1 2010-12-08 00:04:12 <xelister> Diablo-D3: :[
2 2010-12-08 00:04:35 <xelister> + bash DiabloMiner-Linux.sh -f 120 -u bc -p x -w 128 -a /usr/ati-stream-sdk-v2.1-lnx64/
3 2010-12-08 00:04:37 <xelister> Added Cypress (#1) (20 CU, 1x vector, local work size of 128) Added Cypress (#2) (20 CU, 1x vector, local work size of 128)
4 2010-12-08 00:04:38 <xelister> Started at Dec 7, 2010 7:58:23 PM
5 2010-12-08 00:04:40 <xelister> 524917 khash/sec 529200 khash/sec 533833 khash/sec
6 2010-12-08 00:04:41 <xelister> ERROR: Executor on Cypress (#1) locked up, restarting it
7 2010-12-08 00:04:43 <xelister> ERROR: Failed to allocate queue
8 2010-12-08 00:04:44 <xelister> Exception in thread "Thread-7" java.lang.NullPointerException
9 2010-12-08 00:04:46 <xelister> at org.lwjgl.opencl.CL10.clEnqueueWriteBuffer(CL10.java:730)
10 2010-12-08 00:04:47 <xelister> at com.diablominer.DiabloMiner.DiabloMiner$DeviceState$ExecutionState.run(DiabloMiner.java:494)
11 2010-12-08 00:04:49 <xelister> at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:662)
12 2010-12-08 00:04:54 * xelister puts the crasy miner inside a restart script wrapper
13 2010-12-08 00:05:02 <lfm> eeww, barf
14 2010-12-08 00:07:59 <lfm> xelister, is that 5970?
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16 2010-12-08 00:10:07 <lfm> I think Diablo-D3 has sed the two logical gpus will probably work better with two separate miner processes instead of the two threads. use command line to select just #1 or #2
17 2010-12-08 00:10:30 <lfm> 0 or 1?
18 2010-12-08 00:11:16 <Diablo-D3> lfm: nope.
19 2010-12-08 00:11:20 <Diablo-D3> threads are threads
20 2010-12-08 00:11:33 <lfm> oh you never said that?
21 2010-12-08 00:12:33 <redengin> anyone know of a btc'er thats registered as a commodity broker?
22 2010-12-08 00:12:41 <Diablo-D3> no xel is trying to say that with no proof
23 2010-12-08 00:13:38 <lfm> redengin, like a US govmnt register currency trader?
24 2010-12-08 00:15:02 <redengin> mostly in the US, for these off-exchange commodities you only need an instate registration
25 2010-12-08 00:15:26 <lfm> redengin, is bitcoin a commodity or a currency tho?
26 2010-12-08 00:15:40 <redengin> its a commodity under this state's definition
27 2010-12-08 00:15:46 <redengin> washington state
28 2010-12-08 00:15:53 <lfm> interesting
29 2010-12-08 00:16:05 <lfm> anyway, no I dont know of any
30 2010-12-08 00:16:43 <redengin> $6k of volume a day is getting pretty attractive
31 2010-12-08 00:17:28 <lfm> ya mtgox volume is up there but Im not even sure if he is in USA
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34 2010-12-08 00:27:38 * Kiba thinks of doing a very improtant project in the future
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36 2010-12-08 00:28:45 <schmooo> Does GPU client support SLI?
37 2010-12-08 00:29:13 <tcatm> No, but it's not needed.
38 2010-12-08 00:29:33 <Kiba> Very interesting
39 2010-12-08 00:29:40 <schmooo> Why is it not needed?
40 2010-12-08 00:29:43 <Kiba> the bitcoinmarket exchange follows mtgox, but on a higher level
41 2010-12-08 00:30:32 <tcatm> You can use both GPUs without inter-GPU-communication.
42 2010-12-08 00:30:40 <schmooo> Aha okay.
43 2010-12-08 00:32:08 midnightmagic has joined
44 2010-12-08 00:32:20 <schmooo> My god, I can't find the client link *anywhere* in this thread. >.<
45 2010-12-08 00:33:39 redengin has joined
46 2010-12-08 00:35:08 <midnightmagic> uh.. if there's an entry in the debug.log that says, "12/07/10 21:03 generated 50.00" then.. this suggests there should be 50 bitcoins in my wallet. bitcoind getbalance shows 0.0000. comments?
47 2010-12-08 00:35:42 <tcatm> Those 50 mature after 150 blocks.
48 2010-12-08 00:36:08 <ArtForz> 120 blocks
49 2010-12-08 00:36:41 <midnightmagic> then I am indeed lame. geez, haven't felt like this much of a n00b in years. (since I started playing eve:online)..
50 2010-12-08 00:37:37 * Kiba continues to evolve his artistic skill
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55 2010-12-08 00:50:21 <Diablo-D3> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B004EI3ON4/ref=nosim/0sil8
56 2010-12-08 00:50:26 <Diablo-D3> $3.99 for whole album
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59 2010-12-08 01:00:22 <Kiba> genjix: somehow, your isn't generating preview image for my file
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64 2010-12-08 01:10:53 * Lysacor sighs
65 2010-12-08 01:11:11 <Lysacor> maybe I might get my cloak for donating to PDPC eventually... oh well it is a good cause :P
66 2010-12-08 01:11:12 <Kiba> sighs what?
67 2010-12-08 01:12:03 <Lysacor> asked in #freenode earlier this weekend and they say that it takes a few days before anything like that is applied to your account
68 2010-12-08 01:17:28 <xelister> Diablo-D3: this is the null NPE im getting. any idea how to fix it
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71 2010-12-08 01:26:56 <jgarzik> does freenode accept BTC donations yet? :)
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73 2010-12-08 01:28:32 <doublec> we should rename bitcoin to tipcoin
74 2010-12-08 01:28:47 <doublec> to reflect the majority usage of it
75 2010-12-08 01:32:29 <chaord> doublec: ha! that's actually not a half bad idea
76 2010-12-08 01:32:41 <chaord> it would resonate much better with mainstream consumers that way too
77 2010-12-08 01:33:11 <Diablo-D3> xelister: you didnt pastebin it like I asked
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79 2010-12-08 01:47:50 <xelister> Diablo-D3: pastebin what? I just did, above
80 2010-12-08 01:48:18 <Diablo-D3> where?
81 2010-12-08 01:48:48 <xelister> well above, and now see PM
82 2010-12-08 01:53:30 <Xunie> doublec, do this: bitcoin is the idea, whitepaper and protocol, tipcoin is the implementation and network. :P
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89 2010-12-08 02:30:52 <jc_toronto> i have a question about bitcoin
90 2010-12-08 02:31:32 <jc_toronto> as there are more and more bitcoins
91 2010-12-08 02:31:44 <jc_toronto> it becomes harder to create new bitcoins
92 2010-12-08 02:33:00 <jc_toronto> the bitcoins at the beginning didn't take that much to create, but they are worth more than the ones that were just created
93 2010-12-08 02:33:09 <jc_toronto> sore worth the same
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97 2010-12-08 02:41:26 * gavinandresen is waiting for jc_toronto's question....
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99 2010-12-08 02:42:14 <Kiba> a Japanese tweeting person appears
100 2010-12-08 02:42:19 <Kiba> !
101 2010-12-08 02:42:50 <Kiba> the message was: Wikileaks, Freenet, BitCoinãæãã¨äººç楽ãããªãããã ãªãã俺ã ããã
102 2010-12-08 02:43:11 <Kiba> What a life will be fun to be aligned. It only me?
103 2010-12-08 02:43:21 <AAA_awright> Not the first person with that idea
104 2010-12-08 02:45:03 <Kiba> http://www.mhatta.org/
105 2010-12-08 02:45:18 <Kiba> possible candiate for Satoshi?
106 2010-12-08 02:48:10 <jgarzik> Kiba: no cryptography mentioned, and I think he would have used GNU autotools, if Satoshi were that person
107 2010-12-08 02:50:56 <AAA_awright> Why do you say that?
108 2010-12-08 02:51:50 <Kiba> Satoshi licensed his project under MIT, no?
109 2010-12-08 02:52:17 <AAA_awright> Let's ask about making it public domain
110 2010-12-08 02:52:46 <AAA_awright> I'm that against software licenses now, it's an arcane practice that restricts freedom no matter what terms it has in it
111 2010-12-08 02:53:15 <Kiba> anarchists are only plurity
112 2010-12-08 02:53:25 <Kiba> though libertarian camp are the supermajority
113 2010-12-08 02:53:48 <AAA_awright> Also, can someone with even half a brain reply to http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2035.0 I'm walking in the dark here
114 2010-12-08 02:54:03 <AAA_awright> I thought that would be a popular thread
115 2010-12-08 02:55:08 <Kiba> mysteriouslly
116 2010-12-08 02:55:10 <Kiba> suffering the....
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119 2010-12-08 02:59:21 <ArtForz> probably because no one has a clue how that magic hash function is supposed to work
120 2010-12-08 03:02:50 * Kiba misintrepret a book title today
121 2010-12-08 03:03:01 <Kiba> Rothbard's History is 50% off
122 2010-12-08 03:03:06 <Kiba> rather than at
123 2010-12-08 03:03:10 <Kiba> 50% off
124 2010-12-08 03:08:58 CyanDynamo has joined
125 2010-12-08 03:16:38 <AAA_awright> Kiba: "Bump" heh
126 2010-12-08 03:16:40 <AAA_awright> :)
127 2010-12-08 03:16:43 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: forget japanese people, Satoshi is /not/ japanese
128 2010-12-08 03:17:15 <MT`AwAy> AAA_awright: the only real license is WTFPL, public domain only has meaning in north america
129 2010-12-08 03:17:19 <AAA_awright> Kiba: If you think it's a promising idea you might want to say something to that effect, but you don't know anything about cryptography to say
130 2010-12-08 03:17:46 <AAA_awright> MT`AwAy: Citation needed... I don't know any court that just says "you can't use the software at all because it's public domain" not a single case.
131 2010-12-08 03:17:55 <AAA_awright> Name one.
132 2010-12-08 03:18:01 <Kiba> AAA_awright: yes, I don't know anything
133 2010-12-08 03:18:17 <Kiba> I am your Joe Smosh average programmer
134 2010-12-08 03:18:47 <AAA_awright> Right, say /that/ now I think other people will think I paid you off to say that or something (with 50BTC, let's say)
135 2010-12-08 03:20:12 * Kiba shrugs
136 2010-12-08 03:20:24 <MT`AwAy> AAA_awright: simple, because no non-american court would ever know what "public domain" is
137 2010-12-08 03:21:01 <AAA_awright> MT`AwAy: It's defined with American definitions, that's what language is for
138 2010-12-08 03:21:29 <AAA_awright> If I say "I want a doughnut" I don't have to describe the production process just because I'm ordering it from China
139 2010-12-08 03:21:46 <AAA_awright> Judges aren't stupid
140 2010-12-08 03:21:59 <AAA_awright> Lawyers might be, but that's why they aren't judges (that's my theory)
141 2010-12-08 03:22:39 <AAA_awright> MT`AwAy: Also, without an injured party, it's unlikely a lawsuit could even be filed
142 2010-12-08 03:23:40 <Zarutian> AAA_awright: "public domain" is "almenningur" in Icelandic. An very old concept not originating from America. (I think it was defined by a german published iirc)
143 2010-12-08 03:24:08 <Zarutian> s/published/publisher/
144 2010-12-08 03:25:03 <Diablo-D3> Zarutian: yes, but modern american law often predates even the british shit we stole from them
145 2010-12-08 03:25:39 <Diablo-D3> a lot of it does come from germany
146 2010-12-08 03:25:52 <Kiba> If the American didn't recongnize copyright law, America would be over run with British literature
147 2010-12-08 03:25:56 <AAA_awright> Zarutian: Copyright law didn't even exist prior to what was it, the 1600s? Public domain is simply the state of your work not being copy-limited by the state.
148 2010-12-08 03:26:03 <AAA_awright> As it was before copyright law.
149 2010-12-08 03:26:18 <Kiba> AAA_awright: copyright laws exist before that as simple monopoly privillage
150 2010-12-08 03:26:20 <AAA_awright> I don't see how Iceland plays in
151 2010-12-08 03:26:35 <Kiba> in the 1600, they just make better "justification" for it
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153 2010-12-08 03:26:43 <AAA_awright> Kiba: This is true
154 2010-12-08 03:26:55 <Kiba> which is plainly bullshit.
155 2010-12-08 03:27:22 <AAA_awright> But that's besides the point anyways, "public domain" has an actual meaning. You can't define a word in another country to mean something it doesn't.
156 2010-12-08 03:27:43 <Zarutian> AAA_awright: copyright is the right to publish a spefic work, that right print publishers of old bought from writers of the texts
157 2010-12-08 03:28:42 <AAA_awright> Zarutian: Right
158 2010-12-08 03:29:37 <andrew12> so wait, when solving a block, aren't you basically bruteforcing the hash algorithm in order to get the target hash?
159 2010-12-08 03:29:42 <Zarutian> AAA_awright: so, iirc, it is slightly younger than the printing press
160 2010-12-08 03:30:51 <Zarutian> and the Icelandic connection? I am an Icelander and just wanted to put in a word or two ;)
161 2010-12-08 03:31:40 <AAA_awright> andrew12: A number lower that is lower the required difficulty, yeah
162 2010-12-08 03:32:25 <andrew12> wait, it has to he lower than the target hash? that makes a bit more sense in terms of 'difficulty'
163 2010-12-08 03:33:21 <tcatm> andrew12: Yes the check is hash <= target
164 2010-12-08 03:33:34 <andrew12> has the hash ever been the target?
165 2010-12-08 03:35:04 <tcatm> I don't have a searchable block database handy. You could ask theymos when he's around.
166 2010-12-08 03:35:41 <tcatm> My guess would be that was never the case as it's highly unlikely.
167 2010-12-08 03:35:51 <andrew12> yeah
168 2010-12-08 03:36:05 <andrew12> what does bitcoin use for the hashes? sha1?
169 2010-12-08 03:36:13 <tcatm> SHA256
170 2010-12-08 03:36:13 <AAA_awright> sha256 iirc
171 2010-12-08 03:36:25 <tcatm> Actually a nested SHA256
172 2010-12-08 03:36:29 <jrabbit> http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/right-wing-declares-war-poor-kate-obeirne-c/#
173 2010-12-08 03:36:32 * jrabbit swears
174 2010-12-08 03:36:42 <andrew12> so then it's like a 1/2^256 chance that you'll get the hash == the target
175 2010-12-08 03:36:46 <andrew12> but it's possible
176 2010-12-08 03:37:27 <tcatm> Of course, but 1/2^256 is a very small chance.
177 2010-12-08 03:37:36 <andrew12> :D
178 2010-12-08 03:39:41 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: did you as a person to translate page into Japanese?
179 2010-12-08 03:42:49 <anarchyx> good deed for the month: inform your friends and family about jury nullification, and tell them to spread the word
180 2010-12-08 03:43:03 <Ry4an> jury nullification++
181 2010-12-08 03:44:32 <doublec> what is jury nullification?
182 2010-12-08 03:44:47 <Kiba> let nullify the law!
183 2010-12-08 03:46:49 <anarchyx> basically it allows any juror to rule not guilty, because he does not agree with the law, or because he really thinks hes innocent, or whatever reason (even false) - and on top of that hang the jury if the rest dont agree - so basically 1 jury member can rule someone not-guilty and let him off the hook
184 2010-12-08 03:47:15 <anarchyx> even if all the others think hes guilty
185 2010-12-08 03:48:00 <anarchyx> so if you are part of the jury and think the government shouldnt tax people, and you need to judge on some tax evador, you can let him free
186 2010-12-08 03:48:28 <Kiba> the presecutor will surely be selecting pro-tax people
187 2010-12-08 03:48:29 <anarchyx> its pretty powerful and highly controversial - if a defendant tries to mention it he will be punished severely
188 2010-12-08 03:48:47 <anarchyx> Kiba: both sides can decide on jurors right
189 2010-12-08 03:49:01 <anarchyx> you only need 1 anti-tax guy whos aware of nullification and you will have won
190 2010-12-08 03:49:33 <anarchyx> (but you cant ask if they know about nullification, cause they fucked up the system and supreme court wont rule on it yet)
191 2010-12-08 03:49:56 <tcatm> how does that work?
192 2010-12-08 03:49:56 <Kiba> now, that will throw an an axe into the system
193 2010-12-08 03:50:05 <Kiba> just say "not guilty"
194 2010-12-08 03:50:08 <anarchyx> thats why you hvave people handing out pamphlets to jurors sometimes
195 2010-12-08 03:50:10 <anarchyx> yep and stick to it
196 2010-12-08 03:50:14 <anarchyx> its that simple
197 2010-12-08 03:50:41 <anarchyx> other jurors can try to convince you otherwise but you just dont cave
198 2010-12-08 03:50:53 <anarchyx> =hung jury=end of trail
199 2010-12-08 03:51:21 <doublec> so juries need to be unaminous?
200 2010-12-08 03:51:44 <anarchyx> http://fija.org/
201 2010-12-08 03:51:52 <anarchyx> yeah
202 2010-12-08 03:51:54 <doublec> can't they just retrial with a different jury?
203 2010-12-08 03:52:01 <Kiba> double jeapordy
204 2010-12-08 03:52:07 <anarchyx> yes
205 2010-12-08 03:52:12 <anarchyx> wont work
206 2010-12-08 03:52:17 <Ry4an> It's a mistrial and they can retry.
207 2010-12-08 03:52:18 <anarchyx> kiba said it
208 2010-12-08 03:52:26 <doublec> in NZ they retrial
209 2010-12-08 03:52:28 <Ry4an> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hung_jury#United_States
210 2010-12-08 03:52:32 <Ry4an> in the US they do too
211 2010-12-08 03:52:50 <doublec> one high profile case they retrialed 4 times till they got a jury to convict someone
212 2010-12-08 03:53:01 <doublec> so much for 'reasonable doubt'
213 2010-12-08 03:53:03 <Ry4an> "A hung jury does not imply either the defendant's guilt or innocence. The government may retry any defendant on any count on which the jury could not agree."
214 2010-12-08 03:53:58 <lolcat> Are we discussing bitcoin and tax evasion?
215 2010-12-08 03:54:30 <doublec> no, we're discussing jury nullification
216 2010-12-08 03:54:47 <doublec> lolcat, did you see my note about running bitcoind on the N900?
217 2010-12-08 03:54:56 <doublec> lolcat, (I think it was you asking about it?)
218 2010-12-08 03:55:04 <andrew12> we're discussing replacing USD with BTC
219 2010-12-08 03:55:28 <lolcat> doublec: No, I did not see it. And yes it was me asking about it. I had some computer trouble earlier so I must have missed it.
220 2010-12-08 03:55:45 <doublec> lolcat, http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/bitcoin-pool/bitcoind.gz
221 2010-12-08 03:55:50 <lolcat> andrew12: Then the chinese yuan would be tied up to bitcoins
222 2010-12-08 03:55:53 <doublec> download that on the N900, gunzip it and you can run it
223 2010-12-08 03:56:07 <lolcat> I have gunzip on it?
224 2010-12-08 03:56:16 <Kiba> we need a bitcoin exchange market in Korea, Tawian, and all the other rich Asian countries
225 2010-12-08 03:56:26 <doublec> lolcat, yes
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227 2010-12-08 03:56:42 <doublec> it'll take a while to download the block chain - a chew a bit of battery doing it
228 2010-12-08 03:56:52 <doublec> but once that's done it doesn't use much battery power to just run
229 2010-12-08 03:56:55 <lolcat> doublec: Do you know what the adress to the bluetooth folder is?
230 2010-12-08 03:57:13 <lolcat> Is the block chain big?
231 2010-12-08 03:57:27 <lolcat> I only have 500MB download a month on it
232 2010-12-08 03:57:38 <doublec> best to do the block chain over wifi
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234 2010-12-08 03:57:55 <doublec> I left it overnight
235 2010-12-08 03:58:10 <andrew12> each block is usually less...god dammmit why does my screensaver keep starting randomly
236 2010-12-08 03:58:16 <andrew12> each block is usually less than 1KB
237 2010-12-08 03:58:31 <lolcat> 96MB-ish?
238 2010-12-08 03:58:37 <andrew12> or less
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240 2010-12-08 03:58:52 <doublec> lolcat, running bitcoind on the phone probably isn't that useful since there's not much you can use with it, and there's no gui so you have to type bitcoind commands in the terminal
241 2010-12-08 03:58:55 <doublec> but it's a start
242 2010-12-08 03:59:11 <andrew12> oh, and N900 == ?
243 2010-12-08 03:59:28 <doublec> Nokia N900 - linux based mobile phone
244 2010-12-08 03:59:29 <andrew12> I meant to ask that but my PC was being slow :<
245 2010-12-08 03:59:39 <andrew12> doublec: android? or just linux?
246 2010-12-08 03:59:47 <doublec> just linux - runs maemo
247 2010-12-08 04:00:00 <andrew12> i'd like to see a real bitcoin app for android
248 2010-12-08 04:00:16 <doublec> tcatm is working on one
249 2010-12-08 04:00:21 <andrew12> yay!
250 2010-12-08 04:00:31 <tcatm> well, not a real one. More a frontend.
251 2010-12-08 04:00:46 <anarchyx> hung jury/mistrial might lead to aquittal - the prosecutor will not always do another trial - and if we have lets say 10% of population against taxes, and aware of their jury rights, noone will ever get convicted
252 2010-12-08 04:00:47 <andrew12> tcatm: have you managed to get bitcoind running on it?
253 2010-12-08 04:01:03 <tcatm> No, I don't even have a android phone.
254 2010-12-08 04:01:15 <andrew12> hmm
255 2010-12-08 04:01:22 <tcatm> http://bitcoincharts.com/media/stuff/androidclient1.png
256 2010-12-08 04:01:39 <andrew12> do you know how one would get bitcoind running on android?
257 2010-12-08 04:01:51 <doublec> tcatm, nice!
258 2010-12-08 04:02:16 <doublec> andrew12, one would need to use the android NDK and go through much pain
259 2010-12-08 04:02:24 <andrew12> damn :p
260 2010-12-08 04:02:33 <doublec> it'd probably be easier using the latest android version, gingerbread
261 2010-12-08 04:02:38 <andrew12> wat
262 2010-12-08 04:02:38 <tcatm> Real bitcoind on android would require a major rewrite.
263 2010-12-08 04:02:41 <doublec> since they have a more up to date C++ library
264 2010-12-08 04:03:00 <lolcat> Me feels royaly stupid
265 2010-12-08 04:03:14 <andrew12> whoa never heard of gingerbread before
266 2010-12-08 04:03:17 * lolcat can't even use the me command correctly
267 2010-12-08 04:03:19 <andrew12> sounds interesting
268 2010-12-08 04:03:38 <lolcat> doublec: I can get it to run :S I get premission denied with ./bitcoind
269 2010-12-08 04:03:46 <doublec> lolcat, chmod +x ./bitcoind
270 2010-12-08 04:03:50 <doublec> to make it executable
271 2010-12-08 04:04:46 <lolcat> Still permission denied
272 2010-12-08 04:05:25 <doublec> where did you download it to?
273 2010-12-08 04:05:32 <doublec> move it to your home directory
274 2010-12-08 04:05:35 <lolcat> MyDocs
275 2010-12-08 04:05:48 <doublec> MyDocs is probably set to not allow executable's
276 2010-12-08 04:07:17 <lolcat> Ahh
277 2010-12-08 04:07:47 <andrew12> MyDocs?
278 2010-12-08 04:08:04 <doublec> it's a folder holding your documents
279 2010-12-08 04:08:23 <andrew12> you mean My Documents?
280 2010-12-08 04:08:24 <andrew12> lol
281 2010-12-08 04:08:34 <doublec> No, it's MyDocs on the N900
282 2010-12-08 04:08:42 <andrew12> oh
283 2010-12-08 04:08:43 <andrew12> lol
284 2010-12-08 04:09:05 <doublec> Try typing long words like Documents on a cellphone and you'll appreciate the shorter names ;)
285 2010-12-08 04:09:16 <andrew12> I wish there was a simple cross compiler for android
286 2010-12-08 04:09:21 <lolcat> There it started!
287 2010-12-08 04:09:28 <andrew12> or arm i guess
288 2010-12-08 04:09:29 <doublec> great!
289 2010-12-08 04:09:50 <andrew12> I could probably get cmake to compile for arm
290 2010-12-08 04:10:10 <tcatm> Android doesn't work well with "normal" applications.
291 2010-12-08 04:10:36 <andrew12> yeah... cyanogen added htop and irssi and neither work properly :D
292 2010-12-08 04:10:51 <andrew12> they might work properly over adb shell but idk
293 2010-12-08 04:10:58 <lolcat> Oh well, it is late. I will set it up tomorrow. See ya
294 2010-12-08 04:11:07 <lolcat> doublec: Thanks for compiling
295 2010-12-08 04:11:13 <doublec> np
296 2010-12-08 04:12:08 <andrew12> the ndk has cross compilers in it
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298 2010-12-08 04:12:47 <andrew12> I've never tried to figure out which one I want but it's got then :P
299 2010-12-08 04:13:09 * andrew12 has a motorola droid
300 2010-12-08 04:13:27 <andrew12> s/then/them/
301 2010-12-08 04:13:39 <doublec> you can write simple libc based apps and run them using adb shell
302 2010-12-08 04:13:42 * tcatm is thinking about getting a motorola milestone. I think that's the same hardware.
303 2010-12-08 04:13:52 <doublec> but the android libc is quite limited
304 2010-12-08 04:13:59 <doublec> which makes porting difficult
305 2010-12-08 04:14:04 <andrew12> libc?
306 2010-12-08 04:14:15 <andrew12> I was thinking of just compiling the whole thing :p
307 2010-12-08 04:14:24 <andrew12> that's probably what you meant...
308 2010-12-08 04:15:25 <doublec> bitcoind requires a number of dependancies which don't have a show of working on android
309 2010-12-08 04:18:49 <andrew12> this is true
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311 2010-12-08 04:21:28 <andrew12> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1458.msg27651#msg27651
312 2010-12-08 04:21:34 <andrew12> I've gotta try that
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314 2010-12-08 04:28:21 <Ry4an> so with the block count ever growing does that mean the time to start generating coins will always go up too?
315 2010-12-08 04:28:47 <Lysacor> yep
316 2010-12-08 04:28:56 <Lysacor> recalculated every 2 weeks isn't it?
317 2010-12-08 04:29:13 <Lysacor> difficulty I mean?
318 2010-12-08 04:29:17 <doublec> the time to generate is based on the amount of computing power generating
319 2010-12-08 04:29:18 <Ry4an> Lysacor: that's the difficulty, but I'm talking about initial start-up/download time unless I'm missing something
320 2010-12-08 04:29:27 <Lysacor> aaah
321 2010-12-08 04:29:29 <doublec> so it will take longer to generate as more people generate
322 2010-12-08 04:29:44 <Ry4an> yeah, that I get. but I'm talking time-to-first-hash going up too.
323 2010-12-08 04:29:47 <Lysacor> Ry4an: you are right, depends on how long you have been off
324 2010-12-08 04:29:49 <doublec> yes, initial time to download the block chain will get longer
325 2010-12-08 04:30:01 <Lysacor> yep, that is right Ry4an
326 2010-12-08 04:30:05 <Ry4an> I started bitcoind 7 hours ago and it's still downloading blocks.
327 2010-12-08 04:30:38 <Ry4an> and is that also part of the intentional cost of generating coins, or just a result of how long it takes to get blocks
328 2010-12-08 04:30:55 <Lysacor> Ry4an: I have found if the block download seizes a bit and you aren't at current count, I close my client, wait a second, and reopen
329 2010-12-08 04:31:40 <doublec> Ry4an, time for the initial block download depends greatly on the speed of the node providing the blocks to you
330 2010-12-08 04:31:40 <Lysacor> Ry4an: that is the result of having a large block chain, and a distributed network. Sometimes distribution of the historical block chain can be slow.
331 2010-12-08 04:31:48 <Ry4an> it's not siezed. It's been a steady march forward on a good net connection. I'm at 91979.. 91999.. 92009,
332 2010-12-08 04:32:03 <Lysacor> definitely right then :P
333 2010-12-08 04:32:06 <Ry4an> Doublec: ahh, so I must've initially connected to a dud sender
334 2010-12-08 04:32:16 <doublec> there's been some discussion about providing some of the block chain as part of the client download
335 2010-12-08 04:32:20 <Ry4an> and with 96355 out there I can see I"m getting close.
336 2010-12-08 04:32:30 <Lysacor> Soon!
337 2010-12-08 04:33:00 <AAA_awright> I'm looking for a hashing function that produces an output with a constant number of bits of each value (say, "take this input and produce a binary number with 100 1's and 100 0's)
338 2010-12-08 04:33:04 andrew12[] has joined
339 2010-12-08 04:33:37 <AAA_awright> Can that be done in constant time wrt the digit count?
340 2010-12-08 04:33:41 jmsolarian has joined
341 2010-12-08 04:33:46 <Ry4an> AAA_awright: given 199 bits of that hash I can guess the last. ;)
342 2010-12-08 04:33:52 <andrew12> andrew12[]: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1458.msg27651#msg27651 1NkqZE4DA8h6Xbtz9GtJcfE1FcA8Z5yRJN
343 2010-12-08 04:34:07 <AAA_awright> Ry4an: Which is acceptable
344 2010-12-08 04:35:39 <Ry4an> AAA_awright: degenerate case: concat(HASH(M), INVERSE(HASH(M))
345 2010-12-08 04:36:57 <AAA_awright> Ry4an: What's that do
346 2010-12-08 04:38:09 andrew12 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
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348 2010-12-08 04:39:18 <Ry4an> AAA_awright: It's just pointing out tha tif you want a 200 bit bash that has 100 zeros and 100 1s you, use a 100-bit hash and then append the inverse of that initial hash. It meets the requirements, but if anything shows they're odd requirements.
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351 2010-12-08 04:39:55 <AAA_awright> Ry4an: With arbritary digit counts... maybe a single 1 and 3042 0's
352 2010-12-08 04:40:00 andrew12[] has joined
353 2010-12-08 04:40:08 <andrew12[]> that's a bit better
354 2010-12-08 04:40:23 <andrew12[]> moved my router so it was higher in the air and less tangled, and closer to my room
355 2010-12-08 04:41:38 <AAA_awright> But actually that might work anyways
356 2010-12-08 04:41:48 <AAA_awright> I need such a hash for something else too
357 2010-12-08 04:45:40 <nanotube> Ry4an: fwiw, i recently started a bitcoin node on my vps, and it took less than an hour to download the 95k+ blocks... so it all depends on your net connection, and your luck in what nodes you get.
358 2010-12-08 04:46:05 <nanotube> Ry4an: further, it's possible to download a file containing most of the block chain to get you started - as long as you trust the source. (e.g., you could get it from a friend)
359 2010-12-08 04:46:12 <AAA_awright> Even an hour is prohibititive
360 2010-12-08 04:46:45 <AAA_awright> The client does verify the transactions right?
361 2010-12-08 04:47:47 <Ry4an> yeah, I must've had a dud node. I'll just let it finish out, but perhaps it could sample other connections and download in parallel or switchoff. No big deal. I'm up to 19 connections, so once this finishes out I should be good to go.
362 2010-12-08 04:48:55 andrew12 has joined
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365 2010-12-08 04:54:42 <andrew12> hm
366 2010-12-08 04:54:45 <AAA_awright> Kiba: Know that HTTP status, what is it, 302 Payment Required?
367 2010-12-08 04:55:10 <AAA_awright> Think Bitcoin could implement an HTTP spec that finally uses that?
368 2010-12-08 04:55:59 <andrew12> "finally"
369 2010-12-08 04:56:11 <DemeGeek> I found a spelling mistake in the "Getting Started" documentation.
370 2010-12-08 04:56:21 <DemeGeek> "white" instead of "which"
371 2010-12-08 04:56:30 <andrew12> DemeGeek: it's a wiki. fix it. :p
372 2010-12-08 04:56:43 <DemeGeek> It is?
373 2010-12-08 04:56:52 <andrew12> I believe so
374 2010-12-08 04:56:58 <DemeGeek> I feel dumber now
375 2010-12-08 04:57:18 <DemeGeek> "This page is read only. You can view the source, but not change it. Ask your administrator if you think this is wrong. "
376 2010-12-08 04:57:22 <andrew12> aww
377 2010-12-08 04:57:43 <DemeGeek> So close!
378 2010-12-08 04:59:08 <DemeGeek> What is to stop somebody from just accumlating all the BTC?
379 2010-12-08 04:59:12 <andrew12> I fixed it
380 2010-12-08 04:59:26 <AAA_awright> HTTP/1.1 302 Payment Required
381 2010-12-08 04:59:26 <AAA_awright> X-Bitcoin-Payment-Address: (bitcoin address)
382 2010-12-08 04:59:26 <AAA_awright> X-Bitcoin-Payment-Amount: (amount necessary)
383 2010-12-08 04:59:28 <andrew12> DemeGeek: what?
384 2010-12-08 04:59:43 <Diablo-D3> AAA_awright: no one uses that.
385 2010-12-08 04:59:51 <andrew12> AAA_awright: is 302 an actual HTTP code?
386 2010-12-08 05:00:07 <AAA_awright> Wait no, that's for redirection
387 2010-12-08 05:00:10 <andrew12> (payment required)
388 2010-12-08 05:00:15 <Diablo-D3> payment required is
389 2010-12-08 05:00:17 <Diablo-D3> its not 302
390 2010-12-08 05:00:19 <AAA_awright> It's 402
391 2010-12-08 05:00:20 <Diablo-D3> 302 is redirection
392 2010-12-08 05:00:30 <Diablo-D3> payment required has never been implemented
393 2010-12-08 05:00:34 <Diablo-D3> its basically an impossibility
394 2010-12-08 05:00:35 <AAA_awright> 4xx is a client error
395 2010-12-08 05:00:37 <andrew12> heh
396 2010-12-08 05:00:38 <DemeGeek> One of the main parts of BitCoin is to stop a bank (or the like) from store the wealth for it's own.
397 2010-12-08 05:00:48 <Diablo-D3> http is not designed for persistent state applications
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399 2010-12-08 05:00:53 <AAA_awright> Diablo-D3: I don't see how impossibility follows from never been implemented
400 2010-12-08 05:01:02 <AAA_awright> There hasn't been any standard payment system
401 2010-12-08 05:01:05 <Diablo-D3> AAA_awright: its meant for pay per view systems
402 2010-12-08 05:01:11 <Diablo-D3> something that makes no sense on the internet
403 2010-12-08 05:01:15 <AAA_awright> Right, which is Bitcoin
404 2010-12-08 05:01:23 <Diablo-D3> you want to pay every time you view a page?
405 2010-12-08 05:01:28 <Diablo-D3> what is this, the telephone industry?
406 2010-12-08 05:01:36 <AAA_awright> The Internet isn't free
407 2010-12-08 05:01:43 <andrew12> DemeGeek: oh. it's not possible for someone to get all of the BTC because they don't ever really handle the money. I mean, it is possible, if everyone sent all their money to the same person
408 2010-12-08 05:01:45 * Diablo-D3 just laughs at silly AAA_awright
409 2010-12-08 05:01:47 <AAA_awright> In the economic or financial sense
410 2010-12-08 05:01:56 <Diablo-D3> Ive connected to web servers in orbit of Earth
411 2010-12-08 05:02:03 <Diablo-D3> I'd hate to see the roaming charges on that
412 2010-12-08 05:02:17 <AAA_awright> That's billed by your ISP reguardless of website, Diablo-D3
413 2010-12-08 05:02:32 <andrew12> AAA_awright: did you know that you're wrong
414 2010-12-08 05:02:35 <AAA_awright> I'm talking for using the resources of a particular server
415 2010-12-08 05:02:41 <Diablo-D3> andrew12: he does and just doesnt give a fuck
416 2010-12-08 05:02:41 <andrew12> the internet is a network of networks
417 2010-12-08 05:02:49 <Diablo-D3> the internet is a series of tubes!
418 2010-12-08 05:02:54 <andrew12> lol
419 2010-12-08 05:03:05 <AAA_awright> What are you even talking about?
420 2010-12-08 05:03:07 <Diablo-D3> actually, that senator was close
421 2010-12-08 05:03:09 <Diablo-D3> its a series of boobs.
422 2010-12-08 05:03:19 <nelisky> gavinandresen: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2135.msg28023#msg28023
423 2010-12-08 05:03:20 <andrew12> the internet is the block chain
424 2010-12-08 05:03:30 <Diablo-D3> some big, some small, some perky
425 2010-12-08 05:03:34 <Diablo-D3> mmmm perky tits
426 2010-12-08 05:04:07 <AAA_awright> Diablo-D3: It would certainly be better than having massive pages for donations and ads
427 2010-12-08 05:04:34 <AAA_awright> Just because no one uses it doesn't mean no one wants it... anyone who wants it simply hasn't produced the product that needs it
428 2010-12-08 05:04:39 <Diablo-D3> now, of course, gigantic tits, those are great too
429 2010-12-08 05:04:42 <AAA_awright> What are you even arguing anyways?
430 2010-12-08 05:04:51 <Diablo-D3> you just bury your face in them and happily suffocate
431 2010-12-08 05:04:52 Zarutian has quit (Quit: Zarutian)
432 2010-12-08 05:05:39 <andrew12> suffocate happily ever after
433 2010-12-08 05:06:14 <andrew12> or suffocate ever after?
434 2010-12-08 05:06:21 <andrew12> happily ever suffocate
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436 2010-12-08 05:10:07 <AAA_awright> ...
437 2010-12-08 05:11:59 <Lysacor> ok, so the auto-erotic asphyxiation discussion is underway in dev chat :P
438 2010-12-08 05:12:54 <andrew12> :D
439 2010-12-08 05:16:01 Lysacor-dc has joined
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443 2010-12-08 05:20:35 <Diablo-D3> Lysacor: technically not auto-*
444 2010-12-08 05:20:42 <Diablo-D3> those boobs do belong to someone
445 2010-12-08 05:20:48 DELTA9 has joined
446 2010-12-08 05:21:38 <Lysacor> lol true
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449 2010-12-08 05:24:14 <Kiba> bitcoin...is the most rawest form of capitalism
450 2010-12-08 05:24:43 <echelon> :)
451 2010-12-08 05:25:36 <Lysacor> no regs, no problems... right? :P
452 2010-12-08 05:26:07 <Lysacor> just don't screw other people, and hope they follow the same unwritten rule
453 2010-12-08 05:28:58 <Kiba> Lysacor: yes.
454 2010-12-08 05:29:17 <Kiba> and you can't get society to raise hell to get back at that guy too
455 2010-12-08 05:29:21 <Kiba> so you gottach be responsible
456 2010-12-08 05:29:47 <Lysacor> Kiba: Karma, pure and simple
457 2010-12-08 05:33:01 <Kiba> the more complicated shit is how you deal with murderers..hmm
458 2010-12-08 05:33:24 <Kiba> at least on the internet, you don't have to
459 2010-12-08 05:38:55 <echelon> anyone interested in an assassination market?
460 2010-12-08 05:40:46 <Ry4an> Echelon: one imagine's it's inevitable, and at least the mechanics have all been worked out.
461 2010-12-08 05:42:38 <echelon> just need enough money in the bitcoin economy
462 2010-12-08 05:43:37 <echelon> right now most of the wealth is owned by ArtForz
463 2010-12-08 05:44:34 <nanotube> echelon: ArtForz doesn't own 'most of the wealth'. there are 4.8 million bitcoins in total, art has <50k coins, iirc.
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465 2010-12-08 05:46:01 <echelon> oh, i thought it was more
466 2010-12-08 05:46:04 <echelon> but that still doesn't change the fact that ArtForz has the capacity to have someone assassinated
467 2010-12-08 05:47:39 <donpdonp> roflcopter
468 2010-12-08 05:47:59 <nanotube> echelon: doubtful. you'd have to find someone who is willing to take bitcoins in exchange. :)
469 2010-12-08 05:48:12 <nanotube> it's probably easier to do a cash swap.
470 2010-12-08 05:48:52 <echelon> i guess :/
471 2010-12-08 05:49:28 <Lysacor> well, identify a mark, prepare a bounty, figure a way to insert a message into the block chain, wait for responses in subsequent blocks... profit!
472 2010-12-08 05:50:24 <Lysacor> ;;bc;calc
473 2010-12-08 05:50:24 <gribble> Error: "bc;calc" is not a valid command.
474 2010-12-08 05:50:36 <Lysacor> lol I don't know how to use that program :P
475 2010-12-08 05:50:44 <nanotube> what do you wanna do, Lysacor ?
476 2010-12-08 05:51:04 <nanotube> there's a guide to ,,gribble on the wiki
477 2010-12-08 05:51:05 <gribble> Here's a bitcoin wiki page about gribble: http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=gribble
478 2010-12-08 05:51:41 <Lysacor> cooless, thanks
479 2010-12-08 05:52:20 <Lysacor> ;;bc,calc 37000
480 2010-12-08 05:52:20 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 37000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 1 week, 3 days, 20 hours, 28 minutes, and 38 seconds
481 2010-12-08 05:53:07 <Lysacor> I need to get an ATi card eventually, but I don't wanna lose gpu generation in the pool...
482 2010-12-08 05:53:23 <Lysacor> probably will just rebuild and make this system a dedicated bitcoin hasher
483 2010-12-08 05:53:42 <Lysacor> ;;bc,mtgox
484 2010-12-08 05:53:42 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.2477,"low":0.1701,"vol":24889,"buy":0.22,"sell":0.2399,"last":0.22}}
485 2010-12-08 05:53:59 <Ry4an> so what sort of hashespersec do folks see w/ a good GPU?
486 2010-12-08 05:54:38 <Lysacor> AMD cards can get 150M-500M depending on the miner you use
487 2010-12-08 05:54:44 <nanotube> Ry4an: an ati 5970 gets about 630mhps, overclocked.
488 2010-12-08 05:54:45 <Lysacor> Mhash*
489 2010-12-08 05:55:06 <nanotube> a 5770, about 150
490 2010-12-08 05:55:08 <donpdonp> how many bytes long is one block?
491 2010-12-08 05:55:14 <Lysacor> 500 dollars... but the returns would be awesome
492 2010-12-08 05:55:21 <nanotube> donpdonp: depends on how many transactions there are in the block...
493 2010-12-08 05:55:36 <Lysacor> ;;bc,calc 630000
494 2010-12-08 05:55:36 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 630000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 15 hours, 17 minutes, and 52 seconds
495 2010-12-08 05:55:44 <donpdonp> nanotube: ah ok
496 2010-12-08 05:56:20 <Lysacor> hmmm the generation rate on that would pay for itself in a week or two of hashing potentially not counting eletrical costs
497 2010-12-08 05:56:28 <Lysacor> well... at current difficulty
498 2010-12-08 05:57:18 <nanotube> Lysacor: so... assuming difficulty stays (which it won't)... you need 500 usd, which at .25 usd per coin, you need 2000 coins, which means 40 blocks.
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500 2010-12-08 05:57:53 <nanotube> Lysacor: at 15 hours a block, it takes ,,(math calc 15/24*40) days
501 2010-12-08 05:57:54 <gribble> 25
502 2010-12-08 05:58:05 <nanotube> so... quite a bit more than a week or two. :)
503 2010-12-08 05:58:12 <nanotube> almost 4 weeks
504 2010-12-08 05:58:18 <Lysacor> ok a month, or more :P
505 2010-12-08 05:58:42 <nanotube> yea, with the next difficulty of ,,bc,estimate coming in a couple of days... more. :)
506 2010-12-08 05:58:43 <gribble> 12008.57188392
507 2010-12-08 05:58:51 <nanotube> wooo, >12k now
508 2010-12-08 05:58:59 <donpdonp> I can picture an ATI VP of Sales going "wow numbers are way up this quarter. people love gaming on our cards." heh
509 2010-12-08 05:59:11 <Lysacor> good god... there goes the big ones :P
510 2010-12-08 05:59:12 <Diablo-D3> lol
511 2010-12-08 05:59:17 <Diablo-D3> ITS OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!1
512 2010-12-08 05:59:46 <DemeGeek> I only have 96368 blocks :(
513 2010-12-08 05:59:47 <nanotube> donpdonp: haha yea... i don't know what the usual sales volume on the ATI 5970 usually is... but probably about 50-100 extra have been bought just for bitcoin...
514 2010-12-08 05:59:47 <donpdonp> ;;bc,stat
515 2010-12-08 05:59:48 <gribble> Error: "bc,stat" is not a valid command.
516 2010-12-08 06:00:01 <nanotube> donpdonp: append s
517 2010-12-08 06:00:04 <donpdonp> ;;bc,stats
518 2010-12-08 06:00:05 <nanotube> ;;bc,blocks
519 2010-12-08 06:00:07 <gribble> Current Blocks: 96369 | Current Difficulty: 8078.19525793 | Next Difficulty At Block: 96767 | Next Difficulty In: 398 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 20 hours, 36 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12012.26638474
520 2010-12-08 06:00:08 <gribble> 96369
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522 2010-12-08 06:00:16 <donpdonp> nanotube: thx i never remember that
523 2010-12-08 06:00:28 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,estimate 75000
524 2010-12-08 06:00:29 <gribble> 12012.26638474
525 2010-12-08 06:00:31 <nanotube> DemeGeek: looks like you have all of them (minus 1, which should be arriving any second now)
526 2010-12-08 06:00:32 <Diablo-D3> er
527 2010-12-08 06:00:32 <donpdonp> 12,000! booohooo!
528 2010-12-08 06:00:37 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,calc 7500
529 2010-12-08 06:00:37 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 7500 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 7 weeks, 4 days, 13 hours, 1 minute, and 17 seconds
530 2010-12-08 06:00:40 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,calc 75000
531 2010-12-08 06:00:40 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 75000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 5 days, 8 hours, 30 minutes, and 7 seconds
532 2010-12-08 06:00:44 <Diablo-D3> so bleh
533 2010-12-08 06:00:44 <DemeGeek> Checked again and have it,
534 2010-12-08 06:00:46 <Lysacor> imagine having 4 of those in a chassis, hashing away... wow...
535 2010-12-08 06:00:56 <Diablo-D3> Lysacor: or having 20.
536 2010-12-08 06:00:58 <Diablo-D3> like Art does
537 2010-12-08 06:00:59 <nanotube> donpdonp: have you seen the wiki page about ,,gribble ? that has all the commands...
538 2010-12-08 06:01:00 <gribble> Here's a bitcoin wiki page about gribble: http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=gribble
539 2010-12-08 06:01:19 <DemeGeek> ,,Diablo-D3
540 2010-12-08 06:01:20 <gribble> Error: "Diablo-D3" is not a valid command.
541 2010-12-08 06:01:38 <Lysacor> 20??? good god how did Art pull that off... wow he must have some cash to spare or something
542 2010-12-08 06:01:45 <donpdonp> ;;bc,nexttarget
543 2010-12-08 06:01:46 <gribble> 96767
544 2010-12-08 06:01:57 <Lysacor> or the BTC market has been especially kind to him
545 2010-12-08 06:02:06 <Diablo-D3> Lysacor: his cards paid for themselves
546 2010-12-08 06:02:28 <Lysacor> easily
547 2010-12-08 06:02:48 <DemeGeek> I am confused about how the bits and blocks work into an online currency
548 2010-12-08 06:04:47 <Lysacor> wow... now I wish I got into this early on :P
549 2010-12-08 06:05:01 <DemeGeek> Me too Lysacor
550 2010-12-08 06:05:05 <donpdonp> DemeGeek: there is a lot of relevant info in http://www.bitcoin.org/sites/default/files/bitcoin.pdf
551 2010-12-08 06:06:28 <Ry4an> DemeGeek: as I understand it the short answer is "the crypto provides an involatile, aritificial scarcity, and anytime you have something fungible, non-counterfitable, and scarce you have a currency"
552 2010-12-08 06:07:35 <DemeGeek> But Bills can be conterfited.
553 2010-12-08 06:07:54 <Ry4an> right, so they're not a very good currency. :)
554 2010-12-08 06:08:55 <joe_1> i see the price has rebounded back into the 20s today
555 2010-12-08 06:09:54 <DemeGeek> Isn't Crypto hackable as well?
556 2010-12-08 06:09:59 <Lysacor> pretty volatile, peaked at .24, definitely a trend developing, we will see where it goes
557 2010-12-08 06:11:21 <Lysacor> even if it is hackable, the rest of the network keeps a distributed database of the comings and goings on the network
558 2010-12-08 06:11:28 chaord has left ()
559 2010-12-08 06:11:46 <Lysacor> so one compromised node in theory cannot easily affect the others if I read it right
560 2010-12-08 06:12:22 <Lysacor> it might compromise one account, but all accounts on the network would be a much more difficult task
561 2010-12-08 06:13:24 <Lysacor> the only weakness is if the local PC's are compromised, and an application were written to interact with the bitcoin server/GUI and force a transfer of all BTC assets to another account, centralizing it to one account eventually
562 2010-12-08 06:14:18 <Lysacor> something like that I forsee could still endanger the network, but it would not bring it down unless it was done to every active node all at once, or distrubted through the block chain (wild imagination here)
563 2010-12-08 06:14:36 <Lysacor> or done gradually in a way no one easily noticed
564 2010-12-08 06:15:08 <DemeGeek> Lysacor, since crypto is involved why not after stealing BTC just keep sending it around fake accounts?
565 2010-12-08 06:16:08 <Lysacor> The potential intruder could also be a victim of his/her own intrusion
566 2010-12-08 06:16:40 <DemeGeek> How?
567 2010-12-08 06:16:49 <Lysacor> spread a disease, and you could eventually get it yourself
568 2010-12-08 06:17:01 <Lysacor> Someone figures it out on their own
569 2010-12-08 06:17:08 <Lysacor> and performs the same attach
570 2010-12-08 06:17:10 <Lysacor> attack
571 2010-12-08 06:17:15 nelisky has quit (Quit: nelisky)
572 2010-12-08 06:17:37 <Lysacor> regardless of the crypto involved, a compromised client is a compromised client
573 2010-12-08 06:18:20 <Lysacor> but, the compromise could be limited to the domain of operating systems it works on
574 2010-12-08 06:19:02 <Lysacor> considering though that the majority of PC's hashing today are using one of four different processing platforms (Intel, AMD, AMD Radeon, Nvidia GeForce)
575 2010-12-08 06:19:23 <Lysacor> Intel and AMD use a common instruction set in the x86 architecture
576 2010-12-08 06:20:03 <Lysacor> AMD Radeon, and Nvidia GeForce use a different instruction sets, but a common language in OpenCL
577 2010-12-08 06:20:06 <Diablo-D3> instruction set isnt really a meaningful comparison
578 2010-12-08 06:20:48 <DemeGeek> bc,calc 1470
579 2010-12-08 06:21:07 <Diablo-D3> Lysacor: and, arguably, opencl is an instruction set as well
580 2010-12-08 06:21:08 <DemeGeek> ;;bc,calc
581 2010-12-08 06:21:09 <gribble> (bc,calc <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo The average time to generate a block at $1 Khps, given current difficulty of [bc,diff], is [time elapsed [math calc 1/((2**224-1)/[bc,diff]*$1*1000/2**256)]]".
582 2010-12-08 06:21:21 <DemeGeek> ;;bc,calc 1470
583 2010-12-08 06:21:21 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1470 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 39 weeks, 0 days, 4 hours, 13 minutes, and 58 seconds
584 2010-12-08 06:21:33 <Lysacor> Diablo-D3: that may be, however compromising the way a particular instruction set works is possible, though extremely unlikely
585 2010-12-08 06:21:42 <Diablo-D3> Lysacor: C has been often called "portable assembly", and OpenCL's language is a minimal version of C
586 2010-12-08 06:23:30 <Lysacor> Diable-D3: I don't disagree with you at all, and my expertise in this area is limited, but would you agree with my assertions as I stated earlier, or is it just my own fantastical delusions?
587 2010-12-08 06:24:14 <Lysacor> wow I am mistyping a lot... I may need to go to bed soon :P
588 2010-12-08 06:25:18 <DemeGeek> You can generate BTC correct?
589 2010-12-08 06:25:34 <Diablo-D3> Lysacor: also
590 2010-12-08 06:25:41 <Diablo-D3> I WROTE A MINER
591 2010-12-08 06:25:43 <Diablo-D3> WHAHAHAAAAAAAA
592 2010-12-08 06:25:55 <DemeGeek> Did they reply yet?
593 2010-12-08 06:26:04 <Lysacor> LOL yep :P
594 2010-12-08 06:26:22 <Lysacor> DemeGeek: who?
595 2010-12-08 06:26:32 <DemeGeek> The miner.
596 2010-12-08 06:26:40 <DemeGeek> They have harsh jobs
597 2010-12-08 06:26:54 <DemeGeek> Hope you were nice to them in the letter
598 2010-12-08 06:27:23 <Lysacor> yeah... it was a wall of text, fair enough
599 2010-12-08 06:27:55 <Diablo-D3> http://www.youtube.com/user/Sp0ntanius#p/u/1/j51CIOcdFY0
600 2010-12-08 06:27:56 <Diablo-D3> fffffff
601 2010-12-08 06:29:32 <DemeGeek> Does it current'y cost $0.25 USD for 1 BTC?
602 2010-12-08 06:29:48 <Diablo-D3> http://www.youtube.com/user/Sp0ntanius#p/u/0/DcZ7OSE6z7s
603 2010-12-08 06:29:50 <Diablo-D3> triple ffff
604 2010-12-08 06:29:59 <Lysacor> ;;bc,mtgox
605 2010-12-08 06:29:59 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.2477,"low":0.1701,"vol":24889,"buy":0.22,"sell":0.225,"last":0.22}}
606 2010-12-08 06:30:29 <Lysacor> the market I generally use, mtgox, shows the last trade being around there
607 2010-12-08 06:30:50 <DemeGeek> How do you buy? Can you use paypal?
608 2010-12-08 06:31:00 <Lysacor> the charts I looked at show that the price at this stage could rise or fall, but I would say rise is more likely
609 2010-12-08 06:31:27 <Lysacor> you can wire, or use third-parties to get LibertyReserve dollars
610 2010-12-08 06:31:44 <Lysacor> I am not sure about the PP part though you could ask mtgox I am sure
611 2010-12-08 06:31:47 <Lysacor> www.mtgox.com
612 2010-12-08 06:32:55 <Lysacor> Diablo: That first video was a mind-bender, schweet
613 2010-12-08 06:33:06 <jgarzik> DemeGeek: you can negotiate PayPal on #bitcoin-otc (OTC == over the counter). you can buy with credit card at https://www.bitcoingateway.com/
614 2010-12-08 06:33:49 <jgarzik> DemeGeek: easiest is mtgox.com as Lysacor noted, but obtaining Liberty Reserve USD is difficult.
615 2010-12-08 06:34:28 <jgarzik> DemeGeek: other places like nanaimogold take Western Union or money order
616 2010-12-08 06:35:30 <DemeGeek> Do you know of any place that takes Canadian?
617 2010-12-08 06:35:37 <Diablo-D3> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWilSqYv8bI
618 2010-12-08 06:35:44 <Diablo-D3> you know whats wrong with this song?
619 2010-12-08 06:35:48 <Diablo-D3> vocals ruin it.
620 2010-12-08 06:36:21 <Lysacor> hmm lemme see
621 2010-12-08 06:37:01 <jgarzik> DemeGeek: Canadian post or cash deposit: http://www.nanaimo-gold.com/buy.php
622 2010-12-08 06:39:21 <davux> how would you, in python, wait for new transactions and react when there's one?
623 2010-12-08 06:40:17 <jgarzik> davux: with gavinandresen's monitor patches, you receive an HTTP request. in mainline bitcoin, nothing to do but poll repeatedly, and notice new output.
624 2010-12-08 06:40:55 <davux> jgarzik: do you have any more information about that?
625 2010-12-08 06:41:45 <jgarzik> davux: which "that"? :)
626 2010-12-08 06:43:59 <davux> about that feature
627 2010-12-08 06:44:38 <jgarzik> davux: which feature, (a) gavinandresen's monitor or (b) polling? I listed two.
628 2010-12-08 06:45:27 <davux> jgarzik: the monitor patches, sorry
629 2010-12-08 06:45:36 <davux> i'm a bit tired
630 2010-12-08 06:47:38 <jgarzik> davux: https://github.com/gavinandresen/bitcoin-git/tree/monitorreceived
631 2010-12-08 06:47:53 <jgarzik> davux: and a bit outdated forum post http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1319.0
632 2010-12-08 06:48:20 <davux> thanks
633 2010-12-08 06:48:25 <jgarzik> davux: that change will cause bitcoin to send an HTTP POST request to a specified HTTP server, with details on the transaction
634 2010-12-08 06:49:32 <Lysacor> Could someone remind me again if the ATi 5870 is a stable card for mining, and worth buying? or just stick with 5770 for value?
635 2010-12-08 06:50:08 <Diablo-D3> why wouldnt it be stable?
636 2010-12-08 06:50:23 <genjix> what's wrong with this command?
637 2010-12-08 06:50:40 <genjix> gpg --decrypt encryptedfile --output unencryptedfile.png
638 2010-12-08 06:50:50 <genjix> usage: gpg [options] --decrypt [filename]
639 2010-12-08 06:51:08 <jgarzik> Lysacor: it's stable, yes
640 2010-12-08 06:51:13 <Lysacor> not sure, each card has it's quirks from what some have said, I just don't want to spend money on a card that isn't going to perform decently (even though anything compared to what I have now would be an improvement...)
641 2010-12-08 06:52:43 <grifferz> genjix: the --output unencryptedfile.png needs to appear before the --decrypt encryptedfile
642 2010-12-08 06:52:49 <jgarzik> Lysacor: if you're spending money get a 59xx :)
643 2010-12-08 06:52:50 <genjix> aha thanks
644 2010-12-08 06:52:53 <genjix> :)
645 2010-12-08 06:53:40 <Lysacor> yeah... I will probably have to buckle down for one of those...
646 2010-12-08 06:54:50 <davux> jgarzik: thanks for the info â i don't think it's that usable in bitcoIM's context, but it'll probably be useful to know about that patche someday
647 2010-12-08 06:55:03 <davux> patch*
648 2010-12-08 06:56:42 <jgarzik> davux: then I guess you're polling with listreceivedbyaddress
649 2010-12-08 06:59:32 * jgarzik heads to bed
650 2010-12-08 07:01:03 <davux> yes it looks like the best approach
651 2010-12-08 07:03:58 <DemeGeek> Is Radeon any good for mining?
652 2010-12-08 07:06:06 <Lysacor> definitely it is
653 2010-12-08 07:06:16 <Lysacor> much faster than Nvidia cards
654 2010-12-08 07:06:40 <DemeGeek> I have an ATI and Radeon which should I use?
655 2010-12-08 07:06:59 <Lysacor> ATI makes the Radeon series
656 2010-12-08 07:07:04 <Lysacor> what model of Radeon card
657 2010-12-08 07:07:12 <OneFixt> ;;bc,stats
658 2010-12-08 07:07:13 <DemeGeek> 9550
659 2010-12-08 07:07:15 <gribble> Current Blocks: 96380 | Current Difficulty: 8078.19525793 | Next Difficulty At Block: 96767 | Next Difficulty In: 387 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 19 hours, 19 minutes, and 52 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12024.64271015
660 2010-12-08 07:07:47 <Lysacor> I don't know what that card puts out to be honest
661 2010-12-08 07:07:59 <Lysacor> if it is capable of mining, I am also unfamiliar
662 2010-12-08 07:08:09 <DemeGeek> 256 md DDR and 128-bit
663 2010-12-08 07:08:18 <Lysacor> anyone else have insight into that?
664 2010-12-08 07:09:12 <DemeGeek> guess I could try it and see if it blows up.
665 2010-12-08 07:10:30 <Lysacor> well it depends on if it supports ATi Stream SDK, or OpenCL
666 2010-12-08 07:10:48 <Lysacor> I just know ATI miners get huge numbers compared to Nvidia ones
667 2010-12-08 07:11:02 <Lysacor> CUDA versus Stream, you can read about it on the bitcoin forums
668 2010-12-08 07:15:17 <DemeGeek> I also have a MSI
669 2010-12-08 07:15:48 darrob has quit (Disconnected by services)
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671 2010-12-08 07:16:04 <Lysacor> MSI video card?
672 2010-12-08 07:16:16 <DemeGeek> yeah
673 2010-12-08 07:17:08 <Lysacor> what card is it?
674 2010-12-08 07:17:14 <Lysacor> what is the model?
675 2010-12-08 07:18:53 <DemeGeek> MS-8952
676 2010-12-08 07:19:22 <Lysacor> That won't mine sadly :(
677 2010-12-08 07:19:39 <Lysacor> if it did I would be surprised
678 2010-12-08 07:19:57 <DemeGeek> I was guessing it would be a little old
679 2010-12-08 07:20:35 kisom_dev has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
680 2010-12-08 07:20:37 <Lysacor> really the video cards that can mine are going to be PCI Express video cards, the ATI HD5xxx series is what most miners I have heard are running, except for the Nvidia holdouts like myself :)
681 2010-12-08 07:20:50 <Lysacor> then again I just started too
682 2010-12-08 07:20:55 <DemeGeek> All mine are AGP
683 2010-12-08 07:20:57 <Lysacor> so, I have little room to say much
684 2010-12-08 07:21:19 <Lysacor> yep, you might have a hard time mining on those
685 2010-12-08 07:21:30 <Lysacor> the other thing you could do is join a pooled mining effort
686 2010-12-08 07:21:39 <Lysacor> much easier to setup (windows or linux, doesn't matter)
687 2010-12-08 07:21:59 <DemeGeek> how does that work?
688 2010-12-08 07:22:02 <Lysacor> It allows you to combine the power of your processors, with those of the other pool members to create a faster pool
689 2010-12-08 07:22:21 <Lysacor> you share in the 50 Bitcoin reward if the pool solves the block first
690 2010-12-08 07:22:54 <Lysacor> read: http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/bitcoin-pool/
691 2010-12-08 07:23:08 <Lysacor> or here http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2027.0
692 2010-12-08 07:23:16 kisom_dev has joined
693 2010-12-08 07:23:35 <Lysacor> you just need to have an address for the pooling client to send to the server, so you can share in the bitcoins
694 2010-12-08 07:23:57 <Lysacor> you get a number of bitcoins based on the amount you contribute to the pool
695 2010-12-08 07:24:12 <Lysacor> it might not be that 50 full bitcoin amount, but it is something
696 2010-12-08 07:24:19 <genjix> ;;bc,blocks
697 2010-12-08 07:24:19 <gribble> 96382
698 2010-12-08 07:24:26 <genjix> ;;bc,mtgox
699 2010-12-08 07:24:26 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.2477,"low":0.1701,"vol":24920,"buy":0.225,"sell":0.2399,"last":0.2399}}
700 2010-12-08 07:24:40 <genjix> FUCK
701 2010-12-08 07:24:54 <Lysacor> yeah, it is rising
702 2010-12-08 07:25:02 <DemeGeek> JUst joined tghe pool with this pc
703 2010-12-08 07:25:02 <Lysacor> not a bad thing, unless you are looking to buy :P
704 2010-12-08 07:25:03 <genjix> i was waiting for bitcoin price to drop a little before buying :((((((((((
705 2010-12-08 07:25:13 <genjix> goddmit
706 2010-12-08 07:25:18 <DemeGeek> but it seems to be a windows thing.
707 2010-12-08 07:25:19 <Lysacor> nice! did you feed it your bitcoin address?
708 2010-12-08 07:25:25 <DemeGeek> yes
709 2010-12-08 07:25:35 <Lysacor> it has a windows and linux client
710 2010-12-08 07:25:39 <DemeGeek> I know how to do that much
711 2010-12-08 07:25:48 <Lysacor> the linux client you can compile
712 2010-12-08 07:25:59 <Lysacor> lol I didn't mean to patronize ya
713 2010-12-08 07:26:20 <Lysacor> if you have more than one core on your processor, you can run more than one miner on your computer
714 2010-12-08 07:26:25 <Lysacor> more than one pooling client
715 2010-12-08 07:26:31 <genjix> FreeMoney: you selling PS for BTC?
716 2010-12-08 07:27:11 <Lysacor> and make sure to use the same address for all of the pooling clients you control
717 2010-12-08 07:27:16 <genjix> i will do 0.2 for $500
718 2010-12-08 07:27:18 <DemeGeek> why?
719 2010-12-08 07:27:37 <Lysacor> because it is cumulative, it determines what you contribute based on the address it is sending the Bitcoins to
720 2010-12-08 07:28:18 <DemeGeek> Does Graphics Card still count for this type?
721 2010-12-08 07:28:18 <Lysacor> you can keep them all separate and give them different addresses if you want
722 2010-12-08 07:28:28 <Lysacor> but it makes it harder to calculate what you are going to get
723 2010-12-08 07:28:42 <Lysacor> Nvidia graphics cards can be used, but it is only half as fast
724 2010-12-08 07:28:52 <DemeGeek> 0.00556898 BTC so far for me
725 2010-12-08 07:29:02 <Lysacor> the total pool right now is processing as much as an average ATI card does by itself
726 2010-12-08 07:29:09 <Lysacor> it will rise
727 2010-12-08 07:29:13 <Lysacor> people connect and disconnect
728 2010-12-08 07:29:19 <Lysacor> their contributions vary
729 2010-12-08 07:29:30 <DemeGeek> I am gonna connect another of my pcs
730 2010-12-08 07:29:44 <Lysacor> connect them all if you want
731 2010-12-08 07:29:47 <Lysacor> the more the better
732 2010-12-08 07:30:12 <DemeGeek> Do you know if the client is portable? I could run it at school too then.
733 2010-12-08 07:30:13 <Lysacor> time to go to bed, go ahead and read more about it, defintiely a cool topic
734 2010-12-08 07:30:14 <Lysacor> cya later!
735 2010-12-08 07:30:24 <DemeGeek> cya!
736 2010-12-08 07:30:25 <Lysacor> yes
737 2010-12-08 07:30:26 <Lysacor> but
738 2010-12-08 07:30:29 <Lysacor> be careful
739 2010-12-08 07:30:44 <Lysacor> you are using other people's resources, and it uses 100 percent of the CPU
740 2010-12-08 07:30:47 <Lysacor> it WILL be noticed
741 2010-12-08 07:31:06 <Lysacor> I really wouldn't recommend putting it on computers where you don't have permission
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743 2010-12-08 07:33:00 <genjix> im buying 3k BTC in PokerStars USD if anyone is interested.
744 2010-12-08 07:38:43 <genjix> joe_1, nanotube ... anyone else?
745 2010-12-08 07:40:06 <joe_1> i dont have an account with them
746 2010-12-08 07:41:06 <genjix> bah :p
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749 2010-12-08 07:43:50 <joe_1> are you looking to get it into cashcow casino and play some roulette?
750 2010-12-08 07:45:12 <genjix> nah, just have more btc online
751 2010-12-08 07:45:37 <genjix> unless you want to play betco.in ... I have an hour to spare :p
752 2010-12-08 07:47:16 <joe_1> ok
753 2010-12-08 07:47:19 <joe_1> wat stakes
754 2010-12-08 07:48:22 <genjix> let me deposit first
755 2010-12-08 07:49:57 <joe_1> how much are you putting in
756 2010-12-08 07:50:01 <genjix> 90 btc
757 2010-12-08 07:53:07 <joe_1> how many confirmations does it need
758 2010-12-08 07:53:50 <genjix> i dont know
759 2010-12-08 07:54:04 <joe_1> 1 cause it just went in with 1
760 2010-12-08 07:54:07 <genjix> damn i have 20 btc in some account but i dont know the name
761 2010-12-08 07:54:19 <genjix> how can I get a list of my accounts?
762 2010-12-08 07:54:54 <joe_1> at betco.in?
763 2010-12-08 07:55:32 <genjix> nope with bitcoind
764 2010-12-08 07:55:35 <genjix> im using svn
765 2010-12-08 07:56:01 <genjix> and the new bitcoin has accounts. however there's no way to get a list of accounts that you have (yet)
766 2010-12-08 07:56:27 <genjix> and I've sent 20 btc to one of these accounts but forgotten the name. So my those 20 btc are locked up :p
767 2010-12-08 07:56:32 <joe_1> really? that sucks. may want to revert back to an old version that will give you access to all your money?
768 2010-12-08 07:56:59 <genjix> nope cos its a new feature.
769 2010-12-08 07:57:12 <genjix> lets just play .10-.25 then
770 2010-12-08 07:57:16 <genjix> 25 btc stacks
771 2010-12-08 07:58:10 <joe_1> ok i'm in cerrt
772 2010-12-08 08:00:49 <genjix> anyone else want to join us poker on betco.in
773 2010-12-08 08:02:31 brian has joined
774 2010-12-08 08:03:27 <genjix> lol wtf joe
775 2010-12-08 08:17:37 <OneFixt> ;;bc,stats
776 2010-12-08 08:17:40 <gribble> Current Blocks: 96393 | Current Difficulty: 8078.19525793 | Next Difficulty At Block: 96767 | Next Difficulty In: 374 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 17 hours, 48 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12045.11274146
777 2010-12-08 08:22:44 <DemeGeek> Mining is making money right?
778 2010-12-08 08:25:03 scibotic has joined
779 2010-12-08 08:28:45 <scibotic> Hi guys.
780 2010-12-08 08:33:59 <scibotic> So does Vekja still have a monopoly on anonymous hosting?
781 2010-12-08 08:50:53 DemeGeek has quit (Quit: Page closed)
782 2010-12-08 09:01:01 <FreeMoney> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1905.0
783 2010-12-08 09:01:10 <FreeMoney> at least one other guy
784 2010-12-08 09:02:15 darrob has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
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786 2010-12-08 09:04:40 FreeMoney has quit (Quit: Page closed)
787 2010-12-08 09:05:08 <doublec> ;;bc,calc 96000
788 2010-12-08 09:05:09 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 96000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 4 days, 4 hours, 23 minutes, and 32 seconds
789 2010-12-08 09:05:48 <roberthl> ;;bc,calc 4300
790 2010-12-08 09:05:49 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 4300 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 13 weeks, 2 days, 9 hours, 19 minutes, and 0 seconds
791 2010-12-08 09:06:34 <doublec> That next difficulty increase is going to extend the times somewhat
792 2010-12-08 09:13:18 darrob has joined
793 2010-12-08 09:14:36 <genjix> gg joe_1
794 2010-12-08 09:15:36 <genjix> ;;bc,blocks
795 2010-12-08 09:15:36 <gribble> 96402
796 2010-12-08 09:15:42 <genjix> ;;bc,help
797 2010-12-08 09:15:42 <gribble> Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,stats, Alias bc,timetonext, and Alias bc,totalbc
798 2010-12-08 09:15:51 <genjix> ;;bc,estimate
799 2010-12-08 09:15:51 <gribble> 12047.74821173
800 2010-12-08 09:16:01 <genjix> ;;bc,totalbc
801 2010-12-08 09:16:01 <gribble> 4820150.00000000
802 2010-12-08 09:19:09 <genjix> how can I get a list of all accounts associated with a wallet?
803 2010-12-08 09:20:22 <finnomenon> the entire transfer history will always exist and keep on groing, right?
804 2010-12-08 09:20:43 echelon has joined
805 2010-12-08 09:21:47 <joe_1> u2 genjix
806 2010-12-08 09:29:23 <doublec> genjix, can you not just send coins without an account?
807 2010-12-08 09:29:30 <genjix> no
808 2010-12-08 09:29:35 <doublec> genjix, or are coins in accounts 'special' and never used for sends?
809 2010-12-08 09:29:47 <genjix> in the new svn you can't do that
810 2010-12-08 09:29:51 <doublec> ugh
811 2010-12-08 09:30:00 <genjix> an account is like a separate bitcoin install
812 2010-12-08 09:30:21 <genjix> but when you do bitcoind getbalance then it shows all of your money from all accounts together
813 2010-12-08 09:30:49 <doublec> put some debug in getbalance that prints out the account name as it computes the balance?
814 2010-12-08 09:30:52 <genjix> but there's no way to find a list of all your accounts or to send money from each account
815 2010-12-08 09:30:59 <genjix> aha good idea
816 2010-12-08 09:33:46 nathan7 is now known as nathan7-1095
817 2010-12-08 09:34:07 nathan7-1095 is now known as nathan1095
818 2010-12-08 09:34:16 nathan1095 is now known as nathan7
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820 2010-12-08 09:42:50 <genjix> gavinandresen: im trying to make a patch to add json getlistaddresses... but it seems like the only way to get it is to loop through the list of addresses or transactions and check for unique accounts.
821 2010-12-08 09:44:25 <doublec> looks like it
822 2010-12-08 09:44:36 <genjix> ok thanks
823 2010-12-08 09:44:39 <doublec> that's probably why it hasn't been implemented yet :)
824 2010-12-08 09:50:18 <edcba> of course that's the only way :)
825 2010-12-08 09:50:24 darrob has joined
826 2010-12-08 09:50:54 <genjix> kk well ill hopefully have this patch done then
827 2010-12-08 10:06:05 uberjar has joined
828 2010-12-08 10:07:17 <uberjar> I wish wikileaks would start accepting bitcoin donations
829 2010-12-08 10:07:25 <uberjar> since all their other donation schemes seem to have failed
830 2010-12-08 10:07:25 <uberjar> heh
831 2010-12-08 10:08:06 <genjix> not wise
832 2010-12-08 10:08:16 <genjix> the satoshi spoke
833 2010-12-08 10:10:31 <genjix> how can I submit bitcoin patches?
834 2010-12-08 10:10:33 <genjix> doublec: ?
835 2010-12-08 10:10:42 <genjix> a diff
836 2010-12-08 10:10:46 <doublec> genjix, post in the forums with a diff attached
837 2010-12-08 10:10:57 <doublec> if you search the forums you'll see posts with [PATCH] in the title
838 2010-12-08 10:10:59 <genjix> ok to development
839 2010-12-08 10:11:04 <doublec> yes
840 2010-12-08 10:11:10 <genjix> thanks
841 2010-12-08 10:11:18 <genjix> how do i attach to posts?
842 2010-12-08 10:12:23 <doublec> hmmm, might not be able to. You might need to upload it somewhere and link to it.
843 2010-12-08 10:12:32 <doublec> oh wait
844 2010-12-08 10:12:36 <doublec> "Additional Options"
845 2010-12-08 10:12:37 <doublec> click on that
846 2010-12-08 10:12:54 <doublec> There's an 'attach' button when you do that
847 2010-12-08 10:13:12 [Noodles] has joined
848 2010-12-08 10:13:15 <genjix> oh ok thanks
849 2010-12-08 10:13:50 <genjix> heh, non-allowed file extension
850 2010-12-08 10:14:22 <doublec> .txt is allowed though
851 2010-12-08 10:14:37 <genjix> ah ok
852 2010-12-08 10:26:02 <genjix> ahh, I just submitted a patch and realised that listreceivedbyaccount does what I wanted
853 2010-12-08 10:26:26 darrob has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
854 2010-12-08 10:26:26 <genjix> no it doesn't actually :p
855 2010-12-08 10:27:06 <genjix> that's actually kind of useless- who wants to see how much they've received?
856 2010-12-08 10:34:01 <doublec> I use it to show total donations on one of my sites
857 2010-12-08 10:34:14 <doublec> even if I withdraw it still shows total actually received
858 2010-12-08 10:34:22 <doublec> (this uses labels - its pre-account)
859 2010-12-08 10:35:01 <genjix> :o
860 2010-12-08 10:35:08 <doublec> ;;bc,calc 135000
861 2010-12-08 10:35:10 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 135000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 2 days, 23 hours, 23 minutes, and 24 seconds
862 2010-12-08 10:35:30 * doublec hopes for the pool to generate a block before the difficulty goes up
863 2010-12-08 10:35:40 <genjix> are you selling btc for pokerstars?
864 2010-12-08 10:35:49 <[Noodles]> pools running contributed now, isnt it?
865 2010-12-08 10:36:04 <doublec> genjix, normally I could but i've sold most of my btc a few days ago
866 2010-12-08 10:36:09 <doublec> [Noodles], yes
867 2010-12-08 10:36:11 <genjix> shame
868 2010-12-08 10:36:13 <UukGoblin> hmm, I got a corsair AX850 PSU, it doesn't look as good as the Antec CP-1000
869 2010-12-08 10:36:20 <UukGoblin> and was 50% more expensive
870 2010-12-08 10:36:43 <doublec> genjix, have you been following the possible legal changes to poker in about two weeks?
871 2010-12-08 10:36:47 <UukGoblin> I didn't do any proper tests with them though, just the look & feel kinda comparison
872 2010-12-08 10:36:48 <genjix> yes
873 2010-12-08 10:36:50 <doublec> (For US players)
874 2010-12-08 10:36:55 Diablo-D3 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
875 2010-12-08 10:36:55 <genjix> this is great news for me
876 2010-12-08 10:37:05 <doublec> are you US based?
877 2010-12-08 10:37:08 <UukGoblin> oh, what's the change? /me curious too
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879 2010-12-08 10:37:27 <genjix> remeber I'm writing bitcoin poker?
880 2010-12-08 10:37:30 <doublec> UukGoblin, there's a bill to be introduced to make online poker legal and regulated
881 2010-12-08 10:37:37 <genjix> 15 month blackout
882 2010-12-08 10:37:37 <doublec> genjix, oh right, of course
883 2010-12-08 10:37:39 <doublec> yes
884 2010-12-08 10:37:49 <genjix> so no one can play online for 15 months
885 2010-12-08 10:37:58 <genjix> except through our software :)
886 2010-12-08 10:38:01 <doublec> to give newcomers (ie. casinos) a chance to get in
887 2010-12-08 10:38:04 <genjix> we're getting investors hopefully
888 2010-12-08 10:38:19 <genjix> if anyone wants to test, I run the stable server on #gondwana
889 2010-12-08 10:38:25 <genjix> #pangaea is the development channel
890 2010-12-08 10:38:27 <UukGoblin> doublec, presumably the gov are getting a cut on the rakes?
891 2010-12-08 10:38:34 <genjix> !help for help
892 2010-12-08 10:38:36 * UukGoblin wonders about bitcoins then ;-]
893 2010-12-08 10:38:37 <doublec> UukGoblin, I'm not sure how it'll work
894 2010-12-08 10:38:37 <genjix> UukGoblin: yes
895 2010-12-08 10:38:42 <finnomenon> wouldn't a massive influx of poker dollars make the bitcoin pretty expensive?
896 2010-12-08 10:38:55 darrob has joined
897 2010-12-08 10:38:58 <UukGoblin> kinda cool though, they finally came to their senses
898 2010-12-08 10:39:01 <genjix> yep but we've setup an exchange with a fixed rate
899 2010-12-08 10:39:05 <doublec> UukGoblin, it's bad for existing professional players as they will have trouble playing for 15 months
900 2010-12-08 10:39:17 <UukGoblin> oh? they're not allowed to /play/?
901 2010-12-08 10:39:22 <genjix> nope
902 2010-12-08 10:39:23 <doublec> correct
903 2010-12-08 10:39:27 <doublec> it becomes explicitly illegal
904 2010-12-08 10:39:29 <genjix> for 15 months
905 2010-12-08 10:39:38 <doublec> for 15 months
906 2010-12-08 10:39:41 <genjix> after that *maybe* they might legalise it.
907 2010-12-08 10:39:43 <UukGoblin> fuck. that's odd
908 2010-12-08 10:39:47 <UukGoblin> oh, right.
909 2010-12-08 10:39:48 <UukGoblin> maybe.
910 2010-12-08 10:40:01 <genjix> worst laws ever :p
911 2010-12-08 10:40:12 <doublec> and it's going to be a 'ride along' bill
912 2010-12-08 10:40:19 <doublec> that is, attached to a must-pass piece of legislation
913 2010-12-08 10:40:22 <genjix> https://github.com/genjix/kartludox/wiki/screenshot_minimal.png
914 2010-12-08 10:40:30 <genjix> our poker client. its free software
915 2010-12-08 10:40:33 <doublec> same way as the UIGEA got introduced
916 2010-12-08 10:40:42 <genjix> so if anyone wants to setup a room, then I'll help them.
917 2010-12-08 10:40:50 <doublec> genjix, very nice
918 2010-12-08 10:40:58 <genjix> thanks
919 2010-12-08 10:41:42 <genjix> best of all it will be rake-free
920 2010-12-08 10:41:51 <doublec> I'm unsure if non-US people will be allowed to play in the regulated US rooms
921 2010-12-08 10:41:59 <genjix> they won't.
922 2010-12-08 10:42:02 <doublec> It might be poker the French and Italian sites
923 2010-12-08 10:42:05 <doublec> which completely sucks
924 2010-12-08 10:42:05 <genjix> it will be like pokerstars.fr
925 2010-12-08 10:42:13 <doublec> yeah
926 2010-12-08 10:42:18 <genjix> i am glad though
927 2010-12-08 10:42:24 <genjix> because pokersites are criminal
928 2010-12-08 10:42:34 <genjix> the rake is insane and everything's so shady
929 2010-12-08 10:42:43 <genjix> if bitcoin poker came a reality then it'll be for the good
930 2010-12-08 10:42:46 <doublec> how will you make money if its rake free?
931 2010-12-08 10:43:00 <genjix> fund through donations
932 2010-12-08 10:43:03 <genjix> and if that doesn't work
933 2010-12-08 10:43:07 <doublec> you want gamblers to donate?
934 2010-12-08 10:43:09 <doublec> good luck
935 2010-12-08 10:43:16 <genjix> then charge the top 10 volume players the operating costs
936 2010-12-08 10:43:21 <doublec> maybe if the donation was tied to a lottery ;)
937 2010-12-08 10:43:23 <genjix> erm, professional players
938 2010-12-08 10:43:44 <doublec> Hah, it'll become a game where people try to be the 11th volume player
939 2010-12-08 10:43:46 <genjix> it's in their interests to maintain a rake free site where they can play against fish
940 2010-12-08 10:43:56 <genjix> also selling services
941 2010-12-08 10:44:11 <genjix> like if you want a custom client or to open your own branded room with branded software
942 2010-12-08 10:44:22 <genjix> i'll make the changes as long as they're GPL
943 2010-12-08 10:44:35 <genjix> but you can also make non-GPL clients too.
944 2010-12-08 10:45:09 <genjix> i want a kind of free poker thing. not so interested in making tons of money myself (although it's a bonus)
945 2010-12-08 10:45:12 <genjix> https://github.com/genjix/kartludox/wiki/Protocol-rfc
946 2010-12-08 10:45:19 <doublec> UukGoblin, http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/57/poker-legislation/reid-pushing-plan-legalize-u-s-online-gambling-summary-op-read-if-you-have-questions-930754/
947 2010-12-08 10:45:23 <genjix> that's my RFC for the protocol so far
948 2010-12-08 10:45:24 <doublec> UukGoblin, for more info
949 2010-12-08 10:46:13 <genjix> cliffnotes, http://pokerati.com/2010/12/03/reid-online-gambling-bill-inside-the-draftuigea-strengthened-foreign-sites-wanting-us-license-must-obey/
950 2010-12-08 10:46:59 <genjix> so if anyone here is interested in setting up a bitcoin poker room, then contact me.
951 2010-12-08 10:47:15 <UukGoblin> genjix, it's server-based, right? and you'll kindly host the servers?
952 2010-12-08 10:47:18 <UukGoblin> doublec, thanks
953 2010-12-08 10:47:32 <genjix> no you host, I provide software.
954 2010-12-08 10:48:16 <UukGoblin> and I presume the players have to trust the server?
955 2010-12-08 10:48:24 <genjix> yes
956 2010-12-08 10:48:42 <UukGoblin> hippich (or whatshisname) made his betco.in software available
957 2010-12-08 10:48:53 <UukGoblin> it was a bit buggy though
958 2010-12-08 10:48:59 <genjix> i know
959 2010-12-08 10:49:07 <genjix> it's based off the old poker server software
960 2010-12-08 10:49:10 <genjix> poker-network
961 2010-12-08 10:49:13 <genjix> but it's shit.
962 2010-12-08 10:49:27 <genjix> my protocol is the best.
963 2010-12-08 10:49:40 <UukGoblin> 'course it is
964 2010-12-08 10:49:46 <genjix> it runs over IRC so it's federated. I can show you now if you want.
965 2010-12-08 10:49:58 <UukGoblin> oh
966 2010-12-08 10:50:03 <UukGoblin> psyc is cool for stuff like that too
967 2010-12-08 10:50:14 <UukGoblin> does it have an IRC frontend interface as an option? :-O
968 2010-12-08 10:50:24 <genjix> yep join #gondwana
969 2010-12-08 10:54:34 <jaromil> for a running PSYC setup and links to web frontends and other software see http://hinezumi.im
970 2010-12-08 10:55:33 <genjix> hey jaromil
971 2010-12-08 10:55:46 <genjix> jaromil: hinezumi doesn't let me login with my nickname genjix
972 2010-12-08 10:56:14 <genjix> the reason I've made it so verbose in irc is because I want it to be easy to build clients
973 2010-12-08 10:56:25 <doublec> what is psyc?
974 2010-12-08 10:57:17 * doublec googles
975 2010-12-08 10:57:33 <genjix> it's like a universal gateway for lots of protocols
976 2010-12-08 10:57:34 <doublec> ooh, interesting
977 2010-12-08 10:57:36 <genjix> a bridge
978 2010-12-08 11:01:18 <doublec> genjix, what language did you use to write the server?
979 2010-12-08 11:01:39 <genjix> https://github.com/genjix/kartludox/tree/master/serv
980 2010-12-08 11:01:44 <UukGoblin> genjix, you will have problems with flooding
981 2010-12-08 11:01:56 <UukGoblin> genjix, if you want to make it easy, make it send JSON ;-)
982 2010-12-08 11:02:00 <UukGoblin> people can read JSON
983 2010-12-08 11:02:03 <finnomenon> easy to build clients = easy to build bots?
984 2010-12-08 11:02:20 <jaromil> doublec: for the theory behind: http://psyc.eu
985 2010-12-08 11:02:43 <jaromil> it's also a "push" approach to news distribution as opposed to the pull approach of RSS
986 2010-12-08 11:03:00 <jaromil> so it has programmable room publication to protocols like JSON
987 2010-12-08 11:03:24 <doublec> jaromil, thanks. are you involved in development?
988 2010-12-08 11:03:27 <jaromil> you can use normal IRC bots on it, but you can also program rooms in a simil-C language
989 2010-12-08 11:03:28 <genjix> UukGoblin: what if the irc server has flood control though?
990 2010-12-08 11:03:42 <UukGoblin> genjix, well, if it does, that's OK
991 2010-12-08 11:03:57 <UukGoblin> not all of them do though, depends which one will get used
992 2010-12-08 11:04:04 <jaromil> doublec: i'm a user, i know developers and admin the hinezumi instance, but i couldn't contribute to its code so far
993 2010-12-08 11:04:18 <jaromil> admin is a big word, i'm not even the only one there
994 2010-12-08 11:04:45 <jaromil> we were trying to get its development into google summer of code, to have some money to continue, but nada
995 2010-12-08 11:05:29 <jaromil> did you register your nickname already and forgot the pass? i've seen you on the server...
996 2010-12-08 11:06:27 <doublec> jaromil, me? Not that I recall.
997 2010-12-08 11:07:20 Keefe has joined
998 2010-12-08 11:07:53 <doublec> ;;bc,calc 150000
999 2010-12-08 11:07:54 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 150000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 2 days, 16 hours, 15 minutes, and 3 seconds
1000 2010-12-08 11:08:04 <genjix> UukGoblin: although also adding JSON is easy
1001 2010-12-08 11:11:51 Sofox has joined
1002 2010-12-08 11:19:22 <genjix> jaromil: [11:12] [Notice] -hinezumi.im- This person is already connected.
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1006 2010-12-08 11:24:18 <andrew12[]> er
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1011 2010-12-08 11:41:08 <[Noodles]> ;;bc, stats
1012 2010-12-08 11:41:08 <gribble> Error: "bc," is not a valid command.
1013 2010-12-08 11:41:15 <MT`AwAy> [Noodles]: without the space
1014 2010-12-08 11:41:23 <[Noodles]> ;;bc,stats
1015 2010-12-08 11:41:26 <gribble> Current Blocks: 96418 | Current Difficulty: 8078.19525793 | Next Difficulty At Block: 96767 | Next Difficulty In: 349 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 15 hours, 5 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12018.41773002
1016 2010-12-08 11:41:35 <[Noodles]> 12k, geez
1017 2010-12-08 11:42:21 rli has joined
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1019 2010-12-08 11:42:46 <[Noodles]> 10.12blocks/hr and still growing
1020 2010-12-08 11:43:44 <MT`AwAy> growing difficulty is a good thing, it'd be better if cpu power was more distributed
1021 2010-12-08 11:44:11 echelon has joined
1022 2010-12-08 11:46:11 <[Noodles]> well, it's up to the users, to hook up more power, isnt it? some do, some don't
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1025 2010-12-08 12:02:41 <jaromil> genjix: yes i see you connected on hinezumi
1026 2010-12-08 12:02:49 <jaromil> doublec: no i was meaning gengjix
1027 2010-12-08 12:02:52 <jaromil> sry i'm in a meeting...
1028 2010-12-08 12:03:32 <genjix> jaromil: except im not connect now
1029 2010-12-08 12:03:35 jackmcbarn has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
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1031 2010-12-08 12:04:15 <jaromil> ack
1032 2010-12-08 12:08:59 jackmcbarn has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
1033 2010-12-08 12:11:57 <doublec> ;;bc,stats
1034 2010-12-08 12:11:59 <gribble> Current Blocks: 96418 | Current Difficulty: 8078.19525793 | Next Difficulty At Block: 96767 | Next Difficulty In: 349 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 15 hours, 5 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12018.41773002
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1039 2010-12-08 12:56:26 <TheAncientGoat> Anyone from the mining pool here?
1040 2010-12-08 12:56:46 <[Noodles]> i'm all wet
1041 2010-12-08 12:56:55 <TheAncientGoat> :P
1042 2010-12-08 12:57:00 <[Noodles]> ^.^
1043 2010-12-08 12:58:23 <TheAncientGoat> Running with Cuda?
1044 2010-12-08 12:58:37 <[Noodles]> yep
1045 2010-12-08 12:59:09 <TheAncientGoat> On windows or linux?
1046 2010-12-08 12:59:15 <[Noodles]> win7
1047 2010-12-08 12:59:38 <TheAncientGoat> darnit, trying to get the cuda code to compile on linux, but there aren't really any instructions
1048 2010-12-08 13:08:13 <TheAncientGoat> Oh wait, I see
1049 2010-12-08 13:18:17 <[Noodles]> so, got it to work?
1050 2010-12-08 13:19:42 <[Noodles]> it's still in an experimental state anyway, superslow compared to standalone and burns CPU too
1051 2010-12-08 13:26:01 <TheAncientGoat> Nope, I have to install new drivers and the entire sdk which is huge
1052 2010-12-08 13:27:52 pr0wler has joined
1053 2010-12-08 13:32:42 <andrew12> ffffffffffffff
1054 2010-12-08 13:40:36 nelisky has joined
1055 2010-12-08 13:43:03 Zarutian has joined
1056 2010-12-08 13:59:13 <LobsterMan> www.mastercard.com
1057 2010-12-08 13:59:15 <LobsterMan> it's down
1058 2010-12-08 13:59:25 <MT`AwAy> :D
1059 2010-12-08 13:59:36 <MT`AwAy> mastercard has decided to stop donations to wikileaks
1060 2010-12-08 13:59:39 <MT`AwAy> it may be related
1061 2010-12-08 14:00:44 <scibotic> Lol
1062 2010-12-08 14:02:07 <LobsterMan> likely
1063 2010-12-08 14:02:11 <LobsterMan> +1 anonymous
1064 2010-12-08 14:03:01 <scibotic> :<
1065 2010-12-08 14:04:45 <finnomenon> could the BTC economy handle it if wikileaks decided to accept bitcoins?
1066 2010-12-08 14:04:58 <MT`AwAy> finnomenon: they said no
1067 2010-12-08 14:05:13 <finnomenon> wikileaks?
1068 2010-12-08 14:05:23 <MT`AwAy> yep
1069 2010-12-08 14:05:26 <MT`AwAy> too young/unreliable/etc
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1071 2010-12-08 14:10:32 <finnomenon> MT`AwAy: do you think BTC would have been able to cope with it?
1072 2010-12-08 14:10:46 <MT`AwAy> finnomenon: for now there's not enough exchange points
1073 2010-12-08 14:11:05 <MT`AwAy> if wikileaks accepts btc, there's a handful of websites to get closed to make btc non-exchangeable
1074 2010-12-08 14:11:16 <LobsterMan> irc.anonops.net #operationpayback
1075 2010-12-08 14:14:01 <[Noodles]> well, exchanges could be set up through TOR, i2p and such, but even if, the btc-economy is just to small, i'd think wikileaks needs some real money, our biggest bounty so far is about 2500bucks, petty cash for WL
1076 2010-12-08 14:15:09 <[Noodles]> eceonomy isnt even 1million-usd, if lots of btc are sold, we've seen it yesterday
1077 2010-12-08 14:17:18 <MT`AwAy> [Noodles]: anyway it was a wise answer from wikileaks to say "no"
1078 2010-12-08 14:17:23 <MT`AwAy> maybe in a few years it'll be possible
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1080 2010-12-08 14:18:49 <[Noodles]> hopefully, until then let's just aim a bit lower ^.^
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1082 2010-12-08 14:33:25 <gavinandresen> Good morning bit-people.
1083 2010-12-08 14:34:38 * [Noodles] waves: hey gavin
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1086 2010-12-08 14:42:05 <genjix> hello bit-man
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1096 2010-12-08 16:04:40 <schmooo> I am mining on my GPUs and CPU at the same time. :D
1097 2010-12-08 16:04:55 <schmooo> Getting 95000khash/s :)
1098 2010-12-08 16:07:30 <nanotube> ;;bc,calc 95000
1099 2010-12-08 16:07:30 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 95000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 4 days, 5 hours, 26 minutes, and 56 seconds
1100 2010-12-08 16:07:34 <nanotube> not too shabby. :)
1101 2010-12-08 16:07:49 <schmooo> yeah pretty happy.
1102 2010-12-08 16:08:04 <schmooo> http://upload.mindfuzz.net/files/mining.png
1103 2010-12-08 16:08:31 <schmooo> Slower here 'cause it's not overclocked in this screenshot.
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1105 2010-12-08 16:11:30 <[Noodles]> try jgarzik's cpu-miner with the 4way-algo, might speed up your cpu a bit
1106 2010-12-08 16:11:37 <tcatm> http://bitcoincharts.com/media/stuff/gpus.png :)
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1108 2010-12-08 16:13:33 <[Noodles]> nice ^.^
1109 2010-12-08 16:13:55 <schmooo> Nice.
1110 2010-12-08 16:14:04 <schmooo> [Noodles]: I will give that a go :D
1111 2010-12-08 16:15:15 <tcatm> ;;bc,calc 295000
1112 2010-12-08 16:15:15 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 295000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 1 day, 8 hours, 40 minutes, and 12 seconds
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1114 2010-12-08 16:17:47 <nanotube> ;;bc,stats
1115 2010-12-08 16:17:49 <gribble> Current Blocks: 96457 | Current Difficulty: 8078.19525793 | Next Difficulty At Block: 96767 | Next Difficulty In: 310 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 10 hours, 48 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11987.95806491
1116 2010-12-08 16:18:05 <nanotube> not too long until next difficulty. :)
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1118 2010-12-08 16:18:55 <[Noodles]> +50% it seems
1119 2010-12-08 16:19:05 <[Noodles]> ;;bc,calc 120000
1120 2010-12-08 16:19:05 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 120000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 3 days, 8 hours, 18 minutes, and 49 seconds
1121 2010-12-08 16:20:35 <[Noodles]> ;;bc,calc 300000
1122 2010-12-08 16:20:36 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 300000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 1 day, 8 hours, 7 minutes, and 31 seconds
1123 2010-12-08 16:21:37 <Keefe> ;;bc,calc 1940000
1124 2010-12-08 16:21:37 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1940000 Khps, given current difficulty of 8078.19525793 , is 4 hours, 58 minutes, and 4 seconds
1125 2010-12-08 16:22:36 <davux> I have an ATI Radeon Mobility M6 LY, what GPU miner should I use on Linux?
1126 2010-12-08 16:22:53 <Keefe> sounds old...
1127 2010-12-08 16:23:08 <davux> it is :)
1128 2010-12-08 16:23:21 <Keefe> probably can't do opencl then
1129 2010-12-08 16:23:48 <tcatm> Yup. No OpenCL on that card...
1130 2010-12-08 16:23:55 <schmooo> One of my GPUs is 90oC... o.O
1131 2010-12-08 16:24:17 <tcatm> schmooo: That's critical. You should really cool them better.
1132 2010-12-08 16:24:47 <davux> what other solution do I have?
1133 2010-12-08 16:24:58 <schmooo> mm they're gtx 460s. Thermal limit of about 110oC, even then probably safe till about 115oC.
1134 2010-12-08 16:25:05 <tcatm> davux: Get a recent GPU :)
1135 2010-12-08 16:25:14 <schmooo> It is very hot yes, but it's the bottom card of SLI.
1136 2010-12-08 16:25:21 <schmooo> Top card is at 78oC.
1137 2010-12-08 16:25:27 <davux> the problem is I only have a laptop
1138 2010-12-08 16:25:35 <tcatm> schmooo: Can you measure VRM temperature?
1139 2010-12-08 16:25:35 <Keefe> davux: you need at least something in the HD series
1140 2010-12-08 16:25:52 <schmooo> tcatm: No.
1141 2010-12-08 16:26:09 <tcatm> It's likely higher than GPU temperature.
1142 2010-12-08 16:26:36 <schmooo> yeah especially since these cards are the Palit's without the vram heatsink.
1143 2010-12-08 16:27:06 <schmooo> Might give them a bit of a rest...
1144 2010-12-08 16:28:23 <Keefe> davux: actually, it appears you need at least HD 4xxx or better
1145 2010-12-08 16:29:31 <davux> :/
1146 2010-12-08 16:29:45 <davux> ok so i guess i won't mine anytime soon
1147 2010-12-08 16:31:56 <Keefe> a gpu as old as yours wouldn't be any better than your cpu, even if ati had made it capable of gpgpu (opencl)
1148 2010-12-08 16:32:32 <Keefe> it's only in the last few years that the concept of gpgpu has taken off
1149 2010-12-08 16:33:23 <MT`AwAy> (unrelated to bitcoins but to wikileaks) I just received an email with a link to http://act.demandprogress.org/act/wikileaks/ ~
1150 2010-12-08 16:38:08 <genjix> lol petitions do nothing
1151 2010-12-08 16:38:31 <genjix> we are hackers. we have power.
1152 2010-12-08 16:38:38 <MT`AwAy> costs nothing to try
1153 2010-12-08 16:39:21 <[Noodles]> can't donate in bitcoins, go write a letter to demandprogress
1154 2010-12-08 16:40:36 <NOTtheMessiah> I can't imagine Joe's bill making it past the courts.
1155 2010-12-08 16:43:34 <Ry4an> It will. They'll get major media support by explicitly whitelisting a few papers that can still sway opinion and they're support it to gain a competitive advantage.
1156 2010-12-08 16:47:01 <genjix> gavinandresen: did you see my patch?
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1158 2010-12-08 16:48:49 <genjix> MT`AwAy: i have a friend that wants to make a site to do with an alternate currency scheme based on exchanging services.
1159 2010-12-08 16:49:06 <MT`AwAy> genjix: ?
1160 2010-12-08 16:49:36 <genjix> he was asking about cheap VPS... you think you can offer him anything?
1161 2010-12-08 16:49:46 <MT`AwAy> genjix: need to know more first
1162 2010-12-08 16:49:58 <MT`AwAy> (and if he's OK to promote kalyhost too)
1163 2010-12-08 16:49:59 <genjix> ok do you have an email. I'll put him in touch with you
1164 2010-12-08 16:50:14 <MT`AwAy> genjix: sent by notice
1165 2010-12-08 16:50:32 <genjix> cool how do you do that?
1166 2010-12-08 16:50:40 <MT`AwAy> on irc: /notice nickname message
1167 2010-12-08 16:50:48 <genjix> heh figures
1168 2010-12-08 16:51:15 <MT`AwAy> notices is the elegent way to send a private message to someone without opening a chat
1169 2010-12-08 16:51:18 <davux> it would be great to have a listnewtransactions <txid> JSONRPC method: would return all new transactions since txid
1170 2010-12-08 16:51:48 <MT`AwAy> davux: you can post this on my forum so I remember it :p
1171 2010-12-08 16:52:02 <davux> MT`AwAy: sure I will
1172 2010-12-08 16:52:21 <finnomenon> if all transactions are stored, what keeps bitcoins useable for people with slow connections in 5 years?
1173 2010-12-08 16:52:39 <genjix> davux: pay me btc and i'll make you a patch
1174 2010-12-08 16:52:42 <MT`AwAy> finnomenon: we'll have to think of something by then
1175 2010-12-08 16:52:50 <genjix> :)
1176 2010-12-08 16:52:51 <finnomenon> the data every client needs in order to work is going to keep groing, right?
1177 2010-12-08 16:53:04 <MT`AwAy> finnomenon: yep
1178 2010-12-08 16:53:12 <davux> or maybe <txid> can be an additional argument to listtransactions
1179 2010-12-08 16:53:21 <MT`AwAy> it will grow even faster if more people use bitcoin
1180 2010-12-08 16:53:28 <[Noodles]> you dont need the data to use MyBitcoin, some ligh-weight clients might be available by then
1181 2010-12-08 16:53:58 <finnomenon> that also makes the system susceptible to people trying to disturb it
1182 2010-12-08 16:54:04 <finnomenon> ah, ok
1183 2010-12-08 16:54:11 <MT`AwAy> [Noodles]: I'm already thinking of this kind of thing
1184 2010-12-08 16:54:30 <MT`AwAy> server handles the chain, client handles the wallet and generate outgoing transactions, and only receive the transactions it needs from the server
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1186 2010-12-08 16:54:55 <[Noodles]> think you can do it within 5years? ^.~
1187 2010-12-08 16:55:05 <MT`AwAy> [Noodles]: yeah, of course
1188 2010-12-08 16:55:06 <MT`AwAy> :)
1189 2010-12-08 16:55:13 <MT`AwAy> will be great for mobile devices too
1190 2010-12-08 16:55:31 <finnomenon> since right now somebody could set up scripts that generates many transactions a minute with another one of their wallets
1191 2010-12-08 16:55:33 <MT`AwAy> just need a server you can trust (and even if you don't, the server can't send bitcoins on your behalf)
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1194 2010-12-08 16:55:53 <MT`AwAy> finnomenon: they could generate many transactions within the same wallet
1195 2010-12-08 16:56:07 <finnomenon> ah, I didn't think of that
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1198 2010-12-08 16:57:34 <genjix> people say it won't always be free to send tiny amount
1199 2010-12-08 16:57:49 <genjix> i think that's wrong... at worse it might just be very slow
1200 2010-12-08 16:57:49 <finnomenon> I hope it will be possible to keep it free
1201 2010-12-08 16:58:06 <genjix> yep should be possible
1202 2010-12-08 16:58:29 <MT`AwAy> I think chains will in priority include higher amount transactions
1203 2010-12-08 16:58:54 <finnomenon> sounds good
1204 2010-12-08 16:59:01 <MT`AwAy> (at least my system will)
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1206 2010-12-08 17:00:19 <genjix> generating should be on by default in the clients
1207 2010-12-08 17:00:23 <genjix> and run at 10% speed
1208 2010-12-08 17:00:59 <MT`AwAy> genjix: nah, generating may have some really bad impact on some hosts, even at 10%
1209 2010-12-08 17:01:18 <genjix> they can always turn it off
1210 2010-12-08 17:01:47 <MT`AwAy> if they are intelligent enough
1211 2010-12-08 17:01:53 <genjix> i would generate but it makes my laptop go crazy
1212 2010-12-08 17:02:16 <finnomenon> I would generate but my average block would take 5 years
1213 2010-12-08 17:02:41 <genjix> fuckisnfdkfdk gpu miners :p
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1215 2010-12-08 17:04:23 <MT`AwAy> right now I'm writing the base for the wallet binary in qbitcoin :)
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1218 2010-12-08 17:07:06 <gavinandresen> genjix: Sorry, was afk. Yup, saw your patch; listaccounts is high on the list of RPC features to implement next.
1219 2010-12-08 17:07:21 <genjix> cool
1220 2010-12-08 17:08:18 <gavinandresen> genjix: By the way... my python bitcointools has an --accounts flag that'll dig out the account names from the wallet. I think your patch misses accounts that are destinations of "move" that haven't received any coins yet
1221 2010-12-08 17:08:27 <davux> MT`AwAy: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2151.0
1222 2010-12-08 17:09:16 <genjix> not sure what that is.
1223 2010-12-08 17:09:37 <genjix> ah this move command is very useful!
1224 2010-12-08 17:09:43 <gavinandresen> genjix: For example: ./bitcoind move ACCOUNT1 ACCOUNT2 50 ....
1225 2010-12-08 17:09:46 <genjix> i've been sending coins to myself before :p
1226 2010-12-08 17:10:10 <gavinandresen> genjix: your patch won't list ACCOUNT2 if there's no address associated with it (which there might not be)
1227 2010-12-08 17:10:28 <davux> genjix: what's a possible use of moving coins from one account to another?
1228 2010-12-08 17:10:53 <gavinandresen> I'm using move with ClearCoin to keep track of fees paid-- I move the coins to a FEES account.
1229 2010-12-08 17:10:58 <genjix> davux: this is the problem I had was lots of coins spread over many diferent accounts
1230 2010-12-08 17:11:17 <genjix> davux: and when you want to send coins you *must* specify an account
1231 2010-12-08 17:11:30 <genjix> so if I have 10 btc in 3 accounts then it's a pain in the ass
1232 2010-12-08 17:11:39 <davux> genjix: what about sendtoaddress?
1233 2010-12-08 17:11:43 <gavinandresen> genjix: actually, you can still use sendtoaddress
1234 2010-12-08 17:12:05 <genjix> ah i didnt know. i asked about this on the forums and irc :p
1235 2010-12-08 17:12:07 <genjix> nice
1236 2010-12-08 17:12:15 <davux> genjix: http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=api
1237 2010-12-08 17:12:32 <genjix> yep i use bitcoind help but somehow missed that
1238 2010-12-08 17:12:49 <gavinandresen> genjix: sendfrom '' is also allowed to "go negative" -- you can always send from that account, if you have enough coins in your wallet.
1239 2010-12-08 17:13:05 <davux> gavinandresen: really?
1240 2010-12-08 17:13:09 <gavinandresen> Yup
1241 2010-12-08 17:13:11 <genjix> thats weird
1242 2010-12-08 17:13:28 <davux> so that it will "steal" from other accounts if the one you want to use doesn't have the coins?
1243 2010-12-08 17:13:38 <gavinandresen> sendfrom '' == sendtoaddress : Every send has to be debited from SOME account
1244 2010-12-08 17:14:03 <genjix> that sounds undesireable
1245 2010-12-08 17:14:16 <davux> it could just assume there's not enough coins and fail, just like when you don't have enough coins in your wallet
1246 2010-12-08 17:14:34 <gavinandresen> The rule is: Sum(all account balances) == wallet balance
1247 2010-12-08 17:14:45 <davux> or at least accept an option to control that behaviour
1248 2010-12-08 17:14:53 <gavinandresen> So if I had 100 coins in ACCOUNT1, and I sendtoaddress 100 coins...
1249 2010-12-08 17:15:15 <gavinandresen> Balances would be: ACCOUNT1: 100, empty-string-account: -100
1250 2010-12-08 17:15:55 <davux> if you use sendtoaddress it's another matter, but I thought we were talking about sendfrom
1251 2010-12-08 17:16:12 <gavinandresen> davux: sendfrom '
1252 2010-12-08 17:16:23 <gavinandresen> davux: sendfrom '' == sendtoaddress
1253 2010-12-08 17:16:43 <gavinandresen> If you don't want that behavior, never sendtoaddress and never sendfrom ''
1254 2010-12-08 17:17:08 <davux> gavinandresen: oh, sorry, I didn't notice the '' in your initial statement
1255 2010-12-08 17:17:17 <gavinandresen> I've actually been tempted to create/experiment with a patch that disables both sendtoaddress and sendfrom ''
1256 2010-12-08 17:17:47 <davux> so sendfrom foo is *not* allowed to take coins from another account, right?
1257 2010-12-08 17:17:49 <gavinandresen> (note the '' empty-string-account at the end of that last message....)
1258 2010-12-08 17:17:51 <genjix> please don't :p sendtoaddress from all accounts is very useful
1259 2010-12-08 17:18:07 <gavinandresen> davux: right, sendfrom foo will fail if account foo doesn't have enough coins.... EXCEPT:
1260 2010-12-08 17:18:08 <genjix> i thought '' was just another account
1261 2010-12-08 17:18:24 <genjix> so it seems kind of weird that '' is treated as a special case
1262 2010-12-08 17:18:32 <gavinandresen> ... if the sendfrom generates a transaction fee, the 'foo' account may go negative.
1263 2010-12-08 17:18:44 <davux> gavinandresen: fair enough
1264 2010-12-08 17:18:58 <davux> what's the tx fee rule?
1265 2010-12-08 17:19:07 <gavinandresen> genjix: agreed, it is weird.
1266 2010-12-08 17:19:08 <genjix> are fees only generated when you allow a transaction to have a fee?
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1268 2010-12-08 17:20:17 <gavinandresen> Transaction fee rule is: sendfrom ACCT N will always succeed if the account has N or more coins in it.
1269 2010-12-08 17:20:28 <gavinandresen> ... and transaction fees are always charged to the account.
1270 2010-12-08 17:20:56 <gavinandresen> genjix: no, you can't control when fees are generated, and right now there's now to say
1271 2010-12-08 17:21:03 <gavinandresen> "don't send if there will be fees"
1272 2010-12-08 17:21:04 <davux> *after* the "N or more coins" rule is evaluated
1273 2010-12-08 17:21:24 <genjix> but i dont want to pay fees for sending bitcoins
1274 2010-12-08 17:21:38 <gavinandresen> davux: yup. So if account contains N coins, and there F in fees, then after the send account balance would be -F
1275 2010-12-08 17:21:55 <gavinandresen> genjix: generally you won't.
1276 2010-12-08 17:22:01 <nanotube> gavinandresen: somehow i was pretty sure it was up to the client whether to send a fee or not...?
1277 2010-12-08 17:22:33 <gavinandresen> nanotube: mostly.... but if you work hard, you can generate transactions the require fees
1278 2010-12-08 17:22:48 <genjix> like if I have a business and person X deposits
1279 2010-12-08 17:22:53 <davux> gavinandresen: isn't there any way to predict the value of F and do the transaction only if the account has (N+F) or more coins in it?
1280 2010-12-08 17:23:03 <nanotube> gavinandresen: a client that is not generating doesn't even have information on whether a fee would be required to be included in the block... because it doesn't know how many outstanding txns there are?
1281 2010-12-08 17:23:06 <genjix> I don't want them to be charged fees
1282 2010-12-08 17:23:08 <gavinandresen> Example of a txn that would require a fee: Send 1,000 bitcoins, when you had nothing but bit-pennies in your wallet.
1283 2010-12-08 17:23:17 <gavinandresen> davux: no
1284 2010-12-08 17:23:53 <gavinandresen> nanotube: right, the fee (can) depend on what prior transactions are chosen from the wallet.
1285 2010-12-08 17:24:17 <nanotube> ah well, those yes... but though there is a fee rule, there could be generators that take no fees, so a client could send 10k bitpennies out with no fee...
1286 2010-12-08 17:25:20 <gavinandresen> nanotube: Sure, could be, but you'd have to hack your bitcoin to generate a large-transaction-with-no-fee.
1287 2010-12-08 17:25:37 <nanotube> gavinandresen: ah i see
1288 2010-12-08 17:27:10 <gavinandresen> genjix: if the person is depositing (sending you coins), then the send/fees happen on their side.
1289 2010-12-08 17:27:53 <genjix> yep but not good for confidence if it looks like im scamming their 0.3 btc for 0.05 btc without telling them...
1290 2010-12-08 17:28:52 <gavinandresen> genjix: For ClearCoin, after a send I check to see if a txn fee was paid (using gettransaction <txid>, sendfrom gives me the txid) and, if it was, reimburse the account for the fee (using move)
1291 2010-12-08 17:29:16 <genjix> ok
1292 2010-12-08 17:32:43 <genjix> gavinandresen: where is your bitcointool located?
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1295 2010-12-08 17:33:11 <gavinandresen> genjix: https://github.com/gavinandresen/bitcointools
1296 2010-12-08 17:33:36 <genjix> thanks
1297 2010-12-08 17:33:50 <zerwas> I am trying to use bitcoin 0.3.17 beta GUI on Ubuntu 10.10 64bit, but the statusbar stays empty
1298 2010-12-08 17:34:14 <zerwas> Does it just take some time until i get connections?
1299 2010-12-08 17:34:22 <genjix> how long?
1300 2010-12-08 17:34:26 <genjix> maybe 30 secs at most
1301 2010-12-08 17:34:30 <davux> gavinandresen: how do you check if a fee was paid?
1302 2010-12-08 17:34:35 <genjix> does it show any blocks
1303 2010-12-08 17:34:40 <zerwas> genjix> had it running like 15 minutes or so
1304 2010-12-08 17:34:43 <genjix> davux: check the tx id
1305 2010-12-08 17:34:51 <gavinandresen> davux: call gettransaction <txid> and look at the "fee" : field
1306 2010-12-08 17:35:04 <genjix> For ClearCoin, after a send I check to see if a txn fee was paid (using gettransaction <txid>, sendfrom gives me the txid) and, if it was, reimburse the account for the fee (using move)
1307 2010-12-08 17:35:21 <genjix> zerwas: does it show any blocks in the bottom?
1308 2010-12-08 17:35:25 <genjix> or nothing
1309 2010-12-08 17:35:29 <davux> i can't wait for 0.18 to be released
1310 2010-12-08 17:35:31 <zerwas> genjix> nothing at the bottom
1311 2010-12-08 17:35:46 <zerwas> should i just wait for 0.18?
1312 2010-12-08 17:35:48 <genjix> weird. that's not normal
1313 2010-12-08 17:35:54 <genjix> no it should work fine
1314 2010-12-08 17:36:19 <gavinandresen> zerwas: tail -f ~/.bitcoin/debug.log .... will show you what bitcoin is up to
1315 2010-12-08 17:36:42 <davux> getbalance <account>, gettransaction and listtransaction will be just perfect for bitcoIM
1316 2010-12-08 17:36:51 <davux> listtransactions*
1317 2010-12-08 17:37:18 <gavinandresen> davux: cool. 0.18 should be out soon
1318 2010-12-08 17:37:41 <davux> gavinandresen: do you have an idea how soon?
1319 2010-12-08 17:37:48 <gavinandresen> Next day or three.
1320 2010-12-08 17:37:59 <genjix> oh nice!
1321 2010-12-08 17:39:27 <davux> !
1322 2010-12-08 17:39:34 <zerwas> gavinandresen> it's going crazy with many messages.. "received: block (216 bytes)" .. SetBestChain: ...ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED ..
1323 2010-12-08 17:40:00 <genjix> looks like its downloading blocks but you say there's nothing in the status bar... idk
1324 2010-12-08 17:40:01 <gavinandresen> zerwas: that's normal, it is downloading all 90,000-some blocks inthe block chain
1325 2010-12-08 17:40:13 <zerwas> gavinandresen> log file is 8 MB already... 8,2 ... 8,3
1326 2010-12-08 17:40:20 <zerwas> ah, okay
1327 2010-12-08 17:40:33 <genjix> gavinandresen: but surely it should show show in the status bar the block count?
1328 2010-12-08 17:40:55 <nanotube> yes, it should...
1329 2010-12-08 17:41:19 <gavinandresen> Yeah, seems like it aught to. Although I admit I almost never run the GUI bitcoin, I'm an old crufty command-liner
1330 2010-12-08 17:41:39 <genjix> im forced to run command line cos I dont have wx 2.9 :p
1331 2010-12-08 17:42:39 <gavinandresen> I'm going to be quiet now and go write more AJAX code
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1338 2010-12-08 18:15:26 kiba has joined
1339 2010-12-08 18:15:33 <kiba> hello
1340 2010-12-08 18:15:35 <kiba> folks
1341 2010-12-08 18:15:38 <kiba> from college
1342 2010-12-08 18:15:41 <kiba> hehe
1343 2010-12-08 18:22:52 <kiba> bing
1344 2010-12-08 18:23:15 <tcatm> hi kiba
1345 2010-12-08 18:27:51 <brocktice> ;;bc,stats
1346 2010-12-08 18:27:54 <gribble> Current Blocks: 96488 | Current Difficulty: 8078.19525793 | Next Difficulty At Block: 96767 | Next Difficulty In: 279 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 7 hours, 7 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12066.29664383
1347 2010-12-08 18:27:57 <brocktice> ugh
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1350 2010-12-08 18:28:41 <Hogofwar> How do build bitcoind from source in ubuntu?
1351 2010-12-08 18:30:11 <Hogofwar> anyone?
1352 2010-12-08 18:30:40 <jchysk> I saw like step by step instructions somewhere on the forum
1353 2010-12-08 18:30:41 <meirpolaris> Someone here want to sell ~100 bitcoins for paypal?
1354 2010-12-08 18:31:20 <kiba> I have 100 BTC, but it's at home
1355 2010-12-08 18:31:54 <finnomenon> I have .8 BTC :(
1356 2010-12-08 18:32:02 <genjix> Hogofwar: 0.18 comes out very soon!
1357 2010-12-08 18:32:33 <Hogofwar> still i would like to know :P
1358 2010-12-08 18:32:47 <meirpolaris> What's new in 0.18?
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1360 2010-12-08 18:35:53 <albatross> Hogofwar: there is a file called build-unix.txt (or similarly named) that has instructions
1361 2010-12-08 18:35:55 <nanotube> Hogofwar: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1315.0
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1369 2010-12-08 18:51:38 <Hogofwar> Thanks!
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1371 2010-12-08 18:57:45 <andrew12> 0118999881999119725...3
1372 2010-12-08 19:01:47 <nanotube> andrew12: wa?
1373 2010-12-08 19:02:05 <andrew12> idk
1374 2010-12-08 19:02:13 <nanotube> ha
1375 2010-12-08 19:03:36 <andrew12> that's actually from a show called 'the it crowd'... it wasn't really that good though
1376 2010-12-08 19:03:50 <andrew12> and for some reason one of the ears in my headset isn't working
1377 2010-12-08 19:03:51 <andrew12> rage
1378 2010-12-08 19:08:34 <andrew12> luckily i have some earbuds
1379 2010-12-08 19:08:44 <andrew12> ...and only one of the ears s working
1380 2010-12-08 19:08:49 <andrew12> the hell is this
1381 2010-12-08 19:09:55 <andrew12> nope they both work. its my pc
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1385 2010-12-08 19:21:31 <jgarzik> âSenate Majority Leader Harry Reid is trying to use the tax cut package President Barack Obama brokered with Republicans to legalize online poker, POLITICO has learned"
1386 2010-12-08 19:22:58 <genjix> with a 15 month blackout
1387 2010-12-08 19:23:06 <genjix> where poker is illegal
1388 2010-12-08 19:23:50 <Teppy> How do they define poker?
1389 2010-12-08 19:24:11 <lolcat> Isnt all gambling banned?
1390 2010-12-08 19:24:35 kiba has joined
1391 2010-12-08 19:24:46 <Teppy> No. Transfer of money via phone lines, bank wires, etc., for purposes of gambling is illegal.
1392 2010-12-08 19:25:11 <Teppy> And they define money very carefully.
1393 2010-12-08 19:25:26 <genjix> dumb laws
1394 2010-12-08 19:25:30 CarlFK has joined
1395 2010-12-08 19:25:37 <kiba> in a democracy
1396 2010-12-08 19:25:46 <kiba> congress care about what you eat, how you drive, etc
1397 2010-12-08 19:25:50 <kiba> everything under the same
1398 2010-12-08 19:25:58 <Teppy> But if they outlaw "poker", they may have a wide definition of poker, and that could be a problem.
1399 2010-12-08 19:26:04 <kiba> in a monarchy, he just care about keeping power and making sure you pay your taxes
1400 2010-12-08 19:26:15 <kiba> everything under the sun*
1401 2010-12-08 19:26:41 <genjix> Teppy: the bill seeks to legalise poker, the blackout is for making an equal footing competition that would come to market
1402 2010-12-08 19:26:59 <genjix> although others think that only state or federal poker sites would be legal
1403 2010-12-08 19:27:13 <genjix> i.e PokerStars.us or PokerStars.texas
1404 2010-12-08 19:27:32 <Teppy> Huh. Do you have a link to the text of the bill?
1405 2010-12-08 19:27:37 <genjix> sure
1406 2010-12-08 19:27:48 <genjix> http://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-forum/938862/US_Online_poker_legalization_r...html
1407 2010-12-08 19:27:52 <genjix> all the info u need
1408 2010-12-08 19:31:42 <kiba> man
1409 2010-12-08 19:31:53 <kiba> need a better way to know how much money I am making and losing
1410 2010-12-08 19:32:55 <nanotube> keep an account book, kiba
1411 2010-12-08 19:33:25 <genjix> how can I get access to the data stream from mapWallet?
1412 2010-12-08 19:34:07 <Teppy> "Office of Internet Poker Oversight" <- Founding fathers are rolling over in their graves.
1413 2010-12-08 19:34:08 <kiba> mapWallet
1414 2010-12-08 19:34:13 <kiba> ?
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1416 2010-12-08 19:34:45 <kiba> somehow
1417 2010-12-08 19:34:47 <genjix> if I loop and get the map<uint256, CWalletTx> then I want the kds (what is that?) data stream.
1418 2010-12-08 19:35:02 <kiba> our political establishment devoled into promoting democracy as if it were an essential feature of freedom
1419 2010-12-08 19:35:22 <CarlFK> http://www.bitcoinme.com " Â Click here to join the Live Online Chatroom" = http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=bitcoin-dev&uio=d4 "#bitcoin is dead" so shouldn't that link to hear?
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1422 2010-12-08 19:36:25 <nanotube> CarlFK: it does - that link is to here, #bitcoin-dev
1423 2010-12-08 19:36:36 <CarlFK> whoops.
1424 2010-12-08 19:36:47 <genjix> /open_wallet
1425 2010-12-08 19:37:02 <CarlFK> I meant #bitcom-dicussion
1426 2010-12-08 19:37:10 <CarlFK> kinda. here is fine too.
1427 2010-12-08 19:37:23 <CarlFK> never mind. :)
1428 2010-12-08 19:37:34 <nanotube> CarlFK: -dev is the main place for the moment... :)
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1430 2010-12-08 19:43:38 <CarlFK> "total number of coins will approach 21,000,000" given the population of earth is 6.8 billion, why so few coins?
1431 2010-12-08 19:44:45 <kiba> because bitcoin are divisible to 8th place
1432 2010-12-08 19:44:56 <kiba> which is plenty enough for economic transaction in the future
1433 2010-12-08 19:45:51 <kiba> you have to understand, bitcoin are just integers...they are not atomic
1434 2010-12-08 19:45:57 <kiba> they're fractional all the way through
1435 2010-12-08 19:46:27 <kiba> well, let just say, .9999999998 BTC is equally as valid as 1 BTC
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1437 2010-12-08 19:49:30 <jchysk> hi
1438 2010-12-08 19:49:55 <jchysk> I'm trying to run bitcoind on a web server and am getting a segmentation fault error
1439 2010-12-08 19:50:20 <jchysk> I created a directory called bitcoin, put bitcoind inside, SSH and ./bitcoind
1440 2010-12-08 19:50:33 <jchysk> anyone know what I can do?
1441 2010-12-08 19:51:14 <jgarzik> jchysk: what does debug.log say?
1442 2010-12-08 19:51:27 <jchysk> how would I generate one of those
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1444 2010-12-08 19:53:02 <jchysk> 2.6.9-023stab046.2-enterprise #1 SMP Mon Dec 10 17:01:06 MSK 2007 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
1445 2010-12-08 19:53:09 <jchysk> is the server and I'm trying to use the 32-bit
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1448 2010-12-08 19:55:16 <jgarzik> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2154.0
1449 2010-12-08 19:55:17 <jgarzik> RFC: new IRC channel #bitcoin
1450 2010-12-08 19:58:44 echelon has joined
1451 2010-12-08 19:58:53 <kiba> ribbuck owns in the discussion
1452 2010-12-08 19:58:57 altamic has joined
1453 2010-12-08 19:59:02 <genjix> gavinandresen: if (wtx.IsCoinBase() || !wtx.IsFinal())
1454 2010-12-08 19:59:12 <kiba> I hope we can agree soon
1455 2010-12-08 19:59:19 <kiba> because .p2p might be ahead of us
1456 2010-12-08 19:59:21 <genjix> i dont know what CoinBase does, but should I skip those Tx?
1457 2010-12-08 19:59:48 <gavinandresen> genjix: CoinBase transactions are coin generation transactions.
1458 2010-12-08 20:00:01 <genjix> oh so those are valid
1459 2010-12-08 20:00:15 <genjix> but I should skip IsFinal, right?
1460 2010-12-08 20:00:24 <gavinandresen> genjix: Sure, if they're mature... what are you trying to do?
1461 2010-12-08 20:00:34 <genjix> listaccounts like you said
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1463 2010-12-08 20:00:57 <genjix> by parsing the bitcoin wallet using cs_mapWallet in rpc.cpp
1464 2010-12-08 20:01:25 <jgarzik> genjix: adding balances? :)
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1466 2010-12-08 20:01:53 <gavinandresen> Ah. Hmm... sounds like you're doing it the hard way, but I don't have time right now to dig in and suggest what the easy way might be....
1467 2010-12-08 20:02:06 <gavinandresen> (about to take my daughter to a ballet rehearsal )
1468 2010-12-08 20:02:09 <genjix> ok
1469 2010-12-08 20:02:14 <genjix> ill submit a patch to forum
1470 2010-12-08 20:02:20 <genjix> and you tell me what's wrong again :p
1471 2010-12-08 20:02:46 <gavinandresen> Sure. Just don't be offended if I completely rewrite it :-)
1472 2010-12-08 20:02:55 <genjix> nope ;)
1473 2010-12-08 20:03:14 <kiba> gavinandresen: you talk like an old man.
1474 2010-12-08 20:03:25 <gavinandresen> I'm starting to feel like an old man
1475 2010-12-08 20:03:50 <genjix> you look it.
1476 2010-12-08 20:04:18 <gavinandresen> Its my birthday in a week! I'll be 44
1477 2010-12-08 20:04:29 <gavinandresen> (4 times 11... and 11 is my favorite number!)
1478 2010-12-08 20:04:33 <genjix> cool :)
1479 2010-12-08 20:04:38 <genjix> i also like the number 4
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1483 2010-12-08 20:06:46 <kiba> The forum activity
1484 2010-12-08 20:06:48 <kiba> is picking up
1485 2010-12-08 20:07:00 <kiba> amazed about how many different ways you can talk about bitcoin
1486 2010-12-08 20:07:29 <kiba> and people
1487 2010-12-08 20:07:49 <kiba> are using economic anaylsis on a daily basis
1488 2010-12-08 20:08:31 <tcatm> I also noticed an increase of visitors on my site.
1489 2010-12-08 20:09:40 <kiba> reddit?
1490 2010-12-08 20:09:42 <genjix> tcatm: which site?
1491 2010-12-08 20:09:55 <kiba> bitcoincharts.com?
1492 2010-12-08 20:10:04 <tcatm> genjix: bitcoincharts
1493 2010-12-08 20:10:56 <genjix> oh very nice
1494 2010-12-08 20:11:18 <kiba> volume for Japanese yen is picking up
1495 2010-12-08 20:12:36 <tcatm> I added USD/currency volume to the order book today.
1496 2010-12-08 20:13:23 <kiba> what that supposed to mean?
1497 2010-12-08 20:13:35 <tcatm> sum(volume * price)
1498 2010-12-08 20:14:54 <kiba> where is that?
1499 2010-12-08 20:15:16 <tcatm> http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxUSD.html
1500 2010-12-08 20:15:39 <tcatm> Column BTC and USD are accumulated volume.
1501 2010-12-08 20:15:53 <tcatm> I.e. you can see how much the price will drop if you sell 5000 BTC
1502 2010-12-08 20:16:06 <tcatm> and how much USD you'd get
1503 2010-12-08 20:18:00 <kiba> price sure can drop so easily
1504 2010-12-08 20:18:56 <kiba> I wanna go home.
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1506 2010-12-08 20:22:10 <albatross> tcatm...did you move the order book below order history or is my browser acting up?
1507 2010-12-08 20:22:31 <tcatm> oh I hoped that wouldn't happend. Which browser are you using?
1508 2010-12-08 20:22:56 <albatross> firefox 3.6.8...winxp...
1509 2010-12-08 20:23:08 <tcatm> hm. Did you try to refresh the page?
1510 2010-12-08 20:23:13 <genjix> winks-p OS
1511 2010-12-08 20:23:43 <albatross> hmmm...that fixed it. weird
1512 2010-12-08 20:24:11 <tcatm> There really should be a way to force a reload of stylesheets in such cases.
1513 2010-12-08 20:24:36 <albatross> stylesheet was cached i take it?
1514 2010-12-08 20:24:39 <genjix> There really should be a way to force a reinstall of operating systems in such cases.
1515 2010-12-08 20:24:50 <tcatm> yep
1516 2010-12-08 20:24:58 <tcatm> genjix: oh, that's pretty easy with exploits
1517 2010-12-08 20:25:20 <genjix> send the vans
1518 2010-12-08 20:29:03 <Diablo-D3> http://www.fark.com/cgi/vidplayer.pl?IDLink=5809695
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1520 2010-12-08 20:29:23 <kiba> hey
1521 2010-12-08 20:29:31 <kiba> famous stateless person whathisname?
1522 2010-12-08 20:29:34 <mikegogulski> aye
1523 2010-12-08 20:32:41 <kiba> the discussion about DomainChain is still ongoing...
1524 2010-12-08 20:33:06 <kiba> hopes people will agree on it soon so we can finally beat those .p2p folks
1525 2010-12-08 20:41:19 <genjix> why do you want to "beat" them. we're all writing free software together.
1526 2010-12-08 20:42:36 <kiba> for the glory and strength of the bitcoin tribe!
1527 2010-12-08 20:45:17 <tcatm> It doesn't matter whether you are first or not if you have good marketing.
1528 2010-12-08 20:46:27 <kiba> ugh
1529 2010-12-08 20:46:30 <kiba> need some lseep
1530 2010-12-08 20:52:13 <Diablo-D3> genjix: ZOMG DICK SIZE WAAAGH
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1532 2010-12-08 20:52:55 <genjix> put it away.
1533 2010-12-08 20:57:22 <mikegogulski> in case anyone wants nearly 20GB of the original wikileaks site: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:IQE4E7OYK7FDXHWIF4KKE4GDBBW52RFX
1534 2010-12-08 20:58:20 <CarlFK> .00000001 is the smallest unit. http://www.bitcoin.org/faq#How_divisible_are_Bitcoins so call that a unit. 6.8 bil people, 21mil max BTCs. 21/.00000001/6800 = 308823. so each person will have an average of 300k units.
1535 2010-12-08 20:59:16 <CarlFK> add companies into the equation, (no clue the number) it seems like it cold drop the average pretty low
1536 2010-12-08 20:59:38 <CarlFK> not sure how to deal with the millions that have 'nothing' right now
1537 2010-12-08 20:59:45 <genjix> lol 6 bil people using bitcoins
1538 2010-12-08 20:59:58 <genjix> dont be too ambitious
1539 2010-12-08 21:00:06 <kiba> no currencies was ever that widespread
1540 2010-12-08 21:00:16 <CarlFK> but isn't that kinda the point?
1541 2010-12-08 21:00:35 <kiba> what is our point?
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1543 2010-12-08 21:01:26 <altamic> a decentralized monetary system with builtin integrity?
1544 2010-12-08 21:03:11 <nanotube> CarlFK: same way you deal with other currency conversion - people can exchange $anything for bitcoin.
1545 2010-12-08 21:03:15 <kiba> waste too much time online
1546 2010-12-08 21:06:15 <lolcat> If we run out of bitcoin we make bitcoinv6
1547 2010-12-08 21:06:37 <lolcat> Then everyone have billions of bitcoinv6'es
1548 2010-12-08 21:06:43 <lolcat> Like ipv6
1549 2010-12-08 21:07:28 <CarlFK> heh
1550 2010-12-08 21:07:32 <Diablo-D3> lolcat: no
1551 2010-12-08 21:07:37 <Diablo-D3> the internet would be unable to route that
1552 2010-12-08 21:07:40 <lolcat> Diablo-D3: No?
1553 2010-12-08 21:07:47 kiba has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1554 2010-12-08 21:08:02 <lolcat> Well, we could just make a new internet...
1555 2010-12-08 21:08:22 <jgarzik> sirius-m suggests #bitcoin-talk
1556 2010-12-08 21:08:30 <jgarzik> for non-dev discussions
1557 2010-12-08 21:08:34 <Diablo-D3> meh, we dont need more bitcoin channels
1558 2010-12-08 21:08:36 <Diablo-D3> just use this one
1559 2010-12-08 21:08:51 <tcatm> so we have #bitcoin-discussion, #bitcoin-talk and #bitcoin for non-dev?
1560 2010-12-08 21:08:59 <genjix> jgarzik: #bitcoin
1561 2010-12-08 21:09:11 <genjix> because when i hear of a new free software project
1562 2010-12-08 21:09:20 <genjix> i just go to #whatever on freenode
1563 2010-12-08 21:09:36 <jgarzik> genjix: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2154.msg28257#msg28257
1564 2010-12-08 21:09:44 <tcatm> there are often users who get redirected to #bitcoin-dev in #bitcoin
1565 2010-12-08 21:10:03 <jgarzik> tcatm: #bitcoin-discussion would be retired, presumably
1566 2010-12-08 21:10:12 <Diablo-D3> we dont need more channels
1567 2010-12-08 21:10:12 <genjix> contact freenode
1568 2010-12-08 21:10:14 <jgarzik> #bitcoin is IMO best name... but ownership is difficult
1569 2010-12-08 21:10:16 <genjix> they will restore the channel
1570 2010-12-08 21:10:27 <genjix> get gavinandresen to help us
1571 2010-12-08 21:10:42 <tcatm> jgarzik: we could ask all users to leave the channel
1572 2010-12-08 21:10:54 <jgarzik> tcatm: how do you ask a bitcoin client a question? :)
1573 2010-12-08 21:11:07 <tcatm> wasn't there a script bug?
1574 2010-12-08 21:11:37 <lolcat> does the bitcoin client have a irc client?
1575 2010-12-08 21:11:45 <tcatm> those clients should be upgraded anyway
1576 2010-12-08 21:11:55 <jgarzik> lolcat: yes
1577 2010-12-08 21:12:01 <lolcat> Oo
1578 2010-12-08 21:12:09 <tcatm> or another idea: would it be possible to gain op during a netsplit?
1579 2010-12-08 21:12:20 <jgarzik> tcatm: well sure. only ancient clients connect to freenode #bitcoin anyway.
1580 2010-12-08 21:12:34 <genjix> just get gavin to contact freenode. they will restore the channel to him.
1581 2010-12-08 21:12:39 <lolcat> jgarzik: What do new clients connect to?
1582 2010-12-08 21:12:44 <Diablo-D3> we do NOT need another damned channel
1583 2010-12-08 21:12:48 <Diablo-D3> Im already in three
1584 2010-12-08 21:12:53 <jgarzik> lolcat: irc.smutfairy.net or somesuch
1585 2010-12-08 21:13:05 <lolcat> I thougth it was p2p...
1586 2010-12-08 21:13:08 <Diablo-D3> no other project whos community I belong to am I in three channels for
1587 2010-12-08 21:13:11 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: no
1588 2010-12-08 21:13:13 <nelisky> we should open #bitcoin-channels to explain which channels bitcoin has
1589 2010-12-08 21:13:13 <nelisky> :p
1590 2010-12-08 21:13:16 <Diablo-D3> its lfnet
1591 2010-12-08 21:13:24 <lolcat> nelisky: Good idea
1592 2010-12-08 21:13:28 <jgarzik> heh
1593 2010-12-08 21:13:33 <lolcat> Diablo-D3: Most have two
1594 2010-12-08 21:13:35 <Diablo-D3> which is arguably just as bad
1595 2010-12-08 21:13:40 <Diablo-D3> lolcat: no
1596 2010-12-08 21:13:44 <Diablo-D3> we really dont need the irc at all
1597 2010-12-08 21:13:55 <jgarzik> lolcat: you cannot P2P without first knowing at least one network address of a P2P node
1598 2010-12-08 21:13:57 <nelisky> well, except for -otc
1599 2010-12-08 21:13:59 <nelisky> and -dev
1600 2010-12-08 21:14:07 <nelisky> and -discussion
1601 2010-12-08 21:14:08 <lolcat> jgarzik: Azerus does that
1602 2010-12-08 21:14:14 * tech9iner wonders off to #bitcoin then..
1603 2010-12-08 21:14:17 <Diablo-D3> az does it through the tracker
1604 2010-12-08 21:14:21 <Diablo-D3> and its not az
1605 2010-12-08 21:14:26 <Diablo-D3> its bittorrent in general
1606 2010-12-08 21:14:27 <nelisky> I'd agree with Diablo-D3, no need for irc, except for what we use in irc
1607 2010-12-08 21:14:37 <Diablo-D3> most bittorrent clients share peers with other peers
1608 2010-12-08 21:14:49 <lolcat> nelisky: Diablo-D3 DHT
1609 2010-12-08 21:15:02 <Diablo-D3> yes, DHT.
1610 2010-12-08 21:15:11 <genjix> < Diablo-D3> we really dont need the irc at all <--- says the guy who's spamming IRC 24/7 :D
1611 2010-12-08 21:15:16 <jgarzik> lolcat: sorry, it's impossible. it is a fundamental bootstrapping problem. You MUST have a bootstrap method, in order to get first P2P address. bitcoin has compiled-in seeds, and IRC seed.
1612 2010-12-08 21:15:20 <genjix> whatevr dude.
1613 2010-12-08 21:15:27 <nelisky> oh
1614 2010-12-08 21:15:37 <jgarzik> and -addnode
1615 2010-12-08 21:15:41 <nelisky> Diablo-D3: that's what I get for trying to be funny, heh
1616 2010-12-08 21:15:42 <lolcat> jgarzik: Hard-coded?
1617 2010-12-08 21:16:01 <lolcat> jgarzik: I would think it would be safer with DHT + decentralized trackers
1618 2010-12-08 21:16:15 <Diablo-D3> genjix: I am?
1619 2010-12-08 21:16:17 <jgarzik> lolcat: yes, bitcoin has a list of hardcoded addresses compiled into bitcoin. And, most of those seeds are now down / unreachable.
1620 2010-12-08 21:16:40 <genjix> Diablo-D3: joke. but you chat a lot so its funny hearing you say you "dont need irc"
1621 2010-12-08 21:16:43 <lolcat> jgarzik: Wouldn't an easy configurable file be desirable?
1622 2010-12-08 21:16:45 <genjix> irc = best. i hate forums
1623 2010-12-08 21:16:50 <Diablo-D3> the client doesnt need irc
1624 2010-12-08 21:16:56 <Diablo-D3> and using lfnet for this isnt really useful
1625 2010-12-08 21:16:59 <appamatto> I've been listening to econtalk based on recommendations from here
1626 2010-12-08 21:17:00 <Diablo-D3> it should be done via a freenode channel
1627 2010-12-08 21:17:10 <Diablo-D3> say, #bitcoin-peersearch
1628 2010-12-08 21:17:12 <appamatto> Russ Roberts doesn't seem particularly libertarian
1629 2010-12-08 21:17:15 <jgarzik> lolcat: against, bootstrapping. you need at least one address to contact DHT and get other nodes.
1630 2010-12-08 21:17:39 <jgarzik> lolcat: DHT buys us nothing, and just gets in the way. once you have bootstrapped, bitcoin P2P network gives us plenty of addresses.
1631 2010-12-08 21:17:56 <jgarzik> s/against/again/
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1633 2010-12-08 21:18:24 <Diablo-D3> DHT does nothing
1634 2010-12-08 21:18:25 <lolcat> jgarzik: I understand that. If you have a "tracker.conf" or whatever. And a tracker daemon anyone can run on a server. Then you can connect to any trackers you feel like, and add or remove them when they go down.
1635 2010-12-08 21:18:29 <Diablo-D3> we already have an equivilent, lolcat
1636 2010-12-08 21:18:37 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin clients tell other bitcoin clients of other bitcoin clients
1637 2010-12-08 21:18:48 <jgarzik> lolcat: as for configuration file, that's what we already have. You can add 'addnode' addresses to bitcoin.conf today.
1638 2010-12-08 21:18:53 <Diablo-D3> its the tracker that we dont have a good equiv of
1639 2010-12-08 21:19:03 <lolcat> Ok
1640 2010-12-08 21:19:07 <jgarzik> all command line parameters can be used in bitcoin.conf.
1641 2010-12-08 21:19:10 <lolcat> But trackers is a good idea?
1642 2010-12-08 21:19:11 <Diablo-D3> and the client->irc thing is as good as it gets for such an application
1643 2010-12-08 21:19:16 <Diablo-D3> it just needs to be removed from lfnet
1644 2010-12-08 21:19:17 <jgarzik> lolcat: no trackers are pointless
1645 2010-12-08 21:19:22 <Diablo-D3> and moved to a major irc network
1646 2010-12-08 21:19:42 <lolcat> I would feel like it would be safer to use several decentralized trackers
1647 2010-12-08 21:19:46 <jgarzik> lolcat: as soon as you connect to a single node on the P2P network, you have all the addresses you need. it is it's own tracker.
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1649 2010-12-08 21:19:53 <jgarzik> lolcat: bitcoin P2P network already does that.
1650 2010-12-08 21:20:07 <tech9iner> so mates.. is there a 'central' or 'main' forums for english bitcoin with more than '5 posts' re http://www.bitcoinme.com/discussion-forum.html#/ perhaps please?
1651 2010-12-08 21:20:23 <Diablo-D3> tech9iner: yet, its on the bitcoin website
1652 2010-12-08 21:20:26 <appamatto> bitcoin.org
1653 2010-12-08 21:20:29 <jgarzik> ...but you need some method of bootstrapping, so that you find the bitcoin network.
1654 2010-12-08 21:20:33 <lolcat> jgarzik: So if I want a private tracker, I just run bitcoin on the server and do an addnode to its domain?
1655 2010-12-08 21:20:43 <appamatto> or just google search for "bitcoin forums"
1656 2010-12-08 21:20:47 <tech9iner> Diablo-D3: ty muchly..
1657 2010-12-08 21:20:48 <Diablo-D3> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/
1658 2010-12-08 21:21:07 <appamatto> Pretty amazing that you found the irc channel but can't find the high traffic forums
1659 2010-12-08 21:21:12 <jgarzik> lolcat: every bitcoin node is a "tracker", in the sense that ALL bitcoin nodes store ALL addresses for the entire network.
1660 2010-12-08 21:21:28 <lolcat> Thats sounds a tad impractical...
1661 2010-12-08 21:21:29 <tech9iner> new it was bad sign when that sites openID was broken hehe
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1664 2010-12-08 21:22:03 <tech9iner> appamatto: mum!? that you?..
1665 2010-12-08 21:22:04 <tech9iner> rofl
1666 2010-12-08 21:22:07 <jgarzik> lolcat: it is the same as peer exchange in bittorrent.
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1669 2010-12-08 21:22:16 <shortcircuit> Where's the best walkthrough of how bitcoin is supposed to work, from a technical security standpoint?
1670 2010-12-08 21:22:29 <jgarzik> shortcircuit: bitcoin paper
1671 2010-12-08 21:22:35 <lolcat> Are you implying it don't work?
1672 2010-12-08 21:22:49 <jgarzik> lolcat: no
1673 2010-12-08 21:22:52 <shortcircuit> jgarzik: URL?
1674 2010-12-08 21:23:14 <jgarzik> shortcircuit: I'm sure you have the ability to google "bitcoin paper"
1675 2010-12-08 21:23:25 * tech9iner never joined new found irc channels sans the atypical 'idiot' refs .. seems every irc group has least 3 such sods..
1676 2010-12-08 21:23:41 <Diablo-D3> tech9iner: what, total faggots pissing in the public pool?
1677 2010-12-08 21:23:48 <Diablo-D3> its roughly 1 for every 50 people
1678 2010-12-08 21:23:55 <shortcircuit> jgarzik: Sure, but I don't trust a generic noun like 'paper' to give me a relaible result. A domain to restrict the search to, or even a name of an author, would be more useful.
1679 2010-12-08 21:24:00 <shortcircuit> I'll try it, though.
1680 2010-12-08 21:24:01 <Diablo-D3> s/people/regulars/
1681 2010-12-08 21:24:02 <tech9iner> rofl.. indeed
1682 2010-12-08 21:24:33 <appamatto> I wasn't trying to insult you, I just genuinely thought it was funny that you could find an irc channel but not the bitcoin forums
1683 2010-12-08 21:24:45 <albatross> is it possible to run multiple bitcoind per machine? i don't see a setting to vary the port (other than the rpc port)
1684 2010-12-08 21:25:07 <jgarzik> albatross: you have to hack the source to run multiple bitcoind's on same IP address
1685 2010-12-08 21:25:12 <shortcircuit> k, found it, I assume. (Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System. Authored by Satoshi Nakamoto)
1686 2010-12-08 21:25:22 <appamatto> Yup, that's it
1687 2010-12-08 21:25:32 <albatross> jgarzik: ok, thanks
1688 2010-12-08 21:25:42 <Diablo-D3> best line ever spoken: "I drew an all-girl orgy because I didn't want to draw some guy's butt."
1689 2010-12-08 21:26:00 <jgarzik> albatross: you can create multiple virtual machines, on the same physical machine, each with an instance of bitcoind
1690 2010-12-08 21:26:13 <shortcircuit> FWIW, My preferred search engine, DuckDuckGo, didn't show it at all with those keywords. Google found me the FAQ, where I then found the relevant paper.
1691 2010-12-08 21:26:15 <jgarzik> albatross: http://yyz.us/bitcoin/patch.bitcoin-bindaddr
1692 2010-12-08 21:26:25 <shortcircuit> Anyway, have what I came for. Thanks.
1693 2010-12-08 21:27:16 <tech9iner> Diablo-D3: ie iphone's 'there's an app for that' perspective.. i actually created a factoid for such '''irc types''' in my home channel of many yrs for our SUSEhelp bot hehe..
1694 2010-12-08 21:27:29 <tech9iner> <SUSEhelp> Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength. - Eric Hoffer
1695 2010-12-08 21:27:54 <tech9iner> appamatto: no worries btw.. you'll note my immediate ''rofl'' heeh
1696 2010-12-08 21:28:29 <appamatto> shortcircuit, how do you like DuckDuckGo?
1697 2010-12-08 21:28:31 * tech9iner is too thick skinned for petty pompASSness on irc..
1698 2010-12-08 21:29:12 <albatross> jgarzik: there are two ports total in use, right? 8333 for everything and 8332 for json-rpc. the patch you pointed me to seems to only affect the json-rpc side, no?
1699 2010-12-08 21:29:52 <shortcircuit> appamatto: It works incredibly well for me.
1700 2010-12-08 21:30:04 <jgarzik> albatross: crapola. you're right. sorry about that. I had another patch for 8333, but it disappeared. oh well, it's easy enough to grep for 8333 and 18333.
1701 2010-12-08 21:30:11 <tech9iner> btw re the bruce wagner podcast listened to from last wk or so mates.. he was on bout new retailers etc adding bitcoin acceptance to dozen + a day.. yet his bitcoinshop site's fugly spreadsheet doesnt mesh..
1702 2010-12-08 21:30:18 <appamatto> shortcircuit, I'll have to try it. It didn't even occur to me to find a privacy-focused search engine
1703 2010-12-08 21:30:49 <OneFixt> ;;bc,stats
1704 2010-12-08 21:30:53 <gribble> Current Blocks: 96524 | Current Difficulty: 8078.19525793 | Next Difficulty At Block: 96767 | Next Difficulty In: 243 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 2 hours, 58 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12125.94831602
1705 2010-12-08 21:31:05 <shortcircuit> appamatto: That's not even why I started with it. It just tends to give me better results, given the right keywords.
1706 2010-12-08 21:31:23 <appamatto> shortcircuit two birds with one stone, then :p
1707 2010-12-08 21:32:29 <shortcircuit> appamatto: Right. :) I'm not sure exactly how it does it, but it tends to come up with the most authorative page for the keyword, for each of multiple possible fields of interest.
1708 2010-12-08 21:32:34 * altamic uses DuckDuckGo too
1709 2010-12-08 21:33:15 <albatross> jgarzik: also, i don't want the clients to connect to either the real net or test net. '-connect' makes sense for all nodes. but how about the first one to be started? -connect to itself?
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1726 2010-12-08 22:24:04 <jgarzik> dwdollar1: what is BCMv1's method for noticing new bitcoin deposits?
1727 2010-12-08 22:25:01 <jgarzik> dwdollar1: do you execute "listreceivedbyaddress" every minute or so?
1728 2010-12-08 22:28:32 <tcatm> jgarzik: does adsense make money on bcw?
1729 2010-12-08 22:29:09 <jgarzik> tcatm: yes
1730 2010-12-08 22:29:24 <jgarzik> tcatm: a pittance. maybe $1-2/day
1731 2010-12-08 22:29:58 <tcatm> That's better than my projectwonderful adbox at $0.01/day
1732 2010-12-08 22:30:30 <tcatm> + I hope adsense won't slow down the rendering as much as pw does
1733 2010-12-08 22:30:55 <jgarzik> tcatm: they pre-size the box to speed up layout
1734 2010-12-08 22:31:20 <tcatm> that's not the problem. the problem is javascript in the middle of <body>
1735 2010-12-08 22:32:11 <tcatm> It's delaying rendering by 122ms even with adblock enabled.
1736 2010-12-08 22:37:21 <jgarzik> tcatm: JS will always slow you down a bit. that is unavoidable. faster servers (google vs. some tiny guy on a VPS) and faster network help a lot too, of course.
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1738 2010-12-08 22:37:55 <genjix> http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/harry-reid-drops-push-for-online-poker-legislation-17153/
1739 2010-12-08 22:38:00 <genjix> poker bill was dropped
1740 2010-12-08 22:38:51 <jgarzik> genjix: that was always likely, no matter what the poker forums said
1741 2010-12-08 22:38:58 <tcatm> If I could put the code at the end of the page and then move the ad with CSS to the right place it might at least feel more responsive to the user.
1742 2010-12-08 22:39:05 <genjix> everyone was sweating it.
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1746 2010-12-08 22:46:53 <altamic> question: is it correct to say that the size of a transaction is given by the sum of version, locktime, inputs and outputs sizes?
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1749 2010-12-08 22:51:49 <altamic> http://blockexplorer.com/t/4SgZi1i6MP hovering on Size^? says: number that Bitcoin uses for block size limits and fees. How it is calculated?
1750 2010-12-08 22:53:25 <nanotube> altamic: see ,,txfee
1751 2010-12-08 22:53:25 <gribble> http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=transaction_fee
1752 2010-12-08 22:53:53 <theymos> altamic: I'm just using GetSerializeSize with SER_NETWORK. I don't know how Bitcoin actually calculates this.
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1754 2010-12-08 22:54:28 <theymos> It's the number used for transaction fees and limits and such.
1755 2010-12-08 22:55:39 * altamic scrambling the source
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1759 2010-12-08 22:57:47 <zylche> Weird, BCBot still sends the welcome message when you just change your nick. Odd.
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1762 2010-12-08 23:09:04 <Lyspooner> ;;bc,stats
1763 2010-12-08 23:09:07 <gribble> Current Blocks: 96544 | Current Difficulty: 8078.19525793 | Next Difficulty At Block: 96767 | Next Difficulty In: 223 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 0 hours, 40 minutes, and 7 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12170.82550972
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1767 2010-12-08 23:26:07 <altamic> real coders implement their own serialization routines with C++ templates and recursive functions
1768 2010-12-08 23:26:51 <nanotube> and then get surprised when they have trouble getting people to help out with the project :)
1769 2010-12-08 23:26:57 <Diablo-D3> altamic: no we dont
1770 2010-12-08 23:27:01 <ArtForz> http://xkcd.com/378/
1771 2010-12-08 23:29:09 <altamic> heh
1772 2010-12-08 23:31:00 <altamic> when I was a student I was fooled into thinking that C++ was a good thing
1773 2010-12-08 23:31:49 <ArtForz> well, it's a decent jack-of-all-trades language
1774 2010-12-08 23:33:53 <altamic> no comment
1775 2010-12-08 23:34:40 <nanotube> whaddyamean, it has comments... //
1776 2010-12-08 23:34:41 <nanotube> :)
1777 2010-12-08 23:36:26 <davex__> altamic, but java is a good thing?
1778 2010-12-08 23:36:53 <davex__> i'd concede the jvm is a good thing, at least.
1779 2010-12-08 23:37:11 <Diablo-D3> altamic: c++ was never a good thing
1780 2010-12-08 23:39:27 <AAA_awright> You say that as if C++ isn't a good thing
1781 2010-12-08 23:39:46 <altamic> davex_: the answer is ... it depends on you
1782 2010-12-08 23:39:46 <altamic> java as the language I mean
1783 2010-12-08 23:39:51 <altamic> the platform is quite good
1784 2010-12-08 23:40:13 <ArtForz> java the language is decent, maybe a bit explicit
1785 2010-12-08 23:40:58 <Diablo-D3> nothing wrong with explicit
1786 2010-12-08 23:41:14 <Diablo-D3> java doesn't quite make it to "too verbose"
1787 2010-12-08 23:41:16 <davex__> unless it gets in your way too much
1788 2010-12-08 23:41:16 <gavinandresen> The older I get, the more I appreciate duck typing.
1789 2010-12-08 23:41:33 <ArtForz> yep, duck typing is fun
1790 2010-12-08 23:41:45 <Diablo-D3> gavinandresen: you can do a limited form of duck typing without magic in java
1791 2010-12-08 23:41:46 <altamic> gavin: I do agree
1792 2010-12-08 23:41:57 <davex__> plus i want closures.
1793 2010-12-08 23:42:03 <Diablo-D3> java has closures now
1794 2010-12-08 23:42:09 <davex__> it does?
1795 2010-12-08 23:43:27 <xelister_> c++ > java
1796 2010-12-08 23:43:57 <gavinandresen> #int(int,int) plus = #(int x, int y) x+y; ..... yeah, I'm too old to type 'int' five times....
1797 2010-12-08 23:45:10 <Diablo-D3> davex__: 7 added them
1798 2010-12-08 23:45:19 <davex__> hmm, will look into that
1799 2010-12-08 23:45:32 <Diablo-D3> gavinandresen: meh, technically I dont even have to type int
1800 2010-12-08 23:45:35 <Diablo-D3> I could type T
1801 2010-12-08 23:45:40 <Diablo-D3> and then have fun with generics
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1805 2010-12-08 23:58:07 <davux> weird... on the testnet, listtransactions shows me transaction 44fda78ccccf28abeb93d782eb987fe159b79063536ba1b9a6887341b07401e8 that has an amount of 4500, but gettransaction says the amount is 0
1806 2010-12-08 23:59:00 <theymos> Would there be any interest if I created a patch that removed all non-network-enforced restrictions on transactions, allowing miners to collect more transaction fees?