1 2011-01-22 00:00:02 <luke-jr> you can install KDE on Windows these days
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   3 2011-01-22 00:00:14 <andrew12> not easily :P
   4 2011-01-22 00:00:34 <luke-jr> well, nothing is ever easy on Windows
   5 2011-01-22 00:00:41 <andrew12> true
   6 2011-01-22 00:00:52 <andrew12> hm
   7 2011-01-22 00:01:02 <andrew12> maybe its time to make use of my linux partition?
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  17 2011-01-22 00:36:14 <tcatm> A little bit offtopic: What's the best way to sync directories (like $home) across computers (linux)?
  18 2011-01-22 00:38:00 <ThomasV_> rsync
  19 2011-01-22 00:38:34 <tcatm> can it work in both directions?
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  22 2011-01-22 00:42:49 <andrew12> tcatm: yes
  23 2011-01-22 00:43:12 <andrew12> rsync -axvz folder user@other_computer:folder
  24 2011-01-22 00:43:31 <andrew12> rsync -axvz user@other_computer:folder folder
  25 2011-01-22 00:43:42 <andrew12> both computers need rsync installed
  26 2011-01-22 00:43:58 <andrew12> and an ssh server that's accessible.. though i think there is some sort of rsync server
  27 2011-01-22 00:44:04 <andrew12> but ssh is easier.
  28 2011-01-22 00:44:04 <tcatm> That doesn't care about deleted files, does it?
  29 2011-01-22 00:44:12 <andrew12> you can make it care about them
  30 2011-01-22 00:44:14 <andrew12> --delete :P
  31 2011-01-22 00:44:30 <andrew12> (i think)
  32 2011-01-22 00:44:49 <andrew12> read the man page :)
  33 2011-01-22 00:44:58 <tcatm> Won't that delete files on one host (depending on which command I issue first) instead of syncing?
  34 2011-01-22 00:45:07 <andrew12> hm
  35 2011-01-22 00:45:15 <andrew12> i think there's something that does syncing too
  36 2011-01-22 00:45:33 <andrew12> hmm
  37 2011-01-22 00:46:05 <andrew12> unless you do --delete, it'll copy everything you have to the other folder on the other computer
  38 2011-01-22 00:46:12 <andrew12> whether there's files there or not
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  40 2011-01-22 00:52:40 <jgarzik> tcatm: rsync --delete says "make remote $foo look exactly like local $foo"
  41 2011-01-22 00:53:44 <tcatm> jgarzik: thanks. So no bi-directional sync
  42 2011-01-22 00:54:56 <jgarzik> tcatm: well you can run rsync twice
  43 2011-01-22 00:55:03 <jgarzik> switching local/remote params
  44 2011-01-22 00:55:14 <mahadri> --delete                delete extraneous files from dest dirs
  45 2011-01-22 00:55:32 <jgarzik> but real "bi-directional sync" requires domain-specific knowledge, for conflict resolution
  46 2011-01-22 00:55:55 <tcatm> Would be acceptable if it prompted me for every file that conflicts
  47 2011-01-22 00:56:22 <tcatm> Use case will be syncing my personal work directory between two computers (laptop and workstation)
  48 2011-01-22 00:57:42 <jgarzik> you can seamlessly script it, if your workflow permits designation of one location as "primary" (== contains the most authoritative copy of personal work directory at the moment)
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  50 2011-01-22 00:58:32 <jgarzik> $ sync_mkprimary laptop ; sync_run         # copies laptop work dir to workstation
  51 2011-01-22 00:58:49 <jgarzik> $ sync_mkprimary workstation ; sync_run         # copies workstation work to laptop
  52 2011-01-22 00:58:58 <tcatm> mhm will have to think about it
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  56 2011-01-22 01:05:38 <luke-jr> if my new PC uses max 5 amps, will a 500 W power supply be able to handle adding a high-end Radeon or two? :P
  57 2011-01-22 01:06:16 <luke-jr> tcatm: git!
  58 2011-01-22 01:06:19 <tcatm> One HD 5970 should work
  59 2011-01-22 01:06:41 <luke-jr> 5970 requires PCIe 2.1, doesn't it? even my brand new mobo doesn't have that…
  60 2011-01-22 01:07:27 <luke-jr> 2 would push it over the limit?
  61 2011-01-22 01:07:37 <tcatm> luke-jr: git seems to be a good idea, but I have to re-structure my directories for that to work well
  62 2011-01-22 01:07:59 <tcatm> I have a 850W PSU here that can't handle 2x 5970
  63 2011-01-22 01:08:12 <luke-jr> if 850 can't handle two, how could 500 handle one? :/
  64 2011-01-22 01:08:29 <tcatm> I have another 850W PSU that can handle two just fine
  65 2011-01-22 01:08:54 <tcatm> But a single 500W can never power two 5970.
  66 2011-01-22 01:10:22 <luke-jr> wait, I meant 5/4 amps
  67 2011-01-22 01:10:42 <tcatm> As in 1.25 amps?
  68 2011-01-22 01:10:46 <luke-jr> yeah
  69 2011-01-22 01:10:56 <luke-jr> I forgot I had the measurement thing around 4 loops
  70 2011-01-22 01:11:11 <tcatm> That's about 150W
  71 2011-01-22 01:11:17 <luke-jr> hmm
  72 2011-01-22 01:11:22 <luke-jr> so Radeons use how much?
  73 2011-01-22 01:11:30 <tcatm> (I assume 115V AC, )
  74 2011-01-22 01:11:45 <luke-jr> 120 I think
  75 2011-01-22 01:11:51 <tcatm> Close enough.
  76 2011-01-22 01:12:36 <tcatm> IIRC one HD5870 consumes about 200W mining Bitcoins
  77 2011-01-22 01:12:39 <luke-jr> so about 300-350 per Radeon? :|
  78 2011-01-22 01:12:44 <luke-jr> ah
  79 2011-01-22 01:13:08 <tcatm> A 5970 should be ~300W because of reduced speed and core voltage
  80 2011-01-22 01:13:42 <luke-jr> why do video cards use more power than the entire system otherwise? -.-
  81 2011-01-22 01:13:45 <tcatm> so 450W incl. your system, probably close to 500W at the plug.
  82 2011-01-22 01:13:53 <luke-jr> especially considering I already have a pretty awesome IGP
  83 2011-01-22 01:14:04 <tcatm> Because they're like 60x as fast as your quadcore CPU? :)
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  86 2011-01-22 01:16:00 <ineedmoney> oh nice
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  89 2011-01-22 01:16:09 <ineedmoney> noagendamarket: hey!
  90 2011-01-22 01:16:15 <noagendamarket> hey
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  92 2011-01-22 01:30:02 <ineedmoney> how's it going, bro?
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 102 2011-01-22 02:20:14 <midnightmagic_> any chance someone could check libertyreserve.com and tell me if it's down for them too? :-)
 103 2011-01-22 02:26:40 <[Noodles]> seems online to me
 104 2011-01-22 02:31:35 <necrodearia> midnightmagic http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
 105 2011-01-22 02:43:02 <MT`AwAy> here, another site accepting bitcoin!
 106 2011-01-22 02:43:38 <andrew12> orly?
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 108 2011-01-22 02:45:03 <MT`AwAy> yep
 109 2011-01-22 02:45:11 <MT`AwAy> http://www.autovps.net/?Currency=BTC :p
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 111 2011-01-22 02:49:17 <andrew12> if gpus are so fast then why don't the graphics companies make cpus?
 112 2011-01-22 02:49:37 <tcatm> They wouldn't run windows.
 113 2011-01-22 02:49:55 <andrew12> why not?
 114 2011-01-22 02:50:20 <tcatm> Windows only runs on x86
 115 2011-01-22 02:50:26 <andrew12> that's true
 116 2011-01-22 02:50:50 <jwalck> GPS would be terribly slow at general purpose things too:)
 117 2011-01-22 02:51:04 <andrew12> jwalck: really? why?
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 119 2011-01-22 02:51:34 <jwalck> andrew12: the cores have a limited instruction set / basically vector processors
 120 2011-01-22 02:51:48 <ArtForz> yep
 121 2011-01-22 02:51:49 <jwalck> and in current installations low bandwidth to the rest of the system / too little memory
 122 2011-01-22 02:52:04 <andrew12> heh
 123 2011-01-22 02:52:06 <andrew12> memory wall!
 124 2011-01-22 02:52:08 <ArtForz> main problem is they're really wide vector processors
 125 2011-01-22 02:52:08 <jwalck> AMD is working on merging the two more though, check out AMD Fusion and APUs
 126 2011-01-22 02:52:28 <ArtForz> ATIs are 64-SIMD
 127 2011-01-22 02:52:35 <andrew12> jwalck: also technically CPUs have a limited instruction set too.
 128 2011-01-22 02:52:53 <ArtForz> well, actually 64-SIMD of 5-VLIW or 4-VLIW units
 129 2011-01-22 02:53:03 <ArtForz> nvidias are 16-SIMD
 130 2011-01-22 02:53:33 <ArtForz> and each "core" is a simple pipelined in-order design
 131 2011-01-22 02:53:39 <jwalck> andrew12: not limited in the same sense. its ment for everything
 132 2011-01-22 02:53:52 <jwalck> and optimized for whats common
 133 2011-01-22 02:54:05 <ArtForz> also GPU memory subsystems aren't designed for random access
 134 2011-01-22 02:54:06 <andrew12> well are they turing complete? :p
 135 2011-01-22 02:54:10 <ArtForz> and they don't have much cache
 136 2011-01-22 02:54:11 <ArtForz> yes
 137 2011-01-22 02:54:18 <andrew12> then you can do "anything"
 138 2011-01-22 02:54:19 <andrew12> :p
 139 2011-01-22 02:54:22 <ArtForz> you could implement most of a OS on a modern GPU
 140 2011-01-22 02:54:27 <ArtForz> it'd be pretty slow though
 141 2011-01-22 02:54:51 <jwalck> not ment to and cant is different:)
 142 2011-01-22 02:55:00 <andrew12> instead, use your gpu for complicated things, like generating bitcoins! :P
 143 2011-01-22 02:55:09 <andrew12> they're probably so fast BECAUSE they have a limited instruction set
 144 2011-01-22 02:55:24 <ArtForz> the instruction set really isn't THAT limited
 145 2011-01-22 02:55:28 <andrew12> or at least that's probably one of the reasons
 146 2011-01-22 02:55:42 <ArtForz> at least not more limited than most RISC CPUs
 147 2011-01-22 02:55:49 <jwalck> ArtForz: tbh i havent looked closely at gpu design for a few generations:)
 148 2011-01-22 02:55:59 <ArtForz> you should
 149 2011-01-22 02:56:15 <ArtForz> fixed-function shader pipes are pretty much gone
 150 2011-01-22 02:56:29 <andrew12> hehe, the funny thing is, i'm interested in this stuff, but there's a point when it gets a little too technical for me
 151 2011-01-22 02:56:31 * Diablo-D3 looks at conversastion for the past few minutes
 152 2011-01-22 02:56:32 <jwalck> maybe:) but I'm not studying towards working with VLSI any longer
 153 2011-01-22 02:56:32 <Diablo-D3> noobs
 154 2011-01-22 02:56:37 <andrew12> like most of the stuff you guys are talking about in here
 155 2011-01-22 02:56:48 <andrew12> like half of it i understand :p
 156 2011-01-22 02:56:55 <andrew12> (if even)
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 158 2011-01-22 03:00:08 <midnightmagic_> yeah, that downforeveryone site told me it was down for a little while there..
 159 2011-01-22 03:00:16 <midnightmagic_> anyway, thanks. looks fine now. night all :-)
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 165 2011-01-22 03:10:58 <newsham> sfw pr0n http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/127308/
 166 2011-01-22 03:11:00 <newsham> 0btc
 167 2011-01-22 03:15:15 <andrew12> er, is it porn or not?
 168 2011-01-22 03:15:18 <andrew12> sfw != por
 169 2011-01-22 03:15:20 <andrew12> sfw != porn
 170 2011-01-22 03:21:23 <luke-jr> how long between difficulty raises?
 171 2011-01-22 03:21:35 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 535000
 172 2011-01-22 03:21:36 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 535000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 1 day, 17 hours, 6 minutes, and 56 seconds
 173 2011-01-22 03:21:58 <andrew12> luke-jr: 2016 blocks iirc.
 174 2011-01-22 03:22:11 <luke-jr> andrew12: what's that in time?
 175 2011-01-22 03:22:33 <andrew12> it varies
 176 2011-01-22 03:23:18 <andrew12> if it were to stay at 1 block every 10 minutes, then....
 177 2011-01-22 03:23:26 <andrew12> ;;calc 2016*10
 178 2011-01-22 03:23:26 <gribble> 2,016 * 10 = 20,160
 179 2011-01-22 03:23:34 <andrew12> 20160 minutes. :p
 180 2011-01-22 03:23:49 <andrew12> ;;calc 20160/60
 181 2011-01-22 03:23:50 <gribble> 20 160 / 60 = 336
 182 2011-01-22 03:23:56 <andrew12> ;;calc 336/12
 183 2011-01-22 03:23:56 <gribble> 336 / 12 = 28
 184 2011-01-22 03:24:03 <andrew12> so about once a month
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 186 2011-01-22 03:26:11 <[Noodles]> 12hrs a day?
 187 2011-01-22 03:26:22 <[Noodles]> it's more like ~2weeks
 188 2011-01-22 03:26:49 <andrew12> wee
 189 2011-01-22 03:26:52 <andrew12> err*
 190 2011-01-22 03:27:02 <ArtForz> exactly 2 weeks
 191 2011-01-22 03:27:09 <andrew12> yeah
 192 2011-01-22 03:27:16 <ArtForz> at nominal 600s/block
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 195 2011-01-22 03:29:46 <luke-jr> so what's with this PCIe 2.1?
 196 2011-01-22 03:29:55 <luke-jr> every motherboard I saw was 2.0 at best
 197 2011-01-22 03:30:45 <nevezen> I tried puddinpop's miner, artforz..
 198 2011-01-22 03:30:56 <ArtForz> and?
 199 2011-01-22 03:30:58 <nevezen> finally got it churning some hashes/s
 200 2011-01-22 03:31:06 <nevezen> but it's significantly lower that m0mchil's..
 201 2011-01-22 03:31:12 <Kiba> yo
 202 2011-01-22 03:31:19 <nevezen> about 10Mh/s
 203 2011-01-22 03:31:21 <ArtForz> weird
 204 2011-01-22 03:31:36 <ArtForz> luke-jr: iirc 2.1 is 2.0 w/ hotplug support
 205 2011-01-22 03:31:47 <luke-jr> oh, so it should work fine in a 2.0 mobo?
 206 2011-01-22 03:31:49 <hacim> hm, I just found my first block, but it was part of the mining pool, so I still get less than 1btc in reward :P
 207 2011-01-22 03:31:54 <ArtForz> yep
 208 2011-01-22 03:32:12 <ArtForz> 2.1 is backward compatible with 2.0 in any combination
 209 2011-01-22 03:33:20 <luke-jr> when is the next difficulty change?
 210 2011-01-22 03:33:46 <ArtForz> ;;bc,stats
 211 2011-01-22 03:33:48 <gribble> Current Blocks: 103924 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 907 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 8 hours, 59 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 21702.49349415
 212 2011-01-22 03:34:04 <andrew12> oh hey
 213 2011-01-22 03:34:06 <andrew12> there it is
 214 2011-01-22 03:34:06 <andrew12> :P
 215 2011-01-22 03:34:23 <luke-jr> so about 3 days? :p
 216 2011-01-22 03:34:31 <ArtForz> useful bot is useful
 217 2011-01-22 03:34:38 <luke-jr> hmm
 218 2011-01-22 03:34:54 <luke-jr> it's tempting to invest in a high-end card and temporarily mine on blobs…
 219 2011-01-22 03:35:18 <luke-jr> but I can easily foresee a lot of people building mining rigs and difficulty going way way up before the 2-3 month break-even
 220 2011-01-22 03:36:07 <luke-jr> especially considering this http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2826.0
 221 2011-01-22 03:36:31 <[Noodles]> the longer you wait, the less you'll generate
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 223 2011-01-22 03:37:03 <luke-jr> [Noodles]: yeah, the thing is I'm not interested at all if I can't even break even :P
 224 2011-01-22 03:37:21 <[Noodles]> noone can tell, what future does to prices
 225 2011-01-22 03:37:21 <nevezen> I doubt you'll break even
 226 2011-01-22 03:37:35 <ArtForz> depends a lot on power cost
 227 2011-01-22 03:37:48 <OneFixt> does anyone know the point of "    Sleep(2000);" in CheckWork()?
 228 2011-01-22 03:37:56 <nevezen> but wouldn't it be even harder to mine in a couple years?
 229 2011-01-22 03:38:02 <ArtForz> yes
 230 2011-01-22 03:38:06 <nevezen> when generation gets cut in half?
 231 2011-01-22 03:38:27 <ArtForz> yes
 232 2011-01-22 03:38:48 <ArtForz> I suspect we'll see a big drop in hashrate then
 233 2011-01-22 03:38:52 <nevezen> would it be worth mining then?
 234 2011-01-22 03:39:10 <lfm> luke-jr you dont think that bitcoin mining managment service is a scam?
 235 2011-01-22 03:39:15 <[Noodles]> how could you tell, if it's worth it, if you don't know what the price of a coin will be?
 236 2011-01-22 03:39:31 <ArtForz> sorry, my crystal ball is down for polishing ;)
 237 2011-01-22 03:39:38 <nevezen> I guess prices are unpredictable..
 238 2011-01-22 03:39:46 <[Noodles]> that's the point
 239 2011-01-22 03:39:51 <ArtForz> imo price doesnt matter really
 240 2011-01-22 03:39:54 <luke-jr> lfm: no?
 241 2011-01-22 03:39:57 <nevezen> it's like 0.31 usd/btc now, right?
 242 2011-01-22 03:40:01 <andrew12> no
 243 2011-01-22 03:40:05 <andrew12> ;;bc,mtgox
 244 2011-01-22 03:40:05 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.44,"low":0.368,"vol":6757,"buy":0.4101,"sell":0.43,"last":0.42}}
 245 2011-01-22 03:40:05 <OneFixt> ;;mtgox
 246 2011-01-22 03:40:06 <gribble> Error: "mtgox" is not a valid command.
 247 2011-01-22 03:40:13 <andrew12> last was 0.42
 248 2011-01-22 03:40:22 <ArtForz> whoever has lowest running cost per Mh wins
 249 2011-01-22 03:40:36 <nevezen> do you artforz?
 250 2011-01-22 03:40:37 * Kiba sigh
 251 2011-01-22 03:40:39 <[Noodles]> he just makes most profit
 252 2011-01-22 03:40:47 <theymos> When will energy cost start mattering more than hardware cost?
 253 2011-01-22 03:40:58 <[Noodles]> as long as i make profit, i dont care if others get more
 254 2011-01-22 03:40:59 <ArtForz> pretty soon
 255 2011-01-22 03:42:07 <Diablo-D3> man
 256 2011-01-22 03:42:10 <Diablo-D3> I am so fucking laughing here
 257 2011-01-22 03:42:14 <andrew12> at least until everyone decides mining isn't worth it anymore, then the difficulty will drop, then people will start mining again
 258 2011-01-22 03:42:19 <ArtForz> CPU mining and the worst 8xxx and 9xxx series nvidia GPUs are already running at a loss at current difficulty, $0.1/kWh and $0.4/btc
 259 2011-01-22 03:42:35 <Kiba> unless the price jack up
 260 2011-01-22 03:43:03 <andrew12> why does it still feel like 2010?
 261 2011-01-22 03:43:12 <Diablo-D3> Florian Mueller, a known Microsoft shill, on the payroll and everything, and is known to say absolute bullshit about open source and Linux and anyone else Microsoft hates
 262 2011-01-22 03:43:23 <Diablo-D3> (and since he works for Microsoft, websites and magazines repeat him)
 263 2011-01-22 03:43:54 <Diablo-D3> just got caught lying about Android shipping "stolen" files from Oracle
 264 2011-01-22 03:44:06 <Diablo-D3> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/burnette/oops-no-copied-java-code-or-weapons-of-mass-destruction-found-in-android/2162
 265 2011-01-22 03:44:10 <Diablo-D3> his masters will be displeased
 266 2011-01-22 03:44:15 <ArtForz> the big question really is, can botnets beat clusters of ATI GPUs
 267 2011-01-22 03:44:47 <niekie> Would also depends on if the botnets would be using GPUs too :)
 268 2011-01-22 03:44:48 <luke-jr> ArtForz: of course
 269 2011-01-22 03:44:50 <niekie> depend*
 270 2011-01-22 03:44:57 <andrew12> and the size of the botnet
 271 2011-01-22 03:44:57 <luke-jr> niekie: no reason to doubt it
 272 2011-01-22 03:45:01 <ArtForz> luke-jr: based on.. .what?
 273 2011-01-22 03:45:09 <luke-jr> ArtForz: botnet victims have GPUs :p
 274 2011-01-22 03:45:14 <ArtForz> ... so?
 275 2011-01-22 03:45:23 <andrew12> luke-jr: what makes you so sure?
 276 2011-01-22 03:45:25 <luke-jr> and if we're using cost/Mh, botnets also have no cost
 277 2011-01-22 03:45:42 <ArtForz> managing the whole thing, getting new zombies, ... is free?
 278 2011-01-22 03:45:54 <luke-jr> afaik
 279 2011-01-22 03:46:20 <andrew12> hmm
 280 2011-01-22 03:46:31 * andrew12 goes off and sets up a botnet
 281 2011-01-22 03:46:33 <luke-jr> but then, i've never run a botnet
 282 2011-01-22 03:46:34 <ArtForz> you'd also need to run your own "pool server", and risk getting it taken down pretty quickly
 283 2011-01-22 03:46:34 <andrew12> kidding :p
 284 2011-01-22 03:46:45 <luke-jr> ArtForz: not necessarily
 285 2011-01-22 03:46:53 <andrew12> ArtForz: you could just have the botnet automatically send generated blocks to an address
 286 2011-01-22 03:46:57 <luke-jr> exactly
 287 2011-01-22 03:47:03 * niekie is in slush's "botnet" :P
 288 2011-01-22 03:47:07 <andrew12> haha
 289 2011-01-22 03:47:15 <luke-jr> or even, give the botnet enough info to guess at addresses you can generate
 290 2011-01-22 03:47:18 <andrew12> it's not a botnet really
 291 2011-01-22 03:47:30 <niekie> Depends on how you define a botnet.
 292 2011-01-22 03:47:42 <ArtForz> that sounds like a really bad idea
 293 2011-01-22 03:47:45 <andrew12> niekie: in that case, freenode is a botnet
 294 2011-01-22 03:47:46 <andrew12> kthx
 295 2011-01-22 03:47:51 <niekie> It's a number of nodes contacting a central command node, with the central command node giving them out work.
 296 2011-01-22 03:48:18 <niekie> andrew12: does Freenode give the users that connect to it work? :)
 297 2011-01-22 03:48:28 <andrew12> yes
 298 2011-01-22 03:48:31 <andrew12> parsing the damn /list
 299 2011-01-22 03:48:36 <niekie> LOL
 300 2011-01-22 03:48:43 <ArtForz> if you don't use some kind of centralized system, you're betting that a zombie that finds a block doesn't die before the 120 blocks before it can send the result have elapsed
 301 2011-01-22 03:49:18 <luke-jr> ArtForz: nope
 302 2011-01-22 03:49:24 <ArtForz> yep
 303 2011-01-22 03:49:45 <niekie> It can send other nodes the result.
 304 2011-01-22 03:49:55 <luke-jr> mr. zombie can assign the generation destination to its known owner address
 305 2011-01-22 03:49:56 <niekie> Probably even crypt it to a perpetrator's public key.
 306 2011-01-22 03:49:59 <andrew12> niekie: bitcoin is a botnet
 307 2011-01-22 03:50:24 <niekie> My face is a botnet. :(
 308 2011-01-22 03:50:32 <theymos> I always thought a botnet tied into Freenet would be a good idea. The owner could send work and addresses through Freenet as a USK.
 309 2011-01-22 03:51:14 <luke-jr> …
 310 2011-01-22 03:51:26 <luke-jr> would it be illegal to reverse-infect a botnet?
 311 2011-01-22 03:51:30 <ArtForz> yes
 312 2011-01-22 03:51:35 <ArtForz> I also suspect you won't get much hashrate from a vast majority of your zombies
 313 2011-01-22 03:51:44 <ArtForz> machines with decent GPUs are kinda rare
 314 2011-01-22 03:51:46 <luke-jr> eg, pick a random botnet that's attacking me and exploit its chain of command to do my bidding? XD
 315 2011-01-22 03:56:59 <lfm> luke-jr that makes you just as bad as the original botmaster as well as likely to incur his wrath
 316 2011-01-22 03:57:30 <luke-jr> lfm: even if I included a disinfectant? :P
 317 2011-01-22 03:58:15 <lfm> what do you mean, your not going to try to mine with the boitnet? whats the point?
 318 2011-01-22 03:58:47 <ArtForz> luke-jr: people are doing that, huge mess
 319 2011-01-22 03:58:58 <luke-jr> ArtForz: ?
 320 2011-01-22 03:59:24 <ArtForz> plenty botnets try to remove their competitors from infected machines
 321 2011-01-22 03:59:57 <luke-jr> lfm: I mean, a program that kills the botnet, then prompts each ex-victim "I just cleaned a virus for you. In exchange, I would like you to contribute your idle CPU/GPU time to cover my expenses. This is completely voluntary. Yes/no?"
 322 2011-01-22 04:00:06 <luke-jr> ArtForz: O.o
 323 2011-01-22 04:01:00 <noagendamarket> if you have a room full of douchebags it is a twatnet
 324 2011-01-22 04:01:00 <noagendamarket> lol
 325 2011-01-22 04:01:19 <Kiba> noagendamarket: yo. check your email
 326 2011-01-22 04:01:48 <lfm> so basiclly you're looking for idiots to help you, they allow their machine to get infested first then allow some annoymous person to use it some mopre later
 327 2011-01-22 04:02:31 <noagendamarket> Kiba will do
 328 2011-01-22 04:02:58 <ArtForz> rofl, just had a fun idea
 329 2011-01-22 04:03:26 <ArtForz> create a bitcoin mining "GPU stability test"
 330 2011-01-22 04:04:04 <tcatm> Could work, just add some fancy gfx like furmark
 331 2011-01-22 04:04:42 <tcatm> Or something matrix style with nonces flying across the screen
 332 2011-01-22 04:04:59 <luke-jr> "Miningware"
 333 2011-01-22 04:05:14 <ArtForz> well, it does exactly what it says on the box
 334 2011-01-22 04:05:17 <luke-jr> new form of Adware
 335 2011-01-22 04:05:18 <luke-jr> :p
 336 2011-01-22 04:05:20 <tcatm> You could even offer them a few BTCs reward
 337 2011-01-22 04:05:40 <ArtForz> yep
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 339 2011-01-22 04:05:49 <lfm> you gotta hope the whitehats dont notice the net connections
 340 2011-01-22 04:06:15 <ArtForz> why? It's in the EULA ;)
 341 2011-01-22 04:06:40 * grondilu 's just started an auction for a gold coin on biddingond :  http://www.biddingpond.com/item.php?id=246
 342 2011-01-22 04:06:42 <tcatm> It doesn't do anything evil and stresstests GPUs fairly good.
 343 2011-01-22 04:06:44 <ArtForz> "automatically sends test results to central server"
 344 2011-01-22 04:07:11 <Kiba> noagendamarket: also, iframe info stuffi s wrong.
 345 2011-01-22 04:07:32 <andrew12> "bitcoin isn't shiny enough"
 346 2011-01-22 04:07:46 <ArtForz> create stats pages and a top10 list of highest hash/s / runtime / ... and watch the OCers get into a epeen contest
 347 2011-01-22 04:07:56 <tcatm> Server verifies whether GPU is working correctly. including rankings
 348 2011-01-22 04:07:59 * Kiba knows what's he doing somehow
 349 2011-01-22 04:08:51 * Kiba get giddy about getting paid for his work
 350 2011-01-22 04:11:34 <theymos> I once read a really interesting paper about a hypothetical virus that threatens to send your sensitive files to everyone in your contacts list if you don't manually spread the virus to x computers. The paper also described how the virus might contact your friends and offer them the opportunity to see your files in return for spreading the virus.
 351 2011-01-22 04:13:05 <theymos> Here it is: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/gdane/papers/devil.pdf
 352 2011-01-22 04:13:08 <lfm> how can it tell what files are "sensitive"
 353 2011-01-22 04:13:15 <Kiba> noagendamarket: did ya sent me the bitcoin?
 354 2011-01-22 04:19:38 <nevezen> that is nowhere as interesting as parasitic computing..
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 356 2011-01-22 04:22:44 <hacim> i wonder how I can calculate when pooled mining isn't as worth it as running solo
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 359 2011-01-22 04:29:22 <noagendamarket> Kiba yes
 360 2011-01-22 04:29:30 <noagendamarket> the contact form seems to be working
 361 2011-01-22 04:30:13 <Keefe> hacim: how would you define that?
 362 2011-01-22 04:30:24 <Keefe> in the long run, both ways get the same result
 363 2011-01-22 04:31:04 <hacim> Keefe: well, if I can get a block by myself every day, I'd get 50 coins a day, but would my shares be the same per day?
 364 2011-01-22 04:31:11 <Keefe> about the same
 365 2011-01-22 04:32:04 <Keefe> um, what do you mean exactly by "shares be the same per day"?
 366 2011-01-22 04:32:19 <[Noodles]> just set your account-threshold to 50 and see if it works out
 367 2011-01-22 04:32:20 <Keefe> one day be the same as another day?
 368 2011-01-22 04:32:25 <hacim> i mean my mining payout being the same as if I were to do them individually
 369 2011-01-22 04:32:39 <Keefe> it's the same on average
 370 2011-01-22 04:32:50 <hacim> ie. if I could generate 1 block per day i'd get 50btc. if I was doing pooling mining, then I should also get 50btc per day
 371 2011-01-22 04:33:04 <Keefe> yes, on avergage
 372 2011-01-22 04:33:17 <hacim> so it doesn't matter which I use
 373 2011-01-22 04:33:19 <lfm> there is slightly more overhead for pools
 374 2011-01-22 04:33:38 <Keefe> lfm: how so? i thought the major pools currently don't take a cut?
 375 2011-01-22 04:33:56 <lfm> I mean network delays and such
 376 2011-01-22 04:34:23 <hacim> i dont think i've ever run a gpu miner that wasn't part of the pool... where would I point it at?
 377 2011-01-22 04:34:47 <lfm> point it at a bitcoind on your own machine
 378 2011-01-22 04:35:19 <Keefe> hacim: let's say i offered you $1 every time you flip a coin and get heads, and i offer you $3 every time you roll a 6-sided die and get a 6. which is better?
 379 2011-01-22 04:36:21 <hacim> well with a pool your payout is amoritized over time
 380 2011-01-22 04:36:43 * Kiba jumps in happiness
 381 2011-01-22 04:37:02 <Keefe> = $1/head
 382 2011-01-22 04:38:09 <Keefe> pool latency... ya that makes a slight difference. the cost of smoother payouts
 383 2011-01-22 04:39:15 <Keefe> if it adds another 100ms, you lose about 0.016% on average
 384 2011-01-22 04:39:50 <Keefe> small price to pay
 385 2011-01-22 04:40:05 <Keefe> potential downtime is another issue
 386 2011-01-22 04:40:31 <Keefe> in a pool, you're exposed to both downtime of your own net conn and the pool's
 387 2011-01-22 04:41:10 <lfm> and downtime for 2 isps
 388 2011-01-22 04:41:22 <hacim> lfm: ah ok, so just point it at localhost with the rpc u/p
 389 2011-01-22 04:41:34 <Keefe> 0.016% of 50/day for a year = 3 btc/yr
 390 2011-01-22 04:41:38 <lfm> hacim ya
 391 2011-01-22 04:42:32 * Kiba improves his library of content
 392 2011-01-22 04:43:03 <Kiba> hmm, I remember trading at 6 cents
 393 2011-01-22 04:43:24 <Keefe> so do i
 394 2011-01-22 04:43:36 <Keefe> but i didn't keep any back then
 395 2011-01-22 04:53:17 <hacim> well, i'll try doing it on my own for a little bit as according to the pooled mining i found a block today and received 2btc payout, i would like to try to find one on my own and get 50 ;)
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 399 2011-01-22 04:57:37 <[Noodles]> the whole point of the pool is, that you also get your ~2btc when you don't find a block
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 401 2011-01-22 05:12:22 <Keefe> and if you got 2btc for a day's mining, you aren't likely to find blocks on your own more often than every 25 days on average
 402 2011-01-22 05:16:59 <[Noodles]> said it be on average, it might also take 50days or even longer without getting anything ^.^
 403 2011-01-22 05:17:23 <[Noodles]> but he said he's on a 5870, didn't he?
 404 2011-01-22 05:17:59 <[Noodles]> that should be more like a block in 3days or so
 405 2011-01-22 05:19:36 <lfm> it it might get 2 blocks in 1 minute
 406 2011-01-22 05:19:48 <[Noodles]> or 2weeks without one
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 408 2011-01-22 05:29:03 * luke-jr wonders how pissed off people would be if someone found a way to cheat mining
 409 2011-01-22 05:29:39 <lfm> depends how hard it would be to fix
 410 2011-01-22 05:31:48 <luke-jr> haha
 411 2011-01-22 05:32:25 <luke-jr> it would be plenty hard if the cheater didn't tell you how
 412 2011-01-22 05:32:38 <luke-jr> eg, just claimed he built a GPU farm
 413 2011-01-22 05:33:40 <noagendamarket> how could he claim it and not prove it?
 414 2011-01-22 05:35:05 <Keefe> outside a pool, you first have to notice a big increase in apparent network power, then figure out where it's coming from and if it's from a single source
 415 2011-01-22 05:35:31 <Keefe> then have reason to suspect it's not just a massive gpu farm
 416 2011-01-22 05:36:01 <Keefe> before you can start investigating
 417 2011-01-22 05:36:42 <Keefe> and the burden of proof is on everyone else to prove it's not just a massive cluster
 418 2011-01-22 05:38:58 <Kiba> Hmm
 419 2011-01-22 05:38:59 <Kiba> sleep time
 420 2011-01-22 05:39:03 <Kiba> then chemistry classes
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 427 2011-01-22 05:49:20 <luke-jr> has anyone graphed when blocks are found visually?
 428 2011-01-22 05:49:27 <luke-jr> I think there's a pattern…
 429 2011-01-22 05:49:49 <Keefe> like more at a certain time-of-day?
 430 2011-01-22 05:50:03 <luke-jr> yeah maybe
 431 2011-01-22 05:50:07 <sgornick> luke-jr: Or like these? http://nullvoid.org/bitcoin/statistix.php
 432 2011-01-22 05:50:09 <luke-jr> more miners?
 433 2011-01-22 05:50:36 <tcatm> luke-jr: can you write a sql query to do that?
 434 2011-01-22 05:50:53 <luke-jr> SQL queries don't make graphs
 435 2011-01-22 05:51:17 <tcatm> I have the whole block database in a SQL table
 436 2011-01-22 05:53:25 <tcatm> luke-jr: no pattern
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 448 2011-01-22 06:24:59 <dooglus> tcatm: re. the issue you raised about a corrupted list...  is that a regular occurrance for you?
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 461 2011-01-22 07:45:03 <ducki2p> why do the rpc commands 'move' and 'sendfrom' have a minconf?
 462 2011-01-22 07:48:50 <tcatm> ducki2p: so you can only send coins that are from TX with at least n confirmations
 463 2011-01-22 07:50:20 <ducki2p> doh! thx
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 509 2011-01-22 15:39:41 <dishwara> ;;bc,calc 535000
 510 2011-01-22 15:39:42 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 535000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 1 day, 17 hours, 6 minutes, and 56 seconds
 511 2011-01-22 15:40:34 <dishwara> 	;;bc,stats
 512 2011-01-22 15:41:02 <dishwara> ;;bc,stats
 513 2011-01-22 15:41:03 <gribble> Current Blocks: 104010 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 821 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 20 hours, 45 minutes, and 52 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 21726.64653301
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 521 2011-01-22 15:58:28 * hacim tries to fine tune miners to get better hash rate
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 523 2011-01-22 16:10:13 <fauno> hi
 524 2011-01-22 16:10:46 <fauno> i've packaged bitcoind for archlinux http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=41385
 525 2011-01-22 16:14:30 <fauno> just a question, though. how can i see my address via json-rpc?
 526 2011-01-22 16:14:41 <fauno> or should i generate one myself?
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 529 2011-01-22 16:25:31 <niekie> You can do a getnewaddress JSON-RPC call AFAIK :)
 530 2011-01-22 16:25:40 <niekie> Been a long while since I've worked with the JSON-RPC API.
 531 2011-01-22 16:29:15 <fauno> niekie: :) i did that. but i can't guess a method to see it
 532 2011-01-22 16:29:27 <fauno> getinfo doesn't show it
 533 2011-01-22 16:29:50 <niekie> Hehe.
 534 2011-01-22 16:30:06 <niekie> Oh well, I'm sure someone will eventually show up with more knowledge of the current API than me.
 535 2011-01-22 16:30:19 <fauno> ok :D
 536 2011-01-22 16:30:36 <luke-jr> fauno: it returns the address
 537 2011-01-22 16:31:48 <luke-jr> ./bitcoind listreceivedbyaddress 0 true
 538 2011-01-22 16:33:13 <fauno> luke-jr: thanks :)
 539 2011-01-22 16:34:22 <fauno>         "account" : "Your Address",
 540 2011-01-22 16:34:28 <fauno> that means my mail address?
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 542 2011-01-22 16:46:24 <andrew12> the nonce is the only thing that changes when trying to find a hash, right?
 543 2011-01-22 16:47:12 <sipa> during the inner loop of the mining process, yes
 544 2011-01-22 16:47:52 <andrew12> why not have a pool where each client uses a certain range of numbers?
 545 2011-01-22 16:48:43 <sipa> why would you+
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 547 2011-01-22 16:48:52 <andrew12> so that the work is really divided
 548 2011-01-22 16:49:00 <sipa> does that matter?
 549 2011-01-22 16:49:07 <andrew12> yes?
 550 2011-01-22 16:49:16 <sipa> i don't see the advantage
 551 2011-01-22 16:50:03 <andrew12> sigh
 552 2011-01-22 16:50:08 <andrew12> nevermind :P
 553 2011-01-22 16:50:12 <sipa> please, explain
 554 2011-01-22 16:50:29 <andrew12> i'm probably  wrong anyway and its hardfor me to type on this keyboard
 555 2011-01-22 16:50:43 <sipa> :)
 556 2011-01-22 16:51:06 <andrew12> i justthink that if the range of numbers were divided, the pools would be more like working together
 557 2011-01-22 16:51:30 <andrew12> i mean it might not have any advantage, but there's no way to know until it's tried :P
 558 2011-01-22 16:51:37 <sipa> but the possible space of values to hash is infinite
 559 2011-01-22 16:51:44 <sipa> it doesn't matter who tries what
 560 2011-01-22 16:52:00 <andrew12> er
 561 2011-01-22 16:52:07 <andrew12> its notinfinite
 562 2011-01-22 16:52:09 <andrew12> 2^32
 563 2011-01-22 16:52:31 <sipa> the space of nonces for a given set of transactions and timestamp is 2^32
 564 2011-01-22 16:52:41 <sipa> but you can change the timestamp every second
 565 2011-01-22 16:52:58 <sipa> and include arbitrary strings in the coinbase inside the transaction itself
 566 2011-01-22 16:53:07 <andrew12> oh
 567 2011-01-22 16:53:09 <andrew12> i guess that's true
 568 2011-01-22 16:53:30 <sipa> so as long as 1) everyone is busy 2) everyone uses the latest block and 3) no two people work on the same hash, it doesn't matter who tries what
 569 2011-01-22 16:53:34 <andrew12> finding a hash would be much easier if it was just hashinga nonce :P
 570 2011-01-22 16:55:30 <andrew12> but nooo. you need to have the version, the previous hash, the merkle root, the timestamp, the target, THEN the nonce.
 571 2011-01-22 16:56:01 <sipa> and they're all necessary :)
 572 2011-01-22 16:56:16 <sipa> maybe the target isn't
 573 2011-01-22 16:56:21 <andrew12> hehe
 574 2011-01-22 16:59:32 <luke-jr> Any ideas why 4way is dead slow on Sandy Bridge?
 575 2011-01-22 17:01:01 <luke-jr> wtf https://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=bitcoin_miners suggests older CPUs are faster than any algo -.-
 576 2011-01-22 17:02:12 <luke-jr> am I doing something wrong if I only get 900 khash/sec from quad 3 GHz SB?
 577 2011-01-22 17:02:27 <ArtForz> yes
 578 2011-01-22 17:02:31 <sipa> 900kH/s per core?
 579 2011-01-22 17:02:35 <sipa> or in total
 580 2011-01-22 17:02:44 <sipa> it seems low even for one core, actually
 581 2011-01-22 17:02:49 <ArtForz> yep
 582 2011-01-22 17:03:38 <ArtForz> SB should be able to get well > 2Mh/s/core
 583 2011-01-22 17:04:45 <ArtForz> internal miner -4way detection might not properly recognize SB
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 585 2011-01-22 17:07:36 <luke-jr> sipa: whatever cpuminer reports
 586 2011-01-22 17:07:55 <luke-jr> is cpuminer a bad idea? XD
 587 2011-01-22 17:08:56 <ineedmoney> luke-jr: nah
 588 2011-01-22 17:09:03 <ineedmoney> luke-jr: it's just done better on a GPU
 589 2011-01-22 17:09:18 <ineedmoney> especially dedicated ones for graphics processing and not gaming
 590 2011-01-22 17:09:21 <luke-jr> so how do I get MH/s/core on SB?
 591 2011-01-22 17:09:42 <ineedmoney> SB?
 592 2011-01-22 17:09:50 <ArtForz> Sandy Bridge
 593 2011-01-22 17:10:05 <ArtForz> latest intel CPU generation
 594 2011-01-22 17:10:07 <ineedmoney> ooh
 595 2011-01-22 17:10:14 <ineedmoney> I've never worked with it
 596 2011-01-22 17:10:20 <ineedmoney> last server processor I had was xeon
 597 2011-01-22 17:10:26 <ineedmoney> from the early 90s
 598 2011-01-22 17:10:31 <ArtForz> desktop onl currently iirc
 599 2011-01-22 17:10:53 <ArtForz> with a optimized miner they should be able to come close to older nvidias for hash/W
 600 2011-01-22 17:10:59 <ineedmoney> luke-jr: and what kind of hardware do you have access to?
 601 2011-01-22 17:11:13 <luke-jr> ineedmoney: i5-2400
 602 2011-01-22 17:11:19 <luke-jr> Quad 3.1 GHz SB
 603 2011-01-22 17:11:47 <ineedmoney> underclocked?
 604 2011-01-22 17:11:57 <ineedmoney> oh the turbo is 3.4
 605 2011-01-22 17:12:20 <ineedmoney> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Media_Interface cool
 606 2011-01-22 17:12:21 <molecular> ineedmoney, first intel xeon was released in 1998
 607 2011-01-22 17:12:36 <ineedmoney> molecular: well the server was covered in dust and grime, so I assumed the worst
 608 2011-01-22 17:12:57 <ineedmoney> molecular: and it had some older parts in it, like luke-jr here
 609 2011-01-22 17:13:27 <luke-jr> …
 610 2011-01-22 17:13:29 <luke-jr> Sandy Bridge is brand new
 611 2011-01-22 17:13:42 <ineedmoney> luke-jr: I'm talking about the lancelot server I used to own
 612 2011-01-22 17:13:59 <molecular> ineedmoney, sorry, had to look this up. times tend to get confused in my head
 613 2011-01-22 17:13:59 <molecular> ineedmoney, wasn't trying to be a smartass ;|
 614 2011-01-22 17:14:06 <ineedmoney> yes yes
 615 2011-01-22 17:14:21 <ineedmoney> molecular: is very smart
 616 2011-01-22 17:14:37 <ineedmoney> sometimes
 617 2011-01-22 17:15:43 <ineedmoney> so the main problem with #bitcoin-dev is... lack of dedicated hardware
 618 2011-01-22 17:15:59 <ineedmoney> I wanna install a bitcoind on my linksys wrt54G v4
 619 2011-01-22 17:16:06 <andrew12> hah
 620 2011-01-22 17:16:14 <andrew12> good luck getting the block chain to fit on it
 621 2011-01-22 17:16:26 <ineedmoney> andrew12: block chain can be stored off-site
 622 2011-01-22 17:16:32 <ineedmoney> andrew12: also seen hacks to use USB storage on em
 623 2011-01-22 17:16:35 <andrew12> i guess that's true
 624 2011-01-22 17:16:36 <andrew12> yeah
 625 2011-01-22 17:16:43 <andrew12> i have a wrt320n with dd-wrt
 626 2011-01-22 17:17:05 <andrew12> and a d-link that cant run dd-wrt
 627 2011-01-22 17:17:08 <ineedmoney> andrew12: I just want it to handle the actual trade data, so it can be a node in places where theres no other nodes
 628 2011-01-22 17:17:12 <andrew12> i dont use the d-link though :p
 629 2011-01-22 17:17:16 <andrew12> ineedmoney: haha
 630 2011-01-22 17:17:26 <ineedmoney> andrew12: I'll shoot it into space or something
 631 2011-01-22 17:17:32 <ineedmoney> andrew12: and charge a huge fee
 632 2011-01-22 17:17:37 <andrew12> wat
 633 2011-01-22 17:17:45 <ineedmoney> andrew12: economics...
 634 2011-01-22 17:17:47 <andrew12> the dlink?
 635 2011-01-22 17:17:56 <ineedmoney> andrew12: customized bitcoind hardware
 636 2011-01-22 17:18:00 <andrew12> oh
 637 2011-01-22 17:18:01 <andrew12> lol.
 638 2011-01-22 17:18:09 <ineedmoney> andrew12: I have someone working on it now
 639 2011-01-22 17:18:20 * ineedmoney doesn't like to get his hands dirty.
 640 2011-01-22 17:18:29 <andrew12> write a bitcoind in ruby gogogo
 641 2011-01-22 17:18:32 <andrew12> or java
 642 2011-01-22 17:18:36 <andrew12> or something that's portable
 643 2011-01-22 17:18:36 <ineedmoney> ruby java lmao
 644 2011-01-22 17:18:36 <andrew12> lol
 645 2011-01-22 17:18:50 <ineedmoney> why would i want that
 646 2011-01-22 17:19:01 <ineedmoney> I want code that only works for me, with no comments in it, that I will never share with the rest of the world
 647 2011-01-22 17:19:02 <andrew12> so i can run bitcoind on my phone :P
 648 2011-01-22 17:19:11 <andrew12> haha
 649 2011-01-22 17:19:24 <ineedmoney> andrew12: capitalism...
 650 2011-01-22 17:19:31 <andrew12> my BRAIN is my documentation!
 651 2011-01-22 17:19:40 <ineedmoney> andrew12: mine too
 652 2011-01-22 17:19:58 <ineedmoney> andrew12: I can look back on code from a year ago and be like "yep, I was high as fuck when I wrote this"
 653 2011-01-22 17:20:19 <andrew12> heh
 654 2011-01-22 17:20:39 <andrew12> i can look at code i write a year ago and understand why i switched languages
 655 2011-01-22 17:20:47 <ineedmoney> andrew12: yeah yeah yeah
 656 2011-01-22 17:21:00 <ineedmoney> ruby and java do not appeal to me
 657 2011-01-22 17:21:11 <ineedmoney> inefficient
 658 2011-01-22 17:21:17 <andrew12> how so?
 659 2011-01-22 17:21:25 <ineedmoney> well java is just obvious
 660 2011-01-22 17:21:32 <ineedmoney> and ruby is more of a hobbyist language
 661 2011-01-22 17:21:37 <andrew12> sure
 662 2011-01-22 17:21:47 <andrew12> valid points :p
 663 2011-01-22 17:21:48 <ineedmoney> (ruby is for ____)
 664 2011-01-22 17:22:04 <andrew12> what's a ____
 665 2011-01-22 17:22:08 <andrew12> :P
 666 2011-01-22 17:22:09 <ineedmoney> <use your imagination>
 667 2011-01-22 17:22:37 <ineedmoney> yeah
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 673 2011-01-22 17:34:23 <grondilu> what's the JSON RPC exactly ?  How can I see a block in JSON format for instance ?
 674 2011-01-22 17:35:03 <andrew12> err, you can't see a block in json without gavin's getblock patch
 675 2011-01-22 17:35:27 <newsham> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/API_tutorial_(JSON-RPC)
 676 2011-01-22 17:35:48 <newsham> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_Calls_list
 677 2011-01-22 17:35:48 <andrew12> you might be interested in http://blockexplorer.com/rawblock/00000000000024e0327ac048c23522eb3f8e868970455dfd9effe34ab8e4a983
 678 2011-01-22 17:35:54 <andrew12> or just things on blockexplorer
 679 2011-01-22 17:36:14 <andrew12> whoops
 680 2011-01-22 17:36:25 <newsham> https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=724.0
 681 2011-01-22 17:36:28 <newsham> (getblock patch)
 682 2011-01-22 17:36:58 <ineedmoney> andrew12: fuck JSON
 683 2011-01-22 17:37:11 <andrew12> ineedmoney: you weren't the one asking about json
 684 2011-01-22 17:37:11 <ineedmoney> andrew12: not secure enough for my liking
 685 2011-01-22 17:38:03 <newsham> what does json have to do with security?
 686 2011-01-22 17:38:24 <sipa> run it over ssl
 687 2011-01-22 17:38:32 <ineedmoney> newsham: the protocol is well-known
 688 2011-01-22 17:38:46 <sipa> so?
 689 2011-01-22 17:38:48 <grondilu> ok thanks
 690 2011-01-22 17:38:57 <newsham> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_through_obscurity
 691 2011-01-22 17:39:00 <ineedmoney> yes
 692 2011-01-22 17:39:02 <ineedmoney> thank you newsham
 693 2011-01-22 17:39:05 <newsham> gotta love the quality of opinoins on teh eye are sees
 694 2011-01-22 17:39:18 <ineedmoney> newsham: true true
 695 2011-01-22 17:39:34 <andrew12> I are sea!
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 697 2011-01-22 17:39:50 <newsham> ineedmoney: i was talking about your poorly formed opinion that security through obscurity is a good thing
 698 2011-01-22 17:39:54 <newsham> which it is not
 699 2011-01-22 17:40:04 <newsham> you can use an obscure mechanism and I will reverse engineer it quickly
 700 2011-01-22 17:40:06 <newsham> tyvm
 701 2011-01-22 17:40:35 <andrew12> reverse engineer md5
 702 2011-01-22 17:40:45 <sipa> no need to
 703 2011-01-22 17:41:36 <newsham> objdump -d md5.o
 704 2011-01-22 17:42:19 <ineedmoney> newsham: when it's the only security you use, yes it's retarded
 705 2011-01-22 17:42:33 <sipa> ineedmoney: if json is not secure enough, what would be better?
 706 2011-01-22 17:42:37 <ineedmoney> newsham: I have some experience with security
 707 2011-01-22 17:42:43 <ineedmoney> sipa: I'd write my own protocol
 708 2011-01-22 17:42:45 <newsham> [07:27] < ineedmoney> andrew12: not secure enough for my liking
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 710 2011-01-22 17:42:59 <newsham> ineedmoney: awesome.. i should get some security experience.
 711 2011-01-22 17:43:05 <sipa> ineedmoney: i don't see the point - json is simply an encoding for data
 712 2011-01-22 17:43:21 <ineedmoney> sipa: because of the j
 713 2011-01-22 17:43:27 <newsham> sipa: i think you're wasting yoru time.
 714 2011-01-22 17:43:34 * ineedmoney dislikes the letter j, but have been traumatized by an episode of sesame street.
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 716 2011-01-22 17:43:59 <andrew12> heh
 717 2011-01-22 17:44:09 <andrew12> this episode is brought to you by the letter G!
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 719 2011-01-22 17:44:34 <newsham> and the letters T,R,O and L
 720 2011-01-22 17:44:48 <sipa> you know that javascript and java have very little in common, and that json is restricted to only strings, numbers, arrays and records?
 721 2011-01-22 17:46:07 <ineedmoney> G for GANGSTA
 722 2011-01-22 17:46:07 <newsham> sipa: you're trying to use rational thought.
 723 2011-01-22 17:46:11 <newsham> and are doomed to fail
 724 2011-01-22 17:46:17 <ineedmoney> as in "Great marketing term"
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 727 2011-01-22 17:46:30 <sipa> :)
 728 2011-01-22 17:46:30 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|there be no gangstas here
 729 2011-01-22 17:46:46 * nameless !~root@weowntheinter.net|waves his hand
 730 2011-01-22 17:46:48 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|move along
 731 2011-01-22 17:46:56 <ineedmoney> nameless|: as if I'd allow it
 732 2011-01-22 17:47:11 <grondilu> bitcoind getblockbycount 0  :  error: {"code":-32601,"message":"Method not found"}
 733 2011-01-22 17:47:29 <sipa> you need a patched bitcoind for that
 734 2011-01-22 17:47:37 <grondilu> oh
 735 2011-01-22 17:47:40 <newsham> grondilu: https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=724.0
 736 2011-01-22 17:48:02 <grondilu> thnks
 737 2011-01-22 17:48:04 <newsham> any reason the patch hasnt been incorporated into the mainstream?
 738 2011-01-22 17:48:23 <grondilu> because satoshi is not here I guess
 739 2011-01-22 17:49:08 <sipa> satoshi doesn't maintain the release anymore, i think, but gavin doesn't consider it something everyone should be able to do
 740 2011-01-22 17:49:29 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|I have an increasing urge to kick someone
 741 2011-01-22 17:49:49 <sipa> interesting
 742 2011-01-22 17:49:54 <ineedmoney> nameless|: adorable
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 744 2011-01-22 17:50:28 <ArtForz> an increasing urge to kick someone adorable?
 745 2011-01-22 17:50:35 <andrew12> heh
 746 2011-01-22 17:50:49 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|So who's the most adorable
 747 2011-01-22 17:52:02 <luke-jr> so how do I get MH/s/core on SB?
 748 2011-01-22 17:52:15 <ineedmoney> luke-jr: dedicated hardware
 749 2011-01-22 17:52:30 <ineedmoney> luke-jr: or learn 2 instruction sets
 750 2011-01-22 17:52:39 <luke-jr> …
 751 2011-01-22 17:53:28 <sipa> luke-jr: how do you calculate it, or how do you increase it?
 752 2011-01-22 17:54:34 <luke-jr> increase it
 753 2011-01-22 17:54:39 <luke-jr> I'm only getting like 900 kH/s -.-
 754 2011-01-22 17:54:46 <andrew12> "only"
 755 2011-01-22 17:54:58 <andrew12> I'm only getting 400kh/s/core
 756 2011-01-22 17:55:01 <luke-jr> ArtForz sez I should get 2 MH/s/core
 757 2011-01-22 17:55:04 <andrew12> er
 758 2011-01-22 17:55:09 <andrew12> 400kh/s
 759 2011-01-22 17:55:12 <andrew12> no idea how i did that
 760 2011-01-22 17:55:44 <andrew12> err... that is what i said
 761 2011-01-22 17:55:50 <sipa> luke-jr: which algorithm?
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 763 2011-01-22 17:55:54 <andrew12> i read what you said and got hella confused
 764 2011-01-22 17:55:58 <luke-jr> sipa: cryptopp_asm32
 765 2011-01-22 17:56:13 <luke-jr> sipa: the others supported by cpuminer were slower slightly
 766 2011-01-22 17:56:18 <andrew12> i should probably try that
 767 2011-01-22 17:56:19 <luke-jr> except 4way, which was like 25% the speed
 768 2011-01-22 17:56:30 <ineedmoney> 4way was a waste
 769 2011-01-22 17:56:32 <ineedmoney> how old is SSE?
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 780 2011-01-22 18:03:27 <andrew12> well, this is interesting
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 783 2011-01-22 18:03:45 <andrew12> with the cryptopp algo, i get like 200kh/s/core
 784 2011-01-22 18:04:08 <andrew12> with the 'c' algo, i get >400kh/s/core
 785 2011-01-22 18:04:56 <andrew12> going to try the other 2 since i already started
 786 2011-01-22 18:05:39 <andrew12> ~300kh/s/core w/ 4way
 787 2011-01-22 18:05:52 <andrew12> and via doesnt work
 788 2011-01-22 18:05:53 <andrew12> lol
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 790 2011-01-22 18:06:44 <ArtForz> -4way shouldnt be THAT slow
 791 2011-01-22 18:08:27 <andrew12> http://pastebin.com/3aL8MvSX
 792 2011-01-22 18:08:55 <andrew12> heh, my --userpass is in there. oh well. doesn't matter unless you want to mine for me :P
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 794 2011-01-22 18:10:41 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|hmm, I wonder if my script picked that one up
 795 2011-01-22 18:11:01 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|nope
 796 2011-01-22 18:11:17 <andrew12> o_O
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 798 2011-01-22 18:16:49 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|http://mindjail.subluminal.net/~nameless/pastebin/
 799 2011-01-22 18:16:51 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|:p
 800 2011-01-22 18:17:04 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|I should really compress that folder and run it through a mining script
 801 2011-01-22 18:17:27 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|I gound the mysql root username/password/location of a database last night
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 804 2011-01-22 18:27:50 <andrew12> nameless|: that's clever
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 806 2011-01-22 18:29:26 <luke-jr> ArtForz: so how can I get MH/s? :p\
 807 2011-01-22 18:30:49 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|andrew12: I wish I could take credit for it
 808 2011-01-22 18:34:12 <ArtForz> shrug, no clue
 809 2011-01-22 18:38:01 <necrodearia> nameless|, That link is lagging for me
 810 2011-01-22 18:38:18 <necrodearia> Ah, nm, it loaded, long page
 811 2011-01-22 18:48:37 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|necrodearia: yeah, it's a 145 MB dir
 812 2011-01-22 18:48:46 * nameless !~root@weowntheinter.net|just tar/gziped it
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 814 2011-01-22 19:00:03 <reezer> Hi, can anyone tell me how to disable crossfire on the HD 5970 on Linux?
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 817 2011-01-22 19:00:50 <luke-jr>  hmm
 818 2011-01-22 19:00:57 <luke-jr> does cpuminer show per-core or total? :o
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 820 2011-01-22 19:01:00 <luke-jr> or per-thread?
 821 2011-01-22 19:03:03 <sipa> reezer: i didn't need to do anything
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 826 2011-01-22 19:08:59 <reezer> I have the problem that the second gpu produces invalid blocks
 827 2011-01-22 19:10:49 <ArtForz> disable crossfire
 828 2011-01-22 19:11:49 <necrodearia> Would anyone like to test/play around with the upvoting, creating posts, replies, etc at http://witcoin.com/ and tell me what you think?
 829 2011-01-22 19:12:18 <necrodearia> Soon I will integrate live transactions bitcoin <-> witcoin and see what happens ^_^
 830 2011-01-22 19:14:15 <reezer> ArtForz: How to?
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 832 2011-01-22 19:26:51 <reezer> When I try to use aticonfig it tells me to restart X, but once done it's enabled again
 833 2011-01-22 19:28:22 <BitCoinz> strange
 834 2011-01-22 19:28:30 <BitCoinz> on ubuntu?
 835 2011-01-22 19:28:45 <reezer> no, fedora
 836 2011-01-22 19:28:56 <BitCoinz> ah i dunno that
 837 2011-01-22 19:29:32 <BitCoinz> i aslo had to switch it off
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 839 2011-01-22 19:30:38 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 535000
 840 2011-01-22 19:30:42 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 535000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 1 day, 17 hours, 6 minutes, and 56 seconds
 841 2011-01-22 19:32:28 <BitCoinz> ;;bc,calc 6500000
 842 2011-01-22 19:32:30 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 6500000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 3 hours, 23 minutes, and 2 seconds
 843 2011-01-22 19:33:38 <reezer> BitCoinz: How did you do that?
 844 2011-01-22 19:34:15 <luke-jr> 6.5 GH/s :O
 845 2011-01-22 19:34:36 <BitCoinz> i built ah huge box with 10 5970's :)
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 847 2011-01-22 19:35:11 <BitCoinz> it's freezing here though :P
 848 2011-01-22 19:35:12 <BitCoinz> LOL
 849 2011-01-22 19:35:19 <BitCoinz> LMAO
 850 2011-01-22 19:35:25 <sipa> 650MH/s is quite a lot for a 5970
 851 2011-01-22 19:35:43 <BitCoinz> its not :)
 852 2011-01-22 19:35:54 <sipa> what clock speed?
 853 2011-01-22 19:35:59 <BitCoinz> 880
 854 2011-01-22 19:36:07 <sipa> ok, what temperature? :)
 855 2011-01-22 19:36:18 <BitCoinz> around 85
 856 2011-01-22 19:36:41 <sipa> serious cooling, in that case
 857 2011-01-22 19:37:06 <luke-jr> BitCoinz: can I have one?
 858 2011-01-22 19:37:12 <BitCoinz> not with enough distance between them :)
 859 2011-01-22 19:37:22 <necrodearia> BitCoinz,  How did you manage to get avg 650Mhash/sec from a single 5970 when ArtForz only gets 600Mhash/sec using his currently proprietary and leading gpu miner?
 860 2011-01-22 19:37:27 <BitCoinz> luke-jr, one? 1 BTC?
 861 2011-01-22 19:37:43 <luke-jr> BitCoinz: sure. but I meant one of them video cards
 862 2011-01-22 19:38:09 <sipa> necrodearia: i guess art doesn't overclock that much
 863 2011-01-22 19:38:14 <necrodearia> mm
 864 2011-01-22 19:38:25 <BitCoinz> Art knows it is possible :)
 865 2011-01-22 19:38:31 <sipa> i'm sure he does
 866 2011-01-22 19:38:42 <BitCoinz> :P
 867 2011-01-22 19:38:49 <BitCoinz> yeah very sure
 868 2011-01-22 19:38:51 <ThomasV_> they are going to melt
 869 2011-01-22 19:38:58 <BitCoinz> he is a hot man xd
 870 2011-01-22 19:39:06 <sipa> at 85 degrees they won't melt
 871 2011-01-22 19:39:14 <BitCoinz> indeed
 872 2011-01-22 19:40:24 <BitCoinz> but is was just kidding...i have only 2 cards running @ the mentioned speed and temperatures
 873 2011-01-22 19:40:52 <luke-jr> phew
 874 2011-01-22 19:41:11 <ThomasV_> so you get 650MH/s with just 2 cards ? :-)
 875 2011-01-22 19:41:21 <BitCoinz> its just a question keeping me busy how to build such a monsterious system :)
 876 2011-01-22 19:41:27 <BitCoinz> for real
 877 2011-01-22 19:42:17 <BitCoinz> no...with 2 cards..  1,3 ghash
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 879 2011-01-22 19:42:32 <BitCoinz> each card has 2 adapters
 880 2011-01-22 19:44:35 <BitCoinz>  each adapter runs 275mh/s
 881 2011-01-22 19:44:53 <BitCoinz> if not overclocked
 882 2011-01-22 19:45:25 <BitCoinz> *aproximately
 883 2011-01-22 19:46:17 <BitCoinz> but the newest 5970 runs standard with 850 mhz
 884 2011-01-22 19:46:55 <BitCoinz> instead of the 725 with the older types
 885 2011-01-22 19:47:34 <BitCoinz> its just their price...over 800 euri ;)
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 887 2011-01-22 19:50:22 <ineedmoney> isnt this fun
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 889 2011-01-22 19:56:09 <puddinpop> Does anyone know who the proprietor of bitcoinbet.com is?
 890 2011-01-22 19:56:47 <Cusipzzz> he posted onthe forums
 891 2011-01-22 19:57:56 <puddinpop> I couldn't find a post.  I searched for bitcoinbet, doubletrouble, double, bitcoin bet, bet
 892 2011-01-22 19:58:28 <puddinpop> nevermind, I was withing a subforum and only searching that
 893 2011-01-22 19:59:01 <ineedmoney> herro
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 899 2011-01-22 20:23:20 <Sthebig> Could someone point me in the right direction regarding which software I need to set up to make a private mining farm for myself?
 900 2011-01-22 20:24:22 <reezer> Does Diablominer show the total output or per GPU?
 901 2011-01-22 20:24:43 <Sthebig> I'd like to run some software on my PC here at home and have the rest of the PCs in the house mine for me. If they come across a valid hash, I want to get the credit on my pc.
 902 2011-01-22 20:25:33 <Sthebig> I've been trying to get bitcoind set up but I have a fewwling that I'm failing miserably.
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 905 2011-01-22 20:30:34 <Sthebig> Is there some kind of debug param for bitcoind.exe?
 906 2011-01-22 20:30:47 <Sthebig> (Yes, shoot me, I'm on Windows)
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 908 2011-01-22 20:31:05 <[Noodles]> you don't need to run bitcoind on all of your clients, just use miners that all connect to a single getwork-node (set rpcallowip=<clientip> in bitcoin.conf)
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 910 2011-01-22 20:31:54 <Sthebig> How do I allow all IPs to connect? (Or all on my home network)
 911 2011-01-22 20:32:50 <Sthebig> Or am I thinking of this wrong?
 912 2011-01-22 20:33:25 <[Noodles]> rpcallowip=192.168.1.* should work
 913 2011-01-22 20:33:57 <Sthebig> I run one bitcoind on my machine here, then workers that all point to that machine, correct? A bit like the setup for slush's pool?
 914 2011-01-22 20:34:07 <[Noodles]> correct
 915 2011-01-22 20:34:19 <[Noodles]> actually same setup as slush's pool
 916 2011-01-22 20:34:52 <Sthebig> Okay, cool. That was kinda what I was going for, minus the distribution of coins to other addresses (since I control all of these machines)
 917 2011-01-22 20:34:53 <[Noodles]> only slush has his pool-proxy in between clients and node
 918 2011-01-22 20:35:21 <Sthebig> I just wanted an easy way to generate bitcoins on all of my PCs without having to go around and manually collect them
 919 2011-01-22 20:35:37 <[Noodles]> yeah, that's the way to go
 920 2011-01-22 20:36:01 <Sthebig> Okay cool.
 921 2011-01-22 20:36:10 <[Noodles]> it will still take a while to generate any, if your clients only use CPUs
 922 2011-01-22 20:37:36 <Sthebig> Yeah. I've got a couple desktops and laptops. My laptop has a GPU and so does one of the desktops.
 923 2011-01-22 20:38:06 <Sthebig> They're not super-duper powerful but every little bit counts I suppose :)
 924 2011-01-22 20:38:38 <[Noodles]> just sayin', it's probably not profitable to run CPUs at all ;-)
 925 2011-01-22 20:39:22 <Sthebig> Do I still need to set up a username and password for them? Or will it function without?
 926 2011-01-22 20:39:37 Keefe_ is now known as Keefe
 927 2011-01-22 20:39:51 <[Noodles]> you'll only need 1 user/pass for all of them
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 930 2011-01-22 20:41:23 <[Noodles]> you need to set that anyway in the bitcoin.conf to make the JSON-API work
 931 2011-01-22 20:41:51 <[Noodles]> then use it on all miners/clients
 932 2011-01-22 20:42:28 <Sthebig> Ah, okay. No big deal :)
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 934 2011-01-22 20:45:37 <BitCoinz> does anyone know about pci-e extenders?
 935 2011-01-22 20:45:45 <BitCoinz> where to get those?
 936 2011-01-22 20:49:09 <BitCoinz> to free space on motherboard since ati cards takes two pci-e slots
 937 2011-01-22 20:49:36 <BitCoinz> i am searching my ass off lol
 938 2011-01-22 20:52:02 <Keefe> either china/hk or...
 939 2011-01-22 20:52:07 <Keefe> are you in the usa?
 940 2011-01-22 20:52:16 <Sthebig> I was thinking ebay probably.
 941 2011-01-22 20:52:27 <Sthebig> Or that mini-itx shop, I forget the exact url
 942 2011-01-22 20:52:49 <Keefe> unfortunately all the listings for those on ebay are coming from china/hk
 943 2011-01-22 20:53:06 <Keefe> for me in the usa at least, shipping from them takes 1-2 weeks
 944 2011-01-22 20:53:26 <Keefe> i bought mine from ameri-rack.com for $35-$40
 945 2011-01-22 20:53:38 <BitCoinz> each?
 946 2011-01-22 20:53:41 <Keefe> yep
 947 2011-01-22 20:54:29 <Keefe> felt like a rip-off in comparison, but since it enabled me to hook up additional 5970's making $12/day, waiting weeks wasn't an option
 948 2011-01-22 20:55:22 <Keefe> http://ameri-rack.com/ARC1-PESX1B-Cx_m.html
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 950 2011-01-22 20:55:53 <Keefe> i got the 20cm one, and cut open one end of the female connector
 951 2011-01-22 20:57:08 <BitCoinz> hmzz
 952 2011-01-22 20:57:17 <BitCoinz> looking at that page
 953 2011-01-22 20:57:49 <Keefe> see mrb's blog
 954 2011-01-22 20:58:04 <BitCoinz> ok
 955 2011-01-22 20:58:09 <Keefe> i didn't have to jumper any pins, but some mobos might need it
 956 2011-01-22 20:58:45 <BitCoinz> Artforz: are you there you know also more about them
 957 2011-01-22 20:59:38 <Sthebig> I wonder if I could get the bitcoind to run on my router, thus negating the need to have my laptop on all the time in order to mine with my home network.
 958 2011-01-22 21:01:27 <BitCoinz> http://ameri-rack.com/ARC1-PELX16-Cxm.htm
 959 2011-01-22 21:01:32 <BitCoinz> like this i think
 960 2011-01-22 21:02:19 <nevezen> artforz mentioned these extenders aren't heavily shielded
 961 2011-01-22 21:04:10 <BitCoinz> its logical you need to be carefull with them
 962 2011-01-22 21:06:06 AAA_awright_ is now known as AAA_awright
 963 2011-01-22 21:08:43 <BitCoinz> cable length is short..
 964 2011-01-22 21:11:49 <CIA-106> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * rc90ea2b / main.cpp : cpuid instruction clobbers eax/ebx/ecx/edx - http://bit.ly/ezRywH
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 968 2011-01-22 21:14:59 <BitCoinz> hmm?
 969 2011-01-22 21:15:14 <HackTheGibson> what?
 970 2011-01-22 21:15:19 <HackTheGibson> something is funny
 971 2011-01-22 21:15:33 <BitCoinz> what has that to do with http://ameri-rack.com/ARC1-PELX16-Cxm.htm ?
 972 2011-01-22 21:16:07 <HackTheGibson> a giant box to put GPUs in obviously
 973 2011-01-22 21:16:21 <HackTheGibson> derp a derp
 974 2011-01-22 21:16:33 * HackTheGibson is sophisticated.
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 976 2011-01-22 21:16:54 <HackTheGibson> Slix`:
 977 2011-01-22 21:16:57 <HackTheGibson> hi
 978 2011-01-22 21:17:32 <BitCoinz> well i dont see a box with that link
 979 2011-01-22 21:17:36 <BitCoinz> lol
 980 2011-01-22 21:17:50 <HackTheGibson> me neither
 981 2011-01-22 21:17:53 <BitCoinz> do i need glasses?
 982 2011-01-22 21:17:57 <HackTheGibson> BitCoinz: yes
 983 2011-01-22 21:18:00 <HackTheGibson> BitCoinz: rose-colored
 984 2011-01-22 21:18:08 <BitCoinz> lol
 985 2011-01-22 21:18:17 <HackTheGibson> right? BitCoinz
 986 2011-01-22 21:18:31 <BitCoinz> nice color Hack.. :)
 987 2011-01-22 21:18:34 <HackTheGibson> uhuh
 988 2011-01-22 21:18:52 * HackTheGibson sticks his tongue out.
 989 2011-01-22 21:19:42 * BitCoinz burps
 990 2011-01-22 21:20:10 <Slix`> HackTheGibson: Hi.
 991 2011-01-22 21:25:18 <HackTheGibson> Slix`: how's it going?
 992 2011-01-22 21:26:04 <HackTheGibson> Slix`:
 993 2011-01-22 21:26:05 <HackTheGibson> Slix`:
 994 2011-01-22 21:26:12 <HackTheGibson> Slix`: this is not a right angle
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1000 2011-01-22 22:13:12 <dooglus> any idea why outgoing connections is limited to 8, but ncoming connections isn't limited at all?
1001 2011-01-22 22:24:44 <soultcer> It
1002 2011-01-22 22:24:47 <soultcer> whoops
1003 2011-01-22 22:24:58 <soultcer> It's kind of an unenforced limit of 8 connections
1004 2011-01-22 22:25:24 <soultcer> If you have 8 incoming connections, the client will not make any outgoing connections
1005 2011-01-22 22:25:41 <soultcer> It just doesn't auto-close incoming connections, even when it has more than 8
1006 2011-01-22 22:27:42 <theymos> soultcer: That's not correct. You make 8 outgoing connections, no matter how many incoming connections you make. Then you can have an unlimited number of incoming connections on top of that.
1007 2011-01-22 22:28:33 <theymos> It would be a vulnerability of incoming connections could prevent you from making outgoing connections, since an attacker could then easily surround you.
1008 2011-01-22 22:30:47 <soultcer> Oh, must have got that wrong in my mind
1009 2011-01-22 22:30:59 <soultcer> But good to know that someone thought of that security problem ;-)
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1014 2011-01-22 22:47:08 <dooglus> soultcer: I've read in a couple of places that specifying -maxconnections only limits outgoing connections, but that doesn't seem to be true
1015 2011-01-22 22:48:31 <dooglus> I tried specifying -maxconnections=14 and it limited me to 8 out and 1 in - I think that's a bug
1016 2011-01-22 22:49:10 <HackTheGibson> dooglus: it is
1017 2011-01-22 22:49:15 <HackTheGibson> squish it
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1019 2011-01-22 22:51:17 <dooglus> HackTheGibson: thing is, -maxconnections isn't documented anyway - so probably nobody cares?
1020 2011-01-22 22:51:31 <HackTheGibson> dooglus: yep
1021 2011-01-22 22:51:35 <HackTheGibson> dooglus: nobody
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1028 2011-01-22 23:13:23 <HackTheGibson> akem: sup
1029 2011-01-22 23:15:01 <akem> HackTheGibson, hey, not much
1030 2011-01-22 23:15:13 <HackTheGibson> akem: I'm just waiting for food
1031 2011-01-22 23:16:18 <akem> bon appetite then!
1032 2011-01-22 23:16:22 <HackTheGibson> exactly
1033 2011-01-22 23:16:33 <HackTheGibson> french is boring language though
1034 2011-01-22 23:17:14 <Kiba> today's government is more like a mishmash of majority tyrants and elitist rule
1035 2011-01-22 23:18:36 <Zarutian> Kiba: er það svo? (is it so?)
1036 2011-01-22 23:18:49 <akem> HackTheGibson, well i'm french but yea...it is known for good food, like frog legs
1037 2011-01-22 23:19:39 <Zarutian> akem : what opinion do you hold on broiled sheeps heads as food then?
1038 2011-01-22 23:21:49 <Kiba> Zarutian: why not? laws are lobbied by corporations but officials are truly elected and represent the people
1039 2011-01-22 23:21:52 <HackTheGibson> akem: yeah, frog
1040 2011-01-22 23:21:53 <HackTheGibson> delicious
1041 2011-01-22 23:22:03 <HackTheGibson> like poison dart frogs
1042 2011-01-22 23:22:10 <Kiba> the average representative get reelected for the effort to provide pork to his district
1043 2011-01-22 23:22:19 <HackTheGibson> Kiba:  love pigs
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1045 2011-01-22 23:22:53 <Kiba> democracy brings out the bad in people
1046 2011-01-22 23:22:59 <HackTheGibson> it brings out the persecution in people
1047 2011-01-22 23:23:01 <HackTheGibson> witch hunt!
1048 2011-01-22 23:23:12 * HackTheGibson votes yes to execute akem.
1049 2011-01-22 23:24:10 <akem> Zarutian, it doesn't look good
1050 2011-01-22 23:24:36 <Zarutian> Kiba: I say that most current election systems selects porkbarellers instead of decent people.
1051 2011-01-22 23:24:59 <Zarutian> akem: it is a traditional dish where I live.
1052 2011-01-22 23:26:50 <HackTheGibson> Zarutian: the system is capitalism, it works for those with money
1053 2011-01-22 23:26:52 <Kiba> Zarutian: you gottach do what ya gottach or do or other district get your money
1054 2011-01-22 23:27:44 <Kiba> so what it's gonna be?
1055 2011-01-22 23:28:39 <Kiba> Don't blame the player; hate the game?
1056 2011-01-22 23:28:40 <Zarutian> Kiba: what about taking "no taxation without representation" literally as "pay tax, be represented!"
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1058 2011-01-22 23:29:21 <Kiba> how about paying for honest services, instead of getting a gun to your head?
1059 2011-01-22 23:30:05 <Zarutian> I like that! How do you propose to implement it?
1060 2011-01-22 23:30:19 <Kiba> I don't know. If I know, I would tell ya.
1061 2011-01-22 23:30:39 <Kiba> but you see, I can't compete with the government
1062 2011-01-22 23:30:46 <Kiba> they will say my court is not legit
1063 2011-01-22 23:30:59 <Kiba> or my policemen are greedy dirtbags
1064 2011-01-22 23:31:54 <Zarutian> hmm.. so we need something like a simolean capper?
1065 2011-01-22 23:32:06 <Kiba> all we need is bitcoin!
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1067 2011-01-22 23:32:31 <Zarutian> and makers. (Also know as nanofabs and matter compilers)
1068 2011-01-22 23:32:43 <Kiba> makerbots!
1069 2011-01-22 23:32:57 <Kiba> well
1070 2011-01-22 23:33:01 <Kiba> they got a big ahead start
1071 2011-01-22 23:33:11 <Kiba> they have schools in which to indoctrinate children with democractic ideals
1072 2011-01-22 23:33:32 <Kiba> and to create worker drones
1073 2011-01-22 23:33:34 <Zarutian> democratice ideals? more like palto ants
1074 2011-01-22 23:33:55 <Kiba> do ya vote?
1075 2011-01-22 23:35:24 <Kiba> I don't!
1076 2011-01-22 23:35:29 <Kiba> I somehow find anarchist literature
1077 2011-01-22 23:35:34 <Kiba> and economics
1078 2011-01-22 23:41:31 <reezer> How do I install Stream 2.1? It doesn't come with a manual or an icd zip. It also doesn't seem to work with environment variables, like 2.3 does
1079 2011-01-22 23:42:13 <Keefe> what os?
1080 2011-01-22 23:42:26 <reezer> Linux (Fedora)
1081 2011-01-22 23:42:42 <Keefe> env vars is all it needed for me
1082 2011-01-22 23:42:58 <reezer> Are you using 2.1?
1083 2011-01-22 23:43:05 <Keefe> yes
1084 2011-01-22 23:44:17 <Keefe> so are you saying all's fine when the env vars point to the 2.3 files, but not when you change the vars to point to the 2.1 files?
1085 2011-01-22 23:44:38 <reezer> yes
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1087 2011-01-22 23:44:47 <Keefe> and what doesn't work?
1088 2011-01-22 23:45:21 <reezer> Platform isn't found. Neither by Diablos miner nor by m0mchils
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1091 2011-01-22 23:46:05 <Keefe> dunno. ask in -mining
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