1 2010-11-27 00:00:03 <Diablo-D3> Kiba: a religion?!
   2 2010-11-27 00:00:25 <Kiba> I got an idea...
   3 2010-11-27 00:00:43 <Kiba> Satoshi is hanging out with us in a presentation by one of the bitcoiner about theory about who Satoshi really is
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   5 2010-11-27 00:00:52 <Kiba> turns..out..nobody guess he's actually a girl!
   6 2010-11-27 00:00:57 <Diablo-D3> dude
   7 2010-11-27 00:01:01 <Diablo-D3> if satoshi is a girl
   8 2010-11-27 00:01:03 <Diablo-D3> I have dibs
   9 2010-11-27 00:01:09 <Kiba> dibs?
  10 2010-11-27 00:01:15 <Diablo-D3> dibs.
  11 2010-11-27 00:01:48 <MT`AwAy> turns out his real name is not Satoshi?
  12 2010-11-27 00:02:00 <Diablo-D3> turns out hes really a 9 foot tall black guy
  13 2010-11-27 00:02:08 <Diablo-D3> or an alien
  14 2010-11-27 00:02:15 <Diablo-D3> or an alien that looks like a japnese loli
  15 2010-11-27 00:02:20 <Diablo-D3> a goth loli
  16 2010-11-27 00:02:28 <Diablo-D3> who wears glasses
  17 2010-11-27 00:02:50 <MT`AwAy> Diablo-D3, you seem to have an interest in loli
  18 2010-11-27 00:02:54 <Diablo-D3> not at all
  19 2010-11-27 00:03:15 <Diablo-D3> its called "diablo is making fun of japanese sterotypes"
  20 2010-11-27 00:03:23 <MT`AwAy> :p
  21 2010-11-27 00:03:34 <MT`AwAy> there are still some ganguro here
  22 2010-11-27 00:03:37 <MT`AwAy> hard to find nowaday
  23 2010-11-27 00:03:40 <Diablo-D3> oh god
  24 2010-11-27 00:03:40 <MT`AwAy> but not dead
  25 2010-11-27 00:03:44 <Diablo-D3> why isnt it DEAD
  26 2010-11-27 00:03:52 <Diablo-D3> thats the stupidest shit ever
  27 2010-11-27 00:03:54 <MT`AwAy> was wondering the same
  28 2010-11-27 00:04:11 <MT`AwAy> when I saw a small group of 3 ganguro a few weeks ago
  29 2010-11-27 00:05:01 <MT`AwAy> anyway here's the point: BTC in Japan is still a pain
  30 2010-11-27 00:06:17 <Diablo-D3> btw, it could have been worse
  31 2010-11-27 00:07:16 <Diablo-D3> I could have said an alien that can do a grade a zettai ryouiki
  32 2010-11-27 00:08:48 <brocktice> 
  33 2010-11-27 00:09:51 <Diablo-D3> + twin tails
  34 2010-11-27 00:10:15 <theymos> Anyone want to make a favicon for Bitcoin Block Explorer in return for BTC?
  35 2010-11-27 00:10:40 <tcatm> sure
  36 2010-11-27 00:10:58 <tcatm> any idea how it should look like?
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  38 2010-11-27 00:12:17 <theymos> tcatm: Maybe a magnifying glass over the Bitcoin logo. I'm not a designer, though -- any better ideas?
  39 2010-11-27 00:13:01 <tcatm> my first ideas was just some tiny 0s and in front of the bitcoin logo
  40 2010-11-27 00:13:27 <xelister> Diablo-D3: your miner sucks cock on 5970, just 270 M and eats 400% cpu
  41 2010-11-27 00:13:34 <tcatm> but i'll try the magnifying glass idea first
  42 2010-11-27 00:14:41 <theymos> tcatm: OK. Is 100 BTC acceptable?
  43 2010-11-27 00:14:42 <Diablo-D3> xelister: fail
  44 2010-11-27 00:14:47 <Diablo-D3> xelister: you're on 2.2
  45 2010-11-27 00:14:50 <tcatm> theymos: sure
  46 2010-11-27 00:14:52 <xelister> Im on 2.
  47 2010-11-27 00:14:53 <xelister> Im on 2.1
  48 2010-11-27 00:14:59 <Diablo-D3> xelister: you're full of shit then
  49 2010-11-27 00:15:10 <Diablo-D3> it uses almost no cpu on any known hardware
  50 2010-11-27 00:15:26 <Diablo-D3> xelister: and you probably forgot to turn crossfire off
  51 2010-11-27 00:15:28 <xelister> using sdk 2.1 your miner gives 270M, so does m0m's (but your's using 400% cpu, m0ms 0)
  52 2010-11-27 00:15:36 <Diablo-D3> and if you're on 2.1, you need to use -a
  53 2010-11-27 00:15:36 <xelister> wait, scrossshit. indeed
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  56 2010-11-27 00:22:42 <tcatm> annoying. i got a new mouse and i my hand hurts when drawing with it.
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  59 2010-11-27 00:28:53 <xelister> Diablo-D3: still 270
  60 2010-11-27 00:29:23 <xelister> Diablo-D3: yours miner totally kills computer with even -f 30
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  62 2010-11-27 00:33:24 <lazarus_> ;;bc,stats
  63 2010-11-27 00:33:27 <gribble> Current Blocks: 94041 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94752 | Next Difficulty In: 711 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 11 hours, 43 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 7553.34078434
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  65 2010-11-27 00:35:13 <xelister> Diablo-D3: any idea how to fix it
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  69 2010-11-27 00:41:36 <tcatm> theymos: http://bitcoincharts.com/media/stuff/bitcoinexplorer_favicon.ico
  70 2010-11-27 00:42:15 <theymos> That looks great! Thanks! What's your BC address?
  71 2010-11-27 00:42:54 <tcatm> 17xW2taBfoaZpsZ4DvNmvq5aNS2nSHnD4L
  72 2010-11-27 00:43:10 <theymos> Sent.
  73 2010-11-27 00:43:14 <tcatm> thanks
  74 2010-11-27 00:47:02 <xelister> bash DiabloMiner-Linux.sh -f 300 -u bc -p x
  75 2010-11-27 00:47:04 <xelister> Added Cypress (20 CU, 1x vector, local work size of 256)
  76 2010-11-27 00:47:05 <xelister> Added Cypress (20 CU, 1x vector, local work size of 256)
  77 2010-11-27 00:47:07 <xelister> Started at Nov 27, 2010 1:23:50 AM
  78 2010-11-27 00:47:08 <xelister> 272475 khash/sec
  79 2010-11-27 00:54:13 <LobsterMan> http://www.newslobster.com/random/crows-vs-cat-vs-cat-street-fight
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  81 2010-11-27 01:01:25 <jgarzik> sweet.  my program works under Windows, and I did not need Windows for development -or- testing.
  82 2010-11-27 01:03:11 <xelister> LobsterMan:  lol wtf
  83 2010-11-27 01:03:24 <xelister> jgarzik: that is awesome.  Trying to do same for bitcoin... it sucls ;)
  84 2010-11-27 01:03:40 <LobsterMan> hehe
  85 2010-11-27 01:03:41 <LobsterMan> :]
  86 2010-11-27 01:03:58 <xelister> bitcoin --> openssl(problems) + db(libgz and others) + boost() + wxwideget optionally
  87 2010-11-27 01:04:06 <jgarzik> bitcoind is easy
  88 2010-11-27 01:04:27 <jgarzik> on fedora 13, I only needed to build openssl myself
  89 2010-11-27 01:04:35 <xelister> did you setup all to crossbuild bitcoind ?
  90 2010-11-27 01:04:47 <xelister> from linux to windows exe
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  92 2010-11-27 01:05:17 <jgarzik> ah.  no, screw windows.   :)
  93 2010-11-27 01:05:25 <xelister> :P
  94 2010-11-27 01:05:34 <LobsterMan> boost is a bitch
  95 2010-11-27 01:05:37 <xelister> well Im trying to make program for poor-windows-users, while screwing windows. a bit hard
  96 2010-11-27 01:05:42 <jgarzik> here's my Fedora makefile, so much more simple than upstream:  http://gtf.org/garzik/misc/Makefile
  97 2010-11-27 01:05:47 <jgarzik> fedora platform boost works great
  98 2010-11-27 01:05:55 <jgarzik> 685 bytes of pure makefile goodness
  99 2010-11-27 01:06:03 <LobsterMan> lol
 100 2010-11-27 01:06:03 <xelister> LobsterMan: surprisngly, so far boost crossbuilded no problem after just like 30 minutes.  problems I have yet with openssl
 101 2010-11-27 01:06:26 <LobsterMan> i was able to get ssl to build, boost was giving me a shitstorm though
 102 2010-11-27 01:06:43 <xelister> but you where building boost (neat) or crossbuilding (totall awesomness)
 103 2010-11-27 01:06:51 <jgarzik> xelister: fedora ships mingw32-openssl pre-built
 104 2010-11-27 01:06:53 <LobsterMan> i did a full stage
 105 2010-11-27 01:06:55 <LobsterMan> whatever that means
 106 2010-11-27 01:07:02 <LobsterMan> i was building it with mingw natively under windows
 107 2010-11-27 01:07:05 <jgarzik> xelister: if you can build a Fedora package, you can build your own openssl DLLs
 108 2010-11-27 01:07:17 <xelister> jgarzik: ooh? neat.  what about  -db and -boost though. and perhaps wxwidgets
 109 2010-11-27 01:07:36 <jgarzik> xelister: you are a sadomasochist
 110 2010-11-27 01:07:37 <LobsterMan> xelister you can just use the dlls that come with the bitcoin .zip file for windows....at least you should be able to
 111 2010-11-27 01:07:41 <xelister> would be neat if some distro would be 100% crossbuilder friendly,  provide  mingw-  (crossbuild to windows libraries) versions of all (or most) libs
 112 2010-11-27 01:08:00 <xelister> LobsterMan: but to crossbuild you also need the  .a  part afair not just the .dll thing
 113 2010-11-27 01:08:10 <xelister> and .h  but that is trivial
 114 2010-11-27 01:08:10 <jgarzik> Red Hat employes mingw primary maintainer.  We put a lot of engineering work into making Fedora mingw32 cross-build environment work.
 115 2010-11-27 01:08:25 <jgarzik> mingw32-configure makes life really easy
 116 2010-11-27 01:08:26 * xelister consideres redhat/fedora for crossbuilding distro
 117 2010-11-27 01:10:06 * xelister whips Diablo-D3
 118 2010-11-27 01:10:13 <xelister> Diablo-D3: can you help with your miner please :)
 119 2010-11-27 01:12:55 <Diablo-D3> what
 120 2010-11-27 01:13:08 <Diablo-D3> [07:21:13] <xelister> Diablo-D3: yours miner totally kills computer with even -f 30
 121 2010-11-27 01:13:22 <Diablo-D3> -f needs to go up, not down, to fix X raping
 122 2010-11-27 01:13:43 <Diablo-D3> [07:38:52] <xelister> bash DiabloMiner-Linux.sh -f 300 -u bc -p x
 123 2010-11-27 01:13:45 <Diablo-D3> you still forgot -a
 124 2010-11-27 01:20:44 <xelister> no such option -a
 125 2010-11-27 01:21:01 * xelister pools
 126 2010-11-27 01:21:52 <xelister> yeah I know it needs to go up, tought 30 is enough
 127 2010-11-27 01:22:15 <xelister> Diablo-D3: should I change the CL file as usuall ?
 128 2010-11-27 01:22:40 <xelister> yey, for tab-format-change raping git diff
 129 2010-11-27 01:23:01 <xelister> ok I see new CL includes some config stuff now
 130 2010-11-27 01:25:56 <xelister> 450 M... better, but still not 600.  Card is not o.c. whats expected speed for 5970 ?
 131 2010-11-27 01:28:28 <Diablo-D3> xelister: erm, dude, your shit is out of date
 132 2010-11-27 01:28:36 <Diablo-D3> dont talk to me until you've updated
 133 2010-11-27 01:28:42 <Diablo-D3> and it defaults at 60
 134 2010-11-27 01:28:44 <Diablo-D3> -f does
 135 2010-11-27 01:28:58 <xelister> updated what?  Im on newest git.  I can  use SDK 2.2 if it is recomended
 136 2010-11-27 01:29:09 <xelister> have both SDKs installed
 137 2010-11-27 01:29:13 <Diablo-D3> xelister: no, you're not on newest git
 138 2010-11-27 01:29:18 <Diablo-D3> -a has been there for several days
 139 2010-11-27 01:29:28 <xelister> I updated 10 minutes ago
 140 2010-11-27 01:29:37 <Diablo-D3> git pull && mvn package
 141 2010-11-27 01:29:54 <xelister> duuh
 142 2010-11-27 01:29:56 <xelister> of course I did that
 143 2010-11-27 01:30:08 <xelister> mvn clean package  even
 144 2010-11-27 01:31:00 <Diablo-D3> if it says -a is not there, then you're wrong.
 145 2010-11-27 01:31:07 <xelister> sigh
 146 2010-11-27 01:31:23 <xelister> I said -a is not there,   THEN I git pull and mvn clean package  and tested again
 147 2010-11-27 01:31:24 <Diablo-D3>     options.addOption("a", "bitalign", false, "force bitalign on for Radeon 5xxx + ATI SDK 2.1");
 148 2010-11-27 01:31:47 <xelister> now the speed is better, 525M instead of 270M before updated
 149 2010-11-27 01:31:56 <xelister> is 525M the expected speed for 5970 non-o.c. ?
 150 2010-11-27 01:32:06 <Diablo-D3> think so
 151 2010-11-27 01:32:12 <xelister> oh ok then :)
 152 2010-11-27 01:32:14 <Diablo-D3> at least its in the right ballpark
 153 2010-11-27 01:33:57 <Diablo-D3> xelister: oc'ed I think its in the low 600s
 154 2010-11-27 01:34:26 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: what did you say non-oc 5970 did?
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 156 2010-11-27 01:37:51 <xelister> Diablo-D3: I have a phone call for you
 157 2010-11-27 01:38:17 <xelister> it's my CPU and desktop.  Arrrghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh nooo! noo Im a virgin.. no Im only 17... Nooo not that hole aaaaaaa
 158 2010-11-27 01:38:31 <xelister> en with -f 500
 159 2010-11-27 01:38:34 <xelister> even with -f 500
 160 2010-11-27 01:39:02 <Diablo-D3> the closer you get to theoretical maximum, the more it fucks over your machine
 161 2010-11-27 01:39:28 <xelister> cpu use is 0%.  If I alt-tab x3 and move mouse over my konversation irc client, cpu jumps to 400% and mouse cursor moves at 1 or 2 FPS/
 162 2010-11-27 01:39:47 <xelister> you did goofed somewhere
 163 2010-11-27 01:39:52 <Diablo-D3> no
 164 2010-11-27 01:39:54 <Diablo-D3> qt did
 165 2010-11-27 01:39:56 <Diablo-D3> thats a known qt bug
 166 2010-11-27 01:40:01 <xelister> hm?
 167 2010-11-27 01:40:11 <xelister> slowing down diablo's bitcoin minier? :>
 168 2010-11-27 01:40:17 <xelister> needles redraws?
 169 2010-11-27 01:40:24 <Diablo-D3> high gpu usage + interaction with a qt app, qt goes apeshit
 170 2010-11-27 01:40:42 <Diablo-D3> does it with certain usages of GL too
 171 2010-11-27 01:40:49 <Diablo-D3> annoys the fucking shit out of kde users
 172 2010-11-27 01:41:24 <xelister> hm. but somehow m0m's seemed to not have / to have lesser of this problem
 173 2010-11-27 01:41:43 <Diablo-D3> m0's doesnt approach theoretical maximum as close as mine does
 174 2010-11-27 01:41:47 <Diablo-D3> mine is designed for rape
 175 2010-11-27 01:42:24 <xelister> at 5770 you both are good, well afiak your where +3/160 so +1%
 176 2010-11-27 01:42:53 <xelister> Diablo-D3: I need a miner that plays nicelly
 177 2010-11-27 01:43:01 <xelister> good for NOT! dedicated boxes
 178 2010-11-27 01:43:11 <Diablo-D3> xelister: try -f 1000
 179 2010-11-27 01:43:12 <xelister> even, that you can play games along side of it (ofc. it will slow down)
 180 2010-11-27 01:43:17 <xelister> can yours be modified to do that?
 181 2010-11-27 01:43:31 <Diablo-D3> you're asking the wrong person for that
 182 2010-11-27 01:43:35 <Diablo-D3> thats up to ATI
 183 2010-11-27 01:43:49 <Diablo-D3> they could make opencl apps play nicely no matter how badly they behaved
 184 2010-11-27 01:44:00 <xelister> obviouslty the -f flag doesnt really mean "target FPS", if I need 1000 to get like 30 fps in my other app(s)
 185 2010-11-27 01:44:28 <xelister> can you work around this, by detecting load on GPU or something, and pausing the miner for split second or something
 186 2010-11-27 01:44:34 <Diablo-D3> -f DOES mean target FPS
 187 2010-11-27 01:44:45 <Diablo-D3> it means _target_ fps
 188 2010-11-27 01:44:46 <Diablo-D3> as in
 189 2010-11-27 01:44:49 <Diablo-D3> it targets it
 190 2010-11-27 01:44:54 <xelister> btw I was correct
 191 2010-11-27 01:44:58 <xelister> -f does not help,
 192 2010-11-27 01:44:59 <xelister> but -w does
 193 2010-11-27 01:45:00 <Diablo-D3> xelister: btw, how do you expect me to detect load?
 194 2010-11-27 01:45:10 <Diablo-D3> thats not part of opencl.
 195 2010-11-27 01:45:11 <xelister> same effect was with 5770 card, only for your miner (not for m0ms)
 196 2010-11-27 01:45:18 <Diablo-D3> btw, I recommend -w 64
 197 2010-11-27 01:45:26 <Diablo-D3> should get more mhash
 198 2010-11-27 01:45:31 <xelister> for 5770 -w 64 was slower noticibly
 199 2010-11-27 01:45:33 <xelister> afair
 200 2010-11-27 01:45:57 <Diablo-D3> shouldnt have been.
 201 2010-11-27 01:46:13 <Diablo-D3> xelister: what driver you on? 10.10?
 202 2010-11-27 01:46:27 <xelister> something in bettween, that ubuntu provides
 203 2010-11-27 01:46:31 <xelister> between 10.9 and 10.10
 204 2010-11-27 01:46:50 <Diablo-D3> oh that thing
 205 2010-11-27 01:46:52 <Diablo-D3> dont use it
 206 2010-11-27 01:46:56 <Diablo-D3> its known to be broken
 207 2010-11-27 01:46:58 <xelister> what use then?
 208 2010-11-27 01:47:10 <xelister> well it minies fine... it plays fine.. it hangs not so often
 209 2010-11-27 01:47:20 <Diablo-D3> it shouldnt hang ever
 210 2010-11-27 01:47:34 <xelister> btw, last time I used ATI on windows, like 5..7 years ago ... it ALSO hanged all the time.  What it is with Ati and drivers QA
 211 2010-11-27 01:47:48 <Diablo-D3> 5 to 7 years ago, ATI wasnt owned by AMD
 212 2010-11-27 01:47:54 <Diablo-D3> your opinion and experience is invalid
 213 2010-11-27 01:48:06 <xelister> well, now I use Ati.. it still hangs
 214 2010-11-27 01:48:10 <xelister> I use Ati on 2 boxes at least
 215 2010-11-27 01:48:14 <Diablo-D3> then I suspect its user error
 216 2010-11-27 01:48:20 <xelister> on both often (daily) I see in dmesg  errors/warnings from ATI
 217 2010-11-27 01:48:22 <Diablo-D3> AMD has the best drivers Ive ever seen now
 218 2010-11-27 01:48:29 <Diablo-D3> no, dmesg warnings are normal
 219 2010-11-27 01:48:32 <xelister> nothing like that from nvidia.  And on nvidia hang/crash was like 1 per month
 220 2010-11-27 01:48:45 <Diablo-D3> nvidia crashes are pretty normal, ask any nvidia user
 221 2010-11-27 01:48:51 <xelister> I am the nvidia user
 222 2010-11-27 01:48:53 <Diablo-D3> nvidia on linux is absolute shit
 223 2010-11-27 01:48:56 <Diablo-D3> well
 224 2010-11-27 01:49:00 <Diablo-D3> if you're an nvidia user
 225 2010-11-27 01:49:02 <Diablo-D3> quit being a fag
 226 2010-11-27 01:49:03 * xelister many boxes motherfuckers. I own them
 227 2010-11-27 01:49:04 <Diablo-D3> and test my miner
 228 2010-11-27 01:49:18 <Diablo-D3> I wanna see what -w, -v, and -s does on nvidia
 229 2010-11-27 01:49:41 <xelister> it kills kittens <_<
 230 2010-11-27 01:52:26 <Diablo-D3> well, -s works extremely well on 4xxx
 231 2010-11-27 01:52:27 <xelister> Diablo-D3: I dont have it now in any box. if I do later then ok,
 232 2010-11-27 01:52:34 <xelister> but I thought we dont care about nvidias ?
 233 2010-11-27 01:52:38 <Diablo-D3> we dont
 234 2010-11-27 01:52:41 <Diablo-D3> but if -s works well
 235 2010-11-27 01:52:47 <Diablo-D3> then at least I know whats wrong with nvidia
 236 2010-11-27 01:55:20 <xelister> brb
 237 2010-11-27 01:55:21 <Diablo-D3> otoh
 238 2010-11-27 01:55:25 <xelister> got to armor my box
 239 2010-11-27 01:55:25 <Diablo-D3> -s may just make it crash
 240 2010-11-27 01:55:29 <xelister> my cat wants to go out.
 241 2010-11-27 01:55:36 <xelister> I guess radeon would not like it
 242 2010-11-27 01:55:40 <Diablo-D3> 5xxx doesnt
 243 2010-11-27 01:55:43 <xelister> since case is open <_<
 244 2010-11-27 01:55:44 <Diablo-D3> its slower and periodically crashes
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 253 2010-11-27 03:04:12 <jgarzik> our IRC seeding contact point is apparently "irc.smutfairy.com"
 254 2010-11-27 03:04:13 <jgarzik> nice.
 255 2010-11-27 03:04:18 <jgarzik> </sarcasm>
 256 2010-11-27 03:05:44 <lfm> special one just for you
 257 2010-11-27 03:06:31 <theymos> http://irc.lfnet.org/ (NSFW)
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 259 2010-11-27 03:19:58 <brocktice> woo, no more rebuilding the damn client all the time for the getwork patch
 260 2010-11-27 03:20:21 <brocktice> satoshi mainlined it and m0mchil made the necessary fixes to match satoshi's getwork.
 261 2010-11-27 03:20:38 <brocktice> and now my miner has been updated to incorporate m0mchil's changes and it works fine
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 274 2010-11-27 05:39:03 <theymos> http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/6806/webmasteroy.png <-Google had better get to work crawling BBE. ;)
 275 2010-11-27 05:42:52 <Kiba> hmm, future artwork will feature MOAR hands
 276 2010-11-27 05:42:56 <Kiba> gottach be good at drawing hands
 277 2010-11-27 05:43:12 <Kiba> practice, practice, practice.
 278 2010-11-27 05:43:48 <Kiba> hmm, I should defintely practice different poses next time too
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 310 2010-11-27 09:08:09 <Kiba> I don't feel so generous anymore..
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 320 2010-11-27 10:52:02 <UukGoblin> where's that diablo bastard when you need him ;p
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 322 2010-11-27 10:52:52 <nathan7>  11:43:48 < UukGoblin> where's that diablo bastard when you need him ;p
 323 2010-11-27 10:52:59 <nathan7> Last two things containing Diablo
 324 2010-11-27 10:54:19 <UukGoblin> yeah thanks ;)
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 328 2010-11-27 11:22:14 <T_X> hmm, hehe, I'd also have a question for him :D
 329 2010-11-27 11:22:44 <T_X> or maybe somebody else could help me out with what might be wrong with Diablo's bitcoin miner in my case?
 330 2010-11-27 11:22:44 <T_X> Exception in thread "main" java.net.SocketException: Network is unreachable
 331 2010-11-27 11:22:49 <T_X> m0mchil's miner works fine
 332 2010-11-27 11:23:08 <T_X> tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:8332          0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      1000       33419       7096/bitcoind
 333 2010-11-27 11:23:13 <T_X> that's there
 334 2010-11-27 11:27:21 <T_X> hmm, ah, my bad, forgot to recompile after a git pull :D. now I have a different problem:
 335 2010-11-27 11:27:32 <T_X> Added GeForce 8600M GT (4 CU, 1x vector, local work size of clang: Too many positional arguments specified!
 336 2010-11-27 11:28:16 <T_X> ./DiabloMiner-Linux.sh -u <user> -p <pass> (as it also works for m0mchil's, from the bitcoin.conf
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 339 2010-11-27 12:29:52 <UukGoblin> T_X, that's a weird one
 340 2010-11-27 12:30:17 <T_X> UukGoblin: hmm, yeah. made a ticket on github for that
 341 2010-11-27 12:30:56 <T_X> UukGoblin: seems to have been introduced by https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner/commit/2d41fe74fa0c025ba9dddc96590e16650b7f9762 for me
 342 2010-11-27 12:31:17 <T_X> but anyway, even one version befor that one, I still have the network unreachable issue
 343 2010-11-27 12:33:17 <UukGoblin> can you telnet 127.0.0.1 8332?
 344 2010-11-27 12:34:04 <UukGoblin> kinda odd, this "clang"
 345 2010-11-27 12:36:30 <UukGoblin> you have the latest one, right? he committed something yesterday
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 347 2010-11-27 12:37:22 <UukGoblin> thear he is :>
 348 2010-11-27 12:37:50 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, works ok with sdk 2.1 and -a
 349 2010-11-27 12:38:17 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: better than m0's?
 350 2010-11-27 12:38:18 <UukGoblin> with default -f, starts at ~260mhash and slowly goes up to 330
 351 2010-11-27 12:38:35 <UukGoblin> with -f 5, starts at 350 and slowly goes down to 335
 352 2010-11-27 12:38:49 <UukGoblin> so slightly better than m0
 353 2010-11-27 12:39:22 <UukGoblin> although hard to say by how much, cause his counter is "current" whereas yours is an average since start
 354 2010-11-27 12:40:40 <UukGoblin> aticonfig still reports both gpu usage at 99%
 355 2010-11-27 12:42:10 <UukGoblin> T_X has a weird problem on his geforce
 356 2010-11-27 12:43:28 <T_X> Diablo-D3: yep, made a ticket on your github repo. let me know if you need any additional information
 357 2010-11-27 12:44:22 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, did you say you recommend reducing -w on 5770?
 358 2010-11-27 12:45:33 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: yes
 359 2010-11-27 12:45:39 <Diablo-D3> -w 64 seems to be the correct value
 360 2010-11-27 12:45:43 <Diablo-D3> but you have to test it
 361 2010-11-27 12:45:52 <UukGoblin> ok lemme try it
 362 2010-11-27 12:46:05 <UukGoblin> it takes several minutes before i get a sensible value
 363 2010-11-27 12:46:10 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: -v and -w are "test all the valid values in combination until you find one that works great"
 364 2010-11-27 12:46:33 <Diablo-D3> -w 64 -v 1 seems to be the best for 5xxx, maybe -w 128
 365 2010-11-27 12:47:10 <Diablo-D3> default is -w 256 -v 1 on anything radeon
 366 2010-11-27 12:47:30 <Diablo-D3> actually, -v 1 is hardcoded default due to 4xxx bugs >_>
 367 2010-11-27 12:47:38 <Diablo-D3> T_X: as for your bug...
 368 2010-11-27 12:47:50 <UukGoblin> -f as i understand it relates to X responsiveness which i don't need - so lower gives better i think?
 369 2010-11-27 12:48:20 <Diablo-D3> yes
 370 2010-11-27 12:48:23 <Diablo-D3> try -f 1
 371 2010-11-27 12:48:48 <UukGoblin> yeah, running on -f 1 -w 64 -v 1 now
 372 2010-11-27 12:49:27 <Diablo-D3> -f 1 is also perfect for benchmarking mode
 373 2010-11-27 12:49:36 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt let X or any app get in the way of the rape
 374 2010-11-27 12:49:49 <UukGoblin> at around 337 now
 375 2010-11-27 12:49:55 <Diablo-D3> so this is fun
 376 2010-11-27 12:50:00 <Diablo-D3> I have a window with my github tab in it
 377 2010-11-27 12:50:02 <Diablo-D3> I cant find it
 378 2010-11-27 12:50:28 <Diablo-D3> wait, here we go
 379 2010-11-27 12:51:13 <Diablo-D3> hrm
 380 2010-11-27 12:51:22 <UukGoblin> when you have a sec, adding a "current" counter (like a ~3-sec average or something) would be cool
 381 2010-11-27 12:51:41 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: less than "forever" seems to give misleading results
 382 2010-11-27 12:52:15 <UukGoblin> i mean, as an additional one
 383 2010-11-27 12:52:23 <Diablo-D3> more than one is confusing
 384 2010-11-27 12:52:33 <Diablo-D3> the only thing I'd consider is rolling 30 second averages
 385 2010-11-27 12:52:46 <UukGoblin> or a cli arg ;)
 386 2010-11-27 12:52:55 <Diablo-D3> doesnt it have enough args? ;)
 387 2010-11-27 12:53:09 <Diablo-D3> T_X: what version of the driver you on?
 388 2010-11-27 12:53:38 <UukGoblin> there's NEVER enough args ;)
 389 2010-11-27 12:54:13 <T_X> I updated to the the debian experimental packets manually yesterday, so (hopefully) the related packages are all on 256.53-2 now
 390 2010-11-27 12:54:42 <UukGoblin> more than 1 would be confusing to noobs, but i think it's safe to say 99% of your users aren't noob
 391 2010-11-27 12:54:51 <Diablo-D3> T_X: 260.19.21 seems to be newest
 392 2010-11-27 12:55:03 <T_X> arghlbrr
 393 2010-11-27 12:55:15 <Diablo-D3> T_X: this seems to be a driver bug
 394 2010-11-27 12:55:16 <T_X> but there's no 260.xx package for debian yet ;)
 395 2010-11-27 12:55:21 <T_X> hm, okay
 396 2010-11-27 12:55:31 <Diablo-D3> especially since it blows up in clang
 397 2010-11-27 12:55:35 <Diablo-D3> wait
 398 2010-11-27 12:55:39 <Diablo-D3> why the hell is it using clang?
 399 2010-11-27 12:55:54 <T_X> I actually don't know, why the maintainer updated the amd64 packages to 260 something, but i386 only to 256.xx
 400 2010-11-27 12:56:37 <Diablo-D3> jesus christ, does everyone use llvm/clang for opencl now?
 401 2010-11-27 13:00:25 <Diablo-D3> T_X: and m0's doesnt do this?
 402 2010-11-27 13:00:55 <T_X> Diablo-D3: yep, m0's runs fine
 403 2010-11-27 13:01:06 <Diablo-D3> what in holy hell did nvidia do wrong this time
 404 2010-11-27 13:01:26 <T_X> though slow as fuck :). but guess that's due to the graphics card :)
 405 2010-11-27 13:01:39 <Diablo-D3> heh, I wish mine worked on yours
 406 2010-11-27 13:01:45 <Diablo-D3> I wanna know what -s does on nvidia hardware
 407 2010-11-27 13:03:29 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, -w 64 went down to ~335 so no difference really
 408 2010-11-27 13:03:30 <T_X> slow as fuck = ~1950khash/s on m0's, 100% cpu usage of one core. I tried a couple of other revisions in your repo. if I wasn't getting the error stated in the ticket, I got a "network unreachable error". though it somehow still showed a khash/s value of ~3500 on some of your miner's revisions
 409 2010-11-27 13:03:52 <UukGoblin> perhaps would make a difference with higher -f
 410 2010-11-27 13:03:58 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: possibly.
 411 2010-11-27 13:04:46 <Diablo-D3> T_X: my miner doesn't work with satoshi's getwork yet, only m0's
 412 2010-11-27 13:04:55 <UukGoblin> so m0's was genereally doing ~330 max, but it sometimes went down a bit lower to ~325
 413 2010-11-27 13:05:14 <T_X> Diablo-D3: ah! that explains a lot for the networking unreachable problem
 414 2010-11-27 13:05:28 <UukGoblin> so i guess an average would be around 327, giving yours about a 2-3% boost
 415 2010-11-27 13:05:50 <UukGoblin> oh satoshi added getwork?
 416 2010-11-27 13:06:07 <Diablo-D3> yeah, but its incompatible with my and m0's miner, and I think m0 recently fixed his
 417 2010-11-27 13:06:13 <Diablo-D3> so its on my todo list to fix mine at some point
 418 2010-11-27 13:07:03 <Diablo-D3> T_X: figure out what the newest revision is that says network unreachable
 419 2010-11-27 13:11:07 <T_X> one before 2d41fe74fa0c025ba9dddc96590e16650b7f9762 (=f7cf4687c249929897241836fd60437fa6828bb5) has the network unreachable instead:
 420 2010-11-27 13:11:10 <T_X> + a segfault
 421 2010-11-27 13:11:23 <T_X> Added GeForce 8600M GT (4 CU, 1x vector, local work size of 256)
 422 2010-11-27 13:11:23 <T_X> Can't connect to Bitcoin: Network is unreachable
 423 2010-11-27 13:11:23 <T_X> Can't connect to Bitcoin: Network is unreachable
 424 2010-11-27 13:11:23 <T_X> Can't connect to Bitcoin: Network is unreachable
 425 2010-11-27 13:11:23 <T_X> Started at 27-Nov-2010 14:01:40
 426 2010-11-27 13:11:25 <T_X> Can't connect to Bitcoin: Network is unreachable
 427 2010-11-27 13:11:27 <T_X> Can't connect to Bitcoin: Network is unreachable
 428 2010-11-27 13:11:30 <T_X> Can't connect to Bitcoin: Network is unreachable
 429 2010-11-27 13:11:32 <T_X> ./DiabloMiner-Linux.sh: line 2:  8957 Segmentation fault      java -cp target/libs/*:target/DiabloMiner-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar -Djava.library.path=target/libs/natives/linux com.diablominer.DiabloMiner.DiabloMiner $@
 430 2010-11-27 13:12:23 <T_X> you changed some stuff in the command line parsing in 2d41fe74fa0c025ba9dddc96590e16650b7f9762, haven't you?
 431 2010-11-27 13:14:01 <Diablo-D3> 2d4 adds the moving everything to defines stuff
 432 2010-11-27 13:14:39 <Diablo-D3> which nvidia is required to support correctly
 433 2010-11-27 13:15:14 <Diablo-D3> T_X: try starting newest git with -w 64
 434 2010-11-27 13:16:36 <T_X> ./DiabloMiner-Linux.sh -u <user> -p <pass> -w 64                                                                 <─(Sat,Nov27)─┘
 435 2010-11-27 13:16:36 <T_X> Added GeForce 8600M GT (4 CU, 1x vector, local work size of clang: Too many positional arguments specified!
 436 2010-11-27 13:16:36 <T_X> Can specify at most 1 positional arguments: See: clang --help
 437 2010-11-27 13:16:45 <T_X> on latest version
 438 2010-11-27 13:16:50 <Diablo-D3> well its not that then
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 440 2010-11-27 13:19:49 <Diablo-D3> T_X: this has to be a driver bug
 441 2010-11-27 13:19:51 <Diablo-D3> no way around it
 442 2010-11-27 13:20:22 <Diablo-D3> I bet its failing on me doing -D foo=bar
 443 2010-11-27 13:21:03 <Diablo-D3> its the only thing I do that m0 doesnt
 444 2010-11-27 13:22:37 <Diablo-D3> infact
 445 2010-11-27 13:22:41 <Diablo-D3> its probably just eating the quotes
 446 2010-11-27 13:24:54 <Diablo-D3> T_X: someday you will understand my hate of nvidia. its days like this that do it for me.
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 448 2010-11-27 13:26:38 <samfisher> hi. Where can I see the bitcoin-usd ratio?
 449 2010-11-27 13:26:58 <Diablo-D3> samfisher: its not 50 yet.
 450 2010-11-27 13:27:06 <samfisher> i need to wget it in a script
 451 2010-11-27 13:27:34 <samfisher> Diablo-D3: huh?
 452 2010-11-27 13:28:13 <tcatm> samfisher: bitcoincharts.com has up to date rates
 453 2010-11-27 13:29:45 <tcatm> if you prefer json, there's http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1870.msg24395#msg24395
 454 2010-11-27 13:30:26 <samfisher> thank you
 455 2010-11-27 13:32:25 <wumpus> you can also get json prices using XMPP, by subscribing to bitcoin@jabber.cz .. it currently only gets the mtgox trades though
 456 2010-11-27 13:33:23 <T_X> Diable-D3: but this is correct so far for the compileOptions, right?
 457 2010-11-27 13:33:23 <T_X> -D VECTORS=1 -D NS="(u)((nonce * 1) + 0)" -D CHECKOUTPUT="if(H == 0) {output[0] = ns;}" -D WORKGROUPSIZE=""
 458 2010-11-27 13:33:51 <T_X> that's at least what a System.out.println(compileOptions) told me
 459 2010-11-27 13:34:20 <T_X> before the program = CL10.clCreateProgramWithSource(context, source, null);
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 461 2010-11-27 13:48:05 <anarchy_> ;;bc,stats
 462 2010-11-27 13:48:08 <gribble> Current Blocks: 94145 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94752 | Next Difficulty In: 607 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 131 years, 6 weeks, 1 day, 4 hours, 51 minutes, and 49 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 0.60586941
 463 2010-11-27 13:48:21 <anarchy_> wtf :P
 464 2010-11-27 13:57:07 <manveru> how do i get my bitcoin address using bitcoind?
 465 2010-11-27 14:00:01 samfisher has joined
 466 2010-11-27 14:00:23 <manveru> oh well, i used getnewaddress, guess that's just as good as the original address
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 469 2010-11-27 14:12:20 <Diablo-D3> T_X: yes, thats correct for that
 470 2010-11-27 14:12:21 <xelister> Diablo-D3: most disturbing thing happened with your miner - it seems its performanced droped a lot during few hours. It was only loadnig 70% of GPU after leaving computer for some hours.  Would be nice if you show also last-sample Mhash not just overall global
 471 2010-11-27 14:12:41 <Diablo-D3> xelister: that happens with m0's too
 472 2010-11-27 14:13:33 <xelister> also GPU temp fallen from 84C to 54C, indicating in fact GPU was fucking around instead of mining!
 473 2010-11-27 14:13:42 <Diablo-D3> xelister: that happens with m0's too
 474 2010-11-27 14:13:44 <xelister> Diablo-D3: well something is wrong! why this happens?
 475 2010-11-27 14:14:06 <Diablo-D3> driver bug I assume
 476 2010-11-27 14:14:37 <xelister> btw this does NOT happen with m0ms (at least with version few days ago, on 5770) since I had it print all the time recent and global mhash, and recent mhash was staying high on 5770 on 2.1
 477 2010-11-27 14:14:52 <Diablo-D3> Ive seen it happen on m0
 478 2010-11-27 14:14:53 <xelister> (didn test m0m's on 5970 yet)
 479 2010-11-27 14:14:57 <Diablo-D3> there is no way to reproduce it
 480 2010-11-27 14:15:05 <Diablo-D3> and on m0's, the whole miner stops because its single queued
 481 2010-11-27 14:15:05 <xelister> well we need to fix your's then
 482 2010-11-27 14:15:10 <xelister> restarting program helps
 483 2010-11-27 14:15:25 <Diablo-D3> I wonder why people keep thinking its okay to fix driver bugs in a program
 484 2010-11-27 14:15:47 <Diablo-D3> its the fucking driver, deal with it
 485 2010-11-27 14:15:48 <xelister> Diablo-D3: since given  1) whine  2) work around and get BTC  the 2) seems like obvious choice
 486 2010-11-27 14:16:03 <Diablo-D3> xelister: or 3) restart the program when it goes wonky
 487 2010-11-27 14:16:18 <xelister> anyway, first we would need to print both last-sample(s) and global speed,  then make some watchdog or just make miner quit every 30 minutes, or every time it slows down
 488 2010-11-27 14:16:19 <xelister> yea
 489 2010-11-27 14:16:27 <xelister> are you going to implement so parts of that now?
 490 2010-11-27 14:16:35 <xelister> I will implement as well
 491 2010-11-27 14:16:38 <Diablo-D3> xelister: how about this
 492 2010-11-27 14:16:43 <Diablo-D3> you can donate a large sum of btc
 493 2010-11-27 14:16:45 * xelister puts on his coding hat
 494 2010-11-27 14:16:50 <Diablo-D3> and then I can go buy myself a shiny new video card
 495 2010-11-27 14:16:57 <xelister> I can donate large sum of btc
 496 2010-11-27 14:16:57 <Diablo-D3> and then we'll both be happy
 497 2010-11-27 14:17:08 <xelister> if you are hot girl with webcam <_<
 498 2010-11-27 14:17:29 <Diablo-D3> I am an ugly guy, and pray I dont have a webcam
 499 2010-11-27 14:17:42 <xelister> sister?
 500 2010-11-27 14:17:53 <Diablo-D3> no, but if I did, she'd be ugly too
 501 2010-11-27 14:17:54 <xelister> noone is cooperating with my ideas
 502 2010-11-27 14:18:02 <Diablo-D3> xelister: because you're a dick
 503 2010-11-27 14:18:14 <xelister> p.i.
 504 2010-11-27 14:18:19 <Diablo-D3> you dont demand foss coders do things
 505 2010-11-27 14:18:30 <xelister> nope. I said *I* will code it
 506 2010-11-27 14:18:41 <Diablo-D3> yes, but yours isnt elegant enough
 507 2010-11-27 14:18:53 <xelister> alone and/or with you :) so are you going to do any of above so we synchronize our work
 508 2010-11-27 14:19:02 <xelister> what is not elegant?
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 510 2010-11-27 14:19:14 <Diablo-D3> the way you're going to code it is not elegant enough
 511 2010-11-27 14:19:37 <xelister> if miner detects drop in speed then it quits, and external wrapper will then restart it
 512 2010-11-27 14:19:44 <xelister> sounds good?
 513 2010-11-27 14:19:52 <Diablo-D3> nope.
 514 2010-11-27 14:19:55 <xelister> then what?
 515 2010-11-27 14:20:04 <Diablo-D3> I'll think about it.
 516 2010-11-27 14:20:18 <xelister> what is this, NATO?  let's act not only think
 517 2010-11-27 14:20:31 <Diablo-D3> only idiots code that way.
 518 2010-11-27 14:20:37 <Diablo-D3> there is no reason for code not to be near perfect.
 519 2010-11-27 14:21:24 <Diablo-D3> xelister: btw, did you try with newest git?
 520 2010-11-27 14:21:30 <Diablo-D3> newest git checks for queue failure and quits
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 522 2010-11-27 14:22:28 <Diablo-D3> or rather, enqueue failure
 523 2010-11-27 14:22:38 <xelister> hm what is the chan for miners
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 525 2010-11-27 14:22:55 * Diablo-D3 solved problem.
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 527 2010-11-27 14:32:38 <xelister> what is miner's channel?
 528 2010-11-27 14:33:07 <Diablo-D3> #bitcoin-mining
 529 2010-11-27 14:33:13 <xelister> Diablo-D3: yes, Im using latest.  git pull ->  Already up-to-date.
 530 2010-11-27 14:33:32 <Diablo-D3> xelister: run it for a few eons and see if the bug creeps up
 531 2010-11-27 14:33:57 <xelister> so far it happened only just 6 hours
 532 2010-11-27 14:34:57 <Diablo-D3> I cant reproduce it
 533 2010-11-27 14:35:02 <Diablo-D3> it just gets stuck for no reason
 534 2010-11-27 14:35:05 <Diablo-D3> and its happened to m0's
 535 2010-11-27 14:40:33 <xelister> actually a drop in generating rate is not only the bug, but also possible other application over using the GPU.  do you have idea how to detect which is which
 536 2010-11-27 14:42:34 <anarchy_> ;;bc,stats
 537 2010-11-27 14:42:37 <gribble> Current Blocks: 94148 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94752 | Next Difficulty In: 604 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 9 weeks, 0 days, 13 hours, 5 minutes, and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 455.14572168
 538 2010-11-27 14:47:51 <xelister> wha?  in 9 weeks??
 539 2010-11-27 14:48:26 <Diablo-D3> what the fuck?
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 541 2010-11-27 14:48:56 <Diablo-D3> xelister: I have an idea on how to fix it
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 543 2010-11-27 14:50:35 <xelister> Diablo-D3: well, I do
 544 2010-11-27 14:51:00 <xelister> - internal monitoring of speed and restaring each time the speed drops if the run time is above say 1h
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 547 2010-11-27 14:51:28 <xelister> - external wrapper script that restarts the program after it quits, and also restarts if if miner doesnt update a watchdog file constantly (so appears to hang)
 548 2010-11-27 14:51:43 <xelister> also wrapper could auto-install updates of the software (miner, bitcoind) and restart both
 549 2010-11-27 14:51:49 <xelister> sounds fun?
 550 2010-11-27 14:51:57 <Diablo-D3> xelister: no, internal monitoring of speed for this is useless.
 551 2010-11-27 14:52:01 <Diablo-D3> thats not what you want.
 552 2010-11-27 14:52:16 <xelister> that what is any better idea?  internally application can quit nicelly
 553 2010-11-27 14:52:21 <xelister> BUT btw a question!
 554 2010-11-27 14:52:37 <wumpus> that'd only work if bitcoin mining is the only thing you do on your computer
 555 2010-11-27 14:52:42 <Diablo-D3> wumpus: yes
 556 2010-11-27 14:52:48 <xelister> what happens if application decides to quit from its main loop,  say just a second after a block was discovered?
 557 2010-11-27 14:53:01 <Diablo-D3> xelister: java doesnt work that way
 558 2010-11-27 14:53:07 <Diablo-D3> the jvm doesnt quit until all threads quit
 559 2010-11-27 14:53:32 <xelister> wumpus: no, this is why also "and program run time is at least 1 hour" - because, we can anyway restart each 1 hour so this is not a problem if we restart because of fasle-detection of GPU speed drop, unless we do it all the time each 3 minutes
 560 2010-11-27 14:53:32 <wumpus> yeah, I think that's the same for every VM language
 561 2010-11-27 14:53:56 <Diablo-D3> xelister: this is why I have the global running boolean
 562 2010-11-27 14:54:02 <Diablo-D3> so everybody is notified to quit
 563 2010-11-27 14:54:10 <xelister> Diablo-D3: you mean, that even if the main loop  return;  still the appl can leave a hanged thread of the app running?
 564 2010-11-27 14:54:17 <Diablo-D3> xelister: yes.
 565 2010-11-27 14:54:18 <wumpus> xelister: true, if you filter the performance over a longer time the watchdog will have less false positives
 566 2010-11-27 14:54:29 <wumpus> then again, I don't understand why it would be getting slower in the first place
 567 2010-11-27 14:54:31 <Diablo-D3> wumpus: his watchdog design is wrong
 568 2010-11-27 14:54:36 <xelister> wumpus: I dont aslo, but it happens
 569 2010-11-27 14:54:51 <Diablo-D3> wumpus: its getting "slower" because an execution queue stops
 570 2010-11-27 14:54:52 <xelister> Diablo-D3: I didn't seen you proposing a better one
 571 2010-11-27 14:55:01 <wumpus> in that case, why not restart the program every *fixed amount* of hashes
 572 2010-11-27 14:55:01 <Diablo-D3> xelister: I already proposed it to myself.
 573 2010-11-27 14:55:06 <wumpus> it's more predictable
 574 2010-11-27 14:55:12 <Diablo-D3> wumpus: not useful.
 575 2010-11-27 14:55:20 <Diablo-D3> although that could easily paper over the problem
 576 2010-11-27 14:55:41 <xelister> what happens if program is restarted (returns from main loop) a moment after it discovered a block?  will it send the block to bitcoind or lost it?
 577 2010-11-27 14:55:55 <wumpus> then again, if you have a performance leak you should just fix it, not hack around it :) this is the same kind of 'solution' people come up with to laziliy solve memory leaks
 578 2010-11-27 14:56:06 <xelister> the RPC to send result to bitcoind, it runs in a thread, or does main loop executes for this RPC to finish?
 579 2010-11-27 14:56:14 <xelister> *waits
 580 2010-11-27 14:56:20 <Diablo-D3> xelister: the main loop does not talk to bitcoin.
 581 2010-11-27 14:56:42 <xelister> wumpus: I agree, but it seems noone knows how to
 582 2010-11-27 14:56:50 <wumpus> if you can reproduce it with a minimal program and isolate the problem in the GPU driver it would be a good idea to notify the bug to AMD...
 583 2010-11-27 14:56:54 <Diablo-D3> wumpus: its a driver bug, btw
 584 2010-11-27 14:57:01 <Diablo-D3> and Im pretty sure they're aware of it
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 586 2010-11-27 14:57:16 <wumpus> yeah if it's a driver bug theres not much you can do
 587 2010-11-27 14:57:23 <wumpus> except for having everyone report it :P
 588 2010-11-27 14:57:32 <xelister> lets report it everyone
 589 2010-11-27 14:57:47 <wumpus> one bug report they'll probably ignore, but if people keep reporting it they might start to take it seriously
 590 2010-11-27 14:57:57 <Diablo-D3> AMD doesnt work that way, wumpus
 591 2010-11-27 14:58:03 <Diablo-D3> they take all reproducable bugs seriously.
 592 2010-11-27 14:58:12 <Diablo-D3> and like I said, I'm pretty sure they're already aware of it
 593 2010-11-27 14:58:16 <wumpus> every big company works that way
 594 2010-11-27 14:58:23 <Diablo-D3> it may have even been fixed by now
 595 2010-11-27 14:58:41 <Diablo-D3> we're using 2.1, not 2.2
 596 2010-11-27 14:58:47 <wumpus> right
 597 2010-11-27 14:58:48 <Diablo-D3> so if its been fixed in 2.2, oh well
 598 2010-11-27 14:58:57 <Diablo-D3> wumpus: its also extremely rare
 599 2010-11-27 14:58:59 <wumpus> first thing they'll tell you is 'upgrade your driver'
 600 2010-11-27 14:59:03 <Diablo-D3> Ive only seen it happen once om m0's
 601 2010-11-27 14:59:33 <xelister> are you sure you guys are correctly clearing all resources or shit
 602 2010-11-27 15:00:14 <Diablo-D3> xelister: doesnt work that way.
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 605 2010-11-27 15:05:44 <Diablo-D3> alright
 606 2010-11-27 15:05:49 <Diablo-D3> who here had that fucking ubuntu 64 bug
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 608 2010-11-27 15:07:40 <xelister> well I have ubuntu 64bit, but what bug you are talking about
 609 2010-11-27 15:07:48 <Kiba> hello
 610 2010-11-27 15:07:57 <xelister> hi Kiba
 611 2010-11-27 15:07:57 <Diablo-D3> xelister: the ELFCLASS32 bug
 612 2010-11-27 15:08:05 <xelister> are you a gold digger Kiba
 613 2010-11-27 15:08:19 <Kiba> ?
 614 2010-11-27 15:08:25 <wumpus> well, as long as python garbage collection works, m0mchils miner shouldn't leak
 615 2010-11-27 15:08:36 <Diablo-D3> wumpus: you forgot it uses opencl.
 616 2010-11-27 15:09:09 <Diablo-D3> and no, neither mine nor m0's leaks
 617 2010-11-27 15:09:16 <wumpus> I do see that it creates a cl.Buffer object every time the outer loop runs, but normally that wouldn't be a problem as it will be freed when it goes out of scope..
 618 2010-11-27 15:09:20 <xelister> Kiba: are you generating coins with a gpu miner
 619 2010-11-27 15:09:34 <Kiba> no, I don't do GPU mining
 620 2010-11-27 15:09:38 <Kiba> I just run CPU mining
 621 2010-11-27 15:09:44 <wumpus> I don't do mining at all, but it does interest me :)
 622 2010-11-27 15:10:02 <wumpus> 'if I only had a big computer' hehe
 623 2010-11-27 15:10:34 <Diablo-D3> Kiba: cpu mining is a waste of watts now
 624 2010-11-27 15:11:58 <Kiba> Diablo-D3: don't care...
 625 2010-11-27 15:12:02 <xelister> Kiba: you will probably generate around...
 626 2010-11-27 15:12:04 <wumpus> yeah, you're better off just buying the coins instead
 627 2010-11-27 15:12:05 <xelister> exactly 0 coins
 628 2010-11-27 15:12:08 <xelister> in the next 1 year
 629 2010-11-27 15:12:10 <xelister> on cpu
 630 2010-11-27 15:12:14 <Kiba> sure
 631 2010-11-27 15:12:15 <Diablo-D3> yeah pretty much
 632 2010-11-27 15:12:17 <Kiba> I don't mind.
 633 2010-11-27 15:12:23 <Kiba> and it heats up my room
 634 2010-11-27 15:12:24 <Diablo-D3> Kiba: its also driving up the goddamned difficulty
 635 2010-11-27 15:12:27 <xelister> Kiba: you are just buring up power
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 637 2010-11-27 15:12:30 <xelister> better buy it
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 640 2010-11-27 15:12:47 <wumpus> well if you have a big GPU anyway you can just as well use it to generate coins intead of idling
 641 2010-11-27 15:13:22 <Diablo-D3> where the hell is brocktice and UukGoblin
 642 2010-11-27 15:13:24 <wumpus> as it will use power even if not running at full capacity
 643 2010-11-27 15:13:30 <xelister> there is no chance you will generate ANY coin on normal CPU, better save electricity bill and play lottery instead, better odds
 644 2010-11-27 15:13:46 <Diablo-D3> Kiba: what gpu do you have
 645 2010-11-27 15:14:05 <Kiba> I have an integrated one
 646 2010-11-27 15:14:11 <Diablo-D3> an intel one?
 647 2010-11-27 15:14:18 <Kiba> yes
 648 2010-11-27 15:14:22 <xelister> :]
 649 2010-11-27 15:14:25 <Diablo-D3> ouch
 650 2010-11-27 15:14:53 <xelister> I hereby certificate your box as CUFAGDM
 651 2010-11-27 15:14:57 <wumpus> hehe
 652 2010-11-27 15:15:01 <wumpus> don't even try
 653 2010-11-27 15:15:02 <Kiba> maybe when I make a living off bitcoins or freelancing, I'll be able to afford my own computer
 654 2010-11-27 15:15:03 <xelister> Completely Uselless for Any Goddamned Mining
 655 2010-11-27 15:15:21 <Kiba> err..upgrade
 656 2010-11-27 15:15:47 <xelister> CUFAGDM:2010   <star logo>
 657 2010-11-27 15:16:20 <Kiba> today...agenda..
 658 2010-11-27 15:16:26 <Kiba> scan yesterday's artwork in
 659 2010-11-27 15:16:30 <wumpus> Kiba: I still doubt that buying big gpu hardware just for mining is a good investment
 660 2010-11-27 15:16:37 <Kiba> work on today's art revision...
 661 2010-11-27 15:16:38 <wumpus> if you also use it to play games, sure
 662 2010-11-27 15:16:40 <xelister> Diablo-D3: your miner is doing it again
 663 2010-11-27 15:16:51 <Kiba> wumpus: I might want a 3 monitors setup
 664 2010-11-27 15:17:04 * Diablo-D3 likes his one giant monitor
 665 2010-11-27 15:17:06 <Kiba> plus, it's just awesome to have a beefy computer
 666 2010-11-27 15:17:11 <xelister> 530800 .. 530730 .. 530700 .. 530680   HELP SIR WE ARE GOING TO SHIT  DROP ALL BALLAST
 667 2010-11-27 15:17:14 <Kiba> Diablo-D3: 3 giant monitor then
 668 2010-11-27 15:17:16 * wumpus likes his two giant monitors
 669 2010-11-27 15:17:24 <wumpus> that's one thing I see the purpose of investing in :)
 670 2010-11-27 15:17:28 <xelister> I like my beer and bitches, fix the miner already ;)
 671 2010-11-27 15:17:36 <Kiba> 3 giant monitors...
 672 2010-11-27 15:17:39 <Diablo-D3> xelister: see, thats why people hate you
 673 2010-11-27 15:17:43 <Diablo-D3> xelister: ITS A DRIVER BUG
 674 2010-11-27 15:17:45 <Diablo-D3> DRIVER
 675 2010-11-27 15:17:46 <Diablo-D3> BUG
 676 2010-11-27 15:17:48 <Diablo-D3> BUG IN THE DRIVER
 677 2010-11-27 15:17:48 <wumpus> Kiba: would first need a bigger desk :P
 678 2010-11-27 15:17:49 <Diablo-D3> IN
 679 2010-11-27 15:17:49 <Diablo-D3> THE
 680 2010-11-27 15:17:51 <Diablo-D3> DRIVER
 681 2010-11-27 15:17:52 <Diablo-D3> _DRIVER_
 682 2010-11-27 15:17:54 <Diablo-D3> NOT MINER
 683 2010-11-27 15:17:54 <xelister> 530500 ITS GOING TO SHIT
 684 2010-11-27 15:17:57 <Diablo-D3> I KNOW THEY RHYME
 685 2010-11-27 15:18:03 <xelister> 530488 ALL HANDS ABANDOND SHIP
 686 2010-11-27 15:18:07 <Diablo-D3> BUT ITS IN THE DRIVER
 687 2010-11-27 15:18:13 <xelister> 530465
 688 2010-11-27 15:18:28 * xelister watchers the mine... ok, the DRIVER,  going to crapper
 689 2010-11-27 15:18:46 <xelister> 530407
 690 2010-11-27 15:18:47 <Diablo-D3> xelister: you better hope 2.3 is perfect
 691 2010-11-27 15:19:32 <xelister> if someone branches your miner on github, it is easy to later exchange upgrades between both branches?
 692 2010-11-27 15:19:43 <Diablo-D3> if you know git, yes
 693 2010-11-27 15:19:55 <Kiba> why is bitcoin source code still on SVN?
 694 2010-11-27 15:19:58 <Diablo-D3> but Im fixing the fucking bug so keep your pants on
 695 2010-11-27 15:20:04 <Diablo-D3> Kiba: because satoshi hates you
 696 2010-11-27 15:20:05 <wumpus> xelister: yes
 697 2010-11-27 15:20:09 <xelister> Kiba: svn is good enough, and is using centralized model
 698 2010-11-27 15:20:21 <xelister> Diablo-D3: the slowing-down bug? how?
 699 2010-11-27 15:20:21 <Diablo-D3> only people who touch themselves at night use svn
 700 2010-11-27 15:20:27 <Diablo-D3> xelister: BY FUCKING MAGIC
 701 2010-11-27 15:20:28 <Diablo-D3> THATS HOW
 702 2010-11-27 15:20:31 <Diablo-D3> WAAAAAAGH
 703 2010-11-27 15:20:46 * xelister sprinkles farries dust on Diablo-D3's keyboard
 704 2010-11-27 15:20:49 <wumpus> because svn is good if you're the only person working on something, or have a closely-knit team
 705 2010-11-27 15:21:04 <Diablo-D3> wumpus: except we have git forks of bitcoin
 706 2010-11-27 15:21:07 <Diablo-D3> which makes satoshi useless
 707 2010-11-27 15:21:30 <wumpus> lol, makes satoshi useless
 708 2010-11-27 15:21:50 <Diablo-D3> well, poor gavin has to push shit back and forth manually
 709 2010-11-27 15:22:23 <wumpus> yeah in that case switching to git would be better
 710 2010-11-27 15:22:45 <Kiba> if bitcoin is a p2p network, maybe the source code control should be too?
 711 2010-11-27 15:22:59 <Diablo-D3> Kiba: ergo git.
 712 2010-11-27 15:23:13 <wumpus> Kiba: good point.
 713 2010-11-27 15:24:53 <genjix> git is p2p
 714 2010-11-27 15:24:59 <xelister> you know what homeless people do in winter 2010 ?
 715 2010-11-27 15:25:06 <genjix> svn is never good
 716 2010-11-27 15:25:14 <xelister> they sell their burning-barrels to by bitcoin miners based on 5770
 717 2010-11-27 15:25:18 <xelister> or 5970
 718 2010-11-27 15:25:23 <xelister> to warm their hands at nights \o/
 719 2010-11-27 15:25:29 * xelister tu-dum-tsshhhh
 720 2010-11-27 15:25:59 <Kiba> is svn becoming decentralized?
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 722 2010-11-27 15:26:21 <xelister> seriously 5970 can be fully used at hair-blow-dryer.
 723 2010-11-27 15:26:22 <genjix> cvs/svn is rubbish
 724 2010-11-27 15:26:52 <genjix> use it on large projects and its super slow
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 726 2010-11-27 15:27:05 <genjix> but git is super fast and like heaven.
 727 2010-11-27 15:27:22 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, what the hell do you need? ;-P
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 729 2010-11-27 15:27:28 <wumpus> yes, for large projects most source control systems are rubbish
 730 2010-11-27 15:27:40 <wumpus> though git does comparatively well
 731 2010-11-27 15:27:44 <xelister> Diablo-D3: if your miner  decides to quit main loop,  what happens to last block found?  or, how to execute a callback after getting response from RPC of sending-found-block-to-bitcoind so that a global flag now_uploading_result=false; and we know we can quit now safely?
 732 2010-11-27 15:27:54 <wumpus> linux kernel isn't exactly a small project
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 734 2010-11-27 15:32:54 <Diablo-D3> xelister: I already answered this... quitting the main loop has no effect on other threads.
 735 2010-11-27 15:34:50 <xelister> ah right - I thought you ment it does not kill hanged threads... ok then
 736 2010-11-27 15:35:07 <Diablo-D3> look at the executor loop
 737 2010-11-27 15:35:16 <Diablo-D3> it checks if running == true only at the start of the loop
 738 2010-11-27 15:35:24 <Diablo-D3> if running == false, its not checked until later
 739 2010-11-27 15:35:31 <Diablo-D3> ergo, if its still doing shit, its still doing shit.
 740 2010-11-27 15:44:35 <Kiba> hmm, in one day, I only made .03 cents
 741 2010-11-27 15:44:42 <Kiba> off my art :/
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 743 2010-11-27 15:48:53 <Diablo-D3> xelister: okay, the patch is done, lemme test it for a bit
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 747 2010-11-27 16:05:43 <xelister> Diablo-D3: ping me when its ready to be tested
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 749 2010-11-27 16:07:01 <Diablo-D3> xelister: it'll require further debugging
 750 2010-11-27 16:07:54 <xelister> Diablo-D3: well turn on debug stuff and I can run it.  As long as it does not stop the mining process.  I can test on 5970, I guess any problems will come up faster hereh
 751 2010-11-27 16:08:22 <Diablo-D3> xelister: as in
 752 2010-11-27 16:08:25 <Diablo-D3> my new code segfaults.
 753 2010-11-27 16:08:32 <Diablo-D3> ergo, requires further debugging
 754 2010-11-27 16:08:43 <xelister> Diablo-D3: btw, when using optin -d, then the khash is not visible; solution: imho: if using -d then show the current speed as normal writeLN
 755 2010-11-27 16:09:52 <Diablo-D3> xelister: thats not true, -d only outputs when H == 0
 756 2010-11-27 16:09:57 <Diablo-D3> it outputs like normal
 757 2010-11-27 16:12:15 <xelister> Diablo-D3: no
 758 2010-11-27 16:13:28 <xelister> wait, ok.
 759 2010-11-27 16:13:40 <xelister> what does it mean "Attempt X found"
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 765 2010-11-27 16:58:17 <Diablo-D3> xelister: it means H == 0
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 767 2010-11-27 16:59:36 <xelister> Diablo-D3: and when we get a block exactly?
 768 2010-11-27 16:59:41 <xelister> not every H==0 ?
 769 2010-11-27 16:59:54 <Diablo-D3> every G < target
 770 2010-11-27 17:00:08 <Diablo-D3> xelister: H==0 happen, statistically, so often
 771 2010-11-27 17:00:23 <Diablo-D3> like, at 75mhash, getting 50 in 45 minutes is in the right ballpark
 772 2010-11-27 17:00:41 <xelister> would be nice to show like  G < target - 2 top bits  to show like "you /almost/ made it (needed x4 more luck)"
 773 2010-11-27 17:00:50 <Diablo-D3> xelister: thats stupid.
 774 2010-11-27 17:00:54 <Diablo-D3> this isnt pokemon
 775 2010-11-27 17:00:59 <xelister> its encouraging for people new to mining
 776 2010-11-27 17:01:12 <xelister> otherwise they can go a week with NOT RESULT WHAT SO EVER
 777 2010-11-27 17:01:20 <Diablo-D3> thats why debug exists, xel
 778 2010-11-27 17:01:55 <wumpus> hahahahah 'you almost made it' .. that'd indeed work to encourage mining
 779 2010-11-27 17:02:15 <wumpus> it's like with slot machines preferring to stop almost before the jackpot
 780 2010-11-27 17:02:24 <Diablo-D3> but "Attempt" really IS that
 781 2010-11-27 17:02:38 <Diablo-D3> you're more than half way to the goal but still failed
 782 2010-11-27 17:02:44 <wumpus> a well-known casino tactic
 783 2010-11-27 17:02:46 <wumpus> yeah :D
 784 2010-11-27 17:22:47 <Diablo-D3> hrm
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 787 2010-11-27 17:24:21 <Diablo-D3> heh
 788 2010-11-27 17:24:23 <Diablo-D3> tip for those using openc
 789 2010-11-27 17:24:25 <Diablo-D3> opencl
 790 2010-11-27 17:24:40 <Diablo-D3> clFinish, clReleaseQueue, THEN clReleaseMemObject
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 801 2010-11-27 18:06:08 <xelister> Diablo-D3: you fixed it?
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 806 2010-11-27 18:10:28 <xelister> jgarzik: hi, I talked to some "normal"(not-computer experts, not opensource developers etc) about bitcoin
 807 2010-11-27 18:10:43 <xelister> jgarzik: some concern is that people think this is a fraud or piramid scheme
 808 2010-11-27 18:10:53 <xelister> jgarzik: I will try to address this in my presentation for you
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 810 2010-11-27 18:11:23 <xelister> especially the "producting  bitcoins" sounds like a fraud "why would someone pay you to burn the cpu"
 811 2010-11-27 18:11:43 <Kiba> xelister: only GPU farms would generate bitcoins
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 813 2010-11-27 18:11:56 <xelister> yeap, but still
 814 2010-11-27 18:12:24 <Kiba> nobody paying people to generate bitcoin
 815 2010-11-27 18:12:43 <xelister> well eventually you can do it,  make bitcoins -> convert to EUR at market
 816 2010-11-27 18:12:43 <Diablo-D3> xelister: the bug I just caused? no
 817 2010-11-27 18:13:09 <xelister> Diablo-D3: your comment about OpenCL - is it any hope to fix the slowing-down-after-hours bug, or was this unrelated comment?
 818 2010-11-27 18:13:19 <Diablo-D3> Im trying to fix that, stfu
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 820 2010-11-27 18:13:57 <xelister> Diablo-D3: btw, guys at #opencl dissagree with your comment about THEN clRelese...  : <SiegeLord> (at least, I had no issues so far releasing mem objects before releasing the queue)
 821 2010-11-27 18:14:10 <Diablo-D3> xelister: it does here
 822 2010-11-27 18:14:12 <Diablo-D3> not sure why
 823 2010-11-27 18:14:17 <Diablo-D3> I was doing mem then queue
 824 2010-11-27 18:14:21 <xelister> I think #opencl may help you
 825 2010-11-27 18:14:26 <Diablo-D3> I doubt it
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 828 2010-11-27 18:16:55 <xelister> Diablo-D3: your clFinish, clReleaseQueue, THEN clReleaseMemObject  idea, is it fixing stability or performance?
 829 2010-11-27 18:17:20 <Diablo-D3> xelister: its fixing the bug fix
 830 2010-11-27 18:21:05 <Diablo-D3> Executor on ATI RV770 locked up, restarting it
 831 2010-11-27 18:21:06 <Diablo-D3> *** glibc detected *** java: free(): corrupted unsorted chunks: 0x00007fc5e08843f0 ***
 832 2010-11-27 18:21:11 <Diablo-D3> lol
 833 2010-11-27 18:22:48 * Diablo-D3 is inducing detection of lock ups
 834 2010-11-27 18:24:21 * xelister cheers Diablo-D3
 835 2010-11-27 18:29:07 * Kiba cheers
 836 2010-11-27 18:35:25 <Diablo-D3> xelister: well, I've discovered a fun little thing
 837 2010-11-27 18:35:58 <Diablo-D3> allocating 128 megs across 8 buffers makes ati unhappoy
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 839 2010-11-27 18:36:38 <Diablo-D3> hrm
 840 2010-11-27 18:36:59 <Diablo-D3> actually, I wonder if freeing memory at all makes lwjgl unhappy
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 931 2010-11-27 19:13:33 <genjix> http://boards.4chan.org/b/res/290388546
 932 2010-11-27 19:13:38 <genjix> join join join
 933 2010-11-27 19:16:37 <Diablo-D3> oh christ not this shit again
 934 2010-11-27 19:16:50 <Diablo-D3> british people dont even use 4chan
 935 2010-11-27 19:16:59 <Pitxyoki> Didn't that happen sometime in history before?
 936 2010-11-27 19:17:07 <Pitxyoki> I remember something like that being talked about in history class.
 937 2010-11-27 19:17:21 <Diablo-D3> Pitxyoki: yes
 938 2010-11-27 19:17:22 <Pitxyoki> I think it ended up benefiting the banks.
 939 2010-11-27 19:17:32 <Diablo-D3> s/banks/rich people/
 940 2010-11-27 19:17:52 <Diablo-D3> a group of rich bankers decided to intentionally collapse a few banks so they could go in and buy them on the cheap
 941 2010-11-27 19:18:03 <Diablo-D3> however, it ran away from them and collapsed the entire banking industry
 942 2010-11-27 19:18:29 <Diablo-D3> it was called the Great Depression.
 943 2010-11-27 19:19:51 <Pitxyoki> I think it was sometime before.
 944 2010-11-27 19:23:11 <brocktice> It won't work in the States because we have the FDIC
 945 2010-11-27 19:23:22 <brocktice> They must have something like that in the UK, no?
 946 2010-11-27 19:24:31 <brocktice> oh, apparently not
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 948 2010-11-27 19:26:57 <xelister> average American voter joins discussion about freedom -vs- security - http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1290884333061.jpg
 949 2010-11-27 19:27:34 * Kiba likes the royalty commision
 950 2010-11-27 19:28:11 <Kiba> ah, somebody downloaded 3 different images uploaded by me
 951 2010-11-27 19:28:24 <xelister> Kiba: have any thumbnails yet?
 952 2010-11-27 19:28:29 <xelister> or are we buyin cat in the bag :)
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 954 2010-11-27 19:30:31 <Kiba> xelister: apperantly, hippich still didn't have thumnail yet
 955 2010-11-27 19:31:06 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: yes, it wont work like that in the states
 956 2010-11-27 19:31:11 <Diablo-D3> Pitxyoki: its happened repeatedly
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 958 2010-11-27 19:31:26 <Diablo-D3> Pitxyoki: rich people read history books, go "oh hey, I know how to do that right", they dont, and it happens again
 959 2010-11-27 19:31:37 <Diablo-D3> the great depression wasnt even that great
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 965 2010-11-27 19:31:52 <Diablo-D3> that was part of a cycle of busts and booms happening since the mid 1850s in most areas
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 967 2010-11-27 19:32:15 <djoot> they do know how to do it right, that's how they rob the people blind every now and then
 968 2010-11-27 19:32:24 <Diablo-D3> djoot: THEY didnt
 969 2010-11-27 19:32:29 <Diablo-D3> djoot: it CAN be done right
 970 2010-11-27 19:32:35 <Diablo-D3> it just requires stealing very very little
 971 2010-11-27 19:32:51 <Diablo-D3> when you steal very very little from today's population, that makes you and your cohorts all multi-billionares
 972 2010-11-27 19:32:52 <Kiba> Diablo-D3: you're asking a bunch of theives to be disciplined in taking the property of others
 973 2010-11-27 19:33:02 <Diablo-D3> Kiba: either they do it, or we ALL lose it
 974 2010-11-27 19:33:05 <djoot> yeah, but the demands on the robbers grow stronger all the time, so they must steal more and more
 975 2010-11-27 19:33:17 <Diablo-D3> Kiba: what use is being a multi-billionare if your money is USD?
 976 2010-11-27 19:33:30 <Diablo-D3> Kiba: collapse the USD, and your billions are worth nothing
 977 2010-11-27 19:33:46 <Diablo-D3> so yes, they have to be very very careful
 978 2010-11-27 19:34:16 <Diablo-D3> places like goldman sachs know how to do it
 979 2010-11-27 19:35:21 <Diablo-D3> the only reason their most recent plot blew up in their faces (marketing AAA rated mortgage backed securities using fraudulant and high risk mortgages) because everyone started copying them
 980 2010-11-27 19:35:46 <Diablo-D3> this is why they quickly pulled out around the time everyone else was jumping in
 981 2010-11-27 19:35:51 <Kiba> just make hte money the honest way then you don't have to worry about a plot blowing up
 982 2010-11-27 19:35:52 <Diablo-D3> they wanted out before it blew up
 983 2010-11-27 19:36:00 <Diablo-D3> Kiba: then all of wall street would have to quit
 984 2010-11-27 19:36:02 <Diablo-D3> all of it
 985 2010-11-27 19:36:23 <Diablo-D3> investment bankers and their ilk provide no useful service
 986 2010-11-27 19:36:33 <Kiba> spectulation is pretty useful
 987 2010-11-27 19:36:40 <Diablo-D3> speculation is not useful at all
 988 2010-11-27 19:36:53 <Diablo-D3> and people dont need people to help them speculate
 989 2010-11-27 19:36:57 <Diablo-D3> they can do it all themselves
 990 2010-11-27 19:37:10 <Diablo-D3> any idiot buying the wrong stock at the wrong time and then sell it at the wrong time
 991 2010-11-27 19:37:16 <Diablo-D3> they dont need advice to do that
 992 2010-11-27 19:37:18 <djoot> life is speculation, deal with it :)
 993 2010-11-27 19:37:22 <Diablo-D3> and thats all speculators do
 994 2010-11-27 19:38:07 <Diablo-D3> and then you have the idiots using machines to rapidly buy and sell stock positions
 995 2010-11-27 19:38:08 <djoot> holding any bitcoins Diablo-D3 ?
 996 2010-11-27 19:38:09 <Diablo-D3> which all that does is create false statistics and noise
 997 2010-11-27 19:38:11 <Diablo-D3> djoot: nope, and even if I were, I do not consider holding bitcoins a speculation
 998 2010-11-27 19:38:20 <Diablo-D3> djoot: the value of 1 btc to me is exactly 1 btc
 999 2010-11-27 19:38:24 <Diablo-D3> nothing more, nothing less
1000 2010-11-27 19:38:59 <Diablo-D3> no more than the $20 in my leather wallet is speculation
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1002 2010-11-27 19:40:40 <genjix> djoot: speculation doesnt happen like you think it does
1003 2010-11-27 19:40:53 <genjix> its dominated by HFT and quants
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1006 2010-11-27 19:44:53 <Diablo-D3> yes.
1007 2010-11-27 19:44:53 <Diablo-D3> which means its not speculation at all
1008 2010-11-27 19:44:53 <Diablo-D3> its manipulation
1009 2010-11-27 19:44:53 <djoot> what are quants?
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1011 2010-11-27 19:44:53 <Diablo-D3> quantative analysts
1012 2010-11-27 19:44:53 <Diablo-D3> basically, a really dumb fucking idea that lead to the 1987 crash
1013 2010-11-27 19:44:53 <djoot> there are many ways to speculate... buyin 100 btc now hoping they will go up in value is speculation
1014 2010-11-27 19:44:53 <Diablo-D3> djoot: yes, but wall street thinks math can help them
1015 2010-11-27 19:44:54 <Diablo-D3> so they use these big poorly understood equations, and plug a few hundred numbers into them
1016 2010-11-27 19:44:54 <Diablo-D3> and then they trade based on the answer
1017 2010-11-27 19:44:54 <Diablo-D3> the problem is, they never ask themselves if the equation works, or if the numbers are even useful
1018 2010-11-27 19:44:54 <Diablo-D3> they also never ask if the numbers represent everything
1019 2010-11-27 19:44:54 <Diablo-D3> which, by definition, they do not and cannot
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1022 2010-11-27 19:44:54 <djoot> but so what, bots can be wrong, so can people.. Of course, I know nothing about actually trading stocks...
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1025 2010-11-27 19:44:54 <Diablo-D3> if you know nothing, you're in the wrong conversation
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1029 2010-11-27 19:44:56 <Diablo-D3> the way liars and cheats steal on wall street is a complex thing
1030 2010-11-27 19:44:56 <Diablo-D3> you dont really need to understand the how, as much as just simply accept the fact that they are liars and cheats, and that they do steal
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1033 2010-11-27 19:45:05 <Diablo-D3> once you accept that, then they cant do it to you
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1045 2010-11-27 19:46:24 <djoot> well, how can I stop them
1046 2010-11-27 19:46:30 <djoot> without going to jail
1047 2010-11-27 19:46:31 <djoot> :)
1048 2010-11-27 19:46:33 <Diablo-D3> stop giving your money to them.
1049 2010-11-27 19:46:36 <Diablo-D3> simple as that.
1050 2010-11-27 19:46:44 <djoot> to the banks?
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1052 2010-11-27 19:46:54 <Diablo-D3> to wall street.
1053 2010-11-27 19:47:29 <Diablo-D3> stop funding your 401ks, stop funding your IRAs, stop buying shit stocks, stop doing day trading, stop all that dumb shit.
1054 2010-11-27 19:47:33 <djoot> lol, I don't and still they screw me. And I'm not on the same continent...
1055 2010-11-27 19:47:56 <Diablo-D3> theres only one valid investing strategy
1056 2010-11-27 19:47:57 <xelister> Diablo-D3: arent we here to trade etc
1057 2010-11-27 19:47:59 <djoot> I mostly just pay my 25% VAT
1058 2010-11-27 19:48:01 <kiba> BUY GOLD?
1059 2010-11-27 19:48:07 <Diablo-D3> kiba: hell no
1060 2010-11-27 19:48:13 <Diablo-D3> Im waiting for the gold bubble to collapse
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1062 2010-11-27 19:48:16 <Diablo-D3> its hillariously overpriced
1063 2010-11-27 19:48:20 <kiba> so...
1064 2010-11-27 19:48:29 <kiba> what's the #1 valid strategy?
1065 2010-11-27 19:48:47 <kiba> the magick bullet
1066 2010-11-27 19:49:21 <Diablo-D3> open an account at vanguard, get a roth ira, do 60% vanguard total stock market mutual fund, 40% vanguard total bondmarket mutual fund
1067 2010-11-27 19:49:35 <kiba> but you say to stop buying stock!
1068 2010-11-27 19:49:42 <Diablo-D3> kiba: I said shit stocks.
1069 2010-11-27 19:49:51 <kiba> oh
1070 2010-11-27 19:49:54 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: their target retirement funds are pretty good
1071 2010-11-27 19:50:01 <brocktice> for roth IRA uses
1072 2010-11-27 19:50:03 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: not conservative enough.
1073 2010-11-27 19:50:21 <brocktice> They get gradually more conservative over time
1074 2010-11-27 19:50:23 <Diablo-D3> kiba: and the only reason I say vanguard, btw, is because they have the lowest fees of any company.
1075 2010-11-27 19:50:32 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: yes, which is also counterproductive.
1076 2010-11-27 19:50:43 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: they cut off too soon
1077 2010-11-27 19:51:05 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: add 5 to 10 years to your target year, and you approach the stability and performance of the above
1078 2010-11-27 19:51:21 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: the target funds are also actively managed, which is nuts
1079 2010-11-27 19:51:29 * Diablo-D3 hates actively managed funds
1080 2010-11-27 19:51:48 <kiba> because the bankers in question think they're hotshot when they're actually not?
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1082 2010-11-27 19:51:53 <Diablo-D3> yes.
1083 2010-11-27 19:52:01 <kiba> SCORE!
1084 2010-11-27 19:52:10 <soultcer> ?
1085 2010-11-27 19:52:25 <Diablo-D3> kiba: this is why I recommend vanguard
1086 2010-11-27 19:52:30 <kiba> 1 points for guessing Diablo-D3
1087 2010-11-27 19:52:41 <kiba> how easy is it to apply for an account with vanguard?
1088 2010-11-27 19:52:43 <Diablo-D3> the guy who started it, john c bogle, invented the original s&p 500 fund
1089 2010-11-27 19:53:24 <Diablo-D3> the total stock market fund (which tracks all 4000 some companies on the stock market instead of just the s&p 500) is the replacement for it
1090 2010-11-27 19:53:28 <xelister> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin
1091 2010-11-27 19:53:35 <Diablo-D3> kiba: very easy
1092 2010-11-27 19:53:42 <xelister> we need english translation restored... who was going to talk to the wikipedia buys?  brocktice?
1093 2010-11-27 19:53:46 <Diablo-D3> vanguard also, btw, holds more money than any other brokerage in the world.
1094 2010-11-27 19:54:07 <Diablo-D3> they also have the lowest fees, as a brokerage, of any, and also the lowest fees of a fund managing company.
1095 2010-11-27 19:54:15 <kiba> is there a mininum deposit?
1096 2010-11-27 19:54:22 <kiba> Diablo-D3: economy of scale?
1097 2010-11-27 19:54:26 <Diablo-D3> very much.
1098 2010-11-27 19:54:41 <Diablo-D3> they're also ran like a credit union is, as much as such a company could be
1099 2010-11-27 19:54:44 <Diablo-D3> they work for you
1100 2010-11-27 19:54:54 <Diablo-D3> no shareholders, no outside interference.
1101 2010-11-27 19:55:37 <Diablo-D3> kiba: theres a $3k minimum to open each of the funds for most of their funds
1102 2010-11-27 19:55:51 <Diablo-D3> kiba: you CAN hold the ETF version in a vanguard account, which sidesteps the problem
1103 2010-11-27 19:56:02 <kiba> ETF?
1104 2010-11-27 19:56:19 <Diablo-D3> exchange traded fund
1105 2010-11-27 19:56:43 <Diablo-D3> ETFs are, essentially, mutual funds sold as stocks on the stock market
1106 2010-11-27 19:57:07 <Diablo-D3> vanguard provides ETF versions of almost all their funds
1107 2010-11-27 19:57:18 <Diablo-D3> its more efficient to use the mutual fund version when you can
1108 2010-11-27 19:57:42 <Diablo-D3> as a side note, you don't do frequent trading through vanguard accounts
1109 2010-11-27 19:58:54 <Diablo-D3> kiba: with electronic statement delivery and enough money with them and automatic transfer and purchase orders, you can drive total fees down to almost nothing
1110 2010-11-27 19:58:59 <Diablo-D3> no other company can pull that off
1111 2010-11-27 19:59:28 <Diablo-D3> combine that with hiring staff that arent fucktards and/or indians, and no other real overhead, its sort of wall street's best kept secret
1112 2010-11-27 19:59:31 <Diablo-D3> they dont even advertise.
1113 2010-11-27 19:59:49 <kiba> reducing all the cost to nil
1114 2010-11-27 19:59:57 <xelister> Diablo-D3: how is fixed version coming along?
1115 2010-11-27 20:00:03 <Diablo-D3> xelister: still debugging it
1116 2010-11-27 20:00:11 * xelister can't wait to use it
1117 2010-11-27 20:00:22 <xelister> is the current git version the best version to mine?
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1119 2010-11-27 20:00:59 <Diablo-D3> xelister: afiak yes
1120 2010-11-27 20:01:07 <djoot> brocktice: ticker now shows spread in %, (sell/buy-1)
1121 2010-11-27 20:01:29 <djoot> 1.57% spread at mtgox
1122 2010-11-27 20:01:30 <Diablo-D3> kiba: john c bogle basically shoved his dick up wall street's ass
1123 2010-11-27 20:01:34 <Diablo-D3> kiba: and they didnt like it
1124 2010-11-27 20:16:55 <djoot> where's that mining speed table?
1125 2010-11-27 20:18:29 <xelister> djoot: table?
1126 2010-11-27 20:25:24 <djoot> there was a list of different cards and how fast they generate if I recall correctly
1127 2010-11-27 20:27:12 <djoot> http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=bitcoin_miners
1128 2010-11-27 20:28:12 <djoot> not very updated eyh?
1129 2010-11-27 20:34:48 <djoot> Diablo-D3: 09:17 < Diablo-D3> 5970 == 1.39 mhash per dollar
1130 2010-11-27 20:34:57 <djoot> are these electricity costs?
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1132 2010-11-27 20:47:26 <Diablo-D3> djoot: no, ownership costs
1133 2010-11-27 20:47:40 <Diablo-D3> djoot: why would you ever think they were electricity costs?
1134 2010-11-27 20:47:47 <Diablo-D3> running for 1 second would cost $600
1135 2010-11-27 20:50:01 <xelister> gronoSTACJA
1136 2010-11-27 20:50:06 <xelister> cd /
1137 2010-11-27 20:50:27 <Diablo-D3> your root password sucks.
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1141 2010-11-27 20:50:52 <xelister> wait. wrong window
1142 2010-11-27 20:50:56 <xelister> Diablo-D3: hah :)
1143 2010-11-27 20:51:00 int0x27h_ is now known as int0x27h
1144 2010-11-27 20:52:51 <Diablo-D3> heeeh my X is now using 707 megs.
1145 2010-11-27 20:53:03 <Diablo-D3> I think I've been abusing it too much
1146 2010-11-27 20:56:06 <djoot> I smoke too much...
1147 2010-11-27 20:56:37 <zc00gii> I only smoke weed(true story bro)
1148 2010-11-27 20:57:20 <djoot> That's good
1149 2010-11-27 20:57:37 <djoot> I'm trying to quit/cut down on tobacco too
1150 2010-11-27 20:58:11 <zc00gii> I smoke weed for many reasons, not just to get high
1151 2010-11-27 20:58:30 <zc00gii> emotional stability, relieve back pain, and apparently it helps with diabetes too
1152 2010-11-27 20:58:47 <djoot> yep, good medicine, that
1153 2010-11-27 20:58:56 <zc00gii> unfortunately
1154 2010-11-27 20:58:59 <zc00gii> it's still illegal here
1155 2010-11-27 20:59:07 <zc00gii> even for medicinal purposes
1156 2010-11-27 20:59:23 <zc00gii> I also grow and sell to make money for my sister and I to get into college
1157 2010-11-27 20:59:34 <djoot> yeah, drives the cost up.. it's sick :)
1158 2010-11-27 20:59:56 <zc00gii> yeah, I'm a bit glad it's still illegal here
1159 2010-11-27 21:00:10 <zc00gii> since it thrives on the black market, it's more expensive
1160 2010-11-27 21:01:04 <djoot> and one positive thing is, there are at least no taxes on that :)
1161 2010-11-27 21:01:11 <zc00gii> hehe, yeah
1162 2010-11-27 21:01:22 <zc00gii> they say it's $50 of tax on an ounce
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1164 2010-11-27 21:01:39 <zc00gii> but, then again, it'll prob be much cheaper total
1165 2010-11-27 21:01:45 <djoot> yep
1166 2010-11-27 21:01:54 <zc00gii> and you'd be able to grow it too, which has no tax
1167 2010-11-27 21:02:21 <djoot> true, you in california? :)
1168 2010-11-27 21:03:44 <djoot> saw a nice documentary, "Inside americas pot industry" lot of growing going on there :)
1169 2010-11-27 21:06:32 <Diablo-D3> djoot: its not a nice documentary
1170 2010-11-27 21:06:35 <Diablo-D3> its mostly bullshit
1171 2010-11-27 21:06:40 <Diablo-D3> all those cnbc documetaries suck
1172 2010-11-27 21:07:46 <djoot> lol, so they just made shit up? I think their numbers could be in the ballpark.
1173 2010-11-27 21:08:22 <djoot> sure there were some of the usual propaganda, but quite toned down I think :)
1174 2010-11-27 21:08:53 <Diablo-D3> Block 1 found on ATI RV770 at 3:44:04 PM
1175 2010-11-27 21:08:54 <Diablo-D3> ORLY
1176 2010-11-27 21:11:56 <djoot> so, is there current stats on the cards anywhere?
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1178 2010-11-27 21:26:39 <xelister> djoot: I know how much M from various cards
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1180 2010-11-27 21:55:03 <djoot> xelister: I'm looking at 5[5,7,9]70 and 6870
1181 2010-11-27 21:55:44 <xelister> I have the numberz
1182 2010-11-27 21:58:05 <djoot> ~75, ~150, ?, ? ? :)
1183 2010-11-27 22:00:07 jrabbit_ is now known as jrabbit
1184 2010-11-27 22:00:08 <xelister> Radeon HD 5550	41
1185 2010-11-27 22:00:10 <xelister> Radeon HD 5570	61
1186 2010-11-27 22:00:11 <xelister> Radeon HD 5750	119
1187 2010-11-27 22:00:13 <xelister> Radeon HD 5770	160 (confirmed, 153 not o.c.)
1188 2010-11-27 22:00:14 <xelister> Radeon HD 5850	246
1189 2010-11-27 22:00:16 <xelister> Radeon HD 5870	320
1190 2010-11-27 22:00:17 <xelister> Radeon HD 5970	546 (confirmed, 533 not o.c.)
1191 2010-11-27 22:00:19 <xelister> Mhash speed for given radeons
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1194 2010-11-27 22:00:41 <xelister> practical mining speed is 95% of theoretical numbers given above
1195 2010-11-27 22:02:44 <xelister> Diablo-D3: I hit your bug again.  GPU load drops to 90% ... 85% ... after using desktop for a moment. Also, then (using desktop in opencalc) computer was working like shit. Hmm, after a minute or two GPU usage seems to partially recover, 91% now
1196 2010-11-27 22:02:53 <xelister> *openoffice
1197 2010-11-27 22:03:04 <Diablo-D3> xelister: dunno.
1198 2010-11-27 22:03:27 <Diablo-D3> xelister: btw, thats bsd
1199 2010-11-27 22:03:31 <Diablo-D3> er, bs
1200 2010-11-27 22:03:33 <xelister> Diablo-D3: cpu use by java stays at 80100%
1201 2010-11-27 22:03:35 <xelister> Diablo-D3: cpu use by java stays at 80-100%
1202 2010-11-27 22:03:41 <Diablo-D3> 95% theoretical usage is pretty low
1203 2010-11-27 22:03:46 <Diablo-D3> I hit 99.1% on my 4850
1204 2010-11-27 22:03:46 <xelister> and Xorg 50-70%  although im not doing anything
1205 2010-11-27 22:04:09 <xelister> ok I think the exact bug can be described as follows
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1207 2010-11-27 22:04:36 <xelister> your miner sucks donkey's after heaving a period of high desktop activity - then it starts using tons of CPU and not utilizing GPU properly
1208 2010-11-27 22:04:50 <xelister> perhaps the fps limiting code is causing this
1209 2010-11-27 22:05:02 <Diablo-D3> then thats actually working correctly.
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1211 2010-11-27 22:06:34 <xelister> wtf
1212 2010-11-27 22:06:36 <xelister> corerctly?
1213 2010-11-27 22:06:59 <xelister> is this bush marketing?  moning is shit and cpu overloads and MISSION accompoilsjed? lol
1214 2010-11-27 22:07:15 <xelister> it has 100 cpu and 80 gpu  AFTER the desktop activity had ended!
1215 2010-11-27 22:07:40 <Diablo-D3> yes, and it should rise as fast as it went down
1216 2010-11-27 22:07:51 <Diablo-D3> xelister: didnt you say you were still using that broken driver?
1217 2010-11-27 22:10:55 AAA_awright_ is now known as AAA_awright
1218 2010-11-27 22:19:33 <djoot> xelister: thanks
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1222 2010-11-27 23:03:01 Akiraa has joined
1223 2010-11-27 23:03:20 <Akiraa> How do I change my bitcoin address? I tried modifying the address bar, but it's read-only
1224 2010-11-27 23:03:29 kiba` has joined
1225 2010-11-27 23:04:21 <Akiraa> I also can't delete receiving addresses
1226 2010-11-27 23:04:43 <bencoder> click the new button? it's been a while since i saw the gui
1227 2010-11-27 23:04:45 <Akiraa> I had some credits in bitcoin and reformatted the hard disk, but copied the old address
1228 2010-11-27 23:05:03 <bencoder> yeah that won't work
1229 2010-11-27 23:06:15 <bencoder> there's much more to your account than just the address, otherwise when you send your address to someone so they can send you coins, they could use your account
1230 2010-11-27 23:06:43 <Akiraa> so how do you transfer a bitcoin account to another computer? you have to have the other account up and running?
1231 2010-11-27 23:06:56 <bencoder> you move the wallet.dat file that bitcoin creates
1232 2010-11-27 23:07:03 <Akiraa> ah
1233 2010-11-27 23:07:32 <Akiraa> so deleting wallet.dat has the effect of removing the undeletable receiving addresses?
1234 2010-11-27 23:07:46 kiba has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1235 2010-11-27 23:08:10 <bencoder> why do you want to delete them?
1236 2010-11-27 23:08:25 <theymos> It permanently deletes the addresses and any coins they own.
1237 2010-11-27 23:08:30 <Akiraa> I don't need them
1238 2010-11-27 23:08:48 <Akiraa> created a couple by accident
1239 2010-11-27 23:08:58 <bencoder> it doesn't matter
1240 2010-11-27 23:09:39 <theymos> You don't even touch the network when creating addresses. Create as many as you like.
1241 2010-11-27 23:09:39 <xelister> Diablo-D3: it stays up
1242 2010-11-27 23:09:47 <xelister> also, running miner makes playing flash useless
1243 2010-11-27 23:09:49 <xelister> it sucks
1244 2010-11-27 23:10:14 <xelister> Diablo-D3: how to make miner even nicer to be in background, to just use IDLE power\
1245 2010-11-27 23:22:21 <xelister> brb
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1248 2010-11-27 23:24:13 * kiba` annoys bober182 for offering torrents invite to people
1249 2010-11-27 23:28:48 <bencoder> do more drawings :)
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1251 2010-11-27 23:32:26 <kiba`> bencoder: I am uploading
1252 2010-11-27 23:32:51 <bencoder> :)
1253 2010-11-27 23:39:25 * kiba` grumbles about slowdown
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1255 2010-11-27 23:42:39 <hadronzoo> I wonder if bitcoin could be the base of a platform to provide a truly distributed alternative DNS root
1256 2010-11-27 23:44:20 <theymos> Probably not Bitcoin, but the block chain structure would probably work for that. There's a thread about "bitDNS" on the forum.
1257 2010-11-27 23:45:08 <kiba`> the problem alway centers around human resources to implement it
1258 2010-11-27 23:45:43 <hadronzoo> Interesting, I'll check it out. The reason I say bitcoin is that it would be nice to include payment and transfers into the protocol
1259 2010-11-27 23:45:51 <hadronzoo> It would make a good thesis
1260 2010-11-27 23:45:58 <theymos> kiba`: Luckily, we're all going to massively rich from our Bitcoin investments. ;D
1261 2010-11-27 23:46:55 <hadronzoo> You could still have a traditional DNS server that sits atop the transaction log updating its index and cache
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