister> MatthiasVance:
1549 2010-11-22 17:27:17 <xelister> its ~/.bitcoin on linux
1550 2010-11-22 17:27:25 <xelister> dunno windows
1551 2010-11-22 17:27:29 <MatthiasVance> I'll find it
1552 2010-11-22 17:27:36 <MatthiasVance> Are the changes obvious?
1553 2010-11-22 17:28:50 <MatthiasVance> hmm can't find anything like it :o
1554 2010-11-22 17:29:43 <MatthiasVance> 'However, beginning with Bitcoin 0.3.3 you must create a 'bitcoin.conf' file in the Bitcoin data'
1555 2010-11-22 17:29:43 <MatthiasVance> ah
1556 2010-11-22 17:29:44 <MatthiasVance> clear
1557 2010-11-22 17:30:21 <xelister> so where was this file exacly?
1558 2010-11-22 17:30:26 <xelister> whats path in windows
1559 2010-11-22 17:30:31 <MatthiasVance> Read what I pasted.
1560 2010-11-22 17:30:40 <xelister> yeah, wtf is "bitcoin data"
1561 2010-11-22 17:30:47 <MatthiasVance> *directory
1562 2010-11-22 17:31:07 <xelister> located nex to whre you unpacked bitcoin? or some Documents or some Programms and settings shit ;)
1563 2010-11-22 17:31:22 <MatthiasVance> The one in %APPDATA%
1564 2010-11-22 17:32:38 <OneFixt> ;;bc,estimate
1565 2010-11-22 17:32:38 <gribble> 6834.07656746
1566 2010-11-22 17:35:58 <anarchy> ;;bc,stats
1567 2010-11-22 17:36:01 <gribble> Current Blocks: 93301 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94752 | Next Difficulty In: 1451 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 2 hours, 59 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6834.07656746
1568 2010-11-22 17:36:41 <MatthiasVance> xelister : Well it still fails to communicate with it.
1569 2010-11-22 17:45:35 <MatthiasVance> I have a question, does the processing go to waste if you shutdown the program? :)
1570 2010-11-22 17:45:56 <MatthiasVance> As in, will it start all over again with it's job
1571 2010-11-22 17:51:34 <MatthiasVance> nvm
1572 2010-11-22 18:03:35 <edcba> there is no waste
1573 2010-11-22 18:03:59 <edcba> it's more luck process
1574 2010-11-22 18:04:42 <edcba> lotto with millions tickets each second
1575 2010-11-22 18:10:57 <MatthiasVance> Not each second, but more when a block is succesfully generated, right
1576 2010-11-22 18:13:02 <xelister> tickets are each second. each hash is a ticket
1577 2010-11-22 18:13:09 <xelister> you generates normally like 100 milions hashes per second
1578 2010-11-22 18:13:25 <MatthiasVance> ahh
1579 2010-11-22 18:13:32 <MatthiasVance> 100 million
1580 2010-11-22 18:13:34 <MatthiasVance> for one user
1581 2010-11-22 18:13:35 <MatthiasVance> noway
1582 2010-11-22 18:13:38 <xelister> yes
1583 2010-11-22 18:13:49 <MatthiasVance> O right
1584 2010-11-22 18:13:52 <MatthiasVance> kilohash/sec
1585 2010-11-22 18:13:54 <MatthiasVance> etc
1586 2010-11-22 18:14:04 <xelister> I generate now 156321 khash/sec
1587 2010-11-22 18:14:09 <xelister> which is, 156 milion
1588 2010-11-22 18:14:30 <MatthiasVance> ~6000 khash / sec on my CPU, ~87 000 khash / sec on my GPU
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1590 2010-11-22 18:19:26 <grondilu> Hi. I've started an other auction for a 1g mini bar : http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1730.0
1591 2010-11-22 18:21:03 <MatthiasVance> You refer (in your OP) to an image.
1592 2010-11-22 18:21:08 <MatthiasVance> I don't see that image. Do I have to log in?
1593 2010-11-22 18:22:24 <grondilu> I guess
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1604 2010-11-22 19:35:57 <grondilu> Hi, I think I gave a wrong link for my gold auction. Here is the good one : http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1887.0
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1606 2010-11-22 19:43:46 <brocktice> ;;bc,stats
1607 2010-11-22 19:43:49 <gribble> Current Blocks: 93321 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94752 | Next Difficulty In: 1431 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 21 hours, 11 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6904.62271105
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1610 2010-11-22 20:10:25 <xelister> old news, but fun
1611 2010-11-22 20:10:26 <xelister> This makes the second time in the last thirteen months that a Microsoft Windows-based server system suffered a catastrophic public failure at a major, public site. Last September, it was the London Stock Exchange that was knocked out of business. They got the clue. The London Stock Exchange decided to move its core trading infrastructure to Linux.
1612 2010-11-22 20:10:30 <xelister> http://blogs.computerworld.com/london_stock_exchange_suffers_net_crash
1613 2010-11-22 20:14:56 * brocktice can't imagine why anyone would want to run anything mission-critical on Windows, given the choice.
1614 2010-11-22 20:15:19 <xelister> well, it was the microsoft running it
1615 2010-11-22 20:15:43 <xelister> well there is a reason even microsoft uses LAMP/apache for own servers :]
1616 2010-11-22 20:18:48 <OneFixt> ;;bc,estimate
1617 2010-11-22 20:18:50 <gribble> 6927.06605861
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1619 2010-11-22 20:26:28 <OneFixt> ;;bc,stas
1620 2010-11-22 20:26:29 <gribble> Error: "bc,stas" is not a valid command.
1621 2010-11-22 20:26:30 <OneFixt> ;;bc,stats
1622 2010-11-22 20:26:32 <gribble> Current Blocks: 93326 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94752 | Next Difficulty In: 1426 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 19 hours, 36 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6927.06605861
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1624 2010-11-22 21:03:20 black has left ("Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is")
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1627 2010-11-22 21:43:43 <xelister> does Diablo's miner run on XP?
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1629 2010-11-22 21:58:11 <jgarzik> xelister: your XP drivers are probably too old for OpenCL, aren't they?
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1631 2010-11-22 22:13:57 <xelister> jgarzik: dunno. Dont have this box here
1632 2010-11-22 22:15:53 <xelister> ATI Stream SDK [...] Supported Operating Systems: [..] Microsoft® Windows® XP -> SP3 (32-bit) SP2 (64-bit)
1633 2010-11-22 22:16:03 <xelister> according to amd.com so looks promising
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1638 2010-11-22 22:34:41 <ArtForz> http://www.expreview.com/12796.html
1639 2010-11-22 22:35:56 <xelister> uhuhhuh
1640 2010-11-22 22:38:03 <ArtForz> yeouch
1641 2010-11-22 22:38:14 <ArtForz> check slide 6
1642 2010-11-22 22:38:22 <ArtForz> 2 32 bit adds/clock
1643 2010-11-22 22:38:37 <ArtForz> 58xx could do 4 ...
1644 2010-11-22 22:38:47 <xelister> 1/4 SP speed for FP. so, is it finally as good/better then NV in floating point?
1645 2010-11-22 22:39:23 <ArtForz> 58xx was already better than nv consumer cards for DP FP
1646 2010-11-22 22:40:14 <ArtForz> DP perf for tesla is 1/2 SP, for GTX 1/8 SP, 58xx 1/5 SP, looks like 69xx will be 1/4 SP
1647 2010-11-22 22:40:49 <ArtForz> let's hope they didnt cripple bit ops similarly to 32 bit adds
1648 2010-11-22 22:41:02 <xelister> btw nvidia 4000... good?
1649 2010-11-22 22:41:09 <ArtForz> 4000 ?
1650 2010-11-22 22:41:37 <xelister> oh I check it. GOD NO
1651 2010-11-22 22:41:39 <xelister> nm
1652 2010-11-22 22:42:11 <ArtForz> hrrrm... all the slides show it that it has 16+ SIMDs
1653 2010-11-22 22:44:18 <ArtForz> I should probably just compile my kernel to ASM for GPU arch 15 (the mysterious 4-wide VLIW) and see how bad a hit it takes
1654 2010-11-22 22:44:35 <ArtForz> oh, wait >20 SIMDs for 6870
1655 2010-11-22 22:44:57 <ArtForz> so.. >1280 ALUs
1656 2010-11-22 22:59:48 <djoot> Mt. Gox Ticker for gdesklets @ http://djoot.se/mtgoxticker.tgz if anyone wants that. Unpack it to ~/.gdesklets/ and it should work. Controls in Controls directory might not be needed if you already have them.
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1659 2010-11-22 23:30:26 <xelister> djoot: sounds cool
1660 2010-11-22 23:36:32 <djoot> thanks xelister, I find it useful. That's why I wrote it... It's my first desklet though, so maybe not so professional :)
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