1 2010-12-06 00:00:53 <lolcat> How big is the bitcoin economy?
   2 2010-12-06 00:03:02 <lolcat> joe_1: It is like 300 people?
   3 2010-12-06 00:03:16 <MacRohard> prolly more like 1000ish
   4 2010-12-06 00:04:16 <MacRohard> i'd assume that the price dip might be due to the 60000 bitcoins stolen from that russian site beign dumped.. but who knows.
   5 2010-12-06 00:04:56 <Kiba> it might have nothing to do with the price drop
   6 2010-12-06 00:05:03 <Kiba> simply that spectulators are impatient
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   8 2010-12-06 00:06:51 <joe_1> lolcat i dont know how many people but bitcoinwatch.com gives off statistics about how many coins are being spent.
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  10 2010-12-06 00:08:05 <Kiba> the EFF actively sent and recieved donation.
  11 2010-12-06 00:08:07 <Kiba> Cool
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  16 2010-12-06 00:18:18 <davux> hi there :)
  17 2010-12-06 00:18:39 <davux> i did my first bitcoin payment via jabber
  18 2010-12-06 00:18:48 <davux> http://gitorious.org/bitcoim/
  19 2010-12-06 00:19:20 <davux> of course the gateway is far from being reliable, so only use it on the testnet if you want to give it a try
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  23 2010-12-06 00:32:09 <alex5771_> does anybody have Libery Reserve accouunt?
  24 2010-12-06 00:33:28 <alex5771_> MacRohard:what russian site?
  25 2010-12-06 00:33:39 <Kiba> is there a mirror of the bitcoin software?
  26 2010-12-06 00:34:01 <Kiba> alex5771_: bctex.com
  27 2010-12-06 00:34:15 <Kiba> I mean, is there a git mirror of bitcoin?
  28 2010-12-06 00:34:30 <Kiba> I guess there is
  29 2010-12-06 00:34:54 <alex5771_> Kiba:how did coins got stolen?
  30 2010-12-06 00:35:04 <nelisky> alex5771_: I have one, you want to try and do a test send? :p
  31 2010-12-06 00:35:23 <alex5771_> nelisky:test what?
  32 2010-12-06 00:35:39 <nelisky> alex5771: was a joke... test sending me money
  33 2010-12-06 00:35:56 <nelisky> it completely looses the punch line when explained, heh
  34 2010-12-06 00:35:58 <Kiba> a trader ripp off a trading group
  35 2010-12-06 00:36:06 <doublec> Kiba, http://github.com/gavinandresen/bitcoin-git
  36 2010-12-06 00:36:22 <alex5771_> nelisky:i already tested it,from that place which sends u 0.05 i send portion of it back
  37 2010-12-06 00:36:50 <gavinandresen> Kiba:  I keep the svn branch up-to-date
  38 2010-12-06 00:36:52 <nelisky> alex5771_: I meant Liberty Reserve
  39 2010-12-06 00:36:53 <OneFixt> MacRohard: when was the 60k stolen?
  40 2010-12-06 00:37:10 <alex5771_> so how did the coins on russian site get stolen?
  41 2010-12-06 00:37:29 <Kiba> a trader in one of the Russian investment club stole the money
  42 2010-12-06 00:37:43 <OneFixt> oh, that's probably not btcex then
  43 2010-12-06 00:37:44 <alex5771_> nelisky:i wanna figure out how LR works,making account what info they want,how to fund it,etc...
  44 2010-12-06 00:38:27 <nelisky> alex5771_: they don't allow in and out directly into other currencies, you have to go though processors
  45 2010-12-06 00:38:47 <nelisky> alex5771_: for me getting LR to wire cheapest is ecardone
  46 2010-12-06 00:39:14 <alex5771_> nelisky:so u dont really deal with LR directly,are they more like Fed Reserve u dont deal with them u deal with ur local comercial bank
  47 2010-12-06 00:39:27 <nelisky> alex5771_: never did the opposite, only mtgox -> LR$, they do require all your info and the color of your underwear
  48 2010-12-06 00:40:01 <nelisky> alex5771_: yeah, that's a good analogy
  49 2010-12-06 00:40:49 <alex5771_> i am thinking of some features to put Reviews mechanism into bitcoin system,not direcly into but make it work with it
  50 2010-12-06 00:41:33 <alex5771_> so when transaction happens any party to transaction can write a review of other one saying if all was fine,then ubefore dealing with that person u can verify prev reviews
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  52 2010-12-06 00:44:21 <alex5771_> what do u guys think about this type of review system?
  53 2010-12-06 00:44:56 <doublec> alex5771_, have you seen the trust system used by #bitcoin-otc?
  54 2010-12-06 00:45:19 <doublec> alex5771_, http://trust.bitcoin-otc.com/
  55 2010-12-06 00:45:39 <alex5771_> let me see
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  57 2010-12-06 00:48:49 <alex5771_> doublec:interesting yea something like that,however on more global basis,for online merchants selling services,so if i go to web site X,i get its rating?
  58 2010-12-06 00:49:02 <doublec> sounds good
  59 2010-12-06 00:51:07 <alex5771_> basicly the idea is to metigate the "problem" of lack of charge backs
  60 2010-12-06 00:53:53 <alex5771_> also i am thinking of a way to have an offline or prtially ofline bitcoin,basicly something similar to 1-time use credit card numbers,a person prints out some number which represnts say 50bit coints,takes piece of paper  and gives it to a store clerk,store puts it into the network sees its valid,and not used and gives the buyer whatever goods he wants for 50BTC
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  62 2010-12-06 00:55:37 <Kiba> some of your ideas had already been discussed on the forum
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  64 2010-12-06 01:06:46 <alex5771_> cool
  65 2010-12-06 01:08:59 <alex5771_> is it me or are Russians somewhat overly represented in this whole BTC business?
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  71 2010-12-06 01:24:32 <OneFixt> ooh, π% of 1337 ≈ 42
  72 2010-12-06 01:45:04 <alex5771_> i am reading about some scripting in Bitcoin system what is it?
  73 2010-12-06 01:47:08 <Kiba> famous free software advocate accept bitcoin!
  74 2010-12-06 01:47:12 <Kiba> alex5771_: extensions
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  76 2010-12-06 01:49:14 <tcatm> alex5771_: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=195.msg1611#msg1611
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  78 2010-12-06 01:50:48 <OneFixt> ;;bc,stats
  79 2010-12-06 01:50:51 <gribble> Current Blocks: 95854 | Current Difficulty: 8078.19525793 | Next Difficulty At Block: 96767 | Next Difficulty In: 913 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 10 hours, 55 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11496.35898369
  80 2010-12-06 01:51:36 <brocktice> .awat
  81 2010-12-06 01:51:41 <brocktice> sorry
  82 2010-12-06 01:51:45 <brocktice> poor alignment FTL
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  84 2010-12-06 01:51:53 <brocktice> WTF, difficulty?
  85 2010-12-06 01:51:59 <brocktice> I thought it was leveling off there, silly me.
  86 2010-12-06 01:52:41 <OneFixt> better take advantage of those falling prices before the diff change hits =)
  87 2010-12-06 01:52:52 <brocktice> OneFixt: I doubt the diff has much influence
  88 2010-12-06 01:53:10 <brocktice> Plot price against diff the last month
  89 2010-12-06 01:53:24 <brocktice> or two
  90 2010-12-06 01:53:33 <OneFixt> diff raises the minimum cost, but price will often go above what it should temporarily
  91 2010-12-06 01:53:53 <brocktice> Price is way, way above the cost of mining right now
  92 2010-12-06 01:53:58 <tcatm> Anyone here knows how to develop android applications?
  93 2010-12-06 01:54:02 <OneFixt> yes that's true
  94 2010-12-06 01:54:04 <brocktice> tcatm: barely
  95 2010-12-06 01:54:08 <brocktice> tcatm: I have a few on the market
  96 2010-12-06 01:54:22 <tcatm> Do you know how bindService() is supposed to work?
  97 2010-12-06 01:54:26 <brocktice> ugh no
  98 2010-12-06 01:54:30 <brocktice> I never messed with services
  99 2010-12-06 01:54:33 <brocktice> didn't have time to get into them
 100 2010-12-06 01:54:38 <brocktice> I really need to though
 101 2010-12-06 01:54:41 <brocktice> sorry :(
 102 2010-12-06 01:55:15 <tcatm> I spent a whole day trying to get it working and I have no idea what I'm doing wrong.
 103 2010-12-06 01:55:48 <brocktice> try stackoverflow?
 104 2010-12-06 01:56:31 <tcatm> found similiar problems there, the solutions didn't work either.
 105 2010-12-06 01:57:40 <tcatm> Would you use something different for Class that will talk to bitcoind via json-rpc?
 106 2010-12-06 01:59:18 <brocktice> tcatm: Sorry, don't know. Like I said, I only know it barely.
 107 2010-12-06 01:59:26 <brocktice> Enough to write a simple GUI
 108 2010-12-06 01:59:44 <brocktice> I wasn't sure what level you were asking at
 109 2010-12-06 02:00:25 <tcatm> mkay
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 114 2010-12-06 02:13:07 <anarchyx> im drunk like a mofo
 115 2010-12-06 02:13:27 <anarchyx> good party tonight lol
 116 2010-12-06 02:13:42 <anarchyx> i went to this gay bar and all the girls were interested
 117 2010-12-06 02:13:58 <anarchyx> real girls
 118 2010-12-06 02:14:00 <anarchyx> for the record :)
 119 2010-12-06 02:14:10 <anarchyx> ok i gotta stop typing or i will regret it in the morning
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 121 2010-12-06 02:15:02 <lolcat> anarchyx: How do you know they were real?
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 123 2010-12-06 02:17:47 <brocktice> anarchyx: lol
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 136 2010-12-06 03:04:21 <Demoted_> whats a quick and easy way to get bitcoins?
 137 2010-12-06 03:04:26 <Demoted_> a survey site or something?
 138 2010-12-06 03:04:36 <lolcat> Demoted_: female?
 139 2010-12-06 03:04:56 <Demoted_> lol no
 140 2010-12-06 03:05:06 <lolcat> Then I guess you could buy some?
 141 2010-12-06 03:05:13 <Demoted_> argh
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 143 2010-12-06 03:05:42 <lolcat> But there is a survey site somewhere
 144 2010-12-06 03:05:51 <lolcat> Demoted_: What do you need bitcoins for?
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 146 2010-12-06 03:06:00 <nelisky> Demoted_: yeah, us males are limited to buying (quick and easy), mining (not quick nor easy) or working for them (not quick, might be easy)
 147 2010-12-06 03:06:18 <nelisky> Demoted_: also scamming others, it seems, guess that's not quick though
 148 2010-12-06 03:06:35 <nelisky> Demoted_: and can be included in the work
 149 2010-12-06 03:06:53 <lolcat> How do they scam others?
 150 2010-12-06 03:07:07 <lolcat> What should I be aware of?
 151 2010-12-06 03:07:26 <Demoted_> oh i mistyped
 152 2010-12-06 03:07:30 <Demoted_> i'm actually a chick
 153 2010-12-06 03:07:32 <nelisky> lolcat: don't know, but I do have this quick way of getting 1000 bitcoins, I'll send you the instructions for just 10
 154 2010-12-06 03:07:37 <nelisky> think of all the profit
 155 2010-12-06 03:08:07 <lolcat> Demoted_: Adress?
 156 2010-12-06 03:08:15 <lolcat> nelisky*
 157 2010-12-06 03:08:38 <nelisky> lolcat: now I'll never get this smile off my face
 158 2010-12-06 03:08:40 <nelisky> :)
 159 2010-12-06 03:09:05 <lolcat> Demoted_: I can tell you how to get bitcoins, just send me 10 ;)
 160 2010-12-06 03:09:09 <[Noodles]> lol
 161 2010-12-06 03:09:44 <nelisky> lolcat: though asking for Demoted_ address after he/she/it admitted to be a chick kind of made sense
 162 2010-12-06 03:09:48 <Demoted_> hell i just want enough too... hey!
 163 2010-12-06 03:09:51 <Demoted_> i have lindens
 164 2010-12-06 03:10:01 <Demoted_> i want enough to use the casino
 165 2010-12-06 03:10:13 <nelisky> Demoted_: great! you can buy more lindens when you get bitcoins!
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 167 2010-12-06 03:10:18 <Demoted_> people get rich off casinos, right?
 168 2010-12-06 03:10:22 <lolcat> Demoted_: Lindens are usless :P I tried using them earlier, apparently I can't do anything with them.
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 170 2010-12-06 03:10:27 <Demoted_> i want to buy bitcoins for lindens
 171 2010-12-06 03:10:43 <lolcat> Demoted_: I would get rich if I made a casino
 172 2010-12-06 03:10:45 <[Noodles]> how much do you need?
 173 2010-12-06 03:11:01 <lolcat> Enough for a sex-change maybe...
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 175 2010-12-06 03:11:29 <[Noodles]> is that bitcoin-sexchange.com?
 176 2010-12-06 03:11:36 <[Noodles]> or is it org?
 177 2010-12-06 03:11:40 <Demoted_> like 20 or something
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 179 2010-12-06 03:11:55 <lolcat> I should so totaly start a bitcoin sex change clinic. Who here wouldn't use it?
 180 2010-12-06 03:12:24 <AAA_awright> Why is this appearing on my chat monitor?
 181 2010-12-06 03:12:36 <grondilu> Hi, how does the code deal with 32 bit machines for the int64 type.  I see on the source that it's defined as long long.  How can that be sufficient ?
 182 2010-12-06 03:13:21 genjix has joined
 183 2010-12-06 03:14:01 <grondilu> I ask that because I'm considering a continuous version at http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2012.0  and it seems to me that 69 * COIN is too a large number for int64
 184 2010-12-06 03:14:18 <lolcat> Demoted_: When you get bitcoins you should check out http://fxnet.co.cc/?ref=233
 185 2010-12-06 03:14:26 <ArtForz> long long is 64 bits on any sane system
 186 2010-12-06 03:14:37 <doublec> ,,pool server updated to the latest code using the 'contributed' hash method. And there's a cuda remote miner.
 187 2010-12-06 03:14:38 <gribble> No fancy GPU, and don't want to wait for months for a block gen? Join the mining pool! http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/bitcoin-pool/
 188 2010-12-06 03:15:06 <nelisky> Demoted_: in all seriousness, go to #bitcoin-otc as that's where all the trading happens
 189 2010-12-06 03:15:35 <lolcat> gribble: Can you give me a 64bit binary for that?
 190 2010-12-06 03:15:57 <grondilu> ArtForz: ah ok
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 194 2010-12-06 03:22:52 <xelister> diablo's miner still sucks even on catalyst 10.10 :[
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 201 2010-12-06 03:51:04 <nelisky> people, over at otc I'm doing the following proposal: I buy amazon.co.uk or amazon.de gift card for bitcoins... I'm only offering this for some 10 minutes, as otherwise I'll just order using credit card, so forgive my OT posting
 202 2010-12-06 03:51:24 <nelisky> rate below bitcoingateway: 0.235
 203 2010-12-06 03:51:31 <nelisky> amount negotiable
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 207 2010-12-06 03:53:36 <nanotube> noagendamarket: hey, i recall you were wanting to do some btc-amazon trades?
 208 2010-12-06 03:53:59 <noagendamarket> hey whats up[?
 209 2010-12-06 03:54:10 <nanotube> join -otc :)
 210 2010-12-06 03:54:33 <nelisky> I went through this with noagendamarket already :)
 211 2010-12-06 03:55:29 <noagendamarket> hey nelisky
 212 2010-12-06 03:55:51 <nanotube> ah
 213 2010-12-06 03:55:54 <nanotube> ok never mind then
 214 2010-12-06 03:55:56 <nanotube> sorry. :)
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 218 2010-12-06 04:01:32 <doublec> ;;bc,calc 1700000
 219 2010-12-06 04:01:33 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1700000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 5 hours, 40 minutes, and 9 seconds
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 222 2010-12-06 04:04:44 <nanotube> doublec: nice, is that your pool hashrate?
 223 2010-12-06 04:04:58 <[Noodles]> not yet ^.^
 224 2010-12-06 04:05:25 <doublec> yeah, not yet
 225 2010-12-06 04:05:40 <[Noodles]> pool is at 30M right now, half of it is coming from my cuda-client :oP
 226 2010-12-06 04:05:44 <xelister> anyone have 5970 and linux, best ubuntu?
 227 2010-12-06 04:05:45 <doublec> one cuda remote client is getting 17,000 khash/s. So I wanted to see what 100 would do.
 228 2010-12-06 04:05:55 <nanotube> doublec: ah nice. :)
 229 2010-12-06 04:06:19 <foggymyst> doublec: whats the pool rate?
 230 2010-12-06 04:06:34 <doublec> foggymyst, the pool has just restarted on the new server. 16 clients, 30,000 khash.
 231 2010-12-06 04:06:41 <doublec> previously it was 100 clients at about 90,000
 232 2010-12-06 04:06:50 <foggymyst> ah, ok
 233 2010-12-06 04:06:54 <nanotube> mm, let's see that ,,pool url
 234 2010-12-06 04:06:54 <gribble> No fancy GPU, and don't want to wait for months for a block gen? Join the mining pool! http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/bitcoin-pool/
 235 2010-12-06 04:06:58 <foggymyst> I had to turn off my two servers that were in the pool
 236 2010-12-06 04:07:09 <doublec> no worries, thanks for contributing!
 237 2010-12-06 04:07:36 * nanotube tries it on his vps
 238 2010-12-06 04:08:01 <nanotube> doublec: yay git repo! :)
 239 2010-12-06 04:08:45 <doublec> hehe
 240 2010-12-06 04:09:00 <ArtForz> 100 clients. slower than a single 5750...
 241 2010-12-06 04:09:24 <doublec> well we've been targeting slow clients as the customers for the pool
 242 2010-12-06 04:09:31 <doublec> so each client was less than 1,000 khash usually
 243 2010-12-06 04:09:52 <ArtForz> obivously, with 100 averageing 90M it's 900k avg
 244 2010-12-06 04:10:17 <ArtForz> a Phenom X6 is like what? 16Mh/s ?
 245 2010-12-06 04:10:47 <xelister> doublec: everyone in the pool should buy BTC and donate so you can buy few 5970 and be x50 faster
 246 2010-12-06 04:10:56 <doublec> I wish
 247 2010-12-06 04:10:58 <[Noodles]> should be, my X3 gets 7200 using 4way
 248 2010-12-06 04:11:17 <ArtForz> not to mention use about 20x less power
 249 2010-12-06 04:11:37 <nanotube> ArtForz: hey, when power is free, why not.
 250 2010-12-06 04:11:53 <xelister> then it is more profitable
 251 2010-12-06 04:12:04 <xelister> to open up a accumulator-rechargers service
 252 2010-12-06 04:12:08 <[Noodles]> xelister: people wont pay, they want "free coins" *giggles
 253 2010-12-06 04:12:11 <xelister> and use the profits to buy BTC
 254 2010-12-06 04:12:35 <xelister> free power -> refill people acumulators -> get money -> get free BTC \o/ -> ??? -> awesome sex win
 255 2010-12-06 04:13:57 <xelister> on real Catalyst 10.10 drivers, on SDK 2.1 and 2.2, with diablo miner, still GPU#2 produces buches of invalid hashes
 256 2010-12-06 04:14:12 <ArtForz> thats really weird
 257 2010-12-06 04:14:44 <xelister> same was on the default ubuntu's (ubuntu maverick) drivers (catalyst 10.10-BETA)
 258 2010-12-06 04:14:50 <ArtForz> best guess diablos miner is doing something ATIs opencl runtime and/or driver doesn't like
 259 2010-12-06 04:14:58 <ArtForz> does m0s miner work?
 260 2010-12-06 04:15:01 <xelister> not sure
 261 2010-12-06 04:15:11 <xelister> last time I checked it appearted to given even more sucking results
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 263 2010-12-06 04:18:35 <xelister> also it slowed down to 450M from 530M after switching from catalyst 10.10-BETA-ubuntu-maverick  to amd's catalyst 10.10
 264 2010-12-06 04:18:58 <ArtForz> yea, same for 10.9 -> 10.10
 265 2010-12-06 04:19:39 <xelister> ArtForz: the slowdown?
 266 2010-12-06 04:19:57 <ArtForz> yep
 267 2010-12-06 04:20:04 <xelister> jesus
 268 2010-12-06 04:20:18 <xelister> wo what drivers are you using then
 269 2010-12-06 04:20:41 <ArtForz> got back to pretty much == 10.9 perf after tweaking my kernel a bit
 270 2010-12-06 04:20:47 <ArtForz> 10.9 on the quad 5970s
 271 2010-12-06 04:21:06 <ArtForz> 10.10 on the 5970+6870
 272 2010-12-06 04:21:27 <ArtForz> 10.9 on my 2*5970+2*5770
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 277 2010-12-06 04:35:48 <xelister> diablo's miner is fucking wiredo n 5970
 278 2010-12-06 04:36:12 <xelister> only gpu#2 generates invalid solutions,  bot never the less, both GPUs with same rate generate correct blocks.
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 280 2010-12-06 04:39:58 <xelister> and "Attempt found" seem to be on GPU#1 around  100 times less!!! then on GPU#2
 281 2010-12-06 04:40:18 <xelister> ^-- diablo, 10.10-amd-catalyst, sdk 2.1 and 2.2
 282 2010-12-06 04:42:08 <OneFixt> ArtForz: I'm wondering if you could help me understand something about block generation
 283 2010-12-06 04:42:55 <OneFixt> the extranonce field - which bitcoin docs say is stored in the block's transaction list and changes the merkle root - how can i go find what the extranonce was for a particular block?
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 287 2010-12-06 04:50:56 <OneFixt> we need a message in #bitcoin letting people know to go to this channel
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 289 2010-12-06 04:51:45 <Joshoph> hi all, i've been running bitcoin for months without a single BTC generated, whats up?
 290 2010-12-06 04:52:07 <Joshoph> am i that unlucky?
 291 2010-12-06 04:52:52 <[Noodles]> or your miner is just to slow to keep up
 292 2010-12-06 04:53:09 <[Noodles]> do you use CPU, or GPU for mining?
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 294 2010-12-06 04:53:38 <Joshoph> Dual-Core 2.5Ghz CPU
 295 2010-12-06 04:54:06 <Joshoph> my rate is ~1000 khash/s with almost 100k blocks so far
 296 2010-12-06 04:54:16 <Joshoph> yet no coin
 297 2010-12-06 04:54:20 <[Noodles]> ;;bc,calc 1000
 298 2010-12-06 04:54:21 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 1 year, 5 weeks, 1 day, 13 hours, 39 minutes, and 44 seconds
 299 2010-12-06 04:54:29 <[Noodles]> ^.~
 300 2010-12-06 04:55:00 <Joshoph> understood, i tried the calcs but they were giving wildly different time spans
 301 2010-12-06 04:55:10 <Joshoph> thus why im asking here
 302 2010-12-06 04:55:21 <[Noodles]> just buy bitcoins, or if you really want to generate some, a decent GPU
 303 2010-12-06 04:55:29 <lolcat> Could I use rainbow tables to generate bitcoins?
 304 2010-12-06 04:55:55 <[Noodles]> wildly different it is, because the difficulty changes (raises actually) every 2016blocks
 305 2010-12-06 04:56:05 <fedorared> Of what, SHA? Way too big.
 306 2010-12-06 04:56:13 <Joshoph> investing my fiat paper currency in bitcoins isnt on my agenda anytime soon, ill just wait a year =)
 307 2010-12-06 04:56:21 <[Noodles]> hehe
 308 2010-12-06 04:56:30 <[Noodles]> or join the mining-pool
 309 2010-12-06 04:56:42 <[Noodles]> http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/bitcoin-pool/
 310 2010-12-06 04:56:49 <Lysacor> yes, we just generated our first block yesterday, after only a few days of being online
 311 2010-12-06 04:56:49 <Diablo-D3> lolcat: no.
 312 2010-12-06 04:56:53 <Joshoph> ill check it out, thanks
 313 2010-12-06 04:57:00 <lolcat> Diablo-D3: Why not?
 314 2010-12-06 04:57:00 <Diablo-D3> Joshoph: why not gpu mine?
 315 2010-12-06 04:57:03 <Kiba> rainbow table?
 316 2010-12-06 04:57:05 <Lysacor> doublec really did well with puddinpop's server implementation
 317 2010-12-06 04:57:12 <nanotube> Diablo-D3: probably he doesn't have a gpu? :)
 318 2010-12-06 04:57:14 <Diablo-D3> lolcat: because a) you cant rainbow table sha, b) you need the actual valid header
 319 2010-12-06 04:57:38 <Diablo-D3> [11:53:33] <Joshoph> my rate is ~1000 khash/s with almost 100k blocks so far
 320 2010-12-06 04:57:43 <Diablo-D3> Joshoph: you're reading the wrong thing
 321 2010-12-06 04:57:46 <Diablo-D3> Joshoph: you have 0 blocks.
 322 2010-12-06 04:57:55 <Diablo-D3> Joshoph: the entire network has almost 100k blocks.
 323 2010-12-06 04:58:46 <Diablo-D3> Joshoph: and your generation rate seems low, my c2d e8500 @ 3.16ghz does 2900 khash, you should be at least above 2000
 324 2010-12-06 05:02:18 <Lysacor> Joshoph: Do you have the bitcoin client set to use only one processor?
 325 2010-12-06 05:03:27 <lolcat> If I connect with a bitcoin farmer to my computer, would I see the generation in my client?
 326 2010-12-06 05:03:51 <Diablo-D3> lolcat: a miner? no
 327 2010-12-06 05:05:32 <lolcat> Yeah, miner
 328 2010-12-06 05:05:41 <lolcat> How will I know when the miner has mined?
 329 2010-12-06 05:05:55 <Diablo-D3> lolcat: you wont see generation statistics, ie, the khash meter
 330 2010-12-06 05:06:01 <Diablo-D3> lolcat: you WILL see new coins
 331 2010-12-06 05:06:18 <Diablo-D3> lolcat: but both my and m0's also says when you mine new coins
 332 2010-12-06 05:07:02 <lolcat> I am curious if my VPS provider would hate me for mining bitcoins...
 333 2010-12-06 05:07:08 <Diablo-D3> yes
 334 2010-12-06 05:07:22 <Diablo-D3> most VPS providers will close accounts that use a lot of cpu time
 335 2010-12-06 05:07:31 <Lysacor> The extra processor utilization wouldn't bring out the welcome mat if that is what you mean :P
 336 2010-12-06 05:07:33 <Diablo-D3> lolcat: also, its a waste of time
 337 2010-12-06 05:07:38 <lolcat> How do i see what cpu it has?
 338 2010-12-06 05:07:44 <Diablo-D3> its a VPS
 339 2010-12-06 05:07:46 <nanotube> lolcat: maybe if you throttle it to 10% of available cpu... :)
 340 2010-12-06 05:07:48 <lolcat> Diablo-D3: Waste of time?
 341 2010-12-06 05:07:48 <Diablo-D3> its not your cpu to begin with
 342 2010-12-06 05:08:03 <Diablo-D3> you're sharing it with a few hundred other customers
 343 2010-12-06 05:08:04 <lolcat> I am paying for a certain amount of IO
 344 2010-12-06 05:08:14 <lolcat> Could you make a javascript miner?
 345 2010-12-06 05:08:25 <Diablo-D3> yes, if you want it about 50x slower
 346 2010-12-06 05:08:44 <lolcat> But javascripts are easy to send about
 347 2010-12-06 05:08:47 <Diablo-D3> but how does that help anything
 348 2010-12-06 05:08:50 AAA_awright_ is now known as AAA_awright
 349 2010-12-06 05:08:55 <Diablo-D3> that'd just run on client browsers
 350 2010-12-06 05:09:10 <lolcat> Yes
 351 2010-12-06 05:09:24 <lolcat> I make myself a website, get a couple of thousands hits a day
 352 2010-12-06 05:09:32 <Diablo-D3> s/thousand/dozen/
 353 2010-12-06 05:09:34 <lolcat> Each visitor helps generating hashes for me
 354 2010-12-06 05:09:40 <Diablo-D3> bots dont execute javascript.
 355 2010-12-06 05:10:01 <Diablo-D3> lolcat: you do realize you're talking about less than 1 mhash, right?
 356 2010-12-06 05:10:17 <nanotube> sneak it into google haha
 357 2010-12-06 05:10:45 <Diablo-D3> nanotube: google could just run bitcoin
 358 2010-12-06 05:10:45 <lolcat> So the only thing I can do to mine is to get an ati HD5850 botnet? :P
 359 2010-12-06 05:10:53 <Diablo-D3> botnet? wtf?
 360 2010-12-06 05:10:58 <Diablo-D3> you mean farm
 361 2010-12-06 05:11:06 <Diablo-D3> lolcat: and no, if you're doing that, you want 5970s
 362 2010-12-06 05:11:21 <Diablo-D3> because every pci-e x16 slot is valuable
 363 2010-12-06 05:11:22 <lolcat> I thougth you said it was called mining...
 364 2010-12-06 05:11:34 <lolcat> Diablo-D3: The mobo Im getting has 4!
 365 2010-12-06 05:11:46 <nanotube> Diablo-D3: heh well, i guess if you can sneak it into google's site code without them noticing... you would do better to just sneak it into their servers and have the servers mine heh
 366 2010-12-06 05:11:52 <Diablo-D3> lolcat: its a miner, but you run them in a farm
 367 2010-12-06 05:11:55 <nanotube> it was all tonge in cheek, anyway. :)
 368 2010-12-06 05:12:38 <lolcat> I should get coding on this bitcoin idea of mine...
 369 2010-12-06 05:13:02 <Diablo-D3> lolcat: its a bad idea.
 370 2010-12-06 05:13:47 <lolcat> A bitcoin slot machine is a bad idea?
 371 2010-12-06 05:13:48 <lolcat> How so?
 372 2010-12-06 05:14:19 <Diablo-D3> thats an even worse idea
 373 2010-12-06 05:17:06 <lolcat> Why?
 374 2010-12-06 05:17:46 <Diablo-D3> because who would actually pay to play?
 375 2010-12-06 05:18:06 <nanotube> Diablo-D3: probably the same guys who go into a casino and play actual slot machines.
 376 2010-12-06 05:18:16 <nanotube> it's a bad idea... but people do it anyway.
 377 2010-12-06 05:18:19 <Diablo-D3> nanotube: yes, but you get actual real money out of those
 378 2010-12-06 05:18:33 <nanotube> and you pay actual real money to play them
 379 2010-12-06 05:18:40 <nanotube> here, you pay bitcoins, you get bitcoins.
 380 2010-12-06 05:18:42 <nanotube> same idea
 381 2010-12-06 05:18:56 <Diablo-D3> but bitcoins are kind of worthless
 382 2010-12-06 05:19:08 <nanotube> what you put in is what you get (just a little less of it, in expectation)
 383 2010-12-06 05:19:10 <Lysacor> Diablo-D3: I am one of those suckers... it is the thrill of the play that is intriguing, regardless of the logic behind it
 384 2010-12-06 05:19:38 <lolcat> Lysacor: So if I make one, I'd have at least one gambler?
 385 2010-12-06 05:19:59 <nanotube> Diablo-D3: how does the idea of bitcoins being 'worthless' at all relevant to the idea of playing slots. you could play them for seashells, buttons, or matches, or dollars.
 386 2010-12-06 05:19:59 <Lysacor> lolcat: well I am not sure if I would be doing it all of the time, but sure I would take a whirl
 387 2010-12-06 05:20:18 <Lysacor> Bitcoins are the value you instill in them, as with any currency
 388 2010-12-06 05:20:55 <Lysacor> Gold, dollars, oil... it is all based on the value an individual, and society as a whole places on it as a method of barter/trade in lieu of actual goods changing hands
 389 2010-12-06 05:21:29 <Lysacor> The bitcoin setup, as I understand it is intended to become valued, hence the reason why we all put CPU/GPU cycles into it
 390 2010-12-06 05:22:22 <Lysacor> Or time spent developing the applications to support it (thank you all for that effort by the way)
 391 2010-12-06 05:24:05 <Kiba> Diablo-D3 is trying to make money by doing what ArtForz did
 392 2010-12-06 05:24:17 <Joshoph> i understand the comparison of bitcoins to fiat paper currency, but can it really be compared to or valued like commodities like oil or gold?
 393 2010-12-06 05:24:38 <Kiba> bitcoins have no "intristic value", no utility other than being money
 394 2010-12-06 05:25:04 <Joshoph> exactly, whereas commodities are meant to do or make something
 395 2010-12-06 05:25:35 <lolcat> But I can sell my bitcoins for USD, EUR or even NOK
 396 2010-12-06 05:25:44 <lolcat> And then buy gold, oil, or fish sticks
 397 2010-12-06 05:25:44 <Kiba> japanese yen.
 398 2010-12-06 05:27:22 <Joshoph> this is true, however the you could make a strong argument that those currencies have no intrinsic value either, and that the acceptance of said currencies for actual commodities is because a delusion held by a majority of the population
 399 2010-12-06 05:27:35 <Joshoph> of a*
 400 2010-12-06 05:27:47 <Kiba> fiat currencies are backed by guns
 401 2010-12-06 05:28:15 <Lysacor> Kiba: Bingo, and to a lesser extent monopolistic business practice
 402 2010-12-06 05:28:21 <Joshoph> guns dont kill people, people kill people
 403 2010-12-06 05:28:36 <Lysacor> guns don't kill people, bullets do
 404 2010-12-06 05:28:59 <Joshoph> intelligent nanobullets?
 405 2010-12-06 05:29:04 <Joshoph> maybe!
 406 2010-12-06 05:29:20 <Kiba> but the problem with gold is that it is hard to transport over the intertube
 407 2010-12-06 05:30:05 <lolcat> I think, if we had 30k users using bitcoins, we would do fine
 408 2010-12-06 05:30:17 <lolcat> If I there were some from every nation
 409 2010-12-06 05:30:22 <Lysacor> yep, and getting gold in bulk past customs without getting the evil eye ouch...
 410 2010-12-06 05:30:32 <lolcat> So we weren't too tied up to the dollar.
 411 2010-12-06 05:31:17 <nanotube> Joshoph: money is nothing more than a convenient means of exchange. it derives value from the expectation of being accepted by others in exchange for useful stuff.
 412 2010-12-06 05:32:17 <Lysacor> Well at least the concept of the bitcoin does not provide for an infinite supply of money. Unless it is redesigned... then we start what the US has been doign for years...
 413 2010-12-06 05:32:20 <Lysacor> doing*
 414 2010-12-06 05:32:38 <Joshoph> that said, that expectation rapidly diminishes when bankers wantonly print trillions of dollars without backing, which is why i like the idea of bitcoins distributing the scarcity out of the hands of the few
 415 2010-12-06 05:32:42 <nanotube> sure, historically, currencies have derived value from their usefulness as a commodity. but not all the time. see seashells (useless), giant round stones (also useless), etc. the main characteristics are scarcity, divisibility, ease of transactions
 416 2010-12-06 05:34:42 <Kiba> we might find a new system somehow that let a cryptocurrency have intrinstic value
 417 2010-12-06 05:36:43 <Joshoph> something like SETI, attaching value to the computations.. tho im sure that question has been mulled over ad nauseam around here
 418 2010-12-06 05:37:12 <Kiba> find problems that is hard to do but easy to verify
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 420 2010-12-06 05:42:02 <Joshoph> i presume the exchange rate for BTC's will go up the more popularity it gains.  i just wonder how one rationalizes switching from one essentially valueless currency to another - even understanding the mass delusion argument(i.e. expectation)
 421 2010-12-06 05:42:35 redMBA has joined
 422 2010-12-06 05:42:38 <Kiba> therei s no such thing as mas delusion
 423 2010-12-06 05:42:45 <Kiba> everything is valued subjectively, after all
 424 2010-12-06 05:46:18 <Joshoph> that sounds like solipsism, which isn't a very useful philosophy imo
 425 2010-12-06 05:47:01 <Joshoph> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism
 426 2010-12-06 05:47:04 <Kiba> no it's not.
 427 2010-12-06 05:47:13 <Kiba> values and pricing are a human thing.
 428 2010-12-06 05:47:24 <Kiba> monkeys have no concept of trading..they can't abstract it
 429 2010-12-06 05:47:42 <jrabbit> huh
 430 2010-12-06 05:47:44 <jrabbit> yes they
 431 2010-12-06 05:47:47 <jrabbit> *can
 432 2010-12-06 05:48:00 <jrabbit> they're been observed prostiuting
 433 2010-12-06 05:48:05 <Joshoph> yea i was just thinking we dont give monkeys enough credit
 434 2010-12-06 05:48:34 <Kiba> as far as I know, they don't get the idea of trading.
 435 2010-12-06 05:48:47 <Lysacor> You mean variable value trading?
 436 2010-12-06 05:48:54 <Kiba> Joshoph: well, it's really intersubjectivism
 437 2010-12-06 05:49:14 <Kiba> but subjectivism is really just really how you see the world
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 439 2010-12-06 05:49:35 <Kiba> a coconut have no price except humans say so. It's just
 440 2010-12-06 05:49:39 <Kiba> ...a coconut
 441 2010-12-06 05:50:10 <Kiba> then when a human trade coconut for something else, it now have a trading ratio.
 442 2010-12-06 05:52:20 <Kiba> The Nathenderal, as far as I know didn't know a thing called the division of labor
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 444 2010-12-06 05:54:01 <nanotube> Joshoph4492: well, one switches from one valueless currency to another because the other has guarantees that some entity won't just willy nilly print a whole bunch more of it.
 445 2010-12-06 05:54:44 <nanotube> Joshoph4492: i.e., why do people like gold as a store of value? because a government can't just go to the printing presses to make more gold.
 446 2010-12-06 05:54:45 <Joshoph4492> okay, this is true - but say for example that said humans trade the coconut for something that has no utility such as seashells or rocks like nanotube mentioned.  does that mean that a rock is now as valuable as a coconut.  no, but it may be perceived as such, therefore peoples perceptions of value can be manipulated and therein creating delusion
 447 2010-12-06 05:55:19 <nanotube> Joshoph4492: 'delusion' may be too harsh. expectations for the future, more like.
 448 2010-12-06 05:55:36 <Kiba> sometime the utility is deocractive
 449 2010-12-06 05:55:38 <nanotube> people trade coconut for seashells because they expect to be able to use the seashells to trade for other useful stuff, in the future.
 450 2010-12-06 05:55:41 <Kiba> seashells are deocractive
 451 2010-12-06 05:55:47 <Kiba> perhap rock symbolize something
 452 2010-12-06 05:56:03 <nanotube> irrelevant. it's all about expectations.
 453 2010-12-06 05:56:27 <Kiba> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjective_theory_of_value
 454 2010-12-06 05:57:08 <nanotube> when expectations are realized... everything is fine and dandy. when they are not, people start talking about delusions. but that's the thing about expectations about the future - it is a given that some will not be realized.
 455 2010-12-06 05:57:47 * Joshoph4492 agrees
 456 2010-12-06 06:01:52 <Kiba> delusion are nonsense; human subjectivism are what allow us to create an economy
 457 2010-12-06 06:03:07 <Joshoph4492> presuming your right, and bitcoins distributed model is "safe" (which i have seen no evidence to say otherwise) - if it were to gain enough popularity, what's to stop the same establishment that caused the fiat currency crisis from dedicating a few of the militaries super computers to owning the BTC economy as well?
 458 2010-12-06 06:03:29 <Joshoph4492> military's*
 459 2010-12-06 06:04:35 <redMBA> they don't even need super computers, they can just buy it all
 460 2010-12-06 06:04:37 <nanotube> Joshoph4492: well, you can see the ,,weaknesses wiki. it's possible, i suppose - but we can hope that by that time the network's cpu power will be high enough that one or two supercomputers won't be able to take over and doublespend
 461 2010-12-06 06:04:38 <gribble> Learn about bitcoin and anonymity here: http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=weaknesses
 462 2010-12-06 06:06:22 <nanotube> ;;whatis weaknesses
 463 2010-12-06 06:06:22 <gribble> Read about the potential weaknesses of bitcoin here: http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=weaknesses
 464 2010-12-06 06:06:25 <nanotube> that's better. :)
 465 2010-12-06 06:06:45 <Joshoph4492> i saw that a few months ago in the technical docs, this project has stellar docs
 466 2010-12-06 06:07:18 <nanotube> yep... thanks to some good effort from community members. :)
 467 2010-12-06 06:09:12 <Joshoph4492> the only problem i have with the gov't just buying bitcoins is that by the time they'd actually care about bitcoins, fiat currencies would probably already be totally crashed and worthless
 468 2010-12-06 06:10:48 * jgarzik raises his eyebrows at "stellar docs"... :)
 469 2010-12-06 06:10:48 * Joshoph4492 is not an economist
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 474 2010-12-06 06:12:14 genjix has joined
 475 2010-12-06 06:13:38 <nanotube> jgarzik: some parts are quite good. :) documentation on the actual protocol is lacking, but hey, we'll take what we can get. :)
 476 2010-12-06 06:15:19 <jgarzik> the real documentation is impenetrable C++ code, where code like "filein >> *this;" hides the entirety of reading and deserializing a bitcoin block
 477 2010-12-06 06:15:31 <genjix> anyone know where I can get a free vps just to run bitcoind?
 478 2010-12-06 06:15:49 * jgarzik wants a free VPS too
 479 2010-12-06 06:15:56 <[Noodles]> i take some
 480 2010-12-06 06:17:16 <genjix> does sourceforge provide one for free software projects?
 481 2010-12-06 06:17:36 <jrabbit> no
 482 2010-12-06 06:17:53 <jrabbit> genjix: you can get one on amazon
 483 2010-12-06 06:18:00 <genjix> for free?
 484 2010-12-06 06:18:10 <jrabbit> yeah
 485 2010-12-06 06:18:21 <genjix> cool thanks
 486 2010-12-06 06:18:30 <Joshoph4492> yes, join the cloud - assimilate, resistance is futile
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 488 2010-12-06 06:21:04 <genjix> thats just extremely cheap
 489 2010-12-06 06:21:41 <genjix> i dont have money in the bank nor have a visa card but im getting a vps in 2-3 weeks
 490 2010-12-06 06:22:15 <genjix> i just need something free temporary... its free software project so dont SF, gnu or github or anyone give free VPS's?
 491 2010-12-06 06:22:18 <jrabbit> genjix: they have a free aws level
 492 2010-12-06 06:22:28 <genjix> oh
 493 2010-12-06 06:22:30 <jrabbit> ...
 494 2010-12-06 06:23:36 <genjix> thanks, will check this out :)
 495 2010-12-06 06:30:05 <nanotube> genjix: sourceforge does give free hosting to foss projects
 496 2010-12-06 06:30:17 <nanotube> genjix: but you can't run long-running processes on the server (such as bitcoind)
 497 2010-12-06 06:30:19 <genjix> i know, but how about vps?
 498 2010-12-06 06:30:25 <genjix> ah ok
 499 2010-12-06 06:30:34 <genjix> i remember the ssh but wasnt sure about that
 500 2010-12-06 06:30:44 <nanotube> yea, shell lifetime is limited to 4 hours.
 501 2010-12-06 06:31:54 <nanotube> btw, new wiki page about ,,gribble. fyi.
 502 2010-12-06 06:31:54 <gribble> Here's a bitcoin wiki page about gribble: http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=gribble
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 504 2010-12-06 06:32:14 <genjix> nice
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 506 2010-12-06 06:32:56 <genjix> amazon AWS/EC2 is a free VPS. However it requires a credit card and I do not trust any company saying they're free but need my card
 507 2010-12-06 06:33:15 <genjix> i've been burned like that before from "trusted" companies
 508 2010-12-06 06:33:56 <genjix> and i don't have a visa anymore anyway :p
 509 2010-12-06 06:34:11 <Diablo-D3> genjix: its to stop scammers
 510 2010-12-06 06:34:13 <a_meteorite> Amazon dumped Wikileaks. Good enough reason to stay away there.
 511 2010-12-06 06:34:26 <Diablo-D3> genjix: also, ONLY the free version is free
 512 2010-12-06 06:34:28 <Diablo-D3> and thats only for a year
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 514 2010-12-06 06:35:00 <genjix> maybe. but im putting myself at risk then t another scammer (them)
 515 2010-12-06 06:35:32 <genjix> a_meteorite: right. but im writing a free project and need vps. who am i punishing by not having a vps?
 516 2010-12-06 06:35:47 <nanotube> genjix: what's your project?
 517 2010-12-06 06:35:49 <genjix> if i bought a vps, i would not select amazon.
 518 2010-12-06 06:36:00 <nanotube> (if it's not a secret?)
 519 2010-12-06 06:36:03 <a_meteorite> what do you need a VPS for? I'm sure lots of people here (myself included) could probably help with hosting
 520 2010-12-06 06:36:03 remmy_ has joined
 521 2010-12-06 06:36:07 <genjix> not a secret
 522 2010-12-06 06:36:30 <genjix> nanotube: https://github.com/genjix/kartludox
 523 2010-12-06 06:37:08 <genjix> screenshots: https://github.com/genjix/kartludox/wiki/screenshot_maximised.png
 524 2010-12-06 06:37:14 <genjix> https://github.com/genjix/kartludox/wiki/screenshot_minimal.png
 525 2010-12-06 06:37:22 <nanotube> ah, a bitcoin poker site... cool
 526 2010-12-06 06:37:41 <a_meteorite> heh
 527 2010-12-06 06:37:41 <genjix> yep but im releasing the code for free so anyone can setup a site
 528 2010-12-06 06:37:55 <a_meteorite> does the hoster make money? :)
 529 2010-12-06 06:38:00 <genjix> no
 530 2010-12-06 06:38:01 <Kiba> what' you're releasing?
 531 2010-12-06 06:38:06 <a_meteorite> darnit
 532 2010-12-06 06:38:28 <genjix> here's the reason why: http://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-forum/926209/The_Rake_:(.html
 533 2010-12-06 06:38:49 <a_meteorite> Well I'd be willing to host if non-intensive on our VPS except I'm unsure as to the legality
 534 2010-12-06 06:38:49 <genjix> rake is a huge turnoff/scam currently
 535 2010-12-06 06:39:23 <a_meteorite> gambling site on a server in the US...
 536 2010-12-06 06:39:25 <MT`AwAy> [15:32:23] <genjix> amazon AWS/EC2 is a free VPS. However it requires a credit card and I do not trust any company saying they're free but need my card <- it's free as long as you don't keep your vps too long
 537 2010-12-06 06:39:26 <genjix> a_meteorite: thanks :) i only want it for a couple of weeks to mess about with bitcoind and test a few things out.
 538 2010-12-06 06:39:41 <MT`AwAy> (and don't use it)
 539 2010-12-06 06:41:41 <nanotube> genjix: if you run linux yourself, why not just set something up on your local box?
 540 2010-12-06 06:42:26 <genjix> nanotube: actually that's not a bad idea... I just remembered that I have an old computer I can leave running.
 541 2010-12-06 06:42:29 <a_meteorite> new jersey has online gambling legislation which is where our VPS is physically located
 542 2010-12-06 06:42:33 <a_meteorite> so probably a no-go
 543 2010-12-06 06:42:42 <genjix> ok np a_meteorite
 544 2010-12-06 06:42:59 <genjix> a_meteorite: thats why i want to make a poker site for bitcoin... to fuck the law.
 545 2010-12-06 06:43:07 <a_meteorite> yeah
 546 2010-12-06 06:43:08 <genjix> a_meteorite: if i give away the server for free then its unstopabble
 547 2010-12-06 06:43:13 <a_meteorite> I'm not sure if the currency matters
 548 2010-12-06 06:43:17 <a_meteorite> hehe
 549 2010-12-06 06:43:18 <MT`AwAy> in most countries, online gambling is a no-go
 550 2010-12-06 06:43:19 <genjix> anyone can setup their own poker server easily
 551 2010-12-06 06:43:30 <genjix> = win
 552 2010-12-06 06:43:53 <a_meteorite> make a tor service
 553 2010-12-06 06:43:57 <a_meteorite> unstoppable
 554 2010-12-06 06:43:58 <genjix> its like a massive fuck you to government
 555 2010-12-06 06:44:09 <a_meteorite> and get hosted at prq.se
 556 2010-12-06 06:44:15 <a_meteorite> you can become RICH!
 557 2010-12-06 06:44:24 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: bitcoins are hard to trace to real life identities... so as long as people access through tor, e.g., they can't be traced.
 558 2010-12-06 06:44:26 <a_meteorite> ehe
 559 2010-12-06 06:45:22 <MT`AwAy> nanotube: yep, if the game client can include a tor client it'll be fine
 560 2010-12-06 06:46:02 <MT`AwAy> (I think it shouldn't be too hard btw)
 561 2010-12-06 06:46:57 <genjix> why does the game client need tor?
 562 2010-12-06 06:47:09 <genjix> you just deposit to the site
 563 2010-12-06 06:47:17 <genjix> play and then cash out :)
 564 2010-12-06 06:47:55 <MT`AwAy> genjix: to play, you need to connect to the game server, which would then need to be hosted in a country where online gambling is legal
 565 2010-12-06 06:48:12 <MT`AwAy> if instead the game client includes a tor client, the server can be hosted behind an onion address and be anywhere
 566 2010-12-06 06:48:53 <genjix> in countries where poker is illegal
 567 2010-12-06 06:49:02 <genjix> they dont go after the players
 568 2010-12-06 06:49:07 <genjix> they try to shutdown the sites
 569 2010-12-06 06:49:09 <MT`AwAy> genjix: online poker is illegal in most european countries, in US, in Japan, etc
 570 2010-12-06 06:49:19 <genjix> but if theres too many sites and anyone can make one
 571 2010-12-06 06:49:23 <MT`AwAy> genjix: isn't the fact you provide the server aimed at servers ?
 572 2010-12-06 06:49:29 <a_meteorite> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_poker#Legality
 573 2010-12-06 06:49:33 <genjix> it becomes impossible/unfeasible to shut them all down.
 574 2010-12-06 06:49:38 <MT`AwAy> just make a system where anyone can create a /tor/ server
 575 2010-12-06 06:49:53 <a_meteorite> yeah, tor ONLY
 576 2010-12-06 06:50:03 <a_meteorite> if you stick to a tor only address you're untraceable
 577 2010-12-06 06:50:07 <genjix> MT`AwAy: its a client where you can connect to any server (like IRC works)
 578 2010-12-06 06:50:09 <MT`AwAy> genjix: make it easy for users to connect through tor, and people will open servers anywhere without any worry
 579 2010-12-06 06:50:14 vfo has joined
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 581 2010-12-06 06:50:25 <genjix> and to setup a server is very easy
 582 2010-12-06 06:50:36 <MT`AwAy> genjix: make it easy to use tor, and automatic for clients
 583 2010-12-06 06:50:47 <MT`AwAy> clients will not setup tor themselves since they know they will not be targetted, server will be
 584 2010-12-06 06:51:06 <a_meteorite> being low bandwidth doesn't matter for tor
 585 2010-12-06 06:51:12 <a_meteorite> (just the 1 second latency, but meh)
 586 2010-12-06 06:51:21 <xelister> Diablo-D3: it's all fuitile
 587 2010-12-06 06:51:39 <MT`AwAy> genjix: anyway if you make a client that natively uses tor, people will be willing to host zillion of poker servers
 588 2010-12-06 06:51:48 <xelister> Diablo-D3: on real 10.10 driver, both sdk21 and 22, it allears to be a slow..
 589 2010-12-06 06:51:53 <a_meteorite> I love this idea
 590 2010-12-06 06:51:55 <genjix> are you not willing to host one now?
 591 2010-12-06 06:52:11 <genjix> i doubt the government will throw you in the slammer for hosting a poker site with 10 players
 592 2010-12-06 06:52:19 <MT`AwAy> genjix: I'm in Japan, and also have servers in US and Europe
 593 2010-12-06 06:52:23 <xelister> Diablo-D3: interesting thing thiough: -debug shows x100 times more Attempt at GPU#2, also much more block found are gpu#2
 594 2010-12-06 06:52:28 <Kiba> wee!
 595 2010-12-06 06:52:35 <Kiba> http://www.bitcoinservice.co.uk/files/21
 596 2010-12-06 06:52:37 <Kiba> we got preview
 597 2010-12-06 06:52:40 <genjix> worst is they get an order to take down your server which can take weeks
 598 2010-12-06 06:52:41 <a_meteorite> I wouldn't be surprised if they did... or at least shutdown and seize my server
 599 2010-12-06 06:52:49 <MT`AwAy> genjix: instead of having to bet if the gov. will be willing or not, it's even better to know it can't
 600 2010-12-06 06:52:53 <joe_1> anything that can be done on the internet is legal by the 1st amendment.
 601 2010-12-06 06:53:02 <a_meteorite> joe_1: lol
 602 2010-12-06 06:53:04 <MT`AwAy> [15:52:06] <genjix> worst is they get an order to take down your server which can take weeks <- took 12 hours last time
 603 2010-12-06 06:53:10 <MT`AwAy> (in France)
 604 2010-12-06 06:53:14 <a_meteorite> joe_1: so child porn is legal now?
 605 2010-12-06 06:53:23 <joe_1> it always has been. it's producing it that's illegal.
 606 2010-12-06 06:53:31 <a_meteorite> possession is too
 607 2010-12-06 06:53:32 <genjix> umm
 608 2010-12-06 06:53:44 <genjix> child porn sends you to prison
 609 2010-12-06 06:53:47 <xelister> Diablo-D3: you should get someone else with 5970 to compare on ubuntu... but the problems whre NOT fault of ubunut's 10.9 beta drivers
 610 2010-12-06 06:53:50 <a_meteorite> if you have a site that hosts child porn = prison
 611 2010-12-06 06:53:58 <a_meteorite> even if you never produced
 612 2010-12-06 06:54:01 <Diablo-D3> xelister: huh, gpu #2 is magic
 613 2010-12-06 06:54:09 <genjix> joe_1: also pgp is illegal to export in the usa :p
 614 2010-12-06 06:54:13 <a_meteorite> lots of things are illegal online... like fraud
 615 2010-12-06 06:54:14 <joe_1> yes- there's the distinction between what's legal and what is de-facto illegal.
 616 2010-12-06 06:54:16 <xelister> btw, interestingly, if you actually kill children (like, in iraq) you have much ligther sentence
 617 2010-12-06 06:54:23 <a_meteorite> do enough credit card scams and the feds will be knocking on your door
 618 2010-12-06 06:54:53 <a_meteorite> xelister: i'm not surprised
 619 2010-12-06 06:55:01 <genjix> < a_meteorite> if you have a site that hosts child porn = prison
 620 2010-12-06 06:55:04 <genjix> 4chan
 621 2010-12-06 06:55:07 <xelister> Diablo-D3: are you 100% positive (latest git, today) that you are correctly doing everything??
 622 2010-12-06 06:55:30 <MT`AwAy> genjix: it's not "if you have a site that hosts child porn" but "if you knowlignly put child porn on your site"
 623 2010-12-06 06:55:32 <andrew12> git pull woo
 624 2010-12-06 06:55:37 <a_meteorite> genjix: hosting is transient and completely user-provided. they also have moderators.
 625 2010-12-06 06:55:42 <joe_1> clearly there are many legal things that are treated as illegal because the courts have not ruled that the laws against them are unconstitutional.
 626 2010-12-06 06:55:45 <MT`AwAy> ie, it's not the site owner's fault, but the uploader's fault
 627 2010-12-06 06:56:04 <a_meteorite> I mean, what, threads on /b/ are gone in hours at the longest. CP is gone sooner. that's why they can stay up.
 628 2010-12-06 06:56:08 <andrew12> why are we talking about child porn?
 629 2010-12-06 06:56:17 <genjix> cos it's sexy
 630 2010-12-06 06:56:21 <MT`AwAy> (I'm selling web hosting and also got my share of child porn, as long as I take it down when notified by authorities I'm fine)
 631 2010-12-06 06:56:25 <a_meteorite> cuz joe_1 said anything online is protected by the 1st amendment
 632 2010-12-06 06:56:40 <a_meteorite> so child porn is the easiest way to counter that
 633 2010-12-06 06:56:42 <andrew12> which is?
 634 2010-12-06 06:56:48 <MT`AwAy> if you want child porn, go on wikipedia
 635 2010-12-06 06:56:52 <genjix> a_meteorite: i think joe_1 makes an interesting point though
 636 2010-12-06 06:56:56 <a_meteorite> Virgin Killer album, heh
 637 2010-12-06 06:56:59 <Diablo-D3> xelister: yes
 638 2010-12-06 06:57:01 <MT`AwAy> a_meteorite: for example
 639 2010-12-06 06:57:03 <Diablo-D3> xelister: I cannot reproduce it
 640 2010-12-06 06:57:09 <andrew12> remind me what the first amendment is
 641 2010-12-06 06:57:11 <xelister> you know where you find large amounts of child porn?
 642 2010-12-06 06:57:21 <xelister> 1) usa officialls - like TSA scanners
 643 2010-12-06 06:57:24 <MT`AwAy> xelister: on your HDD?
 644 2010-12-06 06:57:33 <MT`AwAy> :D
 645 2010-12-06 06:57:46 <genjix> because the USA declares encryption as a munition that is illegal to export, the founder of PGP challenged that:
 646 2010-12-06 06:57:52 <xelister> 2) catcholic chirches   a) on the wall paintings from middle ages  b) in the priest office thing
 647 2010-12-06 06:58:06 <a_meteorite> xelister: not surprised
 648 2010-12-06 06:58:09 <genjix> Zimmermann challenged these regulations in a curious way. He published the entire source code of PGP in a hardback book,[12] via MIT Press, which was distributed and sold widely. Anybody wishing to build their own copy of PGP could buy the $60 book, cut off the covers, separate the pages, and scan them using an OCR program, creating a set of source code text files. One could then build the application using the freely available GNU Compiler Collect
 649 2010-12-06 06:58:19 <xelister> just my 2 cents on usa heaving double moral standards as always
 650 2010-12-06 06:58:23 <MT`AwAy> genjix: anyway just make your poker thing use tor natively and easily for everyone and you'll have a LOT of users
 651 2010-12-06 06:58:45 <a_meteorite> if tor was completetely transparent everyone would do it
 652 2010-12-06 06:58:56 <genjix> MT`AwAy: i don't think it will have any affect on users and will make my life hell.
 653 2010-12-06 06:58:57 <a_meteorite> make users host the servers too
 654 2010-12-06 06:59:01 <xelister> a_meteorite: would do what? tor is transparent
 655 2010-12-06 06:59:08 <a_meteorite> if you can make sure the integrity of the game is intact
 656 2010-12-06 06:59:13 <xelister> tor is also far from being fully secure (btw)
 657 2010-12-06 06:59:22 <a_meteorite> I dunno how you'll do that, but if users automatically hosted servers... wow that'd be explosive
 658 2010-12-06 06:59:27 <andrew12> it's secure enough
 659 2010-12-06 06:59:31 <xelister> andrew12: no
 660 2010-12-06 06:59:45 <genjix> a_meteorite: p2p poker is another long term project in the works. but it's got several problems and is not as easy as you think.
 661 2010-12-06 06:59:45 <xelister> andrew12: MIT students cracked it for fun (exposed real ip of many tor users)
 662 2010-12-06 06:59:51 <a_meteorite> well if someone hosted enough tor relays they could compromise it
 663 2010-12-06 06:59:53 <MT`AwAy> genjix: if I receive and is able to confirm any of my customers is running a poker service, I'll have to shut it down, and it's the same for hosting companies in most countries.
 664 2010-12-06 06:59:58 <andrew12> heh
 665 2010-12-06 07:00:00 <genjix> for instance you need some form of semi-trusted escrows.
 666 2010-12-06 07:00:07 <andrew12> have them crack bitcoin :D
 667 2010-12-06 07:00:10 <MT`AwAy> a_meteorite: for online poker, I don't think anyone would bother that far
 668 2010-12-06 07:00:18 <a_meteorite> yeah
 669 2010-12-06 07:00:22 <xelister> what the fuck @ mtgox exchange rate
 670 2010-12-06 07:00:31 <a_meteorite> the network would only already be compromised because of all the illegal bits
 671 2010-12-06 07:00:35 <a_meteorite> not cuz of gambling
 672 2010-12-06 07:00:37 <genjix> MT`AwAy: buy a host then in another country... or use a home computer. :)
 673 2010-12-06 07:00:55 <MT`AwAy> genjix: home computer has the same problem (except you can claim you were hacked and became part of a botnet)
 674 2010-12-06 07:01:01 <genjix> a_meteorite: bots?
 675 2010-12-06 07:01:03 <Lysacor> yeah, mtgox is a bit bearish at the moment
 676 2010-12-06 07:01:10 <andrew12> they're cheap!?
 677 2010-12-06 07:01:14 <MT`AwAy> and buying a host in another country is still risky in most cases
 678 2010-12-06 07:02:06 chaord has joined
 679 2010-12-06 07:02:23 <Diablo-D3> xelister: so wtf is wrong with your system
 680 2010-12-06 07:02:34 <a_meteorite> genjix: bots?
 681 2010-12-06 07:02:40 <MT`AwAy> anyway
 682 2010-12-06 07:02:43 <MT`AwAy> something else I wonder
 683 2010-12-06 07:02:51 <genjix> a_meteorite: "because of all the illegal bits"
 684 2010-12-06 07:02:53 <chaord> I think i've brought this up before, but has anyone else noticed that the forum doesn't seem to send emails properly (i never get any emails when people reply to posts and such)
 685 2010-12-06 07:02:59 <a_meteorite> bits. not bots :)
 686 2010-12-06 07:03:03 <genjix> ok
 687 2010-12-06 07:03:12 <MT`AwAy> in most countries it is illegal to do gambling with "real money" while it's perfectly legal with "play money", what would then be the status of bitcoins? :D
 688 2010-12-06 07:03:15 <a_meteorite> lots of illegal stuff on some tor hidden services
 689 2010-12-06 07:03:29 <a_meteorite> MT`AwAy: well BTC can be exchanged?
 690 2010-12-06 07:03:36 <a_meteorite> can the same be said for that play money?
 691 2010-12-06 07:03:57 <MT`AwAy> a_meteorite: in Japan, when gambling you win prizes that you can then exchange for money, as long as the business doing the exchange is "unrelated" it's fine
 692 2010-12-06 07:04:04 <genjix> MT`AwAy: actually in the USA you can play on PokerStars (except in washington). However the banks aren't allowed to allow deposits. So it's very difficult to put money online.
 693 2010-12-06 07:04:11 <a_meteorite> hmmm
 694 2010-12-06 07:04:18 <genjix> oh yeah those ball things
 695 2010-12-06 07:04:22 <MT`AwAy> genjix: yup
 696 2010-12-06 07:04:25 <genjix> what are they called?
 697 2010-12-06 07:04:25 <MT`AwAy> and slots too
 698 2010-12-06 07:04:28 <MT`AwAy> genjix: pachinko
 699 2010-12-06 07:04:45 <genjix> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pachinko
 700 2010-12-06 07:04:48 <MT`AwAy> I play sometimes when I'm bored and got too much money :p
 701 2010-12-06 07:04:57 <MT`AwAy> (didn't happen much lately, I must admint)
 702 2010-12-06 07:04:58 <genjix> another example of the stupidity of ineffective laws
 703 2010-12-06 07:05:00 <MT`AwAy> admit*
 704 2010-12-06 07:05:40 <andrew12> Distraction! Put some bitcoins in the pick6! http://taabl.datlatec.com/
 705 2010-12-06 07:05:43 <andrew12> pl0x
 706 2010-12-06 07:05:53 <MT`AwAy> I'll have to ask a local lawyer to clarify on the status of bitcoins in Japan, if it works I know a few criminal organizations that would then suddently invest a lot to start online bitcoin gambling
 707 2010-12-06 07:06:10 <a_meteorite> lol
 708 2010-12-06 07:06:38 <andrew12> or send me 3 BTC so I can make it 500 exactly
 709 2010-12-06 07:06:52 <MT`AwAy> andrew12: addr?
 710 2010-12-06 07:07:08 <andrew12> 1CC8XaLz9AEGiVZ67Zri5JVcVe4EWZK3Ay
 711 2010-12-06 07:07:10 <andrew12> orly
 712 2010-12-06 07:07:12 <genjix> who cares if it's illegal/legal
 713 2010-12-06 07:07:20 <MT`AwAy> andrew12: 068866efe3e7f86d25af9537301fa0982b96f756cebcbd35d7c62f7e6e387337
 714 2010-12-06 07:07:24 <andrew12> zomg thanks
 715 2010-12-06 07:07:42 <andrew12> now to wait for confirmed
 716 2010-12-06 07:07:52 <MT`AwAy> genjix: I do, as a company/hosting provider/individual/etc
 717 2010-12-06 07:07:57 <genjix> wow 500 btc :p
 718 2010-12-06 07:08:04 <a_meteorite> I have 0 btc
 719 2010-12-06 07:08:11 <andrew12> I have 3 btc
 720 2010-12-06 07:08:13 <a_meteorite> mostly cuz I gave up on generating any
 721 2010-12-06 07:08:14 <MT`AwAy> a_meteorite: you could easily get 0.05 btc
 722 2010-12-06 07:08:27 <andrew12> well I have [3 btc]
 723 2010-12-06 07:08:34 <MT`AwAy> I gave up on generating btc too :D
 724 2010-12-06 07:08:37 <andrew12> since it's unconfirmed
 725 2010-12-06 07:08:38 <MT`AwAy> too much hassle
 726 2010-12-06 07:08:51 <MT`AwAy> andrew12: 3.00000000 BTC to be exact
 727 2010-12-06 07:09:00 <andrew12> yay significant figures
 728 2010-12-06 07:09:10 <genjix> how is 3.0000000 more exact than 3?
 729 2010-12-06 07:09:15 <genjix> :p they're the same
 730 2010-12-06 07:09:18 <andrew12> genjix: significant figures
 731 2010-12-06 07:09:38 <genjix> still the same number, no?
 732 2010-12-06 07:09:46 <andrew12> not exactly
 733 2010-12-06 07:09:51 <genjix> i.e 0.9837843 is more exact than 0.983
 734 2010-12-06 07:09:52 <MT`AwAy> genjix: in reality, bitcoin sends transaction as "300000000" on 64bit integer
 735 2010-12-06 07:10:13 <andrew12> huh
 736 2010-12-06 07:10:15 <genjix> ok but 3 btc is exact
 737 2010-12-06 07:10:19 <andrew12> interesting
 738 2010-12-06 07:10:23 <genjix> you cant get more accurate than that
 739 2010-12-06 07:10:23 <andrew12> genjix: yes. :p
 740 2010-12-06 07:10:28 <andrew12> genjix: you can
 741 2010-12-06 07:10:31 <andrew12> 3.00000000
 742 2010-12-06 07:10:32 <MT`AwAy> to avoid float rounding issues, bitcoin works only in integer
 743 2010-12-06 07:10:53 <MT`AwAy> genjix: 3 btc could be 3.00000001 btc, unless specified you don't know
 744 2010-12-06 07:10:57 <andrew12> bitcoin could use doubles
 745 2010-12-06 07:11:03 <MT`AwAy> andrew12: same issue
 746 2010-12-06 07:11:10 <andrew12> I don't understand
 747 2010-12-06 07:11:12 <genjix> well then 3 btc in that case isnt exact
 748 2010-12-06 07:11:28 <genjix> 3 or 3.00000 are jus representations of the same thing :)
 749 2010-12-06 07:11:42 <MT`AwAy> genjix: fuck it, I just wanted it to look cool, that's all (and you need to add exactly 0 zeroes)
 750 2010-12-06 07:11:43 <MT`AwAy> 8*
 751 2010-12-06 07:11:49 <genjix> if I wrote pi
 752 2010-12-06 07:11:50 <andrew12> lol
 753 2010-12-06 07:11:57 <MT`AwAy> andrew12: confirmed?
 754 2010-12-06 07:12:01 <andrew12> 3.14159265358979
 755 2010-12-06 07:12:03 <genjix> is that less acurate than the entire digits of pi forever?
 756 2010-12-06 07:12:03 <andrew12> finally
 757 2010-12-06 07:12:21 <andrew12> sentt to taabl
 758 2010-12-06 07:12:37 TheAncientGoat has joined
 759 2010-12-06 07:12:47 <MT`AwAy> andrew12: http://blockexplorer.com/tx/068866efe3e7f86d25af9537301fa0982b96f756cebcbd35d7c62f7e6e387337
 760 2010-12-06 07:12:54 <andrew12> now it'll add the next 3 automagically
 761 2010-12-06 07:13:12 <andrew12> lol
 762 2010-12-06 07:13:21 <MT`AwAy> andrew12: if you ever want to send 3 btc back, you can send to the "from address" listed in the transaction
 763 2010-12-06 07:13:52 <andrew12> yeah
 764 2010-12-06 07:14:36 <genjix> ;;totalbc
 765 2010-12-06 07:14:36 <gribble> Error: "totalbc" is not a valid command.
 766 2010-12-06 07:14:44 <genjix> bc,totalbc
 767 2010-12-06 07:14:48 <andrew12> ;;bc,total
 768 2010-12-06 07:14:49 <gribble> Error: "bc,total" is not a valid command.
 769 2010-12-06 07:14:54 <andrew12> ;;bc,totalbc
 770 2010-12-06 07:14:55 <gribble> 4795300.00000000
 771 2010-12-06 07:15:00 <genjix> thanks
 772 2010-12-06 07:15:01 <andrew12> ding ding ding ding ding
 773 2010-12-06 07:15:18 <genjix> ;;bc,mtgox
 774 2010-12-06 07:15:21 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.225,"low":0.185,"vol":5604,"buy":0.185,"sell":0.2249,"last":0.185}}
 775 2010-12-06 07:15:21 <jgarzik> We are now under US$1,000,000 economy again.
 776 2010-12-06 07:15:40 <jgarzik> http://www.bitcoinwatch.com/
 777 2010-12-06 07:15:41 <andrew12> good or bad?
 778 2010-12-06 07:15:48 <genjix> neither
 779 2010-12-06 07:15:56 <andrew12> lol
 780 2010-12-06 07:16:13 <Lysacor> Seems like a single transaction caused a bit of a drop, someone apparently wanted to unload their BTC for LRUSD
 781 2010-12-06 07:16:27 <Lysacor> didn't care if they took a loss, unless they had plenty of BTC to begin with
 782 2010-12-06 07:17:04 <genjix> satoshi
 783 2010-12-06 07:17:04 <Diablo-D3> man
 784 2010-12-06 07:17:06 <Diablo-D3> wheres brocktice
 785 2010-12-06 07:17:53 <joe_1> a selloff by satoshi is actually a good thing
 786 2010-12-06 07:18:01 <Lysacor> yep, puts more into the system
 787 2010-12-06 07:18:14 <joe_1> that, and it legitimizes the wealth base of bitcoin
 788 2010-12-06 07:18:16 <Lysacor> and actually makes an awesome time to buy BTC too
 789 2010-12-06 07:18:59 <genjix> erm but the price of bitcoins hasnt changed
 790 2010-12-06 07:19:05 <genjix> only the selling price
 791 2010-12-06 07:19:21 <genjix> which is annoying.
 792 2010-12-06 07:19:26 <Lysacor> lemme check out the market charts... bet the technical indicators will start swinging
 793 2010-12-06 07:19:27 <Lysacor> give it time
 794 2010-12-06 07:19:33 <a_meteorite> is there any OS X CUDA client?
 795 2010-12-06 07:20:04 <joe_1> well i was pointing out earlier that the velocity formula would have bitcoin at 0.028 per coin, so the current price means the market is predicting a 7 fold increase in the bitcoin economy
 796 2010-12-06 07:20:41 <genjix> joe_1: what is the velocity formula and how does it work?
 797 2010-12-06 07:20:48 <MT`AwAy> rm wallet.dat
 798 2010-12-06 07:20:52 <Lysacor> it'd be nice to see, early adopters would get a nice niche start
 799 2010-12-06 07:20:57 <genjix> naturally googling only gives physics questions
 800 2010-12-06 07:22:07 <joe_1> the velocity formula of money states that velocity is gdp / money supply
 801 2010-12-06 07:22:24 <andrew12> gobs and gobs of liquid gold
 802 2010-12-06 07:22:26 <genjix> cool
 803 2010-12-06 07:22:31 <genjix> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velocity_of_money
 804 2010-12-06 07:23:26 <MT`AwAy> gdp of who ? :D
 805 2010-12-06 07:23:45 <a_meteorite> is there any OS X CUDA client?
 806 2010-12-06 07:23:47 <Lysacor> man if I only had LRUSD available...
 807 2010-12-06 07:23:51 <joe_1> for us, it's the "Bitcoins sent last 24h" figure from bitcoinwatch.com, multiplied by 365
 808 2010-12-06 07:23:59 <andrew12> http://taabl.datlatec.com/details?pick=6.89426
 809 2010-12-06 07:24:07 <andrew12> the pot will be 500 in 6 block
 810 2010-12-06 07:24:09 <andrew12> the pot will be 500 in 6 blocks
 811 2010-12-06 07:24:20 <andrew12> goodnight
 812 2010-12-06 07:24:31 <genjix> joe_1: ok thats just bad math
 813 2010-12-06 07:24:49 <genjix> 1 day is a crappy sample size considering the deviation involved
 814 2010-12-06 07:25:20 <genjix> its completely unreliable
 815 2010-12-06 07:25:21 <genjix> http://www.evplusplus.com/poker_tools/variance_simulator/
 816 2010-12-06 07:25:23 <genjix> click submit
 817 2010-12-06 07:26:00 * jgarzik doubts satoshi would sell a huge block all at once, but who knows.  Putting bitcoin at risk by linking it to wikileaks could cause panic selling by just about anybody.
 818 2010-12-06 07:26:13 <joe_1> wikileaks takes bitcoins now?
 819 2010-12-06 07:26:17 <jgarzik> no
 820 2010-12-06 07:26:20 <jgarzik> thank goodness
 821 2010-12-06 07:26:26 <a_meteorite> who cares if its related to wikileaks...?
 822 2010-12-06 07:26:37 <genjix> check out the thread
 823 2010-12-06 07:26:43 <jrabbit> lol.
 824 2010-12-06 07:26:45 <joe_1> the Government will shut us down if they accept bitcoins
 825 2010-12-06 07:26:52 <jrabbit> joe_1: haha
 826 2010-12-06 07:26:52 <a_meteorite> lol
 827 2010-12-06 07:26:53 <genjix> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1735.0
 828 2010-12-06 07:26:53 <MT`AwAy> joe_1: how?
 829 2010-12-06 07:27:01 <a_meteorite> I'd like to see them try
 830 2010-12-06 07:27:04 <joe_1> they'll blow away the freenode channel,
 831 2010-12-06 07:27:08 <joe_1> they'll blow away bitcoin.org,
 832 2010-12-06 07:27:14 <jrabbit> a_meteorite: atm its centralzied on an irc server
 833 2010-12-06 07:27:17 <jrabbit> joe_1: uh
 834 2010-12-06 07:27:18 <a_meteorite> wikileaks.org is still around
 835 2010-12-06 07:27:29 <jrabbit> thats not how the us operates
 836 2010-12-06 07:28:41 <joe_1> i hope you're right
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 838 2010-12-06 07:29:58 <MT`AwAy> joe_1: more than anything, by attacking bitcoins they'll provide a bigger effect than /.
 839 2010-12-06 07:30:35 <OneFixt> they will most certainly destroy bitcoins
 840 2010-12-06 07:30:47 <OneFixt> we're not invincible, please don't get carried away
 841 2010-12-06 07:31:10 <OneFixt> all they have to do is say it's somehow against the law, and that will scare away new legitimate users
 842 2010-12-06 07:31:24 <OneFixt> leaving the network too weak to resist any organized attack
 843 2010-12-06 07:31:30 <genjix> It doesnt matter they claim its too slow to move big amounts of money and might use it when its more official and not just a test project.
 844 2010-12-06 07:31:34 <genjix> Sorry for trying to do something.
 845 2010-12-06 07:31:34 <genjix> ------
 846 2010-12-06 07:31:37 <genjix> I asked them when there was no public outcry yet. Then kiba and the rest posted how its a bad idea since then i have not talked to them. once i read satoshi's post, I checked irc and talked about the status of it being implemented and they claim its not good enought to actually profit them.
 847 2010-12-06 07:31:41 <jrabbit> paranoid
 848 2010-12-06 07:31:42 <jrabbit> lol
 849 2010-12-06 07:31:42 <genjix> it's a moot point anyway.
 850 2010-12-06 07:32:09 <genjix> wikileaks has said no about bitcoin.
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 852 2010-12-06 07:32:48 <OneFixt> ah, still, thank you for trying genjix
 853 2010-12-06 07:32:57 <OneFixt> it's gotten too hot lately, but otherwise it's a good idea
 854 2010-12-06 07:33:13 <OneFixt> and the publicity would have been really grat
 855 2010-12-06 07:33:14 <OneFixt> great*
 856 2010-12-06 07:33:27 <OneFixt> just tough timing, with it being the biggest target around nowadays
 857 2010-12-06 07:36:01 <joe_1> i wonder if wikileaks is going to continue after assange is executed
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 859 2010-12-06 07:37:04 <a_meteorite> if Assange is assassinated all hell will likely break loose
 860 2010-12-06 07:37:26 <MT`AwAy> most likely finally going to see the password of a 1.4GB file too
 861 2010-12-06 07:37:41 <a_meteorite> yup
 862 2010-12-06 07:37:45 <a_meteorite> untold secrets
 863 2010-12-06 07:37:49 <joe_1> well he brought it on himself by deciding to be a public figurehead for the site. the right way to run those types of sites is to create an anonymous pseudo-identity and never show your real face.
 864 2010-12-06 07:38:24 <a_meteorite> actually that's smart... if anything happens to him it will be seen as too coincidental
 865 2010-12-06 07:38:26 * OneFixt coughs *satoshi* coughs
 866 2010-12-06 07:38:56 <genjix> joe_1: actually that's false. he did do that
 867 2010-12-06 07:38:56 <MT`AwAy> a_meteorite: except if it involves unrelated charges such as ... rape?
 868 2010-12-06 07:39:11 <genjix> but US newspapers were writing made up bullshit about wikileaks founder
 869 2010-12-06 07:39:18 <genjix> so he had t come out
 870 2010-12-06 07:39:19 <a_meteorite> those already look pretty trumped up as it is... c'mon... Interpol doing a warrant?
 871 2010-12-06 07:39:37 <genjix> a_meteorite: actually it's not rape. he fucked a girl with a broken condom
 872 2010-12-06 07:39:46 <a_meteorite> *allegedly
 873 2010-12-06 07:39:53 <genjix> (it even says so on wikipedia)
 874 2010-12-06 07:39:58 <genjix> yep, its just bullshit
 875 2010-12-06 07:40:04 <genjix> slander.
 876 2010-12-06 07:40:10 <MT`AwAy> a_meteorite: anyway if he is stopped because of rape, any complaint from wikileaks will be easily shut off by governements
 877 2010-12-06 07:40:26 <a_meteorite> also since when does Interpol do international warrants for a single man? for rape? seriously? that's probably the lowest thing Interpol has cared about for a long time
 878 2010-12-06 07:40:28 <MT`AwAy> even if there was no rape
 879 2010-12-06 07:40:38 <a_meteorite> the day after they announce a new big release
 880 2010-12-06 07:40:42 <a_meteorite> it's a conspiracy
 881 2010-12-06 07:41:08 <a_meteorite> the government wants Assange's head on the spear of the media
 882 2010-12-06 07:41:33 <a_meteorite> governments of the world rather... not particularly any one... US at the forefront though
 883 2010-12-06 07:41:49 <MT`AwAy> for now I believe the US governement is pushing for Assange to be found guilty of something unrelated to make him "the bad guy"
 884 2010-12-06 07:43:03 <MT`AwAy> once he's "the bad guy" just send superman & batman to give him to the good guys at the CIA
 885 2010-12-06 07:44:31 <a_meteorite> it's easy to kill the messenger
 886 2010-12-06 07:44:50 <a_meteorite> the media lately has started to become less critical of WL though
 887 2010-12-06 07:45:04 <a_meteorite> slightly
 888 2010-12-06 07:45:21 <MT`AwAy> they want to kill him in a way that will not make him a martyr, if possible
 889 2010-12-06 07:45:28 <joe_1> exactly
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 891 2010-12-06 07:46:04 <a_meteorite> I think WL can continue to operate even without Assange though
 892 2010-12-06 07:46:33 <MT`AwAy> a_meteorite: and we may even see WL clones appear
 893 2010-12-06 07:46:39 <a_meteorite> I'm not an insider of any sort, but Assange doesn't do everything... he's the guy in front receiving all the shitstorm
 894 2010-12-06 07:47:38 <a_meteorite> as long as WL (or clones like you say) exist that can get the word out to the media and protect whistleblowers' privacy... there will always be a wikileaks
 895 2010-12-06 07:47:50 <a_meteorite> as long as there are dirty secrets
 896 2010-12-06 07:48:16 <MT`AwAy> well, as long as there are humans, there'll be dirty secrets
 897 2010-12-06 07:48:17 <a_meteorite> governments of the world are not ready for this. they never were. they're content with citizens being in the dark.
 898 2010-12-06 07:49:01 <a_meteorite> there will be a HUGE push for ways to pull the plug on these sites and to treat these groups as terrorists to allow for ways to secretly get them
 899 2010-12-06 07:49:26 <a_meteorite> the first cyber war anyone?
 900 2010-12-06 07:49:54 <ne0futur> will be many terrorists
 901 2010-12-06 07:50:01 <ne0futur> theres already more than 200 mirrors
 902 2010-12-06 07:50:08 <ne0futur> probably 2000 very soon
 903 2010-12-06 07:50:31 <a_meteorite> yup
 904 2010-12-06 07:50:45 <MT`AwAy> terrorists are called so until they establish their own governement, then they are called revolutionaries or something of the like
 905 2010-12-06 07:50:59 <ne0futur> or heroes
 906 2010-12-06 07:51:00 <a_meteorite> one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter
 907 2010-12-06 07:51:24 <MT`AwAy> just depends from which side you are looking
 908 2010-12-06 07:51:30 <joe_1> isn't the Farc a group in south america that the US calls a terrorist organization but it's really better than the established government?
 909 2010-12-06 07:51:33 <a_meteorite> yeah
 910 2010-12-06 07:52:07 <a_meteorite> wouldn't be surprised... CIA funded lots of dictatorships... groups we now call terrorists, etc...
 911 2010-12-06 07:52:42 <a_meteorite> all is fine and well if it supports our government's interests, fuck human rights and democracy, as long as our citizens don't know about it
 912 2010-12-06 07:53:09 <MT`AwAy> a_meteorite: even better if you can make them believe you are helping human rights and democracy
 913 2010-12-06 07:53:37 <a_meteorite> heh, yup
 914 2010-12-06 07:53:51 <a_meteorite> it's easy to lie about something that's happening half way across the world
 915 2010-12-06 07:53:55 <Diablo-D3> isnt it a website that iaggregates news?
 916 2010-12-06 07:53:57 <Diablo-D3> oh wait, thats fark
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 918 2010-12-06 08:03:55 <appamatto> Do you really think Satoshi is just a pseudonym?
 919 2010-12-06 08:04:10 <appamatto> or pseudo-identity?
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 921 2010-12-06 08:15:10 <Diablo-D3> dude
 922 2010-12-06 08:15:14 <Diablo-D3> I bet its really jullian
 923 2010-12-06 08:15:21 <Diablo-D3> I mean, jullian is a foss coder
 924 2010-12-06 08:15:25 <Diablo-D3> so satoshi could be jullian
 925 2010-12-06 08:17:31 <a_meteorite> figured I'd actually fire up bitcoin
 926 2010-12-06 08:17:46 <a_meteorite> how long does it take before I can actually start hashing? still receiving blocks >_<
 927 2010-12-06 08:18:03 <MT`AwAy> appamatto: it's obvious for me who live in Japan that Satoshi is not japanese at all, however I can't tell what he is
 928 2010-12-06 08:18:12 <MT`AwAy> a_meteorite: depend on your connection speed & other peer's speed
 929 2010-12-06 08:18:42 <a_meteorite> SetBestChain: new best=0000000087d1d2b44340  height=12496  work=53675025314001
 930 2010-12-06 08:18:52 <MT`AwAy> (btw anyone heared that "anonymous" is planning to attack amazon in response to their dropping of wikileaks?)
 931 2010-12-06 08:19:33 <a_meteorite> what's their latest site they've been using to plan from again?
 932 2010-12-06 08:19:42 <a_meteorite> they had one where they were announcing new targets daily
 933 2010-12-06 08:20:39 <a_meteorite> operation payback right?
 934 2010-12-06 08:22:44 <a_meteorite> hmmm nope their current target is IFPI
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 936 2010-12-06 08:25:44 <a_meteorite> I wouldn't be surprised if they turnn their sights to amazon, everydns, and paypal soon enough
 937 2010-12-06 08:26:15 <jgarzik> interesting... bitcoin implementation came before bitcoin paper
 938 2010-12-06 08:26:29 <MT`AwAy> a_meteorite: I don't think anyone needs to tell anonymous members what to do
 939 2010-12-06 08:26:40 <MT`AwAy> anyway, any attempt would result in a reply similar to "not your personal army"
 940 2010-12-06 08:26:55 <a_meteorite> MT`AwAy: http://anonops.net/anonops/Main_Page
 941 2010-12-06 08:27:11 <a_meteorite> I remember that site is being used for organizing attacks from anonymous...
 942 2010-12-06 08:27:29 <a_meteorite> they say who and when to attack and the sites go down. so, yes, there seems to be some organization.
 943 2010-12-06 08:27:54 <a_meteorite> from whom I have no idea, but anon is listening to these anons.
 944 2010-12-06 08:28:06 <genjix> gavinandresen: hey I'm using SVN. running .17 gives those error messages. but bitcoin functions otherwise.
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 946 2010-12-06 08:35:56 <genjix> someone's spamming the forums
 947 2010-12-06 08:38:14 <xelister> what the fuck @ mtgox exchange rate
 948 2010-12-06 08:44:29 <MT`AwAy> xelister: same as 1 hour ago
 949 2010-12-06 08:44:44 <MT`AwAy> well, not much different
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 958 2010-12-06 09:39:38 <genjix> gavinandresen: hey can I remove the api method list on the wiki page?
 959 2010-12-06 09:39:43 <genjix> it's very misleading
 960 2010-12-06 09:41:44 <MT`AwAy> genjix: why remove it?
 961 2010-12-06 09:41:57 <MT`AwAy> if it's misleading, improve it to make it non misleading
 962 2010-12-06 09:42:16 <genjix> me and Hogofwar yesterday spent an hour trying to make sense
 963 2010-12-06 09:42:28 <genjix> turned out theres an api mismatch between svn and release
 964 2010-12-06 09:42:33 <MT`AwAy> it helped me greatly when I wrote smsz.net
 965 2010-12-06 09:42:35 <genjix> better to just remove that part.
 966 2010-12-06 09:42:44 <genjix> ./bitcoind help
 967 2010-12-06 09:42:49 <genjix> that's up-to-date
 968 2010-12-06 09:43:08 <MT`AwAy> doesn't give much infos on results, especially when you touch bitcoin the first time and don't have any transactions yet to try
 969 2010-12-06 09:43:30 <genjix> ?
 970 2010-12-06 09:43:36 <genjix> http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=api
 971 2010-12-06 09:43:44 <genjix> i mean remove that section labelled 'Methods'
 972 2010-12-06 09:43:53 <genjix> it's redundant and causes confusion.
 973 2010-12-06 09:44:29 <genjix> btw, how can I check whether a bitcoind instance is running or not?
 974 2010-12-06 09:44:30 <MT`AwAy> the description also contains infos on the result value, which might be useful in some cases
 975 2010-12-06 09:44:40 <MT`AwAy> genjix: I guess if you can't connect to it, it's not running
 976 2010-12-06 09:44:50 <genjix> how do you check that?
 977 2010-12-06 09:44:58 <genjix>     $bitcoin = new jsonRPCClient('http://root:root@127.0.0.1:8332/');
 978 2010-12-06 09:45:08 <genjix> how can I check that was sucessful?
 979 2010-12-06 09:45:23 <MT`AwAy> this is not successful or not
 980 2010-12-06 09:45:28 <MT`AwAy> building the object does nothing in fact
 981 2010-12-06 09:45:38 <MT`AwAy> when you call a method, then, you'll know if it's running or not
 982 2010-12-06 09:45:43 <MT`AwAy> you may want to run getinfo, for example
 983 2010-12-06 09:46:09 <genjix> does php have exceptions?
 984 2010-12-06 09:46:15 <MT`AwAy> it does
 985 2010-12-06 09:46:17 <genjix> aha
 986 2010-12-06 09:46:28 <MT`AwAy> I don't know if your jsonRPCClient class will throw one
 987 2010-12-06 09:46:31 <genjix> thank you
 988 2010-12-06 09:46:37 <genjix> yep i guess it does, let me try
 989 2010-12-06 09:46:56 <MT`AwAy> try { $res = $bitcoin->getinfo(); } catch(Exception $e) { echo "argh"; }
 990 2010-12-06 09:47:59 <genjix> works. thanks MT`AwAy
 991 2010-12-06 09:48:10 <MT`AwAy> np
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 997 2010-12-06 11:13:55 <genjix> MT`AwAy: was it you asking for suggestions for a custom bitcoin client?
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1001 2010-12-06 11:24:33 <btcex> tcatm: hi! why btcexRUB is displayed with +% but arrow is to down?
1002 2010-12-06 11:24:42 <btcex> http://www.bitcoincharts.com/markets/
1003 2010-12-06 11:24:46 <btcex> it is ok?
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1008 2010-12-06 12:04:55 <MT`AwAy> [20:13:21] <genjix> MT`AwAy: was it you asking for suggestions for a custom bitcoin client? <- it's me
1009 2010-12-06 12:08:38 <genjix> MT`AwAy: how about for the list showing transactions, make the entries +ve green and -ev red
1010 2010-12-06 12:09:11 <MT`AwAy> mh, that's mostly cosmetic, I think it'll be part of the theme engine
1011 2010-12-06 12:09:20 <genjix> you using css?
1012 2010-12-06 12:09:23 <btcex> genjix: colorblind every hundredth man
1013 2010-12-06 12:09:28 <btcex> approximately
1014 2010-12-06 12:09:47 <MT`AwAy> genjix: yep, I'll be using Qt styling over css and giving the ability to customize it
1015 2010-12-06 12:09:55 <genjix> nice
1016 2010-12-06 12:10:08 <MT`AwAy> that's really easy to do
1017 2010-12-06 12:10:17 <genjix> yep
1018 2010-12-06 12:10:22 <MT`AwAy> I'll just have to give a different class to each line and it should do the trick
1019 2010-12-06 12:10:29 <MT`AwAy> and people will be able to share their css ;)
1020 2010-12-06 12:11:28 <genjix> is there a way to load css from files in qt? because I load it into an QString and pass it to setStyleSheet
1021 2010-12-06 12:11:44 <MT`AwAy> I think it's the only way
1022 2010-12-06 12:11:46 <genjix> but I'd prefer loadStylesheetFromFile but couldn't find it.
1023 2010-12-06 12:11:49 <genjix> ok
1024 2010-12-06 12:11:57 <MT`AwAy> personally I let people in other apps create ".theme" files where they can also put images
1025 2010-12-06 12:12:02 <MT`AwAy> then reference those with image://
1026 2010-12-06 12:12:07 <MT`AwAy> er
1027 2010-12-06 12:12:08 <MT`AwAy> with theme://
1028 2010-12-06 12:12:21 <MT`AwAy> if you want to load a theme directly, I think the only option is to use @import()
1029 2010-12-06 12:12:30 <MT`AwAy> I think Qt implements it
1030 2010-12-06 12:12:40 <genjix> is that cross platform?
1031 2010-12-06 12:12:45 <MT`AwAy> it is
1032 2010-12-06 12:14:23 <genjix> where can I find more info on that?
1033 2010-12-06 12:14:38 <genjix> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb773190(VS.85).aspx
1034 2010-12-06 12:14:41 <genjix> is it that?
1035 2010-12-06 12:14:51 <MT`AwAy> no
1036 2010-12-06 12:14:54 <MT`AwAy> it was home made
1037 2010-12-06 12:14:55 <MT`AwAy> :D
1038 2010-12-06 12:15:01 <genjix> ah ok :D
1039 2010-12-06 12:15:13 <MT`AwAy> (ab)using some Qt features
1040 2010-12-06 12:15:28 <genjix> ah i get it now. makes sense
1041 2010-12-06 12:15:45 <genjix> myspecialtheme://blaa/image.png
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1043 2010-12-06 12:17:02 <MT`AwAy> in fact the theme file (an archive of multiple files, gzipped) is loaded, and theme:// urls were handled internally and the files picked from the theme file
1044 2010-12-06 12:17:41 <genjix> they do the same in Crystal Space's Virtual File System
1045 2010-12-06 12:17:52 <genjix> there's a file called vfs.cfg
1046 2010-12-06 12:18:16 <genjix> you can define mountpoints which can point to zip files, directories, servers .etc
1047 2010-12-06 12:18:22 <MT`AwAy> :p
1048 2010-12-06 12:18:30 <MT`AwAy> except here the archive is in fact a qrc file
1049 2010-12-06 12:18:30 <genjix> then reference the file like a unix filesystem
1050 2010-12-06 12:19:14 <CIA-84> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * rb3394d2 / pom.xml : Fix typo in pom.xml - http://bit.ly/eC72y0
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1052 2010-12-06 12:23:58 <btcex> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=bitcoin
1053 2010-12-06 12:24:41 <MT`AwAy> wtf is that
1054 2010-12-06 12:25:42 <tcatm> btcex: fixed the arrow
1055 2010-12-06 12:25:43 <btcex> MT`AwAy: First AI in the world
1056 2010-12-06 12:25:50 <btcex> tcatm: ok
1057 2010-12-06 12:26:15 <MT`AwAy> btcex: I mean a "US bit", some kind of money?
1058 2010-12-06 12:26:18 <btcex> MT`AwAy: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=japan
1059 2010-12-06 12:26:45 <btcex> MT`AwAy: I don't know, probably wolframalpha don't understand me
1060 2010-12-06 12:27:04 <MT`AwAy> you bet, how come would it know about bitcoins
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1062 2010-12-06 12:34:32 <btcex> I am try to teach him
1063 2010-12-06 12:34:44 <MT`AwAy> you can ?
1064 2010-12-06 12:34:45 <MT`AwAy> xD
1065 2010-12-06 12:34:52 <MT`AwAy> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=now <- it's impressive, it uses my local timezone
1066 2010-12-06 12:37:53 <btcex> MT`AwAy: GeoIP + JavaScript
1067 2010-12-06 12:38:02 <MT`AwAy> btcex: yep, still nice
1068 2010-12-06 12:38:21 <MT`AwAy> (well, I do almost the same, except my database is far from complete)
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1070 2010-12-06 12:39:16 <btcex> Can I upload my own data to Wolfram|Alpha?
1071 2010-12-06 12:39:16 <btcex> You can analyze small amounts of data by submitting it in the input field. The future Professional version will allow larger-scale uploading. You can also submit data to be considered for inclusion in the main Wolfram|Alpha system.
1072 2010-12-06 12:39:54 <MT`AwAy> or you can use your local version of mathematica, and analyze data directly
1073 2010-12-06 12:40:54 <genjix> http://92.7.201.223/
1074 2010-12-06 12:40:58 <genjix> can anyone see that?
1075 2010-12-06 12:41:13 <MT`AwAy> "this github pages thing is awesome."
1076 2010-12-06 12:41:14 <MT`AwAy> mh?
1077 2010-12-06 12:41:31 <MT`AwAy> "WOW. THIS GITHUB PAGES THING IS AWESOME. IT'S LIKE, THE FUCKING......THE FUTURE, OR SOME SHIT. WOW."
1078 2010-12-06 12:41:32 <genjix> thanks
1079 2010-12-06 12:41:37 <MT`AwAy> I don't know what you smoked
1080 2010-12-06 12:42:00 <genjix> damn im not a networking guy but for some reason both my computers have the same external ip
1081 2010-12-06 12:42:15 <MT`AwAy> genjix: isn't that called a NAT ?
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1083 2010-12-06 12:42:40 <genjix> how do i fix it then?
1084 2010-12-06 12:43:28 <MT`AwAy> ask more external ips to your ISP ?
1085 2010-12-06 12:43:54 <btcex> or move to IPv6 :)
1086 2010-12-06 12:44:12 <redMBA> or tunnel to a second IP
1087 2010-12-06 12:44:20 <genjix> :o
1088 2010-12-06 12:44:49 <genjix> im just going to change the default 'nat'
1089 2010-12-06 12:45:21 <MT`AwAy> "nat" is great because there's not many ipv4 remaining, so multiple computers can share the same ip
1090 2010-12-06 12:46:31 <Diablo-D3> [07:40:55] <MT`AwAy> "WOW. THIS GITHUB PAGES THING IS AWESOME. IT'S LIKE, THE FUCKING......THE FUTURE, OR SOME SHIT. WOW."
1091 2010-12-06 12:46:35 <Diablo-D3> my brain hurts.
1092 2010-12-06 12:46:48 <MT`AwAy> Diablo-D3: I was just quoting genjix's url's content
1093 2010-12-06 12:48:13 <btcex> MT`AwAy: You have IPv6 address?
1094 2010-12-06 12:48:28 <Diablo-D3> btw
1095 2010-12-06 12:48:30 <Diablo-D3> technically
1096 2010-12-06 12:48:33 <Diablo-D3> we live in the future
1097 2010-12-06 12:48:35 <Diablo-D3> already
1098 2010-12-06 12:48:38 <genjix> http://92.7.201.223/
1099 2010-12-06 12:48:47 <genjix> should say "hello bitcoiners" now
1100 2010-12-06 12:48:50 <Diablo-D3> the future either started in 2001 or in 2010
1101 2010-12-06 12:49:00 <tcatm> genjix: it does :)
1102 2010-12-06 12:49:03 <Diablo-D3> POSSIBLY 2015, but I think thats too late
1103 2010-12-06 12:49:06 <genjix> i feel like that all the time :)
1104 2010-12-06 12:49:08 <genjix> thanks tcatm
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1106 2010-12-06 12:50:15 <MT`AwAy> genjix: I do
1107 2010-12-06 12:50:39 <genjix> cool
1108 2010-12-06 12:50:40 <MT`AwAy> er
1109 2010-12-06 12:50:41 <MT`AwAy> btcex: I do
1110 2010-12-06 12:52:12 <btcex> MT`AwAy: ping6 btcex.com
1111 2010-12-06 12:52:14 <btcex> ?
1112 2010-12-06 12:52:21 <btcex> or traceroute6
1113 2010-12-06 12:54:16 <MT`AwAy>  # ping6 btcex.com
1114 2010-12-06 12:54:16 <MT`AwAy> PING btcex.com(btcex.com) 56 data bytes
1115 2010-12-06 12:54:16 <MT`AwAy> 64 bytes from btcex.com: icmp_seq=1 ttl=60 time=2.63 ms
1116 2010-12-06 12:54:16 <MT`AwAy> 64 bytes from btcex.com: icmp_seq=2 ttl=60 time=2.62 ms
1117 2010-12-06 12:54:16 <MT`AwAy> 64 bytes from btcex.com: icmp_seq=3 ttl=60 time=2.65 ms
1118 2010-12-06 12:54:16 <MT`AwAy> 64 bytes from btcex.com: icmp_seq=4 ttl=60 time=2.62 ms
1119 2010-12-06 12:54:33 <MT`AwAy> (pinging from the exact same server provider where btcex.com is)
1120 2010-12-06 12:55:09 <btcex> ok, cool :)
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1127 2010-12-06 13:19:12 <xelister> huhm.
1128 2010-12-06 13:19:24 <xelister> Diablo-D3: I run once more your miner, and now it doesnt seem to print the warnings
1129 2010-12-06 13:19:30 <xelister> or is it just because I skipped -d flag
1130 2010-12-06 13:19:40 <Diablo-D3> what warnings?
1131 2010-12-06 13:19:43 <xelister> $ bash DiabloMiner-Linux.sh -f 120 -u bc -p x -w 128  -a
1132 2010-12-06 13:19:45 <xelister> /usr/ati-stream-sdk-v2.1-lnx64/
1133 2010-12-06 13:19:46 <xelister> Added Cypress (#1) (20 CU, 1x vector, local work size of 128)
1134 2010-12-06 13:19:48 <xelister> Added Cypress (#2) (20 CU, 1x vector, local work size of 128)
1135 2010-12-06 13:19:49 <xelister> Started at Dec 6, 2010 1:17:02 PM
1136 2010-12-06 13:19:51 <xelister> 531655 khash/sec
1137 2010-12-06 13:19:53 <xelister> previously it was spamming with invalid block
1138 2010-12-06 13:20:52 <xelister> hey whaddayou know, it stoped showing errors on #gpu !
1139 2010-12-06 13:21:03 <xelister> wtf.. I didnt raelly changed anything, just restarted all milionth time
1140 2010-12-06 13:21:12 * xelister scratches head
1141 2010-12-06 13:21:48 <xelister> yes, xfire was disabled since forever
1142 2010-12-06 13:22:23 <xelister> ok but we have other problem: Diablo-D3 - you only find attempt on gpu#2, and gpu#1 shows attempt found around x100 times less - is that normal? example 500 attempts on gpu#2, of them 5 are on gpu#1
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1144 2010-12-06 13:26:25 <xelister> Attempts on GPU...
1145 2010-12-06 13:26:26 <xelister> gpu#1: 11
1146 2010-12-06 13:26:28 <xelister> gpu#2: 989
1147 2010-12-06 13:26:47 <xelister> ^-- Diablo-D3 is that normal that gpu#1 has x10 less attempts found, wtf
1148 2010-12-06 13:26:57 * xelister echo "Attempts on GPU... "; echo -n "gpu#1: " ;grep "#1" list.txt | wc -l ;  echo -n "gpu#2: "; grep "#2" list.txt | wc -l ;
1149 2010-12-06 13:28:36 <xelister> atitool shows both GPUs as loaded 90-99%
1150 2010-12-06 13:28:52 <xelister> * aticonfig --odgc --odgt --adapter=all
1151 2010-12-06 13:40:04 <Diablo-D3> xelister: dunno
1152 2010-12-06 13:43:24 <xelister> Diablo-D3: Im fucking with this thing for like a week
1153 2010-12-06 13:44:07 <xelister> such low number of attempts means that in fact gpu#1 produces x100 less hashes? or that 99% hashes are completly fucked up and dont even register as attempts (not to mention invalid blocks)?
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1157 2010-12-06 13:58:22 <Diablo-D3> xelister: possible
1158 2010-12-06 14:00:15 <xelister> Diablo-D3: well... can we debug/fix it
1159 2010-12-06 14:00:33 <xelister> Diablo-D3: if you would implement -D   device option, I could see if running separate process helps. or what if only gpu#1 is used
1160 2010-12-06 14:02:17 <genjix> Kiba: http://92.7.201.223/ ... Also you can use http://pastecoin.cz.cc once it's gone through (should take a few hours)
1161 2010-12-06 14:02:58 <genjix> http://92.7.201.223/ <- does this work for anyone else? it should be a black website for bitcoins.
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1163 2010-12-06 14:04:26 <Kiba> genjix: does it have a preview option?
1164 2010-12-06 14:04:49 <genjix> it has direct download if that's what you mean
1165 2010-12-06 14:05:02 <genjix> you get given 2 links
1166 2010-12-06 14:05:18 <genjix> one for direct downloading (keep secret) or one for selling your work.
1167 2010-12-06 14:05:54 <Kiba> interesting!
1168 2010-12-06 14:06:15 <Kiba> my customers demand preview, although nobody download the newest edition yet
1169 2010-12-06 14:07:08 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: now that we have a preview we know we are not interested
1170 2010-12-06 14:07:17 <MT`AwAy> if we want to see this kind of images for free we can go on deviantart :p
1171 2010-12-06 14:07:55 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: althrough, I may make a donation to encourage you to continue improving bitcoin-based services if you give me a bitcoin address
1172 2010-12-06 14:09:44 <edcba> genjix: how much are we paid ?
1173 2010-12-06 14:09:50 <Kiba> bencoder improved his service
1174 2010-12-06 14:10:05 <genjix> edcba: whatever you put in
1175 2010-12-06 14:10:19 <Kiba> genjix get 2% compared to bencoder 10%
1176 2010-12-06 14:10:22 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: you helped for that
1177 2010-12-06 14:10:34 <edcba> oh i thought it was some other scheme
1178 2010-12-06 14:10:54 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: yes, I am a whiner
1179 2010-12-06 14:10:55 <edcba> ie i put some data and you pay me for other to view it
1180 2010-12-06 14:11:03 <genjix> kiba, unlike bencoder, I don't require an account :p
1181 2010-12-06 14:11:04 <edcba> with some ads or whatever
1182 2010-12-06 14:11:12 <genjix> so they're more likely to pay up
1183 2010-12-06 14:11:19 <genjix> rather than jump through hoops
1184 2010-12-06 14:11:28 <bencoder> you don't need account to download
1185 2010-12-06 14:11:30 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: anyway just spit out a bitcoin addr :p
1186 2010-12-06 14:11:50 <genjix> bencoder: i undercut you :D
1187 2010-12-06 14:11:54 <genjix> http://92.7.201.223/
1188 2010-12-06 14:11:55 <bencoder> :)
1189 2010-12-06 14:12:26 <bencoder> does it work on ip address?
1190 2010-12-06 14:12:27 <edcba> genjix: maybe put some http link for you to download instead of http upload
1191 2010-12-06 14:12:37 <edcba> or ftp
1192 2010-12-06 14:12:43 <genjix> like recent uploads?
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1194 2010-12-06 14:12:48 <edcba> megabitcoinupload :)
1195 2010-12-06 14:13:07 <Kiba> 1GwNTWe8osyfQZujKDDrbVx3MpqhdZeQ2y
1196 2010-12-06 14:13:13 <edcba> no i was thinking if i want to upload a 650M vid
1197 2010-12-06 14:13:14 <Kiba> nobody use captcha
1198 2010-12-06 14:13:16 <Kiba> which is good.
1199 2010-12-06 14:13:18 <edcba> i guess it won't work well
1200 2010-12-06 14:13:23 <bencoder> site looks nice genjix :)
1201 2010-12-06 14:13:35 <genjix> bencoder: i'll sell it you if you want
1202 2010-12-06 14:13:40 <bencoder> na i'm good
1203 2010-12-06 14:13:43 <genjix> k
1204 2010-12-06 14:14:01 <genjix> thanks
1205 2010-12-06 14:14:02 <bencoder> how do you do the 2%. do you store up payments until 2% == 0.01?
1206 2010-12-06 14:14:18 <edcba> site is nice but slow
1207 2010-12-06 14:14:20 <genjix> no, just multiply by 0.02
1208 2010-12-06 14:14:35 <bencoder> but minimum send is 0.01 no?
1209 2010-12-06 14:14:51 <genjix> yep
1210 2010-12-06 14:14:58 <bencoder> so if 2% is less than 0.01 you get nothing?
1211 2010-12-06 14:15:00 <genjix> but im not sending 0.01
1212 2010-12-06 14:15:02 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: 930ef8d6a06075f5581e641cd7ca2d42dcdc7dcc1998076184cebc81357e076c
1213 2010-12-06 14:15:21 <genjix> if you want to download a file
1214 2010-12-06 14:15:32 <genjix> you click, it says please deposit X to this address
1215 2010-12-06 14:15:35 <bencoder> I know, but will it send amounts with a granularity of better than 0.01?
1216 2010-12-06 14:15:41 <Kiba> wee!
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1218 2010-12-06 14:16:00 <Kiba> I made 10 BTC within a week!
1219 2010-12-06 14:16:09 <MT`AwAy> :D
1220 2010-12-06 14:16:13 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: means 0 sales?
1221 2010-12-06 14:16:15 <genjix> bencoder: (ok the code is really really hack jobish, but i wanted it up asap just to see how bitcoin works) https://github.com/genjix/pastecoin
1222 2010-12-06 14:16:19 <bencoder> say i price something at 0.02 bitcoins... how much will i get if someone downloads?
1223 2010-12-06 14:16:25 <genjix> 0.02
1224 2010-12-06 14:16:27 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: I have some sale yesterday
1225 2010-12-06 14:16:28 <genjix> ill get 0
1226 2010-12-06 14:16:33 <bencoder> ok so you get nothing, ok, that's what i was wondering
1227 2010-12-06 14:16:33 <Kiba> but I don't know
1228 2010-12-06 14:16:43 <Kiba> because bencoder doesn't provide a timestamp for all the transaction
1229 2010-12-06 14:16:44 <genjix> you can price things at 0 too
1230 2010-12-06 14:17:01 <genjix> Kiba: it should show on your client
1231 2010-12-06 14:17:07 <Kiba> can't wait until somebody abuse genjix's server!
1232 2010-12-06 14:17:11 <bencoder> hehe
1233 2010-12-06 14:17:33 <genjix> let them rape it.
1234 2010-12-06 14:17:41 * Kiba seem to have reflex of anaylzing incentive to pervase conclusion
1235 2010-12-06 14:17:53 <bencoder> anyway, should be working :) good luck genjix
1236 2010-12-06 14:18:16 <genjix> thanks
1237 2010-12-06 14:19:04 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: http://blockexplorer.com/tx/930ef8d6a06075f5581e641cd7ca2d42dcdc7dcc1998076184cebc81357e076c
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1239 2010-12-06 14:20:00 <genjix> ;;bc,bctotal
1240 2010-12-06 14:20:00 <gribble> Error: "bc,bctotal" is not a valid command.
1241 2010-12-06 14:20:03 <xelister> Diablo-D3: are you implementing -D perhaps?
1242 2010-12-06 14:20:04 <genjix> ;bc,bctotal
1243 2010-12-06 14:20:07 <xelister> if not then I should
1244 2010-12-06 14:20:28 <MT`AwAy> ;;bc,totalbc
1245 2010-12-06 14:20:30 <gribble> 4799000.00000000
1246 2010-12-06 14:20:37 <genjix> :)
1247 2010-12-06 14:20:37 <MT`AwAy> genjix: it's in this order
1248 2010-12-06 14:20:43 <genjix> ;bc,mtgox
1249 2010-12-06 14:20:49 <genjix> oops
1250 2010-12-06 14:20:52 <MT`AwAy> :p
1251 2010-12-06 14:20:52 <MT`AwAy> two ;
1252 2010-12-06 14:20:53 <genjix> ;;bc,mtgox
1253 2010-12-06 14:20:53 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.225,"low":0.185,"vol":4359,"buy":0.185,"sell":0.224,"last":0.195}}
1254 2010-12-06 14:21:06 <Diablo-D3> xelister: -D?
1255 2010-12-06 14:21:14 <genjix> sell is still high compared to buy
1256 2010-12-06 14:21:16 <MT`AwAy> I think the bot could interpret the json and provide better display
1257 2010-12-06 14:21:35 <genjix> why
1258 2010-12-06 14:21:52 <genjix> i mean it still would be multi-line
1259 2010-12-06 14:22:02 <genjix> *single
1260 2010-12-06 14:22:13 <MT`AwAy> yes, but it'll look better
1261 2010-12-06 14:22:28 <MT`AwAy> I mean, we are not talking json here, so why would only gribble talk json?
1262 2010-12-06 14:22:32 <MT`AwAy> :D
1263 2010-12-06 14:22:42 <edcba> genjix: where does it ask you to pay ??
1264 2010-12-06 14:22:45 <genjix> maybe. i think the author just does print(query) for simplicity sake
1265 2010-12-06 14:22:56 <genjix> edcba: when you try to download the file
1266 2010-12-06 14:22:56 <Diablo-D3> xelister: I dont have a -D
1267 2010-12-06 14:23:11 <edcba> i did download the file without paying
1268 2010-12-06 14:23:26 <genjix> which file?
1269 2010-12-06 14:23:29 <genjix> link me.
1270 2010-12-06 14:23:42 <genjix> you get given 2 links. one is direct download. the other is paid download.
1271 2010-12-06 14:24:00 <edcba> http://92.7.201.223/download.php?file=2
1272 2010-12-06 14:24:07 <edcba> this one ?
1273 2010-12-06 14:24:30 <genjix> lol you put in a price of -1.02
1274 2010-12-06 14:24:32 <genjix> why
1275 2010-12-06 14:24:44 <edcba> because i want to be paid to get it :)
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1277 2010-12-06 14:25:03 <genjix> wont work
1278 2010-12-06 14:25:11 <edcba> i saw that :)
1279 2010-12-06 14:25:34 <xelister> Diablo-D3: <xelister> Diablo-D3: if you would implement -D   device option, I could see if running separate process helps. or what if only gpu#1 is used
1280 2010-12-06 14:25:41 <edcba> you can put it back at 1 ;)
1281 2010-12-06 14:25:47 <Diablo-D3> xelister: that wont help
1282 2010-12-06 14:25:55 <genjix> nah, not bothered.
1283 2010-12-06 14:26:08 <xelister> well waht will happend with -D
1284 2010-12-06 14:26:14 <MT`AwAy> mh
1285 2010-12-06 14:26:18 <MT`AwAy> edcba: you're french? xD
1286 2010-12-06 14:26:26 <xelister> will gpu#1 reall generate x100 slower and will show like 5 M  or wwhat
1287 2010-12-06 14:26:30 <edcba> yes
1288 2010-12-06 14:26:35 <xelister> imho it is interesting to see ;)
1289 2010-12-06 14:26:35 <MT`AwAy> and from the ch'nord, according to ip
1290 2010-12-06 14:27:56 <Diablo-D3> xelister: there is no difference between the queues being in different threads than in different processes
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1293 2010-12-06 14:38:28 <ArtForz> "there should not be" != "there is"
1294 2010-12-06 14:41:09 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: it would break basically every opencl app
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1299 2010-12-06 14:41:43 <ArtForz> every opencl app that uses multiple GPUs in a single context
1300 2010-12-06 14:41:44 <Teppy> Does anyone know which site mizerydearia runs?
1301 2010-12-06 14:41:52 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: not a single context
1302 2010-12-06 14:42:17 <ArtForz> so you use 1 ctx/GPU ?
1303 2010-12-06 14:42:46 <Diablo-D3> yes
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1305 2010-12-06 14:42:55 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: one per CLDevice
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1307 2010-12-06 14:43:08 <ArtForz> hmmm... do you create the contexts in the work threads?
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1309 2010-12-06 14:43:24 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: no, but I create the queues in the work threads
1310 2010-12-06 14:43:40 <Diablo-D3> opencl spec says this is acceptable behavior
1311 2010-12-06 14:43:47 <albatross> ;;bc,stats
1312 2010-12-06 14:43:49 <gribble> Current Blocks: 95983 | Current Difficulty: 8078.19525793 | Next Difficulty At Block: 96767 | Next Difficulty In: 784 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 18 hours, 20 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11684.89977146
1313 2010-12-06 14:43:52 <ArtForz> so you basically have 1 ctx/GPU created in main thread, 1 queue/ctx created in work thread
1314 2010-12-06 14:44:06 <Diablo-D3> yes.
1315 2010-12-06 14:44:07 <ArtForz> that should be fine according to spec
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1317 2010-12-06 14:44:57 <xelister> Diablo-D3 well I seen a discussion on some amd forum
1318 2010-12-06 14:45:00 <xelister> number of queues
1319 2010-12-06 14:45:03 <xelister> number of contexts
1320 2010-12-06 14:45:06 <ArtForz> I *think* theres some problems if you create a queue in one thread and access it from another thread
1321 2010-12-06 14:45:06 <xelister> number of threads and processes
1322 2010-12-06 14:45:12 <xelister> there are many ways to fuck up ;)
1323 2010-12-06 14:45:16 <xelister> yes
1324 2010-12-06 14:45:24 <xelister> Diablo-D3: you use 1 or 2 queues for 5970
1325 2010-12-06 14:45:57 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: 1.1 says there should be zero problems if you do that, 1.0 says queues should just not be accessed by multiple threads concurrently, but different ones are still fine
1326 2010-12-06 14:46:10 <Diablo-D3> xelister: 6
1327 2010-12-06 14:46:12 <xelister> also, it is QUITE likelly, some things are NOT as in specs, so we should just test more. Or you have other solution?
1328 2010-12-06 14:46:24 <ArtForz> well, I think I remeber reading a bug report about it on amd forums, sdk 2.1
1329 2010-12-06 14:46:40 <xelister> yeah and XHTML specs says one things, and IE and all other browsers do other things...
1330 2010-12-06 14:46:50 <Diablo-D3> xelister: nope, only IE gets this wrong
1331 2010-12-06 14:47:15 <Diablo-D3> xelister: and the difference here is, html coverage testing suites exist
1332 2010-12-06 14:47:18 <xelister> Diablo-D3: stable firefox does not pass existing xhtml compatibility tests perfectly
1333 2010-12-06 14:47:26 <ArtForz> so the question is whats causing these problems
1334 2010-12-06 14:47:34 <xelister> should we explain this simple truth about software development to you Diablo-D3
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1336 2010-12-06 14:47:56 <Diablo-D3> xelister: the simple truth is: if I cant replicate the bug, it doesnt exist
1337 2010-12-06 14:48:02 <xelister> it is naive to assume any software is 100% bug-free under all possible conditions. So in case of problems you should test more
1338 2010-12-06 14:48:13 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: if the bug happened the way you think it does, it'd effect everything
1339 2010-12-06 14:48:24 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: my single gpu would be effected
1340 2010-12-06 14:48:40 <ArtForz> why would it?
1341 2010-12-06 14:48:40 <xelister> Diablo-D3: so if they couldnt replicate the bug that crashed the Apollo mission, then it didn't happened and noone died?
1342 2010-12-06 14:48:58 <Diablo-D3> xelister: ahh, but that there in, it IS replicated.
1343 2010-12-06 14:49:05 <Diablo-D3> it happened on apollo hardware
1344 2010-12-06 14:49:11 <ArtForz> the problem is simply, debugging stuff like that without acvcess to a system that exhibits the bug is damn hard
1345 2010-12-06 14:49:23 <Diablo-D3> now, if russia bought apollo hardware, and it happened to russia and not us, then the bug may not exist
1346 2010-12-06 14:49:46 <ArtForz> the error return codes from sdk 2.2 are also mysterious
1347 2010-12-06 14:50:02 <Diablo-D3> the periodic -52s?
1348 2010-12-06 14:50:05 <ArtForz> yep
1349 2010-12-06 14:50:12 <Diablo-D3> I suspect its choking on the buffer
1350 2010-12-06 14:50:14 <xelister> Diablo-D3: so anyone yet tested your miner on 5970 and got perfect speed and no strange behaviour?
1351 2010-12-06 14:50:27 <ArtForz> is that on ndenqueuekernel?
1352 2010-12-06 14:50:27 <Diablo-D3> but lwjgl doesnt expose a compatible clSetKernelArg that takes a CLMem
1353 2010-12-06 14:50:37 <Diablo-D3> so I cant check which ones doing it
1354 2010-12-06 14:50:46 <Diablo-D3> I suspect its the CLMem one at the end
1355 2010-12-06 14:50:49 <xelister> oh fork it
1356 2010-12-06 14:50:49 <Diablo-D3> the rest are numbers
1357 2010-12-06 14:50:52 * xelister rageforks Diablo-D3's miner
1358 2010-12-06 14:50:54 <ArtForz> = I *never* had a kernel fail to queue inconsistently
1359 2010-12-06 14:51:11 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: it has to be sdk 2.2 doing stuff wrong
1360 2010-12-06 14:51:14 <Diablo-D3> like
1361 2010-12-06 14:51:27 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt atomically let the CLMem go
1362 2010-12-06 14:51:33 <Diablo-D3> from whatever internal state
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1364 2010-12-06 14:52:09 <ArtForz> well, I tested my miner with sdk 2.2 quite a bit, it "works" besides nonexistent multiGPU speedups and 100% cpu use
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1367 2010-12-06 14:53:51 <Diablo-D3> I wonder if I should create the queues outside of the thread
1368 2010-12-06 14:54:06 <Diablo-D3> it might eliminate a potential race
1369 2010-12-06 14:54:16 <ArtForz> my miner cries foul and dies when a CL call returns a error, so I am pretty sure I never got any
1370 2010-12-06 14:54:18 <Diablo-D3> but I dont know if amd's impl is using tls
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1373 2010-12-06 14:56:44 <ArtForz> probably not
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1375 2010-12-06 14:58:11 <xelister> tls?
1376 2010-12-06 14:58:16 <Diablo-D3> thread local storage
1377 2010-12-06 14:58:50 <xelister> afair there was some config option for tls in driver. or not
1378 2010-12-06 14:58:58 <Diablo-D3> no, thats something else
1379 2010-12-06 14:59:10 <xelister>   --tls={on|off}
1380 2010-12-06 14:59:11 <xelister>         Enable/disable fast thread local storage.  Disable this option when
1381 2010-12-06 14:59:13 <xelister>         virtual machines or WineX fail to work properly.
1382 2010-12-06 14:59:19 <xelister> yes I was correct
1383 2010-12-06 14:59:25 <Diablo-D3> yes, but thats something else
1384 2010-12-06 14:59:32 <Diablo-D3> its to deal with especially broken legacy apps
1385 2010-12-06 14:59:36 <xelister> ok
1386 2010-12-06 15:00:02 <xelister> I will just run it in 2 processes and see what happens
1387 2010-12-06 15:00:34 <xelister> btw, anyway, on catalyst 10.10 (instead 10.9) miner slowed down 530->470 M
1388 2010-12-06 15:00:45 <xelister> Diablo-D3: so much as for recommending catalyst 10.10
1389 2010-12-06 15:01:12 <Diablo-D3> xelister: 10.10 improved the compiler
1390 2010-12-06 15:01:20 <Diablo-D3> it made -v 1 much faster than -v 2 for me
1391 2010-12-06 15:01:30 <Diablo-D3> try screwing with -w too
1392 2010-12-06 15:02:00 <xelister> I use -w 128 since it doesnt rape desktop
1393 2010-12-06 15:02:10 <Diablo-D3> -w does not effect desktop raping
1394 2010-12-06 15:02:13 <Diablo-D3> -f does
1395 2010-12-06 15:02:16 <xelister> bull
1396 2010-12-06 15:02:29 <xelister> -f 3000 -w 256 -> desktop is SLOW AS SHIT hard to move mouse
1397 2010-12-06 15:02:36 <xelister> -f 60 -w 128 -> desktop is slick
1398 2010-12-06 15:02:41 <xelister> (on 10.9 beta, sdk 2.1)
1399 2010-12-06 15:03:05 <Diablo-D3> thats 10.9
1400 2010-12-06 15:03:06 <xelister> god damn it this GPU business is so fucking error prone, it's all black magic instead of solid engineering ;)
1401 2010-12-06 15:03:28 <Diablo-D3> it'll be solid engineering when AMD fixes all of ATI's shit
1402 2010-12-06 15:03:45 <xelister> <_<
1403 2010-12-06 15:03:57 <ArtForz> ... so shortly after hell freezes over
1404 2010-12-06 15:04:42 <Diablo-D3> heh
1405 2010-12-06 15:04:45 <Diablo-D3> its getting better
1406 2010-12-06 15:04:58 <Diablo-D3> catalyst on windows is much better than it used to from what I heard
1407 2010-12-06 15:05:02 <ArtForz> yep
1408 2010-12-06 15:05:05 <Diablo-D3> and now we actually HAVE catalyst on linux
1409 2010-12-06 15:05:16 <Diablo-D3> instead of that hacked up pile of shit that was developed in parallel
1410 2010-12-06 15:05:21 <Diablo-D3> (ie, the real fglrx)
1411 2010-12-06 15:05:28 <ArtForz> = it usually works, but god help you if it doesn't
1412 2010-12-06 15:05:49 <xelister> "and ensure that ATI Radeon™ graphics undergo rigorous and thorough testing against real-world scenarios, ensuring compatibility and stability on which you can rely on"
1413 2010-12-06 15:05:57 <xelister> <_<   <_<   >_>   ^_-
1414 2010-12-06 15:06:02 <Diablo-D3> xelister: testing suites are not designed, they are grown
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1416 2010-12-06 15:06:15 <ArtForz> "rigorous testing" == "it compiled, ship it"
1417 2010-12-06 15:06:29 <xelister> Rock-solid Reliability
1418 2010-12-06 15:06:30 <xelister> AMD and Adobe collaborate and insure that ATI FirePro graphics undergo rigorous and thorough testing against a battery of simulations and real-world scenarios,
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1420 2010-12-06 15:06:45 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: :D
1421 2010-12-06 15:07:02 <xelister> + "it runs on bob's box"
1422 2010-12-06 15:07:04 <Diablo-D3> xelister: alright, you need to test something
1423 2010-12-06 15:07:09 <Diablo-D3> see around line 405?
1424 2010-12-06 15:07:13 <xelister> hmmm
1425 2010-12-06 15:07:19 <Diablo-D3> after this.new ExecutionState
1426 2010-12-06 15:07:21 <Diablo-D3> put
1427 2010-12-06 15:07:28 <Diablo-D3> executions[i].queue = CL10.clCreateCommandQueue(context, device, 0, null);
1428 2010-12-06 15:07:45 <xelister>  - And then Akira licked Annet,
1429 2010-12-06 15:07:49 <xelister> no wait, wrong editor
1430 2010-12-06 15:08:03 <Diablo-D3> then around line 486
1431 2010-12-06 15:08:12 <Diablo-D3> where it says queue =
1432 2010-12-06 15:08:14 <Diablo-D3> comment that line out
1433 2010-12-06 15:08:21 <xelister> -w 128 -v 1  (git, sdk2.1, catal10.10) --> 470
1434 2010-12-06 15:08:29 <Diablo-D3> and try it
1435 2010-12-06 15:09:53 <xelister> -w 128 -v 2  (git, sdk2.1, catal10.10) --> 480... no wait thats not realible, Im using too much dekstop
1436 2010-12-06 15:10:11 <Diablo-D3> do not use -v on radeon 5xxx
1437 2010-12-06 15:10:13 <Diablo-D3> it should be slower
1438 2010-12-06 15:10:49 <Diablo-D3> infact, I probably can take that out now
1439 2010-12-06 15:11:17 <ArtForz> and dont forget -a for sdk 2.1
1440 2010-12-06 15:11:33 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: jesus, that means he should get like 800
1441 2010-12-06 15:13:23 <xelister>          executions[i] = this.new ExecutionState();
1442 2010-12-06 15:13:24 <xelister> +       executions[i].queue = CL10.clCreateCommandQueue(context, device, 0, null);
1443 2010-12-06 15:13:30 <xelister> -        queue = CL10.clCreateCommandQueue(context, device, 0, errBuf);
1444 2010-12-06 15:13:32 <xelister> +       // queue = CL10.clCreateCommandQueue(context, device, 0, errBuf);
1445 2010-12-06 15:13:33 <xelister> thats all?
1446 2010-12-06 15:13:38 <Diablo-D3> yes
1447 2010-12-06 15:13:52 <Diablo-D3> see if it makes your magic fuck you bug go away
1448 2010-12-06 15:14:11 <ArtForz> it *shouldnt* make a difference, but ATIs SDK is ... ATI code
1449 2010-12-06 15:14:22 <xelister> >_>
1450 2010-12-06 15:14:25 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: I might not be able to CREATE queues in parallel
1451 2010-12-06 15:14:43 <xelister> Diablo-D3: this changes appear to increase speed back, 480->517
1452 2010-12-06 15:14:53 <ArtForz> actually... that sounds quite plausible
1453 2010-12-06 15:15:09 <Diablo-D3> xelister: use -d
1454 2010-12-06 15:15:33 <Diablo-D3> xelister: restart it like 5 billion times
1455 2010-12-06 15:15:44 <Diablo-D3> see if it goes apeshit on gpu #2 shit
1456 2010-12-06 15:16:01 <xelister> still.
1457 2010-12-06 15:16:09 <xelister> no errors. Attempts almost only on #2
1458 2010-12-06 15:16:28 <Diablo-D3> and try it on 2.2 5 billion times if you get the -52 error (which requires -d on)
1459 2010-12-06 15:16:38 <xelister> Diablo-D3: go buy an 5970 ;)
1460 2010-12-06 15:16:51 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: a new bug he came up with yesterday, his other gpu is extra lucky
1461 2010-12-06 15:16:54 <xelister> how to break on -52
1462 2010-12-06 15:16:57 <xelister> exit
1463 2010-12-06 15:17:07 <Diablo-D3> xelister: it doesnt anymore
1464 2010-12-06 15:17:11 <xelister> ArtForz: gpu #2 gets x100 more attempts then gpu #1  =)
1465 2010-12-06 15:17:23 <Diablo-D3> xelister: it just silently ignores only -52, need -d on to see it
1466 2010-12-06 15:17:32 <ArtForz> thats... quite unbelievably lucky
1467 2010-12-06 15:17:33 <xelister> interesting thing, it appeared still both gpu have similar amount of SOLUTIONS found, wtf
1468 2010-12-06 15:17:45 <Diablo-D3> I assume its just spewing shit
1469 2010-12-06 15:17:54 <xelister> but it hit some solutions
1470 2010-12-06 15:17:56 <Diablo-D3> if both have the same valid solutions
1471 2010-12-06 15:18:07 <Diablo-D3> same number I mean
1472 2010-12-06 15:18:15 <xelister> perhaps #2 gpu often has a false-attempt?  say a string  of 000000000 as solution that looks like Attempt?
1473 2010-12-06 15:18:29 <Diablo-D3> no
1474 2010-12-06 15:18:34 <Diablo-D3> 0 means no solution
1475 2010-12-06 15:18:45 <Diablo-D3> its not a string, its a number
1476 2010-12-06 15:18:50 <ArtForz> ugh, looks like I killed half of a 5970
1477 2010-12-06 15:19:02 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: how?
1478 2010-12-06 15:19:31 <ArtForz> 1.1625V core + accelero cooler
1479 2010-12-06 15:20:10 <ArtForz> box crashes if slave GPU on that card tries to go into 3D mode
1480 2010-12-06 15:20:25 <ArtForz> it still works when I limit it to 550MHz core
1481 2010-12-06 15:20:59 <ArtForz> and the card smells like magic smoke
1482 2010-12-06 15:21:20 <ArtForz> wild guess, one of the VRM phases blew
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1485 2010-12-06 15:28:00 * xelister dicks around with stupid miners
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1487 2010-12-06 15:29:37 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: ouch
1488 2010-12-06 15:29:46 <Diablo-D3> xelister: so does it fix the -52 bug on 2.2?
1489 2010-12-06 15:30:19 <xelister> Diablo-D3: do I need -d  and does it NOT exist on -52?  because I will not see -52 in spam
1490 2010-12-06 15:34:32 <Diablo-D3> you need -d to see -52
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1492 2010-12-06 15:34:43 <Diablo-D3> it says CL... _ARGS_... something
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1496 2010-12-06 15:55:32 <bencoder> is there a channel for bitdns/whatever we call it?
1497 2010-12-06 15:56:47 <xelister> #bitdns ?
1498 2010-12-06 16:00:10 <xelister> #bitcoin-dicking-around-with-stupid-gpu >_>
1499 2010-12-06 16:05:08 <davux> do you know when the sendfrom feature will be available?
1500 2010-12-06 16:05:33 <davux> and getbalance account
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1502 2010-12-06 16:13:37 <MT`AwAy> http://www.twitlonger.com/show/7bg5kc <- wow
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1504 2010-12-06 16:14:53 <davux> MT`AwAy: any idea?
1505 2010-12-06 16:15:13 <MT`AwAy> davux: I'll make it available in *my* bitcoin client
1506 2010-12-06 16:15:18 <MT`AwAy> probably in january's release
1507 2010-12-06 16:15:24 <MT`AwAy> for the official client I can't tell
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1510 2010-12-06 16:15:49 <MT`AwAy> davux: post this kind of feature requests to https://bitcoin.in/forum/index.php/topic,4.0.html plz
1511 2010-12-06 16:17:24 <genjix> davux: they're in the svn
1512 2010-12-06 16:19:03 <genjix> MT`AwAy: i cannot comment on that thread
1513 2010-12-06 16:19:06 <MT`AwAy> then if it's already in the main client it'll be in mine too, no need for feature request
1514 2010-12-06 16:19:16 <MT`AwAy> genjix: you can comment by talking to me too if you're too lazy to register :p
1515 2010-12-06 16:19:31 <genjix> oh its a different forum
1516 2010-12-06 16:19:35 <genjix> had me fooled
1517 2010-12-06 16:19:36 <davux> MT`AwAy: what will your bitcoin client have?
1518 2010-12-06 16:19:52 <MT`AwAy> genjix: I use a *real* ssl certificate that makes no warning (and display the name of my company)
1519 2010-12-06 16:19:54 <davux> btw, i like the idea of libbitcoin as suggested by someone on the forum
1520 2010-12-06 16:20:03 <genjix> MT`AwAy: yeah apart from the colours thing. another cool thing would be automatic backing up of wallets.
1521 2010-12-06 16:20:11 <MT`AwAy> davux: it'll work a bit that way (ie. the bitcoin part and the interface part will be separated)
1522 2010-12-06 16:20:15 <genjix> davux: why? we have the json api
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1524 2010-12-06 16:20:51 <genjix> MT`AwAy: i really like you design. sounds solid :)
1525 2010-12-06 16:21:22 <MT`AwAy> genjix: on my system you'll be able to re-update your wallet (ie. money you received after your wallet was backed up can be used, except if it was moved to an address not in the wallet)
1526 2010-12-06 16:21:24 <davux> genjix: the json api still relies on the original client, it's a centralized structure
1527 2010-12-06 16:21:36 <edcba> MT`AwAy: there is no such thing as a *real* cert :)
1528 2010-12-06 16:21:41 <MT`AwAy> also the wallet will handle non-disclosed addresses and disclosed addresses differently
1529 2010-12-06 16:21:45 <Diablo-D3> xelister: so
1530 2010-12-06 16:21:46 <Diablo-D3> my change
1531 2010-12-06 16:21:47 <Diablo-D3> did it
1532 2010-12-06 16:21:49 <Diablo-D3> fix your shit?
1533 2010-12-06 16:21:49 <Diablo-D3> or not
1534 2010-12-06 16:21:51 <davux> in particular if the bitcoin client decides that you can't do something, you can't do it
1535 2010-12-06 16:21:54 <MT`AwAy> edcba: you trust your web browser vendor, who trust a set of CA
1536 2010-12-06 16:22:28 <edcba> who are untrustworthy :)
1537 2010-12-06 16:22:30 <MT`AwAy> anyway I believe even if Satoshi discourages creation of alternative clients it is a requirement for a project such as bitcoin to have alternatives
1538 2010-12-06 16:22:48 <davux> MT`AwAy: i totally agree
1539 2010-12-06 16:22:53 <genjix> agreed. maybe there should be a libbitcoin
1540 2010-12-06 16:23:00 <edcba> i guess many ppl agree about alt clients :)
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1542 2010-12-06 16:23:17 <MT`AwAy> also, I maintain an alt forum in case bitcoin.org goes down again (at bitcoin.in)
1543 2010-12-06 16:23:25 <genjix> seperate controller from model/view
1544 2010-12-06 16:23:29 <davux> if the protocol is well defined, having alternative clients shouldn't be a problem
1545 2010-12-06 16:23:33 <MT`AwAy> btw if people want to make bitcoin related websites I can provide infrastructure & domains
1546 2010-12-06 16:23:43 <edcba> davux: but it isn't
1547 2010-12-06 16:23:53 <MT`AwAy> davux: the protocol is not well defined, and Satoshi has warned he'll make compatibility-breaking changes without notice
1548 2010-12-06 16:23:55 <genjix> MT`AwAy: oh yes please.
1549 2010-12-06 16:24:03 <genjix> for my site i posted earlier
1550 2010-12-06 16:24:10 <davux> i mean well defined, not well thought
1551 2010-12-06 16:24:11 <MT`AwAy> genjix: url?
1552 2010-12-06 16:24:15 <genjix> http://92.7.201.223
1553 2010-12-06 16:24:26 <genjix> its running off a home computer atm.
1554 2010-12-06 16:24:28 <davux> *clearly* defined, if you prefer
1555 2010-12-06 16:24:32 <edcba> it is well thought but still it isn't well defined
1556 2010-12-06 16:24:40 <davux> which doesn't mean it can't change over time
1557 2010-12-06 16:25:06 <MT`AwAy> genjix: if it's a project you're making money on, I might want you to - for example - add a "hosted by Kalyhost" (with a link)
1558 2010-12-06 16:25:09 <davux> all protocols have different versions over time, it's not an issue
1559 2010-12-06 16:25:19 <MT`AwAy> genjix: I can give you a VPS for free, and a domain name
1560 2010-12-06 16:25:21 <genjix> MT`AwAy: np.
1561 2010-12-06 16:25:38 <edcba> MT`AwAy: can we run bitcoin on the vps ? :)
1562 2010-12-06 16:25:42 <davux> every HTTP requests announces the version number it's using
1563 2010-12-06 16:25:42 <MT`AwAy> as long as the VPS is not used for anything else than this project
1564 2010-12-06 16:25:49 <MT`AwAy> edcba: yes, providing you're not generating
1565 2010-12-06 16:25:53 <edcba> damn :p
1566 2010-12-06 16:26:03 <MT`AwAy> edcba: if you want to generate, pay for the vps (it won't be worth it)
1567 2010-12-06 16:26:15 <genjix> sure.
1568 2010-12-06 16:26:24 <MT`AwAy> genjix: you might want to go in privmsg
1569 2010-12-06 16:26:28 <genjix> ok
1570 2010-12-06 16:26:31 <MT`AwAy> for vps & domain choice
1571 2010-12-06 16:36:08 <xelister> Diablo-D3: still onpy gpu#2 genrates
1572 2010-12-06 16:36:20 <xelister> Diablo-D3: still onpy gpu#2 genrates attempts
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1574 2010-12-06 16:36:32 <xelister> what is the expected number of attempts per finding one block?
1575 2010-12-06 16:36:47 <xelister> got 67000 attempts after hour or two on 5970
1576 2010-12-06 16:36:48 <MT`AwAy> xelister: a lot
1577 2010-12-06 16:37:03 <xelister> ANYONE GOT A 5970 ????
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1579 2010-12-06 16:38:14 <Diablo-D3> xelister: well that didnt fix it.
1580 2010-12-06 16:38:20 <Diablo-D3> xelister: go revert that patch
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1582 2010-12-06 16:40:11 <bencoder> wikileaks have lost their swiss bank account now
1583 2010-12-06 16:40:52 <genjix> :o
1584 2010-12-06 16:40:59 <Diablo-D3> bencoder: yes, I already posted that on my identica feed
1585 2010-12-06 16:43:25 m0mchil has left ()
1586 2010-12-06 16:46:28 andrew12 has joined
1587 2010-12-06 16:46:29 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|wow
1588 2010-12-06 16:46:42 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|i've been talking in #bitcoin for so long without realizing that it wasn't #bitcoin-dev
1589 2010-12-06 16:47:04 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|hi guys :P
1590 2010-12-06 16:47:37 <MT`AwAy> xD
1591 2010-12-06 16:47:44 <MT`AwAy> andrew12|school: must have felt lonely
1592 2010-12-06 16:47:53 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|it did D:
1593 2010-12-06 16:48:21 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|I like having a fast computer. it doesn't take as long to get all the blocks. I've gotten 45000 already
1594 2010-12-06 16:48:47 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|someone should archive the blocks or something so you don't need to wait for each individual one
1595 2010-12-06 16:49:14 <[Noodles]> some of us have already #done that
1596 2010-12-06 16:49:26 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|orly?
1597 2010-12-06 16:49:35 <[Noodles]> http://bitlex.co.cc/files/block-chain.94040.zip
1598 2010-12-06 16:49:39 <MT`AwAy> andrew12|school: you have those in some places, however that means you rely on whoever archived those and trust them :p
1599 2010-12-06 16:49:43 <[Noodles]> just as an example ^.^
1600 2010-12-06 16:49:51 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|kewl
1601 2010-12-06 16:49:59 <MT`AwAy> (also you'll may miss transactions if you use those after having received coins
1602 2010-12-06 16:50:04 <MT`AwAy> s/'ll//
1603 2010-12-06 16:50:11 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|MT`AwAy: it's a clean install :P
1604 2010-12-06 16:50:29 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|[Noodles]: thanks :P
1605 2010-12-06 16:50:44 <[Noodles]> your welcome
1606 2010-12-06 16:50:59 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|you're* :o
1607 2010-12-06 16:51:31 <MT`AwAy> http://www.bitcoin.org/trade <- some of the businesses there require you to contact them to pay with bitcoins, I find it a bit sad
1608 2010-12-06 16:51:32 <[Noodles]> yeah, that too
1609 2010-12-06 16:52:00 <genjix> include one webhost called kalyhost
1610 2010-12-06 16:52:02 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|MT`AwAy: that completely defeats the purpose
1611 2010-12-06 16:52:03 <genjix> :)
1612 2010-12-06 16:52:17 <MT`AwAy> genjix: kalyhost provides payment in BTC directly
1613 2010-12-06 16:52:31 <MT`AwAy> It took me about 2 hours to add bitcoins and make it work fine
1614 2010-12-06 16:52:32 <genjix> i eat my words.
1615 2010-12-06 16:52:33 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|i mean you can use a psusedonym but it's still not exactly anonymous
1616 2010-12-06 16:53:04 <MT`AwAy> andrew12|school: the point of paying in bitcoins is not to be anonymous, except for some providers like privacyshark
1617 2010-12-06 16:53:16 <MT`AwAy> the point of paying in bitcoins is .. well... to use your bitcoins
1618 2010-12-06 16:53:17 <MT`AwAy> :D
1619 2010-12-06 16:54:09 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|lol
1620 2010-12-06 16:54:19 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|yeah i guess
1621 2010-12-06 16:54:46 <MT`AwAy> by selling services in bitcoins I accumulated quite a few bitcoins
1622 2010-12-06 16:54:49 <[Noodles]> ;;bc,stats
1623 2010-12-06 16:54:51 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|it's nice that instead of having to wait 30 minutes I've only gotta wait 6 minutes
1624 2010-12-06 16:54:51 <gribble> Current Blocks: 96011 | Current Difficulty: 8078.19525793 | Next Difficulty At Block: 96767 | Next Difficulty In: 756 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 14 hours, 33 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11760.21686390
1625 2010-12-06 16:55:07 <davux> i wonder if it's possible to convert a bitcoin keypair into a pgp keypair
1626 2010-12-06 16:55:13 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|how do you make gribble tell you the commands you can do? i mean, I know it's supybot but ;;list doesn't give you much
1627 2010-12-06 16:55:18 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|;;list
1628 2010-12-06 16:55:18 <gribble> Admin, Alias, Anonymous, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Conditional, Config, Debug, Dict, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Format, Games, Google, Internet, Later, MarketMonitor, Math, MessageParser, Misc, MtgoxMonitor, Network, Note, OTCOrderBook, Owner, Plugin, RSS, RatingSystem, Relay, Reply, Scheduler, Seen, Services, Status, String, Time, Topic, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
1629 2010-12-06 16:55:20 <MT`AwAy> davux: if pgp supports EC
1630 2010-12-06 16:55:27 <davux> that would make it possible to prove that you made a certain transaction
1631 2010-12-06 16:55:28 <genjix> MT`AwAy: lol iit seems ubuntu server edition is broken http://georgia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1632145
1632 2010-12-06 16:55:30 <nanotube> andrew12|school: see the ,,gribble wiki
1633 2010-12-06 16:55:30 <gribble> Here's a bitcoin wiki page about gribble: http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=gribble
1634 2010-12-06 16:55:33 <genjix> i cannot use apt at all.
1635 2010-12-06 16:55:39 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|ty
1636 2010-12-06 16:55:42 <genjix> apt-cache update
1637 2010-12-06 16:55:42 <genjix> E: Invalid operation update
1638 2010-12-06 16:55:54 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|;;bc,timetonext
1639 2010-12-06 16:55:54 <Xunie> genjix, it's apt-get update
1640 2010-12-06 16:55:55 <gribble> 3 days, 14 hours, 33 minutes, and 1 second
1641 2010-12-06 16:56:05 <Xunie> genjix, apt-cache is for searching.
1642 2010-12-06 16:56:05 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|;;bc,nexttarget
1643 2010-12-06 16:56:06 <gribble> 96767
1644 2010-12-06 16:56:06 <MT`AwAy> genjix: fixed?
1645 2010-12-06 16:56:14 <genjix> yes
1646 2010-12-06 16:56:16 <MT`AwAy> :)
1647 2010-12-06 16:56:22 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|apt sucks
1648 2010-12-06 16:56:24 <genjix> that was fast.
1649 2010-12-06 16:56:25 <MT`AwAy> just needed to run one "apt-get update"
1650 2010-12-06 16:56:30 <Xunie> genjix, that'll be 1 BTC.
1651 2010-12-06 16:56:30 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|it's one of the reasons i switched to arch
1652 2010-12-06 16:56:32 <MT`AwAy> to reload packages cache
1653 2010-12-06 16:56:34 <genjix> aha
1654 2010-12-06 16:56:34 <Xunie> Just kidding. :P
1655 2010-12-06 16:56:54 * MT`AwAy switched to gentoo (from debian) a long ago
1656 2010-12-06 16:57:07 <Xunie> andrew12|school, try aptitude, it's an apt-* overlay.
1657 2010-12-06 16:57:08 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|heh
1658 2010-12-06 16:57:11 <genjix> i dont know why ubuntu doesnt use aptitude instead of apt-get
1659 2010-12-06 16:57:13 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|I like pacman
1660 2010-12-06 16:57:23 <Xunie> genjix, it does, you can apt-get install aptitude.
1661 2010-12-06 16:57:42 <MT`AwAy> andrew12|school: I got fed up of binary distroes when I had troubles with some specific cpu optimizations I needed
1662 2010-12-06 16:57:50 <genjix> andrew12|school: is arch good? i heard it becomes a hassle after a while but i dislike all the junk on ubuntu and use a minimal desktop anyway
1663 2010-12-06 16:57:58 <MT`AwAy> I only use debian when the hardware is too weak (say, my ARM-based router)
1664 2010-12-06 16:57:59 <genjix> Xunie: yeah but thats not default i mean
1665 2010-12-06 16:58:20 <Xunie> genjix, so? All you have to do is install aptitude and use that instead.
1666 2010-12-06 16:58:28 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|genjix: arch is good. it litterally starts you out with nothing more or less than a root shell
1667 2010-12-06 16:58:33 <genjix> im only using terminals mostly
1668 2010-12-06 16:58:38 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|a root shell and a package manager
1669 2010-12-06 16:58:45 <Xunie> genjix, not like you need any weird configuration.
1670 2010-12-06 16:59:05 <genjix> andrew12|school: but then you have to spend ages editing conf files?
1671 2010-12-06 16:59:06 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|the package databases are updated very frequently
1672 2010-12-06 16:59:12 <genjix> ubuntu is pretty much automatic
1673 2010-12-06 16:59:15 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|genjix: you can get it installed in less than 2 hours
1674 2010-12-06 16:59:19 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|less than 1 hour
1675 2010-12-06 16:59:20 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|:P
1676 2010-12-06 16:59:24 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|I got it installed on my flash drive
1677 2010-12-06 16:59:26 <genjix> but i mean day to day
1678 2010-12-06 16:59:31 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|genjix: not really
1679 2010-12-06 16:59:37 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|It's really for minimalists
1680 2010-12-06 16:59:50 <Xunie> ;;bc,totalbc
1681 2010-12-06 16:59:51 <gribble> 4800550.00000000
1682 2010-12-06 16:59:59 darrob has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1683 2010-12-06 17:00:00 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|with fluxbox it's using less than 80MB of RAM
1684 2010-12-06 17:00:06 <genjix> nice. i might switch to it one day
1685 2010-12-06 17:00:19 <Xunie> ;;bc,calc 10000
1686 2010-12-06 17:00:20 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 10000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 5 weeks, 5 days, 3 hours, 45 minutes, and 58 seconds
1687 2010-12-06 17:01:17 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|without fluxbox it's using less than 20
1688 2010-12-06 17:01:18 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|:P
1689 2010-12-06 17:02:00 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|yay now I have the blocks up to 94050 or something
1690 2010-12-06 17:02:11 <nanotube> ;;bc,blocks
1691 2010-12-06 17:02:11 <gribble> 96011
1692 2010-12-06 17:02:14 <nanotube> heh almost there
1693 2010-12-06 17:02:19 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|now it's getting the rest
1694 2010-12-06 17:02:34 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|95500
1695 2010-12-06 17:02:50 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|96011 woo
1696 2010-12-06 17:03:02 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|;;bc,calc 1805
1697 2010-12-06 17:03:03 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1805 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 31 weeks, 5 days, 11 hours, 25 minutes, and 30 seconds
1698 2010-12-06 17:03:14 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|;;bc,calc 1870
1699 2010-12-06 17:03:15 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1870 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 30 weeks, 4 days, 17 hours, 49 minutes, and 48 seconds
1700 2010-12-06 17:03:33 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|i'd try running a GPU miner on here but I don't even know the specs of this pc
1701 2010-12-06 17:03:39 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|besides that it's a centrino
1702 2010-12-06 17:03:57 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|inb4 I generate a block
1703 2010-12-06 17:05:00 <nanotube> andrew12|school: try joining the mining ,,pool
1704 2010-12-06 17:05:00 <gribble> No fancy GPU, and don't want to wait for months for a block gen? Join the mining pool! http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/bitcoin-pool/
1705 2010-12-06 17:05:15 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|oooooh
1706 2010-12-06 17:05:15 altamic has joined
1707 2010-12-06 17:05:58 <nanotube> hey, got a nongenerating node running on my vps. getting blocks. :)
1708 2010-12-06 17:05:59 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|I'll have to get that on my desktop
1709 2010-12-06 17:06:21 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|nanotube: it's not generating? or is it helping the mining pool generate?
1710 2010-12-06 17:06:54 <nanotube> not generating. i may run a pool miner as well, though. but i am just getting a stable node up to help the network.
1711 2010-12-06 17:07:25 <nanotube> yay up to 15000 blocks. heh
1712 2010-12-06 17:07:41 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|oh you're downloading the blocks
1713 2010-12-06 17:07:55 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|I did that on a server I have access to
1714 2010-12-06 17:07:57 <nanotube> yea, just started it a few minutes ago
1715 2010-12-06 17:08:27 <nanotube> the block getting is going pretty fast
1716 2010-12-06 17:08:32 <nanotube> 20k blocks in 5 min
1717 2010-12-06 17:08:34 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|remind me about that when I get home
1718 2010-12-06 17:08:50 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|if you're still around
1719 2010-12-06 17:09:11 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|actually better idea
1720 2010-12-06 17:09:16 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|i'll just pm andrew12|school
1721 2010-12-06 17:09:17 <nanotube> andrew12|school: when do you get home?
1722 2010-12-06 17:09:17 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|er
1723 2010-12-06 17:09:20 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|andrew12
1724 2010-12-06 17:09:26 <nanotube> in how many hours?
1725 2010-12-06 17:09:31 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|i get home before 3
1726 2010-12-06 17:09:36 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|or after idk
1727 2010-12-06 17:09:37 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|:p
1728 2010-12-06 17:09:52 <nanotube> well... let's just do this:
1729 2010-12-06 17:10:03 <nanotube> ;;later tell andrew12 remember about your vps and the bitcoin node
1730 2010-12-06 17:10:03 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
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1732 2010-12-06 17:10:13 <nanotube> andrew12|school: bot will send you msg as soon as it sees you say something. :)
1733 2010-12-06 17:10:16 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|i meant about the mining pool :p
1734 2010-12-06 17:10:21 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|I sent myself a pm
1735 2010-12-06 17:10:27 <nanotube> haha ok
1736 2010-12-06 17:10:31 darrob has joined
1737 2010-12-06 17:10:46 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|i wonder if it'd be worth it to learn java
1738 2010-12-06 17:10:48 <nanotube> well now you'll get a msg from gribble too.
1739 2010-12-06 17:10:55 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|:D
1740 2010-12-06 17:11:16 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|I really need to get a VPS of my own
1741 2010-12-06 17:12:01 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|luckily if I join this mining pool thing I might be able to start getting money to pay for one. :D
1742 2010-12-06 17:13:21 <nanotube> heh
1743 2010-12-06 17:13:26 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|I would use it for a Minecraft server and maybe run bitcoin with low priority
1744 2010-12-06 17:13:50 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|maybe make some bitcoin project with it too :p
1745 2010-12-06 17:13:56 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|like a raffle
1746 2010-12-06 17:14:54 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|the cool thing about raffles is that after everyone buys tickets, I should have enough money to buy whatever it is that's being raffled, and to ship it, and then some extra :D
1747 2010-12-06 17:15:12 <nanotube> more gambling....
1748 2010-12-06 17:15:19 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|haha
1749 2010-12-06 17:15:56 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|okay I gotta put this computer away now
1750 2010-12-06 17:16:06 <andrew12> school!401a4b78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.75.120|i'll see you guys laterz
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1753 2010-12-06 17:18:48 <albatross> i wonder if the wikileaks ppl are using bitcoin at all. Assange just had his swiss bank account closed
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1759 2010-12-06 17:22:20 <davux> FYI, http://gitorious.org/python-bitcoin
1760 2010-12-06 17:22:37 <davux> it's a small, hight-level module, but it can be useful
1761 2010-12-06 17:23:06 <genjix> davux: is there any benefit over python json?
1762 2010-12-06 17:23:39 <davux> genjix: it uses json
1763 2010-12-06 17:23:54 <davux> it's just higher-levelso that you don't need to care about json
1764 2010-12-06 17:24:03 <davux> s/levelso/level so/
1765 2010-12-06 17:24:08 <genjix> http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=api#python
1766 2010-12-06 17:24:11 <genjix> i mean that
1767 2010-12-06 17:24:41 <davux> it uses that
1768 2010-12-06 17:25:09 <davux> for example you have an Address class
1769 2010-12-06 17:26:47 <genjix> yep im looking at it.
1770 2010-12-06 17:27:18 <davux> it's nothing amazing, just a small useful module
1771 2010-12-06 17:27:23 <genjix> cool
1772 2010-12-06 17:27:29 <genjix> im going to use this.
1773 2010-12-06 17:27:50 <davux> I made it for http://gitorious.org/bitcoim/ so I figured out I could as well isolate it
1774 2010-12-06 17:28:11 <genjix> but one thing: why do you cache function calls?
1775 2010-12-06 17:28:50 <davux> I cache the connection to the controller
1776 2010-12-06 17:29:12 <genjix> oh wow bitcoim is rave :D
1777 2010-12-06 17:29:20 <davux> you just use Controller().send(blah)
1778 2010-12-06 17:29:27 <genjix> ah ok that's good
1779 2010-12-06 17:29:40 <genjix> ok i get it now :p
1780 2010-12-06 17:29:49 <davux> the Controller() constructor accepts an URL
1781 2010-12-06 17:29:54 <genjix> bitcoIM
1782 2010-12-06 17:30:04 <davux> which you need to do at least the first time, of course
1783 2010-12-06 17:30:25 <davux> if you do it with several URLs, they're all cached
1784 2010-12-06 17:30:45 <davux> so that two calls with the same URL will reuse the cached controller
1785 2010-12-06 17:31:13 <davux> yeah i'm working on bitcoIM at the moment
1786 2010-12-06 17:31:29 <davux> yesterday i made my first bitcoin payment over jabber (on the testnet)
1787 2010-12-06 17:35:06 <genjix> MT`AwAy: ok so I just need more virtual memory to compile bitcoind (just for a tiny while :p)... I tried uploading one I built but it doesnt work.
1788 2010-12-06 17:35:14 <MT`AwAy> :D
1789 2010-12-06 17:35:19 <MT`AwAy> bitcoind takes a LOT of memory to compile
1790 2010-12-06 17:35:22 <MT`AwAy> because of stupid boost
1791 2010-12-06 17:35:28 <genjix> oh
1792 2010-12-06 17:35:36 <nanotube> hehe /me is glad to have been able to run precompiled bitcoind on his vps
1793 2010-12-06 17:35:53 <genjix> nanotube: how did you get it to work? static build?
1794 2010-12-06 17:35:55 <nanotube> what is the maximum number of connections bitcoind will allow by default?
1795 2010-12-06 17:35:59 <MT`AwAy> genjix: try that
1796 2010-12-06 17:36:08 <nanotube> genjix: just grabbed the tar.gz bitcoin release...
1797 2010-12-06 17:36:12 <ArtForz> outbound 8, inbound unlimited
1798 2010-12-06 17:36:13 <genjix> how can I make a static build
1799 2010-12-06 17:36:22 <nanotube> genjix: i think other than glibc, all the stuff like boost is staticly linked
1800 2010-12-06 17:36:42 <nanotube> ArtForz: ah, unbound unlimited, ok. my done is up to 66 connections... so was just wondering. :)
1801 2010-12-06 17:36:43 <genjix> well i built/uploaded a bin and it spat out an error
1802 2010-12-06 17:36:53 <nanotube> ArtForz: i mean my node, not my done hehe
1803 2010-12-06 17:36:54 <genjix> anyway its building now :p
1804 2010-12-06 17:37:31 <MT`AwAy> genjix: if you built the binary in the same kind of environment, it shouldn't fail
1805 2010-12-06 17:38:07 <genjix> ah
1806 2010-12-06 17:38:14 <genjix> i have lucid, vps has meerkat
1807 2010-12-06 17:38:29 <genjix> (i cant upgrade because my / harddisk is too small :( )
1808 2010-12-06 17:38:47 <ArtForz> we only dynamically link libc, libgthread, libz and libdl
1809 2010-12-06 17:38:52 <genjix> 10 GB / is no longer enough for a linux operating system
1810 2010-12-06 17:39:16 <genjix> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'DbException' what():  DbEnv::close: Invalid argument
1811 2010-12-06 17:39:22 <genjix> that's the error
1812 2010-12-06 17:40:53 <nanotube> ArtForz: what's libz?
1813 2010-12-06 17:40:57 <ArtForz> zlib
1814 2010-12-06 17:41:00 <nanotube> aah
1815 2010-12-06 17:41:01 <nanotube> ok
1816 2010-12-06 17:41:02 <genjix> MT`AwAy: you can restore the limit back again
1817 2010-12-06 17:41:02 <nanotube> heh
1818 2010-12-06 17:41:19 <MT`AwAy> genjix: too lazy
1819 2010-12-06 17:41:20 <ArtForz> thats a weird one, we link libdb statically
1820 2010-12-06 17:41:30 <MT`AwAy> and you may want to compile bitcoin again when a new version is released
1821 2010-12-06 17:41:43 <genjix> ok i promise not to abuse :p
1822 2010-12-06 17:41:46 <MT`AwAy> :p
1823 2010-12-06 17:42:21 <nanotube> ArtForz: what's the average bandwidth requirement to run an always-on bitcoin node? have any idea?
1824 2010-12-06 17:42:38 <MT`AwAy> nanotube: negligeable
1825 2010-12-06 17:43:06 <ArtForz> a few kbit/s
1826 2010-12-06 17:43:41 <ArtForz> obviously depends on how much traffic there is
1827 2010-12-06 17:43:43 <nanotube> ok. i have "unlimited" bandwidth :) but still wouldn't want to get flagged for abuse or anything. seems reasonable.
1828 2010-12-06 17:44:25 <nanotube> k... guess i'll add my node to list of backup seednodes after it's done getting the blocks.
1829 2010-12-06 17:46:25 <nanotube> oooh, the list of backup seednodes has some torified nodes on it. nice. :)
1830 2010-12-06 17:47:11 <finnomenon> can a computer be too slow to generate a coin in time (before somebody else does for the block)?
1831 2010-12-06 17:47:34 <genjix> MT`AwAy: http://pastecoin.com/ :)
1832 2010-12-06 17:47:48 <genjix> tell me if you prefer different wording to Kalyhost
1833 2010-12-06 17:47:52 <genjix> like Web Hosting
1834 2010-12-06 17:48:23 <nanotube> finnomenon: no, everyone runs his own hashes.
1835 2010-12-06 17:48:33 <finnomenon> ok
1836 2010-12-06 17:48:34 <MT`AwAy> genjix: should be fine
1837 2010-12-06 17:48:35 <nanotube> finnomenon: that said, if you have a slow comp, it can take a long time, on average, to generate
1838 2010-12-06 17:50:42 <FreeMoney> it will also take a long time if you have a fast comp, so don't feel too bad
1839 2010-12-06 17:51:20 <finnomenon> is it likely to have first results within a day?
1840 2010-12-06 17:51:36 <finnomenon> or am I looking at days/weeks here?
1841 2010-12-06 17:52:40 <[Noodles]> more like months/years, if your using CPUs only
1842 2010-12-06 17:53:25 <[Noodles]> what's your khash/s?
1843 2010-12-06 17:54:00 <finnomenon> 184 khash/s
1844 2010-12-06 17:54:05 <[Noodles]> ^.^
1845 2010-12-06 17:54:08 <[Noodles]> years
1846 2010-12-06 17:54:18 <[Noodles]> ;;bc,calc 184
1847 2010-12-06 17:54:19 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 184 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 5 years, 51 weeks, 0 days, 10 hours, 35 minutes, and 58 seconds
1848 2010-12-06 17:54:25 <albatross> lol
1849 2010-12-06 17:54:28 <finnomenon> so it's not likely I'll ever generate one?
1850 2010-12-06 17:55:05 <nanotube> finnomenon: consider joining the mining ,,pool
1851 2010-12-06 17:55:05 <gribble> No fancy GPU, and don't want to wait for months for a block gen? Join the mining pool! http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/bitcoin-pool/
1852 2010-12-06 17:55:12 <albatross> better off buying on an exchange finnomenon
1853 2010-12-06 17:55:32 <genjix> ,,pool
1854 2010-12-06 17:55:32 <gribble> No fancy GPU, and don't want to wait for months for a block gen? Join the mining pool! http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/bitcoin-pool/
1855 2010-12-06 17:55:49 <nanotube> finnomenon: with the pool you contribute to a pool of generators, and get little pieces of the block. that said, if you want more bitcoins, buying them is probably not a bad idea.
1856 2010-12-06 17:56:16 <finnomenon> I need real money before I can invest it in bitcoins first ;/
1857 2010-12-06 17:56:31 <finnomenon> I'm broke at the moment.  I just like the idea of bitcoins so far
1858 2010-12-06 17:56:34 <nanotube> finnomenon: haha yea... or you can offer to trade goods/services.
1859 2010-12-06 17:56:43 <genjix> ;;bc,help
1860 2010-12-06 17:56:43 <gribble> Error: "bc,help" is not a valid command.
1861 2010-12-06 17:56:49 <MT`AwAy> finnomenon: sell your body ? :D
1862 2010-12-06 17:56:53 <[Noodles]> not even the pool will help much on that hash-count, u get a share like 1coin for ~1000khash, i mean 184 is really slow, even my single-core Atom is faster than that
1863 2010-12-06 17:56:55 <bd_> Huh, what stops you from just lying? That is, saying you're generating, but not actually doing any work (or doing much less work than you claim)?
1864 2010-12-06 17:56:55 <finnomenon> :o
1865 2010-12-06 17:56:58 <nanotube> finnomenon: or if you have a fast gpu, you can generate at much greater rates.
1866 2010-12-06 17:57:13 <genjix> ;;help
1867 2010-12-06 17:57:14 <gribble> The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/
1868 2010-12-06 17:57:22 <MT`AwAy> bd_: the pool server checks generated hashes from times to times, you can lie, but not lie long
1869 2010-12-06 17:57:23 <nanotube> bd_: check the code... i'm not sure what measures are there to prevent cheating. or ask doublec
1870 2010-12-06 17:57:25 <genjix> !facts
1871 2010-12-06 17:57:28 <nanotube> genjix: see the ,,gribble wiki
1872 2010-12-06 17:57:28 <gribble> Here's a bitcoin wiki page about gribble: http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=gribble
1873 2010-12-06 17:57:38 <bd_> MT`AwAy: You client uploads _every_ hash in range, now?
1874 2010-12-06 17:57:44 <genjix> nanotube: can you put a ;;bc,help?
1875 2010-12-06 17:57:50 <genjix> just to list commands :p
1876 2010-12-06 17:57:53 <nanotube> genjix: what would it do?
1877 2010-12-06 17:57:58 <nanotube> ah, you mean, like ,,(apropos bc) ?
1878 2010-12-06 17:57:58 <gribble> Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,stats, Alias bc,timetonext, and Alias bc,totalbc
1879 2010-12-06 17:57:59 <MT`AwAy> bd_: I don't know the details
1880 2010-12-06 17:58:06 <genjix> give list of commands like on the wiki
1881 2010-12-06 17:58:15 <genjix> yep
1882 2010-12-06 17:58:18 <genjix> like that
1883 2010-12-06 17:58:26 <nanotube> ;;alias add bc,help apropos bc
1884 2010-12-06 17:58:26 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
1885 2010-12-06 17:58:31 <nanotube> genjix: ok, there you go. :)
1886 2010-12-06 17:58:31 <genjix> and why is the syntax for gribble so odd?
1887 2010-12-06 17:58:34 <nanotube> ;;bc,help
1888 2010-12-06 17:58:34 <gribble> Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,stats, Alias bc,timetonext, and Alias bc,totalbc
1889 2010-12-06 17:58:34 <genjix> thanks
1890 2010-12-06 17:58:42 <nanotube> genjix: what do you mean, odd?
1891 2010-12-06 17:58:57 <genjix> ;;bc, could be just a lone !
1892 2010-12-06 17:58:58 <gribble> Error: "bc," is not a valid command.
1893 2010-12-06 17:59:19 <nanotube> genjix: bot is used on many different places. i wanted to have bitcoin-related commands easily partitioned.
1894 2010-12-06 17:59:40 <genjix> ah ok
1895 2010-12-06 18:00:07 <genjix> ;;bc,blocks
1896 2010-12-06 18:00:08 <gribble> 96017
1897 2010-12-06 18:00:29 <[Noodles]> ;;bc,calc 80000
1898 2010-12-06 18:00:30 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 80000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 5 days, 0 hours, 28 minutes, and 14 seconds
1899 2010-12-06 18:00:55 <bd_> MT`AwAy: ah, looks like it hashes up all the hashes it examined, then the server has the option of cross-checking with another client
1900 2010-12-06 18:02:40 <nanotube> yay, my node is up to the end of the block chain now. :)
1901 2010-12-06 18:09:46 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|netsplit?
1902 2010-12-06 18:10:05 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|no
1903 2010-12-06 18:10:09 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|irssi segfaulting?
1904 2010-12-06 18:10:29 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|possibly
1905 2010-12-06 18:10:49 mtgox has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
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1907 2010-12-06 18:11:35 <mtgox> anyone here ever use wsdl or SOAP?
1908 2010-12-06 18:11:55 <MT`AwAy> mtgox: me
1909 2010-12-06 18:12:06 <MT`AwAy> as a matter of fact, all my apis are in SOAP
1910 2010-12-06 18:14:05 <redengin> come to the REST side
1911 2010-12-06 18:16:36 <nanotube> who owns bcbot?
1912 2010-12-06 18:18:17 <MT`AwAy> someone, I guess
1913 2010-12-06 18:18:51 <nanotube> haha very helpful, thanks. :)
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1917 2010-12-06 18:22:49 <MT`AwAy> genjix: http://www.pastecoin.com/ <- normal that a different bitcoin addr is shown at each page reload?
1918 2010-12-06 18:23:45 sgornick has joined
1919 2010-12-06 18:25:07 <davux> genjix: let me know if you ever use the python module, find it useful, and/or if you have any suggestion
1920 2010-12-06 18:25:35 <davux> i just made a setup.py file, so that it's easier to install
1921 2010-12-06 18:28:12 <nathan7> nanotube: Kick it and watch who complains? xD
1922 2010-12-06 18:32:38 <nanotube> nathan7: haha, you have ops, you kick ;)
1923 2010-12-06 18:32:59 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|Speaking of ops
1924 2010-12-06 18:33:07 * nameless !~root@weowntheinter.net|speaks of ops
1925 2010-12-06 18:33:38 * nanotube also speaks of ops haha
1926 2010-12-06 18:35:18 * nelisky wants to know what all this talk of ops is
1927 2010-12-06 18:35:51 * nameless !~root@weowntheinter.net|whispers about that one op
1928 2010-12-06 18:36:53 * MT`AwAy is happy to have finally received an answer from intel on a bug with wifi/wimax drivers
1929 2010-12-06 18:37:29 * nelisky thinks that ops don't like to be talked about
1930 2010-12-06 18:37:41 * nelisky never had ops, though
1931 2010-12-06 18:38:40 acous has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1932 2010-12-06 18:40:00 <nathan7> Hrm
1933 2010-12-06 18:40:03 * nelisky did have chickenpox many moons ago
1934 2010-12-06 18:40:10 * nameless !~root@weowntheinter.net|had ops but lost it in a split or segfault
1935 2010-12-06 18:40:21 <nathan7> uh
1936 2010-12-06 18:40:23 * nameless !~root@weowntheinter.net|also had chickenpox in 2nd grade
1937 2010-12-06 18:40:23 <nathan7> fffuu
1938 2010-12-06 18:40:33 <nathan7> now I feel guilty
1939 2010-12-06 18:40:36 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|lol
1940 2010-12-06 18:40:36 <nathan7> for deopping nanotube
1941 2010-12-06 18:40:47 <nathan7> even though I wrongly opped him
1942 2010-12-06 18:40:51 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|I want to know when I get added to chanserv
1943 2010-12-06 18:40:53 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|:p
1944 2010-12-06 18:43:15 <nanotube> nameless|: what do you mean 'wrongly'? felt right to me :)
1945 2010-12-06 18:43:20 <nanotube> er... nathan7
1946 2010-12-06 18:43:21 <nanotube> :)
1947 2010-12-06 18:43:34 <nanotube> i had ops, until i had my vps rebooted for an upgrade
1948 2010-12-06 18:43:43 acous has joined
1949 2010-12-06 18:43:45 <nanotube> but anyway, no matter. :)
1950 2010-12-06 18:44:07 acous has quit (Changing host)
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1952 2010-12-06 18:44:07 <nathan7> I thought so
1953 2010-12-06 18:44:21 <nathan7> And wrongly because I meant to op nameless|
1954 2010-12-06 18:44:28 <nathan7> and I wasn't sure about you having ops
1955 2010-12-06 18:44:50 <nanotube> yea i know. was just making the joke :)
1956 2010-12-06 18:44:51 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|What we need
1957 2010-12-06 18:44:52 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|is a bot
1958 2010-12-06 18:45:04 <nanotube> nameless|: a bot that does what? we have several bots on here
1959 2010-12-06 18:45:20 <genjix> dsd
1960 2010-12-06 18:45:23 <genjix> FU
1961 2010-12-06 18:45:24 <MT`AwAy> a bot that ops ?
1962 2010-12-06 18:45:25 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|nanotube: A bot that knows who should get ops and gives it to them if they lose it
1963 2010-12-06 18:45:26 <genjix> i want to be an op
1964 2010-12-06 18:45:31 <genjix> :(
1965 2010-12-06 18:45:39 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|Normally we call it chanserv,  but since none of us have access to it...
1966 2010-12-06 18:46:04 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|If I had time to bother setting up eggdrop and tcl, I'd do that
1967 2010-12-06 18:46:15 <nanotube> i can do it on gribble
1968 2010-12-06 18:46:20 <genjix> nameless|: what kind of bot do you want?
1969 2010-12-06 18:46:48 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|I do have ruby installed, I could use rbot...
1970 2010-12-06 18:47:16 <nanotube> nameless|: but i thought Sirius_ has access to chanserv, and it may be easier to just ask him to hand out some chanserv flags.
1971 2010-12-06 18:47:33 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|Feel free :p
1972 2010-12-06 18:48:25 <nanotube> haha ok. Sirius_ please see above ;)
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1975 2010-12-06 19:09:34 <kabo69> hi!
1976 2010-12-06 19:09:53 <kabo69> is there any way to check that the hashgeneration is working properly?
1977 2010-12-06 19:11:12 <kabo69> I have been running bitcoin 24/7 for about a week, 200000 hashes per sec, gotten 0 bitcoins so far
1978 2010-12-06 19:11:39 <[Noodles]> hashes, or khashes?
1979 2010-12-06 19:12:00 <[Noodles]> 200000 hashes isnt that much
1980 2010-12-06 19:12:01 <kabo69> the calculator says It should take between 3-7 days
1981 2010-12-06 19:12:03 <kabo69> http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php
1982 2010-12-06 19:12:22 <kabo69> uhmmm...
1983 2010-12-06 19:12:24 <[Noodles]> so its khashes
1984 2010-12-06 19:12:27 <[Noodles]> ?
1985 2010-12-06 19:12:41 <kabo69> bitcoind getinfo returns 200000 hashes per second
1986 2010-12-06 19:12:48 <kabo69> I put that in the calculator
1987 2010-12-06 19:12:57 <[Noodles]> thats just 200 khash/s
1988 2010-12-06 19:13:03 <[Noodles]> ;;bc,calc 200
1989 2010-12-06 19:13:04 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 200 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 5 years, 26 weeks, 0 days, 20 hours, 18 minutes, and 42 seconds
1990 2010-12-06 19:13:10 <ArtForz> yep, 200khash/sec = about 5.5 years avg
1991 2010-12-06 19:13:15 <kabo69> ouch...
1992 2010-12-06 19:13:16 <[Noodles]> instead of days, it's years
1993 2010-12-06 19:14:01 <kabo69> I wasn't observant of that k
1994 2010-12-06 19:14:25 <ArtForz> what's 3 orders of magnitude between friends? ;)
1995 2010-12-06 19:14:37 Lyspooner has joined
1996 2010-12-06 19:17:02 <kabo69> I'll try to see if it gets better with setgenerate true 2 instead of 1
1997 2010-12-06 19:17:56 <nanotube> kabo69: also consider joining the ,,pool
1998 2010-12-06 19:17:58 <gribble> No fancy GPU, and don't want to wait for months for a block gen? Join the mining pool! http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/bitcoin-pool/
1999 2010-12-06 19:18:39 <[Noodles]> which does 96000 khash/s right now
2000 2010-12-06 19:20:08 <kabo69> hmm, sounds interesting...
2001 2010-12-06 19:20:37 <MT`AwAy> https://twitter.com/MagicalTux/status/11862189493190656 <- if anyone want to knows what happens with wikileaks' hosting provider in France
2002 2010-12-06 19:20:38 <kabo69> is there just one mining pool to join or can I choose between several?
2003 2010-12-06 19:20:46 <Lyspooner> ;;bc,calc 96000
2004 2010-12-06 19:20:48 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 96000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 4 days, 4 hours, 23 minutes, and 32 seconds
2005 2010-12-06 19:21:01 <genjix> ;;bc,help
2006 2010-12-06 19:21:01 <gribble> Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,stats, Alias bc,timetonext, and Alias bc,totalbc
2007 2010-12-06 19:21:03 <[Noodles]> right now there
2008 2010-12-06 19:21:05 <genjix> ;;bc,blocks
2009 2010-12-06 19:21:06 <gribble> 96034
2010 2010-12-06 19:21:12 <[Noodles]> 's just one oublic pool
2011 2010-12-06 19:21:22 <[Noodles]> *public
2012 2010-12-06 19:21:40 * [Noodles] needs more coffee
2013 2010-12-06 19:22:11 <kabo69> ok. are there any guarantees that the pool distributes the coins fairly and doesn't keep a few coins for a few select?
2014 2010-12-06 19:22:34 <jackmcbarn> ;;bc,calc 1500
2015 2010-12-06 19:22:34 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1500 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 38 weeks, 1 day, 17 hours, 6 minutes, and 29 seconds
2016 2010-12-06 19:22:51 * jackmcbarn considers turning off generation
2017 2010-12-06 19:23:10 <ArtForz> ;;bc,calc 15936940
2018 2010-12-06 19:23:11 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 15936940 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 36 minutes and 17 seconds
2019 2010-12-06 19:23:22 <jackmcbarn> you do not have that khps
2020 2010-12-06 19:23:23 <MT`AwAy> kabo69: none, just look at the source and if you're not satisfied, run your own pool with your friends
2021 2010-12-06 19:23:36 <[Noodles]> no guarantees, you'll need to trust the pool-admin
2022 2010-12-06 19:23:43 <ArtForz> 24 HD5970, 5 HD5770
2023 2010-12-06 19:24:42 <Lyspooner> ArtForz, what is the diff:USD/BTC ratio where you turn off
2024 2010-12-06 19:24:51 * MT`AwAy thinks ArtForz can sink the bitcoin economy anytime
2025 2010-12-06 19:25:19 <nanotube> kabo69: you basically have to trust the guy who runs the pool. (that's doublec )
2026 2010-12-06 19:25:22 <[Noodles]> but he'd loose some cash himself, so why should he?
2027 2010-12-06 19:25:36 <nanotube> [Noodles]: maybe if he gets paid off by $government :)
2028 2010-12-06 19:25:38 <MT`AwAy> [Noodles]: for the lulz?
2029 2010-12-06 19:25:41 <ArtForz> in winter, close to infinite
2030 2010-12-06 19:26:51 <ArtForz> I need to load my generator to get decent thermal output, doesn't matter if the load is a bunch of electric heating coils or a bunch of GPUs
2031 2010-12-06 19:27:24 <MT`AwAy> here in Japan it's winter, it's really cold. It shows 15°C outside
2032 2010-12-06 19:27:24 <Lyspooner> Will you write calls on that ratio?
2033 2010-12-06 19:28:06 <MT`AwAy> ArtForz: I guess your GPU as not as heat-effective as your heating coils, part of the energy is lost in bitcoins :p
2034 2010-12-06 19:28:25 <ArtForz> yeah, a very small part
2035 2010-12-06 19:28:38 <ArtForz> around here it's currently ... -4°C and about 2' of snow
2036 2010-12-06 19:28:45 <kabo69> 15°C is cold? we had - 18°C recently.
2037 2010-12-06 19:28:49 <xelister> I had -15 C yesterday
2038 2010-12-06 19:28:57 <MT`AwAy> kabo69: relative to Japan's weather, 15°C is cold
2039 2010-12-06 19:29:03 <kabo69> ok :)
2040 2010-12-06 19:29:15 <kabo69> sounds kinda nice
2041 2010-12-06 19:29:17 <MT`AwAy> and people outside are wearing lots of stuff to keep hot
2042 2010-12-06 19:29:24 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: do you mean negative 15c? or positive?
2043 2010-12-06 19:29:27 <MT`AwAy> and look at me strangely if I go out in tshirt
2044 2010-12-06 19:29:30 <MT`AwAy> nanotube: positive
2045 2010-12-06 19:29:38 <MT`AwAy> right now it's night, 4.30 am, and 15°C
2046 2010-12-06 19:29:39 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: haha, that's not cold at all.
2047 2010-12-06 19:30:11 <MT`AwAy> nanotube: I have african friends who "feel cold" near 25°C
2048 2010-12-06 19:30:14 <ArtForz> here it's 8:30 PM, -4°C and dropping
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2050 2010-12-06 19:30:26 <kabo69> hmm... bitcoin-pool seems to require cmake >= 3.8
2051 2010-12-06 19:30:32 <kabo69> debian repos only have 3.6
2052 2010-12-06 19:30:33 <kabo69> ...
2053 2010-12-06 19:30:36 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: heh, i guess it all depends on what you're used to... where in japan are you, btw?
2054 2010-12-06 19:30:45 <nanotube> i didn't know part of japan was in the tropics... :D
2055 2010-12-06 19:30:57 <MT`AwAy> nanotube: Tokyo Prefecture, Tokyo 23ku, Suginami City, Kugayama
2056 2010-12-06 19:31:23 <kabo69> I meant 2.8 and 2.6, respectively
2057 2010-12-06 19:31:24 <ArtForz> below about 0°C outside temp I can run all GPUs @ 100%
2058 2010-12-06 19:32:28 <ArtForz> above that I have to throttle em a bit
2059 2010-12-06 19:32:32 <xelister> if you put an Ask or Bid at given rate on mtgox,  then how much it costs/how long it takes to change your mind and set other rate that you want
2060 2010-12-06 19:33:15 <nanotube> xelister: putting in and canceling orders on mtgox is free
2061 2010-12-06 19:33:27 <nanotube> orders are outstanding until filled, or cancelled
2062 2010-12-06 19:33:37 <finnomenon> ;;bc,calc 2500
2063 2010-12-06 19:33:39 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 2500 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 22 weeks, 6 days, 15 hours, 3 minutes, and 53 seconds
2064 2010-12-06 19:33:42 <nanotube> you can cancel at any time, unless order is filled.
2065 2010-12-06 19:34:03 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: cool. :)
2066 2010-12-06 19:34:19 <ArtForz> oh, and I got that last half 5970 working again
2067 2010-12-06 19:34:49 <finnomenon> roughly how many coins do you get for calculating a block?
2068 2010-12-06 19:34:56 <ArtForz> 50
2069 2010-12-06 19:35:05 <donpdonp> roughly 50.0000000000 (estimate)
2070 2010-12-06 19:35:12 <finnomenon> thanks :)
2071 2010-12-06 19:35:31 <nanotube> donpdonp: haha
2072 2010-12-06 19:35:43 <ArtForz> one of the volterra DrMOS chips for GPU#2 was dead, as expected
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2074 2010-12-06 19:35:57 <nanotube> donpdonp: isn't that too many zeros? currently max decimals is 8 iirc
2075 2010-12-06 19:36:00 <Hogofwar> Still no windows binary from svn?
2076 2010-12-06 19:36:08 <donpdonp> nanotube: oh ha. #jokefail
2077 2010-12-06 19:36:16 <nanotube> heh
2078 2010-12-06 19:36:25 <nanotube>  /join #jokefail
2079 2010-12-06 19:36:26 <nanotube> heh
2080 2010-12-06 19:36:29 <ArtForz> yep, 2 zeros too much
2081 2010-12-06 19:36:38 <Lyspooner> difficulty/price = 8000/.2 = 40000ArtF
2082 2010-12-06 19:36:41 <Lyspooner> oops
2083 2010-12-06 19:37:06 <Lyspooner> ArtForz, do you care to wager on if that ratio reaches, say, 10 billion
2084 2010-12-06 19:37:18 <nanotube> Lyspooner: within what time frame?
2085 2010-12-06 19:37:45 <Lyspooner> 40,000 blocks
2086 2010-12-06 19:38:00 <ArtForz> unlikely
2087 2010-12-06 19:38:13 <Lyspooner> yeah, but you said you would still generate near infinity
2088 2010-12-06 19:38:17 <nanotube> heh interesting... seems unlikely - unless bitcoin price collapses to near zero
2089 2010-12-06 19:38:25 <ArtForz> yep, but a lot of other people probably wont
2090 2010-12-06 19:38:59 <Lyspooner> what are the odds we get to that ratio?
2091 2010-12-06 19:39:29 <ArtForz> very slim unless price totally collapses
2092 2010-12-06 19:39:42 <Lyspooner> 100:1? 1000:1?
2093 2010-12-06 19:40:53 * jgarzik thinks his cpuminer, and m0mchil's miner, might consider an update to include option for remote mining pool.  It's silly to create new miners, just for a different style of remote operation.
2094 2010-12-06 19:41:16 <genjix> ;;bc,blocks
2095 2010-12-06 19:41:17 <gribble> 96039
2096 2010-12-06 19:41:36 <xelister> hey jgarzik o/
2097 2010-12-06 19:41:43 <xelister> jgarzik:  are you perahps mining on  5970 too?
2098 2010-12-06 19:41:45 <ArtForz> lets see... avg utility power about $0.1/kWh, 5970 = 625Mhps @ 325W, so roughly 70Th/$
2099 2010-12-06 19:42:02 <jgarzik> xelister: not ATM, no
2100 2010-12-06 19:42:38 <genjix> how do I get added to http://www.bitcoin.org/trade ?
2101 2010-12-06 19:43:21 <ArtForz> diff 8078.2 = about 34.7Th/50BTC
2102 2010-12-06 19:43:22 <jgarzik> genjix: post to thread 'We Accept Bitcoins'
2103 2010-12-06 19:43:23 <[Noodles]> jgarzik : that'd be great, 4way would also improve some CPUs on the pool
2104 2010-12-06 19:43:30 <genjix> ok
2105 2010-12-06 19:43:31 <Lyspooner> if ratio touches that point, the weeks till 40,000 blocks are generated is a number with high variance
2106 2010-12-06 19:43:42 * jgarzik kicks bitcoin.org's forum search engine
2107 2010-12-06 19:43:55 <jgarzik> some guy claimed bitcoin is illegal, in last 24 hours, and I cannot find the post
2108 2010-12-06 19:45:07 <ArtForz> so at current diff a 5970 generates about 100btc/$ ...
2109 2010-12-06 19:45:54 <ArtForz> not counting hardware depreciation and other costs
2110 2010-12-06 19:46:33 <genjix> http://pastecoin.com
2111 2010-12-06 19:46:40 <genjix> my new site
2112 2010-12-06 19:47:01 <donpdonp> genjix: nice.
2113 2010-12-06 19:47:02 <ArtForz> put another way, at $0.1/BTC break even for 5970s @ $0.1/kWh is north of 80k difficulty
2114 2010-12-06 19:47:44 <Lyspooner> 800,000 ratio
2115 2010-12-06 19:48:07 <Lyspooner> thanks
2116 2010-12-06 19:48:51 <ArtForz> we're quite a long way from that, which is probably a good reason why more and more GPUs are coming online
2117 2010-12-06 19:49:45 <Lyspooner> is there any reason to consider ($0.1,80k) and ($0.05,40k) separately?
2118 2010-12-06 19:49:53 <ArtForz> nope
2119 2010-12-06 19:50:02 <Lyspooner> are we really a long way from that?
2120 2010-12-06 19:50:38 <ArtForz> even at current rate of growth well over 3 months
2121 2010-12-06 19:50:50 <jgarzik> genjix: how is this different from ubitious?
2122 2010-12-06 19:51:01 <genjix> what's ubitious
2123 2010-12-06 19:52:40 <jgarzik> genjix: http://ubitio.us/
2124 2010-12-06 19:53:00 <genjix> you dont pay for uploading
2125 2010-12-06 19:53:20 <genjix> and how much is ubitio.us charging anyway?
2126 2010-12-06 19:53:28 <donpdonp> good question
2127 2010-12-06 19:53:39 <donpdonp> genjix: cudos for being upfront about price
2128 2010-12-06 19:53:45 <MT`AwAy> genjix: wasn't it 50% ? XD
2129 2010-12-06 19:55:45 <ArtForz> btw, we're finally averaging close to 100Gh/s total
2130 2010-12-06 19:56:17 <Lyspooner> what's after Gh/s?
2131 2010-12-06 19:56:25 <ArtForz> Th/s ?
2132 2010-12-06 19:56:38 <Lyspooner> what's after Th/s?
2133 2010-12-06 19:56:39 <donpdonp> same thing thats after a gigabyte. terahash, petahash
2134 2010-12-06 19:56:43 <ArtForz> yep
2135 2010-12-06 19:56:53 <ArtForz> terahash, petahash, exahash
2136 2010-12-06 19:57:04 <donpdonp> Lyspooner: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI_prefix
2137 2010-12-06 19:58:05 <Lyspooner> The total power output of the sun is approximately 383 YottaWatts
2138 2010-12-06 19:58:18 <Lyspooner> nice
2139 2010-12-06 19:59:19 <ArtForz> so currently you'd need about 6000 hexcore Opterons to take over the network
2140 2010-12-06 19:59:20 <donpdonp> thats a Lottawatts. :)
2141 2010-12-06 19:59:37 <Lyspooner> ;;instantrimshot
2142 2010-12-06 19:59:38 <gribble> Error: "instantrimshot" is not a valid command.
2143 2010-12-06 20:00:10 <Lyspooner> how much do those Opterons cost
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2145 2010-12-06 20:00:59 <ArtForz> dunno
2146 2010-12-06 20:01:32 <ArtForz> but it's still in "small supercomputer" territory
2147 2010-12-06 20:01:58 <davux>  there's something I don't understand there: http://blockexplorer.com/b/96040
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2149 2010-12-06 20:02:18 <davux> some transactions are split into 2 recipients
2150 2010-12-06 20:02:24 <davux> how is that possible?
2151 2010-12-06 20:02:49 <jgarzik> davux: a transaction can have any number of in's and out's
2152 2010-12-06 20:03:00 <ArtForz> not really any number
2153 2010-12-06 20:03:16 <jgarzik> davux: most TX's have two recipients:  sendtoaddress recipient and yourself (change)
2154 2010-12-06 20:03:18 <davux> what client is used for doing that?
2155 2010-12-06 20:03:28 <ArtForz> >= 1 ins, 1 or 2 outs
2156 2010-12-06 20:03:31 <davux> jgarzik: i don't understand
2157 2010-12-06 20:04:38 <jgarzik> davux: I send you 100 bitcoins.  Analagously, it arrives as a single 100-bitcoin unit.  If you send me 1 BTC, bitcoin will create a TX:  in { 100 }, out { 1, 99 }.  The "99" is change, sent back to yourself.
2158 2010-12-06 20:05:23 <jgarzik> davux: if there is a TX fee of 0.02, the TX will look like:  in { 100 }, out { 1, 98.98 }
2159 2010-12-06 20:05:50 <kabo69> has anybody gotten bitcoin-pooled to run on debian?
2160 2010-12-06 20:06:09 <davux> i must be very stupid because i still don't get it
2161 2010-12-06 20:06:20 <andrew12> hih
2162 2010-12-06 20:06:23 <andrew12> hihi*
2163 2010-12-06 20:06:24 <jgarzik> davux: If (1) I send you 50 bitcoins, then (2) do so again later, then (3) you send me 100 bitcoins, the TX will look like:  in { 50, 50 }, out { 100 }
2164 2010-12-06 20:07:21 <davux> in and out from which point of view?
2165 2010-12-06 20:07:27 <jgarzik> davux: bitcoins are stored as multiple-bitcoin units.  there is not a single "bitcoin balance" in your wallet.  Your wallet.dat contains many multi-bitcoin units.
2166 2010-12-06 20:07:35 <jgarzik> davux: PoV of TX creator
2167 2010-12-06 20:09:40 <davux> on the page at blockexplorer.com, there are 3 addresses involved: one as from, 2 as to
2168 2010-12-06 20:09:55 <jgarzik> davux: each transaction is different
2169 2010-12-06 20:10:25 <jgarzik> davux: there can by many inputs.  __usually__ there is only 1 or 2 outputs (intended BTC recipient, and possibly, change sent back to yourself)
2170 2010-12-06 20:10:51 <jgarzik> ArtForz: what filters out >2 outs?
2171 2010-12-06 20:11:07 <jgarzik> ArtForz: I thought satoshi wanted to support that, for escrow and multi-party TX's
2172 2010-12-06 20:11:14 <davux> i feel totally lost
2173 2010-12-06 20:11:35 <ArtForz> something in tx verification I think
2174 2010-12-06 20:12:24 <genjix> MT`AwAy: how do you feel about a bitcoin money laundering service on your hosting?
2175 2010-12-06 20:13:03 <jgarzik> davux: when someone sends to 100 BTC, your wallet.dat records an entry "100 BTC, signed by key 1234".  if someone sends you an additional 50 BTC, you now have two entries in your wallet:  (1) 100 BTC, key 1234 (2) 50 BTC, key 4567.
2176 2010-12-06 20:13:25 <genjix> person deposits to said site. site scrambles redeposits to other account among laundering for other people over a week for random amounts.
2177 2010-12-06 20:13:38 <jgarzik> davux: with me so far?
2178 2010-12-06 20:13:58 <davux> jgarzik: absolutely
2179 2010-12-06 20:14:42 <andrew12> yay running the remote miner
2180 2010-12-06 20:14:47 <andrew12> yay mining pool
2181 2010-12-06 20:15:54 <jgarzik> davux: now, you want to send jgarzik 5 BTC.  your wallet contains two entries, (1) 100 BTC and (2) 50 BTC.  To send 5 BTC, you must choose #1 or #2, and split it into two pieces:  (1) 5 BTC, and 95 BTC, or (2) 5 BTC and 45 BTC.
2182 2010-12-06 20:16:06 <ArtForz> hmmm... yeah, looks like theres no limit on vin/vout counts
2183 2010-12-06 20:17:47 <jgarzik> davux: each bitcoin unit (100 BTC, or 50 BTC) is cryptographically signed, and cannot be modified.  Therefore, when sending 5 BTC to jgarzik, you must create a NEW cryptographically signed bitcoin-unit to store in your wallet.dat.
2184 2010-12-06 20:18:18 <davux> ok, so i can't spend bitcoins with different signatures together
2185 2010-12-06 20:18:53 <Hogofwar> if only someone would compile the svn for windows for me or 0.3.18 gets released
2186 2010-12-06 20:18:58 <jgarzik> davux: nope, you can.  If you send jgarzik 150 BTC, bitcoin will combine #1 and #2 into a single spend.
2187 2010-12-06 20:19:17 <jgarzik> davux: all the bitcoin-units in your wallet are accessible via cryptographic keys that _you_ hold.
2188 2010-12-06 20:20:17 <jgarzik> davux: bitcoin looks at your wallet.dat, and asks itself "which of these bitcoin-units may be used to satisfy the request to spend XXX BTC?"
2189 2010-12-06 20:20:23 <Lyspooner> if i have 2 bitcoins and i want to send 1, can I choose which bitcoin to send?  does this question even make sense?
2190 2010-12-06 20:20:55 <davux> jgarzik: so back to your example of (1) 5 BTC, and 95 BTC, or (2) 5 BTC and 45 BTC... what happens?
2191 2010-12-06 20:21:01 <jgarzik> Lyspooner: it makes sense.  current bitcoin chooses automatically.  you would have to modify the software, to make a manual selection.
2192 2010-12-06 20:21:14 <Hogofwar> The software always trys to use the oldest bitcoins
2193 2010-12-06 20:21:18 <jgarzik> davux: what happens with what, specifically?  :)
2194 2010-12-06 20:21:43 <davux> jgarzik: in terms of splitting a single transaction into several recipients/senders/
2195 2010-12-06 20:23:07 <jgarzik> davux: there is always only one sender -- you (your wallet.dat).  there are either one or two recipients.  If your wallet.dat contains one 100-BTC unit, and you send 100 BTC, then the TX is:  in { 100 }, out { 100 }.  one recipient.
2196 2010-12-06 20:23:40 <Lyspooner> can one identify a bitcoin as being the first bitcoin ever generated?
2197 2010-12-06 20:23:44 <jgarzik> davux: if your wallet.dat contains one 100-BTC unit, and you send 5 BTC to jgarzik, then there are two recipients:  yourself (95 BTC), and jgarzik (5 BTC)
2198 2010-12-06 20:24:03 <jgarzik> Insti: { 100 } , out { 5, 95 }
2199 2010-12-06 20:24:12 * jgarzik frowns at xchat auto-complete
2200 2010-12-06 20:24:15 <jgarzik> s/Insti//
2201 2010-12-06 20:24:26 <jgarzik>  in: { 100 } , out { 5, 95 }
2202 2010-12-06 20:26:22 <Insti> sending me 100btc is fine
2203 2010-12-06 20:26:26 <jgarzik> :)
2204 2010-12-06 20:26:51 <Insti> although not so good if I need to contribute them
2205 2010-12-06 20:27:08 * Insti goes back to lurking
2206 2010-12-06 20:27:22 <davux> jgarzik: why myself? does a unit always have to be spent as a whole?
2207 2010-12-06 20:28:21 <jgarzik> davux: correct.  you cannot _change_ a unit in your wallet.dat, because it is cryptographically signed.  it _must_ be replaced.
2208 2010-12-06 20:28:41 <jgarzik> davux: one cannot say "update that unit to only have 95 BTC in it"
2209 2010-12-06 20:29:27 <jgarzik> davux: when you spend, you throw away the previous unit.  if there is change, you must build a new unit.
2210 2010-12-06 20:29:54 <davux> ok, that's why you send the leftover from the old unit to the new one
2211 2010-12-06 20:30:00 <[Noodles]> it's like paying for coffee with a $100 bill, the bill is gone, you want some change anyway, don't ya?
2212 2010-12-06 20:30:05 <davux> but why to a different address?
2213 2010-12-06 20:30:34 <jgarzik> davux: excellent question :)  I think you've got.  why new address?  it doesn't have to be; that's just the way bitcoin works right now.
2214 2010-12-06 20:30:34 <davux> [Noodles]: i like this metaphor
2215 2010-12-06 20:30:53 <jgarzik> I think you've got it.
2216 2010-12-06 20:31:51 <davux> jgarzik: so what happened in http://blockexplorer.com/t/7cfxBsttVk for example?
2217 2010-12-06 20:32:51 <jgarzik> davux: that person sent 10 BTC to someone, and stored 40 BTC in their wallet.dat as change.
2218 2010-12-06 20:33:17 <davux> i see
2219 2010-12-06 20:33:24 <jgarzik> davux: or, that person sent 40 BTC to someone, and stored 10 BTC in their wallet.dat as change.
2220 2010-12-06 20:33:28 <davux> i really like the change metaphor
2221 2010-12-06 20:33:30 <jgarzik> you don't know which is which :)
2222 2010-12-06 20:33:37 <davux> ok
2223 2010-12-06 20:33:58 <davux> so what's the "Not yet redeemed" thing anyway?
2224 2010-12-06 20:34:14 <Hogofwar> not yet matured?
2225 2010-12-06 20:34:15 <MT`AwAy> not yet sent to another addr
2226 2010-12-06 20:34:20 <jgarzik> davux: that 40 BTC has not yet been used in another transaction.
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2228 2010-12-06 20:34:48 <davux> oh ok, but that doesn't mean anything
2229 2010-12-06 20:35:15 <MT`AwAy> just makes tracking easier
2230 2010-12-06 20:35:34 <jgarzik> and, if a TX has been spent, you don't need that TX in your local database anymore.
2231 2010-12-06 20:35:44 <Hogofwar> What's currently the best gpu for genearting bitcoins?
2232 2010-12-06 20:35:54 <Hogofwar> like 50btc a day greatness
2233 2010-12-06 20:35:58 <jgarzik> Hogofwar: whatever is the best ATI HD on the market at the moment
2234 2010-12-06 20:36:12 <davux> does the bitcoin client include those "change" operations in the "received by address" output?
2235 2010-12-06 20:36:19 <jgarzik> davux: no
2236 2010-12-06 20:36:30 <Hogofwar> I really need a job
2237 2010-12-06 20:36:40 <jgarzik> davux: that would be confusing for most users, probably
2238 2010-12-06 20:37:08 <jgarzik> davux: most users don't care about TX details, they just want to know "I sent 5 BTC, and still have 95 BTC in my wallet for future spending"
2239 2010-12-06 20:37:08 <Hogofwar> We need to keep everything simple on the front end
2240 2010-12-06 20:37:14 <davux> so if you spend your BTC 50 "bill" from address A and get the change to address B, this income won't be listed in B's received bitcoins?
2241 2010-12-06 20:37:59 <Hogofwar> There should be an optional "extra movement" option
2242 2010-12-06 20:38:11 <jgarzik> davux: your balance remains correct.  the UI simply hides those transaction from you.
2243 2010-12-06 20:38:28 <davux> jgarzik: great
2244 2010-12-06 20:38:30 <Hogofwar> Which sends bitcoins to other users with the option on and mixes those bitcoins with theirs and sends it on to the original destination
2245 2010-12-06 20:38:51 <Hogofwar> It can go through however many nodes it needs to to mix it up more to a certain level
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2247 2010-12-06 20:40:04 <jgarzik> davux: here's a fun one.  if you send me 1 BTC, ten times, and then I send you 10 BTC, my transaction to you would look like:  in { 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 }, out { 10 }
2248 2010-12-06 20:41:48 <jgarzik> davux: transaction fees are also fun.  they are _implicit_, when 'in' is greater than 'out'.  Here's a simple test math problem for you:  What is the transaction fee for the following transaction:  in { 10 }, out { 9 }
2249 2010-12-06 20:42:18 <davux> 1 BTC?
2250 2010-12-06 20:42:27 <Zarutian> we have a winner!
2251 2010-12-06 20:42:33 <davux> :p
2252 2010-12-06 20:42:34 * Zarutian couldnt resist
2253 2010-12-06 20:42:44 <genjix> we have a weiner
2254 2010-12-06 20:42:47 * davux waits for the trap
2255 2010-12-06 20:42:59 <jgarzik> davux: no trap.  you're right :)
2256 2010-12-06 20:43:14 <genjix> biggest letdown ever
2257 2010-12-06 20:43:20 <jgarzik> bonus question:  who gets the TX fee of 1 BTC?
2258 2010-12-06 20:43:34 <davux> the client that solves the block
2259 2010-12-06 20:43:38 <jgarzik> yep
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2263 2010-12-06 20:44:02 <Zarutian> ; population
2264 2010-12-06 20:45:46 * davux sent 200 testcoins to the faucet using bitcoIM
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2266 2010-12-06 20:46:33 <andrew12> why does the remote miner need berkeleydb installed to compile?
2267 2010-12-06 20:48:07 <Hogofwar> cause it dies
2268 2010-12-06 20:48:10 <Hogofwar> >_>
2269 2010-12-06 20:48:12 <Hogofwar> does
2270 2010-12-06 20:48:47 <Diablo-D3> andrew12: bitcoin itself does
2271 2010-12-06 20:49:11 <Lyspooner> how many blocks have been generated with more than 50 bitcoins?  is there a way to find out quickly?
2272 2010-12-06 20:49:31 <jgarzik> Lyspooner: the only blocks >50 BTC are the ones with TX fees
2273 2010-12-06 20:49:46 <Lyspooner> ok...
2274 2010-12-06 20:49:51 <jgarzik> unless you count spends, of course.  but I am assuming you mean generation transactions.
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2276 2010-12-06 20:50:06 <Lyspooner> yes
2277 2010-12-06 20:51:04 <bkukowski> whats the current block count?  i forgot the bot command
2278 2010-12-06 20:51:14 <bkukowski> and current difficulty
2279 2010-12-06 20:51:18 <Lyspooner> ;;bc,stats
2280 2010-12-06 20:51:21 <gribble> Current Blocks: 96046 | Current Difficulty: 8078.19525793 | Next Difficulty At Block: 96767 | Next Difficulty In: 721 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 10 hours, 26 minutes, and 37 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11774.43493756
2281 2010-12-06 20:52:52 <andrew12> I'm only asking because I can't get my computer to compile berkeley db properly
2282 2010-12-06 20:54:08 <bkukowski> did anyone ever manage to get hashing offloaded to an fpga?
2283 2010-12-06 20:54:31 <ArtForz> yes
2284 2010-12-06 20:54:50 <davux> omg with such a hight difficulty there's not point in mining anymore, is there?
2285 2010-12-06 20:54:57 <davux> s/hight/high/
2286 2010-12-06 20:55:16 <davux> at least not with my thinkpad x31 :D
2287 2010-12-06 20:55:39 <MacRohard> yea.. not really. especially if it degrades your user experience
2288 2010-12-06 20:55:44 <bkukowski> how many hashes/sec could the fpga do?
2289 2010-12-06 20:55:50 <MacRohard> though it's pretty well behaved really
2290 2010-12-06 20:56:00 <ArtForz> not much
2291 2010-12-06 20:56:48 <bkukowski> oh.
2292 2010-12-06 20:57:27 <bkukowski> what's the top hashes/sec for the cuda client?  I havent looked at bitcoin for a while. my client is currently downloading from having 73k blocks
2293 2010-12-06 20:57:49 <ArtForz> 4Mh/s on a XC3S500E
2294 2010-12-06 20:58:19 <bkukowski> are there binaries released for this client?
2295 2010-12-06 20:58:35 <bkukowski> i saw the source in the channel topic
2296 2010-12-06 20:58:57 <ArtForz> I dont think many people bother withe cuda client
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2298 2010-12-06 20:59:38 <bkukowski> why not?  is there a better opencl one?
2299 2010-12-06 20:59:59 <ArtForz> probably because nvidia are slow and power hungry for hashing
2300 2010-12-06 21:00:11 <ArtForz> a GTX295 gets < 90Mh/s, GTX580 <120, a HD5770 gets >150, a HD5970 >530
2301 2010-12-06 21:01:01 <bkukowski> has anyone released the opencl client then?  i'm still geting 1k/sec on a c2 duo
2302 2010-12-06 21:01:06 <bkukowski> :-(
2303 2010-12-06 21:01:15 <ArtForz> theres at least 2 opencl clients
2304 2010-12-06 21:01:20 <finnomenon> ;;bc,calc 530000
2305 2010-12-06 21:01:21 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 530000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 18 hours, 11 minutes, and 3 seconds
2306 2010-12-06 21:01:28 <bkukowski> what do you use?
2307 2010-12-06 21:01:29 <ArtForz> m0mchils python one and Diablo-D3s java
2308 2010-12-06 21:01:38 <ArtForz> I use my own custom openCL miner
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2312 2010-12-06 21:05:18 <midnightmagic> I have a 6-core AMD 1090T, and a 4-way Radeon HD 5870; I am using bitcoind from the command-line, and the "opencl miner for the masses" poclbm.py. If I tell bitcoind setgenerate false, will the miners' activity still mint coins for me? total hash rate for the machine is about 300M/sec. watt usage is 0.5kW.
2313 2010-12-06 21:05:35 <ArtForz> it should
2314 2010-12-06 21:05:52 <ArtForz> afair getwork ignores setgenerate
2315 2010-12-06 21:06:21 <Zarutian> ;;bc,blocks
2316 2010-12-06 21:06:21 <gribble> 96047
2317 2010-12-06 21:06:38 <midnightmagic> the .py are still reporting a large hash/sec rate..  i just wanted to make sure they aren't wasting their time.
2318 2010-12-06 21:06:56 <ArtForz> yeah, setgenerate false should be ok
2319 2010-12-06 21:07:00 <midnightmagic> total theoretical peak performance of this machine is 1/2 of #500 on the top500 supercomputer list, but.. it would suck if it were going to waste. :-)
2320 2010-12-06 21:07:19 <ArtForz> but 0.5kW for 4*5870 sounds a bit low
2321 2010-12-06 21:07:43 <midnightmagic> they're not at peak usage at the moment: i have cooling issues, so they self-throttle.
2322 2010-12-06 21:07:50 <ArtForz> ahhh, yeah
2323 2010-12-06 21:07:52 <midnightmagic> (speaking with the vendor now)
2324 2010-12-06 21:07:53 <ArtForz> because my 4*5770 box is around that
2325 2010-12-06 21:08:10 <midnightmagic> 5770 is low-power by comparison, too..
2326 2010-12-06 21:08:14 <ArtForz> yep
2327 2010-12-06 21:08:16 <midnightmagic> super efficient.
2328 2010-12-06 21:08:25 <ArtForz> not really
2329 2010-12-06 21:08:28 <ArtForz> most efficient is 5970
2330 2010-12-06 21:08:39 <midnightmagic> no? ah, the dual.
2331 2010-12-06 21:08:45 <midnightmagic> of course..
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2333 2010-12-06 21:09:15 <ArtForz> 4*5970 is about 1.3kW at the plug
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2335 2010-12-06 21:09:24 <midnightmagic> part of the reason I am asking about it, is that getinfo does not appear to be updated based on the minders.
2336 2010-12-06 21:09:35 <midnightmagic> what is the power supply?!  I have an AX1200W from Corsair.
2337 2010-12-06 21:10:06 <ArtForz> 2* LC-Power Legion X2 1kW
2338 2010-12-06 21:10:30 <midnightmagic> it's good, but I have to 2 * molex-> 1 x 6-pin PCI-e to power the 4th card.
2339 2010-12-06 21:11:03 <midnightmagic> well.. now I'm curious what motherboard, because the one I have is barely able to fit all 4 5870.
2340 2010-12-06 21:11:07 <ArtForz> a bit overkill now, but I used to run the 5970s at 5870 voltage -> 1.7kW per box
2341 2010-12-06 21:11:11 <bencoder> ;;bc,calc 150000
2342 2010-12-06 21:11:12 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 150000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 2 days, 16 hours, 15 minutes, and 3 seconds
2343 2010-12-06 21:13:21 <ArtForz> I had to "cheat" to solve the cooling problems
2344 2010-12-06 21:14:10 <ArtForz> prototype quad 5970: http://bayimg.com/KAAeaaAdp
2345 2010-12-06 21:15:03 <midnightmagic> hrm..   yeah I'm dreading possibly having to manually remove the cooling fans and install something water-based..
2346 2010-12-06 21:15:27 <ArtForz> used 6" PCIe extenders to raise cards #2 and #4
2347 2010-12-06 21:15:32 <midnightmagic> how the hell did you get them upraised like that? do pci-E risers exist?
2348 2010-12-06 21:15:34 <midnightmagic> wow!
2349 2010-12-06 21:15:54 <midnightmagic> that's really cool!
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2351 2010-12-06 21:16:19 <midnightmagic> pun unintended, but still funny!
2352 2010-12-06 21:18:14 <Lyspooner> your other shit's not plugged in in the photo
2353 2010-12-06 21:18:25 <Lyspooner> khash/sec = 0 :(
2354 2010-12-06 21:18:32 <ArtForz> it was a quick test to see if the backplate design was ok
2355 2010-12-06 21:19:08 <ArtForz> sec
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2357 2010-12-06 21:21:20 <finnomenon> Balance: 0.15    freebitcoins :)
2358 2010-12-06 21:22:48 <ArtForz> http://bayimg.com/eABDfaAdd
2359 2010-12-06 21:24:03 <bencoder> oh wow
2360 2010-12-06 21:25:26 <nelisky> ArtForz: That is freakin' AWESOME!
2361 2010-12-06 21:25:45 <nelisky> takes the hardware customization to a whole new level :)
2362 2010-12-06 21:25:51 <nelisky> major kudos to you
2363 2010-12-06 21:27:10 <bencoder> ;;bc,calc 10000000
2364 2010-12-06 21:27:11 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 10000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 57 minutes and 49 seconds
2365 2010-12-06 21:27:24 <bencoder> yeah.. nice
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2368 2010-12-06 21:28:25 <ArtForz> that stack is about 5'6
2369 2010-12-06 21:28:54 <Lyspooner> 36-36-36
2370 2010-12-06 21:29:04 <Lyspooner> hot
2371 2010-12-06 21:29:28 <Lyspooner> loves cooking and hash
2372 2010-12-06 21:29:33 <ArtForz> each box is doing 2.5Gh/s (stock voltage, slightly OCed)
2373 2010-12-06 21:29:58 <bencoder> awesome
2374 2010-12-06 21:30:20 <ArtForz> I since replaced the top PSU in them
2375 2010-12-06 21:31:02 <ArtForz> those blue led fan units were super flower 1kW 80+ bronze
2376 2010-12-06 21:31:47 <ArtForz> replaced with LC-Power Legion X2 1kW 80+ gold (== bottom PSUs)
2377 2010-12-06 21:31:58 <midnightmagic> ArtForz: I was just looking at the economics of building a stack of boxes like that. In my calculations here, based on power consumption, it would take about 3 years to "make" back the cost, plus the power. are you depending on speculators to make back your investment? (or are you just screwing around because you can? :-)
2378 2010-12-06 21:32:01 <bencoder> oh right
2379 2010-12-06 21:32:17 <bencoder> midnightmagic: what? 2 months maybe, if difficulty goes up a bit
2380 2010-12-06 21:32:27 <midnightmagic> gah..  really?!
2381 2010-12-06 21:32:34 <ArtForz> I get "free" power in winter
2382 2010-12-06 21:32:53 <midnightmagic> i'm curious now.. :)
2383 2010-12-06 21:32:59 <midnightmagic> ah, heatinhg.
2384 2010-12-06 21:33:04 <ArtForz> yep
2385 2010-12-06 21:33:12 <bencoder> say one block an hour... that's $10/hr at the low end... $7200 /month
2386 2010-12-06 21:33:56 <midnightmagic> i've been running 300Mhash/sec for ..  about three days now, and no coins minted yet. at least, not dropping into the balance from getinfo.
2387 2010-12-06 21:34:10 <ArtForz> I have a micro-cogeneration plant
2388 2010-12-06 21:34:24 <mtgox> anyone here use SOAP with PHP?
2389 2010-12-06 21:34:50 <bencoder> painfully, to access the betfair api, but that was a while back, don't like SOAP
2390 2010-12-06 21:34:50 <ArtForz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroCHP
2391 2010-12-06 21:36:48 <bencoder> interesting, ArtForz
2392 2010-12-06 21:42:31 <ArtForz> the basic setup is kinda simple, diesel genset with exhaust and coolant heat exchangers heating a 2000L storage tank to 70°C
2393 2010-12-06 21:43:25 <ArtForz> if the electric load on the generator (and thus the heat output of the engine) is too low, 3 2.5kW immersion heaters load the generator and also heat the storage tank
2394 2010-12-06 21:46:55 <ArtForz> from main storage tank heat is transferred to 500L potable hot water tank and space heating water loops
2395 2010-12-06 21:47:37 <Lyspooner> do you take a bath in bitcoin-heated water?
2396 2010-12-06 21:48:01 <ArtForz> indirectly, yep
2397 2010-12-06 21:48:53 <ArtForz> with all miners online the immersion heaters pretty much dont kick in at all
2398 2010-12-06 21:50:52 <Lyspooner> you take baths?
2399 2010-12-06 21:51:33 <ArtForz> yup
2400 2010-12-06 21:52:01 <Lyspooner> :(
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2402 2010-12-06 21:57:15 <Hogofwar> How many bitcoins is £5.24?
2403 2010-12-06 21:57:25 <Hogofwar> GBP of course
2404 2010-12-06 22:00:43 <roberthl> about 1.7
2405 2010-12-06 22:00:54 <Hogofwar> 1.7 bitcoins per pound?
2406 2010-12-06 22:01:02 <bencoder> about $8 so, if you could get that in mtgox then about 32bitcoins
2407 2010-12-06 22:01:10 <roberthl> oops, wrong way round - sorry
2408 2010-12-06 22:02:00 <Hogofwar> kay
2409 2010-12-06 22:02:15 <Lyspooner> i can give you 32 bitcoins for £5.24 tomorrow Hogofwar, you know where to meet me
2410 2010-12-06 22:02:25 <tcatm> gavinandresen: ping?
2411 2010-12-06 22:02:40 <Hogofwar> Not again lyspooner, i really can't
2412 2010-12-06 22:02:58 <[Noodles]> next comic after Satoshi Superhero? DAgobertForz bathing in bitcoins ^.^
2413 2010-12-06 22:02:58 <Hogofwar> I meant £5.75 damn anayway
2414 2010-12-06 22:04:53 <Hogofwar> What's the exchange rate for $9.02
2415 2010-12-06 22:05:04 <Hogofwar> (£5.74)
2416 2010-12-06 22:06:21 <bencoder> same as the exchange rate for any other value :P whatever someone will give you
2417 2010-12-06 22:07:09 <Lyspooner> ;;bc,mtgox
2418 2010-12-06 22:07:10 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.225,"low":0.1841,"vol":6946,"buy":0.1938,"sell":0.204,"last":0.204}}
2419 2010-12-06 22:07:35 <Lyspooner> ;;math 0.204*9.02
2420 2010-12-06 22:07:35 <gribble> Error: The "Math" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "0.204*9.02" in it.  Try "list Math" to see the commands in the "Math" plugin.
2421 2010-12-06 22:07:44 <Lyspooner> someone do that
2422 2010-12-06 22:07:47 <bencoder> that wouldn't work Lyspooner
2423 2010-12-06 22:07:56 <bencoder> it'd be 9.02/0.204
2424 2010-12-06 22:08:09 <Lyspooner> math 9.02/0.204
2425 2010-12-06 22:08:12 <bencoder> or 44.21
2426 2010-12-06 22:08:18 <Lyspooner> what's the bot command
2427 2010-12-06 22:08:27 <bencoder> ;;list Math
2428 2010-12-06 22:08:28 <gribble> base, calc, convert, icalc, rpn, and units
2429 2010-12-06 22:08:37 <bencoder> ;;math calc 9.02/0.204
2430 2010-12-06 22:08:38 <gribble> 44.2156862745
2431 2010-12-06 22:08:49 <Lyspooner> thanks bencoder
2432 2010-12-06 22:09:03 <Hogofwar> 44.22 bitcoins?
2433 2010-12-06 22:09:06 <Hogofwar> hmmm
2434 2010-12-06 22:09:14 <gavinandresen> tcatm: I'm here now
2435 2010-12-06 22:09:14 <bencoder> that's at mtgox rates
2436 2010-12-06 22:09:18 <Hogofwar> i need to somehow get those bitcoins then
2437 2010-12-06 22:09:26 <Hogofwar> (without using cash)
2438 2010-12-06 22:09:28 <tcatm> gavinandresen: Can you fix the copyright notice in sha256.cpp?
2439 2010-12-06 22:09:33 <bencoder> what format is your 5.75 in?
2440 2010-12-06 22:09:36 <bencoder> 5.74
2441 2010-12-06 22:09:45 <gavinandresen> tcatm: what's wrong with it?
2442 2010-12-06 22:09:59 <tcatm> Satoshi didn't write the code. I wrote it :)
2443 2010-12-06 22:10:08 <Lyspooner> ;;google convert 5.74 GBP to USD
2444 2010-12-06 22:10:09 <gribble> Convert British Pound Sterling to Qatari Riyal | GBP to QAR ...: <http://themoneyconverter.com/GBP/QAR.aspx>; Convert Philippine Peso to Canadian Dollar | PHP to CAD Currency ...: <http://themoneyconverter.com/PHP/CAD.aspx>; Amundi Funds Arbitrage Var 2 (Gbp) - Sg: <http://www.amundi-funds.com/priv/product/?isin=LU0210819149&doc=FP>
2445 2010-12-06 22:10:33 <Lyspooner> would you like that in Qatari Riyal?
2446 2010-12-06 22:11:15 <gavinandresen> tcatm: So it should be copyright... who?
2447 2010-12-06 22:11:44 <Hogofwar> wut
2448 2010-12-06 22:11:53 <Hogofwar> Just happened?
2449 2010-12-06 22:12:19 <bencoder> Hogofwar: how is your £5.74 going to be made available to somebody else?
2450 2010-12-06 22:12:58 <Hogofwar> Well i need it to pay a debt to paypal
2451 2010-12-06 22:13:02 <Hogofwar> >_>
2452 2010-12-06 22:13:08 <bencoder> oh lol
2453 2010-12-06 22:14:47 <Hogofwar> grr
2454 2010-12-06 22:19:04 <Hogofwar> I need a way to earn bitcoins
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2456 2010-12-06 22:21:05 <Zarutian> Hogofwar: what are you good at?
2457 2010-12-06 22:24:00 <Hogofwar> PHP, a bit of java.
2458 2010-12-06 22:25:42 <Hogofwar> Pretty much it, Zarutian
2459 2010-12-06 22:26:53 <[Noodles]> try offer scripting on the forums, idev for example was looking for someone doing some php-stuff
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2462 2010-12-06 22:28:08 <Hogofwar> I'm pretty slow at it and have little to no time in the next 3 weeks
2463 2010-12-06 22:28:16 <Hogofwar> well next 2 weeks
2464 2010-12-06 22:28:32 davex__ has joined
2465 2010-12-06 22:30:48 <davex__> the bidders are fleeing, it seems.
2466 2010-12-06 22:31:45 <[Noodles]> if you'r a 3d-, or texture-artist, you could create some secondlife-content (so called sculpties using blender, clothes done in photoshop) to sell inworld, i would gladly exchange your L$ to bitcoins (and might even buy your stuff), there's lots of options to earn (bitcoins or any other "money")
2467 2010-12-06 22:32:15 <xelister> Hogofwar: if you are nice sexy chick there are many options >_>
2468 2010-12-06 22:33:02 <Hogofwar> Hmm
2469 2010-12-06 22:33:10 <Hogofwar> i Might try a nice and simple webapp
2470 2010-12-06 22:33:23 altamic has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2471 2010-12-06 22:33:32 <Hogofwar> And xelister, really? The internet is getting crappier and crappier
2472 2010-12-06 22:34:09 <[Noodles]> i guess there's some gay-sites wher u can sell yourself on webcam too ^.^
2473 2010-12-06 22:34:16 <xelister> Hogofwar: erm.. realy >_>
2474 2010-12-06 22:34:23 <xelister> ok, really - when I have free funds lol
2475 2010-12-06 22:34:41 <xelister> [Noodles]: gay is so gay
2476 2010-12-06 22:35:08 <Hogofwar> >_>
2477 2010-12-06 22:35:14 <[Noodles]> are you sure about that?
2478 2010-12-06 22:35:20 <xelister> gay is for fags
2479 2010-12-06 22:35:25 * xelister calls in cpt. obvious
2480 2010-12-06 22:35:30 <Hogofwar> I am officialy out of this conversation
2481 2010-12-06 22:35:43 <xelister> heh we driven poor Hogofwar out of here ;)
2482 2010-12-06 22:36:00 <Hogofwar> >_>
2483 2010-12-06 22:36:03 <Hogofwar> <_<
2484 2010-12-06 22:36:06 <Hogofwar> Can i come back?
2485 2010-12-06 22:36:31 <[Noodles]> will cost ya 1btc
2486 2010-12-06 22:37:35 <Hogofwar> But i want to earn BTC!
2487 2010-12-06 22:38:06 <xelister> well you better starting looking for sister
2488 2010-12-06 22:38:33 <xelister> or ask parents to get on it.. but I have no idea about BTC exchange rate in ~18 years ;)
2489 2010-12-06 22:39:31 <ArtForz> muahaha, I RULE
2490 2010-12-06 22:39:54 <ArtForz> one of the cards on PCIe extender synced at PCIe 2.0 speeds but would randomly go AWOL about once a day
2491 2010-12-06 22:40:45 <ArtForz> "simple" fix: force PCIe 1.0 speeds
2492 2010-12-06 22:40:51 davux has joined
2493 2010-12-06 22:41:00 <tcatm> Sounds like forcing 1.0 speeds isn't so simple? :)
2494 2010-12-06 22:41:08 <ArtForz> setpci -s 0e:00.0 CAP_EXP+30.b=01:03; setpci -s 00:0c.0 CAP_EXP+30.b=01:03; setpci -s 00:0c.0 CAP_EXP+10.b=20:20
2495 2010-12-06 22:41:08 <Hogofwar> SO it is slower>
2496 2010-12-06 22:41:27 <ArtForz> not really
2497 2010-12-06 22:41:38 <davux> it's frustrating, i managed to generate a block... on the testnet
2498 2010-12-06 22:42:08 <Hogofwar> testnet is like 5 while realnet is 1018
2499 2010-12-06 22:42:26 <davux> it's 10.66
2500 2010-12-06 22:42:32 <davux> but yeah
2501 2010-12-06 22:42:33 <Hogofwar> still
2502 2010-12-06 22:42:38 <tcatm> Which is not too bad. I use the testnet from sometimes and there is too little hashing power :)
2503 2010-12-06 22:44:03 <davux> i don't know why http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/tx/45a9257ebf89e97dfb885d60b6a17ef2d3a5fbbaaad04f4fadab41b6a693a678 says "no such transaction" though
2504 2010-12-06 22:44:05 <ArtForz> PCIe 2.0 x8 308268kh/s; PCIe 1.0 x8 308256kh/s
2505 2010-12-06 22:44:23 <Hogofwar> soooooooooooooooo
2506 2010-12-06 22:44:33 <Hogofwar> ANyone want to pay me to do something in PHP?
2507 2010-12-06 22:44:38 <Hogofwar> :D
2508 2010-12-06 22:44:45 <ArtForz> so... a 0.004% drop
2509 2010-12-06 22:45:05 <tcatm> Hogofwar: Can you programm other languages, too?
2510 2010-12-06 22:45:07 <ArtForz> I think I can live with that
2511 2010-12-06 22:45:53 <xelister> Hogofwar: linux?
2512 2010-12-06 22:46:01 <Hogofwar> Windows
2513 2010-12-06 22:46:09 <Hogofwar> I can do a bit of java
2514 2010-12-06 22:46:25 <Hogofwar> Attempted to get bitcoin connected to that, but failed but want to try again
2515 2010-12-06 22:46:28 * davux accepts jobs paid in bitcoins - http://da.weeno.net/cv/en/
2516 2010-12-06 22:46:37 <Hogofwar> >_<
2517 2010-12-06 22:46:41 <tcatm> Hogofwar: Can you write a JSON-RPC client class that supports Authentication and SSL?
2518 2010-12-06 22:48:02 <Hogofwar> no
2519 2010-12-06 22:48:03 <xelister> tcatm: btw, I can (but not cheap)
2520 2010-12-06 22:48:06 <Hogofwar> in java you mean?
2521 2010-12-06 22:48:15 <Hogofwar> Or PHP?
2522 2010-12-06 22:48:20 <tcatm> Hogofwar: java
2523 2010-12-06 22:48:30 <tcatm> xelister: how much?
2524 2010-12-06 22:48:36 <Hogofwar> SOrry, can't do not experienced enough to even attemot
2525 2010-12-06 22:49:37 <ArtForz> still trying to figure out how to force a certain link width from software
2526 2010-12-06 22:50:07 <xelister> tcatm: I will get back to you in next days ok? I have a backlog of work stucked up :| If it is not very urgent then we can review what is needed and do it :)
2527 2010-12-06 22:50:38 <tcatm> xelister: Can you make an estimate how much it would be?
2528 2010-12-06 22:52:42 <doublec> ;;bc.calc 600000
2529 2010-12-06 22:52:42 <gribble> Error: "bc.calc" is not a valid command.
2530 2010-12-06 22:52:45 <doublec> ;;bc,calc 600000
2531 2010-12-06 22:52:46 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 600000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 16 hours, 3 minutes, and 45 seconds
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2534 2010-12-06 22:58:08 <xelister> tcatm: hmmm to provide class that executes the typical bitcoin commands over SSLed json-rpc?
2535 2010-12-06 22:59:53 <tcatm> just the json-rpc stuff (so I can use it with bitcoind but also with other web services)
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2538 2010-12-06 23:02:45 <davux> ;;bc,calc 430
2539 2010-12-06 23:02:46 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 430 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 2 years, 29 weeks, 0 days, 21 hours, 10 minutes, and 5 seconds
2540 2010-12-06 23:02:50 <davux> hahaha
2541 2010-12-06 23:02:52 <davux> okok
2542 2010-12-06 23:03:24 <tcatm> The estimation should be corrected for future difficulty adjustments.
2543 2010-12-06 23:03:31 <davux> yes
2544 2010-12-06 23:03:50 <grondilu> ;;bc,calc 250
2545 2010-12-06 23:03:51 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 250 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 4 years, 20 weeks, 6 days, 6 hours, 38 minutes, and 57 seconds
2546 2010-12-06 23:03:58 <tcatm> Or output "hashrate too low" if estimation is > 1 month
2547 2010-12-06 23:04:07 <davux> or the message should say "if the difficulty stays this way, the average time..."
2548 2010-12-06 23:04:28 <ArtForz> yep, long term difficulty prediction is crystal ball territory
2549 2010-12-06 23:04:40 <tcatm> davux: That's what it's saying now :)
2550 2010-12-06 23:04:44 <ArtForz> currently x1.4 every 10 days looks like a good guess
2551 2010-12-06 23:05:01 <davux> tcatm: true
2552 2010-12-06 23:05:54 <tcatm> Maybe even output somethine like "once a month" or "once a week"
2553 2010-12-06 23:07:01 <tcatm> ;;bc,calc 4000000
2554 2010-12-06 23:07:02 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 4000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 2 hours, 24 minutes, and 33 seconds
2555 2010-12-06 23:07:14 <bencoder> ;;bc,calc 1800
2556 2010-12-06 23:07:15 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1800 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 31 weeks, 6 days, 2 hours, 15 minutes, and 24 seconds
2557 2010-12-06 23:07:43 <bencoder> yeah... i'm not likely to generate again...
2558 2010-12-06 23:07:54 <ColonelPanic1> I can't get shit to work with the newest bitcoin release
2559 2010-12-06 23:08:08 <ColonelPanic1> which GPU miner are you guys using now?
2560 2010-12-06 23:08:56 <[Noodles]> m0mchils win-binary here
2561 2010-12-06 23:09:20 <ArtForz> custom OpenCL miner
2562 2010-12-06 23:10:29 <grondilu> Is there anyone here who still generate ?
2563 2010-12-06 23:10:33 <davux> RFC: http://gitorious.org/bitcoim/pages/Ideas#Sending+bitcoins+to+a+JID
2564 2010-12-06 23:12:47 <[Noodles]> grondilu: as  long as the blockchains growing, someones generating, if not, bitcoin died
2565 2010-12-06 23:13:12 <grondilu> I meant :  on this chann
2566 2010-12-06 23:13:21 <[Noodles]> yes, of course
2567 2010-12-06 23:13:24 <[Noodles]> i am
2568 2010-12-06 23:13:31 <grondilu> what hardware ?
2569 2010-12-06 23:13:36 <[Noodles]> 24/7 for months now
2570 2010-12-06 23:13:56 <ArtForz> sure do
2571 2010-12-06 23:14:05 <[Noodles]> gtx260, hd5570, hd5850
2572 2010-12-06 23:14:35 <ArtForz> 24x HD5970, 5x HD5770
2573 2010-12-06 23:19:35 <xelister> tcatm: is very rough estimation ok for now? Overall 25 USD per hour... it should take between day to week depending how many parts are already ready in java, and how many docs/bugs/quircks they have
2574 2010-12-06 23:20:08 <xelister> tcatm: so like 600 to 4000 BTC (to support BTC I would count a bit higher exchange rate / or some rabate ;)
2575 2010-12-06 23:20:11 <grondilu> Do you sell all your production ?
2576 2010-12-06 23:20:23 <ArtForz> nope
2577 2010-12-06 23:20:31 <grondilu> 50% ?
2578 2010-12-06 23:20:37 <xelister> tcatm: testing, warranty and shit ;)  I should hopefully be able to start (free time) in next week or so
2579 2010-12-06 23:20:44 <ArtForz> about 80%
2580 2010-12-06 23:21:51 <grondilu> hum...  that's a lot.  If all miners sell that much, I guess the price could go down until block 210,000...
2581 2010-12-06 23:22:40 <grondilu> unless bitcoin keep getting more and more popular
2582 2010-12-06 23:22:44 <tcatm> xelister: ok, ping me when you have time.
2583 2010-12-06 23:24:57 <ArtForz> depends on how much the economy grows
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2585 2010-12-06 23:25:14 <xelister> ofcourse unless this turns out to be horror and shit fully of kludges from hell ;)  like "set up 5970 mining on ubuntu"
2586 2010-12-06 23:26:32 <xelister> btw, I offer 200 BTC for anyone that will get me fully working Diablo miner that works on linux Ubuntu (and on windows) in a compitibl way ;)
2587 2010-12-06 23:26:42 <Diablo-D3> xelister: hey, so, did that patch ever actually do anything for you?
2588 2010-12-06 23:27:03 <xelister> yea it wasted another 0.5 h of my life of setting this all **** ;)
2589 2010-12-06 23:27:10 <Diablo-D3> no I mean
2590 2010-12-06 23:27:20 <Diablo-D3> did it eliminate the gpu #2 shit, or the -52 shit?
2591 2010-12-06 23:29:54 <jgarzik> davux: sending bitcoins to a JID is pretty cool
2592 2010-12-06 23:30:13 <davux> jgarzik: yep
2593 2010-12-06 23:36:08 grondilu has quit (Quit: leaving)
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2595 2010-12-06 23:52:46 Zarutian has joined
2596 2010-12-06 23:53:15 <Zarutian> ;;bc,calculate 600
2597 2010-12-06 23:53:15 <gribble> Error: "bc,calculate" is not a valid command.
2598 2010-12-06 23:53:22 <Zarutian> ;;bc, calculate 600
2599 2010-12-06 23:53:22 <gribble> Error: "bc," is not a valid command.
2600 2010-12-06 23:53:27 <Zarutian> ;;calculate 600
2601 2010-12-06 23:53:28 <gribble> Error: "calculate" is not a valid command.
2602 2010-12-06 23:53:35 <Diablo-D3> aaand xelister doesnt answer
2603 2010-12-06 23:54:23 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,calc 300000
2604 2010-12-06 23:54:23 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 300000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 1 day, 8 hours, 7 minutes, and 31 seconds
2605 2010-12-06 23:54:59 bkukowski has quit (Quit: bkukowski)
2606 2010-12-06 23:55:05 <lolcat> ;;bc,calc 1300000
2607 2010-12-06 23:55:06 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1300000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 7 hours, 24 minutes, and 48 seconds
2608 2010-12-06 23:55:33 <midnightmagic> show off..!
2609 2010-12-06 23:55:44 <davux> totally
2610 2010-12-06 23:56:17 <lolcat> Why calculate coins now? They are cheap...
2611 2010-12-06 23:56:18 <davux> feels like old times' "my uptime is bigger than yours"
2612 2010-12-06 23:57:12 <Xunie> lolcat, if you mine blocks now, while it's easy because the network's small and they're cheap because of low demand, you can still keep 'm and sell them later.
2613 2010-12-06 23:57:47 <[Noodles]> and someone has to generate anyway, or we could all just stop using bitcoins at all
2614 2010-12-06 23:57:54 <Xunie> ^+1
2615 2010-12-06 23:57:55 <lolcat> No
2616 2010-12-06 23:58:02 <lolcat> 4,5M is enough
2617 2010-12-06 23:58:06 <Xunie> I'll gladly be the only one generating, although it wouldn't be secure. :+)
2618 2010-12-06 23:58:15 <lolcat> We could just use the numbers behind the ,
2619 2010-12-06 23:59:10 <Xunie> lolcat, you do realize that if everyone would just stop generating, the difficulty will be very easy and if only one person mines, that person can generate a block every 10 minutes.
2620 2010-12-06 23:59:41 <Xunie> Thus, that means that that person will become very rich, and the network vulnerable to attack. :+)
2621 2010-12-06 23:59:48 <lolcat> Oh
2622 2010-12-06 23:59:48 <midnightmagic> secretly, lolcat is trying to get people to stop mining. :-)