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  17 2011-01-12 01:01:04 <gribble> Current Blocks: 102198 | Current Difficulty: 16307.48285682 | Next Difficulty At Block: 102815 | Next Difficulty In: 617 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 19 hours, and 27 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 17955.65024352
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  37 2011-01-12 02:11:41 <kartofeln> so.. I somehow generated a bitcoin block on the -testnet worth 50.03... how is that even possible with the standard client?
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  39 2011-01-12 02:13:57 <tcatm> kartofeln: fees
  40 2011-01-12 02:14:13 <kartofeln> oooh
  41 2011-01-12 02:14:35 <kartofeln> so whoever gets to generate a block also gets all the fees associated with any transaction attached to that block?
  42 2011-01-12 02:14:58 <tcatm> yep
  43 2011-01-12 02:17:42 <kartofeln> so does it also mean that whoever generates a block gets to pick which transactions go into that block?
  44 2011-01-12 02:18:02 <tcatm> yep
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  47 2011-01-12 02:18:22 <tcatm> you could choose to exclude all but your 50 BTC reward TX
  48 2011-01-12 02:19:24 <midnightmagic> i wonder who that is selling 20000 btc for $0.51
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  50 2011-01-12 02:20:45 <beetlejooce> lol?
  51 2011-01-12 02:24:22 <noagendamarket> midnightmagic they probably want to catch a price spike
  52 2011-01-12 02:24:55 <midnightmagic> hilarious. good for them, way to make the rest of the market look like peanuts.
  53 2011-01-12 02:25:10 <noagendamarket> or they had them there from the last time it hit that price
  54 2011-01-12 02:25:27 <midnightmagic> but i think they are doing it perhaps to see what sorts of regulations might auto-trigger for the transfer of that much.
  55 2011-01-12 02:25:40 <noagendamarket> regulations?
  56 2011-01-12 02:25:41 <midnightmagic> or they had them from slow, careful buy-ups of younger btc.
  57 2011-01-12 02:25:47 <kartofeln> oh yeah. right above 10 grands..
  58 2011-01-12 02:26:00 <noagendamarket> ah....
  59 2011-01-12 02:26:15 <midnightmagic> yeah, usually >$10k transfers of cash/money/etc have to be reported to money-laundering authorities in.. i think their current HQ is in texas.
  60 2011-01-12 02:26:25 <noagendamarket> hmm that is ri8ght
  61 2011-01-12 02:26:52 <noagendamarket> also if you have so much in one day or something
  62 2011-01-12 02:26:58 <midnightmagic> should be an exciting development. perhaps they can avoid it unless there's just one buyer.
  63 2011-01-12 02:26:59 <noagendamarket> is that right?
  64 2011-01-12 02:27:32 <noagendamarket> how are they going to find who bought them if its heaps of people lol
  65 2011-01-12 02:27:37 <midnightmagic> don't remember. my wife used to work as a bank teller and could probably explain to me.
  66 2011-01-12 02:28:25 <midnightmagic> well, how would they find them at all, except if mtgox is keeping transfer records. if it's one purchase order, then maybe trackable. i wonder if mtgox would tell us if he got subpoena'd.
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  68 2011-01-12 02:29:35 <kartofeln> all I know is that if you keep making transactions right under $10K through your bank, you'll have govt people breathing down your neck in no time.
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  70 2011-01-12 02:47:06 <kiba> MT`AwAy: you been neglecting my interview!
  71 2011-01-12 02:54:22 <MT`AwAy> gah
  72 2011-01-12 02:54:42 <MT`AwAy> got 70 mails late x.x
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  78 2011-01-12 03:52:40 <kiba> MT`AwAy: last question sent.
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  80 2011-01-12 03:59:53 <xelister> MT`AwAy: all from kiba? ;)
  81 2011-01-12 03:59:58 <xelister> kiba: are you now journalist?
  82 2011-01-12 04:01:10 <kiba> my byline: Kiba is all around greedy bitcoiner who seeks to make money by anyeasy mean possible, wheather that is writing, programming, or making arts and stories. He will do it all to get bitcoin rich.
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  84 2011-01-12 04:05:48 <kiba> xelister: what ya think of my byline?
  85 2011-01-12 04:06:04 <lfm> slightly long
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  87 2011-01-12 04:12:04 <tcatm> 10 BTC for anyone who visits me and entertains my cat so I can code :D
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  89 2011-01-12 04:23:24 <xelister> kiba: I think you should take on my picture challange
  90 2011-01-12 04:23:26 <xelister> ;)
  91 2011-01-12 04:23:33 <kiba> picture?
  92 2011-01-12 04:23:37 <xelister> Tired of POOLED MINING with no result? GET PAID NOW! Doing usefull stuff:) Send pic of "Xelister and bitcoin rock! :*" pen-written: 0.01 BTC on hand; If ur cute girl: 0.05; 0.10 on back or above breasts; 1.00 on them(>18yo!). ~50 BTC for nice girls(PM me). Not faked! 3 nice foto >1MPix. FaceVisible=x2. | Ugly or male? No probl! Ask sister ;) -or- Email Adobe/MS/US gov/China why they're fags(0.03). Real offer:) PM before!
  93 2011-01-12 04:23:37 <kiba> me have no camera
  94 2011-01-12 04:24:01 <xelister> people at first say like "wtf man??" but then they realize this is more sane the CPU mining, and also more green/eco   XD
  95 2011-01-12 04:24:37 * xelister updates it to note it is about CPU mining that is useless waste of time; not overall pooled mining per say
  96 2011-01-12 04:26:20 <nanotube> and you might also want to update it with s/useful/other useless but more profitable/ :P
  97 2011-01-12 04:27:07 <nanotube> also, since one can get 1btc over the course of 3-4 weeks even with a 1-core cpu miner... your .0x btc offer isn't that attractive.
  98 2011-01-12 04:27:29 <xelister> nanotube: what CPU gives 1 btc over 1 month
  99 2011-01-12 04:27:50 <nanotube> i was mining on one 2.0ghz xeon in the pool for about 3 weeks, got 1 btc.
 100 2011-01-12 04:27:56 <nanotube> at about 750khps
 101 2011-01-12 04:27:57 <xelister> also, pic takes 2 minutes instead of say dicking around to set up miner
 102 2011-01-12 04:28:07 <xelister> plus - elcectricity bill :)  or rather, minus
 103 2011-01-12 04:28:18 <nanotube> (well i was doing it on a vps)
 104 2011-01-12 04:28:26 <nanotube> (so no elec bill)
 105 2011-01-12 04:28:35 <xelister> you could run there freenet node and get more
 106 2011-01-12 04:28:44 <nanotube> too much ram
 107 2011-01-12 04:29:15 <nanotube> but anyway, i'm just messing with ya. if you get any takers, good for you. :)
 108 2011-01-12 04:29:45 <xelister> 500 mb is sufficient
 109 2011-01-12 04:29:50 <xelister> well, or just run i2p "because" :)
 110 2011-01-12 04:29:59 <xelister> although in fact that leaves free cpu probably
 111 2011-01-12 04:30:12 <xelister> nanotube: someones are getting it working with
 112 2011-01-12 04:30:15 <xelister> 128 mb ram
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 116 2011-01-12 04:37:17 * tcatm should read a good book about software development
 117 2011-01-12 04:39:32 <newsham> or you could read some code
 118 2011-01-12 04:40:09 <newsham> xelister: how much BTC to make you stop making that offer on this channel?
 119 2011-01-12 04:40:20 <xelister> newsham: 1
 120 2011-01-12 04:40:44 <newsham> if i give you 1.00BTC you will never make that offer on this chanel again?
 121 2011-01-12 04:40:49 <xelister> yes
 122 2011-01-12 04:41:55 <tcatm> I read a lot of code. Problem is, I discover new coding techniques while reading code and start to refactor, discover something new, refactor again.
 123 2011-01-12 04:42:08 <newsham> code golf
 124 2011-01-12 04:42:10 <xelister> tcatm: see last xkcd on that ;)
 125 2011-01-12 04:42:22 <newsham> tcatm: you really should be using haskell! :)
 126 2011-01-12 04:42:28 <xelister> tcatm: perfectionism -> procastination
 127 2011-01-12 04:42:52 <newsham> "the perfect is the enemy of the good"
 128 2011-01-12 04:42:58 <tcatm> newsham: I use whatever language works best. Currently that's javascript.
 129 2011-01-12 04:43:29 <xelister> javascript for what task?
 130 2011-01-12 04:43:34 <tcatm> js-remote
 131 2011-01-12 04:43:42 <newsham> tcatm: thats good and fine, but if you really want to play code golf... you should be using haskell :)
 132 2011-01-12 04:44:01 <newsham> then you could literally keep rewriting the same line of code for years, always approaching perfection
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 136 2011-01-12 04:44:09 <newsham> its lots of fun too
 137 2011-01-12 04:44:18 <nanotube> newsham: save your one btc. i'll just collect votes for people who want him to stop making that offer. if i get to 10 votes from separate regulars on channel, i'll ban him next time he does it. :)
 138 2011-01-12 04:44:43 <newsham> nanotube: why are you killing the irc btc microeconomy?
 139 2011-01-12 04:45:00 <nanotube> newsham: haha racketeering is not good for any economy, micro or not. :P
 140 2011-01-12 04:45:21 <xelister> yeah microeconmy ftw
 141 2011-01-12 04:45:25 <newsham> racketeering is good for tennis
 142 2011-01-12 04:45:30 <xelister> this is an actually payable offer, newsham
 143 2011-01-12 04:45:31 <newsham> :)
 144 2011-01-12 04:45:37 <xelister> s/ newsham / nanotube
 145 2011-01-12 04:45:38 <nanotube> newsham: or maybe you'd like to pay me 10 btc ... to avoid getting banned from this channel for... not paying me 10 btc? :D
 146 2011-01-12 04:45:52 <newsham> xelister: I'm considering it (the 1btc)..  nfortnately i'm not in front of my wallet right now so you dont get the impulse buy
 147 2011-01-12 04:46:17 <newsham> nanotube: now you're thinking!  unfort I dont have 10btc and dont value this channel THAT much! ;-)
 148 2011-01-12 04:46:33 <xelister> better invest 30 btc in VPNs
 149 2011-01-12 04:47:09 <nanotube> hehe well, you value it enough to offer xelister 1 btc to reduce spam... :) so maybe if i lower my offer to 1 btc, i'll be sure to be below your reservation price. :D
 150 2011-01-12 04:49:20 <nanotube> xelister: btw, i /am/ running an i2p node on the vps. :)
 151 2011-01-12 04:49:52 <tcatm> I want to use ? in variable names :/
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 153 2011-01-12 04:52:27 <newsham> does your lang support unicode?  any questionmark-like chars that you can use in vars?
 154 2011-01-12 04:53:06 <tcatm> mhm not without making the code hard to maintain
 155 2011-01-12 04:53:35 <nanotube> or more to the point... why do you want question marks in variable names. :)
 156 2011-01-12 04:54:27 <tcatm> passing boolean vars to functions
 157 2011-01-12 04:54:54 <xelister> nanotube: cheers. Is there i2p<->fn yet?
 158 2011-01-12 04:55:02 <nanotube> xelister: yes, on #bitcoin-discussion
 159 2011-01-12 04:55:09 <nanotube> that is, in fact, the very reason i'm running i2p :)
 160 2011-01-12 04:55:12 <xelister> erm. bitcoin <-> i2
 161 2011-01-12 04:55:14 <xelister> erm. bitcoin <-> i2p
 162 2011-01-12 04:55:24 <nanotube> ah... they're working on it.
 163 2011-01-12 04:55:37 <kartofeln> random Q in case someone knows: why is my GPU clock slowing down from 850 to 400 Mhz when a video is playing, and how would one go about forcing it back up to a happy frequency?
 164 2011-01-12 04:55:50 <tcatm> kartofeln: better cooling?
 165 2011-01-12 04:57:02 <xelister> what, 50% slowdown? strange. ask #hardware
 166 2011-01-12 04:57:04 <kartofeln> well, the temperature is certainly colder.. without video playing, mining full blast, the GPU heats up to 76 C, while now it's capped at 52 C..
 167 2011-01-12 04:57:06 <xelister> or ArtForz ;)
 168 2011-01-12 04:57:32 <tcatm> kartofeln: so it slows down while mining and playing video?
 169 2011-01-12 04:57:38 <kartofeln> while playing video yes.
 170 2011-01-12 04:57:46 <tcatm> without mining?
 171 2011-01-12 04:57:47 <kartofeln> effective mining throughput drops to 40% of optimal.
 172 2011-01-12 04:57:59 <kartofeln> with or without. the clock stays at 400 Mhz while video plays.
 173 2011-01-12 04:58:07 <tcatm> maybe some powersave feature
 174 2011-01-12 04:58:18 <kartofeln> and usually goes back up to 850 once it stops. I had to kill the video playing process occasionally to make it happen.,
 175 2011-01-12 04:58:27 <nanotube> kartofeln: well, clearly, the solution to maximize your mining output is to play less video. :)
 176 2011-01-12 04:58:32 * tcatm loves testnet
 177 2011-01-12 04:58:32 <kartofeln> :'(
 178 2011-01-12 04:58:35 <newsham> would they want to lower the gpu perf to make it quieter?
 179 2011-01-12 04:58:49 <newsham> (does it have a loud fan?)
 180 2011-01-12 04:59:02 <kartofeln> the fan is a bit loudish, yes.
 181 2011-01-12 04:59:18 <newsham> just a random guess
 182 2011-01-12 05:00:03 <kartofeln> interestingly, MSI Afterburner isn't able to change the frequency back manually either.
 183 2011-01-12 05:00:06 <kartofeln> I just seem to have no control over this.
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 186 2011-01-12 05:04:14 <nanotube> xelister: are you by any chance interested in helping out the bitcoin over i2p effort? cuz i'm sure the i2pers would be happy to have extra help...
 187 2011-01-12 05:08:07 <joe_1> isn't there only 1 main i2p developer anymore
 188 2011-01-12 05:08:36 <kartofeln> ok, I can narrow it to H264 videos, that apparently have GPU accelerated playback in the flash player.
 189 2011-01-12 05:11:02 <xelister> nanotube: brb
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 191 2011-01-12 05:11:50 <nanotube> joe_1: there's a community of devs, afaik. but i'm not sure, i'm not deeply into i2p...
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 194 2011-01-12 05:36:16 <Diablo-D3> [1/11/11 2:15:01 PM] Block 290 found on ATI RV770 (#1)
 195 2011-01-12 05:36:16 <Diablo-D3> [1/12/11 12:31:08 AM] Block 291 found on ATI RV770 (#1)
 196 2011-01-12 05:36:19 <Diablo-D3> heheheh
 197 2011-01-12 05:39:59 <kiba> http://wiki.kibabase.com/Thinking_From_Someone's_Perspective
 198 2011-01-12 05:40:06 * kiba write a short paragraph of reflection
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 201 2011-01-12 05:52:16 <tcatm> Looks like someone is testing miners on testnet? :)
 202 2011-01-12 05:58:07 <kiba> let start a testnet to create a testnet!
 203 2011-01-12 06:06:06 <nanotube> kiba: what is your objective in life?
 204 2011-01-12 06:06:24 <kiba> objective in life?
 205 2011-01-12 06:06:33 <kiba> Good question!
 206 2011-01-12 06:08:44 <nanotube> kiba: well that wiki page you wrote seemed to imply that you had that pretty clear in your head. :)
 207 2011-01-12 06:09:03 <kiba> let see, I wanna get laid
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 219 2011-01-12 07:02:03 <newsham> mining on testnet is much more profitable
 220 2011-01-12 07:02:25 <newsham> whats the tnbtc to btc conversion?
 221 2011-01-12 07:03:09 <lfm> well whats the value of testnet btc?
 222 2011-01-12 07:03:22 <newsham> thats what i just said
 223 2011-01-12 07:03:39 <lfm> i dont think there actaually is a market for testnet btc
 224 2011-01-12 07:04:19 <newsham> who has the most tnbtc when he dies wins
 225 2011-01-12 07:04:31 <lfm> like you cant really convert them
 226 2011-01-12 07:05:04 <lfm> ie they arnt worth anything
 227 2011-01-12 07:05:18 <newsham> says you
 228 2011-01-12 07:05:26 <lfm> so testnet isnt really profitable
 229 2011-01-12 07:05:42 <newsham> just cause its not liquid today..
 230 2011-01-12 07:05:54 <nanotube> also too easily subvertible, with not much cpu power behind it.
 231 2011-01-12 07:06:13 <sgornick> Buying 100,000 TNBTC for 1 BTC.    There. ,... now all I need is a willing seller and we have a market.
 232 2011-01-12 07:06:45 <lfm> also testnet is run with the warning that it can be rebooted and throws away the current block chain
 233 2011-01-12 07:07:28 <nanotube> i'll also buy 100k tnbtc for 1 btc. looks like we have the beginnings of an exchange here. haha
 234 2011-01-12 07:08:05 <newsham> whats the current tn difficulty?
 235 2011-01-12 07:08:55 <lfm> ;;bc,difficylty
 236 2011-01-12 07:08:55 <gribble> Error: "bc,difficylty" is not a valid command.
 237 2011-01-12 07:09:02 <lfm> ;;bc,difficulty
 238 2011-01-12 07:09:02 <gribble> Error: "bc,difficulty" is not a valid command.
 239 2011-01-12 07:09:11 <lfm> ;;bc,stats
 240 2011-01-12 07:09:13 <nanotube> 11.67
 241 2011-01-12 07:09:14 <gribble> Current Blocks: 102238 | Current Difficulty: 16307.48285682 | Next Difficulty At Block: 102815 | Next Difficulty In: 577 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 13 hours, 35 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 17951.07232420
 242 2011-01-12 07:09:33 <nanotube> lfm: you were looking for bc,diff but that's for realnet diff, not tn
 243 2011-01-12 07:09:46 <lfm> k
 244 2011-01-12 07:11:03 <nanotube> mmm, 11.67 diff on testnet... pretty nice. :)
 245 2011-01-12 07:11:11 <nanotube> ;;bc,calcd 1000 11.67
 246 2011-01-12 07:11:11 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 11.67, is 13 hours, 55 minutes, and 22 seconds
 247 2011-01-12 07:11:19 <nanotube> hehe
 248 2011-01-12 07:12:07 <lfm> jeez, thats great, you should start a pool!
 249 2011-01-12 07:15:17 <newsham> no pool required
 250 2011-01-12 07:15:39 <newsham> so 2hrs per 50tnbc at 7Mhps?
 251 2011-01-12 07:15:50 <newsham> still take a while for 100k tnbtc
 252 2011-01-12 07:16:33 <lfm> it would take a while even at 10 min per 50btc\
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 254 2011-01-12 07:18:43 <newsham> i should make a game that accepts tnbtc
 255 2011-01-12 07:22:32 <nanotube> hehe
 256 2011-01-12 07:23:00 <newsham> might actually be a good idea because hen i can have an external currency but without the headaches of it having real value
 257 2011-01-12 07:23:20 <nanotube> heh
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 259 2011-01-12 07:23:49 <newsham> i'm working ona small gambling game now
 260 2011-01-12 07:23:58 <newsham> and if its not real value its not really gambling
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 318 2011-01-12 10:32:39 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,calc 530000
 319 2011-01-12 10:32:40 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 530000 Khps, given current difficulty of 16307.48285682 , is 1 day, 12 hours, 42 minutes, and 31 seconds
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 321 2011-01-12 10:33:24 <da2ce7> G'day bitcoiners'
 322 2011-01-12 10:34:01 <UukGoblin> D-day germans
 323 2011-01-12 10:34:34 <da2ce7> lol
 324 2011-01-12 10:37:08 <da2ce7> Germans are stereotypically good savers... they should like bitcoin
 325 2011-01-12 10:43:46 <UukGoblin> (no offense meant of course)
 326 2011-01-12 10:44:05 <UukGoblin> yeah I think ArtForzZz is german and he does like bitcoin :-]
 327 2011-01-12 10:44:23 <UukGoblin> one thing I /don't/ like about bitcoin is that it's ultimately still only money
 328 2011-01-12 10:44:27 <UukGoblin> and money sucks
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 331 2011-01-12 10:50:16 <da2ce7> money is great, it is a way to trade good will between people
 332 2011-01-12 10:51:49 <joe_1> thanks to bruce bitcoin is going to skyrocket
 333 2011-01-12 10:51:59 <sipa> who's bruce?
 334 2011-01-12 10:53:37 <joe_1> he's a guy who lives in new york city and he posts on the forum but doesn't come on irc. he has a lot of energy and he has given several interviews to radio stations about bitcoins, and most recently he gotten a point-of-sale company to agree to put bitcoin in their software, so we'll be able to pay with bitcoins at restaurants
 335 2011-01-12 10:54:11 <sipa> oh yes, i read about that
 336 2011-01-12 10:54:54 <reQunix> Has there been any traction on versioning the protocol instead of the client? Haven't checked the forums much recently?
 337 2011-01-12 10:55:47 <joe_1> i havent been dialed into that i don't know. i was under the understanding that the protocol is not going to change any more.
 338 2011-01-12 10:56:38 <joe_1> are you talking about the bruce wagner stuff or the bitcoin client and protocol in general?
 339 2011-01-12 10:56:55 <reQunix> No, just in general.
 340 2011-01-12 10:56:59 <joe_1> ok
 341 2011-01-12 10:57:26 <reQunix> I've been tempted to do a cross-platform Ruby implementation for sites to process payments.
 342 2011-01-12 10:58:09 <reQunix> I've got one in the works, but it relies on the regular client running in the background.
 343 2011-01-12 10:58:55 <joe_1> does it just hold people's money and let them send it to other users then they can withdraw it back out? or does it link in with other currencies like liberty reserve?
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 345 2011-01-12 10:59:15 <reQunix> No, it just deals with Bitcoin.
 346 2011-01-12 10:59:19 <joe_1> ok
 347 2011-01-12 10:59:35 <reQunix> It just simplifies interfacing with the client atm
 348 2011-01-12 10:59:53 <joe_1> so, what we're trying to do is allow there to be many different large payment processors to connect to each other in a network
 349 2011-01-12 11:00:00 <reQunix> So you would make a call to it saying you want to receive a payment and it will give you an address on an account etc.
 350 2011-01-12 11:00:35 <reQunix> So, like getting payment gateways on-board with processing Bitcoin as well
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 352 2011-01-12 11:02:39 <joe_1> it would bring all of these different sites together-- mybitcoin, mtgox, the site you're creating now,
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 354 2011-01-12 11:03:12 <joe_1> they would operate how they do now, but they would have the option of sending coins to users on other sites, and also receiving coins from users on other sites
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 356 2011-01-12 11:06:53 <reQunix> That makes sense. What I'm working on isn't a site, it's reusable code that people can use when creating sites (most likely stores)
 357 2011-01-12 11:07:07 <joe_1> oh ok
 358 2011-01-12 11:07:40 <reQunix> Makes it easier for people creating less standard sites
 359 2011-01-12 11:08:20 <joe_1> what language is it written in
 360 2011-01-12 11:08:37 <reQunix> But in evaluating the benefits over what I've currently got, it's not quite worth it yet.
 361 2011-01-12 11:08:39 <reQunix> Ruby
 362 2011-01-12 11:09:07 <eureka^> i thought you were trying to make it easier?
 363 2011-01-12 11:09:08 <eureka^> :)
 364 2011-01-12 11:09:35 <reQunix> Hehe, trust me, that is easier ;)
 365 2011-01-12 11:10:44 <joe_1> well have you gotten far enough where the ruby stuff is talking to the json stuff
 366 2011-01-12 11:11:39 <reQunix> Yeah, but I'm cheating. :)
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 368 2011-01-12 11:12:34 <joe_1> how
 369 2011-01-12 11:12:43 <reQunix> Using the CLI
 370 2011-01-12 11:13:15 <joe_1> cli command line interface?
 371 2011-01-12 11:13:45 <reQunix> Yip, you can call most commands from the CLI if you have the client running with --server
 372 2011-01-12 11:13:57 <joe_1> cool
 373 2011-01-12 11:14:11 <reQunix> So I get almost everything for free
 374 2011-01-12 11:14:33 <joe_1> well do you have a users database set up
 375 2011-01-12 11:14:47 <reQunix> But one should include utility methods to check if the server is running and so forth
 376 2011-01-12 11:15:09 <reQunix> Nope, nothing in production
 377 2011-01-12 11:15:27 <reQunix> Just a pet-project so far
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 380 2011-01-12 11:16:34 <reQunix> One could just use one of the web-based services that manage an account for you
 381 2011-01-12 11:17:02 <joe_1> yeah
 382 2011-01-12 11:17:03 <reQunix> But for certain types of sites one would want tighter control over how funds are moved around
 383 2011-01-12 11:17:46 <reQunix> So I intend to build in some _gravy_ for lack of a better term to make those things simpler
 384 2011-01-12 11:18:03 <joe_1> oh
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 386 2011-01-12 11:18:59 <reQunix> But I don't want to build anything that stores details of users centrally or tries to make money. Just something that helps people build sites.
 387 2011-01-12 11:19:14 <reQunix> I don't want to own anything...
 388 2011-01-12 11:19:26 <reQunix> Owning things is tedious :)
 389 2011-01-12 11:19:32 <joe_1> yeah
 390 2011-01-12 11:20:02 <joe_1> needless to say, everyone in this channel will be millionaires in the next 4 years
 391 2011-01-12 11:20:16 <eureka^> i'd like to hope that
 392 2011-01-12 11:20:46 <reQunix> Hehe, I'm in Africa. Being a millionaire here means very little ;)
 393 2011-01-12 11:21:17 <joe_1> why
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 395 2011-01-12 11:22:23 <reQunix> Take Zimbabwe -> 150,000% inflation rate
 396 2011-01-12 11:22:30 <joe_1> oh
 397 2011-01-12 11:22:34 <reQunix> Millionaires can't even buy beer :)
 398 2011-01-12 11:22:44 <joe_1> ok let me re phrase it
 399 2011-01-12 11:22:57 <joe_1> you will be worth at least 2 million usd
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 401 2011-01-12 11:23:36 <joe_1> do you live in a tent
 402 2011-01-12 11:23:54 <reQunix> No, I live in an apartment building
 403 2011-01-12 11:24:06 <reQunix> I'm in 1st world Africa
 404 2011-01-12 11:24:20 <joe_1> oh
 405 2011-01-12 11:24:35 <reQunix> Living standards where I live is comparable, in fact probably exceeding, somewhere like New York
 406 2011-01-12 11:24:45 <joe_1> wow thats good
 407 2011-01-12 11:25:08 <reQunix> But that's obviously not true for most of Africa
 408 2011-01-12 11:25:32 <devon_hillard> "An infinite, ordered set of monkeys each pressing exactly one key on a typewriter would produce the entire works of Shakespeare for at least a connected subset of monkeys."
 409 2011-01-12 11:26:05 <da2ce7> lol
 410 2011-01-12 11:26:07 <devon_hillard> the lesser infinite monkey theorem
 411 2011-01-12 11:27:33 <joe_1> would there be an infinite subset
 412 2011-01-12 11:27:52 <devon_hillard> a finite subset
 413 2011-01-12 11:28:31 <devon_hillard> because the number of monkeys would be equal to the number of characters
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 417 2011-01-12 11:33:53 <joe_1> but there's an infinite number of connected subsets
 418 2011-01-12 11:35:12 <Diablo-D3> wee
 419 2011-01-12 11:35:47 <Diablo-D3> Ive now passed my first 50 btc with the pool
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 424 2011-01-12 12:11:01 <dsg> slush: Could you make the pool e-mail notification RFC2822-compliant (i.e. include a plaintext version along with the HTML)?
 425 2011-01-12 12:12:21 <slush> dsg: I know mail notifications are strange. Now I'm working on password recovery and csrf improvements, so then I can fix it, too
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 427 2011-01-12 12:22:16 <dsg> slush: It's not a big deal, I just can't read the notification in my mail reader :)
 428 2011-01-12 12:22:25 <dsg> I can always login to check
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 437 2011-01-12 13:53:58 <omglolbbq1> what could cause diablominer to make java crash? it happens randomly, sometimes after 2 minutes, sometimes after 2 hours
 438 2011-01-12 13:54:47 <Diablo-D3> driver bug.
 439 2011-01-12 13:55:15 <omglolbbq1> hmm
 440 2011-01-12 13:55:21 <omglolbbq1> i have latest..
 441 2011-01-12 13:55:44 <omglolbbq1> used to work fine on my 32bit system,problems started on 64 bit
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 448 2011-01-12 14:20:52 <slush> Is http://chlazeni.heureka.cz/arctic-cooling-accelero-xtreme-5970/specifikace/ significant improvement of 5970 cooling?
 449 2011-01-12 14:21:05 <slush> (better than stock cooler)
 450 2011-01-12 14:21:19 <ArtForzZz> no
 451 2011-01-12 14:21:25 <slush> I think so
 452 2011-01-12 14:21:44 <ArtForzZz> core temps are lower, but VRM temps for GPU2 are WAY higher than stock
 453 2011-01-12 14:22:25 <slush> thanks
 454 2011-01-12 14:22:48 <ArtForzZz> oh, and don't fully tighten the screws holding the main cooler plate, or you'll fry your DVI outputs
 455 2011-01-12 14:23:05 <slush> :)
 456 2011-01-12 14:23:46 <ArtForzZz> the standoffs are ~1.5mm too short, so if you fully tighten the screws you badly bend the PCB and short out some caps
 457 2011-01-12 14:23:55 <ArtForzZz> community found that out after about a dozen people fried their cards
 458 2011-01-12 14:24:08 <ArtForzZz> ACs response "sucks to be an early adopter, eh?"
 459 2011-01-12 14:25:16 <ArtForzZz> and they silently changed the mounting manual from "fully tighten those screws" to "50% tighten those screws" ... WTF?
 460 2011-01-12 14:26:21 <omglolbbq1> artforz you're running 5870's?
 461 2011-01-12 14:26:27 <slush> lol
 462 2011-01-12 14:26:31 <Diablo-D3> btw
 463 2011-01-12 14:26:38 <Diablo-D3> we shouldnt be really chasing after 5970s anymore
 464 2011-01-12 14:26:42 <Diablo-D3> the stock is getting too low
 465 2011-01-12 14:26:46 <Diablo-D3> and this is going to fuck people
 466 2011-01-12 14:26:55 <Diablo-D3> omglolbbq1: its a driver bug. seriously.
 467 2011-01-12 14:27:14 <omglolbbq1> diablo, what can i do about it, i'm runnning latest version
 468 2011-01-12 14:27:22 <Diablo-D3> nothing
 469 2011-01-12 14:27:25 <Diablo-D3> absolutely nothing
 470 2011-01-12 14:27:33 <ArtForzZz> 5970s mainly
 471 2011-01-12 14:27:45 <slush> Diablo-D3: >  the stock is getting too low ??
 472 2011-01-12 14:27:57 <Diablo-D3> third party parts and shit
 473 2011-01-12 14:28:02 <Diablo-D3> 5970 stuff is special order
 474 2011-01-12 14:28:14 <Diablo-D3> its not like the single gpu stuff
 475 2011-01-12 14:28:22 <Diablo-D3> where we've been using the same screw holes for like 4 generations
 476 2011-01-12 14:28:36 <ArtForzZz> I guess the AC5970 could work decently if you replace the crappy vrm cooler with a thermalright vrm-r3/r4
 477 2011-01-12 14:28:38 <omglolbbq1> my friends bought 5870 for almost 400 euro's, i got a 5850 for 170 euros that runs equaly fast OC'ed at normal voltage and cooler :) might be interresting for your series too
 478 2011-01-12 14:28:59 <ArtForzZz> wonder why no one tried that yet
 479 2011-01-12 14:29:18 <ArtForzZz> the ass-end VRM section is identical between 5870 and 5970
 480 2011-01-12 14:30:41 <ArtForzZz> ... wonder why no one tried that yet
 481 2011-01-12 14:32:21 <ArtForzZz> 5870 is bad value really
 482 2011-01-12 14:33:00 <ArtForzZz> hacked 6950s are probably a good deal
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 484 2011-01-12 14:52:31 <UukGoblin> ArtForzZz, 'hacked'?
 485 2011-01-12 14:52:40 <UukGoblin> they have like 1400-something cores, don't they?
 486 2011-01-12 14:53:14 <ArtForzZz> you can flash em with 6970 BIOS to unlock all shaders
 487 2011-01-12 14:53:37 <UukGoblin> ah
 488 2011-01-12 14:53:46 <UukGoblin> but they're crappier than 5970s surely?
 489 2011-01-12 14:54:01 <UukGoblin> as in slower
 490 2011-01-12 14:54:20 <UukGoblin> or am I thinking about a wrong card?
 491 2011-01-12 14:59:11 <UukGoblin> yeah 6970 has 1536 cores, 6950 has 1408 and 5870 has 1600 so 5970 has 3200
 492 2011-01-12 14:59:36 <UukGoblin> only the clock on 6970 is higher
 493 2011-01-12 14:59:56 <ArtForzZz> yep
 494 2011-01-12 15:00:06 <ArtForzZz> 6970 and 5870 are roughly equal for mining
 495 2011-01-12 15:00:28 <ArtForzZz> within 1% or so
 496 2011-01-12 15:00:44 <ArtForzZz> but 6970 is 15-20% faster for 3D
 497 2011-01-12 15:01:06 <ArtForzZz> and probably has higher resale value
 498 2011-01-12 15:02:02 * UukGoblin nods
 499 2011-01-12 15:02:32 <UukGoblin> so does any 6xxx series have dual GPU like 5970?
 500 2011-01-12 15:03:15 <ArtForzZz> not yet
 501 2011-01-12 15:03:24 <ArtForzZz> 6990 is supposed to mome out february
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 508 2011-01-12 15:28:44 <luke-jr> PNY or G.SKILL RAM better?
 509 2011-01-12 15:31:35 <Diablo-D3> both suck.
 510 2011-01-12 15:31:57 <x6763> luke-jr: i've had some g.skill in my laptop for about a year so far, and haven't had any problems...no idea which is better or how they compare to more popular brands, though
 511 2011-01-12 15:33:01 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: what are you looking for?
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 515 2011-01-12 15:39:15 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: building a new desktop
 516 2011-01-12 15:40:13 <luke-jr> how do they suck? I mean, as long as it retains the data…
 517 2011-01-12 15:40:15 <luke-jr> O.o
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 519 2011-01-12 15:43:08 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: no I mean, what type do you need
 520 2011-01-12 15:43:18 <Diablo-D3> and it sucks because they have poor build quality
 521 2011-01-12 15:43:22 <Diablo-D3> and dont buy A grade chips
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 524 2011-01-12 15:55:26 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: DDR3
 525 2011-01-12 15:55:39 <luke-jr> but I can get PNY 4 GB sticks for $65…
 526 2011-01-12 15:55:45 <luke-jr> err, 2x 4GB
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 528 2011-01-12 15:55:57 * Diablo-D3 looks himself
 529 2011-01-12 15:56:15 <Diablo-D3> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226095
 530 2011-01-12 15:56:49 <luke-jr> yeah, $20 more…
 531 2011-01-12 15:57:01 <luke-jr> $40 more considering I really prefer 16 GB
 532 2011-01-12 15:57:01 <Diablo-D3> yes, and its also not PNY, and its also spec.
 533 2011-01-12 15:57:11 <luke-jr> PNY is spec?
 534 2011-01-12 15:57:16 <Diablo-D3> PNY isnt.
 535 2011-01-12 15:57:22 <Diablo-D3> no way thats correctl voltage
 536 2011-01-12 15:57:34 <luke-jr> it says 1.5V
 537 2011-01-12 15:57:41 <luke-jr> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820178333
 538 2011-01-12 15:57:49 <Diablo-D3> its still pny
 539 2011-01-12 15:57:53 <luke-jr> …
 540 2011-01-12 15:58:10 <Diablo-D3> also, its $85
 541 2011-01-12 15:58:53 * sipa got a 5970 delivered!
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 543 2011-01-12 15:59:46 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: PNY is seriously so bad, that I should pay $40 more for Munchkin?
 544 2011-01-12 16:00:38 <ArtForzZz> meh, I prefer samsung or kingston value series
 545 2011-01-12 16:00:52 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: yes.
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 548 2011-01-12 16:01:16 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: oh, and btw, its not $40
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 550 2011-01-12 16:01:26 <Diablo-D3> that mail in rebate, should you actually get it, probably has wording "one per household"
 551 2011-01-12 16:01:37 <Diablo-D3> so its a POSSIBLE $20.
 552 2011-01-12 16:02:02 <luke-jr> 3 per household
 553 2011-01-12 16:02:05 <luke-jr> I read :p
 554 2011-01-12 16:03:12 <Diablo-D3> heh
 555 2011-01-12 16:03:14 <Diablo-D3> assuming you get it
 556 2011-01-12 16:03:17 <Diablo-D3> and yes
 557 2011-01-12 16:03:20 <Diablo-D3> I dont use PNY
 558 2011-01-12 16:03:21 <Diablo-D3> ever
 559 2011-01-12 16:03:26 <Diablo-D3> too much B grade or worse
 560 2011-01-12 16:04:00 <luke-jr> grumble, the Munchkin has no combos with decent PSU
 561 2011-01-12 16:04:26 <Diablo-D3> depends how you define decent
 562 2011-01-12 16:04:52 <Diablo-D3> thermaltake is shit
 563 2011-01-12 16:05:32 <luke-jr> only Rosewell
 564 2011-01-12 16:05:39 <luke-jr> the PNY had a Corsair bundle
 565 2011-01-12 16:06:11 <Diablo-D3> the only currently manufacturered ones I'd buy are corsair ax series
 566 2011-01-12 16:06:24 <Diablo-D3> unless I happen to find a pc power silencer I still in stock
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 575 2011-01-12 17:16:40 <lfm> i got a coolermaster silent pro m600 recently seems pretty good ps
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 577 2011-01-12 17:25:15 <mizerydearia> hmm, iirc rosewell is evil company
 578 2011-01-12 17:25:49 <ArtForzZz> y?
 579 2011-01-12 17:27:11 <mizerydearia> http://stephenfung.net/rosewill-and-newegg-ridin-a-little-dirty
 580 2011-01-12 17:28:20 <ArtForzZz> I dont think rosewill actually manufactures anything
 581 2011-01-12 17:28:32 <ArtForzZz> they rebrand the slightly less crappy chinese crap
 582 2011-01-12 17:29:48 <Diablo-D3> they dont
 583 2011-01-12 17:29:51 <Diablo-D3> rosewill is newegg's brand
 584 2011-01-12 17:29:54 * Diablo-D3 hasnt clicked the url
 585 2011-01-12 17:29:57 <Diablo-D3> this is very famously so
 586 2011-01-12 17:30:02 <Diablo-D3> and news to no one
 587 2011-01-12 17:30:15 <ArtForzZz> well, some brands do have exclusive deals with mfgs
 588 2011-01-12 17:30:33 <Diablo-D3> newegg == rosewill
 589 2011-01-12 17:31:19 <ArtForzZz> for example some PSU "brands" get access to the latest HFC designs a few months before everyone else
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 591 2011-01-12 17:42:25 <lfm> hardly news that some reveiwers are in it just for the free stuff too. They prolly have no problem with those terms
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 594 2011-01-12 17:49:14 <pankkake> yeah, you can't get rosewill products out of newegg, too bad, some seem nice
 595 2011-01-12 17:50:11 <pankkake> when you read some reviews yeah it seems so
 596 2011-01-12 17:50:24 <pankkake> hopefully there are still quality reviews out there…
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 599 2011-01-12 18:01:36 <newsham> http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2011/01/dongguan-ghost-mall-haunts-chinas-property-boom/
 600 2011-01-12 18:01:56 <ArtForzZz> whoa
 601 2011-01-12 18:02:02 satamusic has joined
 602 2011-01-12 18:02:04 <ArtForzZz> mtgox just hit 0.34
 603 2011-01-12 18:02:17 <sipa> ;;bc,mtgox
 604 2011-01-12 18:02:18 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.3404,"low":0.3176,"vol":23383,"buy":0.3185,"sell":0.34,"last":0.3404}}
 605 2011-01-12 18:02:22 <Cusipzzz> irrational exuberrance =)
 606 2011-01-12 18:02:52 <ArtForzZz> 0.35
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 608 2011-01-12 18:02:59 <mizerydearia> ;bcm
 609 2011-01-12 18:03:01 <bitbot> mizerydearia: Bitcoin Market: Bid(0.068) Ask(0.068) Last(0.0635) High(0.35) Low(0.35) Volume(0)
 610 2011-01-12 18:03:21 <mizerydearia> uhh, that's surely wrong ^_^
 611 2011-01-12 18:03:26 <sipa> seems so
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 613 2011-01-12 18:03:47 <ArtForzZz> ;;bc,mtgox
 614 2011-01-12 18:03:48 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.35,"low":0.3176,"vol":29971,"buy":0.3185,"sell":0.3596,"last":0.35}}
 615 2011-01-12 18:04:32 <sipa> so, this means 6588 BTC was sold at 0.35, probably?
 616 2011-01-12 18:04:38 <ArtForzZz> yep
 617 2011-01-12 18:04:47 <sipa> wow :)
 618 2011-01-12 18:05:03 <ArtForzZz> either watch #bitcoin-market or just check http://www.mtgox.com/code/data/getTrades.php
 619 2011-01-12 18:06:42 <mizerydearia> Also http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/markets.json
 620 2011-01-12 18:06:52 <ArtForzZz> or that
 621 2011-01-12 18:07:34 <nanotube> ;;bc,markets
 622 2011-01-12 18:07:35 <gribble> bcEUR: 0.26 (15 BTC) 0.245/0.28519 | bcLREUR: 0.228 (1 BTC) 0.228/0.23 | bcLRUSD: 0.31 (100 BTC) 0.318/0.329 | bcmLRUSD: 0.26 (100 BTC) 0.28/0.35 | bcmPPUSD: 0.35 (100 BTC) 0.34/0.35 | bcmPXGAU: 0.0061 (300 BTC) 0.0046/None | btcexJPY: 2 (10 BTC) None/None | btcexRUB: 9.311 (0.15 BTC) None/None | btcexWMR: 9.1 (96.5 BTC) None/None | mtgoxUSD: 0.35 (28951.2 BTC) 0.3185/0.3596
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 626 2011-01-12 18:15:47 <nathan7> Man, I should've waited with trading those 500 bitcoins
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 628 2011-01-12 18:16:08 <lfm> ya hindsight is 20/20
 629 2011-01-12 18:16:23 <sipa> actually it's infinity/20
 630 2011-01-12 18:16:27 <nathan7> =p
 631 2011-01-12 18:16:34 <ArtForzZz> actually it's 20/0
 632 2011-01-12 18:17:04 <sipa> you know the definition of the X/Y rating for vision quality?
 633 2011-01-12 18:17:10 <ArtForzZz> yep
 634 2011-01-12 18:18:02 <sipa> 20/0 would mean you're able to see from 20 feet away as good as a someone with "perfect vision" is able to see from 0 feet away
 635 2011-01-12 18:18:27 <ArtForzZz> yeah
 636 2011-01-12 18:18:42 <lfm> shouldnt divide by zero
 637 2011-01-12 18:18:48 <sipa> it's not actually a division
 638 2011-01-12 18:18:57 <sipa> 10/20 sight is different from 5/10 sight
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 640 2011-01-12 18:19:33 <tcatm> bitcoin-central lets me login without solving captcha. Can anyone confirm?
 641 2011-01-12 18:19:40 <lfm> i think its always 20/x
 642 2011-01-12 18:20:50 <ArtForzZz> if the crat is 20 feet away, yes
 643 2011-01-12 18:20:53 <ArtForzZz> *chart
 644 2011-01-12 18:21:21 <lfm> ya and they scale it if its 10 feet away
 645 2011-01-12 18:21:35 <ArtForzZz> imo thats bullshit
 646 2011-01-12 18:22:23 <ArtForzZz> if the chart is 10 feet away, 10/10 would be nominal vision
 647 2011-01-12 18:22:46 <lfm> anything over about 5 feet is focused on infinity for one eye
 648 2011-01-12 18:23:14 <ArtForzZz> usually yes
 649 2011-01-12 18:23:31 <lfm> so scaling works fine then
 650 2011-01-12 18:25:39 <brocktice> Whoa, there goes that dark pool ask
 651 2011-01-12 18:25:51 <ArtForzZz> yeah, now if only the method wasn't flawed :/
 652 2011-01-12 18:28:16 <ArtForzZz> simulated snellen chart is bullshit
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 654 2011-01-12 18:28:53 <lfm> what the big E charts
 655 2011-01-12 18:28:57 <ArtForzZz> yep
 656 2011-01-12 18:29:01 <ArtForzZz> which are fine
 657 2011-01-12 18:30:07 <ArtForzZz> around here you need at least 20/30 vision to get a drivers license without a requirement of wearing glasses
 658 2011-01-12 18:31:41 <ArtForzZz> they use automated vision testing systems for that (usually)
 659 2011-01-12 18:32:03 <ArtForzZz> which fucking suck
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 661 2011-01-12 18:33:23 <ArtForzZz> I have only slight myopia, about 0.5 / 0.3 diopters, yet get a huge headache from trying to focus using those machines and usually score 20/50 or worse
 662 2011-01-12 18:33:55 <ArtForzZz> sit me in front of a real or projected chart and I do 20/30 no problem
 663 2011-01-12 18:34:59 <ArtForzZz> luckily theres a exception so you can just waltz in with a signed slip from a ophthalmologist
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 670 2011-01-12 19:02:54 <kiba> oh boy!
 671 2011-01-12 19:02:57 <kiba> the rally is exciting
 672 2011-01-12 19:03:04 <kiba> .35 USD for a bitcoin!
 673 2011-01-12 19:03:30 <Cusipzzz> ./popcorn
 674 2011-01-12 19:03:31 <mizerydearia> Welcome to one hour ago
 675 2011-01-12 19:03:35 <Cusipzzz> lol
 676 2011-01-12 19:03:40 <sipa> 2010 called
 677 2011-01-12 19:03:54 <sipa> they want their BTC/USD exchange rate back
 678 2011-01-12 19:04:11 <EvanR-work> lol
 679 2011-01-12 19:04:36 <EvanR-work> which was what .1 ?
 680 2011-01-12 19:04:42 <kiba> I remember when it reach .5
 681 2011-01-12 19:04:49 <lfm> it hit 0.50 once
 682 2011-01-12 19:05:06 <sipa> it was around 0.28 or 0.29 at newyear
 683 2011-01-12 19:05:12 <kiba> well, our goal for this year is to reach 2 dollars for 1 bitcoin parity
 684 2011-01-12 19:05:53 <mizerydearia> Well, considering the value of the us dollar will drop suddenly any moment, us$2 for 1 bitcoin seems fairly liekly
 685 2011-01-12 19:06:53 <kiba> our economy is now around 1.8 million USD
 686 2011-01-12 19:06:57 <Cusipzzz> it's ^^ kind of myopia that makes it possible.. the coins are held by true believers, thus no real supply.
 687 2011-01-12 19:07:44 <Cusipzzz> but i'm ok with that :)
 688 2011-01-12 19:07:45 <lfm> yes, all money is an illusion
 689 2011-01-12 19:07:57 <sipa> kiba: you think this exchange rate would remain if someone were trying to sell let's say a few million BTC?
 690 2011-01-12 19:07:58 <djoot> well, it hit 0.50 MTGUSD when withdrawals from mtgox were temporarily suspended...
 691 2011-01-12 19:08:03 <nevezen> coin generation doesn't have anything to do with actual bitcoin transactions right?
 692 2011-01-12 19:08:11 <EvanR-work> all that matters is guns and butter
 693 2011-01-12 19:08:17 <sipa> nevezen: hardly
 694 2011-01-12 19:08:24 <kiba> sipa: you mean like Satoshi?
 695 2011-01-12 19:08:26 <sipa> well, it has everything to do with it
 696 2011-01-12 19:08:37 <sipa> but for the economy that doesn't matter
 697 2011-01-12 19:08:39 <sipa> kiba: yes
 698 2011-01-12 19:08:44 <kiba> no
 699 2011-01-12 19:08:48 <kiba> it will probably collapse
 700 2011-01-12 19:08:52 <nevezen> so if you lose 50 coins because forgot to backup your wallet, it's lost forever?
 701 2011-01-12 19:08:57 <sipa> nevezen: yes
 702 2011-01-12 19:09:03 <Diablo-D3> yes
 703 2011-01-12 19:09:07 <kiba> lost in the ocean, forever
 704 2011-01-12 19:09:11 <lfm> navezen yes
 705 2011-01-12 19:09:16 <kiba> maybe someday, a lucky bastard will recover it
 706 2011-01-12 19:09:19 <sipa> it's locked to the address it was sent to, without any means to transfer it again
 707 2011-01-12 19:09:46 <Cusipzzz> maybe that's why satoshi is MIA...had a HD crash, lost 1.5MM coins, jumoed off bridge
 708 2011-01-12 19:10:01 <mizerydearia> What indicates satoshi is mia?
 709 2011-01-12 19:10:10 <midnightmagic> no posts recently in forum
 710 2011-01-12 19:10:13 <kiba> Last seen: December 13
 711 2011-01-12 19:10:16 <lfm> no posts for a month
 712 2011-01-12 19:10:19 <Cusipzzz> nothing for a few weeks at least
 713 2011-01-12 19:10:22 <nevezen> so no way of recover unless you have the actual wallet.dat file..
 714 2011-01-12 19:10:24 <midnightmagic> usually he's pretty active.
 715 2011-01-12 19:10:29 <Cusipzzz> nevezen: correct
 716 2011-01-12 19:10:32 <EvanR-work> kiba: i found a neat chinese phrase to describe this
 717 2011-01-12 19:10:46 <lfm> nevezen pretty much
 718 2011-01-12 19:10:53 <nevezen> what about the rest of the files in that directory?
 719 2011-01-12 19:10:59 <lfm> nope
 720 2011-01-12 19:11:03 <kiba> Satoshi succeeded
 721 2011-01-12 19:11:08 <mizerydearia> mm, repo last modified 	2010-12-13
 722 2011-01-12 19:11:10 <kiba> in being a true mystery forever and ever
 723 2011-01-12 19:11:10 <Diablo-D3> nevezen: do it with the client off
 724 2011-01-12 19:11:20 <Diablo-D3> nevezen: or use the client's wallet backup command
 725 2011-01-12 19:11:35 <Cusipzzz> there never was a satoshi, we had to invent one.
 726 2011-01-12 19:11:45 <Diablo-D3> satoshi was really a stand alone complex
 727 2011-01-12 19:11:52 <sipa> nevezen: the rest of the files are not important, they can be recreated from the network
 728 2011-01-12 19:11:59 <lfm> nevezen did you lose your wallet?
 729 2011-01-12 19:12:18 <mizerydearia> Satoshi is still here, in his alternative (or original) persona. ^_^  We must now continue bitcoin developments without his alternative persona 'satoshi' ^_^
 730 2011-01-12 19:12:20 <kiba> Satoshi is pretty much an anonymous inventor
 731 2011-01-12 19:12:44 <nevezen> yes, I forgot to back up my wallet once
 732 2011-01-12 19:12:57 <lfm> satoshi is a distributed entity running on a backdoor in the binaries
 733 2011-01-12 19:12:59 <nevezen> but this was when I hardly knew anything about bitcoin
 734 2011-01-12 19:13:34 <mizerydearia> lfm: Is there a way to monitor any data transmitted through the bitcoin p2p network relating to the private switch satoshi added?
 735 2011-01-12 19:13:40 <lfm> nevezen how much did you lose?
 736 2011-01-12 19:13:43 <mizerydearia> I forgot what it is called.
 737 2011-01-12 19:13:56 <nevezen> it's negligible lfm, I think. It was only 5 BTC.
 738 2011-01-12 19:13:59 <EvanR-work> kiba: 石沉代海 literally stone dropped into the ocean, used to mean disappear forever ;)
 739 2011-01-12 19:14:02 <mizerydearia> the private communication layer
 740 2011-01-12 19:14:25 <EvanR-work> describes bitcoins that are lost
 741 2011-01-12 19:14:34 <lfm> nevezen ok so less than $2.
 742 2011-01-12 19:15:09 <EvanR-work> shit im typed it wrong :(
 743 2011-01-12 19:15:33 <EvanR-work> 石沉大海
 744 2011-01-12 19:15:36 <lfm> mizery the emergency broadcast system for bitcoin? ya maybe something like that
 745 2011-01-12 19:15:36 <nevezen> until today, I didn't know about pooled mining
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 747 2011-01-12 19:16:10 <nevezen> so I was abit frustrated that I had been running bitcoin for a few months without any generation..
 748 2011-01-12 19:16:24 <sipa> wow
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 750 2011-01-12 19:16:33 <sipa> what perseverance :)
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 752 2011-01-12 19:17:56 <nevezen> but this was only done on cpu
 753 2011-01-12 19:18:06 <nevezen> maximum of 2KH/s
 754 2011-01-12 19:18:43 <nevezen> I just tried m0mchil's opencl client and it's reporting ~25MH/s..
 755 2011-01-12 19:19:48 <lfm> wtg
 756 2011-01-12 19:21:22 <nevezen> but I suppose it's still hopeless doing it solo?
 757 2011-01-12 19:21:36 <lfm> ;;bc,calc 25000
 758 2011-01-12 19:21:37 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 25000 Khps, given current difficulty of 16307.48285682 , is 4 weeks, 4 days, 10 hours, 13 minutes, and 24 seconds
 759 2011-01-12 19:22:05 <sipa> nevezen: i hope you mean 2MH/s, not 2kH/s ...
 760 2011-01-12 19:22:18 <lfm> so you have a good chance of getting a whole block in the next month
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 762 2011-01-12 19:23:23 <nevezen> oh you're right.. ~25,000 kH/s
 763 2011-01-12 19:23:34 <midnightmagic> that's faster than a 9600GT :)
 764 2011-01-12 19:23:57 <midnightmagic> faster than a cpuminer on a 6-way 1090T..
 765 2011-01-12 19:24:13 <sipa> nevezen: 25MH/s == 25000 kH/S; i was talking about you CPU :)
 766 2011-01-12 19:24:13 <lfm> ya what gpu is that
 767 2011-01-12 19:24:14 <nevezen> but it's not a 9600GT. It's a 8800GT :)
 768 2011-01-12 19:24:26 <lfm> cool
 769 2011-01-12 19:24:27 <nevezen> sipa: then I was right?
 770 2011-01-12 19:24:33 <sipa> 20:14:13 < nevezen> maximum of 2KH/s
 771 2011-01-12 19:24:44 <sipa> a 386 or so would do 2kH/s :)
 772 2011-01-12 19:24:45 <nevezen> oh that was from cpu. Then I switched to gpu
 773 2011-01-12 19:25:13 <nevezen> 2KH/s was from standard bitcoin client
 774 2011-01-12 19:25:25 <midnightmagic> very nice. :) my 9600GT is a piece of crap but i used to think it was a strong piece of crap.
 775 2011-01-12 19:25:30 <sipa> nevezen: are you sure?
 776 2011-01-12 19:25:30 <lfm> nevezen ya the basic bitcoin client/server only mines with the CPU. you need one of the separate miners to fire up the GPU
 777 2011-01-12 19:25:34 <nevezen> it was running on an AMD dualcore.. I believe 4000+
 778 2011-01-12 19:25:48 <sipa> nevezen: are you sure it's not 2MH/s ?
 779 2011-01-12 19:26:14 <nevezen> I'm pretty sure
 780 2011-01-12 19:26:33 <lfm> what is your CPU? it is prolly 2mh/s
 781 2011-01-12 19:26:41 <sipa> even a cell phone cpu does 140kH/s
 782 2011-01-12 19:26:47 <nevezen> It's an AMD64 X2 4000+
 783 2011-01-12 19:26:56 <sipa> it's definitely 2000kH/s :)
 784 2011-01-12 19:26:57 <nevezen> about 2.1GHz?
 785 2011-01-12 19:27:30 <sipa> a pentium 3 does 200kH/s
 786 2011-01-12 19:27:39 <brocktice> At this point I don't think NVidia GPUs can turn a profit
 787 2011-01-12 19:27:43 <brocktice> unless your power is free
 788 2011-01-12 19:27:47 <brocktice> or billed at a flat rate
 789 2011-01-12 19:27:55 <midnightmagic> or really cheap (a.k.a. BC hydroelectric is still really cheap)
 790 2011-01-12 19:28:01 <nevezen> so is it better to mine in a pool?
 791 2011-01-12 19:28:08 <sipa> i would say: yes
 792 2011-01-12 19:28:15 <sipa> as long as you trust the pool operator
 793 2011-01-12 19:28:18 <brocktice> It's better to just buy at that point IMO
 794 2011-01-12 19:28:30 <midnightmagic> you'll get "the same" over time, but instant gratification rather than long-term.
 795 2011-01-12 19:28:45 <lfm> actually over the long term it is better to not use a pool but it can be frustrating
 796 2011-01-12 19:28:47 <brocktice> especially since the 95% range must be pretty large at that rate
 797 2011-01-12 19:28:55 <midnightmagic> what lfm says.
 798 2011-01-12 19:29:02 <sipa> lfm: why not?
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 800 2011-01-12 19:29:44 <lfm> sipa polling adds inevitable overhead, not large but inevitable
 801 2011-01-12 19:29:45 <nevezen> I'm going to try m0mchil's client on an nvidia ion
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 803 2011-01-12 19:30:01 <nevezen> but I doubt it'll perform better than my desktop's 8800GT
 804 2011-01-12 19:30:05 <lfm> pooling
 805 2011-01-12 19:30:12 <brocktice> nevezen: your 8800 is doing 25 mhash/s?
 806 2011-01-12 19:30:14 <sipa> what overhead?
 807 2011-01-12 19:30:29 <nevezen> seems so brocktice
 808 2011-01-12 19:30:31 <brocktice> You could have to wait 97 days or even more
 809 2011-01-12 19:30:38 <brocktice> http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php
 810 2011-01-12 19:30:41 <lfm> nevezen itd be slower but the power draw may make it more effiecient
 811 2011-01-12 19:30:46 <sipa> i don't see the difference with running the client yourself, or connecting to the pool's one
 812 2011-01-12 19:31:08 <sipa> that is, as long as you trust the pool operator, and assume no vandalism
 813 2011-01-12 19:31:09 <brocktice> And let me tell you, even though I get them pretty regularly with my mining hardware, it can really be agonizing once you get into that 95% time frame.
 814 2011-01-12 19:31:15 <lfm> sipa the getwork/response over the internet rather than localhost for one thing
 815 2011-01-12 19:31:25 <brocktice> I can only imagine waiting another 60+ days after the average time frame
 816 2011-01-12 19:31:26 <nevezen> hehe.. that looks awful
 817 2011-01-12 19:31:55 <sipa> lfm: that's the same as one additional link in the network, ok true, it's there, but it's very small
 818 2011-01-12 19:32:06 <brocktice> IMO unless you are willing to run ATI hardware to mine, just buy the damn things.
 819 2011-01-12 19:32:10 <brocktice> I know others will disagree.
 820 2011-01-12 19:32:21 <nevezen> does that generation calculator take into account pooled mining?
 821 2011-01-12 19:32:25 <brocktice> no
 822 2011-01-12 19:32:29 <brocktice> you'll get paid much more frequently
 823 2011-01-12 19:32:32 <brocktice> very very small amounts
 824 2011-01-12 19:32:39 <nevezen> yeah, small increments
 825 2011-01-12 19:32:41 <brocktice> but you won't have the agonizing wait
 826 2011-01-12 19:32:46 <brocktice> What's slush's pool at now for hashrate?
 827 2011-01-12 19:32:55 <sipa> 14MH/s or so
 828 2011-01-12 19:33:02 <brocktice> so for every block
 829 2011-01-12 19:33:09 <brocktice> GH/s right?
 830 2011-01-12 19:33:14 <sipa> of course
 831 2011-01-12 19:33:19 * sipa hides in shame
 832 2011-01-12 19:33:19 <lfm> ya, instead of one bulk payment of 50.00 BTC you might get 0.01 every day or two
 833 2011-01-12 19:33:25 <sipa> ;;bc,calc 25000
 834 2011-01-12 19:33:26 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 25000 Khps, given current difficulty of 16307.48285682 , is 4 weeks, 4 days, 10 hours, 13 minutes, and 24 seconds
 835 2011-01-12 19:33:29 <brocktice> for every block you'd get about 0.09 btc
 836 2011-01-12 19:33:39 <sipa> so you'll still get on average 50 BTC in 4 days
 837 2011-01-12 19:33:45 <brocktice> ;;bc,calc 14000000
 838 2011-01-12 19:33:47 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 14000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 16307.48285682 , is 1 hour, 23 minutes, and 22 seconds
 839 2011-01-12 19:33:49 <lfm> 4 weeksa
 840 2011-01-12 19:34:02 <sipa> or course
 841 2011-01-12 19:34:03 <brocktice> if you join slush's pool you'll get about 0.09BTC every 1.5 hours.
 842 2011-01-12 19:34:04 * sipa hides in shame
 843 2011-01-12 19:34:06 <brocktice> right now
 844 2011-01-12 19:34:53 <brocktice> don't forget to calculate your power bill
 845 2011-01-12 19:35:06 <nevezen> can you run the gpu and cpu generation at the same time?
 846 2011-01-12 19:35:10 <brocktice> yeah
 847 2011-01-12 19:35:18 <brocktice> not much point though, and it can slow down the GPU a little
 848 2011-01-12 19:35:19 <sipa> it's not worth it typically
 849 2011-01-12 19:35:26 <lfm> nevezen yes, run both
 850 2011-01-12 19:35:26 <brocktice> at which point you come out behind
 851 2011-01-12 19:35:29 <nevezen> I see..
 852 2011-01-12 19:35:36 <sipa> for me, it slows down the GPU mining more than what the CPU mining gains
 853 2011-01-12 19:35:38 <brocktice> I use my miner's CPUs to run some buildbots that get fired occasionally
 854 2011-01-12 19:36:10 <lfm> buildbots?
 855 2011-01-12 19:36:20 <nevezen> does m0mchil's client support multiple graphics cards?
 856 2011-01-12 19:36:28 <nevezen> eg SLI/crossfire?
 857 2011-01-12 19:36:28 <brocktice> kind of
 858 2011-01-12 19:36:31 <brocktice> no
 859 2011-01-12 19:36:32 <sipa> nevezen: just run multiple instances
 860 2011-01-12 19:36:35 <brocktice> turn off crossfire
 861 2011-01-12 19:36:38 <brocktice> you can use my daemon too
 862 2011-01-12 19:36:59 <brocktice> https://github.com/brocktice/poclbm
 863 2011-01-12 19:37:04 <brocktice> it tracks m0mchil's miner
 864 2011-01-12 19:37:12 <brocktice> designed for headless mining on multiple GPUs
 865 2011-01-12 19:37:15 <sipa> tracks?
 866 2011-01-12 19:37:23 <brocktice> So, I forked his code
 867 2011-01-12 19:37:30 <brocktice> and for a while I had a whole separate miner
 868 2011-01-12 19:37:36 <brocktice> but it was getting too hard to keep up with changes
 869 2011-01-12 19:37:41 <sipa> i also made some modifications to his miner
 870 2011-01-12 19:37:45 <brocktice> so I moved all the important stuff into BitcoinMiner.py
 871 2011-01-12 19:37:50 <midnightmagic> easier to merge with something like perforce..
 872 2011-01-12 19:37:57 <brocktice> Which he agreed to pull
 873 2011-01-12 19:38:09 <brocktice> so now my daemon script and his poclbm.py both use the BitcoinMiner python module
 874 2011-01-12 19:38:16 <sipa> i see
 875 2011-01-12 19:38:17 <brocktice> makes it easy to write your own interface.
 876 2011-01-12 19:38:33 <brocktice> So mine is basically just a different user interface for his miner.
 877 2011-01-12 19:38:41 <nevezen> wait, do you still need to run the standard bitcoin software when you pool mine?
 878 2011-01-12 19:38:41 <brocktice> the work is all done in the same code.
 879 2011-01-12 19:38:45 <brocktice> no
 880 2011-01-12 19:38:45 <sipa> nevezen: no
 881 2011-01-12 19:38:55 <sipa> you can of course
 882 2011-01-12 19:39:03 <sipa> but it's unrelated
 883 2011-01-12 19:39:05 <nevezen> oh, I thought it was necessary
 884 2011-01-12 19:39:17 <sipa> you use the "client" of the pool
 885 2011-01-12 19:39:21 <sipa> instead of your own
 886 2011-01-12 19:39:39 <nevezen> so just run m0mchil's client without the official bitcoin software
 887 2011-01-12 19:39:44 <nevezen> it's standalone...
 888 2011-01-12 19:40:14 <lfm> you can move your coins to mybitcoin.com or some such and not need to run a local bitcoin
 889 2011-01-12 19:41:08 <nevezen> mybitcoin.com keeps track of your addresses?
 890 2011-01-12 19:41:14 <lfm> yes
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 892 2011-01-12 19:41:39 <nevezen> how is it different than just running bitcoin yourself?
 893 2011-01-12 19:42:19 <lfm> saves disk space and bandwidth. turns over security to mybitcoin.com
 894 2011-01-12 19:42:39 <nevezen> I guess if you fire up bitcoin yourself, it needs to collect blocks, make connections, recieve confirmations, etc, right?
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 896 2011-01-12 19:42:47 <Cusipzzz> 'turns over security to mybitcoin.com' - yuck
 897 2011-01-12 19:42:51 <brocktice> It lets you use bitcoin from another computer
 898 2011-01-12 19:42:52 <lfm> right
 899 2011-01-12 19:43:06 <brocktice> It's a good 'wallet' vs. savings / safe deposit
 900 2011-01-12 19:43:17 <nevezen> do they take commission?
 901 2011-01-12 19:43:19 <brocktice> put a few hundred BTC in there, like a checking account.
 902 2011-01-12 19:43:22 <brocktice> no I think donations
 903 2011-01-12 19:43:29 <lfm> nope, its free
 904 2011-01-12 19:43:38 <midnightmagic> "That's right. MyBitcoin is completely free. We are supported by selling small text ads that are in our login area. We are also planning on selling support packages in the near future."
 905 2011-01-12 19:43:53 <brocktice> they should make money off their merchant services
 906 2011-01-12 19:43:58 <slush> midnightmagic: you are behind mybitcoin?
 907 2011-01-12 19:44:02 <brocktice> of course, for that to happen their shopping cart needs to be better.
 908 2011-01-12 19:44:04 <midnightmagic> no, goodness no.
 909 2011-01-12 19:44:06 <Cusipzzz> caveat emptor. hope he doesn't get a coke habit.
 910 2011-01-12 19:44:16 <slush> midnightmagic: oh, it was copy&paste, sorry :)
 911 2011-01-12 19:44:31 <slush> so, who is behind it?
 912 2011-01-12 19:44:31 <midnightmagic> np man!
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 916 2011-01-12 19:44:46 <Cusipzzz> or how do you know how good _his_ security is? one sql_inkection away from losing it all.
 917 2011-01-12 19:44:59 <midnightmagic> "Tom Williams"?
 918 2011-01-12 19:46:15 <lfm> cusipzzz note that this guy already lost one wallt.dat to lack of backups at home so which is the greate r risk?
 919 2011-01-12 19:46:25 <Cusipzzz> lfm: lol
 920 2011-01-12 19:47:12 <Cusipzzz> somehow i'd feel better about losing my own wallet.dat that having xyz online service lose it for me.
 921 2011-01-12 19:47:24 <nevezen> I still have doubts on the actual worth of coins though
 922 2011-01-12 19:47:25 <nanotube> nevezen: just give me your bitcoins, i'll keep them for you, at a modest charge of 1% per year. :)
 923 2011-01-12 19:47:32 <nevezen> :)
 924 2011-01-12 19:47:53 <nanotube> nevezen: well, all we can know is the current worth, not future worth - which is true for any asset.
 925 2011-01-12 19:47:56 <nanotube> ;;bc,mtgox
 926 2011-01-12 19:47:57 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.3557,"low":0.318,"vol":29077,"buy":0.3185,"sell":0.3549,"last":0.3557}}
 927 2011-01-12 19:48:03 <lfm> nevezen the best source for that info is generally mtgox.com
 928 2011-01-12 19:48:08 <nanotube> you can currently sell them at .3x usd/btc.
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 930 2011-01-12 19:48:39 <lfm> imho
 931 2011-01-12 19:52:07 <brocktice> at least on linux or mac os x backups of your wallet.dat are easy
 932 2011-01-12 19:52:30 <brocktice> 1) install dropbox
 933 2011-01-12 19:52:31 <nevezen> I mean, has there been real transactions occuring via bitcoin? Like sending or recieving something tangible (products, goods, etc)?
 934 2011-01-12 19:52:37 <brocktice> yeah
 935 2011-01-12 19:52:42 <brocktice> I've bought some stuff
 936 2011-01-12 19:52:47 <brocktice> sold a rackmount server
 937 2011-01-12 19:52:49 <nevezen> using bitcoins?
 938 2011-01-12 19:52:51 <brocktice> yep
 939 2011-01-12 19:52:55 <nevezen> hmmmm
 940 2011-01-12 19:53:05 <brocktice> bought about $300 worth of gold
 941 2011-01-12 19:53:06 <nevezen> may I ask how many bitcoins you've recieved?
 942 2011-01-12 19:53:11 <brocktice> for the server?
 943 2011-01-12 19:53:14 <lfm> I have collected a couple rewards for programming projects
 944 2011-01-12 19:53:25 <brocktice> I don't remember, it was equivalent to about $250 with shipping.
 945 2011-01-12 19:53:28 <brocktice> it was an old server
 946 2011-01-12 19:53:36 <brocktice> still good, but 32 bit and I needed to upgrade to 64
 947 2011-01-12 19:53:48 <nevezen> yeah, the server.
 948 2011-01-12 19:53:49 <brocktice> yay biddingpond
 949 2011-01-12 19:54:16 <brocktice> I paid tcatm 1000 as a bounty for an android client
 950 2011-01-12 19:54:31 <nevezen> I've yet to try linking wallet.dat to my dropbox account
 951 2011-01-12 19:54:36 <brocktice> oh right
 952 2011-01-12 19:54:39 <brocktice> so, 1) install dropbox
 953 2011-01-12 19:54:48 <brocktice> 2) write a bash script that uses bitcoind's dump wallet feature
 954 2011-01-12 19:54:52 <nevezen> but if it's as easy as symlinking wallet.dat, it shouldn't be a problem..
 955 2011-01-12 19:54:58 <brocktice> 3) the script then gpg encrypts the backup to yourself
 956 2011-01-12 19:55:04 <brocktice> 4) then the script puts the file on Dropbox.
 957 2011-01-12 19:55:12 <brocktice> Dropbox (unlike jungledisk) can see all your files
 958 2011-01-12 19:55:16 <brocktice> so I don't recommend just symlinking.
 959 2011-01-12 19:55:27 <brocktice> crontab -e to run the script hourly or whatever
 960 2011-01-12 19:55:32 <nevezen> oh, but wouldn't wallet.dat be locked when in use?
 961 2011-01-12 19:55:49 <brocktice> no
 962 2011-01-12 19:55:50 <midnightmagic> and then take your gpg keys and put them on a dvd+r and put it in a safety deposit box. :)
 963 2011-01-12 19:55:57 <brocktice> bitcoind backupwallet $outputfilename
 964 2011-01-12 19:56:16 <brocktice> works while it's running
 965 2011-01-12 19:56:37 <brocktice> anyway, so even if your wallet gets corrupted at some point, with dropbox you can go back to previous revisions
 966 2011-01-12 19:56:44 <brocktice> happened to me, recovered successfully
 967 2011-01-12 19:56:45 <nevezen> right
 968 2011-01-12 19:57:01 <brocktice> http://pastebin.com/xJ3ZjymT
 969 2011-01-12 19:57:17 <brocktice> modify to match your paths etc etc
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 974 2011-01-12 19:58:41 <nevezen> I'm using windows unfortunately :)
 975 2011-01-12 19:59:14 <brocktice> I'm sorry to hear that.
 976 2011-01-12 20:01:08 <nathan7> Aww, poor guy.
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 979 2011-01-12 20:02:46 <newsham> found an old AOL 9.0 cd, unopened, pristine condition.  anyone want it for 10BTC + shipping?
 980 2011-01-12 20:03:24 <Diablo-D3> I have a whole drawer of those
 981 2011-01-12 20:03:27 <satamusic> lol
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 984 2011-01-12 20:06:40 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: why?
 985 2011-01-12 20:06:51 <newsham> to sell for btc, obviously!
 986 2011-01-12 20:07:33 <brocktice> I already throw away useless CDs on a weekly basis
 987 2011-01-12 20:07:38 <brocktice> Who on earth would buy AOL cds?
 988 2011-01-12 20:07:49 <newsham> http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-AOL-DISK-COLLECTION-1-1-1-5-2-0-2-5-3-0-RARE-/360210773557?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53de3c3635
 989 2011-01-12 20:07:54 <nevezen> haha
 990 2011-01-12 20:08:01 <brocktice> well
 991 2011-01-12 20:08:04 <systemfault> brocktice: Someone in need of cup coasters..
 992 2011-01-12 20:08:09 <brocktice> it's hard to get 3.5" floppies anymore
 993 2011-01-12 20:08:15 <newsham> aol cds are very impressive
 994 2011-01-12 20:08:17 <newsham> (in the microwave)
 995 2011-01-12 20:09:33 <lfm> i have an aol 5.0 here?
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 999 2011-01-12 20:13:21 <nevezen> everything the miner sends via network isn't obfuscated in some way? All in the clear?
1000 2011-01-12 20:14:32 <lfm> pretty much unencrypted ya. it uses cryptographically secure hashes to ensure data integrity tho
1001 2011-01-12 20:15:52 <lfm> not really any point to encrypt the txn since anyone can join the net and get all the info anyway
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1003 2011-01-12 20:16:55 <kiba> pretty crazy that 9000 dollars moved today
1004 2011-01-12 20:17:10 <nathan7> not OVER NINE THOUSAND?
1005 2011-01-12 20:18:13 <lfm> if it was over $10000 we' all have to report it to various government departments by law
1006 2011-01-12 20:18:28 <ArtForzZz> errr, no
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1008 2011-01-12 20:18:47 <lfm> or owuld it be just mtgox?
1009 2011-01-12 20:19:29 <ArtForzZz> iirc it's over $1000/day for a single customer
1010 2011-01-12 20:19:57 <lfm> pretty sure its any single txn over 10000 here
1011 2011-01-12 20:20:10 <ArtForzZz> well, 10000 is > 1000, no?
1012 2011-01-12 20:20:18 <lfm> might be /day, dunno really
1013 2011-01-12 20:20:21 <ArtForzZz> also depends on countryx obviously
1014 2011-01-12 20:21:13 <newsham> money laundering
1015 2011-01-12 20:21:20 <lfm> ya
1016 2011-01-12 20:21:30 <ArtForzZz> yup
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1019 2011-01-12 20:24:40 <lyspooner> What's the lowest historical ratio of difficulty/BTCper$ since September?  ArtForzZz, you know?
1020 2011-01-12 20:24:50 <ArtForzZz> nope
1021 2011-01-12 20:25:05 <nevezen> can you run bitcoin with the same wallet.dat file on multiple computers?
1022 2011-01-12 20:25:13 <lyspooner> i mean $perBTC
1023 2011-01-12 20:25:39 <lfm> nevezen nope, you need different wallets on each system really
1024 2011-01-12 20:26:40 <nevezen> I'm looking at mining.bitcoin.cz..
1025 2011-01-12 20:26:45 <lfm> nevezen use mybitcoin.com if you want to access a balance from many places
1026 2011-01-12 20:27:05 <nevezen> so if I wanted to add a second worker, it has to be a different wallet.dat?
1027 2011-01-12 20:27:35 <lfm> just different address I think
1028 2011-01-12 20:28:03 <ArtForzZz> iirc you can have as many workers as you want on a single addr
1029 2011-01-12 20:28:07 <lfm> maybe can even be the same address. depending on the pool
1030 2011-01-12 20:28:11 <ArtForzZz> you just have to create a l/p for each one
1031 2011-01-12 20:28:51 <nevezen> l/p?
1032 2011-01-12 20:31:10 <ArtForzZz> login/password
1033 2011-01-12 20:31:22 * nevezen smacks head
1034 2011-01-12 20:33:27 <nevezen> OH, right. It's not an issue.. since I'm only using poclbm and it doesn't access wallet.dat..
1035 2011-01-12 20:33:38 <ArtForzZz> yep
1036 2011-01-12 20:33:59 <nevezen> that actually makes it very portable then
1037 2011-01-12 20:36:24 <tcatm> luke-jr: ping?
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1039 2011-01-12 20:36:55 <luke-jr> ?
1040 2011-01-12 20:37:09 <Diablo-D3> nevezen: why would it?
1041 2011-01-12 20:37:53 <lyspooner> tcatm, can you show me difficulty/$perBTC over time?  if you're not busy
1042 2011-01-12 20:38:18 <tcatm> luke-jr: query_form() fails on invalid queries (like ?foo)
1043 2011-01-12 20:38:24 <nevezen> I guess you can take poclbm and it's files, pack it onto a usb stick, and run it on any computer that has a supported GPU card.
1044 2011-01-12 20:38:31 <luke-jr> tcatm: as it should?
1045 2011-01-12 20:38:54 <nanotube> nevezen: yes you could.
1046 2011-01-12 20:39:10 <tcatm> luke-jr: mkay
1047 2011-01-12 20:39:39 <brocktice> nevezen: I guess you can take poclbm and it's files, pack it onto a rootkit, and run it on any computers in a botnet that have a supported GPU card.
1048 2011-01-12 20:39:58 <brocktice> but as I have said before, people would probably notice
1049 2011-01-12 20:40:02 <brocktice> due to the fan noise and heat
1050 2011-01-12 20:40:16 <nanotube> unless you throttle
1051 2011-01-12 20:40:28 <nanotube> 10% of 1000 gpus each is not bad either. :)
1052 2011-01-12 20:41:52 <nevezen> oh botnet.. even better. But that would be kind of illegal..
1053 2011-01-12 20:41:57 <midnightmagic> i have a vague notion it wouldn't be worth it, either.
1054 2011-01-12 20:43:24 <ArtForzZz> not to mention hard to pull off without being traceable
1055 2011-01-12 20:45:32 <nanotube> ArtForzZz: well, used with a mining pool... it'd only be traceable to your pool account, which in turn is only traceable to a bitcoin address (launderable) and an email address (single-purpose address established on a freemail provider). so not so hard, it seems.
1056 2011-01-12 20:45:58 <nanotube> i'm sure the day of a bitcoin-generating botnet is just around the corner. :)
1057 2011-01-12 20:46:01 <ArtForzZz> yep
1058 2011-01-12 20:47:40 <ArtForzZz> and that pool operatur surely wont notice # of connected nodes suddenly quintupling
1059 2011-01-12 20:47:45 <ArtForzZz> *# of connected miners
1060 2011-01-12 20:48:01 <sipa> i'm sure you can create a simple miner-multiplexer :)
1061 2011-01-12 20:48:06 <midnightmagic> it would have to operate for a sustained period of time, difficulty would scale up considerably, normal people would stop mining, people would be wondering who's mining all the coins..
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1063 2011-01-12 20:48:58 <ArtForzZz> should be fun to watch
1064 2011-01-12 20:49:02 <midnightmagic> and artforz would go track them down and shoot them in the head because his structured asics would suddenly be useless.
1065 2011-01-12 20:49:07 <nanotube> ArtForzZz: or starting own pool. all you need is an anonymous vps bought via bitcoins, to run your bitcoind.
1066 2011-01-12 20:49:12 <brocktice> on the contrary
1067 2011-01-12 20:49:23 <brocktice> There would be all the more demand for his ASICs
1068 2011-01-12 20:49:26 <ArtForzZz> oh, and dont forget secretly installing dev GPU drivers
1069 2011-01-12 20:49:59 <midnightmagic> they'd be cheating economically. nobody normal could ever compete.
1070 2011-01-12 20:50:01 <nanotube> heh well yea that too.
1071 2011-01-12 20:50:12 <midnightmagic> nor even art. :)
1072 2011-01-12 20:50:19 <ArtForzZz> I wouldnt be too sure
1073 2011-01-12 20:50:24 <brocktice> Part of the point of mining for bitcoins is to protect from things like that
1074 2011-01-12 20:50:24 <tcatm> lyspooner: there was a website somehwere that showed difficulty/block and you can get totalbc at block from http://blockexplorer.com/q/
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1080 2011-01-12 20:55:18 <midnightmagic> it would be tough to compete with a botnet, economically. it would require massive capital outlay, but the botnet owners have no capital outlay except for software deployment costs.
1081 2011-01-12 20:55:59 <nanotube> yea using other people's hardware and power is hard to beat, cost-wise. :)
1082 2011-01-12 20:56:03 <midnightmagic> it would be a bitcoin war of attrition, prices would drop as each undercut the other for incoming costs.
1083 2011-01-12 20:56:52 <ArtForzZz> well, try it
1084 2011-01-12 20:57:22 <midnightmagic> i'm not a blackhat.
1085 2011-01-12 20:57:26 <ArtForzZz> botnet operators tried to compete with with GPU clusters for s3 sim unlocking... not for long
1086 2011-01-12 20:57:52 <midnightmagic> ooOooo that sounds exciting. i never heard about that.
1087 2011-01-12 20:58:22 <nanotube> yea but can gpu clusters compete with botnet gpu clusters? :) once there are enough botted boxes with modern gpus and fresh drivers installed... it's not impossible.
1088 2011-01-12 20:58:40 <midnightmagic> it would be interesting, because not everyone has a good video card installed.
1089 2011-01-12 20:59:09 <ArtForzZz> I suspect there isnt much overlap between zombies and good gaming boxes
1090 2011-01-12 20:59:20 <midnightmagic> =]
1091 2011-01-12 20:59:33 <ArtForzZz> and pretty much nobody else has a decent GPU
1092 2011-01-12 21:00:32 <nanotube> i dunno, all those gamers downloading pirated infected games off piratebay.... :)
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1094 2011-01-12 21:00:47 <sipa> nice one!
1095 2011-01-12 21:00:58 <ArtForzZz> yep
1096 2011-01-12 21:01:15 <sipa> just find a nice new heavy game, infect it, share it on all torrent sites and seed like hell :)
1097 2011-01-12 21:01:19 <ArtForzZz> yet they magically dont get rooted too often
1098 2011-01-12 21:01:38 <sipa> of course, the botnet also causes you to seed the game on torrent sites again
1099 2011-01-12 21:02:22 <ArtForzZz> iirc theres already plenty botnets trying that
1100 2011-01-12 21:03:23 <tcatm> gavinandresen: ping?
1101 2011-01-12 21:03:41 <nevezen> grid computing services should pay you in bitcoins..
1102 2011-01-12 21:04:44 <ArtForzZz> btw, I wonder why no one built a OpenCL DES/LM cracker yet
1103 2011-01-12 21:05:18 <ArtForzZz> rough calcs say you should be able to get ~5Ghps out of a 5970
1104 2011-01-12 21:05:31 <Diablo-D3> ArtForzZz: because no one gives a shit
1105 2011-01-12 21:06:38 <ArtForzZz> actually it seems no one bothered to try bitslice DES on GPUs... weird
1106 2011-01-12 21:07:45 <ArtForzZz> you'd have to pull a few stunts to keep register usage low enough
1107 2011-01-12 21:07:59 <ArtForzZz> doesnt really look too hard though
1108 2011-01-12 21:08:07 <tcatm> gavinandresen: didn't crash running under GDB, but running normal I got this now: http://pastebin.com/2Bjfg5vm
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1119 2011-01-12 21:25:57 <tcatm> luke-jr: I modified your parseAmount to use X8 if no exponent is given
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1123 2011-01-12 21:36:15 <luke-jr> tcatm: that's a bug
1124 2011-01-12 21:36:34 <luke-jr> amount=5 means 0.00000005 BTC
1125 2011-01-12 21:36:52 <tcatm> You can use 5X0 = 0.00000005 BTC
1126 2011-01-12 21:37:10 <luke-jr> tcatm: or =5
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1128 2011-01-12 21:38:28 <luke-jr> tcatm: unless you want to change the spec to default to X8 for decimal and X4 for hexadecimal/tonal
1129 2011-01-12 21:38:39 <luke-jr> but that seems… ugly
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1133 2011-01-12 21:39:07 <tcatm> Any better idea how amount=3.14 could be parsed as 3.14 BTC while still allowing exponents?
1134 2011-01-12 21:39:19 <luke-jr> amount=3.14X8 should work fine
1135 2011-01-12 21:39:42 <sipa> as soon as you use a dot, it's X8 ?
1136 2011-01-12 21:39:47 <sipa> by default
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1138 2011-01-12 21:39:58 <luke-jr> sipa: that seems even worse >_<
1139 2011-01-12 21:46:01 <tcatm> so we'll assume X8 by default :)
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1150 2011-01-12 22:20:10 <tcatm> jgarzik: js-remote (integration branch) can now parse QR codes using this scheme: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Schema
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1153 2011-01-12 22:23:49 <Cusipzzz> is there a limit to the number of accounts created / addresses per wallet?
1154 2011-01-12 22:23:59 <tcatm> Cusipzzz: no
1155 2011-01-12 22:24:05 <Cusipzzz> tcatm: ty
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1159 2011-01-12 22:27:08 <Cusipzzz> i like having a fat wallet =) sadly not in coins
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1163 2011-01-12 22:41:16 <EvanR-work> Cusipzzz: i dont understand your idea about selling access to wallets
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1165 2011-01-12 22:41:42 <andrew12> keep forgetting about this channel
1166 2011-01-12 22:42:57 <EvanR-work> write it on your hand maybe
1167 2011-01-12 22:43:15 <andrew12> i can just add it to my autojoin
1168 2011-01-12 22:43:15 <andrew12> lol
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1172 2011-01-12 22:44:08 <edcba> tcatm: instead of specifying a multiplier in amount maybe a bitcoin scheme version should be used
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1174 2011-01-12 22:44:27 <edcba> ie use current COIN value for each version
1175 2011-01-12 22:44:51 <Cusipzzz> EvanR-work: ?
1176 2011-01-12 22:44:59 <EvanR-work> did i hear about this wrong
1177 2011-01-12 22:45:08 <edcba> so when/if COIN is rebased will just add some ?version = 2 or use bitcoin2:
1178 2011-01-12 22:45:26 <Cusipzzz> EvanR-work: you mean selling mybitcoin accounts stocked with diff denominations of coins ?
1179 2011-01-12 22:45:31 <EvanR-work> yes
1180 2011-01-12 22:45:41 <Cusipzzz> EvanR-work: the person buying still has to trust you not to spend them first, lol
1181 2011-01-12 22:45:46 <EvanR-work> ah
1182 2011-01-12 22:45:51 <EvanR-work> you give them the password basically
1183 2011-01-12 22:45:59 <Cusipzzz> but it's faster than waiting for confirms, etc
1184 2011-01-12 22:46:11 <Cusipzzz> yes, just give them credential to a 50BTC acocunt, for example
1185 2011-01-12 22:46:17 <EvanR-work> sounds a bit like giving someon an account number as payment ;)
1186 2011-01-12 22:46:44 <EvanR-work> to a bank
1187 2011-01-12 22:46:45 <Cusipzzz> exactly. receiver should change credentials or ship coins out asap
1188 2011-01-12 22:47:02 <Cusipzzz> but it's a possible solution to the BTC check or money order problem
1189 2011-01-12 22:47:29 <EvanR-work> whats the check or money order problem
1190 2011-01-12 22:47:43 <Keefe> or give them the private key for a bitcoin addr
1191 2011-01-12 22:48:03 <Keefe> can print just the 256-bit secret portion
1192 2011-01-12 22:48:08 <Keefe> as a QR code
1193 2011-01-12 22:48:16 <Cusipzzz> well, if you are not at a client, you can send mybitcoin credentials via email/phone/txt
1194 2011-01-12 22:48:33 <Cusipzzz> basically a mobile blank moeny order
1195 2011-01-12 22:48:44 <Cusipzzz> in BTCs
1196 2011-01-12 22:48:55 <nanotube> better be encrypted email. :P
1197 2011-01-12 22:49:13 <Cusipzzz> like i said, should change credential to account or ship out coins asap =)
1198 2011-01-12 22:49:20 <ArtForzZz> iirc you could compress it even more
1199 2011-01-12 22:49:56 <andrew12> hmm, how many bitcoins would I be able to get out of $2.84?
1200 2011-01-12 22:49:57 <ArtForzZz> use something like aes128 in CTR mode to create the random seed for a keypair
1201 2011-01-12 22:50:01 <Cusipzzz> or a mtgox account.
1202 2011-01-12 22:50:14 <ArtForzZz> now you only need to distribute 128 bits of aes key
1203 2011-01-12 22:50:29 <lyspooner> any recommendations for a non-computer-science intro to cryptography
1204 2011-01-12 22:50:42 <nanotube> lyspooner: wikipedia :)
1205 2011-01-12 22:50:43 <ArtForzZz> and yes, it pretty much IS like giving someone an account number for payment
1206 2011-01-12 22:50:55 <ArtForzZz> or more like, the whole account
1207 2011-01-12 22:50:57 <EvanR-work> andrew12: going to be tricky due to fees and premiums
1208 2011-01-12 22:51:03 <Cusipzzz> right, but with a mtgox or mybitcoin account, they don't need a client to redeem
1209 2011-01-12 22:51:11 <lyspooner> nanotube, ok little more than intro
1210 2011-01-12 22:51:15 <EvanR-work> andrew12: but you can haggle in #bitcoin-otc
1211 2011-01-12 22:51:37 <andrew12> I'll probably end up trying just $2.50 since that leave enough for any little fees
1212 2011-01-12 22:51:39 <ArtForzZz> yes, but that requires a central trusted authority
1213 2011-01-12 22:52:09 <Cusipzzz> agree, but not everyone is a shh-to their vps for bitcoind type :)
1214 2011-01-12 22:52:14 <EvanR-work> 2.5 * 3 = 7.5BTC ;)
1215 2011-01-12 22:52:15 <lyspooner> some book from the 80's or 90's before machines existed
1216 2011-01-12 22:52:16 <Cusipzzz> ssh*
1217 2011-01-12 22:52:19 <nanotube> andrew12: try coinpal, if you have paypal...
1218 2011-01-12 22:52:47 <andrew12> nanotube: thanks. only issue there is that it asks how much BTC i want, not how much PPUSD I have
1219 2011-01-12 22:52:58 <nanotube> ah hehe ic
1220 2011-01-12 22:53:12 <nanotube> email mndrix with a feature suggestion. :)
1221 2011-01-12 22:53:27 <Cusipzzz> lyspooner: Applied cryptography / Schneier
1222 2011-01-12 22:53:37 <andrew12> grrrr
1223 2011-01-12 22:53:47 <andrew12> need to make chrome open email links in gmail instead of outlook
1224 2011-01-12 22:53:58 <lyspooner> why all the zzz in this forum
1225 2011-01-12 22:54:06 <tcatm> edcba: well for now the scheme will do I hope
1226 2011-01-12 22:54:10 <lyspooner> thanks cusipzzz
1227 2011-01-12 22:54:24 <EvanR-work> andrew12: the rate is like 1/3 USD per btc, look at mtgox recent history
1228 2011-01-12 22:54:41 <EvanR-work> or read the coinpal details
1229 2011-01-12 22:55:03 <edcba> yes seems a scheme i could live with :)
1230 2011-01-12 22:56:55 <Keefe> ArtForzZz: well, you could use any word/phrase of any length and hash it with some algo to get a priv key. but it has to be something that can't be brute-forced quickly as it's not like a website password that has significant latency and usually protections against too many attmepts
1231 2011-01-12 22:57:56 <ArtForzZz> yep
1232 2011-01-12 22:58:10 <ArtForzZz> which is why I said random 128 bit key
1233 2011-01-12 22:58:21 <ArtForzZz> should be as strong as ecdsa256
1234 2011-01-12 22:58:27 <ArtForzZz> yet only half the length
1235 2011-01-12 22:59:02 <ArtForzZz> though for a 5 BTC "prepaid key", 64 bits would probably be plenty ;)
1236 2011-01-12 22:59:17 <Keefe> if you only need it to be safe for say 1 month...
1237 2011-01-12 23:00:21 <Cusipzzz> or maybe host a bunch of encrypted wallets on rapidshare/equivalent and send out keys as needed
1238 2011-01-12 23:00:31 <Keefe> ya, i wouldn't go less than 64 bit
1239 2011-01-12 23:01:13 <sipa> don't forget a relatively large part of the bitcoin community has access to some performant number-crunching hardware :)
1240 2011-01-12 23:01:21 <Cusipzzz> hahah, yes
1241 2011-01-12 23:01:23 <ArtForzZz> 64 bits is still a lot
1242 2011-01-12 23:01:24 <Keefe> accounted for
1243 2011-01-12 23:01:44 <ArtForzZz> especially if the power to crack the key costs more than the value of the BTC contained in said key
1244 2011-01-12 23:01:59 <Keefe> keep in mind how much btc can be generated by a cluster that could crack a 64bit key in a month :)
1245 2011-01-12 23:02:08 <ArtForzZz> yep
1246 2011-01-12 23:02:33 <sipa> 136GH/s = 2^64 hashes in 4 years
1247 2011-01-12 23:03:02 <ArtForzZz> dont forget ECDSA key calculation is kinda slow
1248 2011-01-12 23:03:14 <ArtForzZz> and last time I checked GPUs werent exactly well-suited for bigint math
1249 2011-01-12 23:03:39 <sipa> ok, i just made the very crude approximation that 122 sha256 would be the same order of magnitude
1250 2011-01-12 23:03:43 <sipa> *rounds
1251 2011-01-12 23:03:53 <ArtForzZz> could be, not 100% sure
1252 2011-01-12 23:04:15 <ArtForzZz> and of course you could derive the secret from PBKDF(some_random_bitstring, OVER 9000!!!!)
1253 2011-01-12 23:04:23 <sipa> loi
1254 2011-01-12 23:04:47 <sipa> http://xkcd.com/221/
1255 2011-01-12 23:05:38 <ArtForzZz> ahhh, sonys PRNG
1256 2011-01-12 23:05:48 <sipa> indeed :)
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1258 2011-01-12 23:10:22 <rachael> http://www.kodyaz.com/images/pics/random-number-generator-dilbert-comic.jpg , dilbert even visited one
1259 2011-01-12 23:13:00 <ArtForzZz> yep
1260 2011-01-12 23:13:14 <ArtForzZz> that's the "that doesn't look very random one", right?
1261 2011-01-12 23:13:26 <ArtForzZz> ahhh... yeah
1262 2011-01-12 23:13:33 <sipa> without looking, i assumed that too :)
1263 2011-01-12 23:13:48 <ArtForzZz> yeah, I guessed first :P
1264 2011-01-12 23:14:09 <sipa> oh it was a race
1265 2011-01-12 23:14:23 <ArtForzZz> no, I mean I also guessed before looking what it is :P
1266 2011-01-12 23:14:58 <sipa> as long as the encryption can't be broken with a 5% wrench, everything is ok :)
1267 2011-01-12 23:15:03 <ArtForzZz> btw, sony sued geohot for releasing the PS3 signing key ...
1268 2011-01-12 23:15:06 <sipa> 5$
1269 2011-01-12 23:16:09 <ArtForzZz> and on another note, I hope we don't get "you have to hand over encryption keys or get thrown in jail for contempt" laws here
1270 2011-01-12 23:16:34 <ArtForzZz> I actually DO have a HD full of purely random data here
1271 2011-01-12 23:16:57 <rachael> leave that one at home if you plan a uk trip
1272 2011-01-12 23:17:01 <ArtForzZz> it's output from a RNG I built
1273 2011-01-12 23:17:17 <edcba> we all know it's your encrypted fs
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1275 2011-01-12 23:17:27 <ArtForzZz> actually thats the other ~10TB
1276 2011-01-12 23:18:18 <ArtForzZz> problem is, prove that the single HD you can't provide a key for actually *isn't* encrypted
1277 2011-01-12 23:18:18 <newsham> sew-knee
1278 2011-01-12 23:18:41 <sipa> no no it *WAS* a plain old filesystem
1279 2011-01-12 23:18:52 <sipa> but he XOR'ed it with the output of his PRNG
1280 2011-01-12 23:19:03 <sipa> so, it's completely random now, right? :p
1281 2011-01-12 23:19:10 <ArtForzZz> yep
1282 2011-01-12 23:19:14 <ArtForzZz> RNG, not PRNG
1283 2011-01-12 23:19:26 <newsham> you sure it wasnt a diff filesystem XOR'ed against the output of your PRNG?
1284 2011-01-12 23:19:45 <ArtForzZz> thats the thing, I think it's every possible filesystem xored against the output of my RNG
1285 2011-01-12 23:20:00 <ArtForzZz> one time pads are weird that way
1286 2011-01-12 23:20:04 <sipa> oh, it's a non-deterministic RNG
1287 2011-01-12 23:20:08 <ArtForzZz> yep
1288 2011-01-12 23:20:22 <ArtForzZz> diode shot noise based
1289 2011-01-12 23:20:37 <newsham> if you are to believe schroedinger..
1290 2011-01-12 23:20:40 <donpdonp> how am i supposed to prove my RNG is functioning if its not predictable? :)
1291 2011-01-12 23:20:42 <ArtForzZz> so it's a QUANTUM RNG </marketroid>
1292 2011-01-12 23:21:06 * sipa thinks about http://xkcd.com/465/
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1294 2011-01-12 23:21:20 <ArtForzZz> well, you run statistical analysis and hope you arent really really unlucky
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1296 2011-01-12 23:22:47 <ArtForzZz> WHOA
1297 2011-01-12 23:22:51 <newsham> art: what if someone secretedly replaced your diode with a counter passing through AES?
1298 2011-01-12 23:22:55 <ArtForzZz> rofl
1299 2011-01-12 23:23:24 <sipa> you wouldn't be able to tell the difference
1300 2011-01-12 23:23:27 <ArtForzZz> yep
1301 2011-01-12 23:23:37 <sipa> and neither would someone investigating your hard drive
1302 2011-01-12 23:24:10 <ArtForzZz> there just was a small 'oops' outside
1303 2011-01-12 23:25:21 <ArtForzZz> bbl, this is probably gonna be fun to watch
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1306 2011-01-12 23:30:55 <andrew12> gribble's now considered awesome
1307 2011-01-12 23:30:57 <andrew12> base 10 2 1024
1308 2011-01-12 23:31:03 <andrew12> er
1309 2011-01-12 23:31:03 <andrew12> ;;base 10 2 1024
1310 2011-01-12 23:31:04 <gribble> 10000000000
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1313 2011-01-12 23:39:03 <newsham> ;;help base
1314 2011-01-12 23:39:04 <gribble> (base <fromBase> [<toBase>] <number>) -- Converts <number> from base <fromBase> to base <toBase>. If <toBase> is left out, it converts to decimal.
1315 2011-01-12 23:39:05 <sipa> ;;bc,calc 2120 1
1316 2011-01-12 23:39:07 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
1317 2011-01-12 23:39:09 <sipa> ;;bc,calcd 2120 1
1318 2011-01-12 23:39:10 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 2120 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 33 minutes and 45 seconds
1319 2011-01-12 23:39:36 <newsham> /msg lambdabot > showIntAtBase 2 intToDigit 1024 ""
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1322 2011-01-12 23:43:28 <ArtForzZz> yep, this was reasonably amusing
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1326 2011-01-12 23:46:43 <ArtForzZz> plowtruck slid off the road and was stuck for a few min
1327 2011-01-12 23:47:16 <newsham> that never happens here
1328 2011-01-12 23:48:20 <ArtForzZz> happens once every few years around here
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