1 2011-01-30 00:01:20 <luke-jr> So⦠3 people are opposed to allowing sub-cent transactions over RPC, and 6 people want some solution: 3 like RPC v1, 2 want to just stop rounding RPC v0, and 2 don't know how they want it solvedâ¦
2 2011-01-30 00:02:22 <theymos> I just want numbers to be treated as strings and interpreted exactly as written. I don't want extra units.
3 2011-01-30 00:03:10 <Cusipzzz> i'd vote for that
4 2011-01-30 00:03:13 <Cusipzzz> :)
5 2011-01-30 00:03:20 <Diablo-D3> you mena
6 2011-01-30 00:03:21 <luke-jr> theymos: that's basically RPC v1 :p
7 2011-01-30 00:03:22 <Diablo-D3> DNS
8 2011-01-30 00:03:23 <Diablo-D3> ;)
9 2011-01-30 00:05:09 <luke-jr> although due to the nature of JSON, you could still write 1e8 to get 1 BTC
10 2011-01-30 00:08:54 <jwalck> Diablo-D3: build was a success but as I guessed it didnt change anything. How do you run poclbm with both gpus? launch two processes?
11 2011-01-30 00:11:42 <echelon> someone should put up a warning next to the vekja link on the bc trade page that their ewallet isn't withdrawing
12 2011-01-30 00:13:22 <Diablo-D3> jwalck: yeah, and use -d 0 on one -d 1 on the other
13 2011-01-30 00:13:49 <theymos> echelon: Did you email Vekja about it? Probably they just broke something accidentally.
14 2011-01-30 00:14:10 <echelon> theymos, i got a response but nothing has been done about it yet
15 2011-01-30 00:14:58 <theymos> Sirius maintains the trade page.
16 2011-01-30 00:15:29 <theymos> What did Vekja say?
17 2011-01-30 00:15:29 <Vladimir> Diablo-D3: you are actually absolutely correct, it is like "its like a pissing contest for ISPs", plus letting ipv6 pioneers to get all those arrows in their backs first, this ipv4 stuff is not unlike bitcoins, you know. You are not mad at ArtForz for getting so many bitcoins while the going was easy, are you?
18 2011-01-30 00:15:53 <jwalck> Diablo-D3: they end up on the same core! prolly crossfire issues then I guess
19 2011-01-30 00:15:57 <Diablo-D3> Vladimir: yes I am mad
20 2011-01-30 00:15:59 <Diablo-D3> he should share
21 2011-01-30 00:16:10 <Vladimir> me too (secretly)
22 2011-01-30 00:16:25 <echelon> "Hello, I will look into this right now for you." 8hrs20min ago
23 2011-01-30 00:16:28 <Diablo-D3> jwalck: force it with DISPLAY=:0.0 and :0.1
24 2011-01-30 00:18:07 <jwalck> Diablo-D3: oh! when the first thread starts the other gpu disappears from the list
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26 2011-01-30 00:19:10 <Diablo-D3> heh weird
27 2011-01-30 00:20:44 <noagendamarket> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/jan/04/facebook-dst-goldman-sachs heh
28 2011-01-30 00:21:56 <jwalck> Diablo-D3: nvm me being silly. DISPLAY=:0.1 made poclbm detect no GPUs at all
29 2011-01-30 00:22:04 <Diablo-D3> lol
30 2011-01-30 00:22:14 <Diablo-D3> jwalck: dont use -d if you use that trick
31 2011-01-30 00:22:27 <jwalck> but anyway, if i initiate on on the second gpu, and then the other on the first both go on second. reverse order and both are on the first gpu
32 2011-01-30 00:22:45 <Diablo-D3> jwalck: yes
33 2011-01-30 00:22:55 <Diablo-D3> :0.1 the second gpu is first, the first issecond
34 2011-01-30 00:23:03 <Diablo-D3> :0.0 first is first second is second
35 2011-01-30 00:23:12 <Diablo-D3> (rotate appropriately if you have more than two)
36 2011-01-30 00:23:37 <Diablo-D3> so you use -d 0 (or no -d) on both :0.0 and :0.1
37 2011-01-30 00:23:48 <Diablo-D3> or you use :0.0 on both, and use -d 0 and -d1
38 2011-01-30 00:23:50 <jwalck> Diablo-D3: with only DISPLAY and no -d it asks for me to supply -d
39 2011-01-30 00:23:55 <Diablo-D3> huh
40 2011-01-30 00:23:57 <Diablo-D3> well see above
41 2011-01-30 00:24:05 <Diablo-D3> m0 has done some changes when I last cared to look
42 2011-01-30 00:24:08 <Diablo-D3> jwalck: either way
43 2011-01-30 00:24:10 <Diablo-D3> this is overkill
44 2011-01-30 00:24:14 <Diablo-D3> do it on one, double the answer
45 2011-01-30 00:24:31 <Diablo-D3> if its still running slow as shit and using lots of cpu, the issue still exists
46 2011-01-30 00:25:14 <Vladimir> noagendamarket: they have so much money, that these money ought to pop up here and there, just like some Bill Gates charity money, reportedly, popped up financing Al Quaeda or something like that , some years ago, for example
47 2011-01-30 00:25:36 <Diablo-D3> jwalck: btw, you're waiting at least a minute before checking my miner, right?
48 2011-01-30 00:25:43 <Diablo-D3> jwalck: it uses all your cpu for the first minute
49 2011-01-30 00:25:54 <jwalck> Diablo-D3: yeah
50 2011-01-30 00:27:42 <Diablo-D3> btw
51 2011-01-30 00:27:47 <Diablo-D3> try experimenting with other sdks too
52 2011-01-30 00:27:49 <jwalck> I'm wroking on the machine next to it so ive run a bunch of tests during the day:)
53 2011-01-30 00:28:27 <jwalck> are there any alternatives to AMD/ATI? or do you just mean different versions?
54 2011-01-30 00:28:35 <Diablo-D3> other versions
55 2011-01-30 00:28:37 <Diablo-D3> try 2.3
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57 2011-01-30 00:29:01 <jwalck> I try 2.1 and 2.3
58 2011-01-30 00:29:29 <Diablo-D3> 2.3 still used a lot of cpu and had low mhash?
59 2011-01-30 00:29:40 <jwalck> nope, they are very close to eachother
60 2011-01-30 00:29:57 <jwalck> both use too much cpu, and give similar not full utilization of both gpus
61 2011-01-30 00:30:02 <Diablo-D3> huh.
62 2011-01-30 00:30:07 <Diablo-D3> setup 2.3 and...
63 2011-01-30 00:30:09 <Diablo-D3> edit the sh file
64 2011-01-30 00:30:14 <Diablo-D3> see the line that exports a variable?
65 2011-01-30 00:30:19 <Diablo-D3> comment it out with a #
66 2011-01-30 00:31:32 <jwalck> export GPU_USE_SYNC_OBJECTS=1?
67 2011-01-30 00:31:35 <Diablo-D3> yeah
68 2011-01-30 00:31:45 <jwalck> its gone, and 2.3...
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71 2011-01-30 00:34:15 <jwalck> Diablo-D3: so far it looks the same
72 2011-01-30 00:35:16 <jwalck> 70/60% utilization reported by aticofing --odgc and 30-40% load on the java process with top
73 2011-01-30 00:42:17 <jwalck> to change opencl version, all I do is change the environment variables right? Not the icd stuff?
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78 2011-01-30 00:53:08 <Diablo-D3> jwalck: yeah
79 2011-01-30 00:53:11 <Diablo-D3> so
80 2011-01-30 00:53:12 <Diablo-D3> wtf
81 2011-01-30 00:53:14 <Diablo-D3> 11.1 must be fucked
82 2011-01-30 00:54:51 <Kiba> phew
83 2011-01-30 00:54:53 <Kiba> pretty damn tired
84 2011-01-30 01:00:11 <jwalck> Diablo-D3: yeah, problem is I cannot revert. or at least failed last time. should I try 10.11 or 10.12?
85 2011-01-30 01:00:33 <Diablo-D3> .11 probably
86 2011-01-30 01:01:36 <jwalck> and 2.6.32 then? dont think that will compile against 2.6.37
87 2011-01-30 01:14:47 <luke-jr> only 10.12 works for me
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89 2011-01-30 01:15:06 <jwalck> Diablo-D3: initial results 2.6.32/SDK 2.1 and 2.3, starting poclbm on core 2 gives 3939726d, invalid or stale
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92 2011-01-30 01:31:36 <molecular> ;;bc,diff
93 2011-01-30 01:31:37 <gribble> 22012.4941572
94 2011-01-30 01:31:43 <molecular> ;;bc,info
95 2011-01-30 01:31:43 <gribble> Error: "bc,info" is not a valid command.
96 2011-01-30 01:31:48 <molecular> ;;bc,help
97 2011-01-30 01:31:48 <gribble> Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,labs, Alias bc,lbs, Alias bc,markets, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,poolstats, Alias bc,stats, Alias bc,timetonext, Alias bc,totalbc, and Alias bc,wiki
98 2011-01-30 01:32:00 <molecular> ;;bc,stats
99 2011-01-30 01:32:02 <gribble> Current Blocks: 105256 | Current Difficulty: 22012.4941572 | Next Difficulty At Block: 106847 | Next Difficulty In: 1591 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 4 hours, 23 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23936.09701725
100 2011-01-30 01:35:32 <jwalck> fyi 10.12 was a bit more interesting, two poclbm and both cores in use, but one is running super slow!
101 2011-01-30 01:36:19 <Diablo-D3> jwalck: heh
102 2011-01-30 01:36:25 <lfm> ;;bc,lbs
103 2011-01-30 01:36:27 <gribble> Error: "curblockstats" is not a valid command.
104 2011-01-30 01:36:31 <Diablo-D3> try using either :0 on both with -d 0 and 1
105 2011-01-30 01:36:43 <Diablo-D3> or :0.0 and :0.1 -d 0 and -d 0
106 2011-01-30 01:36:57 <jwalck> first one tried, second one...
107 2011-01-30 01:37:24 <jwalck> doesnt work:(
108 2011-01-30 01:38:00 <Diablo-D3> it should
109 2011-01-30 01:38:06 <Diablo-D3> or maybe it shouldnt
110 2011-01-30 01:38:08 * Diablo-D3 shrugs
111 2011-01-30 01:38:12 <Diablo-D3> this is why I like mine
112 2011-01-30 01:38:13 <Diablo-D3> I coded it
113 2011-01-30 01:38:17 <Diablo-D3> it does exactly what I want when I want it
114 2011-01-30 01:41:17 <jwalck> Diablo-D3: I like yours too, 11.1 screwed everything up tho:)
115 2011-01-30 01:41:40 <jwalck> Now I got yours to SIGSEGV!
116 2011-01-30 01:42:01 <jwalck> just my own compile, the binary release runs
117 2011-01-30 01:43:27 <ArtForzZz> rofl, java miner segfaulting
118 2011-01-30 01:44:27 <jwalck> ArtForzZz: you seem to have plenty of experience with 5970s ;) any advice if youve seen parts of the backlog?
119 2011-01-30 01:44:47 <ArtForzZz> dunno, didnt try 11.1 yet
120 2011-01-30 01:44:58 <ArtForzZz> I'm kinda cautionous with new ati driver releases
121 2011-01-30 01:45:05 <ArtForzZz> they tend to break shit FNAR
122 2011-01-30 01:45:06 <jwalck> but the problem remains in different forms after reverting, which is weird
123 2011-01-30 01:45:22 <jwalck> thinking of installing a fresh squeeze on a thumb drive, that only takes like 30 mins.
124 2011-01-30 01:45:25 <ArtForzZz> check if crossifr eis really disabled
125 2011-01-30 01:45:42 <ArtForzZz> reinstalling driver likes to reenable crossfire for some reason
126 2011-01-30 01:46:02 <jwalck> --lsch says disabled, --lscs says enabled
127 2011-01-30 01:46:13 <jwalck> if i delete the cf chain both goes enabled with a new one
128 2011-01-30 01:46:50 <ArtForzZz> you'll probably have to do a bunch of crossfire disabling, chain deleting and X restarting
129 2011-01-30 01:49:45 <jwalck> i can continue with that for a bit, thanks:)
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131 2011-01-30 01:57:57 <joe_1> i'm thinking of beginning work on upgrading the bitcoin client for bitX
132 2011-01-30 02:00:02 <MT`AwAy> gah
133 2011-01-30 02:00:07 <MT`AwAy> stupid bug with wrong url >.<
134 2011-01-30 02:03:06 skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
135 2011-01-30 02:04:49 <joe_1> ok no objections, guess i'll begin work!
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138 2011-01-30 02:12:05 <luke-jr> joe_1: wtf is bitX
139 2011-01-30 02:12:47 <joe_1> it allows there to be an arbitrary number of coinbases
140 2011-01-30 02:13:22 <joe_1> specifically for a new coinbase for bitDNS
141 2011-01-30 02:13:35 <molecular> ;;bc,nexttarget
142 2011-01-30 02:13:36 <gribble> 106847
143 2011-01-30 02:13:47 <molecular> ;;bc,estimate
144 2011-01-30 02:13:47 <gribble> 23983.14585660
145 2011-01-30 02:14:00 <andrew12> ;;bc,stats
146 2011-01-30 02:14:02 <gribble> Current Blocks: 105260 | Current Difficulty: 22012.4941572 | Next Difficulty At Block: 106847 | Next Difficulty In: 1587 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 3 hours, 20 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23983.14585660
147 2011-01-30 02:14:38 <molecular> that estimate is based on current mining power, assuming no new miners will join, right?
148 2011-01-30 02:15:59 <Vladimir> joe_1: I'd be happy to test, mine bitDNS as soon as you have something
149 2011-01-30 02:18:04 <joe_1> ok, DNS will take some additional time to complete. BitX is the groundwork to allow the DNS chain to coexist.
150 2011-01-30 02:19:39 andrew12 has quit (Quit: parting is such sweet sorrow...)
151 2011-01-30 02:20:13 <Vladimir> standing by... for bitDNS :-)
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156 2011-01-30 02:55:48 <luke-jr> joe_1: why?
157 2011-01-30 02:56:09 * Kiba is tired
158 2011-01-30 02:57:04 <joe_1> which part?
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160 2011-01-30 02:57:13 <Kiba> The BX?
161 2011-01-30 02:57:43 <joe_1> satoshi alluded to this in a post before he disappeared, i'll try to find it
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163 2011-01-30 02:59:21 <joe_1> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1790.msg28715#msg28715
164 2011-01-30 02:59:56 <Kiba> do car driving tired out people faster?
165 2011-01-30 02:59:58 <theymos> Even if a miner is able to work on two chains at once at no extra cost, why would he work on a DNS chain when he gets nothing in reward?
166 2011-01-30 03:01:08 <Kiba> so he can sell them for bitcoin, theymos
167 2011-01-30 03:01:18 <joe_1> dns miners would enforce payment on the bitcoin chain
168 2011-01-30 03:01:47 <sipa> ;;bc,stats
169 2011-01-30 03:01:49 <gribble> Current Blocks: 105267 | Current Difficulty: 22012.4941572 | Next Difficulty At Block: 106847 | Next Difficulty In: 1580 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 1 hour, 49 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 24043.29437054
170 2011-01-30 03:01:56 <Vladimir> or register sex.bitdns google.dns and such
171 2011-01-30 03:05:08 <Vladimir> with higher difficulty these days, some miners would be happy to support new block chain, if there is a good incentive
172 2011-01-30 03:06:09 <lfm> difficulty wouldn't be any less
173 2011-01-30 03:07:06 <Vladimir> do you mean that it would be part of bitcoin block chain?
174 2011-01-30 03:07:07 <joe_1> difficulty may be *slightly* less on a second chain, as not all bitcoin miners will also mine the other chain
175 2011-01-30 03:08:09 <joe_1> it will be tucked away into a no-op transaction on each bitcoin block. so the bitcoin network will be oblivious to it except that it's 128 bytes of "junk" on each block. And, if i'm right about this no-op transaction, there will be zero changes to the bitcoin protocol.
176 2011-01-30 03:08:39 <theymos> Trying to limit the number of names a miner could generate would restrict the market (or allow too much squatting). DNS needs to consist of proof that the registrant paid *some* arbitrary amount so clients can filter registrations as they choose.
177 2011-01-30 03:09:16 <joe_1> the 128 bytes is the head of a merkle tree that would contain an unlimited number of dns transactions.
178 2011-01-30 03:12:49 <Vladimir> how economics of bitDNS would work? i.e. in bitcoin we have difficulty changes based on amount of miners working therefore balancing supply and demand, how it would be balanced in bitDNS?
179 2011-01-30 03:14:43 <joe_1> there are definitely a lot of unanswered questions about "initial distribution" of DNS names, how to determine registration fees, monthly fees, transaction fees, etc. Right now my focus is to get the bitcoin client to understand that there can be other coinbases in the fake transaction. These other coinbases could have any kind of rules they want; block reward, no block reward, format of
180 2011-01-30 03:14:43 <joe_1> transactions, etc etc etc
181 2011-01-30 03:15:33 <Vladimir> yea it is bitX, basically
182 2011-01-30 03:15:54 <joe_1> yea. but it won't impact bitcoin at all.
183 2011-01-30 03:17:18 <Vladimir> but than it means that bitcoin miners, would just get some additional reward via bitX for solving the next bitcoin block, right?
184 2011-01-30 03:20:45 <Vladimir> so you basically working on implementing bitX along the lines of that Satoshi's post you've linked above
185 2011-01-30 03:21:18 <joe_1> assuming the miner's block contains valid data for the dns chain, yes they will get the additional reward
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187 2011-01-30 03:21:28 <joe_1> yeah hopeing to do it along the lines of the satoshi post
188 2011-01-30 03:23:30 <Vladimir> good stuff
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190 2011-01-30 03:46:45 <jgarzik> Vladimir: PM'd you
191 2011-01-30 03:46:56 <Vladimir> k
192 2011-01-30 03:53:55 <Vladimir> I could take payments in 5970's, lol
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194 2011-01-30 04:22:25 <echelon> MT`AwAy
195 2011-01-30 04:24:13 <MT`AwAy> echelon: ?
196 2011-01-30 04:24:36 <echelon> i lost the page where i could check how much is deposited
197 2011-01-30 04:26:08 <MT`AwAy> echelon: for the order ?
198 2011-01-30 04:26:22 <echelon> yeah, i have the order # though
199 2011-01-30 04:26:32 <MT`AwAy> echelon: tell me that in private then
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201 2011-01-30 04:32:17 <andrew12^mac> /join #bitcoin-dev,#bitcoin-discussion,#bitcoin-otc,#bitcoin-market,#bitcoin-monitor,#bitcoin-discussion
202 2011-01-30 04:32:23 <andrew12^mac> woo!
203 2011-01-30 04:32:33 <andrew12^mac> and we got my internet fixed. my mom changed her password. heh
204 2011-01-30 04:33:59 * luke-jr needs to put out an ad for true nerds <.<
205 2011-01-30 04:43:24 <luke-jr> aha
206 2011-01-30 04:43:28 <luke-jr> perfect analogy:
207 2011-01-30 04:43:49 <luke-jr> Porting AppX to Linux = Porting BitCoin to Tonal
208 2011-01-30 04:44:37 <luke-jr> Windows "geeks" will mock the Linux user who wants to port it, just the same as some people here who mock the port of Bitcoin to Tonal :P
209 2011-01-30 04:48:45 <luke-jr> andrew12^mac: what do you think? accurate enough analogy?
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211 2011-01-30 04:52:44 <Kiba> luke-jr: prove us wrong
212 2011-01-30 04:52:56 <luke-jr> Kiba: prove the Windows user wrong
213 2011-01-30 04:53:35 <luke-jr> it's not right and wrong anywayt
214 2011-01-30 04:53:44 <luke-jr> it's just a different platform ;)
215 2011-01-30 04:54:28 <Kiba> riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
216 2011-01-30 04:55:00 <luke-jr> Kiba: fine, go back about your business, ignorant Windows user âº
217 2011-01-30 04:55:12 <andrew12^mac> luke-jr: i dnot get it
218 2011-01-30 04:55:25 <luke-jr> right, you use Mac⦠sorry XD
219 2011-01-30 04:55:37 <andrew12^mac> ...
220 2011-01-30 04:55:40 * luke-jr tries to think of an analogy that includes Mac :p
221 2011-01-30 04:55:50 <andrew12^mac> I use linuxtoo
222 2011-01-30 04:55:52 xelister has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
223 2011-01-30 04:55:53 <andrew12^mac> linux too*
224 2011-01-30 04:55:55 <Kiba> man
225 2011-01-30 04:55:56 <Kiba> I am tired
226 2011-01-30 04:55:56 <andrew12^mac> even so, i still don't get it
227 2011-01-30 04:56:01 * Kiba is an arch linux user
228 2011-01-30 04:56:02 <andrew12^mac> Kiba: go to sleep? :P
229 2011-01-30 04:56:03 <luke-jr> actually, better analogy might be Decimal=Windows, Hexadecimal=Linux, Tonal=Mac
230 2011-01-30 04:56:18 <Kiba> you like mac, luke-jr?
231 2011-01-30 04:56:21 <luke-jr> unless Mac actually passed Linux in market share?
232 2011-01-30 04:56:24 <luke-jr> Kiba: no, I hate it
233 2011-01-30 04:56:25 * andrew12^mac still doesn't get it
234 2011-01-30 04:56:29 <luke-jr> was just going based on marketshares
235 2011-01-30 04:56:47 <Kiba> android will killz the iphone!
236 2011-01-30 04:56:52 <andrew12^mac> !!!!!!!!!!!
237 2011-01-30 04:57:11 <luke-jr> andrew12^mac: if a Linux developer ports a Windows app to Linux, the primary Windows developers of the app might mock or otherwise downplay the port, just like some people here downplay the Tonal Bitcoin variant
238 2011-01-30 04:57:16 <Kiba> ah, the paradise of cheap 150 dollars phone and contractless monthly plan
239 2011-01-30 04:57:16 <luke-jr> Kiba: iWhat?
240 2011-01-30 04:57:36 <luke-jr> Kiba: Android killed iPhone a while ago
241 2011-01-30 04:57:37 <luke-jr> :p
242 2011-01-30 04:58:29 * andrew12^mac has an androd
243 2011-01-30 04:58:32 <andrew12^mac> android8
244 2011-01-30 04:58:35 <andrew12^mac> android*
245 2011-01-30 04:58:51 * luke-jr just has Gentoo on his "phone"
246 2011-01-30 04:59:02 <luke-jr> with KDE
247 2011-01-30 04:59:43 <Kiba> must be a slowass phone to use
248 2011-01-30 05:00:42 <luke-jr> nah not really
249 2011-01-30 05:00:47 <luke-jr> just when I hit swap
250 2011-01-30 05:00:56 <andrew12^mac> ew kde
251 2011-01-30 05:01:03 <luke-jr> ew mac
252 2011-01-30 05:01:06 <andrew12^mac> krappy desktop environment
253 2011-01-30 05:01:19 <luke-jr> I agree, it's quite crappy
254 2011-01-30 05:01:23 <luke-jr> but still the best that exists
255 2011-01-30 05:01:25 <Kiba> I used xmonad
256 2011-01-30 05:01:31 <andrew12^mac> i use a tty.
257 2011-01-30 05:01:39 <andrew12^mac> lol
258 2011-01-30 05:01:41 <luke-jr> andrew12^mac: on your phone?
259 2011-01-30 05:01:45 <andrew12^mac> no :P
260 2011-01-30 05:02:05 <andrew12^mac> i use fluxbox on my desktop sometimes though
261 2011-01-30 05:02:13 <andrew12^mac> i wonder if its possible to get an android to do verbose boot
262 2011-01-30 05:03:24 <andrew12^mac> "verbose ipads look cool -- http://yfrog.com/f/eu1r7j/"
263 2011-01-30 05:03:41 <andrew12^mac> s/f\///
264 2011-01-30 05:12:25 * Kiba remember a long forum thread on Mises
265 2011-01-30 05:12:34 <Kiba> why do libertarians reject their bitcoin kins? :(
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268 2011-01-30 05:16:18 <citizen> anyone know if there's a way to hide m0mchil's miner - so it's not completely visible
269 2011-01-30 05:19:44 <citizen> i think i found a way :)
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281 2011-01-30 06:09:22 <nevezen> g
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289 2011-01-30 06:24:07 <doublec> is there a way to merge two wallet.dat's?
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291 2011-01-30 06:26:09 <Netsniper> send the coins from client to client?
292 2011-01-30 06:26:40 <doublec> I've done that but I've published addresses from both wallets and I want a single wallet that can still receive from those addresses
293 2011-01-30 06:27:06 <doublec> otherwise anything sent to those addresses will be lost forever
294 2011-01-30 06:28:12 <doublec> I might just back one wallet up and periodically check the addresses in it and restore it when they get funds
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297 2011-01-30 06:43:45 <MT`AwAy> let's suppose I modify my bitcoin client to always remove 0.005 bitcoins from the amounts I send, will receivers still see the amount they asked for? :D (ie, is bitcoin rounding?) If so, anyone could save half a bitcoin cent on each payment, and profit (until he's taken down by the people he sent coins to)
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299 2011-01-30 06:45:34 <lfm> i think it truncates
300 2011-01-30 06:45:43 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: if they use the stock bitcoin gui client, they won't see it until they get at least two of these.
301 2011-01-30 06:45:59 <MT`AwAy> nanotube: yep, but they won't see it on the individual transactions
302 2011-01-30 06:46:04 <MT`AwAy> and bitcoind has probably the same problem
303 2011-01-30 06:46:12 <nanotube> well, bitcoind doesn't round the balance
304 2011-01-30 06:46:21 <lfm> bitcoind shows all 8 digits
305 2011-01-30 06:46:26 <nanotube> and maybe it doesn't round listtransactions either?
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307 2011-01-30 06:46:45 <MT`AwAy> ah yeah
308 2011-01-30 06:47:07 <MT`AwAy> didn't check that lately
309 2011-01-30 06:47:15 <MT`AwAy> in fact haven't checked at all :D
310 2011-01-30 06:51:11 <nanotube> hehe
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328 2011-01-30 08:16:24 <Vladimir> mrb_: you have pm
329 2011-01-30 08:19:43 <mrb_> Vladimir: replied
330 2011-01-30 08:45:56 <joe_1> is the nanaimo gold exchange operator here
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345 2011-01-30 09:33:08 <niekie> Reopping users...
346 2011-01-30 09:45:02 <echelon> forgot me
347 2011-01-30 09:45:41 <echelon> cool.. you're with cacert?
348 2011-01-30 09:45:50 <joe_1> me to
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350 2011-01-30 09:46:07 <echelon> :D
351 2011-01-30 09:46:14 <echelon> joe_1, how is mullvad working out for you?
352 2011-01-30 09:46:20 <joe_1> it's better lately
353 2011-01-30 09:46:30 <echelon> is it a shared ip?
354 2011-01-30 09:46:55 <joe_1> mullvad has about 4 outward facing IP addresses, something like m1.mullvad.net through m4.mullvad.net
355 2011-01-30 09:47:11 <echelon> hmm kk
356 2011-01-30 09:47:19 <joe_1> you randomly get one of them, and you get assigned one incoming port
357 2011-01-30 09:47:43 <echelon> ah nice, so i can still run a tor port :)
358 2011-01-30 09:47:49 <niekie> echelon: I'm just a lowly assurer ;-)
359 2011-01-30 09:47:59 <echelon> still cool ^_^
360 2011-01-30 09:48:17 <echelon> joe_1, is bandwidth metered?
361 2011-01-30 09:48:38 <joe_1> my torrents can come down at about 130 kB/s
362 2011-01-30 09:48:47 <joe_1> so it's OK... i cant watch high def youtube videos too well though
363 2011-01-30 09:49:10 <echelon> i meant, there's no bandwidth limit per month?
364 2011-01-30 09:49:18 <joe_1> no
365 2011-01-30 09:49:22 <echelon> capped at like 100gb or something
366 2011-01-30 09:49:23 <echelon> kk
367 2011-01-30 09:49:51 <echelon> i'll try it, but that'll just mean less bandwidth for you ;)
368 2011-01-30 09:50:06 <joe_1> hopefully not
369 2011-01-30 09:50:12 <echelon> hehe
370 2011-01-30 09:50:46 <joe_1> well, a while ago i was looking for a solution with my ip routing table on my end, so that i can run my webserver through the mullvad VPN, and do everything else on my regular connection. it was so hard that i gave up, and nobody i asked knew what to do.
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372 2011-01-30 09:51:19 <echelon> i'm guessing they wouldn't allow you to use port 80
373 2011-01-30 09:51:52 <joe_1> no, to do that you have to buy a kalyhost VPS
374 2011-01-30 09:52:20 <echelon> i just bought a domain off kalyhost, pretty good price :)
375 2011-01-30 09:52:27 <joe_1> thats cool
376 2011-01-30 09:53:10 <ducki2p> how would you test if an account exists in the wallet, using the API?
377 2011-01-30 09:53:47 <joe_1> i think you can get its balance and compare to zero, ..... let me look. i just checked out the client code so i have it up on the screen.
378 2011-01-30 09:54:18 <ducki2p> getbalance returns
379 2011-01-30 09:54:35 <ducki2p> getbalance returns 0.00000000 for a non-existing account as well
380 2011-01-30 09:54:49 <midnightmagic_> there is a tonne of functionality missing from the straight API which is partially included in trunk. do you have scm sync'd?
381 2011-01-30 09:55:03 <tcatm> ducki2p: see if it shows in listaccounts
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383 2011-01-30 09:56:11 <joe_1> getaddressesbyaccount(account). Check for an empty array returned.
384 2011-01-30 09:56:40 <ducki2p> ah cool. thanks joe_1 that would work best
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386 2011-01-30 09:58:49 <joe_1> what is scm
387 2011-01-30 09:59:58 <ducki2p> a Scheme implementation I think
388 2011-01-30 10:00:44 <midnightmagic_> :) source control.
389 2011-01-30 10:01:11 <joe_1> i have no clue what i'm doing. i downloaded the git stuff and checked out bitcoin from github today.
390 2011-01-30 10:01:16 <ducki2p> yeah I am at Subversion HEAD
391 2011-01-30 10:01:46 <ducki2p> git reluctant to depend on the git repo
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395 2011-01-30 11:05:35 <joe_1> is there a way to insert arbitrary data into a bitcoin transaction
396 2011-01-30 11:07:10 <tcatm> no
397 2011-01-30 11:07:19 <sipa> in the amount you can probably put a few bits, though you pay for those
398 2011-01-30 11:08:15 <sipa> and in the script you could, put since nonstandard scripts arent accepted for mining anymore...
399 2011-01-30 11:08:27 <sipa> *but
400 2011-01-30 11:23:30 <Diablo-D3> http://m.plixi.com/p/73294801
401 2011-01-30 11:28:25 <joe_1> ok
402 2011-01-30 11:28:39 <joe_1> i have to move to plan b then, for this bitX implementation
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407 2011-01-30 12:14:57 <molecular> does anyone know wether artforz released his i2c voltage setting info / tool yet?
408 2011-01-30 12:15:50 <molecular> one of my gpus hung again this night at only 795Mhz, I could really use it ;)
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415 2011-01-30 13:11:45 <molecular> is there some publicly available bitcoind with where i could rpc "getblockcount" to compare to my local block # in order to detect disconnect of my bitcoind?
416 2011-01-30 13:12:29 <sipa> http://blockexplorer.com/q/getblockcount
417 2011-01-30 13:12:41 <molecular> ah, very nice, thanks.
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444 2011-01-30 15:22:13 <Kiba> woohoo!
445 2011-01-30 15:22:24 <Kiba> 691.08 BTC
446 2011-01-30 15:23:03 <TheAncientGoat> neice
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449 2011-01-30 15:27:56 <Kiba> TheAncientGoat: I'll be taking off the advertising for freegamer by the end of the month
450 2011-01-30 15:28:55 <TheAncientGoat> Kiba: Hah, good luck getting any more bitcoins from me then :P
451 2011-01-30 15:30:15 <Kiba> out of bitcoin already?
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453 2011-01-30 15:32:31 <TheAncientGoat> Kiba: I have a couple left
454 2011-01-30 15:32:37 <TheAncientGoat> Not many :P
455 2011-01-30 15:33:00 <TheAncientGoat> Need to look for work, hah
456 2011-01-30 15:33:27 <Kiba> I need to write an article for The Bitcoin Times
457 2011-01-30 15:37:08 <TheAncientGoat> bitcoin times?
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459 2011-01-30 15:41:47 <Kiba> TheAncientGoat: it's a bitcoin magazine
460 2011-01-30 15:45:00 <TheAncientGoat> webazine or published?
461 2011-01-30 15:45:10 <TheAncientGoat> and what does it cover? bitcoin news?
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466 2011-01-30 16:22:44 <Kiba> so bitcoiners
467 2011-01-30 16:22:48 <Kiba> what ya doing for money?
468 2011-01-30 16:24:40 <molecular> work :(
469 2011-01-30 16:24:57 <Kiba> molecular: not earning bitcoin?
470 2011-01-30 16:25:07 <molecular> too little, 620mhash/s
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472 2011-01-30 16:25:20 <molecular> will barely finance the cost of the gpu ;|
473 2011-01-30 16:25:36 <molecular> betting on rising value, basically, could've just bought BTC, but mining is more interesting
474 2011-01-30 16:26:13 <molecular> and you, kiba?
475 2011-01-30 16:26:27 <molecular> mixing german fruit drinks?
476 2011-01-30 16:26:32 <Kiba> trying to think of something to write tomorrow
477 2011-01-30 16:26:36 <Cusipzzz> Kiba makes $$ from ads! :)
478 2011-01-30 16:26:42 <Kiba> yes, that too
479 2011-01-30 16:26:44 <molecular> for bitcoin times?
480 2011-01-30 16:27:00 <Kiba> yes, an article for The Bitcoin Times
481 2011-01-30 16:27:03 <molecular> well, don't make a "mining guide"
482 2011-01-30 16:27:32 <molecular> an interview would be nice about bitcoin economics
483 2011-01-30 16:27:45 <Kiba> maybe I could contribute a few tips about making money in the bitcoin economy
484 2011-01-30 16:27:52 <molecular> who's reading it? the people here only?
485 2011-01-30 16:28:05 <molecular> yeah, like: "buy bitcoins"!
486 2011-01-30 16:28:27 <Kiba> A few tips about making money from bitcoin
487 2011-01-30 16:28:43 <ducki2p> ooh, I'd be interesting in reading about your quest for making a living fully from bitcoins
488 2011-01-30 16:29:01 <Kiba> that seem to be the case
489 2011-01-30 16:30:24 <Kiba> I am also interested in helping other bitcoiners achevie profit
490 2011-01-30 16:30:33 <Kiba> so that we have a growing economy and so that my saving will grow
491 2011-01-30 16:31:48 <Kiba> hmm
492 2011-01-30 16:31:56 <Kiba> no bids for the first time on operationfabulous
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495 2011-01-30 16:34:28 <molecular> ah, theres sth on operationfabulous.com finally. Got a friend with a nice site (alexa 165000) who is looking to earn some money. Should I point him there?
496 2011-01-30 16:34:57 <Cusipzzz> Kiba: you have a bid :)
497 2011-01-30 16:35:17 <Cusipzzz> need more traffic on your site, though.
498 2011-01-30 16:35:30 <Cusipzzz> molecular: absolutely
499 2011-01-30 16:36:07 <Kiba> Cusipzzz: indeed, but I don't know if there are traffic
500 2011-01-30 16:36:19 <Kiba> that's why I work on articles occasionally
501 2011-01-30 16:36:23 <molecular> you're wondering why there are no bids? well, do I have to register to see something in the advertiser section? you could put some motivational text there maybe instead of just "welcome"
502 2011-01-30 16:36:40 <Kiba> molecular: no
503 2011-01-30 16:36:47 <Kiba> I am not wondering
504 2011-01-30 16:36:52 <Kiba> I am well aware of my low-traffic site
505 2011-01-30 16:36:57 <molecular> ok
506 2011-01-30 16:37:00 <Cusipzzz> Kiba: he lists hits/per day next to each oublisher site
507 2011-01-30 16:38:09 <Kiba> so what did I have?
508 2011-01-30 16:38:13 <Kiba> 5 hits a day?
509 2011-01-30 16:38:20 <Cusipzzz> something like 5-20
510 2011-01-30 16:38:28 <Kiba> yeah, that's low
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512 2011-01-30 16:39:31 <btcex> hi
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514 2011-01-30 16:39:56 <btcex> How unpredictable field 'time' in confirmed transaction?
515 2011-01-30 16:40:21 <btcex> i want to create random numbers generator based on some values from bitcoin networ for gambling game
516 2011-01-30 16:41:08 <molecular> do I have to have an Ad to see the sites?
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518 2011-01-30 16:41:12 <btcex> can person why generates new block affect to this field?
519 2011-01-30 16:41:42 <Cusipzzz> molecular: just sign up with advertiser account
520 2011-01-30 16:41:42 <btcex> molecular: ?
521 2011-01-30 16:41:45 <molecular> btcex why not use last bits of block hash?
522 2011-01-30 16:42:00 <molecular> Cusipzzz, I just did
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524 2011-01-30 16:42:07 <Cusipzzz> molecular: might have to upload an ad before it will let you bid
525 2011-01-30 16:42:17 <molecular> Cusipzzz, see no websites. assuming I need to manufacture an ad first?
526 2011-01-30 16:42:21 <molecular> allright
527 2011-01-30 16:42:27 <Cusipzzz> molecular: i believe so
528 2011-01-30 16:42:31 <btcex> molecular: I'am afraid that block generator can bet before publish generated block
529 2011-01-30 16:42:33 <molecular> Cusipzzz, damn, I have nothing to advertise ;)
530 2011-01-30 16:42:40 <Cusipzzz> molecular: you can use my ad ;)
531 2011-01-30 16:42:47 <molecular> btcex: block generator cannot influence hash value
532 2011-01-30 16:42:57 <Kiba> I guess I'll start posting arts too
533 2011-01-30 16:43:11 <molecular> http://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000001851086db41b1266fb6619a1f53d3bc17323710dcdc24a4d9b80f
534 2011-01-30 16:43:21 <btcex> molecular: but it can predict game results
535 2011-01-30 16:43:27 <molecular> the stuff after the 00000s is pretty hard to influence for a creater
536 2011-01-30 16:43:51 <molecular> but you will only get like 200 bits in 10 minutes very unreliably -> not a good random source
537 2011-01-30 16:44:18 <molecular> btcex, why do you want to use something from bitcoin network?
538 2011-01-30 16:44:56 <btcex> molecular: because I want to have a random number generator which any player can check on what the numbers really random
539 2011-01-30 16:45:29 <btcex> (not as in a jackpotdice:))
540 2011-01-30 16:45:32 <molecular> btcex, ah ok
541 2011-01-30 16:45:36 <molecular> :) lol
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543 2011-01-30 16:45:46 <molecular> btcex did you get ripped off in the end on jackpotdice?
544 2011-01-30 16:46:05 <molecular> Cusipzzz, what add type is best to choose?
545 2011-01-30 16:46:09 <molecular> s/add/ad
546 2011-01-30 16:46:19 <tcatm> btcex: use the nonce field ;)
547 2011-01-30 16:46:35 <btcex> can not say, sorry. maybe I'll publish the results of my research on the forum today.
548 2011-01-30 16:46:41 <Cusipzzz> current sites on there are looking for square or skyscraper..only Kiba like Banner, lol
549 2011-01-30 16:46:44 <btcex> tcatm: nonce?
550 2011-01-30 16:46:51 <tcatm> from blockheader
551 2011-01-30 16:47:05 * Kiba ponders how large is the advertising network
552 2011-01-30 16:47:06 <Kiba> seem to be rather small
553 2011-01-30 16:47:19 <Kiba> are bitcoiners lazy about adopting new source of revenues?
554 2011-01-30 16:47:39 <btcex> Kiba: oh, can you create advertise banner for probiwon?
555 2011-01-30 16:48:19 <Kiba> btcex: so you want me to do graphic design? That's a skill that I don't have
556 2011-01-30 16:48:51 <tcatm> idev on the forum offers logo design, maybe he can do banners, too
557 2011-01-30 16:49:17 <Kiba> too many people are confusing kiba's artistic skills with graphic design
558 2011-01-30 16:49:42 <tcatm> switch to graphic design and make more BTC ;)
559 2011-01-30 16:50:04 <Kiba> tcatm: I am focusing on skills like 3D CAD
560 2011-01-30 16:50:06 <btcex> Kiba: sorry. then I'll try to do something myself and it will be scary
561 2011-01-30 16:50:28 <molecular> kiba: I would, but have nothing to advertise and no ad-space ;)
562 2011-01-30 16:50:29 <Kiba> btcex: I think idev might be a good choice
563 2011-01-30 16:50:50 <btcex> why is idev?
564 2011-01-30 16:50:59 <Kiba> because he does logo?
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566 2011-01-30 16:51:10 <tcatm> Kiba: cool. any samples?
567 2011-01-30 16:51:29 <Kiba> tcatm: sample? not really
568 2011-01-30 16:51:45 <Kiba> learnign is a rather sporadic adventure for me it seem
569 2011-01-30 16:52:24 <btcex> o, i'm need not logo, I am need adv banner. its different things
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588 2011-01-30 17:57:24 <Kiba> It seem that we experienced a brief spike
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590 2011-01-30 18:01:41 <slush> ;;bc,statd 1100000 372
591 2011-01-30 18:01:41 <gribble> Error: "bc,statd" is not a valid command.
592 2011-01-30 18:01:53 <slush> ;;bc,calcd 1100000 372
593 2011-01-30 18:01:54 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1100000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 372, is 24 minutes and 12 seconds
594 2011-01-30 18:03:53 <nanotube> slush: testnet's difficulties are double the equivalent mainnet. so you want 186
595 2011-01-30 18:04:05 <slush> still too high
596 2011-01-30 18:04:28 <slush> is there any possibility to connect bitcoind to itself?
597 2011-01-30 18:05:04 <slush> I need much lower difficulty, current testnet is fucking high
598 2011-01-30 18:05:24 <Cyd> slush little baby odnt say a word
599 2011-01-30 18:05:32 <Cyd> momma's gonna buy you a mocking bird
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602 2011-01-30 18:06:44 <slush> somebody reported that it is possible to connect bitcoind to itself and imitate own bitcoin network with only genesis block
603 2011-01-30 18:06:46 <tcatm> slush: run your own testnet
604 2011-01-30 18:07:09 <tcatm> bitcoind -noirc -connect=127.0.0.1 (-testnet)
605 2011-01-30 18:07:20 <slush> I tried that, but 0 connection...
606 2011-01-30 18:07:22 <tcatm> you could even at -nolisten with recent git
607 2011-01-30 18:07:32 <tcatm> doesn't matter
608 2011-01-30 18:07:48 <slush> it matter, because RPC calls return me 'not connected'
609 2011-01-30 18:07:58 <tcatm> oh hm
610 2011-01-30 18:08:24 <slush> is there any difference between versions .18 and .19?
611 2011-01-30 18:08:28 <slush> I have .18
612 2011-01-30 18:08:40 <tcatm> sure, lot of development happened lately
613 2011-01-30 18:09:12 <tcatm> you could run two bitcoinds on different computers and connect them to each other
614 2011-01-30 18:09:41 <slush> nice tip
615 2011-01-30 18:09:51 <slush> btw any chance to reset testnet?
616 2011-01-30 18:10:23 <tcatm> gavin wanted to do that so I didn't bother to use my GPUs for it
617 2011-01-30 18:10:54 <tcatm> you could use your pool and a modified bitcoind to reset it in about 6 hours
618 2011-01-30 18:11:19 <slush> no, I don't want to connect pool to testnet ;)
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620 2011-01-30 18:11:46 <slush> But new genesis block in next release should solve this, right?
621 2011-01-30 18:12:08 <gavinandresen> Howdy y'all
622 2011-01-30 18:12:19 <tcatm> hey
623 2011-01-30 18:12:51 <slush> hi
624 2011-01-30 18:13:19 <gavinandresen> You talking about possible testnet reset?
625 2011-01-30 18:13:25 <tcatm> yes
626 2011-01-30 18:13:47 <slush> it would be nice. It's practically impossible to 'test' anything on testnet :)
627 2011-01-30 18:14:12 <tcatm> do you have a tail -f on irclogs? :)
628 2011-01-30 18:14:19 <gavinandresen> If you have two machines you can create your own private testnet
629 2011-01-30 18:15:06 <gavinandresen> ... but you can't test until they've generated at least 100 blocks.
630 2011-01-30 18:15:36 <gavinandresen> tcatm: I often check the IRCLog website before popping in here
631 2011-01-30 18:16:05 <tcatm> ic
632 2011-01-30 18:16:13 <slush> gavinandresen: agree, but is there any reason for keeping difficulty so high?
633 2011-01-30 18:16:22 <gavinandresen> Nope
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635 2011-01-30 18:16:53 <devon_hillard> is anyone running diablo-d3's miner in windows?
636 2011-01-30 18:17:01 <devon_hillard> or if you mine in windows, what are you using?
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638 2011-01-30 18:17:11 <slush> devon_hillard: I used diablo's on win
639 2011-01-30 18:17:39 <devon_hillard> slush: did you have trouble setting it up?
640 2011-01-30 18:18:02 <slush> devon_hillard: no, it was without problems
641 2011-01-30 18:19:27 <slush> tcatm: when I upgrade to .19, bitcoin still reporting that it is connected to self and drop connection then. So still 0 connections
642 2011-01-30 18:19:55 <slush> i'll try to setup testnet on second computer
643 2011-01-30 18:20:18 <tcatm> you could run two bitcoinds on one computer with different datadirs and one with nolisten.
644 2011-01-30 18:20:27 <tcatm> both -connect=127.0.0.1
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647 2011-01-30 18:24:18 <gavinandresen> I forgot about -nolisten... that aught to work.
648 2011-01-30 18:24:27 <gavinandresen> You might need -noirc, too
649 2011-01-30 18:24:45 <slush> nolisten isn't in .19, right?
650 2011-01-30 18:24:58 <gavinandresen> Nope
651 2011-01-30 18:25:10 <gavinandresen> (I mean, right, it is in the git tree)
652 2011-01-30 18:25:19 <slush> ok, I'll try second computer
653 2011-01-30 18:25:24 <slush> two instances of .19 does not work
654 2011-01-30 18:25:29 <slush> (on same computer)
655 2011-01-30 18:25:41 <gavinandresen> Oh, the -nolisten machine will need -rpcport=something
656 2011-01-30 18:28:15 <slush> nice, ./bitcoin -testnet -noirc -connect=127.0.0.1 throws segmentation fault on linux box
657 2011-01-30 18:28:22 <slush> version .19
658 2011-01-30 18:29:01 <gavinandresen> That's... sub-optimal....
659 2011-01-30 18:29:22 <slush> oh, it is not related to parameters
660 2011-01-30 18:29:35 <slush> it is because directory name include national characters
661 2011-01-30 18:29:45 <slush> moving bitcoin to another directory fixed this
662 2011-01-30 18:30:15 <gavinandresen> Still sub-optimal. Can you file an issue?
663 2011-01-30 18:31:55 <gavinandresen> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3051 : proposal to reset testnet and change difficulty adjustment rules
664 2011-01-30 18:32:26 <slush> gavinandresen: report to github?
665 2011-01-30 18:32:45 <gavinandresen> slush: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues
666 2011-01-30 18:33:22 <gavinandresen> tcatm: speaking of issues, are you still getting a corrupt double-linked list error?
667 2011-01-30 18:34:12 <tcatm> gavinandresen: no, but js-remote is a lot less aggressive since I rewrote the txlist update mechanism
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671 2011-01-30 18:45:59 <slush> ;;bc,calcd 860 1
672 2011-01-30 18:45:59 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 860 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 1 hour, 23 minutes, and 14 seconds
673 2011-01-30 18:48:58 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: I can't reproduce your JSON-RPC DoS...
674 2011-01-30 18:49:19 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: telnet times out after 2 seconds if I run with -rpctimeout=2
675 2011-01-30 18:49:55 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: I'll try with a different rpctimeout. it never times out for me, using the defaults.
676 2011-01-30 18:50:08 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: I let it sit there for over an hour in one test.
677 2011-01-30 18:50:36 <gavinandresen> Maybe the default isn't working, I'll try that...
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679 2011-01-30 18:53:38 <slush> well, private testnet on two computer and version .19 works...
680 2011-01-30 18:53:57 <gavinandresen> D'oh! have rpctimeout=6000 in my bitcoin.conf because I was debugging...........
681 2011-01-30 18:55:37 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: ThreadRPCServer ReadHTTP timeout
682 2011-01-30 18:55:37 <gavinandresen> (in debug.log after 30 seconds... works for me...)
683 2011-01-30 18:57:16 <Kiba> I notice that the forum is quiet today
684 2011-01-30 19:00:29 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: in your first connection, you simply type 'GE' (first two bytes of http request) and nothing else?
685 2011-01-30 19:00:48 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: no crlf etc
686 2011-01-30 19:01:41 <tcatm> RPCServer should switch to select/epoll :)
687 2011-01-30 19:02:02 <jgarzik> yes, it should..
688 2011-01-30 19:04:06 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: Yup, although I don't think telnet transmits char-by-char....
689 2011-01-30 19:04:40 <gavinandresen> (or does it?)
690 2011-01-30 19:05:54 <tcatm> telnet transmits on \n
691 2011-01-30 19:06:17 <tcatm> just tested with nc -l 1234 & telnet localhost 1234
692 2011-01-30 19:06:28 <jgarzik> it depends on the terminal mode. interactive programs work just fine over telnet, and do not require \n to transmit in all cases.
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695 2011-01-30 19:08:05 <luke-jr> telnet can do either depending
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697 2011-01-30 19:08:51 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: latest git-head version of bitcoin?
698 2011-01-30 19:09:10 <jgarzik> "version" : 31800,
699 2011-01-30 19:09:18 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: a couple revs old
700 2011-01-30 19:09:33 <gavinandresen> -rpctimeout is new
701 2011-01-30 19:09:55 <gavinandresen> (I don't remember if it was .19 or is new with upcoming .20)
702 2011-01-30 19:10:42 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: is bitcoin svn dead at this point? or will git get pulled into svn for .20 ?
703 2011-01-30 19:10:56 <molecular> Kiba, are you involved with operation fab?
704 2011-01-30 19:11:07 <molecular> or anyone else here... having trouble creating an ad
705 2011-01-30 19:11:22 <molecular> it says "Invalid file. Only GIF, JPEG or PNG file types are accepted (This file is ). Maximum file size should not exceed 100Kb."
706 2011-01-30 19:11:35 <molecular> is there a channel for project fabulous?
707 2011-01-30 19:12:39 <gavinandresen> RE: RPCServer should select/epoll: most RPC methods lock the wallet, so you'd end up being mostly single-threaded anyway....
708 2011-01-30 19:13:10 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: I was planning on pulling into svn for .20, and have svn be the "stable" tree
709 2011-01-30 19:13:58 <gavinandresen> Away for lunch for a while....
710 2011-01-30 19:14:13 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: It's still a one-at-a-time interface without poll
711 2011-01-30 19:14:25 <tcatm> select/epoll: Yes, but they could read the whole request and then lock after they received everything from the client instead of a slow client blocking the whole RPC thread
712 2011-01-30 19:14:33 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: an attacker can force you to wait rpctimeout for each request
713 2011-01-30 19:14:48 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: if you're a pool server, you go from 120 getwork/sec to 1 getwork/sec
714 2011-01-30 19:14:54 <gavinandresen> So instead they make bitcoin crash by running out of memory....
715 2011-01-30 19:15:20 <gavinandresen> ... unless somebody writes lots of code to intelligently manage a pool of threads.
716 2011-01-30 19:15:32 <tcatm> You don't need threads.
717 2011-01-30 19:15:40 <jgarzik> you don't need a pool of threads, just buffers per connection
718 2011-01-30 19:15:48 <tcatm> Just a list of sockets and a input buffer
719 2011-01-30 19:16:05 <gavinandresen> Yeah.... sounds like another one of those "I know how to "fix" it, so I will" instead of "this is a real problem that needs fixing"
720 2011-01-30 19:16:23 <jgarzik> poll is standard way to write a TCP socket server :)
721 2011-01-30 19:16:41 <gavinandresen> You shouldn't be -rpcallowip=* anyway. Only allow connections from IPs you trust.
722 2011-01-30 19:16:58 <jgarzik> that's how apache, lighttpd, exim, inn, and every other major Internet server are written
723 2011-01-30 19:17:01 <gavinandresen> (I'm hungry, gonna go eat. I'll be less grumpy when I'm back)
724 2011-01-30 19:17:15 <tcatm> I think theymos had a problem with blockexplorer related to this.
725 2011-01-30 19:18:34 * molecular made a sh-script to restart bitcoind on dynamic ip connections by comparing blockcount with blockexplorer: http://pastebin.com/aUgVhPnu
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727 2011-01-30 19:18:56 <tcatm> molecular: great!
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729 2011-01-30 19:19:43 <molecular> is there a place one can put this kind of stuff for other people to see?
730 2011-01-30 19:19:49 <jgarzik> the forum
731 2011-01-30 19:19:53 <molecular> ok
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734 2011-01-30 19:23:28 <jgarzik> python is nice, for it's efficient manner of typing. "foo = bar" with automatic typing is almost as good as C's static typing
735 2011-01-30 19:23:35 <jgarzik> but the expressions leave a lot to be desired
736 2011-01-30 19:23:46 <ArtForzZz> ?
737 2011-01-30 19:24:14 <jgarzik> 'if' statements and loops tend to be bigger than their C counterparts, as I write them
738 2011-01-30 19:24:22 <edcba> ?
739 2011-01-30 19:24:31 <nanotube> jgarzik: example? :)
740 2011-01-30 19:24:33 <ArtForzZz> then you're writing it wrong :P
741 2011-01-30 19:25:36 <jgarzik> there's all sorts of exceptions that bloat the code
742 2011-01-30 19:25:48 <molecular> "if True:" is pretty unbloated?
743 2011-01-30 19:26:03 * jgarzik has a lot of KeyError to test for
744 2011-01-30 19:26:06 <Cusipzzz> anyone know when 6990 comes out ?
745 2011-01-30 19:26:20 <ArtForzZz> rumors say mid-feb
746 2011-01-30 19:26:29 <Cusipzzz> thx
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748 2011-01-30 19:26:48 <ArtForzZz> AMD higherups are already showing em off at presentations
749 2011-01-30 19:27:04 <nanotube> jgarzik: well, maybe give us an example code snippet in py, and equiv in c, so we can c (hah) what you're talking about. :)
750 2011-01-30 19:27:15 <Cusipzzz> you'd think their QA group would be generating BTCs like mad, lol
751 2011-01-30 19:27:42 <Cusipzzz> leaked specs look pretty good
752 2011-01-30 19:28:09 <nanotube> what's the 6990 hps, and hpw?
753 2011-01-30 19:28:18 <nanotube> according to the specs, at any rate
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755 2011-01-30 19:28:33 <Cusipzzz> +20/30% from 5970?
756 2011-01-30 19:28:48 <ArtForzZz> unlikely
757 2011-01-30 19:29:07 <Cusipzzz> really?
758 2011-01-30 19:29:11 <ArtForzZz> yup
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760 2011-01-30 19:29:27 <Cusipzzz> hmm, i guess extrapolating specs doesn't really tell the story, but we'll see I guess
761 2011-01-30 19:29:31 <ArtForzZz> 69xx is less power efficient than 58xx
762 2011-01-30 19:30:19 <molecular> Hey ArtForzZz, don't mean to get on your nerves. But can you maybe help me with Voltage control?
763 2011-01-30 19:30:22 <ArtForzZz> 5870 was ~190W, 6970 210-220 and mines a bit slower than 5870
764 2011-01-30 19:30:25 <Cusipzzz> need to hook it up to solar panels :)
765 2011-01-30 19:30:48 <ArtForzZz> and 5970 was already limited by 300W ceiling pretty hard
766 2011-01-30 19:31:11 <ArtForzZz> = thanks to powertune they can just keep the default clock up and clamp down max power use
767 2011-01-30 19:31:25 <Cusipzzz> hmm, so you think 10-15% ?
768 2011-01-30 19:31:26 <ArtForzZz> so for 3D, 6990 will probably end up a fair bit faster than 5970
769 2011-01-30 19:31:37 <Cusipzzz> for mining hps
770 2011-01-30 19:31:40 <ArtForzZz> my guess, for mining 5-10% slower than 5970
771 2011-01-30 19:31:49 <Cusipzzz> wow
772 2011-01-30 19:32:39 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: http://docs.python.org/library/collections.html#collections.defaultdict might help with those KeyErrors
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775 2011-01-30 19:34:52 <citizen> anyone here mine on windows?
776 2011-01-30 19:35:19 <Cusipzzz> *crickets*
777 2011-01-30 19:35:30 <citizen> haha
778 2011-01-30 19:37:24 <hacim> when do pool payouts happen?
779 2011-01-30 19:37:46 <citizen> i was going to ask the same - it seems to be taking a long time
780 2011-01-30 19:39:11 <nanotube> hacim: every few hours
781 2011-01-30 19:39:12 <nanotube> iirc
782 2011-01-30 19:39:21 <hacim> does that mean '3'?
783 2011-01-30 19:39:31 <nanotube> heh ask slush i don't recall exactly.
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785 2011-01-30 19:40:15 <TD> ArtForzZz: how is the ASIC project coming along?
786 2011-01-30 19:40:22 <citizen> i wish i could find out which version of sdk stream comes with which version of catalyst drivers for windows
787 2011-01-30 19:42:43 <ArtForzZz> none, except for the special 10.12 w/ APP, which has 2.2
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790 2011-01-30 19:43:10 <slush> hacim: every hour
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792 2011-01-30 19:43:34 <ArtForzZz> TD: everything on schedule, still waiting for chips to ship
793 2011-01-30 19:43:37 <Cusipzzz> slush living off the interest ;)
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795 2011-01-30 19:43:40 <TD> nice
796 2011-01-30 19:44:36 <citizen> http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/previous/10/Pages/radeon.aspx?os=Windows%20Vista%20-%2064-Bit%20Edition&rev=10.12
797 2011-01-30 19:44:43 <citizen> the top one, ArtForzZz?
798 2011-01-30 19:45:07 <ArtForzZz> nope
799 2011-01-30 19:45:29 <ArtForzZz> well, thats not the one with integrated APP
800 2011-01-30 19:45:39 <ArtForzZz> that one is buried somewhere on AMDs dev pages
801 2011-01-30 19:45:49 <ArtForzZz> just get normal cat 10.12 and SDK 2.1
802 2011-01-30 19:46:01 <citizen> i can't find where to download the SDKs
803 2011-01-30 19:46:47 <ArtForzZz> http://developer.amd.com/gpu/AMDAPPSDK/downloads/Pages/default.aspx
804 2011-01-30 19:47:10 <citizen> so you like 2.1 the best?
805 2011-01-30 19:47:18 <ArtForzZz> yup
806 2011-01-30 19:47:30 <ArtForzZz> well, except for 6870/6970
807 2011-01-30 19:47:30 <citizen> sweet - thanks for the help man :)
808 2011-01-30 19:47:41 <ArtForzZz> for them you pretty much have to use 2.3
809 2011-01-30 19:49:07 <citizen> even tho i have the latest display driver, i should be able to install/use this SDK with no problem, right
810 2011-01-30 19:49:23 <ArtForzZz> yep
811 2011-01-30 19:49:44 <citizen> it'll be interesting to see if the rate increases - i will report back on here when done ;)
812 2011-01-30 19:49:50 <ArtForzZz> linux cat 11.1 seems to have some issues, win cat is probably fine
813 2011-01-30 19:53:47 <molecular> is it possible to flash a radeon from linux?
814 2011-01-30 19:53:59 <ArtForzZz> not directly
815 2011-01-30 19:54:25 <molecular> so to change V I would have to install windows on the miner?
816 2011-01-30 19:54:29 <ArtForzZz> nope
817 2011-01-30 19:54:40 <molecular> how can I do it?
818 2011-01-30 19:54:47 <ArtForzZz> DOS bootdisk with atiflash
819 2011-01-30 19:55:12 <molecular> I assume I can somehow put this on a stick. that asrock board has no floppy
820 2011-01-30 19:55:16 <ArtForzZz> yep
821 2011-01-30 19:55:39 <ArtForzZz> I used a stone-age USB stick
822 2011-01-30 19:55:43 <molecular> but well, I want to tweak the V. That means making a new BIOS. how do I do that?
823 2011-01-30 19:55:50 <ArtForzZz> RBE
824 2011-01-30 19:55:56 <molecular> that's a win-tool
825 2011-01-30 19:56:00 <ArtForzZz> yep
826 2011-01-30 19:56:08 <molecular> so I need windows after all?
827 2011-01-30 19:56:23 <ArtForzZz> well, I used a XP VM, but iirc it works in WINE
828 2011-01-30 19:56:27 <molecular> just not necessarily on the mining-machine
829 2011-01-30 19:56:34 <molecular> ok, got a vm
830 2011-01-30 19:56:49 <molecular> I'm kind of afraid of doing this...
831 2011-01-30 19:56:58 <molecular> i2c register-writing would be more comfortable
832 2011-01-30 19:57:21 <ArtForzZz> well, as long as you have 2 PCIe x16 slots and a 2nd graphics card it's really not dangerous
833 2011-01-30 19:57:36 <molecular> have 1 PCIe slot
834 2011-01-30 19:57:58 <ArtForzZz> recovery of a bad flash is gonna be a problem then
835 2011-01-30 19:58:11 <molecular> how likely is that?
836 2011-01-30 19:58:18 <ArtForzZz> not too likely if you're careful
837 2011-01-30 19:58:31 <molecular> can I screw it up by putting wrong values?
838 2011-01-30 19:58:46 <ArtForzZz> yep
839 2011-01-30 19:59:04 <molecular> ok, good to know... will look at RBE now
840 2011-01-30 19:59:10 <molecular> do I need some initial BIOS-dump?
841 2011-01-30 19:59:14 <ArtForzZz> yep
842 2011-01-30 19:59:32 <molecular> does it have to be from my card?
843 2011-01-30 19:59:37 <ArtForzZz> well, it's always a good idea to keep a backup of the orig BIOS. so might as well use that as a basis for the modified one
844 2011-01-30 19:59:44 <ArtForzZz> if its a ref 5970, no
845 2011-01-30 19:59:53 <molecular> oh no, it's sapphire
846 2011-01-30 20:00:13 <ArtForzZz> well, it's always best to use your orig BIOS as a starting point
847 2011-01-30 20:00:27 <molecular> atiflash does dump?
848 2011-01-30 20:00:31 <ArtForzZz> yep
849 2011-01-30 20:00:35 <molecular> ah, cool
850 2011-01-30 20:00:53 <ArtForzZz> http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=57750
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852 2011-01-30 20:01:26 <ArtForzZz> atiflash -s NUM FILENAME saves BIOS from card #NUM to FILENAME
853 2011-01-30 20:01:45 <ArtForzZz> atiflash -p NUM FILENAME programs BIOS of card #NUM with FILENAME
854 2011-01-30 20:02:22 <ArtForzZz> atiflash -i lists cards
855 2011-01-30 20:03:25 <Kiba> yah!
856 2011-01-30 20:03:30 <Kiba> .465 BABY!
857 2011-01-30 20:04:00 <molecular> Kiba, are you affiliated with operation fabulous in any way?
858 2011-01-30 20:04:09 <molecular> ArtForzZz, thanks a lot, this info helped
859 2011-01-30 20:04:19 <molecular> ...to keep me busy for a while
860 2011-01-30 20:05:28 <ArtForzZz> the whole process is pretty simple once you get used to it
861 2011-01-30 20:05:28 <hacim> what the hell is 'operation fabulous'
862 2011-01-30 20:05:31 <andrew12^mac> now give me something to do
863 2011-01-30 20:05:32 <andrew12^mac> :p
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867 2011-01-30 20:06:28 <Cusipzzz> hacim: BTC ad network
868 2011-01-30 20:06:38 <molecular> operation fabulous: ad platform using btc
869 2011-01-30 20:06:49 <hacim> its not the americas top model spin-off?
870 2011-01-30 20:06:54 <Cusipzzz> lol
871 2011-01-30 20:07:05 <hacim> thats what you get when you search for it
872 2011-01-30 20:07:32 <molecular> Cusipzzz, I have trouble making an ad, is says "Invalid file. Only GIF, JPEG or PNG file types are accepted (This file is ). Maximum file size should not exceed 100Kb."
873 2011-01-30 20:07:40 <molecular> also: is there a channel for op fab?
874 2011-01-30 20:08:18 <Cusipzzz> what filetyp4e are you using ?
875 2011-01-30 20:08:29 fabianhjr_ has joined
876 2011-01-30 20:08:32 <Cusipzzz> I had no problems uploading ad
877 2011-01-30 20:08:35 <fabianhjr_> join #bitcoin-market
878 2011-01-30 20:09:01 <andrew12^mac> holy shit
879 2011-01-30 20:09:11 fabianhjr_ is now known as fabianhjr
880 2011-01-30 20:09:17 <Cusipzzz> ?
881 2011-01-30 20:09:24 <andrew12^mac> the price
882 2011-01-30 20:09:28 <andrew12^mac> ;;bc,mtgox
883 2011-01-30 20:09:28 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.48,"low":0.445,"vol":9784,"buy":0.4651,"sell":0.4799,"last":0.48}}
884 2011-01-30 20:09:30 <molecular> "#bitcoin-market :Cannot send to channel"
885 2011-01-30 20:09:31 <Cusipzzz> ya..rally mode
886 2011-01-30 20:09:41 <andrew12^mac> what?
887 2011-01-30 20:09:41 <nanotube> molecular: it's a read-only channel
888 2011-01-30 20:09:51 <Cusipzzz> ?
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890 2011-01-30 20:09:54 <nanotube> molecular: streaming quotes. wouldn't want to get the data lost in the noise. :)
891 2011-01-30 20:10:07 <fabianhjr> andrew12^mac: that is natural, though S3052 missed the parity pijnt which I still think will be by mid-2011.
892 2011-01-30 20:10:21 <andrew12^mac> fabianhjr: what.
893 2011-01-30 20:10:27 lfm has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
894 2011-01-30 20:10:29 <molecular> Cusipzzz, can it me a mime-type problem on my image-server
895 2011-01-30 20:10:34 lfm_ is now known as lfm
896 2011-01-30 20:10:35 <molecular> s/me/be
897 2011-01-30 20:10:56 <Cusipzzz> molecular: maybe, try a clean .gif
898 2011-01-30 20:10:57 <andrew12^mac> molecular: syntax error: expecting /
899 2011-01-30 20:11:10 <nanotube> andrew12^mac: haha
900 2011-01-30 20:11:29 <molecular> s/s/me/be/s\/me\/be
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903 2011-01-30 20:11:55 <nanotube> molecular: syntax error: wtf?
904 2011-01-30 20:11:56 <nanotube> hehe
905 2011-01-30 20:12:17 <Kiba> I think we will reach .50 soon
906 2011-01-30 20:12:40 <molecular> but it will not go beyond 0.51 for quite a while
907 2011-01-30 20:13:51 <Kiba> woohoo
908 2011-01-30 20:14:06 <Kiba> I have 317.8968 equvalient worth of saving
909 2011-01-30 20:14:24 <Kiba> USD, excuse me
910 2011-01-30 20:16:13 <molecular> I hope you dont have to sell it
911 2011-01-30 20:16:33 <molecular> syntax error? I don't get it
912 2011-01-30 20:17:39 <nanotube> molecular: man sed :)
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914 2011-01-30 20:22:15 <molecular> /s\// ?
915 2011-01-30 20:24:40 <hacim> slush: on the hour?
916 2011-01-30 20:24:51 <slush> hacim: yep
917 2011-01-30 20:25:01 <hacim> slush: hm, because i didn't get mine
918 2011-01-30 20:25:10 <hacim> even though I passed the threshold
919 2011-01-30 20:25:42 <slush> did you receive email?
920 2011-01-30 20:25:52 <slush> (if you have payout emails allowed)
921 2011-01-30 20:26:51 <hacim> slush: i have not ever, but I dont know where I set that :)
922 2011-01-30 20:26:56 <hacim> err, I mean set my email address
923 2011-01-30 20:27:10 <slush> well, what's your nick? hacim?
924 2011-01-30 20:27:20 <hacim> slush: 'micah'
925 2011-01-30 20:27:28 malfy has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
926 2011-01-30 20:29:24 <slush> and what's your current balance?
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928 2011-01-30 20:29:37 <slush> confirmed
929 2011-01-30 20:30:00 <hacim> aha
930 2011-01-30 20:30:12 <hacim> so the payout is only based on the confirmed, I should have known that
931 2011-01-30 20:30:16 <hacim> nevermind then
932 2011-01-30 20:30:19 <slush> ok :)
933 2011-01-30 20:30:55 <andrew12^mac> hmm
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935 2011-01-30 20:31:16 <andrew12^mac> the wallet files are compatible with each other regardless of os, right?
936 2011-01-30 20:31:25 <ArtForzZz> yup
937 2011-01-30 20:31:44 <andrew12^mac> so if i were to use linux and symlink .bitcoin to %APPDATA%/Bitcoin on my windows hdd, it would work fine on both?
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940 2011-01-30 20:32:09 <andrew12^mac> and the block files, of course
941 2011-01-30 20:33:17 fabianhjr_ has joined
942 2011-01-30 20:34:03 <andrew12^mac> heh
943 2011-01-30 20:34:03 <andrew12^mac> http://createyourproglang.com/?hop=rubyinside
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947 2011-01-30 20:38:21 <andrew12^mac> brb
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951 2011-01-30 20:41:23 <andrew12> hi
952 2011-01-30 20:42:07 <molecular> wow, the 2 card on my 5970 have differing bios checksums
953 2011-01-30 20:42:29 <ArtForzZz> yes, they're different
954 2011-01-30 20:43:08 <molecular> oh my, life just get simpler ;)
955 2011-01-30 20:43:13 <molecular> insert "wont"
956 2011-01-30 20:43:24 <andrew12> heh
957 2011-01-30 20:43:42 <ArtForzZz> second GPU doesnt have VGA mode (it has no video outputs at all) and doesnt have a VRM controller for memory attached (2nd GPU mem is fed from 1st GPU mem VRM)
958 2011-01-30 20:44:11 <molecular> does this mean both connectors (not that I use them) go to 1 card?
959 2011-01-30 20:44:16 <ArtForzZz> ?
960 2011-01-30 20:44:36 <molecular> master slave style
961 2011-01-30 20:44:40 <ArtForzZz> yep
962 2011-01-30 20:44:43 <ArtForzZz> all video outputs are connected to GPU#1 aka master
963 2011-01-30 20:44:45 <molecular> hmm
964 2011-01-30 20:44:51 <molecular> that's what I meant
965 2011-01-30 20:45:08 <andrew12> fun fun fun
966 2011-01-30 20:45:08 <molecular> allright, and to control V on both, I will have to mod 2 bioses
967 2011-01-30 20:45:10 <molecular> ?
968 2011-01-30 20:45:11 <andrew12> running i2p and tor :D
969 2011-01-30 20:45:15 <ArtForzZz> yep
970 2011-01-30 20:45:17 <hacim> slush: so where do I set my email address?
971 2011-01-30 20:45:37 <ArtForzZz> changing core voltage for 5970 in RBE is pretty simple
972 2011-01-30 20:45:40 <molecular> will the master gpu always be device #0 on linux?
973 2011-01-30 20:45:42 <slush> hacim: you registered with email...
974 2011-01-30 20:45:49 <hacim> ah ok
975 2011-01-30 20:45:56 <hacim> but I can't change it, eh?
976 2011-01-30 20:46:02 <molecular> then I'm asking: why the f..ck they used the less good chip as master
977 2011-01-30 20:46:11 <slush> can't for now
978 2011-01-30 20:48:29 <molecular> ArtForzZz, on XP, do you use the techpowerup bios editor or the RaBiT bios editor?
979 2011-01-30 20:48:29 <andrew12> hmm
980 2011-01-30 20:48:42 <andrew12> i wonder if its possible to have mirc only use a proxy for _some_ connections
981 2011-01-30 20:48:59 <ArtForzZz> techpowerup RBE
982 2011-01-30 20:51:02 <ArtForzZz> fire up RBE, load bios, go to click settings "tab", click "GPU registers", change 0x18 to whatever Core V you want, hit OK, Save bios to new name
983 2011-01-30 20:51:55 * andrew12 feels so cool being all anonymous in i2p and stuff. :p
984 2011-01-30 20:52:18 <ArtForzZz> reg 0x15 is for 157 core clock, 0x16 for 400, 0x17 for 550 and 0x18 for 725
985 2011-01-30 20:52:56 <ArtForzZz> I got my cards more stable by setting 0x17 value == 0x18
986 2011-01-30 20:53:28 <ArtForzZz> probably because when card throttles because VRMs are too hot, it switches to 550 core
987 2011-01-30 20:53:45 <slush> ArtForzZz: I thought you're using cards on default voltage, aren't you?
988 2011-01-30 20:53:52 <ArtForzZz> well, now I am
989 2011-01-30 20:54:07 <ArtForzZz> I used to run 1.15 V core until one of my cards blew up a VRM
990 2011-01-30 20:54:44 <andrew12> hehe
991 2011-01-30 20:55:23 <slush> btw is card with higher voltage really worse in mhash/W than with default voltage?
992 2011-01-30 20:55:39 <ArtForzZz> yes, by quite a bit
993 2011-01-30 20:55:41 <molecular> maybe I have newer version (rbe v1.27), doesn't say "0x15", but "Clock info 00" instead...
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995 2011-01-30 20:55:49 <ArtForzZz> probably
996 2011-01-30 20:55:50 <slush> I think rise in Mhash should be proportional by voltage
997 2011-01-30 20:55:52 <ArtForzZz> I used 1.25 I think
998 2011-01-30 20:55:56 <ArtForzZz> nope
999 2011-01-30 20:56:10 <andrew12> huh
1000 2011-01-30 20:56:12 <Babylon> quick question, can anyone tell me when Satoshi published the initial paper on bitcoins?
1001 2011-01-30 20:56:28 <ArtForzZz> my cards avg 325W at the plug and >830Mhz clock @ stock V
1002 2011-01-30 20:56:52 <ArtForzZz> @ 1.15, I got 910Mhz avg clock and 390W at the plug
1003 2011-01-30 20:57:07 <molecular> "at the plug"? with just the psu + the card ?
1004 2011-01-30 20:57:14 <ArtForzZz> whole box
1005 2011-01-30 20:57:22 <xelister> FLASH NEWS
1006 2011-01-30 20:57:24 <xelister> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1007 2011-01-30 20:57:28 <xelister> ATI continues to suck cocks in hell
1008 2011-01-30 20:57:28 <molecular> oh god, I might run into trouble... only have 350W psu.
1009 2011-01-30 20:57:38 <slush> ArtForzZz: thanks for numbers
1010 2011-01-30 20:57:40 <xelister> with its shitty crashing hanging and restarting driver
1011 2011-01-30 20:57:51 <ArtForzZz> so efficiency is a lot worse at 1.15
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1013 2011-01-30 20:58:52 <ArtForzZz> 2.55MHz/W stock, 2.33MHz/W @ 1.15
1014 2011-01-30 20:59:11 <ArtForzZz> couldnt really test 1.1625V, cards kept throttling
1015 2011-01-30 20:59:23 <Babylon> pretty please can someone tell me? I'm doing a presentation on bitcoin and i need to cite the paper correctly
1016 2011-01-30 20:59:44 * molecular doesnt understand this. rbe present a table with columns labelled "Clock info xx" (xx goes from 00 to 04). theres values for GPU freq, RAM freq and V. of this shit there is multiple rows with empty fields I can enter values into...
1017 2011-01-30 21:00:11 <ArtForzZz> close to bottom left corner is the "GPU registers" button
1018 2011-01-30 21:00:18 <Cusipzzz> Babylon: the pdf id on the forums, did you search ?
1019 2011-01-30 21:00:19 <molecular> the first row is prefilled with 725/1000/1.05 157/300/0.95 440/1000/1.038 ...
1020 2011-01-30 21:00:22 <ArtForzZz> you dont need to change anything in the clock/voltage tables
1021 2011-01-30 21:00:27 <molecular> oh
1022 2011-01-30 21:00:42 <ArtForzZz> well, in the main clock/voltage tables
1023 2011-01-30 21:00:55 <molecular> it's a 3-dim table
1024 2011-01-30 21:01:16 <molecular> are these like "profiles"?
1025 2011-01-30 21:01:21 <ArtForzZz> yeah
1026 2011-01-30 21:01:27 <ArtForzZz> they're the various "performance states"
1027 2011-01-30 21:01:39 <molecular> allright, that's the columns, right?
1028 2011-01-30 21:01:40 <Babylon> I found the PDF CUS, i just can't find a date of publication
1029 2011-01-30 21:01:52 <molecular> 725, 157, 550, 400, 400 (GPU Mhz)
1030 2011-01-30 21:02:10 <Cusipzzz> it's not in the pdf?
1031 2011-01-30 21:02:14 <ArtForzZz> it's GPU MHz/mem Mhz/GPU voltage
1032 2011-01-30 21:02:21 <ArtForzZz> no need to change anything there really
1033 2011-01-30 21:02:26 <andrew12> hm
1034 2011-01-30 21:02:34 <molecular> where can I make a sensible change?
1035 2011-01-30 21:02:47 <andrew12> using the estimated network hashrate, can you estimate how much power is being used on bitcoin?
1036 2011-01-30 21:02:48 <ArtForzZz> <ArtForzZz> close to bottom left corner is the "GPU registers" button
1037 2011-01-30 21:03:03 <molecular> ah!
1038 2011-01-30 21:03:05 <Babylon> I didn't see it in there anywhere
1039 2011-01-30 21:03:06 <molecular> ok
1040 2011-01-30 21:03:21 <necrodearia> http://www.youtube.com/user/stefbot#p/u/14/RuVuMslQWGs is so powerfully epic
1041 2011-01-30 21:03:33 <necrodearia> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3052 (offtopic)
1042 2011-01-30 21:04:09 <molecular> ArtForzZz, so how about I change the 0x18-value to 1.10 from 1.05?
1043 2011-01-30 21:04:16 <ArtForzZz> yup
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1045 2011-01-30 21:10:25 <molecular> I better do this on both cards in paralles to save time
1046 2011-01-30 21:10:31 <davout> hey all
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1048 2011-01-30 21:11:04 <molecular> grrr, "Error writing sub vendor ID." when I try to save the bios? do I need some vendor private key???
1049 2011-01-30 21:11:20 <ArtForzZz> errr. no
1050 2011-01-30 21:11:23 <davout> gavinandresen: ping
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1052 2011-01-30 21:12:23 <molecular> duh. start rbe -> load bios -> save bios -> "error writing sub vendor ID"
1053 2011-01-30 21:13:46 <ArtForzZz> weird
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1057 2011-01-30 21:25:54 * davout just noticed that the accounts feature happily rounds everything at two decimal places
1058 2011-01-30 21:26:40 * andrew12 points out that everything is rounded to two decimal places
1059 2011-01-30 21:29:32 <ArtForzZz> eww
1060 2011-01-30 21:33:48 <devon_hillard> It's summertime! http://i.imgur.com/XtmMe.jpg (slightly nsfw)
1061 2011-01-30 21:35:56 <mrb_> davout: https://bitcoin-central.net/account/trade_orders/book someone is selling 69.1318 BTC at 0.43 LRUSD, another is buying 301.0000 BTC at the same price. why does the trade not seem to occur?
1062 2011-01-30 21:37:28 <mrb_> oh I was under the impression you claimed to have fixed the bug. but you are still working on it... nm
1063 2011-01-30 21:38:31 <lyspooner> blockexplorer says that the bitcoin address listed on wikipedia hasn't had any transactions thus far. i think we should replace it with an address for the bitcoin faucet
1064 2011-01-30 21:39:13 <molecular> "Das du beim speichern diese Fehlermeldung bekommst liegt wahrscheinlich daran das deine Vendors (Haupt&Sub) nicht richtig ausgelesen werden.. "
1065 2011-01-30 21:39:16 <molecular> wtf
1066 2011-01-30 21:40:12 <molecular> vendor read from bios is 0x0000
1067 2011-01-30 21:40:19 <ArtForzZz> that sounds wrong
1068 2011-01-30 21:40:25 <ArtForzZz> maybe try RBE 1.25?
1069 2011-01-30 21:40:32 <lyspooner> wait a sec...the address on wikipedia doesn't even look valid: 1rYK1YzEGa59pI314159KUF2Za4jAYYTd....aren't capital I's not part of valid bitcoin addresses?
1070 2011-01-30 21:40:35 <molecular> yeah, thought that, too
1071 2011-01-30 21:40:52 <davout> mrb_: yes
1072 2011-01-30 21:41:04 <molecular> hmmm, if I just put some random vendor (other than 0x0000), svaing it works
1073 2011-01-30 21:41:17 <molecular> what's the most generic vendor you can think of?
1074 2011-01-30 21:41:18 <davout> the bug is happening because BC balance and the balance in the bitcoin client sense are different
1075 2011-01-30 21:41:47 <molecular> 0x1360 meinberg funkuhren gmbh & ko. kg ?
1076 2011-01-30 21:41:51 <davout> and that is because everything is rounded at two decimal places, even in accounts moves, which is totally not cool with me :)
1077 2011-01-30 21:41:55 <molecular> I'll use that
1078 2011-01-30 21:42:00 <molecular> can that fry my card, ArtForzZz
1079 2011-01-30 21:42:06 <davout> so it's bitcoin's fault, not mine hehe
1080 2011-01-30 21:42:28 <davout> working on a patch for the client and i'll disable accounts tracking in BC until its better managed
1081 2011-01-30 21:43:08 <molecular> this is fun
1082 2011-01-30 21:43:52 <molecular> hmmm, on second card's bios it says vendor 0x1002 - ATI
1083 2011-01-30 21:44:06 <molecular> damn, maybe the dump of the first card's bios went wrong...
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1085 2011-01-30 21:44:32 <ArtForzZz> soudns liek it
1086 2011-01-30 21:44:42 <molecular> I will dump once more and diff, just to be safe
1087 2011-01-30 21:49:31 <molecular> dumped card0 bios once more, no diff
1088 2011-01-30 21:49:35 <molecular> grrr
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1093 2011-01-30 21:52:56 * molecular is flashing
1094 2011-01-30 21:53:24 * molecular is hoping
1095 2011-01-30 21:53:30 * molecular is booting
1096 2011-01-30 21:54:15 * molecular is hopefull
1097 2011-01-30 21:54:55 * molecular is logging in
1098 2011-01-30 21:55:00 * molecular is starting miner
1099 2011-01-30 21:55:30 * molecular is mining
1100 2011-01-30 21:55:33 <molecular> phew
1101 2011-01-30 21:56:01 * mrb_ impatiently waits for bitcoin-central to become open source
1102 2011-01-30 21:56:15 <sipa> isn't it yet?
1103 2011-01-30 21:56:20 <mrb_> Feb 1st.
1104 2011-01-30 21:56:36 <mrb_> davout will release it at this date.
1105 2011-01-30 21:56:40 <sipa> https://github.com/davout/bitcoin-central
1106 2011-01-30 21:56:52 <sipa> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2721.0
1107 2011-01-30 21:57:12 <Kiba> look like mrb_ is a bit outdated
1108 2011-01-30 21:58:06 <mrb_> oh I never saw that, cool
1109 2011-01-30 21:58:31 * molecular just blew his PSU
1110 2011-01-30 21:58:38 <davout> mrbÃ_: haha
1111 2011-01-30 21:58:49 <sipa> molecular: what card, OC, psu?
1112 2011-01-30 22:00:15 <davout> mrb: feel like coding some rails ? :D
1113 2011-01-30 22:01:01 <mrb_> hmm you may want to make your user password hashing more secure. you have a salt but you don't do password iteration/stretching (eg. re-hashing 1000 times)
1114 2011-01-30 22:01:27 <molecular> cheap 350W psu
1115 2011-01-30 22:01:27 <molecular> now 0W psu
1116 2011-01-30 22:01:27 <molecular> :)
1117 2011-01-30 22:01:28 <molecular> sipa, it's a 5970 which I just put new 1.1V bios onto
1118 2011-01-30 22:01:34 <molecular> sipa, booted fine and started mining
1119 2011-01-30 22:01:42 <citizen> so as long as the miner says "accepted" then it is a good block?
1120 2011-01-30 22:01:45 <molecular> sipa, then I put the clocks to 800Mhz
1121 2011-01-30 22:01:51 <molecular> sipa, -> instant shutdown ;)
1122 2011-01-30 22:01:53 <citizen> meaning - i have not overclocked too much :)
1123 2011-01-30 22:02:03 <sipa> citizen: pool or local?
1124 2011-01-30 22:02:07 <citizen> pool
1125 2011-01-30 22:02:35 <davout> mrb: yea, i heard about those hashing methods, isn't bcrypt doing that ?
1126 2011-01-30 22:02:39 <mrb_> davout: I was looking at this part of the code to decide how secure I should make my bitcoin-central password
1127 2011-01-30 22:02:44 <mrb_> yes bcrypt does it
1128 2011-01-30 22:03:09 <ArtForzZz> molecular: yup, overloaded PSU
1129 2011-01-30 22:03:16 <davout> mrb: also it's a consensus in the bitcoin community that SHA2 is secure :)
1130 2011-01-30 22:03:57 <lfm> davout so far
1131 2011-01-30 22:03:57 <mrb_> not for pw hashing.
1132 2011-01-30 22:04:10 <dirtyfilthy> block locators: how do they work?
1133 2011-01-30 22:04:47 <lyspooner> sorry for laziness, but can someone point me to discussion about the 400,000 block that went through not too long ago?
1134 2011-01-30 22:04:55 <mrb_> a 4x5970 machine could bruteforce bitcoin-central's user password hashes at 5 billion per second or so
1135 2011-01-30 22:05:00 <andrew12> ;;bc,channelstats
1136 2011-01-30 22:05:00 <gribble> Error: "bc,channelstats" is not a valid command.
1137 2011-01-30 22:05:05 <andrew12> ;;channelstats
1138 2011-01-30 22:05:05 <gribble> On #bitcoin-dev there have been 235215 messages, containing 10523084 characters, 1876507 words, 11124 smileys, and 641 frowns; 2963 of those messages were ACTIONs. There have been 14848 joins, 839 parts, 13885 quits, 4 kicks, 201 mode changes, and 13 topic changes. There are currently 156 users and the channel has peaked at 158 users.
1139 2011-01-30 22:05:53 <lyspooner> or just save me time if it was you ArtForzZz
1140 2011-01-30 22:06:18 <ArtForzZz> ?
1141 2011-01-30 22:06:19 <sipa> citizen: if the miner says accepted, it means that the pool counted it as a share
1142 2011-01-30 22:06:27 <davout> mrb: yea, i guess i should change that, i was also thinking of auto-banning IPs that appear to indulge in brute-forcing :)
1143 2011-01-30 22:06:35 <sipa> molecular: 800MHz, that's really not much...
1144 2011-01-30 22:06:36 <citizen> thanks
1145 2011-01-30 22:06:45 <citizen> im getting 175 mhash/s from my 5770
1146 2011-01-30 22:06:47 <citizen> not too shabby
1147 2011-01-30 22:06:50 <x6763> mrb_: I think sha2 is secure for password hashing as long as you're using a unique salt for each password and the password is not a poorly chosen one
1148 2011-01-30 22:07:14 <davout> mrb: i guess you're assuming here that the DB has been compromised and evaluating the risk of your unqiue pw being found right ?
1149 2011-01-30 22:07:18 <x6763> dirtyfilthy: what do you mean by "block locator"?
1150 2011-01-30 22:07:52 <davout> fuck yes, i just fixed a bug in bitcoin :D
1151 2011-01-30 22:08:04 <mrb_> x6763: it's more secure than most hashing methods, but not secure enough because it makes bruteforcing too easy ("5 Ghash/s")
1152 2011-01-30 22:08:05 <ArtForzZz> pfff
1153 2011-01-30 22:08:11 <mrb_> that's why you have md5crypt or bcrypt
1154 2011-01-30 22:08:19 <ArtForzZz> Adapter 0 - ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series
1155 2011-01-30 22:08:19 <ArtForzZz> Core (MHz) Memory (MHz)
1156 2011-01-30 22:08:19 <ArtForzZz> Current Clocks : 1070 1200
1157 2011-01-30 22:08:19 <citizen> i hate goddamned OEM computers
1158 2011-01-30 22:08:43 <ArtForzZz> 225.07Mhps
1159 2011-01-30 22:08:49 <davout> ArtForzZz: this is like bitcoin porn to my eyes
1160 2011-01-30 22:08:55 <citizen> Dell Inspiron 560s don't have an option of which graphics adapter you'd like to use (ie. integrated or add-on)
1161 2011-01-30 22:09:05 <molecular> ArtForzZz, a psu have a fuse?
1162 2011-01-30 22:09:06 <ArtForzZz> and yes, thats at stock voltage
1163 2011-01-30 22:09:12 <citizen> so when you pop in a card, it automatically disables integrated graphics
1164 2011-01-30 22:09:14 * molecular unscrewing shit
1165 2011-01-30 22:09:20 <davout> oops, i thought that was on a 5900 series
1166 2011-01-30 22:09:27 <mrb_> davout: yes of course this assumes the hashes have been compromised. it happens too frequently. in the last month you have had the password databases of gawker, apache, some other financial website, etc
1167 2011-01-30 22:09:33 <ArtForzZz> nah, 5770
1168 2011-01-30 22:09:35 <mrb_> that have all been hacked and leaked
1169 2011-01-30 22:09:48 <molecular> ArtForzZz, well firstly, before I unscrew my shit, thanks for guiding me thorugh the bios-procedures...!
1170 2011-01-30 22:09:53 <ArtForzZz> to hit 1GHz+ on a 5970 you need ~1.3V core and watercooling
1171 2011-01-30 22:10:34 <molecular> 1GHz+ on a 5970? ati-config "only" offers up to 1Ghz
1172 2011-01-30 22:10:44 <ArtForzZz> RBE, last tab
1173 2011-01-30 22:11:02 <dirtyfilthy> x6763: i'm not entirely sure, but there's a block locator object in the bitcoin source, and you can send multiple start hashes with getblocks which has something to do with this.
1174 2011-01-30 22:11:03 <ArtForzZz> 5770 only goes to 960 with stock bios
1175 2011-01-30 22:11:07 <molecular> maybe I should've been content with 620mhps
1176 2011-01-30 22:11:13 <molecular> now I need a new psu
1177 2011-01-30 22:11:24 <ArtForzZz> watercooler overvolted 5770s can hit 1.2G
1178 2011-01-30 22:11:28 <ArtForzZz> *GHz
1179 2011-01-30 22:11:39 <molecular> and 5970s?
1180 2011-01-30 22:11:53 <x6763> dirtyfilthy: ah, i'm not sure then, either
1181 2011-01-30 22:11:58 <molecular> and ArtASICs?
1182 2011-01-30 22:12:22 <ArtForzZz> a lot less :P
1183 2011-01-30 22:12:34 <sipa> for way less power, though
1184 2011-01-30 22:12:37 <ArtForzZz> yep
1185 2011-01-30 22:12:58 <sipa> 12W was it?
1186 2011-01-30 22:13:11 <ArtForzZz> 12W taking VRM and PSU losses into account
1187 2011-01-30 22:13:13 <molecular> ArtForz: you said having >50% of net performance, you're actively competing against yourself... did you think about reselling?
1188 2011-01-30 22:13:18 <dirtyfilthy> x6763: it's something to do with resolving block chain forks and finding the common block in the chain when someone presents you with a block you don't have the previou block for
1189 2011-01-30 22:13:40 <molecular> I would definitely buy on rackfull of ArtASICs
1190 2011-01-30 22:13:46 <molecular> *one
1191 2011-01-30 22:13:52 <molecular> sorry, one unit
1192 2011-01-30 22:14:00 <ArtForzZz> you couldnt afford a rack of em :P
1193 2011-01-30 22:14:05 <molecular> 96 ArtASICS
1194 2011-01-30 22:14:09 <molecular> hehe
1195 2011-01-30 22:14:12 <molecular> no fucking way
1196 2011-01-30 22:14:32 <molecular> not even you could...
1197 2011-01-30 22:14:39 <molecular> that'd be like 10.000
1198 2011-01-30 22:14:49 <molecular> hmm, wait, no
1199 2011-01-30 22:14:51 * sipa thinks ArtForzZz ordered 200
1200 2011-01-30 22:14:53 <sipa> no?
1201 2011-01-30 22:14:58 <ArtForzZz> 100
1202 2011-01-30 22:15:00 <x6763> dirtyfilthy: i see...i haven't done anything with that...i probably will be soon...at the moment i'm messing with creating transactions to spend coins, and i'm modifying some of my scripting code so it can see what *kind* of script it needs to work with when creating the new scriptSig
1203 2011-01-30 22:15:02 <ArtForzZz> = 20Ghps
1204 2011-01-30 22:15:06 <molecular> he told me first flush is 100
1205 2011-01-30 22:15:14 <sipa> oh right
1206 2011-01-30 22:15:17 <TD> x6763: i'm [mike] in the forum. good luck
1207 2011-01-30 22:15:24 <TD> x6763: block locator is just a list of block hashes
1208 2011-01-30 22:15:25 <ArtForzZz> which hopefully will net me enough working modules to build 3 1U boxes @ 32 chips
1209 2011-01-30 22:15:40 <TD> more of them are from the head of the chain than the start. it thins out exponentially
1210 2011-01-30 22:15:41 <dirtyfilthy> x6763: ah yeah sweet, i can now verify transactions too thanks to ECDSAwithNone
1211 2011-01-30 22:15:57 <ArtForzZz> = one rack would be ~260Ghps and ~16kW
1212 2011-01-30 22:16:03 <x6763> TD: ah, you're [mike]...i never would have connected TD with [mike]. and thanks!
1213 2011-01-30 22:16:04 <necrodearia> Are there any bitcoin users here that have their own Internet radio talk show or similar?
1214 2011-01-30 22:16:11 <slush> ArtForzZz: Any way to sell your ASIC cards for others?
1215 2011-01-30 22:16:16 <slush> ArtForzZz: later...
1216 2011-01-30 22:16:21 <Kiba> Bruce Wagner, necrodearia
1217 2011-01-30 22:16:25 <TD> x6763: np
1218 2011-01-30 22:16:28 <x6763> dirtyfilthy: cool!
1219 2011-01-30 22:16:31 <necrodearia> Kiba: Does he use IRC?
1220 2011-01-30 22:16:48 <TD> x6763: yes i have various names around the net. never found a good unique one i liked.
1221 2011-01-30 22:16:52 <Kiba> don't think so
1222 2011-01-30 22:16:53 <dirtyfilthy> TD: ah right, so it just goes further and further back until it finds a common ancestor?
1223 2011-01-30 22:16:57 <TD> yes
1224 2011-01-30 22:17:03 <dirtyfilthy> ok thanks, gotcha
1225 2011-01-30 22:17:25 <Kiba> we're all decendent of some backwater African tribe
1226 2011-01-30 22:17:33 <dirtyfilthy> TD: thanks for you forum posts btw, i found them very informative and helpful
1227 2011-01-30 22:18:03 <TD> no problem. i wish i could release my own code, was hoping to be the first to the finish line with an android client, heh. for now all i can do is egg you guys on.
1228 2011-01-30 22:18:16 <TD> but your code looks quite similar to mine
1229 2011-01-30 22:18:32 <TD> so i'm happy to know i'll have an android app soon regardless of who does it
1230 2011-01-30 22:18:48 <x6763> mine's not for android, but i think cdecker is writing one in addition to you guys
1231 2011-01-30 22:19:06 <TD> yeah was talking to chris for a while
1232 2011-01-30 22:19:23 <Kiba> all are trying to compete for the android prize?
1233 2011-01-30 22:19:35 <dirtyfilthy> heh i just want another client
1234 2011-01-30 22:20:09 <TD> i think mobile clients are one of the next big things on the bitcoin todo list
1235 2011-01-30 22:20:16 <dirtyfilthy> 1740BC will prolly work out at 10BC an hour for the time
1236 2011-01-30 22:20:41 <dirtyfilthy> plus i really wanted to understand how bitcoin worked
1237 2011-01-30 22:20:48 <x6763> i'm writing a client so i can learn all the little details about bitcoin so i can write a decentralized dns based on it, and have the code (that i undestand) to do it with
1238 2011-01-30 22:20:55 <x6763> s/undestand/understand
1239 2011-01-30 22:20:57 <ArtForzZz> total cost for a full rack would be about 350kEUR
1240 2011-01-30 22:21:25 <TD> more people understanding bitcoin is good
1241 2011-01-30 22:21:38 <TD> the DNS stuff would seem to be waiting on somebody to implement satoshis solution for sharing mining power
1242 2011-01-30 22:21:47 <TD> the official client needs a proper network abstraction. i have one in my codebase.
1243 2011-01-30 22:21:49 <dirtyfilthy> i think having another opensource client will help bitcoin immensely
1244 2011-01-30 22:21:49 <ArtForzZz> not THAT bad considering it'd be as fast as > 400 5970s
1245 2011-01-30 22:21:51 <Kiba> well, if somebody acquired 2100 BTC..that is 1 percent of bitcoin in circulation
1246 2011-01-30 22:22:02 <Kiba> if you can keep your hand off
1247 2011-01-30 22:22:23 <Kiba> for several more years if bitcoin continue to grow, you will be a very wealthy man
1248 2011-01-30 22:22:50 <dirtyfilthy> *if*
1249 2011-01-30 22:22:55 <davout> Kiba: 0.01%
1250 2011-01-30 22:22:59 <dirtyfilthy> that's the million dollar question
1251 2011-01-30 22:23:11 <TD> yeah and it's a self-unfulfilling prophecy
1252 2011-01-30 22:23:14 <Kiba> dirtyfilthy: most people can't keep their hand off thier own money
1253 2011-01-30 22:23:15 <TD> bitcoins only have value if they circulate
1254 2011-01-30 22:23:24 <TD> if everyone hoards them, they will not grow in value as there'll be nothing to spend them on
1255 2011-01-30 22:23:44 <sipa> there will be a small amount in circulation with high value
1256 2011-01-30 22:24:07 <sipa> but selling significantly more than the usually traded amounts will cause prizes to collapse
1257 2011-01-30 22:24:08 <slush> ArtForzZz: I think selling mining boxes would be nice business for you, as power efficiency is going to be main concern of many people
1258 2011-01-30 22:24:10 <lfm> theres only less than 6 million btc in circulation
1259 2011-01-30 22:24:11 <sipa> is suppose
1260 2011-01-30 22:24:32 <OneFixt> ArtForzZz: seems a bit steep -> ~$1191 per hashing power of 5970
1261 2011-01-30 22:24:44 <Kiba> bitcoin electric heater!
1262 2011-01-30 22:24:56 <ArtForzZz> ... so?
1263 2011-01-30 22:24:57 <slush> OneFixt: I'll definitely buy it for that price!
1264 2011-01-30 22:25:58 <Kiba> 0.035%
1265 2011-01-30 22:26:05 <Kiba> for 2100 BTC now
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1267 2011-01-30 22:26:12 <Kiba> versus total circulation
1268 2011-01-30 22:26:56 <davout> Kiba: was just being anal about you mentioning 1% :)
1269 2011-01-30 22:27:26 <ArtForzZz> even at $0.12/kWh it's a difference of about $300/yr in power
1270 2011-01-30 22:27:31 <OneFixt> you'd need about 2 years to pay off the electricity difference I guess
1271 2011-01-30 22:27:33 <ArtForzZz> per 5970 equivalent
1272 2011-01-30 22:27:42 <Kiba> hmm, so I am a bacteria even within the bitcoin economy
1273 2011-01-30 22:27:50 <lyspooner> bacterium
1274 2011-01-30 22:27:52 <Cusipzzz> lol
1275 2011-01-30 22:28:22 <lyspooner> just being anal about you mentioning bacteria
1276 2011-01-30 22:28:24 <hacim> hm, transfered coins to mtgox some time ago, still haven't shown up
1277 2011-01-30 22:28:27 <Cusipzzz> considering half the world lives on less than $1USD/day, if you have more than 2.5 BTCs, you are doing ok :P
1278 2011-01-30 22:28:47 <ArtForzZz> iirc mtgox waits for 6 confirmations before balance shows up
1279 2011-01-30 22:28:51 <davout> hacim: mtgox is a crook, come to bitcoin central XD
1280 2011-01-30 22:29:09 <davout> hacim: jk obviously, but still come to bitcoin central :)
1281 2011-01-30 22:29:21 <davout> hacim: you can see them arriving in real time,
1282 2011-01-30 22:29:33 <ArtForzZz> I'll have to wait until I have actual hardware to geat real perf/efficiency numbers
1283 2011-01-30 22:29:45 <davout> hacim: you can start smelling them even if they aren't in your account yet :)
1284 2011-01-30 22:30:16 <sipa> ArtForzZz: when will you have them?
1285 2011-01-30 22:30:35 <ArtForzZz> I'm hoping they'll ship this week
1286 2011-01-30 22:30:43 <hacim> davout: I do need to start using bitcoin central
1287 2011-01-30 22:31:42 <ArtForzZz> but it also might take another 2 weeks :/
1288 2011-01-30 22:32:17 <ArtForzZz> official deadline is feb 11, but usually they ship at least a week early
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1290 2011-01-30 22:33:46 <hacim> damn, only 2 confirmations still
1291 2011-01-30 22:34:33 <slush> hacim: last block arrived before more than a half hour :(
1292 2011-01-30 22:34:51 <hacim> wow
1293 2011-01-30 22:35:01 <hacim> you know what would be interesting info for a miner
1294 2011-01-30 22:35:11 <hacim> would be how many hashes you've ever done, in aggregate ;)
1295 2011-01-30 22:35:36 <slush> 45 minutes right now
1296 2011-01-30 22:35:51 <slush> it's quite easy to calculate, I have log of shares
1297 2011-01-30 22:37:56 <sipa> slush: is the estimated reward field on your site before or after deducting donation fee?
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1299 2011-01-30 22:38:15 <slush> sipa: after
1300 2011-01-30 22:38:49 <hacim> slush: but log of shares wont tell you how many hashes you've done with your miner?
1301 2011-01-30 22:39:06 <slush> miners in pool calculated more than 26070030579924992 hashes (log from last week and I didn't logged few first days)
1302 2011-01-30 22:39:43 <slush> hacim: you can use share count as approximation
1303 2011-01-30 22:39:59 <hacim> that is a lot of hashes!
1304 2011-01-30 22:39:59 <slush> hacim: by average, miner have to calculate 2**32 hashes to find one share
1305 2011-01-30 22:40:59 <Keefe> slush: is your pool the only significantly big one currently?
1306 2011-01-30 22:41:13 <slush> I don't know other pools...
1307 2011-01-30 22:41:20 <slush> there was some puddinpop's instance
1308 2011-01-30 22:41:24 <slush> but it looks dead now
1309 2011-01-30 22:42:03 <slush> and afaik, puddinpop's server had performance troubles even with few ghash/s
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1311 2011-01-30 22:43:20 <opus_> hello
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1313 2011-01-30 22:45:52 <slush> 55 minutes on the same block. Just when I'm waiting to new one...
1314 2011-01-30 22:47:11 <davout> mrb: ping
1315 2011-01-30 22:49:23 <Cusipzzz> slush: always happens to me when waiting for a confirm
1316 2011-01-30 22:49:42 <ArtForzZz> watched kettle and all that...
1317 2011-01-30 22:49:46 <sipa> slush: if i calculate (estimated reward)/50BTC/(1-donation/100)*(approx cluster performance), i should get a number approximating my hashing speed, right?
1318 2011-01-30 22:50:56 <slush> eh, probably something very similar :)
1319 2011-01-30 22:51:21 <opus_> whats the bug in pre-0.3.10 ? is it serious?
1320 2011-01-30 22:51:25 <slush> or you can simply pick your workers shares in this round, it is calculated from the same numbers
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1322 2011-01-30 22:51:46 <slush> shares * 2**32 = your hashing speed
1323 2011-01-30 22:51:59 <sipa> good point
1324 2011-01-30 22:52:30 <slush> / round time, of course
1325 2011-01-30 22:52:35 <sipa> yes
1326 2011-01-30 22:52:50 <sipa> same result... over 10% below the hash speed reported by miner
1327 2011-01-30 22:53:07 <slush> for how many shares?
1328 2011-01-30 22:53:28 <slush> this is very inaccurate, because even with diff1 shares, there is probability in game...
1329 2011-01-30 22:53:55 <jgarzik> slush: what language did you use for implementing the pool server?
1330 2011-01-30 22:53:59 * jgarzik is randomly curious
1331 2011-01-30 22:54:04 <slush> +- 10% for one 5970 is expected number on common round
1332 2011-01-30 22:54:11 <slush> jgarzik: python, django
1333 2011-01-30 22:54:11 <sipa> slush: it's consistent
1334 2011-01-30 22:54:24 <sipa> slush: we should see higher and lower numbers, but they are consistently lower
1335 2011-01-30 22:54:39 <slush> well, what's your roundtrip to pool?
1336 2011-01-30 22:54:51 <sipa> varies between 50 and 300 ms
1337 2011-01-30 22:55:07 <sipa> but there are some connection issues, sometimes a timeout
1338 2011-01-30 22:55:25 <slush> hm, 0.3/5 = 6% overhead on communication (will be better on push protocol)
1339 2011-01-30 22:55:43 <slush> yes, timeouts are weird, it is something on the provider network
1340 2011-01-30 22:55:54 <jgarzik> is there any public code for converting 'getwork' target into a python bignum?
1341 2011-01-30 22:55:57 * jgarzik is working on that
1342 2011-01-30 22:56:05 <jgarzik> ie. a 256-bit int
1343 2011-01-30 22:56:12 <sipa> jgarzik: i should have that
1344 2011-01-30 22:56:15 <sipa> jgarzik: i think
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1346 2011-01-30 22:58:13 <lfm> trivial
1347 2011-01-30 22:58:21 <slush> I believe that push protocol will make roundtrip irrelevant, because there will be network traffic only on new block or once every minute (because of transactions). I'll publish it this week.
1348 2011-01-30 22:58:25 <molecular> ;;bc,stats
1349 2011-01-30 22:58:27 <gribble> Current Blocks: 105391 | Current Difficulty: 22012.4941572 | Next Difficulty At Block: 106847 | Next Difficulty In: 1456 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 6 hours, 26 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 24036.16285642
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1351 2011-01-30 23:00:15 <sipa> jgarzik: hmm, not directly
1352 2011-01-30 23:01:31 <Diablo-D3> man
1353 2011-01-30 23:01:36 <Diablo-D3> its funny how much c2qs still cost
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1356 2011-01-30 23:05:43 <jgarzik> This is my very first python program ever: http://yyz.us/bitcoin/poold.py Currently it just proxies 'getwork', with full json decoding to python objects. Next step is to turn it into a real pool server.
1357 2011-01-30 23:06:18 <lfm> slush consider not pushing txn with no fee til;l block comes out (mayb e as an option)
1358 2011-01-30 23:06:27 <jgarzik> that's why I'm looking for hex-to-256-bit python code
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1360 2011-01-30 23:07:20 <lfm> jgarzik: whats so hard about that? do it yourself
1361 2011-01-30 23:07:51 <jgarzik> lfm: I'm learning python at the same time. Don't even know syntax fully yet. So any little time saver helps...
1362 2011-01-30 23:07:56 <citizen> how long does it normally take for pool results to be confirmed and therefore paid out?
1363 2011-01-30 23:08:08 <slush> citizen: 120 confirmations
1364 2011-01-30 23:08:19 <citizen> ah ok, so could take some time then
1365 2011-01-30 23:08:34 <jgarzik> can I just treat python numbers are arbitrary integers, including C-like bit shifting, or'ing and masking, for example? Have to figure that one out.
1366 2011-01-30 23:08:42 <jgarzik> s/are/as/
1367 2011-01-30 23:08:46 <davout> jgarzik: is it normal behaviour that the move command rounds everything at 2 decimal places ?
1368 2011-01-30 23:08:56 <molecular> jgarzik, syntax error
1369 2011-01-30 23:09:02 <lfm> citizen: but if your payout is less than 0.01 then you wont get payed till it accumulates 0.01 or more
1370 2011-01-30 23:09:24 <jgarzik> davout: don't know offhand, I'd have to look
1371 2011-01-30 23:09:27 <jgarzik> molecular: ?
1372 2011-01-30 23:10:25 <davout> jgarzik: well, i meant, does that make sense to you? submitted a patch to disable that because it shot bitcoin central down and now i have angry users :)
1373 2011-01-30 23:10:47 <jgarzik> davout: any such rounding sounds broken to me
1374 2011-01-30 23:11:12 <jgarzik> davout: the rest of the API certainly supports more decimal places, so that's inconsistent behavior
1375 2011-01-30 23:14:01 <davout> jgarzik: i think that sending coins auto rounds the amount
1376 2011-01-30 23:15:24 <davout> jgazrzik: move does that too which slowly led to out of sync balances between bitcoin client and my DB, ultimately leading to exceptions when trying to send from accounts after having checked the balance at DB level
1377 2011-01-30 23:15:45 <davout> jgarzik: which prevented me from working on pecunix gau support ><
1378 2011-01-30 23:16:19 <lfm> seems like a few people here need a numerical analysis course
1379 2011-01-30 23:16:23 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: long("91874564", 16)
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1382 2011-01-30 23:19:15 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: sweet.
1383 2011-01-30 23:19:40 <jgarzik> does 'getwork' output require any byteswapping, before passing to python's long()?
1384 2011-01-30 23:20:06 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: python has lots of nifty stuff like that built in. I have no idea if it needs byte-swapping....
1385 2011-01-30 23:24:31 <sipa> the output from getwork is big-endian base-16 encoded
1386 2011-01-30 23:24:46 <sipa> so parsing it as a base-16 number should do fine
1387 2011-01-30 23:24:56 <DjeZAeL> 22
1388 2011-01-30 23:24:57 * Kiba submitted his next article to The Bitcoin Times
1389 2011-01-30 23:25:01 <DjeZAeL> (oops)
1390 2011-01-30 23:25:09 <sipa> 22 what?
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1392 2011-01-30 23:25:39 <jgarzik> will python automatically do the right thing, and create a large integer from "x = 1 << 1000" ?
1393 2011-01-30 23:25:41 <DjeZAeL> sipa: /window 22 but without /window :p
1394 2011-01-30 23:26:07 <sipa> jgarzik: seems so, http://knauth.org/gsk/advice/alg-help/large-integers.php
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1396 2011-01-30 23:28:08 <ArtForzZz> yep
1397 2011-01-30 23:28:34 <ArtForzZz> python ints are automagically promoted to largeint longs when they'd overflow
1398 2011-01-30 23:28:46 <lfm> i bet no one here can predict the output of this simple C program before running it! http://pastebin.com/wCsYfgcU it just 13 lines and only about 5 lines active code
1399 2011-01-30 23:28:56 <gavinandresen> yep. You know you can run the python interpreter at a command line and try stuff...
1400 2011-01-30 23:29:50 <luke-jr> lfm: does hand-interpreting it count as running?
1401 2011-01-30 23:29:52 <sipa> lfm: my guess is at 3
1402 2011-01-30 23:30:00 <lfm> luke-jr: go ahead
1403 2011-01-30 23:30:11 <lfm> sipa ok try running it
1404 2011-01-30 23:30:14 <sipa> or higher :)
1405 2011-01-30 23:30:43 <sipa> ouch :D
1406 2011-01-30 23:31:01 <lfm> sipa you never would have guessed right?
1407 2011-01-30 23:31:05 <sipa> no
1408 2011-01-30 23:31:16 <sipa> at least i was right it was at least 3 :)
1409 2011-01-30 23:31:44 <lfm> sipa ya that is just about the best answer most people can come up woth
1410 2011-01-30 23:32:01 <luke-jr> lfm: I think it's platform-dependent
1411 2011-01-30 23:32:02 <jgarzik> does python have printf? I'm trying output a value as hex, and am hoping for something more flexible than hex() function.
1412 2011-01-30 23:32:16 <ArtForzZz> string formatting
1413 2011-01-30 23:32:20 <lfm> luke ok try two platforms
1414 2011-01-30 23:32:27 <luke-jr> jgarzik: "%x" % (number,)
1415 2011-01-30 23:33:00 <jgarzik> excellent
1416 2011-01-30 23:33:15 <Kiba> so
1417 2011-01-30 23:33:27 <Kiba> anybody writing an article for The Bitcoin Times?
1418 2011-01-30 23:34:30 <luke-jr> IMO, the sprintf operator was the one thing Python did that was almost perfect :p
1419 2011-01-30 23:34:41 <ArtForzZz> yup
1420 2011-01-30 23:34:48 <luke-jr> (problem is, it wastes CPU cycles even in cases where the output is discarded)
1421 2011-01-30 23:34:51 <citizen> why do the radeon HD 6-series cards crunch so much slower?
1422 2011-01-30 23:34:59 <Diablo-D3> they dont
1423 2011-01-30 23:35:05 <luke-jr> citizen: the only released 6-series cards are low-end so far
1424 2011-01-30 23:35:05 <lfm> luke-jr: didnt it just take the sprintf from C?
1425 2011-01-30 23:35:20 <ArtForzZz> not quite
1426 2011-01-30 23:35:21 <luke-jr> lfm: but C requires a bunch of extra work for it
1427 2011-01-30 23:35:22 <Diablo-D3> 68xx run just as fast as 58xx per watt/dollar (minus about 5%)
1428 2011-01-30 23:35:30 <luke-jr> lfm: 99% of the time, sprintf alone is buggy
1429 2011-01-30 23:35:40 <Diablo-D3> 69xx run in the same realm give or take, but you're stuck using sdk 2.3 which screws you
1430 2011-01-30 23:35:52 <citizen> hmm
1431 2011-01-30 23:36:08 <luke-jr> lfm: you need to do snprintf twice, once to get the length, then again to actually set the string
1432 2011-01-30 23:36:24 <Diablo-D3> sdk 2.3 on other cards screws you just as bad
1433 2011-01-30 23:36:39 <citizen> 6850 171.59 1.351 127 775 960
1434 2011-01-30 23:36:39 <citizen> 6870 232.47 1.540 151 900 1120
1435 2011-01-30 23:36:43 <lfm> luke-jr: cant you know what the max len will be most of the time
1436 2011-01-30 23:36:49 <citizen> that's according to bitcoin.it
1437 2011-01-30 23:36:51 * luke-jr wonders what this "SDK" is called
1438 2011-01-30 23:36:54 <ArtForzZz> yep
1439 2011-01-30 23:37:00 <luke-jr> lfm: not usually, no
1440 2011-01-30 23:37:01 <Diablo-D3> citizen: look at the column that does per watt
1441 2011-01-30 23:37:04 <Diablo-D3> its in the same realm
1442 2011-01-30 23:37:11 <citizen> yeah, no doubt
1443 2011-01-30 23:37:20 <ArtForzZz> it's missing 69xx though
1444 2011-01-30 23:37:24 <citizen> and price is about the same too i guess
1445 2011-01-30 23:37:36 <citizen> normally you would think that 6870 > 5870
1446 2011-01-30 23:37:40 <citizen> but such is not the case
1447 2011-01-30 23:37:41 <luke-jr> citizen: 5970 is $600 retail
1448 2011-01-30 23:37:43 <Diablo-D3> no you wouldnt
1449 2011-01-30 23:37:44 <lfm> luke-jr: you know the max len of most numbers dot you?
1450 2011-01-30 23:37:45 <Diablo-D3> its not an upgrade
1451 2011-01-30 23:37:47 <Diablo-D3> its a crossgrade
1452 2011-01-30 23:37:49 <OneFixt> What's the current state of development for the push-based getwork? Will it be included in the main bitcoin release?
1453 2011-01-30 23:37:58 <OneFixt> also, who is working on it?
1454 2011-01-30 23:38:06 <luke-jr> lfm: nope, that's undefined
1455 2011-01-30 23:38:10 <Diablo-D3> it performs the same on 3D, slower on opencl, costs less, uses less watts, and is physically smaller
1456 2011-01-30 23:38:17 <citizen> but a layman judging by model number alone
1457 2011-01-30 23:38:41 <Diablo-D3> layman need to read PR release.s
1458 2011-01-30 23:38:50 <luke-jr> citizen: 6870 > 5870 overall, just not for mining
1459 2011-01-30 23:38:50 <Diablo-D3> also, they need to look at prices
1460 2011-01-30 23:38:54 <Diablo-D3> it IS an "upgrade"
1461 2011-01-30 23:38:57 <ArtForzZz> less watts? really?
1462 2011-01-30 23:39:02 <Diablo-D3> ArtForzZz: yeah, a tad less
1463 2011-01-30 23:39:04 <lfm> luke-jr: but from the context of your program? also if you use ints you know the max len. scientific notation also has max lens
1464 2011-01-30 23:39:09 <ArtForzZz> 6870 vs. 5850 ?
1465 2011-01-30 23:39:20 <luke-jr> lfm: 'int' has no max len
1466 2011-01-30 23:39:38 <ArtForzZz> sure does
1467 2011-01-30 23:39:55 <luke-jr> on some platforms, int is 16-bit, 32-bit, 64-bit, possibly larger
1468 2011-01-30 23:39:57 <lfm> luke-jr: you dont know the number of bits in your ints?
1469 2011-01-30 23:40:02 <luke-jr> the C standard allows any size
1470 2011-01-30 23:40:21 <EvanR> uint32_t
1471 2011-01-30 23:40:26 <ArtForzZz> #if sizeof(uint32_t) != 4 #complain and die
1472 2011-01-30 23:40:36 <Diablo-D3> ArtForzZz: per 3D performance, it uses less
1473 2011-01-30 23:40:40 <ArtForzZz> yes
1474 2011-01-30 23:40:42 <luke-jr> printf formatting doesn't work with uint32_t ;)
1475 2011-01-30 23:40:50 <Diablo-D3> its a 3D card, this is what people buy them for
1476 2011-01-30 23:41:10 <ArtForzZz> so use sizeof(int), same difference
1477 2011-01-30 23:41:37 <luke-jr> ArtForzZz: then your program breaks on compliant C compilers
1478 2011-01-30 23:41:43 <lfm> luke so (unsigned)(unit32_t)x will have a max size of 32 bits
1479 2011-01-30 23:41:44 <OneFixt> slush: are you working on push alone or is there a collaborative effort?
1480 2011-01-30 23:41:48 <ArtForzZz> so?
1481 2011-01-30 23:42:07 <lfm> luke or (unsigned long)(unit32_t)x will have a max size of 32 bits
1482 2011-01-30 23:42:33 <ArtForzZz> you can *get* sizeof(some_int_unit), so you can actually calculate the proper buffer size beforehand
1483 2011-01-30 23:42:42 <luke-jr> lfm: true
1484 2011-01-30 23:43:09 <luke-jr> of course, this is all assuming you only ever build strings with integer-type numbers
1485 2011-01-30 23:43:17 <ArtForzZz> ... so?
1486 2011-01-30 23:43:27 <luke-jr> â¦
1487 2011-01-30 23:44:03 <lfm> luke-jr: plus if your program doesnt know the proper ranges of the numbers it handles you are asking for all sorts of other overflows anyway
1488 2011-01-30 23:44:16 <citizen> has anyone experimented with bitcoin shopping card modules?
1489 2011-01-30 23:44:20 <citizen> payment modules
1490 2011-01-30 23:44:51 <ArtForzZz> ?
1491 2011-01-30 23:45:09 <ArtForzZz> what does that have to do with having to call snprintf twice to get the needed buffer size for %x ?
1492 2011-01-30 23:45:55 <luke-jr> ArtForzZz: I was talking about formatting in general, not merely "%x"
1493 2011-01-30 23:46:09 <lfm> luke-jr: like for a hash target in bitcoin you shuld knwo it is 32 bytes before you start. check the size on input before you ever get near any sprintf
1494 2011-01-30 23:47:30 <ArtForzZz> errr. why would someone argue that for arbitrary format strings
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1497 2011-01-30 23:51:07 <sipa> ;;bc,calc 25000
1498 2011-01-30 23:51:08 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 25000 Khps, given current difficulty of 22012.4941572 , is 6 weeks, 1 day, 18 hours, 28 minutes, and 37 seconds
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1501 2011-01-30 23:53:22 * hacim wonders how EvanR's miner is going
1502 2011-01-30 23:55:57 <Kiba> so, 691.08 BTC...
1503 2011-01-30 23:56:02 <Kiba> not earning a single BTC today
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1505 2011-01-30 23:56:03 <Kiba> :(
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