1 2010-11-25 00:00:19 kisom_dev is now known as ups_guy
2 2010-11-25 00:00:50 ups_guy is now known as kisom_dev
3 2010-11-25 00:01:17 <ArtForz> yep
4 2010-11-25 00:01:20 <ArtForz> tx flood is back
5 2010-11-25 00:01:47 <Kiba> an annoyance, ArtForz
6 2010-11-25 00:02:00 <ArtForz> yeah
7 2010-11-25 00:02:14 <nanotube> isn't m0mchil's miner and diablo's miner fixed to not choke on that already? or you think people are still running a bunch of old code?
8 2010-11-25 00:02:22 <ArtForz> they are
9 2010-11-25 00:02:31 <ArtForz> just check BBE
10 2010-11-25 00:02:54 <Kiba> jackass transaction denial attack
11 2010-11-25 00:02:58 <ArtForz> all blocks with 12-14 or so smap TX are fixed miners
12 2010-11-25 00:03:01 * Kiba RAGES
13 2010-11-25 00:03:03 <ArtForz> *spam
14 2010-11-25 00:03:33 <ArtForz> so first glance it looks like ~90% of the generators are running upgraded
15 2010-11-25 00:05:05 <nanotube> ArtForz: how do you know which miner generates which block? for all you know, it could just be you generating the spam-filled blocks. :)
16 2010-11-25 00:05:30 <ArtForz> old miners fill the block to 219 or so TX with spam
17 2010-11-25 00:05:51 <ArtForz> new miners limit spam tx to 13 or so per block
18 2010-11-25 00:06:45 <nanotube> aha i see... how does it detect what's a 'spam' tx?
19 2010-11-25 00:07:04 <nanotube> and, what happens with the other spam tx's, then? do they just float around the network 'forever'?
20 2010-11-25 00:07:11 <ArtForz> kinda
21 2010-11-25 00:07:27 <ArtForz> they just sit in tx caches until they make it into a block
22 2010-11-25 00:07:28 Xunie has joined
23 2010-11-25 00:07:42 <nanotube> ArtForz: and what about the 1st question? :)
24 2010-11-25 00:07:55 <ArtForz> currently quite easily
25 2010-11-25 00:08:02 <ArtForz> 0.01 btc -> 0.01 btc
26 2010-11-25 00:08:25 <ArtForz> dozens of those
27 2010-11-25 00:08:27 <tcatm> won't they keep the tx cache filled then?
28 2010-11-25 00:08:42 <ArtForz> thats currently a bit of a problöm
29 2010-11-25 00:08:52 <ArtForz> the tx cache has no size limit
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31 2010-11-25 00:09:09 <tcatm> yep, i see my bitcoind eating up memory ;)
32 2010-11-25 00:09:46 <doublec> would introducing a transaction fee fix this? The spammer will then run out of money to spam with.
33 2010-11-25 00:09:50 <Kiba> does everyone have the same cache, or what?
34 2010-11-25 00:09:54 <ArtForz> no
35 2010-11-25 00:10:06 <ArtForz> everyone caches the TXes they see flying by
36 2010-11-25 00:11:09 <ArtForz> if you receive a TX you dont have cached (and is valid of course), you put it in cache and broadcast it
37 2010-11-25 00:12:12 <ArtForz> orphan TX (= tx that look internally valid but you dont have a tx their txins refer to in chain or cache) get put in orphan cache and arent broadcast
38 2010-11-25 00:13:29 <tcatm> is there any good solution to the spamming problem?
39 2010-11-25 00:14:01 <Kiba> wait until everyone upgrade?
40 2010-11-25 00:14:20 <ArtForz> even if all generators are updated the spam TX will still fill caches
41 2010-11-25 00:14:32 <ArtForz> tx fees would obviously work
42 2010-11-25 00:15:04 <tcatm> not really. you could send 1000 btc instead of 0.01 btc?
43 2010-11-25 00:15:22 <Kiba> you have to buy more and more bitcoins
44 2010-11-25 00:15:26 <Kiba> to make it up for what you lost
45 2010-11-25 00:15:30 <ArtForz> if every TX costs 0.01, every tx costs 0.01
46 2010-11-25 00:15:47 Toadyonps3 has joined
47 2010-11-25 00:16:02 <ArtForz> so if you send a few 1000, thats a few 10btc you "lost"
48 2010-11-25 00:16:24 <ArtForz> right now spamming is free
49 2010-11-25 00:16:24 <Kiba> everybody would like some bitcoins
50 2010-11-25 00:16:30 <Kiba> so all he's really doing is donating his money
51 2010-11-25 00:16:55 <Kiba> of course, this cost...money
52 2010-11-25 00:16:59 <ArtForz> = a spammer can just grab 0.05 off the faucet and keep moving those around indefinetly
53 2010-11-25 00:17:00 <MT`AwAy> mh
54 2010-11-25 00:17:45 <ArtForz> there also might be somewhat of a technical solution
55 2010-11-25 00:18:05 <ArtForz> we already "score" tx for block inclusion for mining
56 2010-11-25 00:18:39 <MT`AwAy> maybe include transactions with larger amount in priority
57 2010-11-25 00:18:46 <tcatm> including them is not a big problem, is it?
58 2010-11-25 00:20:11 <ArtForz> what if we limit tx cache size and use same/similar scoring to decide which TXs to "forget"
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60 2010-11-25 00:20:22 <ArtForz> we already do that
61 2010-11-25 00:20:40 <Kiba> ArtForz: then he could just rebroadcast
62 2010-11-25 00:20:53 <tcatm> the sender will re-broadcast anyway...
63 2010-11-25 00:21:00 <ArtForz> and it wont help him much
64 2010-11-25 00:21:07 <tcatm> but he'd need to wait for at least one block
65 2010-11-25 00:21:15 <MT`AwAy> yep, it will rebroadcast once in a while until the transaction is in a block
66 2010-11-25 00:21:18 <ArtForz> yep
67 2010-11-25 00:21:26 <MT`AwAy> bitcoin.ch bitcoin.asia bitcoin.st bitcoin.nf bitcoin.bz bitcoin.li bitcoin.at bitcoin.ws bitcoin.hn bitcoin.ht bitcoin.tk bitcoin.tv bitcoin.tw bitcoin.tc bitcoin.gd bitcoin.vg bitcoin.nu bitcoin.ac bitcoin.io bitcoin.sh bitcoin.im bitcoin.cx bitcoin.jp bitcoin.md bitcoin.vc bitcoin.tl bitcoin.si bitcoin.se bitcoin.in bitcoin.la bitcoin.dk bitcoin.it* bitcoin.fr* bitcoin.pe bitcoin.ms bitcoin.gl bitcoin.lu
68 2010-11-25 00:22:13 <Kiba> what if he decides to connect to 50 people?
69 2010-11-25 00:22:19 <ArtForz> still wont help
70 2010-11-25 00:22:58 <ArtForz> if the tx cache size is limited (and TX are scored by "spammyness"), all the spammer will be doing is pushing some of his own spam tx out of caches
71 2010-11-25 00:23:04 <MT`AwAy> ideally if all clients have the new rules, his only way would be to mine blocks with his transactions himself
72 2010-11-25 00:23:25 <Kiba> I think cache limit is a better solution than pay transaction
73 2010-11-25 00:23:56 <ArtForz> current tx "score" is sum of (#confirms of input tx * #coins of that input tx)
74 2010-11-25 00:24:00 * Kiba received commision of .01 btc everythme when somebody download his stuff
75 2010-11-25 00:24:38 <ArtForz> the normal client tries very hard to not include 0/unconfirmed coins in sent tx
76 2010-11-25 00:25:17 <ArtForz> = normal transactions usually have non-0 scores
77 2010-11-25 00:25:48 <ArtForz> while a chain of 0.0x btc going a->b->a->b is one non-0 tx followed by a chain of 0-score tx
78 2010-11-25 00:25:54 <Kiba> Ya think somebody is trying to make the network more inconvenient
79 2010-11-25 00:25:55 Akiraa has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
80 2010-11-25 00:26:01 <Kiba> or trying to show security flaw?
81 2010-11-25 00:26:22 <ArtForz> well, we should thank him
82 2010-11-25 00:27:06 <Kiba> tommorow, we're going to break forum record
83 2010-11-25 00:27:15 <Kiba> the pace of posting is 200 per days...recently
84 2010-11-25 00:27:29 <ArtForz> we can now contemplate and implement ways to limit spam before our userbasde is big enough that upgrading close-to-everyone would take ages
85 2010-11-25 00:41:59 xelister has joined
86 2010-11-25 00:44:50 <tylergillies> anyone know if digitalcoin.info is an actual thing yet or just vaporware?
87 2010-11-25 00:47:20 theymos has joined
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89 2010-11-25 00:57:19 <jgarzik> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1925.0
90 2010-11-25 00:57:20 <jgarzik> New demonstration CPU miner available
91 2010-11-25 00:57:33 <tcatm> does it work now?
92 2010-11-25 01:05:17 <jgarzik> yes :)
93 2010-11-25 01:06:46 <tcatm> nice. what was the problem? (i've debugged it a bit today and haven't got it working)
94 2010-11-25 01:08:08 bost_ has joined
95 2010-11-25 01:08:12 <bost_> hi all
96 2010-11-25 01:08:38 <tcatm> hi
97 2010-11-25 01:12:23 <ColonelPanic1> oh sweet, nice to see you made some progress jgarzik
98 2010-11-25 01:13:21 <jgarzik> tcatm: my sha256 algorithm was byteswapping its input in the initial LOAD_OP stuff. the data was already byteswapping, so that resulted in incorrect hash results.
99 2010-11-25 01:13:50 <tcatm> ah interesting
100 2010-11-25 01:14:43 <jgarzik> verified generation on testnet, so it + new getwork... works.
101 2010-11-25 01:15:11 <tcatm> cool. how big is the network latency for getwork?
102 2010-11-25 01:16:38 <jgarzik> small, when it's localhost :)
103 2010-11-25 01:17:20 <jgarzik> I don't stop nonce'ing at 0xffff. You're looking at a metric ton of 'getwork' requests at that point. I continue incrementing nonce to 0xffffff.
104 2010-11-25 01:17:44 <ColonelPanic1> ffff pidgin doesn't do SASL, I need another irc client
105 2010-11-25 01:17:53 <tcatm> for opencl miners latency is an issue
106 2010-11-25 01:17:58 <ColonelPanic1> or I need linux on here
107 2010-11-25 01:24:08 <jgarzik> tcatm: do you mean time between new TX (and thus new block header) in bitcoin client, and time that new data is hashed in the miner?
108 2010-11-25 01:25:13 warner has quit (Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs))
109 2010-11-25 01:25:23 <tcatm> no, time between two scanhash() calls including the time it takes to fetch a new workunit
110 2010-11-25 01:25:52 <nanotube> jgarzik: congrats on getting it working :)
111 2010-11-25 01:26:39 <jgarzik> tcatm: how does that become an issue?
112 2010-11-25 01:27:20 <tcatm> during that time the miner is not mining
113 2010-11-25 01:29:13 <jgarzik> tcatm: decrease the number of workunit fetches with a patch like
114 2010-11-25 01:29:13 <jgarzik> - if ((nNonce & 0xffff) == 0)
115 2010-11-25 01:29:13 <jgarzik> + if ((nNonce & 0xffffff) == 0)
116 2010-11-25 01:29:43 <jgarzik> and spend more overall time mining
117 2010-11-25 01:31:52 <jgarzik> bitcoin really should accepting gzip encoding for JSON, too, IMO
118 2010-11-25 01:31:56 <jgarzik> accept
119 2010-11-25 01:32:55 <tcatm> is the address cache full of invalid addrs?
120 2010-11-25 01:40:08 <MT`AwAy> [10:23:52] <jgarzik> bitcoin really should accepting gzip encoding for JSON, too, IMO <- you can enable layer level compression when using SSL
121 2010-11-25 01:40:43 <brocktice> Is there some way to make the server listen to clients beside localhost?
122 2010-11-25 01:40:59 <brocktice> I can do an ssh tunnel but it's not ideal
123 2010-11-25 01:41:20 <MT`AwAy> brocktice: rpcallowip=* for example
124 2010-11-25 01:41:28 <brocktice> ah, thanks
125 2010-11-25 01:41:34 <MT`AwAy> if you do that it'll listen on any instead of 127.0.0.1
126 2010-11-25 01:42:08 <brocktice> wildcards are ok?
127 2010-11-25 01:42:12 <brocktice> Like 10.0.0.*
128 2010-11-25 01:42:18 <MT`AwAy> I guess so
129 2010-11-25 01:42:28 <brocktice> one way to find out :)
130 2010-11-25 01:43:33 <brocktice> yep, seems to work
131 2010-11-25 01:43:35 <brocktice> yay!
132 2010-11-25 01:43:41 <brocktice> thanks! address?
133 2010-11-25 01:43:59 <tcatm> mhm how do i work around a "file descriptor out of range"?
134 2010-11-25 01:44:11 <doublec> brocktice, keep in mind if you're not using SSL that your rpcpassword is being sent in the clear
135 2010-11-25 01:44:15 <brocktice> tcatm, what's the context?
136 2010-11-25 01:44:17 <kermit> tcatm: are you using select()
137 2010-11-25 01:44:19 <brocktice> doublec, It's just on the local network
138 2010-11-25 01:44:22 <tcatm> kermit: yes
139 2010-11-25 01:44:30 <doublec> ok, just thought I'd mention it just in case
140 2010-11-25 01:44:31 <brocktice> doublec, I want to have multiple miners connect to one bitcoind
141 2010-11-25 01:44:37 <brocktice> doublec, I appreciate it though
142 2010-11-25 01:44:52 <kermit> tcatm: i think i heard you should use poll() now
143 2010-11-25 01:45:24 <tcatm> mhm should actually work. i'm using seperate threads anyway
144 2010-11-25 01:45:30 <kermit> tcatm: i think i heard one reason is exactly that, it can handle more descriptors than select(), but i may be wrong
145 2010-11-25 01:45:32 <MT`AwAy> brocktice: address of?
146 2010-11-25 01:45:41 <tcatm> (i'm trying to connect to as many bitcoin nodes as possible)
147 2010-11-25 01:45:45 <kermit> tcatm: poll() isnt actually polling, its just like select()
148 2010-11-25 01:46:49 <kermit> tcatm: all i remember for sure is that there's no reason to use select() anymore if you have poll()
149 2010-11-25 01:47:03 <brocktice> MT`AwAy, a bitcoin address to which I can express my appreciation for your help
150 2010-11-25 01:47:08 <MT`AwAy> oh :p
151 2010-11-25 01:47:09 <tylergillies> whats the difference between multiple miners talking to a single daemon and just runnning multiple daemons?
152 2010-11-25 01:47:24 <brocktice> tylergillies, if they're using multiple daemons they can compete
153 2010-11-25 01:47:42 <MT`AwAy> brocktice: 1CSKtRCzoa1hJbpZ1TXdDwdVW8PX4hZatV for example :)
154 2010-11-25 01:47:43 <brocktice> if they're sharing one then getwork will give them different stuff to work on, though I may be misunderstanding
155 2010-11-25 01:48:08 <tylergillies> brocktice: oh gotcha, makes sense, even if you might be wrong ;)
156 2010-11-25 01:48:25 <kermit> tcatm: also if you're using more than 1024 descriptors, maybe look into setrlimit
157 2010-11-25 01:48:37 <brocktice> tylergillies, Also, it's one less bitcoin daemon to manage
158 2010-11-25 01:52:12 <brocktice> I love it when I get these emails: http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/7010/mineremail.png
159 2010-11-25 01:53:04 <MT`AwAy> :p
160 2010-11-25 01:53:18 <tcatm> my spamfilter would trigger :)
161 2010-11-25 01:55:03 <brocktice> tcatm, I have a special sieve filter that drops that right in my high-priority folder
162 2010-11-25 01:55:12 <brocktice> my phone also beeps to let me know :)
163 2010-11-25 01:55:51 <tcatm> i check once a day how many blocks my miners found
164 2010-11-25 01:56:17 <brocktice> I've had a few breakdowns so I'm neurotic about it
165 2010-11-25 01:56:31 <brocktice> I also have temperature, load, process, and pump speed monitors that'll email me if they go awry
166 2010-11-25 01:56:34 <brocktice> brb
167 2010-11-25 02:02:40 <tcatm> okay, polling is now working. let's see if it runs into other limits
168 2010-11-25 02:04:55 <tcatm> seems to work. i can trace transactions
169 2010-11-25 02:05:00 <brocktice> once the hardware is paid off I'll be less neurotic about it
170 2010-11-25 02:05:32 <tcatm> i've got about 100% profit from mining now
171 2010-11-25 02:05:51 <brocktice> yeah the price will have to go pretty low after the hardware is paid off for it not to be profitable
172 2010-11-25 02:05:56 <brocktice> or the difficulty much much higher
173 2010-11-25 02:06:51 <tcatm> yes. though current price/difficulty is not friendly to new miners
174 2010-11-25 02:06:59 <brocktice> yep
175 2010-11-25 02:07:04 <brocktice> I think I got in toward the end of that
176 2010-11-25 02:07:14 <brocktice> so I hope it stabilizes :)
177 2010-11-25 02:07:15 <tcatm> i wouldn't invest any further
178 2010-11-25 02:07:17 dwdollar3 has joined
179 2010-11-25 02:07:35 <brocktice> tcatm, I got a couple of 5770s for my workstation for eyefinity, realized the first wouldn't work the day it arrived so I ordered a second
180 2010-11-25 02:07:41 <brocktice> (with 5 ports)
181 2010-11-25 02:07:54 <brocktice> I figured rather than return the first one I'd use it to mine too
182 2010-11-25 02:07:57 <tcatm> i hope to rip one hd 5870 from my miners one day to use in my workstation
183 2010-11-25 02:08:01 <brocktice> but it wasn't an intentional additional investment.
184 2010-11-25 02:08:27 <brocktice> I had been driving 4 displays from 2 nvidia cards but I couldn't use compiz and I had to use fakeXinerema
185 2010-11-25 02:08:39 <brocktice> I figured out an eyefinity 5 or 6 card would let me have it all
186 2010-11-25 02:08:44 <brocktice> plus I could mine with it
187 2010-11-25 02:08:45 <brocktice> so, bought
188 2010-11-25 02:09:06 <tcatm> i bought them only for mining
189 2010-11-25 02:09:16 <brocktice> tcatm, what're you running now?
190 2010-11-25 02:09:26 <tcatm> 3x 5870 + 2x 5970
191 2010-11-25 02:09:49 <brocktice> cool, 2 boxes I take it?
192 2010-11-25 02:09:58 bost_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
193 2010-11-25 02:10:07 <tcatm> yup
194 2010-11-25 02:10:15 <brocktice> prices have come down quite a bit in anticipation of the 6990 announcement
195 2010-11-25 02:10:17 <tcatm> 2x 5970 has 23 days uptime
196 2010-11-25 02:10:25 <brocktice> you can now get a 5970 for $480 with rebate.
197 2010-11-25 02:10:34 <brocktice> I paid $550 each the prior week :(
198 2010-11-25 02:10:39 ColonelPanic2 has joined
199 2010-11-25 02:10:41 <tcatm> 5870 9 days (hmm i didn't even notice a reboot?!)
200 2010-11-25 02:11:01 Toadyonps3 has quit (Quit: "If a tree falls in a forest, and it lands on Bill Gates, who wouldn't celebrate?)
201 2010-11-25 02:11:09 jgarzik has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
202 2010-11-25 02:11:13 <brocktice> so you have the 5970s in one and the 5870s in the other?
203 2010-11-25 02:11:21 <tcatm> yep
204 2010-11-25 02:11:37 <tcatm> 5970 need space for airflow
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206 2010-11-25 02:11:47 <brocktice> yeah
207 2010-11-25 02:11:59 <brocktice> or waterflow :)
208 2010-11-25 02:12:18 <tcatm> i was considering watercooling, too
209 2010-11-25 02:12:34 <brocktice> If I upgrade my PSU I can probably fit in 3 with water
210 2010-11-25 02:12:36 <tcatm> then i tested with one 5970 and figured aircooling would work well
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212 2010-11-25 02:12:52 <brocktice> my stupid motherboard has awful slot placement so one was always overheating
213 2010-11-25 02:13:03 <MT`AwAy> brocktice: thanks btw!
214 2010-11-25 02:13:09 <brocktice> I should have thought of that before buying it, but there are so many variables it's not surprising I missed it
215 2010-11-25 02:13:16 <brocktice> MT`AwAy, no problem, thanks for the help
216 2010-11-25 02:13:17 <tcatm> i'm around 70..80 °C depending on weather conditions :)
217 2010-11-25 02:13:38 <brocktice> mine currently range from 45.5 to 52.5
218 2010-11-25 02:13:50 <brocktice> If I turn the fans down to 'normal' noise levels it's 52-58
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220 2010-11-25 02:15:40 <ArtForz> anything below the glass point of the underfill should be fine for pretty much forever
221 2010-11-25 02:15:56 <brocktice> ArtForz, yeah I have to measure for those direct connects
222 2010-11-25 02:16:09 <brocktice> If I can pull off three cards in a row I'm sure the rad can handle it
223 2010-11-25 02:16:10 <tcatm> i don't expect them to survive mining for years
224 2010-11-25 02:16:22 <ArtForz> and afair AMD uses 95°C underfill
225 2010-11-25 02:17:29 <brocktice> Art, yours run at, what, around 70?
226 2010-11-25 02:17:54 <ArtForz> depends on air temp, usually somewhere between 75 and 80
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228 2010-11-25 02:18:35 <brocktice> and 910 MHz?
229 2010-11-25 02:18:39 <ArtForz> yep
230 2010-11-25 02:20:36 * tcatm waits for a TX
231 2010-11-25 02:21:00 <ArtForz> there seems to be something a bit wrong
232 2010-11-25 02:21:03 <brocktice> There's been sporadic tx spamming right?
233 2010-11-25 02:21:06 <brocktice> ArtForz, with what?
234 2010-11-25 02:21:16 <ArtForz> not sure yet, either my client or the overall network
235 2010-11-25 02:21:21 <ArtForz> getdatas take AGES to return
236 2010-11-25 02:21:50 <tcatm> i just hacked a client that connects to >500 nodes
237 2010-11-25 02:21:59 <tcatm> but that shouldn't cause problems
238 2010-11-25 02:22:11 <ArtForz> nope
239 2010-11-25 02:22:21 ColonelPanic2 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
240 2010-11-25 02:22:47 <ArtForz> you know, the usual got inv x, asking for x..., getdata x, got tx/block x
241 2010-11-25 02:22:49 ColonelPanic1 has joined
242 2010-11-25 02:23:36 <tcatm> is 76a914e3ebb3583e1904a814a07d349a61c245f0c5656a88ac a spam address?
243 2010-11-25 02:24:35 <ArtForz> 11/25/2010 02:15:10 received: inv (37 bytes)
244 2010-11-25 02:24:35 <ArtForz> got inventory: tx 654771262e994a95a84b new
245 2010-11-25 02:24:35 <ArtForz> askfor tx 654771262e994a95a84b 0
246 2010-11-25 02:24:35 <ArtForz> sending getdata: tx 654771262e994a95a84b
247 2010-11-25 02:24:44 <ArtForz> 11/25/2010 02:16:17 received: tx (258 bytes)
248 2010-11-25 02:24:45 <ArtForz> AcceptToMemoryPool(): accepted 654771262e
249 2010-11-25 02:25:12 <ArtForz> 77 seconds from getdata to response ...
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251 2010-11-25 02:27:14 <theymos> BBE now has short links for transaction, block, and address pages. Example: https://blockexplorer.com/b/91385 . What do you think about the way I'm styling these links on the pages?
252 2010-11-25 02:27:58 <brocktice> theymos, with the hashes you mean?
253 2010-11-25 02:28:12 <tcatm> theymos: connection timeout :/
254 2010-11-25 02:28:33 ColonelPanic1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
255 2010-11-25 02:28:37 <theymos> brocktice: I mean the "Short link: https://blockexplorer.com/b/91385" text.
256 2010-11-25 02:29:18 <brocktice> Why not just make the Block 91385 the link?
257 2010-11-25 02:29:25 <brocktice> Also, why does everything have a question mark after it?
258 2010-11-25 02:29:25 kingdon has joined
259 2010-11-25 02:29:29 <tcatm> it looks bit lost
260 2010-11-25 02:29:35 ColonelPanic1 has joined
261 2010-11-25 02:29:50 <theymos> The question marks produce help text when you hover your mouse cursor over them.
262 2010-11-25 02:30:03 <brocktice> oh
263 2010-11-25 02:30:06 <brocktice> so they do
264 2010-11-25 02:30:06 <theymos> tcatm: Are you still getting that error?
265 2010-11-25 02:30:16 <brocktice> that's not super intuitive
266 2010-11-25 02:30:26 <theymos> I should probably underline them or something.
267 2010-11-25 02:30:47 <tcatm> theymos: sometimes. maybe my connection is a bit overloaded
268 2010-11-25 02:31:18 <tcatm> i'd make the blocknumber the link i.e. <h1>Block <a>1234</a></h1>
269 2010-11-25 02:31:43 <brocktice> I like that
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271 2010-11-25 02:32:18 <theymos> Then people would have to 'right click->copy link' to get the short link. Hardly anyone would notice the feature.
272 2010-11-25 02:33:01 <tcatm> you could rewrite the url in the addressbar to be the short link
273 2010-11-25 02:34:36 <tcatm> especially as the url already looks pretty clean. i don't think many people would even look for a shorter link before copy&pasting the url from the addressbar
274 2010-11-25 02:36:09 <theymos> The real links are long to avoid any possible ambiguity, and also to make automatic processing easier.
275 2010-11-25 02:36:52 <tcatm> aren't blocknumbers unique?
276 2010-11-25 02:37:02 <theymos> They can be replaced.
277 2010-11-25 02:37:29 <ArtForz> tcatm: if you still have that well-connected client online, can you monitor inv (= tx/block) spread?
278 2010-11-25 02:38:16 <tcatm> ArtForz: i only monitor transactions, their first appearance and timestamp
279 2010-11-25 02:38:27 <ArtForz> as it looks like txs/blocks are spreading a lot slower than they should
280 2010-11-25 02:38:52 <tcatm> how would i monitor that tx/block spread?
281 2010-11-25 02:39:00 <ArtForz> incoming inv messages
282 2010-11-25 02:40:10 <tcatm> i'll try to hack it to do that (it's based on your half client)
283 2010-11-25 02:40:13 <ArtForz> normally when a tx/block spreads the time between the first peer saying inv(somehash) and the rest of em doing the same is pretty low
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285 2010-11-25 02:40:26 <ArtForz> usually a few seconds at most
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287 2010-11-25 02:40:51 <ArtForz> currently it looks more like 60-80 seconds
288 2010-11-25 02:40:57 <tcatm> ah so you want to measure the time between first and last broadcast of a tx?
289 2010-11-25 02:41:02 <ArtForz> kinda
290 2010-11-25 02:41:16 <ArtForz> rememebr peers broadcast a inv/txhash) when they get a tx
291 2010-11-25 02:41:27 <ArtForz> so when you look for incoming invs you can time when each peer got that tx
292 2010-11-25 02:41:36 <ArtForz> same for blocks
293 2010-11-25 02:41:43 <tcatm> yes that's what i'm doing to find the origin of TXs
294 2010-11-25 02:41:53 <ArtForz> yep
295 2010-11-25 02:42:14 <tcatm> found 3 IPs where most of them originate
296 2010-11-25 02:42:16 <ArtForz> and normally the time between the first peer getting it and the majority of em getting it is pretty damn small
297 2010-11-25 02:43:07 <ArtForz> and currently that time looks to be in the 1min+ range
298 2010-11-25 02:43:46 <ArtForz> I suspect something in inv or tx cache handling is scaling at O(n**2)
299 2010-11-25 02:44:02 <tcatm> i'll try to get that value
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301 2010-11-25 02:46:59 <tcatm> http://pastebin.com/0RteirNq the top IPs might be the spammer or are close to him
302 2010-11-25 02:48:38 <brocktice> ArtForz, are you seeing a hit to your mining rate?
303 2010-11-25 02:49:20 <ArtForz> nope
304 2010-11-25 02:50:33 xelister has joined
305 2010-11-25 02:50:48 <xelister> how nice, my PSU doesnt fit my 5970.
306 2010-11-25 02:50:55 <ArtForz> huh?
307 2010-11-25 02:50:56 * xelister ^&@$@!**$&
308 2010-11-25 02:51:13 <brocktice> 'fit'?
309 2010-11-25 02:51:23 <xelister> well 5970 needs a 6 pin AND an 8 pit power, right?
310 2010-11-25 02:51:26 <ArtForz> yep
311 2010-11-25 02:51:51 <xelister> since 5970 is so incredibly long (taking every milimeter of space allowed by AT specs I presume)
312 2010-11-25 02:51:57 <ArtForz> nope
313 2010-11-25 02:51:59 <xelister> and has the power input on the end
314 2010-11-25 02:52:11 <ArtForz> it's actually about 0.5" shorter then what PCIe spec allows
315 2010-11-25 02:52:37 <xelister> and CPU power is on the other side of mainboard, and distance between this blackwhite cable (12 V?) 6 pin and 8 pin are like 8 cm instead of needed 12
316 2010-11-25 02:52:40 theymos has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
317 2010-11-25 02:52:45 <xelister> I can connect either the GPU or the CPU, not both :]
318 2010-11-25 02:53:16 <ArtForz> imo they should've gone full length and added the standard holes for a PCI retention thingie
319 2010-11-25 02:53:22 <brocktice> you need an extension cord
320 2010-11-25 02:53:25 <ArtForz> yep
321 2010-11-25 02:53:38 <xelister> how this is named?
322 2010-11-25 02:53:38 <brocktice> didn't the 5970 come with a 4pin molex->6+8 or something?
323 2010-11-25 02:53:47 <xelister> even wikipedia doesnt have article on PEG connector
324 2010-11-25 02:53:51 <tcatm> average tx spread in seconds = 1754.25988874
325 2010-11-25 02:53:53 <ArtForz> PEG?
326 2010-11-25 02:54:11 <tcatm> not really sure if i calculated that correctly
327 2010-11-25 02:54:15 <xelister> the blackwhite cables from PSU, 6 and 8 pins, they are 12 V, right?
328 2010-11-25 02:54:38 <xelister> what is technical name for this connector type, that 6 and 8 pin power
329 2010-11-25 02:54:53 <ArtForz> theres 2 kinds of 8 pin power
330 2010-11-25 02:54:58 <brocktice> pci-e?
331 2010-11-25 02:55:05 <ArtForz> EPS12V (the extended ATX 12V) and PCIe 8-pin
332 2010-11-25 02:55:16 <xelister> one cable has 6 and 8 and is black-and-white
333 2010-11-25 02:55:33 <xelister> no, wrong
334 2010-11-25 02:55:36 <brocktice> if it has 6 and 8 it's pci-e
335 2010-11-25 02:55:39 <tcatm> 122.794999997 seconds
336 2010-11-25 02:55:42 <ArtForz> yep
337 2010-11-25 02:55:44 <ArtForz> or 6+2
338 2010-11-25 02:55:52 <xelister> one is black and yellow, it powers CPU by 4 pin and has 8 pin also - this one was too short
339 2010-11-25 02:56:03 <xelister> ^--- that one is named..? ESP12V ?
340 2010-11-25 02:56:11 <ArtForz> probbaly
341 2010-11-25 02:56:43 <ArtForz> if it's on a cable with the ATX12V (4-pin), it's usually a EPS12V
342 2010-11-25 02:57:19 <ArtForz> http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnectors/connectors.html
343 2010-11-25 02:57:54 <brocktice> does anyone know offhand the command-line utility in RHEL or CentOS that lets you pick package groups?
344 2010-11-25 02:58:48 <ArtForz> notice which "pins" are rounded on EPS12V and PCIe 8-pin
345 2010-11-25 02:59:34 <brocktice> ah, grouplist/groupinstall
346 2010-11-25 03:00:24 <ArtForz> of course if you have black+yellow gnd/12v it's easy as hell to tell em apart, eps12v has 12v on clip side row, PCIe has GND on clip side
347 2010-11-25 03:00:43 <brocktice> ArtForz, my motherboard had a cap on half the pins on the eps12v connector
348 2010-11-25 03:00:49 <brocktice> but I took it off and plugged in the whole thing
349 2010-11-25 03:00:52 <brocktice> do you know what that's about?
350 2010-11-25 03:00:55 <ArtForz> yeah, so did mine
351 2010-11-25 03:01:06 <ArtForz> I have no clue whats the point of that
352 2010-11-25 03:01:09 <brocktice> nothing at all about it in the manual
353 2010-11-25 03:01:38 <ArtForz> maybe so it doesn't look like a unused receptable when you only have a ATX12V
354 2010-11-25 03:01:38 <brocktice> hm this is odd
355 2010-11-25 03:01:51 <brocktice> I have transactions that have not been confirmed since 30 minutes ago
356 2010-11-25 03:01:54 <brocktice> no block?
357 2010-11-25 03:02:17 <brocktice> hurdd noy
358 2010-11-25 03:02:21 <brocktice> whoa misalignment
359 2010-11-25 03:02:23 <brocktice> guess not
360 2010-11-25 03:03:23 <ArtForz> bbiab, seeing if I can resurrect my dead 850W PSU
361 2010-11-25 03:03:29 <brocktice> good luck!
362 2010-11-25 03:05:14 <tcatm> i wonder why i can't connect to more than ~600 nodes
363 2010-11-25 03:05:27 <kermit> tcatm: did you see setrlimit?
364 2010-11-25 03:05:36 <kermit> tcatm: the default limit of file descriptors is 1024
365 2010-11-25 03:05:38 <tcatm> yes
366 2010-11-25 03:05:51 <tcatm> i would get an error if i opened more than 1024 FDs
367 2010-11-25 03:05:53 <anarchy_> ;;bc,stats
368 2010-11-25 03:05:55 <gribble> Current Blocks: 93681 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94752 | Next Difficulty In: 1071 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 4 hours, 20 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 7111.99690744
369 2010-11-25 03:06:05 <brocktice> up up
370 2010-11-25 03:06:10 <brocktice> just a little this time
371 2010-11-25 03:06:18 <kermit> tcatm: if you're behind NAT, your router might not be able to keep track of that many connections.
372 2010-11-25 03:06:29 <brocktice> oh yeah, check the limit
373 2010-11-25 03:06:35 <brocktice> if you have the option
374 2010-11-25 03:08:05 <brocktice> Merchants should really be all over bitcoins
375 2010-11-25 03:08:08 <tcatm> mhm don't know if i can even check that
376 2010-11-25 03:08:20 <brocktice> Instant, no tx fees (or very small), no chargebacks
377 2010-11-25 03:08:41 <brocktice> tcatm, I know DD-WRT lets you set it
378 2010-11-25 03:09:26 <brocktice> ah finally someone found 93681
379 2010-11-25 03:09:38 <tcatm> it's not running dd-wrt
380 2010-11-25 03:09:57 <brocktice> sadly :)
381 2010-11-25 03:14:42 <ColonelPanic1> 1) upgrade kernel 2) get 1/2 the Mhash/s as before
382 2010-11-25 03:14:44 <tcatm> do nodes broadcast TX multiple times?
383 2010-11-25 03:16:09 <brocktice> ColonelPanic1, which distro/colonel?
384 2010-11-25 03:16:19 <ColonelPanic1> ubuntu 10.10
385 2010-11-25 03:16:38 <brocktice> that's pretty severe
386 2010-11-25 03:17:05 <ColonelPanic1> last night I had 100Mhash/s now I have 30-50Mhash/s and that is the only change I've made
387 2010-11-25 03:17:27 <MT`AwAy> 30~50Mhash/s that's what I do with my cpu
388 2010-11-25 03:17:40 <AAA_awright> Kill the nice level
389 2010-11-25 03:18:19 <AAA_awright> ;;bc,stats
390 2010-11-25 03:18:22 <gribble> Current Blocks: 93682 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94752 | Next Difficulty In: 1070 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 4 hours, 22 minutes, and 9 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 7104.49020634
391 2010-11-25 03:18:36 <AAA_awright> "1 week, 0 days, 4 hours, 22 minutes, and 9 seconds" That's what we call "comic precision"
392 2010-11-25 03:19:25 <ColonelPanic1> AAA_awright: it's nice was at 0
393 2010-11-25 03:19:39 <brocktice> ColonelPanic1, what hardware?
394 2010-11-25 03:19:40 <AAA_awright> ColonelPanic1: NEGATIVE 20!
395 2010-11-25 03:19:50 <brocktice> yah -20 if you're serious, yo
396 2010-11-25 03:20:05 <AAA_awright> Just don't be suprised when you can't even type in your IRC client
397 2010-11-25 03:20:08 <ColonelPanic1> it doesn't make a bit of difference
398 2010-11-25 03:20:10 <ColonelPanic1> the balls are inert
399 2010-11-25 03:20:17 <ColonelPanic1> irc client is on another computer
400 2010-11-25 03:20:29 <ColonelPanic1> brocktice: radeon 5850 mobile
401 2010-11-25 03:20:42 <brocktice> ColonelPanic1, hm, and you're sure it was just the kernel?
402 2010-11-25 03:20:55 <ColonelPanic1> I didn't change anything else between then and now
403 2010-11-25 03:21:02 dwdollar3 is now known as dwdollar
404 2010-11-25 03:21:03 <ColonelPanic1> I just did homework on it
405 2010-11-25 03:23:09 <ColonelPanic1> im gonna switch back to the old kernel and see how it does
406 2010-11-25 03:29:17 ColonelPanic2 has joined
407 2010-11-25 03:30:20 <ColonelPanic2> MT`AwAy: what miner are you using for you CPU?
408 2010-11-25 03:31:17 ColonelPanic1 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
409 2010-11-25 03:32:08 ColonelPanic2 is now known as ColonelPanic1
410 2010-11-25 03:45:03 <jgarzik> tcatm: yes, nodes broadcast TX's multiple times
411 2010-11-25 03:49:12 jgarzik has quit (Changing host)
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413 2010-11-25 03:55:08 <ColonelPanic1> still mines just as slow on the older kernel
414 2010-11-25 03:55:10 <ColonelPanic1> wtf happened
415 2010-11-25 04:00:25 Toadyonps3 has quit (Quit: "If a tree falls in a forest, and it lands on Bill Gates, who wouldn't celebrate?)
416 2010-11-25 04:01:45 remmy has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
417 2010-11-25 04:04:26 <ColonelPanic1> the fans don't even turn on, now
418 2010-11-25 04:07:24 <Kiba> http://ubitio.us/file/download/19
419 2010-11-25 04:07:30 <Kiba> Download!
420 2010-11-25 04:07:59 <ColonelPanic1> pass
421 2010-11-25 04:10:21 <nanotube> nameless|: while you're at it... update the topic for v .15 ? :)
422 2010-11-25 04:10:46 <ColonelPanic1> I really wish I could figure out why my hashing has been cut in half
423 2010-11-25 04:11:14 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|I suppose the link needs updated too doesn't it?
424 2010-11-25 04:11:15 <davex__> run on an encrypted partition?
425 2010-11-25 04:11:28 <nanotube> nameless|: i suppose so. :)
426 2010-11-25 04:12:37 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|nanotube: Just PM me if you need the topic updated. I notice it faster than checking for myself :p
427 2010-11-25 04:13:34 <nanotube> nameless|: ok, sounds good. will do. :) or you could give me op and i can do it myself :P
428 2010-11-25 04:13:59 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|oh right
429 2010-11-25 04:14:05 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|freenode doesn't support halfop
430 2010-11-25 04:14:09 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|as +h
431 2010-11-25 04:14:43 <nanotube> yea guess not. well you don't have to give me op if you don't trust me ;)
432 2010-11-25 04:15:06 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|I don't know you
433 2010-11-25 04:15:17 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|So, I don't really trust you :p
434 2010-11-25 04:15:29 <nanotube> mmm... you can check out my trust rating on the wot. see ,,(whatis #bitcoin-otc wot)
435 2010-11-25 04:15:30 <gribble> OTC web of trust rating system: http://trust.bitcoin-otc.com/
436 2010-11-25 04:16:25 <Kiba> nanotube: you get paid in bitcoins for ads?
437 2010-11-25 04:16:51 <nanotube> Kiba: yes
438 2010-11-25 04:19:43 <ColonelPanic1> oh fucking alienware, the "stealth mode" feature was enabled
439 2010-11-25 04:23:14 <nanotube> ColonelPanic1: what is that?
440 2010-11-25 04:26:51 <Kiba> nanotube: check out my art yet?
441 2010-11-25 04:27:33 <nanotube> Kiba: nope, i'm not really into art. ...
442 2010-11-25 04:30:57 <Kiba> :*(
443 2010-11-25 04:31:15 <Kiba> look like, I'll just break even with my investment
444 2010-11-25 04:39:59 Diablo-D3 has joined
445 2010-11-25 04:44:23 <ArtForz> hehehe
446 2010-11-25 04:44:27 <ArtForz> that PSU works again
447 2010-11-25 04:45:21 <ArtForz> havent yet done a full load test with scope traces, but input/output power looks ok
448 2010-11-25 04:46:16 <ArtForz> +12V drops from 12.2 @ idle to 11.9 @ 750W load
449 2010-11-25 04:46:49 <ArtForz> so unless I missed a few blown caps it should be ok
450 2010-11-25 04:48:27 <Kiba> finally, my transaction is getting through...
451 2010-11-25 04:51:34 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: lolwhat
452 2010-11-25 04:52:05 <ArtForz> rememeber theat 850W PSU where I blew up the 12V rectifiers?
453 2010-11-25 04:52:24 <Kiba> tommorow...
454 2010-11-25 04:52:30 <Kiba> I am going to upload a special art piece
455 2010-11-25 04:52:36 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: yes, but why fix it?
456 2010-11-25 04:52:43 <Kiba> a protrait of F.A Hayek.
457 2010-11-25 04:52:46 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: a week of mining for you can fix it
458 2010-11-25 04:52:49 <ArtForz> parts total = $1.80
459 2010-11-25 04:53:49 asa has joined
460 2010-11-25 04:54:01 <ArtForz> not to mention fixing stuff is fun
461 2010-11-25 05:00:14 asa has left ()
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465 2010-11-25 05:45:59 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: erm, how fast is a 4870?
466 2010-11-25 05:46:21 <ArtForz> 1.2x 4850
467 2010-11-25 05:46:34 <Diablo-D3> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1721.msg24138#msg24138
468 2010-11-25 05:47:08 <ArtForz> soudns like something is going wrong
469 2010-11-25 05:47:21 <Diablo-D3> I agree.
470 2010-11-25 05:47:33 <ArtForz> theoretical peak is 94.4
471 2010-11-25 05:52:08 ionhand has joined
472 2010-11-25 05:53:14 <Diablo-D3> so I wonder what broke
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476 2010-11-25 06:46:06 <LobsterMan> is there any kind of transaction spam going on at all?
477 2010-11-25 06:46:10 <LobsterMan> my shit is spiking again
478 2010-11-25 06:46:26 <LobsterMan> and hashrate drops
479 2010-11-25 06:47:08 <ByteCoin> Yeah it looks like it's continuing.
480 2010-11-25 06:47:22 <ByteCoin> Don't see why it would affect your hashrate though...
481 2010-11-25 06:47:26 <LobsterMan> me either.....
482 2010-11-25 06:47:36 <LobsterMan> i'm using a client built from r...186?
483 2010-11-25 06:47:39 <jgarzik> LobsterMan: according to http://blockexplorer.com/ there is spam
484 2010-11-25 06:48:21 <jgarzik> ByteCoin: well, if your algorithm interrupts itself upon arrival of a new TX, to obtain more work, that would affect overall hashrate due to increased 'getwork' interruptions
485 2010-11-25 06:48:42 <ByteCoin> Shouldn't really be significant
486 2010-11-25 06:48:55 <LobsterMan> the dips in temperature coincide with a drop in gpu hashrate
487 2010-11-25 06:48:55 <LobsterMan> http://imgur.com/evL48.png
488 2010-11-25 06:49:47 <ByteCoin> Ok. If the getwork interruption takes a significant amount of time and the cards go idle then yes
489 2010-11-25 06:50:17 <ByteCoin> You really only need to update the jobs the card is working on when the new getwork has completed
490 2010-11-25 06:50:35 <ByteCoin> If you find a winning hash based on slightly old work it's still fine
491 2010-11-25 06:50:43 <ByteCoin> You have to check your implementation
492 2010-11-25 06:51:07 <LobsterMan> i'm still just using m0mchil's miner
493 2010-11-25 06:51:09 <jgarzik> correct. but it is easier for single-threaded code to "while (1) { getwork; work for a while; }"
494 2010-11-25 06:51:20 <Kiba> BMAA members, time to vote...
495 2010-11-25 06:51:22 <Kiba> http://fivegrinder.com/group/Bitcoin%20Mutual%20Aid%20Association/Bounty%20for%20Association%20Site
496 2010-11-25 06:51:27 <jgarzik> I think that's what momchil's miner does; that's what my stupid-simple CPU miner does.
497 2010-11-25 06:51:48 <jgarzik> tcatm was complaining about the work interrupt, idling cards while getwork'ing
498 2010-11-25 06:52:12 <ByteCoin> Ok. Thx for that. Not familiar with implementations....
499 2010-11-25 06:52:56 <ByteCoin> Can someone zip up their blk001.dat file and make it available to me. I have a theory I want to test...
500 2010-11-25 06:53:00 <ByteCoin> please?
501 2010-11-25 06:53:41 <LobsterMan> what's contained in that file?
502 2010-11-25 06:53:49 <ByteCoin> It's the block list
503 2010-11-25 06:53:49 <nanotube> that's the blockchain
504 2010-11-25 06:54:42 <LobsterMan> would sharing my copy be compromising my identity or security or anything?
505 2010-11-25 06:55:12 <ByteCoin> Well perhaps you guys would know the answer to the the basic question. Does everyone have the same blk001.dat?
506 2010-11-25 06:55:31 <ByteCoin> LobsterMan: Not really.
507 2010-11-25 06:55:34 <nanotube> afaik, the only thing that you should keep secure is the wallet.dat, LobsterMan . but best see if jgarzik agrees with that assessment. :)
508 2010-11-25 06:55:54 <nanotube> ByteCoin: besides possibility of network lag in latest block distribution... i think it should be the same.
509 2010-11-25 06:56:01 <ByteCoin> I bet people have different orphan blocks.
510 2010-11-25 06:57:44 <nanotube> are orphan blocks even kept in the .blk file? i'd have thought they get discarded once the branches are clearly orphan
511 2010-11-25 06:57:58 <ByteCoin> Nope
512 2010-11-25 06:58:48 <ByteCoin> There's no provision AFAIK for removing stuff from the blk001.dat file
513 2010-11-25 06:59:36 <LobsterMan> mine's about 50mb
514 2010-11-25 06:59:47 <LobsterMan> 51.6 MB (54,142,241 bytes)
515 2010-11-25 07:02:38 <jgarzik> the more interesting question is whether or not all platforms (windows, linux, 32-bit, 64-bit) have compatible blk0001.dat files?
516 2010-11-25 07:02:46 <LobsterMan> heh
517 2010-11-25 07:03:02 * jgarzik wants to see blk0001.dat for blocks 1-74000 distributed with the client.
518 2010-11-25 07:03:23 <yebyen> pffffft
519 2010-11-25 07:03:26 <yebyen> what about -testnet?
520 2010-11-25 07:03:35 <yebyen> there are plenty of reasons to want a bare client
521 2010-11-25 07:03:48 <yebyen> i've had 4 nodes generating for days and i haven't got a single solution
522 2010-11-25 07:04:19 <yebyen> your blockchain is invalid :D
523 2010-11-25 07:04:29 <jgarzik> 'rm blk0001.dat' is not difficult, if you want a bare client. Novice users suffer through pointless slow download upon first usage.
524 2010-11-25 07:04:48 <LobsterMan> it should maybe be available if people want it
525 2010-11-25 07:04:51 <ByteCoin> jgarzik: They appear to be compatible.
526 2010-11-25 07:04:53 <LobsterMan> but not dstributed by default
527 2010-11-25 07:04:57 <jgarzik> it should not take 30 minutes to use shiny new software, in year 2010.
528 2010-11-25 07:05:23 <ByteCoin> jgarzik: Balance sheets for the win!
529 2010-11-25 07:05:42 <jgarzik> ByteCoin: the serialization code for CBlock should be the same on all platforms...
530 2010-11-25 07:05:46 <jgarzik> otherwise network wouldn't work
531 2010-11-25 07:06:00 <ArtForz> blk0001 seems to be identical between 32/64 bit and windows/linux
532 2010-11-25 07:06:15 <ArtForz> blkindex.dat ... not so much
533 2010-11-25 07:06:15 <ByteCoin> Not sure what you're driving at in your recent remark jgarzik....
534 2010-11-25 07:07:12 <ArtForz> we'd need to add code to reinit blkindex from a existing blk0001.dat
535 2010-11-25 07:07:29 <jgarzik> ByteCoin: bitcoin encodes a C++ data structure, CBlock, into a serialized byte stream for either network or disk storage. it stands to reason that the blk0001.dat would be the same on all platforms for that reason, but I've never personally verified this.
536 2010-11-25 07:07:45 <ArtForz> I did, it is identical
537 2010-11-25 07:08:15 <ByteCoin> As I mentioned jgarzik, it appears to be compatible at least between a 32bit ubuntu install and 32 bit win32
538 2010-11-25 07:08:30 <jgarzik> sounds confirmed, then :)
539 2010-11-25 07:08:35 <ArtForz> I compared 64 bit linux, 32 bit linux and 32 bit windows
540 2010-11-25 07:08:55 <ArtForz> blk0001 is just serialized blocks and perfectly portable
541 2010-11-25 07:09:07 <jgarzik> next question: given a blk0001.dat and no index, will bitcoin properly rebuild index & verify block chain?
542 2010-11-25 07:09:08 <ArtForz> blkindex is a bdb and ... not so portable
543 2010-11-25 07:09:11 <ArtForz> nope
544 2010-11-25 07:09:18 <ByteCoin> Artforz: Could I have a zipped blk001.dat from your longest running fast miner? I'm studying orphan blocks.
545 2010-11-25 07:09:37 <sneak> hi guys
546 2010-11-25 07:09:37 * jgarzik was hoping to ship blk0001.dat w/out index, in release tarball
547 2010-11-25 07:09:59 <sneak> ArtForz: how goes the farm
548 2010-11-25 07:10:18 <ArtForz> it's happily farming away
549 2010-11-25 07:10:31 <sneak> so's my 1x 5970 :)
550 2010-11-25 07:11:34 <ArtForz> ewww
551 2010-11-25 07:11:43 <jgarzik> with the right setting, bdb databases are portable.
552 2010-11-25 07:11:45 <ArtForz> even 7zipped blk0001 is 34MB
553 2010-11-25 07:12:27 <jgarzik> default bdb is non-portable, native endian. but it does have a fixed endian, portable setting.
554 2010-11-25 07:12:54 <ArtForz> its not a endianess issue, looks more like a 32/64 issue
555 2010-11-25 07:13:07 <ByteCoin> Artforz: Well all i'd need is the orphan blocks... Can you strip them out?
556 2010-11-25 07:13:11 <jgarzik> inherent to bdb? or bitcoin?
557 2010-11-25 07:13:26 <ArtForz> ByteCoin: should be able to, sec
558 2010-11-25 07:13:32 <ByteCoin> I suppose you could start a new client and download the blockchain then do a diff..
559 2010-11-25 07:13:41 <ArtForz> probably to the bdb settings bitcoin uses
560 2010-11-25 07:13:58 <ArtForz> I already have python code to parse the block chain and find the main chain
561 2010-11-25 07:14:33 <ArtForz> just need to add code so it writes any block not in the main chain to a new file in the order they appear in blk0001
562 2010-11-25 07:14:35 <ByteCoin> Artforz: Be carefull as I have instances where the branches are a couple of nodes long
563 2010-11-25 07:14:46 <ArtForz> so?
564 2010-11-25 07:14:48 <ByteCoin> The naive method is not reliable
565 2010-11-25 07:15:02 <ArtForz> I do the same sum-of-difficulty calc as mainline does
566 2010-11-25 07:15:38 <ByteCoin> Naive method being orphan blocks=blocks whose hashes don'e appear in the list of previous hashes
567 2010-11-25 07:15:44 <ArtForz> huh?
568 2010-11-25 07:16:03 <ByteCoin> Nevermind...
569 2010-11-25 07:16:46 <ByteCoin> I was just saying that if the orphan blocks never had any children then you could find them on that basis
570 2010-11-25 07:17:10 <ByteCoin> It's not always true but it is the vast majority of the time
571 2010-11-25 07:17:23 <ArtForz> no
572 2010-11-25 07:17:31 <ArtForz> orphan blocks = blocks not in main chain
573 2010-11-25 07:17:59 <ArtForz> main chain = chain from genesis to block with highest cumulative difficulty
574 2010-11-25 07:26:19 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: so, I wonder why that guy is having issues
575 2010-11-25 07:26:30 Kiba has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
576 2010-11-25 07:26:34 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: whats the maximum global item size on 4xxx? 2^32?
577 2010-11-25 07:27:41 <ArtForz> less
578 2010-11-25 07:28:15 <Diablo-D3> rutrow
579 2010-11-25 07:28:17 <Diablo-D3> how less?
580 2010-11-25 07:28:31 <ArtForz> isnt there a opencl get_info something for that?
581 2010-11-25 07:28:43 <Diablo-D3> yes but afiak it just returns 2^32
582 2010-11-25 07:30:20 <ArtForz> http://www.sendspace.com/file/z3rcmh
583 2010-11-25 07:31:08 <Diablo-D3> jesus christ my miner rapes X
584 2010-11-25 07:31:23 <ByteCoin> You are a star ArtForz
585 2010-11-25 07:31:38 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: my hack has a side effect
586 2010-11-25 07:31:45 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: I now need to double the attempted fps
587 2010-11-25 07:32:03 <ArtForz> Diablo-D3: more workitems and less work per item = more X rapeage
588 2010-11-25 07:32:17 <Diablo-D3> yup
589 2010-11-25 07:32:25 <ArtForz> thats the main reason why I'm looping over nonces inside the kernel
590 2010-11-25 07:32:28 <Diablo-D3> but its now Im queuing two kernels in a row
591 2010-11-25 07:32:40 <Diablo-D3> so if I need -f 120, I now need -f 240
592 2010-11-25 07:32:46 <Diablo-D3> and its probably closer to -f 360 >_>
593 2010-11-25 07:32:58 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: also, I can't seem to get good ... per... fo..
594 2010-11-25 07:33:00 <Diablo-D3> oh hey
595 2010-11-25 07:33:10 <Diablo-D3> I never tested looping with the split kernel
596 2010-11-25 07:33:58 <Diablo-D3> I mean
597 2010-11-25 07:34:05 <Diablo-D3> I'm already getting 99.1% efficiency
598 2010-11-25 07:34:15 <ArtForz> which I still kinda doubt
599 2010-11-25 07:34:34 <Diablo-D3> so do I
600 2010-11-25 07:34:38 <Diablo-D3> but its _there_
601 2010-11-25 07:35:07 <OneFixt> is it possible to check temperature without having a monitor connected?
602 2010-11-25 07:35:21 <ArtForz> errr... yes?
603 2010-11-25 07:35:30 <ByteCoin> OneFixt: Stick your finger on it...
604 2010-11-25 07:36:20 <ArtForz> set DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY, aticonfig --adapter=all --odgt
605 2010-11-25 07:36:21 <Diablo-D3> OneFixt: aticonfig, duh
606 2010-11-25 07:36:37 <Diablo-D3> speaking of which
607 2010-11-25 07:36:39 <Diablo-D3> Adapter 0 - ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series
608 2010-11-25 07:36:39 <Diablo-D3> Sensor 0: Temperature - 67.50 C
609 2010-11-25 07:36:40 <Diablo-D3> ffff
610 2010-11-25 07:36:51 <Diablo-D3> Im going to cook my gpu at this rate
611 2010-11-25 07:36:56 <OneFixt> aticonfig needs X
612 2010-11-25 07:37:05 <ArtForz> errr, so?
613 2010-11-25 07:37:09 <ArtForz> opencl needs X
614 2010-11-25 07:37:14 <Diablo-D3> OneFixt: this is why you export DISPLAY=:0 first
615 2010-11-25 07:37:20 <OneFixt> sorry let me rephrase = can i do it through ssh?
616 2010-11-25 07:37:27 <Diablo-D3> OneFixt: it tells all further X using commands to use your local display server
617 2010-11-25 07:37:32 <Diablo-D3> instead of, say, ssh passthrough
618 2010-11-25 07:37:34 <ArtForz> <artforz> set DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY, aticonfig --adapter=all --odgt
619 2010-11-25 07:37:54 <OneFixt> hmm, let me try that
620 2010-11-25 07:38:05 * Diablo-D3 just facepalms
621 2010-11-25 07:38:06 <ArtForz> = EXACTLY THE SAME THING you do to run the miner via ssh
622 2010-11-25 07:38:08 <Diablo-D3> people sometimes >_>
623 2010-11-25 07:38:38 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: btw I dont think I have a problem
624 2010-11-25 07:38:55 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: max global work size on split mode is only 4194304
625 2010-11-25 07:39:37 <ArtForz> that shouldnt be a problem
626 2010-11-25 07:40:03 <Diablo-D3> yeah it shouldnt
627 2010-11-25 07:40:06 <Diablo-D3> so wtf is going on
628 2010-11-25 07:40:24 <Diablo-D3> hrm, I wonder if the max should be that minus 1
629 2010-11-25 07:40:41 <ArtForz> you ALWAYS want global work size a multiple of local work size
630 2010-11-25 07:40:49 <Diablo-D3> it is
631 2010-11-25 07:40:55 <Diablo-D3> unless
632 2010-11-25 07:40:56 <Diablo-D3> rutrow
633 2010-11-25 07:41:12 <Diablo-D3> wait no
634 2010-11-25 07:42:24 <OneFixt> ArtForz: Diablo-D3: it works fine when i have a monitor connected
635 2010-11-25 07:42:30 <OneFixt> but when i don't, it doesn't show the temps
636 2010-11-25 07:42:37 <ArtForz> ahhh... yeah
637 2010-11-25 07:42:43 <Diablo-D3> durf what
638 2010-11-25 07:42:47 <ArtForz> start X with no monitor connected
639 2010-11-25 07:43:05 <kupo> I'm many versions behind now
640 2010-11-25 07:43:06 <OneFixt> i think i did that.. but let me restart it
641 2010-11-25 07:43:06 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: nooe, no bug
642 2010-11-25 07:43:09 <ArtForz> driver goes haywire if you disconnect the monitor while X is running
643 2010-11-25 07:43:13 <OneFixt> ah
644 2010-11-25 07:43:15 <OneFixt> hm
645 2010-11-25 07:43:18 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: I only + or - workSizes.
646 2010-11-25 07:43:35 <ArtForz> Diablo: hurrm, weird
647 2010-11-25 07:43:53 <OneFixt> gonna restart the machine and try all over w/out monitor
648 2010-11-25 07:44:03 <ArtForz> do you use events to serialize the kernels?
649 2010-11-25 07:44:42 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: oh and 4194304 is / 256 anyhow
650 2010-11-25 07:44:51 <ArtForz> yep
651 2010-11-25 07:44:57 <ArtForz> it's a power of 2
652 2010-11-25 07:44:58 <Diablo-D3> I dont use events
653 2010-11-25 07:45:08 <ArtForz> so how do you serialize your 2 kernels?
654 2010-11-25 07:45:10 <OneFixt> ArtForz: Success!! thank you =)
655 2010-11-25 07:45:21 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: Im not using a queue that can execute out of order
656 2010-11-25 07:45:37 <ArtForz> I dont think opencl allows that
657 2010-11-25 07:45:43 <Diablo-D3> erm, thats the default mode
658 2010-11-25 07:45:46 <ArtForz> no
659 2010-11-25 07:45:55 <Diablo-D3> you have to specifically ask for a queue that does OoOE
660 2010-11-25 07:46:00 <ArtForz> I mean just queueing 2 kernels where #2 depends on #1 results
661 2010-11-25 07:46:16 <Diablo-D3> by default, it always runs them in that order
662 2010-11-25 07:46:17 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: and btw
663 2010-11-25 07:46:21 <Diablo-D3> even if it DID run them out of order
664 2010-11-25 07:46:25 <Diablo-D3> it still has to execute them
665 2010-11-25 07:46:28 <ArtForz> I think even with OOE disabled that violates opencl specs
666 2010-11-25 07:46:31 <Diablo-D3> you just get useless results
667 2010-11-25 07:46:35 <ArtForz> yep
668 2010-11-25 07:46:41 <Diablo-D3> so thats not the source of the bug
669 2010-11-25 07:47:20 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: read the specification btw
670 2010-11-25 07:47:31 <Diablo-D3> the default queue style is always execute in order
671 2010-11-25 07:47:39 <ArtForz> yes
672 2010-11-25 07:48:03 <Diablo-D3> so if I queue kernel A, and then kernel B, it will always be A and then B
673 2010-11-25 07:48:13 <Diablo-D3> never B then A, never A and B concurrently
674 2010-11-25 07:48:13 jrabbit has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
675 2010-11-25 07:48:16 <ArtForz> and afair it's still illegal to queue a kernel that depends on a prev kernels results without either using that ones completion event as a wait for #2 or expliciltyl waiting berfore submitting #2
676 2010-11-25 07:48:51 <Diablo-D3> thats not what the spec says.
677 2010-11-25 07:49:29 <ArtForz> weird
678 2010-11-25 07:49:30 <Diablo-D3> read section 5.8 in the 1.0 spec
679 2010-11-25 07:50:24 <Diablo-D3> If the CL_QUEUE_OUT_OF_ORDER_EXEC_MODE_ENABLE property of a command-queue is
680 2010-11-25 07:50:25 <Diablo-D3> not set, the commands enqueued to a command-queue execute in order. For example, if an
681 2010-11-25 07:50:25 <Diablo-D3> application calls clEnqueueNDRangeKernel to execute kernel A followed by a
682 2010-11-25 07:50:25 <Diablo-D3> clEnqueueNDRangeKernel to execute kernel B, the application can assume that kernel A
683 2010-11-25 07:50:25 <Diablo-D3> finishes first and then kernel B is executed. If the memory objects output by kernel A are inputs
684 2010-11-25 07:50:26 <Diablo-D3> to kernel B then kernel B will see the correct data in memory objects produced by execution of
685 2010-11-25 07:50:28 <Diablo-D3> kernel A.
686 2010-11-25 07:50:35 <Diablo-D3> also, fuck you evince
687 2010-11-25 07:50:41 <Diablo-D3> shitty paste quality is shitty
688 2010-11-25 07:50:51 <ArtForz> guess it's ok then
689 2010-11-25 07:51:00 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: now, what ISNT guaranteed is differnet queues
690 2010-11-25 07:51:01 <ArtForz> I thought I read the exact opposite.. weird
691 2010-11-25 07:51:14 <Diablo-D3> it can do whatever it wants across multiple queues
692 2010-11-25 07:51:14 <ArtForz> hrrrm.. that might've been it
693 2010-11-25 07:51:25 <ArtForz> so techincally it should work
694 2010-11-25 07:51:26 <Diablo-D3> thats why I took events out
695 2010-11-25 07:51:37 <Diablo-D3> I was just chaining sub-queues internally
696 2010-11-25 07:51:49 <Diablo-D3> when I went to thread happy shit, I just make CL do it
697 2010-11-25 07:55:15 jrabbit has joined
698 2010-11-25 07:56:13 <jgarzik> is there an ISA newer than ATI r600?
699 2010-11-25 07:56:20 <ArtForz> yep
700 2010-11-25 07:56:21 <jgarzik> http://developer.amd.com/gpu_assets/r600isa.pdf
701 2010-11-25 07:56:25 <ArtForz> r700
702 2010-11-25 07:56:31 <ArtForz> aka 5xxx series
703 2010-11-25 07:56:49 <ArtForz> the docs are strewn pretty much all over AMDs site
704 2010-11-25 07:56:57 <jgarzik> ah. http://developer.amd.com/gpu_assets/R700-family_instruction_set_architecture.pdf
705 2010-11-25 07:57:52 <ArtForz> sec... yep, that's it
706 2010-11-25 07:58:43 <ArtForz> read 4.7.3 through 4.7.9
707 2010-11-25 07:58:48 <ArtForz> read it a few more times
708 2010-11-25 07:59:29 <Diablo-D3> whats in those sections? =P
709 2010-11-25 07:59:36 <ArtForz> realize why the ocl compiler is having such a hard time making good use of all VLIW units
710 2010-11-25 08:00:17 <ArtForz> GPR read/write, constant read, ... restrictions for V and T units
711 2010-11-25 08:01:35 <ArtForz> my guess is with VLIW4 we should see well >99% ALU usage
712 2010-11-25 08:01:54 <ArtForz> except for that small niggling fact that AMD crippled 32 bit adds
713 2010-11-25 08:02:08 <Diablo-D3> who needs the adds anyhow >_>
714 2010-11-25 08:02:17 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: actually that might not even matter
715 2010-11-25 08:02:21 <jgarzik> the word I get is "harder for a compiler than ia64"
716 2010-11-25 08:02:22 <ArtForz> = in the end VLIW4 might end up slower per-ALU than VLIW5
717 2010-11-25 08:02:39 <ArtForz> jgarzik: yep
718 2010-11-25 08:02:50 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: we have more pipes though
719 2010-11-25 08:03:13 <ArtForz> compared to r600/r700 the IA64 arch looks positively easy to optimize for
720 2010-11-25 08:04:45 <ArtForz> well, sah256 kinda has quite a few adds
721 2010-11-25 08:08:00 <Diablo-D3> http://www.khronos.org/registry/cl/sdk/1.0/docs/man/xhtml/clEnqueueNDRangeKernel.html
722 2010-11-25 08:08:12 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: it seems for global work size the maximum is 32 bit.
723 2010-11-25 08:08:17 <Diablo-D3> there isnt any useful way to query it
724 2010-11-25 08:10:59 <ArtForz> btw, the add hit is quite a bit
725 2010-11-25 08:11:25 <ArtForz> 5xxx theoretical min is 4148 ops per bchash
726 2010-11-25 08:11:47 <ArtForz> 69xx is 5290
727 2010-11-25 08:12:07 <Diablo-D3> I assume 68xx is the same?
728 2010-11-25 08:12:17 <ArtForz> yep, 68xx = 5xxx
729 2010-11-25 08:13:03 <ArtForz> 68xx has 57xx style shaders
730 2010-11-25 08:14:15 <ArtForz> so at the same num_alus * clock 69xx should end up 27% slower than 58xx
731 2010-11-25 08:14:35 <ArtForz> 27.5% actually
732 2010-11-25 08:14:51 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: what about 4xxx?
733 2010-11-25 08:15:03 <ArtForz> 6356 ops/clock
734 2010-11-25 08:15:09 <Diablo-D3> blergh
735 2010-11-25 08:15:16 <ArtForz> no bitalign = fail
736 2010-11-25 08:15:38 <Diablo-D3> I may buy a 68xx after all >_>
737 2010-11-25 08:15:53 <ArtForz> so let's see
738 2010-11-25 08:16:08 <ArtForz> 6990 is rumored to be 3840 ALUs @ 775MHz
739 2010-11-25 08:16:32 <ArtForz> = 2976Gops/s
740 2010-11-25 08:16:48 <Diablo-D3> what about a 6970?
741 2010-11-25 08:16:54 <Diablo-D3> Im not sure if I really want a dual gpu card
742 2010-11-25 08:17:03 <ArtForz> giving ... 562.5 Mh/s theoretical peak
743 2010-11-25 08:17:11 <Diablo-D3> thats...
744 2010-11-25 08:17:13 <Diablo-D3> not very high at all
745 2010-11-25 08:17:28 <ArtForz> yep
746 2010-11-25 08:17:42 <ArtForz> 5970 is 559.3 theoretical peak ...
747 2010-11-25 08:18:01 <Diablo-D3> those 5970 are looking mighty nice
748 2010-11-25 08:18:23 <ArtForz> 6970 is supposed to be 1920 @ 900MHz
749 2010-11-25 08:18:42 <ArtForz> ... 326.6Mh/s
750 2010-11-25 08:19:12 <Diablo-D3> and what about the 5870 and the 6870?
751 2010-11-25 08:19:14 <ArtForz> 5870 is 327.8 ...
752 2010-11-25 08:19:31 <ArtForz> 6870 is 243.0
753 2010-11-25 08:19:39 <Diablo-D3> huh.
754 2010-11-25 08:19:45 <ArtForz> ... yeah
755 2010-11-25 08:20:44 <ArtForz> 5850 is 251.7
756 2010-11-25 08:21:04 <Diablo-D3> lowest price not shit 5870 == $280
757 2010-11-25 08:21:39 <ArtForz> so 6870 slightly slower than 5850, 6970 about equal to 5870, 6990 about equal to 5970
758 2010-11-25 08:21:49 <Diablo-D3> lowest price not shit 6870 == $250
759 2010-11-25 08:22:06 <Diablo-D3> wait no
760 2010-11-25 08:22:12 <Diablo-D3> $270
761 2010-11-25 08:22:12 <ArtForz> 6870 is a bit slower than a 5850
762 2010-11-25 08:22:29 <Diablo-D3> argh newegg
763 2010-11-25 08:22:39 <Diablo-D3> lowest price not shit 6870 == $270
764 2010-11-25 08:22:44 <ArtForz> 58 *50*, not 70
765 2010-11-25 08:22:59 <Diablo-D3> lowest price not shit 5970 == $470
766 2010-11-25 08:23:12 <ArtForz> 6870 also happens to have exactly the same TDP as 5850
767 2010-11-25 08:23:34 <ArtForz> 5970s are just fucking awesome
768 2010-11-25 08:23:54 <ArtForz> especially considering the can be OCed to 5870 clocks without much of a problem
769 2010-11-25 08:24:17 <Diablo-D3> 5870 == 1.17 mhash per dollar
770 2010-11-25 08:24:28 <ArtForz> and then a 5970 is ~655.7 Mh/s peak
771 2010-11-25 08:24:54 <ArtForz> at 910 core it breaks 700Mh peak
772 2010-11-25 08:25:08 <Diablo-D3> 6870 == 0.9 mhash per dollar
773 2010-11-25 08:25:15 <ArtForz> yep
774 2010-11-25 08:25:29 <ArtForz> so far 6xxx looks like total *yawn*
775 2010-11-25 08:25:44 <Diablo-D3> 5970 == 1.39 mhash per dollar
776 2010-11-25 08:26:07 <ArtForz> OC that 5970 and it's cheaper per Mh than a 5770 ...
777 2010-11-25 08:26:20 <Diablo-D3> did you say what a 6850 does?
778 2010-11-25 08:26:34 <ArtForz> not very much
779 2010-11-25 08:26:44 <Diablo-D3> they dont cost very much
780 2010-11-25 08:26:49 <ArtForz> 10% faster than a 5770
781 2010-11-25 08:27:00 <Diablo-D3> so thats... what?
782 2010-11-25 08:27:11 <ArtForz> 179.3 Mh/s
783 2010-11-25 08:27:36 <ArtForz> 5770 is 163.9
784 2010-11-25 08:27:39 <Diablo-D3> 6850 = 0.94 mhash/dollar at 190
785 2010-11-25 08:28:00 <Diablo-D3> what about a 5850?
786 2010-11-25 08:28:34 <ArtForz> ArtForz> 5850 is 251.7
787 2010-11-25 08:28:58 <Diablo-D3> 5850 == 1.40 mhash/dollar at $180
788 2010-11-25 08:29:57 <Diablo-D3> woah
789 2010-11-25 08:30:08 <Diablo-D3> 5770 == 1.64 mhash/dollar at $100
790 2010-11-25 08:30:16 <ArtForz> factor in the rest of the system and 5970 wins hands down
791 2010-11-25 08:30:27 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: well except
792 2010-11-25 08:30:31 <Diablo-D3> Im buying one card
793 2010-11-25 08:30:33 <Diablo-D3> not 24
794 2010-11-25 08:30:37 <ArtForz> so?
795 2010-11-25 08:30:39 <Diablo-D3> or whatever it is you're up to
796 2010-11-25 08:30:49 Kiba has joined
797 2010-11-25 08:30:51 <Diablo-D3> so did I forget a card worth mentioning?
798 2010-11-25 08:30:59 <ArtForz> not really
799 2010-11-25 08:31:01 <ArtForz> still at 12, damn things are on backorder everywhere
800 2010-11-25 08:31:21 <Diablo-D3> 5850, 5970, and 5770 seem to be the best cards here
801 2010-11-25 08:31:27 <ArtForz> yep
802 2010-11-25 08:31:30 <ArtForz> cheapest 5970 I could get right now is ~$700 after tax
803 2010-11-25 08:31:52 * Kiba decides not to sleep
804 2010-11-25 08:32:01 <Kiba> I frequent the forum far too much
805 2010-11-25 08:32:17 <ArtForz> the cheap ones are ~$550 after tax here, and they're freaking near impossible to get
806 2010-11-25 08:32:27 <Diablo-D3> so hrm
807 2010-11-25 08:32:58 * Kiba is now one of the only 3 guys in the entire bitcoin forum that have more than a thousnad post
808 2010-11-25 08:33:08 <Diablo-D3> I did 6870, I did 6850, I did 5870, I did 5850, I did 5770
809 2010-11-25 08:33:34 <Diablo-D3> is there a 6770 yet?
810 2010-11-25 08:33:57 <Diablo-D3> no
811 2010-11-25 08:34:05 <ArtForz> nope ,and there probly wont be one for > 6 months
812 2010-11-25 08:34:37 <ArtForz> 67xx is supposed to be first GPU on 28nm, Q2-Q3 '11
813 2010-11-25 08:34:52 <Diablo-D3> my 4850 is 1000 gflops, 110 watts
814 2010-11-25 08:35:41 <Diablo-D3> a 5850 is 2088 gflops, and 151 watts
815 2010-11-25 08:35:46 <ArtForz> 4850 = 78.7 Mh/s peak
816 2010-11-25 08:35:59 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: Im just considering here my future upgrade
817 2010-11-25 08:36:03 <Diablo-D3> I want it to be a good fit as replacement
818 2010-11-25 08:36:12 <ArtForz> just saying, 4xxx needs a lot more ops to do one hash
819 2010-11-25 08:36:28 <jgarzik> http://cgi.ebay.com/VisionTek-ATI-Radeon-HD-5970-2GB-Video-Card-BRAND-NEW-/170569700026?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item27b6bf12ba
820 2010-11-25 08:36:30 <jgarzik> $400
821 2010-11-25 08:36:39 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: visiontek sucks
822 2010-11-25 08:36:44 <ArtForz> 5770 is EXACTLY the same Gops/s as a 4890
823 2010-11-25 08:36:58 <Diablo-D3> 5770 is 1360 gflops at 108 watts
824 2010-11-25 08:37:02 <Diablo-D3> so its not really worth grabbing a 5770
825 2010-11-25 08:37:22 <Diablo-D3> [03:22:05] <Diablo-D3> 5770 == 1.64 mhash/dollar at $100
826 2010-11-25 08:37:24 <ArtForz> welll
827 2010-11-25 08:37:25 <Diablo-D3> [03:20:56] <Diablo-D3> 5850 == 1.40 mhash/dollar at $180
828 2010-11-25 08:37:30 <Diablo-D3> [03:17:41] <Diablo-D3> 5970 == 1.39 mhash per dollar
829 2010-11-25 08:37:36 <Diablo-D3> [03:16:15] <Diablo-D3> 5870 == 1.17 mhash per dollar
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831 2010-11-25 08:37:48 <Diablo-D3> so hrm
832 2010-11-25 08:37:58 <ArtForz> a 5770 is still over 2x as fast for bchash than a 4850 ...
833 2010-11-25 08:38:11 <Diablo-D3> yeah but its the same 3d performance
834 2010-11-25 08:38:15 <Diablo-D3> so its not really worth upgrading to
835 2010-11-25 08:38:29 <ArtForz> yep
836 2010-11-25 08:38:51 <Diablo-D3> so 5850 seems to be the bottom contender
837 2010-11-25 08:38:57 <ArtForz> well, if you go for 3D perf 68xx makes sense
838 2010-11-25 08:39:15 <Diablo-D3> 5870 is 2720/188
839 2010-11-25 08:39:19 <ArtForz> a 6870 is about == 5870 for 3d
840 2010-11-25 08:39:20 <Diablo-D3> that doesnt seem too horriffic
841 2010-11-25 08:39:30 <Diablo-D3> yeah, but its lower in bitcoin performance
842 2010-11-25 08:40:08 <ArtForz> hurrm, why would someone sell a NEW 5970 for $400 ?
843 2010-11-25 08:41:25 <Diablo-D3> I have $116.19 in my btc fund
844 2010-11-25 08:41:37 <ArtForz> oh, and OEM cards come with NO accessories
845 2010-11-25 08:41:47 <Diablo-D3> yeah I dont really need the fucking accessories
846 2010-11-25 08:41:56 <Diablo-D3> I wish I could buy OEM cards through newegg
847 2010-11-25 08:42:35 <OneFixt> ;;bc,stats
848 2010-11-25 08:42:38 <gribble> Current Blocks: 93709 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94752 | Next Difficulty In: 1043 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 1 hour, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 7063.19106176
849 2010-11-25 08:42:48 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: so hrm
850 2010-11-25 08:43:06 <Diablo-D3> I think it may be a toss up of either 5850 or 5870
851 2010-11-25 08:43:16 <ArtForz> dual 5770s :P
852 2010-11-25 08:43:21 <Diablo-D3> single slot, fool
853 2010-11-25 08:43:55 <Diablo-D3> 5870 gives me 2720, 188 watts, thats like almost 3x performance for 2x watts
854 2010-11-25 08:44:01 <Diablo-D3> and probably not really add to the heat output any
855 2010-11-25 08:44:21 <ArtForz> 5870 is 188W TDP, 4850 is 110W
856 2010-11-25 08:44:29 <Diablo-D3> I said almost 2x
857 2010-11-25 08:44:36 <ArtForz> same power bracket would be a 5770
858 2010-11-25 08:44:40 <ArtForz> at 108W
859 2010-11-25 08:45:00 <Diablo-D3> so hrm
860 2010-11-25 08:45:09 <Diablo-D3> but they're fucking $250
861 2010-11-25 08:47:41 <Diablo-D3> and $5850s are $180
862 2010-11-25 08:47:43 <Diablo-D3> meh
863 2010-11-25 08:47:52 * Diablo-D3 will just have to wait.
864 2010-11-25 08:48:16 <ArtForz> GPU upgrades cost money, news at 11
865 2010-11-25 08:49:25 <Diablo-D3> well, GPU production for me is basically dead
866 2010-11-25 08:50:20 <ArtForz> huh?
867 2010-11-25 08:50:38 <Kiba> seem like Diablo-D3 have a lot of problem with bitcoin mining
868 2010-11-25 08:55:44 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: not enough mhash
869 2010-11-25 09:00:48 <ArtForz> needs more cowb... mhash
870 2010-11-25 09:04:22 remmy_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
871 2010-11-25 09:10:40 <Diablo-D3> lol
872 2010-11-25 09:14:43 jgarzik has quit (Quit: Client exiting)
873 2010-11-25 09:15:13 <tylergillies> ive heard i should backup wallet after every transaction. is there a point to that? or is it just after every new keygen?
874 2010-11-25 09:15:30 <ArtForz> thanks to keypool it's now every 100 tx
875 2010-11-25 09:15:41 <tylergillies> keypool?
876 2010-11-25 09:15:41 <ArtForz> or whatever you set as keypool size
877 2010-11-25 09:15:45 <ArtForz> yep
878 2010-11-25 09:15:55 <tylergillies> where are docs for that?
879 2010-11-25 09:16:05 <ArtForz> somewhere on the forum
880 2010-11-25 09:16:17 <ArtForz> = it pre-generates "random" keys and stores em in wallet
881 2010-11-25 09:16:29 <ArtForz> and you can set how many it keeps around
882 2010-11-25 09:16:52 <tylergillies> oh cool
883 2010-11-25 09:16:58 <tylergillies> so default value is 100?
884 2010-11-25 09:17:04 <ArtForz> yep
885 2010-11-25 09:17:07 <tylergillies> thnx
886 2010-11-25 09:20:30 <Diablo-D3> Im sad
887 2010-11-25 09:20:38 <Diablo-D3> I havent produced any blocks yet
888 2010-11-25 09:22:27 <ArtForz> wow, that sucks
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898 2010-11-25 10:25:44 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: well
899 2010-11-25 10:25:48 <Diablo-D3> at least I know my miner works
900 2010-11-25 10:25:54 <Diablo-D3> it just doesnt work fast enough
901 2010-11-25 10:25:57 <joe_1> y did u abandon me last night
902 2010-11-25 10:26:01 <ArtForz> ?
903 2010-11-25 10:26:26 <Diablo-D3> joe_1: your mom is hotter
904 2010-11-25 10:26:45 <joe_1> fu
905 2010-11-25 10:26:47 <ArtForz> oh, right, I think I still have him on ignore
906 2010-11-25 10:26:53 <xelister> ArtForz: hi
907 2010-11-25 10:26:56 <Diablo-D3> so
908 2010-11-25 10:26:57 <Diablo-D3> meh
909 2010-11-25 10:27:02 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: I dunno
910 2010-11-25 10:27:06 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: I think I wasted my time
911 2010-11-25 10:27:11 <Diablo-D3> I mean, sure, I now have the best miner ever
912 2010-11-25 10:27:12 <ArtForz> xelister: hmm?
913 2010-11-25 10:27:17 <Diablo-D3> but
914 2010-11-25 10:27:19 <Diablo-D3> whats the point
915 2010-11-25 10:27:21 <ArtForz> on a completelöy hopeless arch :P
916 2010-11-25 10:27:29 <Diablo-D3> no
917 2010-11-25 10:27:35 <Diablo-D3> it was written for all archs
918 2010-11-25 10:27:46 <ArtForz> 4xxx is like half the hash/W compared to 5xxx
919 2010-11-25 10:27:50 <Diablo-D3> I suspect the -s hack will work wonders on geforces too
920 2010-11-25 10:27:52 <ArtForz> and you're optimizing for 4xxx ...
921 2010-11-25 10:27:54 <Diablo-D3> but I dont know anyone that has one
922 2010-11-25 10:27:56 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: no Im not
923 2010-11-25 10:28:05 Remmy has joined
924 2010-11-25 10:28:05 <Diablo-D3> what optimizations besides the split was for 4xxx?
925 2010-11-25 10:28:27 <ArtForz> no clue
926 2010-11-25 10:28:31 <Diablo-D3> none
927 2010-11-25 10:28:46 <Diablo-D3> the rest was just optimizing the host code to work optimally period.
928 2010-11-25 10:28:51 <ArtForz> btw, did you update to work with r189 getwork yet?
929 2010-11-25 10:28:55 <Diablo-D3> no
930 2010-11-25 10:29:00 <Diablo-D3> r189's getwork is broken
931 2010-11-25 10:29:03 <Diablo-D3> it needs to be fixed
932 2010-11-25 10:29:07 <ArtForz> whats broken?
933 2010-11-25 10:29:10 <xelister> ArtForz: so 5970 needs what 8 bit cable? EPS12V ?
934 2010-11-25 10:29:21 <ArtForz> xelister: PCIe 8pin and 6pin
935 2010-11-25 10:29:33 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: the output is completely incompatible with m0's
936 2010-11-25 10:29:51 <ArtForz> and there is no way to tell em apart?
937 2010-11-25 10:29:56 <Diablo-D3> oh, there is
938 2010-11-25 10:29:59 <Diablo-D3> one works, the other doesnt
939 2010-11-25 10:30:08 <Diablo-D3> but Im not going to write code that Im going to just remove later
940 2010-11-25 10:30:11 <Diablo-D3> satoshi WILL fix is
941 2010-11-25 10:30:12 <Diablo-D3> (his
942 2010-11-25 10:30:13 <Diablo-D3> period
943 2010-11-25 10:30:19 <ArtForz> satoshis is imo coded a lot cleaner than m0s getwork
944 2010-11-25 10:30:21 <Diablo-D3> if he doesnt, then say goodbye to mining
945 2010-11-25 10:30:21 <xelister> ArtForz: so PCIe power cables are end with black plugs right? I have only 2 x 6 pin black-socket-ended cable... dont have 8 pin at all.
946 2010-11-25 10:30:31 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: I dont give a shit if he coded it cleaner
947 2010-11-25 10:30:54 <Diablo-D3> xelister: you can convert molex plugs into 8 pin
948 2010-11-25 10:31:01 <Diablo-D3> xelister: just buy the converters
949 2010-11-25 10:31:17 <ArtForz> just make sure your PSU rails are beefy enough
950 2010-11-25 10:31:24 <xelister> Diablo-D3: I wonder if I do not need a nowe PSU. Anyway this one is just 550 W
951 2010-11-25 10:31:31 <ArtForz> 5970 seems to like to pull most of its power through the 8pin
952 2010-11-25 10:31:32 <Diablo-D3> xelister: 550 isnt enough
953 2010-11-25 10:31:45 <xelister> Diablo-D3: well not neseserly, it depends on the rails
954 2010-11-25 10:31:51 <ArtForz> 550W for a 5970 is asking for trouble
955 2010-11-25 10:31:58 <xelister> good 550 W > 700 W psu afaik
956 2010-11-25 10:31:58 <ArtForz> stock 5970 = 300W
957 2010-11-25 10:32:09 <ArtForz> decent CPU = 110W
958 2010-11-25 10:32:32 <xelister> so PCI-e 8 pin power is 5 V ? and takes from the 5 V rail?
959 2010-11-25 10:32:49 <xelister> and CPU take from the 12 V rail, right?
960 2010-11-25 10:32:50 <ArtForz> thats 410W on +12 alone, without chipset, ram, Hd or DVD drive
961 2010-11-25 10:33:20 <Diablo-D3> xelister: upgrade to that one corsair I found
962 2010-11-25 10:33:40 <Diablo-D3> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139015
963 2010-11-25 10:33:42 <ArtForz> some DVD drives pull >30W on +12 when spinning up
964 2010-11-25 10:33:43 <Diablo-D3> vrrrrrm
965 2010-11-25 10:33:48 <xelister> but a decent PSU will cost like 200 USD it seems
966 2010-11-25 10:33:51 <ArtForz> nope
967 2010-11-25 10:33:57 <Diablo-D3> has 4x 6+2 plugs
968 2010-11-25 10:33:59 <Diablo-D3> and 850 watts
969 2010-11-25 10:34:05 <Diablo-D3> and is modular
970 2010-11-25 10:34:09 <xelister> THIS ALL SUCK DONKEY BALLS
971 2010-11-25 10:34:10 <ArtForz> a decent PSU for one or two 5970s is < $100
972 2010-11-25 10:34:11 * xelister rages quits
973 2010-11-25 10:34:15 <xelister> no wait, this is real life.
974 2010-11-25 10:34:20 * Diablo-D3 ragequits xelister
975 2010-11-25 10:34:22 <ArtForz> decent as in "wont blow up after 10 seconds"
976 2010-11-25 10:34:29 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: meh
977 2010-11-25 10:34:45 <Diablo-D3> I wouldnt mind that corsair
978 2010-11-25 10:34:50 <xelister> so PCI-E, both 6 and 8 pin, takes from 12 V rail?
979 2010-11-25 10:34:54 <Diablo-D3> xelister: yes
980 2010-11-25 10:34:54 <ArtForz> yup
981 2010-11-25 10:35:00 <Diablo-D3> xelister: oh, and thats a single rail psu there
982 2010-11-25 10:35:05 <Diablo-D3> so no needing to deal with fucking bullshit
983 2010-11-25 10:35:14 <xelister> are there PSUs that have 2 rails for 12 V ?
984 2010-11-25 10:35:22 <Diablo-D3> xelister: BAD
985 2010-11-25 10:35:26 <Diablo-D3> >1 rail is shit psu
986 2010-11-25 10:35:26 <ArtForz> 2, 3, 4, 6, 8
987 2010-11-25 10:35:29 <ArtForz> nope
988 2010-11-25 10:35:33 <Diablo-D3> more rails == more fail
989 2010-11-25 10:35:36 <ArtForz> multirail is actually noit a BAD idea
990 2010-11-25 10:35:49 <ArtForz> take a single rail PSU, pull 50A through a single molex
991 2010-11-25 10:36:00 <ArtForz> oh look, glowing wires
992 2010-11-25 10:36:05 <Diablo-D3> yes, but you have to intelligently load balance your rails
993 2010-11-25 10:36:06 <xelister> which is better then? I have 1... say 2 x 5970, up to 6 hdd, strong intell quadcore, 4 ram banks, dvd recorder
994 2010-11-25 10:36:21 <xelister> what exactly PSU config I need, in rails power?
995 2010-11-25 10:36:39 <Diablo-D3> xelister: I have that, but single 4850 and a intel dual core
996 2010-11-25 10:36:40 <xelister> 12V: 350(*2) W for radeons, plus... 30 W per hard-drive ?
997 2010-11-25 10:36:42 <Diablo-D3> xelister: and I use 350 real
998 2010-11-25 10:36:48 <ArtForz> on any decent multirail design you can load any plug to ... well.. whatever the rail limit is, and nothing will catch fire
999 2010-11-25 10:36:57 <Diablo-D3> xelister: so you need like 700 real
1000 2010-11-25 10:37:21 <xelister> well 700 W real on 12 V single-rail is just the radeons, the CPU we said is like 100
1001 2010-11-25 10:37:27 <xelister> so 850 W on real 12 V ?
1002 2010-11-25 10:37:27 <ArtForz> yep
1003 2010-11-25 10:37:59 <ArtForz> = for dual 5970s a 1kW PSU is a pretty good idea
1004 2010-11-25 10:38:06 <xelister> sata hard drives use what rail? it says sata power use all 3V 5V 12V
1005 2010-11-25 10:38:18 <ArtForz> all 3.5" HDs use 12V for the motor
1006 2010-11-25 10:38:22 <ArtForz> so do DVD drives
1007 2010-11-25 10:38:34 <xelister> so 12 V mostly
1008 2010-11-25 10:38:38 <ArtForz> yep
1009 2010-11-25 10:38:39 <xelister> one hdd... 20 W ?
1010 2010-11-25 10:38:44 <Diablo-D3> xelister: no
1011 2010-11-25 10:38:46 <ArtForz> ~ 10W normally
1012 2010-11-25 10:38:50 <ArtForz> 30W+ when spinning up
1013 2010-11-25 10:38:50 <Diablo-D3> around 10
1014 2010-11-25 10:38:59 <Diablo-D3> yeah, but staggered spin up fixes that
1015 2010-11-25 10:39:09 <ArtForz> staggered spinup? in ma consumer box? on what planet?
1016 2010-11-25 10:39:18 <Diablo-D3> sata does it
1017 2010-11-25 10:39:36 <xelister> also what if all hard drives wake up from sleep in same time. yeah better be safe then sorry with hdds
1018 2010-11-25 10:39:37 <ArtForz> did you test it with onboard and cheap fakeraid controllers?
1019 2010-11-25 10:39:45 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: yes
1020 2010-11-25 10:39:55 <xelister> btw what hapens on overload? someone doesnt get power and GPU / hdd powers off, or something catches fire
1021 2010-11-25 10:40:04 <Diablo-D3> xelister: on a good psu? it shuts down
1022 2010-11-25 10:40:15 <Diablo-D3> on a bad psu? shit catches fire.
1023 2010-11-25 10:40:25 <xelister> lol
1024 2010-11-25 10:40:27 <ArtForz> on a good psu: it blows up
1025 2010-11-25 10:40:29 <xelister> for real? cool
1026 2010-11-25 10:40:33 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: not true
1027 2010-11-25 10:40:40 <Diablo-D3> unless it arcs for no fucking reason
1028 2010-11-25 10:40:40 * xelister keeps fire extinguisher around
1029 2010-11-25 10:40:43 <ArtForz> on a bad psu: it blows up and takes out everything
1030 2010-11-25 10:40:58 <xelister> I should buy halogen one.
1031 2010-11-25 10:41:00 <Diablo-D3> unless you're doing like 4x what the PSU can do
1032 2010-11-25 10:41:08 <ArtForz> nope, "only" 110%
1033 2010-11-25 10:41:20 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: I've tripped PSUs before
1034 2010-11-25 10:41:24 <ArtForz> ... for a few hours ... at 45°C ambient
1035 2010-11-25 10:41:27 <xelister> ArtForz: you use halogen extinguishers? really should ;)
1036 2010-11-25 10:41:27 <Diablo-D3> they just shut off with no damage
1037 2010-11-25 10:41:29 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: lol
1038 2010-11-25 10:41:42 <Diablo-D3> xelister: dude, you cant buy a halogen extinguisher
1039 2010-11-25 10:41:57 <ArtForz> and BLAM said the switching transistor in the active PFC
1040 2010-11-25 10:42:11 <Diablo-D3> xelister: just use a fucking normal C02
1041 2010-11-25 10:42:19 <Diablo-D3> er CO2
1042 2010-11-25 10:42:23 <ArtForz> yeah, just get co2
1043 2010-11-25 10:42:24 <xelister> Diablo-D3: and all electornics is ruined isnt it
1044 2010-11-25 10:42:30 <ArtForz> huh? wtf?
1045 2010-11-25 10:42:31 <xelister> well sure you CAN buy
1046 2010-11-25 10:42:37 <ArtForz> it's fucking carbon dioxide
1047 2010-11-25 10:42:39 <Diablo-D3> xelister: you need a license for halogen extinguishers iirc
1048 2010-11-25 10:42:47 <xelister> you can even buy RPG if you really want to
1049 2010-11-25 10:43:12 <ArtForz> overtemp didnt trip, overload didnt trip, nothing, it just went boom
1050 2010-11-25 10:43:19 <xelister> or buy children if you are with the government. or rights to grope children - just work with TSA. or to kill peopolel ,just join the army ;) </offtopic>
1051 2010-11-25 10:43:20 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: wtf, shit psu
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1053 2010-11-25 10:43:29 <ArtForz> thermaltake toughpower 1kW
1054 2010-11-25 10:43:29 <Diablo-D3> oh shut up xelister
1055 2010-11-25 10:43:36 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: thermaltake IS SHIT
1056 2010-11-25 10:43:38 <Diablo-D3> SHIT SHIT SHIT
1057 2010-11-25 10:43:39 <Diablo-D3> SHIT
1058 2010-11-25 10:43:40 <Diablo-D3> _SHIT_
1059 2010-11-25 10:43:41 <xelister> Diablo-D3: lol "you need a license"
1060 2010-11-25 10:43:42 <Diablo-D3> all across the board
1061 2010-11-25 10:43:46 <Diablo-D3> every single product
1062 2010-11-25 10:43:47 <Diablo-D3> shit
1063 2010-11-25 10:43:52 <Diablo-D3> psus, hsfs, cases
1064 2010-11-25 10:43:53 <Diablo-D3> all shit
1065 2010-11-25 10:44:15 <ArtForz> everythign is shit nowadays
1066 2010-11-25 10:44:21 <Diablo-D3> true
1067 2010-11-25 10:44:24 <xelister> except shit
1068 2010-11-25 10:44:24 <Diablo-D3> I miss my silencers :<
1069 2010-11-25 10:44:28 <Diablo-D3> best psu ever
1070 2010-11-25 10:44:33 <Diablo-D3> fucking whores
1071 2010-11-25 10:44:35 <Diablo-D3> they sold out to ocz
1072 2010-11-25 10:44:37 <ArtForz> unless you get a $300+ industrial PSU RATED for 24/7 at full load
1073 2010-11-25 10:44:40 <Diablo-D3> nuke china
1074 2010-11-25 10:44:47 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: yeah but they never have the good shit
1075 2010-11-25 10:45:03 <xelister> so I need 650 W on 12V single-rail for single radeon, and 1000 W for same for double, correct?
1076 2010-11-25 10:45:08 <ArtForz> what?
1077 2010-11-25 10:45:12 <xelister> anything other to pay attention to when buying PSU?
1078 2010-11-25 10:45:14 <Diablo-D3> xelister: no
1079 2010-11-25 10:45:27 <Diablo-D3> xelister: you need ~600 watts for 2x 5970
1080 2010-11-25 10:45:34 <xelister> 40*5 + 350*1 + 100 = 650 W, 5 hard drives, radeon, cpu
1081 2010-11-25 10:45:38 <ArtForz> stock
1082 2010-11-25 10:45:49 <Diablo-D3> so a 850w psu SHOULD do what you want
1083 2010-11-25 10:45:55 <ArtForz> a OCed 5970 is 350-400W
1084 2010-11-25 10:46:10 <xelister> Im probably not going to OC, btw
1085 2010-11-25 10:46:22 <ArtForz> then 300W per 5970
1086 2010-11-25 10:46:23 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: well like, too many PSUs dont have fucking pci-e plugs
1087 2010-11-25 10:46:27 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: or not enough of them
1088 2010-11-25 10:46:27 <xelister> so what, 650 on 12 rail is too high?
1089 2010-11-25 10:46:40 <xelister> count just 20 for hdds?
1090 2010-11-25 10:46:51 <xelister> then 550 on 12V rail
1091 2010-11-25 10:46:53 <Diablo-D3> xelister: you could do like 800 watts on a 12v rail if your PSU is beefy enough
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1094 2010-11-25 10:46:59 <Diablo-D3> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139014
1095 2010-11-25 10:47:00 <Diablo-D3> I mean hell
1096 2010-11-25 10:47:03 <Diablo-D3> look at that
1097 2010-11-25 10:47:15 <Diablo-D3> 1200 watts == the maximum you're going to get out of a 15 amp plug
1098 2010-11-25 10:47:16 <xelister> no, Im asking, how I should describe the PSU I need
1099 2010-11-25 10:47:22 <Diablo-D3> xelister: you need a 850 watt psu.
1100 2010-11-25 10:47:30 <Diablo-D3> Ive told you this three fucking times
1101 2010-11-25 10:47:52 <xelister> Diablo-D3: Im not going to ask about stock W power in the name like a noob, but about the 12 V rail power
1102 2010-11-25 10:47:54 <ArtForz> 850W? loaded to 600W 24/7? you like living on the edge...
1103 2010-11-25 10:48:11 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: only if he doesnt load the CPU
1104 2010-11-25 10:48:21 <Diablo-D3> if he does, meh.
1105 2010-11-25 10:48:28 <Diablo-D3> get that 1200 watt PSU
1106 2010-11-25 10:48:31 <ArtForz> well, with cpu loaded it's closer to 700W laod
1107 2010-11-25 10:48:31 <Diablo-D3> its only like $300
1108 2010-11-25 10:48:50 <xelister> so should I count 40 or 20 W per sata hdd on a normal PC?
1109 2010-11-25 10:48:53 <Diablo-D3> $278
1110 2010-11-25 10:48:58 <Diablo-D3> xelister: 10.
1111 2010-11-25 10:49:03 <xelister> will it do delayed spin up really?
1112 2010-11-25 10:49:07 <Diablo-D3> remember they use 5v too
1113 2010-11-25 10:49:45 <ArtForz> and btw, that corsair lowks like a CWT
1114 2010-11-25 10:50:04 <xelister> 5hdd, 1 radeon, CPU, NIC: 10*5 + 350*1 + 120 = 520 W on 12 V rail.
1115 2010-11-25 10:50:31 <xelister> so 520 W psu, with 6 and 8 pin PCI-e power calbes long enough to reach radeon. Is this correct? Anythiong else to ask for in the radeon?
1116 2010-11-25 10:50:34 <xelister> in the psu
1117 2010-11-25 10:50:38 <ArtForz> if it is what I think it is, it's crap
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1119 2010-11-25 10:54:28 <ArtForz> ahhh. flextronics OEM
1120 2010-11-25 10:54:33 <xelister> anything else I need in the SPU, then 520 W in 12V rail? what else is important
1121 2010-11-25 10:56:51 <ArtForz> $280 for that piece of junk is a sad joke
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1123 2010-11-25 11:13:01 <xelister> ArtForz: why its junk
1124 2010-11-25 11:13:17 <ArtForz> look at the internal design
1125 2010-11-25 11:14:13 <xelister> modecom-s are good?
1126 2010-11-25 11:14:23 <xelister> modecom hidi 650 bullpower
1127 2010-11-25 11:14:38 <xelister> hedy
1128 2010-11-25 11:14:46 <ArtForz> modewhat?
1129 2010-11-25 11:15:10 <xelister> like this http://www.ecopc.redcart.pl/p/489/66428/zasilacz-modecom-hedy-650w-bull-power-zasilacze-do-obudow-zasilanie.html
1130 2010-11-25 11:16:10 <ArtForz> does that thing even have a 80+ rating?
1131 2010-11-25 11:16:23 <ArtForz> and a single PCIe connector?
1132 2010-11-25 11:16:33 <xelister> other PCIe woudl be from molex
1133 2010-11-25 11:16:45 <xelister> what 80+ rating?
1134 2010-11-25 11:16:59 <ArtForz> exactly
1135 2010-11-25 11:17:03 <ArtForz> what 80+ rating
1136 2010-11-25 11:17:27 <xelister> I mean, what is "80+ rating" :)
1137 2010-11-25 11:17:47 <ArtForz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80_PLUS
1138 2010-11-25 11:18:02 <xelister> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80_PLUS
1139 2010-11-25 11:18:06 <xelister> ah. yeah
1140 2010-11-25 11:18:33 <ArtForz> the interesting part about 80+ certification is that they measure efficiency at 20, 50 and 100% rated load
1141 2010-11-25 11:19:08 <ArtForz> = to survive testing PSU has to be able to handle 100% rated load at least for a short time
1142 2010-11-25 11:19:26 <xelister> tacens radix 4, 600 W
1143 2010-11-25 11:20:27 <ArtForz> that should be a HEC oem
1144 2010-11-25 11:21:40 <xelister> that looks ok for 1x5970 + 6 harddries + intel quadcore ? http://www.testseek.com/computers/powersupply/tacens_radix_4_600w-p-ce1daca4-7364-f223-bfaa-d99d0ad5f4ad.html
1145 2010-11-25 11:21:44 <ArtForz> it's a oem of the cheap/crap HEXs, stay away
1146 2010-11-25 11:21:49 <ArtForz> *HECs
1147 2010-11-25 11:22:30 <xelister> why? what is HEC, a vendor? why stay clar
1148 2010-11-25 11:22:39 <ArtForz> manufacturer
1149 2010-11-25 11:23:01 <ArtForz> most PSU "vendors" just label the same stuff coming from maybe a dozen actual mfgs
1150 2010-11-25 11:23:58 <xelister> so why they are "bad"?
1151 2010-11-25 11:24:08 <xelister> or, what manufacturers are ok
1152 2010-11-25 11:24:37 <ArtForz> HEC isn't really bad
1153 2010-11-25 11:24:43 <ArtForz> they procude *some* decent models
1154 2010-11-25 11:24:49 <ArtForz> their 600W isn't one of them
1155 2010-11-25 11:25:34 <xelister> so.. better ask for some corsair cpu?
1156 2010-11-25 11:26:09 <xelister> btw, it is not possible to power the GPU alone from /another/ PSU then the rest of computer? ;)
1157 2010-11-25 11:26:15 <ArtForz> it is
1158 2010-11-25 11:26:26 <ArtForz> my 4x5970 is rig powered by 2 1kW PSUs
1159 2010-11-25 11:26:34 <xelister> hm
1160 2010-11-25 11:26:51 <xelister> so perhaps this is what I should be doing
1161 2010-11-25 11:27:12 <xelister> leave box as-is and just throw in separate PSU to handle 300 W on 12 V rail
1162 2010-11-25 11:27:28 <ArtForz> I'd just get a 80+ bronze or better rated 1kW
1163 2010-11-25 11:27:46 <xelister> 1kW for my SINGLE 5970 setup?
1164 2010-11-25 11:49:14 MT`AwAy is now known as zz_MT`AwAy
1165 2010-11-25 11:50:06 zz_MT`AwAy is now known as MT`AwAy
1166 2010-11-25 12:20:21 <xelister> how to use testnet? will the same wallet be used?
1167 2010-11-25 12:23:33 <MT`AwAy> xelister: not the same wallet
1168 2010-11-25 12:23:37 <MT`AwAy> to use it, run bitcoin with option -testnet
1169 2010-11-25 12:24:07 <MT`AwAy> test bitcoin addresses use a different "version"
1170 2010-11-25 12:24:22 <xelister> it takes a while to downlad the blocks
1171 2010-11-25 12:24:28 <MT`AwAy> of course, since nobody is on testnet
1172 2010-11-25 12:24:45 * MT`AwAy connects to testnet
1173 2010-11-25 12:24:59 <MT`AwAy> xelister: if you want some test coins I can send that too
1174 2010-11-25 12:25:23 <MT`AwAy> (got a few :p )
1175 2010-11-25 12:26:00 <xelister> woo ;)
1176 2010-11-25 12:26:03 <xelister> Im mostly testing the miner
1177 2010-11-25 12:26:40 <MT`AwAy> then if you have too many coins, send them to me or to the faucet ;)
1178 2010-11-25 12:26:52 <MT`AwAy> http://freebitcoins.appspot.com/TEST/ <- test faucet
1179 2010-11-25 12:27:05 <xelister> how many blocks on testnet?
1180 2010-11-25 12:27:17 <MT`AwAy> 17027
1181 2010-11-25 12:27:34 <MT`AwAy> difficulty got rather high because of someone else testing a miner there recently
1182 2010-11-25 12:27:50 <MT`AwAy> so current rate of block generation is rather low :(
1183 2010-11-25 12:39:51 <tcatm> you can run your own testnet at difficulty 1/8
1184 2010-11-25 12:40:52 <xelister> ****** Block 1 found on Juniper at 1:30:50 PM
1185 2010-11-25 12:40:53 <xelister> ****** Block 2 found on Juniper at 1:31:05 PM
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1187 2010-11-25 13:02:11 <Diablo-D3> back
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1189 2010-11-25 13:02:19 <Diablo-D3> xelister: with my miner?
1190 2010-11-25 13:03:11 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: you know what I find hilarious?
1191 2010-11-25 13:03:28 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: 80 Plus was designed by Antec attack to attack PC Power
1192 2010-11-25 13:03:45 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: PC Power merely put 80 Plus logos on all their PSUs without any design changes because they already exceeded 80% efficiency
1193 2010-11-25 13:05:12 <UukGoblin> are antecs any good btw? I cam't see any rating on them...
1194 2010-11-25 13:05:39 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: they're shit
1195 2010-11-25 13:05:56 <Diablo-D3> and antec cases outside the p180/p190 family are shit
1196 2010-11-25 13:06:19 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: well no, their PSUs arent _total_ shit
1197 2010-11-25 13:06:21 <Diablo-D3> I can name worse vendors
1198 2010-11-25 13:06:25 <UukGoblin> shit as in inefficient?
1199 2010-11-25 13:06:31 <Diablo-D3> oh no, very efficient
1200 2010-11-25 13:06:44 <Diablo-D3> they were the second company to build consumer 80+% efficiency PSUs
1201 2010-11-25 13:06:53 <UukGoblin> so what's shit about them?
1202 2010-11-25 13:06:54 <Diablo-D3> like I said, they made the 80 Plus program to attack PC Power
1203 2010-11-25 13:06:58 <Diablo-D3> they're not made well
1204 2010-11-25 13:07:00 <UukGoblin> ah right
1205 2010-11-25 13:07:03 <Diablo-D3> they tend to fail for no reason
1206 2010-11-25 13:07:12 <UukGoblin> hm.
1207 2010-11-25 13:07:21 <Diablo-D3> failure rates are below truly shit brands, but the fact the rate exists makes me not want to buy them
1208 2010-11-25 13:07:37 <Diablo-D3> their highest end series probably is okay though
1209 2010-11-25 13:07:47 <UukGoblin> I've got a 1kW one
1210 2010-11-25 13:07:49 <Diablo-D3> they're probably like 2nd or 3rd best
1211 2010-11-25 13:07:55 <UukGoblin> it looks nice, but I haven't looked inside
1212 2010-11-25 13:08:07 <Diablo-D3> their EA ones are fffffffffff
1213 2010-11-25 13:08:12 <UukGoblin> and I'm only gonna use about 600W max
1214 2010-11-25 13:08:21 <Diablo-D3> the truepower family isnt _that_ bad
1215 2010-11-25 13:09:07 <UukGoblin> yeah, I have CP-1000
1216 2010-11-25 13:09:23 <UukGoblin> but thinking of buying some lower rated ones too...
1217 2010-11-25 13:09:56 <Diablo-D3> well, I would NOT buy a ocz, the new pc powers after ocz bought them and fucked veverything up, rosewill...
1218 2010-11-25 13:10:13 <Diablo-D3> nor coolermaster, nor anything with a fucking lighted fan
1219 2010-11-25 13:10:20 <Diablo-D3> seasonics are okay
1220 2010-11-25 13:10:25 <Diablo-D3> corsairs are okay
1221 2010-11-25 13:10:43 <Diablo-D3> zalman makes great fans and cooling shit, but their psus are rebranded chiese shit
1222 2010-11-25 13:10:48 <Diablo-D3> xfx is shit
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1224 2010-11-25 13:11:07 <Diablo-D3> and silverstone is fine but overpriced
1225 2010-11-25 13:11:29 <Diablo-D3> and thermaltake is shit
1226 2010-11-25 13:11:33 <Diablo-D3> and kingwin is shit
1227 2010-11-25 13:11:43 <UukGoblin> that's some research you've done :-]
1228 2010-11-25 13:11:51 <Diablo-D3> and all those bizzaro chinese brands like startech and sparkle and whoever else are shit
1229 2010-11-25 13:12:01 <Diablo-D3> I mean, sparkle? I dont like PSUs that sparkle
1230 2010-11-25 13:12:27 <UukGoblin> lol
1231 2010-11-25 13:12:37 <Diablo-D3> thats indicative of a bad problem
1232 2010-11-25 13:12:42 <UukGoblin> hm, they have some corsairs in kikatek.com, they're more expensive than antecs
1233 2010-11-25 13:13:12 <Diablo-D3> corsairs seem to be the defacto #1 now
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1235 2010-11-25 13:13:35 <UukGoblin> thanks, will look into them then :-]
1236 2010-11-25 13:14:10 <Diablo-D3> if my pc power goes, its going to probably be a toss up between seasonic and corsair
1237 2010-11-25 13:15:08 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: those corsair AX series look nice though
1238 2010-11-25 13:15:25 <Diablo-D3> and I dont like how silverstone goes 12v rail happy
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1241 2010-11-25 13:19:37 <UukGoblin> they only have CX, HX, TX and VX. I wonder what the difference is.
1242 2010-11-25 13:19:52 <Diablo-D3> price and quality
1243 2010-11-25 13:19:55 <UukGoblin> ah sorry they do have AXs
1244 2010-11-25 13:20:33 <Diablo-D3> AX is kind of absurd
1245 2010-11-25 13:22:17 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: something like 6 pci-e 6/8 pin plugs
1246 2010-11-25 13:22:24 <Diablo-D3> with two pins that clip off
1247 2010-11-25 13:22:42 <Diablo-D3> theres only one problem with them all
1248 2010-11-25 13:22:50 <Diablo-D3> fucking 120mm fan
1249 2010-11-25 13:22:57 <Diablo-D3> _why the fuck do these homos keep doing this_
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1252 2010-11-25 13:36:21 <UukGoblin> what about it?
1253 2010-11-25 13:37:09 <Diablo-D3> air flow is wonky
1254 2010-11-25 13:37:18 <Diablo-D3> but all fucking psus do it now
1255 2010-11-25 13:37:22 <Diablo-D3> so you cant really fight that
1256 2010-11-25 13:38:23 <UukGoblin> you mean that it's mounted horizontally below the PSU rather than vertically at the back?
1257 2010-11-25 13:39:00 <Diablo-D3> yeah
1258 2010-11-25 13:39:15 <Diablo-D3> the at/atx design was meant for a 80mm fan oriented correctly
1259 2010-11-25 13:39:21 <UukGoblin> the antec cp-1000 has it properly then ;-]
1260 2010-11-25 13:40:05 <Diablo-D3> LOL
1261 2010-11-25 13:40:08 <Diablo-D3> I just looked at it
1262 2010-11-25 13:40:11 <Diablo-D3> wtf
1263 2010-11-25 13:40:21 <Diablo-D3> thats hax
1264 2010-11-25 13:40:29 <Diablo-D3> an externally mounted fan
1265 2010-11-25 13:40:44 <UukGoblin> yeah
1266 2010-11-25 13:40:46 <Diablo-D3> oh ewwww
1267 2010-11-25 13:40:50 <Diablo-D3> 4 12v rail
1268 2010-11-25 13:40:51 <UukGoblin> it's also a bit bulkier than our case
1269 2010-11-25 13:40:54 <Diablo-D3> fail fail fail fail fail
1270 2010-11-25 13:40:55 <Diablo-D3> fail
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1278 2010-11-25 14:12:08 <xelister> Diablo-D3: yes, on testnet
1279 2010-11-25 14:12:45 <xelister> :P
1280 2010-11-25 14:13:27 <xelister> you think a 600 W "by the name" PSU with 1 rail design will be fine with 5970 (350 W @12V) + quadcore(afair 100 W@12V)
1281 2010-11-25 14:16:34 <Diablo-D3> no
1282 2010-11-25 14:16:41 <Diablo-D3> 850.
1283 2010-11-25 14:16:52 <Diablo-D3> infact, the one I SHOWED YOU THE URL FOR
1284 2010-11-25 14:16:54 <Diablo-D3> waaaaaaagh
1285 2010-11-25 14:17:34 <Diablo-D3> xelister: you're on radeon 5xxx right?
1286 2010-11-25 14:17:40 <Diablo-D3> I wonder if anyone tested if the -a flag works
1287 2010-11-25 14:18:26 <xelister> 850 will cost me a blood fortune
1288 2010-11-25 14:18:41 <xelister> perhps just get regular 400 W PSU separatelly just for the radeon
1289 2010-11-25 14:19:20 <Diablo-D3> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139015
1290 2010-11-25 14:19:23 <Diablo-D3> how is that a fortune?
1291 2010-11-25 14:20:34 <xelister> Diablo-D3: I can get 3-5 hookers for that
1292 2010-11-25 14:20:48 <xelister> so its a fortune comapred to normal computer parts prices ;)
1293 2010-11-25 14:20:52 <xelister> or a 5770
1294 2010-11-25 14:22:24 <Diablo-D3> yes, god forbid you spend a little money so you dont look like a douchebag
1295 2010-11-25 14:26:24 <xelister> xilensa sounds good? psu
1296 2010-11-25 14:26:42 <Diablo-D3> =|
1297 2010-11-25 14:28:54 <xelister> Diablo-D3: afair you also dont have money to throw around, did you got strongets gpu?
1298 2010-11-25 14:29:03 <xelister> same, I dont have right now money to throw on GPUs
1299 2010-11-25 14:29:09 <xelister> erm
1300 2010-11-25 14:29:11 <xelister> on PSUs
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1304 2010-11-25 15:18:50 <Diablo-D3> xelister: yes, but Im so poor I dont have the option of getting shit
1305 2010-11-25 15:18:56 <Diablo-D3> when I buy something, it has to last forever.
1306 2010-11-25 15:21:12 <nanotube> tylergillies: http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=backup
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1310 2010-11-25 15:52:23 <hippich_> anyone have clue why I've run bitcoind -maxconnections=50, but still see only 8 connections in getinfo response?
1311 2010-11-25 15:53:29 <Kiba> hey hippich
1312 2010-11-25 15:53:30 <xelister> hippich_: open ports?
1313 2010-11-25 15:53:41 <Kiba> thanks for the bacon, hiippich
1314 2010-11-25 15:53:54 <nathan7> BACON?
1315 2010-11-25 15:54:07 <Kiba> I got 0.07 for an invesment of .02
1316 2010-11-25 15:55:20 <hippich_> what could be wrong with open ports? it get 8 connections, so i believe firewall and stuff like this is fine.
1317 2010-11-25 15:55:24 <hippich_> kiba, congrats =)
1318 2010-11-25 15:55:45 <hippich_> just tried latest version - same 8 connection despite of maxconnections=50
1319 2010-11-25 15:56:30 <nathan7> Where's the bacon?
1320 2010-11-25 16:00:48 <hippich_> kiba, you should draw bacon and post it too )) will earn some more bitcents =))
1321 2010-11-25 16:09:18 <Kiba> damn. Only 7 people download my art
1322 2010-11-25 16:09:43 <hippich_> i see 10 downloads of #19
1323 2010-11-25 16:10:02 <anarchy_> kiba: how can i pay for something that i cant see? :)
1324 2010-11-25 16:10:13 <hippich_> 11. =)
1325 2010-11-25 16:10:36 <anarchy_> ;;bc,estimate
1326 2010-11-25 16:10:36 <gribble> 7142.84166490
1327 2010-11-25 16:10:37 <hippich_> anarchy, with 0.02 price tag you really do not need )))
1328 2010-11-25 16:10:56 <anarchy_> :)
1329 2010-11-25 16:11:11 <hippich_> i will add soon ability to post some html in description field. kiba will be able to place small thumbnails of his art there )
1330 2010-11-25 16:12:57 <hippich_> btw, kiba, for now you can post small images in your forum post to tease people to download it )
1331 2010-11-25 16:13:23 <Diablo-D3> [10:47:16] <hippich_> what could be wrong with open ports? it get 8 connections, so i believe firewall and stuff like this is fine.
1332 2010-11-25 16:13:32 <Diablo-D3> "connections" : 10,
1333 2010-11-25 16:13:37 <Diablo-D3> because thats why.
1334 2010-11-25 16:14:11 <hippich_> sorry, i do not get it.
1335 2010-11-25 16:14:21 <Diablo-D3> theres only 10 people to connect to.
1336 2010-11-25 16:14:29 <hippich_> ah.
1337 2010-11-25 16:14:31 <hippich_> really?
1338 2010-11-25 16:14:37 <hippich_> wow. that's small network.
1339 2010-11-25 16:14:40 <Diablo-D3> its thanksgiving, everyone is offline
1340 2010-11-25 16:15:04 <Diablo-D3> and theres other people, you just cant directly see them
1341 2010-11-25 16:15:06 <hippich_> well. i had the same yesterday.
1342 2010-11-25 16:16:31 <hippich_> what is the name of irc channel where bitcoin looks for peers?
1343 2010-11-25 16:17:19 <Kiba> we broke record today
1344 2010-11-25 16:17:27 <Kiba> now November have more posts than anybody
1345 2010-11-25 16:18:21 <Diablo-D3> hippich_: I think #bitcoin
1346 2010-11-25 16:19:07 <hippich_> just ~15 peers there i think. the rest - real users.
1347 2010-11-25 16:19:31 <hippich_> too bad. i thought there is much more nodes.
1348 2010-11-25 16:21:43 <Kiba> THE RISE OF THE SENTINMENT BITCOIN NODES
1349 2010-11-25 16:22:20 <Kiba> hippich_: what's next on your ubitio.us todo list?
1350 2010-11-25 16:22:23 <Kiba> did you break even yet?
1351 2010-11-25 16:22:58 <hippich_> well. next my todo - is to get to my freelance projects. otherwise i will not have money to do my hobby projects =))
1352 2010-11-25 16:23:13 <hippich_> as for even - will see once i will get bill from amazon for hosting.
1353 2010-11-25 16:25:21 <hippich_> i think about adding preview functionality - to automatically recognize images/videos and do (hideable) thumbnail.
1354 2010-11-25 16:25:29 <hippich_> also, i need to add accounts.
1355 2010-11-25 16:25:32 <hippich_> next - API.
1356 2010-11-25 16:26:14 <hippich_> ok. c u l4r!
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1360 2010-11-25 16:47:20 <anarchy_> i have an idea that will really make bitcoin big
1361 2010-11-25 16:47:26 <anarchy_> its prob been mentioned before
1362 2010-11-25 16:47:40 <anarchy_> if you have a place where you can easily buy bitcoins with credit card/paypal etc
1363 2010-11-25 16:47:54 <anarchy_> people want to use it on gambling sites
1364 2010-11-25 16:48:02 <anarchy_> if gambling sites accept it.. the volume would be huge
1365 2010-11-25 16:48:12 <anarchy_> cause its not legal for americans to pay with visa/mastercard on gambling sites
1366 2010-11-25 16:49:52 <tcatm> Looks like someone is spamming mtgox?
1367 2010-11-25 16:52:51 <Kiba> I see.
1368 2010-11-25 16:54:09 <Kiba> http://ubitio.us/file/download/28
1369 2010-11-25 16:54:14 <Kiba> I posted a scan of F. A. Hayek
1370 2010-11-25 16:54:19 <Kiba> we'll see how much download it will get
1371 2010-11-25 16:59:19 <anarchy_> ill buy it
1372 2010-11-25 16:59:55 <xelister> what is chance of getting a block that will later be rejected?
1373 2010-11-25 17:00:05 <xelister> i.e. not accepted as main tree, like because of a collision?
1374 2010-11-25 17:00:13 <tcatm> xelister: very small
1375 2010-11-25 17:00:16 <xelister> like 1% of generated blocks? less?
1376 2010-11-25 17:00:55 <tcatm> depends on how good your miner is connected to the network
1377 2010-11-25 17:01:04 <anarchy_> i just bought a $50 gift card on http://www.bitcoin2cc.com/
1378 2010-11-25 17:01:08 <anarchy_> works like a charm
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1380 2010-11-25 17:01:17 <anarchy_> now we need a visa to bitcoin system
1381 2010-11-25 17:01:34 <xelister> tcatm: say on slow but usable connection, 16 KiB/sec, 3000 ms ping everywhere, 4 connections
1382 2010-11-25 17:01:42 <xelister> it should be not higher then 1% right?
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1384 2010-11-25 17:03:19 <tcatm> xelister: 4 connections isn't much. could be higher than 1% in that case
1385 2010-11-25 17:04:00 <tcatm> it takes about 2 minutes for a block to spread all over the network
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1389 2010-11-25 17:17:20 <xelister> ok
1390 2010-11-25 17:22:53 <Kiba> Democracy: We vote to...EAT YOU
1391 2010-11-25 17:23:06 <nanotube> anarchy_: there is a site like that in the works, bitcoingateway.com. it was briefly up for the past couple days as a beta test, now down for a few days for bug-fix
1392 2010-11-25 17:23:20 <nanotube> what's happening with mtgox, all those .004 trades?
1393 2010-11-25 17:23:43 <tcatm> nanotube: most likely spam
1394 2010-11-25 17:24:03 <nanotube> tcatm: yes but... isn't his minimum tx size 10 btc? so how is it possible?
1395 2010-11-25 17:24:26 <tcatm> maybe it's only a javascript check?
1396 2010-11-25 17:25:00 <nanotube> tcatm: well, that'd be... bad site design. :) and i'd hope the btc withdrawal form isn't a javascript-only check
1397 2010-11-25 17:25:10 <nanotube> otherwise... /me goes to withdraw 100k btc from mtgox :P
1398 2010-11-25 17:25:27 <Kiba> so you're sleling 100K btc?
1399 2010-11-25 17:25:49 <tcatm> nanotube: yes, mtgox isn't really well designed
1400 2010-11-25 17:26:21 <Kiba> n0body does the same thing as mtgox does though
1401 2010-11-25 17:26:23 <nanotube> Kiba: no, i don't even have 100k btc. nowhere near. but with a form size check hole, i could try to withdraw it. :)
1402 2010-11-25 17:26:27 <Kiba> imagine we have no mtgox!
1403 2010-11-25 17:26:33 <nanotube> tcatm: mmmm
1404 2010-11-25 17:27:13 <tcatm> my next project after bitcoincharts is an exchange
1405 2010-11-25 17:27:24 <Kiba> open source exchange?
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1407 2010-11-25 17:27:39 <tcatm> maybe
1408 2010-11-25 17:28:00 <Kiba> there's only Liberty reserve dollars
1409 2010-11-25 17:28:03 <Kiba> no euro
1410 2010-11-25 17:28:15 <tcatm> bitcoinexchange.com takes euro
1411 2010-11-25 17:28:15 <Kiba> rubes have super low volume
1412 2010-11-25 17:29:41 <tcatm> btcex RUB is mostly dead
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1414 2010-11-25 17:29:59 <nanotube> tcatm: dwdollar is working on bcmv2...
1415 2010-11-25 17:30:11 <Kiba> dwdollar takes forever
1416 2010-11-25 17:30:37 <nanotube> maybe that means it'll be really good :)
1417 2010-11-25 17:31:23 <tcatm> probably. bcm is already pretty good
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1427 2010-11-25 18:06:29 * Kiba is nervous about his reputation soaring to new height
1428 2010-11-25 18:06:58 <Kiba> I think I prefer to be not-famous
1429 2010-11-25 18:07:47 <nanotube> hehe
1430 2010-11-25 18:11:14 <Kiba> 5000 posts in a month!
1431 2010-11-25 18:13:35 <nanotube> 1000 of those are yours, i bet :D
1432 2010-11-25 18:14:15 <Kiba> nanotube: impossible
1433 2010-11-25 18:14:22 <Kiba> considering that I only have a thousand posts by now
1434 2010-11-25 18:14:42 <Kiba> I would need to make 33.33 posts a day
1435 2010-11-25 18:14:45 <Kiba> to reach a thousand post
1436 2010-11-25 18:14:50 <Kiba> an impossible task I might say
1437 2010-11-25 18:15:17 <nanotube> hehe
1438 2010-11-25 18:15:33 <Kiba> I'll catch up to noagendamarket at the rate I am posting
1439 2010-11-25 18:15:54 <Kiba> 7.8 posts per day compared to noagendamarket's 6.4 posts per day
1440 2010-11-25 18:17:03 <nanotube> heh don't forget that it's about quality, not quantity. :)
1441 2010-11-25 18:18:11 <Kiba> perhaps, but I am responsible for starting two fundraiser, a few bounties...
1442 2010-11-25 18:18:17 <Kiba> I don't even offer the most bitcoins
1443 2010-11-25 18:18:46 <Kiba> my job is primary
1444 2010-11-25 18:18:53 <Kiba> to be a pestering annoying person
1445 2010-11-25 18:19:03 <Kiba> who keep asking you "How's progress?"
1446 2010-11-25 18:19:29 <nanotube> Kiba: hey, i'm not trying to imply anything about the quality of your posts. :) it was just a general statement.
1447 2010-11-25 18:19:54 <nanotube> wow, bitcoin-market is really being spammed with micro-tx from mtgox
1448 2010-11-25 18:20:02 <nanotube> i emailed mtgox about it.
1449 2010-11-25 18:20:05 <Kiba> #bitcoin-market ?
1450 2010-11-25 18:20:09 <nanotube> yep
1451 2010-11-25 18:20:31 <Kiba> somebody buying and selling?
1452 2010-11-25 18:20:33 <nanotube> hehe, it stopped as soon as you joined. :P
1453 2010-11-25 18:20:46 <nanotube> Kiba: dunno... just hundreds of transactions of .004 btc coming through.
1454 2010-11-25 18:20:46 <Kiba> well, they're losing money to mtgox anyway
1455 2010-11-25 18:21:04 <nanotube> ah, there goes the spam started up again
1456 2010-11-25 18:21:14 <Kiba> all that does is make mtgox rich
1457 2010-11-25 18:21:51 <nanotube> well, true, there is the tx fee that mtgox charges. :) but note that even 1000 of these .004 tx is only a total of 4 btc. mtgox makes .65% of that. not making mtgox much of anything.
1458 2010-11-25 18:22:02 <nanotube> so the guy is filling up mtgox's database, at almost zero cost to him.
1459 2010-11-25 18:23:07 <Kiba> maybe it's the same guy who is poking security holes in the bitcoin network
1460 2010-11-25 18:23:23 <nanotube> maybe. if so, he's doing a good job.
1461 2010-11-25 18:23:59 <nanotube> i hope satoshi pushes a new tx fee schedule, where min tx fee is like 1/10 of minimum tx amount. (so currently, .001). that way tx spam becomes costly.
1462 2010-11-25 18:24:19 <nanotube> and i know that after this mtgox will patch whatever hole he has that allows this guy to spam tx as well.
1463 2010-11-25 18:24:26 <nanotube> so it's all for the good of the bitcoin network.
1464 2010-11-25 18:25:44 * Kiba remember a firefox fan who won a check and got on national news because he's young
1465 2010-11-25 18:26:09 <Kiba> all my ubitious activity is profitable
1466 2010-11-25 18:26:25 <Kiba> it's easy to make money when your investment is only .02 and that you only need 3 downloaders to pay off
1467 2010-11-25 18:26:28 <Kiba> and earn a profit
1468 2010-11-25 18:26:34 <Kiba> but it's soooooooooooooo small
1469 2010-11-25 18:27:07 <nanotube> indeed... doesn't seem like a profitable time investment. unless you enjoy drawing anyway, so would do it even without the profit possibility.
1470 2010-11-25 18:27:27 <Kiba> I enjoy drawing
1471 2010-11-25 18:27:39 <Kiba> profit motive just make me draw everyday and practicing my craft
1472 2010-11-25 18:27:45 <Kiba> but it's more of a prosumer hobby
1473 2010-11-25 18:27:59 <Kiba> profit is more of scorekeeping
1474 2010-11-25 18:28:04 <Kiba> rather than being "real serious"
1475 2010-11-25 18:28:16 <Kiba> producing things of value is a hobby
1476 2010-11-25 18:30:09 <nanotube> cool
1477 2010-11-25 18:30:55 <Kiba> anyway, the more I draw, the more fans I collect
1478 2010-11-25 18:31:04 <Kiba> the more fans I collect, the more downloads I get
1479 2010-11-25 18:31:07 <Kiba> the more profit I get
1480 2010-11-25 18:31:42 <Kiba> if I have 100 fans, I get 0.01 BTC
1481 2010-11-25 18:31:46 <Kiba> err
1482 2010-11-25 18:31:47 <Kiba> 1 BTC
1483 2010-11-25 18:34:52 <xelister> Kiba: wanna be famous and get 100 BTC?
1484 2010-11-25 18:35:37 <xelister> do you have webcam and sexy looks of a young chick <_<
1485 2010-11-25 18:36:12 <Kiba> I am not sexy
1486 2010-11-25 18:36:13 <nanotube> lol
1487 2010-11-25 18:36:16 <Kiba> and I am a male
1488 2010-11-25 18:36:28 <Kiba> a fat person who is nonetheless efficent at running
1489 2010-11-25 18:37:59 <xelister> Kiba: well you are making this hard for us
1490 2010-11-25 18:38:22 <xelister> but lets not give up hope, do you have a donkey and wanted to be payed in el pessos
1491 2010-11-25 18:39:05 <xelister> coz I need a video describing Flash - how good it is, or more exactly, what it is doing imho =)
1492 2010-11-25 18:40:40 <xelister> it would help the metaphore if the donkey is well endowed
1493 2010-11-25 18:40:58 <nanotube> xelister: haha
1494 2010-11-25 18:42:20 <xelister> >_>
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1496 2010-11-25 18:43:15 <zc00gii> bitcoin's default binary won't work, and it won't compile, any ideas?
1497 2010-11-25 18:46:04 <xelister> zc00gii: url
1498 2010-11-25 18:46:07 <xelister> zc00gii: url?
1499 2010-11-25 18:46:14 <xelister> which binary exactly
1500 2010-11-25 18:46:23 <zc00gii> xelister: the linux 64 bit binary
1501 2010-11-25 18:46:31 <zc00gii> bitcoin: /usr/lib64/libpng12.so.0: version `PNG12_0' not found (required by bitcoin)
1502 2010-11-25 18:47:24 <zc00gii> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/295988
1503 2010-11-25 18:47:28 <zc00gii> that's when compiling
1504 2010-11-25 18:48:04 <nanotube> zc00gii: you got the 0.3.15 tar.gz off sourceforge, right?
1505 2010-11-25 18:48:10 <zc00gii> ye
1506 2010-11-25 18:48:44 <xelister> zc00gii: myself, I just use the bitcoind (deamon) no gui. it compiles no problem here on ubuntu
1507 2010-11-25 18:49:25 <zc00gii> is bitcoind annoying to use?
1508 2010-11-25 18:49:28 <nanotube> zc00gii: a lot of these look wx-related. and some more seem to be about missing the boost lib
1509 2010-11-25 18:50:02 <nanotube> zc00gii: no, bitcoind works well... just not as pretty as the gui, and you can't see the individual transactions without a listtransactions patch.
1510 2010-11-25 18:50:40 <zc00gii> bitcoind works fine
1511 2010-11-25 18:51:51 <zc00gii> ok, now how do I interface bitcoind?
1512 2010-11-25 18:54:25 <xelister> zc00gii: wget commands as in http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=api&s[]=rpc
1513 2010-11-25 18:54:35 <xelister> zc00gii: or, use ./bitcoind getinfo and similar
1514 2010-11-25 18:54:53 <xelister> so bitcoind is the demon (default) but also can work as the client apparently
1515 2010-11-25 18:56:23 <xelister> curl --user bc --data-binary '{"jsonrpc": "2.0", "id":"curltest", "method": "getinfo", "params": ["free_bitcoins_1"] }' -H 'content-type: text/plain;' http://127.0.0.1:8332/
1516 2010-11-25 18:56:30 <xelister> erm
1517 2010-11-25 18:56:33 <xelister> wrong
1518 2010-11-25 18:56:35 <xelister> corrected:
1519 2010-11-25 18:56:40 <xelister> curl --user bc --data-binary '{"jsonrpc": "2.0", "id":"curltest", "method": "getinfo", "params": [""] }' -H 'content-type: text/plain;' http://127.0.0.1:8332/
1520 2010-11-25 18:58:41 <zc00gii> it's using like
1521 2010-11-25 18:58:43 <zc00gii> no CPU
1522 2010-11-25 18:58:59 <xelister> zc00gii: if you find this usefull, you can give me 0.05 USD (5 cents) by typing (once you have money) - curl --user bc --data-binary '{"jsonrpc": "2.0", "id":"curltest", "method": "sendtoaddress", "params": ["18w7UsctFMHxrbKTnuMFPh9gYqvjm2E2gW", 0.1, "(example description)"] }' -H 'content-type: text/plain;' http://127.0.0.1:8332/
1523 2010-11-25 18:59:57 <xelister> zc00gii: to start generating you need command. but, generating on CPU is not usefull nowdays (it takes months). Better buy some bitcoins for like 10 usd - 300 BTC - http://mtgox.com/
1524 2010-11-25 19:00:04 <zc00gii> how can I get it to abuse my processor more?
1525 2010-11-25 19:00:20 <xelister> in the API linked above saerch for "setgenerate"
1526 2010-11-25 19:00:25 <zc00gii> yeah
1527 2010-11-25 19:00:27 <zc00gii> I did that
1528 2010-11-25 19:00:30 <zc00gii> set it to -1
1529 2010-11-25 19:00:38 <xelister> set true,4 for example
1530 2010-11-25 19:00:44 <xelister> anyway, it will wait first
1531 2010-11-25 19:01:05 <xelister> untill it downloads all blocks (around 100 MB) so like 15-60 minutes, this is one-time wait. Then it will start generating actually
1532 2010-11-25 19:01:48 <xelister> on windows, installer gives error: No write permission to c:/program files/bitcoin/bitcoin.exe
1533 2010-11-25 19:03:51 <lfm> windows 7
1534 2010-11-25 19:07:05 <xelister> yeah, windows7
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1536 2010-11-25 19:21:16 <xelister> it installed now (as admin) but seems to close after few minutes of running
1537 2010-11-25 19:21:24 <xelister> also uninstall seems to not work
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1539 2010-11-25 19:36:06 <xelister> so.. anyone can install bitcoin on windows7? I dont use windows usually
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1544 2010-11-25 19:38:04 * xelister pokes nanotube
1545 2010-11-25 19:43:11 <xelister> windows 7
1546 2010-11-25 19:43:13 <xelister> sucks cooooooooooooooooooooooooooks
1547 2010-11-25 19:43:17 <xelister> bitcoin does too
1548 2010-11-25 19:43:41 <xelister> for 10 minutes the user was thinking bitcoin is not starting, since it auto minimized to stupid tray that is auto hidden on win7 shit
1549 2010-11-25 19:45:44 <edcba> hehe
1550 2010-11-25 19:45:52 <edcba> compatibility...
1551 2010-11-25 20:01:25 <Diablo-D3> xelister: technically hide to tray is broken
1552 2010-11-25 20:01:50 <Diablo-D3> it tries to hide the fact that windows doesnt properly support user spawned background processes acting as non-task oriented services
1553 2010-11-25 20:05:45 <Kiba> bitcoin is slow to startup
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1555 2010-11-25 20:08:36 <nanotube> xelister: why you poke me? :) i don't use windows
1556 2010-11-25 20:09:26 <xelister> well, where are the developers.. are they on channel?
1557 2010-11-25 20:10:10 <Diablo-D3> nope
1558 2010-11-25 20:10:10 <Kiba> I never seen satoshi in this IRC ever in my life
1559 2010-11-25 20:10:13 <Diablo-D3> satoshi is never here
1560 2010-11-25 20:10:19 <Diablo-D3> gavin sometimes is though
1561 2010-11-25 20:10:46 <xelister> satoshi should be more public
1562 2010-11-25 20:11:05 <Diablo-D3> why
1563 2010-11-25 20:11:29 <xelister> well we have centralized development
1564 2010-11-25 20:11:32 <Kiba> if the governmenets to kill bitcoin, satoshi would be it
1565 2010-11-25 20:11:45 <Kiba> well, try to kill
1566 2010-11-25 20:11:49 <xelister> e.g. for freenet, the lead developer stands right over there
1567 2010-11-25 20:12:30 * Kiba wonders if there is a serect anarchist cabal
1568 2010-11-25 20:12:54 <Diablo-D3> Kiba: wouldnt that be an oxymoron?
1569 2010-11-25 20:13:17 <Kiba> Diablo-D3: they would conspires to distribute power, rather than concentrate power
1570 2010-11-25 20:13:40 <zc00gii> lspci | grep "VGA" --> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV516 [Radeon X1300/X1550 Series]
1571 2010-11-25 20:13:45 <zc00gii> does that support OpenCL?
1572 2010-11-25 20:14:36 <Diablo-D3> zc00gii: hell no.
1573 2010-11-25 20:15:17 <Diablo-D3> zc00gii: that doesnt even support the shit ATI had before adopting opencl
1574 2010-11-25 20:15:28 <zc00gii> Diablo-D3: lol
1575 2010-11-25 20:15:30 <Diablo-D3> (that requires either 2000 or 3000 and up)
1576 2010-11-25 20:15:32 <zc00gii> Diablo-D3: where do I know you?
1577 2010-11-25 20:15:43 <wumpus> well satoschi should be developing, not chatting :)
1578 2010-11-25 20:15:51 <Diablo-D3> well, I wrote that bitcoin miner
1579 2010-11-25 20:15:54 <Diablo-D3> and Im everywhere'
1580 2010-11-25 20:15:56 <zc00gii> Diablo-D3: I've seen you in another channel before
1581 2010-11-25 20:16:00 <wumpus> just kidding
1582 2010-11-25 20:16:03 <zc00gii> Diablo-D3: wii scene perhaps?
1583 2010-11-25 20:16:11 <Diablo-D3> zc00gii: no, not wii
1584 2010-11-25 20:16:14 <zc00gii> hmm
1585 2010-11-25 20:16:21 <Diablo-D3> zc00gii: I ported zsnes to linux a long time ago
1586 2010-11-25 20:16:35 <zc00gii> nope, not that
1587 2010-11-25 20:16:36 <zc00gii> hmm
1588 2010-11-25 20:16:51 <Diablo-D3> like I said, I'm everywhere
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1590 2010-11-25 20:18:27 <Diablo-D3> lol #ck
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1592 2010-11-25 20:35:51 <xelister> haha are Americans totall faggots when it comes to defending even OWN rights?
1593 2010-11-25 20:37:39 <xelister> everyone is outraged about tha TSA shit, and yet...
1594 2010-11-25 20:38:27 <xelister> 300 people opted-out. This is a tiny fraction of passengers. It seems the protest fizzled.
1595 2010-11-25 20:42:05 <dwdollar> xelister: http://gizmodo.com/5698536/fliers-claim-tsa-have-deactivated-body-scanners
1596 2010-11-25 20:42:13 <dwdollar> That may explain some of it.
1597 2010-11-25 20:43:26 <dwdollar> That way they can say only 300 people opted out even though most didn't need to. It's clever propaganda.
1598 2010-11-25 20:44:20 <xelister> I think its simply because most Americans are pussies
1599 2010-11-25 20:44:25 <xelister> *nowday's
1600 2010-11-25 20:44:50 <dwdollar> That's part of it too.
1601 2010-11-25 20:45:14 <xelister> well it's part of "most people are idiots" anyway
1602 2010-11-25 20:45:22 <xelister> humanity is disapointing
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1604 2010-11-25 20:51:11 <xelister> using rpc, how to know if bitcoin is yet catched up with network? seeing if last block time is withing last 10 minutes?
1605 2010-11-25 20:53:33 <Kiba> if humanity is awesome, we would be badass battling evil alien invaders already
1606 2010-11-25 20:53:55 <wumpus> heh
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1609 2010-11-25 20:56:13 * wumpus eats xelister
1610 2010-11-25 21:29:22 <Kiba> tcatm: did you do the graphic banner in GIMP? If so, I would like the original xcf file, if possible.
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1620 2010-11-25 22:01:49 <xelister> LobsterMan: hi, how you installed support on windows? Did you needed to install the SDK, and/or some speciall version of windows gfx drivers?
1621 2010-11-25 22:02:44 <xelister> or anyone else that installed for radeons on windows
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1623 2010-11-25 22:24:23 <nanotube> xelister: you could query some other clients on the network as far as total number of blocks. bitcoinwatch, blockexplorer, e.g. if your count is same as theirs, you're caught up.
1624 2010-11-25 22:37:34 <xelister> god I hate windows
1625 2010-11-25 22:37:37 <xelister> it is so faggotize
1626 2010-11-25 22:37:38 <xelister> it is so faggotized
1627 2010-11-25 22:44:17 <Kiba> only 9 impressions today for the campaign
1628 2010-11-25 22:44:31 <xelister> Kiba: what capmaign
1629 2010-11-25 22:48:32 <Kiba> I created an advertising campaign on project wonderful
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1631 2010-11-25 22:59:12 <xelister> url?
1632 2010-11-25 22:59:36 <Kiba> projectwonderful.com?
1633 2010-11-25 22:59:55 <Kiba> https://www.projectwonderful.com/mybids.php?cid=30174
1634 2010-11-25 23:05:35 <wereHamster> the mac client isn't updated much, eh?
1635 2010-11-25 23:07:02 <nanotube> wereHamster: how so? isn't the .15 version available for mac as well?
1636 2010-11-25 23:07:12 <wereHamster> .13 is the latest on the homepage
1637 2010-11-25 23:07:18 <wereHamster> and linux/win are on .17
1638 2010-11-25 23:07:37 <nanotube> wereHamster: oh i see that... ooh when did .17 happen?
1639 2010-11-25 23:08:05 <wereHamster> how much is 400 btc worth now?
1640 2010-11-25 23:09:03 <nanotube> oh, just today, the .17 release.
1641 2010-11-25 23:09:16 <nanotube> wereHamster: btc is about .28 usd per btc
1642 2010-11-25 23:09:26 <nanotube> ;;math calc 400*.28
1643 2010-11-25 23:09:26 <gribble> 112
1644 2010-11-25 23:09:49 <wereHamster> not bad..
1645 2010-11-25 23:09:56 <nanotube> indeed :)
1646 2010-11-25 23:10:03 <wereHamster> the price went up in the last months, right?
1647 2010-11-25 23:10:15 <nanotube> yep. see bitcoincharts.com for some nice charts
1648 2010-11-25 23:11:27 <wereHamster> nice website
1649 2010-11-25 23:12:17 <wereHamster> last I followed the community somone was about to announce a big project which was supposed to use bitcoin. Did that happen already?
1650 2010-11-25 23:14:09 <nanotube> wereHamster: there are quite a few...
1651 2010-11-25 23:14:22 <nanotube> so i have no idea what project that was. :)
1652 2010-11-25 23:14:35 <nanotube> check out bitcoin.org/trade
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1654 2010-11-25 23:16:46 <nanotube> btw, the charts site is made by tcatm so your compliments go to him. :)
1655 2010-11-25 23:16:49 <wereHamster> someone was running a large farm of servers crunching numbers and had a couple thousand btcs
1656 2010-11-25 23:17:20 <nanotube> that's... still going on. ArtForz has a couple dozen GPUs doing the mining, and there are several smaller farmers as well.
1657 2010-11-25 23:17:27 <nanotube> GPUs is where the action is these days :)
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1662 2010-11-25 23:44:12 <wereHamster> what's the current block count?
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