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   9 2010-11-23 01:02:46 <OneFixt> ;;bc,stats
  10 2010-11-23 01:02:48 <gribble> Current Blocks: 93353 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94752 | Next Difficulty In: 1399 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 15 hours, 34 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6913.96131987
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  15 2010-11-23 01:21:28 <brocktice> djoot: nice, checking it out
  16 2010-11-23 01:25:13 <djoot> cool, not the prettiest formatting on the output, but it serves its purpose :)
  17 2010-11-23 01:25:16 <brocktice> hm, it could benefit from some newlines
  18 2010-11-23 01:25:25 <brocktice> but yeah, looks functional
  19 2010-11-23 01:25:28 * brocktice downloads
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  21 2010-11-23 01:29:59 <brocktice> hm, I started gdesklets, but I don't see it anywhere?
  22 2010-11-23 01:30:21 <brocktice> either it's broken (gdesklets, not your ticker) or it's rather counterintuitive
  23 2010-11-23 01:31:22 <djoot> right-click the gdesklets statusicon and pick manage desklets
  24 2010-11-23 01:31:38 <brocktice> yeah must be broken
  25 2010-11-23 01:31:40 <brocktice> there is no such icon
  26 2010-11-23 01:31:46 * brocktice investigates
  27 2010-11-23 01:32:54 <djoot> or run: gdesklets open ~/.gdesklets/Displays/MtGoxTicker/mtgoxticker.display
  28 2010-11-23 01:35:05 <djoot> brocktice: no dice?
  29 2010-11-23 01:36:50 <brocktice> ahh ubuntu breakage
  30 2010-11-23 01:36:52 <brocktice> working around
  31 2010-11-23 01:39:10 <djoot> gdesklets breakage in ubuntu?
  32 2010-11-23 01:42:05 <brocktice> djoot: yeah, I got it working, built it myself, but now your desklet is not working
  33 2010-11-23 01:42:16 <brocktice> it barfs on the IGetHTML:hexstuff
  34 2010-11-23 01:42:21 <brocktice> Do I need some packages or something?
  35 2010-11-23 01:42:37 <brocktice> also 'global name 'geturl' is not defined
  36 2010-11-23 01:43:02 <brocktice> is this python? what is this?
  37 2010-11-23 01:43:40 <brocktice> "No control could be found for interface IGetHTML:azt36jhp....
  38 2010-11-23 01:46:21 <djoot> do you have the GetHTML directory in ~/.gdesklets/Controls/ ?
  39 2010-11-23 01:46:37 <brocktice> I have nothing in there
  40 2010-11-23 01:46:41 <brocktice> do I need a plugin or something?
  41 2010-11-23 01:46:59 <brocktice> I'd never tried gDesklets before just now, in case that's not obvious. :)
  42 2010-11-23 01:47:15 <djoot> just extract the tgz in ~/.gdesklets/ directory, I think it should work then
  43 2010-11-23 01:48:27 <brocktice> AHA
  44 2010-11-23 01:48:29 <brocktice> that did it, thanks
  45 2010-11-23 01:48:34 <djoot> nice :)
  46 2010-11-23 01:48:37 <brocktice> I installed it from the GUI, that doesn't work I guess.
  47 2010-11-23 01:49:34 <djoot> aah.. It should work.. but you need the GetHTML control, which I bundled in the package :)
  48 2010-11-23 01:49:53 <brocktice> unfortunately that address in the config screen is not copy/paste-able, would you mind pasting the address here or msging me with it?
  49 2010-11-23 01:50:01 <brocktice> I don't dare try to retype it accurately
  50 2010-11-23 01:50:13 <brocktice> I guess it must be in the source, eh?
  51 2010-11-23 01:50:18 <djoot> about - credits, if you want to donate :)
  52 2010-11-23 01:50:20 <djoot> yep
  53 2010-11-23 01:50:54 <brocktice> I was looking at it in the main config screen
  54 2010-11-23 01:51:03 <brocktice> the credits textbox worked fine, thanks!
  55 2010-11-23 01:51:36 <djoot> no, thank you! :)
  56 2010-11-23 01:53:07 <brocktice> now I can be even more obsessed with the market
  57 2010-11-23 01:53:10 <brocktice> :/
  58 2010-11-23 01:54:09 <djoot> heh, I hear ya :)
  59 2010-11-23 01:56:38 <brocktice> ooh apparently I got a tx fee?
  60 2010-11-23 01:57:18 <ArtForz> quite possible, the faucet now attaches a 0.01 fee to every tx
  61 2010-11-23 01:57:55 <brocktice> http://theymos.ath.cx:64150/bbe/tx/dcb2238f56de828a8dcf378d346595d32cf063ae0e2db5566656cf36d8944b31
  62 2010-11-23 01:58:15 <ArtForz> yep, faucet
  63 2010-11-23 01:58:29 <brocktice> how do you tell?
  64 2010-11-23 01:58:48 <ArtForz> 0.5 btc TX
  65 2010-11-23 01:59:03 <ArtForz> last tx in that block
  66 2010-11-23 01:59:14 <brocktice> ahhh
  67 2010-11-23 01:59:30 <ArtForz> follow the tx chain from that one forward/backward and you find shitloads of 0.5 and 0.05 txes
  68 2010-11-23 02:00:01 <ArtForz> s/chain/tree/
  69 2010-11-23 02:00:14 <brocktice> gavinandresen: any reason I shouldn't send the facuet fee back?
  70 2010-11-23 02:00:59 <brocktice> faucet only pays on sending txes right?
  71 2010-11-23 02:01:04 <ArtForz> yep
  72 2010-11-23 02:01:12 <brocktice> yeah might as well send it back.
  73 2010-11-23 02:02:42 <brocktice> oh awesome, chaord is accepting credit cards
  74 2010-11-23 02:02:45 <brocktice> hope that lasts
  75 2010-11-23 02:04:22 <ArtForz> yeah, pretty neat
  76 2010-11-23 02:04:47 <brocktice> This crazy little experiment might work yet.
  77 2010-11-23 02:07:19 <ArtForz> his anti-fraud measures sound good
  78 2010-11-23 02:08:04 <brocktice> oh? They're not listed on the site. Should I search the forums?
  79 2010-11-23 02:08:12 <brocktice> ah yes
  80 2010-11-23 02:08:14 <ArtForz> yep
  81 2010-11-23 02:08:17 <ArtForz> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1888.0
  82 2010-11-23 02:08:59 <brocktice> djoot: what's it mean when the ticker changes from black to red?
  83 2010-11-23 02:09:05 <brocktice> updating?
  84 2010-11-23 02:09:44 <brocktice> wow, yeah, pretty thorough
  85 2010-11-23 02:10:10 <djoot> ticker change
  86 2010-11-23 02:10:32 <ArtForz> his measures should cut down actual CC fraud to near 0
  87 2010-11-23 02:11:04 <brocktice> it looks pretty good
  88 2010-11-23 02:11:16 <brocktice> someone would have to pretty royally fuck your CC account first to fake it
  89 2010-11-23 02:11:22 <brocktice> can't prevent chargebacks though
  90 2010-11-23 02:11:30 <ArtForz> yep
  91 2010-11-23 02:11:36 <brocktice> might be able to argue them with the issuer.
  92 2010-11-23 02:11:44 <brocktice> given that degree of evidence.
  93 2010-11-23 02:11:58 <ArtForz> good luck with that, especially if you can't provide shipping trace
  94 2010-11-23 02:12:13 <brocktice> "Here's a bitcoin transaction ID, you can check the block."
  95 2010-11-23 02:12:19 <brocktice> "A hoozawhatsit?"
  96 2010-11-23 02:12:24 <ArtForz> hahaha
  97 2010-11-23 02:13:02 <brocktice> 5770 eyefinity 5 arrives tomorrow, so we'll finally see about that 4-monitor setup.
  98 2010-11-23 02:13:24 <brocktice> ubuntu lucid keeps screwing with my fakeXinerama symlinks, so if I can avoid that it would be nice.
  99 2010-11-23 02:13:27 <brocktice> Compiz would be nice, too.
 100 2010-11-23 02:14:00 <brocktice> ahahaha I just noticed the stacks of benjamins on the mtgox blog header
 101 2010-11-23 02:14:11 <ArtForz> nowadays it might be better, but years back we had a "creative" way to circumvent the proof-of-shipping-for-digital-goods thing
 102 2010-11-23 02:15:29 <ArtForz> for larger amounts we mailed a "activation code"
 103 2010-11-23 02:17:45 <brocktice> makes sense
 104 2010-11-23 02:18:11 <brocktice> you could mail a wallet by making a fresh one, loading it, sending it on a flash drive, and then the recipient offloads the full balance to their address, right?
 105 2010-11-23 02:18:29 <ArtForz> if the client made it easier, yep
 106 2010-11-23 02:18:29 <brocktice> no way to reverse after that last step?
 107 2010-11-23 02:18:35 <ArtForz> yep
 108 2010-11-23 02:19:13 <brocktice> I heard some rumblings a while back that the client might be getting some updates in terms of separate accounts, etc.
 109 2010-11-23 02:19:51 <ArtForz> afaik gavin already commited part of the accounts stuff
 110 2010-11-23 02:20:28 <ArtForz> basically it allows you to sort your own keypairs+associated tx into accounts
 111 2010-11-23 02:21:00 <ArtForz> so instead of assigning your receiving addrs a label you can assign a account
 112 2010-11-23 02:21:04 <brocktice> that would be quite useful, I now have both personal and business bitcoins and tracking them is kind of annoying.
 113 2010-11-23 02:21:10 <ArtForz> yep
 114 2010-11-23 02:21:18 <ArtForz> r188 I think
 115 2010-11-23 02:21:35 <ArtForz> we also get 2 new rpc calls, move and sendfrom
 116 2010-11-23 02:21:48 <djoot> brocktice: new version with changing font color on updated ticker as well, (if you want to make it invisible or something) :)
 117 2010-11-23 02:21:56 <ArtForz> move = move btc from one account to another
 118 2010-11-23 02:22:10 <ArtForz> sendfrom = send from specific account
 119 2010-11-23 02:23:01 <ArtForz> I *think* all existing stuff ends up in the default "" account
 120 2010-11-23 02:24:03 <ArtForz> we also got getreceivedbyacount and listreceivedbyaccount
 121 2010-11-23 02:25:16 <brocktice> I like listtransactions
 122 2010-11-23 02:25:18 <brocktice> using that now
 123 2010-11-23 02:25:34 <brocktice> otherwise no way to see generations on my miner without logging in and launching the gui
 124 2010-11-23 02:25:37 <brocktice> which seems silly
 125 2010-11-23 02:25:43 <brocktice> (Other than my miner logs)
 126 2010-11-23 02:25:49 <ArtForz> yeah
 127 2010-11-23 02:26:40 <ArtForz> anyways, IMO the account system is quite useful
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 130 2010-11-23 02:36:33 <delta9> victor john juniorcreative" way to circumvent the proof-of-shipping-for-digital-goods
 131 2010-11-23 02:36:35 <delta9>                  thing
 132 2010-11-23 02:36:38 <delta9> 21:07 < ArtForz> for larger amounts we mailed a "activation code"
 133 2010-11-23 02:36:41 <delta9> 21:09 < brocktice> makes sense
 134 2010-11-23 02:36:43 <delta9> 21:10 < brocktice> you could mail a wallet by making a fresh one, loading it, sending it on a flash drive, and then the recipient offloads the full balance to their address, right?
 135 2010-11-23 02:36:47 <delta9> 21:10 < ArtForz> if the client made it easier, yep
 136 2010-11-23 02:36:50 <delta9> 21:10 < brocktice> no way to reverse after that last step?
 137 2010-11-23 02:36:52 <delta9> 21:10 < ArtForz> yep
 138 2010-11-23 02:36:55 <delta9> 21:11 < brocktice> I heard some rumblings a while back that the client might be getting some updates in terms of separate accounts, etc.
 139 2010-11-23 02:36:58 <delta9> 21:12 < ArtForz> afaik gavin already commited part of the accounts stuff
 140 2010-11-23 02:37:00 <delta9> 21:12 < ArtForz> basically it allows you to sort your own keypairs+associated tx into accounts
 141 2010-11-23 02:37:03 <delta9> 21:13 < ArtForz> so instead of assigning your receiving addrs a label you can assign a account
 142 2010-11-23 02:37:06 <delta9> 21:13 < brocktice> that would be quite useful, I now have both personal and business bitcoins and tracking them is kind of annoying.
 143 2010-11-23 02:37:09 <delta9> 21:13 < ArtForz> yep
 144 2010-11-23 02:37:12 <delta9> 21:13 < ArtForz> r188 I think
 145 2010-11-23 02:37:14 <delta9> 21:13 < ArtForz> we also get 2 new rpc calls, move and sendfrom
 146 2010-11-23 02:37:17 <delta9> 21:13 < djoot> brocktice: new version with changing font color on updated ticker as well, (if you want to make it invisible or something) :)
 147 2010-11-23 02:37:20 <delta9> 21:14 < ArtForz> move = move btc from one account to another
 148 2010-11-23 02:37:22 <delta9> 21:14 < ArtForz> sendfrom = send from specific account
 149 2010-11-23 02:37:25 <delta9> 21:15 < ArtForz> I *think* all existing stuff ends up in the default "" account
 150 2010-11-23 02:37:28 <delta9> 21:16 < ArtForz> we also got getreceivedbyacount and listreceivedbyaccount
 151 2010-11-23 02:37:30 <delta9> 21:17 < brocktice> I like listtransactions
 152 2010-11-23 02:37:33 <delta9> 21:17 < brocktice> using that now
 153 2010-11-23 02:37:35 <delta9> 21:17 < brocktice> otherwise no way to see generations on my miner without logging in and launching the gui
 154 2010-11-23 02:37:38 <delta9> 21:17 < brocktice> which seems silly
 155 2010-11-23 02:37:41 <delta9> 21:17 < brocktice> (Other than my miner logs)
 156 2010-11-23 02:37:46 <ArtForz> is there an echo in here?
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 161 2010-11-23 02:38:24 <delta9> woops
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 165 2010-11-23 02:59:19 <OneFixt> ;;bc,stats
 166 2010-11-23 02:59:21 <gribble> Current Blocks: 93369 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94752 | Next Difficulty In: 1383 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 11 hours, 42 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6951.23074648
 167 2010-11-23 03:04:33 ebenizer has joined
 168 2010-11-23 03:06:36 <ebenizer> anyone have difficulty generating using m0mchil's latest (r186) miner?
 169 2010-11-23 03:13:04 Kiba has joined
 170 2010-11-23 03:16:38 <nanotube> ;;bc,mtgox
 171 2010-11-23 03:16:38 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.2879,"low":0.269,"vol":28522,"buy":0.2805,"sell":0.2845,"last":0.2805}}
 172 2010-11-23 03:20:19 <Kiba> slowly and slowly inching their way to .30 BTCs price range
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 174 2010-11-23 03:24:59 <Diablo-D3> https://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=bitcoin_miners
 175 2010-11-23 03:25:03 <Diablo-D3> someone should update that
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 177 2010-11-23 03:27:20 <Kiba> hmm
 178 2010-11-23 03:27:22 <Kiba> no uploading today
 179 2010-11-23 03:27:30 <Kiba> hippich's site is down
 180 2010-11-23 03:29:02 <ColonelPanic1> I will be contributing once I learn C++
 181 2010-11-23 03:29:13 <ColonelPanic1> until then, I am here to learn
 182 2010-11-23 03:29:24 <Kiba> JESUS
 183 2010-11-23 03:29:26 <Kiba> I am so tired
 184 2010-11-23 03:29:32 <Kiba> ColonelPanic1: learning what?
 185 2010-11-23 03:29:36 <Kiba> err contributing what?
 186 2010-11-23 03:30:00 <Kiba> in addition, why are you learning C++?
 187 2010-11-23 03:30:13 <ColonelPanic1> I thought the client was written in c++
 188 2010-11-23 03:30:23 <ColonelPanic1> and just learning about BC in general
 189 2010-11-23 03:30:28 <Kiba> my impression is that it is written in C
 190 2010-11-23 03:30:34 <ColonelPanic1> oh, well good
 191 2010-11-23 03:30:39 <ArtForz> wha? it's C++
 192 2010-11-23 03:30:45 <ColonelPanic1> okay, that's what I thought
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 195 2010-11-23 03:46:39 <nanotube> yep, cpp, with the boost library
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 198 2010-11-23 03:49:48 <ColonelPanic1> do you gents suspect that GPU acceleration will be built into the standard client eventually?
 199 2010-11-23 03:49:57 <jgarzik> who knows the mind of satoshi
 200 2010-11-23 03:50:01 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|maybe
 201 2010-11-23 03:50:21 <ArtForz> unlikely
 202 2010-11-23 03:50:31 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|probably not
 203 2010-11-23 03:50:39 <jgarzik> I bet the standard, unmodified client contributes less than 50% of the network power these days
 204 2010-11-23 03:50:44 <ArtForz> getwork support ... probably
 205 2010-11-23 03:50:45 <ColonelPanic1> damnit
 206 2010-11-23 03:50:50 <ColonelPanic1> things have changed a lot
 207 2010-11-23 03:50:56 <ColonelPanic1> last time I looked at BC, it was about june-july
 208 2010-11-23 03:51:01 <ColonelPanic1> I generated 200BC a day
 209 2010-11-23 03:51:33 <jgarzik> agreed.  Integrating CUDA or OpenCL in upstream means a linking nightmare, and it's no longer 100% open source.  remote mining (getwork, or similar) is much more realistic.
 210 2010-11-23 03:51:40 <ArtForz> yep
 211 2010-11-23 03:51:46 <ColonelPanic1> so what would you guys suggest as the best client to take advantage of a radeon 5850 and an i7?
 212 2010-11-23 03:52:04 <ArtForz> m0mchils or diablos opencl miner
 213 2010-11-23 03:52:06 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|yeah
 214 2010-11-23 03:52:12 <jgarzik> ColonelPanic1: standard client + m0mchil getwork patch + an opencl miner
 215 2010-11-23 03:52:15 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|I stopped running bitcoin around 3.10
 216 2010-11-23 03:52:23 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|cause I didn't feel like updating
 217 2010-11-23 03:52:29 <ColonelPanic1> so how do I set that up
 218 2010-11-23 03:52:29 <ArtForz> that 5850 should get 230Mhash/sec+
 219 2010-11-23 03:52:42 <ColonelPanic1> ffffff
 220 2010-11-23 03:52:47 <johnyh> ArtForz: what best/biggest mainboard you have? 2 or 4 slot?
 221 2010-11-23 03:52:51 <ArtForz> 4 slot
 222 2010-11-23 03:53:20 <ArtForz> and 230 Mhps = about 35.5h/block at current difficulty
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 224 2010-11-23 03:53:41 <ColonelPanic1> okay
 225 2010-11-23 03:53:44 <ColonelPanic1> someone help me out here
 226 2010-11-23 03:53:48 <ArtForz> not too bad considering 50BTC are like $14 now
 227 2010-11-23 03:54:14 * Kiba considers creating a banner
 228 2010-11-23 03:54:35 <ColonelPanic1> so I'm guessing these GPU accelerated clients only operate efficiently on windows?
 229 2010-11-23 03:54:41 <ArtForz> nope
 230 2010-11-23 03:54:47 <ArtForz> all linux here
 231 2010-11-23 03:54:56 <ColonelPanic1> oh yes?
 232 2010-11-23 03:54:59 <ColonelPanic1> lovely
 233 2010-11-23 03:55:37 <jgarzik> ColonelPanic1: you need the vendor drivers, under Linux
 234 2010-11-23 03:56:02 <ColonelPanic1> yes, yes
 235 2010-11-23 03:56:35 <ColonelPanic1> I just figured it would have been a hassle to do it that way for the developers
 236 2010-11-23 03:57:02 <ArtForz> for crazy multiGPU setups linux seems a lot less problematic than windows
 237 2010-11-23 03:57:05 <ColonelPanic1> I'm using the proprietary fglrx driver
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 240 2010-11-23 04:03:09 <jgarzik> MadHatter's http://www.bitcoin2cc.com/ looks nice
 241 2010-11-23 04:03:15 <jgarzik> fills a niche
 242 2010-11-23 04:04:54 <ColonelPanic1> okay so, what software do I need to get my 5850 pumping out BC?
 243 2010-11-23 04:05:42 <Kiba> two niches are filled in one day
 244 2010-11-23 04:06:09 <ArtForz> bitcoin client with m0mchils getwork patch, m0mchils python miner or diablo-d3s java miner, fglrx, AMD stream SDK
 245 2010-11-23 04:06:35 <jgarzik> git://github.com/m0mchil/poclbm.git
 246 2010-11-23 04:07:17 <ArtForz> stream sdk 2.1 is older and needs a few workarounds to get max perf on radeon 5xxx, sdk 2.2 eats 100% cpu on one core and fails hard with multiGPU setups
 247 2010-11-23 04:08:23 <ArtForz> unless I missed something that should be about it
 248 2010-11-23 04:08:35 <ColonelPanic1> this sounds complicated
 249 2010-11-23 04:08:47 <ArtForz> which is why it probably wont make it into mainline
 250 2010-11-23 04:08:54 <nanotube> jgarzik: ooh nice.
 251 2010-11-23 04:08:59 <nanotube> jgarzik: i mean, the bitcoin2cc
 252 2010-11-23 04:10:20 <Kiba> bitcoingateway!
 253 2010-11-23 04:18:11 <Kiba> I am already expereincing withdrawl syndrome due to the lack of hippich's site
 254 2010-11-23 04:18:24 <nanotube> heh
 255 2010-11-23 04:19:58 <Kiba> WANNNA make money
 256 2010-11-23 04:26:02 <nanotube> doesn't everyone? :)
 257 2010-11-23 04:30:21 <hippich> hey. i am missing something. what you kiba are expiriencing? =) my server is getting moved from one datacenter into another one )
 258 2010-11-23 04:30:26 FreeMoney has joined
 259 2010-11-23 04:30:53 <Kiba> I WANNA MAKE MONEY
 260 2010-11-23 04:30:54 <Kiba> that's why
 261 2010-11-23 04:30:58 <Kiba> but then my parents are alseep
 262 2010-11-23 04:31:01 <Kiba> so no scanner for me
 263 2010-11-23 04:31:27 <hippich> scanner.. parents are asleepp.. i am lost ))
 264 2010-11-23 04:31:58 <ColonelPanic1> how I shot patch
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 266 2010-11-23 04:32:22 <djoot> hey there hippich
 267 2010-11-23 04:32:41 <djoot> guess that answers my question
 268 2010-11-23 04:32:43 <imnichol> Hey Kiba you there?
 269 2010-11-23 04:32:54 <Kiba> WHAT?
 270 2010-11-23 04:32:55 <imnichol> If you are: I owe you some btc
 271 2010-11-23 04:33:20 <imnichol> My apologies for dropping off the face of the earth: shit happened
 272 2010-11-23 04:33:37 <hippich> howdy djoot!
 273 2010-11-23 04:33:59 <Kiba> You owe me some bitcoins?
 274 2010-11-23 04:34:06 <djoot> betco.in down... :)
 275 2010-11-23 04:34:23 <Kiba> downism is having its fun for the time being
 276 2010-11-23 04:34:29 <djoot> hope my coins are not lost..
 277 2010-11-23 04:34:34 <Kiba> but upism is responding!
 278 2010-11-23 04:34:40 <imnichol> Yeah, you fronted my some a few months back
 279 2010-11-23 04:34:46 <imnichol> And my plans just didn't get together
 280 2010-11-23 04:34:52 <Kiba> oh that.
 281 2010-11-23 04:35:01 <Kiba> escrow.
 282 2010-11-23 04:35:04 <imnichol> Yeah
 283 2010-11-23 04:35:07 FreeMoney has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
 284 2010-11-23 04:35:12 <Kiba> how much do you owe me?
 285 2010-11-23 04:35:55 <imnichol> Can't remember off the top of my head
 286 2010-11-23 04:36:03 <imnichol> You still have the same address?
 287 2010-11-23 04:36:14 <imnichol> I'll get them to you next friday
 288 2010-11-23 04:36:28 <Kiba> whatever it may be the case
 289 2010-11-23 04:36:39 <Kiba> 1AMVDD55BQ19RyFQUN4Kt4WvD6ECryu33F
 290 2010-11-23 04:37:07 <Kiba> The likelyhood of breaking forum record is very high
 291 2010-11-23 04:37:15 <Kiba> we just might beat July
 292 2010-11-23 04:40:19 FreeMoney has joined
 293 2010-11-23 04:43:10 <nanotube> hey FreeMoney :)
 294 2010-11-23 04:43:24 <FreeMoney> hi
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 301 2010-11-23 05:08:17 <Diablo-D3> did ColonelPanic1 get what he wanted?
 302 2010-11-23 05:08:55 <nanotube> think he's still working on it
 303 2010-11-23 05:12:44 <Kiba> hopefully imnichol will give me money back
 304 2010-11-23 05:13:50 <ColonelPanic1> I am giving up for the night
 305 2010-11-23 05:13:55 <ColonelPanic1> because stupid gf was distracting
 306 2010-11-23 05:14:13 <ColonelPanic1> can I put any of the command line arguments in bitcoin.conf?
 307 2010-11-23 05:15:58 <nanotube> speaking of money back... hopefully kiba will repay me the loan by the deadline... :)
 308 2010-11-23 05:16:00 <nanotube> ColonelPanic1: i think you can... though can't say i've tried to myself.
 309 2010-11-23 05:16:10 <Kiba> what's the deadline, nanotube?
 310 2010-11-23 05:16:17 <Kiba> I have enough to pay it back
 311 2010-11-23 05:16:30 <ColonelPanic1> I want it to have things such as min=1, daemon=1, gen=1, server=1
 312 2010-11-23 05:16:35 <ColonelPanic1> don't know if its working properly though
 313 2010-11-23 05:17:08 <ColonelPanic1> oh, it is
 314 2010-11-23 05:17:20 <Kiba> hmm
 315 2010-11-23 05:17:21 <ColonelPanic1> got a few fatal exceptions the first time
 316 2010-11-23 05:17:27 <Kiba> I got some very good images from 4chan.
 317 2010-11-23 05:17:34 <Kiba> reference images...
 318 2010-11-23 05:17:37 <ColonelPanic1> really needs the "=1" for the ones where it isn't specified in the help file
 319 2010-11-23 05:19:02 <Kiba> I heard, we're going to see the first international bitcoin meetup in December
 320 2010-11-23 05:19:10 <ColonelPanic1> whats the location?
 321 2010-11-23 05:20:08 <Kiba> NYC
 322 2010-11-23 05:20:46 <ColonelPanic1> considering that
 323 2010-11-23 05:21:13 <ColonelPanic1> although, can't say I'm a big fan of the sprawl
 324 2010-11-23 05:21:23 <nanotube> Kiba: according to my records, loan was made on nov 4. loan term is 30 days, so deadline is dec 4
 325 2010-11-23 05:29:38 <Kiba> no school for the rest of the week!
 326 2010-11-23 05:29:39 <Kiba> YAYA
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 328 2010-11-23 05:44:10 <Xunie> Wow, I got 60 connections! :D
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 334 2010-11-23 06:02:36 <Diablo-D3> Kiba: heh
 335 2010-11-23 06:04:06 * Kiba do his drawing thing
 336 2010-11-23 06:04:10 <Kiba> for tommorow upload
 337 2010-11-23 06:06:16 <Kiba> if there is one thing that I sucks at, it's drawing hands. Small hands.
 338 2010-11-23 06:07:47 fedorared has quit (Quit: fedorared)
 339 2010-11-23 06:09:07 * Diablo-D3 puts on a boxing glove
 340 2010-11-23 06:09:11 <Diablo-D3> DIABLO ROCKET FIST
 341 2010-11-23 06:09:19 * Diablo-D3 throws it at kiba
 342 2010-11-23 06:13:26 imnichol has quit (Quit: too cool for school)
 343 2010-11-23 06:13:44 <Kiba> there are lot of decent bounties lately
 344 2010-11-23 06:13:51 <Kiba> BUT NOBODY BROTHERS to complete them
 345 2010-11-23 06:26:30 * Kiba thinks he drew some sexy legs
 346 2010-11-23 06:36:13 <OneFixt> ;;bc,stats
 347 2010-11-23 06:36:16 <gribble> Current Blocks: 93386 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94752 | Next Difficulty In: 1366 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 10 hours, 32 minutes, and 15 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6901.12113171
 348 2010-11-23 06:43:44 <hippich> betco.in and ub.yepcorp.com back online again )
 349 2010-11-23 06:44:20 <Kiba> oh goodie
 350 2010-11-23 06:44:24 <Kiba> I just need to get to a scanner
 351 2010-11-23 06:45:40 <Kiba> nopie :(
 352 2010-11-23 06:51:11 <hippich> what is "scanner"? scanning what?
 353 2010-11-23 06:53:23 <hippich> ah.
 354 2010-11-23 06:53:26 <hippich> got it ))))
 355 2010-11-23 06:53:32 <hippich> you handdraw images? =)
 356 2010-11-23 06:55:13 <Kiba> hai.
 357 2010-11-23 06:59:44 <Kiba> might as well goto sleep
 358 2010-11-23 06:59:45 <Kiba> night
 359 2010-11-23 06:59:53 <hippich> cya
 360 2010-11-23 07:00:05 <OneFixt> ;;bc,stats
 361 2010-11-23 07:00:07 <gribble> Current Blocks: 93388 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94752 | Next Difficulty In: 1364 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 10 hours, 21 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6896.52307043
 362 2010-11-23 07:04:19 Kiba has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
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 365 2010-11-23 07:23:37 <Diablo-D3> man
 366 2010-11-23 07:23:40 <Diablo-D3> quakelive is hilarious
 367 2010-11-23 07:23:46 <Diablo-D3> for 5 rounds in a row I laid the smack down in ctf
 368 2010-11-23 07:56:40 <Diablo-D3> uh oh.
 369 2010-11-23 07:56:56 * Diablo-D3 looks at his code
 370 2010-11-23 07:56:59 * Diablo-D3 panics
 371 2010-11-23 07:57:46 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: we seem to have a problem
 372 2010-11-23 07:57:56 <Diablo-D3> I may or may not have figured out how to get a larger speed boost
 373 2010-11-23 07:58:20 <Diablo-D3> its going about 77.4 now.
 374 2010-11-23 07:58:50 <ArtForz> hmm?
 375 2010-11-23 07:59:15 <Diablo-D3> and I might be able to get it going faster with a little bit of tweaking
 376 2010-11-23 07:59:42 <Diablo-D3> but its currently reading 77495 khash/sec
 377 2010-11-23 07:59:55 <Diablo-D3> aaand it just ticked over to 77.5
 378 2010-11-23 08:00:03 <ArtForz> well, theoretical max is 78.66 for a 4850
 379 2010-11-23 08:00:24 <Diablo-D3> yes but
 380 2010-11-23 08:00:29 <Diablo-D3> wtf.
 381 2010-11-23 08:00:55 <OneFixt> ;;bc,estimate
 382 2010-11-23 08:00:56 <gribble> 6879.43216915
 383 2010-11-23 08:05:42 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: I need to quit touching it before I end the world
 384 2010-11-23 08:09:19 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: this also means I beat you.
 385 2010-11-23 08:19:59 * Diablo-D3 listens to ride of the valkyries 
 386 2010-11-23 08:23:49 <ArtForz> neat, if true
 387 2010-11-23 08:24:41 sgornick has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
 388 2010-11-23 08:26:07 <Diablo-D3> Im trying to figure out if it is true
 389 2010-11-23 08:28:27 dgnox has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 390 2010-11-23 08:36:37 * LobsterMan slaps Diablo-D3 around with a heavy metal pole
 391 2010-11-23 08:47:15 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: I might be wrong
 392 2010-11-23 08:55:21 edcba_ is now known as edcba
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 397 2010-11-23 10:22:51 <Diablo-D3> okay I know I have fucked up somewhere
 398 2010-11-23 10:22:59 <Diablo-D3> I'm getting around 78.6
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 401 2010-11-23 10:27:03 <Diablo-D3> okay the hash meter is calming down
 402 2010-11-23 10:27:21 <Diablo-D3> its bouncing between 77.9 and 78.0
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 404 2010-11-23 10:31:15 <Diablo-D3> it seems to have settled out at 77.9
 405 2010-11-23 10:37:50 <Diablo-D3> where is xelister
 406 2010-11-23 10:38:08 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: this is absurd
 407 2010-11-23 10:38:19 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: I am currently cranking away at 77.9 mhash
 408 2010-11-23 10:38:48 <Diablo-D3> this should not be possible
 409 2010-11-23 10:38:57 <MatthiasVance> Why not?
 410 2010-11-23 10:39:03 <MatthiasVance> I was doing it at ~88 Mhash/s
 411 2010-11-23 10:41:10 <Diablo-D3> MatthiasVance: because the hardware only goes 78.6
 412 2010-11-23 10:41:52 <MatthiasVance> hm
 413 2010-11-23 10:52:28 * Diablo-D3 does safety engineering
 414 2010-11-23 10:52:35 <Diablo-D3> lets find out if the fucker works
 415 2010-11-23 10:53:49 <Diablo-D3> also
 416 2010-11-23 10:53:52 <Diablo-D3> if it does
 417 2010-11-23 10:54:04 <Diablo-D3> I am doing within 1% of the fucking theoretical maximum of the fucking device
 418 2010-11-23 10:55:28 <Diablo-D3> assuming Im getting 77.95, and the max is 78.66
 419 2010-11-23 10:55:34 <Diablo-D3> thats 99.09% efficiency
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 421 2010-11-23 11:18:24 <ArtForz> I suspect I know the reason
 422 2010-11-23 11:18:50 <ArtForz> try timing on a 2nd box
 423 2010-11-23 11:24:44 remmy_ has joined
 424 2010-11-23 11:27:28 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: but I dont have a second box
 425 2010-11-23 11:28:13 <ArtForz> hurrrm
 426 2010-11-23 11:30:26 <ArtForz> I only mention because really pushing the cards seems to make my boxes lose timer ticks
 427 2010-11-23 11:31:00 <Diablo-D3> well Im doing it the sane way
 428 2010-11-23 11:31:05 <Diablo-D3> counting Hs
 429 2010-11-23 11:31:14 <Diablo-D3> we're now up to 33
 430 2010-11-23 11:31:37 <ArtForz> yeah, but if you count Hs/time and your *time* is off ...
 431 2010-11-23 11:31:52 <MatthiasVance> +1
 432 2010-11-23 11:32:03 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: you mean my actual wallclock?
 433 2010-11-23 11:32:07 <ArtForz> yep
 434 2010-11-23 11:32:24 <Diablo-D3> that never changes for me.
 435 2010-11-23 11:32:50 <ArtForz> my quad 5970 miner seems to run slow about 25 min a day
 436 2010-11-23 11:32:50 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: is that why you wanted a second box?
 437 2010-11-23 11:32:55 <Diablo-D3> my laptop is fine
 438 2010-11-23 11:33:03 <Diablo-D3> its ticking seconds in unison with my desktop
 439 2010-11-23 11:33:22 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: btw, why arent you running ntpd?
 440 2010-11-23 11:33:29 <ArtForz> on my miners?
 441 2010-11-23 11:33:34 <Diablo-D3> on every box ever.
 442 2010-11-23 11:33:43 <ArtForz> my normal boxes all run ntpd
 443 2010-11-23 11:33:58 <Diablo-D3> ntpd would correct your time on your miner boxes too
 444 2010-11-23 11:34:08 <ArtForz> yeah, and consume system resources
 445 2010-11-23 11:34:22 <ArtForz> my miners are supposed to mine, not keep time
 446 2010-11-23 11:34:22 <Diablo-D3> its not like you're using your cpus.
 447 2010-11-23 11:34:57 <ArtForz> true
 448 2010-11-23 11:35:22 <ArtForz> I just dont like having superflous daemons running on my miners
 449 2010-11-23 11:35:50 <Diablo-D3> its ntpd, people use it on computers that control LIFE OR DEATH THINGS
 450 2010-11-23 11:36:06 <ArtForz> dude, I run my own fucking stratum1
 451 2010-11-23 11:36:21 <Diablo-D3> can I kick you really hard now? plz?
 452 2010-11-23 11:37:15 <Diablo-D3> we're now up to 43
 453 2010-11-23 11:37:21 <Diablo-D3> and 14 testnet blocks solved
 454 2010-11-23 11:37:40 <ArtForz> and of course getting Hs is random
 455 2010-11-23 11:37:57 <Diablo-D3> yes, but there would be a problem if I get none
 456 2010-11-23 11:38:00 <Diablo-D3> or very little
 457 2010-11-23 11:40:06 <ArtForz> here's the count of Hs for 4 5970s running for 168400s: 13405, 13504, 13344, 13807, 13390, 13247, 13460, 13322
 458 2010-11-23 11:40:22 <ArtForz> I *should* be seeing 13409
 459 2010-11-23 11:40:22 <Diablo-D3> thats pretty close
 460 2010-11-23 11:40:56 <ArtForz> except for one that's nearly 3% "too fast"
 461 2010-11-23 11:41:17 <Diablo-D3> there is, what, a 4% difference?
 462 2010-11-23 11:41:22 <ArtForz> yeah
 463 2010-11-23 11:41:47 <Diablo-D3> for 46 ... hours?
 464 2010-11-23 11:41:59 <ArtForz> yep
 465 2010-11-23 11:42:09 <Diablo-D3> maybe that 4% is rather large >_>
 466 2010-11-23 11:42:21 <ArtForz> nope, all those cards are fine
 467 2010-11-23 11:42:32 <ArtForz> they also report hashes done
 468 2010-11-23 11:42:41 <Diablo-D3> I meant statistics wise
 469 2010-11-23 11:42:58 <ArtForz> well, it's again a poisson distribution
 470 2010-11-23 11:43:38 <ArtForz> imo the best way to determine true speed is reporting # of attempts to a 2nd box running ntpd
 471 2010-11-23 11:44:08 <Diablo-D3> thats not really an issue though
 472 2010-11-23 11:44:12 <Diablo-D3> if the clock isnt shifting
 473 2010-11-23 11:44:15 <ArtForz> yea
 474 2010-11-23 11:44:32 <Diablo-D3> 48
 475 2010-11-23 11:45:11 <Diablo-D3> I need to quit working on this miner though
 476 2010-11-23 11:45:15 <Diablo-D3> its absurd
 477 2010-11-23 11:45:32 <ArtForz> imo optimizing for 4xxx is absurd
 478 2010-11-23 11:45:43 <Diablo-D3> Im not optimizing for 4xxx
 479 2010-11-23 11:45:52 <Diablo-D3> these things should work on ANY card
 480 2010-11-23 11:46:02 <Diablo-D3> 50 done
 481 2010-11-23 11:46:11 <Diablo-D3> reads 77920 khash
 482 2010-11-23 11:46:20 <Diablo-D3> Started at Nov 23, 2010 5:44:38 AM
 483 2010-11-23 11:46:26 <Diablo-D3> Attempt 51 found on ATI RV770 at 6:38:13 AM
 484 2010-11-23 11:46:40 <Diablo-D3> thats 54 minutes
 485 2010-11-23 11:46:48 <Diablo-D3> erp
 486 2010-11-23 11:46:55 <Diablo-D3> Attempt 50 found on ATI RV770 at 6:37:34 AM
 487 2010-11-23 11:47:06 <Diablo-D3> thats 53 minutes
 488 2010-11-23 11:47:22 <Diablo-D3> so I seem to be in the right ballpark
 489 2010-11-23 11:48:24 <ArtForz> that sounds a bit too high
 490 2010-11-23 11:48:35 <Diablo-D3> its random.
 491 2010-11-23 11:48:46 <Diablo-D3> I seem to have a more important problem
 492 2010-11-23 11:48:55 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin isnt listing any of the testnet blocks found
 493 2010-11-23 11:49:01 <ArtForz> no, 77920khps
 494 2010-11-23 11:49:27 <ArtForz> thats like 99.1% of theoretical peak perf
 495 2010-11-23 11:49:33 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: thats what I said earlier
 496 2010-11-23 11:49:41 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt make any sense
 497 2010-11-23 11:49:43 <ArtForz> and that peak perf is not coutning scheduling overhead, data transfer, ...
 498 2010-11-23 11:50:37 <ArtForz> oh, and opencl is unable to run data transfer and kernels in parallel
 499 2010-11-23 11:50:56 <Diablo-D3> I don't.
 500 2010-11-23 11:51:11 <ArtForz> you don't what?
 501 2010-11-23 11:51:16 <Diablo-D3> I dont run them in parallel
 502 2010-11-23 11:51:23 <ArtForz> transfer data? run kernels?
 503 2010-11-23 11:51:27 <Diablo-D3> yes.
 504 2010-11-23 11:51:45 <Diablo-D3> and its not a limitation of opencl
 505 2010-11-23 11:51:59 <ArtForz> it's a limitation of ATIs drivers/sdk
 506 2010-11-23 11:52:09 <Diablo-D3> its a limitation of the hardware I suspect
 507 2010-11-23 11:52:12 <ArtForz> nope
 508 2010-11-23 11:52:15 <Diablo-D3> you can ask for a queue that runs stuff out of order
 509 2010-11-23 11:52:15 <xelister> that slindes for 6xxx said it will be possible there
 510 2010-11-23 11:52:16 <ArtForz> it works in CAL
 511 2010-11-23 11:52:24 <ArtForz> it already works in CAL
 512 2010-11-23 11:52:27 <Diablo-D3> heh
 513 2010-11-23 11:52:37 <Diablo-D3> I ask for a queue that runs stuff in order
 514 2010-11-23 11:52:38 <Diablo-D3> so feh
 515 2010-11-23 11:52:54 <ArtForz> 4xxx and 5xxx can do shaders + one DMA in parallel
 516 2010-11-23 11:53:05 <ArtForz> 6xxx can do shaders + 2 DMAs
 517 2010-11-23 11:53:27 <ArtForz> ATIs opencl SDK isn't using DMA memoryx transfers. at all.
 518 2010-11-23 11:53:31 * Diablo-D3 runs his fresh git client
 519 2010-11-23 11:54:15 <xelister> Diablo-D3: whats the improvements?  what should now users of 5xxx do, still patch the CL ?  btw, 5xxx is the biggest user group of modern radeons
 520 2010-11-23 11:54:25 <Diablo-D3> xelister: er?
 521 2010-11-23 11:54:29 <xelister> are there any radeons other then 5xxx worth considering for mining (>30 M) ?
 522 2010-11-23 11:54:30 <Diablo-D3> xelister: I already told you I added that flag
 523 2010-11-23 11:56:11 <ArtForz> bbl
 524 2010-11-23 11:56:12 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: HEAD gives me about 74.5
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 526 2010-11-23 11:56:21 <Diablo-D3> meh
 527 2010-11-23 11:56:27 <Diablo-D3> xelister: remember I added -a?
 528 2010-11-23 11:56:34 <MatthiasVance> xelister : I get ~88 Mhash/s on my 4890
 529 2010-11-23 11:56:45 <Diablo-D3> MatthiasVance: that seems low
 530 2010-11-23 11:56:50 <MatthiasVance> he asked for 30 M
 531 2010-11-23 11:56:51 <MatthiasVance> >
 532 2010-11-23 11:57:04 <Diablo-D3> art got like 90 on his 4870
 533 2010-11-23 11:57:10 <MatthiasVance> hm
 534 2010-11-23 11:59:29 <Diablo-D3> and my 4850 gets >74
 535 2010-11-23 11:59:59 <Diablo-D3> MatthiasVance: what are you running the miner with?
 536 2010-11-23 12:00:28 <MatthiasVance> What do you mean, run it WITH
 537 2010-11-23 12:00:37 <MatthiasVance> I use the pyOpenCL one
 538 2010-11-23 12:00:43 <Diablo-D3> what args
 539 2010-11-23 12:00:47 <MatthiasVance> None
 540 2010-11-23 12:00:56 <Diablo-D3> try with -w 64
 541 2010-11-23 12:01:03 <MatthiasVance> I did, it will go slower.
 542 2010-11-23 12:01:09 <Diablo-D3> it shouldnt
 543 2010-11-23 12:01:10 <xelister> MatthiasVance: thanks
 544 2010-11-23 12:01:22 <xelister> Diablo-D3: ah indeed, -a. It still does not auto detect does it
 545 2010-11-23 12:01:35 <Diablo-D3> xelister: no point to autodetect: this is useless for 2.2
 546 2010-11-23 12:01:48 <xelister> Diablo-D3: point being that some users may be on 2.1
 547 2010-11-23 12:01:48 <Diablo-D3> MatthiasVance: -w 64 is most optimum for 48xx
 548 2010-11-23 12:01:59 <Diablo-D3> xelister: the users intelligent enough to use 2.1 CAN READ THE FUCKING MANUAL
 549 2010-11-23 12:02:08 <xelister> and if it does not harm then why not
 550 2010-11-23 12:02:15 <Diablo-D3> because it may harm them
 551 2010-11-23 12:02:30 <xelister> Diablo-D3: user doesn't give a flying shit about opencl, he wants to "get his money" and "transfer for free instantly over internet"
 552 2010-11-23 12:02:56 <xelister> how it can harm?  autodetect only if you are sure,  so when this is a known 5xxx card
 553 2010-11-23 12:03:13 <xelister> and only if you are on 2.1 if you want that too
 554 2010-11-23 12:03:44 <Diablo-D3> xelister: erm
 555 2010-11-23 12:03:49 <Diablo-D3> the average user doesnt mine
 556 2010-11-23 12:03:56 <Diablo-D3> your argument is invalid
 557 2010-11-23 12:04:22 <MatthiasVance> What would be the ratio of average users / miners
 558 2010-11-23 12:04:22 <MatthiasVance> xD
 559 2010-11-23 12:04:26 <xelister> yeah well more advanced user. still people do not like to read manual. And you know what? can't blaim them
 560 2010-11-23 12:04:43 <MatthiasVance> If they don't like to read the manual they miss out.
 561 2010-11-23 12:04:46 <MatthiasVance> It's dead simple.
 562 2010-11-23 12:04:50 <xelister> if you bough coffee express, you want it to make coffeey, or you want it to not work at all even not giving stupid coffeeyy
 563 2010-11-23 12:04:54 <MatthiasVance> On the other hand they will be posting more on the forums. xD
 564 2010-11-23 12:05:06 <xelister> untill you read 3 manuals on water pressure, grains types and grinners
 565 2010-11-23 12:05:12 <Diablo-D3> xelister: advanced users who dont rtfm are not advanced users.
 566 2010-11-23 12:05:14 <xelister> and google 5 forums to find out
 567 2010-11-23 12:05:20 <MatthiasVance> xelister : xD
 568 2010-11-23 12:05:22 <MatthiasVance> Funny.
 569 2010-11-23 12:05:39 <xelister> you need to manually move part No.123 from the back of express into the coffeey filter header - that was not documented anywhere
 570 2010-11-23 12:07:15 <xelister> in normal life, even people knowing a bit more about coffeey, would be bothered as shit if the 600 USD machine couldn not even poor them hot water hotter then 40 C, untill they manually fiddle with it, move some knobs inside and play with screwdriver to change setting to max temp 100C
 571 2010-11-23 12:07:29 <Diablo-D3> xelister: erm
 572 2010-11-23 12:07:32 <xelister> and I agree with such attitude
 573 2010-11-23 12:07:33 <Diablo-D3> except it IS documented
 574 2010-11-23 12:07:41 <Diablo-D3> all the arguments are documented in full
 575 2010-11-23 12:07:52 <xelister> yeah the knobs are also documented in full
 576 2010-11-23 12:08:31 <Diablo-D3> also
 577 2010-11-23 12:08:41 <xelister> still all users would expect it to just work automatically. unless they do strange shit, like connect to EU power supply that PERHAPS would require to change 110/220 setting on the back of power cord, that one makes some sense
 578 2010-11-23 12:08:46 <Diablo-D3> if they're paying $600 for a coffee machine
 579 2010-11-23 12:08:49 <Diablo-D3> and NOT read the manual
 580 2010-11-23 12:08:55 <Diablo-D3> they will probably end up in the ER.
 581 2010-11-23 12:09:01 <xelister> that is honestly what basically all users do
 582 2010-11-23 12:09:08 <xelister> you included
 583 2010-11-23 12:09:15 <Diablo-D3> me?
 584 2010-11-23 12:09:17 <Diablo-D3> bwahahaha
 585 2010-11-23 12:09:27 <Diablo-D3> I read manual from cover to cover before I even plug the device in
 586 2010-11-23 12:09:31 <xelister> there is no person that fully reads all manual to everything they use
 587 2010-11-23 12:09:36 * Diablo-D3 does.
 588 2010-11-23 12:09:49 <xelister> doubt it
 589 2010-11-23 12:10:13 <xelister> even if true, then 99.99% people would consider such waste of time a bad idea and do otherwise, to have time for like, life, sex, work, etc
 590 2010-11-23 12:10:14 <Diablo-D3> When you pay $600 for a coffee machine, you read the manual.
 591 2010-11-23 12:10:39 <xelister> I read part of it, usually there is separate install-quick-quide page or folder
 592 2010-11-23 12:10:49 <Diablo-D3> Especially if you don't, you will most likely have third degree burns and permanent scarring.
 593 2010-11-23 12:10:56 <Diablo-D3> Ever see a $600 coffee machine?
 594 2010-11-23 12:11:03 <xelister> yes
 595 2010-11-23 12:11:06 <Diablo-D3> They don't make coffee.
 596 2010-11-23 12:11:11 <Diablo-D3> They make fancy things like espressos.
 597 2010-11-23 12:11:14 <xelister> didnt used it though, not mine
 598 2010-11-23 12:11:16 <xelister> yea
 599 2010-11-23 12:11:23 <Diablo-D3> Ever see how an espresso machine works?
 600 2010-11-23 12:11:33 <Diablo-D3> They force high pressure boiling hot water through a puck.
 601 2010-11-23 12:11:47 <Diablo-D3> If you do not do it exactly as it is meant to do, you will not make the mistake twice.
 602 2010-11-23 12:12:20 <xelister> that reminds me how people are payed thousands of dolars for not being warned on the cup that the coffeey from mac is hot
 603 2010-11-23 12:12:25 <xelister> that one is ridiculous example
 604 2010-11-23 12:12:31 <Diablo-D3> that was the courts fucking up
 605 2010-11-23 12:12:35 <xelister> but user should expect things to not blow up overall
 606 2010-11-23 12:12:35 <Diablo-D3> nothing more, nothing less.
 607 2010-11-23 12:12:56 <Diablo-D3> xelister: hell
 608 2010-11-23 12:13:03 <Diablo-D3> I have a $1200 monitor infront of me
 609 2010-11-23 12:13:26 <Diablo-D3> it has a "secret" hidden menu
 610 2010-11-23 12:13:32 <Diablo-D3> it is documented in the manual.
 611 2010-11-23 12:13:45 <xelister> you know what? if I have money to buy say 20 gadgets a week, I would prefer a world where I dont have to read 20 fucking manuals each week to use them more or less properly. And 99% of stuff follows this rule
 612 2010-11-23 12:13:59 <Diablo-D3> but why would you buy 20 gadgets a week?
 613 2010-11-23 12:14:02 <Diablo-D3> why would you buy ANY?
 614 2010-11-23 12:14:16 <xelister> for fun
 615 2010-11-23 12:14:21 <Diablo-D3> how is that fun?
 616 2010-11-23 12:14:26 <Diablo-D3> spending money is not fun at all.
 617 2010-11-23 12:14:43 <xelister> Diablo-D3: fell free to transfer all gathered coins to me :)
 618 2010-11-23 12:15:15 <Diablo-D3> like, all these faggots who keep buying new game consoles
 619 2010-11-23 12:15:16 <Diablo-D3> why?
 620 2010-11-23 12:15:28 <Diablo-D3> they break frequently, and the games arent any fun
 621 2010-11-23 12:15:29 <xelister> you dont want to spend them anyways
 622 2010-11-23 12:15:42 <Diablo-D3> or people who own cell phones
 623 2010-11-23 12:15:43 <Diablo-D3> why?
 624 2010-11-23 12:15:59 <Diablo-D3> or people who own ipads
 625 2010-11-23 12:16:03 <Diablo-D3> or netbooks
 626 2010-11-23 12:16:11 <xelister> gaypads
 627 2010-11-23 12:16:13 <Diablo-D3> all this silly keeping up with the jones shit is dumb
 628 2010-11-23 12:21:13 <xelister> Diablo-D3:  <xelister> there is no person that fully reads all manual to everything they use      * Diablo-D3 does
 629 2010-11-23 12:21:40 <xelister> Diablo-D3: do you use: metro, trains, airplanes, elevators, automatic doors
 630 2010-11-23 12:22:12 <xelister> while you could say "its not <<mine>>" you can still find needed manuals online or somewhere
 631 2010-11-23 12:22:30 <xelister> :]
 632 2010-11-23 12:23:39 <Diablo-D3> no, no, no, no, and no.
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 634 2010-11-23 12:24:29 <xelister> so then you do not read mans to all you use
 635 2010-11-23 12:24:40 <xelister> even when you could find said manuals
 636 2010-11-23 12:24:41 <Diablo-D3> you asked if I used them
 637 2010-11-23 12:24:42 <Diablo-D3> I dont.
 638 2010-11-23 12:24:52 <xelister> you dont use any of this devices?
 639 2010-11-23 12:24:57 <Diablo-D3> nope.
 640 2010-11-23 12:25:12 <xelister> so how are you going to meet someone at 30th floor, or, at all get into the building
 641 2010-11-23 12:25:17 <xelister> are you now trolling us ;)
 642 2010-11-23 12:25:24 <Diablo-D3> we dont have buildings with 30 floors around here
 643 2010-11-23 12:25:33 <xelister> biggest anti-tech amish person, and runs/write a miner?
 644 2010-11-23 12:26:23 <xelister> Diablo-D3: you did not used, in adult life, an elevator or automatically open doors ever?
 645 2010-11-23 12:26:52 <Diablo-D3> I think Ive been on an elevator twice
 646 2010-11-23 12:26:56 <Diablo-D3> dont particularly care for them
 647 2010-11-23 12:27:07 <xelister> oh noes, and you didnt read manual?
 648 2010-11-23 12:27:29 <Diablo-D3> wasnt the one operating it.
 649 2010-11-23 12:27:54 <UukGoblin> yo
 650 2010-11-23 12:27:54 * xelister makes the elevator burst in flames giving Diablo-D3 3rd degree burns. What, you should read the manual and know to press keys 4-6-8 at every odd hour on wallclock in elevator or it bursts in flames! your foult!
 651 2010-11-23 12:27:56 <UukGoblin> topic is outdated
 652 2010-11-23 12:28:03 <UukGoblin> we have 0.3.15 it seems
 653 2010-11-23 12:28:21 <xelister> Diablo-D3: you are operating it, by pressing this buttons numbered like 1,2,3,4,5...
 654 2010-11-23 12:28:49 <Diablo-D3> xelister: nope, first time when I was younger and had neumonia and I was being wheeled around in a wheel chair
 655 2010-11-23 12:29:16 <xelister> wtf where do you live, in amishvile? never visiting bigger city? :)
 656 2010-11-23 12:29:16 <Diablo-D3> second time I was moving computer equipment between floors at my high school
 657 2010-11-23 12:30:16 <Diablo-D3> no, I do not live in PA.
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 659 2010-11-23 12:31:40 <xelister> hi UukGoblin
 660 2010-11-23 12:41:00 <UukGoblin> hi
 661 2010-11-23 12:46:57 <UukGoblin> hrm, is it possible to exchange pecunix for actual gold?
 662 2010-11-23 12:48:55 <Diablo-D3> I dont think so
 663 2010-11-23 12:48:58 <Diablo-D3> not without actually buying it
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 665 2010-11-23 12:59:05 <Diablo-D3> xelister: you here?
 666 2010-11-23 13:01:43 <Diablo-D3> xelister: try http://adterrasperaspera.com/images/DiabloMiner-test.zip
 667 2010-11-23 13:04:46 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, it's even hard to find a retailer... they all claim to buy/sell gold, but in fact they just buy/sell pecunix or other e-gold
 668 2010-11-23 13:04:59 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: what, to buy physical gold?
 669 2010-11-23 13:05:04 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, yeah
 670 2010-11-23 13:05:13 <Diablo-D3> you're looking in the wrong places then
 671 2010-11-23 13:05:37 <UukGoblin> I put 'buy gold with pecunix' in google
 672 2010-11-23 13:05:47 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: thats where you went wrong
 673 2010-11-23 13:05:53 <Diablo-D3> liquidate your pecunix into dollars
 674 2010-11-23 13:06:21 <UukGoblin> I don't want dollars but gold
 675 2010-11-23 13:06:36 <Diablo-D3> you need the dollars to BUY the gold
 676 2010-11-23 13:07:00 <UukGoblin> I already have dollars, so what's the point of having pecunix
 677 2010-11-23 13:07:14 <Diablo-D3> whats the point of bitcoin then
 678 2010-11-23 13:07:16 <Diablo-D3> its the same argument
 679 2010-11-23 13:07:27 <Diablo-D3> anyhow, if you want to buy actual physical gold, go do business with apmex
 680 2010-11-23 13:07:50 <Diablo-D3> they have a good selection of us eagles and krugerrands
 681 2010-11-23 13:08:35 <UukGoblin> I'm in UK
 682 2010-11-23 13:08:41 <Diablo-D3> heh
 683 2010-11-23 13:08:48 <Diablo-D3> cant the UK just come in and steal your gold?
 684 2010-11-23 13:08:54 <Diablo-D3> silly third world country
 685 2010-11-23 13:09:17 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: you probably have local dealers
 686 2010-11-23 13:10:07 <Diablo-D3> everywhere has hole in the wall places that deal in gold and silver under the guise of numismatics
 687 2010-11-23 13:10:54 <UukGoblin> anyway, I don't see the point of pecunix "backing" - you can't redeem the pecunix for gold, so what's the point of them storing gold in Switzerland at all
 688 2010-11-23 13:11:07 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: so it can't be stolen, really
 689 2010-11-23 13:11:22 <UukGoblin> uhm
 690 2010-11-23 13:11:22 <Diablo-D3> no world government can attack it without a large orchestrated effort.
 691 2010-11-23 13:11:50 <UukGoblin> 1. it can be stolen from the vault by an experienced thief, 2. it can be stolen from your account by an experienced hacker
 692 2010-11-23 13:12:29 <UukGoblin> it can /always/ be stolen
 693 2010-11-23 13:12:42 <Diablo-D3> 2 isnt the issue
 694 2010-11-23 13:12:48 <UukGoblin> I thought the idea of 'backing' a currency with gold was that the currency was /exchangable/ (redeemable) for gold
 695 2010-11-23 13:12:50 <Diablo-D3> and 1, prrroabbly not
 696 2010-11-23 13:13:11 <Diablo-D3> you dont actually know where the vault is
 697 2010-11-23 13:13:17 <Diablo-D3> it may not be in switzerland at all
 698 2010-11-23 13:13:27 <Diablo-D3> or the one in switzerland can just be can expensive fake.
 699 2010-11-23 13:13:41 <UukGoblin> from wikipedia "Pecunix gold bullion is stored with Mat Securitas Express AG in Zurich, Switzerland."
 700 2010-11-23 13:14:06 <Diablo-D3> like I said, supposedly.
 701 2010-11-23 13:14:06 <UukGoblin> but it doesn't even matter whether the actual gold can be stolen or not
 702 2010-11-23 13:14:15 <UukGoblin> it's just inaccessible, it could as well not be there at all
 703 2010-11-23 13:14:26 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: and it'd have too much overhead to actually do what you want anyhow
 704 2010-11-23 13:14:30 <Diablo-D3> I mean
 705 2010-11-23 13:14:36 <Diablo-D3> I imagine if you went to switzerland
 706 2010-11-23 13:14:42 <Diablo-D3> and picked up the gold yourself
 707 2010-11-23 13:14:46 <Diablo-D3> they could do it
 708 2010-11-23 13:14:53 <Diablo-D3> but they're sure as hell not shipping it to you
 709 2010-11-23 13:15:04 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: your question is similar to "why own GLD"
 710 2010-11-23 13:15:13 <UukGoblin> they /could/, but they won't
 711 2010-11-23 13:15:14 <Diablo-D3> GLD is an ETF on the stock market that is backed by gold.
 712 2010-11-23 13:15:20 <Diablo-D3> why own it at all
 713 2010-11-23 13:15:24 <UukGoblin> it's actually not a big deal for me to go to switzerland
 714 2010-11-23 13:15:26 <Diablo-D3> you cant exchange it with real gold
 715 2010-11-23 13:15:45 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: you use pecunix, right?
 716 2010-11-23 13:16:12 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, no, I was considering for a minute
 717 2010-11-23 13:16:15 <Diablo-D3> ahh
 718 2010-11-23 13:16:20 <Diablo-D3> I wonder what the accounts are denominated in
 719 2010-11-23 13:16:25 <UukGoblin> GAU
 720 2010-11-23 13:16:29 <Diablo-D3> gau?
 721 2010-11-23 13:16:30 <UukGoblin> which is a gold gram
 722 2010-11-23 13:16:34 <Diablo-D3> ahh
 723 2010-11-23 13:16:37 <Diablo-D3> that makes far more sense than
 724 2010-11-23 13:16:48 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: its EXACTLY like owning GLD.
 725 2010-11-23 13:16:56 <Diablo-D3> the value of GLD goes up and, theoretically, down
 726 2010-11-23 13:17:12 <Diablo-D3> I put $100 into GLD today, I get more than $100 out sometime in the future
 727 2010-11-23 13:17:29 <Diablo-D3> it maintains the actual value of what I put into it
 728 2010-11-23 13:17:30 <UukGoblin> my way of thinking?
 729 2010-11-23 13:17:42 <Diablo-D3> ie, the value of gold doesnt change.... the value of the dollar does.
 730 2010-11-23 13:17:46 <UukGoblin> I put $100 into GLD today, nuclear war breaks out tomorrow, I get fuckall in 2 days.
 731 2010-11-23 13:17:53 <Diablo-D3> well yes
 732 2010-11-23 13:17:59 <Diablo-D3> thats why you want REAL gold on hand
 733 2010-11-23 13:18:04 <Diablo-D3> gld nor pecunix offer you that
 734 2010-11-23 13:18:07 <Diablo-D3> they're not meant to
 735 2010-11-23 13:18:09 <UukGoblin> exactly
 736 2010-11-23 13:18:14 <Diablo-D3> then again
 737 2010-11-23 13:18:19 <Diablo-D3> if nuclear war breaks out tommorow
 738 2010-11-23 13:18:24 <Diablo-D3> you're either dead or will soon be dead
 739 2010-11-23 13:18:55 <Diablo-D3> remember, the US produces much of the world's food
 740 2010-11-23 13:18:57 <UukGoblin> I'll soon be dead anyway (what is several decades in the scale of the earth)
 741 2010-11-23 13:19:09 <Diablo-D3> if we're eradicated, the entire world starves to death
 742 2010-11-23 13:19:09 <UukGoblin> US? food? nonsense ;-]
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 744 2010-11-23 13:36:40 <xelister> US in fact flood world with genetic modified high glucose corn
 745 2010-11-23 13:37:07 <xelister> but I think we would not starve, it would just stimulate re-growth of farms in eu and so on
 746 2010-11-23 13:46:23 <Diablo-D3> xelister: do your job
 747 2010-11-23 13:46:29 <Diablo-D3> [07:53:50] <Diablo-D3> xelister: try http://adterrasperaspera.com/images/DiabloMiner-test.zip
 748 2010-11-23 13:46:53 <xelister> hm?
 749 2010-11-23 13:46:57 <xelister> I can git pull or something
 750 2010-11-23 13:47:29 <Diablo-D3> no
 751 2010-11-23 13:47:42 <Diablo-D3> custom build with extra awesome
 752 2010-11-23 13:47:47 <xelister> uhm
 753 2010-11-23 13:47:51 <xelister> thoes are sources?
 754 2010-11-23 13:47:56 <Diablo-D3> no
 755 2010-11-23 13:47:57 <Diablo-D3> binary
 756 2010-11-23 13:47:57 <xelister> I dont run unknown binaries...
 757 2010-11-23 13:48:08 <xelister> do I look like a windows user ;)
 758 2010-11-23 13:48:16 <Diablo-D3> Im not adding this to git until I know it works on 5xxx as well as I hope it does
 759 2010-11-23 13:48:25 <Diablo-D3> giant radical new change
 760 2010-11-23 13:48:40 <xelister> it will display popup with goatse? ;)
 761 2010-11-23 13:48:40 <Diablo-D3> xelister: remember how art says my card should do 78.6?
 762 2010-11-23 13:48:48 <xelister> mhm
 763 2010-11-23 13:48:54 <Diablo-D3> I went from 74.5 to 77.9
 764 2010-11-23 13:50:10 <Diablo-D3> I am now very sure I can't get any speed out of it anymore
 765 2010-11-23 13:50:31 <Diablo-D3> that theoretical maximum doesn't include actually doing shit with it
 766 2010-11-23 13:50:47 <Diablo-D3> such as enqueue read/write
 767 2010-11-23 13:51:10 <Diablo-D3> xelister: so benchmark git head vs that
 768 2010-11-23 13:51:35 <Diablo-D3> hrm, I wonder if it'll be faster on geforces too
 769 2010-11-23 13:51:41 <UukGoblin> xelister, same as me ;-]
 770 2010-11-23 13:51:54 <Diablo-D3> xelister: do we know anyone on geforce?
 771 2010-11-23 13:51:59 <xelister> yes
 772 2010-11-23 13:52:24 <xelister> but it needs my work to get it to them
 773 2010-11-23 13:52:37 <xelister> turns out I have lots to do today
 774 2010-11-23 13:53:09 <xelister> Diablo-D3: if you can provide me with some sources that I can build, perhaps I can test in evening or tommorow; if not then most people here have 5xxx's too imho
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 776 2010-11-23 13:53:29 <xelister> or just send me (dcc?) current .java / .cl
 777 2010-11-23 14:00:15 <Diablo-D3> xelister: dude, just run the jar
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 779 2010-11-23 14:12:12 <xelister> that's against security policy, and I dont have dedicated radeon box yet
 780 2010-11-23 14:12:27 <xelister> not CUDA one
 781 2010-11-23 14:12:29 <xelister> *nor
 782 2010-11-23 14:13:45 <Diablo-D3> xelister: you're overly paranoid
 783 2010-11-23 14:13:50 <Diablo-D3> why would I send you a broken binary to begin with
 784 2010-11-23 14:14:13 <xelister> paranoid is requirment for any sysadmin :) you sounded like a person that should really know that
 785 2010-11-23 14:15:01 <xelister> what should be sha sum of this file you posted?  http://adterrasperaspera.com/images/DiabloMiner-test.zip
 786 2010-11-23 14:15:27 <xelister> bbl
 787 2010-11-23 14:15:38 <Diablo-D3> 4a857b01da6a1df68dcbb40ad96108080816eaab965cdc4d329819147dd90df1  DiabloMiner.zip
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 789 2010-11-23 14:16:02 <Diablo-D3> xelister: and no, being overly paranoid is nuts
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 797 2010-11-23 14:56:50 <Kiba> hello folks.
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 805 2010-11-23 15:11:15 <anarchy> anyone ever read 'the market for liberty' by morris and linda tannehill
 806 2010-11-23 15:11:28 <anarchy> hey kiba
 807 2010-11-23 15:11:28 <Kiba> naw.
 808 2010-11-23 15:11:42 <anarchy> what a book :)
 809 2010-11-23 15:12:34 <anarchy> you can download it for free
 810 2010-11-23 15:12:52 <anarchy> not sure if i can paste links inhere, but you can easily google it
 811 2010-11-23 15:13:12 <anarchy> highly recommended
 812 2010-11-23 15:13:27 <UukGoblin> you can paste links in here if they fit in 1-2 lines (or use tinyurl or bit.ly or something if they're longer)
 813 2010-11-23 15:13:27 <Kiba> so many things to do, so little time.
 814 2010-11-23 15:17:31 <anarchy> http://libertyactivism.info/uploads/6/65/The_Market_for_Liberty_-_Morris_and_Linda_Tannehill.pdf
 815 2010-11-23 15:20:48 <nanotube> anarchy: brief synopsis of book, can you give? :)
 816 2010-11-23 15:24:07 <OneFixt> ;;bc,estimate
 817 2010-11-23 15:24:07 <gribble> 6889.25852312
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 821 2010-11-23 15:29:23 <Kiba> 10 BTC is added to my coffer
 822 2010-11-23 15:29:34 <Kiba> 10% rule means I can only keep 1 BTC.
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 829 2010-11-23 15:33:49 <anarchy> what was the last thing i said? i got disconnected
 830 2010-11-23 15:33:59 <Kiba> PDF link.
 831 2010-11-23 15:34:04 <anarchy> crap lol
 832 2010-11-23 15:34:09 <anarchy> i was on a serious rant here
 833 2010-11-23 15:34:28 <anarchy> it talks about how markets self regulate
 834 2010-11-23 15:34:37 <anarchy> then it points out why government is a coercive monopoly and can never be efficient
 835 2010-11-23 15:34:48 <anarchy> after that it becomes interesting showing how a laissez-fair society would work
 836 2010-11-23 15:34:57 <anarchy> and in the end it tells you how to get there
 837 2010-11-23 15:35:04 <anarchy> among things 'the economy should be provided with media of exchange to replace the dollar'
 838 2010-11-23 15:35:16 <anarchy> so definitely a good read, and its written for the masses
 839 2010-11-23 15:35:24 <anarchy> in other words, wont give you too much of a headache
 840 2010-11-23 15:35:34 <anarchy> not too much intellectual mumbo-jumbo
 841 2010-11-23 15:35:44 <anarchy> its the one book i read that finally put in writing exactly what i already knew
 842 2010-11-23 15:35:49 <anarchy> so it was enlightening
 843 2010-11-23 15:35:55 <anarchy> best book ever :)
 844 2010-11-23 15:36:02 <anarchy> the amazing thing is that it was written in 1970 and the issues are ever so current today
 845 2010-11-23 15:36:13 <anarchy> like the state actively trying to undermine free-market-ideals
 846 2010-11-23 15:36:53 <brocktice> anarchy, people got really into that in the 60s and 70s
 847 2010-11-23 15:37:06 <anarchy> yeah what happened?
 848 2010-11-23 15:37:06 <brocktice> Check out "How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World" by Harry Browne.
 849 2010-11-23 15:37:22 <anarchy> ok ill download it
 850 2010-11-23 15:37:24 <brocktice> I think most of them decided it was easier to live within the system and under the radar than to try to change it
 851 2010-11-23 15:37:43 <anarchy> the problem is that the under the radar will eventually no longer be possible
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 853 2010-11-23 15:37:58 <brocktice> sure it will, what do you think crypto-anarchy is all about?
 854 2010-11-23 15:38:02 <Kiba> What we need to do is
 855 2010-11-23 15:38:06 <Kiba> to BORE a hole
 856 2010-11-23 15:38:10 <Kiba> that they can't repair.
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 858 2010-11-23 15:38:28 <Kiba> than it doesn't matter if the majority of the population don't believe in liberty
 859 2010-11-23 15:38:56 * Kiba wonders if libertarianism is utopian
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 861 2010-11-23 15:39:18 <Kiba> certainly, we have an ideal
 862 2010-11-23 15:39:35 <Kiba> but it's not like we hate the way everything is now.
 863 2010-11-23 15:39:40 <gavinandresen> All the isms are utopian.
 864 2010-11-23 15:39:57 <brocktice> I used to be really hard core libertarian.
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 866 2010-11-23 15:40:25 <brocktice> Now I just want to keep the government from totally screwing up everything.
 867 2010-11-23 15:40:32 <Kiba> nanashi@satoko sound really suspicious
 868 2010-11-23 15:40:38 <Kiba> maybe it is Satoshi's real name
 869 2010-11-23 15:40:47 <Kiba> maybe, he's actually a girl?
 870 2010-11-23 15:40:50 <brocktice> where'd that come from?
 871 2010-11-23 15:40:59 <Kiba> bd__ timed out
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 874 2010-11-23 15:41:55 <Kiba> brocktice: well. I wish I know what will happens in the future.
 875 2010-11-23 15:42:00 <anarchy> so the guy is still a mystery huh? :) noone ever saw him in real life?
 876 2010-11-23 15:42:13 <Kiba> n0body know.
 877 2010-11-23 15:42:25 <anarchy> hes a genius
 878 2010-11-23 15:42:30 <gavinandresen> He or she or it or them are very good at not saying much.
 879 2010-11-23 15:42:40 <anarchy> very efficient
 880 2010-11-23 15:42:41 <nanotube> heh well, if i were him, i'd stay really well hidden.
 881 2010-11-23 15:42:55 <Kiba> let hope he does stay hidden. It's entertaining.
 882 2010-11-23 15:43:15 <Kiba> I'll get to do a series of sketches about The Mystery Of Satoshi Nakamoto.
 883 2010-11-23 15:43:20 <anarchy> yeah a real V
 884 2010-11-23 15:43:21 <anarchy> :)
 885 2010-11-23 15:43:33 <Kiba> V?
 886 2010-11-23 15:43:38 <gavinandresen> for Vendetta
 887 2010-11-23 15:43:53 <anarchy> indeed
 888 2010-11-23 15:44:17 <anarchy> if you havent seen that movie yet, its a must
 889 2010-11-23 15:44:21 <Kiba> there was a Japanese economist who studied the economic calculation debate.
 890 2010-11-23 15:44:39 <Kiba> he's shown in an Austrian family branch...
 891 2010-11-23 15:44:41 <Kiba> I think
 892 2010-11-23 15:44:51 <Kiba> something like that
 893 2010-11-23 15:46:39 <ne0futur> i confirm V for vandetta is really a great movie ! must see !
 894 2010-11-23 15:47:22 <anarchy> its in my top 3 together with the matrix :)
 895 2010-11-23 15:49:17 <Kiba> Katsuichi Yamamoto
 896 2010-11-23 15:50:29 <Kiba> Austrian school economist from Japan, I guess.
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 899 2010-11-23 15:56:14 <anarchy> i generated 50.01 BTC?
 900 2010-11-23 15:56:17 <anarchy> whats that
 901 2010-11-23 15:57:02 <anarchy> someone paid a transaction fee?
 902 2010-11-23 15:57:31 <Kiba> goodie, for you!
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 904 2010-11-23 15:59:08 <gavinandresen> The Bitcoin Faucet is running with -paytxfee=0.01 right now.
 905 2010-11-23 16:02:05 <anarchy> interesting
 906 2010-11-23 16:02:21 <anarchy> the difference is that it goes through instantly like that right?
 907 2010-11-23 16:02:26 <anarchy> instead of having no confirmation?
 908 2010-11-23 16:02:49 <anarchy> it confirms the transaction immediately?
 909 2010-11-23 16:03:30 <brocktice> I think it just gets higher priority for inclusion within blocks
 910 2010-11-23 16:04:46 <ne0futur> anarchy: same here ! blade runner being the 3rd in the top 3 ;)
 911 2010-11-23 16:05:17 <ne0futur> ( competing with the truman show for 3rd place )
 912 2010-11-23 16:06:53 <gavinandresen> brocktice:  exactly right, the tx fee moves its transactions up to the front of the "please include me in the block you're generating" queue.
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 916 2010-11-23 16:27:55 <Kiba> http://ub.yepcorp.com/file/download/4
 917 2010-11-23 16:28:00 <Kiba> My revised sketch!
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 919 2010-11-23 16:55:51 <Kiba> yo.
 920 2010-11-23 17:03:02 <AAA_awright> Kiba: Maybe it should automatically push the file when it gets it?
 921 2010-11-23 17:03:22 <Kiba> AAA_awright: ?
 922 2010-11-23 17:03:42 <AAA_awright> Having to manually refresh the page, come on, that's so 2006
 923 2010-11-23 17:04:21 <Kiba> it's still in early development and you're complaining?
 924 2010-11-23 17:04:37 <nanotube> it's never too early to complain!
 925 2010-11-23 17:05:14 <anarchy> ios 4.2.. lets see if i can leave my irc client running in background and rid myself of my computer :)
 926 2010-11-23 17:05:49 <Kiba> hmm. dirty glasses
 927 2010-11-23 17:07:18 <ne0futur> anarchy: better use a ssh/screen/irssi for 24/24 irc ;)
 928 2010-11-23 17:07:34 <anarchy> :)
 929 2010-11-23 17:07:44 <anarchy> guy who made irssi (geert) is a personal friend of mine
 930 2010-11-23 17:07:51 <anarchy> nice client
 931 2010-11-23 17:08:33 * ne0futur in love with screen/irssi for nearly 10 years
 932 2010-11-23 17:09:13 <Kiba> I used emacs as my IRC client
 933 2010-11-23 17:10:36 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: you here?
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 935 2010-11-23 17:12:16 <brocktice> Diablo-D3, for a moment, yes
 936 2010-11-23 17:12:18 <brocktice> what's up?
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 939 2010-11-23 17:16:10 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: you have those 4x 5970 right?
 940 2010-11-23 17:16:36 <brocktice> no
 941 2010-11-23 17:16:38 <brocktice> only 2
 942 2010-11-23 17:16:47 <Diablo-D3> er right
 943 2010-11-23 17:16:48 <brocktice> 4 cores, 2 cards
 944 2010-11-23 17:16:55 <Diablo-D3> thats what Imeant
 945 2010-11-23 17:17:07 <Diablo-D3> http://adterrasperaspera.com/images/DiabloMiner-test.zip
 946 2010-11-23 17:17:19 <Diablo-D3> it now contains 100% extra fuck you, AMD
 947 2010-11-23 17:18:40 <brocktice> That's a good thing I take it?
 948 2010-11-23 17:18:43 <Diablo-D3> Yes
 949 2010-11-23 17:18:56 <brocktice> mmkay I have to go to a meeting with a customer here in a minute
 950 2010-11-23 17:19:01 <Diablo-D3> that magical 78.6 art says is the theoretical maximum? I'm getting 77.9
 951 2010-11-23 17:19:01 <brocktice> but after I get back I'll check it out
 952 2010-11-23 17:19:05 <brocktice> nice
 953 2010-11-23 17:19:10 <Diablo-D3> but I have no clue how well it works on 5xxx
 954 2010-11-23 17:20:26 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: Im going to bed soon, so test it, and tell me how it turns out when I get uo
 955 2010-11-23 17:20:29 <Diablo-D3> *up
 956 2010-11-23 17:20:41 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: and Im already aware it screws over X interacitivity, I havent re-fixed that
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 959 2010-11-23 17:34:33 <xelister> Diablo-D3: "fuck you, AMD" ?
 960 2010-11-23 17:36:02 <Kiba> http://ub.yepcorp.com/file/download/4
 961 2010-11-23 17:36:07 <Kiba> so did anybody download my art yet?
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 972 2010-11-23 18:57:11 <anarchy-ipad> test
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 974 2010-11-23 18:58:09 <anarchy-ipad> crap keyboard blocks view wtf
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 977 2010-11-23 19:02:09 <Diablo-D3> xelister: yes\
 978 2010-11-23 19:03:00 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: oh, and I think I slightly fixed the X raping problem. kind of.
 979 2010-11-23 19:04:30 * Diablo-D3 uploaded another test version
 980 2010-11-23 19:04:48 <Diablo-D3> xelister: it'd be nice to know if this is faster on 5xxx though
 981 2010-11-23 19:04:52 <Diablo-D3> anyhow Im going to bed
 982 2010-11-23 19:04:53 <Diablo-D3> night all
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 984 2010-11-23 19:08:37 <altamic> night Diablo-D3
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 996 2010-11-23 19:48:04 <anarchy> ;;bc.stats
 997 2010-11-23 19:48:04 <gribble> Error: "bc.stats" is not a valid command.
 998 2010-11-23 19:48:11 <anarchy> ;;bc,stats
 999 2010-11-23 19:48:14 <gribble> Current Blocks: 93462 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94752 | Next Difficulty In: 1290 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 23 hours, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6866.55233042
1000 2010-11-23 19:48:41 <anarchy> par :)
1001 2010-11-23 19:52:07 <nanotube> wow yea
1002 2010-11-23 20:06:35 <pringles_> does it seem to you guys like 6866 is SO much harder than 4500 was
1003 2010-11-23 20:07:27 <Kiba> a certain twitter user is annoying me bad arguments
1004 2010-11-23 20:08:11 <nanotube> Kiba: you can just ignore him. i see his posts on #bc-news :)
1005 2010-11-23 20:08:22 <nanotube> you should be on #bc-news :)
1006 2010-11-23 20:09:27 <Kiba> nanotube: I don't like people spewing bullshits
1007 2010-11-23 20:09:34 <nanotube> pringles_: yes, about 1.5 times harder, in fact. :) but really, there was some tx spam going on for part of this batch, and some old-version generator code got dinged because it didn't efficiently deal with tx
1008 2010-11-23 20:09:54 <nanotube> pringles_: so if you're using a gpu gen, be sure to grab the latest code
1009 2010-11-23 20:10:03 <Kiba> especially bullshits that doesn't hellp bitcoin be more secure.
1010 2010-11-23 20:10:03 <ne0futur> Kiba: all the tweets concerning bitcoins are realtime on #bc-news
1011 2010-11-23 20:10:08 <ne0futur> and much more ;)
1012 2010-11-23 20:11:34 <Kiba> he await deflationary collapse
1013 2010-11-23 20:11:46 <nanotube> Kiba: well, let him wait
1014 2010-11-23 20:11:47 <Kiba> if deflation didn't kill us in the last 3 months
1015 2010-11-23 20:11:55 <Kiba> it won't kill us, ever.
1016 2010-11-23 20:12:07 <Kiba> well, to be more percise, growth deflation.
1017 2010-11-23 20:13:59 <pringles_> nanotube: i dunno...4500 was 1.5 times harder than the previous diff but i didn't see such a large drop in production when that difficulty hit like i do now. even after the tx spam
1018 2010-11-23 20:14:13 <ne0futur> there is much more volume to sell than to buy
1019 2010-11-23 20:14:38 <ne0futur> the btc value is not going down because the guys having bitcoins are reasonable
1020 2010-11-23 20:15:29 <ne0futur> imho only one guy having 30k bitcoins to sell could make the btc value go down fast
1021 2010-11-23 20:15:56 <Kiba> somebody did 200K bitcoins
1022 2010-11-23 20:16:01 <Kiba> drop the price real fast
1023 2010-11-23 20:16:10 <Kiba> but then it return to normal quick
1024 2010-11-23 20:17:00 <Kiba> but then, it was at a rather low price to begin with.
1025 2010-11-23 20:19:00 <Kiba> acrylicist is a crappy economist
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1027 2010-11-23 20:20:37 <mpkomara> first time here, i followed the link from Bruce Wagner's bitcoinme.com site.  so how does this work?
1028 2010-11-23 20:20:49 <nanotube> mpkomara: this meaning irc, or this meaning bitcoin? :)
1029 2010-11-23 20:20:53 <mpkomara> irc
1030 2010-11-23 20:21:12 <nanotube> well, it's working as we speak. you say stuff... everyone on channel sees
1031 2010-11-23 20:21:13 <Kiba> IRC is like instant messaging.
1032 2010-11-23 20:21:21 <nanotube> multiplayer instant messaging. :)
1033 2010-11-23 20:21:29 <mpkomara> is this a technical chat
1034 2010-11-23 20:21:39 <Kiba> Sometime.
1035 2010-11-23 20:21:42 <mpkomara> the feedback is amazing
1036 2010-11-23 20:21:50 <mpkomara> why bother in bitcoin.org
1037 2010-11-23 20:21:50 <Kiba> feedback?
1038 2010-11-23 20:22:12 <Kiba> the bitcoin forum is more perma
1039 2010-11-23 20:22:18 <Kiba> IRC is more like tempa
1040 2010-11-23 20:22:23 <mpkomara> who sees this
1041 2010-11-23 20:22:32 <Kiba> anybody who joined this channel
1042 2010-11-23 20:22:42 <mpkomara> will The Man see this?
1043 2010-11-23 20:22:55 <Kiba> yes, just they see posts on the forum.
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1045 2010-11-23 20:23:35 <gavinandresen> The Man won't see it, but the Men in Black will.
1046 2010-11-23 20:23:42 <mpkomara> oh hello gavin
1047 2010-11-23 20:23:51 <gavinandresen> howdy
1048 2010-11-23 20:23:52 <mpkomara> all my bitcoin heroes are here
1049 2010-11-23 20:23:55 <mpkomara> that's cool!
1050 2010-11-23 20:25:08 <Kiba> who are the heroes?
1051 2010-11-23 20:25:09 <nanotube> mpkomara: indeed. irc is where the action is. :)
1052 2010-11-23 20:25:25 <Kiba> Satoshi is never here
1053 2010-11-23 20:25:32 <Kiba> he's a...mystery man
1054 2010-11-23 20:25:35 <Kiba> or mystery girl?
1055 2010-11-23 20:25:41 <nanotube> s/man/human/ :)
1056 2010-11-23 20:25:43 <mpkomara> he's not even japanese
1057 2010-11-23 20:25:51 <mpkomara> totally Ukranian
1058 2010-11-23 20:25:54 <Kiba> so that your theory?
1059 2010-11-23 20:26:11 <mpkomara> only a launderer could come up with this idea
1060 2010-11-23 20:26:31 <nanotube> or a libertarian. :)
1061 2010-11-23 20:26:50 <Kiba> The Mystery of Satoshi Nakamoto
1062 2010-11-23 20:27:28 <mpkomara> i was getting frustrated with the forum's response to the thread "is increasing difficulty a good sign"
1063 2010-11-23 20:28:23 <djoot> Kiba: price is determined by supply/demand, value is subjective. But close enough :)
1064 2010-11-23 20:28:30 <mpkomara> for a given difficulty isn't it better to have n+1 generators rather than n generators?
1065 2010-11-23 20:28:37 <nanotube> mpkomara: while you are here, check out some other interesting bitcoin-related channels... we have #bitcoin-market for live streaming mtg/bcm quotes, #bc-news for streaming rss feeds, and #bitcoin-otc for OTC trading
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1067 2010-11-23 20:29:17 <djoot> that acrylicist annoys the hell out of me too..
1068 2010-11-23 20:29:58 <djoot> good job trying to set him straight Kiba
1069 2010-11-23 20:30:25 <Kiba> poor economics make baby Satoshi cry ;)
1070 2010-11-23 20:30:55 <brocktice> ArtForz, you're using ipv6?
1071 2010-11-23 20:31:11 <ArtForz> yup
1072 2010-11-23 20:31:13 <nanotube> his host seems to speak for itself :)
1073 2010-11-23 20:31:30 <brocktice> ArtForz, does your ISP provide that native or do you have to do a bridge or whatever it's called?
1074 2010-11-23 20:31:36 <ArtForz> he.net tunnel
1075 2010-11-23 20:31:40 <brocktice> ah
1076 2010-11-23 20:34:41 <brocktice> acrylicist is just pissy because bitcoin is tromping all over his xi thing.
1077 2010-11-23 20:34:50 <nanotube> what xi thing?
1078 2010-11-23 20:34:54 <brocktice> See my tweet a few days ago
1079 2010-11-23 20:34:59 <brocktice> xifin.wordpress.com
1080 2010-11-23 20:35:34 <brocktice> "What you have is a bunch of nerds sitting in the basement, building their water-cooled GPU farms to generate BTC hoping for riches! "
1081 2010-11-23 20:35:39 <brocktice> Hey, I resemble that... strongly.
1082 2010-11-23 20:36:00 <Kiba> nerds don't make money when there are no deflation.
1083 2010-11-23 20:36:06 <brocktice> nerd - yep, basement - yep, water-cooled gpu farm - well, farm is a strong word.
1084 2010-11-23 20:36:10 <brocktice> Yeah he has it all wrong
1085 2010-11-23 20:36:11 <brocktice> but that's ok
1086 2010-11-23 20:36:13 <brocktice> more BTC for me.
1087 2010-11-23 20:36:19 <ArtForz> not really... ground floor. aircooled.
1088 2010-11-23 20:36:35 <nanotube> heh
1089 2010-11-23 20:36:39 <brocktice> 6 cores isn't what I'd call a farm
1090 2010-11-23 20:36:46 <brocktice> I can't help it if my office is in the basement
1091 2010-11-23 20:36:51 <brocktice> It's a small house, yo.
1092 2010-11-23 20:37:35 <ArtForz> 28 GPU cores mining here
1093 2010-11-23 20:37:42 <Kiba> Jesus.
1094 2010-11-23 20:37:48 <brocktice> that's more of a farm
1095 2010-11-23 20:38:15 <ArtForz> slightly
1096 2010-11-23 20:38:37 <ArtForz> still a kinda small farm
1097 2010-11-23 20:38:42 <ArtForz> I should be up to 40 in a week or so
1098 2010-11-23 20:38:47 <brocktice> Yeah come talk to me when you have several racks full
1099 2010-11-23 20:38:56 <brocktice> then we can talk about farms.
1100 2010-11-23 20:39:06 <brocktice> speaking of
1101 2010-11-23 20:39:13 <Kiba> my picture will include a GPU farm
1102 2010-11-23 20:39:27 <brocktice> I asked an HPC service I use if they'd consider adding ATI cards (right now they have Tesla)
1103 2010-11-23 20:39:30 <brocktice> They're looking into it.
1104 2010-11-23 20:39:35 <ArtForz> imo a decent farm is somewhere north of 1k cores
1105 2010-11-23 20:40:29 <brocktice> Well, I called him out.
1106 2010-11-23 20:40:31 <brocktice> Almost literally.
1107 2010-11-23 20:40:35 <brocktice> We'll see what happens.
1108 2010-11-23 20:51:50 * Kiba wonders if he is getting any money for his sketch
1109 2010-11-23 20:52:23 <mpkomara> how do i get to bitcoin-otc
1110 2010-11-23 20:52:35 <Kiba> #bitcoin-otc
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1112 2010-11-23 20:55:30 <dsg> Wow, kalyhost's VPS terms of use are fairly bad. Peer-to-peer software is forbidden. So I guess you can pay in bitcoins, but just don't run it there.
1113 2010-11-23 20:58:45 <ArtForz> wow that sucks
1114 2010-11-23 20:59:26 <altamic> any advice on https://vekja.net/
1115 2010-11-23 20:59:28 <altamic> ?
1116 2010-11-23 20:59:54 <altamic> I love their goal
1117 2010-11-23 21:04:35 <Kiba> 25 BTC per week is expensive
1118 2010-11-23 21:04:59 <Kiba> that's 28 bucks per month
1119 2010-11-23 21:12:22 <edcba> what ?
1120 2010-11-23 21:12:28 <edcba> 25 = 28 now ???
1121 2010-11-23 21:13:05 <Kiba> 100 BTC a month
1122 2010-11-23 21:13:08 <Kiba> that's 28 bucks
1123 2010-11-23 21:15:31 <brocktice> Only thing is
1124 2010-11-23 21:15:49 <brocktice> How do you know it's not "Vekja.net: subsidiary of the FBI"
1125 2010-11-23 21:16:02 <brocktice> "thus, even in the event of a supoena, your anonyminity is protected"
1126 2010-11-23 21:16:06 <brocktice> there's nothing to say that's not BS.
1127 2010-11-23 21:17:15 * Kiba got 0.06 for his trouble
1128 2010-11-23 21:21:35 <altamic> so one should write an oss
1129 2010-11-23 21:21:45 <altamic> and sell the service
1130 2010-11-23 21:22:09 <altamic> for a *fair* price
1131 2010-11-23 21:22:42 <Kiba> altamic: my art is copyfree
1132 2010-11-23 21:23:12 * Kiba made a 0.05 profit today
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1134 2010-11-23 21:28:26 <brocktice> Kiba, that site still doesn't work for me
1135 2010-11-23 21:28:31 <brocktice> must be something with my ffox setup
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1140 2010-11-23 21:48:46 <ArtForz> fucking hell
1141 2010-11-23 21:49:19 <ArtForz> est. shipping date on my next 8 5970s got bounced back AGAIN
1142 2010-11-23 21:49:57 <ArtForz> dec 6th
1143 2010-11-23 21:52:47 <tylergillies> is this social and dev room or just dev?
1144 2010-11-23 21:53:24 <Kiba> both
1145 2010-11-23 21:53:27 <tylergillies> ok cool
1146 2010-11-23 21:55:41 <nanotube> tylergillies: yea, see topic. all related discussions are welcome. :)
1147 2010-11-23 22:01:37 <tcatm> Kiba: what about a anti-aliased banner for the project wonderful operation?
1148 2010-11-23 22:02:08 <Kiba> I thought it is already anti-alisased?
1149 2010-11-23 22:02:26 <tylergillies> you guys see the new amazon gpu clients?
1150 2010-11-23 22:02:35 <tcatm> looks kinda blocky...
1151 2010-11-23 22:02:40 <tylergillies> s/clients/servers/
1152 2010-11-23 22:06:01 <Kiba> tcatm: I put up a revised banner with a different font
1153 2010-11-23 22:06:54 <nanotube> tylergillies: yea people have talked about them... the price/performance of those doesn't make financial sense to mine bitcoin on that.
1154 2010-11-23 22:06:54 <ArtForz> tylergillies: yep, someone already calculated they're so not worth it it isn't even funny
1155 2010-11-23 22:07:46 <davex__> does it ever make financial sense at the current price / difficulty?
1156 2010-11-23 22:07:58 <ArtForz> does what?
1157 2010-11-23 22:08:03 <davex__> mining
1158 2010-11-23 22:08:05 <ArtForz> sure
1159 2010-11-23 22:08:15 <Kiba> if price rise, mining is more favorable
1160 2010-11-23 22:08:42 <davex__> right, i'm just wondering if there are too many miners atm
1161 2010-11-23 22:08:48 <Kiba> but so the temptation to sell more bitcoins, which keep price from rising
1162 2010-11-23 22:09:17 <Kiba> price rise, more mining, less return on mining
1163 2010-11-23 22:09:28 <davex__> right, excess miners should get driven out.
1164 2010-11-23 22:09:48 <nanotube> davex__: people with ati GPUs are making a handy profit even now.
1165 2010-11-23 22:09:49 <tcatm> Kiba: mhm what about something like this? http://bitcoincharts.com/static/stuff/bitcoin-banner1.png
1166 2010-11-23 22:10:28 <Kiba> you didn't change the size of the banner?
1167 2010-11-23 22:10:51 <tcatm> Nope. Still 468x60
1168 2010-11-23 22:13:22 <tylergillies> there can never be too many miners
1169 2010-11-23 22:14:03 <tylergillies> bitcoin mining is about transaction accounting not profit making (idealogically anyway)
1170 2010-11-23 22:14:49 <tcatm> Kiba: have you already decided on sites to advertise on?
1171 2010-11-23 22:14:50 <Kiba> but there must be incentives to do transaction accounting
1172 2010-11-23 22:15:00 <Kiba> tcatm: I am targeting new hampishare forum
1173 2010-11-23 22:16:05 <tcatm> 22502?
1174 2010-11-23 22:17:46 <nanotube> tylergillies: indeed, but ideology alone doesn't do the trick in the long term. it's all about the profit motive. :)
1175 2010-11-23 22:18:48 <tylergillies> Kiba: nanotube: the incentive to make bitcoin a viable alternative currency isn't incentive enough? ;)
1176 2010-11-23 22:19:49 <Kiba> more incentives, da better
1177 2010-11-23 22:20:02 <nanotube> tylergillies: for us the idealists, maybe. but in the long run, a system does not survive on idealism alone.
1178 2010-11-23 22:21:17 <tylergillies> if people stopped mining all together, would the network fail to operate?
1179 2010-11-23 22:21:38 <ArtForz> yes
1180 2010-11-23 22:21:50 <brocktice> but then, someone would mine.
1181 2010-11-23 22:21:53 <ColonelPanic1> there would be nobody to verify the transactions
1182 2010-11-23 22:21:55 * Kiba tries to futilely generate bitcoin anyway
1183 2010-11-23 22:22:03 <ColonelPanic1> but the less people mining, the easier it will be to generate BC
1184 2010-11-23 22:22:08 <ColonelPanic1> so the incentive to mine goes up
1185 2010-11-23 22:22:27 <Kiba> but then...
1186 2010-11-23 22:22:29 <Kiba> ya know.
1187 2010-11-23 22:22:32 <Kiba> difficulty goes up
1188 2010-11-23 22:22:35 <Kiba> less incentive to mine
1189 2010-11-23 22:22:37 <ColonelPanic1> profit profit profit
1190 2010-11-23 22:22:40 <davex__> i think fewer miners makes it easier to subvert the network, also.
1191 2010-11-23 22:22:41 <nanotube> it's called 'equilibrium' :)
1192 2010-11-23 22:23:08 <brocktice> system seems to be properly damped right now
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1194 2010-11-23 22:23:43 <Kiba> interesting
1195 2010-11-23 22:23:46 <Kiba> twitter network effect
1196 2010-11-23 22:23:52 <Kiba> one guy twitter his learning of bitcoin
1197 2010-11-23 22:23:56 <Kiba> the other guys retweet
1198 2010-11-23 22:24:00 <Kiba> then so on...
1199 2010-11-23 22:24:17 <brocktice> Kiba, let me sell you some social networking consulting.
1200 2010-11-23 22:24:24 <brocktice> I have  a facebook account and a twitter account, so I'm an expert.
1201 2010-11-23 22:25:20 <Kiba> BS.
1202 2010-11-23 22:25:32 <brocktice> exactly :)
1203 2010-11-23 22:25:32 <Kiba> I also have a facebook account and a twitter account.
1204 2010-11-23 22:25:42 <ArtForz> you forgot the <sarcasm> tags :P
1205 2010-11-23 22:25:43 <brocktice> But google for "social networking consultant"
1206 2010-11-23 22:25:54 <Kiba> sarcasm is not easily detected
1207 2010-11-23 22:25:58 <brocktice> it's both funny and sad at the same time
1208 2010-11-23 22:26:25 <Kiba> we should rename it to the networking expert
1209 2010-11-23 22:26:34 <Kiba> doesn't sound so news
1210 2010-11-23 22:26:45 <ArtForz> yep, conveying sarcasm in text is hard
1211 2010-11-23 22:26:57 <tylergillies> no its not.
1212 2010-11-23 22:27:03 <brocktice> lol
1213 2010-11-23 22:27:04 <xelister> I wonder if the GPUs didnt appear to quickly
1214 2010-11-23 22:27:19 <xelister> all "normal" users with 1-4 M cpus are excluded
1215 2010-11-23 22:27:38 <xelister> oh well, I guess though soon enought everyone will have at least 30M gpu
1216 2010-11-23 22:27:44 <ArtForz> yeah, and people with acess to a decent cluster could pwn the network
1217 2010-11-23 22:27:46 <tylergillies> what is the incentive to mine after we reach max coins? transaction fees?
1218 2010-11-23 22:27:57 <nanotube> tylergillies: yep
1219 2010-11-23 22:28:00 <Kiba> people could always sell old GPU units
1220 2010-11-23 22:28:06 <Kiba> hmm
1221 2010-11-23 22:28:17 <xelister> ArtForz: although why actually should they, if they monopolize it then noone uses it and all bitcoins are hyperinflated to 0 usd
1222 2010-11-23 22:28:53 <xelister> tylergillies: and that will be in like 30 years or so
1223 2010-11-23 22:29:02 <tylergillies> will it be equally as hard to get transaction fees than bitcoins or is difficulty on based on new bitcoin generation?
1224 2010-11-23 22:29:10 <ArtForz> max coins is FAR off
1225 2010-11-23 22:29:15 <tylergillies> i thought estimations put it at 4 years
1226 2010-11-23 22:29:18 <Kiba> 120 years from now
1227 2010-11-23 22:29:19 <ArtForz> afair more like 130 years
1228 2010-11-23 22:29:20 <tylergillies> i must have read something wrong
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1230 2010-11-23 22:29:50 <Kiba> by then, there might be no government faggots
1231 2010-11-23 22:30:01 <ArtForz> in about 2 years generation will halve the first time
1232 2010-11-23 22:31:04 <tylergillies> anyone know what happend to bitcoin gateway?
1233 2010-11-23 22:31:30 <Kiba> checking
1234 2010-11-23 22:32:15 <ArtForz> xelister: no real economic incentive
1235 2010-11-23 22:32:21 <ArtForz> but it wouldnt have been too hard
1236 2010-11-23 22:32:41 <Kiba> no idea. server down.
1237 2010-11-23 22:32:55 <ArtForz> even after /. the total network was only ~2Gh/s
1238 2010-11-23 22:33:00 <brocktice> yeah we'll probably be dead before generation stops totally
1239 2010-11-23 22:33:09 <brocktice> although if Kurzweil is right we might not
1240 2010-11-23 22:33:25 <Kiba> http://status.linode.com/2010/11/fremont-connectivity.html
1241 2010-11-23 22:35:55 <brocktice> yeah my node is in Newark, thankfully
1242 2010-11-23 22:36:12 <tylergillies> i think thats the second time linode went down this week
1243 2010-11-23 22:37:35 <Kiba> all ISPs went down.
1244 2010-11-23 22:37:38 <Kiba> err
1245 2010-11-23 22:37:41 <Kiba> hosts went down...
1246 2010-11-23 22:38:16 <ColonelPanic1> Can I use an opencl miner to send work to another client on the network, or only a local client?
1247 2010-11-23 22:38:16 <Kiba> especially the new hosts
1248 2010-11-23 22:38:20 <brocktice> fremont has issues
1249 2010-11-23 22:38:34 <brocktice> I work with another company in fremont and they're all the time having power and networking issues upstream
1250 2010-11-23 22:39:24 <brocktice> ColonelPanic1, you'd just have to tweak the python code in m0mchil's miner
1251 2010-11-23 22:39:29 <brocktice> where he sets up the connection
1252 2010-11-23 22:39:41 <tcatm> mtgox volume today is $1337 :)
1253 2010-11-23 22:39:57 <ColonelPanic1> I've still yet to get it to work on the local machine, so that's a bit off
1254 2010-11-23 22:40:01 <brocktice> bitcoin = ServiceProxy('http://' + options.user + ':' + options.password + '@' + options.host + ':' + options.port)
1255 2010-11-23 22:40:14 <brocktice> oh I guess you can even just specify on the command line, that's right
1256 2010-11-23 22:40:52 <Kiba> so, we're still stuck in .27 and .28
1257 2010-11-23 22:41:11 <Kiba> the bitcoin economy and spectulation seem to have no correlation at all
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1259 2010-11-23 22:44:05 <jgarzik> w00t
1260 2010-11-23 22:44:23 <Kiba> what is the meaning of your w00t, jgarzik ?
1261 2010-11-23 22:44:33 <jgarzik> I sent satoshi the modularize_miner patch, and he does his own version of 'getwork'
1262 2010-11-23 22:44:39 * jgarzik accomplishes his intended goal
1263 2010-11-23 22:47:13 <nanotube> w00t indeed, jgarzik :)
1264 2010-11-23 22:47:16 <Kiba> so satoshi doesn't accept your patch?
1265 2010-11-23 22:47:19 <tylergillies> what is getwork?
1266 2010-11-23 22:47:22 <jgarzik> Kiba: no
1267 2010-11-23 22:47:25 <jgarzik> tylergillies: remote mining
1268 2010-11-23 22:47:28 <ColonelPanic1> so how do I apply this m0mchil's patch in linux
1269 2010-11-23 22:47:34 <tylergillies> i think im a smart guy, but hanging out with you people makes me feel dumb sometimes ;)
1270 2010-11-23 22:47:36 <jgarzik> ColonelPanic1: as of today, you don't need a patch
1271 2010-11-23 22:47:42 <ColonelPanic1> oh wait, seriously?
1272 2010-11-23 22:47:57 <ColonelPanic1> is it in the latest svn?
1273 2010-11-23 22:48:11 <jgarzik> ColonelPanic1: yes, the latest SVN includes satoshi's own version of getwork RPC call.
1274 2010-11-23 22:48:14 <tylergillies> jgarzik: what is remote mining?
1275 2010-11-23 22:48:45 <jgarzik> tylergillies: mining, using a program external to the bitcoin / bitcoind standard client
1276 2010-11-23 22:48:56 <jgarzik> tylergillies: possibly over a network
1277 2010-11-23 22:49:49 <jgarzik> latest SVN also includes coding.txt, a description of satoshi coding style...  which includes bloody Hungarian notation.
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1279 2010-11-23 22:51:24 <ColonelPanic1> too bad I don't know how to use SVN
1280 2010-11-23 22:52:06 <jgarzik> man, the bitcoin economy is really rockin'.  bitcoin-to-credit-card and credit-card-to-bitcoin recent additions should do wonders for getting people into BTC.
1281 2010-11-23 22:52:22 <Kiba> and there art for people to purchase!
1282 2010-11-23 22:52:36 * jgarzik has been thinking about working on an external CPU miner
1283 2010-11-23 22:52:39 <jgarzik> in C
1284 2010-11-23 22:52:55 <ColonelPanic1> sounds awesome
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1286 2010-11-23 22:53:04 <ColonelPanic1> as in, mine over a network?
1287 2010-11-23 22:54:00 <davex__> jgarzik, who's accepting credit cards?
1288 2010-11-23 22:54:59 <jgarzik> davex__: bitcoingateway, IIRC.  "chaord" on the forums.
1289 2010-11-23 22:55:25 <jgarzik> davex__: they do manual auth to avoid fraud
1290 2010-11-23 22:55:35 <jgarzik> ColonelPanic1: correct
1291 2010-11-23 22:56:01 <jgarzik> ColonelPanic1: that's what getwork does.  You can set up m0mchil GPU miners on 10 computers, and just run one copy of bitcoin on one computer, for the actual P2P network.l
1292 2010-11-23 22:56:25 <jgarzik> no need to run 10 copies of bitcoin.  you just need to run as many miners as possible given your hardware setup.
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1296 2010-11-23 23:16:23 <ColonelPanic1> how do I compile from source on my windows machine
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1298 2010-11-23 23:19:57 <davex__> think there's a readme about it in there somewhere
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1300 2010-11-23 23:24:00 <ne0futur> jgarzik: yes but all of this needs trust
1301 2010-11-23 23:24:32 <ne0futur> credit card or not its not so easy to give money to a website
1302 2010-11-23 23:24:53 <ne0futur> a reason why the initiative of bitcoin-otc seems important to me
1303 2010-11-23 23:25:02 <ne0futur> http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/User_GPG_keys
1304 2010-11-23 23:25:17 <ne0futur> building a web of trust
1305 2010-11-23 23:25:30 <ne0futur> later we can make a graph of the bitcoin WoT
1306 2010-11-23 23:25:48 <jgarzik> ne0futur: yes, I've been involved with nanotube in WoT stuff.
1307 2010-11-23 23:27:00 <ne0futur> one day we ll build something like this : http://www.phildev.net/pgp/gpg_graphs.html
1308 2010-11-23 23:28:14 <ne0futur> http://www.chaosreigns.com/code/sig2dot/
1309 2010-11-23 23:28:58 <ne0futur> and it ll be easier for some ( at least for me ) to have trust in a website made by someone well identified and being in the WoT
1310 2010-11-23 23:31:09 <ne0futur> its great btc can be an anonymous currency, but imho its very important service providers are trusted and identified
1311 2010-11-23 23:33:20 <jgarzik> at the beginning.  if bitcoin is successful, you're use existing webs-of-trust -- SSL certificates -- at major sites such as amazon.com
1312 2010-11-23 23:34:08 <ne0futur> hum i m thinking of this _before_ amazon accept bitcoins as payment
1313 2010-11-23 23:35:33 <jgarzik> that's what I just said :)
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1315 2010-11-23 23:43:58 <tcatm> Is there already some website collecting links to articles about bitcoin?
1316 2010-11-23 23:44:09 <Kiba> bitcoinmedia?
1317 2010-11-23 23:45:19 <tcatm> url?
1318 2010-11-23 23:45:28 <tylergillies> how do you backup your mtgox wallet?
1319 2010-11-23 23:45:44 <tylergillies> or do you just transfer to localhost and backup that wallet periodically?
1320 2010-11-23 23:46:07 <tcatm> tylergillies: yes you have to transfer first
1321 2010-11-23 23:46:11 <tylergillies> ok
1322 2010-11-23 23:46:14 <tylergillies> thnx
1323 2010-11-23 23:46:16 <Kiba> http://bitcoinmedia.posterous.com/
1324 2010-11-23 23:46:35 <tcatm> it's full of technical analysis?
1325 2010-11-23 23:47:34 <Kiba> hmm. total profit is .05 BTC today.
1326 2010-11-23 23:47:39 <Kiba> Puny profit.
1327 2010-11-23 23:49:48 <noagendamarket> bitcoinmedia is my site kiba
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1330 2010-11-23 23:51:01 <noagendamarket> I let him post to it by email  as a contributor...so far he is the only one using it as a group blog
1331 2010-11-23 23:51:37 <noagendamarket> Anyone writing bitcoin related stuff can post to it.
1332 2010-11-23 23:56:55 <plasmaton> any porn sites accept bitcoin?
1333 2010-11-23 23:57:29 <tcatm> plasmaton: bitcoin.org/trade/
1334 2010-11-23 23:59:29 <Kiba> MMO, gambling, and p0rn
1335 2010-11-23 23:59:32 <Kiba> the big three