1 2010-12-28 00:02:43 <ArtForz> not by generators
2 2010-12-28 00:02:53 <ArtForz> sending a tx throws away sub-cent change
3 2010-12-28 00:03:07 <ArtForz> generator happily claims the sub-cent 'fee'
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6 2010-12-28 00:07:32 <theymos> But it doesn't do any rounding before comparing to the minimum required fee? When the blocksize-based fees kick in after 250k and the minimum fee has high precision(?), would senders be able to match this exactly?
7 2010-12-28 00:08:29 <ArtForz> required fees are always a multiple of 1 cent
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10 2010-12-28 00:10:05 <theymos> Wouldn't 'nMinFee *= MAX_BLOCK_SIZE_GEN / (MAX_BLOCK_SIZE_GEN - nNewBlockSize);' sometimes result in non-multiples?
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12 2010-12-28 00:10:36 <EvanR> mmmmm integer arithmetic xD
13 2010-12-28 00:11:02 <EvanR> and/or c float coercion
14 2010-12-28 00:12:40 <ArtForz> yup, int arithmetic
15 2010-12-28 00:12:43 <EvanR> if someone sends me coins, and theres a mistake/problem, can i return to him the coins just by using the address?
16 2010-12-28 00:13:55 <EvanR> 'from address' ?
17 2010-12-28 00:14:36 <nanotube> EvanR: yes... but client doens't display from address... though you could get it from the block explorer.
18 2010-12-28 00:14:54 <theymos> You can, but the transaction will show up for them as from some odd label that they created for that address.
19 2010-12-28 00:14:56 <EvanR> on his end, would it show up?
20 2010-12-28 00:15:10 <nanotube> yes it would show up, but see what theymos said.
21 2010-12-28 00:15:16 <nanotube> you never know how they labeled that address
22 2010-12-28 00:15:23 <nanotube> so they may not realize why they're getting it.
23 2010-12-28 00:15:31 <EvanR> if they put my name on it, makes sense
24 2010-12-28 00:15:43 <EvanR> if its for a particular service/good, would also make sense
25 2010-12-28 00:16:13 <theymos> They don't have you associated with that "from address" that you would send to.
26 2010-12-28 00:16:28 <EvanR> but seems like they would label the to address instead
27 2010-12-28 00:16:34 <EvanR> meh
28 2010-12-28 00:16:37 <nanotube> EvanR: when someone sends bitcoins... bitcoins get picked from (for this purpose) random addresses. so there's no reason to expect that they came from an address that is labeled with your name.
29 2010-12-28 00:17:11 <EvanR> so its better to ask for a dedicated return address
30 2010-12-28 00:17:25 <theymos> Yes.
31 2010-12-28 00:17:25 <nanotube> indeed
32 2010-12-28 00:17:26 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: hello?
33 2010-12-28 00:18:27 <MT`AwAy> mh?
34 2010-12-28 00:19:24 <EvanR> how do you make an automated system which triggers an interruptible action (send mail, ship goods, launch missiles) when someone sends the appropriate coins to the appropriate place, slash, recovers if someone sends to a bogus or old address?
35 2010-12-28 00:20:04 <EvanR> slash waits for appropriate number of confirms to execute action
36 2010-12-28 00:20:19 <theymos> EvanR: getreceivedbyaddress
37 2010-12-28 00:20:20 <EvanR> bitcoind can do this?
38 2010-12-28 00:20:34 <lfm> evanr mostly you poll
39 2010-12-28 00:20:41 <EvanR> poll? sounds fishy
40 2010-12-28 00:20:45 <Cusipzzz> yes
41 2010-12-28 00:21:43 <ArtForz> without monitor* patch, poll
42 2010-12-28 00:22:21 <EvanR> it would suck for a random event to occur and someone paid for something, didnt get results, or got double results
43 2010-12-28 00:22:53 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: did you answer my email question?
44 2010-12-28 00:22:53 <lfm> evanr yes, it would suck
45 2010-12-28 00:23:18 <EvanR> so i guess a transactional database is in order/
46 2010-12-28 00:23:30 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: almost, I typed the answer, but haven't hit "send" yet :D
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49 2010-12-28 00:25:45 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: btw, please take a look at a few of the discussion posts i made on the wiki about category/page renames.
50 2010-12-28 00:25:59 <Kiba> myspace, facebook, blah
51 2010-12-28 00:26:01 <Kiba> generation
52 2010-12-28 00:26:05 <Kiba> no. no. and no.
53 2010-12-28 00:26:15 <Kiba> time move waaaaaaaaaaay too fast
54 2010-12-28 00:26:34 <Kiba> it's not a myspace, facebook, or whatever generation
55 2010-12-28 00:26:41 <EvanR> bing!
56 2010-12-28 00:27:13 <MT`AwAy> nanotube: ok I'll check
57 2010-12-28 00:27:17 <Kiba> what we're experiencing is nothing short of a revolution that had been going on for the last 20 years
58 2010-12-28 00:28:00 Motoma has quit (Quit: Outie 5000)
59 2010-12-28 00:28:29 <Kiba> there are several revolutions ongoing at once
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63 2010-12-28 00:39:19 <EvanR> in bitcoind, what is an 'account' ?
64 2010-12-28 00:40:24 <EvanR> how do i list accounts?
65 2010-12-28 00:40:31 <EvanR> oh
66 2010-12-28 00:40:41 <EvanR> listaccounts isnt in the help list
67 2010-12-28 00:41:06 <EvanR> because its not in my version of bitcoin?
68 2010-12-28 00:43:06 <Kiba> why are #bitcoin being appended to #wikileak tweet when it clear it have nothing to do with bitcoin?
69 2010-12-28 00:43:10 <EvanR> 3.19 beta
70 2010-12-28 00:44:28 <noagendamarket> Because its a plot by the cia to undermine bitcoin? :)-
71 2010-12-28 00:44:58 <noagendamarket> You can relax Kiba I doubt wikileaks will go near bitcoin
72 2010-12-28 00:46:33 <EvanR> whats the default account, is account a number? a word?
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74 2010-12-28 00:47:27 <theymos> EvanR: Empty string -- ""
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76 2010-12-28 00:47:49 <lfm> listaccounts to be in 0.3.20 I think
77 2010-12-28 00:49:33 <EvanR> getbalance "" gives me -10
78 2010-12-28 00:51:37 <EvanR> :S
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80 2010-12-28 00:54:04 <Diablo-D3> FFFFFFFF
81 2010-12-28 00:55:39 <EvanR> ah, its using address label as account name
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83 2010-12-28 01:04:31 <EvanR> this polling thing is going to get hairy if i want to recover all future accidental payments to an address
84 2010-12-28 01:04:56 <EvanR> monitor patch...
85 2010-12-28 01:06:52 <da2ce7> hey boys: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=20485
86 2010-12-28 01:07:18 <EvanR> saw that on slashdot
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88 2010-12-28 01:09:46 <EvanR> is there no accepted automatic way to effectively make an address 'one time only' ?
89 2010-12-28 01:10:15 <theymos> Use getaccountaddress.
90 2010-12-28 01:11:57 <EvanR> how does that help
91 2010-12-28 01:12:31 <theymos> It returns one address until you receive something at it. Then it never returns that address again.
92 2010-12-28 01:13:27 <EvanR> and if someones accidentally sends money there?
93 2010-12-28 01:15:14 <theymos> It increases the account balance appropriately.
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95 2010-12-28 01:17:05 <EvanR> it can be used any number of times
96 2010-12-28 01:17:21 <EvanR> even after the first, probably correct, one
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99 2010-12-28 01:18:26 <theymos> You could move all old addresses to an "old" account, and then just poll that one. Or use monitor*. Or just manually fix it for users who do stupid things like that.
100 2010-12-28 01:19:09 <EvanR> ah, setaccountaddress
101 2010-12-28 01:19:30 <Kiba> today
102 2010-12-28 01:19:34 <Kiba> I learned something useful
103 2010-12-28 01:19:39 <Kiba> experiencing self and remembering self
104 2010-12-28 01:20:10 <EvanR> theymos: so a server has a total balance, but its divided into accounts?
105 2010-12-28 01:20:20 <EvanR> and an account has many addresses?
106 2010-12-28 01:20:24 <Kiba> experiencing is what I feel at the moment. Remembering is looking back in the past and remembering only part of the experience
107 2010-12-28 01:20:59 <theymos> EvanR: Right. Also, the default account can access all account balances.
108 2010-12-28 01:21:24 <EvanR> whats with negative balance?
109 2010-12-28 01:22:12 <theymos> I don't think that should happen. It might be a bug.
110 2010-12-28 01:22:32 <EvanR> getbalance shows 51.17, getbalance "" shows -10, getbalance "mtgox" shows 10
111 2010-12-28 01:23:53 <theymos> getbalance is the real 'getbalance ""'.
112 2010-12-28 01:25:08 <EvanR> is there an upper limit to amount of coins in a transaction, or in a wallet, or balance, or? 21M ?
113 2010-12-28 01:25:35 <sipa> there is a limit on the size of transaction, i believe
114 2010-12-28 01:26:58 <theymos> Bitcoin will probably crash from a too-large wallet before you get near 21 million. Transactions can't be above 1MB.
115 2010-12-28 01:27:27 <EvanR> too large wallet?
116 2010-12-28 01:27:52 <theymos> Your entire wallet is stored in memory. It can't get too large.
117 2010-12-28 01:28:17 <EvanR> the number 21 million fits easily in memory
118 2010-12-28 01:28:45 <sipa> EvanR: also, how do you define a coin?
119 2010-12-28 01:28:57 <EvanR> 1BTC
120 2010-12-28 01:29:25 <theymos> Unless you get it in one transaction, you'll have hundreds of thousands of transactions in your wallet. Every received and sent transaction is stored in the wallet, as well as the "branch" transactions in its block.
121 2010-12-28 01:29:27 <sipa> well the physical representation of a BTC (whatever the amount) is a series of transactions leading to a netto positive balance
122 2010-12-28 01:29:40 <sipa> there is no such thing as "this piece of data is 1 BTC"
123 2010-12-28 01:29:52 <EvanR> well the transaction amount is in json right
124 2010-12-28 01:29:54 <EvanR> as nanocoins
125 2010-12-28 01:30:00 <sipa> yes
126 2010-12-28 01:30:03 <EvanR> can that number be arbitrarily long
127 2010-12-28 01:30:31 <sipa> it's in units of 0.00000001 BTC
128 2010-12-28 01:30:39 <EvanR> yeah 'nanocoins' xD
129 2010-12-28 01:30:53 <sipa> it's decananocoins :)
130 2010-12-28 01:31:06 <EvanR> nano is hipper and has precedent
131 2010-12-28 01:31:21 <EvanR> and has the hip-benefit of being wrong
132 2010-12-28 01:31:31 <EvanR> always good for popularity
133 2010-12-28 01:32:11 <EvanR> centimicrocoins
134 2010-12-28 01:32:30 <theymos> You can store huge-value transactions if they are small. The overflow transaction transferred over 100 billion BTC.
135 2010-12-28 01:32:50 <sipa> 'the overflow transaction' ?
136 2010-12-28 01:33:01 <theymos> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Incidents#Value_overflow
137 2010-12-28 01:33:08 <sipa> thanks
138 2010-12-28 01:33:13 <EvanR> awesome
139 2010-12-28 01:33:26 * EvanR proceeds to transfer over 100 trillion
140 2010-12-28 01:34:30 <theymos> The overflow bug worked because it was trasferring the highest possible amount, which is 92,233,720,368.54275808 BTC.
141 2010-12-28 01:34:48 <Cusipzzz> ya, let me list 186Billion on mtgox
142 2010-12-28 01:34:56 <sipa> significantly more than can possibly ever exist
143 2010-12-28 01:35:07 <EvanR> what makes that the highest possible amount?
144 2010-12-28 01:35:27 <sipa> that's 2^63-1/100000000
145 2010-12-28 01:35:34 <sipa> (2^63-1)/100000000
146 2010-12-28 01:35:45 <theymos> It's the highest amount that Bitcoin's fixed-point 64-bit integer representation of BTC can hold.
147 2010-12-28 01:35:47 <EvanR> ah so there are 64bit numbers sneaking around somewhere
148 2010-12-28 01:36:01 <EvanR> was wondering about that
149 2010-12-28 01:36:02 <sipa> signed 64 bit numbers even
150 2010-12-28 01:36:23 <sipa> theymos: hmm, it's 2^63/10^8
151 2010-12-28 01:36:49 <sipa> you can't represent that value in a 2's complement signed 64 bit number
152 2010-12-28 01:37:30 <ArtForz> we are using signed int64s ?
153 2010-12-28 01:37:35 <theymos> Maybe it's a little different. I was just copying the value of the overflow transaction.
154 2010-12-28 01:38:00 <sipa> well, it is the value listed on that wiki page
155 2010-12-28 01:38:07 <ArtForz> *shrug*
156 2010-12-28 01:38:08 * EvanR sends -90,000,000,000 BTC to someone
157 2010-12-28 01:38:16 <EvanR> i have more than that dont i? xD
158 2010-12-28 01:38:19 <theymos> Yes; value is signed.
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160 2010-12-28 01:38:50 <ArtForz> I still wonder why cent = 1M
161 2010-12-28 01:39:20 <theymos> Two less zeroes than COIN.
162 2010-12-28 01:39:29 <ArtForz> yes
163 2010-12-28 01:39:42 <ArtForz> but why not at least make decent use of that int64
164 2010-12-28 01:40:06 <ArtForz> 21M * COIN is a few orders of magnitude < int64_max
165 2010-12-28 01:40:15 <sipa> what's COIN?
166 2010-12-28 01:40:23 <ArtForz> 100 * CENT
167 2010-12-28 01:40:35 <EvanR> whats CENT
168 2010-12-28 01:40:43 <ArtForz> 1000000
169 2010-12-28 01:40:50 <sipa> oh ok
170 2010-12-28 01:41:09 <sipa> COIN = 10^8, CENT = 10^6 :)
171 2010-12-28 01:41:29 <ArtForz> yep, 1BTC = 1e8 'smallest possible bitcoin units'
172 2010-12-28 01:41:37 * EvanR is still getting used to base ten
173 2010-12-28 01:41:54 <ArtForz> and 21M = 2.1e15
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176 2010-12-28 01:42:35 <ArtForz> 2**63-1 = 9.2e18
177 2010-12-28 01:43:17 <theymos> Maybe Satoshi limited precision to eight decimals to limit spam attacks.
178 2010-12-28 01:43:20 <sgornick> EvanR: I was just reviewing the log from earlier, regarding ability to return bitcoins to sender. Just an FYI. If I send an amount from on ewallet provider, such as MyBitcoin, and then you return that back to the address sent from, I'll never see it.
179 2010-12-28 01:43:26 <ArtForz> so we'll never using the top ~12 bits of that int64
180 2010-12-28 01:43:39 <ArtForz> ?
181 2010-12-28 01:43:43 <sipa> indeed
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183 2010-12-28 01:43:53 <EvanR> sgornick: good to know, i wont be doing that
184 2010-12-28 01:44:02 <sipa> but that int64 is just an implementation detail, no?
185 2010-12-28 01:44:18 <sipa> a different implementation way use another datatype
186 2010-12-28 01:44:23 <EvanR> yeah like nanocoins
187 2010-12-28 01:44:37 <ArtForz> well, you could change it in bitcoinV2
188 2010-12-28 01:44:48 <EvanR> haskell 10^-8 fixed point has no upper limit
189 2010-12-28 01:44:49 <theymos> sipa: It's in transactions -- all Bitcoin-compatible clients must use it.
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191 2010-12-28 01:45:03 <sipa> theymos: but the protocol, is it binary?
192 2010-12-28 01:45:05 <sipa> or json?
193 2010-12-28 01:45:11 <theymos> Binary.
194 2010-12-28 01:45:11 <ArtForz> but as its part of the block chain, no way to change it for current bitcoin
195 2010-12-28 01:45:31 <sipa> ah, in that case the encoding is more than an implementation detail :)
196 2010-12-28 01:45:33 * EvanR barfs at binary protocol
197 2010-12-28 01:45:41 <genjix> why?
198 2010-12-28 01:45:44 <ArtForz> = we'll be wasting 12 bits per transaction output til the end of time
199 2010-12-28 01:45:50 <sipa> oh no
200 2010-12-28 01:46:11 <sipa> it's not like bitcoin itself isn't already a huge 'waste' of bandwidth and cpu power
201 2010-12-28 01:46:17 <EvanR> not flexible, now were stuck with 64bit ints
202 2010-12-28 01:46:39 <sipa> ArtForz: actually, the blocks in the block chain contain a version number
203 2010-12-28 01:46:40 <EvanR> lol sipa
204 2010-12-28 01:46:46 <genjix> we aren't stuck. if people adopt longer ints then it becomes standard
205 2010-12-28 01:46:48 <sipa> so it's rather easy to add a new one
206 2010-12-28 01:46:50 <ArtForz> yeah, except in the network protocol we're shaving single bytes off integers
207 2010-12-28 01:47:25 <ArtForz> = effectively a completely new incompatible chain "grandfathering in" the old chain
208 2010-12-28 01:47:44 <sipa> indeed
209 2010-12-28 01:47:56 <ArtForz> = spend old-chain coins on bitcoinV2, then spend em again on bitcoinV1 ... whoops
210 2010-12-28 01:48:30 <sipa> there's other things as well which will eventually lead to need for update
211 2010-12-28 01:48:39 <ArtForz> ?
212 2010-12-28 01:48:45 <sipa> for example the fact that each and every transaction is sent to each and every client
213 2010-12-28 01:48:59 <ArtForz> we can change network protocol and structure no problem, we just cant change the block or transaction format
214 2010-12-28 01:49:21 <ArtForz> well, generators have to see every transaction
215 2010-12-28 01:49:47 <theymos> sipa: Eventually generators will act as hubs, and non-generators will only connect to a few of them, and not receive transactions.
216 2010-12-28 01:49:52 <sipa> there are ways around that
217 2010-12-28 01:49:53 <ArtForz> yep
218 2010-12-28 01:50:11 <ArtForz> "normal" nodes dont need to see transactions
219 2010-12-28 01:50:15 <sipa> even those
220 2010-12-28 01:50:37 <sipa> you can split the work based on some hash of the transactions
221 2010-12-28 01:50:51 <sipa> each generator only processes some subset of transactions
222 2010-12-28 01:51:01 <sipa> with smaller reward
223 2010-12-28 01:51:21 <sipa> and within each subset a separate 1-block-per-10-minutes rule
224 2010-12-28 01:51:24 <ArtForz> yes, lets make transactions even slower...
225 2010-12-28 01:51:34 <ArtForz> can't be done with current block chain rules
226 2010-12-28 01:51:40 <sipa> i know
227 2010-12-28 01:52:04 <sipa> you will need separate block chains for each subset of course
228 2010-12-28 01:52:16 <theymos> How do you verify that a transaction hasn't been double-spent?
229 2010-12-28 01:52:28 <ArtForz> any noncompatible change effectively creates 2 chains
230 2010-12-28 01:52:39 <sipa> each transaction belongs in one and only one chain
231 2010-12-28 01:52:55 <sipa> oh wait nvm
232 2010-12-28 01:52:56 <ArtForz> which means if theres significant # users on both chains you can now double-spend old coins in both old and new chain
233 2010-12-28 01:53:10 <sipa> it would need to reference transactions in another chain
234 2010-12-28 01:53:51 <ArtForz> so each node has to get all chains anyhow... whats the point again?
235 2010-12-28 01:53:59 <sipa> my point is gone :)
236 2010-12-28 01:54:10 <ArtForz> as if you need to see X data, X*2 isnt really that much more
237 2010-12-28 01:54:10 <devon_hillard> is bitcoin 2.0 coming along at some point?
238 2010-12-28 01:54:19 <theymos> To verify that no double-spending has occurred on any possible system, you need all unspent transactions. There's no way arond this.
239 2010-12-28 01:54:33 <devon_hillard> say, engineered with a logarithmically growing BTC supply
240 2010-12-28 01:54:47 <ArtForz> I'd guess so
241 2010-12-28 01:55:02 <devon_hillard> tuned to the relative increase in processing power
242 2010-12-28 01:55:18 <sipa> why would you want that?
243 2010-12-28 01:55:25 <ArtForz> that sounds wrong
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245 2010-12-28 01:55:51 <ArtForz> I'd like to see less steep steps in per-block reward
246 2010-12-28 01:56:03 <sipa> yes
247 2010-12-28 01:56:20 <ArtForz> first halving is gonna be interesting
248 2010-12-28 01:56:59 <sipa> it's still two years
249 2010-12-28 01:57:05 <ArtForz> assuming for-profit miners operating close to breakeven, it could pretty much kill the network
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251 2010-12-28 01:57:17 <sipa> i think by then some equilibrium of amount of people that do mining will have been reached already
252 2010-12-28 01:57:28 <sipa> currently it's still growing exponentially
253 2010-12-28 01:57:44 <ArtForz> not quite
254 2010-12-28 01:57:55 <EvanR> wouldnt whatever happens happen before the 'cliff'
255 2010-12-28 01:58:07 <theymos> I think that by that time fees will already be a big percentage of block reward.
256 2010-12-28 01:58:08 <sipa> afterwards, i think
257 2010-12-28 01:58:16 <sipa> indeed theymos
258 2010-12-28 01:58:23 <ArtForz> doesnt matter much
259 2010-12-28 01:59:15 <ArtForz> and I severely doubt we'll be seeing 20+ BTC/block in tx fees in the next few years
260 2010-12-28 01:59:26 <marioxcc> _Securing your wallet_ wiki page says there is a buffer of 100 future keys
261 2010-12-28 01:59:37 <ArtForz> currently we're growing hashrate a lot because avg cost of power for a block using ATI cards is like 15% of btc per block
262 2010-12-28 01:59:47 <marioxcc> so they get in the backup earlier before you use them
263 2010-12-28 01:59:50 <marioxcc> if i understand well
264 2010-12-28 01:59:56 <sipa> marioxcc: correct
265 2010-12-28 02:00:18 <EvanR> get in mah backup
266 2010-12-28 02:00:30 <marioxcc> what about using a secure pseudorandom generator and storing the seed?
267 2010-12-28 02:00:49 <ArtForz> so let's say hashrate levels off where miners are still making 50% or so profit over power
268 2010-12-28 02:01:07 <EvanR> marioxcc: that would really suck then, if someone stole your wallet and you didnt know xD
269 2010-12-28 02:01:14 <theymos> marioxcc: That's been discussed on IRC before. It would work, but it'd be an even bigger problem if an attacker got your wallet.
270 2010-12-28 02:01:18 <ArtForz> works pretty well, hashrate pretty much follows current/expected market value of btc
271 2010-12-28 02:01:31 <ArtForz> now reward per block halves
272 2010-12-28 02:01:44 <EvanR> the market value is going to do something before that cliff
273 2010-12-28 02:01:47 <sipa> some people will stop mining, considering it not worth it
274 2010-12-28 02:01:50 <theymos> Maybe fees will double at that point.
275 2010-12-28 02:01:57 <ArtForz> = it's suddenly uneconomical for pretty much everyone to mine
276 2010-12-28 02:02:02 <sipa> some people will keep mining for a while, waiting to see how many people stop
277 2010-12-28 02:02:24 <sipa> i expect at least a few retargets will happen in the mean time
278 2010-12-28 02:02:33 <EvanR> maybe the result is regular people will have to check 'generate coins' again ;)
279 2010-12-28 02:02:41 <marioxcc> ok, I understand
280 2010-12-28 02:02:42 <ArtForz> unlikely
281 2010-12-28 02:03:18 <sipa> or people could just stop immediately
282 2010-12-28 02:03:21 <ArtForz> why would a for-profit miner keep mining at a loss when he can just sit there and let others SLOWLY find blocks until diff is low enough to make his operation profitable again?
283 2010-12-28 02:03:32 <sipa> and wait to see what happens, planning to rejoin if enough miners stopped
284 2010-12-28 02:03:56 <theymos> ArtForz: He might wait 10-20 minutes until the fees build up to a sufficient level. This will serve to increase the fees that people pay.
285 2010-12-28 02:03:57 <sipa> with indeed a very sudden drop in computation power
286 2010-12-28 02:04:23 <EvanR> it wont matter if we still dont have 'minecarts' full ;)
287 2010-12-28 02:04:23 <ArtForz> yeah, but that again means very long time/block to accumulate enough fees
288 2010-12-28 02:04:44 <ArtForz> = the next few retargets will take a LOT longer than normal
289 2010-12-28 02:04:49 <nanotube> maybe if bitdns is operational by then... there will be plenty of fees :)
290 2010-12-28 02:04:49 <EvanR> it will though mean a decrease in network security
291 2010-12-28 02:05:08 <EvanR> when miners bail
292 2010-12-28 02:05:08 <Diablo-D3> heee
293 2010-12-28 02:05:18 <Diablo-D3> my miner hackup seems to almost work
294 2010-12-28 02:05:20 <Diablo-D3> no threads
295 2010-12-28 02:05:24 <ArtForz> yep
296 2010-12-28 02:05:26 <Diablo-D3> and it executes kernels
297 2010-12-28 02:05:40 <ArtForz> which is why imo a more gradual change would've been a lot better
298 2010-12-28 02:06:17 <EvanR> better start selling your coins now
299 2010-12-28 02:06:21 <EvanR> the end is coming
300 2010-12-28 02:06:28 <theymos> Maybe Bitcoin-backed currencies like Open Transactions will become popular after the first subsidy adjustment happens and transactions become slow and expensive.
301 2010-12-28 02:06:45 <EvanR> why will they be slow? popularity?
302 2010-12-28 02:07:14 <EvanR> when difficulty drops wont things be business as usual
303 2010-12-28 02:07:55 <ArtForz> and who finds those 2016 blocks until difficulty drops? those "2 weeks nominal" could take a few months...
304 2010-12-28 02:08:18 <EvanR> well it would be silly to start a company to serve the needs of a two month slow network
305 2010-12-28 02:08:29 <EvanR> few months*
306 2010-12-28 02:09:04 <theymos> Generators could very well work together at that point to raise acceptable fees by 10x or more.
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308 2010-12-28 02:09:47 <ArtForz> anways, btc_per_block / 2 every 210000 blocks is imo a lot worse than btc_per_block * 150 / 151 every 2016 blocks
309 2010-12-28 02:09:50 <sipa> Diablo-D3: what does it do?
310 2010-12-28 02:10:14 <sipa> ArtForz: agree
311 2010-12-28 02:10:14 <EvanR> go start your own bitcoin ArtForz! xD
312 2010-12-28 02:10:55 <theymos> Satoshi must have had some reason for making the subsidy adjust like this.
313 2010-12-28 02:11:43 <EvanR> a giant april fools joke
314 2010-12-28 02:12:03 <ArtForz> I fucking hate unexplained magic numbers
315 2010-12-28 02:12:22 <Diablo-D3> sipa: I got rid of threads
316 2010-12-28 02:12:36 <sipa> why?
317 2010-12-28 02:12:46 <EvanR> pthreads is awful
318 2010-12-28 02:12:53 <Diablo-D3> sipa: trying to move the BML
319 2010-12-28 02:12:56 <Diablo-D3> (big miner lock)
320 2010-12-28 02:13:13 <sipa> Diablo-D3: btw, i upgraded to stream api 2.3, and now your miner is faster, and looping slows things down
321 2010-12-28 02:13:37 <Diablo-D3> sipa: except 2.3 is not faster than 2.1
322 2010-12-28 02:13:49 <sipa> except 2.1 just doesn't work here :)
323 2010-12-28 02:14:22 <sipa> llc gets started, and goes to 100% cpu usage, and nothing happens
324 2010-12-28 02:14:22 <Diablo-D3> why?
325 2010-12-28 02:14:34 <Diablo-D3> because of loops
326 2010-12-28 02:14:41 <Diablo-D3> 2.1 insanely unrolls huge loops
327 2010-12-28 02:14:57 <sipa> even with your miner, which i believe doesn't have loops?
328 2010-12-28 02:15:04 <ArtForz> use the xor luke
329 2010-12-28 02:16:21 <ArtForz> clc happily tries to unroll a loop of for(i = 0; i < 4096; i++) {nonce = base_nonce + i; hash; check}
330 2010-12-28 02:16:46 <ArtForz> it also unrolls base_nonce | i
331 2010-12-28 02:16:56 <sipa> ArtForz: i know about the xor trick
332 2010-12-28 02:17:38 <sipa> but since the code that causes the bug doesn't have any loops afaik, i wonder if that's the problem
333 2010-12-28 02:17:59 <ArtForz> that sounds weird
334 2010-12-28 02:18:16 <Diablo-D3> sipa: mine doesnt have loops, but 2.1 works fine on 4xxx hardware + 10.12
335 2010-12-28 02:18:18 <ArtForz> so far I only got clc to 100% cpu until it OOMs with big loops
336 2010-12-28 02:18:42 <ArtForz> 2.1 with 10.9 10.10 and 10.12, no problems here
337 2010-12-28 02:18:45 <sipa> let's try
338 2010-12-28 02:18:53 <sipa> maybe i didn't test all combinations :)
339 2010-12-28 02:20:35 <EvanR> do bitcoind move commands enter into the block chain / use work
340 2010-12-28 02:20:55 <EvanR> or is it wallet-only
341 2010-12-28 02:21:28 <sipa> Diablo-D3: you're right, yours works with 2.1 - the python one doesn't
342 2010-12-28 02:21:34 <sipa> and indeed faster
343 2010-12-28 02:21:53 <theymos> EvanR: Wallet only.
344 2010-12-28 02:23:02 <EvanR> hrm.... doesnt seem to be a way to execute that move and also update a RDBMS about the payment being accepted
345 2010-12-28 02:23:09 <EvanR> transactionally
346 2010-12-28 02:24:35 * Diablo-D3 hides his distributed no single point of failure db prototype
347 2010-12-28 02:24:55 * EvanR eyes Diablo-D3 suspiciously
348 2010-12-28 02:27:44 <Diablo-D3> no, its not useful for what you want
349 2010-12-28 02:32:46 <Kiba> so the BitDNS effort die off?
350 2010-12-28 02:33:06 <EvanR> how do you handle overpayment?
351 2010-12-28 02:33:51 <ArtForz> no, it's .. uh... resting
352 2010-12-28 02:34:22 <nanotube> EvanR: i find it not to be in evidence. hehe
353 2010-12-28 02:35:56 <EvanR> i cant just 'not handle' stuff
354 2010-12-28 02:36:19 <ArtForz> sure can
355 2010-12-28 02:36:29 <EvanR> i guess the strategy is, keep the extra money, provide the goods
356 2010-12-28 02:37:27 <nanotube> EvanR: i'd venture to guess that it would be so rare, that you can handle it via direct communication with buyer, if it arises.
357 2010-12-28 02:38:06 <EvanR> yes
358 2010-12-28 02:38:15 <EvanR> but as far as code is concerned...
359 2010-12-28 02:42:46 <nanotube> EvanR: have it send you a special notification email if it happens...
360 2010-12-28 02:43:43 <nanotube> send goods, get special email, resolve refund with buyer via personal communication.
361 2010-12-28 02:44:21 <EvanR> ah
362 2010-12-28 02:46:35 <nanotube> just my .02btc :)
363 2010-12-28 02:53:44 <donpdonp> nanotube: omg lol nerdy
364 2010-12-28 03:02:28 <nanotube> heh
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369 2010-12-28 03:43:16 <Kiba> As the year began, the project appeared to be on its last legs â just another cypherpunk fever dream destined for the same dustbin as digital cash and assassination politics.
370 2010-12-28 03:43:19 <Kiba> ROFL
371 2010-12-28 03:43:25 <Kiba> digital cash is just getting started
372 2010-12-28 03:43:30 <Kiba> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/internet-war/
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377 2010-12-28 04:17:32 <theymos> What cheap GPU would you guys recommend that would allow me to play the latest games on at least medium settings for the next 2-3 years? I don't care about mining.
378 2010-12-28 04:18:24 <lfm> how cheap
379 2010-12-28 04:18:59 <theymos> Less than $200, but cheaper is better.
380 2010-12-28 04:19:47 <mrb_> hd 6850
381 2010-12-28 04:20:07 <lfm> qls
382 2010-12-28 04:22:26 <donpdonp> theymos: toms hardware does a best cards for the money post every month. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-recommendation-upgrade,2803.html
383 2010-12-28 04:22:27 <lfm> ya that 6850 is right at the $200 point now. It is a new model so it should be viable for a while
384 2010-12-28 04:24:22 <lfm> the next best are prolly the 5770 at about $100 now but it doesnt have dp floating point which may become more important but its hard to say.
385 2010-12-28 04:24:36 <Diablo-D3> theymos: 6850
386 2010-12-28 04:24:46 <Diablo-D3> its also the lowest card you can effectively mine at
387 2010-12-28 04:25:21 <Diablo-D3> 6850, 6870, 5850, 5870, 69xx, 5970, 6990
388 2010-12-28 04:25:33 <Diablo-D3> from slowest to fastest on combined 3D/mining scoring
389 2010-12-28 04:25:35 <lfm> one other is the 5830 which has dp floats but it sucks more power at $120
390 2010-12-28 04:25:40 <Diablo-D3> and, really, cost
391 2010-12-28 04:25:44 <Diablo-D3> lfm: no
392 2010-12-28 04:25:48 <Diablo-D3> never recommend 5830
393 2010-12-28 04:26:01 <Diablo-D3> they're so fucking shit
394 2010-12-28 04:26:09 <Diablo-D3> its better to just grab a 5770 at that point
395 2010-12-28 04:26:16 <Diablo-D3> and 6850s really arent that more expensive than a 5770
396 2010-12-28 04:27:07 <lfm> well if #200 vs $100 isnt significant, ok
397 2010-12-28 04:27:18 <Diablo-D3> $200? no
398 2010-12-28 04:27:31 <Diablo-D3> more like $180
399 2010-12-28 04:27:59 <Diablo-D3> 5770s are closer to $130
400 2010-12-28 04:28:12 <theymos> Thanks -- the 6850 looks good. Is anyone here selling one for BTC, by chance? I'm so sick of the drivers for my barely-useful nVidia 7950GT crashing.
401 2010-12-28 04:28:35 <lfm> thats just the prices I have at my favorite place right now. thay have a sale on 5770
402 2010-12-28 04:28:47 <Diablo-D3> Im looking at newegg prices
403 2010-12-28 04:29:06 <Diablo-D3> theymos: a 6850 gives you 3D of a 5850, but mining speed closer to a 5770
404 2010-12-28 04:29:19 <Diablo-D3> 6870 does 5870 3D, 5850 mining
405 2010-12-28 04:29:39 <Diablo-D3> pricing is pretty similar, 6870s are going for around 5850 prices
406 2010-12-28 04:29:51 <lfm> 6870 is another 50-60 bucks too
407 2010-12-28 04:30:33 <Diablo-D3> lfm: yeah, but so is a 5850
408 2010-12-28 04:30:42 <lfm> true
409 2010-12-28 04:31:24 <Diablo-D3> cheapest non-shit 5850 is $210, cheapest nonshit 6870 is $225
410 2010-12-28 04:31:28 <Diablo-D3> so they're in the same ballpark
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412 2010-12-28 04:31:57 <lfm> theymos check your local suppliers, they may have a sale
413 2010-12-28 04:32:09 <Diablo-D3> cheapest nonshit 5870 is $270
414 2010-12-28 04:32:55 <Diablo-D3> cheapest nonshit 6950 is $300, cheapest nonshit 6970 is $370
415 2010-12-28 04:34:38 <lfm> so if that $200 is a hard limit I think we agree 6850 is your best bet
416 2010-12-28 04:34:58 <Diablo-D3> yeah, 6850 is the cheapest card worth buying
417 2010-12-28 04:35:08 <Diablo-D3> 6850 prices are so slow it basically eliminates 5770 off the list
418 2010-12-28 04:35:22 <Diablo-D3> er, low
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420 2010-12-28 04:35:59 <theymos> I'll get that one, then. I don't do much GPU-intensive stuff, anyway. Probably I'll have to buy it from newegg -- there are few hardware suppliers near me.
421 2010-12-28 04:36:20 <lfm> plus for future proof the dp float support could become a big factor
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423 2010-12-28 04:39:35 <joe_1> we're up to .264 - we can do better. we can get up to 1.00 by new years
424 2010-12-28 04:40:16 <lfm> joe_1 get what up?
425 2010-12-28 04:40:28 <joe_1> the price for each bitcoin against usd
426 2010-12-28 04:40:30 <Cusipzzz> 1? pretty much no shot.
427 2010-12-28 04:41:03 <Diablo-D3> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125353
428 2010-12-28 04:41:06 <joe_1> if we each buy $100 we can probably blow out the market
429 2010-12-28 04:41:06 <Diablo-D3> theymos: ^
430 2010-12-28 04:41:25 <Diablo-D3> theymos: $10 more than the cheapest non-shit one, but it has extra cooling
431 2010-12-28 04:41:35 <lfm> I think its unlikely to get that high for a little while yet, mayebe by february
432 2010-12-28 04:43:18 <theymos> Diablo-D3: Thanks a lot! I don't know much about hardware, so I'll probably buy your recommendation.
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436 2010-12-28 04:47:42 <fabianhjr> Hey, poclbm just output "Accepted [date] part of hash.
437 2010-12-28 04:48:08 <fabianhjr> However, in the Bitcoin client it still doesn't show I generated something. :/
438 2010-12-28 04:48:22 <fabianhjr> Is that normal? Must I wait?
439 2010-12-28 04:49:02 <Diablo-D3> fabianhjr: the UI should if it was a valid block
440 2010-12-28 04:49:31 <fabianhjr> OMG, it isn't even showing it. >_<
441 2010-12-28 04:49:51 <Diablo-D3> wait 10 minutes
442 2010-12-28 04:49:57 <Diablo-D3> if it still doesnt, you didnt get one
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444 2010-12-28 04:50:41 <fabianhjr> >_< oh, well. I still got a part of a CPU pool block. xD
445 2010-12-28 04:51:05 <Diablo-D3> you're in a pool?
446 2010-12-28 04:51:05 <lfm> it wont show up in the gui client for 120 blocks
447 2010-12-28 04:51:12 <Diablo-D3> lfm: yes it will
448 2010-12-28 04:51:25 <Diablo-D3> it just wont be spendable for that many
449 2010-12-28 04:51:55 <Diablo-D3> fabianhjr: if you're in a pool, you dont get blocks.
450 2010-12-28 04:52:11 <fabianhjr> :/ No, I just generated a block trough my own via poclbm
451 2010-12-28 04:52:17 <Diablo-D3> ahh
452 2010-12-28 04:52:19 <fabianhjr> I am also in a pool for the CPU.
453 2010-12-28 04:52:27 <fabianhjr> They are separate things. :P
454 2010-12-28 04:52:28 <Diablo-D3> you should add your gpu to the pool
455 2010-12-28 04:52:44 <fabianhjr> I do, however, the pool is currently down
456 2010-12-28 04:52:58 <fabianhjr> Are you the guy behind Diablo Miner?
457 2010-12-28 04:53:13 <Diablo-D3> yes
458 2010-12-28 04:53:23 <fabianhjr> Cool :D
459 2010-12-28 04:53:31 <fabianhjr> Had heard really cool things about it.
460 2010-12-28 04:55:00 <fabianhjr> :/ anyone knows what's wrong with 91.121.29.91?
461 2010-12-28 04:55:31 <Diablo-D3> I dont recognize that ip
462 2010-12-28 04:56:01 <fabianhjr> It is of my remote-miner. It is on the forums under Project Dev if I remember right.
463 2010-12-28 04:56:16 <fabianhjr> It is "the pool" address.
464 2010-12-28 04:56:20 <theymos> It's been down for a while.
465 2010-12-28 04:56:28 <Diablo-D3> thats not slush's pool
466 2010-12-28 04:57:26 <theymos> It's the successor to doublec's pool.
467 2010-12-28 04:57:27 <fabianhjr> No, it is not. There is a guy with a dedi that offered himeself to take the his place.
468 2010-12-28 04:57:44 <fabianhjr> Already generated 1 block and took a 4.x BTC share.
469 2010-12-28 05:00:44 <fabianhjr> damn, poclbm crashed. :/ deja vu.
470 2010-12-28 05:07:51 <fabianhjr> Ok, the Bitcoin client/GUI still doesn't show I generated a block. Could it be a recent change in difficulty that anulated the block?
471 2010-12-28 05:08:54 <lfm> ;;bc,status
472 2010-12-28 05:08:54 <gribble> Error: "bc,status" is not a valid command.
473 2010-12-28 05:09:17 <lfm> ;;bc,stat
474 2010-12-28 05:09:18 <gribble> Error: "bc,stat" is not a valid command.
475 2010-12-28 05:09:28 <lfm> ;;bc,stats
476 2010-12-28 05:09:30 <gribble> Current Blocks: 99783 | Current Difficulty: 14484.16236123 | Next Difficulty At Block: 100799 | Next Difficulty In: 1016 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 12 hours, 54 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 15635.05156590
477 2010-12-28 05:10:01 <lfm> nope, last difficulty change was 1000 blocks ago
478 2010-12-28 05:10:38 <lfm> fabian perhaps you just lost a race condition is all, bad luck
479 2010-12-28 05:11:47 <fabianhjr> race condition?
480 2010-12-28 05:11:58 <fabianhjr> :/ Sorry, I am new.
481 2010-12-28 05:12:16 <lfm> fabian ya when two peole find different blocks at near the same time
482 2010-12-28 05:12:25 <lfm> people
483 2010-12-28 05:12:48 <fabianhjr> Oh, ok, so the smallest value is considered to be the first?
484 2010-12-28 05:13:09 <theymos> No, the first one to broadcast is the first.
485 2010-12-28 05:13:19 <fabianhjr> And shouldn't I see a "failed to integrate to the chain" message at my client?
486 2010-12-28 05:13:19 <lfm> um, not quite. the one that the most nodes support wins
487 2010-12-28 05:13:25 <lfm> sorta
488 2010-12-28 05:13:40 <fabianhjr> Well, there is "nothing". >_<
489 2010-12-28 05:14:02 <lfm> usually, its a big lottery
490 2010-12-28 05:14:19 <theymos> Usually the first to broadcast gets the most peers, unless the blocks were broadcast within a few seconds of each other.
491 2010-12-28 05:14:35 <fabianhjr> 5 days earlier I generated 4.47 BTC and like 30 minutes ago I was suppose to generate a whole new block by myself(50 BTC) However, it never registered in my client.
492 2010-12-28 05:15:09 <lfm> fabian I dont know if there is a message for that
493 2010-12-28 05:15:10 <fabianhjr> The issue in hand is that the client is not registering the even at all.
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495 2010-12-28 05:15:50 <fabianhjr> Shouldn't the "Generated 50 BTC(Maturing in x blocks) message be changed for a "failed" one?
496 2010-12-28 05:16:19 <lfm> fabian did you get a message thet you had got a valid block? what exactly was the message?
497 2010-12-28 05:17:03 <lfm> if it says that then you got it
498 2010-12-28 05:17:16 <fabianhjr> in poclbm I got an "Accepted [date] [small digest of hash]
499 2010-12-28 05:17:35 <fabianhjr> In Bitcoin it never appeared(The client)
500 2010-12-28 05:17:48 <fabianhjr> I got it set up as a server so poclbm connects to localhost.
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502 2010-12-28 05:18:11 <lfm> huh? did you or didnt you get the "Generated 50 BTC(Maturing in x blocks)" message?
503 2010-12-28 05:20:22 <fabianhjr> No I didn't. That's the issue. While poclbm told me I generated a block I didn't saw a thing in Bitcoin.
504 2010-12-28 05:20:35 <theymos> fabianhjr: When was this? Bitcoin waits a block before showing generations in the UI.
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506 2010-12-28 05:22:04 <fabianhjr> It was 30 min ago.
507 2010-12-28 05:22:14 <fabianhjr> still nothing.
508 2010-12-28 05:23:17 <lfm> last block generated was at 4:57 UTC, nothing since so you maybe still need to wait for the first confirming block
509 2010-12-28 05:23:21 <fabianhjr> The funny thing is that I closed poclbm to go to sleep and I noticed that. I opened Bitcoin and the surprise started.
510 2010-12-28 05:23:38 <fabianhjr> What time UTC is it currently?
511 2010-12-28 05:23:48 <nanotube> ;;echo $utc
512 2010-12-28 05:23:48 <gribble> Tue Dec 28 05:21:18 2010
513 2010-12-28 05:24:03 <fabianhjr> Wow, is everyoen sleeping? 0_o
514 2010-12-28 05:24:24 <lfm> prolly more than half the world awake
515 2010-12-28 05:24:45 <marioxcc> 11:22 here
516 2010-12-28 05:24:48 <fabianhjr> xD Wasn't it suppose that every 10 min there was a block?
517 2010-12-28 05:24:57 <fabianhjr> 11:22 in Mexico City
518 2010-12-28 05:24:57 <marioxcc> fabianhjr: in averange
519 2010-12-28 05:24:59 <nanotube> on average
520 2010-12-28 05:25:06 <theymos> What is the hash of your block? Does it exist on BBE?
521 2010-12-28 05:25:10 <lfm> fabian ya but it is random, it averages 10 min
522 2010-12-28 05:25:11 <fabianhjr> Yeah, that is like 3x average :P
523 2010-12-28 05:25:14 <marioxcc> fabianhjr: ¿do you live in mexico?
524 2010-12-28 05:25:23 <fabianhjr> I do, soy chilango.
525 2010-12-28 05:25:41 <marioxcc> fine, i'm from veracruz
526 2010-12-28 05:25:42 <marioxcc> hehe
527 2010-12-28 05:25:52 <fabianhjr> :P how is the climate over there?
528 2010-12-28 05:25:59 <marioxcc> a bit cold
529 2010-12-28 05:26:08 <fabianhjr> 5c?
530 2010-12-28 05:26:15 <marioxcc> no so cold
531 2010-12-28 05:26:22 <marioxcc> maybe in Perote it is
532 2010-12-28 05:26:28 <lfm> minus 5 c here
533 2010-12-28 05:26:31 <fabianhjr> We are like that in the mornings in Mexico City :P
534 2010-12-28 05:26:33 <marioxcc> hehe
535 2010-12-28 05:26:47 <fabianhjr> lol. I miss Canada already. :P
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537 2010-12-28 05:26:56 <marioxcc> do you know how to get BTC from MXN?
538 2010-12-28 05:27:44 <lfm> there should be several options for buying BTC at mtgox.com
539 2010-12-28 05:28:08 <marioxcc> only from dollars
540 2010-12-28 05:28:10 <lfm> generally easier to buy BTC than to sell then I think
541 2010-12-28 05:28:25 <fabianhjr> It is the same :P
542 2010-12-28 05:28:32 <lfm> but if you have credit card maybe
543 2010-12-28 05:28:43 <marioxcc> i don't, i value my privacity :)
544 2010-12-28 05:28:57 <fabianhjr> You just got the options to pussy wait for the buyer/seller or go for it at market price(hit it) :P
545 2010-12-28 05:29:01 <marioxcc> *privacy
546 2010-12-28 05:29:08 <lfm> ok, you dont have bank account either then?
547 2010-12-28 05:29:13 <fabianhjr> marioxcc: how much you need?
548 2010-12-28 05:29:34 <marioxcc> really i need none
549 2010-12-28 05:29:35 <fabianhjr> I currently have like 3 BTC and soon will generate 50.
550 2010-12-28 05:29:39 <marioxcc> i want to know how it's the price
551 2010-12-28 05:29:48 <marioxcc> compared to pesos
552 2010-12-28 05:29:48 <fabianhjr> 0.25 USD per BTC
553 2010-12-28 05:29:58 <marioxcc> hey, how do you know you will soon generate 50?
554 2010-12-28 05:30:03 <fabianhjr> There is currently no market in Mexico. it is a shame.
555 2010-12-28 05:30:09 <marioxcc> yes :(
556 2010-12-28 05:30:16 <fabianhjr> Cus I got a freaking 5870 :P
557 2010-12-28 05:30:26 <lfm> mario you dont know when. it is like a lottery
558 2010-12-28 05:30:32 <marioxcc> 5870 of what?
559 2010-12-28 05:30:41 <marioxcc> lfm: that's why i'm asking how he could know
560 2010-12-28 05:30:43 <fabianhjr> An ATI Radeon HD 5870 :P
561 2010-12-28 05:31:00 <lfm> he just expects the odds, he doesnt know
562 2010-12-28 05:31:03 <nanotube> ;;google calc .25 usd in mexican peso
563 2010-12-28 05:31:03 <marioxcc> ok
564 2010-12-28 05:31:04 <gribble> .25 US dollars = 3.0849 Mexican pesos
565 2010-12-28 05:31:17 <nanotube> so, 1 btc is just above 3 mx peso
566 2010-12-28 05:31:24 <fabianhjr> There you go, 3 MXN per BTC :P
567 2010-12-28 05:31:31 <nanotube> ;;bc,mtgox
568 2010-12-28 05:31:31 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.27,"low":0.252,"vol":5174,"buy":0.262,"sell":0.268,"last":0.264}}
569 2010-12-28 05:31:33 <marioxcc> yes
570 2010-12-28 05:31:42 <nanotube> actually, a bit above... going by mtgox price
571 2010-12-28 05:31:43 <marioxcc> they're getting higher on mtgox
572 2010-12-28 05:31:50 <fabianhjr> Wow, it increased one whole cent over the day :D
573 2010-12-28 05:32:06 * fabianhjr goes to Mt Gox Tech Analysis blog.
574 2010-12-28 05:32:22 <lfm> so last was 0.264 us$
575 2010-12-28 05:32:24 <marioxcc> fabianhjr: do you run your GPU miner with free software? :)
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577 2010-12-28 05:33:20 <fabianhjr> Part of. The miner is free software and the OS Win7 for the games.
578 2010-12-28 05:33:29 <fabianhjr> Just baough BF:BC2
579 2010-12-28 05:33:35 <marioxcc> oh, it's a pity :(
580 2010-12-28 05:33:47 <fabianhjr> Though, I use Arch Linux or Debian from time to time.
581 2010-12-28 05:34:13 <fabianhjr> marioxcc: calm down, :P I also play FOSS games like Cube 2: Sauerbraten
582 2010-12-28 05:34:38 <marioxcc> fabianhjr: for free software supporteres the issue is not to use free software but not to use proprietary software
583 2010-12-28 05:34:51 <marioxcc> (like me)
584 2010-12-28 05:35:18 <marioxcc> I would put my Q6600 to generate but seems like it overheats
585 2010-12-28 05:35:37 <lfm> bill gates needs to eat too, he cant just give his work away! grin
586 2010-12-28 05:35:41 <marioxcc> reach 70+ °C soon after I put all cores to work
587 2010-12-28 05:36:03 <marioxcc> lfm: free in "free software" means free as in freedom
588 2010-12-28 05:36:07 <marioxcc> not free as in free beer
589 2010-12-28 05:36:10 <fabianhjr> marioxcc: are you OCing?
590 2010-12-28 05:36:21 <marioxcc> fabianhjr: no, it's running with default frecuency
591 2010-12-28 05:36:35 <fabianhjr> Had you checked the heatsink for anything that interferes with the proper functioning?
592 2010-12-28 05:36:42 <marioxcc> yes
593 2010-12-28 05:36:47 <marioxcc> maybe dust
594 2010-12-28 05:36:56 <marioxcc> but I cleaned it some time ago
595 2010-12-28 05:37:00 <marioxcc> and made little or no difference
596 2010-12-28 05:37:07 <fabianhjr> marioxcc: then UO it until it has safe temps.
597 2010-12-28 05:37:24 <fabianhjr> s/UO/UC
598 2010-12-28 05:37:26 <marioxcc> fabianhjr: it's fine if I don't run it at 100%
599 2010-12-28 05:37:30 <fabianhjr> Sorry, falling asleep.
600 2010-12-28 05:37:38 <marioxcc> no problem
601 2010-12-28 05:37:48 <marioxcc> it reached 74 now
602 2010-12-28 05:38:33 <marioxcc> it's reported by lmsensors as coretemp-isa-000X X=[0,3]
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604 2010-12-28 05:39:01 <fabianhjr> Underclock it to 80-90% stock?
605 2010-12-28 05:39:03 <marioxcc> 79 now, i will stop
606 2010-12-28 05:39:23 <marioxcc> soonly it downed to 70
607 2010-12-28 05:39:56 <marioxcc> maybe this is the temperature by design?
608 2010-12-28 05:40:14 <marioxcc> take into account it says core temperature, not case temperature
609 2010-12-28 05:40:22 <lfm> I have q6600 going full power at just 54C
610 2010-12-28 05:40:23 <marioxcc> so i don't really know
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612 2010-12-28 05:40:33 <fabianhjr> No, cores shouldn't touch the 80c mark.
613 2010-12-28 05:40:40 <marioxcc> lfm: what's your enviroment temperature?
614 2010-12-28 05:40:53 <fabianhjr> (During a 24 hour stability test)
615 2010-12-28 05:40:58 <lfm> I guess about 20c
616 2010-12-28 05:41:01 <marioxcc> fabianhjr: ok
617 2010-12-28 05:41:05 <marioxcc> thanks
618 2010-12-28 05:41:21 <fabianhjr> Are you using Fur Mark to test it?
619 2010-12-28 05:41:21 <marioxcc> I will try to clean the dust again
620 2010-12-28 05:41:30 <marioxcc> uh?
621 2010-12-28 05:41:33 <marioxcc> no
622 2010-12-28 05:41:45 <lfm> you have stock heat sink or aftermarket?
623 2010-12-28 05:41:46 <fabianhjr> It is a great Freeware app.
624 2010-12-28 05:41:51 <marioxcc> lfm: stock
625 2010-12-28 05:41:57 <marioxcc> fabianhjr: is it free software?
626 2010-12-28 05:42:03 <fabianhjr> V10 for my cpu.(I am bragging :P)
627 2010-12-28 05:42:13 <marioxcc> no idea what that means
628 2010-12-28 05:42:22 <lfm> ok, might wanna get a aftermarket heatsink especially for your warmer climate
629 2010-12-28 05:42:35 <marioxcc> lfm: maybe
630 2010-12-28 05:42:39 <marioxcc> not sure if they're worth the price
631 2010-12-28 05:42:46 <marioxcc> they're around 2000 MXN
632 2010-12-28 05:42:55 <nanotube> or, just get a tube of some good arctic silver paste... clean and remount the heatsink.
633 2010-12-28 05:42:57 <marioxcc> the CPU was worth 4000+ when i buyed it
634 2010-12-28 05:42:58 <nanotube> marioxcc: --^
635 2010-12-28 05:43:09 <lfm> I like the freezer 7 pro, they arnt too expensive
636 2010-12-28 05:43:27 <marioxcc> I'm planning to build a water cooling system
637 2010-12-28 05:43:37 <marioxcc> the pre-built ones are crazy expensive
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639 2010-12-28 05:43:44 <lfm> not sure if water cooling is worth the bother myself
640 2010-12-28 05:43:54 <fabianhjr> http://xtreview.com/images/Cooler%20Master%20%20V8%20-%20V10%2002.jpg <- My heatsink :D
641 2010-12-28 05:44:11 <marioxcc> :)
642 2010-12-28 05:44:23 <marioxcc> how much did you paid for it?
643 2010-12-28 05:44:37 <fabianhjr> marioxcc: 1500 MXN
644 2010-12-28 05:44:42 <fabianhjr> Mas o menos.
645 2010-12-28 05:44:49 <marioxcc> :)
646 2010-12-28 05:44:54 <marioxcc> that is the problem
647 2010-12-28 05:44:56 <fabianhjr> It is as wide as my ATX motherboard :P
648 2010-12-28 05:45:08 <marioxcc> around 25% the price of the CPU itself xd
649 2010-12-28 05:45:10 <lfm> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134&cm_re=freezer_7-_-35-186-134-_-Product
650 2010-12-28 05:45:26 <BoBeR> NGEN
651 2010-12-28 05:45:31 <fabianhjr> marioxcc: the cool thing is that it has a dielectric plate for enhaced cooling performance. :P
652 2010-12-28 05:45:52 <marioxcc> fabianhjr: dielectric means electrical insulator
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654 2010-12-28 05:46:12 <fabianhjr> marioxcc: I pulled a 25% OC with stock temps with this heatsink.
655 2010-12-28 05:46:22 <marioxcc> sweet :)
656 2010-12-28 05:46:23 <fabianhjr> Got my i7 930 to 3.5 GHz stable.
657 2010-12-28 05:46:34 <fabianhjr> From the 2.8 GHz stock
658 2010-12-28 05:46:53 <marioxcc> when this one crashes
659 2010-12-28 05:46:57 <lfm> those dielectric things are REALLY inefficient. they can suck more power than the rest of the system put together
660 2010-12-28 05:46:59 <marioxcc> i plan to buy an AMD
661 2010-12-28 05:47:17 <marioxcc> Intel don't seems to be serious enough about their non-server platforms
662 2010-12-28 05:47:22 <marioxcc> first core 2 series
663 2010-12-28 05:47:31 <marioxcc> now i[357]
664 2010-12-28 05:47:39 <fabianhjr> lfm: it is a small plate. I am aware they are not as efficient as a compression(typical fridge) system.
665 2010-12-28 05:47:50 <marioxcc> which are of course, socket-incompatible
666 2010-12-28 05:48:03 <fabianhjr> marioxcc: Get the Opetron then.
667 2010-12-28 05:48:12 <lfm> mario I agree I think AMD is better deal these days too
668 2010-12-28 05:48:25 <marioxcc> lfm: ok, why do you think so?
669 2010-12-28 05:48:31 <marioxcc> something specific? :)
670 2010-12-28 05:48:46 <marioxcc> fabianhjr: maybe I will do
671 2010-12-28 05:48:50 <lfm> just general price/performance
672 2010-12-28 05:48:50 <fabianhjr> Also, I heard their Semptron processors are Athlons x2 blocked. So some people had unblocked thema and showed to give you a free extra core.
673 2010-12-28 05:49:16 <fabianhjr> G2G, Good night.
674 2010-12-28 05:49:23 <marioxcc> ok, see you :)
675 2010-12-28 05:49:28 <lfm> bye
676 2010-12-28 05:49:39 <fabianhjr> Also, the "Generated 50 BTC" message never appeared.
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678 2010-12-28 05:49:51 <nanotube> ;;bc,stats
679 2010-12-28 05:49:53 <gribble> Current Blocks: 99791 | Current Difficulty: 14484.16236123 | Next Difficulty At Block: 100799 | Next Difficulty In: 1008 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 10 hours, 50 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 15678.31436925
680 2010-12-28 05:50:06 <nanotube> mmm... i wonder if we make it to 16k
681 2010-12-28 05:50:13 <nanotube> by next change
682 2010-12-28 05:50:41 <marioxcc> nanotube: ¿the difficulty you mean?
683 2010-12-28 05:50:51 <nanotube> yes, marioxcc
684 2010-12-28 05:50:54 <marioxcc> oh, isn't it decided by peers?
685 2010-12-28 05:51:01 <lfm> gonna need a bunch of new miners come online this week to make it go up much
686 2010-12-28 05:51:17 <nanotube> marioxcc: yes
687 2010-12-28 05:51:20 <marioxcc> ok
688 2010-12-28 05:51:30 <marioxcc> sorry, I didn't understood your phrase before
689 2010-12-28 05:51:38 <nanotube> lfm: well, it has been going up steadily... so the needed peers may already be online, just haven't averaged in yet. :)
690 2010-12-28 05:51:46 <lfm> he was predicting
691 2010-12-28 05:52:01 <nanotube> well, not predicting... just idly musing. :)
692 2010-12-28 05:53:02 <lfm> ya the estimates have been weak for the last week
693 2010-12-28 05:53:35 <marioxcc> is there any pool up?
694 2010-12-28 05:53:42 <nanotube> marioxcc: yep, see ,,pool
695 2010-12-28 05:53:42 <marioxcc> *minig poop
696 2010-12-28 05:53:43 <gribble> No fancy GPU farm, and don't want to wait for months for a block gen? Join the mining pool! http://mining.bitcoin.cz/
697 2010-12-28 05:53:53 <marioxcc> thanks
698 2010-12-28 05:54:01 <marioxcc> It should be added to the wiki I think
699 2010-12-28 05:54:22 <lfm> poop pool? Id rather not
700 2010-12-28 05:54:26 <marioxcc> maybe then the wiki page should be linked from the official bitcoin FAQ
701 2010-12-28 05:54:31 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: yo? interview question still need working on
702 2010-12-28 05:54:37 <marioxcc> lfm: ?
703 2010-12-28 05:54:46 <nanotube> marioxcc: it is on the wiki
704 2010-12-28 05:55:14 <nanotube> ;;bc,wiki pooled mining
705 2010-12-28 05:55:14 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Pooled_Mining | Dec 24, 2010 ... Pooled mining is an approach where multiple generating clients contribute to the generation of a block, and then split the block reward ...
706 2010-12-28 05:55:21 <marioxcc> oh, ok
707 2010-12-28 05:55:27 <marioxcc> sorry for the redundant question then
708 2010-12-28 05:56:18 <lfm> thats ok we all cant know everything
709 2010-12-28 05:57:34 <marioxcc> I usually say there isn't dumb question but the ones alredy answered
710 2010-12-28 05:57:49 <nanotube> but you have to know where to look. :) so it's fine.
711 2010-12-28 05:57:59 <marioxcc> ok
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713 2010-12-28 05:58:48 <marioxcc> hmm
714 2010-12-28 05:59:16 <nanotube> of course... now you know where to look. :)
715 2010-12-28 05:59:46 <marioxcc> yes
716 2010-12-28 06:00:39 <marioxcc> hmm
717 2010-12-28 06:00:40 <nanotube> i wonder how many spanish speaking users we have ...
718 2010-12-28 06:00:47 <marioxcc> you just have to ask
719 2010-12-28 06:01:02 <marioxcc> alguien más habla español? :)
720 2010-12-28 06:01:12 <marioxcc> nanotube: where are you from?
721 2010-12-28 06:01:55 <nanotube> usa. y hablo espanol un poco ;)
722 2010-12-28 06:01:56 <noagendamarket> space
723 2010-12-28 06:02:02 <noagendamarket> :)-
724 2010-12-28 06:02:06 <nanotube> yea, that too. hehe
725 2010-12-28 06:02:48 <lfm> i come from my mother's belly. dont you?
726 2010-12-28 06:02:48 <marioxcc> ok
727 2010-12-28 06:03:05 <nanotube> no, i don't think i've ever seen your mother's belly, lfm :P heh
728 2010-12-28 06:03:33 <lfm> so you'r a robot or an alien! wow
729 2010-12-28 06:03:51 <marioxcc> lfm: What if we're a IA experiment running on a supercomputer?
730 2010-12-28 06:03:59 <marioxcc> ;)
731 2010-12-28 06:03:59 <lfm> cool
732 2010-12-28 06:04:14 <marioxcc> now, really
733 2010-12-28 06:04:20 * nanotube waves tentacles
734 2010-12-28 06:04:26 <marioxcc> i'm a free software supporter
735 2010-12-28 06:04:51 <marioxcc> i think bitcoin is a step towrds a free virtual money exchange system :)
736 2010-12-28 06:04:58 <marioxcc> free as in freedom
737 2010-12-28 06:05:27 <marioxcc> it could be better if they were a comprehensive doccumentation of the protocol the client uses
738 2010-12-28 06:05:31 <marioxcc> RFC-like
739 2010-12-28 06:06:01 <nanotube> there are people working on that...
740 2010-12-28 06:06:29 <lfm> yes, the desire for a protocol secification has been noted several time by other people
741 2010-12-28 06:07:08 <lfm> it seems Satoshi has been kinda resisting it
742 2010-12-28 06:07:27 <nanotube> well... only ignoring it, it seems to me, rather than resisting.
743 2010-12-28 06:07:53 <marioxcc> for me, it's fine if he do
744 2010-12-28 06:08:00 <lfm> ya resisting in a non co-operative way
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746 2010-12-28 06:08:40 <marioxcc> i just say it would be very good to...
747 2010-12-28 06:08:46 <marioxcc> not that someone should be forced to ...
748 2010-12-28 06:08:49 <marioxcc> which is a very different thing
749 2010-12-28 06:09:11 <marioxcc> what I really like of my core 2 quad is to do
750 2010-12-28 06:09:12 <marioxcc> make -j4
751 2010-12-28 06:09:14 <marioxcc> oh yeah!
752 2010-12-28 06:09:23 <lfm> ya, Im just saying we would have had one long time ago i think if Satoshi cooperated
753 2010-12-28 06:09:36 <marioxcc> ok
754 2010-12-28 06:10:44 <lfm> like it could be a lot worse I know since he does realease the full source code
755 2010-12-28 06:11:30 <marioxcc> (or put it under a proprietary license)
756 2010-12-28 06:11:30 <marioxcc> sure
757 2010-12-28 06:11:50 <marioxcc> i'm also thinking of a P2P collective mining
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760 2010-12-28 06:14:25 <ciuciu> ;;bc,stats
761 2010-12-28 06:14:28 <gribble> Current Blocks: 99794 | Current Difficulty: 14484.16236123 | Next Difficulty At Block: 100799 | Next Difficulty In: 1005 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 10 hours, 22 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 15692.92234840
762 2010-12-28 06:14:53 <marioxcc> because everybody counts sha256 hashes from the same range. Two separate CPUs with 1000khash/s isn't the same as one 2000khash/s machine!.
763 2010-12-28 06:15:02 <marioxcc> is this true?
764 2010-12-28 06:15:16 <marioxcc> It wouldn't make sense to me if they used the very same range
765 2010-12-28 06:15:44 <lfm> evberyone has different keys to start so they have different blocks to discover
766 2010-12-28 06:16:35 <lfm> 256 bit hashes are big with lots of room for everyone
767 2010-12-28 06:16:46 <marioxcc> so the above statement is false?
768 2010-12-28 06:16:55 <marioxcc> (it's a quote, i didn't wrote that)
769 2010-12-28 06:17:24 <nanotube> yes, it's false. two cpus at 1000 khps give you exactly the same thing as one cpu with 2000 khps.
770 2010-12-28 06:17:36 <nanotube> (as far as probability of finding a block, that is)
771 2010-12-28 06:17:41 <marioxcc> ok
772 2010-12-28 06:18:47 <nanotube> where did you see that? hopefully not anywhere in the official documentation/wiki? :)
773 2010-12-28 06:19:13 <marioxcc> no
774 2010-12-28 06:19:17 <marioxcc> in the forums
775 2010-12-28 06:19:33 <nanotube> ah
776 2010-12-28 06:19:46 <marioxcc> do you think GPU miners are a good thing?
777 2010-12-28 06:20:32 <nanotube> imo, yes. they raise the barrier to attacking the network with cpu power.
778 2010-12-28 06:20:35 <marioxcc> ok
779 2010-12-28 06:20:53 <nanotube> but regardless of what i think... they're here to stay. :)
780 2010-12-28 06:20:58 <marioxcc> yes
781 2010-12-28 06:21:11 <lfm> i think they are not god and not bad, they just are what they are.
782 2010-12-28 06:24:14 <BoBeR> why do birs suddenly appear
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784 2010-12-28 06:25:07 <lfm> birdsà que sira sira
785 2010-12-28 06:26:35 <marioxcc> ok, now generating
786 2010-12-28 06:26:53 <marioxcc> would you bother a hardware related question (offtopic)?
787 2010-12-28 06:26:53 <nanotube> what's your khps? and what is your cost of electricity? :)
788 2010-12-28 06:27:18 <nanotube> just ask and see what people say. heh
789 2010-12-28 06:27:26 <marioxcc> 581.80 khash/sec
790 2010-12-28 06:27:29 <marioxcc> 1 thread
791 2010-12-28 06:27:31 <marioxcc> uh?
792 2010-12-28 06:27:37 <marioxcc> it was almost double with default client
793 2010-12-28 06:27:51 <nanotube> default client does more threads than 1 by default.
794 2010-12-28 06:28:06 <marioxcc> i setup 1 thread
795 2010-12-28 06:28:23 <marioxcc> around 1000 khash/s with one thread
796 2010-12-28 06:28:26 <marioxcc> hmm
797 2010-12-28 06:28:32 <marioxcc> algorithm "c" seems to run faster
798 2010-12-28 06:29:20 <marioxcc> the another question was
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800 2010-12-28 06:29:33 <marioxcc> I have a problem booting
801 2010-12-28 06:29:50 <marioxcc> some time ago when I pushed the powerup buttom
802 2010-12-28 06:30:04 <marioxcc> the computer seemd to start (CPU fan started, for instance)
803 2010-12-28 06:30:07 <marioxcc> for a few seconds
804 2010-12-28 06:30:10 <marioxcc> then it stopped
805 2010-12-28 06:30:25 <marioxcc> repating some times made it work
806 2010-12-28 06:30:34 <marioxcc> once on, there was no problem
807 2010-12-28 06:30:39 <marioxcc> i replaced the PSU
808 2010-12-28 06:30:45 <marioxcc> the new one booted fine the first time
809 2010-12-28 06:30:58 <marioxcc> the second time (next day)
810 2010-12-28 06:30:58 <marioxcc> didn't
811 2010-12-28 06:31:00 <marioxcc> the leds in the keyword, for instance
812 2010-12-28 06:31:02 <marioxcc> flashed
813 2010-12-28 06:31:19 <lfm> maybe marginal memory or motherboard
814 2010-12-28 06:31:23 <marioxcc> and I could approximately see the voltage up with the voltmeter
815 2010-12-28 06:31:30 <marioxcc> *go up
816 2010-12-28 06:31:38 <marioxcc> lfm: not very likley
817 2010-12-28 06:31:44 <marioxcc> I tried with the old PSU
818 2010-12-28 06:31:47 <marioxcc> and it worked
819 2010-12-28 06:31:50 <marioxcc> it booted
820 2010-12-28 06:32:02 <marioxcc> then i reconnected the new one
821 2010-12-28 06:32:03 <marioxcc> and worked
822 2010-12-28 06:32:12 <marioxcc> what do you think the problem may be?
823 2010-12-28 06:32:20 <lfm> heat relatedÃ
824 2010-12-28 06:32:50 <marioxcc> hmm, ok
825 2010-12-28 06:33:37 <lfm> thermal paste not applied right maybe
826 2010-12-28 06:33:51 <marioxcc> ok, I will check
827 2010-12-28 06:33:52 <nanotube> never hurts to try reseating your ram.
828 2010-12-28 06:34:04 <marioxcc> ¿what do you mean by "reseating"?
829 2010-12-28 06:34:32 <lfm> just pull em out and push em in again
830 2010-12-28 06:34:41 <marioxcc> lol, ok
831 2010-12-28 06:34:51 <Kiba> some guy named pull is either desperate for help
832 2010-12-28 06:34:53 <nanotube> yea, that.
833 2010-12-28 06:34:57 <Kiba> or he's trolling us
834 2010-12-28 06:34:59 <Kiba> hmm
835 2010-12-28 06:35:16 <lfm> hm
836 2010-12-28 06:35:37 <Kiba> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2491.0
837 2010-12-28 06:35:39 <bitbot> I have nowhere else to turn..
838 2010-12-28 06:36:19 <marioxcc> spam?
839 2010-12-28 06:37:43 <nanotube> yea seems like something to be ignored.
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843 2010-12-28 06:38:33 <nanotube> as you said, kiba... it is not some established member of the community, so probably just scammer
844 2010-12-28 06:38:44 <marioxcc> also, why would someone post a help message in a internent forum?
845 2010-12-28 06:38:50 <marioxcc> that's the most ilogical thing to do
846 2010-12-28 06:39:11 <marioxcc> I think it make more sense to ask neighbour, familiar, local charity houses and so
847 2010-12-28 06:39:20 <marioxcc> internet is the last resource for that kind of things
848 2010-12-28 06:39:24 <nanotube> yea
849 2010-12-28 06:39:31 <Kiba> I found him on goldforum
850 2010-12-28 06:39:33 <Kiba> and some other site
851 2010-12-28 06:40:52 <Kiba> anyway
852 2010-12-28 06:40:53 <Kiba> good night
853 2010-12-28 06:41:09 <marioxcc> see you :)
854 2010-12-28 06:41:15 <nanotube> ttyl
855 2010-12-28 06:43:33 <marioxcc> hmm
856 2010-12-28 06:43:37 <marioxcc> in a mining pool
857 2010-12-28 06:43:48 <marioxcc> there could be dishonest clients
858 2010-12-28 06:44:00 <marioxcc> that don't report the solved blocks
859 2010-12-28 06:44:09 <nanotube> marioxcc: nope. read that pooled mining wiki page
860 2010-12-28 06:44:10 <marioxcc> but use them for their own?
861 2010-12-28 06:44:14 <marioxcc> oh, sure
862 2010-12-28 06:44:19 <marioxcc> sorry, sorry
863 2010-12-28 06:44:29 <nanotube> :)
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871 2010-12-28 06:59:46 <marioxcc> CPU temp is now below 60
872 2010-12-28 06:59:52 <marioxcc> and i'm working 2 cores at full
873 2010-12-28 06:59:55 <marioxcc> in the mining
874 2010-12-28 07:00:50 <marioxcc> strange
875 2010-12-28 07:02:29 <BoBeR> any one need anything found
876 2010-12-28 07:02:31 <BoBeR> personal info
877 2010-12-28 07:02:32 <BoBeR> porn
878 2010-12-28 07:02:34 <BoBeR> rarefiles
879 2010-12-28 07:02:42 <BoBeR> i can find almost anything
880 2010-12-28 07:05:17 <genjix> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2491.msg33646#msg33646
881 2010-12-28 07:05:21 <bitbot> I have nowhere else to turn.. : genjix: If you was in the UK I would try to put you up... help you out Sadly it's not possible cos you're in the USA. If someone agrees to let you stay then take that as a blessing and work your ass off to get up and running ASAP! Don't be a bummy leecher until they kick you out/get pissed @ you! and stay away from that ex! she so...
882 2010-12-28 07:06:18 <mizerydearia> BoBeR, The hash to the next block would be appreciated.
883 2010-12-28 07:06:43 <BoBeR> okay
884 2010-12-28 07:06:58 <BoBeR> well i can give you its SHA1 sum
885 2010-12-28 07:07:05 <BoBeR> and you can work from there
886 2010-12-28 07:07:12 <marioxcc> if i do kill the minerd (from cpuminer) instance
887 2010-12-28 07:07:18 <marioxcc> will it make some harm?
888 2010-12-28 07:07:29 <marioxcc> (to not to report the day blocks found for instance)
889 2010-12-28 07:07:39 <marioxcc> i'm going to sleep and temperature is going to rise in the morning
890 2010-12-28 07:07:59 <marioxcc> if there is no problem i will set up the system so minerd gets killed at say, 4 AM
891 2010-12-28 07:08:03 <marioxcc> would that me ok?
892 2010-12-28 07:08:13 <BoBeR> yes
893 2010-12-28 07:09:24 <nanotube> marioxcc: yea no problem to kill minerd. you won't lose anything
894 2010-12-28 07:09:31 <marioxcc> thanks you
895 2010-12-28 07:11:36 <marioxcc> done
896 2010-12-28 07:11:39 <marioxcc> good night and thanks
897 2010-12-28 07:11:43 marioxcc is now known as marioxcc-AFK
898 2010-12-28 07:11:44 <lfm> bye
899 2010-12-28 07:11:56 <lfm> dont do afk
900 2010-12-28 07:12:06 <nanotube> heh too late
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908 2010-12-28 07:33:41 <genjix> http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=277
909 2010-12-28 07:33:43 <genjix> oops
910 2010-12-28 07:33:47 <genjix> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2491.0
911 2010-12-28 07:33:49 <bitbot> I have nowhere else to turn..
912 2010-12-28 07:36:01 <chuck251> guy sounds schizo
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914 2010-12-28 07:38:49 <genjix> chuck251: how can you be such a cold bastard?
915 2010-12-28 07:40:56 <nanotube> a little cynicism goes a long way.
916 2010-12-28 07:42:40 <mizerydearia> Does anyone remember the json web url for retrieving current value of bitcoin or conversion rate?
917 2010-12-28 07:45:55 <chuck251> genjix, why do you think this random person is telling the truth? I have people ask me for money every time I go to the gas station, all have elaborate stories etc...
918 2010-12-28 07:46:25 <genjix> because his posting history across forums is consistent
919 2010-12-28 07:46:44 <genjix> he made a post with his gf's name, then afterwards went back and edited it with links to her profile instead
920 2010-12-28 07:46:56 <genjix> pictures match the history he's described.
921 2010-12-28 07:55:41 <genjix> http://www.myspace.com/delusionaldrunkenhostess/blog
922 2010-12-28 07:55:47 <genjix> look he even has a blog
923 2010-12-28 07:55:52 <genjix> check the dates
924 2010-12-28 07:56:58 <chuck251> he should post to reddit, they help people that are hard up all the time
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930 2010-12-28 08:23:28 <ThomasV> mizerydearia: http://bitcoinwatch.com/data-json.zip
931 2010-12-28 08:23:33 <mizerydearia> thanks
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933 2010-12-28 08:23:39 <mizerydearia> hmm
934 2010-12-28 08:24:57 <ThomasV> mizerydearia: there's also a mtgox php url where you can retrieve it
935 2010-12-28 08:26:24 <mizerydearia> ThomasV, thanks, specifically I was looking for http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/markets.json - found it in my logs ^_^
936 2010-12-28 08:26:38 <ThomasV> ok
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939 2010-12-28 08:28:55 <Guest4835> hey, anyone awake?
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944 2010-12-28 08:29:34 <sneak> the merkle tree, that is just over the transactions contained in the block, yes?
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948 2010-12-28 08:42:07 <genjix> http://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-forum/944109/poor_guy_needs_help.html
949 2010-12-28 08:42:10 INEEDMONEY1 is now known as INEEDMONEY
950 2010-12-28 08:42:11 <genjix> that guy is legit.
951 2010-12-28 08:48:08 <T_X> can someone explain to me, why I have this thing in my bitcoin client:
952 2010-12-28 08:48:08 <T_X> Status: 803 confirmations
953 2010-12-28 08:48:08 <T_X> Date: 23/12/10 06:23
954 2010-12-28 08:48:08 <T_X> Source: Generated
955 2010-12-28 08:48:08 <T_X> Credit: 0.07
956 2010-12-28 08:48:10 <T_X> Net amount: +0.07
957 2010-12-28 08:49:08 <chuck251> did you join a pool in the past?
958 2010-12-28 08:49:12 <T_X> I definitely haven't generated any coins myself and I also thought that it's not possible to generate 0.07 BTC
959 2010-12-28 08:49:19 <T_X> chuck251: yes
960 2010-12-28 08:49:24 <T_X> the mining.bitcoin.cz
961 2010-12-28 08:49:37 <ThomasV> it was a x-mas present
962 2010-12-28 08:49:52 <ThomasV> under the merkle tree
963 2010-12-28 08:49:58 <chuck251> some pools give you your share that way...
964 2010-12-28 08:50:41 <T_X> aha? I'd expected to have it as a transaction and not a generated then, hm
965 2010-12-28 08:51:25 <T_X> is there some documenentation about how a 0.07 generated can happen with the merkle tree?
966 2010-12-28 08:51:32 <T_X> *documentation
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971 2010-12-28 09:08:39 <mizerydearia> uhoh, /var/tmp/portage/x11-libs/wxGTK-2.9.1_pre9999/work/wxGTK-2.9.1_pre9999/src/common/evtloopcmn.cpp(75): assert "Assert failure" failed in Yield(): wxYield called recursively
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973 2010-12-28 09:10:41 <mizerydearia> http://pastebin.com/bGddQT5j
974 2010-12-28 09:11:08 <mizerydearia> It appeared clicking on the gui window.
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977 2010-12-28 09:23:59 <mizerydearia> What are the current drawbacks for triggering accepting payments using api function getreceivedbyaddress([bitcoinaddress], 0) <--- e.g. 0 confirmations
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990 2010-12-28 10:03:26 <sneak> anyone have a simple formula for "target" or "difficulty" to average number of hashes needed for a block solution?
991 2010-12-28 10:04:04 <sneak> is this correct?
992 2010-12-28 10:04:05 <sneak> ( 1/(currentTarget / 2^256) ) / (hashesPerSecond)
993 2010-12-28 10:04:29 <sneak> or, rather, without the division
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1002 2010-12-28 11:05:58 <mizerydearia> Would anyone like to test http://bitcoin.me/ and give feedback?
1003 2010-12-28 11:07:02 <Keefe> sneak: HashesNeededPerBlock = Difficulty * 2^32
1004 2010-12-28 11:07:15 <INEEDMONEY> dicks.bitcoin.me/youfaggot is available.
1005 2010-12-28 11:07:15 <INEEDMONEY> check
1006 2010-12-28 11:07:19 <mizerydearia> ^_^
1007 2010-12-28 11:07:50 <mizerydearia> It can be yours for only 0.01btc
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1011 2010-12-28 11:44:05 <slush> ;;seen Diablo-D3
1012 2010-12-28 11:44:05 <gribble> Diablo-D3 was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 6 hours, 47 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <Diablo-D3> thats not slush's pool
1013 2010-12-28 11:44:13 <Diablo-D3> what
1014 2010-12-28 11:44:26 <slush> Diablo-D3: Hi, my miner crashed during night :)
1015 2010-12-28 11:45:34 <slush> Diablo-D3: I changed nginx 50x error to json rpc error and miners were confused with that :)
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1017 2010-12-28 11:46:40 <slush> Diablo-D3: Pool now never return HTML stuff, but valid RPC response with result:null and some error
1018 2010-12-28 11:47:35 <slush> Diablo-D3: Could you fix it on your side, please? m0mchil promised it, too
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1020 2010-12-28 11:52:40 <Diablo-D3> slush: dont feed my miner json if its an error.
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1036 2010-12-28 12:53:51 <ThomasV> where can I find doc about bitcoind rpc ?
1037 2010-12-28 13:00:28 <ThomasV> oh, I found the wiki
1038 2010-12-28 13:04:37 <slush> Diablo-D3: I reverted HTTP 502 error handling back to html output. I will turn it on when miners won't crash on json rpc error
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1049 2010-12-28 13:51:34 <Diablo-D3> slush: you know what
1050 2010-12-28 13:51:38 <Diablo-D3> slush: fuck single getwork.
1051 2010-12-28 13:51:40 <Diablo-D3> I dont care anymore.
1052 2010-12-28 13:54:58 <dsg> slush: I'm getting "invalid or stale" errors intermittently, is this a problem with the pool? (never seen this before, and I haven't changed miners)
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1054 2010-12-28 14:08:55 <slush> dsg: everything looks fine on pool. How often do you get this error?
1055 2010-12-28 14:10:20 <slush> dsg: I see some errors from your workers, but it is long time ago (at least many blocks)
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1057 2010-12-28 14:11:31 <slush> dsg: dsg.zuul sent hash now and without problem
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1062 2010-12-28 14:20:32 <anon136> hello, can anyone read me
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1064 2010-12-28 14:21:42 <anon136> owel ill try again later
1065 2010-12-28 14:25:36 <sipa> anon136: yes
1066 2010-12-28 14:28:39 <anon136> hi, your forum and chat room are so much easier to get into than any other ive seen
1067 2010-12-28 14:28:49 <anon136> no validating in my email or anything
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1069 2010-12-28 14:37:08 <EvanR-work> just dont tell the trolls, spammers, scammers, phishers, cia spies, insane clowns, and glenn beck
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1073 2010-12-28 14:53:01 <dsg> slush: Yeah, I had to restart the miner for some reason
1074 2010-12-28 14:53:15 <dsg> It got a lot of those errors, and then stopped finding blocks
1075 2010-12-28 14:53:26 <dsg> Seems to be fine now.
1076 2010-12-28 14:53:32 <slush> weird
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1078 2010-12-28 15:04:41 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,stats
1079 2010-12-28 15:04:43 <gribble> Current Blocks: 99845 | Current Difficulty: 14484.16236123 | Next Difficulty At Block: 100799 | Next Difficulty In: 954 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 4 hours, 24 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 15602.61912027
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1084 2010-12-28 15:23:43 <anon136> so how long do you think itll take for me to generate my first coins at 1000khash/s is it still about 3 weeks like it says on the wiki
1085 2010-12-28 15:23:58 <UukGoblin> anon136,
1086 2010-12-28 15:24:02 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,calc 1000
1087 2010-12-28 15:24:03 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000 Khps, given current difficulty of 14484.16236123 , is 1 year, 50 weeks, 5 days, 0 hours, 16 minutes, and 43 seconds
1088 2010-12-28 15:24:13 <anon136> wow wtf
1089 2010-12-28 15:24:43 <UukGoblin> the difficulty went up... a bit
1090 2010-12-28 15:25:04 <anon136> no kidding 1 year >< idk if i have it in my to run this program for an entire year with no returns
1091 2010-12-28 15:25:16 <UukGoblin> consider using bitcoin pool then
1092 2010-12-28 15:25:18 <anon136> considering there is still a 50% chance itll take 2 years at that average
1093 2010-12-28 15:25:37 <UukGoblin> 1 year 50 weeks is 2 years /average/
1094 2010-12-28 15:25:45 <anon136> yea so 4
1095 2010-12-28 15:25:50 <UukGoblin> and the difficulty will probably continue to grow
1096 2010-12-28 15:26:21 <UukGoblin> if you don't have a good graphics card, bitcoin pool might be good for you
1097 2010-12-28 15:26:27 <anon136> i was going to buy 100$ worth and sit on them for like 20 years to see weather or not it could "win the lottery"
1098 2010-12-28 15:26:35 <slush> anon136: ,,pool
1099 2010-12-28 15:26:35 <gribble> No fancy GPU farm, and don't want to wait for months for a block gen? Join the mining pool! http://mining.bitcoin.cz/
1100 2010-12-28 15:27:24 <anon136> but i had to make an account with mtgox then liberty reserve then some other site for the trage to get libertyreserve credit
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1102 2010-12-28 15:27:59 <anon136> anyone here actually send cash to mtgox?
1103 2010-12-28 15:28:04 <UukGoblin> anon136, if you're based in UK, I can sell you some bitcoins for GBP
1104 2010-12-28 15:28:22 <anon136> nope i live in north carolina, usa
1105 2010-12-28 15:28:25 <UukGoblin> yes mtgox is a well reputable site, but I agree getting cash in and out is a bit complicated
1106 2010-12-28 15:28:34 <slush> anon136: or go to #bitcoin-otc and buy BTCs directly from traders. I did it this way twice
1107 2010-12-28 15:28:45 <UukGoblin> try #bitcoin-otc, it's an over-the-counter channel to get people to make transactions
1108 2010-12-28 15:29:02 <UukGoblin> although you'd have to give up your anonymity a bit ;-)
1109 2010-12-28 15:29:05 <anon136> how do i get dollars to them and how do i know i can trust them?
1110 2010-12-28 15:29:23 <UukGoblin> there's a rating system done on that channel
1111 2010-12-28 15:29:28 <anon136> the irc channel
1112 2010-12-28 15:29:37 <anon136> othats cool
1113 2010-12-28 15:29:39 <slush> anon136: bitcoin-otc.com
1114 2010-12-28 15:29:44 <UukGoblin> and you get dollars to them by whatever means you want, paypal, bank transfer, etc
1115 2010-12-28 15:30:02 <anon136> awesome ill prob do it
1116 2010-12-28 15:30:25 <anon136> at this point bitcoin realy appeals to me as the rational mans lottery
1117 2010-12-28 15:31:32 <anon136> highly speculative with the potential for huge returns but at the same time has a resonable cost to benifit ratio
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1119 2010-12-28 15:34:48 <afed> ;;bc,calc 500000
1120 2010-12-28 15:34:49 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 500000 Khps, given current difficulty of 14484.16236123 , is 1 day, 10 hours, 33 minutes, and 38 seconds
1121 2010-12-28 15:35:04 <afed> ;;bc,calc 800000
1122 2010-12-28 15:35:05 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 800000 Khps, given current difficulty of 14484.16236123 , is 21 hours, 36 minutes, and 1 second
1123 2010-12-28 15:35:22 <anon136> i just learned an awesome new word "Cryptocracy"
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1126 2010-12-28 15:45:10 <TD> solving the problem of easily buying/selling bitcoins for existing currencies is probably the next big challenge for the bitcoin community
1127 2010-12-28 15:45:23 <TD> the bitcoin2cc site and other things the mad hatter runs are a great start
1128 2010-12-28 15:45:25 <TD> US only though
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1130 2010-12-28 15:46:51 <ThomasV> that's gonna be an even greater challenge when governments try to shut it down :-D
1131 2010-12-28 15:47:42 <ThomasV> for the moment it is below the radar I guess
1132 2010-12-28 15:51:58 <TD> for a long time yet, i imagine
1133 2010-12-28 15:52:17 <TD> besides, it'll be harder for them to do that than shut down file sharing networks, and they didn't succeed there yet ....
1134 2010-12-28 15:54:03 <ThomasV> they cannot shut the network down, but they can track money transfers from/to it
1135 2010-12-28 15:54:44 <ThomasV> unless we only use cash :-)
1136 2010-12-28 15:55:33 <ThomasV> but a site like mtgox needs electronic money transfers
1137 2010-12-28 15:56:36 <TD> yes, they can do a VISA and make it hard to move from the existing system to bitcoin and vice versa
1138 2010-12-28 15:56:46 <TD> it's really hard to control all money flows though
1139 2010-12-28 15:56:56 <afed> what GPUs are you all using?
1140 2010-12-28 15:57:02 * TD does not generate blocks
1141 2010-12-28 15:57:13 <afed> o i c
1142 2010-12-28 15:57:23 <ThomasV> TD: sure, but it's easier than to control music flows
1143 2010-12-28 15:57:37 <afed> you obtain bitcoins by buying and selling goods and services then
1144 2010-12-28 15:57:51 <TD> by the time governments actually have a coherent response to BitCoin, I'd hope there'd be significant trade within the bitcoin economy
1145 2010-12-28 15:58:02 <TD> so moving them in and out of dollars/pounds/etc wouldn't have to be as common
1146 2010-12-28 15:58:15 <TD> you'd still need to do it for taxes and the like
1147 2010-12-28 15:58:29 <TD> i guess we'll see how it pans out
1148 2010-12-28 15:58:53 <TD> it'd be harder to do for another reason - there's less of a clear moral and legal framework for cracking down on BitCoin
1149 2010-12-28 15:59:04 <TD> copyright infringement is something that is illegal for clear reasons, lots of people support that, etc
1150 2010-12-28 15:59:10 <ThomasV> oh yes there is
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1152 2010-12-28 15:59:28 <ThomasV> money cleansing, drug dealing, terrorism
1153 2010-12-28 15:59:29 <TD> non-national currencies is a much trickier thing to convince people of badness
1154 2010-12-28 15:59:37 <TD> you can do that with existing currencies though
1155 2010-12-28 16:00:00 <ThomasV> not so conveniently as with btc
1156 2010-12-28 16:00:00 <TD> and things like WebMoney, are indeed already quite popular with online criminals
1157 2010-12-28 16:00:44 <ThomasV> my opinion is that being anti-government is a weakness of bitcoin
1158 2010-12-28 16:01:12 <ThomasV> it should be more govt-friendly
1159 2010-12-28 16:01:27 <ThomasV> getting rid of banks is already good enough
1160 2010-12-28 16:01:54 <davex__> how would it be made more govt friendly?
1161 2010-12-28 16:02:41 <ThomasV> I do not know, but if you want govt to live with it, they should be able to check that you are not cheating on VAT
1162 2010-12-28 16:03:42 <davex__> they can.
1163 2010-12-28 16:03:56 <ThomasV> how ?
1164 2010-12-28 16:04:00 <davex__> block explorer.
1165 2010-12-28 16:04:20 <ThomasV> not if you change your address on every transaction, I guess
1166 2010-12-28 16:04:20 <TD> the thing that causes problems for file sharing networks and bittorrent is not that it _can_ be used for illegal purposes
1167 2010-12-28 16:04:37 <TD> but rather, that's pretty much the only use of them, they are overwhelmingly dominated by illegal usage
1168 2010-12-28 16:04:46 <TD> if bitcoin developers healthily, that won't be such an issue
1169 2010-12-28 16:04:58 <TD> as the illegal usage will be of a similar level to regular currencies
1170 2010-12-28 16:05:00 <TD> or cash
1171 2010-12-28 16:07:49 <Kiba> if the government tell us what bitcoin should do, bitcoin will lose all its advantage
1172 2010-12-28 16:07:58 <Kiba> it will be just another federal reserve controlled currency
1173 2010-12-28 16:08:14 <anon136> bitcoin + craigslist = unstopable
1174 2010-12-28 16:09:28 <sipa> bitcoin itself has a hardwired inflation limit
1175 2010-12-28 16:09:51 <ThomasV> Kiba: there might be a fraction of users who are anti-government. I do believe that governments are necessary and that people should pay taxes.
1176 2010-12-28 16:10:02 <sipa> however, noone prevents banks from creating a layer of bitcoin-based accounts around it, with a fractional reserve
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1178 2010-12-28 16:10:57 <Kiba> the nice thing...about bitcoin, is that anybody can start up their own bank!
1179 2010-12-28 16:11:01 <anon136> they cant create the coins to lend
1180 2010-12-28 16:11:14 <ThomasV> and I also believe that we can live without banks (unless we need a credit)
1181 2010-12-28 16:11:23 <Kiba> banks are useful
1182 2010-12-28 16:11:28 <sipa> ThomasV: that's the one thing banks are useful for
1183 2010-12-28 16:11:31 <Kiba> like conducting microtransactions
1184 2010-12-28 16:11:43 <anon136> government can issue credit, in this way you dont NEED banks
1185 2010-12-28 16:11:56 <UukGoblin> ThomasV, that's cool, the nice thing about bitcoin is that it can be very appealing to a wide range of people with very different beliefs
1186 2010-12-28 16:12:14 <ThomasV> sipa: yes, but nobody will lend money if there is deflation
1187 2010-12-28 16:12:21 <sipa> why not?
1188 2010-12-28 16:12:31 <Kiba> there is no need to lend money if there is deflation, ThomasV
1189 2010-12-28 16:12:42 <ThomasV> well, unless the interest rate is negative, of course
1190 2010-12-28 16:13:09 <sipa> if i need 10000 BTC for my project, and i need it now, but i don't have it
1191 2010-12-28 16:13:12 <sipa> what will i do?
1192 2010-12-28 16:13:14 <Kiba> positive interest loans are probably possible..
1193 2010-12-28 16:13:27 <Kiba> well
1194 2010-12-28 16:13:28 <Kiba> possible
1195 2010-12-28 16:13:34 <Kiba> it could be used as a short term loan
1196 2010-12-28 16:14:13 <anon136> sign a contract with someone who does have 10000 btc and promise to repay with interest
1197 2010-12-28 16:14:14 <ThomasV> I completely disagree with Kiba
1198 2010-12-28 16:14:20 <anon136> it doesnt have to be a bank it can be a soverign wealth fund
1199 2010-12-28 16:14:34 <sipa> i call that a bank
1200 2010-12-28 16:14:42 <anon136> if i lend to my mom im a bank?
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1202 2010-12-28 16:14:56 <sipa> if you do that for profit, yes
1203 2010-12-28 16:15:20 <anon136> than yea we need banks according to that definition
1204 2010-12-28 16:15:40 <Kiba> ThomasV: pawn shop offer high interest loans
1205 2010-12-28 16:15:45 <ThomasV> yes we need banks for credits
1206 2010-12-28 16:15:56 <Kiba> and they don't often get their money back..so they take collateral
1207 2010-12-28 16:17:01 <sipa> anon136: i start a company (call it a bank or not), people send me bitcoins and i put them on their accounts, and they can withdraw those.
1208 2010-12-28 16:17:33 <sipa> i use those bitcoins to lend to other people, who sign a contract to repay me
1209 2010-12-28 16:17:49 <ThomasV> Kiba: usually a credit is guaranteed by the physical goods you own. and banks give you a credit because they know they can take your house/car/grandma if they do not recover
1210 2010-12-28 16:18:02 <ThomasV> and for that they use the police and govt
1211 2010-12-28 16:18:29 <sipa> other companies do the same, and we set up a system for paying from one bank to another, without people actually ever seeing the bitcoins themselves
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1213 2010-12-28 16:19:01 <fabianhjr> Hi, sup?
1214 2010-12-28 16:19:08 <fabianhjr> ;;bc,help
1215 2010-12-28 16:19:09 <gribble> Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,markets, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,poolstats, Alias bc,stats, Alias bc,timetonext, Alias bc,totalbc, and Alias bc,wiki
1216 2010-12-28 16:19:23 <sipa> after a while we notice that people mostly do interactions between these accounts, and the bitcoins themselves hardly ever really leave the bank (though they occasionally get transferred from one bank to another)
1217 2010-12-28 16:19:24 <fabianhjr> ;;bc,markets
1218 2010-12-28 16:19:25 <ThomasV> without govt and police, banks would not easily lend money
1219 2010-12-28 16:19:26 <gribble> bcmLRUSD: 0.26 (100 BTC) 0.25/None | bcmPPUSD: 0.295 (100 BTC) 0.261/0.3 | bcmPXGAU: 0.0061 (300 BTC) 0.0046/0.0062 | btcexJPY: 2 (0.8 BTC) None/None | btcexRUB: 8.7 (12.92 BTC) None/None | btcexWMR: 8.0556 (308 BTC) None/None | mtgoxUSD: 0.28 (15164.5 BTC) 0.261201/0.282
1220 2010-12-28 16:19:48 <fabianhjr> ThomasV: Well, that is how they pay your interest for saving with them. :/
1221 2010-12-28 16:19:50 <sipa> at that point, banks will have no problem in lending more bitcoins that they actually have
1222 2010-12-28 16:19:59 <anon136> there is one check on this system sipa
1223 2010-12-28 16:20:03 <anon136> we know btc cant infate
1224 2010-12-28 16:20:14 <fabianhjr> It can if everyone agrees to it :P
1225 2010-12-28 16:20:26 <anon136> if they were lending out non existing btc we would see inflation
1226 2010-12-28 16:20:34 <anon136> people would know immediately and there would be a run on the bank
1227 2010-12-28 16:20:45 <sipa> do you think so?
1228 2010-12-28 16:20:46 <davex__> ThomasV, read Hoppe's work on privatization of courts / police.
1229 2010-12-28 16:20:56 <anon136> well they could control it if they were really cleaver
1230 2010-12-28 16:20:57 <sipa> people didn't when banks were allowed to do so by law
1231 2010-12-28 16:21:05 <anon136> but it would check how much they could counterfit
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1233 2010-12-28 16:21:12 <fabianhjr> anon136: he means the clients BTC. Like, if you save with them they actually lend the money you are "saving" with them and lend it.
1234 2010-12-28 16:21:36 <fabianhjr> :/ Wait a sec.
1235 2010-12-28 16:21:40 <sipa> anon136: the system is of course susceptible to a run on the bank
1236 2010-12-28 16:21:47 <fabianhjr> There is no way to do so unless they are the majority.
1237 2010-12-28 16:22:02 <sipa> and since the money itself isn't growing, it can't be done in an expontial way like now
1238 2010-12-28 16:22:06 <anon136> run on the bank isnt a bad thing, it brings truth back to the system
1239 2010-12-28 16:22:10 <ThomasV> fabianhjr: to do what ? create more bitcoins than 21M ?
1240 2010-12-28 16:22:36 <anon136> nd only sheep will be caught in the mess anyway
1241 2010-12-28 16:22:51 <fabianhjr> Yes, if everyone agrees to make a commit so it continues indefinitely inflating in a controlled rate.
1242 2010-12-28 16:22:57 <ThomasV> fabianhjr: we can create another currency, a variant of btc, that inflates
1243 2010-12-28 16:23:07 <fabianhjr> I know we can. ;)
1244 2010-12-28 16:23:09 <anon136> btc backed securities
1245 2010-12-28 16:23:25 <ThomasV> for example the value of new blocs would increase by 2% every year
1246 2010-12-28 16:23:40 <fabianhjr> I wonder if at one point gold will be securing other currencies for its property.
1247 2010-12-28 16:24:25 <ThomasV> it used to be so in the past
1248 2010-12-28 16:24:31 <ThomasV> but it's not practical
1249 2010-12-28 16:24:40 <fabianhjr> Wait a second. Whoho! MtGox just got to 0.28 USD per BTC :D That is great. Parity there we go!
1250 2010-12-28 16:25:45 <fabianhjr> ThomasV: xD sorry.
1251 2010-12-28 16:25:52 * fabianhjr s/gold/Bitcoin
1252 2010-12-28 16:26:05 <fabianhjr> I am still asleep as you may notice.
1253 2010-12-28 16:26:26 <ThomasV> btc is just like gold : limited supply
1254 2010-12-28 16:26:27 <fabianhjr> I even forgot the last / from the substitution. xD
1255 2010-12-28 16:26:45 <rapacity> :p lots of similarities
1256 2010-12-28 16:26:53 <fabianhjr> ThomasV: yeah, I wonder if BTC instead of becoming a currency turns to be the backbone to other currencies.
1257 2010-12-28 16:27:31 <ThomasV> why would they not favor gold ?
1258 2010-12-28 16:27:55 <fabianhjr> Is anyone working on the animated short movie pleadge of around 14K BTC? I can't believe there are no submissions yet. xD
1259 2010-12-28 16:28:24 <fabianhjr> ThomasV: I mean more decentralized currencies. Not the gov ones. :P
1260 2010-12-28 16:28:39 <fabianhjr> Apart, why not if it becomes popular enough?
1261 2010-12-28 16:30:53 <ThomasV> why not indeed. but I would prefer bitcoin to become a currency that replaces govt currencies
1262 2010-12-28 16:31:45 <ThomasV> govt issued currencies are based on credit and banks ; banks have unmerited advantages
1263 2010-12-28 16:32:12 <ThomasV> the current banking system is like a huge parasit on the economy
1264 2010-12-28 16:33:23 <ThomasV> I guess my bank account could easily be replaced with bitcoins
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1267 2010-12-28 16:34:36 <fabianhjr> ThomasV: are you in the USA and do you like Pizzas? A barrier is getting food with bitcoins, why not buy to the pizza guys?
1268 2010-12-28 16:34:59 <ThomasV> no, I am in the euro zone
1269 2010-12-28 16:35:03 <fabianhjr> That is a first step. I am doing all my online transactions with Bitcoins. :-)
1270 2010-12-28 16:35:10 <ThomasV> where it is difficult to buy btc
1271 2010-12-28 16:35:29 <fabianhjr> ThomasV: why not offer an auction to get a pizza to you?
1272 2010-12-28 16:35:38 <fabianhjr> :P I am saving for one currently.
1273 2010-12-28 16:35:48 <ThomasV> lol
1274 2010-12-28 16:36:37 <ThomasV> I also have swiss francs in a safe, if anyone is interested
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1278 2010-12-28 16:37:26 <fabianhjr> ThomasV: can you get them to Mexico? xD lol, jking
1279 2010-12-28 16:37:41 <ThomasV> are you in mexico ?
1280 2010-12-28 16:37:47 <fabianhjr> I can't do a lot of shit cus I am underage(Stupid gov)
1281 2010-12-28 16:37:56 <fabianhjr> ThomasV: yes I am in Mexico City. :D
1282 2010-12-28 16:38:32 <ThomasV> if you are less than 21, so you can do more in Mexico than in the USA
1283 2010-12-28 16:38:34 <fabianhjr> So I am supporting Bitcoins cus it is not a bitch like the gov. I can make all I want and I am not excluded for my age or reasoning.
1284 2010-12-28 16:39:38 <fabianhjr> ThomasV: I cannot open a PayPal account or banking account for that matter. So, how am I suppose to do what I love(Information Tehnology/Security) stuff and ask for at least tips?
1285 2010-12-28 16:39:47 <Kiba> ThomasV: how about setting up a swiss francs bitcoin exchange?
1286 2010-12-28 16:39:57 <fabianhjr> Kiba: hi, sup?
1287 2010-12-28 16:40:09 <Kiba> BOOGA LOOGA!
1288 2010-12-28 16:40:53 <ThomasV> Kiba: well I can announce it on otc
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1291 2010-12-28 16:44:19 <fabianhjr> ThomasV: so it is around 1.3 vs the USD?
1292 2010-12-28 16:45:05 <ThomasV> no, 1CHF is 1.047USD
1293 2010-12-28 16:45:17 <ThomasV> (according to google)
1294 2010-12-28 16:45:25 <ThomasV> 1 have 110 CHF
1295 2010-12-28 16:45:49 <fabianhjr> Why not offer 10 and see how it goes?(Auction them?)
1296 2010-12-28 16:46:01 <ThomasV> auction? where ?
1297 2010-12-28 16:46:44 <fabianhjr> On the forums. Wait, I think someone was already auctioning CHF. :/ Let me check
1298 2010-12-28 16:47:03 <fabianhjr> Yeah, here it is: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2209.0
1299 2010-12-28 16:47:06 <bitbot> Auction for a 20 CHF gold coin until block 100,000 !
1300 2010-12-28 16:47:46 <ThomasV> oh but I guess this is worth more than 20 CHF
1301 2010-12-28 16:48:06 <fabianhjr> Wai,t look at it. So 1 CHF is about a dollar right?
1302 2010-12-28 16:48:24 <ThomasV> yes
1303 2010-12-28 16:48:57 <fabianhjr> The latest bid is at 1270 BTC xD
1304 2010-12-28 16:49:15 <fabianhjr> Or around 355 bucks xD
1305 2010-12-28 16:49:16 <ThomasV> but that's a gold coin
1306 2010-12-28 16:49:31 <fabianhjr> Go! Your perfect time! Get another coin and auction it!
1307 2010-12-28 16:49:32 <ThomasV> it's worth much more than its facial value
1308 2010-12-28 16:49:55 <fabianhjr> xD Ok, so, you how much is it really worth?
1309 2010-12-28 16:50:09 <ThomasV> ask google
1310 2010-12-28 16:50:35 <fabianhjr> 0_o How much does it weight?
1311 2010-12-28 16:53:45 <fabianhjr> Wow, asking google for "20 CHF gold coin" the second result is of the Bitcoin auction 0_o
1312 2010-12-28 16:54:01 <ThomasV> lol
1313 2010-12-28 16:55:22 <ThomasV> ok, I placed an order in swiss francs :-)
1314 2010-12-28 16:55:33 <TD> ThomasV: whereabouts in switzerland are you ?
1315 2010-12-28 16:56:08 <ThomasV> I am in France ; this is why I want to get rid of them
1316 2010-12-28 16:56:49 <TD> ah
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1321 2010-12-28 16:58:15 <fabianhjr> ThomasV: just auction them. If you are unlucky you will sell them at current MtGox rate.(~440 BTC for all 110 CHF) :P
1322 2010-12-28 16:58:48 <ThomasV> I ask 400
1323 2010-12-28 16:58:53 <fabianhjr> ;;bc,calc 315000
1324 2010-12-28 16:58:54 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 315000 Khps, given current difficulty of 14484.16236123 , is 2 days, 6 hours, 51 minutes, and 28 seconds
1325 2010-12-28 16:59:03 <sipa> ;;bc,retarget
1326 2010-12-28 16:59:03 <gribble> Error: "bc,retarget" is not a valid command.
1327 2010-12-28 16:59:08 <sipa> ;;bc,target
1328 2010-12-28 16:59:08 <gribble> Error: "bc,target" is not a valid command.
1329 2010-12-28 16:59:16 <fabianhjr> ;;bc,help
1330 2010-12-28 16:59:16 <gribble> Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,markets, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,poolstats, Alias bc,stats, Alias bc,timetonext, Alias bc,totalbc, and Alias bc,wiki
1331 2010-12-28 16:59:27 <sipa> ;;bc,timetonext
1332 2010-12-28 16:59:27 <gribble> 6 days, 1 hour, 29 minutes, and 43 seconds
1333 2010-12-28 16:59:35 <fabianhjr> ;;bc,hextarget
1334 2010-12-28 16:59:35 <gribble> 000000000004864C000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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1336 2010-12-28 17:04:38 <Diablo-D3> hahaha
1337 2010-12-28 17:04:38 <Diablo-D3> wow
1338 2010-12-28 17:04:47 <Diablo-D3> most of the time spent in my miner is network shit
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1356 2010-12-28 17:50:06 <lfm> diabo-d3 so why does your miner seem to need so much cpuà this one I got running seems to be taking 3 threads with 50% of cpu each (on a core2 quad 2.4ghz)
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1362 2010-12-28 17:54:18 <sipa> lfm: what hardware?
1363 2010-12-28 17:54:46 <lfm> q6600 with a radeon hd 5770
1364 2010-12-28 17:55:07 <sipa> which version of stream api?
1365 2010-12-28 17:55:34 <lfm> um latest I think
1366 2010-12-28 17:56:02 <lfm> ati-stream-sdk-v2.2-lnx64
1367 2010-12-28 17:56:10 <sipa> try the v2.1
1368 2010-12-28 17:56:35 <sipa> i had the same problem with 2.2
1369 2010-12-28 17:56:42 <lfm> k
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1371 2010-12-28 17:59:20 <lfm> seems 2.3 is out, should I try itÃ
1372 2010-12-28 18:00:25 <sipa> 2.1 is the fastest one, i think
1373 2010-12-28 18:00:33 <DjeZAeL> hey, i've just downloaded the new release of cpuminer and i have not the cryptopp_asm32 algo when typing minerd --help
1374 2010-12-28 18:00:38 <DjeZAeL> i have the same algo than in cpuminer-0.3.2
1375 2010-12-28 18:01:31 <lfm> djezael what osÃ
1376 2010-12-28 18:01:47 <ThomasV> is it possible to know how many nodes are running ?
1377 2010-12-28 18:02:12 <lfm> thomasv not exactly, there are some estimates tho
1378 2010-12-28 18:02:21 <DjeZAeL> lfm: Debian
1379 2010-12-28 18:02:26 <DjeZAeL> squeeze
1380 2010-12-28 18:02:45 <ThomasV> lfm: where ?
1381 2010-12-28 18:03:09 <DjeZAeL> someone pasted his "minerd --help" and there is cryptopp_ams32
1382 2010-12-28 18:03:18 <DjeZAeL> i don't understand
1383 2010-12-28 18:03:33 <DjeZAeL> ( asm* )
1384 2010-12-28 18:03:41 <lfm> just see howmany nodes are logged in to the irc chan /bitcoin and estimate howmany use -noirc options
1385 2010-12-28 18:04:33 <lfm> djezael there is a configure option maybe got turned off on you dunno why
1386 2010-12-28 18:05:00 <DjeZAeL> very strange
1387 2010-12-28 18:05:14 <DjeZAeL> bitcoin goes darker to me day by day :(
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1391 2010-12-28 18:06:16 <ThomasV> lfm: did you mean #bitcoin Ã
1392 2010-12-28 18:06:22 <ThomasV> :-)
1393 2010-12-28 18:07:24 <lfm> thomasv ya, sorry
1394 2010-12-28 18:07:47 <lfm> équit keymap messed up brb
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1397 2010-12-28 18:09:02 <ThomasV> wb
1398 2010-12-28 18:09:49 <lfm> that should be better?/# yup
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1401 2010-12-28 18:11:26 <lfm> this new laptop I havnt figured out why sometimes it starts using the blue keycaps
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1404 2010-12-28 18:12:50 <fabianhjr> Need to reboot
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1414 2010-12-28 18:30:27 <qube23> is anyone else at 27c3 at berlin and would like to trade btc for eur and vice versa?
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1417 2010-12-28 18:32:37 <lfm> amazing 1tb for $45
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1419 2010-12-28 18:40:59 <TD> sigh. it's happened again. this time on the testnet, transactions don't go through in any reasonable amount of time
1420 2010-12-28 18:41:05 <TD> i wish the client rebroadcast transactions more regularly
1421 2010-12-28 18:41:27 <nanotube> TD: iirc the rebroadcast is every 30-60 min...
1422 2010-12-28 18:41:32 <TD> yeah
1423 2010-12-28 18:41:32 <ArtForzZz> it's a privacy feature
1424 2010-12-28 18:41:36 <TD> oh?
1425 2010-12-28 18:41:39 ArtForzZz is now known as ArtForz
1426 2010-12-28 18:41:46 <TD> so if i hacked my client to do it every 5 mins it'd compromise my privacy?
1427 2010-12-28 18:42:02 <ArtForz> well, it makes timing attacks a lot easier
1428 2010-12-28 18:42:20 <lfm> TD can you try a wired lan?
1429 2010-12-28 18:42:28 <TD> not easily
1430 2010-12-28 18:43:01 <ArtForz> but yeah, we shoudl make the interval configurable
1431 2010-12-28 18:43:11 <ArtForz> (is that even a word)
1432 2010-12-28 18:43:26 <lfm> shoudl isnt
1433 2010-12-28 18:43:30 <nanotube> ;;dict configurable
1434 2010-12-28 18:43:30 <gribble> No definition for "configurable" could be found in wn
1435 2010-12-28 18:43:34 <Cusipzzz> lol
1436 2010-12-28 18:43:36 <nanotube> heh
1437 2010-12-28 18:43:47 <nanotube> but my aspell claims it exists.
1438 2010-12-28 18:44:02 <nanotube> ArtForz: even better, have a button on gui to "rebroadcast my tx"
1439 2010-12-28 18:44:33 <lfm> nanotube that would invite abuse Id think
1440 2010-12-28 18:44:45 <ArtForz> .. and add a "rebroadcast transaction" JSON call ?
1441 2010-12-28 18:45:11 <ArtForz> easier to just have a -rebroadcastdelay=X commandline/config option
1442 2010-12-28 18:45:15 <TD> well, perhaps the bitcoin client should have an "incognito mode" like chrome
1443 2010-12-28 18:45:36 <TD> in incognito mode, it'd do things like using the keypool, rotating your addresses, not rebroadcasting regularly etc
1444 2010-12-28 18:45:44 <ArtForz> yep
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1446 2010-12-28 18:46:02 <TD> in regular mode, you'd have a single address, so a single wallet/keychain backup would suffice "forever" or until you created a new address deliberately. txs would be rebroadcast regularly
1447 2010-12-28 18:46:05 <TD> etc
1448 2010-12-28 18:46:10 <ArtForz> yep
1449 2010-12-28 18:46:24 <ArtForz> thats one thing I always wanted to do but never could find the time for
1450 2010-12-28 18:46:26 <TD> incognito mode could also automatically send your coins via a mixer service and pay the fees involved (if any)
1451 2010-12-28 18:46:38 <TD> when they exist
1452 2010-12-28 18:46:54 <TD> mixers seem like the final piece of the anonymity puzzle. and maybe encryption of the protocol
1453 2010-12-28 18:47:08 <ArtForz> (the send-change-to-default-addr thing and not creating new addrs for stuff)
1454 2010-12-28 18:48:07 <ArtForz> but then I never have problems with TXes taking ages to get into a block
1455 2010-12-28 18:48:33 <ArtForz> worst I had was an hour or so
1456 2010-12-28 18:49:35 <sipa> which is better than the 2-3 business days banks take to transfer money :)
1457 2010-12-28 18:49:37 <ArtForz> and we had >1h without a single block several times already, so rebroadcast delay isnt much worse than all miners having a run of bad luck
1458 2010-12-28 18:51:54 <nanotube> yea i haven't had that problem, except for that one time before .13 was released, when i got sent some microtx without fee. :)
1459 2010-12-28 18:52:12 <nanotube> and then art came through with his no-tx-fee-required miner setting. :)
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1468 2010-12-28 19:14:29 <slush1> Diablo-D3: Could you fix miner crash with json error, please?
1469 2010-12-28 19:14:35 <slush1> m0mchil: thank you for miner update :)
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1472 2010-12-28 19:17:25 <Diablo-D3> slush1: meh.
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1476 2010-12-28 19:24:43 <anon136> holy fuck http://mining.bitcoin.cz/ is complicated
1477 2010-12-28 19:26:27 <sipa> no it's not :)
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1479 2010-12-28 19:26:34 <nanotube> it's pretty sensible, anon136 :)
1480 2010-12-28 19:26:58 <anon136> the diablo miner i downloaded doesnt even have an exe in it
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1483 2010-12-28 19:27:30 <sipa> it has a .bat, no?
1484 2010-12-28 19:27:38 <sipa> for windows
1485 2010-12-28 19:27:39 <nanotube> anon136: well, that's got nothing to do with the pool, only with the miner. :)
1486 2010-12-28 19:27:47 <sipa> indeed
1487 2010-12-28 19:27:51 <anon136> nope no bats
1488 2010-12-28 19:28:15 <sipa> what did you download?
1489 2010-12-28 19:28:57 <anon136> shit must have closed the link sec
1490 2010-12-28 19:29:41 <anon136> tried this first http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1925.0
1491 2010-12-28 19:29:43 <bitbot> New demonstration CPU miner available
1492 2010-12-28 19:30:47 <sipa> anon136: that's the cpu miner
1493 2010-12-28 19:30:51 <anon136> ya
1494 2010-12-28 19:30:57 <sipa> not diabolo's gpu miner
1495 2010-12-28 19:30:57 <anon136> it has one app called minerd
1496 2010-12-28 19:30:59 <anon136> i know
1497 2010-12-28 19:31:02 <sipa> ok
1498 2010-12-28 19:31:04 <anon136> i said i tried that first
1499 2010-12-28 19:31:08 <sipa> ok ok
1500 2010-12-28 19:31:20 <anon136> when i run it
1501 2010-12-28 19:31:54 <anon136> it says json_rpc_call failed
1502 2010-12-28 19:32:16 <sipa> what is your commandline (except for the password, of course)
1503 2010-12-28 19:32:39 <slush> Diablo: ? > Diablo-D3: slush1: meh.
1504 2010-12-28 19:32:48 <slush> Diablo-D3: ? > Diablo-D3: slush1: meh.
1505 2010-12-28 19:33:29 <anon136> sry idk what you mean
1506 2010-12-28 19:33:39 <sipa> anon136: how do you run minerd?
1507 2010-12-28 19:33:42 <anon136> i didnt run it in command prompt
1508 2010-12-28 19:33:50 <anon136> i just ran the application file
1509 2010-12-28 19:34:20 <sipa> without commandline parameters it will by default connect to a client running locally
1510 2010-12-28 19:34:32 <anon136> i see
1511 2010-12-28 19:34:33 <sipa> so you'll have to give some parameters to connect to the pool
1512 2010-12-28 19:34:41 <sipa> (except if it's very different on windows)
1513 2010-12-28 19:35:01 <anon136> where are the insturctions on how to do that
1514 2010-12-28 19:35:09 <anon136> i must have missed them
1515 2010-12-28 19:35:18 <nanotube> anon136: run 'minerd --help' to see the details.
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1517 2010-12-28 19:36:16 <anon136> havnt used command prompt in so long >< let me see if i can remember how to do this
1518 2010-12-28 19:36:43 <sipa> start -> run -> cmd
1519 2010-12-28 19:36:47 <sipa> cd [directory]
1520 2010-12-28 19:36:50 <sipa> minerd --help
1521 2010-12-28 19:36:51 <sipa> :)
1522 2010-12-28 19:37:45 <Diablo-D3> slush: I shouldnt fix it.
1523 2010-12-28 19:38:42 <slush> Diablo-D3: why?
1524 2010-12-28 19:38:43 <anon136> sweet i got the help file open tnx
1525 2010-12-28 19:40:59 <slush> Diablo-D3: Just check if getwork() result contains error
1526 2010-12-28 19:41:16 <Diablo-D3> slush: I do anyhow.
1527 2010-12-28 19:41:36 <slush> Probably not. When getwork() return result: null and error: something, your json parser crash
1528 2010-12-28 19:41:44 <slush> I can send you traceback
1529 2010-12-28 19:42:33 <Diablo-D3> except the error message should not be json
1530 2010-12-28 19:43:00 <sipa> in case of what kind of error?
1531 2010-12-28 19:45:01 <slush> Diablo-D3: why 'should not'? What is bad on sending valid json response with error message?
1532 2010-12-28 19:45:06 <anon136> when i set the username and password with minerd i just need corrisponding values with http://mining.bitcoin.cz/accounts/profile/worker-edit/ right
1533 2010-12-28 19:45:49 <sipa> slush: what kind of error are you talking about?
1534 2010-12-28 19:45:51 <sipa> anon136: yes
1535 2010-12-28 19:49:02 <slush> sipa: I have to switch off pool time to time (mainly because of maintenance)
1536 2010-12-28 19:49:34 <slush> sipa: in this case, server is responding HTTP 50x error with some HTML
1537 2010-12-28 19:49:57 <anon136> is the default algorithm going to work with windows cuz it says linux kernel sha256
1538 2010-12-28 19:50:06 <slush> sipa: I changed it to returning valid json rpc error, but miners are crashing :) m0mchil fixed this in his newest version before a moment
1539 2010-12-28 19:50:36 <sipa> HTTP 50x = server error?
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1541 2010-12-28 19:50:39 <sipa> that seems wrong
1542 2010-12-28 19:50:48 <slush> sipa: yes. why wrong?
1543 2010-12-28 19:51:01 <sipa> there's nothing wrong with the server
1544 2010-12-28 19:51:02 <slush> Wwhat it should respond when I turned off pool?
1545 2010-12-28 19:51:22 <sipa> 404 ?
1546 2010-12-28 19:51:29 <sipa> hmm, not exactly
1547 2010-12-28 19:51:32 <slush> no, 502 is correct
1548 2010-12-28 19:52:12 <sipa> hmm, maybe
1549 2010-12-28 19:52:13 <slush> I think it is weird to response with HTML when client expect json interface
1550 2010-12-28 19:52:17 <sipa> or 503
1551 2010-12-28 19:52:20 <nanotube> forget about that, and get some per-block-reward statistics up :D
1552 2010-12-28 19:52:45 <slush> nanotube: well, why we need workers when we have nice stats, right? :-D
1553 2010-12-28 19:52:56 <nanotube> exactly! hehe
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1555 2010-12-28 19:54:04 <anon136> i cant believe my eyes, its working!
1556 2010-12-28 19:54:18 <nanotube> congrats anon136
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1558 2010-12-28 19:54:28 <anarchyx> ;;bc,stats
1559 2010-12-28 19:54:30 <gribble> Current Blocks: 99881 | Current Difficulty: 14484.16236123 | Next Difficulty At Block: 100799 | Next Difficulty In: 918 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 22 hours, 2 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 15667.90490330
1560 2010-12-28 19:54:45 <anon136> tnx =D
1561 2010-12-28 19:54:48 <nanotube> mm, next diff creeping up. it'll be a close call on whether it makes it over 16k :)
1562 2010-12-28 19:55:31 <nanotube> anon136: what's your khps ?
1563 2010-12-28 19:55:47 <anon136> it was higher but its droped to 618 now
1564 2010-12-28 19:55:55 <anon136> i was doing around 1100 with bitcoin
1565 2010-12-28 19:56:09 <slush> anon136: Did you tried asm32 algo?
1566 2010-12-28 19:56:17 <anon136> no i used default
1567 2010-12-28 19:56:32 <slush> anon136: So try it. I should have same performance as bitcoin client
1568 2010-12-28 19:56:33 <nanotube> anon136: are you on a multicore machine?
1569 2010-12-28 19:56:48 <anon136> i am but i only set it to one thread to test
1570 2010-12-28 19:57:02 <nanotube> ah, well that explains why you're at about half :)
1571 2010-12-28 19:57:07 <nanotube> bitcoind by default uses all cores.
1572 2010-12-28 19:57:08 <anon136> so up it to 2 threads and use that alog?
1573 2010-12-28 19:57:11 <anon136> algo*
1574 2010-12-28 19:57:23 <nanotube> you could also try the asm32... but first try with c and threads=2
1575 2010-12-28 19:57:27 <nanotube> just for comparison
1576 2010-12-28 19:57:33 <anon136> k
1577 2010-12-28 19:57:33 <slush> try cryptopp_asm32
1578 2010-12-28 19:58:05 <nanotube> slush: btw... haven't tried asm32 yet... i need to apt-get a bunch of ia32 libs in order to compile for 32bit arch...
1579 2010-12-28 19:58:37 <anon136> apt-get is a linux function right
1580 2010-12-28 19:58:45 <nanotube> yep, a package manager.
1581 2010-12-28 19:58:54 <nanotube> for debian-like distros
1582 2010-12-28 19:58:55 <slush> nanotube: I didn't try it too, but it should work well. And if anon136 is using windows, it should be compiled inside
1583 2010-12-28 19:59:08 <nanotube> sipa: even if he's on a 64bit box?
1584 2010-12-28 19:59:11 <nanotube> er... slush
1585 2010-12-28 19:59:32 <slush> nanotube: anon136 will tell us :)
1586 2010-12-28 19:59:41 <anon136> pretty sure im 64 bit
1587 2010-12-28 19:59:41 <nanotube> hehe
1588 2010-12-28 19:59:57 <nanotube> anon136: does your --help output show the asm32 option for algo?
1589 2010-12-28 19:59:58 <slush> anon136: try it, it may work also on 64 bit.
1590 2010-12-28 20:00:12 <anon136> yep 64 bit
1591 2010-12-28 20:00:19 <slush> afaik there is no asm64 algo :))
1592 2010-12-28 20:00:43 <nanotube> slush: right, but asm32 may just be missing. like it is for me on my 64bit build.
1593 2010-12-28 20:01:28 <anon136> cryptopp_asm32
1594 2010-12-28 20:01:32 <anon136> ya it shows up in help
1595 2010-12-28 20:01:39 <anon136> sry im so slow ><
1596 2010-12-28 20:02:38 <slush> nanotube: well, I'm not sure if '32' in 'asm32' is related to architiecture. It may be the same as 'sha256' works also on 64 bit architecture ;)
1597 2010-12-28 20:03:03 <anon136> none of these algorithms utelize 64 bit archetecture do they
1598 2010-12-28 20:03:28 <nanotube> slush: heh
1599 2010-12-28 20:05:14 <slush> anon136: status?
1600 2010-12-28 20:05:36 <slush> anon136: I'm curious if it works
1601 2010-12-28 20:05:49 <anon136> i was trying to figure out weather it wanted the first three letters of the algorythm or the whole thing cuz it said XXX
1602 2010-12-28 20:06:23 <slush> :D whole name
1603 2010-12-28 20:06:49 <anon136> k its runnign waiting on feedback
1604 2010-12-28 20:07:09 <anon136> 793 khash/s ><
1605 2010-12-28 20:07:22 <anon136> 555 now
1606 2010-12-28 20:07:32 <anon136> OO
1607 2010-12-28 20:07:37 <anon136> its reporting the threads seperately
1608 2010-12-28 20:08:09 <anon136> ya well than around 1300khash/s
1609 2010-12-28 20:08:15 <slush> great
1610 2010-12-28 20:08:29 <slush> nanotube: so yes, it works also on 64 bit architecture :)
1611 2010-12-28 20:08:31 <nanotube> so... run it for a min... get an average... and then compare with the default algo, how it does with 2 treads.
1612 2010-12-28 20:08:33 <anon136> thanks for the patience guys, most other communites would just be like gtfo noob
1613 2010-12-28 20:08:44 <nanotube> slush: well, i dunno how the windows build is built. :) maybe win build is 32bit.
1614 2010-12-28 20:09:08 <nanotube> anon136: would you please do this: run it for a min... get an average... and then compare with the default algo, how it does with 2 treads.
1615 2010-12-28 20:09:10 <nanotube> :)
1616 2010-12-28 20:09:57 <slush> nanotube: you are interested if you should compile with asm32, right? :-))
1617 2010-12-28 20:10:00 <anon136> ok 1333 is the benchmark for these settings gimme a min and ill test it with default algo
1618 2010-12-28 20:10:30 <nanotube> slush: hehe yep, exactly :)
1619 2010-12-28 20:10:58 <anon136> actually i gotta clean up a bit the wife is going to be home any min =P
1620 2010-12-28 20:11:16 <anon136> tnx for help im sure ill talk to you guys again later
1621 2010-12-28 20:11:27 <slush> anon136: it is the same everywhere
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1623 2010-12-28 20:15:00 <nanotube> slush: mmm will i ever find out if asm32 is faster... heh
1624 2010-12-28 20:16:58 <anon136> u still there i can do it for ya now if you are
1625 2010-12-28 20:18:54 <nanotube> sure anon136 :)
1626 2010-12-28 20:19:01 <anon136> k sec
1627 2010-12-28 20:19:20 <nanotube> tx :)
1628 2010-12-28 20:19:40 <anon136> it doesnt save the settings you used last time as new defaults or anything does it
1629 2010-12-28 20:19:50 <nanotube> nope, it takes everything from the commandline args
1630 2010-12-28 20:19:55 <anon136> kk
1631 2010-12-28 20:21:46 <anon136> first reports in but give it a min to settle
1632 2010-12-28 20:22:14 <nanotube> ok :)
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1634 2010-12-28 20:22:55 <anon136> thread 1 502 therad 2 568
1635 2010-12-28 20:23:08 <anon136> asm32 ftw
1636 2010-12-28 20:23:13 <nanotube> mmm yea looks like it.
1637 2010-12-28 20:23:15 <Kiba> why do people hate Ayn Rand?
1638 2010-12-28 20:23:33 <anon136> because they fail to live up to her standards
1639 2010-12-28 20:23:33 <Kiba> why is hardcore individualism so hardcore unappealing?
1640 2010-12-28 20:23:35 <nanotube> s/do people/do some people/ :)
1641 2010-12-28 20:23:59 <Kiba> Freud is right?
1642 2010-12-28 20:24:05 <Kiba> Ayn Rand is meh.
1643 2010-12-28 20:24:11 <anon136> if you arnt howard roark you are insulted by the idea that men like that exist
1644 2010-12-28 20:24:13 <Kiba> he got the whole intellectual property thing wrong
1645 2010-12-28 20:24:21 <Kiba> err
1646 2010-12-28 20:24:22 <Kiba> she
1647 2010-12-28 20:24:44 <Kiba> the irony, is a lot of techno-libertarians are anti-IP
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1649 2010-12-28 20:25:02 <nanotube> nobody can be right 100% of the time
1650 2010-12-28 20:25:03 <nanotube> heh
1651 2010-12-28 20:25:16 <Kiba> hating dogmas and idealogy is the easy way of looking braves without risking much
1652 2010-12-28 20:25:31 <anon136> intellectual property rights depend on context, in a capitalist society it would suck to be unable to claim rights to your ip, in a communist society it matters not one way or the other
1653 2010-12-28 20:25:33 <Kiba> it's primate politics
1654 2010-12-28 20:25:49 <Kiba> anon136: in a capitalist society, there is no IP
1655 2010-12-28 20:25:59 <Kiba> because IP violates claim on people's property
1656 2010-12-28 20:26:01 <anon136> how do you mean
1657 2010-12-28 20:26:25 <Kiba> I mean, why should you have property rights on ideas in people's head?
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1659 2010-12-28 20:26:37 <anon136> ah i see what you mean
1660 2010-12-28 20:26:40 <sipa> i think it is independent from your political standpoint
1661 2010-12-28 20:26:58 <sipa> it simply depends on whether you believe an idea is something one can own
1662 2010-12-28 20:27:04 <Kiba> my ideas in my own head is my property
1663 2010-12-28 20:27:09 <anon136> i believe in a capitalist society people should have the rights to their own ip but they shouldnt have the ability to sell it to others, only to rent
1664 2010-12-28 20:27:21 <anon136> the monopolization of ideas is a crime
1665 2010-12-28 20:27:27 <anon136> the ownership of ones own ideas is not
1666 2010-12-28 20:27:52 <Kiba> I am not sure about the renting party
1667 2010-12-28 20:28:31 <anon136> it all boils down to flaws in capitalism its self imo
1668 2010-12-28 20:28:36 <Kiba> ideas surely have to be taught, but ideas are hard to destroy
1669 2010-12-28 20:29:07 <sipa> if you have an idea
1670 2010-12-28 20:29:18 <sipa> try to sell something real that you can make through it
1671 2010-12-28 20:29:28 <sipa> either a service, or something material
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1673 2010-12-28 20:29:35 <Kiba> well, the thing is
1674 2010-12-28 20:29:38 <Kiba> people have lot of ideas
1675 2010-12-28 20:29:40 <sipa> if you don't want other to know the idea, don't tell them
1676 2010-12-28 20:29:44 <Kiba> many of which doesn't get executed
1677 2010-12-28 20:29:44 <anon136> if the idea doesnt belong to you those who own the means of mass production will produce your idea for less cost
1678 2010-12-28 20:30:18 <anon136> or the products of your idea rather
1679 2010-12-28 20:30:19 <Kiba> nonsense, people who own the means of mass production will have to spectulate on the vast ocean of ideas
1680 2010-12-28 20:30:25 <lfm> if you have an idea and try to use it you will be sued because it is already patented
1681 2010-12-28 20:30:30 <Kiba> they are not always successful
1682 2010-12-28 20:30:38 <anon136> sure and if they speculate on your idea they can prevent you from being able to capitalize on it
1683 2010-12-28 20:30:47 <Kiba> just because you have an ideas...doesn't mean you will execute them...nor does it mean that ideas are not a good one
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1686 2010-12-28 20:31:00 <Kiba> anon136: but how do you know if your idea is a good idea...or a bad idea?
1687 2010-12-28 20:31:14 <Kiba> how do you know if they will execute it correctly
1688 2010-12-28 20:31:14 <anon136> by offering it to the market
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1691 2010-12-28 20:31:38 <anon136> by retaining ownership and making it yourself
1692 2010-12-28 20:31:41 <Kiba> anon136: well, exactly. Not everybody's ideas will be successful in the marketplace
1693 2010-12-28 20:31:59 <Kiba> not everybody who own the mean of production will be able to execute it properly
1694 2010-12-28 20:32:14 <Kiba> and sometime
1695 2010-12-28 20:32:20 <anon136> thats why the person needs to be able to "own" the idea, in a capitalist society
1696 2010-12-28 20:32:25 <Kiba> they are limited by their own organization on what they can innovate
1697 2010-12-28 20:32:26 <anon136> i am in no way justifying capitalism
1698 2010-12-28 20:32:30 <Kiba> anon136: no, it doesn't.
1699 2010-12-28 20:32:32 <Kiba> err
1700 2010-12-28 20:32:37 <Kiba> well, everybody naturally own the ideas
1701 2010-12-28 20:32:41 <Kiba> but ideas don't need protection
1702 2010-12-28 20:32:51 <grondilu> Would it be very difficult to extract a key from the wallet and make it usable with openssl ?
1703 2010-12-28 20:32:53 <Kiba> if ideas need protection, there would be widespread usage of NDA
1704 2010-12-28 20:32:56 <Diablo-D3> slush1: so, I've put my miner back to the way it was with additional enhancements
1705 2010-12-28 20:33:01 <Diablo-D3> slush1: no more global getwork sharing.
1706 2010-12-28 20:33:31 <anon136> im of the belief that one of the roles of government in a capitalist society is finding the right balance, people should only be able to hold title to their idea for a couple years
1707 2010-12-28 20:33:32 <slush1> Please help me with this sentence: " Hash rate calculation is based on share count; it may be inaccurate for slow workers." How to tell it in fluent English?
1708 2010-12-28 20:33:43 <Kiba> the role of government is to do nothing, anon136
1709 2010-12-28 20:34:01 <slush1> Diablo-D3: oh, I understand it
1710 2010-12-28 20:34:02 <anon136> but i cant see any way around allowing them to hold that title, else they will have extreme dificulty in capitalizing on that idea
1711 2010-12-28 20:34:19 <sipa> "The calculation is based on the number of shares so far, which may not be accurate for slow workers."
1712 2010-12-28 20:34:23 <Kiba> anon136: well, you have to understand the limitations of organizations
1713 2010-12-28 20:34:27 <Kiba> and the limits of resources
1714 2010-12-28 20:34:27 slush1 is now known as slush
1715 2010-12-28 20:34:34 <Diablo-D3> slush1: it was sucking performance out, so screw it
1716 2010-12-28 20:34:39 <Kiba> to see why ideas don't need protection.
1717 2010-12-28 20:34:51 <anon136> government is nothing more than the emergence of socital organization from anarchy
1718 2010-12-28 20:34:54 <anon136> it cant be avoided
1719 2010-12-28 20:35:10 <slush> sipa: Thanks!
1720 2010-12-28 20:35:21 <Kiba> all governments are parasite on society.
1721 2010-12-28 20:35:27 <anon136> historically yes
1722 2010-12-28 20:35:39 <anon136> but that doesnt mean there isnt room for productive governance
1723 2010-12-28 20:36:24 <anon136> i see the main flaw of the historican state is in its adaptability, corruption seeps in through its mechancs for adaptation
1724 2010-12-28 20:36:42 <slush> Diablo-D3: So how many getworks are now per gpu?
1725 2010-12-28 20:37:00 <anon136> if your constitution has limited functions and us unable to be altered with out revolution, and the people are put incharge of interpreting said constitution
1726 2010-12-28 20:37:15 <anon136> there could exist a legitimate roal for government in the protection of basic fredoms
1727 2010-12-28 20:37:32 <Kiba> the consitutions did nothing much to stop the the growing power of governments
1728 2010-12-28 20:37:40 <Kiba> democracy is a failure
1729 2010-12-28 20:37:47 <anon136> thas because it had built into it a mechanism for alteration
1730 2010-12-28 20:37:51 <Kiba> and the republican experiment is a failure
1731 2010-12-28 20:37:55 <anon136> aka the house senate and executive office
1732 2010-12-28 20:38:11 <Kiba> the problem with governments
1733 2010-12-28 20:38:16 <Kiba> is that they make too many laws
1734 2010-12-28 20:38:21 <anon136> exactly
1735 2010-12-28 20:38:23 <Kiba> they are concerned with everything
1736 2010-12-28 20:38:26 <Kiba> when they shouldn't be
1737 2010-12-28 20:38:26 <anon136> remove their ability to do that
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1739 2010-12-28 20:38:54 <Kiba> the judicial branch doesn't seem to do a good job of that. They make common laws a bunch of complicated cases...
1740 2010-12-28 20:39:02 <anon136> yep agreed
1741 2010-12-28 20:39:05 <lfm> should require 90% vote to pass a law and 33 % vote to repeal law
1742 2010-12-28 20:39:10 <anon136> thats why every citizen should be the judicial branch
1743 2010-12-28 20:39:22 <anon136> anyone who wants to perticipate in interpretation of laws can do so
1744 2010-12-28 20:39:27 <Kiba> I am not sure how that will work
1745 2010-12-28 20:39:36 <anon136> the internet makes it possable
1746 2010-12-28 20:39:47 <Kiba> but, it seem that bitcoin does offer a case study of how laws will emerge
1747 2010-12-28 20:39:48 <Diablo-D3> slush: 3.
1748 2010-12-28 20:40:19 <Kiba> the coders make up the law..it's up to each person to accept or reject it
1749 2010-12-28 20:40:53 <anon136> and yea no governemnt is immune to corruption even people could have their perceptions altered by tv into interpreting laws in a way counterprodutive to their desired but we are prolonging the time between revolutions
1750 2010-12-28 20:40:58 <slush> Diablo-D3: I'm sorry for asking again, but why is not possible to handle json error correctly?
1751 2010-12-28 20:40:59 <anon136> thats all anyone can hope to do
1752 2010-12-28 20:40:59 <lfm> you get machine rule, aka skynet
1753 2010-12-28 20:41:55 <Diablo-D3> slush: well, all you should be returning is a valid error code and no content at all
1754 2010-12-28 20:41:57 <anon136> and for all you self proclamed anarchests out there, realize that the system we have today is a product of anarchy, can anyone say there was law before there was man
1755 2010-12-28 20:42:03 <Kiba> anon136: well, people like to mistake bitcoin as a technocracy
1756 2010-12-28 20:42:31 <slush> Diablo-D3: Well, so when I return HTTP 502 it will be OK?
1757 2010-12-28 20:42:33 <anon136> that would indeed be a mistake
1758 2010-12-28 20:42:42 <Diablo-D3> slush: should be.
1759 2010-12-28 20:42:48 <Kiba> it's true
1760 2010-12-28 20:42:52 <Kiba> that at the core of the project
1761 2010-12-28 20:42:58 <Diablo-D3> slush: remember, the official bitcoin jsonrpc api has no mechanism for returning errors within the protocol
1762 2010-12-28 20:43:01 <Kiba> are people who experts in programming, cryptography, and all that
1763 2010-12-28 20:43:06 <slush> Diablo-D3: great, fixed. It will return 502 AND json error
1764 2010-12-28 20:43:08 <Diablo-D3> slush: ergo, my miner wont support your hack
1765 2010-12-28 20:43:58 <slush> Diablo-D3: accept it, but my way is with json-rpc standard in mind. But well, HTTP error code is fine
1766 2010-12-28 20:44:45 <lfm> just dont make errors
1767 2010-12-28 20:44:59 <anon136> kiba how do i send pms
1768 2010-12-28 20:45:14 <slush> lfm: It is unfortunately not possible :)
1769 2010-12-28 20:45:14 <sipa> yeah, if your service cannot give a reasonable response, just give a random valid one!
1770 2010-12-28 20:45:19 <Diablo-D3> slush: it'll be interesting to see what my miner does with a 502, though
1771 2010-12-28 20:45:22 <sipa> and have people work on random data!
1772 2010-12-28 20:45:43 <slush> Diablo-D3: It prints response to stdout and try it again
1773 2010-12-28 20:46:08 <lfm> stderr
1774 2010-12-28 20:46:13 <slush> Diablo-D3: so it is OK. Miner is quite stable
1775 2010-12-28 20:46:13 <Diablo-D3> stderr
1776 2010-12-28 20:46:44 <slush> lfm: maybe stderr; windows does not care, so I don't know
1777 2010-12-28 20:47:29 <lfm> ok i see your first mistake
1778 2010-12-28 20:49:06 <anon136> this chatroom is so awesome, its the intersection of programers and self educated political scientists
1779 2010-12-28 20:49:29 <anon136> who knew such a thing existed
1780 2010-12-28 20:49:30 <sipa> funny mix indeed
1781 2010-12-28 20:49:57 <EvanR-work> lol
1782 2010-12-28 20:50:13 <EvanR-work> see also freenode in general
1783 2010-12-28 20:50:27 <sipa> haha
1784 2010-12-28 20:51:21 <EvanR-work> is a self education in political science any better than another kind of education?
1785 2010-12-28 20:51:21 <anon136> what is "freenode"
1786 2010-12-28 20:51:36 <sipa> anon136: the irc network you're on
1787 2010-12-28 20:51:38 <EvanR-work> in political science
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1789 2010-12-28 20:51:56 <anon136> i would say it is
1790 2010-12-28 20:52:10 <anon136> or rather what most people call education in the field is in reality indoctrenation
1791 2010-12-28 20:53:32 <EvanR-work> self educated political scientist, i.e., wildly popular talk show host
1792 2010-12-28 20:55:48 <anon136> just out of curiosity how many of you are "new world order" guys
1793 2010-12-28 20:55:48 <Kiba> I am not a political scientist
1794 2010-12-28 20:55:58 <Kiba> I am an amatuer economist..kinda
1795 2010-12-28 20:56:38 <Kiba> anon136: I don't believe in a vast conspircy
1796 2010-12-28 20:56:53 <anon136> how do i pm you kiba
1797 2010-12-28 20:56:55 <Kiba> I believe that human nature prefer things to be elegiatarian and commie
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1799 2010-12-28 20:56:59 <anon136> sry if i missed last time you answered
1800 2010-12-28 20:57:05 <Kiba> /msg kiba
1801 2010-12-28 20:57:11 <anon136> ty
1802 2010-12-28 20:58:39 <afed> so does it make sense that mining in a pool is preferable to going solo
1803 2010-12-28 20:58:50 <Kiba> afed: if you want to get something soon
1804 2010-12-28 20:58:57 <afed> it guarantees you get some coin for your time
1805 2010-12-28 20:58:59 <Kiba> as a CPU miner
1806 2010-12-28 20:59:10 <EvanR-work> i have 0.3 now, rather than zero now
1807 2010-12-28 20:59:13 <EvanR-work> seems better to me!
1808 2010-12-28 20:59:22 <afed> makes suppose i'm going to run like four 5870s
1809 2010-12-28 20:59:29 <afed> they might get 50 or not
1810 2010-12-28 20:59:35 <afed> but if they were on a pool they'd get a steady flow
1811 2010-12-28 20:59:54 <afed> it would benefit the entire pool really
1812 2010-12-28 21:00:13 <afed> more mhashes in the pool means more wins and more trickle down for the cpu miners
1813 2010-12-28 21:00:26 <EvanR-work> its not beneficial for everyone in the bool
1814 2010-12-28 21:00:32 <sipa> it is
1815 2010-12-28 21:00:35 <EvanR-work> they get the same amount on average
1816 2010-12-28 21:00:43 <EvanR-work> because you are taking more of the share
1817 2010-12-28 21:01:06 <EvanR-work> maybe im wrong
1818 2010-12-28 21:01:23 <anon136> there isnt any efficiancy loss tho is there? as long as the server isnt skimming anything off the top, the cost to benifit ratio should be the same
1819 2010-12-28 21:01:33 <afed> anon136: that is my understanding
1820 2010-12-28 21:01:45 <afed> pools are especially beneficial because otherwise cpus would have to work for years before getting anything
1821 2010-12-28 21:01:45 <sipa> on average it will have no effect on others in the pool
1822 2010-12-28 21:02:05 <afed> but the smoothing out of generating benefits gpus as well
1823 2010-12-28 21:02:05 <sipa> but the effect of the pool, namely more frequent but smaller payouts, instead of rarely a big one (although on average the same), is improved by have big miners in there
1824 2010-12-28 21:02:32 <slush> I have miner with ~600 mhash and it is benefical for me to join the pool
1825 2010-12-28 21:02:36 <afed> i bought a 6950 card today :)
1826 2010-12-28 21:02:46 <afed> am considering three more
1827 2010-12-28 21:02:51 <EvanR-work> sipa: until the pool becomes similar to the whole network, and small guys get nothing most of the time
1828 2010-12-28 21:03:02 <sipa> EvanR-work: even then
1829 2010-12-28 21:03:06 <slush> even with 0.5 ghash coin flow is not steady
1830 2010-12-28 21:03:32 <Kiba> well
1831 2010-12-28 21:03:35 <Kiba> it incentivize
1832 2010-12-28 21:03:37 <Kiba> people to mine
1833 2010-12-28 21:03:39 <sipa> EvanR-work: if the pool becomes the network, each and every block will be spread over those in the pool
1834 2010-12-28 21:03:39 <EvanR-work> having more cpu yourself is always better
1835 2010-12-28 21:03:41 <EvanR-work> less is worse
1836 2010-12-28 21:03:43 <Kiba> which help secure the network
1837 2010-12-28 21:03:55 <afed> slush you operate one of the pools don't you?
1838 2010-12-28 21:03:57 <EvanR-work> sipa: not if you get zero shares most of the time
1839 2010-12-28 21:04:04 <slush> afed: right
1840 2010-12-28 21:04:14 <Kiba> with slush implementation, you'll get something
1841 2010-12-28 21:04:15 <afed> was it mining.bitcoin.cz?
1842 2010-12-28 21:04:18 <Kiba> even if it is super tiny small
1843 2010-12-28 21:04:21 <sipa> EvanR-work: then there is something wrong with the pool, if and the difficulty is too high
1844 2010-12-28 21:04:51 <slush> Kiba: I'm pretty sure that most of cpu miners in pool won't mine standalone. And they give 100's of mhashes together. So i think you are right; it really help the network
1845 2010-12-28 21:04:51 <EvanR-work> no...
1846 2010-12-28 21:05:01 <slush> afed: right
1847 2010-12-28 21:05:12 <EvanR-work> sipa: if i have 1khash, and i am in the pool with 99 1Mhash people, ill not get very many shares
1848 2010-12-28 21:05:20 <afed> slush: good work, i just received my first payout :)
1849 2010-12-28 21:05:26 <sipa> EvanR-work: no, but you'll get some
1850 2010-12-28 21:05:33 <slush> afed: you're welcome :)
1851 2010-12-28 21:05:36 <EvanR-work> ill get 1 every so often
1852 2010-12-28 21:05:41 <anon136> so does the guy who invented bitcoin ever stop by here?
1853 2010-12-28 21:05:41 <sipa> yes
1854 2010-12-28 21:05:45 <EvanR-work> like once a year
1855 2010-12-28 21:05:53 <sipa> but way more frequent than you'll find a whole block on your own
1856 2010-12-28 21:05:57 <slush> EvanR-work: as pool is faster, you will make less coins from one round, but more often
1857 2010-12-28 21:06:07 <Kiba> Satoshi never stop here
1858 2010-12-28 21:06:10 <Kiba> as far as I know
1859 2010-12-28 21:06:13 <Kiba> he's a recluse
1860 2010-12-28 21:06:20 <slush> EvanR-work: even if you find one share per round, you will be rewarded
1861 2010-12-28 21:06:22 <anon136> bummer
1862 2010-12-28 21:06:25 <Kiba> the most famous
1863 2010-12-28 21:06:31 <Kiba> and one of the least known bitcoiner
1864 2010-12-28 21:06:36 <EvanR-work> slush: ... thats what im saying.
1865 2010-12-28 21:07:05 <Kiba> he disappeared for two weeks now...
1866 2010-12-28 21:07:18 <EvanR-work> if an array of gpu miners joined the pool, i can expect to not get a share with my pentium very often at all
1867 2010-12-28 21:07:22 <slush> Kiba: what if satoshi use also another nick and he is between us right now? :)
1868 2010-12-28 21:07:25 <EvanR-work> zero shares == much like the whole network
1869 2010-12-28 21:07:29 <afed> EvanR-work: false
1870 2010-12-28 21:07:56 <sipa> EvanR-work: the difficulty of finding a block in the pool does not depend on the speed of the whole network
1871 2010-12-28 21:08:06 <sipa> it should depend on your own speed
1872 2010-12-28 21:08:16 <sipa> and currently is just 1 for everyone
1873 2010-12-28 21:08:20 <slush> EvanR-work: you are wrong. Your share rate is not affected by others; it is different as bitcoin network and rising difficulty. Pool difficulty will be 1 forever
1874 2010-12-28 21:08:21 <EvanR-work> how long has the pool been running?
1875 2010-12-28 21:08:41 <EvanR-work> sipa: ... it depends on your relative cpu power
1876 2010-12-28 21:09:00 <Kiba> your share will asymoptically approach...0?
1877 2010-12-28 21:09:04 <sipa> EvanR-work: yes, but even your pentium is able to find blocks for the pool now
1878 2010-12-28 21:09:14 <EvanR-work> how fast?
1879 2010-12-28 21:09:20 <sipa> how many khash/s?
1880 2010-12-28 21:09:29 <sipa> i'll tell you :)
1881 2010-12-28 21:09:33 <EvanR-work> does it matter how many gpus are on it besides me?
1882 2010-12-28 21:09:37 <sipa> no
1883 2010-12-28 21:09:41 <EvanR-work> ok i believe you
1884 2010-12-28 21:09:45 <EvanR-work> how long has the pool been running?
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1886 2010-12-28 21:09:59 <slush> EvanR-work: my first service announcement on forum is from 16/12/2010
1887 2010-12-28 21:10:05 <marioxcc> hello
1888 2010-12-28 21:10:11 <Kiba> for two weeks now...
1889 2010-12-28 21:10:15 <EvanR-work> slush: i saw that, but i thought i was on this for at least a month
1890 2010-12-28 21:10:38 <sipa> first block on slush's pool was found on december 16
1891 2010-12-28 21:10:58 <slush> sipa: yes, We were 3 in pool at this time :)
1892 2010-12-28 21:11:20 <sipa> hmm, i wonder when i joined
1893 2010-12-28 21:11:34 <marioxcc> oh, my birthday
1894 2010-12-28 21:11:35 <marioxcc> haha
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1896 2010-12-28 21:11:37 <EvanR-work> apparently i started the day you went online
1897 2010-12-28 21:12:13 <slush> sipa: 2010-12-17 at 18:04 UTC
1898 2010-12-28 21:12:30 <slush> :)
1899 2010-12-28 21:12:54 <sipa> ah you sneaky one, storing useful information in databases!
1900 2010-12-28 21:13:02 <EvanR-work> what about me?
1901 2010-12-28 21:13:47 <anon136> you know if you guys can somehow get wikileaks to accept bitcoin as a donation, this service would take off like a rocket and could cause a snow ball effect, if this happened you guys could see the value of your btc increase 10 fold over night
1902 2010-12-28 21:14:01 <slush> sipa: :) well, it is standard feature of Django
1903 2010-12-28 21:14:04 <EvanR-work> they wont take bitcoins
1904 2010-12-28 21:14:10 <anon136> ne idea why not?
1905 2010-12-28 21:14:40 <EvanR-work> and if they did, they us government would send a swedish whore to each of our houses, and while that would be nice for a while, wed all end up in siberia
1906 2010-12-28 21:14:53 <slush> EvanR-work: 2010-12-17 06:39 UTC
1907 2010-12-28 21:15:30 <CIA-106> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * rbff498f / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java :
1908 2010-12-28 21:15:30 <CIA-106> DiabloMiner: Reverted global getwork instance work, it was causing more problems than
1909 2010-12-28 21:15:30 <CIA-106> DiabloMiner: it was fixing. Increased khash meter accuracy. Removed stuck executor
1910 2010-12-28 21:15:30 <CIA-106> DiabloMiner: thread code, this didn't work right and the thread eventually unsticks
1911 2010-12-28 21:15:30 <CIA-106> DiabloMiner: itself on applicable platforms anyhow. - http://bit.ly/iafUSW
1912 2010-12-28 21:15:32 <Kiba> anon136: an old idea, that had been rejected by Satoshi
1913 2010-12-28 21:15:56 <EvanR-work> how does satoshi tell wikileaks what to accept or not accept
1914 2010-12-28 21:16:12 <Kiba> wikileaks already independently rejected it
1915 2010-12-28 21:16:25 <Kiba> and founders have more than one vote
1916 2010-12-28 21:17:02 <slush> Kiba: not exactly. When wikileaks change their mind and start to accept bitcoins, Sathoshi cannot stop that
1917 2010-12-28 21:17:22 <Kiba> surely they listen to founders
1918 2010-12-28 21:17:24 <anon136> right thats the whole point of btc no central authority
1919 2010-12-28 21:17:24 <Kiba> right?
1920 2010-12-28 21:17:26 <EvanR-work> assuming wikileaks outlasts bitcoin
1921 2010-12-28 21:18:02 <EvanR-work> anon136: interesting in theory, but personally id rather not be *that* associated with wikileaks at the moment
1922 2010-12-28 21:18:34 <EvanR-work> unlike many supporters, i live in america, so i am in danger
1923 2010-12-28 21:18:34 <slush> I accept satoshi arguments that bitcoin is not matured yet, but this is p2p network; bittorent author also cannot stop sharing illegal stuff
1924 2010-12-28 21:18:47 <Kiba> that doesn't matter
1925 2010-12-28 21:19:09 <Kiba> the community thinks satoshi's voice is more improtant
1926 2010-12-28 21:19:15 <Kiba> than most people
1927 2010-12-28 21:19:24 <sipa> on avarage, sure
1928 2010-12-28 21:19:27 <sipa> *average
1929 2010-12-28 21:19:32 <slush> Kiba: right, but community is only hard core of bitcoiners
1930 2010-12-28 21:19:54 <EvanR-work> anon136: you are 'anon', why send secret messages
1931 2010-12-28 21:20:08 <slush> There are many people who know bitcoin and does not know Satoshi and don't care about
1932 2010-12-28 21:20:33 <Kiba> but they're not hardcore or involved as we are, slush
1933 2010-12-28 21:20:47 <slush> correct
1934 2010-12-28 21:20:53 <EvanR-work> anon136: i did not PM you. fix your client
1935 2010-12-28 21:20:57 <Kiba> their ability to organize is much weaker
1936 2010-12-28 21:22:02 <anon136> thought when it beeped at me and showed your name in red it was a pm
1937 2010-12-28 21:22:11 <EvanR-work> no
1938 2010-12-28 21:22:24 <EvanR-work> public statement
1939 2010-12-28 21:23:51 <slush> Kiba: They don't need organize anything. When some subject start to accept bitcoins (say wikileaks or First Kiddie P0rn Company) and tell it to their customers, customers start using bitcoins; they don't ask Satoshi if he think bitcoin is mature enough
1940 2010-12-28 21:24:46 <EvanR-work> unless pressured by other customers, perhaps with violence ;)
1941 2010-12-28 21:24:46 <slush> In this way, Satoshi have no voice. Not accepting BTCs was decision of wikileaks, not Satoshi
1942 2010-12-28 21:25:24 <Kiba> they will need to hear of this idea
1943 2010-12-28 21:25:28 <Kiba> they will need to accept it
1944 2010-12-28 21:25:40 <Kiba> it's less likely to happen without effort from bitcoiners
1945 2010-12-28 21:26:02 <EvanR-work> is identifying information recorded into a transaction? ip address?
1946 2010-12-28 21:26:11 <marioxcc> i think you can use Tor
1947 2010-12-28 21:26:12 <Kiba> so, our power is to accelerate
1948 2010-12-28 21:26:17 <Kiba> or not
1949 2010-12-28 21:26:24 <marioxcc> but why do you want to make wikileaks accpet BTC?
1950 2010-12-28 21:26:32 <Kiba> marioxcc: PR gains
1951 2010-12-28 21:26:40 <Kiba> like EFF
1952 2010-12-28 21:26:40 <marioxcc> PR?
1953 2010-12-28 21:26:45 <Kiba> public relations
1954 2010-12-28 21:26:47 <wumpus> EvanR-work: no
1955 2010-12-28 21:26:53 <marioxcc> duh, politics...
1956 2010-12-28 21:26:57 marioxcc has left ("ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)")
1957 2010-12-28 21:27:08 <Kiba> politics?
1958 2010-12-28 21:27:10 <Kiba> just standard
1959 2010-12-28 21:27:12 <Kiba> advertising
1960 2010-12-28 21:27:16 <EvanR-work> wumpus: so to identify you, you must have published identify information next to an address which is traceable via the block chain
1961 2010-12-28 21:27:18 <wumpus> EvanR-work: but neighbouring nodes know who sent a transaction
1962 2010-12-28 21:27:34 <wumpus> yep
1963 2010-12-28 21:28:00 <anon136> you guys see your mention on the keiser report the other day?
1964 2010-12-28 21:28:38 <Kiba> we knows!
1965 2010-12-28 21:28:54 <anon136> thats how i learned about it
1966 2010-12-28 21:29:36 <EvanR-work> keiser report, is that the russian thing
1967 2010-12-28 21:29:46 <anon136> ya
1968 2010-12-28 21:30:05 <anon136> if you do a google trends search you get twice as many hits from russia as anywhere else
1969 2010-12-28 21:30:20 <anon136> cuz they have free press
1970 2010-12-28 21:30:26 slush has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1971 2010-12-28 21:30:30 slush1 has joined
1972 2010-12-28 21:30:42 <Kiba> seem like an oxymoron
1973 2010-12-28 21:30:51 <wumpus> russia has free press?!
1974 2010-12-28 21:30:53 <anon136> its supposed to
1975 2010-12-28 21:30:53 <Kiba> in a country dominated by the mafia
1976 2010-12-28 21:31:12 <wumpus> well free as long as you don't oppose the ruling party, I guess...
1977 2010-12-28 21:31:18 <anon136> na that just what the corporate medias want to you tthink it may be a little worse there than other places
1978 2010-12-28 21:31:21 <EvanR-work> free unless its not
1979 2010-12-28 21:31:26 <wumpus> it
1980 2010-12-28 21:31:27 <anon136> but not like they portray it
1981 2010-12-28 21:31:37 <wumpus> free for a a very orwellian definition of free
1982 2010-12-28 21:31:53 <EvanR-work> you can choose whatever color you want as long as its red
1983 2010-12-28 21:31:56 <anon136> ill say free-ist of the developed nations
1984 2010-12-28 21:31:56 <wumpus> hehe
1985 2010-12-28 21:32:10 <slush1> wumpus: I don't think russia has less free media than other countries
1986 2010-12-28 21:32:39 <anon136> watch russiatoday then watch fox news, or abc or any of the american corporate medias
1987 2010-12-28 21:32:43 <anon136> there is a striking difference
1988 2010-12-28 21:32:54 <Kiba> then there is the internet!
1989 2010-12-28 21:33:00 <EvanR-work> as far as i know there has been no mass media attention to bitcoin in america
1990 2010-12-28 21:33:06 <wumpus> slush1: I think they have, there is a lot of violence against journalists etc, that are critical of the ruling elite
1991 2010-12-28 21:33:09 <EvanR-work> better buy while its cheap!
1992 2010-12-28 21:33:11 slush1 is now known as slush
1993 2010-12-28 21:33:18 <Kiba> Wired Magazine
1994 2010-12-28 21:33:21 <Kiba> will covers bitcoin
1995 2010-12-28 21:33:34 <Kiba> PCWorld covered bitcoin already
1996 2010-12-28 21:34:06 <slush> wumpus: I said it is not worse than in other countries; it does not mean russia has free press
1997 2010-12-28 21:34:22 <anon136> your right
1998 2010-12-28 21:34:28 <anon136> its just better than america
1999 2010-12-28 21:34:35 <wumpus> slush: press in other 'free' countries general isn't free due to 'soft pressure' by the govt, for example advantages, that's different from being killed for it
2000 2010-12-28 21:34:38 <Kiba> violence against journalists
2001 2010-12-28 21:34:39 <Kiba> ?
2002 2010-12-28 21:34:45 <Kiba> so it's better than America?
2003 2010-12-28 21:34:57 <anon136> america is violent against journalists
2004 2010-12-28 21:34:57 <Kiba> how many journalists in America got killed for making fun of the Obama adminstration?
2005 2010-12-28 21:34:58 <EvanR-work> anon136 is a KGB agent
2006 2010-12-28 21:35:02 <anon136> u kidding
2007 2010-12-28 21:35:06 <Kiba> anon136: how so?
2008 2010-12-28 21:35:12 <anon136> sec ill get link
2009 2010-12-28 21:36:05 <slush> Kiba: how many journalists in Russia was killed for making 'fun' of russia government?
2010 2010-12-28 21:36:32 <Kiba> I recalled a few
2011 2010-12-28 21:37:14 <anon136> none that i know of but that doesnt mean none
2012 2010-12-28 21:37:28 <anon136> excuse the source but that makes it no less legitimate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPfTrTBImxU
2013 2010-12-28 21:37:35 <anon136> facts are facts
2014 2010-12-28 21:37:55 <slush> I'm not talking about russian mafia. But I don't think Russian government is the same as before '90
2015 2010-12-28 21:38:32 <anon136> oya in the 90s they were a definate plutocracy
2016 2010-12-28 21:38:51 <anon136> late 80s early 90s
2017 2010-12-28 21:39:17 <Kiba> journalists getting arrested just ain't the same thing as getting brutually killed?
2018 2010-12-28 21:39:18 <EvanR-work> how would you know if anything happened to russian journalists if youre russian
2019 2010-12-28 21:39:21 <wumpus> anyway, I don't think the reason for the extra coverage of bitcoin in russia is the free press there
2020 2010-12-28 21:39:23 <EvanR-work> and you get your news from journalists
2021 2010-12-28 21:39:31 <anon136> im not russian
2022 2010-12-28 21:39:46 * EvanR-work writes down details of anon136
2023 2010-12-28 21:39:51 <anon136> ya id love to see the evidence of russia brutally murdering journalists
2024 2010-12-28 21:39:53 <EvanR-work> not as anonymous anymore are you ;)
2025 2010-12-28 21:40:13 <EvanR-work> its like guess who
2026 2010-12-28 21:40:18 <anon136> im american...
2027 2010-12-28 21:40:22 <anon136> i live in north carolina
2028 2010-12-28 21:40:31 <EvanR-work> youre not a very good anarchist
2029 2010-12-28 21:40:44 <anon136> im not an anarchist
2030 2010-12-28 21:40:48 <Kiba> how many American journalists got brutually murdered by teh government?
2031 2010-12-28 21:40:49 * EvanR-work flip flip flip
2032 2010-12-28 21:41:15 <anon136> srsly someone show me some links im really curious
2033 2010-12-28 21:41:17 <EvanR-work> Kiba: which government? chinese?
2034 2010-12-28 21:41:25 <Kiba> American
2035 2010-12-28 21:41:38 <slush> Kiba: I see one killed journalist almost every day in american films
2036 2010-12-28 21:41:44 <slush> Kiba: so it must be true
2037 2010-12-28 21:42:02 <slush> :)
2038 2010-12-28 21:43:26 <anon136> thanks for bringing this to my attention
2039 2010-12-28 21:43:31 <anon136> ill definately be doing some research
2040 2010-12-28 21:43:49 <anon136> found a wikipedia page on i
2041 2010-12-28 21:43:51 <anon136> t
2042 2010-12-28 21:44:24 <slush> wee, my worker found two blocks today
2043 2010-12-28 21:45:42 <DjeZAeL> :(
2044 2010-12-28 21:45:51 <DjeZAeL> so you earned 100BTC ?
2045 2010-12-28 21:45:58 <anon136> what ports do i need to open for cpu miner?
2046 2010-12-28 21:46:01 <Kiba> no...
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2048 2010-12-28 21:46:06 <slush> DjeZAeL: no, I'm joined in pool
2049 2010-12-28 21:46:17 <sipa> anon136: none
2050 2010-12-28 21:46:21 <slush> My today's reward is around 27 BTc
2051 2010-12-28 21:46:23 <anon136> tnx
2052 2010-12-28 21:46:36 <DjeZAeL> slush: ok
2053 2010-12-28 21:46:42 <Kiba> how many blocks it generate everyday?
2054 2010-12-28 21:46:55 <slush> Kiba: see http://mining.bitcoin.cz/stats/
2055 2010-12-28 21:47:08 <slush> Kiba: last 20 blocks here
2056 2010-12-28 21:47:54 <DjeZAeL> in my account I have no "current shares", is it normal ?
2057 2010-12-28 21:48:30 <slush> DjeZAeL: Depends on your worker speed
2058 2010-12-28 21:48:37 <DjeZAeL> ok
2059 2010-12-28 21:48:53 <DjeZAeL> i saw a 1 a moment but disappears quickly :(
2060 2010-12-28 21:49:04 <slush> DjeZAeL: Round started before 1 hour, so if you have slow worker, you maybe did not find one yet
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2062 2010-12-28 21:49:32 <slush> DjeZAeL: Do you have some 'unconfirmed reward'?
2063 2010-12-28 21:49:58 <DjeZAeL> no, i dont think
2064 2010-12-28 21:50:27 <rapacity> thinking be overrated tbh
2065 2010-12-28 21:50:33 <DjeZAeL> if the rounde started recently ok i see
2066 2010-12-28 21:50:57 <EvanR-work> slush: you run the pool? do you make enough to live on yet? xD
2067 2010-12-28 21:51:17 <slush> DjeZAeL: I see you participated on 4 blocks
2068 2010-12-28 21:51:26 <DjeZAeL> slush: ok
2069 2010-12-28 21:51:33 <slush> DjeZAeL: and you have 3 shares in unconfirmed blocks
2070 2010-12-28 21:51:35 <anon136> so i can get an idea of whats normal, how many khash/s are the guys in the pool getting?
2071 2010-12-28 21:51:44 <slush> DjeZAeL: not too much, but it looks it is working
2072 2010-12-28 21:51:49 <DjeZAeL> slush: can i see them in my client or something ?
2073 2010-12-28 21:51:58 <sipa> slush: can you see who found a particular block?
2074 2010-12-28 21:52:06 <slush> DjeZAeL: You should see 'unconfirmed reward' on your profile page
2075 2010-12-28 21:52:10 <EvanR-work> anon136: 1.1M at work. 300k at home. someone i know is using an nvidia card and getting 3M
2076 2010-12-28 21:52:12 <slush> sipa: yes
2077 2010-12-28 21:52:23 <DjeZAeL> slush: nothing about that on my profile :(
2078 2010-12-28 21:52:29 <anon136> ouch thats hard to compete with
2079 2010-12-28 21:52:35 <sipa> did i find one yet? (i don't think so, but you never know)
2080 2010-12-28 21:52:36 <DjeZAeL> oh si !
2081 2010-12-28 21:52:45 <EvanR-work> anon136: apparently we are not competing with each other
2082 2010-12-28 21:52:52 <EvanR-work> all that matters is your cpu power
2083 2010-12-28 21:52:54 <DjeZAeL> slush: scuse me, i was not looking at the right place
2084 2010-12-28 21:53:16 <anon136> o? we arnt in the same pool?
2085 2010-12-28 21:53:19 <slush> DjeZAeL: your pool login is DjeZAeL, right?
2086 2010-12-28 21:53:23 <DjeZAeL> slush: yep
2087 2010-12-28 21:53:25 <EvanR-work> yes we are
2088 2010-12-28 21:53:29 <DjeZAeL> (of course ^^)
2089 2010-12-28 21:54:38 <slush> anon136: Pool users are not competing between.
2090 2010-12-28 21:55:05 qube23 has joined
2091 2010-12-28 21:55:08 <anon136> what if all these people who are going super fast find the right block before i find any?
2092 2010-12-28 21:55:23 <slush> anon136: Every mhash of others cut your one-round reward, but as pool is stronger, blocks are found more frequently
2093 2010-12-28 21:55:37 <anon136> ah sweet
2094 2010-12-28 21:55:42 <slush> anon136: So more mhash -> better for all users, because their reward are more smooth
2095 2010-12-28 21:55:42 <sipa> anon136: there is not really a 'before'
2096 2010-12-28 21:55:48 qube23 has quit (Client Quit)
2097 2010-12-28 21:55:51 <sipa> you're all looking for something
2098 2010-12-28 21:55:59 <sipa> and sometimes someone finds it
2099 2010-12-28 21:56:10 <sipa> and the harder you look, the more you'll find
2100 2010-12-28 21:56:28 <EvanR-work> finding a block is like nuclear decay event, could happen at any moment
2101 2010-12-28 21:56:30 <anon136> =) glad i learned about the pool else i might have given up on the projecct
2102 2010-12-28 21:56:36 <DjeZAeL> like a treasur hunt :)
2103 2010-12-28 21:56:49 <DjeZAeL> but everybody has a little piece of the cake :D
2104 2010-12-28 21:56:51 <Kiba> anon136: you could make money other way...like selling goods and services
2105 2010-12-28 21:56:55 <slush> anon136: btw I have 600mhash/s. But you don't need to be scared. It only help other pool users :)
2106 2010-12-28 21:57:07 <anon136> like my body?
2107 2010-12-28 21:57:11 <Kiba> how much your hashrate, slush ?
2108 2010-12-28 21:57:15 <EvanR-work> bitpimp
2109 2010-12-28 21:57:19 <Kiba> err
2110 2010-12-28 21:57:22 <Kiba> pool hashrate
2111 2010-12-28 21:57:30 <DjeZAeL> Estimated Number of Bitcoins in Circulation: 4,995,050 BTC
2112 2010-12-28 21:57:35 <DjeZAeL> nice number :)
2113 2010-12-28 21:57:39 <slush> ;;bc,poolstats
2114 2010-12-28 21:57:40 <gribble> {"active_workers": 144, "hashes_ps": 4929164150, "shares": 3925, "round_started": "2010-12-28 20:58:05"}
2115 2010-12-28 21:57:54 <slush> Kiba: ~5ghash
2116 2010-12-28 21:58:01 <DjeZAeL> is time GMT ?
2117 2010-12-28 21:58:03 <slush> yep
2118 2010-12-28 21:58:15 <DjeZAeL> f*ck >_<
2119 2010-12-28 21:58:56 <slush> anon136: Mining is fun, but bitcoin is not about mining; it is new economy
2120 2010-12-28 21:59:20 <anon136> ya i put a message on craigslist i just wish i could make the exchange in person
2121 2010-12-28 21:59:23 <EvanR-work> mining is fun if you have a graphics card from the last 6 months
2122 2010-12-28 21:59:26 <anon136> anyone here live in nc?
2123 2010-12-28 21:59:54 <slush> anon136: bitcoinbuy.com
2124 2010-12-28 22:00:19 <slush> anon136: google spreadsheet is pretty lame, but it works
2125 2010-12-28 22:00:39 <EvanR-work> wow
2126 2010-12-28 22:00:43 <EvanR-work> nice list
2127 2010-12-28 22:01:02 <DjeZAeL> the reward will be deposit on my wallet when there will be enough bitcoin ?
2128 2010-12-28 22:01:18 <slush> EvanR-work: not complete. there are many others on bitcoin forum; I'm definitely not alone in Europe :-D
2129 2010-12-28 22:01:32 <EvanR-work> i should go on this list
2130 2010-12-28 22:01:43 <EvanR-work> but i dont have enough coins to run a decent exchange
2131 2010-12-28 22:01:44 <Cusipzzz> slush: your sheet? how to get added?
2132 2010-12-28 22:01:57 <slush> Cusipzzz: Not mine. Tell brucewagner (nick on forum)
2133 2010-12-28 22:02:08 <Cusipzzz> ok, thx
2134 2010-12-28 22:02:23 <slush> EvanR-work: I bought my first bictoins on #bitcoin-otc
2135 2010-12-28 22:02:40 <EvanR-work> me too
2136 2010-12-28 22:02:49 <EvanR-work> but i have tens, not thousands
2137 2010-12-28 22:03:07 <slush> EvanR-work: And then sell them in person :))
2138 2010-12-28 22:03:17 <EvanR-work> heh
2139 2010-12-28 22:03:39 <slush> EvanR-work: many users who are interested in bitcoin want only few for test.
2140 2010-12-28 22:04:29 <EvanR-work> this list sort of sacrifices my anonymity :S
2141 2010-12-28 22:04:29 <slush> EvanR-work: There is still barrier for newcomers; not easy way how to buy first bitcoins.
2142 2010-12-28 22:05:09 <EvanR-work> an iphone app would be nice
2143 2010-12-28 22:05:24 <EvanR-work> so i can make the exchange somewhere 'in the field'
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2145 2010-12-28 22:06:18 <slush> EvanR-work: use mybitcoin.com web interface
2146 2010-12-28 22:06:27 <EvanR-work> ah
2147 2010-12-28 22:06:34 <slush> EvanR-work: not ideal, but works 'in the field'
2148 2010-12-28 22:06:49 <EvanR-work> they take a cut too?
2149 2010-12-28 22:06:54 <slush> I don't think so
2150 2010-12-28 22:06:56 <slush> it is free
2151 2010-12-28 22:07:43 <EvanR-work> what is the probability distribution for getting a share at 1.1M hash per second
2152 2010-12-28 22:08:36 <slush> EvanR-work: http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php
2153 2010-12-28 22:08:47 <slush> EvanR-work: it is exponential distribution
2154 2010-12-28 22:09:04 <EvanR-work> talking about the pool
2155 2010-12-28 22:09:10 <EvanR-work> you said it didnt matter who was in the pool
2156 2010-12-28 22:09:25 <EvanR-work> this calculator difficulty is fixed at 14484
2157 2010-12-28 22:09:38 TD has joined
2158 2010-12-28 22:09:48 <slush> EvanR-work: pool has fixed internal difficulty (1)
2159 2010-12-28 22:09:57 <EvanR-work> ok, so whats the probability
2160 2010-12-28 22:10:09 <slush> EvanR-work: but it is only for counting shares
2161 2010-12-28 22:10:16 <EvanR-work> thats what im asking
2162 2010-12-28 22:10:27 <EvanR-work> probability of getting a share per second
2163 2010-12-28 22:10:45 <sipa> EvanR-work: what is your khash/s?
2164 2010-12-28 22:10:49 <EvanR-work> 1.1M
2165 2010-12-28 22:10:56 <slush> EvanR-work: I don't know :)
2166 2010-12-28 22:11:24 <sipa> EvanR-work: .0002561137 shares/s
2167 2010-12-28 22:11:39 <sipa> 1100000/2^32
2168 2010-12-28 22:11:59 <slush> sipa: oh of course
2169 2010-12-28 22:12:20 <EvanR-work> so you are saying, if i wait 5000 seconds or so, i will get 1 share on average
2170 2010-12-28 22:12:49 <EvanR-work> whats the 1100000?
2171 2010-12-28 22:12:59 <sipa> your hashes/s
2172 2010-12-28 22:13:13 <slush> EvanR-work: true for long term. Time to time you find two shares in minute and then will wait many hours for next one
2173 2010-12-28 22:13:36 <EvanR-work> so we are looking at a 'very high' variance
2174 2010-12-28 22:13:49 <slush> but better than wait 654 days _in average_ for full block :))
2175 2010-12-28 22:13:51 <sipa> standard deviation is equal to the average time between shares actually
2176 2010-12-28 22:14:16 <EvanR-work> really now
2177 2010-12-28 22:15:00 <sipa> 3905s in your case
2178 2010-12-28 22:15:30 <slush> sipa: check your wallet
2179 2010-12-28 22:15:45 <sipa> slush: \o/
2180 2010-12-28 22:16:09 <DjeZAeL> "check your wallet, something disappears in it" XD
2181 2010-12-28 22:16:37 <EvanR-work> slush just cracked bitcoin, unplug your modems
2182 2010-12-28 22:16:46 * sipa is now proud owner of 26.34 BTC!
2183 2010-12-28 22:17:00 <Cusipzzz> congrats!
2184 2010-12-28 22:17:04 <slush> :-D
2185 2010-12-28 22:17:30 * DjeZAeL has no BTC :(
2186 2010-12-28 22:17:43 <EvanR-work> DjeZAeL: visit the bitcoin faucet
2187 2010-12-28 22:17:43 <sipa> DjeZAeL: use the faucet!
2188 2010-12-28 22:17:54 <DjeZAeL> url ?
2189 2010-12-28 22:17:58 <DjeZAeL> i dunno this
2190 2010-12-28 22:18:10 <EvanR-work> it might be on google
2191 2010-12-28 22:18:14 <DjeZAeL> ok
2192 2010-12-28 22:18:37 <slush> DjeZAeL: Or change your send threshold to 0.1 and will receive some at 23.00 UTC
2193 2010-12-28 22:18:53 <sipa> ;;google bitcoin faucet
2194 2010-12-28 22:18:53 <gribble> Bitcoin Faucet: <https://freebitcoins.appspot.com/>; Bitcoin Faucet changes: <http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=206.0>; Print Page - Bitcoin Faucet abuser: <http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?action=printpage;topic=1998.0>
2195 2010-12-28 22:18:56 <bitbot> Bitcoin Faucet changes
2196 2010-12-28 22:18:57 <slush> DjeZAeL: oh, 0.01, of course
2197 2010-12-28 22:19:55 <EvanR-work> slush: do you send before the 160 or some odd confirmations?
2198 2010-12-28 22:20:17 <slush> EvanR-work: I send only confirmed blocks (120 confirmationss)
2199 2010-12-28 22:20:21 <DjeZAeL> slush: i'm not understanding all you said to me :/
2200 2010-12-28 22:20:39 <slush> DjeZAeL: I see you have >0.01 btcs on pool reward
2201 2010-12-28 22:20:50 <DjeZAeL> ah
2202 2010-12-28 22:20:54 <slush> DjeZAeL: Change your 'send threshold' to 0.01 and system will send you your reward in next cron job
2203 2010-12-28 22:21:00 <DjeZAeL> ok
2204 2010-12-28 22:21:02 <slush> DjeZAeL: Sorry for my lame English :)
2205 2010-12-28 22:21:08 <DjeZAeL> sorry for the newbie i am :(
2206 2010-12-28 22:21:23 <DjeZAeL> slush: i'm french, and not very used to chat in english :$
2207 2010-12-28 22:21:27 <EvanR-work> slush: isnt 120 sort of ridiculous?
2208 2010-12-28 22:21:30 <DjeZAeL> and new to bitcoin too
2209 2010-12-28 22:21:50 <slush> EvanR-work: why?
2210 2010-12-28 22:21:59 <slush> EvanR-work: 100 confirmations is forced by bitcoin network
2211 2010-12-28 22:22:12 <slush> EvanR-work: next 20 are forced by bitcoin client itself
2212 2010-12-28 22:22:20 <EvanR-work> uhm
2213 2010-12-28 22:22:34 <slush> EvanR-work: So I decided to make it also 120 to not confuse users
2214 2010-12-28 22:22:41 <EvanR-work> my client lets me spend them after 1, and was told 1 or 2 is very hard to double spend
2215 2010-12-28 22:23:00 <EvanR-work> or are you talking about generation
2216 2010-12-28 22:23:05 <slush> EvanR-work: Are you working about _mined_ coins? ;)
2217 2010-12-28 22:23:10 <slush> exactly
2218 2010-12-28 22:23:13 <EvanR-work> oh
2219 2010-12-28 22:23:25 <slush> s/working/talking/g
2220 2010-12-28 22:25:30 <slush> DjeZAeL: I know my English is very poor; sometimes I don't understand myself (when reading old logs) :-D
2221 2010-12-28 22:25:41 <DjeZAeL> lol ok
2222 2010-12-28 22:25:46 <slush> DjeZAeL: But I'm doing my best
2223 2010-12-28 22:25:59 <DjeZAeL> no so poor that you say, i think
2224 2010-12-28 22:28:24 <DjeZAeL> does it take long time between the faucet and my wallet on mybitcoin.com ?
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2226 2010-12-28 22:32:23 <EvanR-work> how did you calculate the average time between shares?
2227 2010-12-28 22:37:33 <slush> EvanR-work: ask me?
2228 2010-12-28 22:38:03 <EvanR-work> wasnt it sipa
2229 2010-12-28 22:38:05 <slush> oh, it was to sipa, probably
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2231 2010-12-28 22:38:53 <sipa> EvanR-work: average time between shares is 2^32 divided by the number of hashes per second
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2233 2010-12-28 22:38:58 <slush> All pool users, please update to latest miner software. All authors made significant changes today (jgarzik, Diablo, m0mchil)
2234 2010-12-28 22:39:24 <EvanR-work> oh, so 1/the other numebr
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2237 2010-12-28 22:39:47 <sipa> if you do 0.001 share per second, you do 1000s for one share, yes :)
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2239 2010-12-28 22:40:28 <sneak> ArtForz: you around?
2240 2010-12-28 22:41:41 <DjeZAeL> "Account Balance is: 0.05 BTC" \0/
2241 2010-12-28 22:42:54 <EvanR-work> DjeZAeL: what are you going to do with it?
2242 2010-12-28 22:43:06 <Cusipzzz> don't spend it all in 1 place!
2243 2010-12-28 22:43:23 <DjeZAeL> EvanR-work: keeping it in my wallet, preciously :D
2244 2010-12-28 22:43:37 <Cusipzzz> can get about 3 secs of bitcoin-porn imo =)
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2246 2010-12-28 22:43:51 <DjeZAeL> not interested in pr0n...
2247 2010-12-28 22:43:59 <EvanR-work> who pays for porn?
2248 2010-12-28 22:44:03 <Cusipzzz> maybe .3 secs...sigh
2249 2010-12-28 22:44:20 <davout> i'll do porn for overclocking tips
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2251 2010-12-28 22:44:26 <Cusipzzz> lol
2252 2010-12-28 22:44:40 <davout> especially the "increase the fucking voltage" part
2253 2010-12-28 22:44:59 kermit has joined
2254 2010-12-28 22:45:15 <davout> and every single google hit starts with "open up the start menu"
2255 2010-12-28 22:45:19 <ThomasV> if I send bitcoins to an address that does not "exist", are they lost ?
2256 2010-12-28 22:45:28 <davout> and thomas: yes
2257 2010-12-28 22:45:32 <davout> pretty much
2258 2010-12-28 22:46:13 <ThomasV> perhaps the adress should include an error correction code, not just a raw hash
2259 2010-12-28 22:46:18 <DjeZAeL> if i had no counscience (and especially no boyfriend) i would make pr0n and accept bitcoin as reward !
2260 2010-12-28 22:46:30 <DjeZAeL> but it 's not the case
2261 2010-12-28 22:46:31 <davout> ThomasV: it does
2262 2010-12-28 22:46:54 <ThomasV> davout: ok, so there is no danger of mistyping ?
2263 2010-12-28 22:46:58 <davout> no
2264 2010-12-28 22:47:01 <davout> not at all
2265 2010-12-28 22:47:09 <davout> unless you're extremely unlucky
2266 2010-12-28 22:47:22 <ThomasV> how many bits ?
2267 2010-12-28 22:47:23 <davout> but that'd probably mean you have bad karma anyway
2268 2010-12-28 22:47:39 <davout> the wiki has lots of info
2269 2010-12-28 22:47:44 <sipa> ThomasV: 32 bits checksum
2270 2010-12-28 22:47:46 <davout> idk from the top of my head
2271 2010-12-28 22:47:57 <ThomasV> ok, that's pretty safe
2272 2010-12-28 22:48:03 <sipa> that's more than 5 base58 digits
2273 2010-12-28 22:48:12 <EvanR-work> DjeZAeL: someone already beat you to it
2274 2010-12-28 22:48:19 <davout> also, nobody here for a pointer on how to tweak my precious' hd5970 voltages ?
2275 2010-12-28 22:48:33 <DjeZAeL> EvanR-work: pr0n is so fast displayed...
2276 2010-12-28 22:48:43 <sipa> ArtForz would know, i guess
2277 2010-12-28 22:48:44 <EvanR-work> DjeZAeL: unless its gay porn, then i dont believe its been done yet
2278 2010-12-28 22:48:55 <TD> i'm sure the hatter is working on it
2279 2010-12-28 22:49:02 <DjeZAeL> argg
2280 2010-12-28 22:49:05 <davout> XD
2281 2010-12-28 22:49:08 <EvanR-work> lol
2282 2010-12-28 22:49:42 <ThomasV> DjeZAeL: you could sleep with people for bitcoins ; since bitcoins is not money, this would not be prostitution
2283 2010-12-28 22:49:48 <ThomasV> :-P
2284 2010-12-28 22:49:52 <DjeZAeL> u_u"
2285 2010-12-28 22:49:58 * davout se demande si djezael aime les films de gladiateurs
2286 2010-12-28 22:50:06 <DjeZAeL> davout: euh
2287 2010-12-28 22:50:06 <TD> or there's still the animated video bounty
2288 2010-12-28 22:50:10 <DjeZAeL> genre Ben Hur ?
2289 2010-12-28 22:50:22 * davout se demande si djezael a deja vu un monsieur tout nu
2290 2010-12-28 22:50:23 <DjeZAeL> davout: #bitcoin-fr sinon :p
2291 2010-12-28 22:50:25 <EvanR-work> booty bounty
2292 2010-12-28 22:50:53 * davout pense qu'il n'y a pas de pilote dans l'avion
2293 2010-12-28 22:51:00 <DjeZAeL> davout: à mon âge, non jamais, bien sur je suis trop juene, moins d'un demi siecle
2294 2010-12-28 22:51:08 <DjeZAeL> jeune*
2295 2010-12-28 22:51:13 <sipa> haha :D
2296 2010-12-28 22:51:30 <davout> lol
2297 2010-12-28 22:51:51 <DjeZAeL> davout: surtout que j'ai parlé de boyfriend plus haut
2298 2010-12-28 22:52:04 <DjeZAeL> c'est sur, on passe nos week-ends à jouer à la belotte
2299 2010-12-28 22:52:12 <DjeZAeL> :D
2300 2010-12-28 22:52:22 * davout :}
2301 2010-12-28 22:52:26 * sipa son francais n'est pas tellebon bien, mais assez pour comprendre ces discussions ici
2302 2010-12-28 22:52:33 <sipa> *tellement
2303 2010-12-28 22:52:37 <DjeZAeL> sipa: good ;)
2304 2010-12-28 22:52:40 <davout> sipa: nice
2305 2010-12-28 22:52:41 <EvanR-work> get a room guys
2306 2010-12-28 22:52:52 <DjeZAeL> EvanR-work: the rooms exists
2307 2010-12-28 22:52:54 <davout> i like french, it's a nice!
2308 2010-12-28 22:52:58 <DjeZAeL> but davout is not in it
2309 2010-12-28 22:53:03 <EvanR-work> have fun being trolled by a man! lol
2310 2010-12-28 22:53:09 <davout> haha
2311 2010-12-28 22:53:17 <davout> it's intentional
2312 2010-12-28 22:53:26 <DjeZAeL> so don't speak french here ?
2313 2010-12-28 22:53:57 <davout> i have already enough women bitching in french around me anyway
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2315 2010-12-28 22:54:11 <davout> also i'm a big fat noob as far as irc is concerned
2316 2010-12-28 22:54:19 <sipa> i general, it's not very nice to go speak another language on an irc channel
2317 2010-12-28 22:54:28 <sipa> in particular if you know some people don't understand it :)
2318 2010-12-28 22:54:45 <DjeZAeL> sipa: it's why i said to davout to come in #bitcoin-fr
2319 2010-12-28 22:55:06 <DjeZAeL> davout: very gentle for the woman to speak about them in this way...
2320 2010-12-28 22:55:18 <davout> yea, sorry about that, however, i couldn't resist a couple of leslie nielsen delicious sexual references
2321 2010-12-28 22:55:40 <ArtForz> short version of increasing 5970 vcore: don't
2322 2010-12-28 22:55:45 <davout> yea, that's why i love them :}
2323 2010-12-28 22:56:11 <sipa> long version: do, but only if you don't need them anymore? ;)
2324 2010-12-28 22:56:11 <ArtForz> unless you have waterblocks on em, the VRMs will get WAY too hot
2325 2010-12-28 22:56:16 <davout> ArtForz: oh noes, may i have a slightly longer version please ?
2326 2010-12-28 22:56:22 <davout> ArtForz: i see
2327 2010-12-28 22:57:01 <davout> ArtForz: i'm just frustrated that i can't go over 600~605 mhs and remain stable
2328 2010-12-28 22:57:07 <ArtForz> dump master+slave bios with atiflash, fire up RBE in windows, change voltage registers, save, flash new BIOSes with atiflash
2329 2010-12-28 22:57:44 <ArtForz> if you're running windows, theres a few utils to tweak Vcore on the fly, but they're not without risk
2330 2010-12-28 22:57:53 <davout> ArtForz: you just got copy pasted into a precious txt file :)
2331 2010-12-28 22:58:16 <davout> i might have to install windows after all
2332 2010-12-28 22:58:57 <davout> you are at 1.15v aren't you ?
2333 2010-12-28 22:59:04 <ArtForz> 1.05 on all cards
2334 2010-12-28 22:59:30 <davout> damn, i thought i could aticonfig my way out of it
2335 2010-12-28 22:59:36 <ArtForz> max stable OC 790-880MHz, avg 840
2336 2010-12-28 23:00:03 <davout> yea, i get a stable GPU @ 825 /w stock voltage
2337 2010-12-28 23:00:12 <davout> other one won't go over 810
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2339 2010-12-28 23:00:39 <ArtForz> at 1.15V most cards can hit 900+, but I already fried the GPU1 VRMs on one
2340 2010-12-28 23:00:56 <slush> davout: same clock on my card
2341 2010-12-28 23:01:03 <davout> is it possible that a GPU won't freeze the machine completely but simply yield plain wrong results when clocked too high ?
2342 2010-12-28 23:01:08 <ArtForz> yes
2343 2010-12-28 23:01:14 <davout> dang
2344 2010-12-28 23:01:43 <davout> slush: that was why you thought i was trying to hack your pool :D
2345 2010-12-28 23:01:47 <ArtForz> usually about 10-20MHz below "just stops" core clock
2346 2010-12-28 23:02:30 <davout> ok, i was wondering about all these "invalid or stale" momchils miner was spitting all of a sudden
2347 2010-12-28 23:04:20 <davout> hmm, watercooling looks interesting
2348 2010-12-28 23:04:45 <davout> have never tried anything like that, does it completely kill any fan noise ?
2349 2010-12-28 23:05:27 <davout> ArtForz: also about voltages, isn't anything that can be done with the powerstates thing ?
2350 2010-12-28 23:05:43 <slush> davout: I know it now. Card is calculating weird hashes when over the limit :)
2351 2010-12-28 23:05:51 <ArtForz> not really, you still have fans on the radiator
2352 2010-12-28 23:06:27 <slush> davout: When you find some cheap & good solution for water cooling 5970, tell me too
2353 2010-12-28 23:06:38 <davout> slush: sure
2354 2010-12-28 23:06:39 <ArtForz> about $100 for a waterblock
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2356 2010-12-28 23:07:01 <slush> ArtForz: I found $100 too, but it seems too high for me
2357 2010-12-28 23:07:08 <ArtForz> and I wouldnt try 2*5970 on anything smaller than a 360x120mm rad, 480x120 if theres also a cpu
2358 2010-12-28 23:07:38 <davout> what's a rad ?
2359 2010-12-28 23:07:41 <ArtForz> radiator
2360 2010-12-28 23:07:46 <slush> I'd like to buy next 5970 and water cooling is 'must have' for me; I live in flat, not in hangar
2361 2010-12-28 23:07:57 <ArtForz> well, waterblocks should get cheaper after 6990 is out
2362 2010-12-28 23:07:58 <davout> like the one connected to the water cooling pipes ?
2363 2010-12-28 23:08:52 <davout> also what kind of power supply do you need to get two 5970's smoothly running ?
2364 2010-12-28 23:09:01 <davout> like 800w
2365 2010-12-28 23:09:03 <davout> ?
2366 2010-12-28 23:09:05 <slush> davout: Next problem is that common (cheap) radiators and cooling blocks aren't calculated for heat from 2x 5970 monsters
2367 2010-12-28 23:09:24 <slush> davout: I have 850W and it should be enough
2368 2010-12-28 23:09:43 <davout> sometimes i wonder, how about simply putting my box outside, on the balcony ?
2369 2010-12-28 23:09:49 <davout> it's pretty cold in france
2370 2010-12-28 23:09:53 <davout> XD
2371 2010-12-28 23:10:00 <davout> i have 750
2372 2010-12-28 23:10:09 <davout> or 700 i'm unsure
2373 2010-12-28 23:10:10 <slush> davout: currently I have -20oC outside and +35 in room with 5970 :-D
2374 2010-12-28 23:10:17 <davout> lol
2375 2010-12-28 23:10:43 <nanotube> davout: you could try piping cold air from outside.
2376 2010-12-28 23:12:32 <davout> yea, that would be a pretty awesome setup!
2377 2010-12-28 23:12:40 <davout> but probably not very feasible
2378 2010-12-28 23:12:43 <ArtForz> 800W+ for dual 5970s
2379 2010-12-28 23:12:49 <ArtForz> 1kW if you plan OCing
2380 2010-12-28 23:12:53 <davout> damn
2381 2010-12-28 23:13:16 <slush> nanotube: what about hot air in summer?;)
2382 2010-12-28 23:13:17 <ArtForz> 5970 at 1.15V core is ~400W
2383 2010-12-28 23:13:36 <slush> nanotube: it became 'piping hot air' in summer
2384 2010-12-28 23:13:53 <davout> i can't really make an intricate setup, i already unplugged the cd drive, my 1.5 year old daughter kept playing open/close/open/close/open/close
2385 2010-12-28 23:14:07 <slush> :-D
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2387 2010-12-28 23:14:19 <nanotube> slush: hehe
2388 2010-12-28 23:14:25 adulau has joined
2389 2010-12-28 23:14:40 <davout> difficulty is dropping, let's open the shutters, might be summer outside
2390 2010-12-28 23:16:01 <davout> on another subject, is any of you willing to help me out /w testing a new bitcoin related website of mine
2391 2010-12-28 23:17:45 <ThomasV> davout: which is ?
2392 2010-12-28 23:20:45 <davout> an mtgow clone
2393 2010-12-28 23:20:50 <davout> *mtgox
2394 2010-12-28 23:21:00 <davout> with free trades
2395 2010-12-28 23:21:09 <davout> supporting LRUSD and LREUR
2396 2010-12-28 23:21:22 <davout> prettier interface
2397 2010-12-28 23:21:36 <davout> and aiming at competing /w mybitcoin too
2398 2010-12-28 23:21:59 <Cusipzzz> all that is the easy part.
2399 2010-12-28 23:22:02 <Cusipzzz> trust is the hard part
2400 2010-12-28 23:22:15 <davout> sure
2401 2010-12-28 23:22:45 <davout> the LR balances will be public
2402 2010-12-28 23:22:46 <ThomasV> davout: url ?
2403 2010-12-28 23:22:54 <davout> bitcoin-central.net
2404 2010-12-28 23:23:28 <ThomasV> is it working already ?
2405 2010-12-28 23:23:32 <davout> i just need to integrate some charts plugin
2406 2010-12-28 23:23:34 <davout> yea
2407 2010-12-28 23:23:43 <davout> you can add btc and lreur/lrusd
2408 2010-12-28 23:23:53 <davout> and you should be able to do trades
2409 2010-12-28 23:24:09 <davout> it lacks a couple of pretty charts
2410 2010-12-28 23:24:15 <ThomasV> how can I be sure it's not a scam ?
2411 2010-12-28 23:24:21 <davout> haha you can't
2412 2010-12-28 23:24:29 <Cusipzzz> exactly
2413 2010-12-28 23:24:35 <davout> see cupsizz' comment
2414 2010-12-28 23:24:58 <ThomasV> ok let me try it
2415 2010-12-28 23:25:13 <davout> if you want to send like 10 btc we can do a couple of back and forth trades
2416 2010-12-28 23:25:26 <Cusipzzz> i'm afriad it will be hard to get traction... mtgox has strong first mover/reputation advantage
2417 2010-12-28 23:25:33 <davout> yea
2418 2010-12-28 23:25:51 <davout> my strong points are no fees
2419 2010-12-28 23:25:55 <davout> public balances
2420 2010-12-28 23:26:22 <Cusipzzz> people will pay the fees to know their $ not going to vanish
2421 2010-12-28 23:26:26 <ThomasV> the only way you can attrct users is if you propose something mtgox does not have ; for example euro bank transfers
2422 2010-12-28 23:26:37 <davout> i could do that
2423 2010-12-28 23:26:44 <davout> but thats risky
2424 2010-12-28 23:27:20 <slush> davout: well, is it open source?
2425 2010-12-28 23:27:21 <davout> and i think i'll gain trust points by stating i don't want to get into money-laundering-hell
2426 2010-12-28 23:27:24 <slush> davout: :-D
2427 2010-12-28 23:27:28 <davout> slush: lol
2428 2010-12-28 23:27:36 <nanotube> or really, any other easier way to get funds in. because lr is hard to get
2429 2010-12-28 23:27:53 <ThomasV> yes, I agree
2430 2010-12-28 23:27:55 <nanotube> davout: if the market was foss, that'd be nice. people can set up similar markets with any currencies
2431 2010-12-28 23:28:10 <nanotube> and it would increase trust
2432 2010-12-28 23:28:12 <davout> you'll be able to transfer mtgox usd as long as mtgox accepts to transfer lr to my lr account
2433 2010-12-28 23:28:14 <slush> davout: what's the system behind? rails?
2434 2010-12-28 23:28:24 <davout> slush: yes
2435 2010-12-28 23:28:47 <davout> nanotube: yea that's a good point, but i'd be killing my advantage
2436 2010-12-28 23:29:15 <davout> nanotube: i'm not against open sourcing it *eventually* but right now no
2437 2010-12-28 23:29:21 <nanotube> well, since you're not charging any fees... what's the point of having your advantage? :)
2438 2010-12-28 23:29:28 <slush> davout: scammer!
2439 2010-12-28 23:29:32 <Cusipzzz> lol
2440 2010-12-28 23:29:47 <Cusipzzz> no fees, but he's going to make it up in volume =)
2441 2010-12-28 23:29:53 <nanotube> haha Cusipzzz
2442 2010-12-28 23:30:02 <davout> slush: oh god, please, i haven't seen gene for a while
2443 2010-12-28 23:30:10 <davout> cpusizzz: lol
2444 2010-12-28 23:30:19 <slush> davout: ;) I'll stop this
2445 2010-12-28 23:30:34 <davout> i didn't say they won't be fees *ever* :)
2446 2010-12-28 23:30:50 <Cusipzzz> ahh the ol bait-n-switch...nice
2447 2010-12-28 23:30:57 <ThomasV> what are the fees at mtgox ?
2448 2010-12-28 23:31:02 <davout> i need to kickstart it, also i have free hosting
2449 2010-12-28 23:31:02 <slush> davout: is trading working yet?
2450 2010-12-28 23:31:03 <davout> 0.65%
2451 2010-12-28 23:31:04 <Cusipzzz> .65%
2452 2010-12-28 23:31:17 <davout> yes it should be working
2453 2010-12-28 23:31:23 <Myckel> MtGox was free a couple of months ago.
2454 2010-12-28 23:31:27 <davout> at least, that's what my test suite tells me
2455 2010-12-28 23:31:30 <davout> :)
2456 2010-12-28 23:31:44 <ThomasV> davout: offer free bitcoins to the first traders :-)
2457 2010-12-28 23:31:54 <ThomasV> a negative fee !
2458 2010-12-28 23:32:23 <slush> davout: well, is here something like 'last' price?
2459 2010-12-28 23:32:23 <davout> something i'm not really comfortable with at mtgox is that he's mixing up different things and making a brand new mtusd out of it
2460 2010-12-28 23:32:38 <davout> slush: no, but that's gonna be pretty easy
2461 2010-12-28 23:32:58 <Cusipzzz> yes, give coins at first...that should bring volume...!
2462 2010-12-28 23:33:02 <davout> i fucking pulled my hair out trying to make a decent order matching algorithm
2463 2010-12-28 23:33:07 <slush> davout: well, make margin trading and you are king
2464 2010-12-28 23:33:16 <slush> davout: and short selling :)
2465 2010-12-28 23:33:18 <davout> cupsizz: yea i'm thinking about it
2466 2010-12-28 23:33:31 <davout> i need to educate myself about these first :)
2467 2010-12-28 23:33:33 <Cusipzzz> and futures..and options. and a market making interface
2468 2010-12-28 23:33:53 <davout> what i want to do, and i think it would be a killer feature
2469 2010-12-28 23:34:10 <davout> would be to allow people to buy btc directly from credit card
2470 2010-12-28 23:34:13 <davout> fully automated
2471 2010-12-28 23:34:27 <davout> it would work with liqpay since they don't have chargebacks
2472 2010-12-28 23:34:34 <EvanR-work> automatically scams davout
2473 2010-12-28 23:35:10 <davout> yea, i'm kinda scared about that, i mean i'm actually scared of infringing LP's ToS and ending up with a frozen account and angry users
2474 2010-12-28 23:35:40 <davout> a scammer wouldn't really care :)
2475 2010-12-28 23:35:58 <slush> davout: I know it is detail, but I don't like URL :). It reminds me seo sites
2476 2010-12-28 23:37:26 <davout> hmm
2477 2010-12-28 23:37:31 <davout> suggestion Ã?
2478 2010-12-28 23:37:39 <davout> FUCK YEA, I HAVE A SUER
2479 2010-12-28 23:37:40 <davout> USER
2480 2010-12-28 23:37:43 <davout> XD
2481 2010-12-28 23:37:49 <slush> davout: when you are on hosted server, where is your bitcoind running?
2482 2010-12-28 23:37:54 <davout> also i generated two blocks today
2483 2010-12-28 23:37:57 <davout> i'm a happy man
2484 2010-12-28 23:37:59 <slush> davout: central.bitcoin.cz? :-D
2485 2010-12-28 23:38:03 <davout> lol
2486 2010-12-28 23:38:21 <davout> i'm on a dedicated server
2487 2010-12-28 23:38:36 <davout> i own a company that does web development, so i get free hosting
2488 2010-12-28 23:38:40 <davout> :)
2489 2010-12-28 23:38:57 <davout> i get to spend my company's money on hosting and deduct it from profits :)
2490 2010-12-28 23:38:57 <slush> davout: oh so
2491 2010-12-28 23:39:13 <davout> my 5970 will also get deducted from the profits, yay !
2492 2010-12-28 23:39:39 <davout> slush: did you put a trading order up ?
2493 2010-12-28 23:39:45 <davout> nvm
2494 2010-12-28 23:39:51 <davout> i'll select my answer :)
2495 2010-12-28 23:40:11 <slush> davout: not yet, I'm just sending some btc to you
2496 2010-12-28 23:40:26 <davout> ok
2497 2010-12-28 23:40:40 <davout> enjoy your grayed balance while your funds are unconfirmed
2498 2010-12-28 23:40:40 <slush> davout: too bad you did not find two blocks for pool :)
2499 2010-12-28 23:40:48 <davout> hah yea
2500 2010-12-28 23:40:53 <davout> i like pooled mining
2501 2010-12-28 23:40:54 <ThomasV> ok I transferred funds
2502 2010-12-28 23:41:26 <davout> but i like getting 50 BTC chunks
2503 2010-12-28 23:41:42 <davout> and seeing that red part when i grep "generated" out of my debug.log
2504 2010-12-28 23:41:44 <slush> davout: so set send threshold to 50 ;)
2505 2010-12-28 23:41:49 <slush> davout: I understand you
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2507 2010-12-28 23:41:59 <slush> davout: but you will come when difficulty rise :-D
2508 2010-12-28 23:42:07 <davout> slush: yes i will
2509 2010-12-28 23:42:17 <EvanR-work> everyone join the pool!
2510 2010-12-28 23:42:27 <davout> i generated a block on the bitcoin-central.net cpu a couple of days ago
2511 2010-12-28 23:42:30 <davout> i was like WTF
2512 2010-12-28 23:42:53 <slush> EvanR-work: not everyone, please. Keep artz out of my pool :-D
2513 2010-12-28 23:42:58 <ThomasV> unconfirmed...
2514 2010-12-28 23:43:02 <davout> yea
2515 2010-12-28 23:43:06 <davout> that's normal
2516 2010-12-28 23:43:44 <ThomasV> but in order to trade we'll need someone to send LR funds too
2517 2010-12-28 23:43:48 <davout> i like that reassuring feature that mtgox doesn't have :)
2518 2010-12-28 23:44:07 <davout> i have like 8 LRUSD to trade with
2519 2010-12-28 23:44:29 <EvanR-work> guy across the room just got a segfault using cryptopp_asm
2520 2010-12-28 23:44:31 <EvanR-work> 32
2521 2010-12-28 23:44:37 <slush> davout: One thing is irritating me on mtgox, that I cannot calculate how much BTC to sell for some price when I want XXX USD
2522 2010-12-28 23:44:38 <davout> i put a trade order buying 100 BTC @ 0.046
2523 2010-12-28 23:44:51 <davout> (yea, i need to test small amounts and rouding)
2524 2010-12-28 23:44:51 <ThomasV> I will not sell under 0.99 LRUSD per btc :-P
2525 2010-12-28 23:44:55 <davout> lol
2526 2010-12-28 23:45:00 <davout> do it
2527 2010-12-28 23:45:01 <davout> nao
2528 2010-12-28 23:45:18 <slush> davout: and it is the same on bitcoin central, too :)
2529 2010-12-28 23:45:58 <davout> slush: will do
2530 2010-12-28 23:46:02 <slush> great!
2531 2010-12-28 23:46:10 <davout> 10s javascript :)
2532 2010-12-28 23:46:43 <ThomasV> davout: how can I see orders ?
2533 2010-12-28 23:46:44 <slush> well, there is mine 10BTC sell @0.3 guys :)
2534 2010-12-28 23:47:12 <davout> oh, and for people interested in the source i can still give out some bits if someone is interested in someting in particular
2535 2010-12-28 23:47:19 <ThomasV> "No trade orders have been found"
2536 2010-12-28 23:47:21 zygf_ is now known as zygf
2537 2010-12-28 23:47:22 <slush> davout: how trade pairing works? When I don't fill price, it will fill current market price?
2538 2010-12-28 23:47:35 <davout> slush: same as mt gox
2539 2010-12-28 23:47:48 <davout> thomas: seems like you don't have an order
2540 2010-12-28 23:48:11 <davout> slush has an order
2541 2010-12-28 23:48:54 <ThomasV> davout: I would like to see the order book
2542 2010-12-28 23:49:02 <ThomasV> not my orders
2543 2010-12-28 23:49:19 <davout> yea, i need to do that
2544 2010-12-28 23:49:26 <ThomasV> lol
2545 2010-12-28 23:49:30 <Cusipzzz> lol details !
2546 2010-12-28 23:49:33 <slush> davout: what, I see 3LRUSD on my balance?
2547 2010-12-28 23:49:37 <davout> hehe, thats not the complicated part
2548 2010-12-28 23:49:39 <davout> yep
2549 2010-12-28 23:49:45 <davout> you sold 3BTC at 0.3
2550 2010-12-28 23:49:47 <davout> !!!
2551 2010-12-28 23:49:50 <davout> i came
2552 2010-12-28 23:49:51 <ThomasV> that's a scam I knew it
2553 2010-12-28 23:49:58 <davout> oops
2554 2010-12-28 23:50:01 <Cusipzzz> sconfirmed scame
2555 2010-12-28 23:50:03 <ThomasV> :-D
2556 2010-12-28 23:50:03 <davout> you sold 10 BTC at 0.3
2557 2010-12-28 23:50:23 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|we have btc scams now?
2558 2010-12-28 23:50:30 <slush> shit, really somebody bought my 10 btc for 3lrusd? cool! :))
2559 2010-12-28 23:51:04 <ThomasV> hey, if orsers get executed that easily, let me ask 0.99 usd/btc
2560 2010-12-28 23:51:12 <Cusipzzz> when didn't we have btc scams?
2561 2010-12-28 23:51:15 <davout> slush: try to buy them for like 0.2948
2562 2010-12-28 23:51:23 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|Cusipzzz: back in the day
2563 2010-12-28 23:51:32 <Cusipzzz> ya, block 1 =)
2564 2010-12-28 23:52:02 <slush> davout: you see, I have a problem. How many bitcoins I should buy for 0.2948 and 3LRUSD?
2565 2010-12-28 23:52:13 <slush> I need the 10s JS :))
2566 2010-12-28 23:52:59 <davout> slush: i know what'll happen next
2567 2010-12-28 23:53:39 <davout> i'll tell you i'll be working on it and then you'll publicly call me a scammer
2568 2010-12-28 23:53:47 <slush> :-D
2569 2010-12-28 23:53:54 <Cusipzzz> i already did :)
2570 2010-12-28 23:54:09 <slush> I see 20.35 BTC on my account
2571 2010-12-28 23:54:15 <ThomasV> so did I. I will until I see charts
2572 2010-12-28 23:54:18 <davout> do you ?
2573 2010-12-28 23:54:18 <slush> and 0.66 LRUSD on top
2574 2010-12-28 23:54:25 <davout> wat
2575 2010-12-28 23:54:39 <ThomasV> where are the charts ?
2576 2010-12-28 23:54:45 <Cusipzzz> and graphs imo
2577 2010-12-28 23:54:52 <nanotube> and charts!
2578 2010-12-28 23:54:53 <nanotube> hehe
2579 2010-12-28 23:55:02 <slush> davout: I like your market. It double my coins :)
2580 2010-12-28 23:55:12 <nanotube> davout: but really, i'm glad to see competition in marketplaces. best of luck to you.
2581 2010-12-28 23:55:12 <Cusipzzz> rigged, obv
2582 2010-12-28 23:55:18 <ThomasV> I hope it did not take mine
2583 2010-12-28 23:55:22 <davout> lol
2584 2010-12-28 23:55:46 <slush> so i cannot call you a scammer anyhow
2585 2010-12-28 23:55:57 sgornick has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2586 2010-12-28 23:56:12 <ThomasV> ok I put an order in euros
2587 2010-12-28 23:56:21 <davout> i stopped apache
2588 2010-12-28 23:56:28 <davout> now you can call me a scammer
2589 2010-12-28 23:56:33 <ThomasV> ouch
2590 2010-12-28 23:56:35 <slush> yep, site is down
2591 2010-12-28 23:56:39 <davout> XD
2592 2010-12-28 23:56:42 <davout> yea
2593 2010-12-28 23:56:45 <ThomasV> we'll sue you
2594 2010-12-28 23:56:50 <slush> I trusted you!
2595 2010-12-28 23:57:05 <davout> i spotted a problem with something i forgot to deploy
2596 2010-12-28 23:57:10 <Cusipzzz> to the forums!
2597 2010-12-28 23:57:13 <davout> lol
2598 2010-12-28 23:57:28 <ThomasV> is the doubling of slush's coins a problem ?
2599 2010-12-28 23:57:32 <slush> davout: Do you think it is good idea divide service to two markets? (BTC/USD and BTC/EUR) It make smaller volume on each
2600 2010-12-28 23:57:38 <slush> ThomasV: not for me
2601 2010-12-28 23:57:41 <Cusipzzz> lol
2602 2010-12-28 23:57:54 <davout> no it was a problem related to my balance after the trade
2603 2010-12-28 23:57:54 slush has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2604 2010-12-28 23:57:57 <Cusipzzz> it's a combo exchange/casino! brilliant.
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2606 2010-12-28 23:58:03 <davout> LOOL
2607 2010-12-28 23:58:24 <davout> slush: idk, market will tell :)
2608 2010-12-28 23:58:37 <appamatto> Any breaking news? :p
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2610 2010-12-28 23:59:02 <davout> do you guys want your 10 BTC back right now or do you want to help me some more tomorrow when i have worked some more on it ?
2611 2010-12-28 23:59:11 <ThomasV> davout: downtime is not good for trust
2612 2010-12-28 23:59:14 <davout> sorry, your 5 BTC :)
2613 2010-12-28 23:59:17 <Cusipzzz> ah, see, he's keeping the float on your coins!
2614 2010-12-28 23:59:26 <Cusipzzz> knew it.
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2617 2010-12-28 23:59:44 <davout> fuck that,
2618 2010-12-28 23:59:44 <Cusipzzz> overnight compound interest on coins...adds up.
2619 2010-12-28 23:59:51 <davout> i'm sending them to the faucet
2620 2010-12-28 23:59:55 <Cusipzzz> lol