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2 2011-01-19 00:04:52 <tcatm> andrew12: btw, any progress on the RPC stuff?
3 2011-01-19 00:05:42 <andrew12> haven't had time to work on it, though i probably could now
4 2011-01-19 00:06:42 <ArtForz> what was it again? work is failing at effective procrastination?
5 2011-01-19 00:06:55 <andrew12> wow, no blocks for half an hour?
6 2011-01-19 00:07:12 <tcatm> half an hour is not long..
7 2011-01-19 00:07:19 <andrew12> you're probably right
8 2011-01-19 00:07:20 <andrew12> lol
9 2011-01-19 00:07:22 <ArtForz> yeah... pretty normal
10 2011-01-19 00:07:22 <tcatm> we've already had two hours or more
11 2011-01-19 00:07:33 <ArtForz> yup
12 2011-01-19 00:07:44 <tcatm> (and blocks spaced few minutes)
13 2011-01-19 00:07:57 <ArtForz> and 3 blocks in 10 seconds
14 2011-01-19 00:08:08 <andrew12> what's the shortest time--nevermind
15 2011-01-19 00:08:20 <ArtForz> -200 sec or so iirc
16 2011-01-19 00:08:27 <andrew12> ArtForz: were they all valid?
17 2011-01-19 00:08:32 <ArtForz> yep
18 2011-01-19 00:08:41 <andrew12> separate miners?
19 2011-01-19 00:08:51 <ArtForz> how would I know?
20 2011-01-19 00:08:52 <andrew12> lol
21 2011-01-19 00:08:56 <andrew12> good point
22 2011-01-19 00:09:22 <midnightmagic> I've mined two blocks within 16 seconds of one another.
23 2011-01-19 00:09:41 <andrew12> I've mined zero blocks within 0 seconds of each other
24 2011-01-19 00:09:49 <midnightmagic> aaargh infinity!
25 2011-01-19 00:09:53 * midnightmagic 's head exploded.
26 2011-01-19 00:10:02 <andrew12> hey look, i got a share
27 2011-01-19 00:11:19 <ArtForz> that's not a share, THIS is a share
28 2011-01-19 00:11:53 * Kiba ponders the next course of action
29 2011-01-19 00:11:56 * andrew12 shares his dinner
30 2011-01-19 00:12:01 <andrew12> hey look, a block!
31 2011-01-19 00:12:28 <ArtForz> hey look, a dead swallow!
32 2011-01-19 00:12:57 <Cusipzzz> african or european?
33 2011-01-19 00:13:24 <ArtForz> nah... it's *looks up* where?
34 2011-01-19 00:15:19 <midnightmagic> I... I don't know!
35 2011-01-19 00:15:35 <ArtForz> green! no, blue!
36 2011-01-19 00:16:28 <Kiba> I need to ritualize my information diet!
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39 2011-01-19 00:19:25 <midnightmagic> i used to have that entire movie memorized, including sound effects, and I had props (coconut halves)
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41 2011-01-19 00:19:38 <ArtForz> lol
42 2011-01-19 00:19:41 <midnightmagic> it's pretty boring in some places at winter time..
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49 2011-01-19 00:29:21 <altamic> midnightmagic: when it gets boring one looks at starfish fights http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R81CdkZt-ZY
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53 2011-01-19 00:33:23 <andrew12> i should do an experiment with bitcoin for my science fair project next year :p
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56 2011-01-19 00:37:00 <midnightmagic> set up a webcam into the science fair. if people want to activate the webcam and see an hour of images from the science fair, they have to send you 1BTC
57 2011-01-19 00:39:05 <andrew12> hehe
58 2011-01-19 00:39:38 <andrew12> something with bitcoin would be much cooler than what i did this year (and last year, and the year before..)
59 2011-01-19 00:40:09 <andrew12> plus it might popularize bitcoin a bit more :)
60 2011-01-19 00:41:01 <noagendamarket> you could do something with the google science fair?
61 2011-01-19 00:41:31 <noagendamarket> if youre still in school they are running one online
62 2011-01-19 00:41:49 <midnightmagic> or you could make a voluntary science fair thing, where someone at the science fair could update the image, and then you hold it in escrow until someone pays you 1BTC.
63 2011-01-19 00:42:08 <noagendamarket> http://www.google.com/events/sciencefair/
64 2011-01-19 00:42:10 <andrew12> ooh
65 2011-01-19 00:42:12 <andrew12> that just gave me an idea
66 2011-01-19 00:42:30 <jrabbit> andrew12: predicting market data with one actors info
67 2011-01-19 00:42:46 <andrew12> a site where you can upload an image for 5 btc and it will stay there until someone else uploads one
68 2011-01-19 00:42:50 <andrew12> and sends 5 btc
69 2011-01-19 00:42:55 <andrew12> or just sends 5 btc to take it down :P
70 2011-01-19 00:43:29 <andrew12> might see if i can make that later
71 2011-01-19 00:43:35 <andrew12> but i've got stuff to do :p
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73 2011-01-19 00:48:16 <andrew12> look at me still talking when there's science to do...
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79 2011-01-19 01:22:11 <andrew12> I think I might try running a miner on an Amazon EC2 cloud.. just to see how good it is
80 2011-01-19 01:22:36 <ArtForz> *yawn*
81 2011-01-19 01:22:52 <andrew12> lol
82 2011-01-19 01:23:06 <ArtForz> you're only about the 374th person to come up with that great idea
83 2011-01-19 01:23:36 <Diablo-D3> yes
84 2011-01-19 01:23:36 <Diablo-D3> and
85 2011-01-19 01:23:41 <Diablo-D3> it was always a bad idea
86 2011-01-19 01:23:47 <ArtForz> try it, it's only more expensive than buying btc by a factor of 20 or so
87 2011-01-19 01:23:48 <Diablo-D3> ec2 is the most expensive VPS on the internet
88 2011-01-19 01:23:51 <Diablo-D3> its also the most shitty
89 2011-01-19 01:24:17 <Diablo-D3> the cheapest per cpu hour is rapidxen and rackspace cloud
90 2011-01-19 01:24:25 <Diablo-D3> and thats still more expensive than the value of the btc
91 2011-01-19 01:24:40 <ArtForz> by quite a margin
92 2011-01-19 01:24:57 <andrew12> hehe
93 2011-01-19 01:25:10 <andrew12> I'd only run it for a few hours
94 2011-01-19 01:25:37 <Diablo-D3> btw 20? 20 on rapidxen
95 2011-01-19 01:25:39 <Diablo-D3> more like 50 on ec2
96 2011-01-19 01:25:47 <Diablo-D3> and dont bother with the ec2 cuda boxes either
97 2011-01-19 01:26:02 <ArtForz> well, that was back when difficulty was like 5000
98 2011-01-19 01:26:09 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: I meant now
99 2011-01-19 01:26:22 <Diablo-D3> back then it was profitable on RX and not on EC2
100 2011-01-19 01:26:31 <ArtForz> actually it wasn't on RX either
101 2011-01-19 01:26:40 <gigitrix> ec2 has a free tier now
102 2011-01-19 01:26:58 <gigitrix> 750 hours of a 'micro' instance
103 2011-01-19 01:26:59 <ArtForz> RX became unprofitable beyond difficulty 2k or so
104 2011-01-19 01:27:36 <ArtForz> thats about what? half a TI-84?
105 2011-01-19 01:27:39 <Cusipzzz> i tried the ec2 free, it's terrible
106 2011-01-19 01:27:44 <gigitrix> sure you've to be careful cause you give em credit card info, but it's going to be hard to overshoot the free quotas if all you are doing is using cpu and drabs of network
107 2011-01-19 01:28:05 <gigitrix> yeah but you can set it up and run it for a year for free
108 2011-01-19 01:28:08 <Diablo-D3> gigitrix: its not free
109 2011-01-19 01:28:12 <Diablo-D3> its free for one year for new customers
110 2011-01-19 01:28:19 <gigitrix> that's what I mean
111 2011-01-19 01:28:20 <gigitrix> t*
112 2011-01-19 01:28:26 <Diablo-D3> it takes about 2 years to generate a block.
113 2011-01-19 01:28:27 <gigitrix> for a year for free
114 2011-01-19 01:28:31 <gigitrix> pool
115 2011-01-19 01:28:33 <Cusipzzz> yes, free for new customers. I played with it for an hour and gave up
116 2011-01-19 01:28:49 <Diablo-D3> they are intentionally cpu limited
117 2011-01-19 01:28:56 <LobsterMan> new nvidia drivers were released today
118 2011-01-19 01:29:02 <gigitrix> yeah, but they burst every now and again
119 2011-01-19 01:29:18 <ArtForz> yeah, then you got micro instance all over the place
120 2011-01-19 01:29:23 <gigitrix> neway, i'm saying "free money", i'm not saying how much
121 2011-01-19 01:29:26 <gigitrix> :P
122 2011-01-19 01:30:01 <ArtForz> new nvidia drivers, now with even more stuff broken
123 2011-01-19 01:30:02 <gigitrix> might not be worth the effort for most people but i'll be doing it for the sole purpose of messing with ec2, which is something i've wanted to do for a long time
124 2011-01-19 01:30:08 <gigitrix> gives me a project...
125 2011-01-19 01:30:43 <ArtForz> just search the dev forum, people have done it half a dozen times
126 2011-01-19 01:31:29 <ArtForz> btw, have you read the rumored power usage of GTX560
127 2011-01-19 01:31:35 <ArtForz> 200 nvidia Watts
128 2011-01-19 01:31:56 <ArtForz> so... about 230W peak
129 2011-01-19 01:33:09 <ArtForz> for something meant to compete with HD68xx, thats kinda... errr... uhhh...
130 2011-01-19 01:34:24 <ArtForz> "hey, it's totally great, about as fast as a chip half the size that uses about half the power"
131 2011-01-19 01:35:17 <Diablo-D3> heh
132 2011-01-19 01:35:17 <Diablo-D3> well
133 2011-01-19 01:35:22 <Diablo-D3> now we have ati watts too
134 2011-01-19 01:35:24 <ArtForz> official realase date is jan 25th
135 2011-01-19 01:35:33 <Diablo-D3> or rather "our power throttling shit actually works" watts
136 2011-01-19 01:35:37 <ArtForz> yep
137 2011-01-19 01:35:56 <Diablo-D3> which can lead to hilarity
138 2011-01-19 01:36:02 <ArtForz> instead of "our power throttling works, kinda, if your program happens to be named furmark.exe"
139 2011-01-19 01:36:03 <Diablo-D3> since they can overshoot about 25%
140 2011-01-19 01:36:36 <ArtForz> well, iirc AMD officially says so
141 2011-01-19 01:36:49 <ArtForz> 6970 is 210W TDP, 250W peak
142 2011-01-19 01:36:53 <Diablo-D3> yeah, at least they admit it
143 2011-01-19 01:37:01 <ArtForz> and it actually makes sense
144 2011-01-19 01:37:07 <ArtForz> TDP, Thermal Design Power
145 2011-01-19 01:38:00 <ArtForz> for thermal design you're interested in max sustained thermal output
146 2011-01-19 01:38:11 <LobsterMan> nice with these new nvidia drivers, im getting a slightly higher base hash rate
147 2011-01-19 01:38:15 <ArtForz> sub-second peaks don't really figure into it
148 2011-01-19 01:38:17 <LobsterMan> like 1-2mhash more per card XD
149 2011-01-19 01:39:11 <ArtForz> for PSU sizing, you look at peak consumption
150 2011-01-19 01:40:02 <ArtForz> and look AMD says 250W... which nobody so far managed to reach without adjusting power throttling
151 2011-01-19 01:40:23 <ArtForz> looks more like it peaks ~230W at default power settings
152 2011-01-19 01:40:35 <ArtForz> guess they left themselves some headroom for chip to chip variation
153 2011-01-19 01:41:04 <ArtForz> nvidia doesn't even bother to give numbers like that
154 2011-01-19 01:41:34 <ArtForz> yeah, its.. like... about 200W or so, give or take 50%
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156 2011-01-19 01:46:29 <theymos> I find these changes to the "block chain" article on the wiki to be totally inferior to the original version. Do you guys agree? https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Block_chain&action=historysubmit&diff=2368&oldid=550
157 2011-01-19 01:46:43 <noagendamarket> hey theymos
158 2011-01-19 01:46:48 <theymos> Hi.
159 2011-01-19 01:47:19 <Kiba`> school had shorten my time to work on projects
160 2011-01-19 01:47:28 <Kiba`> and I don't have any more jobs pipelined
161 2011-01-19 01:47:50 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: I dunno, all of its bullshit anyhow
162 2011-01-19 01:47:51 <Kiba`> the price crash in bitcoin was also a bumber
163 2011-01-19 01:48:13 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: like, I dont want a quad core
164 2011-01-19 01:48:19 <Diablo-D3> I want a single core thats 4x faster
165 2011-01-19 01:48:35 <ArtForz> I want a pony
166 2011-01-19 01:48:56 <Cusipzzz> i hate anyone who had a pony...
167 2011-01-19 01:48:56 <Diablo-D3> well you'd think they'd be able to figure it out
168 2011-01-19 01:49:10 <ArtForz> they... can't
169 2011-01-19 01:49:16 <noagendamarket> Kiba its a good opportunity to buy
170 2011-01-19 01:49:19 <Diablo-D3> they "cant" in the sense they wont
171 2011-01-19 01:49:39 <Diablo-D3> it'd probably require designing the core physically 4x bigger
172 2011-01-19 01:49:44 <ArtForz> anything decently complex on current process tech simply can't go faster than ~5GHz, unless you have a bazillion pilepilne stages
173 2011-01-19 01:49:47 <Diablo-D3> so parts would be farther apart
174 2011-01-19 01:49:53 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: well even then
175 2011-01-19 01:49:55 <ArtForz> and then you get a P4 on a modern process... yay!
176 2011-01-19 01:49:56 <Diablo-D3> its already superscalar
177 2011-01-19 01:50:09 <Diablo-D3> what stops them from making it wider
178 2011-01-19 01:50:19 <ArtForz> clock. rate.
179 2011-01-19 01:50:26 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: no
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181 2011-01-19 01:50:33 <Diablo-D3> I said _wider_
182 2011-01-19 01:50:35 <ArtForz> errr... yes
183 2011-01-19 01:50:47 <ArtForz> making it wider means longer critical paths
184 2011-01-19 01:50:48 <Diablo-D3> its superscalar, add another ALU or some shit
185 2011-01-19 01:50:53 <ArtForz> which means more capactiance
186 2011-01-19 01:50:59 <ArtForz> which means lower clock rate
187 2011-01-19 01:51:00 <Diablo-D3> then fine
188 2011-01-19 01:51:02 <Diablo-D3> make it simpler
189 2011-01-19 01:51:06 <Diablo-D3> and then jack the rate up
190 2011-01-19 01:51:39 <gigitrix> need RISC processors, x86/x64 is bloated like crazy...
191 2011-01-19 01:51:43 <ArtForz> bullshit
192 2011-01-19 01:51:51 <ArtForz> x86 is a damn efficient encoding
193 2011-01-19 01:51:59 <gigitrix> but for that the world needs to change
194 2011-01-19 01:52:02 <ArtForz> RISC uses more memory bandwidth and icache size for the same work
195 2011-01-19 01:52:08 <ArtForz> not really
196 2011-01-19 01:52:14 <Diablo-D3> gigitrix: you havent seen AMD's x86 decoder
197 2011-01-19 01:52:17 <Diablo-D3> its extremely efficient
198 2011-01-19 01:52:32 <ArtForz> *points at his 10 year old SGI running debian*
199 2011-01-19 01:52:33 <Diablo-D3> it only wastes about 25% of the core's die space (which is about half the total die space)
200 2011-01-19 01:52:47 <ArtForz> actually it's a LOT less nowadays
201 2011-01-19 01:52:52 <Diablo-D3> and it has no computational overhead on x86-64
202 2011-01-19 01:52:56 <ArtForz> caches now take up about 2/3 of the die
203 2011-01-19 01:52:56 <gigitrix> "Reduced instruction set computing, or RISC (pronounced /Ërɪsk/), is a CPU design strategy based on the insight that simplified (as opposed to complex) instructions can provide higher performance if this simplicity enables much faster execution of each instruction." - I don't doubt that people have made it efficient, the fact remains that it contains some unneccessary instructions
204 2011-01-19 01:52:59 <Diablo-D3> (ia32 incurs shit ran in microcde)
205 2011-01-19 01:53:04 <gigitrix> which add complexity
206 2011-01-19 01:53:06 <Diablo-D3> gigitrix: wrong
207 2011-01-19 01:53:09 <ArtForz> not really
208 2011-01-19 01:53:11 <Diablo-D3> that does NOT explain why ARM is efficient
209 2011-01-19 01:53:16 <ArtForz> the complex crap gets split into uOps
210 2011-01-19 01:53:22 <gigitrix> i said RISC, not ARM
211 2011-01-19 01:53:34 <ArtForz> RISC is pretty much dead
212 2011-01-19 01:53:43 <Diablo-D3> ARM is the poster child of RISC designs
213 2011-01-19 01:53:45 <ArtForz> there is a reason why ARM added thumb mode
214 2011-01-19 01:54:06 <Diablo-D3> ARM is so fucking efficient because it has a very simple lock step pipeline that all instructions complete in one cycle
215 2011-01-19 01:54:21 <gigitrix> intel has a ton of money, but if over the years a different path had developed where they invested in RISC tech, we'd be far better off for power consumption/performance and cost/performance
216 2011-01-19 01:54:27 <ArtForz> nope
217 2011-01-19 01:54:29 <Diablo-D3> (this technically isnt true with some of the new op sets, but the designs are far more complex and you're paying for that)
218 2011-01-19 01:54:36 <Diablo-D3> gigitrix: wrong
219 2011-01-19 01:54:53 <Diablo-D3> Intel has repeatedly bombed their own RISC designs which they've spent hundreds of millions of dollars on
220 2011-01-19 01:54:54 <gigitrix> of course x86 is the one everything uses, the r&d all went there
221 2011-01-19 01:55:02 <Diablo-D3> they had two different, and both good, RISC designs
222 2011-01-19 01:55:03 <gigitrix> all of it
223 2011-01-19 01:55:04 <Diablo-D3> they killed them both
224 2011-01-19 01:55:09 <ArtForz> RISC *wastes* memory bandwith and Icache space compared to variable-length instruction encoding
225 2011-01-19 01:55:15 <gigitrix> i'm talking years and billions diable
226 2011-01-19 01:55:17 <Diablo-D3> and they also had an ARM license which they sold to Marvell (and now Marvell is fucking rich)
227 2011-01-19 01:55:31 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: and no, RISC doesnt outright waste memory bandwidth
228 2011-01-19 01:55:36 <ArtForz> yes, it does
229 2011-01-19 01:55:40 <Diablo-D3> not directly.
230 2011-01-19 01:55:52 <Diablo-D3> you'd need to have tightly packed code that cannot be represented by simple ops
231 2011-01-19 01:56:10 <ArtForz> let's see... x86 mov [reg1], reg2 = 3 bytes, RISC ... 12 bytes
232 2011-01-19 01:56:24 <ArtForz> hey look, only 4 times bigger
233 2011-01-19 01:56:30 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: thats apples and oranges
234 2011-01-19 01:56:33 <ArtForz> can't see how that would waste space or bandwidth
235 2011-01-19 01:56:35 <Diablo-D3> not all RISC platforms have fixed length ops
236 2011-01-19 01:56:47 <ArtForz> errr... yes, they do
237 2011-01-19 01:56:59 <ArtForz> that is part of the classic definition of a RISC CPU
238 2011-01-19 01:57:01 <Diablo-D3> ARM without thumb does, yes
239 2011-01-19 01:57:01 <Kiba`> anybody wants me to do an avatar for 50 BTC?
240 2011-01-19 01:57:15 <ArtForz> which is why all the RISC fans chastise ARM for thumb mode
241 2011-01-19 01:57:44 <ArtForz> "OMG, they add different sized encodings, heresy!"
242 2011-01-19 01:58:29 <Diablo-D3> thumb is useful for high speed computation on local data sets
243 2011-01-19 01:58:41 <gigitrix> like i say, i was on about a ~theoretical~ machine based around the RISC philosophy on an alternate timeline, rather than the processors we have now with circuitry that is powered by never accessed due to compiler design
244 2011-01-19 01:58:54 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: what they really should have bitched about is the new instruction sets that have ops that take more than one cycle
245 2011-01-19 01:59:03 <Diablo-D3> ARM centric design can't handle that efficiently
246 2011-01-19 01:59:14 <ArtForz> have you tried timing any of the "crazy" x86 instructions?
247 2011-01-19 01:59:22 <ArtForz> they're slow as molasses
248 2011-01-19 01:59:34 <Diablo-D3> x86 has instructions that take more than one cycle
249 2011-01-19 01:59:43 <ArtForz> I wouldnt be surprised if they're actually emulated in software in a few generations
250 2011-01-19 01:59:46 <ArtForz> yep
251 2011-01-19 01:59:57 <Diablo-D3> theres a slow of instructions neither intel nor amd implement natively
252 2011-01-19 02:00:01 <Diablo-D3> they're microcode
253 2011-01-19 02:00:02 <ArtForz> pretty much anything that accesses memory
254 2011-01-19 02:00:24 <ArtForz> all simple arithmetic is usually single-cycle on x86 nowadays
255 2011-01-19 02:00:35 <ArtForz> something with a load/store, 2 cycles
256 2011-01-19 02:00:47 <ArtForz> something with a load *and* a store? 3 cycles
257 2011-01-19 02:00:56 <Diablo-D3> well the real problem is
258 2011-01-19 02:01:00 <Diablo-D3> RISC is too verbose
259 2011-01-19 02:01:18 <Diablo-D3> (ironic, huh?)
260 2011-01-19 02:01:24 <Diablo-D3> modern ARM has too many instructions
261 2011-01-19 02:01:51 <Diablo-D3> look at K10 internally
262 2011-01-19 02:01:58 <Diablo-D3> the microp language has an op for every single hardware feature
263 2011-01-19 02:02:00 <Diablo-D3> no more, no less
264 2011-01-19 02:02:04 <ArtForz> yep
265 2011-01-19 02:02:08 <ArtForz> well... you only need one instruction to be turing complete :P
266 2011-01-19 02:02:18 <Diablo-D3> yes, but you need about 3 not to fuck yourself
267 2011-01-19 02:02:51 <ArtForz> HCF
268 2011-01-19 02:03:05 <Diablo-D3> the point Im making though
269 2011-01-19 02:03:24 <Diablo-D3> RISC and CISC are both turning into Java
270 2011-01-19 02:03:33 <Diablo-D3> x86 has turned into some sort of bizzaro minimalistic bytecode
271 2011-01-19 02:03:38 <ArtForz> yep
272 2011-01-19 02:03:40 <Diablo-D3> no cpu natively executes it
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274 2011-01-19 02:03:59 <ArtForz> iirc last native x86 was 486
275 2011-01-19 02:04:07 <Diablo-D3> no, pentium
276 2011-01-19 02:04:20 <Diablo-D3> pentium did mad instruction reordering to keep the second alu fed
277 2011-01-19 02:04:31 <ArtForz> weir, I couldV'e sworn original pentium already used microcode for some of the bizarro opcodes
278 2011-01-19 02:04:35 <Diablo-D3> and even 286s had microps for difficult instructions that should have never existed
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280 2011-01-19 02:05:06 <Cusipzzz> my 8086 had a TURBO setting... 4.77Mhz baby.
281 2011-01-19 02:05:06 <ArtForz> nm
282 2011-01-19 02:05:18 <Diablo-D3> Cusipzzz: that was the native speed.
283 2011-01-19 02:05:19 <ArtForz> pentium was first CPU with *updateable* microcode
284 2011-01-19 02:05:25 <gigitrix> diablo I agree: you need to store and get variables, perform arithmatic, jump about a bit and do comparisons
285 2011-01-19 02:05:26 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: yeah
286 2011-01-19 02:05:33 <Cusipzzz> Diablo-D3: orly? hmm.
287 2011-01-19 02:05:44 <gigitrix> the rest is the high level languages job :)
288 2011-01-19 02:05:48 <ArtForz> they should've named it the "SLOW" button
289 2011-01-19 02:05:51 <Diablo-D3> Cusipzzz: 8086 had a few variants, it was like 6, 4, and something else
290 2011-01-19 02:06:14 <Cusipzzz> Diablo-D3: dating myself, but memory is kinda foggy on it :)
291 2011-01-19 02:06:24 <Diablo-D3> my first box was a 8086
292 2011-01-19 02:06:56 <ArtForz> my first box was a ... hmm... can't really remember it... some kind of kit computer
293 2011-01-19 02:07:23 <Cusipzzz> i had a Franklin clone...an early hackintosh, if you will..
294 2011-01-19 02:08:01 <Cusipzzz> and then a 8086, only did 40 columns, had to use expansion card to get 80 columns
295 2011-01-19 02:08:24 <Diablo-D3> anyhow
296 2011-01-19 02:08:49 <Diablo-D3> I think the problem
297 2011-01-19 02:08:57 <ArtForz> *glances at his C64*
298 2011-01-19 02:08:59 <Diablo-D3> AMDs dont allow native k10 RISC usage
299 2011-01-19 02:09:13 <Diablo-D3> runtime compiled languages could really use that
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301 2011-01-19 02:10:20 <Diablo-D3> and probably having a thumb mode wouldnt be so bad
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304 2011-01-19 02:11:47 <Kiba`> man, I am hungry
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307 2011-01-19 02:18:16 <andrew12> foo baz bar
308 2011-01-19 02:20:25 <tcatm> next attempt at building bitcoind for android
309 2011-01-19 02:21:29 <noagendamarket> Is anyone going to setup another server for a pooled mining project?
310 2011-01-19 02:21:42 <tcatm> Do we need one?
311 2011-01-19 02:22:36 <sgornick> tcatm: what if slush's ISP loses power?
312 2011-01-19 02:23:02 <tcatm> He could switch servers again
313 2011-01-19 02:23:12 <sgornick> he has redundant?
314 2011-01-19 02:23:14 <Diablo-D3> erm
315 2011-01-19 02:23:21 <Diablo-D3> you do realize he has that on a VPS right?
316 2011-01-19 02:25:09 riush has quit (Quit: Leaving)
317 2011-01-19 02:25:09 <Kiba`> anybody want my mtgox dollars?
318 2011-01-19 02:25:10 <sgornick> Diablo-D3: Thx, no I was curious his configuration -- being that one connection represents 14 Ghash/s or thereabouts.
319 2011-01-19 02:25:35 <Diablo-D3> so?
320 2011-01-19 02:25:53 <Kiba`> time to sell my mtgox dollars!
321 2011-01-19 02:26:40 <Kiba`> I buy 10 BTC for 3.3 mtgox dollars!
322 2011-01-19 02:26:43 <Kiba`> err
323 2011-01-19 02:26:46 <Kiba`> 2.8 mtgox dollars
324 2011-01-19 02:27:32 <Kiba`> maybe not...
325 2011-01-19 02:28:10 <Kiba`> 2.28 mtgox dollars for 6.9 BTC
326 2011-01-19 02:28:35 <noagendamarket> How many mt gox dollars do you have?
327 2011-01-19 02:28:40 riush has joined
328 2011-01-19 02:28:46 <Kiba`> noagendamarket: 2.28
329 2011-01-19 02:28:58 <sgornick> Diablo-D3: Single point of failure for all that capacity. maybe it gets up to 30% of hashing strength some day, ..., maybe that is 30% that could then be used against the network not to support the network.
330 2011-01-19 02:29:16 <Diablo-D3> sgornick: erm
331 2011-01-19 02:29:30 <Diablo-D3> that just means we all startup bitcoin and mine for ourselves for awhile
332 2011-01-19 02:30:15 <Kiba`> there's only one server because of the size of bitcoin population
333 2011-01-19 02:30:26 <Kiba`> bitcoiner population
334 2011-01-19 02:30:28 <Kiba`> which is not very big
335 2011-01-19 02:30:59 <Kiba`> 2092 members is a not a very big number
336 2011-01-19 02:31:18 <noagendamarket> Thats just the visible members :)
337 2011-01-19 02:31:52 <sgornick> well, hopefully there is a way to quickly spin up somewhere else should that become necessary.
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339 2011-01-19 02:32:43 <Diablo-D3> sgornick: ....
340 2011-01-19 02:32:45 <noagendamarket> What sort of vps do you need for a pms ?
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342 2011-01-19 02:32:53 <Diablo-D3> noagendamarket: one with a pad
343 2011-01-19 02:33:02 <noagendamarket> a chocolate one ?
344 2011-01-19 02:33:03 <noagendamarket> lol
345 2011-01-19 02:33:15 <Diablo-D3> and its bpm
346 2011-01-19 02:33:18 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin pooled mining
347 2011-01-19 02:35:14 <noagendamarket> blood pressure monitor?
348 2011-01-19 02:35:21 * Kiba` searchs for work
349 2011-01-19 02:36:23 <ArtForz> beats per minute?
350 2011-01-19 02:36:47 <noagendamarket> ha
351 2011-01-19 02:37:21 <noagendamarket> what sort of load does a bpm put on a vps?
352 2011-01-19 02:38:35 <tcatm> IIRC 0.015/(Ghash/s)
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357 2011-01-19 02:50:19 <noagendamarket> I wonder if hosting a server covers the cost of the vps...
358 2011-01-19 02:50:42 <noagendamarket> what sort of block rate does slush's server get?
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360 2011-01-19 02:54:43 <mndrix> how does one find a server's balance with 0 confirmations? I tried "getbalance * 0" and "getbalance '' 0", but no luck
361 2011-01-19 02:56:44 <Cusipzzz> wait for 1 confirm =)
362 2011-01-19 02:57:22 <mndrix> i was afraid of that :-)
363 2011-01-19 02:57:44 <mndrix> i hit a race condition when transferring coins from one account to another, minconf=0 would solve it
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368 2011-01-19 03:03:55 <CyanDynamo> have you guys seen this? http://vodo.net/pioneerone
369 2011-01-19 03:05:53 <noagendamarket> yes its propaganda
370 2011-01-19 03:06:22 <CyanDynamo> lol
371 2011-01-19 03:06:27 <CyanDynamo> oh rly?
372 2011-01-19 03:06:54 <Kiba`> we need truth
373 2011-01-19 03:07:03 <Kiba`> not information suited to our world views
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375 2011-01-19 03:07:35 <Kiba`> but
376 2011-01-19 03:07:42 <Kiba`> people are not rigorious in their approach
377 2011-01-19 03:07:46 <noagendamarket> making heroes out of the DHS isnt my cup of tea
378 2011-01-19 03:07:49 <Kiba`> that probably can be said for anarchists as well
379 2011-01-19 03:07:57 <noagendamarket> that is all
380 2011-01-19 03:08:02 presence has joined
381 2011-01-19 03:08:12 <presence> I have a "history" question
382 2011-01-19 03:08:19 <noagendamarket> its apersonalm viewpoint
383 2011-01-19 03:08:35 <Kiba`> presence: does it pertain to your history class?
384 2011-01-19 03:08:41 <presence> I recently had a bitcoin payment that shows that "2 nodes" have unconfirmed
385 2011-01-19 03:08:53 <presence> first time I have seen anything other than confirmed
386 2011-01-19 03:09:04 <Kiba`> 2 nodes confirmed?
387 2011-01-19 03:09:09 <Kiba`> unconfirmed?
388 2011-01-19 03:09:13 <presence> 2/uncomfirmed
389 2011-01-19 03:09:16 <Kiba`> oh
390 2011-01-19 03:09:17 <presence> 2/unconfirmed
391 2011-01-19 03:09:28 <Kiba`> it's a payment that is yet unconfirmed?
392 2011-01-19 03:09:44 <presence> I have never seen a payment go unconfirmed before
393 2011-01-19 03:09:48 <presence> now I know how the system works
394 2011-01-19 03:10:04 <presence> what this appears to be is payment was attempted to be confirmed and 2 nodes rejected it
395 2011-01-19 03:10:22 <presence> Im concerned it might be a "double spend" even though it might not be unintentional
396 2011-01-19 03:10:23 <theymos> It hasn't been unconfirmed/rejected. Bitcoin just shows "unconfirmed" next to all transactions with fewer than 6 confirmations.
397 2011-01-19 03:10:41 <theymos> When something is really rejected, it just stays at 0 confirmations forever.
398 2011-01-19 03:10:46 <presence> ah, so over time I should get more confirmed
399 2011-01-19 03:11:04 <andrew12> yes
400 2011-01-19 03:11:06 <presence> so the 2 isnt a rejection, its 2 confirmed, but not enough confirmations to make it ensure that history is good
401 2011-01-19 03:11:07 <dooglus> presence: about once every 10 minutes you get an extra confirmation, as another block is generated
402 2011-01-19 03:11:25 <[Noodles]> and 2 is not a number of nodes, but blocks in chain after your transaction
403 2011-01-19 03:11:50 <presence> ok, so thats 2 nodes that signed my transaction (or the transaction to me)
404 2011-01-19 03:11:58 <presence> thats what I meant
405 2011-01-19 03:12:06 <presence> if it was considered invalid they would not sign
406 2011-01-19 03:12:09 <[Noodles]> no, it's 2 blocks including your transaction
407 2011-01-19 03:12:19 <[Noodles]> has nothing todo with number of nodes
408 2011-01-19 03:12:43 <presence> I understand. Im reasonably new.
409 2011-01-19 03:12:56 <presence> Im still working with the syntax and naming.
410 2011-01-19 03:13:21 <presence> I just read the pdf for the design yesterday for the first time
411 2011-01-19 03:15:20 <Kiba`> bitcoin is still unpopular
412 2011-01-19 03:15:25 <Kiba`> but we welcome you with open arms
413 2011-01-19 03:15:29 <presence> as compared?
414 2011-01-19 03:15:44 <presence> for digital fiat money, I think its a forerunner, is it not?
415 2011-01-19 03:16:45 <Kiba`> fiat?
416 2011-01-19 03:16:50 <Kiba`> it's not by government decree!
417 2011-01-19 03:16:55 <presence> It has no intrinsic value
418 2011-01-19 03:17:14 <mndrix> workaround for my earlier question: `getbalance * 0` = `getbalance` + `listreceivedbyaccount 0` - `listreceivedbyaccount 1`
419 2011-01-19 03:17:30 <Kiba`> Fiat money is money that has value only because of government regulation or law.
420 2011-01-19 03:17:37 <Kiba`> that what wikipedia said
421 2011-01-19 03:17:39 Kiba` is now known as kiba
422 2011-01-19 03:17:53 <ArtForz> it's by code decree!
423 2011-01-19 03:18:15 <presence> Ok, I shouldn't have used fiat...but it has no intrinsic value on its own
424 2011-01-19 03:18:29 <ArtForz> imo nothing has intrinsic value
425 2011-01-19 03:18:44 <ArtForz> everything has value because someone else values it
426 2011-01-19 03:18:46 <kiba> ArtForz: you're confusing definition
427 2011-01-19 03:18:57 <presence> well gold can be used for stuff
428 2011-01-19 03:19:00 <kiba> intristiv value, meaning having value outside of money
429 2011-01-19 03:19:05 <Cusipzzz> oil, energy, food, has 'value'
430 2011-01-19 03:19:06 <ArtForz> so can arsenic
431 2011-01-19 03:19:06 <presence> you could make something that physically exists
432 2011-01-19 03:19:08 <Diablo-D3> *instrinic
433 2011-01-19 03:19:17 <presence> and be used as a "stepstool" in the worst case
434 2011-01-19 03:19:20 <Cusipzzz> universal value
435 2011-01-19 03:19:27 <ArtForz> yet we dont make money out of these
436 2011-01-19 03:19:37 <kiba> of course we don't
437 2011-01-19 03:19:38 <Cusipzzz> sure we do, we commoditize and securitize them
438 2011-01-19 03:19:42 <ArtForz> because something being useful doesnt mean it makes a good currency
439 2011-01-19 03:19:43 <kiba> they are not very useful as money
440 2011-01-19 03:19:45 <presence> But we could.
441 2011-01-19 03:19:46 <kiba> for food, we need to consume
442 2011-01-19 03:19:58 <kiba> food is blank! Gone!
443 2011-01-19 03:20:01 <presence> arsenic is used in alot of useful items
444 2011-01-19 03:20:45 <ArtForz> coal is pretty damn useful, yet you wouldnt want to carry half a ton of coal around for your daily shopping
445 2011-01-19 03:20:58 <presence> but it is useful on its own
446 2011-01-19 03:21:18 <presence> so if you wanted to make a currency out of it, you could
447 2011-01-19 03:21:23 <ArtForz> yeah
448 2011-01-19 03:21:26 <presence> it wouldnt be all that convenient
449 2011-01-19 03:21:32 <presence> its like salt in the old days right?
450 2011-01-19 03:21:33 <ArtForz> yep
451 2011-01-19 03:21:39 <ArtForz> yep
452 2011-01-19 03:21:48 <presence> personally, thats a pretty assinine currency, but it existed
453 2011-01-19 03:22:03 <kiba> we're worth it in salts!
454 2011-01-19 03:22:06 <ArtForz> or cou can create certificates exchangeable for a commodity
455 2011-01-19 03:22:07 <CyanDynamo> noagendamarket: no, i didn't like that either. i'm more talking about people supporting films through donations, downloading them through torrents.
456 2011-01-19 03:22:10 <Cusipzzz> tulips
457 2011-01-19 03:22:16 <presence> btc are entirely virtual, they can only be used for the specific purpose they are used for here
458 2011-01-19 03:22:21 <ArtForz> yep
459 2011-01-19 03:22:32 <ArtForz> so is classic fiat money
460 2011-01-19 03:22:39 <noagendamarket> I agree with that part Cyan
461 2011-01-19 03:22:57 <noagendamarket> however I donate to things I think are worthy
462 2011-01-19 03:22:57 <presence> well, in the case here in the US, its "Legal Tender for all debts public and private"
463 2011-01-19 03:23:08 <ArtForz> btw, bitcoin has other uses
464 2011-01-19 03:23:10 <CyanDynamo> there's actually a lot of political stuff on vodo
465 2011-01-19 03:23:17 <noagendamarket> I dont have a problem with other people donating
466 2011-01-19 03:23:17 <presence> without that, and the law behind it, it wouldnt be worth anything
467 2011-01-19 03:23:39 <kiba> do you think bitcoin could kill the dollars?
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469 2011-01-19 03:23:56 <ArtForz> nah, but the chinese sure look like they're trying to
470 2011-01-19 03:23:59 <presence> nah, if the dollar dies, it dies due to the loss of backing for "Legal Tender for all debts public and private"
471 2011-01-19 03:24:00 <ArtForz> it *is* a distributed timestamping system
472 2011-01-19 03:24:14 <ArtForz> *bitcoin is
473 2011-01-19 03:24:17 <kiba> hyperinflation
474 2011-01-19 03:24:18 <presence> art: well, the alg is...but not the bitcoin itself (at this point anyway)
475 2011-01-19 03:24:28 <ArtForz> well, the network is capable of it
476 2011-01-19 03:24:33 <presence> correct
477 2011-01-19 03:24:38 <kiba> if the US don't reform, it's dead
478 2011-01-19 03:24:40 <kiba> as money
479 2011-01-19 03:24:40 <presence> and thats awesome on its own for sure
480 2011-01-19 03:24:53 <kiba> hyperinflation can help bitcoin kill the dollars
481 2011-01-19 03:24:58 <kiba> and other currencies
482 2011-01-19 03:25:07 <ArtForz> yep
483 2011-01-19 03:25:12 <CyanDynamo> i'd like to believe hyperinflation will take down USD, but people have been saying that for a few years now
484 2011-01-19 03:25:18 <presence> Bitcoin will have to be way more accepted than it is today to challenge another currency that isnt already entirely broken
485 2011-01-19 03:25:20 <CyanDynamo> and so far, nothing like that has happened
486 2011-01-19 03:25:24 <presence> but it COULD do it
487 2011-01-19 03:25:35 <ArtForz> I see it more in a role of challenging other digital currencies
488 2011-01-19 03:25:44 <ArtForz> at least for the near future
489 2011-01-19 03:25:47 <kiba> CyanDynamo: it seem that we need to figure out the proper condition for hyperinflation
490 2011-01-19 03:25:59 <ArtForz> = webmoney, lr, c-gold, ...
491 2011-01-19 03:26:24 <kiba> printing money really fast and getting it to the hand of people can trigger hyperinflation really fast
492 2011-01-19 03:26:30 <kiba> now, it's stuck in banks
493 2011-01-19 03:27:05 <CyanDynamo> yeah, so they've effectively stalled hyperinflation, while giving themselves nice bonuses
494 2011-01-19 03:27:05 <kiba> the thing is
495 2011-01-19 03:27:10 <CyanDynamo> what a perfect system for the elite
496 2011-01-19 03:27:16 <kiba> the US economy is enormously productive and it get more each years
497 2011-01-19 03:27:17 <ArtForz> I'm actually kinda worried about the recent chinese rethoric
498 2011-01-19 03:27:38 <kiba> so it's actually hard to trigger hyperinflation
499 2011-01-19 03:28:03 <noagendamarket> The chinese recently fired a missile off the US coast...
500 2011-01-19 03:28:05 <kiba> if you have a trillion dollar economy, even 1% will be huge
501 2011-01-19 03:28:11 <noagendamarket> except it was kept quiet
502 2011-01-19 03:28:32 <kiba> The Chinese now think they're badass
503 2011-01-19 03:28:40 <ArtForz> yep
504 2011-01-19 03:28:54 <CyanDynamo> firing missiles is badass
505 2011-01-19 03:29:11 <noagendamarket> lol
506 2011-01-19 03:29:21 <ArtForz> I'm more worried about their economy than their missiles
507 2011-01-19 03:29:28 <presence> thanks for the help with the confirmations
508 2011-01-19 03:29:35 <kiba> ArtForz: a bad slump in the economy could trigger a war
509 2011-01-19 03:29:35 <noagendamarket> Has anyone seen all the empty cities that china is building?
510 2011-01-19 03:29:38 <presence> I didnt understand what the "status" field detail meant
511 2011-01-19 03:29:40 <kiba> noagendamarket: yes
512 2011-01-19 03:29:47 <ArtForz> yep
513 2011-01-19 03:29:59 <noagendamarket> maybe they are not going as well as it appears
514 2011-01-19 03:30:00 <CyanDynamo> they can build a 5 story hotel in like 2 fucking days
515 2011-01-19 03:30:32 <ArtForz> whatever the fuck they're doing, they're sure as hell doing it bigtime
516 2011-01-19 03:30:37 <kiba> noagendamarket: their sitatuion is a lot more fragile than us
517 2011-01-19 03:30:43 <kiba> than the US
518 2011-01-19 03:30:54 <ArtForz> not really
519 2011-01-19 03:30:55 <kiba> they have massive corruptions relative to the US and Europe
520 2011-01-19 03:31:05 <noagendamarket> they steal most of their tech
521 2011-01-19 03:31:15 <kiba> define "steal"
522 2011-01-19 03:31:16 <ArtForz> they also have a massive manufacturing economy
523 2011-01-19 03:31:26 <ArtForz> you mean "copy what you can, buy the rest"
524 2011-01-19 03:31:33 <noagendamarket> ya that
525 2011-01-19 03:31:34 <kiba> copying is not steal
526 2011-01-19 03:31:41 <CyanDynamo> indeed
527 2011-01-19 03:31:46 <kiba> it's copying, mkay?
528 2011-01-19 03:32:09 <noagendamarket> whatever you say...
529 2011-01-19 03:32:19 <noagendamarket> Im sure we dont understaqnd half of what goes on
530 2011-01-19 03:32:19 <presence> copying without investing is stealing
531 2011-01-19 03:32:25 <kiba> intellectual property is imaginary property
532 2011-01-19 03:32:29 <presence> but either way
533 2011-01-19 03:32:38 <presence> I do appreciate the clarification guys
534 2011-01-19 03:32:38 <kiba> noagendamarket: news in China is probably very distorted
535 2011-01-19 03:32:54 <ArtForz> probably, so is news everywhere else
536 2011-01-19 03:32:57 <kiba> well, news in the US is distorted for its viewers
537 2011-01-19 03:33:10 <kiba> propogranda for the right, the left, etc
538 2011-01-19 03:33:20 <kiba> Chinese is not very subtle
539 2011-01-19 03:33:26 <ArtForz> yep
540 2011-01-19 03:33:44 <ArtForz> in the west its more the "whatever gets the most eyes for ad $" kind of "bias"
541 2011-01-19 03:34:13 <kiba> everything, something is competing for influence
542 2011-01-19 03:34:19 <CyanDynamo> and propaganda, influence
543 2011-01-19 03:34:22 <kiba> it's just the west that have the more sophisticated version
544 2011-01-19 03:34:27 <presence> bbiab
545 2011-01-19 03:34:29 presence has left ()
546 2011-01-19 03:34:36 <CyanDynamo> there's like 5 corporations that own all the news in america
547 2011-01-19 03:34:41 <kiba> (yes, that include libertarianism)
548 2011-01-19 03:34:52 <CyanDynamo> whereas there used to be 50
549 2011-01-19 03:35:08 <ArtForz> random coincidence! move along.
550 2011-01-19 03:35:11 <ArtForz> ;)
551 2011-01-19 03:35:18 <kiba> you mean, TV news
552 2011-01-19 03:35:35 <CyanDynamo> no, print, too
553 2011-01-19 03:35:45 <ArtForz> yep
554 2011-01-19 03:35:46 <kiba> print is dying
555 2011-01-19 03:35:48 <kiba> anyway
556 2011-01-19 03:35:54 <ArtForz> bsd is dying
557 2011-01-19 03:36:06 <ArtForz> ;)
558 2011-01-19 03:36:06 <CyanDynamo> and their internet news outlets
559 2011-01-19 03:36:22 <kiba> New York Times
560 2011-01-19 03:36:31 <CyanDynamo> even if the nyt goes out of print, there will always be newyorktimes.com
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567 2011-01-19 03:51:18 <andrew12> people are funny
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569 2011-01-19 03:51:39 <andrew12> there's two people i know that i can't get to use bitcoin for two different reasons
570 2011-01-19 03:51:45 <andrew12> 1: "it's too new"
571 2011-01-19 03:52:05 <andrew12> 2: "it's too easily taken over" (they know nenolod..)
572 2011-01-19 03:52:21 <noagendamarket> woukld they refuse to drive a new car?
573 2011-01-19 03:52:27 <kiba> nenolod didn't take over anything, andrew12
574 2011-01-19 03:52:30 <andrew12> i know
575 2011-01-19 03:52:34 <andrew12> that's why it's stupid
576 2011-01-19 03:52:36 <noagendamarket> nenolod is full of shit
577 2011-01-19 03:52:42 <theymos> How is anyone even hearing about nenolod? It was news for about a week.
578 2011-01-19 03:52:57 <kiba> too "new" is a codeword for too young. Reasonable concern
579 2011-01-19 03:52:59 <noagendamarket> I say we should ddos nenolod lol
580 2011-01-19 03:53:00 <andrew12> theymos: they actually know nenolod from systeminplace
581 2011-01-19 03:53:04 <andrew12> noagendamarket: heh
582 2011-01-19 03:53:08 <kiba> too bad they will miss out on the gold rush if bitcoin proves successful
583 2011-01-19 03:53:19 <noagendamarket> take his site down...lol
584 2011-01-19 03:53:27 <ArtForz> I wonder how much more shit nenolod made up
585 2011-01-19 03:53:27 <noagendamarket> muwahahaha
586 2011-01-19 03:55:58 <kiba> skepticalism is great
587 2011-01-19 03:56:00 <ArtForz> let's see... adding (and removing !) like a 1000 nodes without anything showing up in the overall network hashrate, his claimed generation amounts making no sense, and then "accidentally" losing all generated coins
588 2011-01-19 03:56:04 <kiba> but it must be used correctly
589 2011-01-19 03:56:05 <ArtForz> ... yeah, right
590 2011-01-19 03:56:11 <kiba> or it can be a tool that is used against you
591 2011-01-19 03:56:38 <ArtForz> I mean, how much more blatant can you get
592 2011-01-19 03:56:45 <ArtForz> at least make up believeable shit
593 2011-01-19 03:56:50 <kiba> he is friend with Diablo-D3
594 2011-01-19 03:56:55 <ArtForz> so?
595 2011-01-19 03:56:58 <kiba> Diablo-D3: is your friend lying or not?
596 2011-01-19 03:58:44 <ArtForz> he may be a talented hacker, but either he's exaggerating like hell or simply making shit up to sound cool
597 2011-01-19 03:59:26 <kiba> and he didn't even attack the network
598 2011-01-19 03:59:31 <kiba> he just made it more resilent
599 2011-01-19 04:00:00 <kiba> idiots abound
600 2011-01-19 04:00:12 <ArtForz> or claimed to, his "adding of nodes" was exactly when we gained a huge # of new users from /.
601 2011-01-19 04:00:18 LobsterMan has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
602 2011-01-19 04:01:01 <ArtForz> on the day he claims he shut down all his nodes (at once!) network hashrate didn't even budge
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608 2011-01-19 04:04:27 <andrew12> how often is http://veritas.maximilianeum.ch/bitcoin/irc/logs/2011/01/19 updated?
609 2011-01-19 04:04:28 <kiba> I thought he was for real
610 2011-01-19 04:04:34 <kiba> just totally bullshit
611 2011-01-19 04:04:46 <kiba> real in generating bitcoin
612 2011-01-19 04:05:07 <ArtForz> you'll have to dig through the archives a bit, but his shit simply doesn't add up
613 2011-01-19 04:09:14 <kiba> boring
614 2011-01-19 04:09:35 <ArtForz> actually I find it quite amusing
615 2011-01-19 04:10:08 * nevezen_ doesn't know this drama..
616 2011-01-19 04:10:15 <ArtForz> no real drama
617 2011-01-19 04:10:33 <kiba> remember Macho?
618 2011-01-19 04:10:42 <ArtForz> mawho?
619 2011-01-19 04:10:43 nevezen_ is now known as nevezen
620 2011-01-19 04:11:04 <kiba> he called spectulators evil and got his ass obstracized forever...
621 2011-01-19 04:11:09 <kiba> basically he bombed his identity
622 2011-01-19 04:11:11 <ArtForz> oh, right
623 2011-01-19 04:11:15 <ArtForz> that was fun
624 2011-01-19 04:11:43 <nevezen> is this all on bitcoin's forums?
625 2011-01-19 04:11:48 <kiba> yes
626 2011-01-19 04:11:53 <ArtForz> yea, I think so
627 2011-01-19 04:12:03 <kiba> 200 posts a day is a lot of content, anyway
628 2011-01-19 04:12:14 <ArtForz> for some reason I like arguing with these people and picking their stories apart
629 2011-01-19 04:12:23 <ArtForz> actually... I reall just like arguing
630 2011-01-19 04:12:25 <ArtForz> *flashes troll badge*
631 2011-01-19 04:12:46 <kiba> all the socialists apperantly left
632 2011-01-19 04:12:48 <ArtForz> what? you think only troll police got nice shiny badges? ;)
633 2011-01-19 04:13:11 <kiba> socialists get driven out by relentless arguments
634 2011-01-19 04:13:15 <kiba> I think we got gene out too
635 2011-01-19 04:13:47 <kiba> socialists get counter-trolled
636 2011-01-19 04:13:50 <andrew12> http://pastebin.com/WtRmEYAD
637 2011-01-19 04:13:55 <andrew12> .-.
638 2011-01-19 04:14:12 <noagendamarket> yeah the socialists dont like the forum for some reason lol
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640 2011-01-19 04:14:23 <kiba> they usually have the largest thread
641 2011-01-19 04:15:16 <Diablo-D3> kiba: huh?
642 2011-01-19 04:15:20 <kiba> only socialist I know is...........
643 2011-01-19 04:15:28 <kiba> Diablo-D3: for a while, their is the largest thread
644 2011-01-19 04:15:38 <Diablo-D3> no who was lying?
645 2011-01-19 04:15:49 <andrew12> nenolod
646 2011-01-19 04:16:05 <kiba> now, the largest thread is usually about mining
647 2011-01-19 04:16:41 <ArtForz> well, his claims sounded somewhat plausible, but got kinda discredited by reality
648 2011-01-19 04:16:53 <Diablo-D3> the only thing he ended up doing was exploiting how bitcoin works
649 2011-01-19 04:17:12 <ArtForz> exploiting? how? by adding 1000 imaginary nodes?
650 2011-01-19 04:17:17 <nevezen> aside from bitcoin, I still have doubts about passing through real currency though..
651 2011-01-19 04:17:41 <andrew12> I wonder if bitcoin's ever been reddited.
652 2011-01-19 04:17:46 <ArtForz> yep
653 2011-01-19 04:17:49 <ArtForz> iirc
654 2011-01-19 04:17:54 <kiba> andrew12: it got reddit several times
655 2011-01-19 04:17:59 <kiba> hacker news several times
656 2011-01-19 04:18:00 <ArtForz> we also got /. frontpage
657 2011-01-19 04:18:03 <Diablo-D3> noagendamarket I say we should ddos nenolod lol
658 2011-01-19 04:18:03 <andrew12> how many people came here? :p
659 2011-01-19 04:18:09 <Diablo-D3> orly?
660 2011-01-19 04:18:15 <Diablo-D3> I'd like to see you try
661 2011-01-19 04:18:16 <andrew12> Diablo-D3: how 2 joke
662 2011-01-19 04:18:17 <kiba> andrew12: lot of people
663 2011-01-19 04:18:20 <noagendamarket> Diablo im firin my lazors lol
664 2011-01-19 04:18:36 <Diablo-D3> SIP is usually under some sort of ddos because of /b/tard faggots
665 2011-01-19 04:18:52 <nevezen> imho, bitcoin is somewhat run on an honor system
666 2011-01-19 04:18:53 <kiba> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?action=stats
667 2011-01-19 04:18:54 <Diablo-D3> so unless you're going to go find about 50gbps of bandwidth to dos him with, dont bother
668 2011-01-19 04:19:51 <kiba> in July, we get 370 members
669 2011-01-19 04:20:02 <kiba> but enough so to generate nearly 5000 posts
670 2011-01-19 04:20:13 <kiba> this record was broken later in 4 months
671 2011-01-19 04:20:14 <nevezen> for example, someone sends another person 500 btc in exchange for service. The recipient didn't really agree to it and now the sender is out 500 btc.
672 2011-01-19 04:20:19 <kiba> with 6411
673 2011-01-19 04:20:44 <nevezen> that guy is not going to get a "refund"
674 2011-01-19 04:20:58 <theymos> nevezen: Use an escrow.
675 2011-01-19 04:21:01 <kiba> nevezen: but the opposite is paypal
676 2011-01-19 04:21:07 <kiba> and paypal is EVIL
677 2011-01-19 04:21:22 <nevezen> paypal may be evil but it's an acceptable middleman.
678 2011-01-19 04:21:37 <nevezen> maybe not to some people, I know..
679 2011-01-19 04:21:37 <ArtForz> nope
680 2011-01-19 04:21:42 <noagendamarket> heh
681 2011-01-19 04:21:48 <[Noodles]> how do you get a "refund" using cash? suppose you don't own guns
682 2011-01-19 04:21:49 <andrew12> bitcoin is an acceptable middleman
683 2011-01-19 04:22:14 <noagendamarket> its the credit card companies thats the real issue
684 2011-01-19 04:22:20 <nevezen> right, but the recipient of said bitcoins doesn't agree to it as a viable middleman
685 2011-01-19 04:22:23 <kiba> because bitcoin only cares about getting paid
686 2011-01-19 04:22:40 <kiba> noagendamarket: weak pin number
687 2011-01-19 04:22:49 <ArtForz> actually in my book CC companies are not as big a bunch of wankers as paypal are
688 2011-01-19 04:23:04 <noagendamarket> they wank together
689 2011-01-19 04:23:23 <kiba> anybody want me to do something for them?
690 2011-01-19 04:23:25 <andrew12> ooh, got 0.14 from the pool
691 2011-01-19 04:23:29 <kiba> I can make avatar
692 2011-01-19 04:23:34 <kiba> anime style
693 2011-01-19 04:23:54 <kiba> many of you don't have avatar
694 2011-01-19 04:23:58 <ArtForz> well, at least CC companies you have decent written rules as a merchant, known periods funds are held on disputes, ...
695 2011-01-19 04:23:59 <lfm> noodles true you cant generally force a refund of cash but you are vulnerable to forgery
696 2011-01-19 04:24:21 <ArtForz> with paypal it's "hey, we just froze your account because we feel like it, go fuck yourself."
697 2011-01-19 04:24:31 <noagendamarket> heh
698 2011-01-19 04:24:47 <noagendamarket> but they have pal in their name they cant be evil....
699 2011-01-19 04:25:10 <kiba> paypal benefits from the network effect
700 2011-01-19 04:25:11 <ArtForz> *points at bonzibuddy*
701 2011-01-19 04:25:20 <nevezen> didn't you get it all back, artforz?
702 2011-01-19 04:25:39 <ArtForz> yep, after threating em with a lawsuit
703 2011-01-19 04:25:53 <nevezen> do you still use paypal though? I'm guessing not..
704 2011-01-19 04:25:56 <ArtForz> nope
705 2011-01-19 04:26:11 <ArtForz> I'm banned from paypal forever
706 2011-01-19 04:26:18 <andrew12> o_o
707 2011-01-19 04:26:25 * jgarzik wants to see more pools (no offense to slush). brings more miners, rather than a handful of mining conglomerates (no offense to mining conglomerates listening :))
708 2011-01-19 04:26:37 <kiba> rofl
709 2011-01-19 04:26:43 <kiba> jgarzik: do you have work for me?
710 2011-01-19 04:27:14 <jgarzik> kiba: yeah: finish that prediction market :)
711 2011-01-19 04:27:26 <jgarzik> kiba: and I'll get pastecoin back up
712 2011-01-19 04:27:29 <kiba> :(
713 2011-01-19 04:27:45 * kiba wasted too much time this evening
714 2011-01-19 04:28:06 <kiba> I got school tommorow...
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716 2011-01-19 04:28:27 <noagendamarket> jgarzik are you going to run one yoursefl?
717 2011-01-19 04:29:01 <andrew12> nini
718 2011-01-19 04:29:18 <jgarzik> noagendamarket: I would rather have the profit motive create more than one new pool. It is not unreasonable to kick back a couple percent to the pool owner.
719 2011-01-19 04:29:30 * jgarzik -> lazy, the best attribute of a programmer
720 2011-01-19 04:29:32 <noagendamarket> agreed
721 2011-01-19 04:29:35 <grondilu> I have 5 connections and yet one of my transactions stays in "0/unconfirmed" status. How long before the sotware resends it ?
722 2011-01-19 04:29:49 <noagendamarket> communism is fail
723 2011-01-19 04:29:52 <kiba> noagendamarket: do ya know how to code?
724 2011-01-19 04:30:12 <noagendamarket> does it require more than copy and paste?
725 2011-01-19 04:30:16 <kiba> yes
726 2011-01-19 04:30:18 <theymos> grondilu: ~30 minutes.
727 2011-01-19 04:30:23 <noagendamarket> the answer is no.
728 2011-01-19 04:30:24 <jgarzik> I wonder about the value of CPU miners to slush's pool as more GPU miners join
729 2011-01-19 04:30:29 <kiba> because your discount system is fail
730 2011-01-19 04:30:37 <grondilu> theymos: thks, I'll wait
731 2011-01-19 04:30:47 <kiba> (no offense, but it's the brutual truth)
732 2011-01-19 04:31:07 <jgarzik> beyond a certain point, it seems like CPU miners receive charity from GPU miners in the pool.
733 2011-01-19 04:31:29 <noagendamarket> why is that?
734 2011-01-19 04:31:37 <kiba> jgarzik: no, it's compensation for satisfying the GPU miners' time preference
735 2011-01-19 04:32:00 <tcatm> it's not like CPU miners will find less blocks than before...
736 2011-01-19 04:32:04 <kiba> they get compensated with minicule amount anyway
737 2011-01-19 04:32:19 <noagendamarket> have you seen what amazon pays?
738 2011-01-19 04:32:31 <kiba> noagendamarket: no
739 2011-01-19 04:32:39 <kiba> and what does amazon have to do with anything?
740 2011-01-19 04:32:49 <noagendamarket> well you cant make a claim like that without the numbers
741 2011-01-19 04:32:54 <lfm> cpu rewards depend on the bitcoin difficulty, not (directly) on gpus working along side them
742 2011-01-19 04:33:10 <kiba> noagendamarket: if you're talking about discount...contact form is very manual
743 2011-01-19 04:33:42 <kiba> you do get paid for amazon discount thingie, right?
744 2011-01-19 04:33:53 <noagendamarket> have you ever used a rebate program ?
745 2011-01-19 04:34:03 <kiba> no
746 2011-01-19 04:34:17 <noagendamarket> try getting money back from one of those and then come back and tell me if youre successful
747 2011-01-19 04:34:31 <kiba> noagendamarket: I meant automation
748 2011-01-19 04:34:33 <noagendamarket> It is practically impossilble
749 2011-01-19 04:34:54 <noagendamarket> that wont work....I have to confirm it a wekk later
750 2011-01-19 04:35:07 <kiba> one of them is bound to be reliable, noagendamarket
751 2011-01-19 04:35:16 <lfm> noagenda market I have got rebates, just seems to take forever
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753 2011-01-19 04:35:45 <noagendamarket> the reason is that you have to match purchases with the purchasers
754 2011-01-19 04:36:25 <kiba> does one of them have an API?
755 2011-01-19 04:36:54 <noagendamarket> Not for their associates they dont
756 2011-01-19 04:37:00 <kiba> if it possible, than it can be done programatically
757 2011-01-19 04:37:26 <noagendamarket> I dont find out till a week after someone has bought something
758 2011-01-19 04:37:33 <kiba> ugh
759 2011-01-19 04:37:35 <kiba> terrible
760 2011-01-19 04:37:40 <tcatm> fscking windows. Can't even handle symlinks right :/
761 2011-01-19 04:37:47 <kiba> this is not 1999!
762 2011-01-19 04:39:19 <noagendamarket> bitcoin is the best rewards program ever lol
763 2011-01-19 04:39:42 <kiba> hmm?
764 2011-01-19 04:41:36 <noagendamarket> you can pay out microrewards without it costing you to run the reward program
765 2011-01-19 04:41:58 <noagendamarket> imagine if I had to pay 3% at paypal every time
766 2011-01-19 04:42:26 <noagendamarket> thats almost the entire profit margin lol
767 2011-01-19 04:42:55 <andrew12> hehe
768 2011-01-19 04:43:19 * andrew12 sits in the corner with his .1btc/day
769 2011-01-19 04:43:44 <noagendamarket> I have an obvious domain name for a mining server
770 2011-01-19 04:44:09 <noagendamarket> I wonder why no one has used it yet lol
771 2011-01-19 04:44:53 <andrew12> "obvious domain" ?
772 2011-01-19 04:45:32 <noagendamarket> yep
773 2011-01-19 04:45:49 <CyanDynamo> bitcoinminer.com
774 2011-01-19 04:45:57 <noagendamarket> no...
775 2011-01-19 04:46:09 <noagendamarket> although thats obvious lol
776 2011-01-19 04:46:13 <andrew12> coalminesrus.com
777 2011-01-19 04:46:18 <noagendamarket> haha
778 2011-01-19 04:46:18 <andrew12> err..
779 2011-01-19 04:47:22 <CyanDynamo> miningserver.com
780 2011-01-19 04:47:39 <andrew12> google.com
781 2011-01-19 04:48:14 <noagendamarket> http://www.bitcoinminer.com/ it already exists anyway...
782 2011-01-19 04:48:38 <noagendamarket> I bet youll hit yourself in the forehead when you think of it lol
783 2011-01-19 04:49:34 <andrew12> noagendaminer?
784 2011-01-19 04:49:42 <noagendamarket> heh
785 2011-01-19 04:50:08 <noagendamarket> I dont mine so why would i want that? lol
786 2011-01-19 04:50:33 <CyanDynamo> miner.com
787 2011-01-19 04:53:25 <andrew12> ;;bc,pool
788 2011-01-19 04:53:26 <gribble> Error: "bc,pool" is not a valid command.
789 2011-01-19 04:53:32 <andrew12> hmm
790 2011-01-19 04:53:38 <andrew12> ;;list alias
791 2011-01-19 04:53:38 <gribble> ?, about, add, bc,bcm, bc,blocks, bc,btcex, bc,calc, bc,calcd, bc,diff, bc,estimate, bc,help, bc,hextarget, bc,labs, bc,lbs, bc,markets, bc,mtgox, bc,nexttarget, bc,poolstats, bc,stats, bc,timetonext, bc,totalbc, bc,wiki, blockmonitor, bot, botsnack, boturl, cheer, configure, ctell, direct, factlist, facts, getprefix, give, giveout, h, help, histsearch, hug, isitdown, lock, ls, mp, (1 more message)
792 2011-01-19 04:53:58 <andrew12> ;;bc,poolstats
793 2011-01-19 04:53:58 <gribble> {"round_probability": 28.41, "hashes_ps": 17812838781, "shares": 6163, "active_workers": 333, "round_duration": "0:24:46", "round_started": "2011-01-19 04:24:45", "getwork_ps": 112}
794 2011-01-19 04:54:47 <andrew12> 333 make a wish? :p
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796 2011-01-19 05:00:49 <andrew12> hmm, what does the pool do with tx fees it recieves?
797 2011-01-19 05:01:12 <jgarzik> presumably adds it to the total, before payout
798 2011-01-19 05:01:22 <andrew12> cool
799 2011-01-19 05:02:57 satamusic_ has joined
800 2011-01-19 05:07:49 <andrew12> Satoshi Nakamoto's done a good job of remaining anonymous
801 2011-01-19 05:08:22 satamusic has joined
802 2011-01-19 05:10:41 satamusic_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
803 2011-01-19 05:12:00 <soultcer> andrew12: Are you sure that Satoshi Nakamoto is even real?
804 2011-01-19 05:12:07 satamusic_ has joined
805 2011-01-19 05:12:08 <andrew12> true
806 2011-01-19 05:12:31 <andrew12> i should probably try going to sleep
807 2011-01-19 05:13:10 <andrew12> nini
808 2011-01-19 05:13:14 satamusic has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
809 2011-01-19 05:16:30 <noagendamarket> Satoshi is a mythical creature
810 2011-01-19 05:16:35 <noagendamarket> like the tooth fairy
811 2011-01-19 05:18:32 <lfm> oh? what software project(s) is the tooth fairy working on?
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813 2011-01-19 05:19:37 <noagendamarket> children?
814 2011-01-19 05:19:37 <noagendamarket> they are soft
815 2011-01-19 05:19:37 <noagendamarket> lol
816 2011-01-19 05:19:37 <noagendamarket> are they open source tho?
817 2011-01-19 05:19:37 <noagendamarket> hmm
818 2011-01-19 05:21:54 <CyanDynamo> tooth fairy is foss?
819 2011-01-19 05:22:59 <noagendamarket> heh
820 2011-01-19 05:24:18 <noagendamarket> people believe in sky creatures that do magical things so its possible
821 2011-01-19 05:25:19 <noagendamarket> yet mention bitcoin and they go "I cant believe it" lol
822 2011-01-19 05:25:50 <kiba> noagendamarket: it's like cryonic
823 2011-01-19 05:26:44 <noagendamarket> if you smoke chronic that explains it
824 2011-01-19 05:27:00 <kiba> no
825 2011-01-19 05:27:14 <noagendamarket> *was joking
826 2011-01-19 05:27:18 <kiba> bitcoin is like cryonic in the sense that it's a good idea but people have unbeliavable skepticism
827 2011-01-19 05:27:55 <noagendamarket> yet they believe in government....
828 2011-01-19 05:28:00 <noagendamarket> without question
829 2011-01-19 05:29:12 <kiba> why? they have power
830 2011-01-19 05:29:22 <kiba> and they have a huge ass army
831 2011-01-19 05:29:40 <noagendamarket> no theres a difference between belief and fear
832 2011-01-19 05:29:42 <kiba> and schools to indoctrinate children with mytical ideas like democracy can work
833 2011-01-19 05:30:31 <kiba> did ya know, most Americans hate congress?
834 2011-01-19 05:30:36 <kiba> but probably love their congressman?
835 2011-01-19 05:30:46 <kiba> they like the guy they voted into congress
836 2011-01-19 05:30:50 <kiba> but not congress as a whole
837 2011-01-19 05:30:55 <noagendamarket> I dont presume to know what americans believe
838 2011-01-19 05:31:08 <kiba> noagendamarket: it's logics that I based on attending a government class
839 2011-01-19 05:31:12 <kiba> they tell you these stuff
840 2011-01-19 05:31:28 <kiba> most congressman get re-elected
841 2011-01-19 05:31:42 <kiba> but they can't vote out other people's congressmen
842 2011-01-19 05:31:44 <kiba> ya see?
843 2011-01-19 05:32:11 <kiba> also, American's political knowledge are scant and compartmenized. They don't know what they want
844 2011-01-19 05:33:06 <kiba> you see, it's not because America is ruled by corporations...but by an ignorant public
845 2011-01-19 05:33:28 <noagendamarket> well....
846 2011-01-19 05:33:52 <kiba> American voters like pork belly projects for THEIR district
847 2011-01-19 05:34:05 <CyanDynamo> i think it's both
848 2011-01-19 05:34:08 <kiba> but not the other guys
849 2011-01-19 05:34:16 <noagendamarket> yeah they are no different to voters in other parts of the world
850 2011-01-19 05:34:23 <CyanDynamo> you should vote for some random district each year, not yours
851 2011-01-19 05:34:27 <CyanDynamo> see how things go then
852 2011-01-19 05:34:32 <noagendamarket> I dont vote at all
853 2011-01-19 05:34:35 <CyanDynamo> neither do i
854 2011-01-19 05:34:49 <noagendamarket> even though its illegal not to in australia
855 2011-01-19 05:34:59 <CyanDynamo> lol really?
856 2011-01-19 05:35:03 <noagendamarket> yes
857 2011-01-19 05:35:25 <noagendamarket> They fine you for it
858 2011-01-19 05:35:44 <noagendamarket> They make good toilet paper
859 2011-01-19 05:35:57 <noagendamarket> the fines do lol
860 2011-01-19 05:36:09 <kiba> how come your country is like the only western nation to censor stuff?
861 2011-01-19 05:36:18 <kiba> well
862 2011-01-19 05:36:20 <kiba> not
863 2011-01-19 05:36:21 <kiba> but ya know
864 2011-01-19 05:36:33 <kiba> have the worst free speech "right"
865 2011-01-19 05:37:07 <noagendamarket> thats a myth
866 2011-01-19 05:37:09 <noagendamarket> kiba
867 2011-01-19 05:37:21 <kiba> it's not?
868 2011-01-19 05:37:25 <kiba> you got the whole filtering thing
869 2011-01-19 05:37:38 <noagendamarket> no thats a lie
870 2011-01-19 05:37:50 <kiba> ?
871 2011-01-19 05:37:53 <noagendamarket> we stopped them doing it
872 2011-01-19 05:38:12 <noagendamarket> because aussies are not docile lol
873 2011-01-19 05:38:49 <kiba> they got voted out?
874 2011-01-19 05:39:08 <noagendamarket> well the prime minister got sacked
875 2011-01-19 05:39:15 <noagendamarket> by his own party
876 2011-01-19 05:39:20 <noagendamarket> because he was a retard
877 2011-01-19 05:39:34 <noagendamarket> we have a hung parliament at the moment
878 2011-01-19 05:39:43 <noagendamarket> so none of them can do anything
879 2011-01-19 05:39:46 <noagendamarket> :)
880 2011-01-19 05:40:47 <kiba> why was he such a retard?
881 2011-01-19 05:41:06 <noagendamarket> he is a politicain?
882 2011-01-19 05:41:17 <noagendamarket> what other explanation do you need?
883 2011-01-19 05:41:24 <kiba> why?
884 2011-01-19 05:41:30 <kiba> didn't the party like him
885 2011-01-19 05:41:32 <kiba> what did he do?
886 2011-01-19 05:42:45 <noagendamarket> he was voted out by his own party
887 2011-01-19 05:42:58 <kiba> why?
888 2011-01-19 05:43:31 <noagendamarket> because his popularity ratings were worse than anyone elses
889 2011-01-19 05:43:32 <lfm> so the rest of his party was smart? arnt they polititians too?
890 2011-01-19 05:43:53 <kiba> noagendamarket: so why his popularity rating were worse than anyone else?
891 2011-01-19 05:45:11 <noagendamarket> because people stopped believing his pr
892 2011-01-19 05:45:22 <kiba> why did they stop beliving his pr?
893 2011-01-19 05:46:11 <noagendamarket> he introduced lots of programs that failed
894 2011-01-19 05:46:17 <kiba> like what?
895 2011-01-19 05:46:25 <kiba> what are they meant to accomplish?
896 2011-01-19 05:46:43 <noagendamarket> for instance they had a home insulation scheme which went badly
897 2011-01-19 05:46:54 <kiba> went badly?
898 2011-01-19 05:46:57 <noagendamarket> people started rorting it
899 2011-01-19 05:47:07 * kiba googled rorting
900 2011-01-19 05:47:10 <lfm> I think i heard about some internet cencorship programs that kinda fell apart
901 2011-01-19 05:47:13 <noagendamarket> they installed insulation that caused house fires
902 2011-01-19 05:47:22 <ArtForz> löl
903 2011-01-19 05:47:28 <noagendamarket> and people died
904 2011-01-19 05:47:44 <kiba> so what other programs that failed?
905 2011-01-19 05:47:49 <noagendamarket> all of them
906 2011-01-19 05:47:58 <kiba> be more specific
907 2011-01-19 05:48:03 <noagendamarket> they wasted money on school buildings
908 2011-01-19 05:48:11 <kiba> how?
909 2011-01-19 05:48:25 <noagendamarket> well schools that were supposed to be demolished
910 2011-01-19 05:48:37 <noagendamarket> they got brand new awnings on the front
911 2011-01-19 05:48:45 <noagendamarket> but the building was rotten lol
912 2011-01-19 05:49:07 <kiba> rofl
913 2011-01-19 05:49:19 <ArtForz> shrug, thats pretty normal around here
914 2011-01-19 05:49:20 <noagendamarket> there is also the internet censorship plan
915 2011-01-19 05:49:28 * kiba googled awnings
916 2011-01-19 05:49:34 <noagendamarket> haha
917 2011-01-19 05:49:44 <noagendamarket> bbl
918 2011-01-19 05:51:00 <ArtForz> seriously, wasting shitloads of money on buildings like that is pretty common
919 2011-01-19 05:51:54 <ArtForz> they reroofed a complete building here, *after* finding out the whole interior was a asbestos debacle
920 2011-01-19 05:52:23 <ArtForz> but when they found that out, the contracts for the reroofing were already written
921 2011-01-19 05:52:39 <ArtForz> yeah, that building got a new roof, then got demolished
922 2011-01-19 05:52:45 <kiba> ROFL
923 2011-01-19 05:53:08 <ArtForz> aka *facepalm*
924 2011-01-19 05:53:21 <nanotube> ArtForz: haha couldn't they just hold the contract work until new building was built, and have the guys put the roof on a new building?
925 2011-01-19 05:53:39 <kiba> nanotube: but then they'll be out of business
926 2011-01-19 05:53:44 <ArtForz> well, but you see, that would require actual thought
927 2011-01-19 05:53:49 <nanotube> kiba: who they?
928 2011-01-19 05:53:54 <kiba> the roofer
929 2011-01-19 05:54:05 <ArtForz> not really, the roofer was just like "wtf?!?"
930 2011-01-19 05:54:07 <nanotube> no, roofer just goes and does something else, then comes back when job site is ready
931 2011-01-19 05:54:07 <kiba> if they depend on the contract to help them stay affloat
932 2011-01-19 05:54:59 <kiba> it's government building anyway
933 2011-01-19 05:55:02 <kiba> still a waste of money
934 2011-01-19 05:55:11 <nanotube> further, i'd think contract law does allow backing out of a contract, possibly with some compensation payment etc... especially if no work was done yet.
935 2011-01-19 05:55:23 <ArtForz> yep, it does
936 2011-01-19 05:55:39 <ArtForz> but for that to happen, someone would actually have to feel responsible
937 2011-01-19 05:55:52 <kiba> whatever
938 2011-01-19 05:55:55 <kiba> it's not my money
939 2011-01-19 05:55:58 <ArtForz> yep
940 2011-01-19 05:56:15 <ArtForz> thats the general problem
941 2011-01-19 05:58:15 <ArtForz> kinda fun: in .de we actually have a org collecting cases of waste of taxpayer money
942 2011-01-19 05:58:55 <ArtForz> releasing a annual list of the craziest cases
943 2011-01-19 05:58:55 <nanotube> ArtForz: right, the "opm principle" (other people's money)
944 2011-01-19 05:59:48 <ArtForz> yep
945 2011-01-19 06:00:39 <kiba> anyway
946 2011-01-19 06:00:41 <kiba> good night
947 2011-01-19 06:00:48 <lfm> bye
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951 2011-01-19 06:31:41 <noagendamarket> wtf
952 2011-01-19 06:31:42 <noagendamarket> netsplit
953 2011-01-19 06:32:14 <lfm> yup
954 2011-01-19 06:33:17 <lfm> ;;bc,calc 320000
955 2011-01-19 06:33:18 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 320000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 2 days, 20 hours, 44 minutes, and 25 seconds
956 2011-01-19 06:35:04 <noagendamarket> would anyone want to join a pooled mining consortium?
957 2011-01-19 06:35:45 <noagendamarket> Instead of paying for a whole vps by myself I was thinking 4 or 5 people could buy shares
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959 2011-01-19 06:36:42 <nanotube> noagendamarket: what are you going to run, as far as the pool owner software?
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961 2011-01-19 06:37:09 <noagendamarket> I havent gotten that far yet
962 2011-01-19 06:37:11 <noagendamarket> lol
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964 2011-01-19 06:39:06 <noagendamarket> This might need a site with administration management for each shareholder
965 2011-01-19 06:39:34 <sgornick> noagendamarket: Someone's going to develop this idea someday ... a bootable USB flash drive ready to go for mining ... connecting to a pool, No configuration necessary, just boot and mine, ... when need to use the computer again, reboot back into windows or whatever. http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2696.0
966 2011-01-19 06:39:34 <sgornick> Each image when burned has its own unique ID (e.g., worker id if using VPM) -- so user needs to do nothing.
967 2011-01-19 06:40:00 <noagendamarket> yeah i agree that would be awesome
968 2011-01-19 06:40:34 <lfm> so why reboot, just start bitcoin on whatever os is running already
969 2011-01-19 06:41:14 <sgornick> no driver install, no software install, no messing up anything.
970 2011-01-19 06:42:13 <noagendamarket> I just thought id put it out there
971 2011-01-19 06:42:23 <lfm> um well there is a whole os to screw up, lots that can go wrong still
972 2011-01-19 06:44:05 <sgornick> lfm: ? the bootable has the archlinux or slax or whatever on it, runs as a headless miner.
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974 2011-01-19 06:44:40 <lfm> to run gpu you still need to start X
975 2011-01-19 06:45:57 <noagendamarket> why not a whole os on the usb key?
976 2011-01-19 06:45:59 <sgornick> so it is tough or not possible to configure a single image that works on the various configurations, no tweaking?
977 2011-01-19 06:46:04 <noagendamarket> a bitcoinos
978 2011-01-19 06:46:37 <sgornick> noagendamarket: Ya, that's what I'm describing, I thought.
979 2011-01-19 06:47:29 <ArtForz> that should actually be Not That Hard(tm) to implement
980 2011-01-19 06:47:51 <lfm> iv never really tried to set up something that would boot into X on both nvida and ati proprietary drivers but I can immagine there could be trouble
981 2011-01-19 06:48:08 <ArtForz> not really
982 2011-01-19 06:48:38 <ArtForz> you'd need a few scripts to figure out hw on boot
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984 2011-01-19 06:49:16 <noagendamarket> I can spin up a vps at linode for the server part but as i said I would prefer shareholders in place first
985 2011-01-19 06:49:53 <lfm> i think X has code to try to figure it out actually
986 2011-01-19 06:50:19 <noagendamarket> I might post a thread on the forum to gauge interest
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989 2011-01-19 06:52:19 <noagendamarket> I think the usb keys could be part of the profit if they can be sourced from china
990 2011-01-19 06:52:21 <noagendamarket> :)
991 2011-01-19 06:53:50 <noagendamarket> ali baba ftw lol
992 2011-01-19 06:55:20 <lfm> huh
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1031 2011-01-19 08:40:19 <noagendamarket> woot
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1035 2011-01-19 08:56:51 <niekie> woot?
1036 2011-01-19 09:02:17 <nevezen> fluff.
1037 2011-01-19 09:19:47 <nathan7> woot.
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1039 2011-01-19 09:25:23 <niekie> Hi slush :)
1040 2011-01-19 09:30:15 <slush> hi
1041 2011-01-19 09:39:32 <noobdearia> hey slush, thanks for the bitcoins from your pooled mining server ^_^
1042 2011-01-19 09:40:34 <noobdearia> slush: What is the bandwidth like on the pooled mining server?
1043 2011-01-19 09:42:08 <sipa> slush: hope you don't mind i switched to 2% now i'm running a 5970... in absolute terms you'll still get more :)
1044 2011-01-19 09:42:49 <noagendamarket> does anyone know the bandwidth needs for the pooled server?
1045 2011-01-19 09:43:18 <noobdearia> noagendamarket, You're trying to steal my question, eh? I asked first!
1046 2011-01-19 09:43:26 <noagendamarket> hehe
1047 2011-01-19 09:43:45 <noagendamarket> well slush isnt the only one who knows is he? lol
1048 2011-01-19 09:43:47 <noobdearia> A couple hours ago I asked a question in ##php and a minute later after I got an answer, someone asked the same question. O_O
1049 2011-01-19 09:44:05 <slush> monthly transfers are ~400GB
1050 2011-01-19 09:44:30 <slush> sipa: thanks ;)
1051 2011-01-19 09:44:32 <noobdearia> Oh? that's quite a bit. What causes most of the bandwidth?
1052 2011-01-19 09:44:36 <noagendamarket> thats a lot
1053 2011-01-19 09:44:56 <sipa> 100 getworks/s is quite a lot :)
1054 2011-01-19 09:44:59 <slush> yes, it is. I'm working on push based protocol, which should improve that
1055 2011-01-19 09:45:12 <noagendamarket> xmpp ?
1056 2011-01-19 09:45:19 <sipa> irc!
1057 2011-01-19 09:45:24 <noagendamarket> heh
1058 2011-01-19 09:45:28 <noagendamarket> of course
1059 2011-01-19 09:45:34 <noagendamarket> *slaps foreheaD
1060 2011-01-19 09:45:53 <slush> I considered also xmpp, but it is quite slow
1061 2011-01-19 09:45:59 <slush> parsing xml and so...
1062 2011-01-19 09:46:06 <slush> Probably something like comet
1063 2011-01-19 09:46:19 <slush> I think also about pure TCP streams, not HTTP, which is quite ineffective
1064 2011-01-19 09:46:50 <sipa> if bandwidth is a problem, i'd say switch to a binary protocol as well
1065 2011-01-19 09:46:55 <slush> yes
1066 2011-01-19 09:47:04 <sipa> maybe even compressed
1067 2011-01-19 09:47:15 <slush> getwork is ineffective, too many zeros and other unnecessary bytes
1068 2011-01-19 09:47:19 <ArtForz> won't help
1069 2011-01-19 09:47:23 <niekie> Then there's still the problem of getting miners to work with it :)
1070 2011-01-19 09:47:30 <ArtForz> 90% of the block header is hashes
1071 2011-01-19 09:47:40 <slush> I think I'll patch m0mchil as reference implementation
1072 2011-01-19 09:47:56 <ArtForz> = it aint compress in binary
1073 2011-01-19 09:48:05 * niekie is using jgarzik CPU and Diablo-GPU
1074 2011-01-19 09:48:06 <slush> and make local proxy for standard getwork
1075 2011-01-19 09:48:22 <niekie> slush: ah, that'd work.
1076 2011-01-19 09:48:30 <slush> so nieke can install it locally and still use jgarzik's :)
1077 2011-01-19 09:48:56 <slush> ArtForz: 90% of data are http headers and zeros
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1079 2011-01-19 09:51:19 <ArtForz> with current getwork, yes
1080 2011-01-19 09:51:23 <sipa> but http headers won't be compressed
1081 2011-01-19 09:51:28 <ArtForz> with a proper binary protocol, nope
1082 2011-01-19 09:51:42 <sipa> and with a smarter protocol, you'd be able to get rid of the zeroes i think
1083 2011-01-19 09:51:45 <niekie> Hm, turns out a worker I thought was dead was actually still running, it just hadn't put in work for a time.
1084 2011-01-19 09:51:48 <sipa> s/smarter/more specific/
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1087 2011-01-19 10:09:11 <noagendamarket> what would be the best way to host a pooled mining effort?
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1089 2011-01-19 10:09:22 <slush> regards to previous discussion about pool:
1090 2011-01-19 10:09:29 <slush> > sgornick: what if slush's ISP loses power?
1091 2011-01-19 10:10:01 <slush> sgornick: Then I'll switch to another server in one or two hours. If all users use URL and not an IP, no problem here.
1092 2011-01-19 10:10:42 <mrb_> slush: the solution to your pb is make your server delay sending back the JSON-RPC getwork reply until new work is available
1093 2011-01-19 10:10:57 <slush> And don't forget that pool doesn't own any hash power. When pool crash for some reason, 80% of power will connect back to bitcoin network directly
1094 2011-01-19 10:11:09 <mrb_> and work with 3rd party miner to ensure they don't have stupid short timeout settings
1095 2011-01-19 10:11:30 <mrb_> ...3rd party miner developers...
1096 2011-01-19 10:12:00 <mrb_> no need to write a custom protocol. no need for a custom "getwork proxy" running on the local miner machine.
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1098 2011-01-19 10:13:44 <lfm> wont most of pool just wait for pool server to come back?
1099 2011-01-19 10:14:09 <slush> lfm: depends on owners :)
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1101 2011-01-19 10:14:15 <noagendamarket> heh
1102 2011-01-19 10:14:16 <slush> It's quite easy to go back to bitcoin network
1103 2011-01-19 10:14:45 <slush> mrb_: not such easy
1104 2011-01-19 10:15:00 <slush> mrb_: what will miners crunch when I don't give them back job? :)
1105 2011-01-19 10:15:04 <noagendamarket> so has anyone else noticed something
1106 2011-01-19 10:15:21 <lfm> i notice things all the time
1107 2011-01-19 10:15:25 <noagendamarket> lol
1108 2011-01-19 10:15:46 <noagendamarket> I mean if you look at the two pooled mkining efforts
1109 2011-01-19 10:15:52 <slush> > they don't have stupid short timeout settings
1110 2011-01-19 10:15:52 <slush> Currently this 'stupid short timeout' is absolutely needed
1111 2011-01-19 10:16:08 <mrb_> slush: for first-time clients, send the getwork reply immediately with no pause
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1113 2011-01-19 10:16:36 <mrb_> erm
1114 2011-01-19 10:16:43 <slush> mrb_: trust me, there are LOT of problems
1115 2011-01-19 10:16:56 <noagendamarket> One pool is run by a monarch (slush) and one is commmunism (open source pool)
1116 2011-01-19 10:17:00 <noagendamarket> lol
1117 2011-01-19 10:17:01 <slush> how getwork works internally, how to check if clients are not cheating and so
1118 2011-01-19 10:17:10 <slush> it is quite easy if all members are trustworthy
1119 2011-01-19 10:17:12 <slush> but they don't
1120 2011-01-19 10:17:13 <noagendamarket> and strangely enough communism = fail
1121 2011-01-19 10:17:19 <mrb_> forget what I said
1122 2011-01-19 10:17:30 <slush> mrb_: done ;)
1123 2011-01-19 10:18:15 <lfm> you are evil troll to equate communism with open source
1124 2011-01-19 10:18:34 <noagendamarket> lol
1125 2011-01-19 10:18:48 * necrodearia glances at the evil troll before going to sleep
1126 2011-01-19 10:18:59 <noagendamarket> I mean people are waiting for someone to donate a server
1127 2011-01-19 10:19:17 <lfm> puddinpop has donated a server
1128 2011-01-19 10:19:30 <lfm> well source for a server
1129 2011-01-19 10:19:59 <noagendamarket> thats not the same thing...
1130 2011-01-19 10:20:20 <noagendamarket> or maybe I am evil lol
1131 2011-01-19 10:20:57 <lfm> hardware is nothing to do with open source in this context
1132 2011-01-19 10:21:09 * necrodearia suggests noagendamarket take up "muhahahahaha" style of textual laughter
1133 2011-01-19 10:21:16 <noagendamarket> heh
1134 2011-01-19 10:21:30 <noagendamarket> *is an evil genius
1135 2011-01-19 10:21:42 <lfm> you're saying no one has set up a server using the open source server code
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1137 2011-01-19 10:21:58 <lfm> evil genius troll
1138 2011-01-19 10:24:09 <lfm> setting up server is a hardware question and admin manpower, not really relevant to open source whatsoever
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1140 2011-01-19 10:26:22 <noagendamarket> So I called slush a monarch and you didnt say anything about it lol
1141 2011-01-19 10:26:59 <lfm> any sysadmin type that way is dictator/monarch
1142 2011-01-19 10:26:59 <noagendamarket> I was comparing the fact that one is a single entity and one is many
1143 2011-01-19 10:27:49 <noagendamarket> there are pluses and minuses to both types of systems
1144 2011-01-19 10:28:04 <lfm> if I set up a server usinf open source server code I would still be dictator/monarch of that system
1145 2011-01-19 10:28:20 <noagendamarket> However there is one system missing from the equation
1146 2011-01-19 10:28:54 <noagendamarket> Ill leave it to you to figure out what it is lol
1147 2011-01-19 10:29:22 <lfm> no idea what you're talking about
1148 2011-01-19 10:31:14 <lfm> i give up whats missing?
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1151 2011-01-19 10:34:54 <noagendamarket> The inability to buy shares in a pooled mining company....you are either a "worker" or an "owner" you are not a shareholder.
1152 2011-01-19 10:35:11 <noagendamarket> ie capitalism
1153 2011-01-19 10:35:15 <noagendamarket> lol
1154 2011-01-19 10:35:57 <noagendamarket> I propose that a mining company can have many shareholders
1155 2011-01-19 10:37:01 <noagendamarket> not just workers
1156 2011-01-19 10:37:18 <lfm> will shareholders still elect president or do you think you can have shareholders direct control
1157 2011-01-19 10:37:38 <noagendamarket> shareholders = owners of the means of production
1158 2011-01-19 10:37:51 <noagendamarket> whatever the cost of the server is
1159 2011-01-19 10:38:01 <noagendamarket> divided by the number of shareholders
1160 2011-01-19 10:38:26 <noagendamarket> why rely on one person or on charity ?
1161 2011-01-19 10:38:42 <edcba> ok why don't you setup that ?
1162 2011-01-19 10:38:47 <noagendamarket> I am
1163 2011-01-19 10:38:51 <noagendamarket> lol
1164 2011-01-19 10:39:18 <sipa> slush: if the difficulty the pool uses still always one, or does it try to scale?
1165 2011-01-19 10:39:33 <noagendamarket> anyone who wants to participate can join #bitcoind
1166 2011-01-19 10:40:21 <lfm> I look forward to your proposal, although I expect I wont really be interested in joining any more than I am interested in joining Slush's pool
1167 2011-01-19 10:41:25 <lfm> btw what are the independant miners in your analogy?
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1170 2011-01-19 10:42:52 <gribble> Current Blocks: 103454 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 1377 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 6 hours, 31 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 21336.88588603
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1175 2011-01-19 10:54:09 <molecular> ;;bc,mtgox
1176 2011-01-19 10:54:09 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.349,"low":0.305,"vol":15565,"buy":0.301,"sell":0.3099,"last":0.31}}
1177 2011-01-19 10:56:34 <slush> lfm: Default pool difficulty will be still 1. But it will be possible to change it to something higher in profile page
1178 2011-01-19 10:56:48 <slush> lfm: Because diff 1 is too low for strong miners
1179 2011-01-19 10:57:05 <sipa> i think you should determine it yourself :)
1180 2011-01-19 10:57:11 <slush> lfm: when you then set diff to 3, one submitted hash will add 3 shares to your account
1181 2011-01-19 10:57:33 <slush> sipa: I don't think so
1182 2011-01-19 10:57:43 <slush> Correct detection is quite difficult
1183 2011-01-19 10:58:11 <sipa> i can do an attack on that system, i think
1184 2011-01-19 10:58:15 <sipa> or wait
1185 2011-01-19 10:58:25 <sipa> no, sorry :)
1186 2011-01-19 10:58:50 <sipa> as long as you don't allow changing the difficulty by the miner it's fine
1187 2011-01-19 10:58:59 <slush> why?
1188 2011-01-19 10:59:23 <sipa> if i send each share as difficulty one
1189 2011-01-19 10:59:37 <sipa> but those which beat difficulty 2, as difficulty 2
1190 2011-01-19 10:59:42 <niekie> Hm, is it possible to reward based on the quality of the block found (regardless of the difficulty level)?
1191 2011-01-19 10:59:51 <sipa> i've been thinking about that
1192 2011-01-19 11:00:03 <sipa> but it would mean less distribution, i fear
1193 2011-01-19 11:00:23 <slush> I've been thinking about that, too. But I'm not sure how implication it can have
1194 2011-01-19 11:00:27 <sipa> as in: over a long time on average it will have the same effect
1195 2011-01-19 11:00:35 <sipa> but on short term it would cause larger variations
1196 2011-01-19 11:01:28 <slush> sipa: I catch the point. I think setting miner difficulty each hour or so is quite fast an efficient workaround
1197 2011-01-19 11:01:41 <slush> *each hour => max 1x per hour
1198 2011-01-19 11:01:41 <sipa> slush: if i send each score-1 block as difficulty one, and each score-2 block as difficulty two, you've counted the score-1 ones twice
1199 2011-01-19 11:01:57 <sipa> so if you determine the difficulty before starting to mine, it's fine
1200 2011-01-19 11:02:13 <sipa> and since the difficulty is stored in the block itself, there is no way to circumvent that
1201 2011-01-19 11:02:44 <slush> if i send each score-1 block as difficulty one, and each score-2 block as difficulty two, you've counted the score-1 ones twice ---> ?
1202 2011-01-19 11:03:19 <sipa> you count difficulty-2 shares as two shares, right?
1203 2011-01-19 11:03:26 <slush> yes
1204 2011-01-19 11:03:46 <sipa> that is because you account for the less-than-score-2 ones that are not seen by the system
1205 2011-01-19 11:03:59 <slush> correct
1206 2011-01-19 11:04:33 <sipa> however, if i submit both score-1 blocks (with difficulty 1) and score-2 blocks (with difficulty 2, counting those twice), you've accounted in two different ways for the score-1 ones
1207 2011-01-19 11:04:59 <sipa> but as the difficulty is stored in the block itself, there is no way to cheat :)
1208 2011-01-19 11:05:13 <slush> in the getwork is official difficulty
1209 2011-01-19 11:05:20 <slush> not diff 1
1210 2011-01-19 11:05:30 <sipa> i'm talking about shares
1211 2011-01-19 11:05:32 <sipa> not full blocks
1212 2011-01-19 11:05:51 <sipa> sorry, terminology mixup
1213 2011-01-19 11:06:20 <slush> ok, so you don't see problem, right?
1214 2011-01-19 11:06:28 <slush> (as far as I understand :)
1215 2011-01-19 11:06:49 <sipa> indeed, i don't think you can exploit it :)
1216 2011-01-19 11:07:47 <dirtyfilthy> 60% through coding bitcoin script engine.... slow going. time for a whisky
1217 2011-01-19 11:09:30 <slush> ;;bc,poolstats
1218 2011-01-19 11:09:31 <gribble> {"round_probability": 8.5700000000000003, "hashes_ps": 18759234897, "shares": 1651, "active_workers": 367, "round_duration": "0:06:18", "round_started": "2011-01-19 10:58:44", "getwork_ps": 113}
1219 2011-01-19 11:09:37 <slush> nice, new record
1220 2011-01-19 11:09:38 <dirtyfilthy> too many stinking functions in the scripting language
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1223 2011-01-19 11:15:31 <altamic> dirtyfilthy: what language are you working in?
1224 2011-01-19 11:17:44 <niekie> 1900+Mh now :)
1225 2011-01-19 11:17:58 <niekie> 19000*
1226 2011-01-19 11:19:57 <dirtyfilthy> altamic: java :/
1227 2011-01-19 11:20:04 <altamic> I see
1228 2011-01-19 11:20:23 <dirtyfilthy> it seemed like a good idea at the time
1229 2011-01-19 11:20:42 <altamic> I am going with ruby
1230 2011-01-19 11:21:17 <dirtyfilthy> prolly a good move, it's my favourite language (ruby)
1231 2011-01-19 11:21:22 <sipa> slush: feature request (if you have time...): a list of blocks you have found :)
1232 2011-01-19 11:21:31 <dirtyfilthy> altamic: where are you up to?
1233 2011-01-19 11:22:11 <altamic> speccing the protocol
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1237 2011-01-19 11:28:05 <altamic> 40 tests ~ 150ish assertions
1238 2011-01-19 11:32:09 <dirtyfilthy> i feel kind of bad for not being discplined enough to write more test cases now ;)
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1253 2011-01-19 12:35:17 <devon_hillard> did the slush pool go above 20Th/s?
1254 2011-01-19 12:36:30 <andrew12^droid> Wait what?
1255 2011-01-19 12:36:39 <andrew12^droid> I didn't even know the network was that high
1256 2011-01-19 12:36:57 <[Noodles]> Th/s? the network only has ~150Gh/s
1257 2011-01-19 12:37:10 <devon_hillard> it's not at 18-19Th
1258 2011-01-19 12:37:13 <devon_hillard> now
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1260 2011-01-19 12:37:32 <[Noodles]> no, it's 18Gh/s
1261 2011-01-19 12:37:56 <devon_hillard> was higher just earlier
1262 2011-01-19 12:38:04 <[Noodles]> well, than 19Gh/s
1263 2011-01-19 12:38:08 <[Noodles]> ^.^
1264 2011-01-19 12:38:18 <andrew12^droid> haha
1265 2011-01-19 12:38:32 <[Noodles]> but as said, if total resources of the network are just about 150Gh/s, the pool can't have Th/s
1266 2011-01-19 12:38:51 <andrew12^droid> Or can it?!?!
1267 2011-01-19 12:39:24 <andrew12^droid> :p
1268 2011-01-19 12:41:07 <andrew12^droid> I'd like to see an android app that monitored mtgox or bitcoin market etc. and has graphs and stuff. I think that'd be cool.
1269 2011-01-19 12:41:46 <andrew12^droid> ;;bc,poolstats
1270 2011-01-19 12:41:47 <gribble> {"round_probability": 63.960000000000001, "hashes_ps": 18046914816, "shares": 18816, "active_workers": 376, "round_duration": "1:14:38", "round_started": "2011-01-19 11:22:40", "getwork_ps": 108}
1271 2011-01-19 12:42:22 <andrew12^droid> Its 18.046914816Gh/s
1272 2011-01-19 12:42:23 <andrew12^droid> :p
1273 2011-01-19 12:44:14 <andrew12^droid> 18046914816 h/s => 18046914 kh/s => 18046 Mh/s => 18 Gh/s
1274 2011-01-19 12:44:25 * andrew12^droid closes his case
1275 2011-01-19 12:47:21 * sipa confirms andrew12^droid's statements
1276 2011-01-19 12:48:58 <andrew12^droid> ;;bt,btcex
1277 2011-01-19 12:48:58 <gribble> Error: "bt,btcex" is not a valid command.
1278 2011-01-19 12:49:03 <andrew12^droid> Errr
1279 2011-01-19 12:49:07 <andrew12^droid> ;;bc,btcex
1280 2011-01-19 12:49:08 <gribble> '[\n {\n "currency": "WMR",\n "currency_name": "WebMoney RUB",\n "bid": "10.0002",\n "ask": "12.0000",\n "lastTradedPrice": "11.0000",\n "lastTradedQuantity": "1.06",\n "last24HrsTradedQuantity": "101.06"\n },\n {\n "currency": "JPY",\n "currency_name": "Japanese yen",\n "bid": "1.0000",\n "ask": "20.0000",\n "lastTradedPrice": "2.0000",\n (2 more messages)
1281 2011-01-19 12:49:22 <andrew12^droid> ^^ that needs some serious whitespace strippage
1282 2011-01-19 12:53:54 <andrew12^droid> Quick, someone write a miner for the TI-84, go!
1283 2011-01-19 12:57:10 <[Noodles]> what's a TI-84?
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1285 2011-01-19 12:59:28 <sipa> [Noodles]: http://xkcd.com/768/
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1291 2011-01-19 13:34:53 <Diablo-D3> andrew12: wtf.
1292 2011-01-19 13:38:01 <Kiba> good morning
1293 2011-01-19 13:38:05 <Kiba> I did not sleep very well last night
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1296 2011-01-19 13:48:03 <slush> devon_hillard: pool hashrate is calculated from round time and count of shares. So when new round is started, some strange numbers in stats _may_ happen.
1297 2011-01-19 13:48:25 <slush> devon_hillard: but 20Th is quite lot :)
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1299 2011-01-19 13:51:50 <davout> slush: would it be possible that the account page displays hashrates per worker, and also aggregate ?
1300 2011-01-19 13:52:17 <davout> slush: that would be a really nice thing to help in miner debugging, and general awesomeness
1301 2011-01-19 13:52:37 <slush> davout: It was here before, but numbers are very inaccurate for slow workers, so I removed it because users asked again and again, why they see 2Mhash on theris 20Mhash workers
1302 2011-01-19 13:52:45 <slush> *theirs
1303 2011-01-19 13:53:28 <slush> I calculated it from current round, so until there is <100 shares per worker, it is useless
1304 2011-01-19 13:55:57 <slush> And when I calculate it from longer timeline (say last one or two days), it won't be flexible enough (even for offline worker there will be some number)
1305 2011-01-19 13:59:21 <sipa> calculate it over the last 100 shares for a given worker
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1307 2011-01-19 13:59:45 <sipa> it will be fast and accurate for fast workers
1308 2011-01-19 13:59:56 <slush> but I don't save shares per worker now. Only for current round
1309 2011-01-19 14:00:02 <sipa> oh ok
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1311 2011-01-19 14:00:39 <slush> I have historical shares per round for user, so total hashrate is possible. But not on worker level
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1315 2011-01-19 14:12:16 <grondilu> ahh, bitcoind doesn't anwser at all ! This is not good
1316 2011-01-19 14:13:08 <grondilu> is it ok if I just kill it ?
1317 2011-01-19 14:14:24 <grondilu> I don't see anything wrong in the log, just some stuff about the software joining IRC.
1318 2011-01-19 14:15:06 <Kiba`> yo grondilu
1319 2011-01-19 14:15:09 <grondilu> yo
1320 2011-01-19 14:15:15 <grondilu> So what should I do ?
1321 2011-01-19 14:15:45 <Kiba`> I don't know
1322 2011-01-19 14:15:57 <Kiba`> if you got your wallet backed up recently, it should be no risk, right?
1323 2011-01-19 14:16:15 <grondilu> well, I haven't made any backup for quite some time :/
1324 2011-01-19 14:16:58 <Kiba`> me neither
1325 2011-01-19 14:17:06 <Kiba`> it's not a habit that's deeply ingrained in me
1326 2011-01-19 14:17:15 <grondilu> ok I'll take the risk
1327 2011-01-19 14:17:49 <grondilu> ahh pkill bitcoind didn't kill it
1328 2011-01-19 14:18:06 <grondilu> I have to be even more brutal
1329 2011-01-19 14:18:48 <grondilu> sh.t, -KILLTERM didn't kill it either
1330 2011-01-19 14:19:05 <grondilu> (-SIGTERM)
1331 2011-01-19 14:20:37 <grondilu> ahh I killed it with -SIGKILL and restarted. I LOST 98,569 BTC !!!!!
1332 2011-01-19 14:21:40 <grondilu> nah... I'm just kidding. Everything is fine :)
1333 2011-01-19 14:23:26 mndrix has left ("Leaving...")
1334 2011-01-19 14:25:25 <davout> hehe
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1337 2011-01-19 14:40:28 <EvanR-work> o_O
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1340 2011-01-19 14:45:14 <TheAncientGoat> Soooo... Has anyone made my bitcoin-flattr service yet?
1341 2011-01-19 14:45:15 <TheAncientGoat> :P
1342 2011-01-19 14:47:20 <Kiba`> TheAncientGoat: I don't think so, but it is a useful idea
1343 2011-01-19 14:49:15 <TheAncientGoat> Gosh darnit people, what am I paying you for!
1344 2011-01-19 14:49:21 <TheAncientGoat> :P
1345 2011-01-19 14:49:31 <Kiba`> 318.4 BTC
1346 2011-01-19 14:49:35 <Kiba`> so far
1347 2011-01-19 14:49:36 <Kiba`> wee!
1348 2011-01-19 14:49:38 Kiba` is now known as kiba
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1350 2011-01-19 14:50:04 Vaerros has left ()
1351 2011-01-19 14:50:32 * kiba determiens what he want to do next
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1353 2011-01-19 14:52:58 * kiba continues his goal of prying bitcoin from the warm hand of his fellow bitcoiners
1354 2011-01-19 14:55:10 <m0mchil> TheAncientGoat: http://www.youtipit.org
1355 2011-01-19 14:56:11 <TheAncientGoat> m0mchil: Ooo
1356 2011-01-19 14:57:11 <kiba> there are so many good ideas but there's so little resources to execute much of anything
1357 2011-01-19 14:58:25 <TheAncientGoat> kiba: did you see that?
1358 2011-01-19 14:58:31 <kiba> yes, I just did
1359 2011-01-19 14:58:38 <kiba> I am pleasantly surprised
1360 2011-01-19 14:58:51 MasterChief has joined
1361 2011-01-19 14:58:53 <kiba> now, we shall start tipping each other with bitcoin :)
1362 2011-01-19 14:59:27 <TheAncientGoat> Indeed, it is rather nice
1363 2011-01-19 14:59:36 <TheAncientGoat> Now I just need to see if it has a widget
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1366 2011-01-19 15:06:36 <TheAncientGoat> Ok, widget is cruddy
1367 2011-01-19 15:06:48 <kiba> cruddy?
1368 2011-01-19 15:07:09 <TheAncientGoat> http://www.innovatrade.de/2009/11/planeten-musik/
1369 2011-01-19 15:07:28 <TheAncientGoat> Look if you can find the widget, and if it actually looks like a widget / makes sense
1370 2011-01-19 15:08:18 <kiba> it's a piece of javascript
1371 2011-01-19 15:08:33 <kiba> not the most offensive thing in the world
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1377 2011-01-19 15:41:30 <Diablo-D3> TheAncientGoat: what widget?
1378 2011-01-19 15:42:01 <TheAncientGoat> Diablo-D3: The widget for youtipit
1379 2011-01-19 15:42:35 <TheAncientGoat> http://www.youtipit.org/img/junketBanner001.png
1380 2011-01-19 15:43:45 <kiba> it doesn't seem so wrong
1381 2011-01-19 15:43:52 <kiba> just so big
1382 2011-01-19 15:44:06 <Diablo-D3> thats not a widget
1383 2011-01-19 15:44:07 <TheAncientGoat> It's bad
1384 2011-01-19 15:44:09 <Diablo-D3> thats an image
1385 2011-01-19 15:44:22 <TheAncientGoat> Yes, the widget is an image with a link
1386 2011-01-19 15:44:36 <Diablo-D3> then... its... not a widget at all
1387 2011-01-19 15:44:38 <TheAncientGoat> In uses: http://www.grombach.com/index.php/2009/04/28/sharepoint-is-a-duck/
1388 2011-01-19 15:44:41 <TheAncientGoat> Diablo-D3: Well, yeah
1389 2011-01-19 15:44:46 <TheAncientGoat> That's all they provide
1390 2011-01-19 15:44:48 <TheAncientGoat> Hence crud
1391 2011-01-19 15:44:54 <TheAncientGoat> kiba: It's bad :P
1392 2011-01-19 15:45:06 <Diablo-D3> widget implies actual interactivity of some sort in javascript
1393 2011-01-19 15:45:41 <TheAncientGoat> Well yeah, it lacks a widget then
1394 2011-01-19 15:46:31 <Diablo-D3> and it probably doesnt need one
1395 2011-01-19 15:46:36 <Diablo-D3> the real issue is
1396 2011-01-19 15:46:40 <Diablo-D3> that image is fucking ugly and unreadable
1397 2011-01-19 15:46:44 <Diablo-D3> even the COLORS are wrong
1398 2011-01-19 15:46:49 <Diablo-D3> and its usually hard to get COLORS worng
1399 2011-01-19 15:47:12 <TheAncientGoat> And yeah, that ^
1400 2011-01-19 15:47:22 <TheAncientGoat> Diablo-D3: EEET NEEDS ONE
1401 2011-01-19 15:47:31 <TheAncientGoat> There's no point without a widget
1402 2011-01-19 15:47:54 <Diablo-D3> if it grows one, and becomes popular, its another thing to block in my ad blocker
1403 2011-01-19 15:49:48 <TheAncientGoat> :|
1404 2011-01-19 15:49:55 pr0wler has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1405 2011-01-19 15:50:34 <TheAncientGoat> Diablo-D3: Because people who post on the internet don't deserve money
1406 2011-01-19 15:50:45 pr0wler has joined
1407 2011-01-19 15:51:09 <Diablo-D3> Exactly.
1408 2011-01-19 15:51:19 <Diablo-D3> If they wanted money, they'd become whores and suck Amazon's dick
1409 2011-01-19 15:51:34 <davout> or mine
1410 2011-01-19 15:52:01 <kiba> I recalled davout getting rich from jgarizk
1411 2011-01-19 15:52:21 <davout> kiba: shut up
1412 2011-01-19 15:52:26 <kiba> :P
1413 2011-01-19 15:52:33 <davout> :D
1414 2011-01-19 15:52:54 <davout> i didn't get rich
1415 2011-01-19 15:53:03 <davout> i just got some edge in the bitcoin ponzi scheme
1416 2011-01-19 15:53:03 <TheAncientGoat> Diablo-D3: Yup, who needs food when semen sustains
1417 2011-01-19 15:53:28 <davout> http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/natural-harvest---a-collection-of-semen-based-recipes/5198959
1418 2011-01-19 15:53:32 <EvanR-work> eventually the second law will get you
1419 2011-01-19 15:53:36 * kiba is busying prying bitcoin out of noagendamarket's hand
1420 2011-01-19 15:53:54 * davout gets some butter
1421 2011-01-19 15:57:38 dishwara has joined
1422 2011-01-19 15:58:21 * EvanR-work gets some guns
1423 2011-01-19 16:02:35 * davout wants to go on vacation to the US just to shoot on shit
1424 2011-01-19 16:03:56 <EvanR-work> a gun nut on facebook tried to convince me that guns should be distributed to everyone in china
1425 2011-01-19 16:04:07 <EvanR-work> it would reduce crime and violence
1426 2011-01-19 16:04:27 <nathan7> lol
1427 2011-01-19 16:05:04 <xelister> EvanR-work: perhaps he is correct
1428 2011-01-19 16:05:26 <EvanR-work> true, he didnt specify how long it would take
1429 2011-01-19 16:05:28 <xelister> EvanR-work: nowdays in china if gov says "GTFO we build new dam/road here" and you start asking for some compensation or something,
1430 2011-01-19 16:05:37 <xelister> they just come at night, get you to prison and kill you
1431 2011-01-19 16:05:53 <EvanR-work> crime committed by the government doesnt count, you know that
1432 2011-01-19 16:05:56 <xelister> would you have a gun, above action could be harder to execute
1433 2011-01-19 16:06:22 <nathan7> If you gives them all nukes, the crime would be over even quicker
1434 2011-01-19 16:06:26 <nathan7> *gave
1435 2011-01-19 16:06:33 <xelister> yeah but in wrong way
1436 2011-01-19 16:06:39 <xelister> nathan7: other extreme is
1437 2011-01-19 16:06:43 <xelister> Put EVERYONE in prison
1438 2011-01-19 16:06:44 <EvanR-work> free markets require the markets to be still standing at the end of the day
1439 2011-01-19 16:06:46 <xelister> why not? 0 crime
1440 2011-01-19 16:06:58 <EvanR-work> yeah, crime occuring in jail also doesnt count
1441 2011-01-19 16:07:03 <xelister> put camera inside every home and on each person (and id-chip everyone) - 0 crime
1442 2011-01-19 16:07:16 <xelister> unless you have something to hide, you have nothing to fear!! ;-)))
1443 2011-01-19 16:07:34 <EvanR-work> big brother doesnt count as crime ;)
1444 2011-01-19 16:07:43 <nathan7> Give everyone some hydrogen cyanide, tuh-dah, crime solved too
1445 2011-01-19 16:07:51 <nathan7> Less nuclear fallout
1446 2011-01-19 16:08:58 <EvanR-work> really its better to talk about violence than crime
1447 2011-01-19 16:09:08 <EvanR-work> crime would require some legal system to be evaluated
1448 2011-01-19 16:09:13 <xelister> indeed
1449 2011-01-19 16:09:23 <EvanR-work> as above, you could consider all that crime or not
1450 2011-01-19 16:09:31 <xelister> USA year 2030: you have sex with just 20 years old child??? OMG PEDOPHILE CRIME
1451 2011-01-19 16:09:43 <xelister> you watched apache killing: OMG TERRORIST
1452 2011-01-19 16:09:49 <EvanR-work> the government has a monopoly on crime and on law, so nothing they do is criminal
1453 2011-01-19 16:09:55 <xelister> voted not for current gov? terrorist too
1454 2011-01-19 16:10:02 <EvanR-work> er monopoly on violence and law
1455 2011-01-19 16:10:14 <xelister> indeed
1456 2011-01-19 16:10:24 <EvanR-work> i had sex with a 23 year old child
1457 2011-01-19 16:10:31 <EvanR-work> and im proud of it
1458 2011-01-19 16:10:32 <xelister> 'child' ofcourse
1459 2011-01-19 16:10:43 <EvanR-work> it was good
1460 2011-01-19 16:10:45 <EvanR-work> lol
1461 2011-01-19 16:10:48 <xelister> Europe 1943 - you given hideout to a Jew (from killing)? OMG CRIiiiimeeeee
1462 2011-01-19 16:11:14 <nathan7> Whoo, Godwin's law taking effect
1463 2011-01-19 16:11:18 <EvanR-work> lol
1464 2011-01-19 16:11:26 <EvanR-work> big brother ~= nazi
1465 2011-01-19 16:12:01 <EvanR-work> so back to decreasing violence, this isnt physically possible
1466 2011-01-19 16:12:14 <EvanR-work> you got asteroids, galactic core blackholes etc
1467 2011-01-19 16:12:15 <nathan7> If world war III would happen during my lifetime, and this country got occupied - I'd either provide hideouts or sabotage stuff
1468 2011-01-19 16:12:21 <EvanR-work> floods
1469 2011-01-19 16:12:24 <EvanR-work> lightning
1470 2011-01-19 16:12:28 <EvanR-work> animal attacks
1471 2011-01-19 16:12:37 <EvanR-work> falling off a clif
1472 2011-01-19 16:12:44 <nathan7> EvanR-work: that's not violence.
1473 2011-01-19 16:12:47 <EvanR-work> why not
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1475 2011-01-19 16:13:06 <nathan7> Where is there a human involved?
1476 2011-01-19 16:13:15 <EvanR-work> no
1477 2011-01-19 16:13:17 <nathan7> Or a sentient being? (except for the animal attacks)
1478 2011-01-19 16:13:20 <Diablo-D3> [10:48:59] <davout> http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/natural-harvest---a-collection-of-semen-based-recipes/5198959
1479 2011-01-19 16:13:23 * Diablo-D3 facepalms
1480 2011-01-19 16:13:29 <EvanR-work> bad nathan7
1481 2011-01-19 16:13:38 <nathan7> Why?
1482 2011-01-19 16:13:44 <nathan7> Diablo-D3: WTF
1483 2011-01-19 16:13:52 <EvanR-work> we should go from general to specific, not the other way around
1484 2011-01-19 16:13:59 <nathan7> Diablo-D3: even worse, imagine rule-34ing that
1485 2011-01-19 16:14:00 <EvanR-work> word violence does have this meaning
1486 2011-01-19 16:14:12 <EvanR-work> only sometimes restricted to person-person
1487 2011-01-19 16:14:55 <TheAncientGoat> Goodness Diablo-D3, you have delivered
1488 2011-01-19 16:15:09 <EvanR-work> wow
1489 2011-01-19 16:16:11 <Diablo-D3> nathan7: erm, doesnt it technically rule 34 itself?
1490 2011-01-19 16:16:33 <Diablo-D3> I mean, how many chicks do you know enjoy swallowing
1491 2011-01-19 16:16:35 * Diablo-D3 knows a few
1492 2011-01-19 16:16:46 <Diablo-D3> they like it fresh from the tap, so to speak
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1494 2011-01-19 16:17:10 <EvanR-work> bitcrude
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1497 2011-01-19 16:20:43 <nathan7> Diablo-D3: I don't, but that might be related to my age
1498 2011-01-19 16:21:41 <Diablo-D3> well yeah
1499 2011-01-19 16:21:44 <Diablo-D3> you're 7
1500 2011-01-19 16:21:48 <Diablo-D3> wait another 7 years
1501 2011-01-19 16:22:05 <nathan7> No
1502 2011-01-19 16:22:07 <nathan7> I'm 15.
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1505 2011-01-19 16:27:49 <davout> Diablo-D3: french culinary refinement is unlimited
1506 2011-01-19 16:28:40 <nathan7> :o
1507 2011-01-19 16:30:43 <slush> ;;bc,poolstats
1508 2011-01-19 16:30:44 <gribble> {"round_probability": 31.48, "hashes_ps": 20367491366, "shares": 6971, "active_workers": 358, "round_duration": "0:24:30", "round_started": "2011-01-19 16:01:44", "getwork_ps": 116}
1509 2011-01-19 16:30:57 <slush> firstly over 20ghash, yes :)
1510 2011-01-19 16:31:15 * davout throws 500 mh/s at slush
1511 2011-01-19 16:31:16 <xelister> what the fuck Semen based??? ;)
1512 2011-01-19 16:31:45 <davout> fucking is usually semen based
1513 2011-01-19 16:32:10 <xelister> Semen is inexpensive to produce and is commonly available in many, if not most, homes and restaurants. lol woot?
1514 2011-01-19 16:32:35 <slush> davout: nice :)
1515 2011-01-19 16:33:18 <nathan7> xelister: wtf
1516 2011-01-19 16:33:35 <davout> nathan7: http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/natural-harvest---a-collection-of-semen-based-recipes/5198959
1517 2011-01-19 16:33:38 <xelister> nathan7: ^
1518 2011-01-19 16:34:10 <nathan7> I saw
1519 2011-01-19 16:34:14 <nathan7> Still wtfous
1520 2011-01-19 16:34:17 <Diablo-D3> nathan7: and you're still a virgin?
1521 2011-01-19 16:34:19 <Diablo-D3> wtf dude
1522 2011-01-19 16:34:20 <Diablo-D3> get laid
1523 2011-01-19 16:34:30 <nathan7> ..
1524 2011-01-19 16:34:39 <nathan7> http://nathan7.eu/stuff/propeller.jpg <-- me
1525 2011-01-19 16:34:48 <nathan7> and it's not even shopped except for the caption
1526 2011-01-19 16:35:05 <xelister> >_>
1527 2011-01-19 16:35:12 <xelister> seriously bitcoin2hookers
1528 2011-01-19 16:35:15 <xelister> .com
1529 2011-01-19 16:35:18 <nathan7> lol
1530 2011-01-19 16:35:31 <Diablo-D3> thats not a geek culture hat is it?
1531 2011-01-19 16:36:08 <nathan7> I made it for the lulz
1532 2011-01-19 16:36:24 <nathan7> it has a motor and a li-ion battery I found in my room
1533 2011-01-19 16:36:30 <nathan7> well, had, I'm not sure where it went
1534 2011-01-19 16:36:31 <xelister> :o
1535 2011-01-19 16:36:37 <nathan7> and a propeller blade broke off
1536 2011-01-19 16:36:48 <xelister> if fly off to a better place
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1538 2011-01-19 16:38:01 <nathan7> hmm
1539 2011-01-19 16:38:12 <nathan7> I was thinking about make an actually function UFO-y thing
1540 2011-01-19 16:38:19 <nathan7> *functioning
1541 2011-01-19 16:38:29 <Diablo-D3> seriously though
1542 2011-01-19 16:38:31 <Diablo-D3> you could get laid
1543 2011-01-19 16:38:32 <nathan7> (and that, kids, is why sleep deprivation is annoying as hell)
1544 2011-01-19 16:38:35 <nathan7> Diablo-D3: nah.
1545 2011-01-19 16:38:39 <Diablo-D3> you're like only half ugly
1546 2011-01-19 16:38:43 <Diablo-D3> not even ugly really, just plain
1547 2011-01-19 16:38:59 <Diablo-D3> so if you have a medium or large sized dick and know how to get a chick off, you will breeze through high school
1548 2011-01-19 16:39:11 <nathan7> Average amount of sentences exchanged with girls a day: under one.
1549 2011-01-19 16:39:35 <Diablo-D3> thats your problem
1550 2011-01-19 16:39:38 <Diablo-D3> dont show fear
1551 2011-01-19 16:39:39 <xelister> nathan7: get hookerz
1552 2011-01-19 16:39:41 <Diablo-D3> because there is nothing to fear
1553 2011-01-19 16:39:45 <Diablo-D3> the worst they can do is reject you
1554 2011-01-19 16:39:53 <Diablo-D3> which its their loss
1555 2011-01-19 16:39:56 <xelister> there is nothing to fear BESIDES THE FEAT ITSELF
1556 2011-01-19 16:40:04 <Diablo-D3> the pretty chicks are stuck banging jocks, who suck in bed
1557 2011-01-19 16:41:44 <nathan7> Whatever
1558 2011-01-19 16:41:46 <nanotube> slush: wow, congrats on breaking the 20ghps mark :)
1559 2011-01-19 16:43:05 <Diablo-D3> wait
1560 2011-01-19 16:43:08 <Diablo-D3> art only has like 20
1561 2011-01-19 16:43:13 <Diablo-D3> we finally caught up
1562 2011-01-19 16:43:19 <Diablo-D3> nathan7: Im giving you sage advice here, dont whatever me
1563 2011-01-19 16:43:28 <Diablo-D3> nathan7: I, too, was once a geeky kid in school
1564 2011-01-19 16:43:36 <nanotube> Diablo-D3: art has 17.x
1565 2011-01-19 16:44:34 <nathan7> Diablo-D3: hmm
1566 2011-01-19 16:44:54 <davout> Diablo-D3: and now you simply got out of school XD
1567 2011-01-19 16:48:02 <slush> looks like some big guy connected the pool, 21.5ghash
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1570 2011-01-19 16:50:13 <davout> davout + statistical variance = big guy XD
1571 2011-01-19 16:50:21 <andrew12^school> hihi
1572 2011-01-19 16:50:30 <sipa> slush: another possible useful statistic: average expected time between blocks
1573 2011-01-19 16:50:55 <andrew12^school> cool, mtgox isnt blocked at school
1574 2011-01-19 16:51:10 <andrew12^school> though i'm not going to log in and use it, because i don't trust the network here
1575 2011-01-19 16:51:15 <slush> sipa: it is when 'shares in round' is on current difficulty
1576 2011-01-19 16:51:21 <slush> sipa: it's an average
1577 2011-01-19 16:51:24 <andrew12^school> as with paypal :p
1578 2011-01-19 16:51:26 <sipa> i know
1579 2011-01-19 16:53:09 <sipa> but just (2**32 * difficulty) / pool_hashes_per_second gives you a nice number :)
1580 2011-01-19 16:53:35 <davout> andrew: doesn't mtg have ssl ?
1581 2011-01-19 16:53:55 <davout> yes it does
1582 2011-01-19 16:54:03 <davout> IT'S EVEN SIGNED BY GODADDY WOOHOO
1583 2011-01-19 16:54:24 <andrew12^school> oh it does?
1584 2011-01-19 16:54:30 <davout> also fuck, my imaginary money stack has just melted by 25% :/
1585 2011-01-19 16:54:36 <andrew12^school> i'll ues that then =D
1586 2011-01-19 16:54:45 <davout> yea, as in type-https-in-front-of-the-address :)
1587 2011-01-19 16:54:51 <andrew12^school> :p
1588 2011-01-19 16:54:57 <andrew12^school> cool
1589 2011-01-19 16:55:36 <andrew12^school> IE can't show the graphs on the site :(
1590 2011-01-19 16:56:06 <sipa> download a browser?
1591 2011-01-19 16:56:11 <davout> because it lacks excanvas.js
1592 2011-01-19 16:56:23 <davout> right click save page
1593 2011-01-19 16:56:28 <davout> edit page with notepad
1594 2011-01-19 16:56:36 <davout> check bitcoin centrals source code
1595 2011-01-19 16:56:48 <davout> copy paste the line including excanvas.js
1596 2011-01-19 16:56:56 <davout> open saved page in IE
1597 2011-01-19 16:56:57 <davout> profit
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1599 2011-01-19 17:04:03 <andrew12^school> sipa: i can't download any other browsers on this pc
1600 2011-01-19 17:04:08 <andrew12^school> davout: too lazy :p
1601 2011-01-19 17:12:03 <TheAncientGoat> kiba: Round?
1602 2011-01-19 17:12:07 <brocktice> nathan7: Something tells me Diablo-D3 should not be your go-to guy for dating advice.
1603 2011-01-19 17:12:11 <kiba> TheAncientGoat: what?
1604 2011-01-19 17:12:20 <TheAncientGoat> Your forum sig points to the forums
1605 2011-01-19 17:12:25 <kiba> yes
1606 2011-01-19 17:12:28 <TheAncientGoat> freegamer.blogspot.com is better
1607 2011-01-19 17:12:29 <kiba> what's wrong with that?
1608 2011-01-19 17:12:32 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: I got laid using that exact advice.
1609 2011-01-19 17:12:34 * kiba sigh
1610 2011-01-19 17:12:39 <TheAncientGoat> Because no one wants a link to the forums :P
1611 2011-01-19 17:12:43 <Diablo-D3> brocktice: there is no reason for someone to be afraid of girls
1612 2011-01-19 17:12:45 <TheAncientGoat> The blog is more loved
1613 2011-01-19 17:12:46 <Diablo-D3> they're just _girls_
1614 2011-01-19 17:12:52 <brocktice> Well, just trying and showing no fear is good
1615 2011-01-19 17:12:55 <brocktice> it's a numbers game
1616 2011-01-19 17:12:57 <Diablo-D3> whats the worst they can do, cry when you stick it in because its their first time?
1617 2011-01-19 17:13:08 <nathan7> brocktice: mhm
1618 2011-01-19 17:13:12 <brocktice> Also reveling in geekiness and intentionally making yourself an outcast doesn't help
1619 2011-01-19 17:13:37 <nathan7> Diablo-D3: ..yes, so? They're *humans*
1620 2011-01-19 17:13:57 <brocktice> Nice guys = last for values of nice approaching shy saps with no self esteem / courage
1621 2011-01-19 17:14:08 <andrew12^school> nathan7: they are?!
1622 2011-01-19 17:14:14 <Diablo-D3> nathan7: so?
1623 2011-01-19 17:14:18 <brocktice> Diablo-D3: but yes I stand corrected, it is good advice from you
1624 2011-01-19 17:14:30 <Diablo-D3> also, this whole nice guy shit is shit
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1626 2011-01-19 17:14:42 <brocktice> Yes that is my point
1627 2011-01-19 17:14:53 <Diablo-D3> theres a difference between being a nice guy that everyone walks all over and not being an asshole
1628 2011-01-19 17:15:01 <brocktice> exactly
1629 2011-01-19 17:15:03 <Diablo-D3> chicks dont like assholes, contrary to popular opinion
1630 2011-01-19 17:15:06 <Diablo-D3> they just like backbones
1631 2011-01-19 17:15:14 <brocktice> and assholes tend to have backbones
1632 2011-01-19 17:15:18 <Diablo-D3> yes
1633 2011-01-19 17:15:23 <Diablo-D3> but assholes also have tiny dicks
1634 2011-01-19 17:15:32 <Diablo-D3> so theres a problem
1635 2011-01-19 17:15:44 <Diablo-D3> what they want is a backbone and a big dick.
1636 2011-01-19 17:15:52 <andrew12^school> err...
1637 2011-01-19 17:15:57 <brocktice> :)
1638 2011-01-19 17:16:08 <brocktice> Approximately correct in my experience
1639 2011-01-19 17:16:25 <brocktice> more to it of course
1640 2011-01-19 17:16:30 <brocktice> but that's the essence
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1646 2011-01-19 17:23:41 <nathan7> hmm
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1649 2011-01-19 17:27:14 <nathan7> Diablo-D3: But to be honest, I can't be bothered.
1650 2011-01-19 17:27:30 <nathan7> Diablo-D3: All the girls here seem to be stupid.
1651 2011-01-19 17:27:38 <Diablo-D3> Ahh
1652 2011-01-19 17:27:42 <Diablo-D3> I totally understand you, little bro
1653 2011-01-19 17:27:57 <Diablo-D3> But out there, however rare, are geek chicks
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1655 2011-01-19 17:29:05 <nathan7> mhm
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1657 2011-01-19 17:29:54 <Diablo-D3> delicious geek chicks with long hair and thin rimmed glasses
1658 2011-01-19 17:30:03 <nathan7> heh.
1659 2011-01-19 17:30:04 <Diablo-D3> and if you're lucky, they'll be wearing nothing but the glasses.
1660 2011-01-19 17:30:13 * nathan7 grins
1661 2011-01-19 17:30:14 <lucky> sadly, he is not.
1662 2011-01-19 17:30:30 * nathan7 nods
1663 2011-01-19 17:30:38 <nathan7> Well, I haven't seen any geek girls out here.
1664 2011-01-19 17:31:21 <theymos> Were there any changes between 0.3.15 and the current version that would cause RPC delays? Previously RPC queries were never taking longer than a second, but now they regularly take 2+ seconds for me.
1665 2011-01-19 17:32:05 <Diablo-D3> well, its not an issue of luck
1666 2011-01-19 17:32:10 <Diablo-D3> the rarity in of itself fucks you
1667 2011-01-19 17:32:21 <Diablo-D3> but when you do find one, get the rope.
1668 2011-01-19 17:32:37 <nanotube> to hang yourself?
1669 2011-01-19 17:32:38 <nanotube> hah
1670 2011-01-19 17:32:58 <nanotube> theymos: only thing i see in the changelogs (not commit logs) is the addition of accounts-based stuff to rpc
1671 2011-01-19 17:33:11 <Diablo-D3> nanotube: no you twit
1672 2011-01-19 17:33:16 <Diablo-D3> for kinky sex, obviously
1673 2011-01-19 17:33:29 <nanotube> Diablo-D3: so like i said, to hang yourself... :P
1674 2011-01-19 17:35:04 <Diablo-D3> hurr
1675 2011-01-19 17:37:33 <tcatm> theymos: What client are you using for RPC?
1676 2011-01-19 17:37:48 <theymos> nanotube: I've only seen the error in getdifficulty/getblockcount queries, which makes me think it's not that. (The error gribble has seen about not being able to connect to JSON-RPC was due to an expired timeout due to this issue...)
1677 2011-01-19 17:38:10 <theymos> tcatm: I wrote my own in PHP.
1678 2011-01-19 17:38:29 <nathan7> hurr durr
1679 2011-01-19 17:38:29 <tcatm> Does it close the connection after each request?
1680 2011-01-19 17:38:48 <nathan7> Diablo-D3: but girls aren't even remotely attracted to me
1681 2011-01-19 17:38:53 <nathan7> They seem to avoid me
1682 2011-01-19 17:39:22 <nathan7> They also seem to be attracted to the sexistic retards who make up most of my class
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1684 2011-01-19 17:39:29 <theymos> tcatm: No. Doesn't Bitcoin close the connection?
1685 2011-01-19 17:39:32 <nanotube> nathan7: lucky you. they're all only in it for the money. :P
1686 2011-01-19 17:40:27 <nathan7> nanotube: heh
1687 2011-01-19 17:40:27 <tcatm> theymos: No, it's HTTP server is broken. Had a lot of problems with stalling connections when writing js-remote.
1688 2011-01-19 17:40:40 <nathan7> nanotube: They seem to be just plain stupid
1689 2011-01-19 17:40:50 <nanotube> nathan7: well, double-lucky you, then. :D
1690 2011-01-19 17:41:09 <nanotube> tcatm: is that fixed in git yet?
1691 2011-01-19 17:41:16 <Diablo-D3> nathan7: well, see, chicks your age
1692 2011-01-19 17:41:18 <Diablo-D3> they dont get guys yet
1693 2011-01-19 17:41:25 <Diablo-D3> and their vaginas are itching for something to fill it
1694 2011-01-19 17:41:36 <Diablo-D3> so they get confused
1695 2011-01-19 17:41:54 <theymos> tcatm: I see. I will try explicitly closing the connection. Thanks.
1696 2011-01-19 17:43:03 <tcatm> Mhm. bitcoincharts down?
1697 2011-01-19 17:43:47 <nathan7> nanotube: Why?
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1699 2011-01-19 17:44:28 <nanotube> nathan7: well, they're only in it for the money, but too stupid to figure out how to get it from you. win for you.
1700 2011-01-19 17:44:35 <nanotube> hehe
1701 2011-01-19 17:45:21 <nathan7> lol
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1704 2011-01-19 17:56:22 <dishwara> hi
1705 2011-01-19 17:56:40 <dishwara> 1 Mhahs/s = haw many khash/s?
1706 2011-01-19 17:57:13 <dishwara> 1 mhash/s = how many khash/s ?
1707 2011-01-19 17:57:31 <Teppy1> Anyone here happen to go to Burning Man? Tickets go on sale in 6 minutes :D
1708 2011-01-19 17:57:57 <theymos> dishwara: 1000.
1709 2011-01-19 17:58:32 <dishwara> so i can say 2400 khash/s = 2 mhash/s ?
1710 2011-01-19 17:58:43 <dishwara> 2.4 mhash/s
1711 2011-01-19 17:59:06 <theymos> Yes.
1712 2011-01-19 18:00:54 <dishwara> tnks
1713 2011-01-19 18:08:19 <EvanR-work> 1 mhash is 0.000001 khash
1714 2011-01-19 18:08:50 <EvanR-work> stop talking about millihashes!
1715 2011-01-19 18:15:55 <dishwara> what?
1716 2011-01-19 18:16:17 <dishwara> http://pastebin.com/AvymGnMJ
1717 2011-01-19 18:17:13 <dishwara> here mentioned as 9400gt can give 3.7Mhash/s that can be only true if it is 3700Khash/s
1718 2011-01-19 18:17:35 <dishwara> coz i am getting 2400khash/s for 55omhz
1719 2011-01-19 18:17:42 <theymos> He's joking. Lowercase "m" is the SI prefix for "milli". You mean "mega", which properly uses uppercase "M".
1720 2011-01-19 18:17:44 <dishwara> 550Mhz
1721 2011-01-19 18:18:01 <dishwara> oh ok
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1725 2011-01-19 18:24:11 <TheAncientGoat> Guys, anyone remember that site where you could ask questions for bitcoins?
1726 2011-01-19 18:26:24 <TheAncientGoat> Diablo-D3: ^
1727 2011-01-19 18:26:25 <xelister> !ggl questions for bitcoins
1728 2011-01-19 18:26:30 <xelister> ;;ggl questions for bitcoins
1729 2011-01-19 18:26:30 <gribble> Error: "ggl" is not a valid command.
1730 2011-01-19 18:26:44 <TheAncientGoat> xelister: Already did
1731 2011-01-19 18:27:09 <TheAncientGoat> No google result
1732 2011-01-19 18:27:35 <TheAncientGoat> Sometimes meat is better than google
1733 2011-01-19 18:27:43 <TheAncientGoat> Now, where's my answer :P
1734 2011-01-19 18:27:47 <Phoebus> Hello bitcoiners.
1735 2011-01-19 18:28:29 <EvanR-work> dammit i cant get on bitcoincharts
1736 2011-01-19 18:29:19 <theymos> TheAncientGoat: I think you're thinking of http://witcoin.com/ , though the site has changed significantly since the first version.
1737 2011-01-19 18:30:08 bitanarchy has joined
1738 2011-01-19 18:30:36 <TheAncientGoat> theymos: Thaanks
1739 2011-01-19 18:32:11 <bitanarchy> The mtgox website does not say anything about bitcoin withdraw free's. What is the fee?
1740 2011-01-19 18:33:11 <[Noodles]> there is no fee to send/withdraw bitcoins
1741 2011-01-19 18:33:47 <xelister> bitanarchy: btw, #bitcoin-otc is interesting alternative
1742 2011-01-19 18:35:47 <bitanarchy> xelister: do you get a market conform price at bitcoin-otc?
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1745 2011-01-19 18:36:36 <xelister> bitanarchy: join there and ask around / see topic etc.
1746 2011-01-19 18:37:34 <bitanarchy> What is your experience with bitcoin-central?
1747 2011-01-19 18:37:54 <luke-jr> bitcoin comign down â¹
1748 2011-01-19 18:38:13 jav has joined
1749 2011-01-19 18:38:52 <jav> do I need a specific version of Berkeley db to compile the current bitcoin sources? if so, which one?
1750 2011-01-19 18:39:10 <luke-jr> 4.8 works for me
1751 2011-01-19 18:39:33 <luke-jr> jav: lp:~luke-jr/+junk/bitcoin-tonal is easier to build if you want
1752 2011-01-19 18:39:34 <gavinandresen> jav: see the build-foo.txt file (where foo us unix/windows/mac)
1753 2011-01-19 18:39:39 <theymos> 4.7 is recommended by build-unix.txt.
1754 2011-01-19 18:39:47 * luke-jr could never get the Makefile hacks to work
1755 2011-01-19 18:40:41 <jav> I'm on Debian and trying with 4.8 as well... but true, I haven't really understood the build system yet, either
1756 2011-01-19 18:41:14 <jav> gavinandresen, thx, hadn't noticed that
1757 2011-01-19 18:44:18 <x6763> i see that i can lookup a block in blkindex.dat by the block's hash, but can i look it up by the block number, or would i have to create my own index?
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1759 2011-01-19 18:45:33 <gavinandresen> x6763: you'd have to create your own index. The block number --> block relationship changes when a block-chain re-org is done.
1760 2011-01-19 18:45:56 <x6763> gavinandresen: ah, i see, thanks
1761 2011-01-19 18:51:09 <nanotube> jav: fwiw, 4.8 worked for me. but you will have a tiny bit of trouble (have to delete database/* log files) if you try to go back to precompiled releases which use 4.7.
1762 2011-01-19 18:53:54 <jav> nanotube, thx.. I read something similar in the Debian Bitcoin ITP request logs ... I'll just use 4.7 for now, but will keep that in mind
1763 2011-01-19 18:57:01 <jav> I'm interested in modifying bitcoind in such a way, that I can easily get notified about new transactions and blocks happening on the network... I don't care about confirmations, I just want to see what is happening on the whole network in terms of new transactions and blocks ... any suggestions what would be a good starting point? I'm looking at your monitor branch on git right now, gavinandresen - thx for putting it up!
1764 2011-01-19 18:58:01 <ArtForz> well, it's not over RPC, but check out my python half-a-node
1765 2011-01-19 18:58:26 <jav> where can I find that?
1766 2011-01-19 18:58:30 <ArtForz> sec
1767 2011-01-19 18:58:46 <jgarzik> http://pastebin.com/ZSM7iHZw
1768 2011-01-19 18:58:51 <jgarzik> jav: ^^
1769 2011-01-19 18:58:54 <ArtForz> yep
1770 2011-01-19 18:59:10 <jav> cool, thx
1771 2011-01-19 18:59:34 <ArtForz> it's pretty exactly what I wrote it for
1772 2011-01-19 18:59:55 <jav> is that what powers #bitcoin-monitor as well?
1773 2011-01-19 19:00:04 <tcatm> jav: yep
1774 2011-01-19 19:00:23 <jav> nice
1775 2011-01-19 19:03:39 <Diablo-D3> [01:19:41] <TheAncientGoat> Guys, anyone remember that site where you could ask questions for bitcoins?
1776 2011-01-19 19:03:39 <Diablo-D3> [01:21:54] <TheAncientGoat> Diablo-D3: ^
1777 2011-01-19 19:03:40 <Diablo-D3> dunno
1778 2011-01-19 19:03:52 <TheAncientGoat> Found it, witcoin
1779 2011-01-19 19:03:59 <TheAncientGoat> Which isn't exactly what I thought it was
1780 2011-01-19 19:04:00 <TheAncientGoat> but anyhow
1781 2011-01-19 19:04:35 <jav> gavinandresen, your monitor patch only matches on transactions that belong to the client, right? .. would it be difficult to change that to all transactions?
1782 2011-01-19 19:04:39 <nanotube> TheAncientGoat: you can ask questions for bitcoins here too.
1783 2011-01-19 19:04:49 <nanotube> TheAncientGoat: send me 1 bitcoin, and you can ask me a question. :P
1784 2011-01-19 19:05:01 <zygf> does anyone know what window are the high/low values of mtgox's ticker calculated over?
1785 2011-01-19 19:05:12 <nanotube> zygf: 24hrs afaik
1786 2011-01-19 19:05:12 <TheAncientGoat> And if I'm not happy with the answer? :P
1787 2011-01-19 19:05:37 <nanotube> TheAncientGoat: i suppose i can give you a refund, minus 10% handling fee. hehe
1788 2011-01-19 19:05:44 <gavinandresen> jav: no, not hard. Old versions of monitorreceived let you monitor any address.
1789 2011-01-19 19:06:41 <TheAncientGoat> nanotube: What if I'm secretly happy with the answer but say I'm not? }:D
1790 2011-01-19 19:06:43 <jav> gavinandresen.. so just remove that check "if (params.empty()) return"? and that's all?
1791 2011-01-19 19:07:32 <gavinandresen> jav: nope, if the transaction isn't in your wallet you have to fetch it from the transaction database on disk. And you'll need a different ToJSON routine, because wallet transactions have extra information stored with them.
1792 2011-01-19 19:08:02 <nanotube> TheAncientGoat: then you will go to sleep for the rest of your life with the thought of your cheating torturing you, etc etc. ;)
1793 2011-01-19 19:08:12 <bitanarchy> Was there a fee on bitcoin micropayments?
1794 2011-01-19 19:08:25 <nanotube> bitanarchy: yea for input/output < 0.01
1795 2011-01-19 19:08:36 <jav> gavinandresen: oh, I see, makes sense
1796 2011-01-19 19:08:39 <nanotube> or maybe is it only for output.
1797 2011-01-19 19:08:53 <nanotube> ;;bc,wiki transaction fee
1798 2011-01-19 19:08:53 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fees | Dec 19, 2010 ... Transaction fees may be included with any transfer of bitcoins from one address to another. At the moment, many transactions are typically ...
1799 2011-01-19 19:08:56 <nanotube> bitanarchy: --^
1800 2011-01-19 19:09:13 <theymos> nanotube: Yeah; just outputs. Gribble's donation address has sent transactions with sub-0.01 inputs, in fact.
1801 2011-01-19 19:09:28 <TheAncientGoat> nanotube: Or the thought of how clever I am ;)
1802 2011-01-19 19:09:29 <zygf> nanotude: thanks
1803 2011-01-19 19:09:33 <nanotube> theymos: ah nice :)
1804 2011-01-19 19:09:44 <nanotube> zygf: np
1805 2011-01-19 19:09:52 <bitanarchy> Didn't mtgox ask fees for bitcoin withdraws in the past?
1806 2011-01-19 19:09:54 <nanotube> TheAncientGoat: i guess that's possible too. :)
1807 2011-01-19 19:09:58 <nanotube> bitanarchy: nope
1808 2011-01-19 19:10:03 <nanotube> not that i'm aware of
1809 2011-01-19 19:10:14 <nanotube> only for usd withdrawals
1810 2011-01-19 19:10:49 <nanotube> TheAncientGoat: either way, you'll not be able to go to sleep, and your insomnia will shave years off your life. just not worth it for 1 btc. :D
1811 2011-01-19 19:11:14 <gavinandresen> jav: old code that might be useful: https://github.com/gavinandresen/bitcoin-git/blob/9cd94d3593d7bcd7847379422398d8bb15fdf479/rpc.cpp#L772
1812 2011-01-19 19:11:49 <jav> gavinandresen, cool, thx
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1816 2011-01-19 19:18:55 <gigitrix> who runs www.bitcoinjobs.com?
1817 2011-01-19 19:19:09 <gigitrix> woah did I just kill it? I'm new at IRC lol
1818 2011-01-19 19:21:26 <gigitrix> oh also, why has mtgox price gone so low since it was 0.4 a while back? Did someone dump a load of coins?
1819 2011-01-19 19:26:01 <luke-jr> how long do I wait after sending PayPal, before complaining I didn't get my bitcoins yet? :P
1820 2011-01-19 19:26:40 <luke-jr> can I back out since the value has dropped like 3 cents since I bought?
1821 2011-01-19 19:27:08 <gigitrix> yeah what's up with that?
1822 2011-01-19 19:27:18 <gigitrix> did Artz dump his stock or something :p
1823 2011-01-19 19:28:07 <tcatm> ne0futur: ping?
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1825 2011-01-19 19:31:36 jgarzik has left ("Client exiting")
1826 2011-01-19 19:31:39 <Diablo-D3> http://livingsocial.com/deals/21336?ref=conf-jp&rpi=4419901
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1828 2011-01-19 19:31:44 <Diablo-D3> http://livingsocial.com/deals/21336?ref=conf-jp&rpi=4419901
1829 2011-01-19 19:31:55 <Diablo-D3> $20 amazon gc for $10
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1832 2011-01-19 19:34:58 <gigitrix> Oh no! Biomike beat me to my ad network idea :'(
1833 2011-01-19 19:35:11 <gigitrix> http://www.operationfabulous.com/
1834 2011-01-19 19:35:48 <Diablo-D3> so its....
1835 2011-01-19 19:35:53 <Diablo-D3> project wonderful done wrong?
1836 2011-01-19 19:36:06 <gigitrix> what's up with it?
1837 2011-01-19 19:36:35 <EvanR-work> hahaha
1838 2011-01-19 19:37:05 <gigitrix> well design obviously isn't prime time i'll give you that...
1839 2011-01-19 19:38:41 <Diablo-D3> http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/19/compulab-fit-pc3-offers-dual-core-amd-power-in-a-case-less-than/
1840 2011-01-19 19:38:44 <Diablo-D3> I came
1841 2011-01-19 19:39:07 <gigitrix> ...bit I was working on this :'( http://i.imgur.com/03Ipp.png
1842 2011-01-19 19:39:15 <gigitrix> but*
1843 2011-01-19 19:42:36 <Diablo-D3> who the fuck is miner?
1844 2011-01-19 19:44:35 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: it's 7 days if you're using exchangezone.
1845 2011-01-19 19:47:02 <gigitrix> Right guys, I've decided i'm still going to make my ad network thingy despite alternatives existing
1846 2011-01-19 19:47:51 <gigitrix> I need some beta testers though, if you are interested please let me know
1847 2011-01-19 19:48:45 <gigitrix> there will be "free" ad credits during the beta so it won't cost owt, and bug finders will be incentivised with small (tiny) bitcoin donations
1848 2011-01-19 19:48:54 <gavinandresen> Somebody's experimenting on the -testnet: ERROR: nonstandard txin: 1 OP_RETURN
1849 2011-01-19 19:59:49 <OneFixt> http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/tx/87d956d9d05429bb044a279e0d7efdb9933d816a22584f777c1f0beeb2a63663
1850 2011-01-19 19:59:52 <OneFixt> where did the fee come from?
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1852 2011-01-19 20:01:15 <OneFixt> ah, nvm
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1854 2011-01-19 20:08:12 <andrew12> home
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1857 2011-01-19 20:27:01 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: BitCoin Market
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1860 2011-01-19 20:29:37 <andrew12_> bsod :<
1861 2011-01-19 20:41:26 <EvanR-work> where the hell is bitcoincharts
1862 2011-01-19 20:42:40 <jgarzik> ?
1863 2011-01-19 20:43:02 <EvanR-work> down for everyone or just me?
1864 2011-01-19 20:43:30 <EvanR-work> (tm)
1865 2011-01-19 20:43:30 <edcba> there is a website for that
1866 2011-01-19 20:43:39 <EvanR-work> yeah its called irc
1867 2011-01-19 20:43:48 <andrew12_> or, of course, downforeveryoneorjustme.com
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1869 2011-01-19 20:44:12 <tcatm> EvanR-work: down, I'm busy fixing it
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1871 2011-01-19 20:45:14 <lyspooner> tcatm-- in the info bar in the upper right, can you add Blocks Until Next Difficulty
1872 2011-01-19 20:46:29 <tcatm> first I need to get new hosting + site up again
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1874 2011-01-19 20:50:51 <lyspooner> that's a shame, your site is my one-stop-shop for the latest bitcoin stats
1875 2011-01-19 20:51:16 <tcatm> I'll add network statistics soon
1876 2011-01-19 20:51:25 <tcatm> incl. pretty graphs :)
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1880 2011-01-19 20:54:58 <bitanarchy> Does bitcoinmarket not ask any transaction fees?
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1883 2011-01-19 20:58:52 <Keefe> bitanarchy: at bitcoinmarket, the movement of money is done by the traders, not the exchange, and any fees (LR 1%, PP cross-border, etc) are expected to be paid by the buyer
1884 2011-01-19 20:59:31 <ArtForz> yeah, except nearly nobody seems to follow that rule for LR$ :/
1885 2011-01-19 21:02:58 <ArtForz> well, maybe 10% of buyers do, and even then usually "improperly"
1886 2011-01-19 21:03:03 <tcatm> EvanR-work: bitcoincharts.com is up again
1887 2011-01-19 21:03:07 <EvanR-work> great
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1889 2011-01-19 21:03:26 <EvanR-work> ive been pressing refresh once every 3 seconds for the last few hours
1890 2011-01-19 21:03:51 <andrew12^mac> ahh, i found it. ruby's String#unpack returns an array, and Array#pack returns a string. this is how you do stuff with binary data in ruby.
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1892 2011-01-19 21:04:29 <andrew12^mac> http://www.ruby-doc.org/core/classes/Array.html#M000206
1893 2011-01-19 21:04:30 <andrew12^mac> yay me
1894 2011-01-19 21:04:57 <EvanR-work> strings are used for binary data in ruby?
1895 2011-01-19 21:05:05 <EvanR-work> how does that work
1896 2011-01-19 21:05:08 <andrew12^mac> strings are used for binary data in python too
1897 2011-01-19 21:05:09 <tcatm> EvanR-work: yeah, server went down, had to rent a new VPS
1898 2011-01-19 21:05:19 <EvanR-work> yes... python......
1899 2011-01-19 21:05:35 <ArtForz> ssssssss
1900 2011-01-19 21:05:37 <EvanR-work> characters with codepoint greater than 255 means?
1901 2011-01-19 21:05:44 <EvanR-work> sounds like a hack
1902 2011-01-19 21:05:49 <ArtForz> well, supposedly thats gonna change in python 3000
1903 2011-01-19 21:05:50 <andrew12^mac> EvanR-work: the highest number you can get in 1 byte is 255
1904 2011-01-19 21:06:14 <EvanR-work> thats true, but were talking about strings, not bytes or array of bytes
1905 2011-01-19 21:06:26 <andrew12^mac> EvanR-work: a single character in a string is 1 byte
1906 2011-01-19 21:06:42 <andrew12^mac> lern2ascii
1907 2011-01-19 21:07:05 <andrew12^mac> it's honestly not important what they are. what's important is that i know how to do what i'm trying to do now
1908 2011-01-19 21:07:06 <arcatan> EvanR-work: Strings in Ruby used to be just arrays of bytes
1909 2011-01-19 21:07:31 <arcatan> though I think that was supposed to be chaged and by now the change probably has happened
1910 2011-01-19 21:08:02 <ArtForz> yep, imo seperating string and byteblob makes sense
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1912 2011-01-19 21:08:15 <arcatan> sure
1913 2011-01-19 21:08:16 <andrew12^mac> yeah
1914 2011-01-19 21:08:32 <ArtForz> makes dealing with string encodings a lot more obvious
1915 2011-01-19 21:09:09 <bitanarchy> ArtForz: LR subtracts 1% of the money that is received. So that means that the buyer must pay a 101% to comply to this BM rule.
1916 2011-01-19 21:09:15 <ArtForz> yep
1917 2011-01-19 21:09:32 <ArtForz> well, actually 101.010101... %
1918 2011-01-19 21:10:07 <ArtForz> but hell, I'd be already f*in happy if people would send 101%
1919 2011-01-19 21:10:09 <EvanR-work> arcatan: doesnt sound very international
1920 2011-01-19 21:10:31 <EvanR-work> characters and bytes are two quite different animals
1921 2011-01-19 21:10:35 <ArtForz> yep
1922 2011-01-19 21:10:40 <ArtForz> especially with unicode
1923 2011-01-19 21:11:14 <arcatan> EvanR-work: yeah, rubyists figured that out too
1924 2011-01-19 21:11:23 <bitanarchy> ArtForz: So if someone pays 100% and not 101%, then you should not confirm.... what will happen then?
1925 2011-01-19 21:12:26 <ArtForz> proper way: seller contacts dwdollar
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1927 2011-01-19 21:13:30 <ArtForz> gives him LR from/to/... info + batch ID, DW can check on the public LR interface that the amount sent wasnt correct, dw contacts buyer, buyer sends remaining 1%
1928 2011-01-19 21:13:52 <ArtForz> easy way: sellers already know that nobody follows the rule and just price their bitcoins 1% higher to start with
1929 2011-01-19 21:14:06 <andrew12^mac> http://pastie.org/1478647 -- whee!
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1931 2011-01-19 21:16:14 <ArtForz> I honestly don't mind much if buyers "forget" the 1% fee, 1% LR fees is still a lot better than 0.65% trade + 1% payout + 1% LR fees on mtgox
1932 2011-01-19 21:19:03 <bitanarchy> ArtForz: So you just take a look at the ask price and you can anticipate whether the seller expects the official 101% or not...
1933 2011-01-19 21:19:25 * andrew12^mac gets distracted and plays with http://pastebin.com/ZSM7iHZw instead
1934 2011-01-19 21:19:58 <genjix> wait can you explain that to me?
1935 2011-01-19 21:20:06 <genjix> how much is LR from the UK?
1936 2011-01-19 21:20:11 <ArtForz> and honestly, I think I prefer BC over bcm
1937 2011-01-19 21:20:26 <Keefe> LR costs 1% regardless of location
1938 2011-01-19 21:20:30 <ArtForz> yep
1939 2011-01-19 21:20:31 <genjix> kk
1940 2011-01-19 21:20:48 <ArtForz> well, actually it's min(1%, 2.99)
1941 2011-01-19 21:21:02 <genjix> so why not use mtgox direct bank deposit?
1942 2011-01-19 21:21:30 <EvanR-work> how much does that typically cost
1943 2011-01-19 21:21:46 <bitanarchy> The BC spread (ask-bit) is much larger. And the volume of bits and asks is low.
1944 2011-01-19 21:21:57 <ArtForz> well, it's fairly new
1945 2011-01-19 21:22:03 <genjix> EvanR-work: $50
1946 2011-01-19 21:22:21 <necrodearia> Is slush's bitcoin miner server at mining.bitcoin.cz down?
1947 2011-01-19 21:22:24 <EvanR-work> min(1%, 2.99, $50) ;)
1948 2011-01-19 21:23:13 <ArtForz> and I somehow like supporting smaller exchanges
1949 2011-01-19 21:23:54 <Keefe> i wonder if dwdollar (BCM) allows sellers to refuse paypal business payments
1950 2011-01-19 21:23:59 <andrew12^mac> err... ImportError: No module named Crypto.Hash
1951 2011-01-19 21:24:17 <necrodearia> Mm, nevermind
1952 2011-01-19 21:24:27 <ArtForz> hmmm... install pycrypto?
1953 2011-01-19 21:24:34 <andrew12^mac> is that what its called? heh
1954 2011-01-19 21:24:41 <andrew12^mac> thanks
1955 2011-01-19 21:24:44 <Keefe> i'm going to have to contact him and/or the buyer anyway because the buyer stuck me with a ~5% fee
1956 2011-01-19 21:24:57 <ArtForz> eww
1957 2011-01-19 21:25:05 <Keefe> 3.9%+$0.30
1958 2011-01-19 21:25:12 <ArtForz> wow, that sucks
1959 2011-01-19 21:25:21 <ArtForz> yeah, contact DW
1960 2011-01-19 21:25:32 <Keefe> i haven't sold for PP at BCM for months
1961 2011-01-19 21:25:40 <andrew12^mac> hmm
1962 2011-01-19 21:25:42 <Keefe> but got tempted by the better prices today
1963 2011-01-19 21:26:18 <ArtForz> also fun: buyers on BCM waiting a few days, sending payment if prices rise...
1964 2011-01-19 21:26:47 <ArtForz> hooray, risk-less speculation ...
1965 2011-01-19 21:26:49 <genjix> so if I depsit LR to mtgox, sell and withdraw BTC then I lose only 2.65% ?
1966 2011-01-19 21:26:54 <genjix> is that correct?
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1968 2011-01-19 21:27:15 <ArtForz> less I think
1969 2011-01-19 21:27:16 <Keefe> ya, that was tempting for me, as i forgot about a high bid i left there
1970 2011-01-19 21:27:24 <genjix> cool :) thanks
1971 2011-01-19 21:27:37 <ArtForz> iirc sending LR to mtgox only costs the (1%, 2.99) LR fee
1972 2011-01-19 21:27:47 <ArtForz> and then the 0.65% on trade
1973 2011-01-19 21:27:48 <Keefe> but i just took the hit and paid
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1975 2011-01-19 21:28:16 <genjix> ok thanks ArtForz
1976 2011-01-19 21:28:30 <ArtForz> adding/withdrawing BTC is free
1977 2011-01-19 21:28:31 <Keefe> sending LR$ to mtgox is free
1978 2011-01-19 21:28:48 <ArtForz> really?
1979 2011-01-19 21:29:00 <andrew12^mac> ArtForz: does your half-node download blocks? it doesn't look like it did. o_O
1980 2011-01-19 21:29:04 <Keefe> apparently mtgox eats the fee, probably figuring he'll get it on the withdrawals
1981 2011-01-19 21:29:04 <ArtForz> nope
1982 2011-01-19 21:29:07 <andrew12^mac> oh.
1983 2011-01-19 21:29:14 <ArtForz> it only sits there and watches for blocks and TXes to fly by
1984 2011-01-19 21:29:22 <ArtForz> oh, thats cool then
1985 2011-01-19 21:29:26 <andrew12^mac> that's pretty cool :p
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1987 2011-01-19 21:29:57 <Keefe> so 2% to withdraw LR$ from mtgox, free to deposit
1988 2011-01-19 21:30:13 <ArtForz> yep
1989 2011-01-19 21:30:22 <ArtForz> and 0.65% off both sides of each trade
1990 2011-01-19 21:30:29 <Keefe> as long as he has a net outflow of LR$, profit
1991 2011-01-19 21:30:42 <Keefe> and the trade fees of course
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1994 2011-01-19 21:33:52 <Keefe> about BCM buyers sending payment only if the price rises... i did something similar once when buying a bunch of metals from apmex.com
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1996 2011-01-19 21:34:27 <Keefe> their system holds the prices for up to 10min while you complete checkout
1997 2011-01-19 21:35:10 <Keefe> so i'd add to cart, watch the price for <10min, if price went down, empty and re-add
1998 2011-01-19 21:39:04 <ArtForz> lol
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2001 2011-01-19 21:41:51 <EvanR-work> haha
2002 2011-01-19 21:43:21 <genjix> if I buy LR$ then it costs me much more than the slated 1%
2003 2011-01-19 21:43:33 <genjix> 2% + their exchange rate is below market
2004 2011-01-19 21:43:39 <genjix> so it's more like 6%
2005 2011-01-19 21:44:15 <ArtForz> depends on what exchanger you use
2006 2011-01-19 21:44:21 <genjix> eCardOne?
2007 2011-01-19 21:44:22 <Keefe> and i'd gamble a bit. if the price never went down during the 10min, but went up just a bit, i'd empty/re-add anyway hoping it would go down more in the next 10min
2008 2011-01-19 21:44:31 <ArtForz> yeah, their fees are currently crappy
2009 2011-01-19 21:44:45 <genjix> they seem to be the only exchange accepting GBP :/
2010 2011-01-19 21:44:54 <ArtForz> sometimes you can get pretty sweet deals from em
2011 2011-01-19 21:45:39 <genjix> i want to make a GBP <-> BTC black-market exchange here in the UK :)
2012 2011-01-19 21:45:42 <ArtForz> a few weeks ago they had *negative* fees for LREUR->EUR bank wire
2013 2011-01-19 21:45:44 <genjix> help spread the love
2014 2011-01-19 21:45:56 <genjix> cool
2015 2011-01-19 21:46:11 <ArtForz> -0.4% iirc
2016 2011-01-19 21:46:21 <genjix> americans only pay 1% LR, right?
2017 2011-01-19 21:46:41 <ArtForz> again, depends on the exchanger
2018 2011-01-19 21:47:47 <bitanarchy> It looks like bitcoinmarket functions like an escrow, just like clearcoin. The difference is that clearcoin charges 2% fee.
2019 2011-01-19 21:49:07 <bitanarchy> Correction, clearcoin charges 1% above 100BTC
2020 2011-01-19 21:49:31 <bitanarchy> But how does bitcoinmarket make money on LR transactions?
2021 2011-01-19 21:49:50 <ArtForz> they dont
2022 2011-01-19 21:50:39 <bitanarchy> If they don't make money then they have no incentive to maintain reputation.
2023 2011-01-19 21:50:54 <ArtForz> ?
2024 2011-01-19 21:51:47 <bitanarchy> I don't get it...
2025 2011-01-19 21:52:40 <ArtForz> I guess it's the google approach, build it first, figure out how to make money from it later :P
2026 2011-01-19 21:52:55 <EvanR-work> Build it, and they will come
2027 2011-01-19 21:53:36 <soultcer> What is the best open-source cpu miner?
2028 2011-01-19 21:53:53 <ArtForz> jgarziks
2029 2011-01-19 21:54:00 <andrew12^mac> just try each till you find a good one. :p
2030 2011-01-19 21:54:21 <midnightmagic> "cpuminer" is really good, except it gets the cpu capabilities detection wrong on non-new hardware and weird build environments.
2031 2011-01-19 21:54:33 <andrew12^mac> midnightmagic: they're all called 'cpuminer' ;)
2032 2011-01-19 21:54:34 <andrew12^mac> well
2033 2011-01-19 21:54:37 <andrew12^mac> nevermind
2034 2011-01-19 21:54:37 <midnightmagic> :-)
2035 2011-01-19 21:54:54 <midnightmagic> git://github.com/jgarzik/cpuminer.git <-- that one.
2036 2011-01-19 21:55:02 <midnightmagic> that's a good one. very clean.
2037 2011-01-19 21:55:16 <andrew12^mac> SO FRESH, SO CLEAN
2038 2011-01-19 21:55:20 <andrew12^mac> :p
2039 2011-01-19 21:55:22 <midnightmagic> SO CLEEEEN.
2040 2011-01-19 21:56:46 <midnightmagic> clean code makes me very happy. every time I peek into satoshi's code and see him deliberately wiping out incoming buffers, or making very careful checks for this, or that.. man. Makes me very happy.
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2042 2011-01-19 21:57:40 <bitanarchy> Is there also an expiration time for release of non-confirmed bitcoins at bitcoinmarket?
2043 2011-01-19 21:57:40 <gigitrix> aarrgh
2044 2011-01-19 21:57:58 <EvanR-work> weird usage of jargon clean ;)
2045 2011-01-19 21:58:08 <gigitrix> just spent 2 hours trying to change some css before i finally realised that the files were cached in MySQL :'(
2046 2011-01-19 21:58:19 <EvanR-work> clean usually means its syntax that makes the given programmer talking feel warm and fuzzy
2047 2011-01-19 21:58:31 <EvanR-work> not that its robust or in some way working
2048 2011-01-19 21:58:40 <midnightmagic> clean is easy-to-read, easy-to-modify, succinct and compact, elegant, and pure.
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2050 2011-01-19 21:59:02 <EvanR-work> theres no way c++ can achieve any of those
2051 2011-01-19 21:59:19 <xelister> âââ deeerp eeerp. Jesus Ati sucks epic cock with it shitty drivers.
2052 2011-01-19 21:59:30 <midnightmagic> pure is no extensive dependency chain.
2053 2011-01-19 21:59:39 <midnightmagic> lots of c++ programs do it.
2054 2011-01-19 21:59:49 <EvanR-work> weird usage of jargon pure
2055 2011-01-19 22:00:16 <EvanR-work> ive heard this term dependency chain too, wtf is that
2056 2011-01-19 22:00:26 <xelister> Ñï¼ï¾Ðï¾Ñï¼ wwhyyy whyyyyy god WHYYYYY ati can't write a software driver.
2057 2011-01-19 22:00:28 <EvanR-work> some oop concept
2058 2011-01-19 22:00:51 <EvanR-work> makes writing code sound like debugging a package manager
2059 2011-01-19 22:01:21 <midnightmagic> if you have a massive set of libraries, which depend on other libraries, which depend on other libraries, and even compiling something is painful and difficulty because that particular combination of libraries or header macros, or whatever, is difficult to achieve in a standard distribution of whatever OS you have, then that code has a disgusting dependency chain.
2060 2011-01-19 22:01:34 <midnightmagic> KDE has a disgusting dependency chain. Gnome has one.
2061 2011-01-19 22:01:46 <EvanR-work> ah so i was right on
2062 2011-01-19 22:01:50 <EvanR-work> package management
2063 2011-01-19 22:02:41 <EvanR-work> yeah gnome and kde are shit
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2067 2011-01-19 22:03:10 <midnightmagic> dwm all the way man
2068 2011-01-19 22:03:12 <EvanR-work> http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?EverythingSucks
2069 2011-01-19 22:07:55 <andrew12_> andrew12^mac: http://pastebin.com/NybAaUtr
2070 2011-01-19 22:08:10 <andrew12^mac> ohey thanks
2071 2011-01-19 22:08:37 <soultcer> huh?
2072 2011-01-19 22:08:43 <andrew12^mac> andrew12_ is my desktop ;)
2073 2011-01-19 22:08:50 <andrew12^mac> i needed that link
2074 2011-01-19 22:09:00 <andrew12^mac> and i'm lazy so i just posted it on irc
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2076 2011-01-19 22:13:44 <EvanR-work> irc is the new pastebin
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2087 2011-01-19 22:34:10 <bitanarchy> Is sending payal free inside a currency zone?
2088 2011-01-19 22:34:47 <nathan7> no
2089 2011-01-19 22:36:27 <bitanarchy> nathan7: it says that only receiving an currency conversion costs money.
2090 2011-01-19 22:37:50 <gigitrix> right
2091 2011-01-19 22:37:53 <gigitrix> bitcoiners
2092 2011-01-19 22:38:11 <nathan7> hmm
2093 2011-01-19 22:38:19 <gigitrix> I need some feedback on my ad network's design, if that's not too much trouble: http://i.imgur.com/L1OfG.png
2094 2011-01-19 22:38:28 <gigitrix> advice would be much appreciated
2095 2011-01-19 22:38:53 <gigitrix> (there may be a few things still "blue" that I need to convert to yellow/orange
2096 2011-01-19 22:39:14 <gigitrix> but otherwise the design phase is finished (just nicking phpbb really)
2097 2011-01-19 22:41:08 <bitanarchy> why would you care about the interface.... as long as the ad looks good, right.
2098 2011-01-19 22:42:31 <gigitrix> hah yeah
2099 2011-01-19 22:42:43 <gigitrix> just trying to change it from default phpbb blue
2100 2011-01-19 22:42:51 <bitanarchy> If you make a paypal payment on bitcoinmarket, is the buyer supposed to pay the fees?
2101 2011-01-19 22:43:04 <Keefe> yes
2102 2011-01-19 22:43:49 <bitanarchy> So that is 3.4% + euro 0.35
2103 2011-01-19 22:43:49 <Keefe> so if you're the buyer, you have the incentive to do it as a personal payment and not stick the seller with high business-payment fees
2104 2011-01-19 22:44:47 <Keefe> personal payments make the seller feel more confortable, as it's harder for you to rip them off later with a claim of no product received
2105 2011-01-19 22:44:57 <bitanarchy> plus 2,5% currency conversion fee
2106 2011-01-19 22:45:07 <theymos> The BCM trade email used to specify gift payments.
2107 2011-01-19 22:45:53 <Keefe> also, personal (gift, pmt-owed, etc) payments show the sender the fee amount, making it easier to fulfil BCM's policy
2108 2011-01-19 22:45:59 <edcba> ad network repurposed from a forum ???
2109 2011-01-19 22:48:09 <Keefe> bitanarchy: so are you going to do it as a personal payment to save yourself 2.9%+0.35?
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2111 2011-01-19 22:50:01 <genjix> look at that kickass windows 2000 desktop
2112 2011-01-19 22:50:06 <bitanarchy> Keefe: it is only free from fee if you don't use credit card. So then you have to wire money to paypal first....
2113 2011-01-19 22:50:12 <genjix> damn been ages since i've used winblows
2114 2011-01-19 22:50:30 <gigitrix> edcba: it's just an easy way to have an existing system
2115 2011-01-19 22:51:09 <gigitrix> edcba: i'm using it as a CMS since I have more knowledge of the underlying codebase, which makes it easier to code from scratch
2116 2011-01-19 22:51:24 <gigitrix> edcba: (plus I don't have to design beyond recolouring :P)
2117 2011-01-19 22:51:32 <Keefe> bitanarchy: or link a bank account and use a credit card only as "backup funding". that should give you free instant personal payments
2118 2011-01-19 22:51:46 <edcba> that's really a 'novel' way to use phpbb
2119 2011-01-19 22:52:00 <gigitrix> genjix: Windows 7 basic mode :D There's a reason this laptop isn't mining, y'know :)
2120 2011-01-19 22:52:31 <genjix> eh windows still looks like that? i thought it looked different now (from screenshots)
2121 2011-01-19 22:52:35 <gigitrix> yeah I know ebcba, I just understand the db, templating system etc far more than using wordpress or whatever
2122 2011-01-19 22:52:37 <bitanarchy> keefe: have to check that out
2123 2011-01-19 22:52:50 <gigitrix> genjix: it's in super-basic-save-cpu mode :)
2124 2011-01-19 22:53:08 <genjix> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Windows_7.png
2125 2011-01-19 22:53:11 <genjix> i see
2126 2011-01-19 22:53:20 <gigitrix> i don't need snazzy graphics when i have an ide, 2 web browsers, various bg services and itunes streaming going on
2127 2011-01-19 22:53:31 <gigitrix> plus this laptop suck
2128 2011-01-19 22:53:33 <gigitrix> s*
2129 2011-01-19 22:54:10 <genjix> if you like minimal window managers then you should consider linux
2130 2011-01-19 22:54:20 <genjix> http://awesome.naquadah.org/
2131 2011-01-19 22:54:46 <genjix> i use that. startup is instant. very fast ;)
2132 2011-01-19 22:57:30 <bitanarchy> keefe: the paypal exchange fee is 2.5%. Buying LR using ecardone is 2,9%.
2133 2011-01-19 22:57:53 <genjix> nanotube: why the hell are you buying testnet BTC?
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2135 2011-01-19 22:59:37 <andrew12^mac> heh
2136 2011-01-19 22:59:58 <tcatm> forum down?
2137 2011-01-19 23:00:04 <chaord> i was going to ask the same thing
2138 2011-01-19 23:00:15 <chaord> so I guess, yes?
2139 2011-01-19 23:00:51 <OneFixt> ;;isitdown www.bitcoin.org
2140 2011-01-19 23:00:57 <gribble> http://www.bitcoin.org Is Down -> Check if your website is up or down?
2141 2011-01-19 23:00:59 <chaord> seems to be back now
2142 2011-01-19 23:01:20 <andrew12^mac> down for me.
2143 2011-01-19 23:01:34 <tcatm> looks like mysqld is overloaded
2144 2011-01-19 23:01:42 <chaord> yah...it's back down now for me too
2145 2011-01-19 23:01:45 <andrew12^mac> er, not down, just slow i guess
2146 2011-01-19 23:02:00 <Keefe> bitanarchy: true, you can't avoid currency exchange fees, nor paypal's cross-border fee (often 1%), but you should be able to avoid paypal's additional 2.9%+0.35 business-payment/credit-funded fee
2147 2011-01-19 23:02:38 <Keefe> bitanarchy: are you starting with EUR in a bank?
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2149 2011-01-19 23:04:21 <gigitrix> what the hell is gribble and how come it can do everything?!?!
2150 2011-01-19 23:04:26 <gigitrix> that's one smart bot
2151 2011-01-19 23:04:49 <genjix> that is my son you're talking about
2152 2011-01-19 23:04:58 <genjix> i've trained him well. he sits in the basement.
2153 2011-01-19 23:05:08 <andrew12^mac> heh
2154 2011-01-19 23:05:21 DjeZAeL is now known as Lycana
2155 2011-01-19 23:05:21 <nanotube> genjix: why the hell not.
2156 2011-01-19 23:05:27 <nanotube> genjix: it's speculative. :)
2157 2011-01-19 23:05:55 <genjix> but nobody is buying :p
2158 2011-01-19 23:05:56 <andrew12^mac> 1 btc for 10000 tnbtc :p
2159 2011-01-19 23:05:59 <nanotube> gigitrix: hehe feel free to donate to the bot. :)
2160 2011-01-19 23:06:09 Lycana is now known as DjeZAeL
2161 2011-01-19 23:06:22 <genjix> and it's toy money
2162 2011-01-19 23:06:23 <nanotube> genjix: whatdoyoumean? there are several other buy offers on the book.
2163 2011-01-19 23:06:27 <andrew12^mac> I had 5000 testnet btc, but i sent it back to the faucet...before i realized people were buying it
2164 2011-01-19 23:06:34 <bitanarchy> Keefe: yes, euroland
2165 2011-01-19 23:06:41 <nanotube> genjix: so was bitcoin, 1.5 years ago.
2166 2011-01-19 23:06:57 <genjix> :) hehe ok
2167 2011-01-19 23:07:50 <genjix> that's pretty cool actually
2168 2011-01-19 23:08:33 <bitanarchy> what is the difference between testnet and bitcoin?
2169 2011-01-19 23:08:34 <Keefe> bitanarchy: have you considered buying BTC at bitcoin-central.net?
2170 2011-01-19 23:08:54 <genjix> people buy PokerStars play money... 1 million = $10 at current market price.
2171 2011-01-19 23:08:56 <Keefe> i think you can get EUR into BC for free
2172 2011-01-19 23:09:17 <doublec> it might be worth mining testnet coins. You might get more btc trading them than you would just mining bitcoins.
2173 2011-01-19 23:10:24 <genjix> sshhhh :p
2174 2011-01-19 23:10:28 <bitanarchy> Keefe: yes, I was talking to david about it... i didn't buy jet.
2175 2011-01-19 23:11:06 <andrew12^mac> you didnt buy a jet?!
2176 2011-01-19 23:11:17 <andrew12^mac> :p
2177 2011-01-19 23:11:34 <bitanarchy> :-P
2178 2011-01-19 23:12:19 <andrew12^mac> doublec: or...you can just wait for tcatm to 'reset' the testnet. :p
2179 2011-01-19 23:12:26 <bitanarchy> I realize that david is artforz front-end :-)
2180 2011-01-19 23:12:44 <ArtForz> ?
2181 2011-01-19 23:12:44 <andrew12^mac> what?
2182 2011-01-19 23:13:28 <ArtForz> I only sold like 3kBTc on BC so far
2183 2011-01-19 23:14:54 <bitanarchy> ArtForz: but you don't accept eur right.... there is much going on in euro's on BC... only high ask prices
2184 2011-01-19 23:15:26 <ArtForz> I do, sold out a while ago
2185 2011-01-19 23:16:46 <nanotube> andrew12^mac: unless more gen power comes on to testnet and it's no longer so easy to do. :P
2186 2011-01-19 23:17:15 <bitanarchy> BC could also start with EUR->LREUR conversion.
2187 2011-01-19 23:17:39 <andrew12^mac> ArtForz should take over the testnet :P
2188 2011-01-19 23:18:04 <ArtForz> I'm planning to do that if I find the time for it
2189 2011-01-19 23:18:17 <andrew12^mac> kewl beans
2190 2011-01-19 23:18:32 <ArtForz> overtake the current testnet chain starting from genesis
2191 2011-01-19 23:18:49 <andrew12^mac> curious, how exactly will that work?
2192 2011-01-19 23:19:06 <ArtForz> pretty simple really
2193 2011-01-19 23:19:37 <ArtForz> modified client that allows me to start building my chain from a arbitrary block with arbitrary timestamps
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2195 2011-01-19 23:20:18 <andrew12^mac> oh
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2198 2011-01-19 23:20:26 <andrew12^mac> so it pretty much invalidates the rest of the network?
2199 2011-01-19 23:20:35 <andrew12^mac> because your chain is longer
2200 2011-01-19 23:20:43 <ArtForz> yep, my chain will have more work
2201 2011-01-19 23:20:52 <andrew12^mac> that's interesting
2202 2011-01-19 23:21:02 <andrew12^mac> I wonder if we could have a mining pool to fix the testnet xD
2203 2011-01-19 23:21:06 <ArtForz> total testnet chain only represents about 14h on my cluster
2204 2011-01-19 23:22:00 <doublec> so much for my plan to get rich on testnet coins
2205 2011-01-19 23:22:05 <andrew12^mac> hehe
2206 2011-01-19 23:22:19 <ArtForz> getting difficulty back down "normally" will take half a year at least
2207 2011-01-19 23:22:50 <ArtForz> replacing the chain is a lot easier and faster
2208 2011-01-19 23:23:05 <genjix> so people buying tnbtc are wasting their time because it'll be reset and the money will be dud?
2209 2011-01-19 23:23:16 <ArtForz> pretty much
2210 2011-01-19 23:23:32 <genjix> i hope nanotube knows so :p
2211 2011-01-19 23:23:32 <andrew12^mac> genjix: this is why testnet is merely play money
2212 2011-01-19 23:23:39 <ArtForz> it's a nice way of saying "it's called TESTnet for a reason"
2213 2011-01-19 23:23:53 <genjix> some people are buying tnbtc
2214 2011-01-19 23:24:09 <doublec> they're buying it because it's hard to generate and they want to test
2215 2011-01-19 23:24:12 <andrew12^mac> ArtForz: you'd probably have enough testnet bitcoins to give everyone back what they had :p
2216 2011-01-19 23:24:13 <nanotube> genjix: i know so. :)
2217 2011-01-19 23:24:18 <doublec> ArtForz's plan solves the hard to generate bit
2218 2011-01-19 23:24:23 <ArtForz> yep
2219 2011-01-19 23:24:31 <ArtForz> after I'm done testnet should be back at 0.5 difficulty
2220 2011-01-19 23:25:16 <ArtForz> hrrrm... maybe I shouldn't make final diffculty THAT low
2221 2011-01-19 23:25:27 <andrew12^mac> do it! :
2222 2011-01-19 23:25:28 <andrew12^mac> do it! :p
2223 2011-01-19 23:25:34 <ArtForz> 2.0 sounds more reasonable
2224 2011-01-19 23:25:45 <andrew12^mac> bbbbbbut it's the testnet!
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2226 2011-01-19 23:26:26 <bitanarchy> Doesn't the testnet have some interesting experimental properties.... otherwise it would just be a boring copy.
2227 2011-01-19 23:26:40 <Kiba> nobody other than me is actually writing anything for The Bitcoin Times
2228 2011-01-19 23:26:44 * andrew12^mac wants to be able to get all excited when his tiny little cpu miner is able to generate a block
2229 2011-01-19 23:26:44 <Kiba> :(
2230 2011-01-19 23:27:03 <ArtForz> 2.0 diff should be fine really
2231 2011-01-19 23:27:25 <ArtForz> thats 14.3Mh/s nominal
2232 2011-01-19 23:27:35 <ArtForz> or about one fast CPU
2233 2011-01-19 23:28:24 <andrew12^mac> well doesn't it automagically fix itself after 2016 blocks (number is probably wrong)
2234 2011-01-19 23:28:32 <ArtForz> well... yeah
2235 2011-01-19 23:28:35 <andrew12^mac> then 2 is fine
2236 2011-01-19 23:28:44 <andrew12^mac> :p
2237 2011-01-19 23:29:09 <ArtForz> just creating the remaining ~2k blocks @ 186.something diff is more work than just starting over
2238 2011-01-19 23:36:49 <andrew12^mac> compiling berkeley db takes too long
2239 2011-01-19 23:38:24 <doublec> getting the source for berkeley db is a bit of a mission now that it's owned by oracle
2240 2011-01-19 23:38:43 <nanotube> andrew12^mac: join the pool. pool shares are at 1.0 diff.
2241 2011-01-19 23:38:44 <nanotube> hehe
2242 2011-01-19 23:39:06 <andrew12^mac> i'm in the pool
2243 2011-01-19 23:39:13 <andrew12^mac> well not mining right now but yeah
2244 2011-01-19 23:39:27 <bitanarchy> maybe I should stop using credit card at all. I can use paypal or ideal for internet. I only need it for parking fees and foreign hotels.
2245 2011-01-19 23:40:37 <bitanarchy> Note that credit card takes 3% fee per month
2246 2011-01-19 23:40:51 <andrew12^mac> or you can just use bitcoin :P
2247 2011-01-19 23:41:43 <nanotube> ;;defaultplugin calc google
2248 2011-01-19 23:41:43 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
2249 2011-01-19 23:41:54 <nanotube> ;;calc e^(i*pi)
2250 2011-01-19 23:41:54 <gribble> e^(i * pi) = -1
2251 2011-01-19 23:41:55 <andrew12^mac> oh
2252 2011-01-19 23:41:57 <andrew12^mac> that works too
2253 2011-01-19 23:41:58 <andrew12^mac> lol
2254 2011-01-19 23:42:07 <jgarzik> Credit cards are great for consumers, at least until merchants give customers paying with cash a discount.
2255 2011-01-19 23:42:07 <andrew12^mac> ;;calc the answer to life, the universe, and everything
2256 2011-01-19 23:42:07 <gribble> the answer to life, the universe, and everything = 42
2257 2011-01-19 23:42:13 <jgarzik> Not so great for vendors.
2258 2011-01-19 23:42:13 <nanotube> andrew12^mac: --^ ok just use calc. if you want non-google calc you have to specifically use 'math calc'... but google calc should suffice for most things.
2259 2011-01-19 23:42:38 <andrew12^mac> ^.^
2260 2011-01-19 23:42:42 <jgarzik> as long as the cash and CC prices are the same, I'll use my cash-back CC every time
2261 2011-01-19 23:42:47 <andrew12^mac> ;;calc number of horns on a unicorn
2262 2011-01-19 23:42:48 <gribble> number of horns on a unicorn = 1
2263 2011-01-19 23:43:27 <jgarzik> ;;calc great question of life, the universe and everything
2264 2011-01-19 23:43:27 <gribble> ...
2265 2011-01-19 23:43:36 <andrew12^mac> o.o
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2267 2011-01-19 23:45:14 <nanotube> jgarzik: try s/question/answer/
2268 2011-01-19 23:45:28 <jgarzik> ;;calc great answer of life, the universe and everything
2269 2011-01-19 23:45:29 <gribble> ...
2270 2011-01-19 23:45:41 <andrew12^mac> ;;calc baco
2271 2011-01-19 23:45:41 <gribble> baco
2272 2011-01-19 23:45:44 <andrew12^mac> ;;calc baconn
2273 2011-01-19 23:45:44 <gribble> ...
2274 2011-01-19 23:45:51 <andrew12^mac> why did baco work o.o
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2276 2011-01-19 23:46:19 <nanotube> jgarzik: maybe it's not so great. :)
2277 2011-01-19 23:46:26 <nanotube> ;;calc answer to life, the universe, and everything
2278 2011-01-19 23:46:27 <gribble> answer to life, the universe, and everything = 42
2279 2011-01-19 23:46:32 <nanotube> jgarzik: --^ :)
2280 2011-01-19 23:46:44 <nanotube> there. that's the non-great answer. :)
2281 2011-01-19 23:46:59 <andrew12^mac> ;;units data
2282 2011-01-19 23:46:59 <gribble> data units: bit, kilobit, megabit, byte, B, kilobyte, kB, megabyte, MB, gigabyte, GB, terabyte, TB, petabyte, PB, kilobyte IEC std, kB IEC std, megabyte IEC std, MB IEC std, gigabyte IEC std, GB IEC std, terabyte IEC std, TB IEC std, petabyte IEC std, PB IEC std, kibibyte, KiB, mebibyte, MiB, gibibyte, GiB, tebibyte, TiB, pebibyte, PiB
2283 2011-01-19 23:47:06 <andrew12^mac> hehe
2284 2011-01-19 23:48:08 <andrew12^mac> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_Polish_notation -- now I understand http://xkcd.com/645/
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2290 2011-01-19 23:51:43 <andrew12^mac> it's like brainfuck for math
2291 2011-01-19 23:51:48 <andrew12^mac> err... not brainfuck
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2294 2011-01-19 23:52:09 <andrew12^mac> 1d befunge :p
2295 2011-01-19 23:52:50 <ArtForz> its pretty useful for making boolean ops more readable
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2297 2011-01-19 23:54:24 <ArtForz> c^((b^c)&a) vs bc^a&c^
2298 2011-01-19 23:54:48 <andrew12^mac> yeah
2299 2011-01-19 23:56:10 <ArtForz> after enough contact with stack machines it even feels somewhat natural ;)
2300 2011-01-19 23:56:28 <andrew12^mac> http://codepad.org/i2SECwAv