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4 2011-01-28 00:17:13 <midnightmagic_> hey mtgox
5 2011-01-28 00:17:19 <midnightmagic_> are you "the" mtgox?
6 2011-01-28 00:17:56 <midnightmagic_> if so, I just wanted to say thanks for providing such a vital service to the btc community.
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8 2011-01-28 00:22:54 <noagendamarket> http://video.ap.org/?f=None&pid=oT7qj_wiVHTbYae3scwok4_irYjJ2R8Z looks like egypt is rioting
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17 2011-01-28 01:05:07 <AAA_awright> Kiba: Would you like to start an academic journal of sorts about BitCoin and related technologies?
18 2011-01-28 01:05:59 <Kiba> AAA_awright: dude, do you know how many projects I have going?
19 2011-01-28 01:09:28 <AAA_awright> Kiba: List em off
20 2011-01-28 01:09:36 <Kiba> lee see
21 2011-01-28 01:09:39 <Kiba> let see*
22 2011-01-28 01:09:41 <AAA_awright> Can't possibly be more than me
23 2011-01-28 01:09:42 <Kiba> bitcoin-chrome
24 2011-01-28 01:09:50 <Kiba> bitcointo freelance assignment
25 2011-01-28 01:09:53 <Kiba> writing assignment
26 2011-01-28 01:09:58 <Kiba> writing for The Bitcoin Times
27 2011-01-28 01:10:09 <Kiba> a freelance project outside of bitcoin
28 2011-01-28 01:10:14 <Kiba> two sites I am working on
29 2011-01-28 01:10:25 <Kiba> trying to pipeline more projects
30 2011-01-28 01:10:42 <Kiba> err
31 2011-01-28 01:10:42 <Kiba> jobs
32 2011-01-28 01:10:59 <Kiba> art project in bitcoin
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34 2011-01-28 01:21:41 <ducki2p> Kiba: learn CSS and I got more for you
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39 2011-01-28 01:27:22 <OneFixt> when commentary is added in the "sendfrom" command in bitcoind, does it show up in the block?
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43 2011-01-28 01:40:11 <AAA_awright> kabo69: Yeah so my idea was abandoning the Times thing in favor of the journal
44 2011-01-28 01:40:14 <AAA_awright> er
45 2011-01-28 01:40:21 <AAA_awright> Kiba: Yeah so my idea was abandoning the Times thing in favor of the journal
46 2011-01-28 01:49:46 <Kiba> why?
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52 2011-01-28 01:58:50 <OneFixt> ping
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55 2011-01-28 02:20:32 <AAA_awright> pong?
56 2011-01-28 02:20:46 <Kiba> AAA_awright: why?
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59 2011-01-28 02:21:30 <AAA_awright> Kiba: To produce something with journal-level quality
60 2011-01-28 02:21:50 <Kiba> so you want to get rid of interview/review/etc
61 2011-01-28 02:21:51 <Kiba> ?
62 2011-01-28 02:21:53 <AAA_awright> I don't even care what it's about I just want to order authors around and edit stuff
63 2011-01-28 02:22:09 <lfm> hehe
64 2011-01-28 02:22:58 <lfm> seems you should give the time thing a chance
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67 2011-01-28 02:24:29 <Kiba> the bitcoin economy is so small and tiny ya know?
68 2011-01-28 02:24:49 <Kiba> we maybe the world's fastest growing economy but we're also the smallest
69 2011-01-28 02:25:02 <Kiba> may be*
70 2011-01-28 02:25:38 <AAA_awright> Depends on what an economy is?
71 2011-01-28 02:26:36 <Kiba> the bitcoin economy
72 2011-01-28 02:26:49 <Kiba> encompassing all bitcoin accepting business and bitcoiners
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79 2011-01-28 02:37:47 <riush> ;)
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81 2011-01-28 02:41:03 <noagendamarket> Maybe you can start posting to witcoin and people can support it by voting
82 2011-01-28 02:41:34 <Kiba> noagendamarket: I have no idea how it works
83 2011-01-28 02:41:41 <Kiba> please enlighten me how I can post content
84 2011-01-28 02:41:58 <Kiba> also, I will be delivering you the finished extension
85 2011-01-28 02:42:01 <Kiba> with the key and stuff
86 2011-01-28 02:43:44 <noagendamarket> Kiba just sign up and start posting
87 2011-01-28 02:43:56 <Kiba> that's it, I am done
88 2011-01-28 02:44:00 <Kiba> noagendamarket: I don't see the post button
89 2011-01-28 02:44:14 <Kiba> ya know, how I do post new content?
90 2011-01-28 02:44:20 <noagendamarket> just go to the category section
91 2011-01-28 02:44:57 <noagendamarket> http://witticisms.witcoin.com/witticise
92 2011-01-28 02:45:23 <Kiba> why do I need to have money to post?
93 2011-01-28 02:45:41 * Kiba waits for noagendamarket to check the extension
94 2011-01-28 02:45:43 <doublec> makes spam less profitable
95 2011-01-28 02:45:46 <Kiba> also, I am not a graphic designer
96 2011-01-28 02:46:05 <Kiba> ya see, you guys need to explain how it's all work
97 2011-01-28 02:46:13 <Kiba> because the information on how it all works IS ABSENT!
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101 2011-01-28 02:49:17 <noagendamarket> it stops spam
102 2011-01-28 02:49:40 <Kiba> noagendamarket: so..bitcointo good or no?
103 2011-01-28 02:50:26 <noagendamarket> yes its good\
104 2011-01-28 02:51:00 <Kiba> send me bitcoin!
105 2011-01-28 02:52:23 <noagendamarket> address
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107 2011-01-28 02:53:56 <molecular> http://mining.bitcoin.cz/stats/ block history is too short, slush1
108 2011-01-28 02:55:06 <noagendamarket> Kiba: sent
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110 2011-01-28 02:55:33 * Kiba will owns around 660 BTC :D
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113 2011-01-28 02:57:54 <Kiba> noagendamarket: post on http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2815.0 how great a job I am doing, ya?
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123 2011-01-28 03:17:27 <afed> http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/01/24/epower_juice_box_450w_auxiliary_power_supply_review
124 2011-01-28 03:17:33 <afed> anyone evaluated that
125 2011-01-28 03:17:41 <afed> for powering excess GPUs?
126 2011-01-28 03:18:12 <afed> n/m i see it failed their testing
127 2011-01-28 03:18:20 <afed> considered unsafe to connect to an expensive GPU
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134 2011-01-28 03:40:47 <molecular> slush just hit 30ghps
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136 2011-01-28 03:52:40 <doublec> it's finding a fair number of the blocks
137 2011-01-28 03:53:14 <doublec> 104932,934,935,936,938,940,942 - nice run there
138 2011-01-28 03:53:25 <andrew12> ...shares?
139 2011-01-28 03:53:43 <molecular> blocks!
140 2011-01-28 03:53:46 <andrew12> also does anyone know if its possible to run bitcoin over i2p?
141 2011-01-28 03:53:50 <andrew12> ohhh
142 2011-01-28 03:53:50 <molecular> how did you do thatÃ
143 2011-01-28 03:53:57 <andrew12> those are the block numbers.
144 2011-01-28 03:54:30 <molecular> doublec, what is finding a fair amount of blocks
145 2011-01-28 03:54:39 <andrew12> molecular: slush's pool
146 2011-01-28 03:54:51 <doublec> molecular: I'm saying that slush's pool had a nice run of finding the blocks in the bitcoin network
147 2011-01-28 03:55:26 <molecular> yeah
148 2011-01-28 03:55:29 <molecular> true
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150 2011-01-28 03:56:16 <doublec> he can't be too far off being able to exploit that somehow if he was evil
151 2011-01-28 03:56:30 <andrew12> hehe
152 2011-01-28 03:56:36 <molecular> slush is not evil
153 2011-01-28 03:56:41 <molecular> yet
154 2011-01-28 03:57:02 <andrew12> wait till he owns most of the network, he'll use all of this to make a new block chain! muahahaha
155 2011-01-28 03:57:11 <molecular> and I don't think he will become evail
156 2011-01-28 03:57:24 <molecular> artforz will kick slush's ass pretty soon
157 2011-01-28 03:57:27 <andrew12> >evail
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159 2011-01-28 03:58:06 <molecular> evil
160 2011-01-28 03:58:29 <molecular> becoming eval makes only sense if you want to destroy the currenc
161 2011-01-28 03:58:30 <molecular> y
162 2011-01-28 03:59:06 <citizen> does a gpu's memorize size come into play at all?
163 2011-01-28 03:59:19 <citizen> on the big ATI cards 1gB vs 2gB for example
164 2011-01-28 03:59:25 <citizen> im guessing it doesn't, but i just want to verify
165 2011-01-28 04:00:01 <molecular> memory is irrelevant
166 2011-01-28 04:00:28 <molecular> even memory speed is irrelevant
167 2011-01-28 04:01:35 <molecular> ;;bc,difficulty
168 2011-01-28 04:01:35 <gribble> Error: "bc,difficulty" is not a valid command.
169 2011-01-28 04:01:55 <andrew12> ;;bc,stats
170 2011-01-28 04:01:58 <gribble> Current Blocks: 104957 | Current Difficulty: 22012.4941572 | Next Difficulty At Block: 106847 | Next Difficulty In: 1890 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 9 hours, 9 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23521.07777741
171 2011-01-28 04:02:14 <molecular> ;;bc,stats
172 2011-01-28 04:02:15 <gribble> Current Blocks: 104957 | Current Difficulty: 22012.4941572 | Next Difficulty At Block: 106847 | Next Difficulty In: 1890 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 9 hours, 9 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23521.07777741
173 2011-01-28 04:03:07 <molecular> that's why my shares/s rate dropped
174 2011-01-28 04:03:37 <andrew12> ;;bc,poolstats
175 2011-01-28 04:03:38 <gribble> {"round_probability": 5.4400000000000004, "hashes_ps": 30918740177, "shares": 1231, "active_workers": 370, "round_duration": "0:02:51", "round_started": "2011-01-28 03:55:32", "getwork_ps": 116}
176 2011-01-28 04:03:54 <andrew12> night
177 2011-01-28 04:05:26 <andrew12> ;;bc,poolstats
178 2011-01-28 04:05:30 <gribble> {"round_probability": 8.8200000000000003, "hashes_ps": 30838773984, "shares": 2032, "active_workers": 369, "round_duration": "0:04:43", "round_started": "2011-01-28 03:55:32", "getwork_ps": 115}
179 2011-01-28 04:05:37 <andrew12> just started the miner on my desktop
180 2011-01-28 04:06:30 <luke-jr> lol
181 2011-01-28 04:07:36 <andrew12> funny because the active_workers went down
182 2011-01-28 04:07:51 <andrew12> ok nini
183 2011-01-28 04:08:58 <Keefe> pci-e bandwidth is also irrelevant (or almost so)
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185 2011-01-28 04:09:25 <Keefe> i have some of my 5970's connected to the x1 slots using modded risers
186 2011-01-28 04:09:40 <hacim> hm, no block found for many days beyond average
187 2011-01-28 04:10:38 <luke-jr> hacim: difficulty just went up 25%
188 2011-01-28 04:10:40 <Cusipzzz> hacim: rigged, imo :)
189 2011-01-28 04:10:41 <andrew12^mac> hm, no block found *ever*
190 2011-01-28 04:10:53 <hacim> 25% is quite a jump in difficulty
191 2011-01-28 04:12:23 <Cusipzzz> too many people jumping on the mining gravy train
192 2011-01-28 04:15:05 <doublec> not enough on the spending gravy train
193 2011-01-28 04:15:26 <doublec> by which I really mean "giving to doublec" gravy train
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196 2011-01-28 04:22:17 <dirtyfilthy> is there some kind of equation that relates difficulty to total approx network hashes a second? i mean, i guess there is, but does anybody know it?
197 2011-01-28 04:23:37 <Cusipzzz> yes, and yes. who, i'm not sure :)
198 2011-01-28 04:24:35 <andrew12^droid> Haha.
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202 2011-01-28 04:41:07 <hacim> since it has been far more than 25% time, i'm more worried that the new miner code isn't working :)
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204 2011-01-28 04:53:52 <Diablo-D3> what did you break now?
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206 2011-01-28 04:56:38 <Keefe> only 25% and you're thinking it's not working??
207 2011-01-28 04:57:01 <luke-jr> far more != only
208 2011-01-28 04:57:43 <Keefe> if he said far more than 90% time, i'd agree the code should be checked
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220 2011-01-28 05:52:03 <nanotube> OneFixt: no comments don't show up in the blockchain
221 2011-01-28 05:53:09 <Kiba> hey nanotube
222 2011-01-28 05:53:15 <nanotube> heya Kiba :)
223 2011-01-28 05:53:27 <Kiba> I kick butt this month
224 2011-01-28 05:53:57 <nanotube> oh? made a bunch of btc? :)
225 2011-01-28 05:55:30 <Kiba> oh yeah, I think I have 200 ish btc at the beginning of the month
226 2011-01-28 05:55:35 <Kiba> now I have 600 BTC
227 2011-01-28 05:56:08 <ducki2p> whats your goal?
228 2011-01-28 05:56:15 <Kiba> along the way, I acquired a steady revenue source that work for me 24/7 days a week
229 2011-01-28 05:56:34 <Kiba> ducki2p: prove to my family that I am not a bum
230 2011-01-28 05:56:56 <nanotube> Kiba: nice work :)
231 2011-01-28 05:57:14 <Kiba> well, the larger goal is to establish independence
232 2011-01-28 05:57:42 <nanotube> just wait until 1btc= 1000usd. heh.
233 2011-01-28 05:57:56 <Kiba> that takes forever
234 2011-01-28 05:57:59 <Kiba> that's like...years
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236 2011-01-28 06:01:30 <ducki2p> Kiba: have you considered being even more 'aggressive' and directly approach bitcoin merchants and forum posters and tell them what you can do exactly for them?
237 2011-01-28 06:01:38 <OneFixt> nanotube:thanks
238 2011-01-28 06:01:49 <Kiba> I have not really thought about that
239 2011-01-28 06:01:56 <Kiba> I got several job offers already
240 2011-01-28 06:02:12 <ducki2p> nice lineup!
241 2011-01-28 06:03:05 <Kiba> they are leads only, not maturing yet
242 2011-01-28 06:03:14 <ducki2p> eq, I am shocked to see top posters without a forum avatar
243 2011-01-28 06:04:25 <Kiba> like me?
244 2011-01-28 06:04:30 <ducki2p> mail them with "you need an avatar and I have XYZ in mind for you, and it will cost you X"
245 2011-01-28 06:05:17 * Kiba got a story to write
246 2011-01-28 06:05:28 <ducki2p> :)
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251 2011-01-28 06:55:47 <Diablo-D3> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRaWoN6lRiI
252 2011-01-28 06:55:52 <Diablo-D3> this is a very good fucking movie
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256 2011-01-28 07:16:56 <MT`AwAy> wow
257 2011-01-28 07:16:58 <MT`AwAy> http://www.renesys.com/blog/2011/01/egypt-leaves-the-internet.shtml
258 2011-01-28 07:17:03 <MT`AwAy> did we have bitcoin users in egypt ?
259 2011-01-28 07:17:04 <Diablo-D3> MT`AwAy: yeah
260 2011-01-28 07:17:08 <Diablo-D3> and also, yes
261 2011-01-28 07:17:10 <Diablo-D3> I believe we did
262 2011-01-28 07:17:27 <MT`AwAy> would be a great way to see some large scale chain re-merging
263 2011-01-28 07:17:36 <Diablo-D3> Ive heard rumors from this channel that there are a handful of bitcoin users in arab nations
264 2011-01-28 07:17:41 <MT`AwAy> assuming people in egypt have enough cpu power to handle current difficulty
265 2011-01-28 07:17:50 <Diablo-D3> so I imagine we have at least one or two egyptian friends.
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267 2011-01-28 07:28:38 <echelon> "Your entire order can't be filled at that price."
268 2011-01-28 07:28:43 <echelon> what does that mean
269 2011-01-28 07:29:04 <sgornick> echelon: On Mt. Gox?
270 2011-01-28 07:29:22 <echelon> ya
271 2011-01-28 07:30:56 <sgornick> means even though there might have been some bitcoins available at a certain price, you didn't give a high enough bid (if buying) or a low enough ask (if selling) such that part of your order was left unfilled.
272 2011-01-28 07:32:07 <echelon> oh
273 2011-01-28 07:33:12 <sgornick> There are two good views of prices: http://www.taters.net/cgi-bin/btc/matrix.pl?axisinc=0.0025 and
274 2011-01-28 07:33:48 <sgornick> http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxUSD.html (assuming you are looking at Mt. Gox trades.)
275 2011-01-28 07:34:32 <echelon> ok thanks :)
276 2011-01-28 07:36:58 <echelon> so i have to wait until someone's offer gets low enough to mine?
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278 2011-01-28 07:41:53 <sgornick> right, ... the lowest ask right now on Mt Gox is $0.43, so if you are only willing to pay 0.42 something ..., nobody willing to sell that low. You can always cancel the remaining unfilled part of the order and place a new order at a higher amount.
279 2011-01-28 07:41:54 <sgornick> Keep in mind that you can only place an order of at least 10 BTC. But even though there are only 9.9 bitcoins for sale at $0.43, you can still place an order of 10 BTC and it will leave 0.1 BTC part of the order unfilled.
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287 2011-01-28 08:44:47 <jaromil> win 53
288 2011-01-28 08:44:50 <jaromil> ops sry
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302 2011-01-28 10:57:41 <Diablo-D3> ArtForzZz: hey
303 2011-01-28 10:58:09 <Diablo-D3> ArtForzZz: someone is reporting a 15 mhash boost on their gtx460 with your kernel... which is a 68 mhash part.
304 2011-01-28 10:59:42 <Diablo-D3> nvidia's compiler must be absolute shit
305 2011-01-28 11:03:41 <zygf> is stream sdk 2.1 still the preferred version?
306 2011-01-28 11:04:17 <Diablo-D3> yes
307 2011-01-28 11:07:33 <jwalck> ;;bc,stats
308 2011-01-28 11:07:35 <gribble> Current Blocks: 105002 | Current Difficulty: 22012.4941572 | Next Difficulty At Block: 106847 | Next Difficulty In: 1845 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 0 hours, 1 minute, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23660.11160997
309 2011-01-28 11:07:46 <jwalck> 105k blocks, thats 1/4 of all coins right?
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311 2011-01-28 11:14:41 <andrew12^droid> Damn, we have school today.
312 2011-01-28 11:25:36 <andrew12^droid> *crickets*
313 2011-01-28 11:33:29 <andrew12^droid> ;;bc,stats
314 2011-01-28 11:33:30 <gribble> Current Blocks: 105004 | Current Difficulty: 22012.4941572 | Next Difficulty At Block: 106847 | Next Difficulty In: 1843 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 0 hours, 13 minutes, and 29 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23598.87997538
315 2011-01-28 11:33:32 <andrew12^droid> ;;bc,poolstats
316 2011-01-28 11:33:33 <gribble> {"round_probability": 93.0, "hashes_ps": 30244091244, "shares": 58524, "active_workers": 356, "round_duration": "2:18:31", "round_started": "2011-01-28 09:09:45", "getwork_ps": 116}
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320 2011-01-28 11:50:47 <andrew12^droid> Ding!
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324 2011-01-28 11:59:23 <andrew12^droid> Noone?
325 2011-01-28 12:07:36 <sipa> no, sorry
326 2011-01-28 12:08:07 <andrew12^droid> Lol
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348 2011-01-28 13:30:35 <comboy> what temperature do you get with stock cooling on non-oveclocked 5970 full usage?
349 2011-01-28 13:33:39 <tcatm> 52..53 °C on my 2x 5970 miner @ 800 MHz
350 2011-01-28 13:34:05 <Diablo-D3> comboy: thats dependent on your case's airflow
351 2011-01-28 13:34:11 <sipa> fans at how much, tcatm?
352 2011-01-28 13:34:18 <tcatm> 100%
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356 2011-01-28 13:47:29 <cosurgi> damn. no block for 5 days, and my average time is 1d10h, 770 Mh.
357 2011-01-28 13:47:59 <cosurgi> I will wait a bit, then switch to pool :/ And lose 5 days.
358 2011-01-28 13:48:43 <sipa> there is no such thing as losing 5 days
359 2011-01-28 13:48:59 <sipa> your expected time to find a block doesn't change
360 2011-01-28 13:49:31 <sipa> your average time to find a block is 1d10h from *now* , even if your previous block was a week ago
361 2011-01-28 13:52:39 <cosurgi> tell me more :)
362 2011-01-28 13:52:53 <comboy> Diablo-D3: sorry connection issues, well currently it's running aut of the box, just this one card so it's not that it is inside some warm non-moving air
363 2011-01-28 13:53:15 <comboy> Diablo-D3: what temp do you get in case with nice airflow?
364 2011-01-28 13:53:29 <sipa> cosurgi: it's called statistical independency
365 2011-01-28 13:53:40 <sipa> cosurgi: every has you try has the same chance of being a good one
366 2011-01-28 13:53:43 <Diablo-D3> comboy: I dont have one, but you can keep them down below 60
367 2011-01-28 13:53:45 <sipa> *hash
368 2011-01-28 13:53:54 <Diablo-D3> comboy: you're fine as long as its below 80.
369 2011-01-28 13:54:35 <cosurgi> ok, but 95% in 4 days, 6 hours, 10 minutes.
370 2011-01-28 13:55:05 <cosurgi> so I'm now close to 98% probability of finding a block. And still not happening.
371 2011-01-28 13:55:31 <luke-jr> â¦
372 2011-01-28 13:55:56 <luke-jr> probabilities don't work like that :P
373 2011-01-28 13:56:23 <comboy> Diablo-D3: then I guess I'm not, 87 currently still rising slowly, I've bought used one :/
374 2011-01-28 13:56:31 <sipa> cosurgi: you have 95% chance to find at least one block in *any* 4 days, 6 hours, 10 minutes
375 2011-01-28 13:56:36 <luke-jr> the only factor influencing the probability is the difficulty :P
376 2011-01-28 13:56:42 <tcatm> comboy: both cores?
377 2011-01-28 13:56:48 <comboy> yeah
378 2011-01-28 13:56:48 <sipa> cosurgi: but every minute you don't find a hash, you lost that minute
379 2011-01-28 13:56:55 <luke-jr> the time since your last block is irrelevant
380 2011-01-28 13:56:57 <tcatm> comboy: what fanspeed?
381 2011-01-28 13:57:03 <comboy> tcatm: ok no I dont know if both
382 2011-01-28 13:57:09 <comboy> I just use aticonfig --odgt
383 2011-01-28 13:57:17 <tcatm> aticonfig --adapter=all --odgt
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385 2011-01-28 13:57:35 <comboy> oh, now I get two of them, thanks
386 2011-01-28 13:57:37 <luke-jr> what Linux GPU miner can someone recommend?
387 2011-01-28 13:57:40 <comboy> so 85 and 87 :/
388 2011-01-28 13:57:53 <tcatm> luke-jr: both, poclbm and Diablo-D3's
389 2011-01-28 13:58:07 <luke-jr> tcatm: can Diablo-D3's be compiled for Linux, rather than JVM?
390 2011-01-28 13:58:12 <tcatm> comboy: DISPLAY=:0.0 aticonfig --pplib-cmd 'get fanspeed 0'
391 2011-01-28 13:58:44 <sipa> luke-jr: you mean to binary code?
392 2011-01-28 13:58:45 <comboy> 44%
393 2011-01-28 13:58:53 <sipa> instead of java bytecode?
394 2011-01-28 13:58:53 <luke-jr> sipa: yes, I have no intention of installing a JVM
395 2011-01-28 13:58:57 <comboy> I wonder why it won't go faster if it gets so hot
396 2011-01-28 13:59:00 <tcatm> comboy: DISPLAY=:0.0 aticonfig --pplib-cmd 'set fanspeed 0 100'
397 2011-01-28 13:59:19 <sipa> luke-jr: it's probably a lot easier to run poclbm then, i think
398 2011-01-28 13:59:37 <comboy> tcatm: oh yeah, I like heavy music
399 2011-01-28 13:59:40 <luke-jr> did poclbm integrate ArtForzZz's code?
400 2011-01-28 13:59:43 <sipa> yes
401 2011-01-28 13:59:46 <luke-jr> cool
402 2011-01-28 14:05:08 <comboy> sorry I went away, my system hanged again :/ I wonter if that may be power adapter, but I have some 80+ bronze 750W, thought it's enough...
403 2011-01-28 14:06:20 <comboy> anyway what could be the reason ATI is not adjusting fanspeed according to temp? is it not using some feedbak loop to this just hardcoded speeds for temperatures ?
404 2011-01-28 14:06:59 <comboy> tcatm: and one more question, any place when I could find reference for all these nice commands you can send to card?
405 2011-01-28 14:07:17 <sipa> cosurgi: doesn't it change at all, or not enough?
406 2011-01-28 14:07:18 <tcatm> I only know of the set/get fanspeed command
407 2011-01-28 14:07:39 <sipa> typically it does adjust, but only slowly, and never to 100%
408 2011-01-28 14:08:00 <cosurgi> sipa: what?
409 2011-01-28 14:08:19 <sipa> cosurgi: sorry
410 2011-01-28 14:08:19 <cosurgi> oh, you're talking to comboy I guess.
411 2011-01-28 14:08:21 <sipa> yes :)
412 2011-01-28 14:08:23 <tcatm> comboy: The typical symptom of a too small PSU is sudden power off and refusing to turn on again...
413 2011-01-28 14:08:29 <comboy> sipa, so when it adjusts, do you know what temperature is it trying to achive?
414 2011-01-28 14:08:58 <cosurgi> ok, I switched to pool now.
415 2011-01-28 14:09:01 <comboy> tcatm: yeah I went through that with my previous PSU on 5870, system was unstable on weaker PSU
416 2011-01-28 14:09:21 <cosurgi> And I bet, that I will find a block or two in the pool, today or tomorrow. heh :>
417 2011-01-28 14:10:17 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: do you know how to assign a 128bit variable in opencl? like: ulong long x=0x12345678123456781234567812345678; ?
418 2011-01-28 14:10:31 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: compiler complains about too bit constant.
419 2011-01-28 14:10:50 <cosurgi> ulong long x=(ulong long)(0x12345678123456781234567812345678); isn't helping.
420 2011-01-28 14:10:57 <cosurgi> *too big.
421 2011-01-28 14:11:06 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: you cant.
422 2011-01-28 14:11:23 <Diablo-D3> there isnt a 128 bit type in opencl
423 2011-01-28 14:11:29 <comboy> tcatm: but 750W bronze 80+ ain't enough for that one card? :/
424 2011-01-28 14:11:34 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: why do you want one?
425 2011-01-28 14:12:03 <cosurgi> I have found ulong long in the 1.1 specification, it is 128bit. I want to try vectorizing sha-256.
426 2011-01-28 14:12:19 <comboy> and it's weird my otherwise very stable system hangss randomly even when this card is not in use :/
427 2011-01-28 14:12:45 <cosurgi> how about some reinterpret cast? But I didn't found a working one yet. Like this: ulong long x=as_ulong_long((uint4)(0x12345678,0x12345678,0x12345678,0x12345678));
428 2011-01-28 14:15:18 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: erm
429 2011-01-28 14:15:23 <cosurgi> yes?
430 2011-01-28 14:15:24 <Diablo-D3> thats 1.1
431 2011-01-28 14:15:30 <Diablo-D3> you require sdk 2.2 and up
432 2011-01-28 14:15:31 <Diablo-D3> AND
433 2011-01-28 14:15:36 <Diablo-D3> the hardware doesnt support such types anyhow
434 2011-01-28 14:15:42 <cosurgi> oh.
435 2011-01-28 14:15:48 <Diablo-D3> so what are you using it for?
436 2011-01-28 14:15:48 <cosurgi> but why is it compiling?
437 2011-01-28 14:15:55 <sipa> and sha256 only uses 32-bit arithmetic
438 2011-01-28 14:16:37 <cosurgi> I want to try vectorizing sha-256. Doing xors and ors on four 32 bit numbers at a single operation.
439 2011-01-28 14:17:13 <Diablo-D3> you're an idiot
440 2011-01-28 14:17:15 <cosurgi> there's one trick in addition involved, and another trick with rotating. But a single run of sha-256 woulc calculate four hashes.
441 2011-01-28 14:17:25 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: opencl already has vectorized types!
442 2011-01-28 14:17:41 <Diablo-D3> not only that
443 2011-01-28 14:17:49 <Diablo-D3> I already had that in my miner and removed it
444 2011-01-28 14:17:54 <cosurgi> I'm listening.
445 2011-01-28 14:18:05 <Diablo-D3> AMD's impl already auto vectorizes correctly.
446 2011-01-28 14:18:08 <sipa> cosurgi: you know about uint4, why not use that?
447 2011-01-28 14:18:58 <cosurgi> sipa: will have to try. I just need to make sure that xor and or works corerctly on uint4.
448 2011-01-28 14:19:22 <cosurgi> I mean - operates on all components.
449 2011-01-28 14:19:25 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: yes.
450 2011-01-28 14:19:33 <sipa> cosurgi: look at poclbm's code
451 2011-01-28 14:19:39 <Diablo-D3> vec1 operator vec4 does exactly what you think it does.
452 2011-01-28 14:19:39 <sipa> it already has uint2-based version
453 2011-01-28 14:19:40 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: so you removed it - it wasn't faster?
454 2011-01-28 14:19:48 <sipa> s/already/still/
455 2011-01-28 14:19:58 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: it was faster in exactly one case, and then AMD fixed that
456 2011-01-28 14:20:08 <cosurgi> which case?
457 2011-01-28 14:20:18 <Diablo-D3> radeon 4xxx, older drivers wernt autovec correctly
458 2011-01-28 14:20:26 <Diablo-D3> they fixed that around 10.9
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460 2011-01-28 14:21:27 <cosurgi> but, "fixed" as in - it was faster but calculating wrong, or "fixed" and we want to use older drivers, so it's faster?
461 2011-01-28 14:21:51 <Diablo-D3> before they fixed it, it chose vec1 on 4xxx, the correct is vec2
462 2011-01-28 14:21:54 <Diablo-D3> it now chooses vec2
463 2011-01-28 14:22:26 <sipa> cosurgi: fixed as in: the autovectorizer now does a better job than a programming hardcoding vectorization
464 2011-01-28 14:22:33 <sipa> *programmer
465 2011-01-28 14:22:41 <cosurgi> I see...
466 2011-01-28 14:22:43 <Diablo-D3> sipa: mostly
467 2011-01-28 14:22:56 <Diablo-D3> I saw the same exact performance as vec2 as autovec on radeon 5xxx to begin with
468 2011-01-28 14:23:05 <Diablo-D3> it was 4xxx that was doing it wrong, and it does it right now
469 2011-01-28 14:23:08 <Diablo-D3> so I removed the code
470 2011-01-28 14:23:26 <sipa> on my 4870 vec2 seems slower than no vec
471 2011-01-28 14:23:30 <Diablo-D3> and this did nothing on geforces anyhow, since they're not vectorized hardware
472 2011-01-28 14:23:34 <Diablo-D3> sipa: it does now
473 2011-01-28 14:23:42 <Diablo-D3> the new drivers fight stupid vec2 usage
474 2011-01-28 14:23:53 <Diablo-D3> vectors wernt meant to be used to SIMD shit
475 2011-01-28 14:24:00 <Diablo-D3> they were meant to hold tuples
476 2011-01-28 14:25:38 <Diablo-D3> the compiler and driver is pretty intelligent on how to properly fill the 4 ALUs wrt register usage
477 2011-01-28 14:26:18 <Diablo-D3> vec2 is the proper balance, and it works right
478 2011-01-28 14:26:36 <cosurgi> vec2 are two 32bit numbers?
479 2011-01-28 14:26:56 <Diablo-D3> literally? two 32 bit floats
480 2011-01-28 14:27:02 <Diablo-D3> but I mean two wide vectorization
481 2011-01-28 14:27:19 <cosurgi> ok. And you removed the code based on vec2 ?
482 2011-01-28 14:27:22 <Diablo-D3> yes
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484 2011-01-28 14:27:33 <Diablo-D3> it performed worse after AMD fixed radeon 4xxx.
485 2011-01-28 14:27:50 <cosurgi> and a single 32bit become faster
486 2011-01-28 14:27:58 <Diablo-D3> no
487 2011-01-28 14:28:06 <Diablo-D3> the driver autovectorizes it
488 2011-01-28 14:28:15 <Diablo-D3> internally, its doing vec2 correctly
489 2011-01-28 14:28:23 <Diablo-D3> forcing it using a uint2 was a bad idea.
490 2011-01-28 14:28:36 <cosurgi> ok...
491 2011-01-28 14:28:56 <Diablo-D3> like I said, this is not how you expose SIMD usage in opencl
492 2011-01-28 14:29:17 <Diablo-D3> the registers are 4xxx/5xxx are 32bit*4
493 2011-01-28 14:29:19 <cosurgi> but the loop is outside of the kernel. How it can be autovectorized, if a single call is with just one nonce?
494 2011-01-28 14:29:34 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: because it just runs multiple loops.
495 2011-01-28 14:29:53 <Diablo-D3> the whole kernel execution state is SIMD'ed.
496 2011-01-28 14:30:07 <cosurgi> so four loops are ran sunchronized? With four different nonces, and the driver takes care of it?
497 2011-01-28 14:30:17 <sipa> cosurgi: probably a lot more
498 2011-01-28 14:30:17 <Diablo-D3> four different everythinged
499 2011-01-28 14:30:23 <Diablo-D3> sipa: no, less
500 2011-01-28 14:30:25 <Diablo-D3> its doing 2
501 2011-01-28 14:30:31 <sipa> only two? wow
502 2011-01-28 14:30:39 <Diablo-D3> runs out of registers first
503 2011-01-28 14:30:53 <Diablo-D3> and its optimum anyhow, enough of sha256 can be ran superscalar
504 2011-01-28 14:31:10 <sipa> not two per stream processor?
505 2011-01-28 14:31:11 <Diablo-D3> so you're executing multiple things at once even in a single threaded context
506 2011-01-28 14:31:15 <Diablo-D3> sipa: hell no.
507 2011-01-28 14:31:50 <Diablo-D3> if you have a radeon 5xxx with, say, 800 pipes, you're running 1600 kernel executions at once
508 2011-01-28 14:32:05 <sipa> ok, so two per stream processor
509 2011-01-28 14:32:06 <Diablo-D3> (or 800, or 2400, or whatever is optimum for that kernel)
510 2011-01-28 14:32:22 <Diablo-D3> sipa: last time I noticed, stream processor referred to the compute unit
511 2011-01-28 14:32:28 <Diablo-D3> which you'd have, say, 24 or whatever of
512 2011-01-28 14:32:32 <sipa> hmm ok
513 2011-01-28 14:32:39 <cosurgi> ok, thanks.
514 2011-01-28 14:32:41 <sipa> my terminology can be wrong
515 2011-01-28 14:32:46 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: btw
516 2011-01-28 14:32:53 <cosurgi> yes? :)
517 2011-01-28 14:32:54 <Diablo-D3> the interesting part with that vec4 register is
518 2011-01-28 14:33:00 <Diablo-D3> vec1 usage uses only a fourth of it
519 2011-01-28 14:33:00 <Diablo-D3> AND
520 2011-01-28 14:33:15 <sipa> cosurgi: anyway, the host programs calls opencl to run a single kernel on a large number of different inputs at once
521 2011-01-28 14:33:26 <Diablo-D3> on a properly working driver, trying to vec2 your kernel stupidly means you have register read/write contention
522 2011-01-28 14:33:27 <sipa> and therefore it can vectorize
523 2011-01-28 14:33:37 <Diablo-D3> since the registers belong to the CU, not the pipes
524 2011-01-28 14:34:40 <mtgox> hi
525 2011-01-28 14:34:44 <cosurgi> ok, so it will be slower...
526 2011-01-28 14:34:47 <cosurgi> interesting.
527 2011-01-28 14:34:49 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: yes.
528 2011-01-28 14:34:56 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: the compiler is smart enough to use the hardware.
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532 2011-01-28 14:40:01 <Kiba> yo
533 2011-01-28 14:40:25 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: this is a highly parallel lockstep arch
534 2011-01-28 14:40:54 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: each group of 4 (well, 5, but the T unit isnt too useful here) ALUs work on 20 items at a time
535 2011-01-28 14:41:53 <ArtForzZz> errr... not quite
536 2011-01-28 14:42:08 <Diablo-D3> or was it 16
537 2011-01-28 14:42:10 * Diablo-D3 forgets
538 2011-01-28 14:42:11 <ArtForzZz> 16
539 2011-01-28 14:42:21 <Diablo-D3> yeah its 16
540 2011-01-28 14:42:29 <ArtForzZz> each CU is 16 * VLIW5 SIMD
541 2011-01-28 14:43:17 <ArtForzZz> 5870 has 20CU
542 2011-01-28 14:45:05 <Diablo-D3> you mean
543 2011-01-28 14:45:06 <Diablo-D3> over 9000
544 2011-01-28 14:45:37 <ArtForzZz> and now ... why is multiple of 64 localworksize optimal?
545 2011-01-28 14:45:50 <Diablo-D3> because AMD said so.
546 2011-01-28 14:45:59 <ArtForzZz> well, benchmarks also show it
547 2011-01-28 14:46:14 <Diablo-D3> its the wavefront size for the CU
548 2011-01-28 14:46:19 <ArtForzZz> yep
549 2011-01-28 14:46:26 <Diablo-D3> but it still boils down to
550 2011-01-28 14:46:28 <Diablo-D3> AMD said so.
551 2011-01-28 14:46:52 <ArtForzZz> the whole arch is really quite complicated
552 2011-01-28 14:47:09 <Diablo-D3> ArtForzZz: cosurgi wanted to reintroduece vec2 use through long longs.
553 2011-01-28 14:47:19 <ArtForzZz> meh, wont really help
554 2011-01-28 14:47:25 <Diablo-D3> I dont know what they're putting in the school lunchrooms anymore, but whatever it is, its nasty shit
555 2011-01-28 14:47:40 <cosurgi> actually I was thinking about 128bit, so that would be vec4
556 2011-01-28 14:47:42 <ArtForzZz> you're hitting the register limit with vec2s
557 2011-01-28 14:48:57 <Diablo-D3> yeah which is what I said beofre
558 2011-01-28 14:49:07 <Diablo-D3> and I also said trying to force SIMD using vecs is wrong
559 2011-01-28 14:49:17 <Diablo-D3> vecs are meant to hold tuples, not multiple work items
560 2011-01-28 14:49:18 <cosurgi> ... and if not enough registers it starts to use slow GPU memory
561 2011-01-28 14:49:38 <ArtForzZz> yup
562 2011-01-28 14:49:40 <Diablo-D3> and cramming multiple unrelated work items into a single register causes contention
563 2011-01-28 14:49:42 <Diablo-D3> which is slow
564 2011-01-28 14:49:48 <Diablo-D3> and it was a stupid fucking hack to begin with
565 2011-01-28 14:50:01 <ArtForzZz> iirc with localworksize 64 you get 64 4*32-bit registers
566 2011-01-28 14:50:26 <Diablo-D3> ArtForzZz: you know, Im wondering if thats even right
567 2011-01-28 14:50:26 <ArtForzZz> thanks to load/store restrictions thats not really much
568 2011-01-28 14:50:36 <Diablo-D3> the 16384 seems to imply thats 128 bit registers
569 2011-01-28 14:50:47 <ArtForzZz> 16384 32 bit registers
570 2011-01-28 14:50:50 <Diablo-D3> not 4096 128
571 2011-01-28 14:50:57 <Diablo-D3> s/the/they/
572 2011-01-28 14:51:07 <luke-jr> davout: so what is this for? I don't see it documented⦠:prompt => "--"
573 2011-01-28 14:51:07 <ArtForzZz> = really 4096 * 128
574 2011-01-28 14:51:12 <Diablo-D3> hrm
575 2011-01-28 14:51:16 <Diablo-D3> AMD should make that more clear
576 2011-01-28 14:51:23 <Diablo-D3> because they're not addressed that way
577 2011-01-28 14:51:31 <Diablo-D3> they're in groups of 4*32
578 2011-01-28 14:51:35 <ArtForzZz> yep
579 2011-01-28 14:51:40 <Diablo-D3> putting a vec1 in a register uses all 4 slots
580 2011-01-28 14:51:59 <ArtForzZz> well, the compiler is pretty good at using partial registers
581 2011-01-28 14:52:13 <Diablo-D3> yeah, if it can guarantee there isnt conflicts
582 2011-01-28 14:52:16 <ArtForzZz> otherwise even vec1 would be a damn tight fit
583 2011-01-28 14:52:32 <Diablo-D3> sha256 seems to only be 2x superscalar
584 2011-01-28 14:52:35 molecular has joined
585 2011-01-28 14:52:39 <ArtForzZz> ?
586 2011-01-28 14:52:43 ArtForzZz is now known as ArtForz
587 2011-01-28 14:52:52 <cosurgi> and what is the local workgroup size in Diablo's miner?
588 2011-01-28 14:52:54 <Diablo-D3> as in, you're only executing two things at once inside a normal execution
589 2011-01-28 14:53:12 <cosurgi> that is the -w 64 parameter ?
590 2011-01-28 14:53:14 <sipa> yes
591 2011-01-28 14:53:16 <ArtForz> things?
592 2011-01-28 14:53:16 <cosurgi> oh, right. of course.
593 2011-01-28 14:53:23 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: yes
594 2011-01-28 14:53:26 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: operations
595 2011-01-28 14:53:38 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: as in, if I ran this on a pentium, it'd happily fill both ALUs
596 2011-01-28 14:53:48 <ArtForz> yep
597 2011-01-28 14:53:48 <cosurgi> so with -w 256 I get 256 4*32 bit registers?
598 2011-01-28 14:53:56 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: so, 2*2 works well here.
599 2011-01-28 14:53:59 <ArtForz> well, actually check the generated ASM
600 2011-01-28 14:54:00 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: no.
601 2011-01-28 14:54:25 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: it executes one wavefront at a time... what multiples of 64 do is queue multiple wavefronts into the CU pipeline
602 2011-01-28 14:54:30 <ArtForz> seems it can make decent use of all 5 ALUs even with 2-wide autovectorization
603 2011-01-28 14:54:31 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: which does NOT help us here
604 2011-01-28 14:54:58 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: yeah, but what Im saying is, sha256 seems to be mostly all dual ALU usage normally
605 2011-01-28 14:55:11 <ArtForz> yeah, pretty much
606 2011-01-28 14:55:12 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: it wasnt designed for highly parallel calculation on a single sha256
607 2011-01-28 14:55:15 <cosurgi> oh, ok. Se regardless of local workgroup the maximum number of registers is always 64 4*32-bit ?
608 2011-01-28 14:55:16 <ArtForz> nope
609 2011-01-28 14:55:19 <Diablo-D3> so 2*2 works well
610 2011-01-28 14:55:23 <davout> luke-jr: so, any success ?
611 2011-01-28 14:55:29 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: thats how many is in the CU, 16384
612 2011-01-28 14:55:37 <ArtForz> sha256 was designed to be fast on a 2 or 3-wide superscalar 32 bit processor
613 2011-01-28 14:55:45 <cosurgi> ok.
614 2011-01-28 14:55:54 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: if you had a kernel that used, say, 1 register, you could run a shitload in parallel if the hardware allowed it
615 2011-01-28 14:56:29 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: to fit a 2x vectorized program in, it needs to use less than 32 registers.
616 2011-01-28 14:56:41 <cosurgi> so in fact, reducing the number of used registers in sha-256 is a way to go faster?
617 2011-01-28 14:56:46 <ArtForz> which it barely manages for sha256
618 2011-01-28 14:56:47 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: "no"
619 2011-01-28 14:57:02 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: you'd need to go the whole way down to less than 16 to fit 4 in
620 2011-01-28 14:57:07 <Diablo-D3> which is impossible
621 2011-01-28 14:57:12 <ArtForz> yep
622 2011-01-28 14:57:32 <luke-jr> davout: still waiting on you for an answer :P
623 2011-01-28 14:57:44 <ArtForz> well, possible, but slow as fuck because you get shitloads of data conflicts
624 2011-01-28 14:57:51 <luke-jr> davout: so what is this for? I don't see it documented⦠:prompt => "--"
625 2011-01-28 14:57:59 <Diablo-D3> yeah
626 2011-01-28 14:58:07 <Diablo-D3> which is why my forced vec4 usage fucked over shit badly
627 2011-01-28 14:58:13 <ArtForz> yep
628 2011-01-28 14:58:21 <Diablo-D3> hilariously so, too
629 2011-01-28 14:58:45 <Diablo-D3> at that time I was getting 72 on vec2 (before AMD fixed the driver), vec4 was like 50 something
630 2011-01-28 14:59:03 <Diablo-D3> and vec1 was upper 60s
631 2011-01-28 14:59:09 <cosurgi> and after the fix?
632 2011-01-28 14:59:15 <Diablo-D3> after the fix, I was nailing 75 all the time on vec1
633 2011-01-28 14:59:27 <cosurgi> I see :)
634 2011-01-28 14:59:51 <Diablo-D3> after the fix it was also matching the already existing radeon 5xxx behavior
635 2011-01-28 14:59:56 <ArtForz> IL compiler autovectorizing vec1 makes better use of units than vec2
636 2011-01-28 15:00:01 <Diablo-D3> yeah
637 2011-01-28 15:00:08 <Diablo-D3> because of that weird 5th unit
638 2011-01-28 15:00:12 <ArtForz> yep
639 2011-01-28 15:00:23 <ArtForz> who the fuck thought that was a good idea
640 2011-01-28 15:00:28 <Diablo-D3> well
641 2011-01-28 15:00:35 <Diablo-D3> I wouldnt have done what the 69xx did
642 2011-01-28 15:00:36 <ArtForz> 128-bit datapaths everywhere, let's use 5 32-bit units!
643 2011-01-28 15:00:53 <Diablo-D3> if I needed a T unit that badly, I would have just made 1 of the 4 be one
644 2011-01-28 15:01:10 <Diablo-D3> AMD must have seen a lot of T usage in common shit or something
645 2011-01-28 15:01:27 <ArtForz> well, T can also do quite a few "normal" ops
646 2011-01-28 15:01:34 <Diablo-D3> thats not what I mean
647 2011-01-28 15:01:43 <Diablo-D3> the 69xx ALUs are _all_ T units
648 2011-01-28 15:01:49 <Diablo-D3> thats just nonsensical
649 2011-01-28 15:01:52 <Diablo-D3> why make them all do it
650 2011-01-28 15:01:55 <ArtForz> ... not really
651 2011-01-28 15:02:02 <Diablo-D3> well, they can execute T unit shit
652 2011-01-28 15:02:11 <Diablo-D3> theres no reason to have a dedicated T unit anymore
653 2011-01-28 15:02:13 <cosurgi> what is 'T unit'?
654 2011-01-28 15:02:17 <cosurgi> some special ops ?
655 2011-01-28 15:02:21 <ArtForz> Transcendental
656 2011-01-28 15:02:28 <cosurgi> what it means?
657 2011-01-28 15:02:36 <Diablo-D3> it means it worships Jesus.
658 2011-01-28 15:02:37 <Diablo-D3> clearly.
659 2011-01-28 15:02:40 <ArtForz> trig functions, sqrt, double precision FP
660 2011-01-28 15:02:55 <cosurgi> hmm... useless :)
661 2011-01-28 15:02:57 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: certain 32 bit int ops too
662 2011-01-28 15:03:03 <ArtForz> yep
663 2011-01-28 15:03:11 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: actually, very useful
664 2011-01-28 15:03:25 <ArtForz> while other 32 bit int ops can only be done on the vector units...
665 2011-01-28 15:03:37 <ArtForz> looks like in 69xx xyz is the T unit
666 2011-01-28 15:03:45 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: why useful? But you are both complaining on T units
667 2011-01-28 15:04:38 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: it doesnt make sense to have a 5th unit where your pipeline is 4 units wide
668 2011-01-28 15:04:52 <cosurgi> obvioulsy.
669 2011-01-28 15:04:54 <Diablo-D3> it WOULD make sense to have a ALU that does both normal and T unit stuff
670 2011-01-28 15:05:04 <Diablo-D3> but it DOESNT make sense to have all four do it
671 2011-01-28 15:05:17 <cosurgi> ok
672 2011-01-28 15:05:35 <Diablo-D3> now, the biggest part of the circuity was being able to do doubles
673 2011-01-28 15:05:37 <ArtForz> yeah... I also dont quite get why they didnt simply merge 1 vector unit with T
674 2011-01-28 15:05:48 <Diablo-D3> 69xx does combo mode doubles
675 2011-01-28 15:05:53 <ArtForz> ?
676 2011-01-28 15:06:01 <Diablo-D3> as in, takes 2 alus to do one double op
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678 2011-01-28 15:06:17 <ArtForz> I don't think so
679 2011-01-28 15:06:20 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: it does
680 2011-01-28 15:06:24 <ArtForz> looks like it uses 3
681 2011-01-28 15:06:30 <Diablo-D3> it looks like 2
682 2011-01-28 15:06:36 <Diablo-D3> because its doing 1/2 of SP performance
683 2011-01-28 15:06:43 <ArtForz> where?
684 2011-01-28 15:06:53 <Diablo-D3> erm, doesnt 69xx do double at half the speed of single?
685 2011-01-28 15:06:57 <ArtForz> nope
686 2011-01-28 15:06:58 <ArtForz> 1/4
687 2011-01-28 15:07:01 <Diablo-D3> huh.
688 2011-01-28 15:07:04 <Diablo-D3> goddamnit AMD
689 2011-01-28 15:07:04 <ArtForz> 58xx was 1/5
690 2011-01-28 15:07:06 <Diablo-D3> quit fucking shit up.
691 2011-01-28 15:07:19 <Diablo-D3> so the only fucking thing they did
692 2011-01-28 15:07:26 <Diablo-D3> was add a few integer and useless ops to the ALus
693 2011-01-28 15:07:34 <Diablo-D3> and somehow fuck up double calculation
694 2011-01-28 15:07:38 <ArtForz> they intermingled T with XYZ
695 2011-01-28 15:07:46 <Diablo-D3> not even intermingled
696 2011-01-28 15:07:49 <ArtForz> you can do a T and a V op on XYZ + W
697 2011-01-28 15:07:51 <Diablo-D3> the most complex part of T was the doubles
698 2011-01-28 15:08:21 <cosurgi> ok, thank you guys, I gotta go now, see you later.
699 2011-01-28 15:08:30 <Diablo-D3> stuff like 32bit integer MADs and shit could easily be added to the XYZW units
700 2011-01-28 15:08:38 <Diablo-D3> since they already did 24
701 2011-01-28 15:08:45 <ArtForz> yep, integer shit is usually quite small
702 2011-01-28 15:08:54 <Diablo-D3> so maybe 69xx isnt as bad as I thought it was
703 2011-01-28 15:08:58 <ArtForz> at least compared to FP
704 2011-01-28 15:09:01 <Diablo-D3> 7xxx should be genius fucking work
705 2011-01-28 15:09:10 <x6763> is there any special order that a series of inputs or outputs of a transaction must follow?
706 2011-01-28 15:09:11 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: seeya
707 2011-01-28 15:09:17 <ArtForz> and iirc some used-to-be-T ops are now V ops
708 2011-01-28 15:09:26 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: yeah
709 2011-01-28 15:09:31 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: btw, did you get a 69xx yet?
710 2011-01-28 15:09:35 <ArtForz> yup
711 2011-01-28 15:09:41 <ArtForz> 6970
712 2011-01-28 15:09:42 <Diablo-D3> how did it fair?
713 2011-01-28 15:09:59 <ArtForz> not too bad, a bit slower than 5870
714 2011-01-28 15:10:14 <ArtForz> about 2% slower
715 2011-01-28 15:10:24 <Diablo-D3> thats... not really bad at all
716 2011-01-28 15:10:28 <Diablo-D3> given you're stuck on a broken SDK
717 2011-01-28 15:10:46 <ArtForz> well, since I dont have to use OCL anymore... not really
718 2011-01-28 15:10:51 <Diablo-D3> heh
719 2011-01-28 15:11:01 <Diablo-D3> still
720 2011-01-28 15:11:07 <Diablo-D3> 2% might as well be ignored
721 2011-01-28 15:11:11 <ArtForz> yup
722 2011-01-28 15:11:21 <Diablo-D3> for typical apps, 69xx should be fast as fuck
723 2011-01-28 15:11:30 <x6763> i'm reading a transaction from blk0001.dat, but it seems the transaction inputs are all mixed up as compared to blockexplorer, and this is affecting the transaction hash, as well as the verification
724 2011-01-28 15:11:44 <ArtForz> well, it uses more power than 5870
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726 2011-01-28 15:12:17 <ArtForz> so I kinda fear that 6990 will be even more crippled by the 300W limit than 5970
727 2011-01-28 15:12:20 <Diablo-D3> yeah, but it has a more 3D power
728 2011-01-28 15:12:41 <ArtForz> sure, it'll be faster for 3D mode, but we're a power virus :P
729 2011-01-28 15:12:45 <Diablo-D3> I mean, its a fucking video card, people do simple SP ops on it
730 2011-01-28 15:12:54 <Diablo-D3> it does this exceedingly well
731 2011-01-28 15:13:06 <Diablo-D3> the fact it also has a very powerful integer engine is just extra awesomery
732 2011-01-28 15:13:14 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: you know what I was thinking?
733 2011-01-28 15:13:14 <ArtForz> yup
734 2011-01-28 15:13:30 <Diablo-D3> you know how powervr chips like you to use lower computation int ops when you can?
735 2011-01-28 15:13:37 <Diablo-D3> like lowp in glsl shaders and shit
736 2011-01-28 15:13:49 <Diablo-D3> imagine if catalyst knew how to do that
737 2011-01-28 15:14:00 <Diablo-D3> it'd be EVEN FASTER
738 2011-01-28 15:14:36 <ArtForz> yup
739 2011-01-28 15:15:08 <Diablo-D3> although, to be fair
740 2011-01-28 15:15:15 <Diablo-D3> thats not the bottleneck
741 2011-01-28 15:15:36 <Diablo-D3> the ONLY bottleneck left (besides the obvious "theres never enough memory bandwidth ever") is how the triangle setup engine works
742 2011-01-28 15:15:43 <ArtForz> yep
743 2011-01-28 15:15:45 <Diablo-D3> it still prefers 16 pixel triangles
744 2011-01-28 15:16:06 <ArtForz> what I dont get, where's the HUGE bottleneck in ATIs arch
745 2011-01-28 15:16:22 <Diablo-D3> I mean, it does everything else wonderfully
746 2011-01-28 15:16:28 <Diablo-D3> you can feed it crazy complex pixel shaders
747 2011-01-28 15:16:34 <Diablo-D3> and it just chugs right through them
748 2011-01-28 15:16:39 <ArtForz> raw shader throughput of a 5870 is >4x of a GTX580 ...
749 2011-01-28 15:16:47 <Diablo-D3> almost disproportionately so
750 2011-01-28 15:16:57 <ArtForz> errr... 3x
751 2011-01-28 15:16:59 <Diablo-D3> it can run through normal shaders faster than it can run through tiny triangles
752 2011-01-28 15:17:26 <ArtForz> err... wait. nevermind
753 2011-01-28 15:17:28 <Diablo-D3> which also fucks itself because it has a fancy new tess engine
754 2011-01-28 15:17:37 <comboy> you guys were progamming GPUs before bitcoin?
755 2011-01-28 15:17:48 <Diablo-D3> raw shader throughput is more like 2x geforce
756 2011-01-28 15:17:51 <ArtForz> yep
757 2011-01-28 15:17:54 <Diablo-D3> on normal glsl shaders
758 2011-01-28 15:18:09 <ArtForz> on anything that makes good use of the VLIW-SIMD arch
759 2011-01-28 15:18:12 <Diablo-D3> do a shitload of textures concurrently, or do exceedingly complex ones, then 5xxx really shines
760 2011-01-28 15:18:26 <Diablo-D3> on most games, its only around 2x
761 2011-01-28 15:18:27 <comboy> may I ask what for? some science computation, security or what?
762 2011-01-28 15:18:39 <Diablo-D3> comboy: I do it has a hobby
763 2011-01-28 15:18:48 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: now, you have games running the other direction
764 2011-01-28 15:18:56 <Diablo-D3> very simple shaders
765 2011-01-28 15:19:17 <ArtForz> which is why 6xxx got less shadery :P
766 2011-01-28 15:19:33 <Diablo-D3> well, not only less, it seems to handle simple ones faster
767 2011-01-28 15:19:36 <Diablo-D3> not sure wh
768 2011-01-28 15:19:37 <Diablo-D3> *why
769 2011-01-28 15:19:45 <Kiba> Diablo-D3 have a hobby?
770 2011-01-28 15:19:51 <Kiba> I thought he make very little!
771 2011-01-28 15:19:57 <ArtForz> iirc they beefed up the schedulting units for 68xx
772 2011-01-28 15:19:59 <Diablo-D3> my hobbies are free.
773 2011-01-28 15:20:00 <ArtForz> *scheduling
774 2011-01-28 15:20:03 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: probably
775 2011-01-28 15:20:13 <Diablo-D3> per shader/triangle/whatever setup cost seems to be less
776 2011-01-28 15:20:23 <Diablo-D3> which also seems to be where half that awesome tess performance is coming from
777 2011-01-28 15:20:30 <ArtForz> yep
778 2011-01-28 15:20:48 <Diablo-D3> which is where it fucks itself
779 2011-01-28 15:20:53 <Diablo-D3> if I cant have a triangle per pixel
780 2011-01-28 15:20:55 <Diablo-D3> whats the point
781 2011-01-28 15:21:05 <Diablo-D3> thats the last true flaw.
782 2011-01-28 15:21:12 <luke-jr> davout: + <%= f.collection_select :bitcoin_number_system, nil, ["Automatic", "Decimal", "Tonal"], :prompt => "--" %>
783 2011-01-28 15:21:15 <ArtForz> *shrug*
784 2011-01-28 15:21:15 <luke-jr> davout: that look good?
785 2011-01-28 15:21:19 <Diablo-D3> I might as well render the screen 16x bigger, with AA off
786 2011-01-28 15:21:23 <Diablo-D3> and then manually shrink it
787 2011-01-28 15:21:33 <Diablo-D3> instant triangle per pixel
788 2011-01-28 15:21:39 <Diablo-D3> NO ONE WILL EVER NOTICE
789 2011-01-28 15:23:16 <ArtForz> might be a reason why ATI is pushing res
790 2011-01-28 15:25:15 <ArtForz> nvidia starts to relatively lose ground once beyond 4MP or so
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793 2011-01-28 15:30:42 <x6763> nevermind my question earlier...at this point it looks like a serialization bug
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795 2011-01-28 15:34:45 <davout> luke-jr: does it work ? :)
796 2011-01-28 15:34:57 <luke-jr> davout: nfc
797 2011-01-28 15:35:05 <luke-jr> davout: got some Ruby mess to test it on? :P
798 2011-01-28 15:35:33 <davout> luke-jr: what ?
799 2011-01-28 15:35:36 <luke-jr> is Ruby flexible enough to, like PHP, let you throw it in some subdir on bitcoin-central.com?
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801 2011-01-28 15:37:56 <davout> oh, do you mean do i have a test server ?
802 2011-01-28 15:38:06 <davout> well easiest is to just move to the rails dir
803 2011-01-28 15:38:11 <davout> and do rails s
804 2011-01-28 15:38:27 <davout> you might want to install the rails stack if you have some ruby on rails development to do :)
805 2011-01-28 15:43:00 <luke-jr> I don't want to install Ruby
806 2011-01-28 15:43:18 <luke-jr> nor a webserver, for that matter
807 2011-01-28 15:45:20 <davout> luke-jr: yea, testing code is for faggots anyway
808 2011-01-28 15:45:53 <luke-jr> :P
809 2011-01-28 15:45:58 <luke-jr> nah, just Ruby
810 2011-01-28 15:46:37 <luke-jr> I wouldn't know how to set it up anyway
811 2011-01-28 15:56:58 <davout> what system are you running ?
812 2011-01-28 15:57:16 <luke-jr> Gentoo
813 2011-01-28 15:57:31 <luke-jr> desktop, not server
814 2011-01-28 15:58:27 <davout> installing rubygems
815 2011-01-28 15:58:31 <davout> shouldn't be that hard
816 2011-01-28 15:58:50 <davout> from there you can just go gem install rails
817 2011-01-28 15:59:55 <Kiba> timmmmmmme to work on my job
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824 2011-01-28 16:23:10 <grondilu> yesterday I sent my cheque and credit card back to my bank, asking for the closure of my account. Now, who's the greatest bitcoin fan :) ??
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826 2011-01-28 16:26:08 <nanotube> grondilu: haha nice
827 2011-01-28 16:26:37 <edcba> grondilu: where is your money now ?
828 2011-01-28 16:27:35 <grondilu> well, honnestly I have an other bank account, with shareholdings. But no more credit card.
829 2011-01-28 16:28:30 <grondilu> I was spending 60 EUR a year for it and I almost never used it anyway.
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831 2011-01-28 16:30:13 <edcba> yes cc are evils
832 2011-01-28 16:30:33 <grondilu> Moreover, I will try morpheus service (http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2627.0) if really need a VISA card.
833 2011-01-28 16:30:33 <edcba> but now it seems cc companies are starting to push anonym cc
834 2011-01-28 16:31:04 <grondilu> anonym cc would be a huge help for bitcoins.
835 2011-01-28 16:31:17 <edcba> why ?
836 2011-01-28 16:31:33 <grondilu> because it would be a great gateway system.
837 2011-01-28 16:32:06 <edcba> i don't follow you
838 2011-01-28 16:32:17 <grondilu> just like morpheus proposal.
839 2011-01-28 16:33:17 <luke-jr> lol
840 2011-01-28 16:33:29 <luke-jr> I don't pay for credit cards
841 2011-01-28 16:33:33 <luke-jr> just have crappy low limits
842 2011-01-28 16:34:44 <afed> any of you deploy a 69X0 card
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844 2011-01-28 16:35:12 <afed> i have two 6950 cards that won't run stable more than a few hours
845 2011-01-28 16:35:23 <afed> even without mods or overclocks, and on a 850 watt psu
846 2011-01-28 16:36:05 <afed> new drivers though, i had better try them
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857 2011-01-28 17:29:42 <molecular> ;;bc,estimate
858 2011-01-28 17:29:43 <gribble> 24010.90024766
859 2011-01-28 17:29:57 <molecular> ;;bc,diff
860 2011-01-28 17:29:57 <gribble> 22012.4941572
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862 2011-01-28 17:30:26 <molecular> ;;bc,stats
863 2011-01-28 17:30:27 <gribble> Current Blocks: 105047 | Current Difficulty: 22012.4941572 | Next Difficulty At Block: 106847 | Next Difficulty In: 1800 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 12 hours, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 24010.90024766
864 2011-01-28 17:30:46 <newsham> in mtgox when you queue an order, it doesnt seem to reserve the money from your account to cover the order.
865 2011-01-28 17:31:05 <newsham> does that mean you can place many orders in the queue that cant be filled due to insufficient funds?
866 2011-01-28 17:31:27 <newsham> couldnt you use that to game the market depth data?
867 2011-01-28 17:32:29 <molecular> ;;bc,totalbc
868 2011-01-28 17:32:29 <gribble> 5252350.00000000
869 2011-01-28 17:38:22 <molecular> newsham, I think what you're saying is true.
870 2011-01-28 17:40:10 <newsham> :(
871 2011-01-28 17:40:17 <newsham> so market depth data is an illusion :(
872 2011-01-28 17:40:21 <newsham> (not to mention dark pools)
873 2011-01-28 17:40:56 <molecular> well, that one big ask (16500 for 0.51) is not an illusion
874 2011-01-28 17:41:12 <citizen> anyone here use m0mchil's miner on windows?
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876 2011-01-28 17:44:43 <molecular> probably not so many here use win. maybe your question can be answered anyway
877 2011-01-28 17:45:03 <citizen> im a bit confused as to the steps to get the miner running on a windows machine
878 2011-01-28 17:45:11 <citizen> 1) download m0mchil's package
879 2011-01-28 17:45:34 <citizen> 2) download python
880 2011-01-28 17:45:40 <citizen> 3) download pyopencl
881 2011-01-28 17:45:55 <citizen> then does something need to be compiled...
882 2011-01-28 17:46:48 <citizen> http://www.newslobster.com/random/how-to-get-started-using-your-gpu-to-mine-for-bitcoins-on-windows
883 2011-01-28 17:47:15 <citizen> the instruction link doesn't even say anything about downloading python or pyopencl
884 2011-01-28 17:47:50 <[Noodles]> if you just use m0mchils pre-compiled binaries, there's no need for python
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886 2011-01-28 17:48:07 <citizen> oh ok, so it is set to go then
887 2011-01-28 17:48:21 <[Noodles]> you only need to install python and pyopencl if you want to build it yourself
888 2011-01-28 17:48:31 <citizen> excellent
889 2011-01-28 17:48:35 <[Noodles]> just unpack m0mchils miner and start it
890 2011-01-28 17:48:37 <citizen> thank you so much
891 2011-01-28 17:48:53 <[Noodles]> and yes, me runs it on windows too
892 2011-01-28 17:48:56 <citizen> last question - is it a common practice to run bitcoin -server with an open port
893 2011-01-28 17:49:08 <citizen> on a routable interface
894 2011-01-28 17:49:17 <citizen> and have machines at remote locations dumping into it
895 2011-01-28 17:49:29 <citizen> or are there any security concerns doing this
896 2011-01-28 17:50:11 <[Noodles]> dont think so
897 2011-01-28 17:50:15 <molecular> shouldn't be a problem
898 2011-01-28 17:50:18 <citizen> does bitcoin have to be running on the machine that is running the miner
899 2011-01-28 17:50:24 <molecular> just protect your wallet.dat
900 2011-01-28 17:50:35 <[Noodles]> no, you dont need to run bitcoin to run a miner
901 2011-01-28 17:50:35 <molecular> no, you can do it like you described above
902 2011-01-28 17:50:44 <citizen> cool!
903 2011-01-28 17:50:50 <molecular> just use good rpc password
904 2011-01-28 17:51:03 <citizen> roger that
905 2011-01-28 17:51:22 citizen is now known as citiz3n
906 2011-01-28 17:51:25 <molecular> and protect the machine from other intrusions as you normally would
907 2011-01-28 17:51:46 <citiz3n> yeah i would only have 8333 forwarded, nothing else
908 2011-01-28 17:52:05 <citiz3n> thanks much - can't wait to try this business out :)
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911 2011-01-28 18:05:58 <citiz3n> so the bitcoin client does not create the bitcoin.conf file even after first run?
912 2011-01-28 18:06:02 <citiz3n> you must create this yourself?
913 2011-01-28 18:06:21 <molecular> I think so
914 2011-01-28 18:06:31 <molecular> at least it was like that with my linux client
915 2011-01-28 18:07:17 <molecular> mine now contains 2 lines: "rpcuser=yyy" and "rpcpassword=xxx"
916 2011-01-28 18:09:06 <citiz3n> any idea if there are size/character limitations on either?
917 2011-01-28 18:09:41 <gavinandresen> Carriage returns in your username or password would be a bad idea....
918 2011-01-28 18:10:06 <gavinandresen> (but otherwise bitcoin doesn't care)
919 2011-01-28 18:11:15 <gavinandresen> Oh, # might cause problems, since that's the comment character for .conf files
920 2011-01-28 18:11:41 <citiz3n> cool
921 2011-01-28 18:14:35 <molecular> hmm, I have 2 bitcoin clients running behind a NAT. the first one is good, 63 connection, but the other one doesn't seem to connect.
922 2011-01-28 18:15:06 <molecular> should I use a different port on the other one or something?
923 2011-01-28 18:15:16 <molecular> or should I just make a single connection to the first one?
924 2011-01-28 18:15:33 <gavinandresen> single connection to the first one (-connect=IP) is the most efficient
925 2011-01-28 18:16:21 <molecular> makes sense, thank. but still the second one should be able to connect to other nodes in theory. it seems it's loading peers from irc (debug.log)
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927 2011-01-28 18:17:15 <gavinandresen> Yup, it should be able to connect out.
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929 2011-01-28 18:17:48 <gavinandresen> Maybe it is just unlucky and hasn't been able to find a peer that has an open port.
930 2011-01-28 18:17:59 <molecular> possible
931 2011-01-28 18:18:06 <molecular> will just use -connect to the other, good enough
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933 2011-01-28 18:24:27 <citiz3n> why am i getting "error: couldn't connect to server" when trying to RUN the server
934 2011-01-28 18:24:34 <citiz3n> im running bitcoin.exe with the -server switch
935 2011-01-28 18:25:39 <gavinandresen> It thinks you're trying to send a command to an already-running bitcoin. What's the command line exactly?
936 2011-01-28 18:27:51 <citiz3n> ah, i figured it out
937 2011-01-28 18:28:11 <citiz3n> i was having trouble with the syntax in the batch file, so I tried a ) at the end
938 2011-01-28 18:28:15 <citiz3n> like the instructions showed
939 2011-01-28 18:28:22 <citiz3n> when i removed the ) it works now
940 2011-01-28 18:28:23 <citiz3n> :)
941 2011-01-28 18:29:03 <citiz3n> i thought that ) was weird - it was just part of the instructions not part of the command.
942 2011-01-28 18:29:11 <citiz3n> looks like im up and running now
943 2011-01-28 18:30:12 <gavinandresen> That'd do it... Hey, I'm about to go grab lunch, would you mind filing an issue at github bitcoin/bitcoin asking that the "cannot connect to server" error message say what command it was trying to send? You're not the first person to waste time trying to figure that problem out....
944 2011-01-28 18:38:40 <molecular> newsham: actually I just tried to do what you feared would be possible. and actually now I think mtgox _does_ reserve the funds.
945 2011-01-28 18:39:23 <molecular> newsham, my order got split into one with status "active" and one with status "no enough funds", when I tried to sell more than I had minus what I alread had in orders
946 2011-01-28 18:40:22 <molecular> newsham, I assume the "not enough funds" order will not show up "depth of market"
947 2011-01-28 18:41:51 <molecular> newsham, I just verified this, it doesn't show up in depth of market table
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951 2011-01-28 18:50:52 <molecular> someone actually bought 24000 btc about half a day ago on mtgox, am I seeing this right?
952 2011-01-28 19:03:34 <citiz3n> what's the command switch to connect the client to a server on a specified IP?
953 2011-01-28 19:04:27 <citiz3n> -connect=xx.xx.xx.xx
954 2011-01-28 19:04:29 <citiz3n> i think
955 2011-01-28 19:05:26 mtgox has joined
956 2011-01-28 19:05:39 <citiz3n> or not
957 2011-01-28 19:05:46 <citiz3n> hello, mtgox
958 2011-01-28 19:06:49 <afed> lol difficulty going WAY up
959 2011-01-28 19:10:11 <citiz3n> again?
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961 2011-01-28 19:10:23 <EvanR> bah.
962 2011-01-28 19:10:37 <EvanR> i ran bitcoin gui on my new computer, and its taking forever to load
963 2011-01-28 19:11:16 <helmut> EvanR: you mean it is downloading the block chain slowly?
964 2011-01-28 19:11:17 <EvanR> it does network traffic but doesnt show the gui
965 2011-01-28 19:11:27 <EvanR> it has to be finished downloading the block chain, i left it on all night
966 2011-01-28 19:13:35 <afed> reboot and try again?
967 2011-01-28 19:18:15 <gavinandresen> EvanR: windows, mac or linux?
968 2011-01-28 19:19:13 <ne0futur> EvanR: check your firewall ?
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974 2011-01-28 19:23:41 <gavinandresen> EvanR: if windows, check for over-active virus software; see http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=323.0
975 2011-01-28 19:23:41 * molecular must say he's having connection troubles, too
976 2011-01-28 19:23:54 <molecular> maybe the net is low on available peers with open ports?
977 2011-01-28 19:23:59 <Kiba> so we got a big fricking protest in Egypt
978 2011-01-28 19:24:27 <Kiba> start up this decade with a big bang, eh
979 2011-01-28 19:24:41 <Kiba> that how 2000s start that way too
980 2011-01-28 19:24:46 <Kiba> 9/11 attack
981 2011-01-28 19:24:47 <gavinandresen> molecular: possibly. That reminds me, "we" need to update the list of hard-coded nodes in the client...
982 2011-01-28 19:25:30 <molecular> when is 0.3.20 due?
983 2011-01-28 19:26:38 <gavinandresen> When it has had more testing; we need people who are willing to compile and test and report back their results.
984 2011-01-28 19:26:40 <citiz3n> can anyone help me by letting me know how to connect the windows client bitcoin.exe to another windows client running in -server mode
985 2011-01-28 19:26:48 <citiz3n> eg. how to specify the IP for the client to connect to
986 2011-01-28 19:27:02 * molecular is wondering why it says "4/unconfirmed" on a transaction when before it would count as confirmed at 3
987 2011-01-28 19:27:08 <molecular> citiz3n, probably use "-connect <ip>"
988 2011-01-28 19:27:09 <citiz3n> does the client even have this capability, or must you run a mining client?
989 2011-01-28 19:27:16 <gavinandresen> citiz3n: both inside a NAT firewall?
990 2011-01-28 19:27:24 <citiz3n> in this case, yes
991 2011-01-28 19:27:49 <gavinandresen> Lets call the machines A and B. Where A is running normally, connected to outside machines.
992 2011-01-28 19:28:20 <citiz3n> ok
993 2011-01-28 19:28:27 <gavinandresen> On A, you need to set rpcpassword/rpcuser, and set rpcallowip=192.168.*.* (or whatever your LAN ip addresses are)
994 2011-01-28 19:28:44 <gavinandresen> On B, you need to -connect=A.IP.Address
995 2011-01-28 19:29:04 <citiz3n> ah, rcpallowip...
996 2011-01-28 19:29:07 <citiz3n> i didn't know about that one
997 2011-01-28 19:29:09 <gavinandresen> rPc
998 2011-01-28 19:29:16 <citiz3n> yes
999 2011-01-28 19:29:17 <gavinandresen> (I always accidently type rcp, too)
1000 2011-01-28 19:29:18 <molecular> if I don't use rpcallowip, is the rpc port closed completely? it seems I can connect to my "A-Machine" withough using rpcallowip
1001 2011-01-28 19:29:26 <citiz3n> rcp sounds better ;)
1002 2011-01-28 19:29:35 <citiz3n> but rather than buck the system, ill go with rpc :D
1003 2011-01-28 19:29:51 <gavinandresen> Without rpcallowip, only 127.0.0.1 (aka localhost) is allowed to connect.
1004 2011-01-28 19:30:53 <molecular> actuall, gavinandresen, that doesn't seem to be true. I started bitcoin on machine A, then on B "bitcoin -connect A".. it's working
1005 2011-01-28 19:30:58 <gavinandresen> Oh, wait, hang on, you're not sending rpc commands from B to A....
1006 2011-01-28 19:31:05 <gavinandresen> (so you don't actually need rpcallowip)
1007 2011-01-28 19:31:13 <molecular> ah!
1008 2011-01-28 19:31:22 <molecular> it's a "normal p2p" connect
1009 2011-01-28 19:31:23 <molecular> ?
1010 2011-01-28 19:31:47 <citiz3n> well, the idea was to have it get/dump work to the instance running with the -server switch
1011 2011-01-28 19:31:55 <citiz3n> like a miner would do
1012 2011-01-28 19:31:59 <gavinandresen> Yeah, -connect says connect to port 8333 (the bitcoin network port).
1013 2011-01-28 19:32:14 <gavinandresen> citiz3n: "it" is bitcoin or a miner?
1014 2011-01-28 19:32:22 <citiz3n> bitcoin
1015 2011-01-28 19:32:24 <citiz3n> .exe
1016 2011-01-28 19:32:38 <citiz3n> the regular GUI windows client
1017 2011-01-28 19:32:55 <citiz3n> does this have this functionality, or should i just forget it
1018 2011-01-28 19:32:57 <gavinandresen> Last I checked, bitcoin.exe can't act as an external miner.
1019 2011-01-28 19:33:16 <gavinandresen> (you can send it getwork, but it won't send completed work out)
1020 2011-01-28 19:33:19 <citiz3n> ah ok, so that feature was put in there expressly for 3rd party miners
1021 2011-01-28 19:33:32 <gavinandresen> Yup.
1022 2011-01-28 19:33:38 <citiz3n> ok cool, well that is cleared up at least :)
1023 2011-01-28 19:34:14 <molecular> what's the default rpcport?
1024 2011-01-28 19:34:29 <gavinandresen> 8332
1025 2011-01-28 19:34:37 <gavinandresen> (change it with -rpcport=...)
1026 2011-01-28 19:34:40 <molecular> and 8333 is the p2p-port?
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1028 2011-01-28 19:34:44 <gavinandresen> yup
1029 2011-01-28 19:35:19 <citiz3n> seems like there's a real lack of documentation for all of this
1030 2011-01-28 19:35:32 <citiz3n> the forums are a bit hard to navigate and find answers to easy questions
1031 2011-01-28 19:35:36 <molecular> stupid me, forgot the -server flag
1032 2011-01-28 19:35:44 <citiz3n> how long has bitcoin been active?
1033 2011-01-28 19:37:39 <molecular> http://nullvoid.org/bitcoin/difficultiez.php
1034 2011-01-28 19:37:50 <molecular> Block 0 was created on Sat, 03 Jan 2009
1035 2011-01-28 19:39:17 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: hi
1036 2011-01-28 19:39:21 <molecular> http://nullvoid.org/bitcoin/ <- that's a nice site. who's running it?
1037 2011-01-28 19:39:31 <gavinandresen> hi luke-jr
1038 2011-01-28 19:39:53 <ArtForz> molecular: iirc necrodearia
1039 2011-01-28 19:39:53 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: do you concur with dooglus that not rounding BTCents is dangerous? :P
1040 2011-01-28 19:40:06 * necrodearia glances around
1041 2011-01-28 19:40:11 <ArtForz> dangerous how?
1042 2011-01-28 19:40:31 <luke-jr> molecular: I think mizerydearia
1043 2011-01-28 19:40:35 <luke-jr> ArtForz: I don't know
1044 2011-01-28 19:40:36 <ArtForz> right
1045 2011-01-28 19:40:43 <ArtForz> too many dearias in here :P
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1047 2011-01-28 19:41:21 <ArtForz> normal clients are already sending transactions with unrounded subcent values around
1048 2011-01-28 19:41:29 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: I looked at your patches, and my concern is that they don't fix the whole problem in a consistent way-- e.g. using your patches, somebody using the GUI might get a message that says "This transaction needs to pay a fee of 0.00 bitcoins; OK?" .....
1049 2011-01-28 19:41:40 <gavinandresen> (because the GUI would continue to round)
1050 2011-01-28 19:41:44 * molecular is having trouble gettin >2 connections
1051 2011-01-28 19:41:54 <citiz3n> what's the connection ip address switch
1052 2011-01-28 19:42:01 <citiz3n> trying to dig through forums to find it
1053 2011-01-28 19:42:08 <citiz3n> address?
1054 2011-01-28 19:42:14 <ArtForz> imo rounding for displaying the value in that case is stupid
1055 2011-01-28 19:42:27 <gavinandresen> ArtForz: I completely agree.
1056 2011-01-28 19:42:30 <molecular> citiz3n, did you try "bitcoin -h" ?
1057 2011-01-28 19:42:31 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: the GUI doesn't use RPC
1058 2011-01-28 19:42:52 <citiz3n> im firing up m0mchil's miner now
1059 2011-01-28 19:42:59 <citiz3n> so want to see if it will connect to my server
1060 2011-01-28 19:42:59 <luke-jr> IMO displaying any rounded values is a bug
1061 2011-01-28 19:43:02 <citiz3n> server is running fine
1062 2011-01-28 19:43:18 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: Right, but one of your patches adds sub-cent "throwaway" change to nFee returned... which will affect the GUI
1063 2011-01-28 19:43:29 <necrodearia> ;;bc,stats
1064 2011-01-28 19:43:30 <gribble> Current Blocks: 105062 | Current Difficulty: 22012.4941572 | Next Difficulty At Block: 106847 | Next Difficulty In: 1785 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 9 hours, 42 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 24025.27191971
1065 2011-01-28 19:43:34 <citiz3n> i see you have to use --user=youruser -pass=yourpw
1066 2011-01-28 19:43:45 <citiz3n> but the instructions don't say how to specify an IP
1067 2011-01-28 19:43:54 <necrodearia> mm, my site's estimated difficulty shows est. new difficulty: 23881.47951016981
1068 2011-01-28 19:44:09 <necrodearia> it must be wrong
1069 2011-01-28 19:44:16 <molecular> are you trying to use bitcoin.exe as a miner connection to another bitcoin.exe? that won't work
1070 2011-01-28 19:44:24 <molecular> *connecting
1071 2011-01-28 19:44:29 <citiz3n> nope, im using m0mchil's miner now
1072 2011-01-28 19:44:33 <ArtForz> my code currently says ... 24025.3
1073 2011-01-28 19:44:33 <molecular> ah, ok
1074 2011-01-28 19:44:36 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: I agree that displaying rounded values in the GUI aught to be fixed-- it aught to display 1.00 for 1 bitcoin, or 1.00000001 if that's the exact amount.
1075 2011-01-28 19:45:15 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: it's better to show 0.00 BTC fee, than to not show a fee at all, IMO
1076 2011-01-28 19:45:19 <Kiba> I realize I been procrastinating quite a bit
1077 2011-01-28 19:45:24 <ArtForz> yep
1078 2011-01-28 19:45:40 <molecular> citiz3n, maybe you have to also use "--host"
1079 2011-01-28 19:45:53 <molecular> citiz3n, and also, did you start bitcoin.exe with the "-server" flag?
1080 2011-01-28 19:45:59 <citiz3n> yup :)
1081 2011-01-28 19:46:05 <citiz3n> i will try --host
1082 2011-01-28 19:46:15 <citiz3n> i didn't know if it was --address --ip --host etc
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1084 2011-01-28 19:46:21 <citiz3n> so --host=xx.xx.xx.xx
1085 2011-01-28 19:46:32 <molecular> if you set the rpcport to sth other than 8332 you also need "--port"
1086 2011-01-28 19:46:43 <molecular> yeah
1087 2011-01-28 19:46:50 <ArtForz> hrrrm, or dont report unavoidable sub-cent change throwaway at all
1088 2011-01-28 19:47:06 <gavinandresen> ArtForz: that's what the GUI does now.
1089 2011-01-28 19:47:14 <ArtForz> errr... no
1090 2011-01-28 19:47:23 <ArtForz> right now it doesnt even try to avoid sub-cent change
1091 2011-01-28 19:48:00 <molecular> citiz3n, if you have rather low mining power, I would suggest using pooled mining (e.g. http://mining.bitcoin.cz) anyway
1092 2011-01-28 19:48:15 <luke-jr> gitorious master now only includes the undisputable bugfix: avoiding subcent throwaway
1093 2011-01-28 19:48:28 <ArtForz> ahhh, k
1094 2011-01-28 19:48:32 <ArtForz> well, that sounds ok
1095 2011-01-28 19:48:38 <citiz3n> a window is popping open then closing right away
1096 2011-01-28 19:48:42 <citiz3n> i can't see what it's saying
1097 2011-01-28 19:48:42 <luke-jr> IMO, reporting the subcent throwaway as a fee, is also a bugfix
1098 2011-01-28 19:48:47 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: I suppose my, and dooglus' meta-point is that it's not a simple straightforward bug fix. So it aught to be discussed in the forums.
1099 2011-01-28 19:48:52 <luke-jr> but if it's disputed, I can make it another branch
1100 2011-01-28 19:48:58 <molecular> citiz3n, when doing what?
1101 2011-01-28 19:48:58 <ArtForz> except if you see it, that means you can't avoid it
1102 2011-01-28 19:49:04 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: well, dooglus's point was about something different
1103 2011-01-28 19:49:19 <luke-jr> ArtForz: but you might opt to send the recipient it instead
1104 2011-01-28 19:49:23 <citiz3n> i created a batch file to start the poclbm.exe
1105 2011-01-28 19:49:24 <luke-jr> eg, Fee or Send All
1106 2011-01-28 19:49:30 <gavinandresen> Am I misremembering? I thought he asked you to create a separate thread to discuss....
1107 2011-01-28 19:49:40 <citiz3n> with --user=username --pass=mypw --host=xx.xx.xx.xx
1108 2011-01-28 19:49:41 <molecular> try starting it from a cmd-prompt (start->execute->"cmd")
1109 2011-01-28 19:49:46 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: no, that's right. Just not about the subcent fee bit
1110 2011-01-28 19:49:47 <citiz3n> yeah i did that too
1111 2011-01-28 19:50:02 <citiz3n> it's definitely running the poclbm.exe
1112 2011-01-28 19:50:02 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: his concept was allowing RPC commands to give subcent floats
1113 2011-01-28 19:50:03 <ArtForz> I'd like to avoid that currently
1114 2011-01-28 19:50:08 <molecular> then drop your .bat-file into the black cmd-window
1115 2011-01-28 19:50:10 <citiz3n> but i can't tell what it's doing after that it just pops open then close
1116 2011-01-28 19:50:16 <citiz3n> yeah i did that too molecular
1117 2011-01-28 19:50:32 <citiz3n> it pops open a new black window that closes right away
1118 2011-01-28 19:50:39 <citiz3n> it prints some text then closes
1119 2011-01-28 19:50:48 <citiz3n> maybe i can screenshot it really quick :P
1120 2011-01-28 19:50:53 <molecular> yeah, to avoid closing: do what I said above (use "cmd")
1121 2011-01-28 19:50:57 <ArtForz> sending transactions that include unexpected sub-cent values to recipient around could cause problems
1122 2011-01-28 19:51:03 <molecular> no, it's simpler than that
1123 2011-01-28 19:51:21 <molecular> you open a terminal by running "cmd" (start->execute, enter "cmd")
1124 2011-01-28 19:51:42 <citiz3n> yeah that's what i tried
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1126 2011-01-28 19:51:48 <citiz3n> the command prompt stays open just fine
1127 2011-01-28 19:51:54 <molecular> that window should not close until you enter "exit"
1128 2011-01-28 19:51:57 <molecular> ah
1129 2011-01-28 19:52:11 <citiz3n> it pops open another window that looks similar to a command promp - a black window
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1131 2011-01-28 19:52:18 <ArtForz> GPU miner?
1132 2011-01-28 19:52:19 <citiz3n> that says something and closes, so ill see if i can grab it with a screenshot
1133 2011-01-28 19:52:22 <citiz3n> yup, art
1134 2011-01-28 19:52:29 <citiz3n> m0mchil's miner
1135 2011-01-28 19:52:31 <ArtForz> ATI card?
1136 2011-01-28 19:52:38 <citiz3n> geforce
1137 2011-01-28 19:52:45 <ArtForz> hurrm, then I don't know
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1139 2011-01-28 19:53:09 <molecular> citiz3n, why not enter whatever you do in your .bat-file directly into the cmd window?
1140 2011-01-28 19:53:46 <ArtForz> do you do a exec/start or something to run something in a new windows in your .bat ?
1141 2011-01-28 19:53:53 <ArtForz> *window
1142 2011-01-28 19:54:13 <citiz3n> i tried running the .bat directly and then i tried pasting the contents of the .bat into cmd.exe
1143 2011-01-28 19:54:23 <ArtForz> and?
1144 2011-01-28 19:54:33 <citiz3n> when doing the latter, the cmd.exe stays open just fine
1145 2011-01-28 19:54:50 <citiz3n> and a second window pops open right away when i hit enter
1146 2011-01-28 19:55:01 <citiz3n> it displays something for a fractino of a second and closes
1147 2011-01-28 19:55:03 <ArtForz> that sounds weird
1148 2011-01-28 19:55:05 <molecular> I think we need to see you .bat
1149 2011-01-28 19:55:25 <newsham> can someone make the bot calculate $/KWhr given Mhash/W?
1150 2011-01-28 19:55:26 <molecular> you seem to be doing something in there that spawns a new shell
1151 2011-01-28 19:55:36 <ArtForz> yep
1152 2011-01-28 19:55:40 <citiz3n> start /DC:\poclbm_py2exe_20110127 poclbm.exe --user=bbbbb - -pass=ddddd --host=192.168.1.2
1153 2011-01-28 19:55:46 <ArtForz> "start"
1154 2011-01-28 19:55:47 <molecular> remove the "start"
1155 2011-01-28 19:55:50 <newsham> its currently $0.24 for a 0.289 Mhash/watt card
1156 2011-01-28 19:55:55 <gavinandresen> Anybody willing to do some wiki work for me for 20BTC?
1157 2011-01-28 19:56:03 <ArtForz> and the /D
1158 2011-01-28 19:56:06 <molecular> and maybe that " /"
1159 2011-01-28 19:56:13 <molecular> ah /D, yeah
1160 2011-01-28 19:56:17 <molecular> remove "start /D"
1161 2011-01-28 19:56:28 <ArtForz> does poclmb use - or -- ?
1162 2011-01-28 19:56:36 <molecular> both
1163 2011-01-28 19:56:38 <ArtForz> and what's with the single lonely - ?
1164 2011-01-28 19:56:53 <citiz3n> crap
1165 2011-01-28 19:56:55 <molecular> "-o x" == "--host=x"
1166 2011-01-28 19:56:58 <citiz3n> there's a damned space in there i think
1167 2011-01-28 19:57:11 <citiz3n> thank you notepad
1168 2011-01-28 19:57:12 <molecular> yeah, citiz3n you have a space in there
1169 2011-01-28 19:57:14 <citiz3n> usually i use ultraedit
1170 2011-01-28 19:57:16 <ArtForz> "- -pass" looks wrong
1171 2011-01-28 19:57:18 <x6763> how will the 'extraNonce' be handled when coin generation stops?
1172 2011-01-28 19:57:24 <molecular> before "-pass"
1173 2011-01-28 19:57:33 <molecular> should be "--pass" instead of "- -pass"
1174 2011-01-28 19:57:36 <citiz3n> ive got so many things open in ultraedit i didn't want to open a new one
1175 2011-01-28 19:57:41 <citiz3n> i guess that's what i get for being lazy :P
1176 2011-01-28 19:57:48 <molecular> ultraedit doesn't have tabs?
1177 2011-01-28 19:57:53 <ArtForz> sure does
1178 2011-01-28 19:58:00 <citiz3n> yeah it does, i was just being lazy
1179 2011-01-28 19:58:06 <citiz3n> wanted a little bit of nostalgia too
1180 2011-01-28 19:58:09 <ArtForz> uedit32 is pretty damn useful on windows
1181 2011-01-28 19:58:24 <molecular> yeah, them windows-people, always double-clicking away
1182 2011-01-28 19:58:25 <citiz3n> best editor ive ever used
1183 2011-01-28 19:58:37 <ArtForz> vim
1184 2011-01-28 19:58:42 <molecular> joe
1185 2011-01-28 19:58:58 <molecular> well, scite actually most of the time
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1187 2011-01-28 19:59:44 <ArtForz> anyways, I'd lose the start /D until it's running properly
1188 2011-01-28 20:00:06 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: there, 4 branches: master RPCv0SubcentInputs neutral reportNecessarySubcentThrowaway
1189 2011-01-28 20:00:19 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: 'master' contains ONLY the "avoid subcent throwaway" fix
1190 2011-01-28 20:01:00 <gavinandresen> You didn't have to do all that, cherry-picking commits is easy....
1191 2011-01-28 20:01:01 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: 'RPCv0SubcentInputs' contains "don't round inputs to BTCents over RPC ver 0"
1192 2011-01-28 20:01:16 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: 'neutral' contains "RPC version 1"
1193 2011-01-28 20:01:34 <citiz3n> says no device specified or device not found
1194 2011-01-28 20:01:39 <citiz3n> then it lists my geforce gtx 280M
1195 2011-01-28 20:01:46 <citiz3n> so i will try it with --device=0
1196 2011-01-28 20:01:50 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: 'reportNecessarySubcentThrowaway' contains "report *necessary* subcent throwaway"
1197 2011-01-28 20:02:19 <molecular> gavinandresen, what kind of wiki work?
1198 2011-01-28 20:02:26 <citiz3n> now problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
1199 2011-01-28 20:02:28 <luke-jr> git's cherrypicking is worse than Subversion's cherrypicking â¹
1200 2011-01-28 20:02:32 <citiz3n> i guess im making progress slowly but surely
1201 2011-01-28 20:02:46 <molecular> citiz3n, nice, keep going. and consider pooled mining
1202 2011-01-28 20:03:21 <citiz3n> yeah thanks
1203 2011-01-28 20:03:41 <EvanR-work> im using linux
1204 2011-01-28 20:03:45 <EvanR-work> not windows
1205 2011-01-28 20:03:49 <EvanR-work> if anyone remembers my problem ;)
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1207 2011-01-28 20:04:24 <molecular> I dont
1208 2011-01-28 20:04:45 <gavinandresen> molecular: Kiba's going to move a page from the old wiki to the new one for me.
1209 2011-01-28 20:04:59 <gavinandresen> (the Running Bitcoin page, with command-line info, sample bitcoin.conf, etc)
1210 2011-01-28 20:06:19 <molecular> allright, so Kiba's doing the work already if I understand correctly
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1212 2011-01-28 20:09:26 <molecular> is whoever runs mt. gox here?
1213 2011-01-28 20:09:42 <gavinandresen> mtgox: are you here?
1214 2011-01-28 20:10:07 <gavinandresen> (and molecular: yeah, Kiba is working on it already, sorry)
1215 2011-01-28 20:10:17 <molecular> yeah, no problem
1216 2011-01-28 20:10:17 <tcatm> gavinandresen: can I close (and reject) the pull request for database encryption? I think the patch is too general to solve the wallet encryption problem.
1217 2011-01-28 20:11:57 <gavinandresen> tcatm: I just commented on it, I agree it is the wrong approach. A comment for why it is being rejected and then rejection is the right thing.
1218 2011-01-28 20:12:28 <tcatm> oh just noticed you commented while I was writing
1219 2011-01-28 20:13:15 <gavinandresen> I'm going to write one more comment there....
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1221 2011-01-28 20:14:21 <tcatm> Maybe you could mention that encfs or truecrypt would do the same as a workaround for now. That's basically what my comment would have added
1222 2011-01-28 20:14:38 <tcatm> oh tool ate :)
1223 2011-01-28 20:14:48 <gavinandresen> Never too late, go for it-- comment and close it.
1224 2011-01-28 20:16:17 <gavinandresen> Be back later-- I promised my son he could play WOW now....
1225 2011-01-28 20:17:42 <citiz3n> that's strange...
1226 2011-01-28 20:17:47 <citiz3n> port 8333 is accepting connections
1227 2011-01-28 20:17:51 <citiz3n> but port 8332 is not
1228 2011-01-28 20:18:02 <citiz3n> bitcoin.exe is running with the -server argument
1229 2011-01-28 20:18:10 <citiz3n> grrrrr why isn't it accepting connections
1230 2011-01-28 20:18:11 <molecular> do you have "rpcallowip" ?
1231 2011-01-28 20:18:20 <citiz3n> i tried it both ways
1232 2011-01-28 20:18:27 <citiz3n> without rpcallow in there
1233 2011-01-28 20:18:31 <citiz3n> and with, specifying my local IP
1234 2011-01-28 20:19:09 <molecular> and poclbm says "RPC problem"?
1235 2011-01-28 20:19:13 <citiz3n> i even routed my internet port 8332 to the box running bitcoin.exe -server
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1237 2011-01-28 20:19:30 <citiz3n> correct, "Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC"
1238 2011-01-28 20:19:51 <molecular> if you want, we can go in a private chat so we dont spam this channel so much...
1239 2011-01-28 20:19:52 <citiz3n> canyouseeme.org shows me connectable on port 8333 (which is also routed to the same box)
1240 2011-01-28 20:20:07 <molecular> and 8332?
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1242 2011-01-28 20:22:54 <dooglus> what's the current total network hash rate?
1243 2011-01-28 20:23:35 <luke-jr> erm
1244 2011-01-28 20:23:40 <luke-jr> how do I make a poll on the forums?
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1246 2011-01-28 20:24:23 <ArtForz> about 172Ghps
1247 2011-01-28 20:24:26 mtgox has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
1248 2011-01-28 20:26:33 <dooglus> ArtForz: how did you find that?
1249 2011-01-28 20:26:58 <ArtForz> magic!
1250 2011-01-28 20:27:05 <dooglus> I make it 157Ghps
1251 2011-01-28 20:27:12 <dooglus> wondering why we differ
1252 2011-01-28 20:27:19 <ArtForz> that'd be... weird
1253 2011-01-28 20:27:24 <luke-jr> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3028.0
1254 2011-01-28 20:27:32 <ArtForz> ;;bc,stats
1255 2011-01-28 20:27:34 <gribble> Current Blocks: 105066 | Current Difficulty: 22012.4941572 | Next Difficulty At Block: 106847 | Next Difficulty In: 1781 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 8 hours, 5 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 24118.22840681
1256 2011-01-28 20:27:55 <dooglus> what's the estimate based on?
1257 2011-01-28 20:27:57 malfy has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1258 2011-01-28 20:28:13 <ArtForz> avg time/block since last diff change
1259 2011-01-28 20:28:19 <citiz3n> $250 electric bill :)
1260 2011-01-28 20:28:22 <dooglus> oh, I see
1261 2011-01-28 20:28:27 <citiz3n> not at all associated with bitcoin
1262 2011-01-28 20:28:27 <ArtForz> 24118 * 2**32 / 600 = 172.6G
1263 2011-01-28 20:28:32 <dooglus> that makes sense then
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1265 2011-01-28 20:29:09 <dooglus> right
1266 2011-01-28 20:29:16 <dooglus> v. similar to my calculation now
1267 2011-01-28 20:29:23 <dooglus> I was using the current diff. not the estimated new one
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1269 2011-01-28 20:29:24 <dooglus> 24118.22840681 * 2**48 / 0xffff / 600 = 172.64G
1270 2011-01-28 20:29:37 <ArtForz> who cares about 0.0015% ?
1271 2011-01-28 20:29:48 <dooglus> nobody?
1272 2011-01-28 20:30:11 <ArtForz> as thats roughly the difference between 2**32 and 2**48/65535 ;)
1273 2011-01-28 20:30:30 <dooglus> right
1274 2011-01-28 20:31:15 <dooglus> thanks for your help
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1278 2011-01-28 20:35:57 <Kiba> So I earned 20 BTC today
1279 2011-01-28 20:36:51 <newsham> $8 ftw
1280 2011-01-28 20:37:40 <Kiba> 8 dollars less bum image
1281 2011-01-28 20:38:31 <luke-jr> lol
1282 2011-01-28 20:41:51 * Kiba feels rich already
1283 2011-01-28 20:43:06 * Kiba feels like people is not replying to his PMs
1284 2011-01-28 20:45:00 <luke-jr> tcatm: good idea
1285 2011-01-28 20:47:07 <Kiba> The problem with bitcoin as a measure to prevent the accumlation of wealth is that a frugal person can become very rich by not consuming work and working a lot
1286 2011-01-28 20:47:21 kermit has joined
1287 2011-01-28 20:48:19 andrew12 has joined
1288 2011-01-28 20:48:40 <andrew12> Internets light on modem is red... I can't get online except via irc.
1289 2011-01-28 20:48:49 <andrew12> s/irc/my phone/
1290 2011-01-28 20:49:09 * andrew12 blames i2p
1291 2011-01-28 20:49:11 <luke-jr> Kiba: yeah, that's generally how people become rich anywayâ¦
1292 2011-01-28 20:49:12 <andrew12> Kidding.
1293 2011-01-28 20:49:42 <Kiba> luke-jr: well, some socialists thought bitcoin might be able to prevent that
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1298 2011-01-28 20:57:49 <echelon> why are the proxy settings stored in the wallet? ^_-
1299 2011-01-28 21:00:11 <Kiba> O_o
1300 2011-01-28 21:00:13 <Kiba> o_O
1301 2011-01-28 21:00:40 <echelon> you didn't know?
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1303 2011-01-28 21:02:00 <echelon> and anyone have any experience with mybitcoin.com?
1304 2011-01-28 21:02:30 <Kiba> yes
1305 2011-01-28 21:03:30 <echelon> Kiba, does it withdraw when you want it to?
1306 2011-01-28 21:03:41 <Kiba> hmm
1307 2011-01-28 21:03:42 <Kiba> yes
1308 2011-01-28 21:04:07 <echelon> vekja still hasn't withdrawn my coins.. been two days
1309 2011-01-28 21:04:23 <echelon> it should be taken off bitcoin.org/trade
1310 2011-01-28 21:06:07 <Kiba> report that to the trade page?
1311 2011-01-28 21:06:09 <molecular> have you tried talking to the operator(s)?
1312 2011-01-28 21:06:23 <echelon> yeah, no one responded
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1316 2011-01-28 21:13:48 <EvanR-work> It's not just you! http://www.php.net looks down from here.
1317 2011-01-28 21:14:08 <echelon> ?
1318 2011-01-28 21:14:20 <nanotube> ;;isitdown www.php.net
1319 2011-01-28 21:14:21 <gribble> http://www.php.net Is Up -> Check if your website is up or down?
1320 2011-01-28 21:14:25 <nanotube> EvanR-work: --^
1321 2011-01-28 21:14:31 <EvanR-work> nanotube fixed it
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1324 2011-01-28 21:15:46 <nanotube> heh
1325 2011-01-28 21:16:07 hacim has joined
1326 2011-01-28 21:16:37 <ne0futur> http://www.php.net up here
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1330 2011-01-28 21:18:57 <citiz3n> for the life of me i can't get m0mchil's miner (windows) to connect to bitcoin.exe (running with -server) on another computer
1331 2011-01-28 21:19:14 <sipa> firewall?
1332 2011-01-28 21:19:19 <citiz3n> nope
1333 2011-01-28 21:19:22 <citiz3n> all firewalls disabled
1334 2011-01-28 21:19:32 <sipa> you have the ip of the other computer?
1335 2011-01-28 21:19:42 <citiz3n> yup, i can ping it and connect to other services just fine
1336 2011-01-28 21:19:46 <citiz3n> i can even see port 8333 open
1337 2011-01-28 21:20:06 <citiz3n> and i even have my public IP port 8333 forwarded there and that works just fine
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1339 2011-01-28 21:21:28 <OneFixt> citiz3n: use port 8332 for RCP
1340 2011-01-28 21:21:30 <citiz3n> I just get "Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC" every time
1341 2011-01-28 21:21:32 <sipa> miners connect typically to port 8332, which is the JSON interface
1342 2011-01-28 21:21:35 <OneFixt> *RPC
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1344 2011-01-28 21:21:47 <sipa> not the bitcoin protocol for communicating with other nodes, which runs at 8333
1345 2011-01-28 21:21:51 <citiz3n> that is default, correct, so it does not need to be specified
1346 2011-01-28 21:22:10 <OneFixt> make sure 8332 is open
1347 2011-01-28 21:22:13 <citiz3n> yeah i realize port 8332 is for the server side
1348 2011-01-28 21:22:24 <citiz3n> for some reason it is not
1349 2011-01-28 21:22:41 <ArtForz> you also need -rpcallowip for bitcoin
1350 2011-01-28 21:22:58 <ArtForz> without it bitcoin only allows rpc connections from localhost
1351 2011-01-28 21:23:16 <andrew12> -rpcallowip=*
1352 2011-01-28 21:23:25 <ArtForz> thats for allowing every IP
1353 2011-01-28 21:23:32 <andrew12> I know :P
1354 2011-01-28 21:23:39 <ArtForz> btw... does it support netmasks yet?
1355 2011-01-28 21:23:52 <andrew12> No idea
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1359 2011-01-28 21:24:40 <citiz3n> so that needs to be a switch while running it
1360 2011-01-28 21:24:48 <citiz3n> it can't go in the config
1361 2011-01-28 21:24:55 <ArtForz> err... why?
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1363 2011-01-28 21:25:23 <tcatm> no netmasks. only wildcard matching
1364 2011-01-28 21:25:34 <ArtForz> partial, too?
1365 2011-01-28 21:25:46 <citiz3n> rpcallow=192.168.*.*
1366 2011-01-28 21:25:47 <citiz3n> for example
1367 2011-01-28 21:25:52 <citiz3n> that should go in the config?
1368 2011-01-28 21:26:22 <tcatm> github needs better a search function
1369 2011-01-28 21:26:48 <ArtForz> yeah, that should work
1370 2011-01-28 21:27:10 <ArtForz> or just 192.168.*
1371 2011-01-28 21:27:56 <tcatm> Someone should rewrite WildcardMatch() to use regex
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1374 2011-01-28 21:28:55 <ArtForz> whats so bad about good old addr/mask format?
1375 2011-01-28 21:29:02 <citiz3n> that's it
1376 2011-01-28 21:29:09 <citiz3n> i was using rpcallow=
1377 2011-01-28 21:29:12 <citiz3n> instead of rpcallowip=
1378 2011-01-28 21:29:24 <ArtForz> or multiple addr/mask pairs seperated by ,
1379 2011-01-28 21:29:32 <tcatm> netmasks would be even better
1380 2011-01-28 21:30:33 <ArtForz> should also be faster than string matching...
1381 2011-01-28 21:34:25 <tcatm> It's just more logical to use addr/mask pairs and WildcardMatch() is a really strange function, especially the recursion on substrings while messing with pointers.
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1383 2011-01-28 21:35:25 <ArtForz> btw, netmask as dotted quad or nbits?
1384 2011-01-28 21:36:02 <tcatm> I'd prefer nbits
1385 2011-01-28 21:36:12 <Teppy1> Does the latest version of the client allow sending < 0.01 BTC ?
1386 2011-01-28 21:36:14 <ArtForz> nm
1387 2011-01-28 21:36:38 <ArtForz> simple heuristics should work
1388 2011-01-28 21:37:02 <citiz3n> so to add more ips you can just start a new line
1389 2011-01-28 21:37:16 <citiz3n> with a new rpcallowip=x.x.x.x
1390 2011-01-28 21:37:25 <citiz3n> or do you separate with comma or semicolon?
1391 2011-01-28 21:37:46 <ArtForz> multiple args
1392 2011-01-28 21:38:31 <ArtForz> so yeah, just put several rpcallowip= lines
1393 2011-01-28 21:39:11 <jgarzik> tcatm: what ArtForz said
1394 2011-01-28 21:39:16 <jgarzik> avoid comma-separated list
1395 2011-01-28 21:39:30 <citiz3n> that's what i figured, but thought i'd make sure
1396 2011-01-28 21:39:58 <jgarzik> we already do, e.g. multiple -addnode
1397 2011-01-28 21:40:05 <citiz3n> took me a couple hours to find out that it was rpcallowIP instead of rpcallow
1398 2011-01-28 21:40:26 <ArtForz> actually this looks like a pretty simple patch
1399 2011-01-28 21:41:02 <ArtForz> (converting rpcallowip to addr/nbits format)
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1401 2011-01-28 21:42:00 <tcatm> jgarzik: true. I changed the issue
1402 2011-01-28 21:42:11 <ArtForz> sure as hell makes more sense than string matching
1403 2011-01-28 21:42:58 <luke-jr> Teppy1: no, latest version is ancient
1404 2011-01-28 21:43:07 <luke-jr> Teppy1: I'm working on that right now :P
1405 2011-01-28 21:43:14 <ArtForz> just use multiple rpcallowips if you have a weird-ass network topology with 1 bits in the middle
1406 2011-01-28 21:43:17 <luke-jr> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3028
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1408 2011-01-28 21:44:58 <tcatm> with wildcards we could have weird networks like 19?.1?8.0.*
1409 2011-01-28 21:45:01 <Teppy1> Cool. I'm starting to use "Bitmills" (1/1000 of a bitcoin) in Dragon's Tale now, giving away either 500 or 50, just like the Faucet. Nicer if people could withdraw their winnings, even if they're small.
1410 2011-01-28 21:45:20 <luke-jr> tcatm: IPv4 is obsolete, and ⦠that shouldn't be allowed :P
1411 2011-01-28 21:45:25 <ArtForz> makes no sense at all
1412 2011-01-28 21:45:40 <luke-jr> Teppy1: ... is Bitmill really a unit? -.-
1413 2011-01-28 21:45:54 <Teppy1> I'm just calling it that until everyone settles on something else.
1414 2011-01-28 21:46:02 <luke-jr> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Units
1415 2011-01-28 21:46:04 <ArtForz> and how do I match 192.168.64-127.* with that? :P
1416 2011-01-28 21:46:07 <Teppy1> And BitMicron for 1/1000000
1417 2011-01-28 21:46:17 malfy has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1418 2011-01-28 21:46:26 <luke-jr> Teppy1: it's Milli-BitCoin
1419 2011-01-28 21:46:32 <ArtForz> I just use SI prefixes
1420 2011-01-28 21:46:45 <ArtForz> *I'd
1421 2011-01-28 21:47:00 <Teppy1> BTC, MBC, ___?
1422 2011-01-28 21:47:08 <luke-jr> no
1423 2011-01-28 21:47:09 <Teppy1> Doesn't abreviate well.
1424 2011-01-28 21:47:13 <luke-jr> Milli-Bitcoin is mBTC
1425 2011-01-28 21:47:15 <ArtForz> mBTC and uBTC
1426 2011-01-28 21:47:28 <Teppy1> Ok, that works.
1427 2011-01-28 21:48:17 <luke-jr> Teppy1: MBTC, kBTC, hBTC, áµTBC, daBTC, áµTBC, BTC, Ë¢TBC, dBTC, áµTBC, cBTC, mBTC, TBC, TBCáµ, TBCË¢, μBTC, TBCáµ, TBCáµ
1428 2011-01-28 21:48:22 <luke-jr> large to small
1429 2011-01-28 21:48:33 malfy has joined
1430 2011-01-28 21:48:41 <luke-jr> again: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Units
1431 2011-01-28 21:49:55 slush has joined
1432 2011-01-28 21:50:06 <ArtForz> but yes, "mils" to refer to 1/1000 of a unit is common
1433 2011-01-28 21:50:15 <ArtForz> just confusing as hell
1434 2011-01-28 21:51:14 <ArtForz> especially if the unit is missing
1435 2011-01-28 21:51:26 <slush> hi, I just compiled bitcoind from GIT, but it has 15MB instead of expected ~9MB. Are there some debug symbols or so enabled? How I can turn it off?
1436 2011-01-28 21:51:40 <OneFixt> strip bitcoind
1437 2011-01-28 21:51:41 <tcatm> and you're used to design PCBs ;)
1438 2011-01-28 21:51:56 <ArtForz> yup
1439 2011-01-28 21:52:08 <ArtForz> or machining
1440 2011-01-28 21:52:14 <slush> OneFixt: strip?
1441 2011-01-28 21:52:32 <ArtForz> yup, iirc official binary is stripped
1442 2011-01-28 21:52:49 <OneFixt> it's a unix command, gets rid of the debug symbols
1443 2011-01-28 21:53:24 <slush> oh, great
1444 2011-01-28 21:53:26 <slush> 4MB now
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1446 2011-01-28 21:54:01 <ArtForz> probably release doesn't strip all symbols, just debug stuff
1447 2011-01-28 21:54:16 <slush> is that safe?
1448 2011-01-28 21:54:22 <ArtForz> yep
1449 2011-01-28 21:54:24 <slush> Didn't listen about this before
1450 2011-01-28 21:54:28 <slush> thanks
1451 2011-01-28 21:54:28 <ArtForz> just makes debugging harder
1452 2011-01-28 21:54:49 <ArtForz> but then, who debugs a -O2 build?
1453 2011-01-28 21:55:12 <slush> has stripping any performance impacts?
1454 2011-01-28 21:55:17 <slush> (in any way)
1455 2011-01-28 21:55:24 <ArtForz> it makes the binary smaller
1456 2011-01-28 21:55:34 <davout> hey
1457 2011-01-28 21:55:37 <ArtForz> so it loads a bit faster and uses a bit less memory
1458 2011-01-28 21:55:43 <davout> just a quick question
1459 2011-01-28 21:55:55 <davout> how fast can a 5770 be expected to hash ?
1460 2011-01-28 21:56:23 <ArtForz> ~ 160Mhps stock
1461 2011-01-28 21:56:36 <slush> thanks for your help
1462 2011-01-28 21:56:38 <davout> thanks a lot !
1463 2011-01-28 21:57:39 <davout> any more oclocking possibilities than a 5970?
1464 2011-01-28 21:57:50 <ArtForz> yep
1465 2011-01-28 21:58:02 <ArtForz> my 5770s all run > 1GHz
1466 2011-01-28 21:58:21 <ArtForz> hacked BIOS OC limits with RBE
1467 2011-01-28 21:58:25 <davout> with specific cooling?
1468 2011-01-28 21:58:37 <ArtForz> nope, just stock cooler and good case airflow
1469 2011-01-28 21:58:48 <hacim> sheesh, i've been mining solo for 6 days on a 5870 and no blocks found... connect to slush, and I find a block immediately
1470 2011-01-28 21:58:52 <davout> and what hashrate do you get with that ?
1471 2011-01-28 21:59:09 <ArtForz> 212Mhps
1472 2011-01-28 21:59:29 <davout> ok, thanks a lot
1473 2011-01-28 21:59:56 <ArtForz> thats using my miner though, which is a few % faster than the public OCL miners
1474 2011-01-28 22:00:06 <davout> heh, i bet
1475 2011-01-28 22:00:57 <ArtForz> probably ~190-195Mhps with a OCL miner
1476 2011-01-28 22:01:05 <slush> hacim: block 105075?
1477 2011-01-28 22:05:41 <molecular> what's the drawback of using a pool?
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1479 2011-01-28 22:07:12 <hacim> slush: i'm not sure... how can I tell when using m0m's miner and the pool?
1480 2011-01-28 22:07:26 <hacim> i see a lot of accepted output
1481 2011-01-28 22:08:09 <slush> hacim: oh, ok. I though you know time when block appeared on your profile
1482 2011-01-28 22:09:03 <hacim> slush: it was in the last 14 minutes, probably the first minute I was connected to the pool
1483 2011-01-28 22:09:31 <hacim> actually last 12 minutes
1484 2011-01-28 22:10:33 <slush> what's your pool nick?
1485 2011-01-28 22:12:10 <slush> hacim: ----^
1486 2011-01-28 22:14:17 <hacim> slush: micah.doit
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1488 2011-01-28 22:15:17 <xelister> ArtForz: 1000 Hz? lollolwoot?
1489 2011-01-28 22:15:22 <xelister> ArtForz: and it is not making mistakes?
1490 2011-01-28 22:15:31 <ArtForz> yup
1491 2011-01-28 22:15:35 <ArtForz> actually 5 of em
1492 2011-01-28 22:15:40 <ArtForz> slowest is 1030M
1493 2011-01-28 22:15:43 <xelister> do you have some linux compatible verification program?
1494 2011-01-28 22:15:51 <ArtForz> fastest 1070MHz
1495 2011-01-28 22:16:04 <slush> hacim: your one block found for pool was #103918 at 2011-01-22 02:16:10
1496 2011-01-28 22:16:20 <cosurgi> hyy. I managed to modify Diablo's code to use uint4, and it works, at 60% speed. But doind something in opencl that actually works is quite an achievement for me ;)
1497 2011-01-28 22:16:43 <hacim> slush: odd, why does my account page say 'found blocks'? Oh... thats found over all time, and not for the current round
1498 2011-01-28 22:16:47 * hacim slaps forehead
1499 2011-01-28 22:16:54 <hacim> no WONDER it was so quick ;)
1500 2011-01-28 22:16:59 <slush> hacim: ;)
1501 2011-01-28 22:17:03 <hacim> i already had found it days ago
1502 2011-01-28 22:17:08 <xelister> ArtForz: what is RBE? can I do it at home, or need specialized equipment to programm eproms or shite
1503 2011-01-28 22:17:18 <cosurgi> hacim: that's fake blocks, with difficulty=1 (32 zero bits)
1504 2011-01-28 22:17:38 <ArtForz> tried asking google?
1505 2011-01-28 22:17:47 <molecular> no, that's a block he found earlier. you're talking about shares (diff=1)
1506 2011-01-28 22:18:32 <slush> hacim: I'll publish nicknames in block history, so everybody will see who found the block (if user enabled 'nickname in stats', of course)
1507 2011-01-28 22:18:41 <xelister> ArtForz: ok, and the tester program?
1508 2011-01-28 22:18:41 <cosurgi> Actually I'd later show my changes to Diablo, to learn what I might have done wrong. I don't care that it's slower, I'm just learning opencl.
1509 2011-01-28 22:18:53 <cosurgi> but it works :)
1510 2011-01-28 22:19:45 <cosurgi> and I discovered that it runs few thousands of threads in parallel.
1511 2011-01-28 22:19:45 <xelister> yuck, windows
1512 2011-01-28 22:19:50 <hacim> slush: good idea
1513 2011-01-28 22:20:06 <ArtForz> yup, windoze only :/
1514 2011-01-28 22:20:37 <xelister> ArtForz: so, Radeon 5770 even running at 1000 MHz will not make mistakes in calculations, unless it overheats?
1515 2011-01-28 22:20:44 <ArtForz> well, mine don't
1516 2011-01-28 22:20:44 <xelister> (very good PSU)
1517 2011-01-28 22:20:46 <ArtForz> YMMV
1518 2011-01-28 22:20:48 <slush> ArtForz: RBE is only way to change core voltages in linux, right?
1519 2011-01-28 22:20:54 <ArtForz> yep
1520 2011-01-28 22:21:00 <xelister> so.. do you have a testing program or is ther testing mode in any miner?
1521 2011-01-28 22:21:09 <ArtForz> I do have a testing program
1522 2011-01-28 22:21:18 <ArtForz> and modifying a miner for testing isn't exactly rocket surgery
1523 2011-01-28 22:21:36 <slush> xelister: or you can run miner against pool
1524 2011-01-28 22:22:01 <citiz3n> hey slush - i just joined your pool :D
1525 2011-01-28 22:22:02 <ArtForz> that won't catch lowish error rates quickly
1526 2011-01-28 22:22:24 <slush> citiz3n: great :)
1527 2011-01-28 22:22:36 <ArtForz> pool only detects false positives, so does Diablos miner
1528 2011-01-28 22:22:40 <molecular> citiz3n, hey, welcome to the cooperative :D
1529 2011-01-28 22:22:53 <citiz3n> the collective :O
1530 2011-01-28 22:23:01 <ArtForz> problem is with false negatives, which are about 2**32 times more likely
1531 2011-01-28 22:23:11 <citiz3n> going to have to rename myself to 5 of 7 or something
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1533 2011-01-28 22:23:40 <xelister> ArtForz: for 5970 what best clock?
1534 2011-01-28 22:23:56 <ArtForz> for my best 5970? 900 @ stock V
1535 2011-01-28 22:24:20 <ArtForz> my worst 5970, 790 @ stock V
1536 2011-01-28 22:24:35 <xelister> what where symptoms, are silent mistakes (detected by test tool) occuring before obvious things (like lockups, display glitches etc)?
1537 2011-01-28 22:24:44 <ArtForz> usually, yes
1538 2011-01-28 22:24:47 <citiz3n> theoretically, the pool should reduce the rate of late-returned work
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1540 2011-01-28 22:24:59 <citiz3n> not sure what terminology is used for it, but a block someone else has already solved
1541 2011-01-28 22:25:06 <molecular> ArtForz, stock V? can you change the voltage?
1542 2011-01-28 22:25:08 <hacim> slush: i'm periodically having difficulty connecting to the pool (eg. Connection refused), can I reduce connection times and obtain more work at a time?
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1544 2011-01-28 22:25:13 <ArtForz> yep
1545 2011-01-28 22:25:16 <molecular> how?
1546 2011-01-28 22:25:19 <ArtForz> well, not on my 5770s
1547 2011-01-28 22:25:24 <molecular> 5970
1548 2011-01-28 22:25:26 <slush> hacim: you have troubles right now?
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1550 2011-01-28 22:25:57 <molecular> ArtForz, adl_sdk?
1551 2011-01-28 22:25:58 <ArtForz> on windows theres quite a few tools, for linux, flash modded BIOS
1552 2011-01-28 22:26:07 <ArtForz> sadly impossible using ADL
1553 2011-01-28 22:26:07 <molecular> oh god
1554 2011-01-28 22:26:27 <molecular> I can clock mine to 795,815
1555 2011-01-28 22:26:37 <molecular> will fiddling with the voltage give me more?
1556 2011-01-28 22:26:37 <ArtForz> I am working on making something releaseable to voltage tweak 5970s on linux
1557 2011-01-28 22:26:39 <hacim> slush: i've been watching it, and i got two connection refused (Errno 111) and then it works
1558 2011-01-28 22:26:40 <ArtForz> yes
1559 2011-01-28 22:27:04 <ArtForz> well, as long as you can cool it :P
1560 2011-01-28 22:27:08 <molecular> ArtForz, cool!
1561 2011-01-28 22:27:12 <slush> hacim: probably it was because I restarted bitcoind before momentt
1562 2011-01-28 22:27:16 <hacim> slush: seems like its working after a retry, but that delay is enough to cause my fan to spin down on the card
1563 2011-01-28 22:27:29 <ArtForz> my cards averaged(!) 900MHz stable @ 1.15V
1564 2011-01-28 22:27:36 <molecular> I set your fan_control to 72°C and the fan is at 64%, so I have some room left cooling-wise
1565 2011-01-28 22:27:51 * molecular wants voltage-control now ;)
1566 2011-01-28 22:28:01 <ArtForz> it's not pretty
1567 2011-01-28 22:28:43 <ArtForz> basically I captured the I/O AMD VoltageTool is doing on windows to figure out what registers to access directly to get at the VRM I2C bus
1568 2011-01-28 22:29:36 <ArtForz> really cool part is, once it works you can also use it to read VRM temps on linux :)
1569 2011-01-28 22:29:45 <molecular> VRM?
1570 2011-01-28 22:29:49 <slush> it's crazy
1571 2011-01-28 22:29:53 <ArtForz> Voltage Regulator Module
1572 2011-01-28 22:30:02 <slush> any possibility to opensource this? :)
1573 2011-01-28 22:30:04 <molecular> ah, cool
1574 2011-01-28 22:30:14 <ArtForz> thats what I'm working on
1575 2011-01-28 22:30:27 <molecular> I hope your asics wont arrive before you're done ;)
1576 2011-01-28 22:30:29 <ArtForz> and btw, direct reg access is how all windows tools are doing it
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1578 2011-01-28 22:30:40 <slush> VRM temperature in Linux is something what I'm really missing
1579 2011-01-28 22:30:53 <molecular> why is VRM temp important?
1580 2011-01-28 22:30:56 <citiz3n> i guess ill get about a half a bitcoin per day at this rate
1581 2011-01-28 22:30:56 <citiz3n> hehehe
1582 2011-01-28 22:31:05 <slush> molecular: because they are lot higher than GPU temps
1583 2011-01-28 22:31:14 <molecular> citiz3n, I started with 0.1 / day ;)
1584 2011-01-28 22:31:19 <hacim> slush: i'm not seeing it now, so seems right now... although the getwork delay is somewhat annoying, wish I could optimize that
1585 2011-01-28 22:31:47 <molecular> what's the problem with a hot VRM. will it give unstable current?
1586 2011-01-28 22:31:55 <citiz3n> is there any way to run a miner on a cpu
1587 2011-01-28 22:32:05 <molecular> citiz3n, of course
1588 2011-01-28 22:32:14 <citiz3n> im scared to even ask
1589 2011-01-28 22:32:17 <citiz3n> but you know i must
1590 2011-01-28 22:32:25 <molecular> citiz3n, but if you have a good gpu, like you said, it's not going to change much
1591 2011-01-28 22:32:33 <slush> hacim: I have network problems on pool server few times a day (say 3x). I think those are network glitches on provider side and I'm not able to improve this :(
1592 2011-01-28 22:32:54 <citiz3n> ive got around 15 systems i could add on thos
1593 2011-01-28 22:32:56 <ArtForz> GPU starts to throttle when VRMs hit 120°C
1594 2011-01-28 22:33:01 <molecular> citiz3n, look here: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_Hardware_Comparison
1595 2011-01-28 22:33:03 <slush> hacim: but when push based protocol will be ready, this will be almost without impact to mining...
1596 2011-01-28 22:33:07 <ArtForz> which is usually ~95°C core with stock V and fan profile
1597 2011-01-28 22:33:10 <citiz3n> xeon server, dual core server, tons of dual core workstations
1598 2011-01-28 22:33:22 <citiz3n> little bits would all add up
1599 2011-01-28 22:33:29 <citiz3n> between them all i bet i could get...
1600 2011-01-28 22:33:39 <hacim> slush: huh, interesting... I didn't know about the server-side problems. I was more thinking of when i submit hashes, there is a delay before there is hashing again
1601 2011-01-28 22:33:54 <citiz3n> maybe another 40 mhash/s
1602 2011-01-28 22:34:10 <molecular> citiz3n, lookup the typical hashrates for your hardware on above link. there's different cpu miners out there. go ahead, let them mine!
1603 2011-01-28 22:34:21 <hacim> slush: what is the bandwidth usage of the pool?
1604 2011-01-28 22:34:21 <ArtForz> wow, nearly as fast as a $60 graphics card :P
1605 2011-01-28 22:34:37 <Diablo-D3> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwC544Z37qo
1606 2011-01-28 22:34:39 <Diablo-D3> DEAR GOD
1607 2011-01-28 22:34:43 <slush> hacim: the real problem is getting work, not submitting. Current getwork protocol is very network intensive
1608 2011-01-28 22:34:45 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: btw, did you hear what I said earlier?
1609 2011-01-28 22:34:53 <slush> hacim: ~450GB/month
1610 2011-01-28 22:34:55 <citiz3n> you have a real point there art
1611 2011-01-28 22:34:56 <citiz3n> lol
1612 2011-01-28 22:35:02 <bencoder> ;;seen FreeMoney
1613 2011-01-28 22:35:02 <gribble> FreeMoney was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 3 weeks, 0 days, 13 hours, 14 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <FreeMoney> what?
1614 2011-01-28 22:35:02 <Diablo-D3> I cant remember if you did or not
1615 2011-01-28 22:35:08 <ArtForz> probably not
1616 2011-01-28 22:35:14 <Diablo-D3> [05:52:52] <Diablo-D3> ArtForzZz: someone is reporting a 15 mhash boost on their gtx460 with your kernel... which is a 68 mhash part.
1617 2011-01-28 22:35:14 <Diablo-D3> [05:54:26] <Diablo-D3> nvidia's compiler must be absolute shit
1618 2011-01-28 22:36:06 <citiz3n> holy tetris, batman
1619 2011-01-28 22:36:18 * molecular will never play tetris again... ever
1620 2011-01-28 22:36:41 <Diablo-D3> it goes invisible at the end
1621 2011-01-28 22:36:47 <Diablo-D3> and he... beats tetris.
1622 2011-01-28 22:37:06 <molecular> yeah, holy cow
1623 2011-01-28 22:37:14 <citiz3n> tetris didn't stand a chance
1624 2011-01-28 22:37:55 <molecular> "master mode all clear"
1625 2011-01-28 22:39:02 <hacim> slush: just got "problem communicating via RPC"
1626 2011-01-28 22:40:02 <hacim> but then it seems to resolve itself
1627 2011-01-28 22:40:25 <slush> hacim: yep, this is probably the network issue. server itself is responsible
1628 2011-01-28 22:40:38 <slush> hacim: I hope it will be better on another protocol
1629 2011-01-28 22:41:30 <hacim> slush: whats the situation with the push-based protocol?
1630 2011-01-28 22:41:39 <hacim> is that coming in the next client?
1631 2011-01-28 22:41:55 <slush> hacim: Theoretic part is done, now I just have to write it ;)
1632 2011-01-28 22:42:04 <hacim> :D
1633 2011-01-28 22:42:18 <hacim> slush: just got it again
1634 2011-01-28 22:42:51 <slush> hacim: I'm sorry for that, sometimes it is more often, sometimes it is OK for many hours
1635 2011-01-28 22:42:53 <hacim> seems like more than 3x a day, wonder if its something on my side
1636 2011-01-28 22:43:19 <hacim> slush: thats weird... is this a linux system?
1637 2011-01-28 22:43:36 <slush> hacim: generally those are network troubles. I cannot say if it is on your side or on server provider's side
1638 2011-01-28 22:44:00 <slush> hacim: it's not weird. It is non-SLA server
1639 2011-01-28 22:44:17 <hacim> slush: i'm wondering if you have any errors, overruns, or frames on your internet interface
1640 2011-01-28 22:44:58 <hacim> slush: btw. thanks for your work on the pool! its really cool
1641 2011-01-28 22:45:42 <slush> hacim: server itself is in great condition. But it's only VPS.
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1643 2011-01-28 22:47:22 <slush> hacim: that means, another VPS on the same computer cann eat resources for a moment or so. Pool has 120 requests per seconds, so those peaks can affect some miners
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1647 2011-01-28 22:51:09 <kiba> slush: ya getting rich?
1648 2011-01-28 22:52:38 <slush> kiba: how so? :)
1649 2011-01-28 22:55:02 <kiba> from all these bitcoins people are donating to you
1650 2011-01-28 22:55:12 <slush> hacim: my transfer estimation was incorrect, pool today went over 510GB for this month
1651 2011-01-28 22:55:29 <slush> kiba: only few miners are donating
1652 2011-01-28 22:55:53 <kiba> that's a lot of bandwidth
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1654 2011-01-28 23:04:13 <hacim> slush: forgive me for making ignorant suggestions, but what if the work handed out by the pool was larger, so reports back were less frequent?
1655 2011-01-28 23:04:52 <slush> hacim: currently it is not possible. nonce, internal variable which is changed by miner, is only 2^32
1656 2011-01-28 23:05:11 <slush> hacim: this is not pool related, it is how bitcoin block is designed
1657 2011-01-28 23:06:04 <slush> but with new protocol, miners will be able to change nonce AND ntime, so there will be interaction between pool and miners only when submit is found or new bitcoin block arrived
1658 2011-01-28 23:06:39 <slush> *submit is found => miner find a diff1 block and submit it
1659 2011-01-28 23:06:51 <hacim> i see... that sounds better, because right now I'm getting quite bad RPC communication. I can hear my fan spin down and up frequently
1660 2011-01-28 23:07:09 <slush> hacim: which is your ping to mining.bitcoin.cz?
1661 2011-01-28 23:07:44 <hacim> hm, i'm getting 33% packet loss somewhere along the way
1662 2011-01-28 23:07:53 <slush> hm, this will be the problem
1663 2011-01-28 23:08:13 <slush> server is vps, but on good line, no packet loss here
1664 2011-01-28 23:08:26 <citiz3n> where are you from, slush?
1665 2011-01-28 23:08:38 <slush> citiz3n: czech republic, why?
1666 2011-01-28 23:08:45 <slush> citiz3n: but server is in london
1667 2011-01-28 23:08:48 <citiz3n> just curious
1668 2011-01-28 23:09:39 <hacim> slush: actually, hah. i was tracing from a different network
1669 2011-01-28 23:09:58 <hacim> from where I am actually communicating to the pool, i'm not getting packet loss
1670 2011-01-28 23:10:17 <hacim> average 83seconds ping
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1672 2011-01-28 23:10:25 <slush> milisecond
1673 2011-01-28 23:10:36 <hacim> hah
1674 2011-01-28 23:10:39 <hacim> yes
1675 2011-01-28 23:10:44 <hacim> 83 seconds would be horrible
1676 2011-01-28 23:11:57 <hacim> 100 packets transmitted, 100 received, 0% packet loss
1677 2011-01-28 23:12:01 <hacim> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 80.694/83.675/87.665/1.191 ms
1678 2011-01-28 23:12:21 <echelon> bitcoinlaundry.com is in good standing with the btc community?
1679 2011-01-28 23:13:18 <citiz3n> holy cow, there's a bitcoin laundry?
1680 2011-01-28 23:13:25 <echelon> heh
1681 2011-01-28 23:13:27 <citiz3n> if bitcoins aren't hard enough to trace :D
1682 2011-01-28 23:15:27 <echelon> i'm laundering mine now, anyone wanna do it as well for entropy?
1683 2011-01-28 23:15:38 <echelon> so we don't just get ours back
1684 2011-01-28 23:16:19 <echelon> i'm sending it though mybitcoin.com
1685 2011-01-28 23:16:45 <echelon> it came :D
1686 2011-01-28 23:18:50 <jgarzik> I'll trade up to 1200 BTC with someone, for 1 BTC fee (ie. you send me 1000 BTC, I send you 999 BTC). My bitcoins in this wallet are pretty old and mixed.
1687 2011-01-28 23:19:33 <echelon> i'm already paying the bitlaundry commission rate -_-
1688 2011-01-28 23:20:25 <slush> hacim: interesting. I personally I don't see connection troubles and also transfer logs looks fine
1689 2011-01-28 23:20:47 <EvanR-work> jgarzik: washing fee? xD
1690 2011-01-28 23:21:42 <jgarzik> echelon: all good, though I point out my rate is far less than bitcoinlaundry's 1% :)
1691 2011-01-28 23:21:58 <jgarzik> EvanR-work: yes, same concept as bitcoinlaundry.com
1692 2011-01-28 23:25:40 <kiba> hmm, jgarzik seem to have lot of bitcoin
1693 2011-01-28 23:26:48 <luke-jr> jgarzik: you send first? :P
1694 2011-01-28 23:26:59 <jgarzik> luke-jr: hah
1695 2011-01-28 23:27:44 <luke-jr> â¦
1696 2011-01-28 23:27:49 <luke-jr> bitcoinlaundry.com has a real nameâ¦
1697 2011-01-28 23:28:05 <luke-jr> isn't that basically admission to a crime?
1698 2011-01-28 23:29:39 Netsniper has joined
1699 2011-01-28 23:31:49 <echelon> hrm.. 0/unconfirmed
1700 2011-01-28 23:35:59 * kiba thinks himself terrible at storywriting
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1703 2011-01-28 23:47:21 <echelon> why are mtgox's transactions immediate
1704 2011-01-28 23:47:33 <kiba> what?
1705 2011-01-28 23:47:44 <echelon> it's taking me forever to send/receive from other places
1706 2011-01-28 23:51:37 <echelon> well, to be fair.. still stuck at 0/uncofirmed for most of my transactions
1707 2011-01-28 23:51:56 <Diablo-D3> echelon: is your chain done downloading?
1708 2011-01-28 23:52:26 <echelon> it didn't say it was downloading anything
1709 2011-01-28 23:52:34 <Diablo-D3> whats the blocks say
1710 2011-01-28 23:52:58 <ArtForz> are those tx in the last 30 mins or so?
1711 2011-01-28 23:53:03 <echelon> 105083 blocks
1712 2011-01-28 23:53:09 <ArtForz> last Block was like 40 min ago
1713 2011-01-28 23:53:42 <echelon> i guess, ya
1714 2011-01-28 23:53:44 <Diablo-D3> echelon: well you seem to be around right
1715 2011-01-28 23:53:46 <Diablo-D3> and yeah
1716 2011-01-28 23:53:51 <Diablo-D3> wait until 2 blocks complete then bitch
1717 2011-01-28 23:54:05 <echelon> ok :)
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