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7 2010-12-04 00:20:48 * LobsterMan slaps mtgox around with a heavy metal pole
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10 2010-12-04 00:24:10 <kiba`> hmm
11 2010-12-04 00:25:50 <OneFixt> ;;bc,stats
12 2010-12-04 00:25:52 <gribble> Current Blocks: 95370 | Current Difficulty: 8078.19525793 | Next Difficulty At Block: 96767 | Next Difficulty In: 1397 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 12 hours, 1 minute, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 10447.51859068
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18 2010-12-04 00:34:36 * kiba` uploads a finished pencil sketch
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21 2010-12-04 00:38:34 <kiba`> wee!
22 2010-12-04 00:38:43 <kiba`> I see that people are starting to seed price estimation in bitcoins
23 2010-12-04 00:39:05 <LobsterMan> only when mtgox actually works
24 2010-12-04 00:39:05 <LobsterMan> <_<
25 2010-12-04 00:39:28 <LobsterMan> (which it does not at prezent...)
26 2010-12-04 00:39:32 <LobsterMan> present*
27 2010-12-04 00:40:34 <kiba`> to seed price estimation for YETS
28 2010-12-04 00:40:36 <kiba`> err
29 2010-12-04 00:40:45 <kiba`> bitcoin and yen price estimation are being seeded
30 2010-12-04 00:40:55 <kiba`> currently it seem that yen are worth less compared to bitcoins
31 2010-12-04 00:43:28 <genjix> who owns mtgox?
32 2010-12-04 00:45:55 <LobsterMan> mtgox <----
33 2010-12-04 00:46:07 <LobsterMan> /whois mtgox
34 2010-12-04 00:46:08 <LobsterMan> him
35 2010-12-04 00:47:42 <genjix> mtgox:
36 2010-12-04 00:47:45 <genjix> woo
37 2010-12-04 00:48:00 <genjix> hes not around very often huh
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41 2010-12-04 00:53:32 <bencoder> hah
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47 2010-12-04 00:58:03 <genjix> mtgox: hey
48 2010-12-04 01:01:54 <mtgox> hi genjix
49 2010-12-04 01:03:02 <genjix> I found out my bank offers me to .csv for checking my bank statement online
50 2010-12-04 01:03:06 <genjix> here in the UK
51 2010-12-04 01:03:24 <genjix> I'm thinking to setup a bitcoin exchange for £
52 2010-12-04 01:03:48 <genjix> is your site's sourcecode anywhere? Or you want to provide £?
53 2010-12-04 01:04:21 <genjix> through my bank that is... I wouldn't mind, although I'm not sure about cashing out £ (might have to be done manually for a fee)
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55 2010-12-04 01:05:04 <genjix> im working on a bitcoin project so it'd be nice to have £ working :)
56 2010-12-04 01:06:26 <xelister> Diablo-D3: :[ seriously your miner appears to loose some of solutions it finds
57 2010-12-04 01:07:21 <xelister> $ grep -C 20 of-work /home/bcsrv/.bitcoin/debug.log | egrep "hash:|generated"
58 2010-12-04 01:07:23 <xelister> hash: 000000000002d4a221e4db11686ac2c2c65728b43c23871cb8f7ac1eef113206
59 2010-12-04 01:07:24 <xelister> 12/02/10 22:58 generated 50.00
60 2010-12-04 01:07:26 <xelister> hash: 00000000000632b475ee055b109a43e7d79de990639e951e03d162dea95107ff
61 2010-12-04 01:07:27 <xelister> 12/03/10 06:57 generated 50.00
62 2010-12-04 01:07:58 <xelister> Started at Dec 3, 2010 2:13:02 PM
63 2010-12-04 01:07:59 <xelister> Block 1 found on Cypress at 6:42:46 PM
64 2010-12-04 01:08:01 <xelister> 505690 khash/secbc
65 2010-12-04 01:08:02 <xelister> Block 2 found on Cypress at 12:46:19 AM
66 2010-12-04 01:08:42 <xelister> the log was not rotated, since it shows work from 2010-12-02 22:58. it shows also block found at 2010-12-03 06:57
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68 2010-12-04 01:09:23 <xelister> your miner shows ANOTHER 2 blocks, taking into account start date: 2010-12-03 18:42 and 2010-12-04 00:46
69 2010-12-04 01:09:40 <xelister> so 2 blocks are discovered by miner, but are NOT received by bitcoin!!!!!! wtf???
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71 2010-12-04 01:10:18 <xelister> btw both programs suck cock for not showing datetime in each line like say dmesg and every sane log format do
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74 2010-12-04 01:11:06 <brocktice> gavinandresen: If I transferred all of my bitcoins that I do have into a new wallet and sent you my corrupted wallet.dat, would that be useful for development of a more robust reading routine?
75 2010-12-04 01:14:37 <xelister> if Diablo-D3's miner really lost half of my coins, Im going to rage ;) lol :?
76 2010-12-04 01:18:14 <gavinandresen> brocktice: yes
77 2010-12-04 01:19:35 <xelister> hmm and m0m's miner has 1/2 speed on 5970....
78 2010-12-04 01:19:59 <xelister> what do ou use to mine 5970
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81 2010-12-04 01:22:08 <[Noodles]> just start 2threads i guess
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83 2010-12-04 01:23:29 <xelister> [Noodles]: doesn't help
84 2010-12-04 01:24:20 <[Noodles]> huh? with different devices of course, should work
85 2010-12-04 01:24:45 <[Noodles]> i only have a 5850/5570 combo though
86 2010-12-04 01:24:48 <brocktice> gavinandresen: OK, I'll hop to it soon
87 2010-12-04 01:24:53 <brocktice> I'm trying a more recent wallet.dat
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89 2010-12-04 01:25:05 <brocktice> once that's down re-downloading all the blocks I'll pack it up.
90 2010-12-04 01:25:16 <brocktice> (after I take my coins out of course :)
91 2010-12-04 01:25:21 <Diablo-D3> [08:14:14] <xelister> if Diablo-D3's miner really lost half of my coins, Im going to rage ;) lol :?
92 2010-12-04 01:25:38 <brocktice> xelister: it what?
93 2010-12-04 01:25:41 <Diablo-D3> xelister: it doesnt lose anything.
94 2010-12-04 01:25:47 <brocktice> xelister: m0's miner does not have 1/2 speed on 5970
95 2010-12-04 01:25:59 <brocktice> oh that reminds me
96 2010-12-04 01:26:07 <xelister> brocktice:
97 2010-12-04 01:26:07 <brocktice> I need to clean up my patches and send him another pull request
98 2010-12-04 01:26:09 <xelister> 2010-12-04 02:21:12: 259.48 Mhash now 260.08 Mhash sess | mined 0 BTC
99 2010-12-04 01:26:10 <xelister> 2010-12-04 02:21:13: 246.45 Mhash now 259.93 Mhash sess | mined 0 BTC
100 2010-12-04 01:26:12 <xelister> 2010-12-04 02:21:14: 253.69 Mhash now 259.87 Mhash sess | mined 0 BTC
101 2010-12-04 01:26:15 <Diablo-D3> xelister: now, here is the major hurdle of yours
102 2010-12-04 01:26:20 <brocktice> xelister: did you turn off crossfire?
103 2010-12-04 01:26:22 <Diablo-D3> you have to prove it.
104 2010-12-04 01:26:25 <xelister> ^-- m0m's with both 2.1 and 2.2 SDK
105 2010-12-04 01:26:28 <Diablo-D3> no one else has this problem
106 2010-12-04 01:26:30 <Diablo-D3> just you.
107 2010-12-04 01:26:56 <brocktice> as a counterexample I offer this:
108 2010-12-04 01:26:57 <brocktice> 2010-12-03 19:26:38 INFO Device[2]: 349529 khash/s
109 2010-12-04 01:26:58 <brocktice> 2010-12-03 19:26:45 INFO Device[3]: 367865 khash/s
110 2010-12-04 01:26:58 <brocktice> 2010-12-03 19:26:45 INFO Device[0]: 358615 khash/s
111 2010-12-04 01:26:58 <brocktice> 2010-12-03 19:26:45 INFO Device[1]: 367890 khash/s
112 2010-12-04 01:26:59 <xelister> how to check crossfire mode?
113 2010-12-04 01:27:06 <brocktice> aticonfig --lscc
114 2010-12-04 01:27:10 <gavinandresen> brocktice: great, I'll let you know what I find. I might tweak bitcointools to do wallet recovery, too....
115 2010-12-04 01:27:21 <xelister> brocktice: hey you also patched m0m's to continously print stats? :)
116 2010-12-04 01:27:34 <brocktice> xelister: I've made substantial changes
117 2010-12-04 01:27:59 <brocktice> he's going to integrate them after I do a little more cleanup
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119 2010-12-04 01:28:02 <brocktice> I'll do that now
120 2010-12-04 01:28:02 <xelister> aticonfig --lscc
121 2010-12-04 01:28:03 <xelister> Master adapter: 0. 03:00.0 ATI Radeon HD 5900 Series
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123 2010-12-04 01:28:05 <xelister> Candidates: 1. 04:00.0 ATI Radeon HD 5900 Series
124 2010-12-04 01:28:07 <brocktice> in the interim: https://github.com/brocktice/poclbm
125 2010-12-04 01:28:10 <xelister> is this correct? I already once did disabling
126 2010-12-04 01:28:18 <brocktice> oh wait
127 2010-12-04 01:28:20 <brocktice> lsch sorry
128 2010-12-04 01:28:25 <brocktice> lscc = candidates
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130 2010-12-04 01:28:27 <Diablo-D3> xelister: btw
131 2010-12-04 01:28:30 <Diablo-D3> as a side note
132 2010-12-04 01:28:36 <xelister> brocktice: please also print currently mined blocks (at least in this session) ok ?
133 2010-12-04 01:28:38 <Diablo-D3> CROSS FIRE WILL FUCK UP EXACTLY HALF OF YOUR BLOCKS
134 2010-12-04 01:28:46 <Diablo-D3> I am saying this loud as possible
135 2010-12-04 01:28:48 <xelister> hm
136 2010-12-04 01:28:49 <brocktice> xelister: it does print currently mined blocks
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138 2010-12-04 01:28:57 <Kiba> yo folks
139 2010-12-04 01:28:58 <Diablo-D3> unless you have 4 cards
140 2010-12-04 01:29:03 <brocktice> xelister: not only that, if you use my daemon and configure your email settings correctly, it will EMAIL YOU
141 2010-12-04 01:29:04 <Diablo-D3> then it will fuck up 3/4th of your blocks
142 2010-12-04 01:29:07 <xelister> brocktice: like "0 blocks mined"? it hides for 0?
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144 2010-12-04 01:29:13 <brocktice> huh?
145 2010-12-04 01:29:16 <brocktice> Device[3] found a block with output: 992343872. Matures at block 95503.
146 2010-12-04 01:29:18 <xelister> no
147 2010-12-04 01:29:20 <xelister> like:
148 2010-12-04 01:29:21 <brocktice> You'll get that in an email
149 2010-12-04 01:29:27 <brocktice> oh, you mean like a running total?
150 2010-12-04 01:29:33 <xelister> 2010-12-03 19:26:45 INFO Device[1]: 367890 khash/s (3 blocks mined in this session)
151 2010-12-04 01:29:34 <Diablo-D3> xelister: use the test net.
152 2010-12-04 01:29:35 <brocktice> I actually abstracted the miner into a python class
153 2010-12-04 01:29:40 <brocktice> you could easily do that
154 2010-12-04 01:29:41 <Diablo-D3> xelister: I am ordering you to do what I tell you
155 2010-12-04 01:29:42 <brocktice> or I could add it later
156 2010-12-04 01:29:44 <Diablo-D3> xelister: use. the. test. net.
157 2010-12-04 01:29:50 <xelister> ok
158 2010-12-04 01:29:52 <Diablo-D3> use it, the testnet you shall
159 2010-12-04 01:29:56 * xelister disconnects from skynet
160 2010-12-04 01:30:00 * xelister runs testnet
161 2010-12-04 01:30:02 <brocktice> with my class this is all it takes to mine: https://github.com/brocktice/poclbm/blob/master/test_bitcoinminer.py
162 2010-12-04 01:30:17 <Diablo-D3> xelister: gen about 50 blocks
163 2010-12-04 01:30:38 <Diablo-D3> if the miner is working properly, maybe 1 or 2 will miss
164 2010-12-04 01:31:06 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: he really needs to fix his hashrate first anyway
165 2010-12-04 01:31:06 <Diablo-D3> if you're using my miner wrong, it will lose half or more.
166 2010-12-04 01:31:43 <xelister> Diablo-D3: btw
167 2010-12-04 01:31:52 <xelister> why your miner is gayified
168 2010-12-04 01:32:09 <xelister> it prints that idiotic format of dates that americans invented
169 2010-12-04 01:32:20 * brocktice puts on the brain bucket and digs in
170 2010-12-04 01:32:26 <Diablo-D3> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8cNHCP3juQ
171 2010-12-04 01:32:32 <Diablo-D3> what the fuck am I watching
172 2010-12-04 01:32:37 <Diablo-D3> xelister: it prints your environment default
173 2010-12-04 01:32:41 <xelister> I will pay right now 10 BTC to have the miner degeyified for the retarded mm/dd/yy shit format
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175 2010-12-04 01:32:42 <brocktice> You know, actually, it's not cool to use 'gay' as a synonym for 'bad'
176 2010-12-04 01:32:52 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: its very gay to do it
177 2010-12-04 01:32:59 <xelister> Diablo-D3: it should just print in yyyy-mm-dd as white people do
178 2010-12-04 01:33:11 <Diablo-D3> xelister: THEN CHANGE YOUR FUCKING LOCALE YOU FUCKTARD
179 2010-12-04 01:33:14 <xelister> btw, both above insults are just joke ;)
180 2010-12-04 01:33:14 <Diablo-D3> pay attention
181 2010-12-04 01:33:19 <Kiba> yo folks
182 2010-12-04 01:33:25 * Diablo-D3 just beats xelister with a crowbar
183 2010-12-04 01:33:27 <xelister> Diablo-D3: it should ignore locale
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185 2010-12-04 01:33:37 * xelister instals windows7 on Diablo-D3's desktop
186 2010-12-04 01:33:51 * Diablo-D3 installs his dick in xelister's mom
187 2010-12-04 01:34:00 <xelister> hey, no mom jokes!
188 2010-12-04 01:34:08 * xelister pays 5 BTC Diablo-D3's sister to use webcamz
189 2010-12-04 01:34:16 <xelister> now, it is polite again <)<
190 2010-12-04 01:34:29 <xelister> >_>
191 2010-12-04 01:35:37 <xelister> why doenst the miners verify the solution...
192 2010-12-04 01:35:41 <xelister> it should like
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194 2010-12-04 01:36:13 <Diablo-D3> holy shit peter falk is still alive?
195 2010-12-04 01:36:29 <xelister> print yyyy-mm-dd hh:mm:ss when block was found. Then verify it by hand calculating hash and report success/failure. Then also say (with same timestamp) when RPC of putwork finished
196 2010-12-04 01:36:33 <brocktice> xelister: if it were to be really sophisticated, sure, it might check the debug.log for proof of work or something.
197 2010-12-04 01:36:40 <Kiba> rumor of my death is greatly exaggerated
198 2010-12-04 01:36:41 <brocktice> xelister: feel free to give me a patch
199 2010-12-04 01:36:44 <Diablo-D3> xelister: look at the code very carefully
200 2010-12-04 01:36:53 <Diablo-D3> xelister: mine already verifies the entire attempt
201 2010-12-04 01:37:11 <xelister> so how it could be possible the (due to crossfire or smth) invalid soolution is 'found'
202 2010-12-04 01:37:22 <xelister> perhaps the RPC to send the solution back fails
203 2010-12-04 01:37:31 <xelister> it should say when this VERY IMPORTANT rpc finishes
204 2010-12-04 01:38:05 <Diablo-D3> yes if crossfire is on, half your solutions will be wrong
205 2010-12-04 01:38:09 <xelister> *** CrossFire chain for adapter 0, status: disabled ***
206 2010-12-04 01:38:12 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: they will?
207 2010-12-04 01:38:18 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: yes
208 2010-12-04 01:38:29 <xelister> Diablo-D3: and console did not say anything about wrong solution. and anyway xfire is disabled
209 2010-12-04 01:38:34 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: the problem is
210 2010-12-04 01:38:39 <xelister> so apparently your miner DOES loose the solutions!
211 2010-12-04 01:38:40 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: my miner will just attempt them and fail
212 2010-12-04 01:38:53 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: the user is never notified that a block is found
213 2010-12-04 01:39:10 <brocktice> then that's not his problem
214 2010-12-04 01:39:14 <brocktice> because he's notified
215 2010-12-04 01:39:18 <Diablo-D3> hrm
216 2010-12-04 01:39:22 <xelister> Diablo-D3: ok so look at my log above. miner reports 2 new blocks, and debug.log shows 0 new such blocks found (only shows 2 older blocks). so....????
217 2010-12-04 01:39:29 <Diablo-D3> I wonder if I should double check if H still == 0
218 2010-12-04 01:39:32 <Diablo-D3> because if it doesnt
219 2010-12-04 01:39:36 <Diablo-D3> then theres a fucking problem
220 2010-12-04 01:39:41 <Diablo-D3> and to clarify
221 2010-12-04 01:39:44 <xelister> comparing your miner output + debug.log means that your miner somehow didnt report the work to bitcoind yes?
222 2010-12-04 01:39:46 <Diablo-D3> the fucking problem is in the end user hardware
223 2010-12-04 01:39:57 <Diablo-D3> xelister: no.
224 2010-12-04 01:40:45 <xelister> Diablo-D3: can you then explain why your miner shows 2 new blocks found, and debug.log of bitcoind show NO (new) blocks discovered?
225 2010-12-04 01:41:10 <xelister> overall in last week, with your miner, it seems I got less coinst then expected on 5970 :{
226 2010-12-04 01:41:12 <brocktice> mmkay pull request sent to m0mchil
227 2010-12-04 01:41:18 <brocktice> xelister: that doesn't mean much
228 2010-12-04 01:41:21 <Diablo-D3> xelister: because no one cares about debug.log?
229 2010-12-04 01:41:29 <brocktice> xelister: especially when you're only getting half the damn hashrate you should
230 2010-12-04 01:41:37 <Diablo-D3> yeah what brock said
231 2010-12-04 01:41:40 <Diablo-D3> your shit is broke
232 2010-12-04 01:41:42 <Diablo-D3> I dont know why
233 2010-12-04 01:41:46 <xelister> Diablo-D3: also in fact the bitcoin (gui client) shows that very little coins where mined
234 2010-12-04 01:42:23 <Kiba> http://www.bitcoinservice.co.uk/files/16
235 2010-12-04 01:42:26 <Kiba> finished line art
236 2010-12-04 01:42:28 <xelister> Diablo-D3: your miner shows mined coins, and bitcoin both debug.log and GUI both say many of this 'mined' coins are totally missing, as if they where never reproted back to bitcoind
237 2010-12-04 01:42:30 <Diablo-D3> xelister: then you have broken shit on your system
238 2010-12-04 01:42:32 <Kiba> CLEANING AND COLORING next phrase
239 2010-12-04 01:42:37 <Diablo-D3> xelister: are you still using that fucking beta ubuntu driver?
240 2010-12-04 01:42:53 <Kiba> I learned two important shit:
241 2010-12-04 01:43:04 <xelister> Diablo-D3: yea, but what does it have to do with anything? once your miner reports a block found, it must report it via RPC right? well it does not
242 2010-12-04 01:43:05 <Kiba> 1. Don't scan at absolutely ridiclious high resolution
243 2010-12-04 01:43:27 <xelister> and it seems not a GPU related problem, but RPC problem, so more likelly RPC problem in the miner (or bitcoind)?
244 2010-12-04 01:43:36 <Kiba> 2. Don't upload a file to bitcoinservice.co.uk unless you want to pay for your own shit
245 2010-12-04 01:43:37 <Diablo-D3> xelister: because I probably need to add more paranoid code to fix your system
246 2010-12-04 01:43:39 <Diablo-D3> and your system specifically
247 2010-12-04 01:43:41 <Diablo-D3> it should go
248 2010-12-04 01:43:53 <Diablo-D3> "HEY THIS DOESNT PRODUCE H==0, I QUIT, FIX YOUR SHIT"
249 2010-12-04 01:44:06 <xelister> you said you do fully verify the code?
250 2010-12-04 01:44:07 <xelister> the hash
251 2010-12-04 01:44:23 <Diablo-D3> no
252 2010-12-04 01:44:25 <Diablo-D3> I fully do the hash
253 2010-12-04 01:44:30 <Diablo-D3> from the original header
254 2010-12-04 01:44:46 <xelister> well can you push now code to print 1) full hash that is found 2) start of RPC to report it 3) end of this RPC (all with dates) then I can leave it overmnight
255 2010-12-04 01:44:48 <xelister> overnight
256 2010-12-04 01:45:26 <Diablo-D3> xelister: there is no start and end.
257 2010-12-04 01:45:32 <Diablo-D3> it happens instantly
258 2010-12-04 01:45:57 <xelister> if it would fail or get stalled for some reason, your code is printing it?
259 2010-12-04 01:45:59 <genjix> Kiba: did you hear that bruce wagner talk
260 2010-12-04 01:46:06 <Kiba> COMPLETELY
261 2010-12-04 01:46:15 <genjix> Kiba: i dont want to waste the time, energy, money to pay to see something
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263 2010-12-04 01:46:17 <genjix> :p
264 2010-12-04 01:46:20 <Diablo-D3> xelister: if it fails then it will print an ERROR: shit: json line
265 2010-12-04 01:46:30 <genjix> Kiba: but then ill tip if its worthwhile.
266 2010-12-04 01:46:35 <Diablo-D3> xelister: it it stalls, then that code you asked me to add that fixes a stalled executor thread actually cleans it up
267 2010-12-04 01:46:39 <Diablo-D3> xelister: somewhat unintentionally so
268 2010-12-04 01:46:42 <Kiba> genjix: blame bencoder, not me!
269 2010-12-04 01:46:51 <genjix> ah l
270 2010-12-04 01:46:52 <brocktice> xelister: here is what you need to do
271 2010-12-04 01:46:52 <genjix> k
272 2010-12-04 01:46:58 <brocktice> xelister: sort out your hashrate first
273 2010-12-04 01:47:03 <Kiba> bencoder still have not yet provide a PREVIEW
274 2010-12-04 01:47:04 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: he needs to stop using ubuntu's beta of 10.9
275 2010-12-04 01:47:07 <Kiba> so did hippich
276 2010-12-04 01:47:10 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: that might help
277 2010-12-04 01:47:10 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: I suspect it breaks opencl
278 2010-12-04 01:47:17 <Diablo-D3> although I am adding one bit of code
279 2010-12-04 01:47:21 <brocktice> 10.10 seems to work just great
280 2010-12-04 01:47:21 <Kiba> but ya know..if you have two downloading service..competition is still HALF ASS slow
281 2010-12-04 01:47:22 <Diablo-D3> double check if h still == 0
282 2010-12-04 01:47:31 <brocktice> I use 10.10 from the ATI/AMD site
283 2010-12-04 01:47:37 <Diablo-D3> because if g < target and h != 0, the driver/hardware is broken
284 2010-12-04 01:47:38 <brocktice> build the .debs for my Ubuntu version
285 2010-12-04 01:47:45 <genjix> "We take just 10% or 0.01bitcoins from your balance when you withdraw."
286 2010-12-04 01:47:58 <genjix> "We take just 10%"
287 2010-12-04 01:48:02 <genjix> "just 10%"
288 2010-12-04 01:48:04 <Kiba> genjix: lot better than...HIppich 50% commision fee
289 2010-12-04 01:48:07 <Diablo-D3> >10%
290 2010-12-04 01:48:11 <Diablo-D3> FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFf.jpg
291 2010-12-04 01:48:34 <Kiba> when it come to making dough, bencoder's site is a lot better
292 2010-12-04 01:49:02 <genjix> 10% is huge
293 2010-12-04 01:49:04 <Kiba> I would need like 50 downloaders if I want to make as much as money
294 2010-12-04 01:49:08 <Kiba> in ubitious
295 2010-12-04 01:49:08 <genjix> shuld be 2% :p
296 2010-12-04 01:49:13 <Kiba> genjix: better than 50%
297 2010-12-04 01:49:31 <Kiba> ubitious is a RIP off.
298 2010-12-04 01:49:36 <Kiba> and their files expire
299 2010-12-04 01:49:53 <xelister> brocktice: I get 530M on diablos, hashrate is ok
300 2010-12-04 01:50:11 <xelister> Diablo-D3: can you just add the extra checks for "gpu produces shitty hashes" thing
301 2010-12-04 01:50:21 <xelister> yes.
302 2010-12-04 01:50:22 <Diablo-D3> xelister: I just said that you idiot
303 2010-12-04 01:50:24 <xelister> SHIT IT BROKEN AS SHIT
304 2010-12-04 01:50:26 <xelister> SHIIIIT
305 2010-12-04 01:50:37 <xelister> testnet shows it, compare (in same time period of around 1 minute)
306 2010-12-04 01:50:42 <Diablo-D3> if the gpu miner says a combination produces H == 0, and it doesnt, then your shits broken
307 2010-12-04 01:50:47 <xelister> hash: 000000000b914ff44bb44954d5d790650e8fb4a11677fb699c580917030c813b
308 2010-12-04 01:50:49 <xelister> hash: 000000001fcb362bc6288c9b3e55447f3e49d2fc47a988e0fb4b112076f7501a
309 2010-12-04 01:50:50 <xelister> hash: 000000002d5d1f7b4234e3e82be0fa08e0f1474454fa00aa6e5892b6b469471e
310 2010-12-04 01:50:52 <xelister> hash: 0000000011b2caf022c5c544d08a59b0d1d5dbe3196a72c379de023305cdad6e
311 2010-12-04 01:51:00 <xelister> Block 10 found on Cypress at 2:48:52 AM
312 2010-12-04 01:51:02 <xelister> Block 11 found on Cypress at 2:49:04 AM
313 2010-12-04 01:51:03 <xelister> Block 12 found on Cypress at 2:49:14 AM
314 2010-12-04 01:51:05 <xelister> Block 13 found on Cypress at 2:49:45 AM
315 2010-12-04 01:51:06 <xelister> Block 14 found on Cypress at 2:49:47 AM
316 2010-12-04 01:51:08 <xelister> Block 15 found on Cypress at 2:49:52 AM
317 2010-12-04 01:51:09 <xelister> Block 16 found on Cypress at 2:49:53 AM
318 2010-12-04 01:51:11 <xelister> Block 17 found on Cypress at 2:49:55 AM
319 2010-12-04 01:51:12 <xelister> Block 18 found on Cypress at 2:50:00 AM
320 2010-12-04 01:51:14 <xelister> Block 19 found on Cypress at 2:50:05 AM
321 2010-12-04 01:51:15 <xelister> Block 20 found on Cypress at 2:50:13 AM
322 2010-12-04 01:51:17 <xelister> 10 blocks found by miner, 4 actually received by the bitcoind
323 2010-12-04 01:51:21 <xelister> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck I was mining at half speed last week+ :[
324 2010-12-04 01:51:39 <Diablo-D3> xelister: so, it sounds like crossfire is on
325 2010-12-04 01:51:44 <Diablo-D3> or you're not using 10.10 or newer
326 2010-12-04 01:52:37 <xelister> Diablo-D3: it is offff as I pasted
327 2010-12-04 01:52:56 <xelister> Diablo-D3: ok so what code add/where to check fully the hashes
328 2010-12-04 01:53:08 <Diablo-D3> I'll do it myself, wait a fucking second
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331 2010-12-04 01:53:25 <Diablo-D3> I was busy watching the full trailer for the new back to the future game
332 2010-12-04 01:53:42 <Diablo-D3> because when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, we're going to see some serious shit
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334 2010-12-04 01:59:10 <Diablo-D3> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMiF8Ua1EMs
335 2010-12-04 01:59:15 <Diablo-D3> now that is some serious shit
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338 2010-12-04 02:02:00 <xelister> anyway bitcoind logging could be better... it appears to not log the putwork RPC calls
339 2010-12-04 02:06:24 <xelister> I cant belived I lost like 300 BTC on this miner/driver/whatever bug
340 2010-12-04 02:06:55 <CIA-87> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * rd6ed14e / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java :
341 2010-12-04 02:06:55 <CIA-87> DiabloMiner: Added code to double check if H remains equal to 0, or if hardware
342 2010-12-04 02:06:55 <CIA-87> DiabloMiner: reported an invalid combination - http://bit.ly/gEYzG0
343 2010-12-04 02:07:14 <xelister> this is probably the biggest financiall *direct* from software bug :) affecting me
344 2010-12-04 02:07:15 <Diablo-D3> xelister: I already told you about two dozen times not to use the ubuntu beta driver
345 2010-12-04 02:07:25 <Diablo-D3> so this is 120% user error
346 2010-12-04 02:07:29 <Diablo-D3> you were told not to do it
347 2010-12-04 02:07:30 <Diablo-D3> and you did
348 2010-12-04 02:07:43 <xelister> then this is ubuntu's bug, if this is true
349 2010-12-04 02:08:19 <xelister> its not a dedicated mining box. Not user's fault, if he simply uses the latest software. I already took extra steps to use older SDK as you recommneded (2.1)
350 2010-12-04 02:08:40 <brocktice> ;;bc,blocks
351 2010-12-04 02:08:41 <gribble> 95392
352 2010-12-04 02:08:46 <brocktice> huh that's strange
353 2010-12-04 02:08:50 <brocktice> bitcoinwatch is behind by 1?
354 2010-12-04 02:09:13 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: bitcoinwatch probably forgot the first block is 0
355 2010-12-04 02:09:22 <Diablo-D3> and either dumbly tried to fix it, or forgot to add 1
356 2010-12-04 02:09:23 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: wouldn't that be the other way around
357 2010-12-04 02:09:39 <brocktice> the client and gribble both say it's 95392
358 2010-12-04 02:09:42 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: depends what the client says
359 2010-12-04 02:10:17 <Diablo-D3> xelister: and its the user's fault for using ubuntu
360 2010-12-04 02:12:31 <doublec> ;;bc,calc 85000
361 2010-12-04 02:12:31 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 85000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 4 days, 17 hours, 23 minutes, and 3 seconds
362 2010-12-04 02:12:57 <xelister> shitty ubuntu.
363 2010-12-04 02:13:48 <Diablo-D3> YES
364 2010-12-04 02:13:51 <Diablo-D3> UBUNTU IS SHITTY
365 2010-12-04 02:13:59 <Diablo-D3> I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS
366 2010-12-04 02:14:05 <Diablo-D3> WHY THE FUCK DOES NO ONE LISTEN
367 2010-12-04 02:14:08 <Diablo-D3> UBUNTU
368 2010-12-04 02:14:08 <Diablo-D3> IS
369 2010-12-04 02:14:09 <Diablo-D3> SHIT
370 2010-12-04 02:14:11 <Diablo-D3> IT IS SHIT
371 2010-12-04 02:14:19 <ColonelPanic1> why
372 2010-12-04 02:14:43 <doublec> Diablo-D3, what's your preferred distro? Debian?
373 2010-12-04 02:14:44 <Diablo-D3> IT IS MATHEMATICALLY PROVED, USING COMPLEX MATH THAT TAKES MULTIPLE PHDS TO UNDERSTAND, THAT UBUNTU IS EQUAL TO SHIT
374 2010-12-04 02:14:50 <Diablo-D3> doublec: YES
375 2010-12-04 02:14:51 <Diablo-D3> er, yes
376 2010-12-04 02:14:53 <ColonelPanic1> I have 11 phds
377 2010-12-04 02:15:09 <brocktice> gavinandresen: where should I send that wallet.dat?
378 2010-12-04 02:15:27 <brocktice> gavinandresen: by the way, there's a financial incentive, I think there are 100-200 coins attached to an address in that wallet. :)
379 2010-12-04 02:15:45 <Diablo-D3> xelister: so, I added the fucking code
380 2010-12-04 02:15:50 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: I only have one PhD, that must be why I don't understand the problem.
381 2010-12-04 02:15:55 <xelister> Diablo-D3: good shit \o/
382 2010-12-04 02:16:09 <xelister> Diablo-D3: PEOPLE USE UBUNTU because it is user friendly
383 2010-12-04 02:16:17 <xelister> last time I tried to use debian it offered me following things
384 2010-12-04 02:16:26 <brocktice> Because much as I have loved debian ubuntu is sure quicker to get up and running as a functional desktop
385 2010-12-04 02:16:30 <ColonelPanic1> the only things I use on ubuntu are gedit, nano, ssh, and gcc
386 2010-12-04 02:16:31 <xelister> - anall rape in exchange of installing needed hardware drivers
387 2010-12-04 02:16:37 <brocktice> If I want to spend a ton of time setting up my system I'll use gentoo.
388 2010-12-04 02:16:45 <Diablo-D3> xelister: no its not
389 2010-12-04 02:16:47 <xelister> - sucking dick of rms to prise open only drivers. I kindly refused
390 2010-12-04 02:17:02 <Diablo-D3> having to clean up their fucking problems is NOT user friendly
391 2010-12-04 02:17:06 <Diablo-D3> I dont have this fucking shit on debian
392 2010-12-04 02:17:06 <xelister> - 6-18 months old software, when I needed at least 6 month old lib boost.
393 2010-12-04 02:17:09 <ColonelPanic1> xelister: yeah, what happened to choice and free will, man
394 2010-12-04 02:17:09 <xelister> - 12-18 months old software, when I needed at least 6 month old lib boost.
395 2010-12-04 02:17:15 <Diablo-D3> btw no
396 2010-12-04 02:17:18 <Diablo-D3> libboost is a very special case
397 2010-12-04 02:17:29 <Diablo-D3> its coded so badly that each version is tied to a specific version of gcc
398 2010-12-04 02:17:30 <brocktice> Ubuntu releases every what, 6 months?
399 2010-12-04 02:17:36 <brocktice> Debian every 6 years?
400 2010-12-04 02:17:39 <xelister> how it is coded badly
401 2010-12-04 02:17:45 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: debian uses rolling releases for sid
402 2010-12-04 02:17:47 <xelister> lib boost is most amazingly coded library for c++
403 2010-12-04 02:17:53 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: oh, well, that's good at least
404 2010-12-04 02:17:54 <Diablo-D3> and testing is no older than 6 months, its usually brand new
405 2010-12-04 02:17:58 <xelister> since it is written by the most advnaced c++ developers
406 2010-12-04 02:18:00 <Diablo-D3> xelister: no its not
407 2010-12-04 02:18:03 <Diablo-D3> boost is shit
408 2010-12-04 02:18:05 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: I think when I was using, what, sarge, it was very very behind
409 2010-12-04 02:18:14 <xelister> boost > every-lib in c++ world
410 2010-12-04 02:18:18 <Diablo-D3> if you dont match the libc and gcc versions exactly, which are _undocumented_, your boost apps will fail in strange ways
411 2010-12-04 02:18:28 <doublec> mint debian uses rolling releases too
412 2010-12-04 02:18:30 <Diablo-D3> so the version of boost on debian is exactly the correct one
413 2010-12-04 02:18:36 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: dont use stable
414 2010-12-04 02:18:45 <brocktice> One of the things I liked about gentoo was that it was basically a rolling release
415 2010-12-04 02:18:49 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: stable in debian predates the modern definition of stable
416 2010-12-04 02:18:51 <xelister> Diablo-D3: really? well that is strange... I hope boost guys fixed that
417 2010-12-04 02:18:55 <xelister> Diablo-D3: but look at this
418 2010-12-04 02:18:56 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: I tried using testing but had a bunch of problems.
419 2010-12-04 02:18:58 <xelister> I get a random laptop
420 2010-12-04 02:19:01 <Kiba> none of the GIMP tutorial are actually worth anything
421 2010-12-04 02:19:01 <brocktice> But that was years ago now
422 2010-12-04 02:19:04 <xelister> pop in an linux install cd
423 2010-12-04 02:19:05 <xelister> 1) ubuntu
424 2010-12-04 02:19:07 <xelister> 2) debian
425 2010-12-04 02:19:08 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: debian testing == everybody else's stable
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427 2010-12-04 02:19:12 <Kiba> cleaning lineart when their is already sqqqquuuuuueaky clean
428 2010-12-04 02:19:15 <xelister> 1 -> 90-100% of hardware Just Works
429 2010-12-04 02:19:15 <brocktice> I really liked debian netinstall
430 2010-12-04 02:19:19 <xelister> 2) debian.....
431 2010-12-04 02:19:22 <xelister> what then?
432 2010-12-04 02:19:24 <Kiba> how about cleaning up something MEEEssed up
433 2010-12-04 02:19:28 <brocktice> You can install all of debian with an internet connection and a biz card CDROM
434 2010-12-04 02:19:29 <Diablo-D3> on debian, 90-100% of hardware works
435 2010-12-04 02:19:30 <Diablo-D3> because
436 2010-12-04 02:19:32 <Diablo-D3> ITS A KERNEL ISSUE
437 2010-12-04 02:19:36 <xelister> not just
438 2010-12-04 02:19:53 <xelister> Diablo-D3: I pop in debian cd, install. How to have the normal (closed) radeon (flgrx) driver?
439 2010-12-04 02:19:54 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: I dont like the biz card versions, they cut too much out
440 2010-12-04 02:20:12 <xelister> will I again have to manually download shit and build kernel and/or build drivers from sources (on each kernel update too) etc?
441 2010-12-04 02:20:13 <Diablo-D3> xelister: add the non-free repo, then install it.
442 2010-12-04 02:20:33 <Diablo-D3> xelister: or wait about another year, and AMD is going to discontinue fglrx anyhow
443 2010-12-04 02:20:41 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: Well, it's just netinstall.
444 2010-12-04 02:20:47 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: just enough to let you pull down the full installer
445 2010-12-04 02:20:52 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: or are they not doing that anymore?
446 2010-12-04 02:21:00 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: no, the netinst disc is different
447 2010-12-04 02:21:03 <xelister> Diablo-D3: please also print the hash on each found ok?
448 2010-12-04 02:21:04 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: the biz card is even smaller
449 2010-12-04 02:21:21 <Diablo-D3> xelister: why? the hash will be endian swapped
450 2010-12-04 02:21:28 <xelister> to debug more
451 2010-12-04 02:21:42 <xelister> now I have no idea how to check, what block was supposedly generated
452 2010-12-04 02:21:47 <xelister> which exactly block
453 2010-12-04 02:21:50 <Diablo-D3> xelister: check the time logs.
454 2010-12-04 02:21:57 <Diablo-D3> mine match exactly to what the UI says
455 2010-12-04 02:22:10 <xelister> well, on this box half match and half just goes *poof*
456 2010-12-04 02:22:18 <Diablo-D3> yes, try it with my new shit
457 2010-12-04 02:22:19 <xelister> with hash I could search more I guess in logs or blockexplorer
458 2010-12-04 02:22:27 <xelister> yes I seen the warning about broken hash...
459 2010-12-04 02:22:32 <xelister> well ok lets try it
460 2010-12-04 02:22:37 <Diablo-D3> tell me if it triggers
461 2010-12-04 02:22:51 <xelister> but it would be even better, if it would with an option check every Nth hash FULLY
462 2010-12-04 02:23:12 <Diablo-D3> xelister: no, it checks EVERY hash fully
463 2010-12-04 02:23:13 <Diablo-D3> look at the code
464 2010-12-04 02:23:20 <Diablo-D3> it takes the actual header and and hashes it
465 2010-12-04 02:23:21 <xelister> like each 100th hash calculate both in GPU and in software (no matter if its the winning hash).... or is that not possible since entire loop of nonces runs inside GPU onky?
466 2010-12-04 02:23:23 <Diablo-D3> the whole thing
467 2010-12-04 02:23:45 <Diablo-D3> xelister: you cant do it your way without actually running it in test mode
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469 2010-12-04 02:23:55 <theymos> xelister: If you're using the Bitcoin GUI, you can run with -debug to get hashes for your transactions.
470 2010-12-04 02:24:26 <Diablo-D3> theymos: yeah, but he is using a broken version of fglrx and wont fix it
471 2010-12-04 02:24:31 <Diablo-D3> theymos: so everything he says is wrong
472 2010-12-04 02:24:59 <StrangeCharm> gavinandresen, can you put it in a faq somewhere?
473 2010-12-04 02:25:20 <StrangeCharm> or, at least, note it in the api/conf file wiki page?
474 2010-12-04 02:26:46 <xelister> theymos: allagedy
475 2010-12-04 02:26:49 <xelister> Diablo-D3: ALLAGEDY
476 2010-12-04 02:26:50 <xelister> <_<
477 2010-12-04 02:26:57 <xelister> well this is the version from ubuntu.
478 2010-12-04 02:28:11 <xelister> Diablo-D3: you tested your new version, it works fine on yours hw?
479 2010-12-04 02:28:22 <xelister> Invalid block found on Cypress at 3:27:26 AM, possible driver or hardware issue
480 2010-12-04 02:28:23 <xelister> Invalid block found on Cypress at 3:27:26 AM, possible driver or hardware issue
481 2010-12-04 02:28:25 <xelister> Invalid block found on Cypress at 3:27:26 AM, possible driver or hardware issue
482 2010-12-04 02:28:26 <xelister> Invalid block found on Cypress at 3:27:27 AM, possible driver or hardware issue
483 2010-12-04 02:28:28 <xelister> Invalid block found on Cypress at 3:27:27 AM, possible driver or hardware issue
484 2010-12-04 02:28:29 <xelister> Invalid block found on Cypress at 3:27:27 AM, possible driver or hardware issue
485 2010-12-04 02:28:31 <xelister> Invalid block found on Cypress at 3:27:27 AM, possible driver or hardware issue
486 2010-12-04 02:28:32 <xelister> Invalid block found on Cypress at 3:27:28 AM, possible driver or hardware issue
487 2010-12-04 02:28:34 <xelister> >_>
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490 2010-12-04 02:32:22 <xelister> Diablo-D3: well, can we debug mroe this issue?
491 2010-12-04 02:32:30 <xelister> Diablo-D3: perhaps all hashes from say 2nd core are wrong
492 2010-12-04 02:33:39 <xelister> Diablo-D3: using SDK 2.2 resolves the issue, but eats 400% cpu
493 2010-12-04 02:33:45 <xelister> with sdk 2.2, no errors
494 2010-12-04 02:35:30 <xelister> no, wait, I spoken too soon. On SDK 2.2 same errors.
495 2010-12-04 02:36:37 <Diablo-D3> xelister: confirm crossfire is off
496 2010-12-04 02:37:09 <xelister> $ aticonfig --lsch
497 2010-12-04 02:37:11 <xelister> CrossFire chain for adapter 0, status: disabled
498 2010-12-04 02:37:38 <xelister> k I can restart X to be extra sure..
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500 2010-12-04 02:37:45 <Diablo-D3> I would laugh
501 2010-12-04 02:37:49 <Diablo-D3> if his 5970 is efective
502 2010-12-04 02:37:54 <Diablo-D3> *defective
503 2010-12-04 02:38:54 <brocktice> sorry I haven't been following
504 2010-12-04 02:39:00 <brocktice> Is he using 10.10+ yet?
505 2010-12-04 02:39:05 <Diablo-D3> no
506 2010-12-04 02:39:09 <Diablo-D3> hes not even using a real driver
507 2010-12-04 02:39:13 <Diablo-D3> its that ubuntu-only beta driver
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509 2010-12-04 02:39:16 <brocktice> well, then there's not much point, is there?
510 2010-12-04 02:39:20 <Diablo-D3> its nine and a half
511 2010-12-04 02:39:23 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: yeah but
512 2010-12-04 02:39:26 <Diablo-D3> look at the new output
513 2010-12-04 02:39:30 <brocktice> How hard is it to apt-get remove fglrx?
514 2010-12-04 02:39:31 <brocktice> oh
515 2010-12-04 02:39:31 <Diablo-D3> it proves shis shit is outputting shit
516 2010-12-04 02:39:37 <brocktice> could still be drivers
517 2010-12-04 02:39:40 <Diablo-D3> it is
518 2010-12-04 02:39:44 <Diablo-D3> but it proves its not my shit
519 2010-12-04 02:39:52 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: I don't think anyone but him thought it was yours
520 2010-12-04 02:40:56 <Diablo-D3> yeah its just him
521 2010-12-04 02:41:01 <Diablo-D3> no one else can replicate the bug
522 2010-12-04 02:41:09 <Diablo-D3> and if crossfire is off, it can only be the driver
523 2010-12-04 02:41:42 <brocktice> Don't forget memtestCL
524 2010-12-04 02:41:58 <Diablo-D3> well Im assuming its not driver failure yet
525 2010-12-04 02:42:00 <Diablo-D3> er
526 2010-12-04 02:42:05 <Diablo-D3> well Im assuming its not hardware failure yet
527 2010-12-04 02:42:16 <Diablo-D3> if he updates to 10.10 and then its still fucked
528 2010-12-04 02:42:18 <Diablo-D3> its hardware
529 2010-12-04 02:42:24 <brocktice> sure
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532 2010-12-04 02:48:37 <Diablo-D3> you know
533 2010-12-04 02:48:37 * Kiba experiments and thought he found a way to make nice neat lineart in GIMP or so he thinks
534 2010-12-04 02:48:41 <Diablo-D3> bttf was one of the best trilogies ever
535 2010-12-04 02:50:52 <xelister> Diablo-D3: well, xfire is for sure disabled
536 2010-12-04 02:51:02 <xelister> and still it generates invalid blocks
537 2010-12-04 02:51:09 <xelister> did anyone ever tested Diablo-D3's miner on 5970 ?
538 2010-12-04 02:51:42 <brocktice> xelister: I did, didn't have great luck
539 2010-12-04 02:51:59 <brocktice> xelister: change your drivers
540 2010-12-04 02:52:09 <xelister> brocktice: what do you mean with no luck?
541 2010-12-04 02:52:15 <brocktice> xelister: which ubuntu version and platform?
542 2010-12-04 02:52:19 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: wait, what do you mean you didnt have luck?
543 2010-12-04 02:52:21 <brocktice> xelister: I mean it ran pretty slowly for me
544 2010-12-04 02:52:27 <xelister> brocktice: can you try latest diablo's miner git, and see do you have invalid bocls too
545 2010-12-04 02:52:27 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: you forgot to use -a?
546 2010-12-04 02:52:33 <xelister> brocktice: oh, did it run say, x2 slower?
547 2010-12-04 02:52:36 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: No I think I did use it
548 2010-12-04 02:52:38 <brocktice> xelister: no
549 2010-12-04 02:52:42 <brocktice> xelister: just slower than m0's
550 2010-12-04 02:52:43 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: are you SURE you did?
551 2010-12-04 02:52:50 <Diablo-D3> try with newest git now
552 2010-12-04 02:52:55 <xelister> brocktice: can you please try again
553 2010-12-04 02:53:16 <brocktice> xelister: can you please upgrade your driver?
554 2010-12-04 02:53:26 <brocktice> is it 10.04 on x86_64?
555 2010-12-04 02:53:33 <brocktice> Because I can even give you the damn .debs
556 2010-12-04 02:53:46 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: try my miner again
557 2010-12-04 02:53:58 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: I have my own miner running perfectly well right now
558 2010-12-04 02:54:36 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: oh fine
559 2010-12-04 02:54:39 <brocktice> where's the damn git again?
560 2010-12-04 02:54:49 <brocktice> nm
561 2010-12-04 02:54:49 <brocktice> found it
562 2010-12-04 02:55:01 <Diablo-D3> https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner
563 2010-12-04 02:55:02 <Diablo-D3> heh
564 2010-12-04 02:55:12 <Diablo-D3> I had to find my firefox window dedicated for this
565 2010-12-04 02:55:44 <brocktice> what is it, mvn pkg something something
566 2010-12-04 02:56:09 <Diablo-D3> mvn package
567 2010-12-04 02:56:12 <brocktice> If I can solve this to xelister's face
568 2010-12-04 02:56:27 <brocktice> works with 2.1 right?
569 2010-12-04 02:56:29 <Diablo-D3> and then just do ./DiabloMiner-Linux.sh -u foo -p bar -a
570 2010-12-04 02:56:32 <Diablo-D3> yes, I recommend 2.1
571 2010-12-04 02:56:51 <Diablo-D3> might wanna fiddle with -w for maximum speed, but meh
572 2010-12-04 02:57:14 <brocktice> ok
573 2010-12-04 02:57:28 <brocktice> starting
574 2010-12-04 02:57:40 <brocktice> nullpointerexception?
575 2010-12-04 02:57:53 <brocktice> when it tried to build on the second of four cores
576 2010-12-04 02:58:07 <Diablo-D3> pastebin
577 2010-12-04 02:58:16 <brocktice> oh
578 2010-12-04 02:58:20 <brocktice> are you still using m0's getwork?
579 2010-12-04 02:58:24 <Diablo-D3> yes
580 2010-12-04 02:58:26 <Diablo-D3> I was about to say that
581 2010-12-04 02:58:28 <brocktice> ah that's the problem
582 2010-12-04 02:58:31 <Diablo-D3> I still dont use satoshi's yet
583 2010-12-04 02:58:32 <brocktice> it's barfing in getwork stuff
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586 2010-12-04 02:59:45 <brocktice> damn it takes a long time to download the whole block chain
587 2010-12-04 02:59:57 <brocktice> In this case it should be doing it over the local network too, I think
588 2010-12-04 03:00:16 <Diablo-D3> I should go look at satoshi's shit
589 2010-12-04 03:01:41 <genjix> what's that field to do with usability and GUI interfaces called?
590 2010-12-04 03:02:12 <brocktice> HCI
591 2010-12-04 03:02:19 <brocktice> human computer interaction I think
592 2010-12-04 03:02:40 <genjix> Thank you!
593 2010-12-04 03:02:49 <genjix> exactly
594 2010-12-04 03:02:51 <Diablo-D3> no
595 2010-12-04 03:03:07 <genjix> doesnt happen often that I find the exact word 1st try on irc :)
596 2010-12-04 03:03:10 <Diablo-D3> hci is technically more physical related
597 2010-12-04 03:03:23 <genjix> oh really?
598 2010-12-04 03:03:30 <Diablo-D3> gui is a subset of hci
599 2010-12-04 03:03:36 mtgox has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
600 2010-12-04 03:04:09 <genjix> ok thanks
601 2010-12-04 03:04:35 <Diablo-D3> and hci is somewhere between ergonomics and industrial design
602 2010-12-04 03:04:38 <Diablo-D3> so meh
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604 2010-12-04 03:05:39 <Diablo-D3> Im trying to think of what ms and apple call it
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607 2010-12-04 03:06:01 <genjix> not too important. just writing a design doc for my app
608 2010-12-04 03:06:06 <genjix> on github
609 2010-12-04 03:10:58 <Diablo-D3> bleh I cant think of it
610 2010-12-04 03:11:02 <Diablo-D3> but theres another good term for it
611 2010-12-04 03:12:17 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: I know what you're thinking of
612 2010-12-04 03:12:23 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: I can't remember what it's called either
613 2010-12-04 03:12:29 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: I think there are different names for it
614 2010-12-04 03:12:34 <brocktice> Android has one too
615 2010-12-04 03:12:37 <Diablo-D3> HIG
616 2010-12-04 03:12:43 <xelister> brocktice: well, how to update it?
617 2010-12-04 03:12:44 <brocktice> yeah
618 2010-12-04 03:12:45 <Diablo-D3> human interface guidelines
619 2010-12-04 03:13:01 <xelister> brocktice: Im on ubuntu 10.10 x64
620 2010-12-04 03:13:19 <brocktice> xelister: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx
621 2010-12-04 03:13:32 <Diablo-D3> I do _not_ recommend using the .bin from amd to install fglrx
622 2010-12-04 03:13:47 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: you can use it to build .debs
623 2010-12-04 03:14:06 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: the debs arent compatible with debian or ubuntu ones
624 2010-12-04 03:14:15 <Diablo-D3> so you cant just install them and expect apt-get to cope
625 2010-12-04 03:14:19 <xelister> where to get deb if the correct fglrx for ubuntu 10.10 x64?
626 2010-12-04 03:14:34 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: it worked fine for me with dpkg -i
627 2010-12-04 03:14:48 <Diablo-D3> xelister: file a bug.
628 2010-12-04 03:14:49 <brocktice> ati-script.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/maverick
629 2010-12-04 03:15:12 <brocktice> then dpkg -i fglrx*8.783*.deb
630 2010-12-04 03:15:19 <brocktice> after apt-get remove fglrx of course
631 2010-12-04 03:16:02 <xelister> brocktice: so, are you trying out Diablo-D3's miner?
632 2010-12-04 03:16:11 <brocktice> xelister: no
633 2010-12-04 03:16:19 <brocktice> xelister: he needs to patch it for satoshi's getwork
634 2010-12-04 03:16:55 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: just build one with m0's patch
635 2010-12-04 03:17:14 <Diablo-D3> I wont be fixing my stuff to use satoshi's right this second
636 2010-12-04 03:18:25 <xelister> brocktice: do you want a one liner to get/patch/build/run m0m's bitcoind?
637 2010-12-04 03:18:33 <brocktice> nope
638 2010-12-04 03:18:47 <brocktice> I'm going to bed
639 2010-12-04 03:18:50 <brocktice> good luck
640 2010-12-04 03:18:54 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: but dont you want to prove xelister worng?
641 2010-12-04 03:18:57 <xelister> well thanks.. we will need it ;)
642 2010-12-04 03:19:05 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: not as much as I want to sleep
643 2010-12-04 03:19:19 * xelister admits WORNG
644 2010-12-04 03:19:36 <xelister> 1) not me, but Ubuntu
645 2010-12-04 03:19:39 acous has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
646 2010-12-04 03:19:43 <xelister> 2) it can be still bug in Diablo-D3's miner
647 2010-12-04 03:19:56 <xelister> Diablo-D3: do you yet have anyone running your miner on 5970?
648 2010-12-04 03:20:09 <Diablo-D3> xelister: dunno
649 2010-12-04 03:20:31 <xelister> perhaps you do something stupid there by mistake, that affects only 2 or more cores/devices
650 2010-12-04 03:20:43 <Diablo-D3> nope.
651 2010-12-04 03:20:44 <xelister> like, always send hash from the 1st device even if found on 2nd and so on
652 2010-12-04 03:21:56 <Diablo-D3> look at the code
653 2010-12-04 03:22:00 <Diablo-D3> that'd be impossible to setup
654 2010-12-04 03:22:03 <xelister> I look
655 2010-12-04 03:22:11 <xelister> a commnet line here and there would be nicer
656 2010-12-04 03:22:13 <Diablo-D3> the getwork instance is owned by the executor instance
657 2010-12-04 03:22:35 <xelister> you have 0 lines of comments besides of credits/license :(
658 2010-12-04 03:22:50 <xelister> well lets try add more debug and shit to it?
659 2010-12-04 03:23:27 <Diablo-D3> code that is written well does not need comments
660 2010-12-04 03:23:32 <Diablo-D3> and no, this doesnt need more debug
661 2010-12-04 03:24:02 <xelister> you don't wont so sound like arrogant ass coder that rejects any possibility of bug in own code
662 2010-12-04 03:24:05 <xelister> *to
663 2010-12-04 03:26:25 <Diablo-D3> you mean besides the many hours proving that my implementation is correct?
664 2010-12-04 03:27:50 <xelister> some errors can be corner case
665 2010-12-04 03:28:18 <xelister> either good developer like you made a bug in the miner, that shows only for 5970 (only 2 cores GPU),
666 2010-12-04 03:28:37 <Diablo-D3> except look how the code is written
667 2010-12-04 03:28:40 <xelister> or some totall experts on Radeons - fglrx developers - made a bug
668 2010-12-04 03:28:49 <Diablo-D3> the different executor threads do not share any data
669 2010-12-04 03:28:56 <Diablo-D3> xelister: YOU'RE USING A KNOWN BUGGY DRIVER
670 2010-12-04 03:29:01 <Diablo-D3> A _KNOWN_ BUGGY DRIVER
671 2010-12-04 03:29:03 <xelister> Diablo-D3: this bug is known?
672 2010-12-04 03:29:05 <xelister> url?
673 2010-12-04 03:29:06 <Diablo-D3> yes!
674 2010-12-04 03:29:19 <Diablo-D3> do not use ubuntu beta drivers that amd leaks to ubuntu
675 2010-12-04 03:29:20 <xelister> ok then url to bug description please
676 2010-12-04 03:29:26 <Diablo-D3> nope.
677 2010-12-04 03:29:27 <Diablo-D3> no url
678 2010-12-04 03:29:29 <Diablo-D3> I am not google
679 2010-12-04 03:29:35 <Diablo-D3> I already told you the fix
680 2010-12-04 03:29:36 <Diablo-D3> do it
681 2010-12-04 03:30:20 <xelister> install the other driver?
682 2010-12-04 03:30:29 <Diablo-D3> install 10.10
683 2010-12-04 03:30:31 <xelister> but then it would suck if it gets me in trouble with using my desktop
684 2010-12-04 03:30:33 <Diablo-D3> ubuntu must have debs for it somewhere
685 2010-12-04 03:33:27 <xelister> ok but you told me this bug is known? So what is this bug then? You seen it described? Or you just ment that the ubuntu beta driver is overall poor quality and you suspect it to cause this opencl problem?
686 2010-12-04 03:33:28 kermit has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
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689 2010-12-04 03:39:35 <xelister> Diablo-D3: how about 10.11 driver, would you recommend it?
690 2010-12-04 03:39:40 <Diablo-D3> sure, why not
691 2010-12-04 03:40:12 genjix is now known as donis
692 2010-12-04 03:40:13 <Diablo-D3> xelister: the bug is ubuntu is a bunch of fags who DEMAND AMD hand over broken drivers so they can package them and ship them out
693 2010-12-04 03:40:16 <donis> ss
694 2010-12-04 03:40:22 donis is now known as genjix
695 2010-12-04 03:40:32 <xelister> "ATI Catalyst⢠Technology"
696 2010-12-04 03:40:36 <xelister> "Performance, Innovation, and Stability"
697 2010-12-04 03:40:37 <xelister> :-&
698 2010-12-04 03:40:58 <xelister> Robust stability * ATI Catalyst drivers are Microsoft WHQL-certified, and include rigorously tested Linux drivers to deliver the industry's most stable and reliable graphics performance.
699 2010-12-04 03:41:01 <xelister> :-& :-&
700 2010-12-04 03:42:03 <xelister> speaking of fags,
701 2010-12-04 03:42:15 <Diablo-D3> anyhow
702 2010-12-04 03:42:17 <xelister> Diablo-D3: wanna join me in bounty on Flash developers heads?
703 2010-12-04 03:42:28 <xelister> 1000 btc \o/
704 2010-12-04 03:42:31 <Diablo-D3> heh
705 2010-12-04 03:42:41 <Diablo-D3> I hated flash longer than you knew what it was
706 2010-12-04 03:43:29 <xelister> damn, where is that stupid driver file
707 2010-12-04 03:45:20 <xelister> I cant find 10.10 drivers on amd site.
708 2010-12-04 03:45:26 <xelister> http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx -> fill in form -> get nothing. wtf
709 2010-12-04 03:45:49 * Diablo-D3 types amd linux into google
710 2010-12-04 03:45:59 * Diablo-D3 clicks first url
711 2010-12-04 03:46:27 * Diablo-D3 selects desktop, radeon hd, 4xxx, linux
712 2010-12-04 03:46:37 * Diablo-D3 clicks display results
713 2010-12-04 03:46:41 <Diablo-D3> http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=2.4.1.3.42&lang=English
714 2010-12-04 03:46:42 <Diablo-D3> ding
715 2010-12-04 03:47:04 <xelister> I click display results -> nothing
716 2010-12-04 03:49:31 <xelister> it worked on other firefox profile... jesus.
717 2010-12-04 03:49:53 <xelister> Diablo-D3: what *ding* it shows a 10.11 download
718 2010-12-04 03:50:07 <Diablo-D3> for linux.
719 2010-12-04 03:50:08 <xelister> if you click "Previous Drivers and Software" then it sends back an .aspx file (badly written script shit?)
720 2010-12-04 03:50:28 <Diablo-D3> aspx == asp.net
721 2010-12-04 03:50:39 <xelister> ok fuck this shit, hand editing the URL for the win
722 2010-12-04 03:50:41 <xelister> https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-10-10-x86.x86_64.run
723 2010-12-04 03:50:58 <Diablo-D3> I suspect your on drugs, xelister
724 2010-12-04 03:51:04 <Diablo-D3> I go to that url and see a download link button
725 2010-12-04 03:51:16 <Diablo-D3> I click it, it downloads the run file
726 2010-12-04 03:51:23 <xelister> Diablo-D3: it is a link to 10.11 driver, not to 10.10
727 2010-12-04 03:51:31 <Diablo-D3> yes, its 10.11
728 2010-12-04 03:51:31 <Diablo-D3> use it
729 2010-12-04 03:51:44 <xelister> yeah I asked you should we use 10.11 and you said nothig
730 2010-12-04 03:51:59 <xelister> will it work with X and shit that is in ubuntu maverick though?
731 2010-12-04 03:53:18 <Diablo-D3> try it and find out
732 2010-12-04 03:53:53 <xelister> mhm... I probably will... have to hit the bed now
733 2010-12-04 03:54:09 <xelister> btw I will not have access to 5970 soon, so last chance to test your miner on 5970 linux
734 2010-12-04 03:54:38 <xelister> (after this weekend, I will have 5970 probably in mid 2011 or so)
735 2010-12-04 03:55:10 <theymos> ICANN responds to the torrent takedown controversy: http://blog.icann.org/2010/12/icann-doesn%E2%80%99t-take-down-websites/ I believe that they didn't take down the site, but this still seems like a weak response.
736 2010-12-04 03:55:13 <xelister> Diablo-D3: if you would push some more possible debug during next hours, I will test them in around +10 h from now. Thanks, cu
737 2010-12-04 03:55:26 * xelister bbl
738 2010-12-04 03:56:24 <Diablo-D3> xelister: this has already BEEN debugged
739 2010-12-04 03:56:26 <Diablo-D3> it is driver issue
740 2010-12-04 03:56:31 <Diablo-D3> no one else is having this problem
741 2010-12-04 03:57:09 <Diablo-D3> xelister: are you sure crossfire is off? my miner should list two devices found
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744 2010-12-04 04:33:24 <Kiba> apperantly, Satoshi mean Ash in Japanese
745 2010-12-04 04:36:48 <Kiba> or it could mean wise, fast learner..hmm
746 2010-12-04 04:37:08 <Diablo-D3> or it could be a common japanese name
747 2010-12-04 04:37:13 <Diablo-D3> OH HOOO IT ISSSSSS
748 2010-12-04 04:37:44 <theymos> Does Nakamoto have any significance? I've always thought it was a pseudonym.
749 2010-12-04 04:37:58 <Kiba> Nakamoto is apperantly a common last name too
750 2010-12-04 04:38:37 <Diablo-D3> I mean, the guy might as well be called john smith
751 2010-12-04 04:39:45 <Kiba> then the genderbendered version of Satoshi might as well have an ordinary name
752 2010-12-04 04:39:55 <Kiba> Akira Nakamoto
753 2010-12-04 04:40:09 <Kiba> MUHAHAHAH
754 2010-12-04 04:40:36 * Kiba finds it fun to genderbend anonymous people
755 2010-12-04 04:40:46 <Diablo-D3> akira isnt exactly a female name
756 2010-12-04 04:41:14 <Kiba> it's unisex
757 2010-12-04 04:41:32 <Diablo-D3> hmm, a chick named akira
758 2010-12-04 04:41:32 <Kiba> Haruka
759 2010-12-04 04:41:51 <Kiba> it's only common names
760 2010-12-04 04:42:01 <Kiba> Haruka is female, it means "far off"
761 2010-12-04 04:42:11 <theymos> His PGP key was created a month before the project was first announced, and he's totally unknown before that. This makes me strongly suspect that he carefully planned the Satoshi identity beforehand (like all other aspects of Bitcoin).
762 2010-12-04 04:42:49 <Kiba> the unintended effect is that some western artist decide to genderbend Satoshi just for fun.
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764 2010-12-04 04:43:30 <Kiba> hey
765 2010-12-04 04:43:42 <Kiba> we're just discussing how to name a genderbended Satoshi Nakamoto
766 2010-12-04 04:45:18 <Diablo-D3> theymos: who knows
767 2010-12-04 04:45:21 <Diablo-D3> maybe I dont exist either
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771 2010-12-04 04:48:14 <Kiba> Diablo-D3: you're a fiagment of Satoshi's imagination
772 2010-12-04 04:48:33 <Diablo-D3> I doubt it
773 2010-12-04 04:48:36 <Diablo-D3> hes probably one of mine
774 2010-12-04 04:49:36 <Kiba> Generally, it's a fiagment of a Japanese high schooler
775 2010-12-04 04:49:42 <Kiba> 's imagination
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778 2010-12-04 04:59:14 <theymos> Kiba: What is the plot of your Satoshi comic?
779 2010-12-04 04:59:31 <MT`AwAy> [13:33:02] <Kiba> apperantly, Satoshi mean Ash in Japanese <- no
780 2010-12-04 04:59:40 <MT`AwAy> it's just the pokemon character which was called like that
781 2010-12-04 04:59:53 <MT`AwAy> well, at least "Satoshi" is a common name here
782 2010-12-04 05:00:05 <Kiba> theymos: there is a plot?
783 2010-12-04 05:00:23 <theymos> Kiba: Weren't you going to create an entire graphic novel?
784 2010-12-04 05:00:33 <Kiba> maybe
785 2010-12-04 05:00:38 <Kiba> I got other ideas for a graphic novel
786 2010-12-04 05:01:03 <Kiba> EPIC battle on a dyson sphere
787 2010-12-04 05:01:13 <MT`AwAy> anyway it is evident that Satoshi is not even close to be japanese
788 2010-12-04 05:01:33 <Kiba> timezone theory, MT`AwAy?
789 2010-12-04 05:01:43 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: cultural theory
790 2010-12-04 05:01:53 <Kiba> cultural theory?
791 2010-12-04 05:02:11 <Kiba> explain your theory of Satoshi
792 2010-12-04 05:02:11 <MT`AwAy> and the fact the bitcoin client, the bitcoin website and everything related to bitcoin has not even a single piece of japanese
793 2010-12-04 05:02:30 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: I do not know who Satoshi is, but I can tell almost for sure he's not Japanese
794 2010-12-04 05:02:55 <MT`AwAy> or if he is japanese he never lived with other japanese people
795 2010-12-04 05:03:13 <theymos> You don't think his parents are Japanese emigrants?
796 2010-12-04 05:03:16 <Kiba> Japan isn't conducive to generating bitcoin?
797 2010-12-04 05:03:42 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: for now I only saw 3 people in japan using bitcoins on irc/forum, and they all are people from other countries
798 2010-12-04 05:03:50 <Kiba> true dat
799 2010-12-04 05:04:19 <MT`AwAy> theymos: they may be some of those japanese that went to brazil years ago, but I don't think they'd still give a japanese first name to their children
800 2010-12-04 05:04:23 <Kiba> or maybe this is a gambit to trick us to think he's not Japanese
801 2010-12-04 05:04:40 <MT`AwAy> anyway it is unlikely Satoshi would disclose his real identity while everything else is hidden
802 2010-12-04 05:04:58 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: well, it'll be fun
803 2010-12-04 05:05:11 <Kiba> I think Satoshi is old. He still use subversion.
804 2010-12-04 05:05:23 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: I'm a coder and already worked with tons of japanese people here, and the way the code is made is also completly different from anything I ever saw in japan (but not so different from more western stuff)
805 2010-12-04 05:05:28 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: I still use subversion too :D
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807 2010-12-04 05:05:47 <theymos> I like the pseudonym theory the best. It's so much cooler for someone to have a secret identity than just a boring name.
808 2010-12-04 05:06:03 <MT`AwAy> oh and finally, japanese people tend to write their last name first, especially on copyright notices (even in english), hence it should be "Nakamoto Satoshi"
809 2010-12-04 05:06:04 <Kiba> theymos: and we get to twist it into a mythology!
810 2010-12-04 05:07:59 <MT`AwAy> anyway given all that, I'm 99% positive Satoshi is not japanese
811 2010-12-04 05:08:19 <Kiba> you never identified an anonymous person as not Japanese are you?
812 2010-12-04 05:08:24 <Kiba> it would be an interesting bitpredict
813 2010-12-04 05:08:26 <Kiba> claim
814 2010-12-04 05:10:22 <MT`AwAy> by the way who made the chinese translations of the bitcoin website?
815 2010-12-04 05:10:33 <Kiba> I don't know
816 2010-12-04 05:11:03 <theymos> They were contributed by someone in the translations forum thread, IIRC.
817 2010-12-04 05:11:54 <Kiba> the other mystery is just who the heck run mybitcoin
818 2010-12-04 05:12:33 <theymos> I can say with high certainty that it's the same people who run PrivacyShark. They were both created at around the same time, and they're in the same city.
819 2010-12-04 05:13:05 <MT`AwAy> the whois hints at country KN, which might be just exact (the other infos might not, however)
820 2010-12-04 05:13:39 <Kiba> KN?
821 2010-12-04 05:13:56 <MT`AwAy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Kitts_and_Nevis
822 2010-12-04 05:14:15 <MT`AwAy> the po box is likely to exist there, and likely to redirect to another country
823 2010-12-04 05:14:47 <theymos> Indeed, it says on both sites that it's located in Charlestown, Nevis, W.I.
824 2010-12-04 05:14:55 <MT`AwAy> by the way the domain bitcoin.org was registered by "Anonymous Speech LLC" which claims to be in Japan, close to where I live
825 2010-12-04 05:15:26 <MT`AwAy> however I don't believe they are really in Japan
826 2010-12-04 05:15:49 <Kiba> WOAH
827 2010-12-04 05:15:52 <Kiba> this feel like a...
828 2010-12-04 05:16:16 <Kiba> THIS IS AWESOME!
829 2010-12-04 05:16:32 <MT`AwAy> I checked the address and there's nothing else
830 2010-12-04 05:16:57 <theymos> Anonymous Speech is just a service like Domains By Proxy. It doesn't tell us anything.
831 2010-12-04 05:16:58 <MT`AwAy> also the address contains "Sakura House" which is the name of a famous guest house company in Japan (famous with strangers, not with japanese ppl)
832 2010-12-04 05:17:15 <MT`AwAy> theymos: yep, but they have the same amount of mistery about them
833 2010-12-04 05:17:30 <Kiba> As long Satoshi doesn't do anything other than develop
834 2010-12-04 05:17:32 JudStephenson has quit (Quit: JudStephenson)
835 2010-12-04 05:17:33 <Kiba> he will stay a mystery
836 2010-12-04 05:17:52 <Kiba> Don't say too much. Don't say anything.
837 2010-12-04 05:17:54 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: and I believe he purposely only post short changelogs
838 2010-12-04 05:18:22 <MT`AwAy> ok, I just asked a chinese friend
839 2010-12-04 05:18:25 <theymos> The changelogs are accurate. Not much is changed with each version. I verify each SVN commit for my mailing list changelogs.
840 2010-12-04 05:18:30 <MT`AwAy> he can't read bitcoin.org's chinese version at all
841 2010-12-04 05:18:42 <MT`AwAy> oh
842 2010-12-04 05:18:48 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: it's probably stuck into a google translate
843 2010-12-04 05:18:50 <Kiba> machine
844 2010-12-04 05:18:55 <MT`AwAy> sorry, he can
845 2010-12-04 05:19:09 <Kiba> Bad or good?
846 2010-12-04 05:19:12 <MT`AwAy> he started by "What The Fuck" and stuff like that
847 2010-12-04 05:19:15 <MT`AwAy> it's incredible
848 2010-12-04 05:20:08 <Kiba> if you're going to change the world, you invent something like bitcoin
849 2010-12-04 05:20:16 <Diablo-D3> you know whats fun?
850 2010-12-04 05:20:24 <Diablo-D3> listening to japanese people swear in english
851 2010-12-04 05:20:29 <MT`AwAy> I'm thinking of writing a new bitcoin client from scratch
852 2010-12-04 05:20:31 <MT`AwAy> Diablo-D3: haha :D
853 2010-12-04 05:20:37 <Kiba> I saw a twit by a Chinese person
854 2010-12-04 05:21:04 <Kiba> Can you translate your friend's Chinese utterance for us?
855 2010-12-04 05:22:03 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: you're Magical Tuck?
856 2010-12-04 05:22:30 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: yup, MagicalTux
857 2010-12-04 05:23:04 <MT`AwAy> theymos: can you find the translations thread?
858 2010-12-04 05:23:42 <theymos> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=151.msg1661#msg1661 http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=151.msg4927#msg4927
859 2010-12-04 05:24:50 <noagendamarket> I think satoshi is english.
860 2010-12-04 05:25:05 <Kiba> A westerner, essentially.
861 2010-12-04 05:25:12 <noagendamarket> The genesis block points to a UK newspaper story
862 2010-12-04 05:25:57 <theymos> The article is also available online. He created his identity before the genesis block, so he could have chosen an article in the UK to throw people off.
863 2010-12-04 05:26:28 <noagendamarket> Thats possible.
864 2010-12-04 05:26:31 <MT`AwAy> (btw the french bitcoin client translation is wrong)
865 2010-12-04 05:26:46 <noagendamarket> The reality is sometimes completely mundane
866 2010-12-04 05:27:13 <theymos> Not if you have the right attitude!
867 2010-12-04 05:27:43 FreeMoney has joined
868 2010-12-04 05:27:53 <Kiba> my personal theory: Satoshi Nakamoto is actually the world famous _why
869 2010-12-04 05:28:03 <MT`AwAy> anyway satoshi might be around us right here, he might be on this channel and laughing at our futile attempts to guess his country in his spacecraft
870 2010-12-04 05:28:09 <Diablo-D3> oh speaking of which
871 2010-12-04 05:28:19 <dwdollar> I think he used the term 'bloody' in one of his posts on the forum...
872 2010-12-04 05:28:19 <Diablo-D3> new ep of psg is out
873 2010-12-04 05:28:29 <dwdollar> that sounds English
874 2010-12-04 05:28:30 <Kiba> psg?
875 2010-12-04 05:28:40 <Diablo-D3> gainax's new show.
876 2010-12-04 05:28:49 <Kiba> ?
877 2010-12-04 05:29:16 <Kiba> dwdollar: if he's english, he would use s in place of z in zation
878 2010-12-04 05:29:27 <dwdollar> hehe...
879 2010-12-04 05:29:35 <dwdollar> the mystery continues
880 2010-12-04 05:29:53 <MT`AwAy> s and z are not that far on qwerty
881 2010-12-04 05:30:40 <Kiba> Satoshi is on a mission
882 2010-12-04 05:31:42 <dwdollar> http://www.zerohedge.com/article/goldman-sack-blows-whistle-jp-morgue-silver-manipulation-scheme
883 2010-12-04 05:31:56 <theymos> I wonder if he purposefully tries to distort his writing style. I noticed that he sometimes makes minor grammatical errors: this is one strategy I've used when trying to alter my writing style for anonymity.
884 2010-12-04 05:32:16 <dwdollar> Those Xtranormal cartoons are hilarious
885 2010-12-04 05:32:32 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: btw you can prefix my name with a @ on twitter
886 2010-12-04 05:32:34 * Kiba lols
887 2010-12-04 05:32:35 * genjix puts on his tinfoil hat
888 2010-12-04 05:32:52 <genjix> satoshi illuminati
889 2010-12-04 05:33:19 <Kiba> oh man
890 2010-12-04 05:33:21 <Kiba> this is fun.
891 2010-12-04 05:34:36 <Diablo-D3> I would like to make it known that
892 2010-12-04 05:34:46 <Diablo-D3> japan scares the almighty fuck out of me
893 2010-12-04 05:34:51 jgarzik has joined
894 2010-12-04 05:34:59 <Kiba> hey
895 2010-12-04 05:35:06 <Kiba> we were just spectulating on Satoshi's real identity
896 2010-12-04 05:35:08 jgarzik has quit (Changing host)
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898 2010-12-04 05:36:13 <Diablo-D3> yes, and Im watching the newest ep of psg
899 2010-12-04 05:36:13 <Kiba> ;;bc,calc 150000
900 2010-12-04 05:36:15 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 150000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 2 days, 16 hours, 15 minutes, and 3 seconds
901 2010-12-04 05:36:26 <Kiba> Diablo-D3: what is PSG, damnit?
902 2010-12-04 05:36:29 <theymos> Wow! The pool actually does split coins in the generation transaction. See: http://blockexplorer.com/b/95420
903 2010-12-04 05:36:31 <Diablo-D3> Kiba: gainax's new show
904 2010-12-04 05:36:53 <Kiba> an anime...
905 2010-12-04 05:36:57 <Diablo-D3> yes.
906 2010-12-04 05:37:42 <Kiba> Panty and Stocking with Explosive Diarrhea
907 2010-12-04 05:38:22 <Diablo-D3> fail.
908 2010-12-04 05:39:09 ciuciu has joined
909 2010-12-04 05:39:26 <noagendamarket> actually bloody is more of an australian expression lol
910 2010-12-04 05:39:50 <Kiba> AUstrialian?
911 2010-12-04 05:40:33 <xelister> Diablo-D3:
912 2010-12-04 05:41:02 <xelister> + bash DiabloMiner-Linux.sh -f 120 -u bc -p x -w 128 -a
913 2010-12-04 05:41:03 <xelister> Added Cypress (20 CU, 1x vector, local work size of 128)
914 2010-12-04 05:41:05 <xelister> Added Cypress (20 CU, 1x vector, local work size of 128)
915 2010-12-04 05:41:06 <xelister> Started at Dec 4, 2010 4:46:11 AM
916 2010-12-04 05:41:08 <xelister> 522971 khash/sec
917 2010-12-04 05:41:11 <xelister> so yea, xfire is off. and still bad results
918 2010-12-04 05:41:15 <xelister> will try new version later perhaps
919 2010-12-04 05:41:30 <Kiba> wee! In 2 days, we will generate a bitcoin!
920 2010-12-04 05:43:24 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,calc 75000
921 2010-12-04 05:43:24 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 75000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 5 days, 8 hours, 30 minutes, and 7 seconds
922 2010-12-04 05:43:54 <Diablo-D3> so basically never
923 2010-12-04 05:44:11 <noagendamarket> well the khash has gone up to 139 000
924 2010-12-04 05:44:46 <Kiba> it functulate, noagendamarket
925 2010-12-04 05:44:59 <noagendamarket> yeah it seems to go up and down
926 2010-12-04 05:45:04 <Kiba> for some reason, I am geting 800 then 200 then 500
927 2010-12-04 05:45:11 <noagendamarket> whats the go with that?
928 2010-12-04 05:45:24 <noagendamarket> hope i dont generate when my khash is 200 lol
929 2010-12-04 05:45:33 <Kiba> so now we have a slowball chance in hell to generate bitcoin
930 2010-12-04 05:46:12 <noagendamarket> why is that happening?
931 2010-12-04 05:46:59 <Kiba> don't know
932 2010-12-04 05:47:03 <Kiba> ask in the forum
933 2010-12-04 05:50:17 <noagendamarket> ;;bc,calc139000
934 2010-12-04 05:50:17 <gribble> Error: "bc,calc139000" is not a valid command.
935 2010-12-04 05:50:26 <noagendamarket> ;;bc,calc 139000
936 2010-12-04 05:50:27 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 139000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 2 days, 21 hours, 20 minutes, and 8 seconds
937 2010-12-04 05:50:38 <noagendamarket> hmm lets hope it uses that lol
938 2010-12-04 05:55:31 <jgarzik> theymos: I was wondering when we'd start to see "interesting" generation transactions
939 2010-12-04 05:56:54 <theymos> I'm surprised no one has started putting messages in generations. You have 100 bytes: put something cool there!
940 2010-12-04 05:57:20 <MT`AwAy> so finally we got people who received less than 0.01 btc (wtf can you buy with 0.00000044 btc?)
941 2010-12-04 05:58:08 <theymos> Bitcoin will actually silently throw away sub-cent portions whenever you happen to select such a coin during sends. So it's really just meaningless.
942 2010-12-04 05:58:51 <genjix> why?
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944 2010-12-04 05:59:17 <theymos> You would otherwise send sub-cent change to yourself, which would make your transaction "illegal" to most generators.
945 2010-12-04 05:59:41 <genjix> i thought bitcoin was infinitely divisible?
946 2010-12-04 05:59:58 <genjix> (excuse my ignorance)
947 2010-12-04 06:00:11 <Diablo-D3> no
948 2010-12-04 06:00:14 <Diablo-D3> just 8 places.
949 2010-12-04 06:00:16 <MT`AwAy> genjix: subcent transactions have a 0.01 btc fee to avoid floods
950 2010-12-04 06:00:24 <theymos> 8 decimals is the current technical limit. But generators enforce 2 decimals to prevent flooding.
951 2010-12-04 06:00:35 <genjix> i see
952 2010-12-04 06:01:03 <theymos> You can send sub-0.01 transactions, but it might take a month or more for it to get any confirmations.
953 2010-12-04 06:01:17 <genjix> coolio
954 2010-12-04 06:01:19 <Diablo-D3> lol
955 2010-12-04 06:01:40 <MT`AwAy> theymos: well, actually less if the gpu guys are still accepting them without fees
956 2010-12-04 06:01:58 <theymos> ArtForz has stopped doing that, at least.
957 2010-12-04 06:02:11 <Diablo-D3> hrm
958 2010-12-04 06:02:15 <Diablo-D3> how do I turn the fees up? :D
959 2010-12-04 06:02:39 <theymos> It's not profitable to increase fees if you're the only one doing it.
960 2010-12-04 06:02:57 <Diablo-D3> if it stops people from free riding on the system, it should be done
961 2010-12-04 06:03:29 <MT`AwAy> Diablo-D3: it won't stop them unless everyone does it
962 2010-12-04 06:04:04 <Diablo-D3> okay fine
963 2010-12-04 06:04:10 <Diablo-D3> it stops them from free riding on my coins
964 2010-12-04 06:04:14 <Kiba> how come it will take 103 blocks to mature?
965 2010-12-04 06:04:47 <theymos> Kiba: If the block chain forks, the transaction and any based on it would be lost. To avoid "downstream" recipients from losing coins, there's a network-enforced maturation time.
966 2010-12-04 06:04:47 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: takes 120 blocks for generate to mature
967 2010-12-04 06:09:02 <Kiba> ah, I see.
968 2010-12-04 06:09:11 <Kiba> man, I gottach code myself a bitcoin client someday
969 2010-12-04 06:10:47 <djoot> there's a guy writing a java client
970 2010-12-04 06:10:58 <djoot> or some people... whatever :)
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972 2010-12-04 06:15:45 * Kiba twits his download
973 2010-12-04 06:17:14 <doublec> wow, the pooled miner actually works
974 2010-12-04 06:17:34 echeese has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
975 2010-12-04 06:17:55 <doublec> I had faith of course ;)
976 2010-12-04 06:18:29 <Kiba> other people didn't join in
977 2010-12-04 06:18:34 <Kiba> so they missed a chance
978 2010-12-04 06:19:08 osmosis has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
979 2010-12-04 06:19:58 <MT`AwAy> or they just generated another 50 whole btc
980 2010-12-04 06:20:20 <doublec> hehe, suddenly 10 more miners join the pool
981 2010-12-04 06:20:58 <MT`AwAy> in theory the earnings from the pooled miner and the normal generation are supposed to be the same (except if it takes more than 2 weeks for them to generate one block since difficulty may get higher in the meantime)
982 2010-12-04 06:21:53 <doublec> yes
983 2010-12-04 06:22:18 <doublec> the advantage of the pool is instead of someone waiting 28 weeks for 50 and giving up out of boredom, they get minor increments in a day or two
984 2010-12-04 06:22:42 <MT`AwAy> that is, hoping nobody is cheating
985 2010-12-04 06:24:14 <doublec> my server is pretty close to being cpu maxed out
986 2010-12-04 06:24:28 <doublec> when I move to the new pool server/client I might need to move to a new machine
987 2010-12-04 06:24:38 <Kiba> there is no incentive to cheat if you want bitcoin faster
988 2010-12-04 06:25:09 JudStephenson has joined
989 2010-12-04 06:25:17 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: how does the pool decide who gets more or less bitcoins of all those who generates?
990 2010-12-04 06:25:49 <doublec> MT`AwAy, see the first post here: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1458.0
991 2010-12-04 06:25:51 <Kiba> value of hashes, or how many hashes you actually contributed..at least that what doublec told me
992 2010-12-04 06:25:55 <doublec> under 'distribution type'
993 2010-12-04 06:26:29 noagendamarket has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
994 2010-12-04 06:26:29 <doublec> we're using 'connected' because that's all the server supported at the time. I may move to 'contributed' when I upgrade.
995 2010-12-04 06:26:38 <doublec> I'll post about it and ask for opinions
996 2010-12-04 06:28:20 <MT`AwAy> anyway we'll see once the pool client is adapted to gpu
997 2010-12-04 06:28:50 <[Noodles]> on one hand, it removes the lottery/chance-style, at least as far as i understand the 'contributed' way, everyone gets a share, no matter if connected 24/7 or just an hour a day
998 2010-12-04 06:29:31 <[Noodles]> so that's like guaranteed coins, you dont get that from the mainline, so on the other hand, it's a nice advertizer
999 2010-12-04 06:29:58 <[Noodles]> kinda good and bad in both ways
1000 2010-12-04 06:30:34 <[Noodles]> gpu-versions would be nice indeed
1001 2010-12-04 06:30:54 <MT`AwAy> gpu-versions will ensure cpu ppl don't get much coins from the pool, thru removing interest for those ppl
1002 2010-12-04 06:31:18 <[Noodles]> not much, but faster
1003 2010-12-04 06:31:53 <[Noodles]> that's what the pool is all about, but ur right, it shouldn't get "to big"
1004 2010-12-04 06:32:01 <MT`AwAy> if you get 0.00000044 bitcoins each time, it'll take 22727 blocks to have 0.01 coin
1005 2010-12-04 06:32:50 <MT`AwAy> 157 days assuming 100% of the blocks are generated by the pool, or half a year when we are more realistic
1006 2010-12-04 06:33:01 <Kiba> but you need more CPU people
1007 2010-12-04 06:33:05 <MT`AwAy> ie, the pool works fine now because it is not used by a lot of people, and has no GPU
1008 2010-12-04 06:33:10 <theymos> That super small amount was rounding error going to the server.
1009 2010-12-04 06:33:13 <Kiba> in a pool
1010 2010-12-04 06:33:44 <Kiba> so GPU mining pools need less people, which mean more share
1011 2010-12-04 06:34:26 * Kiba do a last development sprint in bitpredict
1012 2010-12-04 06:34:29 <MT`AwAy> well, for now pooling GPU mining seems pretty much useless
1013 2010-12-04 06:34:34 <Kiba> than I am done for now
1014 2010-12-04 06:35:30 <[Noodles]> MT: tell people using nvidia-cards ;o)
1015 2010-12-04 06:36:36 <MT`AwAy> [Noodles]: changing bitcoin generation profit rules might have more impact
1016 2010-12-04 06:37:27 <MT`AwAy> it'll have people who bought expensive hardware not happy, however :p
1017 2010-12-04 06:39:02 <[Noodles]> no, i meant you should tell it to those people that use nvidia, that pooled GPU mining is useless, they might disagree
1018 2010-12-04 06:40:55 <[Noodles]> mine hasnt found any blocks in the last...2weeks, not that i would care, but for newcomers, its just like with the mainline, it might be nice to know that it actually works
1019 2010-12-04 06:41:24 <[Noodles]> and get something in a day or so, not within weeks
1020 2010-12-04 06:42:03 <MT`AwAy> the pooled server could reject clients with too many hashes/sec
1021 2010-12-04 06:42:45 <[Noodles]> could be an option, that way, server-admins could offer CPU and GPU pools
1022 2010-12-04 06:43:08 <doublec> there's nothing wrong with a gpu joining the pool
1023 2010-12-04 06:43:17 <doublec> it means cpu users get coins more often - just less of them
1024 2010-12-04 06:43:32 <doublec> but it'd average out
1025 2010-12-04 06:43:37 <[Noodles]> something like that, but i'll take what i get anyway, can't do anything myself beside contributing work
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1027 2010-12-04 06:44:04 <Kiba> a specialization of bitconers. Some are involved in core bitcoin client work.
1028 2010-12-04 06:44:05 Guest77478 is now known as OneFixt
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1031 2010-12-04 06:44:10 <Kiba> some are advertisers for bitcoins
1032 2010-12-04 06:44:11 <Foggymyst> Woo hoo! Pooled generated their first block!
1033 2010-12-04 06:44:14 <Kiba> some sponsors bounty
1034 2010-12-04 06:44:26 <doublec> there's a limit to the khash that can be contributed to a single server though
1035 2010-12-04 06:44:30 <Kiba> some build business on bitcoins
1036 2010-12-04 06:44:39 <doublec> based on the server's cpu and network communication overhead
1037 2010-12-04 06:44:46 <doublec> Foggymyst, yep!
1038 2010-12-04 06:44:48 <[Noodles]> any chance for 4way (for windows) on the remoteminer?
1039 2010-12-04 06:45:09 <[Noodles]> that would speed at leasst some cpus up
1040 2010-12-04 06:45:11 <doublec> Does 4way really help? Doesn't seem to do much on the standard client for me.
1041 2010-12-04 06:45:44 <[Noodles]> for me it does, hashrate on Phenom II X3 main=3800 4way=7200
1042 2010-12-04 06:45:56 <doublec> wow, nice
1043 2010-12-04 06:46:04 <[Noodles]> thats what i thought ^.^
1044 2010-12-04 06:46:11 <doublec> [Noodles], if you add it as an issue in the github repository I'll see what I can do
1045 2010-12-04 06:46:12 <doublec> https://github.com/doublec/bitcoin-pool
1046 2010-12-04 06:46:24 <Foggymyst> Wait a minute, the Phenoms can use 4-way?
1047 2010-12-04 06:46:26 <[Noodles]> nah, not me, as jgarzik ^.^
1048 2010-12-04 06:46:29 <Foggymyst> Curious.
1049 2010-12-04 06:46:33 <[Noodles]> i'm not a coder at all
1050 2010-12-04 06:46:33 <OneFixt> ;;bc,stats
1051 2010-12-04 06:46:35 <gribble> Current Blocks: 95441 | Current Difficulty: 8078.19525793 | Next Difficulty At Block: 96767 | Next Difficulty In: 1326 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 21 hours, 10 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 10807.93831659
1052 2010-12-04 06:46:52 <[Noodles]> Phenoms can use 4way, yes
1053 2010-12-04 06:47:48 <[Noodles]> on windows it only works with jgarzik's cpu-miner so far
1054 2010-12-04 06:48:14 <Foggymyst> Would anyone find use in a futures market for bitcoin?
1055 2010-12-04 06:49:25 <Kiba> I am working on bitpredict
1056 2010-12-04 06:49:33 <Foggymyst> Link?
1057 2010-12-04 06:50:13 <Kiba> https://github.com/kiba/bitpredict
1058 2010-12-04 06:50:16 <Kiba> a prediction market
1059 2010-12-04 06:50:32 <Kiba> it will allow anybody to open up their own prediction market
1060 2010-12-04 06:50:58 <Foggymyst> Ah, I see.
1061 2010-12-04 06:52:22 <MT`AwAy> gah
1062 2010-12-04 06:52:23 <MT`AwAy> rails
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1067 2010-12-04 06:56:13 <MT`AwAy> btw anyone has thoughts on stuff that would be cool to see in bitcoin ?
1068 2010-12-04 06:56:18 <MT`AwAy> (in the client)
1069 2010-12-04 06:56:45 <theymos> My #1 desired feature: The ability to select exactly which coins to send.
1070 2010-12-04 06:56:46 <[Noodles]> ponys
1071 2010-12-04 06:56:47 <genjix> MT`AwAy: I had some. hold on
1072 2010-12-04 06:57:00 <MT`AwAy> theymos: I'll note that
1073 2010-12-04 06:57:01 <genjix> im pm'ed or emailed satoshi.
1074 2010-12-04 06:57:09 <doublec> the ability to remove transactions from the display
1075 2010-12-04 06:57:19 <genjix> when i first joined up... looking for it.
1076 2010-12-04 06:57:19 <MT`AwAy> theymos: if only in API it'd be still fine? or you really want a gui for that?
1077 2010-12-04 06:57:19 <doublec> so I don't see "10,000 confirmations for transaction X" all the time
1078 2010-12-04 06:57:45 <MT`AwAy> doublec: ok
1079 2010-12-04 06:59:11 <MT`AwAy> genjix: I'd be interested to know :)
1080 2010-12-04 07:00:13 <genjix> can't find it :( damn.
1081 2010-12-04 07:00:14 <[Noodles]> i'd like to change the order of addresses in my address book by clicking the Label tag, scrolling sucks
1082 2010-12-04 07:00:28 <genjix> however one thing I remember was using SI prefixes for currency display
1083 2010-12-04 07:00:30 <genjix> i.e
1084 2010-12-04 07:00:33 <genjix> nBTC
1085 2010-12-04 07:00:42 <genjix> µBTC
1086 2010-12-04 07:00:48 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: why hate rails?
1087 2010-12-04 07:01:39 <genjix> MT`AwAy: another is ability to generate at a lower level and have it on by default (like 10%(
1088 2010-12-04 07:01:50 <Kiba> genjix: what you PM or emailed satoshi for?
1089 2010-12-04 07:01:59 <genjix> cos I like to harden the network but im using a laptop and it drives my cpu crazy
1090 2010-12-04 07:02:15 <genjix> its when I first found bitcoin, i wasnt a forum member yet
1091 2010-12-04 07:02:16 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: last time a customer asked me help with rails the code was so messy with constructs that made no sense, like following an array set brought me to more than 30 different files (I gave up)
1092 2010-12-04 07:02:38 <MT`AwAy> genjix: I see
1093 2010-12-04 07:02:49 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: must be a HTML/CSS developer converted to rails coding
1094 2010-12-04 07:03:08 <Kiba> did game development before doign rails coding
1095 2010-12-04 07:03:20 <genjix> MT`AwAy: also put debit/credit on the left hand side
1096 2010-12-04 07:03:32 <genjix> those hashes are the least important to me
1097 2010-12-04 07:03:49 <MT`AwAy> genjix: I plan to allow reordering/hiding of cols
1098 2010-12-04 07:03:55 <genjix> and why are 2 columns needed?
1099 2010-12-04 07:04:08 <genjix> My internet banking shows 1 column
1100 2010-12-04 07:04:11 <MT`AwAy> (just changing the order would please only a small subset of users)
1101 2010-12-04 07:04:14 <genjix> £10 CR
1102 2010-12-04 07:04:19 <MT`AwAy> genjix: some people like two, I'll have both :)
1103 2010-12-04 07:04:22 <genjix> £2 DB
1104 2010-12-04 07:04:33 <genjix> :p weirdo
1105 2010-12-04 07:05:43 <theymos> Another feature request: importing and exporting keys and transactions to an "ASCII armor" format.
1106 2010-12-04 07:06:21 <MT`AwAy> mh
1107 2010-12-04 07:06:53 <MT`AwAy> by "keys" you mean "private keys" ?
1108 2010-12-04 07:07:10 <theymos> Yes.
1109 2010-12-04 07:07:30 <MT`AwAy> that's troublesome, I wasn't planning on allowing the separate process handling the wallet to give out private keys at all
1110 2010-12-04 07:07:40 <MT`AwAy> (ie the api was supposed to be as limited as possible)
1111 2010-12-04 07:08:05 <genjix> i must say that I do love the simplicity and elegance of the bitcoin client on a whole though :)
1112 2010-12-04 07:08:11 <genjix> it is very unix
1113 2010-12-04 07:08:17 <genjix> (do one thing, do it well)
1114 2010-12-04 07:08:36 <TheAncientGoat> Did you guys see that PayPal permanently closed Wikileaks' account?
1115 2010-12-04 07:09:09 <MT`AwAy> TheAncientGoat: it wasn't even wikileaks' paypal accounts, but organizations receiving on behalf of wikileaks
1116 2010-12-04 07:09:10 <genjix> yep. motherfuckers
1117 2010-12-04 07:09:20 <theymos> I wonder what Satoshi will say when you release you client. He has strongly discouraged the development of alternative clients.
1118 2010-12-04 07:09:33 <TheAncientGoat> MT`AwAy: Damn
1119 2010-12-04 07:09:40 <MT`AwAy> theymos: maybe if the client's code wasn't that messy, yeah
1120 2010-12-04 07:09:54 <MT`AwAy> anyway if bitcoin's protocol holds strong, it shouldn't be a problem
1121 2010-12-04 07:09:58 <genjix> why does he discourage alternative clients?
1122 2010-12-04 07:09:59 <TheAncientGoat> Time to go proslethise with bitcoin :P
1123 2010-12-04 07:10:21 <MT`AwAy> genjix: probably to be able to fix problems quickly if anything happens
1124 2010-12-04 07:10:28 <Kiba> TheAncientGoat: really?
1125 2010-12-04 07:10:40 <genjix> i see
1126 2010-12-04 07:10:42 <TheAncientGoat> Kiba: Really what?
1127 2010-12-04 07:10:44 <MT`AwAy> genjix: ie. if a new rule needs to be enforced to reject some kinds of bogus transactions, it's the only way
1128 2010-12-04 07:11:01 <genjix> why not have a bitcoind process
1129 2010-12-04 07:11:11 <genjix> and the clients are just dummy?
1130 2010-12-04 07:11:27 <Kiba> sorry
1131 2010-12-04 07:11:29 <Kiba> I meant
1132 2010-12-04 07:11:29 <MT`AwAy> genjix: anyway I'm planning on recoding the whole thing :p
1133 2010-12-04 07:11:32 <genjix> not sure of the term, but you understand- communicate through ipc
1134 2010-12-04 07:11:33 <Kiba> theymos: really?
1135 2010-12-04 07:11:50 <genjix> I'd prob make a KDE bitcoin app if that was the case.
1136 2010-12-04 07:11:56 <MT`AwAy> anyway the point of opensource is to have many people compete to do things better
1137 2010-12-04 07:12:02 <genjix> yep
1138 2010-12-04 07:12:03 <MT`AwAy> genjix: mine use Qt
1139 2010-12-04 07:12:11 <MT`AwAy> so it's kind of a KDE app
1140 2010-12-04 07:12:12 <genjix> Qt C++?
1141 2010-12-04 07:12:12 <Kiba> I would like better accounting
1142 2010-12-04 07:12:15 <MT`AwAy> genjix: yes
1143 2010-12-04 07:12:24 <genjix> ok
1144 2010-12-04 07:12:25 <Kiba> is it possible to mark your transaction?
1145 2010-12-04 07:12:27 <theymos> He's said that he will make breaking changes without regard for compatability with alt clients, and he doesn't want this to affect the way Bitcoin is percieved.
1146 2010-12-04 07:12:32 <genjix> but Qt is still not as pretty as KDE
1147 2010-12-04 07:12:47 <MT`AwAy> genjix: Qt *is* kde
1148 2010-12-04 07:12:56 <MT`AwAy> well, KDE's graphic toolkit is Qt
1149 2010-12-04 07:12:58 <genjix> no it's not
1150 2010-12-04 07:13:10 <genjix> right but KDE is Qt + more
1151 2010-12-04 07:13:25 <MT`AwAy> yes
1152 2010-12-04 07:13:49 <MT`AwAy> however if you compily my stuff it will look exactly the same as a KDE app
1153 2010-12-04 07:14:46 <MT`AwAy> anyway for now there's nothing to compile, I'm more on the planning phase
1154 2010-12-04 07:15:09 <genjix> ohhh i dont know :p
1155 2010-12-04 07:15:12 <MT`AwAy> [16:12:04] <theymos> He's said that he will make breaking changes without regard for compatability with alt clients <- as long as I release updates faster than people upgrade, it should be fine
1156 2010-12-04 07:15:32 <MT`AwAy> (and by following bitcoin's svn, I shouldn't have to worry too much)
1157 2010-12-04 07:16:02 <genjix> nice. GTK is ugly as hell on my system
1158 2010-12-04 07:16:07 <MT`AwAy> anyway I'm fed up of the bitcoin api that does not let me do stuff as I want to, and the almost-whole-code-in-a-single-file thing
1159 2010-12-04 07:17:09 <MT`AwAy> the bitcoin license is MIT/X11 and it's fine with me :)
1160 2010-12-04 07:17:27 <MT`AwAy> doesn't forbid alternative clients
1161 2010-12-04 07:18:00 <MT`AwAy> (also it may help having more impact in Japan)
1162 2010-12-04 07:18:18 <Kiba> you can write Japanese, MT`AwAy?
1163 2010-12-04 07:19:15 <MT`AwAy> yep, I can
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1165 2010-12-04 07:19:37 <MT`AwAy> but I'm not as fast as native japanese
1166 2010-12-04 07:19:51 <MT`AwAy> for my sites I have someone working here to write japanese translations
1167 2010-12-04 07:22:32 <Kiba> well
1168 2010-12-04 07:22:34 <Kiba> going to sleep
1169 2010-12-04 07:23:06 <MT`AwAy> (btw making a bitcoin client on my own will also allow me better understanding of bitcoin internals)
1170 2010-12-04 07:24:19 <Kiba> yes, that what we aspire to, right?
1171 2010-12-04 07:24:23 <theymos> Writing a client will be very difficult. Often huge features are hidden in a line or two of code.
1172 2010-12-04 07:24:26 <Kiba> really fricking duper understand how it work
1173 2010-12-04 07:24:51 <Kiba> then we can run off and code something like...
1174 2010-12-04 07:24:53 <Kiba> BitDNS
1175 2010-12-04 07:25:01 <MT`AwAy> theymos: yes, I know
1176 2010-12-04 07:25:07 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: that's part of my goal
1177 2010-12-04 07:25:17 <Kiba> we're going to change the world!
1178 2010-12-04 07:25:23 <MT`AwAy> my bitcoin client is made to be able to handle multiple chains in a single process
1179 2010-12-04 07:25:45 <MT`AwAy> ie. at first you'll be able to connect to both testnet & real bitcoin network if you want to
1180 2010-12-04 07:26:01 <MT`AwAy> (also thinking about someone's proposal to have a bitcoin forum included)
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1182 2010-12-04 07:26:29 <MT`AwAy> (ie. a P2P decentralized bitcoin forum, would however make moderation/flood protection difficult)
1183 2010-12-04 07:26:41 <theymos> Pay BTC per post.
1184 2010-12-04 07:27:09 <MT`AwAy> theymos: problem with that is "where do the BTC go?", answer would be "in whoever generate hashes' pocket :)
1185 2010-12-04 07:27:52 <Kiba> we have da knowledge, da expertise, and da intellignece.
1186 2010-12-04 07:28:01 <Kiba> to change da world
1187 2010-12-04 07:28:36 <MT`AwAy> "CORE: Support for loadable plugins (bitDNS, etc)"
1188 2010-12-04 07:29:21 <Kiba> send message?
1189 2010-12-04 07:30:26 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: I know how to put a message, however original bitcoin client will not be able to display it, since the feature seems to be already planned in the protocol I prefer waiting to see how Satoshi enables it
1190 2010-12-04 07:31:21 <theymos> How are messages planned?
1191 2010-12-04 07:32:09 <Kiba> GOOD NIGHT
1192 2010-12-04 07:32:31 <MT`AwAy> theymos: in the transaction scripting system
1193 2010-12-04 07:32:49 <theymos> Oh; just as OP_DROP? I don't think Satoshi ever intends to use those for messages.
1194 2010-12-04 07:33:05 <MT`AwAy> http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=script#transaction_with_a_message
1195 2010-12-04 07:33:11 <theymos> I wrote that.
1196 2010-12-04 07:33:11 <MT`AwAy> it's written as that in the wiki
1197 2010-12-04 07:33:14 <MT`AwAy> ok
1198 2010-12-04 07:33:25 <theymos> I am not a developer. I was just explaining how it could be done.
1199 2010-12-04 07:34:04 <theymos> Nothing on the wiki is official. I wrote most of the technical stuff. Things like that are speculation.
1200 2010-12-04 07:34:41 <MT`AwAy> I see
1201 2010-12-04 07:35:21 <MT`AwAy> well, OP_DROP does not make obvious the previous thing was a message
1202 2010-12-04 07:35:51 <MT`AwAy> and I will not extend bitcoin script on my own
1203 2010-12-04 07:36:01 <MT`AwAy> (would require discussions first)
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1205 2010-12-04 07:36:50 <theymos> It's not backward-compatible, anyway. Current clients can't parse transactions that deviate from normal transactions, even if it's just with "constant OP_DROP".
1206 2010-12-04 07:38:14 <MT`AwAy> ok
1207 2010-12-04 07:38:55 <MT`AwAy> btw what happens with normal bitcoin client if it can't parse a transaction that is included in a block of the block chain?
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1209 2010-12-04 07:39:44 <theymos> The transaction can be included in blocks, but the recipient won't recognize it as their own. They'll just ignore it.
1210 2010-12-04 07:40:10 <theymos> Two modified clients could send messages to each other.
1211 2010-12-04 07:41:12 <MT`AwAy> I see
1212 2010-12-04 07:41:19 <MT`AwAy> however that's bad
1213 2010-12-04 07:41:46 <MT`AwAy> I think because of that it'll be impossible for normal clients to recognize funds that came from those transactions then
1214 2010-12-04 07:41:59 <theymos> Right.
1215 2010-12-04 07:42:12 <MT`AwAy> (ie receive with msg trx, then send to someone else with normal transaction)
1216 2010-12-04 07:42:21 <MT`AwAy> so I'll forget it for now
1217 2010-12-04 07:42:48 <MT`AwAy> btw the message could be encrypted with the receipient's public key, would then require the receipient's private key to read it
1218 2010-12-04 07:43:00 <MT`AwAy> (I think EC can do that, will have to check)
1219 2010-12-04 07:43:33 <theymos> It can't. ECDSA is sign-only. ByteCoin seems to think there is some possible hack for encryption, though. I wouldn't trust it without some serious academic review, though...
1220 2010-12-04 07:43:50 <MT`AwAy> mh
1221 2010-12-04 07:48:01 <MT`AwAy> and we can't have clients do DH exchanges through the blockchain, nobody wants to keep this kind of data
1222 2010-12-04 07:48:31 <MT`AwAy> well, we'll see later
1223 2010-12-04 07:49:04 <theymos> I think Satoshi does have something in mind. There's a reference in the code to a not-yet-completed "subscriptions and broadcast system", which might be some sort of message system.
1224 2010-12-04 07:50:06 <MT`AwAy> we'll see once it's done then, no point in trying to guess something that may be implemented differently later. I'll work on making the bitcoin experience better before trying to improve the bitcoin protocol itself
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1233 2010-12-04 08:30:58 <Kiba> blegh
1234 2010-12-04 08:31:00 <Kiba> can't sleep
1235 2010-12-04 08:34:07 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: often happens to me
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1239 2010-12-04 08:57:41 <genjix> dot-p2p: "We currently believe the best way to create a stable environment for TLDs is to enact a central authority. We know this will cause much argument within the community, but we have made the decision that we believe will be best for the continued development of this project."
1240 2010-12-04 08:57:46 <genjix> bs
1241 2010-12-04 08:59:07 <Kiba> TIME
1242 2010-12-04 08:59:11 <Kiba> to implement BitDNS
1243 2010-12-04 08:59:13 <genjix> they just want to add another root server
1244 2010-12-04 08:59:37 <Kiba> genjix: I knew it. If there was a prediction market..I would have won 1000 BTCs
1245 2010-12-04 08:59:38 <genjix> how many alternative dns roots do we have?
1246 2010-12-04 08:59:57 <MT`AwAy> genjix: on internet, I'd say close to an infinite :D
1247 2010-12-04 09:00:43 <MT`AwAy> for example OVH, wikileaks' current bandwidth provider, has its own .ovh that works if you put their root
1248 2010-12-04 09:02:49 <bonsaikitten> Kiba: bitdns won't solve the issue
1249 2010-12-04 09:03:05 <bonsaikitten> MT`AwAy: ovh also has some pretty amazing insanity they give to customers
1250 2010-12-04 09:03:15 <genjix> i dont see why a p2p dns wont work
1251 2010-12-04 09:03:19 <bonsaikitten> I wouldn't see them as a good example of how to do things
1252 2010-12-04 09:03:32 <bonsaikitten> genjix: you say you own ebay.p2p, I say I own it too. Who is right?
1253 2010-12-04 09:03:39 <jgarzik> exactly
1254 2010-12-04 09:03:42 <genjix> the majority is right
1255 2010-12-04 09:04:21 <genjix> and shitty websites with good domains fall out of favour
1256 2010-12-04 09:05:16 <MT`AwAy> [18:02:56] <bonsaikitten> I wouldn't see them as a good example of how to do things <- I never said they were a good example, I said they were an example of "yet another entity trying to make its own tld by having people change their dns"
1257 2010-12-04 09:05:39 <jgarzik> bitdns -would- work: allocate DNS namespace in a defined fashion, using bitcoin's proof-of-work system. miners receive small ranges of namespace (a.p2p - z.p2p, aa.p2p - az.p2p, ...) for each block. DNS updates (== transactions) are handled using public key signatures.
1258 2010-12-04 09:05:50 <Kiba> I don't know shit
1259 2010-12-04 09:05:54 <Kiba> and I want to implement it..
1260 2010-12-04 09:06:01 <genjix> that sounds sexy
1261 2010-12-04 09:06:13 <jgarzik> maybe hardcode alexa top 5000 domains, and prevent allocation of those.
1262 2010-12-04 09:06:18 <genjix> and they allocate the subdomains, right?
1263 2010-12-04 09:06:25 <bonsaikitten> MT`AwAy: they don't even understand software ;)
1264 2010-12-04 09:06:37 <jgarzik> genjix: no, domain owner allocates sub-domain, as they do today.
1265 2010-12-04 09:06:38 <MT`AwAy> bonsaikitten: and they don't understand network administration either
1266 2010-12-04 09:06:41 <Kiba> I say...
1267 2010-12-04 09:06:47 <Kiba> WE SHOULD TAKE the glory.
1268 2010-12-04 09:06:48 <MT`AwAy> (which is a little bad for an ISP)
1269 2010-12-04 09:06:56 <jgarzik> genjix: miners generate a top-level domain, on top of a TLD (.p2p)
1270 2010-12-04 09:06:56 <bonsaikitten> jgarzik: so if I somehow get "e" by accident then I will than be able to claim all domains starting with e?
1271 2010-12-04 09:07:03 <bonsaikitten> that sounds like a really bad strategy
1272 2010-12-04 09:07:12 <bonsaikitten> MT`AwAy: but TEH CHEAPZ0RZ
1273 2010-12-04 09:07:14 <jgarzik> bonsaikitten: no, you get a small range
1274 2010-12-04 09:07:26 <MT`AwAy> bonsaikitten: yep, true, that's the only reason why I still have some servers there
1275 2010-12-04 09:07:27 <bonsaikitten> ugh
1276 2010-12-04 09:07:39 <bonsaikitten> MT`AwAy: want to migrate? ;)
1277 2010-12-04 09:07:44 <jgarzik> bonsaikitten: a-z.p2p == a.p2p, b.p2p, c.p2p, etc. That's not a prefix, that's the entire domain.
1278 2010-12-04 09:07:47 <MT`AwAy> bonsaikitten: I already migrated to various places
1279 2010-12-04 09:07:50 <genjix> i see
1280 2010-12-04 09:07:52 <jgarzik> bonsaikitten: when I register e.com, I don't also own ee.com.
1281 2010-12-04 09:08:03 <MT`AwAy> jgarzik: still a bad idea
1282 2010-12-04 09:08:14 <genjix> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenNIC
1283 2010-12-04 09:08:17 <jgarzik> why?
1284 2010-12-04 09:08:20 <genjix> this has been around for ages
1285 2010-12-04 09:08:25 <Myckel> remove the TLD while in the process.. its bullshit
1286 2010-12-04 09:08:26 <bonsaikitten> genjix: stop making sense ;)
1287 2010-12-04 09:08:32 <MT`AwAy> genjix: people "mining" and getting domains they have no use for?
1288 2010-12-04 09:08:57 <jgarzik> MT`AwAy: it's a commodity, just like bitcoins. the presumption is that miners will sell most of their mined domains on an open market.
1289 2010-12-04 09:09:11 <genjix> MT`AwAy: yep i got what jgarzik said
1290 2010-12-04 09:09:22 <genjix> i thought it was subdomains
1291 2010-12-04 09:09:23 <Myckel> make a hash the domain, private key is the ownership.
1292 2010-12-04 09:10:13 <jgarzik> MT`AwAy: there is a clear market for three-letter domains, four-letter domains, etc. as soon as a new TLD appears, domain parkers and investors and others snarf them all up.
1293 2010-12-04 09:10:46 <MT`AwAy> jgarzik: not so true :p
1294 2010-12-04 09:10:57 <MT`AwAy> ie, if you ever want a 2 letter domain, there are tons available
1295 2010-12-04 09:11:11 <MT`AwAy> (I'm not monitoring 3/4 letters since there's too many of those)
1296 2010-12-04 09:11:28 <genjix> does it generate the tld's sequentially?
1297 2010-12-04 09:11:42 <genjix> a -> z aa -> zz aaa -> zzz ...
1298 2010-12-04 09:12:10 <bonsaikitten> it's an inherently unfair system imo
1299 2010-12-04 09:12:13 <genjix> but i suppose it can be set to max speed
1300 2010-12-04 09:12:15 <jgarzik> genjix: yes... but it doesn't have to.
1301 2010-12-04 09:12:21 <bonsaikitten> the idea of p2p is to give everyone voice
1302 2010-12-04 09:12:28 <genjix> bonsaikitten: like the current dns is fair? :p
1303 2010-12-04 09:12:41 <jgarzik> genjix: it can be any allocation algorithm you'd like
1304 2010-12-04 09:12:44 <bonsaikitten> genjix: mostly yes
1305 2010-12-04 09:13:01 <bonsaikitten> get one domain, provide as many subdomains as you want at a price you want
1306 2010-12-04 09:13:18 <jgarzik> with DNS, you get a choice: random hash-generated names for free, or _some_ sort of central authority issuing names and monitoring ownership.
1307 2010-12-04 09:13:52 <genjix> why dont domainnames decay?
1308 2010-12-04 09:14:05 <jgarzik> genjix: they could. that was one proposal in the BitDNS thread.
1309 2010-12-04 09:14:28 <MT`AwAy> well, bitcoin has a central authority too, so why not bitdns ?
1310 2010-12-04 09:14:32 <jgarzik> fundamentally with .p2p, you cannot give everyone a voice -and- have a stable naming for a site
1311 2010-12-04 09:14:56 <genjix> MT`AwAy: but that central authority is just for announcing new blocks, no?
1312 2010-12-04 09:15:37 <LobsterMan> sry:
1313 2010-12-04 09:15:37 <LobsterMan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6oAFlPLGA8
1314 2010-12-04 09:15:53 <genjix> jgarzik: i dont see why a stable name is so important. we have tools to confirm validity of sites (hash/keys)
1315 2010-12-04 09:16:15 <genjix> everyone should be able to fight for names and their piece of net territory :)
1316 2010-12-04 09:16:20 <jgarzik> bitcoin's only true central authority is the consensus of the miners on the P2P network. but maybe MT`AwAy refers to satoshi, and how the P2P network tends to follow his lead on shared, consensus rule-making.
1317 2010-12-04 09:16:44 <Kiba> Ok, I am done.
1318 2010-12-04 09:16:46 <MT`AwAy> jgarzik: yep, for example when it comes to transaction fees, acceptable blocks, transaction syntax, etc
1319 2010-12-04 09:16:53 * Kiba pledged 20 BTC.
1320 2010-12-04 09:16:58 <jgarzik> genjix: random users going to jgarzik.p2p won't already know my pubkey, they'll just want to type 'jgarzik.p2p' into a browser and hit enter.
1321 2010-12-04 09:17:05 <Kiba> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2072.msg26744#new
1322 2010-12-04 09:17:05 <genjix> LobsterMan: much better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXbCwq4ewBU
1323 2010-12-04 09:17:12 <jgarzik> genjix: and users won't want a system where 'jgarzik.p2p' might be hijacked
1324 2010-12-04 09:18:16 <Kiba> ok folks...
1325 2010-12-04 09:18:17 <LobsterMan> genjix ;]
1326 2010-12-04 09:18:31 <LobsterMan> t minus 3 to 4:20
1327 2010-12-04 09:18:31 <LobsterMan> $time == 04:17:55
1328 2010-12-04 09:18:32 <LobsterMan> ;]
1329 2010-12-04 09:18:35 <LobsterMan> t-2
1330 2010-12-04 09:18:37 <LobsterMan> ;
1331 2010-12-04 09:19:14 <Kiba> maaann.. At this rate, I won't be able to pledge more. Gottach prove my value to the bitcoin economy.
1332 2010-12-04 09:19:19 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: if I ever implement a bitcoin-based dns system, it'll work differently for various reasons
1333 2010-12-04 09:19:30 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: if you want I can sell you btc for paypal
1334 2010-12-04 09:19:31 <MT`AwAy> :D
1335 2010-12-04 09:19:33 <jgarzik> people have learned from the Tor network that hash-based names for sites are distinctly user-unfriendly. So I don't see calls for naming schemes such as 1234abcd1234defa1234abcd.p2p as realistic.
1336 2010-12-04 09:19:42 <genjix> i see
1337 2010-12-04 09:19:44 <Kiba> jgarzik: no sire.
1338 2010-12-04 09:19:50 <genjix> yep i use freenet and see that too
1339 2010-12-04 09:20:42 <jgarzik> decentralized control over DNS namespace is an interesting problem
1340 2010-12-04 09:21:16 <MT`AwAy> maybe I'll just implement my vision once I finish my bitcoin client :p
1341 2010-12-04 09:21:19 <Kiba> well...no skills...no way. :(
1342 2010-12-04 09:21:19 <LobsterMan> $time == 04:20:43
1343 2010-12-04 09:21:21 <LobsterMan> ;]
1344 2010-12-04 09:21:32 <Kiba> plus, I got other fish to fry
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1346 2010-12-04 09:21:47 <Kiba> so I am going to trade money for developer time for it.
1347 2010-12-04 09:21:55 <genjix> damn! fucking dns
1348 2010-12-04 09:21:57 <Kiba> davision of labour!
1349 2010-12-04 09:23:11 <Kiba> maybe I should work as furious as I can this Saturday
1350 2010-12-04 09:24:04 <Myckel> jgarzik, why not keep hashing untill you find the name you want?
1351 2010-12-04 09:24:41 <Kiba> that will take fricking forever, Myckel
1352 2010-12-04 09:24:42 <Kiba> I think
1353 2010-12-04 09:24:48 <Myckel> you could open up a whole market by just generating hashes
1354 2010-12-04 09:25:01 <jgarzik> there are a lot of ways BitDNS could work.
1355 2010-12-04 09:25:22 <jgarzik> Myckel: that would turn out a bit differently than the current proof-of-work scheme, though, I think
1356 2010-12-04 09:25:37 <Myckel> lets say I hash cocacola.p2p and coca cola wants to buy it, I can sell it to them.
1357 2010-12-04 09:25:37 <jgarzik> certainly possible, though
1358 2010-12-04 09:26:04 <Kiba> hmm
1359 2010-12-04 09:26:10 <jgarzik> it's possible to simply permit people to request names, and adopt a first-come, first-served allocation policy.
1360 2010-12-04 09:26:48 <genjix> jgarzik: ok why won't this work: each node has a rotating dns database (less-requested entries decay off the list). you request an address from 10 others. if they mismatch then request from 10 more others until mismatch drops below < 2%. Then start pushing that address out to fight the incorrect info.
1361 2010-12-04 09:26:50 <jgarzik> prevent requests for alexa top 5000 (hard code those to a single pubkey, held by a satoshi-type), just to be nice, as suggested on dot-p2p
1362 2010-12-04 09:27:42 <jgarzik> genjix: not sure what you mean by mismatch
1363 2010-12-04 09:27:48 <MT`AwAy> jgarzik: that's my idea here, mining generates "name requests" (you get for example 10 name req credits per block + 0.1 per spent unit), and each domain has a cost known to all clients, each domain valid for X blocks (have to spend more credits then)
1364 2010-12-04 09:27:59 <genjix> the IP's don't match for that requested domain
1365 2010-12-04 09:28:03 <LobsterMan> try this:
1366 2010-12-04 09:28:03 <LobsterMan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_cwiHtN6ds
1367 2010-12-04 09:28:12 <MT`AwAy> unlike bitcoins, the number of generated name credits is stable, and spent credits are lost (except for a small part rewarding generators)
1368 2010-12-04 09:28:47 <genjix> I say < 2%, but actually I mean do an information entropy until it's sufficiently low
1369 2010-12-04 09:29:18 <jgarzik> genjix: you're thinking about the DNS-serving end? IMO, once you decide what's in a "BitDNS block", the rest falls out naturally. it's a shared, decentralized, replicated database.
1370 2010-12-04 09:29:42 <jgarzik> NS, A, AAAA are just data associated with a domain
1371 2010-12-04 09:30:33 <genjix> i see
1372 2010-12-04 09:31:52 <genjix> ok how about something like this
1373 2010-12-04 09:32:05 <genjix> max length for a domain name = 128 chars
1374 2010-12-04 09:32:18 * jgarzik wrote an authoritative DNS server from scratch, to prove a point, once :)
1375 2010-12-04 09:32:25 <jgarzik> genjix: 63
1376 2010-12-04 09:32:27 <MT`AwAy> genjix: max length is 63 chars
1377 2010-12-04 09:32:38 <genjix> ok it can be anything, lets say 63
1378 2010-12-04 09:32:47 <MT`AwAy> jgarzik: I wrote such a thing too
1379 2010-12-04 09:32:56 <jgarzik> if it isn't 63, it isn't DNS :)
1380 2010-12-04 09:33:33 <genjix> [ m ] [ y ] [ d ] [o ] ... [ . ] [ c ] [ o ] [ m ] [ nul ] [ nul ] [ nul ] ... [ nul ]
1381 2010-12-04 09:33:39 <genjix> like that
1382 2010-12-04 09:33:59 <genjix> except only tuples are encoded in blocks like (0, m, hash)
1383 2010-12-04 09:34:13 <genjix> you try to search mydomain.com
1384 2010-12-04 09:34:20 <genjix> fetch the hash
1385 2010-12-04 09:34:39 <genjix> *fetch the tuple sorry for each character
1386 2010-12-04 09:34:46 <Kiba> so..how does one modify a domain's detail?
1387 2010-12-04 09:34:53 <genjix> for each character once you get it
1388 2010-12-04 09:34:59 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: I believe domain change should cost domain credits
1389 2010-12-04 09:35:04 <MT`AwAy> (on my system)
1390 2010-12-04 09:35:13 <genjix> you calculate a bayesian analysis (what is chance this domain is correct given length of domain)
1391 2010-12-04 09:35:29 <genjix> (and chance of it being wrong- kind of like a hypothesis test)
1392 2010-12-04 09:35:36 <jgarzik> credits system is certainly interesting
1393 2010-12-04 09:35:54 <jgarzik> it prevents a major problem in other systems (including current one): flooding system with namespace requests
1394 2010-12-04 09:36:01 <genjix> then once you're reasonably sure the hashes match, then you use that hash to do a lookup for the ip on the p2p network
1395 2010-12-04 09:36:06 <genjix> and bam you have the IP address
1396 2010-12-04 09:36:23 <MT`AwAy> jgarzik: and you can have some domains more "expensive" to avoid overloading to be too fast
1397 2010-12-04 09:36:53 <jgarzik> genjix: it is pointless to go through the extra work of looking up an IP address on a P2P network, when you are already sharing and storing block data.
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1399 2010-12-04 09:37:17 <jgarzik> genjix: an "update IP address" operation is a transaction
1400 2010-12-04 09:37:18 <genjix> why?
1401 2010-12-04 09:38:10 <MT`AwAy> jgarzik: in my mind I see two options: "set ip address + MX" or "set NS servers"
1402 2010-12-04 09:38:28 <jgarzik> current DNS TLDs store: top-level domain name, NS records, and generally enough information to look up those NS's (A or AAAA records)
1403 2010-12-04 09:38:37 <genjix> you dont even need to process the characters in order
1404 2010-12-04 09:38:41 <jgarzik> why separate out the IP addresses on separate network?
1405 2010-12-04 09:38:43 <jgarzik> pointless and slow
1406 2010-12-04 09:39:08 <genjix> i see. well you get a validated hash and there has to be a way to lookup an ip from that
1407 2010-12-04 09:39:14 <genjix> so maybe it can be a p2p network
1408 2010-12-04 09:39:21 <genjix> with third party fast lookups
1409 2010-12-04 09:39:27 <jgarzik> MT`AwAy: I would just say "update record", and store addresses alongside NS records inside a per-toplevel-domain container
1410 2010-12-04 09:39:29 <genjix> but the p2p is the authority
1411 2010-12-04 09:40:12 <genjix> so you have your slow p2p dns lookup, but the users use dns servers which validate from the p2p network.
1412 2010-12-04 09:40:31 <genjix> that has no authority
1413 2010-12-04 09:40:41 <Kiba> each client had a cache of dns, right?
1414 2010-12-04 09:40:44 <MT`AwAy> jgarzik: because it may represent a lot of data
1415 2010-12-04 09:40:56 <MT`AwAy> [18:40:18] <Kiba> each client had a cache of dns, right? <- that's how it works on internet
1416 2010-12-04 09:41:07 <jgarzik> MT`AwAy: each record?
1417 2010-12-04 09:41:08 <MT`AwAy> there are already tons of caches around the world
1418 2010-12-04 09:41:30 <MT`AwAy> [18:40:44] <jgarzik> MT`AwAy: each record? <- some people may be happy having their whole domain pointing to their ip, some other might want some more esoteric configuration
1419 2010-12-04 09:41:36 <Kiba> well, it's not exactly trival to set your dns from an ISP provided one to a...cache
1420 2010-12-04 09:42:11 <jgarzik> MT`AwAy: what else is there to store besides NS records, and A/AAAA records necessary to look up said NS records?
1421 2010-12-04 09:42:13 <MT`AwAy> btw when I said "set NS servers" it also include glues
1422 2010-12-04 09:42:20 <jgarzik> MT`AwAy: we're talking a TLD DNS server here, not full bind
1423 2010-12-04 09:42:41 <MT`AwAy> jgarzik: inverse case: some people might want to /not/ host a dns server themselves (say, wikileaks?)
1424 2010-12-04 09:43:01 <MT`AwAy> jgarzik: the idea is to allow this kind of configuration too (whole domain points to one ip)
1425 2010-12-04 09:44:27 <MT`AwAy> and we might even add the option for people to have their bitcoin client act as a dyndns client
1426 2010-12-04 09:44:28 <jgarzik> MT`AwAy: <shrug> It's up to the people running .p2p TLD servers, I suppose, whether they want to do full DNS hosting or just standard TLD service. Personally I think full DNS hosting would increase incentive to attempt entire-TLD takedown.
1427 2010-12-04 09:44:53 <MT`AwAy> jgarzik: I'm talking about a bitcoin-based decentralized dns system, not .p2p
1428 2010-12-04 09:45:26 <jgarzik> that's a lot of data to store on each p2p client
1429 2010-12-04 09:45:37 <MT`AwAy> jgarzik: not that much
1430 2010-12-04 09:45:44 <MT`AwAy> less data than NS records in fact
1431 2010-12-04 09:45:49 <MT`AwAy> since we'd limit it to a single ip
1432 2010-12-04 09:46:05 <Kiba> NIGHTY NIGHT. For real this time, I hope.
1433 2010-12-04 09:46:10 <MT`AwAy> 4 bytes for ipv4, 16 bytes for ipv6
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1435 2010-12-04 09:46:15 <MT`AwAy> dns servers info takes more than that
1436 2010-12-04 09:47:13 <jgarzik> sure, but is that a system people will want -- just one IP, or do your own DNS? I'm not so certain just-one-IP would see significant usage in that scenario.
1437 2010-12-04 09:47:23 <MT`AwAy> we can allow free update of a domain's info if last update was more than, like, 144 blocks away (~one day), and allow updates "right now" by having ppl pay for it
1438 2010-12-04 09:47:46 <MT`AwAy> [18:46:50] <jgarzik> sure, but is that a system people will want <- that's why there's both, and room for more if we see it doesn't require too much space
1439 2010-12-04 09:48:16 <MT`AwAy> can't really argue about this before we see how people really feel about that
1440 2010-12-04 09:48:58 <MT`AwAy> ("this" being using non-dns setup of domain, "that" being the whole bitdns thing)
1441 2010-12-04 09:50:45 <MT`AwAy> anyway, I'll think about it if by the time i finish my bitcoin client nobody did bitdns yet
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1443 2010-12-04 09:53:53 * jgarzik has been thinking about "libgenpow", a generalized proof-of-work bitcoin-like algorithm
1444 2010-12-04 09:54:24 <jgarzik> manage blocks, block chains and block hashing, but leaves the details to the implementor
1445 2010-12-04 09:59:10 <MT`AwAy> jgarzik: could be almost as my "loadable module support" thing, except the other way around (and I'll also provide to the module ability to expose its own api functions, and interact with the gui)Ã
1446 2010-12-04 10:00:23 <jgarzik> MT`AwAy: certainly
1447 2010-12-04 10:01:14 <MT`AwAy> anyway, for now it's just talk, I'll have tons of lines to write before it becomes useful
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1450 2010-12-04 10:37:42 <btcex> jgarzik: hi! can you add JPY to bitcoinwatch?
1451 2010-12-04 10:39:00 <jgarzik> btcex: that's on this weekend's todo list
1452 2010-12-04 10:39:10 <btcex> ok
1453 2010-12-04 11:27:25 <btcex> anyone use skype for linux?
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1455 2010-12-04 11:33:13 <Xunie> btcex, I do.
1456 2010-12-04 11:34:09 <Xunie> I wonder if Wikileaks will adapt Bitcoin. heh
1457 2010-12-04 11:34:12 <btcex> I read a rumor that they have cease to develop a client for Linux
1458 2010-12-04 11:34:27 <Xunie> Might be a bad idea, because the US government will take down us too!
1459 2010-12-04 11:35:00 <Xunie> btcex, skype for linux is quite slow. I should start using SIP instead but the sound quality of those codecs suck.
1460 2010-12-04 11:35:10 <btcex> Xunie: slow?
1461 2010-12-04 11:35:28 <Xunie> "slow" as in slow to be released, old version, etc
1462 2010-12-04 11:35:43 <btcex> I use an old laptop 1 GHz without lags
1463 2010-12-04 11:36:04 <Xunie> Well, I meant the development speed, not the speed of the application.
1464 2010-12-04 11:36:39 <btcex> Yes, exactly. And like they all stopped development. Maybe they did it long ago but the hearing was held today.
1465 2010-12-04 11:36:41 <nathan7> Hi Xunie.
1466 2010-12-04 11:36:46 <Xunie> I want to have a P2P voip application.
1467 2010-12-04 11:36:56 <nathan7> Hrm, what happened to niekie and all?
1468 2010-12-04 11:37:07 <Xunie> nathan7, I don't know, he's busy with life, I guess.
1469 2010-12-04 11:37:12 <nathan7> Heh
1470 2010-12-04 11:37:34 <nathan7> ..what, my ops are gone
1471 2010-12-04 11:37:58 * nathan7 curses the retard who DDoS'd this datacenter
1472 2010-12-04 11:39:09 <Xunie> People who DDoS usually have some form of problem. Like the US government.
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1474 2010-12-04 12:25:28 <btcex> What will happen in 2145 when the generation of 21M will be completed? Where the transaction will be recorded after generation will be finished?
1475 2010-12-04 12:27:33 <Xunie> btcex, generation will never be finished.
1476 2010-12-04 12:27:41 <btcex> Xunie: why?
1477 2010-12-04 12:27:47 <Xunie> Every 4 years the block price will halve.
1478 2010-12-04 12:28:03 <Xunie> Say I generate a block now, I get 50 BTC, in 4 years, I'll get 25, then in 4 I'll get 12.5, etc.
1479 2010-12-04 12:28:03 <btcex> it is no reason continue a generation after 21M
1480 2010-12-04 12:28:11 <Xunie> Yes there is, transaction fees.
1481 2010-12-04 12:28:28 <btcex> Aaa
1482 2010-12-04 12:28:34 <[Noodles]> without generating blocks, we cant do any transactions
1483 2010-12-04 12:28:51 <Xunie> Yep, and because the price halves every 4 years, we'll approach 21 M bitcoins.
1484 2010-12-04 12:29:12 <btcex> [Noodles]: yes, that's why asked
1485 2010-12-04 12:29:17 <btcex> [Noodles]: yes, that's why I am asked
1486 2010-12-04 12:29:17 <Xunie> Although, we CAN divide bitcoins up to the 8th decimal place, and move the period/comma if we need to.
1487 2010-12-04 12:29:33 <[Noodles]> you (or your grand-kids) just dont get coins anymore for generating, it has to be done anyway
1488 2010-12-04 12:29:40 <Xunie> Anyhow, Bitcoins are only gonna get scarcer and scarcer and the price will go up, as long as there's demand ofcourse.
1489 2010-12-04 12:29:47 <Xunie> [Noodles], Infact, they can.
1490 2010-12-04 12:30:03 <Xunie> If they generate a block, the price will be extremely low.
1491 2010-12-04 12:30:37 <Xunie> But, you gotta see bitcoin like a gold mine. When gold (bitcoins) get's too hard to mine (generate) mines close because it's not financially profitable.
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1493 2010-12-04 12:31:20 <Xunie> Until gold get more scarce, they'll start mining again.
1494 2010-12-04 12:31:35 <btcex> and difficulty will decrease, as will be willing to generate enough?
1495 2010-12-04 12:32:19 <Xunie> Well, difficulty is only a control mechanism to generate a block every 10 minutes.
1496 2010-12-04 12:34:09 <Xunie> "willing to generate enough"?
1497 2010-12-04 12:35:14 <Xunie> If the difficulty decreases, the network does so because the network was too slow.
1498 2010-12-04 12:35:24 <btcex> Xunie: Difficulty will decrease when the generation of meaningless.
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1500 2010-12-04 12:35:35 <Xunie> How ever, that does not stop the block value being halved every 4 years.
1501 2010-12-04 12:37:04 <Xunie> btcex, ehh, what?
1502 2010-12-04 12:39:30 <btcex> I was wondering would it make sense to generate after 21M?
1503 2010-12-04 12:39:36 <btcex> answer: yes
1504 2010-12-04 12:39:41 <btcex> for fees
1505 2010-12-04 12:39:45 <btcex> yep?
1506 2010-12-04 12:40:07 <[Noodles]> and to secure your own coins and transactions
1507 2010-12-04 12:40:08 <btcex> runglush, sorry :)
1508 2010-12-04 12:40:22 <btcex> [Noodles]: +1!
1509 2010-12-04 12:40:34 <btcex> it is questions from btcex.com customer
1510 2010-12-04 12:40:38 <btcex> thanks!
1511 2010-12-04 12:40:58 <[Noodles]> does he plan to generate in 2120? :o)
1512 2010-12-04 12:42:26 <btcex> [Noodles]: Maybe he wants to accurately estimate the price of bitcoin to make a successful gambling on exchange :)
1513 2010-12-04 12:44:06 <[Noodles]> noone gets bitcoins, or money for running SETI/Boinc and still people do it, people do lots of stuff if you give them a good reason, if secure cash isn't a good reason, i dont know what is
1514 2010-12-04 12:44:40 <[Noodles]> even without a reward or fees it would be a good thing todo
1515 2010-12-04 12:44:52 <altamic> [Noodles]: good point
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1519 2010-12-04 12:50:49 <btcex> [Noodles]: yes, it is good point
1520 2010-12-04 13:00:01 <nathan7> noodles.
1521 2010-12-04 13:00:13 * nathan7 taps Xunie and mutters '+o'
1522 2010-12-04 13:02:50 <Xunie> nathan7, that'd be one rupee in BTC, for one extra rupee in BTC you get free fortune telling!
1523 2010-12-04 13:02:58 <nathan7> Heh
1524 2010-12-04 13:03:11 <nathan7> I have 0 BTC, that's about 1 rupee, right? =p
1525 2010-12-04 13:06:28 <bonsaikitten> within the limits of numerical rounding ;)
1526 2010-12-04 13:06:48 <MT`AwAy> nathan7: you could easily have 0.05 btc
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1528 2010-12-04 13:07:27 <nathan7> =p
1529 2010-12-04 13:08:12 <MT`AwAy> https://bitcoin.in/forum/index.php/topic,4.0.html <- open for comments (no it's not the official bitcoin board, I know)
1530 2010-12-04 13:09:12 <nathan7> Qt :D
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1532 2010-12-04 13:10:19 <MT`AwAy> nathan7: yup
1533 2010-12-04 13:10:30 <MT`AwAy> no boost
1534 2010-12-04 13:10:48 <nathan7> :O
1535 2010-12-04 13:11:00 <nathan7> I don't see anything wrong with boost
1536 2010-12-04 13:11:11 <MT`AwAy> it makes your compilation use 2GB ram
1537 2010-12-04 13:11:39 <MT`AwAy> I usually compile with -j15 since I have 16 cores, however for bitcoin it froze my computer and used all my ram & swap
1538 2010-12-04 13:11:47 <MT`AwAy> I only have 8GB ram :(
1539 2010-12-04 13:13:46 <Myckel> 16 cores and only 2GB ram...
1540 2010-12-04 13:14:13 <Myckel> ah.
1541 2010-12-04 13:14:16 <Myckel> nevermind
1542 2010-12-04 13:14:20 <MT`AwAy> anyway, Qt provides most of the features I'll ever need here
1543 2010-12-04 13:15:47 <bonsaikitten> sanity! :)
1544 2010-12-04 13:16:56 <MT`AwAy> features requests are welcome, wether they make it or not to the first stable release will be decided as soon as proposals are done
1545 2010-12-04 13:18:09 <MT`AwAy> I think the wallet program will be a separate binary, to make things really isolated (will avoid having complex stuff such as Qt in memory)
1546 2010-12-04 13:19:30 <Hogofwar> help inbuilt into bitcoin?
1547 2010-12-04 13:21:31 <MT`AwAy> help?
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1549 2010-12-04 13:21:55 <Hogofwar> Yes
1550 2010-12-04 13:22:03 <Hogofwar> would be better for end users
1551 2010-12-04 13:22:27 <MT`AwAy> oh, inline help?
1552 2010-12-04 13:22:28 <Hogofwar> Explaining things in bitcoin (i know there is an online version)
1553 2010-12-04 13:22:39 <MT`AwAy> well, I note that for the GUI
1554 2010-12-04 13:23:01 <Hogofwar> Maybe move the khashes/s to the righta nd put hovering over status info in the status bar
1555 2010-12-04 13:23:38 <MT`AwAy> I haven't decided how the status bar will be yet, however there'll be no khashes/s there since I'm not planning [yet] to include mining
1556 2010-12-04 13:23:55 <MT`AwAy> or maybe I could let the miners inform bitcoin of their current khash/sec and display it in gui
1557 2010-12-04 13:24:14 <MT`AwAy> btw I'm thinking of naming this one qbitcoin (qt bitcoin)
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1562 2010-12-04 13:43:28 <DreadKnight> my bitcoin is generating a new address each time I start the computer... how the heck to I delete addresses?
1563 2010-12-04 13:44:08 <DreadKnight> d*
1564 2010-12-04 13:45:48 <[Noodles]> you can't, once created, it's your forever
1565 2010-12-04 13:45:54 <[Noodles]> *yours
1566 2010-12-04 13:47:40 <MT`AwAy> :p
1567 2010-12-04 13:48:46 <Myckel> shoot, he is going to create all addresses... WE'RE DOOMED!
1568 2010-12-04 13:49:06 <[Noodles]> all of them? good luck ^.^
1569 2010-12-04 13:49:29 <MT`AwAy> it's a bit like wondering what will we do when we run out of sha256 hashes
1570 2010-12-04 13:50:30 <[Noodles]> what if the beach runs out of sand?
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1572 2010-12-04 13:55:51 <Myckel> Not everybody makes backups, so there will always new hashes available ;)
1573 2010-12-04 13:57:15 <[Noodles]> true, but that doesnt help much, the network cant say for sure if there's a backup somewhere, or not
1574 2010-12-04 13:57:52 <[Noodles]> that's also a reason we can't ever "recycle" lost coins
1575 2010-12-04 13:58:21 <MT`AwAy> :)
1576 2010-12-04 13:58:21 <[Noodles]> cuz noone knows, if theyr lost, or just locked up somewhere on a thumbdrive
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1579 2010-12-04 14:02:20 <btcex> DreadKnight: are you sure what its really generates new addredd after restart?
1580 2010-12-04 14:02:29 <btcex> address*
1581 2010-12-04 14:03:48 * Zarutian been reading discussions about paypal being now unacceptable way to recieve money due to what they did to wikileaks. More and more have pointed out bitcoin as an alternative, the question is, is bitcoin ready for such influx?
1582 2010-12-04 14:04:07 <Myckel> I think before we run out of hashes, we've already transferred to a different hashing mechanism
1583 2010-12-04 14:04:44 <Myckel> Zarutian, personally I think it will be a good test case for bitcoin.
1584 2010-12-04 14:05:33 <Myckel> I've read that already some people have terminated their account with paypal (with wikileaks as reason)
1585 2010-12-04 14:05:47 <[Noodles]> time will tell (about both, influx of paypal-refugees and left-over hashes :o))
1586 2010-12-04 14:07:05 <[Noodles]> i'd like to cancel my acc too, but i need it to trade L$ :/ could switch to moneybookers, but that's just as bad as paypal
1587 2010-12-04 14:07:18 <DreadKnight> btcex, I have a lot of them and I only made one myself
1588 2010-12-04 14:08:03 <btcex> DreadKnight: It is may be a bug
1589 2010-12-04 14:08:04 <DreadKnight> btcex, I keep seeing more and more each time
1590 2010-12-04 14:08:11 <Zarutian> ; bcs
1591 2010-12-04 14:08:23 <btcex> DreadKnight: you use gui version? whitout any CLI options?
1592 2010-12-04 14:08:26 <[Noodles]> DreadKnight: everytime you SEND bitcoins, your client creates a new address for the change, so if you got 10coins and send 1 to address A, client creates address B to send the left-over 9coins to yourself
1593 2010-12-04 14:09:10 <btcex> [Noodles]: everytime you SEND bitcoins, your client creates a new RECEIVE address?
1594 2010-12-04 14:09:11 <[Noodles]> so your address-book will grow over time, no matter what you do
1595 2010-12-04 14:09:24 <DreadKnight> btcex, GUI indeed; and activated "start bitcoin on window system startup", which sounds a bit lame.. window?
1596 2010-12-04 14:09:57 <DreadKnight> [Noodles], I never sent, only received like 6 times or so
1597 2010-12-04 14:10:25 <DreadKnight> fail
1598 2010-12-04 14:10:54 <[Noodles]> btcex: yes, you got a transaction of 10 coins, when you want to send 1coin, the client takes your 10coin-transaction, splits it to 1 for the receiver and 9 to yourself (to a new address)
1599 2010-12-04 14:10:55 <DreadKnight> having a constantly growing address book seems pretty weird/stupid to me
1600 2010-12-04 14:11:20 <DreadKnight> making new addresses seems to be an optional thing, not mandatory
1601 2010-12-04 14:11:48 <[Noodles]> that's how the system works, nothing to worry about
1602 2010-12-04 14:11:50 <btcex> DreadKnight: no, this is important thing in bitcoin design
1603 2010-12-04 14:12:36 <btcex> [Noodles]: DreadKnight and theese new address are displayed in field on main window?
1604 2010-12-04 14:12:46 <btcex> or only in address book?
1605 2010-12-04 14:13:30 <DreadKnight> btcex, in main window I have my main one.. and one that got selected by accident; so only 2 are in main window
1606 2010-12-04 14:13:37 <[Noodles]> you wont see the change-transaction for the left-over 9coins, just the address in your book
1607 2010-12-04 14:13:39 <DreadKnight> for receiving
1608 2010-12-04 14:14:19 <btcex> DreadKnight: ok, its all is ok
1609 2010-12-04 14:14:26 <btcex> ok ok ok okok ok kokokok :)
1610 2010-12-04 14:15:41 <[Noodles]> just dont care about it, you can use a single address til the end of days, or create a new address for each transaction, that's up to you
1611 2010-12-04 14:19:14 <DreadKnight> meh
1612 2010-12-04 14:20:02 <DreadKnight> it's weird; also weird is the total amount of money in the system... 21 mil. or so; not enough for the whole world, especially if there are people "inactive" or someone collects a lot of bitcoins :D
1613 2010-12-04 14:20:24 <[Noodles]> what would be "enough"? and why?
1614 2010-12-04 14:21:06 <DreadKnight> there needs to be more bt money totally; which makes a lot of sense if you think about it
1615 2010-12-04 14:21:12 <[Noodles]> not everyone needs 1bitcoin, if its worth a few thousand $, most would be glad to have 0.01
1616 2010-12-04 14:21:21 <DreadKnight> hehe
1617 2010-12-04 14:21:42 <DreadKnight> I see
1618 2010-12-04 14:22:07 <[Noodles]> and we have a few more than those 2decimals
1619 2010-12-04 14:22:10 <DreadKnight> so you would have to use 0.000001 to buy something
1620 2010-12-04 14:22:21 <[Noodles]> maybe, if we'r lucky ^.^
1621 2010-12-04 14:22:57 <altamic> DreadKnight: you suck at science
1622 2010-12-04 14:23:21 <DreadKnight> my money's country was like this: 10.000 to buy a bread; then they said there are too many zeros.. and cut 4 out .. and now you use 1 (leu) to buy a bread
1623 2010-12-04 14:23:29 <DreadKnight> altamic, not really
1624 2010-12-04 14:23:43 <[Noodles]> see? and we just add a few zeros
1625 2010-12-04 14:23:50 <[Noodles]> problem solved
1626 2010-12-04 14:23:56 <DreadKnight> :)
1627 2010-12-04 14:24:52 <DreadKnight> I'm pretty new to this; and I want to make sure it's worth considering in the future, because I could increase it's usage/adoption quite a bit in the long run
1628 2010-12-04 14:26:31 <DreadKnight> I still wonder what happens if the address book collects 1mil addresses or if I lose my bitcoin files (hdd fail for example)
1629 2010-12-04 14:26:53 <[Noodles]> losing files is a bad thing of course, your money will be gone too
1630 2010-12-04 14:27:23 <MT`AwAy> DreadKnight: losing wallet.dat = no money
1631 2010-12-04 14:27:28 <DreadKnight> xD
1632 2010-12-04 14:27:35 <MT`AwAy> for info my wallet.dat after some abuse grew to ~600MB
1633 2010-12-04 14:27:41 <MT`AwAy> (I abused it myself)
1634 2010-12-04 14:27:53 <btcex> http://images.fastcompany.com/upload/How-to-make-money-web-10001.jpg
1635 2010-12-04 14:27:57 <[Noodles]> bitcoin is like cash, the paper-stuff, if you lose it, it's gone, it's up to you to make backups
1636 2010-12-04 14:28:17 <DreadKnight> so could I use multiple copies of my wallet to make bitcoints for myself? xD
1637 2010-12-04 14:28:34 <MT`AwAy> no
1638 2010-12-04 14:28:44 <MT`AwAy> you would see the same amount twice, but would be able to use it only once
1639 2010-12-04 14:29:07 <MT`AwAy> other clients would refuse your transactions going over your initial amount
1640 2010-12-04 14:30:19 <DreadKnight> :)
1641 2010-12-04 14:30:49 <altamic> bitcoin is a decentralized system that guarantees scarcity integrity of the units of account. This same fact ensures fairness and sound money. Any other system is subject to debasement.
1642 2010-12-04 14:31:56 <MT`AwAy> bitcoin is conceptually really simple: everyone knows about every single transactions, the address(es) it came from and where it went to, the only thing nobody knows is whose address are those
1643 2010-12-04 14:32:05 <MT`AwAy> that's the main reason why bitcoin makes up so many addresses
1644 2010-12-04 14:32:21 <Hogofwar> how many addresses can there possibly be?
1645 2010-12-04 14:32:35 <DreadKnight> MT`AwAy, so how did you fixed the 600mb thingy? sent all the money to a new address on another computer, then you got the wallet on yours or what? :P
1646 2010-12-04 14:32:42 <MT`AwAy> Hogofwar: something like 1461501637330902918203684832716283019655932542976 ?
1647 2010-12-04 14:32:49 <Hogofwar> awesome :P
1648 2010-12-04 14:33:13 <MT`AwAy> DreadKnight: that's the only option (I didn't "fix" it because I don't care, 600MB isn't much of a big deal)
1649 2010-12-04 14:33:21 <Hogofwar> Still can't get my bitcoin php program to connect
1650 2010-12-04 14:33:31 <MT`AwAy> maybe if more people have the same "problem" something will be added to purge useless addresses
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1652 2010-12-04 14:33:36 <MT`AwAy> Hogofwar: quite easy
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1654 2010-12-04 14:33:44 <MT`AwAy> just need curl+json and you're ready to go
1655 2010-12-04 14:33:51 <Hogofwar> >_>
1656 2010-12-04 14:34:05 <Hogofwar> Trying to use the json-rpc library
1657 2010-12-04 14:34:12 <Hogofwar> is it rpc or rcp?
1658 2010-12-04 14:34:14 <MT`AwAy> rpc
1659 2010-12-04 14:34:17 <MT`AwAy> remote procedure call
1660 2010-12-04 14:34:33 <Hogofwar> i always thing remote connection protocol
1661 2010-12-04 14:34:33 <DreadKnight> MT`AwAy, it's almost 1 movie big; considering if bitcoin becomes popular, it will get on phones and such; and 600mb is pretty big, considering backups, only transfer; almost the size of a dvd-rip movie; and I use tablet pcs and laptops which don't have that much of a hdd
1662 2010-12-04 14:35:03 <MT`AwAy> DreadKnight: chances is the current x86 bitcoin client will not work on phones anyway
1663 2010-12-04 14:35:29 <DreadKnight> MT`AwAy, I know; but it would be kinda stupid to have the same issue on phones or in the future
1664 2010-12-04 14:35:29 <MT`AwAy> and so, chances are it'll be possible to change the behaviour of bitcoin to match the ressources availability of phones
1665 2010-12-04 14:35:48 <DreadKnight> or low end devices :P
1666 2010-12-04 14:35:53 <Hogofwar> I guess i can try just json+cURL
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1668 2010-12-04 14:36:14 <MT`AwAy> Hogofwar: that's what I did, json-rpc is quite straightforward
1669 2010-12-04 14:36:28 <Hogofwar> Or just have phones connect to the bitcoin back home (or a service that people offer)
1670 2010-12-04 14:36:49 <DreadKnight> an online service would be nice
1671 2010-12-04 14:36:50 <MT`AwAy> Hogofwar: http://pastebin.com/TjaCiQgx
1672 2010-12-04 14:36:53 <Hogofwar> Well, my thing should work but it never connects properly to my bitcoind
1673 2010-12-04 14:37:03 <MT`AwAy> $id can be whatever you want (can be fixed too)
1674 2010-12-04 14:37:19 <Hogofwar> Thanks
1675 2010-12-04 14:37:26 <Hogofwar> I will rry it
1676 2010-12-04 14:37:35 <Hogofwar> Need to make sure my server actually has curl
1677 2010-12-04 14:38:02 <MT`AwAy> http://pastebin.com/yfxBAb03
1678 2010-12-04 14:38:21 <MT`AwAy> Hogofwar: if it doesn't, buy web hosting from me in bitcoins => http://www.kalyhost.com/?Currency=BTC
1679 2010-12-04 14:38:46 <Hogofwar> what's teh second pastebin link you gave me?
1680 2010-12-04 14:38:58 <MT`AwAy> Hogofwar: included the constructor
1681 2010-12-04 14:39:02 <MT`AwAy> with setup of curl
1682 2010-12-04 14:39:33 <MT`AwAy> also remember that by default bitcoind only accept connections from localhost and you need to add rpcallowip=* to allow everyone
1683 2010-12-04 14:39:45 <Hogofwar> yeah did that
1684 2010-12-04 14:39:55 <Hogofwar> so i should use the 2nd code you gave me?
1685 2010-12-04 14:40:20 <MT`AwAy> constructors takes an array with rpcuser rpcpassword & ip
1686 2010-12-04 14:40:37 <MT`AwAy> then you can call json_rpc_call with first parameter function name, and arguments as second parameter
1687 2010-12-04 14:41:07 <MT`AwAy> ie $this->json_rpc_call('sendtoaddress', array('1Eym7pyJcaambv8FG4ZoU8A4xsiL9us2zz', 123456)); to make me rich
1688 2010-12-04 14:41:31 <MT`AwAy> if the function fails an exception is thrown, if it successes, you get the result
1689 2010-12-04 14:42:35 <Hogofwar> does mirc not allow me to copy?
1690 2010-12-04 14:42:38 <Hogofwar> Bullshit
1691 2010-12-04 14:42:42 <Hogofwar> but yeah
1692 2010-12-04 14:42:47 <Hogofwar> thanks
1693 2010-12-04 14:43:13 <DreadKnight> ew, ppl still use mIRC?
1694 2010-12-04 14:43:34 <MT`AwAy> Hogofwar: it copies automatically when you select, just like xchat
1695 2010-12-04 14:43:39 <DreadKnight> well, I use xchat at whenever I select text..
1696 2010-12-04 14:43:40 <DreadKnight> bah
1697 2010-12-04 14:43:51 <Hogofwar> ooooh
1698 2010-12-04 14:43:54 <Hogofwar> thanks
1699 2010-12-04 14:44:04 <Hogofwar> How do i set my settings then?
1700 2010-12-04 14:44:32 <Hogofwar> probably ebing stupid
1701 2010-12-04 14:44:39 <Hogofwar> Haven't owrked with classes for ages
1702 2010-12-04 14:44:41 <MT`AwAy> Hogofwar: $instance = new foobar(array('rpcuser' => '', 'rpcpassword' => '', 'ip' => '')) <- I'll let you fill
1703 2010-12-04 14:44:56 <MT`AwAy> Hogofwar: also if you want to directly call json_rpc_call() you might want to make it public
1704 2010-12-04 14:45:10 <btcex> MT`AwAy: How good google translates the text interfaces to japanese?
1705 2010-12-04 14:45:27 <btcex> may be translate it by google translator? :)
1706 2010-12-04 14:45:41 <MT`AwAy> google sucks at japanese
1707 2010-12-04 14:45:48 <MT`AwAy> completly
1708 2010-12-04 14:45:52 <MT`AwAy> utterly
1709 2010-12-04 14:46:21 <DreadKnight> agree
1710 2010-12-04 14:46:42 <Hogofwar> Goddamn
1711 2010-12-04 14:46:48 <Hogofwar> what o i do with $instance now?
1712 2010-12-04 14:46:57 <Hogofwar> My brain is being slow, sorry
1713 2010-12-04 14:47:07 <MT`AwAy> $result = $instance->json_rpc_call('sendtoaddress', array('1Eym7pyJcaambv8FG4ZoU8A4xsiL9us2zz', 123456));
1714 2010-12-04 14:47:17 <Hogofwar> oooh
1715 2010-12-04 14:47:22 <MT`AwAy> then either it throws an exception (not enough money) and you get the transaction id in $result (and I'm rich)
1716 2010-12-04 14:47:31 <MT`AwAy> s/and/or/
1717 2010-12-04 14:48:01 <altamic> question. What is the (technical? opportunistic?) reason for t he collection of objects returned by list_received_by_account and list_received_by_address is not a transacion?
1718 2010-12-04 14:48:25 <altamic> s/transaction/a collection of transactions/
1719 2010-12-04 14:49:54 <MT`AwAy> altamic: I'm not sure I understand what you mean
1720 2010-12-04 14:50:06 <MT`AwAy> anyway if you have no use for the result of an API function, don't use it
1721 2010-12-04 14:50:11 <altamic> https://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=api
1722 2010-12-04 14:51:14 <altamic> compare fields of the list_transactions and list_received_by_account
1723 2010-12-04 14:51:55 <MT`AwAy> altamic: compare the arguments?
1724 2010-12-04 14:52:22 <altamic> return values
1725 2010-12-04 14:52:44 <MT`AwAy> I mean: compare the arguments
1726 2010-12-04 14:53:02 <MT`AwAy> well
1727 2010-12-04 14:53:07 <MT`AwAy> return values too
1728 2010-12-04 14:53:10 <MT`AwAy> that's two different functions
1729 2010-12-04 14:53:19 <altamic> let me reformulate my question
1730 2010-12-04 14:53:45 <MT`AwAy> one lists the addresses and how much each ever received
1731 2010-12-04 14:53:49 <MT`AwAy> the second lists the transactions
1732 2010-12-04 14:53:52 <MT`AwAy> those two have their own uses
1733 2010-12-04 14:54:38 <altamic> what is the resource (i.e. a noun) that you think is it appropriate to describe the collection of the list_received_by_account
1734 2010-12-04 14:55:04 <MT`AwAy> bitcoin addresses
1735 2010-12-04 14:55:51 <altamic> to describe the collection of the items returned by list_received_by_account
1736 2010-12-04 14:57:23 <altamic> ok
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1739 2010-12-04 14:59:40 <altamic> are you saying that a collection of obects with [account, amount, confirmation#] are equal to a collection of bitcoins adresses?
1740 2010-12-04 15:00:20 <MT`AwAy> what value do you get into acount?
1741 2010-12-04 15:00:22 <MT`AwAy> account*
1742 2010-12-04 15:00:25 <altamic> s/are/is/
1743 2010-12-04 15:00:31 <MT`AwAy> it's a label
1744 2010-12-04 15:00:47 <MT`AwAy> so it's almost that
1745 2010-12-04 15:02:40 <altamic> you confuse parameters with return values
1746 2010-12-04 15:02:56 <Kiba> hello folks
1747 2010-12-04 15:03:21 <altamic> howdy Kiba
1748 2010-12-04 15:04:48 <Kiba> bencoder: YO!
1749 2010-12-04 15:04:48 <MT`AwAy> altamic: "account" is a label
1750 2010-12-04 15:05:04 <MT`AwAy> altamic: just try using those functions and see what you get, will be easier
1751 2010-12-04 15:05:33 <altamic> I think you have not grasped my question
1752 2010-12-04 15:08:54 <MT`AwAy> altamic: I think your english is a bit difficult to grasp
1753 2010-12-04 15:09:25 <altamic> 2nd try. What is the most suitable noun to describe a collection of the items returned by a method called "list_received_by_account"
1754 2010-12-04 15:09:33 * btcex expert for strange english
1755 2010-12-04 15:09:40 <altamic> s/of the/of/
1756 2010-12-04 15:09:52 <altamic> I would say transaction
1757 2010-12-04 15:10:10 * Kiba goes clean up his artwork
1758 2010-12-04 15:12:41 <MT`AwAy> altamic: "accounts"
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1761 2010-12-04 15:16:05 <altamic> thank you MT`AwAy I am going deeper into it. I possibly have not clear what list_received_by_* are effectively doing
1762 2010-12-04 15:17:01 <altamic> since I thought they returned something similar to a list of payments
1763 2010-12-04 15:17:52 <Hogofwar> Does anyone have a windows-compiled binary of the latest SVN?
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1766 2010-12-04 15:20:01 <Hogofwar> no?
1767 2010-12-04 15:20:10 <xelister> Hogofwar: just bitcoind or bitcoin with gui
1768 2010-12-04 15:20:20 <Diablo-D3> xelister: I had a funny thought
1769 2010-12-04 15:20:30 <Diablo-D3> xelister: are you using a version of m0's patch that isnt recent?
1770 2010-12-04 15:20:43 <Kiba> hmm
1771 2010-12-04 15:21:12 <xelister> Diablo-D3: I use 186 + getwork patch
1772 2010-12-04 15:21:21 <xelister> 6b0f3d5d2286042c238341299ac5ad4f458c0803 getwork-latest.patch
1773 2010-12-04 15:21:22 <Hogofwar> both
1774 2010-12-04 15:21:29 <Hogofwar> if possible
1775 2010-12-04 15:21:35 <Diablo-D3> xelister: hrm, because m0 had a bug at one point that it wasnt incrementing extranonce
1776 2010-12-04 15:21:55 <Diablo-D3> xelister: ergo, two miners who grab shit at the exact same time get the same work
1777 2010-12-04 15:22:10 <xelister> Diablo-D3: his patch? what svn revision you use of bitcoind, and what sha1 of the getwork-latest.patch?
1778 2010-12-04 15:22:31 <Diablo-D3> dunno, and dunno
1779 2010-12-04 15:22:35 <xelister> Diablo-D3: but would that produce /this/ problem? where solution is found, but it is invalid
1780 2010-12-04 15:22:43 <xelister> Diablo-D3: well... svn info and sha1sum file .... ?
1781 2010-12-04 15:22:45 <Diablo-D3> xelister: in this case, it wouldnt be "invalid"
1782 2010-12-04 15:22:56 <Diablo-D3> it'd be duplicate
1783 2010-12-04 15:23:08 <xelister> but it is invalid, as your new validation code shows
1784 2010-12-04 15:23:17 <Diablo-D3> oh right
1785 2010-12-04 15:23:19 <Diablo-D3> it does doesnt it
1786 2010-12-04 15:23:20 <Diablo-D3> nm
1787 2010-12-04 15:23:22 <xelister> ok
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1789 2010-12-04 15:23:28 <xelister> btw, Im back to m0m's miner then
1790 2010-12-04 15:23:40 <Diablo-D3> you know how to hack m0's right?
1791 2010-12-04 15:23:43 <xelister> so far 1 block actually received by bitcoind / 1 block found by miner
1792 2010-12-04 15:23:51 <Diablo-D3> ... oh really?
1793 2010-12-04 15:23:58 <Diablo-D3> are you absolutely sure of this?
1794 2010-12-04 15:24:23 <xelister> yes, at least it shows up in debug.log (the new block) while for your blocks they where just not there (because they where invalidated)
1795 2010-12-04 15:24:36 <Diablo-D3> hrrrrm
1796 2010-12-04 15:24:38 <xelister> well 1/1 proves nothing, in a day there should be 3/3 or so
1797 2010-12-04 15:24:44 <Diablo-D3> xelister: use the testnet
1798 2010-12-04 15:24:45 <xelister> or 2/3 who knows
1799 2010-12-04 15:24:50 <xelister> hm. indeed
1800 2010-12-04 15:25:15 <Diablo-D3> you should be able to get a new block every few minutes or something
1801 2010-12-04 15:26:20 <xelister> 1/1
1802 2010-12-04 15:26:32 <xelister> actually 1/(0+1) since I run miner x2 for both devices
1803 2010-12-04 15:26:54 * xelister prepares a spanking cane for Diablo-D3's miner
1804 2010-12-04 15:27:41 <xelister> 4/(1+3)
1805 2010-12-04 15:28:26 <xelister> 6/(2+4)
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1809 2010-12-04 15:33:15 <xelister> 11/12(5+7)
1810 2010-12-04 15:33:29 <xelister> hmm I guess the last response was not sent to server in time or something
1811 2010-12-04 15:34:20 <xelister> anyway, at least 90% of found sollutions are reported correctly to bitcoind in m0m's and 50% in diablos
1812 2010-12-04 15:34:28 <xelister> Diablo-D3: it's officiall then
1813 2010-12-04 15:34:40 <xelister> your miner lost HALF OF MY COINS (around 200-300)
1814 2010-12-04 15:34:49 * xelister ragedonates -150 btc
1815 2010-12-04 15:34:50 <nathan7> :O
1816 2010-12-04 15:35:03 <Diablo-D3> xelister: try mine on testnet
1817 2010-12-04 15:35:12 <xelister> I did it yesterady afiar?
1818 2010-12-04 15:35:13 <xelister> but ok
1819 2010-12-04 15:36:01 <Hogofwar> is move still in the json api?
1820 2010-12-04 15:36:16 <Diablo-D3> xelister: that'd be awesome if my miner is exposing a client boog
1821 2010-12-04 15:37:18 <xelister> yes, Im so totally happy I sent 200 btc to crapper
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1823 2010-12-04 15:37:33 <Diablo-D3> well, you still use that broken driver
1824 2010-12-04 15:37:35 <Diablo-D3> so its really user error
1825 2010-12-04 15:38:09 <xelister> its recommended/officiall driver for ubuntu
1826 2010-12-04 15:38:13 <Diablo-D3> so?
1827 2010-12-04 15:38:17 <Diablo-D3> ubuntu is a broken distro
1828 2010-12-04 15:38:29 <xelister> it could be an ubuntu problem
1829 2010-12-04 15:38:46 <xelister> where on test net
1830 2010-12-04 15:39:58 <ccubed> I am trying to get my head around how the system works - Is it the case that every client needs a copy of every block generated?
1831 2010-12-04 15:40:11 <Diablo-D3> ccubed: yes.
1832 2010-12-04 15:40:27 <Diablo-D3> ccubed: otherwise you cant prove the chain has not been tampered with
1833 2010-12-04 15:40:27 <ccubed> Doesn't that present scaling issues if the bitcoins take off?
1834 2010-12-04 15:40:35 <Diablo-D3> possibly
1835 2010-12-04 15:40:56 <Diablo-D3> if it actually does end up causing problems, a better solution will have to be found
1836 2010-12-04 15:41:01 <Diablo-D3> ccubed: but as it stands
1837 2010-12-04 15:41:12 <Diablo-D3> I could take the entire world's electronic transactions
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1839 2010-12-04 15:41:21 <Diablo-D3> all credit cards, all bank transfers, everything
1840 2010-12-04 15:41:32 <Diablo-D3> and run it on the current cluster without much problem
1841 2010-12-04 15:41:48 <Diablo-D3> we'd run out of internet bandwidth long before processing power became a problem
1842 2010-12-04 15:42:43 <ccubed> Well I'm thinking of all scaling issues, not just disk space.
1843 2010-12-04 15:42:53 <xelister> the problem is it's O(n^2) transfers
1844 2010-12-04 15:43:24 <xelister> n*n*m (N=number of clients, m=avg. transactions done by client)
1845 2010-12-04 15:44:03 <xelister> well but that is the global network transfer... each person just uses n*m ... which is nothing compared to say downloading movies
1846 2010-12-04 15:44:31 <Diablo-D3> ccubed: we can buy more disk space, its the internet bandwidth
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1848 2010-12-04 15:44:45 <Diablo-D3> ccubed: it might accidently flood off shitty clients
1849 2010-12-04 15:44:48 <Kiba> wouldn't latency be a problem, Diablo-D3 ?
1850 2010-12-04 15:45:00 <Diablo-D3> Kiba: the fact we have 10 minute latency? maybe
1851 2010-12-04 15:45:08 <Diablo-D3> I suspect we'll see the rise of paypal-like bitcoin banks
1852 2010-12-04 15:45:19 <Diablo-D3> which would basically eliminate the overhead in the system
1853 2010-12-04 15:45:30 <Diablo-D3> since banks would settle balances between each other instead of individual users
1854 2010-12-04 15:46:57 <anarchyx> assange is a hero
1855 2010-12-04 15:47:05 <Diablo-D3> anarchyx: damned straight
1856 2010-12-04 15:47:10 <Diablo-D3> hes the best troll ever to live
1857 2010-12-04 15:47:17 <xelister> :]
1858 2010-12-04 15:47:20 <anarchyx> :)
1859 2010-12-04 15:47:22 <xelister> ok but how is he troll
1860 2010-12-04 15:47:26 <xelister> he is a reporter
1861 2010-12-04 15:47:31 <Diablo-D3> xelister: he managed to piss off EVERYBODY EVER FOREVER
1862 2010-12-04 15:47:39 <Diablo-D3> /b/ needs to take notes
1863 2010-12-04 15:47:47 <xelister> yeah but he is doing the good thing
1864 2010-12-04 15:47:51 <xelister> uncovers all shit
1865 2010-12-04 15:47:59 <Diablo-D3> trolling is not good OR bad
1866 2010-12-04 15:48:07 <xelister> uncovering shit is goo
1867 2010-12-04 15:48:08 <xelister> good
1868 2010-12-04 15:48:10 <Diablo-D3> I can troll BP, and thats good, but its still trolling
1869 2010-12-04 15:48:24 <anarchyx> its not trolling when you release unknown secrets
1870 2010-12-04 15:48:34 <anarchyx> despite media propaganda, its not all 'known' yet
1871 2010-12-04 15:48:38 <xelister> its not trolling when the balls aren't touching
1872 2010-12-04 15:48:38 <Diablo-D3> anarchyx: it is when you know exactly what delicious chaos it'll cause
1873 2010-12-04 15:48:53 <Diablo-D3> oh so delicious chaos, om nom nom nom
1874 2010-12-04 15:49:25 <anarchyx> i like the fact that he exposed that usa manipulated german not to prosecute the cia agents who kidnapped a citizen from them
1875 2010-12-04 15:49:42 <Diablo-D3> now, I may be overly cynical here but
1876 2010-12-04 15:49:47 <Diablo-D3> nothing leaked surprises me
1877 2010-12-04 15:49:48 <Diablo-D3> at all
1878 2010-12-04 15:49:57 <anarchyx> it shows that government is above legal system == worst nightmare
1879 2010-12-04 15:50:03 <Diablo-D3> one of the documents could say Cheney eats freshly born children
1880 2010-12-04 15:50:16 <Diablo-D3> and I would not be surprised
1881 2010-12-04 15:51:02 <anarchyx> the fact is that the current media no longer does its job
1882 2010-12-04 15:51:08 <anarchyx> at exposing and reporting
1883 2010-12-04 15:51:09 <Diablo-D3> it never did
1884 2010-12-04 15:51:15 <anarchyx> this guy finally does
1885 2010-12-04 15:51:19 <Diablo-D3> yes
1886 2010-12-04 15:51:32 <Diablo-D3> which makes him an epic troll that sets the bar very high for future epic trolls
1887 2010-12-04 15:51:35 <anarchyx> now theyre like oh noes a real reporter :P kill him
1888 2010-12-04 15:51:35 <Diablo-D3> and I salute him
1889 2010-12-04 15:52:27 <xelister> on test net... wait
1890 2010-12-04 15:52:33 <xelister> Diablo-D3's miner also has 9/9
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1893 2010-12-04 15:52:41 <Diablo-D3> xelister == FAIL
1894 2010-12-04 15:52:42 <xelister> well because it reports only successes
1895 2010-12-04 15:52:47 <xelister> no
1896 2010-12-04 15:52:49 <xelister> read above
1897 2010-12-04 15:52:56 <Diablo-D3> define only
1898 2010-12-04 15:53:08 <Diablo-D3> it'll report hardware fail too
1899 2010-12-04 15:53:12 <xelister> well the reall q. is then if m0m's report invalid's
1900 2010-12-04 15:53:22 <xelister> Diablo-D3: it spams me all the time with dozen of invalids
1901 2010-12-04 15:53:28 <xelister> question is what m0m's do
1902 2010-12-04 15:53:34 <Diablo-D3> hrrrm
1903 2010-12-04 15:53:41 <Diablo-D3> I dunno if m0's checks h == 0 or not
1904 2010-12-04 15:53:44 <Diablo-D3> check the code
1905 2010-12-04 15:53:51 <xelister> is it doing 10/10 found or 10/20 found including ones that are not checked
1906 2010-12-04 15:54:02 <Kiba> Da Bitcoin Currency War!
1907 2010-12-04 15:54:30 <Diablo-D3> xelister: on my single gpu, on testnet thus far, 22 attempts, 5 actuals, and 0 invalids
1908 2010-12-04 15:54:41 <xelister> if (output[0]): found
1909 2010-12-04 15:56:03 <Diablo-D3> does anyone have satoshi's getwork around?
1910 2010-12-04 15:56:11 <Diablo-D3> do ./bitcoind getinfo and give me the target
1911 2010-12-04 15:56:19 <xelister> I will just run both miners for 20 minutes on testnet and compare.
1912 2010-12-04 15:56:25 <Diablo-D3> errr getwork
1913 2010-12-04 15:57:01 <Diablo-D3> "target" : "000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000d21c080000000000",
1914 2010-12-04 15:57:04 <Diablo-D3> does it look like that?
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1916 2010-12-04 15:58:47 <xelister> hm?
1917 2010-12-04 15:59:01 <tcatm> Diablo-D3: yep.
1918 2010-12-04 15:59:09 <Diablo-D3> tcatm: like that, and not endian swapped of that?
1919 2010-12-04 15:59:37 <Hogofwar> is it possible to flood the bitocin network?
1920 2010-12-04 15:59:45 <Hogofwar> *bitcoin
1921 2010-12-04 15:59:46 <Diablo-D3> Hogofwar: not usefully
1922 2010-12-04 16:00:11 <Diablo-D3> some dick was trying to flood with transactions and that went away
1923 2010-12-04 16:00:36 <Hogofwar> But would it make much affect other than slowing some transactions down?
1924 2010-12-04 16:00:41 <tcatm> "target" : "000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000d21c080000000000"
1925 2010-12-04 16:00:46 <Diablo-D3> tcatm: perfect
1926 2010-12-04 16:00:52 <Diablo-D3> so the only thing I have to do is
1927 2010-12-04 16:01:13 <tcatm> rewrite your miner in C :)
1928 2010-12-04 16:01:14 <Diablo-D3> rename block to data, state to midstate, and drop extranonce
1929 2010-12-04 16:02:53 <Hogofwar> What does 3/unconfirmed mean under the status?
1930 2010-12-04 16:03:15 <Diablo-D3> Hogofwar: it isnt a confirmed transaction yet, but >0 means its in the chain visible to you
1931 2010-12-04 16:03:16 <MT`AwAy> Hogofwar: "wait 30 more minutes"
1932 2010-12-04 16:03:24 <MT`AwAy> :p
1933 2010-12-04 16:03:59 <Diablo-D3> Hogofwar: if it stays at 0 for more than 10 or 20 minutes, it was rejected from the chain and your client will retry it later (unless its a gen, then you simply didnt make it)
1934 2010-12-04 16:05:15 * Diablo-D3 updates to r194
1935 2010-12-04 16:06:34 <Diablo-D3> "balance" : 4100.94000000,
1936 2010-12-04 16:06:36 <Diablo-D3> lol testnet
1937 2010-12-04 16:09:43 <[Noodles]> woot! theres 13600btc in the "animated movie" bounty, awesome, i wish i had a clue about creating one
1938 2010-12-04 16:09:54 <Diablo-D3> we could pay the blender foundation lol
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1940 2010-12-04 16:12:22 <DreadKnight> [Noodles], in sintel you mean?
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1942 2010-12-04 16:12:44 <[Noodles]> in what? what's sintel?
1943 2010-12-04 16:12:55 <DreadKnight> blender foundation's latest animation project
1944 2010-12-04 16:13:06 <DreadKnight> with the stupid dragon and chick
1945 2010-12-04 16:13:14 <Hogofwar> DO i have to pay to add more information to transactions?
1946 2010-12-04 16:13:53 <DreadKnight> so theoretically and eventually... all tranctions would get confirmed by all peers or what?
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1948 2010-12-04 16:13:59 <davex__> where is this list of bounties posted?
1949 2010-12-04 16:14:22 <DreadKnight> davex__, it's an easter egg .. shows up in the movie I recall :P
1950 2010-12-04 16:15:05 <[Noodles]> i dont know, i installed blender once (tried to learn to create secondlife "scultpies"), but i had no idea what todo, never really used it
1951 2010-12-04 16:15:12 <davex__> no I think transactions are confirmed when they are included in a new block
1952 2010-12-04 16:15:28 <davex__> and then every time a subsequent block is completed
1953 2010-12-04 16:15:37 <DreadKnight> [Noodles], I'm a blender power user and sort of celebrity xD
1954 2010-12-04 16:15:39 <[Noodles]> and yes, not only in theory, everyone having the blockchain knows/verifies your transactions
1955 2010-12-04 16:16:33 <DreadKnight> cool
1956 2010-12-04 16:18:43 <Kiba> Hello!
1957 2010-12-04 16:19:04 <[Noodles]> ok, true, verifying actually just happens when a new block is created, but all transaction-history ever is in the chain, everyone can see it
1958 2010-12-04 16:19:36 <[Noodles]> hey Kiba
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1961 2010-12-04 16:26:16 <DreadKnight> [Noodles], so what happens if someone losts his wallet/money? I mean what happens with the money? xD they're sort of lost forever?
1962 2010-12-04 16:26:25 <Kiba> LOST FOREVER, indeed.
1963 2010-12-04 16:26:27 <Kiba> so back it up
1964 2010-12-04 16:26:29 <Kiba> encrypt it
1965 2010-12-04 16:26:30 <DreadKnight> loses*
1966 2010-12-04 16:26:32 <DreadKnight> mhm
1967 2010-12-04 16:26:47 <wumpus> yes, it's just like losing your real wallet
1968 2010-12-04 16:27:16 <DreadKnight> when losing your real wallet.. someone could find it and use the money or even restore it to you xD
1969 2010-12-04 16:27:19 <Kiba> BUT unlike your real wallet
1970 2010-12-04 16:27:23 <DreadKnight> hehe
1971 2010-12-04 16:27:31 <Kiba> you can back it up and the coins in there will be valid
1972 2010-12-04 16:27:36 <Kiba> so bitcoins
1973 2010-12-04 16:27:55 <Kiba> possess two different kind of economics at once, strange enough
1974 2010-12-04 16:29:16 <davex__> What's the smallest number of bitcoins that can be sent in a transaction?
1975 2010-12-04 16:29:17 <DreadKnight> will probably make a link to dropbox or something and have it backed up automatically into the cloud...
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1977 2010-12-04 16:29:31 <wumpus> DreadKnight: ok, right, I mean like losing your wallet in the sea, or in a volcano :)
1978 2010-12-04 16:29:42 <DreadKnight> wumpus, hehe, that sounds fun
1979 2010-12-04 16:29:43 <davex__> is it .01?
1980 2010-12-04 16:29:48 <Kiba> make sure you encrypt it, DreadKnight
1981 2010-12-04 16:29:50 <gavinandresen> davex_ : 0.0000000001 , but micro-transactions trigger 0.01 transaction fees
1982 2010-12-04 16:29:53 <Kiba> and make sure you remember your password
1983 2010-12-04 16:30:09 <DreadKnight> Kiba, will consider
1984 2010-12-04 16:30:19 <davex__> gavinandresen, but the transaction fees could be modified in the future if the bitcoin appreciates a lot
1985 2010-12-04 16:30:24 <davex__> right?
1986 2010-12-04 16:30:27 <gavinandresen> davex_ absolutely
1987 2010-12-04 16:30:35 <davex__> ok
1988 2010-12-04 16:30:37 <tcatm> A json-rpc move doesn't create a transaction, does it?
1989 2010-12-04 16:30:37 <DreadKnight> gavinandresen, isn't the transaction fee sort of optional?
1990 2010-12-04 16:30:42 <Kiba> transaction fee is set by generator supply and demand, no?
1991 2010-12-04 16:30:42 <gavinandresen> (as long as a majority of generators agreed)
1992 2010-12-04 16:30:54 <Kiba> OPTIONAL, indeed
1993 2010-12-04 16:31:11 <Kiba> but transaction fee are prioritized higher in processing
1994 2010-12-04 16:31:20 <DreadKnight> mhm
1995 2010-12-04 16:31:48 <wumpus> meant to prevent flooding of the network
1996 2010-12-04 16:31:53 <gavinandresen> DreadKnight: there's a check for micro-transactions in the mainstream client, and that triggers a minimum 0.01 fee.
1997 2010-12-04 16:32:32 <gavinandresen> (and actually, it is 0.01 bitcoins per kilobyte-of-transaction-size, if I recall correctly, which I probably don't)
1998 2010-12-04 16:32:49 <DreadKnight> there should be some webservice that could be used for "donate/pay with bitcoin" website widgets, providing with some fields like "from, amount, to"
1999 2010-12-04 16:33:10 <gavinandresen> DreadKnight: both MtGox and MyBitcoin provide that service.
2000 2010-12-04 16:33:11 <wumpus> there are such services
2001 2010-12-04 16:33:17 <DreadKnight> cool
2002 2010-12-04 16:33:22 <Kiba> I like to call them...banks
2003 2010-12-04 16:33:26 <DreadKnight> :D
2004 2010-12-04 16:33:44 <Kiba> instead of earning interests, they make it more convenient
2005 2010-12-04 16:33:46 <gavinandresen> tcatm: No a move doesn't touch the network
2006 2010-12-04 16:33:49 <Kiba> we all are our own banker
2007 2010-12-04 16:33:54 <Kiba> but we lack the economy of scale
2008 2010-12-04 16:34:13 <tcatm> gavinandresen: Is it recorded somewhere else?
2009 2010-12-04 16:34:23 <gavinandresen> tcatm: all the account stuff is in wallet.dat
2010 2010-12-04 16:36:42 <tcatm> I just noticed listtransactions will show it. That solved my problem.
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2013 2010-12-04 16:51:29 <xelister> during 24 minutes on testnet diablo's generated 37 blocks,
2014 2010-12-04 16:52:20 <xelister> and m0m's - 30
2015 2010-12-04 16:52:57 <xelister> was the difficulty same in last 1 hour on testnet?
2016 2010-12-04 16:54:29 <xelister> Diablo-D3:
2017 2010-12-04 16:55:18 <Hogofwar> can someone supply me with the latest binary with the getwork patch?
2018 2010-12-04 16:55:52 <xelister> Hogofwar: I could get you 186+getwork
2019 2010-12-04 16:56:01 <xelister> Hogofwar: I could get you 186+(getwork compatible with m0m's)
2020 2010-12-04 16:56:24 <Hogofwar> uh
2021 2010-12-04 16:56:31 <Hogofwar> okay?
2022 2010-12-04 16:56:42 <Hogofwar> is 186 latest?
2023 2010-12-04 16:57:27 <xelister> no
2024 2010-12-04 16:57:39 <xelister> but newer svn versions are not working well with miners
2025 2010-12-04 16:57:45 <Hogofwar> :(
2026 2010-12-04 16:57:57 <Hogofwar> what svn version is 3.17?
2027 2010-12-04 16:58:11 <Hogofwar> 0.3.17
2028 2010-12-04 17:00:34 <MT`AwAy> xelister: maybe your test wasn't long enough
2029 2010-12-04 17:10:03 * xelister tries now m0m's miner
2030 2010-12-04 17:11:42 <Diablo-D3> xelister: the diff hasnt changed
2031 2010-12-04 17:11:50 <Diablo-D3> xelister: also, 30 and 37 are in the same ballpark
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2033 2010-12-04 17:21:53 <joe_1> has bitcoin reached $100/coin yet
2034 2010-12-04 17:23:07 <[Noodles]> not yet
2035 2010-12-04 17:23:51 <[Noodles]> but if you buy some now, we get closer
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2037 2010-12-04 17:33:46 <Diablo-D3> hmm
2038 2010-12-04 17:33:48 <Diablo-D3> interesting
2039 2010-12-04 17:34:29 <Diablo-D3> data is still endian swapped
2040 2010-12-04 17:34:40 <Diablo-D3> and I suspect midstate is too
2041 2010-12-04 17:36:03 <DreadKnight> joe_1, as far as I know the bitcoin is about 1dollar and a bit :D
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2043 2010-12-04 17:36:41 <Diablo-D3> yup, that hasnt changed
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2046 2010-12-04 17:47:29 <Hogofwar> oh gawd
2047 2010-12-04 17:50:45 <Kiba> http://www.bitcoinservice.co.uk/files/17
2048 2010-12-04 17:50:51 <Kiba> so...
2049 2010-12-04 17:50:58 <brocktice> xelister: did you get your shit sorted out yet?
2050 2010-12-04 17:51:03 AAA_awright_ is now known as AAA_awright
2051 2010-12-04 17:51:07 <Kiba> only two downloads occured yesterdya, one was by me
2052 2010-12-04 17:51:21 <Kiba> still. .20 BTC.
2053 2010-12-04 17:51:23 <brocktice> gavinandresen: I didn't see anything in my history, do you have somewhere I should send that corrupt wallet.dat?
2054 2010-12-04 17:51:49 <brocktice> gavinandresen: and as I mentioned before, if you can fix the reading I think there are probably 100-200 bitcions you can recover as an incentive to figure out the problem :)
2055 2010-12-04 17:57:05 <brocktice> xelister: what do you mean newer versions are not working well with miners?
2056 2010-12-04 17:57:10 <brocktice> xelister: seem to be working fine for me
2057 2010-12-04 18:10:28 <Hogofwar> I need to get 126 bitcoins and fast!
2058 2010-12-04 18:10:32 <Hogofwar> But how?
2059 2010-12-04 18:11:20 <brocktice> Hogofwar: mtgox?
2060 2010-12-04 18:11:33 <brocktice> bitcoingateway? Not sure how long that one takes.
2061 2010-12-04 18:11:43 <brocktice> I'll take a paypal personal tx
2062 2010-12-04 18:12:10 <[Noodles]> got L$? that'd be instant, more or less
2063 2010-12-04 18:12:17 <Kiba> why am I not a popular artist?
2064 2010-12-04 18:12:28 <brocktice> Kiba: that is a very complicated and loaded question
2065 2010-12-04 18:12:46 <Kiba> am I not good enough?
2066 2010-12-04 18:12:57 <brocktice> Kiba: what makes an artist popular?
2067 2010-12-04 18:13:20 <brocktice> Or even more basically, perhaps, why do people like art?
2068 2010-12-04 18:13:22 <Kiba> dunno. Lot of pretty arts.
2069 2010-12-04 18:13:24 <brocktice> And some more than others?
2070 2010-12-04 18:13:24 <gavinandresen> brocktice: gavinandresen@gmail.com
2071 2010-12-04 18:13:27 <brocktice> And which kinds of people
2072 2010-12-04 18:13:30 <brocktice> gavinandresen: OK thanks
2073 2010-12-04 18:13:31 <[Noodles]> i guess it's just that people like to know what they have to pay for (thumbnail-preview needed)
2074 2010-12-04 18:13:47 <gavinandresen> brocktice: (and I'll send it back to you fixed with the coins... if I can fix it)
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2076 2010-12-04 18:14:44 <Kiba> bencoder: are YOU ALIVE?
2077 2010-12-04 18:15:05 <brocktice> gavinandresen: If you want that would be nice
2078 2010-12-04 18:15:22 <brocktice> gavinandresen: But I appreciate the effort you spend on development, so if you want to keep them I wouldn't mind.
2079 2010-12-04 18:15:27 <gavinandresen> Hey! I'm official! http://www.bitcoin.org/contact
2080 2010-12-04 18:15:39 <Kiba> bencoder: YOU KNOW? IT'S YOUR INTEREST TO DEVELOP PREVIEW!
2081 2010-12-04 18:15:44 <brocktice> w00t
2082 2010-12-04 18:16:13 <Kiba> I think the projectwonderful campaign got good clickrate from liberty related site...
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2085 2010-12-04 18:17:50 <brocktice> Kiba: I think your work has a lot of potential, but you probably need to spend some time on rigorous fundamentals.
2086 2010-12-04 18:17:56 <altamic> gavin: congratulations
2087 2010-12-04 18:18:19 <Kiba> brocktice: liek what? perspective? anatomy?
2088 2010-12-04 18:18:30 <brocktice> yeah probably anatomy
2089 2010-12-04 18:18:44 <Kiba> where did you see out of proportioned stuff?
2090 2010-12-04 18:18:59 <brocktice> just for comparison, one of the better anime/manga type artists I know of: http://www.fredart.com/fredart/artpage.php3?fn=105&ft=sk
2091 2010-12-04 18:19:16 <Kiba> that's old shit
2092 2010-12-04 18:19:21 <Kiba> he can drew way better stuff
2093 2010-12-04 18:19:32 <brocktice> Also I think the whole Saotoshi-is-a-hot-girl thing is kind of creepy, myself.
2094 2010-12-04 18:19:47 <brocktice> Kiba: sure he can, but that's just a sketch
2095 2010-12-04 18:19:50 <Kiba> Haruka Nakamoto! That what I am naming her.
2096 2010-12-04 18:20:02 <brocktice> Kiba: so that may be coloring my perception
2097 2010-12-04 18:20:08 <brocktice> She has man-hands, speaking of proportions
2098 2010-12-04 18:20:15 <Diablo-D3> hrrrrrrm
2099 2010-12-04 18:20:16 <Kiba> brocktice: yes, that's a problem.
2100 2010-12-04 18:20:20 <Kiba> hands are hard to draw.
2101 2010-12-04 18:20:25 <brocktice> I know
2102 2010-12-04 18:20:27 <brocktice> I could never do it myself
2103 2010-12-04 18:20:31 <Diablo-D3> what about projectwonderful?
2104 2010-12-04 18:20:34 * Diablo-D3 uses it on his sites
2105 2010-12-04 18:20:35 <brocktice> that's why I said you needed to work on the fundamentals
2106 2010-12-04 18:20:36 <Kiba> PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE
2107 2010-12-04 18:20:39 <brocktice> Yep
2108 2010-12-04 18:20:45 <Diablo-D3> so, hrrrrm
2109 2010-12-04 18:20:45 <brocktice> but, you seem to have a great start
2110 2010-12-04 18:20:54 <brocktice> I've got it
2111 2010-12-04 18:20:55 <Diablo-D3> I wonder why my miner isnt working
2112 2010-12-04 18:20:59 <brocktice> Satoshi is a post-op!
2113 2010-12-04 18:21:03 <brocktice> Hence the man hands
2114 2010-12-04 18:21:04 <Kiba> Diablo-D3: I am just saying..he's a
2115 2010-12-04 18:21:12 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: maybe not, maybe he just had boob implants
2116 2010-12-04 18:21:15 <Kiba> Fred
2117 2010-12-04 18:21:16 <Diablo-D3> so hes really a dickchick!
2118 2010-12-04 18:21:20 <jrabbit> http://www.bradleymanning.org/15364/holiday-cards-for-bradley-mannings-freedom/
2119 2010-12-04 18:21:20 <Kiba> errr...
2120 2010-12-04 18:21:31 <jrabbit> send a card this holiday
2121 2010-12-04 18:21:33 <Diablo-D3> japan loves this
2122 2010-12-04 18:21:35 * Kiba got confused
2123 2010-12-04 18:21:41 <Kiba> well
2124 2010-12-04 18:21:44 <Kiba> what I am saying....
2125 2010-12-04 18:22:02 <jrabbit> apeprantly you can do it via that org and it won't be completely obvious to the feds
2126 2010-12-04 18:22:06 <Kiba> Fred Gallagher improve over time with his art.
2127 2010-12-04 18:22:28 <Diablo-D3> lol fred
2128 2010-12-04 18:22:32 <Diablo-D3> fucking megatokyo
2129 2010-12-04 18:22:42 <Kiba> so his old sketch is inferior to...
2130 2010-12-04 18:22:43 <brocktice> I stopped reading it after Largo left.
2131 2010-12-04 18:22:45 <Kiba> his new sketches
2132 2010-12-04 18:22:49 <Kiba> brocktice: STILL read it.
2133 2010-12-04 18:22:54 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: catch up
2134 2010-12-04 18:22:57 <brocktice> It got less funny and more mopey
2135 2010-12-04 18:22:57 <Diablo-D3> its back to normal now
2136 2010-12-04 18:23:00 <brocktice> Oh
2137 2010-12-04 18:23:02 <brocktice> Dom is helping?
2138 2010-12-04 18:23:10 <Diablo-D3> no, fred just learned to write
2139 2010-12-04 18:23:15 <brocktice> Oh, good.
2140 2010-12-04 18:23:24 <brocktice> too bad he blocks image access for archivebinge
2141 2010-12-04 18:23:31 <brocktice> but I suppose I could click through
2142 2010-12-04 18:23:42 <Hogofwar> The ebsite hosting company still hasn't replied
2143 2010-12-04 18:23:46 <Kiba> shit, why he stop shading his artwork lately?
2144 2010-12-04 18:23:55 <Diablo-D3> okay so
2145 2010-12-04 18:23:57 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: so you think your miner is broken after all?
2146 2010-12-04 18:23:58 <Diablo-D3> m0 -> satoshi
2147 2010-12-04 18:24:03 <brocktice> ?
2148 2010-12-04 18:24:08 <Diablo-D3> state is renamed to midstate
2149 2010-12-04 18:24:12 <brocktice> oh
2150 2010-12-04 18:24:14 <Diablo-D3> block is renamed to data
2151 2010-12-04 18:24:19 <Diablo-D3> and extranonce is removed
2152 2010-12-04 18:24:22 <Diablo-D3> am I missing anything?
2153 2010-12-04 18:24:33 <brocktice> I don't think so, but I'm not sure
2154 2010-12-04 18:24:40 <brocktice> I just copied m0's updates over
2155 2010-12-04 18:24:54 <brocktice> before realizing I was committing a sin and then just abstracted that whole part out.
2156 2010-12-04 18:25:43 <Kiba> ya think it will be t-shirtable, brocktice ?
2157 2010-12-04 18:25:59 <brocktice> Kiba: Your mystery of satoshi drawing?
2158 2010-12-04 18:26:05 <Kiba> yes
2159 2010-12-04 18:26:09 <brocktice> Kiba: You can print anything on a t-shirt
2160 2010-12-04 18:26:20 <brocktice> Kiba: If you want to make money you have to consider your potential market.
2161 2010-12-04 18:26:22 <Diablo-D3> http://pastebin.com/TVt3GGEQ
2162 2010-12-04 18:26:25 <Diablo-D3> thats the difference
2163 2010-12-04 18:27:00 <Kiba> I see no difference, Diablo-D3
2164 2010-12-04 18:27:02 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: I seem to remember something about 128B vs 80B or something?
2165 2010-12-04 18:27:06 <brocktice> or was it bits
2166 2010-12-04 18:27:10 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: I havent changed that yet
2167 2010-12-04 18:27:13 <Diablo-D3> er at all
2168 2010-12-04 18:27:14 <Diablo-D3> I mean
2169 2010-12-04 18:28:12 <brocktice> Kiba: so, if people aren't paying 0.01 or 0.1 bitcoins for your drawing
2170 2010-12-04 18:28:26 <brocktice> Kiba: why would they pay $12-15 for a shirt with the same drawing?
2171 2010-12-04 18:28:52 <brocktice> Kiba: If you can get more interest in the drawing, and then find bitcoin fans who like to buy art t-shirts, then you might have a market.
2172 2010-12-04 18:29:28 <Diablo-D3> - block2 = np.array(unpack('IIIIIIIIIIIIIIII', work['block'][128:].decode('hex')), dtype=np.uint32)
2173 2010-12-04 18:29:28 <Diablo-D3> - state = np.array(unpack('IIIIIIII', work['state'].decode('hex')), dtype=np.uint32)
2174 2010-12-04 18:29:29 <Diablo-D3> + block2 = np.array(unpack('IIIIIIIIIIIIIIII', work['data'][128:].decode('hex')), dtype=np.uint32)
2175 2010-12-04 18:29:29 <Diablo-D3> + state = np.array(unpack('IIIIIIII', work['midstate'].decode('hex')), dtype=np.uint32)
2176 2010-12-04 18:29:50 <brocktice> hmmm
2177 2010-12-04 18:30:00 <Diablo-D3> so it seems to be the same
2178 2010-12-04 18:30:16 <Kiba> brocktice: gottach.
2179 2010-12-04 18:31:11 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: I'm trying to find in the forums where satoshi discussed the difference
2180 2010-12-04 18:31:16 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: but I am having trouble
2181 2010-12-04 18:31:21 <Diablo-D3> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1901.0
2182 2010-12-04 18:31:30 <brocktice> aha thanks
2183 2010-12-04 18:31:34 <brocktice> I was looking in the miner thread
2184 2010-12-04 18:32:37 <brocktice> The changes are:
2185 2010-12-04 18:32:37 <brocktice> - It does not return work when you submit a possible hit, only when called without parameter.
2186 2010-12-04 18:32:40 <brocktice> - The block field has been split into data and hash1.
2187 2010-12-04 18:32:41 <brocktice> there ya go
2188 2010-12-04 18:32:43 <brocktice> - state renamed to midstate for consistency.
2189 2010-12-04 18:32:46 <brocktice> - extranonce not needed.
2190 2010-12-04 18:32:56 <Diablo-D3> thats not useful
2191 2010-12-04 18:34:44 <xelister> brocktice: <brocktice> xelister: what do you mean newer versions are not working well with miners?
2192 2010-12-04 18:35:23 <xelister> brocktice: no. No version of Diablo-D3's miner generate as expected speed, it has half the speed because half of hashes are wrong for some reason, on 5970 (dual gpu). Diablo-D3 says it may be ubuntu driver fault
2193 2010-12-04 18:35:43 <brocktice> oh
2194 2010-12-04 18:36:18 <xelister> Kiba: I can in fact pay 200 BTC for a t-shirt
2195 2010-12-04 18:36:21 <xelister> with a photo
2196 2010-12-04 18:37:01 <xelister> of your hot sister having fun with me
2197 2010-12-04 18:37:03 <xelister> actually, forge the t-shirt and the photo >_>
2198 2010-12-04 18:37:09 <xelister> forget
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2200 2010-12-04 18:37:23 <Diablo-D3> eh, screw the whole thing
2201 2010-12-04 18:37:48 <xelister> what about the hookers and blackjack
2202 2010-12-04 18:37:51 <xelister> and lunapark
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2204 2010-12-04 18:38:02 <Diablo-D3> [01:36:56] <Diablo-D3> eh, screw the whole thing
2205 2010-12-04 18:38:25 <xelister> one of this days
2206 2010-12-04 18:38:28 <xelister> bam, zoom ....
2207 2010-12-04 18:39:13 <xelister> brocktice: where you able to run Diablo-D3's miner on 5970 so we can confirm whether it works better or not on other system
2208 2010-12-04 18:39:23 <brocktice> xelister: not yet
2209 2010-12-04 18:39:30 <brocktice> I'm done screwing around with patching for getwork
2210 2010-12-04 18:41:33 <xelister> Diablo-D3: <_< http://www.gotfuturama.com/Multimedia/EpisodeSounds/1ACV02/31.mp3
2211 2010-12-04 18:42:37 <Diablo-D3> [01:37:35] <Diablo-D3> [01:36:56] <Diablo-D3> eh, screw the whole thing
2212 2010-12-04 18:44:12 <xelister> if we only could take that Debian SSL guy to patch Diablo-D3's xorg server... just few more iterations away from root ;)
2213 2010-12-04 18:45:28 <Diablo-D3> ?
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2219 2010-12-04 18:57:49 <Diablo-D3> ahh, found what I was doing wrong
2220 2010-12-04 18:58:01 <Diablo-D3> I was misparsing the true/false shit from satoshi's getwork
2221 2010-12-04 18:58:34 <bencoder> kiba: I know, I said, i'll be working on it this weekend and will push a new version sunday
2222 2010-12-04 19:00:00 <Hogofwar> is getwork in 0.3.17
2223 2010-12-04 19:00:01 <Hogofwar> ?
2224 2010-12-04 19:00:04 <Kiba> but today IS the weekend?
2225 2010-12-04 19:02:53 redMBA has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2226 2010-12-04 19:05:26 <ColonelPanic1> alright, my poclbm.py cannot find btc_miner.cl even though it is in the same folder
2227 2010-12-04 19:05:31 <ColonelPanic1> it fails on an open() call
2228 2010-12-04 19:05:38 xXx has joined
2229 2010-12-04 19:06:58 <Diablo-D3> its in 31700
2230 2010-12-04 19:07:17 <Diablo-D3> ColonelPanic1: check permissions
2231 2010-12-04 19:07:40 redMBA has joined
2232 2010-12-04 19:08:36 <ColonelPanic1> already checked, at least that is set up properly
2233 2010-12-04 19:08:43 <Diablo-D3> hmm strange
2234 2010-12-04 19:09:07 <ColonelPanic1> No such file or directory: 'btc_miner.cl'
2235 2010-12-04 19:11:06 <Diablo-D3> ls -al *
2236 2010-12-04 19:12:25 <ColonelPanic1> and?
2237 2010-12-04 19:12:55 <Diablo-D3> what does it say
2238 2010-12-04 19:13:07 <ColonelPanic1> it says btc_miner.cl is in that directory
2239 2010-12-04 19:13:13 <ColonelPanic1> with read/write permissions
2240 2010-12-04 19:13:16 <Diablo-D3> no I want the actual output
2241 2010-12-04 19:13:34 <ColonelPanic1> it is on a different computer than the one running IRC
2242 2010-12-04 19:13:40 <Diablo-D3> feh
2243 2010-12-04 19:13:50 <ColonelPanic1> what exactly do you need out of that?
2244 2010-12-04 19:13:58 <Diablo-D3> ColonelPanic1: just wanted to double check
2245 2010-12-04 19:14:10 <Diablo-D3> xelister, brocktice: wee
2246 2010-12-04 19:14:35 redMBA has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2247 2010-12-04 19:15:05 <ColonelPanic1> it's all good as far as permissions go
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2249 2010-12-04 19:15:41 <xelister> Diablo-D3: wee what?
2250 2010-12-04 19:15:57 <Diablo-D3> bot is lagging wait a sec
2251 2010-12-04 19:16:09 <CIA-87> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * r53ade46 / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Updated client to use satoshi's impl of getwork instead of m0's - http://bit.ly/g8iJsS
2252 2010-12-04 19:16:15 xXx has quit (Quit: Ãáäåëà ëñÿ ëåãêèì èñïóãîì... à ÃçÃþ Ãà Ãûà ÃÃ¥ÃëÃÃÃé ÃêÃèÃò NeOn Script 8.9! CêÃ÷Ãé ñ http://neon-ms.info :)
2253 2010-12-04 19:16:43 <bencoder> Kiba: yes today is the weekend, I didn't say i'm not working on it now, I was just clarifying what i said, the site's not going to be updated until tomorrow evening
2254 2010-12-04 19:16:58 <Diablo-D3> xelister, brocktice: wee
2255 2010-12-04 19:17:08 <xelister> Diablo-D3: yey... another potential bug? ;)
2256 2010-12-04 19:17:21 <Diablo-D3> xelister: no not at all
2257 2010-12-04 19:17:25 <Diablo-D3> it was actually really easy to do
2258 2010-12-04 19:17:41 <xelister> Diablo-D3: that ½ speed shit is worring me
2259 2010-12-04 19:17:51 <Diablo-D3> xelister: half speed?
2260 2010-12-04 19:18:44 <Diablo-D3> Started at Dec 4, 2010 2:10:13 PM
2261 2010-12-04 19:18:44 <Diablo-D3> Attempt 1 found on ATI RV770 at 2:11:11 PM
2262 2010-12-04 19:18:45 <Diablo-D3> Attempt 2 found on ATI RV770 at 2:11:24 PM
2263 2010-12-04 19:18:45 <Diablo-D3> Attempt 3 found on ATI RV770 at 2:11:35 PM
2264 2010-12-04 19:18:45 <Diablo-D3> Block 1 found on ATI RV770 at 2:11:35 PM
2265 2010-12-04 19:18:45 <Diablo-D3> Attempt 4 found on ATI RV770 at 2:13:06 PM
2266 2010-12-04 19:18:47 <Diablo-D3> Attempt 5 found on ATI RV770 at 2:13:08 PM
2267 2010-12-04 19:18:49 <Diablo-D3> Attempt 6 found on ATI RV770 at 2:13:50 PM
2268 2010-12-04 19:18:51 <Diablo-D3> Block 2 found on ATI RV770 at 2:13:50 PM
2269 2010-12-04 19:18:53 <Diablo-D3> Attempt 7 found on ATI RV770 at 2:14:01 PM
2270 2010-12-04 19:18:55 <Diablo-D3> Attempt 8 found on ATI RV770 at 2:14:47 PM
2271 2010-12-04 19:18:57 <Diablo-D3> Attempt 9 found on ATI RV770 at 2:16:13 PM
2272 2010-12-04 19:18:59 <Diablo-D3> Block 3 found on ATI RV770 at 2:16:13 PM
2273 2010-12-04 19:19:01 <Diablo-D3> Attempt 10 found on ATI RV770 at 2:16:33 PM
2274 2010-12-04 19:19:03 <Diablo-D3> Attempt 11 found on ATI RV770 at 2:16:38 PM
2275 2010-12-04 19:19:05 <Diablo-D3> Attempt 12 found on ATI RV770 at 2:18:08 PM
2276 2010-12-04 19:19:07 <Diablo-D3> wee!
2277 2010-12-04 19:19:39 <Hogofwar> you just got 150 btc?
2278 2010-12-04 19:20:02 <Hogofwar> Or am i thinking what you are doing is not what you are doing
2279 2010-12-04 19:20:26 <Diablo-D3> thats testnet
2280 2010-12-04 19:20:32 <Diablo-D3> so I got 150 tbtc
2281 2010-12-04 19:20:44 <Hogofwar> With your miner?
2282 2010-12-04 19:21:00 <Diablo-D3> yes
2283 2010-12-04 19:21:42 <Diablo-D3> so the new code is proven to work
2284 2010-12-04 19:22:04 <Hogofwar> "You require a bitcoin patched with m0mchil's getwork patch"
2285 2010-12-04 19:22:10 <Hogofwar> Cna someone direct me to a binary of taht?
2286 2010-12-04 19:22:13 <Hogofwar> *that
2287 2010-12-04 19:22:29 <Diablo-D3> Hogofwar: not anymore you dont
2288 2010-12-04 19:22:38 <Diablo-D3> thats the change I just pushed a few minutes ago
2289 2010-12-04 19:22:42 <Hogofwar> oh
2290 2010-12-04 19:22:45 <Hogofwar> Awesome
2291 2010-12-04 19:22:56 <Hogofwar> have you uploaded teh binary?
2292 2010-12-04 19:22:58 <Hogofwar> *the
2293 2010-12-04 19:22:58 <Diablo-D3> I now have 4,100.94 TBTC
2294 2010-12-04 19:23:03 <Diablo-D3> yes
2295 2010-12-04 19:23:28 <Hogofwar> want 20,000 TBTC? :P
2296 2010-12-04 19:23:41 <Diablo-D3> lol no =P
2297 2010-12-04 19:24:16 <Hogofwar> so i need to install ati stream?
2298 2010-12-04 19:24:30 <xelister> Hogofwar: I want lol
2299 2010-12-04 19:24:41 <Diablo-D3> xelister: what will you do with tbtc?
2300 2010-12-04 19:27:01 <Kiba> pledge it to the BitDNS cause, Diablo-D3
2301 2010-12-04 19:27:24 <Diablo-D3> Kiba: _t_btc
2302 2010-12-04 19:27:34 <Diablo-D3> they're worthless
2303 2010-12-04 19:27:53 <Diablo-D3> and why are you continuing with bitdns?
2304 2010-12-04 19:27:58 <Diablo-D3> easier to go help the pirate bay guys
2305 2010-12-04 19:28:22 <Kiba> because the piratebay guys are being gay by using a central authority
2306 2010-12-04 19:28:34 <Kiba> and they don't take the BitDNS idea seriously
2307 2010-12-04 19:28:42 <Kiba> at least that's my impression
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2309 2010-12-04 19:29:54 * Diablo-D3 shrugs
2310 2010-12-04 19:30:17 <Diablo-D3> and now I go to bed
2311 2010-12-04 19:30:19 <Diablo-D3> night all
2312 2010-12-04 19:30:25 <brocktice> goodnight
2313 2010-12-04 19:30:30 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: HEY YOU
2314 2010-12-04 19:30:36 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: TEST CLIENT ON TESTNET
2315 2010-12-04 19:30:48 <brocktice> maybe in a bit
2316 2010-12-04 19:30:50 <Diablo-D3> now
2317 2010-12-04 19:30:52 <Diablo-D3> so I can go to bed
2318 2010-12-04 19:30:53 <brocktice> nope
2319 2010-12-04 19:30:58 <brocktice> go to bed anyway
2320 2010-12-04 19:30:58 <Diablo-D3> it works on satoshi's getwork now
2321 2010-12-04 19:31:02 <brocktice> it'll be a while
2322 2010-12-04 19:31:06 <brocktice> I'm working on something else
2323 2010-12-04 19:31:18 <Diablo-D3> but I want to see you prove xelister wrong :<
2324 2010-12-04 19:31:23 <brocktice> maybe later
2325 2010-12-04 19:31:50 <xelister> brocktice: its like 5 minutes to test... test it \o/
2326 2010-12-04 19:32:25 <xelister> dont procastinate
2327 2010-12-04 19:32:44 redMBA has joined
2328 2010-12-04 19:34:18 <brocktice> I'm not procrastinating
2329 2010-12-04 19:34:25 <brocktice> I'm working on things that result in me getting paid
2330 2010-12-04 19:34:31 <brocktice> if you want to pay me to test it instead that's fine
2331 2010-12-04 19:34:41 <Diablo-D3> feh
2332 2010-12-04 19:34:43 <Diablo-D3> Im going to bed
2333 2010-12-04 19:34:48 * Diablo-D3 edited his forum sig
2334 2010-12-04 19:34:56 <Diablo-D3> [url=http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1721.0]DiabloMiner[/url] | Like my miner? Donate: 1DbeWKCxnVCt3sRaSAmZLoboqr8pVyFzP1
2335 2010-12-04 19:34:58 <Diablo-D3> :D
2336 2010-12-04 19:35:05 <xelister> "I stole 200 BTCs from xelister, foooorgive me"
2337 2010-12-04 19:35:13 <Diablo-D3> xelister: its your system
2338 2010-12-04 19:35:13 * xelister donates -200 btc
2339 2010-12-04 19:35:25 * xelister fine: and -500 btc to ubuntu
2340 2010-12-04 19:35:36 <Diablo-D3> lol
2341 2010-12-04 19:35:44 theymos has joined
2342 2010-12-04 19:35:46 <xelister> seriously we ened to debug this
2343 2010-12-04 19:36:01 <Diablo-D3> xelister: well if you upgrade your driver, and it goes away, its debugged.
2344 2010-12-04 19:36:01 <xelister> Diablo-D3: but what does this means? seriously on ubuntu half results of opencl on 5970 are fucked?
2345 2010-12-04 19:36:07 <Diablo-D3> xelister: yes
2346 2010-12-04 19:36:08 <Diablo-D3> also
2347 2010-12-04 19:36:12 <Diablo-D3> thats what happens with crossfire
2348 2010-12-04 19:36:15 <Diablo-D3> half the results are fucked
2349 2010-12-04 19:36:15 <xelister> this sucks donkey cocks
2350 2010-12-04 19:36:24 <Diablo-D3> or rather, all results not on gpu 0 are fucked
2351 2010-12-04 19:36:31 <xelister> no
2352 2010-12-04 19:36:34 <xelister> not with m0m's
2353 2010-12-04 19:36:36 <Diablo-D3> so have 8 cards? 7 produce fucked results
2354 2010-12-04 19:36:38 <Diablo-D3> xelister: no
2355 2010-12-04 19:36:40 <Diablo-D3> with crossfire on
2356 2010-12-04 19:36:41 <xelister> ys
2357 2010-12-04 19:36:43 <xelister> ah ok
2358 2010-12-04 19:36:43 <Diablo-D3> on ANY opencl app
2359 2010-12-04 19:36:44 <Diablo-D3> ANY
2360 2010-12-04 19:36:47 <Diablo-D3> not just miners
2361 2010-12-04 19:36:49 <Diablo-D3> ANYTHING
2362 2010-12-04 19:36:57 <xelister> but it works fine on mom
2363 2010-12-04 19:37:05 <Diablo-D3> m0 isnt catching it
2364 2010-12-04 19:37:06 <xelister> I run m0m .. -d 1 and -d 2
2365 2010-12-04 19:37:07 <Diablo-D3> I am
2366 2010-12-04 19:37:09 <xelister> both generated
2367 2010-12-04 19:37:12 <xelister> ah ok
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2369 2010-12-04 19:37:31 <xelister> this drivers suck donkey cock.
2370 2010-12-04 19:37:34 <Diablo-D3> add code to m0's to process the entire 80 byte header and check if H still == 0
2371 2010-12-04 19:37:42 <Diablo-D3> xelister: its a beta driver, one that basically doesnt exist
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2373 2010-12-04 19:37:48 <Diablo-D3> AMD never offered it to anyone but ubuntu
2374 2010-12-04 19:37:55 <Diablo-D3> so Im not surprised if its broken
2375 2010-12-04 19:37:59 <Diablo-D3> it didnt pass QA
2376 2010-12-04 19:38:06 redMBA has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2377 2010-12-04 19:38:07 <Diablo-D3> at least, it never went through it
2378 2010-12-04 19:38:29 <xelister> obama, shuttleworth. coincidence?
2379 2010-12-04 19:38:48 <Diablo-D3> my dick, your mother. coincidence?
2380 2010-12-04 19:38:51 <Diablo-D3> anyhow, Im going to bed
2381 2010-12-04 19:38:53 <Diablo-D3> night all
2382 2010-12-04 19:38:54 <xelister> help, this diggers stole half my (virtual)money
2383 2010-12-04 19:38:59 <xelister> bye o/
2384 2010-12-04 19:39:03 <Diablo-D3> >diggers
2385 2010-12-04 19:39:06 <Diablo-D3> oh so very close
2386 2010-12-04 19:39:09 <xelister> that reminds me
2387 2010-12-04 19:39:16 * Diablo-D3 goes for real
2388 2010-12-04 19:39:16 * xelister searches for it
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2390 2010-12-04 19:41:02 <xelister> lol what the fuck... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCF6MGjslpw
2391 2010-12-04 19:42:34 <Kiba> wee! The BMAA have 131 BTC in its treasury
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2393 2010-12-04 19:45:30 <Hogofwar> Trying to run diablominer
2394 2010-12-04 19:45:52 <Hogofwar> Says it can't connect to bitcoind (even though i have it running and i gave it correct user/pass
2395 2010-12-04 19:47:43 <Hogofwar> I've had this problem before
2396 2010-12-04 19:47:48 <Hogofwar> and i still ahev it
2397 2010-12-04 19:47:50 <Hogofwar> *have
2398 2010-12-04 19:48:11 <Hogofwar> or not...
2399 2010-12-04 19:48:13 <Hogofwar> wtf
2400 2010-12-04 19:49:13 <Hogofwar> just as diabo-d3 goes offline :(
2401 2010-12-04 19:49:51 <Hogofwar> is getwork in 0.3.17?
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2403 2010-12-04 19:55:23 <xelister> Hogofwar: hi
2404 2010-12-04 19:55:45 <xelister> Hogofwar: build newest version of diablos (git pull) it should work
2405 2010-12-04 19:56:03 <xelister> Hogofwar: what system exactly are you using version, istro
2406 2010-12-04 19:56:51 <Hogofwar> 0.3.17
2407 2010-12-04 19:56:52 <Hogofwar> http://j.mp/g8jEjO
2408 2010-12-04 19:56:54 <Hogofwar> that error
2409 2010-12-04 19:57:10 <Hogofwar> i am getting which i thought might eb getwork related
2410 2010-12-04 19:57:17 <Hogofwar> on windows
2411 2010-12-04 19:57:21 <Hogofwar> win7
2412 2010-12-04 19:57:42 <brocktice> xelister: OK I tested it
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2415 2010-12-04 19:58:25 <brocktice> http://pastebin.com/7fNr3u8u
2416 2010-12-04 19:58:31 <Hogofwar> any help...
2417 2010-12-04 19:58:49 <brocktice> Looks like his miner is bugged
2418 2010-12-04 19:59:05 <brocktice> that's going to drive him nuts
2419 2010-12-04 19:59:16 <xelister> 10 BTC NOW
2420 2010-12-04 19:59:23 <xelister> for diablos home or cell number <_<
2421 2010-12-04 19:59:23 <brocktice> ?
2422 2010-12-04 19:59:29 <brocktice> the man is sleeping
2423 2010-12-04 19:59:34 <xelister> I know :>
2424 2010-12-04 19:59:36 <brocktice> just use m0's
2425 2010-12-04 19:59:39 <brocktice> or mine
2426 2010-12-04 19:59:42 <brocktice> they both work fine
2427 2010-12-04 19:59:42 <xelister> HIS BUGGED MINER FUCKED ME UP :(
2428 2010-12-04 19:59:53 <brocktice> xelister: YOU chose to use his bugged miner
2429 2010-12-04 19:59:55 <xelister> 100 btc for diabloc home or cell phone nr :>
2430 2010-12-04 20:00:25 <xelister> brocktice: well I compared his and m0m's... actually it seems diablo's is more portable and nicer coded, so a good platform for my extension to miner... except for this buggy shit
2431 2010-12-04 20:00:59 <brocktice> xelister: m0mchil's miner, which I have made into an easy-to-use python class, is well tested and portable.
2432 2010-12-04 20:01:07 <brocktice> My daemon code is more linux-centric
2433 2010-12-04 20:01:08 <xelister> brocktice: do you know how to add full checking on hashes validity to m0m's/yours?
2434 2010-12-04 20:01:16 <xelister> perhas all miner in fact generate ~hald invalid hashes
2435 2010-12-04 20:01:18 <brocktice> nope, but it shouldn't be too hard
2436 2010-12-04 20:01:27 <xelister> diablios miner also was not reportig it!
2437 2010-12-04 20:01:35 <xelister> untill I requested adding this assertion
2438 2010-12-04 20:01:39 <brocktice> xelister: was it reporting that it found blocks?
2439 2010-12-04 20:01:45 <brocktice> when in fact it had not?
2440 2010-12-04 20:01:52 <xelister> since I found out some coins are missing from ballance despite being claimed "found" by miner
2441 2010-12-04 20:02:00 <brocktice> that is not happening for me with m0's
2442 2010-12-04 20:02:03 <xelister> previously it was reporting founding at same speed as m0's
2443 2010-12-04 20:02:20 <Hogofwar> Link to alternative GPU miner?
2444 2010-12-04 20:02:25 <xelister> I got suspicious so I looked at logs and noted half of reported finidnig
2445 2010-12-04 20:02:37 <brocktice> Hogofwar: what do you mean alternative?
2446 2010-12-04 20:02:39 <brocktice> which one?
2447 2010-12-04 20:02:44 <Hogofwar> yes
2448 2010-12-04 20:02:48 <brocktice> no on
2449 2010-12-04 20:02:51 <brocktice> no no
2450 2010-12-04 20:02:52 <Hogofwar> Anotehr GPU miner like diablos?
2451 2010-12-04 20:02:55 <brocktice> Oh
2452 2010-12-04 20:03:26 <brocktice> here's mine: https://github.com/brocktice/poclbm
2453 2010-12-04 20:03:26 <Hogofwar> opencl miner will do
2454 2010-12-04 20:03:30 <brocktice> which is a fork of m0mchil's
2455 2010-12-04 20:03:37 <Hogofwar> is it better?
2456 2010-12-04 20:03:37 <brocktice> and he's supposedly going to pull in my changes here soon
2457 2010-12-04 20:03:49 <brocktice> Hogofwar: I abstracted the meat into a Python class
2458 2010-12-04 20:03:57 <brocktice> If you're running on Linux the daemon.py is nice to have
2459 2010-12-04 20:04:08 <brocktice> It's not written for windows but it should be easy for someone else to do something different/edit mine.
2460 2010-12-04 20:04:22 <xelister> brocktice: lets add assertion to yours and run it. Perhaps it is also just reporting finding blocks, but half of this blocks is silently invalid blocks
2461 2010-12-04 20:04:24 <brocktice> otherwise client.py will give you identical behavior to m0mchil's
2462 2010-12-04 20:04:28 <Hogofwar> i have m0mchils but how do i run it?
2463 2010-12-04 20:04:34 <brocktice> xelister: I'm getting most or all of the blocks it says I should
2464 2010-12-04 20:04:41 <brocktice> xelister: I've been watching closely for a month
2465 2010-12-04 20:04:52 <brocktice> xelister: if you submit a patch I'll happily add it
2466 2010-12-04 20:04:54 <xelister> brocktice: ok then.. so you run 2 instances of the miner to handle 5970 ?
2467 2010-12-04 20:05:07 <xelister> -d 1 and -d 2
2468 2010-12-04 20:05:09 <brocktice> xelister: My miner spawns 1 thread/core
2469 2010-12-04 20:05:14 <xelister> k
2470 2010-12-04 20:05:15 <brocktice> one process actually
2471 2010-12-04 20:05:25 <xelister> how is it portable to windows?
2472 2010-12-04 20:05:30 <xelister> or even, crossbuildable
2473 2010-12-04 20:05:36 <brocktice> well, AFAIK m0mchil's runs on windows
2474 2010-12-04 20:05:44 <brocktice> client.py + BitcoinMiner.py = m0mchil's miner
2475 2010-12-04 20:05:48 <xelister> I liked in diablo's miner that it was 100% crossbuildable - build on linux, run on windows
2476 2010-12-04 20:05:55 <brocktice> that would require running a separate instance for each core
2477 2010-12-04 20:06:07 <brocktice> Feel free to keep using Diablo's :)
2478 2010-12-04 20:06:27 <xelister> well, it appears o.k. for all other then 5970
2479 2010-12-04 20:06:39 * brocktice shrugs
2480 2010-12-04 20:06:49 <brocktice> I'm mining to first repay my hardware investment, which was around $2200
2481 2010-12-04 20:06:55 <xelister> >_>
2482 2010-12-04 20:06:58 <brocktice> I don't have time to dick around with software that doesn't work
2483 2010-12-04 20:07:02 <xelister> what you bought
2484 2010-12-04 20:07:19 <brocktice> rackmount case + hardware, 2 5970s and water cooling for the cards.
2485 2010-12-04 20:07:24 <xelister> `` Diablo-3d's miner software review: <brocktice> I don't have time to dick around with software that doesn't work
2486 2010-12-04 20:07:25 <brocktice> almost paid off now
2487 2010-12-04 20:07:27 <xelister> `` Diablo-3d's miner software review: <brocktice> I don't have time to dick around with software that doesn't work ''
2488 2010-12-04 20:07:47 <brocktice> It seems to kind of / mostly be working now
2489 2010-12-04 20:07:50 <brocktice> But I also mean Windows
2490 2010-12-04 20:07:58 <brocktice> my miner box is a dedicated linux server doing one thing only
2491 2010-12-04 20:08:22 <brocktice> (actually that's a lie, now I'm also using it to run a buildslave for buildbot)
2492 2010-12-04 20:08:22 <xelister> lol perhaps diablos miner was a conspiracy
2493 2010-12-04 20:08:25 <brocktice> but you get the idea
2494 2010-12-04 20:08:29 <xelister> to slow down 5970 miners :P
2495 2010-12-04 20:08:35 <brocktice> Diablo's miner exists because he hates python
2496 2010-12-04 20:08:38 <brocktice> and that's the only reason.
2497 2010-12-04 20:08:55 <xelister> in fact python is less portable here
2498 2010-12-04 20:09:15 <brocktice> I happen to like Python, and even if I didn't I wouldn't spend a bunch of time recoding something that already works from scratch in a language I knew better.
2499 2010-12-04 20:09:22 <brocktice> waste of time
2500 2010-12-04 20:09:36 <brocktice> he hasn't even got a fast card to run it on, he just annoys people into testing things for him
2501 2010-12-04 20:10:12 <brocktice> m0's is known to run on windows
2502 2010-12-04 20:10:18 <brocktice> but really I couldn't care less
2503 2010-12-04 20:10:38 <Kiba> talking behind Diablo's back!
2504 2010-12-04 20:10:40 <brocktice> I want to set it up and forget it, and I'm happy to work with people taking a similar approach to improve my miner daemon while targeting Linux.
2505 2010-12-04 20:10:45 <brocktice> Kiba: whatever, it's logged
2506 2010-12-04 20:10:49 <brocktice> and I've said as much to his face
2507 2010-12-04 20:11:00 <brocktice> feel free to quote me
2508 2010-12-04 20:11:02 <Hogofwar> runnning m0's now
2509 2010-12-04 20:11:10 <Hogofwar> Hope my fan can handle it
2510 2010-12-04 20:11:22 <Hogofwar> what should be the typical khash/s
2511 2010-12-04 20:11:24 <xelister> you can find more fans on facebook
2512 2010-12-04 20:11:28 <brocktice> lol
2513 2010-12-04 20:11:31 <brocktice> Hogofwar: what hardware?
2514 2010-12-04 20:11:32 <xelister> but they are idiots usually >_>
2515 2010-12-04 20:11:36 <Hogofwar> :P
2516 2010-12-04 20:11:37 <brocktice> And are you running m0's or my version?
2517 2010-12-04 20:11:47 <Hogofwar> m0's
2518 2010-12-04 20:11:50 <Kiba> wee! 3 downloads!
2519 2010-12-04 20:11:59 <Hogofwar> brock i syours pre compilied?
2520 2010-12-04 20:12:01 <Kiba> now, I have .99 BTC in earning
2521 2010-12-04 20:12:01 <brocktice> Kiba: I downloaded the latest version when we were talking about it earlier
2522 2010-12-04 20:12:15 <brocktice> Hogofwar: It's python, normally it's not precompiled
2523 2010-12-04 20:12:20 <brocktice> You do have to install pyopencl though
2524 2010-12-04 20:12:32 <Kiba> 1.1 earned...and so....99
2525 2010-12-04 20:12:34 <Kiba> .99 for me
2526 2010-12-04 20:13:03 <brocktice> woohoo, got my Wirtland citizenship application
2527 2010-12-04 20:13:14 <Hogofwar> Yeah, i don't have python so i can't use it :?
2528 2010-12-04 20:13:16 <Hogofwar> :/
2529 2010-12-04 20:13:23 <brocktice> Guess not
2530 2010-12-04 20:13:26 <brocktice> you could install python
2531 2010-12-04 20:14:31 <Hogofwar> I am running ati radeon HD 4800
2532 2010-12-04 20:14:39 <Hogofwar> but wait improvements does your version offer?
2533 2010-12-04 20:14:43 <Hogofwar> to the end user?
2534 2010-12-04 20:14:50 <brocktice> Mine vs m0's?
2535 2010-12-04 20:14:59 <brocktice> Firstly, soon they will be one and the same
2536 2010-12-04 20:15:24 <brocktice> Second, mine includes an additional script designed for running on a dedicated mining box, full time.
2537 2010-12-04 20:15:29 <brocktice> But, it targets Linux
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2539 2010-12-04 20:17:09 <brocktice> Moreover, the meat of the program is in a Python class, BitcoinMiner, that can be used to create custom mining programs with little additional work.
2540 2010-12-04 20:17:33 <xelister> actually I like java > python
2541 2010-12-04 20:17:43 <xelister> to bad diablos miner is not working fully on 5970 yet
2542 2010-12-04 20:17:56 <brocktice> You could try fixing it then
2543 2010-12-04 20:18:26 <xelister> hm. perhaps...
2544 2010-12-04 20:18:39 <xelister> brocktice: or perhaps in fact our systems share same opencl problem
2545 2010-12-04 20:18:52 <xelister> what exact version of drivers, disto, system you have
2546 2010-12-04 20:19:05 <brocktice> ubuntu 10.04 x86_64, catalyst 10.10
2547 2010-12-04 20:19:46 Hogofwar has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2548 2010-12-04 20:19:52 <xelister> how you install catalyst 10.10 actually?
2549 2010-12-04 20:20:11 <xelister> just run the 100 mb .run file from amd (and beore uninstall normal fglrx, and after run aticonfig --initial)?
2550 2010-12-04 20:21:59 <brocktice> I gave you instructions yesterday...
2551 2010-12-04 20:22:16 <brocktice> use the .run file with --help, there are instructions for building packages for maverick
2552 2010-12-04 20:22:30 <brocktice> then install those with dpkg -i (list of files)
2553 2010-12-04 20:23:06 <brocktice> just fgi
2554 2010-12-04 20:23:11 <brocktice> time for errands, back later
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2556 2010-12-04 20:23:53 <Hogofwar> does it tell me when i get a block?
2557 2010-12-04 20:24:02 ciuciu_ has joined
2558 2010-12-04 20:24:16 <Hogofwar> Also how fast would it take me to get a block at 51234 khash/s
2559 2010-12-04 20:24:41 <[Noodles]> ;;bc,calc 51234
2560 2010-12-04 20:24:41 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 51234 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 1 week, 0 days, 20 hours, 6 minutes, and 38 seconds
2561 2010-12-04 20:24:49 <Hogofwar> fuuuu
2562 2010-12-04 20:25:09 <xelister> what?
2563 2010-12-04 20:25:13 <xelister> 1 week is actually fast
2564 2010-12-04 20:25:21 <[Noodles]> thats what you get from a HD48xx?
2565 2010-12-04 20:25:24 <xelister> in practice it can be more like 1.5 w sicne diff changes
2566 2010-12-04 20:25:25 <Hogofwar> longer than i thought :P
2567 2010-12-04 20:25:34 <Hogofwar> yeah
2568 2010-12-04 20:25:55 <xelister> world BEST gfx card (that costs 500 USD) will get you a block each day
2569 2010-12-04 20:25:58 <xelister> or more
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2571 2010-12-04 20:25:59 <Hogofwar> Is it safe for me to keep my GPU going like this for 1.5 weeks
2572 2010-12-04 20:26:08 <xelister> Hogofwar: invest in cooling :P
2573 2010-12-04 20:26:13 <[Noodles]> i thought i might be better than my 5570, which gets ~64000
2574 2010-12-04 20:26:14 <Hogofwar> :P
2575 2010-12-04 20:26:21 <xelister> Hogofwar: do not over clock it
2576 2010-12-04 20:26:22 <Hogofwar> i am running a ton of stuff
2577 2010-12-04 20:26:42 <xelister> [Noodles]: normal 5970 gets 530M
2578 2010-12-04 20:26:44 <[Noodles]> do not? why not? i overclock all my cards ^.^
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2580 2010-12-04 20:27:00 <[Noodles]> yeah, i know, i got a 5850 running too which gets 300
2581 2010-12-04 20:27:02 <xelister> it can get demaged
2582 2010-12-04 20:27:16 <[Noodles]> M, not k ^.^
2583 2010-12-04 20:27:44 <[Noodles]> damaged...pfft, i never burned a card in my life
2584 2010-12-04 20:29:34 <[Noodles]> 5850 runs at 925MHz, stock 725, 5570 at 710, stock 650, both aren't getting that hot, although they'r air-cooled only
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2586 2010-12-04 20:33:36 <Hogofwar> How long would be spped take on teh test netwrok?
2587 2010-12-04 20:33:44 <Hogofwar> *the test network
2588 2010-12-04 20:34:27 <[Noodles]> no idea what the difficulty is on testnet, i'd guess a few hours
2589 2010-12-04 20:34:55 <theymos> Testnet difficulty is 5.3.
2590 2010-12-04 20:35:06 <[Noodles]> lol, so it's minutes
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2592 2010-12-04 20:36:05 <Hogofwar> is the comand -testnet
2593 2010-12-04 20:36:21 <Hogofwar> *is it
2594 2010-12-04 20:36:32 <theymos> Yes.
2595 2010-12-04 20:38:33 ciuciu has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2596 2010-12-04 20:38:37 <Hogofwar> Okay
2597 2010-12-04 20:39:17 <edcba> http://imgur.com/or2dv
2598 2010-12-04 20:42:40 <Hogofwar> I would like m0's miner to show resulting balance :(
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2600 2010-12-04 20:48:04 <edcba> hmm so wikileaks paypal account has been closed ? :)
2601 2010-12-04 20:48:13 <Xunie> Bitcoin to the rescue!
2602 2010-12-04 20:48:34 <Xunie> (Although this actually is a bad idea, since the US government has more processing power than the Bitcoin network.
2603 2010-12-04 20:48:58 <edcba> doesn't really matter
2604 2010-12-04 20:49:14 <edcba> time for them to setup something we may have a lot more adoption lol
2605 2010-12-04 20:49:46 <edcba> also i read assange did work on crypto it may interest him directly
2606 2010-12-04 20:51:07 <Xunie> I found no way to contact them though, do they have an email?
2607 2010-12-04 20:51:54 <Lysacor> New guy here. As long as there is some kind of financial outlet for them to accept funds, that is what matters. Based on my limited experience with Bitcoin, and dealing with third party exchanges, I believe it might behoove them to look at it.
2608 2010-12-04 20:52:42 <Kiba> please be more specific
2609 2010-12-04 20:53:10 <Xunie> Lysacor, it may be beneficial to Wikileaks, but not to the Bitcoin network.
2610 2010-12-04 20:53:14 <Hogofwar> There is a topic already on the forums
2611 2010-12-04 20:53:41 <Hogofwar> ALso, is tehr eplaned in teh future to be a way to "request" bitcoins from an address?
2612 2010-12-04 20:53:44 <Xunie> See, if the media outlets/US government know that Wikileaks is using Bitcoin to accept donations, they'll try to bring it down!
2613 2010-12-04 20:53:48 <Hogofwar> *there a plan
2614 2010-12-04 20:54:02 <Lysacor> True, the bitcoin network would garner a huge amount of negative attention.
2615 2010-12-04 20:54:04 <Kiba> Xunie: then, we get the piratebay guys tell everyone to run a bitcoin client
2616 2010-12-04 20:54:51 <theymos> If the US government attacks the network without some sort of warrant, can't we all individually sue them for the same laws that make DDoS attacks on websites illegal?
2617 2010-12-04 20:55:18 <edcba> "Looking on the bright side, if Bitcoin did get known as the Wikileaks currency, attacked by governments all over the world, at least we'd get our Wikipedia page back!" haha :)
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2619 2010-12-04 20:55:31 <Lysacor> I would like to be more specific Kiba, but I am only used to using LD USD to transfer in/out funds from mt gox trading of bitcoins. So my opinion is definitely not an authoritative one.
2620 2010-12-04 20:56:25 <edcba> Xunie: how would they bring bitcoin down *legally* ?
2621 2010-12-04 20:56:33 <[Noodles]> Hogofwar: 'request' bitcoins? hell no! how about asking your customers to pay? might work if you ask nicely
2622 2010-12-04 20:56:50 <Hogofwar> What's so bad about it :P
2623 2010-12-04 20:57:20 <[Noodles]> i dont want anyone to "request" coins from my client, they can just call me instead
2624 2010-12-04 20:57:28 <Lysacor> edcba: Request ISPs block the general ports of communication bitcoin uses. It would cripple it in the US, and any country using the US as a common carrier to another country.
2625 2010-12-04 20:58:11 <Lysacor> At the rate the US is undergoing a shift in policy, it wouldn't be out of the question, as disturbing as it might be.
2626 2010-12-04 20:58:37 <Kiba> eh, we're fighitng not only for money freedom
2627 2010-12-04 20:58:41 <Kiba> but also freedom of speech
2628 2010-12-04 20:58:51 <Kiba> but if government do that
2629 2010-12-04 20:58:58 <Kiba> there will be massive media attention
2630 2010-12-04 20:59:05 <theymos> Bitcoin could easily use alternative ports. ISPs would have to do deep-packet inspection, which is very expensive.
2631 2010-12-04 20:59:20 <Lysacor> deep-packet inspection isn't as expensive as you think...
2632 2010-12-04 21:00:10 <Lysacor> For large ISP's and major carriers, it is already in place. Why do you think some of them are able to throttle?
2633 2010-12-04 21:00:29 <Lysacor> The only thing I haven't seen them do yet is to break into encrypted communications
2634 2010-12-04 21:00:35 <theymos> They throttle based on ports and data size. It's not free to look into every packet going through your network.
2635 2010-12-04 21:00:36 <Lysacor> But, that is not impossible either
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2637 2010-12-04 21:01:47 <Lysacor> I know of at least one ISP that uses equipment that does DPI, by way of the vendor my employer uses for the same thing
2638 2010-12-04 21:02:00 <Lysacor> in the US
2639 2010-12-04 21:03:51 <Lysacor> Kiba: Mass media attention external to the US, internally, maybe a day or two based on the Wikileaks situation. Even ATT's intentional blocking of access to a 4chan.org server was never fully put out in the news.
2640 2010-12-04 21:04:07 <theymos> It's not impossible. Comcast did DPI against BitTorrent. But most ISPs will be very resistant to having to buy new DPI hardware.
2641 2010-12-04 21:05:16 <theymos> They were blocking 4chan for network management reasons. Someone was doing a SYN attack against 4chan, and AT&T was bothered by the resulting RSTs.
2642 2010-12-04 21:06:19 <Lysacor> Yes, that is true. But there were enthusiasts of the site that flooded other websites (slashdot, reddit, digg etc..) with information regarding the situation. But I don't recall seeing anything on the news about it. Even a mention
2643 2010-12-04 21:06:55 <theymos> Wasn't it only down for a day? Not really enough time for mainstream news to pick up on it.
2644 2010-12-04 21:07:24 <Lysacor> Google's mail system was down for an hour or two, but there was something on CNN about it.
2645 2010-12-04 21:07:48 <Lysacor> It depends on the number of users, and the popularity of the users affected
2646 2010-12-04 21:08:12 <Lysacor> as well as the visibility of the system involved to the rest of the world.
2647 2010-12-04 21:08:28 <Kiba> did 4chan ever get mentioned?
2648 2010-12-04 21:08:33 <theymos> The media love Wikileaks. If they use Bitcoin and Bitcoin is filtered, it would make the news.
2649 2010-12-04 21:09:02 <Lysacor> 4chan was not mentioned in US media releases that I recall.
2650 2010-12-04 21:09:04 <Kiba> 4chan is an inconsequentail imageboard
2651 2010-12-04 21:09:19 <Kiba> wikileak is like a spy novel
2652 2010-12-04 21:09:30 <Lysacor> Yes, it appeals to different audiences
2653 2010-12-04 21:09:46 <Lysacor> A wider audience
2654 2010-12-04 21:10:53 <Lysacor> If bitcoin were associated with wikileaks, the results are hard to predict.
2655 2010-12-04 21:11:08 <theymos> The stuff Wikileaks releases are not exactly "spy novel" material. It's dead boring. We rely on the media to go through the gigabytes of material and make it interesting.
2656 2010-12-04 21:11:58 <Kiba> the media don't have balls
2657 2010-12-04 21:12:02 <Kiba> so they rely on...wikileak
2658 2010-12-04 21:12:17 <Xunie> <Kiba> Xunie: then, we get the piratebay guys tell everyone to run a bitcoin client << why not do it right now?
2659 2010-12-04 21:13:02 <Xunie> <edcba> Xunie: how would they bring bitcoin down *legally* ? << They would by calling it a money laundering business and attack it with a super computer that hashes.
2660 2010-12-04 21:13:03 <Lysacor> The major media outlets are cowards. Agreed.
2661 2010-12-04 21:13:41 <theymos> I dislike The Pirate Bay. They make the BitTorrent community weaker: they secretly operated all three of the top BitTorrent trackers, and then when they all went down, the community was SOL.
2662 2010-12-04 21:13:48 <Xunie> <Lysacor> edcba: Request ISPs block the general ports of communication bitcoin uses. It would cripple it in the US, and any country using the US as a common carrier to another country. << Run Bitcoin over Tor! It's been done before!
2663 2010-12-04 21:14:15 <Kiba> apperantly
2664 2010-12-04 21:14:21 <Kiba> we got a lot of work before we can make bitcoin resilent
2665 2010-12-04 21:14:38 <Xunie> theymos, and we had DHT and magnet links.
2666 2010-12-04 21:15:08 <theymos> Still irresponsible for them to do that just for a bit of attention.
2667 2010-12-04 21:15:35 <Xunie> theymos, what are you talking about?
2668 2010-12-04 21:15:41 <xelister> ERROR: BitcoinMiner : generated block is stale
2669 2010-12-04 21:15:45 <xelister> what wtf is that?
2670 2010-12-04 21:15:52 <Xunie> Kiba, we need a bigger network.
2671 2010-12-04 21:16:16 <Kiba> bigger, meaner, leander
2672 2010-12-04 21:16:17 <Xunie> xelister, maybe it got rejected by the network because someone made that same block? I don't know, there is a chance that can happen.
2673 2010-12-04 21:16:19 <Kiba> ,weener
2674 2010-12-04 21:16:31 <xelister> Xunie: im on testnet
2675 2010-12-04 21:19:19 <theymos> Xunie: TPB secretly operates dennis.stalker and OpenBitTorrent. There used to be clear evidence of this in DNS. These are the most popular open trackers, and a giant single source of failure for the network.
2676 2010-12-04 21:21:03 <theymos> They also lied about the Sealand purchase to get donations, and they've several times promised new technologies that they just forgot about. I have no respect for TPB - they just want media attention.
2677 2010-12-04 21:21:05 <Hogofwar> or they just ran off the same isp
2678 2010-12-04 21:21:15 <bonsaikitten> theymos: which then becomes money
2679 2010-12-04 21:21:20 <bonsaikitten> nothing wrong with that :)
2680 2010-12-04 21:21:50 <theymos> They are free to trick people into donating to them. I am free to see them as frauds.
2681 2010-12-04 21:21:58 <bonsaikitten> yer
2682 2010-12-04 21:24:00 <Xunie> theymos, agreed, and I am still free to get my latest warez from there.
2683 2010-12-04 21:24:45 <theymos> Hogofwar: The tracker URLs for both sites used to be CNAMEs for the TPB's tracker. And I believe they are still hosted "near" TPB on IP. It's pretty obvious they're all owned by the same people.
2684 2010-12-04 21:26:55 <Xunie> This might sound ignorant, but I personally don't care. TPB does a good job of keeping a site up, and is in my opinion a good tracker, besides for some downtime, ofcourse.
2685 2010-12-04 21:29:18 <Xunie> See, TPB's legality in countries is of some debate. Not like the RIAA and MPAA 'likes' TPB. Hence some downtime.
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2689 2010-12-04 21:37:11 <Hogofwar> What's the time for 87645 khash/s
2690 2010-12-04 21:37:22 <xelister> 87M is around 1.5 week probably
2691 2010-12-04 21:37:55 <Hogofwar> i was told that for 51M
2692 2010-12-04 21:38:06 <fedorared> Depends how lucky you are
2693 2010-12-04 21:38:19 <Hogofwar> ;;help
2694 2010-12-04 21:38:20 <gribble> The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/
2695 2010-12-04 21:38:39 <Hogofwar> ;;bc 87645 ;;calculate
2696 2010-12-04 21:38:39 <gribble> Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
2697 2010-12-04 21:38:43 <Hogofwar> >_>
2698 2010-12-04 21:38:50 <OneFixt> ;;bc,calculate 87645
2699 2010-12-04 21:38:50 <gribble> Error: "bc,calculate" is not a valid command.
2700 2010-12-04 21:39:13 <Hogofwar> ;;bc,calc 87645
2701 2010-12-04 21:39:15 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 87645 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 4 days, 13 hours, 57 minutes, and 44 seconds
2702 2010-12-04 21:39:20 <Hogofwar> ooh
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2704 2010-12-04 21:40:06 <OneFixt> =)
2705 2010-12-04 21:43:20 <Kiba> The RIAA and MPAA don't like users
2706 2010-12-04 21:43:26 <Kiba> and users don't like them/don't care
2707 2010-12-04 21:43:36 <Kiba> so that why RIAA and MPAA can't shut them down for any length of time
2708 2010-12-04 21:43:51 <Kiba> they don't cultivate supporters
2709 2010-12-04 21:45:20 <Lysacor> They are businesses, they are in it for the bottom line. Whatever negatively effects their bottom line, they try to prevent and/or eliminate.
2710 2010-12-04 21:45:39 <Lysacor> No apologies for them, but it is a really bad way to maintain business what they are doing.
2711 2010-12-04 21:46:35 <Kiba> indeed
2712 2010-12-04 21:50:33 <Hogofwar> What business? I thought they sued for a living...
2713 2010-12-04 21:51:02 <Lysacor> Touche
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2716 2010-12-04 21:52:55 <Hogofwar> 99% cpu for bitcoind
2717 2010-12-04 21:52:57 <Hogofwar> >_>
2718 2010-12-04 21:53:54 <Lysacor> Well, it is working :P
2719 2010-12-04 21:54:36 <Hogofwar> Goddamn my hosting still hasn't replied yet to opening 8332
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2721 2010-12-04 21:56:04 <theymos> You could create a ssh tunnel. Then you wouldn't have to allow Internet connections to RPC, either.
2722 2010-12-04 21:56:37 <Hogofwar> how would i do that?
2723 2010-12-04 21:57:39 <theymos> Run sshd on the server. Then connect with ssh -L 8332:127.0.0.1:8332 serverUserName@serverIP. Then you can connect to RPC at the client's 127.0.0.1:8332.
2724 2010-12-04 21:58:38 <Hogofwar> Can't run anything on the server >_>
2725 2010-12-04 21:58:47 <Hogofwar> Just a webserver
2726 2010-12-04 21:58:50 <Hogofwar> Or
2727 2010-12-04 21:59:02 <Hogofwar> I could try running it with php
2728 2010-12-04 21:59:37 <Hogofwar> is it included in most linux distros?
2729 2010-12-04 22:00:42 <theymos> Yes, but probably not running.
2730 2010-12-04 22:01:33 <Hogofwar> would i need to run something at my ened?
2731 2010-12-04 22:01:35 <Hogofwar> *end
2732 2010-12-04 22:01:48 <theymos> You need to be running sshd.
2733 2010-12-04 22:02:18 <theymos> You probably already have it installed.
2734 2010-12-04 22:02:35 <theymos> It's usually in /usr/sbin, so you might not see it if you're not root.
2735 2010-12-04 22:03:56 <theymos> I kind of doubt you'll be able to run ssh on the server. Being able to run random programs seems like something a shared hosting provider would really like to prevent.
2736 2010-12-04 22:05:38 <theymos> Why do you need your host to open 8332? Are they blocking outbound connections?
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2739 2010-12-04 22:10:34 <Hogofwar> yes
2740 2010-12-04 22:10:37 <Hogofwar> seems to be
2741 2010-12-04 22:11:02 <Hogofwar> Also, it might be a problem.. I'm on windows
2742 2010-12-04 22:11:28 <theymos> Just use -rpcport=80 or something so that you can connect on an allowed port.
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2744 2010-12-04 22:17:07 <Hogofwar> i can do that?
2745 2010-12-04 22:17:15 <Hogofwar> WHy did nobody say that ebfore >_>
2746 2010-12-04 22:18:16 <Kiba> you didn't ask?
2747 2010-12-04 22:18:38 <Hogofwar> touche
2748 2010-12-04 22:18:56 <Hogofwar> can i put that in the ocnfig?
2749 2010-12-04 22:19:21 <theymos> Yeah. rpcport=80
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2752 2010-12-04 22:25:18 <Hogofwar> Stacey solomon won!
2753 2010-12-04 22:27:41 <Hogofwar> my webapp still isn't connecting >_>
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2756 2010-12-04 22:37:55 <Hogofwar> It seems rpcport doesn'tw ork
2757 2010-12-04 22:38:49 <theymos> Did you forward the new port? Is your ISP blocking port 80?
2758 2010-12-04 22:40:35 <Hogofwar> Well it works when i do localhost/127.0.0.1
2759 2010-12-04 22:40:45 <Hogofwar> But using my own actual ip doesn't work
2760 2010-12-04 22:40:51 <theymos> What's your IP?
2761 2010-12-04 22:40:54 <Hogofwar> 80.0.171.215
2762 2010-12-04 22:41:03 <Hogofwar> had it to port 80
2763 2010-12-04 22:41:11 <Hogofwar> let me see if i have that forwarded
2764 2010-12-04 22:41:48 <Hogofwar> ooooh
2765 2010-12-04 22:41:51 <Hogofwar> Works now
2766 2010-12-04 22:42:01 <Hogofwar> I realised i had it forwarded to anotehr computer >_>
2767 2010-12-04 22:42:44 <Hogofwar> well... it connect?
2768 2010-12-04 22:42:46 <Hogofwar> s
2769 2010-12-04 22:42:47 <Hogofwar> at last
2770 2010-12-04 22:42:50 <Hogofwar> now
2771 2010-12-04 22:43:04 <Hogofwar> anyone hava a link to bitcoin-php?
2772 2010-12-04 22:43:16 <Hogofwar> nevermind
2773 2010-12-04 22:46:05 <Hogofwar> IT WORKS
2774 2010-12-04 22:46:08 <Hogofwar> AFTER 2 DAYS
2775 2010-12-04 22:46:10 <Hogofwar> IT WORKS
2776 2010-12-04 22:47:54 <Lysacor> Congrats!
2777 2010-12-04 22:48:54 <Hogofwar> Does anyone know how I can get m0's miner to change ports?
2778 2010-12-04 22:48:59 <Hogofwar> And thanks!
2779 2010-12-04 22:53:26 <[Noodles]> m0's miner: by starting it with --host=<ip> --port=<port> maybe? poclbm -h is your friend
2780 2010-12-04 23:05:26 <Hogofwar> Yeah i got it at the end
2781 2010-12-04 23:05:29 <Hogofwar> -p
2782 2010-12-04 23:06:00 <Hogofwar> Does m0's miner save what it has done so far and resumes when run again?
2783 2010-12-04 23:07:13 <theymos> There's nothing to save. Mining is flipping a coin a million times per second: you're not creating any data.
2784 2010-12-04 23:07:36 <Hogofwar> oh
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2787 2010-12-04 23:20:06 <eureka^> WOULD YOU LIKE SOME J'S? I WILL BE RIGHT BACK WITH SOME J'S. JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ I AM JUST THAT GOOD.
2788 2010-12-04 23:20:29 <FreeMoney> ;estimate
2789 2010-12-04 23:20:35 <nanotube> ;;bc,stats
2790 2010-12-04 23:20:37 <gribble> Current Blocks: 95587 | Current Difficulty: 8078.19525793 | Next Difficulty At Block: 96767 | Next Difficulty In: 1180 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 0 hours, 52 minutes, and 13 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 10966.42527212
2791 2010-12-04 23:20:40 <nanotube> FreeMoney: --^ :)
2792 2010-12-04 23:20:49 <FreeMoney> thanks
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2795 2010-12-04 23:23:23 <Hogofwar> Hey FreeMoney, can i have some free money?
2796 2010-12-04 23:24:06 <FreeMoney> yep, you can have all you can get
2797 2010-12-04 23:24:12 <Hogofwar> Where?
2798 2010-12-04 23:25:24 <Hogofwar> And hwo?
2799 2010-12-04 23:25:34 <Hogofwar> TBH i would take greatness over money anyday
2800 2010-12-04 23:30:37 osmosis has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
2801 2010-12-04 23:31:21 <Hogofwar> Well, Bye!
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