1 2010-11-28 00:07:41 <acous> could someone send me 0.01 coins? just wanna see how a transaction looks
2 2010-11-28 00:07:53 <ColonelPanic> it's a scam!
3 2010-11-28 00:07:57 <kiba`> address
4 2010-11-28 00:08:00 <kiba`> please
5 2010-11-28 00:08:16 <acous> 16qSsCLSFq2YeBg2N4cXA1qTjwjDDpKVWu
6 2010-11-28 00:08:35 <acous> i assume it's safe to post an address publicly
7 2010-11-28 00:09:07 <AAA_awright> acous: Use the faucet?
8 2010-11-28 00:09:18 <acous> the faucet?
9 2010-11-28 00:09:35 <AAA_awright> https://freebitcoins.appspot.com/
10 2010-11-28 00:09:48 <acous> oh, thx
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13 2010-11-28 00:15:19 * acous twiddles his thumbs. how long should a transaction take?
14 2010-11-28 00:16:04 <theymos> acous: It's usually immediate, but you won't see it until you have all ~94000 blocks.
15 2010-11-28 00:16:32 <acous> ah ok, 78000 so far. thanks :)
16 2010-11-28 00:18:24 <hadronzoo> For me, Bitcoin on OS X fails to download blocks for days. I'm not sure why, given I have several (currently 84) connections
17 2010-11-28 00:19:24 <theymos> hadronzoo: (You should never have that many connections.) What does debug.log say?
18 2010-11-28 00:20:18 <hadronzoo> theymos: I had to soft link it to /dev/null to prevent it from hanging my machine (since I run FileVault)
19 2010-11-28 00:20:31 <genjix> hadronzoo: heard others also having trouble on mac b4
20 2010-11-28 00:20:36 <theymos> That problem is fixed in the latest version.
21 2010-11-28 00:20:44 <theymos> (The debug.log problem.)
22 2010-11-28 00:21:07 <acous> does the os x dev(s) hang out here?
23 2010-11-28 00:21:35 <theymos> I've never seen him.
24 2010-11-28 00:21:58 * kiba` announce his latest revision
25 2010-11-28 00:22:01 <hadronzoo> I have 0.3.13. Is there an XCode project I can build for OS X?
26 2010-11-28 00:22:32 kiba` is now known as kiba
27 2010-11-28 00:24:22 <theymos> I have no idea how you could compile on OS X. Maybe you could deal with the debug.log problem better by running with -printtoconsole and piping that output to some buffering program or something.
28 2010-11-28 00:25:10 <theymos> Though I think Bitcoin does something unusual with -printtoconsole that could make piping impossible.
29 2010-11-28 00:26:27 * acous is mocking up a bitcoin osx concept http://cl.ly/3O362K3K440b1Z2r3Z2d
30 2010-11-28 00:26:32 <hadronzoo> I'll look at the source to see how difficult it will be to compile
31 2010-11-28 00:26:49 <hadronzoo> acous: nice
32 2010-11-28 00:26:53 <acous> :)
33 2010-11-28 00:27:50 <hadronzoo> acous: the code seems pretty well factored, so writing a Cocoa or iOS front-end should be possible
34 2010-11-28 00:28:17 <acous> cool
35 2010-11-28 00:28:54 <acous> maybe i'll download xcode and try my hand at it
36 2010-11-28 00:30:16 <hadronzoo> the osx makefile has hardcoded directories in it
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70 2010-11-28 01:05:22 <Diablo-D3> hrrrm
71 2010-11-28 01:05:30 <Diablo-D3> split mode doesnt work.
72 2010-11-28 01:07:21 <Diablo-D3> wait, I lied, it doesz
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77 2010-11-28 01:18:38 <manveru> i've tried the faucet yesterday, and left the generator running all night, but my balance is still 0.000000?
78 2010-11-28 01:20:28 <theymos> It takes most people months to generate any coins. The faucet might have detected something suspicious about you, or you might not have all ~94000 blocks (you need all of them to receive transactions).
79 2010-11-28 01:20:46 <theymos> What address did you use?
80 2010-11-28 01:21:11 <manveru> 1LKjqYrnRSzMwaPJWTRSDpk2577UszbwBb
81 2010-11-28 01:21:50 <theymos> You just don't have all blocks. The coins have already been sent to you: http://blockexplorer.com/a/92siAqXv1S
82 2010-11-28 01:22:21 <manveru> and months... i'm doing this on my notebook, can't really have my CPU eating away my battery during the day
83 2010-11-28 01:22:34 <manveru> thanks
84 2010-11-28 01:22:51 <theymos> It's not usually profitable electricity-wise if you're not using a GPU.
85 2010-11-28 01:23:30 <manveru> also, when i woke up, there were thousands of entries in the debug.log that look like: trying connection lastseen=-135.6hrs lasttry=-358582.4hrs
86 2010-11-28 01:23:47 <theymos> How many connections do you have?
87 2010-11-28 01:24:05 <manveru> 2 right now
88 2010-11-28 01:24:09 <MT`AwAy> manveru: tell us the stuff written on the low part of your window (connections+blocks)
89 2010-11-28 01:24:11 <manveru> it had around 80 yesterday
90 2010-11-28 01:24:31 <manveru> MT`AwAy: i only run bitcoind
91 2010-11-28 01:24:54 <theymos> How many blocks do you have?
92 2010-11-28 01:25:04 <manveru> blockcount and blocknumber are 29124
93 2010-11-28 01:25:17 <theymos> How fast is that increasing?
94 2010-11-28 01:26:07 <manveru> around 1 every 4 seconds
95 2010-11-28 01:26:12 <jgarzik> ouch
96 2010-11-28 01:26:20 <MT`AwAy> manveru: try restarting it, then, it /might/ help you to get blocks from a faster peer
97 2010-11-28 01:26:20 <theymos> Are you on Windows?
98 2010-11-28 01:26:29 <manveru> linux
99 2010-11-28 01:27:09 <theymos> Try running Bitcoin with the -addnode=99.27.237.13 switch. That connects directly to me.
100 2010-11-28 01:29:25 <jgarzik> manveru: 32-bit or 64-bit linux?
101 2010-11-28 01:29:51 <manveru> 64
102 2010-11-28 01:30:09 <theymos> Those "trying connection" messages with huge numbers means that you've failed to connect to the IRC bootstrap channel, and you're now trying the built-in seednodes. Most of the seednodes are down, so it takes a long time to find a good one. I wouldn't think it should take more than a few hours, though.
103 2010-11-28 01:30:44 <manveru> now 'blkindex.dat flush' takes a few minutes :|
104 2010-11-28 01:30:45 <MT`AwAy> talking about nodes, 174.120.185.74 should be a nice ip too to connect to (one of my servers)
105 2010-11-28 01:31:04 <manveru> oh well
106 2010-11-28 01:33:38 <jgarzik> manveru: if you give me a few minutes to upload, you may download ~94000 blocks directly from me as a compressed tarball
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109 2010-11-28 01:36:55 <xelister> Diablo-D3: any idea how to make your miner work nice in backgrund?
110 2010-11-28 01:37:13 <manveru> still hangs on flush
111 2010-11-28 01:38:33 <jgarzik> manveru: http://yyz.us/bitcoin/blocks-linux-64bit.tar.bz2 if you wish to jump straight to block ~94,200
112 2010-11-28 01:38:49 <jgarzik> manveru: shut down bitcoin, replace your blk0001.dat and blkindex.dat with those files, then restart.
113 2010-11-28 01:39:00 <jgarzik> manveru: ~ 68 MB, bzip2-compressed
114 2010-11-28 01:39:17 <theymos> manveru: Are you on some network file system?
115 2010-11-28 01:39:47 <manveru> no, just a normal harddisk
116 2010-11-28 01:40:15 <manveru> it's only 5200 rpm though
117 2010-11-28 01:40:22 <jgarzik> plenty fast enough
118 2010-11-28 01:41:05 <manveru> anyway, i don't think i can use bitcoin anyway, if it takes months to generate a coin
119 2010-11-28 01:41:39 <jgarzik> manveru: you can use it, you just probably won't get free money
120 2010-11-28 01:42:24 <jgarzik> manveru: the normal way for most to get bitcoins is to obtain them from an exchanger
121 2010-11-28 01:42:25 <manveru> well, my money is in here in japan, so i can't just convert any either
122 2010-11-28 01:43:11 <jgarzik> manveru: money from Japan spends just like any other :)
123 2010-11-28 01:43:38 <jgarzik> manveru: looking for yen-to-bitcoin exchanger, I guess?
124 2010-11-28 01:44:09 <manveru> yeah
125 2010-11-28 01:44:50 <theymos> Isn't MT`AwAy in Japan?
126 2010-11-28 01:45:12 <manveru> ok, i've inserted the .dat files, let's see how that goes
127 2010-11-28 01:47:34 <MT`AwAy> theymos: I'm in Japan, but I also got servers in USA/Europe
128 2010-11-28 01:47:59 <MT`AwAy> I do JPY=>Bitcoin exchanges btw
129 2010-11-28 01:48:08 * kiba only generate two block of bitcoins and will probably never generate another one
130 2010-11-28 01:48:29 <MT`AwAy> kiba: you forgot your uppercase this morning
131 2010-11-28 01:48:30 <MT`AwAy> :D
132 2010-11-28 01:48:47 <kiba> upper case?
133 2010-11-28 01:49:02 <manveru> oi kiba
134 2010-11-28 01:49:15 <jgarzik> manveru: keep an eye on debug.log for activity. normal startup, once all blocks are downloaded, includes a significant pause during the "loading block index" step.
135 2010-11-28 01:49:41 <MT`AwAy> kiba: usually your are Kiba and not kiba, this makes your color different on my irc client :p
136 2010-11-28 01:50:05 <MT`AwAy> manveru: anyway if you want bitcoins just tell me
137 2010-11-28 01:50:07 kiba is now known as Kiba
138 2010-11-28 01:50:18 <manveru> :)
139 2010-11-28 01:50:44 <manveru> MT`AwAy: i've been trying to find ways to get around paypal for my employer
140 2010-11-28 01:51:12 <Kiba> bitcoin have no presence in the Asian market
141 2010-11-28 01:51:22 <MT`AwAy> I'm selling services with my japanese company in bitcoins, and to sell them I've joined btcex
142 2010-11-28 01:51:45 <manveru> right now they pay me by credit-card to paypal, and i forward that to my bank account... but the fees are crazy
143 2010-11-28 01:52:00 <MT`AwAy> manveru: 3.9%+0.25
144 2010-11-28 01:52:05 <MT`AwAy> I know, I have the same problem :D
145 2010-11-28 01:52:32 <manveru> that plus USD<=>JPY rate
146 2010-11-28 01:52:34 <MT`AwAy> moneybookers only takes 2.9%+0.29 in worst case, but getting to be a merchant requires you to translate company documents first
147 2010-11-28 01:52:44 <MT`AwAy> manveru: 2.5% conversion fee, thank you paypal
148 2010-11-28 01:53:50 <manveru> i've tried a normal account on moneybookers to try it, but it seems like they didn't take american express
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150 2010-11-28 01:54:27 <manveru> god knows why, they list it everywhere as available, but wasn't an option when we tried it
151 2010-11-28 01:54:53 <MT`AwAy> no
152 2010-11-28 01:55:01 <MT`AwAy> they list nothing as available if you're not merchant
153 2010-11-28 01:55:12 <manveru> hm
154 2010-11-28 01:55:27 <MT`AwAy> becoming merchant is free
155 2010-11-28 01:55:35 <MT`AwAy> but getting notarized translations is not
156 2010-11-28 01:55:47 <manveru> but you need a company to do that
157 2010-11-28 01:55:49 <MT`AwAy> (and since I'm only me in my company, and I'm not originally Japanese, I have no idea how to get that)
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159 2010-11-28 01:57:22 <manveru> well, i'm under contract for an US company, but me and my family live in japan...
160 2010-11-28 01:58:52 <MT`AwAy> oh
161 2010-11-28 01:59:11 <MT`AwAy> if they are in US, bitcoins shouldn't be a problem for them (or you are trying to sell stuff yourself in bitcoins?)
162 2010-11-28 02:00:11 <manveru> yeah, that's what i hope
163 2010-11-28 02:01:02 <manveru> but i still need a way to buy my food... :)
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166 2010-11-28 02:02:02 <Kiba> manveru: so you're Japanese?
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168 2010-11-28 02:03:54 <manveru> i'm austrian
169 2010-11-28 02:04:03 <Kiba> as an actual Austrian?
170 2010-11-28 02:04:12 <manveru> yes
171 2010-11-28 02:04:17 <Kiba> oh cool
172 2010-11-28 02:04:24 <manveru> and you're the guy who wrote the tamagochi-thing in ruby, no?
173 2010-11-28 02:04:30 <Kiba> wha?
174 2010-11-28 02:04:35 <Kiba> yeah, it was a failure.
175 2010-11-28 02:04:39 <Kiba> ;)
176 2010-11-28 02:04:42 <manveru> hehe
177 2010-11-28 02:05:13 <manveru> you're chinese?
178 2010-11-28 02:05:17 <Kiba> No
179 2010-11-28 02:05:25 <Kiba> I am Vietnamese
180 2010-11-28 02:05:33 <manveru> oh, sorry
181 2010-11-28 02:06:01 <Kiba> An Asian woman the other day thought I was Korean
182 2010-11-28 02:06:28 <Kiba> an Asian classmate alway get my ethnicity wrong :)
183 2010-11-28 02:07:09 <manveru> well, it's hard for me to classify in person, but over the internet it's a whole lot harder :)
184 2010-11-28 02:08:17 <manveru> so what're you up to these days?
185 2010-11-28 02:08:31 <Kiba> working on bitcoin related stuff
186 2010-11-28 02:08:39 <Kiba> trying to get my web app running
187 2010-11-28 02:08:49 <Kiba> making money by drawing
188 2010-11-28 02:09:04 <MT`AwAy> [10:52:47] <manveru> but i still need a way to buy my food... :) <- for now I can sell you bitcoins :p
189 2010-11-28 02:09:05 <Kiba> I think I earned .25 bitcents
190 2010-11-28 02:09:57 <manveru> jgarzik: connectioncount is up to 7 now
191 2010-11-28 02:10:29 <MT`AwAy> manveru: did you open the bitcoin incoming port?
192 2010-11-28 02:10:41 <MT`AwAy> http://www.bitcoin.org/faq#How_do_I_open_port_8333
193 2010-11-28 02:10:48 <manveru> oh
194 2010-11-28 02:10:59 <MT`AwAy> yeah
195 2010-11-28 02:11:06 <MT`AwAy> might help a bit too
196 2010-11-28 02:11:15 * MT`AwAy is back to his bitcoin client
197 2010-11-28 02:12:21 <manveru> Kiba: found your stuff on twitter, but you don't have previews or anything?
198 2010-11-28 02:13:41 <MT`AwAy> I was thinking the same thing
199 2010-11-28 02:13:42 <MT`AwAy> :p
200 2010-11-28 02:14:30 <manveru> not that i'd have 0.02 btc anyway :)
201 2010-11-28 02:15:02 <MT`AwAy> manveru: what was your bitcoin address?
202 2010-11-28 02:15:24 <manveru> 1LKjqYrnRSzMwaPJWTRSDpk2577UszbwBb
203 2010-11-28 02:15:25 <MT`AwAy> (oh, you don't have the blocks yet, so it won't matter)
204 2010-11-28 02:15:56 <manveru> jgarzik: sent me the blocks, but it didn't change my balance
205 2010-11-28 02:16:22 <MT`AwAy> manveru: in your getinfo you're at block 94236 ?
206 2010-11-28 02:16:55 <manveru> yeah
207 2010-11-28 02:17:04 <MT`AwAy> mh
208 2010-11-28 02:17:19 <manveru> haven't done the port thing yet
209 2010-11-28 02:17:33 <MT`AwAy> trx:3f7b838444943b797101a2663579d572301506ddd555525ed013b425ba574630
210 2010-11-28 02:18:45 <theymos> You won't notice transactions to yourself when you use someone else's block databases. Running Bitcoin with -checkblocks might cause a recheck, but I'm not sure.
211 2010-11-28 02:19:32 <theymos> You might also use these databases, which are older: http://knightmb.dyndns.org/files/bitcoin/blocks/
212 2010-11-28 02:19:58 <MT`AwAy> theymos: with my bitcoin client, you do (block database is in a separate file than the "this block has been analyzed" info)
213 2010-11-28 02:20:30 <MT`AwAy> manveru: I sent you an extra 0.05 btc anyway, which should be in a few blocks
214 2010-11-28 02:21:32 <MT`AwAy> mh
215 2010-11-28 02:21:37 <MT`AwAy> looks like I generated 50 btc again
216 2010-11-28 02:21:58 <theymos> MT`AwAy: I think manveru replaced blkindex.dat, too. (Would it even work to replace only blk*.dat files?)
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218 2010-11-28 02:23:42 <MT`AwAy> theymos: I don't know for the current bitcoin client, and I don't have the time/will to read the whole main.cpp file
219 2010-11-28 02:24:33 <MT`AwAy> I'm coding my own bitcoin client, and when I'm not sure about something I grep my way around in the original bitcoin client
220 2010-11-28 02:28:31 <manveru> MT`AwAy: thanks
221 2010-11-28 02:28:44 <MT`AwAy> :p
222 2010-11-28 02:29:00 <manveru> just trying to dig out my router credentials... :)
223 2010-11-28 02:30:11 <MT`AwAy> manveru: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9JPvbn4JEw <- if you want some music to go with that (ok, it's crap, I recorded that with my iphone, didn't plan to record anything that day anyway)
224 2010-11-28 02:31:04 <jgarzik> knightmb sure did disappear from the scene
225 2010-11-28 02:33:46 <manveru> lol
226 2010-11-28 02:34:48 <manveru> found it :D
227 2010-11-28 02:36:10 <Kiba> I like...the smeeeeeeeeel of bitcoins
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229 2010-11-28 02:43:45 <manveru> MT`AwAy: not that bad for a phone
230 2010-11-28 02:44:16 <MT`AwAy> manveru: iphone 4, it has HD camera, but the microphone had a hard time recording the singer's voice correctly
231 2010-11-28 02:44:27 <MT`AwAy> (oh, and I was holding the phone the whole time)
232 2010-11-28 02:49:06 <Kiba> landline phones are disappearing
233 2010-11-28 02:49:27 <Kiba> and phones is beginning to denoate much more than just a phone......
234 2010-11-28 02:49:35 <MT`AwAy> instead we have IP phones
235 2010-11-28 02:49:38 <MT`AwAy> :p
236 2010-11-28 02:50:09 <MT`AwAy> I'd be selling voip services in bitcoins if bitcoins wasn't so volatile
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238 2010-11-28 02:50:38 <manveru> seems like this router doesn't even require a reboot
239 2010-11-28 02:51:32 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: you can just set a floating rate...
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241 2010-11-28 02:52:37 <MT`AwAy> right now I update the rate automatically from mtgox's ticker, but it's not good anyway since there's a delay between "I receive funds" and "I sell bitcoins"
242 2010-11-28 02:52:50 <MT`AwAy> anyway there's too many fees
243 2010-11-28 02:53:06 <jgarzik> the best things in life are fee
244 2010-11-28 02:53:09 <jgarzik> or was that free?
245 2010-11-28 02:53:36 <MT`AwAy> converting bitcoins to JPY costs almost 10%
246 2010-11-28 02:55:00 <Kiba> ouch
247 2010-11-28 02:55:06 <Kiba> how does the conversion process work
248 2010-11-28 02:55:14 <Kiba> going from bitcoins to liberty dollars and then to yen?
249 2010-11-28 02:55:20 <MT`AwAy> through paypal
250 2010-11-28 02:55:31 <MT`AwAy> there's nobody converting LRUSD to JPY directly
251 2010-11-28 02:55:49 <MT`AwAy> paypal takes 3.9%+0.25fix to receive USD, then 2.5% fee to convert to JPY
252 2010-11-28 02:55:58 <MT`AwAy> mtgox to LRUSD takes 1% too
253 2010-11-28 02:56:11 <MT`AwAy> and not all guys take LRUSD to paypal at 1:1 rate
254 2010-11-28 02:56:12 <manveru> uh oh
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256 2010-11-28 02:56:36 <Kiba> maybe you could open up a market by finding cheaper way to convert yen into bitcoins
257 2010-11-28 02:56:43 <MT`AwAy> that's why I joined btcex.com to sell bitcoins directly in jpy
258 2010-11-28 02:58:17 <MT`AwAy> (well, try to)
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260 2010-11-28 03:08:35 <mtgox> MT`AwAy: how are you doing that on btcex ?
261 2010-11-28 03:11:41 <sneak> hi guys
262 2010-11-28 03:11:46 <sneak> mtgox: can i withdraw now
263 2010-11-28 03:11:52 <sneak> is everything all better
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266 2010-11-28 03:28:45 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|Oh hey, I lost my hat
267 2010-11-28 03:28:49 * nameless !~root@weowntheinter.net|chuckles
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273 2010-11-28 04:03:27 <canadaduane> Hey all. New bitcoin user here... it seems like there are a lot of hoops to jump through to buy bitcoins with USD. (So far, my adventures lead me to believe the best path is USD->PayPal->ExchangeZone->LibertyReserve->MtGox->BitCoin).
274 2010-11-28 04:03:35 <canadaduane> Is there a better way?
275 2010-11-28 04:03:56 <sgornick> bitcoingateway.com accepts Visa / MC.. starting back up Monday am.
276 2010-11-28 04:04:22 <canadaduane> Ah, much better. I'll wait until Monday then. Thanks :)
277 2010-11-28 04:04:38 <MT`AwAy> canadaduane: you could also do something and have people pay bitcoins for it :p
278 2010-11-28 04:05:01 <canadaduane> BTW, this is the coolest currency innovation I've seen in a while... I'm excited to follow it for a while and see where we all take it
279 2010-11-28 04:05:11 <Kiba> hello
280 2010-11-28 04:05:17 <Kiba> I am your resident bitcoin artist
281 2010-11-28 04:05:22 <MT`AwAy> yep
282 2010-11-28 04:05:26 <canadaduane> MT`AwAy: Heh, indeed. When I have something to sell, I will do so ;)
283 2010-11-28 04:05:30 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: when will you provide previews of the stuff you sell?
284 2010-11-28 04:05:38 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: when hippich implement it
285 2010-11-28 04:06:02 <MT`AwAy> I don't want to spend bitcoins on something I don't even know the style nor anything
286 2010-11-28 04:07:10 <Kiba> hmm, Hippich must be making quite a bit of money or something
287 2010-11-28 04:07:11 <Kiba> or not
288 2010-11-28 04:10:43 <acous> what kind of artist Kiba ? plus are you hackerkiba on twitter? :)
289 2010-11-28 04:11:12 <Kiba> I am hackerkiba
290 2010-11-28 04:11:18 <Kiba> acous: I drew in the anime style
291 2010-11-28 04:11:41 <acous> ah cool
292 2010-11-28 04:12:05 <acous> you msged me there (@cows)
293 2010-11-28 04:14:20 * acous might yet be resident icon/UI artist :)
294 2010-11-28 04:16:15 <Kiba> I am learning my trade...
295 2010-11-28 04:16:34 <sgornick> canadaduane: There's also http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1625.0
296 2010-11-28 04:19:02 <MT`AwAy> I got LRUSD from my bitcoins a while ago, but I think I'll convert back to bitcoins, it's almost impossible to have JPY from LRUSD
297 2010-11-28 04:19:24 Guest97242 is now known as drazak
298 2010-11-28 04:19:31 <canadaduane> sgornick: thx
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301 2010-11-28 04:26:16 <canadaduane> Oh, one other thing... I'm curious about how often a new coin is "generated". I've been "generating" on my macbook pro (2.5 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo) for about 2 days now but I haven't seen my "Balance" increase. Is this to be expected?
302 2010-11-28 04:27:53 <chronomex> when you finish a block before anyone else, you'll win the 50 coins for that block
303 2010-11-28 04:28:30 <MT`AwAy> canadaduane: new coins are generated every ~10 minutes
304 2010-11-28 04:28:43 <MT`AwAy> however there's a lot of people doing it, and they have really strong hardware
305 2010-11-28 04:29:07 <MT`AwAy> so your chances of generating a new coin are low (the longer you do it, the more you may generate coins)
306 2010-11-28 04:29:29 <MT`AwAy> it's just like a lottery you play a few million times per second
307 2010-11-28 04:29:36 <MT`AwAy> while some people play it a few billion times per second
308 2010-11-28 04:29:38 <canadaduane> aww, I see
309 2010-11-28 04:29:42 <canadaduane> lol
310 2010-11-28 04:29:46 * MT`AwAy thinks abour Art
311 2010-11-28 04:29:49 <chronomex> damn hoarders.
312 2010-11-28 04:29:58 <MT`AwAy> about*
313 2010-11-28 04:30:16 <MT`AwAy> anyway "gpu mining" is the way to go if you want to make a business based on bitcoins generation
314 2010-11-28 04:30:30 <MT`AwAy> buy gpus, spend lots in electricity bill and cover your fees with bitcoins
315 2010-11-28 04:30:36 <MT`AwAy> only... it'll come to be not interesting
316 2010-11-28 04:30:53 <canadaduane> Why do you say that?
317 2010-11-28 04:31:11 <MT`AwAy> more and more people are busy mining, causing difficulty to increase
318 2010-11-28 04:31:20 <canadaduane> Ah, I see. Arms race.
319 2010-11-28 04:31:25 <MT`AwAy> also, at some points you'll get 25 btc per block and no longer 50, so even less profits
320 2010-11-28 04:31:32 <canadaduane> Right
321 2010-11-28 04:31:38 <canadaduane> I heard about the thresholds
322 2010-11-28 04:31:45 <MT`AwAy> right now mining with cpu power is considered not interesting (you spend more in electricity than you can get in btc)
323 2010-11-28 04:32:07 <canadaduane> Oh, I see. Interesting = wortwhile
324 2010-11-28 04:32:14 <MT`AwAy> yep
325 2010-11-28 04:32:26 <MT`AwAy> I still do it on my servers since I don't pay electricity there :D
326 2010-11-28 04:32:34 <MT`AwAy> (and got lots of cpu power I don't use)
327 2010-11-28 04:33:07 <MT`AwAy> so far I generated an average of one block per week
328 2010-11-28 04:33:17 <MT`AwAy> (only 3 weeks, so it's not reliable calculation yet)
329 2010-11-28 04:34:21 <chronomex> yeah. I'm currently working on a way of conning people into giving me bitcoins.
330 2010-11-28 04:34:25 <chronomex> er
331 2010-11-28 04:34:25 <chronomex> selling services.
332 2010-11-28 04:34:30 <chronomex> >.>
333 2010-11-28 04:34:32 <chronomex> <.<
334 2010-11-28 04:34:49 <canadaduane> So why do people generate blocks right now, if it's not worthwhile? Shouldn't we wait until their valuation increases?
335 2010-11-28 04:35:04 * Kiba is working on his billing feature
336 2010-11-28 04:35:21 <chronomex> canadaduane: valuation decreases with time, not increases
337 2010-11-28 04:35:22 <Kiba> canadaduane: generating right now..help increase the security right now...
338 2010-11-28 04:36:05 <canadaduane> chronomex: not according to historical USD/bitcoin charts
339 2010-11-28 04:37:10 <chronomex> er, not what I meant. value of creating a block, in BTC, decreases with time.
340 2010-11-28 04:38:13 <MT`AwAy> canadaduane: generating from GPU is worthwhile
341 2010-11-28 04:38:21 <canadaduane> interesting
342 2010-11-28 04:38:32 <MT`AwAy> since only some people do it
343 2010-11-28 04:38:42 <MT`AwAy> (and a few do it seriously, with many gpu at the same time)
344 2010-11-28 04:39:34 <canadaduane> How should I read the "Difficulty" value on http://www.bitcoinwatch.com/? It is currently at 6866.9
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346 2010-11-28 04:53:00 <MT`AwAy> canadaduane: http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=difficulty
347 2010-11-28 04:53:24 <canadaduane> Ah, a wiki. Thanks.
348 2010-11-28 04:53:48 <MT`AwAy> you can use the current difficulty level with the calculator
349 2010-11-28 04:55:14 <canadaduane> Oh gosh. avg 250 days
350 2010-11-28 04:56:24 <MT`AwAy> canadaduane: that's what I mean by "not worthwhile"
351 2010-11-28 04:59:21 <acous> if china puts their top supercomputer on the task of generating blocks... can they take all the rest of the bitcoins?
352 2010-11-28 04:59:37 <MT`AwAy> acous: they'll take up to 2016 blocks
353 2010-11-28 04:59:42 <MT`AwAy> then difficulty will be adapted to the new speed
354 2010-11-28 05:00:04 <acous> ah, hmm
355 2010-11-28 05:00:46 <MT`AwAy> if their supercomputer is 1000 times faster than all the gpu miners that there will be on bitcoin at that time, they'll still have most of the bitcoins
356 2010-11-28 05:00:53 <MT`AwAy> however it'd be a big waste of resources
357 2010-11-28 05:01:40 <MT`AwAy> someone with really a lot of cpu power could also generate 2016 blocks quickly, then leave the network as is, generating the next 2016 blocks will be more than challenging
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360 2010-11-28 05:31:02 <skx> is there a text-only/console/gui-less client?
361 2010-11-28 05:31:12 <theymos> Yes. bitcoind
362 2010-11-28 05:34:29 <skx> thanks
363 2010-11-28 05:37:53 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: well, unless you have immediate need to translate the usd into jpy, you could just save the 10% and keep it in goxusd/btc
364 2010-11-28 05:38:10 <nanotube> or even lrusd, if you don't trust mtgox with your balance. :)
365 2010-11-28 05:41:04 <MT`AwAy> well, for now I'm just keeping that in btc on my servers
366 2010-11-28 05:41:55 <MT`AwAy> I tried to convert a small amount, but now I'm stuck with LRUSD
367 2010-11-28 05:42:10 <nanotube> well, you can deposit the lrusd back into mtgox ):
368 2010-11-28 05:42:13 <nanotube> :) that is
369 2010-11-28 05:43:18 <nanotube> but anyway, if your goal is to 'lock in' your profit from selling your services into a more widely-accepted currency, usd is probably fine. usd/jpy is certainly less volatile than btc/usd, based on the past few months.
370 2010-11-28 05:44:30 <nanotube> if you accumulate enough goxusd, you could then get mtgox to wire you the funds... even as little as $1000, would be cheaper than paying 10%.
371 2010-11-28 05:45:21 <MT`AwAy> mh
372 2010-11-28 05:45:31 <MT`AwAy> lately, usd/btc is less volatile than jpy/usd
373 2010-11-28 05:45:46 <nanotube> haha well, i guess it all depends on the time window you're looking at. :)
374 2010-11-28 05:45:52 <MT`AwAy> :p
375 2010-11-28 05:46:08 <MT`AwAy> anyway for now there's not many sales
376 2010-11-28 05:46:12 <MT`AwAy> in btc
377 2010-11-28 05:46:15 <MT`AwAy> so it's still fine
378 2010-11-28 05:46:47 <MT`AwAy> except that on the accounting side, btc are assimilated to losses
379 2010-11-28 05:47:08 <MT`AwAy> unless I can convert to local currency by the next exercice
380 2010-11-28 05:47:14 <MT`AwAy> (april 1st)
381 2010-11-28 05:47:41 <MT`AwAy> anyway we'll see by then
382 2010-11-28 05:55:03 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: so your accounting deals with non-jpy currency as a loss eh? you could at least count the stuff at 'current market value'
383 2010-11-28 05:58:26 <skx> I'm running bitcoin, with gui, precompiled binary, generating coins, how can I see progress?
384 2010-11-28 05:58:36 <skx> balance will be increasing?
385 2010-11-28 05:58:50 <theymos> There is no progress. There is a very small chance per second of getting 50 BTC.
386 2010-11-28 06:00:17 <skx> ok, I don't understand the process then, back to documentation
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388 2010-11-28 06:00:48 <theymos> Check out http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=target
389 2010-11-28 06:00:58 <Kiba> skx: bitcoin generation...is...mostly pointless
390 2010-11-28 06:01:19 <skx> shouldn't it be resource-intensive?
391 2010-11-28 06:01:53 <manveru> i just wish the resoucres would be used for something useful...
392 2010-11-28 06:02:04 <Kiba> manveru: it is doing something useful
393 2010-11-28 06:02:16 <theymos> It's not profitable electricity-wise to generate with a CPU (unless your electricity is free). It's only profitable if you're using a GPU.
394 2010-11-28 06:02:18 <Kiba> it help secure the network
395 2010-11-28 06:02:27 <skx> ok, there it is, it was just warming up
396 2010-11-28 06:02:39 <manveru> Kiba: secure the network?
397 2010-11-28 06:03:10 <Kiba> prevent double spending and stuff
398 2010-11-28 06:03:32 <manveru> what exactly is it calculating?
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400 2010-11-28 06:04:01 <Kiba> skx: you're better off buying bitcoins...or earning bitcoins
401 2010-11-28 06:04:24 <Kiba> but then you need to download all the blocks first
402 2010-11-28 06:04:29 <skx> I'm just playing with it, I don't have any need or use for bitcoins
403 2010-11-28 06:05:26 <Kiba> nothign to play with if you have no bitcoins
404 2010-11-28 06:06:03 <Kiba> https://freebitcoins.appspot.com/
405 2010-11-28 06:06:46 <skx> by playing I meant trying to run it on a headless freebsd machine
406 2010-11-28 06:07:13 <theymos> manveru: You're trying to find numbers that, when added to your block, hash to a value below the current target number. The hashing is useful in that it is required for the network to function -- it's not just for creating bitcoins.
407 2010-11-28 06:07:30 <manveru> well, they told me that it takes a couple of months to generate a bitcoin
408 2010-11-28 06:07:47 <theymos> On average you will generate at that rate. The network generates one per 10 minutes.
409 2010-11-28 06:08:04 <skx> months to get one, really?
410 2010-11-28 06:08:11 <theymos> To get 50, rather.
411 2010-11-28 06:08:35 <theymos> They come in bundles of 50.
412 2010-11-28 06:08:42 <skx> do you need to do anything special to use GPU?
413 2010-11-28 06:09:02 <manveru> i guess you need a GPU
414 2010-11-28 06:09:53 <manveru> theymos: thing is, that basically gives me 0 incentive to run the generator myself
415 2010-11-28 06:10:01 <skx> OK, I googled something interesting
416 2010-11-28 06:10:39 <Kiba> hmm..distributed mining
417 2010-11-28 06:11:08 <theymos> manveru: Then don't. The point is to make the network's CPU power as efficient as possible. You would make it less efficient, so you are disincentivized.
418 2010-11-28 06:12:45 <manveru> ok, i guess
419 2010-11-28 06:13:56 <theymos> In the future only dedicated corporations with their own power plants and custom hardware will generate profitably. Like gold mining companies.
420 2010-11-28 06:15:36 <manveru> heh
421 2010-11-28 06:15:48 <manveru> i guess i should get back to generating whuffies then
422 2010-11-28 06:17:20 <Kiba> have you decided anything regarding selling and buying in the bitcoin econom yet, manveru ?
423 2010-11-28 06:18:16 <manveru> Kiba: well, i have a whopping 0.05 to spend now, so i guess i could buy two of your pictures :)
424 2010-11-28 06:18:43 <manveru> but hard to choose which without preview
425 2010-11-28 06:18:55 <Kiba> yes, indeed. And you might not like it
426 2010-11-28 06:19:19 <manveru> i just don't know anything else in the price range
427 2010-11-28 06:19:37 <Kiba> manveru: well, mine are a series of revision for the same sketch
428 2010-11-28 06:19:42 <manveru> and it's not like there's a bitcoin bank where i can get interest
429 2010-11-28 06:19:53 <Kiba> so if you llike the more complete, than you could buy the newest one
430 2010-11-28 06:20:47 <Kiba> you will be contributing only 0.0025 in USD
431 2010-11-28 06:21:17 <Kiba> well a bit more than that..so if you buy two pictures, you contributed only around 0.01 cents
432 2010-11-28 06:21:49 <manveru> heh
433 2010-11-28 06:22:04 <Kiba> I am using the exchange value of .25
434 2010-11-28 06:22:12 <Kiba> so .28 will contribute a little bit higher
435 2010-11-28 06:23:12 <theymos> You could gamble with it.
436 2010-11-28 06:24:39 <MT`AwAy> [14:46:47] <nanotube> MT`AwAy: so your accounting deals with non-jpy currency as a loss eh? you could at least count the stuff at 'current market value' <- accounting deals with non-currency as loss when it has no known value
437 2010-11-28 06:25:33 <manveru> :)
438 2010-11-28 06:25:44 <manveru> MT`AwAy: btw, you're in tokyo?
439 2010-11-28 06:25:50 <MT`AwAy> manveru: yep, Suginami
440 2010-11-28 06:25:53 <MT`AwAy> and you?
441 2010-11-28 06:26:06 <manveru> jiyuugaoka, near naka meguro
442 2010-11-28 06:26:21 <MT`AwAy> oh, I often "pass" there since I often go to Yokohama ;)
443 2010-11-28 06:26:42 <MT`AwAy> and I have a friend living there
444 2010-11-28 06:26:42 <manveru> right, toyoku line
445 2010-11-28 06:26:50 <MT`AwAy> :p
446 2010-11-28 06:27:17 <MT`AwAy> I have to be at Yokohama today near 18:00, so I'll pass there again soon :D
447 2010-11-28 06:28:23 <manveru> hmh, i should get my son to toys'r'us soon... don't get to yokohama more than once a month or so
448 2010-11-28 06:28:52 <MT`AwAy> well, my girlfriend lives there, that gives me a good reason :p
449 2010-11-28 06:29:03 <manveru> since i mostly work at coffeeshops, i don't travel a lot usually
450 2010-11-28 06:29:29 <MT`AwAy> :p
451 2010-11-28 06:29:37 <MT`AwAy> I mostly work behind my computer, even worse for travel :D
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453 2010-11-28 06:29:51 <manveru> :)
454 2010-11-28 06:30:00 <MT`AwAy> mh, I'm minus on mtgox :(
455 2010-11-28 06:30:13 <manveru> very hard with my 2-year old tornado :)
456 2010-11-28 06:30:16 <jgarzik> what is the default bitcoin data directory, on Windows?
457 2010-11-28 06:30:31 <jgarzik> aka the Windows equivalent of ~/.bitcoin
458 2010-11-28 06:30:33 <manveru> C:\Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\Bitcoin
459 2010-11-28 06:30:39 <manveru> says the FAQ
460 2010-11-28 06:30:47 <jgarzik> tnx
461 2010-11-28 06:30:58 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: i'm pretty sure that's not the way multinational corporations do it. :)
462 2010-11-28 06:30:59 <manveru> for XP, that is
463 2010-11-28 06:31:11 <jgarzik> manveru: no problems with the block data you received, still, I hope?
464 2010-11-28 06:31:18 <MT`AwAy> nanotube: they pay taxes in local currencies
465 2010-11-28 06:31:19 <manveru> jgarzik: no, working fine
466 2010-11-28 06:31:23 <jgarzik> tnx
467 2010-11-28 06:31:35 <MT`AwAy> here I pay taxes in JPY, and declaring the amount of BTC hold by the company seems rather difficult
468 2010-11-28 06:32:04 <MT`AwAy> so I can exclude BTC from accounting, count it at losses, and then when I convert BTC back to something declarable, count it as sale and pay taxes at this point
469 2010-11-28 06:32:40 <MT`AwAy> wtf mtgox? "To reduce fraud we hold a certain of portion of PayPal payments in reserve for 30 days. You are currently only able to withdraw 203 BTC"
470 2010-11-28 06:32:51 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: aaah, well, for tax purposes, sure. :) but for your own internal accounting. :)
471 2010-11-28 06:33:08 <MT`AwAy> nanotube: I'm working as a company here
472 2010-11-28 06:33:10 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: mmm...did you deposit with paypal?
473 2010-11-28 06:33:15 <MT`AwAy> selling web hosting vps etc
474 2010-11-28 06:33:18 <MT`AwAy> nanotube: no, never
475 2010-11-28 06:33:32 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: then email mtgox and ask.
476 2010-11-28 06:33:37 <MT`AwAy> however my mtgox account is negative in USD
477 2010-11-28 06:33:52 <nanotube> heh indeed, better email, then
478 2010-11-28 06:33:58 <MT`AwAy> :p
479 2010-11-28 06:34:04 <skx> is there a man or sth for bicoind? or just this help listing commands?
480 2010-11-28 06:34:14 <MT`AwAy> skx: look at wiki
481 2010-11-28 06:34:22 <theymos> Unofficial: http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=man_page
482 2010-11-28 06:34:45 <skx> I found that http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=headless_client
483 2010-11-28 06:35:02 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: well, good for you, then. if you can count bitcoins as a loss. :)
484 2010-11-28 06:35:36 <MT`AwAy> nanotube: well, it's "-0.002 USD"
485 2010-11-28 06:35:40 <MT`AwAy> not much :p
486 2010-11-28 06:36:17 <Kiba> ya know
487 2010-11-28 06:36:29 <Kiba> I just realize that probably only a thousand people really know what bitcoins is
488 2010-11-28 06:36:40 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: for now
489 2010-11-28 06:36:52 <Kiba> our economy is so minicule
490 2010-11-28 06:36:57 <MT`AwAy> anyway I don't know even a thousand of people really really /know/ what bitcoins is
491 2010-11-28 06:37:00 <Kiba> only worth about 1.3 million dollars
492 2010-11-28 06:37:15 <MT`AwAy> s/don't know/don't think/
493 2010-11-28 06:37:52 <nanotube> but the number is growing... which is good. :)
494 2010-11-28 06:37:58 <Kiba> wee! Somebody download
495 2010-11-28 06:38:08 <Kiba> 6 confirmations ago..lol
496 2010-11-28 06:38:13 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: could be some rounding errors... mtgox is kind of bad about that stuff... (the rounding errors, that is.)
497 2010-11-28 06:38:29 <Kiba> A steady stream of microtransaction coming to my address
498 2010-11-28 06:40:05 <manveru> Kiba: ubitious keeps some of that?
499 2010-11-28 06:40:19 <MT`AwAy> Standard btc=>jpy conversion: BTC LRUSD (0.65% mtgox) (1% for LR) (whatever for whoever converts to paypal USD) Paypal (3.9%+0.25 USD) JPY (2.5% USD=>JPY for paypal) => bank
500 2010-11-28 06:40:58 <Kiba> manveru: commision fee
501 2010-11-28 06:41:01 <Kiba> I get half
502 2010-11-28 06:41:05 <MT`AwAy> manveru: they get 50%
503 2010-11-28 06:41:05 <Kiba> ubitious get the rest
504 2010-11-28 06:41:17 <manveru> oh, wow
505 2010-11-28 06:41:51 <Kiba> I have to pay 0.02 anytime I want commision fee for an upload
506 2010-11-28 06:41:58 <Kiba> but that's easily recouped with 2 downloads
507 2010-11-28 06:42:48 <MT`AwAy> lol
508 2010-11-28 06:42:54 <MT`AwAy> they're making a lot of btc :D
509 2010-11-28 06:43:09 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: not really
510 2010-11-28 06:43:12 <MT`AwAy> well, maybe not that much since there seems to be not many files
511 2010-11-28 06:43:15 <Kiba> it takes 100 downloads to make 1 BTC
512 2010-11-28 06:45:17 <MT`AwAy> mh
513 2010-11-28 06:45:29 <MT`AwAy> even if you don't ask for commission, downloads are payinhg
514 2010-11-28 06:45:31 <MT`AwAy> paying*
515 2010-11-28 06:46:34 <skx> can I safely run bitcoind as a regular user in a multiuser setting?
516 2010-11-28 06:46:50 <theymos> If you set a good password.
517 2010-11-28 06:47:02 <MT`AwAy> skx: as safe as any software that exchanges data with lots of unknown peers
518 2010-11-28 06:47:15 <skx> no, no, I was asking about local users
519 2010-11-28 06:47:38 <MT`AwAy> oh, well, make sure ~/.bitcoin is 0700 (it is by default I think)
520 2010-11-28 06:47:44 <skx> k, thanks
521 2010-11-28 06:47:55 <MT`AwAy> the most important file is wallet.dat
522 2010-11-28 06:48:05 <MT`AwAy> someone stealing it has all your bitcoins and you can't do anything about it
523 2010-11-28 06:48:08 <theymos> Other users will be able to contact the RPC interface on localhost, so you need to set a good RPC password.
524 2010-11-28 06:48:15 <MT`AwAy> the second most important will be bitcoin.cfg which contains your RPC password
525 2010-11-28 07:01:20 <skx> bitcoind should be called mintd
526 2010-11-28 07:07:07 <nanotube> skx: haha, with the difficulty going up... it should more likely be called 'heatd' :)
527 2010-11-28 07:07:20 <chronomex> ha, heatd
528 2010-11-28 07:07:24 <chronomex> wouldn't that be gentoo?
529 2010-11-28 07:07:25 * chronomex ducks
530 2010-11-28 07:07:49 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: you could shave some of that off by selling btc directly for ppusd (on say, #bitcoin-otc :) ). ppusd 'personal' tx take no fees, other than a .5% for international tx.
531 2010-11-28 07:07:54 <nanotube> chronomex: haha
532 2010-11-28 07:08:09 <skx> well, I'm sitting 2kkm from my bitcoind, nanotube, so... not my problem ;)
533 2010-11-28 07:09:03 <nanotube> skx: are you paying for power at all?
534 2010-11-28 07:09:14 <skx> flat rate
535 2010-11-28 07:09:29 <chronomex> my bitcoind is running on someone else's power too. but then it's in their house so I guess it's electric heat.
536 2010-11-28 07:10:55 <nanotube> skx: heh in that case, have fun with the mining. :) what's your hash rate?
537 2010-11-28 07:11:25 <nanotube> electric heat by way of cpu... best kind of heat. :)
538 2010-11-28 07:11:29 <skx> nanotube, how do I check that? "hashespersec" : 3013149?
539 2010-11-28 07:11:31 <MT`AwAy> I'm sitting more than 10000km from my bitcoind processes
540 2010-11-28 07:11:42 <skx> MT`AwAy, OK, you win this round
541 2010-11-28 07:11:45 <MT`AwAy> :D
542 2010-11-28 07:11:52 <nanotube> skx: yep, that's it. 3000 khash/s
543 2010-11-28 07:11:54 * MT`AwAy in Japan, bitcoind in germany (and US)
544 2010-11-28 07:11:56 <nanotube> ;;bc,calc 3000
545 2010-11-28 07:11:56 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 3000 Khps, given current difficulty of 6866.89864897 , is 16 weeks, 1 day, 18 hours, 50 minutes, and 35 seconds
546 2010-11-28 07:12:10 <nanotube> skx: so... a few months :)
547 2010-11-28 07:12:16 <skx> ugh
548 2010-11-28 07:12:30 <skx> still, I can spare two cores on this server
549 2010-11-28 07:12:38 <nanotube> yea... it's the last 35 seconds that's really killer. :D
550 2010-11-28 07:12:45 <skx> bitcoind is actually pretty light, no I/O, little to no memory
551 2010-11-28 07:12:53 <skx> nanotube, haha
552 2010-11-28 07:13:36 RazielZ has joined
553 2010-11-28 07:14:00 <MT`AwAy> I'm combining about 30Mhash/sec with all the idle power of various servers
554 2010-11-28 07:14:38 <chronomex> about how many hashes/sec is the net in total running at?
555 2010-11-28 07:14:39 <nanotube> oh, not bad at all. :) about 10% of a ati 5770 :D
556 2010-11-28 07:14:49 <nanotube> chronomex: iirc, about 50-60 ghps
557 2010-11-28 07:15:04 <chronomex> dang
558 2010-11-28 07:16:26 sgornick has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
559 2010-11-28 07:17:18 <MT`AwAy> at some point it'll go down
560 2010-11-28 07:17:36 <MT`AwAy> maybe
561 2010-11-28 07:17:38 <chronomex> why's that, decline of interest?
562 2010-11-28 07:17:56 <skx> if it catches on, there will be only increase of interest
563 2010-11-28 07:17:56 <MT`AwAy> chronomex: yep, when one block will only be worth 25btc it'll help
564 2010-11-28 07:18:02 <chronomex> ahyeah
565 2010-11-28 07:19:33 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: well, already probably 90% of generation comes from gpus... which are even at current prices doing quite not bad as far as USD/watt return.
566 2010-11-28 07:20:12 <nanotube> and also, probably prices will go up before/in anticipation of the block reward dropping... so no guarantees that mining capacity will drop.
567 2010-11-28 07:20:20 <nanotube> ;;bc,calc 30000
568 2010-11-28 07:20:21 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 30000 Khps, given current difficulty of 6866.89864897 , is 1 week, 4 days, 9 hours, 5 minutes, and 3 seconds
569 2010-11-28 07:20:41 <nanotube> mm, not bad, all things considered. :)
570 2010-11-28 07:22:00 <MT`AwAy> :D
571 2010-11-28 07:22:10 <MT`AwAy> that's me
572 2010-11-28 07:22:49 <MT`AwAy> I'm at 26123292 hps in "slow mode" on servers (+5000k at home)
573 2010-11-28 07:23:31 <skx> ;;bc,calc 5802
574 2010-11-28 07:23:32 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 5802 Khps, given current difficulty of 6866.89864897 , is 8 weeks, 2 days, 20 hours, 1 minute, and 5 seconds
575 2010-11-28 07:25:04 <theymos> Does the RETARGET debug.log message (~line 937 in main.cpp) have an incorrect full hash for "After:"? It seems to me that it should be calculated as CBigNum().SetCompact(bnNew.GetCompact())...
576 2010-11-28 07:25:50 <MT`AwAy> generating a block is like rolling a 115792089237316195423570985008687907853269984665640564039457584007913129639936 faced dice and hoping it'll roll to a value higher than 3926018509229572344313816286588613965571477415700629866143917555
577 2010-11-28 07:26:24 <skx> not lower than?
578 2010-11-28 07:26:49 <MT`AwAy> mh, yes, lower than, sorry
579 2010-11-28 07:26:51 <MT`AwAy> I'm tired
580 2010-11-28 07:26:51 <MT`AwAy> :D
581 2010-11-28 07:27:25 <theymos> Except that you're using the number from debug.log, and I think that's off by a significant amount (because of the issue I just mentioned).
582 2010-11-28 07:27:37 <MT`AwAy> I use the number from http://blockexplorer.com/q/hextarget
583 2010-11-28 07:27:54 <theymos> That scrapes debug.log
584 2010-11-28 07:27:57 <MT`AwAy> :p
585 2010-11-28 07:31:53 <MT`AwAy> theymos: you could have a test blockexplorer running on testnet?
586 2010-11-28 07:32:12 <theymos> I do: http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/
587 2010-11-28 07:32:59 <MT`AwAy> block generation is slow :p
588 2010-11-28 07:33:11 <MT`AwAy> mh, no /testnet/q/ ?
589 2010-11-28 07:33:19 <nanotube> theymos: based on the difficulty calculation, that number seems to be correct
590 2010-11-28 07:33:25 Kiba has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
591 2010-11-28 07:33:35 <nanotube> (2^224-1)/6866
592 2010-11-28 07:34:05 <nanotube> (plus or minus some rounding error, and 2^224-1 not being exactly right)
593 2010-11-28 07:34:31 <theymos> nanotube: It's between http://blockexplorer.com/qe/ds and http://blockexplorer.com/q/decimaltarget . Not a big difference, but a difference nonetheless.
594 2010-11-28 07:35:44 <nanotube> theymos: well, you said 'off by significant amount'... when you said significant, i assumed it's a difference of at least 1% ... :P
595 2010-11-28 07:36:08 <nanotube> of course in absolute terms, a gazillion quadrillion is significant. :)
596 2010-11-28 07:36:15 <nanotube> but relatively speaking...
597 2010-11-28 07:36:57 <theymos> Only the leading six decimal digits are preserved. That is significant for a lot of calculations.
598 2010-11-28 07:43:21 darsk1ez has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
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604 2010-11-28 07:58:28 AAA_awright_ is now known as AAA_awright
605 2010-11-28 08:05:35 <Diablo-D3> hrm
606 2010-11-28 08:05:40 <Diablo-D3> it seems my change is stableish
607 2010-11-28 08:18:42 * LobsterMan slaps Diablo-D3 around with a heavy metal pole
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611 2010-11-28 08:30:45 <skx> does this #bitcoin 591 mean that there are only 600 nodes (plus those few that may not be able to connect to irc) online now?
612 2010-11-28 08:31:19 <chronomex> skx: where are you seeing this?
613 2010-11-28 08:31:33 <skx> on lfnet
614 2010-11-28 08:31:35 <theymos> skx: Yes.
615 2010-11-28 08:33:11 <skx> that doesn't seem like many
616 2010-11-28 08:33:57 <theymos> It's lower on the weekend. It's also an odd time (for the US).
617 2010-11-28 08:34:05 <Diablo-D3> its 3:30am, and its also the weekend, and its also after thanksgiving
618 2010-11-28 08:34:25 <skx> ok
619 2010-11-28 08:34:28 <chronomex> it's not 3:30, I'm in the usa and it's 12:30.
620 2010-11-28 08:34:32 <AAA_awright> My client is *still* connecting to IRC?
621 2010-11-28 08:34:40 <Diablo-D3> its 3:30 est
622 2010-11-28 08:34:53 <AAA_awright> Oh please, the US spans something like 7 time zones
623 2010-11-28 08:34:56 <Diablo-D3> skx: also, most clients arent connecting to irc
624 2010-11-28 08:34:59 <Diablo-D3> AAA_awright: 4.
625 2010-11-28 08:35:11 <AAA_awright> And FYI It's 1:26
626 2010-11-28 08:35:15 <Diablo-D3> hawaii and alaska not included
627 2010-11-28 08:35:32 <skx> it's 9am, you're all in the wrong timezone
628 2010-11-28 08:35:36 <Diablo-D3> (alaska spans like 4 time zones >_>)
629 2010-11-28 08:35:44 <AAA_awright> Yeah
630 2010-11-28 08:35:49 <AAA_awright> EH?
631 2010-11-28 08:36:07 <skx> Diablo-D3, really? why? isn't it advantageous and should work through nats and other weird setups
632 2010-11-28 08:36:10 <skx> ?
633 2010-11-28 08:36:26 <AAA_awright> Diablo-D3: Just two it looks like
634 2010-11-28 08:36:37 <Diablo-D3> skx: why connect to IRC when you already have a large pool of clients to connect to
635 2010-11-28 08:36:48 <Diablo-D3> AAA_awright: I was making fun of Palin-land.
636 2010-11-28 08:37:11 <AAA_awright> It's massive, that much is true
637 2010-11-28 08:37:16 <skx> Diablo-D3, so... does bitcoin software stops connecting to irc after collecting enough peers?
638 2010-11-28 08:37:20 <skx> stop*
639 2010-11-28 08:37:31 <Diablo-D3> skx: think so
640 2010-11-28 08:37:50 <Diablo-D3> AAA_awright: except in texas, they make alaskas bigger.
641 2010-11-28 08:38:54 <theymos> Diablo-D3: It doesn't. You need to be connected to IRC so that you can receive incoming connections.
642 2010-11-28 08:39:34 <Diablo-D3> theymos: ahh, strange.
643 2010-11-28 08:39:40 <Diablo-D3> seems to be a security hazard =P
644 2010-11-28 08:40:41 <skx> being connected to irc? or accepting connections?
645 2010-11-28 08:40:53 RazielZ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
646 2010-11-28 08:41:00 <Diablo-D3> being on irc
647 2010-11-28 08:41:09 <skx> why? we're on irc right now
648 2010-11-28 08:41:17 <Diablo-D3> ZOMG IM BEING HAXED
649 2010-11-28 08:41:19 * Diablo-D3 flails
650 2010-11-28 08:41:58 <skx> please don't hung up, while we hack your computer
651 2010-11-28 08:42:04 <skx> hang?*
652 2010-11-28 08:42:09 <Diablo-D3> fail
653 2010-11-28 08:43:01 osmosis has joined
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655 2010-11-28 08:43:30 <osmosis> any help with why poclbm asks for rpc auth over and over again?
656 2010-11-28 08:43:47 iig00cz is now known as zc00gii
657 2010-11-28 08:44:17 sgornick has joined
658 2010-11-28 08:46:03 <osmosis> plllzzzz
659 2010-11-28 08:46:37 <LobsterMan> patience.....
660 2010-11-28 08:46:44 <LobsterMan> you could also ask in the actual miner thread :P
661 2010-11-28 08:46:50 <LobsterMan> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1334.0
662 2010-11-28 08:47:32 <osmosis> LobsterMan, im seeing other people in the forums and irc logs with the same issue. no fix yet though.
663 2010-11-28 08:47:43 <LobsterMan> hmm
664 2010-11-28 08:47:47 <LobsterMan> what os/card are you using?
665 2010-11-28 08:50:04 <osmosis> LobsterMan, Ubuntu/ ATI
666 2010-11-28 08:50:49 <LobsterMan> yeah...not really sure, sorry :(
667 2010-11-28 08:50:55 <osmosis> LobsterMan, i have practically everything installed and working. its just that rcp connection failing now from poclbm to bitcoind
668 2010-11-28 08:51:01 <LobsterMan> i run nvidia cards on windows and i've had no problems
669 2010-11-28 08:51:05 * LobsterMan shrugs
670 2010-11-28 08:51:09 <osmosis> LobsterMan, do you know how I can listen in on port 8332 with nc or tcpdump?
671 2010-11-28 08:51:36 <LobsterMan> i don't really have much experience with *nix, maybe someone else can help you
672 2010-11-28 08:55:04 <osmosis> LobsterMan, ahh! i figured it out
673 2010-11-28 08:55:16 <LobsterMan> :]
674 2010-11-28 08:55:19 <LobsterMan> what was the problem?
675 2010-11-28 08:55:22 <osmosis> LobsterMan, syntax was wrong in the bitcoin.conf
676 2010-11-28 08:55:27 <LobsterMan> lol
677 2010-11-28 08:55:30 <LobsterMan> facepalm-worthy
678 2010-11-28 08:55:35 <osmosis> LobsterMan, i tried connecting from the browser, and the user/pass wouldnt connect there either
679 2010-11-28 08:55:48 <osmosis> LobsterMan, yah...the blog with the instructions used the wrong syntax
680 2010-11-28 08:56:01 <LobsterMan> LOL.....
681 2010-11-28 08:56:07 <LobsterMan> you should probably inform the blog author
682 2010-11-28 08:56:18 <LobsterMan> what's the url, just out of curiousity?
683 2010-11-28 08:56:32 <osmosis> im only getting 11,000 khash/s though. is that what im suppose to get?
684 2010-11-28 08:56:42 <LobsterMan> depends on your card...
685 2010-11-28 08:57:07 <osmosis> LobsterMan, http://marko-simovic.com/prof/
686 2010-11-28 08:57:59 <Diablo-D3> [03:35:13] <osmosis> any help with why poclbm asks for rpc auth over and over again?
687 2010-11-28 08:58:09 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, i figured it out, thx
688 2010-11-28 08:58:09 <Diablo-D3> osmosis: because you never put it on the command line?
689 2010-11-28 08:58:12 <Diablo-D3> -u and -p
690 2010-11-28 08:58:31 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, it was actually bad rpcuser syntax in the bitcoin.conf file
691 2010-11-28 08:58:35 <osmosis> too simple
692 2010-11-28 08:58:36 <Diablo-D3> ahh
693 2010-11-28 08:58:50 <osmosis> im using a Radeon HD 4670 and getting 11000 khash/s
694 2010-11-28 08:59:25 <nanotube> ;;bc,calc 11000
695 2010-11-28 08:59:26 <LobsterMan> rpcuser=youruser
696 2010-11-28 08:59:26 <LobsterMan> rpcpassword=yourpw
697 2010-11-28 08:59:26 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 11000 Khps, given current difficulty of 6866.89864897 , is 4 weeks, 3 days, 0 hours, 46 minutes, and 31 seconds
698 2010-11-28 08:59:30 <nanotube> hmm
699 2010-11-28 08:59:35 <LobsterMan> i made a comment on the guy's blog post
700 2010-11-28 08:59:45 <Diablo-D3> osmosis: 11? that could be on par
701 2010-11-28 08:59:52 <Diablo-D3> osmosis: my 4850 does 75.
702 2010-11-28 08:59:59 <Diablo-D3> well, 77
703 2010-11-28 09:00:07 <Diablo-D3> well, closer to 78
704 2010-11-28 09:00:17 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, are there some other tweaks then i should look into?
705 2010-11-28 09:00:27 <Diablo-D3> yeah, use my miner
706 2010-11-28 09:00:51 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, not poclbm.py ?
707 2010-11-28 09:01:05 <LobsterMan> haha
708 2010-11-28 09:01:09 <Diablo-D3> not poclbm
709 2010-11-28 09:01:20 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,calc 103000
710 2010-11-28 09:01:21 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 103000 Khps, given current difficulty of 6866.89864897 , is 3 days, 7 hours, 32 minutes, and 20 seconds
711 2010-11-28 09:01:24 <Diablo-D3> osmosis: also, if mine gets 78, yours should get around 37
712 2010-11-28 09:01:43 <Diablo-D3> though I suspect yours migh tbe even shittier
713 2010-11-28 09:02:23 <LobsterMan> bitcoin uses port 8333 right?
714 2010-11-28 09:02:25 <LobsterMan> tcp?
715 2010-11-28 09:02:32 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, so how do I get your miner?
716 2010-11-28 09:02:40 <LobsterMan> i think i'll write a post on my blog for how to setup bitcoin on windows :]
717 2010-11-28 09:02:46 <Diablo-D3> osmosis: see the forum thread.
718 2010-11-28 09:02:49 <Diablo-D3> LobsterMan: yes afiak
719 2010-11-28 09:02:55 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, does it work in ubuntu?
720 2010-11-28 09:03:02 <Diablo-D3> osmosis: in theory.
721 2010-11-28 09:06:09 <osmosis> someone on the forum says they get 295,000 khash/s on a ATI 5870
722 2010-11-28 09:06:23 <Diablo-D3> sounds about right
723 2010-11-28 09:06:50 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, the forum thread is 15 pages long. where is your post?
724 2010-11-28 09:06:59 <Diablo-D3> osmosis: no, I have my own thread.
725 2010-11-28 09:08:17 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,estimate
726 2010-11-28 09:08:18 <gribble> 7662.81130275
727 2010-11-28 09:08:32 <LobsterMan> will gribble give an estimated date of change of diff?
728 2010-11-28 09:08:52 <Diablo-D3> LobsterMan: yes, ut I forget the command
729 2010-11-28 09:09:01 <theymos> ;;bc,stats
730 2010-11-28 09:09:03 <gribble> Current Blocks: 94278 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94752 | Next Difficulty In: 474 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 22 hours, 47 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 7662.81130275
731 2010-11-28 09:09:13 <LobsterMan> ty ^_^
732 2010-11-28 09:09:38 <skx> ;;bc,calc 2977
733 2010-11-28 09:09:39 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 2977 Khps, given current difficulty of 6866.89864897 , is 16 weeks, 2 days, 15 hours, 56 minutes, and 28 seconds
734 2010-11-28 09:12:31 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, okay, im pulling down the git. yah, poclbm performance is horriable. my cpu usually gets 4000, and with poclbm i get 400.
735 2010-11-28 09:12:56 <Diablo-D3> osmosis: you could have used the binary zip
736 2010-11-28 09:13:11 <Diablo-D3> oh, an opencl performance on the cpu sucks
737 2010-11-28 09:13:18 <Diablo-D3> thats not really an indication of anything
738 2010-11-28 09:14:03 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, not on linux
739 2010-11-28 09:14:18 <Diablo-D3> it is if you're using ati sdk 2.2
740 2010-11-28 09:15:09 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, there is a binary zip for ati sdk 2.2 ?
741 2010-11-28 09:15:18 <AAA_awright> I don't know if it's because it's late at night but I just had a BRILLIANT MATHEMATICAL BREAKTHROUGH
742 2010-11-28 09:15:23 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, ....for linux
743 2010-11-28 09:15:25 <Diablo-D3> osmosis: erm, off ati's website?
744 2010-11-28 09:15:31 <Diablo-D3> you want 2.1, not 2.2
745 2010-11-28 09:15:46 <Diablo-D3> 2.2 has issues.
746 2010-11-28 09:15:52 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, yah...i even found some .deb packages. I got that installed already.
747 2010-11-28 09:16:09 <AAA_awright> We have the blocks to make sure that everyone stays on the same page and such, right? In theory the blocks can diverge... Instead of making the block graph diverge, why not allow each individual's transaction record to diverge?
748 2010-11-28 09:16:11 <Diablo-D3> I dont use the debs, I use the stuff off ati's site
749 2010-11-28 09:16:20 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, thats why it is afterall working with poclbm.py
750 2010-11-28 09:17:30 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, this might be a real basic java thing, http://dpaste.com/280773/
751 2010-11-28 09:17:52 <Diablo-D3> osmosis: you got from git, you have to build it first
752 2010-11-28 09:18:01 <Diablo-D3> run mvn package
753 2010-11-28 09:18:17 skx has left ()
754 2010-11-28 09:19:07 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, install maven2 ?
755 2010-11-28 09:19:13 <Diablo-D3> yes
756 2010-11-28 09:19:41 <AAA_awright> How many CSE gurus are in here?
757 2010-11-28 09:21:56 <Diablo-D3> osmosis: execute that with --help
758 2010-11-28 09:22:04 <Diablo-D3> osmosis: and btw, -s may or may not crash.
759 2010-11-28 09:24:37 <Diablo-D3> -s infact may not even work right
760 2010-11-28 09:24:41 <Diablo-D3> which is depressing
761 2010-11-28 09:25:02 <osmosis> mvn is downing stuff
762 2010-11-28 09:25:18 <Diablo-D3> yes, this is why most people use the binary zip =P
763 2010-11-28 09:25:28 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, where?
764 2010-11-28 09:25:45 <Diablo-D3> its in the op post of that thread next to the github link
765 2010-11-28 09:28:24 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, Exception in thread "main" java.lang.Exception: No OpenCL platforms found.
766 2010-11-28 09:29:04 <Diablo-D3> did you forget to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH?
767 2010-11-28 09:29:33 <osmosis> does it have to be 32 bit, or does 64 work?
768 2010-11-28 09:29:41 <Diablo-D3> 64 works fine
769 2010-11-28 09:35:50 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, $LD_LIBRARY_PATH looks okay, still getting same error
770 2010-11-28 09:36:17 <Diablo-D3> how did you get poclbm running?
771 2010-11-28 09:36:24 <Diablo-D3> because you have to do the same stuff
772 2010-11-28 09:36:39 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, yah...poclbm stopped working for some reason too
773 2010-11-28 09:37:09 <Diablo-D3> "No OpenCL platforms found." usually means you didnt setup stuff right
774 2010-11-28 09:37:17 <osmosis> was working
775 2010-11-28 09:37:39 <Diablo-D3> for me, I have to: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/ati-stream/ati-stream-sdk-v2.1-lnx64/lib/x86_64/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
776 2010-11-28 09:37:49 <Diablo-D3> and then make sure I untarred the registration files
777 2010-11-28 09:38:04 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, i crashed a instance of poclbm, and the libraries stopped responding. maybe I need to kill something or reboot
778 2010-11-28 09:38:30 <Diablo-D3> osmosis: btw, you do have files named ati* in /etc/OpenCL/vendors right?
779 2010-11-28 09:38:52 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, i have no /etc/OpenCL/ folder
780 2010-11-28 09:39:06 <Diablo-D3> then how did you get this working at all?
781 2010-11-28 09:39:10 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, brb, gonna reboot
782 2010-11-28 09:39:18 <Diablo-D3> reboot probably wont fix it.
783 2010-11-28 09:39:35 osmosis has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
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785 2010-11-28 09:44:44 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, yah, didnt fix it. im not sure
786 2010-11-28 09:46:04 <Diablo-D3> http://developer.amd.com/gpu/atistreamsdk/pages/default.aspx
787 2010-11-28 09:46:15 <Diablo-D3> see that icd-registration.tgz?
788 2010-11-28 09:46:26 <Diablo-D3> thats supposed to be tar zxvf in / as root
789 2010-11-28 09:47:16 <Diablo-D3> 2.1 and 2.2 require that to function right
790 2010-11-28 09:50:36 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, yah, that worked. so wierd that it was working before without it.
791 2010-11-28 09:51:31 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, okay, here we go: http://dpaste.com/280775/
792 2010-11-28 09:52:57 <Diablo-D3> are you using satoshi's getwork impl or m0's?
793 2010-11-28 09:53:36 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, satoshi
794 2010-11-28 09:53:45 <Diablo-D3> mine isnt compatible with satoshi's yet
795 2010-11-28 09:53:53 <LobsterMan> launching bitcoin with -server just basically says that there are going to be miners external to bitcoin.exe running, and to listen in for them and allow outside interaction
796 2010-11-28 09:53:55 <LobsterMan> ?
797 2010-11-28 09:54:11 <LobsterMan> and to allow rpc calls?
798 2010-11-28 09:54:13 <Diablo-D3> LobsterMan: -server is the same as doing bitcoind, but you still get the ui
799 2010-11-28 09:54:27 <LobsterMan> ok
800 2010-11-28 09:54:38 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, well crap...i already deleted the m0 binary i had compiled
801 2010-11-28 09:54:58 <Diablo-D3> osmosis: its on my todo list, but I have other stuff I need to fix in this thing first
802 2010-11-28 09:55:11 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, i just deleted it 5 min ago
803 2010-11-28 09:55:47 <osmosis> guess i need svn -r 186 bitcoin then
804 2010-11-28 09:56:28 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, ive been following this, http://marko-simovic.com/prof/2010/11/07/bitcoin-gpu-processing-server-configuration/
805 2010-11-28 09:56:48 <Diablo-D3> ugh
806 2010-11-28 09:56:52 <Diablo-D3> osmosis: do not follow those directions
807 2010-11-28 09:56:55 <Diablo-D3> they will fuck your shit up
808 2010-11-28 09:56:58 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, best i could find
809 2010-11-28 09:57:12 <Diablo-D3> _never ever ever_ use the driver installers from ati or nvidia on linux
810 2010-11-28 09:57:26 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, oh yah...i skipped that part. ubuntu lucids drivers are fine
811 2010-11-28 09:57:33 <Diablo-D3> ahh
812 2010-11-28 09:57:48 <Diablo-D3> wow all those directions are shit
813 2010-11-28 09:57:53 <Diablo-D3> step 5 no no no no no
814 2010-11-28 09:58:07 <Diablo-D3> step 6 is useless, ubuntu already builds pyopencl
815 2010-11-28 09:58:17 <Diablo-D3> step 7 is okay
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817 2010-11-28 09:58:59 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, maybe if bitcoin had a wiki there would have been some decent instructions for setting this up. the forum certainly wasnt helpful
818 2010-11-28 09:59:00 <Diablo-D3> step 2 fails to install libdb4.7-dev and libdb4.7++-dev
819 2010-11-28 09:59:12 <LobsterMan> bitcoind.exe is just a gui-less client that runs in the background right?
820 2010-11-28 09:59:15 <Diablo-D3> osmosis: mining isnt meant for end users
821 2010-11-28 09:59:23 <Diablo-D3> LobsterMan: yes, no ui, does -server -daemon automatically
822 2010-11-28 09:59:56 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, somehow i do have libdb installed
823 2010-11-28 10:00:33 <Diablo-D3> osmosis: but the right one?
824 2010-11-28 10:00:35 <osmosis> Diablo-D3, i think i read the bitcoin unix.readme
825 2010-11-28 10:00:46 <Diablo-D3> if its not exactly 4.7, you can screw stuff up and not realize it
826 2010-11-28 10:00:57 <osmosis> yah, i got 4.7
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833 2010-11-28 10:08:54 <osmosis_> Diablo-D3, -s froze everything
834 2010-11-28 10:09:06 <Diablo-D3> osmosis_: yeah, dont use it.
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836 2010-11-28 10:09:12 <Diablo-D3> I think Im going to remove it.
837 2010-11-28 10:09:30 <osmosis_> Diablo-D3, so 11500 khash/sec, thats it?
838 2010-11-28 10:09:48 <Diablo-D3> 128 is the default local work size on yours?
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841 2010-11-28 10:10:08 <osmosis_> Diablo-D3, yes. i tried -w 64 -v 2 and it went slower
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845 2010-11-28 10:10:12 <Diablo-D3> try it without -v 2
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848 2010-11-28 10:10:54 <osmosis_> 11900
849 2010-11-28 10:11:14 <Diablo-D3> osmosis_: -w 32 maaaaay be more optimal, but your hardware is weird
850 2010-11-28 10:11:27 <Diablo-D3> Im not sure why ati produced hardware that -w max is 128
851 2010-11-28 10:11:33 <Diablo-D3> my 4850 is 256
852 2010-11-28 10:11:40 <Diablo-D3> works fastest on 64
853 2010-11-28 10:12:00 <osmosis_> Diablo-D3, why does it say Added ATI RV730 ...thats not my card. HD 4860
854 2010-11-28 10:12:18 <Diablo-D3> I thought you said it was a 4670?
855 2010-11-28 10:12:26 <osmosis_> err..yah, probably
856 2010-11-28 10:12:44 <Diablo-D3> 4670 is a rv730 xt
857 2010-11-28 10:12:49 <Diablo-D3> so the name it returns is correct
858 2010-11-28 10:12:53 <osmosis_> Radeon HD 4670
859 2010-11-28 10:13:18 <osmosis_> so my hardware is weird then?
860 2010-11-28 10:13:30 <Diablo-D3> its slow, thats for sure
861 2010-11-28 10:13:35 <osmosis_> wtf!
862 2010-11-28 10:13:37 <Diablo-D3> on gflops, its less than half the speed of mine
863 2010-11-28 10:13:51 <osmosis_> its in a dell studio xps laptop
864 2010-11-28 10:14:03 <Diablo-D3> wait, you didnt say it was a mobile chip
865 2010-11-28 10:14:16 <osmosis_> didnt know it was different
866 2010-11-28 10:14:21 <Diablo-D3> yes, its different
867 2010-11-28 10:14:46 <Diablo-D3> 4670 mobile is 432 gflops
868 2010-11-28 10:14:51 <osmosis_> well...guess thats the end of the road for me then.
869 2010-11-28 10:15:14 <Diablo-D3> vs... 480. I guess its not that slow at all.
870 2010-11-28 10:15:14 <osmosis_> its been fun. thanks for your help. 2am here.
871 2010-11-28 10:15:22 <Diablo-D3> my 4850 gets 1000, btw
872 2010-11-28 10:16:02 <Diablo-D3> osmosis_: so yeah, I dont expect much out of your laptop
873 2010-11-28 10:16:10 <Diablo-D3> theres nothing you can do
874 2010-11-28 10:16:19 <Diablo-D3> but it seems strange its that low
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876 2010-11-28 10:16:23 <Diablo-D3> it should be in the 30s
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883 2010-11-28 10:25:42 <LobsterMan> if you start up bitcoin.exe with -server, but have not yet created bitcoin.conf, will you need to restart bitcoin after creating/saving bitcoin.conf in order to use an external miner?
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885 2010-11-28 10:30:00 <theymos> Yes.
886 2010-11-28 10:33:20 <Diablo-D3> LobsterMan: no, you have to stop bitcoin first THEN do it and then start it again
887 2010-11-28 10:33:32 <Diablo-D3> otherwise you cant do ./bitcoin stop
888 2010-11-28 10:33:33 <LobsterMan> yeah that's what i thought
889 2010-11-28 10:33:48 <LobsterMan> i'm writing a tutorial on setting up miners under windows
890 2010-11-28 10:33:53 <LobsterMan> just making sure i order it correctly
891 2010-11-28 10:33:54 <LobsterMan> lol
892 2010-11-28 10:33:57 <Diablo-D3> heh
893 2010-11-28 10:34:02 <Diablo-D3> welp, there goes split mode
894 2010-11-28 10:34:04 <Diablo-D3> bye bye
895 2010-11-28 10:35:27 * LobsterMan waves farewell
896 2010-11-28 10:35:28 <LobsterMan> :P
897 2010-11-28 10:35:45 <Diablo-D3> now I'm back to around 75 mhash
898 2010-11-28 10:35:57 <AAA_awright> I HAVE A POSSIBLE BREAKTHROUGH where should I pastebin
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900 2010-11-28 10:36:10 <AAA_awright> This makes me sound like a complete idiot doesn't it
901 2010-11-28 10:36:11 <Diablo-D3> AAA_awright: then fucking do it
902 2010-11-28 10:36:22 <Diablo-D3> it makes you sound like an annoying cunt, really
903 2010-11-28 10:36:27 <Diablo-D3> although thats sort of the same thing, I guess
904 2010-11-28 10:36:54 <LobsterMan> poclbm == pyopencl bitcoin miner?
905 2010-11-28 10:37:03 <AAA_awright> Diablo-D3: Actually I didn't finish taking a look at the maths until now that's why I message again, sheesh
906 2010-11-28 10:37:05 <Diablo-D3> python opencl bitcoin miner, yes
907 2010-11-28 10:37:23 <Diablo-D3> AAA_awright: well, you asked if it made you sound like a complete idiot: I corrected you.
908 2010-11-28 10:39:53 <CIA-87> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * r9c64893 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Added frozen executor detection, added 30 second khash meter average, removed split mode - http://bit.ly/em9kuG
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910 2010-11-28 10:40:48 <AAA_awright> It's a very voodoo function I describe and probably doesn't exist but who knows, how many crypto people are here? http://pastebin.com/y5c3MixB
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912 2010-11-28 10:46:50 <Diablo-D3> AAA_awright: s/person/address/
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914 2010-11-28 10:47:03 <Diablo-D3> AAA_awright: all you did was basically turn bitcoin into git/hg.
915 2010-11-28 10:47:34 <AAA_awright> Not quite because you are completely ignoring all transactions that don't involve you
916 2010-11-28 10:47:37 <Diablo-D3> so you can now, technically, transaction block merge from different revision parents across forks
917 2010-11-28 10:48:29 <Diablo-D3> AAA_awright: which is how git/hg works for patch chunks in theory
918 2010-11-28 10:49:34 <AAA_awright> Yeah, I mean, you aren't explicitly storing every single transaction like Git would, each transaction transparently includes every transaction before it.
919 2010-11-28 10:50:05 <Diablo-D3> you're still explicitly storing them
920 2010-11-28 10:50:14 <Diablo-D3> you're just changing block merge dynamics
921 2010-11-28 10:50:51 <Diablo-D3> as in, the parent block of your new transaction is the last block that you had a transaction in
922 2010-11-28 10:50:58 <Diablo-D3> AAA_awright: there is, however, a slight problem
923 2010-11-28 10:51:16 <AAA_awright> You aren't in the sense that it doesn't matter if a billion or zero transactions happened before yours did, how much you have to store is proportional to how many transactions you have made
924 2010-11-28 10:51:17 <Diablo-D3> person is defined as address... but now that we have new address spamming as a security feature, you have a lot of chains that are short
925 2010-11-28 10:51:18 <AAA_awright> I think I see it
926 2010-11-28 10:51:31 <Diablo-D3> and now these chains are uselessly unlinked
927 2010-11-28 10:51:32 <Diablo-D3> ergo
928 2010-11-28 10:51:41 <Diablo-D3> you've just broken bitcoin
929 2010-11-28 10:52:39 <Diablo-D3> and redefining person as coin (ie, it tracks the coin across transactions, so the coin itself is a chain) doesn't seem to fix it
930 2010-11-28 10:52:53 <Diablo-D3> and it also makes it more complex than what we already have
931 2010-11-28 10:53:07 <Diablo-D3> since the entire point of the chain of work _is_ to care what others are doing
932 2010-11-28 10:53:30 <Diablo-D3> A cant send to B unless [C ... Z] agree that the transaction is valid
933 2010-11-28 10:54:03 <Diablo-D3> and blocks are actually transaction bundles in that if one transaction in the bundle is not valid, its possible the rest in the bundle isnt either
934 2010-11-28 10:54:24 <Diablo-D3> and are chained together using the time frequency domain instead of the transaction dependency domain
935 2010-11-28 10:54:33 <Diablo-D3> which is more efficient
936 2010-11-28 10:55:37 <Diablo-D3> AAA_awright: so, bam, satoshi is still smarter than you =P
937 2010-11-28 10:55:40 <AAA_awright> This takes advantage of the fact that [C..] doesn't care what A and B did until you make a transaction with them
938 2010-11-28 10:55:51 <Diablo-D3> except [C...Z] DOES care
939 2010-11-28 10:55:59 <Diablo-D3> because at no point can a false transaction enter the chain
940 2010-11-28 10:56:09 <AAA_awright> There is no "chain" here
941 2010-11-28 10:56:29 <Diablo-D3> there is a chain, all you've done is convert it to a half assed transaction dependency chain
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943 2010-11-28 10:57:16 <Diablo-D3> either you track the coin itself, or you track transaction dependency across addresses
944 2010-11-28 10:57:21 <AAA_awright> With no need to explicitly keep track of individual transactions
945 2010-11-28 10:57:34 <Diablo-D3> AAA_awright: which removes security
946 2010-11-28 10:57:53 <AAA_awright> Ah
947 2010-11-28 10:58:17 <Diablo-D3> the only way to track transactions is in the time domain
948 2010-11-28 10:58:26 <Diablo-D3> which is how bitcoin does it
949 2010-11-28 10:58:29 <AAA_awright> What is at stake of being lost?
950 2010-11-28 10:58:36 <Diablo-D3> chain history
951 2010-11-28 10:59:07 <Diablo-D3> I could very easily play a card game using my own clients using parallel trees and then shuffle it into other people's chains
952 2010-11-28 10:59:19 <Diablo-D3> it'd be much harder to mathematically prove I didn't do it
953 2010-11-28 10:59:50 <Diablo-D3> and even if it is found, it may not be found until its already poisoned other users
954 2010-11-28 11:00:36 <Diablo-D3> this way, using the time domain, [A...Z] all agree that, at this point, the known chain is valid and not tampered with
955 2010-11-28 11:00:56 <Diablo-D3> your way, [C...Z] does not check until it already has a sub-history
956 2010-11-28 11:01:02 <Diablo-D3> which may or may not involve the victims
957 2010-11-28 11:01:30 <Diablo-D3> so if [C...Z] reject B (the victim), then A wins by sticking B with counterfit money
958 2010-11-28 11:02:34 <Diablo-D3> AAA_awright: so any solution, no matter how clever, is broken if it contains either a) makes chain verification harder due to not all data being contained in the chain, b) makes [C...Z] ignore parts of the chain because it doesnt involve them
959 2010-11-28 11:02:48 <Diablo-D3> every member of the entire system has to agree that the entire chain is valid.
960 2010-11-28 11:02:55 <Diablo-D3> otherwise, essentially, its not.
961 2010-11-28 11:03:19 <Diablo-D3> you cant mathematically prove that it has not been tampered with unless you prove the entire thing, not merely just the parts that involve you
962 2010-11-28 11:03:42 <AAA_awright> What would tampering be, over-spending?
963 2010-11-28 11:03:51 <AAA_awright> Double-spending rather
964 2010-11-28 11:04:04 <Diablo-D3> double spending is just a subset of counterfeiting
965 2010-11-28 11:04:29 <Diablo-D3> any method that can create coins for the purposes of fraudulent transactions tampers with the chain
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967 2010-11-28 11:07:39 <LobsterMan> how can one determine the maximum worksize supported by their card
968 2010-11-28 11:09:29 <Diablo-D3> LobsterMan: my and m0's defaults to it
969 2010-11-28 11:09:33 <Diablo-D3> its most likely 256.
970 2010-11-28 11:09:36 <AAA_awright> Has this been proven anywhere? The only way I can come up with is A sends money to B and C from the same block, so that B and C cannot reconsile who has what. Which transaction is the accepted one would likly be determined by who gets the information out first, let's say B is victimized, it will simply find it cannot spend money from that block and will revert to another one that is accepted.
971 2010-11-28 11:09:39 <LobsterMan> how can you determine that number though?
972 2010-11-28 11:09:48 <Diablo-D3> LobsterMan: by executing the function for it.
973 2010-11-28 11:10:02 <Diablo-D3> LobsterMan: mine actually outputs it, btw
974 2010-11-28 11:10:12 <Diablo-D3> dont do -w, and it'll happily print it
975 2010-11-28 11:10:13 <LobsterMan> ya i know ;]
976 2010-11-28 11:10:47 <Diablo-D3> AAA_awright: yes, but that means all you did was add more complex work to bitcoin without actually improving anything
977 2010-11-28 11:11:20 <LobsterMan> does the work size need to be a power of 2?
978 2010-11-28 11:11:23 <AAA_awright> The improvement is no chain history to keep track o
979 2010-11-28 11:11:24 <AAA_awright> *of
980 2010-11-28 11:11:40 <AAA_awright> *chain/block history
981 2010-11-28 11:12:07 <Diablo-D3> LobsterMan: yes
982 2010-11-28 11:12:14 <Diablo-D3> LobsterMan: and on radeon, it has to be 64 or above
983 2010-11-28 11:12:30 <Diablo-D3> AAA_awright: which isnt an improvement since I cant single handedly prove the entire chain
984 2010-11-28 11:13:22 <LobsterMan> less than 64 has worked for me with my gtx275
985 2010-11-28 11:13:27 <Diablo-D3> oh it works
986 2010-11-28 11:13:29 <Diablo-D3> it just works slower
987 2010-11-28 11:13:31 <LobsterMan> and if i try to use larger than 512 the miner wont launch
988 2010-11-28 11:13:34 <Diablo-D3> and nvidia I think the min is 32
989 2010-11-28 11:13:41 <Diablo-D3> some nvidia cards have a 512 max
990 2010-11-28 11:13:44 <AAA_awright> I'm not seeing why you need to prove the entire chain then, if that example is the worst that can happen
991 2010-11-28 11:13:48 <LobsterMan> i've gotten it to run with as low as 1, but it gets like 2mhash lol
992 2010-11-28 11:14:00 <Diablo-D3> AAA_awright: because then you dont know if it has been tampered with or not
993 2010-11-28 11:14:01 <AAA_awright> And mitigated by simply asking your peers "hey does this look valid"
994 2010-11-28 11:14:11 <Diablo-D3> AAA_awright: cant trust your peers.
995 2010-11-28 11:14:32 <Diablo-D3> LobsterMan: nvidia and amd will happily run with any value below the max
996 2010-11-28 11:14:37 <ArtForz> hrrrm... worksizes <64 might be a decent way to throttle cards
997 2010-11-28 11:14:43 <LobsterMan> hehehe
998 2010-11-28 11:14:46 <LobsterMan> ArtForz is inspired ;D
999 2010-11-28 11:14:54 <AAA_awright> Personal friends, why not? Also, what is tampering? Is that example the worst that can happen?
1000 2010-11-28 11:14:59 <LobsterMan> i have not checked the effect of small worksizes on temperature, only hashrate
1001 2010-11-28 11:15:00 <Diablo-D3> LobsterMan: you just lose speed for it not being power of 2, and you will lose speed for it not being the minimum efficient size, 64 for amd, 32 for nvidia
1002 2010-11-28 11:15:12 <Diablo-D3> AAA_awright: I think satoshi came up with worse ones
1003 2010-11-28 11:15:17 <Diablo-D3> AAA_awright: go bring it up with him
1004 2010-11-28 11:15:24 <AAA_awright> mhm
1005 2010-11-28 11:15:39 <Diablo-D3> AAA_awright: but being able to prove the entire chain is the biggest feature bitcoin has
1006 2010-11-28 11:15:47 <Diablo-D3> removing that doesnt help your case.
1007 2010-11-28 11:16:08 <AAA_awright> ...prove it for what?
1008 2010-11-28 11:16:49 <Diablo-D3> that it is valid.
1009 2010-11-28 11:16:55 <Diablo-D3> prove as in the mathematical definition of such
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1011 2010-11-28 11:17:48 <AAA_awright> Prove that it has no double spending (or what else?)... which is what the hash function does too, by definition, simply by examining it you can tell nothing has been double spent
1012 2010-11-28 11:18:10 <Diablo-D3> AAA_awright: I could falsely create coins too
1013 2010-11-28 11:18:23 <Diablo-D3> as long as I have a big enough army saying that my transactions are right
1014 2010-11-28 11:18:32 <AAA_awright> Any problems you describe seem to also be in Bitcoin now, if the block chain forks for some reason
1015 2010-11-28 11:19:16 <AAA_awright> You couldn't steal any coins from other people nor could you create new ones
1016 2010-11-28 11:19:35 <AAA_awright> By definition (which again might be impossible)
1017 2010-11-28 11:19:38 <Diablo-D3> who needs to steal when you can just inflate
1018 2010-11-28 11:19:48 <Diablo-D3> the government does it, and its worked for them for awhile
1019 2010-11-28 11:20:19 <Diablo-D3> AAA_awright: your solution doesnt stamp out forks
1020 2010-11-28 11:20:23 <AAA_awright> No one would accept a transaction where the total sum of currency is different than theirs
1021 2010-11-28 11:21:29 <AAA_awright> Which is of course impossible without a central authority
1022 2010-11-28 11:21:56 <AAA_awright> Forks wouldn't be bad so long as there isn't an individual who has access to both forks
1023 2010-11-28 11:22:00 <Diablo-D3> AAA_awright: but thats where you go wrong
1024 2010-11-28 11:22:14 <Diablo-D3> if it can happen, it will, and people will seek to do it
1025 2010-11-28 11:22:27 <Diablo-D3> also, the chain itself IS a central authority of sorts.
1026 2010-11-28 11:22:55 <Diablo-D3> you cant do anything unless the chain allows you to.
1027 2010-11-28 11:22:57 <AAA_awright> The chain can fork, correct?
1028 2010-11-28 11:23:51 <Diablo-D3> on bitcoin? no.
1029 2010-11-28 11:23:56 <Diablo-D3> forks are stamped out.
1030 2010-11-28 11:24:15 <AAA_awright> When it joins back together, then
1031 2010-11-28 11:24:59 <Diablo-D3> actually, its closer to rejected
1032 2010-11-28 11:25:12 <Diablo-D3> this is why bitcoin resubmits transactions that didnt make it in
1033 2010-11-28 11:28:02 <AAA_awright> The parallel would be that the hash is modified in a predictable way so it would simply be merged in if it didn't decend from any double-spending transactions
1034 2010-11-28 11:28:38 <AAA_awright> Are any more of the technical considerations available anywhere?
1035 2010-11-28 11:28:50 <Diablo-D3> ask satoshi
1036 2010-11-28 11:29:05 <AAA_awright> I figured
1037 2010-11-28 11:29:36 <AAA_awright> Diablo-D3: Thanks
1038 2010-11-28 11:47:56 <LobsterMan> http://www.newslobster.com/random/how-to-get-started-using-your-gpu-to-mine-for-bitcoins-on-windows
1039 2010-11-28 11:47:57 <LobsterMan> ;)
1040 2010-11-28 11:52:26 <LobsterMan> critique welcome
1041 2010-11-28 11:52:26 <LobsterMan> lol
1042 2010-11-28 11:52:29 <LobsterMan> if anyone reads all of that
1043 2010-11-28 11:52:50 <LobsterMan> i put a link to your miner at the bottom too Diablo-D3 ;P
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1048 2010-11-28 13:15:36 <Zarutian> http://www.contingencymarket.com/index.php?title=Introduction <- does such a market exists for btc?
1049 2010-11-28 13:30:34 <LobsterMan> isn't that how futures work?
1050 2010-11-28 13:31:30 <Diablo-D3> oh get this
1051 2010-11-28 13:31:37 <Diablo-D3> I FINALLY generated a block with my miner
1052 2010-11-28 13:33:03 <noagendamarket> a prediction market?
1053 2010-11-28 13:42:05 <altamic> AAA_awright: http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=satoshi+nakamoto&l=cryptography%40metzdowd.com
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1055 2010-11-28 13:46:16 <sneak> woohoo, i hit the minter jackpot today
1056 2010-11-28 13:46:53 <sneak> got like 6 blocks yesterday when i normally get ~1.5
1057 2010-11-28 13:47:29 <tcatm> nice
1058 2010-11-28 13:47:44 <tcatm> now you'll have days where you won't get any block at all :)
1059 2010-11-28 13:47:54 <sneak> gambler's fallacy
1060 2010-11-28 13:48:09 <sneak> nothing "comes due" due to previous outcomes
1061 2010-11-28 13:48:10 <tcatm> my highest jackpot was 30
1062 2010-11-28 13:48:25 <sneak> my chances of solving a block are the same per hash-check now as they were yesterday
1063 2010-11-28 14:10:10 <xelister> bc;stats
1064 2010-11-28 14:10:14 <xelister> bc;stat
1065 2010-11-28 14:10:17 <xelister> ;bc;stat
1066 2010-11-28 14:10:22 <xelister> ;bc;stats
1067 2010-11-28 14:10:23 <xelister> :<
1068 2010-11-28 14:18:36 <Diablo-D3> ;bc,stats
1069 2010-11-28 14:19:08 <Diablo-D3> xelister: there, you got what you fucking want
1070 2010-11-28 14:24:53 <LobsterMan> ;;bc.stats
1071 2010-11-28 14:24:53 <gribble> Error: "bc.stats" is not a valid command.
1072 2010-11-28 14:24:56 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,stats
1073 2010-11-28 14:24:59 <gribble> Current Blocks: 94306 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94752 | Next Difficulty In: 446 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 18 hours, 40 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 7656.44858749
1074 2010-11-28 14:25:01 * LobsterMan slaps gribble around with a heavy metal pole
1075 2010-11-28 14:30:34 <xelister> Diablo-D3: woot, new version I see
1076 2010-11-28 14:30:58 <xelister> Diablo-D3: what about more friendly/niced mode of operation?
1077 2010-11-28 14:31:27 <Diablo-D3> xelister: -f 1000
1078 2010-11-28 14:31:37 <xelister> even with -f 3000 flash sucks
1079 2010-11-28 14:31:52 <Diablo-D3> only if you're using a broken compositor
1080 2010-11-28 14:31:53 <xelister> I mean, flash always sucks, but playback of flash videos speed suck
1081 2010-11-28 14:32:06 <xelister> I dont use 3d desktop etc, normal 2d mode
1082 2010-11-28 14:32:23 <Diablo-D3> yes, but are you using a compositor?
1083 2010-11-28 14:33:09 <xelister> dunno.. how to check?
1084 2010-11-28 14:33:26 <Diablo-D3> what desktop environment?
1085 2010-11-28 14:34:03 <xelister> gnome
1086 2010-11-28 14:34:58 <Diablo-D3> I think metacity can do compositing now
1087 2010-11-28 14:35:01 <Diablo-D3> and its probably broken
1088 2010-11-28 14:35:13 <Diablo-D3> xelister: does it go away when you renice -20 metacity
1089 2010-11-28 14:39:44 <xelister> Diablo-D3: no
1090 2010-11-28 14:40:06 <xelister> the biggest problem is mouse cursor movement actually
1091 2010-11-28 14:40:21 <xelister> it can be so slow as shit that it is hard to point with mouse because it lags 1 second behind your movement
1092 2010-11-28 14:40:44 <xelister> depends on what is under the mouse
1093 2010-11-28 14:40:49 <Diablo-D3> hrrrrm
1094 2010-11-28 14:40:52 <Diablo-D3> well, I dont have it here
1095 2010-11-28 14:40:53 * Diablo-D3 wins
1096 2010-11-28 14:41:03 <xelister> run youtube and move mouse over the comments area
1097 2010-11-28 14:41:55 <Diablo-D3> working fine for me.
1098 2010-11-28 14:42:03 <Diablo-D3> infact Im watching a youtube video as we speak
1099 2010-11-28 14:42:05 * xelister watches youtube videos of TSA
1100 2010-11-28 14:42:09 <xelister> haha American slaves
1101 2010-11-28 14:42:24 * xelister buys 3 Americans. Now mawn my lawn slaves! *whip*
1102 2010-11-28 14:42:55 <xelister> apparently you dont care too much about stripping and groping by some fellow slaves that are dressed in blue, so why not
1103 2010-11-28 14:44:30 <xelister> Diablo-D3: are you printing the 30 second average speed?
1104 2010-11-28 14:44:48 <Diablo-D3> xelister: yes.
1105 2010-11-28 14:45:33 <xelister> are you printing it /instead/ of the global speed?
1106 2010-11-28 14:45:38 <xelister> if yes thet it sucks, print both
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1108 2010-11-28 14:45:58 <xelister> or better: last 1 sec, 30 sec, and session
1109 2010-11-28 14:46:10 <Diablo-D3> xelister: global speed is gone.
1110 2010-11-28 14:46:13 <Diablo-D3> 30 second is good enough
1111 2010-11-28 14:46:19 <Diablo-D3> I hacked around the problem I had with it
1112 2010-11-28 14:47:23 <xelister> it sucks cocks that it doestn show global speed
1113 2010-11-28 14:47:44 <Diablo-D3> global speed really isnt that useful now that I have 30 second working
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1121 2010-11-28 15:13:29 <Diablo-D3> weee
1122 2010-11-28 15:13:33 <Diablo-D3> supcom2 is now $3.75 on steam
1123 2010-11-28 15:19:31 <altamic> manveru here? wow
1124 2010-11-28 15:20:47 <xelister> whos manveru
1125 2010-11-28 15:21:07 <altamic> a ruby hacker
1126 2010-11-28 15:21:35 <altamic> one of the best
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1129 2010-11-28 15:29:36 <manveru> oO
1130 2010-11-28 15:29:54 <manveru> altamic: hi there, how do you know me? :)
1131 2010-11-28 15:30:11 <altamic> by your code :) I've also tried your editor :)
1132 2010-11-28 15:30:45 <manveru> heh, thanks
1133 2010-11-28 15:31:35 <altamic> nice to see you here
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1135 2010-11-28 15:31:57 <manveru> you're http://michelangelo.altamore.org/ ?
1136 2010-11-28 15:32:01 <altamic> yep
1137 2010-11-28 15:32:33 <manveru> nice... i was in catania once
1138 2010-11-28 15:32:38 <altamic> great!
1139 2010-11-28 15:32:45 <altamic> now I am no more in sicily
1140 2010-11-28 15:33:03 <altamic> working in the cold north
1141 2010-11-28 15:33:30 <manveru> finland?
1142 2010-11-28 15:33:33 <altamic> hehe
1143 2010-11-28 15:33:39 <altamic> no Piedmont
1144 2010-11-28 15:33:43 <altamic> still Italy
1145 2010-11-28 15:33:59 <xelister> there should be hotels rented by BTC, then you could get a room
1146 2010-11-28 15:34:00 <manveru> oh, i have friends there...
1147 2010-11-28 15:34:09 <xelister> j/k ;)
1148 2010-11-28 15:34:20 <altamic> Turin?
1149 2010-11-28 15:35:15 <manveru> maggiore
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1151 2010-11-28 15:36:14 <altamic> maggiore? I don't know if it is place or a buddy
1152 2010-11-28 15:36:55 <manveru> it's a lake, actually
1153 2010-11-28 15:37:10 <manveru> http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lago_Maggiore
1154 2010-11-28 15:37:17 <altamic> ahh ok
1155 2010-11-28 15:37:41 <manveru> that's as north as it gets in italy :)
1156 2010-11-28 15:37:48 <altamic> hehe
1157 2010-11-28 15:37:59 <altamic> never been there BTW
1158 2010-11-28 15:38:29 <altamic> I've been recently @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirmione
1159 2010-11-28 15:38:43 <altamic> btw
1160 2010-11-28 15:38:56 <altamic> maybe we are a bit off topic BTW
1161 2010-11-28 15:38:59 <altamic> :)
1162 2010-11-28 15:40:06 <manveru> as long as nobody says anything OT...
1163 2010-11-28 15:40:13 <manveru> what brings you here?
1164 2010-11-28 15:41:03 <altamic> mmm
1165 2010-11-28 15:41:07 <altamic> it's a long story
1166 2010-11-28 15:42:17 <joe_1> is the irish times big? they wrote an article about bitcoins
1167 2010-11-28 15:42:38 <altamic> to make it short I am interested in means to destroy economic parasitisms
1168 2010-11-28 15:43:27 <altamic> and I think bitcoin can be a good ..antivirus
1169 2010-11-28 15:43:35 <altamic> :)
1170 2010-11-28 15:44:07 <altamic> you?
1171 2010-11-28 15:47:00 <acous> joe_1: one of the biggest papers in ireland, national, kinda high brow
1172 2010-11-28 15:48:46 <acous> 360,000 odd readers
1173 2010-11-28 15:50:08 <manveru> altamic: mostly searching for a cheap way to get paid :)
1174 2010-11-28 15:50:27 <altamic> nice
1175 2010-11-28 15:51:19 <acous> altamic: have you come across any interesting ideas in your quest for economic fairness?
1176 2010-11-28 15:51:49 <altamic> I substancially agree with Vladimirr Nuri
1177 2010-11-28 15:52:00 <altamic> sorry Vladimir
1178 2010-11-28 15:52:15 <altamic> you can find it's paper online
1179 2010-11-28 15:52:20 <altamic> its
1180 2010-11-28 15:52:28 <acous> cool thx, i'll have a look
1181 2010-11-28 15:52:31 <altamic> sorry
1182 2010-11-28 15:53:32 <altamic> especially when he says http://pastie.org/1330044
1183 2010-11-28 15:54:09 <altamic> bitcoin fits perfectly
1184 2010-11-28 15:54:58 <altamic> sorry for my crappy english
1185 2010-11-28 15:55:47 <acous> your english seems perfectly fine, many native speakers don't even know "its" from "it's" :)
1186 2010-11-28 15:56:32 <altamic> heh
1187 2010-11-28 16:00:34 <acous> i have the idea in my head, that if you tied a digital currency like bitcoin to a web of trust and allowed "overdrafts", that it could be quite useful, is there anything obvious flaw in that thought?
1188 2010-11-28 16:01:25 <acous> so you'd need to reach a certain level of trust to be allowed to overdraw
1189 2010-11-28 16:02:20 <acous> and as long as the trust web is auditable you can trace the source of problems
1190 2010-11-28 16:02:42 <altamic> that's the point
1191 2010-11-28 16:03:00 <altamic> bitcoin auditability is builtin in the system
1192 2010-11-28 16:03:14 <altamic> no one can prove such property
1193 2010-11-28 16:03:19 <altamic> no banks
1194 2010-11-28 16:03:56 <altamic> bank
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1197 2010-11-28 16:07:44 <altamic> one day maybe one will extract a lamport time lib
1198 2010-11-28 16:08:17 <altamic> heh
1199 2010-11-28 16:09:54 <acous> but is bitcoin viable as a primary economic system? if i run out of bitcoins and have no work, am i stuck without food unless i can ask someone with a lot of money for a loan?
1200 2010-11-28 16:10:06 <acous> is there enough liquidity in the system
1201 2010-11-28 16:12:30 <altamic> I simply don't know
1202 2010-11-28 16:13:22 <acous> maybe i'll post to the forum
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1205 2010-11-28 16:26:41 <sgornick> acous: re: liquidity http://bitcoinmedia.posterous.com/bitcoin-technical-analysis-nov-26-2010
1206 2010-11-28 16:26:41 <sgornick> acous: This pretty much sums it up. > it takes only about 24,000 $ to move the market to 0.40 $/BTC
1207 2010-11-28 16:26:41 <sgornick> acous: If you are in dire dire need of buying BTC today to pay back a loan, let's say $24K worth, you would be paying as much as 38% over current market rates to make that buy.
1208 2010-11-28 16:30:52 <acous> i don't really understand :/ maybe i need to read some basic economic theory :)
1209 2010-11-28 16:32:50 <altamic> it means that's not so bad :)
1210 2010-11-28 16:33:35 <sgornick> acous: This is the -dev channel. Post your thoughts in economy on forum, and I'll put in my two cents. or two BTC, rather. http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?board=7.0
1211 2010-11-28 16:34:39 <acous> ok cool. sorry, i didn't intend to go off topic :)
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1215 2010-11-28 16:58:27 <genjix> jaromil: hey!
1216 2010-11-28 16:58:36 <genjix> you also interested in bitcoin?
1217 2010-11-28 16:58:43 <genjix> fuck yeah I love bitcoins
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1220 2010-11-28 17:04:58 <genjix> ;bcm
1221 2010-11-28 17:07:17 <balboah> it's crazy how fast the value went up since october
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1223 2010-11-28 17:12:53 <xelister> indeed, balboah
1224 2010-11-28 17:13:34 <balboah> too bad I didn't have any bitcoins by then :)
1225 2010-11-28 17:15:35 <xelister> balboah: :)
1226 2010-11-28 17:15:45 <xelister> balboah: well perhaps it will go up again? you can buy bitcoins now
1227 2010-11-28 17:15:57 <balboah> I've earned some, we'll see :)
1228 2010-11-28 17:17:14 <xelister> I guess the 2nd big rise (0.06 -> ~0.25) was due to "invention" of GPU mining
1229 2010-11-28 17:17:33 <xelister> perhaps 3rd will be if there is popular demand for bitcoins to actually buy services etc
1230 2010-11-28 17:19:04 <balboah> yeah
1231 2010-11-28 17:19:08 <balboah> the gpu is cheating ;)
1232 2010-11-28 17:19:39 <xelister> GPU - the god mode of bitcoin mining
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1234 2010-11-28 17:24:17 <genjix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrhLdDIQ5Kk
1235 2010-11-28 17:24:23 <genjix> could be a bitcoin ad
1236 2010-11-28 17:24:43 <xelister> To view this video or group, please verify you are 18 or older by signing in or signing up. If you would instead prefer to avoid potentially inappropriate content, consider activating YouTube's Safety Mode.
1237 2010-11-28 17:24:44 <xelister> faggots.
1238 2010-11-28 17:24:56 <xelister> genjix: care to upload the .flv to like, freenet, or somewhere?
1239 2010-11-28 17:25:21 <genjix> nah, not that important. its more a funny video
1240 2010-11-28 17:25:30 <genjix> btw is there a bitcoin group on freenet?
1241 2010-11-28 17:25:58 <genjix> i saw talk about a tor group
1242 2010-11-28 17:26:03 <genjix> but isnt freenet better?
1243 2010-11-28 17:27:36 <xelister> freenet is anonymous and anticensorship distributed boards+files storage system
1244 2010-11-28 17:27:40 <xelister> #freenet
1245 2010-11-28 17:28:08 <xelister> there is bitcoin group on freenet frost, and on freenet fms. Probably there will be one too on freenet freetalk
1246 2010-11-28 17:28:14 <xelister> (this are 3 boards system)
1247 2010-11-28 17:28:42 <xelister> genjix: ^
1248 2010-11-28 17:29:07 <genjix> ah cool
1249 2010-11-28 17:29:21 <xelister> the board name is simply "bitcoin" in all board systems
1250 2010-11-28 17:29:56 Kiba has joined
1251 2010-11-28 17:30:37 <xelister> wazup Kiba
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1254 2010-11-28 17:40:45 <manveru> i used freenet a few years ago... but i could make coffee during the time a single page took to load...
1255 2010-11-28 17:41:19 <manveru> maybe there are enough people nowadays to make it reasonably fast
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1257 2010-11-28 17:42:18 <genjix> manveru: it's got a lot better in last few months
1258 2010-11-28 17:42:40 <genjix> i stopped using it cos it was too slow but tried it again 1 month ago and was blew away at the improvement
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1260 2010-11-28 17:45:54 <Kiba> hello folks
1261 2010-11-28 17:46:08 <altamic> brb
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1263 2010-11-28 17:47:05 <manveru> Kiba: heya
1264 2010-11-28 18:00:07 <Kiba> so it seem that 10 people download my drawing today
1265 2010-11-28 18:04:19 <genjix> anyone want to play bitcoin poker?
1266 2010-11-28 18:04:29 <genjix> with me
1267 2010-11-28 18:09:28 <balboah> how?
1268 2010-11-28 18:10:28 <Kiba> bow wow dow
1269 2010-11-28 18:15:05 <genjix> balboah: betco.in
1270 2010-11-28 18:17:44 <nanotube> sgornick: acous: topic says "all related discussions are welcome"... and they have historically been. so i think it's not offtopic to talk about economics in here somewhat.
1271 2010-11-28 18:18:14 <genjix> fuck i hate irc nazi's
1272 2010-11-28 18:18:18 <acous> oh cool
1273 2010-11-28 18:18:24 <acous> thanks nanotube
1274 2010-11-28 18:18:40 <genjix> start having a little chit chat and some bastard says OT and tries to get you kicked
1275 2010-11-28 18:18:56 <acous> well it's legitimate in high traffic chans maybe
1276 2010-11-28 18:19:01 <acous> some
1277 2010-11-28 18:19:07 <genjix> no rules
1278 2010-11-28 18:19:51 <acous> maybe you're right :)
1279 2010-11-28 18:21:03 <acous> i wasted my only .02 bitcoin on poker :/
1280 2010-11-28 18:21:06 <nanotube> genjix: don't be hatin' bro.
1281 2010-11-28 18:21:28 <balboah> all in! :P
1282 2010-11-28 18:21:38 <genjix> i only hate rules
1283 2010-11-28 18:21:51 <balboah> poker without rules would be interesting
1284 2010-11-28 18:21:56 <nanotube> genjix: sgornick made a good-faith statement... so what if it turned out to be wrong. we can talk about it in a mature manner. :)
1285 2010-11-28 18:23:07 <Kiba> I have 1111 posts :D
1286 2010-11-28 18:23:08 <genjix> we dont need moderators and rules
1287 2010-11-28 18:25:40 <acous> do we need agreements?
1288 2010-11-28 18:26:18 <Kiba> mtgox's price drop once again
1289 2010-11-28 18:26:20 <Kiba> sheesh
1290 2010-11-28 18:27:05 <balboah> I guess it's stabilizing around that price?
1291 2010-11-28 18:27:33 <balboah> whatever "stable" means :)
1292 2010-11-28 18:28:00 <genjix> anyone know why if i raise inside a python generator then the exception has no string representation when the stack is unwound?
1293 2010-11-28 18:29:08 <Kiba> balboah: we used to have a stable prize of 0.06
1294 2010-11-28 18:29:13 <Kiba> for like two months
1295 2010-11-28 18:29:48 <balboah> when did it all "start"?
1296 2010-11-28 18:29:56 <Kiba> the price?
1297 2010-11-28 18:29:56 <balboah> the bitcoin economy I mean
1298 2010-11-28 18:30:07 <genjix> well for 2 weeks the price suddenly exploded for a bit
1299 2010-11-28 18:30:12 <Kiba> the bitcoin economy started the moment people start to exchange bitcoins for goods
1300 2010-11-28 18:30:22 <Kiba> like the pizza buying, one of the earliest example
1301 2010-11-28 18:30:28 <balboah> haha
1302 2010-11-28 18:30:32 <balboah> someone did that already?
1303 2010-11-28 18:30:32 <Kiba> a person brought pizza for 10,000 bitcoin
1304 2010-11-28 18:30:33 <genjix> https://www.bitcoinmarket.com/
1305 2010-11-28 18:30:36 <genjix> graph there
1306 2010-11-28 18:30:47 <Kiba> back then, bitcoins weren't worth much
1307 2010-11-28 18:31:04 <balboah> it's funny how you could be welthy now by being one of the first
1308 2010-11-28 18:31:19 <genjix> seems it started around July
1309 2010-11-28 18:31:30 <balboah> yeah
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1311 2010-11-28 18:31:48 <genjix> not that wealthy
1312 2010-11-28 18:31:52 <genjix> if you'd have put 1k in
1313 2010-11-28 18:31:55 <genjix> you'd have 4k now
1314 2010-11-28 18:32:18 <balboah> but what if there were like 10 people even before that graph=
1315 2010-11-28 18:32:48 <genjix> yeah well depends how much they put in
1316 2010-11-28 18:32:54 <balboah> if someone sits with 100k of them without having to put much effort in it =)
1317 2010-11-28 18:33:06 <genjix> ah yeah cos of generating
1318 2010-11-28 18:33:13 <genjix> cool, they'd be wealthy
1319 2010-11-28 18:33:59 <tcatm> http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bcmPPUSD before july volume was quite high compared to now. i think there were many people exchanging >20k BTC in one trade
1320 2010-11-28 18:34:50 <genjix> wow thats high
1321 2010-11-28 18:35:00 <genjix> 20k
1322 2010-11-28 18:35:26 <genjix> thats like $7k
1323 2010-11-28 18:35:50 <balboah> :)
1324 2010-11-28 18:35:51 <brocktice> it's more informative if you show volume in usd
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1326 2010-11-28 18:36:19 <balboah> it's easier to calculate btc than usd for my local currency :)
1327 2010-11-28 18:36:47 <tcatm> on june 28 someone bought 16k BTC for $880. Now they're worth about $4500
1328 2010-11-28 18:37:19 <balboah> why didn't anyone tell me earlier
1329 2010-11-28 18:37:41 <Kiba> balboah: back then you wouldn't believe it anyway
1330 2010-11-28 18:37:45 <Kiba> hindsight 100%
1331 2010-11-28 18:37:46 <balboah> but I do think I stumbled on bitcoin very erarly. but closed it pretty quick
1332 2010-11-28 18:37:50 <balboah> just a vague memoru
1333 2010-11-28 18:38:03 <balboah> the page I mean
1334 2010-11-28 18:38:03 <brocktice> The thing is, back then there was less certainty you wouldn't just lose your money
1335 2010-11-28 18:38:13 <Kiba> slashdot
1336 2010-11-28 18:38:16 <brocktice> even now there's that risk, but it's smaller
1337 2010-11-28 18:38:20 <tcatm> brocktice: back then CPU generating was very easy.
1338 2010-11-28 18:38:57 <tcatm> A CPU would happily find a few blocks / day.
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1340 2010-11-28 18:39:11 <brocktice> yeah I joined with the slashdot crowd
1341 2010-11-28 18:39:21 <Kiba> I come after slashdot
1342 2010-11-28 18:39:22 <brocktice> generated a few
1343 2010-11-28 18:39:25 <Kiba> a little bit after
1344 2010-11-28 18:39:28 <genjix> someone told me on IRC
1345 2010-11-28 18:39:29 <brocktice> but shortly thereafter I decided to start investing with cash
1346 2010-11-28 18:39:46 <genjix> and i forgot, but then needed a monetary system for an app I'm writing
1347 2010-11-28 18:40:08 <genjix> so I came back to bitcoin and checked it out a bit. blew me away
1348 2010-11-28 18:40:13 jrabbit has joined
1349 2010-11-28 18:40:25 <balboah> so the developers will be happy if it succeeds if they have their million of usd then :)
1350 2010-11-28 18:40:28 <brocktice> In total I put in $600, not counting the miner.
1351 2010-11-28 18:40:44 <brocktice> Then when prices hit 0.3 I sold $600 leaving me with $1000 or so in bitcoins, 'free'
1352 2010-11-28 18:41:01 <balboah> but I really love how bitcoin is run, even if I don't understand the details
1353 2010-11-28 18:42:17 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: did you hear? I finally generated a block with my miner
1354 2010-11-28 18:42:54 <tcatm> I put about $80 in (excluding miner). Sold them for $334.
1355 2010-11-28 18:43:26 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: oh, cool. 'grats
1356 2010-11-28 18:43:33 <balboah> these days I would think the electricity is more expensive than what you generate in average?
1357 2010-11-28 18:43:47 <brocktice> no no
1358 2010-11-28 18:43:50 <balboah> depending on where you live of course
1359 2010-11-28 18:43:51 <brocktice> maybe with cpu?
1360 2010-11-28 18:43:54 <brocktice> but not with GPU
1361 2010-11-28 18:44:01 <brocktice> with GPU hardware aside it's almost all profit
1362 2010-11-28 18:44:15 <brocktice> for now anyway
1363 2010-11-28 18:44:29 <genjix> why isnt a gpu miner integrated with the client
1364 2010-11-28 18:44:30 <balboah> but is cpu really working? seeing the tables that suggests it takes a year for my macbook pro to generate 1 coin
1365 2010-11-28 18:44:33 <brocktice> unless someone comes up with a faster way to do hashes I think it's going to stay that way for the foreseeable future
1366 2010-11-28 18:44:37 <brocktice> genjix: it's hard
1367 2010-11-28 18:44:44 <genjix> i see
1368 2010-11-28 18:44:45 <brocktice> genjix: for cross-platform compatibility
1369 2010-11-28 18:44:49 <brocktice> you have to compile for the individual gpu
1370 2010-11-28 18:44:55 <brocktice> AFAIK
1371 2010-11-28 18:45:02 <brocktice> BUT
1372 2010-11-28 18:45:10 <brocktice> satoshi finally included getwork in the mainline client
1373 2010-11-28 18:45:24 <brocktice> so now you don't have to patch and build bitcoin from SVN yourself to use gpu miners.
1374 2010-11-28 18:46:07 <Diablo-D3> yeah except
1375 2010-11-28 18:46:11 <Diablo-D3> he broke it for my mine
1376 2010-11-28 18:46:13 <Diablo-D3> *miner
1377 2010-11-28 18:46:23 <brocktice> well, he broke m0m's too
1378 2010-11-28 18:46:27 <brocktice> but m0mchil fixed it
1379 2010-11-28 18:46:55 osmosis has joined
1380 2010-11-28 18:46:57 <nanotube> Diablo-D3: fix your miner to play nice with satoshi's getwork. :)
1381 2010-11-28 18:47:06 <Diablo-D3> yeah, Ill do it later
1382 2010-11-28 18:47:19 <tcatm> We should add an OpenCL miner to jgarzik's demonstration miner.
1383 2010-11-28 18:47:40 <nanotube> balboah: yea, cpu gen is much slower. such is life. :P
1384 2010-11-28 18:47:43 <brocktice> tcatm: m0mchil's opencl kernel is about as simple as it can get
1385 2010-11-28 18:47:45 <nanotube> tcatm: heh good idea.
1386 2010-11-28 18:47:59 <brocktice> I'm working on splitting his miner into a BitcoinMiner python class
1387 2010-11-28 18:48:01 <brocktice> and UI code
1388 2010-11-28 18:48:05 <nanotube> mm
1389 2010-11-28 18:48:12 <brocktice> right now actually, should be done before too long
1390 2010-11-28 18:48:20 <brocktice> will make it easier for people to build different UIs around it.
1391 2010-11-28 18:48:24 <brocktice> and keep up with changes
1392 2010-11-28 18:48:39 <brocktice> realized this was necessary after he patched for the new getwork and I had to copy/paste to my version
1393 2010-11-28 18:50:00 <genjix> when you talk about gpu miners, do you mean cg shaders mining for bitcoins?
1394 2010-11-28 18:50:45 <genjix> (thats what opencl is I think. allowing calculations on gpu as well as cpu)
1395 2010-11-28 18:51:18 <Diablo-D3> no
1396 2010-11-28 18:51:21 <Diablo-D3> opencl
1397 2010-11-28 18:51:25 <Diablo-D3> genjix: seriously? cg? wtf man
1398 2010-11-28 18:51:56 <Diablo-D3> cg is a useless pixel shader language nvidia barfed up that is very hlsl like and has no open source implementation
1399 2010-11-28 18:52:04 <Diablo-D3> if you're going to write pixel shaders, just write them in glsl
1400 2010-11-28 18:52:36 <genjix> dont know glsl, but i used to write cg shaders years ago
1401 2010-11-28 18:52:47 <genjix> but same idea yep
1402 2010-11-28 18:53:29 <genjix> (it was a project and they only used Cg, not GLSL)
1403 2010-11-28 18:54:23 <brocktice> whoops, guess I found the overclocking limit on my workstation's second 5770
1404 2010-11-28 18:54:26 <brocktice> hung the machine
1405 2010-11-28 18:57:23 <nanotube> hehe, that's the only way to find the limit. :)
1406 2010-11-28 18:57:35 <brocktice> machine wasn't hung until I tried to kill python
1407 2010-11-28 18:59:47 <osmosis> any bitcoin munin plugins out there?
1408 2010-11-28 19:01:03 <Diablo-D3> genjix: that project was useless shit then
1409 2010-11-28 19:01:08 <Diablo-D3> fucking closed source retardation
1410 2010-11-28 19:01:22 <nathan7> :o
1411 2010-11-28 19:01:58 <genjix> Diablo-D3: dont be rude. and no it was not. we worked on a blender foundation project
1412 2010-11-28 19:02:23 <Diablo-D3> why would blender promote closed source technology?
1413 2010-11-28 19:02:53 <genjix> it was an open source project
1414 2010-11-28 19:03:03 <ArtForz> brocktice: thats the usual failure mode when pushing core OC too far
1415 2010-11-28 19:03:06 <genjix> just one tiny part used closed source Cg
1416 2010-11-28 19:03:06 <Diablo-D3> not if it used cg it wasnt
1417 2010-11-28 19:03:10 <brocktice> ArtForz: yep
1418 2010-11-28 19:03:19 <brocktice> ArtForz: it ran fine for several minutes while I watched it
1419 2010-11-28 19:03:23 <genjix> because someone who wrote the plugin, wrote it before GLSL existed
1420 2010-11-28 19:03:24 <ArtForz> yep
1421 2010-11-28 19:03:31 <brocktice> then I stepped away and when I came back it was not hashing anymore
1422 2010-11-28 19:03:46 <ArtForz> "a watched card never crashes"
1423 2010-11-28 19:03:54 <brocktice> Oh I've seen it crash when watched
1424 2010-11-28 19:04:08 <brocktice> anyway, seems the limit for my powercolor is 925 and the sapphire is 975
1425 2010-11-28 19:04:16 <Diablo-D3> genjix: erm, before _glsl_ existed
1426 2010-11-28 19:04:18 * Diablo-D3 snickers
1427 2010-11-28 19:04:32 <ArtForz> for 5770s?
1428 2010-11-28 19:04:36 <brocktice> ArtForz: yep\
1429 2010-11-28 19:04:37 <ArtForz> thats... not much
1430 2010-11-28 19:04:42 <brocktice> the powercolor cooler blows, too
1431 2010-11-28 19:04:48 <brocktice> it gets much hotter even at lower clock rates
1432 2010-11-28 19:04:50 <ArtForz> reference cooler?
1433 2010-11-28 19:04:52 <brocktice> no
1434 2010-11-28 19:04:58 <ArtForz> eww
1435 2010-11-28 19:04:59 <brocktice> the sapphire is the ref cooler, it seems to work well
1436 2010-11-28 19:05:02 <jrabbit> http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/nov/29/wikileaks-cables-data#data
1437 2010-11-28 19:05:11 <brocktice> Well, I got it for the eyefinity 5, not for mining.
1438 2010-11-28 19:05:26 <Diablo-D3> genjix: so, if glsl is older than cg, why was it invented to let you have a universal "compiler" that can output glsl or hlsl?
1439 2010-11-28 19:05:29 <Diablo-D3> er
1440 2010-11-28 19:05:32 <ArtForz> yep, 5770 ref cooler is quite noisy but works
1441 2010-11-28 19:05:32 <Diablo-D3> if cg is older than glsl
1442 2010-11-28 19:05:33 <genjix> Diablo-D3: well afaik at the time glsl wasn't very mature and that person elected for cg
1443 2010-11-28 19:05:43 <ArtForz> most of the AIB versions seem to suck
1444 2010-11-28 19:05:52 <brocktice> ArtForz: maybe I'm doing something wrong, the ref cooler doesn't seem very loud at all
1445 2010-11-28 19:06:02 <brocktice> maybe I just can't hear it over the ultra kazes on the other box
1446 2010-11-28 19:06:03 <ArtForz> run it at 100%
1447 2010-11-28 19:06:06 <brocktice> I am
1448 2010-11-28 19:06:07 <Diablo-D3> genjix: that person sounds like someone who cant code.
1449 2010-11-28 19:06:31 <ArtForz> well, it's quiet compared to a 5970 @ 100%, but its easily louder than a 3kRPM ultra kaze
1450 2010-11-28 19:06:34 <genjix> you're just behaving really silly
1451 2010-11-28 19:06:38 <genjix> of course they could code
1452 2010-11-28 19:07:02 <Diablo-D3> not if they couldnt learn how to use glsl
1453 2010-11-28 19:07:08 <ArtForz> or maybe the fan bearing on mine is on its way out
1454 2010-11-28 19:07:15 <brocktice> here's the powercolor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131358&cm_re=eyefinity_5-_-14-131-358-_-Product
1455 2010-11-28 19:07:25 <brocktice> ArtForz: is there some way to verify the fan speed?
1456 2010-11-28 19:07:34 <genjix> they chose Cg for whatever reason
1457 2010-11-28 19:07:35 <brocktice> aticonfig is saying the command succeeded
1458 2010-11-28 19:07:37 <ArtForz> EWWW
1459 2010-11-28 19:07:43 <genjix> said it was best and wrote the plugin
1460 2010-11-28 19:07:53 <brocktice> ArtForz: yeah it's mainly for driving my displays
1461 2010-11-28 19:08:00 <ArtForz> thats the same crap cooler used on the el-cheapo club3ds
1462 2010-11-28 19:08:03 <genjix> and then i & others used it for other things
1463 2010-11-28 19:08:06 <ArtForz> = utter crap
1464 2010-11-28 19:08:20 <Diablo-D3> genjix: I wonder if he realized all his cg shaders were (badly) translated to opencl when executed on linux
1465 2010-11-28 19:08:42 <brocktice> ArtForz: this is ref cooler right? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102858&cm_re=sapphire_5770-_-14-102-858-_-Product
1466 2010-11-28 19:08:49 <genjix> it was a big project so i didnt have time to evaluate
1467 2010-11-28 19:08:56 <ArtForz> not even a heatpipe or copper design, just a slab of alu
1468 2010-11-28 19:09:00 <genjix> well we would install nvidia-cg-toolkit on linux
1469 2010-11-28 19:09:03 <ArtForz> yep, thats the V1 ref cooler
1470 2010-11-28 19:09:07 <genjix> otherwise the shaders would look terrible
1471 2010-11-28 19:09:21 <brocktice> ArtForz: do you know some way to get fan speed info?
1472 2010-11-28 19:09:26 <Diablo-D3> genjix: the shaders DO look terrible
1473 2010-11-28 19:09:34 <ArtForz> errr
1474 2010-11-28 19:09:42 <Diablo-D3> genjix: the only time Cg shaders look correct is if you're either on nvidia or you're using hlsl
1475 2010-11-28 19:09:42 <genjix> no they look fine with nvidia-cg-toolkit installed
1476 2010-11-28 19:09:49 <ArtForz> aticonfig --pplib-cmd 'get fanspeed 0' ?
1477 2010-11-28 19:09:52 <Diablo-D3> which means thats absolutely useless
1478 2010-11-28 19:09:59 <genjix> ah yes there was fallbacks for that though
1479 2010-11-28 19:10:05 <genjix> you specify different levels
1480 2010-11-28 19:10:13 <brocktice> yeah it's at 100%
1481 2010-11-28 19:10:16 <ArtForz> btw, these are nice for running passive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102873
1482 2010-11-28 19:10:18 <brocktice> both of them are
1483 2010-11-28 19:10:18 <Diablo-D3> genjix: yes, Ive seen that bullshit, its still useless
1484 2010-11-28 19:10:37 <ArtForz> large fin area, 2 big heatpipes, copper base
1485 2010-11-28 19:10:50 <Diablo-D3> genjix: anyhow, to answer your question, no, you use opencl, who's gpu programming language is very much like glsl
1486 2010-11-28 19:10:52 <brocktice> ArtForz: maybe your fan is dying
1487 2010-11-28 19:10:55 <Diablo-D3> genjix: which both are like C.
1488 2010-11-28 19:11:00 <ArtForz> lose the fan + shroud and it makes a quite decent passive cooler
1489 2010-11-28 19:11:03 <brocktice> Or are you referring to that second design?
1490 2010-11-28 19:11:07 <ArtForz> nope
1491 2010-11-28 19:11:22 <ArtForz> I can hear my ref 5770 whine at 100% from the next room
1492 2010-11-28 19:11:28 <genjix> ok
1493 2010-11-28 19:11:31 <genjix> thanks
1494 2010-11-28 19:11:39 <ArtForz> the fan on that sapphire design is pretty much inaudible
1495 2010-11-28 19:11:45 <genjix> ;)
1496 2010-11-28 19:11:57 <ArtForz> ... and dead after 4 weeks at 60%
1497 2010-11-28 19:12:04 <brocktice> huh
1498 2010-11-28 19:12:11 <ArtForz> yep
1499 2010-11-28 19:12:23 <ArtForz> crappiest sleeve-bearing fan I've ever encountered
1500 2010-11-28 19:12:36 <brocktice> Well, I'm not complaining if this one is quiet
1501 2010-11-28 19:12:43 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: btw, my miner finally produced a block :D
1502 2010-11-28 19:13:29 <ArtForz> 4 weeks at 60% fanspeed and ~75°C core, 4/4 fans with seized bearings
1503 2010-11-28 19:13:34 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: oh, and btw
1504 2010-11-28 19:13:43 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: I had to get rid of split mode
1505 2010-11-28 19:13:53 <ArtForz> y?
1506 2010-11-28 19:14:00 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: the sdk was giving me back valid handles for the buffers
1507 2010-11-28 19:14:06 <Diablo-D3> but also passing back an error I wasnt checking
1508 2010-11-28 19:14:13 <ArtForz> whoops
1509 2010-11-28 19:14:34 <Diablo-D3> to get rid of the error I had to shrink the buffers so small that I couldnt fit enough work in
1510 2010-11-28 19:14:39 <ArtForz> eww
1511 2010-11-28 19:14:43 <Diablo-D3> so it was slowing down because of that
1512 2010-11-28 19:15:03 <ArtForz> that sucks
1513 2010-11-28 19:15:14 <Diablo-D3> yeah, so I just removed all the code
1514 2010-11-28 19:15:21 <Diablo-D3> its unworkable
1515 2010-11-28 19:15:39 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: the shitty part is
1516 2010-11-28 19:15:45 <Diablo-D3> even though the buffers were technically invalid
1517 2010-11-28 19:15:53 <Diablo-D3> the kernels still executed
1518 2010-11-28 19:16:05 <Diablo-D3> and they were doing reads and writes to the buffers
1519 2010-11-28 19:16:08 <ArtForz> fun!
1520 2010-11-28 19:16:16 <Diablo-D3> so Im not sure where that shit went, but I did, infact, hit 99.1% efficiency
1521 2010-11-28 19:16:29 <Diablo-D3> and they cant take that away from me
1522 2010-11-28 19:16:59 <ArtForz> weird
1523 2010-11-28 19:17:10 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: btw, instead of 16 megs per buffer, I had to cut them all the way down to 4.
1524 2010-11-28 19:17:16 <Diablo-D3> the entire space is 32 megs
1525 2010-11-28 19:17:34 <ArtForz> ?
1526 2010-11-28 19:17:48 <ArtForz> afair its 1/4 video memory
1527 2010-11-28 19:17:54 <Diablo-D3> not on a 4xxx
1528 2010-11-28 19:18:03 <ArtForz> wow, that sucks
1529 2010-11-28 19:18:10 <Diablo-D3> and its 1/4th video memory OR 128 minimum
1530 2010-11-28 19:18:33 <Diablo-D3> but its only 32 on 4xxx, and it doesnt support any of the image stuff either
1531 2010-11-28 19:18:43 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: so
1532 2010-11-28 19:18:53 <Diablo-D3> round trip, my work size was about half the size it needed to be
1533 2010-11-28 19:19:31 <Diablo-D3> which means, sure, it was fucking efficient, but ... too efficient =/
1534 2010-11-28 19:19:54 <Diablo-D3> so I'm back to being just ever so north of 75.
1535 2010-11-28 19:20:32 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: oh, and it double screwed me
1536 2010-11-28 19:20:43 <Diablo-D3> I had to cut down on my execution threads
1537 2010-11-28 19:20:47 <Diablo-D3> just to make it fit
1538 2010-11-28 19:20:52 <Diablo-D3> which caused increased shit
1539 2010-11-28 19:20:56 <ArtForz> eww
1540 2010-11-28 19:21:08 <Diablo-D3> and its slower on 5xxx anyhow
1541 2010-11-28 19:21:13 <Diablo-D3> so meh, out it goes
1542 2010-11-28 19:21:20 <ArtForz> yup
1543 2010-11-28 19:21:20 theymos has joined
1544 2010-11-28 19:21:43 <ArtForz> I'm still trying to wrap my head around r600/r700 VLIW register access limitations
1545 2010-11-28 19:21:54 <Diablo-D3> did anyone try making this a glsl shader?
1546 2010-11-28 19:22:26 <Diablo-D3> I dont think we can get anything useful out of that though
1547 2010-11-28 19:22:44 <Diablo-D3> and Im tired of looking at this
1548 2010-11-28 19:22:49 <Diablo-D3> Im above 95% efficiency
1549 2010-11-28 19:22:54 <Diablo-D3> thats good enough
1550 2010-11-28 19:23:13 <ArtForz> I am pretty sure one could get another 2-3% from optimizing ALU usage
1551 2010-11-28 19:23:19 <Diablo-D3> well
1552 2010-11-28 19:23:21 <Diablo-D3> we did
1553 2010-11-28 19:23:24 <Diablo-D3> well I did
1554 2010-11-28 19:23:28 <Diablo-D3> the 99.1% was real
1555 2010-11-28 19:23:34 <Diablo-D3> even if it was reading/writing garbage
1556 2010-11-28 19:23:58 osmosis has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
1557 2010-11-28 19:24:06 <ArtForz> or maybe the load/store units saw invalid accesses and just skipped em ...
1558 2010-11-28 19:24:19 <Diablo-D3> kernel still has to send the request for it
1559 2010-11-28 19:24:59 <ArtForz> like I said, dump the generated ASM, check for ALU packing %
1560 2010-11-28 19:25:07 <Diablo-D3> meh
1561 2010-11-28 19:25:09 <Diablo-D3> at this point
1562 2010-11-28 19:25:10 <Diablo-D3> I dont care
1563 2010-11-28 19:25:29 <Diablo-D3> because I will soon be able to afford a new video card
1564 2010-11-28 19:26:02 <Diablo-D3> which is going to be either a 5850 or a 6850 I think
1565 2010-11-28 19:26:22 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: does ANY card ship with a good hsf?
1566 2010-11-28 19:26:39 <brocktice> ArtForz: I guess that fanspeed is not read from the fan but from the current set speed on the card
1567 2010-11-28 19:26:51 <brocktice> ArtForz: because on my watercooled cards it's returning a non-zero reading
1568 2010-11-28 19:26:59 <ArtForz> yep
1569 2010-11-28 19:27:01 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: because those asus cards look exactly like the stock
1570 2010-11-28 19:27:09 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: btw yes
1571 2010-11-28 19:27:11 <ArtForz> well, it's the actual speed the on-card controller is currently using
1572 2010-11-28 19:27:13 <Diablo-D3> mine says a speed
1573 2010-11-28 19:27:19 <Diablo-D3> and theres no fan on the card at all
1574 2010-11-28 19:27:22 <Diablo-D3> and the header is empty
1575 2010-11-28 19:27:23 <Diablo-D3> ALSO
1576 2010-11-28 19:27:25 <Diablo-D3> look at the header
1577 2010-11-28 19:27:27 <Diablo-D3> its two pin
1578 2010-11-28 19:27:32 <ArtForz> 5970 for example ramps REALLY slowly
1579 2010-11-28 19:27:34 <Diablo-D3> you need the three pin type to return speed
1580 2010-11-28 19:27:38 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: right
1581 2010-11-28 19:27:51 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: I hadn't ever looked closely as it's covered by the cooler shroud
1582 2010-11-28 19:28:04 <ArtForz> yep, afair 5770 doesn't have RPM readout
1583 2010-11-28 19:28:04 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: and my 5970 coolers are stashed away in their boxes
1584 2010-11-28 19:28:26 <ArtForz> 5970 does have fan speed readout, but I dont htink aticonfig diplays it
1585 2010-11-28 19:28:27 <brocktice> Added water wetter to my setup today too
1586 2010-11-28 19:28:44 <brocktice> No algae yet, case is dark, but I don't know, can algae grow in infrared?
1587 2010-11-28 19:28:57 <brocktice> wanted to prevent it, protect the metals, etc.
1588 2010-11-28 19:29:03 <ArtForz> actually algae growth is overrated
1589 2010-11-28 19:29:22 <brocktice> ArtForz: I'm sure if you have a window in your case and it sits where it can get sunlight it will become a problem.
1590 2010-11-28 19:29:40 <ArtForz> I ran a open system for 2 years, acrylic reservoir, plain demin water, 0 algae growth
1591 2010-11-28 19:30:09 <brocktice> supposed to help cooling a little too, but I'm watching to see
1592 2010-11-28 19:30:23 <brocktice> 20F is not that much, that's the max claimed improvement
1593 2010-11-28 19:30:35 <ArtForz> probably mostly bullshit
1594 2010-11-28 19:31:01 <Diablo-D3> the only reason you avoid plain water is corrosion
1595 2010-11-28 19:31:08 <ArtForz> I also had no corrosion problems at all
1596 2010-11-28 19:31:15 <brocktice> that and algae were the two reasons I put it in
1597 2010-11-28 19:31:19 <ArtForz> copper blocks, alu rad
1598 2010-11-28 19:31:21 <brocktice> it's a small amount, I did 3%
1599 2010-11-28 19:32:27 <ArtForz> copper+alu is usually no problem, electrolytic corrosion starts mainly when you throw steel or stainless into the mix
1600 2010-11-28 19:32:44 <Kiba> alage cause problem, eh?
1601 2010-11-28 19:32:49 <brocktice> Yeah the stuff I could find on forums wasn't great
1602 2010-11-28 19:33:10 <brocktice> but I'm new at water cooling and the consensus seemed to be that using a little water wetter or purple ice was the safe bet.
1603 2010-11-28 19:33:10 <Kiba> water cooling rigs
1604 2010-11-28 19:33:36 <brocktice> I wasn't about to dump 10% antifreeze in though.
1605 2010-11-28 19:33:45 <ArtForz> not to mention, if you have water temps where algae are a problem, you run your fans too fast :P
1606 2010-11-28 19:33:53 <Diablo-D3> anyhow
1607 2010-11-28 19:33:54 <Diablo-D3> Im going to bed
1608 2010-11-28 19:33:59 <brocktice> goodnight
1609 2010-11-28 19:34:00 <Diablo-D3> Im happy with the fucking miner
1610 2010-11-28 19:34:07 <brocktice> :)
1611 2010-11-28 19:34:07 <Diablo-D3> it only has one bug because satoshi caused it
1612 2010-11-28 19:34:10 <Diablo-D3> it works
1613 2010-11-28 19:34:14 <Diablo-D3> it works better than m0's
1614 2010-11-28 19:34:23 <Diablo-D3> and that fucking ubuntu 64 bug is user error
1615 2010-11-28 19:34:26 * Kiba learns about antifreeze
1616 2010-11-28 19:34:29 <Diablo-D3> export DISPLAY=:0 and it goes away
1617 2010-11-28 19:34:39 <brocktice> PEBKAC in my case for sure
1618 2010-11-28 19:34:55 <Diablo-D3> well at least I can reproduce it, and that fixes it
1619 2010-11-28 19:34:56 <Diablo-D3> so meh
1620 2010-11-28 19:34:59 <brocktice> "OK, is the computer plugged in?"
1621 2010-11-28 19:35:09 <Diablo-D3> night
1622 2010-11-28 19:35:36 <ArtForz> btw, you never ask if its plugged in, you tell the user to unplug and replug it "to discharge capacitors"
1623 2010-11-28 19:36:07 <brocktice> hey, I do that to discharge capacitors
1624 2010-11-28 19:36:11 <brocktice> that and pressing the power button
1625 2010-11-28 19:36:11 <nanotube> ArtForz: haha
1626 2010-11-28 19:36:22 <zc00gii> ohai nanotube
1627 2010-11-28 19:36:31 <nanotube> zc00gii: o/ :)
1628 2010-11-28 19:36:40 <ArtForz> otherwise you get the standard response of "OF COURSE IT'S PLUGGED IN I'M NOT A FUCKING IDIOT I WANT TO SPEAK TO SOMEONE WHO ISN'T A FUCKING SCRIPT MONKEY"
1629 2010-11-28 19:36:51 <brocktice> ArtForz: done tech support much?
1630 2010-11-28 19:36:56 <ArtForz> yep
1631 2010-11-28 19:37:10 <nanotube> lol
1632 2010-11-28 19:37:17 <brocktice> Sometimes you just have to be the rubber ducky
1633 2010-11-28 19:37:37 <ArtForz> manned the student helldesk
1634 2010-11-28 19:37:43 <brocktice> "Well, ducky, after I plugged it in and pressed the power but... oh wait, I didn't plug it in."
1635 2010-11-28 19:38:26 <genjix> haha thats hilarious
1636 2010-11-28 19:38:29 <Kiba> left and right are confusing
1637 2010-11-28 19:38:38 <genjix> cos id probably say the same thing as a caller :)
1638 2010-11-28 19:39:34 <theymos> Does anyone have a PHP implementation of GetCompact?
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1640 2010-11-28 19:39:48 <ArtForz> well, and sometimes what sounds like PEBCAK is an actual hardware fault
1641 2010-11-28 19:42:40 <ArtForz> I fucking hate intermittent hardware problems
1642 2010-11-28 19:42:59 <brocktice> Intermittent problems in general are quite annoying
1643 2010-11-28 19:43:04 <brocktice> software or hardware
1644 2010-11-28 19:43:17 <brocktice> especially the software ones that disappear whenever you attach a debugger.
1645 2010-11-28 19:43:30 <ArtForz> yep
1646 2010-11-28 19:43:45 <ArtForz> or that disappear when you compile with -O0 -g
1647 2010-11-28 19:44:03 <Kiba> heningburg bug
1648 2010-11-28 19:44:12 <ArtForz> aka heisenbugs, usually found in not-quite-threadsafe code
1649 2010-11-28 19:44:24 <Kiba> heisenburg bug*
1650 2010-11-28 19:44:49 <ArtForz> compile it with different switches, add a printf, attach a debugger, run it on a different box... works fine
1651 2010-11-28 19:45:55 <ArtForz> you can have pretty much the same thing in hardware
1652 2010-11-28 19:46:20 <OneFixt> ;;bc,stats
1653 2010-11-28 19:46:26 <gribble> Current Blocks: 94353 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94752 | Next Difficulty In: 399 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 11 hours, 27 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 7679.37988895
1654 2010-11-28 19:46:29 <ArtForz> oscillating amplifier, added capacitance from probe makes it stable
1655 2010-11-28 19:47:54 <ArtForz> high speed opamp based circuits are so not fun to debug
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1658 2010-11-28 20:04:10 <brocktice> woohoo, got m0mchil's miner abstracted into a BitcoinMiner class.
1659 2010-11-28 20:04:29 <brocktice> using it, with 6 additional lines of python you can mine.
1660 2010-11-28 20:08:55 <jaromil> genjix: hi
1661 2010-11-28 20:09:06 <genjix> sup
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1673 2010-11-28 20:31:37 <nanotube> DrEeevil: i suggest setting 'no join until identified' on your irc client. :)
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1675 2010-11-28 20:34:05 <DrEeevil> nanotube: I suggest freenode not randomfail like stupid moroncake
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1681 2010-11-28 20:38:06 <bonsaikitten> there. much better when the server actually connects instead of fringle swoop bleep bleep :)
1682 2010-11-28 20:38:14 <bonsaikitten> (off by one errors are awesome :) )
1683 2010-11-28 20:42:04 <nanotube> how does he expect freenode to know that he's "about to identify" and thus not let him join channels, i wonder....
1684 2010-11-28 20:42:21 <genjix> why so much insulting today
1685 2010-11-28 20:44:39 <nanotube> dunno... some people are like that... the pseudonymity of irc tends to bring out the worst in some. :)
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1687 2010-11-28 20:58:31 <Kiba> nanotube: anonymousity = fucktard
1688 2010-11-28 20:59:44 <xelister_> Kiba: anonimity is important
1689 2010-11-28 21:00:21 <Kiba> and can be abused
1690 2010-11-28 21:01:58 <xelister_> no anonymity = 1 year in reeducation camp in china
1691 2010-11-28 21:02:14 <xelister_> coming soon to totalitarian govs in EU near you \o/
1692 2010-11-28 21:04:11 <nanotube> Kiba: anonymity is a tool... like any tool, it can be used for good, or for bad.
1693 2010-11-28 21:04:17 <Kiba> they want their circus and bread, xelister_
1694 2010-11-28 21:04:38 <xelister_> yeah what nanotube said
1695 2010-11-28 21:04:50 <xelister_> and lack of this tool sprungs china like situation
1696 2010-11-28 21:04:54 <Kiba> xelister_: people also die all the time, so the population won't remember what happens in Germany
1697 2010-11-28 21:06:42 <Kiba> but it doesn't neccesary mean that people won't wise up
1698 2010-11-28 21:06:54 <Kiba> err will wise up as they grow older
1699 2010-11-28 21:06:58 <Kiba> but then I am 19
1700 2010-11-28 21:07:01 <Kiba> wtf do I know?
1701 2010-11-28 21:08:35 <Kiba> I am learning a lot though
1702 2010-11-28 21:09:28 <nanotube> learning is good. hard to go wrong with learning. :)
1703 2010-11-28 21:10:55 <Kiba> the problem with adult wisdom is that they only live one time
1704 2010-11-28 21:13:28 <Kiba> so incredibly young, so incredibly radical
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1706 2010-11-28 21:15:05 <mpcoinmara> which bitcoin channels are the most active
1707 2010-11-28 21:15:13 <Kiba> this channel
1708 2010-11-28 21:15:15 <Kiba> where everyone is
1709 2010-11-28 21:15:23 <Kiba> #bc-news for bitcoin community happening
1710 2010-11-28 21:16:18 <mpcoinmara> i just needed to express my concern for the lack of quality in bitcoin porn
1711 2010-11-28 21:16:55 <Kiba> porn in general are low quality
1712 2010-11-28 21:18:30 <bencoder> what kinda porn are you into? I'll go collect some and you can pay me bc for it. :P
1713 2010-11-28 21:19:55 <nanotube> mpcoinmara: haha
1714 2010-11-28 21:21:04 <mpcoinmara> aren't the best advances in technology supposed to come from war, gambling and sex?
1715 2010-11-28 21:21:17 <Kiba> an MMO
1716 2010-11-28 21:21:23 <Kiba> with gambling and porn
1717 2010-11-28 21:21:31 <Kiba> will be the most unholy, addicting enterprise of all time
1718 2010-11-28 21:24:20 <bencoder> doesn't second life have gambling and porn?
1719 2010-11-28 21:24:38 <bencoder> that doesn't seem very addictive to me
1720 2010-11-28 21:25:26 <Kiba> apperantly, some people are real estate barons
1721 2010-11-28 21:25:28 <bencoder> but then, I'm a developer for a gambling website for my living, maybe i'm immune to that kinda thing
1722 2010-11-28 21:26:49 <mpcoinmara> what is a standard unit of porn in an MMO by which other units of porn should be measured
1723 2010-11-28 21:28:09 <bencoder> google gives me nothing :/
1724 2010-11-28 21:29:20 <mpcoinmara> unless you have bitcoin-paid pornstars, directors, editors, producers and distributers, you will not have quality bitcoin porn
1725 2010-11-28 21:33:04 <balboah> or work as an agregator, copy paste the best of it =)
1726 2010-11-28 21:33:29 <balboah> dont think you have to produce new porn, too much already
1727 2010-11-28 21:34:14 <balboah> bencoder: actually that's the part about second life I like the least
1728 2010-11-28 21:34:53 <balboah> bencoder: but I did sell a gambling ball that I created in it once :)
1729 2010-11-28 21:35:00 <balboah> perhaps I should make a new one for bitcoins in html
1730 2010-11-28 21:35:06 <bencoder> i didn't spend long enough in there to find much that interested me
1731 2010-11-28 21:35:22 <mpcoinmara> p2p torrent porn production
1732 2010-11-28 21:35:29 <balboah> I found the creation part fun, was easy to create objects and to script them to do stuff
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1734 2010-11-28 21:36:15 <balboah> like my floating eye that would float around to stalk and stare at people ;)
1735 2010-11-28 21:37:33 <ArtForz> it's a MUD. in 3d. hooray.
1736 2010-11-28 21:39:31 <Kiba> how should a GPU cluster box look like?
1737 2010-11-28 21:40:18 <ArtForz> dunno
1738 2010-11-28 21:40:27 <Kiba> porn all look the same...except the actress
1739 2010-11-28 21:40:42 * Kiba is drawing GPU boxes in his drawing
1740 2010-11-28 21:42:20 <ArtForz> my current GPU boxes look utterly uninteresting
1741 2010-11-28 21:43:05 <Kiba> I think GPU boxes should be sleek and emits a feeling of awesomeness
1742 2010-11-28 21:43:34 <Zarutian> "Go! Sportracers, go!"
1743 2010-11-28 21:43:52 <ArtForz> my current prototype looks more like really cheap furniture
1744 2010-11-28 21:44:05 <mpcoinmara> warm furniture
1745 2010-11-28 21:44:14 <ArtForz> probably because I built it from a few pieces of scrap particle board I had around
1746 2010-11-28 21:45:03 <Kiba> ArtForz: maybe heat would be better distributed with metals?
1747 2010-11-28 21:45:08 <ArtForz> sure
1748 2010-11-28 21:45:42 <ArtForz> but getting the cutouts in a metal backplate just right is a lot of work
1749 2010-11-28 21:45:59 <Kiba> laser cutters
1750 2010-11-28 21:46:24 <ArtForz> yeah, because everyone has a laser cutter or waterjet in his home shop :P
1751 2010-11-28 21:47:10 <Kiba> how about ordering one?
1752 2010-11-28 21:47:44 <mpcoinmara> with what? he hasn't built a box yet to order it on
1753 2010-11-28 21:47:51 <ArtForz> thats why you build a prototype, to know if you got the dimensions right
1754 2010-11-28 21:48:35 * Kiba prepare for running
1755 2010-11-28 21:48:47 <ArtForz> unless you want to order a custom cut plate just to realize you misplaced something by 0.1" or so
1756 2010-11-28 21:49:51 <Kiba> http://twitter.com/#!/inertia186/statuses/8997299346743297
1757 2010-11-28 21:50:12 * Kiba ponders if he is actuall changing the gender perception of Satoshi
1758 2010-11-28 21:50:36 <bencoder> hehe awesome
1759 2010-11-28 21:50:44 <Kiba> GENDER BENDING
1760 2010-11-28 21:51:26 <Kiba> ROF
1761 2010-11-28 21:51:26 <Kiba> L
1762 2010-11-28 21:52:06 <ArtForz> very basic 4x5970 design, done in about 3h: http://bayimg.com/KAAeaaAdp
1763 2010-11-28 21:54:40 <nanotube> whoa, some selling going on on mtgox, it seems
1764 2010-11-28 21:55:10 <mpcoinmara> what price
1765 2010-11-28 21:55:31 <Kiba> it's pushing the price down
1766 2010-11-28 21:55:31 <nanotube> .27
1767 2010-11-28 21:55:34 <Kiba> .28
1768 2010-11-28 21:55:38 <Kiba> err .27
1769 2010-11-28 21:55:43 <nanotube> mpcoinmara: join #bitcoin-market for live feed.
1770 2010-11-28 21:56:00 <Kiba> in 100 BTC interval
1771 2010-11-28 21:56:40 <theymos> I just rewrote http://blockexplorer.com/q/ . It is now much faster, certain results are more accurate, and the results are now guaranteed to be real-time.
1772 2010-11-28 21:56:51 <nanotube> ;;bc,stats
1773 2010-11-28 21:56:53 <gribble> Current Blocks: 94367 | Current Difficulty: 6866.89864897 | Next Difficulty At Block: 94751 | Next Difficulty In: 384 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 9 hours, 8 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 7691.51185092
1774 2010-11-28 21:56:57 <mpcoinmara> 100 BTC interval? what increments does the mad hatter sell his cards in
1775 2010-11-28 21:57:05 <tcatm> About 6000 BTC total in last 15 mins.
1776 2010-11-28 21:57:48 <Kiba> at least 1620 USD value
1777 2010-11-28 21:57:57 <Kiba> SERIOUS money
1778 2010-11-28 21:58:54 <Zarutian> theymos: nice
1779 2010-11-28 21:59:25 <bencoder> nyu! (cheers tcatm ;) )
1780 2010-11-28 21:59:29 <mpcoinmara> the mad hatter could just automate his arbitrage.... as someone pays bitcoins for his visa cards, he could just hit bids on mtgox
1781 2010-11-28 22:00:35 <theymos> nanotube: You could improve ;;bc,stats performance by caching duplicate requests to my pages. You currently get 3 getblockcounts, 3 nextretargets, 2 getdifficulties, and 2 estimates.
1782 2010-11-28 22:09:55 <bencoder> http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/
1783 2010-11-28 22:10:19 <nanotube> mpcoinmara: s/could/should/ even. good idea to prevent the market from moving on you between your buy and your sell.
1784 2010-11-28 22:10:39 <nanotube> theymos: i could... but that'd mean writing an actual python function, rather than just stuffing in an alias. :) maybe eventually. :)
1785 2010-11-28 22:12:08 <theymos> OK. I don't mind the extra queries -- it just makes the command slow.
1786 2010-11-28 22:12:38 <mpcoinmara> if madhatter did it that way, we could all see when transactions on his visa cards was happening because of the limitations on his card choices
1787 2010-11-28 22:12:59 <nanotube> theymos: yea it is a bit slow... one of these days i'll get to it. :)
1788 2010-11-28 22:12:59 <mpcoinmara> ...not transactions on the cards, but for the cards, i meant
1789 2010-11-28 22:14:02 <tcatm> would not be easy to discern them from other trades with equal volumes
1790 2010-11-28 22:14:29 <mpcoinmara> how many of those are there?
1791 2010-11-28 22:14:52 <nanotube> mpcoinmara: he could randomize them by doing 'tx + randomerrorterm' :)
1792 2010-11-28 22:14:56 <nanotube> if he really felt like it.
1793 2010-11-28 22:15:03 <mpcoinmara> don't even know what that is
1794 2010-11-28 22:15:21 <mpcoinmara> ok nm then
1795 2010-11-28 22:15:26 <nanotube> ;)
1796 2010-11-28 22:15:45 <mpcoinmara> tx + givempcoinmaramorecoins
1797 2010-11-28 22:16:02 <tcatm> Maybe I should write a trade explorer.
1798 2010-11-28 22:16:18 <nanotube> tcatm: what would it do?
1799 2010-11-28 22:17:04 <tcatm> Pretty print lasttrades.json ( http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1870.msg24395#msg24395 )
1800 2010-11-28 22:18:08 <tcatm> + some more arguments to WHERE (price/volume <, >, =, ..., market)
1801 2010-11-28 22:21:03 <mpcoinmara> who decides what info is being displayed in bitcoin-market?
1802 2010-11-28 22:21:20 <tcatm> Where?
1803 2010-11-28 22:21:27 <mpcoinmara> #bitcoin-market
1804 2010-11-28 22:21:56 <tcatm> The bot polls mtgox every few seconds and displays all new trades.
1805 2010-11-28 22:23:07 <tcatm> (Did anyone notice bitcoincharts is loading much faster today? :) )
1806 2010-11-28 22:23:10 <mpcoinmara> what info does mtgox release? the whole dark pool thing seems like a step in the wrong direction wrt transparency, but it seems like these channels keep them honest
1807 2010-11-28 22:23:33 <tcatm> timestamp, price, volume
1808 2010-11-28 22:24:04 <mpcoinmara> what info on the trade depth does it release?
1809 2010-11-28 22:24:22 <tcatm> The order book?
1810 2010-11-28 22:24:24 <mpcoinmara> order book depth
1811 2010-11-28 22:24:26 <mpcoinmara> yeah sorry
1812 2010-11-28 22:25:03 <tcatm> Same as is shown mtgox.com. Probably truncated.
1813 2010-11-28 22:25:09 <tcatm> +on
1814 2010-11-28 22:25:50 <mpcoinmara> so the 'dark pool' orders are only seen by mtgox?
1815 2010-11-28 22:26:08 <tcatm> Hm. I'll try something.
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1817 2010-11-28 22:26:33 <tcatm> Do you have enough money on mtgox to place a dark pool order?
1818 2010-11-28 22:26:50 <mpcoinmara> no
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1821 2010-11-28 22:29:44 <tcatm> mtgox realtime interface doesn't seem to work yet.
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1823 2010-11-28 22:31:04 <tcatm> Btw, has anyone ever successfully withdrawn LR from mtgox?
1824 2010-11-28 22:32:56 * Kiba finishes his barefoot run
1825 2010-11-28 22:36:17 <bencoder> tcatm: how about a more evil, bloody, head decapitating nyu with bitcoin picture? :P
1826 2010-11-28 22:37:37 <tcatm> Can't think of how to include a bitcoin in such a picture :)
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1828 2010-11-28 22:39:00 <bencoder> perhaps she could be holding it with some of her arms
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1831 2010-11-28 22:42:14 <tcatm> I really like the idea of a pay for download site like ubitious.
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1833 2010-11-28 22:43:38 * Kiba debates RHorning
1834 2010-11-28 22:43:47 <Kiba> RHorning don't get it man
1835 2010-11-28 22:45:51 <bencoder> i need an idea for a bitcoin project :(
1836 2010-11-28 22:47:01 <bencoder> i was just working on some merchant tools a few months back when a bunch of them showed up so i stopped. I guess i could carry on with that and attempt to compete
1837 2010-11-28 22:47:20 <tcatm> What kind of merchan tools?
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1839 2010-11-28 22:47:38 <bencoder> just easy to add button to sell stuff for bitcoins
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1841 2010-11-28 22:48:31 * Kiba new goal is to genderbending Satoshi
1842 2010-11-28 22:48:51 <Kiba> For the LULZ
1843 2010-11-28 22:49:52 <bencoder> how much commission do you get through ubitio.us?
1844 2010-11-28 22:49:58 <tcatm> bencoder: Make a bitcoin service directory.
1845 2010-11-28 22:50:01 <Kiba> a puny .01 BTC
1846 2010-11-28 22:50:04 <bencoder> :o
1847 2010-11-28 22:50:08 <bencoder> i can beat that :P
1848 2010-11-28 22:50:19 <Kiba> tcatm: don't we already have bitcoin directories?
1849 2010-11-28 22:50:30 <tcatm> Well, does anyone really use it?
1850 2010-11-28 22:51:05 <Kiba> let get everyone think Satoshi is a woman!
1851 2010-11-28 22:51:27 <Kiba> Interviewer: HOw does it feel to be the woman who invented bitcoin?
1852 2010-11-28 22:51:36 <Kiba> Satoshi: I am a man.
1853 2010-11-28 22:52:11 <Kiba> lulz
1854 2010-11-28 22:52:26 <bencoder> tcatm, my domain is pretty good for a bitcoin service directory... bitcoinservice.co.uk :P But there are some directories already and they are currently not used much, I don't know what I can add
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1856 2010-11-28 22:53:08 <Kiba> bencoder: bitcoin personal assistant
1857 2010-11-28 22:53:20 <tcatm> Decent descriptions, ratings, user comments.
1858 2010-11-28 22:53:56 <xelister_> crossbuilding bitcoind is a bit irritating
1859 2010-11-28 22:54:03 <xelister_> coz all the dependencie
1860 2010-11-28 22:54:20 <xelister_> funny, how so far boost (the biggest super-lib) seemed to have least trouble crossbuilding
1861 2010-11-28 22:54:23 <bencoder> hmm yeah i could work on something
1862 2010-11-28 22:56:05 <tcatm> Can you program in python/django?
1863 2010-11-28 22:57:01 <bencoder> python yes, django i don't have much experience with. worked in php a lot, now primarily Tcl for work
1864 2010-11-28 22:57:04 <xelister_> we could code auto updater
1865 2010-11-28 22:57:10 <xelister_> for bitcoind and miner etc
1866 2010-11-28 22:57:12 <andrew12> ruby on rails!
1867 2010-11-28 22:59:35 <Kiba> I am an inexperienced rails developer
1868 2010-11-28 22:59:47 <Kiba> newbie
1869 2010-11-28 23:00:17 <andrew12> I'm trying to figure out rails. I loove erb though.
1870 2010-11-28 23:00:30 <andrew12> and I haven't even used it :P
1871 2010-11-28 23:01:24 <tcatm> bitcoincharts was my first non-embedded-scripting project. I really like that way of coding. It's a bit sad tying it to a webserver isn't simple.
1872 2010-11-28 23:01:33 <andrew12> I like Sinatra because it's kind of like web.py
1873 2010-11-28 23:02:15 <andrew12> in that it's nothing more than a framework
1874 2010-11-28 23:02:23 <Kiba> I used erb to generate ruby code once
1875 2010-11-28 23:02:29 <andrew12> lol
1876 2010-11-28 23:02:38 <andrew12> using ruby to generate ruby code
1877 2010-11-28 23:02:39 <Kiba> now I used HAML and SASS
1878 2010-11-28 23:02:49 <andrew12> HAML and SASS are interesting
1879 2010-11-28 23:06:42 <genjix> bencoder: are you offering a bitcoin UK exchange? ;)
1880 2010-11-28 23:15:46 <bencoder> no, that'd be nice, but not enough bitcoins
1881 2010-11-28 23:15:50 <bencoder> or money
1882 2010-11-28 23:16:40 <andrew12> how many blocks are there now?
1883 2010-11-28 23:17:22 <theymos> ;;bc,blocks
1884 2010-11-28 23:17:23 <gribble> 94380
1885 2010-11-28 23:17:30 <andrew12> i've got quite a ways to go
1886 2010-11-28 23:18:03 <andrew12> I realized that I didn't have bitcoin set to generate, and it was trying to run through a nonexistant proxy
1887 2010-11-28 23:26:29 <genjix> how much is needed to setup a bitcoin exchange?
1888 2010-11-28 23:26:36 <genjix> $1k both sides?
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1892 2010-11-28 23:38:06 <dwdollar> genjix: It depends... If people are depositing to you, and you're matching orders, you shouldn't need any capital. If they are buying and selling directly with, you'll need some, but it doesn't need to be much if your exchange rate is continuously adjusting.
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1894 2010-11-28 23:50:16 <xelister_> huhuh
1895 2010-11-28 23:50:36 <xelister_> it seems that digger lolbama ordered to spy on most governments
1896 2010-11-28 23:50:53 <xelister_> usa spies on all countries apparently. ( wikileaks )
1897 2010-11-28 23:53:39 <xelister_> and now /someone/ DDoS wikileaks. Wonder, who. Probably not lolbama the noble price winner