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   4 2011-01-23 00:14:41 <slush1> hi
   5 2011-01-23 00:15:26 <slush1> I bought 4pcie motherboard and have 2x 5970 here. I'm trying to install Linux (Ubuntu), but strange things happen
   6 2011-01-23 00:15:34 <HackTheGibson> of course
   7 2011-01-23 00:15:35 <HackTheGibson> its ubuntu
   8 2011-01-23 00:15:36 <HackTheGibson> lol
   9 2011-01-23 00:15:48 <slush1> Is here anything special to make Ubuuntu running with two 5970?
  10 2011-01-23 00:16:03 <slush1> lol
  11 2011-01-23 00:16:06 <slush1> omg
  12 2011-01-23 00:16:10 <slush1> ...
  13 2011-01-23 00:16:53 <slush1> to be more specific, it is running when I have cards in first and third slots
  14 2011-01-23 00:17:02 <HackTheGibson> oh, motherboard
  15 2011-01-23 00:17:03 <slush1> when I have it in first and fourth, X does not start
  16 2011-01-23 00:17:45 <slush1> to be much more specific, it STARTS, but I have no output to monitor
  17 2011-01-23 00:17:55 <slush1> I can login and type commands, but don't see anything
  18 2011-01-23 00:18:08 <HackTheGibson> slush1 take the green piil
  19 2011-01-23 00:18:18 <slush1> ?
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  21 2011-01-23 00:18:22 <tcatm> slush1: can you ssh into the box?
  22 2011-01-23 00:18:32 <slush1> its completely fresh install, nothing here
  23 2011-01-23 00:18:37 <slush1> but yes, system itself work
  24 2011-01-23 00:18:41 <tcatm> ati driver installed?
  25 2011-01-23 00:18:50 <slush1> it's _fresh_ install
  26 2011-01-23 00:18:57 <tcatm> install ati driver
  27 2011-01-23 00:19:00 <slush1> how? :)
  28 2011-01-23 00:19:24 <slush1> I mean - how  I can install something on computer, when I don't see any output?
  29 2011-01-23 00:19:36 <HackTheGibson> slush1 teh commandz lin3
  30 2011-01-23 00:19:47 <tcatm> ssh ;)
  31 2011-01-23 00:19:52 <HackTheGibson> I made my dog attack my laundry
  32 2011-01-23 00:19:57 <noagendamarket> lol
  33 2011-01-23 00:20:01 <tcatm> It's going to be a mining-only box, isn't it?
  34 2011-01-23 00:20:06 <slush1> well, I can try to put cards back to first and third slots, if it will start
  35 2011-01-23 00:20:08 <HackTheGibson> tcatm: better bastille that shit
  36 2011-01-23 00:20:09 <slush1> yes
  37 2011-01-23 00:20:35 <slush1> Is HackTheGibson some kind of spamming bot?
  38 2011-01-23 00:21:17 <HackTheGibson> slush1:  yup
  39 2011-01-23 00:21:23 <tcatm> slush1: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx
  40 2011-01-23 00:21:38 <HackTheGibson> tcatm: but that might be a good place to look
  41 2011-01-23 00:21:41 <tcatm> install that (don't configure any xorg.conf, we'll do that later)
  42 2011-01-23 00:21:44 <HackTheGibson> I call it "RTFM RFN"
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  44 2011-01-23 00:23:01 <slush1> tcatm: theoretically I know how to do it
  45 2011-01-23 00:23:08 <HackTheGibson> theoretically
  46 2011-01-23 00:23:10 <HackTheGibson> you need to unplug
  47 2011-01-23 00:23:12 <HackTheGibson> and read a book
  48 2011-01-23 00:23:14 <slush1> tcatm: I'm just surprised that it hangs on startup
  49 2011-01-23 00:23:47 <tcatm> does it hang in "doesn't even respond to SSH"?
  50 2011-01-23 00:23:58 <slush1> it is FRESH install, no ssh here ;)
  51 2011-01-23 00:24:07 <HackTheGibson> slush1 install it so you can get into the box
  52 2011-01-23 00:24:11 <tcatm> install ssh somehow
  53 2011-01-23 00:24:12 <HackTheGibson> "sudo apt-get install ssh"
  54 2011-01-23 00:24:20 <HackTheGibson> -_-
  55 2011-01-23 00:24:23 <HackTheGibson> what are we, 8 years old?
  56 2011-01-23 00:24:52 <noagendamarket> Im 12 and what is this?
  57 2011-01-23 00:25:10 <tcatm> yep, sudo apt-get install ssh; blindly typing password + a few returns should work
  58 2011-01-23 00:25:17 <HackTheGibson> tcatm: <3
  59 2011-01-23 00:25:32 <HackTheGibson> gotta love that
  60 2011-01-23 00:25:51 <slush1> thanks, I'll try it somehow
  61 2011-01-23 00:26:08 <HackTheGibson> xterm
  62 2011-01-23 00:26:12 <tcatm> hint: connect disk to another box, chroot, apt-get install ssh
  63 2011-01-23 00:26:29 <HackTheGibson> that'd do it!
  64 2011-01-23 00:28:21 <Kiba>  tcatm: how about using Operation Fabulous?
  65 2011-01-23 00:28:30 <HackTheGibson> nah
  66 2011-01-23 00:28:32 <HackTheGibson> heard it was good
  67 2011-01-23 00:28:39 <HackTheGibson> it'd make sense
  68 2011-01-23 00:28:44 <Kiba> nah?
  69 2011-01-23 00:28:45 <HackTheGibson> not
  70 2011-01-23 00:28:50 <Kiba> not?
  71 2011-01-23 00:28:53 * Kiba is confused
  72 2011-01-23 00:28:56 <HackTheGibson> you don't follow the logic
  73 2011-01-23 00:29:10 * Kiba is still confused
  74 2011-01-23 00:29:23 <tcatm> Kiba: for bitcoincharts?
  75 2011-01-23 00:29:25 <HackTheGibson> Kiba: good, rtfm
  76 2011-01-23 00:29:38 <Kiba> yes, tcatm
  77 2011-01-23 00:29:45 <Kiba> HackTheGibson: hmm?
  78 2011-01-23 00:29:54 <tcatm> Kiba: how much can I expect as daily earnings?
  79 2011-01-23 00:30:05 <Kiba> I don't know
  80 2011-01-23 00:30:16 <Kiba> the network is pretty small
  81 2011-01-23 00:30:33 <Kiba> but you earn in bitcoin, so there's no overhead in exchanging it to bitcoin
  82 2011-01-23 00:30:42 <tcatm> hm hm
  83 2011-01-23 00:30:52 <tcatm> I need to pay for server costs in USD.
  84 2011-01-23 00:31:41 <Kiba> so you didn't choose a server in BTC?
  85 2011-01-23 00:32:07 <tcatm> nope
  86 2011-01-23 00:32:18 <Kiba> why?
  87 2011-01-23 00:32:22 <noagendamarket> linode doesnt accept btc :(
  88 2011-01-23 00:32:26 <tcatm> yep
  89 2011-01-23 00:32:44 <noagendamarket> I wonder how many bitcoiners use linode?
  90 2011-01-23 00:32:53 <Kiba> bitcoin.org does
  91 2011-01-23 00:32:59 <tcatm> and I made more from Ads than from donations
  92 2011-01-23 00:33:03 <noagendamarket> we should go for a group discount
  93 2011-01-23 00:33:07 <noagendamarket> lol
  94 2011-01-23 00:34:48 <luke-jr> noagendamarket: or get VPS from someone who DOES accept BTC:p
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  96 2011-01-23 00:35:04 <noagendamarket> :)-
  97 2011-01-23 00:35:11 <luke-jr> like me
  98 2011-01-23 00:35:49 <Kiba> I plan on transiting to a VPS that support bitcoin
  99 2011-01-23 00:36:12 <Kiba> for the advertising network, it's a catch-22.
 100 2011-01-23 00:36:18 <niekie> luke-jr: how much do you charge.
 101 2011-01-23 00:36:28 <Kiba> you need more publishers for advertisers to want to advertise
 102 2011-01-23 00:36:38 <Kiba> but you need more advertisers for publishers to want to publish
 103 2011-01-23 00:37:07 * Kiba calculates the price of a VPS
 104 2011-01-23 00:37:09 <Kiba> let see
 105 2011-01-23 00:37:17 <Kiba> 240 dollars standing for 20 dollars a month
 106 2011-01-23 00:37:38 <Kiba> about 571.42 BTC each eyar
 107 2011-01-23 00:37:42 <Kiba> s/eyar/year
 108 2011-01-23 00:38:56 <niekie> I currently pay around 45GBP/year.
 109 2011-01-23 00:38:58 <niekie> Er.
 110 2011-01-23 00:38:59 <niekie> Month.
 111 2011-01-23 00:39:00 <niekie> Not year.
 112 2011-01-23 00:39:05 <niekie> 45GBP/month.
 113 2011-01-23 00:39:17 <HackTheGibson> cool
 114 2011-01-23 00:39:19 <niekie> For 2 VPS servers.
 115 2011-01-23 00:39:23 <HackTheGibson> too bad gbp is shit
 116 2011-01-23 00:39:32 <niekie> 1TB bandwidth on one and Unmetered on the other.
 117 2011-01-23 00:39:44 <HackTheGibson> niekie: bragging
 118 2011-01-23 00:39:48 <niekie> Heh :P
 119 2011-01-23 00:40:09 <HackTheGibson> ниеки is a russian spy, do not listen
 120 2011-01-23 00:40:14 <Kiba> what is GBP/
 121 2011-01-23 00:40:19 <HackTheGibson> great britain pound
 122 2011-01-23 00:40:25 <HackTheGibson> the pound money
 123 2011-01-23 00:40:30 <HackTheGibson> #
 124 2011-01-23 00:40:33 <Kiba> oh
 125 2011-01-23 00:40:42 <Kiba> so what's the exchange rate in dollars?
 126 2011-01-23 00:40:43 <HackTheGibson> #45
 127 2011-01-23 00:40:48 <HackTheGibson> uhh shit for shit
 128 2011-01-23 00:40:49 <HackTheGibson> drek for drek
 129 2011-01-23 00:40:50 <HackTheGibson> etc
 130 2011-01-23 00:41:02 <niekie> HackTheGibson: I am? Wow, you just told me something new :)
 131 2011-01-23 00:41:13 <HackTheGibson> niekie: haha, adorable
 132 2011-01-23 00:42:05 <HackTheGibson> niekie has invaded my personal life
 133 2011-01-23 00:42:22 <niekie> I did what now.
 134 2011-01-23 00:42:41 * Kiba doesn't know what these people are talking about
 135 2011-01-23 00:42:48 <niekie> Kiba: don't worry. I don't either.
 136 2011-01-23 00:42:50 <HackTheGibson> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uqX7Ei8FSg
 137 2011-01-23 00:42:52 * andrew12 doesn't know what Kiba's talking about
 138 2011-01-23 00:42:58 <HackTheGibson> talking about blue land crabs, motherfucker
 139 2011-01-23 00:44:11 <Kiba> luke-jr: so, what's your price for a VPS?
 140 2011-01-23 00:44:46 <HackTheGibson> 200 bitcoin
 141 2011-01-23 00:45:05 <HackTheGibson> become a premium member!
 142 2011-01-23 00:45:08 kermit has joined
 143 2011-01-23 00:45:29 <HackTheGibson> sup kermit
 144 2011-01-23 00:45:31 <HackTheGibson> and Keefe
 145 2011-01-23 00:45:47 <Keefe> hi
 146 2011-01-23 00:46:59 <HackTheGibson> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpiZDy6DQls
 147 2011-01-23 00:47:04 <HackTheGibson> what the fuck is this
 148 2011-01-23 00:47:09 <HackTheGibson> I was looking at fish tanks, and then...
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 150 2011-01-23 00:47:21 <Kiba> signal to noise ratio is declining for kiba
 151 2011-01-23 00:47:28 <HackTheGibson> Kiba: all day
 152 2011-01-23 00:49:11 * Kiba decides to ignore HackTheGibson
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 154 2011-01-23 00:49:38 <HackTheGibson> Kiba: good idea, I'm high and need food
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 157 2011-01-23 00:52:56 <luke-jr> Kiba: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/?page=vps&currency=BTC
 158 2011-01-23 00:53:19 <luke-jr> prices start at 27 BTC for VPS
 159 2011-01-23 00:53:37 <nevezen> per month?
 160 2011-01-23 00:53:40 <luke-jr> yes
 161 2011-01-23 00:53:58 <luke-jr> so far, my only BTC customer is paying 31 BTC/mo
 162 2011-01-23 00:54:02 <luke-jr> for that plus IPv4 NAT
 163 2011-01-23 00:54:43 <nevezen> gpu instances? :)
 164 2011-01-23 00:54:55 <luke-jr> 34 BTC/mo would be starting price for a dedicated IPv4 address
 165 2011-01-23 00:55:18 <luke-jr> nevezen: no :p
 166 2011-01-23 00:55:33 <luke-jr> nevezen: I don't even have a GPU miner myself
 167 2011-01-23 00:55:41 <HackTheGibson> luke-jr: the best ones are custom
 168 2011-01-23 00:55:48 <HackTheGibson> and in-house
 169 2011-01-23 00:55:49 <HackTheGibson> not open
 170 2011-01-23 00:55:58 <luke-jr> HackTheGibson: I don't know how to write GPU stuff
 171 2011-01-23 00:56:00 <HackTheGibson> you know, for capitalism's sake
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 173 2011-01-23 00:56:06 <HackTheGibson> luke-jr: buy someone who does.
 174 2011-01-23 00:56:08 <luke-jr> heck, I can't even write a good CPU miner
 175 2011-01-23 00:56:15 <HackTheGibson> lol exactly
 176 2011-01-23 00:56:21 <HackTheGibson> find someone who can and give them a new job
 177 2011-01-23 00:56:26 <luke-jr> I already offered a bounty for a CPU miner that takes advantage of my CPU
 178 2011-01-23 00:56:28 <HackTheGibson> pay em in nickels if you must
 179 2011-01-23 00:56:41 <luke-jr> heck, I'll offer a bounty for a good GPU miner too ;)
 180 2011-01-23 00:56:45 <luke-jr> but I don't know how practical that is
 181 2011-01-23 00:56:47 <HackTheGibson> luke-jr: well if you buy the source code, you can at least look at the source for yourself
 182 2011-01-23 00:56:51 <luke-jr> one supporting my GPU, I mean
 183 2011-01-23 00:56:55 <HackTheGibson> you could buy it just for the functions if you wanted
 184 2011-01-23 00:57:04 <HackTheGibson> for new algorithms
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 186 2011-01-23 00:59:22 <luke-jr> HackTheGibson: want to write a GPU miner that supports SB? :p
 187 2011-01-23 01:02:41 <HackTheGibson> SB?
 188 2011-01-23 01:02:43 <HackTheGibson> wat
 189 2011-01-23 01:04:57 <luke-jr> Sandy Bridge
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 191 2011-01-23 01:07:08 <HackTheGibson> oh
 192 2011-01-23 01:07:14 <HackTheGibson> that must be new
 193 2011-01-23 01:07:30 <HackTheGibson> ?
 194 2011-01-23 01:07:33 <HackTheGibson> luke-jr:
 195 2011-01-23 01:07:42 <luke-jr> yes
 196 2011-01-23 01:07:52 <luke-jr> about 1-2 weeks since launch
 197 2011-01-23 01:08:02 <luke-jr> Intel's new combined CPU+GPU
 198 2011-01-23 01:08:10 <luke-jr> beats my Radeon out, but no OpenCL
 199 2011-01-23 01:08:21 <HackTheGibson> oh hwho cares
 200 2011-01-23 01:08:25 <HackTheGibson> opencl
 201 2011-01-23 01:08:32 <HackTheGibson> why not opengl
 202 2011-01-23 01:10:19 <luke-jr> shrug
 203 2011-01-23 01:10:26 <luke-jr> I don't care *how* the miner works :p
 204 2011-01-23 01:10:37 <luke-jr> if someone can pull it off with OpenGL, great
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 207 2011-01-23 01:19:04 <HackTheGibson> Diablo-D3:
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 209 2011-01-23 01:19:21 HackTheGibson is now known as justKidding
 210 2011-01-23 01:19:56 <Diablo-D3> what?
 211 2011-01-23 01:20:27 <justKidding> wanna make some software for me?
 212 2011-01-23 01:20:36 <justKidding> game startup
 213 2011-01-23 01:20:56 <Diablo-D3> no.
 214 2011-01-23 01:21:07 <justKidding> moneys good
 215 2011-01-23 01:21:20 * justKidding tosses Diablo-D3 a nickel.
 216 2011-01-23 01:23:17 <joe_1> i want money
 217 2011-01-23 01:23:22 <joe_1> i'll make whatever software u want
 218 2011-01-23 01:23:50 adulau has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 219 2011-01-23 01:23:55 <justKidding> joe_1: hired!
 220 2011-01-23 01:23:56 adulau has joined
 221 2011-01-23 01:24:01 <justKidding> joe_1: meet me in my office
 222 2011-01-23 01:24:58 <luke-jr> joe_1: I want a SB CPU or GPU miner that can do minimum 8 MH/s :P
 223 2011-01-23 01:25:08 <justKidding> luke-jr: you got the hardware and the cash?
 224 2011-01-23 01:25:23 <justKidding> we aren't making a dedicated miner to run on your "pewter"
 225 2011-01-23 01:25:27 <justKidding> more like bronze
 226 2011-01-23 01:25:27 <justKidding> lol
 227 2011-01-23 01:26:06 <luke-jr> justKidding: I have the hardware, sure. Payment will be 50% of the different from my current mining rate, for the first month.
 228 2011-01-23 01:26:37 <justKidding> luke-jr: sounds like a completely reasonable price
 229 2011-01-23 01:26:41 <luke-jr> current mining rate is 4.5 MH/s I think
 230 2011-01-23 01:26:44 <joe_1> what i would do is start with a miner that already exists and streamline the code a little
 231 2011-01-23 01:26:44 <justKidding> how do I ensure you're legit?
 232 2011-01-23 01:26:57 <justKidding> joe_1: rtfm and find some .src
 233 2011-01-23 01:27:03 <luke-jr> so if only the minimum 8 MH/s is met, you get the yield of 1.75 MH/s for a month
 234 2011-01-23 01:27:20 <justKidding> luke-jr: mhmm how much does electricity cost there?
 235 2011-01-23 01:27:27 <luke-jr> justKidding: nfc
 236 2011-01-23 01:27:41 <justKidding> luke-jr: why not?
 237 2011-01-23 01:27:45 <luke-jr> my PC uses 150 W maxed out :P
 238 2011-01-23 01:27:53 <joe_1> justKidding what software do you need done
 239 2011-01-23 01:27:57 <justKidding> luke-jr: oh sick lol
 240 2011-01-23 01:28:05 <justKidding> luke-jr: custom rig, too. I'd buy one of those for myself
 241 2011-01-23 01:28:09 <luke-jr> SB won't match the leading AMD discrete probably, but it will sure beat it on MH/W :p
 242 2011-01-23 01:28:16 <justKidding> joe_1: ask luke-jr
 243 2011-01-23 01:28:41 <joe_1> so youwant the sb miner
 244 2011-01-23 01:28:45 <luke-jr> yeah
 245 2011-01-23 01:28:48 <nevezen> armagetron eh?
 246 2011-01-23 01:28:56 <luke-jr> ?
 247 2011-01-23 01:28:59 <joe_1> lets start with the basics
 248 2011-01-23 01:29:01 <joe_1> what's sb
 249 2011-01-23 01:29:11 <justKidding> joe_1: I don't even know. "Sandy Bridge"
 250 2011-01-23 01:29:11 <luke-jr> Sandy Bridge
 251 2011-01-23 01:29:15 <justKidding> yeah
 252 2011-01-23 01:29:19 <justKidding> some microprocessor architecture
 253 2011-01-23 01:29:22 <justKidding> brand spankin new
 254 2011-01-23 01:29:32 <andrew12> a sandy bridge would be an unstable bridge indeed
 255 2011-01-23 01:29:40 <justKidding> andrew12: not if it's harnessed correctly
 256 2011-01-23 01:29:54 <andrew12> with wood? then it isn't a sandy bridge
 257 2011-01-23 01:30:00 <justKidding> woods good
 258 2011-01-23 01:30:02 <nevezen> Reading you who you are on that page, luke-jr..
 259 2011-01-23 01:30:02 <justKidding> for seats
 260 2011-01-23 01:30:09 <luke-jr> what page
 261 2011-01-23 01:30:15 <justKidding> wikipedia random page
 262 2011-01-23 01:30:17 <nevezen> not you?
 263 2011-01-23 01:30:19 <nevezen> http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/?page=about
 264 2011-01-23 01:30:38 <luke-jr> ah
 265 2011-01-23 01:30:45 altamic has joined
 266 2011-01-23 01:30:59 <justKidding> altamic: hey!
 267 2011-01-23 01:31:07 <justKidding> altamic: how's business?
 268 2011-01-23 01:31:26 <altamic> not bad, thank you :)
 269 2011-01-23 01:31:28 <justKidding> http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/?page=freeciv
 270 2011-01-23 01:31:32 <justKidding> looks cool
 271 2011-01-23 01:31:59 <luke-jr> justKidding: never had anyone actually interested in that
 272 2011-01-23 01:32:00 <luke-jr> XD
 273 2011-01-23 01:32:07 <justKidding> luke-jr: srs?
 274 2011-01-23 01:32:11 <luke-jr> yeah
 275 2011-01-23 01:32:13 <justKidding> hahahaha
 276 2011-01-23 01:32:16 <justKidding> luke-jr: hilarious
 277 2011-01-23 01:32:22 <justKidding> luke-jr: you must be a terrible coder
 278 2011-01-23 01:32:26 <justKidding> lucky:
 279 2011-01-23 01:32:27 <luke-jr> …
 280 2011-01-23 01:32:37 <justKidding> just kidding, fool
 281 2011-01-23 01:32:47 <luke-jr> wtf does lack of interest in a game I have nothing to do with, mean anything about my coding? XD
 282 2011-01-23 01:32:54 <justKidding> you gotta be able to sell your code
 283 2011-01-23 01:33:06 <luke-jr> Freeciv hosting doesn't use my code :p
 284 2011-01-23 01:33:15 <justKidding> steal their code and host your own!
 285 2011-01-23 01:33:21 <justKidding> hahahah
 286 2011-01-23 01:33:24 <justKidding> capitalism, bitches
 287 2011-01-23 01:33:28 <Keefe> < luke-jr> SB won't match the leading AMD discrete probably, but it will sure beat it on MH/W :p
 288 2011-01-23 01:33:31 <Keefe> huh?
 289 2011-01-23 01:33:42 <justKidding> Keefe: but AMD is t3h suck
 290 2011-01-23 01:33:47 <luke-jr> Keefe: what?
 291 2011-01-23 01:33:56 <justKidding> luke-jr: AMD
 292 2011-01-23 01:33:58 <justKidding> ""
 293 2011-01-23 01:34:04 <justKidding> "AMD"
 294 2011-01-23 01:34:09 <Keefe> if the top SB chip uses 95W, you have to get more than 200 mhps out of it to even match the radeons' efficeincy
 295 2011-01-23 01:34:09 <luke-jr> yeah, AMD has the leading mining video cards these days
 296 2011-01-23 01:34:11 <luke-jr> so what?
 297 2011-01-23 01:34:17 <justKidding> soultcer: they are shit
 298 2011-01-23 01:34:36 <luke-jr> Keefe: for a fair comparison, you need to include the CPU power in the Radeon's total watts ;)
 299 2011-01-23 01:34:40 <Keefe> and you're talking about maybe getting 8 mhps out of it?
 300 2011-01-23 01:34:55 <luke-jr> Keefe: minimum to collect payment
 301 2011-01-23 01:35:01 <luke-jr> Keefe: the more the better :P
 302 2011-01-23 01:35:05 <justKidding> Keefe: casino royale
 303 2011-01-23 01:35:06 <luke-jr> (and the bigger the payment)
 304 2011-01-23 01:35:17 <justKidding> kief casino
 305 2011-01-23 01:35:18 <justKidding> lol sounds fun
 306 2011-01-23 01:35:29 <luke-jr> hmm, I might need to define what happens if multiple people achieve 8 MH/s
 307 2011-01-23 01:35:33 <Keefe> i just don't see you getting anywhere close to a radeon's efficiency, especially when you consider the while computer
 308 2011-01-23 01:35:37 <Keefe> whole*
 309 2011-01-23 01:35:53 <luke-jr> Keefe: I'm not. I use this computer anyway. :p
 310 2011-01-23 01:35:55 <justKidding> Keefe: what why
 311 2011-01-23 01:36:00 <justKidding> who what when where what why
 312 2011-01-23 01:36:02 <luke-jr> it's using power whether I mine or not
 313 2011-01-23 01:36:02 <justKidding> what?
 314 2011-01-23 01:36:14 <justKidding> luke-jr: solar panels
 315 2011-01-23 01:36:23 <Keefe> i have 3 5970's in each of my miner boxes, so the system overhead is minimal
 316 2011-01-23 01:36:23 <luke-jr> the GPU itself uses like 10 W more if it's at max
 317 2011-01-23 01:36:48 justKidding is now known as bounced
 318 2011-01-23 01:37:09 <Keefe> hmm, well maybe you have a point for really small-scale mining
 319 2011-01-23 01:37:21 <Keefe> if mining only costs another 10W
 320 2011-01-23 01:37:59 <Keefe> you need to get at least 18 mhps for it to be profitable as long as big radeon-based miners will be
 321 2011-01-23 01:41:01 Hal has joined
 322 2011-01-23 01:41:14 <Keefe> ;;bc,calc 18000
 323 2011-01-23 01:41:15 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 18000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 7 weeks, 1 day, 22 hours, 3 minutes, and 13 seconds
 324 2011-01-23 01:42:12 <bounced> https://www.umassd.edu/
 325 2011-01-23 01:42:50 <Keefe> that's worth about $13/month
 326 2011-01-23 01:44:18 <andrew12> i wonder when the lottery draws on taabl will be fixed
 327 2011-01-23 01:45:34 <joe_1> we have bitcoin roulette at the cash cow casino
 328 2011-01-23 01:45:47 <nevezen> hmm, EFF just wrote something worthwhile about bitcoin..
 329 2011-01-23 01:46:31 <andrew12> 2 days ago ;)
 330 2011-01-23 01:47:22 <joe_1> wow bitcoin is up to 0.4443
 331 2011-01-23 01:47:46 <andrew12> yup!
 332 2011-01-23 01:55:18 <joe_1> we're rich
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 335 2011-01-23 02:05:37 <xelister> nevezen: url?
 336 2011-01-23 02:05:55 <bounced> trade data going craaaazy
 337 2011-01-23 02:07:29 <andrew12> xelister: I can get it. one sec
 338 2011-01-23 02:07:51 <andrew12> xelister: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/01/bitcoin-step-toward-censorship-resistant
 339 2011-01-23 02:08:04 <andrew12> xelister: that'd be 1 BTC pl0x. :P
 340 2011-01-23 02:09:45 <andrew12> kidding of course
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 348 2011-01-23 02:24:28 <altamic> where I can find the old bitcoin wiki
 349 2011-01-23 02:24:28 <altamic> ?
 350 2011-01-23 02:27:45 * altamic http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php
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 352 2011-01-23 02:42:09 <reezer> I have an HD5970 and disabled Crossfire, however I do only see one GPU when I run m0mchil's miner I do only see one device. How can I use the second core on the card?
 353 2011-01-23 02:44:47 <bounced> reezer: reseat the card
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 355 2011-01-23 02:49:02 <bounced> logankoester:
 356 2011-01-23 02:50:38 <reezer> I don't think that's the problem. With crossfire enabled I see two devices in the miner and they always visible in aticonfig. It's just that after disabling crossfire I don't see a second one. Should be the other way round :D
 357 2011-01-23 02:51:22 <reezer> However with enabled crossfire the second core doesn't produce anything valid
 358 2011-01-23 02:55:45 <xelister> reezer: write an angry letter to software developer morons @ ATI
 359 2011-01-23 02:55:53 <xelister> I recommend a Subject line  Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
 360 2011-01-23 02:55:58 <Keefe> did you delete crossfire chains?
 361 2011-01-23 02:56:05 <reezer> Keefe: yes
 362 2011-01-23 02:56:13 <xelister> reezer: Xorg lists all devices?
 363 2011-01-23 02:56:32 <reezer> xelister: yes
 364 2011-01-23 02:56:57 <Keefe> can aticonfig read the clocks and temps for both chips?
 365 2011-01-23 02:58:03 <Keefe> and have you rebooted since changing any settings?
 366 2011-01-23 02:58:20 <Keefe> sometimes that's necessary
 367 2011-01-23 02:58:22 <reezer> yes @ both
 368 2011-01-23 02:58:58 <Keefe> and you verified that cf chains didn't get recreated during boot?
 369 2011-01-23 02:59:51 <Keefe> and did you make sure DISPLAY=:0 in the context of the miner?
 370 2011-01-23 02:59:51 <reezer> yes, I had that earlier, but I started from scratch again and it doesn't do so now
 371 2011-01-23 03:00:14 <reezer> Will try that
 372 2011-01-23 03:00:19 <xelister> Ati really needs to get its shit in order
 373 2011-01-23 03:01:19 <Keefe> did you solve the sdk 2.1 problem?
 374 2011-01-23 03:02:58 <reezer> yes, as I said I uninstalled everything and this fixed most of my problems
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 376 2011-01-23 03:09:57 <OneFixt> http://www.quora.com/Is-Bitcoin-doomed-to-fail
 377 2011-01-23 03:09:58 ArtForz has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 378 2011-01-23 03:10:02 <OneFixt> "On the other hand the cost of compromising the Bitcoin network for 48h with 2000 malicious CPUs would be, at a current price of $0.20/CPU/hour (EC2 simple instance), $19,200." <----- fail
 379 2011-01-23 03:10:56 <reezer> I restarted, rechecked everything and using the DISPLAY context gives me two devices again, but they still  share one GPU
 380 2011-01-23 03:12:04 <reezer> Sorry, regarding X I am without any plan
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 382 2011-01-23 03:13:49 <nevezen> what an article..
 383 2011-01-23 03:13:55 <dooglus> slush: I don't know if you got ssh installed or not, but ctrl+alt+F1 should give you a login prompt even if X isn't working
 384 2011-01-23 03:14:10 <dooglus> (rather than typing apt-get blinding, or putting the disk in another box)
 385 2011-01-23 03:14:17 <dooglus> blindly*
 386 2011-01-23 03:19:45 <reezer> aticonfig says crossfire is disabled, even using the display. But I don't really understand why this makes a difference. Shouldn't the miner use this display anyway. There aren't any others, right?
 387 2011-01-23 03:20:04 <Diablo-D3> reezer: display has a funny definition
 388 2011-01-23 03:20:21 <Diablo-D3> DISPLAY=:0 is "all" monitors belonging to display 0
 389 2011-01-23 03:20:59 <Diablo-D3> [09:37:21] <reezer> I have an HD5970 and disabled Crossfire, however I do only see one GPU when I run m0mchil's miner I do only see one device. How can I use the second core on the card?
 390 2011-01-23 03:21:02 <Diablo-D3> uh dude
 391 2011-01-23 03:21:05 ArtForz has joined
 392 2011-01-23 03:21:10 <Diablo-D3> you have to run multiple copies of m0's
 393 2011-01-23 03:21:18 <Diablo-D3> you want my miner if you want mine to grab all of them
 394 2011-01-23 03:21:23 <reezer> yeah, that's what I do
 395 2011-01-23 03:21:48 <reezer> They still share one core for some reason
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 397 2011-01-23 03:22:04 <Diablo-D3> because you have to set one as :0.1 and the other :0.2
 398 2011-01-23 03:23:16 <Diablo-D3> or was it 0.0 and 0.1
 399 2011-01-23 03:23:17 <Diablo-D3> I forget
 400 2011-01-23 03:23:28 <Diablo-D3> subdisplays refer to specific GPUs
 401 2011-01-23 03:24:16 <Keefe> for my miner, i set DISPLAY=:0
 402 2011-01-23 03:24:34 <Keefe> and pass a param to use the nth gpu found
 403 2011-01-23 03:24:44 <Diablo-D3> yeah m0's doesnt
 404 2011-01-23 03:25:57 <Diablo-D3> reezer: try mine and see if it works
 405 2011-01-23 03:26:38 <Kiba> we are not right on everything, but that is not transparent
 406 2011-01-23 03:26:45 <Kiba> everything in the mind seems to be right
 407 2011-01-23 03:27:19 <Kiba> and something we just don't know stuff to be wrong about
 408 2011-01-23 03:27:57 <Keefe> 2000 cpus? haha. more like 100K cpus
 409 2011-01-23 03:28:13 <reezer> yeah, I already tried this... uhm, now I confused myself. First I set both of them to the same value by accident, then I realized one was using the CPU instead and... well, okay will play a bit with it :D
 410 2011-01-23 03:28:33 <OneFixt> you'd need about 22,500 CPUS to get close to half the network
 411 2011-01-23 03:30:28 <Kiba> so 22,500 hijacked computers then
 412 2011-01-23 03:30:34 <Kiba> or maybe some of them are dual-core
 413 2011-01-23 03:31:54 <Keefe> a dual-core intel core-i5 only does 2 mhps
 414 2011-01-23 03:32:12 <Keefe> you'd need almost 100K of those
 415 2011-01-23 03:32:15 <nevezen> same with a dual core amd64 x2 4000+
 416 2011-01-23 03:33:18 <reezer> Diablo-D3: It uses both, but does the hasmeter output the speed per core or the total value?
 417 2011-01-23 03:33:26 <reezer> hashmeter*
 418 2011-01-23 03:33:28 <xelister> modify stunex to infect ArtForz's miner
 419 2011-01-23 03:34:07 <Cusipzzz> xelister: lol
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 421 2011-01-23 03:37:12 <reezer> oh and anyone knows something about the maximum heat that a 5970 can bear? I don't really want to try it :D
 422 2011-01-23 03:39:11 <Keefe> i've run mine as hot as 95 C when testing, and when the weather gets too warm
 423 2011-01-23 03:39:17 <Keefe> but i prefer ~80 C
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 428 2011-01-23 03:57:22 <tcatm> Yay, just introduced bitcoins to someone via a forum where I sold something and offered payment via bitcoins.
 429 2011-01-23 03:58:03 <Cusipzzz> tcatm: nice
 430 2011-01-23 04:00:06 <Keefe> reezer: i once set the fan to a low speed for testing and forgot it for a few minutes. the temp hit 100 C and the card throttled itself to 550mhz. it has been running fine since without problems
 431 2011-01-23 04:00:15 <luke-jr> [22:54:50] <bitcoincharts> TX 17nbtSi2b1BEVk6x86MEYXFTDnqNf8gSCg 0.05 BTC 1Fig3oBSWVY9AkdJhqcUrJ4SYnim8UsFDx 424 TBC 9979a64519d073afa59fb9dc61389d10593795573ce22bc5a7c257396548dcfd
 432 2011-01-23 04:00:39 <luke-jr> tcatm: what is more likely, 424 TBC even, or 40.96 BTC? :P
 433 2011-01-23 04:01:19 <tcatm> 40.96
 434 2011-01-23 04:01:22 <luke-jr> :p
 435 2011-01-23 04:01:41 <tcatm> Looks like I should remove TBC support
 436 2011-01-23 04:01:45 <luke-jr> no
 437 2011-01-23 04:02:01 <luke-jr> it made a good guess
 438 2011-01-23 04:02:54 <luke-jr> the problem is really the unpredictability of change
 439 2011-01-23 04:03:29 <luke-jr> it's not necessarily a sensible value to humans :P
 440 2011-01-23 04:05:24 <luke-jr> [19:37:18] <bitcoincharts> TX 1LwwmfVVMRN3Fhqzsn1mpPusxV7NZSSdvP 20.00 BTC 1A9wsw67UGS1xi25v1ansS3w6xE9i7zT16 1546822 uBTCents 46fc23f682c8cbe807d9d8a5ed11239c69a4f1d8cb890efcdc07ff43dd761f9c
 441 2011-01-23 04:05:41 <luke-jr> I wonder if this kind of analysis could allow identifying change
 442 2011-01-23 04:06:25 <luke-jr> for the BTC/TBC one, it could look at the 3 possible interpretations: 0.05 BTC, 40.96 BTC, and 424 TBC
 443 2011-01-23 04:06:39 <luke-jr> deduce that a human is significantly more likely to spent 0.05 BTC than the others
 444 2011-01-23 04:06:50 <luke-jr> and decide that 0.05 is the real tx value
 445 2011-01-23 04:07:14 MJD has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 446 2011-01-23 04:07:48 <luke-jr> [23:00:44] <bitcoincharts> TX 1KDaJEbUuehQsbecRnZqHVJguF5UtFpvXk 0.09 BTC 125NU1PceAp1W18eG5AU5TbWWgXTKmiT4Q 44.97 BTC b4a0bd0c9c255bc3c4ad67c7ea7d1fbba6bb95a6a0faae139c96816b28cb9fc1
 447 2011-01-23 04:07:57 <luke-jr> that would be a harder one to analyze :|
 448 2011-01-23 04:07:59 <luke-jr> tcatm: thoughts?
 449 2011-01-23 04:09:02 bounced is now known as herro
 450 2011-01-23 04:10:18 <tcatm> dropping TBC support is very easy and will fix it for > 99% of all cases
 451 2011-01-23 04:10:46 <luke-jr> tcatm: don't be silly
 452 2011-01-23 04:11:07 <reezer> heh, I believe my PSU just died
 453 2011-01-23 04:11:21 <luke-jr> it's not broken
 454 2011-01-23 04:11:28 <luke-jr> reezer: if it did, you wouldn't be here :P
 455 2011-01-23 04:11:58 <reezer> Hmm?
 456 2011-01-23 04:13:28 <luke-jr> tcatm: while that TBC value didn't exist for any human, neither did its BTC equivalent
 457 2011-01-23 04:14:02 <luke-jr> tcatm: those dual-interpretation values are likely only going to be seen in change values, which aren't really for human interpretation anyway
 458 2011-01-23 04:14:24 <tcatm> So everything is okay ;)
 459 2011-01-23 04:14:39 <Diablo-D3> reezer: total value
 460 2011-01-23 04:14:44 <Diablo-D3> and it lists multiple at the start
 461 2011-01-23 04:14:47 <luke-jr> yeah, I just thought some of the change was interesting
 462 2011-01-23 04:15:04 <luke-jr> even weird uBTCents when not converting between Tonal and Decimal coins
 463 2011-01-23 04:15:21 <luke-jr> kinda wonder how that happened
 464 2011-01-23 04:16:11 <luke-jr> we'd certainly see it more often if slush wasn't scamming people\
 465 2011-01-23 04:16:36 <luke-jr> tcatm: does your bot show fees?
 466 2011-01-23 04:16:37 <tcatm> He's  not scamming
 467 2011-01-23 04:16:49 <tcatm> no, only TXouts
 468 2011-01-23 04:16:51 <luke-jr> tcatm: he even agrees himself that he is in fact scamming :P
 469 2011-01-23 04:17:06 <tcatm> How does he scam?
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 471 2011-01-23 04:17:40 <luke-jr> he keeps a revolving balance for everyone less than 1 cBTC
 472 2011-01-23 04:18:55 <tcatm> That's okay. AFAIK those subcents will be paidonce they are >= 0.01 BTC
 473 2011-01-23 04:19:14 <luke-jr> at which time, slush has a new sub-1cBTC balance he keeps
 474 2011-01-23 04:19:16 <luke-jr> :p
 475 2011-01-23 04:20:06 <tcatm> Don't see a problem with it.
 476 2011-01-23 04:20:33 <Keefe> quite petty to accuse him of scamming over fractions of a penny
 477 2011-01-23 04:20:38 <tcatm> If you want your full 50 BTC coinbase mine without a pool :P
 478 2011-01-23 04:20:41 <Keefe> when there's an obvious reason
 479 2011-01-23 04:20:44 <luke-jr> tcatm: no problem, still scam
 480 2011-01-23 04:20:45 <luke-jr> :p
 481 2011-01-23 04:20:57 <joe_1> in this case he just needs to pay the prime borrow rate to people that have sub cent balances
 482 2011-01-23 04:20:57 <luke-jr> Keefe: no reason in my case
 483 2011-01-23 04:21:21 <luke-jr> I don't mind, but I call it what it is :P
 484 2011-01-23 04:21:35 <Keefe> would you call it a scam if he stated the way it is, in the TOS or w/e?
 485 2011-01-23 04:21:44 <luke-jr> shrug
 486 2011-01-23 04:21:56 <luke-jr> as long as he calls it a scam, I see no problem with the term
 487 2011-01-23 04:23:59 <Keefe> i suppose you could say the same about fractional cents in mtgox $ balances
 488 2011-01-23 04:24:25 <Keefe> you can have $1.234 at mtgox and are only able to withdraw $1.23
 489 2011-01-23 04:24:26 <luke-jr> dunno, never used mtgox
 490 2011-01-23 04:24:58 <luke-jr> well, USD doesn't really have sub-cent values
 491 2011-01-23 04:25:03 <Keefe> mainly because he can't send fractional cents by LR or any other way
 492 2011-01-23 04:25:24 <Keefe> so they're either kept in your mtgox acct or discarded. he chose the former
 493 2011-01-23 04:25:26 <tcatm> I have $0.22 stuck at bitcoin-central :/
 494 2011-01-23 04:25:28 <luke-jr> there's no technical reason one couldn't send a full bitcoin balance
 495 2011-01-23 04:26:09 <Keefe> tcatm: LR$?
 496 2011-01-23 04:26:13 <tcatm> yep
 497 2011-01-23 04:26:29 <Keefe> there's a minimum withdrawal amt?
 498 2011-01-23 04:26:39 <joe_1> if mtgox wanted to, they would really only have to keep 10 or 20% of the total bitcoin balances
 499 2011-01-23 04:27:06 <tcatm> no, but why should I go through the trouble withdrawing LR$0.22, converting to EUR and transfer it to my bank account?
 500 2011-01-23 04:27:26 <tcatm> I'd rather buy bitcoins for them
 501 2011-01-23 04:27:58 <Keefe> so they're not stuck
 502 2011-01-23 04:28:20 <herro> Keefe: camels are the best
 503 2011-01-23 04:28:22 <herro> cigarettes
 504 2011-01-23 04:28:27 <tcatm> Well "soft" stuck
 505 2011-01-23 04:28:29 <herro> old school joe camel
 506 2011-01-23 04:29:01 <Keefe> wrong chan herro?
 507 2011-01-23 04:29:29 <herro> huh?
 508 2011-01-23 04:30:03 <joe_1> newports are the best cigarette
 509 2011-01-23 04:30:24 <hacim> ?
 510 2011-01-23 04:30:28 <tcatm> I wonder how many blocks I'll mine today. I got 5 (avg should be ~3..4/day for my miner) in 5 hours.
 511 2011-01-23 04:30:39 <joe_1> i will sell them for 150 coins a pack
 512 2011-01-23 04:30:57 <hacim> tcatm: damn, what kind of hardware are you running?
 513 2011-01-23 04:31:05 <Cusipzzz> tcatm: mbfn :)
 514 2011-01-23 04:31:17 <hacim> i haven't got a single block today
 515 2011-01-23 04:31:24 <nevezen> that's pricey joe_1 :P
 516 2011-01-23 04:31:50 <joe_1> sorry i mis calculated
 517 2011-01-23 04:32:05 <joe_1> 19 coins a pack
 518 2011-01-23 04:32:14 <joe_1> 150 coins a carton
 519 2011-01-23 04:33:07 <hacim> joe_1: deal, send me the coins
 520 2011-01-23 04:33:29 <tcatm> hacim: just some GPUs
 521 2011-01-23 04:33:43 <joe_1> hacim sorry i was selling the cigarettes not buying
 522 2011-01-23 04:33:58 <nevezen> I tried newports before.. they're not much different than other menthol cigarettes.
 523 2011-01-23 04:34:20 herro has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
 524 2011-01-23 04:34:23 <joe_1> no they're better cause they're the only menthol cigarette that still lets through the actual tobacco taste
 525 2011-01-23 04:35:05 <nevezen> the best I've smoked are djarum blacks
 526 2011-01-23 04:35:19 <nevezen> but they're no longer being sold as cigarettes but cigars
 527 2011-01-23 04:35:30 <joe_1> o
 528 2011-01-23 04:35:34 <nevezen> some funky american import ban
 529 2011-01-23 04:37:44 <hacim> tcatm: i guess some days are your lucky day
 530 2011-01-23 04:38:11 <tcatm> hacim: yep
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 536 2011-01-23 05:01:58 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 3500
 537 2011-01-23 05:01:59 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 3500 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 37 weeks, 2 days, 20 hours, 50 minutes, and 51 seconds
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 543 2011-01-23 05:50:04 <nevezen> are there people willing to spend that time for results? 37 weeks?
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 549 2011-01-23 06:03:20 <Keefe> nevezen: they could get lucky and find a block in the first day
 550 2011-01-23 06:03:40 <Keefe> or they could crunch numbers for years and never find anything
 551 2011-01-23 06:04:33 <Keefe> i'd say that anyone mining on their own with that kind of power, is the kind of person that likes gambling
 552 2011-01-23 06:07:18 int0x27h has joined
 553 2011-01-23 06:09:48 <[Noodles]> or just likes to support the network. how long does it take on average to find E.T.? people run SETI anyway
 554 2011-01-23 06:12:27 <Keefe> haha
 555 2011-01-23 06:12:34 <Keefe> true
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 566 2011-01-23 07:43:51 <andrew12> ci
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 570 2011-01-23 07:48:45 <andrew12> 3 blocks in 5 minutes!
 571 2011-01-23 07:50:12 <andrew12> 4 in 6!
 572 2011-01-23 07:50:15 <andrew12> what's going on!
 573 2011-01-23 07:50:17 <andrew12> LOL
 574 2011-01-23 07:51:59 <Kiba> lucky day?
 575 2011-01-23 07:52:25 <andrew12> they aren't my blocks, i've just seen them in -monitor
 576 2011-01-23 07:52:32 * andrew12 wishes they were his blocks :(
 577 2011-01-23 07:53:02 <andrew12> night guys
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 586 2011-01-23 09:55:29 <samfisher> hi
 587 2011-01-23 09:55:41 <samfisher> how can I see the time remaining to the change of diff?
 588 2011-01-23 09:55:52 <ArtForz> ;;bc,stats
 589 2011-01-23 09:55:55 <gribble> Current Blocks: 104148 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 683 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 0 hours, 56 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 21857.11764436
 590 2011-01-23 09:56:36 <ArtForz> it's only an estimate based on history of blocks/h, but usually not too far off
 591 2011-01-23 10:16:08 <samfisher> ArtForz: not too far? a few digits? or thousands?
 592 2011-01-23 10:16:53 <lfm> within 1000 probably
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 596 2011-01-23 10:18:02 <ArtForz> well, the block count is accurate
 597 2011-01-23 10:18:42 <ArtForz> iirc est. time remaining is simply blocks remaining * avg time per block so far in this difficulty period
 598 2011-01-23 10:19:30 <ArtForz> usually accurate to a few h after 50% or so of a difficulty period have elapsed
 599 2011-01-23 10:30:11 <noagendamarket> howdy everyone...we are just about to go live with the witcoin site and want to see how it runs with a few users.
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 602 2011-01-23 10:30:21 <noagendamarket> #witcoin
 603 2011-01-23 10:30:31 <noagendamarket> if you want to give us some feedback
 604 2011-01-23 10:33:43 <satamusic> whats witcoin?
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 606 2011-01-23 10:35:01 <noagendamarket> satamusic http://witcoin.com
 607 2011-01-23 10:37:18 <satamusic> hmm
 608 2011-01-23 10:37:21 <satamusic> don't get it
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 610 2011-01-23 10:40:15 <noagendamarket> statmusic when you submit content and people vote for it both the people who voted and you get a cut
 611 2011-01-23 10:42:56 <andrew12^droid> "Its like reddit or digg but for bitcoins"
 612 2011-01-23 10:43:23 <andrew12^droid> It's*
 613 2011-01-23 10:43:42 <noagendamarket> crediit :)
 614 2011-01-23 10:43:54 <noagendamarket> or creddit lol
 615 2011-01-23 10:47:54 <noagendamarket> we need a faw-wit lol
 616 2011-01-23 10:48:03 <noagendamarket> *faq- wit
 617 2011-01-23 10:49:36 <satamusic> hmm like flattr, right?
 618 2011-01-23 10:49:57 <noagendamarket> not at the moment
 619 2011-01-23 10:50:08 <noagendamarket> but that is a possibible update
 620 2011-01-23 10:50:22 <satamusic> meaning it only works on witcoin.com
 621 2011-01-23 10:50:36 <satamusic> ah ^
 622 2011-01-23 10:50:42 <noagendamarket> well with the onsite wallet
 623 2011-01-23 10:50:43 <satamusic> sorry, i have terrible lag
 624 2011-01-23 10:51:08 <noagendamarket> we could easily do a javascript button
 625 2011-01-23 10:51:17 <noagendamarket> that links to your account
 626 2011-01-23 10:51:49 <noagendamarket> as well as let people set an amount for certain answers
 627 2011-01-23 10:52:02 <noagendamarket> so if you need a specialized answer\
 628 2011-01-23 10:53:49 <satamusic> like.... yahoo answers?
 629 2011-01-23 10:54:04 <noagendamarket> yep or just answer
 630 2011-01-23 10:54:39 <ArtForz> or expert-sexchange ;)
 631 2011-01-23 10:54:46 <satamusic> exactly!
 632 2011-01-23 10:54:51 <noagendamarket> haha
 633 2011-01-23 10:54:52 <satamusic> i was trying to remember the name :)
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 635 2011-01-23 11:00:34 <noagendamarket> another feature is you will be able to create categories
 636 2011-01-23 11:01:17 <noagendamarket> and you will earn a percentage of the action lol
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 638 2011-01-23 11:02:18 <noagendamarket> no doubt someone will start the category t.witcoin.co lol
 639 2011-01-23 11:02:31 <noagendamarket> each category will be a subdomain
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 643 2011-01-23 11:07:01 <noagendamarket> the best part is people can submit a bug report on the site and it will get voted up thus meaning it incentivises us to fix it lol
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 645 2011-01-23 11:25:24 <andrew12^droid> Hmm.
 646 2011-01-23 11:25:32 <lfm> Total value of transactions: 2.10502e+07
 647 2011-01-23 11:25:52 <andrew12^droid> Curious if that nick was my desktop, but I can't get up to check
 648 2011-01-23 11:26:01 <andrew12^droid> lfm: wat
 649 2011-01-23 11:26:20 <lfm> added up the value of all the txn ever
 650 2011-01-23 11:26:47 <andrew12^droid> Wouldn't that just be the total # of bitcoins?
 651 2011-01-23 11:26:48 <sipa> interesting
 652 2011-01-23 11:27:14 <lfm> not really too meaningfull cuz it includes "change`returned to the payer
 653 2011-01-23 11:27:14 <andrew12^droid> Also don't use scientific notation unless the number is more than 8 digits
 654 2011-01-23 11:27:29 <lfm> just %g format
 655 2011-01-23 11:27:45 <andrew12^droid> %g?
 656 2011-01-23 11:28:03 <lfm> you eber heard of a programming language called `C`É
 657 2011-01-23 11:28:21 <sipa> try %.9g
 658 2011-01-23 11:28:38 <lfm> dame keyboard is in forein mode again, brb...
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 661 2011-01-23 11:30:23 <lfm> so Im lazy I just use %g
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 664 2011-01-23 11:39:08 <slush1> ;;bc,stats
 665 2011-01-23 11:39:10 <gribble> Current Blocks: 104154 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 677 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 0 hours, 28 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 21759.77950936
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 668 2011-01-23 11:47:29 <btcex> hi all!
 669 2011-01-23 11:48:08 <btcex> question: how I can determine what block contains this transaction (by txid)?
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 671 2011-01-23 11:48:11 <btcex> from CLI
 672 2011-01-23 11:48:44 <btcex> question: how I can determine which block contains this transaction (by txid)?
 673 2011-01-23 11:51:41 <ArtForz> nope
 674 2011-01-23 11:52:07 <ArtForz> client can't do it currently, you either need a external tool or use BBE
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 678 2011-01-23 11:54:41 <btcex> ArtForz: pity (
 679 2011-01-23 11:55:19 <btcex> It looks like the next step after adding listtransactions
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 681 2011-01-23 11:57:21 <lfm> btcex why do you need to know?
 682 2011-01-23 11:58:34 <btcex> lfm: I want to implement "random" number generator for probiwon.com based on block hash
 683 2011-01-23 11:59:00 <btcex> It would be verifiable and at the same random
 684 2011-01-23 11:59:49 <lfm> btcex so a lottery or a numbers game? If it was me, Id just write my own program to read the block database
 685 2011-01-23 12:01:25 <btcex> lfm: Yes, lottery. I am like reusable code
 686 2011-01-23 12:01:49 <btcex> My own program needs my own DB etc...
 687 2011-01-23 12:02:08 <lfm> the block explorer can show you all that stuff
 688 2011-01-23 12:04:38 <btcex> lfm: Yes. This is my idea: any player can find his transaction and get hash of block.
 689 2011-01-23 12:05:19 <btcex> sha256(block hash + txid) = coords of arrow
 690 2011-01-23 12:06:59 <lfm> so if he sends it to a lottery btc address you can search for txn to that address
 691 2011-01-23 12:07:18 <lfm> plus the timestamps help narrow em down
 692 2011-01-23 12:08:26 <lfm> has of txn is different from hash of txn. you prolly want hash opf txn so you dont have two or more txn in the same block with the same block hash
 693 2011-01-23 12:08:51 <lfm> hash of block is different from hash of txn
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 695 2011-01-23 12:09:26 <btcex> timestamp my be predicted
 696 2011-01-23 12:09:39 <btcex> may*
 697 2011-01-23 12:09:40 <lfm> not exactly no
 698 2011-01-23 12:10:14 <btcex> lfm: i am already getting txid of all transactions to probiwon.com
 699 2011-01-23 12:10:15 <lfm> but if you know the time of the txn you can find the block you want pretty quick usually
 700 2011-01-23 12:10:28 <btcex> byt i am need way to get block hash of transactions
 701 2011-01-23 12:10:31 <btcex> but*
 702 2011-01-23 12:10:54 <btcex> from CLI
 703 2011-01-23 12:10:57 <lfm> but two txn can be the same block hash
 704 2011-01-23 12:12:13 <btcex> I do not have the resources to replicate the database of bitcoin in SQL and disembowel it as I conveniently by requests.
 705 2011-01-23 12:12:13 <btcex> Casino does not bring as much money as it seems
 706 2011-01-23 12:12:29 <btcex> lfm: yes, same. but I propose + txid
 707 2011-01-23 12:12:38 <lfm> ah ok
 708 2011-01-23 12:12:43 <btcex> +txid randomizes results for users
 709 2011-01-23 12:13:15 <btcex> for casino same result of all users of block does not matter at all
 710 2011-01-23 12:14:03 <lfm> ok so when you look up a txn hash in blockexplorer it gives you Total value of transactions: 2.10502e+07
 711 2011-01-23 12:14:15 <lfm> oops wrong button
 712 2011-01-23 12:14:24 <lfm> # Appeared in block 104156 (2011-01-23 11:47:22)
 713 2011-01-23 12:14:50 <lfm> ok so when you look up a txn hash in blockexplorer it gives you # Appeared in block 104156 (2011-01-23 11:47:22)
 714 2011-01-23 12:15:02 <lfm> with a link
 715 2011-01-23 12:15:08 <btcex> lfm: and block hash is 000000001235667566723e65
 716 2011-01-23 12:15:30 <lfm> first part anyway
 717 2011-01-23 12:15:34 <btcex> hash of block I mean
 718 2011-01-23 12:15:36 <btcex> yes
 719 2011-01-23 12:15:49 <lfm> actual hashes are mostly 32 bytes
 720 2011-01-23 12:16:00 <btcex> but I am use sha256(block hash + txid)
 721 2011-01-23 12:16:18 <btcex> and it is gives random string for me
 722 2011-01-23 12:16:46 <lfm> ya a couple 32 byte hashes
 723 2011-01-23 12:17:10 <btcex> and i am use first 4 bytes for lottery result
 724 2011-01-23 12:18:04 <lfm> first 4 bytes of block hashes are not as random cuz they got a lot of leading zeros
 725 2011-01-23 12:18:09 <btcex> it will be random bytes, but player can check what they are not generated by me on blockexplorer
 726 2011-01-23 12:18:31 <samfisher> how can I see on mt gox the minimum price for the last week?
 727 2011-01-23 12:18:39 <btcex> lfm: lottery_result = get_first_4bytes( sha256(block hash + txid) )
 728 2011-01-23 12:18:53 <btcex> samfisher: sha256(block hash + txid)
 729 2011-01-23 12:18:58 <btcex> oops)))
 730 2011-01-23 12:19:01 <btcex> samfisher: https://mtgox.com/trade/megaChart
 731 2011-01-23 12:19:39 <btcex> cool misspoke :)
 732 2011-01-23 12:19:43 <lfm> ya still first 4 bytes of block hash are a lot of zeros that are not as random as they could be if you used a different 4 bytes
 733 2011-01-23 12:19:53 <ArtForz> technically workable, for small sums
 734 2011-01-23 12:20:09 <btcex> lfm: it is not random but sha256 hash of hash block is random
 735 2011-01-23 12:20:23 <lfm> depending how you select "first"
 736 2011-01-23 12:20:23 <btcex> of block hash
 737 2011-01-23 12:20:46 <lfm> no! sha hash of non random number is not as random
 738 2011-01-23 12:20:46 <samfisher> btcex: can you please confirm that the price for this week, until today price was higher than 0.32?
 739 2011-01-23 12:20:50 <btcex> lfm: literally, take the first 4 bytes
 740 2011-01-23 12:21:17 <lfm> btcex ya but is it little endian or bigendian hash?
 741 2011-01-23 12:21:22 <btcex> samfisher: price avail only at trade moment
 742 2011-01-23 12:21:40 <btcex> samfisher: such exchange Buddhism
 743 2011-01-23 12:22:10 <lfm> first 4 bytes is ambiguous with sha256
 744 2011-01-23 12:22:14 <btcex> lfm: hm... :) like on x86 :)
 745 2011-01-23 12:22:25 <btcex> lfm: why?
 746 2011-01-23 12:22:49 <btcex> 2 bytes for x coord and 2 for y coord of arrow on picture with target
 747 2011-01-23 12:22:52 <lfm> cuz there are a lot of byte swaps done and it depends when you get it
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 749 2011-01-23 12:23:37 <btcex> II done the tests - it is quite by accident. I made 100,000 attempts.
 750 2011-01-23 12:23:46 <lfm> sometimes the display of a hash is last byte first
 751 2011-01-23 12:24:04 <lfm> haha is that all?
 752 2011-01-23 12:24:22 <btcex> lfm: ok, i can get 1 and 3 byte for x and 2 and 4 for y
 753 2011-01-23 12:24:30 <btcex> because target is circle
 754 2011-01-23 12:24:45 <btcex> it will be not matter from byte order :)
 755 2011-01-23 12:25:07 <sipa> 13:15:56 < lfm> no! sha hash of non random number is not as random   --> eh, i hope it is
 756 2011-01-23 12:25:23 <lfm> try byte 14, 15, 16, 17 they should always be good no matter which endian you take from
 757 2011-01-23 12:25:28 <btcex> my english is bad, sorry
 758 2011-01-23 12:25:42 <lfm> you statistics are bad too
 759 2011-01-23 12:25:50 <sipa> lfm: all bytes are equally random
 760 2011-01-23 12:25:51 <btcex> i mean what sha is not random but block hash is random and hash of block hash is more random
 761 2011-01-23 12:25:58 <btcex> and +txid adds some salt to hash
 762 2011-01-23 12:26:22 <lfm> if you hash(0) it will always be the same no matter how random it "looks"
 763 2011-01-23 12:26:30 <btcex> lfm: yes
 764 2011-01-23 12:26:40 <sipa> of course, it is not random, but it is patternless
 765 2011-01-23 12:26:48 <sipa> it is still a deterministic function
 766 2011-01-23 12:27:03 <lfm> so if you hash(block + txn but block is always zero then you just hash txn and txn is also predictable
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 770 2011-01-23 12:27:15 <sipa> heh
 771 2011-01-23 12:27:17 <btcex> lfm: I officially invite you beat my casino when I implement this thing. Ok? :)
 772 2011-01-23 12:27:24 <ArtForz> will do
 773 2011-01-23 12:27:43 <lfm> ok when you lose your shirt dont blame me
 774 2011-01-23 12:27:52 <btcex> <lfm> so if you hash(block + txn but block is always zero then you just hash txn and txn is also predictable
 775 2011-01-23 12:28:01 <btcex> why block hash is always zero?
 776 2011-01-23 12:28:09 <btcex> hash of block
 777 2011-01-23 12:28:29 <lfm> first 4 bytes of block hash is always zero if you pick the wrong end
 778 2011-01-23 12:28:46 <ArtForz> that'd be the last 4 bytes ;)
 779 2011-01-23 12:28:46 <btcex> lfm: i dont use block hash for lottery result!111
 780 2011-01-23 12:28:56 <ArtForz> still doesn't matter
 781 2011-01-23 12:29:01 <btcex> i will be use hash of block of hash for it
 782 2011-01-23 12:29:13 <btcex> i will be use hash of block hash for it
 783 2011-01-23 12:29:18 <sipa> doesn't even matter
 784 2011-01-23 12:29:19 <sipa> there is a finite amount of blocks
 785 2011-01-23 12:29:22 <sipa> i can try all
 786 2011-01-23 12:29:41 <lfm> yup 4 bytes is bruteforcable
 787 2011-01-23 12:29:53 <btcex> sipa: thousands CPUs and GPUs every 10 minutes trying to find hash of block. yes?
 788 2011-01-23 12:30:00 <ArtForz> doesnt matter if it's bruteforcable either
 789 2011-01-23 12:30:02 <btcex> and you can find it all?
 790 2011-01-23 12:30:04 <lfm> yes 32 byte hash
 791 2011-01-23 12:30:05 <sipa> no
 792 2011-01-23 12:30:11 <sipa> i'm referring to real blocks
 793 2011-01-23 12:30:14 <sipa> they are known
 794 2011-01-23 12:30:38 <lfm> sipa future blocks not known except for leading bytes of zeros
 795 2011-01-23 12:30:53 <sipa> yes, maybe i'm not understanding what it's all about :)
 796 2011-01-23 12:31:09 <btcex> sipa: real blocks are already "played", casino will use for result block which contain bet
 797 2011-01-23 12:31:12 <ArtForz> except whoever mines the block knows its hash before he broadcasts it
 798 2011-01-23 12:31:24 <btcex> lfm: yes
 799 2011-01-23 12:32:04 <btcex> ArtForz: max bet is less whan 50 BTC
 800 2011-01-23 12:32:21 <btcex> it makes no sense
 801 2011-01-23 12:32:34 <btcex> hm...
 802 2011-01-23 12:32:40 <btcex> no, you right
 803 2011-01-23 12:33:00 <btcex> hopefully that will not happen
 804 2011-01-23 12:33:02 <btcex> :3
 805 2011-01-23 12:33:37 <lfm> good plan, hope it wont happen
 806 2011-01-23 12:33:56 <btcex> My scheme is subject to double spending
 807 2011-01-23 12:34:01 <btcex> :(
 808 2011-01-23 12:34:37 <btcex> if anybody get result of generation it can double spend bet coin?
 809 2011-01-23 12:34:59 <btcex> faster when generated block distributed over network?
 810 2011-01-23 12:35:04 <btcex> or not?
 811 2011-01-23 12:35:18 <btcex> oh, not
 812 2011-01-23 12:36:06 <btcex> I got confused, it is real scheme, what allows me to get rich! !111
 813 2011-01-23 12:36:46 <lfm> you look at block on bitcoinexplorer and "fist" 4 bytes of block hashes are always zeros
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 815 2011-01-23 12:37:28 <sipa> so, i hope he doesn't use just those
 816 2011-01-23 12:38:04 <lfm> you look at blocks in hexh dump of blk0001.dat and "first" 4 bytes of block hashes are nonzero and last 4 bytes are zero
 817 2011-01-23 12:38:15 <btcex> lfm: again: for lottery result I use sha256( block hash )
 818 2011-01-23 12:38:43 <Keefe> what's the current difficulty of the testnet?
 819 2011-01-23 12:38:49 <lfm> bt so you ignore block hash and txn hash is quite predictable
 820 2011-01-23 12:39:04 <sipa> he doesn't ignore it
 821 2011-01-23 12:39:05 <lfm> keef 386 or something
 822 2011-01-23 12:39:18 <btcex> lfm: why I ignore it?
 823 2011-01-23 12:39:24 <lfm> if its always zero its ignored +0 is ignored
 824 2011-01-23 12:39:36 <sipa> he doesn't just use the first 32 bits
 825 2011-01-23 12:39:38 <sipa> i think?
 826 2011-01-23 12:39:42 <btcex> txid can be setted by player directly, as i know
 827 2011-01-23 12:39:43 <sipa> or last
 828 2011-01-23 12:40:51 <btcex> sha256( '000000000002868a3521c9787c4837f7571d3d14d89007749fa2d265878c6c62' )
 829 2011-01-23 12:40:54 <btcex> last block
 830 2011-01-23 12:41:01 <btcex> result is: "e968d507358fe18e7db6e948c761c2bc36ab20b6fb5a8959ac300b36e506d15d"
 831 2011-01-23 12:41:19 <sipa> you did lose some entropy, because part of the input is known
 832 2011-01-23 12:41:26 <sipa> but it's still more than enough
 833 2011-01-23 12:41:26 <btcex> first bytes x = e968 y = d507
 834 2011-01-23 12:41:36 <lfm> btcex I thot you said 4 bytesÉ
 835 2011-01-23 12:41:51 <sipa> e968d507 = 4 bytes
 836 2011-01-23 12:41:57 <btcex> sipa: yes,
 837 2011-01-23 12:42:13 <lfm> ok thats different
 838 2011-01-23 12:42:22 <btcex> <sipa> you did lose some entropy, because part of the input is known
 839 2011-01-23 12:42:23 <btcex> yes
 840 2011-01-23 12:42:37 <btcex> but difficulty protect casino
 841 2011-01-23 12:42:43 <samfisher> does anyone knows how the british betting odds system works?
 842 2011-01-23 12:42:47 <btcex> for 10 minutes of hashing
 843 2011-01-23 12:42:54 <btcex> of generating
 844 2011-01-23 12:43:05 <lfm> btcex 10 min??
 845 2011-01-23 12:43:08 <samfisher> if odds are 10/11 it means for each 11 pounds i bet, I get 10?
 846 2011-01-23 12:43:22 <samfisher> ori I get 11+10=21?
 847 2011-01-23 12:43:24 <btcex> lfm: block generated each 10 min?
 848 2011-01-23 12:43:58 <lfm> btcex ok on average ya
 849 2011-01-23 12:44:14 <lfm> Average interval since last diff change: 8.46 min
 850 2011-01-23 12:44:22 <lfm> Average interval last 144 blocks: 8.18 min
 851 2011-01-23 12:44:24 <btcex> we can also add fixed salt
 852 2011-01-23 12:44:48 <btcex> then generate blocks specifically for the casino would not be profitable
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 854 2011-01-23 12:45:00 <sipa> if you don't want to lose the entropy, do the block hash yourself, but including a salt
 855 2011-01-23 12:45:23 <sipa> so sha256(salt + blockheader) instead of sha256(sha256(blockheader))
 856 2011-01-23 12:45:36 <btcex> yes
 857 2011-01-23 12:45:49 <sipa> but it will hardly gain you anything
 858 2011-01-23 12:45:51 <btcex> sha256(salt + blockheader + txid) for random results for various users
 859 2011-01-23 12:46:02 <sipa> yes
 860 2011-01-23 12:46:15 <ArtForz> so now the casino can try a bunch of salts until it finds a "losing" one...
 861 2011-01-23 12:46:39 <sipa> the salt should be fixed and known
 862 2011-01-23 12:47:23 <btcex> and on next week bitcoind patch adds our salt to generator :)
 863 2011-01-23 12:47:48 <lfm> um no
 864 2011-01-23 12:48:53 <sipa> ArtForz: there was some env variable you could set to make the opencl compiler dump IL or CAL code?
 865 2011-01-23 12:48:58 <ArtForz> yep
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 867 2011-01-23 12:49:32 <ArtForz> GPU_DUMP_DEVICE_KERNEL=3
 868 2011-01-23 12:49:32 <sipa> google doesn't seem to know
 869 2011-01-23 12:49:59 <sipa> aha
 870 2011-01-23 12:50:03 <sipa> thanks
 871 2011-01-23 12:50:19 <ArtForz> iirc 1 gives .il, 2 .isa and 3 both
 872 2011-01-23 12:51:14 <sipa> and you can include those in a C program that uses CAL, to run it directly?
 873 2011-01-23 12:51:45 <ArtForz> not easily
 874 2011-01-23 12:52:08 <ArtForz> OpenCL does some weird stuff with a constant buffer to hand additional params to kernel
 875 2011-01-23 12:52:08 <sipa> what's hard?
 876 2011-01-23 12:52:14 <sipa> hmm
 877 2011-01-23 12:54:18 <ArtForz> easier to just write a new kernel in IL
 878 2011-01-23 12:54:33 <btcex> anyone can translate text to me on simple english? "You or someone could modify something so to a winner, place a bet on BitBet and and then win the bet? If not, can you please prove how?"
 879 2011-01-23 12:54:46 <btcex> text for me
 880 2011-01-23 12:55:33 <btcex> It is about what?
 881 2011-01-23 12:56:46 <btcex> Sorry, I just do not know very well the language and for some reason this phrase does not understand at all.
 882 2011-01-23 12:57:48 <Pegasus-Rider> Hey btcex
 883 2011-01-23 12:57:53 <btcex> hi!
 884 2011-01-23 12:58:06 <Pegasus-Rider> What language would you need?
 885 2011-01-23 12:58:10 <Pegasus-Rider> С русского?
 886 2011-01-23 12:58:12 <btcex> english :))
 887 2011-01-23 12:58:19 <btcex> phrase: "You or someone could modify something so to a winner, place a bet on BitBet and and then win the bet? If not, can you please prove how?"
 888 2011-01-23 12:58:27 <Pegasus-Rider> Скажи по-русски
 889 2011-01-23 12:58:34 <Pegasus-Rider> Тут неоднозначная формулировка
 890 2011-01-23 12:58:51 <btcex> вот эту фразу я не могу перевести, в кавычках. // I can not understand phrase in quotes
 891 2011-01-23 12:58:55 <Pegasus-Rider> Ага
 892 2011-01-23 12:59:03 <btcex> It is not english?
 893 2011-01-23 12:59:17 <btcex> it is about probiwon.com
 894 2011-01-23 13:00:13 <Pegasus-Rider> Вы или кто-либо может изменить что-то (?) [выигравшему], сделать ставку на Bitbet и выиграть
 895 2011-01-23 13:00:27 <Pegasus-Rider> В противном случае ... [надо что-то доказать]
 896 2011-01-23 13:03:01 <Pegasus-Rider> Да, кстати, можно уточнить на счёт перевода?
 897 2011-01-23 13:04:12 <necrodearia> woo, Russian
 898 2011-01-23 13:04:55 <btcex> Pegasus-Rider: hmm.. BitBet? I dont related to bitbet
 899 2011-01-23 13:05:01 <btcex> ok, thx
 900 2011-01-23 13:05:04 <btcex> Pegasus-Rider: а что с переводом?
 901 2011-01-23 13:05:45 <samfisher> btcex: i send you the message
 902 2011-01-23 13:06:27 <btcex> samfisher: ok
 903 2011-01-23 13:06:34 <samfisher> btcex: priv?
 904 2011-01-23 13:07:00 <btcex> samfisher: ?
 905 2011-01-23 13:07:07 <samfisher> private messaging
 906 2011-01-23 13:07:18 <samfisher> in the irc channel
 907 2011-01-23 13:08:26 <btcex> samfisher: no i don't receive it
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 912 2011-01-23 13:26:50 <Pegasus-Rider> С банковским
 913 2011-01-23 13:27:00 <Pegasus-Rider> жаль что не успел
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 917 2011-01-23 14:07:04 <luke-jr> so if someone might sell me a HD 5970 for $360, should I take it? :P
 918 2011-01-23 14:07:51 <Pegasus-Rider> Yup
 919 2011-01-23 14:08:05 <hacim> assuming its working
 920 2011-01-23 14:25:21 <sipa> ;;bc,stats
 921 2011-01-23 14:25:23 <gribble> Current Blocks: 104173 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 658 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 21 hours, 23 minutes, and 58 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 21755.59103618
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 924 2011-01-23 14:37:22 <edcba> http://www.botchco.com/agd5f/?p=50
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 926 2011-01-23 14:42:43 <davout> howdy
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 930 2011-01-23 15:01:19 <Kiba> hello
 931 2011-01-23 15:01:25 * Kiba just woke up
 932 2011-01-23 15:02:01 <hacim> good morning
 933 2011-01-23 15:02:51 <Kiba> nothing like sleep to help you learn
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 935 2011-01-23 15:13:08 <molecular> my 5970 doesn't show up in "lspci -nn". what might I be doing wrong?
 936 2011-01-23 15:14:53 <Kiba> ah
 937 2011-01-23 15:15:43 <Kiba> 19...and I am introduced and get to an early adopter of a new cryptocurrency
 938 2011-01-23 15:18:16 <ducki2p> dont tell your parents!
 939 2011-01-23 15:21:42 <Kiba> mine is an authoritian household
 940 2011-01-23 15:22:04 <Kiba> can you imagine the terror that my parents would feel if they knew that I was engaging in such an subversive activity?
 941 2011-01-23 15:23:44 <sipa> molecular: is it powered sufficiently?
 942 2011-01-23 15:24:17 <molecular> that's what I'm trying to find out
 943 2011-01-23 15:24:28 <molecular> there's a connector, a 6-pin and one 8-pin
 944 2011-01-23 15:24:32 <sipa> yes
 945 2011-01-23 15:24:36 <sipa> are they both connected?
 946 2011-01-23 15:24:39 <molecular> connected either one of them
 947 2011-01-23 15:24:41 <molecular> ah!
 948 2011-01-23 15:24:44 <molecular> it need both??
 949 2011-01-23 15:24:46 <sipa> yes
 950 2011-01-23 15:24:48 <molecular> ok
 951 2011-01-23 15:24:49 <molecular> will try
 952 2011-01-23 15:24:57 <sipa> 75W from the 6-pin one, 150W from the 8-pin one
 953 2011-01-23 15:25:07 <sipa> + 75W from the PCIe slot
 954 2011-01-23 15:25:11 <molecular> ohoh
 955 2011-01-23 15:25:18 <molecular> connected both
 956 2011-01-23 15:25:25 <molecular> now the fan doesn't spin at all on boot
 957 2011-01-23 15:25:29 <sipa> that's normal
 958 2011-01-23 15:25:33 <molecular> did I just fry it?
 959 2011-01-23 15:25:34 <molecular> aha
 960 2011-01-23 15:25:45 <molecular> but the fan did make hellish noise with just one connector in place...
 961 2011-01-23 15:25:50 <sipa> yes, same here
 962 2011-01-23 15:25:55 <molecular> interesting
 963 2011-01-23 15:26:09 <molecular> YEAH! signal on DVI!!!
 964 2011-01-23 15:26:15 <molecular> sipa, thanks a LOT
 965 2011-01-23 15:26:18 <sipa> yw
 966 2011-01-23 15:26:32 <molecular> hehehe
 967 2011-01-23 15:26:34 * molecular dances
 968 2011-01-23 15:27:07 <molecular> does "loading cypress microcode" ring a bell? it hangs there now
 969 2011-01-23 15:27:44 <sipa> that doesn't sound too good
 970 2011-01-23 15:27:57 <sipa> are you using that card as primary video?
 971 2011-01-23 15:28:03 <molecular> no, and weirdly enough, it just switched to framebuffer console while hanging there
 972 2011-01-23 15:28:25 <molecular> I have driver in the kernel.
 973 2011-01-23 15:28:29 <molecular> oh, it continues now
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 976 2011-01-23 16:01:26 <rlifchitz> ;;bc,stats
 977 2011-01-23 16:01:27 <gribble> Current Blocks: 104185 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 646 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 20 hours, 14 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 21761.87435080
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 979 2011-01-23 16:12:26 <molecular> sipa: thanks again for your help, have X now
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 982 2011-01-23 16:28:14 <HackTheGibson> sup
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 985 2011-01-23 16:47:23 <HackTheGibson> niekie:
 986 2011-01-23 16:47:42 <HackTheGibson> tcatm:
 987 2011-01-23 16:47:44 <HackTheGibson> UukGoblin:
 988 2011-01-23 16:47:47 <HackTheGibson> nathan7:
 989 2011-01-23 16:47:52 <HackTheGibson> nameless|:
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 991 2011-01-23 17:00:06 <newsham> look at btc go on the mtgox
 992 2011-01-23 17:00:09 <newsham> insanity
 993 2011-01-23 17:00:35 altamic has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
 994 2011-01-23 17:01:43 <HackTheGibson> newsham: oh yeah?
 995 2011-01-23 17:05:10 <newsham> .4205/.439 today
 996 2011-01-23 17:05:29 <newsham> was .25 a month ago
 997 2011-01-23 17:05:41 <HackTheGibson> newsham: who's buying?
 998 2011-01-23 17:06:11 <newsham> mtgox oesnt provide that info :)
 999 2011-01-23 17:06:21 <HackTheGibson> newsham: so how are the jobs at google?
1000 2011-01-23 17:07:10 <newsham> i dont work at google.
1001 2011-01-23 17:07:18 <HackTheGibson> I know
1002 2011-01-23 17:07:20 <HackTheGibson> just sayin
1003 2011-01-23 17:07:24 <HackTheGibson> I heard it waas nice
1004 2011-01-23 17:07:26 <HackTheGibson> and warm there and stuff
1005 2011-01-23 17:07:43 <newsham> its nice and warm here (more so than @ goog :)
1006 2011-01-23 17:07:54 <HackTheGibson> here in cambrige?
1007 2011-01-23 17:08:04 <newsham> here in 96706
1008 2011-01-23 17:08:41 <HackTheGibson> :)
1009 2011-01-23 17:09:05 <lfm> well it should be warm there!
1010 2011-01-23 17:09:12 <HackTheGibson> oh yes?
1011 2011-01-23 17:09:25 <newsham> i'm sorry you have to be in cambridge, but at least its not waltham.
1012 2011-01-23 17:09:38 <HackTheGibson> what is in waltham?
1013 2011-01-23 17:10:05 HackTheGibson is now known as wargames
1014 2011-01-23 17:10:05 <newsham> not a lot
1015 2011-01-23 17:10:08 <wargames> so I heard
1016 2011-01-23 17:10:39 <wargames> sounds drivers heh
1017 2011-01-23 17:10:44 <wargames> funny
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1019 2011-01-23 17:13:37 <newsham> why does mtgox allow "dark pools"? and whats the point of publishing bid/ask queues if its incomplete?
1020 2011-01-23 17:15:30 <wargames> so drug dealers can use bitcoin!
1021 2011-01-23 17:15:32 <wargames> yaaaaaaaay
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1027 2011-01-23 17:35:24 <Cusipzzz> because in an illiquid market, people do not want to post large bids/offers for fear it will influence others (i.e. a big big shows that someone wants a lot of btc, so potential sellers might move their offers away in hopes the big buyer will up his price).
1028 2011-01-23 17:37:16 Kiba has joined
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1030 2011-01-23 17:40:41 <Kiba> hello folks
1031 2011-01-23 17:41:18 <Cusipzzz> hola
1032 2011-01-23 17:42:05 <Jose> Hi everyone. Question: What if factorization becomes practical and someone can get private keys form public keys ?
1033 2011-01-23 17:42:47 <Cusipzzz> then there are much better targets for your quantum factorer than the bitcoin network
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1035 2011-01-23 17:43:35 <Jose> It would colapse right?
1036 2011-01-23 17:43:48 <Cusipzzz> and you'd likely collect 1million USD for solving P=NP :)
1037 2011-01-23 17:44:28 <Jose> I think a lot more ;)
1038 2011-01-23 17:44:28 <edcba> bitcoin will collapse as well as credit cards :)
1039 2011-01-23 17:45:19 <Cusipzzz> and bank xfers, and ssl, and RSA...that'd be pretty low on my list of worries
1040 2011-01-23 17:45:43 <Kiba> we briefly reached 100
1041 2011-01-23 17:45:46 <Kiba> today
1042 2011-01-23 17:46:31 <Jose> But even as impractical. Someone can dedicate enough CPU to breake a single public key right? So how is my money protected from than singular attack ?
1043 2011-01-23 17:47:05 <Cusipzzz> Jose: do you understand the math behind it? if so, that person has a billion other better targets for their super factorization
1044 2011-01-23 17:49:31 <Jose> Do I have to have several keys pairs so I keep no more than a certain amount of money in each public key?
1045 2011-01-23 17:50:29 <Cusipzzz> if you are worried, keep your coins spread betweenwallets
1046 2011-01-23 17:52:39 <Jose> Ok. Thanks Cusipzzz.
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1049 2011-01-23 17:55:03 <slush1> Diablo-D3: hi
1050 2011-01-23 17:55:37 <slush1> Diablo-D3: I'm trying your miner under linux first time. I installed drivers and SDK 2.1. I see both GPUs with aticonfig, but miner see only one core
1051 2011-01-23 17:56:02 <sipa> DISPLAY=:0
1052 2011-01-23 17:56:23 <sipa> that worked for me
1053 2011-01-23 17:56:43 <Diablo-D3> yeah what sipa said
1054 2011-01-23 17:56:47 <Diablo-D3> some distros are doing stupid shit
1055 2011-01-23 17:57:08 <molecular> hey there. I'm having similar troubles. pyopencl only sees my cpu.
1056 2011-01-23 17:57:18 <slush1> 'cant connect to X11 windows server using :0'
1057 2011-01-23 17:57:19 <molecular> I'm using stream-sdk 2.3... shouldn't I?
1058 2011-01-23 17:57:42 <Diablo-D3> molecular: what gpu?
1059 2011-01-23 17:57:46 <molecular> 5970
1060 2011-01-23 17:57:57 <Diablo-D3> well, you SHOULD be using 2.1, but thats not the cause
1061 2011-01-23 17:58:10 <sipa> slush1: what does echo $DISPLAY tell you, slush?
1062 2011-01-23 17:58:14 <Diablo-D3> your X is running with fglrx, isnt it? and you have crossfire force disabled in xorg.conf?
1063 2011-01-23 17:58:52 <slush1> Diablo-D3: if you ask me, yes, fglrx (it's proprietary driver, right?). And crossfire disabled (say aticonfig)
1064 2011-01-23 17:59:09 <Diablo-D3> no Im asking molecular
1065 2011-01-23 17:59:22 <slush1> sipa: display is what I set, :0
1066 2011-01-23 17:59:34 <molecular> uh, oh man... I don't even have xorg.conf. It's all done via HAL. haven't done this stuff in a while...
1067 2011-01-23 17:59:38 <molecular> how can I check this?
1068 2011-01-23 17:59:42 <sipa> before you change it, o mean
1069 2011-01-23 18:00:07 <Diablo-D3> eh, shit, whats the aticonfig command? aticonfig --initial -f?
1070 2011-01-23 18:00:09 * Diablo-D3 forgets
1071 2011-01-23 18:00:26 <slush1> what '-f' does? I used only --initial
1072 2011-01-23 18:00:31 <Diablo-D3> force
1073 2011-01-23 18:00:42 <sipa> aticonfig -f --initial --adapter=all
1074 2011-01-23 18:00:58 <Diablo-D3> molecular: run what sipa said and restart X
1075 2011-01-23 18:01:03 <slush1> oh I used adapter=all too, sorry
1076 2011-01-23 18:01:17 <sipa> you should
1077 2011-01-23 18:01:22 <molecular> ok
1078 2011-01-23 18:01:25 <molecular> fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0@4:0:1) found
1079 2011-01-23 18:01:30 <molecular> now I can look in xorg.conf...
1080 2011-01-23 18:01:53 <Diablo-D3> molecular: I think thats normal... there isnt such a Device
1081 2011-01-23 18:02:03 <sipa> slush1: what is the display variable, in a new xterm?
1082 2011-01-23 18:02:19 <slush1> wait, I'm restarting X right now
1083 2011-01-23 18:02:28 <slush1> it is slow as hell from USB stick :)
1084 2011-01-23 18:02:35 <sipa> hehe
1085 2011-01-23 18:03:20 <Diablo-D3> molecular: the problem with crossfire is, fglrx doesnt support native multi-gpu non-crossfire mode with crossfire on...
1086 2011-01-23 18:03:23 <molecular> 04:00.1 Audio device [0403]: ATI Technologies Inc Device [1002:aa50]
1087 2011-01-23 18:03:27 <molecular> audio device???
1088 2011-01-23 18:03:32 <Diablo-D3> molecular: and crossfire completely breaks opencl
1089 2011-01-23 18:03:36 <Diablo-D3> molecular: hdmi audio out
1090 2011-01-23 18:03:38 <Diablo-D3> thats normal
1091 2011-01-23 18:03:42 <molecular> ah, ok
1092 2011-01-23 18:04:08 <molecular> (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0@4:0:1) found <-- it's trying the audio-device??
1093 2011-01-23 18:04:16 <Diablo-D3> no, :1 is your gpu
1094 2011-01-23 18:04:18 <slush1> well, after restarting X, I have display=:0.0 which looks OK for me
1095 2011-01-23 18:04:22 <Diablo-D3> oh wait
1096 2011-01-23 18:04:24 <Diablo-D3> misread
1097 2011-01-23 18:04:30 <Diablo-D3> molecular: yeah, just ignore the warning
1098 2011-01-23 18:04:37 <Diablo-D3> slush1: which is also wrong
1099 2011-01-23 18:04:38 <sipa> slush1: now change it to :0
1100 2011-01-23 18:04:40 <Diablo-D3> it needs to be :0
1101 2011-01-23 18:05:13 <slush1> wow
1102 2011-01-23 18:05:17 <slush1> works!!!
1103 2011-01-23 18:06:14 <Diablo-D3> molecular: btw, this applies to you too, if your DISPLAY is :0.0 and not :0, export DISPLAY=:0 before running miners like mine
1104 2011-01-23 18:06:21 <molecular> yeah, got that one
1105 2011-01-23 18:06:41 <Diablo-D3> molecular: with m0's python miner, you run one for each gpu, and use :0.0, :0.1, etc
1106 2011-01-23 18:07:00 <molecular> ah
1107 2011-01-23 18:07:10 <molecular> I'd love to see one for now ;)
1108 2011-01-23 18:07:15 <sipa> or -d 0, -d 1
1109 2011-01-23 18:07:22 <Diablo-D3> sipa: does that work now?
1110 2011-01-23 18:07:28 <Diablo-D3> I dont know why he just doesnt implement shit like I do
1111 2011-01-23 18:07:32 <Diablo-D3> makes it so much saner
1112 2011-01-23 18:07:56 <molecular> when booting up the machine, it says "DRM: Loading CYPRESS Microcode" for about 1 minute or so
1113 2011-01-23 18:08:01 <molecular> is that normal?
1114 2011-01-23 18:08:23 <ArtForz> nope
1115 2011-01-23 18:08:26 <Diablo-D3> molecular: a whole minute? no. but as long as it works, you should be fine
1116 2011-01-23 18:08:35 <Diablo-D3> wait, it shouldnt say that at all
1117 2011-01-23 18:08:45 <Diablo-D3> are you loading the radeon kernel module by accident?
1118 2011-01-23 18:08:51 <molecular> well, it works in the sense that I have an X display... but no opencl so far
1119 2011-01-23 18:09:06 <molecular> shouldnt I load the radeon kernel module?
1120 2011-01-23 18:09:08 <Diablo-D3> lsmod should not list radeon
1121 2011-01-23 18:09:13 <sipa> no
1122 2011-01-23 18:09:13 <Diablo-D3> molecular: no
1123 2011-01-23 18:09:16 <molecular> oh
1124 2011-01-23 18:09:17 <Diablo-D3> you should use the fglrx module
1125 2011-01-23 18:09:27 <molecular> which is not in the kernel?
1126 2011-01-23 18:09:48 <sipa> but aticonfig will generate a xorg which uses fglrx, no?
1127 2011-01-23 18:10:08 <sipa> no, its proprietsry
1128 2011-01-23 18:10:23 <sipa> .correctSpelling()
1129 2011-01-23 18:10:28 <molecular> do I want DRM support in my kernel?
1130 2011-01-23 18:10:43 <Pegasus-Rider> You would if you're into direct rendering
1131 2011-01-23 18:10:54 <molecular> does it hurt to have it?
1132 2011-01-23 18:11:04 <Pegasus-Rider> Nae
1133 2011-01-23 18:11:07 * molecular is removing "radeon" from his kernel
1134 2011-01-23 18:11:23 <molecular> had this "built in", not even as module
1135 2011-01-23 18:12:01 * sipa used to build his own machine-specific custom kernels too
1136 2011-01-23 18:16:12 * molecular now has his cpu and 2 "cypress" devices reported by pyopencl
1137 2011-01-23 18:17:05 <molecular> OH YEAH!
1138 2011-01-23 18:17:32 <molecular> thank you all, it's mining @220mhash/s... now lets start the second one ;)
1139 2011-01-23 18:22:00 <slush1> is --pplib-cmd 'set fanspeed xxx xxx' common method to control fan?
1140 2011-01-23 18:22:04 <slush1> Does not work for me
1141 2011-01-23 18:24:07 <molecular> Diablo-D3, I have 2 x displays .0 and .1. Once I start the second poclbm.py with DISPLAY=:0.1 the rate of the first one drops to about half (105mhash/s), hmm..
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1143 2011-01-23 18:27:41 <Diablo-D3> molecular: your crossfire doesnt sound off
1144 2011-01-23 18:28:01 <Diablo-D3> maybe they fixed it
1145 2011-01-23 18:28:05 <Diablo-D3> try using :0 on both
1146 2011-01-23 18:28:10 <Diablo-D3> and use -d 0 and -d 1
1147 2011-01-23 18:28:14 <Diablo-D3> or just use my miner
1148 2011-01-23 18:29:19 <molecular> weirdly enough: before my last reboot I had only one X display and 2 cypress devices shown by pyopencl. now it's 2 display and one cypress device shown
1149 2011-01-23 18:29:34 <molecular> -d 1 wont work, that's my cpu
1150 2011-01-23 18:29:38 <Diablo-D3> -d 2?
1151 2011-01-23 18:29:49 <Diablo-D3> it still seems crossfire is on
1152 2011-01-23 18:29:56 <Diablo-D3> if its on, you wont see multiple gpus
1153 2011-01-23 18:30:01 <molecular> ok, how can I force it off? in xorg.conf?
1154 2011-01-23 18:30:08 <Diablo-D3> yes
1155 2011-01-23 18:30:10 <Diablo-D3> using that command
1156 2011-01-23 18:30:13 <molecular> I used -f with ati-config
1157 2011-01-23 18:30:19 <Diablo-D3> [12:55:51] <sipa> aticonfig -f --initial --adapter=all
1158 2011-01-23 18:30:43 <slush1> ok, fan control works for first card now. Any chance to control also second fan?
1159 2011-01-23 18:30:55 <molecular> after doing that (just did), should it say something about crossfire in xorg.conf?
1160 2011-01-23 18:33:11 <Diablo-D3> molecular: no, it should list two devices
1161 2011-01-23 18:33:19 <molecular> yeah, it does
1162 2011-01-23 18:34:15 <Diablo-D3> aticonfig --lsch should list nothing
1163 2011-01-23 18:34:30 <molecular> "No CrossFire chains defined"
1164 2011-01-23 18:34:35 <Diablo-D3> exactly
1165 2011-01-23 18:34:55 <Diablo-D3> for my miner, DISPLAY=:0 ./DiabloMiner-Linux.sh should list two GPUs
1166 2011-01-23 18:35:11 <molecular> so I start the first miner: "DISPLAY=:0.0 python poclbm.py ..."
1167 2011-01-23 18:35:22 <molecular> where's your miner's git or soure?
1168 2011-01-23 18:35:28 <Diablo-D3> see the thread
1169 2011-01-23 18:35:35 <molecular> ok looking
1170 2011-01-23 18:35:40 <Diablo-D3> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1721
1171 2011-01-23 18:36:11 <slush1> any idea why 'set fanspeed 0' works and 'set fanspeed 1' not?
1172 2011-01-23 18:36:14 <Diablo-D3> but with poclbm, DISPLAY=:0 poclbm -d 0 and then -d1 might work better
1173 2011-01-23 18:36:15 <slush1> also 'get fanspeed'
1174 2011-01-23 18:37:01 <molecular> ups, no java ;|
1175 2011-01-23 18:37:10 <Diablo-D3> install java =P
1176 2011-01-23 18:37:33 <Diablo-D3> if you're on debian, apt-get install openjdk-6-jre
1177 2011-01-23 18:37:49 <molecular> gentoo, "emerge sun-jdk" running
1178 2011-01-23 18:37:56 <ArtForz> http://pastebin.com/EPs5CMaV
1179 2011-01-23 18:38:16 <Diablo-D3> OH GOD WHAT AM I LOOKING AT
1180 2011-01-23 18:38:29 <ArtForz> 556Mh/s on a stock 5970
1181 2011-01-23 18:38:41 <molecular> uh, theres a package called "diablo-jre-bin", hehe, should I use that?
1182 2011-01-23 18:39:06 <Diablo-D3> molecular: ... I... uh... what?
1183 2011-01-23 18:39:30 <nanotube> ArtForz: looks like an opencl miner. is that yours? :)
1184 2011-01-23 18:39:33 <ArtForz> yep
1185 2011-01-23 18:39:35 <molecular> Diablo-D3, just a joke, there seems to be a jvm named after you
1186 2011-01-23 18:39:45 <ArtForz> thats my OCL miner kernel
1187 2011-01-23 18:39:47 <Diablo-D3> what the fuck, fbsd named a jvm after me?!
1188 2011-01-23 18:39:56 <nanotube> ArtForz: cool. so... you're fossing your miner kernel? wow nice
1189 2011-01-23 18:40:21 <ArtForz> yup
1190 2011-01-23 18:40:36 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: wont work on 4xxx?
1191 2011-01-23 18:40:39 <ArtForz> nope
1192 2011-01-23 18:40:41 <ArtForz> 5xxx only
1193 2011-01-23 18:40:44 <Diablo-D3> why not?
1194 2011-01-23 18:40:58 <slush1> ArtForz: plz plz, how to control second fan in 2x5970 config?
1195 2011-01-23 18:41:03 <ArtForz> well, just define rotr the oldfashioned way and it should work on 4xxx
1196 2011-01-23 18:41:09 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: huhhhh
1197 2011-01-23 18:41:12 <slush1> ArtForz: --pplib-cmd works only for first card for me
1198 2011-01-23 18:41:14 <Diablo-D3> Ill try it later
1199 2011-01-23 18:41:27 <ArtForz> export DISPLAY=:0.1 before doing pplib-cmd 'set fanspeed 0 x'
1200 2011-01-23 18:41:32 <slush1> oh
1201 2011-01-23 18:41:43 <ArtForz> pplib-cmd is weird, it uses DISPLAY instead of --adapter
1202 2011-01-23 18:42:52 <ArtForz> the 0 inside the cmd is the # of the fan controller on the card (some old dual-gpu cards had 2...)
1203 2011-01-23 18:43:06 <slush1> still not work, silly
1204 2011-01-23 18:43:14 <ArtForz> weird
1205 2011-01-23 18:43:58 <ArtForz> urrr
1206 2011-01-23 18:44:00 <ArtForz> use 0.2
1207 2011-01-23 18:44:07 <ArtForz> 0.1 is 2nd GPU on 1st card
1208 2011-01-23 18:44:15 <slush1> greeaaat :-D
1209 2011-01-23 18:44:22 <slush1> works
1210 2011-01-23 18:45:23 <ArtForz> btw, yes, that kernel is ugly as hell, mainly because ATIs OCL compiler is braindead
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1212 2011-01-23 18:45:56 <ArtForz> I used to have a nice #defined round function, array for W, ...
1213 2011-01-23 18:46:51 <ArtForz> turns out manually calculating combined constants and moving semi-constant expression calculation out of the inner loop actually does something
1214 2011-01-23 18:50:02 <ArtForz> I fucking hate having to hold the compilers hand like this, but the damn thing is retarded
1215 2011-01-23 18:55:01 <molecular> Diablo-D3, "DISPLAY=:0 ./DiabloMiner-Linux.sh" doesn't list anything, it starts mining
1216 2011-01-23 18:55:29 <Diablo-D3> I find that hard to believe
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1218 2011-01-23 18:55:51 <Kiba> the forum feels a little slow today
1219 2011-01-23 18:55:53 <molecular> got it from here: http://adterrasperaspera.com/images/DiabloMiner.zip
1220 2011-01-23 18:56:08 <Diablo-D3> molecular: yeah, but if it doesnt list ANY devices, theres nothing to mine
1221 2011-01-23 18:56:35 <molecular> it says: "[1/24/11 3:49:30 AM] Started". that's it
1222 2011-01-23 18:56:44 * Kiba weees!
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1224 2011-01-23 18:57:03 <Diablo-D3> er shit
1225 2011-01-23 18:57:19 <fabianhjr> ?
1226 2011-01-23 18:57:19 <Diablo-D3> molecular: what does it say for mhash?
1227 2011-01-23 18:57:27 <Diablo-D3> it should read 0
1228 2011-01-23 18:57:28 <molecular> ah, I'm sorry
1229 2011-01-23 18:57:37 <molecular> it doesn't connect rpc
1230 2011-01-23 18:57:41 <molecular> wait...
1231 2011-01-23 18:58:06 <Diablo-D3> yes, you need to obviously have it connect to bitcoin
1232 2011-01-23 18:58:12 <Diablo-D3> -u -p etc etc
1233 2011-01-23 18:58:36 <Diablo-D3> [1/23/11 1:52:02 PM] Started
1234 2011-01-23 18:58:36 <Diablo-D3> [1/23/11 1:52:09 PM] Added ATI RV770 (#1) (10 CU, local work size of 64)
1235 2011-01-23 18:58:40 <Diablo-D3> it should say something like that
1236 2011-01-23 18:58:44 <molecular> [1/24/11 3:53:28 AM] Added Cypress (#1) (20 CU, local work size of 256)
1237 2011-01-23 18:58:53 <molecular> yeah, sorry, I screwed up the login
1238 2011-01-23 18:59:21 <molecular> does your miner work with mining.bitcoin.cz?
1239 2011-01-23 18:59:29 <molecular> [1/24/11 3:53:58 AM] Added Cypress (#2) (20 CU, local work size of 256)
1240 2011-01-23 18:59:30 <Diablo-D3> yes
1241 2011-01-23 18:59:30 <molecular> yay
1242 2011-01-23 18:59:33 <Diablo-D3> yay!
1243 2011-01-23 18:59:34 <Diablo-D3> it worked
1244 2011-01-23 18:59:49 <Diablo-D3> add -o mining.bitcoin.cz -r 8332
1245 2011-01-23 18:59:58 * Diablo-D3 uses his miner with the pool :D
1246 2011-01-23 19:00:05 <molecular> 377264 khash/sec
1247 2011-01-23 19:00:16 <Diablo-D3> that seems low
1248 2011-01-23 19:00:20 <molecular> yeah
1249 2011-01-23 19:00:28 <molecular> it just increased to about 490
1250 2011-01-23 19:00:29 <Diablo-D3> should be above 535
1251 2011-01-23 19:00:33 <molecular> hmmm
1252 2011-01-23 19:00:36 <Diablo-D3> give it time, it'll take a bit to normalize
1253 2011-01-23 19:00:41 <molecular> got a very slow cpu (via c7)
1254 2011-01-23 19:00:48 <molecular> but that should do no harm, right?
1255 2011-01-23 19:00:54 <Diablo-D3> it shouldnt... but... meh
1256 2011-01-23 19:00:56 <Diablo-D3> who knows
1257 2011-01-23 19:01:01 <Diablo-D3> Ive never tested it with anything that slow
1258 2011-01-23 19:01:11 <Diablo-D3> setting -f 1 would use very minimal cpu time
1259 2011-01-23 19:01:16 <molecular> well, running gcc on the cpu sure drop the rate to about half, so some cpu is involved
1260 2011-01-23 19:01:18 <Diablo-D3> but will also screw up the hash meter
1261 2011-01-23 19:01:43 <molecular> will the hash meter display too much or too low when using -f 1?
1262 2011-01-23 19:02:14 <molecular> it's pretty steady at 495 now
1263 2011-01-23 19:03:02 <molecular> hmm, my cpu load is 0.9x
1264 2011-01-23 19:03:19 <Diablo-D3> your cpu might be too slow
1265 2011-01-23 19:03:31 <molecular> trying -f 1
1266 2011-01-23 19:03:42 <Diablo-D3> -f 1 will cause the hash meter to be a little random
1267 2011-01-23 19:04:23 <molecular> hmm, I just remember when trying to get the card to work at all, I set something in the BIOS "PCIe force gen1"...
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1269 2011-01-23 19:05:03 * Kiba reads Plato's Apology
1270 2011-01-23 19:08:11 <Diablo-D3> molecular: shouldnt be an issue
1271 2011-01-23 19:08:30 <Diablo-D3> you could even plug it into a x1 1.0 slot (with an adapter, of course) and it'd mine at full speed
1272 2011-01-23 19:08:38 <Diablo-D3> mining takes no bus bandwidth and no memory bandwidth
1273 2011-01-23 19:08:40 <Diablo-D3> its pure gpu rape
1274 2011-01-23 19:09:02 <molecular> it still seems something is holding the gpus back
1275 2011-01-23 19:09:29 <ArtForz> using corect sdk version?
1276 2011-01-23 19:09:42 <molecular> no, probably not. using 2.3
1277 2011-01-23 19:10:44 <molecular> I only found ebuilds for 2.01, 2.2 and 2.3
1278 2011-01-23 19:10:52 <molecular> should I try making my own for 2.1 and check that out?
1279 2011-01-23 19:11:31 <ArtForz> try export GPU_USE_SYNC_OBJECTS=1
1280 2011-01-23 19:11:48 <molecular> before running the miner?
1281 2011-01-23 19:11:51 <ArtForz> yep
1282 2011-01-23 19:12:16 <ArtForz> that should fix multiGPU slowdown and high CPU use for sdk 2.3
1283 2011-01-23 19:14:09 <molecular> hmm, that makes it even worse, cpu load now 1.88 hashspeed about the same, 490mhash/s
1284 2011-01-23 19:15:15 <ArtForz> hrrrm, guess you'll have to try 2.1
1285 2011-01-23 19:15:23 <molecular> yeah, I'll do that
1286 2011-01-23 19:16:01 <molecular> btw ArtForz: the miner-code you pasted... can I somehow use that with one of the miners?
1287 2011-01-23 19:16:12 <ArtForz> nope
1288 2011-01-23 19:16:27 <molecular> so that will need some integration-work to make it usable for joe-schmoe
1289 2011-01-23 19:16:31 <ArtForz> yep
1290 2011-01-23 19:16:35 <molecular> ok
1291 2011-01-23 19:16:48 <molecular> shouldn't be too hard, though, right?
1292 2011-01-23 19:16:54 <ArtForz> not really
1293 2011-01-23 19:17:18 <molecular> the main function is sha_dev_process, right?
1294 2011-01-23 19:17:24 <ArtForz> yup
1295 2011-01-23 19:17:35 <molecular> ah, well, it's the only one ;)
1296 2011-01-23 19:17:55 <ArtForz> main difference to diable/m0s miners, it trys 1024 nonces per kernel thread
1297 2011-01-23 19:18:24 <ArtForz> otherwise it's pretty similar, probably wants different byteswapping
1298 2011-01-23 19:19:48 <molecular> you expanded the sharound macro somehow?
1299 2011-01-23 19:19:57 <ArtForz> yep
1300 2011-01-23 19:19:58 <molecular> I mean, in m0s Bitcoin.cl I see this sharound(..) macro
1301 2011-01-23 19:20:08 <molecular> you didn't use a macro... why not?
1302 2011-01-23 19:20:30 <ArtForz> didn't feel like it
1303 2011-01-23 19:20:39 <ArtForz> well, actually used a script to expand the macro
1304 2011-01-23 19:20:42 <molecular> ok
1305 2011-01-23 19:20:44 <Diablo-D3> [02:06:40] <ArtForz> try export GPU_USE_SYNC_OBJECTS=1
1306 2011-01-23 19:20:51 <Diablo-D3> my miner's sh script already does that
1307 2011-01-23 19:20:56 <ArtForz> oh, k
1308 2011-01-23 19:20:57 <Diablo-D3> molecular: also, use 2.1
1309 2011-01-23 19:21:05 <Diablo-D3> I cant fix 2.2/2.3 being braindead
1310 2011-01-23 19:21:11 <Diablo-D3> I can only make it stop being such a cpu whore
1311 2011-01-23 19:21:39 * molecular will try 2.1
1312 2011-01-23 19:21:55 <Diablo-D3> that could also explain your speed loss
1313 2011-01-23 19:22:13 <molecular> why is the sdk "getting worse"... are they doing some restructuring?
1314 2011-01-23 19:22:16 <ArtForz> cty_a..h = a..h after first 3 rounds, ctx_a..h = intitial a..h after first block, merkle/ntime/nbits/nonce ... what it says
1315 2011-01-23 19:24:18 <molecular> I tried GPU_USE_SYNC_OBJECTS=0 (modified diablos .sh). doesn't seem to make it worse either.
1316 2011-01-23 19:24:27 <Diablo-D3> dude mine already does it
1317 2011-01-23 19:24:33 <molecular> =0
1318 2011-01-23 19:24:44 <molecular> removed the line from your script, just to see what would happen
1319 2011-01-23 19:24:44 <Diablo-D3> oh
1320 2011-01-23 19:24:52 <Diablo-D3> =0 makes it chew cpu time like no tommorow
1321 2011-01-23 19:24:59 <Diablo-D3> it will consume 100% of everything you have
1322 2011-01-23 19:25:01 <Diablo-D3> EVERYTHING
1323 2011-01-23 19:25:21 <molecular> it also does that with GPU_USE_SYNC_OBJECTS=1 here. weird... will switch sdk
1324 2011-01-23 19:25:25 <Diablo-D3> have a 8 socket 16 core 4ghz box?
1325 2011-01-23 19:25:28 <Diablo-D3> it will consume it all.
1326 2011-01-23 19:25:54 <Diablo-D3> molecular: oh, and uh, they may or may not have broken it for 10.12
1327 2011-01-23 19:26:13 <molecular> 10.12?
1328 2011-01-23 19:26:44 <ArtForz> oh, and yes, 2 of cty a..h are duplicates of words from ctx a..h (first 3 rounds only update 6 of 8 words)
1329 2011-01-23 19:27:13 <ArtForz> yet removing those and using ctx_... instead makes it slower
1330 2011-01-23 19:27:27 <ArtForz> guess it likes alignment better this way or something
1331 2011-01-23 19:27:48 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: ffffffff
1332 2011-01-23 19:27:58 <Diablo-D3> also whats with the output of a single item struct?
1333 2011-01-23 19:28:05 <Diablo-D3> molecular: catalyst 10.12
1334 2011-01-23 19:28:15 <ArtForz> leftover from older version, too lazy to change it
1335 2011-01-23 19:28:52 <Diablo-D3> you know
1336 2011-01-23 19:29:00 <Diablo-D3> I probably could molest this to work on mine
1337 2011-01-23 19:29:54 <ArtForz> yeah, shouldnt be too hard
1338 2011-01-23 19:33:58 <ArtForz> it's probably dog slow with > 64 localworksize (register usage)
1339 2011-01-23 19:35:18 <sipa> difficulty 1 corresponds to which target exactly?
1340 2011-01-23 19:35:36 <sipa> 0x00000000ffff000.... ?
1341 2011-01-23 19:35:36 <ArtForz> 0x00000000FFFF0000000000...
1342 2011-01-23 19:35:45 <sipa> ok, thanks :)
1343 2011-01-23 19:39:48 * Kiba shoves his pencils and pens into a soda container
1344 2011-01-23 19:40:04 <Kiba> freshly carved of course
1345 2011-01-23 19:41:14 <Diablo-D3> sipa: "32 bit"
1346 2011-01-23 19:42:46 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: okay Im confused
1347 2011-01-23 19:42:53 <Diablo-D3> why use the struct input?
1348 2011-01-23 19:43:20 <Diablo-D3> why all those extra arguments?
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1352 2011-01-23 19:54:34 <lyspooner> I'm stuck on 103,531 blocks...can someone help
1353 2011-01-23 19:55:27 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
1354 2011-01-23 19:55:27 <gribble> 104211
1355 2011-01-23 19:55:35 <sipa> stop and restart your client
1356 2011-01-23 19:56:03 <molecular> check how many connection your client has, if it's 0: restart it
1357 2011-01-23 19:56:08 <slush1> ArtForz: what the red light on the 5970 means?
1358 2011-01-23 19:56:21 <molecular> hair-dryer overload ;)
1359 2011-01-23 19:56:23 <slush1> I think it is something with voltage
1360 2011-01-23 19:56:41 <sipa> i used to see that red light when only one of both power connectors was attached
1361 2011-01-23 19:57:00 <lyspooner> 6 connections
1362 2011-01-23 19:57:02 <slush1> hmm, I see that when connect card to second PSU
1363 2011-01-23 19:57:15 <Diablo-D3> I thought the red light was for crossfire logo illumination
1364 2011-01-23 19:57:18 <slush1> but PSU itself works
1365 2011-01-23 19:57:53 <cosurgi> ;;bc,blocks
1366 2011-01-23 19:57:53 <gribble> 104211
1367 2011-01-23 19:57:59 <slush1> Diablo-D3: there is no crossfire logo on the card back :)
1368 2011-01-23 19:58:07 <molecular> lyspooner, these 6 connections might be disfunctional
1369 2011-01-23 19:58:13 <Diablo-D3> slush1: no, I thought it illuminated the logo on the bridge
1370 2011-01-23 19:58:15 <molecular> client doesn't detect this right away
1371 2011-01-23 19:58:21 <molecular> did your internet-connection cycle?
1372 2011-01-23 19:58:32 <cosurgi> ;;bc,calc 728889
1373 2011-01-23 19:58:32 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 728889 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 1 day, 6 hours, 10 minutes, and 43 seconds
1374 2011-01-23 19:58:35 <lyspooner> molecular something is wrong with my client, i fear.
1375 2011-01-23 19:58:45 <molecular> lyspooner, did you try a restart?
1376 2011-01-23 19:58:52 <lyspooner> yes
1377 2011-01-23 19:58:56 <molecular> there is also a logfile in ~/.bitcoin
1378 2011-01-23 19:59:04 <cosurgi> hmm.. my miners are unlucky: 2 days and 4 hours, and still nothing.
1379 2011-01-23 19:59:33 <molecular> cosurgi: you could use pooled mining for better averaging
1380 2011-01-23 20:00:06 <cosurgi> I did, for some time. Thought that too much time is wasted on network latency
1381 2011-01-23 20:00:07 <slush1> Diablo-D3: strange. fan connected to 12V works on second PSU, but the card not
1382 2011-01-23 20:00:54 <molecular> cosurgi: actually it should only loose some time when a new block is started, or am I wrong about that?
1383 2011-01-23 20:01:07 <Diablo-D3> slush1: all the ext connectors are plugged into the same psu right?
1384 2011-01-23 20:01:28 <slush1> all connectors of this card, yes
1385 2011-01-23 20:01:36 <slush1> second card has same psu as MB
1386 2011-01-23 20:01:45 <cosurgi> well, don't know :) But now, after 2 days, I just know, that right after I'll switch to pool, I'll find a block, or even two. I have to continue until I find a block, so that all those days aren't wasted.
1387 2011-01-23 20:02:08 <cosurgi> that's murphy's law :)
1388 2011-01-23 20:02:36 <slush1> cosurgi: that's murphy's law, but has nothing with probability :) There is no 'right' to block after some time
1389 2011-01-23 20:02:49 <cosurgi> and the cost of a sinking ship - must continue to avoid losing more.
1390 2011-01-23 20:02:54 <cosurgi> of course I know that :)
1391 2011-01-23 20:03:15 <fabianhjr> slush1: congratz! 20 ghashes/sec :D
1392 2011-01-23 20:03:21 <molecular> cosurgi, yeah, you just _cant_ switch right now
1393 2011-01-23 20:03:22 <molecular> but on the other hand: I once kept putting money into an old car...
1394 2011-01-23 20:03:30 <slush1> cosurgi: about wasted time - depends on your roundtrip to pool.
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1398 2011-01-23 20:03:49 <slush1> cosurgi: overhead is one roundtrip per one getwork (~5 sec)
1399 2011-01-23 20:03:58 <slush1> fabianhjr: thanks :)
1400 2011-01-23 20:04:20 <molecular> slush1, can you explain how exactly I'm loosing time?
1401 2011-01-23 20:04:32 <cosurgi> oh, I'm losing 5 sec, on each getwork?
1402 2011-01-23 20:04:45 <molecular> on each block-change?
1403 2011-01-23 20:05:36 <cosurgi> scanning whole 2^32 bits is 20sec on one GPU (and I have three now), so if it's upped to 25 seconds, well...
1404 2011-01-23 20:05:37 <slush1> cosurgi: no, you are wasting few milliseconds (=your roundtrip to server) each 5 seconds
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1406 2011-01-23 20:05:45 <cosurgi> ok.
1407 2011-01-23 20:06:07 <cosurgi> that's reasonable now
1408 2011-01-23 20:06:20 <molecular> slush1: but during these couple of msecs, my miner is still working, and most likely working on the correct block. no?
1409 2011-01-23 20:07:23 <Diablo-D3> btw, with my miner
1410 2011-01-23 20:07:32 <Diablo-D3> you have 3 different getworks per gpu
1411 2011-01-23 20:07:32 <molecular> cosurgi: with most miners you can set the getwork interval
1412 2011-01-23 20:08:02 <lyspooner> still have my block count off despite being connected
1413 2011-01-23 20:08:11 <sipa> Diablo-D3: if you find a block, does the miner keep working while submitting the result?
1414 2011-01-23 20:08:24 <Diablo-D3> sipa: it submits then tells all the others to flush
1415 2011-01-23 20:08:58 <Diablo-D3> so when the kernels exit they grab new ones
1416 2011-01-23 20:09:02 <molecular> lyspooner: do a "tail -f ~/.bitcoin/debug.log"... there should be some irc-logging and receiving of bytes and stuff
1417 2011-01-23 20:09:39 <slush1> btw those roundtrip problems will be definitely solved with new push protocol
1418 2011-01-23 20:09:41 <molecular> maybe there's some error you can see in the log
1419 2011-01-23 20:09:58 <slush1> because there will be only small latency on new bitcoin block
1420 2011-01-23 20:09:58 <lyspooner> molecular: how do i do that
1421 2011-01-23 20:09:59 <molecular> slush1: I've been wondering why it's pull anyways
1422 2011-01-23 20:10:08 <molecular> lyspooner, look at the log-file?
1423 2011-01-23 20:10:14 <lyspooner> aye
1424 2011-01-23 20:10:15 <slush1> molecular: because I'm using standard getwork protocol
1425 2011-01-23 20:10:29 <molecular> lyspooner, "tail -f ~/.bitcoin/debug.log"
1426 2011-01-23 20:10:36 <slush1> molecular: so pool is compatible with all standard miners...
1427 2011-01-23 20:10:44 <molecular> slush, so the client will have to understand the new push method...
1428 2011-01-23 20:10:52 <slush1> not neccessary
1429 2011-01-23 20:11:06 <slush1> There will be local proxy between push based and getwork based protocols
1430 2011-01-23 20:11:25 <sipa> lyspooner: you're using linux?
1431 2011-01-23 20:11:28 <molecular> slush1 ok. so I can run that proxy on my router and getwork from the worker to that proxy
1432 2011-01-23 20:11:31 <molecular> slush1 nice
1433 2011-01-23 20:11:33 <lyspooner> sipa, are you kidding
1434 2011-01-23 20:11:36 <lyspooner> no
1435 2011-01-23 20:11:44 <molecular> lyspooner, oh
1436 2011-01-23 20:11:51 <lyspooner> treat me like your grandma
1437 2011-01-23 20:11:53 <molecular> lyspooner, I assumed you were using linux
1438 2011-01-23 20:11:56 <slush1> molecular: exactly. And network latencies will be only <1ms
1439 2011-01-23 20:11:58 <lyspooner> it will make things go faster
1440 2011-01-23 20:11:59 <sipa> ok, that explains why you don't understand what molecular asked you :)
1441 2011-01-23 20:12:14 <molecular> slush1: that's cool. be sure to promote that on mining.bitcoin.cz when usable ;)
1442 2011-01-23 20:12:26 <sipa> lyspooner: have you tried closing and restarting the client?
1443 2011-01-23 20:12:27 <slush1> molecular: don't worry :)
1444 2011-01-23 20:12:30 <molecular> anyone know where the bitcoin log is on win?
1445 2011-01-23 20:12:34 <lyspooner> sipa: yes
1446 2011-01-23 20:12:43 <molecular> lyspooner, now I'm assuming windows, well, what do you use?
1447 2011-01-23 20:12:44 <sipa> and it doesn't go beyond a certain block?
1448 2011-01-23 20:12:51 <lyspooner> windows yeah
1449 2011-01-23 20:12:57 <lyspooner> stuck on 103k and change
1450 2011-01-23 20:13:08 <sipa> strange
1451 2011-01-23 20:13:10 <lyspooner> but i'm connected to the network
1452 2011-01-23 20:13:48 <molecular> lyspooner, you restarted the client and now you have how many connections?
1453 2011-01-23 20:14:05 <molecular> lyspooner, well it's windows... have you tried a reboot?
1454 2011-01-23 20:14:19 <lyspooner> molecular: restarted twice now, i have 6 connects.  i will try a reboot.  see you in like 40 minutes
1455 2011-01-23 20:14:27 <molecular> 40??
1456 2011-01-23 20:14:37 <lyspooner> it's windows ;)
1457 2011-01-23 20:14:40 <molecular> lol
1458 2011-01-23 20:14:51 <molecular> win7 on some old 483?
1459 2011-01-23 20:14:54 <molecular> 486?
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1462 2011-01-23 20:24:15 <slush1> ok, I solved red light on 5970 by adding fan to the second PSU
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1465 2011-01-23 20:24:55 <slush1> probably PSU is waiting on some current load to start working
1466 2011-01-23 20:25:10 <slush1> but system still freeze on startup
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1468 2011-01-23 20:25:35 <slush1> (with second PSU connected)
1469 2011-01-23 20:25:35 <lyspooner> molecular: 3 connections still 103,531 blocks after the reboot
1470 2011-01-23 20:26:20 <Kiba> anybody have any work for me?
1471 2011-01-23 20:26:26 <Kiba> I can write, program, and make arts
1472 2011-01-23 20:26:47 <slush1> Kiba:  can you make second PSU working for me? :)
1473 2011-01-23 20:26:54 <molecular> platform.get_info(cl.platform_info.VERSION) = 'OpenCL 1.0 ATI-Stream-v2.1 (145)', hashrate 535mhash/s
1474 2011-01-23 20:27:02 <Kiba> I don't think that's witin my skillet
1475 2011-01-23 20:27:05 <Kiba> s/skillet/skillset
1476 2011-01-23 20:27:06 <molecular> ArtForz, Diablo-D3: thanks for the hint to downgrade 2.3 -> 2.1
1477 2011-01-23 20:27:31 <molecular> now how can I overclock?
1478 2011-01-23 20:28:00 <slush1> molecular: aticonfig
1479 2011-01-23 20:28:24 <slush1> molecular: search 'aticonfig overclock' on google,, nice tutorials here
1480 2011-01-23 20:28:29 <molecular> slush, thx, will check it out. what is atiodcli ?
1481 2011-01-23 20:28:36 <lyspooner> any help on my windows bitcoin client?  where should i ask if not here?
1482 2011-01-23 20:28:43 <slush1> dont' have an idea ;)
1483 2011-01-23 20:28:45 <molecular> lyspooner, that was not 40 minutes ;)
1484 2011-01-23 20:28:54 <slush1> molecular: I tried aticonfig before an hour first time :))
1485 2011-01-23 20:29:26 <lyspooner> 40 dog minutes
1486 2011-01-23 20:29:32 <molecular> lyspooner, lol
1487 2011-01-23 20:29:42 <molecular> lyspooner, try to locate a file called debug.log
1488 2011-01-23 20:29:51 <molecular> it should be close to where your wallet.dat is
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1493 2011-01-23 20:37:25 <lyspooner> any idea what folder that is in?
1494 2011-01-23 20:37:36 <lyspooner> search tool isn't bringing up anything for either file
1495 2011-01-23 20:38:23 <molecular> lyspooner: http://www.bitcoin.org/faq says C:\Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\Bitcoin
1496 2011-01-23 20:38:41 <molecular> on xp and C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\Bitcoin on vista
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1499 2011-01-23 20:43:23 <lyspooner> ok, i have debug.log up
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1503 2011-01-23 20:44:34 <molecular> lyspooner, cool. now I don't know what to tell you
1504 2011-01-23 20:45:02 <lyspooner> molecular, what am i supposed to see in the debug log
1505 2011-01-23 20:45:11 <molecular> do you see stuff like "IRC got new address" or "IRC got join" at the end of the file?
1506 2011-01-23 20:45:23 <molecular> lyspooner, lets comare to my log...
1507 2011-01-23 20:45:30 <lyspooner> IRC got join
1508 2011-01-23 20:45:43 <Diablo-D3> IRC got ded
1509 2011-01-23 20:45:43 <molecular> lyspooner, "sending: addr (31 bytes)"
1510 2011-01-23 20:45:50 <molecular> ded?
1511 2011-01-23 20:45:57 <Diablo-D3> dee eee dee
1512 2011-01-23 20:45:57 <Diablo-D3> ded
1513 2011-01-23 20:46:01 <molecular> lyspooner, not seeing "IRC got ded"
1514 2011-01-23 20:46:15 <molecular> lyspooner: askfor tx bdcd086cadbc29df3888   1295817545000000
1515 2011-01-23 20:46:18 <lyspooner> no, I see "IRC got join"
1516 2011-01-23 20:46:44 <molecular> lyspooner, nothing about "sending", "received" or something like that?
1517 2011-01-23 20:46:46 <lyspooner> i see different askfor
1518 2011-01-23 20:46:52 <lyspooner> there is an error a little up the page
1519 2011-01-23 20:46:59 <molecular> waht's it say?
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1521 2011-01-23 20:47:36 <lyspooner> ERROR: ConnectInputs() : ....
1522 2011-01-23 20:47:48 <lyspooner> mapTransactions prev not found
1523 2011-01-23 20:47:48 <molecular> the "...." would be interesting
1524 2011-01-23 20:48:09 <lyspooner> i don't want to give away keys or something stupid
1525 2011-01-23 20:48:17 <lyspooner> i have no idea what this means
1526 2011-01-23 20:48:18 <molecular> lyspooner, yeah
1527 2011-01-23 20:48:44 <molecular> hmm... you could probably try to delete your blocks and have the client reload them from block 0
1528 2011-01-23 20:48:57 <molecular> but I'm not really an expert here
1529 2011-01-23 20:49:09 <molecular> maybe some of the more informed people have a suggestion?
1530 2011-01-23 20:49:33 <molecular> lyspooner, whatever you do, make a backup of you wallet.dat if you have money in it
1531 2011-01-23 20:50:49 <molecular> how hot can I overclock my 5790? am at 770Mhz, 90°C
1532 2011-01-23 20:50:55 * molecular is afraid
1533 2011-01-23 20:52:58 <molecular> lyspooner, it doesn't look like you're having connection problem telling from your log
1534 2011-01-23 20:53:08 <molecular> lyspooner, the block number is not moving at all?
1535 2011-01-23 20:53:26 <lyspooner> no, but it's clear on the debug log when things started pooping all over themselves
1536 2011-01-23 20:53:50 <molecular> how is it clear?
1537 2011-01-23 20:54:20 <lyspooner> because it says ERROR
1538 2011-01-23 20:54:34 <lyspooner> it's like the only word i understand in the entire file
1539 2011-01-23 20:54:39 <molecular> you could try to: stop the client, delete debug.log, start the client
1540 2011-01-23 20:54:42 <molecular> :)
1541 2011-01-23 20:54:56 <molecular> then verify that ERROR still occurs. it might be old
1542 2011-01-23 20:55:00 <lyspooner> will i lose my coins
1543 2011-01-23 20:55:03 <molecular> no
1544 2011-01-23 20:55:11 <molecular> deleting debug.log is safe
1545 2011-01-23 20:55:17 <molecular> just dont delete wallet.dat
1546 2011-01-23 20:55:21 <lyspooner> can i get a second opinion on that
1547 2011-01-23 20:55:30 <molecular> not from me ;)
1548 2011-01-23 20:55:57 <lyspooner> delete it how?  delete its contents and keep the file?
1549 2011-01-23 20:56:17 <molecular> no, just delete it (when the client is stopped preferrably)
1550 2011-01-23 20:56:30 <molecular> it should re-create it on startup
1551 2011-01-23 20:59:14 <lyspooner> should i wait until there are connections
1552 2011-01-23 20:59:19 <Kiba> lyspooner: wallet.dat is the only important thing
1553 2011-01-23 20:59:38 <lyspooner> before reopening debug.log
1554 2011-01-23 21:00:19 <lyspooner> btw, this was an error i had in 0.3.10
1555 2011-01-23 21:00:29 <lyspooner> i have since upgraded to 0.3.19
1556 2011-01-23 21:00:51 <davout> just copy your wallet.dat somewhere safe and nothing bad will happen
1557 2011-01-23 21:01:13 <davout> molecular: as much as you want as long as your box remains stable
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1559 2011-01-23 21:04:26 <molecular> davout, thanks. so no permanent harm done?
1560 2011-01-23 21:04:39 <luke-jr> fwiw, doing OpenGL comparisons, Sandy Bridge is approx Radeon 5750
1561 2011-01-23 21:04:54 <Pegasus-Rider> WOW
1562 2011-01-23 21:05:07 <molecular> sandy bridge?
1563 2011-01-23 21:05:26 <Pegasus-Rider> Yeah, new Intel chips
1564 2011-01-23 21:05:29 <luke-jr> molecular: Intel's 2011 CPU/GPU combination
1565 2011-01-23 21:05:36 <molecular> ah
1566 2011-01-23 21:05:37 <Pegasus-Rider> Freaking DRM cruft included
1567 2011-01-23 21:05:42 <molecular> oh
1568 2011-01-23 21:05:48 <Pegasus-Rider> Eh? :-)
1569 2011-01-23 21:05:54 <luke-jr> Pegasus-Rider: no different from AMD's CPU+GPU DRM?
1570 2011-01-23 21:06:52 <Pegasus-Rider> Fusion is better
1571 2011-01-23 21:06:58 <Pegasus-Rider> Support's better
1572 2011-01-23 21:07:06 <Pegasus-Rider> No cruft there
1573 2011-01-23 21:07:09 <Pegasus-Rider> Costs lest
1574 2011-01-23 21:07:41 <lyspooner> in my debug log, mapsBockIndex.size() = 104053 but my nBestHeight = 103531
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1576 2011-01-23 21:09:42 <davout> molecular: i froze my box countless times
1577 2011-01-23 21:09:46 <molecular> lyspooner, my suggestion is to restart the client from block 0 (probably delete everything in your Bitcoin dir except wallet.dat and start the client)
1578 2011-01-23 21:10:02 <molecular> lyspooner, but I would want a 2nd opinion on that
1579 2011-01-23 21:10:02 <davout> molecular: 90C is high for 770 Mhz
1580 2011-01-23 21:10:08 <luke-jr> Fusion?
1581 2011-01-23 21:10:22 <molecular> davout, it's at 87.5 with the default 725mhz already
1582 2011-01-23 21:10:51 <molecular> should I try to get better airflow or is that just different from card to card?
1583 2011-01-23 21:11:05 <davout> molecular: i run at 85/88 clocked at 815
1584 2011-01-23 21:11:36 <davout> molecular: vacuum the shit out of your case, dust the hell out of it, sort your cables out
1585 2011-01-23 21:11:51 <davout> molecular: you'll see anyway if it freezes
1586 2011-01-23 21:12:09 <davout> molecular: you can also increase fanspeed
1587 2011-01-23 21:12:15 <davout> using aticonfig
1588 2011-01-23 21:12:25 <davout> assuming you're running linux
1589 2011-01-23 21:12:26 <molecular> I have 2 big fans on the side. only one running currently. should I activate the second one?
1590 2011-01-23 21:12:42 <davout> you could try i guess :)
1591 2011-01-23 21:12:51 <molecular> hmm
1592 2011-01-23 21:12:58 * molecular will make some measurements and charts
1593 2011-01-23 21:13:22 <molecular> Diablo-D3, my hasrate just dropped to 220 from 535 after a connection problem
1594 2011-01-23 21:13:36 <molecular> Diablo-D3, didn't wait long enough (1 minute) to see if that would fix itself...
1595 2011-01-23 21:14:36 <lyspooner> is there an easy safe way to restart the client from block 0
1596 2011-01-23 21:15:01 <lyspooner> no offesne, molecular, but i'm scared of deleting stuff
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1598 2011-01-23 21:16:54 <molecular> lyspooner, no problem, I only suggested what I would do
1599 2011-01-23 21:17:00 <davout> lyspooner: you can delete everything, except for wallet.dat
1600 2011-01-23 21:17:16 <davout> lyspooner: delete wallet.dat = you're fucked,
1601 2011-01-23 21:17:33 <davout> everything else is replaceable
1602 2011-01-23 21:17:42 <lyspooner> if i don't have a backup of wallet.dat, would you still recommend the same course of action?
1603 2011-01-23 21:18:14 <davout> i don't know what course of action you're talking about, but if you do not, then get backuping right now :)
1604 2011-01-23 21:19:19 <lyspooner> can i create multiple copies of wallet.dat on the same computer
1605 2011-01-23 21:19:28 <molecular> I suggested he delete everything in his bitcoin directory in order to get around a problem with his client being stuck at some block #
1606 2011-01-23 21:19:33 <molecular> lyspooner, yes
1607 2011-01-23 21:19:41 <lyspooner> can i memorize wallet.dat
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1609 2011-01-23 21:19:56 <molecular> lyspooner, you can just copy wallet.dat to your desktop or some usb stick
1610 2011-01-23 21:20:11 <molecular> once you spend from one copy, you wont be able to spend the same coin from another copy
1611 2011-01-23 21:20:16 <davout> lyspooner: magnets, how do they work?
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1613 2011-01-23 21:21:23 <lyspooner> davout t parisien non? jeais a montpellier today
1614 2011-01-23 21:21:58 <Keefe> molecular: keep in mind that your gpu temps are also directly related to room temp
1615 2011-01-23 21:22:43 <davout> lyspooner: viens sur #bitcoin-fr :)
1616 2011-01-23 21:22:43 <molecular> Keefe, it's cold here, 19 °C. thanks for the caveat
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1618 2011-01-23 21:22:59 <molecular> Keefe, but getting warmer, due to 300W output from the card ;)
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1620 2011-01-23 21:23:12 <Keefe> if your room is 10 deg hotter than someone else's, you can expect your gpu to be 10 deg hotter also, given the same fan speed, ventilation, etc
1621 2011-01-23 21:23:13 <molecular> Keefe, damn nonlinear differential equations
1622 2011-01-23 21:23:43 <molecular> Keefe, your suggesting a linear dependency. but I think that's not true, because the fans are adjusted
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1624 2011-01-23 21:24:00 <Keefe> that's why i mentioned fan speed
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1626 2011-01-23 21:24:59 <lyspooner> molecular, as you instructed i deleted everything inside wallet.dat and kept everything else, and now i'm reopening the client
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1628 2011-01-23 21:25:28 <Keefe> of course there are other complex factors. but i think the relationship is most useful when looking at your gpu temp over a long time in the same conditions, comparing with weather
1629 2011-01-23 21:25:28 <molecular> I suggested something else: delete everything _except_ wallet.dat
1630 2011-01-23 21:25:57 <molecular> lyspooner, tell me you didn't delete your wallet.dat
1631 2011-01-23 21:26:32 <molecular> because if you did, the total amount of BTC available is a little lower than 21 million
1632 2011-01-23 21:26:52 <lyspooner> i'm like the anti-fed
1633 2011-01-23 21:27:18 <molecular> lyspooner, how much money was in your wallet.dat?
1634 2011-01-23 21:29:54 <lyspooner> no worries, i didn't delete wallet.dat, i am rebuilding the blockchain from the beginning.
1635 2011-01-23 21:30:08 <molecular> lyspooner, you ass ;) fooled me
1636 2011-01-23 21:30:21 <molecular> lyspooner, so is it working?
1637 2011-01-23 21:31:05 <lyspooner> we'll see, 6500 blocks and counting
1638 2011-01-23 21:31:55 <molecular> cool
1639 2011-01-23 21:32:03 <molecular> it'll take some 40 minutes
1640 2011-01-23 21:32:08 <lyspooner> nuts
1641 2011-01-23 21:32:11 <molecular> cat-minutes
1642 2011-01-23 21:32:19 <molecular> nah, longer
1643 2011-01-23 21:32:22 <lyspooner> if it works i'll send you a token of my thanks
1644 2011-01-23 21:33:10 <luke-jr> molecular: it was never a full 21 mil
1645 2011-01-23 21:33:41 <luke-jr> 20,999,999.99999980
1646 2011-01-23 21:33:50 <luke-jr> (or 7,750,5907.3 TBC)
1647 2011-01-23 21:34:43 <lyspooner> luke-jr, you mean the halving of bitcoins is not indefinite?
1648 2011-01-23 21:35:00 <luke-jr> lyspooner: it is
1649 2011-01-23 21:35:01 <molecular> Diablo-D3, the hashmeter get's screwed when a block is found?
1650 2011-01-23 21:35:10 <luke-jr> I don't know why it stops at .99999980
1651 2011-01-23 21:35:23 <lyspooner> it shouldn't
1652 2011-01-23 21:35:25 <molecular> luke-jr, never 21 mil, plz explain
1653 2011-01-23 21:35:29 <molecular> oh
1654 2011-01-23 21:35:31 <molecular> sorry
1655 2011-01-23 21:35:33 <molecular> yeah
1656 2011-01-23 21:35:59 <luke-jr> how many blocks between halving again?
1657 2011-01-23 21:35:59 <molecular> so we're back to platon now, halving atoms?
1658 2011-01-23 21:36:12 <molecular> 210000
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1660 2011-01-23 21:40:34 <molecular> lyspooner, a token?
1661 2011-01-23 21:41:43 <lyspooner> molecular, a tip so to speak
1662 2011-01-23 21:43:02 <molecular> lyspooner, cool
1663 2011-01-23 21:43:25 <molecular> ok, 830mhz -> freeze
1664 2011-01-23 21:43:32 <luke-jr> my C test gets 20,999,999.97690000
1665 2011-01-23 21:43:44 <lyspooner> at the risk of sounding stupid, it's not clear to beginners like me that bitcoin connects to IRC, or what IRC even means.  is there IRC failure risk?  would people not adopt bitcoin because of that risk?
1666 2011-01-23 21:43:45 <molecular> C test ?
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1668 2011-01-23 21:44:04 <luke-jr> molecular: to count BTC ever
1669 2011-01-23 21:44:08 <molecular> lyspooner, it's used for getting peers only, I think
1670 2011-01-23 21:44:22 <molecular> luke-jr, you made some simulator?
1671 2011-01-23 21:44:28 <luke-jr> it's not hard
1672 2011-01-23 21:44:56 <luke-jr> perl -le 'use POSIX; $a=50*100000000; while($a) { print $a; $b += $a; $a = floor($a / 2); }; print $b*21000000000000' # in Perl
1673 2011-01-23 21:45:05 <luke-jr> but Perl seems to have precision problems
1674 2011-01-23 21:45:44 <molecular> 2.09999999769e+23
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1676 2011-01-23 21:47:22 <davout> lyspooner: IRC = just get some bootstrap IPs to connect to
1677 2011-01-23 21:47:51 <lyspooner> molecular, if getting peers is essential to bitcoin, then wouldn't govts just attack the place on IRC where people find each other
1678 2011-01-23 21:47:55 <molecular> can one regulate the voltage on 5970?
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1681 2011-01-23 21:49:45 <luke-jr> lyspooner: there are easier ways to attack bitcoin
1682 2011-01-23 21:50:25 <lyspooner> what's the easiest way for a govt to attack it
1683 2011-01-23 21:50:41 <lyspooner> besides forbidding it
1684 2011-01-23 21:50:59 <luke-jr> shut the internet down?
1685 2011-01-23 21:51:20 <molecular> lol, would kill wikileaks along with it. nice proposition
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1687 2011-01-23 21:52:55 <davout> molecular: yes, you need to flash the bios for that
1688 2011-01-23 21:55:11 <molecular> davout, sorry, lost track. flash bios for what?
1689 2011-01-23 21:57:00 <molecular> http://imgur.com/xwS4h  <-- results of molec's overclocking measurements
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1691 2011-01-23 21:57:19 <molecular> summary: more is more
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1693 2011-01-23 21:58:36 <molecular> Keefe, looking at above chart, do you think getting better airflow or lowering room-temp would allow me to go beyond 820Mhz?
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1697 2011-01-23 22:06:42 <lyspooner> if i restart the blockchain from scratch but i keep my wallet.dat, at what point in the blockchain building process should i see my balance return non-zero
1698 2011-01-23 22:07:01 <molecular> lyspooner, I think you have to copy back your wallet.dat
1699 2011-01-23 22:07:22 <luke-jr> lyspooner: whatever point your address(es) began being sent money
1700 2011-01-23 22:07:38 <lyspooner> i never removed my wallet.dat from the folder, only copied it elsewhere
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1702 2011-01-23 22:12:29 <lyspooner> is there a place to ask "on what date was block 40,123 generated?"
1703 2011-01-23 22:13:04 <lyspooner> or "how many blocks were generated as of July 1, 2010 7AM EST?"
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1705 2011-01-23 22:13:37 <doublec> block explorer will give you the 'what data was block X generated'
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1707 2011-01-23 22:13:42 <doublec> eg: http://blockexplorer.com/block/000000006748fe7265783a8d08812ce43d22d9c842493a4e1c12199482036a89
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1709 2011-01-23 22:13:51 <luke-jr> http://blockexplorer.com/b/40123
1710 2011-01-23 22:14:04 <doublec> oops, yeah, I copy/pasted the wrong url
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1712 2011-01-23 22:15:25 <cosurgi> ;;bc,blocks
1713 2011-01-23 22:15:26 <gribble> 104227
1714 2011-01-23 22:16:45 <molecular> lyspooner: getting peers is essential, yes, but that can always be done by other means if an attack should take place on "peer-finding"
1715 2011-01-23 22:18:31 <molecular> ;;bc,mtgox
1716 2011-01-23 22:18:32 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.4443,"low":0.419,"vol":3438,"buy":0.4208,"sell":0.4425,"last":0.443}}
1717 2011-01-23 22:18:36 <molecular> wow
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1721 2011-01-23 22:22:03 <molecular> ohoh
1722 2011-01-23 22:22:15 <molecular> I just did "aticonfig --pplib-cmd 'set fanspeed 0 12'"
1723 2011-01-23 22:22:21 <molecular> then the fan started to run really low
1724 2011-01-23 22:22:40 <molecular> I promptly turned off the machine, because I was afraid to fry some chips
1725 2011-01-23 22:22:44 <molecular> was that necessary?
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1731 2011-01-23 22:25:03 <Keefe> molecular: 12% is a bad idea
1732 2011-01-23 22:25:19 <molecular> did 100% right after that
1733 2011-01-23 22:25:21 <molecular> fan still low
1734 2011-01-23 22:25:27 <molecular> then I powered off
1735 2011-01-23 22:25:29 <Keefe> it ramps up slowly
1736 2011-01-23 22:25:49 <molecular> ah, Keefe, you're back!
1737 2011-01-23 22:25:56 <molecular> I'm having a question for you:
1738 2011-01-23 22:26:14 <Keefe> i don't think temp make much difference for OC'ability
1739 2011-01-23 22:26:17 <molecular> I tried ramping up clock. when I reachen 830, systm froze
1740 2011-01-23 22:26:43 <Keefe> 830 sounds fair. some OC better than others
1741 2011-01-23 22:26:54 <molecular> how about I regulate fans to 100% before ramping up clock beyond 820 to cool the chips?
1742 2011-01-23 22:26:54 <Keefe> i have 6 5970's (12 chips)
1743 2011-01-23 22:27:12 <molecular> you're rich, man ;)
1744 2011-01-23 22:27:18 <Keefe> ranging from 800 to 895 mhz max OC
1745 2011-01-23 22:27:25 <molecular> ok
1746 2011-01-23 22:27:37 <molecular> I didn't start differentiating between the 2 gpus
1747 2011-01-23 22:27:41 <molecular> maybe one is better
1748 2011-01-23 22:27:54 <molecular> what about the "pre-cooling"-idea?
1749 2011-01-23 22:28:07 <molecular> the default fan-regulator reacts quite slowly
1750 2011-01-23 22:28:32 <Keefe> ya, i prefer to set my own fan speed to prefer cool rather than quiet
1751 2011-01-23 22:28:57 <molecular> well, "aticonfig --pplib-cmd 'set fanspeed 0 100'" resulted in almost inaudible fan-speed
1752 2011-01-23 22:29:01 <Keefe> maybe you can get another 10 mhz if you cool it much better
1753 2011-01-23 22:29:03 <molecular> so I'm afraid to try again...
1754 2011-01-23 22:29:04 <Keefe> dunno
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1756 2011-01-23 22:29:17 <molecular> another 10% doesnt seem worth the effort
1757 2011-01-23 22:29:32 <Keefe> 10 mhz is about 1%
1758 2011-01-23 22:29:55 <molecular> wew, just had another freeze at 820
1759 2011-01-23 22:29:58 <molecular> hmmm...
1760 2011-01-23 22:30:04 <molecular> damnit
1761 2011-01-23 22:30:09 <Keefe> do try that pplib cmd again, but be patient
1762 2011-01-23 22:30:18 <molecular> well, I'm content with the hashing-power, so I cant complain
1763 2011-01-23 22:30:22 <molecular> ok
1764 2011-01-23 22:30:31 <Keefe> it sometimes starts really slow even if the auto had it running fast before
1765 2011-01-23 22:30:35 <molecular> will boot, then stay at default 725 and issue fan-cmd
1766 2011-01-23 22:30:43 <Keefe> sounds good
1767 2011-01-23 22:31:07 <molecular> after a freeze, the things doesn't even turn on any more... that really shocked me the first time
1768 2011-01-23 22:31:27 <molecular> does the 5970 tell the board to not power up if the chips are too hot or something?
1769 2011-01-23 22:31:34 <Keefe> every once in a while, one of my chips hangs. i just lower its clock by 5 mhz and reboot
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1771 2011-01-23 22:32:56 <Keefe> i wouldn't blame the g card for having a hard time getting the pc to turn back on
1772 2011-01-23 22:33:06 <molecular> "aticonfig --pplib-cmd 'set fanspeed 0 100'": ah, just need to wait
1773 2011-01-23 22:33:21 <Keefe> i think mobo's sometimes get out of sync when you force the system off
1774 2011-01-23 22:33:38 <Keefe> leaf blower!
1775 2011-01-23 22:33:46 <molecular> hair-dryer
1776 2011-01-23 22:34:12 <molecular> yeah, I replugged power, then it worked again
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1781 2011-01-23 22:41:33 * molecular envies ArtForz with his 200mhas/s @8W asics he will be having soon at great numbers
1782 2011-01-23 22:42:27 <molecular> s/at/in
1783 2011-01-23 22:45:05 <molecular> Keefe, it seems regulating fan-speed manually allows for higher overclocking (80% fan, 830Mhz (which froze before))
1784 2011-01-23 22:45:20 <molecular> Keefe, ohoh, maybe it doesn't help
1785 2011-01-23 22:45:24 <molecular> Keefe, freeze
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1787 2011-01-23 22:50:04 <Keefe> when i test new gpus for mining, i set the fan so it holds temp around 90 C, then increase the clock 5mhz at a time every few minutes til it hangs, then lower by 5 and reboot for each hang after that, until it goes an hour stable
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1789 2011-01-23 22:51:58 <molecular> Keefe, good approach. I thought 800Mhz was good for my GPU, but just got proven wrong
1790 2011-01-23 22:53:20 <molecular> Keefe, what miner do you use?
1791 2011-01-23 22:53:46 <Keefe> my own
1792 2011-01-23 22:53:54 <molecular> nice
1793 2011-01-23 22:54:03 <molecular> you saw ArtForz released some code today?
1794 2011-01-23 22:54:23 <molecular> http://pastebin.com/EPs5CMaV
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1796 2011-01-23 22:57:30 <Keefe> wow. thanks molecular
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1798 2011-01-23 22:58:22 <Keefe> i assume that's his latest kernel before switching to CAL
1799 2011-01-23 22:59:59 <molecular> Keefe, thanks? what for?
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1801 2011-01-23 23:01:54 <Keefe> i wouldn't have noticed
1802 2011-01-23 23:02:14 <Keefe> too much chat in this chan for me to read all
1803 2011-01-23 23:02:45 <molecular> Keefe, you're welcome
1804 2011-01-23 23:02:55 <Keefe> his kernel is likely 10% faster than mine
1805 2011-01-23 23:03:31 <molecular> can you easily use his kernel? seems to me integrating in popular miners would require some adjustments
1806 2011-01-23 23:03:49 <Keefe> i know enough about this stuff to make it work with my code
1807 2011-01-23 23:04:00 <molecular> why do you use your own code?
1808 2011-01-23 23:04:57 <Keefe> i probably could have improved my kernel to almost as good on my own, just have been procrastinating, for no good reason. now i can just hook up his (with some changes to either kernel or host code or both)
1809 2011-01-23 23:05:29 <molecular> "procrastinating, for no good reason": that's an oxymoron
1810 2011-01-23 23:05:34 <molecular> :)
1811 2011-01-23 23:05:42 <Keefe> i use my own code because i started out many months ago
1812 2011-01-23 23:05:51 <molecular> and using ArtForz's code will give you a 10% imrov?
1813 2011-01-23 23:05:56 <Keefe> probably
1814 2011-01-23 23:06:08 <molecular> you started out early enough to be rich now?
1815 2011-01-23 23:06:23 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 156000
1816 2011-01-23 23:06:24 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 156000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 5 days, 21 hours, and 22 seconds
1817 2011-01-23 23:06:31 <Keefe> if only i had started out with 6 5970's and never sold so much at 0.06
1818 2011-01-23 23:06:33 <molecular> if Diablo-D3 would integrate ArtForz's kernel, what would that yield?
1819 2011-01-23 23:06:44 <Diablo-D3> a lot.
1820 2011-01-23 23:06:53 <molecular> oh, you're here?
1821 2011-01-23 23:07:03 <molecular> if I can help in any way, tell me
1822 2011-01-23 23:07:09 <Keefe> Diablo-D3: what's yours get at stock on a 5970?
1823 2011-01-23 23:07:18 <molecular> have been coding for 30 years, just no experience in this sector
1824 2011-01-23 23:07:33 <molecular> Keefe, I can tell you: 535mhas/s
1825 2011-01-23 23:07:48 <Diablo-D3> Keefe: not sure
1826 2011-01-23 23:07:54 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 200000
1827 2011-01-23 23:07:55 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 200000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 4 days, 13 hours, 59 minutes, and 5 seconds
1828 2011-01-23 23:07:55 <molecular> Keefe, what's yours get at stock on a 5970?
1829 2011-01-23 23:08:02 <Diablo-D3> it should be around 540 or so
1830 2011-01-23 23:08:04 <Keefe> 506 :(
1831 2011-01-23 23:08:17 <molecular> so I go with Diablo-D3
1832 2011-01-23 23:08:19 <molecular> :)
1833 2011-01-23 23:08:54 <molecular> Keefe, java? py? how did you implement
1834 2011-01-23 23:08:55 <Keefe> i guess Diablo-D3 is going to integrate Art's kernel soon
1835 2011-01-23 23:09:05 <Keefe> making it 3% better
1836 2011-01-23 23:09:12 <Keefe> i use C#
1837 2011-01-23 23:09:13 <molecular> it doesn't seem as though he needs help either
1838 2011-01-23 23:09:16 * Kiba done a lot of work on noagendamarket's google extension today
1839 2011-01-23 23:09:43 <molecular> Kiba, what is that?
1840 2011-01-23 23:09:47 <noagendamarket> :)
1841 2011-01-23 23:09:55 <molecular> noagendamarket, dude, you again?
1842 2011-01-23 23:10:02 <Keefe> and i use a custom mod of bitcoind. i don't like the current getwork concept
1843 2011-01-23 23:10:04 <molecular> bitcoind.com
1844 2011-01-23 23:10:15 <noagendamarket> yep me again lol
1845 2011-01-23 23:10:26 <molecular> slush is implementing some pull-method
1846 2011-01-23 23:10:34 <molecular> aeh push, sorry
1847 2011-01-23 23:10:42 <Keefe> ya mine is already push
1848 2011-01-23 23:10:51 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 59000
1849 2011-01-23 23:10:52 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 59000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 2 weeks, 1 day, 12 hours, 49 minutes, and 47 seconds
1850 2011-01-23 23:11:04 <Kiba> time for dinner
1851 2011-01-23 23:11:12 <molecular> einen guten appetit
1852 2011-01-23 23:11:28 <Keefe> ArtForz: thanks for sharing your kernel :)
1853 2011-01-23 23:11:30 <xelister> molecular: all miners have the same result (+/- 0.5% or so)
1854 2011-01-23 23:11:51 <mrb_> xelister: speed-wise?
1855 2011-01-23 23:11:57 <xelister> yea..
1856 2011-01-23 23:11:59 <xelister> or?
1857 2011-01-23 23:12:02 <molecular> xelister, I'm getting quite different result comparing poclbm to diablo
1858 2011-01-23 23:12:06 <xelister> does ArtForz's .cl program improve all miners?  is it compatible?
1859 2011-01-23 23:12:11 <xelister> and whats the url
1860 2011-01-23 23:12:13 <luke-jr> Radeon HD 5570 (59 MH/s) for $23 decent deal?
1861 2011-01-23 23:12:14 <mrb_> well no. my miner does 569Mh/s on stock 5970
1862 2011-01-23 23:12:33 <molecular> xelister, http://pastebin.com/EPs5CMaV
1863 2011-01-23 23:12:36 <xelister> mrb_: oc?
1864 2011-01-23 23:12:42 <mrb_> no, stock clocks
1865 2011-01-23 23:12:46 <xelister> wtf
1866 2011-01-23 23:12:47 <molecular> and also, xelister: no it's not compatible
1867 2011-01-23 23:12:52 <xelister> mrb_: url to your miner? O_o
1868 2011-01-23 23:12:56 <Diablo-D3> [06:04:03] <Keefe> i guess Diablo-D3 is going to integrate Art's kernel soon
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1870 2011-01-23 23:13:02 <Diablo-D3> Keefe: I dunno man, hes getting 556 on a 5970
1871 2011-01-23 23:13:04 <mrb_> it's private. I am selling it.
1872 2011-01-23 23:13:17 <xelister> ArtForz:  what is this constant  if(H + 0x5be0cd19 == 0) {
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1874 2011-01-23 23:13:37 <molecular> mrb_, "stock" means @725Mhz?
1875 2011-01-23 23:13:40 <mrb_> yes
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1877 2011-01-23 23:13:48 <luke-jr> …
1878 2011-01-23 23:13:50 <molecular> mrb_, how?
1879 2011-01-23 23:13:51 <Keefe> xelister: just compare with a less-optimized kernel
1880 2011-01-23 23:14:45 <mrb_> I wrote it in CAL IL (pseudo asm), and use some special instructions to optimize SHA-256 (BIT_ALIGN, BFI_INT)
1881 2011-01-23 23:14:47 <Keefe> mrb_ uses fancy hacks of the binary after kernel compile, iirc
1882 2011-01-23 23:14:49 <noagendamarket> molecular the pool is just a collector for the coins :)-
1883 2011-01-23 23:15:02 <molecular> Diablo-D3, what about using ArtForz' kernel in diablominer? are you saying it doesnt make sense?
1884 2011-01-23 23:15:15 * Kiba have a stable income with wiki.kibabase.com
1885 2011-01-23 23:15:18 <xelister> mrb_: is it even better then ArtForz's ? if yes the he would probably pay a lot to get it lol
1886 2011-01-23 23:15:20 <Kiba> .11 BTC per day :D
1887 2011-01-23 23:15:22 <Diablo-D3> molecular: Im saying I'll get more than 3%
1888 2011-01-23 23:15:25 <mrb_> I gave the BFI_INT idea to ArtForz who then rewrote his kernel to use it.
1889 2011-01-23 23:15:41 <Diablo-D3> mrb_: BFI_INT could be used by rot
1890 2011-01-23 23:15:42 <mrb_> ArtForz was doing 556Mh/s, after rewrite he does ~600Mh/s
1891 2011-01-23 23:15:44 <molecular> ArtForz wont't pay, his 100 ASICS arrive in February
1892 2011-01-23 23:15:57 <xelister> oh shite
1893 2011-01-23 23:16:11 <xelister> we should all make bounty and rent uboot to sink that shipment ;)
1894 2011-01-23 23:16:13 <molecular> and 1000 more soon, I'm assuing
1895 2011-01-23 23:16:18 <molecular> s/assuing/assuming
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1897 2011-01-23 23:16:36 <molecular> you could buy cheap GPU from ArtForz...
1898 2011-01-23 23:17:08 <xelister> mrb_: so, do you own a cluster too?
1899 2011-01-23 23:17:16 <mrb_> yes
1900 2011-01-23 23:17:17 <molecular> who?
1901 2011-01-23 23:17:21 <luke-jr> ArtForz is selling GPUs cheap?
1902 2011-01-23 23:17:31 <molecular> that's my prediction
1903 2011-01-23 23:17:42 <molecular> actually, he will probably seeling at market price
1904 2011-01-23 23:17:55 <luke-jr> yeah :/
1905 2011-01-23 23:18:00 <luke-jr> hrm
1906 2011-01-23 23:18:01 <molecular> hehe
1907 2011-01-23 23:18:02 <luke-jr> Feb isn't so far off
1908 2011-01-23 23:18:05 <molecular> no
1909 2011-01-23 23:18:08 <luke-jr> maybe I should drop this idea of getting a video card
1910 2011-01-23 23:18:18 <molecular> no, don't
1911 2011-01-23 23:18:25 <luke-jr> why not?
1912 2011-01-23 23:18:29 <molecular> we need massively distributed mining
1913 2011-01-23 23:18:34 <luke-jr> why?
1914 2011-01-23 23:18:53 <luke-jr> it's useless GPU time. the only reason to do it is for bitcoins.
1915 2011-01-23 23:18:54 <molecular> ArtForz taking >50% of mining
1916 2011-01-23 23:19:00 <noagendamarket> to prevent takeover
1917 2011-01-23 23:19:14 <luke-jr> peers could all agree to boycott ArtForz's blocks
1918 2011-01-23 23:19:15 <luke-jr> :P
1919 2011-01-23 23:19:24 <molecular> ArtForz doesnt't want to take over. He just want BTC/EUR/...
1920 2011-01-23 23:19:25 <Keefe> afaik, Art plans on not taking more than 30% of the total
1921 2011-01-23 23:19:34 <molecular> so he will keep bitcoin alive
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1923 2011-01-23 23:19:49 <Kiba> so luke-jr, what's your offer on VPS hosting?
1924 2011-01-23 23:19:49 <noagendamarket> he has a vested interest in doing that
1925 2011-01-23 23:19:51 <Keefe> luke-jr: how would you distinguish his blocks from anyone else's?
1926 2011-01-23 23:19:56 <molecular> yeah, cause he said "when >50% you effectively compet against yourself"
1927 2011-01-23 23:20:02 <luke-jr> Kiba: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/?page=vps&currency=BTC
1928 2011-01-23 23:20:27 <Kiba> hosts are like landlord
1929 2011-01-23 23:20:30 <luke-jr> Keefe: good question
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1931 2011-01-23 23:20:40 <Kiba> important, but they don't earn the majority of money in the economy
1932 2011-01-23 23:20:48 <luke-jr> heh
1933 2011-01-23 23:21:05 <luke-jr> Radeon HD 5570 for $23 a good deal?
1934 2011-01-23 23:21:08 <molecular> distinguish? no you dont
1935 2011-01-23 23:21:37 <noagendamarket> I think its great hes doing this
1936 2011-01-23 23:21:40 <luke-jr> Keefe: maybe his IP
1937 2011-01-23 23:21:43 <xelister> luke-jr: for serious mining you should just buy an 5970. Include there money for 800 W PSU
1938 2011-01-23 23:21:54 <noagendamarket> when or if attacked he can trun it on full bore lol
1939 2011-01-23 23:21:59 <luke-jr> xelister: 5970 is way too expensive
1940 2011-01-23 23:22:13 <noagendamarket> it will be good to have capacity in reserve
1941 2011-01-23 23:23:08 <Keefe> $23 is pretty cheap per mhps
1942 2011-01-23 23:23:30 <luke-jr> Keefe: yeah, it looks like I might be able to make it back at a single difficulty
1943 2011-01-23 23:23:32 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
1944 2011-01-23 23:23:34 <gribble> Current Blocks: 104235 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 596 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 13 hours, 25 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 21740.06367782
1945 2011-01-23 23:23:45 <luke-jr> depends on how much it goes up in 4 days
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1949 2011-01-23 23:29:15 <molecular> Diablo-D3, a 10% increase would be substantial... can I help in any way?
1950 2011-01-23 23:29:25 <molecular> Diablo-D3, ... to integrate Art's code?
1951 2011-01-23 23:29:43 <Diablo-D3> nope, probasbly not
1952 2011-01-23 23:29:45 <molecular> A wise man once said, '↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A'
1953 2011-01-23 23:29:47 <Diablo-D3> Ill try it tommorow
1954 2011-01-23 23:30:14 <Diablo-D3> up down up down left right left right b a
1955 2011-01-23 23:30:22 <molecular> really?
1956 2011-01-23 23:30:31 <luke-jr> molecular: fix your encoding
1957 2011-01-23 23:30:31 <molecular> for me it's just unicode-placeholders
1958 2011-01-23 23:30:35 <molecular> whatever editor I use
1959 2011-01-23 23:30:44 <Diablo-D3> its unicode.
1960 2011-01-23 23:30:50 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: no, it isn't.
1961 2011-01-23 23:30:51 <molecular> yeah, I can see that
1962 2011-01-23 23:31:14 <Keefe> the 10% is improv from mine to Art's
1963 2011-01-23 23:31:18 <molecular> ah, these kidz, using unicoded variable-names
1964 2011-01-23 23:31:26 <Keefe> more like 3% from Diablo's
1965 2011-01-23 23:31:38 <Diablo-D3> I do about 540 on a 5970
1966 2011-01-23 23:31:43 <Diablo-D3> art's does about 556
1967 2011-01-23 23:31:43 <molecular> Keefe, diablos is faster than m0m?
1968 2011-01-23 23:31:55 <Keefe> 3%
1969 2011-01-23 23:32:03 <Keefe> mine 506
1970 2011-01-23 23:32:10 <Diablo-D3> yeah, 3% =/
1971 2011-01-23 23:32:20 <molecular> no need to integrate, then
1972 2011-01-23 23:32:29 <molecular> negligible gain
1973 2011-01-23 23:32:38 <Diablo-D3> it costs me nothing to do so
1974 2011-01-23 23:32:43 <Diablo-D3> I wanna see what it does on my 4xxx
1975 2011-01-23 23:32:50 <molecular> nothing? then why is it not done?
1976 2011-01-23 23:33:07 <molecular> it must cost some time or sth?
1977 2011-01-23 23:34:07 <molecular> Diablo-D3, love you'r "while(running)"-loop.
1978 2011-01-23 23:34:19 <molecular> s/you'r/your
1979 2011-01-23 23:34:50 <molecular> mine is looking the same, down to the variable-name(s) ("running")
1980 2011-01-23 23:40:12 <molecular> Thread.sleep(1000);
1981 2011-01-23 23:40:30 <molecular> DiabloMiner.java:230
1982 2011-01-23 23:40:56 <lyspooner> ;;bc,blocks
1983 2011-01-23 23:40:57 <gribble> 104239
1984 2011-01-23 23:41:09 <molecular> ;;bc,mtgox
1985 2011-01-23 23:41:09 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.4443,"low":0.42,"vol":2808,"buy":0.4208,"sell":0.4424,"last":0.443}}
1986 2011-01-23 23:41:22 <molecular> lyspooner, what's up?
1987 2011-01-23 23:45:10 <noagendamarket> lol  I see what you did there.....  http://coke.bitcoin.me
1988 2011-01-23 23:46:14 chaord has left ()
1989 2011-01-23 23:48:11 <Kiba> Teppy1: Do you have anything we can use for your full page ads?
1990 2011-01-23 23:48:31 MT`AwAy is now known as zz_MT`AwAy
1991 2011-01-23 23:48:56 * molecular thinks BTC2 should be called: "KARMA"
1992 2011-01-23 23:49:25 <dooglus> luke-jr: how would peers identify ArtForz's blocks?
1993 2011-01-23 23:49:55 <molecular> <molecular> distinguish? no you dont
1994 2011-01-23 23:50:43 <lyspooner> ;;bc,blocks
1995 2011-01-23 23:50:43 <gribble> 104239
1996 2011-01-23 23:50:50 <molecular> ;;bc;mtgox
1997 2011-01-23 23:50:51 <gribble> Error: "bc;mtgox" is not a valid command.
1998 2011-01-23 23:50:58 <molecular> ;;bcmtgox
1999 2011-01-23 23:50:58 <gribble> Error: "bcmtgox" is not a valid command.
2000 2011-01-23 23:51:04 <lyspooner> ;;bc,mtgox
2001 2011-01-23 23:51:04 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.4443,"low":0.42,"vol":1148,"buy":0.4208,"sell":0.4424,"last":0.4424}}
2002 2011-01-23 23:51:05 <molecular> ;;bc,mtgox
2003 2011-01-23 23:51:06 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.4443,"low":0.42,"vol":1148,"buy":0.4208,"sell":0.4424,"last":0.4424}}
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