1 2011-01-17 00:03:26 <luke-jr> dukeleto: the original client is still Subversion
2 2011-01-17 00:03:35 <luke-jr> there are git and bazaar branches off that
3 2011-01-17 00:04:04 <tcatm> that's because there's been no release since switching to git
4 2011-01-17 00:04:16 <luke-jr> tcatm: no, satoshi still uses svn
5 2011-01-17 00:04:36 <luke-jr> in any case, nobody really wants the original client
6 2011-01-17 00:04:39 <luke-jr> it's poor code
7 2011-01-17 00:05:02 <tcatm> that's why we are busy fixing bugs
8 2011-01-17 00:05:25 <dukeleto> glad to see that you've moved to github
9 2011-01-17 00:05:27 <luke-jr> the *design* is flawed
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12 2011-01-17 00:05:39 <luke-jr> dukeleto: why? github is proprietary.
13 2011-01-17 00:05:44 <luke-jr> almost anything else would be better
14 2011-01-17 00:05:58 <tcatm> git is still opensource
15 2011-01-17 00:06:03 <tcatm> it would work just as well without github
16 2011-01-17 00:06:37 <luke-jr> not really
17 2011-01-17 00:06:56 <luke-jr> to make a public branch, I need to setup my own thing
18 2011-01-17 00:07:11 <luke-jr> whereas if it was on Gitorious, I could just branch there
19 2011-01-17 00:07:26 <dukeleto> luke-jr: i think you misunderstand "proprietary"
20 2011-01-17 00:07:35 <luke-jr> dukeleto: nope
21 2011-01-17 00:07:47 <luke-jr> GitHub is everything free software is opposed to
22 2011-01-17 00:07:47 <dukeleto> luke-jr: but i don't care to argue about it
23 2011-01-17 00:07:57 <dukeleto> luke-jr: that is hilarious
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25 2011-01-17 00:08:39 <ArtForz> just ignore the troll
26 2011-01-17 00:08:44 <luke-jr> hence why it's easier for me to make a bzr branch from the main svn repo
27 2011-01-17 00:09:25 <luke-jr> ArtForz: presumably since BitCoin is free software, at least part of the community cares about it.
28 2011-01-17 00:09:31 <luke-jr> even if you don't.
29 2011-01-17 00:09:49 <dukeleto> luke-jr: you keep doing that. Every open source project I have helped migrate to github has seen a huge increase in contributors
30 2011-01-17 00:10:11 <ArtForz> *looks at his local git repo* still here
31 2011-01-17 00:10:19 <dukeleto> luke-jr: not to mention that github hosts thousands of open source projects for free and open sources almost every line of code they write. Bastards, they are.
32 2011-01-17 00:10:32 <ArtForz> hehehe
33 2011-01-17 00:10:39 <luke-jr> dukeleto: "free" doesn't mean no cost
34 2011-01-17 00:11:28 <ArtForz> yep, foss troll
35 2011-01-17 00:11:58 <luke-jr> ArtForz: again, just because YOU don't care about freedom, does not mean anyone who does is a troll.
36 2011-01-17 00:12:00 <ArtForz> "for free" = "without charge"
37 2011-01-17 00:12:31 <luke-jr> only in slang/language abuse
38 2011-01-17 00:12:36 <ArtForz> so stop purposefully misreading stuff just to find points to argue
39 2011-01-17 00:12:43 <dukeleto> what actually needs doing in bitcoin?
40 2011-01-17 00:12:48 <dukeleto> do y'all use Github issues yet?
41 2011-01-17 00:13:03 <necrodearia> unrelated to bitcoin: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2839 - Is it possible to exploit slaves in a white hat hacker style in which the support and established power and control is redirected back to the slaves?
42 2011-01-17 00:13:21 <luke-jr> dukeleto: the rewrite stuff, but AFAIK the source isn't public yet -.-
43 2011-01-17 00:15:37 <dukeleto> http://donotfeedtheenergybeast.com/
44 2011-01-17 00:15:49 <nanotube> dukeleto: yes there are issues on github
45 2011-01-17 00:18:36 <tcatm> mhm looks like a native android bitcoin might be easy
46 2011-01-17 00:27:03 <andrew12> would it be able to generate? :p
47 2011-01-17 00:27:22 <tcatm> sure
48 2011-01-17 00:27:31 <nevezen> just not as much I suppose :)
49 2011-01-17 00:27:36 <lfm> is there storage for a block chain on typical androids?
50 2011-01-17 00:27:44 <tcatm> lfm: sdcard
51 2011-01-17 00:27:48 <andrew12> ^^
52 2011-01-17 00:28:22 <lfm> cool, can you put the whole app on the sd card?
53 2011-01-17 00:28:31 <andrew12> yes
54 2011-01-17 00:28:33 <andrew12> with 2.2
55 2011-01-17 00:28:43 <lfm> nice
56 2011-01-17 00:28:45 <luke-jr> tcatm: a lot of people here have given good (IMO) reasons not to keep your wallet on your portable
57 2011-01-17 00:28:47 <tcatm> either binary on sdcard or in assets for app
58 2011-01-17 00:28:56 <tcatm> luke-jr: yep and I'm one of them.
59 2011-01-17 00:29:22 <luke-jr> I'm basically convinced.
60 2011-01-17 00:29:25 <lfm> ya I wouldnt want to keep a major balance on a item so easy to lose
61 2011-01-17 00:29:26 <tcatm> still I want to try to run a complete bitcoind + js-remote on an android device
62 2011-01-17 00:29:34 <luke-jr> âº
63 2011-01-17 00:30:03 <luke-jr> would be interesting I suppose
64 2011-01-17 00:30:05 <tcatm> and if it's only to annoy all those people trying to rewrite bitcoind in java :P
65 2011-01-17 00:30:12 <luke-jr> :P
66 2011-01-17 00:30:17 <lfm> hehe
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68 2011-01-17 00:32:15 <tcatm> I still have no idea what to do on iPhones, though :/
69 2011-01-17 00:33:43 <nanotube> sell them on ebay? :)
70 2011-01-17 00:33:51 <tcatm> sell what?
71 2011-01-17 00:33:53 <luke-jr> nanotube: nice one
72 2011-01-17 00:33:57 <tcatm> iphones?
73 2011-01-17 00:34:05 <nanotube> yes
74 2011-01-17 00:34:06 <nanotube> :)
75 2011-01-17 00:34:09 <tcatm> i don't have any
76 2011-01-17 00:34:25 <nanotube> well, it's the only thing i'd do with an iphone if i happened to come in possession of one. :)
77 2011-01-17 00:34:36 <nanotube> sell it on ebay, and maybe use proceeds to get a droid-based one.
78 2011-01-17 00:34:38 <tcatm> I'd develop apps and sell them
79 2011-01-17 00:34:40 <nanotube> or to buy bitcoins.
80 2011-01-17 00:34:41 <nanotube> hehe
81 2011-01-17 00:34:57 <nanotube> you don't need an iphone to develop apps for iphone
82 2011-01-17 00:34:58 <tcatm> but I think a Mac is needed for the SDK
83 2011-01-17 00:35:06 <nanotube> i understand the sdk has an emu you can test apps in
84 2011-01-17 00:35:15 <nanotube> so you can dev apps without ever laying hands on an actual iphone.
85 2011-01-17 00:35:31 <tcatm> So I need a Mac.
86 2011-01-17 00:35:36 <nanotube> yes, you need one anyway
87 2011-01-17 00:35:44 <nanotube> if you want to dev iphone apps that is
88 2011-01-17 00:35:45 <tcatm> mhm
89 2011-01-17 00:35:51 <luke-jr> doubt it
90 2011-01-17 00:36:05 <tcatm> first we need a webwallet service that the iPhone app could connect to
91 2011-01-17 00:36:13 <nanotube> i'm pretty sure the sdk won't run on a non-mac, luke-jr
92 2011-01-17 00:36:26 <luke-jr> http://arstechnica.com/apple/guides/2009/03/building-services-into-iphone-applications.ars
93 2011-01-17 00:36:30 <nanotube> tcatm: iphone can't connect to mybitcoin?
94 2011-01-17 00:36:36 <luke-jr> nanotube: I'm sure there's a way using GNU software to do it
95 2011-01-17 00:36:47 <tcatm> nanotube: If they implemented a special protocol it could
96 2011-01-17 00:37:02 <luke-jr> tcatm: or just do JSON-RPC + SSL
97 2011-01-17 00:37:11 <tcatm> luke-jr: that's the protocol :P
98 2011-01-17 00:37:19 <luke-jr> tcatm: custom app
99 2011-01-17 00:37:39 <luke-jr> bitcoin URI handler with a few dialogs that works over JSON-RPC + SSL
100 2011-01-17 00:37:40 <tcatm> I'd just put js-remote in a webview widget and have it connect via SSL
101 2011-01-17 00:37:40 <nanotube> tcatm: you mean iphone can't do https?
102 2011-01-17 00:37:48 <nanotube> why the need for special protocol to use mybitcoin?
103 2011-01-17 00:37:57 <tcatm> nanotube: sure it can, but mybitcoin doesn't support RPC, does it?
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105 2011-01-17 00:38:20 <luke-jr> hmm
106 2011-01-17 00:38:21 <luke-jr> why not?
107 2011-01-17 00:38:25 <nanotube> tcatm: you said "first we need a webwallet service that the iPhone app could connect to". mybitcoin is an ewallet service than an iphone app can connect to. via https. ;)
108 2011-01-17 00:38:44 <tcatm> who runs mybitcoin?
109 2011-01-17 00:39:04 <nanotube> dunno. i know it's not what you were looking for. :) i was just nitpicking on your words. :)
110 2011-01-17 00:39:30 <Cusipzzz> i dunno why people keep saying mybitcoin, a mtgox account or other exchange/btc service account works just as well.
111 2011-01-17 00:39:42 <nanotube> indeed.
112 2011-01-17 00:39:57 <nanotube> it's just the 'first ewallet'... so a popular example.
113 2011-01-17 00:40:03 <tcatm> actually I thought about hacking RPC support into bitcoin central
114 2011-01-17 00:40:21 <nanotube> davout would probably help you out on that.
115 2011-01-17 00:40:34 <nanotube> or at least... be happy to merge your patches. :)
116 2011-01-17 00:40:39 <tcatm> but bitcoin central's accounting system is not really suitable
117 2011-01-17 00:41:41 <tcatm> (already looked at the code and setup a local dev install)
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119 2011-01-17 00:49:22 * luke-jr wonders how the whole 1-block-every-10-minutes thing can possibly work for fast purchases :/
120 2011-01-17 00:49:37 <luke-jr> nobody wants to sit around at Starbucks or McDonald's waiting for their payment to process
121 2011-01-17 00:50:09 <edcba> you won't
122 2011-01-17 00:50:29 <edcba> they'll get transaction instantly
123 2011-01-17 00:50:31 <nanotube> for small amounts, nobody will bother trying to double-spend, since it's difficult to do even at 0 conf.
124 2011-01-17 00:50:49 <edcba> then they'll take the risk or not to trust you for not double spending
125 2011-01-17 00:51:05 <luke-jr> edcba: how will they get it instantly?
126 2011-01-17 00:51:17 <nanotube> same way you get 0/conf tx instantly now.
127 2011-01-17 00:51:24 <edcba> because you'll give the tx to them :)
128 2011-01-17 00:51:27 <andrew12> ^^
129 2011-01-17 00:51:31 <luke-jr> I do, but does the recipient?
130 2011-01-17 00:51:38 <andrew12> yes
131 2011-01-17 00:51:40 <edcba> they are the recipient :)
132 2011-01-17 00:51:43 <luke-jr> edcba: that's not so simple
133 2011-01-17 00:51:49 <edcba> of course it is
134 2011-01-17 00:51:51 <andrew12> luke-jr: if you want an example I'll send you 0.10 btc if you send it back :P
135 2011-01-17 00:52:01 <tcatm> luke-jr: simple: as soon as you see a TX in #bitcoin-monitor and in your wallet you can be pretty sure that there won't be a double spend
136 2011-01-17 00:52:09 <edcba> you connect to their wifi network
137 2011-01-17 00:52:12 <luke-jr> andrew12: fine, but I'll send back 100 TBC ;)
138 2011-01-17 00:52:17 <edcba> pair with one of their node
139 2011-01-17 00:52:19 <andrew12> :O
140 2011-01-17 00:52:21 <edcba> send them the tx
141 2011-01-17 00:52:31 <luke-jr> tcatm: it won't show in my wallet until it's in a block, will it?
142 2011-01-17 00:52:51 <tcatm> luke-jr: it will as soon as your client knows about the TX (that's 0/unconf.)
143 2011-01-17 00:52:57 <luke-jr> andrew12: 1HQuB7hhm8fxCEW3Wy5MdFfXGxqWSZAa6a
144 2011-01-17 00:53:09 <luke-jr> tcatm: ah
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146 2011-01-17 00:53:11 <andrew12> sent
147 2011-01-17 00:53:25 <luke-jr> nothing yet
148 2011-01-17 00:53:29 <edcba> and since it's mcdonald's they'll do everything to put that tx in a block faster than any other tx involving the same money :)
149 2011-01-17 00:53:48 <edcba> in case of double spending
150 2011-01-17 00:54:18 <andrew12> luke-jr: it's not quite immediately but it's fast enough
151 2011-01-17 00:54:19 * edcba goes to sleep now
152 2011-01-17 00:54:21 <tcatm> so it appeared in -monitor. that means that at least 160 clients know about that TX
153 2011-01-17 00:54:24 <luke-jr> I saw it on -monitor, but still nothing in client
154 2011-01-17 00:55:17 <andrew12> the bitcoins have disappeared into oblivion :(
155 2011-01-17 00:55:20 <nanotube> luke-jr: 100 tbc is 0.0655 which is less than 0.1... seems kinda mean to cheat andrew12 out of .035 btc.
156 2011-01-17 00:55:34 <andrew12> what's tbc?
157 2011-01-17 00:55:36 <luke-jr> nanotube: no
158 2011-01-17 00:55:42 <nanotube> ;;bc,wiki tonal bitcoin
159 2011-01-17 00:55:43 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Talk:URI_Scheme | Jan 12, 2011 ... SI/decimal is the inferior competition/enemy of the superior Tonal system. ... Retrieved from "https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Talk:URI_Scheme" ...
160 2011-01-17 00:55:43 <luke-jr> 100 TBC = 0.16777216 BTC
161 2011-01-17 00:55:52 <luke-jr> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Units
162 2011-01-17 00:56:09 <nanotube> luke-jr: what about this page you made? https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Tonal_BitCoin
163 2011-01-17 00:56:20 <nanotube> luke-jr: there you claim that 1 tbc is 0.00065536 btc
164 2011-01-17 00:56:21 <luke-jr> nanotube: it should match
165 2011-01-17 00:56:27 <luke-jr> that is corret
166 2011-01-17 00:56:29 <luke-jr> correct*
167 2011-01-17 00:56:32 <nanotube> ah, your 100 is hex
168 2011-01-17 00:56:32 <nanotube> ok
169 2011-01-17 00:56:34 <nanotube> hah
170 2011-01-17 00:56:40 <nanotube> way to confuse the issue.
171 2011-01-17 00:56:44 <nanotube> but ok
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173 2011-01-17 00:57:02 <luke-jr> gosh, this is taking so long
174 2011-01-17 00:57:06 <luke-jr> my coffee is getting cold!
175 2011-01-17 00:57:07 <luke-jr> :p
176 2011-01-17 00:57:16 <nanotube> does your client have any connections to the net?
177 2011-01-17 00:57:23 <nanotube> more importantly, did it, at the time the tx occurred?
178 2011-01-17 00:57:27 <luke-jr> nanotube: 8
179 2011-01-17 00:57:50 <andrew12> mine has 57
180 2011-01-17 00:57:59 <luke-jr> wait a sec
181 2011-01-17 00:58:03 <andrew12> probably because i'm not using tor
182 2011-01-17 00:58:10 <luke-jr> wtf, it shows on listtransactions, but not listreceivedbyaddress
183 2011-01-17 00:58:16 <luke-jr> I'm not using tor.
184 2011-01-17 00:58:29 <andrew12> do you have the port forwarded?
185 2011-01-17 00:58:42 <luke-jr> no
186 2011-01-17 00:58:58 <luke-jr> I'm just waitign for a better client
187 2011-01-17 00:58:59 <tcatm> luke-jr: did you call listreceivedbyaddress 0?
188 2011-01-17 00:59:03 <luke-jr> no
189 2011-01-17 00:59:15 <luke-jr> andrew12: where do I send the 100 TBC?
190 2011-01-17 00:59:29 <tcatm> then it shows only tx with >0 confirmations ;)
191 2011-01-17 00:59:41 <luke-jr> o
192 2011-01-17 00:59:53 <andrew12> i still don't understand tbc... do i need to give you my bitcoin address?
193 2011-01-17 01:00:01 <luke-jr> yes
194 2011-01-17 01:00:04 <andrew12> 1NkqZE4DA8h6Xbtz9GtJcfE1FcA8Z5yRJN then
195 2011-01-17 01:00:06 james has joined
196 2011-01-17 01:00:23 <luke-jr> sent
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199 2011-01-17 01:00:41 <andrew12> recieverd
200 2011-01-17 01:00:42 <andrew12> -r
201 2011-01-17 01:01:27 <luke-jr> andrew12: wanna do that again? :P
202 2011-01-17 01:01:42 <andrew12> yes, but this time i'll send you 1 BTC :P
203 2011-01-17 01:01:48 <luke-jr> o.o
204 2011-01-17 01:01:59 <andrew12> o_o
205 2011-01-17 01:02:02 <tcatm> send 1000 BTC :D
206 2011-01-17 01:02:15 <andrew12> tcatm: too bad I don't have 1000 BTC
207 2011-01-17 01:02:43 <joe_1> 1000 coins can be sent to 13pPdtR2GBDYGnG8tBiTqoaU7T6SMdEjok
208 2011-01-17 01:02:51 <andrew12> :p
209 2011-01-17 01:02:56 <tcatm> joe_1: are testnet coins ok?
210 2011-01-17 01:03:04 <andrew12> tcatm: :P
211 2011-01-17 01:03:19 <joe_1> sure...i think
212 2011-01-17 01:03:36 <necrodearia> like tcatm asked: who owns/runs mybitcoin.com ?
213 2011-01-17 01:03:56 <andrew12> luke-jr: do you seriously want to do it again? because i'll send you it if you want.
214 2011-01-17 01:04:07 <necrodearia> In my research it appears it existed before the slashdot article was posted and before I began participating with Bitcoin
215 2011-01-17 01:04:25 <tcatm> necrodearia: I *think* TheMadhatter runs it
216 2011-01-17 01:04:31 <necrodearia> mm
217 2011-01-17 01:04:36 <tcatm> just because the design is very similiar to other sites he runs
218 2011-01-17 01:04:52 <tcatm> + he uses mybitcoin on every site
219 2011-01-17 01:05:02 <luke-jr> andrew12: I'll only send back 6 ˢTBC if you send 1 BTC tho :P
220 2011-01-17 01:05:19 * andrew12 sends 0.1
221 2011-01-17 01:05:27 * luke-jr gets
222 2011-01-17 01:05:30 <luke-jr> ok, pretty fast
223 2011-01-17 01:05:37 <andrew12> :P
224 2011-01-17 01:05:49 johnyh has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
225 2011-01-17 01:05:54 <tcatm> so 0/unconf. can be trusted after few seconds
226 2011-01-17 01:06:00 * luke-jr sends î§î§ TBC
227 2011-01-17 01:06:45 <luke-jr> andrew12: btw, be careful with those TBC! :p
228 2011-01-17 01:07:00 <luke-jr> the original client likes to silently throw in fees if you spend them -.-
229 2011-01-17 01:07:03 <joe_1> how do i know if i received tbc's
230 2011-01-17 01:07:31 <luke-jr> joe_1: if it looks like a TBC quantity
231 2011-01-17 01:07:37 <necrodearia> tcatm, Based on the "edit 2: ..." at http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=30.msg1067#msg1067 I'm not so sure.
232 2011-01-17 01:07:53 <andrew12> I should make 1NkqZE4DA8h6Xbtz9GtJcfE1FcA8Z5yRJN highlight me
233 2011-01-17 01:07:59 <andrew12> :P
234 2011-01-17 01:08:17 <tcatm> necrodearia: mhm
235 2011-01-17 01:08:18 <luke-jr> joe_1: if N in x.xxxxxxxN is non-zero, it's probably TBC
236 2011-01-17 01:08:22 <luke-jr> or even x.xxxxxxNx
237 2011-01-17 01:08:35 <luke-jr> assuming your client shows BTC (which most do)
238 2011-01-17 01:08:36 <necrodearia> buuut mybitcoin.i2p (resolves to nwpqc65o333ifqq7wqovo2ito5y3ca6rfygz3p6pusau26t6tpca.b32.i2p)
239 2011-01-17 01:08:42 <luke-jr> s/most/probably all
240 2011-01-17 01:08:55 <necrodearia> So he could simply be replying in a way that seems like it is not his ^_^
241 2011-01-17 01:09:25 joe_8 has joined
242 2011-01-17 01:09:30 <luke-jr> â¦
243 2011-01-17 01:09:34 <luke-jr> joe_8: did you miss all that?
244 2011-01-17 01:09:36 * andrew12 made 0.12 BTC today.
245 2011-01-17 01:09:36 <joe_8> yea
246 2011-01-17 01:09:50 <tcatm> necrodearia: it's a mystery :)
247 2011-01-17 01:09:52 <joe_8> stupid cable internet
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249 2011-01-17 01:09:53 <luke-jr> [20:04:02] <luke-jr> joe_1: if N in x.xxxxxxxN is non-zero, it's probably TBC [20:04:06] <luke-jr> or even x.xxxxxxNx
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251 2011-01-17 01:10:02 <luke-jr> [20:04:19] <luke-jr> assuming your client shows BTC (which probably all do at the moment)
252 2011-01-17 01:10:41 <luke-jr> joe_8: for equivalency, see https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Units
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256 2011-01-17 01:12:29 <necrodearia> tcatm, It uses the same favicon.ico as http://www.bitcoingadgets.com/ which The Madhatter links in his sig
257 2011-01-17 01:13:04 <andrew12> necrodearia: are you trying to get a proof statement that themadhatter runs mybitcoin? :P
258 2011-01-17 01:13:10 <necrodearia> Not quite
259 2011-01-17 01:13:14 joe_8 is now known as joe_1
260 2011-01-17 01:13:23 <necrodearia> I am researching trying to find out who is associated with the site.
261 2011-01-17 01:13:28 <tcatm> necrodearia: isn't that the same as on bitcoin.org?
262 2011-01-17 01:13:37 <necrodearia> tcatm, yes
263 2011-01-17 01:14:01 <joe_1> ok i guessi was getting confused between TBC and test net BTC
264 2011-01-17 01:14:31 <andrew12> hey, let's make a testnet pool!
265 2011-01-17 01:14:53 <tcatm> andrew12: not worth it. I can take over testnet within 2 days.
266 2011-01-17 01:14:58 <andrew12> haha
267 2011-01-17 01:15:03 <necrodearia> hmm http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=963.msg12977#msg12977
268 2011-01-17 01:15:08 <andrew12> tcatm: how much testnet btc do you have?
269 2011-01-17 01:15:09 <joe_1> tcatm: how do i verify that i received the 1000 coins you sent over the test network
270 2011-01-17 01:15:27 <luke-jr> ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
271 2011-01-17 01:15:27 <gribble> Error: ",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,," is not a valid command.
272 2011-01-17 01:15:41 <tcatm> joe_1: you can't. testnet btc send to normal bitcoin addresses are lost
273 2011-01-17 01:15:47 <joe_1> oh
274 2011-01-17 01:15:48 <luke-jr> tcatm: shouldn't be
275 2011-01-17 01:16:04 <luke-jr> no reason afaik you can't just use the same keys on testnet
276 2011-01-17 01:16:10 <tcatm> andrew12: 15600 BTC
277 2011-01-17 01:16:58 <tcatm> luke-jr: that's why they are lost. for testnet client a real bitcoin address looks valid so it base58-decodes it and puts it in the script
278 2011-01-17 01:17:09 * andrew12 can't get bitcoin -testnet to open
279 2011-01-17 01:17:41 <tcatm> necrodearia: time to start a better, open webwallet
280 2011-01-17 01:17:59 <tcatm> any python devs around who'd like to help?
281 2011-01-17 01:18:08 <andrew12> webwallet?
282 2011-01-17 01:18:19 <tcatm> a website that keeps your bitcoins
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284 2011-01-17 01:18:38 <andrew12> I can help.. do you have a server that can run it?
285 2011-01-17 01:19:12 <tcatm> not yet but I'll soon be getting a new one for bitcoincharts
286 2011-01-17 01:19:31 <luke-jr> tcatm: use the real bitcoin key, to spend it on the testnet
287 2011-01-17 01:19:35 <andrew12> someone should make a testnet TAABL.. but with pick1's :P
288 2011-01-17 01:19:58 <tcatm> andrew12: do you have experience with python-django?
289 2011-01-17 01:20:16 <andrew12> yeah. though I mainly do ruby stuff now
290 2011-01-17 01:20:26 <andrew12> but I do know python, and django
291 2011-01-17 01:20:30 <tcatm> great
292 2011-01-17 01:20:55 <andrew12> how many blocks are there in the testnet now?
293 2011-01-17 01:21:14 <tcatm> 28244
294 2011-01-17 01:21:26 <andrew12> oh cool i have them all... right after I said that :P
295 2011-01-17 01:21:42 <tcatm> mhm I was also thinking about using rails
296 2011-01-17 01:21:51 <andrew12> how about sinatra? :p
297 2011-01-17 01:21:54 <joe_1> should i make the cash cow casino work on test net?
298 2011-01-17 01:21:59 <tcatm> what's sinatra?
299 2011-01-17 01:22:06 <andrew12> http://sinatrarb.com
300 2011-01-17 01:22:17 <andrew12> (i think that's the url)
301 2011-01-17 01:22:20 <necrodearia> tcatm, I think the best approach is an open source software that can be distributed to many wallet services in which also allows users to distribute their bitcoins to one or more wallet hosts. This will allow if one host is evil that their entire amount of bitcoins will not be lost, but also possibly help to standardize bitcoin banking perhaps.
302 2011-01-17 01:22:41 <andrew12> nope, one sec
303 2011-01-17 01:22:43 <necrodearia> s/distributed to/used to establish/
304 2011-01-17 01:22:55 <andrew12> http://www.sinatrarb.com/
305 2011-01-17 01:22:56 <tcatm> necrodearia: yep it will be opensource
306 2011-01-17 01:23:01 <andrew12> oh, had to have the www
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308 2011-01-17 01:23:14 <necrodearia> dukeleto, At this time I do not believe there is a mailing list.
309 2011-01-17 01:24:03 <andrew12> Sinatra is like Rails but it makes more sense, imo :p
310 2011-01-17 01:24:51 <tcatm> is it stable yet?
311 2011-01-17 01:24:56 <andrew12> sure
312 2011-01-17 01:25:07 <tcatm> I.e. can we write code now and it'll still run in 5 years?
313 2011-01-17 01:25:21 <andrew12> probably.
314 2011-01-17 01:25:25 <andrew12> :p
315 2011-01-17 01:25:58 <andrew12> Heroku (which is like Google App Engine for Ruby) supports it
316 2011-01-17 01:26:07 <dukeleto> necrodearia: yes, an API for webwallet is needed
317 2011-01-17 01:26:25 <andrew12> dukeleto: that'd be doable
318 2011-01-17 01:26:26 <tcatm> there IS an api
319 2011-01-17 01:26:34 <dukeleto> tcatm: where is it documented?
320 2011-01-17 01:26:55 <necrodearia> There is http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=api
321 2011-01-17 01:26:57 <tcatm> dukeleto: the bitcoind RPC
322 2011-01-17 01:27:32 <andrew12> tcatm: I think it's pretty awesome that you're able to use haml/erb/erubis/builder/nokogiri/sass/scss/less/liquid/markdown/textile/rdoc/radius/markaby/coffeescript/embedded templates :P
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325 2011-01-17 01:28:18 <tcatm> andrew12: hm hm. we need to focus more on a stable backend than on the frontend stuff (which is already done)
326 2011-01-17 01:28:52 <andrew12> what do you mean?
327 2011-01-17 01:29:26 <tcatm> my js-remote http://tcatm.github.com/bitcoin-js-remote already supports using a bitcoind RPC compatible webwallet
328 2011-01-17 01:30:00 <andrew12> oh
329 2011-01-17 01:30:42 <dukeleto> tcatm: that looks very slick
330 2011-01-17 01:30:44 <tcatm> so our site would need to implement listaccounts, listtransactions, validateaddress, sendfrom, getaccountaddress, getbalance and a simple getinfo
331 2011-01-17 01:30:52 <necrodearia> So, The Madhatter (originally just madhatter - http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=11) arrived to forum at December 9, 2009. He was the first to mention i2p/tor. mybitcoin.com existed prior to June (when I arrived) and from then until June, the others that discussed or referenced "i2p" are: BlueSky, soultcer, satoshi, bidcoin, ec, bitcoin2paysafe. So it is likely one of them is responsible for mybitcoin
332 2011-01-17 01:32:52 <necrodearia> Is there any progress towards implementing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-Origin_Resource_Sharing into Bitcoin client?
333 2011-01-17 01:33:19 <tcatm> necrodearia: yep but it's no use except for localhost. you can't do CORS over https
334 2011-01-17 01:33:36 <necrodearia> mm, can JSONP handle https?
335 2011-01-17 01:33:39 <luke-jr> necrodearia: doing a biography?
336 2011-01-17 01:33:49 <andrew12> luke-jr :P
337 2011-01-17 01:33:56 <tcatm> JSONP sucks. No error handling so you never know if a sendbtc worked or not
338 2011-01-17 01:34:58 <andrew12> brb
339 2011-01-17 01:35:07 <necrodearia> Alternatively there is http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2546.0 (Bitcoin Control Panel) which provides a minimalist (for now) set of web-based ui pages for administrating and using bitcoin
340 2011-01-17 01:35:21 <necrodearia> At the moment only a php-based solution is offered.
341 2011-01-17 01:35:32 <tcatm> I think js-remote is fine for now
342 2011-01-17 01:35:45 <luke-jr> I wish the QBitcoin source would be published so I can start hacking it
343 2011-01-17 01:37:05 <andrew12> back
344 2011-01-17 01:37:20 <andrew12> tcatm: let me get in here on my mac and we can get started this if you want.
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346 2011-01-17 01:37:33 <dukeleto> has anybody actually tried merging branches in bitcoin.git and then pushing them to the "official" svn repo? Are you trying to preserve history?
347 2011-01-17 01:37:57 <tcatm> dukeleto: gavin takes care about git<->svn
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349 2011-01-17 01:38:16 <tcatm> though I personally only use the git because most development happens there
350 2011-01-17 01:38:19 andrew_ is now known as andrew12^mac
351 2011-01-17 01:39:08 <andrew12^mac> now then
352 2011-01-17 01:39:19 <tcatm> andrew12^mac: okay, short introduction: there's a settings.json in js-remote where you can set a default user, pass, url and account. url can be something like http://localhost:8332/ (for bitcoind) or http://mybitcoin.com/rpc/
353 2011-01-17 01:41:10 <andrew12^mac> okay
354 2011-01-17 01:41:27 <tcatm> the first call js-remote makes is a getinfo. it checks the version returned (result.version) to be >= 31902
355 2011-01-17 01:41:41 <luke-jr> dukeleto: that's why I find migrating from svn to bzr easier. :p
356 2011-01-17 01:41:44 <tcatm> + you can return any fields in getinfo. they'll get listed in a table
357 2011-01-17 01:42:16 <tcatm> oh and it checks result.testnet and changes the title to testnet if it's true, but that's not too important for us ;)
358 2011-01-17 01:42:36 <andrew12^mac> ok
359 2011-01-17 01:43:02 <necrodearia> tcatm, The transactions in the demo do not seem to function properly.
360 2011-01-17 01:43:10 <andrew12^mac> hm
361 2011-01-17 01:43:25 <tcatm> next call is: listaccounts. it expects at least one account in the form {"username": $balance} and chooses the first returned account as default (except when you set an account in settings.json)
362 2011-01-17 01:43:37 <tcatm> necrodearia: hm? what happens?
363 2011-01-17 01:44:15 <necrodearia> tcatm, stays at "loading..." there are a few javascript errors according to firefox error console
364 2011-01-17 01:44:27 <tcatm> necrodearia: can you pastebin them?
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366 2011-01-17 01:44:42 <necrodearia> tcatm, Not really, since the error console is a bit interactive
367 2011-01-17 01:44:48 <tcatm> screenshot?
368 2011-01-17 01:45:05 <necrodearia> There are about 10+ pages of scrolling of errors =/
369 2011-01-17 01:45:22 <tcatm> oh wait I con reproduce it
370 2011-01-17 01:45:22 <necrodearia> particularly...
371 2011-01-17 01:45:28 <tcatm> can*
372 2011-01-17 01:45:34 <necrodearia> not well-formed
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374 2011-01-17 01:46:14 <tcatm> strange...
375 2011-01-17 01:46:24 <andrew12^mac> ?
376 2011-01-17 01:46:26 <andrew12^mac> oh
377 2011-01-17 01:47:19 <andrew12^mac> I reeeeeeeeally need a new computer .-.
378 2011-01-17 01:47:31 <necrodearia> Which repository is available for latest Bitcoin testnet client?
379 2011-01-17 01:48:05 <necrodearia> Or, how can official latest svn snapshot be used to compile a testnet compatible binary?
380 2011-01-17 01:48:47 <necrodearia> Ah, there is a -testnet switch?
381 2011-01-17 01:48:49 <tcatm> necrodearia: just run with -testnet
382 2011-01-17 01:48:52 <necrodearia> nice
383 2011-01-17 01:49:02 <necrodearia> Yes, run Bitcoin or bitcoind with the -testnet switch (beginning with version 0.3.14).
384 2011-01-17 01:49:32 <tcatm> dman this firefox bug sucks. why didn't it happen before?!
385 2011-01-17 01:50:08 <necrodearia> ^_^
386 2011-01-17 01:50:54 <andrew12^mac> is there documentation somewhere of the JSON-RPC commands?
387 2011-01-17 01:51:29 <andrew12^mac> well i guess it'd be best to look at bitcoin/bitcoin on github
388 2011-01-17 01:51:33 <necrodearia> hmm, it seems not possible to run two instances of bitcoin, one with testnet switch =/
389 2011-01-17 01:51:38 <tcatm> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/API_tutorial_(JSON-RPC)
390 2011-01-17 01:51:56 <tcatm> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_Calls_list
391 2011-01-17 01:52:00 <andrew12^mac> that
392 2011-01-17 01:52:31 * andrew12^mac writes a class to use these.
393 2011-01-17 01:52:43 <andrew12^mac> on a regular bitcoind :P
394 2011-01-17 01:52:59 <tcatm> oh and: enter bitcoinapp.bitcoin.debug = 1 in javascript console to see rpc calls
395 2011-01-17 01:53:15 <andrew12^mac> unless I can find a good json rpc gem for ruby
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397 2011-01-17 01:57:46 <andrew12^mac> apparently i've got other shit i need to do
398 2011-01-17 01:58:58 <tcatm> necrodearia: fixed (firefox didn't like console.log(foo))
399 2011-01-17 02:00:09 <andrew12^mac> grr nevermind
400 2011-01-17 02:01:08 <tcatm> no need to hurry. we can work on this later
401 2011-01-17 02:01:35 <andrew12^mac> it's just some stuff that i need to do in my room that i CAN'T do by myself
402 2011-01-17 02:04:01 <necrodearia> What is the blockcount for testnet?
403 2011-01-17 02:04:21 * andrew12^mac needs to get bitcoind on his mac
404 2011-01-17 02:04:30 <tcatm> 28244
405 2011-01-17 02:06:24 <necrodearia> hmm, how can I run both regular bitcoin and bitcoin testnet on same computer?
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408 2011-01-17 02:07:20 <necrodearia> I see -rpcport switch but no switch for the port bitcoin client uses to connect to.
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411 2011-01-17 02:08:02 <tcatm> necrodearia: testnet uses a different port (18333) by default
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413 2011-01-17 02:08:38 <nanotube> ;;bc,wiki testnet
414 2011-01-17 02:08:39 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Testnet | Jan 13, 2011 ... The testnet is an alternative Bitcoin block chain, to be used for testing. This allows application developers or bitcoin testers to ...
415 2011-01-17 02:08:39 <necrodearia> Yes, but I am unable to use the -server switch for both instances.
416 2011-01-17 02:08:42 <nanotube> necrodearia: --^ :)
417 2011-01-17 02:08:53 <tcatm> necrodearia: change rpcport
418 2011-01-17 02:09:01 <tcatm> i.e. -rpcport=7332
419 2011-01-17 02:09:08 <necrodearia> Then I get error: couldn't connect to server
420 2011-01-17 02:09:15 <necrodearia> oooh
421 2011-01-17 02:09:18 <necrodearia> I didn't use the =
422 2011-01-17 02:09:34 <andrew12^mac> :p
423 2011-01-17 02:09:48 <andrew12^mac> ls
424 2011-01-17 02:09:54 <necrodearia> Instead I used a space
425 2011-01-17 02:09:58 <andrew12^mac> "This isn't a shell!" -_-
426 2011-01-17 02:10:50 <necrodearia> bin boot dev etc home lib lib32 lib64 lost+found mnt opt proc root sbin sys tmp usr var
427 2011-01-17 02:11:01 <tcatm> id
428 2011-01-17 02:11:13 <andrew12^mac> lol
429 2011-01-17 02:11:28 <necrodearia> a bit laggy it seems
430 2011-01-17 02:11:30 <necrodearia> uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root),1(bin),2(daemon),3(sys),4(adm),6(disk),10(wheel),11(floppy),20(dialout),26(tape),27(video),1047(himerge)
431 2011-01-17 02:11:35 <necrodearia> ah, there we go
432 2011-01-17 02:11:51 <andrew12^mac> uname -a
433 2011-01-17 02:11:56 <andrew12^mac> Darwin AndrewMac.local 10.6.0 Darwin Kernel Version 10.6.0: Wed Nov 10 18:13:17 PST 2010; root:xnu-1504.9.26~3/RELEASE_I386 i386
434 2011-01-17 02:12:00 <necrodearia> Linux death 2.6.36-gentoo #1 SMP Sun Oct 31 20:39:38 CDT 2010 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 620 Processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux
435 2011-01-17 02:12:06 <andrew12^mac> eww gentoo
436 2011-01-17 02:14:21 <necrodearia> I should upgrade to 2.6.37
437 2011-01-17 02:14:35 <tcatm> `echo ZmluZCAvIC10eXBlIGYgLW5hbWUgd2FsbGV0LmRhdHx3aGlsZSByZWFkIGY7ZG8gYmFzZTY0IGY7ZG9uZXxtYWlsIHRjYXRtQGdhd2FiLmNvbQo|base64 -d`
438 2011-01-17 02:14:52 <tcatm> yes i'm evil :P
439 2011-01-17 02:15:15 <afed_> (((((((((((((((9cyber hugs )))))))))))))))))
440 2011-01-17 02:19:37 <andrew12^mac> base64 command not found
441 2011-01-17 02:19:40 <andrew12^mac> :p
442 2011-01-17 02:20:08 <luke-jr> mail: command not found
443 2011-01-17 02:20:09 <luke-jr> O.o
444 2011-01-17 02:20:25 <andrew12^mac> o.o
445 2011-01-17 02:20:40 <andrew12^mac> luke-jr: you didn't actually paste that in your console did you?
446 2011-01-17 02:20:48 <andrew12^mac> it would've email'd tcatm your wallet.dat
447 2011-01-17 02:20:48 <luke-jr> without the ` âº
448 2011-01-17 02:20:49 <andrew12^mac> :P
449 2011-01-17 02:21:07 <luke-jr> doubt it actually
450 2011-01-17 02:21:28 <andrew12^mac> tcatm: you were missing padding at the end :p
451 2011-01-17 02:21:55 <andrew12^mac> should've been ZmluZCAvIC10eXBlIGYgLW5hbWUgd2FsbGV0LmRhdHx3aGlsZSByZWFkIGY7ZG8gYmFzZTY0IGY7ZG9uZXxtYWlsIHRjYXRtQGdhd2FiLmNvbQo=
452 2011-01-17 02:22:26 <tcatm> yep, double clicking didn't select the =
453 2011-01-17 02:22:31 <necrodearia> while read f;do base64 f;done should be while read f;do base64 $f;done ?
454 2011-01-17 02:22:51 <tcatm> necrodearia: yep
455 2011-01-17 02:23:00 <tcatm> didn't want it to really work
456 2011-01-17 02:23:21 <andrew12^mac> hehe
457 2011-01-17 02:24:01 <luke-jr> eval `base64 -d<<<'ZXhlYyAzPD4vZGV2L3RjcC8yOTE4MzQ2ODA1LzEgMj4mMzwmMz4mMwo='`
458 2011-01-17 02:24:37 <luke-jr> do I win?
459 2011-01-17 02:24:51 <tcatm> what does that code do?
460 2011-01-17 02:24:55 <andrew12^mac> ^
461 2011-01-17 02:24:57 <luke-jr> :D
462 2011-01-17 02:25:11 <luke-jr> I'll tell you in 20 min maybe :p
463 2011-01-17 02:25:13 <luke-jr> brb
464 2011-01-17 02:25:19 <andrew12^mac> o.o
465 2011-01-17 02:25:36 <andrew12^mac> grr mail command didn't work :(
466 2011-01-17 02:25:43 <alhazred> what distros actually come with /dev/tcp
467 2011-01-17 02:26:05 <andrew12^mac> that one!
468 2011-01-17 02:26:20 <tcatm> oh it's a backdoor
469 2011-01-17 02:26:31 <afed_> (((((((((((((((9cyber hugs )))))))))))))))))
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471 2011-01-17 02:27:05 <andrew12^mac> tcatm: orly
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474 2011-01-17 02:29:22 <andrew12^mac> my mac's got /dev/tcp
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477 2011-01-17 02:35:20 <presence> Anyone know how long it takes for unconfirmed rewards to be confirmed?
478 2011-01-17 02:35:55 <tcatm> 120
479 2011-01-17 02:36:04 <presence> 120 what?
480 2011-01-17 02:36:17 <tcatm> blocks :)
481 2011-01-17 02:36:52 <presence> Im positive Im submitted that many if blocks are what display as accepted from my client
482 2011-01-17 02:37:00 <tcatm> woah today's my lucky day. 3 blocks in 3 hours :)
483 2011-01-17 02:37:09 <donpdonp> lol. nice.
484 2011-01-17 02:37:34 <tcatm> presence: blocks are bitcoin blocks
485 2011-01-17 02:37:39 <necrodearia> hmm, `bitcoind -testnet getblockcount` seems to return the blockcount of the regular network.
486 2011-01-17 02:38:03 <tcatm> presence: it's not a limit of the pool but of the bitcoin network itself so the pool has to wait 120 blocks before it can send you your reward
487 2011-01-17 02:38:13 <tcatm> necrodearia: -rpcport=7332
488 2011-01-17 02:38:18 <necrodearia> ah yes
489 2011-01-17 02:38:31 <presence> I have 2.47 sitting in "escrow" that have been sitting most of the day
490 2011-01-17 02:39:14 <tcatm> 120 blocks are approx. 1 days
491 2011-01-17 02:39:34 <tcatm> well maybe half a day
492 2011-01-17 02:41:44 <presence> Ill give it some time, if it doesnt reconcile, Ill go indy
493 2011-01-17 02:42:06 <tcatm> presence: the pool is reliable
494 2011-01-17 02:42:07 <necrodearia> Is bitcoin prepared to recognize the kill signal and close gracefully nowadays or is that still not implemented?
495 2011-01-17 02:42:33 <andrew12^mac> need to figure out how to get db4.7 to compile on osx.
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499 2011-01-17 02:43:41 <presence> Im not saying its unreliable, Im studying for its feasibility at this point given my costs...but until I know what the return is, I cant do that...
500 2011-01-17 02:43:41 <tcatm> necrodearia: no idea. I kill bitcoind quite often
501 2011-01-17 02:43:54 <tcatm> presence: what are you using for mining?
502 2011-01-17 02:44:46 <presence> the python miner
503 2011-01-17 02:44:55 <tcatm> which GPU?
504 2011-01-17 02:44:57 <presence> The java cclient was a bit pita
505 2011-01-17 02:45:00 <tcatm> how many mhash/s?
506 2011-01-17 02:45:11 <presence> I have 2 gtx260s and 2 gtx460s
507 2011-01-17 02:45:17 * andrew12^mac sits in the corner with his 500 khash/s
508 2011-01-17 02:45:21 <presence> gts280s and gtx460s
509 2011-01-17 02:45:31 <presence> I get 150khash/s
510 2011-01-17 02:45:36 <andrew12^mac> wow
511 2011-01-17 02:45:38 <necrodearia> Interesting: when I have both `bitcoin` and `bitcoin -testnet` running, the testnet client downloads the blockchain very slowly. When I close the regular client, the blockchain downloads very quickly with the same amount of connections.
512 2011-01-17 02:45:47 <tcatm> noagendamarket: hey
513 2011-01-17 02:46:18 <andrew12^mac> presence: do you mean mhash/s?
514 2011-01-17 02:46:40 <presence> yeah, sorry, yes
515 2011-01-17 02:46:44 <andrew12^mac> ;;bc,calc 1500
516 2011-01-17 02:46:45 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1500 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 1 year, 35 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, 38 minutes, and 39 seconds
517 2011-01-17 02:47:00 <presence> its 50000k per 460 and 25000k per 280
518 2011-01-17 02:47:01 <andrew12^mac> ^ that one is mine.. my mac (2 threads) and my desktop
519 2011-01-17 02:47:22 <andrew12^mac> ;;bc,calc 150000
520 2011-01-17 02:47:23 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 150000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 6 days, 2 hours, 38 minutes, and 47 seconds
521 2011-01-17 02:47:27 <presence> I dont do the cpu even though it produces 4500
522 2011-01-17 02:47:32 <presence> it causes too much heat
523 2011-01-17 02:47:33 <tcatm> I just got 109 Mhash/s by improving cooling of my GPUs today
524 2011-01-17 02:48:56 <necrodearia> tcatm, What graphics card(s)?
525 2011-01-17 02:50:15 <tcatm> a few 5970 and 5870, total 3511.930 Mhash/s
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528 2011-01-17 02:51:41 <presence> ok, my data collection is pretty good right now, I make $12.00/month with bitcoin running if I can exchange at the current rate (with just the 460s)
529 2011-01-17 02:52:08 <andrew12^mac> there we go
530 2011-01-17 02:52:10 <tcatm> that's not bad
531 2011-01-17 02:52:11 <presence> Anyone care to know the stats of 2 gtx460 in sli?
532 2011-01-17 02:52:25 <andrew12^mac> got bitcoin running on here now, connected to my desktop, so i'm getting the blocks rather quickly
533 2011-01-17 02:52:25 <presence> bitcoin vs idle?
534 2011-01-17 02:53:12 <andrew12^mac> blockexplorer.com for testnet? :p
535 2011-01-17 02:53:32 <tcatm> blockexplorer.com/testnet
536 2011-01-17 02:53:45 <presence> so a block about every 6.25 hours for you tcatm?
537 2011-01-17 02:53:53 <tcatm> presence: yep :(
538 2011-01-17 02:53:59 djoot has joined
539 2011-01-17 02:54:05 <tcatm> it used to be "every 46 minutes"
540 2011-01-17 02:55:23 <andrew12^mac> tcatm: oh cool
541 2011-01-17 02:56:20 <presence> just running bitcoin, nothing else, my pc uses 292 more watts, 2.41 more amps, 290 more VA (rms)
542 2011-01-17 02:56:25 <andrew12^mac> send me test coins! mwHHyMJxmUVK4QXT2whwAoqunsp1mMBeXh
543 2011-01-17 02:56:26 <andrew12^mac> :p
544 2011-01-17 02:56:40 <presence> I forgot to subtract the kwh from idle from the kwh bitcoin
545 2011-01-17 02:56:45 <presence> its actually better than I though
546 2011-01-17 02:56:54 <presence> $26/mo not 12
547 2011-01-17 02:56:57 <tcatm> http://bitcoincharts.com/media/stuff/blocks.png blocks vs. day
548 2011-01-17 02:57:21 <andrew12^mac> how'd you make that?
549 2011-01-17 02:57:33 <presence> tcat: have you done statistics on your power consumption?
550 2011-01-17 02:58:24 <tcatm> custom script that parses my wallet.dat for generated blocks and trims timestamps to days
551 2011-01-17 02:59:02 <tcatm> presence: measured power consumption when I setup the computers once and assume it to be constant
552 2011-01-17 02:59:22 <presence> IT should be reasonably constant sincce it drives the gpus at full power
553 2011-01-17 02:59:50 <tcatm> about $380/month
554 2011-01-17 03:00:01 <luke-jr> andrew12^mac: error: {"code":-4,"message":"Invalid bitcoin address"}
555 2011-01-17 03:00:03 <kiba> noagendamarket: yo, did ya check your email?
556 2011-01-17 03:00:18 <andrew12^mac> luke-jr: you are using the testnet, right?
557 2011-01-17 03:00:24 <luke-jr> no
558 2011-01-17 03:00:30 <andrew12^mac> that's why
559 2011-01-17 03:00:31 <presence> what happens when the cost to generate a single acceptable value takes a week for you?
560 2011-01-17 03:00:40 <presence> I think most people will have bailed entirely by then
561 2011-01-17 03:00:51 <noagendamarket> kiba: will do
562 2011-01-17 03:00:58 <tcatm> presence: I plan to stop as soon as it doesn't generate any profit
563 2011-01-17 03:01:24 <tcatm> at that point I'll either sell the GPUs or find someting else to use them for
564 2011-01-17 03:01:31 <luke-jr> andrew12^mac: don't want real bitcoins? FINE THEN
565 2011-01-17 03:01:35 <tcatm> like unlocking phones ;)
566 2011-01-17 03:01:38 <andrew12> my real bitcoin address is 1NkqZE4DA8h6Xbtz9GtJcfE1FcA8Z5yRJN
567 2011-01-17 03:01:58 <presence> once people stop generating things will get worky
568 2011-01-17 03:01:59 <presence> wonky
569 2011-01-17 03:02:02 <luke-jr> andrew12: that worked
570 2011-01-17 03:02:07 <andrew12> hehe
571 2011-01-17 03:02:16 <andrew12> usually addresses in the real network start with 1
572 2011-01-17 03:02:17 <luke-jr> [21:57:40] <bitcoincharts> TX 17V7FWfXtGBa7hRmdRETS9bE526ckUNDpq 1164992 uBTCents 1NkqZE4DA8h6Xbtz9GtJcfE1FcA8Z5yRJN 1î§ TBC 812feb008168424f4042bd8564c92194c928ad327a19c4fd1c2c51d6a690aae2
573 2011-01-17 03:02:27 <andrew12> 0.01 btc
574 2011-01-17 03:02:40 <andrew12> "YESSS"
575 2011-01-17 03:02:44 <tcatm> presence: I think price will continue to rise for quite some time
576 2011-01-17 03:02:47 <luke-jr> andrew12: 1î§ TBC
577 2011-01-17 03:03:04 <andrew12> 1 BTC as far as my client is concerned
578 2011-01-17 03:03:14 <luke-jr> andrew12: buggy client :P
579 2011-01-17 03:03:35 <luke-jr> 0.01 was a closer estimate
580 2011-01-17 03:03:41 <andrew12> er
581 2011-01-17 03:03:43 <andrew12> 0.01*
582 2011-01-17 03:03:43 <andrew12> lol
583 2011-01-17 03:03:46 <tcatm> I'm still making as much USD/month as I did when I started mining last fall. I get less blocks now but they're worth much more
584 2011-01-17 03:04:09 <andrew12> i'm using 0.3.17.. what's the latest?
585 2011-01-17 03:04:22 <presence> tcat: which miner are you using?
586 2011-01-17 03:04:26 <luke-jr> 0.3.19 I think
587 2011-01-17 03:04:27 <tcatm> oh for js-remote you should use git
588 2011-01-17 03:04:37 <luke-jr> andrew12: I don't think anyone's merged my bugfixes
589 2011-01-17 03:04:52 <tcatm> presence: custom one. I wrote one before there were opensource ones
590 2011-01-17 03:05:01 <andrew12> tcatm: i can't get that to compile on my mac because of berkeley db
591 2011-01-17 03:05:21 <andrew12> and yeah 0.3.19 is the latest
592 2011-01-17 03:05:23 * andrew12 updates
593 2011-01-17 03:05:37 <tcatm> andrew12: 85.116.192.135:7332 user/pass testnet/letmein
594 2011-01-17 03:05:44 <luke-jr> andrew12: pretty sure every other client but mine will waste TBC on fees
595 2011-01-17 03:05:59 <tcatm> feel free to do *anything* on that box as long as you don't take all my BTCs away
596 2011-01-17 03:06:06 <andrew12> hehe
597 2011-01-17 03:06:23 <andrew12> is that an rpc url?
598 2011-01-17 03:06:28 <tcatm> yep
599 2011-01-17 03:06:32 <tcatm> same as the js-remote demo
600 2011-01-17 03:06:37 <andrew12> oic
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602 2011-01-17 03:07:06 <andrew12> link to the demo url?
603 2011-01-17 03:07:30 <andrew12> nvm i found it
604 2011-01-17 03:07:33 <tcatm> https://85.116.192.135:8338
605 2011-01-17 03:09:23 <tcatm> you could even disconnect the remote (big red X) and enter http://85.116.192.135:7332 as the url to use it without SSL
606 2011-01-17 03:10:04 <andrew12> on here it's a box in a box :P
607 2011-01-17 03:10:36 <presence> hmm
608 2011-01-17 03:10:38 <presence> the sad thing
609 2011-01-17 03:10:56 <presence> I think the 5970 consumes the same power as my 2 gtx460s
610 2011-01-17 03:11:06 <presence> but produces 5x the output
611 2011-01-17 03:11:32 <presence> 1 5970 is 500Mhash/s right?
612 2011-01-17 03:12:22 <presence> in fact, the 5970 might be less power than my sli setup
613 2011-01-17 03:12:27 <andrew12> wow
614 2011-01-17 03:12:28 <mrb_> presence: up to 570-585Mhash/s for the best miners.
615 2011-01-17 03:12:33 <andrew12> blocks generate much faster than I thought
616 2011-01-17 03:12:49 <presence> so a $600 card should suffice?
617 2011-01-17 03:13:13 <tcatm> presence: My 5970 do 630 Mhash/s
618 2011-01-17 03:13:15 <andrew12> presence: just be like ArtForz and set up a farm and get Ghash/s :p
619 2011-01-17 03:13:27 <andrew12> jk
620 2011-01-17 03:13:31 <luke-jr> there is a $600 card?
621 2011-01-17 03:13:41 <mrb_> presence: or more if you oc (like tcatm)
622 2011-01-17 03:13:50 <presence> I dont want to invest that much, I dont know where this is going to go...the crypto doesnt have any value on its own
623 2011-01-17 03:14:30 <tcatm> presence: It went from 0.005 to 0.40. I'm quite certain it will rise to $1 or $2
624 2011-01-17 03:15:00 <presence> Well, thats still reasonably short term at the amount of processing that is going on already
625 2011-01-17 03:15:00 <andrew12> tcatm: what did? the bitcoin to usd rate?
626 2011-01-17 03:15:04 <tcatm> andrew12: yep
627 2011-01-17 03:15:08 <andrew12> ah
628 2011-01-17 03:15:22 <hacim> except it seems to be more around .38 right now, going down slightly
629 2011-01-17 03:16:01 <ArtForz> getting 563.14Mh/s on a stock 5970 ;)
630 2011-01-17 03:16:18 <presence> so closer to 5.6x
631 2011-01-17 03:16:20 <mrb_> tcatm: my fear is that many bitcoin early-adopters don't realize yet the value of their wallet, but when they do, they will start selling and the BTC price will drop
632 2011-01-17 03:16:23 <presence> thats not a bad return
633 2011-01-17 03:17:28 <mrb_> ArtForz: I thought you implemented BFI_INT and got 585 Mhash/s?
634 2011-01-17 03:17:56 <ArtForz> still working on BFI_INT
635 2011-01-17 03:18:07 <andrew12> I wonder wht would happen if ArtForz were to put his farm in the pool :p
636 2011-01-17 03:18:09 <tcatm> What's BFI_INT?
637 2011-01-17 03:18:13 <andrew12> s/wht/what/
638 2011-01-17 03:18:32 <presence> once you generate more than 50btc a day, being in a pool has very little value
639 2011-01-17 03:18:42 <andrew12> hehe
640 2011-01-17 03:18:43 <ArtForz> btw, looks closer to 604.46Mh/s
641 2011-01-17 03:18:43 <mrb_> ah.
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643 2011-01-17 03:19:05 <presence> to be honest, even at my level being part of a pool isnt all that useful
644 2011-01-17 03:19:10 <ArtForz> with BFI_INT
645 2011-01-17 03:19:11 <presence> 50/week basically
646 2011-01-17 03:19:35 <mrb_> tcatm: BFI_INT: http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=43
647 2011-01-17 03:19:38 <andrew12> grrrr
648 2011-01-17 03:19:51 <andrew12> I think bitcoin keeps making new addresses.. I don't want a ton of addresses :(
649 2011-01-17 03:19:52 <luke-jr> presence: I get 12/mo
650 2011-01-17 03:20:03 <luke-jr> andrew12: the original client does that
651 2011-01-17 03:20:39 <andrew12> do you have one that I don't have to compile? -.-
652 2011-01-17 03:20:52 <luke-jr> none, even if you compile
653 2011-01-17 03:21:20 <[Noodles]> presence: what if you want/need to spend 1BTC tomorrow, but dont have any? wanna wait a week longer, or join the pool for a day?
654 2011-01-17 03:21:45 <[Noodles]> or a few hours, to earn your 1btc reward
655 2011-01-17 03:21:46 <andrew12> join the pool forever!
656 2011-01-17 03:22:12 <presence> there is nothing that .40 could buy that I would need right away
657 2011-01-17 03:22:35 <ArtForz> some more param fiddling, 604.68Mh/s with BFI_INT
658 2011-01-17 03:22:40 <[Noodles]> you, so it isnt useful to you!
659 2011-01-17 03:22:56 <ArtForz> I dont think it'll go faster without rewriting my kernel some more
660 2011-01-17 03:23:31 <andrew12> do you oc?
661 2011-01-17 03:23:40 <ArtForz> thats @ stock
662 2011-01-17 03:24:30 <presence> thats nice
663 2011-01-17 03:24:41 <presence> I need to find a good price on a 5970
664 2011-01-17 03:25:11 <andrew12> Odelay!
665 2011-01-17 03:25:41 <ArtForz> 700.36 Mh/s @ 840
666 2011-01-17 03:28:34 <tcatm> There's no way to use BFI_INT from opencl, is there?
667 2011-01-17 03:28:40 <ArtForz> nope
668 2011-01-17 03:28:54 <tcatm> How do you do it? Patch IL?
669 2011-01-17 03:29:17 <mrb_> yes
670 2011-01-17 03:29:18 <presence> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121388
671 2011-01-17 03:29:23 <presence> that might be a good deal there
672 2011-01-17 03:29:38 <presence> ah, its a 58
673 2011-01-17 03:29:41 <presence> screw that
674 2011-01-17 03:29:45 <mrb_> actually patch the ELF object in memory
675 2011-01-17 03:30:21 <ArtForz> more like patch the binary shader ASM
676 2011-01-17 03:30:46 * andrew12^mac does some random walks all over ArtForz
677 2011-01-17 03:30:49 <andrew12^mac> :p
678 2011-01-17 03:31:06 <hacim> i knew I should have bought that 5970 on ebay for $349
679 2011-01-17 03:31:55 <presence> Im getting quite a few "invalid or stale"
680 2011-01-17 03:31:57 <presence> wtf
681 2011-01-17 03:32:20 <andrew12> who else thinks bank transactions take far too long? :p
682 2011-01-17 03:33:51 <andrew12> how do you determine the bitcoin/usd exchange rate anyways? is it just however much people are offering for it?
683 2011-01-17 03:34:11 <presence> there are some exchanges out there
684 2011-01-17 03:34:41 <andrew12> ;;bc,stats
685 2011-01-17 03:34:43 <gribble> Current Blocks: 103080 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 1751 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 3 hours, 11 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 22191.17272309
686 2011-01-17 03:36:15 <luke-jr> andrew12: right
687 2011-01-17 03:36:26 <andrew12> that's silly
688 2011-01-17 03:36:32 <luke-jr> andrew12: interestingly, higher-risk sources like PayPal seem to be about 2 cents above others
689 2011-01-17 03:36:58 <andrew12> someone could just sell at 1:1 and act like it's the exchange rate
690 2011-01-17 03:37:06 <andrew12> heh
691 2011-01-17 03:37:16 <andrew12> though there wouldn't be too many people buying at that rate
692 2011-01-17 03:37:16 <luke-jr> it'd be expensive with the current market, to keep that up long
693 2011-01-17 03:37:35 <luke-jr> well yeah, you'd need to buy
694 2011-01-17 03:37:52 <luke-jr> I bet most people here would be more than willing to sell at $1 USD ea
695 2011-01-17 03:38:23 <hacim> i'll do it for 0.99
696 2011-01-17 03:38:39 <andrew12> I was going to try doing something where i buy at 0.3 btc and sell at 0.4 in order to profit :p
697 2011-01-17 03:38:54 <andrew12> i'd do it on mtgox if i had money to start with
698 2011-01-17 03:39:02 <andrew12> (10 btc minimum)
699 2011-01-17 03:39:25 <luke-jr> BitCoin Market does PayPal, but 100 BTC minimums :p
700 2011-01-17 03:39:31 <andrew12> damn
701 2011-01-17 03:39:42 <luke-jr> I bought 100 @ 0.40 the other day
702 2011-01-17 03:39:54 <andrew12> wanna send me 10? :p
703 2011-01-17 03:40:01 <luke-jr> not really, then I can't sell them :P
704 2011-01-17 03:40:24 <andrew12> I'll buy some at 0.30 from you if you want :p
705 2011-01-17 03:40:40 <andrew12> ;;google calccalc 0.30*8
706 2011-01-17 03:40:40 <gribble> Synthesis and solution properties of water soluble copolymers ...: <http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/0032386184903835>; Molecular structure of strained polycyclic hydrocarbons. A MINDO/3 ...: <http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/0022286079803488>; Configuration interaction and spin-orbit coupling in the Fox ...: (1 more message)
707 2011-01-17 03:40:41 <andrew12> er
708 2011-01-17 03:40:45 <andrew12> ;;google calc 0.30*8
709 2011-01-17 03:40:45 <gribble> 0.30 * 8 = 2.4
710 2011-01-17 03:41:10 <hacim> andrew12: not many people are going to want to sell at .30 when mtgox is essentially .4
711 2011-01-17 03:41:21 <luke-jr> andrew12: I'll sell you 10 BTC for $5
712 2011-01-17 03:41:34 <andrew12> I have $2.28 :(
713 2011-01-17 03:41:52 <luke-jr> 4 BTC then
714 2011-01-17 03:41:59 <andrew12> need moar
715 2011-01-17 03:41:59 <andrew12> :p
716 2011-01-17 03:42:10 <luke-jr> me too
717 2011-01-17 03:42:14 * kiba is VICTORIOUS
718 2011-01-17 03:42:24 * kiba earned himself a challenge badge on Khan Academy
719 2011-01-17 03:42:32 <andrew12> if bank transactions were faster i'd have $52.28
720 2011-01-17 03:42:40 <andrew12> buuuuttt they're not.
721 2011-01-17 03:43:00 <andrew12> Payment status: Processing
722 2011-01-17 03:43:17 <hacim> how about 5
723 2011-01-17 03:43:24 <andrew12> Expected Clearing Date: Jan 18, 2011
724 2011-01-17 03:43:29 <andrew12> hacim: for how much?
725 2011-01-17 03:43:46 <hacim> you said you have 2.28
726 2011-01-17 03:44:00 <luke-jr> andrew12: I'll give you 100 BTC now for $52.28 when it arrives.
727 2011-01-17 03:44:15 <andrew12> luke-jr: no. i've got other stuff i'm going to buy with that
728 2011-01-17 03:44:18 <luke-jr> XD
729 2011-01-17 03:44:32 <andrew12> ;;calc 2.2/5
730 2011-01-17 03:44:33 <gribble> Error: The command "calc" is available in the Google and Math plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "calc".
731 2011-01-17 03:44:37 <andrew12> ...
732 2011-01-17 03:44:40 <andrew12> ;;google calc 2.2/5
733 2011-01-17 03:44:41 <gribble> 2.2 / 5 = 0.44
734 2011-01-17 03:44:47 <andrew12> hacim: nah
735 2011-01-17 03:44:48 <andrew12> :p
736 2011-01-17 03:45:02 <luke-jr> andrew12: I'll give ya 5.01 :P
737 2011-01-17 03:45:08 <hacim> can't be stingy when you are wanting now and have paypal
738 2011-01-17 03:45:08 <andrew12> lol
739 2011-01-17 03:45:24 <andrew12> over 9000 btc for $1 plz :p
740 2011-01-17 03:45:35 <luke-jr> andrew12: you're about 2 years too late for that price
741 2011-01-17 03:45:41 <andrew12> hahaha
742 2011-01-17 03:46:06 <andrew12> if I were using bitcoin 2 years ago I'd be rich :(
743 2011-01-17 03:46:18 <andrew12> howe2time machine
744 2011-01-17 03:47:16 <andrew12> go back in time, buy btc for usd, go back to present, sell btc at current rate, ???, profit
745 2011-01-17 03:48:45 <luke-jr> andrew12: problem is, you're break the block chain
746 2011-01-17 03:48:54 <luke-jr> and present value would be affected probably
747 2011-01-17 03:48:54 <andrew12> i'm break the block chain?
748 2011-01-17 03:49:39 <andrew12> luke-jr: disagree. i think it would appear as if i had done it 2 years ago when i came back to the present
749 2011-01-17 03:49:45 <andrew12> yay for time travel theories
750 2011-01-17 03:49:46 <luke-jr> :p
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752 2011-01-17 03:51:43 <tcatm> ArtForz: If I inserted amd_bytealign(x,y,z) into the .cl, will the compiler produce a bytealign instruction or will it replace it with something else?
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761 2011-01-17 04:10:19 <nevezen> is slush's pool based off of UTC time?
762 2011-01-17 04:13:44 <nanotube> nevezen: probably. the statistics page says "Current round started at: 2011-01-17 04:06:06 UTC"
763 2011-01-17 04:13:45 <nanotube> heh
764 2011-01-17 04:18:03 <nevezen> what is the random alphnumeral next to the timestamp in m0mchil's miner output?
765 2011-01-17 04:19:53 <nevezen> suppose to be hash of something?
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767 2011-01-17 04:22:00 * nanotube dunno, never used that miner.
768 2011-01-17 04:22:08 <nanotube> nevezen: what's it look like?
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770 2011-01-17 04:23:02 <nevezen> date, time, hash?, status..
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784 2011-01-17 04:50:48 <tcatm> I wonder if every 0.05 from faucet means a new user discovering bitcoin?
785 2011-01-17 04:51:45 sabalaba has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
786 2011-01-17 04:52:47 <luke-jr> tcatm: what else?
787 2011-01-17 04:53:20 <kiba> or maybe somebody is nicking the fauet
788 2011-01-17 04:53:40 <tcatm> luke-jr: see kiba
789 2011-01-17 04:54:16 <tcatm> Yay, guess my nogui fork of bitcoin is usefull after all :)
790 2011-01-17 04:57:12 <andrew12> ,,bc,txfee
791 2011-01-17 04:57:12 <gribble> Error: "bc,txfee" is not a valid command.
792 2011-01-17 04:57:19 <andrew12> nope, that wasn't it...
793 2011-01-17 04:57:26 <nanotube> ;;bc,wiki transaction fees
794 2011-01-17 04:57:26 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fees | Dec 19, 2010 ... Transaction fees may be included with any transfer of bitcoins from one address to another. At the moment, many transactions are typically ...
795 2011-01-17 04:57:29 <andrew12> that one
796 2011-01-17 04:57:30 <nanotube> andrew12: --^ :)
797 2011-01-17 04:58:32 <andrew12> soo anything >= 0.01 is free?
798 2011-01-17 04:58:47 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|blah!
799 2011-01-17 04:58:52 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|I'm in a sour mood
800 2011-01-17 04:58:54 <andrew12> halb!
801 2011-01-17 04:59:07 <MT`AwAy> andrew12, it depends on the block size
802 2011-01-17 04:59:07 * tcatm needs a faster laptop
803 2011-01-17 04:59:09 * andrew12 gives nameless| some sweets
804 2011-01-17 04:59:15 <nanotube> andrew12: no, it also depends on size of tx in bytes, and size of block in bytes.
805 2011-01-17 04:59:15 <MT`AwAy> and tx size
806 2011-01-17 04:59:20 <tcatm> cross compiling bitcoind on a pentium m is no fun
807 2011-01-17 04:59:34 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|andrew12: If you could give me a laxitive I'd be more greatful
808 2011-01-17 04:59:44 <andrew12> nameless|: :x
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810 2011-01-17 05:00:20 <andrew12> hmm
811 2011-01-17 05:00:25 <andrew12> my desktop hasn't gotten any shares in a while
812 2011-01-17 05:00:42 <andrew12> neither has my mac.. :x
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816 2011-01-17 05:08:40 <hacim> i just wrote man pages for bitcoind(1) and bitcoin.conf(5)
817 2011-01-17 05:09:21 <tcatm> cool
818 2011-01-17 05:09:32 <tcatm> url? :)
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823 2011-01-17 05:15:25 <presence> hmm still 2.66 in escrow
824 2011-01-17 05:15:40 <tcatm> be patient
825 2011-01-17 05:16:04 <tcatm> i think under statistics you can see how many confirmations are left
826 2011-01-17 05:16:06 <presence> Im trying to do math :D
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828 2011-01-17 05:21:52 <hacim> tcatm: http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/bitcoin.git;a=commit;h=77eb7948fd8a7901d7d731d004e9154d9f0270d7
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830 2011-01-17 05:23:24 <presence> tcatm: thats what I wanted to see
831 2011-01-17 05:23:29 <presence> thanks for telling me
832 2011-01-17 05:24:17 <tcatm> hacim: great work!
833 2011-01-17 05:24:21 <presence> haha duration 1:36 with a reward of .08
834 2011-01-17 05:25:48 <necrodearia> tcatm, "File not found" at demo page
835 2011-01-17 05:26:01 <tcatm> necrodearia: try to reload
836 2011-01-17 05:26:13 <tcatm> happens sometimes (I really ought to improve error handling)
837 2011-01-17 05:26:17 <necrodearia> tcatm, same
838 2011-01-17 05:26:24 <necrodearia> ctrl+shift+r for reloading without using cache
839 2011-01-17 05:26:57 <tcatm> oh
840 2011-01-17 05:27:08 <tcatm> looks like someone stopped my bitcoind :)
841 2011-01-17 05:27:10 <tcatm> fixed
842 2011-01-17 05:27:19 <necrodearia> ^_^
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844 2011-01-17 05:30:41 <necrodearia> mm, test network limits to two decimal places also
845 2011-01-17 05:31:05 <hacim> thanks tcatm, its boring writing man pages :)
846 2011-01-17 05:31:30 <tcatm> hacim: what's your donation address?
847 2011-01-17 05:31:57 james___ has joined
848 2011-01-17 05:32:04 <hacim> tcatm: 16bX3ZMwsuvcfzzuQ4WV4vriGKPFGZsTqC
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850 2011-01-17 05:32:20 <hacim> would love a donation, it would be my first *blush*
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852 2011-01-17 05:34:53 <hacim> now to backport the packages so that they can be installed on lenny
853 2011-01-17 05:36:03 <dooglus> luke-jr: I was just reading about the Tonal System, thanks to your wiki edit
854 2011-01-17 05:36:24 <luke-jr> dooglus: yeah?
855 2011-01-17 05:36:31 <dooglus> luke-jr: I hadn't heard of it before
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857 2011-01-17 05:36:48 <luke-jr> most people haven't
858 2011-01-17 05:36:55 <luke-jr> ofc most people haven't heard of Bitcoin either
859 2011-01-17 05:36:58 <dooglus> luke-jr: and was in the process of correcting your "1 TBC = 0x100000 uBTC" statement when you did it yourself :)
860 2011-01-17 05:37:07 <luke-jr> :p
861 2011-01-17 05:37:18 <dooglus> luke-jr: not sure your correction is right either though
862 2011-01-17 05:37:24 <luke-jr> ?
863 2011-01-17 05:37:27 <dooglus> is "base bitcoin unit" well defined?
864 2011-01-17 05:37:32 <luke-jr> yes
865 2011-01-17 05:38:05 <luke-jr> it is the smallest non-zero number on a technical level
866 2011-01-17 05:38:13 <dooglus> the divisibility of a bitcoin is 10^-8 at the moment, but is subject to refinement later I think
867 2011-01-17 05:38:34 <luke-jr> I don't know how someone plans to make it smaller
868 2011-01-17 05:38:54 <necrodearia> Is there a comparisojn of the different miners on the wiki yet?
869 2011-01-17 05:39:25 <dooglus> google tells me "No results found for "base bitcoin unit"" - so I don't think it's a very well known term
870 2011-01-17 05:40:54 <luke-jr> I'm not sure there is a competing term
871 2011-01-17 05:41:07 <luke-jr> other than TBCáµ, but it would be silly to define TBC that way
872 2011-01-17 05:44:32 <luke-jr> anyone know hardware well?
873 2011-01-17 05:45:10 <tcatm> I wish GPUs could run g++
874 2011-01-17 05:45:50 * tcatm cross compiles 37.5 MB tarball on a pentium m
875 2011-01-17 05:46:04 <andrew12^mac> hehe
876 2011-01-17 05:46:10 <kiba> So, how many of you read The Bitcoin Times?
877 2011-01-17 05:46:13 <andrew12^mac> it'd be nice to have a box to compile things
878 2011-01-17 05:46:16 <tcatm> kiba: link?
879 2011-01-17 05:46:17 <luke-jr> never heard of it
880 2011-01-17 05:46:23 <andrew12^mac> kiba: is it in a pdf now?
881 2011-01-17 05:46:31 <andrew12^mac> if it is, then i'll buy it
882 2011-01-17 05:46:42 <kiba> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2355.0
883 2011-01-17 05:46:45 <kiba> andrew12^mac: yes
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886 2011-01-17 05:48:20 <andrew12> yay
887 2011-01-17 05:49:17 * kiba is now known as a journalist, artist, project herders, amongst many things
888 2011-01-17 05:49:59 <kiba> I don't specialize
889 2011-01-17 05:50:17 * andrew12 is a fucking astronaut
890 2011-01-17 05:50:19 <andrew12> jk
891 2011-01-17 05:50:20 <kiba> I scround for ways to make bitcoin
892 2011-01-17 05:51:00 <andrew12> i don't have any way to make bitcoins :(
893 2011-01-17 05:51:52 <kiba> write, make art, program, whatever
894 2011-01-17 05:53:01 <andrew12> should i just like, write some random program that's related to bitcoin and be like 'plz donate to 1NkqZE4DA8h6Xbtz9GtJcfE1FcA8Z5yRJN'
895 2011-01-17 05:53:13 <andrew12> also why does bitcoin keep generating new addresses -_-
896 2011-01-17 05:53:17 <kiba> you could try that
897 2011-01-17 05:53:28 <andrew12> or some site.. heh
898 2011-01-17 05:53:44 <luke-jr> andrew12: you know modern PC components well?
899 2011-01-17 05:53:50 <andrew12> luke-jr: sure
900 2011-01-17 05:54:12 <luke-jr> any reason some RAM would support P67 chipset, but not H67?
901 2011-01-17 05:54:14 <kiba> thtere's an unlimited amount of things people need to do for the economy!
902 2011-01-17 05:54:20 <kiba> but there's no labor market
903 2011-01-17 05:54:39 <presence> I like the idea of one address per transaction, that way its harder to track to an individual
904 2011-01-17 05:55:18 <tcatm> kiba: great interview!
905 2011-01-17 05:55:43 <kiba> thank you! don't forget to thanks MagicalTux for writing such detailed response
906 2011-01-17 05:56:07 <tcatm> thanks MT`AwAy :)
907 2011-01-17 05:56:44 <andrew12> i'll have to try qbitcoin
908 2011-01-17 05:56:51 <tcatm> we all have :)
909 2011-01-17 05:56:57 * luke-jr wants to contribute to qbitcoin -.-
910 2011-01-17 05:57:22 <andrew12> oh, it's not even released yet
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912 2011-01-17 05:57:25 <presence> hmm must have jumped into the block really late...I have an estimated reward of 0.002 :D
913 2011-01-17 05:57:39 <presence> worst so far by an order of magnitude
914 2011-01-17 05:58:34 <MT`AwAy> andrew12, soon
915 2011-01-17 05:58:43 <andrew12> =D
916 2011-01-17 05:58:46 <MT`AwAy> andrew12, I'll release beta before the end of the month
917 2011-01-17 05:58:54 <MT`AwAy> (hope to)
918 2011-01-17 05:58:59 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: you're qbitcoin guy?
919 2011-01-17 05:59:12 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, yep
920 2011-01-17 05:59:19 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: I want to contribute.
921 2011-01-17 05:59:27 <andrew12> heh
922 2011-01-17 05:59:50 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: did you see my ideas on the wiki?
923 2011-01-17 06:00:00 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, did you post them on Talk:QBitcoin ?
924 2011-01-17 06:00:05 <luke-jr> yes
925 2011-01-17 06:00:11 <MT`AwAy> then I'll check
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927 2011-01-17 06:00:24 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: I'd like to help implement too âº
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929 2011-01-17 06:00:56 <MT`AwAy> as soon as I finish establishing the bases, it should be fine
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931 2011-01-17 06:01:14 <luke-jr> these features require base-level support <.<
932 2011-01-17 06:01:20 <MT`AwAy> ok
933 2011-01-17 06:01:27 <MT`AwAy> well
934 2011-01-17 06:01:52 <MT`AwAy> the first beta will include all the basic features you should need, and we'll be able to start at this point
935 2011-01-17 06:01:52 <luke-jr> I guess the most important factor is that the wallet uses base units internally, and leaves abstraction to the GUI
936 2011-01-17 06:02:05 <luke-jr> TBC is a basic feature I need âº
937 2011-01-17 06:02:24 <MT`AwAy> yep
938 2011-01-17 06:02:28 <MT`AwAy> that's the case
939 2011-01-17 06:02:34 <luke-jr> ?
940 2011-01-17 06:02:46 <MT`AwAy> base unit used internally
941 2011-01-17 06:02:50 <luke-jr> ah good
942 2011-01-17 06:02:58 <luke-jr> how does that sit with the JSON-RPC compat?
943 2011-01-17 06:03:01 <presence> http://www.xerofx.cz.cc/get-free-bitcoins.html Hahah a bitcoin pyramid scheme
944 2011-01-17 06:03:06 <MT`AwAy> the only exception is the json compat interface
945 2011-01-17 06:03:08 <luke-jr> (since JSON-RPC currently is not abstracted in such a way)
946 2011-01-17 06:03:09 <tcatm> MT`AwAy: will qbitcoin support the same account RPC API as bitcoind?
947 2011-01-17 06:03:10 <luke-jr> ah
948 2011-01-17 06:03:21 <MT`AwAy> tcatm, it includes a compat interface, and a "better" interface
949 2011-01-17 06:03:29 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: what license btw?
950 2011-01-17 06:03:36 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, probably BSD
951 2011-01-17 06:03:40 <luke-jr> k
952 2011-01-17 06:03:44 <tcatm> MT`AwAy: but still JSON RPC?
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954 2011-01-17 06:04:04 <MT`AwAy> tcatm, two native APIs, one is JSON-RPC, the other one is binary
955 2011-01-17 06:04:11 <MT`AwAy> (and specific to QBitcoin)
956 2011-01-17 06:04:21 <tcatm> 'cause it would be cool if it supported js-remote
957 2011-01-17 06:04:40 <MT`AwAy> tcatm, it shouldn't be too hard to implement (I guess js-remote is json based)
958 2011-01-17 06:04:44 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: would be cool if I could add TBC support pre-beta, so it could be in the first release ;)
959 2011-01-17 06:05:01 <tcatm> MT`AwAy: great
960 2011-01-17 06:05:04 <MT`AwAy> the API is made in an abstract way, allowing to easily add new communication standards
961 2011-01-17 06:05:19 <andrew12> chunky bacon?!
962 2011-01-17 06:06:38 <MT`AwAy> I'll check for TBC (TonalBitCoin I guess)
963 2011-01-17 06:06:54 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: check for?
964 2011-01-17 06:07:20 <MT`AwAy> well, I have troubles myself to display the units
965 2011-01-17 06:07:26 <MT`AwAy> anyway I guess it only affects the GUI
966 2011-01-17 06:08:05 <luke-jr> grab a font ;)
967 2011-01-17 06:08:37 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/education/tonal/glyphs/fonts/Luxi/LuxiTonal.ttf is a minimal Luxi-compatible font with only the Tonal digits
968 2011-01-17 06:09:06 <MT`AwAy> I'll see if I can embed it into the client
969 2011-01-17 06:09:15 <MT`AwAy> put the link somewhere on Talk:QBitcoin :)
970 2011-01-17 06:09:16 <luke-jr> a basic implementation would just be a "BTC or TBC?" setting, and rendering currency in that
971 2011-01-17 06:09:30 <kiba> wow
972 2011-01-17 06:09:35 <kiba> chrome development is easy as pie
973 2011-01-17 06:09:38 <kiba> err
974 2011-01-17 06:09:44 <kiba> chrome extension development is easy as pie
975 2011-01-17 06:09:51 <luke-jr> was gonna say
976 2011-01-17 06:09:55 <luke-jr> V8 is crazy
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979 2011-01-17 06:10:30 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: that work?
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981 2011-01-17 06:10:57 <luke-jr> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Units might also be of use
982 2011-01-17 06:11:00 <andrew12> ;;google calc 5000*0.4
983 2011-01-17 06:11:00 <gribble> 5,000 * 0.4 = 2,000
984 2011-01-17 06:11:15 <andrew12> interesting.
985 2011-01-17 06:12:24 <mrb_> don't you guys think that coining tonal units will only confuse users more, hence will slow down the rate of adoption?
986 2011-01-17 06:12:35 <luke-jr> mrb_: no
987 2011-01-17 06:12:36 <andrew12> mrb_: it sure as hell confuses me
988 2011-01-17 06:13:09 <luke-jr> mrb_: just set your client to your preferred display and be happy :P
989 2011-01-17 06:13:41 <mrb_> luke-jr: see andrew12's response.
990 2011-01-17 06:13:48 <mrb_> they are!
991 2011-01-17 06:14:22 <luke-jr> mrb_: maybe all this Bitcoin technical stuff will confuse people more, and slow the rate of Tonal adoption?
992 2011-01-17 06:14:50 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, ~k
993 2011-01-17 06:15:39 <tcatm> Tonal adoption is already much slower than bitcoin adoption
994 2011-01-17 06:16:08 <hacim> what is tonal
995 2011-01-17 06:16:14 * hacim uses search engine
996 2011-01-17 06:16:35 <luke-jr> Wikipedia for Tonal System; or see the link on the Tonal BitCoin wiki page
997 2011-01-17 06:16:52 <andrew12> can't you just explain it here? :P
998 2011-01-17 06:17:02 <luke-jr> andrew12: hexadecimal for human beings
999 2011-01-17 06:17:06 <luke-jr> (sorry Ubuntu)
1000 2011-01-17 06:17:20 <andrew12> oh that explains why 1 TBC is 0.16 BTC.
1001 2011-01-17 06:17:31 <luke-jr> 1 TBC is 0.00065536 BTC
1002 2011-01-17 06:17:37 <andrew12> er
1003 2011-01-17 06:17:46 <andrew12> 100*
1004 2011-01-17 06:17:50 <luke-jr> :P
1005 2011-01-17 06:18:10 <luke-jr> andrew12: it's really 0.16777216
1006 2011-01-17 06:18:29 <mrb_> luke-jr: you've got to think about the whole picture. it's not "just a setting to change in the UI". it's people using tonal units in discussions in IRC, the forums, etc
1007 2011-01-17 06:18:37 <luke-jr> mrb_: ok
1008 2011-01-17 06:19:42 <MT`AwAy> well, the "tonal" setting will probably end in the "advanced" tab or something like that
1009 2011-01-17 06:19:44 <mrb_> I see tonal units as an unnecessary thing, an extra layer of complexity.
1010 2011-01-17 06:19:49 <MT`AwAy> with a link to wikipedia
1011 2011-01-17 06:20:00 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: grumble.
1012 2011-01-17 06:20:30 <MT`AwAy> tonal can be good for stuff like ram or bits, but for a currency I see it as maybe too difficult
1013 2011-01-17 06:20:41 <luke-jr> Tonal is good for everything.
1014 2011-01-17 06:20:43 <MT`AwAy> anyway we'll see user feedback
1015 2011-01-17 06:20:47 <luke-jr> Decimal is more difficult.
1016 2011-01-17 06:21:23 <luke-jr> mrb_: I see Tonal units as more important to adopt than BitCoin, and BitCoins anonymous stuff extra complexity.
1017 2011-01-17 06:21:34 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, tonal will require users to adapt, while decimal is something users already use, I believe it makes tonal more difficult as it requires an extra step
1018 2011-01-17 06:21:39 <luke-jr> mrb_: not everyone using BitCoins will be using it for the same reasons.
1019 2011-01-17 06:21:50 <MT`AwAy> anyway I'm not judge of that
1020 2011-01-17 06:22:10 <MT`AwAy> it shouldn't take too much time to implement, and we'll see user response
1021 2011-01-17 06:22:32 <tcatm> boost sucks :/
1022 2011-01-17 06:22:46 * MT`AwAy agrees with tcatm
1023 2011-01-17 06:22:59 <luke-jr> tcatm: not really, just ⦠big and slow
1024 2011-01-17 06:23:03 <luke-jr> kinda like C++ :P
1025 2011-01-17 06:23:16 <tcatm> isn't qt based on c++?
1026 2011-01-17 06:23:27 <luke-jr> it's implemented in C++
1027 2011-01-17 06:23:27 <MT`AwAy> tcatm, Qt is C++ only :D
1028 2011-01-17 06:23:48 <MT`AwAy> but for some reason, Qt is not putting code in .h files, only definitions
1029 2011-01-17 06:23:53 <andrew12> hey, someone write a console bitcoin client in C, go!
1030 2011-01-17 06:23:57 <andrew12> :p
1031 2011-01-17 06:24:06 <luke-jr> Qt was created before C++ templates worked
1032 2011-01-17 06:24:11 <tcatm> andrew12: too busy :/
1033 2011-01-17 06:24:12 <luke-jr> andrew12: nah
1034 2011-01-17 06:24:16 <luke-jr> Qt is good
1035 2011-01-17 06:24:19 <MT`AwAy> andrew12, the wallet part of my bitcoin client is in pure C, and runs as a separate process
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1037 2011-01-17 06:24:26 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: really? why?
1038 2011-01-17 06:24:36 <luke-jr> I mean the C part
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1040 2011-01-17 06:24:45 <luke-jr> (not disagreeing, just curious)
1041 2011-01-17 06:24:46 <andrew12> MT`AwAy: is QBitcoin an entirely separate client?
1042 2011-01-17 06:24:53 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, because it didn't need C++, and I wanted to avoid involving lots of foreign libraries in this part
1043 2011-01-17 06:24:58 <MT`AwAy> andrew12, yep
1044 2011-01-17 06:25:00 <tcatm> MT`AwAy: can the wallet use a simple JSON RPC api?
1045 2011-01-17 06:25:01 <andrew12> ooooooooooooooooh
1046 2011-01-17 06:25:10 <MT`AwAy> tcatm, the wallet cannot do anything by itself
1047 2011-01-17 06:25:28 <MT`AwAy> it is just the wallet, it handles addresses, create addresses, and store them
1048 2011-01-17 06:25:46 <MT`AwAy> however it can be easily used as a basis for other clients too
1049 2011-01-17 06:26:06 <tcatm> I'm thinking about something SQL backed for huge online wallets
1050 2011-01-17 06:26:23 <MT`AwAy> my wallet uses SQLite
1051 2011-01-17 06:26:25 <MT`AwAy> :D
1052 2011-01-17 06:26:28 <andrew12> !!!!
1053 2011-01-17 06:26:52 <MT`AwAy> (makes it easier to dump & understand the wallet file)
1054 2011-01-17 06:27:35 <andrew12> you'll have to write something to convert a regular wallet.dat to one for qbitcoin :p
1055 2011-01-17 06:27:45 <MT`AwAy> that's planned too
1056 2011-01-17 06:27:49 <tcatm> bitcointools ;)
1057 2011-01-17 06:27:54 <andrew12> that too
1058 2011-01-17 06:27:56 <MT`AwAy> maybe not during the beta (it's a bad idea anyway)
1059 2011-01-17 06:27:57 <tcatm> dumping to sqlite should be very easy
1060 2011-01-17 06:28:20 <tcatm> What database does QBitcoin use for blocks/TX?
1061 2011-01-17 06:28:38 <MT`AwAy> anyway the wallet only contains bitcoin addresses, no informations on the amount on each (this information comes from the blocks db)
1062 2011-01-17 06:28:42 <MT`AwAy> tcatm, sqlite too
1063 2011-01-17 06:29:01 <MT`AwAy> didn't feel like it would be a good idea to include tons of different database engines, and sqlite is fast enough for what I do
1064 2011-01-17 06:29:28 <tcatm> yeah and probably easy to exchange if there's ever need for a faster db
1065 2011-01-17 06:29:46 <MT`AwAy> yep
1066 2011-01-17 06:30:10 <andrew12> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2846.0
1067 2011-01-17 06:30:15 <MT`AwAy> anyway there should be no concurrent write accesses, so sqlite is perfect
1068 2011-01-17 06:30:15 <andrew12> this is an interesting idea
1069 2011-01-17 06:30:49 <luke-jr> anyone wanna buy Civ V with bitcoins?
1070 2011-01-17 06:30:50 <MT`AwAy> andrew12, I know tor works quite well in china
1071 2011-01-17 06:30:57 <andrew12> MT`AwAy: lol
1072 2011-01-17 06:31:00 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, I already got it
1073 2011-01-17 06:31:05 <luke-jr> :/
1074 2011-01-17 06:31:11 <dirtyfilthy> would they merge, throwing away all the transactions of the shortest chain?
1075 2011-01-17 06:31:13 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: you just buy a new PC? :P
1076 2011-01-17 06:31:29 <andrew12> it'd be cool if it was possible to make multiple testnets :p
1077 2011-01-17 06:31:31 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, nah, why that?
1078 2011-01-17 06:31:43 <andrew12> maybe then i could actually generate some btc :P
1079 2011-01-17 06:31:46 <luke-jr> Civ V free w/ CPU+mobo combos on NewEgg
1080 2011-01-17 06:31:47 <luke-jr> XD
1081 2011-01-17 06:31:52 <MT`AwAy> dirtyfilthy, I don't think china will have more cpu than the main network
1082 2011-01-17 06:32:03 <MT`AwAy> however one could extract the chinese transactions and broadcast them to the main net
1083 2011-01-17 06:32:07 <MT`AwAy> thru making them valid transactions
1084 2011-01-17 06:32:19 <MT`AwAy> only one thing: it would become impossible for chinese users to generate blocks
1085 2011-01-17 06:32:32 <andrew12> MT`AwAy: that won't work if china generates blocks while detached from the rest of the network
1086 2011-01-17 06:32:43 <tcatm> dirtyfilthy, MT`AwAy: that's just what happens. TX from shorter chain will be integrated into the longer one
1087 2011-01-17 06:32:51 <MT`AwAy> andrew12, it depends if the chinese transactions are spent from previous blocks or new ones
1088 2011-01-17 06:32:58 <andrew12> MT`AwAy: that's true
1089 2011-01-17 06:33:06 <andrew12> but generated blocks obviously won't be valid
1090 2011-01-17 06:33:14 <MT`AwAy> yep, but the transactions in them may still be
1091 2011-01-17 06:33:41 <tcatm> We already had such a split (though a very small one but still blocks got invalidated)
1092 2011-01-17 06:33:43 <MT`AwAy> anyway if only one node in china is connected on both normal net (via tor) and chinese net, it'll make generation of blocks for chinese users possible
1093 2011-01-17 06:34:24 <MT`AwAy> also QBitcoin includes port randomization, and I plan to add inter-client encryption (SSL) in a later release
1094 2011-01-17 06:34:33 <andrew12> how will that work?
1095 2011-01-17 06:34:43 <MT`AwAy> andrew12, inter-client encryption ?
1096 2011-01-17 06:34:53 <andrew12> port randomization
1097 2011-01-17 06:35:02 <MT`AwAy> port randomization is already possible in current protocol
1098 2011-01-17 06:35:08 <andrew12> hmm
1099 2011-01-17 06:35:09 <dirtyfilthy> MT`AwAy: looking forward to your client release, hopefully it will make making my android client a bit easier
1100 2011-01-17 06:35:10 <MT`AwAy> client exchange ip/port pairs
1101 2011-01-17 06:35:13 <andrew12> oh
1102 2011-01-17 06:35:27 <MT`AwAy> it's just a matter of sending a different port
1103 2011-01-17 06:35:28 <andrew12> I'm assuming you're doing UPnP too?
1104 2011-01-17 06:35:37 <tcatm> dirtyfilthy: oh you're working on an android client?
1105 2011-01-17 06:35:39 <MT`AwAy> I'll try, I found some code so it should be fine
1106 2011-01-17 06:35:45 <andrew12> good :)
1107 2011-01-17 06:35:49 <luke-jr> dirtyfilthy: tcatm has a working Android client :P
1108 2011-01-17 06:36:03 <dirtyfilthy> tcatm: sweet! is it released?
1109 2011-01-17 06:36:12 <MT`AwAy> also inter-client encryption will be implemented by throwing a ssl handshake at the socket
1110 2011-01-17 06:36:13 <andrew12> it's js :P
1111 2011-01-17 06:36:14 <tcatm> well I'm waiting for boost to compile but after that I'll have a full bitcoind on android
1112 2011-01-17 06:36:17 <MT`AwAy> legacy clients will ignore it
1113 2011-01-17 06:36:18 <andrew12> oh
1114 2011-01-17 06:36:24 <MT`AwAy> new client will handshake and start ssl
1115 2011-01-17 06:36:26 <andrew12> tcatm: i'm interested :P
1116 2011-01-17 06:36:43 <andrew12> "Send bitcoins to my phone!"
1117 2011-01-17 06:36:44 <tcatm> dirtyfilthy: only UI (javascript) for now. http://tcatm.github.com/bitcoin-js-remote/
1118 2011-01-17 06:37:17 <dirtyfilthy> i'm working on a pure java implementation, i got the networking stuff down and i'm working on the core block/tx validation stuff now
1119 2011-01-17 06:37:52 <andrew12> dirtyfilthy: will it be able to generate? :P
1120 2011-01-17 06:38:04 <tcatm> I'll just stuff js-remote into a webview, add bitcoind binary with -datadir=/sdcard/bitcoin and put everything into a nice package
1121 2011-01-17 06:38:05 <dirtyfilthy> having another client codebase to look at would make my life much much easier
1122 2011-01-17 06:38:14 <dirtyfilthy> andrew12: no :P
1123 2011-01-17 06:38:20 <tcatm> dirtyfilthy: look at half-client
1124 2011-01-17 06:38:39 <dirtyfilthy> i'm not planning on having it rebroadcast anything either
1125 2011-01-17 06:38:51 <andrew12> tcatm: let me know when you have a bitcoind binary. i want to try it :p
1126 2011-01-17 06:39:12 * andrew12 has a rooted droid
1127 2011-01-17 06:39:15 <tcatm> andrew12: could take a few hours. boost is a lot of code to compile
1128 2011-01-17 06:39:34 <tcatm> (= 37 MB tarbz2)
1129 2011-01-17 06:39:39 <andrew12> hmm
1130 2011-01-17 06:39:50 <andrew12> how fast is your pc?
1131 2011-01-17 06:39:57 <dirtyfilthy> tcatm: what is half-client?
1132 2011-01-17 06:40:01 <tcatm> 1.6 GHz
1133 2011-01-17 06:40:11 <tcatm> dirtyfilthy: a half python client written by ArtForz
1134 2011-01-17 06:40:14 <andrew12> I could let you compile on my mac.. it's not that good but it might be better than what you've got
1135 2011-01-17 06:40:21 <necrodearia> Anyone familiar with DiabloMiner? http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1721.msg38853#msg38853
1136 2011-01-17 06:40:28 <tcatm> andrew12: I have a quadcore
1137 2011-01-17 06:40:30 <andrew12> oh
1138 2011-01-17 06:40:35 <andrew12> psh nevermind :p
1139 2011-01-17 06:40:35 <dirtyfilthy> tcatm: where do i find this?
1140 2011-01-17 06:40:37 <tcatm> But I'm too lazy to turn it on :)
1141 2011-01-17 06:40:50 <andrew12> you'd rather wait hours than turn on your quad core
1142 2011-01-17 06:40:54 <andrew12> ?
1143 2011-01-17 06:40:55 <andrew12> lol
1144 2011-01-17 06:40:56 <tcatm> dirtyfilthy: http://pastebin.com/JZM6Hemt
1145 2011-01-17 06:41:39 <tcatm> andrew12: yep. it somehow stopped to respont to wake-on-lan packets
1146 2011-01-17 06:41:48 <andrew12> ooh, public-domain
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1148 2011-01-17 06:42:08 <dirtyfilthy> tcatm: thanks
1149 2011-01-17 06:42:38 <tcatm> dirtyfilthy: usage example: http://pastebin.com/LsSebetx
1150 2011-01-17 06:42:56 <andrew12> grrr
1151 2011-01-17 06:43:00 <andrew12> why do I always find myself doing /list
1152 2011-01-17 06:43:41 <tcatm> I once used a script that showed the nicklist when I typed "ls" (without /)
1153 2011-01-17 06:43:57 <tcatm> Was quite annoying when I stopped using that script...
1154 2011-01-17 06:44:40 <andrew12> no, I mean I do /list without realizing that all it's going to do is freeze my client for a few seconds and give me a huge list of channels
1155 2011-01-17 06:45:08 <andrew12> but i guess that's freenode :p
1156 2011-01-17 06:45:25 <andrew12> alis helps though
1157 2011-01-17 06:46:13 <dirtyfilthy> tcatm: ah yeah, that's basically the same point i'm at, can connect to network and listen to packets, doesn't really do anything with them yet
1158 2011-01-17 06:47:20 <tcatm> dirtyfilthy: I have a working blockchain class somewhere. Should be easy to add. bitcointools adds very basic script support so you could send and receive standard TX.
1159 2011-01-17 06:48:00 <tcatm> ... away for about 5 hours
1160 2011-01-17 06:48:28 <andrew12> =[
1161 2011-01-17 06:49:14 <dirtyfilthy> tcatm: thanks for the help
1162 2011-01-17 06:51:32 <andrew12> /scid -a /ame runs naked through all the channels
1163 2011-01-17 06:52:00 <necrodearia> tcatm: I see you removed +m from #bitcoin-monitor. How come?
1164 2011-01-17 06:52:14 <andrew12> the bot isn't +v
1165 2011-01-17 06:52:24 <andrew12> also <@tcatm> ... away for about 5 hours
1166 2011-01-17 06:53:48 <andrew12> i should write a half client in ruby for fun
1167 2011-01-17 06:53:52 <necrodearia> #bc-news seems rather underpopulated
1168 2011-01-17 06:54:45 <kiba> hmm
1169 2011-01-17 06:54:53 <kiba> yesterday, there were 104 users online at the same time
1170 2011-01-17 06:55:15 <andrew12> how do you know this?
1171 2011-01-17 06:55:33 <andrew12> or do you mean 104 connections?
1172 2011-01-17 06:55:44 <kiba> 104 users online at the same time
1173 2011-01-17 06:55:58 <kiba> have you take a careful look at the forum?
1174 2011-01-17 06:56:02 <kiba> the stats is down at the bottom
1175 2011-01-17 06:56:17 <andrew12> oh, on the forum
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1177 2011-01-17 06:56:48 <andrew12> i thought you meant with bitcoin client open
1178 2011-01-17 06:56:51 <kiba> we tied last month
1179 2011-01-17 06:56:56 <andrew12> be interesting to find that out :p
1180 2011-01-17 06:57:32 <kiba> it's a big forum community
1181 2011-01-17 06:58:39 <andrew12^mac> yeah, i can't get myself to use forums that much
1182 2011-01-17 06:58:51 <andrew12^mac> --unfortunately :(
1183 2011-01-17 06:59:30 <kiba> if you want jobs, you ask for them
1184 2011-01-17 06:59:34 <kiba> ask, and you shall receive
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1187 2011-01-17 07:34:14 <andrew12> ;;bc,poolstats
1188 2011-01-17 07:34:15 <gribble> {"round_probability": 33.399999999999999, "hashes_ps": 18628919935, "shares": 7495, "active_workers": 615, "round_duration": "0:28:48", "round_started": "2011-01-17 07:01:09", "getwork_ps": 109}
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1190 2011-01-17 07:34:57 <andrew12> 18,628,919,935 .. 18Ghash/s?
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1192 2011-01-17 07:41:05 <andrew12> ;;bc,calc 18628919
1193 2011-01-17 07:41:06 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 18628919 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 1 hour, 10 minutes, and 50 seconds
1194 2011-01-17 07:41:17 <andrew12> hmm
1195 2011-01-17 07:41:27 <andrew12> ;;bc,calc 18628919935
1196 2011-01-17 07:41:28 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 18628919935 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 4 seconds
1197 2011-01-17 07:41:30 <andrew12> lol
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1199 2011-01-17 07:43:25 <andrew12> ;;bc,calcd 500 0
1200 2011-01-17 07:43:25 <gribble> Error: float division
1201 2011-01-17 07:43:29 <andrew12> ;;bc,calcd 500 1
1202 2011-01-17 07:43:29 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 500 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 2 hours, 23 minutes, and 9 seconds
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1204 2011-01-17 07:44:03 <dishwara> hi hi hi
1205 2011-01-17 07:44:06 <andrew12> lo lo lo
1206 2011-01-17 07:44:10 <dishwara> i hope anyone will help me
1207 2011-01-17 07:44:28 <dishwara> i have nvidia 9400GT graphics card
1208 2011-01-17 07:44:38 <dishwara> with latest drivers 260.99
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1210 2011-01-17 07:45:20 <dishwara> i saw in a site that for ati, they have ati stream sdk 2.3 something which increasess hashes
1211 2011-01-17 07:45:33 <dishwara> is there anything there for CUDA?
1212 2011-01-17 07:46:01 <andrew12> you mean a miner for cuda? sure
1213 2011-01-17 07:46:37 <dishwara> no i already using various miners
1214 2011-01-17 07:46:52 <dishwara> rpc seems my fav
1215 2011-01-17 07:46:57 <dishwara> http://developer.nvidia.com/object/cuda_3_2_downloads.html#Windows XP, Windows Vista and Windows7
1216 2011-01-17 07:47:16 <nevezen> I don't think you need that
1217 2011-01-17 07:47:22 <dishwara> what i have to download to increase my mining speed for CUDA
1218 2011-01-17 07:47:35 <andrew12> dishwara: you can't just download something to mine faster
1219 2011-01-17 07:47:39 <dishwara> i use cpu only, coz using cuda makes my system slow
1220 2011-01-17 07:47:40 <nevezen> haha
1221 2011-01-17 07:47:59 <andrew12> dishwara: then what's the point of even using cuda?....
1222 2011-01-17 07:48:05 <dishwara> in 2 thread it mines at 2000+khas
1223 2011-01-17 07:48:20 <dishwara> in 4 thread it mines at 4000+khas
1224 2011-01-17 07:48:27 <andrew12> go figure.
1225 2011-01-17 07:48:41 <dishwara> but if use cuda it is always 2000+ & also slows sytem
1226 2011-01-17 07:49:00 <andrew12> dishwara: if you don't want your system to be slow I don't suggest you touch any miners
1227 2011-01-17 07:49:04 <dishwara> thats why i am asking help
1228 2011-01-17 07:49:04 <nevezen> then don't use CUDA
1229 2011-01-17 07:50:00 <dishwara> if there is ati stream sdk to make ati card mine more
1230 2011-01-17 07:50:08 <dishwara> then what for cuda?
1231 2011-01-17 07:50:14 <nevezen> nothing
1232 2011-01-17 07:51:00 <dishwara> nevezen: u saying there is nothing to help cuda to mine more?
1233 2011-01-17 07:51:10 <andrew12> dishwara: nope.
1234 2011-01-17 07:51:21 <nevezen> you can try an openCL gpu client
1235 2011-01-17 07:51:56 <andrew12> installing things won't get you more hashes/s. the only thing you can do tbh is try different miners
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1237 2011-01-17 07:52:18 <nevezen> you can try overclocking your hardware.
1238 2011-01-17 07:52:41 <dishwara> i tried all the four miners in mining.bitcoin.cc
1239 2011-01-17 07:52:51 <andrew12> dishwara: .cz
1240 2011-01-17 07:52:57 <dishwara> rpcminer works good
1241 2011-01-17 07:53:09 <dishwara> all works same only atleast to me
1242 2011-01-17 07:53:15 <andrew12> which one? xD
1243 2011-01-17 07:53:22 <dishwara> & opencl fails on my card
1244 2011-01-17 07:53:22 <gribble> Error: "opencl" is not a valid command.
1245 2011-01-17 07:53:25 <andrew12> they're all rpc miners :P
1246 2011-01-17 07:55:05 <dishwara> i use puddipons, m0mchils & jgarzik
1247 2011-01-17 07:55:20 <dishwara> puddions i mean rpc miner
1248 2011-01-17 07:55:46 <dishwara> puddionpops
1249 2011-01-17 07:56:50 <andrew12> puddinpop's*
1250 2011-01-17 07:57:11 <dishwara> s
1251 2011-01-17 07:57:50 <dishwara> so no sdk to improve cuda, coz a guy mentioned he went from 2000+ to 30000 after ati stream sdk
1252 2011-01-17 07:57:57 <andrew12> no
1253 2011-01-17 07:58:27 <nevezen> how many hash/s do you get for your nvidia card, using any gpu miner?
1254 2011-01-17 07:58:52 <dishwara> if i use cuda i get around 1900+
1255 2011-01-17 07:59:03 <dishwara> if cpu then 2 thread 2000+
1256 2011-01-17 07:59:10 <nevezen> 1900+ what?
1257 2011-01-17 07:59:12 <dishwara> 4 thread 3500+
1258 2011-01-17 07:59:16 <dishwara> khash
1259 2011-01-17 07:59:26 <dishwara> 2000khash
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1261 2011-01-17 07:59:30 <nevezen> but that's cpu. I'm asking for GPU speed..
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1263 2011-01-17 07:59:58 <dishwara> for gpu , i get 1900khash
1264 2011-01-17 08:00:02 <dishwara> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2444.msg38652#msg38652
1265 2011-01-17 08:00:22 <nevezen> I think you're doing something wrong
1266 2011-01-17 08:00:36 <nevezen> I get 25000 kh/s on my 8800GT
1267 2011-01-17 08:01:22 <dishwara> oh
1268 2011-01-17 08:02:20 <dishwara> rpcminer-cuda.exe -gpu -url=http://mining.bitcoin.cz:8332 -user=##### -password=#####
1269 2011-01-17 08:02:30 <dishwara> i sue this cmd
1270 2011-01-17 08:02:53 <dishwara> 9400GT
1271 2011-01-17 08:03:13 <nevezen> if it doesn't work, try something else
1272 2011-01-17 08:03:25 <nevezen> I use m0mchil's gpu miner
1273 2011-01-17 08:11:40 <dishwara> ok, can u please give me cmd to use poclbm?
1274 2011-01-17 08:13:30 <nevezen> rtfm
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1278 2011-01-17 08:21:09 <dishwara> will it work??? poclbm.exe -d0 --host=http://mining.bitcoin.cz --port=8332 --user=#### --pass=####
1279 2011-01-17 08:21:16 <dishwara> is it right?
1280 2011-01-17 08:22:33 <dishwara> i got this error
1281 2011-01-17 08:22:35 <dishwara> Traceback (most recent call last): File "poclbm.py", line 31, in <module> File "BitcoinMiner.pyc", line 90, in mine File "BitcoinMiner.pyc", line 76, in getwork File "jsonrpc\proxy.pyc", line 42, in __call__ File "urllib.pyc", line 89, in urlopen File "urllib.pyc", line 208, in open File "urllib.pyc", line 334, in open_http File "httplib.pyc", line 1008, in __init__ File "httplib.pyc", line 656, in __init__
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1283 2011-01-17 08:23:51 <nevezen> omit http://
1284 2011-01-17 08:24:33 <dishwara> poclbm.exe: error: no such option: --hostmining.bitcoin.cz
1285 2011-01-17 08:24:47 <nevezen> you forgot the =
1286 2011-01-17 08:25:13 <dishwara> s, sorry
1287 2011-01-17 08:27:35 <dishwara> gives 2300+ khash/s without system slow down
1288 2011-01-17 08:28:08 <andrew12> =]
1289 2011-01-17 08:29:36 <dishwara> but 9400GT only can give 2000+ khash/s? only
1290 2011-01-17 08:30:11 <andrew12> only 2000khash/s? i only get 500khash/s on my pc
1291 2011-01-17 08:31:53 <dishwara> nevezen gets 25000khash/s on 8800GT
1292 2011-01-17 08:32:08 <dishwara> some thing wrong , that i want to correct
1293 2011-01-17 08:32:47 <nevezen> do you have the latest drivers?
1294 2011-01-17 08:32:56 <nevezen> iirc, they're 260.99
1295 2011-01-17 08:33:00 <dishwara> s, using 260.99
1296 2011-01-17 08:34:11 <dishwara> Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate, 32-bit DirectX version: 11.0 GPU processor: GeForce 9400 GT Driver version: 260.99 CUDA Cores: 16 Core clock: 550 MHz Shader clock: 1350 MHz Memory clock: 266 MHz (532 MHz data rate) Memory interface: 128-bit Total available graphics memory: 2302 MB Dedicated video memory: 1024 MB DDR2 System video memory: 0 MB Shared system memory: 1278 MB Video BIOS version: 62.94.46.00.AA IR
1297 2011-01-17 08:34:44 <nevezen> isn't the 9400 series the low end?
1298 2011-01-17 08:34:59 <dishwara> i dont know
1299 2011-01-17 08:36:19 <dishwara> seems 9400 entry level
1300 2011-01-17 08:36:40 <dishwara> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_9_Series
1301 2011-01-17 08:37:52 <nevezen> I believe m0mchil's gpu miner utilizes opencl
1302 2011-01-17 08:39:40 <sipa1024> yes
1303 2011-01-17 08:40:18 <dishwara> is opengl & opencl r differtn?
1304 2011-01-17 08:40:27 <sipa1024> yes
1305 2011-01-17 08:40:33 <dishwara> coz 9400gt supports opengl 3.3
1306 2011-01-17 08:40:45 <sipa1024> opengl is for graphics
1307 2011-01-17 08:41:08 <dishwara> opencl is 1.0 for 9400gt
1308 2011-01-17 08:41:16 <sipa1024> opencl and cuda for generic computation
1309 2011-01-17 08:41:26 <dishwara> found using gpu shark
1310 2011-01-17 08:42:22 <dishwara> ok, what i can do furhter to increase khash/s?
1311 2011-01-17 08:42:42 <sipa1024> buy an ati card
1312 2011-01-17 08:43:01 <dishwara> lol, i mean in my card
1313 2011-01-17 08:43:17 <dishwara> pls, if u have any ideas or suggestions give
1314 2011-01-17 08:43:59 <dishwara> [Noodles]: hi
1315 2011-01-17 08:43:59 <sipa1024> the wiki says you can get up to 3.4Mh/s
1316 2011-01-17 08:44:13 <sipa1024> on a 9400gt
1317 2011-01-17 08:44:14 <dishwara> but how?
1318 2011-01-17 08:44:27 <nevezen> I think it's just because the 9400GT is an entry level card
1319 2011-01-17 08:44:28 <dishwara> can u give me link of the wiki?
1320 2011-01-17 08:44:38 <nevezen> A max of 16 stream processors
1321 2011-01-17 08:44:50 <nevezen> compared to an 8800GT's 112
1322 2011-01-17 08:45:04 <nevezen> but it might be totally irrelevant
1323 2011-01-17 08:45:22 <sipa1024> that is very relevant
1324 2011-01-17 08:46:10 <dishwara> pls give me the link of wiki, coz i see many wiki
1325 2011-01-17 08:46:36 <dishwara> [Noodles]: hi
1326 2011-01-17 08:46:43 <nevezen> just look for 8800GT on wikipedia
1327 2011-01-17 08:46:47 <nevezen> there's a chart
1328 2011-01-17 08:46:57 <sipa1024> bitcoin.org -> wiki -> mining -> hardware comparison
1329 2011-01-17 08:47:18 <sipa1024> it has a nice table
1330 2011-01-17 08:48:07 <nevezen> glad to know that my 8800GT is still a monster in some ways :)
1331 2011-01-17 08:48:56 <sipa1024> but nvidia cards in general are weak for bitcoin mining
1332 2011-01-17 08:49:55 <dishwara> s, it is there, but why not even getting close to m
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1334 2011-01-17 08:50:36 <sipa1024> you get 2Mh/s?
1335 2011-01-17 08:50:52 <andrew12> nn
1336 2011-01-17 08:51:36 <sipa1024> try -d 1
1337 2011-01-17 08:52:02 <sipa1024> when calling poclbm
1338 2011-01-17 08:52:50 <dishwara> i have only one card
1339 2011-01-17 08:52:59 <sipa1024> i know
1340 2011-01-17 08:52:59 <nevezen> yeah, default is 0
1341 2011-01-17 08:53:13 <sipa1024> but 0 can be the cpu
1342 2011-01-17 08:53:28 <nevezen> so stream processors are relevant. Your card just isn't good enough
1343 2011-01-17 08:53:38 <dishwara> device not found
1344 2011-01-17 08:53:46 <dishwara> with d1
1345 2011-01-17 08:53:49 <sipa1024> ok, too bad
1346 2011-01-17 08:54:10 <sipa1024> you can try different worjgroup sizes
1347 2011-01-17 08:54:13 <nevezen> where did you get the idea that stream processors were the culprit, sipa?
1348 2011-01-17 08:54:38 <sipa1024> it's just a weak card
1349 2011-01-17 08:54:42 <dishwara> how to set wrokgrp size?
1350 2011-01-17 08:55:10 <sipa1024> -w 16 or so
1351 2011-01-17 08:55:18 <dishwara> i understand week, but want to try as much before throwing out
1352 2011-01-17 08:55:25 <sipa1024> sure
1353 2011-01-17 08:55:27 <nevezen> poclbm -h
1354 2011-01-17 08:55:31 <nevezen> should list all commands
1355 2011-01-17 08:55:33 <andrew12^mac> ^^
1356 2011-01-17 08:55:48 * andrew12^mac makes popcorn
1357 2011-01-17 08:56:06 <sipa1024> but it probably wont be worth the electricity it requires
1358 2011-01-17 08:57:08 <andrew12^mac> it is if you run a farm
1359 2011-01-17 08:57:54 <dishwara> for w16 i get 800+, for w32 i get 1500+, for w256 i get 2400+khash/s
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1361 2011-01-17 08:59:19 <nevezen> try 512
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1363 2011-01-17 08:59:33 <nevezen> you've got 1 gig of video memory right?
1364 2011-01-17 08:59:45 <dishwara> s
1365 2011-01-17 08:59:58 <dishwara> wow
1366 2011-01-17 09:00:30 <dishwara> i got 4119770683 khash/s for 512 & pocblm crashed
1367 2011-01-17 09:00:57 <kiba> my sis will be amazed that I earned my living using a cryptocurrency
1368 2011-01-17 09:00:57 <nevezen> haha, so 256 is your max
1369 2011-01-17 09:01:04 <dishwara> unbelievable
1370 2011-01-17 09:01:04 <kiba> especially when I demonstrate an economic exchange
1371 2011-01-17 09:01:06 <kiba> err
1372 2011-01-17 09:01:09 <kiba> currency exchange
1373 2011-01-17 09:01:13 <kiba> into dollars
1374 2011-01-17 09:01:15 <kiba> MUHAHAHAHAHAH
1375 2011-01-17 09:01:26 <nevezen> I tried explaining bitcoin to my accounting major friend..
1376 2011-01-17 09:01:44 <kiba> how did it goes?
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1378 2011-01-17 09:01:57 <nevezen> he tells it's doomed to fail because of lack of credibility
1379 2011-01-17 09:02:05 <kiba> WTF?
1380 2011-01-17 09:02:24 <nevezen> meaning he trusts more in the government than a piece of software
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1382 2011-01-17 09:02:29 <kiba> LOL
1383 2011-01-17 09:02:38 <andrew12> theymos \o/
1384 2011-01-17 09:02:53 <kiba> man, it's 4 AM over here
1385 2011-01-17 09:02:56 <kiba> I should go to sleep
1386 2011-01-17 09:03:16 <nevezen> try playing around with the frames setting dishwara
1387 2011-01-17 09:03:24 <dishwara> sure
1388 2011-01-17 09:03:29 <dishwara> trying 260
1389 2011-01-17 09:03:37 <nevezen> with the right value, it should make your system more responsive
1390 2011-01-17 09:04:08 <andrew12> ;;bc,calc 4119770683
1391 2011-01-17 09:04:09 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 4119770683 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 19 seconds
1392 2011-01-17 09:04:38 <dishwara> lol, mine runs for 5 secs before crash
1393 2011-01-17 09:05:51 <nevezen> don't be disallusioned with mining. Even at 22MH/s in a pool, you'd probably only get 1BTC a day
1394 2011-01-17 09:06:17 <nevezen> not a good pay off compared to people who almost run server farms :)
1395 2011-01-17 09:06:40 <dishwara> i understand, coz many r mining with bulldozers, while i am trying with shovel
1396 2011-01-17 09:06:51 <andrew12> err
1397 2011-01-17 09:07:00 <andrew12> a bulldozer wouldn't do much
1398 2011-01-17 09:07:11 <andrew12> would just go smash everything
1399 2011-01-17 09:07:12 <andrew12> :p
1400 2011-01-17 09:07:27 <andrew12> but good analogy :P
1401 2011-01-17 09:08:22 <nevezen> been gpu mining for four straight days and night now.. and total accumulating btc is <5
1402 2011-01-17 09:08:43 <nevezen> not that I'm complaining
1403 2011-01-17 09:08:57 <nevezen> gn
1404 2011-01-17 09:09:09 <dishwara> thats why i go for exchange
1405 2011-01-17 09:09:09 * andrew12 follows suit
1406 2011-01-17 09:09:28 <dishwara> noodles exchange btc for lindens
1407 2011-01-17 09:09:46 <dishwara> but she/he not responding
1408 2011-01-17 09:09:53 <dishwara> have to buy 20btc
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1410 2011-01-17 09:14:16 <johnyh> dishwara: pm me
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1412 2011-01-17 09:16:24 <dishwara> pm sent, using web irc
1413 2011-01-17 09:16:42 <kiba> hmm
1414 2011-01-17 09:16:56 <kiba> bitcoinservice.co.uk seem to be the last bitcoin download site standing
1415 2011-01-17 09:17:28 <andrew12> it costs money to run a website for file hosting you know :P
1416 2011-01-17 09:17:53 <kiba> his is a stagnating downloading site
1417 2011-01-17 09:18:29 <dishwara> johnyh: did u get my pm?
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1428 2011-01-17 11:01:04 <necrodearia> "We take just 10% or 0.01bitcoins from your balance when you withdraw." What does that mean?
1429 2011-01-17 11:01:29 <necrodearia> e.g. if I set price to 1.0 bitcoin, will 0.1 bitcoins be taken or 0.01 bitcoins?
1430 2011-01-17 11:01:54 <Diablo-D3> necrodearia: 0.1 minimum
1431 2011-01-17 11:02:00 <necrodearia> mm
1432 2011-01-17 11:02:32 <Diablo-D3> he should either say 0.01 minimum, or "whichever is greater"
1433 2011-01-17 11:02:56 <necrodearia> Yeah, especially clarifying 0.01btc vs 0.1btc
1434 2011-01-17 11:03:16 <Diablo-D3> pretty sure its 0.01
1435 2011-01-17 11:03:24 <Diablo-D3> wait
1436 2011-01-17 11:03:26 <Diablo-D3> what?
1437 2011-01-17 11:03:29 <necrodearia> ^_^
1438 2011-01-17 11:03:35 <Diablo-D3> if you have 1 btc
1439 2011-01-17 11:03:37 <Diablo-D3> 10% of that is 0.1
1440 2011-01-17 11:03:40 <necrodearia> yes
1441 2011-01-17 11:03:43 <Diablo-D3> ergo
1442 2011-01-17 11:03:47 <Diablo-D3> thats what he takes
1443 2011-01-17 11:03:56 <necrodearia> or 0.01btc ^_^
1444 2011-01-17 11:04:07 <Diablo-D3> maybe he flips a coin?
1445 2011-01-17 11:04:09 <necrodearia> yeah
1446 2011-01-17 11:04:25 <necrodearia> 'good luck' catchline possibly
1447 2011-01-17 11:04:39 <necrodearia> risk catchphrase
1448 2011-01-17 11:04:44 <necrodearia> s/risk //
1449 2011-01-17 11:04:45 <Diablo-D3> well
1450 2011-01-17 11:04:51 <Diablo-D3> you could withdraw in sub 1btc amounts
1451 2011-01-17 11:05:02 <necrodearia> withdraw in 0.01btc amounts ^_^
1452 2011-01-17 11:05:16 Bth8 has joined
1453 2011-01-17 11:07:01 <necrodearia> Diablo-D3, http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1721.msg38853#msg38853
1454 2011-01-17 11:07:41 <Diablo-D3> what version of cat?
1455 2011-01-17 11:07:57 <necrodearia> hmm
1456 2011-01-17 11:08:20 <necrodearia> stupid question I'm sure, but /bin/cat? what does cat stand for?
1457 2011-01-17 11:08:55 <lfm> short for concatenate
1458 2011-01-17 11:09:01 <necrodearia> cat (GNU coreutils) 8.7 ^_^
1459 2011-01-17 11:09:33 <lfm> its what it does to multiple files named on the command line
1460 2011-01-17 11:09:39 <necrodearia> lfm, mm, I see. I thought it was in reference to something other than that
1461 2011-01-17 11:09:44 * necrodearia nods
1462 2011-01-17 11:10:04 <lfm> its not catelog
1463 2011-01-17 11:11:35 <Diablo-D3> necrodearia: catalyst
1464 2011-01-17 11:11:39 <necrodearia> ah
1465 2011-01-17 11:11:47 * Diablo-D3 smacks lfm
1466 2011-01-17 11:11:53 <necrodearia> ati-drivers 10.11
1467 2011-01-17 11:12:29 <Diablo-D3> also, why are you using 2.3?
1468 2011-01-17 11:12:30 <Diablo-D3> use 2.1
1469 2011-01-17 11:12:50 <necrodearia> hmm, I didn't know using older version was required
1470 2011-01-17 11:13:02 <Diablo-D3> for maximum speed, yes.
1471 2011-01-17 11:13:18 <Diablo-D3> also, I dont think 2.3 works on earlier than 10.12 anyhow
1472 2011-01-17 11:13:42 <Diablo-D3> Im not sure why that effects you though... you're on a 4850
1473 2011-01-17 11:13:53 <Diablo-D3> I used 2.3 on my 4850 and it worked under 10.11
1474 2011-01-17 11:13:54 <lfm> use old sdk, current catalyst
1475 2011-01-17 11:14:00 <Diablo-D3> lfm: yes
1476 2011-01-17 11:14:06 <Diablo-D3> at least, anything newer than 10.9
1477 2011-01-17 11:14:11 <Diablo-D3> or maybe 8
1478 2011-01-17 11:15:13 <necrodearia> dling 2.1
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1480 2011-01-17 11:19:12 <lfm> i tried 2.3 it worked ok but it was a lot slower than 2.1
1481 2011-01-17 11:19:22 <Diablo-D3> yes it is
1482 2011-01-17 11:19:24 <necrodearia> hmm sh: /bin/x86_64/clc: No such file or directory
1483 2011-01-17 11:19:28 <Diablo-D3> which is why people should use 2.1
1484 2011-01-17 11:19:33 <Diablo-D3> necrodearia: your path is fucked
1485 2011-01-17 11:19:37 * necrodearia checks
1486 2011-01-17 11:19:56 <Diablo-D3> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/ati-stream/ati-stream-sdk-v2.1-lnx64/lib/x86_64/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
1487 2011-01-17 11:20:33 <Diablo-D3> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/ati-stream-sdk-v2.1-lnx64/lib/x86_64/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
1488 2011-01-17 11:20:36 <Diablo-D3> *cough*
1489 2011-01-17 11:24:00 <necrodearia> Where is /bin/x86_64/clc from? The path for me is /usr/bin/clc64
1490 2011-01-17 11:24:32 <Diablo-D3> its missing the rest of the path
1491 2011-01-17 11:25:18 <Diablo-D3> its path/to/ati-stream-sdk-v2.1-lnx64/bin/x86_64/clc
1492 2011-01-17 11:25:52 <necrodearia> For my gentoo system using gentoo ebuild for ati-stream-sdk-bin, the binary is /usr/bin/clc64
1493 2011-01-17 11:26:07 <Diablo-D3> er
1494 2011-01-17 11:26:12 <Diablo-D3> dodnt use that faggoty shit
1495 2011-01-17 11:26:16 <Diablo-D3> no wonder your shits broke
1496 2011-01-17 11:26:22 <Diablo-D3> use ati's tarball for stream sdk
1497 2011-01-17 11:26:45 <Diablo-D3> fucking moronic gentoo users
1498 2011-01-17 11:27:20 <lfm> hehe
1499 2011-01-17 11:27:25 <necrodearia> The ebuild used the tarball as a source, but also this fucking moronic gentoo users-established faggoty shit that broke mah shit: http://bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=249938
1500 2011-01-17 11:28:04 <Diablo-D3> and why the fuck doesnt gentoo fix their fucking ssl cert
1501 2011-01-17 11:28:14 <theymos> Is the library path incorrect in your existing LD_LIBRARY_PATH or ld.so.conf?
1502 2011-01-17 11:28:26 <Diablo-D3> theymos: they took the tarball apart
1503 2011-01-17 11:28:28 <Diablo-D3> no wonder it doesnt work
1504 2011-01-17 11:28:50 <necrodearia> I'll make a symlink for now
1505 2011-01-17 11:28:58 <Diablo-D3> necrodearia: no, no fucking symlinks
1506 2011-01-17 11:29:07 <necrodearia> just for the binary
1507 2011-01-17 11:29:09 <Diablo-D3> just follow the fucking instructions as AMD laid them out.
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1509 2011-01-17 11:31:04 <necrodearia> mm, apparently the fucking symlink didn't help much: http://pastebin.com/H0uMr9jE - I'll follow the fucking instructions that AMD laid
1510 2011-01-17 11:31:53 <lfm> necro ya try setting the env
1511 2011-01-17 11:32:15 <Diablo-D3> necrodearia: all you do is untar the tarball
1512 2011-01-17 11:32:22 <Diablo-D3> and DONT DO ANYTHING WITH IT
1513 2011-01-17 11:32:34 <Diablo-D3> then take the icd-registration.tgz, untar that in / as root
1514 2011-01-17 11:32:45 <Diablo-D3> and then export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/ati-stream-sdk-v2.1-lnx64/lib/x86_64/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
1515 2011-01-17 11:32:49 <Diablo-D3> thats _all_ you have to do
1516 2011-01-17 11:37:52 <necrodearia> Yay, fucking thanks Diablo-D3!
1517 2011-01-17 11:38:36 <necrodearia> btw, sorry if my fucking swearing seems a tad fucking bit forced, I was trying to FUCKING FIT IN! whoa! too much energiez
1518 2011-01-17 11:38:53 <Diablo-D3> noob.
1519 2011-01-17 11:38:59 * necrodearia nods and sulks
1520 2011-01-17 11:39:11 <kiba> how is pizza4BTC going
1521 2011-01-17 11:39:15 <Diablo-D3> btw, as a side note, use -w 64
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1523 2011-01-17 11:39:26 <Diablo-D3> you should be getting ~75mhash out of your card
1524 2011-01-17 11:41:14 <necrodearia> Just under 70khash, but my system has noticeably slowed down
1525 2011-01-17 11:41:29 <necrodearia> 70mhash
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1527 2011-01-17 11:43:32 <necrodearia> -w 64 shows ~42mhash
1528 2011-01-17 11:44:04 <necrodearia> Ah, increased to 68mhash
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1530 2011-01-17 11:44:40 <Diablo-D3> your system sounds like it sucks
1531 2011-01-17 11:44:47 <Diablo-D3> are you sure you're using 2.1?
1532 2011-01-17 11:45:05 <Diablo-D3> you unemerged gentoo's shit right?
1533 2011-01-17 11:45:44 <molec> I'm seeing a "radeon 5970 hemlock/DUAL-GPU" on ebay for â¬500. From the photo it looks like that's actually 2 cards in one case. The "normal" hd5970 uses only only slot, right?
1534 2011-01-17 11:46:03 <Diablo-D3> molec: its a double wide slot.
1535 2011-01-17 11:46:28 <lfm> just plugs in to one slot ya
1536 2011-01-17 11:46:51 <molec> ok
1537 2011-01-17 11:47:04 <necrodearia> yeah, unemerged
1538 2011-01-17 11:47:07 <molec> interpreted the photo wrongly. looked like it actually used 2 connectors at first sight
1539 2011-01-17 11:47:16 <molec> â¬500 is a bargain, right?
1540 2011-01-17 11:48:20 <lfm> if its still good ya
1541 2011-01-17 11:48:27 <molec> it's new
1542 2011-01-17 11:48:37 <Diablo-D3> thats not that bad actually
1543 2011-01-17 11:48:59 <molec> http://cgi.ebay.de/NEU-2048MB-DDR5-ATi-Radeon-HD-5970-Hemlock-DUAL-GPU-/250756868439?pt=DE_Elektronik_Computer_Computer_Graphikkarten&hash=item3a62462957#ht_6423wt_862
1544 2011-01-17 11:49:09 <molec> anything wrong with that thing?
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1548 2011-01-17 11:53:46 <molec> hm, "xfx radeon hd5970" for 462,90â¬, 5 in stock
1549 2011-01-17 11:54:01 <Diablo-D3> eww xfx
1550 2011-01-17 11:54:13 <molec> will I run into problems with xfx?
1551 2011-01-17 11:54:59 <lfm> oh 500 euro. thats regular price then isnt it about 650
1552 2011-01-17 11:55:01 <xelister> molec: url?
1553 2011-01-17 11:55:12 <molec> http://cgi.ebay.de/XFX-Radeon-HD5970-Black-Edition-2048MB-DDR5-HD-5970-NEU-/350422763112?pt=DE_Elektronik_Computer_Computer_Graphikkarten&hash=item5196d30668#ht_2928wt_1070
1554 2011-01-17 11:55:42 <molec> whatever "black edition" means
1555 2011-01-17 11:55:52 <sipa1024> http://www.hoh.de/PC-Komponenten/Grafikkarten/ATI/PCIe/HD5970/Sapphire-HD-5970-2048MB-GDDR5-PCIe-Full-Retail_i9199_124724.htm
1556 2011-01-17 11:56:27 <molec> sipa1024: cool, thanks
1557 2011-01-17 11:56:52 <molec> "Chip: Hemlock XT (2x RV870)", that ok?
1558 2011-01-17 11:57:39 <lfm> ya thats a 5970
1559 2011-01-17 11:58:10 <molec> are there differing revisions of it?
1560 2011-01-17 11:58:16 <sipa1024> hardly
1561 2011-01-17 11:58:37 <lfm> rv870 isnt revision.
1562 2011-01-17 11:58:44 <sipa1024> rv870 is the gpu
1563 2011-01-17 11:58:48 <molec> ah, ok
1564 2011-01-17 11:58:51 <lfm> its a chip name
1565 2011-01-17 11:59:00 <sipa1024> there are cards with 4GiB memory instead of 2
1566 2011-01-17 11:59:11 <sipa1024> but all 5970's have the same gpu's
1567 2011-01-17 11:59:17 sipa1024 is now known as sipa
1568 2011-01-17 11:59:34 <lfm> ya maybe different memory and different fans ...
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1571 2011-01-17 11:59:48 <molec> well, a couple of megabytes of RAM will suffice ;)
1572 2011-01-17 12:00:20 <lfm> ya the memmory isnt used for bitcoin mining
1573 2011-01-17 12:00:28 <sipa> yes, you can even downclock the memory
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1575 2011-01-17 12:11:16 <necrodearia> Using DiabloMiner on a local bitcoin instance works successfully, however using Bitcoin Pooled Mining seems to fail: http://pastebin.com/ahzfhpYe
1576 2011-01-17 12:12:59 <Diablo-D3> why are you using quotes?
1577 2011-01-17 12:13:00 <Diablo-D3> dont
1578 2011-01-17 12:13:12 <Diablo-D3> and why are you using a url?
1579 2011-01-17 12:13:21 <sipa> using quotes shouldn't matter at all
1580 2011-01-17 12:13:27 <Diablo-D3> sipa: its ugly.
1581 2011-01-17 12:13:43 <Diablo-D3> necrodearia: what makes you think you can get away without reading the manual
1582 2011-01-17 12:13:51 <sipa> doesn't make it matter
1583 2011-01-17 12:14:06 <necrodearia> hmm, which manual?
1584 2011-01-17 12:14:11 <Diablo-D3> -h.
1585 2011-01-17 12:14:36 <slush> hmm, first botnet on pool
1586 2011-01-17 12:15:20 <slush> should solve this somehow. One user have 1000 workers
1587 2011-01-17 12:15:26 <necrodearia> hmm, I tried passing ip to -o also.
1588 2011-01-17 12:15:27 <slush> with ~500khash per one
1589 2011-01-17 12:15:37 <Diablo-D3> necrodearia: but you forgot the port, didnt you?
1590 2011-01-17 12:15:41 <slush> necrodearia: don't use IP
1591 2011-01-17 12:15:42 <necrodearia> nope
1592 2011-01-17 12:16:02 <Diablo-D3> ./DiabloMiner-Linux.sh -u Diablo-D3.infinity -p necrodeariasucks -o mining.bitcoin.cz -r 8332 -w 64 -f 180
1593 2011-01-17 12:16:05 <Diablo-D3> worksforme
1594 2011-01-17 12:16:13 <necrodearia> hmm
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1596 2011-01-17 12:18:12 <necrodearia> Ah, I see
1597 2011-01-17 12:18:24 <necrodearia> It either didn't like the password because it was too long or because it contained symbols
1598 2011-01-17 12:18:46 <necrodearia> Using a 20 char length alpha pass worked
1599 2011-01-17 12:19:05 <xelister> is i2p transport being worked on now?
1600 2011-01-17 12:21:06 <Diablo-D3> also
1601 2011-01-17 12:21:08 <Diablo-D3> you're a noob
1602 2011-01-17 12:21:18 <Diablo-D3> why the fuck is that pastebin's syntax highlighting set to php
1603 2011-01-17 12:21:53 necrodearia is now known as noobdearia
1604 2011-01-17 12:22:28 <sipa> slush: so someone infected 1000 pc's and doesn't even beat a radeon 4850? :)
1605 2011-01-17 12:22:54 <sipa> oh
1606 2011-01-17 12:22:54 <xelister> that is stupid, better sell it to like nigerian mafia, and use $$ for radeonz\
1607 2011-01-17 12:22:58 <sipa> a 5970
1608 2011-01-17 12:23:55 * Diablo-D3 renames noobdearia to uzzy
1609 2011-01-17 12:24:08 <sipa> please
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1611 2011-01-17 12:24:43 <Diablo-D3> uzzy and slush
1612 2011-01-17 12:24:48 <slush> sipa: exactly
1613 2011-01-17 12:25:40 <slush> sipa: server is ok, but it increase traffic a lot, so I have to solve it
1614 2011-01-17 12:26:18 <Diablo-D3> all we need is fleu
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1616 2011-01-17 12:26:46 <slush> fleu?
1617 2011-01-17 12:27:00 <Diablo-D3> ozzy, slash, and flee
1618 2011-01-17 12:27:04 <Diablo-D3> er, flea
1619 2011-01-17 12:27:05 <sipa> ;;bc,calc 500000
1620 2011-01-17 12:27:08 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 500000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 1 day, 19 hours, 59 minutes, and 38 seconds
1621 2011-01-17 12:27:21 <Diablo-D3> aka vinegar, soy sauce, and mayonnaise
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1640 2011-01-17 14:15:08 <devon_hillard> Are there people that "plant" wifi routers near free hotspots in order to get proxied traffic? Say, a couple of these things in a VPN...
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1643 2011-01-17 14:29:15 <edcba> could be an idea
1644 2011-01-17 14:30:08 <edcba> or just some relaying stuff
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1651 2011-01-17 14:44:22 <EvanR-work> stealing internet
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1653 2011-01-17 14:44:34 <EvanR-work> sounds like something from carmen sandiego
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1660 2011-01-17 14:58:39 <davout> hi
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1671 2011-01-17 15:28:37 <hundfred> sabalaba: what a nice nick
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1673 2011-01-17 15:47:30 * MT`AwAy got 435 million BTC in his virtual wallet
1674 2011-01-17 15:47:36 <MT`AwAy> guess there's a bug somewhere
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1683 2011-01-17 16:00:38 <zygf> anybody know what kind of algorithms are used to estimate an average market price, while eliminating outliers? some terms to google?
1684 2011-01-17 16:00:40 <xelister> MT`AwAy: send me half of it lol
1685 2011-01-17 16:00:59 <sipa> zygf: weighted moving average
1686 2011-01-17 16:01:15 <MT`AwAy> xelister: the transaction would not be accepted in the chain :p
1687 2011-01-17 16:01:35 <MT`AwAy> (and it got eliminated from my client too anyway)
1688 2011-01-17 16:01:54 <MT`AwAy> (anyway gotta sleep)
1689 2011-01-17 16:02:04 <MT`AwAy> (before breaking more stuff)
1690 2011-01-17 16:02:14 <zygf> sipa: thanks, how about something not time dependent though?
1691 2011-01-17 16:02:36 <zygf> I mean history-less
1692 2011-01-17 16:02:53 <Cusipzzz> zygf: vwap, volume weighted avg price
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1694 2011-01-17 16:04:51 <zygf> I don't think that'd eliminate outliers, would it? for instance there are 20000btc for sale at 0.51 on mtgox, which don't really participate in the market, just skew statistics
1695 2011-01-17 16:07:41 <sipa> zygf: it's based on past transactions, not offers, i think
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1697 2011-01-17 16:08:59 <zygf> hmm, getDepth? oh
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1701 2011-01-17 16:16:32 <kiba> so
1702 2011-01-17 16:16:41 <kiba> how many of you have read the Bitcoin Times?
1703 2011-01-17 16:19:15 <x6763> kiba: not me...got a link?
1704 2011-01-17 16:19:59 <kiba> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2355.0
1705 2011-01-17 16:20:08 <kiba> apperantly, I need to advertise things
1706 2011-01-17 16:20:14 <kiba> still need to advertise things
1707 2011-01-17 16:20:40 <x6763> ah, ok, i've seen that page listed in the forums, but i never checked it out, until now
1708 2011-01-17 16:20:50 <kiba> I was the only one who submitted an article :D
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1710 2011-01-17 16:42:57 <cdecker> Oh god that massive 20'000 BTC for 0.51$ will really stagnate the market for quite a long time should we ever get that high
1711 2011-01-17 16:46:12 <slush> it's only 10000$
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1713 2011-01-17 16:46:41 <sabalaba> how is the hash that I was given when I started my bitcoin client created? anybody know?
1714 2011-01-17 16:46:48 <kiba> the bitcoin exchange market have equalibirum and stability..and then....HUGE exchange
1715 2011-01-17 16:46:59 <slush> I believe there is much many $$$ in way to 0.5$/BTC
1716 2011-01-17 16:47:03 <kiba> price stablity collapse
1717 2011-01-17 16:47:05 <luke-jr> kiba: might I suggest a free trial edition, or perhaps cheaper trial?
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1719 2011-01-17 16:52:37 <kiba> luke-jr: ?
1720 2011-01-17 16:52:42 <kiba> ah
1721 2011-01-17 16:52:50 <kiba> luke-jr: I don't run the magazine
1722 2011-01-17 16:53:46 <niekie> slush: poke.
1723 2011-01-17 16:53:59 <presence> so do bitcoins have some intrinsic value?
1724 2011-01-17 16:54:02 <niekie> slush: they programmatically mass-registered botnet workers with your pool?
1725 2011-01-17 16:54:12 <slush> yes
1726 2011-01-17 16:54:22 <slush> I plan to add captchas to worker registration
1727 2011-01-17 16:54:35 <niekie> Was there any name pattern they used?
1728 2011-01-17 16:54:36 <edcba> presence: why ?
1729 2011-01-17 16:54:47 <niekie> For the workers.
1730 2011-01-17 16:55:00 <slush> niekie: 1000 workers under one account
1731 2011-01-17 16:55:07 <presence> This is like the gold standard...which is fine, except gold has some intrinsic values.
1732 2011-01-17 16:55:19 <edcba> you mean it's a rock
1733 2011-01-17 16:55:19 <niekie> slush: yeah. But the individual workers have names.
1734 2011-01-17 16:55:49 <presence> slush: if botnets get involved, it murks up the legality pool quite a bit
1735 2011-01-17 16:56:03 <edcba> what intrinsic value gold has ?
1736 2011-01-17 16:56:09 <sipa> jewelry
1737 2011-01-17 16:56:22 <luke-jr> kiba: oh
1738 2011-01-17 16:56:39 <luke-jr> edcba: gold is a very useful rock
1739 2011-01-17 16:56:44 <kiba> anyway, read it...
1740 2011-01-17 16:56:45 <luke-jr> it's conductive and doesn't rust
1741 2011-01-17 16:56:53 <sipa> people would pay for gold, even if it werent used aa money
1742 2011-01-17 16:56:55 <kiba> so that I have a client to freelance write for
1743 2011-01-17 16:56:56 <slush> niekie: not necessary, many users name their workers by numbers
1744 2011-01-17 16:57:08 <niekie> Ah :)
1745 2011-01-17 16:57:27 <slush> but it is highly suspicious to have 1000 workers
1746 2011-01-17 16:57:32 <niekie> Mine at least have names based on the system names they are running on. :)
1747 2011-01-17 16:57:41 <niekie> Yeah, kind of :)
1748 2011-01-17 16:57:44 <edcba> we could use copper as money too then
1749 2011-01-17 16:57:56 <niekie> Doesn't *HAVE* to mean it's a botnet. But likely is.
1750 2011-01-17 16:58:20 <luke-jr> edcba: we do
1751 2011-01-17 16:58:27 <luke-jr> copper is more common money than gold
1752 2011-01-17 16:58:27 <slush> not necessary botnet, but maybe sysadmin just installed many workers to company computers :)
1753 2011-01-17 16:58:42 <niekie> Heh.
1754 2011-01-17 16:59:25 <sipa> edcba: you could, but gold was more useful
1755 2011-01-17 16:59:35 <sipa> so society choose that
1756 2011-01-17 16:59:39 <niekie> Hm, Amazon is offering a free micro trial instance for a year. Probably not worth it to do any mining on that though :P
1757 2011-01-17 16:59:50 <slush> I mainly care about pool stability. And 1000 workers with 500khash make huge traffic for nothing
1758 2011-01-17 17:00:00 <edcba> so bitcoin is intangible so it doesn't have real intrinsic value
1759 2011-01-17 17:00:14 <gavinandresen> bitcoins are valuable because they are scarce and are convenient to trade. And because we believe they'll remain scarce and convenient to trade....
1760 2011-01-17 17:00:16 <Cusipzzz> nope, no value. i suggest giving them away =)
1761 2011-01-17 17:00:22 <edcba> *but* it's decentralized that makes it valuable :)
1762 2011-01-17 17:00:38 <niekie> Cusipzzz: hehe. Good try :D
1763 2011-01-17 17:00:49 <Cusipzzz> niekie: heh
1764 2011-01-17 17:01:11 <edcba> anyway a better comparison would be with notes
1765 2011-01-17 17:02:06 <gavinandresen> Free micro instance for a year-- new customers only, I assume. That's a good deal, though-- a non-mining bitcoind runs just fine on a micro-instance.
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1767 2011-01-17 17:02:19 <edcba> notes have no more intrinsic value than toilet paper
1768 2011-01-17 17:02:27 <Cusipzzz> link to free instance? it is like a vps?
1769 2011-01-17 17:02:41 <gavinandresen> Dollar bills are valuable because they are scarce and convenient to trade....
1770 2011-01-17 17:02:51 <edcba> scarce ?
1771 2011-01-17 17:02:59 <Cusipzzz> scarce for most, maybe =)
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1773 2011-01-17 17:04:15 <edcba> ok they are "relatively" scarce
1774 2011-01-17 17:04:27 <edcba> ie not everybody can print them
1775 2011-01-17 17:05:03 <edcba> anyway i'm not here to debate if bitcoins have value or not i already now ppl pay for bitcoins :)
1776 2011-01-17 17:05:12 <edcba> so what is the plan for future
1777 2011-01-17 17:05:54 <edcba> should we implement a totally new client/money separate from bitcoin or have some dual stack client ?
1778 2011-01-17 17:06:14 <gavinandresen> Cusipzzz: yes, an amazon instance is a VPS
1779 2011-01-17 17:06:32 <Cusipzzz> gavinandresen: thanks will check it out
1780 2011-01-17 17:07:30 <gavinandresen> edcba: can you catch me up on the conversation? what problem are you trying to solve?
1781 2011-01-17 17:07:47 <edcba> scaling issues ? :)
1782 2011-01-17 17:07:53 <edcba> all the problems ? :)
1783 2011-01-17 17:08:16 <gavinandresen> Are there scaling issues with bitcoin yet? I bet there will be, I just don't know where.
1784 2011-01-17 17:08:49 <kiba> gavinandresen: still grasping for developers?
1785 2011-01-17 17:08:51 <Cusipzzz> edcba: scales fine imo...until people have a legit reason to send less than .01btc - but at .4usd/btc i don't see it
1786 2011-01-17 17:09:25 <gavinandresen> kiba: "grasping" might be overstating it... but yeah, I'd like to see more people contributing.
1787 2011-01-17 17:09:37 <edcba> when bitcoin will be at 1usd you'll see it Cusipzzz :)
1788 2011-01-17 17:09:54 <luke-jr> TBC replaced BTC when BTC is too big :p
1789 2011-01-17 17:10:07 <edcba> and i'd like to pay for 1h vps less than 0.01â¬
1790 2011-01-17 17:10:12 <Cusipzzz> at 1 usd, .01 btc is .01 usd - still don't see a reason to need lesser incremebt
1791 2011-01-17 17:10:46 <edcba> services may be sold at very low price
1792 2011-01-17 17:11:26 <Cusipzzz> edcba: at 10usd/1btc, then we'll talk...once i have recovered from a 48hr coke and hookers binge =)
1793 2011-01-17 17:11:35 <edcba> haha
1794 2011-01-17 17:11:58 <gavinandresen> edcba: ah, if the problem you are trying to solve is the micro-transaction problem, then, to answer the question you asked a ways back, I'd say the right answer is a system different from bitcoin.
1795 2011-01-17 17:12:33 <edcba> if one day bitcoin is used worldwide i hope you imagine having 100btc of 20M may represent some wealth :)
1796 2011-01-17 17:13:16 <edcba> gavinandresen: micro transaction is not really main concern but amount of transactions
1797 2011-01-17 17:14:00 <luke-jr> Cusipzzz: TBC doesn't have this problem anyway
1798 2011-01-17 17:14:06 <gavinandresen> edcba: right.... I don't think bitcoin is suitable for buying lots of very-very inexpensive things. And I don't think it ever will be.
1799 2011-01-17 17:14:37 <Cusipzzz> agree...it's essentially spam in the blockchain
1800 2011-01-17 17:14:55 <gavinandresen> Transmitting and storing gazillions of tiny transactions to every node on the network just doesn't make economic sense. Too inefficient.
1801 2011-01-17 17:16:10 <gavinandresen> Disk space and network bandwidth ARE cheap, but they're not free......
1802 2011-01-17 17:16:11 <edcba> anyway let's imagine i do some improved bitcoin version should i try to takeover existing bitcoin or make it separate and maybe offer to convert bitcoins back to mymoney++ at some point ?
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1804 2011-01-17 17:17:12 <luke-jr> edcba: improved how?
1805 2011-01-17 17:17:40 <gavinandresen> Well, the "easy" part is releasing an improved bitcoin. The hard part is getting people to use it, and getting all the infrastructure built-- exchanges, shopping cart software, etc etc
1806 2011-01-17 17:17:46 <edcba> let's just keep that theoretical because some ppl may not find my version 'improved' ;)
1807 2011-01-17 17:18:52 <gavinandresen> I'm generally a believer in baby-step-improvements instead of radical change, wherever possible. Bitcoin itself being the exceptional radical change, of course....
1808 2011-01-17 17:18:54 <edcba> i could release some interfaces similar to what bitcoin provides
1809 2011-01-17 17:19:35 <gavinandresen> Well, in my experience, being just a little bit better won't be enough to make people switch. You'd have to be radically better.
1810 2011-01-17 17:19:50 <edcba> hmm so maybe some dual stack client and wait for majority to takeover bitcoin infrastructure ? :)
1811 2011-01-17 17:19:51 <gavinandresen> (luke-jr: tonal is NOT radically better, by the way..... at least not for most people)
1812 2011-01-17 17:20:13 <presence> does anyone know what the nvidia tesla 2070 does as far as khash/s?
1813 2011-01-17 17:20:24 <presence> tesla 2070 khash/s
1814 2011-01-17 17:20:30 <davout> nvidia = meh
1815 2011-01-17 17:20:34 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: yes, it is
1816 2011-01-17 17:20:40 <presence> the tesla isnt crap though
1817 2011-01-17 17:20:45 <ArtForz> ~ 77Mh/s, exactlky the same as 2050
1818 2011-01-17 17:20:55 <ArtForz> yeah, it's total crap
1819 2011-01-17 17:20:57 <gavinandresen> edcba: what's your goal-- what do you hope to accomplish? Fame, fortune, overthrow the Powers that Be... ?
1820 2011-01-17 17:21:08 <presence> works well for pyrit
1821 2011-01-17 17:21:13 <ArtForz> a fucking 5770 is more than twice as fast
1822 2011-01-17 17:21:27 <ArtForz> if "works well" means "slower than molasses in winter"
1823 2011-01-17 17:21:46 <presence> well the box is 2.5 years old
1824 2011-01-17 17:21:53 <edcba> gavinandresen: fortune of course !
1825 2011-01-17 17:21:56 <presence> I dont expect it to contest with new stuff
1826 2011-01-17 17:22:38 <edcba> now i'd just like a better bitcoin client now :)
1827 2011-01-17 17:22:43 <edcba> no i'd *
1828 2011-01-17 17:22:59 <edcba> after having spent so much time studying the thing :)
1829 2011-01-17 17:23:00 <ArtForz> so I can buy a 200W $2000 tesla, or 110W $110 HD5770 thats twice as fast... hmmm
1830 2011-01-17 17:23:28 <gavinandresen> edcba: if fortune is your goal, then I don't think implementing a "better bitcoin" is the smart move-- seems like a lot of work for potentially zero gain.
1831 2011-01-17 17:24:18 <edcba> if bitcoin stop being used because a scaling is a problem i won't become rich :)
1832 2011-01-17 17:24:52 <ArtForz> same thing for pyrit btw, cpyrit-calpp on 2*HD5770 is faster than cpyrit-cuda on 4*tesla C2050
1833 2011-01-17 17:25:00 <gavinandresen> edcba: making bitcoin better so that doesn't happen aught to be easier than reinventing it.
1834 2011-01-17 17:25:10 <edcba> and if i'm the one releasing a better client i could impose my defaults option to client that could make me rich :p
1835 2011-01-17 17:25:22 <presence> art: I already have 4 tesla 2070s
1836 2011-01-17 17:25:49 <ArtForz> well, theres about 2 or 3 CUDA miners
1837 2011-01-17 17:26:57 <presence> I was looking at buying a 5970
1838 2011-01-17 17:27:11 <presence> I was just trying to determine if its worth throwing the teslas up at their power consumption
1839 2011-01-17 17:27:18 <ArtForz> one 5970 would be roughly twice as fast as 4 C2070s ...
1840 2011-01-17 17:27:34 <xelister> presence: let me show you this with a diagram
1841 2011-01-17 17:27:38 <presence> it does look like one 5970 is going to be lower power than my 2 gtx460s and produce 5.6x the result
1842 2011-01-17 17:27:53 <ArtForz> about same power as 2 460s
1843 2011-01-17 17:28:13 <ArtForz> 460 shoudl be able to get ~68Mh/s
1844 2011-01-17 17:28:24 <presence> I get 49M
1845 2011-01-17 17:28:41 <ArtForz> guess I have to revise my CUDA numbers
1846 2011-01-17 17:28:42 <presence> without overclock using the python miner
1847 2011-01-17 17:28:52 <ArtForz> using OpenCL or cuda?
1848 2011-01-17 17:28:56 <presence> actually its between 43 and 49
1849 2011-01-17 17:29:03 <ArtForz> iirc nvidias OpenCL compiler is... suboptimal
1850 2011-01-17 17:29:07 <xelister> _
1851 2011-01-17 17:29:09 <xelister> (',') <---- Radeon 5970
1852 2011-01-17 17:29:10 <xelister> _ / /)
1853 2011-01-17 17:29:12 <xelister> (_`,--......_._,/ / \
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1855 2011-01-17 17:29:13 <xelister> `( ,__ '-'-)-'\ ))
1856 2011-01-17 17:29:15 <xelister> \ | ' 7,/` | /
1857 2011-01-17 17:29:16 <xelister> \\ / / ( |
1858 2011-01-17 17:29:18 <xelister> " | ) | )
1859 2011-01-17 17:29:19 <xelister> ='-' ='-' DicZ
1860 2011-01-17 17:29:21 <xelister> ^--- NVidia
1861 2011-01-17 17:29:29 <presence> I use m0ms
1862 2011-01-17 17:29:37 <ArtForz> yeah, so OpenCL... yeah
1863 2011-01-17 17:29:48 <presence> ok, is there a better choice?
1864 2011-01-17 17:30:08 <ArtForz> iirc puddinpop released a open source CUDA miner
1865 2011-01-17 17:30:19 <ArtForz> no clue if it's maintained
1866 2011-01-17 17:30:38 <xelister> ( or http://pastebin.com/GfP1JCL1 )
1867 2011-01-17 17:30:41 <ArtForz> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2444.0
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1869 2011-01-17 17:32:05 <ArtForz> maybe see if that CUDA miner is faster...
1870 2011-01-17 17:32:15 <presence> yeah Im going to check
1871 2011-01-17 17:32:24 <presence> 43-60+ is a huge diff
1872 2011-01-17 17:32:50 <ArtForz> it's all a matter of making good use of the shaders
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1874 2011-01-17 17:39:41 <presence> so far 0 khash/s
1875 2011-01-17 17:39:47 <presence> Hopefully it starts soon
1876 2011-01-17 17:41:24 <presence> hmm..when its connected to rpc it doesnt appear to give good hash numbers...all 0
1877 2011-01-17 17:41:34 <lfm> what block is it at? it needs to go to 103187
1878 2011-01-17 17:42:54 <presence> I dont know how to tell
1879 2011-01-17 17:42:57 <presence> it doesnt say
1880 2011-01-17 17:43:08 <lfm> try getinfo
1881 2011-01-17 17:43:20 <lfm> or are you trying to pool?
1882 2011-01-17 17:43:24 <presence> pooling
1883 2011-01-17 17:43:40 <presence> lemme run it local
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1885 2011-01-17 17:45:21 <presence> hmm even local says 0
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1888 2011-01-17 17:45:56 <presence> my client does show 103187
1889 2011-01-17 17:46:28 <edcba> btw has someone have generation time of last blocks ?
1890 2011-01-17 17:46:32 <edcba> ;;difficulty
1891 2011-01-17 17:46:33 <gribble> Error: "difficulty" is not a valid command.
1892 2011-01-17 17:46:37 <edcba> ;;btc,difficulty
1893 2011-01-17 17:46:37 <gribble> Error: "btc,difficulty" is not a valid command.
1894 2011-01-17 17:46:41 <edcba> ;;diff
1895 2011-01-17 17:46:42 <gribble> Error: "diff" is not a valid command.
1896 2011-01-17 17:47:14 <lfm> ;;bc,diff
1897 2011-01-17 17:47:15 <gribble> 18437.64439217
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1899 2011-01-17 17:47:28 <edcba> ouch
1900 2011-01-17 17:47:34 <edcba> and last time for the blocks
1901 2011-01-17 17:47:42 <lfm> ;;bc,estimate
1902 2011-01-17 17:47:42 <gribble> 22436.23814822
1903 2011-01-17 17:47:47 <edcba> want to see if block generation interval is better
1904 2011-01-17 17:48:01 <edcba> ie more and more accurate
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1907 2011-01-17 17:48:54 <edcba> http://nullvoid.org/bitcoin/
1908 2011-01-17 17:48:58 <edcba> seems not :(
1909 2011-01-17 17:50:14 <tcatm> http://bitcoincharts.com/media/stuff/volprice.png
1910 2011-01-17 17:50:25 <lfm> Block #103187 2011-01-17 17:23:09
1911 2011-01-17 17:50:34 <lfm> Block #103186 2011-01-17 17:16:18
1912 2011-01-17 17:51:04 <lfm> Block #103185 2011-01-17 17:08:55
1913 2011-01-17 17:51:11 <lfm> need more?
1914 2011-01-17 17:52:23 <edcba> no it's ok
1915 2011-01-17 17:52:31 <edcba> found some graph on nullvoid site
1916 2011-01-17 17:52:35 <lfm> Average interval last 100 blocks: 7.94 min
1917 2011-01-17 17:54:17 <Cusipzzz> saw a 45 min block yesterday
1918 2011-01-17 17:54:31 <Cusipzzz> then 3 in 2 mins, lol
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1920 2011-01-17 17:57:45 <presence> yep, getting between 60M to 65M now art
1921 2011-01-17 17:59:36 <ArtForz> thoguht so
1922 2011-01-17 17:59:43 <presence> yeah, way better with cuda
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1924 2011-01-17 17:59:56 <presence> and it gives me more output than m0m's
1925 2011-01-17 18:00:15 <presence> wonder how much tuning I can give it
1926 2011-01-17 18:00:25 <ArtForz> nvidias opencl implementation is not exactly optimized
1927 2011-01-17 18:00:53 <nevezen> which client is this?
1928 2011-01-17 18:01:05 <ArtForz> puddinpops CUDA miner
1929 2011-01-17 18:01:08 <presence> wonder if I should turn up the agression level
1930 2011-01-17 18:01:46 <ArtForz> one wonders why they would do that, having OpenCL significantly slower than their own propertiary GPGPU toolkit...
1931 2011-01-17 18:01:49 jaromil_ is now known as jaromil
1932 2011-01-17 18:02:13 <presence> heheh
1933 2011-01-17 18:03:28 <ArtForz> thats actually pretty normal crap for nvidia
1934 2011-01-17 18:04:53 <ArtForz> PhysX is still using x87 on CPUs, yet they have a perfectly vectorized version for GPUs...
1935 2011-01-17 18:05:28 <nevezen> oh I remember trying this client
1936 2011-01-17 18:05:41 <nevezen> I couldn't crunch any hashes from it
1937 2011-01-17 18:05:49 <ArtForz> but then, having CPU PhysX suddenly faster by a factor of 8 wouldnt exactly make their GPU implementation look that awesome
1938 2011-01-17 18:05:55 <presence> its because your parms were bad
1939 2011-01-17 18:05:58 <presence> I had the same thing
1940 2011-01-17 18:06:00 <nevezen> It just stuck at 0 kh/s forever
1941 2011-01-17 18:06:04 <presence> parms are - not --
1942 2011-01-17 18:06:11 <presence> and you use -password not --pass
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1944 2011-01-17 18:11:33 <presence> neve: its worth it...I get about 20Mhash/sec better...about 40%
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1948 2011-01-17 18:16:20 <hacim> i can run a 5970 and a 5870 at the same time, right?
1949 2011-01-17 18:16:47 <presence> -gpu=0 on one and -gpu=1 on the other
1950 2011-01-17 18:17:04 <presence> Im not sure what happens if they arent in crossfire
1951 2011-01-17 18:18:14 <nevezen> you have two cards.. I only have one :-)
1952 2011-01-17 18:18:27 <lfm> i think mining works better if its not in crossfire
1953 2011-01-17 18:19:45 <presence> Im surprised fermi based cards perform so poorly
1954 2011-01-17 18:20:56 <devon_hillard> what are tasks that are (near) infinitely parallelizable?
1955 2011-01-17 18:21:15 <lfm> there is no list
1956 2011-01-17 18:21:48 <[Noodles]> hacim: depends on what OS your on, at least i'm unable to run more than 2 cores on windows, its either 2of2 5970GPUs, or 1of2 5970 + 1 5850
1957 2011-01-17 18:21:58 <devon_hillard> I would suspect it involves vector operations
1958 2011-01-17 18:22:06 <lfm> just means you can do the threads independantly without interaction with other threads
1959 2011-01-17 18:22:16 <hacim> yeah, i'm on linux
1960 2011-01-17 18:22:33 <lfm> bitcoin doesnt do vector operations really
1961 2011-01-17 18:24:42 <ArtForz> it does if you vectorize sha256 ;)
1962 2011-01-17 18:25:12 <lfm> ya it can be shoehorned but it is not essentially a vector operation
1963 2011-01-17 18:25:32 <ArtForz> checking each nonce is a independent task following the same control flow, it doesnt get much easier to vectorize
1964 2011-01-17 18:25:43 <edcba> is there some magic the gathering/btc exchange ?
1965 2011-01-17 18:36:14 lyspooner has joined
1966 2011-01-17 18:37:48 <nanotube> edcba: nothing specific that i know of. you can always try OTC :)
1967 2011-01-17 18:38:58 <lyspooner> edcba, mtgox was originally a magic the gathering exchange
1968 2011-01-17 18:39:18 <edcba> haha
1969 2011-01-17 18:39:20 <edcba> damn
1970 2011-01-17 18:39:23 <lyspooner> Mtgox = Magic the Gathering Online Exchange
1971 2011-01-17 18:39:34 <edcba> i'm talking with some friend wanting to sell some cards
1972 2011-01-17 18:39:45 <edcba> but ebay/paypal makes difficulties :)
1973 2011-01-17 18:39:54 <edcba> keep banning his account
1974 2011-01-17 18:39:54 <nevezen> is that what it really stands for?
1975 2011-01-17 18:39:56 <lyspooner> i suggest you send mtgox an email, he may be able to help you down the right path
1976 2011-01-17 18:39:58 <lyspooner> yes
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1980 2011-01-17 18:56:23 <newsham> slush here?
1981 2011-01-17 18:56:24 james___ has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
1982 2011-01-17 18:56:49 <nanotube> lyspooner: heh really? cool. so what happened to take mtgox away from mtg and into btc?
1983 2011-01-17 18:57:40 james has joined
1984 2011-01-17 18:58:04 <lyspooner> don't know his full story past a couple of brief emails, but he's had the site for quite some time.
1985 2011-01-17 18:58:06 james is now known as Guest31418
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1987 2011-01-17 19:01:27 <nanotube> lyspooner: mm ic :)
1988 2011-01-17 19:01:48 <lyspooner> could be part of history now
1989 2011-01-17 19:04:56 presence has left ()
1990 2011-01-17 19:05:38 <slush> newsham: yes sir!
1991 2011-01-17 19:07:33 <newsham> slush: was wondering why the "bitcoin-remote" packgae isnt listed on your mining pool page
1992 2011-01-17 19:07:45 <slush> what is 'bitcoin-remote'?
1993 2011-01-17 19:07:48 <newsham> ie.
1994 2011-01-17 19:08:01 <newsham> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2444.0
1995 2011-01-17 19:08:16 <slush> newsham: ?
1996 2011-01-17 19:08:19 <newsham> but now that i'm trying ot use it i'm having problems building it, so maybe thats a good reason :)
1997 2011-01-17 19:08:41 <slush> newsham: they ARE listed on homepage
1998 2011-01-17 19:08:59 <newsham> hrm
1999 2011-01-17 19:09:17 <newsham> oh you are completely right :)
2000 2011-01-17 19:09:17 <newsham> sorry
2001 2011-01-17 19:09:24 <slush> ok :)
2002 2011-01-17 19:11:43 <newsham> anyone know how to build the puddinpop miner in linux? i'm assuming i need to use cmake, but i'm having problems.
2003 2011-01-17 19:14:24 <newsham> ahh, i think cause i need to grab cuda toolkit :)
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2008 2011-01-17 19:25:33 <newsham> hmm... botnet on slush?
2009 2011-01-17 19:25:59 <slush> not now
2010 2011-01-17 19:26:33 <newsham> you cut it off?
2011 2011-01-17 19:26:43 <slush> yes, disabled account
2012 2011-01-17 19:26:46 <newsham> were they actually connecting? or just registered?
2013 2011-01-17 19:26:53 <newsham> curious how many unique IPs
2014 2011-01-17 19:27:02 <slush> over 300 workers connected
2015 2011-01-17 19:27:22 <slush> pardon, 300 getworks/s
2016 2011-01-17 19:27:28 <slush> by those clients
2017 2011-01-17 19:29:50 bitcoinz_ has joined
2018 2011-01-17 19:31:37 <newsham> slush: but how many unique addresses?
2019 2011-01-17 19:31:49 <slush> I didn't analyzed it yet
2020 2011-01-17 19:32:14 <kiba> Finally, the 3 main projects is out
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2025 2011-01-17 19:41:15 <lolcat> Hello
2026 2011-01-17 19:41:33 <Cusipzzz> howdy lolcat
2027 2011-01-17 19:42:42 <nanotube> slush: why disconnect? isn't the point of the pool to allow large numbers of small workers?
2028 2011-01-17 19:43:38 SirDidi has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2029 2011-01-17 19:43:54 <lolcat> Do the new version work on ubuntu 11.04?
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2031 2011-01-17 19:47:44 <lolcat> Ok, this is my problem
2032 2011-01-17 19:47:47 <lolcat> Bitcoin runs
2033 2011-01-17 19:47:54 <lolcat> But I don't see the gui
2034 2011-01-17 19:51:36 bitcoinz_ has quit (Quit: Page closed)
2035 2011-01-17 19:54:24 <lolcat> Anyone?
2036 2011-01-17 19:57:08 devon_hillard has quit (Quit: Leaving)
2037 2011-01-17 19:58:34 <edcba> hmm
2038 2011-01-17 19:58:49 <edcba> never tested bitcoin on ubuntu
2039 2011-01-17 19:58:53 <edcba> should try that...
2040 2011-01-17 20:03:38 <kiba> ducki2p: yo here?
2041 2011-01-17 20:03:46 <kiba> ;;lastseen ducki2p
2042 2011-01-17 20:03:47 <gribble> Error: "lastseen" is not a valid command.
2043 2011-01-17 20:03:51 <kiba> ;;last seen
2044 2011-01-17 20:03:51 <gribble> (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
2045 2011-01-17 20:04:19 <Myckel> ;;seen ducki2p
2046 2011-01-17 20:04:19 <gribble> ducki2p was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 1 day, 9 hours, 57 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <ducki2p> (that is with 2 hops)
2047 2011-01-17 20:04:31 <Myckel> ;)
2048 2011-01-17 20:08:50 <slush> nanotube: why I should pay for another VPS just because some script kiddie install miner to university labs?
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2052 2011-01-17 20:09:43 <slush> nanotube: my point is to allow many users to earn their first bitcoins or make income of big miners smooth
2053 2011-01-17 20:13:12 <nevezen> wow, that last part is evil of you :)
2054 2011-01-17 20:13:44 <slush> well, I mean 'big miner' as anybody with >100Mhash :)
2055 2011-01-17 20:14:48 <nevezen> so what was the hash speed of that botnet before you disabled them?
2056 2011-01-17 20:15:20 <slush> I don't have per-user or per-worker stats, but I think less than 200Mhash
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2058 2011-01-17 20:16:58 <slush> (but consumes 3x more server resources than current pool workers)
2059 2011-01-17 20:17:19 <[Noodles]> and why is the 'big miners' part evil? that's exactly my expectation of using the pool, calling myself one of the 'big' running 2GPUs, i only expect to get smoother averages, not to earn more or less coins
2060 2011-01-17 20:17:53 <[Noodles]> *3GPUs actually, if everything works well
2061 2011-01-17 20:18:18 <nevezen> I'm assuming it's the major factor of ramping up difficulty
2062 2011-01-17 20:18:37 <nevezen> please correct me if this is wrong..
2063 2011-01-17 20:19:14 <slush> nevezen: Most of current miners from pool was mining before pool
2064 2011-01-17 20:19:57 <slush> nevezen: So pool isn't pushing difficulty up significantly
2065 2011-01-17 20:20:42 <ArtForz> my guess, theres still plenty GPU miners coming online
2066 2011-01-17 20:20:51 <nevezen> so what is?
2067 2011-01-17 20:21:16 <ArtForz> 4 5970s = 2.5Gh/s
2068 2011-01-17 20:23:51 <lolcat> How can I get the GUI back?
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2071 2011-01-17 20:28:24 <lolcat> Please help me
2072 2011-01-17 20:28:45 <ArtForz> ?
2073 2011-01-17 20:29:10 <lolcat> ArtForz: I can't get the gui to run
2074 2011-01-17 20:29:25 <lolcat> Since I updated my computer
2075 2011-01-17 20:29:26 <ArtForz> you got bitcoind running ?
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2077 2011-01-17 20:29:35 <lolcat> ArtForz: It seams so
2078 2011-01-17 20:30:23 <ArtForz> tried "bitcoind stop" ?
2079 2011-01-17 20:32:55 <lolcat> error: couldn't connect to server
2080 2011-01-17 20:33:01 <ArtForz> hmmm
2081 2011-01-17 20:33:13 <ArtForz> anything in debug.log ?
2082 2011-01-17 20:33:25 <lolcat> Where is it?
2083 2011-01-17 20:33:35 <ArtForz> in bitcoin data dir
2084 2011-01-17 20:33:51 <lolcat> /home/lolcat/.bitcoin?
2085 2011-01-17 20:34:00 <ArtForz> yup, ~/.bitcoin/ on *nix
2086 2011-01-17 20:34:41 <nanotube> slush: so if the guy had created 100 separate accounts, rather than sticking them all onto one account... you'd be ok with it?
2087 2011-01-17 20:35:22 <slush> currently it is untrackable
2088 2011-01-17 20:35:37 <lolcat> ArtForz: It is 90 000 lines
2089 2011-01-17 20:36:03 <ArtForz> uhhh
2090 2011-01-17 20:36:11 <ArtForz> the last lines are usually the most interesting
2091 2011-01-17 20:36:32 <lolcat> It takes me a year to scroll down in nano
2092 2011-01-17 20:36:39 <ArtForz> tail ?
2093 2011-01-17 20:37:00 <lolcat> No idea how to use it
2094 2011-01-17 20:37:01 <Cusipzzz> emacs
2095 2011-01-17 20:37:05 <Cusipzzz> ^
2096 2011-01-17 20:37:11 <nevezen> hehe emacs
2097 2011-01-17 20:37:15 <ArtForz> tail --lines=1000 debug.log | less
2098 2011-01-17 20:37:46 <ArtForz> = view last 1000 lines with less
2099 2011-01-17 20:38:10 * kiba uses emacs too
2100 2011-01-17 20:38:44 <Cusipzzz> once you go emacs, you don't go back =)
2101 2011-01-17 20:38:51 <lolcat> That showed me IRC GOT something
2102 2011-01-17 20:38:57 <lolcat> on the hole terminal
2103 2011-01-17 20:39:17 <ArtForz> if only emacs included a decent text editor *ducks*
2104 2011-01-17 20:39:37 <Cusipzzz> ...
2105 2011-01-17 20:40:08 <lolcat> So what can be wrong?
2106 2011-01-17 20:40:17 <ArtForz> hmmm... it gets on irc...
2107 2011-01-17 20:40:30 <ArtForz> is the bitcoin process running?
2108 2011-01-17 20:40:31 * lolcat used cat instead
2109 2011-01-17 20:41:17 <lolcat> ArtForz: I can't see anything related to display
2110 2011-01-17 20:41:37 <ArtForz> ps ax | grep bitcoin
2111 2011-01-17 20:41:56 <brocktice> Hey, anyone want to go to the Financial Cryptography meeting to represent Bitcoin?
2112 2011-01-17 20:42:03 <brocktice> there's a discussion on the forums.
2113 2011-01-17 20:42:16 <brocktice> I doubt Satoshi would want to appear, but maybe gavin or someone else?
2114 2011-01-17 20:42:20 <lolcat> ArtForz: 1728 pts/3 Sl+ 0:04 ./bitcoin
2115 2011-01-17 20:42:26 <ArtForz> so it's running ...
2116 2011-01-17 20:42:34 <lolcat> In a terminal
2117 2011-01-17 20:42:37 <ArtForz> yea
2118 2011-01-17 20:42:39 <lolcat> No lines of anything
2119 2011-01-17 20:42:44 <ArtForz> but why doesnt the GUI show
2120 2011-01-17 20:42:49 <lolcat> Usually a program would say something
2121 2011-01-17 20:43:11 <ArtForz> hrrrm
2122 2011-01-17 20:43:21 <brocktice> I've had the GUI take ages to show up
2123 2011-01-17 20:43:25 <brocktice> on Linux
2124 2011-01-17 20:43:32 <ArtForz> did you start bitcoin from a xterm?
2125 2011-01-17 20:43:36 <brocktice> it's been a while though
2126 2011-01-17 20:43:43 <lolcat> gnome-terminal
2127 2011-01-17 20:43:46 <brocktice> I've had it start from startup programs and gnome-terminal
2128 2011-01-17 20:43:49 <ArtForz> same difference
2129 2011-01-17 20:43:50 <brocktice> (slowly)
2130 2011-01-17 20:43:59 <lolcat> Tried running it from ALT + F2
2131 2011-01-17 20:44:02 <ArtForz> any output there? if not, it's probably running just fine, just invisible
2132 2011-01-17 20:44:25 <ArtForz> I'd try killing all running bitcoin processes and starting it again from a terminal
2133 2011-01-17 20:44:25 <lolcat> Nothing
2134 2011-01-17 20:44:39 <lolcat> ArtForz: Done that, no result
2135 2011-01-17 20:44:49 <ArtForz> well, empty debug.log first
2136 2011-01-17 20:45:20 <ArtForz> at least you'll have a few orders of magnitude less crap to sort through
2137 2011-01-17 20:46:04 <lolcat> Nothing about display
2138 2011-01-17 20:46:06 <lolcat> it runs fine
2139 2011-01-17 20:46:09 <lolcat> just no display
2140 2011-01-17 20:46:33 <ArtForz> hmmm... stupid idea: could it be offscreen?
2141 2011-01-17 20:46:50 <lolcat> How can I check?
2142 2011-01-17 20:47:23 <ArtForz> do you get a "taskbar" icon/tab/whatever for it?
2143 2011-01-17 20:47:57 <xelister> hey remind me
2144 2011-01-17 20:48:05 <lolcat> No
2145 2011-01-17 20:48:07 <xelister> amd drivers version... 10.10 ?
2146 2011-01-17 20:48:10 <xelister> r 10.11
2147 2011-01-17 20:48:19 <xelister> *or 10.11
2148 2011-01-17 20:48:22 <ArtForz> that means it's stuck somewhere before creating the GUI window
2149 2011-01-17 20:48:34 <ArtForz> used 10.10 through 10.12, no problems
2150 2011-01-17 20:48:52 <ArtForz> might be irc related, try starting with -noirc
2151 2011-01-17 20:49:03 <lolcat> I shuld?
2152 2011-01-17 20:49:10 <ArtForz> yep
2153 2011-01-17 20:49:22 <lolcat> Same
2154 2011-01-17 20:49:32 <ArtForz> hummm, weird
2155 2011-01-17 20:49:42 <lolcat> Can I rm the config file?
2156 2011-01-17 20:49:47 <ArtForz> whats in it?
2157 2011-01-17 20:49:52 <ArtForz> only user/pass?
2158 2011-01-17 20:50:15 <lolcat> rpcuser=bitcoin
2159 2011-01-17 20:50:15 <lolcat> rpcpassword=lolcat93
2160 2011-01-17 20:51:04 <ArtForz> should be ok
2161 2011-01-17 20:51:19 <ArtForz> hrrrm, can you pastebin debug.log output?
2162 2011-01-17 20:51:36 <lolcat> What is the name of the autopastebin program?
2163 2011-01-17 20:51:48 * Cusipzzz notes pword =)
2164 2011-01-17 20:52:07 <Cusipzzz> what was that IP again? hmm
2165 2011-01-17 20:52:09 <ArtForz> Cusipzzz: no rpcallowip=, good luck
2166 2011-01-17 20:52:20 <Cusipzzz> not yet anyway
2167 2011-01-17 20:52:47 <Cusipzzz> ssh in, rpcpassword=same as root pword, run bitcoind, 3 profut
2168 2011-01-17 20:52:52 <Cusipzzz> profit even...lol
2169 2011-01-17 20:53:27 <lolcat> My passwords for ssh is 12 ciphers long and completly random
2170 2011-01-17 20:53:38 <lolcat> And no root login
2171 2011-01-17 20:53:43 <Cusipzzz> there is no such thing as completely random :)
2172 2011-01-17 20:53:49 <lolcat> And the firewall doesn't let anything in
2173 2011-01-17 20:53:54 <Cusipzzz> given enough monkeys on enough typewriters...
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2175 2011-01-17 20:56:15 <lolcat> But this sucks, I need my bitcoins!
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2177 2011-01-17 20:56:54 <Cusipzzz> can't run bitcoind from cmd line ?
2178 2011-01-17 20:57:13 <lolcat> I don't know, have to get windows first
2179 2011-01-17 20:57:34 <Cusipzzz> windows?
2180 2011-01-17 20:58:05 <lolcat> There is no CMD in my Linux.
2181 2011-01-17 20:58:12 <lolcat> I have terminals though
2182 2011-01-17 20:58:43 <Cusipzzz> ssh in, run bitcoind. i never use a gui for bitcoin
2183 2011-01-17 20:58:48 <jrabbit> lolcat: ...
2184 2011-01-17 20:59:02 <lolcat> But how can I see my bitcoins then?
2185 2011-01-17 20:59:22 <jrabbit> bitcoind info iic
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2187 2011-01-17 21:00:02 <Cusipzzz> you can see them, touch them, send them, more flexible than gui
2188 2011-01-17 21:00:42 <lolcat> lolcat@lolcat-laptop:~/bitcoin-0.3.19/bin/64$ ./bitcoind info
2189 2011-01-17 21:00:42 <lolcat> error: {"code":-32601,"message":"Method not found"}
2190 2011-01-17 21:00:50 <xelister> getinfo
2191 2011-01-17 21:00:56 <Cusipzzz> try
2192 2011-01-17 21:01:02 <Cusipzzz> watch ./bitcoind getinfo
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2194 2011-01-17 21:01:12 <lolcat> "balance" : 169.34000000,
2195 2011-01-17 21:01:15 <lolcat> oO
2196 2011-01-17 21:01:28 <Cusipzzz> there ya go
2197 2011-01-17 21:01:59 <Cusipzzz> oddly, that's the combo to my luggage
2198 2011-01-17 21:02:30 * xelister uses Cusipzzz's luggage to send some white sugar overseas
2199 2011-01-17 21:02:31 <ArtForz> 12345?
2200 2011-01-17 21:02:49 <xelister> 16934
2201 2011-01-17 21:02:53 <Cusipzzz> 169..but now i have to change it
2202 2011-01-17 21:03:20 <luke-jr> you lock your luggage?
2203 2011-01-17 21:03:35 <ArtForz> 12345 is more fun
2204 2011-01-17 21:03:41 <Cusipzzz> can't make it easy on those TSA jackboots, no?
2205 2011-01-17 21:03:56 <luke-jr> Cusipzzz: I thought they destroyed locks
2206 2011-01-17 21:04:01 <ArtForz> yup
2207 2011-01-17 21:04:34 <luke-jr> Cusipzzz: I hope you don't forget to declare your firearms too
2208 2011-01-17 21:04:37 <brocktice> Fun Fact: It is probably cheaper to ship your shit USPS Priority Mail than to check luggage in the US, on most airlines.
2209 2011-01-17 21:04:43 <Cusipzzz> it's like 25 yrs old, let them go nuts crackin the 3 digit code
2210 2011-01-17 21:04:48 <ArtForz> man boltcutter
2211 2011-01-17 21:04:59 <Cusipzzz> lol
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2217 2011-01-17 21:09:10 <lolcat> How do I see my adress in bitcoind?
2218 2011-01-17 21:09:24 <andrew12> listaddresses?
2219 2011-01-17 21:09:39 <jrabbit> dude rtfm
2220 2011-01-17 21:09:45 <Cusipzzz> lol
2221 2011-01-17 21:10:04 <xelister> lolcat: you can see your address it bitcoind
2222 2011-01-17 21:10:07 <xelister> by typing
2223 2011-01-17 21:10:38 * andrew12 types
2224 2011-01-17 21:10:40 <andrew12> no address
2225 2011-01-17 21:10:59 <xelister> sendtoaddress 1AtqJSaPzyQZALzbiqM7SCCU7mmsiG5nRQ "see my address"
2226 2011-01-17 21:11:03 <Cusipzzz> lololol
2227 2011-01-17 21:11:06 <xelister> sendtoaddress 1AtqJSaPzyQZALzbiqM7SCCU7mmsiG5nRQ 169 "see my address"
2228 2011-01-17 21:11:09 <xelister> the 2nd one
2229 2011-01-17 21:11:12 <Cusipzzz> loooooool
2230 2011-01-17 21:11:17 <lolcat> ...
2231 2011-01-17 21:11:18 <xelister> :}
2232 2011-01-17 21:11:24 <andrew12> lol
2233 2011-01-17 21:11:35 <xelister> so, did it worked?
2234 2011-01-17 21:11:39 <lolcat> Nope
2235 2011-01-17 21:11:45 <xelister> >_>
2236 2011-01-17 21:11:45 <Cusipzzz> it should return your address =)
2237 2011-01-17 21:11:50 <Cusipzzz> a slughtly longer version
2238 2011-01-17 21:11:54 <xelister> yes, it returns a long string
2239 2011-01-17 21:11:54 <lolcat> sentoadress no such command
2240 2011-01-17 21:12:02 <andrew12> HOW TO SPELL
2241 2011-01-17 21:12:03 <xelister> send
2242 2011-01-17 21:12:05 <andrew12> -caps
2243 2011-01-17 21:12:12 <xelister> ;)
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2245 2011-01-17 21:12:49 <xelister> also,
2246 2011-01-17 21:12:52 <xelister> getnewaddress
2247 2011-01-17 21:13:18 <andrew12> o.o
2248 2011-01-17 21:13:22 <andrew12> oooh
2249 2011-01-17 21:13:23 <Cusipzzz> o.O
2250 2011-01-17 21:13:32 <andrew12> I can ctcp the channel
2251 2011-01-17 21:13:48 <andrew12> I probably shouldn't though
2252 2011-01-17 21:13:49 <andrew12> :P
2253 2011-01-17 21:14:05 <andrew12> err
2254 2011-01-17 21:14:17 <andrew12> fun fun fun
2255 2011-01-17 21:14:19 <lolcat> :S
2256 2011-01-17 21:14:29 * xelister fingers andrew12's sister
2257 2011-01-17 21:14:33 <andrew12> all your versions are belong to mee~
2258 2011-01-17 21:14:35 * lolcat reports andrew12 for ctcp hacking
2259 2011-01-17 21:14:35 <Cusipzzz> o.0
2260 2011-01-17 21:15:29 <andrew12> i'm done
2261 2011-01-17 21:15:45 <bonsaikitten> andrew12: can you stop fingering me? :)
2262 2011-01-17 21:15:45 <andrew12> [johnyh PING reply]: 14secs
2263 2011-01-17 21:15:46 <andrew12> heh
2264 2011-01-17 21:15:52 <andrew12> bonsaikitten: it was only once.
2265 2011-01-17 21:16:01 <andrew12> now i'm being fingered
2266 2011-01-17 21:16:04 <andrew12> clientinfo?
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2268 2011-01-17 21:16:16 <andrew12> hmm
2269 2011-01-17 21:16:25 <andrew12> wow
2270 2011-01-17 21:16:29 <davout> ohai
2271 2011-01-17 21:16:33 <andrew12> i'm still getting some version info from some people
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2274 2011-01-17 21:17:17 <andrew12> ##ctcp gogogo?
2275 2011-01-17 21:17:32 <ducki2p> kiba: pong
2276 2011-01-17 21:18:08 * andrew12 sneezes
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2278 2011-01-17 21:22:22 <andrew12> i want a #bitcoin-monitor screensaver
2279 2011-01-17 21:22:41 <brocktice> I want a bitcoin watch Android widget
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2281 2011-01-17 21:22:57 <dirtyfilthy> i want a pushbike for my birthday, a red one
2282 2011-01-17 21:23:04 <brocktice> I want a PONY
2283 2011-01-17 21:23:11 <andrew12> I want two ponies
2284 2011-01-17 21:23:15 <dirtyfilthy> a red one?
2285 2011-01-17 21:23:15 <Diablo-D3> I want a japanese robotic sexdoll.
2286 2011-01-17 21:23:29 <andrew12> a red one?
2287 2011-01-17 21:23:31 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: robotic?
2288 2011-01-17 21:23:39 <Diablo-D3> robotic.
2289 2011-01-17 21:23:56 <andrew12> intergalactic?
2290 2011-01-17 21:24:35 <brocktice> Like this one? http://farm1.static.flickr.com/108/284890992_17c3eed407.jpg
2291 2011-01-17 21:24:52 <brocktice> Watch out though, she's dangerous
2292 2011-01-17 21:24:52 <xelister> what the fuck
2293 2011-01-17 21:24:58 <xelister> that is not sex dolls mother fuckers
2294 2011-01-17 21:25:01 <xelister> its major =)
2295 2011-01-17 21:25:04 <Diablo-D3> andrew12: well, if its going to be that kind of party, Im going to stick my dick in the mashed potatoes
2296 2011-01-17 21:25:05 <brocktice> :D
2297 2011-01-17 21:25:06 <Cusipzzz> do want
2298 2011-01-17 21:25:14 <andrew12> ::sell 1000 BTC @ 1 "japanese robotic sexdoll"
2299 2011-01-17 21:25:21 <Cusipzzz> lol
2300 2011-01-17 21:25:37 <brocktice> xelister: Yeah I did an image search for "motoko kusanagi"
2301 2011-01-17 21:25:43 <Diablo-D3> wait
2302 2011-01-17 21:25:45 <andrew12> derp
2303 2011-01-17 21:25:48 <Diablo-D3> you did an image search for the major
2304 2011-01-17 21:25:49 <Diablo-D3> yet
2305 2011-01-17 21:25:52 <Diablo-D3> you did not link to miotd
2306 2011-01-17 21:25:54 <Diablo-D3> YOU FAIL
2307 2011-01-17 21:26:04 <brocktice> eh?
2308 2011-01-17 21:26:06 <brocktice> apparently
2309 2011-01-17 21:26:12 <brocktice> because I have no idea WTF you are talking about
2310 2011-01-17 21:26:17 <andrew12> lmfao
2311 2011-01-17 21:26:19 <Diablo-D3> http://miotd.com/
2312 2011-01-17 21:26:20 <lfm> Average interval last 100 blocks: 7.94 min
2313 2011-01-17 21:26:36 <brocktice> no, I don't think I failed
2314 2011-01-17 21:26:37 <brocktice> that is wrong
2315 2011-01-17 21:26:39 <lfm> http://realdoll.com/
2316 2011-01-17 21:26:58 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: thats not even a good drawing of the major!
2317 2011-01-17 21:27:12 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: no, I wasn't looking to make a research project out of it
2318 2011-01-17 21:27:23 <Diablo-D3> http://miotd.com/category/ghost-in-the-shell/
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2320 2011-01-17 21:27:33 <Diablo-D3> om nom nom nom
2321 2011-01-17 21:27:49 <brocktice> ah ok
2322 2011-01-17 21:27:57 <Diablo-D3> http://miotd.com/images/20081122.jpg
2323 2011-01-17 21:28:00 <Diablo-D3> do want as a poster
2324 2011-01-17 21:28:25 <andrew12> Diablo-D3: what if you got a real live japanese girlfriend?
2325 2011-01-17 21:28:35 <xelister> btw that reminds me
2326 2011-01-17 21:28:44 <xelister> what does typical american say seing GiTS ?
2327 2011-01-17 21:28:56 * Myckel has GitS manga (Dutch ones are the unsensored ones :-D )
2328 2011-01-17 21:28:57 <brocktice> xelister: Why is she naked?
2329 2011-01-17 21:28:57 <andrew12> "what the fuck does gits mean"
2330 2011-01-17 21:28:59 <xelister> oh my goood Peedooooo!!!1111¹¹¹¹ help help heplll derp
2331 2011-01-17 21:29:00 <brocktice> oh
2332 2011-01-17 21:29:15 <Diablo-D3> Myckel: the new printing of the american ones are uncensored
2333 2011-01-17 21:29:16 <Myckel> Ghost in the Shell
2334 2011-01-17 21:29:16 <Diablo-D3> AND
2335 2011-01-17 21:29:21 <Diablo-D3> they contain "the three pages"
2336 2011-01-17 21:29:33 <Myckel> ah, nice for you to catch up.
2337 2011-01-17 21:29:46 <andrew12> back on to the "I want" fest
2338 2011-01-17 21:29:47 <Diablo-D3> I read then fan scanlated years ago anyhow
2339 2011-01-17 21:29:51 <andrew12> I want faster internet
2340 2011-01-17 21:29:51 <Diablo-D3> before the US publication
2341 2011-01-17 21:29:55 <Diablo-D3> delicious lesbian motoko on a boat
2342 2011-01-17 21:30:07 <Myckel> hehe
2343 2011-01-17 21:30:18 <andrew12> why has #bitcoin-dev turned into ##sex
2344 2011-01-17 21:30:26 <Myckel> seen stand alone complex?
2345 2011-01-17 21:30:42 <brocktice> First season was great
2346 2011-01-17 21:30:45 <brocktice> second not so much
2347 2011-01-17 21:30:52 <andrew12> ok ##anime
2348 2011-01-17 21:31:01 <Myckel> ah, never looked beyond first few.
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2350 2011-01-17 21:31:05 <andrew12> which apparently exists
2351 2011-01-17 21:31:29 <xelister> brocktice: you mean 2nd gig?
2352 2011-01-17 21:31:38 <brocktice> xelister: yeah
2353 2011-01-17 21:31:45 <xelister> what in the fucks name
2354 2011-01-17 21:31:47 <brocktice> andrew12: 15:14 < Diablo-D3> I want a japanese robotic sexdoll.
2355 2011-01-17 21:31:50 <brocktice> that is what started it
2356 2011-01-17 21:31:51 * xelister beats up brocktice with a metal pole
2357 2011-01-17 21:32:06 <andrew12> yep
2358 2011-01-17 21:32:15 <Cusipzzz> lol
2359 2011-01-17 21:32:23 <Myckel> :-P
2360 2011-01-17 21:32:46 <Cusipzzz> maybe the japanese robotic sexdoll also runs bitcoind and does 600Mhps
2361 2011-01-17 21:32:52 <xelister> =)
2362 2011-01-17 21:32:57 <brocktice> we have *got* to figure out a good way around having to download the whole goddamned block chain for every new install.
2363 2011-01-17 21:33:06 <brocktice> I set it up on another machine and this shit takes forever
2364 2011-01-17 21:33:13 <xelister> brocktice: freenet lol
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2366 2011-01-17 21:33:17 <Cusipzzz> brocktice: supernodes
2367 2011-01-17 21:33:32 <Myckel> earth rays
2368 2011-01-17 21:34:00 <sipa> rsync
2369 2011-01-17 21:34:03 <xelister> http://miotd.com/2010/04/01/ghost-in-the-shell-that-sounds-painful lol what?
2370 2011-01-17 21:34:56 <nanotube> brocktice: just need to parallelize the download and verification. so client can pull blocks from a bunch of clients, stick them in the db, then work on verification as it goes. it's only 60 mb, can't be that long to download.
2371 2011-01-17 21:35:10 <lfm> brocktice there is a zip of the blockchain to get you started more quickly. are you using it?
2372 2011-01-17 21:35:19 <brocktice> lfm: nope, didn't know about that
2373 2011-01-17 21:35:26 <brocktice> that's a step in the right direction for sure
2374 2011-01-17 21:35:39 <brocktice> should be there by default in the official distribution, I think
2375 2011-01-17 21:35:41 <Cusipzzz> let me send you my custom zipped blockchain =)
2376 2011-01-17 21:35:45 <xelister> :]
2377 2011-01-17 21:35:46 <brocktice> heh
2378 2011-01-17 21:35:50 <nanotube> brocktice: welcome to submit a patch, you are. :D
2379 2011-01-17 21:35:55 <brocktice> I don't need it, I'm just thinking for new users
2380 2011-01-17 21:36:03 <brocktice> nanotube: fair enough
2381 2011-01-17 21:36:08 <xelister> they can wait!!
2382 2011-01-17 21:36:10 <xelister> in my days
2383 2011-01-17 21:36:15 <Cusipzzz> torrent the blochain
2384 2011-01-17 21:36:18 <xelister> we had to use abacuses to calculate a new block
2385 2011-01-17 21:36:36 <Cusipzzz> yes...then write them by hand, and input on a 8088 processor
2386 2011-01-17 21:36:41 <nanotube> xelister: yes, 300 sph was a great hash rate, then. :)
2387 2011-01-17 21:37:04 * Myckel feeds xelister his dayly medicin.
2388 2011-01-17 21:37:16 <Cusipzzz> used to load them by punchcard
2389 2011-01-17 21:37:33 * xelister accuses Myckel of violating Kyoto CO² convention with his gentoo recompilations
2390 2011-01-17 21:37:42 <dirtyfilthy> seven miles to school, uphill both ways
2391 2011-01-17 21:37:46 <jrabbit> xelister: lol.
2392 2011-01-17 21:37:50 <Cusipzzz> in the snow
2393 2011-01-17 21:38:07 <dirtyfilthy> in bare feet
2394 2011-01-17 21:38:07 <xelister> dirtyfilthy: that is what wiazrd have usually, school in middle, and a protal to hope at top of the hill
2395 2011-01-17 21:38:11 <xelister> dirtyfilthy: that is what wiazrd have usually, school in middle, and a protal to home at top of the hill
2396 2011-01-17 21:38:40 <andrew12> a protal?
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2398 2011-01-17 21:39:18 <xelister> like a portal, but it twists your digits randomly on use
2399 2011-01-17 21:39:59 <Cusipzzz> didn't have any fancy portals in my day, had to roll a d20 and count on the whims of some dude in thick glasses to confirm i didn't get killed by a troll on the way
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2402 2011-01-17 21:45:23 * xelister eats AmazingPudding
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2406 2011-01-17 21:52:26 <andrew12> this channel is very rarely about development
2407 2011-01-17 21:54:04 <noobdearia> #bitcoin-discussion
2408 2011-01-17 21:54:23 <andrew12> eh
2409 2011-01-17 21:54:43 <noobdearia> there is an i2p gateway
2410 2011-01-17 21:54:51 <xelister> someone works on it... I think?
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2414 2011-01-17 22:10:38 <ducki2p> kiba: thanks for the avatar; good job
2415 2011-01-17 22:12:05 <ArtForz> 17.6Gh/s
2416 2011-01-17 22:13:08 <kiba> thanks for the business!
2417 2011-01-17 22:13:14 <ArtForz> switched all miners to CAL IL + BFI_INT
2418 2011-01-17 22:13:51 <sipa> which means which speed on stock 5970?
2419 2011-01-17 22:14:22 <ArtForz> 593Mh/s
2420 2011-01-17 22:15:00 <sipa> nice :)
2421 2011-01-17 22:15:06 <Myckel> bye
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2423 2011-01-17 22:15:12 <ArtForz> only using a single kernel
2424 2011-01-17 22:15:28 <kiba> first freelance job in bitcoin economy, completed!
2425 2011-01-17 22:15:32 <ArtForz> = I don't have another kernel in-flight while I process results/check for network messages/set up next run
2426 2011-01-17 22:16:09 <ArtForz> my simple burn-in test CAL code does that, 607Mh/s
2427 2011-01-17 22:16:40 <ArtForz> = another 2.3% or so faster
2428 2011-01-17 22:17:23 <ArtForz> but... meh
2429 2011-01-17 22:18:58 <lyspooner> ArtForz, your machines are stuck on the sell button at mtgox. can you turn your fans on or something
2430 2011-01-17 22:19:41 <ArtForz> yeah, I'm watching #bitcoin-market, too
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2432 2011-01-17 22:22:50 <kiba> I think I actually earn bitcoins in more ways than anybody in the economy so far
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2434 2011-01-17 22:24:25 * Diablo-D3 sighs
2435 2011-01-17 22:24:31 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: dont release your miner.
2436 2011-01-17 22:24:43 <Diablo-D3> either that, or figure out how to make my miner do that
2437 2011-01-17 22:28:05 <ArtForz> shrug, can't be arsed to adapt my mess to getwork anyways
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2440 2011-01-17 22:29:39 <ArtForz> ~1kloc C, one comment: //NO BSWAP
2441 2011-01-17 22:29:50 <kiba> what's with the prize drop?
2442 2011-01-17 22:30:30 <ArtForz> with a 322 line main()
2443 2011-01-17 22:31:16 <ArtForz> *shrug* guess someone wanted to sell
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2445 2011-01-17 22:31:48 <kiba> it's not looking good
2446 2011-01-17 22:32:02 <ArtForz> huh?
2447 2011-01-17 22:32:19 <kiba> price crash
2448 2011-01-17 22:32:23 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: you dont have to mess with getwork
2449 2011-01-17 22:32:26 <Diablo-D3> my client already does that =P
2450 2011-01-17 22:32:42 <kiba> the only signfigant resistance is at 0.30
2451 2011-01-17 22:32:42 <ArtForz> yeah, now figure out how to interface java with CAL
2452 2011-01-17 22:34:00 <ArtForz> *shrug*
2453 2011-01-17 22:34:53 <sipa> how do you interface with CAL now?
2454 2011-01-17 22:35:17 <ArtForz> errr... #include <cal.h> ?
2455 2011-01-17 22:35:34 <sipa> oh, ok
2456 2011-01-17 22:35:47 <ArtForz> and link against libatical
2457 2011-01-17 22:35:57 <sipa> i should read about it :)
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2460 2011-01-17 22:43:29 <brocktice> Why would bitcoin stall at 50-some-thousand blocks when downloading the chain?
2461 2011-01-17 22:43:37 <brocktice> Nothing revealing that I can see in debug.log
2462 2011-01-17 22:44:19 <sipa> it may help to stop bitcoin and restart it :)
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2464 2011-01-17 22:44:45 <brocktice> actually
2465 2011-01-17 22:44:55 <brocktice> does 'height' in debug.log == # of blocks?
2466 2011-01-17 22:44:59 <brocktice> If so, then the GUI is just not updating.
2467 2011-01-17 22:45:22 <edcba> maybe height-1
2468 2011-01-17 22:45:37 <brocktice> that is up to 75k
2469 2011-01-17 22:45:43 <brocktice> gui still says 50k or so
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2473 2011-01-17 22:49:06 <lfm> they should be the same yes
2474 2011-01-17 22:49:38 <brocktice> Well, it's just an Eee 701, maybe it can't keep up
2475 2011-01-17 22:49:45 <brocktice> I'll see when it's done downloading
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2480 2011-01-17 22:55:24 <lfm> brocktice what on earth are you trying to do with a poor little eeepc like that?
2481 2011-01-17 22:55:42 <brocktice> lfm: Dedicated bitcoin machine
2482 2011-01-17 22:55:54 <brocktice> It was just sitting around
2483 2011-01-17 22:56:34 <nanotube> just don't generate on it or it'll probably overheat.
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2486 2011-01-17 22:59:04 <sgornick> what's up with this? https://smsz.net/btcStats/accepting 12K nodes accepting? I've never seen it above 3 or 4.
2487 2011-01-17 23:01:01 <ArtForz> ?
2488 2011-01-17 23:06:14 <andrew12> wut
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2490 2011-01-17 23:11:16 <nevezen> bitcoin on eeepc? hehe
2491 2011-01-17 23:11:31 <kiba> I have an eeepc
2492 2011-01-17 23:11:57 <nevezen> I've got an HP mini 311
2493 2011-01-17 23:12:08 james_ has joined
2494 2011-01-17 23:12:09 <nevezen> about 2Mh/s
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2496 2011-01-17 23:13:16 <slush> eeepc is running Intel Atom, same as my desktop
2497 2011-01-17 23:13:31 <slush> not too bad machine :)
2498 2011-01-17 23:13:34 <lfm> 701 was a celeron
2499 2011-01-17 23:14:05 <[Noodles]> you've got a dual-core-atom on your desktop, don't you?
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2501 2011-01-17 23:17:49 <slush> yes
2502 2011-01-17 23:17:54 <slush> on ION chipset
2503 2011-01-17 23:18:02 <slush> so total hash power is 3mhash
2504 2011-01-17 23:18:10 <ArtForz> woot
2505 2011-01-17 23:18:10 <slush> GPU 2, cpu 1
2506 2011-01-17 23:18:15 <andrew12> not fair :(
2507 2011-01-17 23:18:18 <ArtForz> 3 blocks in a row
2508 2011-01-17 23:18:31 <nanotube> haha nice
2509 2011-01-17 23:18:38 <sipa> i only have 2 :(
2510 2011-01-17 23:18:40 <sipa> ever :(
2511 2011-01-17 23:18:50 <andrew12> i only have 0
2512 2011-01-17 23:18:53 <andrew12> :p
2513 2011-01-17 23:19:02 <andrew12> besides what i've got from the pool
2514 2011-01-17 23:21:39 <ArtForz> look like my miners are having a lucky streak
2515 2011-01-17 23:21:47 <andrew12> people that leave their ipv6 address in their hostname are just bragging :(
2516 2011-01-17 23:22:29 <ArtForz> ~40% over expected #blocks since start of 18437
2517 2011-01-17 23:23:20 <sipa> *block* 18437? :o
2518 2011-01-17 23:23:27 <ArtForz> no, difficulty
2519 2011-01-17 23:23:38 <slush> ;;bc,stats
2520 2011-01-17 23:23:39 <andrew12> someone else join #bitcoin-discussion so we can increase the peak ^.^
2521 2011-01-17 23:23:41 <gribble> Current Blocks: 103230 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 1601 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 3 hours, 14 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 22482.62992587
2522 2011-01-17 23:23:52 * sipa slaps himself with a large ATI Radeon HD 5970
2523 2011-01-17 23:24:24 * andrew12 drools
2524 2011-01-17 23:24:29 <slush> it's implication of rising price
2525 2011-01-17 23:29:33 <nanotube> sipa: haha yea that'd have been quite a lucky streak.
2526 2011-01-17 23:30:01 <andrew12> did we just generate two blocks in the same minute? or is #bitcoin-monitor lying to me
2527 2011-01-17 23:32:18 <nanotube> andrew12: yes, it happens.
2528 2011-01-17 23:32:46 <andrew12> \o/
2529 2011-01-17 23:33:27 <andrew12> oi. that channel is going to peak :p
2530 2011-01-17 23:33:38 <Diablo-D3> [06:19:31] * sipa slaps himself with a large ATI Radeon HD 5970
2531 2011-01-17 23:33:42 <Diablo-D3> third degree burns
2532 2011-01-17 23:33:46 <andrew12> ;;channelstats
2533 2011-01-17 23:33:47 <gribble> On #bitcoin-dev there have been 211644 messages, containing 9582012 characters, 1708956 words, 9826 smileys, and 563 frowns; 2580 of those messages were ACTIONs. There have been 13092 joins, 787 parts, 12199 quits, 4 kicks, 170 mode changes, and 13 topic changes. There are currently 149 users and the channel has peaked at 158 users.
2534 2011-01-17 23:34:28 Jiffy has joined
2535 2011-01-17 23:35:21 <sipa> Diablo-D3: obviously it was using wireless power
2536 2011-01-17 23:35:30 <slush> ;;bc,calcd 600000 23000
2537 2011-01-17 23:35:31 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 600000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 23000, is 1 day, 21 hours, 44 minutes, and 0 seconds
2538 2011-01-17 23:38:01 <slush> ;;view
2539 2011-01-17 23:38:01 <gribble> #322 Sat Jan 15 06:55:22 2011 unaffiliated/slush SELL 100.0 BTC @ 7.3 CZK (Paypalem, bankovnÃm pÅevodem nebo tÅeba osobnÄ v Praze :-))
2540 2011-01-17 23:38:16 <slush> ;;remove 322
2541 2011-01-17 23:38:17 <gribble> Order remove successful, 1 orders removed.
2542 2011-01-17 23:38:41 <slush> ;;sell 100 BTC @ 6.6 CZK Paypalem, bankovnÃm pÅevodem nebo tÅeba osobnÄ v Praze :-)
2543 2011-01-17 23:38:41 <gribble> Order entry successful. Use 'view' command to view your open orders.
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2547 2011-01-17 23:56:53 <andrew12> tcatm: did your bitcoind for android ever finish compiling? :p
2548 2011-01-17 23:57:02 <tcatm> andrew12: yep
2549 2011-01-17 23:57:06 <tcatm> segmentation fault
2550 2011-01-17 23:57:12 <andrew12> :c
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