1 2011-01-21 00:01:56 <sipa> price?
  2 2011-01-21 00:03:10 <hacim> puddinpop: thanks, now i got it working. its about 10k khash/sec slower than the diablo miner, so I guess I need to tune some things
  3 2011-01-21 00:03:42 <Diablo-D3> sipa: around $500 or so
  4 2011-01-21 00:03:50 <jgarzik> tcatm: http://www.techspot.com/news/42051-starbucks-launches-largest-mobile-payment-program-in-the-us.html
  5 2011-01-21 00:04:46 <jgarzik> tcatm: "To pay with their phone, app users simply select "touch to pay" and hold up the barcode on the screen to the 2D scanner at the register."
  6 2011-01-21 00:04:59 <Diablo-D3> so basically
  7 2011-01-21 00:05:01 ineedmoney has joined
  8 2011-01-21 00:05:07 <Diablo-D3> what I described exactly
  9 2011-01-21 00:05:42 <ineedmoney> Diablo-D3: exactly.
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 11 2011-01-21 00:06:07 <tcatm> jgarzik: interesting, but probably just "bill account no. 1234" in the barcode
 12 2011-01-21 00:06:09 <Diablo-D3> sipa, jgarzik: http://serversdirect.com/product.asp?pf_id=CS8576
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 14 2011-01-21 00:06:26 <jgarzik> tcatm: probably
 15 2011-01-21 00:06:31 <jgarzik> "Starbucks is using its own custom-built technology, choosing barcode scanning over near field communication technology (NFC) because the latter has limited availability."
 16 2011-01-21 00:07:01 <andrew12^mac> hmm... is there anyone that can compile the latest bitcoin git for windows for me?
 17 2011-01-21 00:07:08 <tcatm> QR codes in js-remote would work just fine for that system
 18 2011-01-21 00:07:10 <jgarzik> barcode/QR-code is far easier to deploy, so I am curious to see how this technology will evolve.
 19 2011-01-21 00:07:13 <jgarzik> tcatm: yes
 20 2011-01-21 00:07:56 <ineedmoney> jgarzik: why not just like bluetooth or something
 21 2011-01-21 00:08:03 <ineedmoney> or RFID
 22 2011-01-21 00:08:08 <andrew12^mac> (or at least someone that has one that has gettransaction that's newer :p)
 23 2011-01-21 00:08:19 <ineedmoney> 802.11
 24 2011-01-21 00:08:20 <tcatm> QR codes are a lot faster and easier than bluetooth or RFID
 25 2011-01-21 00:08:26 <jgarzik> indeed
 26 2011-01-21 00:08:30 <ineedmoney> but they're silly
 27 2011-01-21 00:08:37 <ineedmoney> trivial, even
 28 2011-01-21 00:08:48 <andrew12^mac> disgree
 29 2011-01-21 00:08:53 <andrew12^mac> disagree*
 30 2011-01-21 00:08:54 <tcatm> It's enough to carry an address
 31 2011-01-21 00:08:57 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: so that answers your question btw
 32 2011-01-21 00:09:02 <Diablo-D3> 2 5970s is the most you can get into a 1U.
 33 2011-01-21 00:09:12 <ineedmoney> andrew12^mac: you couldn't even spell it right.
 34 2011-01-21 00:09:12 noagendamarket_ has joined
 35 2011-01-21 00:09:14 <andrew12^mac> RFID and bluetooth require hardware
 36 2011-01-21 00:09:18 <andrew12^mac> ineedmoney: no u
 37 2011-01-21 00:09:26 <tcatm> ineedmoney: try out js-remote, scan a barcode, touch "Send" and see how well it works
 38 2011-01-21 00:09:28 <jgarzik> RFID requires hardware investment, and is not really applicable to the "coffee shop mobile payment" problem space.
 39 2011-01-21 00:09:30 <ineedmoney> andrew12^mac: that's what the custom hardware is for, derp.
 40 2011-01-21 00:09:30 <andrew12^mac> qr code requires nothing more than paper
 41 2011-01-21 00:09:40 <jgarzik> additionally , bluetooth introduces communication compatibility issues.
 42 2011-01-21 00:09:49 <ineedmoney> I meant anything short range and wireless
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 44 2011-01-21 00:10:02 <andrew12^mac> plus you can't take a picture of bluetooth or rfid, can you? :P
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 46 2011-01-21 00:10:11 <ineedmoney> andrew12^mac: why not?
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 48 2011-01-21 00:10:21 <andrew12^mac> er, what?
 49 2011-01-21 00:10:33 <ineedmoney> andrew12^mac: it'd give off a unique signal that could be hashed into an ID
 50 2011-01-21 00:10:40 <andrew12^mac> ...
 51 2011-01-21 00:10:46 <ineedmoney> for cheap, too
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 54 2011-01-21 00:11:04 <andrew12^mac> ineedmoney: does your cell phone have an rfid reader?
 55 2011-01-21 00:11:20 <ineedmoney> andrew12^mac: I hope not.
 56 2011-01-21 00:11:24 <andrew12^mac> heh
 57 2011-01-21 00:11:40 <andrew12^mac> that's the point ;)
 58 2011-01-21 00:11:54 <andrew12^mac> if your cell phone has a camera, you can read a qr code with software
 59 2011-01-21 00:12:05 <ineedmoney> andrew12^mac: and then anyone can read my camera!
 60 2011-01-21 00:12:07 <ineedmoney> good idea!
 61 2011-01-21 00:12:16 * andrew12^mac headdeskrepeatedly
 62 2011-01-21 00:12:23 <ineedmoney> good
 63 2011-01-21 00:12:24 <noagendamarket> *has a faraday wallet
 64 2011-01-21 00:12:30 <ineedmoney> noagendamarket: good call
 65 2011-01-21 00:12:40 <andrew12^mac> ineedmoney: then write your own software.
 66 2011-01-21 00:12:44 * ineedmoney gives smart points to noagendamarket
 67 2011-01-21 00:12:57 * ineedmoney subtracts them from andrew12^mac
 68 2011-01-21 00:13:09 <andrew12^mac> :(
 69 2011-01-21 00:13:09 <ineedmoney> your IQ must be going down by the minute.
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 71 2011-01-21 00:13:28 <andrew12^mac> only because i'm talking to you ;)
 72 2011-01-21 00:13:33 <noagendamarket> heh
 73 2011-01-21 00:13:33 <ineedmoney> true that!
 74 2011-01-21 00:13:46 <ineedmoney> you can go be stupid somewhere else though, if you don't like it
 75 2011-01-21 00:14:11 <andrew12^mac> you clearly didn't see that i just called you stupid...
 76 2011-01-21 00:14:43 <andrew12^mac> anyways...
 77 2011-01-21 00:14:47 <ineedmoney> andrew12^mac: I clearly did...
 78 2011-01-21 00:15:25 <BitCoinz1> dont quarrel guys
 79 2011-01-21 00:15:31 <andrew12^mac> is there anyone that can compile the latest bitcoin git for windows for me? i can't get my mac to compile bitcoin at all.
 80 2011-01-21 00:16:05 <BitCoinz1> use ubuntu
 81 2011-01-21 00:16:22 <BitCoinz1> mac stinks
 82 2011-01-21 00:16:22 <ineedmoney> no uuuuuuz
 83 2011-01-21 00:16:24 <andrew12^mac> ...without having to install another os...
 84 2011-01-21 00:16:32 <ineedmoney> macfags are so annoying.
 85 2011-01-21 00:16:44 <ineedmoney> virtualbox
 86 2011-01-21 00:16:47 <BitCoinz1> mac is always trouble boy
 87 2011-01-21 00:17:14 <andrew12^mac> virtualbox == installing an os
 88 2011-01-21 00:17:35 <ineedmoney> andrew12^mac: you lazy prick.
 89 2011-01-21 00:17:39 <ineedmoney> slacker!
 90 2011-01-21 00:21:32 <BitCoinz1> behave...
 91 2011-01-21 00:21:49 <ineedmoney> BitCoinz1: fiiine
 92 2011-01-21 00:21:51 <BitCoinz1> we are all equal ;)
 93 2011-01-21 00:21:56 <ineedmoney> BitCoinz1: if you say so...
 94 2011-01-21 00:22:16 <BitCoinz1> uhu
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 96 2011-01-21 00:24:26 <devon_hillard> slush: congrats, the pool is past 20T
 97 2011-01-21 00:24:39 <sipa> T?
 98 2011-01-21 00:24:47 <devon_hillard> Th/s
 99 2011-01-21 00:24:54 <sipa> no
100 2011-01-21 00:25:00 <molecular> does anyone know wether "Security without identification: transaction systems to make big brother obsolete" (a 1985 article by David Chaum) is available on the interwebs for free?
101 2011-01-21 00:25:02 <devon_hillard> ah, GH/s
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103 2011-01-21 00:25:27 <sipa> the whole net is 160GH/s
104 2011-01-21 00:25:42 <devon_hillard> 1/8 of the whole, not bad
105 2011-01-21 00:26:01 <devon_hillard> this does open an interesting possibility :)
106 2011-01-21 00:26:16 <molecular> ah, found it. to anyone interested: https://www.cosic.esat.kuleuven.be/apes/papers/p1030-chaum.pdf.gz
107 2011-01-21 00:26:45 <sipa> wow
108 2011-01-21 00:26:47 <molecular> sipa: how do you know the whole net's mining power?
109 2011-01-21 00:27:07 <andrew12^mac> is a transaction's id the hash?
110 2011-01-21 00:27:20 <andrew12^mac> i.e. something like 605844d90e7d798ad93dd288606c2dbfb151da2ef9f0f97ea923abea1722d99b
111 2011-01-21 00:27:36 <sipa> yes
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113 2011-01-21 00:27:53 <andrew12^mac> then why is gettransaction("605844d90e7d798ad93dd288606c2dbfb151da2ef9f0f97ea923abea1722d99b") giving me an error
114 2011-01-21 00:28:03 <sipa> molecular: i have my own estimator, based on timing and difficulty of previous blocks
115 2011-01-21 00:28:06 <andrew12^mac> (i know that tx exists, http://blockexplorer.com/tx/605844d90e7d798ad93dd288606c2dbfb151da2ef9f0f97ea923abea1722d99b)
116 2011-01-21 00:28:18 <presence> anyone have an experience with the cuda optimized miner not working as well as the non-optimized miner on an nvidia system?
117 2011-01-21 00:28:41 <molecular> interestingly slush cooperative's power jumped sharply from 16gh/s to 20gh/s. some big miner(s) must have joined.
118 2011-01-21 00:28:51 <sipa> bur the difficulty is already a rough estimation
119 2011-01-21 00:28:59 <presence> I added a couple of friends who have several 5970s
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122 2011-01-21 00:29:25 <molecular> sipa: how often is it updated? your estimator?
123 2011-01-21 00:29:54 <sipa> molecular: live, but not yet publicly available
124 2011-01-21 00:29:55 <molecular> presence: they use mining.bitcoin.cz? that explains the jump.
125 2011-01-21 00:30:07 <presence> yes
126 2011-01-21 00:30:17 <presence> one of them could probably have started his own
127 2011-01-21 00:30:36 <presence> but I convinced him that the pool was better until he had buttloads more gpus (which he wont)
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129 2011-01-21 00:31:31 <presence> Im just confused that the rpcminer-cude exe was 31% faster on my gtx460 than the m0mchil miner, but on my 2 gtx280m's its actually slower.
130 2011-01-21 00:32:08 <ineedmoney> presence: so what are the specs of your hardware?
131 2011-01-21 00:32:10 <ineedmoney> and the instruction set?
132 2011-01-21 00:32:17 <molecular> a very rough estimation (based on creator the last 140 blocks) says slush has 14% of the mining power
133 2011-01-21 00:32:58 <presence> my guess is that the optimization in rpcminer-cuda must be for the newer 4xx nvidia cards
134 2011-01-21 00:33:08 <sipa> the pools speed estimate is very accurate
135 2011-01-21 00:35:01 <sipa> my estimate for total speed is between 159 and 173, with the lower ones more likely
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137 2011-01-21 00:35:42 <gavinandresen> andrew12^mac: RPC gettransaction only works for transactions in your wallet-- transactions to or from you.  Not any arbitrary transaction.
138 2011-01-21 00:36:59 <andrew12^mac> oh...
139 2011-01-21 00:37:06 <andrew12^mac> then how does blockexplorer work?
140 2011-01-21 00:37:29 <andrew12^mac> oh nevermind
141 2011-01-21 00:37:39 <andrew12^mac> "but also does a ton of processing to make certain tasks, such as tracking transactions, easier."
142 2011-01-21 00:37:59 <gavinandresen> ... and I believe theymos is using a patched bitcoind....
143 2011-01-21 00:38:16 <BitCoinz>  /msg NickServ identify 777888
144 2011-01-21 00:38:17 <andrew12^mac> so it is possible! :P
145 2011-01-21 00:38:24 <andrew12^mac> BitCoinz: nice one
146 2011-01-21 00:38:41 * sipa hasnt seen this
147 2011-01-21 00:38:47 <andrew12^mac> hmm...
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149 2011-01-21 00:39:11 <gavinandresen> andrew12: are you doing a block explorer type of app, or do you have some other reason for wanting/needing info about an arbitrary transaction?
150 2011-01-21 00:39:15 <molecular> bitcoinz: cool. now go change your pw or someone else might
151 2011-01-21 00:39:39 <andrew12^mac> gavinandresen: trying to write a script to make a digraph (graphviz) of the path of a transaction
152 2011-01-21 00:39:49 <andrew12^mac> like the inputs, and their inputs
153 2011-01-21 00:40:20 <sipa> i wrote something that tracked coins from generation to final outputs
154 2011-01-21 00:40:34 <gavinandresen> andrew12: cool.  Very block explorer like...   You might be better off using my python bitcointools code to troll through the block database, rather than making a jillion RPC calls
155 2011-01-21 00:40:35 <molecular> andrew12^mac, cool idea.
156 2011-01-21 00:40:51 <sipa> using some patch which allowed gettransaction of everything
157 2011-01-21 00:41:09 <andrew12^mac> I *was* going to have it pull all of the tx data from "http://blockexplorer.com/rawtx/#{txid}" but that would take ages, and of course attack blockexplorer
158 2011-01-21 00:41:20 <sipa> no wait, it was a getblock that also dumped transactions
159 2011-01-21 00:41:38 <gavinandresen> bitcointools knows how to parse blkindex.dat and blk0001.dat (blocks and transactions)
160 2011-01-21 00:41:46 <sipa> getblockbycount was the rpc call
161 2011-01-21 00:42:08 <gavinandresen> sipa: I think both jgarzik and I had patches to get arbitrary transactions.
162 2011-01-21 00:42:16 <andrew12^mac> had?
163 2011-01-21 00:42:35 <gavinandresen> Yeah, I don't think either of us is maintaing them any more.
164 2011-01-21 00:42:57 <sipa> too bad :)
165 2011-01-21 00:43:21 <gavinandresen> The "get info about a transaction in my wallet" functionality handles what 98% of people want to do, and won't break when "lightweight clients" are released.
166 2011-01-21 00:43:43 <sipa> true
167 2011-01-21 00:43:44 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: I still maintain getblockbycount and listtransactions (now renamed to 'xlisttransactions' to avoid conflicts)
168 2011-01-21 00:43:53 <gavinandresen> Ah, I sit corrected.
169 2011-01-21 00:44:01 <andrew12^mac> haha @ sit
170 2011-01-21 00:44:46 * jgarzik still thinks bitcoin needs to get better about letting people see the full, unadorned structures, rather than sanitizing our output based on what we think website authors can handle :)
171 2011-01-21 00:45:01 <sipa> indeed
172 2011-01-21 00:45:13 <jgarzik> I am a programmer.  I demand a dump.  A large, ugly stinkin' dump.  Even if it's smelly, I want a full dump.
173 2011-01-21 00:45:14 <sipa> not by default
174 2011-01-21 00:45:16 <andrew12^mac> I dunno, http://blockexplorer.com/rawtx/a288fec5559c3f73fd3d93db8e8460562ebfe2fcf04a5114e8d0f2920a6270dc is pretty complicated.
175 2011-01-21 00:45:31 <sipa> but visible
176 2011-01-21 00:45:46 <jgarzik> andrew12^mac: BBE uses my getblockbycount patch
177 2011-01-21 00:46:01 <molecular> jgarzik, that just made me laugh the ugly stinking dump
178 2011-01-21 00:46:25 <gavinandresen> jgarzik:  yeah, but think of the poor electrons wasted by RPC calls that return lots of extra information that's unused 99% of the time....
179 2011-01-21 00:47:25 <sipa> think of the poor electrons "wasted" by mining?
180 2011-01-21 00:47:33 <jgarzik> hah :)
181 2011-01-21 00:47:38 <andrew12^mac> sipa: damn, beat me to it
182 2011-01-21 00:47:49 <jgarzik> I doubt anyone uses getblockbycount unless they need all the info
183 2011-01-21 00:48:07 <jgarzik> that reminds me -- I need to update the RPC code to do gzip compression
184 2011-01-21 00:48:13 <sipa> id call it getrawblock or so
185 2011-01-21 00:48:21 <gavinandresen> I DO think of those poor, wasted mining electrons.  Breaks my heart.  But then I think of all the gold miners who die digging gold out of the ground and I feel better.
186 2011-01-21 00:48:37 <jaywalk> ok, 4way on opteron 6100 resolved:)
187 2011-01-21 00:48:38 <andrew12^mac> jgarzik: BBE?
188 2011-01-21 00:48:38 <jgarzik> HTTP header Accept-Encoding triggers bitcoind to compress HTTP response output.
189 2011-01-21 00:48:45 <jgarzik> it actually matters to people like slush.
190 2011-01-21 00:48:55 <jgarzik> doing lots of getwork over WAN.
191 2011-01-21 00:49:13 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: does it add another dependency, or does boost have gzip built in?
192 2011-01-21 00:49:15 <jgarzik> andrew12^mac: bitcoin block explorer by theymos, aka blockexplorer.com
193 2011-01-21 00:49:19 <andrew12^mac> oh
194 2011-01-21 00:49:20 <gavinandresen> (or does ssl have zip built in?)
195 2011-01-21 00:49:28 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: ssl has it built in
196 2011-01-21 00:49:32 <jaywalk> guessing ~34000k is ok for CPU mining?:)
197 2011-01-21 00:49:37 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: probably boost too
198 2011-01-21 00:49:48 <andrew12^mac> jaywalk's nick is way too close to jgarzik
199 2011-01-21 00:49:51 <gavinandresen> jgarzik:  nice.   Always good to have TWO zip libraries......
200 2011-01-21 00:50:03 <gavinandresen> (I wonder if berkeley db has it, too)
201 2011-01-21 00:50:07 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: on linux they both ref zlib; not copies
202 2011-01-21 00:50:25 <jaywalk> andrew12^mac: jgarzik's nick is way too close to mine ;)
203 2011-01-21 00:50:28 <jaywalk> nick jwalck
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205 2011-01-21 00:50:39 <jgarzik> my Windows cpuminer install includes zlib.dll too, via both CURL and openssl dependencies
206 2011-01-21 00:50:47 <jgarzik> but yeah, SSL protocol requires zlib
207 2011-01-21 00:51:38 <jgarzik> most crypto will automatically compress as well.  from a cache efficiency standpoint, compressing is easy during encryption, while data is in L1/L2 cache.
208 2011-01-21 00:51:45 <gavinandresen> If it doesn't add any dependencies, gzipped RPC output sounds good to me.
209 2011-01-21 00:52:20 <jgarzik> #include <boost/iostreams/filter/zlib.hpp>
210 2011-01-21 00:52:24 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: no new deps
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216 2011-01-21 00:55:30 <andrew12^mac> I could use bitcointools for this script but it'd be nasty to run python inside a ruby script :P
217 2011-01-21 00:56:52 <tcatm> what are you trying to do?
218 2011-01-21 00:57:54 <andrew12^mac> tcatm: I need to be able to get a transaction that isn't mine, like http://blockexplorer.com/rawtx/a288fec5559c3f73fd3d93db8e8460562ebfe2fcf04a5114e8d0f2920a6270dc
219 2011-01-21 00:58:26 <ineedmoney> that sounds illegal
220 2011-01-21 00:58:27 <ineedmoney> just a bit
221 2011-01-21 00:58:36 <andrew12^mac> ineedmoney: blockexplorer is doing it all over the place
222 2011-01-21 00:58:46 <andrew12^mac> i don't mean 'steal'
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224 2011-01-21 00:58:56 <ineedmoney> mhmmm
225 2011-01-21 00:59:10 <donpdonp> ineedmoney: given your nickname im not sure i can believe that :)
226 2011-01-21 00:59:12 <gavinandresen> andrew12:  dbdump.py --transaction=a288fec5559c3f73fd3d93db8e8460562ebfe2fcf04a5114e8d0f2920a6270dc
227 2011-01-21 00:59:12 <luke-jr> #bitcoin-monitor is fun
228 2011-01-21 01:00:46 <andrew12^mac> luke-jr: yep
229 2011-01-21 01:02:20 <andrew12^mac> gavinandresen: that doesn't give me json though :(
230 2011-01-21 01:03:38 <andrew12^mac> and i don't have the entire block chain on here :p
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245 2011-01-21 19:34:36 <newsham> ;info
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248 2011-01-21 19:34:45 <newsham> ;;help
249 2011-01-21 19:34:46 <gribble> The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/
250 2011-01-21 19:37:30 <niekie> ;;btc,stats
251 2011-01-21 19:37:32 <gribble> Error: "btc,stats" is not a valid command.
252 2011-01-21 19:37:35 <niekie> ;;bcc,stats
253 2011-01-21 19:37:36 <gribble> Error: "bcc,stats" is not a valid command.
254 2011-01-21 19:37:38 <niekie> ;;bc,stats
255 2011-01-21 19:37:44 <gribble> Current Blocks: 103878 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 953 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 13 hours, 41 minutes, and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 21913.43490106
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257 2011-01-21 20:03:10 <devon_hillard> why are there such things as dark pools?
258 2011-01-21 20:04:35 <ducki2p> A dark pool allows large quantities to be sold without the orders being visible. This helps to lessen the price moves that would likely result when the price and size of a large order is known.
259 2011-01-21 20:04:52 testtest has joined
260 2011-01-21 20:05:01 <ducki2p> and for the economic background: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_liquidity
261 2011-01-21 20:05:54 * Kiba yawn as he wind down on his freelancing work for noagendamarket
262 2011-01-21 20:06:58 <ducki2p> devon_hillard: its a 'defense' against bots
263 2011-01-21 20:07:24 <devon_hillard> what are the inventives to trade outside the dark pool, though?
264 2011-01-21 20:07:32 <devon_hillard> in the open
265 2011-01-21 20:08:14 <CIA-106> bitcoin: Chris Moore master * r2aadc8b / init.cpp :
266 2011-01-21 20:08:14 <CIA-106> bitcoin: The -rpcssl command line option is a boolean, like -server, -daemon, -testnet,
267 2011-01-21 20:08:14 <CIA-106> bitcoin: etc. Specifying -rpcssl=1 is the same as just -rpcssl, as for any other boolean
268 2011-01-21 20:08:14 <CIA-106> bitcoin: flag, so let's show it the same in the help text. - http://bit.ly/gef77U
269 2011-01-21 20:08:14 <CIA-106> bitcoin: Chris Moore master * r86c0af5 / init.cpp : Merge branch 'rpcssl-help' of github.com:dooglus/bitcoin into dooglus-rpcssl-help - http://bit.ly/e7v6mY
270 2011-01-21 20:08:16 <Kiba> influence price?
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275 2011-01-21 20:33:33 <ineedmoney> .25
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277 2011-01-21 20:36:59 <CIA-106> bitcoin: Chris Moore master * r18cb92a / init.cpp : Merge branch 'display-version-in-help' of https://github.com/mhanne/bitcoin - http://bit.ly/gKS1Pn
278 2011-01-21 20:37:00 <CIA-106> bitcoin: Chris Moore master * rfdec7fe / (init.cpp serialize.h): Merge branch show-version-in-help-2 of https://github.com/dooglus/bitcoin - http://bit.ly/fHFpwj
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280 2011-01-21 20:45:20 <hacim> so I just plugged in a 5870 that I just got and it doesn't bring up my monitor
281 2011-01-21 20:45:27 <hacim> am i missing something obvious here?
282 2011-01-21 20:45:31 <ineedmoney> yes
283 2011-01-21 20:45:37 <ineedmoney> power cables
284 2011-01-21 20:45:39 <ineedmoney> activate the bus
285 2011-01-21 20:45:40 <ineedmoney> idk
286 2011-01-21 20:45:59 <ineedmoney> re-seat card
287 2011-01-21 20:46:02 zdp has joined
288 2011-01-21 20:46:23 <hacim> there is only supposed to be one power cable to it, unless I am mistaken
289 2011-01-21 20:46:28 <newsham> does your card ride the short bus?
290 2011-01-21 20:46:35 <ineedmoney> hacim: you might be, or maybe he didn't plug it in
291 2011-01-21 20:46:38 <ineedmoney> newsham: sorry, I know what a bus is
292 2011-01-21 20:46:52 darrob has joined
293 2011-01-21 20:46:56 <hacim> i did plug it in
294 2011-01-21 20:47:04 <ineedmoney> well plug it all the way up your...
295 2011-01-21 20:47:16 <hacim> it certainly powers up
296 2011-01-21 20:47:21 <hacim> i can hear the fan go
297 2011-01-21 20:47:28 asdf30 has joined
298 2011-01-21 20:47:29 <ineedmoney> I suggest hydrochloric acid.
299 2011-01-21 20:47:34 <ineedmoney> it's a good cleaning solvent
300 2011-01-21 20:47:50 <zdp> Just curious, does anyone know how large the bitcoin community is (people actually using it as currency)?
301 2011-01-21 20:47:56 <ineedmoney> zdp: huge
302 2011-01-21 20:48:03 <ineedmoney> zdp: "that's what she said"
303 2011-01-21 20:48:05 <hacim> what do you mean, activate the bus?
304 2011-01-21 20:48:12 <zdp> I'd assume that it would be pretty large in Europe
305 2011-01-21 20:48:22 <ineedmoney> hacim: is the bus getting power?
306 2011-01-21 20:48:22 <zdp> I just got wind of it today... this is unreal
307 2011-01-21 20:48:29 <ineedmoney> zdp: large everywhere
308 2011-01-21 20:48:32 <ineedmoney> zdp: my penis, that is
309 2011-01-21 20:48:52 <hacim> ineedmoney: the card fan starts up
310 2011-01-21 20:49:11 <ineedmoney> hacim: yes
311 2011-01-21 20:49:17 <ineedmoney> hacim: isn't that a separate power source?
312 2011-01-21 20:49:20 <ineedmoney> from the PSU?
313 2011-01-21 20:49:37 <ineedmoney> I'd check the BIOS or the pins on the mobo first
314 2011-01-21 20:49:54 <hacim> i cant get to the bios if the screen doesnt come up
315 2011-01-21 20:53:23 <andrew12> heh
316 2011-01-21 20:53:53 <[Noodles]> one powercable is not enough i guess, 5870 should have at least 2x 6pin, supposely 1x6 +1x8pin
317 2011-01-21 20:54:41 Tritonio has joined
318 2011-01-21 20:56:09 <[Noodles]> my 5850 has 1x6pin + 1x8pin, my 5970 2x8pin
319 2011-01-21 20:57:14 <BitCoinz> my cards have 2x 6 pin
320 2011-01-21 20:57:22 <BitCoinz> 5970
321 2011-01-21 20:57:44 slush1 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
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323 2011-01-21 20:58:03 <BitCoinz> not sure
324 2011-01-21 20:58:36 btcex has joined
325 2011-01-21 20:58:54 <btcex> hi again
326 2011-01-21 20:59:11 <btcex> our gambling beta released: probiwon.com
327 2011-01-21 20:59:56 <btcex> Come to test. we've already lost 9 BTC :)
328 2011-01-21 21:00:13 <BitCoinz> [Noodles] runs 5850 with 2 adapters?
329 2011-01-21 21:00:35 <[Noodles]> i'm pretty sure, couldn't get my 5850 to work with only 2x6pin, it needs 1x6+1x8
330 2011-01-21 21:00:54 <ineedmoney> BitCoinz: sup
331 2011-01-21 21:01:01 <hacim> yeah, second power header wasn't attached
332 2011-01-21 21:01:08 <[Noodles]> can't say anything about other models though
333 2011-01-21 21:01:28 <[Noodles]> and my 5970 surely needs 2x8
334 2011-01-21 21:01:34 <BitCoinz> fine money
335 2011-01-21 21:01:46 <ineedmoney> BitCoinz: I'd like some
336 2011-01-21 21:01:54 <BitCoinz> btw....i need money too :P
337 2011-01-21 21:02:01 <ineedmoney> right
338 2011-01-21 21:02:06 <ineedmoney> I'd like significant quantities please
339 2011-01-21 21:02:17 <BitCoinz> and cards xd
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341 2011-01-21 21:02:48 <ineedmoney> don't waste my time, dear
342 2011-01-21 21:03:01 <ineedmoney> time is money, friend
343 2011-01-21 21:03:20 <BitCoinz> not for friends ;)
344 2011-01-21 21:03:27 <ineedmoney> what do I get out of it?
345 2011-01-21 21:03:39 <BitCoinz> out of what?
346 2011-01-21 21:03:44 <ineedmoney> humor me
347 2011-01-21 21:03:45 <ineedmoney> quantify it
348 2011-01-21 21:04:54 <BitCoinz> i have nothing to offer yet
349 2011-01-21 21:05:23 <BitCoinz> just started mining at tuesday
350 2011-01-21 21:05:24 riush has quit (Quit: Leaving)
351 2011-01-21 21:05:41 <BitCoinz> 4 blocks solved:D
352 2011-01-21 21:06:12 <davex__> you have two 5970's?
353 2011-01-21 21:06:18 <BitCoinz> yes
354 2011-01-21 21:06:30 <BitCoinz> at 860 mhz
355 2011-01-21 21:06:54 <BitCoinz> 1270 mhash
356 2011-01-21 21:07:09 <ineedmoney> sounds good
357 2011-01-21 21:07:10 <ineedmoney> keep going
358 2011-01-21 21:07:11 <ineedmoney> pay up
359 2011-01-21 21:07:32 <BitCoinz> more coinzzzzz
360 2011-01-21 21:07:48 <ineedmoney> BitCoinz: remember that sex we were going to have? ever again?
361 2011-01-21 21:08:14 <BitCoinz> it was great wasn it? :P
362 2011-01-21 21:08:17 <davex__> wtf
363 2011-01-21 21:08:42 <ineedmoney> davex__: sorry, wifey won't pay up
364 2011-01-21 21:09:07 <BitCoinz> lol
365 2011-01-21 21:10:01 <BitCoinz> sell me your brains, i could use them in stead of 5970's
366 2011-01-21 21:10:03 <ineedmoney> she's going to regret it
367 2011-01-21 21:10:20 <BitCoinz> it would roch my ass off
368 2011-01-21 21:10:29 <ineedmoney> oh yeah
369 2011-01-21 21:10:32 <ineedmoney> that's right
370 2011-01-21 21:11:20 <BitCoinz> i only need to stich some wires in them
371 2011-01-21 21:11:27 <BitCoinz> stick*
372 2011-01-21 21:11:42 <ineedmoney> can't do wireless?
373 2011-01-21 21:11:43 <ineedmoney> fail
374 2011-01-21 21:11:59 <ineedmoney> upgrade your tech
375 2011-01-21 21:12:01 <ineedmoney> what is this
376 2011-01-21 21:12:02 <ineedmoney> 1988
377 2011-01-21 21:12:09 <BitCoinz> maybe with a wireless adapter..
378 2011-01-21 21:12:12 <ineedmoney> -_-
379 2011-01-21 21:12:14 <ineedmoney> you have no idea
380 2011-01-21 21:12:39 <BitCoinz> and with good encryption
381 2011-01-21 21:12:46 <ineedmoney> derp derp
382 2011-01-21 21:12:57 <ineedmoney> nice portfolio, by the way
383 2011-01-21 21:13:14 <BitCoinz> need a filter to....i cant use the dirt :D
384 2011-01-21 21:13:29 <ineedmoney> right right
385 2011-01-21 21:13:29 <BitCoinz> lol
386 2011-01-21 21:13:35 <ineedmoney> dirt
387 2011-01-21 21:13:39 <ineedmoney> reminds me of someone
388 2011-01-21 21:13:44 <ineedmoney> a mutual acquaintance
389 2011-01-21 21:13:52 <BitCoinz> haha
390 2011-01-21 21:13:55 <ineedmoney> you know?
391 2011-01-21 21:14:17 <BitCoinz> mutual brains produce more hashes
392 2011-01-21 21:14:20 <ineedmoney> BitCoinz: you think you're so funny.
393 2011-01-21 21:14:32 <BitCoinz> i dont think
394 2011-01-21 21:14:36 <ineedmoney> you don't know
395 2011-01-21 21:14:36 <BitCoinz> i just enjoy
396 2011-01-21 21:14:38 <BitCoinz> lol
397 2011-01-21 21:14:44 <ineedmoney> har har
398 2011-01-21 21:14:50 <BitCoinz> i know more then you think lol
399 2011-01-21 21:14:52 * ineedmoney loves the taste of honey.
400 2011-01-21 21:15:35 <ineedmoney> BitCoinz thinks I don't watch her.
401 2011-01-21 21:16:06 <BitCoinz> zijt gij een hollander misschiens?
402 2011-01-21 21:16:12 zdp has quit (Quit: Page closed)
403 2011-01-21 21:16:39 <ineedmoney> well enough
404 2011-01-21 21:16:42 <BitCoinz> ey vrekkige Hollander :P
405 2011-01-21 21:16:46 <ineedmoney> yeah yeah me too
406 2011-01-21 21:16:51 <ineedmoney> it's great to brag isnt it
407 2011-01-21 21:16:59 <ineedmoney> dork
408 2011-01-21 21:17:17 <ineedmoney> so funny
409 2011-01-21 21:17:20 <ineedmoney> soooooo so funny
410 2011-01-21 21:17:24 <ineedmoney> not
411 2011-01-21 21:18:06 <BitCoinz> jij spoort niet, jij valt in herhaling...teveel gezopen zeker?
412 2011-01-21 21:18:21 <BitCoinz> of te hard aan je poen gesnuffeld
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414 2011-01-21 21:19:37 <ineedmoney> enough.
415 2011-01-21 21:19:58 <BitCoinz> grinses
416 2011-01-21 21:20:19 <ineedmoney> -_-
417 2011-01-21 21:20:22 * ineedmoney yawns.
418 2011-01-21 21:21:29 * BitCoinz burps
419 2011-01-21 21:21:54 <BitCoinz> tasty bitburger..hmmmm
420 2011-01-21 21:22:01 <ineedmoney> hook me up
421 2011-01-21 21:22:14 <hacim> CUDA is for ati and openCL is for nvidia?
422 2011-01-21 21:22:37 <BitCoinz> i dunno...i am dump :P
423 2011-01-21 21:22:56 <BitCoinz> dumb*..burp!
424 2011-01-21 21:22:59 <ineedmoney> hahahaha
425 2011-01-21 21:23:03 <ineedmoney> freudian slip!
426 2011-01-21 21:23:13 <ineedmoney> I must be very distracting.
427 2011-01-21 21:23:16 <BitCoinz> dirty prik
428 2011-01-21 21:23:38 <BitCoinz> totally confusing...
429 2011-01-21 21:24:02 <ineedmoney> haha
430 2011-01-21 21:24:03 <ineedmoney> good
431 2011-01-21 21:24:04 <ineedmoney> fuck you
432 2011-01-21 21:24:18 <BitCoinz> rather not
433 2011-01-21 21:24:20 <ineedmoney> brb hashes
434 2011-01-21 21:24:28 <BitCoinz> what kind
435 2011-01-21 21:24:29 <BitCoinz> ?
436 2011-01-21 21:24:35 <BitCoinz> Nepal?
437 2011-01-21 21:24:41 <BitCoinz> black?
438 2011-01-21 21:24:50 <BitCoinz> or Marroc?
439 2011-01-21 21:24:56 darrob has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
440 2011-01-21 21:25:28 <BitCoinz> going to have a pipe?
441 2011-01-21 21:27:56 darrob has joined
442 2011-01-21 21:28:25 <hacim> hm, i can't seem to get this gpu miner to work on my 5870
443 2011-01-21 21:28:39 darrob has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
444 2011-01-21 21:28:50 <BitCoinz> hacim, which one?
445 2011-01-21 21:29:30 eureka^ has joined
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447 2011-01-21 21:30:03 <hacim> BitCoinz: i've tried diablo and puddinpop
448 2011-01-21 21:30:29 <ineedmoney> hacim: want a custom one?
449 2011-01-21 21:30:33 <ineedmoney> hacim: 500btc
450 2011-01-21 21:30:38 eureka^ has joined
451 2011-01-21 21:31:17 <hacim> no, i want to get any one working
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453 2011-01-21 21:31:20 <BitCoinz> what OS?
454 2011-01-21 21:31:54 <hacim> BitCoinz: linux
455 2011-01-21 21:32:17 <hacim> "ERROR: No OpenCL platforms found"
456 2011-01-21 21:32:28 <ineedmoney> why not
457 2011-01-21 21:32:36 <ineedmoney> maybe you need to stop wearing platform shoes.
458 2011-01-21 21:33:27 <davex__> are you 12 ineedmoney?
459 2011-01-21 21:33:34 <hacim> do I need to install some openCL drivers or something?
460 2011-01-21 21:33:42 <ineedmoney> davex__: uhuh
461 2011-01-21 21:34:29 <BitCoinz> yes
462 2011-01-21 21:35:56 <ineedmoney> so it BitCoinz
463 2011-01-21 21:36:02 <ineedmoney> is*
464 2011-01-21 21:36:02 <ineedmoney> shit
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469 2011-01-21 21:47:48 <hacim> Diablo-D3: hey, i'm trying to get your miner to work on an ati card
470 2011-01-21 21:47:57 <hacim> I keep getting ERROR: No OpenCL platforms found
471 2011-01-21 21:48:08 <hacim> wondering what I am missing here
472 2011-01-21 21:48:17 molecular has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
473 2011-01-21 21:48:43 <lfm> hacim what driver version?
474 2011-01-21 21:49:01 <hacim> lfm: 10.12
475 2011-01-21 21:49:17 <hacim> although the name says 10.11, the revision is 10.12
476 2011-01-21 21:49:25 <lfm> are you running it from an X login?
477 2011-01-21 21:49:32 <hacim> lfm: yes, in an xterm
478 2011-01-21 21:50:03 <lfm> did you install the opencl/streams sdk?
479 2011-01-21 21:50:22 <hacim> lfm: i downloaded it, and I set some environment variables, and then did a make
480 2011-01-21 21:50:33 <hacim> it wasn't clear how you actually install it, but the make worked out
481 2011-01-21 21:51:03 <lfm> you missed the /etc/ file then? another tar.gz I forget the exact name atm
482 2011-01-21 21:51:10 <hacim> no, i got that installed
483 2011-01-21 21:51:23 <hacim> the icd-registration
484 2011-01-21 21:51:38 <lfm> oh ok ya that
485 2011-01-21 21:51:41 <hacim> oddly, it only put a nvidia one in there
486 2011-01-21 21:52:04 <hacim> hm thats not what is in the tarball
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490 2011-01-21 21:52:34 <hacim> aha
491 2011-01-21 21:52:41 <lfm> ok you did it wrong, tryu looking up the instructions again
492 2011-01-21 21:52:41 <hacim> it seems that untar didn't work right
493 2011-01-21 21:52:46 <hacim> now it works
494 2011-01-21 21:53:02 <lfm> there you go
495 2011-01-21 21:53:30 <lfm> which sdk version?
496 2011-01-21 21:53:40 <hacim> 2.3
497 2011-01-21 21:53:47 <hacim> i swear i untarred that right before :)
498 2011-01-21 21:53:58 <lfm> sdk 2.1 should work better for bitcoin
499 2011-01-21 21:55:08 darrob has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
500 2011-01-21 21:55:29 <bitanarchy> This is probably not the right place to ask but, why is the spread at goldmoney (2.7%) much larger than at bullionvault (1.6%)?
501 2011-01-21 21:56:13 <lfm> biyanarchy different markets will have different people making different bid
502 2011-01-21 21:56:34 <hacim> Diablo-D3: nevermind :)
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505 2011-01-21 21:58:45 <bitanarchy> lfm: I thought that it would have something to do with security...
506 2011-01-21 21:59:31 <lfm> or maybe different profit margins
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508 2011-01-21 22:00:28 <BitCoinz> 2.1 works great with me
509 2011-01-21 22:01:55 <bitanarchy> sharp peaks on the bitcoin exchange rate...
510 2011-01-21 22:02:56 <ineedmoney> bitanarchy really now?
511 2011-01-21 22:03:01 <ineedmoney> someone is supposing the value will go up?
512 2011-01-21 22:03:21 <lfm> lots of people
513 2011-01-21 22:03:29 <ineedmoney> haha
514 2011-01-21 22:03:36 <ineedmoney> I think it's one girl with multiple personality disorder.
515 2011-01-21 22:04:19 <lfm> you think it will go down?
516 2011-01-21 22:04:23 <ineedmoney> never!
517 2011-01-21 22:04:29 <ineedmoney> safer than galactic credits!
518 2011-01-21 22:05:30 <lfm> seems you might be trying to be sarcastic. hard to tell in text mediums
519 2011-01-21 22:05:36 <ineedmoney> paranoid schizophrenia
520 2011-01-21 22:05:38 <ineedmoney> ?
521 2011-01-21 22:06:34 <lfm> yes that would explain it too
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527 2011-01-21 22:10:42 <bitanarchy> how do i get a readable list of channels on freenode?
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533 2011-01-21 22:17:07 <Diablo-D3> [04:43:08] <hacim> Diablo-D3: hey, i'm trying to get your miner to work on an ati card
534 2011-01-21 22:17:07 <Diablo-D3> [04:43:16] <hacim> I keep getting ERROR: No OpenCL platforms found
535 2011-01-21 22:17:07 <Diablo-D3> [04:43:28] <hacim> wondering what I am missing here
536 2011-01-21 22:17:18 <Diablo-D3> you forgot to export the path
537 2011-01-21 22:17:46 <lfm> naw he found the problem he untarred the icd from the wrong place
538 2011-01-21 22:17:47 <Diablo-D3> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/ati-stream-sdk-v2.1-lnx64/lib/x86_64/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
539 2011-01-21 22:17:48 <Diablo-D3> or whatnot
540 2011-01-21 22:17:51 <Diablo-D3> lfm: ahh
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542 2011-01-21 22:17:56 <Diablo-D3> yeah, you need to untar it in / as root
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552 2011-01-21 22:37:30 * Kiba is about to conclude his interview
553 2011-01-21 22:37:39 <Kiba> I will have 3 articles for the next issue of The Bitcoin Times
554 2011-01-21 22:41:50 <Sthebig> Is there anywhere to download the nvidia OpenCL drivers for windows without registering?
555 2011-01-21 22:42:36 <lfm> there a ubuntu package if you run ubuntu
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557 2011-01-21 22:46:03 <slush1> lfm: I found only SDK 2.3. Is here also package for 2.1?
558 2011-01-21 22:46:47 <lfm> dunno i think 2.3 is ok for nvidia
559 2011-01-21 22:47:28 <slush1> oh, nvidia, sorry
560 2011-01-21 22:47:34 <lfm> slush for ati I got 2.1 from ati site
561 2011-01-21 22:47:55 <Diablo-D3> Sthebig: you're on nvidia?
562 2011-01-21 22:48:03 <Sthebig> Yeah.
563 2011-01-21 22:48:11 <Diablo-D3> buy AMD next time.
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565 2011-01-21 22:48:45 <slush1> fine. I'm working on mining USB stick based on Ubuntu. But I'm out of space right now, 1GB partition isn't enough :)
566 2011-01-21 22:48:59 <Diablo-D3> slush1: thats where you went wrong
567 2011-01-21 22:49:03 <lfm> next time for him might be in 2 years and nvidia might be better again by then
568 2011-01-21 22:49:22 <Diablo-D3> slush1: you'd probably really want alpine and a custom script that starts X up with the proper drivers
569 2011-01-21 22:49:35 <Diablo-D3> lfm: nvidia might not even be making video cards in 2 years
570 2011-01-21 22:50:04 <lfm> ok intel might be best by then! grin, ok I wont hold my breath
571 2011-01-21 22:50:18 <Diablo-D3> well, hey, at least intel can run opencl now
572 2011-01-21 22:50:30 <Diablo-D3> on those new gma hd 2 and 3 cores
573 2011-01-21 22:50:39 <Sthebig> Yeah, I've been considering buying/building a new PC. This one is getting pretty old. But that's not a solution for me right now. Has anyone gotten those windows drivers?
574 2011-01-21 22:50:44 <Diablo-D3> (too bad gma hd 1, and gmas before that, cant)
575 2011-01-21 22:50:52 <slush1> I like ubuntu, don't want to learn how to hack another system just for mining
576 2011-01-21 22:50:56 <Diablo-D3> (and the new on-die gmas arent even gma hd)
577 2011-01-21 22:51:10 <lfm> sthebig why cant you just register?
578 2011-01-21 22:51:10 <Diablo-D3> (and it does about 5 mhash on the fastest one)
579 2011-01-21 22:51:18 <Diablo-D3> yeah, you can just register
580 2011-01-21 22:51:25 <Diablo-D3> they want your email address for spam
581 2011-01-21 22:51:27 <Diablo-D3> thats about it
582 2011-01-21 22:51:45 <Sthebig> Did you look at the registration form? They practically want your first born...
583 2011-01-21 22:51:56 <Diablo-D3> are you sure you're going to the right site?
584 2011-01-21 22:52:00 <Sthebig> http://nvdeveloper.nvidia.com/content/GPUComputingDeveloperApplication/frmDeveloperRegistration.asp ?
585 2011-01-21 22:52:01 <Diablo-D3> the normal drivers contain the opencl libs
586 2011-01-21 22:52:06 <Sthebig> linked from http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_opencl_new.html
587 2011-01-21 22:52:23 <Sthebig> Oh, really?
588 2011-01-21 22:52:27 <Diablo-D3> so just install normal 260.x drivers, reboot, and instant opencl.
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590 2011-01-21 22:52:42 <Sthebig> Ah, okay. I should be good then. I guess my error message is unrelated.
591 2011-01-21 22:52:48 <Diablo-D3> whats the error message?
592 2011-01-21 22:52:56 <lfm> error message??
593 2011-01-21 22:53:10 <Sthebig> build LOG:<program source>:66:2: error: call to 'rotate' is ambiguous
594 2011-01-21 22:53:23 <Diablo-D3> Sthebig: yes, that clearly means opencl is working, it just hates you
595 2011-01-21 22:53:27 <Sthebig> using bitcoin-rpcminer-20101231-win32bin
596 2011-01-21 22:53:39 <Diablo-D3> whos miner is that?
597 2011-01-21 22:53:40 <Sthebig> was gonna test out your miner Diablo-D3
598 2011-01-21 22:53:55 <Sthebig> https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2444.0
599 2011-01-21 22:53:55 <Diablo-D3> my miner works on nvidia on windows... just make sure you have 260.x installed
600 2011-01-21 22:54:00 <Sthebig> puddinpop
601 2011-01-21 22:54:06 <Diablo-D3> puddingpop's is shit
602 2011-01-21 22:54:22 <lfm> m0mchill had that problem with nvida a long time ago iirc
603 2011-01-21 22:54:49 <Diablo-D3> Ive had that problem too
604 2011-01-21 22:54:49 <lfm> oh use the cuda one of puddin's for nvidia
605 2011-01-21 22:54:55 <Diablo-D3> his kernel is missing a cast
606 2011-01-21 22:55:02 <Diablo-D3> and the compiler is too stupid to automatically do it
607 2011-01-21 22:55:23 <Diablo-D3> Sthebig: generally, my miner should be faster than his
608 2011-01-21 22:55:27 <Diablo-D3> even if his uses cuda
609 2011-01-21 22:55:36 <Sthebig> lfm: yeah, that's what I've been using, the cuda one.
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611 2011-01-21 22:56:13 <lfm> or try disblo's if you can handle the java agreements! grin
612 2011-01-21 22:56:17 <noagendamarket> what would be the expected block rate for 2 5970's for 12 months ?
613 2011-01-21 22:56:37 <Diablo-D3> noagendamarket: quite a few.
614 2011-01-21 22:56:47 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: remember that I dd-ed a disc yesterday?
615 2011-01-21 22:56:53 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: yeah?
616 2011-01-21 22:57:14 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: that hdd was about to die, I knew this, from smartd. Well - it died today :) The 'original' one :)
617 2011-01-21 22:57:20 <lfm> it should be able to keep the same rate as for 1 sec
618 2011-01-21 22:57:23 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: nice.
619 2011-01-21 22:58:23 <Diablo-D3> noagendamarket: btw, the expected H==0 rate is one every 3 minutes
620 2011-01-21 22:58:35 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: but I wanted a miner up and running, without HDD, so I took an 8GB usb key and rsynced the 'copy' to it, chrooted into it, update-grub - and voila: the 8GB kingstone usb key is now a perfect copy of that HDD, and miner PC is up and running.
621 2011-01-21 22:58:49 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: lol
622 2011-01-21 22:59:00 <cosurgi> and that PC is now booting from usb key :)
623 2011-01-21 22:59:07 <lfm> wtg
624 2011-01-21 22:59:10 <noagendamarket> Diablo a block evry 3 min ?
625 2011-01-21 22:59:19 <cosurgi> with whole configuration intact. And your 'git pull && mvn package' stuff, that you helped me last week.
626 2011-01-21 22:59:30 <lfm> ;;bc,calc 1100000
627 2011-01-21 22:59:31 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1100000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 19 hours, 59 minutes, and 50 seconds
628 2011-01-21 23:00:15 <Diablo-D3> noagendamarket: a H==0 every 3 minutes
629 2011-01-21 23:00:27 <Diablo-D3> noagendamarket: in other words, a pool share.
630 2011-01-21 23:00:40 <noagendamarket> ok
631 2011-01-21 23:00:41 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,calc 1065000
632 2011-01-21 23:00:42 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1065000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 20 hours, 39 minutes, and 15 seconds
633 2011-01-21 23:01:00 <lfm> if you're gonna run for a year, it would of course depend on the difficulty rate and no one knows what that will be in a year
634 2011-01-21 23:01:11 <Diablo-D3> lfm: well, we can mostly calculate that
635 2011-01-21 23:01:34 <Diablo-D3> we know how long it takes to jump difficulty, and we know roughly how much it goes up every time
636 2011-01-21 23:01:35 <lfm> extrapolation s are just another estimate
637 2011-01-21 23:01:40 <Diablo-D3> yeah
638 2011-01-21 23:01:44 <Diablo-D3> but it'll be in the right ballpark
639 2011-01-21 23:01:56 <lfm> maybe
640 2011-01-21 23:02:04 <Diablo-D3> it'll be, roughly, a magnitude more than now.
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642 2011-01-21 23:02:21 <lfm> or it could crash
643 2011-01-21 23:02:29 <BitCoinz> ;;bc,calc 1300000
644 2011-01-21 23:02:30 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1300000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 16 hours, 55 minutes, and 14 seconds
645 2011-01-21 23:02:33 <Diablo-D3> my god how many slushes do we have
646 2011-01-21 23:02:58 <dooglus> ;;bc,calc 1000000
647 2011-01-21 23:02:59 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 21 hours, 59 minutes, and 49 seconds
648 2011-01-21 23:03:12 <slush2> lol, I'm just switching network cables
649 2011-01-21 23:03:32 <dooglus> ;;bc,calc 1000
650 2011-01-21 23:03:32 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 2 years, 26 weeks, 4 days, 12 hours, 57 minutes, and 59 seconds
651 2011-01-21 23:03:53 <cosurgi> ;;bc,calc 719172
652 2011-01-21 23:03:53 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 719172 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 1 day, 6 hours, 35 minutes, and 11 seconds
653 2011-01-21 23:04:18 <cosurgi> okay. I think that I can stop buying GPUs.
654 2011-01-21 23:04:32 slush1 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
655 2011-01-21 23:04:40 <cosurgi> My "sell-bitcoins" ability is already saturated.
656 2011-01-21 23:05:49 <cosurgi> I had cut a hole on the bottom of the case, for better air exchange. And now - instead of 95C it is 77C :)
657 2011-01-21 23:06:00 <devon_hillard> How good are AMD's APUs, if you had a chance of seeing one?
658 2011-01-21 23:07:49 <andrew12> hmm
659 2011-01-21 23:08:51 <andrew12> when bitcoin eventually reaches 0 BTC/block, will there still be blocks being generated?
660 2011-01-21 23:09:18 <andrew12> I'd figure the answer is yes but I'm not sure
661 2011-01-21 23:09:27 <cosurgi> yes, they will be
662 2011-01-21 23:09:31 <donpdonp> andrew12: my understanding is, when the bounty goes to zero, the transaction fee mechanism becomes important (if it hasnt already by that time)
663 2011-01-21 23:09:44 <andrew12> the difficulty will probably go way down :P
664 2011-01-21 23:09:48 <cosurgi> and you will still get money from blocks being generated - transaction fees.
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666 2011-01-21 23:10:02 <andrew12> ooh
667 2011-01-21 23:10:10 <andrew12> didn't think of that
668 2011-01-21 23:10:24 <andrew12> i wonder what the block/day rate will turn into
669 2011-01-21 23:10:24 <donpdonp> andrew12: so there is the potential to make even more than 50btc due to fees
670 2011-01-21 23:10:31 <andrew12> yup
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672 2011-01-21 23:18:51 <luke-jr> whoever writes a miner that uses Sandy Bridge's SHA256 accel gets proceeds from the first week I run it <.<
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674 2011-01-21 23:19:29 <lfm> in fact long before it reaches zero it will get so small no one will care, in about 2160 or so i think it will be less than 0.01 btc
675 2011-01-21 23:19:52 <andrew12> oh wait
676 2011-01-21 23:19:57 <andrew12> hmm'
677 2011-01-21 23:20:16 <andrew12> the coins/block is halved every two years right?
678 2011-01-21 23:20:29 <lfm> 4 years I think
679 2011-01-21 23:20:52 <lfm> if it was 2 years itd be 1/2 now
680 2011-01-21 23:23:12 <jgarzik> luke-jr: unless it permits little endian midstate, it will be slow like VIA SHA256
681 2011-01-21 23:23:21 darrob has joined
682 2011-01-21 23:24:20 <lfm> the endianness is not what makes it slow
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686 2011-01-21 23:37:02 <andrew12> hmm
687 2011-01-21 23:37:22 <andrew12> I wonder what the market prices will be like in 2160 :P
688 2011-01-21 23:37:34 <ineedmoney> ask the federation
689 2011-01-21 23:43:11 <ineedmoney> BitCoinz:
690 2011-01-21 23:44:22 Kiba has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
691 2011-01-21 23:44:57 * jgarzik ponders finding someone who will code python for him
692 2011-01-21 23:45:01 <jgarzik> for BTC
693 2011-01-21 23:45:26 <andrew12> why python? :P
694 2011-01-21 23:45:45 <jgarzik> because it's my choice :)
695 2011-01-21 23:46:06 <andrew12> and what kind of stuff would you want them to code?
696 2011-01-21 23:46:44 <jgarzik> dynamic websites.  would need to know JS, HTML, CSS too, but I would want the main code for database backends and such in python.
697 2011-01-21 23:47:33 <tcatm> jgarzik: I could do that.
698 2011-01-21 23:47:42 <andrew12> me too. :p
699 2011-01-21 23:48:05 <andrew12> hmm
700 2011-01-21 23:48:39 <andrew12> should probably start working on the web wallet thing like i said i was going to
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703 2011-01-21 23:56:23 <luke-jr> lfm: if 0.01 BTC isn't worth a lot by 2160, Bitcoin will be dead
704 2011-01-21 23:56:59 <jgarzik> luke-jr: true
705 2011-01-21 23:57:24 <luke-jr> jgarzik: are you a Linux SATA developer?
706 2011-01-21 23:57:29 <jgarzik> luke-jr: yes
707 2011-01-21 23:57:36 <luke-jr> thought I recognized your name XD
708 2011-01-21 23:58:05 <ineedmoney> haha
709 2011-01-21 23:58:15 <ineedmoney> funny!
710 2011-01-21 23:59:25 <andrew12> do you guys know any good code editors for windows?
711 2011-01-21 23:59:37 <luke-jr> Notepad
712 2011-01-21 23:59:44 <andrew12> syntax highlighting plz
713 2011-01-21 23:59:47 <luke-jr> Notepad++