1 2011-01-24 00:00:18 fabianhjr has joined
2 2011-01-24 00:00:28 <fabianhjr> Kiba: Hi! :)
3 2011-01-24 00:02:07 <fabianhjr> So, what's up guys?
4 2011-01-24 00:04:06 <luke-jr> dooglus: IP
5 2011-01-24 00:04:39 <CIA-98> bitcoin: Chris Moore master * r4698dd9 / net.cpp : Fix -maxconnections. It used to account for the 8 outbound connections twice when calculating the number of slots left for incoming connections. - http://bit.ly/eqIj19
6 2011-01-24 00:04:42 <Kiba> fabianhjr: hey
7 2011-01-24 00:04:43 <luke-jr> molecular: "BTC2" already exists: TBC
8 2011-01-24 00:04:58 <Kiba> fabianhjr: we need to discuss stuff about editors...
9 2011-01-24 00:05:10 <Kiba> it seem that you didn't do any review of my writing..
10 2011-01-24 00:05:10 <fabianhjr> Then do it in PM form!
11 2011-01-24 00:05:48 <luke-jr> what do these numbers have in common? 0.474811059658464 0.657916593827004 0.444432032124297 0.803545718720471
12 2011-01-24 00:06:18 <dirtyfilthy> x < 0.8036 :)
13 2011-01-24 00:06:22 <dooglus> luke-jr: blocks have IP addresses in them?
14 2011-01-24 00:06:27 <luke-jr> dirtyfilthy: not thatâ¦
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16 2011-01-24 00:06:44 <dooglus> luke-jr: they're all rational numbers
17 2011-01-24 00:06:53 <luke-jr> dooglus: if enough people are in on it, we can poop on ArtForz's blocks when he sends them direct :P
18 2011-01-24 00:07:20 <dooglus> luke-jr: so he'll use a proxy
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22 2011-01-24 00:08:32 <luke-jr> dooglus: until we ID it
23 2011-01-24 00:08:54 <dooglus> luke-jr: or a different proxy each time. or TOR
24 2011-01-24 00:09:02 <luke-jr> meh
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26 2011-01-24 00:09:55 <luke-jr> anyhow, want the common thing with those #s?
27 2011-01-24 00:10:09 <andrew12> Use a different exit server ^.^
28 2011-01-24 00:10:43 <dooglus> luke-jr: is it something to do with the Tonal system?
29 2011-01-24 00:10:53 <luke-jr> not this time
30 2011-01-24 00:11:00 <dooglus> that's a shock! :)
31 2011-01-24 00:11:04 <luke-jr> yeah, stupid me
32 2011-01-24 00:11:27 <luke-jr> fine, I'll give a hint:
33 2011-01-24 00:11:36 <luke-jr> echo -n <Number> | sha256sum
34 2011-01-24 00:11:48 <dooglus> I've been experimenting with trying to connect to the bitcoin network without using IRC
35 2011-01-24 00:11:53 <dooglus> since IRC is a single point of failure
36 2011-01-24 00:11:57 <luke-jr> â¦
37 2011-01-24 00:11:59 <luke-jr> it's not hard
38 2011-01-24 00:12:06 <dooglus> sometimes it takes a very long time to get connected
39 2011-01-24 00:12:20 <molecular> dooglus, cool!
40 2011-01-24 00:12:21 <luke-jr> in fact, it really only should need IRC the first time you run bitcoin
41 2011-01-24 00:12:30 <molecular> dooglus, I mean: cool that you're testing this
42 2011-01-24 00:12:50 <luke-jr> after the first time, IRC just serves to help *other* new people
43 2011-01-24 00:12:53 <dooglus> the list of seeds in the source are mostly dead
44 2011-01-24 00:13:07 <dooglus> and it takes over 3 minutes to try each one, before moving on to the next
45 2011-01-24 00:13:09 <luke-jr> it doesn't remember its last connections?
46 2011-01-24 00:13:15 <dooglus> so it can take a while to finf a live one
47 2011-01-24 00:13:18 <dirtyfilthy> deadbeef
48 2011-01-24 00:13:25 <dooglus> it does, but what if this is your first time running it?
49 2011-01-24 00:13:27 <luke-jr> dirtyfilthy wins!
50 2011-01-24 00:13:41 <luke-jr> dooglus: I couldn't get connected even with IRC, I had to manually give it an IP
51 2011-01-24 00:14:36 <luke-jr> dirtyfilthy: where to send prize money?
52 2011-01-24 00:14:43 <dooglus> luke-jr: that's another thing - I think the list of addresses it gets from IRC aren't checked to see if they're connectable
53 2011-01-24 00:14:58 <dooglus> people without a port forwarded on their router still show up on IRC, but can't be connected to
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55 2011-01-24 00:15:48 <dirtyfilthy> prize money! 1qZGQG5Ls66oBbtLt3wPMa6zfq7CJ7f12
56 2011-01-24 00:16:31 <luke-jr> dirtyfilthy: sent
57 2011-01-24 00:16:39 <dirtyfilthy> man, there's a lot to the bitcoin client.
58 2011-01-24 00:16:43 <dirtyfilthy> luke-jr: chur
59 2011-01-24 00:16:43 <luke-jr> 10 TBC
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61 2011-01-24 00:18:00 <dirtyfilthy> i have a protocol stack, the script engine and a blockchain class that works in theory
62 2011-01-24 00:18:07 <dirtyfilthy> now to put it all together...
63 2011-01-24 00:19:08 <dooglus> dirtyfilthy: what language are you using?
64 2011-01-24 00:19:21 <dirtyfilthy> java
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66 2011-01-24 00:19:41 <dirtyfilthy> i haven't programmed in java in 10+ years, so i thought i'd bite off my than i could chew
67 2011-01-24 00:19:47 <dirtyfilthy> more than
68 2011-01-24 00:19:50 <dooglus> right
69 2011-01-24 00:20:04 <dooglus> are you closely following the C++ design?
70 2011-01-24 00:20:15 <luke-jr> boo java
71 2011-01-24 00:20:23 <dirtyfilthy> luke-jr: tell me about it
72 2011-01-24 00:20:41 <dirtyfilthy> dooglus: to some degree, my version is a lot more OO
73 2011-01-24 00:21:08 <dirtyfilthy> the script eval function is pretty much a direct translation however
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76 2011-01-24 00:21:38 <dooglus> dirtyfilthy: were you around when scripting was pretty much disabled? what's the story?
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78 2011-01-24 00:21:59 <dirtyfilthy> nah not me, i'm a newbie pretty much
79 2011-01-24 00:22:00 <dooglus> dirtyfilthy: I don't really understand why scripting was needed to start with, or why it was later mostly disabled
80 2011-01-24 00:22:14 <dirtyfilthy> dooglus: i heard someone found a vuln
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82 2011-01-24 00:23:00 <luke-jr> dooglus: scripting allows more complex verification
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84 2011-01-24 00:23:14 <luke-jr> eg, it can require you to possess control of two addresses to spend it
85 2011-01-24 00:23:21 <dirtyfilthy> yeah i seriously considered not implementing it at all
86 2011-01-24 00:23:35 <dirtyfilthy> seeing as the client won't accept nonstandard transactions
87 2011-01-24 00:25:13 <molecular> ArtForz, Diablo-D3 : also after 2.3 > 2.1: miner performance doesn't degrade when using cpu (e.g.: gcc) any more. -> someone's doing something stupid >2.1
88 2011-01-24 00:25:25 <doublec> dirtyfilthy: i'm not aware of a vulnerability being found. I think the discussion was that that scripting could possibly have vulnerabilities since it's not used much and therefore not as well tested.
89 2011-01-24 00:27:06 <luke-jr> doublec: that's a pretty bad reason, seeing as it's still possible to use scripts
90 2011-01-24 00:27:11 <luke-jr> just difficult
91 2011-01-24 00:27:17 <molecular> how can I use aticonfig to put fan-speed back to autopilot?
92 2011-01-24 00:27:18 <luke-jr> ArtForz, for example, would have no trouble
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94 2011-01-24 00:28:18 <doublec> ArtForz was opposed to the disabling script change iirc. He said he wouldn't disable it on his clients.
95 2011-01-24 00:29:43 <molecular> ArtForz, Diablo-D3: therefore some cpu-hogging-shit was introduced >2.1
96 2011-01-24 00:31:28 <doublec> luke-jr: see here: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2162.msg28317#msg28317
97 2011-01-24 00:33:30 <Kiba> chris200x9
98 2011-01-24 00:33:32 <Kiba> err
99 2011-01-24 00:33:35 <Kiba> wrong place
100 2011-01-24 00:39:49 <andrew12> Dun dun dun dun
101 2011-01-24 00:39:51 <andrew12> Dun dun dun dun
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106 2011-01-24 01:02:07 <Kiba> anybody want a job?
107 2011-01-24 01:03:57 <dirtyfilthy> depends what it is
108 2011-01-24 01:04:15 <Kiba> you get to edit a magazine
109 2011-01-24 01:04:20 <Kiba> review other people's writing
110 2011-01-24 01:04:25 <Kiba> giving them feedback
111 2011-01-24 01:04:35 <Kiba> find advertisers for the magazine
112 2011-01-24 01:04:49 <Kiba> and you get 10% of the ads revenue
113 2011-01-24 01:05:10 <Kiba> everybody else needs to get their article approved by you to get a share of the ads revenue
114 2011-01-24 01:05:59 xuke has joined
115 2011-01-24 01:06:24 <Kiba> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2355.msg40810#new
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117 2011-01-24 01:13:58 <dirtyfilthy> finding advertisers sounds like the hard bit
118 2011-01-24 01:18:48 <Kiba> if I can do it, so can he
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121 2011-01-24 01:29:31 <noagendamarket> I want to do something to grow the pay it forward project.
122 2011-01-24 01:29:44 <noagendamarket> need some help doing it though
123 2011-01-24 01:30:35 * andrew12 waves
124 2011-01-24 01:31:10 <andrew12> doublec: when do you think you'll be able to fix the lottery pick on taabl? :o
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126 2011-01-24 01:31:47 <molecular> "I want to do something to grow the pay it forward project."... what?
127 2011-01-24 01:31:56 <doublec> andrew12: I think you are thinking of someone else
128 2011-01-24 01:32:02 <doublec> andrew12: I'm not involved with taabl
129 2011-01-24 01:32:06 <andrew12> I probably am
130 2011-01-24 01:32:07 <andrew12> Heh
131 2011-01-24 01:32:10 * andrew12 fail
132 2011-01-24 01:33:22 <noagendamarket> molecular http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=922.0
133 2011-01-24 01:33:51 <noagendamarket> Is there a way to extract bitcoin addresses from twitter psotings ?
134 2011-01-24 01:34:00 <noagendamarket> *postings
135 2011-01-24 01:34:18 <andrew12> Use a regexp
136 2011-01-24 01:35:17 <noagendamarket> the idea is that people sign up with a twitter account and donate small amounts to randomn users
137 2011-01-24 01:35:29 <noagendamarket> then your address get cycled through
138 2011-01-24 01:35:47 <noagendamarket> randomn acts of bitcoins lol
139 2011-01-24 01:36:16 <andrew12> nelisky is the taabl dude, and he's not here
140 2011-01-24 01:36:22 <andrew12> Hehe
141 2011-01-24 01:37:19 <noagendamarket> so if people post the hashtag #bitcoin and include a bitcoin address
142 2011-01-24 01:37:30 <noagendamarket> it might make the trending topics eventually
143 2011-01-24 01:37:37 <doublec> noagendamarket: have them dm a twitter account with an amount
144 2011-01-24 01:37:49 <doublec> noagendamarket: and a bot that reads that twitter account and sends it to random people
145 2011-01-24 01:37:55 <noagendamarket> yea
146 2011-01-24 01:38:26 <noagendamarket> It would be better to do it with hashtags?
147 2011-01-24 01:39:00 <doublec> With hashtags then people who tweet an address might get random money sent to them
148 2011-01-24 01:39:04 <doublec> which could be a bit confusing
149 2011-01-24 01:39:20 <doublec> especially if it's a 'send once' address
150 2011-01-24 01:39:20 <dirtyfilthy> isn't that what you want?
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152 2011-01-24 01:39:39 <dirtyfilthy> ah right
153 2011-01-24 01:39:46 <noagendamarket> yeah then thye might not know what it is
154 2011-01-24 01:39:56 <noagendamarket> if it comes from an account they will
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157 2011-01-24 01:40:07 <dirtyfilthy> just have a different hashtag
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161 2011-01-24 01:40:23 <andrew12> If anyone wants to search through the logs to find my address (it starts with 1Nk) that'd be awesome
162 2011-01-24 01:40:24 <dirtyfilthy> #bitcoinpayforward or whatever
163 2011-01-24 01:40:33 <doublec> using an account lets you block people
164 2011-01-24 01:40:37 <doublec> if you get people abusing it
165 2011-01-24 01:40:44 <andrew12> As my computer is currently in my room and covered with plastic cause we painted the ceiling
166 2011-01-24 01:40:51 <Kiba> yo
167 2011-01-24 01:40:55 <Kiba> got any jobs for me?
168 2011-01-24 01:41:53 <andrew12> And the walls :p
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170 2011-01-24 01:43:09 <noagendamarket> might drive some followers to bitcoinmedia....
171 2011-01-24 01:43:56 <andrew12> Hmm
172 2011-01-24 01:44:14 <andrew12> Brb
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175 2011-01-24 01:49:43 <dirtyfilthy> noagendamarket: so how is this funded?
176 2011-01-24 01:49:48 <dirtyfilthy> by donation?
177 2011-01-24 01:50:01 <noagendamarket> yeah thats how the pay it forward was done
178 2011-01-24 01:50:10 <noagendamarket> except it wasnt automated
179 2011-01-24 01:51:38 <noagendamarket> I think you could get it into tt if it goes viral
180 2011-01-24 01:51:50 <dirtyfilthy> tt?
181 2011-01-24 01:51:57 <noagendamarket> trending topics
182 2011-01-24 01:52:06 <dirtyfilthy> ah sweet
183 2011-01-24 01:52:16 <noagendamarket> that would be quite an achievement
184 2011-01-24 01:52:36 <doublec> so you long into your account with your twitter id, and then send bitcoins to an address it gives?
185 2011-01-24 01:53:00 <noagendamarket> yeah one that someone posted
186 2011-01-24 01:53:04 <doublec> ah, right
187 2011-01-24 01:53:15 <noagendamarket> they would tweet with the hashtag
188 2011-01-24 01:53:20 <noagendamarket> and an address
189 2011-01-24 01:53:21 <doublec> having a service that lets you pay twitter users would be interesting
190 2011-01-24 01:53:32 <noagendamarket> this is randomn lol
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192 2011-01-24 01:53:40 <doublec> so you can have an account that you log into with your twitter id and deposit money into it
193 2011-01-24 01:53:54 <doublec> then you can send money via twitter commands
194 2011-01-24 01:54:00 <noagendamarket> possibly a twitter applicatioin
195 2011-01-24 01:54:06 <doublec> and the recipient can log in with their twitter id to receive it
196 2011-01-24 01:54:14 <noagendamarket> you give it your twitter login
197 2011-01-24 01:54:33 <noagendamarket> yea something like that
198 2011-01-24 01:54:47 <dirtyfilthy> the problem i can see with this is twitters insanely low api call limit
199 2011-01-24 01:55:02 <noagendamarket> yeah they suck lol
200 2011-01-24 01:55:26 <noagendamarket> Youd have to limit it to 1 specific purpose
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202 2011-01-24 01:56:57 <noagendamarket> Although sending coins by a twitter command would be awesome
203 2011-01-24 01:57:12 <andrew12^mac> noagendamarket: do you have the link to that thread?
204 2011-01-24 01:57:35 <andrew12^mac> the pay it forward one
205 2011-01-24 01:57:57 <noagendamarket> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=922.0
206 2011-01-24 01:58:00 <andrew12^mac> ty
207 2011-01-24 01:58:38 <noagendamarket> If you have a database you could even include those addresses
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209 2011-01-24 01:59:04 <doublec> tipjoy used to have a 'tip via twitter' service
210 2011-01-24 01:59:19 <noagendamarket> yeah i wonder what happened to it?
211 2011-01-24 02:00:19 <noagendamarket> pif isnt targetting one particular person....its randomn strangers
212 2011-01-24 02:00:42 <noagendamarket> what would be fun is to track the coins
213 2011-01-24 02:00:50 <dirtyfilthy> i'd want to use the api to verify they weren't spam accounts
214 2011-01-24 02:00:54 <Kiba> next issue of The Bitcoin Times will be out soon!
215 2011-01-24 02:01:04 <Kiba> tomorrow
216 2011-01-24 02:01:05 <andrew12^mac> what the hell
217 2011-01-24 02:01:09 <noagendamarket> yeah youd need to do that
218 2011-01-24 02:01:13 <andrew12^mac> why does it keep saying the body is empty
219 2011-01-24 02:01:25 <andrew12^mac> stupid forum
220 2011-01-24 02:01:32 * andrew12^mac smash
221 2011-01-24 02:01:41 <noagendamarket> hulk smash ?
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224 2011-01-24 02:02:11 <andrew12^mac> sure
225 2011-01-24 02:03:12 <noagendamarket> http://code.google.com/p/tweetfs/ there is a twitter file system
226 2011-01-24 02:03:27 <noagendamarket> you can send files to users as a direct message
227 2011-01-24 02:03:59 <noagendamarket> I wonder if you could send wallet files around?
228 2011-01-24 02:04:14 <andrew12^mac> heh
229 2011-01-24 02:04:58 <andrew12^mac> it still isnt letting me post!
230 2011-01-24 02:05:36 <andrew12^mac> well here: 1P3qGKngazJ1VZZf2jdkDrPTDsEnmJHNYQ
231 2011-01-24 02:05:55 <andrew12^mac> if someone can post for me that'd be epic .-.
232 2011-01-24 02:05:57 <doublec> noagendamarket: this was tipjoy's api for using twitter: http://web.archive.org/web/20110124015818/http://tipjoys2cents.blogspot.com/2008/12/tip-via-twitter.html
233 2011-01-24 02:05:57 <andrew12^mac> lol
234 2011-01-24 02:06:15 <Diablo-D3> [07:24:50] <molecular> ArtForz, Diablo-D3: therefore some cpu-hogging-shit was introduced >2.1
235 2011-01-24 02:06:17 <Diablo-D3> we already know this
236 2011-01-24 02:06:22 <Diablo-D3> which is why you use 2.1 in the first place
237 2011-01-24 02:06:38 <noagendamarket> updated the thread andrew
238 2011-01-24 02:06:56 <andrew12^mac> yay
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241 2011-01-24 02:07:55 <noagendamarket> hmm is tipjoy still around?
242 2011-01-24 02:08:03 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 206000
243 2011-01-24 02:08:04 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 206000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 4 days, 10 hours, 46 minutes, and 53 seconds
244 2011-01-24 02:08:27 <andrew12^mac> i should write a bot to take 90% of any bitcoins i get and send them to someone at random xD
245 2011-01-24 02:08:51 <andrew12^mac> er, 3 random people
246 2011-01-24 02:09:05 <andrew12^mac> 90% so that i get some bitcoins out of this :P
247 2011-01-24 02:09:18 <andrew12^mac> maybe not, though
248 2011-01-24 02:09:26 <andrew12^mac> we'll find out after these messages...
249 2011-01-24 02:09:38 <noagendamarket> andrew go for it
250 2011-01-24 02:10:38 <andrew12^mac> heh
251 2011-01-24 02:10:44 <andrew12^mac> it'd be funny if it ended up sending some tome
252 2011-01-24 02:10:47 <andrew12^mac> to me*
253 2011-01-24 02:10:51 <noagendamarket> lol
254 2011-01-24 02:10:53 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 313000
255 2011-01-24 02:10:54 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 313000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 2 days, 22 hours, 16 minutes, and 40 seconds
256 2011-01-24 02:10:58 <noagendamarket> home team advantage?
257 2011-01-24 02:11:24 <andrew12^mac> maybe i could have it send them all and if i get them back to myself then i'll just keep it :P
258 2011-01-24 02:11:37 <doublec> noagendamarket: tipjoy closed up a while ago
259 2011-01-24 02:11:37 <noagendamarket> lol
260 2011-01-24 02:11:44 <noagendamarket> yeah doublec
261 2011-01-24 02:12:33 <noagendamarket> All that needs is to recognise a hashtag created for a specific purpose
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264 2011-01-24 02:13:23 <andrew12^mac> hashtags are dumb
265 2011-01-24 02:13:37 <noagendamarket> I smoke them lol
266 2011-01-24 02:13:48 <doublec> how about do it so you can send to any twitter account. eg: pay @foo 100. Your service looks for this in the stream of all registered users on your app. and processes the send.
267 2011-01-24 02:14:04 <doublec> recipients can set things up so that x% of all money received via twitter is forwarded to a random user
268 2011-01-24 02:14:20 <noagendamarket> hmm that would work
269 2011-01-24 02:14:28 <doublec> if a non-registered twitter account receives money it then dm's that twitter user to tell them they have money
270 2011-01-24 02:14:42 <doublec> directing them to a link to get it and telling them about bitcoin
271 2011-01-24 02:14:56 <doublec> you also set up a 'payitforward' account which sends 100% of all received money to a random user
272 2011-01-24 02:15:00 <noagendamarket> nice promo opportnity :)
273 2011-01-24 02:15:02 * andrew12^mac starts singing still alive
274 2011-01-24 02:15:22 <doublec> that way any twitter user can receive and send bitcoins
275 2011-01-24 02:15:29 <doublec> and they don't even need a bitcoin program to be running
276 2011-01-24 02:16:06 <doublec> you could also extend this to facebook
277 2011-01-24 02:16:22 <andrew12^mac> k, go write it ;)
278 2011-01-24 02:16:42 <luke-jr> is there someone here I could ask a CL miner question who won't try to compete against me in an auction I reference? :P
279 2011-01-24 02:17:21 <doublec> apparently not :-p
280 2011-01-24 02:17:44 <luke-jr> actually, it's only a 5770
281 2011-01-24 02:17:45 <luke-jr> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190491988478#ht_3228wt_728
282 2011-01-24 02:17:50 <luke-jr> was wondering if it could mine like that
283 2011-01-24 02:17:57 <noagendamarket> heh
284 2011-01-24 02:18:40 <noagendamarket> If I could write code it woulkd already be done lol
285 2011-01-24 02:19:08 <noagendamarket> *registers paybitforward
286 2011-01-24 02:19:23 <andrew12^mac> hehe
287 2011-01-24 02:23:51 <noagendamarket> code gives me a rash lol
288 2011-01-24 02:23:54 <Kiba> noagendamarket: but you don't write code
289 2011-01-24 02:24:02 <Kiba> so you pay money out of your nose to guys like me
290 2011-01-24 02:24:06 <noagendamarket> Kiba I said that lol
291 2011-01-24 02:24:18 <Kiba> ;P
292 2011-01-24 02:24:39 <noagendamarket> ^_^
293 2011-01-24 02:25:09 * andrew12^mac finds it funny that ArtForz is a Newbie according to the forum
294 2011-01-24 02:26:02 <noagendamarket> andrew thats funny
295 2011-01-24 02:26:16 <noagendamarket> you should make a thread about it
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297 2011-01-24 02:26:26 <noagendamarket> called famous bitcoin newbies
298 2011-01-24 02:26:26 <Kiba> ArtForz is only interested in mining bitcoin
299 2011-01-24 02:26:32 <noagendamarket> lol
300 2011-01-24 02:26:40 <HackTheGibson> noagendamarket: lol
301 2011-01-24 02:26:58 * Kiba is a batshit insane Hero member
302 2011-01-24 02:27:00 <andrew12^mac> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjnM2shYIrM
303 2011-01-24 02:27:18 <noagendamarket> If you could mine coins by creating forum threads id be rich
304 2011-01-24 02:27:25 <HackTheGibson> noagendamarket: no u
305 2011-01-24 02:27:39 <Kiba> I have an insane post rate
306 2011-01-24 02:27:46 <andrew12^mac> http://xkcd.com/177/ -- lol
307 2011-01-24 02:28:11 <noagendamarket> Andrew : cant believe its nearly a 1000 views
308 2011-01-24 02:28:42 <noagendamarket> I wonder who disliked it?lol
309 2011-01-24 02:29:08 <HackTheGibson> noagendamarket: nobody
310 2011-01-24 02:29:10 <andrew12^mac> i love how they sound when it reads hahahaha
311 2011-01-24 02:29:17 <andrew12^mac> its like hehahhfahhaudfhudhfgdaf
312 2011-01-24 02:29:22 <noagendamarket> lol
313 2011-01-24 02:29:27 <HackTheGibson> andrew12^mac: I know right
314 2011-01-24 02:29:42 <HackTheGibson> blue tooth
315 2011-01-24 02:29:53 <luke-jr> ..
316 2011-01-24 02:29:53 <andrew12^mac> someone needs to make flattr for bitcoins
317 2011-01-24 02:30:08 <HackTheGibson> "flattr"?
318 2011-01-24 02:30:11 <noagendamarket> youtipit ?
319 2011-01-24 02:30:22 <HackTheGibson> noagendamarket: howmuch?
320 2011-01-24 02:30:24 <andrew12^mac> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zrMlEEWBgY
321 2011-01-24 02:30:28 <andrew12^mac> flattr -^
322 2011-01-24 02:30:39 <noagendamarket> we are doing witcoin :)-
323 2011-01-24 02:30:51 <noagendamarket> or creddit lol
324 2011-01-24 02:31:03 <Kiba> how's witcoin coming along?
325 2011-01-24 02:31:16 <Kiba> you're not advertising next issue, right?
326 2011-01-24 02:31:36 <HackTheGibson> Kiba: wat
327 2011-01-24 02:31:37 <noagendamarket> I sent an email Kiba
328 2011-01-24 02:31:44 <HackTheGibson> noagendamarket: emails?
329 2011-01-24 02:32:06 <andrew12^mac> creddit sounds cooler :P
330 2011-01-24 02:32:23 <HackTheGibson> sure
331 2011-01-24 02:32:24 <HackTheGibson> not
332 2011-01-24 02:33:23 <Kiba> I am confused
333 2011-01-24 02:33:27 <Kiba> it means no, right?
334 2011-01-24 02:33:56 <HackTheGibson> Kiba: yeah
335 2011-01-24 02:34:05 <noagendamarket> http://bitcoind.org/mediawiki/index.php/Prospectus Kiba can you use that?
336 2011-01-24 02:34:19 <Kiba> ok
337 2011-01-24 02:34:24 <Kiba> so you want to advertise next issue?
338 2011-01-24 02:34:48 <noagendamarket> do it nao :)-
339 2011-01-24 02:34:52 <Kiba> ok
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341 2011-01-24 02:37:14 <noagendamarket> youre the writer here so go write something :)-
342 2011-01-24 02:37:28 * Kiba doesn't write
343 2011-01-24 02:37:31 <Kiba> ads copies
344 2011-01-24 02:37:34 <noagendamarket> heh
345 2011-01-24 02:38:39 darkskiez2 has joined
346 2011-01-24 02:39:12 <noagendamarket> http://www.byteco.in Kiba you should use paper.li for your project
347 2011-01-24 02:39:34 <Kiba> paper.li?
348 2011-01-24 02:40:07 <noagendamarket> yeah it creates a paper from twitter postings
349 2011-01-24 02:40:13 <noagendamarket> you can edit it
350 2011-01-24 02:40:24 <noagendamarket> or curate it
351 2011-01-24 02:40:35 testtest has joined
352 2011-01-24 02:41:35 <noagendamarket> I just use the hashtag #bitcoin cos Im lazy lol
353 2011-01-24 02:46:18 andrew12 has joined
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355 2011-01-24 02:48:25 <andrew12> on my desktop ^_^
356 2011-01-24 02:49:03 Maccer has joined
357 2011-01-24 02:50:01 <andrew12> slowly, it gets more and more connections, and more and more blocks...
358 2011-01-24 02:50:12 <andrew12> ;;bc,blockcount
359 2011-01-24 02:50:13 <gribble> Error: "bc,blockcount" is not a valid command.
360 2011-01-24 02:50:16 <andrew12> ;;bc,blocks
361 2011-01-24 02:50:16 <gribble> 104259
362 2011-01-24 02:50:33 <andrew12> and now i have them all
363 2011-01-24 02:56:38 <andrew12^mac> andrew12: 1P3qGKngazJ1VZZf2jdkDrPTDsEnmJHNYQ
364 2011-01-24 02:56:53 <andrew12> andrew12^mac: thanks!
365 2011-01-24 02:56:54 <andrew12> :p
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367 2011-01-24 03:05:04 ArtForzZz has joined
368 2011-01-24 03:08:10 <andrew12^mac> hi ArtForzZz :P
369 2011-01-24 03:08:59 ArtForz has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
370 2011-01-24 03:09:02 <andrew12^mac> hmm
371 2011-01-24 03:09:16 DoomDumas has joined
372 2011-01-24 03:09:17 <andrew12^mac> ,,ping
373 2011-01-24 03:09:17 <gribble> pong
374 2011-01-24 03:09:21 <andrew12^mac> wow
375 2011-01-24 03:09:50 <andrew12^mac> i knocked my router on the floor and it got unplugged. i plugged it back in and it booted and I DIDN'T PING OUT
376 2011-01-24 03:13:19 brunner has joined
377 2011-01-24 03:13:30 <brunner> How can I finance BitCoin development?
378 2011-01-24 03:14:02 <nanotube> with money. that is usually a good way of financing things. :)
379 2011-01-24 03:14:08 <fabianhjr> Offer products or services for Bitcoins!
380 2011-01-24 03:14:19 <fabianhjr> and/or
381 2011-01-24 03:14:44 <brunner> But what about the development of the app itself?
382 2011-01-24 03:14:50 <fabianhjr> brunner: also, bitcoin donations are appreciated. :)
383 2011-01-24 03:14:58 <brunner> How do the developers currently eat? What if I want to hire someone to work full time?
384 2011-01-24 03:15:11 <brunner> or, sponsor someone
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386 2011-01-24 03:16:14 <brunner> fabianhjr, I don't mind making bitcoin donations. I just couldn't find a receive address on the main website.
387 2011-01-24 03:16:19 <andrew12^mac> brunner: the main developer has never posted any information about himself other than his name and things about bitcoin. as far as we know, Satoshi Nakamoto isn't even a real person, though he isn't the only one that works on bitcoin
388 2011-01-24 03:17:22 <andrew12^mac> if you have some extra bitcoins, i suggest sending some to the faucet so more people can get bitcoins to start with. http://freebitcoins.appspot.com
389 2011-01-24 03:17:25 <brunner> What if I was willing to dedicate significant funds on a regular basis? How many developers are there?
390 2011-01-24 03:17:36 <andrew12^mac> brunner: it's open source. ;)
391 2011-01-24 03:17:59 <fabianhjr> brunner: look around the forums. There are many projects such as the animated movie which we would enjoy being done since it will increase the reach of the Bitcoin Project itself.
392 2011-01-24 03:18:46 <andrew12^mac> 1DoNtWaNtYoUrBTCsAvEtHeM
393 2011-01-24 03:19:05 <fabianhjr> brunner: there is a git rep which accepts pull requests and is the one being developed. There is also a new client coming out soon to which kiba did an interview and is available for sale.
394 2011-01-24 03:19:10 <fabianhjr> andrew12^mac: LOL!
395 2011-01-24 03:19:21 <andrew12^mac> saw that in someone's sig on the forum
396 2011-01-24 03:19:47 <brunner> fabianhjr, where can I learn more about the new client?
397 2011-01-24 03:19:59 <andrew12^mac> bug Kiba ;)
398 2011-01-24 03:20:16 <OneFixt> how many getworks/sec can bitcoind handle?
399 2011-01-24 03:20:19 <fabianhjr> Well, there is the interview I am publishing which is available for 1 BTC and a wiki article on the matter.
400 2011-01-24 03:20:21 <andrew12^mac> its called QBitcoin
401 2011-01-24 03:20:22 <brunner> I don't want to bug a productive dev :)
402 2011-01-24 03:20:28 <andrew12^mac> OneFixt: only way to know is to experiment!
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404 2011-01-24 03:21:06 <andrew12^mac> brunner: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/QBitcoin
405 2011-01-24 03:21:21 <brunner> andrew12^mac, thanks
406 2011-01-24 03:22:29 <fabianhjr> ODT - http://www.bitcoinservice.co.uk/files/80 or PDF - http://www.bitcoinservice.co.uk/files/81 of the interview.
407 2011-01-24 03:24:59 <Kiba> hello
408 2011-01-24 03:25:47 <brunner> Kiba, hello
409 2011-01-24 03:26:38 <fabianhjr> brunner: feel free to buy kiba's interview.(By that we mean Skynet will force you) Peace <3
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411 2011-01-24 03:27:38 <genjix> mtgox: hey
412 2011-01-24 03:29:35 <andrew12^mac> oooh it went below .4
413 2011-01-24 03:29:38 <andrew12^mac> ;;bc,mtgox
414 2011-01-24 03:29:39 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.444,"low":0.381,"vol":5650,"buy":0.391,"sell":0.3999,"last":0.381}}
415 2011-01-24 03:31:03 <fabianhjr> andrew12^mac: nothing to worry, it is still a little bit over the support. <3
416 2011-01-24 03:31:24 <andrew12^mac> hm?
417 2011-01-24 03:31:41 <andrew12^mac> \
418 2011-01-24 03:31:55 <fabianhjr> :P It is still in a rally towards parity-1.15 as S3052 had been explaining.
419 2011-01-24 03:32:12 <andrew12^mac> what is?
420 2011-01-24 03:32:18 <andrew12^mac> the market price?
421 2011-01-24 03:33:39 <fabianhjr> andrew12^mac: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD
422 2011-01-24 03:33:49 * genjix poker mtgox
423 2011-01-24 03:34:17 <andrew12^mac> puh puh puh poke-her-face puh puh poke her face
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425 2011-01-24 03:34:28 <fabianhjr> If you draw a line from december low towards 0.35 you will see it. :P
426 2011-01-24 03:35:04 <genjix> oops
427 2011-01-24 03:35:12 <genjix> typo should be pokes
428 2011-01-24 03:35:16 <andrew12^mac> lol
429 2011-01-24 03:35:21 <genjix> #pokerface
430 2011-01-24 03:36:19 mtgox has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
431 2011-01-24 03:36:26 <andrew12^mac> heh
432 2011-01-24 03:36:37 sabalaba has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
433 2011-01-24 03:37:16 <andrew12^mac> wow
434 2011-01-24 03:37:25 <andrew12^mac> was it really at less than .1 in october?
435 2011-01-24 03:37:35 <genjix> yeah someone bought a pizza for 10k btc
436 2011-01-24 03:37:44 <andrew12^mac> wat
437 2011-01-24 03:39:38 <fabianhjr> Yes, It is in rally mode and increasing in value at a rapid peace. Specially since a lot of people start offering services for Bitcoins. <3
438 2011-01-24 03:39:54 <brunner> There's no place that will let you buy BTC with a debit card or paypal, right?
439 2011-01-24 03:40:04 <andrew12^mac> brunner: there's lots of places
440 2011-01-24 03:40:18 noagendamarket has joined
441 2011-01-24 03:40:25 <brunner> I can't find any that are accepting new members
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444 2011-01-24 03:40:46 <andrew12^mac> brunner: there's #bitcoin-otc -- which is over the counter trading
445 2011-01-24 03:41:15 <brunner> thanks
446 2011-01-24 03:42:27 <fabianhjr> brunner: http://www.bitcoin.org/trade#Currency_exchange
447 2011-01-24 03:43:05 <brunner> fabianhjr, I looked through those. I found one that supports paypal. None of them are instant, though, right?
448 2011-01-24 03:43:15 <andrew12^mac> you can use coinpal
449 2011-01-24 03:43:18 <andrew12^mac> its instant
450 2011-01-24 03:43:19 <brunner> excuse me, one that supports paypal and *new members*
451 2011-01-24 03:43:24 <brunner> oh, it is?
452 2011-01-24 03:43:27 <brunner> awesome, thanks.
453 2011-01-24 03:43:49 <andrew12^mac> i mean it has validity checks but yes it is instant
454 2011-01-24 03:44:06 <andrew12^mac> instant enough, at least ;)
455 2011-01-24 03:44:17 <brunner> fantastic, thanks
456 2011-01-24 03:45:12 <brunner> okay, so, just to make sure I understand... .38 BTC = 1 USD? Or 1 BTC = .38 USD?
457 2011-01-24 03:45:28 <andrew12^mac> 1 BTC = .38 USD atm
458 2011-01-24 03:45:33 <brunner> thanks
459 2011-01-24 03:45:39 <andrew12^mac> ;;bc,mtgox
460 2011-01-24 03:45:40 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.444,"low":0.381,"vol":5650,"buy":0.391,"sell":0.3999,"last":0.381}}
461 2011-01-24 03:45:49 <andrew12^mac> well .3999 ;)
462 2011-01-24 03:46:15 <andrew12^mac> its going to rise soon, now is a good time to buy
463 2011-01-24 03:46:33 <andrew12^mac> you're limited to 40 BTC/mo on CoinPal though
464 2011-01-24 03:47:54 <andrew12^mac> because its in beta
465 2011-01-24 03:48:19 <brunner> "Single orders may not exceed 40 BTC" :(
466 2011-01-24 03:48:20 <andrew12^mac> and so mndrix doesn't get himself fucked over :P
467 2011-01-24 03:48:23 <Kiba> so we dropped 13 percents
468 2011-01-24 03:48:26 * Cusipzzz passes out the kool aid
469 2011-01-24 03:48:58 <fabianhjr> andrew12^mac: if you have a Credit card MtGox accepts it.
470 2011-01-24 03:49:17 <noagendamarket> when did he introduce that fabian?
471 2011-01-24 03:49:26 <andrew12^mac> fabianhjr: oh really?
472 2011-01-24 03:49:31 <fabianhjr> Oh sorry, he doesn't. let me remember who did.
473 2011-01-24 03:49:38 <andrew12^mac> haha
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476 2011-01-24 03:51:25 <noagendamarket> lol
477 2011-01-24 03:51:27 <noagendamarket> fail
478 2011-01-24 03:51:34 <noagendamarket> it was bitcoin gateway
479 2011-01-24 03:52:26 <noagendamarket> Anyone got the figures on 5970 generation rates ?
480 2011-01-24 03:52:35 <andrew12^mac> mtgox should use http://www.2checkout.com/
481 2011-01-24 03:52:49 <noagendamarket> 2checkout is scammy
482 2011-01-24 03:52:56 <andrew12^mac> orly?
483 2011-01-24 03:53:07 <noagendamarket> they have chargebacks
484 2011-01-24 03:53:19 <andrew12^mac> that sucks
485 2011-01-24 03:53:21 <Kiba> noagendamarket: want to pay for the ads now, or later?
486 2011-01-24 03:54:19 * Kiba ponders why he is often on the receiving end of noagendamarket's bitcoins
487 2011-01-24 03:54:28 <fabianhjr> noagendamarket: about 500 mhashes or 600 oced.
488 2011-01-24 03:54:47 <noagendamarket> fabian is that for 1 ?
489 2011-01-24 03:55:00 <fabianhjr> noagendamarket: yeah. It is for 1 5970.
490 2011-01-24 03:55:13 hundfred has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
491 2011-01-24 03:55:23 <fabianhjr> I got a 5870 and I get a constant 305 mhashes and 3015-320 oced.
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494 2011-01-24 03:55:29 <noagendamarket> Kiba you work for them? lol
495 2011-01-24 03:55:44 <noagendamarket> send me your address in a pm kiba
496 2011-01-24 03:55:44 <Kiba> The Bitcoin Times?
497 2011-01-24 03:56:11 <Kiba> 162SpHXkyivTqUF9JiP3GqZYZvGZxn4zTa
498 2011-01-24 03:56:15 <Kiba> whoops
499 2011-01-24 03:56:18 <fabianhjr> xD
500 2011-01-24 03:56:24 <noagendamarket> lol
501 2011-01-24 03:56:48 ApertureScience has joined
502 2011-01-24 03:57:44 <luke-jr> noagendamarket: what'd you give him 50 BTC forâ :P
503 2011-01-24 03:57:48 <Kiba> if all go well, I will have nearly 500 BTC or less if S3052 got an article in by tomorrow
504 2011-01-24 03:58:11 <brunner> Sweet! CoinPal worked. I now have 40 BTC. heh
505 2011-01-24 03:58:24 <andrew12^mac> brunner: that's exactly what I was like :p
506 2011-01-24 03:58:27 <noagendamarket> luke :)- client confidentiality
507 2011-01-24 03:59:01 <luke-jr> noagendamarket: if you don't tell, everyone will assume Kiba hired you as a prostitute! <.<
508 2011-01-24 03:59:10 <noagendamarket> heh
509 2011-01-24 03:59:14 <noagendamarket> let them assume
510 2011-01-24 03:59:17 <luke-jr> XD
511 2011-01-24 03:59:21 * Kiba shrugs
512 2011-01-24 03:59:24 * Kiba is getting rich
513 2011-01-24 03:59:25 <noagendamarket> they assume satoshi is a tranny
514 2011-01-24 03:59:29 <noagendamarket> lol
515 2011-01-24 03:59:43 * luke-jr throws a monkey wrench at Kiba
516 2011-01-24 03:59:46 <andrew12^mac> LOL
517 2011-01-24 03:59:50 <Cusipzzz> lol
518 2011-01-24 04:00:02 <fabianhjr> LOL
519 2011-01-24 04:00:03 <Kiba> ALSO, one day, they will think Satoshi is a girl
520 2011-01-24 04:00:16 <Cusipzzz> no. they WISH satoshi was a girl
521 2011-01-24 04:00:18 <Kiba> thanks to me ;P
522 2011-01-24 04:00:18 <fabianhjr> Kiba: she isn't?
523 2011-01-24 04:00:27 <noagendamarket> theres no girls on the internet
524 2011-01-24 04:00:35 <fabianhjr> noagendamarket: LIES! D:<
525 2011-01-24 04:00:46 <Cusipzzz> on the internet, no one can tell you're a dog
526 2011-01-24 04:00:52 <noagendamarket> facebook isnt the internet lol
527 2011-01-24 04:00:59 <Kiba> 50 BTC, noagendamarket ?
528 2011-01-24 04:01:07 <noagendamarket> ya
529 2011-01-24 04:01:26 <Kiba> that's double the ads price we agree upon!
530 2011-01-24 04:01:33 <noagendamarket> well i want 2 ads
531 2011-01-24 04:01:40 <Kiba> you got 1 ads
532 2011-01-24 04:01:42 <noagendamarket> one this issue and next
533 2011-01-24 04:01:46 <Kiba> oh
534 2011-01-24 04:01:47 <luke-jr> â¦
535 2011-01-24 04:01:53 <noagendamarket> :)-
536 2011-01-24 04:01:55 <Cusipzzz> baller
537 2011-01-24 04:02:01 <luke-jr> Kiba didn't get confused by my monkey wrench?
538 2011-01-24 04:02:02 <luke-jr> -.-
539 2011-01-24 04:02:06 <noagendamarket> heh
540 2011-01-24 04:03:08 andrew12^mac is now known as andrew12
541 2011-01-24 04:03:28 <Kiba> over the past two weeks
542 2011-01-24 04:03:38 <Kiba> I always find way to pry bitcoins from the warm hands of bitcoiners
543 2011-01-24 04:03:44 <noagendamarket> lol
544 2011-01-24 04:05:24 <noagendamarket> Kiba the ad next week will be for witcoin....
545 2011-01-24 04:05:58 <noagendamarket> if its out by then lol
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556 2011-01-24 04:53:43 <Keefe> ;;seen jgarzik
557 2011-01-24 04:53:44 <gribble> jgarzik was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 2 days, 3 hours, 54 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <jgarzik> $ sync_mkprimary workstation ; sync_run # copies workstation work to laptop
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562 2011-01-24 05:34:53 <tcatm> sgornick: bugs fixed :)
563 2011-01-24 05:35:51 <sgornick> tcatm: Very cool, thanks much!
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571 2011-01-24 05:59:41 <HackTheGibson> hello!
572 2011-01-24 05:59:48 <HackTheGibson> nanotube:
573 2011-01-24 05:59:55 <HackTheGibson> niekie:
574 2011-01-24 06:00:00 <HackTheGibson> Slix`:
575 2011-01-24 06:00:04 <HackTheGibson> UukGoblin:
576 2011-01-24 06:00:06 <HackTheGibson> AAA_awright:
577 2011-01-24 06:00:29 hundfred has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
578 2011-01-24 06:00:33 <AAA_awright> WHAT DO YOU NEED ME FOR
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582 2011-01-24 06:11:10 <HackTheGibson> AAA_awright: entertainment
583 2011-01-24 06:11:15 <HackTheGibson> AAA_awright: before I go to sleep
584 2011-01-24 06:11:24 <HackTheGibson> AAA_awright: tell me about GPU miners, especially distributed ones
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586 2011-01-24 06:11:44 <lfm> all mining is distributed
587 2011-01-24 06:12:03 <AAA_awright> Someone interested answer that
588 2011-01-24 06:12:26 <lfm> there is no question
589 2011-01-24 06:13:41 <andrew12> hmm.. if i run a tor exit server will i have a cloak with tor in it?
590 2011-01-24 06:14:09 <HackTheGibson> nah
591 2011-01-24 06:14:17 <HackTheGibson> andrew12: running it yourself gives you plausible deniability
592 2011-01-24 06:14:22 <andrew12> wut
593 2011-01-24 06:14:24 <HackTheGibson> if something illegal were to occur over that node
594 2011-01-24 06:14:27 <HackTheGibson> you wouldnt be responsible
595 2011-01-24 06:14:30 <HackTheGibson> if you kept it hidden, you would be
596 2011-01-24 06:14:53 <nanotube> andrew12: yes, see freenode faq about using tor. (assuming you were asking about the irc cloak)
597 2011-01-24 06:15:44 <andrew12> only reason i don't use tor too much is because last time i did, i got banned from _every other irc network i'm on_
598 2011-01-24 06:15:51 <andrew12> iirc.
599 2011-01-24 06:16:36 <nanotube> heh
600 2011-01-24 06:18:22 <andrew12> yesss I got 1 btc from the pay-it-forward thingeh \o/
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604 2011-01-24 06:22:11 <lfm> 1.00 or 0.01?
605 2011-01-24 06:22:44 <andrew12> now it'll be worth it to write that script.
606 2011-01-24 06:22:45 <andrew12> 1.00 :)
607 2011-01-24 06:23:09 <HackTheGibson> andrew12: write it up
608 2011-01-24 06:24:02 <andrew12> wrote this earlier: http://codepad.org/sMPNaWGE
609 2011-01-24 06:24:34 <HackTheGibson> those look like some pretty secure hashes
610 2011-01-24 06:24:44 <HackTheGibson> but why'd you use Ruby?
611 2011-01-24 06:24:50 <andrew12> because i lurve ruby
612 2011-01-24 06:25:36 <andrew12> gotta start my client with -server :p
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618 2011-01-24 06:29:07 <andrew12> or shut up and be a victim of authority
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620 2011-01-24 06:37:11 * andrew12 cracks his knuckles
621 2011-01-24 06:38:58 <HackTheGibson> andrew12: getting to work?
622 2011-01-24 06:39:03 <andrew12> of course
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625 2011-01-24 06:39:44 <andrew12> http://codepad.org/vIIbly12
626 2011-01-24 06:39:48 <andrew12> :P
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628 2011-01-24 06:43:49 <HackTheGibson> did someone say authority?
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630 2011-01-24 06:44:58 <HackTheGibson> http://codepad.org/vIIbly12/fork
631 2011-01-24 06:45:19 <HackTheGibson> who wants to buy a spot on this worm?
632 2011-01-24 06:45:20 <HackTheGibson> lol
633 2011-01-24 06:45:26 <HackTheGibson> looks like a virus to me
634 2011-01-24 06:45:33 <HackTheGibson> questionable legality
635 2011-01-24 06:45:48 <andrew12> wat
636 2011-01-24 06:47:28 <dooglus> andrew12: add me too to your code!
637 2011-01-24 06:47:52 <andrew12> are you in the thread?
638 2011-01-24 06:48:17 <dooglus> I am
639 2011-01-24 06:48:26 <dooglus> as of maybe an hour ago...
640 2011-01-24 06:50:00 <andrew12> added
641 2011-01-24 06:50:04 <dooglus> ty
642 2011-01-24 06:50:16 * dooglus sits back and waits to become RICH ;)
643 2011-01-24 06:50:31 <HackTheGibson> dooglus: that is what I'm doing
644 2011-01-24 06:50:43 <dooglus> how's that working out for you?
645 2011-01-24 06:50:51 <HackTheGibson> dooglus: made a bunch of money lol
646 2011-01-24 06:51:02 <HackTheGibson> dooglus playing the economics game
647 2011-01-24 06:51:07 <HackTheGibson> its like probability and gambling
648 2011-01-24 06:51:13 <andrew12> yep
649 2011-01-24 06:51:22 <andrew12> HMMM WHAT ARE THE ODDS
650 2011-01-24 06:51:41 <HackTheGibson> andrew12: that is the best way to determine anything
651 2011-01-24 06:51:48 <HackTheGibson> helps make the world more predictable
652 2011-01-24 06:54:28 <andrew12> wee
653 2011-01-24 06:54:36 <andrew12> sent .3 btc to 3 different people.
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656 2011-01-24 06:54:57 <andrew12> here's the entire srcipt
657 2011-01-24 06:54:58 <andrew12> http://codepad.org/8n8Tv38f
658 2011-01-24 06:55:06 <andrew12> of course you need the rpcjson ge
659 2011-01-24 06:55:08 <andrew12> gem*
660 2011-01-24 06:55:35 <dooglus> andrew12: what's 3*0.3?
661 2011-01-24 06:55:42 <andrew12> .9?
662 2011-01-24 06:55:50 <HackTheGibson> andrew12: sounds good!
663 2011-01-24 06:55:51 <dooglus> where's the other 0.1?
664 2011-01-24 06:55:57 <andrew12> in my wallet ;)
665 2011-01-24 06:55:58 <HackTheGibson> dooglus: I'll smoke to that
666 2011-01-24 07:00:25 <andrew12> I should've had it send .1 to 10 random people ;)
667 2011-01-24 07:00:30 <andrew12> er 9*
668 2011-01-24 07:01:01 <HackTheGibson> andrew12: not a bad idea
669 2011-01-24 07:01:10 <HackTheGibson> andrew12: you should have asked someone
670 2011-01-24 07:01:16 <HackTheGibson> if they wanted a nickel
671 2011-01-24 07:01:24 <andrew12> but then i need another btc :P
672 2011-01-24 07:01:41 <HackTheGibson> well I don't have your address but I got a guy named SmilinBob that might loan you some
673 2011-01-24 07:01:54 <HackTheGibson> sometimes goes by the name BoBeR
674 2011-01-24 07:02:43 <andrew12> i don't want to be *loaned* btc, i want to be able to keep it :P
675 2011-01-24 07:03:02 <HackTheGibson> well he might do it for free, just ask him
676 2011-01-24 07:03:09 <HackTheGibson> bitcoins aren't worth THAT much, NOW
677 2011-01-24 07:03:21 <HackTheGibson> when I started using them, a few thousand bitcoin was worth like $2 USD
678 2011-01-24 07:03:40 <andrew12> yeah
679 2011-01-24 07:03:46 <HackTheGibson> and let's not talk figures, but check http://mtgox.com
680 2011-01-24 07:03:48 <Pegasus-Rider> nanotube: here?
681 2011-01-24 07:03:55 <andrew12> HackTheGibson: I know :)
682 2011-01-24 07:04:04 <andrew12> I use mtgox
683 2011-01-24 07:04:07 <HackTheGibson> andrew12: good place
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686 2011-01-24 07:07:00 <andrew12> ;;calc 7.74/0.41991
687 2011-01-24 07:07:01 <gribble> 7.74 / 0.41991 = 18.4325213
688 2011-01-24 07:08:02 <HackTheGibson> what is this?
689 2011-01-24 07:08:05 <HackTheGibson> gribble:
690 2011-01-24 07:08:11 <HackTheGibson> I can't do MATH
691 2011-01-24 07:09:13 <andrew12> im 12 and wat is dis
692 2011-01-24 07:09:17 <HackTheGibson> andrew12: ask google
693 2011-01-24 07:09:34 <andrew12> google: im 12 and wat is dis
694 2011-01-24 07:10:11 <andrew12> hm
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702 2011-01-24 07:53:30 <andrew12> quick, someone make the mtgox value go up!
703 2011-01-24 07:53:35 <andrew12> :P
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706 2011-01-24 08:13:27 <andrew12> hi riush, hundfred
707 2011-01-24 08:15:33 <riush> hi andrew12
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717 2011-01-24 08:43:57 <andrew12> hi MJD, hundfred, larsivi, m0mchil :)
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719 2011-01-24 08:44:07 <andrew12> and malfy =]
720 2011-01-24 08:47:13 <malfy> hi
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722 2011-01-24 08:51:39 <joe_1> does anybody wanna make a couple coins
723 2011-01-24 08:52:48 <niekie> Hm? :)
724 2011-01-24 08:53:53 <niekie> joe_1: how? :)
725 2011-01-24 08:55:03 <joe_1> i need the gifs to the windows 7 x button and _ button normally and when the mouse hovers over them
726 2011-01-24 08:55:12 <joe_1> and i guess when it's clicked
727 2011-01-24 08:56:39 <tcatm> gifs?
728 2011-01-24 08:57:09 <joe_1> or bmp's
729 2011-01-24 08:57:17 <joe_1> i dont know
730 2011-01-24 08:57:21 <joe_1> not jpg s though it has to be lossless
731 2011-01-24 08:57:33 <tcatm> PNG is good
732 2011-01-24 08:57:35 <joe_1> ok
733 2011-01-24 08:57:39 <andrew12> PNGs Not Gifs
734 2011-01-24 08:57:43 <joe_1> as long as it can go on the web
735 2011-01-24 08:58:04 <joe_1> what about that transparency crap that it does
736 2011-01-24 08:58:13 <joe_1> can a png encode that
737 2011-01-24 08:58:18 <tcatm> yep
738 2011-01-24 08:58:29 <tcatm> how many coins? :)
739 2011-01-24 08:58:42 <joe_1> a couple coins
740 2011-01-24 08:58:46 <andrew12> heh
741 2011-01-24 08:58:54 <MT`AwAy> png can do more than gif (it supports variable transparency, but that won't work with IE6)
742 2011-01-24 08:59:13 <joe_1> will IE6 at least put it on the screen
743 2011-01-24 08:59:18 <joe_1> even if it screws up the transparency
744 2011-01-24 08:59:19 <MT`AwAy> yep
745 2011-01-24 08:59:23 <MT`AwAy> and if you do 8 bits png, it works fine
746 2011-01-24 08:59:43 * andrew12 divides MT`AwAy into 8 bits
747 2011-01-24 09:00:33 <MT`AwAy> (basically, 8 bits png == gif)
748 2011-01-24 09:00:43 <MT`AwAy> (just not using a patented compression)
749 2011-01-24 09:00:46 <edcba> joe_1 wants you to commit copyright infrigement for a couple of bitcoins !!
750 2011-01-24 09:00:57 <andrew12> :O
751 2011-01-24 09:01:03 <joe_1> 8 bits? isn't that only 256 colors? how many colors is the x button
752 2011-01-24 09:01:06 <edcba> bitcoin is used by terrorists !!!
753 2011-01-24 09:01:53 <tcatm> edcba: true. I need to pirate win7 in order to take screenshots and see how the buttons look
754 2011-01-24 09:02:20 <edcba> now i wonder if joe_1 use the gfx to make some parody of win7 would the intermediary commit copyright infrigement or not
755 2011-01-24 09:03:50 <andrew12> git commit -m 'copyright infringement'
756 2011-01-24 09:03:52 <andrew12> wat
757 2011-01-24 09:06:45 <joe_1> sorry wasnt paying attention, i was checking on my azureus downloads and looking some things up on pirate bay. now what's all this talk about copyright infringement?
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759 2011-01-24 09:11:06 <joe_1> tcatm: i'm not in a rush, take your time, but what is the ETA on the PNG's?
760 2011-01-24 09:14:10 <tcatm> just give me 5 more minutes :)
761 2011-01-24 09:14:20 <joe_1> ok
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764 2011-01-24 09:24:17 <tcatm> joe_1: email?
765 2011-01-24 09:25:06 <SleepyMartian> Has anyone ever experimented with a dedicated chip for hashing?
766 2011-01-24 09:25:40 <sipa> Art is
767 2011-01-24 09:25:56 <joe_1> its cashcow1234@hushmail.com
768 2011-01-24 09:26:50 <SleepyMartian> I suppose once those are mass produced you know bitcoin has taken off for good.
769 2011-01-24 09:27:22 <tcatm> joe_1: sent
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772 2011-01-24 09:30:13 <joe_1> ok thanks payment sent.
773 2011-01-24 09:30:22 <joe_1> what do i do with them? there's a lot.
774 2011-01-24 09:31:37 <tcatm> there are two sets. one with transparent background and one with colored
775 2011-01-24 09:33:01 <andrew12> tcatm: how much did you get? :P
776 2011-01-24 09:33:15 <andrew12> (bitcoins)
777 2011-01-24 09:33:19 <tcatm> Using the colored background is probably easier. You can just use them in CSS as backgrounds: a { background: transparent url(slice_0_0.png) no-repeat; } a:hover { background: transparent url(slice_0_1.png) no-repeat; }
778 2011-01-24 09:34:02 <tcatm> andrew12: see -monitor
779 2011-01-24 09:35:26 <joe_1> and depressed is 2
780 2011-01-24 09:36:04 <tcatm> yep
781 2011-01-24 09:36:17 <tcatm> I hope the colors are correct, I only used screenshots
782 2011-01-24 09:36:21 <niekie> Heh, he left -monitor just before the TX :P
783 2011-01-24 09:36:22 <andrew12> tcatm: I just returned so I don't see anything other than the block ;)
784 2011-01-24 09:36:33 <tcatm> niekie: no he didn't ;)
785 2011-01-24 09:36:54 <niekie> Oh. :)
786 2011-01-24 09:37:21 <andrew12> I did... I unplugged my ethernet cable... and irssi was like "omg lag: 182" and i was like oh, i should probably plug it back in
787 2011-01-24 09:37:22 <niekie> My correlation skills aren't that high at this moment of the day :D
788 2011-01-24 09:38:01 * andrew12 corellates niekie
789 2011-01-24 09:38:09 <andrew12> correlates even
790 2011-01-24 09:39:41 <andrew12> tcatm: no really. i never saw it.
791 2011-01-24 09:39:59 <andrew12> unless it's .2 btc
792 2011-01-24 09:40:51 <tcatm> andrew12: check the block at BBE
793 2011-01-24 09:41:05 <andrew12> good idea =D
794 2011-01-24 09:41:43 <andrew12> is it.... 5? :p
795 2011-01-24 09:42:28 <tcatm> could be
796 2011-01-24 09:42:37 <andrew12> hehe
797 2011-01-24 09:50:51 <joe_1> these png's seem really tiny.. they seem to be 28 x 15 and coming out looking a little small
798 2011-01-24 09:52:30 <tcatm> can you give more information where you want to use them?
799 2011-01-24 09:53:06 <joe_1> in a website
800 2011-01-24 09:53:38 <tcatm> what website? how does the design look like and where should the buttons appear in there?
801 2011-01-24 09:54:35 <joe_1> go to http://94.75.220.253:10619/index_pulldown.php Log in, and choose "Cow Mail" by clicking on the bitocin at the top left. there you'll see the X button
802 2011-01-24 09:55:45 <joe_1> it might just be my imagination, but it seems small.
803 2011-01-24 09:58:40 <tcatm> will the background/border be changed later?
804 2011-01-24 09:59:06 <joe_1> it might, i need a color specialist to help me choose a better color scheme
805 2011-01-24 10:00:06 <tcatm> when using win7 buttons blue/cyan is the only choice
806 2011-01-24 10:01:45 <joe_1> o
807 2011-01-24 10:02:01 <joe_1> for what, the overall color scheme? just the title bar?
808 2011-01-24 10:02:40 <tcatm> Complete scheme. Well, we could change the button color, too.
809 2011-01-24 10:04:03 SleepyMartian is now known as MartianW
810 2011-01-24 10:04:09 <tcatm> I can offer complete webdesign service but that's a little bit more expensive at about 500 BTC.
811 2011-01-24 10:04:13 <joe_1> yeah, i'm not going for a windows replication, i just don't want people to think they're on a website. and i want them to think they're winning money and they have to be on the site at all times
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814 2011-01-24 10:05:20 <joe_1> my web site has a lot of hooks into the back end (php)
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816 2011-01-24 10:06:46 <tcatm> That makes it a little bit more complicated
817 2011-01-24 10:07:34 <andrew12> heh, apparently NaN*0 is NaN
818 2011-01-24 10:07:57 <tcatm> andrew12: seems correct
819 2011-01-24 10:08:40 <andrew12> and 3628800.0**77874456.0 is infinity
820 2011-01-24 10:09:54 <tcatm> Says who?
821 2011-01-24 10:10:42 <andrew12> Ruby.
822 2011-01-24 10:10:54 <joe_1> floating point doesnt have an infinity
823 2011-01-24 10:11:02 <andrew12> boom?
824 2011-01-24 10:11:14 <andrew12> >> 3628800.0**77874456.0
825 2011-01-24 10:11:14 <andrew12> => Infinity
826 2011-01-24 10:11:49 <sipa> IEEE 754 does define infinity
827 2011-01-24 10:11:50 <andrew12> i also get Infinity if I divide any float by zero (which makes sense kinda), but not an integer
828 2011-01-24 10:13:16 * tcatm needs a faster computer. My calculator uses 200 MB memory and is computing for > 6 minutes now.
829 2011-01-24 10:15:22 <joe_1> so floating point defines NaN, and infinity?
830 2011-01-24 10:15:28 <andrew12> yes
831 2011-01-24 10:15:40 <andrew12> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_754-2008
832 2011-01-24 10:16:35 <joe_1> i grepped the article for infinity and found nothing
833 2011-01-24 10:16:53 <sipa> +infinity and -infinity
834 2011-01-24 10:16:55 <sipa> even
835 2011-01-24 10:17:46 <joe_1> wow, i guarantee the article used to go into more depth about nan and infinity, but it was deleted.
836 2011-01-24 10:17:53 <joe_1> i hate wikipedia so much
837 2011-01-24 10:18:28 <andrew12> Two infinities: +â and ââ.
838 2011-01-24 10:19:46 <joe_1> yep, i see it in the talk page. they are forbidden from talking about the actual bit pattern in the article.
839 2011-01-24 10:22:40 <andrew12> heh
840 2011-01-24 10:22:49 <edcba> joe_1: using pictures from win7 may be copyright infrigement (not that i really care)
841 2011-01-24 10:24:02 <andrew12> zomg go to jail nao
842 2011-01-24 10:24:21 <andrew12> :p
843 2011-01-24 10:24:47 <joe_1> no it's covered by the first amendment because it communicates with people about how to interact with their computer.
844 2011-01-24 10:25:16 <joe_1> just like trade marks that become everyday names (like ketchup) become public domain immediately
845 2011-01-24 10:26:32 * niekie resynchronizes ops.
846 2011-01-24 10:30:41 <edcba> you don't have to enforce copyright like trademarks...
847 2011-01-24 10:30:53 <edcba> it's unalienable afaik :)
848 2011-01-24 10:31:23 <joe_1> i get the two confused
849 2011-01-24 10:31:49 <edcba> anyway i'm quite against IP so don't be afraid :)
850 2011-01-24 10:31:58 <edcba> and i doubt microsoft cares about that
851 2011-01-24 10:32:19 <edcba> (unless you want to do something extremly stupid)
852 2011-01-24 10:32:37 <andrew12> niekie: ooh, me too!
853 2011-01-24 10:32:39 <andrew12> :p
854 2011-01-24 10:38:45 <joe_1> yeah, gates is done with microsoft
855 2011-01-24 10:39:20 <andrew12> and steve jobs is done going to apple daily
856 2011-01-24 10:39:33 <andrew12> But Linus isn't done!
857 2011-01-24 10:40:35 <joe_1> maybe it's time to upgrade to linux...
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861 2011-01-24 10:59:16 <andrew12> yeah.. JavaScript is definitely not my cup of tea
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875 2011-01-24 11:31:18 <andrew12> wb nanotube
876 2011-01-24 11:33:52 <noagendamarket> hello nanotube
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879 2011-01-24 11:39:00 <davout> ohai
880 2011-01-24 11:43:43 <UukGoblin> oh, bitcoinexchange is no longer 'temporarily unavailable', it's now 'discontinued for the time being'
881 2011-01-24 11:46:52 <Sirius> yeah, mtgox and btcex both accept eur wires these days
882 2011-01-24 11:48:37 <ArtForz> and bc
883 2011-01-24 11:50:14 <Sirius> bitcoinexchange's strength was the ability to buy and sell without registration
884 2011-01-24 11:50:20 <Sirius> and sms buying
885 2011-01-24 11:50:50 <ThomasV> isn't sms buying very expensive ?
886 2011-01-24 11:51:10 <Sirius> yes, about 50% transaction costs
887 2011-01-24 11:51:26 <Sirius> but it's quick and easy if you just want to get a few coins
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889 2011-01-24 11:54:44 <UukGoblin> hmm
890 2011-01-24 11:55:15 <UukGoblin> what I liked in bitcoinexchange was 1. independence from 'willing buyers and sellers' and 2. the eur wires
891 2011-01-24 11:55:26 <UukGoblin> do those sites accept EUR wires in both ways?
892 2011-01-24 11:55:31 <Sirius> yes
893 2011-01-24 11:55:37 <UukGoblin> oh, cool.
894 2011-01-24 11:55:48 <UukGoblin> I should probably check them out then
895 2011-01-24 11:56:10 <Sirius> I might set up bitcoinexchange again some day, but with predefined rates
896 2011-01-24 11:56:27 <Sirius> it sucks if the customer doesn't know the rate beforehand :P
897 2011-01-24 11:56:30 <UukGoblin> hm, the rate adjustment function was a nice idea
898 2011-01-24 11:56:44 <UukGoblin> just show it more real-time so the user sees it when he makes the transaction
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900 2011-01-24 11:56:54 <UukGoblin> and it would need some more automation with the transfers
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902 2011-01-24 12:06:37 <UukGoblin> hmm, mtgox doesn't seem to have an option to trade in eur...
903 2011-01-24 12:06:43 <UukGoblin> oh, I can add /dollars/ via an euro transfer
904 2011-01-24 12:06:43 <UukGoblin> hrm.
905 2011-01-24 12:06:44 <sipa> no, everything is converted to USD
906 2011-01-24 12:07:06 <sipa> yes
907 2011-01-24 12:07:09 <sipa> with a fee
908 2011-01-24 12:07:13 <UukGoblin> and you can only withdraw using LR so it's not exactly 2-way
909 2011-01-24 12:08:21 <ArtForz> iirc mtgox does eur withdrawals, manually
910 2011-01-24 12:08:30 <UukGoblin> ah.
911 2011-01-24 12:09:47 <UukGoblin> and you can send mtgox $ to some other account?
912 2011-01-24 12:09:54 <UukGoblin> I don't see an option for that :-[
913 2011-01-24 12:10:02 <ArtForz> ?
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915 2011-01-24 12:10:34 <ArtForz> you used to be able to, looks like it's gone again
916 2011-01-24 12:10:38 <davout> mtgox will wire you back if it's over 800 iirc
917 2011-01-24 12:10:46 <ArtForz> yep
918 2011-01-24 12:10:56 <ArtForz> and charge 2% for the convenience
919 2011-01-24 12:11:00 <davout> bc will only for over 9000 amounts
920 2011-01-24 12:11:19 <UukGoblin> ah, thanks
921 2011-01-24 12:11:49 <davout> bc will actually get the ability to transfer money to other bc users and by e-mail in a few days (as a propagandist side note :D)
922 2011-01-24 12:12:13 <ArtForz> cool
923 2011-01-24 12:12:23 <davout> i hope that the get-bc-eur in otc trades will help increase the volume
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928 2011-01-24 12:27:40 <cosurgi> ;;bc,calc 729784
929 2011-01-24 12:27:42 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 729784 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 1 day, 6 hours, 8 minutes, and 30 seconds
930 2011-01-24 12:29:04 <andrew12> ;;bc,calc 102010201020
931 2011-01-24 12:29:05 <gribble> Error: '0.776285889912' is not a valid integer.
932 2011-01-24 12:29:11 <andrew12> wat
933 2011-01-24 12:29:14 <andrew12> ;;bc,calc 102010
934 2011-01-24 12:29:15 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 102010 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 1 week, 1 day, 23 hours, 38 minutes, and 7 seconds
935 2011-01-24 12:29:18 <andrew12> ;;bc,calc 1020100
936 2011-01-24 12:29:18 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1020100 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 21 hours, 33 minutes, and 48 seconds
937 2011-01-24 12:29:21 <andrew12> ;;bc,calc 10201000
938 2011-01-24 12:29:22 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 10201000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 2 hours, 9 minutes, and 22 seconds
939 2011-01-24 12:29:28 <andrew12> I wish my computer was THAT fast!
940 2011-01-24 12:29:29 <andrew12> :p
941 2011-01-24 12:30:23 <andrew12> oh my gosh
942 2011-01-24 12:30:37 <andrew12> ;;rainbow doesn't everyone ever love rainbows!?
943 2011-01-24 12:30:37 <gribble> doesn't everyone ever love rainbows!?
944 2011-01-24 12:30:41 <andrew12> damn +c
945 2011-01-24 12:31:35 <andrew12> ;;jeffk hahaha this is retarded
946 2011-01-24 12:31:36 <gribble> hahaha htois soi retadre lolhahhahhah!!~!~!~
947 2011-01-24 12:32:24 <sipa> ;;jeffk ok, who or what is jeffk?
948 2011-01-24 12:32:24 <gribble> NO YUO l0ll0ll0llol~!!~~!
949 2011-01-24 12:32:33 <sipa> ;;jeffk ok, who or what is jeffk
950 2011-01-24 12:32:34 <gribble> OK, WHO OR WHAT SI JEFFK HAHHAH~!!~!~
951 2011-01-24 12:32:41 mtgox has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
952 2011-01-24 12:34:26 <sipa> this week's /. poll lacks an import option :(
953 2011-01-24 12:35:59 <ArtForz> import antigravity?
954 2011-01-24 12:41:15 <andrew12> haha
955 2011-01-24 12:42:53 <andrew12> oh look a new xkcd! lol
956 2011-01-24 12:44:18 <andrew12> ;;outfilter jeffk
957 2011-01-24 12:44:19 <gribble> Error: You don't have the #bitcoin-dev,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
958 2011-01-24 12:44:21 <andrew12> aww
959 2011-01-24 12:44:25 <andrew12> lol
960 2011-01-24 12:45:13 <sipa> ;;whoami
961 2011-01-24 12:45:13 <gribble> I don't recognize you.
962 2011-01-24 12:45:28 <sipa> how rude!
963 2011-01-24 12:53:33 <andrew12> haha
964 2011-01-24 12:53:41 <andrew12> ;;list filter
965 2011-01-24 12:53:41 <gribble> aol, azn, binary, colorize, gnu, hebrew, hexlify, jeffk, leet, lithp, morse, outfilter, rainbow, reverse, rot13, scramble, shrink, spellit, squish, stripcolor, supa1337, unbinary, undup, unhexlify, uniud, and unmorse
966 2011-01-24 12:53:44 <andrew12> ;;gnu linux
967 2011-01-24 12:53:44 <gribble> GNU/linux
968 2011-01-24 12:53:58 <andrew12> ;;scramble abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
969 2011-01-24 12:53:59 <gribble> aidfhuwcstgloprnyjmxqvbkez
970 2011-01-24 12:55:53 <sipa> ;;scamble wiiii
971 2011-01-24 12:55:54 <gribble> Error: "scamble" is not a valid command.
972 2011-01-24 12:55:57 <sipa> ;;scramble wiiii
973 2011-01-24 12:55:57 <gribble> wiiii
974 2011-01-24 12:55:58 <sipa> ;;scramble wiiii
975 2011-01-24 12:55:58 <gribble> wiiii
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978 2011-01-24 13:01:18 <andrew12> ;;rot13 deadbeef
979 2011-01-24 13:01:19 <gribble> qrnqorrs
980 2011-01-24 13:01:31 <sipa> ;;rot13 rot13
981 2011-01-24 13:01:31 <gribble> ebg13
982 2011-01-24 13:01:57 <andrew12> ;;jeffk the price is dropping!
983 2011-01-24 13:01:57 <gribble> teh price soi dropieong! ahhahhahhahhahhahh~~
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998 2011-01-24 13:58:43 <Kiba> Teppy1: yo!
999 2011-01-24 14:14:10 <jwalck> ;;bc,stats
1000 2011-01-24 14:14:12 <gribble> Current Blocks: 104353 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 478 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 17 hours, 59 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 21915.22395370
1001 2011-01-24 14:20:31 <Kiba> the world...fastest growing economy
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1005 2011-01-24 14:21:27 <sipa> that's like my sport teaching in high school defended why he gave me an A while i thought i didn't deserve it "You're the one that learnt the most"
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1016 2011-01-24 15:12:20 <slush> m0mchil: hi, you there?
1017 2011-01-24 15:13:08 <slush> m0mchil: bitlex have some issues with your miner. Did you noticed that?
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1021 2011-01-24 15:41:13 <Kiba> Teppy1: tap!
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1029 2011-01-24 16:08:07 <UukGoblin> hmm, the 'get your current balance' and 'fetch a list of your open orders' API calls to mtgox should be GETs for REST-correctness-sake
1030 2011-01-24 16:09:20 <UukGoblin> hrm, I've tried both as GET and POST to go to https://mtgox.com/code/getFunds.php?name=goblin&pass=mypassword and I'm getting {"error":"Not logged in."} :-(
1031 2011-01-24 16:12:02 Daviey has joined
1032 2011-01-24 16:14:47 * davout is working on a politically correct restful API for BC
1033 2011-01-24 16:15:14 <UukGoblin> ;-]
1034 2011-01-24 16:16:12 * davout is happy that this API will feature delicious authentication tokens
1035 2011-01-24 16:16:13 jrabbit has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
1036 2011-01-24 16:16:17 <UukGoblin> got some links to free algorithmic trading implementations, anyone? :-]
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1038 2011-01-24 16:16:27 <davout> me! me!
1039 2011-01-24 16:16:47 <davout> i just want the test suite
1040 2011-01-24 16:17:01 <davout> i'll build an automated continuous integration environment
1041 2011-01-24 16:17:13 <davout> and put an infinity of monkeys at work until all tests pass
1042 2011-01-24 16:17:25 <UukGoblin> hrm, you mean you're developing one?
1043 2011-01-24 16:17:46 <davout> define "algorithmic trading"
1044 2011-01-24 16:17:56 <UukGoblin> er, by 'algorithmic trading implementation', I mean something that implements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algorithmic_trading
1045 2011-01-24 16:18:14 <UukGoblin> something that'll automatically buy and sell and get profit :-]
1046 2011-01-24 16:18:39 <edcba> choose 2
1047 2011-01-24 16:18:44 <UukGoblin> lol
1048 2011-01-24 16:18:54 <UukGoblin> haha, good ;-]
1049 2011-01-24 16:19:26 <andrew12> ;;bc,mtgox
1050 2011-01-24 16:19:26 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.443,"low":0.381,"vol":6719,"buy":0.3901,"sell":0.4198,"last":0.4004}}
1051 2011-01-24 16:19:34 <CIA-98> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * r84e7ad9 / serialize.h : Bump version number to 0.3.20 - http://bit.ly/f75N4G
1052 2011-01-24 16:19:51 <andrew12> ooooh new version == new build?
1053 2011-01-24 16:20:19 <gavinandresen> Yes, time for testing; I'm starting the release train.
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1057 2011-01-24 16:24:09 <Kiba> Teppy1: YO!
1058 2011-01-24 16:24:24 <Teppy1> Hey
1059 2011-01-24 16:24:39 <ArtForz> hey gavin
1060 2011-01-24 16:24:53 <Teppy1> Artist is working on an ad for the magazine.
1061 2011-01-24 16:25:27 <Kiba> oh
1062 2011-01-24 16:25:28 <Kiba> I see
1063 2011-01-24 16:26:53 * Kiba tries to figure out how big a typical page is
1064 2011-01-24 16:26:55 <ArtForz> looks like there's no simple fix for CPUID (except not using a braindead gcc version)
1065 2011-01-24 16:27:01 <davout> UukGoblin: oh ok, wasn't what i was thinking about
1066 2011-01-24 16:29:06 <ArtForz> guess we could wrap the CPUID op inside a push/pop ebx pair, but then I am kinda worried what happens on amd64
1067 2011-01-24 16:29:48 <sipa> what is the problem with cpuid?
1068 2011-01-24 16:30:08 <ArtForz> we don't declare ebx and edx clobbered
1069 2011-01-24 16:30:29 <ArtForz> = it overwrites registers the compiler might be currently using for something
1070 2011-01-24 16:30:40 <sipa> and it isn't possible to mark them clobbered?
1071 2011-01-24 16:31:02 <ArtForz> well, it works with most gcc versions
1072 2011-01-24 16:31:41 <ArtForz> except some gccs error because you're clobbering a register gcc wants to use internally for PIC mode
1073 2011-01-24 16:32:00 <ArtForz> others just properly wrap your code in a push/pop pair
1074 2011-01-24 16:33:10 <gavinandresen> I wonder how much hashing power would be lost if the next version of bitcoin simply didn't do the CPUID auto-detect thing...
1075 2011-01-24 16:34:01 <ArtForz> yeah... especially as there's cpuminer
1076 2011-01-24 16:34:11 <andrew12> 0987654321.
1077 2011-01-24 16:34:32 <ArtForz> gesundheit.
1078 2011-01-24 16:34:35 <gavinandresen> andrew12: I think you're off-by-one there.
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1080 2011-01-24 16:35:38 <ArtForz> hrrrm, I'll have to check the amd64 docs if CPUID only clobbers eXx or also the high bits in 64 bit mode
1081 2011-01-24 16:36:03 <ArtForz> if it's only the lower 32 bits a push/pop ebx should be fine
1082 2011-01-24 16:38:48 <ArtForz> docs say lower 32 bits only
1083 2011-01-24 16:40:31 <gavinandresen> Yeah, but is it worth adding a workaround for a gcc bug for a feature that really isn't worthwhile any more?
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1086 2011-01-24 16:41:28 <ArtForz> hrrm... if we're dropping sse support, can we get rid of cryptopp altogether?
1087 2011-01-24 16:41:57 <gavinandresen> Smaller is better, in my humble opinion.
1088 2011-01-24 16:43:13 <lfm> drop all mining in server
1089 2011-01-24 16:43:24 <ArtForz> because carrying parts of cryptopp with hacked up config headers around feels very hackish
1090 2011-01-24 16:44:30 <andrew12> 1234567890?
1091 2011-01-24 16:44:35 <fabianhjr> Kiba: How are you?
1092 2011-01-24 16:44:49 <molecular> what's the p2p bootstrapping channel?
1093 2011-01-24 16:45:02 <nanotube> UukGoblin: maybe try http://www.marketcetera.com/site/
1094 2011-01-24 16:45:37 <ArtForz> doesnt look like replacing cryptopp with plain ole openssl sha256 should be a big problem
1095 2011-01-24 16:45:38 <andrew12> molecular: for bitcoin?
1096 2011-01-24 16:45:57 <molecular> yeah
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1098 2011-01-24 16:46:21 <andrew12> irc.lfnet.org iirc #bitcoin
1099 2011-01-24 16:46:29 <andrew12> ya
1100 2011-01-24 16:46:32 <molecular> thanks
1101 2011-01-24 16:47:31 <ArtForz> dunno, I'd kinda like keeping a miner in mainline as a reference
1102 2011-01-24 16:48:09 <gavinandresen> I think a c++ miner in mainline is a good idea, if only to make it easy to generate coins on -testnet
1103 2011-01-24 16:48:50 <gavinandresen> I predict a huge uproar if Generate Coins disappeared from the GUI....
1104 2011-01-24 16:49:30 <ArtForz> yep
1105 2011-01-24 16:49:32 <lfm> ya i spoze the mswin side would be upset mainly
1106 2011-01-24 16:50:16 <ArtForz> err... why?
1107 2011-01-24 16:50:24 <lfm> be bad enuf if their khash/s drops
1108 2011-01-24 16:50:28 <ArtForz> does cpuminer not work on windows?
1109 2011-01-24 16:51:53 <ArtForz> but yeah, I guess making the user jump through hoops just to keep their CPU hashrate will be pretty unpopular
1110 2011-01-24 16:52:41 <lfm> there is a windows version of cpuminer but I never needed it
1111 2011-01-24 16:52:57 <sipa> many people are attracted to bitcoin initially by the idea that they can generate money themselves... soon realizing how damn slow/impossible that is currently, and leaving
1112 2011-01-24 16:53:02 <sipa> i think
1113 2011-01-24 16:53:19 <lfm> sipa yup
1114 2011-01-24 16:53:24 <sipa> maybe if the option didn't exist in the gui client, they wouldn't waste time trying
1115 2011-01-24 16:53:47 <sipa> but that could as well be accompished by showing a warning message
1116 2011-01-24 16:53:55 <sipa> if they enable it
1117 2011-01-24 16:53:56 <nanotube> how about, rename the option from 'generate coins' to 'enable block hashing'
1118 2011-01-24 16:54:14 <nanotube> a lot less 'bait and switch'-y
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1120 2011-01-24 16:55:05 <ArtForz> ;;bc,calc 175000
1121 2011-01-24 16:55:08 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 175000 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 5 days, 5 hours, 41 minutes, and 49 seconds
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1123 2011-01-24 16:55:50 <nanotube> or maybe, 'contribute cpu power' :)
1124 2011-01-24 16:56:01 <nanotube> or at any rate, something less "zomg i'm going to be rich'
1125 2011-01-24 16:56:24 <ArtForz> looks like about 1btc/day with a modern hexcore
1126 2011-01-24 16:56:31 <sipa> "Enable wasting CPU power for microscopic chance of gaining money"
1127 2011-01-24 16:56:45 <lfm> i dont think you can really avoid that misconception that way
1128 2011-01-24 16:57:08 <ArtForz> a HD5770 is about 10x that
1129 2011-01-24 16:57:49 <ArtForz> using about as much power as a high-end desktop CPU
1130 2011-01-24 16:58:08 <nanotube> ArtForz: what cpu gives you 175mhps?
1131 2011-01-24 16:58:23 <fabianhjr> ArtForz: you better upgrade to the 6xxx series though, They are way more energy efficient.
1132 2011-01-24 16:58:23 <ArtForz> 175Mhps is a HD5770
1133 2011-01-24 16:58:26 <nanotube> ah
1134 2011-01-24 16:58:28 <lfm> nanotube thats ocd 5770
1135 2011-01-24 16:58:32 <ArtForz> errr... not really
1136 2011-01-24 16:58:38 <nanotube> so 17mhps for a cpu sounds more likely. :)
1137 2011-01-24 16:58:39 <ArtForz> actually thats stock 5770
1138 2011-01-24 16:58:58 <ArtForz> and my hexcore phenom is pretty exactly 1/10 that
1139 2011-01-24 16:59:02 <ArtForz> *phenomII
1140 2011-01-24 16:59:02 <lfm> ok maybe your miner
1141 2011-01-24 16:59:04 <Teppy1> Is it feasible to change the bundle size and rate in a future ("3 versions from now") release? So, 0.5 BTC bundles at 100x the current rate?
1142 2011-01-24 16:59:08 <fabianhjr> nanotube: my i7 930 oced at 3.5 Ghz only reached about 14 mhashes/sec xD
1143 2011-01-24 16:59:18 <ArtForz> 4.1GHz
1144 2011-01-24 16:59:26 <sipa> Teppy1: not very feasible
1145 2011-01-24 16:59:42 <ArtForz> and yes, thats with aircooling
1146 2011-01-24 16:59:53 <nanotube> Teppy1: would increase block collisions.
1147 2011-01-24 17:00:09 <fabianhjr> Teppy1: it could cause some issues and the blockchain would grow rapidly.
1148 2011-01-24 17:00:09 <sipa> Teppy1: the average of 10 minutes between generation may be decreased a bit possible, but certainly not too much
1149 2011-01-24 17:00:14 <ArtForz> yep, would increase collisions a lot
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1152 2011-01-24 17:00:45 <Teppy1> Is block order critical?
1153 2011-01-24 17:00:45 <fabianhjr> Wait, how is a collision feasible on a 2**256 scenario? xD
1154 2011-01-24 17:00:58 <nanotube> Teppy1: yes, it's called a block /chain/ for a reason. :)
1155 2011-01-24 17:01:03 <sipa> Teppy1: it's what everything is based on :)
1156 2011-01-24 17:01:03 <ArtForz> not 2**256, just 2 blocks < target "nearly" at the same time
1157 2011-01-24 17:01:10 <lfm> fabianhjr not that sort of collison
1158 2011-01-24 17:01:22 <ArtForz> and yes, that DOES happen
1159 2011-01-24 17:01:23 <fabianhjr> ArtForz: oh, you mean a race condition?
1160 2011-01-24 17:01:31 <ArtForz> yeah, kinda
1161 2011-01-24 17:01:37 <sipa> fabianhjr: the collision here being two blocks generated at approximately the same time, causing a temporary split of the block chain
1162 2011-01-24 17:01:41 <ArtForz> yep
1163 2011-01-24 17:01:45 <fabianhjr> I hate those. Already lost a chance because of it. xD
1164 2011-01-24 17:01:56 <nanotube> Teppy1: but even besides that, it would also increase the block chain rate of growth by 100...
1165 2011-01-24 17:02:14 <ArtForz> well, reducing avg time/block increases likelyhood of block races
1166 2011-01-24 17:02:36 <nanotube> so in the past two years, we grew the block chain to about 70mb. if it was 100 times more frequent per block... we'd be up to 7gb
1167 2011-01-24 17:02:49 <nanotube> (just ballpark)
1168 2011-01-24 17:03:14 <ArtForz> yep
1169 2011-01-24 17:03:18 <Teppy1> The tiger tree will eventually make it grow less than linearly, correct?
1170 2011-01-24 17:03:47 <lfm> teppy1 ya, could even shrink
1171 2011-01-24 17:03:53 <nanotube> what's a tiger tree?
1172 2011-01-24 17:03:58 <ArtForz> merkle tree
1173 2011-01-24 17:03:59 <sipa> merkle tree
1174 2011-01-24 17:04:10 <lfm> same thing
1175 2011-01-24 17:04:25 <nanotube> so you mean, the pruning of spent tx?
1176 2011-01-24 17:04:29 <ArtForz> yep
1177 2011-01-24 17:04:31 <nanotube> ah
1178 2011-01-24 17:04:36 <Teppy1> I suspect that the value of Bitcoins tends to scale with the number of people interested in Bitcoins...
1179 2011-01-24 17:05:08 <nanotube> Teppy1: heh i'd agree with that. more specifically, with number of people wanting to get in on the action by buying btc. :)
1180 2011-01-24 17:05:23 <davout> Teppy1: yea just like the value of the last beer increases exponentially with additional guests
1181 2011-01-24 17:05:40 <Teppy1> And if not being able to generate coins is turning people away, then that is probably the #1 barrier to growth.
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1183 2011-01-24 17:06:11 <ArtForz> but you already pretty much can't generate with client miner
1184 2011-01-24 17:06:12 <sipa> people shouldn't be interested in it because of generating coins
1185 2011-01-24 17:06:23 <sipa> although i admit it's nice
1186 2011-01-24 17:06:28 <nanotube> Teppy1: there's pooled mining for that.
1187 2011-01-24 17:06:31 <Kiba> sipa: but the largest thread IS about mining
1188 2011-01-24 17:06:34 <ArtForz> ;;bc,calc 17500
1189 2011-01-24 17:06:35 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 17500 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 7 weeks, 3 days, 8 hours, 58 minutes, and 10 seconds
1190 2011-01-24 17:06:40 <lfm> cant solve it by making more free moeny. anyway thay can pool if they want more frequent smaller rewards
1191 2011-01-24 17:06:46 * Kiba is making most of his money from labor
1192 2011-01-24 17:06:55 <ArtForz> and for pooled mining you need cpuminer anyways
1193 2011-01-24 17:06:56 <Teppy1> Yes, but that's a huge PITA, right? Pooled mining is not part of the standard download.
1194 2011-01-24 17:07:04 <ArtForz> yep
1195 2011-01-24 17:07:06 <nanotube> Teppy1: correct
1196 2011-01-24 17:07:11 <nanotube> speaking of which
1197 2011-01-24 17:07:22 * Kiba is trying to find jobs
1198 2011-01-24 17:07:25 <nanotube> maybe... we can allow stock bitcoin to act as a pool client?
1199 2011-01-24 17:07:40 <Teppy1> Is pool client tamper-resistant?
1200 2011-01-24 17:07:42 <Kiba> can anybody give me a job?
1201 2011-01-24 17:07:46 <sipa> if the GUI could be set up to communicate with a remote bitcoind/rpcjson as well...
1202 2011-01-24 17:07:49 <nanotube> "enable pooled mining" box... and some config to allow setting the server and user/pass ?
1203 2011-01-24 17:08:06 <lfm> teppy1 for pools you need to trust pool admin
1204 2011-01-24 17:08:10 <nanotube> Teppy1: it is tamper-resistant from the client side - but requires trust in the pool operator.
1205 2011-01-24 17:08:33 <ArtForz> well, we'd have to agree on a pool mining protocol first
1206 2011-01-24 17:08:41 <nanotube> Teppy1: pool op can't steal a lot, cuz people would notice, but he could skim off a bit. :)
1207 2011-01-24 17:08:42 <Kiba> the labor market is pitifully small :(
1208 2011-01-24 17:08:42 <slush> nanotube: I proposed to allow remote mining in official client already, but I don't know C to make this myself
1209 2011-01-24 17:08:45 <Teppy1> But the pool operator doesn't need to trust the clients?
1210 2011-01-24 17:09:03 <sipa> a bit
1211 2011-01-24 17:09:08 <Teppy1> IOW, I can't claim to have done work?
1212 2011-01-24 17:09:13 <nanotube> Teppy1: not really. see the ,,(bc,wiki pooled mining) page
1213 2011-01-24 17:09:13 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Pooled_mining | Dec 30, 2010 ... Pooled mining is an approach where multiple generating clients contribute to the generation of a block, and then split the block reward ...
1214 2011-01-24 17:09:34 <sipa> Teppy1: no you can't, but you can withhold good results, vandalizing the system (a little bit)
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1216 2011-01-24 17:09:52 <nanotube> ArtForz: well, yes that's true. maybe once the push-based getwork is out? :)
1217 2011-01-24 17:10:41 <slush> sipa: Agree that mining should be smaller part of project than it is now. Unfortunatley, too people see mining as easy money. But new services and new possibilities to spend bitcoins will make bitcoin much more valuable
1218 2011-01-24 17:11:05 <Kiba> joooooooooooooooooooooooobs
1219 2011-01-24 17:11:22 <slush> Kiba: can you program in C?
1220 2011-01-24 17:11:29 <Teppy1> That page is a good explanation, thanks.
1221 2011-01-24 17:11:45 <Kiba> slush: I am a programmer..so of course I can program in C
1222 2011-01-24 17:11:50 <Kiba> even if I need to learn it
1223 2011-01-24 17:12:18 <Kiba> but don't expect me to do super tricks
1224 2011-01-24 17:12:27 <slush> Kiba: how much for patch of bitcoin client to allow remote mining? Users should just fill URL and user/password in settings...
1225 2011-01-24 17:12:43 <Kiba> I don't know how hard that is
1226 2011-01-24 17:12:46 <Teppy1> If pooled mining were common, the block chain would increase as quickly as a higher-granularity approach, right?
1227 2011-01-24 17:13:01 <Kiba> slush: 500 BTC then
1228 2011-01-24 17:13:09 <lfm> i wouldnt recomend trying to modify bitcoin/bitcoind if you just learning C
1229 2011-01-24 17:13:20 <bd_> Teppy1: The difficulty is periodically adjusted so that there's on average one block every 10 minutes
1230 2011-01-24 17:13:58 <slush> Kiba: including succesfull commit to client sources?
1231 2011-01-24 17:13:59 <nanotube> Teppy1: nope. mining pools still produce blocks at current difficulty. they just distribute the proceeds of each block among multiple contributors.
1232 2011-01-24 17:14:06 <nanotube> Teppy1: and, thanks, i wrote it. :)
1233 2011-01-24 17:14:13 <slush> Kiba: *official client
1234 2011-01-24 17:14:14 <Kiba> slush: I will fork the project, write my own change..and then ask for a pull request
1235 2011-01-24 17:14:16 <Teppy1> Yes, I understand the problems with higher granularity - there's the race condition problem and the block chain size problem.
1236 2011-01-24 17:14:40 <Kiba> slush: how about 700 BTC?
1237 2011-01-24 17:15:16 <slush> Kiba: well, I'll think about it. But I think it is too much as it is charity from me :)
1238 2011-01-24 17:15:24 <Teppy1> But I'm thinking about just the block chain size problem right now...
1239 2011-01-24 17:15:27 <slush> (I don't need that and I'll have no income from this :)
1240 2011-01-24 17:15:27 <nanotube> Kiba: start a bounty. :)
1241 2011-01-24 17:15:28 <Kiba> charity? you're paying for work
1242 2011-01-24 17:15:42 <nanotube> Teppy1: pools do not affect block chain size.
1243 2011-01-24 17:15:46 <slush> Kiba: yes, for interesting work, which I don't need ;)
1244 2011-01-24 17:16:12 <Teppy1> Sending parts of the block to 50 different people don't affect the block chain size?
1245 2011-01-24 17:16:15 <slush> But I think bounty is interesting way. I'll add 100BTC for the beginning
1246 2011-01-24 17:16:17 <lfm> kiba wants real work not interesting charity
1247 2011-01-24 17:16:34 <nanotube> Teppy1: nope. cuz at the end, there's only one successful block, that makes it into the chain, which looks just like a regular block.
1248 2011-01-24 17:16:52 <slush> lfm: I know, but it's charity from me. I probably don't spend 700BTC for something what I don't need
1249 2011-01-24 17:16:53 <nanotube> Teppy1: the pool clients just get chunks of possible hashes to try.
1250 2011-01-24 17:16:56 <Kiba> slush: well, I am not starting the thread
1251 2011-01-24 17:17:02 <nanotube> Teppy1: but at the end, only one of those hashes makes a successful block.
1252 2011-01-24 17:17:23 <lfm> teppy1 it is true there are extra transactions for pooling that also expand the chain
1253 2011-01-24 17:17:31 <Teppy1> Right, but doesn't that block typically get split among the people that did work on it? Splitting a block must consume resources, no?
1254 2011-01-24 17:17:47 <Kiba> anyway, gottach go
1255 2011-01-24 17:17:51 <nanotube> Teppy1: it consumes pool-server resources, which coordinates the work. yes.
1256 2011-01-24 17:18:05 <nanotube> Teppy1: but it doesn't expand block chain size. that is an independent issue.
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1258 2011-01-24 17:18:44 <nanotube> lfm: which 'extra transactions' are you talking about? pool blocks include the same number of transactions as non-pooled blocks... namely, whichever transactions happened since the last block.
1259 2011-01-24 17:18:58 <lfm> nanotube pooling does produce extra transactions to distribute the winnings
1260 2011-01-24 17:19:10 <nanotube> lfm: ah well, i guess that's true. :)
1261 2011-01-24 17:20:06 <nanotube> that said, since there is accumulation of balance, which then gets sent out... the number of extra tx is not equal to blocksproduced * numberofpoolclients.
1262 2011-01-24 17:20:24 <nanotube> probably minimal impact
1263 2011-01-24 17:21:06 <lfm> puddinpops miner is interesting that way. he just addds one rather large transaction to distribute winnings. still take more bytes than regular mining but better than other pools
1264 2011-01-24 17:21:35 <lfm> puddinpops pool manager
1265 2011-01-24 17:21:59 <nanotube> lfm: i'd guess that a giant coinbase for every pooled block produces a larger blocksize increase than the occasional pool proceeds distribution tx...
1266 2011-01-24 17:22:39 <bd_> nanotube: depends on how much you want to batch things up I guess
1267 2011-01-24 17:22:58 <nanotube> bd_: well... the current slush pool has min tx = 0.01
1268 2011-01-24 17:23:10 <nanotube> bd_: whereas there's no such minimum for puddinpop's distribution.
1269 2011-01-24 17:23:31 <nanotube> so, by construction, there are less tx in slush approach.
1270 2011-01-24 17:23:39 <nanotube> as long as there are miners that get <0.01 per block
1271 2011-01-24 17:23:51 <nanotube> which is most cpu miners.
1272 2011-01-24 17:24:00 <sipa> but slush creates N transactions for N outputs
1273 2011-01-24 17:24:10 <sipa> while puddinpop creates 1 N-output transaction
1274 2011-01-24 17:24:11 <lfm> you could combine both savings. take slush's distribution and bundle it into one special transaction
1275 2011-01-24 17:24:44 <nanotube> sipa: but you forget that slush doesn't create those tx for every block. they get bundled.
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1277 2011-01-24 17:24:52 <slush> tell me how I can do this with standard client and I'll patch it :)
1278 2011-01-24 17:24:54 <nanotube> lfm: is 1 N output tx any smaller than N 1-output tx?
1279 2011-01-24 17:25:20 <lfm> slush cant with standard client. its a special txn with many outputs
1280 2011-01-24 17:25:25 <nanotube> the former still has to include the amount and the pubkey for every destination...
1281 2011-01-24 17:25:31 <bd_> nanotube: Yes, you reduce the amount of bytes you spend on txins and change txouts
1282 2011-01-24 17:25:42 <lfm> nanotube ya it would be quite a bit smaller
1283 2011-01-24 17:25:46 <nanotube> mm ic
1284 2011-01-24 17:26:08 <slush> lfm: I know. That was some 'speech figure' :)
1285 2011-01-24 17:26:11 <nanotube> well, maybe once we start running out of transaction space in blocks. ;)
1286 2011-01-24 17:26:16 * brunner just realized how many people are both here and in #mises
1287 2011-01-24 17:26:34 <nanotube> brunner: one more :)
1288 2011-01-24 17:26:41 <lfm> whats $mises?
1289 2011-01-24 17:27:02 <lfm> whats #mises?
1290 2011-01-24 17:27:02 <brunner> lfm, An IRC channel for an Austrian (free-market) Econ thinktank
1291 2011-01-24 17:27:06 <nanotube> it's a channel about austrian school of econ.
1292 2011-01-24 17:27:32 <x6763> brunner: i don't think they're considered a "thinktank"
1293 2011-01-24 17:27:47 <brunner> x6763, Mises isn't considered a thinktank?
1294 2011-01-24 17:27:53 <brunner> x6763, how's that?
1295 2011-01-24 17:28:07 <andrew12> oh my god
1296 2011-01-24 17:28:08 <andrew12> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2757.60
1297 2011-01-24 17:28:11 <andrew12> rofl
1298 2011-01-24 17:28:43 <brunner> okay, not in the respect that they try to influence new laws
1299 2011-01-24 17:29:33 <kron> I WANTS MORE BITCOINS! I HAVE TEH BITCOIN FEVER!
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1301 2011-01-24 17:30:08 <nanotube> kron: buy them, earn them, generate them... take your pick. :)
1302 2011-01-24 17:30:23 <brunner> Is Satoshi really missing?
1303 2011-01-24 17:30:32 <lfm> kron convert all your money to btc
1304 2011-01-24 17:30:44 <kron> haha
1305 2011-01-24 17:30:47 <nanotube> brunner: no, just been taking a break from the forums.
1306 2011-01-24 17:31:05 <kron> im thinking of opening a site, where you can buy silver bullion for bc
1307 2011-01-24 17:31:28 <nanotube> kron: as long as you have silver bullion... sounds like a good idea. :)
1308 2011-01-24 17:31:39 <kron> i do lol
1309 2011-01-24 17:31:41 <nanotube> there have been people selling gold for btc already
1310 2011-01-24 17:32:09 <lfm> expensive to ship
1311 2011-01-24 17:32:29 <nanotube> yea it's a much less dense store of value.
1312 2011-01-24 17:32:32 <ArtForz> yup
1313 2011-01-24 17:34:29 <nanotube> kron: but... doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. just go all http://www.nwtmint.com/ but for bitcoins. :)
1314 2011-01-24 17:35:05 <ArtForz> hrrrm
1315 2011-01-24 17:36:25 <x6763> brunner: maybe that's the only difference between LvMI and other think tanks, i'm not sure (i don't know much about other think tanks)...i just thought i remembered reading somewhere about the people at LvMI saying something about them not being one, but I may be mistaken
1316 2011-01-24 17:37:32 <x6763> brunner: actually, it's mentioned on the second paragraph of the wikipedia page about the LvMI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_von_Mises_Institute
1317 2011-01-24 17:38:24 <x6763> so it's not a "traditional" think tank
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1319 2011-01-24 17:39:30 <brunner> x6763, you're right about that
1320 2011-01-24 17:39:50 <x6763> and now i see that it's in there FAQ: http://mises.org/about/3467#what
1321 2011-01-24 17:40:09 <brunner> I still consider it a think tank, because their primary goal is "thinking" and publishing academic papers
1322 2011-01-24 17:40:33 <brunner> but they have nothing to do with influencing policy
1323 2011-01-24 17:40:49 <x6763> yup
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1325 2011-01-24 17:46:34 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/commons/cli/ParseException
1326 2011-01-24 17:47:44 <lfm> apache java?
1327 2011-01-24 17:48:56 <luke-jr> dunno
1328 2011-01-24 17:48:58 <luke-jr> whatever OS X has
1329 2011-01-24 17:49:12 <x6763> lfm: there's a popular java library maintained by the Apache Software Foundation called Apache Commons: http://commons.apache.org/
1330 2011-01-24 17:49:17 <lfm> try sun/oracle java instead
1331 2011-01-24 17:49:40 <x6763> Apache Commons is not a JVM or version of java
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1333 2011-01-24 17:50:12 <lfm> x6763 does diablominer use that?
1334 2011-01-24 17:50:18 <luke-jr> â¦
1335 2011-01-24 17:50:22 <x6763> lfm: apparently
1336 2011-01-24 17:50:30 <x6763> lfm: i've never used the diablo miner
1337 2011-01-24 17:50:41 <hacim> i'm curious about how the process works for finding blocks, when you find one, is it somehow submitted to the p2p network for verification, and then after x number of confirmations it becomes accepted and then you get 50btc from satoshi or something?
1338 2011-01-24 17:51:09 <luke-jr> lol
1339 2011-01-24 17:51:18 <luke-jr> hacim: Satoshi has no privileged position in the network
1340 2011-01-24 17:51:33 <luke-jr> hacim: *you* award yourself 50 BTC in the block you make.
1341 2011-01-24 17:51:36 <lfm> hacim the 50 btc comes from the system itself, not from any central coordination
1342 2011-01-24 17:51:42 <luke-jr> if the network accepts it, that implies your gift works
1343 2011-01-24 17:52:08 <luke-jr> is there any other OSX miner?
1344 2011-01-24 17:52:09 <hacim> luke-jr: the satoshi part was a joke
1345 2011-01-24 17:52:44 <hacim> ok, so my miner finds a block, it adds a +50 transaction to it, sends it out to the network, then confirmations roll in and then I have 50btc
1346 2011-01-24 17:52:56 <x6763> hacim: pretty much
1347 2011-01-24 17:53:02 <lfm> hacim the 50 btc are "new" created at that time
1348 2011-01-24 17:53:24 <hacim> ok, so my client could be tweaked to make that 500 btc, but other clients would presumably verify that number
1349 2011-01-24 17:53:26 <sipa> yes, he is right
1350 2011-01-24 17:53:41 <slush> Diablo-D3: hi, can I have one feature request? Add command line option to use only specific cores...
1351 2011-01-24 17:53:42 <sipa> the miner adds a +50 transactions to yourself to the block, and starts mining
1352 2011-01-24 17:53:45 <lfm> hacim yes they would reject 500
1353 2011-01-24 17:54:05 <hacim> ok, so block is validated once the next block is found?
1354 2011-01-24 17:54:18 <sipa> 1 block built upon it = 1 validation
1355 2011-01-24 17:54:29 <sipa> you need 100 validation before you can spend a generated coin
1356 2011-01-24 17:54:34 <hacim> i'm wondering when I can see my 50btc reward :)
1357 2011-01-24 17:54:37 <sipa> and the default clients demands 20 more
1358 2011-01-24 17:54:40 <lfm> hacim basiclly yes but the system makes you wait just to make sure there isnt any problems
1359 2011-01-24 17:55:00 <hacim> is there a way to track those validations?
1360 2011-01-24 17:55:25 <lfm> hacim just watch the block numbers, after 120 you should be ok
1361 2011-01-24 17:56:31 <hacim> ok, all my miner printed out was the date, and presumably the block number and that it was accepted
1362 2011-01-24 17:57:01 <sipa> what did you mine with?
1363 2011-01-24 17:57:15 <hacim> sipa: poclbm.py
1364 2011-01-24 17:57:17 <lfm> well 120 blocks take a bit less than a full day so just wait a day
1365 2011-01-24 17:57:29 <sipa> using a locally-running client?
1366 2011-01-24 17:57:36 <hacim> ok, so bitcoind getinfo wont show anything until 120 blocks
1367 2011-01-24 17:57:38 <hacim> sipa: yeah
1368 2011-01-24 17:57:53 <sipa> if you start the gui it'll show you how many confirmations you allready have
1369 2011-01-24 17:57:56 <sipa> already
1370 2011-01-24 17:58:00 <lfm> hacim you can look in your log files for detail
1371 2011-01-24 17:58:29 <Diablo-D3> [12:48:45] <slush> Diablo-D3: hi, can I have one feature request? Add command line option to use only specific cores...
1372 2011-01-24 17:58:30 <hacim> lfm: which logfiles?
1373 2011-01-24 17:58:33 <Diablo-D3> specific ... cores?
1374 2011-01-24 17:58:41 <slush> Diablo-D3: chips
1375 2011-01-24 17:58:53 <x6763> hacim: you can try: bitcoind listreceivedbyaddress
1376 2011-01-24 17:58:54 <lfm> debug.log its in some weird directory for mswin
1377 2011-01-24 17:58:55 <Diablo-D3> devices?
1378 2011-01-24 17:59:03 <slush> Diablo-D3: oh, devices
1379 2011-01-24 17:59:07 <Diablo-D3> slush: its not worth it
1380 2011-01-24 17:59:18 <hacim> x6763: yeah, that returns the empty set
1381 2011-01-24 17:59:22 <x6763> hacim: ah, ok
1382 2011-01-24 17:59:36 <hacim> x6763: thats why I'm asking because I'm wondering how I can see this
1383 2011-01-24 17:59:43 <slush> Diablo-D3: depends, I need it :)
1384 2011-01-24 17:59:52 <x6763> hacim: i've never generated a block before, so i wasn't sure, lol
1385 2011-01-24 18:00:20 <Diablo-D3> slush: Im not going to do it.
1386 2011-01-24 18:00:21 <slush> Diablo-D3: for example, overclocking is much easier when I can isolate only device which I'm working on
1387 2011-01-24 18:00:25 <Diablo-D3> it just makes the code shittier
1388 2011-01-24 18:00:48 <slush> Diablo-D3: well, it is probably quite easy patch in device detection block
1389 2011-01-24 18:01:11 <hacim> i think it was this block: http://blockexplorer.com/b/104370
1390 2011-01-24 18:02:10 <lfm> hacim does time match? then it probably was it
1391 2011-01-24 18:02:17 <sipa> hacim: we can't check that for you :)
1392 2011-01-24 18:02:25 <hacim> it does match
1393 2011-01-24 18:02:42 <hacim> and the local miner spit out 00030704, which matches that block
1394 2011-01-24 18:02:49 <lfm> the log file should report the exact block number too
1395 2011-01-24 18:02:57 <hacim> i'm not sure what log file that is
1396 2011-01-24 18:05:10 <lfm> hacim on mswin look for c:\Users\(yourname)\Appdata\Roaming\Bitcoin
1397 2011-01-24 18:05:45 <hacim> do you mean the db4 transaction logs?
1398 2011-01-24 18:06:01 <lfm> no, bitcoin log called debug.log
1399 2011-01-24 18:06:09 <lfm> it is text
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1403 2011-01-24 18:06:39 <hacim> i see debug.log
1404 2011-01-24 18:06:56 <lfm> open with notepad
1405 2011-01-24 18:07:13 <hacim> i'm usin' linux here bro, no notepad ;)
1406 2011-01-24 18:07:20 <lfm> doh!
1407 2011-01-24 18:07:22 <hacim> i'm looking at it and I see the block that I generated
1408 2011-01-24 18:07:31 <lfm> open with less
1409 2011-01-24 18:07:31 <hacim> 01/24/11 16:46 generated 50.00
1410 2011-01-24 18:07:39 <hacim> SetBestChain: new best=00000000000307047a97 height=104370 work=765758731832868420
1411 2011-01-24 18:07:42 <hacim> ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
1412 2011-01-24 18:07:51 <lfm> ya height is block number
1413 2011-01-24 18:08:07 <hacim> i'm still not seeing 50btc when I do 'bitcoind getinfo'
1414 2011-01-24 18:08:19 <lfm> ya wait 120 blocks
1415 2011-01-24 18:08:20 <luke-jr> is there any other OSX miner?
1416 2011-01-24 18:08:51 <hacim> what is the 'AddToWallet 4eb21f1cf0 new' line?
1417 2011-01-24 18:09:11 <lfm> hacim thats the address it puts the 50btc in
1418 2011-01-24 18:10:00 <lfm> you still wont see it for 120 blocks
1419 2011-01-24 18:10:24 <hacim> shouldn't I be able to do something like 'bitcoind getreceivedbyaccount 4eb21f1cf0' befor ethen?
1420 2011-01-24 18:10:47 <lfm> why? you cant do anything for 120 blocks
1421 2011-01-24 18:11:52 <hacim> i'd just like to know its coming
1422 2011-01-24 18:12:04 <slush> wow, over 100k shares in pool round
1423 2011-01-24 18:12:11 <slush> ;;bc,poolstats
1424 2011-01-24 18:12:11 <gribble> {"round_probability": 99.569999999999993, "hashes_ps": 22360338000, "shares": 100375, "active_workers": 365, "round_duration": "5:21:20", "round_started": "2011-01-24 12:45:54", "getwork_ps": 119}
1425 2011-01-24 18:12:17 <lfm> that 4eb21 ... is the wrong format of address ofr that command anyway. You might be able to look it up in block explorer is all
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1427 2011-01-24 18:13:17 <luke-jr> hrm
1428 2011-01-24 18:13:24 <luke-jr> my Core2Quad is getting more shares than my i5-2400
1429 2011-01-24 18:13:46 <lfm> run the i5 on 4way?
1430 2011-01-24 18:13:52 <luke-jr> 4way is dead slow
1431 2011-01-24 18:14:04 <lfm> shpould work for i5
1432 2011-01-24 18:14:44 <lfm> 4way is slow on core2
1433 2011-01-24 18:17:14 <luke-jr> i5-2400, not i5-â?
1434 2011-01-24 18:17:24 <lfm> ya
1435 2011-01-24 18:17:39 <luke-jr> well, it's like 20% speed of cryptopp_asm32 in practice
1436 2011-01-24 18:17:49 <ArtForz> but it shouldnt be
1437 2011-01-24 18:18:17 <hacim> slush: what does that mean that there are 100k shares in the pool round? that its generating blocks faster? that the reward is spread to more people?
1438 2011-01-24 18:18:30 <lfm> did they screw up the new sse?
1439 2011-01-24 18:18:36 <ArtForz> is that using jgarziks cpuminer?
1440 2011-01-24 18:18:37 <luke-jr> hacim: that it's generating block slower I think
1441 2011-01-24 18:18:48 <luke-jr> ArtForz: yes
1442 2011-01-24 18:19:01 <slush> hacim: that means current block is extremely hard
1443 2011-01-24 18:19:15 <slush> hacim: previous record was something around 90k
1444 2011-01-24 18:19:24 <lfm> slush ! hehe !?
1445 2011-01-24 18:19:37 <slush> and average should be 18k :)
1446 2011-01-24 18:19:43 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
1447 2011-01-24 18:19:45 <gribble> Current Blocks: 104381 | Current Difficulty: 18437.64439217 | Next Difficulty At Block: 104831 | Next Difficulty In: 450 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 14 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 21894.22101689
1448 2011-01-24 18:20:29 <luke-jr> (still looking for a working Mac CPU/GPU miner btw)
1449 2011-01-24 18:21:03 <hacim> slush: if the next block difficulty is adjusted in 2 days, how is it that the pool block difficulty is changing like that?
1450 2011-01-24 18:21:17 <luke-jr> hacim: there's always a random factor
1451 2011-01-24 18:21:32 <lfm> hacim more accurate to say the pool is unlucky this block
1452 2011-01-24 18:21:49 <slush> hacim: pool didn't changed anything, just workers were unlucky in finding correct hash
1453 2011-01-24 18:21:49 <hacim> ah
1454 2011-01-24 18:22:16 <hacim> so can individual miners determine that difficulty?
1455 2011-01-24 18:22:45 <lfm> hacim not really, just havnt found a good block yet
1456 2011-01-24 18:23:36 <lfm> if you could predict your luck nothing would be the same
1457 2011-01-24 18:26:35 <lfm> hacim do you understand that if your mining at say 1000 khash/s that is testing a million blocks per sec and every test has the same chance of finding a good block
1458 2011-01-24 18:27:10 <hacim> right, I understand that
1459 2011-01-24 18:27:38 <hacim> i just didn't understand that that pool share number was based on how much work has been done on the current block so far
1460 2011-01-24 18:28:08 <lfm> you might find it on the first block, no one might find one for hours, only the average is 10 blocks/s
1461 2011-01-24 18:28:55 <lfm> hacim the shares add up as times goes by, just means you tested a lot of wrong blocks
1462 2011-01-24 18:31:24 <cosurgi> how long is it looking for current block?
1463 2011-01-24 18:31:30 <lfm> hacim shares are based on how many tests you tried. everyone who is active is running up their shares so your "share" of the 50 btc isnt any bigger neccessarily
1464 2011-01-24 18:32:00 <cosurgi> ;;bc,poolstats
1465 2011-01-24 18:32:00 <gribble> {"round_probability": 99.689999999999998, "hashes_ps": 22379937993, "shares": 106659, "active_workers": 361, "round_duration": "5:41:09", "round_started": "2011-01-24 12:45:54", "getwork_ps": 117}
1466 2011-01-24 18:32:09 <cosurgi> 5 hours???
1467 2011-01-24 18:32:32 <slush> yep
1468 2011-01-24 18:33:13 <cosurgi> but it was supposed to be 10 minutes
1469 2011-01-24 18:33:18 <cosurgi> wow.
1470 2011-01-24 18:33:51 <lfm> no, whole bitcoin net is 10 minutes, pool is not whole net
1471 2011-01-24 18:33:56 <slush> cosurgi: oh, it is only block in pool, not general block
1472 2011-01-24 18:34:02 <cosurgi> oh, ok.
1473 2011-01-24 18:34:31 <hacim> so the interesting thing is that according to block explorer for the block I generated, there is a 50btc fee paid out to a particular address, which presumably would be mine
1474 2011-01-24 18:34:37 <hacim> so I should be able to list that somewhere
1475 2011-01-24 18:34:51 <lfm> ;;bc,calc 22379937
1476 2011-01-24 18:34:52 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 22379937 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 58 minutes and 58 seconds
1477 2011-01-24 18:35:52 <lfm> hacim it will be plain once the 120 confirmations are in
1478 2011-01-24 18:36:45 <lfm> so the pool should be able to do about 1 / hour
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1480 2011-01-24 18:36:59 <hacim> 120 confirmations is different than 120 blocks?
1481 2011-01-24 18:37:19 <lfm> hacim only oif there are forks, probably not
1482 2011-01-24 18:37:25 <hacim> ah ok
1483 2011-01-24 18:38:55 <bd_> hacim: A confirmation is a block that includes your transaction, or any block after that
1484 2011-01-24 18:39:50 <cosurgi> slush: remember me complaining that I had no blocks in 3 days, yesterday, and that I cannot switch to pool, because of murphy's law?
1485 2011-01-24 18:40:01 <cosurgi> slush: I've found two blocks today :)
1486 2011-01-24 18:40:24 <slush> cosurgi: :)
1487 2011-01-24 18:40:41 <cosurgi> So now I'm only one day behind "average" schedule.
1488 2011-01-24 18:40:53 <slush> cosurgi: that blocks which now keep pool shares up!
1489 2011-01-24 18:51:28 <hacim> hehe
1490 2011-01-24 18:51:44 <hacim> bd_: understood. i was just trying to figure out how i could browse confirmations
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1493 2011-01-24 19:07:00 <andrew12> cosurgi: wanna send me one of your blocks? :P
1494 2011-01-24 19:12:07 <nanotube> and another one to me. heh
1495 2011-01-24 19:12:18 <luke-jr> I'll settle for just the BTC rewards from them
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1497 2011-01-24 19:12:34 <andrew12> heh
1498 2011-01-24 19:15:17 <sipa> slush: patching Diablo-D3's miner to use only some devices looks quite simple
1499 2011-01-24 19:16:24 <slush> sipa: do you pull the patch?
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1501 2011-01-24 19:41:20 <sipa> done
1502 2011-01-24 19:41:36 <sipa> Diablo-D3: you want a patch, or do you prefer to keep it out of the main source?
1503 2011-01-24 19:42:27 <Diablo-D3> whats it look like?
1504 2011-01-24 19:42:48 <sipa> add -D, takes a comma-separated list of numbers of devices, and if given, only adds those
1505 2011-01-24 19:43:28 <Diablo-D3> put it up somewhere.
1506 2011-01-24 19:45:22 <slush> sipa: it would be great to have this in mainline (Diablo - wink wink)
1507 2011-01-24 19:46:47 <sipa> let me clean it up, i've done some other changes as well
1508 2011-01-24 19:48:26 <cosurgi> last pastebin
1509 2011-01-24 19:48:35 <cosurgi> err, sorry.
1510 2011-01-24 19:49:10 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: are you going to include ArtForz's http://pastebin.com/EPs5CMaV ?
1511 2011-01-24 19:49:58 <cosurgi> IIRC it upped speed from 560 to 600 Mh for his GPU
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1514 2011-01-24 19:50:34 <sipa> http://sipa.be/static/bitcoin/DiabloMiner-selectDevices.patch
1515 2011-01-24 19:51:46 <cosurgi> ;;bc,calc 732034
1516 2011-01-24 19:51:47 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 732034 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 1 day, 6 hours, 2 minutes, and 56 seconds
1517 2011-01-24 19:52:24 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: it shouldnt be hard to include
1518 2011-01-24 19:53:10 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: I see that function arguments are a bit different.
1519 2011-01-24 19:53:31 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: they're not
1520 2011-01-24 19:53:43 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: you are taking many arguments, ArtForz is taking a C array.
1521 2011-01-24 19:53:55 <Diablo-D3> no, hes taking an OpenCL array
1522 2011-01-24 19:54:10 <Diablo-D3> and how does that actually matter?
1523 2011-01-24 19:54:18 <Diablo-D3> its clear you dont code =P
1524 2011-01-24 19:54:40 <cosurgi> ok, and that array has the same contents as your arguments, I assume.
1525 2011-01-24 19:54:45 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: not in openCL :)
1526 2011-01-24 19:55:02 <Diablo-D3> yeah, same contents
1527 2011-01-24 19:56:43 <cosurgi> btw, this whole openCL looks like C to me.
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1529 2011-01-24 19:56:54 <Diablo-D3> it has C syntax
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1531 2011-01-24 19:57:32 <cosurgi> just with extra compiler introduced keywords, like __kernel. gcc is introducing similar keywords which are not in ansi C
1532 2011-01-24 19:58:14 <Diablo-D3> its not C
1533 2011-01-24 19:58:17 <Diablo-D3> it just has C syntax
1534 2011-01-24 19:58:25 <Diablo-D3> a lot of things in C obviously dont work here
1535 2011-01-24 19:59:44 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: what is line 69 in ArtForz code? it says: for(it = 0; it != 1024; it++) { <- so he is scanning nonce for 9 lowest bits. Why?
1536 2011-01-24 20:00:18 <Diablo-D3> no
1537 2011-01-24 20:00:22 <Diablo-D3> Im too lazy to look
1538 2011-01-24 20:00:25 <Diablo-D3> but hes looping nonces
1539 2011-01-24 20:00:58 <cosurgi> It starts:
1540 2011-01-24 20:00:59 <cosurgi> #
1541 2011-01-24 20:00:59 <cosurgi> for(it = 0; it != 1024; it++) {
1542 2011-01-24 20:00:59 <cosurgi> #
1543 2011-01-24 20:01:01 <cosurgi> W3 = it ^ tnonce;
1544 2011-01-24 20:01:15 <cosurgi> then normal sha256 starts, and is done twice.
1545 2011-01-24 20:01:31 <ArtForz> the ^ is there to trick the OCL compiler
1546 2011-01-24 20:01:52 <ArtForz> it used to be a +, but the compiler tries to unroll the loops
1547 2011-01-24 20:02:08 <cosurgi> it's xor. So you are adding without carry.
1548 2011-01-24 20:02:10 <ArtForz> same tign for |
1549 2011-01-24 20:02:14 <ArtForz> make it a ^ and it magically doesnt
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1553 2011-01-24 20:02:32 <ArtForz> lower 10 bits of tnonce are always 0 in my impl, so it's really the same thing
1554 2011-01-24 20:02:58 <cosurgi> ok. So you just moved the loop on low bits to be inside openCL, to save time on calls.
1555 2011-01-24 20:03:06 <ArtForz> yep
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1557 2011-01-24 20:04:10 <ArtForz> I also only return a "at least one with H==0" dword for 1024 nonces, redo the hashing and check which of those 1024 it is on host
1558 2011-01-24 20:04:20 <cosurgi> andrew12: and this will compile if my radeons are 5830 and 5850 ?
1559 2011-01-24 20:04:24 <cosurgi> err..
1560 2011-01-24 20:04:30 <cosurgi> ArtForz: and this will compile if my radeons are 5830 and 5850 ?
1561 2011-01-24 20:04:37 <ArtForz> yup
1562 2011-01-24 20:04:44 <ArtForz> should work on any 5xxx
1563 2011-01-24 20:05:33 <Diablo-D3> it should work on a 4xxx too
1564 2011-01-24 20:05:37 <ArtForz> to make it work (probably slow as hell) on 4xxx you have to just define rotr the old-fashioned way like Diablo does
1565 2011-01-24 20:05:51 <Diablo-D3> Ill fuck with it later
1566 2011-01-24 20:06:06 <andrew12> hii cosurgi :P
1567 2011-01-24 20:07:12 <cosurgi> ArtForz: so maybe only redefining rotr in Diablo's implementation will speed things up?
1568 2011-01-24 20:07:20 <ArtForz> he already does that
1569 2011-01-24 20:07:35 <cosurgi> oh, yes:
1570 2011-01-24 20:07:40 <cosurgi> #if BITALIGN
1571 2011-01-24 20:07:40 <cosurgi> #pragma OPENCL EXTENSION cl_amd_media_ops : enable
1572 2011-01-24 20:07:40 <cosurgi> #define rot(x,y) amd_bitalign(x, x, (uint)(32-y))
1573 2011-01-24 20:07:40 <cosurgi> #else
1574 2011-01-24 20:07:46 <Diablo-D3> mine automatically detects bitalign and uses it
1575 2011-01-24 20:07:48 <ArtForz> yep
1576 2011-01-24 20:08:12 <ArtForz> I'm too lazy for that
1577 2011-01-24 20:08:22 <cosurgi> the only difference is one extra subtraction 32-y
1578 2011-01-24 20:08:44 <ArtForz> yup
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1580 2011-01-24 20:10:11 <andrew12> ArtForz: you still planning on resetting the testnet? :p
1581 2011-01-24 20:10:18 <cosurgi> ok. :) thanks.
1582 2011-01-24 20:10:23 <ArtForz> nah
1583 2011-01-24 20:10:56 <ArtForz> testnet is going to get an overhaul anyways
1584 2011-01-24 20:10:56 <andrew12> aww.
1585 2011-01-24 20:11:02 <andrew12> orly?
1586 2011-01-24 20:11:12 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: I wonder how faster that'll be on 4xxx ;)
1587 2011-01-24 20:11:17 <ArtForz> yup, new genesis block, new difficulty rules
1588 2011-01-24 20:11:26 <andrew12> cool
1589 2011-01-24 20:12:02 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: btw, why do you feed it merkle, ntime, nbits?
1590 2011-01-24 20:13:13 <ArtForz> mainly because I was too lazy to update my host code
1591 2011-01-24 20:13:21 <Diablo-D3> heh
1592 2011-01-24 20:13:28 <ArtForz> it started as a normal full 2*sha256 kernel
1593 2011-01-24 20:13:28 <Diablo-D3> I can safely rip those out, cant I?
1594 2011-01-24 20:13:39 <cosurgi> omg, I just noticed this struct dev_blk_ctx;, so it's not an array but a pointer to struct
1595 2011-01-24 20:13:42 <cosurgi> :-)
1596 2011-01-24 20:13:47 <luke-jr> anyone know of a usable Mac miner?
1597 2011-01-24 20:13:52 <ArtForz> errrr... no
1598 2011-01-24 20:14:04 <ArtForz> we need those to set up W
1599 2011-01-24 20:14:12 <Diablo-D3> yeah, but I already import W
1600 2011-01-24 20:14:50 <ArtForz> sec
1601 2011-01-24 20:15:03 <cosurgi> ArtForz: why not to a loop on all 32 bits in openCL, and add another argument: target? OpenCL would be checking against target all by itself. That would reduce calling even more.
1602 2011-01-24 20:15:12 <cosurgi> s/to/do/
1603 2011-01-24 20:15:34 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: remember, I cant even change using getwork fed shit anymore.... the pool (correctly) rejects blocks that dont have matching merkle, time, etc
1604 2011-01-24 20:15:42 <ArtForz> yeah, you can just pass in fW0..2 in directly
1605 2011-01-24 20:16:35 <ArtForz> do the fW0..2 calc on the host, pass in those instead of merkle/ntime/nbits
1606 2011-01-24 20:16:52 <Diablo-D3> so basically use my existing work[]
1607 2011-01-24 20:17:12 <ArtForz> well... are you passing in the whole W or something?
1608 2011-01-24 20:17:29 <Diablo-D3> no, just the first three
1609 2011-01-24 20:17:36 <Diablo-D3> I assemble the work array in the kernel
1610 2011-01-24 20:18:04 <ArtForz> I used to use an array for W, turns out using 16 uints is faster ...
1611 2011-01-24 20:18:10 <Diablo-D3> huh
1612 2011-01-24 20:18:12 <Diablo-D3> interesting
1613 2011-01-24 20:18:17 <Diablo-D3> could because of packing
1614 2011-01-24 20:18:32 <ArtForz> yeah
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1616 2011-01-24 20:18:35 <ArtForz> probably more compiler braindeadness
1617 2011-01-24 20:18:39 <Diablo-D3> the compiler SHOULD pack 4 uints in a flat array into a uint4
1618 2011-01-24 20:18:51 <Diablo-D3> since the native regs are 4 width
1619 2011-01-24 20:19:03 <Diablo-D3> but you get rw contention if you try it
1620 2011-01-24 20:19:09 <ArtForz> yep
1621 2011-01-24 20:19:20 <Diablo-D3> I thought about trying it but never got around to
1622 2011-01-24 20:19:56 <pozic> Does OpenCL only work with the fglrx driver on AMD hardware?
1623 2011-01-24 20:20:00 <ArtForz> yep
1624 2011-01-24 20:20:18 <Diablo-D3> pozic: no, it works on gallium... but I wouldnt even bother trying my miner on it
1625 2011-01-24 20:20:23 <Diablo-D3> not for another 2-3 years anyways
1626 2011-01-24 20:20:24 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: it does?
1627 2011-01-24 20:20:29 <luke-jr> why not? O.o
1628 2011-01-24 20:20:42 <ArtForz> but really the diff between passing in merkle/ntime/nbits in and pre-mangled W0..2 isn't big
1629 2011-01-24 20:20:44 <luke-jr> all the driver does is upload it to the GPU, right?
1630 2011-01-24 20:20:55 <pozic> Is there an easy way to switch between the two?
1631 2011-01-24 20:21:23 <pozic> I mean to have both installed at the same time and with a script, restart X, but with a different driver?
1632 2011-01-24 20:21:29 <Diablo-D3> pozic: no
1633 2011-01-24 20:21:30 <ArtForz> the in-kernel loop does ~4.2M operations
1634 2011-01-24 20:21:31 <Diablo-D3> you have to reboot
1635 2011-01-24 20:21:44 <Diablo-D3> pozic: you cant safely rmmod radeon and modprobe fglrx and vice versa
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1637 2011-01-24 20:21:55 <Diablo-D3> it'll usually lock the machine up, or lock it up when you start X
1638 2011-01-24 20:21:59 <pozic> Diablo-D3: why not?
1639 2011-01-24 20:22:07 <pozic> Diablo-D3: it seems like broken software then.
1640 2011-01-24 20:22:08 <ArtForz> another 20 or so opcodes ahead of it don't exactly make much of a difference
1641 2011-01-24 20:22:10 <Diablo-D3> pozic: neither are designed to deal with it from each other
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1643 2011-01-24 20:22:29 <Diablo-D3> pozic: rmmod and modprobe vastly different versions of the same module can often trigger the same shit on complex hardware
1644 2011-01-24 20:23:13 <lfm> i dont think fglrx even supports rmmod
1645 2011-01-24 20:23:19 <pozic> Do you know how you can control the fan speed?
1646 2011-01-24 20:23:25 <ArtForz> yes
1647 2011-01-24 20:23:26 <Diablo-D3> lfm: it does.
1648 2011-01-24 20:23:30 <Diablo-D3> lfm: all modules have to
1649 2011-01-24 20:23:30 <pozic> Or maximum temperature?
1650 2011-01-24 20:23:40 <ArtForz> yes
1651 2011-01-24 20:23:49 <pozic> ArtForz: would you care to share that information?
1652 2011-01-24 20:24:29 <ArtForz> aticonfig --pplib-cmd 'set fanspeed 0 100'
1653 2011-01-24 20:24:49 <lfm> aticonfig --od-gettemperature
1654 2011-01-24 20:24:59 <ArtForz> for temp, yep
1655 2011-01-24 20:25:03 <ArtForz> or short --odgt
1656 2011-01-24 20:25:17 <ArtForz> to get current clocks and load %, --odgc
1657 2011-01-24 20:25:22 <pozic> Where are all these pplib commands documented?
1658 2011-01-24 20:25:26 <Diablo-D3> they're not
1659 2011-01-24 20:25:28 <ArtForz> pplib isn't documented
1660 2011-01-24 20:25:34 <Diablo-D3> pplib is magic voodoo shit\
1661 2011-01-24 20:25:36 <pozic> Oh... great.
1662 2011-01-24 20:26:03 <pozic> Ok, so how do I set the fanspeed to some number such that it doesn't melt away?
1663 2011-01-24 20:26:21 <ArtForz> aticonfig --pplib-cmd 'set fanspeed 0 100'
1664 2011-01-24 20:26:30 <pozic> I read until 84 or something like that is safe.
1665 2011-01-24 20:26:37 <Diablo-D3> 85 is maximum safe
1666 2011-01-24 20:26:43 <Diablo-D3> although a bit uncomfortable
1667 2011-01-24 20:26:47 <andrew12> voooooooodoooooooooooooooooo
1668 2011-01-24 20:26:50 <pozic> Mine is 77.
1669 2011-01-24 20:26:53 <lfm> aticonfig --pplib-cmd "get fanspeed 0"
1670 2011-01-24 20:26:54 <pozic> Er 76.
1671 2011-01-24 20:27:10 <ArtForz> yeah, I try to keep temps < 80, but up to 85 or so should be ok
1672 2011-01-24 20:27:12 <Diablo-D3> Result: Fan Speed: 0%
1673 2011-01-24 20:27:12 <Diablo-D3> lol
1674 2011-01-24 20:27:20 <pozic> How do you know all these commands?
1675 2011-01-24 20:27:26 <ArtForz> magic!
1676 2011-01-24 20:27:34 <ArtForz> I'd avoid > 90°C
1677 2011-01-24 20:27:35 <pozic> The Internetz.
1678 2011-01-24 20:27:37 <Diablo-D3> pozic: the worst problem isnt the GPU temp, its that the VRMs could melt
1679 2011-01-24 20:27:37 <lfm> read forums, google searches
1680 2011-01-24 20:27:52 <pozic> Diablo-D3: I don't even know what a VRM is.
1681 2011-01-24 20:27:59 <ArtForz> Voltage Regulator Module
1682 2011-01-24 20:28:07 <lfm> voltage regulation module?
1683 2011-01-24 20:28:12 <ArtForz> ~95°C core 5970 goes into thermal throttling because VRMs hit 120°C
1684 2011-01-24 20:28:18 <pozic> ArtForz: very proactive that you designed your own chip and are getting it fabbed.
1685 2011-01-24 20:28:27 <ArtForz> efficiency is king
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1687 2011-01-24 20:28:51 <pozic> ArtForz: at which company did you do that?
1688 2011-01-24 20:28:52 <Diablo-D3> a lot of people who do fulltime mining with high end chips throw in extra cooling
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1690 2011-01-24 20:29:05 <pozic> I would be happy getting one block ;)
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1694 2011-01-24 20:29:28 <pozic> I am supposed to get one every 6 days or so with high probability.
1695 2011-01-24 20:30:14 <andrew12> i'm supposed to get 1/year :(
1696 2011-01-24 20:30:20 * Diablo-D3 tries to copypasta this
1697 2011-01-24 20:30:26 <Diablo-D3> lets see how much shit I break
1698 2011-01-24 20:30:58 <ArtForz> probably a lot :P
1699 2011-01-24 20:31:08 <Diablo-D3> probably
1700 2011-01-24 20:31:11 <andrew12> its all already broken
1701 2011-01-24 20:31:12 <andrew12> :p
1702 2011-01-24 20:31:44 <ArtForz> oh, and notice I'm not byteswapping nonce at all
1703 2011-01-24 20:32:05 <Diablo-D3> neither am I?
1704 2011-01-24 20:32:07 <molecular> Diablo-D3, just looked at your java-code for a bit and decided I would wait for you to try integrating artforz.cl ;)
1705 2011-01-24 20:32:08 <ArtForz> dunno
1706 2011-01-24 20:32:24 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: opencl should be handling it for me anyhow
1707 2011-01-24 20:32:28 <andrew12> artforz.cl?
1708 2011-01-24 20:32:53 <molecular> andrew12, with "artforz.cl" im referreing to http://pastebin.com/EPs5CMaV
1709 2011-01-24 20:33:34 <ArtForz> which is my OCL miner kernel, 556Mh/s on stock 5970
1710 2011-01-24 20:33:34 <pozic> ArtForz: can you tell me the name of the company where you ordered your custom 90nm chips?
1711 2011-01-24 20:33:53 <ArtForz> they're not standard cell ASICs
1712 2011-01-24 20:34:05 <ArtForz> metal-defined structured ASIC
1713 2011-01-24 20:34:21 <ArtForz> = FPGA without the FP part
1714 2011-01-24 20:34:28 <andrew12> wow
1715 2011-01-24 20:34:56 <jav> is #bitcoin-market still operating? is there a way to get that streaming data somewhere? (other than from the channel)
1716 2011-01-24 20:35:18 <andrew12> jav: ,,bc,markets
1717 2011-01-24 20:35:20 <gribble> bcEUR: 0.29 (230 BTC) 0.275/0.29 | bcLREUR: 0.22 (1 BTC) 0.23/0.28 | bcLRUSD: 0.435 (114.218 BTC) 0.391995/0.43 | bcmLRUSD: 0.41 (500 BTC) 0.29/0.5 | bcmPPUSD: 0.37 (1200 BTC) 0.4/0.43 | bcmPXGAU: 0.0065 (1000 BTC) 0.0046/0.0088 | btcexJPY: 2 (10 BTC) None/None | btcexRUB: 16 (27.66 BTC) None/None | btcexWMR: 15.5 (0.16 BTC) None/None | mtgoxUSD: 0.4 (8436.19 BTC) 0.3911/0.3999
1718 2011-01-24 20:35:36 <andrew12> its probably from bitcoincharts
1719 2011-01-24 20:35:49 <m0mchil> ArtForz: I'm getting ~550 Mh/s with mine (stock 5970, -f 5)
1720 2011-01-24 20:36:08 <pozic> ArtForz: do I understand correctly you don't want to say the name of the company?
1721 2011-01-24 20:36:13 <ArtForz> yep
1722 2011-01-24 20:36:57 <Diablo-D3> heh
1723 2011-01-24 20:37:03 <jav> andrew12, I guess so... but I would like to get it in real-time as well ... bitcoincharts asks to only poll every 15 minutes, that's a little long for what I'd like to do
1724 2011-01-24 20:37:05 <pozic> Fair enough; you put in the time. But do you have like a hardware background?
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1726 2011-01-24 20:37:23 <pozic> Or is it just hobby?
1727 2011-01-24 20:37:43 <ArtForz> VLSI? not really
1728 2011-01-24 20:38:51 <Diablo-D3> #pragma OPENCL EXTENSION cl_amd_media_ops : enable
1729 2011-01-24 20:38:51 <Diablo-D3> #define rotr(x, n) amd_bitalign((uint)(x), (uint)(x), n)
1730 2011-01-24 20:38:55 <Diablo-D3> lol you took the 32- out
1731 2011-01-24 20:39:06 <ArtForz> I'm rotating right, not left
1732 2011-01-24 20:39:14 <Diablo-D3> er, oh!
1733 2011-01-24 20:39:18 <Diablo-D3> I wonder if I can do that
1734 2011-01-24 20:39:30 <ArtForz> thats why it's called rotr :P
1735 2011-01-24 20:40:16 <pozic> What happens if you set the fanspeed too low? Will the chip simply halt?
1736 2011-01-24 20:40:44 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: do you know if OpenCl could accept a pointer to std::list<uint> from C++ call?
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1738 2011-01-24 20:40:54 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: hell no
1739 2011-01-24 20:41:02 <Diablo-D3> that wouldnt even make sense
1740 2011-01-24 20:41:15 <Diablo-D3> go read the damned opencl specification, noob
1741 2011-01-24 20:41:24 <cosurgi> :)
1742 2011-01-24 20:41:39 <cosurgi> care to give some link? :)
1743 2011-01-24 20:42:45 <Diablo-D3> its on the opencl website
1744 2011-01-24 20:43:19 <cosurgi> and we are talking about OpenCL 1.1 ?
1745 2011-01-24 20:43:27 <nanotube> jav: where do you want the data?
1746 2011-01-24 20:43:48 <nanotube> jav: you can see the source code to the bot plugins that are used
1747 2011-01-24 20:44:37 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: 1.0, 1.1 adds nothing we need
1748 2011-01-24 20:44:46 <cosurgi> ok.
1749 2011-01-24 20:45:00 <pozic> I read somewhere that X/s is better than 2*0.5X/s. Why is that?
1750 2011-01-24 20:45:57 <Diablo-D3> pozic: erm, thats the same math
1751 2011-01-24 20:46:01 <Diablo-D3> 2*0.5 = 1
1752 2011-01-24 20:46:07 <Diablo-D3> 1*X/s == 1*X/s
1753 2011-01-24 20:47:15 <pozic> Diablo-D3: that is why I asked.
1754 2011-01-24 20:47:29 <pozic> It didn't make sense, yet nobody said that it was garbage, I think.
1755 2011-01-24 20:48:02 <pozic> If everyone would try to search from the same starting point, it would be the case, though.
1756 2011-01-24 20:48:20 <pozic> But that's highly unlikely.
1757 2011-01-24 20:48:25 <lfm> are you talking about hash/s? one system at twice the speed is better than twos systems?
1758 2011-01-24 20:48:29 <luke-jr> PROOF OF WORK RESULT: true (yayâ¼!)
1759 2011-01-24 20:48:39 <pozic> lfm: yes
1760 2011-01-24 20:48:58 <lfm> pozic it is better due to power consumption
1761 2011-01-24 20:49:13 * luke-jr wonders what stops him from, upon finding the proof of work, submitting it directly <.<
1762 2011-01-24 20:49:51 * lfm wonders if luke-jr has been on mars for the last 10 years
1763 2011-01-24 20:50:21 <jav> nanotube, I'm working on a website, where I would like to incorporate that .. bot plugin source code sounds great! where can I see that?
1764 2011-01-24 20:50:55 <andrew12> ducki2p: do you use wakoopa? i may have found you :P
1765 2011-01-24 20:51:19 <nanotube> jav: http://github.com/nanotube/supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor
1766 2011-01-24 20:52:17 <jav> nanotube, awesome - I'll look into that, thx a lot
1767 2011-01-24 20:52:18 <ducki2p> shit..
1768 2011-01-24 20:52:38 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: okay I feel retarded, how do I do a rotr if all I have is a rotl? it cant be 32-y
1769 2011-01-24 20:53:01 <andrew12> ducki2p: :P
1770 2011-01-24 20:53:08 <pozic> What happens if you do aticonfig --pplib-cmd "set fanspeed 0 0" and your chip needs more cooling?
1771 2011-01-24 20:53:28 <lfm> it can be 32-y
1772 2011-01-24 20:53:57 <ArtForz> sure is
1773 2011-01-24 20:53:57 <lfm> pozic try set fanspeed 0 100
1774 2011-01-24 20:54:02 <nanotube> jav: np, let know if any questions. :)
1775 2011-01-24 20:54:06 <pozic> lfm: I already did.
1776 2011-01-24 20:54:21 <pozic> lfm: that worked, but I want to know what happens when it is too low.
1777 2011-01-24 20:54:30 <lfm> pozic slow down the overclock then
1778 2011-01-24 20:54:36 <cosurgi> #define rot(x,y) amd_bitalign(x, x, (uint)(32-y))
1779 2011-01-24 20:54:43 <pozic> lfm: I didn't overclock anything.
1780 2011-01-24 20:54:46 <cosurgi> #define rotr(x, n) amd_bitalign((uint)(x), (uint)(x), n)
1781 2011-01-24 20:54:49 <lfm> pozic if it is too low it overheats
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1783 2011-01-24 20:54:56 <btcex> hi all!
1784 2011-01-24 20:55:01 <pozic> lfm: and then, it burns up?
1785 2011-01-24 20:55:19 <cosurgi> lets look at how it is called. Maybe ArtForz has modified the calling arguments, for that 32 ?
1786 2011-01-24 20:55:26 <pozic> lfm: the usual behaviour is that it depends on the GPU temperature.
1787 2011-01-24 20:55:27 <btcex> quick question: how i can get balance of wallet confirmed at least one confirmation?
1788 2011-01-24 20:55:30 <lfm> pozic it might, probably just slows itself down automaticlly tho
1789 2011-01-24 20:55:52 <pozic> lfm: heh, the distinction is kind of important ;)
1790 2011-01-24 20:55:54 <nanotube> btcex: bitcoind getbalance
1791 2011-01-24 20:56:04 <nanotube> btcex: by default that only shows balance from tx that have atleast 1 conf.
1792 2011-01-24 20:56:05 <lfm> pozic ya, so dont do it
1793 2011-01-24 20:56:09 <btcex> nanotube: how i can specify confirmations number?
1794 2011-01-24 20:56:16 <nanotube> btcex: minconf argument
1795 2011-01-24 20:56:21 <nanotube> minconf=N
1796 2011-01-24 20:56:23 <nanotube> iirc
1797 2011-01-24 20:56:25 <btcex> nanotube: are you sure?
1798 2011-01-24 20:56:39 <btcex> nanotube: ok, how get balance with 2 confirmations?
1799 2011-01-24 20:56:48 <btcex> $ bitcoin/bitcoin getbalance "" 1
1800 2011-01-24 20:56:48 <btcex> -60051.16000000
1801 2011-01-24 20:56:50 <pozic> lfm: after a long time it can run with 30% fan, but initially it starts to blaze like an insane (and run at a lower temperature)
1802 2011-01-24 20:56:55 <btcex> this is nottrue balance:)
1803 2011-01-24 20:57:11 <nanotube> btcex: the accounts crap must be interfering. maybe try * for all accounts?
1804 2011-01-24 20:57:37 <btcex> $ bitcoin/bitcoin getbalance '*' 2
1805 2011-01-24 20:57:37 <btcex> error: {"code":-11,"message":"Invalid account name"}
1806 2011-01-24 20:57:52 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: exactly. He did change the arguments. Look:
1807 2011-01-24 20:57:53 <nanotube> btcex: help shows: getbalance [account] [minconf=1]
1808 2011-01-24 20:57:55 <lfm> pozic and that is good
1809 2011-01-24 20:57:57 <btcex> this is new bug i think...
1810 2011-01-24 20:58:05 <nanotube> btcex: so just omit account, and try 'bitcoind getbalance minconf=N'
1811 2011-01-24 20:58:05 <cosurgi> ArtForz: D = cty_d + (rotr(A, 6) ^ rotr(A, 11) ^ rotr(A, 25)) ....
1812 2011-01-24 20:58:07 <btcex> only in 0.3.19 and 0.3.20
1813 2011-01-24 20:58:16 <nanotube> btcex: try omitting account
1814 2011-01-24 20:58:20 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3 h=(h+(rot(e, 26)^rot(e, 21)^rot(e, 7))+ ...
1815 2011-01-24 20:58:28 <cosurgi> 32-26 = 6
1816 2011-01-24 20:58:39 <cosurgi> 32-21=11
1817 2011-01-24 20:58:45 <btcex> minconf= not work at all, it is broken. user should use number without minconf=
1818 2011-01-24 20:58:48 <pozic> lfm: it could also cache the computation.
1819 2011-01-24 20:58:55 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: see?
1820 2011-01-24 20:58:58 <pozic> lfm: then it would know the fan profile for that.
1821 2011-01-24 20:59:01 <btcex> $ bitcoin/bitcoin getbalance 2
1822 2011-01-24 20:59:01 <btcex> 0.00000000
1823 2011-01-24 20:59:05 <jav> nanotube, that server at bitcoinmarket:27007 what markets does that include? .. not Mt. Gox, correct?
1824 2011-01-24 20:59:06 <btcex> also not real balance
1825 2011-01-24 20:59:25 <nanotube> jav: no, just bitcoinmarket.
1826 2011-01-24 20:59:41 <nanotube> jav: marketmonitor does bitcoinmarket, mtgoxmonitor does mtgox, and bitcoincentralmonitor does bc
1827 2011-01-24 20:59:48 <btcex> BUG IN BITCOIN pre-0.3.10 - Update NOW! - whatf?
1828 2011-01-24 20:59:49 <lfm> pozic well since the pplib crap is undocumented, it might do anything. useing it prolly voids your warantee right of the start
1829 2011-01-24 21:00:02 <btcex> update to 0.3.19 or to 0.3.20-2?
1830 2011-01-24 21:00:17 <andrew12> btcex: what version do you have>
1831 2011-01-24 21:00:18 <andrew12> btcex: what version do you have?
1832 2011-01-24 21:00:21 <jav> nameless|, yeah I see... mtgoxmonitor uses polling though, right? .. so there isn't a streaming way of doing that like there is for bitcoinmarket?
1833 2011-01-24 21:00:28 <nanotube> btcex: well, talk to gavin about it. i haven't used the accounts feature at all.
1834 2011-01-24 21:00:31 <btcex> andrew12: 0.3.19-2 from git
1835 2011-01-24 21:00:39 <andrew12> then you're good
1836 2011-01-24 21:00:39 <nanotube> jav: right, mtgox and bc are polling
1837 2011-01-24 21:00:50 <andrew12> the topic has said that for a while
1838 2011-01-24 21:00:52 <nanotube> jav: only bitcoinmarket.com provides the streaming push-based data server.
1839 2011-01-24 21:01:06 <jav> nanotube, what pollinterval do you use?
1840 2011-01-24 21:01:20 <nanotube> jav: 10s
1841 2011-01-24 21:02:16 <jav> ok... do you know if Mt. Gox plans to provide a streaming push-based data server at some point? .. I feel somewhat uneasy about polling at these rates... maybe I can live with 60 or 30 seconds though
1842 2011-01-24 21:02:37 <nanotube> jav: or just send him an email and ask...
1843 2011-01-24 21:03:04 <jav> yeah, I guess I'll do that
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1847 2011-01-24 21:04:50 <nanotube> jav: good luck :)
1848 2011-01-24 21:06:33 <jav> nanotube, thx :-)
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1851 2011-01-24 21:27:35 <xelister> Blocks are identified by their hexadecimal number, right?
1852 2011-01-24 21:28:06 <xelister> and number of block is not written into block, but it is established when bitcoin node arranges all blocks it knows into a chain?
1853 2011-01-24 21:28:17 <xelister> (by given node, after downloading block)
1854 2011-01-24 21:29:07 molecular has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1855 2011-01-24 21:32:07 * xelister pokes nanotube in his eye
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1857 2011-01-24 21:32:24 <molecular> Diablo-D3, after my internet-connection dropped, should the miner resume mining "automatically"?
1858 2011-01-24 21:33:04 <xelister> molecular: it will probably show lots of warning - cant connect to server warnings, but continue. anyway, why not just restart the miner?
1859 2011-01-24 21:33:19 <molecular> it's on a different machine
1860 2011-01-24 21:33:39 <molecular> there are no warnings or error, it just says "0 khash/s"
1861 2011-01-24 21:33:44 <xelister> my version, basically a diablo miner, works correctly after such accident
1862 2011-01-24 21:33:50 <molecular> hmmm
1863 2011-01-24 21:33:52 <xelister> 0 khash/s is reported by the miner or by the bitcoind ?
1864 2011-01-24 21:33:59 <molecular> the net was gone for quite some time, several minutes
1865 2011-01-24 21:34:04 <molecular> by the miner
1866 2011-01-24 21:34:06 <xelister> bitcoind shows just CPU speed, so it will always show 0
1867 2011-01-24 21:34:07 <molecular> DiabloMiner
1868 2011-01-24 21:34:17 <xelister> speed 0 diablo miner is a problem, you should restart
1869 2011-01-24 21:34:35 <molecular> I used "-g 2" (getwork interval). maybe some hickup with that being too short
1870 2011-01-24 21:34:37 <xelister> or better use my miner, that would restart in case of problems ;-)
1871 2011-01-24 21:34:45 <xelister> maybe, wait a minut
1872 2011-01-24 21:34:56 <molecular> is your miner a fork of diablo's?
1873 2011-01-24 21:35:07 <xelister> just some small patches to month+ old Diablos miner
1874 2011-01-24 21:35:26 <xelister> but I like it more, addedd stuff to be a bit more verbose about mining operation, and a bit more resilent to problems like you just described
1875 2011-01-24 21:35:29 <molecular> you have a git or something?
1876 2011-01-24 21:35:31 <nanotube> xelister: re: block identifiers, yes there are no block numbers stored anywhere in the chain.
1877 2011-01-24 21:35:37 <xelister> molecular: I will push it to git
1878 2011-01-24 21:35:38 <Diablo-D3> molecular: no one listens to xelister
1879 2011-01-24 21:35:45 <Diablo-D3> I think I have him on ignore too
1880 2011-01-24 21:35:57 <xelister> molecular: Diablo-D3 is angry at me because I slept with his sister, disregard him :P
1881 2011-01-24 21:35:57 <andrew12> heh
1882 2011-01-24 21:35:58 <Diablo-D3> molecular: are you using the newest version of mine?
1883 2011-01-24 21:36:16 <Diablo-D3> molecular: because if connection drops and getworks fail, it shouldnt kill worker threads
1884 2011-01-24 21:36:18 <molecular> not sure, downloaded it last night
1885 2011-01-24 21:36:20 <andrew12> xelister: good job!
1886 2011-01-24 21:36:25 <xelister> ;)
1887 2011-01-24 21:36:30 <molecular> should I try the freshest from git instead?
1888 2011-01-24 21:37:33 <andrew12> molecular: wanna make a Mac build for me with all of gavin's patches? :p
1889 2011-01-24 21:37:38 <Diablo-D3> molecular: zip is newest.
1890 2011-01-24 21:37:46 <Diablo-D3> molecular: I upload zip the same time I git push
1891 2011-01-24 21:37:56 <andrew12> oh
1892 2011-01-24 21:38:00 <molecular> how can I check if my git is "fresh"? just "git fetch"?
1893 2011-01-24 21:38:02 * andrew12 nevermind
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1895 2011-01-24 21:38:10 <andrew12> molecular: git pull
1896 2011-01-24 21:38:13 <Diablo-D3> molecular: git pull
1897 2011-01-24 21:38:14 <molecular> andrew12 wouldn't know how to make a mac build
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1899 2011-01-24 21:38:17 <xelister> hmm that is a good idea though, molecular ... I should have my miner also restart whenever speed drops suddenly
1900 2011-01-24 21:38:28 <Diablo-D3> its slightly more complex if you do other branches though
1901 2011-01-24 21:38:58 <andrew12> tags ftw
1902 2011-01-24 21:39:58 <Diablo-D3> well, its extra hilarious when you realize branches in git are just tags that can be modified
1903 2011-01-24 21:42:45 <andrew12> hehe
1904 2011-01-24 21:43:01 <andrew12> brb
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1907 2011-01-24 21:46:05 <andrew12> ;;bc,blocks
1908 2011-01-24 21:46:05 <gribble> 104406
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1910 2011-01-24 21:48:09 <xelister> which exchange is best, mtgox?
1911 2011-01-24 21:48:17 <nanotube> best for what purpose? :)
1912 2011-01-24 21:48:27 <xelister> selling BTC, buyin too
1913 2011-01-24 21:48:36 <xelister> everything is awesome in mtgox or is there anything to watch out for?
1914 2011-01-24 21:48:58 <andrew12> the fees :p
1915 2011-01-24 21:49:01 <nanotube> yea, fees
1916 2011-01-24 21:49:08 <davout> depends on what currency you want to user
1917 2011-01-24 21:49:09 <nanotube> but mtgox does have the most liquidity
1918 2011-01-24 21:49:12 <davout> *use
1919 2011-01-24 21:49:22 <xelister> how much are they summed? e.g. I want to get 100 BTC in polish (Euro) bank wire
1920 2011-01-24 21:49:35 <nanotube> xelister: bitcoin-central is not as liquid, but you can do eur-denominated trades, and there are no fees.
1921 2011-01-24 21:49:37 <xelister> *sell 100 BTC -> get money to polish (EU) wire
1922 2011-01-24 21:49:55 <nanotube> xelister: i don't think mtgox will even do bank wires for such low amounts.
1923 2011-01-24 21:50:01 <xelister> so, bitcoin-central is perfect, apart from liquiduty?
1924 2011-01-24 21:50:33 <nanotube> well... you should ask davout if he'll do bank wires for 100-btc-worth of euros.
1925 2011-01-24 21:50:50 <davout> i don't really care :)
1926 2011-01-24 21:50:52 <xelister> davout == bitcoin-central ?
1927 2011-01-24 21:50:59 <davout> ===
1928 2011-01-24 21:51:21 <andrew12> ==========
1929 2011-01-24 21:51:30 <nanotube> yep he runs bc
1930 2011-01-24 21:51:38 <xelister> 8========D
1931 2011-01-24 21:51:54 <xelister> statue, rings, dragon
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1934 2011-01-24 21:57:34 <andrew12> xelister: http://dicks.heroku.com
1935 2011-01-24 21:58:26 <xelister> http://dicks.heroku.com/9.xml
1936 2011-01-24 21:58:40 <xelister> that should be google's summer of code.
1937 2011-01-24 21:59:36 satamusic_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1938 2011-01-24 22:02:02 <andrew12> xelister: http://dicks.heroku.com/9999.json
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1940 2011-01-24 22:03:42 <xelister> andrew12: I think what the dongs api need, is selecting distribution function, like gaussian
1941 2011-01-24 22:04:06 <andrew12> its a fucking ruby gem
1942 2011-01-24 22:04:11 satamusic has joined
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1944 2011-01-24 22:04:30 <andrew12> i randomly started typing random stuff.heroku.com to see what was there
1945 2011-01-24 22:04:36 <andrew12> sure enough, dicks.heroku.com...
1946 2011-01-24 22:07:05 <xelister> there are dicks. but not boobs. Oh god.
1947 2011-01-24 22:07:46 <hacim> lfm: i think your guess that the pool should be able to confirm that block in about an hour have been proven to be a bit ambitious
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1950 2011-01-24 22:16:14 <andrew12> hmm.. i think i'm going to play openttd for a bit
1951 2011-01-24 22:19:50 <nanotube> hacim: what should be confirmed in about an hour?
1952 2011-01-24 22:20:12 <hacim> nanotube: the block I found
1953 2011-01-24 22:20:23 <nanotube> blocks take 120 blocks for confirmation.
1954 2011-01-24 22:20:30 <nanotube> which should be about 1200 minutes
1955 2011-01-24 22:20:35 <nanotube> not 1 hour.
1956 2011-01-24 22:20:38 <hacim> yeah
1957 2011-01-24 22:21:06 <hacim> 78 left to go
1958 2011-01-24 22:21:23 <hacim> i was hoping I could see the 50btc somewhere
1959 2011-01-24 22:21:29 <hacim> but I can't coax it out of bitcoind
1960 2011-01-24 22:22:34 <nanotube> does getbalance with minconf=0 do it? or maybe listtransactions minconf=0 ?
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1962 2011-01-24 22:34:10 <xelister> nanotube: and transactions? they are also identified by numers?
1963 2011-01-24 22:35:19 <nanotube> by hashes, yes
1964 2011-01-24 22:35:19 <tcatm> nanotube, hacim: generated coins are different from normal TX. coinbases don't have a value before they mature
1965 2011-01-24 22:35:41 <nanotube> tcatm: well, the gui does show the transactions... so there /should/ be a way to show them with bitcoind
1966 2011-01-24 22:35:47 <nanotube> even before they mature
1967 2011-01-24 22:35:50 <davout> tcatm: i used to see "generated" txns in listtransactions output, even before they matured
1968 2011-01-24 22:37:37 <tcatm> I think there was a commit recently that changed something with listtx and coinbases
1969 2011-01-24 22:38:35 <hacim> nanotube: neither listtransactions minconf=0, nor getbalance minconf=0 do it
1970 2011-01-24 22:38:56 <nanotube> hacim: well see what tcatm said. :)
1971 2011-01-24 22:39:12 <nanotube> tcatm: well, that seems... like an anti-feature.
1972 2011-01-24 22:39:20 <sipa> ArtForz: what is 5***-specific in your opencl miner?
1973 2011-01-24 22:39:46 <pozic> And why did ArtForz even release anything? ;)
1974 2011-01-24 22:40:29 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: have you seen that ArtForz modified all calls to rotr() and he's doing the substraction 32-y in the calls?
1975 2011-01-24 22:40:40 <luke-jr> pozic: it's obsolete to him?
1976 2011-01-24 22:41:09 <pozic> luke-jr: that's no reason to make the already pathetic people slightly more powerful ;)
1977 2011-01-24 22:41:36 <luke-jr> I agree, especially since it only help people selling their freedoms for bitcoins :P
1978 2011-01-24 22:42:03 <luke-jr> too bad there's no Mac miner, or I'd run it on my company-provided MBP
1979 2011-01-24 22:42:53 <sipa> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=124.0 ?
1980 2011-01-24 22:42:56 <hacim> did ArtForz actually release a miner?
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1982 2011-01-24 22:43:20 * sipa is looking at http://pastebin.com/EPs5CMaV
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1984 2011-01-24 22:43:36 <sipa> not sure if you can call it release, but i assume he doesn't mind people seeing it
1985 2011-01-24 22:44:16 <hacim> that doesn't really look like a miner
1986 2011-01-24 22:44:23 <sipa> it's the opencl part
1987 2011-01-24 22:44:34 <cosurgi> the most important part.
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1991 2011-01-24 22:45:23 <sipa> anyone tried using it in Diablo-D3's or m0mchil's miner?
1992 2011-01-24 22:45:30 <pozic> sipa: I used both.
1993 2011-01-24 22:45:38 <luke-jr> IIRC it was only 3% gain over Diablo's
1994 2011-01-24 22:45:59 <luke-jr> (which doesn't seem to actually work on Mac unfortunately)
1995 2011-01-24 22:48:01 <luke-jr> sipa: that one you linked doesn't run
1996 2011-01-24 22:48:28 <pozic> m0mchil's gives 160M/s the other one 145M/s.
1997 2011-01-24 22:48:40 <sipa> any reference for that 3% number?
1998 2011-01-24 22:48:45 <pozic> On my machine, yada yada.
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2000 2011-01-24 22:48:51 <sipa> pozic: what ati stream version, what hardware?
2001 2011-01-24 22:48:53 <luke-jr> sipa: IRC
2002 2011-01-24 22:49:01 <pozic> sipa: 2.3, 5770.
2003 2011-01-24 22:49:24 <pozic> The forums said that some other SDK was better, or whatever.
2004 2011-01-24 22:49:30 <pozic> I am not going to care about that ;)
2005 2011-01-24 22:49:31 <sipa> 2.1, yes
2006 2011-01-24 22:49:38 <sipa> big difference here
2007 2011-01-24 22:49:53 <sipa> although i believe they have workarounds for the bugs in 2.3 now
2008 2011-01-24 22:50:30 <sipa> luke-jr: do you mind being a bit more concrete? :)
2009 2011-01-24 22:50:47 <luke-jr> "You cannot use this version of the application Bitcoin with this version of Mac OS X."
2010 2011-01-24 22:51:18 <sipa> i mean about the 3% :)
2011 2011-01-24 22:53:04 <Diablo-D3> tried what?
2012 2011-01-24 22:53:18 <Diablo-D3> [05:35:31] <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: have you seen that ArtForz modified all calls to rotr() and he's doing the substraction 32-y in the calls?
2013 2011-01-24 22:53:22 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt matter which side he does it on
2014 2011-01-24 22:53:31 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: any ideas on that apache error?
2015 2011-01-24 22:53:32 <Diablo-D3> and no
2016 2011-01-24 22:53:36 <Diablo-D3> Im not seeing the 32-ys
2017 2011-01-24 22:53:40 <luke-jr> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/commons/cli/ParseException
2018 2011-01-24 22:54:52 <cosurgi> his code - D = cty_d + (rotr(A, 6) ^ rotr(A, 11) ....
2019 2011-01-24 22:55:01 <cosurgi> your code: h=(h+(rot(e, 26)^rot(e, 21)^rot(e, 7))+...
2020 2011-01-24 22:55:14 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: doesn it look like 32-y already subtracted?
2021 2011-01-24 22:55:20 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: yes, but hes doing a straight out rotr
2022 2011-01-24 22:55:27 <Diablo-D3> rotate is rotl
2023 2011-01-24 22:55:44 <testtest> to see generated transactions in bitcond before they mature just add 1 line to void ListTransactions
2024 2011-01-24 22:55:45 <Diablo-D3> bitalign used the way we use it is a rotr
2025 2011-01-24 22:55:57 <testtest> void ListTransactions(const CWalletTx& wtx, const string& strAccount, int nMinDepth, Array& ret) { int64 nGenerated, nSent, nFee; string strSentAccount; list<pair<string, int64> > listReceived; wtx.GetAmounts(nGenerated, listReceived, nSent, nFee, strSentAccount); if( nGenerated == 0 && wtx.IsCoinBase() ) nGenerated = ((CTransaction&)wtx).GetCredit();
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2027 2011-01-24 22:56:58 <sipa> so, rot(x,26) and rotr(x,6) are equivalent - the question is why does his code use rotr, or is it just a matter or preference :)
2028 2011-01-24 22:57:30 <tcatm> sipa: bitalign does rotr instead of rotl
2029 2011-01-24 22:57:33 <luke-jr> someone poke Diablo-D3 for me? :P
2030 2011-01-24 22:57:57 <sipa> tcatm: oh, i see the macro, right :)
2031 2011-01-24 22:58:04 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: I think it is correct. rotate is not "losing bits", what gets out from one side, gets in from other side. So rotl(x,y) == rotr(x,32-y); and that's what he did -- optimized the code for unnecessary subtraction 32-y
2032 2011-01-24 22:58:19 <sipa> so it seems
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2034 2011-01-24 22:58:30 <Diablo-D3> its a rotate, not a shift
2035 2011-01-24 22:58:34 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt "lose" bits
2036 2011-01-24 22:58:45 <Diablo-D3> it rotates them, like a barrel
2037 2011-01-24 22:58:49 <sipa> yes
2038 2011-01-24 22:58:55 <sipa> what are we arguing about?
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2040 2011-01-24 22:59:06 <Diablo-D3> sipa: cosurgi doesnt understand how amd_bitalign works
2041 2011-01-24 22:59:08 <cosurgi> yes, that's what I said.
2042 2011-01-24 22:59:10 <Diablo-D3> its a barrel rotator
2043 2011-01-24 22:59:18 <sipa> i think he understands it just find
2044 2011-01-24 22:59:20 <tcatm> the opencl was probably generated by another program anyway
2045 2011-01-24 22:59:25 <cosurgi> can you read again, what I written?
2046 2011-01-24 22:59:28 <Diablo-D3> he didnt pre-calculate 32-y, he rotates it right to begin with
2047 2011-01-24 22:59:48 <Diablo-D3> the 32-y is required for a rotate left
2048 2011-01-24 23:00:13 <Diablo-D3> rotate() in opencl rotates left
2049 2011-01-24 23:00:20 <Diablo-D3> amd_bitalign, when used this way, rotates right.
2050 2011-01-24 23:00:40 <Diablo-D3> so to power rotate with bitalign, you have to rotate right with a rotate left instruction
2051 2011-01-24 23:00:43 <Diablo-D3> which requires 32-y
2052 2011-01-24 23:00:56 <sipa> so your code is written for rotate, which rotates left
2053 2011-01-24 23:00:59 <Diablo-D3> yes
2054 2011-01-24 23:01:03 <cosurgi> exactly.
2055 2011-01-24 23:01:08 <sipa> and corrects 32-y for using amd_bitalign
2056 2011-01-24 23:01:18 <Diablo-D3> exactly
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2058 2011-01-24 23:01:24 <sipa> while his code is directly written for right rotates
2059 2011-01-24 23:01:29 <Diablo-D3> exactly
2060 2011-01-24 23:01:30 <sipa> and hence, doesn't need a 32-y
2061 2011-01-24 23:01:36 <pozic> How much does he win anyway?
2062 2011-01-24 23:01:39 <Diablo-D3> he didnt remove 32-y, he just wrote the original code correctly
2063 2011-01-24 23:01:40 <sipa> or, the way cosurgi sees it, precalculates 32-y
2064 2011-01-24 23:01:44 <xelister> finally we know what masters will use to controll salves (us) from USA - airship with 1000 cameras + auto recognition. http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/01/all-seeing-blimp/
2065 2011-01-24 23:01:54 <Diablo-D3> a sha256 uses rotate right to begin with
2066 2011-01-24 23:02:01 <Diablo-D3> so if anything, the m0 kernel had it backwards
2067 2011-01-24 23:02:07 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: now, look again at his calls to rotr(), and compare them with your calls to rot()
2068 2011-01-24 23:02:19 <CIA-98> bitcoin: Chris Moore master * r10abe4f / net.cpp : Repeatedly resetting the timestamp for seed nodes in the database was slow. Only update the database if it's a real change. - http://bit.ly/ffvMpU
2069 2011-01-24 23:02:22 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: yes, and then compare them to a standard sha256 impl on platforms that have a rotate right
2070 2011-01-24 23:02:39 <dooglus> CIA-98: ping
2071 2011-01-24 23:02:41 <sipa> Diablo-D3: how much does your miner do a stock 5970?
2072 2011-01-24 23:02:45 <sipa> *on
2073 2011-01-24 23:02:47 <Diablo-D3> pozic: btw, none
2074 2011-01-24 23:02:54 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: ok. so what was wrong in the first place?
2075 2011-01-24 23:03:07 <Diablo-D3> sipa: around 540 afaict
2076 2011-01-24 23:03:17 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: I was thinking that I am helping you to see this, but you know this already.
2077 2011-01-24 23:03:18 <Diablo-D3> sipa: with this one, it should exceed 555
2078 2011-01-24 23:03:21 <pozic> xelister: fairly insane.
2079 2011-01-24 23:03:23 <xelister> sipa: 535 normally
2080 2011-01-24 23:03:25 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: I already know this =P
2081 2011-01-24 23:03:32 <cosurgi> 21:47 < Diablo-D3> ArtForz: okay I feel retarded, how do I do a rotr if all I have is a rotl? it cant be 32-y
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2085 2011-01-24 23:03:34 <pozic> Also seems like a pretty expensive target ;)
2086 2011-01-24 23:03:44 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: the answer, btw, is it IS 32-y
2087 2011-01-24 23:03:50 <xelister> pozic: know your place slave! ;) And americafags are too weakt to resist. They can't even win with TSA ;)
2088 2011-01-24 23:03:52 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: if I want to do rotr with a rotl
2089 2011-01-24 23:04:02 <Diablo-D3> I did it out by hand about an hour ago
2090 2011-01-24 23:04:09 <sipa> Diablo-D3: that's exactly what cosurgi is trying to tell you ;)
2091 2011-01-24 23:04:23 <cosurgi> ok... I give up.
2092 2011-01-24 23:04:34 <cosurgi> :-) He must find it out all by himself ;)
2093 2011-01-24 23:04:36 <Diablo-D3> sipa: rotl with a rotr is 32-y
2094 2011-01-24 23:04:42 <sipa> Diablo-D3: i know that :D
2095 2011-01-24 23:04:48 <sipa> and cosurgi knows that
2096 2011-01-24 23:04:51 <sipa> and you know that
2097 2011-01-24 23:04:56 <sipa> let's stop arguing :)
2098 2011-01-24 23:05:00 <Diablo-D3> sipa: it seems funny rotr with a rotl is 32-y
2099 2011-01-24 23:05:02 <pozic> xelister: I think seeing yourself as a slave is a bad attitude.
2100 2011-01-24 23:05:24 <sipa> Diablo-D3: seen my patch, by the way?
2101 2011-01-24 23:05:32 <Diablo-D3> sipa: no
2102 2011-01-24 23:05:39 <sipa> http://sipa.be/static/bitcoin/DiabloMiner-selectDevices.patch
2103 2011-01-24 23:05:43 <xelister> pozic: well do not worry, the agressors have this comming: "So they want to float in a warzone a huge, defenseless, gas-bag chocked full of emitters. What could possibly go wrong? At this size and range, I wouldn't be suprised if insurgents started using mortars as surface-to-air weapons. " ;)
2104 2011-01-24 23:06:23 <Diablo-D3> sipa: ... wow, your java is bad.
2105 2011-01-24 23:06:26 <pozic> xelister: have you ever been in a warzone or are you just a hippie?
2106 2011-01-24 23:06:32 <sipa> Diablo-D3: it's been a while :)
2107 2011-01-24 23:06:51 <xelister> pozic: I was not in a war-zone, where you?
2108 2011-01-24 23:06:57 <pozic> xelister: no.
2109 2011-01-24 23:07:21 <xelister> I hope to stay that way, especially if americafags will keep their bloody hands far from my country
2110 2011-01-24 23:07:28 <Diablo-D3> sipa: you should split on ,, use integer to parse that as a number, put it in a fixed size array of int[], and then compare the devices at the place you did looping through the int[] to see if its a match, if no match, skip to next device without adding it
2111 2011-01-24 23:07:31 <pozic> War is not a place for humans to be in anymore.
2112 2011-01-24 23:07:47 <pozic> It had some honour with swords and all that.
2113 2011-01-24 23:07:58 <sipa> Diablo-D3: that's a possibility, but requires me to know a maximum
2114 2011-01-24 23:08:06 <sipa> oh wait
2115 2011-01-24 23:08:08 <pozic> But after technology, you are just waiting to die.
2116 2011-01-24 23:08:10 <Diablo-D3> you know the maximum
2117 2011-01-24 23:08:23 <Diablo-D3> you can ask the length from the split array of strings
2118 2011-01-24 23:08:23 <pozic> If the Americans wanted to wipe out everyone, they could.
2119 2011-01-24 23:08:27 <sipa> yes, i see what you mean, that's a possibility too, but this was easier
2120 2011-01-24 23:08:41 <pozic> It's just that they cannot really do that anymore because of the media.
2121 2011-01-24 23:08:43 <Diablo-D3> sipa: Im obviously not going to commit yours with that use of set and hashset
2122 2011-01-24 23:08:43 <sipa> and complexity-wise better, but the constant factors here are a lot higher
2123 2011-01-24 23:09:07 <sipa> Diablo-D3: then modify it, or don't use it :)
2124 2011-01-24 23:09:20 <Diablo-D3> sipa: I'll use exactly one line from yours.
2125 2011-01-24 23:09:23 <pozic> OTOH, they simply kill the media and declare they are carrying AK47s.
2126 2011-01-24 23:09:34 <sipa> what an honor
2127 2011-01-24 23:09:38 <pozic> "Oops, missed that. "
2128 2011-01-24 23:10:21 <pozic> "Oh, you said they were journalists?. That seems just like one of those Russian acts. We will fit right in."
2129 2011-01-24 23:11:20 <pozic> And instead of waiting 10 seconds for some civilian to pass, they shoot a hell fire up his ass into some building.
2130 2011-01-24 23:12:13 <pozic> War has always been "might is right" and will remain so.
2131 2011-01-24 23:12:36 <pozic> I wonder what the Chinese will do with their classified military budgets.
2132 2011-01-24 23:14:22 <pozic> I think even a small nation could attack the whole world out of nothing, btw.
2133 2011-01-24 23:15:21 <luke-jr> aha
2134 2011-01-24 23:15:28 <luke-jr> it's cuz OpenCL requires 10.6 :p
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2137 2011-01-24 23:19:33 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 4500
2138 2011-01-24 23:19:34 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 4500 Khps, given current difficulty of 18437.64439217 , is 29 weeks, 0 days, 16 hours, 12 minutes, and 53 seconds
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2142 2011-01-24 23:42:30 <Kiba> hello
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