1 2011-01-29 00:05:41 <kiba> so an idiotic mob got raid by the police
2 2011-01-29 00:05:45 <kiba> I have little sympathy
3 2011-01-29 00:11:43 btcex has joined
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5 2011-01-29 00:12:05 <btcex> http://jackpotdice.bitcoinbet.com/ Hi! Are you already played in casino game with > 100% return? :)
6 2011-01-29 00:12:49 <ArtForz> oi
7 2011-01-29 00:13:10 <btcex> just t-s-s-s :)
8 2011-01-29 00:13:14 <ArtForz> a > 1 hour block again ...
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10 2011-01-29 00:13:21 <btcex> site owner think what win chances is 2:6
11 2011-01-29 00:13:25 <btcex> but it is secret! :)
12 2011-01-29 00:13:41 <btcex> ArtForz: yes, but we can bet many bets in parallel
13 2011-01-29 00:13:55 * jgarzik wonders aloud: as difficulty increases, will we see increased periods of >1 hour/block ?
14 2011-01-29 00:14:02 gavinandresen has joined
15 2011-01-29 00:14:26 <btcex> can be defficulty decreased automatically?
16 2011-01-29 00:14:39 <btcex> (by network)
17 2011-01-29 00:14:45 <jgarzik> btcex: yes, by the same algorithm that increases difficulty automatically
18 2011-01-29 00:14:47 <ArtForz> I'd say... no
19 2011-01-29 00:14:59 <btcex> yes or no?..
20 2011-01-29 00:15:07 <ArtForz> btcex: yes
21 2011-01-29 00:15:09 <citiz3n> if computing power decreases, then difficulty will decrease?
22 2011-01-29 00:15:11 <citiz3n> really?!
23 2011-01-29 00:15:12 <ArtForz> jgarzik: no
24 2011-01-29 00:15:21 <kiba> difficulty will decrease
25 2011-01-29 00:15:23 <ArtForz> yes
26 2011-01-29 00:15:24 <citiz3n> i thought it was based on the # of blocks completed
27 2011-01-29 00:15:46 <ArtForz> difficulty is based on avg time/block over a 2016 block period vs. nominal 600s/block
28 2011-01-29 00:16:10 <kiba> 2016 seem to be rather long
29 2011-01-29 00:16:19 <ArtForz> can't do much shorter than that
30 2011-01-29 00:16:26 <btcex> what time ago was generated latest block?
31 2011-01-29 00:16:40 mtgox has joined
32 2011-01-29 00:16:40 <ArtForz> 3773 sec ago
33 2011-01-29 00:16:48 <btcex> thx
34 2011-01-29 00:17:09 <ArtForz> if avg time/block stays constant, so does probability of >1h/block
35 2011-01-29 00:17:15 <echelon> who operates kalyhost again?
36 2011-01-29 00:17:31 <jgarzik> echelon: mt'away
37 2011-01-29 00:17:31 <btcex> how frequently next block generation slows like now?
38 2011-01-29 00:17:43 <echelon> oh kk
39 2011-01-29 00:17:59 <ArtForz> every few 1000 blocks or so
40 2011-01-29 00:18:21 <btcex> So no time! I want to play in a win-win casino ...
41 2011-01-29 00:19:38 <ArtForz> block finding is random and independent -> poisson distribution
42 2011-01-29 00:20:08 <btcex> poison?
43 2011-01-29 00:20:17 <ArtForz> poisson
44 2011-01-29 00:20:28 <ArtForz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisson_distribution
45 2011-01-29 00:20:32 <btcex> oh, realize :)
46 2011-01-29 00:20:36 <btcex> yesp
47 2011-01-29 00:20:38 <btcex> yes
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49 2011-01-29 00:23:43 gavinandresen has quit (Quit: gavinandresen)
50 2011-01-29 00:23:43 <ArtForz> 4200 sec ...
51 2011-01-29 00:24:06 <btcex> whu this happened?
52 2011-01-29 00:24:08 <btcex> why
53 2011-01-29 00:24:13 <ArtForz> randomness is random
54 2011-01-29 00:24:21 <btcex> GPU oligarchy leave us?
55 2011-01-29 00:24:27 gavinandresen has joined
56 2011-01-29 00:24:59 <ArtForz> we already had ~ 2h without a block a few times
57 2011-01-29 00:28:18 <btcex> what is block newer be generated?
58 2011-01-29 00:28:42 <btcex> what if*
59 2011-01-29 00:28:53 <ArtForz> then thats REALLY bad luck
60 2011-01-29 00:30:44 <btcex> we need centralized rainbow tables
61 2011-01-29 00:31:03 <btcex> :)
62 2011-01-29 00:31:13 <EvanR> Keefe: i got the goods
63 2011-01-29 00:31:16 <ArtForz> no block for 1h happens about once every 17 days
64 2011-01-29 00:31:17 <EvanR> -> otc
65 2011-01-29 00:32:11 <ArtForz> = every 2400 blocks or so on avg
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67 2011-01-29 00:34:18 <kiba> w00t
68 2011-01-29 00:34:22 <kiba> .446 on mtgox
69 2011-01-29 00:34:31 <btcex> it been very large block
70 2011-01-29 00:34:41 <btcex> kiba: ?
71 2011-01-29 00:34:54 <ArtForz> > 4800 seconds.. still going
72 2011-01-29 00:34:57 <btcex> been? be
73 2011-01-29 00:35:21 <ArtForz> = last block probably had wrong timestamp
74 2011-01-29 00:35:44 <btcex> why?
75 2011-01-29 00:35:58 <ArtForz> well, or it could be random chance
76 2011-01-29 00:36:22 <ArtForz> > 80 min per block should on average happen about twice a year
77 2011-01-29 00:37:53 <btcex> difficulty just attached to block hash from left?
78 2011-01-29 00:37:53 <ArtForz> there we go
79 2011-01-29 00:38:15 <ArtForz> lol
80 2011-01-29 00:38:31 <ArtForz> with this block estnextdiff went from 23785.1 to 23057.8
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82 2011-01-29 00:39:05 <btcex> ArtForz: difficulty was changed with last block?
83 2011-01-29 00:39:12 <ArtForz> estnextdiff
84 2011-01-29 00:39:21 <btcex> what is .. ?
85 2011-01-29 00:39:26 <ArtForz> = estimated/extrapolated next difficulty
86 2011-01-29 00:39:28 <btcex> estimated next diff
87 2011-01-29 00:39:56 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
88 2011-01-29 00:39:58 <gribble> Current Blocks: 105084 | Current Difficulty: 22012.4941572 | Next Difficulty At Block: 106847 | Next Difficulty In: 1763 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 17 hours, 35 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23057.77061959
89 2011-01-29 00:40:11 <luke-jr> why is difficulty up already?
90 2011-01-29 00:40:24 <ArtForz> ?
91 2011-01-29 00:40:37 <luke-jr> shouldn't it only go up when there's more hashpower in the network?
92 2011-01-29 00:40:43 <ArtForz> becasue hashrate is still growing
93 2011-01-29 00:40:44 <luke-jr> it's only been what? 24 hours
94 2011-01-29 00:41:14 <ArtForz> avg hashrate last diff period was ~ 157Gh
95 2011-01-29 00:41:14 <btcex> unlikely hashpower :)
96 2011-01-29 00:41:26 <btcex> unlucky
97 2011-01-29 00:42:12 <ArtForz> over the last 253 blocks, avg hashrate was ~ 165Gh
98 2011-01-29 00:43:10 <btcex> rainbow tables can be generated for fast bitcoin generation or not?
99 2011-01-29 00:43:26 <ArtForz> no, but good luck trying
100 2011-01-29 00:43:46 <btcex> why?
101 2011-01-29 00:43:55 <ArtForz> because
102 2011-01-29 00:43:56 <luke-jr> nonce
103 2011-01-29 00:44:09 <ArtForz> nonce, hprevblock, hmerkleroot
104 2011-01-29 00:44:43 <luke-jr> actually, that's not quite correct
105 2011-01-29 00:44:56 <luke-jr> in practice, the bitcoin network *is* generating hashtables for the current block
106 2011-01-29 00:45:02 <btcex> ArtForz: clear
107 2011-01-29 00:45:03 <luke-jr> but once it's found, that's the next block :P
108 2011-01-29 00:45:12 <ArtForz> err... no
109 2011-01-29 00:45:16 <luke-jr> err, is generating rainbow tables
110 2011-01-29 00:45:21 <ArtForz> we're not storing tried hashes
111 2011-01-29 00:45:24 <luke-jr> and discarding useless ones
112 2011-01-29 00:45:41 <ArtForz> so where's the time-memory tradeoff?
113 2011-01-29 00:45:45 <luke-jr> âº
114 2011-01-29 00:45:47 <ArtForz> we're doinbg simple bruteforce
115 2011-01-29 00:45:54 <luke-jr> yeah ok fine :P
116 2011-01-29 00:46:23 <luke-jr> the point is, it'd be the same process to generate a rainbow table
117 2011-01-29 00:46:33 <ArtForz> yep, except then you'd have to store stuff
118 2011-01-29 00:46:39 <ArtForz> and the block chain is structured so bruteforce is the fastest way to find solutions
119 2011-01-29 00:46:55 <btcex> yes
120 2011-01-29 00:47:00 devon_hillard has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
121 2011-01-29 00:47:01 <btcex> 1 confirmation
122 2011-01-29 00:47:19 <ArtForz> yep, just a unusually slow block
123 2011-01-29 00:48:11 <kiba> I should be backing up my key
124 2011-01-29 00:49:58 <btcex> some transactions immediate confirmed
125 2011-01-29 00:50:03 <btcex> but some awaiting
126 2011-01-29 00:51:54 Cusipzzz has joined
127 2011-01-29 00:53:13 <btcex> why?
128 2011-01-29 00:53:32 <ArtForz> not enough score/age
129 2011-01-29 00:55:33 <btcex> hm... newer transactions are faster whan older?
130 2011-01-29 00:55:50 * kiba reboots
131 2011-01-29 00:56:02 <kiba> or not
132 2011-01-29 00:56:27 <ArtForz> when a block gets fuller transactions with older inputs get priority
133 2011-01-29 00:57:51 noagendamarket has joined
134 2011-01-29 01:00:32 <sipa> ;;bc,calc 740000
135 2011-01-29 01:00:33 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 740000 Khps, given current difficulty of 22012.4941572 , is 1 day, 11 hours, 29 minutes, and 20 seconds
136 2011-01-29 01:00:38 <btcex> block generation timeout occured again?
137 2011-01-29 01:03:50 <btcex> no, it is my mistake
138 2011-01-29 01:14:41 gavinandresen has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
139 2011-01-29 01:14:45 gavinandresen_ has joined
140 2011-01-29 01:18:12 theymos has joined
141 2011-01-29 01:19:09 <echelon> hey theymos
142 2011-01-29 01:19:14 <theymos> Hi.
143 2011-01-29 01:20:21 <noagendamarket> hello theymos
144 2011-01-29 01:20:29 <echelon> hmm.. still have 0/unconfirmed for a bitlaundry transaction
145 2011-01-29 01:21:33 <theymos> It's been 0/unconfirmed for more than a few blocks?
146 2011-01-29 01:22:13 <echelon> last i checked, it was 105083 blocks
147 2011-01-29 01:22:19 <echelon> now it's 105087
148 2011-01-29 01:22:26 <molecular> slush, did you think about making a 1% donation option?
149 2011-01-29 01:22:56 <theymos> echelon: Run Bitcoin with the -debug switch, double-click the transaction, and pastebin the transaction dump.
150 2011-01-29 01:23:12 <echelon> ok
151 2011-01-29 01:24:36 <echelon> i can just add debug=1 in the .conf?
152 2011-01-29 01:24:45 <theymos> I think so.
153 2011-01-29 01:25:01 <btcex> i am a rich!1111
154 2011-01-29 01:25:03 <btcex> muhaha!
155 2011-01-29 01:38:46 <kiba> yay!
156 2011-01-29 01:39:08 * kiba is now confident
157 2011-01-29 01:39:25 <kiba> my wallet is no longer limited to the death of one computer
158 2011-01-29 01:39:48 mtgox has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
159 2011-01-29 01:39:53 <btcex> kiba: are you also gamble in the dice win-win casino?
160 2011-01-29 01:40:00 <btcex> ah
161 2011-01-29 01:40:00 <kiba> I don't gamble, btcex
162 2011-01-29 01:40:18 <kiba> last time that happen, I almost lost all my money
163 2011-01-29 01:40:21 <molecular> actually that dice casino is not really gambling
164 2011-01-29 01:40:31 <btcex> molecular: :)
165 2011-01-29 01:40:36 <btcex> kiba: listen to molecular
166 2011-01-29 01:40:51 <kiba> why?
167 2011-01-29 01:41:09 <btcex> kiba: it is returns 112%
168 2011-01-29 01:41:15 <molecular> roll a 6: get 600%, roll a 1: get 100%, roll any other number: get 0%
169 2011-01-29 01:41:18 <Cusipzzz> sure it is....variance is not your friend...and unless you have an infinite banroll, you could get crushed :)
170 2011-01-29 01:41:18 <btcex> math mistake
171 2011-01-29 01:41:42 <molecular> pretty stupid one for an owner of a casino, one must say
172 2011-01-29 01:41:55 <theymos> Where is this?
173 2011-01-29 01:42:09 <molecular> http://jackpotdice.bitcoinbet.com:8080/index.php
174 2011-01-29 01:42:11 <btcex> theymos: http://jackpotdice.bitcoinbet.com
175 2011-01-29 01:42:29 <Cusipzzz> alleged math mistake... 'oh, the game is +ev, my bad...try it out!' uhhh
176 2011-01-29 01:42:29 <molecular> one cannot be sure the dice are correct, though... who knows?
177 2011-01-29 01:42:30 <theymos> Thanks.
178 2011-01-29 01:42:42 <btcex> as I understand the author thinks it's okay, and tomorrow he is going to fix it
179 2011-01-29 01:42:47 <Cusipzzz> key word being alleged. he hasn't shown the code
180 2011-01-29 01:42:49 <echelon> theymos, you sure xqzfakpeuvrobvpj.onion was up on 2010-11-13?
181 2011-01-29 01:42:51 <molecular> I played twice. got "1" each time, then stopped.
182 2011-01-29 01:42:55 <btcex> but tomorrow hi found nothing on his wallet
183 2011-01-29 01:43:01 mtgox has joined
184 2011-01-29 01:43:08 <btcex> Cusipzzz: I am do record of my bets
185 2011-01-29 01:43:16 <btcex> in oocalc table
186 2011-01-29 01:43:31 <Cusipzzz> well, unless you are doing 10,000+ trials, doesn't say much
187 2011-01-29 01:43:42 <theymos> echelon: Yes.
188 2011-01-29 01:43:50 <btcex> Cusipzzz: it is true
189 2011-01-29 01:43:59 <molecular> how many did you manage to place, btcex.
190 2011-01-29 01:44:00 <btcex> but 12% it is not 2%
191 2011-01-29 01:44:01 <molecular> have a script?
192 2011-01-29 01:44:02 <echelon> hasn't been up whenever i checked
193 2011-01-29 01:44:08 <btcex> molecular: ~20
194 2011-01-29 01:44:13 <echelon> but the website is working on the server
195 2011-01-29 01:44:14 <btcex> molecular: no, by hands
196 2011-01-29 01:44:26 <echelon> webserver*
197 2011-01-29 01:44:28 <molecular> something to do on a boring night )
198 2011-01-29 01:44:52 <molecular> btcex: you total >100%, I hope
199 2011-01-29 01:45:00 <btcex> molecular: yes
200 2011-01-29 01:45:11 * kiba execute his backup script like nobody's business
201 2011-01-29 01:45:14 <molecular> how much are you betting each round?
202 2011-01-29 01:45:27 <kiba> I seem to have secure myself another job
203 2011-01-29 01:45:42 <btcex> Teaching web artists a mathematics through fines
204 2011-01-29 01:45:51 <btcex> molecular: 1 btc
205 2011-01-29 01:46:19 <btcex> but slow block generations drive me crazy
206 2011-01-29 01:46:32 <kiba> who's a web artist?
207 2011-01-29 01:46:48 <btcex> kiba: i think author of jackpotdice.bitcoinbet.com
208 2011-01-29 01:47:06 <btcex> it have cool art design
209 2011-01-29 01:47:47 <kiba> oh fine
210 2011-01-29 01:47:53 <kiba> I'll devote 1 BTC to this game
211 2011-01-29 01:48:33 <theymos> echelon: BitLex's node also used to do that. Maybe xqzf... screwed up his configuration at some point.
212 2011-01-29 01:48:59 <molecular> btcex, just bet more, that'll be faster
213 2011-01-29 01:49:17 <molecular> btcex, you can also do it in parallel easily
214 2011-01-29 01:49:17 <btcex> molecular: i waiting for 20 bets now
215 2011-01-29 01:49:27 <btcex> for confirmations
216 2011-01-29 01:49:33 <molecular> hehe, lets hash a little faster, then ;)
217 2011-01-29 01:49:49 <Cusipzzz> lol...spammin the blockchain
218 2011-01-29 01:50:00 <molecular> wonder what happens when he runs out of coins
219 2011-01-29 01:50:45 <Cusipzzz> if it's really +ev, we will find out
220 2011-01-29 01:50:49 <kiba> I lost 1 BTC
221 2011-01-29 01:50:50 <Cusipzzz> if not, great marketing :p
222 2011-01-29 01:51:01 <btcex> awaiting 19 ets
223 2011-01-29 01:51:03 <btcex> bets
224 2011-01-29 01:51:12 <theymos> A while ago there was a whole casino with bad odds. I made hundreds of BTC playing slots.
225 2011-01-29 01:51:17 * kiba don't play again
226 2011-01-29 01:51:46 <btcex> molecular: hi says what site entering to special 'out of money' mode
227 2011-01-29 01:51:55 <ArtForz> happens a lot really
228 2011-01-29 01:52:12 <btcex> currently money avail
229 2011-01-29 01:52:26 <Cusipzzz> theymos: sporting events are rigged too, give it a shot :)
230 2011-01-29 01:52:30 <btcex> hi says what prize fund is 1000 BTC
231 2011-01-29 01:53:01 <kiba> I think it's Dragon Tales
232 2011-01-29 01:53:07 <kiba> the big daddy gambling casino of bitcoin
233 2011-01-29 01:53:22 <noagendamarket> yes its dragons tale
234 2011-01-29 01:53:46 <kiba> it seem that an awful lot of casino are popping up
235 2011-01-29 01:54:37 <btcex> 18 bets awaiting
236 2011-01-29 01:55:07 <btcex> why played into Dragon Tales?
237 2011-01-29 01:55:25 <btcex> my SiS GPU don't allow OpenGL and i am don't seen it
238 2011-01-29 01:55:26 <Cusipzzz> if he let you deposit and keep a running balance, you would quickly find out if it's +ev or not. this 1 and done is just blockchain spam
239 2011-01-29 01:56:09 <kiba> btcex: I don't have enough RAM
240 2011-01-29 01:56:20 <btcex> Cusipzzz: spam? no, it is transaction from him to me
241 2011-01-29 01:56:23 <btcex> :)
242 2011-01-29 01:57:07 <theymos> It's annoying how so many Bitcoin sites use the same favicon. I'm always getting the tabs confused.
243 2011-01-29 01:57:08 <Cusipzzz> a useless transaction when you are sending 20 and he is sending back 18 or 21
244 2011-01-29 01:57:14 <btcex> average dice number is 2.6 ... hmmm
245 2011-01-29 01:57:27 <kiba> theymos: we're in a boomtown!
246 2011-01-29 01:57:44 <molecular> well, a samplesize of 20 doesn't really say much
247 2011-01-29 01:57:45 <btcex> from 19 attempts
248 2011-01-29 01:58:16 <molecular> expected value is 3.5
249 2011-01-29 01:58:36 <molecular> I'm sure 2.6 is not significantly off with samplesize 19
250 2011-01-29 01:58:54 <Cusipzzz> lol
251 2011-01-29 01:59:13 <molecular> I played 6 times, got "1" 5 times and a "4"
252 2011-01-29 01:59:30 <Cusipzzz> nothing is significant with a sample size of 19..or even 100. variance is your friend (or not)
253 2011-01-29 01:59:48 <molecular> hehe, played 7 times, got 6 "1"s and one "4"
254 2011-01-29 02:00:18 <btcex> f**K! i am sended 4 BTC to already played invalid addres
255 2011-01-29 02:00:22 <noagendamarket> theymos which favicon is that ?
256 2011-01-29 02:00:23 <btcex> carramba
257 2011-01-29 02:00:32 <molecular> hehe, maybe that's his trick
258 2011-01-29 02:00:36 <noagendamarket> is it the official bitcoin logo ?
259 2011-01-29 02:00:37 <ArtForz> int rand() { return 4; } //random number determined by fair dice roll
260 2011-01-29 02:00:57 <btcex> also i win 2 * 6 = 12 BTC
261 2011-01-29 02:00:59 <btcex> hehe)
262 2011-01-29 02:01:06 <kiba> noagendamarket: do we even have an official?
263 2011-01-29 02:01:10 <btcex> molecular: may be may be )
264 2011-01-29 02:01:15 <kiba> there's like two logo and favicon competing with each other
265 2011-01-29 02:01:16 <molecular> ArtForz, where do I know that from?
266 2011-01-29 02:01:25 <noagendamarket> kiba its the satoshi one
267 2011-01-29 02:01:26 <theymos> noagendamarket: http://www.bitcoin.org/favicon.ico
268 2011-01-29 02:02:34 <noagendamarket> theymos its confusing on twitter too as lots of accounts use that
269 2011-01-29 02:02:38 <noagendamarket> lol
270 2011-01-29 02:02:45 <molecular> btcex, do you use the same receiving-adress on each bet?
271 2011-01-29 02:02:50 <btcex> molecular: yes
272 2011-01-29 02:03:02 <btcex> it is don't track it, it seems
273 2011-01-29 02:03:33 <molecular> not to avoid parallel playing at least
274 2011-01-29 02:04:07 <molecular> that picture fo the lady make me want to sip on a whiskey and have a cigar
275 2011-01-29 02:04:49 xelister has joined
276 2011-01-29 02:06:31 <kiba> bitcoiners are the type of people who exploits bad rules for profit
277 2011-01-29 02:06:54 <kiba> or good deals
278 2011-01-29 02:07:02 <btcex> kiba: You seen results of the pool about bitcoin network attack?
279 2011-01-29 02:07:16 <kiba> no
280 2011-01-29 02:07:18 <Cusipzzz> bitcoiners are nitty :)
281 2011-01-29 02:08:44 <kiba> The egg or young of a parasitic insect, such as a louse.
282 2011-01-29 02:09:01 <kiba> err
283 2011-01-29 02:09:06 <noagendamarket> kiba I see you figured out how to post on witcoin :)
284 2011-01-29 02:09:08 <kiba> that's for nit
285 2011-01-29 02:09:16 <kiba> The egg or young of a parasitic insect, such as a louse.
286 2011-01-29 02:09:26 <kiba> I seem to not have earn a profit yet, noagendamarket
287 2011-01-29 02:09:27 <Cusipzzz> check other definitions
288 2011-01-29 02:09:37 <Cusipzzz> ;;ud nitty
289 2011-01-29 02:09:38 <gribble> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Nitty | An idiot or a dickhead, someone who thinks theyr'e cool.
290 2011-01-29 02:09:42 <Cusipzzz> oops
291 2011-01-29 02:09:49 <Cusipzzz> should be another definition :)
292 2011-01-29 02:09:50 <noagendamarket> kiba we dont have many users yet
293 2011-01-29 02:10:13 <kiba> I am stuck 0.99
294 2011-01-29 02:10:31 <Cusipzzz> Nitty is also often used to describe somebody who is tight with their money, or somebody who you can never please.
295 2011-01-29 02:10:32 <Cusipzzz> The term is popular in the poker community to describe somebody who is tight and plays only very strong hands, and now the poker community has expanded the use of the world to capture life nittiness too.
296 2011-01-29 02:11:22 <molecular> these bots are fun, where can I see a list of ;;bots available?
297 2011-01-29 02:11:38 <sipa> ,,help
298 2011-01-29 02:11:39 <gribble> The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/
299 2011-01-29 02:12:41 <kiba> noagendamarket: so, what was your involvement in the witcoin project?
300 2011-01-29 02:12:58 <noagendamarket> kiba I host it
301 2011-01-29 02:13:48 <kiba> so you get any profit out of it?
302 2011-01-29 02:14:38 <kiba> http://witticisms.witcoin.com/witticism/13/The-witcoin-screencap-show
303 2011-01-29 02:14:42 <kiba> I don't see anything there
304 2011-01-29 02:15:01 <noagendamarket> yeah i was testing something....and taking a screencap
305 2011-01-29 02:15:39 <kiba> how come you can vote your own stuff up?
306 2011-01-29 02:15:56 <btcex> why need witcoin?
307 2011-01-29 02:16:23 <noagendamarket> it prevents spam
308 2011-01-29 02:16:38 <noagendamarket> yet it doesnt cost much as to be noticeable
309 2011-01-29 02:17:14 <btcex> blocks are overloaded
310 2011-01-29 02:17:42 sabalaba has quit (Quit: Leaving)
311 2011-01-29 02:17:48 <btcex> my ~20 transactions are unconfirmed, and 1-2 confirmed after each block is generated
312 2011-01-29 02:20:28 <kiba> what if a bitcoin equal a hundred dollar?
313 2011-01-29 02:21:08 <echelon> sounds like a possibility
314 2011-01-29 02:21:16 <btcex> kiba: we make big party
315 2011-01-29 02:21:30 <btcex> a big party
316 2011-01-29 02:21:35 <btcex> runglish, sorry
317 2011-01-29 02:22:02 * kiba try to collect his 2100 BTC lottery ticket
318 2011-01-29 02:22:10 <btcex> dice average value is 2.78. probably it works
319 2011-01-29 02:22:13 <kiba> I am now at 684.01 BTC now
320 2011-01-29 02:22:26 <btcex> kiba: what is lottery ticket?
321 2011-01-29 02:22:43 <kiba> btcex: if it get big, than I am a self-made man for life :D
322 2011-01-29 02:23:56 * kiba goes make lunch for tomorrow
323 2011-01-29 02:24:39 * kiba realize he already have sandwiches
324 2011-01-29 02:28:03 <btcex> kiba: est 1 hour ago you said what you do not a gamble at all
325 2011-01-29 02:28:10 <citiz3n> for slush's pool, do you have to create a user/pass for each device you use?
326 2011-01-29 02:28:13 <btcex> now you say what you collect lottery ticket
327 2011-01-29 02:28:16 <citiz3n> for each individual graphics card?
328 2011-01-29 02:33:04 <molecular> yay, slush got 3 blocks in a row
329 2011-01-29 02:34:09 <theymos> So the pool could double-spend transactions to Bitcoin Market...
330 2011-01-29 02:34:29 <kiba> btcex: ok, so I was inconsistent
331 2011-01-29 02:35:15 <noagendamarket> we need a competing pool
332 2011-01-29 02:35:40 <molecular> slush has 20% of the mining power
333 2011-01-29 02:36:37 <citiz3n> i thought i read that older catalyst drivers (well, at least older opencl) was faster than the most recent
334 2011-01-29 02:36:48 * kiba made lemonade for tomorrow
335 2011-01-29 02:36:57 <kiba> Kids, soda are expensive junks
336 2011-01-29 02:37:05 <molecular> kiba = kirsch banane ?
337 2011-01-29 02:37:12 <kiba> ?
338 2011-01-29 02:37:22 <kiba> is that some german drink?
339 2011-01-29 02:37:45 <molecular> some drink in germany called "kiba". its cherry juice (KIrsche) plus banana juice (BAnane) -> KIBA
340 2011-01-29 02:37:47 <citiz3n> i have ~330 mhash/s to add to slush's pool :D
341 2011-01-29 02:37:55 <citiz3n> just need to decide which catalyst to install
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343 2011-01-29 02:38:35 <molecular> rolled the dice 11 times now, bet 11 btc, got back 11 btc. I'm done with this game ;)
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345 2011-01-29 02:39:26 <molecular> citiz3n, wow, from your cpus?
346 2011-01-29 02:39:34 <luke-jr> anyone here using KVM yet?
347 2011-01-29 02:39:41 <molecular> there have to be some gpu involved ;)
348 2011-01-29 02:39:46 <molecular> KVM?
349 2011-01-29 02:39:56 <luke-jr> Kernel Virtual Machine
350 2011-01-29 02:40:01 <luke-jr> qemu w/ hw virt support
351 2011-01-29 02:40:21 <citiz3n> no, i went out and picked up two 5770s tonight
352 2011-01-29 02:40:32 <citiz3n> that was the best card they had unfortunately
353 2011-01-29 02:40:39 * molecular is reminded of qemm386 on DOS
354 2011-01-29 02:40:40 <citiz3n> i wanted the 5870s
355 2011-01-29 02:41:00 <luke-jr> I want to isolate the proprietary blobs
356 2011-01-29 02:41:00 <citiz3n> i was itching to get these coins crunchin :)
357 2011-01-29 02:41:06 <luke-jr> so ideally, I want them inside a VM
358 2011-01-29 02:41:47 <molecular> citiz3n, did you overclock yet? you should get quite a bit more, I think
359 2011-01-29 02:42:03 <citiz3n> haven't even ran them yet - need to install the drivers first
360 2011-01-29 02:42:10 <citiz3n> was trying to figure out if i should go with latest, or earlier version
361 2011-01-29 02:42:31 <citiz3n> i don't use this box with a monitor even - it's all remote desktop
362 2011-01-29 02:42:41 <molecular> yeah, do that here, too
363 2011-01-29 02:42:42 <citiz3n> so i don't care about anything other than hash speed :)
364 2011-01-29 02:42:49 <molecular> why connect a monitor to graphics card anyways?
365 2011-01-29 02:43:03 <luke-jr> I agree
366 2011-01-29 02:43:05 <citiz3n> haha i had some old piece of shit connected to that computer
367 2011-01-29 02:43:09 <citiz3n> and it wouldn't even post
368 2011-01-29 02:43:09 <btcex> molecular: -30 BTC for now
369 2011-01-29 02:43:13 <luke-jr> the IGP is far more than capable
370 2011-01-29 02:43:15 <luke-jr> :P
371 2011-01-29 02:43:16 <btcex> awaiting 10 bets
372 2011-01-29 02:43:18 <citiz3n> but it booted up just fine and i remoted into it like normal
373 2011-01-29 02:43:26 <molecular> btcex: how many still open?
374 2011-01-29 02:43:33 <citiz3n> that monitor is so old and crappy nothing came up on it :P
375 2011-01-29 02:43:41 <molecular> btcex, a, sorry, 10
376 2011-01-29 02:43:57 <btcex> 61 BTC bets, 32 win
377 2011-01-29 02:44:08 <molecular> btcex, damn, thats bad
378 2011-01-29 02:44:09 <btcex> awaiting ~10 bets
379 2011-01-29 02:44:35 <molecular> 10 should get you 12BTC, you still loose ;(
380 2011-01-29 02:44:54 <btcex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvLDm8821jQ doop doop :)
381 2011-01-29 02:45:59 <btcex> molecular: may be this is fraud :(
382 2011-01-29 02:46:09 <molecular> maybe
383 2011-01-29 02:46:17 <molecular> he let me get away with 100%, though
384 2011-01-29 02:46:25 <molecular> maybe it's just bad luck
385 2011-01-29 02:47:00 <btcex> molecular: it may analyse bet amount
386 2011-01-29 02:47:05 <sgornick> Is it normal to have 12 blocks solved in just an hour? http://blockexplorer.com
387 2011-01-29 02:47:07 <Cusipzzz> odds of him offering a +ev game are pretty slim
388 2011-01-29 02:47:16 <molecular> there is no "normal"
389 2011-01-29 02:47:34 <btcex> if you bet < 1 btc it is not fraud, but if you bet 4-5 btc...
390 2011-01-29 02:47:35 <molecular> yeah, he can't be that stupid
391 2011-01-29 02:47:42 <molecular> possible
392 2011-01-29 02:47:51 <Cusipzzz> sgornick: it's directly proportional to me looking for a transaction.. 12 per hr is fine, but when i need a tx, it's min 45 mins per block :)
393 2011-01-29 02:48:09 <molecular> Cusipzzz: lol
394 2011-01-29 02:48:25 <btcex> molecular: i am not beliewe that hi don checked his system by random number of bets amount to avoid math mistake
395 2011-01-29 02:48:35 <btcex> hi don't checked*
396 2011-01-29 02:48:41 <Cusipzzz> not joking... everytime i tell someone they will be credit in ~10 mins, it's minimum 30
397 2011-01-29 02:49:07 <molecular> I don't believe one can make such a math mistake at all. not someone running a casino.
398 2011-01-29 02:49:08 <sgornick> holy shttake! Approx. cluster performance:31190.291685 Mhash/s http://mining.bitcoin.cz/stats/
399 2011-01-29 02:49:28 <molecular> yeah, it's been around 30ghash/s for 2 days now
400 2011-01-29 02:49:36 * sgornick late to the paryt.
401 2011-01-29 02:49:37 <molecular> or maybe 1
402 2011-01-29 02:49:56 <Cusipzzz> pretty soon it will become sentient and launch the missles :)
403 2011-01-29 02:50:50 <citiz3n> but im le tired
404 2011-01-29 02:51:02 <citiz3n> sorry, just made me think of that
405 2011-01-29 02:54:09 <EvanR> pool will be at about 40G next week
406 2011-01-29 02:54:21 <btcex> five! from ~30 attemts i am get only one 5 on dice
407 2011-01-29 02:54:23 <citiz3n> so anyone know if the catalyst 11.1 suck
408 2011-01-29 02:54:26 <citiz3n> or if they're good?
409 2011-01-29 02:54:50 <btcex> citiz3n: cisco sucks at all
410 2011-01-29 02:55:10 <citiz3n> ati :P
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413 2011-01-29 03:03:57 <EvanR> citiz3n: 5970
414 2011-01-29 03:05:12 <EvanR> alrighty
415 2011-01-29 03:05:53 <EvanR> im running diablo miner, and getting 14000kh/s
416 2011-01-29 03:06:12 <EvanR> and it reports only one of my two cypress chips...
417 2011-01-29 03:06:19 <EvanR> i am getting shares on the pool
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419 2011-01-29 03:06:32 <EvanR> anyone know how to help? :S
420 2011-01-29 03:06:56 <citiz3n> i wish i knew something to help you with :(
421 2011-01-29 03:07:03 <citiz3n> but today's my first day mining
422 2011-01-29 03:07:10 <EvanR> mine too
423 2011-01-29 03:07:24 * citiz3n high fives EvanR
424 2011-01-29 03:07:53 <citiz3n> are you on windows?
425 2011-01-29 03:08:28 <Diablo-D3> [10:00:34] <EvanR> im running diablo miner, and getting 14000kh/s
426 2011-01-29 03:08:28 <Diablo-D3> [10:00:53] <EvanR> and it reports only one of my two cypress chips...
427 2011-01-29 03:08:33 <Diablo-D3> because you have crossfire on
428 2011-01-29 03:08:35 <Diablo-D3> dont do that.
429 2011-01-29 03:09:28 <citiz3n> anyone havign problems connecting to slush?
430 2011-01-29 03:09:49 <Diablo-D3> nope, working for me
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432 2011-01-29 03:10:26 <Netsniper> haven't found a block since september *sigh*
433 2011-01-29 03:10:28 <Netsniper> :)
434 2011-01-29 03:10:28 <citiz3n> im not resolving mining.bitcoin.cz anymore
435 2011-01-29 03:10:33 <citiz3n> what's his numerical IP?
436 2011-01-29 03:11:03 <citiz3n> yay for dns
437 2011-01-29 03:11:13 <echelon> theymos, hmm.. i get 3/unconfirmed from bitlaundry
438 2011-01-29 03:11:29 <theymos> Cool. I guess it just had low priority for some reason.
439 2011-01-29 03:12:00 <echelon> so it's safe to send more to bitlaundry?
440 2011-01-29 03:12:37 <Diablo-D3> echelon: if its >0 it made it into the chain
441 2011-01-29 03:12:56 <echelon> i see
442 2011-01-29 03:13:06 <theymos> I think I know what happened: since BitLaundry keeps a low balance, it sends the same coins back to you. Sending the same coins twice in a row gives the transaction very low priority.
443 2011-01-29 03:13:21 <theymos> I wouldn't use BitLaundry for the same reason. Getting the same coins back is pointless.
444 2011-01-29 03:13:25 <btcex> theymos: and very traceable
445 2011-01-29 03:13:42 <echelon> -__-
446 2011-01-29 03:13:53 <echelon> wasn't there another site similar to it?
447 2011-01-29 03:14:21 <theymos> Just put the balance in MyBitcoin and leave it there for a couple of days. That'll mix your coins very well.
448 2011-01-29 03:14:27 <citiz3n> yawn - waiting for server to reboot
449 2011-01-29 03:14:29 <echelon> oh
450 2011-01-29 03:14:45 <Cusipzzz> or mtgox...or btcsportsbet ;)
451 2011-01-29 03:14:47 <citiz3n> perhaps someone can tell me if i need to create a user/password for each of the graphics cards
452 2011-01-29 03:14:52 <citiz3n> for slush's pool
453 2011-01-29 03:15:02 <citiz3n> do you need to have a separate user/pass for each instance of a miner you are running
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455 2011-01-29 03:15:08 <theymos> echelon: You can even check on BBE to see whether you got any of your own coins back. If you did, mix them again.
456 2011-01-29 03:15:32 <echelon> bbe?
457 2011-01-29 03:15:39 <doublec> citiz3n: you need to register a miner with a different username/password for each miner instance you run
458 2011-01-29 03:15:44 <theymos> echelon: http://blockexplorer.com/
459 2011-01-29 03:15:55 <echelon> thanks
460 2011-01-29 03:16:14 <theymos> echelon: The transaction hash listed in the -debug dump output can be used to look up a specifc transaction on BBE.
461 2011-01-29 03:16:27 <echelon> ah
462 2011-01-29 03:16:40 <kiba> pursue bitcoin with great greed; live like a monk
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464 2011-01-29 03:23:10 <molecular> citiz3n, no, you dont need an account for every miner. look on "my account", you can register so-called "workers". register one worker per miner.
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466 2011-01-29 03:27:17 <citiz3n> that's what i meant
467 2011-01-29 03:27:22 <citiz3n> so you HAVE to register a worker for each miner?
468 2011-01-29 03:29:33 <molecular> yes
469 2011-01-29 03:29:42 <molecular> don't use same worker-account for more than 1 miner
470 2011-01-29 03:30:03 <molecular> not that it's much hassle to register a worker
471 2011-01-29 03:32:54 <btcex> average of 6 in dice gambling is ~0.08 (must be 0.16)
472 2011-01-29 03:33:33 <Cusipzzz> btcex: rigged obv
473 2011-01-29 03:33:34 <btcex> i think site contains function like: r = random(); if (r = 6 ) then r = random()
474 2011-01-29 03:34:03 <Cusipzzz> or if bet> .01 r(1:5)
475 2011-01-29 03:34:15 <btcex> Cusipzzz: no, i am check various bet amouts
476 2011-01-29 03:34:21 <btcex> from 0.01 to 10
477 2011-01-29 03:34:23 <Cusipzzz> ah. k
478 2011-01-29 03:34:31 <btcex> awaiting ~8 bets
479 2011-01-29 03:36:35 <molecular> one of my 11 1BTC-bets got a 6
480 2011-01-29 03:37:09 <kiba> Gogole will be like..Blindedsided but blessed by bitcoin
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482 2011-01-29 03:37:28 <kiba> s/Gogole/Google
483 2011-01-29 03:38:22 <btcex> frequency of 1 is 0.28, what bigger whan 1/3
484 2011-01-29 03:38:35 <btcex> oh, 1/6
485 2011-01-29 03:39:42 <molecular> I got 5 ones (out of 11)
486 2011-01-29 03:40:05 <molecular> I think his random() might be severely biased
487 2011-01-29 03:40:18 <btcex> becouse this is fraud site owner do not check math
488 2011-01-29 03:40:23 <btcex> (i think)
489 2011-01-29 03:40:52 <molecular> maybe he made it >100% return to attract players (faked the mistake)
490 2011-01-29 03:41:09 <btcex> awaiting =11 bets
491 2011-01-29 03:41:30 <btcex> little chance to fix probabilities
492 2011-01-29 03:41:32 <btcex> :)
493 2011-01-29 03:41:51 <btcex> molecular: i am change return addres, but don't change my IP
494 2011-01-29 03:42:12 <molecular> yeah, that's what I thought about... changing adress is not sufficient
495 2011-01-29 03:44:09 <btcex> when all bets are be played i am calculate depending from bet amount
496 2011-01-29 03:44:32 <btcex> but it is to little number of bets, but..
497 2011-01-29 03:44:45 <btcex> 95% what it is fraud :(
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499 2011-01-29 03:47:55 <echelon> who receives the transaction fee set in the options?
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501 2011-01-29 03:50:37 <btcex> echelon: why generates block
502 2011-01-29 03:50:51 <echelon> what?
503 2011-01-29 03:51:45 <btcex> echelon: transactions fee receives person, why owns generator of a block
504 2011-01-29 03:52:04 <btcex> english is not my native language, sorry )
505 2011-01-29 03:52:27 <echelon> np
506 2011-01-29 04:00:24 <theymos> Whoever generates the block your transactions appear in get the fee.
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508 2011-01-29 04:04:51 <echelon> ah i see
509 2011-01-29 04:06:11 <echelon> but don't they get 50 btc's automatically?
510 2011-01-29 04:06:26 <theymos> It's added. For example: http://blockexplorer.com/b/73261
511 2011-01-29 04:07:02 <theymos> The generation input in this case was worth 54.32 instead of 50.
512 2011-01-29 04:07:17 <luke-jr> echelon: also, the 50 BTC is not forever
513 2011-01-29 04:07:18 <echelon> oh cool
514 2011-01-29 04:07:27 <luke-jr> it halves about every 2 years IIRC
515 2011-01-29 04:07:38 <echelon> how is it determined
516 2011-01-29 04:07:45 <btcex> 3 bets awaiting
517 2011-01-29 04:08:11 <btcex> echelon: in bitcoin src
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520 2011-01-29 04:08:13 <luke-jr> echelon: your client chooses the fee it sends
521 2011-01-29 04:08:45 <luke-jr> the free market decides if they put your tx into a block ;)
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523 2011-01-29 04:09:12 <echelon> i know the client can send a set transaction fee, but how is the initial 50 btc is determined
524 2011-01-29 04:09:23 <luke-jr> hard-coded into the design
525 2011-01-29 04:09:28 <echelon> oh
526 2011-01-29 04:10:20 <theymos> Every 210,000 blocks (4 years), your client halves the maximum generation it is willing to accept in a block. Blocks that break the rules will not be accepted.
527 2011-01-29 04:10:48 <echelon> so what prevents someone from changing their client code to give themselves 100 instead of 50
528 2011-01-29 04:11:15 <theymos> No one would accept it and the coins would be worthless.
529 2011-01-29 04:11:47 <echelon> cool
530 2011-01-29 04:13:31 <echelon> so two years from now when it's halved, if a person is still mining on an old client their block would get rejected?
531 2011-01-29 04:13:49 <luke-jr> all the clients know the rules
532 2011-01-29 04:13:51 <theymos> No. The halving is automatic.
533 2011-01-29 04:13:56 <echelon> ah
534 2011-01-29 04:14:22 <theymos> Probably their block will be rejected, though, since some breaking change is likely in that time.
535 2011-01-29 04:19:40 <echelon> what if the coins you're sending contains blocks generated from multiple persons, the transaction fee gets divided?
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537 2011-01-29 04:19:54 <luke-jr> â¦
538 2011-01-29 04:20:04 doublec has quit (Quit: Leaving)
539 2011-01-29 04:20:14 <luke-jr> a tx can onyl be in one block
540 2011-01-29 04:20:23 <echelon> eh
541 2011-01-29 04:21:07 <theymos> It's the block your transaction is *published in* that gets the fee.
542 2011-01-29 04:21:28 <echelon> ohh
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544 2011-01-29 04:23:17 <molecular> it's to keep people generating blocks even though they have no value any more (in 14 years)
545 2011-01-29 04:24:33 * echelon goes back to read the faq
546 2011-01-29 04:24:46 <theymos> A low fee will also be required soon to filter out transaction spam.
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548 2011-01-29 04:38:20 <citiz3n> i can't get my new radeons to post :(
549 2011-01-29 04:38:33 <citiz3n> the computer booted up, but with no monitor signal
550 2011-01-29 04:38:57 <citiz3n> i was able to ping it and everything, got in there and installed the drivers via remote desktop
551 2011-01-29 04:39:11 <echelon> oh..
552 2011-01-29 04:39:19 <echelon> theymos, this was what i was trying to find.. https://bitlaundry.appspot.com/
553 2011-01-29 04:39:20 <citiz3n> thought if it worked, i would just forget about the no posting for now since i never use a monitor there anyways
554 2011-01-29 04:40:33 <citiz3n> damn this is annoying
555 2011-01-29 04:41:17 <theymos> echelon: That one will probably send you your own coins, too. I'd stick with MyBitcoin/MtGox until someone modifies Bitcoin to mix coins properly.
556 2011-01-29 04:41:45 * citiz3n reluctantly walks back down to the basement grumbling
557 2011-01-29 04:41:59 noagendamarket has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
558 2011-01-29 04:42:55 <jgarzik> is testnet difficulty back down to something sane?
559 2011-01-29 04:43:11 molecular has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
560 2011-01-29 04:43:29 <echelon> oh, i already have my money in mtgox
561 2011-01-29 04:43:47 <echelon> so i should just withdraw different amounts at different intervals?
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563 2011-01-29 04:46:17 <theymos> Yes. Choosing amounts that are very different from the deposit amounts will make it less likely that you'll get back those coins.
564 2011-01-29 04:47:03 <theymos> The Bitcoin client is bad for anonymity. It's a good idea to keep a MyBitcoin account that you use only for anonymous transactions.
565 2011-01-29 04:47:25 <echelon> cool
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568 2011-01-29 04:54:37 <luke-jr> â¦
569 2011-01-29 04:54:45 <luke-jr> MyBitcoin is even worse for anonymity
570 2011-01-29 04:55:02 <knotwork> is there any reference-implementation or sample or whatever of source code for bots interfacing to the MtGox APIs ?
571 2011-01-29 04:55:28 <knotwork> I am looking for something to use from commandline and/or from an IRC bot TCL script
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574 2011-01-29 04:57:32 <theymos> luke-jr: Why? If you access it via Tor, they can't find you. Bitcoin, however, is very vulnerable to timing attacks when used over Tor, and your balance is not automatically mixed with other users.
575 2011-01-29 04:58:27 <luke-jr> theymos: *IF you access it via Tor*
576 2011-01-29 04:59:21 <theymos> Obviously you need to access it via Tor if you're searching for anonymity...
577 2011-01-29 04:59:23 <citiz3n> what do you mean by vulnerable to timing attacks?
578 2011-01-29 04:59:34 <luke-jr> also, Tor isn't very anonymous either
579 2011-01-29 04:59:48 <theymos> It's anonymous enough when used over HTTPS.
580 2011-01-29 05:00:06 <luke-jr> assuming MyBitcoin is out of a mandatory logging jurisdiction
581 2011-01-29 05:00:29 <theymos> citiz3n: Since your ISP can watch both ends of the Bitcoin connection easily, they can match the timings of packets and identify you. It's pretty trivial.
582 2011-01-29 05:00:54 <kiba> finding freedom in an unfree world
583 2011-01-29 05:01:15 <luke-jr> kiba: you mean making freedom into a god
584 2011-01-29 05:01:21 <citiz3n> ah you're just talking about privacy
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586 2011-01-29 05:02:09 <kiba> luke-jr: I don't believe in god or goddess
587 2011-01-29 05:02:18 <kiba> except Eris, the Goddess of Chaos
588 2011-01-29 05:02:27 <citiz3n> freedom can only exist as a state of being :)
589 2011-01-29 05:02:32 <luke-jr> kiba: denial just makes you more the blind
590 2011-01-29 05:04:59 <kiba> what's wrong wtih freedom?
591 2011-01-29 05:05:57 <luke-jr> nothing, but it isn't an end in itself
592 2011-01-29 05:06:15 <kiba> I want to be immortal
593 2011-01-29 05:06:18 <kiba> do you?
594 2011-01-29 05:06:27 <luke-jr> I know I am immortal.
595 2011-01-29 05:07:10 <kiba> so if I kill you, you'll live?
596 2011-01-29 05:07:16 <luke-jr> yes
597 2011-01-29 05:07:17 <kiba> what if I fuck up your brain?
598 2011-01-29 05:07:26 <luke-jr> that wouldn't be very nice
599 2011-01-29 05:07:37 <kiba> do you believe in dualism?
600 2011-01-29 05:07:43 <luke-jr> ..
601 2011-01-29 05:07:55 <kiba> I believe my soul is the brain!
602 2011-01-29 05:07:59 <kiba> do you?
603 2011-01-29 05:08:00 <EvanR> oh what is this, a religious discussion
604 2011-01-29 05:08:15 <kiba> EvanR is merely being platotistic
605 2011-01-29 05:08:19 <luke-jr> brain is only part of the soul
606 2011-01-29 05:08:38 <kiba> well, luke-jr is merely being a platotistic
607 2011-01-29 05:08:40 <EvanR> whats platotistic
608 2011-01-29 05:08:41 <luke-jr> EvanR: why not? playing freeciv by myself gets boring
609 2011-01-29 05:09:36 * kiba greedily pursue bitcoin
610 2011-01-29 05:10:08 <EvanR> thats what platotistic means
611 2011-01-29 05:10:24 <luke-jr> ?
612 2011-01-29 05:10:40 <EvanR> i dont know
613 2011-01-29 05:10:56 <EvanR> bitches, im mining the shit out of this shit
614 2011-01-29 05:10:58 <luke-jr> it should mean pizza.
615 2011-01-29 05:11:00 <luke-jr> I like pizza.
616 2011-01-29 05:11:44 <EvanR> i could go for some pizza
617 2011-01-29 05:11:49 <EvanR> wheres that bitpizza site
618 2011-01-29 05:12:01 <citiz3n> that's a good iea
619 2011-01-29 05:12:27 <luke-jr> yeah
620 2011-01-29 05:12:34 <luke-jr> could use pizzaparty for it
621 2011-01-29 05:12:43 <kiba> pizza4btc?
622 2011-01-29 05:13:27 <luke-jr> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1brr3_man-pizza-party_tech
623 2011-01-29 05:14:28 <luke-jr> stupid sourceforge
624 2011-01-29 05:14:34 <luke-jr> idiots can't even keep passwords secure -.-
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647 2011-01-29 06:33:53 <EvanR> ;;bc,calc 550000
648 2011-01-29 06:33:54 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 550000 Khps, given current difficulty of 22012.4941572 , is 1 day, 23 hours, 44 minutes, and 56 seconds
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651 2011-01-29 06:43:54 <dirtyfilthy> does anyone have/know of a tool to dump raw transactions from the wallet?
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654 2011-01-29 06:57:09 <tcatm> dirtyfilthy: bitcointools
655 2011-01-29 06:59:09 <dirtyfilthy> nah, i need raw transactions, i've started modifying it to it, but i thought i'd ask fist
656 2011-01-29 07:00:38 <theymos> New real-time stats page: http://blockexplorer.com/q/nethash . This data would be useful for making a nice chart of network hash/s over time.
657 2011-01-29 07:03:13 <tcatm> theymos: Great! Can you share the code used to calculate the data?
658 2011-01-29 07:06:53 <theymos> http://pastebin.com/EePxYb6W It mostly just takes advantage of my block database (I'm not sharing the code for that).
659 2011-01-29 07:09:54 <tcatm> thanks
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665 2011-01-29 07:28:13 <jgarzik> newer, faster cpuminer released: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1925.msg42319#msg42319
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668 2011-01-29 07:38:24 <mrb_> jgarzik: I think your code is certainly useful, at least for educational purposes. others can learn from your code how mining works, or can use it as a starting point for writing other miners. but given that CPUs have lost almost all value in mining --I don't mean to be disparaging-- I am curious to know what motivates you to work on it?
669 2011-01-29 07:39:13 <jgarzik> mrb_: cpuminer has a lot of pool users
670 2011-01-29 07:40:44 <Keefe> there are many cases where cpu mining is slightly profitable, and many more where it's attractive for non-profit reasons
671 2011-01-29 07:41:50 <Keefe> it's good for bitcoin, for cpu owners to be encouraged to contribute to the system even if just a little bit
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673 2011-01-29 07:42:50 <mrb_> okay.
674 2011-01-29 07:43:22 <mrb_> Keefe: yep, I do know that CPU mining is slightly profitable with 6+ core CPUs at $.10/kWhr
675 2011-01-29 07:43:49 <mrb_> the most profitable are actually the 12-core Opterons
676 2011-01-29 07:49:43 <mrb_> speaking of pools...
677 2011-01-29 07:52:03 <mrb_> slush's pool is now at ~20Ghash/s. It's not unreasonable to think that a small contributor may produce no more than a few Mhash/s. That means he gets about .01 BTC per block solved by the pool.
678 2011-01-29 07:52:29 <mrb_> as the pool continues to grow, they will be rounded to 0 by the current bitcoin client.
679 2011-01-29 07:54:00 <mrb_> wouldn't it mean that pooling is soon to become useless for single-CPU owners?
680 2011-01-29 07:59:29 <tcatm> It's already pretty useless for single-CPU miners (except when you have free power). Lately a lot of GPU miners have switched to pool because as blocks are taking long even for GPUs now.
681 2011-01-29 08:01:22 <mrb_> by the way how does slush handle rounding? he cannot round perfectly as the share almost never add up to exactly 50.00 BTC
682 2011-01-29 08:01:46 <mrb_> he must be rounding down. what is he doing with the remainder?
683 2011-01-29 08:01:54 <mrb_> shares*
684 2011-01-29 08:04:15 <tcatm> Maybe he keeps it?
685 2011-01-29 08:04:25 <tcatm> It's not much anyway
686 2011-01-29 08:06:08 <wumpus> well at least he gets something out of hosting the thing that way
687 2011-01-29 08:06:49 <wumpus> if it covers the bandwidth costs at all
688 2011-01-29 08:07:27 <wumpus> wow, haven't been watching the bc prices for a while, now they almost doubled
689 2011-01-29 08:07:29 <mrb_> tcatm: it is a lot actually. if he rounds down and has N users, then statistically speaking he gains N/200 BTC per block
690 2011-01-29 08:07:49 <mrb_> 50 users -> 0.25 BTC for him per block
691 2011-01-29 08:08:33 <tcatm> I used to set donation to 2% during the short time while running the pool so I think it's just fair he gets some coins from it
692 2011-01-29 08:08:38 <mrb_> his pool finds a block per hour. that's 6 BTC/day
693 2011-01-29 08:09:24 <tcatm> Great. That's enough to cover his server costs
694 2011-01-29 08:09:40 <mrb_> if he grows to 250 users, that's 1000 BTC / month.
695 2011-01-29 08:10:19 <mrb_> I think too it's fair for him to round down.
696 2011-01-29 08:10:54 <tcatm> Maybe I should start a pool. Looks like there's lot of Bitcoins to be made ;)
697 2011-01-29 08:12:11 <wumpus> could be a good idea to have some diversity in pools
698 2011-01-29 08:12:46 <lfm> slush carries over fractions of BTC to the next round. He only profits if you drop out
699 2011-01-29 08:13:16 <mrb_> ah.
700 2011-01-29 08:14:36 <wumpus> though it's hard to think of something that would give a competitive advantage in what is essentially a free service, slush's seems to work very well and I've heard very few complaints
701 2011-01-29 08:15:54 <tcatm> Maybe a very good management interface for multi GPU miners?
702 2011-01-29 08:16:44 <wumpus> yes a good management interface would be nice
703 2011-01-29 08:16:49 <theymos> I'd like a connected-mode pool. You get more BTC from those.
704 2011-01-29 08:17:32 <lfm> how do you figure?
705 2011-01-29 08:17:55 <theymos> Less people to split the BTC with.
706 2011-01-29 08:18:13 <lfm> more miners make more frequent rewards
707 2011-01-29 08:18:31 <echelon> is MT`AwAy around?
708 2011-01-29 08:19:03 <mrb_> bitcoin users are technical enough to recognize the importance of not having a pool monopoly. or else slush would be in control of the bitcoin block chain.
709 2011-01-29 08:19:26 <theymos> The blocks would be generated at the same speed. You just get a bit more BTC because people who aren't currently connected lose their shares.
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711 2011-01-29 08:20:39 <lfm> you get btc proportional to your partisipation same way either way
712 2011-01-29 08:21:37 <wumpus> mrb_: yes, at this moment they are technical and paranoid enough, but we can guess where things will be going when bitcoin becomes more popular :)
713 2011-01-29 08:22:53 <mrb_> yep. however for this reason I do think that in the short term the bitcoin network will evolve towards a stable oligopoly of either 2 or 3 pools
714 2011-01-29 08:23:31 <lfm> theymos ok, are you thinking you will be connected 24/7? either way you have the same avaerage probable reward
715 2011-01-29 08:24:26 <theymos> If I'm connected 24/7, then I get a higher reward because there are fewer "shares".
716 2011-01-29 08:25:00 <wumpus> mrb_: agreed
717 2011-01-29 08:25:32 <lfm> theymos ok lets say there are just two people, you and someone else with twice the power as you connected half the time? you think they will be different results?
718 2011-01-29 08:26:00 <lfm> in the slash type shares you each would get half, right?
719 2011-01-29 08:26:39 <theymos> That's not a realistic example. If a pool has 100,000 total hash/s and I contribute 10,000, then I will get 1/10th of the reward in connected mode. In contributed mode, I am guaranteed to get less in almost all cases because somewhat who was generated no longer is, and their share is not recovered.
720 2011-01-29 08:27:04 <theymos> someone who was generating*
721 2011-01-29 08:27:37 <lfm> theymos and they WILL be connected sometimes and you will get less then
722 2011-01-29 08:28:14 <lfm> your only looking at half the cases of the "connected" mode
723 2011-01-29 08:29:02 <theymos> I will be connected 24/7. If even one person who was generating is not when a block is found, then I will make more in connected mode than contributed mode.
724 2011-01-29 08:29:31 <lfm> but you make less if they ARE connected cuz they are more powerful
725 2011-01-29 08:30:00 <lfm> you get less when they ARE connected than you would in slush's system
726 2011-01-29 08:34:10 <lfm> and odds are those powerfull systems actually will be connected 24/9 too anyway
727 2011-01-29 08:34:18 <lfm> 24/7
728 2011-01-29 08:35:37 <jgarzik> man, bitcoin's JSON-RPC interface is trivial to DoS.
729 2011-01-29 08:35:56 <jgarzik> it's basically single-threaded, vis a vis multiple connections.
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732 2011-01-29 08:37:09 <theymos> lfm: I can't compete with 24/9! ;) I see what you're saying. I'm not sure how the statistics would turn out, though -- it seems the odds would roughly balance out. I just remember getting higher generations when I was on a connected pool.
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737 2011-01-29 08:39:51 <MT`AwAy> echelon: mh?
738 2011-01-29 08:40:30 <echelon> MT`AwAy, hey.. i'm not sure if i still have time to send in the payment
739 2011-01-29 08:40:44 <echelon> i have the funds, i just need to circulate it first
740 2011-01-29 08:41:39 <MT`AwAy> echelon: should be fine
741 2011-01-29 08:41:59 <echelon> ok, thanks
742 2011-01-29 08:42:04 <MT`AwAy> not sure using the "bitcoinlaundry" will change anything btw
743 2011-01-29 08:42:18 <echelon> i know, i stopped using it
744 2011-01-29 08:45:38 <MT`AwAy> http://ipv6.he.net/statistics/ <- I'm looking forward to "in 4 days"
745 2011-01-29 08:47:17 <lfm> theymos actually looking at it some more it seems you might be right. 24/7 miners have an advantage in connected mode
746 2011-01-29 08:47:42 <lfm> intermitant connections are punished
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748 2011-01-29 08:49:24 <jgarzik> connected mode is not based on shares completed?
749 2011-01-29 08:52:55 <npouillard> lg 24
750 2011-01-29 08:52:56 <theymos> Right. When a block is found, you get paid depending on your hash/s at the moment compared to the pool total. I'm still not sure which one would be more profitable... probably depends on who else is using it.
751 2011-01-29 08:52:58 <npouillard> oops
752 2011-01-29 08:54:04 <lfm> depends if you are planning to go 24/7 or not
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754 2011-01-29 09:02:55 <lfm> ah! I see an error in my annalysis. looks like theyre equal again. note that the more miners connected effects the odds of finding a block
755 2011-01-29 09:13:19 <theymos> MT`AwAy: You've worked with PHP sockets, right? Any idea why my JSON-RPC client occasionally takes a second or more to finish reading from the socket? It doesn't seem to be a problem with Bitcoin: using bitcoind as an RPC client shows much fewer such cases.
756 2011-01-29 09:14:34 <tcatm> theymos: Bug in bitcoind. I have the same problem sometimes.
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758 2011-01-29 09:16:28 <MT`AwAy> theymos: never had such problem
759 2011-01-29 09:16:40 <MT`AwAy> you send HTTP/1.0 requests ?
760 2011-01-29 09:16:52 <MT`AwAy> (for bitcoin RPC calls, I use curl)
761 2011-01-29 09:17:11 <theymos> I set 1.1 requests.
762 2011-01-29 09:17:19 <MT`AwAy> theymos: you handle keep alive?
763 2011-01-29 09:17:34 <theymos> I specify Connection: close
764 2011-01-29 09:17:48 <MT`AwAy> not sure bitcoind's http server is so compliant
765 2011-01-29 09:17:57 <MT`AwAy> I'd suggest you use the "Content-Length" header and only read up to the reply
766 2011-01-29 09:18:03 <MT`AwAy> (then close the socket immediatly)
767 2011-01-29 09:18:46 <theymos> Thanks; I will try that. It just started happening when I upgraded all my software, so I think something's behavior must have changed.
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775 2011-01-29 09:59:38 <joe_1> I get occasional fopen errors opening the json rpc socket for bitcoin -server. theymos/mt`away, have you ever seen these before?
776 2011-01-29 10:00:01 <echelon> woah.. Bitcoin Payment Address generation error! Daily limit exceeded!
777 2011-01-29 10:00:15 <MT`AwAy> joe_1: as I said, I use curl :)
778 2011-01-29 10:00:24 <MT`AwAy> echelon: wtf?
779 2011-01-29 10:00:30 <echelon> <3 curl :D
780 2011-01-29 10:00:37 <echelon> oh lol.. it's from mybitcoin
781 2011-01-29 10:00:44 <MT`AwAy> xD
782 2011-01-29 10:03:55 <theymos> I haven't had any problems opening the socket.
783 2011-01-29 10:11:58 <joe_1> i think it's a problem with php fopen or jsonrpcclient.
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786 2011-01-29 10:32:31 <molecular> ;;bt,calcd
787 2011-01-29 10:32:31 <gribble> Error: "bt,calcd" is not a valid command.
788 2011-01-29 10:32:37 <molecular> ;;bc;calcd
789 2011-01-29 10:32:38 <gribble> Error: "bc;calcd" is not a valid command.
790 2011-01-29 10:32:46 <molecular> ;;bc,calcd
791 2011-01-29 10:32:46 <gribble> (bc,calcd <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The average time to generate a block at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [time elapsed [math calc 1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256)]]".
792 2011-01-29 10:33:15 <molecular> ;;bc,calcd 620000,22012
793 2011-01-29 10:33:16 <gribble> (bc,calcd <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The average time to generate a block at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [time elapsed [math calc 1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256)]]".
794 2011-01-29 10:33:41 <molecular> ;;bc,calcd 620000 22012
795 2011-01-29 10:33:41 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 620000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 22012, is 1 day, 18 hours, 21 minutes, and 25 seconds
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799 2011-01-29 10:36:56 <molecular> the only thing that keeps me from mining solo is the fact that bitcoin will loose it's network connection after a while... connection count just goes to 0. I assume it's because my ip-address changes (dynamic ip). What do you guys do to avoid that problem?
800 2011-01-29 10:37:27 <tcatm> use a static IP
801 2011-01-29 10:38:12 <molecular> grrrr
802 2011-01-29 10:38:28 <molecular> could also try to fix bitcoin...
803 2011-01-29 10:38:41 <tcatm> actually bitcoin should reconnect in such a case
804 2011-01-29 10:38:50 <molecular> it doesn't, believe me
805 2011-01-29 10:38:58 <molecular> at least not on my system
806 2011-01-29 10:39:53 <molecular> just sits there with 0 connections. was at block 105101 when I got up 15 minutes ago. had to restart bitcoin.
807 2011-01-29 10:42:28 <theymos> ArtForz used to experience this issue. He modified his client to fix it.
808 2011-01-29 10:42:46 <molecular> yeah, talked to him about that before...
809 2011-01-29 10:43:15 <molecular> he didn't seem to be content enough with his fix to give it out
810 2011-01-29 10:43:40 <molecular> I suppose I could just poll connectioncount with a script and restart in case it's 0.
811 2011-01-29 10:44:09 <tcatm> can you create an issue on github?
812 2011-01-29 10:44:49 <molecular> ok
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816 2011-01-29 10:51:45 * molecular is trying to reproduce the connection loss issue
817 2011-01-29 10:51:51 <molecular> just forced to get a new ip
818 2011-01-29 10:52:34 <molecular> now the problem: how can I verify / falsify that bitcoin is connected? It still say "49 connection", but I don't trust these are actually "active"
819 2011-01-29 10:53:18 <molecular> hmm, I'll wait for the next block and see if that shows up
820 2011-01-29 10:53:19 <theymos> Wait to see whether you get the next block.
821 2011-01-29 10:55:22 <molecular> allright, I'm not getting 105156 with 47 connections
822 2011-01-29 10:55:34 <molecular> now I got a good reproduction description
823 2011-01-29 11:01:50 <molecular> if I now have a miner running connected to my "disconnected" bitcoin... it wont generate any valid block, will it?
824 2011-01-29 11:02:16 <theymos> Right.
825 2011-01-29 11:03:24 <molecular> this actually might happen to a lot of people. you wont even notice, the client still happily tells me "43 connections"
826 2011-01-29 11:03:57 <theymos> They'll eventually fail when Bitcoin pings them to see if they're still alive.
827 2011-01-29 11:04:03 <molecular> well, created an issue on github
828 2011-01-29 11:04:17 <joe_1> i'm on an old client and it only goes up to 8 connections. newer clients connect to more?
829 2011-01-29 11:04:28 <molecular> yeah, well, you'll loose a couple of hours of mining-time
830 2011-01-29 11:05:01 <molecular> joe_1, why not just update and find out?
831 2011-01-29 11:05:07 <theymos> Incoming connections are unlimited. You can also run with the -maxconnections=50 switch to force extra outgoing connections.
832 2011-01-29 11:05:15 <joe_1> i'm too scared it will break the rpc interface
833 2011-01-29 11:05:18 <molecular> if you're pre- 0.3.10 you should definitely update
834 2011-01-29 11:05:56 <molecular> break to rpc interface to what?
835 2011-01-29 11:06:08 <molecular> s/to/the
836 2011-01-29 11:06:10 <joe_1> i dont know.. getreceivedbyaddress, stuf like that
837 2011-01-29 11:06:17 <joe_1> has that code been touched
838 2011-01-29 11:06:19 <joe_1> i'm on 0.3.13
839 2011-01-29 11:06:21 <molecular> are you using that in your own code?
840 2011-01-29 11:06:28 <joe_1> yea
841 2011-01-29 11:06:28 <molecular> the rpc interface?
842 2011-01-29 11:07:20 <molecular> then you could probably easily fix that in case it breaks, right?
843 2011-01-29 11:07:54 <joe_1> yea but i just need to audit the work thats been done on the code
844 2011-01-29 11:08:26 <molecular> my client usually makes about 50 connections. don't know about older ones.
845 2011-01-29 11:11:31 <joe_1> if i'm in git hub, which bitcoin do i look at. gavinandreasen/bitcoin or bitcoin/bitcoin.
846 2011-01-29 11:11:42 <tcatm> bitcoin/bitcoin
847 2011-01-29 11:11:57 <molecular> ;seen btcex
848 2011-01-29 11:12:43 <Keefe> anyone know how many confirms bitcoincentral requires for btc deposits before balance becomes confirmed?
849 2011-01-29 11:12:55 <molecular> ;;lastseen btcex
850 2011-01-29 11:12:56 <gribble> Error: "lastseen" is not a valid command.
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853 2011-01-29 11:34:37 <joe_1> i probably should update
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856 2011-01-29 11:35:03 <joe_1> has anything gay been done to the client since 0.3.13? like useless features and bloating?
857 2011-01-29 11:36:29 <molecular> I'm not here long enought to tell
858 2011-01-29 11:37:00 <[Noodles]> the whole account-stuff was added in .16 (i think)
859 2011-01-29 11:37:51 <joe_1> will it break any of the RPC calls related to getting a new address?
860 2011-01-29 11:39:01 <tcatm> joe_1: how are you currently using the RPC?
861 2011-01-29 11:40:03 <joe_1> the getnewaddress call
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863 2011-01-29 11:41:07 <tcatm> should still work
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865 2011-01-29 11:48:32 <joe_1> ok
866 2011-01-29 11:50:02 <[Noodles]> afaik the only change in case of rpc-responds was, that sendtoaddress no longer returns "sent", but the tx-ID instead, correct me if i'm wrong
867 2011-01-29 11:51:20 <joe_1> ok that should be fine
868 2011-01-29 11:51:21 <tcatm> sendtoaddress shouldn't be used anymore
869 2011-01-29 11:51:26 <tcatm> use sendfrom
870 2011-01-29 11:52:07 <[Noodles]> well, if i don't use accounts, i can't use sendfrom
871 2011-01-29 11:52:34 <joe_1> wow
872 2011-01-29 11:52:39 <joe_1> that's really nice
873 2011-01-29 11:52:46 <joe_1> it allows you which coins to pay people with?
874 2011-01-29 11:53:32 <[Noodles]> its not "sendfrom address", its "sendfrom account"
875 2011-01-29 11:54:23 <[Noodles]> so i'd say no, it still sends 'random' coins
876 2011-01-29 11:55:08 <joe_1> oh
877 2011-01-29 11:55:55 <[Noodles]> but who am i? i havent really looked into accounting at all myself
878 2011-01-29 11:56:26 <joe_1> well it's not really an accounting question, more of a bitcoin transactional question
879 2011-01-29 11:56:31 <[Noodles]> still running a few .15-nodes
880 2011-01-29 11:57:05 <joe_1> cool
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882 2011-01-29 12:01:55 <wtfmate> Hello, could anyone possibly help out with trying to get poclbm.py working in Windows 64bit?
883 2011-01-29 12:02:35 <wtfmate> I got OpenCL drivers, Stream SDK 2.2, Python 2.6.6, scypy, numpy, all the Microsoft VS depends install
884 2011-01-29 12:03:21 <wtfmate> I get the following error.
885 2011-01-29 12:03:24 <wtfmate> Traceback (most recent call last): File "poclbm.py", line 33, in <module> myMiner = PoolMiner(platform, context, options.host, options.user, options.p assword, options.port, options.frames, options.rate, options.askrate, options.wo rksize, options.vectors) File "C:\Bitcoin\poclbm\PoolMiner.py", line 132, in __init__ self.miner = cl.Program(self.context, kernelFile.read()).build(defines) File "C:\Python26\lib\site-pac
886 2011-01-29 12:04:00 <sipa> your error got cut off
887 2011-01-29 12:04:13 <sipa> use pastebin or so maybe
888 2011-01-29 12:04:17 <wtfmate> pyopencl.RuntimeError: clBuildProgram failed: build program failure Build on <pyopencl.Device 'Juniper ' at 0x2d59ce8>: Error: Compilation from LLVMIR binary to IL text failed!
889 2011-01-29 12:04:52 <tcatm> Try SDK 2.1
890 2011-01-29 12:04:57 <wtfmate> I had this working on my box last week, then the PS went south and took my MB and Video card too :(
891 2011-01-29 12:05:17 <wtfmate> Now I'm starting over, and for the life of me I can't find the web page that had the intructions.
892 2011-01-29 12:05:36 <wtfmate> And http://www.newslobster.com/random/how-to-get-started-using-your-gpu-to-mine-for-bitcoins-on-windows is not what I'm looking for.
893 2011-01-29 12:06:02 <wtfmate> I just want poclbm.py to run...that's all.
894 2011-01-29 12:06:27 <wtfmate> I guess SDK 2.1 is worth a shot
895 2011-01-29 12:06:41 <wtfmate> one min and I'll let ya know how that works.
896 2011-01-29 12:09:57 <Keefe> wtfmate: what psu model?
897 2011-01-29 12:11:22 <wtfmate> Rosewill RV2-700
898 2011-01-29 12:16:55 <joe_1> looks like the sendfrom does not hand pick coins from the account you specify. it just sees whether that account balance is sufficient, updates the balance, then issues a send as if you used the regular sendtoaddress function.
899 2011-01-29 12:20:22 <Keefe> so it acts as a mini laundry between your accounts :D
900 2011-01-29 12:20:50 <Keefe> j/k
901 2011-01-29 12:21:25 <wtfmate> ok, new error
902 2011-01-29 12:21:29 <wtfmate> File "poclbm.py", line 3, in <module> import pyopencl as cl File "C:\Python26\lib\site-packages\pyopencl-0.92-py2.6-win32.egg\pyopencl\__i nit__.py", line 3, in <module> import pyopencl._cl as _cl ImportError: DLL load failed: The specified procedure could not be found.
903 2011-01-29 12:24:21 <wtfmate> And now the pre-compiled poclbm.exe doesn't work with 2.1....great
904 2011-01-29 12:24:25 <wtfmate> back to 2.2
905 2011-01-29 12:24:29 <wtfmate> :(
906 2011-01-29 12:25:13 <wtfmate> This shit works in Linux no problem...but god forbid Windows 7 ever work for Devel shit.
907 2011-01-29 12:36:55 <joe_1> haha
908 2011-01-29 12:37:25 <joe_1> windows 7 and development in the same sentence makes me sick to my stomach
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910 2011-01-29 12:37:57 <necrodearia> I convinced Stefan Molyneux to reconsider bitcoin. It may be interesting if a bitcoin user, someone very knowledgeable, were to call in and do a show with him, discussing bitcoin in a style of discussion similar to Stefan's existing style.
911 2011-01-29 12:39:44 <noagendamarket> hmm
912 2011-01-29 12:48:08 <joe_1> who is stefan molyneux
913 2011-01-29 13:14:24 <OneFixt> necrodearia: great job!
914 2011-01-29 13:15:06 <necrodearia> joe_1, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=stefan+molyneux
915 2011-01-29 13:21:30 <joe_1> thanks for googling that for me. yes it was too hard for me to do it myself.
916 2011-01-29 13:22:36 <joe_1> he's a radio host
917 2011-01-29 13:23:47 <joe_1> for freedomain radio: "Powerful ideas for all lovers of personal and political freedom"
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924 2011-01-29 13:58:14 <echelon> joe_1, you listen to freedomain? :)
925 2011-01-29 13:59:10 <echelon> i guess i shouldn't be surprised by the presence of libertarians in here
926 2011-01-29 14:01:06 <joe_1> no i havent listened to it before but it seems ok looking att the website
927 2011-01-29 14:05:13 <echelon> i'm not a regular listener, the guy seems to ramble on and on
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932 2011-01-29 14:31:05 <tcatm> I remember using a RPC getblock but I can't find it anymore. Anyone know where the patch is?
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941 2011-01-29 15:11:26 <luke-jr> tcatm: when you find it, someone should merge it into mainline? :P
942 2011-01-29 15:12:11 <luke-jr> https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=724.0
943 2011-01-29 15:14:28 <tcatm> that one does only getbyheight
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948 2011-01-29 15:25:12 <jgarzik> tcatm: what do you need?
949 2011-01-29 15:25:29 <jgarzik> tcatm: getblockbyhash ?
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951 2011-01-29 15:26:02 <tcatm> yep but I already ported code to work with -bycount. Currently syncing database to see if it works
952 2011-01-29 15:29:02 <jgarzik> tcatm: still interested in outside work? I need a skeleton website w/ user account system. Users must be able to register (requires BTC or free coupon code), verify registration via emailed link, login, deposit bitcoins, withdraw bitcoins, and be charged a monthly fee in BTC.
953 2011-01-29 15:29:36 <jgarzik> python, JS, HTML, CSS
954 2011-01-29 15:30:29 * jgarzik was thinking about django, if not plain python.
955 2011-01-29 15:31:06 <tcatm> Yep, django should be a good framework for the task and I have some experience with it (bitcoincharts)
956 2011-01-29 15:33:37 * luke-jr wonders wtf is wrong with people on the forum -.-
957 2011-01-29 15:34:24 <jgarzik> gotta go monitor baby. lemme know if you're interested via email or PM or something.
958 2011-01-29 15:34:34 <tcatm> k
959 2011-01-29 15:35:35 <Cusipzzz> luke-jr: ?
960 2011-01-29 15:35:58 <luke-jr> Cusipzzz: so far, most of the votes in the poll are *opposing* a solution, rather than voting for either solution (or both)
961 2011-01-29 15:36:20 <Cusipzzz> oh...haven't voted yet. ;)
962 2011-01-29 15:37:10 <luke-jr> yeah, only 6 votes so far
963 2011-01-29 15:37:18 <luke-jr> but still, sad 3 of them are just opposed to fixing the problem
964 2011-01-29 15:37:28 <luke-jr> I am curious about the "Other" with no explanation tho
965 2011-01-29 15:37:46 <Cusipzzz> drunk forum browsing imo
966 2011-01-29 15:38:21 <luke-jr> lol
967 2011-01-29 15:38:49 <luke-jr> originally, I was "Both", but considering the possible floating-point problems, changed to RPC v1 only
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970 2011-01-29 15:42:23 <luke-jr> Cusipzzz: I think some people might need a bump to realize bitcoin is big enough that everyone involved does *not* share a common set of ideal/reasons for involvement, and they can't just assume only their needs/wants are relevant.
971 2011-01-29 15:43:10 <luke-jr> eg, I think at least some of those 3 anti-fix votes were simply because it would 'help' TBC. Actively trying to stifle innovation.
972 2011-01-29 15:43:37 <Cusipzzz> perhaps. some people are resistant to change.
973 2011-01-29 15:44:29 <luke-jr> it's ironic, since BitCoin itself is in general a revolution on par with Tonal
974 2011-01-29 15:44:51 <luke-jr> would think people involved would be more open to change
975 2011-01-29 15:45:56 <EvanR> Cusipzzz: 8BTC so far
976 2011-01-29 15:46:14 <Cusipzzz> EvanR: nice..hashrate?
977 2011-01-29 15:46:37 <EvanR> about 520 530, i bumped the overclock
978 2011-01-29 15:46:44 <Cusipzzz> cool, grats
979 2011-01-29 15:46:54 <EvanR> maybe a different miner will get more
980 2011-01-29 15:47:21 <Keefe> should try. should get more like 630
981 2011-01-29 15:47:49 <tcatm> luke-jr: It's not an easy problem. I think the only solution is to change to raw integers, but that would break every application assuming x*10^8 for all RPC amounts.
982 2011-01-29 15:48:09 <Keefe> maybe as high as 660mhps at 860mhz
983 2011-01-29 15:48:39 <EvanR> so the python thing is the alternative eh
984 2011-01-29 15:48:49 <Keefe> the only other public one i know of
985 2011-01-29 15:50:50 <Cusipzzz> Other might be "get off my lawn" :)
986 2011-01-29 15:52:54 <EvanR> -w 128 got me about 560
987 2011-01-29 15:53:04 <luke-jr> tcatm: no, it is fully backward compatible
988 2011-01-29 15:53:08 <hacim> EvanR: damn you passed me
989 2011-01-29 15:53:21 <tcatm> luke-jr: where's the diff?
990 2011-01-29 15:53:22 <luke-jr> tcatm: integers are only used, when -rpcversion=1 is specified
991 2011-01-29 15:53:24 <hacim> EvanR: i started on the pool maybe three hours before you did
992 2011-01-29 15:53:35 <EvanR> whats your rate?
993 2011-01-29 15:53:39 <hacim> oh wait, I've got 10btc
994 2011-01-29 15:53:58 <hacim> about 340
995 2011-01-29 15:54:07 <luke-jr> tcatm: when unspecified, or -rpcversion=0, it uses the floats
996 2011-01-29 15:54:10 <hacim> but thats because I dont have a 5970
997 2011-01-29 15:54:57 <tcatm> luke-jr: In such an early state we shouldn't have multiple RPC verions.
998 2011-01-29 15:55:17 <luke-jr> tcatm: maybe, if the RPC API was designed properly at the start
999 2011-01-29 15:55:41 <tcatm> We can still change it (and I think we should).
1000 2011-01-29 15:56:04 <luke-jr> there is enough software already, that backward-compatibility is necessary for now
1001 2011-01-29 15:56:08 <tcatm> Maybe a good point would be from 0.3 -> 0.4?
1002 2011-01-29 15:56:13 <luke-jr> we can delete version 0 support in a year or two
1003 2011-01-29 15:57:25 <tcatm> Then people might still use version 0
1004 2011-01-29 15:57:55 <luke-jr> nah, just announce it in advance
1005 2011-01-29 15:58:07 <tcatm> That doesn't work :P
1006 2011-01-29 15:58:10 <EvanR> hacim: shouldnt be long before i do pass you xD
1007 2011-01-29 15:58:14 <luke-jr> "RPC v1 added. In 6 months, it will become default. In a year, RPC v0 will be removed."
1008 2011-01-29 15:58:31 <luke-jr> tcatm: sure it does :P
1009 2011-01-29 15:58:56 <luke-jr> "immediate: all new code should use v1; within a year, all existing code must be migrated to v1"
1010 2011-01-29 15:58:58 <hacim> EvanR: how long as your process been running?
1011 2011-01-29 15:59:21 <luke-jr> "
1012 2011-01-29 15:59:26 <tcatm> I'd prefer something like switching to full precision integers and outputting errors for inputs < 10000 for a few months
1013 2011-01-29 15:59:31 <hacim> EvanR: looks like I started mine at 16:49:15 yesterday
1014 2011-01-29 15:59:35 <luke-jr> "within 6 months, you should know where you have problems upgrading"
1015 2011-01-29 15:59:59 <luke-jr> tcatm: sure, the timespans can be adjusted. just saying for example
1016 2011-01-29 16:00:01 <EvanR> hacim: about 11pm yesterday
1017 2011-01-29 16:00:17 <luke-jr> maybe give 1 month before default, then another before removal
1018 2011-01-29 16:00:27 <tcatm> hm
1019 2011-01-29 16:00:49 <luke-jr> 1. begin writing v1 code; 2. migrate all code that migrated w/o problems; 3. migrate all remaining code that needed bugfixes to v1
1020 2011-01-29 16:01:16 <hacim> EvanR: ps ax -opid,lstart,cmd | grep whatever
1021 2011-01-29 16:01:21 <luke-jr> so there's a 1 month migration window plus another month spare in case there are problems in the first month
1022 2011-01-29 16:01:25 <hacim> lstart is awesome
1023 2011-01-29 16:01:33 <EvanR> i just restart the miner
1024 2011-01-29 16:01:41 <EvanR> to try different w sizes
1025 2011-01-29 16:01:42 <hacim> so much better than seeing just the date from the previous day
1026 2011-01-29 16:02:00 <hacim> keep restarting it so you will never catch up ;)
1027 2011-01-29 16:02:09 <ArtForzZz> then again, whats the fucking point? bitcoin vales can and are represented exactly in a double
1028 2011-01-29 16:02:29 <luke-jr> tcatm: in practice, I would suggest 0.4 change the default, and 0.5 remove v0
1029 2011-01-29 16:02:31 <EvanR> i had like 4800 blocks found or something
1030 2011-01-29 16:02:39 <hacim> EvanR: i've got 704 shares for the current block
1031 2011-01-29 16:02:49 <luke-jr> ArtForzZz: not decimal bitcoin values
1032 2011-01-29 16:02:51 <hacim> EvanR: i think you mean shares
1033 2011-01-29 16:02:55 <ArtForzZz> yes
1034 2011-01-29 16:02:58 <EvanR> 928
1035 2011-01-29 16:03:17 <luke-jr> ArtForzZz: no matter how precise, a binary floating-point number cannot represent 0.1
1036 2011-01-29 16:03:18 <EvanR> hacim: yeah 4800 shares not resetting
1037 2011-01-29 16:03:33 <hacim> EvanR: i'm not getting the rpc issues I was yesterday, are you?
1038 2011-01-29 16:03:34 <ArtForzZz> luke-jr: luckily we don't need infitite precision, 8 decomal places is fine
1039 2011-01-29 16:03:41 <EvanR> hacim: rpc issues?
1040 2011-01-29 16:04:08 <luke-jr> ArtForzZz: even if we had infinite precision, it still couldn't do 0.1
1041 2011-01-29 16:04:16 <luke-jr> 0.1 is an irrational number in binary
1042 2011-01-29 16:04:20 <hacim> EvanR: my client was periodically having trouble connecting to getwork
1043 2011-01-29 16:04:21 <EvanR> no it isnt
1044 2011-01-29 16:04:28 <EvanR> 0.1 is rational regardless of how you write it down
1045 2011-01-29 16:04:29 <luke-jr> EvanR: no?
1046 2011-01-29 16:04:33 <luke-jr> â¦
1047 2011-01-29 16:04:35 <ArtForzZz> with infinite precision you could represent it exactly
1048 2011-01-29 16:04:48 <EvanR> your campaign about tonal is about *notation* for writing numbers, not changing the numbers
1049 2011-01-29 16:05:16 <ArtForzZz> same way 0.9periodic == 1
1050 2011-01-29 16:05:18 <luke-jr> 0.1 in binary is 0.0011001100â¦
1051 2011-01-29 16:05:22 <ArtForzZz> so?
1052 2011-01-29 16:05:44 <EvanR> hacim: mine too, its still happening
1053 2011-01-29 16:05:54 <ArtForzZz> anyways, whats that have to fucking do with anything
1054 2011-01-29 16:06:01 <EvanR> luke-jr: the repeating pattern makes it rational
1055 2011-01-29 16:06:07 <hacim> EvanR: I think that slows us down
1056 2011-01-29 16:06:12 <EvanR> me too
1057 2011-01-29 16:06:15 <ArtForzZz> again, we don't have to represent any possible number
1058 2011-01-29 16:06:29 <ArtForzZz> 0-21M to 8 decimal places is enough
1059 2011-01-29 16:06:38 <ArtForzZz> and surprise - a double is plenty for that
1060 2011-01-29 16:06:40 <luke-jr> yawn
1061 2011-01-29 16:06:50 <EvanR> hacim: i noticed my hash rate drop when it failed to connect several times
1062 2011-01-29 16:07:03 <ArtForzZz> so again, whats the fucking point?
1063 2011-01-29 16:07:30 <hacim> EvanR: AOL
1064 2011-01-29 16:07:30 <luke-jr> ArtForzZz: efficiency and unit-neutral
1065 2011-01-29 16:07:42 <EvanR> america online?
1066 2011-01-29 16:07:45 <Cusipzzz> why are you in the pool and deal with those errors/network issues/pool issues when you have enough hash to run your own ?
1067 2011-01-29 16:07:48 <luke-jr> RPC v0 is inherently biased to decimal bitcoins
1068 2011-01-29 16:08:00 <ArtForzZz> boo. fucking. hoo
1069 2011-01-29 16:08:03 <Cusipzzz> lol
1070 2011-01-29 16:08:13 <hacim> EvanR: its another way of saying "me too" because of how AOL users would always reply to threads on usenet just to say that
1071 2011-01-29 16:08:33 <EvanR> bets on how long luke-jr's bias away from decimal is tolerated before he is publically ridiculed on a consistent basis
1072 2011-01-29 16:08:35 <ArtForzZz> so write a frontend to convert it to tonal or base-e for users
1073 2011-01-29 16:08:40 <hacim> EvanR: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me_too
1074 2011-01-29 16:09:01 <Cusipzzz> EvanR: why pool? you'll get your own blocks in ~2 days
1075 2011-01-29 16:09:04 <hacim> Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
1076 2011-01-29 16:09:13 <hacim> i can *hear* when its happening, because my fan slows down
1077 2011-01-29 16:09:48 <EvanR> hacim: interesting
1078 2011-01-29 16:09:52 <Cusipzzz> makes no sense unless your mine rwill be on and off a lot...just reduces variance at the cost of some overhead
1079 2011-01-29 16:10:00 <hacim> Cusipzzz: i ran my 5870 for 6 days without a block
1080 2011-01-29 16:10:27 <EvanR> Cusipzzz: right not because i couldnt be arsed to set up any more shit last night
1081 2011-01-29 16:10:27 <Cusipzzz> don't fear variance...keep running it, will even out
1082 2011-01-29 16:10:30 <EvanR> now*
1083 2011-01-29 16:10:35 <Cusipzzz> lol
1084 2011-01-29 16:10:52 <EvanR> also im losing 2% to donations ;)
1085 2011-01-29 16:11:08 <Cusipzzz> i'd be more worried about network overhead and pool errors
1086 2011-01-29 16:11:15 <EvanR> pool errors?
1087 2011-01-29 16:11:24 <hacim> Cusipzzz: yeah, except there was a bug in m0n's miner which made it not find blocks, and I didn't know about it for 6 days
1088 2011-01-29 16:11:24 <Cusipzzz> you went to the trouble to get a rig going, might as well max the efficiency
1089 2011-01-29 16:11:55 <EvanR> Cusipzzz: well im having trouble getting bitcoin itself to run on the miner
1090 2011-01-29 16:11:55 <hacim> and then it was fixed, and now I'm gunshy
1091 2011-01-29 16:12:06 <EvanR> ./bitcoin never shows a gui
1092 2011-01-29 16:12:14 <hacim> EvanR: run the cli?
1093 2011-01-29 16:12:21 <Cusipzzz> uhh, just bitcoind
1094 2011-01-29 16:12:21 <EvanR> alright, but wtf?
1095 2011-01-29 16:12:33 <Cusipzzz> gui sucks anyway :)
1096 2011-01-29 16:12:33 <hacim> i haven't even seen the gui yet heh
1097 2011-01-29 16:12:57 <EvanR> the command line client has been bitchy to me
1098 2011-01-29 16:13:03 <Cusipzzz> lol
1099 2011-01-29 16:13:12 <EvanR> documentation, missing commands etc
1100 2011-01-29 16:13:30 <Cusipzzz> EvanR: wiki
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1102 2011-01-29 16:14:05 <luke-jr> EvanR: I didn't suggest making it Tonal bias. ;)
1103 2011-01-29 16:14:12 <luke-jr> EvanR: base units are neutral
1104 2011-01-29 16:14:32 <EvanR> luke-jr you dont make any sense, sorry
1105 2011-01-29 16:14:51 <Cusipzzz> last thing we need is unit-confusion, though. non nerds have a hard enough time graspingBTCs as it is
1106 2011-01-29 16:15:03 <luke-jr> EvanR: lack of bias != bias against
1107 2011-01-29 16:15:19 <EvanR> now youre just trolling
1108 2011-01-29 16:15:25 <luke-jr> â¦
1109 2011-01-29 16:15:42 <hacim> â¸
1110 2011-01-29 16:15:49 <luke-jr> EvanR: base units are significant to both decimal and tonal bitcoins
1111 2011-01-29 16:15:58 <EvanR> Cusipzzz: guess ill unplug my miner and watch the pool take a 500M hit xD
1112 2011-01-29 16:16:26 <Cusipzzz> EvanR: will be better for you in the long run, just sayin
1113 2011-01-29 16:16:29 <hacim> moar shares for me
1114 2011-01-29 16:16:30 <EvanR> units and radices are a gui thing, nothing else
1115 2011-01-29 16:16:48 <luke-jr> EvanR: I agree, that's why the underlying tech should be neutral to it all
1116 2011-01-29 16:16:56 <EvanR> it cant be
1117 2011-01-29 16:17:06 <luke-jr> it can be, as spec'd in RPC v1
1118 2011-01-29 16:17:28 <EvanR> the machine must always have some concrete representation, what you mean is to have it be separated from the gui
1119 2011-01-29 16:17:58 <EvanR> theres nothing neutral about twos complement or ieee floating point
1120 2011-01-29 16:18:05 <EvanR> or whatever integer rep
1121 2011-01-29 16:18:07 <hacim> EvanR: tried m0n's miner yet?
1122 2011-01-29 16:18:14 <luke-jr> EvanR: the concrete representation of base units is inherent in the bitcoin system at the lowest level. this representation is neutral to decimal and tonal bitcoins, and equally represents both.
1123 2011-01-29 16:18:22 <EvanR> hacim: looks like a lot of work to set up
1124 2011-01-29 16:18:34 <hacim> i got higher hash rates with that one over the java one (also the cpu wasn't pegged by java all the time)
1125 2011-01-29 16:18:36 <EvanR> luke-jr: who cares about the implementation just make a gui
1126 2011-01-29 16:18:39 <hacim> EvanR: its pretty easy actually
1127 2011-01-29 16:18:48 <EvanR> 'i want it to look a certain way so change the lowest level machinery'
1128 2011-01-29 16:18:51 <hacim> git clone, pull the python lib and you are done
1129 2011-01-29 16:19:14 <luke-jr> EvanR: nothing to do with how it looks. the lowest level is already fine.
1130 2011-01-29 16:19:22 <luke-jr> it's just the middle-ware which limits usability
1131 2011-01-29 16:19:25 <EvanR> good then youre done
1132 2011-01-29 16:19:46 <EvanR> hacim: clone one python lib and im done?
1133 2011-01-29 16:19:46 <luke-jr> the RPC layer currently cannot represent TBC at all
1134 2011-01-29 16:19:58 <ArtForzZz> and yes, round-to-0.01 for RPC interface is fucking stupid
1135 2011-01-29 16:19:59 <EvanR> why is the rpc layer representing TBC at all
1136 2011-01-29 16:20:25 <luke-jr> EvanR: to use TBC, the RPC layer needs to represent it in some form or another
1137 2011-01-29 16:20:32 <hacim> EvanR: clone m0n's git repo, and then install the python lib
1138 2011-01-29 16:20:46 <hacim> i presume you have python already
1139 2011-01-29 16:20:55 <EvanR> it literally says a string a glyphs on the gui, so you want to stuff that into the rpc
1140 2011-01-29 16:21:02 <ArtForzZz> mno
1141 2011-01-29 16:21:04 <luke-jr> EvanR: no.
1142 2011-01-29 16:21:17 <EvanR> hacim: i have python
1143 2011-01-29 16:21:17 <ArtForzZz> the problem is rpc rounds to 0.01 BTC for sendto
1144 2011-01-29 16:21:28 <luke-jr> EvanR: the RPC *cannot* represent 0.009 BTC, either
1145 2011-01-29 16:21:31 <EvanR> fixing that doesnt seem to be related to TBC
1146 2011-01-29 16:21:46 <luke-jr> EvanR: it's not, but TBC benefits from it.
1147 2011-01-29 16:21:55 <EvanR> parallel discussions
1148 2011-01-29 16:22:07 <ArtForzZz> iirc we already use full 8-digit precision for outputting stuff
1149 2011-01-29 16:22:09 <luke-jr> TBC support is one thing this bug affects
1150 2011-01-29 16:22:30 <luke-jr> but the bug is not directly related to TBC
1151 2011-01-29 16:22:54 <Cusipzzz> luke-jr: agree, but people will vote against ya because they want no part of TBC ;)
1152 2011-01-29 16:23:19 <luke-jr> Cusipzzz: yeah, people opposed to progress-- how'd they get into the bitcoin community? :P
1153 2011-01-29 16:23:23 <ArtForzZz> ./bitcoind getbalance
1154 2011-01-29 16:23:23 <ArtForzZz> 41050.70669102
1155 2011-01-29 16:23:32 <luke-jr> also, BTC itself will need to be adjusted at some point
1156 2011-01-29 16:23:38 <ArtForzZz> wgy?
1157 2011-01-29 16:23:40 <luke-jr> because it's simply too big for any real-world adoption
1158 2011-01-29 16:23:41 <ArtForzZz> *why?
1159 2011-01-29 16:24:00 <luke-jr> 1 of 21 million is too big if the system ever gets any adoption
1160 2011-01-29 16:24:11 <luke-jr> there's billions of people
1161 2011-01-29 16:24:26 <ArtForzZz> so?
1162 2011-01-29 16:24:29 <luke-jr> with the current size of BTC, 1 BTC would be the equivalent of a millionaire
1163 2011-01-29 16:24:37 <EvanR> that assumes something about prices in the far future
1164 2011-01-29 16:24:38 <luke-jr> on a global scale
1165 2011-01-29 16:24:44 <ArtForzZz> total money in circulation != total value of economy
1166 2011-01-29 16:24:53 <luke-jr> EvanR: it's a necessary assumption, if bitcoin is adopted
1167 2011-01-29 16:25:05 <EvanR> necessary assumption, interesting
1168 2011-01-29 16:25:16 <luke-jr> if 21 million people ever use bitcoin, that's 1 per person
1169 2011-01-29 16:25:17 <Cusipzzz> at that point we'll be using all decimal digits
1170 2011-01-29 16:25:22 <ArtForzZz> "because I said so."
1171 2011-01-29 16:25:22 <luke-jr> they would need to have significant value
1172 2011-01-29 16:25:51 <luke-jr> Cusipzzz: exactly. what sense will the RPC v0 interface have then? :P
1173 2011-01-29 16:25:54 <ArtForzZz> wow, lucky we still have 6 orders of magnitude precision left
1174 2011-01-29 16:26:31 <xelister> but rules need to be changed about the minimum 0.01 transfer cost
1175 2011-01-29 16:26:34 <luke-jr> decimal bitcoin will be rebased on 10-1000 base units, etc
1176 2011-01-29 16:26:41 <Cusipzzz> luke-jr: i'm not against it, and it will be fixed eventually. just saying that your preaching of TBC like jesus carrying the cross is not helping your cause ;)
1177 2011-01-29 16:26:45 <ArtForzZz> erm... probably not
1178 2011-01-29 16:26:51 <luke-jr> and to say 1 BTC, you'll have to RPC a value of 0.000001
1179 2011-01-29 16:26:54 <EvanR> luke-jr: it might be displayed differently
1180 2011-01-29 16:27:10 <ArtForzZz> no, to say 1 btc you'll have a rpc value of 1.0
1181 2011-01-29 16:27:18 <EvanR> Cusipzzz: thats not a very good analog, look at jesus xD
1182 2011-01-29 16:27:23 <luke-jr> Cusipzzz: TBC is the entire purpose of BitCoin, to me. ;)
1183 2011-01-29 16:27:36 <xelister> wtf is tbc
1184 2011-01-29 16:27:40 <EvanR> lol
1185 2011-01-29 16:27:47 <Cusipzzz> luke-jr: and that turns a lot of people off, so you might as well go away now :)
1186 2011-01-29 16:28:03 <luke-jr> xelister: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Tonal_BitCoin
1187 2011-01-29 16:28:24 <EvanR> hacim: ok i have the git repo
1188 2011-01-29 16:28:28 <EvanR> which python lib is it?
1189 2011-01-29 16:28:39 <luke-jr> Cusipzzz: and invent a clone of bitcoin for TBC, that can't easily be converted for those who prefer decimal? :P
1190 2011-01-29 16:28:41 <xelister> "BitCoin-bong "
1191 2011-01-29 16:28:43 <xelister> WHAT THE FUCK
1192 2011-01-29 16:28:52 <EvanR> hahaha
1193 2011-01-29 16:29:10 <Cusipzzz> luke-jr: go ahead, create your own,and see who adopts!
1194 2011-01-29 16:29:20 <luke-jr> Cusipzzz: better to do it this way, so adoption can be gradual
1195 2011-01-29 16:29:26 <xelister> did someone smoked the bong while designing this??
1196 2011-01-29 16:29:44 <Cusipzzz> people don't want to adopt, you need to see that reality at some point :)
1197 2011-01-29 16:29:53 <luke-jr> xelister: I doubt a notable genius was smoking much
1198 2011-01-29 16:30:03 <ArtForzZz> I see a problem with rounding sendto to 0.01 in the future, which is a 1-line change
1199 2011-01-29 16:30:14 <luke-jr> Cusipzzz: most people don't want to adopt bitcoin, either. ;)
1200 2011-01-29 16:30:35 <ArtForzZz> it already uses full to-base-unit precision for returning stuff
1201 2011-01-29 16:30:51 <Cusipzzz> ArtForzZz: exactly, and that will be fixed. but creating multiple unit-notation scheme friendly BTC to create even more confusion, don't see it
1202 2011-01-29 16:30:58 <ArtForzZz> yep
1203 2011-01-29 16:31:00 <ArtForzZz> same here
1204 2011-01-29 16:31:49 <ArtForzZz> just change the sendto rounding and "dust spam" min amount when BTC value increases by another order of magnitude or so
1205 2011-01-29 16:31:55 <luke-jr> using a biased unit for implementation is just bad design
1206 2011-01-29 16:32:17 <ArtForzZz> actually those 2 are somewhat independent
1207 2011-01-29 16:32:51 <ArtForzZz> my fork does full-precision sendto since r153 or so
1208 2011-01-29 16:32:54 <Cusipzzz> if the biased unit leads to consistency and prevents confusion - that works for most users :)
1209 2011-01-29 16:33:04 <luke-jr> Cusipzzz: it doesn't.
1210 2011-01-29 16:33:13 <Cusipzzz> well, need to fix the round, obv
1211 2011-01-29 16:33:44 <hacim> EvanR: sorry, was cooking breakfast
1212 2011-01-29 16:33:54 <luke-jr> it's like a store sticking to USD and refusing to accept bitcoin unless you convert it first
1213 2011-01-29 16:34:04 <ArtForzZz> no, not at all
1214 2011-01-29 16:34:23 <hacim> EvanR: you need pyopencl, and you should check out this library directly into the m0m source dir: svn checkout http://svn.json-rpc.org/trunk/python-jsonrpc
1215 2011-01-29 16:34:49 <hacim> EvanR: once you svn check that out, cd python-jsonrpc; sudo python setup.py install
1216 2011-01-29 16:35:19 <hacim> (sorry I said one library before, looks like its two... on debian one of those is packaged)
1217 2011-01-29 16:35:19 <EvanR> im cloning pyopencl now
1218 2011-01-29 16:36:59 <hacim> actually I dont recall if pyopencl is needed, or if that was needed when I had the nvidia card
1219 2011-01-29 16:38:09 <EvanR> i tried to run the miner and it said no module found
1220 2011-01-29 16:38:11 <EvanR> so i do
1221 2011-01-29 16:38:27 <hacim> ah
1222 2011-01-29 16:38:37 <hacim> oh you also need to set your environment variables
1223 2011-01-29 16:38:43 <EvanR> fun
1224 2011-01-29 16:38:55 <EvanR> the ubuntu guide didnt say anything about those
1225 2011-01-29 16:39:19 <hacim> maybe they aren't needed if you installed the SDK correctly
1226 2011-01-29 16:39:21 <hacim> i probably didn't
1227 2011-01-29 16:39:28 <hacim> i just put it in my home directory
1228 2011-01-29 16:39:57 <ArtForzZz> unless your distro is really weird, you always need the env vars for ati sdk
1229 2011-01-29 16:40:13 <hacim> ah ok
1230 2011-01-29 16:40:31 <EvanR> i already have the ati sdk
1231 2011-01-29 16:40:36 <hacim> ArtForzZz: both the LD_LIBRARY_PATH and the ATISTREAMSDKROOT
1232 2011-01-29 16:40:45 <ArtForzZz> *for compiling stuff against the ati sdk
1233 2011-01-29 16:40:46 <EvanR> i did not set ATISTREAMSDKROOT
1234 2011-01-29 16:40:54 <ArtForzZz> nope, I dont need LD_LIBRARY_PATH
1235 2011-01-29 16:41:12 <hacim> ah ok. i set them all and everything worked, so I wasn't sure which was needed and which was not
1236 2011-01-29 16:41:18 <hacim> I think I even set ATISTREAMSDKSAMPLESROOT which is not really needed
1237 2011-01-29 16:41:19 <ArtForzZz> well, I actually added it to my syswide lib path
1238 2011-01-29 16:41:20 <EvanR> diablo miner works without ATI... but i needed LD_LIBRARY_PAH
1239 2011-01-29 16:41:59 <luke-jr> xelister: fwiw, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_W._Nystrom
1240 2011-01-29 16:42:04 <ArtForzZz> you need at least libatiocl32/64.so and libOpenCL.so in lib path
1241 2011-01-29 16:42:40 <hacim> and you need to convert to tonal
1242 2011-01-29 16:42:57 <luke-jr> hacim: ?
1243 2011-01-29 16:43:01 <hacim> just kidding!
1244 2011-01-29 16:43:12 <EvanR> building pyopencl failed, CL/cl.h not found
1245 2011-01-29 16:43:17 * hacim wonders if luke-jr has the word 'tonal' on highlight
1246 2011-01-29 16:43:30 * luke-jr is hereâ¦
1247 2011-01-29 16:43:39 <ArtForzZz> you forgot setting sdk root var
1248 2011-01-29 16:43:43 <EvanR> ok
1249 2011-01-29 16:44:04 <hacim> yeah
1250 2011-01-29 16:44:10 <hacim> CL/cl.h is contained within the sdk
1251 2011-01-29 16:44:21 <hacim> ie. ./ati-stream-sdk-v2.3-lnx64/include/CL/cl.h
1252 2011-01-29 16:44:34 <EvanR> k what does it need to be set to
1253 2011-01-29 16:44:49 <EvanR> i have /home/evan/ati-stream-.../ and it still didnt work
1254 2011-01-29 16:44:50 <hacim> export ATISTREAMSDKROOT=/path/to/ati-stream-sdk-v2.3-lnx64
1255 2011-01-29 16:44:58 <ArtForzZz> yep, to whatever dir you extracted it to
1256 2011-01-29 16:45:29 <EvanR> no dice
1257 2011-01-29 16:45:55 <EvanR> maybe i need to run configure again
1258 2011-01-29 16:46:02 <hacim> yeah
1259 2011-01-29 16:46:19 * hacim surprised configured didn't error out when it couldn't find cl.h
1260 2011-01-29 16:46:36 <hacim> sounds like a pyopencl autotools bug
1261 2011-01-29 16:49:03 <EvanR> failed
1262 2011-01-29 16:49:16 <hacim> EvanR: pastebin?
1263 2011-01-29 16:51:28 <EvanR> http://codepad.org/ycdoKA6d
1264 2011-01-29 16:52:17 <ArtForzZz> what exactly are you running?
1265 2011-01-29 16:52:29 <EvanR> ?
1266 2011-01-29 16:52:34 <EvanR> make
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1268 2011-01-29 16:52:44 <ArtForzZz> iirc you have to export ATISHIT before running configure
1269 2011-01-29 16:53:08 <EvanR> its exported
1270 2011-01-29 16:53:10 <EvanR> i ran configure
1271 2011-01-29 16:53:21 <EvanR> ill delete the repo and reclone
1272 2011-01-29 16:54:12 <hacim> maybe pyopencl doesn't look at ATISTREAMSDKROOT?
1273 2011-01-29 16:54:17 <ArtForzZz> it dopes
1274 2011-01-29 16:54:28 <EvanR> its set to the dir where i extracted it
1275 2011-01-29 16:54:35 <ArtForzZz> ls $ATISTREAMSDKROOT/include
1276 2011-01-29 16:55:03 <ArtForzZz> works?
1277 2011-01-29 16:55:46 <hacim> that should show you something like: calcl.h cal_ext_counter.h cal_ext_d3d10.h cal_ext_d3d9.h cal_ext.h cal.h CL GL OVDecode
1278 2011-01-29 16:55:51 <EvanR> also, before i typed make, i initially did git submodule init and git submodule update
1279 2011-01-29 16:55:52 <ArtForzZz> yep
1280 2011-01-29 16:56:09 <hacim> i confess, I didn't have to compile pyopencl
1281 2011-01-29 16:56:10 <EvanR> yes, it shows that
1282 2011-01-29 16:56:47 <ArtForzZz> weird
1283 2011-01-29 16:59:27 <EvanR> >_<
1284 2011-01-29 17:02:46 <ArtForzZz> yeah, looks like shit changed
1285 2011-01-29 17:02:55 <hacim> i just tried it and i get the same results
1286 2011-01-29 17:03:01 <hacim> ie. it cant find cl.h
1287 2011-01-29 17:04:16 <hacim> EvanR: ok do this:
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1291 2011-01-29 17:05:27 <ArtForzZz> looks like setup.py now wants CL_INC_DIR and CL_LIB_DIR at least
1292 2011-01-29 17:05:29 <hacim> python configure.py --cl-inc-dir=/path/to/ati-stream-sdk-v2.3-lnx64/include --cl-lib-dir=/path/to/ati-stream-sdk-v2.3-lnx64/lib/x86_64
1293 2011-01-29 17:05:39 <hacim> then do the make
1294 2011-01-29 17:05:47 <ArtForzZz> yep
1295 2011-01-29 17:05:55 <EvanR> in my case x86
1296 2011-01-29 17:06:36 <hacim> oh you might want to rm ./siteconf.py before doing the configure
1297 2011-01-29 17:07:05 <hacim> you might need boost installed, if you dont have it
1298 2011-01-29 17:07:17 <EvanR> ok
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1300 2011-01-29 17:08:18 <EvanR> boost and boost python
1301 2011-01-29 17:08:54 <EvanR> i have boost
1302 2011-01-29 17:09:22 <EvanR> failed anyway
1303 2011-01-29 17:09:39 <hacim> aww, but did it get past the cl.h issue?
1304 2011-01-29 17:09:40 <EvanR> cannot find -lboost_python-gcc43-mt
1305 2011-01-29 17:09:44 <EvanR> yes
1306 2011-01-29 17:10:57 <hacim> do you have boost installed in /usr/lib?
1307 2011-01-29 17:11:05 <hacim> and /usr/include?
1308 2011-01-29 17:11:12 <hacim> if not you will need to pass configure flags to where those are
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1310 2011-01-29 17:16:17 <EvanR> yes
1311 2011-01-29 17:16:54 <EvanR> i have libboost_python.so.1.42.0
1312 2011-01-29 17:18:44 <hacim> there is this config option: --boost-python-libname=boost_python-mt-py26
1313 2011-01-29 17:18:54 <hacim> but I'm not sure what your libname should be
1314 2011-01-29 17:19:12 <EvanR> well i have things to do today
1315 2011-01-29 17:19:51 <hacim> i think what you want to do is: --boost-python-libname=boost_python-py
1316 2011-01-29 17:20:00 <hacim> thats what mine was configured with
1317 2011-01-29 17:20:37 <EvanR> do you have a libboost_python-py in your /usr/lib ?
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1320 2011-01-29 17:32:43 <hacim> EvanR: i do, libboost_python-py25.so, libboost_python-py26.so, libboost_python.so, libboost_python-mt-py25.so, libboost_python-mt-py26.so
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1322 2011-01-29 17:33:56 <EvanR> ok
1323 2011-01-29 17:34:02 * EvanR decodes this weird language
1324 2011-01-29 17:35:13 <EvanR> built
1325 2011-01-29 17:36:21 <EvanR> jsonrpc
1326 2011-01-29 17:37:23 <EvanR> so glad slackware comes with svn, its a bitch to install
1327 2011-01-29 17:38:17 <hacim> heh
1328 2011-01-29 17:38:40 <hacim> i respect your slackware choice, but I cant help but point out that this would have been much faster on debian ;)
1329 2011-01-29 17:39:03 <EvanR> yeah and i hate debian ;)
1330 2011-01-29 17:39:18 <hacim> trade hate for time, seems good
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1332 2011-01-29 17:39:48 <EvanR> setup time is going to be negible amount of total time
1333 2011-01-29 17:40:00 <EvanR> as i said, svn comes with slack ;)
1334 2011-01-29 17:40:16 <EvanR> most of the stuff came with slack, thats why i like it for quick systems
1335 2011-01-29 17:40:43 <EvanR> it seems the miner only runs on one 'device' at a time?
1336 2011-01-29 17:40:45 <EvanR> do i need to run two?
1337 2011-01-29 17:41:11 <hacim> i'm not sure of that, i only have one
1338 2011-01-29 17:41:19 <hacim> so you got it running
1339 2011-01-29 17:41:21 <EvanR> i did -d 1
1340 2011-01-29 17:41:30 <EvanR> and it spewed an infinite traceback
1341 2011-01-29 17:41:51 <EvanR> InvalidURL
1342 2011-01-29 17:41:54 <EvanR> ok my fault xD
1343 2011-01-29 17:41:56 <hacim> i'm doing --user=... --pass=... --host=178.79.147.99 --port=8332 -f 1 -v -w 128 -d0
1344 2011-01-29 17:42:04 <EvanR> but ctl C dont stop it
1345 2011-01-29 17:42:13 <hacim> really?
1346 2011-01-29 17:42:17 <hacim> thats odd
1347 2011-01-29 17:42:51 <EvanR> -p is port, not password
1348 2011-01-29 17:42:54 <EvanR> thats what did it
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1350 2011-01-29 17:44:01 <EvanR> its running
1351 2011-01-29 17:44:10 <EvanR> 313M
1352 2011-01-29 17:44:33 <EvanR> only one gpu is at 99% the other 0
1353 2011-01-29 17:44:35 <EvanR> running a second instance
1354 2011-01-29 17:45:57 <EvanR> both at 97
1355 2011-01-29 17:46:01 <EvanR> 313M
1356 2011-01-29 17:46:04 <EvanR> each
1357 2011-01-29 17:46:17 <EvanR> i still get some connection errors sometime
1358 2011-01-29 17:46:38 <ArtForzZz> what gpu/clocks?
1359 2011-01-29 17:47:16 <EvanR> 840 840
1360 2011-01-29 17:47:21 <ArtForzZz> not bad
1361 2011-01-29 17:47:38 <EvanR> the hash meters are fairly consistent
1362 2011-01-29 17:47:41 <ArtForzZz> not really good either
1363 2011-01-29 17:47:41 <EvanR> 313
1364 2011-01-29 17:47:52 <EvanR> so that adds up to 626 right? ;)
1365 2011-01-29 17:47:57 <ArtForzZz> yes
1366 2011-01-29 17:48:00 <ArtForzZz> thats only like 540Mh @ 725
1367 2011-01-29 17:48:23 <EvanR> Keefe said he got them to 850 or 855 by his tests
1368 2011-01-29 17:48:25 <ArtForzZz> my OpenCL miner did 565 @ 725
1369 2011-01-29 17:48:36 <ArtForzZz> and my CAL miner is doing 604
1370 2011-01-29 17:48:43 <EvanR> cool. want to share?
1371 2011-01-29 17:48:45 <EvanR> lol
1372 2011-01-29 17:49:39 <ArtForzZz> no clue wtf m0 did to my kernel to make it that slow
1373 2011-01-29 17:57:06 <hacim> EvanR: how did you get both running? did you run two processes?
1374 2011-01-29 17:57:58 <hacim> EvanR: are you using -v ?
1375 2011-01-29 17:58:00 <Netsniper> "hashespersec" : 630464,
1376 2011-01-29 17:58:06 <Netsniper> tee hee
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1379 2011-01-29 18:05:39 * grondilu has just noticed that there is JPY/BTC exchange now
1380 2011-01-29 18:06:13 <EvanR> hacim: yes
1381 2011-01-29 18:06:17 <EvanR> -v...
1382 2011-01-29 18:07:17 <EvanR> -v didnt help
1383 2011-01-29 18:07:53 <EvanR> grondilu: been there
1384 2011-01-29 18:07:58 <EvanR> or are you not talking about btcex
1385 2011-01-29 18:08:17 <grondilu> yeah, but I've noticed it on bicoinwatch
1386 2011-01-29 18:09:16 <grondilu> I guess it means bitcoin finally gets to be known in Japan
1387 2011-01-29 18:09:27 <hacim> EvanR: weird, it really changed things for me... what -f and -w are you using?
1388 2011-01-29 18:09:47 <EvanR> none
1389 2011-01-29 18:10:49 <EvanR> -f 1 -w 128 make it go to 328
1390 2011-01-29 18:11:09 <hacim> try different -w, i've heard 64 is better for some cards
1391 2011-01-29 18:11:18 <hacim> 256 probably doesn't help, but worth trying
1392 2011-01-29 18:11:21 <luke-jr> grondilu: it isn't new
1393 2011-01-29 18:12:03 <EvanR> 64 is worse
1394 2011-01-29 18:12:24 <EvanR> same with 256
1395 2011-01-29 18:13:23 <EvanR> i need -v to get that boost
1396 2011-01-29 18:13:57 <EvanR> actually i cant get the same effect on #1
1397 2011-01-29 18:14:01 <hacim> so -v -w 128?
1398 2011-01-29 18:14:17 <EvanR> -v -f 1 -w 128 gives 328 or 329 on #2
1399 2011-01-29 18:14:24 <EvanR> but doesnt have effect on #1
1400 2011-01-29 18:14:47 <EvanR> oh i typed the wrong number
1401 2011-01-29 18:15:13 <EvanR> 328-330 on both now
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1403 2011-01-29 18:17:17 <hacim> hah
1404 2011-01-29 18:17:33 <EvanR> and my temperature is rising
1405 2011-01-29 18:17:39 <EvanR> increase fan to 70%
1406 2011-01-29 18:17:41 <hacim> EvanR: whats the max you can oc?
1407 2011-01-29 18:17:58 <EvanR> i was told 850 or a little more
1408 2011-01-29 18:18:03 <EvanR> havent tried
1409 2011-01-29 18:18:25 <hacim> do: aticonfig --od-getclocks
1410 2011-01-29 18:18:36 <hacim> should tell you what your Configurable Peak Range is
1411 2011-01-29 18:19:04 <hacim> how do you get your fan speed?
1412 2011-01-29 18:19:23 <EvanR> it just said 550-1000
1413 2011-01-29 18:19:51 <hacim> so 1000 is the max you can overclock it
1414 2011-01-29 18:20:28 <EvanR> i set the fan speed with
1415 2011-01-29 18:20:43 <hacim> what hash rate were you getting with diablo?
1416 2011-01-29 18:20:57 <EvanR> DISPLAY=:0 aticonfig --pplib-cmd 'set fanspeed 0 80'
1417 2011-01-29 18:21:17 <EvanR> i was reporting 550 or so at this clock speed
1418 2011-01-29 18:21:19 <EvanR> it
1419 2011-01-29 18:21:28 <EvanR> 550Mh/s
1420 2011-01-29 18:21:35 <hacim> sweet, so you are doing much better now
1421 2011-01-29 18:21:52 <EvanR> according to the reports
1422 2011-01-29 18:21:56 <ArtForzZz> what SDK version?
1423 2011-01-29 18:21:59 <EvanR> 2.1
1424 2011-01-29 18:22:20 <hacim> i am using 2.3
1425 2011-01-29 18:22:21 <ArtForzZz> hrrm. thats pretty slow for diablominer
1426 2011-01-29 18:22:25 <hacim> I didn't notice a big difference
1427 2011-01-29 18:22:34 <EvanR> the python miner is much more consistent in its report, maybe the hash meter was broke
1428 2011-01-29 18:22:40 <hacim> i'm surprised I can't get the fan speed from aticonfig
1429 2011-01-29 18:22:45 <ArtForzZz> you can
1430 2011-01-29 18:23:00 <ArtForzZz> DISPLAY=:0.0 aticonfig --pplib-cmd 'get fanspeed 0'
1431 2011-01-29 18:23:04 <EvanR> lol this thing is a hairdryer
1432 2011-01-29 18:23:10 <hacim> oh its a pplib-cmd
1433 2011-01-29 18:23:11 <ArtForzZz> :0.2 for 2nd 5970 card
1434 2011-01-29 18:23:30 <hacim> mine is 60%
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1437 2011-01-29 18:23:42 <ArtForzZz> thats not very much
1438 2011-01-29 18:23:46 <hacim> its a 5870
1439 2011-01-29 18:23:52 <EvanR> i was at 60 but it started to warm up after i switched miners
1440 2011-01-29 18:23:53 <ArtForzZz> ahhh. k
1441 2011-01-29 18:23:57 <hacim> running at 77.50 C
1442 2011-01-29 18:24:03 <EvanR> 73
1443 2011-01-29 18:24:14 <hacim> i wonder if I could slow down the fan, its annoying
1444 2011-01-29 18:24:19 <EvanR> heh
1445 2011-01-29 18:24:32 <EvanR> dangerous
1446 2011-01-29 18:24:41 <molecular> use artforz' fan_control
1447 2011-01-29 18:24:46 <hacim> its annoying that --pplib-cmd isn't listed in aticonfig --help
1448 2011-01-29 18:24:48 <molecular> you can hardcode a desired temp
1449 2011-01-29 18:24:54 <ArtForzZz> well, anything < 85°C should be fine really
1450 2011-01-29 18:24:59 <hacim> oh really?
1451 2011-01-29 18:25:08 <EvanR> as long as you dont touch the bitch ;)
1452 2011-01-29 18:25:11 <ArtForzZz> well, at least ATI said so for 4xxx
1453 2011-01-29 18:25:17 <hacim> where can I get this fan_control and set a desired temp?
1454 2011-01-29 18:25:26 <ArtForzZz> they never officialy said what max safe temps for 5xxx are
1455 2011-01-29 18:26:13 <hacim> watch -n5 'aticonfig --odgt; aticonfig --pplib-cmd "get fanspeed 0"'
1456 2011-01-29 18:26:14 <molecular> ArtForzZz, should I give him the code you gave me that I modified slightly (startup)?
1457 2011-01-29 18:26:18 <EvanR> is there a temperature failsafe?
1458 2011-01-29 18:26:20 <ArtForzZz> yup
1459 2011-01-29 18:26:47 <ArtForzZz> > 105°C core or 120°C VRM temps card auto-throttles clocks
1460 2011-01-29 18:26:55 <hacim> maybe it just melts the chips
1461 2011-01-29 18:27:02 <EvanR> lol
1462 2011-01-29 18:27:16 <EvanR> government regulations to ensure mining safety
1463 2011-01-29 18:27:26 <EvanR> watch out ;)
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1465 2011-01-29 18:27:41 <molecular> fan_control.c: http://pastebin.com/jq0YX6u4
1466 2011-01-29 18:27:54 <hacim> speaking of watching out, echelon just quit
1467 2011-01-29 18:28:10 <EvanR> hacim: my X gui is running slow
1468 2011-01-29 18:28:16 <EvanR> mouse and everything
1469 2011-01-29 18:28:27 <ArtForzZz> yes, thats a side effect of mining with low -f
1470 2011-01-29 18:28:27 <molecular> EvanR, the temp is set in line 190
1471 2011-01-29 18:28:50 <EvanR> ah
1472 2011-01-29 18:29:06 <hacim> EvanR: try -f 5
1473 2011-01-29 18:29:11 * molecular has to do rounded corners in IE
1474 2011-01-29 18:29:13 <molecular> PUKE
1475 2011-01-29 18:29:14 <EvanR> im good
1476 2011-01-29 18:29:25 <EvanR> so how do i know how much watts this rig is eating?
1477 2011-01-29 18:29:34 * hacim looks around for adl_sdk.h
1478 2011-01-29 18:29:42 <hacim> EvanR: get a kill-a-watt, they are like $14
1479 2011-01-29 18:29:52 <ArtForzZz> yep
1480 2011-01-29 18:30:08 <ArtForzZz> kill-a-watt = cheap, fast, slightly inaccurate
1481 2011-01-29 18:30:22 <ArtForzZz> http://developer.amd.com/gpu/ADLSDK/Pages/default.aspx
1482 2011-01-29 18:30:41 <EvanR> hmm
1483 2011-01-29 18:30:42 <molecular> adl_sdk.h http://developer.amd.com/gpu/adlsdk/Pages/default.aspx
1484 2011-01-29 18:30:52 <EvanR> guess i could read my meter outside
1485 2011-01-29 18:30:56 <molecular> libatiadlxx.so comes from driver
1486 2011-01-29 18:31:12 <molecular> ^ hacim
1487 2011-01-29 18:32:56 <ArtForzZz> I just use a uncertified 3-phase meter + wall time
1488 2011-01-29 18:33:14 <Diablo-D3> [01:24:44] <ArtForzZz> kill-a-watt = cheap, fast, slightly inaccurate
1489 2011-01-29 18:33:19 <Diablo-D3> not that inaccurate
1490 2011-01-29 18:33:25 <Diablo-D3> its like a percent or two off
1491 2011-01-29 18:33:29 <ArtForzZz> yep
1492 2011-01-29 18:34:08 <Diablo-D3> room temperature itself can cause a percent or two in change of actual power usage
1493 2011-01-29 18:34:14 <Diablo-D3> so its inside the margin of who gives a fuck
1494 2011-01-29 18:34:17 <ArtForzZz> at good PF it's usually within 1%
1495 2011-01-29 18:34:56 <ArtForzZz> and as all current PSUs have active PFC and PF > 0.95, who cares
1496 2011-01-29 18:35:12 <Diablo-D3> yeah
1497 2011-01-29 18:35:14 <Diablo-D3> so its one of those things
1498 2011-01-29 18:35:19 <Diablo-D3> if 1-2% kills your shit
1499 2011-01-29 18:35:21 <Diablo-D3> buy a bigger PSU
1500 2011-01-29 18:35:23 <ArtForzZz> with a really bad PF it can be off >5%
1501 2011-01-29 18:35:46 <hacim> hm, missing some library here: undefined reference to `ADL_Main_Control_Create
1502 2011-01-29 18:36:12 <ArtForzZz> compile with -latiadlxx
1503 2011-01-29 18:36:31 <molecular> hacim: also: compile as c-file, not c++ if it still doesn't work
1504 2011-01-29 18:36:45 <hacim> it was the -latiadlxx i was missing
1505 2011-01-29 18:36:50 <molecular> good
1506 2011-01-29 18:38:03 <hacim> heh fancontrol is ramping UP my fans
1507 2011-01-29 18:38:17 <ArtForzZz> probably because your GPU temp > target temp :P
1508 2011-01-29 18:38:24 <hacim> yeah
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1510 2011-01-29 18:38:39 <ArtForzZz> it's a simple and stupid PID controller trying to keep GPU temp constant
1511 2011-01-29 18:38:54 <hacim> i'm not sure I need to have my target temp so low
1512 2011-01-29 18:39:01 <ArtForzZz> takes a while to settle and likes to overshoot because I never bothered to tune loop params
1513 2011-01-29 18:39:09 <hacim> ah ok, so it'll settle
1514 2011-01-29 18:39:33 <hacim> isn't 73 a bit low?
1515 2011-01-29 18:40:02 <ArtForzZz> depends on your room temp
1516 2011-01-29 18:40:11 <hacim> in what way?
1517 2011-01-29 18:40:52 <ArtForzZz> my downstair miners have ~25°C room temp, core temp ~78°C @ 60% fan
1518 2011-01-29 18:41:28 <ArtForzZz> upstairs miners have ~18°C room temp, core temp ~70°C @ 60% fan
1519 2011-01-29 18:42:21 <hacim> so you are shooting for less than 80°C?
1520 2011-01-29 18:42:26 <ArtForzZz> yep
1521 2011-01-29 18:42:46 <ArtForzZz> better deaf than sorry :P
1522 2011-01-29 18:43:21 <hacim> 100% fan speed is too much for me to keep this at 73°C
1523 2011-01-29 18:43:33 <ArtForzZz> wait for it a bit to settle
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1525 2011-01-29 18:43:53 <ArtForzZz> once it gets core to <73°C it should start ramping fanspeed down slowly.
1526 2011-01-29 18:44:09 <ArtForzZz> and finally settling ... somewhere
1527 2011-01-29 18:44:52 <EvanR> i disabled central heating and am now living in my bedroom with the door closed
1528 2011-01-29 18:45:00 <EvanR> ceiling fan on
1529 2011-01-29 18:45:03 <ArtForzZz> hahaha
1530 2011-01-29 18:45:09 <EvanR> and if i need to, ill open the window
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1532 2011-01-29 18:47:11 <molecular> it settles to 72.5°C, speed 66% currently here. PID works nicely ;) and true: it _is_ fun to play with the values, ArtForzZz
1533 2011-01-29 18:47:16 <bencoder> ;;seen nelisky
1534 2011-01-29 18:47:16 <gribble> nelisky was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 2 weeks, 5 days, 20 hours, 49 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <nelisky> don't seem to quickly find anything else matching this
1535 2011-01-29 18:47:29 <molecular> ;;seen mtgox
1536 2011-01-29 18:47:29 <gribble> mtgox was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 1 day, 4 hours, 12 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <mtgox> hi
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1538 2011-01-29 18:49:06 <EvanR> i think the white noise is kind of relaxing. like a waterfall or a shower, makes you want to sing
1539 2011-01-29 18:49:48 <ArtForzZz> my big miners sound a lot deeper for some reason
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1541 2011-01-29 18:50:07 <molecular> just the frequency spectrum is a little to the high side. more like a friggin' hair-dryer
1542 2011-01-29 18:50:18 <ArtForzZz> probably the 120mm fans + wood cases
1543 2011-01-29 18:50:23 <EvanR> true i dont hear much high frequency, so its not 'white'
1544 2011-01-29 18:50:33 <EvanR> but its not deep either
1545 2011-01-29 18:50:47 <EvanR> molecular: yeah
1546 2011-01-29 18:50:50 <molecular> I meant it's too much high freqs
1547 2011-01-29 18:50:52 <EvanR> but its noise so you cant pretend ;)
1548 2011-01-29 18:51:00 <EvanR> god dammit
1549 2011-01-29 18:51:02 <EvanR> CAN PRETEND
1550 2011-01-29 18:51:08 <EvanR> dyslexic
1551 2011-01-29 18:51:11 <ArtForzZz> white nois *has* a lot of high-freq content
1552 2011-01-29 18:51:26 <ArtForzZz> I much prefer brownish noise
1553 2011-01-29 18:51:30 <EvanR> i dont hear much high frequency
1554 2011-01-29 18:51:31 <Diablo-D3> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/boingboing/iBag/~3/pJbUrWhABM8/revolver-that-fires.html
1555 2011-01-29 18:51:33 <molecular> doesn't white noise have all frequencies at equal power?
1556 2011-01-29 18:51:34 <EvanR> in this noise
1557 2011-01-29 18:51:43 <ArtForzZz> yep
1558 2011-01-29 18:51:54 <molecular> one could build a subtractive synth using a gpu as source
1559 2011-01-29 18:51:58 <molecular> miner-music
1560 2011-01-29 18:52:08 <ArtForzZz> white noise = equal power over all frequencies
1561 2011-01-29 18:52:14 * Diablo-D3 smacks molecular
1562 2011-01-29 18:52:15 <EvanR> http://www.falstad.com/dfilter/ use this
1563 2011-01-29 18:52:16 <Diablo-D3> bad molecular!
1564 2011-01-29 18:52:20 <ArtForzZz> pink noise = power 1/f
1565 2011-01-29 18:52:29 <molecular> what's up Diablo-D3
1566 2011-01-29 18:52:47 <ArtForzZz> brown noise = power 1/f**2
1567 2011-01-29 18:53:29 <ArtForzZz> see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colors_of_noise ;)
1568 2011-01-29 18:53:33 <molecular> hey, Diablo-D3: why you hit me?
1569 2011-01-29 18:53:47 <Diablo-D3> [01:46:35] <molecular> miner-music
1570 2011-01-29 18:53:48 <Diablo-D3> thats why
1571 2011-01-29 18:54:12 * molecular is thinking
1572 2011-01-29 18:54:25 <Diablo-D3> well stop that
1573 2011-01-29 18:54:34 <molecular> what?
1574 2011-01-29 18:54:36 <molecular> thinking?
1575 2011-01-29 18:54:58 <Diablo-D3> yes
1576 2011-01-29 18:54:59 <hacim> i'm still chewing at 82% fan speed
1577 2011-01-29 18:55:17 * molecular stops thinking (might be dangerous)
1578 2011-01-29 18:55:33 <EvanR> dont think and drive
1579 2011-01-29 18:56:04 <molecular> it's cold here since I move my miner someplace else
1580 2011-01-29 18:56:08 <molecular> *moved
1581 2011-01-29 18:56:24 <Diablo-D3> lol
1582 2011-01-29 18:56:41 <ArtForzZz> thinking is known to the state of california to cause cancer
1583 2011-01-29 18:56:43 <molecular> ArtForzZz, about the i2c-stuff... how's it going with that?
1584 2011-01-29 18:57:23 <hacim> if I stop fancontrol, does it return the fan control to the card?
1585 2011-01-29 18:57:29 <ArtForzZz> nope
1586 2011-01-29 18:57:40 <ArtForzZz> just set a manual speed with pplib-cmd
1587 2011-01-29 18:57:53 <hacim> how can I get it back to auto?
1588 2011-01-29 18:57:54 <molecular> you can't set back to auto
1589 2011-01-29 18:57:59 <hacim> what!
1590 2011-01-29 18:58:00 <molecular> restart X
1591 2011-01-29 18:58:03 <hacim> oh jez
1592 2011-01-29 18:58:08 <EvanR> oh jiz
1593 2011-01-29 18:58:10 <ArtForzZz> actually I think you can
1594 2011-01-29 18:58:10 <molecular> that's what I though
1595 2011-01-29 18:58:16 <molecular> via adl?
1596 2011-01-29 18:58:21 <ArtForzZz> well, with a slighly modified fancontrol
1597 2011-01-29 18:58:22 <ArtForzZz> yep
1598 2011-01-29 18:58:57 <ArtForzZz> just calling setfanspeed with the USER_DEFINED_FANSPEED flag cleared should do the trick
1599 2011-01-29 18:59:03 <molecular> ADL_Overdrive5_FanSpeedToDefault_Set ?
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1601 2011-01-29 19:00:06 * molecular thought about pimping fan_control a bit with keyboard control of temp and maybed clock(s)
1602 2011-01-29 19:00:12 <ArtForzZz> or that
1603 2011-01-29 19:00:14 <hacim> hm
1604 2011-01-29 19:00:27 <molecular> "Function to set the fan speed to the default fan speed value. "
1605 2011-01-29 19:00:30 <hacim> i think the auto fan control was better, kept the lady from complaining
1606 2011-01-29 19:00:31 <molecular> not sure what default value means here
1607 2011-01-29 19:00:41 <molecular> hacim, mod line 190
1608 2011-01-29 19:00:42 <Diablo-D3> I hate autofans
1609 2011-01-29 19:00:48 <Diablo-D3> if a fans a constant noise I can tune it out
1610 2011-01-29 19:00:56 <ArtForzZz> the ADL API is a huge fucking mess
1611 2011-01-29 19:00:58 <hacim> molecular: yeah I tried a few different values
1612 2011-01-29 19:01:24 <molecular> well, if autofan is more silent, it should be at higher temp
1613 2011-01-29 19:01:28 <hacim> molecular: i increased it to 77, but its still hanging out at 85%. I tried 80, and that got me too scared because the temp went much further up
1614 2011-01-29 19:01:43 <molecular> after startup, it need a while to settle
1615 2011-01-29 19:01:46 <molecular> just sit tight
1616 2011-01-29 19:01:49 <ArtForzZz> again, it takes a while to settle
1617 2011-01-29 19:01:51 <hacim> yeah, i know. i let it settle for like 20minutes
1618 2011-01-29 19:01:56 <ArtForzZz> yeah
1619 2011-01-29 19:01:57 <hacim> how long are we talking about?
1620 2011-01-29 19:02:01 <molecular> no, like 20 secs
1621 2011-01-29 19:02:04 <molecular> 60 max
1622 2011-01-29 19:02:10 <ArtForzZz> actually it takes about 15-20 min for me with 5970s
1623 2011-01-29 19:02:17 <ArtForzZz> depends a lot on thermal mass of cooler
1624 2011-01-29 19:02:22 <Diablo-D3> hacim: it has steps
1625 2011-01-29 19:02:43 <Diablo-D3> hacim: its not like the fan controller has 100 steps or something
1626 2011-01-29 19:03:04 <hacim> what?
1627 2011-01-29 19:03:11 <ArtForzZz> errr... it does
1628 2011-01-29 19:03:26 <Diablo-D3> ArtForzZz: since when?
1629 2011-01-29 19:03:31 <Diablo-D3> fan controllers are never that awesome
1630 2011-01-29 19:03:42 <ArtForzZz> any 5xxx pretty much
1631 2011-01-29 19:03:51 <ArtForzZz> 4xxx had like 2.5% steps
1632 2011-01-29 19:03:58 <ArtForzZz> well, 2-3%
1633 2011-01-29 19:04:12 <ArtForzZz> 5xxx seems to be 1% really
1634 2011-01-29 19:04:38 <EvanR> ok i have bitcoind working, how do i switch from the pool to my own thing
1635 2011-01-29 19:04:52 <EvanR> do i have to enable generating
1636 2011-01-29 19:05:34 <molecular> I shouldn't have put the miner into the room with the heating system's temp sensor... now all other rooms are cold ;)
1637 2011-01-29 19:05:42 <ArtForzZz> lol
1638 2011-01-29 19:05:58 <ArtForzZz> saw that in a office
1639 2011-01-29 19:06:01 <Diablo-D3> ....
1640 2011-01-29 19:06:04 * Diablo-D3 facepalms
1641 2011-01-29 19:06:11 <ArtForzZz> space heater next to central heating thermostat
1642 2011-01-29 19:06:15 <molecular> hehe
1643 2011-01-29 19:06:27 <molecular> it's on the other end of the room, but still has effect, of course
1644 2011-01-29 19:06:28 <Diablo-D3> Im going to buy one of those "I see stupid people" tshirts
1645 2011-01-29 19:06:54 <ArtForzZz> in soviet russia, stupid people see you!
1646 2011-01-29 19:07:13 <Diablo-D3> in soviet russia, bomb disarms you
1647 2011-01-29 19:07:17 <hacim> EvanR: no, just point your client at your local miner daemon, using the rpc username/passwd
1648 2011-01-29 19:07:18 <Diablo-D3> (bonus points if you get the reference)
1649 2011-01-29 19:08:27 <Diablo-D3> oooh theres a groovy set on tag's trip atm
1650 2011-01-29 19:09:16 <Diablo-D3> goddamnit!
1651 2011-01-29 19:09:24 <Diablo-D3> everytime I say theres a good set on some radio station
1652 2011-01-29 19:09:25 <Diablo-D3> it ends
1653 2011-01-29 19:09:27 <Diablo-D3> every fucking time
1654 2011-01-29 19:09:37 <EvanR> hacim: miner daemon?
1655 2011-01-29 19:09:46 <hacim> EvanR: bitcoind is running, right?
1656 2011-01-29 19:10:16 <EvanR> thats what youre calling miner daemon
1657 2011-01-29 19:10:24 <hacim> the 'd' is for daemon
1658 2011-01-29 19:10:25 <EvanR> its running
1659 2011-01-29 19:10:35 <hacim> oh sorry
1660 2011-01-29 19:10:40 <hacim> i didn't mean to say 'miner'
1661 2011-01-29 19:10:53 <EvanR> i point the miner programs to the daemon
1662 2011-01-29 19:10:57 <hacim> so change the ip/host in your client flags to point to localhost
1663 2011-01-29 19:11:01 <hacim> yes
1664 2011-01-29 19:11:03 <hacim> thats what I meant to say
1665 2011-01-29 19:11:17 <EvanR> and bitcoind will automatically communicate with the network?
1666 2011-01-29 19:11:25 <hacim> supposedly
1667 2011-01-29 19:11:30 <EvanR> mmmkay
1668 2011-01-29 19:11:35 <hacim> i did it for a few days until I found a block
1669 2011-01-29 19:11:50 <hacim> and then 120 blocks later, I got 50btc, so it seemed to work
1670 2011-01-29 19:12:30 <EvanR> username?
1671 2011-01-29 19:12:46 <molecular> Diablo-D3, maybe you just really happen to like the ends of sets?
1672 2011-01-29 19:13:16 <Diablo-D3> https://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/memes-trollface-father-error.jpg
1673 2011-01-29 19:14:07 <EvanR> hacim: two miners can log in with the same user pass?
1674 2011-01-29 19:14:07 <Diablo-D3> okay
1675 2011-01-29 19:14:08 <Diablo-D3> now
1676 2011-01-29 19:14:17 <Diablo-D3> etn.fm ch1 has a good set
1677 2011-01-29 19:14:49 <Diablo-D3> aaargh and now it went to crap
1678 2011-01-29 19:14:51 <Diablo-D3> fucking vocals
1679 2011-01-29 19:14:54 <molecular> lol
1680 2011-01-29 19:14:55 <Diablo-D3> vocals are not cool dude
1681 2011-01-29 19:15:27 <EvanR> hacim: it just asks me for the user pass over and over...
1682 2011-01-29 19:16:02 <hacim> EvanR: i dont know about the two miner question. i only have one, so I haven't tried
1683 2011-01-29 19:16:33 <EvanR> i cant even get one to connect
1684 2011-01-29 19:16:40 <hacim> EvanR: specify your username/pass on the command line to be the same as your .bitcoin/bitcoin.conf rpcuser/rpcpass
1685 2011-01-29 19:16:44 <Diablo-D3> wait
1686 2011-01-29 19:16:45 <Diablo-D3> its cool now
1687 2011-01-29 19:16:49 <Diablo-D3> http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/memes-joseph-ducreux-pokemon.jpg
1688 2011-01-29 19:16:51 <Diablo-D3> also
1689 2011-01-29 19:16:54 <Diablo-D3> someone is going to die
1690 2011-01-29 19:17:01 <EvanR> rpcpassword=
1691 2011-01-29 19:17:04 <EvanR> rpcusername=
1692 2011-01-29 19:17:05 <EvanR> ?
1693 2011-01-29 19:17:10 <hacim> huh?
1694 2011-01-29 19:17:25 <EvanR> im asking about the format of the file you mentioned
1695 2011-01-29 19:17:36 <hacim> you dont have a bitcoin.conf?
1696 2011-01-29 19:17:41 <EvanR> not initially no
1697 2011-01-29 19:17:50 <EvanR> i have to make it up
1698 2011-01-29 19:17:54 <EvanR> it doesnt require me to put a username
1699 2011-01-29 19:17:56 <EvanR> to run
1700 2011-01-29 19:18:00 <hacim> i think you need at minimum rpcuser/rpcpassword set in there to launch bitcoind
1701 2011-01-29 19:18:04 <EvanR> nope
1702 2011-01-29 19:18:10 <hacim> oh ok
1703 2011-01-29 19:18:11 <EvanR> anycase, the keyword is rpcuser
1704 2011-01-29 19:18:14 <EvanR> not username?
1705 2011-01-29 19:18:27 <hacim> thats what I have
1706 2011-01-29 19:18:33 <EvanR> must have been my proble
1707 2011-01-29 19:19:00 <hacim> hm
1708 2011-01-29 19:19:12 <hacim> why am I helping someone make difficulty get harder? :p
1709 2011-01-29 19:19:25 <hacim> hehe
1710 2011-01-29 19:19:34 <hacim> i should be spreading disinformation
1711 2011-01-29 19:20:03 <EvanR> bitcoin cabal
1712 2011-01-29 19:20:11 <hacim> tinbc
1713 2011-01-29 19:20:45 <EvanR> is there a bitcoind command i can use to check to make sure it working?
1714 2011-01-29 19:20:53 <hacim> i was wondering that too
1715 2011-01-29 19:21:10 <hacim> maybe tail -f debug.log
1716 2011-01-29 19:22:40 <EvanR> how do i know i got a block xD
1717 2011-01-29 19:25:19 <EvanR> oh right its going to show in one of the mining windows
1718 2011-01-29 19:25:25 <EvanR> just a lot less frequenctly
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1721 2011-01-29 19:33:11 <EvanR> so youre sure i dont have to enable generate
1722 2011-01-29 19:33:41 <ArtForzZz> yup
1723 2011-01-29 19:34:12 <EvanR> is the chance i get a block before the average time 50%?
1724 2011-01-29 19:35:19 <ArtForzZz> > 50% iirc
1725 2011-01-29 19:35:34 <EvanR> hmm
1726 2011-01-29 19:36:00 <molecular> what's your hashrate, EvanR ?
1727 2011-01-29 19:36:06 <EvanR> 660M
1728 2011-01-29 19:36:15 <molecular> average time is one day, 18 hours
1729 2011-01-29 19:36:19 <EvanR> i know
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1731 2011-01-29 19:38:04 <EvanR> ;;bc,calc 1000000000
1732 2011-01-29 19:38:05 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 22012.4941572 , is 1 minute and 34 seconds
1733 2011-01-29 19:38:08 <EvanR> ;;bc,calc 1000000000000
1734 2011-01-29 19:38:09 <gribble> Error: '0.0945429425077' is not a valid integer.
1735 2011-01-29 19:38:14 <EvanR> lol
1736 2011-01-29 19:38:45 <ArtForzZz> iirc something like 63% of blocks in 0 .. avg time, 23% avg - 2x avg time, 9% 2x - 3x avg time, 3% 3-4x avg, ...
1737 2011-01-29 19:39:21 <EvanR> thats weird, intuitively i came to the number 50%
1738 2011-01-29 19:40:00 <ArtForzZz> yeah, it's a bit unintuitive
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1747 2011-01-29 20:09:32 <luke-jr> um
1748 2011-01-29 20:09:38 <luke-jr> where did tcatm and his bot go? :|
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1752 2011-01-29 20:14:00 <slush> hi, how long bitcoind try to connect to some IP before it drop this IP from database?
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1755 2011-01-29 20:14:18 <Cusipzzz> ;;bc, stats
1756 2011-01-29 20:14:18 <gribble> Error: "bc," is not a valid command.
1757 2011-01-29 20:14:23 <Diablo-D3> fail
1758 2011-01-29 20:14:26 <Cusipzzz> hmm
1759 2011-01-29 20:14:26 <slush> ;;bc,stats
1760 2011-01-29 20:14:28 <gribble> Current Blocks: 105219 | Current Difficulty: 22012.4941572 | Next Difficulty At Block: 106847 | Next Difficulty In: 1628 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 11 hours, 53 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23790.51548219
1761 2011-01-29 20:14:33 <Cusipzzz> bot is there
1762 2011-01-29 20:15:06 <Cusipzzz> ;;ud tl;dr
1763 2011-01-29 20:15:06 <gribble> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tl%3Bdr | Literally, "Too long; didn't read" Said whenever a nerd makes a post that is too long to bother reading.
1764 2011-01-29 20:15:30 <Diablo-D3> lawlz
1765 2011-01-29 20:17:27 <luke-jr> Cusipzzz: that's not tcatm's bot
1766 2011-01-29 20:19:17 <Cusipzzz> o...they all look alike to me
1767 2011-01-29 20:21:02 <luke-jr> [14:15:24] <bitcoincharts> TX 142gJjMSyackybjjJDQqvNp1zARj2QWSQs 60.00 BTC a2f2dd7b6c233abbf01e9ba1754dee3a1794609a17e3e30bb6013a2b48a8c128
1768 2011-01-29 20:21:04 <luke-jr> [14:16:55] <bitcoincharts> block 000000000001e38dd7b18a499f650aaee0379c69f212331ef0ab20dcf74a3190
1769 2011-01-29 20:21:05 <luke-jr> that's tcatm's
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1789 2011-01-29 21:58:00 <echelon> update on vekja.net
1790 2011-01-29 21:58:34 <echelon> i finally got response from the admin by email, but nothing has been resolved thus far
1791 2011-01-29 21:59:11 <ArtForzZz> sucks
1792 2011-01-29 21:59:48 <echelon> it accepts the payments into your ewallet just fine, but won't withdraw
1793 2011-01-29 21:59:55 <ArtForzZz> wow
1794 2011-01-29 22:00:57 <ArtForzZz> "fun" problem
1795 2011-01-29 22:01:28 <echelon> heh
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1797 2011-01-29 22:02:14 <Cusipzzz> i show have such a problem!
1798 2011-01-29 22:02:41 <Cusipzzz> should* sigh
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1810 2011-01-29 22:55:33 <echelon> there's only ever going to be 21 million bitcoins? or am i listening to disinfo
1811 2011-01-29 22:55:44 <echelon> http://www.archive.org/download/TheNewDigitalMoney-BitcoinWithBruceWagner-12-02-10/12.02.10_wagner_bruce_bitcoin.mp3
1812 2011-01-29 22:55:48 <theymos> That's right.
1813 2011-01-29 22:56:01 <echelon> i see
1814 2011-01-29 22:56:44 <theymos> There are eight decimals of precision, though (and this can be expanded), so there's no chance of "running out".
1815 2011-01-29 22:56:59 <echelon> cool
1816 2011-01-29 22:58:10 <lfm> how do you mean it can be expanded? isnt the 8 places a pretty firm limit?
1817 2011-01-29 22:58:38 <ArtForzZz> it is a hard limit
1818 2011-01-29 22:58:47 <theymos> It's hard-coded in the blocks, but it wouldn't be impossible to say "after block x, the format of blocks changes to allow more precision".
1819 2011-01-29 22:59:42 <ArtForzZz> that won't be pretty
1820 2011-01-29 23:00:18 <theymos> Maybe it will be done at the same time as the timestamp overflow issue.
1821 2011-01-29 23:00:21 <ArtForzZz> actually I think I have an idea how to pull this off without chain splitting
1822 2011-01-29 23:00:48 <ArtForzZz> well, at least avoiding the problem of old-coin and new-coin clients seeing different chains
1823 2011-01-29 23:01:08 <Cusipzzz> you guys are insane if you think we may need more than 8 digits past the decimal
1824 2011-01-29 23:01:25 <ArtForzZz> not really
1825 2011-01-29 23:01:38 <Cusipzzz> how many subsubsubsub penny tx's you want ?
1826 2011-01-29 23:01:42 <Cusipzzz> lol
1827 2011-01-29 23:01:59 <theymos> Deflation could drive the price pretty high.
1828 2011-01-29 23:02:20 <Cusipzzz> i drink the kool aid, but not a chance that high
1829 2011-01-29 23:02:30 <ArtForzZz> sure about that?
1830 2011-01-29 23:03:05 <theymos> I can't see it being a problem for at least 50 years. Probably Bitcoin will be totally broken or out-competed by some other cryptocurrency before then.
1831 2011-01-29 23:03:11 <ArtForzZz> yep
1832 2011-01-29 23:03:15 <Cusipzzz> yes. allowing for the 8th digit to be worth .001 cents, you have any idea what that means in $ ?
1833 2011-01-29 23:03:36 <Cusipzzz> exactly. btc^2 will be here, or something else better.
1834 2011-01-29 23:04:15 <ArtForzZz> errr
1835 2011-01-29 23:04:27 <ArtForzZz> about 21 billion
1836 2011-01-29 23:05:25 <theymos> None of use will care about technical issues if it ever becomes a problem. We'll hire teams of people to do the worrying for us.
1837 2011-01-29 23:05:34 <Cusipzzz> theymos: haha
1838 2011-01-29 23:06:24 <lfm> use fractional reserves to multiply the value
1839 2011-01-29 23:06:24 <theymos> ArtForzZz: What's your idea about changing core parameters without splitting?
1840 2011-01-29 23:06:36 <ArtForzZz> well, it still kidna is splitting
1841 2011-01-29 23:06:51 <Cusipzzz> lfm: err
1842 2011-01-29 23:07:16 <ArtForzZz> but a pretty simple way to move bitcoins from oldchain to newchain without possiblity of double-spending on old/new clients
1843 2011-01-29 23:07:18 Kiba has joined
1844 2011-01-29 23:07:47 <echelon> lol the radio host said "mount cocks" ... http://webflix.da.ru/a/?mp3=http://www.archive.org/download/TheNewDigitalMoney-BitcoinWithBruceWagner-12-02-10/12.02.10_wagner_bruce_bitcoin.mp3
1845 2011-01-29 23:07:57 <ArtForzZz> basically, new chain is really a new chain
1846 2011-01-29 23:08:21 <Kiba> hello
1847 2011-01-29 23:08:29 <echelon> @ 30:25
1848 2011-01-29 23:08:52 <ArtForzZz> except instead of simple "grandfathering in" existing bitcoin addrs, you have to "burn" bitcoin to create newchain coin
1849 2011-01-29 23:10:50 <ArtForzZz> hrrrm... actually you could even technically keep it the same chain
1850 2011-01-29 23:11:29 <noagendamarket> no one will ned to worry about ipv4 addresses for a long time...
1851 2011-01-29 23:11:32 <theymos> Couldn't you just keep everything, but increase the version numbers?
1852 2011-01-29 23:11:33 <noagendamarket> lol
1853 2011-01-29 23:11:40 <lfm> whst? you mean like sending txn to address 1111111111111111111114oLvT2 (all zero key)
1854 2011-01-29 23:11:49 <ArtForzZz> not quite
1855 2011-01-29 23:11:59 <Vladimir> Cusipzz: as Bill Gates said one day: "who would ever need more than 640kB of RAM?"
1856 2011-01-29 23:12:14 <Cusipzzz> Vladimir: lol, i'll take my chances on this one :)
1857 2011-01-29 23:12:28 <noagendamarket> just dont let the government inefficiently hand out blocks of bitcin addresses like they did with ip addresses
1858 2011-01-29 23:12:59 <noagendamarket> who will ever use a mouse? John c dvorak...
1859 2011-01-29 23:13:00 <ArtForzZz> more like a (push newchain hash160) (push false) return scriptpubkey<
1860 2011-01-29 23:13:16 <Kiba> hello
1861 2011-01-29 23:13:39 <xelister> who will need possibility to take *back* an nobel price? -- Noble commitet
1862 2011-01-29 23:13:49 <Kiba> man, I get too worked up about politics sometime
1863 2011-01-29 23:13:57 <xelister> *nobel
1864 2011-01-29 23:14:05 <Kiba> why does Obama deserve the Nobel Peace Prize?
1865 2011-01-29 23:14:29 <ArtForzZz> actually for IPv4 government inefficiency only plays a minor role
1866 2011-01-29 23:14:30 <molecular> what? I thought wikileaks would get that!
1867 2011-01-29 23:14:56 <ArtForzZz> reclaiming most of Class A space would only buy a few years
1868 2011-01-29 23:15:01 <xelister> Kiba: because he stoped opression of Iraq people, closed illegal concentration camps run by usa, reduced opression, TSA and othe abuse of own and foreign people.
1869 2011-01-29 23:15:05 <xelister> ... no, wait
1870 2011-01-29 23:15:11 <theymos> Mostly I think IANA just never anticipated the Internet's wide use.
1871 2011-01-29 23:15:38 <ArtForzZz> and mobile devices needing IPs
1872 2011-01-29 23:15:39 <Kiba> I think Tsunia protestors deserve the peace prize!
1873 2011-01-29 23:16:07 <ArtForzZz> but yeah, 4 billion addresses probably looked like a lot back then
1874 2011-01-29 23:16:08 <noagendamarket> xelister lol
1875 2011-01-29 23:16:21 <ArtForzZz> of course IPv6 fixes it properly
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1877 2011-01-29 23:16:34 <xelister> untill we start connecting to borgs
1878 2011-01-29 23:16:36 <noagendamarket> it gives everything an ip address
1879 2011-01-29 23:16:56 <noagendamarket> if they put chips in cash your money could have an ip address
1880 2011-01-29 23:17:04 <noagendamarket> then they can block it
1881 2011-01-29 23:17:14 <lfm> xelister I think the borg already have they're own chunk of ipv6
1882 2011-01-29 23:17:19 <xelister> we will assimilate your technology advantage... mumhmhmLOL, nah we are just kidding, gtfo of my galaxy, technology rednecks, how you want to connect o to our 10^12 nodes
1883 2011-01-29 23:17:19 <Vladimir> yea I recall Coca-Cola had like it's own class A network, so they used it on intranet and handed out to every little branch it's won class C network, along with instructions like for printer use x.x.x.56, for file server x.x.x.67 etc
1884 2011-01-29 23:17:19 <noagendamarket> so do sopmething they don tlike and suddenly your cash dpoesnt work
1885 2011-01-29 23:17:32 <ArtForzZz> actually with 2**128 IPs, you could probably hand each molecule its own IP...
1886 2011-01-29 23:18:14 <Vladimir> and I mean public IP space
1887 2011-01-29 23:18:20 <ArtForzZz> yup
1888 2011-01-29 23:18:57 <ArtForzZz> IBM did pretty much the same, large firewalled off intranets using parts of the public IP space
1889 2011-01-29 23:19:07 <donpdonp> huricant electric ipv4 countdown shows 4 days left before they're all allocated. http://donpark.org/byebyeipv4/
1890 2011-01-29 23:19:19 <theymos> That's just the global pool.
1891 2011-01-29 23:19:32 <Diablo-D3> well
1892 2011-01-29 23:19:41 <Diablo-D3> no one thought we'd ever have more than 3 computers
1893 2011-01-29 23:19:43 <Diablo-D3> *cough*
1894 2011-01-29 23:19:45 <ArtForzZz> really makes sense if you have the IP space, no possiblility of "crap, 192.168.1.x on both ends" for tunnels
1895 2011-01-29 23:19:52 <donpdonp> theymos: yeah im guessing the ISPs have plenty of space in reserve, but its still significant
1896 2011-01-29 23:19:59 <Vladimir> someone should start BTC <-> IP exchange pronto
1897 2011-01-29 23:20:08 <theymos> ARIN and RIPE won't be exhausted for a while. And then the ISPs will probably trade amongst each other.
1898 2011-01-29 23:20:12 <ArtForzZz> APNIC will probaly be the first regional pool to run out
1899 2011-01-29 23:20:17 <Diablo-D3> ArtForzZz: well no
1900 2011-01-29 23:20:27 <Diablo-D3> they use that 10.* private block in corp networks usually
1901 2011-01-29 23:20:31 <Diablo-D3> its really hard to use that many
1902 2011-01-29 23:20:41 <Diablo-D3> you really do have to be IBM to fill that
1903 2011-01-29 23:20:51 <xelister> can they take back from like cocacola
1904 2011-01-29 23:21:11 <theymos> Why deal with the controversy? It won't buy us much time, anyway.
1905 2011-01-29 23:21:25 <Diablo-D3> theymos: because ISPs refuse to deploy ipv6
1906 2011-01-29 23:21:45 <theymos> They'll have to do it eventually.
1907 2011-01-29 23:21:46 <Diablo-D3> even though the internet itself internally routes and uses ipv6
1908 2011-01-29 23:22:14 <Diablo-D3> that "eventually" already came and went 5 years ago.
1909 2011-01-29 23:22:23 <Diablo-D3> the tier 1 providers should just refuse to route ipv4
1910 2011-01-29 23:22:25 <Vladimir> I own/run a small ISP and refuse to deploy ipv6 too... why bother? too much trouble
1911 2011-01-29 23:22:43 <xelister> Vladimir: eventuall there will be no other possiblity
1912 2011-01-29 23:22:44 <theymos> Maybe the owners of legacy assignments will sell the IPs to ISPs.
1913 2011-01-29 23:22:57 <Diablo-D3> Vladimir: because small ISPs are about to lose their blocks
1914 2011-01-29 23:23:22 <Vladimir> sure, but when you run biz you tend to be very practical about stuff
1915 2011-01-29 23:23:32 <donpdonp> one huge hurdle is all those actiontec and linksys routers that shipped without ipv6 support.
1916 2011-01-29 23:23:51 <Diablo-D3> Vladimir: yes, and when someone tells me "oh, you cant have more IPs, so no more customers for you" Im going to take note
1917 2011-01-29 23:23:51 <echelon> why does bitcoinmarket want paypal?
1918 2011-01-29 23:23:57 <echelon> oh
1919 2011-01-29 23:24:03 <Diablo-D3> donpdonp: not at all, just upgrade to openwrt or replace
1920 2011-01-29 23:24:16 <echelon> bitcoinmarket accepts paypal directly?
1921 2011-01-29 23:24:24 <ArtForzZz> no
1922 2011-01-29 23:24:34 <theymos> My favorite Tomato firmware doesn't support IPv6 yet. :(
1923 2011-01-29 23:24:36 <ArtForzZz> bitcoinmarket just handles the bitcoin side of things
1924 2011-01-29 23:24:39 <Diablo-D3> theymos: yes it does
1925 2011-01-29 23:24:47 <Vladimir> sure, I see your point, but until it really hurts the bottom line ISP's will not move on this one
1926 2011-01-29 23:24:48 <echelon> oh
1927 2011-01-29 23:24:48 <Diablo-D3> theymos: pretty sure they announced it
1928 2011-01-29 23:24:49 <donpdonp> Diablo-D3: openwrt is hardly an end user solution, and we're already seeing there is little financial incentive to replace hardware
1929 2011-01-29 23:25:03 <Diablo-D3> Vladimir: _not allowed to have any more customers_ is the ultimate damage to the bottom line
1930 2011-01-29 23:25:24 <Diablo-D3> donpdonp: openwrt IS an end user solution, many companies are shipping that instead of broadcom's blob
1931 2011-01-29 23:25:26 <xelister> Barack H. Obama The Nobel Peace Prize 2009 was awarded to Barack H. Obama "for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples".
1932 2011-01-29 23:25:28 <xelister> what?
1933 2011-01-29 23:25:38 <Diablo-D3> donpdonp: and many users are ALREADY upgrading hardware just to get wifi N and shit
1934 2011-01-29 23:25:46 <Vladimir> Diablo-D3: sure, but we not there yet
1935 2011-01-29 23:25:50 <ArtForzZz> "IPv4 IPs now cost extra" is a pretty good incentive to get customers to upgrade hardware
1936 2011-01-29 23:25:58 <donpdonp> Diablo-D3: many nerds sure. but the fact is the linksys and actiontec gear being sold today still does not support ipv6
1937 2011-01-29 23:26:01 <Diablo-D3> Vladimir: we passed the point that you NEED to have it done 5 years ago
1938 2011-01-29 23:26:11 <Diablo-D3> donpdonp: then thats a class action suit.
1939 2011-01-29 23:26:20 <Diablo-D3> donpdonp: ipv6 is now required for the internet, and has been for years.
1940 2011-01-29 23:26:26 <theymos> Diablo-D3: It seems the official version of Tomato doesn't support IPv6 yet. There are some mods, though.
1941 2011-01-29 23:26:31 <ArtForzZz> yeah, who cares what happens in a few deca... ye... months
1942 2011-01-29 23:26:33 <ArtForzZz> :P
1943 2011-01-29 23:26:42 <xelister> theymos: how is tomato working for you?
1944 2011-01-29 23:26:44 <Diablo-D3> theymos: tomato is also shit, people should be using openwrt.
1945 2011-01-29 23:26:47 <Cusipzzz> lol
1946 2011-01-29 23:27:03 <xelister> wait, tomato.. not the security framework.. nm
1947 2011-01-29 23:27:03 <ArtForzZz> used to run m0n0wall here
1948 2011-01-29 23:27:14 <Diablo-D3> ArtForzZz: which doesnt fit on a wrt.
1949 2011-01-29 23:27:19 <Diablo-D3> I'd love to see a bsd on wrt
1950 2011-01-29 23:27:24 <Diablo-D3> just for the better firewall
1951 2011-01-29 23:27:36 <ArtForzZz> yup
1952 2011-01-29 23:27:41 <Diablo-D3> pfsense > iptables
1953 2011-01-29 23:27:42 <Diablo-D3> by far
1954 2011-01-29 23:27:43 <ArtForzZz> iptables sucks balls
1955 2011-01-29 23:27:49 <ArtForzZz> yup
1956 2011-01-29 23:28:04 <ArtForzZz> only drawback of bsd, still partially broken ipv6 support
1957 2011-01-29 23:28:11 <Diablo-D3> depends which bsd
1958 2011-01-29 23:28:19 <ArtForzZz> all of em
1959 2011-01-29 23:28:20 <Diablo-D3> fbsd is falling apart
1960 2011-01-29 23:28:23 <theymos> I switched to Tomato after OpenWRT exhibited a port forwarding bug that prevented me from doing certain things. The Tomato interface is great, though, and I wouldn't switch back. I'd just set up my own Linux-based router if Tomato became insufficient for my needs.
1961 2011-01-29 23:28:32 <Diablo-D3> theymos: sounds like you didnt rtfm
1962 2011-01-29 23:28:34 <xelister> Obama -> nobel for being an Halfrican American
1963 2011-01-29 23:28:38 <xelister> >_>
1964 2011-01-29 23:28:43 <Cusipzzz> lol
1965 2011-01-29 23:28:45 <ArtForzZz> no BSD currently handles IPv6-FRAG properly :/
1966 2011-01-29 23:28:55 <Diablo-D3> ArtForzZz: huh weird
1967 2011-01-29 23:29:08 <Vladimir> Diablo-D3: I do not need, and many ISP's do not, actually many see lack of IP, as additional profit center, it is concern of those who have no IP's allocated, most ISP's have plenty of IP space to last them for years
1968 2011-01-29 23:29:16 <noagendamarket> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2376888,00.asp
1969 2011-01-29 23:29:35 <Diablo-D3> Vladimir: in other words, fuck you people. I pay enough for my internet, and I demand the real fucking internet
1970 2011-01-29 23:29:39 <Diablo-D3> no fucking nat, no fucking lack of ipv6
1971 2011-01-29 23:29:54 malfy has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1972 2011-01-29 23:29:58 <xelister> he said "you people"
1973 2011-01-29 23:29:59 <xelister> sue him
1974 2011-01-29 23:30:00 <Vladimir> look, it's not my fault, just telling as it is
1975 2011-01-29 23:30:00 <ArtForzZz> actually if you aren't stagnating and have enough IP space to last you for years, you probably violated pool rules...
1976 2011-01-29 23:30:10 <Diablo-D3> ArtForzZz: yup
1977 2011-01-29 23:30:17 <Diablo-D3> which means the pool can claim your blocks back
1978 2011-01-29 23:30:21 <Diablo-D3> and small ISPs are going to be first
1979 2011-01-29 23:30:37 <Diablo-D3> any ISP that cannot defend themselves in court will wake up one day and all their IPs are gone
1980 2011-01-29 23:30:58 <ArtForzZz> yup
1981 2011-01-29 23:31:10 <Diablo-D3> all they had to do is provide ipv6
1982 2011-01-29 23:31:13 <Diablo-D3> and no one would have noticed
1983 2011-01-29 23:31:22 <Vladimir> have you ever heard of "hedgehock defense"?
1984 2011-01-29 23:31:45 <Diablo-D3> yes, its called turtling.
1985 2011-01-29 23:31:47 <jwalck> anyone in here tested Catalyst 11.1 yet? I got some strange problems since installing it on Linux with Diablo-D3's miner
1986 2011-01-29 23:32:10 <Diablo-D3> jwalck: make sure you have crossfire off, DISPLAY set to :0, and SDK 2.1
1987 2011-01-29 23:32:38 <jwalck> Diablo-D3: It's a 5970, so crossfire reports whatever it wants to report. Runs on both core right now though
1988 2011-01-29 23:32:39 <Diablo-D3> Vladimir: however, the hidden counterattack is switching to ipv6.
1989 2011-01-29 23:32:52 <Vladimir> that's cool
1990 2011-01-29 23:33:00 <Diablo-D3> if you're not switching, you're already dead.
1991 2011-01-29 23:33:27 <Diablo-D3> jwalck: what exact problems are you having?
1992 2011-01-29 23:33:49 <Vladimir> bottom line: a small ISP can switch overnight, but will not do it unless it absolutely have to
1993 2011-01-29 23:34:06 <jwalck> Diablo-D3: The problem is high cpu load and not full speed on the cores, the combination 2.6.37-trunk/SDK 2.3/11.1 gives the highest result of about 70% GPU load
1994 2011-01-29 23:34:10 <Diablo-D3> Vladimir: you mean after all your customers quit because they couldnt connect to the internet?
1995 2011-01-29 23:34:21 <Diablo-D3> jwalck: this is with sdk 2.1?
1996 2011-01-29 23:34:21 <jwalck> Diablo-D3: SDK 2.1 a bit lower and a bit higher cpu load
1997 2011-01-29 23:34:30 <Diablo-D3> weird.
1998 2011-01-29 23:34:34 <Diablo-D3> I wonder if 11.1 is broken
1999 2011-01-29 23:34:40 <Vladimir> no, one day before that becomes a serious threat
2000 2011-01-29 23:35:04 <jwalck> Diablo-D3: its prolly my fault, when I roll back the problem only gets worse so cant get the nice low cpu load and 99% on both cores again right now
2001 2011-01-29 23:35:23 <Diablo-D3> Vladimir: it was a serious threat 5 years ago.
2002 2011-01-29 23:35:35 <jwalck> It worked beautifully until this morning when I installed 11.1
2003 2011-01-29 23:35:40 <Vladimir> so was year 2000 problem
2004 2011-01-29 23:35:43 <Diablo-D3> the solution must already be in place and have worked bug free for over a year before you lose ipv4.
2005 2011-01-29 23:35:53 <Diablo-D3> if it happens even a day before that, you've lost.
2006 2011-01-29 23:35:55 <Diablo-D3> and you go under.
2007 2011-01-29 23:36:01 <Diablo-D3> jwalck: hrrrrrm.
2008 2011-01-29 23:36:11 <Diablo-D3> jwalck: 11.1 might suck dick.
2009 2011-01-29 23:36:17 <ArtForzZz> major ISPs are already rolling out widescale IPv6 tests. guess they're doing that just for fun then.
2010 2011-01-29 23:36:28 <jwalck> Diablo-D3: this is entirely possible.:) thats why I asked if someone else had tried it
2011 2011-01-29 23:36:39 <ArtForzZz> major *consumer* ISPs
2012 2011-01-29 23:36:56 <Diablo-D3> jwalck: see if poclbm also fails
2013 2011-01-29 23:37:44 * noagendamarket buries his head in the ipv6 sand
2014 2011-01-29 23:38:06 <Vladimir> do not attack me like I say we do not need ipv6 at all, I just pointed out point of view of small, even tiny ISP insiders
2015 2011-01-29 23:38:26 <Diablo-D3> Vladimir: yes, and I already know quite a few people who work for both small and large ISPs
2016 2011-01-29 23:38:41 <Diablo-D3> people are shitting their pants over how stupid management is and let the problem grow so big
2017 2011-01-29 23:39:03 <jwalck> Diablo-D3: oh I didnt have pyopencl when I set the machine up so havent tried it, but I guess I should.:)
2018 2011-01-29 23:39:07 <Diablo-D3> this is costing ISPs more money now than if they would have done it when people who actually know what they're talking about told them to do it
2019 2011-01-29 23:39:37 <jwalck> Diablo-D3: btw, whats required to build your miner? I have no experience with maven and had no plans of learning it until... now:)
2020 2011-01-29 23:39:48 <Diablo-D3> jwalck: install maven, run mvn package
2021 2011-01-29 23:39:49 <lfm> it just human nature, procrastinate till you panic
2022 2011-01-29 23:39:59 <Diablo-D3> jwalck: and, obviously, have the matching jdk for your jre
2023 2011-01-29 23:40:07 <jwalck> Diablo-D3: that sounds resonable, ill try:)
2024 2011-01-29 23:40:42 malfy has joined
2025 2011-01-29 23:40:45 <jwalck> Diablo-D3: oh, forgot to mention I ran quite a few tests on both openjre and java6-jre (debian). Results similar though. Which one is recommended (fastest) for the miner?
2026 2011-01-29 23:41:14 <Diablo-D3> jwalck: sun java now ships a version of openjdk anyhow
2027 2011-01-29 23:41:19 <Diablo-D3> jwalck: they run, for this stuff, identically
2028 2011-01-29 23:41:54 <jwalck> oh, okay!:)
2029 2011-01-29 23:42:02 <jwalck> too long ago i worked with java it seem:)
2030 2011-01-29 23:50:58 <jwalck> install poclbm, but it doesnt want to communicate with the RPC (over ssh tunnel, works with diablo and netcat:)
2031 2011-01-29 23:51:37 <Vladimir> Diablo-D3: there is a subte difference between "I know people" and "I am the freaking person who owns, control and directly manages one of 65k Autonomous Systems in the world which make up the Internet"
2032 2011-01-29 23:52:03 <Diablo-D3> just one?
2033 2011-01-29 23:52:08 <Diablo-D3> call me when its all 65k.
2034 2011-01-29 23:52:10 <Vladimir> just one
2035 2011-01-29 23:52:46 <Cusipzzz> 65k ISPs ?
2036 2011-01-29 23:53:42 <Vladimir> Autonomous Systems
2037 2011-01-29 23:54:17 <Diablo-D3> Cusipzzz: you dont know what an AS number is?
2038 2011-01-29 23:55:25 <Cusipzzz> ya, just misread
2039 2011-01-29 23:55:29 <Diablo-D3> Vladimir: also, didnt they already switch to ints for that?
2040 2011-01-29 23:55:39 <echelon> anyone know how many confirmations btcsportsbet requires?
2041 2011-01-29 23:55:48 <Cusipzzz> echelon: 1
2042 2011-01-29 23:55:53 <echelon> nvm, that was fast
2043 2011-01-29 23:56:15 <Vladimir> they are trying
2044 2011-01-29 23:56:28 <Diablo-D3> its kind of silly though
2045 2011-01-29 23:56:38 <Diablo-D3> they could just switch to a secured version of BGP
2046 2011-01-29 23:56:47 <Diablo-D3> (which is what everyone is loading this shit into anyhow)
2047 2011-01-29 23:57:06 <Diablo-D3> I mean, its a public BGP table.
2048 2011-01-29 23:57:12 <Diablo-D3> _the_ public one, anyways
2049 2011-01-29 23:57:37 <Diablo-D3> its like a pissing contest for ISPs
2050 2011-01-29 23:57:42 <Diablo-D3> DURR HURR I HAVE A LOW AS
2051 2011-01-29 23:58:02 <Diablo-D3> thats like me coming in here and going
2052 2011-01-29 23:58:06 <Vladimir> looks at it from the other side, you are paying 100$ to ISP to give you Internet connection to you home, but they say: "here is your ipv6 address, you will be able to connect to like 2% of websites in the world, no sorry we have no ipv4 for you.." will you still pay?
2053 2011-01-29 23:58:09 <Diablo-D3> DURR HURR I HAVE A SLASHDOT UID THATS 4 DIGITS
2054 2011-01-29 23:58:23 <Diablo-D3> Vladimir: yes, because ipv6 already routes ipv4.
2055 2011-01-29 23:58:42 <Diablo-D3> the last router in the chain converts it to native ipv4.
2056 2011-01-29 23:58:52 <Diablo-D3> its native ipv6 the whole way up to that point