1 2011-01-18 00:00:44 <sgornick> ;;view
   2 2011-01-18 00:00:44 <gribble> #335 Mon Jan 17 14:36:41 2011 unaffiliated/sgornick BUY 22.388 BTC @ 0.335 DWUSD (I pay 0.25 trx fee, you'll receive $7.50 Dwollas.)
   3 2011-01-18 00:00:47 <sgornick> ;;remove 335
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   5 2011-01-18 00:00:52 <sgornick> ;;bc,mtgox
   6 2011-01-18 00:00:52 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.3868,"low":0.315,"vol":18241,"buy":0.321,"sell":0.3495,"last":0.3495}}
   7 2011-01-18 00:02:16 <sgornick> ;;buy 20 BTC @ 0.375 DWUSD You'll receive $7.50 through Dwolla.
   8 2011-01-18 00:02:17 <gribble> Order entry successful. Use 'view' command to view your open orders.
   9 2011-01-18 00:02:57 <andrew12^mac> should use #bitcoin-otc for that
  10 2011-01-18 00:03:33 <sgornick> crap, sorry ... too many windows open.   #pidgin
  11 2011-01-18 00:03:38 <andrew12^mac> :p
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  14 2011-01-18 00:13:50 <hacim> what miner should I use for a nvidia geforce (8800GT)
  15 2011-01-18 00:14:06 <andrew12^mac> try them all until you get a good one :p
  16 2011-01-18 00:14:22 <andrew12^mac> there's a link to each on http://mining.bitcoin.cz/
  17 2011-01-18 00:14:33 <andrew12^mac> er, there's a link to a few*
  18 2011-01-18 00:15:26 <ArtForz> probably puddinpops CUDA miner
  19 2011-01-18 00:15:59 <Diablo-D3> that reminds me
  20 2011-01-18 00:16:07 <Diablo-D3> slush: quit telling people to try a url with my miner
  21 2011-01-18 00:16:09 <ArtForz> 8800GT is pretty slow, maybe 25Mh/s max
  22 2011-01-18 00:16:26 <andrew12^mac> >25Mh/s is slow
  23 2011-01-18 00:16:27 <Diablo-D3> slush: noobdearia was dumb enough to try it, assume others have as well
  24 2011-01-18 00:17:27 <slush> you mean 'http://'?
  25 2011-01-18 00:17:36 <sipa> yes, he means that :)
  26 2011-01-18 00:17:41 <ArtForz> well, considering it uses as much power as a 5770, which does 156Mh/s... it *is* slow
  27 2011-01-18 00:17:41 <Diablo-D3> yes
  28 2011-01-18 00:17:53 <Diablo-D3> slush: just tell them the fucking command line so they can copy pasta dumbly
  29 2011-01-18 00:17:56 <slush> I don't know that your miner is not URL compatible :) It is JSON RPC interface over HTTP, so URL is fully correct ;)
  30 2011-01-18 00:18:00 <Diablo-D3> expecting people to thin kisnt worth it
  31 2011-01-18 00:18:09 <Diablo-D3> slush: it expects a host and a port
  32 2011-01-18 00:18:22 <Diablo-D3> it assembles the same url internally.
  33 2011-01-18 00:18:29 <slush> * I don't _care_ that  .... :)
  34 2011-01-18 00:18:41 <tcatm> I hate it when I need to type find -type f rm {} \; :/
  35 2011-01-18 00:18:47 <slush> Diablo-D3: why not let user pass full url?
  36 2011-01-18 00:19:14 <Diablo-D3> slush: because until you implement https, I have no reason to.
  37 2011-01-18 00:19:56 <tcatm> just use a regex to get host/port from the url :P
  38 2011-01-18 00:19:56 <slush> there is reason
  39 2011-01-18 00:20:02 <ArtForz> it's java, not perl
  40 2011-01-18 00:20:12 <Diablo-D3> tcatm: whats that old saying about regexen? you think you have a problem that can be solved with a regex, now you have two problems
  41 2011-01-18 00:20:19 <slush> because your implementation I have to perform port redirections on server
  42 2011-01-18 00:20:31 <Diablo-D3> slush: huh?
  43 2011-01-18 00:20:50 <slush> Diablo-D3: because all other miners allow to specify path
  44 2011-01-18 00:21:00 <tcatm> I don't know anything about java, but it looks like this http://download.oracle.com/javase/1.4.2/docs/api/java/net/URI.html could help :P
  45 2011-01-18 00:21:00 <hacim> err, how do I build this puddinpops CUDA miner
  46 2011-01-18 00:21:01 <slush> physically the getwork is on /getwork/ address
  47 2011-01-18 00:21:03 <Diablo-D3> slush: but why port redirection? you have to use -r.
  48 2011-01-18 00:21:15 <slush> on port 80
  49 2011-01-18 00:21:20 <hacim> cmake cmake-bitcoinr?
  50 2011-01-18 00:21:22 <Diablo-D3> tcatm: shuddup.
  51 2011-01-18 00:21:29 <Diablo-D3> tcatm: and URI internally is fucking shit
  52 2011-01-18 00:21:33 <Diablo-D3> go look at the soruce
  53 2011-01-18 00:21:37 <Diablo-D3> someone needs to get shot for that
  54 2011-01-18 00:21:45 <Diablo-D3> slush: then DONT redirect
  55 2011-01-18 00:21:49 <slush> Diablo-D3: It's just not possible to change homepage for getwork RPC ;)
  56 2011-01-18 00:21:50 <Diablo-D3> slush: they forgot to add -r.
  57 2011-01-18 00:22:08 <slush> it's not client redirect
  58 2011-01-18 00:22:09 <andrew12^mac> :{:|:&};:
  59 2011-01-18 00:22:10 <slush> it's internal
  60 2011-01-18 00:22:13 <andrew12^mac> er
  61 2011-01-18 00:22:16 <ArtForz> while for java it's "every problem can be solved by adding another layer of abstraction, except the problem of having too many layers of abstraction"
  62 2011-01-18 00:22:17 <andrew12^mac> :(){:|:&};:
  63 2011-01-18 00:22:29 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: except layers of abstraction are really fucking cheap in java
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  65 2011-01-18 00:22:30 * andrew12^mac abstracts ArtForz
  66 2011-01-18 00:22:40 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: its only when you have JEE coding Indians who are fucking retards that it becomes a problem
  67 2011-01-18 00:22:46 <ArtForz> yeah, and lead to nice ravioli code
  68 2011-01-18 00:22:56 <sipa> haha
  69 2011-01-18 00:23:04 <Diablo-D3> dotn you mean spaghetti?
  70 2011-01-18 00:23:10 <ArtForz> no, ravioli
  71 2011-01-18 00:23:12 <ArtForz> = dig through 7 layers of classes just to find one routine that actually does something
  72 2011-01-18 00:23:18 <andrew12^mac> lol
  73 2011-01-18 00:23:19 <tcatm> spaghetti was basic
  74 2011-01-18 00:23:30 <andrew12^mac> spaghetti code is when you don't have any abstraction :P
  75 2011-01-18 00:23:36 <Diablo-D3> YO DAWG, I HERD YOU LIKE INTERFACES, SO I EXTENDED YOUR INTERFACE WITH AN INTERFACE, SO YOU CAN IMPLEMENT WHILE YOU IMPLEMENT
  76 2011-01-18 00:23:37 <ArtForz> yep
  77 2011-01-18 00:23:48 <ArtForz> spaghetti = not enough structure, ravioli = too much structure
  78 2011-01-18 00:23:55 <ArtForz> both bad
  79 2011-01-18 00:24:32 <hacim> i am totally missing how I make this cuda miner
  80 2011-01-18 00:24:34 * sipa wonders what pizza code would be
  81 2011-01-18 00:24:35 <ArtForz> and for some reason bad C coders produce spaghetti, bad java coders ravioli
  82 2011-01-18 00:24:53 <andrew12^mac> what about ruby? :p
  83 2011-01-18 00:24:57 <sipa> hacim: no idea, sorry
  84 2011-01-18 00:25:13 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: so what we need is
  85 2011-01-18 00:25:17 <Diablo-D3> a good perl coder who does java
  86 2011-01-18 00:25:31 <ArtForz> object oriented line noise?
  87 2011-01-18 00:25:56 <ArtForz> *ducks*
  88 2011-01-18 00:25:56 <andrew12^mac> perl for minecraft
  89 2011-01-18 00:26:04 <andrew12^mac> ABC&&r
  90 2011-01-18 00:26:06 <andrew12^mac> guess what that does
  91 2011-01-18 00:26:17 <tcatm> If you keep your objects short that might work well on 16:9 screens. one line per class :)
  92 2011-01-18 00:26:27 <ArtForz> hahaha
  93 2011-01-18 00:27:12 <ArtForz> or get a bunch of python coders together ... TABS! SPACES! TABS!
  94 2011-01-18 00:27:15 <andrew12^mac> tcatm: Is the #bitcoin-monitor bot open source? :o
  95 2011-01-18 00:27:25 <tcatm> andrew12^mac: kinda...
  96 2011-01-18 00:27:29 <andrew12^mac> ArtForz: that's precisely why I hate python now :p
  97 2011-01-18 00:27:39 <tcatm> andrew12^mac: it's so trivial to write that I didn't bother to opensource it
  98 2011-01-18 00:27:40 <Diablo-D3> [07:21:10] <ArtForz> object oriented line noise?
  99 2011-01-18 00:27:42 <andrew12^mac> well, not really *hate*, but i'd much prefer ruby
 100 2011-01-18 00:27:42 <Diablo-D3> oh christ
 101 2011-01-18 00:27:43 <Diablo-D3> I lol'd
 102 2011-01-18 00:27:46 <Diablo-D3> and I shouldnt have
 103 2011-01-18 00:28:03 <andrew12^mac> tcatm: I wanna see it :p
 104 2011-01-18 00:28:21 <ArtForz> I kinda like python for writing C
 105 2011-01-18 00:28:29 <Cusipzzz> uh, ya, colors in -monitor are a bit painful ;)
 106 2011-01-18 00:28:45 <ArtForz> I write C in about 7 languages ;)
 107 2011-01-18 00:29:12 <Diablo-D3> [07:21:56] <tcatm> If you keep your objects short that might work well on 16:9 screens. one line per class :)
 108 2011-01-18 00:29:19 <Diablo-D3> btw, has anyone actually looked at my miner?
 109 2011-01-18 00:29:24 * hacim stabs
 110 2011-01-18 00:29:28 <Diablo-D3> This is why people like me should not write Java.
 111 2011-01-18 00:29:35 <Diablo-D3> no comments, and it doesnt need them either
 112 2011-01-18 00:29:52 <slush> Diablo-D3: If you think...
 113 2011-01-18 00:30:00 <slush> :)
 114 2011-01-18 00:30:33 <ArtForz> if it was hard to write, it should be hard to read!
 115 2011-01-18 00:30:45 <Diablo-D3> well, something was hard, anyways
 116 2011-01-18 00:30:49 <Diablo-D3> ask your mom about it someday
 117 2011-01-18 00:30:59 <nanotube> andrew12^mac: why hate python? just use spaces and be done with it. :)
 118 2011-01-18 00:31:05 <ArtForz> TABS
 119 2011-01-18 00:31:05 <Diablo-D3> FUCKING PYTHON
 120 2011-01-18 00:31:08 <tcatm> andrew12^mac: http://pastebin.com/NybAaUtr
 121 2011-01-18 00:31:10 <Diablo-D3> OH CHRIST I HATE PYTHON
 122 2011-01-18 00:31:23 <Diablo-D3> WHITE SPACE SHOULD NO BE FUCKING SYNTACITCALLY VALID
 123 2011-01-18 00:31:28 <gavinandresen> python is awesome.
 124 2011-01-18 00:31:40 <ArtForz> yes, let's use curly brackets AND whitespace
 125 2011-01-18 00:31:43 <slush> Diablo-D3: nobody with normal editor care about spaces
 126 2011-01-18 00:32:12 <ArtForz> yep
 127 2011-01-18 00:32:31 <ArtForz> any decent code editor can indent using whatever you set as standard for the project
 128 2011-01-18 00:32:40 <Diablo-D3> slush: that fucktard from awhile back did
 129 2011-01-18 00:32:41 <nanotube> indeed... just follow the convention of whatever project you're working on, and forget about it.
 130 2011-01-18 00:32:42 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: what was his name?
 131 2011-01-18 00:32:52 <Diablo-D3> the guy who forked my miner and then turned it into shit and tried to get me to fix it
 132 2011-01-18 00:32:59 <ArtForz> no clue
 133 2011-01-18 00:34:12 <ArtForz> but I remember it sucked pretty badly
 134 2011-01-18 00:34:49 <hacim> somehow I have to disable wxwidgets
 135 2011-01-18 00:35:02 <ArtForz> wasn't it pretty much diablominer+a bunch of useless debug output?
 136 2011-01-18 00:36:44 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: yes
 137 2011-01-18 00:36:52 <andrew12> or you can use ruby and not have to worry about curly brackets or whitespace ;)
 138 2011-01-18 00:36:53 <Diablo-D3> and then he bitched when I finally DID add it (much cleaner and saner)
 139 2011-01-18 00:37:10 <Diablo-D3> andrew12: touch my curly brackets and I will punch you in the dick
 140 2011-01-18 00:37:26 <andrew12> or just write it in whitespace: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_(programming_language)
 141 2011-01-18 00:38:16 <hacim> anyone know how, in cmake, to disable the wxwidgets stuff?
 142 2011-01-18 00:39:28 <andrew12> oh my god
 143 2011-01-18 00:39:29 <andrew12> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyglot_(computing)
 144 2011-01-18 00:40:32 <luke-jr> hacim: qmake doesn't do wxwidgets
 145 2011-01-18 00:41:35 <andrew12> http://ideology.com.au/polyglot/
 146 2011-01-18 00:41:53 <Diablo-D3> hacim: easy, make bitcoind
 147 2011-01-18 00:41:57 <Diablo-D3> er, oh, cmake? fuck that
 148 2011-01-18 00:42:31 <slush> andrew12 my favorites are Oook and Brainfuck
 149 2011-01-18 00:44:24 <sipa> andrew12: i once met the author of whitespace :)
 150 2011-01-18 00:44:25 <hacim> luke-jr: so how do I make this cuda miner then?
 151 2011-01-18 00:45:07 <luke-jr> nfc
 152 2011-01-18 00:45:17 <ArtForz> http://pastebin.com/F8g5KQVv
 153 2011-01-18 00:47:07 <ArtForz> if you know what that does, you earned a cookie ;)
 154 2011-01-18 00:48:21 <andrew12> its funny that I actually understand brainfuck, and, with a bit of time, I can interpret it o paper
 155 2011-01-18 00:48:27 <andrew12> on paper*
 156 2011-01-18 00:49:03 <andrew12> arcatan: no clue what that does, but I can compress it into 1 line for you
 157 2011-01-18 00:49:24 <andrew12> ArtForz**
 158 2011-01-18 00:50:19 <ArtForz> replaces all BYTE_ALIGN instructions in a R8xx shader binary with BFI_INT
 159 2011-01-18 00:50:33 <andrew12> >greek
 160 2011-01-18 00:50:51 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: which will be useless when sdk 2.4 cures cancer.
 161 2011-01-18 00:51:21 <ArtForz> yup
 162 2011-01-18 00:51:49 <ArtForz> I'm just surprised how the fuck I managed to write that one
 163 2011-01-18 00:52:04 <andrew12> here come the hax!
 164 2011-01-18 00:52:46 <ArtForz> guess I should never write code while trying to understand the spec
 165 2011-01-18 00:53:15 <andrew12> Day of the day of the day
 166 2011-01-18 00:53:15 <andrew12> Today's day of the day is Tuesday January 18, 2011
 167 2011-01-18 00:53:21 <andrew12> what the hell is that supposed to mean
 168 2011-01-18 00:53:51 <Diablo-D3> YO DAWG, I HERD YOU LIKE DAYS, SO I PUT A DAY IN YOUR DAY, SO YOU CAN HAVE THE DAY OF THE DAY
 169 2011-01-18 00:53:59 <andrew12> sure
 170 2011-01-18 00:54:12 <andrew12> http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Language_list
 171 2011-01-18 00:55:13 <andrew12> lmfao
 172 2011-01-18 00:55:14 <andrew12> http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Dumbf*ck
 173 2011-01-18 01:01:18 <lfm> $ ddate
 174 2011-01-18 01:01:18 <lfm> Today is Boomtime, the 17th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3177
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 176 2011-01-18 01:11:40 <andrew12> yay
 177 2011-01-18 01:11:48 <andrew12> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck now has syntax highlighting on all the examples :]
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 181 2011-01-18 01:16:52 <slush> andrew12 you did?
 182 2011-01-18 01:16:58 <slush> (last edited ...)
 183 2011-01-18 01:19:24 <andrew12> yep
 184 2011-01-18 01:19:38 <andrew12> took forever :p
 185 2011-01-18 01:20:03 <andrew12> some people were using <nowiki> and some <code>
 186 2011-01-18 01:20:07 <andrew12> I probably missed some..
 187 2011-01-18 01:20:39 <andrew12> my largest wiki edit ever :P
 188 2011-01-18 01:23:06 <slush> nice :)
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 190 2011-01-18 01:28:09 <nevezen> finally made it to 5 btc after 4-5 days in the pool
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 196 2011-01-18 01:37:52 <hacim> Diablo-D3: so your miner hasn't been tested on nvidia?
 197 2011-01-18 01:39:28 <midnightmagic> examples like this: printf("\n\nPROCESSMESSAGE MESSAGESTART NOT FOUND\n\n"); vRecv.erase(vRecv.begin(), vRecv.end() - nHeaderSize); ... make me happy when I find them.
 198 2011-01-18 01:40:04 <Diablo-D3> hacim: yes, it works
 199 2011-01-18 01:40:28 <Diablo-D3> andrew12: they should use <pre> really
 200 2011-01-18 01:40:38 <Diablo-D3> hacim: just makes sure your driver is up to date
 201 2011-01-18 01:40:39 <andrew12> well then it won't be highlighted
 202 2011-01-18 01:40:59 <andrew12> and <pre> isn't valid anymore iirc
 203 2011-01-18 01:43:35 <hacim> i guess I need the cuda toolkit too
 204 2011-01-18 01:45:42 <andrew12^mac> bash -c bash -c bash -c bash -c bash
 205 2011-01-18 01:45:50 <andrew12^mac> yo dawg, i heard you like command lines...
 206 2011-01-18 01:47:58 <ArtForz> hehehe
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 208 2011-01-18 01:49:55 <noobdearia> So, I was just thinking
 209 2011-01-18 01:50:06 <andrew12> [08:44:41p] <&andrew> or
 210 2011-01-18 01:50:07 <andrew12> [08:44:44p] <&andrew> use screen
 211 2011-01-18 01:50:07 <andrew12> [08:44:55p] <&andrew> and run a screen in a screen in a screen in a screen in a *bang*
 212 2011-01-18 01:50:19 <andrew12> noobdearia: you were?!
 213 2011-01-18 01:50:29 <noobdearia> That it would be very helpful to inform farmers and other individuals who contribute to nonmass and more localized food production to accept and take advantage of Bitcoin.
 214 2011-01-18 01:50:47 <noobdearia> It may help to establish the opportunity for food to be purchasable or made available for exchange with bitcoins
 215 2011-01-18 01:50:56 <kiba> noobdearia: how's your pizza4BTC going?
 216 2011-01-18 01:51:13 <donpdonp> pizza4btc sounds like awesomeness
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 218 2011-01-18 01:52:15 <noobdearia> kiba: In its current form of idea, it may not succeed as I had anticipated based on the idea that usd and other currencies (that are likely to fail at any moment) would be used in purchasing the pizzas.  Therefore the site would only offer a temporary means to purchase pizza with bitcoins.
 219 2011-01-18 01:52:57 <noobdearia> temporary while usd still has about the same value as it does now.
 220 2011-01-18 01:53:27 <andrew12> ask pizza hut to accept btc ;)
 221 2011-01-18 01:53:34 <noobdearia> I have contacted them.
 222 2011-01-18 01:53:43 <andrew12> and?
 223 2011-01-18 01:53:50 <noobdearia> They are not interested at this time.
 224 2011-01-18 01:53:54 <kiba> of course
 225 2011-01-18 01:53:55 <andrew12> :(
 226 2011-01-18 01:54:01 <kiba> they're a large company
 227 2011-01-18 01:54:16 <andrew12> next: microsoft? :p
 228 2011-01-18 01:54:39 <noobdearia> monopolies and large corporations, franchises should not be the target for trying to promote Bitcoin to.  It will not work as well as smaller entities, organizations and businesses.
 229 2011-01-18 01:55:10 <noobdearia> Besides, larger corporations are not so exciting either.
 230 2011-01-18 01:55:32 <noobdearia> It would be more exciting to support the existence and sustainability of smaller, more localized and friendly establishments.
 231 2011-01-18 01:55:35 <andrew12> hehe, it's kinda lame for people to just sell things at the mtgox rate :P
 232 2011-01-18 01:55:43 <noobdearia> especially for farms and food resellers
 233 2011-01-18 01:56:07 <noobdearia> e.g. family owned pizza restaurants I could possibly influence to show acceptance towards Bitcoin
 234 2011-01-18 01:56:13 * kiba doesn't give a damn about localization
 235 2011-01-18 01:56:25 * noobdearia thinks kiba likes sprawl
 236 2011-01-18 01:56:45 <kiba> not at all, I just don't buy into the whole localism thing
 237 2011-01-18 01:57:13 <ArtForz> ?
 238 2011-01-18 01:57:16 <noobdearia> Do you buy into the idea of having local friends?
 239 2011-01-18 01:57:20 <noobdearia> or local family?
 240 2011-01-18 01:57:25 <ArtForz> you wanna ship pizza internationally or something?
 241 2011-01-18 01:57:28 <noobdearia> Or do you accept your family being distant?
 242 2011-01-18 01:57:28 <kiba> so? What about it?
 243 2011-01-18 01:57:52 <kiba> this is about figuring out the most efficent way to do things
 244 2011-01-18 01:57:57 <noobdearia> Not quite
 245 2011-01-18 01:58:02 <noobdearia> most efficient is not necessarily the best
 246 2011-01-18 01:58:09 <kiba> it is for me.
 247 2011-01-18 01:58:11 <kiba> I alway like more
 248 2011-01-18 01:58:16 <kiba> more food
 249 2011-01-18 01:58:17 <noobdearia> Most efficient way to do things has led the food industry to what it is now
 250 2011-01-18 01:58:18 <kiba> more water
 251 2011-01-18 01:58:20 <kiba> more everything
 252 2011-01-18 01:59:20 <kiba> noobdearia: some people just like cheap food
 253 2011-01-18 01:59:46 <noobdearia> yes, of course, but "cheap" is easy to misunderstand
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 255 2011-01-18 02:00:17 * kiba hates making his own food
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 257 2011-01-18 02:01:20 <kiba> we need a ration cube!
 258 2011-01-18 02:01:41 <kiba> it taste like bacon and it give you all your micronutrition plus some calories to sustain yourself
 259 2011-01-18 02:02:06 <noagendamarket> just eat baked beans in a can :)
 260 2011-01-18 02:02:18 <brocktice> bitcoin4mre?
 261 2011-01-18 02:02:24 <brocktice> bitcoin4cration?
 262 2011-01-18 02:02:25 <kiba> but it doesn't taste like bacons :(
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 264 2011-01-18 02:02:43 <brocktice> kiba: then you're not getting the right baked beans, man
 265 2011-01-18 02:02:50 <kiba> some days, I don't care about eating. I just need a ration cube
 266 2011-01-18 02:03:08 <brocktice> weight gain 4000
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 272 2011-01-18 02:10:35 <luke-jr> andrew12: but if we don't, people complain :P
 273 2011-01-18 02:11:03 <luke-jr> andrew12: since BTC value is (almost) always rising, setting fixed BTC prices means they're almost always a higher cost than USD
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 275 2011-01-18 02:12:17 <noagendamarket> You can get baked beans with bacon lol
 276 2011-01-18 02:12:27 <noagendamarket> mmmm bacon
 277 2011-01-18 02:12:29 <brocktice> 19:53 < brocktice> kiba: then you're not getting the right baked beans, man
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 279 2011-01-18 02:26:29 <andrew12> I wonder if the difficulty will eventually be so high that generating coins is like impossible
 280 2011-01-18 02:26:38 <andrew12> s/coins/blocks/
 281 2011-01-18 02:27:44 <ArtForz> sounds kinda implausible
 282 2011-01-18 02:28:50 <ArtForz> though we might see interesting stuff happen at the 50->25 btc reward drop
 283 2011-01-18 02:28:52 <midnightmagic> people would drop out and it would come back down again. :-)
 284 2011-01-18 02:29:04 <ArtForz> well... if difficulty rises gradually... yes
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 286 2011-01-18 02:30:36 <ArtForz> it could get interesting when a large majority of generators are running with only small profit and a) someone throws a lot of hashrate at the network for a short time to massively increase difficulty or b) per-block reward halves
 287 2011-01-18 02:30:53 <ArtForz> now suddenly generation is uneconomical for a vast majority of miners
 288 2011-01-18 02:31:21 <ArtForz> = the 2016 blocks to the next difficulty might take several months
 289 2011-01-18 02:31:33 <ArtForz> *next difficulty adjustment
 290 2011-01-18 02:31:59 <andrew12> quick! everyone send themselves all of their bitcoins!
 291 2011-01-18 02:32:06 <luke-jr> andrew12: it already is
 292 2011-01-18 02:33:24 <luke-jr> ArtForz: yeah, I was wondering about that a couple weeks ago
 293 2011-01-18 02:34:09 <brocktice> depends on price
 294 2011-01-18 02:34:15 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,stats
 295 2011-01-18 02:34:18 <gribble> Current Blocks: 103251 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 1580 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 1 hour, 41 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 22366.95010936
 296 2011-01-18 02:34:18 <brocktice> right now profit margin is still pretty high
 297 2011-01-18 02:34:22 <ArtForz> yep
 298 2011-01-18 02:34:22 <andrew12> ArtForz: like when nenolod decided to get a bunch of amazon cloud stuff mining? :p
 299 2011-01-18 02:34:29 <ArtForz> when?
 300 2011-01-18 02:34:33 <andrew12> in like july
 301 2011-01-18 02:34:35 <midnightmagic> but people keep saying profit margin isn't worth it to pick up a 5970..?
 302 2011-01-18 02:34:49 <brocktice> midnightmagic: it'd take a while to pay off
 303 2011-01-18 02:34:55 <midnightmagic> ah, got it.
 304 2011-01-18 02:34:59 <brocktice> midnightmagic: but it would still be profitable
 305 2011-01-18 02:35:05 <andrew12> you could also use a good card to do other things, like..play games.
 306 2011-01-18 02:35:05 <ArtForz> except his claimed node #s dont match up with time/block
 307 2011-01-18 02:35:06 <andrew12> :P
 308 2011-01-18 02:35:06 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: maybe because the more people do it, the less likely anyoen will make it back
 309 2011-01-18 02:35:33 <midnightmagic> =]
 310 2011-01-18 02:35:36 <luke-jr> hmm
 311 2011-01-18 02:35:38 <ArtForz> magically the network hashrate didnt drop AT ALL when he shut down his claimed $largenum of nodes
 312 2011-01-18 02:35:52 <andrew12> ArtForz: what's worse is apparently he lost all of his BTC because he reformatted
 313 2011-01-18 02:36:04 <andrew12> so it apparently wasn't important to him
 314 2011-01-18 02:36:07 <andrew12> heh
 315 2011-01-18 02:36:10 <luke-jr> anyone want to offer me 500 BTC in exchange for me *not* getting a good GPU miner and mining? :P
 316 2011-01-18 02:36:14 <Cusipzzz> lol
 317 2011-01-18 02:36:30 <midnightmagic> how about I offer you some BTC TO buy a good gpu and start mining..?
 318 2011-01-18 02:36:45 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: why would you do that?
 319 2011-01-18 02:36:56 <andrew12> luke-jr: he'd probably want a share ;)
 320 2011-01-18 02:36:57 <ArtForz> and his claimed "starting more nodes" *exactly* coincides with the influx of new miners from /. ... what a coincidence!
 321 2011-01-18 02:37:16 <luke-jr> andrew12: well, that's kinda what I'm trying to do with the inverse :P
 322 2011-01-18 02:37:49 <andrew12> hey, if someone wants to send me 10 BTC i'll kill all my miners :p
 323 2011-01-18 02:37:51 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: just to be contrary. plus it strengthens the currency.
 324 2011-01-18 02:37:55 <luke-jr> "share your BTC or I'll get my own!" :P
 325 2011-01-18 02:38:01 <midnightmagic> andrew12: really? :-)
 326 2011-01-18 02:38:14 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: just how much BTC do you want to send me? enough to buy the card? :P
 327 2011-01-18 02:38:17 <andrew12> midnightmagic: i've only got 1500kh/s ;)
 328 2011-01-18 02:38:23 <midnightmagic> :-)
 329 2011-01-18 02:38:26 <luke-jr> andrew12: that's far more than I
 330 2011-01-18 02:38:27 <ArtForz> didnt tcatm do this a while ago?
 331 2011-01-18 02:38:35 <luke-jr> ArtForz: ?
 332 2011-01-18 02:38:40 <ArtForz> rent out Mh/s for BTC
 333 2011-01-18 02:38:54 <luke-jr> dunno
 334 2011-01-18 02:38:55 <midnightmagic> i don't know. i better leave for dinner now before i sart capriciously handing out my bitcoins, thus making my wife frown and shake her head.
 335 2011-01-18 02:39:04 <luke-jr> XD
 336 2011-01-18 02:39:06 <andrew12> midnightmagic: do it!
 337 2011-01-18 02:39:08 <ArtForz> like 3 months ago iirc
 338 2011-01-18 02:39:40 <midnightmagic> how the heck does that work? :-)
 339 2011-01-18 02:39:49 <luke-jr> sounds liek gambling
 340 2011-01-18 02:39:49 <andrew12> also the only reason i'm getting 1500kh/s is because i'm running 3 miners (1 on this pc getting 500kh/s and 2 on my mac getting 500kh/s each)
 341 2011-01-18 02:39:49 <ArtForz> x BTC up-front to get the mining output from Y Mh/s after 4wk
 342 2011-01-18 02:40:01 <ArtForz> yep, pretty much betting on future difficulty
 343 2011-01-18 02:40:07 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: 1KczVqwopWXQdFLe5sNQbpCq7yGSmXx2oo
 344 2011-01-18 02:40:11 <Cusipzzz> lol
 345 2011-01-18 02:40:27 <andrew12> 1NkqZE4DA8h6Xbtz9GtJcfE1FcA8Z5yRJN
 346 2011-01-18 02:40:30 <andrew12> pl0x
 347 2011-01-18 02:40:34 <luke-jr> XD
 348 2011-01-18 02:40:37 <midnightmagic> HAHA hilarious..
 349 2011-01-18 02:40:49 <midnightmagic> take care
 350 2011-01-18 02:40:51 <midnightmagic> \o
 351 2011-01-18 02:40:54 <andrew12> o/
 352 2011-01-18 02:41:41 <andrew12> 1NkqZE4DA8h6Xbtz9GtJcfE1FcA8Z5yRJN now highlights me :)
 353 2011-01-18 02:50:45 <andrew12> thanks to whoever sent 0.01 btc o_O
 354 2011-01-18 02:55:47 Insti has joined
 355 2011-01-18 03:06:24 <luke-jr> XD
 356 2011-01-18 03:06:49 <andrew12> hmm
 357 2011-01-18 03:07:02 <andrew12> the block number in the bitcoin client doesn't count block 0?
 358 2011-01-18 03:07:17 <ArtForz> errr... it does
 359 2011-01-18 03:07:20 <ArtForz> block 0 is block 0
 360 2011-01-18 03:07:27 <ArtForz> block 1 is the block after that
 361 2011-01-18 03:08:00 <andrew12> it's saying 103254 blocks
 362 2011-01-18 03:08:23 <tcatm> luke-jr: I mined fractions of your TBC as fees :P
 363 2011-01-18 03:08:23 <andrew12> where there is really 103255 (counting block 0)
 364 2011-01-18 03:09:06 <ArtForz> real programmers count from 0
 365 2011-01-18 03:09:35 <ArtForz> it's displaying height, not # of blocks
 366 2011-01-18 03:09:54 <andrew12> yes, but this is the number of blocks. it's not showing that, it's showing the number of the newest block
 367 2011-01-18 03:10:01 <ArtForz> and the first block has height 0, because 0 came before it
 368 2011-01-18 03:10:11 <ArtForz> so the 2nd block has height 1, ...
 369 2011-01-18 03:10:12 <andrew12> bah
 370 2011-01-18 03:10:22 <andrew12> i don't understand what you're saying so i'm not going to argue :)
 371 2011-01-18 03:10:41 <ArtForz> it's a bit weird
 372 2011-01-18 03:10:50 <ArtForz> we used to display height+1, but that made it even weirder
 373 2011-01-18 03:11:04 <ArtForz> because then block 0 has height 1
 374 2011-01-18 03:11:12 <ArtForz> errr... the other way around
 375 2011-01-18 03:11:17 <andrew12> lol
 376 2011-01-18 03:11:40 <ArtForz> and we internally index blocks from 0
 377 2011-01-18 03:11:49 <andrew12> "we"?
 378 2011-01-18 03:11:55 <andrew12> :p
 379 2011-01-18 03:12:07 <andrew12> you sound like the King of All Cosmos
 380 2011-01-18 03:12:27 <ArtForz> "we" as in whoever wrote bitcoin, gavins bitcointools and my not-quite-a-client
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 382 2011-01-18 03:16:48 <andrew12> ArtForz: your not-quite-a-client? /interest
 383 2011-01-18 03:18:19 <andrew12> does the person that wrote bitcoin ever come in here? lol
 384 2011-01-18 03:19:17 <ArtForz> I think I pastebinned the source quite a while ago
 385 2011-01-18 03:19:29 <ArtForz> building on my half-a-client python network parser/builder
 386 2011-01-18 03:19:40 <ArtForz> *half-a-node
 387 2011-01-18 03:19:45 <andrew12> oh, i read something about a half-a-client
 388 2011-01-18 03:19:49 <andrew12> in here, earlier
 389 2011-01-18 03:19:51 <andrew12> it was probably you
 390 2011-01-18 03:20:57 <ArtForz> my not-quite-a-node finds peers, connects to a few, acceppts incoming connections, has a addr and block DB and stores and forwards blocks and transactions
 391 2011-01-18 03:21:35 <andrew12> i might try writing one in ruby if i dont have anything to do after school tomorrow
 392 2011-01-18 03:21:36 <ArtForz> doesn't verify transactions on its own though :/
 393 2011-01-18 03:22:33 <hacim> ArtForz: i hear you have some 6970s, wanna update https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_Hardware_Comparison with some stats?
 394 2011-01-18 03:23:29 <andrew12^mac> ArtForz: do you have a link to it? i wanna try running it later
 395 2011-01-18 03:23:48 <andrew12^mac> maybe write in some code so it's like 'I GOT A BLOCK FROM XXXXXX'
 396 2011-01-18 03:24:45 <andrew12^mac> well. i'll bbl
 397 2011-01-18 03:26:31 ProblemBit has joined
 398 2011-01-18 03:28:12 <ProblemBit> I have a problem (I think) I have Bitcoin installed on a pc for several month. Last version is installed. WinXP x64. I think there is no activity. The last confirmation was on 11/5/2010 and since this date there is no coin generated. Any hints please?
 399 2011-01-18 03:28:37 <tcatm> How many blocks does your client has?
 400 2011-01-18 03:28:42 <tcatm> ;;bc,blocks
 401 2011-01-18 03:28:45 <ProblemBit> 8 connections 103256 blocks 10 transactions
 402 2011-01-18 03:28:45 <gribble> 103256
 403 2011-01-18 03:28:58 <lfm> what is the khash/s rate?
 404 2011-01-18 03:28:58 <ProblemBit> how you know it :P
 405 2011-01-18 03:29:04 <ProblemBit> 3704
 406 2011-01-18 03:29:08 <ProblemBit> 3673
 407 2011-01-18 03:29:15 <ProblemBit> around that
 408 2011-01-18 03:29:18 <lfm> ;;bc,calc 3704
 409 2011-01-18 03:29:20 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 3704 Khps, given current difficulty of ERROR: Could not connect to JSON-RPC. Try again in a few minutes. Tell me if it still doesn't work in 30 minutes. , is 35 weeks, 2 days, 10 hours, 42 minutes, and 21 seconds
 410 2011-01-18 03:29:33 <ArtForz> aww :/
 411 2011-01-18 03:29:45 <ProblemBit> long..
 412 2011-01-18 03:30:09 <tcatm> yep
 413 2011-01-18 03:30:13 <ArtForz> yep
 414 2011-01-18 03:30:15 <tcatm> better buy some coins
 415 2011-01-18 03:30:15 <lfm> so you should expect to get one generated block about every 35 weeks on average
 416 2011-01-18 03:30:17 <ProblemBit> I don't understand why but in the first month the client generate a lot of money and stop at the given date
 417 2011-01-18 03:30:45 <lfm> it difficulty has been going up constantly
 418 2011-01-18 03:30:46 <ArtForz> difficulty has been increasing a lot the last few months
 419 2011-01-18 03:30:52 <ProblemBit> from 7/14/2010 to 11/5/2010 500 coins have been generated
 420 2011-01-18 03:31:01 <ProblemBit> nothing after that
 421 2011-01-18 03:31:31 <ArtForz> http://nullvoid.org/bitcoin/difficultiez.php
 422 2011-01-18 03:31:39 <lfm> ya, back in july the difficulty was under 100, now it is 18000
 423 2011-01-18 03:32:17 <ProblemBit> sorry I think I missed something, what is the difficulty?
 424 2011-01-18 03:32:37 <lfm> it is indicator of the chances of generating a block
 425 2011-01-18 03:33:16 <ProblemBit> so as time pass this will always be higher?
 426 2011-01-18 03:33:23 <lfm> ;;bc,calcd 3704 100
 427 2011-01-18 03:33:23 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 3704 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 100, is 1 day, 8 hours, 12 minutes, and 34 seconds
 428 2011-01-18 03:33:29 <lfm> ;;bc,calcd 3704 18000
 429 2011-01-18 03:33:29 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 3704 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 18000, is 34 weeks, 3 days, 13 hours, 44 minutes, and 31 seconds
 430 2011-01-18 03:33:45 <ProblemBit> ok
 431 2011-01-18 03:34:06 <lfm> it should level off someday,, might even go down
 432 2011-01-18 03:34:30 <ProblemBit> it's ok now I understand, I tought something was wrong with my client/config
 433 2011-01-18 03:35:23 <ProblemBit> and a last one: when I installed the client for the first time I remember I have find a website where we can buy/sell coin for US$ or CAN$
 434 2011-01-18 03:35:50 <lfm> try mtgox.com
 435 2011-01-18 03:36:41 <kiba> we been....spammed!
 436 2011-01-18 03:36:54 <luke-jr> tcatm: aww
 437 2011-01-18 03:37:05 <kiba> tcatm: how's your server situation?
 438 2011-01-18 03:38:06 <tcatm> kiba: bitcoincharts?
 439 2011-01-18 03:38:16 <kiba> hai
 440 2011-01-18 03:38:54 <tcatm> don't know. it might just disappear in feb or march. then I'll have to look for a new VPS
 441 2011-01-18 03:39:10 <kiba> you're paying in dollars?
 442 2011-01-18 03:39:29 ProblemBit has quit ()
 443 2011-01-18 03:39:30 <tcatm> I'm not paying at all; using an old VPS the provider forgot about
 444 2011-01-18 03:40:06 <lfm> tcatm hehe where can I get one of those?
 445 2011-01-18 03:40:29 <ArtForz> stupid providers are fun
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 447 2011-01-18 03:41:35 <ArtForz> friend of mine has free uncapped cable because his provider fucked up the headend config
 448 2011-01-18 03:42:40 <kiba> my family have free cable for 3 years
 449 2011-01-18 03:43:01 <kiba> tv cable
 450 2011-01-18 03:43:15 <ArtForz> inet in this case
 451 2011-01-18 03:43:42 <tcatm> No idea. The provider was bought by another provider about 2 years ago and the host server relocated. At that time I canceled the contract (admin interface didn't work, connection was unstable) but it's still on but I recently found another admin interface that says the VPS will be shut down in feb.
 452 2011-01-18 03:44:57 <kiba> time to move to a bitcoin supporting VPS
 453 2011-01-18 03:44:59 <ArtForz> basically any modem with a unknown MAC gets no BW caps, yet still gets full net access
 454 2011-01-18 03:45:10 <ArtForz> ...yeah
 455 2011-01-18 03:45:12 <Diablo-D3> idiotic
 456 2011-01-18 03:45:17 <luke-jr> like me
 457 2011-01-18 03:45:27 <ArtForz> small family-run cable ISP with ~10k subs
 458 2011-01-18 03:46:57 <tcatm> kiba: any recommendations?
 459 2011-01-18 03:47:07 <kiba> I don't use any of them, yet
 460 2011-01-18 03:48:04 <tcatm> If everything fails I'll host the site on one of my miners temporarly. Will be a lot slower but at least I got a static IP
 461 2011-01-18 03:48:49 <kiba> it's bitcoins all the way down!
 462 2011-01-18 03:49:12 <ArtForz> yep
 463 2011-01-18 03:49:14 luke-jr_ has joined
 464 2011-01-18 03:49:18 <kiba> we can already pay for full hosting service
 465 2011-01-18 03:49:37 noagendamarket has joined
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 467 2011-01-18 03:49:53 noagendamarket has quit (Changing host)
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 469 2011-01-18 03:50:06 <kiba> I wonder what would happen if the bitcoin site sells ads space for bitcoin
 470 2011-01-18 03:51:06 <luke-jr_> kiba: when the bitcoin site, development, etc is all funded/paid in bitcoins, it's self-hosting? :P
 471 2011-01-18 03:51:39 <kiba> the bitcoin project now pay everything in bitcoin! It's bootstrapping using its own currency!
 472 2011-01-18 03:51:46 <noagendamarket> lol
 473 2011-01-18 03:52:25 <noagendamarket> If it makes enought it could start paying bug bounties
 474 2011-01-18 03:52:37 <noagendamarket> just like google....
 475 2011-01-18 03:52:49 * kiba is soo tired
 476 2011-01-18 03:52:56 <noagendamarket> ie self replication ftw
 477 2011-01-18 03:53:12 <tcatm> we already know of enough bugs ;)
 478 2011-01-18 03:53:15 <luke-jr_> noagendamarket: before bug bounties, professional security audits
 479 2011-01-18 03:53:29 <noagendamarket> :)
 480 2011-01-18 03:53:34 <ArtForz> security? how bout crypto audits?
 481 2011-01-18 03:53:44 <luke-jr_> that's part of security in my book :P
 482 2011-01-18 03:53:52 <ArtForz> not really
 483 2011-01-18 03:54:16 <luke-jr_> …
 484 2011-01-18 03:54:22 <luke-jr_> it's my book. I decide how it is :P
 485 2011-01-18 03:54:29 <luke-jr_> that's /why/ it's /my/ book…
 486 2011-01-18 03:54:49 <dirtyfilthy> there are a billion easier ways to attack the client than attacking the crypto
 487 2011-01-18 03:55:05 <luke-jr_> bruteforce JSON-RPC?
 488 2011-01-18 03:55:07 <ArtForz> yep
 489 2011-01-18 03:55:09 <ArtForz> nah
 490 2011-01-18 03:55:20 <dirtyfilthy> i'd start fuzzing the protocol
 491 2011-01-18 03:55:26 <ArtForz> good luck with that
 492 2011-01-18 03:55:51 <ArtForz> the p2p part has DoS holes bigger than the side of a barn
 493 2011-01-18 03:56:16 <dirtyfilthy> ah yeah dos, but i'm thinking you want code exec and stealing $$$
 494 2011-01-18 03:56:19 <dirtyfilthy> if you were going to bother
 495 2011-01-18 03:56:25 <andrew12> hmm
 496 2011-01-18 03:56:37 <andrew12> tcatm: are you looking for a vps host?
 497 2011-01-18 03:56:41 <ArtForz> well, good luck trying
 498 2011-01-18 03:56:43 <tcatm> andrew12: yep
 499 2011-01-18 03:56:50 <ArtForz> I did, couldnt find anything decent
 500 2011-01-18 03:56:52 <andrew12> I heard 123systems was good
 501 2011-01-18 03:57:26 <dirtyfilthy> i'm not going to, but i'm interested to see what happens to the network when we get a bunch of different clients with slightly different interpretations of the protocol going
 502 2011-01-18 03:57:31 <ArtForz> except for a possible OOM/buffer overflow which was easy to fix (missing max size check)
 503 2011-01-18 03:57:37 <andrew12> you can also try Kerplunc hosting
 504 2011-01-18 03:57:43 <andrew12> theirs is more expensive though
 505 2011-01-18 03:57:50 <andrew12> try to get a XEN one
 506 2011-01-18 03:58:03 afed_ is now known as afed
 507 2011-01-18 03:58:38 <luke-jr_> pfft
 508 2011-01-18 03:58:42 <luke-jr_> Xen sucks :p
 509 2011-01-18 03:59:01 <kiba> so it's very easy to DOS the bitcoin network?
 510 2011-01-18 03:59:03 <luke-jr_> andrew12: also, I accept bitcoins :p
 511 2011-01-18 03:59:15 <ArtForz> not the network, but single nodes
 512 2011-01-18 04:00:32 <ArtForz> without "excessive" bandwidth use
 513 2011-01-18 04:01:00 <nanotube> ArtForz: you mean, send fake tx, causing the node to use a lot of cpu time to verify them?
 514 2011-01-18 04:01:06 <ArtForz> yep
 515 2011-01-18 04:01:24 <nanotube> mmm
 516 2011-01-18 04:01:42 <ArtForz> or just let it cache completely random "orphan transactions"
 517 2011-01-18 04:01:51 <nanotube> well that would be pretty easy to prevent - once you get 100 bad tx from $ip, block it.
 518 2011-01-18 04:02:03 <nanotube> s/100/somenumber/
 519 2011-01-18 04:02:10 <ArtForz> how do you determine if a orphan tx is bad?
 520 2011-01-18 04:02:11 <nanotube> that is unlikely to occur 'in good faith'
 521 2011-01-18 04:02:22 <ArtForz> answer: you can't
 522 2011-01-18 04:02:24 <nanotube> well... how likely are you to get 100 orphan tx from one source?
 523 2011-01-18 04:02:33 <ArtForz> rare, but happens
 524 2011-01-18 04:02:41 <ArtForz> especially when TX floods are ongoing
 525 2011-01-18 04:02:49 <nanotube> mmm
 526 2011-01-18 04:11:33 <andrew12^mac> crayzyasaydf
 527 2011-01-18 04:12:25 <andrew12^mac> Xen is better than OpenVZ... an other IRC network I'm on almost lost their services database because of openVZ
 528 2011-01-18 04:12:47 <luke-jr_> andrew12^mac: FUD
 529 2011-01-18 04:13:43 <andrew12> huh?
 530 2011-01-18 04:14:02 <luke-jr_> andrew12: you're spreading false fear, uncertainty, and doubt
 531 2011-01-18 04:14:10 <luke-jr_> nobody loses a db because of OpenVZ
 532 2011-01-18 04:15:23 <andrew12^mac> no database was lost :)
 533 2011-01-18 04:15:29 <luke-jr_> maybe an incompetent hosting service admin
 534 2011-01-18 04:15:40 <luke-jr_> but that would affect it regardless of OpenVZ vs Xen
 535 2011-01-18 04:16:10 <ArtForz> "and nothing of value was lost" ;)
 536 2011-01-18 04:16:37 <luke-jr_> blaming OpenVZ sounds like something the bad host admin would do to save his job
 537 2011-01-18 04:24:02 <andrew12> >we never had this conversation<
 538 2011-01-18 04:24:28 <ArtForz> what conversation?
 539 2011-01-18 04:24:58 <andrew12> exactly
 540 2011-01-18 04:26:50 <luke-jr_> XD
 541 2011-01-18 04:29:34 <andrew12> someone here should go work for ati in order to get more h/s
 542 2011-01-18 04:30:28 <luke-jr_> XD
 543 2011-01-18 04:30:33 <luke-jr_> you mean AMD
 544 2011-01-18 04:30:59 <andrew12> i mean ati.
 545 2011-01-18 04:31:06 <andrew12> AMD makes the processors.
 546 2011-01-18 04:31:08 <andrew12> the CPUS
 547 2011-01-18 04:31:14 <andrew12> ATi makes GPUs
 548 2011-01-18 04:31:22 <luke-jr_> ATi no longer exists.
 549 2011-01-18 04:31:33 * tcatm hasn't written a single useful line of code today (except rainbow addresses)
 550 2011-01-18 04:31:33 <luke-jr_> AMD bought them and dissolved the trademark
 551 2011-01-18 04:31:39 <luke-jr_> all the new cards are branded AMD
 552 2011-01-18 04:32:14 <andrew12> well that's lame
 553 2011-01-18 04:32:15 <luke-jr_> AMD Radeon 6xxx
 554 2011-01-18 04:32:23 <luke-jr_> lol
 555 2011-01-18 04:32:30 <andrew12> so i should sell my shitty AGP card
 556 2011-01-18 04:32:34 <andrew12> it's vintage now
 557 2011-01-18 04:32:35 <andrew12> :p
 558 2011-01-18 04:32:44 purpleposeidon has left ()
 559 2011-01-18 04:32:47 <luke-jr_> I'm still using my AGP card
 560 2011-01-18 04:32:53 <luke-jr_> for another 4 days or so
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 563 2011-01-18 04:33:58 <tcatm> I've got a few ISA VGA cards. Xorg doesn't support them anymore :/
 564 2011-01-18 04:34:26 <andrew12> moo: gfx: ATI Technologies Inc. ATI Radeon Graphics Processor AGP (0x4153) 256MB
 565 2011-01-18 04:34:27 <luke-jr_> those were before I was old enough to legally own anything
 566 2011-01-18 04:34:45 <andrew12> its like a 4000 or something
 567 2011-01-18 04:34:47 <luke-jr_> 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc R480 [Radeon X850Pro] (Secondary)
 568 2011-01-18 04:34:50 <andrew12> i cant remmeber
 569 2011-01-18 04:35:01 <andrew12> X9500? i think that's it
 570 2011-01-18 04:35:05 <luke-jr_> lol
 571 2011-01-18 04:35:10 <luke-jr_> still far newer than my current one ^
 572 2011-01-18 04:35:41 <andrew12> yeah except i got mine for freeeeeeee
 573 2011-01-18 04:36:28 <luke-jr_> I paid like $150 for mine -.-
 574 2011-01-18 04:36:35 * andrew12 debates listening to music while he sleeps
 575 2011-01-18 04:36:39 <luke-jr_> when that one you have was retailing $50
 576 2011-01-18 04:36:52 <luke-jr_> X850 had better free drivers
 577 2011-01-18 04:37:09 <andrew12> if I had more RAM I'd be playing Minecraft better, and more often
 578 2011-01-18 04:37:14 <andrew12> moo: ram: 233/511MB (45.64%) [|||||-----]
 579 2011-01-18 04:37:14 <andrew12> :(
 580 2011-01-18 04:38:38 <andrew12> wel i should probably be going
 581 2011-01-18 04:41:36 <andrew12> nini
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 585 2011-01-18 05:01:07 <newsham> i grabbed puddinpop's miner, i configured it with "cmake -i" but when I build I get some errors.
 586 2011-01-18 05:01:14 <newsham> ie. USHRT_MAX not defined.
 587 2011-01-18 05:01:28 <newsham> (ubuntu10.04).  anyone familiar with this?
 588 2011-01-18 05:04:40 <newsham> guess it just wants <limits.h> but odd that its shipped uncompilable (at least on this platform) like that
 589 2011-01-18 05:05:27 <luke-jr_> probably compiles on an older libc
 590 2011-01-18 05:05:31 <lfm> ya, people often forget limits.h cuz it is often implicitly included in other .h files
 591 2011-01-18 05:05:44 <newsham> thing is, thats not the only problem.
 592 2011-01-18 05:05:54 <newsham> and this isnt exactly an odd platform
 593 2011-01-18 05:06:00 <luke-jr_> newsham: a lot of bugfixes to libc these days are about strictness
 594 2011-01-18 05:06:07 <luke-jr_> that is, things were allowed that shouldn't have been
 595 2011-01-18 05:06:25 <luke-jr_> so new versions tolerate less bad code
 596 2011-01-18 05:08:01 AAA_awright_ is now known as AAA_awright
 597 2011-01-18 05:12:18 <newsham> also it relies on cutils from nvidia's cuda stuff, but when i installed nvidia's cuda stuff, it didnt include cutils.
 598 2011-01-18 05:12:22 <newsham> *sigh*
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 600 2011-01-18 05:22:22 <lfm> -dev version?
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 603 2011-01-18 05:34:59 <kiba> time to do night night
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 607 2011-01-18 05:51:08 <newsham> -dev version?
 608 2011-01-18 05:51:26 <lfm> of nvidia cuda install?
 609 2011-01-18 05:54:08 <newsham> there is no -dev version.. the cuda package is for developers.
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 611 2011-01-18 06:07:27 <niekie> Hello :)
 612 2011-01-18 06:13:13 <sgornick> hi niekie
 613 2011-01-18 06:13:56 <niekie> Hi sgornick :)
 614 2011-01-18 06:14:10 <sgornick> are you really on 20 channels?
 615 2011-01-18 06:14:33 <niekie> Yes :)
 616 2011-01-18 06:14:48 <niekie> On this IRC server I am on a lot of channels.
 617 2011-01-18 06:14:57 <sgornick> #go-nuts ?
 618 2011-01-18 06:15:02 <niekie> There too, yes :)
 619 2011-01-18 06:15:22 <nanotube> looks like a lot more than 20, sgornick :)
 620 2011-01-18 06:15:40 <nanotube> i'm on 27
 621 2011-01-18 06:16:53 <nanotube> you speak lojban, niekie ? :)
 622 2011-01-18 06:17:13 <niekie> nanotube: only very little :)
 623 2011-01-18 06:17:39 <nanotube> hehe cool. i've been meaning to give it a more thorough look, but never got to it.
 624 2011-01-18 06:17:50 <nanotube> also, you use i2p?
 625 2011-01-18 06:18:33 <nanotube> niekie: fwiw there's an i2p relay on #bitcoin-discussion :)
 626 2011-01-18 06:18:45 <niekie> Nope. Not currently at least. But I'm following it's developments.
 627 2011-01-18 06:18:54 <nanotube> heh ic
 628 2011-01-18 06:19:29 <niekie> nanotube: ah, thanks :)
 629 2011-01-18 06:20:05 <noobdearia> ;;bc.blocks
 630 2011-01-18 06:20:05 <gribble> Error: "bc.blocks" is not a valid command.
 631 2011-01-18 06:20:10 <noobdearia> ;;bc,blocks
 632 2011-01-18 06:20:11 <gribble> 103266
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 639 2011-01-18 07:35:28 <dishwara> hi
 640 2011-01-18 07:35:49 <dishwara> anyone know webaddress of bitcoin calculator?
 641 2011-01-18 07:37:10 <[Noodles]> http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php
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 650 2011-01-18 08:19:41 * niekie got another random call on his 1877 toll-free. Heh.
 651 2011-01-18 08:21:22 <joe_1> where did u get th number
 652 2011-01-18 08:21:56 <niekie> http://link2voip.com/ - $1.49/month toll-free numbers, $0.04 per minute incoming.
 653 2011-01-18 08:22:02 <niekie> Accepts payment by Bitcoin :)
 654 2011-01-18 08:22:05 <joe_1> ok
 655 2011-01-18 08:22:10 <joe_1> yeah i messed with them a little
 656 2011-01-18 08:22:21 <joe_1> what app do you use to accept the calls
 657 2011-01-18 08:22:50 <niekie> I once used a hardware phone but currently I use http://sip-communicator.org/
 658 2011-01-18 08:23:14 <joe_1> oh thats for the pc
 659 2011-01-18 08:23:18 <joe_1> you never tried anything for the android?
 660 2011-01-18 08:23:27 <niekie> Yeah, I did.
 661 2011-01-18 08:23:38 <joe_1> i tried fring, and a couple others, but the quality is so bad
 662 2011-01-18 08:23:43 <niekie> But my mobile internet provider doesn't allow VoIP traffic.
 663 2011-01-18 08:23:58 <niekie> And the wifi sucks here.
 664 2011-01-18 08:24:03 <joe_1> oh
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 668 2011-01-18 08:25:52 <niekie> My mobile phone provider will allow VoIP usage, but I need to pay them like 14,50 a month for it.
 669 2011-01-18 08:26:07 <niekie> Which makes no sense.
 670 2011-01-18 08:26:56 <niekie> (euro :-/)
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 674 2011-01-18 08:30:15 <dishwara> [Noodles]: hi
 675 2011-01-18 08:30:54 <[Noodles]> hi
 676 2011-01-18 08:32:45 <dishwara> 1940L$ for 20?
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 678 2011-01-18 08:36:47 <hacim> how do I compile bitcoin without wxwidgets?
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 681 2011-01-18 08:44:31 <joe_1> very carefully
 682 2011-01-18 08:47:58 <dishwara> better try windows version, if u like windows
 683 2011-01-18 08:49:22 <hacim> i think I figured out how to avoid wx
 684 2011-01-18 08:49:28 <hacim> but i can't get it to compile (on linux)
 685 2011-01-18 08:49:36 <hacim> this is puddinpop's gpu miner
 686 2011-01-18 08:50:07 <hacim> are there any pre-compiled linux GPU miners?
 687 2011-01-18 08:54:10 <hacim> hm, i seem to be missing cutil_inline.h
 688 2011-01-18 08:54:36 <dishwara> i use puddinpop's gpu, but windows
 689 2011-01-18 08:54:37 <niekie> cutil_inline.h is in the SDK Samples AFAIK.
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 693 2011-01-18 08:55:37 <hacim> samples... hm
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 696 2011-01-18 09:01:41 <hacim> niekie: its there, but it wants to install stuff into ~ which is an odd place, and the compile wont find it
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 699 2011-01-18 09:03:27 <davout> ohai
 700 2011-01-18 09:05:15 <hacim> well great, it compiles, but fails to link
 701 2011-01-18 09:07:27 AmazingPudding is now known as bonsaikitten
 702 2011-01-18 09:08:19 <hacim> anyone have any ideas why it fails to link? https://micah.riseup.net/pastes/2011-01-18T040331.cfwavqpsLl
 703 2011-01-18 09:13:54 <dishwara> i am not geek, but think it searches for a rpcminer directory
 704 2011-01-18 09:13:57 <dishwara> make[2]: *** [cmake-rpcminer/CMakeFiles/rpcminer.dir/all] Error 2
 705 2011-01-18 09:15:24 <hacim> its in that object file that it finds a function where there is a reference to CUDARunner::CUDARunner()
 706 2011-01-18 09:16:17 <dishwara> u installed linux cuda sdk?
 707 2011-01-18 09:17:10 <hacim> dishwara: I did, although it installed in a strange place
 708 2011-01-18 09:19:26 <dishwara> The version of the CUDA Toolkit can be checked by running nvcc -V in a terminal
 709 2011-01-18 09:19:50 <dishwara> http://developer.download.nvidia.com/compute/cuda/3_2_prod/docs/Getting_Started_Linux.pdf
 710 2011-01-18 09:20:39 <hacim> yeah, I've got the CUDA Toolkit installed fine
 711 2011-01-18 09:21:37 <dishwara> ok, i am out of ideas, sorry i am not much help
 712 2011-01-18 09:21:49 <dishwara> but u try this link,  http://developer.nvidia.com/object/cuda_3_2_downloads.html#Linux
 713 2011-01-18 09:22:01 <dishwara> have to digg in mauals
 714 2011-01-18 09:22:03 <dishwara> bye
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 716 2011-01-18 09:22:25 <hacim> thanks
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 721 2011-01-18 09:47:15 <slush> ;;any m0mchil
 722 2011-01-18 09:47:20 <gribble> m0mchil was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 17 hours and 37 seconds ago: *** m0mchil <m0mchil!~m0mchil@unaffiliated/m0mchil> has quit IRC ()
 723 2011-01-18 09:48:19 <devon_hillard> did paypal unblock mtgox's account, btw?
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 731 2011-01-18 10:31:21 <xelister> hah lol
 732 2011-01-18 10:31:28 <xelister> I started the miner, and also I started the miner
 733 2011-01-18 10:31:39 <xelister> probably I should had also started the bitcoind before going to sleep
 734 2011-01-18 10:31:41 <xelister> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
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 736 2011-01-18 10:33:38 <xelister> FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU >_<
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 745 2011-01-18 11:12:50 <Rhonda> oh, fuuuuuu.  haven't looked at pics.nase-bohren.de in ages.  thanks for reminding :P
 746 2011-01-18 11:45:30 <andrew12> another 2 blocks in the same 2 minutes :P
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 752 2011-01-18 12:05:13 <andrew12> transactions everywhere
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 758 2011-01-18 12:57:45 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,stats
 759 2011-01-18 12:57:48 <gribble> Current Blocks: 103309 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 1522 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 0 hours, 2 minutes, and 22 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 21695.80602141
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 763 2011-01-18 13:13:09 <devon_hillard> How to flash a 5950 into a 5070: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIIIaIq60xA
 764 2011-01-18 13:13:17 <devon_hillard> anyone here did this?
 765 2011-01-18 13:14:46 <Diablo-D3> uh fail
 766 2011-01-18 13:15:06 <Diablo-D3> you mean 6850 into 6870
 767 2011-01-18 13:15:20 <Diablo-D3> er, 69, not 68
 768 2011-01-18 13:15:31 <Diablo-D3> you failed so hard it crept over here and made me typo
 769 2011-01-18 13:15:32 <Diablo-D3> gj
 770 2011-01-18 13:15:34 <devon_hillard> *6950 into a 6970*
 771 2011-01-18 13:24:39 ApertureScience has joined
 772 2011-01-18 13:26:52 <Diablo-D3> This was a Triumph; making a note here, huge success.
 773 2011-01-18 13:34:35 <andrew12^mac> you missed "I'm"
 774 2011-01-18 13:34:58 <andrew12^mac> it's hard to overstate my satisfaction.
 775 2011-01-18 13:35:08 <andrew12^mac> ApertureScience: we do what we must because we can
 776 2011-01-18 13:35:29 <Diablo-D3> for the good all of us, except the ones who are dead
 777 2011-01-18 13:35:38 <ApertureScience> and the cake is not a lie!
 778 2011-01-18 13:36:02 <andrew12^mac> but there's no sense crying over every mistake
 779 2011-01-18 13:36:07 <andrew12^mac> you just keep on trying till you run out of cake
 780 2011-01-18 13:36:16 <andrew12^mac> and the science gets done and you make a neat gun for the people who are still alive
 781 2011-01-18 13:36:27 <andrew12^mac> i'm not even angry
 782 2011-01-18 13:36:32 <andrew12^mac> i'm being so sincere right now
 783 2011-01-18 13:36:37 <ApertureScience> gawd everyone sings this to me now lol
 784 2011-01-18 13:36:39 <andrew12^mac> even though you broke my heart and killed me
 785 2011-01-18 13:36:44 <andrew12^mac> and torn me to pieces
 786 2011-01-18 13:36:50 <andrew12^mac> and threw every piece into a fire
 787 2011-01-18 13:37:15 <andrew12^mac> anyway this cake is great
 788 2011-01-18 13:37:18 <ApertureScience> xunie got me into it he's my fiance btw
 789 2011-01-18 13:37:20 <andrew12^mac> it's so delicious and moist
 790 2011-01-18 13:37:30 <andrew12^mac> look at me still talking when there's science to do...
 791 2011-01-18 13:37:40 <ApertureScience> -_-
 792 2011-01-18 13:37:51 <andrew12^mac> i'm done
 793 2011-01-18 13:37:57 <andrew12^mac> FOR NOW
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 795 2011-01-18 13:37:59 <andrew12^mac> dun dun
 796 2011-01-18 13:38:02 <ApertureScience> are you sure?
 797 2011-01-18 13:38:04 <ApertureScience> lol
 798 2011-01-18 13:38:05 <andrew12^mac> gribble died
 799 2011-01-18 13:38:07 <andrew12^mac> :(
 800 2011-01-18 13:38:23 * ApertureScience smax niekie
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 802 2011-01-18 13:38:29 <andrew12^mac> gawd i am so cold
 803 2011-01-18 13:38:32 <andrew12^mac> wb gribble
 804 2011-01-18 13:38:32 <andrew12^mac> :p
 805 2011-01-18 13:38:38 <andrew12^mac> ;;botsnack
 806 2011-01-18 13:38:43 <lfm> http://pics.nase-bohren.de/caution_nothing.jpg
 807 2011-01-18 13:39:29 <andrew12^mac> http://pics.nase-bohren.de/facebalm.gif
 808 2011-01-18 13:39:32 <ApertureScience> it's a conspiracy that 2 of the op's are both dutch!
 809 2011-01-18 13:39:44 <andrew12^mac> burn the earth
 810 2011-01-18 13:40:19 * ApertureScience looks and xunie and niekie!
 811 2011-01-18 13:40:26 <gribble> Forget the snack, just send me some bitcoins at 1MgD6rah5zUgEGYZnNmdpnXMaDR3itKYzU :)
 812 2011-01-18 13:40:34 <andrew12^mac> =[
 813 2011-01-18 13:41:09 <ApertureScience>  /me looks at the nick noodles, now i'm hungry
 814 2011-01-18 13:41:13 <ApertureScience> oops
 815 2011-01-18 13:41:14 <ApertureScience> fail
 816 2011-01-18 13:41:17 <ApertureScience> lol
 817 2011-01-18 13:41:30 <ApertureScience> i hate when that happens
 818 2011-01-18 13:41:47 * andrew12 sends gribble 0.01 btc
 819 2011-01-18 13:42:14 <ApertureScience> make me a sandwich you bish
 820 2011-01-18 13:42:44 <andrew12> poof you're a sandwich
 821 2011-01-18 13:43:01 <ApertureScience> have i lied to you? i mean not in this room.
 822 2011-01-18 13:43:20 <andrew12> sudo make me a sandwich
 823 2011-01-18 13:43:38 <ApertureScience> no sudoing in da room
 824 2011-01-18 13:44:42 <andrew12^mac> sudo ring a ring ding dong
 825 2011-01-18 13:45:17 * ApertureScience bashes your head in with bash!
 826 2011-01-18 13:45:25 <andrew12^mac> bash -c bash -c bash -c bash -c bash
 827 2011-01-18 13:45:35 <andrew12^mac> yo dawg i heard you like command lines
 828 2011-01-18 13:46:04 <ApertureScience> apt-get-install stickupyourass
 829 2011-01-18 13:46:51 <lfm> ddate
 830 2011-01-18 13:47:04 <ApertureScience> run that in your terminal see if it works lol
 831 2011-01-18 13:47:42 <Diablo-D3> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=runtc3Da0CE
 832 2011-01-18 13:47:44 <Diablo-D3> fffffffffffffffffffffffff
 833 2011-01-18 13:48:02 <andrew12^mac> lfm: i has ddate now
 834 2011-01-18 13:48:22 <andrew12^mac> http://mxcl.github.com/homebrew/ ^_^
 835 2011-01-18 13:48:25 <lfm> essential tool
 836 2011-01-18 13:48:27 <andrew12^mac> brew install ddate
 837 2011-01-18 13:48:31 <andrew12^mac> Today is Pungenday,the 18th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3177
 838 2011-01-18 13:48:46 <luke-jr_> …no
 839 2011-01-18 13:49:28 <luke-jr_> today is 7 Debrian 6, feast of St. Peter's Chair at Rome, and first day of the Unity Octave
 840 2011-01-18 13:49:48 <andrew12^mac> what's with you and unicode ellipses
 841 2011-01-18 13:49:57 <andrew12^mac> or is that an elipsis
 842 2011-01-18 13:49:58 <andrew12^mac> i dunno
 843 2011-01-18 13:50:03 <Diablo-D3> its not
 844 2011-01-18 13:50:06 <Diablo-D3> its a th I bet
 845 2011-01-18 13:50:15 <luke-jr_> it is ☺
 846 2011-01-18 13:50:20 <Diablo-D3> except his unicode is broke, because I have utf8 on
 847 2011-01-18 13:50:26 <lfm> its chicken scratches
 848 2011-01-18 13:50:43 <luke-jr_> Diablo-D3: that makes no sense
 849 2011-01-18 13:51:03 <andrew12^mac> lol
 850 2011-01-18 13:51:18 <andrew12^mac> IT'S ALL LIES
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 853 2011-01-18 13:51:34 <andrew12^mac> :(
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 855 2011-01-18 13:52:48 <luke-jr_> andrew12^mac: ☹
 856 2011-01-18 13:53:09 <andrew12> thats a box on here
 857 2011-01-18 13:53:37 <ApertureScience> andrew12 are you a 4chan tard?
 858 2011-01-18 13:53:42 <Xunie> andrew12, andrew12^mac, you must be a chanfan.
 859 2011-01-18 13:53:42 <ApertureScience> lol
 860 2011-01-18 13:53:54 <ApertureScience> Xunie stfu
 861 2011-01-18 13:54:01 <Xunie> "dun dun", singing still alive, "yo dawg i heard you liek command lines"...
 862 2011-01-18 13:54:23 * ApertureScience kicks xunie
 863 2011-01-18 13:55:03 <ApertureScience> mabbe BlackMesa
 864 2011-01-18 13:55:05 <andrew12^mac> i don't ever go on 4chan anymore
 865 2011-01-18 13:55:15 <andrew12^mac> reddit :)
 866 2011-01-18 13:55:19 <ApertureScience> that was a joke haha fatchance
 867 2011-01-18 13:55:45 <andrew12^mac> oh.
 868 2011-01-18 13:56:26 <andrew12^mac> hey guys have you seen the new post successful screen?
 869 2011-01-18 13:56:27 <andrew12^mac> :p
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 871 2011-01-18 13:56:48 <andrew12^mac> hi gribble!
 872 2011-01-18 13:56:49 <luke-jr_> andrew12: you really need to upgrade your fonts
 873 2011-01-18 13:56:57 <luke-jr_> andrew12: if you don't even have ☺ and ☹
 874 2011-01-18 13:56:57 <andrew12^mac> luke-jr_: i need to upgrade my os
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 876 2011-01-18 13:57:09 <andrew12^mac> those appear on here, though i cant tell what they are
 877 2011-01-18 13:57:12 <andrew12^mac> wb nanotube
 878 2011-01-18 13:57:20 <andrew12^mac> oh they're smilies
 879 2011-01-18 13:57:39 <andrew12^mac> had to zoom in a lot
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 881 2011-01-18 13:58:09 <andrew12^mac> i think it's funny that mIRC 7 had/has unicode support, yet XP doesn't have unicode fonts
 882 2011-01-18 13:58:20 <andrew12^mac> or does it?!?
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 884 2011-01-18 13:58:31 <andrew12^mac> hi akem
 885 2011-01-18 13:59:37 <theymos> XP has Unicode fonts. Sometimes you have to install additional character sets in "language tools", though.
 886 2011-01-18 13:59:56 <andrew12^mac> too lazy
 887 2011-01-18 13:59:58 <andrew12^mac> =P
 888 2011-01-18 14:01:33 <andrew12^mac> U+FDD0 is actually Unicode for the eye of the basilisk, though for safety reasons no font actually renders it/
 889 2011-01-18 14:02:58 <niekie> I'm making a note here, huge success!
 890 2011-01-18 14:03:01 <andrew12^mac> :O
 891 2011-01-18 14:04:10 <niekie> Hi andrew12^mac :)
 892 2011-01-18 14:04:29 <andrew12^mac> hihi
 893 2011-01-18 14:05:29 <niekie> Hm, just got a spam saying Instant Cash for Free!
 894 2011-01-18 14:05:40 <niekie> I wonder when I get the first spam saying I'll get bitcoins for free.
 895 2011-01-18 14:06:30 <andrew12^mac> i wonder what triggers the huge chains of transactions in a few seconds that are seen in #bitcoin-monitor
 896 2011-01-18 14:07:15 * andrew12^mac is good at popularizing that channel
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 898 2011-01-18 14:09:10 <lfm> is it pools paying off
 899 2011-01-18 14:13:09 <lfm> wb
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 926 2011-01-18 14:32:55 <andrew12> someone should write a program that works like a node and lists transactions/blocks like #bitcoin-monitor
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 929 2011-01-18 14:33:10 <andrew12> that way people don't have to watch all the noise in there :P
 930 2011-01-18 14:37:34 <lfm> tail -f ~/.bitcoin/debug.log
 931 2011-01-18 14:37:35 <andrew12> well that's one way of doing it
 932 2011-01-18 14:37:35 <andrew12> on linux..
 933 2011-01-18 14:37:49 <lfm> step 1 install linux, thats step 2
 934 2011-01-18 14:38:03 <andrew12> i have linux installed
 935 2011-01-18 14:38:11 <andrew12> i don't use it though :P
 936 2011-01-18 14:38:32 <lfm> let that be a lesson to ya
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 951 2011-01-18 14:43:37 <andrew12> hmm
 952 2011-01-18 14:43:59 <andrew12> any idea if jgarzik's miner will still output stuff if a hash is found and you do -q?
 953 2011-01-18 14:47:42 <andrew12> g2g
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 957 2011-01-18 14:56:44 <hacim> Diablo-D3: i got your miner running on my podunk 8600GT, its doing 25Mhash/sec, which is the expected hash rate for this card, but its pretty much pegging my system
 958 2011-01-18 14:57:37 <Diablo-D3> yeah, thats because nvidia cant code
 959 2011-01-18 14:57:41 <Diablo-D3> try -f 1000
 960 2011-01-18 14:58:33 <hacim> should I change vector width or worksize from the default?
 961 2011-01-18 14:58:53 <Diablo-D3> mine doesnt have vector anymore
 962 2011-01-18 14:59:03 <Diablo-D3> and Im not sure what an acceptable -w is for nvidia
 963 2011-01-18 14:59:04 <Diablo-D3> try a few
 964 2011-01-18 14:59:17 <hacim> what is -f?
 965 2011-01-18 14:59:20 <Diablo-D3> fps
 966 2011-01-18 14:59:22 <niekie> andrew12: you mean the flood of transactions that happen every hour?
 967 2011-01-18 14:59:29 <andrew12_> Sure.
 968 2011-01-18 14:59:32 <Diablo-D3> higher numbers means it runs more kernels per second, but smaller ones
 969 2011-01-18 14:59:51 <niekie> Oh wow, I was still scrolled up.
 970 2011-01-18 14:59:56 <niekie> But yeah, it's likely pool payouts.
 971 2011-01-18 14:59:59 <hacim> -f 1000 doesn't seem to help
 972 2011-01-18 15:00:53 <sipa> hacim: high -f will make your system more usable, at the expense of slightly lower hash speed
 973 2011-01-18 15:01:29 <hacim> my Xorg process is taking 100% of the CPU
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 976 2011-01-18 15:07:40 <hacim> with -w 64 things are a bit more responsive, although less hash rate
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 979 2011-01-18 15:17:28 <Kiba> hey folks
 980 2011-01-18 15:18:36 <lfm> what
 981 2011-01-18 15:19:42 <Kiba> just a greeting
 982 2011-01-18 15:19:49 <Kiba> I just woke up and wash my teeth
 983 2011-01-18 15:19:54 <Kiba> now I am simply working my art
 984 2011-01-18 15:20:22 <lfm> oh hi
 985 2011-01-18 15:22:45 <MasterChief> who is the guy who bought a run of fpgas to run bitcoin
 986 2011-01-18 15:22:49 <MasterChief> show me he
 987 2011-01-18 15:23:28 <sipa> not fpga's
 988 2011-01-18 15:23:41 <hacim> -w 256 doesn't seem to change much
 989 2011-01-18 15:24:02 <lfm> artforz ordered some asics, not sure if he got em yet
 990 2011-01-18 15:24:03 <MasterChief> asic then
 991 2011-01-18 15:24:28 <sipa> structured asics, real asics are a few orders of magnitude more pricey
 992 2011-01-18 15:24:30 <MasterChief> you can get asics to do SHA256?
 993 2011-01-18 15:24:44 <sipa> he designed them to
 994 2011-01-18 15:24:48 <lfm> custom
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 996 2011-01-18 15:25:08 <lfm> but ya sha256 is a standard cell
 997 2011-01-18 15:25:20 <sipa> but it's not standard sha256
 998 2011-01-18 15:25:39 <sipa> some of the input is fixed, allowing optimizations
 999 2011-01-18 15:26:07 <MasterChief> madness
1000 2011-01-18 15:26:11 <lfm> ya optimized cuz only the nonce word changes
1001 2011-01-18 15:26:42 <MasterChief> so when they turn up and he turns them on, theres gonna be dumpsters full of radeons amirite
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1003 2011-01-18 15:26:56 <lfm> nope
1004 2011-01-18 15:27:14 <sipa> not at all
1005 2011-01-18 15:27:26 <lfm> not all that much faster, mainly just power save
1006 2011-01-18 15:27:30 <sipa> if he starts selling his asics, yes
1007 2011-01-18 15:27:33 <hacim> Diablo-D3: what are the increments that I can mess with for -f?
1008 2011-01-18 15:27:50 <lfm> hacim mostly multiples of 64
1009 2011-01-18 15:27:54 <sipa> for -f?
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1011 2011-01-18 15:28:01 <sipa> something between 1 and 1000
1012 2011-01-18 15:28:07 <lfm> oh I was thinking -w
1013 2011-01-18 15:28:16 <sipa> 1 being very unresponsive system, 1000 very responsive one
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1015 2011-01-18 15:28:48 <hacim> i dont mind somewhat unresponsive, as I'm not using the machine
1016 2011-01-18 15:29:00 <sipa> then use -f 1
1017 2011-01-18 15:30:48 <MasterChief> how much better are these asics
1018 2011-01-18 15:31:23 <MasterChief> per watt
1019 2011-01-18 15:31:33 <lfm> they are great if you got $20000
1020 2011-01-18 15:31:55 <sipa> i believe they do 200MH/s at 12W
1021 2011-01-18 15:31:58 <Diablo-D3> hacim: it should be a multiple of 60
1022 2011-01-18 15:32:06 <Diablo-D3> [10:23:37] <sipa> something between 1 and 1000
1023 2011-01-18 15:32:08 <Diablo-D3> its a float.
1024 2011-01-18 15:33:03 <hacim> Diablo-D3: ok, and what does fiddling with -w do?
1025 2011-01-18 15:33:12 <Diablo-D3> changes work size
1026 2011-01-18 15:33:15 <sipa> Diablo-D3: it's frames per second, right?
1027 2011-01-18 15:33:18 <Diablo-D3> it should be a power of 2
1028 2011-01-18 15:33:20 <Diablo-D3> sipa: yes
1029 2011-01-18 15:33:30 <Diablo-D3> hacim: fiddle with it until you get maximum speed
1030 2011-01-18 15:33:31 <hacim> haha, -f 600 crashed my X
1031 2011-01-18 15:33:39 <Diablo-D3> hacim: the default is hw max
1032 2011-01-18 15:33:51 <MasterChief> 200mh for 12w
1033 2011-01-18 15:33:58 <MasterChief> vs 500 for 300w
1034 2011-01-18 15:33:59 <MasterChief> fuck
1035 2011-01-18 15:34:08 <sipa> Diablo-D3: i meant to say that over 1000 or below 1 isn't very meaningful
1036 2011-01-18 15:34:18 <Diablo-D3> sipa: below 1 IS meaningful
1037 2011-01-18 15:34:24 <Diablo-D3> it means take more than one second per frame.
1038 2011-01-18 15:34:31 <sipa> yes, of course
1039 2011-01-18 15:34:34 <Diablo-D3> your system will just epically shit itself
1040 2011-01-18 15:34:44 <sipa> but i hardly notice difference in speed between -f 1 and -f 5
1041 2011-01-18 15:34:50 <hacim> mine is currently shitting itself
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1045 2011-01-18 15:35:06 <Diablo-D3> sipa: neither does anyone else on radeons
1046 2011-01-18 15:35:13 <Diablo-D3> hacim: its because nvidia sucks dick.
1047 2011-01-18 15:35:18 <Diablo-D3> hacim: try using 260.x drivers
1048 2011-01-18 15:35:20 <sipa> ok, so that was what i tried to say :)
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1051 2011-01-18 15:40:38 <hacim> Diablo-D3: i'm using 260.19.29
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1053 2011-01-18 15:40:49 <Diablo-D3> hacim: welp, go file a bug report with nvidia
1054 2011-01-18 15:40:52 <Diablo-D3> or go buy a radeon
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1056 2011-01-18 15:41:41 <hacim> Diablo-D3: yeah, radeon is in the mail... wonder if I can run it at the same time
1057 2011-01-18 15:42:14 <Diablo-D3> "yes", but no
1058 2011-01-18 15:42:22 <Diablo-D3> you cant install fglrx and nvidia at the same time
1059 2011-01-18 15:42:48 <Diablo-D3> but my miner DOES support multiple ICD impls concurrently
1060 2011-01-18 15:42:49 <hacim> "interesting", but lame
1061 2011-01-18 15:43:03 <hacim> nvidia can shove it :)
1062 2011-01-18 15:43:08 <sipa> hmm, it's not possible to run two X servers, one using fglrx and the other using nvidia?
1063 2011-01-18 15:43:14 <Diablo-D3> sipa: file conflict.
1064 2011-01-18 15:43:24 <sipa> which file?
1065 2011-01-18 15:43:24 <Diablo-D3> you'd have to install a private X installation in a chroot somewhere
1066 2011-01-18 15:43:29 <sipa> hmm ok
1067 2011-01-18 15:43:29 <Diablo-D3> half of them
1068 2011-01-18 15:43:36 <Diablo-D3> both fglrx and nvidia overwrite shit like libGL
1069 2011-01-18 15:43:39 <sipa> right
1070 2011-01-18 15:44:08 <Diablo-D3> now, if ati's and nvidia's opencl impls didnt require nvidia drivers installed nor X even running, this wouldnt be an issue
1071 2011-01-18 15:44:18 <Diablo-D3> just use whichever opencl lib runs both icds
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1096 2011-01-18 17:48:47 <andrew12^school> i can't run the rpc miner here :(
1097 2011-01-18 17:49:22 <andrew12^school> though I did figure out that I can get a command prompt if I put command.com in a bat file :p
1098 2011-01-18 17:54:21 <andrew12^school> and now lunch is over
1099 2011-01-18 17:54:21 <andrew12^school> weee
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1110 2011-01-18 18:23:05 <newsham> 0btc to watch http://www.sponsorme.com/Live
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1112 2011-01-18 18:38:00 <gigitrix> nebody here interested in a bitcoin ad network i'm building?
1113 2011-01-18 18:38:19 <gigitrix> i'm wanting to get a list of beta testers
1114 2011-01-18 18:38:44 <gigitrix> just a list of emails I can spam when the site is ready for private testing, that's the only commitment I need :)
1115 2011-01-18 18:42:36 <newsham> i can sign up to get ads?!@
1116 2011-01-18 18:42:38 <newsham> awesome!
1117 2011-01-18 18:42:48 <newsham> can i beta test the "not getting ads" part?
1118 2011-01-18 18:44:18 <gigitrix> hahah sorry dude
1119 2011-01-18 18:44:24 <gigitrix> adblock can do that though :)
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1121 2011-01-18 18:44:43 <gigitrix> no mine is for siteowners to start getting paid in bitcoin for their sites
1122 2011-01-18 18:45:19 <gigitrix> stops them from having to reach minimum payouts and the like because bitcoin is so divisible :)
1123 2011-01-18 18:46:12 <gigitrix> the notification is just "when the site is ready, we will email you". I'll only do it once. Spam was a poor choice of words tbh
1124 2011-01-18 18:46:34 <gigitrix> i was joking there but i realise now it sounds wrong!
1125 2011-01-18 18:46:51 <andrew12_> :)
1126 2011-01-18 18:46:53 <newsham> gigi: only divisible to 0.01 with current participants, no?
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1128 2011-01-18 18:49:54 <newsham> (dont the existing clients reject transactions with smaller sizes than that?)
1129 2011-01-18 18:50:10 <ArtForz> ... not really
1130 2011-01-18 18:50:47 <andrew12_> They have fees ;)
1131 2011-01-18 18:51:20 <ArtForz> well, it's a bit more complicated
1132 2011-01-18 18:51:25 <newsham> please explain :)
1133 2011-01-18 18:51:33 <ArtForz> any transaction with a <0.01 output incurs a 0.01 fee
1134 2011-01-18 18:51:46 <andrew12_> ;;wk txfee
1135 2011-01-18 18:51:47 <gribble> Google found nothing.
1136 2011-01-18 18:51:48 <ArtForz> but where does it say that a transaction can only have 1 or 2 outputs?
1137 2011-01-18 18:51:50 <andrew12_> Hmm
1138 2011-01-18 18:52:13 <andrew12_> http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fee
1139 2011-01-18 18:52:17 <andrew12_> I think that's it
1140 2011-01-18 18:52:18 <ArtForz> = you can send 0.00x to a few 100 recipients in a single TX and pay 0.01 fee for that
1141 2011-01-18 18:52:38 <newsham> ok,so you can have a TX where you pay many people <0.01, as long as the total output is >=0.01?
1142 2011-01-18 18:52:47 <ArtForz> .. no
1143 2011-01-18 18:53:06 <ArtForz> any transaction where at lest one output is <0.01 incurs the 0.01 fee
1144 2011-01-18 18:53:21 <ArtForz> doesnt matter if it's one output of 0.00x, 2 or 100
1145 2011-01-18 18:53:59 <nanotube> andrew12_: you were looking for 'bc,wiki transaction fee' :)
1146 2011-01-18 18:54:02 <ArtForz> so you could do 0.02 -> 0.01 fee + 100 * 0.0001
1147 2011-01-18 18:54:12 <andrew12_> Ah
1148 2011-01-18 18:54:25 <andrew12_> ,,txfee
1149 2011-01-18 18:54:26 <gribble> I do not know about 'txfee', but I do know about these similar topics: 'trade'
1150 2011-01-18 18:54:34 <andrew12_> I thought there was a shortcut
1151 2011-01-18 18:54:35 <newsham> so that doesnt really help gigitrix if he wants to give people sub 0.01 payments for ad clicks..
1152 2011-01-18 18:54:52 <ArtForz> well.. it does if he waits for a decent # of small payouts to accumulate
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1154 2011-01-18 18:55:03 <andrew12_> He'll have to wait till its over 0.01 ;)
1155 2011-01-18 18:55:06 <newsham> right but he can do that without btc :)
1156 2011-01-18 18:55:08 <ArtForz> errr. no
1157 2011-01-18 18:55:19 <ArtForz> so he pays a 0.01 fee to send sub-cent payouts to a few dozen-100 accounts
1158 2011-01-18 18:55:30 <newsham> [08:35] < gigitrix> stops them from having to reach minimum payouts and the like because bitcoin is so divisible :)
1159 2011-01-18 18:56:18 <ArtForz> of course the rules change when you (successfully) mine for blocks yourself
1160 2011-01-18 18:57:46 <ArtForz> as then fee rules don't apply at all
1161 2011-01-18 18:58:43 <andrew12_> I should tether my phone to my mac and do some mining :p
1162 2011-01-18 18:59:06 <ArtForz> hmmm... wonder if you could make a deal with a pool to include your transactions for some kind of reward
1163 2011-01-18 18:59:26 <nanotube> as long as the reward is > txfee... doesn't make sense. :)
1164 2011-01-18 18:59:37 <newsham> 100btc per month to cover all TX from me.
1165 2011-01-18 18:59:38 <newsham> etc..
1166 2011-01-18 18:59:49 <gigitrix> sorry guys i'm back
1167 2011-01-18 18:59:50 <ArtForz> well, what if the reward is not directly monetary?
1168 2011-01-18 18:59:50 <nanotube> and as long as the reward < txfee... doesn't make sense for pool, since it's so tiny.
1169 2011-01-18 18:59:55 <gigitrix> missed this response
1170 2011-01-18 19:00:13 <newsham> nanotube: it might make sense to just pay a lump sum instead of per tx
1171 2011-01-18 19:00:20 <ArtForz> yep
1172 2011-01-18 19:00:24 <newsham> especially if you are making many small TXs
1173 2011-01-18 19:00:34 <nanotube> mm i guess it's a possibility.
1174 2011-01-18 19:00:38 <newsham> and with people like artforz around, is completely practical :)
1175 2011-01-18 19:00:58 <nanotube> but how can pool differentiate between your tx, and others' tx? once pool opens up to allowing no-fee tx, everyone rushes in.
1176 2011-01-18 19:00:58 <gigitrix> well looking at these responses, I really meant avoiding the "Minimum payment: $100" scenario
1177 2011-01-18 19:01:10 <ArtForz> minimum payment is 0.01 btc
1178 2011-01-18 19:01:16 <newsham> or a big miner could just allow micropayments as long as it included a 2% TX fee of the micropayment (which woudl be micro micro)
1179 2011-01-18 19:01:20 <gigitrix> but as bitcoins become more valuable then yes, might be a problem.
1180 2011-01-18 19:01:27 <ArtForz> which is... about $0.0035 at current exchange rates
1181 2011-01-18 19:01:45 <newsham> nano: you could submit your TXs directly to yoru TX clearer.
1182 2011-01-18 19:01:47 <newsham> rather than the p2p net
1183 2011-01-18 19:01:56 <newsham> having a p2p net doesnt exclude having direct relationships
1184 2011-01-18 19:01:57 <ArtForz> I hope if btc ever hits >$1 we'll enable another decimal for free
1185 2011-01-18 19:02:08 <newsham> preclude
1186 2011-01-18 19:02:19 <ArtForz> yep
1187 2011-01-18 19:02:23 <gigitrix> My site would probably start at a minimum ad spend of 0.1btc/click (0.04c as of recent). But the site owner could withdraw these at any time
1188 2011-01-18 19:02:31 <ArtForz> see the people with "stuck" fee-less microtransactions
1189 2011-01-18 19:02:44 <newsham> $0.04, not 0.04c.
1190 2011-01-18 19:02:47 <newsham> see also verizon
1191 2011-01-18 19:02:51 <gigitrix> if they get "stuck in the pipe" because of lack of transaction fee, then the onus is on the siteowner to decide
1192 2011-01-18 19:02:58 <gigitrix> ah yes thx newsham
1193 2011-01-18 19:03:08 <newsham> http://verizonmath.blogspot.com/
1194 2011-01-18 19:03:12 <gigitrix> still really low
1195 2011-01-18 19:03:22 <ArtForz> was easy enough to fix, I temporarily set my miner to accept any TX without fees and they -addnoded my miner directly so it would get those transactions
1196 2011-01-18 19:04:00 <gigitrix> well "if user wants to withdraw they decide the tx fee to remove from their payout" is fine with me
1197 2011-01-18 19:04:00 <newsham> you could go to 0.01btc = $0.004
1198 2011-01-18 19:04:15 <ArtForz> later changed back to requiring fees for tx not sent by me
1199 2011-01-18 19:04:29 <ArtForz> to avoid being "the miner that got all those spam tx into the chain"
1200 2011-01-18 19:04:40 <newsham> :)
1201 2011-01-18 19:04:43 <gigitrix> yeah that would be fine also but want siteowners to earn a fine amount: 4c a click is a very low baserate imho
1202 2011-01-18 19:04:49 <newsham> artforz is not makign proper use of his monopoly power :)
1203 2011-01-18 19:04:56 <ArtForz> what moponoly?
1204 2011-01-18 19:05:09 <newsham> artforz: monopoly power doesnt mean you have an exclusive monopoly
1205 2011-01-18 19:05:27 <ArtForz> slushes pool is nearly the same speed as me
1206 2011-01-18 19:05:28 <gigitrix> oligarchy via cpu power
1207 2011-01-18 19:05:34 <nanotube> ;;bc,poolstats
1208 2011-01-18 19:05:34 <gigitrix> I like it
1209 2011-01-18 19:05:35 <gribble> {"round_probability": 42.280000000000001, "hashes_ps": 14929982466, "shares": 10133, "active_workers": 337, "round_duration": "0:48:35", "round_started": "2011-01-18 18:12:34", "getwork_ps": 107}
1210 2011-01-18 19:05:48 <ArtForz> and he alone decides what txes go into the block the pool miners work on
1211 2011-01-18 19:05:49 <newsham> artforz: he also has some amount of monopoly power
1212 2011-01-18 19:06:00 <ArtForz> so... a duopoly?
1213 2011-01-18 19:06:06 <newsham> sure.  sounds about right
1214 2011-01-18 19:06:20 <ArtForz> theres also a few other single miners with >5Gh/s
1215 2011-01-18 19:06:23 <gigitrix> well hey, the slush pool has a decent proportion as well
1216 2011-01-18 19:06:27 <ArtForz> so... a oligopoly?
1217 2011-01-18 19:06:33 <nanotube> yea except there are also a bunch of people with 2-4 ghps, and even more people with single 5970s running.
1218 2011-01-18 19:06:35 <newsham> someone should make periodic charts of top miners as a fraction of the whole
1219 2011-01-18 19:06:37 <gigitrix> yeah i think that's right at the moment
1220 2011-01-18 19:06:43 <newsham> Amerikas Top Miner
1221 2011-01-18 19:06:49 <gigitrix> oligopoly
1222 2011-01-18 19:06:49 <newsham> could be a reality show (ok, now being silly)
1223 2011-01-18 19:07:16 <nanotube> newsham: except we all know that ArtForz will win... so not much drama. :)
1224 2011-01-18 19:07:31 <gigitrix> "tune in after the break where we show the output from this custom CUDA miner. The results, I'm sure you'll agree, are astounding"
1225 2011-01-18 19:07:33 <nanotube> a reality show needs trama.
1226 2011-01-18 19:07:52 <newsham> nano: still i want to see the breakdown chart :)
1227 2011-01-18 19:07:55 <ArtForz> theres plenty drama
1228 2011-01-18 19:08:11 <nanotube> what's that? one of my gpu cores is overheating! zomg, what happened? can it be a broken down fan? sabotage by competition? cosmic rays?
1229 2011-01-18 19:08:21 <newsham> cuda woulda shoulda..  serious asic kicking
1230 2011-01-18 19:08:21 <ArtForz> "will his newest 5970 hit 900MHz? find out after the break"
1231 2011-01-18 19:08:24 <andrew12_> I wanna try writing a miner later :P
1232 2011-01-18 19:08:45 <andrew12_> Could probably do it now
1233 2011-01-18 19:08:46 <nanotube> newsham: well, besides self-revelation, there's no way to get stats. so it's not like one can inspect the network to see who has how much power.
1234 2011-01-18 19:08:50 <gigitrix> hah, you can imagine the server farm reaching critical, with components melting everywhere
1235 2011-01-18 19:08:55 <ArtForz> "there goes another $180 PSU"
1236 2011-01-18 19:09:07 <newsham> nano: right, but it seems all the big people know what all the other big people are up to
1237 2011-01-18 19:09:12 <gigitrix> sabotaged by a rival miner, the cooling systems hacked
1238 2011-01-18 19:09:16 <ArtForz> hehehe
1239 2011-01-18 19:09:19 <newsham> and the total amount of cpu power is public knowledge
1240 2011-01-18 19:09:25 <gigitrix> the facility has alarms beeping everywhere
1241 2011-01-18 19:09:28 <andrew12_> Brb, tethering my droid to my mac
1242 2011-01-18 19:09:31 <newsham> gigi: stuxnet slowed down his fans?
1243 2011-01-18 19:09:35 <gigitrix> exactly
1244 2011-01-18 19:09:39 <ArtForz> don't forget botnet wannabe miners DDoSing the pools
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1246 2011-01-18 19:09:46 <gigitrix> lol
1247 2011-01-18 19:09:59 <gigitrix> with javascript miners :D
1248 2011-01-18 19:10:04 <nanotube> ArtForz: hehe. well i bet they'll set up their own pool on an anon vps, now that slush blocked them.
1249 2011-01-18 19:10:14 <ArtForz> iirc slush kicked a ~1knode botnet off his pool
1250 2011-01-18 19:10:27 <nanotube> yep
1251 2011-01-18 19:10:29 <gigitrix> yeah i read
1252 2011-01-18 19:10:29 <nanotube> that he did
1253 2011-01-18 19:10:47 <ArtForz> I think it also had a REALLY crappy hashrate per miner
1254 2011-01-18 19:10:52 <gigitrix> seems like custom pool would be a better option for them
1255 2011-01-18 19:10:58 <ArtForz> something like 500khps
1256 2011-01-18 19:11:05 <nanotube> yep
1257 2011-01-18 19:11:06 <gigitrix> not sure if i like that though
1258 2011-01-18 19:11:09 <nanotube> that's what he said.
1259 2011-01-18 19:11:22 <ArtForz> well, probably not using 100% CPU
1260 2011-01-18 19:11:39 <gigitrix> 500khashes, that's like my laptop lol
1261 2011-01-18 19:11:41 <nanotube> gigitrix: well, it added .2ghps to the network... anything that helps the network add hash power is good for it. :)
1262 2011-01-18 19:11:46 <ArtForz> yep
1263 2011-01-18 19:11:49 <gigitrix> I stopped that in a hurry
1264 2011-01-18 19:11:49 <newsham> artforz: *shrug* if it scales.. i mean look at the hadoop piece of crap.  each node is really inefficient, but they throw enoughof em together and get an OK performance out of em
1265 2011-01-18 19:11:58 <gigitrix> yeah i guess
1266 2011-01-18 19:12:07 <ArtForz> as long as it's not a single botnet it's fine I guess
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1268 2011-01-18 19:12:08 <nanotube> ArtForz: probably. that's what i'd do if i was running a botnet. don't want my bots to notice and drop out.
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1270 2011-01-18 19:12:19 <gigitrix> just have to figure out the "push" like slush is rather than the 5second pull of getwork
1271 2011-01-18 19:12:30 <ArtForz> but then you need a metric crapload of nodes to make a dent
1272 2011-01-18 19:12:48 <nanotube> right, but as long as they're 'free' for the operator... who cares how many you need. :)
1273 2011-01-18 19:12:49 <newsham> you could just use a metric half-crapload of nodes and get free money
1274 2011-01-18 19:12:56 <gigitrix> yeah
1275 2011-01-18 19:12:56 <ArtForz> 1000 zombies slower than a single 5970
1276 2011-01-18 19:13:01 <newsham> the profit margins are higher when you dont pay for cpu, heat or electricity
1277 2011-01-18 19:13:05 <ArtForz> yep
1278 2011-01-18 19:13:07 <nanotube> indeed.
1279 2011-01-18 19:13:23 <ArtForz> but zombies aren't completely free either
1280 2011-01-18 19:13:25 <andrew12^mac> quick! someone make a pool that mines for only you, but don't tell anyone that!
1281 2011-01-18 19:13:29 <andrew12^mac> :P
1282 2011-01-18 19:13:53 <newsham> sure, the cost is the risk of it causing you headaches, the development cost and the opportunity cost of not using it for other things like selling viagra
1283 2011-01-18 19:14:01 <gigitrix> yeah
1284 2011-01-18 19:14:01 <ArtForz> yep
1285 2011-01-18 19:14:15 <gigitrix> i imagine they could make more through other means
1286 2011-01-18 19:14:43 <gigitrix> particularly as from their perspective they have to go through the hassle of converting BTC->national currency
1287 2011-01-18 19:14:52 <newsham> yah, well, rational behavior in the market is a myth :)
1288 2011-01-18 19:15:01 <gigitrix> yeah
1289 2011-01-18 19:15:03 <ArtForz> well, thats the same for other miners too, until you can pay your utility company in BTC ...
1290 2011-01-18 19:15:29 <gigitrix> yeah true, but I mean in terms of a general bot herder
1291 2011-01-18 19:15:34 <ArtForz> yep
1292 2011-01-18 19:15:36 <gigitrix> not one who "likes" bitcoin
1293 2011-01-18 19:15:43 <ArtForz> well, they seem to like webmoney ;)
1294 2011-01-18 19:15:46 <newsham> take me for example.  i mined for a while to get some BTC even though it is worth less than electricity
1295 2011-01-18 19:15:57 <newsham> but it was fun for kicks and easiest way to get some small amount of btc
1296 2011-01-18 19:16:14 <newsham> i can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent! :)
1297 2011-01-18 19:16:18 <gigitrix> everybody must have done that, it's how I got my 0.03btc :D
1298 2011-01-18 19:16:23 <gigitrix> took a week
1299 2011-01-18 19:16:49 <gigitrix> then i put it on my mate's 2xgpu miners and he got 80,000kh/s :/
1300 2011-01-18 19:17:07 <ArtForz> thats not really much
1301 2011-01-18 19:17:13 <gigitrix> has 0.3 before i'd finished setting it up for him
1302 2011-01-18 19:17:23 <ArtForz> my slowest card is ~200Mh/s
1303 2011-01-18 19:17:24 <gigitrix> in comparison it is, i was getting 800
1304 2011-01-18 19:17:36 <ArtForz> a 5770
1305 2011-01-18 19:17:44 <gigitrix> yeah but it's more of a "run this while you play Starcraft" scenario
1306 2011-01-18 19:17:49 <ArtForz> which is like $120
1307 2011-01-18 19:17:52 <andrew12^mac> is there some sort of documentation somewhere of how to generate a block or do i just have to read current code?
1308 2011-01-18 19:18:04 <gigitrix> we are hoping to "mine" by providing bitcoin services like this ad network
1309 2011-01-18 19:18:27 <gigitrix> and taking small operating costs and profits out of them, but being open about our process
1310 2011-01-18 19:18:27 <ArtForz> and I still havent found the drive to add interleaved kernel runs to my CAL miner
1311 2011-01-18 19:18:30 <andrew12^mac> make something like bux.to for bitcoin
1312 2011-01-18 19:18:49 <newsham> andrew: the wiki has a document describing the protocol
1313 2011-01-18 19:18:50 <andrew12^mac> where you get paid for looking at advertisers sites, filling out some survey, etc
1314 2011-01-18 19:18:51 <gigitrix> that's exactly my intention
1315 2011-01-18 19:18:58 <newsham> its not a complet spec, but its a good start
1316 2011-01-18 19:19:07 <andrew12^mac> ty newsham. i'll look around there
1317 2011-01-18 19:19:26 <gigitrix> wasn't well received on the forums, but i'm integrating that into my ad network and such after i've got basic functionality there
1318 2011-01-18 19:19:29 <newsham> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification
1319 2011-01-18 19:19:36 <andrew12^mac> newsham: yep, just found it
1320 2011-01-18 19:19:56 <ArtForz> imo the best way to get into the technical details of mining is the cpu miner in older bitcoin revisions
1321 2011-01-18 19:20:07 <gigitrix> I imagine it being a bit like the Faucet: people will be able to get small amounts pretty easily
1322 2011-01-18 19:20:17 <andrew12^mac> hmm
1323 2011-01-18 19:20:23 <ArtForz> all the optimization is kinda obfuscating the core algorithm
1324 2011-01-18 19:20:26 <andrew12^mac> i think i'm going to try to write a node
1325 2011-01-18 19:20:40 <andrew12^mac> for lulz
1326 2011-01-18 19:20:45 <ArtForz> hmmm... just wondered something
1327 2011-01-18 19:21:07 <ArtForz> couldn't you create your own "pooled" miner without a central server?
1328 2011-01-18 19:21:40 <gigitrix> is that possible?
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1330 2011-01-18 19:21:47 <ArtForz> I think so
1331 2011-01-18 19:21:57 <gigitrix> actually yes, if it's all under your control
1332 2011-01-18 19:21:58 <andrew12^mac> ooh, like a p2p pool
1333 2011-01-18 19:21:59 <andrew12^mac> ?
1334 2011-01-18 19:22:05 <ArtForz> yeah
1335 2011-01-18 19:22:14 <andrew12^mac> probably. that sounds interesting
1336 2011-01-18 19:22:18 <gigitrix> "receive a block, send it to master account"
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1338 2011-01-18 19:22:32 <andrew12^mac> have everyone that's using your pool have a public key or something
1339 2011-01-18 19:22:32 <gigitrix> then they just crunch the "main" space
1340 2011-01-18 19:22:34 <newsham> artforz: bitcoin is a pooled miner without a central server.
1341 2011-01-18 19:22:35 <andrew12^mac> hmm
1342 2011-01-18 19:22:59 <ArtForz> err... well, without having to have individual miner nodes wait for a mined block to mature before sending it on
1343 2011-01-18 19:23:06 <ArtForz> just mine blocks with "coinbase-to-address"
1344 2011-01-18 19:23:27 <gigitrix> you wouldn't get the incremental payments, but you'd get the raw power and when clients find blocks they would send them up to the boss of the group/botnet/whatever
1345 2011-01-18 19:23:27 <ArtForz> and put the per-miner randomness in bnExtraNonce
1346 2011-01-18 19:23:57 <ArtForz> yeah, you could send output from your zombies to a central adresses without having to have them coordinated by ... anything really
1347 2011-01-18 19:24:47 <ArtForz> also the miner nodes dont need a local wallet
1348 2011-01-18 19:25:13 <ArtForz> hell, they dont even need to add transactions to their blocks or keep the whole blockchain around
1349 2011-01-18 19:25:33 <ArtForz> all they need is hprevblock, which they can get from the p2p network easily
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1351 2011-01-18 19:26:16 <newsham> dont you need some sort of consensus mechanism with proof-of-work to have the network pay out fairly without cheating?
1352 2011-01-18 19:26:29 <ArtForz> ?
1353 2011-01-18 19:27:45 <newsham> what prevents a node in the pool from cheating and keeping his windfall for himself?
1354 2011-01-18 19:28:02 <ArtForz> where? how?
1355 2011-01-18 19:28:35 <ArtForz> this is more of a concept for a botnet herder run pool-of-zombies
1356 2011-01-18 19:28:38 <andrew12^mac> newsham: nodes do getwork on the main server, and the main server decides if the hash is right. if it is, the 50 btc is divided among the people that helped with that block. if it's wrong, nothing happens
1357 2011-01-18 19:28:45 <newsham> oh, you're talking about a botnet
1358 2011-01-18 19:28:47 <newsham> nevermind
1359 2011-01-18 19:28:53 <andrew12^mac> newsham: it's pretty much impossible because the pool decides where the btc goes
1360 2011-01-18 19:29:05 <newsham> andrew: i'm not talking about a centralized pool
1361 2011-01-18 19:29:11 <andrew12^mac> ohh
1362 2011-01-18 19:29:12 <andrew12^mac> nevermind
1363 2011-01-18 19:29:13 <donpdonp> newsham: that could happen but the node is in the pool because a winning block is so infrequent that i imagine its not a problem for the pool
1364 2011-01-18 19:32:52 <andrew12^mac> http://codepad.org/XWbG6cVl
1365 2011-01-18 19:32:58 <andrew12^mac> :]
1366 2011-01-18 19:33:27 <donpdonp> andrew12^mac: good guess :)
1367 2011-01-18 19:33:32 <andrew12^mac> now for ripemd-160
1368 2011-01-18 19:34:09 <newsham> andrew: wow you're almost done now! :)
1369 2011-01-18 19:34:18 <gigitrix> that verizonmath link newsham sent me is genius btw
1370 2011-01-18 19:34:33 <gigitrix> just watched the failblog video
1371 2011-01-18 19:34:33 <ArtForz> wtf
1372 2011-01-18 19:35:09 <andrew12^mac> ftw
1373 2011-01-18 19:35:10 <ArtForz> why write yet another bitcointools?
1374 2011-01-18 19:35:26 <newsham> artforz: why not? :)
1375 2011-01-18 19:35:34 <andrew12^mac> this isn't going to be bitcointools
1376 2011-01-18 19:35:38 <andrew12^mac> it's going to be a node
1377 2011-01-18 19:35:50 <newsham> writing code is fun
1378 2011-01-18 19:36:00 <newsham> also a great way to understand something
1379 2011-01-18 19:36:09 <CIA-106> bitcoin: David FRANCOIS master * r04a9217 / init.cpp : Add the -keypool option description to help output - http://bit.ly/giV5yi
1380 2011-01-18 19:36:14 <andrew12^mac> i *could* write bitcointools though :p
1381 2011-01-18 19:36:18 <ArtForz> sure, but it's needless duplication of work
1382 2011-01-18 19:36:38 <newsham> yup.  like mountain climbing. :)
1383 2011-01-18 19:36:43 <ArtForz> imo easier to use bitcointools as a template for address/block/tx verification than starting from the C++ code
1384 2011-01-18 19:36:47 <newsham> already been done..
1385 2011-01-18 19:37:16 <andrew12^mac> i might try that
1386 2011-01-18 19:37:30 <andrew12^mac> but it's more fun for me to try it and see if it works :p
1387 2011-01-18 19:37:42 <ArtForz> as in, I find the algorithm a lot easier to understand by reading bitcointools source than from wading through the C++ client
1388 2011-01-18 19:37:51 <andrew12^mac> that's not what i'm doing
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1391 2011-01-18 19:37:56 <x6763> sometimes it's easier to understand something if you duplicate it...and writing it a new way can make it easier for some other people to understand it
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1394 2011-01-18 19:38:00 <andrew12^mac> i'm reading https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification
1395 2011-01-18 19:38:18 <CIA-106> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * r1aefe49 / rpc.cpp : Merge branch 'setaccountbug' of https://github.com/gavinandresen/bitcoin-git into integration - http://bit.ly/igANRJ
1396 2011-01-18 19:40:33 <CIA-106> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * r76e97c4 / rpc.cpp : Merge branch 'gettransaction' of https://github.com/gavinandresen/bitcoin-git into integration - http://bit.ly/flCmCz
1397 2011-01-18 19:40:34 <ArtForz> alo check out http://pastebin.com/ZSM7iHZw ;)
1398 2011-01-18 19:40:35 <CIA-106> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * rb467190 / rpc.cpp : Merge branch 'listaccountsbug' of https://github.com/gavinandresen/bitcoin-git into integration - http://bit.ly/h5CVPy
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1400 2011-01-18 19:41:07 <andrew12^mac> hmm
1401 2011-01-18 19:41:35 <gigitrix> if anything, rewriting according to the theoretical spec and examples will uncover any potential bugs in the protocol itself
1402 2011-01-18 19:41:36 <ArtForz> it's a bit outdated, but it's pretty much the simplest possible p2p network message parsing/building code
1403 2011-01-18 19:41:53 <andrew12^mac> i probably won't need a something to get ripemd-160 since it's just a node
1404 2011-01-18 19:42:07 <gigitrix> it's important to have multiple clients, for example, to highlight potential cases of accidental "trusting the client"
1405 2011-01-18 19:42:23 <andrew12^mac> though it would be a good idea to have it be able to check if an address is valid..
1406 2011-01-18 19:42:46 <ArtForz> btw, the base58 stuff is tricky as hell to get right
1407 2011-01-18 19:43:51 <andrew12^mac> https://github.com/dougal/base58 ^.^
1408 2011-01-18 19:45:10 <ArtForz> I'm pretty sure that code is incorrect
1409 2011-01-18 19:45:20 <andrew12^mac> it might be
1410 2011-01-18 19:45:23 <andrew12^mac> but i've gotta go
1411 2011-01-18 19:45:27 <andrew12^mac> cya :P
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1413 2011-01-18 19:47:29 <ArtForz> bitcoins base58 en/decoding is 'special'
1414 2011-01-18 19:47:46 <ArtForz> special as in as in special needs
1415 2011-01-18 19:47:53 <lfm> testnet base58 is even more special
1416 2011-01-18 19:48:12 <ArtForz> hehehe
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1418 2011-01-18 19:50:28 <andrew12^mac> I lied :P
1419 2011-01-18 19:51:05 * hacim tries to decide if a $400 5970 is worth it
1420 2011-01-18 19:51:41 <andrew12^mac> depends on what you use it for ;)
1421 2011-01-18 19:51:55 <hacim> well I've seen them for cheaper
1422 2011-01-18 19:52:01 <ArtForz> new?
1423 2011-01-18 19:52:11 <hacim> $400 new, yes
1424 2011-01-18 19:52:18 <ArtForz> thats a decent price
1425 2011-01-18 19:52:33 <newsham> how much will the electricity cost you?  how many mhps will it give you?  how will $/mhps evolve over the next few months?
1426 2011-01-18 19:52:48 <ArtForz> hey, he didn't ask about the economies of mining
1427 2011-01-18 19:53:04 <newsham> are you willing to convert btc to dollars
1428 2011-01-18 19:53:07 <ArtForz> and $400 for a new 5970 is pretty damn decent
1429 2011-01-18 19:53:33 <hacim> converting btc to dollars isn't that difficult
1430 2011-01-18 19:53:51 <andrew12^mac> hmm
1431 2011-01-18 19:54:02 <andrew12^mac> how would I turn ",\xF2M\xBA_\xB0\xA3\x0E&\xE8;*\xC5\xB9\xE2\x9E\e\x16\x1E\\\x1F\xA7B^s\x043b\x93\x8B\x98$" into a base58 string?
1432 2011-01-18 19:54:06 <newsham> artforz: i'm suprised you dont have some history of $/mhps (ie. how difficulty vs $/btc has evolved), to make projections for your large asic investment
1433 2011-01-18 19:54:15 <andrew12^mac> or at least an integer
1434 2011-01-18 19:54:16 <andrew12^mac> hmm, struct?
1435 2011-01-18 19:54:40 <ArtForz> I dont have a  nice chart, but I did the math
1436 2011-01-18 19:54:53 <newsham> to convert to an integer in little-endian, last byte, multiply by 256 and add the next one, multiply that by 256 and add the next one, until you get to the first byte
1437 2011-01-18 19:54:59 <newsham> or work in the other order for big endian
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1439 2011-01-18 19:55:47 <ArtForz> also, order of magnitude more power efficient than 5970s at roughly the same $/Mh excluding setup costs
1440 2011-01-18 19:55:54 <newsham> then to convert to some other base (ie. 58) do the opposite, divide by 58, output the remainder and then take the quotient and repeat (divide by 58, output remainder, etc)
1441 2011-01-18 19:56:00 <andrew12^mac> hmm
1442 2011-01-18 19:56:11 <andrew12^mac> '$'.ord is 36
1443 2011-01-18 19:56:15 <ArtForz> newsham: you forget the lading-0-byte special casing
1444 2011-01-18 19:56:16 <newsham> reverse the results if you want big endian
1445 2011-01-18 19:56:47 <newsham> artforz: i'm assuming you repeat this some fixed number of times, not until zero.
1446 2011-01-18 19:57:04 <ArtForz> thats the thing, bitcoin doesnt do it this way
1447 2011-01-18 19:57:12 <ArtForz> bitcoin base58 encoded addrs are variable length
1448 2011-01-18 19:57:25 <newsham> sorry, not familair with those details.
1449 2011-01-18 19:57:34 <hacim> newsham: its about 0.771658272/day to run a 5970 for me
1450 2011-01-18 19:57:36 <newsham> repeat until zero.. if you get no output, emit a zero :)
1451 2011-01-18 19:57:38 <ArtForz> well, you need to if you want a compatible impl.
1452 2011-01-18 19:58:33 <andrew12^mac> hmm, maybe i can just find some way to do sha256 but with an int instead of a string..
1453 2011-01-18 19:58:44 <ArtForz> iirc I helped gavin iron out the bugs in bitcointools base58
1454 2011-01-18 19:58:46 <andrew12^mac> or i can find a way to do hex to int. that I can do
1455 2011-01-18 19:59:24 <newsham> artforz: i'm curious (i didnt do the math), is $/mhps going up or down and is it slow or fast?
1456 2011-01-18 19:59:36 <ArtForz> down
1457 2011-01-18 19:59:39 <ArtForz> slowed down a bit
1458 2011-01-18 19:59:41 <lfm> or use bitcoin's own validateaddress <bitcoinaddress>
1459 2011-01-18 19:59:55 <ArtForz> was dropping pretty rapidly after gpu miners came out
1460 2011-01-18 19:59:59 <ArtForz> no real surprise there
1461 2011-01-18 20:00:05 <newsham> down seems obvious but i wasnt sure since btc has been appreciating so quickly against dollar
1462 2011-01-18 20:00:20 <hacim> the big question is if I should buy two of them
1463 2011-01-18 20:00:29 <ArtForz> looks like it's still going down, as it should be
1464 2011-01-18 20:01:08 <ArtForz> = we're still above pre-GPU mining $/W
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1468 2011-01-18 20:03:30 <andrew121mac> stupid mobile broadband
1469 2011-01-18 20:03:40 <andrew121mac> < andrew12^mac> is 20329878786436204988385760252021328656300425018755239228739303522659023427620 (which is "2cf24dba5fb0a30e26e83b2ac5b9e29e1b161e5c1fa7425e73043362938b9824", or sha256('hello')) "42sewF1VfaABi65Y7QCxg9HcoVxEY3ndCukC75zKw2o5" in base58?
1470 2011-01-18 20:03:47 <gigitrix> right guys I gotta go get some food
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1472 2011-01-18 20:03:55 <newsham> artforz: after you pay off the asic farm you should get some PV solar :)
1473 2011-01-18 20:04:21 <ArtForz> sorry, no space left
1474 2011-01-18 20:04:25 <newsham> free heating, free electricity, etc..
1475 2011-01-18 20:04:50 <newsham> whats on your roof?
1476 2011-01-18 20:04:55 <ArtForz> a PV system
1477 2011-01-18 20:05:12 <newsham> oh, already got one.  do you consume more than it generates?
1478 2011-01-18 20:05:17 <newsham> got net metering?
1479 2011-01-18 20:05:19 <gigitrix> if anyone wants to sign up for my beta (ad website) please give me a whisper with an email address and I'll email all participants once the site goes online
1480 2011-01-18 20:05:29 <ArtForz> actually I got something better
1481 2011-01-18 20:05:33 <andrew121mac> gigitrix: depends on what it is ;)
1482 2011-01-18 20:05:47 <ArtForz> seperate meters
1483 2011-01-18 20:06:05 <ArtForz> I get $0.4/kWh for the power my PV system produces
1484 2011-01-18 20:06:16 <ArtForz> and pay $0.3/kWh for grid power
1485 2011-01-18 20:06:17 <gigitrix> it's an ad network for bitcoin site owners: pay in and out all entirely in bitcoins
1486 2011-01-18 20:06:19 <newsham> heh
1487 2011-01-18 20:06:21 <newsham> wow
1488 2011-01-18 20:06:27 <newsham> thats a deal right there
1489 2011-01-18 20:06:46 <ArtForz> so instead of using my own solar power it's mroe economical to sell it and buy grid power
1490 2011-01-18 20:06:50 <newsham> we have net metering here but only to $0.  elec co wont pay out for excess.
1491 2011-01-18 20:06:52 <Diet_Dr_Thunder> wat
1492 2011-01-18 20:06:54 <newsham> i dont have pv yet though.
1493 2011-01-18 20:06:57 <Diet_Dr_Thunder> oh, highlighting
1494 2011-01-18 20:07:11 <ArtForz> german PV subventions are... weird
1495 2011-01-18 20:07:14 <newsham> hoping to get pv in the next 6mos or so
1496 2011-01-18 20:07:16 <gigitrix> @andrew121mac: if you own a site or can advertise/want to advertise it might be useful
1497 2011-01-18 20:07:34 <newsham> artforz: so i guess thats incentive to max out your system.
1498 2011-01-18 20:07:37 <ArtForz> same thing for small wind generators
1499 2011-01-18 20:09:23 <ArtForz> imo it's stupid
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1501 2011-01-18 20:09:56 <ArtForz> it would make more sense to pay for PV of solar-thermal plants in southern spain than fucking germany
1502 2011-01-18 20:11:14 <ArtForz> = it'd be completely uneconomical to run PV here vs eco-tax-less utility power prices
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1507 2011-01-18 20:19:28 <andrew12^droid> I give up on using my phone's internet
1508 2011-01-18 20:19:33 <andrew12^droid> Tethered, at least
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1512 2011-01-18 20:38:46 <andrew12^mac> yay
1513 2011-01-18 20:38:48 <andrew12^mac> http://pastie.org/1474953
1514 2011-01-18 20:38:58 <andrew12^mac> there's no documentation for the openssl module
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1516 2011-01-18 20:39:08 <andrew12^mac> i had to blindly guess
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1520 2011-01-18 20:40:59 <andrew12^mac> >> OpenSSL::Digest.constants
1521 2011-01-18 20:40:59 <andrew12^mac> => [:DigestError, :DSS, :DSS1, :MD2, :MD4, :MD5, :MDC2, :RIPEMD160, :SHA, :SHA1, :SHA224, :SHA256, :SHA384, :SHA512, :Digest]
1522 2011-01-18 20:41:55 <andrew12^mac> oh
1523 2011-01-18 20:42:58 <andrew12^mac> if i use Digest instead of OpenSSL::Digest, it all still works
1524 2011-01-18 20:45:04 <andrew12^mac> except for ripemd-160... heh
1525 2011-01-18 20:47:18 <xelister> ArtForz: AMD stream 2.1 should support all 4 GPUs in case of 2 x 5970 ?
1526 2011-01-18 20:47:52 <ArtForz> also works fine with 8 GPUs
1527 2011-01-18 20:48:52 <xelister> we run it on diablominer
1528 2011-01-18 20:48:56 <xelister> and just 1 cpu is detected
1529 2011-01-18 20:49:12 <ArtForz> did you set DISPLAY?
1530 2011-01-18 20:49:15 <xelister> even with crossfire bullshit, 2 gpus should be detected, or actually 4 (but 2 of them will give wrong results) right?
1531 2011-01-18 20:49:30 <ArtForz> no clue about windows
1532 2011-01-18 20:50:43 * xelister slaps ArtForz with a glove
1533 2011-01-18 20:50:44 * xelister slaps ArtForz with a glove
1534 2011-01-18 20:50:46 * xelister slaps ArtForz with a glove
1535 2011-01-18 20:50:47 * xelister slaps ArtForz with a glove
1536 2011-01-18 20:50:50 <xelister> Im running linux here, sir
1537 2011-01-18 20:51:43 <sipa> 21:44:47 < ArtForz> did you set DISPLAY?
1538 2011-01-18 20:52:16 <xelister> yeap, thanks ArtForz, trying it
1539 2011-01-18 20:53:16 <xelister> ArtForz: nope.. still just 1 cypress core
1540 2011-01-18 20:53:41 <ArtForz> all 4 GPUs as devices in xorg.conf?
1541 2011-01-18 20:53:59 <xelister> it is fresh install... ok so I guess it is time to fuck with aticonfig. again. ;-(
1542 2011-01-18 20:54:19 <ArtForz> what did you do to generate the initial xorg.conf?
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1544 2011-01-18 20:55:12 <ArtForz> what did you do to generate the initial xorg.conf?
1545 2011-01-18 20:56:37 <slush> What I should do to generate xorg.conf? Isn't here an autodetection already?
1546 2011-01-18 20:56:42 <ArtForz> no
1547 2011-01-18 20:56:47 <ArtForz> aticonfig --adapter=all --initial
1548 2011-01-18 20:57:04 <ArtForz> or aticonfig --adapter=all --initial -f to force it to generate a fresh one
1549 2011-01-18 20:57:16 <slush> thanks, writing down
1550 2011-01-18 20:57:19 <ArtForz> leave out the -adapteR=all and you only get a config for the first GPU
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1552 2011-01-18 20:58:15 <sipa> should you use ati drivers 10.12 or earlier ones?
1553 2011-01-18 20:58:22 <ArtForz> yes
1554 2011-01-18 20:58:39 <ArtForz> *ducks*
1555 2011-01-18 20:58:42 <ArtForz> nah, you need 10.12 if you have a 69xx
1556 2011-01-18 20:58:49 <ArtForz> at least 10.11 for a 68xx
1557 2011-01-18 20:58:54 <xelister> 69xx suck
1558 2011-01-18 20:58:57 * xelister throws a rock
1559 2011-01-18 20:59:00 <ArtForz> for 5xxx, anythong >= 10.10 seems to work well
1560 2011-01-18 20:59:00 * sipa has 4870 and 5970
1561 2011-01-18 20:59:14 <ArtForz> *anythong
1562 2011-01-18 20:59:16 <ArtForz> damn
1563 2011-01-18 20:59:18 <ArtForz> *anything
1564 2011-01-18 20:59:31 <sipa> but it's not like the stream sdk where you shouldn't use the latest version
1565 2011-01-18 20:59:32 <sipa> ?
1566 2011-01-18 20:59:37 <ArtForz> nah
1567 2011-01-18 20:59:51 <ArtForz> I run 4*5970 on 10.12 no problem
1568 2011-01-18 21:00:05 <ArtForz> seems to be even a bit faster than 10.10
1569 2011-01-18 21:02:07 <ArtForz> btw, the multiGPU slowdown and CPU hogging is limited to OpenCL in sdk 2.2/2.3, CAL works fine
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1582 2011-01-18 21:35:38 <xelister> ArtForz: http://pastebin.com/J4NrLYyi  even with this,  just 1 not 4 gpus... any idea?
1583 2011-01-18 21:36:31 <ArtForz> that looks okay
1584 2011-01-18 21:36:41 <ArtForz> export DISPLAY=:0
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1592 2011-01-18 21:58:50 <andrew12^mac> now that my lag fest is over
1593 2011-01-18 21:58:56 <andrew12^mac> hmm... on mtgox, if i were to say that I was buying 10 BTC at 0.5 USD, it uses the lowest offer first, right?
1594 2011-01-18 22:00:13 <sipa> yes, you give a maximum price you're willing to pay
1595 2011-01-18 22:00:16 <andrew12^mac> ok
1596 2011-01-18 22:00:26 <sipa> but the price it set by the seller
1597 2011-01-18 22:01:22 <slush> ArtForz: Can I have question regards to two PSUs in one box? I cannot find anything trustworthy online, there are many different advices...
1598 2011-01-18 22:01:24 <andrew12^mac> why did it only give me 9.94 BTC
1599 2011-01-18 22:02:15 <tcatm> andrew12^mac: fees
1600 2011-01-18 22:02:41 <andrew12^mac> i guess that's okay. i've got some more btc on my computer at home
1601 2011-01-18 22:03:20 <ArtForz> mtgox takes a 0.65% fee from both sides of each trade
1602 2011-01-18 22:03:29 <andrew12^mac> I see
1603 2011-01-18 22:03:45 <ArtForz> slush: it works fine if you use the 2nd PSU only for GPU PCIe power
1604 2011-01-18 22:04:33 <ArtForz> PCIe are cards are *required* to keep the 12V rails from mainboard and each power connector seperate, thay also *have* to accept any power sequencing on the +12V rails
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1606 2011-01-18 22:05:03 <andrew121mac> more lag .-.
1607 2011-01-18 22:05:10 <andrew121mac> 16:58:54 < ArtForz> mtgox takes a 0.65% fee from both sides of each trade
1608 2011-01-18 22:05:10 <andrew121mac> 16:59:03 < andrew12^mac> I see
1609 2011-01-18 22:05:10 <andrew121mac> 17:00:13 < andrew12^mac> though it sucks that I did 10 BTC (which is the min for you to sell at) and it only gave me 9.94, which isn't enough to sell
1610 2011-01-18 22:05:24 <ArtForz> yep, that kinda sucks
1611 2011-01-18 22:05:46 <nanotube> andrew121mac: maybe you can try bitcoin-central. no fees. :)
1612 2011-01-18 22:05:46 <sipa> ArtForz: how do they do that? a 5970 takes 75W from the PCIe slot, and 150W+75W from PCIe power connectors, right?
1613 2011-01-18 22:05:52 <ArtForz> yes
1614 2011-01-18 22:06:11 <sipa> but they can't just give 75W+75W to one GPU, and 150W to the other one
1615 2011-01-18 22:06:21 <ArtForz> nope
1616 2011-01-18 22:06:33 <sipa> since that would mean connecting mainboard power and connector power lines together
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1618 2011-01-18 22:06:37 <ArtForz> yep
1619 2011-01-18 22:06:48 <ArtForz> which is strictly verboten according to PCIe spec
1620 2011-01-18 22:06:52 <andrew12_> Has andrew12^mac pinged yet?
1621 2011-01-18 22:07:07 <andrew12_> Er, nevermind
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1623 2011-01-18 22:07:16 <andrew12^droid> :P
1624 2011-01-18 22:07:18 <ArtForz> well, duh, even with a single PSU it'd bridge different 12V rails together = there goes signle rail overcurrent limiting
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1626 2011-01-18 22:07:56 <andrew12^droid> it'd be cool if I was able to do /join #bitcoin-
1627 2011-01-18 22:07:58 <andrew12^droid> Er
1628 2011-01-18 22:08:07 <ArtForz> iirc GPU cores are fed from the PCIe rails
1629 2011-01-18 22:08:24 <andrew12^droid> it'd be cool if I was able to do /join #bitcoin-{dev,otc,discussion,monitor,market}
1630 2011-01-18 22:08:24 <slush> ArtForz: But second PSU needs some tweak on main connector to start with primary PSU, right?
1631 2011-01-18 22:08:29 <ArtForz> yep
1632 2011-01-18 22:08:58 <slush> http://www.overclock.net/faqs/15751-info-can-i-use-two-power.html
1633 2011-01-18 22:09:00 <andrew12^droid> Though this isn't bash :p
1634 2011-01-18 22:09:01 <slush> is this correct?
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1636 2011-01-18 22:09:20 <sipa> ArtForz: and the 75W from the slot only goes to other fans and maybe other circuitry besides the GPUs?
1637 2011-01-18 22:09:25 <sipa> -other
1638 2011-01-18 22:09:30 <andrew12^droid> Heh
1639 2011-01-18 22:09:39 <ArtForz> yep
1640 2011-01-18 22:09:50 * sipa learns
1641 2011-01-18 22:09:54 <ArtForz> iirc the memory VRMs are also fed from slot
1642 2011-01-18 22:10:01 <ArtForz> thats the really cheap way though
1643 2011-01-18 22:10:36 <ArtForz> more elegant, connect GND to GND and PS_ON to PS_ON from 2nd to 1st 20-pin
1644 2011-01-18 22:10:53 <slush> what is the difference?
1645 2011-01-18 22:10:59 <slush> oh, I see
1646 2011-01-18 22:11:05 <slush> from second to first PSU
1647 2011-01-18 22:11:07 <ArtForz> bridging green to black = PSU is always on
1648 2011-01-18 22:11:20 <ArtForz> connecting greens in parallel = both PSUs get turned on from mainboard
1649 2011-01-18 22:11:31 <slush> yes, but my PSU have switch under power cable
1650 2011-01-18 22:11:37 <ArtForz> yep
1651 2011-01-18 22:11:47 <ArtForz> I hacked up something even a bit more elegant :P
1652 2011-01-18 22:11:56 <slush> I don't see any possible troubles to start second PSU first and then PSU with mobo...
1653 2011-01-18 22:12:03 <ArtForz> nope, no problems with that
1654 2011-01-18 22:12:04 <slush> I know how you mean the hack
1655 2011-01-18 22:12:17 <ArtForz> thats how I started my 4*5970 boxes before I built my master-slave adapters
1656 2011-01-18 22:12:20 <slush> but this is much more easier when I don't have any tools :)
1657 2011-01-18 22:12:35 <ArtForz> btw, his way with crimping pins is WAY overkill
1658 2011-01-18 22:12:45 <slush> I know
1659 2011-01-18 22:12:51 <slush> I'll use simple wire
1660 2011-01-18 22:13:02 <ArtForz> yep
1661 2011-01-18 22:13:29 <slush> or... office clip
1662 2011-01-18 22:13:43 <slush> (I don't know correct term)
1663 2011-01-18 22:13:57 <ArtForz> paper clip
1664 2011-01-18 22:14:00 <slush> thanks
1665 2011-01-18 22:14:24 <ArtForz> I like using AWG24 stranded from old IDE/floppy ribbon cables, stipping about 10mm and folding back the wire strands over the insulation, fits like a glove inside a atx connector
1666 2011-01-18 22:15:05 <slush> oh, I have some here, so I'll try it
1667 2011-01-18 22:15:11 <slush> thanks for valuable advices :)
1668 2011-01-18 22:16:11 <ArtForz> np
1669 2011-01-18 22:17:09 <tcatm> What's the best backup method for windows (not bitcoin but more for all user data)?
1670 2011-01-18 22:17:37 <ArtForz> slowly?
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1672 2011-01-18 22:18:14 <ArtForz> see a windows box, back up. slowly ;)
1673 2011-01-18 22:18:29 <lfm> almost any backup is way better than average
1674 2011-01-18 22:18:39 <sipa> turn it off, copy hard drive, turn it on?
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1676 2011-01-18 22:18:53 <andrew12^droid> Artforz lmao
1677 2011-01-18 22:18:53 <sipa> or wait, leave it off; more safe for your data ;)
1678 2011-01-18 22:18:59 <nanotube> tcatm: maybe try backuppc
1679 2011-01-18 22:19:05 <sipa> backuppc is really nice
1680 2011-01-18 22:19:10 <lfm> sipa nope, then youd have to restore to exact same model
1681 2011-01-18 22:19:14 <ArtForz> recent windowses internal backup tools arent too bad
1682 2011-01-18 22:19:29 <sipa> lfm: ?
1683 2011-01-18 22:19:30 <ArtForz> but I kinda like acronis
1684 2011-01-18 22:19:36 <tcatm> I'm stuck with XPP on that box (user refuses to upgrade)
1685 2011-01-18 22:20:20 <tcatm> Yeah, I'm using acronis, too but that doesn't help when the system starts becoming slow
1686 2011-01-18 22:20:24 <lfm> sipa generally id say dont copy drive, do files backups
1687 2011-01-18 22:20:59 <ArtForz> from my experience, modern full disk backup programs handle restoring to dissimilar hardware just fine
1688 2011-01-18 22:21:02 <sipa> lfm: sure, i was joking, initially
1689 2011-01-18 22:23:11 <ArtForz> anyways, theres tons of free/Free file backup programs
1690 2011-01-18 22:23:41 <ArtForz> hell, winrar + a DVD burner is usually all you need to back up *important* data
1691 2011-01-18 22:23:55 <ArtForz> Os and apps are a hassle to reinstall, but not really crucial for anything
1692 2011-01-18 22:24:02 <ArtForz> software is replaceable
1693 2011-01-18 22:24:04 <tcatm> except when your important data changes every day :/
1694 2011-01-18 22:24:13 <ArtForz> cron + rsync
1695 2011-01-18 22:24:22 <ArtForz> errr... scheduled tasks + rsync
1696 2011-01-18 22:24:35 <ArtForz> "if it's stupid but works"
1697 2011-01-18 22:24:47 <ArtForz> better than daily backups on tape
1698 2011-01-18 22:24:51 <tcatm> horrible under windows. used to do that. sometimes it would create corrupted files when they are in use
1699 2011-01-18 22:25:03 <ArtForz> NOBODY checks the tape. ever.
1700 2011-01-18 22:25:06 <nanotube> tcatm: anything wrong with backuppc? (i haven't used it myself, but i hear it's good)
1701 2011-01-18 22:25:13 <tcatm> nanotube: seems to require a server
1702 2011-01-18 22:25:51 <nanotube> tcatm: ah mmm
1703 2011-01-18 22:25:53 <tcatm> I'm currently using cobian backup (which uses volume shadow copy)and basically duplicates the directory structure on another disk. inefficient but at least it's working reliable for over a year now.
1704 2011-01-18 22:26:05 <lfm> if its active data you have to either use app builtin backup or pause app
1705 2011-01-18 22:26:11 <ArtForz> yup
1706 2011-01-18 22:26:26 <ArtForz> I wrote a small VBS script for one guy
1707 2011-01-18 22:26:37 <sipa> yes backuppc requires a server, and it can't run on windows i think
1708 2011-01-18 22:26:57 <sipa> maybe on cygwin
1709 2011-01-18 22:28:00 <ArtForz> sends a signal to a certain app, waits for it to shut down, starts the backup process, when backup is finished fires app back up
1710 2011-01-18 22:28:13 <EvanR-work> whats the best gpu for bitcoin right now
1711 2011-01-18 22:28:16 <EvanR-work> used to be 5970
1712 2011-01-18 22:28:22 <nanotube> still 5970
1713 2011-01-18 22:28:24 <ArtForz> still is 5970
1714 2011-01-18 22:28:24 <EvanR-work> ok
1715 2011-01-18 22:28:32 <andrew12^droid> If you're gonna use cygwin then use rsync and git
1716 2011-01-18 22:28:33 <andrew12^droid> Lol
1717 2011-01-18 22:28:54 <ArtForz> they've gotten a bit more expensive in some places, but they're still the best Mh/W by quite a margin
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1719 2011-01-18 22:29:48 <EvanR-work> Technology takes a trip down the fast lane with the "I've-never-seen-that-kind-of-speed-before" XFX ATI Radeon 5970 Black Edition graphics card
1720 2011-01-18 22:29:53 <xelister> ArtForz:   Diablo adds 4 GPU cores,  --lscc shows none,  --lscs  shows all disabled,  and still getting 1000M instead 2000M. Display :0. Ideas?
1721 2011-01-18 22:29:55 <EvanR-work> nice ad
1722 2011-01-18 22:30:07 <ArtForz> hmmm
1723 2011-01-18 22:30:16 <ArtForz> what does crossfire status say?
1724 2011-01-18 22:30:24 <ArtForz> nm
1725 2011-01-18 22:30:29 <ArtForz> errr
1726 2011-01-18 22:30:40 <ArtForz> 1000M on 4 GPUs sounds about right ....
1727 2011-01-18 22:30:47 <ArtForz> 1 5970 = 535Mh/s
1728 2011-01-18 22:30:55 <ArtForz> = 2 GPUs
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1730 2011-01-18 22:31:09 <ArtForz> = about 267 Mh/s/GPU
1731 2011-01-18 22:31:14 <EvanR-work> ;;bc,calc 535000
1732 2011-01-18 22:31:15 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 535000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 1 day, 17 hours, 6 minutes, and 56 seconds
1733 2011-01-18 22:31:47 <ArtForz> ;;bc,calc 17300000
1734 2011-01-18 22:31:48 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 17300000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 1 hour, 16 minutes, and 17 seconds
1735 2011-01-18 22:32:01 <xelister> wait. That is right, lol ArtForz
1736 2011-01-18 22:32:03 <xelister> :D
1737 2011-01-18 22:32:05 * xelister is sleppy
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1739 2011-01-18 22:36:33 <jgarzik> ;;bc,clac 1800
1740 2011-01-18 22:36:33 <gribble> Error: "bc,clac" is not a valid command.
1741 2011-01-18 22:36:34 <MasterChief> anyone tried the new 6900 whatever radeons yet?
1742 2011-01-18 22:36:37 <jgarzik> ;;bc,calc 1800
1743 2011-01-18 22:36:38 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1800 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 1 year, 20 weeks, 4 days, 4 hours, 32 minutes, and 13 seconds
1744 2011-01-18 22:36:53 <EvanR-work> ArtForz: whats a typical wattage on these
1745 2011-01-18 22:37:23 <ArtForz> on what?
1746 2011-01-18 22:37:25 <ArtForz> 5970?
1747 2011-01-18 22:37:31 <ArtForz> about 300W give or take
1748 2011-01-18 22:37:37 <ArtForz> about 280 or so stock
1749 2011-01-18 22:37:53 <ArtForz> about 300 @ 840
1750 2011-01-18 22:38:18 <MasterChief> radeon 6970
1751 2011-01-18 22:38:21 <MasterChief> ?
1752 2011-01-18 22:38:26 <ArtForz> 6970?
1753 2011-01-18 22:38:34 <MasterChief> yeah anyone tried it
1754 2011-01-18 22:38:37 <ArtForz> yes
1755 2011-01-18 22:38:47 <MasterChief> and
1756 2011-01-18 22:38:51 <ArtForz> about as fast as a 5870, uses about 10W more
1757 2011-01-18 22:39:08 <MasterChief> why isnt it faster
1758 2011-01-18 22:39:40 <ArtForz> why would it be?
1759 2011-01-18 22:39:40 <nanotube> because apparently ati is not thinking about bitcoin mining in designing its gpus :) it does more flops, but not really much more iops.
1760 2011-01-18 22:39:51 <ArtForz> errr.. not even more flops
1761 2011-01-18 22:40:03 <MasterChief> cos its the next gen of radeon?
1762 2011-01-18 22:40:03 <ArtForz> it's slightly faster for double precision, but thats about it
1763 2011-01-18 22:40:10 <ArtForz> it *isnt*
1764 2011-01-18 22:40:19 <MasterChief> oh what is it then
1765 2011-01-18 22:40:34 <ArtForz> 6xxx is what ATI had to pull out of their a... hat when 32nm was canceled
1766 2011-01-18 22:40:53 * donpdonp laughs
1767 2011-01-18 22:40:56 <xelister> ArtForz: make startup and compete with ati lol
1768 2011-01-18 22:41:10 <ArtForz> 6970 is what would've been the "true 6xxx series" upper midrange card
1769 2011-01-18 22:41:18 <xelister> Satoshi should knew few ninjas to steal blueprints for 5xxx to base on them
1770 2011-01-18 22:41:48 <ArtForz> the high-end 32nm chip would've ended up ginormous at 40nm
1771 2011-01-18 22:42:17 <EvanR-work> ArtForz: what boards?
1772 2011-01-18 22:42:25 <ArtForz> ?
1773 2011-01-18 22:42:34 <EvanR-work> to support the 5970s
1774 2011-01-18 22:42:52 <ArtForz> *confused look* what?
1775 2011-01-18 22:42:54 <ArtForz> what boards what?
1776 2011-01-18 22:43:03 <EvanR-work> which boards do you use to support all your cards
1777 2011-01-18 22:43:22 <ArtForz> MSI 790FX-GD70
1778 2011-01-18 22:43:49 <ArtForz> and... particle board *tish*
1779 2011-01-18 22:44:28 <ArtForz> http://bayimg.com/KAAeaaAdp
1780 2011-01-18 22:44:41 <ArtForz> see? the top cards *are* supported by particle board :P
1781 2011-01-18 22:45:20 <EvanR-work> oh lol
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1783 2011-01-18 22:45:28 <EvanR-work> how are the top two connected?
1784 2011-01-18 22:45:36 <MasterChief> so 6970 = crap
1785 2011-01-18 22:45:41 <ArtForz> flexible PCIe risers
1786 2011-01-18 22:46:07 <EvanR-work> that works?
1787 2011-01-18 22:46:11 <ArtForz> yep
1788 2011-01-18 22:46:18 <EvanR-work> how far can it go before dont work anymore
1789 2011-01-18 22:46:43 <ArtForz> about 6" I'd say
1790 2011-01-18 22:46:55 <ArtForz> with simply passive cables
1791 2011-01-18 22:46:59 <MasterChief> is that your bitcoin machine?
1792 2011-01-18 22:47:04 <ArtForz> one of em
1793 2011-01-18 22:47:04 <MasterChief> just 4 cards?
1794 2011-01-18 22:47:16 <MasterChief> how many u got
1795 2011-01-18 22:47:17 <EvanR-work> how many total
1796 2011-01-18 22:47:18 <ArtForz> thats my main stack: http://bayimg.com/eABDfaAdd
1797 2011-01-18 22:47:41 <ArtForz> 24 5970, 5 5770, 1 6870, 1 6970
1798 2011-01-18 22:47:56 <sipa> if you have a x16 slot, could you split it into 4* x4 slots that are x16 mechanically?
1799 2011-01-18 22:47:56 <MasterChief> dude wtf?
1800 2011-01-18 22:48:03 <andrew12^droid> Jesus fuck
1801 2011-01-18 22:48:03 <ArtForz> nope
1802 2011-01-18 22:48:14 <MasterChief> why you doing this for bitcoin
1803 2011-01-18 22:48:28 <ArtForz> profit!
1804 2011-01-18 22:48:38 <EvanR-work> is only one PS on at a time?
1805 2011-01-18 22:48:39 <andrew12^droid> MasterChief he's helping support the network. Also profit
1806 2011-01-18 22:48:48 <ArtForz> nope
1807 2011-01-18 22:48:50 <MasterChief> are you really cashing in your btc tho or just hoarding them
1808 2011-01-18 22:49:03 <andrew12^droid> Haha
1809 2011-01-18 22:49:05 <ArtForz> mostly cashing in, I only keep ~15%
1810 2011-01-18 22:49:18 <MasterChief> how much have you made
1811 2011-01-18 22:49:44 <ArtForz> bitcoins?
1812 2011-01-18 22:50:01 <ArtForz> about 270k
1813 2011-01-18 22:50:10 <MasterChief> usd
1814 2011-01-18 22:50:14 <MasterChief> or whatever
1815 2011-01-18 22:50:18 <MasterChief> mabye eur lol
1816 2011-01-18 22:50:28 <ArtForz> about 23kEUR
1817 2011-01-18 22:50:40 <andrew12^droid> ;;google calc 270000 * 0.31
1818 2011-01-18 22:50:41 <gribble> 270,000 * 0.31 = 83,700
1819 2011-01-18 22:50:59 <MasterChief> youve cashed 23k or you have 23k of coins?
1820 2011-01-18 22:51:07 <andrew12^droid> How much did your setup cost total?
1821 2011-01-18 22:51:07 <ArtForz> cashed 23k
1822 2011-01-18 22:51:15 <ArtForz> 16k
1823 2011-01-18 22:51:25 <andrew12^droid> Nice
1824 2011-01-18 22:51:34 <MasterChief> jesus fuck he really can buy cards ith the profit and still be well in profit
1825 2011-01-18 22:51:51 <sipa> s/can/could/
1826 2011-01-18 22:52:01 <newsham> plus the incidental heating he gets for free during winter
1827 2011-01-18 22:52:09 <andrew12^droid> Haha
1828 2011-01-18 22:52:21 <andrew12^droid> Except that you don't want them to melt :P
1829 2011-01-18 22:52:24 <MasterChief> are you dumping the cards one you get the asics
1830 2011-01-18 22:52:29 <ArtForz> probably yeah
1831 2011-01-18 22:52:47 <MasterChief> equivilent hash power in asics?
1832 2011-01-18 22:52:57 <MasterChief> just for like 90% less leccy?
1833 2011-01-18 22:53:03 <ArtForz> pretty much
1834 2011-01-18 22:53:11 MT`AwAy is now known as zz_MT`AwAy
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1838 2011-01-18 22:53:33 <andrew12^droid> The only problem with mining like that is that you'd have to have a starting seed
1839 2011-01-18 22:53:39 <ArtForz> I'll prolly ebay most of the GPUs and PSUs, keep a few of the mainboards
1840 2011-01-18 22:53:41 <MasterChief> so your the reason i cant make bitcoins :(
1841 2011-01-18 22:53:54 <andrew12^droid> you're*
1842 2011-01-18 22:54:04 <MasterChief> dont grammar nazi dude
1843 2011-01-18 22:54:09 <newsham> there would be others
1844 2011-01-18 22:54:31 <MasterChief> yeah i know there are others
1845 2011-01-18 22:54:40 <ArtForz> boo fucking hoo, invest $50k and build your own ASIC farm
1846 2011-01-18 22:54:47 <newsham> srsly
1847 2011-01-18 22:54:56 <MasterChief> NOPE
1848 2011-01-18 22:55:12 <EvanR-work> ArtForz: whats the wattage on those asics?
1849 2011-01-18 22:55:17 <MasterChief> i could muster mabye 7mhash in this house
1850 2011-01-18 22:55:20 <EvanR-work> and hash rate
1851 2011-01-18 22:55:29 <ArtForz> ~12W for 200MHps
1852 2011-01-18 22:55:36 <ArtForz> including VRM and PSU losses
1853 2011-01-18 22:55:44 <lfm> i figure we could just convinve satoshi to change the hashing algo and thise asics would be junk
1854 2011-01-18 22:55:53 <ArtForz> chip alone is a tad <10W
1855 2011-01-18 22:56:33 <MasterChief> yeah its like
1856 2011-01-18 22:56:47 <MasterChief> one fucking hell of an investment for a experimental project
1857 2011-01-18 22:56:53 <newsham> yah, lets break compatibility with a large existing userbase for the sole purpose of pissing off a large contributor to the hash chain
1858 2011-01-18 22:56:59 <newsham> excellent idea
1859 2011-01-18 22:57:07 <lfm> hehe
1860 2011-01-18 22:57:33 <ArtForz> shrug, from my POV it's not crazier than gambling with penny stocks
1861 2011-01-18 22:57:55 zz_MT`AwAy is now known as MT`AwAy
1862 2011-01-18 22:58:13 <lfm> or any stocks
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1864 2011-01-18 22:58:55 <bitanarchy> Artforz: are you still 25% of the network power right now? Or are you losing ground?
1865 2011-01-18 22:59:00 <ArtForz> a bit less
1866 2011-01-18 22:59:14 <ArtForz> quite a bit less
1867 2011-01-18 22:59:27 <ArtForz> more like 10%
1868 2011-01-18 22:59:33 <bitanarchy> How many nodes would make up 50% of the network hash rate?
1869 2011-01-18 22:59:58 <jgarzik> bitanarchy: invalid question
1870 2011-01-18 23:00:03 <lfm> a few hundred 5970
1871 2011-01-18 23:00:07 <jgarzik> bitanarchy: hash rate is unrelated to node count
1872 2011-01-18 23:00:19 <ArtForz> newtork seems to be doing ~170Ghps now
1873 2011-01-18 23:00:24 <bitanarchy> The more nodes the better.... in case of a government crackdown on bitcoin power :-)
1874 2011-01-18 23:01:40 <ArtForz> yep
1875 2011-01-18 23:01:57 <MasterChief> whats your opinion on bitcoin doing a useless problem just to ensure the security
1876 2011-01-18 23:02:19 <MasterChief> wouldent it be better if it used folding@home work units as the 'blocks'
1877 2011-01-18 23:02:23 <MasterChief> or somthing
1878 2011-01-18 23:02:23 <ArtForz> it needs to hard to calculate, easy to verify, small
1879 2011-01-18 23:02:31 <MasterChief> yeah
1880 2011-01-18 23:02:40 <ArtForz> last time I checked, F@H workunits were pretty much none of those
1881 2011-01-18 23:02:56 <MasterChief> but there must be a way of using that much power for somthing useful + the security
1882 2011-01-18 23:03:26 <ArtForz> and theres the problem of NO CENTRAL AUTHORITY
1883 2011-01-18 23:03:39 <ArtForz> you can't have central servers handing out workunits
1884 2011-01-18 23:03:55 * Sthebig activates stealth mode on niekie
1885 2011-01-18 23:03:58 <ArtForz> or you might as well just forget the whole p2p thing and have a central "keeper of the timestamp" server
1886 2011-01-18 23:04:18 * nathan7 grins
1887 2011-01-18 23:04:19 <MasterChief> well yeah it would have to be some sort of framework to change it around if need be
1888 2011-01-18 23:04:25 <ArtForz> shut it down and hey, there goes the currency. whoops.
1889 2011-01-18 23:04:35 <nanotube> nathan7: ops plz ;)
1890 2011-01-18 23:04:54 * niekie bribes nathan7 also :)
1891 2011-01-18 23:04:58 <niekie> Heh.
1892 2011-01-18 23:05:11 <MasterChief> just somthing bothers me about having tha much power and kilowatts going to solving pointless hashes
1893 2011-01-18 23:05:15 * nathan7 widens grin
1894 2011-01-18 23:05:17 <MasterChief> even if i know if for the security
1895 2011-01-18 23:05:25 <bitanarchy> Is mtgox affiliated with liberty reserve.... both seem to be located in costa rica?
1896 2011-01-18 23:05:29 <ArtForz> pfff... it's really not that much power
1897 2011-01-18 23:05:35 <lfm> not pointless, keeps bitcoin running
1898 2011-01-18 23:05:53 <niekie> nathan7: I'm not getting ops? :(
1899 2011-01-18 23:05:55 <MasterChief> its quite alot of power
1900 2011-01-18 23:05:59 <ArtForz> total network is about 85kW of GPUs
1901 2011-01-18 23:06:00 <niekie> :P
1902 2011-01-18 23:06:07 <ArtForz> thats not a lot by ANY standard
1903 2011-01-18 23:06:11 <MasterChief> and imagining bitcoin gets huge
1904 2011-01-18 23:06:19 <nathan7> niekie: hrm
1905 2011-01-18 23:06:30 <MasterChief> imagine the world runs on btc..........
1906 2011-01-18 23:06:36 <nathan7> now you owe me a bag of liquorice
1907 2011-01-18 23:06:38 <ArtForz> so... why would people be mining at a loss?
1908 2011-01-18 23:07:09 <ArtForz> to keep mining economical, total power use converted to $ or whatever per block has to be less than the worth of the generation/fees in that block
1909 2011-01-18 23:07:34 <nathan7> Everyone here lives in his mom's basement anyway, we don't pay for the power
1910 2011-01-18 23:07:35 <MasterChief> hmm
1911 2011-01-18 23:07:41 <ArtForz> which is why increasing efficiency is so important
1912 2011-01-18 23:07:53 <ArtForz> it makes it *harder* to attack bitcoin
1913 2011-01-18 23:08:14 <MasterChief> you wont be saving power with your asics tho will you?
1914 2011-01-18 23:08:24 <ArtForz> compared to what?
1915 2011-01-18 23:08:35 <MasterChief> youll be using the same KW and doing many more ghashes
1916 2011-01-18 23:08:38 <MasterChief> the radeons
1917 2011-01-18 23:08:38 <ArtForz> nope
1918 2011-01-18 23:08:50 <EvanR-work> MasterChief: 16 Mh/W vs 1
1919 2011-01-18 23:08:52 <ArtForz> nope
1920 2011-01-18 23:09:00 <ArtForz> I'll be using about 1/7 the power and doing about 2x the hashes
1921 2011-01-18 23:09:08 <ArtForz> give or take
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1923 2011-01-18 23:09:35 <ArtForz> welll, at least with my 2nd batch
1924 2011-01-18 23:09:41 <MasterChief> ....why not just use equal power and do more hashes?
1925 2011-01-18 23:09:46 <MasterChief> or even more
1926 2011-01-18 23:09:49 <ArtForz> because ach chip costs $200
1927 2011-01-18 23:09:51 <ArtForz> *each
1928 2011-01-18 23:10:01 <MasterChief> but your profting thousands?
1929 2011-01-18 23:10:05 <ArtForz> ?
1930 2011-01-18 23:10:30 <ArtForz> to get the same power usage as my stack of GPUs, I'd need about 750 of em
1931 2011-01-18 23:10:36 <lfm> mastercheif ask how many chips in a batch
1932 2011-01-18 23:10:41 <ArtForz> thats... about $150k
1933 2011-01-18 23:11:06 <ArtForz> +30k setup costs, but I already paid that
1934 2011-01-18 23:11:15 <MasterChief> couldent you make that amount of profit from bitcoin?
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1936 2011-01-18 23:11:19 <ArtForz> nope
1937 2011-01-18 23:11:35 <MasterChief> wy not
1938 2011-01-18 23:11:42 <ArtForz> it'd be about as fast as the current total network
1939 2011-01-18 23:11:47 <lfm> max 50btc / 10 min
1940 2011-01-18 23:11:48 <ArtForz> so... 3600 btc/day
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1942 2011-01-18 23:12:20 <MasterChief> youd be in total controll of the btc supply?
1943 2011-01-18 23:12:25 <ArtForz> that too
1944 2011-01-18 23:12:48 <MasterChief> so value should skyrocket?
1945 2011-01-18 23:12:52 <ArtForz> ?
1946 2011-01-18 23:12:54 <ArtForz> which is why I'm not doing it, it's idiotic
1947 2011-01-18 23:13:07 <ArtForz> if any miner creates a monopoly, that
1948 2011-01-18 23:13:17 <ArtForz> reduces the value of bitcoin as a safe medium of exhange
1949 2011-01-18 23:13:24 <MasterChief> yes
1950 2011-01-18 23:13:28 <ArtForz> because said miner can block transactions at will
1951 2011-01-18 23:13:31 <MasterChief> like the federal reserve now
1952 2011-01-18 23:13:35 <MasterChief> etc
1953 2011-01-18 23:13:36 <ArtForz> not quite
1954 2011-01-18 23:13:46 <ArtForz> miners can't exactly decide to just print more money
1955 2011-01-18 23:13:48 <Kiba> hello
1956 2011-01-18 23:13:49 <MasterChief> well you know what i mean
1957 2011-01-18 23:14:02 <MasterChief> but someone else could build an asic farm and challenge you
1958 2011-01-18 23:14:02 <ArtForz> so it'd be idiotic do to that
1959 2011-01-18 23:14:06 <ArtForz> yep
1960 2011-01-18 23:14:21 <ArtForz> and then the race is on again
1961 2011-01-18 23:14:22 <bitanarchy> Artforz: Are you not afraid that gov will knock on your door with accusations of helping with money laundering?
1962 2011-01-18 23:14:36 <MasterChief> apparantly thats the endgame for bitcoin, world govts building farms and challenging each other
1963 2011-01-18 23:14:46 <ArtForz> *checks* nope, still not providing exchange services
1964 2011-01-18 23:16:22 <MasterChief> im still trying to work the whole thing out tbh
1965 2011-01-18 23:16:57 <MasterChief> youve got 4 boxes made out of shitty chipboard sitting there making you 4 figures by doing pointless hash operations all day
1966 2011-01-18 23:17:17 <bitanarchy> Is mtgox affiliated with liberty reserve.... both seem to be located in costa rica?
1967 2011-01-18 23:17:26 <ArtForz> not pointless
1968 2011-01-18 23:17:27 <lfm> told you, not pointless, point is to make bitcoin work
1969 2011-01-18 23:17:42 <MasterChief> the math problems are pointless
1970 2011-01-18 23:17:51 <lfm> math is pointless then
1971 2011-01-18 23:17:58 <ArtForz> no, the point is that they're hard to solve but easy to check
1972 2011-01-18 23:18:01 <MasterChief> the use of the results are not
1973 2011-01-18 23:18:09 <ArtForz> yep
1974 2011-01-18 23:18:15 <lfm> results make bitcoin work, not pointless
1975 2011-01-18 23:18:19 <MasterChief> you know what i mean
1976 2011-01-18 23:18:19 <ArtForz> exactly
1977 2011-01-18 23:18:37 <lfm> i know what you think you mean
1978 2011-01-18 23:18:55 <EvanR-work> whats viability of dedicating a super computer to mining
1979 2011-01-18 23:19:01 <ArtForz> pointless
1980 2011-01-18 23:19:22 * Kiba made the radical deicison to expenses with the textbook
1981 2011-01-18 23:19:22 <MasterChief> but your btc are only worht what people will pay you for them
1982 2011-01-18 23:19:24 <ArtForz> you'd need something in the top20 at least to make a dent
1983 2011-01-18 23:19:44 <MasterChief> so why are people buying your btc :/
1984 2011-01-18 23:19:44 <Kiba> err
1985 2011-01-18 23:19:50 <Kiba> disperse with the math textbook
1986 2011-01-18 23:19:53 <lfm> evanr ati 5970 isnt used for most supers, they still tend to use nvidia
1987 2011-01-18 23:19:58 <Kiba> math textbook are unnecesary expense
1988 2011-01-18 23:20:04 <EvanR-work> ArtForz: a dent?
1989 2011-01-18 23:20:11 <ArtForz> and then they tend to have one tesla per fuckton of CPUs
1990 2011-01-18 23:20:13 <ArtForz> yes, a dent
1991 2011-01-18 23:20:35 <EvanR-work> 186000 cores each doing 1 M hash would be 186G wouldnt it
1992 2011-01-18 23:20:44 <bitanarchy> When bitcoin's values stops increasing then bitcoin will stop attracting hashing power and some equilibrium will come to be...
1993 2011-01-18 23:20:53 <ArtForz> yeah
1994 2011-01-18 23:21:01 <ArtForz> and we're doing >170
1995 2011-01-18 23:21:08 <lfm> eveanr now look up power consuption
1996 2011-01-18 23:21:10 <EvanR-work> so that would be half the network
1997 2011-01-18 23:21:16 <EvanR-work> yes, power would be bad
1998 2011-01-18 23:21:27 <EvanR-work> but would you make a lot of coins before the difficulty went up
1999 2011-01-18 23:21:37 <EvanR-work> lfm: 4040kW
2000 2011-01-18 23:21:49 <ArtForz> by my estimate, we have a bit >1Exaintops
2001 2011-01-18 23:22:00 <ArtForz> err... peta
2002 2011-01-18 23:22:11 <ArtForz> so... about #10
2003 2011-01-18 23:22:52 <ArtForz> so yeah, world's biggest known super is about 5x as fast as our current network
2004 2011-01-18 23:23:08 <ArtForz> ... and using about 47x the power
2005 2011-01-18 23:23:18 <EvanR-work> so not really pointless ;)
2006 2011-01-18 23:23:49 <ArtForz> that's the. worlds. biggest. known. super.
2007 2011-01-18 23:24:09 <lfm> evanr itd be more effective to use the money spent on power and buy btc
2008 2011-01-18 23:24:17 <ArtForz> we're running maybe $150k of GPUs
2009 2011-01-18 23:24:48 <ArtForz> and you need a multi-M$ super to *come close*
2010 2011-01-18 23:25:08 <MasterChief> theres a slight difference
2011 2011-01-18 23:25:15 <bitanarchy> Artforz: who is the second strongest hashing cluster in the network, after you?
2012 2011-01-18 23:25:26 <MasterChief> cannot directly compare distrivuted computing with a mainfrae
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2014 2011-01-18 23:26:12 <lfm> bitanarchy I don't think anyone knows for sure, most nodes are quite annonymous unlike Art
2015 2011-01-18 23:27:10 <EvanR-work> ArtForz is biggest?
2016 2011-01-18 23:27:17 <lfm> we think so
2017 2011-01-18 23:28:24 <ArtForz> probably not
2018 2011-01-18 23:28:46 <ArtForz> judging by the recent fast growth, I'm pretty sure we have a botnet or 2 online
2019 2011-01-18 23:28:48 <lfm> orly?
2020 2011-01-18 23:28:54 <EvanR-work> lol
2021 2011-01-18 23:28:57 <bitanarchy> lfm: Receiving BTC is the only way to verify that bitcoin must really we working as it is supposed to be.... But this test becomes increasingly difficult for non-professionals. So they just have to believe the white papers...
2022 2011-01-18 23:29:15 <ArtForz> look at the # of active nodes
2023 2011-01-18 23:29:28 <lfm> bitanarchy I spoze you could use pools
2024 2011-01-18 23:29:50 <ArtForz> unless we just became 5x more popular, we have at least one botnet
2025 2011-01-18 23:30:04 <MasterChief> where is # active nodes?
2026 2011-01-18 23:30:15 <ArtForz> client keeps track of it
2027 2011-01-18 23:30:33 <ArtForz> pretty simple to extract it from addr.dat
2028 2011-01-18 23:30:52 <bitanarchy> ArtForz: You mean that a botnet just increased hashing power by a factor 5?
2029 2011-01-18 23:30:57 <ArtForz> no, # of nodes
2030 2011-01-18 23:30:59 <lfm> nope
2031 2011-01-18 23:31:03 <MasterChief> how many nodes now?
2032 2011-01-18 23:31:10 <andrew12> wow
2033 2011-01-18 23:31:21 <lfm> bitanarchy most nodes will be dumb pcs
2034 2011-01-18 23:31:24 <ArtForz> hashing power only increased by a 20Gh/s or so
2035 2011-01-18 23:31:27 <andrew12> why does mtgox need you to have at least 1 btc when adding bitcoins?
2036 2011-01-18 23:31:46 <ArtForz> maybe even less, hard to tell as people are also brigning 5970 clusters online
2037 2011-01-18 23:32:18 <bitanarchy> A botnet already... how long before a wallet stealing virus will pop up..
2038 2011-01-18 23:32:38 <ArtForz> a while prolly
2039 2011-01-18 23:32:51 <nathan7> Hey, it means we're doing
2040 2011-01-18 23:32:56 <nathan7> well*
2041 2011-01-18 23:33:20 <andrew12> that's arguable
2042 2011-01-18 23:33:27 <lfm> ya great to be target of scum around the world
2043 2011-01-18 23:33:43 <ArtForz> we probably wont ever see a wallet-stealing virus
2044 2011-01-18 23:33:46 <ArtForz> doesnt make sense
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2046 2011-01-18 23:34:23 <MasterChief> why not
2047 2011-01-18 23:34:25 <ArtForz> every half-decent botnet has "find files like X and send em to C&C server"
2048 2011-01-18 23:34:25 <EvanR-work> why
2049 2011-01-18 23:34:46 <Vaerros> command and conquer?
2050 2011-01-18 23:34:51 <ArtForz> Command&Control
2051 2011-01-18 23:34:53 <ArtForz> nobody writes a CC# stealing virus either
2052 2011-01-18 23:35:22 <ArtForz> you just send a script to your zombies
2053 2011-01-18 23:35:30 <andrew12> anyone in here that can trade PPUSD for MTGUSD?
2054 2011-01-18 23:36:20 <andrew12> (i don't mean is there anyone that knows someone that can, i mean can YOU ;)  )
2055 2011-01-18 23:37:05 <ArtForz> I know someone who knows someone who can't, does that count? *ducks*
2056 2011-01-18 23:37:25 <andrew12> but of course! :p
2057 2011-01-18 23:37:55 <bitanarchy> Well, soon there will be a good test to know if your computer is infected with a trojan. Just put a wallet on it and see if the btc's get stolen.
2058 2011-01-18 23:38:13 <andrew12> heh
2059 2011-01-18 23:38:34 <andrew12> have a site where you upload your wallet to check if it's stolen... but the site really steals all the btc out of said wallet
2060 2011-01-18 23:38:57 <ArtForz> "is my wallet stolen" "yep, now it is."
2061 2011-01-18 23:39:16 <andrew12> =p
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2063 2011-01-18 23:41:10 <EvanR-work> whats sad is that would completely work
2064 2011-01-18 23:41:31 <andrew12> kinda sad that i've gotta withdraw 9.94 from mtgox just to send 0.45 to it
2065 2011-01-18 23:41:34 <andrew12> btc, that is
2066 2011-01-18 23:42:18 <andrew12> now all I need is a block
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2068 2011-01-18 23:48:09 <andrew12> ArtForz: generate faster D:
2069 2011-01-18 23:48:19 <andrew12> :p
2070 2011-01-18 23:49:54 <nanotube> <andrew12> have a site where you upload your wallet to check if it's stolen... but the site really steals all the btc out of said wallet <-- haha /me goes to set up checkmywallet.com
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2072 2011-01-18 23:52:42 <ArtForz> "coinchecker, just send your coins to XYZ and I'll tell you if they've ever been used for illegal purposes"
2073 2011-01-18 23:53:50 <ArtForz> "yep, these have been used to defraud some idiot about 2 secnds ago"
2074 2011-01-18 23:54:40 <nanotube> haha
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