1 2011-02-01 00:00:37 <lyspooner> a question about hashing from a novice...
2 2011-02-01 00:01:02 <lyspooner> when i search for a target hash and i add a nonce, am i always just increasing the nonce by 1?
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4 2011-02-01 00:02:11 <nanotube> lyspooner: yes, client tests nonces starting from 0 and going up
5 2011-02-01 00:02:21 <lyspooner> would it not help, then, to space my bitcoin addresses evenly amongst all addresses while searching for the target hash?
6 2011-02-01 00:02:43 <lyspooner> am i making sense here?
7 2011-02-01 00:03:04 <gavinandresen> midnightmagic: pull for testnet difficulty changes is https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/53
8 2011-02-01 00:03:11 <gavinandresen> lyspooner: nope.
9 2011-02-01 00:03:23 <lyspooner> E(prevhash+myaddress+nonce)
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11 2011-02-01 00:04:05 <gavinandresen> ... where E is SHA256(SHA256())
12 2011-02-01 00:04:23 <lyspooner> we're not all starting from the same hash, that's what i'm trying to say
13 2011-02-01 00:04:40 <nanotube> right, since you include a tx to your own address in the block.
14 2011-02-01 00:04:44 <lyspooner> so if i have 100 different starting points, won't i try to cover as much space as possible with those starting points
15 2011-02-01 00:05:03 <lyspooner> i don't know the terminology, but that seems like the optimal strategy of a pool
16 2011-02-01 00:05:11 <nanotube> lyspooner: ah, for pool, yes, probably
17 2011-02-01 00:05:18 <lyspooner> is that what pools are doing?
18 2011-02-01 00:05:28 <nanotube> dunno, ask slush what he's doing.
19 2011-02-01 00:05:37 <lyspooner> slush what are you doing
20 2011-02-01 00:05:41 <nanotube> but it'd be the straightforward thing to do.
21 2011-02-01 00:06:00 <nanotube> especially once we have push-based work, can just hand out a coinbase to each client, and let them take care of the nonces and timestamps, etc.
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23 2011-02-01 00:06:11 <slush> what? what?
24 2011-02-01 00:06:55 <andrew12> darn, theymos isn't here.
25 2011-02-01 00:06:55 <nanotube> slush: do you use a separate coinbase tx for each miner client, or share the coinbase among all miners in the pool?
26 2011-02-01 00:07:00 * andrew12 wants http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/q/
27 2011-02-01 00:07:06 <nanotube> andrew12: haha
28 2011-02-01 00:07:15 <slush> nanotube: same coinbase, different extranonce
29 2011-02-01 00:07:20 <slush> so different merkle hash
30 2011-02-01 00:07:26 <nanotube> slush: ah extranonce ok
31 2011-02-01 00:07:38 <lyspooner> i'm lost now
32 2011-02-01 00:08:08 <nanotube> slush: but say once we have push-based work, so you can give larger bits of work to clients... wouldn't you have to give different coinbase as well? otherwise, a 5970 can easily use up all the nonces within seconds?
33 2011-02-01 00:09:18 <lyspooner> is "optimal" address creation important in the search for the target hash?
34 2011-02-01 00:09:45 <gavinandresen> lyspooner: no
35 2011-02-01 00:09:56 <nanotube> lyspooner: no hash results are essentially random.
36 2011-02-01 00:10:01 <gavinandresen> SHA256 mixes up the bits like your stomach mixes up peas and mashed potatoes.
37 2011-02-01 00:10:33 <slush> nanotube: every worker will have own extranonce. Server will calculate merkle and push it to client
38 2011-02-01 00:10:45 <slush> client then manage ntime and nonce...
39 2011-02-01 00:10:46 <nanotube> gavinandresen: lol
40 2011-02-01 00:11:07 <slush> so every worker can go up to 4ghash/s
41 2011-02-01 00:11:14 <nanotube> slush: ah ic. how many extranonces are possible?
42 2011-02-01 00:11:20 <slush> 32bits
43 2011-02-01 00:12:07 <slush> when worker submit a share, I'll check if he used correct merkle hash and if he submit unique solution for ntime/nonce
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45 2011-02-01 00:12:50 <lyspooner> so there is no way to split work efficiently by doing something like SHA2(address A + nonce0) and SHA2(address B + nonce (AllNonces/2))
46 2011-02-01 00:14:13 <sipa> hmm?
47 2011-02-01 00:14:17 <slush> lyspooner: teoretically it will be possible to split one job between more workers, if their total hashpower will be under 4ghash/s
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51 2011-02-01 00:14:40 <slush> then more workers can calculate the same job, each starting on different nonce
52 2011-02-01 00:15:04 <slush> but it is quite difficult and brings almost nothing. Much easier will be ask for separate jobs & use stock miners
53 2011-02-01 00:15:23 <lyspooner> slush, that sounds nice, i'd like to learn more
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56 2011-02-01 00:16:56 <lyspooner> does the security of bitcoin rest on the security of SHA2? where is the forum discussion on the subject, if one exists?
57 2011-02-01 00:17:05 <midnightmagic> not solely.
58 2011-02-01 00:17:14 <midnightmagic> the hash can be easily switched to accommodate.
59 2011-02-01 00:18:05 <andrew12> gavinandresen: I like your workflow of using your fork to do little changes before you're sure that everyone wants it, and then accepting pull requests whenever it's time to update :)
60 2011-02-01 00:18:16 <nanotube> but currently, yes, if someone can figure out how to back-calculate sha256... all bets are off. :)
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62 2011-02-01 00:18:32 <nanotube> andrew12: it's the usual way foss projects play the game.
63 2011-02-01 00:18:47 <andrew12> that's probably true
64 2011-02-01 00:18:48 <andrew12> heh
65 2011-02-01 00:19:00 <andrew12> note to self: branch, not delete-refork
66 2011-02-01 00:19:06 <nanotube> hehe yea
67 2011-02-01 00:20:00 <lyspooner> why would someone who knows nothing about the strength of SHA2 decide to adopt bitcoin knowing that if a malicious party were to back-calculate sha256, then his savings would be worthless?
68 2011-02-01 00:20:13 <MT`AwAy> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin:Contributors_Award <- contributors award for dec/jan finished, 420 BTC will be shared among wiki contributors, if you edited the wiki but haven't provided your bitcoin address, you still have a few days
69 2011-02-01 00:20:23 <andrew12> gavinandresen: do you have an estimated release date for 0.3.20? :P
70 2011-02-01 00:20:55 <draginx> trying to install bitcoind
71 2011-02-01 00:21:08 <draginx> well trying to install boost right now using this http://heliacal.net/~solar/bitcoin/bitcoin-linuxbuild.pdf
72 2011-02-01 00:21:18 <draginx> i dont see "deps" folder anywhere for my prefix :S
73 2011-02-01 00:21:38 <draginx> nvm
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75 2011-02-01 00:22:13 <gavinandresen> andrew12: release candidate as soon as I can figure out how to make myself a mingw build environment, then at least a few days for sanity testing....
76 2011-02-01 00:22:20 <draginx> "The dependencies are under ~/bitcoin/deps, the bitcoin source from svn is in ~/bitcoin/trunk" dependencie smeaning boost and all of that other stuff?
77 2011-02-01 00:22:32 <draginx> and whats new in 0.3.2?
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79 2011-02-01 00:23:14 <lyspooner> i sense that bitcoin is just an efficient-market solution created by gavinandresen to break sha256
80 2011-02-01 00:23:15 <slush> gavinandresen: btw are you currently main developer of bitcoin? Or is there more users with access to main repository?
81 2011-02-01 00:23:50 <gavinandresen> slush: tcatm,dooglus, and jgarzik all have commit access to the git repo.
82 2011-02-01 00:24:41 <andrew12> gavinandresen: \o/
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84 2011-02-01 00:25:16 <slush> I know it's quite common question, but where is satoshi? ;)
85 2011-02-01 00:26:07 <lyspooner> there is no satoshi
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88 2011-02-01 00:28:25 <andrew12> satoshi is a spoon!
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91 2011-02-01 00:31:15 <draginx> i thougth we didnt need wxwidgets anymore?
92 2011-02-01 00:31:28 <midnightmagic> not for bitcoind i don't think
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94 2011-02-01 00:33:42 <nanotube> draginx: bitcoind doesn't need wx. gui does.
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96 2011-02-01 00:34:37 <draginx> aye
97 2011-02-01 00:35:21 <midnightmagic> lyspooner: Don't the transactions rely on pubkey spendings? My understanding is less than perfect..
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101 2011-02-01 00:37:14 <midnightmagic> Once upon a time someone told me the hash could change going forward but I can't find the comments in a grep now.
102 2011-02-01 00:37:28 <midnightmagic> so.. I guess I don't actually know that.
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114 2011-02-01 00:55:20 <draginx> http://pastie.org/private/iov1c2o80rtcelgh7tzq why am I getting this error/
115 2011-02-01 00:56:30 <draginx> nvm for some reason prefix is not placing files where i need 'em -_-
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117 2011-02-01 01:00:31 <draginx> nvm im an idiot
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119 2011-02-01 01:01:44 <draginx> What's the best way to just constantly check my wallet's status?
120 2011-02-01 01:03:07 <draginx> Just need to kind of streamline and see transactions coming in.. would also like to delete older transactions O_o anyway to do this?
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123 2011-02-01 01:09:25 <necrodearia> Is anyone available to test a website for use/functionality?
124 2011-02-01 01:10:16 <necrodearia> http://witcoin.com:2982/
125 2011-02-01 01:10:18 <draginx> sure?
126 2011-02-01 01:10:32 <slush> necrodearia: what with pizza 4 btc?
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128 2011-02-01 01:10:38 <draginx> uhm mind if i be a dick for a quick second? the color theme on this is not that great
129 2011-02-01 01:10:43 <draginx> u can buy pizza with btc?! :P
130 2011-02-01 01:10:47 <necrodearia> slush, nothing, pizza4btc is all alone for the moment
131 2011-02-01 01:10:53 <slush> colors are horrible :)
132 2011-02-01 01:10:58 <necrodearia> slush, I will tend to it before it suicides.
133 2011-02-01 01:11:03 <necrodearia> slush, Oh?
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135 2011-02-01 01:11:16 <slush> witcoin...
136 2011-02-01 01:11:21 <draginx> whats the purpose of witcoin?
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138 2011-02-01 01:11:39 <necrodearia> draginx, the purpose is to make all your wildest dreams come true
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140 2011-02-01 01:12:06 <andrew12> draginx: its like reddit, but an upvote costs 1 btc ;)
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142 2011-02-01 01:12:21 <slush> necrodearia: I think buying pizza for btc in way you proposed is really good idea. Too bad it is dead
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144 2011-02-01 01:12:49 <nanotube> slush: if you help out, it can revive.
145 2011-02-01 01:13:09 <draginx> andrew12: an *entire* BTC?! meh
146 2011-02-01 01:13:17 <andrew12> heh
147 2011-02-01 01:13:52 <dirtyfilthy> why would you pay that much to upvote?
148 2011-02-01 01:14:14 <draginx> I mean at least make it *start out* at 0.01 then go up on frontpage news :P
149 2011-02-01 01:14:19 <draginx> http://pastie.org/private/eo0qwcfag5y1dwtuthaw7w <â why am I getting this error? :(
150 2011-02-01 01:14:38 <nanotube> it doesn't cost 1 whole btc
151 2011-02-01 01:14:45 <nanotube> it is in fact .01 btc, afaik
152 2011-02-01 01:14:48 <necrodearia> slush, Ohnoes, it deaded? ACK!!! Any clerics available?
153 2011-02-01 01:15:00 * necrodearia wtb 100% rez
154 2011-02-01 01:15:11 <citizen> haha
155 2011-02-01 01:15:29 <slush> ?
156 2011-02-01 01:15:29 <citizen> i was a cleric in eq2
157 2011-02-01 01:15:46 <Diablo-D3> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_bkFIPLIOGL8/TPlPGXnKOJI/AAAAAAAAvec/xTY26-Jiz7M/s1600/funneighbors.jpg
158 2011-02-01 01:15:47 <necrodearia> slush, There were a few issues I encountered with pizza4btc. One was excessive bloat using Drupal environment. It caused the vps to die frequently.
159 2011-02-01 01:15:53 * Diablo-D3 changes the name of his AP
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161 2011-02-01 01:16:02 <necrodearia> In the futrue I will convert to a completely from scratch implementation instead of using drupal.
162 2011-02-01 01:16:05 <citizen> Ne Plus Ultra
163 2011-02-01 01:16:12 <andrew12> IN THE FUTRUE!
164 2011-02-01 01:16:16 <dirtyfilthy> dragnix: why for quote in -I"/data
165 2011-02-01 01:16:17 <necrodearia> yes, futrue
166 2011-02-01 01:16:20 <draginx> do i still need to technically install wxWidget?
167 2011-02-01 01:16:22 <necrodearia> as oppsoed to futfalse
168 2011-02-01 01:16:24 <andrew12> back to the futrue
169 2011-02-01 01:16:25 <draginx> even if im not using nogui in order to compile
170 2011-02-01 01:16:33 <andrew12> necrodearia: fufalse*
171 2011-02-01 01:16:37 <necrodearia> yes, fufalse
172 2011-02-01 01:16:47 <andrew12> futrue, fufalse = true, false
173 2011-02-01 01:16:52 <andrew12> now go write code!
174 2011-02-01 01:16:54 <andrew12> lol
175 2011-02-01 01:17:06 <Cusipzzz> these guys have some serious cajones to set min of 1 btc/day min for an ad on a site w/10 pageviews/day
176 2011-02-01 01:17:57 <draginx> :P
177 2011-02-01 01:17:59 <Cusipzzz> crazy
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179 2011-02-01 01:20:09 <citizen> lol
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181 2011-02-01 01:22:52 <draginx> but seriously why am I getting that error? :( do u need wxWidget in order to just *compile* bitcoin or no?
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187 2011-02-01 01:36:18 <molecular> dragnix: there's a '"' missing on your commandline
188 2011-02-01 01:36:37 <molecular> draginx, after -I"/data/users/cripples/bitcoin/deps/include
189 2011-02-01 01:36:44 <draginx> yeah I know
190 2011-02-01 01:36:50 <draginx> but likeâ¦.thats not where that file is O_o
191 2011-02-01 01:36:55 <draginx> like i cant edit that or anything about that O_o
192 2011-02-01 01:37:07 <draginx> or at least idk where its trying to call that (its in the make process)
193 2011-02-01 01:38:00 <molecular> I never built bitcoin... but maybe try rerunning the autoconf stuff?
194 2011-02-01 01:38:49 <draginx> i just added a '"' and its sort of working but getting new errors now
195 2011-02-01 01:38:50 <molecular> maybe take a look at Makefile and locate the problem
196 2011-02-01 01:39:10 <draginx> it seems like it stillw ants wxWidget WHY?! gah
197 2011-02-01 01:39:12 <molecular> how did you add it? where? you said you couldn't influence that, cause it's part of make process
198 2011-02-01 01:39:44 <draginx> i did it in the makefile.unix file
199 2011-02-01 01:39:57 <draginx> but i shouldnt have *had* to do that (probably a bug in their current makefile)
200 2011-02-01 01:40:42 <molecular> now you're getting compiler errors?
201 2011-02-01 01:41:39 <Kiba> hey guys
202 2011-02-01 01:41:42 * Kiba is tired as well
203 2011-02-01 01:42:14 <draginx> molecular: ya its asking for wx :( need to compile that
204 2011-02-01 01:42:56 <molecular> well, maybe easiest just to get wx
205 2011-02-01 01:43:10 <molecular> as said, I never built bitcoin, just used binary
206 2011-02-01 01:44:18 <draginx> yer
207 2011-02-01 01:44:32 <draginx> for bitcoind u need to compile it :(
208 2011-02-01 01:44:47 <doublec> it needs wxWindget for the gui
209 2011-02-01 01:44:53 <doublec> if yo ujust want bitcoind it doesn't need it
210 2011-02-01 01:45:01 <doublec> just do: make -f makefile.unix bitcoind
211 2011-02-01 01:46:42 <draginx> god i hate myself, I haaaaad that lol :( sorry [took it off later]
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213 2011-02-01 01:50:52 <draginx> g++: /data/users/cripples/bitcoin/deps/lib/libdb_cxx-4.8.a: No such file or directory
214 2011-02-01 01:50:57 <draginx> 5.1 doesnt work? :(
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220 2011-02-01 01:59:21 <draginx> http://pastie.org/private/89kwlq3p9gslohwtn4urfg any idea why my libcrypto is not working?
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222 2011-02-01 02:03:43 <MT`AwAy> draginx, add -ldl ?
223 2011-02-01 02:03:52 <draginx> to where?
224 2011-02-01 02:04:04 <MT`AwAy> draginx, to the makefile, on a line where you already have -lcrypto
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226 2011-02-01 02:04:11 <MT`AwAy> near the end of the line
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229 2011-02-01 02:04:20 <MT`AwAy> looks like your static libcrypto depends on libdl
230 2011-02-01 02:04:37 <MT`AwAy> since it's a static lib the dependencies can only be obtained through pkg-config (or by adding them manually)
231 2011-02-01 02:05:38 <MT`AwAy> to be sure, run: pkg-config --libs libcrypto
232 2011-02-01 02:05:49 <draginx> http://pastie.org/private/wlnwrbdsc4gijgxqac4hsw got this now
233 2011-02-01 02:05:51 <draginx> on redhat
234 2011-02-01 02:06:08 <draginx> -L/usr/kerberos/lib64 -lcrypto -ldl -lz <â returned that
235 2011-02-01 02:06:11 <draginx> so any idea? O-o
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237 2011-02-01 02:06:17 <MT`AwAy> add -lpthread
238 2011-02-01 02:06:18 <draginx> thats under a diff user ugh
239 2011-02-01 02:06:40 <MT`AwAy> should cover for that error
240 2011-02-01 02:06:59 <MT`AwAy> (normally you should add -pthread but I don't remember which var is the right one in bitcoin makefile)
241 2011-02-01 02:07:05 <draginx> http://pastie.org/private/u1lqn6pkfk5ylic8ma3tw new error :(
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243 2011-02-01 02:09:25 <draginx> i just dont understand why its this hard to compile :S
244 2011-02-01 02:09:33 <draginx> http://heliacal.net/~solar/bitcoin/bitcoin-linuxbuild.pdf followed these directions
245 2011-02-01 02:09:59 <draginx> except the svn
246 2011-02-01 02:10:01 <draginx> i used git
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248 2011-02-01 02:10:46 <doublec> what linux distro?
249 2011-02-01 02:11:39 <draginx> redhat
250 2011-02-01 02:11:44 <draginx> 64 bit
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257 2011-02-01 02:18:15 <draginx> doublec: does the distro matter? :S (I mean in terms of my problem)
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259 2011-02-01 02:20:01 <doublec> I was curious because i seem to recall it being painless to build on ubuntiu
260 2011-02-01 02:20:20 <draginx> yaaaa i wish i was on a ubuntu box but im not :(
261 2011-02-01 02:20:29 <draginx> kind of wanted to learn how to compile everything via source too :P meh
262 2011-02-01 02:20:42 <citizen> i seem to be getting a lot lower btc from the pool
263 2011-02-01 02:20:49 <citizen> than the calculator in irc states
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265 2011-02-01 02:21:06 <citizen> like half :(
266 2011-02-01 02:21:35 <draginx> how long u been doing?
267 2011-02-01 02:21:36 <[Noodles]> on what timeframe?
268 2011-02-01 02:21:40 <citizen> 2 days
269 2011-02-01 02:21:44 <[Noodles]> lol
270 2011-02-01 02:21:57 <[Noodles]> hashrate?
271 2011-02-01 02:22:01 <citizen> 175k
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273 2011-02-01 02:22:06 <doublec> update us in 365 days and see if it's still a problem
274 2011-02-01 02:22:20 <citizen> according to gribbles i should be getting 8 btc/day
275 2011-02-01 02:22:27 <[Noodles]> give it a week or 2, then check again
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277 2011-02-01 02:22:38 <citizen> okie
278 2011-02-01 02:22:42 <doublec> the pool had a terrible day yesterday iirc
279 2011-02-01 02:22:45 <doublec> or the day before
280 2011-02-01 02:22:51 <doublec> where it took a *long* time to find blocks
281 2011-02-01 02:23:50 <[Noodles]> i actually went solo yesterday because of increased connection-probs to the pool
282 2011-02-01 02:23:59 <doublec> draginx: on mint linux 10 (an ubuntu variant) 64 bit I just installed libdb4.8++-dev, libboost1.40-all-dev and did the make and it worked fine
283 2011-02-01 02:24:34 <draginx> ugh i wish i had root access im gonna see if i can get my sysadmin on it he gave me a weird hybrid setup meh
284 2011-02-01 02:24:36 <draginx> thanks for ur time :)
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286 2011-02-01 02:24:42 <citizen> 5870s just came down a lot on newegg :)
287 2011-02-01 02:25:44 <jgarzik> does diablo and m0mchil miners support connecting to oddball TCP ports such as 8334?
288 2011-02-01 02:26:02 <citizen> i know m0chil's does
289 2011-02-01 02:26:13 <DiabloD3> jgarzik: er, yes?
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291 2011-02-01 02:26:21 <DiabloD3> you have to set the port anyhow when not using localhost
292 2011-02-01 02:26:44 <DiabloD3> unless you're using the default, anyways
293 2011-02-01 02:26:54 <citizen> does your computer beep every time someone says diablo? :D
294 2011-02-01 02:27:05 <DiabloD3> no
295 2011-02-01 02:27:14 <DiabloD3> I have a computer dedicated to irc
296 2011-02-01 02:27:17 <Kiba> so guys
297 2011-02-01 02:27:22 <noagendamarket> lol
298 2011-02-01 02:27:24 <Kiba> it's .50 by the end of the month!
299 2011-02-01 02:27:27 <Kiba> WOOHOO!
300 2011-02-01 02:27:34 <DiabloD3> AND MY AXE
301 2011-02-01 02:27:47 <noagendamarket> we nearly reached parity last night...
302 2011-02-01 02:28:00 <Kiba> nearly?
303 2011-02-01 02:28:07 <Kiba> I thought we reached .50 parity?
304 2011-02-01 02:28:12 <noagendamarket> .95 at mt gox
305 2011-02-01 02:28:12 <Cusipzzz> .95
306 2011-02-01 02:28:13 <Kiba> and .90 is like a temporary price
307 2011-02-01 02:28:42 <noagendamarket> well someone bought at that :)-
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310 2011-02-01 02:29:46 <Kiba> the market cap is now an estimated 2.7 million dollars!
311 2011-02-01 02:29:58 <draginx> USD or 2.7BTC?
312 2011-02-01 02:30:08 <citizen> USD
313 2011-02-01 02:30:14 <Kiba> http://bitcoinwatch.com/
314 2011-02-01 02:30:19 <citizen> there are like 5.2+ million BTC in circulation
315 2011-02-01 02:30:43 <Kiba> I guess I'll have to lower price of all my future art
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317 2011-02-01 02:30:57 <Kiba> to 0.03
318 2011-02-01 02:31:08 <Kiba> now, isn't that nice?
319 2011-02-01 02:32:06 <lfm> ;;bc,totalbc
320 2011-02-01 02:32:07 <gribble> 5279450.00000000
321 2011-02-01 02:33:09 <MT`AwAy> we may need to add a decimal to bitcoin :p
322 2011-02-01 02:33:21 <draginx> lol yer
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325 2011-02-01 02:34:06 <lfm> MT`AwAy: what?
326 2011-02-01 02:34:12 <MT`AwAy> (I personally think the market will be back to ~0.3 within a couple of weeks at most, but well)
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328 2011-02-01 02:34:45 <MT`AwAy> lfm, right now bitcoin client rounds values to 2 decimals, if value of bitcoin increases we may need to round to 3 decimals or so
329 2011-02-01 02:34:47 <Kiba> exciting time
330 2011-02-01 02:34:50 <draginx> how many confirmations are needed to solidify the transaction?
331 2011-02-01 02:35:00 <MT`AwAy> draginx, 6 is a good number
332 2011-02-01 02:35:15 <draginx> ty :) now to get bitcoind on redhat lol =x no yum package :(
333 2011-02-01 02:35:25 <lfm> why? I hate pennies in rl, why bother with virtual ones
334 2011-02-01 02:35:47 <Cusipzzz> mtgox: double or nothing on my vps renewals that it doesn't hit .3 in next 2 weeks? :)
335 2011-02-01 02:35:54 <Cusipzzz> eerr that was for MT
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337 2011-02-01 02:35:57 <MT`AwAy> xD
338 2011-02-01 02:36:27 <Cusipzzz> lol
339 2011-02-01 02:36:54 <Cusipzzz> but i hope you are right, just rly doubt it.
340 2011-02-01 02:37:05 <lfm> seems the total transactions are more significant than the total btc in circulation.
341 2011-02-01 02:37:21 <lfm> Total value of transactions: 2.30407e+07
342 2011-02-01 02:37:40 <Cusipzzz> most can be wash transactions...
343 2011-02-01 02:37:58 <lfm> and it includes change parts
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345 2011-02-01 02:40:02 <theymos> andrew12: http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/q
346 2011-02-01 02:40:19 <andrew12> \o/
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348 2011-02-01 02:42:15 <draginx> totalbc is off theymos O_o
349 2011-02-01 02:42:27 <draginx> ah nvm diff between circulation and nonc-irc
350 2011-02-01 02:43:07 <noagendamarket> http://www.businessinsider.com/intels-billion-dollar-mistake-2011-1 damn thats an expensive recall
351 2011-02-01 02:43:46 <Kiba> hmm
352 2011-02-01 02:44:07 <Kiba> next major resistance is at .75 BTC
353 2011-02-01 02:44:33 bertodsera has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
354 2011-02-01 02:44:41 <Kiba> err USD
355 2011-02-01 02:45:54 bertodsera has joined
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358 2011-02-01 02:53:39 <draginx> is bitcoin.app suppose to go at 160% CPU?
359 2011-02-01 02:54:12 <lfm> is generating on? how many cores you have?
360 2011-02-01 02:54:21 <draginx> ah yer generating is on (thats normal then ya?)
361 2011-02-01 02:54:29 <draginx> not sur e2 cores i believe
362 2011-02-01 02:54:44 <lfm> should be normal 200% then
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364 2011-02-01 02:55:34 <draginx> ah ok thanks :) I'll buy a mining box hah
365 2011-02-01 02:55:52 <Kiba> we're a startup economy!
366 2011-02-01 02:55:56 <Kiba> not a startup company!
367 2011-02-01 02:55:58 <Kiba> get it?
368 2011-02-01 02:57:36 MJD has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
369 2011-02-01 02:57:52 <draginx> Yeah but *I'M* a startup company ;)
370 2011-02-01 02:58:01 <draginx> *nom noms on all BTCs*
371 2011-02-01 02:58:31 <draginx> I'm just gonna colelct all of the BTCs and then delete the wallet or hide the wallet somewhere in the world then make a site called "Where in the world is BitCoinDiego?!" (Diego = wallet name)
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373 2011-02-01 02:59:25 <Keefe> good luck collecting even 10% of all bitcoins :)
374 2011-02-01 02:59:30 <Kiba> yeah baby!
375 2011-02-01 02:59:34 <Kiba> GO BITCOIN GO!
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377 2011-02-01 03:01:08 <Kiba> noagendamarket: did you email the editor about an advertisment?
378 2011-02-01 03:02:05 <Cusipzzz> Kiba: how much are the ads?
379 2011-02-01 03:03:27 <Kiba> Cusipzzz: we're getting pretty desperate now
380 2011-02-01 03:03:42 <Kiba> it seem that I am able to find ads, while the new editor can't
381 2011-02-01 03:03:46 <Cusipzzz> Kiba: i like the sound of that
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383 2011-02-01 03:03:50 <Cusipzzz> :)
384 2011-02-01 03:03:53 <Kiba> Cusipzzz: 25 BTC
385 2011-02-01 03:04:08 <Cusipzzz> hmm, not desperate enough for me, but gl
386 2011-02-01 03:04:18 <Kiba> 20 BTC
387 2011-02-01 03:04:29 <Cusipzzz> not even warm, sadly
388 2011-02-01 03:04:36 <Kiba> 15 BTC
389 2011-02-01 03:04:52 <Cusipzzz> is there a decimal in there? my eyes are bad
390 2011-02-01 03:05:06 <Kiba> 10 BTC
391 2011-02-01 03:05:09 <Cusipzzz> lol
392 2011-02-01 03:05:33 <Kiba> yes or no?
393 2011-02-01 03:06:10 <Cusipzzz> no sorry. was thinking a couple btc only. when you get that desperate, let me know
394 2011-02-01 03:06:23 <Kiba> 9 BTC
395 2011-02-01 03:06:28 <Kiba> remember, you get a full page ads
396 2011-02-01 03:06:39 <Cusipzzz> ;;ud couple
397 2011-02-01 03:06:39 <gribble> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=couple | "hey i gotta a couple of bucks to put on that sack son!" ... buy couple mugs, tshirts and magnets. a pair. Two. Double. ...
398 2011-02-01 03:06:44 <lfm> whats the circulation?
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400 2011-02-01 03:07:10 <Kiba> lfm: the price is free..the circulation is usually as the most people I can hawk into reading and then some
401 2011-02-01 03:07:23 <Kiba> Cusipzzz: 5 BTC
402 2011-02-01 03:07:27 <lfm> kiba how many downloads then?
403 2011-02-01 03:07:38 <Kiba> I don't know
404 2011-02-01 03:07:44 <Kiba> ask the editor-in-chief
405 2011-02-01 03:07:46 <Kiba> I am just a writer
406 2011-02-01 03:07:54 <lfm> kiba if you knew it would help you sell ads
407 2011-02-01 03:08:07 <Kiba> Cusipzzz: 3 BTC
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409 2011-02-01 03:08:23 <Kiba> yes or no, Cusipzzz?
410 2011-02-01 03:08:28 <Cusipzzz> Kiba: sold
411 2011-02-01 03:08:55 <Cusipzzz> who do i give the text too ?
412 2011-02-01 03:09:04 <MT`AwAy> anyone knows who is Dooglus ?
413 2011-02-01 03:09:20 <luke-jr> dooglus seems intelligent, from what I've seen
414 2011-02-01 03:09:27 <luke-jr> what do you mean "who he is"?
415 2011-02-01 03:09:35 <Cusipzzz> ;;seen sooglus
416 2011-02-01 03:09:35 <gribble> I have not seen sooglus.
417 2011-02-01 03:09:39 <Cusipzzz> ;;seen dooglus
418 2011-02-01 03:09:39 <gribble> dooglus was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 21 hours, 15 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <dooglus> ['hel', 'lo ', 'wor', 'ld!']
419 2011-02-01 03:09:44 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: any ETA on allowing other developers for QBitcoin?
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421 2011-02-01 03:10:03 <Kiba> Cusipzzz: email chris200x9@aol.com and tell him that Kiba sent you and that he's not very happy about doing his job
422 2011-02-01 03:10:07 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, he contributed to the wiki, but not participating in contributors award
423 2011-02-01 03:10:11 <Cusipzzz> Kiba: lolol
424 2011-02-01 03:10:24 <Kiba> Cusipzzz: err, your job
425 2011-02-01 03:10:25 <MT`AwAy> maybe I should just send an email to all the non-participating people once I finish computing the participation scores
426 2011-02-01 03:10:28 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: I am <.<
427 2011-02-01 03:10:29 <Kiba> yeah, that's it
428 2011-02-01 03:10:36 <Kiba> his job is to raise as much bitcoin as much possible
429 2011-02-01 03:11:30 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, I got late for QBitcoin because of some local issues (in fact, a lot of issues and stuff I have to manage/fix/etc), so it's probably going to be between mid-feb to end-feb at this rate (depends on how fast the issues I got are resolved)
430 2011-02-01 03:12:00 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: why do contributors need to wait for a release? -.-
431 2011-02-01 03:12:08 <Cusipzzz> Kiba: email sent
432 2011-02-01 03:12:22 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, to avoid starting working on parts of the code I might change completly
433 2011-02-01 03:12:32 <MT`AwAy> (or remove)
434 2011-02-01 03:12:53 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: bad reason IMO :P
435 2011-02-01 03:13:04 <MT`AwAy> just want to establish a stable base framework
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437 2011-02-01 03:13:27 <MT`AwAy> I'm not 100% satisfied with the current one, and it took longer than I expected to re-implement ECC
438 2011-02-01 03:14:01 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: nobody is perfect. if nobody else looks at it, chances are when we can later, *someone* will find something to change
439 2011-02-01 03:14:19 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: that is, no framework should be deemed stable until long after it's open to public eyes
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441 2011-02-01 03:14:41 <Kiba> woah!
442 2011-02-01 03:14:44 <Kiba> .6
443 2011-02-01 03:15:02 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, yep, but as long as there are bad things so obvious even I can see them, it's still a bit of work
444 2011-02-01 03:15:11 <MT`AwAy> (also it's not stable yet anyway, got more work to do)
445 2011-02-01 03:15:22 purpleposeidon is now known as purpleposeidonhu
446 2011-02-01 03:15:29 purpleposeidonhu is now known as purpleposeidon
447 2011-02-01 03:15:37 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: so why not allow others to look as well, and point things out earlier on?
448 2011-02-01 03:15:46 <draginx> whats qbitcoin?
449 2011-02-01 03:15:54 <luke-jr> draginx: the next generation bitcoin client :p
450 2011-02-01 03:16:01 <draginx> lol :P for mac?!
451 2011-02-01 03:16:13 <luke-jr> draginx: if you compile it probably :P
452 2011-02-01 03:16:21 <draginx> meh hopefully dont need to port it :P
453 2011-02-01 03:16:29 <luke-jr> draginx: it's Qt, no porting required
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457 2011-02-01 03:16:46 <MT`AwAy> it's Qt and should be endian neutral
458 2011-02-01 03:16:50 <draginx> ahh figured thats what the q stood for
459 2011-02-01 03:16:53 <MT`AwAy> no wxwidgets, no boost
460 2011-02-01 03:17:04 <MT`AwAy> only Qt, and ltm for BM
461 2011-02-01 03:17:07 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: in the meantime, people like me just are stuck twiddling our fingers trying to fix the ugly C++ client instead of improving the new one :P
462 2011-02-01 03:17:24 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: QCA?
463 2011-02-01 03:17:32 <draginx> Anyone got a big pic of th bitcoin icon?
464 2011-02-01 03:17:39 <luke-jr> draginx: check the forums
465 2011-02-01 03:17:56 <draginx> http://www.howtovanish.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Bitcoin.jpg
466 2011-02-01 03:18:05 <MT`AwAy> QCA ?
467 2011-02-01 03:18:15 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: Qt crypto
468 2011-02-01 03:18:28 <luke-jr> http://delta.affinix.com/qca/
469 2011-02-01 03:18:35 <luke-jr> Qt Cryptographic Architecture (QCA)
470 2011-02-01 03:18:53 <luke-jr> would think this would be a key library for QBitCoinâ¦
471 2011-02-01 03:19:27 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, nope
472 2011-02-01 03:19:41 <MT`AwAy> especially since the most important part, the wallet process, is not using Qt
473 2011-02-01 03:19:47 <luke-jr> <.<
474 2011-02-01 03:19:48 <luke-jr> why not
475 2011-02-01 03:20:25 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: got RPC v1 added in? :p
476 2011-02-01 03:20:43 <MT`AwAy> avoid using huge framework containing unneeded features which may become potential security exploits at a later time, increase portability, and also because it has been requested by a lot of people
477 2011-02-01 03:21:00 <MT`AwAy> also qca license is too restrictive
478 2011-02-01 03:21:11 * MT`AwAy only works with free software
479 2011-02-01 03:21:22 <MT`AwAy> (or with proprietary software for my own company)
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481 2011-02-01 03:21:28 <luke-jr> QCA *is* free software
482 2011-02-01 03:21:41 <MT`AwAy> *GPL restricts freedom of end users
483 2011-02-01 03:21:48 <luke-jr> nope
484 2011-02-01 03:21:53 <luke-jr> GPL doesn't restrict use at all
485 2011-02-01 03:22:17 <luke-jr> not to mention QCA isn't GPL
486 2011-02-01 03:22:24 <MT`AwAy> it's LGPL
487 2011-02-01 03:22:26 <lfm> gpl restrict developers, not users
488 2011-02-01 03:22:30 <MT`AwAy> that's why I said "*GPL"
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490 2011-02-01 03:22:47 <MT`AwAy> anyway as much as possible I avoid using anything related to the FSF
491 2011-02-01 03:22:53 <luke-jr> LGPL/GPL restrict distributors, in order to prevent those distributors from restricting end users.
492 2011-02-01 03:22:54 <MT`AwAy> if I had more time I'd finish my os and get rid of linux
493 2011-02-01 03:23:06 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: Qt itself is LGPL
494 2011-02-01 03:23:09 <MT`AwAy> (BSD sucks in term of performances, I got rid of it after a while)
495 2011-02-01 03:23:10 <luke-jr> so you're being hypocritical
496 2011-02-01 03:23:37 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, Qt offers you the ability to buy more freedom if you happen no need some
497 2011-02-01 03:23:42 <MT`AwAy> the FSF steals people's code
498 2011-02-01 03:23:49 <luke-jr> nonsense
499 2011-02-01 03:24:18 <luke-jr> you can *always* buy another license, so long as the copyright holder is alive
500 2011-02-01 03:24:18 <MT`AwAy> take a simple example: a developper of library X has released his code under GPL, and being a nice boy, gave his rights to the FSF
501 2011-02-01 03:24:32 <MT`AwAy> now, he wants to allow me to link his GPL code under BSD, problem: the FSF said no
502 2011-02-01 03:24:37 <andrew12> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
503 2011-02-01 03:24:37 <andrew12> make: *** [bitcoind] Error 1
504 2011-02-01 03:24:41 <andrew12> err
505 2011-02-01 03:24:44 <andrew12> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
506 2011-02-01 03:24:44 <andrew12> make: *** [bitcoind] Error 1
507 2011-02-01 03:24:46 <andrew12> wtf
508 2011-02-01 03:24:50 <echelon> MT`AwAy, i got my domain :D
509 2011-02-01 03:24:51 <andrew12> oh
510 2011-02-01 03:24:54 <andrew12> the first line starts with /
511 2011-02-01 03:24:56 <MT`AwAy> echelon, yep, I saw
512 2011-02-01 03:24:57 <andrew12> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgthread-2.0
513 2011-02-01 03:24:57 <andrew12> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
514 2011-02-01 03:24:57 <andrew12> make: *** [bitcoind] Error 1
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516 2011-02-01 03:25:05 <andrew12> sorry for flooding -.-
517 2011-02-01 03:25:07 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: FSF won't even accept copyright assignment unless the code is to become part of their OS
518 2011-02-01 03:25:19 <andrew12> anyone got any help?
519 2011-02-01 03:25:44 <echelon> ooh, so that's why bitcoinmarket.com never works for me when i enter it in the address bar
520 2011-02-01 03:25:48 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, the lib in question is distributed with most linux distributions
521 2011-02-01 03:25:48 <hacim> andrew12: you are missing a library
522 2011-02-01 03:25:49 <echelon> it only listens on ssl/443
523 2011-02-01 03:26:08 <MT`AwAy> andrew12, google likely does
524 2011-02-01 03:26:23 <theymos> gthread is part of glib, I believe.
525 2011-02-01 03:26:40 <luke-jr> in any case, GPL is free software.
526 2011-02-01 03:26:58 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: QBitCoin Wallet support RPC v1 yet?
527 2011-02-01 03:27:07 <MT`AwAy> RPC v1 ?
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529 2011-02-01 03:27:17 <luke-jr> https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3028.0 https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3065.0
530 2011-02-01 03:27:19 <Cusipzzz> sigh..not this again :P
531 2011-02-01 03:27:40 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: integer values for bitcoin amounts in JSON-RPC
532 2011-02-01 03:28:03 <lfm> andrew12: prolly missing glib11
533 2011-02-01 03:28:24 <MT`AwAy> the wallet itself has no RPC
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535 2011-02-01 03:29:03 <luke-jr> oh
536 2011-02-01 03:29:06 <MT`AwAy> the qbitcoind app (daemon) allows however two kind of JSON-RPC (one is known as "compatibility" or "legacy", the other one is one I called "native" and only use int values)
537 2011-02-01 03:29:30 <andrew12> lfm: thanks :)
538 2011-02-01 03:29:35 * andrew12 has a running bitcoind now \o/
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540 2011-02-01 03:29:53 <lfm> andrew12: wtg
541 2011-02-01 03:29:57 <luke-jr> see, those of us stuck working on the old-client are reinventing stuff because your development is closed -.-
542 2011-02-01 03:29:57 <draginx> >< god why cant i have a running bitcoind
543 2011-02-01 03:30:02 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, and here the RPC version is not chosen by changing the method name, but the url you post to
544 2011-02-01 03:30:26 <luke-jr> !
545 2011-02-01 03:30:38 * luke-jr didn't even think of that possibility
546 2011-02-01 03:30:42 <MT`AwAy> :þ
547 2011-02-01 03:30:51 <MT`AwAy> post to / => legacy
548 2011-02-01 03:30:56 <luke-jr> tbh, I didn't even see HTTP-related code in the old bitcoin client
549 2011-02-01 03:31:01 <MT`AwAy> it's in boost
550 2011-02-01 03:31:19 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: so again, when will you work openly so we aren't duplicating work? :p
551 2011-02-01 03:31:52 <MT`AwAy> soon enough (I just don't want people to see the ugly things I'm doing right now)
552 2011-02-01 03:32:35 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: what about specs for the RPC at least, so we can add it to the existing forum discussions as an option to consider?
553 2011-02-01 03:32:45 <citizen> does overclocking the memory on GPUs make any difference?
554 2011-02-01 03:33:02 <luke-jr> citizen: maybe makes them fry sooner
555 2011-02-01 03:33:17 <citizen> so it doesn't affect hash rate
556 2011-02-01 03:33:19 <luke-jr> no
557 2011-02-01 03:33:41 <lfm> citizen: for btc mining you can underclock memory and get better efficientcy
558 2011-02-01 03:34:02 <citizen> how does that give better efficiency?
559 2011-02-01 03:34:08 <citizen> you mean power consumption?
560 2011-02-01 03:34:17 <lfm> lower power consumption for the same speed
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562 2011-02-01 03:34:34 <luke-jr> haha
563 2011-02-01 03:34:35 <luke-jr> nice
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565 2011-02-01 03:34:58 <citizen> that's cool - i will try it right now
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573 2011-02-01 03:47:39 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, btw I can see no mention of ECDSA on QCA
574 2011-02-01 03:47:52 <luke-jr> me either
575 2011-02-01 03:48:27 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: so what's going on with the contributors award? :)
576 2011-02-01 03:48:54 <kiba> well I get paid, MT`AwAy?
577 2011-02-01 03:49:00 <kiba> will you put operationfabulous ads?
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579 2011-02-01 03:49:50 <MT`AwAy> nanotube, I have one week starting today to finish computing the contributors list and publish it
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581 2011-02-01 03:50:02 <MT`AwAy> then once the list is published, the payout will be done within 3 days
582 2011-02-01 03:50:05 <MT`AwAy> all the details are on the page :)
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584 2011-02-01 03:50:09 <kiba> did you write a script to compute the contributors list
585 2011-02-01 03:50:09 <MT`AwAy> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin:Contributors_Award#How_are_winners_decided
586 2011-02-01 03:50:18 <MT`AwAy> kiba, yep, I'm using mediawiki's api for that
587 2011-02-01 03:50:24 <nanotube> MT`AwAy: cool :)
588 2011-02-01 03:50:46 <MT`AwAy> I'll be making test runs during the week to come and tweak the scoring until it looks fair enough
589 2011-02-01 03:51:50 <MT`AwAy> I hope next one will receive more donations
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593 2011-02-01 03:56:31 <MT`AwAy> kiba, not sure the official wiki needs to advertise on operation fabulous :p
594 2011-02-01 03:56:44 <kiba> MT`AwAy: publish ads on the wiki
595 2011-02-01 03:56:49 <MT`AwAy> (or maybe you meant the other way around, show ads on the wiki, but that's something I'd like to avoid)
596 2011-02-01 03:59:39 <dirtyfilthy> MT`AwAy: cool idea
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598 2011-02-01 04:00:09 <MT`AwAy> dirtyfilthy, which one?
599 2011-02-01 04:00:16 <dirtyfilthy> contributors award
600 2011-02-01 04:00:24 <MT`AwAy> :)
601 2011-02-01 04:01:57 <kiba> I am kinda sad that my fellow libertarians don't join in the bitcoin revolution :(
602 2011-02-01 04:02:46 <MT`AwAy> kiba, sad about?
603 2011-02-01 04:03:00 <kiba> because the economy would already be bigger!
604 2011-02-01 04:03:17 <kiba> but they're just content about complaining and not actually doing anything
605 2011-02-01 04:03:27 <dirtyfilthy> MT`AwAy: can your bot find any bitcoin address on user page or does it have to be in that special format
606 2011-02-01 04:03:46 <Cusipzzz> need to create a puch-card client and ron paul might use it.
607 2011-02-01 04:04:02 <MT`AwAy> dirtyfilthy, it'll try to check address starting with the "Contributors Award participant" string on the same line
608 2011-02-01 04:04:13 <MT`AwAy> if it doesn't find one, it'll search for any valid bitcoin address on the whole page
609 2011-02-01 04:04:17 <lfm> do not fold spindle or mutilate
610 2011-02-01 04:04:27 <dirtyfilthy> oh sweet, good call
611 2011-02-01 04:05:05 <MT`AwAy> the address contains a hash check, so why not use it :p
612 2011-02-01 04:05:17 <noagendamarket> kiba thats what libertarians do they talk about stuff endlessly
613 2011-02-01 04:05:29 <noagendamarket> its agorists who do the real legwork
614 2011-02-01 04:05:34 <Cusipzzz> ya, don;t want someone swapping in all of their own addresses for everyone on the day of prize award :)
615 2011-02-01 04:05:42 <MT`AwAy> https://stats.bitcoin.it/site/ <- if anyone cares about it I took screenshot of google analytics for the wiki
616 2011-02-01 04:05:46 <noagendamarket> especially with economic matters
617 2011-02-01 04:05:57 <MT`AwAy> Cusipzzz, the bot also checks who inserted the address on the user page
618 2011-02-01 04:06:11 <Cusipzzz> smart
619 2011-02-01 04:07:02 <MT`AwAy> any edits you didn't do yourself will be ignored :)
620 2011-02-01 04:08:01 <Cusipzzz> takes an angle-shooter to stop an angle-shooter imo
621 2011-02-01 04:08:11 <Cusipzzz> :)
622 2011-02-01 04:08:55 <MT`AwAy> 3rd keyword in search engines bringing people to the wiki: "satoshi nakamoto"
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624 2011-02-01 04:13:58 <MT`AwAy> someone arrived on the bitcoin wiki by searching "c# json-rpc http sample"
625 2011-02-01 04:14:23 <MT`AwAy> but not many interesting keywords
626 2011-02-01 04:15:27 <AAA_awright> luke-jr: Also, if you don't like SI prefixes, there's IEC prefixes which is base 1024 (i.e. base 2)
627 2011-02-01 04:15:51 <AAA_awright> For instance, KiB, TiB, etc, as it relates to computer RAM
628 2011-02-01 04:16:13 <lfm> thats the great thing about standards ... there are so many to choose from
629 2011-02-01 04:16:32 <kiba> hey guys
630 2011-02-01 04:16:37 <AAA_awright> So many to chose from *that are actually used*
631 2011-02-01 04:16:46 <kiba> if you need an advertising, I c an build a game that advertise the product for you
632 2011-02-01 04:17:15 <AAA_awright> kiba: http://magnode.org/
633 2011-02-01 04:17:16 <kiba> even put into some discount
634 2011-02-01 04:17:53 <kiba> AAA_awright: how am I supposed to advertise that? it seem to be a generic CMS
635 2011-02-01 04:18:01 <kiba> price is 250 BTC, minimum
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637 2011-02-01 04:18:16 <kiba> err
638 2011-02-01 04:18:26 <kiba> it's negotiatable
639 2011-02-01 04:18:41 <AAA_awright> kiba: I was just showing you... What about advertising?
640 2011-02-01 04:18:54 <lfm> so its actually 250 maximum
641 2011-02-01 04:18:56 <kiba> I create games that advertise product/site
642 2011-02-01 04:19:18 <kiba> lfm: wrong, that's just the price I like
643 2011-02-01 04:19:21 <AAA_awright> kiba: I think you'd have a better time working on this CMS but what am I to say
644 2011-02-01 04:19:34 <kiba> AAA_awright: I want to earn bitcoin!
645 2011-02-01 04:19:42 <AAA_awright> kiba: Lots of oppertunity for that here
646 2011-02-01 04:19:56 <AAA_awright> kiba: Actually, I have bounties out... I have to revise it downwards but yeah
647 2011-02-01 04:20:02 * kiba is trying to capture enough opportunity to fill his pipeline
648 2011-02-01 04:20:03 <AAA_awright> See http://magnode.org/doc
649 2011-02-01 04:20:20 <AAA_awright> Otherwise, there's lots of commercial oppertunity for selling services around this
650 2011-02-01 04:20:26 <MT`AwAy> an easy way to see that people looking at the bitcoin wiki are mostly geek/tech ppl: http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1815/bitcoinitbrowser.png
651 2011-02-01 04:20:36 * kiba doesn't know half of those things
652 2011-02-01 04:20:36 <AAA_awright> kiba: Particularly a blog, website, or data analysis hosting platform
653 2011-02-01 04:20:49 <MT`AwAy> kiba, you create what kind of games? :p
654 2011-02-01 04:21:08 <kiba> I'll create games that advertise products
655 2011-02-01 04:21:10 <kiba> HTML5
656 2011-02-01 04:21:12 <kiba> canvas
657 2011-02-01 04:21:22 <MT`AwAy> ok, so html5/javascript
658 2011-02-01 04:21:35 <MT`AwAy> kind of click'n'point and this kind of thing I guess
659 2011-02-01 04:21:36 <kiba> yup
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661 2011-02-01 04:21:48 <MT`AwAy> point'n'click*
662 2011-02-01 04:21:49 <MT`AwAy> xD
663 2011-02-01 04:21:59 <lfm> kiba will be next farmville
664 2011-02-01 04:22:02 <MT`AwAy> got any example of stuff you did ? :D
665 2011-02-01 04:22:15 <kiba> half-ass projects
666 2011-02-01 04:22:21 <kiba> I am still working JStet
667 2011-02-01 04:22:33 <kiba> still working on*
668 2011-02-01 04:22:37 <MT`AwAy> xD
669 2011-02-01 04:23:13 * kiba doesn't know if magnode is a business or not
670 2011-02-01 04:23:14 <MT`AwAy> anyway since I added 250 BTC to the bitcoin contributors award I'd first have to re-do my accounting before I take this kind of thing (I don't keep bitcoins)
671 2011-02-01 04:23:20 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: still decimalâ¦
672 2011-02-01 04:23:22 <AAA_awright> kiba: I'm looking for someone to develop a shiny frontend for what I'm working on, have you done any site design? Just a generic CMSy thing
673 2011-02-01 04:23:52 <AAA_awright> luke-jr: Huh? Units don't have bases
674 2011-02-01 04:24:00 <kiba> AAA_awright: I am a web developer..don't know shit about making pretty sites
675 2011-02-01 04:24:03 <AAA_awright> That's why they are called /units/
676 2011-02-01 04:24:09 <kiba> well beginner
677 2011-02-01 04:24:15 <AAA_awright> kiba: Doesn't the former imply the latter?
678 2011-02-01 04:24:17 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: nonsense
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680 2011-02-01 04:24:24 <lfm> army units have bases
681 2011-02-01 04:24:29 <AAA_awright> >_<
682 2011-02-01 04:24:37 <kiba> I programmed site
683 2011-02-01 04:24:37 <MT`AwAy> imperial units
684 2011-02-01 04:24:44 <kiba> not design pretty site
685 2011-02-01 04:24:46 <kiba> get the difference?
686 2011-02-01 04:24:49 <AAA_awright> lfm: Actually, army units have posts
687 2011-02-01 04:24:52 <AAA_awright> I think
688 2011-02-01 04:25:02 <lfm> oh air force units?
689 2011-02-01 04:25:14 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: why should one use IEC multipliers/divisors with Tonal numbers?
690 2011-02-01 04:25:21 <kiba> AAA_awright: if you want me to make fancy interface with jquery and stuff, I can do that
691 2011-02-01 04:25:31 <AAA_awright> luke-jr: Ki = 1024 = x400 = o2000 = b10000000000
692 2011-02-01 04:25:36 <luke-jr> 1 KiTBC = 400 TBC. Whyâ?
693 2011-02-01 04:25:42 <kiba> I don't know much about jquery but it's javascript, right?
694 2011-02-01 04:25:42 <luke-jr> totally illogical
695 2011-02-01 04:26:07 <kiba> AAA_awright: 210 BTC
696 2011-02-01 04:26:12 <luke-jr> There's nothing wrong with áµTBC, etc
697 2011-02-01 04:26:22 <luke-jr> plus, they're native to the Tonal system
698 2011-02-01 04:26:28 <AAA_awright> luke-jr: There's nothing logical or illogical about it, there's no logic involved period... You are talking either about aesthetics or efficency
699 2011-02-01 04:26:45 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: inefficiency over efficiency is illogical âº
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701 2011-02-01 04:27:06 <kiba> AAA_awright: if you like me writing fancy interface(not designing!), than I'll do it
702 2011-02-01 04:27:34 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: give me one reason to use KiTBC over Ë¢TBC or áµTBC
703 2011-02-01 04:27:45 * kiba can't choose a color scheme to save his life anyway
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705 2011-02-01 04:28:14 <AAA_awright> luke-jr: It's no different than multiplying numbers by 2 10 times... k means multiplying a number by 10 3 times, it's no different
706 2011-02-01 04:28:33 <AAA_awright> Or rather, by 4, 5 times
707 2011-02-01 04:28:34 <kiba> AAA_awright: yo?
708 2011-02-01 04:28:43 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: except 2, 8, and 16 are far easier to work with than 10
709 2011-02-01 04:28:57 <AAA_awright> luke-jr: It's not 10 it
710 2011-02-01 04:29:00 <AAA_awright> luke-jr: It's not 10 it's 2
711 2011-02-01 04:29:06 <luke-jr> â¦
712 2011-02-01 04:29:24 <luke-jr> Tonal is base 16(deci)
713 2011-02-01 04:29:53 <AAA_awright> That's like saying "Oh 10000 is such a bad number it has 4 10's in it and not 10 10's"
714 2011-02-01 04:29:57 <kiba> AAA_awright: yo, yo, yo!
715 2011-02-01 04:30:04 <AAA_awright> kiba: Thinking about it, uh
716 2011-02-01 04:30:14 <kiba> if you like the offer, email me?
717 2011-02-01 04:30:28 <kiba> if not but you would like me to do something, email me
718 2011-02-01 04:30:36 <AAA_awright> kiba: Check out my todo list and bounty, see what you know
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720 2011-02-01 04:30:49 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: ok, it could be worse than 400, but 10, 100, and 1000 work just fine
721 2011-02-01 04:31:55 <kiba> AAA_awright: I don't know any of that stuff
722 2011-02-01 04:32:17 <kiba> these sound like computer sciency stuff
723 2011-02-01 04:32:46 <AAA_awright> It's really computer science or it's really aesthetic, take your pick
724 2011-02-01 04:32:51 <AAA_awright> :p
725 2011-02-01 04:33:47 <kiba> anyway
726 2011-02-01 04:33:49 <kiba> good night
727 2011-02-01 04:33:53 <kiba> I am tired as fuck
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729 2011-02-01 04:36:02 <noagendamarket> I have an idea gentlemen
730 2011-02-01 04:36:18 <noagendamarket> if the internet is cutoff how do you access bitcoin?
731 2011-02-01 04:36:41 <noagendamarket> could we use bitcoin with telephone banking ?
732 2011-02-01 04:36:46 <midnightmagic_> mesh networks. big ones.
733 2011-02-01 04:36:58 <midnightmagic_> and fidonet.
734 2011-02-01 04:37:04 <noagendamarket> the idea is you can ring a number and do transactions
735 2011-02-01 04:37:18 <noagendamarket> http://www.asterisk.org/
736 2011-02-01 04:37:32 <midnightmagic_> like a BBS?
737 2011-02-01 04:37:38 <noagendamarket> sort of
738 2011-02-01 04:37:42 <noagendamarket> telephone banking
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741 2011-02-01 04:38:11 <midnightmagic_> but then you're not a participant and you have to trust that someone won't steal all your cash.
742 2011-02-01 04:38:28 <andrew12^droid> Downloading the initial block chain takes forever :p
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744 2011-02-01 04:38:42 <noagendamarket> the idea is for emergency use
745 2011-02-01 04:38:48 <noagendamarket> such a egypt
746 2011-02-01 04:38:50 <noagendamarket> lol
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748 2011-02-01 04:39:14 <noagendamarket> youd call an international number or something
749 2011-02-01 04:39:31 <luke-jr> you'd have to trust the third party even before the emergency
750 2011-02-01 04:39:38 <noagendamarket> of course
751 2011-02-01 04:39:55 <noagendamarket> it would be something like a bitcoin bank
752 2011-02-01 04:39:56 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: I added your KiTBC/MiTBC/GiTBC ideas to a local edit of https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Units
753 2011-02-01 04:40:41 <AAA_awright> Uh cool, I guess?
754 2011-02-01 04:40:42 <noagendamarket> wtf is a bitcoin bong ?
755 2011-02-01 04:40:50 <noagendamarket> and where can you smoke it?
756 2011-02-01 04:40:59 <andrew12^droid> Heh
757 2011-02-01 04:41:04 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: KiTBC seems redundant with áµTBC, MiTBC with áµáµTBC, and GiTBC with Tam-TBC
758 2011-02-01 04:41:30 <luke-jr> noagendamarket: TBCáµ is the smallest possible bitcoin unit
759 2011-02-01 04:41:38 <AAA_awright> It's the other way around, I think... Ki etc is the engineering standard
760 2011-02-01 04:42:06 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: áµ etc is the Tonal standard.
761 2011-02-01 04:42:16 <AAA_awright> Which no one has ever heard of.
762 2011-02-01 04:42:18 <andrew12^droid> ;;bc,blocks
763 2011-02-01 04:42:19 <gribble> 105602
764 2011-02-01 04:42:30 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: obviously not no one
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766 2011-02-01 04:42:58 <midnightmagic_> I can honestly say before luke-jr brought it up, I'd never, ever heard of Tonal. And now, it's in there. In my head. Forever. thanks!
767 2011-02-01 04:42:59 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: the inventor and system are well-known enough to be notable on Wikipedia, at least
768 2011-02-01 04:43:11 <midnightmagic_> The Bloop is notable too. :)
769 2011-02-01 04:43:13 <luke-jr> midnightmagic_: now you just need to learn it âº
770 2011-02-01 04:43:15 <AAA_awright> My browser prints Sindarin characters and it can't print those Tonal characters. (A really unfair comparison because I've had the fonts installed by default for a while)
771 2011-02-01 04:43:26 <midnightmagic_> =]
772 2011-02-01 04:43:26 <luke-jr> wtf is Sindarin?
773 2011-02-01 04:43:37 <MT`AwAy> AAA_awright, the "tonal" chars are missing even from the most global unicode fonts
774 2011-02-01 04:43:40 <AAA_awright> Case in point
775 2011-02-01 04:43:43 <AAA_awright> :)
776 2011-02-01 04:43:44 <AAA_awright> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sindarin
777 2011-02-01 04:43:56 <luke-jr> wait, you mean instead of áµ, Ë¢, áµ, áµ even?
778 2011-02-01 04:44:13 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: just because *I've* never heard of it, doesn't mean nobody has :P
779 2011-02-01 04:44:14 <andrew12^droid> All blocks here
780 2011-02-01 04:45:09 <AAA_awright> I shouldn't say Sindarin the character set is actually called Tengwar
781 2011-02-01 04:45:33 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: looks like Sindarin is merely a language, and it's written in Cirth or Tengwar
782 2011-02-01 04:45:39 <luke-jr> both of which have standards that do NOT overlap with Tonal
783 2011-02-01 04:45:51 <luke-jr> Tengwar is U+E000 - U+E07F
784 2011-02-01 04:45:52 <AAA_awright> luke-jr: Those just appear to be the unicode superscript characters
785 2011-02-01 04:46:01 <luke-jr> good, that's what they shoul dbe
786 2011-02-01 04:46:09 <noagendamarket> Klingon is a language as well
787 2011-02-01 04:46:14 <luke-jr> ᵠ= ton, ˢ = san, ᵠ= mill, ᵠ= bong
788 2011-02-01 04:46:17 <noagendamarket> Klingon bitcoin lol
789 2011-02-01 04:46:32 <luke-jr> http://www.evertype.com/standards/csur/klingon.html <- Klingon
790 2011-02-01 04:46:33 <noagendamarket> kling bitcoin
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792 2011-02-01 04:46:45 <luke-jr> http://www.evertype.com/standards/csur/tengwar.html <- Tengwar
793 2011-02-01 04:47:05 <luke-jr> although Tengwar might be moved
794 2011-02-01 04:47:13 <luke-jr> to the Unicode SMP
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796 2011-02-01 04:47:22 <noagendamarket> hmm what would a bitcoin address look like written in klingon ? lol
797 2011-02-01 04:48:24 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: so anyway, I don't know why your (apparently broken) Tengwar fonts are using Tonal codepoints instead of Tengwar codepoints
798 2011-02-01 04:48:59 <luke-jr> Tengwar is E000-E07F and Tonal is E9D0-E9EF
799 2011-02-01 04:49:01 <AAA_awright> luke-jr: Wait what? They don't overlap
800 2011-02-01 04:49:02 <luke-jr> close, but not overlapping
801 2011-02-01 04:49:13 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: then what were you saying?
802 2011-02-01 04:49:14 <AAA_awright> Who said they overlap?
803 2011-02-01 04:49:26 <luke-jr> oh, I see
804 2011-02-01 04:49:27 <luke-jr> nm
805 2011-02-01 04:49:34 <luke-jr> I thought you meant it was showing Tengwar instead of Tonal
806 2011-02-01 04:49:49 <luke-jr> here's a patch to fix that: http://luke.dashjr.org/education/tonal/glyphs/fonts/Luxi/LuxiTonal.ttf
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812 2011-02-01 05:07:15 <jgarzik> anyone with a getwork miner, willing to help test out a pool? during this test phase, all bitcoins earned (if any) go 100% to EFF.
813 2011-02-01 05:07:35 <jgarzik> preferably diablo or m0mchil miner, but cpuminer are welcome too
814 2011-02-01 05:10:23 <doublec> jgarzik: I can with m0mchil's but it's a low powered gpu - only gets 8,500 khash/sec
815 2011-02-01 05:10:28 <doublec> so won't be much of a contribution
816 2011-02-01 05:10:48 <jgarzik> doublec: I've only tested with cpuminer so far, so even an "it works" is helpful
817 2011-02-01 05:11:12 <doublec> jgarzik: sure, send me the details
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821 2011-02-01 05:18:56 <Necr0s> I wish I knew why my m0mchil miner doesn't work.
822 2011-02-01 05:19:08 <Necr0s> It doesn't want to connect to anything.
823 2011-02-01 05:19:47 <Necr0s> If I specify like --host=192.168.23.32 --port=2000, it should try to connect to that host and port, right?
824 2011-02-01 05:20:05 <Necr0s> It never tries. Just says "Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC".
825 2011-02-01 05:20:16 <doublec> Necr0s: m0mchil's doesn't use the '=' syntax
826 2011-02-01 05:20:46 <doublec> Necr0s: you want: --host foo.com --port 1234 etc
827 2011-02-01 05:21:09 <Necr0s> really
828 2011-02-01 05:21:10 <Necr0s> ?
829 2011-02-01 05:21:14 <doublec> yes
830 2011-02-01 05:21:19 <Necr0s> In --help it shows = being used.
831 2011-02-01 05:21:37 <doublec> heh, so it does. I don't use '=' and it works
832 2011-02-01 05:21:39 <luke-jr> well it's official
833 2011-02-01 05:21:48 <luke-jr> IPv4 is completely depleted.
834 2011-02-01 05:22:19 <doublec> Necr0s: maybe it accepts both
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836 2011-02-01 05:23:00 <Necr0s> It doesn't seem to behave any differently if I use the other syntax.
837 2011-02-01 05:23:26 <doublec> have you specified the right username/password?
838 2011-02-01 05:23:56 <Necr0s> I believe so.
839 2011-02-01 05:24:04 <Necr0s> Save as in bitcoin.conf
840 2011-02-01 05:24:08 <Necr0s> same
841 2011-02-01 05:24:52 <Necr0s> It doesn't look like it even tries to make a connection though.
842 2011-02-01 05:25:36 <doublec> can you telnet to that port and see if you can connect?
843 2011-02-01 05:26:27 <Necr0s> Yeah, that works.
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867 2011-02-01 06:16:14 <echelon> how does mybitcoin.com now how to redirect to its tor hidden service?
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870 2011-02-01 06:18:15 <echelon> now/know
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874 2011-02-01 06:25:58 <echelon> if someone sent you a payment to a bitcoin address in a wallet you had not been using, how long should you wait before you receive the payments
875 2011-02-01 06:26:16 <echelon> after restarting bitcoin with the new wallet
876 2011-02-01 06:26:21 <echelon> err..
877 2011-02-01 06:26:23 <echelon> old wallet
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881 2011-02-01 06:26:43 <tcatm> a few blocks?
882 2011-02-01 06:29:18 <echelon> but i'm usually able to see at least "0/unconfirmed" almost instantly
883 2011-02-01 06:30:26 <tcatm> you should at least wait for 2 confirmations before sending those coins
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885 2011-02-01 06:30:57 <echelon> i know
886 2011-02-01 06:31:24 <echelon> i was just wondering if it matters if you hadn't been using the same wallet for a while
887 2011-02-01 06:32:54 <tcatm> no
888 2011-02-01 06:33:01 <echelon> kk
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891 2011-02-01 06:44:57 <Syke> DiabloD3, you on?
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898 2011-02-01 07:03:09 <echelon> waited for 3 blocks now.. still nothing -__-
899 2011-02-01 07:03:57 <echelon> blockexplorer shows it was sent
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905 2011-02-01 07:07:58 <jgarzik> ok, pool alpha testing registration is up: http://pool.yyz.us/register.html After you register a username/password/BTC address, connect using that username/password to http://pool.yyz.us:8334/ with your 'getwork' miner.
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907 2011-02-01 07:08:15 <jgarzik> "alpha testing" means... service is definitely not considered reliable yet
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910 2011-02-01 07:24:10 <DiabloD3> Syke: yeah
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919 2011-02-01 07:30:57 <Syke> wanna help me get a second ati card working?
920 2011-02-01 07:31:42 <Syke> DiabloD3, if I have crossfirex disabled, then it only finds one card. If I have crossfirex enabled, it says it finds both cards, but the cpu gets pegged and the speed isn't double.
921 2011-02-01 07:32:19 <DiabloD3> what driver are you on?
922 2011-02-01 07:32:59 <Syke> catalyst 10.12
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924 2011-02-01 07:33:18 <DiabloD3> how are you disabling crossfire?
925 2011-02-01 07:33:30 <Syke> in catalyst
926 2011-02-01 07:36:45 <DiabloD3> that doesnt work
927 2011-02-01 07:37:24 <Syke> so what's the right way to set dual cards up?
928 2011-02-01 07:37:34 <DiabloD3> you have to use sudo aticonfig --initial --adapter=all
929 2011-02-01 07:37:37 <DiabloD3> and then restart X
930 2011-02-01 07:39:58 <Syke> ok, now I get displays on both cards, but Miner only finds one Juniper
931 2011-02-01 07:40:03 <niekie> Bitcoin @ 0.58?? o_O
932 2011-02-01 07:40:33 <DiabloD3> Syke: miner should find both.
933 2011-02-01 07:40:51 <DiabloD3> are you doing export DISPLAY=:0 before running my miner?
934 2011-02-01 07:41:10 <Syke> no
935 2011-02-01 07:41:19 <DiabloD3> try that.
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937 2011-02-01 07:42:12 <Syke> that finds 2
938 2011-02-01 07:42:30 <Syke> let's give it a minute to ramp up and see how it looks
939 2011-02-01 07:43:02 <Syke> cpu at 0%, that's good
940 2011-02-01 07:43:52 <Syke> stabilizing at about 250 MH/s. that's about right for this setup. thanks!
941 2011-02-01 07:46:06 <DiabloD3> did you use -w 64?
942 2011-02-01 07:46:27 <Syke> yeah, still 64 for now
943 2011-02-01 07:46:50 <DiabloD3> what cards do you have?
944 2011-02-01 07:47:03 <Syke> dual 5770
945 2011-02-01 07:47:48 <DiabloD3> should be 300
946 2011-02-01 07:48:35 <Syke> -w 256 drops to 30MH/s
947 2011-02-01 07:48:45 <DiabloD3> yeah, -w 256 and the new kernel is deadly.
948 2011-02-01 07:50:24 <Syke> -w 128 seems fine
949 2011-02-01 07:51:47 <DiabloD3> -w 64 is fastest
950 2011-02-01 07:51:57 <DiabloD3> though Im wondering if both 11.1 and 10.12 are broken
951 2011-02-01 07:52:01 <DiabloD3> in two completely different ways
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953 2011-02-01 07:52:42 <joe_1> coins up to about 60 cents each- i bet yall are happy
954 2011-02-01 07:53:00 <DiabloD3> lemme see
955 2011-02-01 07:53:13 <echelon> not if you're a buyer :|
956 2011-02-01 07:53:33 <DiabloD3> I have...
957 2011-02-01 07:53:36 <DiabloD3> $127 dollars?!
958 2011-02-01 07:53:43 <DiabloD3> I must be doing my math wrong
959 2011-02-01 07:54:47 <Keefe> you have enough to buy my 5770 now?
960 2011-02-01 07:55:53 <DiabloD3> cant afford it even if I did have the money
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964 2011-02-01 08:07:55 <joe_1> 5770? what about 5970's?
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974 2011-02-01 08:32:57 * jgarzik wonders... how does slush calculate Ghash/sec ?
975 2011-02-01 08:33:27 <DiabloD3> by masturbating
976 2011-02-01 08:33:34 <DiabloD3> the faster he masturbates, the higher the ghash
977 2011-02-01 08:34:56 <joe_1> yes
978 2011-02-01 08:35:58 <Syke> catalyst control panel doesn't list gpu temps. is there another way I can check my temps?
979 2011-02-01 08:36:34 <DiabloD3> aticonfig --odgt
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982 2011-02-01 08:40:54 <tcatm> jgarzik: probably something like sum(numshares)/time
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993 2011-02-01 08:54:01 <tcatm> jgarzik: tried connecting to your pool, didn't work reliable at all
994 2011-02-01 08:54:28 <jgarzik> tcatm: what behavior did you see?
995 2011-02-01 08:54:40 <tcatm> i.e. didn't even show the hashmeter (diablo's miner)
996 2011-02-01 08:56:01 <jgarzik> tcatm: hmmm. I'm not sure what that means... does that mean turnaround is slow? getwork is not returning data?
997 2011-02-01 08:56:47 <tcatm> could be. I don't know the source of his miner very well..
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999 2011-02-01 09:02:45 <slush> jgarzik: where's the pool source?
1000 2011-02-01 09:03:09 <jgarzik> slush: not open
1001 2011-02-01 09:04:13 <slush> oh, competition? :)
1002 2011-02-01 09:05:07 <jgarzik> slush: I dunno. Right now, this is just a test... I do think there should be more pools, but I am not sure I want to run one long term.
1003 2011-02-01 09:05:10 <tcatm> it's not really competition. rather loadbalancing ;)
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1008 2011-02-01 09:09:01 <tcatm> anyone know whether pygtk is portable to win/osx?
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1010 2011-02-01 09:11:41 <MT`AwAy> it is probably, as both python & gtk are
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1012 2011-02-01 09:15:25 <opus_> hey guys
1013 2011-02-01 09:15:43 <opus_> how much bandwidth does it take (at the minimum) to transfer a bitcoin?
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1015 2011-02-01 09:16:18 <tcatm> few hundred bytes
1016 2011-02-01 09:16:56 <MT`AwAy> the size of the transaction itself, plus some protocol specific things (announce inventory, receive request for content, and send the content itself)
1017 2011-02-01 09:17:56 <opus_> can I do it over 9600 baud packet radio?
1018 2011-02-01 09:18:13 <MT`AwAy> opus_, you could do it over avian transports too
1019 2011-02-01 09:18:18 <opus_> or like shortwave
1020 2011-02-01 09:18:20 <MT`AwAy> as long as you don't try to download the whole chain
1021 2011-02-01 09:18:35 <MT`AwAy> (ie, receive the chain through a different process)
1022 2011-02-01 09:18:50 <MT`AwAy> er
1023 2011-02-01 09:18:52 <MT`AwAy> avian carriers*
1024 2011-02-01 09:18:54 <MT`AwAy> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers
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1026 2011-02-01 09:19:09 <MT`AwAy> arg, french wikipedia ~ good url: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers
1027 2011-02-01 09:19:53 <opus_> 64 bytes from 10.0.3.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=6388671.9 ms
1028 2011-02-01 09:19:55 <opus_> haha
1029 2011-02-01 09:21:43 <opus_> how much bandwidth would it take to download the next chain?
1030 2011-02-01 09:21:50 <opus_> sorry I am new to the bitcoin idea
1031 2011-02-01 09:21:55 <opus_> is that even neccessary?
1032 2011-02-01 09:22:22 <MT`AwAy> the "chain" is a chain, there's no "next chain", instead the chain is made of blocks which are issued every ~10 minutes
1033 2011-02-01 09:22:25 <MT`AwAy> ;;bc,stats
1034 2011-02-01 09:22:27 <gribble> Current Blocks: 105634 | Current Difficulty: 22012.4941572 | Next Difficulty At Block: 106847 | Next Difficulty In: 1213 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 14 hours, 37 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 24379.85627192
1035 2011-02-01 09:23:00 <MT`AwAy> the chain is currently ~70MB here
1036 2011-02-01 09:23:14 <MT`AwAy> with 105634 blocks
1037 2011-02-01 09:23:26 <MT`AwAy> so you can compute the average block size and see if it fits your bandwidth
1038 2011-02-01 09:23:41 <opus_> I could download the entire chain beforehand, but what about block updates?
1039 2011-02-01 09:24:16 <sipa> you'll download them
1040 2011-02-01 09:24:20 <nevezen> what size will the chain be when 50 turns to 25 coin generation?
1041 2011-02-01 09:24:23 <sipa> as they come
1042 2011-02-01 09:24:33 <sipa> that depends on how popular it will have been by then
1043 2011-02-01 09:25:45 <MT`AwAy> [18:18:44] <nevezen> what size will the chain be when 50 turns to 25 coin generation? <- depends on how many transacitons happens in each block
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1045 2011-02-01 09:26:25 <opus_> so if I can send bitcoin over shortwave, and shortwave can go around the world, I could theoritically send bitcoins to russia and back from USA?
1046 2011-02-01 09:27:16 <MT`AwAy> :p
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1048 2011-02-01 09:27:55 <nevezen> how bout a simple gprs connection in the middle of nowhere? :P
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1050 2011-02-01 09:31:40 <doublec> nevezen: I use bitcoin over gprs
1051 2011-02-01 09:32:07 <DiabloD3> opus_: there is stuff like HAM packet radio
1052 2011-02-01 09:32:13 <joe_1> wat is gprs
1053 2011-02-01 09:32:15 <doublec> it runs on my phone constantly and sends over gprs, 3g or wifi depending on whats around
1054 2011-02-01 09:33:44 <doublec> joe_1: "General Packet Radio Service". Data communications service for 2g gsm phones
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1073 2011-02-01 10:05:30 <slush> jgarzik: Don't forget that existence of two pools with similar/same algorithm based on share counting can be attacked by miners
1074 2011-02-01 10:05:55 <slush> jgarzik: So if your pool become significant in hashpower, we should cooperate to avoid this
1075 2011-02-01 10:06:04 <sipa> how do you mean?
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1078 2011-02-01 10:15:33 <slush> sipa: it was to me?
1079 2011-02-01 10:15:50 <jgarzik> one idea I had was updating the miners to properly scan 'target', and then vary target difficulty a bit beyond 32-bit
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1081 2011-02-01 10:24:09 <sipa> slush: yes
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1083 2011-02-01 10:24:39 <slush> sipa: there is thread about attacking pools on forum
1084 2011-02-01 10:25:10 <slush> sipa: one attack is really possible - miners will switch between two pools, when one of them find a fresh block.
1085 2011-02-01 10:25:17 <doublec> not so much as attacking but using multiple pools for your advantage
1086 2011-02-01 10:25:48 <slush> sipa: because there is bigger probability that this new round will be shorter than the second one in other pool, which gives highest reward/time
1087 2011-02-01 10:25:57 <slush> doublec: yes
1088 2011-02-01 10:26:42 <sipa> so, switch to a fixed (difficulty-dependent) reward for each share :)
1089 2011-02-01 10:26:46 <slush> it become a problem only when the second pool become significant.
1090 2011-02-01 10:26:56 <slush> sipa: which is not possible
1091 2011-02-01 10:27:14 <slush> sipa: look at yesterday's pool performance. There were many rounds with >60000 shares
1092 2011-02-01 10:27:28 <slush> sipa: pool OP cannot pay out people for blocks which was not found...
1093 2011-02-01 10:27:55 <slush> sipa: only when he will cut significant fee per block to create some funds for bad times.
1094 2011-02-01 10:28:07 <sipa> yes, you'll need some saving
1095 2011-02-01 10:28:12 <slush> and because people don't want to pay even 1btc/round for pool in average, it is quite hard to do
1096 2011-02-01 10:28:15 <sipa> and a compensation
1097 2011-02-01 10:28:19 <UukGoblin> need. more. divisibility.
1098 2011-02-01 10:28:46 <slush> once I'll cut 5% from block, I'll be open to pay per share :)
1099 2011-02-01 10:29:11 <sipa> understandable
1100 2011-02-01 10:29:43 <sipa> also, i'll make you more vulnerable to vandalism-attacks
1101 2011-02-01 10:29:59 <slush> of course, because pool op takes the risk
1102 2011-02-01 10:30:27 <slush> so current model is quite fair / easy to understand, but it is open to pool switching "attacks"
1103 2011-02-01 10:31:33 <sipa> i'm not sure i understand though
1104 2011-02-01 10:31:49 <sipa> why is there a bigger probability that new round will be shorter?
1105 2011-02-01 10:32:16 <devon_hillard> yummy: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/take_peek_amds_dual-gpu_radeon_hd_6990
1106 2011-02-01 10:33:03 <devon_hillard> probably needs 2 PSUs to keep it going, though :)
1107 2011-02-01 10:33:38 <[Noodles]> won't need more than a 5970 i guess
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1109 2011-02-01 10:33:54 <dirtyfilthy> sipa: because the old round is already "old"
1110 2011-02-01 10:34:06 <sipa> so?
1111 2011-02-01 10:34:13 <[Noodles]> jgarzik : its ok to run multiple workers with same login, isn't it?
1112 2011-02-01 10:34:30 <sipa> chances don't change based on whether or not a particulat pool has recently found a block or not
1113 2011-02-01 10:34:42 <sipa> it's always 100%/(difficulty*2^32) per hash
1114 2011-02-01 10:34:47 <dirtyfilthy> but the number of shares in the round do
1115 2011-02-01 10:34:59 <sipa> oh right
1116 2011-02-01 10:35:00 <sipa> of course
1117 2011-02-01 10:35:34 <doublec> [Noodles]: I asked earlier and he said it was fine
1118 2011-02-01 10:35:57 <sipa> one solution is resetting counter for every block, not just blocks found by the pool
1119 2011-02-01 10:36:09 <sipa> though that decreases the averaging effect of the pool
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1122 2011-02-01 10:43:04 <[Noodles]> seems to work
1123 2011-02-01 10:43:36 <UukGoblin> I don't have time to search through the forum, but did anyone send a post to make satoshi aware that more divisibility would be useful?
1124 2011-02-01 10:45:04 <sipa> are you talking about the 0.01 UI limit, or the 0.00000001 protocol limit?
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1127 2011-02-01 10:46:32 <UukGoblin> 0.01 client-side limit
1128 2011-02-01 10:46:58 <sipa> that will soon be removed, i believe
1129 2011-02-01 10:47:31 <doublec> I don't think satoshi makes those decisions anymore
1130 2011-02-01 10:49:10 <sipa> indeed
1131 2011-02-01 10:49:48 <UukGoblin> cool
1132 2011-02-01 10:49:59 <UukGoblin> any more proof apart from 'believe'? ;-]
1133 2011-02-01 10:50:22 <sipa> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3065.0
1134 2011-02-01 10:50:26 <sipa> gavin's proposal
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1136 2011-02-01 10:52:12 <doublec> UukGoblin: the fact that gavin seems to have taken over development and satoshi doesn't post on the forums anymore is where I get the belief from.
1137 2011-02-01 10:52:48 <UukGoblin> doublec, oh yeah, I was asking about the other thing ;-)
1138 2011-02-01 10:52:50 <DiabloD3> satoshi probably never existed
1139 2011-02-01 10:52:58 <DiabloD3> I suspect gavin is satoshi's new alias
1140 2011-02-01 10:53:04 <lfm> gavin sez he still talks to satoshi
1141 2011-02-01 10:53:12 <DiabloD3> exactly
1142 2011-02-01 10:53:15 <DiabloD3> who has ever talked to satoshi
1143 2011-02-01 10:53:16 <mrb_> nah. satoshi is rich (1M+ BTC). he must protect his identity
1144 2011-02-01 10:53:16 <DiabloD3> no one
1145 2011-02-01 10:53:47 <mrb_> that's why he remains hidden. someone could easily target him and steal that.
1146 2011-02-01 10:54:05 <DiabloD3> erm
1147 2011-02-01 10:54:08 <DiabloD3> he could just slowly sell them
1148 2011-02-01 10:54:29 <mrb_> would take too much time without moving the market down.
1149 2011-02-01 10:55:22 <mrb_> if you want to track him, talk to slicehost who his hosting the vps bitcoin.org is running on :)
1150 2011-02-01 10:55:58 <lfm> if the pvs aint paid in bitcoin
1151 2011-02-01 10:56:02 <lfm> vps
1152 2011-02-01 10:56:30 <mrb_> personally I think he just doesn't like to be well-known, and is a realy busy man
1153 2011-02-01 10:56:57 <doublec> I'm more inclined to believe that satoshi is an alias
1154 2011-02-01 10:57:15 <doublec> if only because it makes bitcoin sound far more mysterious
1155 2011-02-01 10:57:31 <mrb_> although I am puzzled by someone who remains so indifferent to one of his creation being so successful
1156 2011-02-01 10:58:17 <lfm> seems great to me he can get rich without getting famous, fame sucks
1157 2011-02-01 10:58:25 <doublec> probably disappointed that he deleted his original wallet so many months ago when he thought bitcoin was just a fun experiment...
1158 2011-02-01 10:59:02 <lfm> Im with mrb on that point I think he has over 1 million btc
1159 2011-02-01 11:00:19 <jgarzik> [Noodles]: yes
1160 2011-02-01 11:00:21 <mrb_> yeah. just look at the hash rate graph since genesis. it drops down the first 6 months. it was his single PC struggling to generate 1 block every 10min at difficulty 1.0
1161 2011-02-01 11:00:28 <noagendamarket> the truth is probably a lot less romantic than peopl think
1162 2011-02-01 11:00:30 <jgarzik> [Noodles]: 1,000 works on one login, or 1,000 logins, I don't care
1163 2011-02-01 11:00:34 <jgarzik> workers
1164 2011-02-01 11:01:15 <lfm> noagendamarket: you have inside info?
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1166 2011-02-01 11:05:06 <lfm> have you read "Patern recognition" ? they had a mysterious identity guessing plot on the net in that story too. was a good book
1167 2011-02-01 11:05:36 <joe_1> could satoshi be in this channel right now?
1168 2011-02-01 11:05:50 <lfm> yes of course he could
1169 2011-02-01 11:06:03 <[Noodles]> could be you
1170 2011-02-01 11:06:20 <lfm> so far as you know
1171 2011-02-01 11:08:06 <joe_1> i cant hide it any longer
1172 2011-02-01 11:09:38 <lfm> to prove it send be 0.01 offa the genisis block
1173 2011-02-01 11:09:48 <lfm> be -> me
1174 2011-02-01 11:11:18 <joe_1> nobody has the key to the genesis transaction
1175 2011-02-01 11:11:50 <lfm> well satoshi should have unless he lost it
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1177 2011-02-01 11:12:44 <lfm> its worth 50 btc just like any other block
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1180 2011-02-01 11:15:09 <joe_1> im not satoshi
1181 2011-02-01 11:15:34 <lfm> ya, I must confess, I am not Satoshi either
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1185 2011-02-01 11:16:29 <noagendamarket> Im not satoshi either
1186 2011-02-01 11:16:50 mrb_ is now known as satoshi_
1187 2011-02-01 11:16:54 <satoshi_> ok guys it's me :)
1188 2011-02-01 11:16:56 satoshi_ is now known as mrb
1189 2011-02-01 11:16:57 <noagendamarket> lol
1190 2011-02-01 11:17:07 * joe_1 bows down to our Great Leader
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1192 2011-02-01 11:17:32 <lfm> so satoshi without a _ was protected?
1193 2011-02-01 11:18:27 <lfm> ;;seen satoshi
1194 2011-02-01 11:18:27 <gribble> I have not seen satoshi.
1195 2011-02-01 11:19:19 <lfm> hes on some other channel
1196 2011-02-01 11:19:45 <mrb> lfm: didn't test.
1197 2011-02-01 11:20:00 <lfm> /whois satoshi
1198 2011-02-01 11:20:20 <joe_1> satoshi is foobar@www4369u.sakura.ne.jp * Ueda Satoshi
1199 2011-02-01 11:20:44 <Keefe> satoshi is foobar :P
1200 2011-02-01 11:20:47 <lfm> doesnt seem very likely the same person
1201 2011-02-01 11:21:44 <joe_1> there has to be a way to figure out who he is. can't we just look at the dates and times of all his posts in the forum, and find another person who lines up?
1202 2011-02-01 11:23:38 <lfm> only if he also uses his "real" name. if he is consistently Satoshi then it wont correlate with anyone else
1203 2011-02-01 11:24:26 <noagendamarket> If we can find out it means anyone can so i hope we never find out
1204 2011-02-01 11:25:09 <lfm> ya hes prolly just a shy nurd
1205 2011-02-01 11:25:54 <joe_1> im not sure if gavin is satoshi
1206 2011-02-01 11:26:31 <lfm> Gavin isnt shy. he talks to reporters and stuff
1207 2011-02-01 11:27:25 <joe_1> and gavin, like satoshi, doesn't come on IRC ever?
1208 2011-02-01 11:27:34 <joe_1> ;;seen *gavin*
1209 2011-02-01 11:27:34 <gribble> Error: '*gavin*' is not a valid nick.
1210 2011-02-01 11:27:47 <joe_1> ;;seen ".*gavin.*"
1211 2011-02-01 11:27:48 <gribble> Error: '.*gavin.*' is not a valid nick.
1212 2011-02-01 11:27:52 <dsg> ;;seen gavinandresen
1213 2011-02-01 11:27:52 <gribble> gavinandresen was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 11 hours, 3 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <gavinandresen> slush: tcatm,dooglus, and jgarzik all have commit access to the git repo.
1214 2011-02-01 11:27:54 <lfm> ;; seen gavinanderson
1215 2011-02-01 11:27:54 <gribble> I have not seen gavinanderson.
1216 2011-02-01 11:28:04 <lfm> oh ok
1217 2011-02-01 11:28:21 <joe_1> where's my commit access?
1218 2011-02-01 11:28:34 <joe_1> well i dont need it for another few days
1219 2011-02-01 11:29:20 <joe_1> next time we see him let's just hammer on gavin to tell us more about satoshi.
1220 2011-02-01 11:29:37 <lfm> lets not
1221 2011-02-01 11:30:52 <andrew12> monitor is too bright in the morning :(
1222 2011-02-01 11:31:28 <lfm> ya laptops used to have dimmer wheels! too bad
1223 2011-02-01 11:32:06 <dsg> Why does anonymity bother people so much? :)
1224 2011-02-01 11:32:15 <dsg> Oh, he must have something to hide!
1225 2011-02-01 11:32:34 <andrew12> dsg: because they enjoy the trouble
1226 2011-02-01 11:32:36 <andrew12> :p
1227 2011-02-01 11:32:42 <lfm> its that human thing called curiosity, most people have it to one degree or another
1228 2011-02-01 11:33:20 <lfm> if you dont have it you are probably some sort of AI turing test
1229 2011-02-01 11:34:11 <andrew12> uh
1230 2011-02-01 11:34:22 <andrew12> you mean turing machine?
1231 2011-02-01 11:35:04 <lfm> the Turing test was devised by the same guy that invented/discovered the Turing Machine
1232 2011-02-01 11:35:26 <lfm> Alan Turning was a pretty bright guy
1233 2011-02-01 11:36:32 <andrew12> derp
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1235 2011-02-01 11:39:22 <lfm> http://xkcd.com/329/
1236 2011-02-01 11:44:17 <joe_1> over the next few weeks i plan to improve the bitcoin client with some important functionalities
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1239 2011-02-01 11:44:45 <lfm> yay
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1243 2011-02-01 11:47:24 <joe_1> 1. ability to have greater control over which transaction outputs are used to pay with
1244 2011-02-01 11:48:20 <joe_1> 2. display the source address of incoming payments
1245 2011-02-01 11:48:47 <lfm> there may be multiple source adresses
1246 2011-02-01 11:49:20 <joe_1> i guess it should display all source addresses
1247 2011-02-01 11:50:07 <joe_1> 3. ability to choose a "from" address for outgoing payments
1248 2011-02-01 11:50:29 <andrew12> parity!
1249 2011-02-01 11:50:30 <andrew12> BC | TRADE|LRUSD 1.29787 @ $1.0
1250 2011-02-01 11:50:32 <lfm> isnt that the same as 1
1251 2011-02-01 11:51:17 <lfm> jesus whos buying so many
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1253 2011-02-01 11:51:41 <joe_1> yeah but it's a convenience function so it could take multiple transactions, funnel them into the "from" address (payment to self) then from there go to the destination.
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1255 2011-02-01 11:56:09 <joe_1> 4. washing machine. client will randomly send coins to a pool of self made addresses to hide the continuity of ownership and spending among other people running clients that do the same random sends.
1256 2011-02-01 12:00:52 <lfm> hmm well good luck with that
1257 2011-02-01 12:02:11 <joe_1> will i need to fork the code and release my client separately- or will these be possible on the bitcoin.org version?
1258 2011-02-01 12:04:28 <lfm> I doubt it
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1260 2011-02-01 12:05:50 <andrew12> ;;bc,stats
1261 2011-02-01 12:05:52 <gribble> Current Blocks: 105651 | Current Difficulty: 22012.4941572 | Next Difficulty At Block: 106847 | Next Difficulty In: 1196 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 12 hours, 23 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 24366.16322015
1262 2011-02-01 12:05:59 <andrew12> woo my vps has the whole block chain
1263 2011-02-01 12:07:32 <molecular> joe_1: I like your changes
1264 2011-02-01 12:07:54 <molecular> although 1.) is by far more important the 2) - 4)
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1266 2011-02-01 12:15:16 <joe_1> agree
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1270 2011-02-01 12:34:07 <molecular> cooling question: I have 2 relatively big case-fans. Now the 5970 draw air out of the case. what use are the case-fans? can I just turn them off? there's not much heat from the motherboard, it's a asrock with a VIA c7.
1271 2011-02-01 12:35:11 <lfm> set all the case fans to blow INTO the case for best cooling
1272 2011-02-01 12:35:42 <molecular> ok, that makes more sense
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1274 2011-02-01 12:36:28 <molecular> if they suck out of the case, isn't it like they're "competing" with the 5970s fan?
1275 2011-02-01 12:37:08 <slush> I'm thinking how to prevent abusing pools with switching between two one. Looks like delay in pool stats (actual shares, when the block was found) could work pretty nice.
1276 2011-02-01 12:37:44 <lfm> slush those "abuse" schemes are illusions
1277 2011-02-01 12:37:56 <molecular> slush, how does this abuse work? switch what?
1278 2011-02-01 12:37:57 <slush> Don't think so
1279 2011-02-01 12:38:33 <slush> When you're working on fresh new round, your reward/time can be much higher than working on older one (from second pool)
1280 2011-02-01 12:38:54 <slush> of course it expect there are two pools with similar hash power
1281 2011-02-01 12:39:06 <molecular> you mean reward per time?
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1283 2011-02-01 12:39:09 <slush> yes
1284 2011-02-01 12:39:59 <molecular> so when one pool finds a block and starts a new round, you would switch to that pool?
1285 2011-02-01 12:40:08 <sipa> yes
1286 2011-02-01 12:40:40 <slush> of course if it will do everybody, it lose it's effect
1287 2011-02-01 12:40:46 <sipa> slush: and counting only shares from the current block, and not full round?
1288 2011-02-01 12:40:53 <slush> but when the majority is fair, you can improve your personal reward
1289 2011-02-01 12:40:56 <sipa> that's drastic
1290 2011-02-01 12:41:02 <sipa> but it would prevent it
1291 2011-02-01 12:41:11 <molecular> but from that point on: both pools have the same likelyhood of finding the block (assuming equal hashing power)
1292 2011-02-01 12:41:11 <molecular> and you already invested in the first pool you just left
1293 2011-02-01 12:41:18 <slush> it will affect distribution of reward
1294 2011-02-01 12:41:36 <molecular> slush: you currently count blocks from complete round?
1295 2011-02-01 12:41:41 <lfm> if you switch then they wont be equal any more
1296 2011-02-01 12:41:45 <molecular> not just the found block?
1297 2011-02-01 12:41:49 <sipa> indeed
1298 2011-02-01 12:41:55 <slush> from whole round, yes
1299 2011-02-01 12:42:32 <molecular> for a fair miner, it won't make much differnce $-wise wether you use round or block, right?
1300 2011-02-01 12:42:33 <slush> but if miner don't *know* that pool just find a block, he does not know when to switch
1301 2011-02-01 12:43:26 <[Noodles]> so you gonna lie to people about what they've earned
1302 2011-02-01 12:43:43 <slush> molecular: but keep in mind there are miners who find one share in many hours
1303 2011-02-01 12:43:48 <[Noodles]> to all, not only hoppers
1304 2011-02-01 12:44:00 <slush> molecular: with a little unlucky, he will see nothing for long period...
1305 2011-02-01 12:44:05 <molecular> slush: that's a point, but _when_ they find one, reward will be higher
1306 2011-02-01 12:44:29 <molecular> slush: yeah, that's bad, because he joined the pool exactly for that reason
1307 2011-02-01 12:44:31 <slush> molecular: yes, but this eliminate pool effect -> smoothing rewards
1308 2011-02-01 12:44:41 <molecular> yeah, true
1309 2011-02-01 12:44:42 <lfm> reward is always higher when you find one than when you dont find one since rewards are FOR fining ones
1310 2011-02-01 12:45:02 <molecular> we're talking about average reward over long time
1311 2011-02-01 12:45:48 <[Noodles]> 'long term' depends on hashrate
1312 2011-02-01 12:45:55 <lfm> if you foul it up enuf, I might join a pool to take advantage of your mess, over mining by myself
1313 2011-02-01 12:45:58 <molecular> assuming constant hashrate
1314 2011-02-01 12:47:17 <noagendamarket> communism=fail :)
1315 2011-02-01 12:47:35 <slush> so switching from 'shares in current round' to 'shares in last 10 minutes' everywhere + displaying block history with one hour latency could solve this easily
1316 2011-02-01 12:47:49 <slush> noagendamarket: it's not a communism, it's a cooperation
1317 2011-02-01 12:48:09 <[Noodles]> solve what? an imaginary problem?
1318 2011-02-01 12:48:24 <lfm> slush shares in last 10 min will mean small miners miss out on MOST rewards altogether
1319 2011-02-01 12:48:44 <lfm> kinda defeats purpose of them joining
1320 2011-02-01 12:48:48 <slush> I'm not talking about *counting* shares from last 10 min
1321 2011-02-01 12:48:53 <slush> Just about displaying it in stats
1322 2011-02-01 12:49:08 <slush> counting mechanism would be the same as it is now
1323 2011-02-01 12:49:25 <lfm> hmmm
1324 2011-02-01 12:49:26 <slush> just miner will see that block was found with one hour latency. That's all
1325 2011-02-01 12:49:46 <sipa> slush: the frequency at which people find a share is fixed, and won't change by increasing difficulty
1326 2011-02-01 12:49:53 <sipa> ;;bc,calcd 1000 1
1327 2011-02-01 12:49:53 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 1 hour, 11 minutes, and 34 seconds
1328 2011-02-01 12:50:06 <x6763> ;;bc,mtgox
1329 2011-02-01 12:50:06 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.95,"low":0.475,"vol":66617,"buy":0.695,"sell":0.7,"last":0.695}}
1330 2011-02-01 12:50:09 <sipa> i think the slowest miners have some 1000 kH/s
1331 2011-02-01 12:50:10 <slush> sipa: yes
1332 2011-02-01 12:50:18 <sipa> so they would still on average find a share each hour
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1334 2011-02-01 12:50:33 <slush> yes, forever
1335 2011-02-01 12:50:36 <sipa> yes
1336 2011-02-01 12:50:40 <lfm> sipa lots of old p4 and older are less than 1000 khash/s
1337 2011-02-01 12:51:01 <slush> the slowest miner was nanotube's vps :)
1338 2011-02-01 12:51:03 <[Noodles]> 420k on my Atom
1339 2011-02-01 12:51:09 <sipa> how much kH/s?
1340 2011-02-01 12:51:12 <sipa> slush: ?
1341 2011-02-01 12:51:13 <slush> and for a moment some guy with 200khash/s
1342 2011-02-01 12:51:29 <sipa> ok, those have a chance of having a share only every day
1343 2011-02-01 12:51:36 <sipa> or even less
1344 2011-02-01 12:51:47 <lfm> I should try to get the old 386sx going again
1345 2011-02-01 12:51:59 <sipa> but not weeks or months or years, as it would take if you mine by yourself
1346 2011-02-01 12:52:05 <andrew12^droid> sipa: technically everyone has a chance of no shares/day
1347 2011-02-01 12:52:12 <sipa> of course
1348 2011-02-01 12:52:30 <sipa> ;;bc,prob 30000000 1d
1349 2011-02-01 12:52:31 <gribble> 0.999999999999
1350 2011-02-01 12:52:47 <sipa> even slush's pool has a chance of not finding any block at all on a day :)
1351 2011-02-01 12:52:54 <slush> :)
1352 2011-02-01 12:52:59 <sipa> but i'm talking about reasonable chances
1353 2011-02-01 12:53:15 <lfm> what does bc,prob calculate?
1354 2011-02-01 12:53:33 <sipa> the chance of finding at least one block during that time at given kH/s and current difficulty
1355 2011-02-01 12:54:34 <lfm> ;;bc,calcd 999 1
1356 2011-02-01 12:54:34 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 999 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 1 hour, 11 minutes, and 39 seconds
1357 2011-02-01 12:54:43 <sipa> anyway, my point is: for those having 1 MH/s and more, switching to shares/block instead of shares/round won't make that much difference (over a timespan of a few days)
1358 2011-02-01 12:55:01 ArtForzZz is now known as ArtForz
1359 2011-02-01 12:55:08 <slush> sipa: but it works only when both pools will use the same metrics
1360 2011-02-01 12:55:27 <slush> (so both are calculating rewards only from shares in current bitcoin block)
1361 2011-02-01 12:55:42 <sipa> you'll get an interesting competition otherwise :)
1362 2011-02-01 12:55:59 <ArtForz> hurrm, how would shares/block help?
1363 2011-02-01 12:56:16 <sipa> there is no advantage in switching to another pool
1364 2011-02-01 12:56:25 <sipa> since both reset their counters if one finds a block
1365 2011-02-01 12:56:35 <slush> * only when both pools use the same technique
1366 2011-02-01 12:56:48 <slush> but there is nothing as pool standard :)
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1368 2011-02-01 12:57:00 <sipa> i'm not sure that matters
1369 2011-02-01 12:57:16 <ArtForz> so currently a round runs until the pool finds a block?
1370 2011-02-01 12:57:23 <sipa> yes
1371 2011-02-01 12:57:37 <ArtForz> thats... a bit weird
1372 2011-02-01 12:57:45 <slush> sipa: that matters, becuase if one pool will use current method and second the 'fresh block' method, it will be still possible to point miners against the second pool when new bitcoin block appeared
1373 2011-02-01 12:57:53 <ArtForz> yep
1374 2011-02-01 12:58:11 <ArtForz> even with hidden #shares in each pool and per-block reset a mienr can still "cheat"
1375 2011-02-01 12:58:22 <slush> ArtForz: how?
1376 2011-02-01 12:58:23 <sipa> how?
1377 2011-02-01 12:58:30 <sipa> the only attack i know of is vandalism
1378 2011-02-01 12:58:34 <ArtForz> after new block is found, mine 1 share on each pool
1379 2011-02-01 12:58:40 <DiabloD3> heee
1380 2011-02-01 12:58:48 <DiabloD3> someone has some sort of interactive RMS bot in #penguinslair on oftc
1381 2011-02-01 12:58:50 <DiabloD3> its lol
1382 2011-02-01 12:59:02 <DiabloD3> its almost like talking to the real RMS
1383 2011-02-01 12:59:39 <slush> ArtForz: 1 share?
1384 2011-02-01 12:59:42 <ArtForz> yep
1385 2011-02-01 12:59:53 <slush> why not two? :)
1386 2011-02-01 13:00:24 <ArtForz> because 1 makes the math easier :P
1387 2011-02-01 13:01:53 <slush> well, but it is not 'real' attack, because then you will earn 0.000nothing for this one share
1388 2011-02-01 13:02:16 <DiabloD3> [07:55:04] <Richard_Stallman> Please also recognize the effects of eating donuts which have a great effect on the GNU project.
1389 2011-02-01 13:03:48 <ArtForz> yeah
1390 2011-02-01 13:03:56 <ArtForz> still net positive though
1391 2011-02-01 13:04:13 <molecular> wouldn't that be like just splitting your miner to use 2 pools?
1392 2011-02-01 13:04:22 <ArtForz> not quite
1393 2011-02-01 13:04:25 <molecular> after the first share on each pool, which pool do you continue to mine at
1394 2011-02-01 13:04:54 <ArtForz> well, if you know share #s, the pool with lower #shares
1395 2011-02-01 13:05:37 <molecular> ah, so that wouldn't work at all if both pools used shares/block instead of shares/round?
1396 2011-02-01 13:05:48 <ArtForz> would still work
1397 2011-02-01 13:06:01 <ArtForz> at least I think so
1398 2011-02-01 13:06:30 <slush> molecular: shares/block does not solve it fully. It may help only when all pools will use this method
1399 2011-02-01 13:06:54 <sipa> ArtForz: the pool with lower shares is also less likely to find the next block
1400 2011-02-01 13:06:59 <ArtForz> yep
1401 2011-02-01 13:07:03 <sipa> but you could estimate their speed
1402 2011-02-01 13:07:10 <molecular> assuming equal pool power, both have the same #shares at that point (after you mined 1/1). so which pool to choose then?
1403 2011-02-01 13:07:11 <sipa> and use the one with highest speed/shares
1404 2011-02-01 13:07:14 <molecular> so you can rip off the users of the (lets assume only) pool that uses shares/round?
1405 2011-02-01 13:07:25 <sipa> which will autobalance if many people do this
1406 2011-02-01 13:07:30 <ArtForz> no, they have the same #shares *on average*
1407 2011-02-01 13:07:38 <sipa> agree
1408 2011-02-01 13:07:53 <ArtForz> imo thats the point, "exploiting" statistical variance
1409 2011-02-01 13:07:53 <molecular> shares/sec is pretty constant, though
1410 2011-02-01 13:07:56 <slush> > assuming equal pool power, both have the same #shares at that point
1411 2011-02-01 13:07:56 <slush> Which will almost never happen
1412 2011-02-01 13:08:37 <slush> still think hiding actual stats solve this problem absolutely. Without any need to pool cooperation
1413 2011-02-01 13:08:50 <sipa> think about the limit
1414 2011-02-01 13:08:54 <molecular> so you switch to the pool with the higher power after 1/1?
1415 2011-02-01 13:09:09 <sipa> *everyone* switching constantly
1416 2011-02-01 13:09:25 <ArtForz> imo lower power, I simply assumed a miner with 0 cost when not hashing
1417 2011-02-01 13:09:27 <molecular> make a meta-pool doing this ;)
1418 2011-02-01 13:09:59 * molecular is still not convinced this works at all
1419 2011-02-01 13:10:07 <ArtForz> I'm not 100% certain either
1420 2011-02-01 13:10:21 <ArtForz> but if the "hop on pool with lower share#" works, so does this
1421 2011-02-01 13:10:32 <molecular> I would hate to see the stats disappear, slush
1422 2011-02-01 13:10:55 <slush> molecular: yep, world isn't perfect
1423 2011-02-01 13:11:09 <slush> Then I'll hide only actual shares in current round
1424 2011-02-01 13:11:17 <slush> and show shares in last time period
1425 2011-02-01 13:11:21 <ArtForz> not to mention there still is no spo... other pool :P
1426 2011-02-01 13:11:21 <slush> nothing dramatic
1427 2011-02-01 13:11:31 <slush> ArtForz: it is, jgarzik's
1428 2011-02-01 13:11:47 <slush> still in alpha, but I should think about consequences in advance
1429 2011-02-01 13:11:48 <sipa> you'd also have to hide the estimated gain from current round
1430 2011-02-01 13:11:58 <slush> sipa: not necessary
1431 2011-02-01 13:12:15 <molecular> you mean hide only "shares contributed in current round"?
1432 2011-02-01 13:12:30 <slush> but yes, it could reveal some info on new block, because it will jump a little
1433 2011-02-01 13:12:36 <molecular> I can calculate that from cluster performance and round duration
1434 2011-02-01 13:12:38 <ArtForz> yeah, that imo should be enough
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1436 2011-02-01 13:12:48 <sipa> (50 BTC / estimated gain) * my_shares_in_round = total_shares_in_round
1437 2011-02-01 13:12:49 <sipa> no?
1438 2011-02-01 13:13:08 <ArtForz> might also want to show pool HPS delayed 1 round
1439 2011-02-01 13:13:21 <slush> molecular: but you won't see round duration
1440 2011-02-01 13:13:29 <slush> molecular: actual round duration ...
1441 2011-02-01 13:13:51 <sipa> by the way, does this help? people see prev-block hash of the work you send them
1442 2011-02-01 13:14:10 <sipa> oh wait, nvm
1443 2011-02-01 13:14:12 <slush> ArtForz: yes, maybe, for the same reason as 'expected reward' - it is everytime hoping on the new round
1444 2011-02-01 13:14:26 <sipa> they know when a new block is found, but not if it's found by the pool or not
1445 2011-02-01 13:14:36 <ArtForz> sipa: yep
1446 2011-02-01 13:16:07 <molecular> #shares = 0.00023283613977992282 * cluster performance * current round duration
1447 2011-02-01 13:16:35 <molecular> slush, you're calculating the cluster performance that way, right?
1448 2011-02-01 13:16:51 <slush> so bad that pool must hide those interesting numbers to users, but if it prevent pool attacks from bad users, I'll consider this
1449 2011-02-01 13:17:02 <molecular> are these "attacks" happening?
1450 2011-02-01 13:17:07 <slush> molecular: not now
1451 2011-02-01 13:17:09 <molecular> can you somehow tell?
1452 2011-02-01 13:17:17 <slush> molecular: as there is only one main pool
1453 2011-02-01 13:17:36 <slush> molecular: but yesterday, when few long round appeared, some big players disconnected
1454 2011-02-01 13:17:47 <molecular> solution: just remain being the best (only) pool
1455 2011-02-01 13:17:51 <slush> I think they were nervous about possible pool bug or so...
1456 2011-02-01 13:18:06 <molecular> how big are the big players? 2ghash/s?
1457 2011-02-01 13:18:07 <slush> This is free market, anybody can run his own pool :)
1458 2011-02-01 13:18:14 <slush> some > 6ghash
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1460 2011-02-01 13:18:20 <molecular> wow
1461 2011-02-01 13:18:21 <slush> or... I know one
1462 2011-02-01 13:19:00 <molecular> I disconnected when a few long rounds appeared, but that was due to my psu failing ;)
1463 2011-02-01 13:19:07 <slush> I know :)
1464 2011-02-01 13:19:20 <slush> And, to be honest, I was not talking about you when mentioned 'big players' ;)
1465 2011-02-01 13:19:24 <ArtForz> btw, getting better OC @ 1.1V ?
1466 2011-02-01 13:19:28 <molecular> I know
1467 2011-02-01 13:19:40 <molecular> oh yeah!
1468 2011-02-01 13:19:44 <molecular> 860/870 now
1469 2011-02-01 13:19:48 <sipa> a few reasonably-sized playes > one big player, maybe :)
1470 2011-02-01 13:19:57 * sipa also disconnected btw, because of network issues
1471 2011-02-01 13:19:59 <ArtForz> yeah, thats not bad
1472 2011-02-01 13:20:04 <molecular> thanks for walking me through the RBE-stuff, ArtForz
1473 2011-02-01 13:20:22 <molecular> I think I might push it just a little more to like 1.11 or 1.12
1474 2011-02-01 13:20:25 <ArtForz> thats about avg on my cards
1475 2011-02-01 13:20:31 <molecular> no more than that, because cooling starts becoming an issue
1476 2011-02-01 13:20:41 <ArtForz> yep
1477 2011-02-01 13:20:47 <sipa> default is how many V? 1?
1478 2011-02-01 13:20:50 <ArtForz> 1.05
1479 2011-02-01 13:20:54 <molecular> I'm thinking about putting the thing _outside_
1480 2011-02-01 13:20:58 <ArtForz> at 1.15 I had to run stock coolers at 80%+ constantly
1481 2011-02-01 13:21:06 <molecular> It's just the moisture/rain that's keeping me from doing that
1482 2011-02-01 13:21:30 <molecular> I'm running at 75°C with your fan_control, that gives about 70% fan
1483 2011-02-01 13:21:56 <molecular> moisture condenses when air cools, right, not when it gets heated
1484 2011-02-01 13:22:02 <ArtForz> yep
1485 2011-02-01 13:22:24 <molecular> will it screw my hardware if I put it outside in sort of a box I would make?
1486 2011-02-01 13:22:55 <ArtForz> normal air moisture is no problem, rain is
1487 2011-02-01 13:23:06 <molecular> even "indirect rain"?
1488 2011-02-01 13:23:16 <ArtForz> yep
1489 2011-02-01 13:23:27 <molecular> because droplets get into the airstream?
1490 2011-02-01 13:23:31 <ArtForz> yep
1491 2011-02-01 13:23:31 <ArtForz> you need a fine mesh/filter to catch droplets in intake
1492 2011-02-01 13:23:34 <noagendamarket> hmm
1493 2011-02-01 13:23:45 <molecular> which will limit airflow
1494 2011-02-01 13:24:06 <ArtForz> yep
1495 2011-02-01 13:24:15 <molecular> with current outside temps, cooling would be real efficient, right?
1496 2011-02-01 13:24:23 <ArtForz> yeah
1497 2011-02-01 13:24:37 * molecular never loved winter more
1498 2011-02-01 13:24:38 <molecular> ;)
1499 2011-02-01 13:24:49 <ArtForz> I'm setting up kinda the inverse for springtime
1500 2011-02-01 13:24:59 <molecular> ?
1501 2011-02-01 13:25:01 <ArtForz> hot air exhaust
1502 2011-02-01 13:25:08 <molecular> to the outside?
1503 2011-02-01 13:25:12 <ArtForz> yup
1504 2011-02-01 13:26:22 <ArtForz> got a nice 6" blower w/ 3-phase motor
1505 2011-02-01 13:26:26 <molecular> like the inverse of this: http://hackaday.com/2011/01/10/outside-air-cooled-pc/
1506 2011-02-01 13:26:39 <ArtForz> yep
1507 2011-02-01 13:27:07 <molecular> I could have a nice blower from a friend, too (green finger friend) which he accidently bought
1508 2011-02-01 13:27:14 <molecular> It has _huge_ airflow
1509 2011-02-01 13:27:54 <molecular> do you have your 5970 in your basement or living room or where?
1510 2011-02-01 13:28:00 <molecular> 5970 setup
1511 2011-02-01 13:28:16 <ArtForz> ground floor in center of staircase
1512 2011-02-01 13:28:23 <ArtForz> 20*5970 there
1513 2011-02-01 13:28:29 <molecular> allright, that will central-heat your building in summer ;)
1514 2011-02-01 13:28:42 <ArtForz> the rest are spread all over the place
1515 2011-02-01 13:29:01 <molecular> how about connecting all outgoing air into a chimney and make use of the chimney-effect ;)
1516 2011-02-01 13:29:13 <ArtForz> well, I want a way to switch between exhaust and recirculation
1517 2011-02-01 13:29:28 <sipa> maybe you can draw some power from using the hot air? ;)
1518 2011-02-01 13:29:43 <molecular> I thought you were planning on selling your 5970 when you got your asics up?
1519 2011-02-01 13:30:06 <molecular> yeah, make a perpetuum mobile
1520 2011-02-01 13:31:42 <ArtForz> when the gain in $/kWh is lower than gain from the # of ASICs for the price I can get from selling the GPUs
1521 2011-02-01 13:32:13 <molecular> well, if the current run on BTC on the trading places continues... this might still take some time ;)
1522 2011-02-01 13:32:17 <ArtForz> yep
1523 2011-02-01 13:32:56 <molecular> is 5970 price already dropping because of 5990?
1524 2011-02-01 13:33:02 <ArtForz> 6990 you mean
1525 2011-02-01 13:33:06 <molecular> yeah, sorry
1526 2011-02-01 13:33:16 <DiabloD3> heh
1527 2011-02-01 13:33:29 <ArtForz> doesnt really look like it here
1528 2011-02-01 13:34:34 <molecular> Brauerei Rhenania Krefeld NRW 1 Bierdeckel (5970) <- ebay says 1 eur for a 5970 ;)
1529 2011-02-01 13:34:46 <ArtForz> cheapest 5970 not sold out is ~$650 new
1530 2011-02-01 13:36:28 <molecular> hmm, god thing I bought 2 weeks ago
1531 2011-02-01 13:36:30 <molecular> good
1532 2011-02-01 13:36:47 <sipa> how many eur, ArtForz?
1533 2011-02-01 13:36:54 <molecular> 470
1534 2011-02-01 13:37:00 <molecular> 650 U.S. dollars = 472.899236 Euros
1535 2011-02-01 13:37:05 <ArtForz> yep
1536 2011-02-01 13:37:10 <ArtForz> 469
1537 2011-02-01 13:37:11 <molecular> (sez google)
1538 2011-02-01 13:37:25 <sipa> i bought my 5970 at 450 or so, 470 including shipping
1539 2011-02-01 13:37:30 <molecular> is there a good place to exchange EUR/BTC ?
1540 2011-02-01 13:37:36 <ArtForz> I bought a dozen at 410 :P
1541 2011-02-01 13:37:37 <molecular> by bank-wire?
1542 2011-02-01 13:37:45 <molecular> I bought 1 at 420
1543 2011-02-01 13:37:56 <ArtForz> hrrrm
1544 2011-02-01 13:37:57 <sipa> molecular: bank wire to bc or mtgox :)
1545 2011-02-01 13:38:04 <ArtForz> yeah, bitcoin-central or mtgox
1546 2011-02-01 13:38:07 <molecular> yeah, that will involve conversion to USD
1547 2011-02-01 13:38:13 <ArtForz> not on BC
1548 2011-02-01 13:38:16 <molecular> oh
1549 2011-02-01 13:38:40 <sipa> what's the established abbreviation for bitcoin-center? :)
1550 2011-02-01 13:38:44 <ArtForz> BC
1551 2011-02-01 13:38:55 <sipa> ...
1552 2011-02-01 13:39:39 <molecular> "bitcoin-center"? bitcoin-central?
1553 2011-02-01 13:39:44 <ArtForz> yeah
1554 2011-02-01 13:40:08 <ArtForz> currently no decents asks for EUR though
1555 2011-02-01 13:40:14 <sipa> you suggest bitcoin-central but not BC, while bitcoin-central = BC?
1556 2011-02-01 13:40:25 <molecular> EUR/BTC volume is likely a bit on the low side
1557 2011-02-01 13:40:50 <molecular> but why? all these german miners ;)
1558 2011-02-01 13:41:39 <ArtForz> I'd say mainly because of mtgox rally
1559 2011-02-01 13:42:12 <molecular> hmm
1560 2011-02-01 13:43:20 <molecular> turning my case-fans to blow _into_ the case seems to have helped cooling considerably
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1562 2011-02-01 13:43:28 <ArtForz> yes
1563 2011-02-01 13:43:38 <molecular> especially when I open the balkony door to have a smoke
1564 2011-02-01 13:43:48 <ArtForz> with 5970s you generally want all case fans to blow into the case
1565 2011-02-01 13:43:49 <molecular> pre-smoke: fan=70%, post-smoke: 55%
1566 2011-02-01 13:43:55 <ArtForz> hahaha, yeah
1567 2011-02-01 13:44:23 <ArtForz> *checks fan speed* "hey, you left the damn door open again"
1568 2011-02-01 13:45:06 <molecular> with 5970 the air-intake is on the back end of the card, right?
1569 2011-02-01 13:45:12 <ArtForz> ?
1570 2011-02-01 13:45:14 <molecular> those slits on top are..?
1571 2011-02-01 13:45:18 <ArtForz> exhaust
1572 2011-02-01 13:45:32 <molecular> it seems to exhaust mostly to the outside where the connectors are
1573 2011-02-01 13:45:35 <ArtForz> yep
1574 2011-02-01 13:46:15 <ArtForz> the slits along the top are exhaust from air over the VRM cooler for the VRMs sitting between the chips at the top of the card
1575 2011-02-01 13:46:23 <molecular> my case sux: case-fans are on the side and psu is on _wrong_ side of motherboard (had to get one with extra-long cable)
1576 2011-02-01 13:46:47 <molecular> there's only about 2cm from these slits to my case ;|
1577 2011-02-01 13:47:05 <ArtForz> the rear VRMs (the overheating ones) sit *under* the fan (who the fuck had that great idea?)
1578 2011-02-01 13:47:39 <molecular> btw: VRM temp reading. anything "releasable"?
1579 2011-02-01 13:47:44 <ArtForz> not yet
1580 2011-02-01 13:48:44 <lfm> interesting so if the total shares is greater than difficulty you should drop out and min on your own
1581 2011-02-01 13:50:08 <lfm> ;;bc,difficulty
1582 2011-02-01 13:50:08 <gribble> Error: "bc,difficulty" is not a valid command.
1583 2011-02-01 13:50:13 <lfm> ;;bc,diff
1584 2011-02-01 13:50:13 <gribble> 22012.4941572
1585 2011-02-01 13:51:07 <molecular> there's some overhead to switching, though. at least if you restart the miner. you'd have to impl switching in the miner.
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1588 2011-02-01 13:52:31 <lfm> for accumulating style pools so long as the total accumulated shares is less than 22012 since last block pool found. after that switch to another pool or mine on your own
1589 2011-02-01 13:53:07 <lfm> molecular: not a lot of overhead to change over really
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1592 2011-02-01 13:57:06 <lfm> could impl switching in a script really, just a kill and restart. small chance of killing at same time you find a share
1593 2011-02-01 13:58:20 <molecular> well, doesn't seem to be too much work to put it into DiabloMiner.java either. But I don't really like the idea of switching at all. Not very friendly.
1594 2011-02-01 13:59:39 <lfm> this is capotalism, whats freindly got to do with it? :-) actually current contirutions type pools do not have problem
1595 2011-02-01 13:59:49 <molecular> btw: my script to restart bitcoind in case of "silent disconnect" seems to be working well: http://pastebin.com/ddPLaszE
1596 2011-02-01 13:59:53 <lfm> contributions
1597 2011-02-01 14:00:14 <molecular> "contribution type"?
1598 2011-02-01 14:00:45 <lfm> the current connected type
1599 2011-02-01 14:03:09 <slush> you don't need to restart miner at all
1600 2011-02-01 14:03:22 <slush> switching URL in running miner would be easy patch
1601 2011-02-01 14:03:25 <lfm> change connection address
1602 2011-02-01 14:03:32 <molecular> yeah
1603 2011-02-01 14:04:15 <slush> or somebody can just run it as a service :)
1604 2011-02-01 14:04:27 <lfm> it does reply on up to moment accurate info about total shares
1605 2011-02-01 14:04:37 <lfm> rely
1606 2011-02-01 14:04:40 <slush> you will connect miners to single URL and service will decide which pool is the best for you
1607 2011-02-01 14:05:39 <slush> (which is far from idea because of additional latencies and so, but it would be very easy to use)
1608 2011-02-01 14:08:12 <lfm> service cant switch you to localhost if oyu wanna go it alone at that point
1609 2011-02-01 14:08:35 <slush> well, it can be simple script to download
1610 2011-02-01 14:09:05 <lfm> just run script then forget service
1611 2011-02-01 14:09:26 <slush> yep
1612 2011-02-01 14:09:40 <slush> ...and change in miner is not needed at all...
1613 2011-02-01 14:10:44 <lfm> seems like it is general flaw in accumulating share type versus current connected type pools
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1616 2011-02-01 14:21:34 <slush> lfm: when pool does not show current status, it's not problem at all
1617 2011-02-01 14:22:40 <lfm> unless one can guess or something, not sure
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1622 2011-02-01 14:31:29 <UukGoblin> hm
1623 2011-02-01 14:31:32 <UukGoblin> price went up a bit
1624 2011-02-01 14:31:41 <luke-jr> it usually does
1625 2011-02-01 14:31:53 <UukGoblin> have you seen it?
1626 2011-02-01 14:33:16 <lfm> ya someone buying like they're drownin g today
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1629 2011-02-01 14:36:52 <Kiba> wow
1630 2011-02-01 14:36:56 <Kiba> just fricking wow
1631 2011-02-01 14:37:43 <Kiba> that mean I have 518.31 USD worth of bitcoin :D
1632 2011-02-01 14:38:10 <lfm> arnt you g;ad you didnt sell em yesterday?
1633 2011-02-01 14:38:16 <lfm> glad
1634 2011-02-01 14:39:57 <Kiba> I don't sell my bitcoin
1635 2011-02-01 14:39:58 <Kiba> I hoard them
1636 2011-02-01 14:45:29 <wumpus> just...wow
1637 2011-02-01 14:46:02 <TheAncientGoat> Man, waiting for the market to crash is tense
1638 2011-02-01 14:46:07 <Kiba> I just notice
1639 2011-02-01 14:46:13 <wumpus> every time I look on mtgox the price seems to have almost doubled :p
1640 2011-02-01 14:46:13 <Kiba> The French now have their own forum
1641 2011-02-01 14:46:26 <luke-jr> up to $0.5102
1642 2011-02-01 14:46:27 <luke-jr> big deal?
1643 2011-02-01 14:46:43 <lfm> try 0.75
1644 2011-02-01 14:46:47 <luke-jr> not on Market
1645 2011-02-01 14:46:58 <Kiba> Bitcoin Market?
1646 2011-02-01 14:46:59 <lfm> mtgox
1647 2011-02-01 14:47:00 <wumpus> I'm looking at the graph on the frontpage
1648 2011-02-01 14:47:06 <Kiba> that market always lag behind mtgox
1649 2011-02-01 14:47:09 <TheAncientGoat> That's not going to stick
1650 2011-02-01 14:47:18 <TheAncientGoat> It's going to drop to sub 0.4 again
1651 2011-02-01 14:47:26 <Kiba> TheAncientGoat: may the Reality prove you wrong
1652 2011-02-01 14:47:27 <wumpus> yeah, there will be another buying moment
1653 2011-02-01 14:47:33 <wumpus> I hope :)
1654 2011-02-01 14:47:35 <Kiba> TheAncientGoat: I think it will stay at 0.50
1655 2011-02-01 14:47:44 <x6763> there's only one ask on bitcoinmarket according to this: http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/bcmPPUSD.html
1656 2011-02-01 14:47:51 <TheAncientGoat> But it's promising that it jumped like that though
1657 2011-02-01 14:48:10 <TheAncientGoat> It jumped like this last time, where everyone freaked out about the 0.5 point
1658 2011-02-01 14:48:13 <AAA_awright> the market is so small that people waiting for it to fall back to $0.30 will bid it back up to whatever it needs to be at
1659 2011-02-01 14:48:23 <Kiba> price briefly went down to .70
1660 2011-02-01 14:48:26 <Kiba> then to .75
1661 2011-02-01 14:48:41 <AAA_awright> Point is, people _value_ bitcoin, it's going to take a long sustained event to kill it off
1662 2011-02-01 14:48:58 <AAA_awright> I think we can now say that Mises was wrong, for this one, small thing :D
1663 2011-02-01 14:48:59 <lfm> briefly went to 0.95
1664 2011-02-01 14:49:01 <wumpus> yep
1665 2011-02-01 14:49:18 <AAA_awright> When do we schedule the "Mises Was Wrong" party?
1666 2011-02-01 14:49:19 <Kiba> AAA_awright: Mises wasn't wrong!
1667 2011-02-01 14:49:30 <ArtForz> yeah, but the 0.95 trade was 10btc ...
1668 2011-02-01 14:49:39 <x6763> wrong about what?
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1670 2011-02-01 14:49:41 <Kiba> bitcoin didn't violate Mises' Regression Theorem!
1671 2011-02-01 14:49:56 <AAA_awright> I think I missed the proof unproof
1672 2011-02-01 14:50:15 <wumpus> you can't prove anything about the future
1673 2011-02-01 14:50:43 <Kiba> next signifigant resistance is .8950
1674 2011-02-01 14:51:02 <Kiba> after that, it's .9350
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1676 2011-02-01 14:51:28 <lfm> 1200 btc isnt much "resistance
1677 2011-02-01 14:51:31 <Kiba> assuming that people don't sell
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1679 2011-02-01 14:52:04 <wumpus> of course some people will sell
1680 2011-02-01 14:52:07 <TheAncientGoat> How much actual bartering is happening though?
1681 2011-02-01 14:52:19 <TheAncientGoat> Isn't all the activity based on speculation?
1682 2011-02-01 14:52:24 <lfm> 72000 volume
1683 2011-02-01 14:52:39 <Kiba> TheAncientGoat: not totally
1684 2011-02-01 14:52:42 <luke-jr> lol
1685 2011-02-01 14:52:46 <Kiba> I made like 400 BTC last month from work
1686 2011-02-01 14:52:49 <luke-jr> a lot of 100 BTC transfers in -monitor
1687 2011-02-01 14:52:51 <lfm> TheAncientGoat: the whole btc market is speculation
1688 2011-02-01 14:53:05 molecular has joined
1689 2011-02-01 14:53:28 <Kiba> 7265.49 USD today
1690 2011-02-01 14:53:30 <Kiba> that's nothing
1691 2011-02-01 14:53:42 <TheAncientGoat> lfm: Sure, but I'm still wondering how much /actual/ bartering is going on
1692 2011-02-01 14:53:50 <luke-jr> TheAncientGoat: I have one BTC customer
1693 2011-02-01 14:53:54 <TheAncientGoat> Instead of just generating, buying + hoarding
1694 2011-02-01 14:53:55 <Kiba> lfm: don't you mean trading?
1695 2011-02-01 14:55:01 <luke-jr> how many blocks before I can sell my BTC on MtGox?
1696 2011-02-01 14:55:10 <x6763> luke-jr: i think 6
1697 2011-02-01 14:55:13 <ArtForz> 6
1698 2011-02-01 14:55:14 <luke-jr> :/
1699 2011-02-01 14:55:39 <lfm> kiba the "value" of btc is based on its future speculative value more than its value as a working currency it seems mostly so far
1700 2011-02-01 14:57:11 <Kiba> lfm: we're still so god damn unpopular
1701 2011-02-01 14:57:16 <Kiba> our economy is so god damn small
1702 2011-02-01 14:57:42 <Kiba> wee! 3.3 million dollars economy?
1703 2011-02-01 14:58:26 <lfm> some $30k in trades today is getting more significant
1704 2011-02-01 14:58:33 <wumpus> yeah it completely depends on what you compare with
1705 2011-02-01 15:00:10 <lfm> yup small compared to nyse
1706 2011-02-01 15:05:11 <Keefe> luke-jr: last i heard mtgox requires 16 confirms for btc deposits
1707 2011-02-01 15:05:21 <ArtForz> 6
1708 2011-02-01 15:05:27 <Keefe> how long ago?
1709 2011-02-01 15:05:31 <ArtForz> today
1710 2011-02-01 15:05:37 <Keefe> i hear 16 just yesterday
1711 2011-02-01 15:05:55 <Keefe> from slush i think
1712 2011-02-01 15:05:59 <molecular> 16 sounds a bit high, I think it's less
1713 2011-02-01 15:06:10 <Keefe> ya, i thought 16 was a bit overkill :)
1714 2011-02-01 15:06:10 <x6763> i also saw 16 yesterday, but it was only 6 when i deposited some coins
1715 2011-02-01 15:06:14 <lfm> typo
1716 2011-02-01 15:06:22 <molecular> likely
1717 2011-02-01 15:06:31 <Keefe> coincidence, but not a typo
1718 2011-02-01 15:06:39 <Keefe> he first started asking after 9
1719 2011-02-01 15:07:05 <Keefe> anyway, glad it's back to 6
1720 2011-02-01 15:07:15 <ArtForz> it has been 6 for months
1721 2011-02-01 15:10:44 <luke-jr> I love how FedEx sits on a package if it's moving too fast
1722 2011-02-01 15:10:54 <luke-jr> "hmm, they only paid for 5 days, gotta slow down a bit"
1723 2011-02-01 15:10:58 <luke-jr> -.-
1724 2011-02-01 15:11:43 <luke-jr> next time, I'll have to offer a few $ extra to ship UPS
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1726 2011-02-01 15:14:52 <luke-jr> 3/6 doneâ¦
1727 2011-02-01 15:16:12 <wumpus> luke-jr: and if you're paying more to deliver faster, you're actually paying for storage of the slow packages :)
1728 2011-02-01 15:16:15 <afed> lol is this really how you turn bitcoins into money
1729 2011-02-01 15:16:33 <luke-jr> ?
1730 2011-02-01 15:16:34 <afed> mtgox -> liberty reserve -> some other party -> paypal -> my bank
1731 2011-02-01 15:16:50 <luke-jr> no
1732 2011-02-01 15:16:54 <afed> is there a method that less resembles money laundering
1733 2011-02-01 15:17:04 <luke-jr> Market -> PayPal -> Bank
1734 2011-02-01 15:17:14 <afed> ok
1735 2011-02-01 15:17:14 <wumpus> well it costs extra to hold the packages for longer, someone is paying for that
1736 2011-02-01 15:17:26 <lfm> an alternative -> http://www.nanaimo-gold.com/
1737 2011-02-01 15:17:28 <luke-jr> wumpus: UPS doesn't do it :P
1738 2011-02-01 15:17:31 <afed> who wants 1000 bitcoins at .75
1739 2011-02-01 15:17:43 <luke-jr> afed: .45 and sold ;P
1740 2011-02-01 15:17:51 <afed> .95 for you
1741 2011-02-01 15:17:55 <luke-jr> haha
1742 2011-02-01 15:17:58 <luke-jr> .95 TBC? :P
1743 2011-02-01 15:18:27 <Keefe> afed: it's easy to sell bitcoins. it's just hard to buy bitcoins with soft money (paypal, credit card, etc)
1744 2011-02-01 15:18:54 <afed> and if i want to sell bitcoins for soft money that means the other guy is buying them with it
1745 2011-02-01 15:18:59 <luke-jr> half the problem selling, is that the buyers also want to sell :p
1746 2011-02-01 15:19:38 <Keefe> afed: what it means is you have to trust that the other guy isn't going to do a chargeback and cheat you
1747 2011-02-01 15:19:54 <luke-jr> if someone operated a sell-only PayPal service, I bet PayPal would never freeze them for it
1748 2011-02-01 15:20:30 <luke-jr> if afed charges .95 to cover the risk of chargeback, does it justify charging back? :P
1749 2011-02-01 15:20:50 <niekie> Hahahahaha. Xunie is paranoid :D
1750 2011-02-01 15:21:03 <niekie> I just sent him an executable, and he thinks it's going to steal his bitcoin wallet :)
1751 2011-02-01 15:21:06 <Keefe> i'll buy afed's btc at whatever price i can immediately sell them at mtgox for minus fees and minus a bit of profit for me
1752 2011-02-01 15:21:15 <luke-jr> niekie: paranoid how? it probably will
1753 2011-02-01 15:21:18 <niekie> In reality, it just prints "Cactus, jongah!" :)
1754 2011-02-01 15:21:22 <luke-jr> niekie: only fools run random executables
1755 2011-02-01 15:21:29 <niekie> luke-jr: True.
1756 2011-02-01 15:21:38 <niekie> Though I wouldn't do that.
1757 2011-02-01 15:21:42 <niekie> Or would I? Hahaha.
1758 2011-02-01 15:21:51 <luke-jr> you would. :p
1759 2011-02-01 15:21:54 <niekie> Hey :(
1760 2011-02-01 15:22:23 <niekie> Maybe if I could get off my arse and actually learn non-scripted languages so he wouldn't be able to look at the code.
1761 2011-02-01 15:22:32 <luke-jr> LOL
1762 2011-02-01 15:22:35 <niekie> Except for making a lame hello-world-like program.
1763 2011-02-01 15:23:02 <niekie> In Go. Heh.
1764 2011-02-01 15:23:16 <niekie> package main
1765 2011-02-01 15:23:16 <niekie> func main() {
1766 2011-02-01 15:23:16 <niekie> println("Cactus, jongah!");
1767 2011-02-01 15:23:17 <niekie> }
1768 2011-02-01 15:23:29 <luke-jr> wtf messed language is that?
1769 2011-02-01 15:23:30 <niekie> There Xunie, now you can compile it yourself. That's the entire source code :)
1770 2011-02-01 15:23:32 <Keefe> i'd buy 700 @ 0.66
1771 2011-02-01 15:23:44 <x6763> luke-jr: google's Go
1772 2011-02-01 15:23:52 <luke-jr> Keefe: me too. then resell it immediately.
1773 2011-02-01 15:23:58 <Keefe> exactly
1774 2011-02-01 15:24:19 <Xunie> niekie, from 0000c970 to 0000dae0 every 16 bytes a "@" appears, wtf?!
1775 2011-02-01 15:24:41 <Kiba> o_O
1776 2011-02-01 15:24:50 <Xunie> 0000db10 2e 70 61 6e 69 63 5f 00 43 61 63 74 75 73 2c 20 |.panic_.Cactus, |
1777 2011-02-01 15:24:51 <Xunie> 0000db20 6a 6f 6e 67 61 68 21 00 5b 5d 2a 72 75 6e 74 69 |jongah!.[]*runti|
1778 2011-02-01 15:24:54 <Xunie> HARR HARR
1779 2011-02-01 15:25:20 <Xunie> Also: lrn2C/C++, compiled > interpreted languages because of speed mang.
1780 2011-02-01 15:25:59 <Kiba> I have a weird follower that called himself an anti-capitalist
1781 2011-02-01 15:26:22 <luke-jr> who /isn't/ anti-capitalist? :P
1782 2011-02-01 15:27:12 <Kiba> I am an anarcho-capitalist
1783 2011-02-01 15:27:24 <Kiba> and I got AntiCapitalist twitter user following me o_O
1784 2011-02-01 15:27:30 <Kiba> http://twitter.com/#!/AntiCapitalistX
1785 2011-02-01 15:27:33 <luke-jr> but you're a nut. ;p
1786 2011-02-01 15:27:52 <Kiba> Of course I am nut
1787 2011-02-01 15:28:10 <lfm> kettle -> pot -> black
1788 2011-02-01 15:28:13 <Kiba> but clearly he think I stood for something I don't
1789 2011-02-01 15:29:44 <luke-jr> lfm: I'm not a nut, just an eccentric idealist :p
1790 2011-02-01 15:30:13 <lfm> potato <-> tomato
1791 2011-02-01 15:33:56 <Keefe> wow, 0.8 eur!
1792 2011-02-01 15:34:26 <Keefe> that's about 1.1 usd
1793 2011-02-01 15:35:32 <lfm> ya its spiking up again right now
1794 2011-02-01 15:37:35 <lfm> 0.85
1795 2011-02-01 15:37:37 <echelon> is theymos on often?
1796 2011-02-01 15:37:47 <lfm> ;;seen theymos
1797 2011-02-01 15:37:47 <gribble> theymos was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 12 hours, 11 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <theymos> gthread is part of glib, I believe.
1798 2011-02-01 15:37:48 DrEeevil is now known as bonsaikitten
1799 2011-02-01 15:38:05 <echelon> i still haven't received this payment, although it shows in blockexplorer that it in fact was sent
1800 2011-02-01 15:38:29 <echelon> it's been well over 10 hours
1801 2011-02-01 15:38:42 <echelon> actually, the payment was sent more than a day ago
1802 2011-02-01 15:38:46 <lfm> try reloading client
1803 2011-02-01 15:39:04 <echelon> ok
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1809 2011-02-01 15:44:55 <Kiba> WOAH WOAH WOAH
1810 2011-02-01 15:44:58 <Kiba> .85 USD
1811 2011-02-01 15:45:06 <DiabloD3> somethings not right here
1812 2011-02-01 15:45:10 <echelon> >:(
1813 2011-02-01 15:45:22 <luke-jr> so i'm at 7 confs now; mtgox still not showing it
1814 2011-02-01 15:45:41 <luke-jr> Kiba: where do you see .85?
1815 2011-02-01 15:45:50 <Kiba> on bitcoincharts.com
1816 2011-02-01 15:45:50 <Raulo> Can anybody help me with dual 5970 setup under Linux?
1817 2011-02-01 15:46:09 <Raulo> I had one working perfectly and after adding the second one, I cannot make it work
1818 2011-02-01 15:46:29 <x6763> .8442 now
1819 2011-02-01 15:46:35 <x6763> ;;bc,mtgox
1820 2011-02-01 15:46:35 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.95,"low":0.475,"vol":74136,"buy":0.682,"sell":0.8442,"last":0.8442}}
1821 2011-02-01 15:46:41 <EvanR-work> the .85 was really low volume
1822 2011-02-01 15:47:00 <luke-jr> hmm
1823 2011-02-01 15:47:12 <Raulo> Xorg is running but no display
1824 2011-02-01 15:47:20 <Raulo> Take 100% CPU
1825 2011-02-01 15:47:21 <x6763> everything above .8 has been pretty low volume
1826 2011-02-01 15:47:49 <Kiba> x6763: until .8950 resistance
1827 2011-02-01 15:48:02 <Kiba> 1894 BTC there
1828 2011-02-01 15:48:10 <x6763> we'll see how it goes
1829 2011-02-01 15:48:12 <Kiba> but it costs 1679
1830 2011-02-01 15:48:15 <Kiba> USD
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1832 2011-02-01 15:49:48 <Raulo> Is aticonfig --initial --adapter=all a correct way to initialize xorg.conf?
1833 2011-02-01 15:50:54 <Keefe> Raulo: yes, but you need to be root, and you might want to delete xorg.conf first to ensure aticonfig fills in only correct settings
1834 2011-02-01 15:51:07 <echelon> lfm, restarted the client.. connected to at least 20 nodes
1835 2011-02-01 15:51:43 <echelon> still no payment
1836 2011-02-01 15:52:24 <lfm> is the address payed to in your address book?
1837 2011-02-01 15:52:44 <Raulo> Keefe: I will try deleting the old one and try again.
1838 2011-02-01 15:52:44 <echelon> yeah
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1840 2011-02-01 15:52:59 <Raulo> What setting to look for?
1841 2011-02-01 15:53:00 <lfm> cat delete old txn
1842 2011-02-01 15:53:01 <samfisher> hi
1843 2011-02-01 15:53:06 <lfm> cant delete
1844 2011-02-01 15:53:14 <echelon> huh?
1845 2011-02-01 15:53:18 <samfisher> are the prices from mt.gox correct?
1846 2011-02-01 15:53:26 <Keefe> yes
1847 2011-02-01 15:53:34 <lfm> if its in the block chain no one can delete
1848 2011-02-01 15:53:38 <Keefe> crazy, huh?
1849 2011-02-01 15:54:02 <samfisher> 1 BTC = 0.85 usd? so i i want to buy 10 BTC, i have to give 8.5 usd?
1850 2011-02-01 15:54:22 <Keefe> yep
1851 2011-02-01 15:54:36 <samfisher> crazy, indeed
1852 2011-02-01 15:54:51 <Keefe> or put in a low bid and hope for a big wave of selling pushing the price back down
1853 2011-02-01 15:54:55 <lfm> echelon what is your address it was payed to? (if you dont mind me knowing)
1854 2011-02-01 15:55:11 <echelon> pm?
1855 2011-02-01 15:55:34 <Keefe> echelon: did you already check that you've received all blocks thru current?
1856 2011-02-01 15:55:59 <echelon> it's been well over a day
1857 2011-02-01 15:56:02 <lfm> echelon: bitcoin address?
1858 2011-02-01 15:56:16 <samfisher> it seems all bussineses need to adjust their prices in BTC
1859 2011-02-01 15:56:16 <echelon> i just pm'ed it
1860 2011-02-01 15:56:17 <Keefe> Raulo: whatever aticonfig creates from scratch should be fine
1861 2011-02-01 15:57:10 <Keefe> echelon: but just in case there's something preventing your client from getting blocks for a day, check the block count
1862 2011-02-01 15:57:25 <Keefe> i have 105682
1863 2011-02-01 15:57:33 <echelon> 105682
1864 2011-02-01 15:57:49 <echelon> i was using a different wallet when the payment was sent
1865 2011-02-01 15:57:56 <echelon> i'm wondering if that's an issue
1866 2011-02-01 15:58:14 <Keefe> as long as you see the address in your current wallet, no problem
1867 2011-02-01 15:58:23 <Keefe> the address the money was sent to
1868 2011-02-01 15:58:49 <echelon> ya, it's there
1869 2011-02-01 16:00:43 <Keefe> if all else fails, delete the blk* files and let your client re-download
1870 2011-02-01 16:00:55 <Keefe> just don't delete wallet.dat of course :)
1871 2011-02-01 16:01:32 * nameless !~root@weowntheinter.net|steals Keefe's wallet.dat
1872 2011-02-01 16:01:48 <Raulo> Keefe: Still does not work. Display is not working (although I can login remotely)
1873 2011-02-01 16:02:11 <Raulo> If I do export DISPLAY=:0, all aticonfig command hang
1874 2011-02-01 16:02:27 <Keefe> dunno. some mobo's can't handle a 5970 in the second slot
1875 2011-02-01 16:02:33 <Keefe> blame the bios writers i guess
1876 2011-02-01 16:03:05 <Raulo> Damn. It was a motherboard recommended by Artforz
1877 2011-02-01 16:03:06 <Raulo> :)
1878 2011-02-01 16:03:19 <Keefe> oh, then that can't be the problem
1879 2011-02-01 16:03:21 <Raulo> I still think it is a software problem
1880 2011-02-01 16:03:23 <Keefe> he knows this stuff
1881 2011-02-01 16:03:30 <Raulo> lspci shows both cards
1882 2011-02-01 16:03:45 <Keefe> assuming you got the exact model he tried
1883 2011-02-01 16:03:52 <Raulo> aticonfig --list-adapters show all of them
1884 2011-02-01 16:04:06 <Keefe> oh, so what doesn't work?
1885 2011-02-01 16:04:15 <Raulo> Well, it's not exact model he tried, I'm afraid but I newer version of the one he tried
1886 2011-02-01 16:04:25 <Raulo> No display at all
1887 2011-02-01 16:04:39 <Raulo> I can only login remotely
1888 2011-02-01 16:04:44 <Keefe> tried all 4 dvi ports and no display?
1889 2011-02-01 16:05:04 <Raulo> There is diplay during boot before Xorg starts
1890 2011-02-01 16:05:15 <Keefe> i run my miners headless only so wouldn't know if the display wasn't working
1891 2011-02-01 16:05:40 <Raulo> Yes, but Xorg needs to be running and it is not running properly
1892 2011-02-01 16:05:41 <Keefe> well, ArtForz is the expert on this stuff, ask him
1893 2011-02-01 16:05:44 <Raulo> Takes 100% CPU
1894 2011-02-01 16:06:00 <ArtForz> sounds like messed up xorg.conf / amdpcsdb
1895 2011-02-01 16:06:13 <Raulo> OK. What to look for?
1896 2011-02-01 16:06:19 <Keefe> ah, didn't think about pcs
1897 2011-02-01 16:06:26 <luke-jr> ;;bc,mtgox
1898 2011-02-01 16:06:27 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.95,"low":0.475,"vol":73095,"buy":0.78,"sell":0.8399,"last":0.8442}}
1899 2011-02-01 16:06:28 <Raulo> I did a clean aticonfig --initial
1900 2011-02-01 16:06:36 <Raulo> Found all 4 adapters
1901 2011-02-01 16:06:43 <ArtForz> are the PCI IDs in xorg.conf correct?
1902 2011-02-01 16:06:51 <ArtForz> don't forget the -f if you already have a xorg.conf
1903 2011-02-01 16:07:03 <ArtForz> hmm, that sounds ok
1904 2011-02-01 16:07:33 <ArtForz> all 4 GPUs show up in lspci?
1905 2011-02-01 16:07:45 <Raulo> Yes
1906 2011-02-01 16:07:59 <Raulo> 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Device 689c
1907 2011-02-01 16:08:10 <Raulo> 04:00.0 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc Device 689c
1908 2011-02-01 16:08:21 <Raulo> That's the first pone
1909 2011-02-01 16:08:25 <ArtForz> yep
1910 2011-02-01 16:08:30 <Raulo> 07:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Device 689c
1911 2011-02-01 16:08:39 <Raulo> 08:00.0 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc Device 689c
1912 2011-02-01 16:08:43 <Raulo> Second one
1913 2011-02-01 16:09:08 <ArtForz> = the PCI bus IDs for the 4 devices in xorg.conf should be 3/4/7/8
1914 2011-02-01 16:09:29 <slush> Raulo: I have the same problem with 4x 5970
1915 2011-02-01 16:09:41 <slush> Raulo: two works fine, three not
1916 2011-02-01 16:09:56 <slush> I solved it last week by two computers with two cards...
1917 2011-02-01 16:09:59 <Raulo> in xorg.conf, there are 4 devices but it's 7/4/3/8
1918 2011-02-01 16:10:07 <Raulo> Should I change the order?
1919 2011-02-01 16:10:16 <ArtForz> I'd try it
1920 2011-02-01 16:10:20 <ArtForz> because thats just weird
1921 2011-02-01 16:10:31 <Raulo> OK. Trying...
1922 2011-02-01 16:11:45 <Raulo> I need to reboot because Xorg is unkillable
1923 2011-02-01 16:11:52 <ArtForz> because that order is 2nd card master/1st card slave/1st card master/2nd card slave
1924 2011-02-01 16:12:14 <ArtForz> dunno, but initing slave gpu before master might cause problems
1925 2011-02-01 16:13:15 <Raulo> Rebooted but it doesnt not look anything changed. Xorg still takes 100% CPU
1926 2011-02-01 16:14:30 <Raulo> aticonfig --list-adapters shows 7/4/3/8
1927 2011-02-01 16:14:40 <Raulo> Just like before
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1931 2011-02-01 16:16:33 <Raulo> Xorg.log does not look bad
1932 2011-02-01 16:16:46 <Raulo> No obvious errors
1933 2011-02-01 16:18:07 <Raulo> I may try newer Catalyst drivers. I have stock Ubuntu lucid ones: 8.723.1
1934 2011-02-01 16:20:17 <Raulo> Or maybe I need to modify /etc/ati/amdpcsdb ?
1935 2011-02-01 16:22:20 <lfm> raulo generally ati driver downloads 10-11 or 10-12 are recomened
1936 2011-02-01 16:22:56 <Raulo> OK. Try the new ones. This is so frustrating...
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1945 2011-02-01 16:43:00 <uberjar> hey. I hear there are a couple of bitcoin meets rapidshare type sites out there does anyone know the url ?
1946 2011-02-01 16:44:48 <omglolbbq1> i guess satoshi has met some govt officials and was asked nicely to take a well earned nicely paid-for vacation... :)
1947 2011-02-01 16:45:02 <EvanR-work> lol
1948 2011-02-01 16:45:24 <lfm> whats rapidshare?
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1950 2011-02-01 16:46:09 <uberjar> a service where you pay a small fee to upload a file for other people to download
1951 2011-02-01 16:46:34 <uberjar> you pay a few btc to upload then you get paid by the site for when others download
1952 2011-02-01 16:46:37 <Kiba> bitcoinservice.co.uk
1953 2011-02-01 16:46:44 <Kiba> you actually earn bitcoin, not pay bitcoin to upload files
1954 2011-02-01 16:46:59 <lfm> oh ya I heard of something like that but sorry I dont know the url
1955 2011-02-01 16:47:16 <Kiba> bitcoinservice.co.uk is the last download site standing
1956 2011-02-01 16:47:26 <uberjar> there were two others
1957 2011-02-01 16:47:29 <uberjar> I just can't remember them
1958 2011-02-01 16:47:36 <uberjar> they were offering a much better deal
1959 2011-02-01 16:47:38 <Kiba> uberjar: pastecoin
1960 2011-02-01 16:47:42 <Kiba> and ubito.us
1961 2011-02-01 16:47:43 <uberjar> yes!
1962 2011-02-01 16:47:53 <Kiba> only pastecoin is offering a much better deal
1963 2011-02-01 16:47:57 <Kiba> ubito.us just sucks
1964 2011-02-01 16:48:17 <Kiba> pastecoin is still dead
1965 2011-02-01 16:48:24 <Kiba> jgarzik still didn't do anything about it
1966 2011-02-01 16:48:45 <uberjar> *sigh*
1967 2011-02-01 16:48:57 <Kiba> well, the download market is stagnant
1968 2011-02-01 16:49:02 <Kiba> bencoder disappeared from the scene
1969 2011-02-01 16:49:12 <Kiba> nothing over at bitcoinservice.co.uk get developed
1970 2011-02-01 16:49:37 <Kiba> it's an opportunity to seize what little of the market there actually is
1971 2011-02-01 16:50:11 <omglolbbq1> kiba, is there anything known about satoshi's status?
1972 2011-02-01 16:50:20 <Kiba> omglolbbq1: he is busy
1973 2011-02-01 16:50:23 <Kiba> that what gavinandresen told us
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1975 2011-02-01 16:51:00 <omglolbbq1> makes me think; take away the leader of a developing project, and it will turn into chaos or bleed to death
1976 2011-02-01 16:51:15 <omglolbbq1> he could at least let us know he wont be on for a bit
1977 2011-02-01 16:51:18 <Kiba> it acutally didn't happen
1978 2011-02-01 16:51:33 <Kiba> omglolbbq1: obviously you didn't read the thread
1979 2011-02-01 16:51:49 <omglolbbq1> i was looking for it but can't find it anymore?
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1981 2011-02-01 16:52:09 <lfm> bitcoin isnt spozed to have any leader or central authority
1982 2011-02-01 16:52:39 <omglolbbq1> lfm, yet, there s a website owner and single person handing out the binaries :)
1983 2011-02-01 16:52:40 <Kiba> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2757.0
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1985 2011-02-01 16:52:46 <omglolbbq1> ty kiba
1986 2011-02-01 16:53:02 <lfm> omglolbbq1: lots of people hand out binaries
1987 2011-02-01 16:53:16 <citizen> as bitcoin grows, we will see how well it was designed
1988 2011-02-01 16:53:20 <Kiba> infectious binaries1
1989 2011-02-01 16:53:24 <citizen> then i would expect bitcoin 2.0 to come out :)
1990 2011-02-01 16:53:37 <omglolbbq1> i heard about the qbitcoin client, but i dont think it's usable yet?
1991 2011-02-01 16:53:40 <lfm> citizen: need bitcoin 1.0 first
1992 2011-02-01 16:53:51 <citizen> true
1993 2011-02-01 16:53:52 <lfm> we're stil on 0.3
1994 2011-02-01 16:53:56 <gavinandresen> Speaking of binaries... I need somebody to help produce Windows binaries.
1995 2011-02-01 16:54:37 <lfm> crickets
1996 2011-02-01 16:54:49 <omglolbbq1> gavinandresen, if you can explain a guy that doesnt know any coding how to do that, i could try xD
1997 2011-02-01 16:54:53 <gavinandresen> I'm floundering trying to get either a mingw or visual c++ dev environment setup on a an Amazon EC2 VM
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2000 2011-02-01 16:56:26 <Kiba> join #bc-market
2001 2011-02-01 16:56:28 <Kiba> err
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2008 2011-02-01 17:06:13 <hacim> if I am going to add a 5970 to my 5870 setup, what would the best way to do that be? nuke xorg.conf, then do aticonfig --inital again?
2009 2011-02-01 17:06:32 <ArtForz> thats usually the easiest way
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2011 2011-02-01 17:07:34 <ArtForz> also had to nuke /etc/ati when I converted a 2*5770 to 5770+5970
2012 2011-02-01 17:07:48 <ArtForz> */etc/ati/amdpcsdb
2013 2011-02-01 17:07:59 <hacim> how are those created?
2014 2011-02-01 17:08:22 <ArtForz> the default files are created on fglrx install
2015 2011-02-01 17:08:35 <hacim> so that means re-install fglrx?
2016 2011-02-01 17:08:41 <ArtForz> after that fglrx reads/writes them on x start/stop
2017 2011-02-01 17:08:51 <ArtForz> pretty much
2018 2011-02-01 17:09:07 <ArtForz> at least thats the easiest way on most distros
2019 2011-02-01 17:19:55 <Raulo> OK, I'm back and it's working. Upgrading to 10.12 solved all the problems
2020 2011-02-01 17:20:13 <lfm> yay
2021 2011-02-01 17:20:19 <slush> Raulo: which version did you use before?
2022 2011-02-01 17:20:21 <Raulo> Who could have knowsn that ATI driver programmers actually fix some bugs
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2025 2011-02-01 17:21:03 <lfm> good that you skipped over the new 11.1 prolly
2026 2011-02-01 17:21:07 <Raulo> slush: 8.723.1
2027 2011-02-01 17:21:14 <Raulo> It's 10.4 or something
2028 2011-02-01 17:21:54 <ArtForz> ubuntu stock fglrx versions are mostly FUBAR
2029 2011-02-01 17:22:24 <Raulo> Well, it worked perfectly with single card
2030 2011-02-01 17:22:28 <ArtForz> either old as fuck or weird pre-release betas
2031 2011-02-01 17:22:55 <Raulo> Anyway, I will probably have to forget about overclocking because two cards are hotter than one by a few degrees
2032 2011-02-01 17:23:01 <ArtForz> yep
2033 2011-02-01 17:23:27 <Raulo> On 70% fan ther are upper 70s
2034 2011-02-01 17:23:40 <Raulo> It was low 70s with a single card
2035 2011-02-01 17:23:47 <ArtForz> yupz
2036 2011-02-01 17:23:57 <Raulo> It sucks. :)
2037 2011-02-01 17:24:04 <ArtForz> cards at 3-slot spacing?
2038 2011-02-01 17:24:29 <Raulo> Yes. The space between cards is 1 slot
2039 2011-02-01 17:24:33 <ArtForz> yeah
2040 2011-02-01 17:24:44 <ArtForz> in that setup the top card generally runs a bit hotter
2041 2011-02-01 17:25:20 <Raulo> I have a very powerful fan pointing towards the upper one so it is actually cooler a bit
2042 2011-02-01 17:25:35 <ArtForz> wow
2043 2011-02-01 17:26:16 <Raulo> But it's running for several minutes, maybe it is not yet in equilibrium
2044 2011-02-01 17:26:33 <ArtForz> yeah, usually takes quite a while for temps to settle
2045 2011-02-01 17:26:44 <ArtForz> those cards have quite a lot of thermal mass
2046 2011-02-01 17:38:11 <devrandom> gavinandersen - sent a pull request for the gitian builder desc file... I still need to enable specifying commits on the command line and put up an updated synopsis + results.
2047 2011-02-01 17:40:07 <midnightmagic> good lord, $0.75
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2050 2011-02-01 17:50:40 <gavinandresen> devrandom: cool, thanks!
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2057 2011-02-01 18:00:31 <devrandom> gavinandersen - https://gist.github.com/806265#file_build_bitcoin.sh
2058 2011-02-01 18:01:06 <hacim> hm, the fan on my newly installed 5970 spun a little on bios post, but now isn't spinning
2059 2011-02-01 18:01:29 <devrandom> it's ready to be tested
2060 2011-02-01 18:03:49 <hacim> when I install the driver, i see it spin up temporarily
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2062 2011-02-01 18:04:50 <lfm> http://goo.gl/cqK1v <- cool
2063 2011-02-01 18:05:07 <devrandom> hacim - might be too cold to bother spinning
2064 2011-02-01 18:05:15 <devrandom> is it under load?
2065 2011-02-01 18:05:24 <hacim> devrandom: no, i just installed it. trying to get it going
2066 2011-02-01 18:05:41 <hacim> just nuked /etc/ati, reinstalled the driver, and did aticonfig --inital, now rebooting
2067 2011-02-01 18:05:59 <hacim> but lspci didn't see it, which concerns me
2068 2011-02-01 18:06:08 <devrandom> trying running something on it for a few seconds
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2070 2011-02-01 18:06:39 <lfm> can try this to force 100% fan -- aticonfig --pplib-cmd "set fanspeed 0 100"
2071 2011-02-01 18:06:42 <hacim> i'm not sure how, if the system can't see it
2072 2011-02-01 18:06:43 <devrandom> hm.. that's not good if it's not visible on the bus
2073 2011-02-01 18:07:21 <lfm> ok if not in lspci then its not found on the bus
2074 2011-02-01 18:07:30 <ArtForz> yep
2075 2011-02-01 18:07:57 <devrandom> did you plug in the power?
2076 2011-02-01 18:08:03 <ArtForz> if it's getting power thats usually == mainboard doesn't like dual 5970s
2077 2011-02-01 18:08:07 <hacim> might I need to do something in the bios?
2078 2011-02-01 18:08:08 <lfm> motherboard/bios issue basiclly
2079 2011-02-01 18:08:18 <hacim> it gets some power (fans spin a little)
2080 2011-02-01 18:08:38 <devrandom> but you did plug in the aux power, right?
2081 2011-02-01 18:08:40 <lfm> may need newer bios or bigger more expensive motherboard
2082 2011-02-01 18:08:49 <hacim> aux power? i plugged in two plugs
2083 2011-02-01 18:08:52 <devrandom> (the fan might spin with PCI power alone)
2084 2011-02-01 18:08:58 <devrandom> ok
2085 2011-02-01 18:09:16 <ArtForz> yep, fan spins on PCI power alone, card needs both aux plugs
2086 2011-02-01 18:09:51 <lfm> good point tho I forget those aux plugs sometimes too
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2089 2011-02-01 18:10:01 <ArtForz> same here
2090 2011-02-01 18:10:37 <ArtForz> also fun, forgetting the PSU end of a PCIe power cable on a modular PSU
2091 2011-02-01 18:11:39 <ArtForz> but yeah, looks like especially BIOSes of AMD chipset board w/ integrated graphics don't like dual 5970s for some reason
2092 2011-02-01 18:15:36 <jwalck> ArtForz: oh, thats what i currently have! 5970 on 780G
2093 2011-02-01 18:15:46 <jwalck> what problems are heard of?
2094 2011-02-01 18:15:57 <jwalck> ah, dual, just one in this one
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2096 2011-02-01 18:17:46 <ArtForz> dunno, single 5970 always worked here
2097 2011-02-01 18:18:22 <ArtForz> but all boards I tried didnt recognize a 5970 in 2nd PCIe x16 when anything was in 1st
2098 2011-02-01 18:19:00 <ArtForz> so 5970+5770 worked, 5770+5970 didnt
2099 2011-02-01 18:19:35 <jwalck> okay. yeah mine has worked but broke with 11.1, still not resolved
2100 2011-02-01 18:19:45 <jwalck> so working on 2/3 capacity for no apparent reason
2101 2011-02-01 18:20:29 <ArtForz> dont use 11.1 then?
2102 2011-02-01 18:20:44 <ArtForz> I'm still on 10.10 on most of my boxes
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2105 2011-02-01 18:22:11 <hacim> the aux plugs are just the two on the top, right?
2106 2011-02-01 18:22:50 <ArtForz> yep
2107 2011-02-01 18:24:07 <newsham> crazy price action on $/BTC since yesterday
2108 2011-02-01 18:24:12 <hacim> the 5970 has one aux plug that has two more pins than the 5870
2109 2011-02-01 18:24:16 <newsham> $0.5 -> $0.95 -> $0.75
2110 2011-02-01 18:24:30 <ArtForz> yep
2111 2011-02-01 18:24:43 <ArtForz> needs a 6pin and a 8pin
2112 2011-02-01 18:24:58 <newsham> wish i had set a limit at 0.9 :)
2113 2011-02-01 18:27:25 <hacim> i remove the 5870, and I'm not getting the screen to come up with just the 5970
2114 2011-02-01 18:27:44 <hacim> the fan starts the stops
2115 2011-02-01 18:28:32 <bencoder> Kiba: i'm still here, just busy. The site still works and it still gets used.
2116 2011-02-01 18:30:20 <bencoder> Certainly someone could probably do a better job, but the site was just a quick project to experiment with. If someone wants to buy it off me and improve it, they're welcome to make an offer.
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2118 2011-02-01 18:34:36 <x6763> bencoder: what site?
2119 2011-02-01 18:34:57 <nanotube> one of those 'pay to download' sites, iirc
2120 2011-02-01 18:35:05 <x6763> ah, i see
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2125 2011-02-01 18:37:25 <jwalck> ArtForz: I remember, you told me. :) I might try to get time to try again this evening to fix it. Really strange behavour on that card!
2126 2011-02-01 18:37:53 <newsham> $35k in volume yesterday.. geeze
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2130 2011-02-01 18:43:17 <hacim> ok, got the card to work, but having trouble getting X to come up
2131 2011-02-01 18:43:51 * jgarzik plugs... ok, mining pool alpha testing registration is up: http://pool.yyz.us/register.html After you register a username/password/BTC address, connect using that username/password to http://pool.yyz.us:8334/ with your 'getwork' miner.
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2133 2011-02-01 18:45:19 <hacim> if I remove the xorg.conf that aticonfig --initial made, I can start it
2134 2011-02-01 18:47:16 <hacim> err, i think the machine just rebooted on me :P
2135 2011-02-01 18:48:02 <nanotube> jgarzik: i know it's alpha and all. :) but a little frontpage with info would probably be well-received. :)
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2139 2011-02-01 18:50:44 <jgarzik> nanotube: like this? http://pool.yyz.us/
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2141 2011-02-01 18:51:09 <nanotube> jgarzik: haha no, i saw that one - i meant, one with information :)
2142 2011-02-01 18:51:40 <jgarzik> nanotube: what information do you want to see?
2143 2011-02-01 18:52:36 <hacim> it seems like this fan should come on
2144 2011-02-01 18:53:07 <nanotube> jgarzik: well, /i/ already know what it is. :) but i people may want to see something about bitcoin pools, a link to registration site, that it is in alpha stage, some instructions for joining, etc.
2145 2011-02-01 18:56:38 <jgarzik> nanotube: the basics of that are there. I agree it should be expanded, but this is really a temporary pool and temporary test. As I noted to slush, not sure whether I'll run this long term. Might just post the source code of a working pool, and let others run it. Or if it does stay up long term, it would get moved to pool.xf2.org with a newer interface.
2146 2011-02-01 18:56:55 * jgarzik wishes it would find a block already
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2148 2011-02-01 18:57:44 <nanotube> jgarzik: did you just put that up? or was i just failing to refresh page? :) btw, there's an extra </form> in the source.
2149 2011-02-01 18:57:49 <nanotube> but yes, what there is now is what i meant.
2150 2011-02-01 18:57:58 <nanotube> earlier i just saw the "pool web" heading and nothing else.
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2152 2011-02-01 18:59:45 <jgarzik> nanotube: yep, it was just a blank 'pool web' until 10 seconds after your initial comment :)
2153 2011-02-01 19:00:10 <nanotube> jgarzik: ah hehe ok
2154 2011-02-01 19:00:46 <luke-jr> what makes a 'share'?
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2156 2011-02-01 19:01:49 <jgarzik> luke-jr: similar to slush's pool. when a worker completes a unit of work, with a reduced-difficulty target.
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2158 2011-02-01 19:02:28 <luke-jr> I guess I'd need to understand the practical implementation of difficulty better to get it
2159 2011-02-01 19:03:13 <jgarzik> luke-jr: all of bitcoin is working to solve the problem "hash < target", where hash and target are 256-bit integers
2160 2011-02-01 19:03:38 <jgarzik> luke-jr: the higher the target, the more likely it is you will find a hash
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2162 2011-02-01 19:04:44 <theymos> Thanks to whoever just donated to BBE's address. :-)
2163 2011-02-01 19:04:52 <luke-jr> no SHA256 hash is going to be < the difficulties I've seen O.o
2164 2011-02-01 19:04:57 <jgarzik> luke-jr: pools use a higher target than mainnet. the assumption is that a pool will receive, say, 10,000 proofs-of-work for the higher (easier) target, and one of those PoW will also be the solution for the real mainnet PoW, thus earning a block.
2165 2011-02-01 19:05:31 <luke-jr> I see.
2166 2011-02-01 19:05:57 <jgarzik> luke-jr: when a block is found, the 50 BTC proceeds are divided up among all those who contributed a share towards that block.
2167 2011-02-01 19:06:17 <jgarzik> so, add your miner! every little bit helps.
2168 2011-02-01 19:07:00 <jgarzik> money, if any, goes into your pocket, not the EFF's. :)
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2172 2011-02-01 19:07:15 <luke-jr> why should I do yours instead of slush's? :P
2173 2011-02-01 19:07:58 <luke-jr> (serious question)
2174 2011-02-01 19:08:37 <Kiba> b00med!
2175 2011-02-01 19:09:00 <Kiba> somebody login into mtgox and stolen money
2176 2011-02-01 19:09:12 <luke-jr> â?
2177 2011-02-01 19:09:16 <Kiba> I only have 0.03 left so I lost very little
2178 2011-02-01 19:09:25 <Kiba> luke-jr: apperantly several days ago
2179 2011-02-01 19:09:31 <Kiba> 8 days ago
2180 2011-02-01 19:10:11 <luke-jr> Kiba: English?
2181 2011-02-01 19:10:51 <Kiba> somebody hacked into mtgox accounts and make like a bandit with all them oney transfered into libertyreserve
2182 2011-02-01 19:11:04 <Kiba> s/them oney/the money
2183 2011-02-01 19:11:09 <Kiba> accounts
2184 2011-02-01 19:11:09 <x6763> Kiba: is that what the accounty history entry on Jan 24 is about?
2185 2011-02-01 19:11:23 <Kiba> x6763: yup
2186 2011-02-01 19:11:32 <Kiba> x6763: ya got money stolen?
2187 2011-02-01 19:11:36 <x6763> ah, fortunately i had no balance in mtgox
2188 2011-02-01 19:11:41 <Kiba> haha
2189 2011-02-01 19:11:42 <x6763> nothing to steal
2190 2011-02-01 19:11:49 <Kiba> I appernatly I have 0.03 left but that's nothing either
2191 2011-02-01 19:11:56 <Kiba> I withdrawed all my money long ago
2192 2011-02-01 19:12:05 <Kiba> but what I didn't expect that my password was so easy to break into
2193 2011-02-01 19:12:32 <niekie> Heh.
2194 2011-02-01 19:12:33 <x6763> they couldn't have cracked the passwords
2195 2011-02-01 19:12:40 <x6763> mine is a long randomly generated one
2196 2011-02-01 19:12:43 <Kiba> I have words, symbols
2197 2011-02-01 19:12:45 <x6763> they got in another way
2198 2011-02-01 19:12:46 <Kiba> and numbers
2199 2011-02-01 19:12:48 <niekie> There's security vulnerabilities in every software :)
2200 2011-02-01 19:12:59 <necrodearia> x6763, my password is longer than your password
2201 2011-02-01 19:12:59 <Kiba> x6763: time to tell mtgox that there's not some dictionary attack
2202 2011-02-01 19:13:19 <ArtForz> weird
2203 2011-02-01 19:13:22 <x6763> necrodearia: haha
2204 2011-02-01 19:13:30 <niekie> Yesterday I discovered an XSS exploit exploitable to steal cookies, SQL injection, input validation errors and even authentication bypass on some website I was security auditing yesterday.
2205 2011-02-01 19:13:30 <dsg> Kiba: You didn't happen to use the same password for a sourceforge account did you? :)
2206 2011-02-01 19:13:45 <Kiba> I don't remember
2207 2011-02-01 19:13:53 <Kiba> but I don't use sourceforge anymore
2208 2011-02-01 19:13:55 <x6763> dsg: i know all of my passwords are randomly generated and different for each account
2209 2011-02-01 19:14:23 <x6763> so even if one of my passwords gets stolen from one place, it can't be used anywhere else
2210 2011-02-01 19:14:28 <ArtForz> yup
2211 2011-02-01 19:14:31 <dsg> x6763: Ok, that's interesting. My account had a fairly simple password and has it's balance intact
2212 2011-02-01 19:14:41 <ArtForz> 16-char alphanum pw FTW
2213 2011-02-01 19:14:50 <dsg> But it sounds like a dictionary attack isn't the case here
2214 2011-02-01 19:14:58 <x6763> no, definitely not a dictionary attack
2215 2011-02-01 19:15:06 <x6763> sql injection, maybe?
2216 2011-02-01 19:15:28 <ArtForz> then why leave big accounts untouched?
2217 2011-02-01 19:15:31 <Kiba> dsg: ye changing your password anyway?
2218 2011-02-01 19:15:35 <dsg> yep
2219 2011-02-01 19:15:36 <x6763> makes me a little nervous using mtgox
2220 2011-02-01 19:15:40 <dsg> already did :)
2221 2011-02-01 19:15:54 <mtgox> only two account with very weak passwords were broken into
2222 2011-02-01 19:15:59 <necrodearia> I usually use 256 char length otherwise if site restricts to smaller, than maximum permitted by site. e.g. google allows registration with up to 100 char length password, but login with up to 200 char length password
2223 2011-02-01 19:16:08 <necrodearia> s/than/then/
2224 2011-02-01 19:16:20 <mtgox> they weren't actually broken into someone just guessed their password
2225 2011-02-01 19:16:51 <ArtForz> how the f* do you guess a 8+ char random password?
2226 2011-02-01 19:16:52 <Kiba> well this is serious
2227 2011-02-01 19:17:13 <necrodearia> What happened btw? I missed the details
2228 2011-02-01 19:17:19 <necrodearia> Were mtgox accounts compromised?
2229 2011-02-01 19:17:19 <Kiba> my account are compromised
2230 2011-02-01 19:17:22 <necrodearia> oooh
2231 2011-02-01 19:17:27 <Kiba> it's not ujust two passwords that were broken into
2232 2011-02-01 19:17:32 * necrodearia checks accounts
2233 2011-02-01 19:17:34 <Kiba> err
2234 2011-02-01 19:17:35 <Kiba> account
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2236 2011-02-01 19:17:37 <necrodearia> Kiba: mtgox.com?
2237 2011-02-01 19:17:38 <mtgox> kiba why do youthink that?
2238 2011-02-01 19:17:40 <necrodearia> or other site?
2239 2011-02-01 19:17:48 <Kiba> mtgox: because on 1/24, something happened
2240 2011-02-01 19:18:02 <Kiba> others report something happening on 1/24 too
2241 2011-02-01 19:18:11 <ArtForz> nope, nothing happened here
2242 2011-02-01 19:18:21 <Kiba> hmm?
2243 2011-02-01 19:18:22 <mtgox> Artforz: their passwords weren't 8 characters
2244 2011-02-01 19:18:23 <x6763> my account just has a weird entry dated jan 24, 2011...i didn't have any balance until more recently, so there wasn't anything to steal at that point
2245 2011-02-01 19:18:40 <x6763> no idea what that entry is about, though
2246 2011-02-01 19:18:43 <mtgox> kiba: that doesn't mean someone accessed your account
2247 2011-02-01 19:19:19 <Kiba> well, what is it?
2248 2011-02-01 19:19:29 <mtgox> that was someone sending you 0 btc to get your username
2249 2011-02-01 19:19:35 <necrodearia> mtgox, I see something strange also
2250 2011-02-01 19:19:42 <Kiba> Oh
2251 2011-02-01 19:19:44 <necrodearia> 01/24/11 00:16 Payment Process united 0 0 19.984 0.001
2252 2011-02-01 19:19:45 <x6763> mtgox: interesting
2253 2011-02-01 19:19:49 <necrodearia> I haven't logged into my account in over two months
2254 2011-02-01 19:19:49 <Kiba> so mine wasn't compromised
2255 2011-02-01 19:19:52 <necrodearia> But I logged in now.
2256 2011-02-01 19:20:02 <mtgox> kiba: I don't think so
2257 2011-02-01 19:20:13 <necrodearia> Actually, last time I logged in to the ccount was 09/14/10 05:15
2258 2011-02-01 19:20:15 <mtgox> you can change your pass to be sure
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2262 2011-02-01 19:21:47 <Kiba> necrodearia: got anything stolen?
2263 2011-02-01 19:21:48 <theymos> I have "united" stuff in my history, as well. My password was randomly generated and unique to MtGox.
2264 2011-02-01 19:21:55 <ArtForz> ohh, pw change finally works
2265 2011-02-01 19:21:59 <necrodearia> Kiba: No because there wasn't any balance in the accounts before.
2266 2011-02-01 19:22:19 <ArtForz> mtgox just explained what the "united" thing was
2267 2011-02-01 19:22:20 <necrodearia> But I managed to receive 19.84 bitcoin balance
2268 2011-02-01 19:22:25 <necrodearia> 19.984
2269 2011-02-01 19:22:40 <necrodearia> Which is kind of odd
2270 2011-02-01 19:22:58 * necrodearia reads mtgox's explanation
2271 2011-02-01 19:23:22 <theymos> So the 0-BTC payments were the attacker looking for account names?
2272 2011-02-01 19:23:25 <Kiba> well, it's time to take security more seriously
2273 2011-02-01 19:23:58 <Kiba> still scared the shit out of me to take stronger, password generated measure
2274 2011-02-01 19:24:07 <ArtForz> of course guessing my mtgox account name is VERY hard ;)
2275 2011-02-01 19:24:27 <necrodearia> <ArtForz> mtgox just explained what the "united" thing was - What was the explanation? I don't see it.
2276 2011-02-01 19:25:06 <ArtForz> <mtgox> that was someone sending you 0 btc to get your username
2277 2011-02-01 19:25:27 <ArtForz> = dragnet wordlist attack
2278 2011-02-01 19:25:41 <ArtForz> get large list of account names, try obvious passwords
2279 2011-02-01 19:25:53 <necrodearia> My mtgox password is 256 char length and unique, so it is entirely unlikely it is related to cracked passwords.
2280 2011-02-01 19:26:00 <ArtForz> theres always a few suckers with a PW of 12345
2281 2011-02-01 19:26:22 <luke-jr> lol
2282 2011-02-01 19:26:23 <necrodearia> Or, cracked passwords of long length
2283 2011-02-01 19:26:27 <Kiba> mtgox: I think you should froze all withdrawal
2284 2011-02-01 19:26:30 <ArtForz> or hunter2
2285 2011-02-01 19:26:41 <necrodearia> mtgox, I think you should enforce a restriction on password security
2286 2011-02-01 19:26:52 <luke-jr> my password is 15 random letters, numbers, and symbols âº
2287 2011-02-01 19:26:55 <necrodearia> e.g. 8 chars minimum and using letters, charactes, symbols and one uppercase and lowercase
2288 2011-02-01 19:27:06 <luke-jr> IMO, restrictions are annoying
2289 2011-02-01 19:27:14 <necrodearia> luke-jr, Yes, but what if you lose money?
2290 2011-02-01 19:27:16 <luke-jr> just disclaim responsibility for theft
2291 2011-02-01 19:27:21 <necrodearia> e.g. consider passwords for bank accounts
2292 2011-02-01 19:27:34 <ArtForz> then it's your own damn fault
2293 2011-02-01 19:27:34 <luke-jr> necrodearia: if I lose money because I used a weak password, that's my problem.
2294 2011-02-01 19:27:45 <necrodearia> true
2295 2011-02-01 19:28:11 <necrodearia> However, not everyone can afford to establish a strong password initially due to limited stat points.
2296 2011-02-01 19:28:21 <theymos> Restrictions are annoying because my randomly-generated passwords don't include symbols (since a lot of sites don't support them).
2297 2011-02-01 19:28:26 <brocktice> Oh yeah I have two of those 'united' things
2298 2011-02-01 19:28:27 <ArtForz> yep
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2302 2011-02-01 19:28:39 <ArtForz> thats why my random Pws are lower-upper-num
2303 2011-02-01 19:28:43 <Kiba> brocktice: got anything stolen?
2304 2011-02-01 19:28:48 <ArtForz> too many sites don't like symbols
2305 2011-02-01 19:28:48 <necrodearia> alphanumerics
2306 2011-02-01 19:28:51 <x6763> ArtForz: same here
2307 2011-02-01 19:28:53 <brocktice> Kiba: nope, thankfully
2308 2011-02-01 19:28:58 <brocktice> I had a decent password
2309 2011-02-01 19:29:07 <Kiba> I am in the same boat
2310 2011-02-01 19:29:08 <brocktice> just switched it to a better one yesterday though
2311 2011-02-01 19:29:11 <Kiba> decent password
2312 2011-02-01 19:29:20 <necrodearia> ArtForz> or ******* <-- What do the asterisks mean?
2313 2011-02-01 19:29:32 <citizen> a bunch of mtgox accounts have been hacked?
2314 2011-02-01 19:29:33 <Kiba> I'll be changing my password for my key
2315 2011-02-01 19:29:37 <Kiba> is it possible to do that?
2316 2011-02-01 19:29:41 <Kiba> private key
2317 2011-02-01 19:29:48 <ArtForz> oh, everytime someone types hunter2, all you see is *******
2318 2011-02-01 19:29:56 <ArtForz> bash.org FTW
2319 2011-02-01 19:30:03 <citizen> lol i love that one
2320 2011-02-01 19:30:23 <brocktice> ahahahaha
2321 2011-02-01 19:30:26 <ArtForz> and the epic classic. "I put on my robe and wizard hat"
2322 2011-02-01 19:30:36 <citizen> hahaha
2323 2011-02-01 19:30:48 <brocktice> WHAT, I TOLD YOU NOT TO TALK TO ME ANYMORE
2324 2011-02-01 19:31:01 <necrodearia> ooh, it's brittany spears!
2325 2011-02-01 19:31:22 brocktice is now known as britneyspears
2326 2011-02-01 19:31:26 <britneyspears> lol
2327 2011-02-01 19:31:29 britneyspears is now known as brocktice
2328 2011-02-01 19:32:25 <brocktice> can someone explain this whole sending-0-btc-for-account thing?
2329 2011-02-01 19:32:26 <necrodearia> ArtForz, mtgox: So if it was someone sending me 0 btc, then why do I now have 19.984 btc?
2330 2011-02-01 19:32:41 <ArtForz> probably because you had 19.84 btc before
2331 2011-02-01 19:32:46 <ArtForz> *19.984
2332 2011-02-01 19:32:56 <mtgox> that would be my guess also
2333 2011-02-01 19:33:03 <brocktice> where would such a person be sending the 0 btc?
2334 2011-02-01 19:33:08 <necrodearia> hmm
2335 2011-02-01 19:33:26 <Kiba> so a dumbass like liberty reserve more than they like bitcoin
2336 2011-02-01 19:33:51 <lfm> cuz you cant sell less than 10 btc?
2337 2011-02-01 19:33:52 <ArtForz> probably the old merchant or "transfer funds" APIs
2338 2011-02-01 19:34:28 <necrodearia> mtgox, A suggestion: Make the image at top-left corner a link to the home page.
2339 2011-02-01 19:34:45 <brocktice> ArtForz: I mean, how would transfering funds to me get my account name. Don't you need that in the first place to send the funds?
2340 2011-02-01 19:35:32 <lfm> brocktrice may be account number or account id separate from name
2341 2011-02-01 19:36:40 <necrodearia> Okay, I noticed in one of my mtgox accounts: from my latest activity in December, the Total BTC column shows the same value as from the 1.24.2011 event.
2342 2011-02-01 19:36:54 <necrodearia> However, from the first account that I logged in to a few moments ago, the Total BTC is different.
2343 2011-02-01 19:37:03 <necrodearia> Both accounts I hadn't logged into for 2+ months.
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2347 2011-02-01 19:40:03 <brocktice> necrodearia: what changed in between?
2348 2011-02-01 19:44:17 <necrodearia> I discussed with mtgox a bit more.
2349 2011-02-01 19:44:26 <hacim> ok, when other people power on their 5970, does the fan spin constantly?
2350 2011-02-01 19:44:39 <hacim> i'm beginning to think this fan isn't working
2351 2011-02-01 19:44:47 <necrodearia> Basically of my two mtgox accounts, both received the "united" transaction. But only one of the accounts had a change in balance "Total BTC" particularly, in which there was a gain or profit instead of a loss.
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2353 2011-02-01 19:45:14 <molecular> hacim, on power the fan make a split-second noise and then goes to 0%
2354 2011-02-01 19:45:19 <molecular> on my 5970
2355 2011-02-01 19:45:23 <ArtForz> yep
2356 2011-02-01 19:45:26 <necrodearia> I haven't logged into my accounts in over two months, so it wasn't activity that I generated or produced.
2357 2011-02-01 19:45:39 <wumpus> usually the fan only goes on when the GPU is crunching heavily
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2359 2011-02-01 19:46:05 <necrodearia> I don't understand what happened, but I thought I'd provide info relative to my accounts in case it is useful.
2360 2011-02-01 19:46:13 <noot> is it supposed to start turning automatically?
2361 2011-02-01 19:46:17 <luke-jr> w00t my radeon finally got to Orlando
2362 2011-02-01 19:46:47 <necrodearia> If any further information relative to my accounts is useful, such as my passwords, feel free to let me know and I will provide that information also.
2363 2011-02-01 19:47:15 <hacim> ok, maybe I have an X problem then
2364 2011-02-01 19:47:26 <necrodearia> druqzk
2365 2011-02-01 19:47:45 <hacim> better change your passwd
2366 2011-02-01 19:47:49 <molecular> hacim, even if the fan is broken, I think X should still start (?)
2367 2011-02-01 19:48:07 <hacim> its not starting with the aticonfig --initial I gave it
2368 2011-02-01 19:48:16 <molecular> what's it say?
2369 2011-02-01 19:48:54 <lfm> hacim is it listed in lspci?
2370 2011-02-01 19:49:01 <hacim> lfm: it is now
2371 2011-02-01 19:49:18 <ArtForz> if it shows up in lspci, it generally works
2372 2011-02-01 19:49:41 <ArtForz> so probably driver/config problem
2373 2011-02-01 19:50:49 <lfm> hacim look in /var/log/Xorg.log
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2375 2011-02-01 19:53:11 <riush> o:)
2376 2011-02-01 19:58:27 <molecular> can I send unconfirmed money?
2377 2011-02-01 19:58:59 <molecular> yes
2378 2011-02-01 19:59:04 <lfm> all send start unconfirmed
2379 2011-02-01 19:59:26 <theymos> Sending unconfirmed coins is allowed by the protocol, but Bitcoin won't let you.
2380 2011-02-01 19:59:40 <molecular> yeah, I thought maybe the client would refuse to send if previous tx is unconfirmed
2381 2011-02-01 19:59:41 <ArtForz> really?
2382 2011-02-01 19:59:43 <molecular> but it doesnt
2383 2011-02-01 19:59:49 <theymos> 0-confirmation is not allowed, I mean.
2384 2011-02-01 20:00:00 <ArtForz> I thought it trys to avoid it if possible, but still does it if it has no other option
2385 2011-02-01 20:00:01 <molecular> ok, I sent some with previous tx 1
2386 2011-02-01 20:00:17 <molecular> it didn't have another option. but didn't try @ 0
2387 2011-02-01 20:00:27 <ArtForz> weird
2388 2011-02-01 20:00:52 <theymos> ArtForz: After those sub-cent transactions that caused problems, Bitcoin won't send 0-confirmation coins, and these are not reflected in your balance.
2389 2011-02-01 20:01:05 <ArtForz> ahhh, right
2390 2011-02-01 20:01:33 <molecular> but starting from "1/uncoformed" it has no trouble using them and includes in balance
2391 2011-02-01 20:01:38 <ArtForz> yea
2392 2011-02-01 20:01:59 <theymos> It does prefer not to send >6-confirmation coins.
2393 2011-02-01 20:02:08 <hacim> hmm pplib-cmd "get fanspeed 0" shows me 29%, but I dont see the fan running
2394 2011-02-01 20:02:19 <ArtForz> thats.. .weird
2395 2011-02-01 20:02:21 <hacim> is there an internal fan?
2396 2011-02-01 20:02:23 <molecular> ! that's not good
2397 2011-02-01 20:02:24 <ArtForz> at 29% it should be running
2398 2011-02-01 20:02:41 <molecular> try to give it a little help with your finger?
2399 2011-02-01 20:02:57 <ArtForz> ahhh, now I remembevr
2400 2011-02-01 20:03:06 <ArtForz> it never sends externall received 0/unconf
2401 2011-02-01 20:03:25 <ArtForz> but it does send 0/unconf from send-to-self or change-to-self as a last resort
2402 2011-02-01 20:03:38 <sipa> sounds reasonable
2403 2011-02-01 20:04:29 <hacim> i just set the fanspeed to 100, and its not spinning more than just attempted spins
2404 2011-02-01 20:04:47 <molecular> "attempted spins"??
2405 2011-02-01 20:05:09 <hacim> it slowly spins for a few seconds then stops
2406 2011-02-01 20:05:26 <molecular> so there's no mechanical obstruction, it _can_ move?
2407 2011-02-01 20:05:27 <lfm> hacim its fubar
2408 2011-02-01 20:05:39 <hacim> right nothing in the way
2409 2011-02-01 20:06:13 <molecular> that's weird
2410 2011-02-01 20:06:13 <ArtForz> well, if aticonfig has other problems setting fan speed might not work properly either
2411 2011-02-01 20:06:27 <hacim> aticonfig seems to work fine right now
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2413 2011-02-01 20:06:37 <hacim> i fixed my X problem
2414 2011-02-01 20:06:37 <molecular> well, he said he reads fan-speed allright...
2415 2011-02-01 20:06:46 <hacim> and I can read temps
2416 2011-02-01 20:06:47 <ArtForz> what does --odgt say ?
2417 2011-02-01 20:06:56 <hacim> it was saying 89
2418 2011-02-01 20:07:03 <hacim> then got to 90, so I turned it off
2419 2011-02-01 20:07:04 <molecular> isn't it supposed to report the _actual_ speed, or is it reporting the _desired_ speed ?
2420 2011-02-01 20:07:16 <ArtForz> desired iirc
2421 2011-02-01 20:07:26 <ArtForz> aticonfig can't read actual speed
2422 2011-02-01 20:07:32 <ArtForz> need ADL for that
2423 2011-02-01 20:07:38 <molecular> hmm, then I'm guessing there's actually a problem with the fan (physically)
2424 2011-02-01 20:07:54 <hacim> i could try to run ArtForz's fancontrol
2425 2011-02-01 20:08:00 <ArtForz> aticonfig just reports the % PWM the fan controller is using
2426 2011-02-01 20:08:01 <lfm> i think ADL just gived desired too
2427 2011-02-01 20:08:06 <hacim> PWN?
2428 2011-02-01 20:08:25 <ArtForz> no, if you use get_fanspeed with FAN_SPEED_RPM you get actual RPM
2429 2011-02-01 20:08:34 <lfm> pwm -> pulse width modulation (speed control)
2430 2011-02-01 20:09:02 <ArtForz> if you use FANSPEED_PERCENT you get current PWM %
2431 2011-02-01 20:09:18 <ArtForz> never tried setting fanspeed by RPM
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2433 2011-02-01 20:10:08 <hacim> ok, so running your fancontrol should get it moving
2434 2011-02-01 20:10:35 <molecular> actually, using setfanspeed should get it moving, too
2435 2011-02-01 20:10:37 <ArtForz> here's a small tool to dump all that stuff: http://pastebin.com/XmGzkyVi
2436 2011-02-01 20:11:32 <hacim> err, temps of 95 are making me too nervous
2437 2011-02-01 20:11:45 <ArtForz> yeah, thats a bit way high
2438 2011-02-01 20:11:50 <ArtForz> is that with the card idle?
2439 2011-02-01 20:11:55 <hacim> yes
2440 2011-02-01 20:12:00 <hacim> well, my display is run off of it
2441 2011-02-01 20:12:15 <ArtForz> what does --odgc say for current clock?
2442 2011-02-01 20:12:55 <ArtForz> should show lowish clock and load% if you're not mining
2443 2011-02-01 20:13:08 <hacim> i need to power it on again, was concerned about the temps
2444 2011-02-01 20:13:23 <ArtForz> well, it *is* damn high
2445 2011-02-01 20:13:51 <ArtForz> idle on desktop 45-55°C is normal
2446 2011-02-01 20:14:13 <ArtForz> = might be a broken fan
2447 2011-02-01 20:14:17 <hacim> i'll power it up to get odgc and then bring it back down
2448 2011-02-01 20:15:13 <hacim> seems I purchased a bum card
2449 2011-02-01 20:17:08 <ArtForz> what does my small tool say for fsp/fsr ?
2450 2011-02-01 20:18:07 <hacim> this is exactly what my fan is doing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHUuD1s6qg4
2451 2011-02-01 20:18:23 <brocktice> hacim: is it the card or just the fan that's bad?
2452 2011-02-01 20:18:37 <hacim> brocktice: i think just the fan... i'm able to use the card
2453 2011-02-01 20:18:47 <brocktice> Is it a reference card?
2454 2011-02-01 20:18:54 <ArtForz> yeah, blown fan
2455 2011-02-01 20:19:00 <hacim> mmm, how do I know if its a reference card?
2456 2011-02-01 20:19:05 <brocktice> I could sell you a fan/heatsink
2457 2011-02-01 20:19:07 <ArtForz> it is a ref card
2458 2011-02-01 20:19:15 <brocktice> Last I saw they were going for more than $300 on ebay :)
2459 2011-02-01 20:19:22 <ArtForz> ?
2460 2011-02-01 20:19:25 <brocktice> It even said 'FAN ONLY' right in the title
2461 2011-02-01 20:19:35 <hacim> its a Sapphire
2462 2011-02-01 20:19:38 <ArtForz> I got a bunch for 20 EUR a pop
2463 2011-02-01 20:19:38 <brocktice> but I'm sure some dumbasses thought they were getting 1/2 off the going rate on a 5970
2464 2011-02-01 20:19:46 <ArtForz> btw, replacing those fans is "fun"
2465 2011-02-01 20:19:55 <brocktice> ArtForz: not bad if you replace the whole heatsink
2466 2011-02-01 20:20:02 <brocktice> It wasn't just the fan
2467 2011-02-01 20:20:04 <brocktice> it was the whole thing
2468 2011-02-01 20:20:08 <ArtForz> yeah, whole heatsink
2469 2011-02-01 20:20:09 <brocktice> minus the card
2470 2011-02-01 20:20:11 <hacim> brocktice: hmm? I dont understand
2471 2011-02-01 20:20:12 <ArtForz> still a PITA to swap
2472 2011-02-01 20:20:23 <brocktice> hacim: someone was selling their 5970 heatsink + fan on ebay
2473 2011-02-01 20:20:28 <brocktice> and it went for over 300
2474 2011-02-01 20:20:38 <hacim> jeez
2475 2011-02-01 20:20:40 <brocktice> surely anyone bidding that high must have thought they were getting the whole card
2476 2011-02-01 20:20:41 <ArtForz> once you have the heatsink off replacing the fan isnt even that bad either
2477 2011-02-01 20:21:13 <hacim> supposedly this has a warranty
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2479 2011-02-01 20:21:22 <brocktice> maybe go with that then
2480 2011-02-01 20:21:28 <ArtForz> yeah, if possible, RMA
2481 2011-02-01 20:21:31 <ArtForz> just about another 10 screws to get the shroud off the heatsink + 3 screws to remove the fan from the heatsink
2482 2011-02-01 20:21:41 <brocktice> It's not that bad
2483 2011-02-01 20:21:41 <ArtForz> but that failure is VERY rare on new 5970s
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2485 2011-02-01 20:21:48 <brocktice> I've done it 3 times to put on water blocks
2486 2011-02-01 20:22:12 <brocktice> oh hey look at this http://cgi.ebay.com/ATI-HD5970-Water-Block-XSPC-Razor-5970-/320649904089?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aa8393fd9
2487 2011-02-01 20:22:15 <brocktice> if you want one get it now
2488 2011-02-01 20:22:26 <ArtForz> kinda weird
2489 2011-02-01 20:23:00 <ArtForz> "blown fan winding" syndrome is usually seen on 1st gen 5970 fans
2490 2011-02-01 20:25:58 <necrodearia> Are there any talented or skilled graphic designers available?
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2492 2011-02-01 20:28:58 <hacim> ArtForz: i think I'm going to forgoe the --odgc and your tool, since it seems the fan is bum
2493 2011-02-01 20:29:07 <hacim> unless you think that would still be worth it
2494 2011-02-01 20:29:14 <ArtForz> well, if it really does that, yep
2495 2011-02-01 20:29:22 <ArtForz> dead fan
2496 2011-02-01 20:29:39 <ArtForz> if it's still under warranty, RMA
2497 2011-02-01 20:30:16 <hacim> already sent off the request :P
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2500 2011-02-01 20:36:46 <btcex> don't panic! don't panic! DON'T PANIC!11
2501 2011-02-01 20:37:03 <btcex> what happens?!
2502 2011-02-01 20:37:16 <newsham> artforz: is your asic farm online?
2503 2011-02-01 20:37:37 <ArtForz> nope
2504 2011-02-01 20:37:55 * sipa has seen this question at least 3 times the previous few days
2505 2011-02-01 20:38:03 <sipa> ArtForz must have seen it many times more :p
2506 2011-02-01 20:38:09 <ArtForz> yeah
2507 2011-02-01 20:38:17 <ArtForz> chips still havent shipped
2508 2011-02-01 20:39:24 <ArtForz> everything else except for cases is already here
2509 2011-02-01 20:39:41 <brocktice> ArtForz: taking preorders?
2510 2011-02-01 20:39:45 <ArtForz> nope
2511 2011-02-01 20:39:51 <brocktice> damn
2512 2011-02-01 20:40:22 <ArtForz> unless you want to order something which might or might not work at target speed. or at all... ;)
2513 2011-02-01 20:40:59 <brocktice> Heh
2514 2011-02-01 20:41:12 <brocktice> Mainly I want to be able to get them soon after they do go into production
2515 2011-02-01 20:41:17 <brocktice> and for sale
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2518 2011-02-01 20:44:25 <btcex> http://freebitcoins.appspot.com/ cool capcha
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2521 2011-02-01 20:46:46 <Kiba> I see resistance building up
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2523 2011-02-01 20:51:45 <echelon> where
2524 2011-02-01 20:52:39 <slush> isn't faucet broken? I already withdraw 0.05 bitcoins before months, now it offer me next 0.05
2525 2011-02-01 20:52:47 <slush> I thought it is based on IP log...
2526 2011-02-01 20:53:10 <echelon> maybe your ip changed?
2527 2011-02-01 20:53:15 <slush> no
2528 2011-02-01 20:53:33 <echelon> maybe it doesn't keep a long history
2529 2011-02-01 20:53:45 <slush> And when I tried to withdraw it, server error happen
2530 2011-02-01 20:53:49 <slush> Sorry about that, Chief! Our web server code has a bug in it-- thanks for helping us find it, and sorry to inconvenience you! We'll fix it as soon as we can.
2531 2011-02-01 20:54:30 <hacim> so what temperatures on a 5870 should I pay attention to?
2532 2011-02-01 20:55:07 <slush> who is behind faucet?
2533 2011-02-01 20:56:24 <luke-jr> What's with all the 10,000 BTC transfers?
2534 2011-02-01 20:56:28 <luke-jr> someone selling stock?
2535 2011-02-01 20:56:44 <luke-jr> slush: gavinandresen runs faucet IIRC
2536 2011-02-01 20:57:30 <Kiba> luke-jr: hmm>
2537 2011-02-01 20:57:40 <gavinandresen> Yeah, the faucet is sick at the moment....
2538 2011-02-01 20:57:42 <molecular> 10,000 BTC transfers? where?
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2540 2011-02-01 20:58:37 <luke-jr> molecular: #bitcoin-monitor
2541 2011-02-01 20:58:43 <luke-jr> [15:41:12] <bitcoincharts> TX 14crbtiapfwbiDgqCvMkkoqEAQwC1UF3Ra 10000.00 BTC dc4a41c09763f5c9951066e5e8ab6c3d90767f934fa0062209010be226add9d8
2542 2011-02-01 20:58:47 <luke-jr> [15:25:46] <bitcoincharts> TX 1PgsHEbizccyVnMmPSZ6UyMLEUP8DACaAf 10000.00 BTC 1JBynLYCW1QB7XHodVgdbZrgP5hf5N4cdf 18î§.36 TBC d2955eeea9a2b5274e64ab85d8675ef0d6b71d5648625fb26a4f693e9aa56264
2543 2011-02-01 20:59:08 <molecular> oh, I misunderstood transfer for "trade", sorry
2544 2011-02-01 20:59:08 <luke-jr> mayeb it's the same 10000
2545 2011-02-01 21:00:20 <molecular> someone bought many btc on mtgox last 2 days and now is getting ready to sell them ;)
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2548 2011-02-01 21:01:48 <luke-jr> molecular: at a loss, I would think
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2550 2011-02-01 21:02:58 <Kiba> wild wild wild wild market!
2551 2011-02-01 21:03:18 <Kiba> Jesus, people making spectulation when they knows so little
2552 2011-02-01 21:03:32 <citizen> keeps it interesting
2553 2011-02-01 21:03:34 <Kiba> "Oh, it's caused by this!
2554 2011-02-01 21:03:42 <Kiba> "Oh, it's actually by that!"
2555 2011-02-01 21:04:27 <gigitrix> BUT WHAT WAS IT CAUSED BY !!!1!11!!!1!!!11!!!1 (/jk)
2556 2011-02-01 21:06:31 <dsg> Whoo, just bought a PS3 for bitcoins :)
2557 2011-02-01 21:06:42 <dsg> First real-goods-trade for me.
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2562 2011-02-01 21:11:53 <Kiba> dsg: nice
2563 2011-02-01 21:12:28 <molecular> dsg: how many did you pay?
2564 2011-02-01 21:12:30 <gigitrix> awesome
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2566 2011-02-01 21:15:17 <dsg> 346.65 btc, used machine
2567 2011-02-01 21:16:13 <gigitrix> not bad
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2571 2011-02-01 21:21:01 <Kiba> ArtForz must be laughing his way to the bank
2572 2011-02-01 21:29:49 <Tritonio> WTF happened????
2573 2011-02-01 21:29:59 <Tritonio> 0.73????
2574 2011-02-01 21:30:15 <Tritonio> Did someone try to buy all Bitcoins in the world???
2575 2011-02-01 21:30:22 <molecular> Tritonio, just some of them
2576 2011-02-01 21:30:46 <Tritonio> :-D
2577 2011-02-01 21:31:27 <AAA_awright> Could this be a BitCoin bubble?
2578 2011-02-01 21:31:39 <AAA_awright> This is a massively interesting macroeconomic experiment
2579 2011-02-01 21:32:55 <x6763> i think it's going to settle back down to the $0.50s after the excitement's over
2580 2011-02-01 21:33:10 <x6763> within a day or two
2581 2011-02-01 21:33:22 <x6763> maybe the $0.60s
2582 2011-02-01 21:33:24 <Tritonio> what excitement? did something happen?
2583 2011-02-01 21:33:39 <x6763> some real big moves started yesterday and prices got all the way up to $0.95
2584 2011-02-01 21:33:45 <molecular> yeah, as you said, someone put a lot of USD on the table and said "gimme btc"
2585 2011-02-01 21:33:55 <x6763> and it's been all over the place since then
2586 2011-02-01 21:34:02 <Tritonio> so it's in the process of falling?
2587 2011-02-01 21:34:09 <molecular> who knows
2588 2011-02-01 21:34:12 <x6763> not sure, that's just my guess
2589 2011-02-01 21:34:55 <echelon> it's a good time to sell :P
2590 2011-02-01 21:35:43 <slush> if it is bubble, I'm ready to buy @ 0.4 :)
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2592 2011-02-01 21:38:35 <andrew12^mac> \o/
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2594 2011-02-01 21:42:43 <Vladimir_> waaay to early to talk about bubles, there are like 3000 people in bitcoin economy at most, wait at least until we have like 3-300 million people
2595 2011-02-01 21:43:16 <slush> is userbase expanding somehow?
2596 2011-02-01 21:43:26 <slush> On forum is only few active members
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2598 2011-02-01 21:43:31 <slush> but it does not mean anything
2599 2011-02-01 21:43:32 <Necr0s> I would say it's expanding.
2600 2011-02-01 21:43:43 <slush> I was active bitcoiner months before I registered on forum
2601 2011-02-01 21:43:47 <Necr0s> I only learned of it about 10 days ago, and I've already turned on 5 ppl I know.
2602 2011-02-01 21:44:04 <Vladimir_> based on mtgox yes it is expanding.... at least some hackers get educated in bitcoin ways lol
2603 2011-02-01 21:44:11 <slush> :)
2604 2011-02-01 21:44:36 <slush> mtgox volume does not indicate how many people is trading
2605 2011-02-01 21:44:41 <Vladimir_> I've been lurking around a week to two too
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2608 2011-02-01 21:45:43 <Necr0s> I still can't get the m0mchil miner to run for me.
2609 2011-02-01 21:45:54 <Necr0s> I think RPC is somehow b0rked.
2610 2011-02-01 21:46:25 <citizen> it won't connect to your server?
2611 2011-02-01 21:46:33 <Necr0s> Correct.
2612 2011-02-01 21:46:34 <citizen> did you do rpcallowip=x.x.x.x in the config
2613 2011-02-01 21:46:37 <slush> tcatm: ru here?
2614 2011-02-01 21:46:38 <citizen> server config file
2615 2011-02-01 21:46:41 <tcatm> slush: yep
2616 2011-02-01 21:46:45 <Necr0s> It doesn't appear to even attempt to connect.
2617 2011-02-01 21:46:57 <Necr0s> Yeah, I did that for the remote server.
2618 2011-02-01 21:46:58 <slush> tcatm: you worked on 'something like account hub', right?
2619 2011-02-01 21:46:59 <Vladimir_> about 10 years ago I've got involved in edonkey stuff, heavily, that thing just doubled in size every few weeks.. for long time... with bitcoin now I have exactly the same gut feeling as I had with edonkey than... and I think bitcoin has legs
2620 2011-02-01 21:47:15 <tcatm> slush: the early TX thing?
2621 2011-02-01 21:47:20 <slush> yes
2622 2011-02-01 21:47:44 <tcatm> haven't put much effort into it yet. too many projects :)
2623 2011-02-01 21:47:49 <Necr0s> I can ask it to connect to an arbirtary IP and port where I have a TCP listener running, and it never opens a connection.
2624 2011-02-01 21:48:11 <slush> tcatm: well, I think it is very interesting think (if I understood basic idea). I think it is much better than AH
2625 2011-02-01 21:48:23 <Necr0s> I think the server end is working fine, but the client is not.
2626 2011-02-01 21:48:25 <tcatm> for now, #bitcoin-monitor should be enough to make sure a TX made it to the network
2627 2011-02-01 21:48:41 <slush> tcatm: no way how to revert it?
2628 2011-02-01 21:48:57 <tcatm> sure, but unlikely if you assume the network to be honest
2629 2011-02-01 21:49:40 <slush> I can make some API for pool so people can check if some tx is going to be included to chain in next block
2630 2011-02-01 21:49:43 <tcatm> when it appears in -monitor, my miner knows about it and it is pretty well connected
2631 2011-02-01 21:49:52 <slush> ...maybe more trusted nodes with the same/similar api can do the job
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2633 2011-02-01 21:50:16 <tcatm> My idea was to build it using exiting bitcoin network
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2635 2011-02-01 21:50:42 <slush> tcatm: but it needs changes in mainline
2636 2011-02-01 21:50:46 <tcatm> no
2637 2011-02-01 21:50:57 <slush> tcatm: I think it is based on network
2638 2011-02-01 21:51:15 <slush> tcatm: because node can confirm that he accepted some broadcasted tx
2639 2011-02-01 21:52:01 <tcatm> That's easy. Connect twice to that node, send it the TX and check if it forwards it.
2640 2011-02-01 21:52:50 <slush> If I understand, client reject tx which goes under account balance or it is double spend, right?
2641 2011-02-01 21:53:15 <tcatm> Yep.
2642 2011-02-01 21:54:36 <slush> great. I'm thinking about showing accepted tx on special pool page
2643 2011-02-01 21:55:08 <tcatm> Charge for access to that page :P
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2645 2011-02-01 21:55:38 <tcatm> No, actually don't do that.
2646 2011-02-01 21:55:55 <slush> do what? Page or charge? :)
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2648 2011-02-01 21:56:05 <tcatm> Do neither.
2649 2011-02-01 21:56:32 <tcatm> You don't have enough hashrate to ensure the TX will be included into a block.
2650 2011-02-01 21:57:03 <tcatm> You'd need more than 50% and that wouldn't be good for other reasons.
2651 2011-02-01 21:57:13 <slush> but if pool accept tx, it will include it in block chain, sooner or later
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2653 2011-02-01 21:57:42 <slush> if somebody did not do it before
2654 2011-02-01 21:57:44 <tcatm> Not if another miner includes a TX with same prevouts before your pool finds a block.
2655 2011-02-01 21:58:10 <slush> yes, but then client see it is in block already
2656 2011-02-01 21:58:14 <slush> so job is done
2657 2011-02-01 21:58:43 <tcatm> It could a another TX with same prevout but different payee ;)
2658 2011-02-01 21:59:05 <luke-jr> hehe
2659 2011-02-01 21:59:18 <slush> hmm
2660 2011-02-01 21:59:21 <luke-jr> slush: mod your pool to work under that assumption, go ahead
2661 2011-02-01 21:59:24 <luke-jr> I'll demonstrateâ¦
2662 2011-02-01 21:59:25 <tcatm> Such a page could cause users to rely on it making it easier for attackers
2663 2011-02-01 21:59:25 <luke-jr> :p
2664 2011-02-01 22:00:10 <tcatm> "See, TX is on slush's page so you can be sure to receive those 10000 BTC. Just send me your gold bars as fast as you can!"
2665 2011-02-01 22:00:18 <slush> so broadcasting to bitcoin network is not enough? If somebody can send another tx which cancel this one? I probably don't understand it well
2666 2011-02-01 22:00:44 <luke-jr> tcatm: big red letters: "These tx are not guaranteed to be in a block yet" :P
2667 2011-02-01 22:01:00 <tcatm> Big red latters are seen, but not read :P
2668 2011-02-01 22:01:07 <luke-jr> slush: the payor could send it twice, to different people.
2669 2011-02-01 22:01:14 <luke-jr> slush: for example, once to his victim, then once to himself.
2670 2011-02-01 22:01:43 <slush> but once it is broadcasted to pool and pool broadcast it to the rest of network...?
2671 2011-02-01 22:01:50 <tcatm> Attacker could get a bunch of 5970s and just try the attack a few times. He can calculate his odds pretty good as he knows your and his hashrates.
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2673 2011-02-01 22:02:05 <luke-jr> slush: until it's a couple levels deep in the block chain, there's nothing sure
2674 2011-02-01 22:02:36 <slush> of course it is not *sure*
2675 2011-02-01 22:02:57 <slush> we are talking about zero confirmations
2676 2011-02-01 22:03:02 <luke-jr> âº
2677 2011-02-01 22:03:04 <slush> which would be enough to pay cofee
2678 2011-02-01 22:03:18 <luke-jr> tcatm: join #bitcoin-monitor to confirm my payment, then give me the goods quick; I don't want to wait.
2679 2011-02-01 22:03:50 <slush> luke-jr: why isn't check against -monitor enough for paying coffee?
2680 2011-02-01 22:04:00 <tcatm> luke-jr: -monitor is different. You don't know how much hashrate is behind all nodes I'm connected to (hint: > 300 connections)
2681 2011-02-01 22:04:04 <slush> luke-jr: of course I will wait to some confirmations once I'll trade 10 000 btcs
2682 2011-02-01 22:04:24 <luke-jr> tcatm: no different to the ignorant end user
2683 2011-02-01 22:04:25 <slush> tcatm: it is not different. It is the same as pool.
2684 2011-02-01 22:04:31 <slush> pool is also connected to others
2685 2011-02-01 22:09:39 <luke-jr> hmm
2686 2011-02-01 22:09:45 <luke-jr> BitCoin Market has stalemated
2687 2011-02-01 22:09:46 <tcatm> If you want to make such a page you should also analyze the structure of the network. A website is a lot more "official" than an IRC channel.
2688 2011-02-01 22:09:58 <luke-jr> buyers want .52, sellers want .88
2689 2011-02-01 22:10:07 <tcatm> I.e. track where TX appear and how many nodes spread them and where they're located
2690 2011-02-01 22:11:09 <hacim> hm, 11 confirmations on bitcoins I sent to mtgox, but not there yet
2691 2011-02-01 22:11:11 <tcatm> And make your code look for double spents and show them
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2695 2011-02-01 22:16:25 <andrew12^mac> ;;bc,mtgox
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2712 2011-02-01 22:43:48 <altamic> hey davout
2713 2011-02-01 22:43:53 <davout> hey!
2714 2011-02-01 22:44:00 <davout> howdy
2715 2011-02-01 22:44:24 <altamic> not bad here
2716 2011-02-01 22:45:19 <davout> how's the ruby client coming along ?
2717 2011-02-01 22:45:48 <altamic> nice I'm proud of it
2718 2011-02-01 22:45:59 <davout> working ?
2719 2011-02-01 22:46:07 <altamic> hehe sure
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2721 2011-02-01 22:47:18 <davout> you sharing it ?
2722 2011-02-01 22:47:22 <altamic> the protocol implementation is based on event-machine
2723 2011-02-01 22:47:37 <davout> on my side i'm working hard on BC, added pecunix support
2724 2011-02-01 22:47:41 <altamic> I've seen
2725 2011-02-01 22:47:46 <davout> about to work on more security related topics
2726 2011-02-01 22:47:56 <davout> after what happened to mtgox
2727 2011-02-01 22:48:41 <dirtyfilthy> bitcoin sites are going to be become increasingly valuable targets imho
2728 2011-02-01 22:48:51 <davout> i'll probably add something like you-get-locked-out-for-2-hours-after-3-failed-auth-attempts
2729 2011-02-01 22:48:59 <davout> yea
2730 2011-02-01 22:49:17 <davout> i'm probably going to end up putting bounties on a paranoid bitcoin client
2731 2011-02-01 22:49:31 <davout> that would require X passwords for doing stuff
2732 2011-02-01 22:49:34 <altamic> davout: as I told you I've planned to release a 0.1 version in the mid of this month
2733 2011-02-01 22:49:52 <bitanarchy> davout: what happened to mtgox? where accounts broken in to?
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2735 2011-02-01 22:50:04 <dirtyfilthy> i was thinking for a store being able to able disable certain rpc calls would be useful
2736 2011-02-01 22:50:53 <davout> thats an easy patch
2737 2011-02-01 22:50:57 <dirtyfilthy> yeah
2738 2011-02-01 22:51:10 <davout> altamic: is the code already available ?
2739 2011-02-01 22:51:12 <dirtyfilthy> you don't need to be able to send from the rpc interface
2740 2011-02-01 22:51:15 <altamic> nope
2741 2011-02-01 22:51:26 <davout> altamic: i'll totally beta-test it once the code is out there
2742 2011-02-01 22:51:37 <altamic> great
2743 2011-02-01 22:51:44 <dirtyfilthy> there's a lot to writing a client
2744 2011-02-01 22:51:49 <davout> dirtyfilthy: users want to be able to cash out easily
2745 2011-02-01 22:52:08 <Vladimir_> davout: consider getting some optionsl 2 factor auth, it could be as simple as one time password pad mailed to user or one of those fancy code generators
2746 2011-02-01 22:52:09 <dirtyfilthy> ah yeah, *you* need it, but lot's of people don't, like running a retail store
2747 2011-02-01 22:52:11 <davout> yea, but disabling an rpc call is trivial, even I can write such a patch
2748 2011-02-01 22:52:39 <davout> dirtyfilthy: i don't think most people running a retail store will run the client
2749 2011-02-01 22:52:49 <andrew12^mac> altamic: release the code!
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2751 2011-02-01 22:52:52 <davout> at least, not to accept payments
2752 2011-02-01 22:53:15 <altamic> andrew12^mac: why?
2753 2011-02-01 22:53:34 <andrew12^mac> because i want to see how you're parsing the protocol
2754 2011-02-01 22:53:53 <andrew12^mac> among other things :P
2755 2011-02-01 22:54:30 <altamic> with a dsl
2756 2011-02-01 22:54:44 <davout> ruby deliciousness in action!
2757 2011-02-01 22:55:36 <andrew12^mac> altamic: which one? ;)
2758 2011-02-01 22:55:56 <altamic> this one https://gist.github.com/806899
2759 2011-02-01 22:57:03 <davout> hmm, interesting
2760 2011-02-01 22:57:30 <andrew12^mac> altamic: source for the library itself? :P
2761 2011-02-01 22:57:35 <dirtyfilthy> bootstrapping the blocks is where i'm up to
2762 2011-02-01 22:57:58 <andrew12^mac> what is Bitcoin::Protocol
2763 2011-02-01 22:58:10 <dirtyfilthy> altamic: nice
2764 2011-02-01 22:58:18 <davout> class or module
2765 2011-02-01 22:58:34 <davout> on which an class instance method is called :D
2766 2011-02-01 22:58:35 <altamic> module of course
2767 2011-02-01 22:58:43 slush has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2768 2011-02-01 22:59:00 <davout> a class being in instance of the Class class
2769 2011-02-01 22:59:12 <davout> XD
2770 2011-02-01 22:59:22 <andrew12^mac> heh
2771 2011-02-01 22:59:39 <andrew12^mac> then what's an instance? :P
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2773 2011-02-01 22:59:56 <davout> everything
2774 2011-02-01 23:00:00 <andrew12^mac> lol
2775 2011-02-01 23:00:03 <andrew12^mac> wrong!
2776 2011-02-01 23:00:07 <andrew12^mac> in ruby everything is a method!
2777 2011-02-01 23:00:13 <davout> meh whatever
2778 2011-02-01 23:00:25 <davout> Class.class => Class
2779 2011-02-01 23:00:34 <davout> (or maybe Module actually)
2780 2011-02-01 23:00:37 <andrew12^mac> omg
2781 2011-02-01 23:00:42 <andrew12^mac> Class's class is Class!
2782 2011-02-01 23:00:43 <bitanarchy> did the dictionary attack on mtgox drive up the bitcoin price?
2783 2011-02-01 23:00:44 slush has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2784 2011-02-01 23:00:55 <altamic> davout: https://gist.github.com/806907
2785 2011-02-01 23:01:06 <davout> Class inherits from Module, or mixes it in can't remember which
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2787 2011-02-01 23:01:09 <andrew12^mac> yesss!
2788 2011-02-01 23:01:19 <davout> ruby is fucking awesome
2789 2011-02-01 23:01:29 <Kiba> ?
2790 2011-02-01 23:01:36 <davout> no stupid primitive types
2791 2011-02-01 23:01:44 <andrew12^mac> ruby is ucking fawesome
2792 2011-02-01 23:01:49 <donpdonp> did something happen to mtgox? is there a writeup on it somewhere?
2793 2011-02-01 23:02:09 <ArtForz> *headdesk*
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2795 2011-02-01 23:02:19 <andrew12^mac> ArtForz: lmfao
2796 2011-02-01 23:03:12 <davout> ruby philosphy: if you can bang your head against it, it's probably a desk :D
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2798 2011-02-01 23:03:27 <ArtForz> yup, duck typing is fun
2799 2011-02-01 23:03:32 <Kiba> donpdonp: MtGox suffered a security attack.
2800 2011-02-01 23:03:34 <donpdonp> fine. i'll just stay in the dark. over here in my non-mtgox-knowing part of the world. :)
2801 2011-02-01 23:03:40 <davout> or maybe a wall, but we're doing ruby so we don't care about types, we care about banging our head against something
2802 2011-02-01 23:03:47 slush has joined
2803 2011-02-01 23:03:48 <ArtForz> or just read the fine chatlog
2804 2011-02-01 23:04:01 <donpdonp> ArtForz: i gave up after a few hundred lines of backscroll
2805 2011-02-01 23:04:18 <ArtForz> asshat used the old transfer API to get a list of account names on jan 24
2806 2011-02-01 23:04:19 <Kiba> all that discussion is happening while the market is in a wild rally
2807 2011-02-01 23:04:38 <ArtForz> then ran a plain old dragnet pw-guessing attack
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2809 2011-02-01 23:05:20 <ArtForz> compromised 2 accounts with stupid passwords
2810 2011-02-01 23:05:35 <donpdonp> ouch.
2811 2011-02-01 23:05:36 <andrew12^mac> oh
2812 2011-02-01 23:05:46 <andrew12^mac> is that why almost parity happened?
2813 2011-02-01 23:05:51 <ArtForz> lesson: don't use 12345 as the combination for your lug... mtgox account
2814 2011-02-01 23:05:58 <ArtForz> I very much doubt it
2815 2011-02-01 23:06:01 <andrew12^mac> heh
2816 2011-02-01 23:06:05 <donpdonp> nice Space Balls refenece
2817 2011-02-01 23:06:26 <Kiba> andrew12^mac: the cracker sold it for libertyreserve
2818 2011-02-01 23:06:36 <Kiba> too stupid to haul the bitcoin away
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2820 2011-02-01 23:06:52 <ArtForz> yep, so it should have *lowered* prices
2821 2011-02-01 23:06:56 <ArtForz> but... didnt
2822 2011-02-01 23:07:08 <andrew12^mac> i'm confused
2823 2011-02-01 23:07:14 <noagendamarket> maybe it was a combination of things
2824 2011-02-01 23:07:16 <ArtForz> confused about what?
2825 2011-02-01 23:07:25 <andrew12^mac> they sold it for lr
2826 2011-02-01 23:07:34 <andrew12^mac> wait
2827 2011-02-01 23:07:37 <andrew12^mac> nevermind
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2830 2011-02-01 23:08:14 <noagendamarket> didnt they just buy heaps of coins with mt gox dollars and force the price up then withdraw coins ?
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2832 2011-02-01 23:08:28 <nanotube> noagendamarket: no, it seems they sold coins and withdrew lr.
2833 2011-02-01 23:08:32 <nanotube> see that forum thread.
2834 2011-02-01 23:08:36 <ArtForz> errr... mtgox said otherwise I think
2835 2011-02-01 23:08:36 <donpdonp> did the compromised accounts have a large amount of coins?
2836 2011-02-01 23:08:42 <Kiba> they seem to be smart enough to research mtgox
2837 2011-02-01 23:08:44 <andrew12^mac> clearly i dont look at the forum enough
2838 2011-02-01 23:08:46 omglolbbq has left ()
2839 2011-02-01 23:08:53 <Kiba> but not smart enough to realize that bitcoin are a valuable commoditiy
2840 2011-02-01 23:09:32 * donpdonp stumbles across the mtgox account compromised thread. http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3089.0
2841 2011-02-01 23:09:41 <andrew12^mac> \o/ donpdonp
2842 2011-02-01 23:10:01 <nanotube> ArtForz: well let me hunt up the thread... but i'm pretty sure it was 'sell btc, withdraw lr'
2843 2011-02-01 23:10:16 <nanotube> scratch the huntup. donpdonp already posted it heh
2844 2011-02-01 23:10:46 <nanotube> ArtForz: first post in thread. 'withdrawn to paypal', which is how lr withdraws show up in history.
2845 2011-02-01 23:11:01 <ArtForz> yep
2846 2011-02-01 23:11:10 <ArtForz> first thread on general forum
2847 2011-02-01 23:11:34 <andrew12^mac> heh
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2849 2011-02-01 23:15:24 <Kiba> 103 people were online today
2850 2011-02-01 23:15:27 <andrew12^mac> "When I see a bird that walks like a duck and swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, I call that bird a duck."
2851 2011-02-01 23:16:08 <ArtForz> ?
2852 2011-02-01 23:16:44 <nanotube> and when i see andrew12^mac talking about ducks, i think something fishy is going on. hehe
2853 2011-02-01 23:16:47 <nanotube> or maybe ducky
2854 2011-02-01 23:17:50 <andrew12^mac> that's from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_typing
2855 2011-02-01 23:17:53 <andrew12^mac> ftr
2856 2011-02-01 23:18:05 <andrew12^mac> its fun confusing people
2857 2011-02-01 23:18:15 <andrew12^mac> making them be like 'why did you just say that'
2858 2011-02-01 23:19:29 <noagendamarket> it seems dodgy that he said 'withdraw to paypal"
2859 2011-02-01 23:19:41 <ArtForz> no
2860 2011-02-01 23:19:48 <noagendamarket> considering mt gox cant do that
2861 2011-02-01 23:19:52 <ArtForz> thats how LR withdrawals show up in mtgox history
2862 2011-02-01 23:20:07 <noagendamarket> I guess I dont use LR
2863 2011-02-01 23:20:09 <andrew12^mac> noagendamarket: apparently mtgox doesn't know the difference between paypal and liberty reserve ;)
2864 2011-02-01 23:20:14 <noagendamarket> lmao
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2866 2011-02-01 23:21:09 <ArtForz> and it actually says "Withdraw Paypal"
2867 2011-02-01 23:21:10 <noagendamarket> so whos going to build an open source mt gox?
2868 2011-02-01 23:21:18 <ArtForz> davout?
2869 2011-02-01 23:21:28 <ArtForz> he open sourced BC already
2870 2011-02-01 23:21:34 <altamic> indeed
2871 2011-02-01 23:22:13 <altamic> davout is doing an excellent work
2872 2011-02-01 23:22:17 <slush> anybody knows how many btcs was stolen?
2873 2011-02-01 23:22:25 <sipa> do i see 0.8 EUR trades at BC :o ?
2874 2011-02-01 23:22:33 <ArtForz> yup
2875 2011-02-01 23:23:08 * sipa keeps mining!
2876 2011-02-01 23:23:14 <nanotube> yea, we've passed dollar-parity. next target: eur parity.
2877 2011-02-01 23:23:45 <ArtForz> very low volume though
2878 2011-02-01 23:23:56 <sipa> next target: Radeon HD 5970 parity!
2879 2011-02-01 23:24:12 <citizen> haha
2880 2011-02-01 23:24:18 <ArtForz> 60 @ 0.8, 10 @ 0.7
2881 2011-02-01 23:24:26 <sipa> meh :)
2882 2011-02-01 23:24:36 <ArtForz> odd parity
2883 2011-02-01 23:24:48 <sipa> haha
2884 2011-02-01 23:24:58 <Kiba> nanotube: passed dollar parity?
2885 2011-02-01 23:25:20 <ArtForz> BC already did a while ago
2886 2011-02-01 23:25:39 <Kiba> how long ago, ArtForz ?
2887 2011-02-01 23:25:41 <davout> i really need to strengthen bc more than it already is
2888 2011-02-01 23:25:46 <sipa> 8 hours
2889 2011-02-01 23:25:47 <ArtForz> about yesterday I think
2890 2011-02-01 23:25:49 <nanotube> ;;calc 0.8 eur in usd
2891 2011-02-01 23:25:49 <ArtForz> BC | TRADE|LRUSD 1.29787 @ $1.0
2892 2011-02-01 23:25:49 <gribble> 0.8 euros = 1.1058 US dollars
2893 2011-02-01 23:25:59 <nanotube> Kiba: --^ see also that.
2894 2011-02-01 23:26:00 <nanotube> heh
2895 2011-02-01 23:26:22 <Kiba> bc is sure having a hard time against mtgox
2896 2011-02-01 23:26:25 <ArtForz> and yes, thats not quite 1.3 BTC traded @ LR$1
2897 2011-02-01 23:26:29 <davout> i don't get updated on bitcoin charts since ichanged my API
2898 2011-02-01 23:26:44 <bitanarchy> Is there a history file of #bitcoin-market?
2899 2011-02-01 23:27:01 * davout will whitelist every fucking attribute thats user submitted
2900 2011-02-01 23:27:06 <sipa> i can put the log online if you like
2901 2011-02-01 23:27:08 <Kiba> ?
2902 2011-02-01 23:27:19 <nanotube> bitanarchy: there is historical trade data available on bitcoinwatch.com
2903 2011-02-01 23:27:23 <jgarzik> python multi-thread question: in main thread, I set up database connection with "db = sqlite3.connect(fn)" separate, worker threads use 'db' object. Do I need to wrap all db accesses inside a Lock?
2904 2011-02-01 23:27:24 <sipa> but maybe nanotube has something gribble generates?
2905 2011-02-01 23:27:25 <nanotube> also possibly on bitcoincharts.com
2906 2011-02-01 23:27:25 <sipa> ok
2907 2011-02-01 23:27:39 <jgarzik> python threading docs leave a lot to be desired
2908 2011-02-01 23:27:44 <andrew12^mac> erm
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2910 2011-02-01 23:27:49 <davout> sipa: just read your comment about 5970 parity XD
2911 2011-02-01 23:27:50 <ArtForz> yeah... python threading is weird
2912 2011-02-01 23:27:57 <ArtForz> mainly because python really isn't threaded
2913 2011-02-01 23:28:17 <nanotube> jgarzik: anything in particular troubling you?
2914 2011-02-01 23:28:28 <davout> green threads ftw
2915 2011-02-01 23:28:31 <donpdonp> jgarzik: http://www.sqlite.org/threadsafe.html may help
2916 2011-02-01 23:28:32 <ArtForz> the interpreter is basically single threaded, see the Global Interpreter Lock
2917 2011-02-01 23:28:33 <jgarzik> nanotube: the above question
2918 2011-02-01 23:29:12 <nanotube> jgarzik: oh missed that. heh.
2919 2011-02-01 23:29:13 <jgarzik> nanotube: I have 'db' created in main thread. worker threads want to do "cursor = db.cursor() ; cursor.execute(...)"
2920 2011-02-01 23:29:20 <jgarzik> how to lock?
2921 2011-02-01 23:29:31 <jgarzik> with GIL, no lock needed?
2922 2011-02-01 23:29:35 <ArtForz> not sure
2923 2011-02-01 23:29:41 <Kiba> jgarzik: so, are you going to get pastecoin back up?
2924 2011-02-01 23:29:41 <nanotube> jgarzik: iirc sqlite3 is threadsafe.
2925 2011-02-01 23:29:58 <jgarzik> nanotube: in C, sqlite is threadsafe as long as you use separate db connections
2926 2011-02-01 23:30:04 <jgarzik> for each thread
2927 2011-02-01 23:30:10 <andrew12^mac> is there a git somewhere with all of the little extra patches (getblockbycount, listtransactions, listaddresses, jsonp, etc)?
2928 2011-02-01 23:30:34 <ArtForz> hurrrm, I'd either use seperate connections or wrap it in a lock just to be sure
2929 2011-02-01 23:30:44 <jgarzik> Kiba: yes, I have contracted a programmer to work on a new site that will enable pastecoin++
2930 2011-02-01 23:31:00 <ArtForz> btw, for lock stuff, check out the with statement
2931 2011-02-01 23:31:01 <sipa> andrew12^mac: https://github.com/gavinandresen/bitcoin-git/
2932 2011-02-01 23:31:03 <ArtForz> useful as hell
2933 2011-02-01 23:31:08 <andrew12^mac> sipa: does that have everything?
2934 2011-02-01 23:31:15 <sipa> not sure, i doubt it
2935 2011-02-01 23:31:17 <sipa> but it has a lot
2936 2011-02-01 23:31:18 <andrew12^mac> heh
2937 2011-02-01 23:31:32 <Kiba> jgarzik: sound exciting. When it will be done?
2938 2011-02-01 23:31:34 <andrew12^mac> pretty sure that just matches bitcoin/bitcoin
2939 2011-02-01 23:31:37 <ArtForz> basically saves a shitload of lock.acquire(); try: ... finally: lock.release()
2940 2011-02-01 23:31:47 <jgarzik> Kiba: 1.8 weeks is their deadline
2941 2011-02-01 23:31:51 <sipa> andrew12^mac: look at the branches
2942 2011-02-01 23:32:01 <Kiba> you should have contacted me to work on your site ;)
2943 2011-02-01 23:32:03 <Kiba> but anyway
2944 2011-02-01 23:32:08 <andrew12^mac> the master branch is gone
2945 2011-02-01 23:32:12 <Kiba> I been procrasting for 12 hours + now
2946 2011-02-01 23:32:14 <ArtForz> instead you just have a block of with lock: ...
2947 2011-02-01 23:32:15 <Kiba> bad Kiba
2948 2011-02-01 23:32:31 <nanotube> jgarzik: mm not 100% sure, but i never had any problems doing multithreaded access via the same db connection.
2949 2011-02-01 23:32:37 <ArtForz> work is failure to efficiently procrastinate.
2950 2011-02-01 23:32:48 <Kiba> I disagree
2951 2011-02-01 23:33:01 <sipa> reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
2952 2011-02-01 23:33:10 <andrew12^mac> haha
2953 2011-02-01 23:33:19 <jgarzik> this is for the pool; I think 120 database opens/second would get expensive
2954 2011-02-01 23:33:23 <ArtForz> lol
2955 2011-02-01 23:33:33 <nanotube> jgarzik: http://www.sqlite.org/faq.html#q6
2956 2011-02-01 23:33:36 <jgarzik> so I'll try for lock
2957 2011-02-01 23:33:37 <nanotube> jgarzik: that says, you should be fine.
2958 2011-02-01 23:34:40 <ArtForz> but why are you using threads?
2959 2011-02-01 23:35:01 <jgarzik> BaseHTTPServer has all sorts of annoying pauses
2960 2011-02-01 23:35:04 <andrew12^mac> heh
2961 2011-02-01 23:35:04 <andrew12^mac> http://qdb.us/7960
2962 2011-02-01 23:35:24 <ArtForz> yep
2963 2011-02-01 23:35:32 <andrew12^mac> jgarzik: how about memcached?
2964 2011-02-01 23:35:35 <jgarzik> setting timeouts helps somewhat, but people are seeing connection timeouts and other stuff from time to time
2965 2011-02-01 23:36:12 <andrew12^mac> memcached would probably make pools significantly faster
2966 2011-02-01 23:36:18 <ArtForz> iirc theres a version of BaseHttpServer based on top of asyncore
2967 2011-02-01 23:36:19 <jgarzik> ThreadingMixIn is bloody overkill -- one thread per connection -- but OTOH it's quite easy and the machine can handle it just fine
2968 2011-02-01 23:36:51 <jgarzik> class ThreadedHTTPServer(ThreadingMixIn, HTTPServer):
2969 2011-02-01 23:36:51 <jgarzik> """Handle requests in a separate thread."""
2970 2011-02-01 23:36:56 <ArtForz> yea
2971 2011-02-01 23:37:11 <ArtForz> theres threading and subprocess mixins
2972 2011-02-01 23:37:42 <ArtForz> *forking mixin
2973 2011-02-01 23:37:42 <jgarzik> thread-per-connection is a sledgehammer, but it should solve problems that people are reporting
2974 2011-02-01 23:38:29 <jgarzik> ideal is pre-fork model. i'm sure a python programmer somewhere has done that; but ya can't beat two lines of code.
2975 2011-02-01 23:39:25 <ArtForz> well, a framework like CherryPy is the easiest way
2976 2011-02-01 23:39:49 <andrew12^mac> class ???(Bitcoin, USD):
2977 2011-02-01 23:40:45 <ArtForz> btw, that quote is pretty damn old
2978 2011-02-01 23:41:02 citizen is now known as citiz3n
2979 2011-02-01 23:41:05 <nanotube> jgarzik: btw, pxgau is now operational on bc.
2980 2011-02-01 23:41:16 <ArtForz> iirc we were implementing a SYN TCP portscanner on win95
2981 2011-02-01 23:41:53 <jgarzik> nanotube: yep :) I donated 2 GAU to the effort, and part of that was used in testing
2982 2011-02-01 23:42:06 <ArtForz> tiny problem: '95 didnt have a raw socket API...
2983 2011-02-01 23:43:37 <ArtForz> the final program bypassed winsock entirely and worked with ethernet frames
2984 2011-02-01 23:45:01 <nanotube> ArtForz: heh nice
2985 2011-02-01 23:45:10 <citiz3n> does anyone even use bitcoin-discussion
2986 2011-02-01 23:45:11 <nanotube> jgarzik: so i bet it's your ask, 1btc at 1 gau eh? :)
2987 2011-02-01 23:46:04 <nanotube> citiz3n: see my reply on that chan hehe
2988 2011-02-01 23:46:30 <andrew12^mac> hmm
2989 2011-02-01 23:47:11 <andrew12^mac> what is monitorreceived? (https://github.com/gavinandresen/bitcoin-git/tree/monitorreceived)
2990 2011-02-01 23:47:27 <jgarzik> andrew12^mac: a useful patch from gavin
2991 2011-02-01 23:47:34 <sipa> get a callback to a script for all received blocks or transactions
2992 2011-02-01 23:47:36 * sipa uses it
2993 2011-02-01 23:47:41 <jgarzik> andrew12^mac: async notification of new stuff
2994 2011-02-01 23:47:54 <andrew12^mac> oh
2995 2011-02-01 23:48:08 <davout> jgarzik: did you edit your post mentioning the bounty ? :D
2996 2011-02-01 23:49:05 <jgarzik> davout: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2990.msg43363#msg43363
2997 2011-02-01 23:50:31 <andrew12^mac> hm
2998 2011-02-01 23:50:40 * andrew12^mac feels git stupid
2999 2011-02-01 23:50:47 <andrew12^mac> how do i merge a branch from a remote?
3000 2011-02-01 23:50:52 <davout> jgarzik: hmm
3001 2011-02-01 23:52:19 <davout> jgarzik: i'd honestly rather have the BTC bounty paid and return the PGAU
3002 2011-02-01 23:52:22 <andrew12^mac> oh nevermind
3003 2011-02-01 23:52:28 * andrew12^mac can't sell gavin's last name
3004 2011-02-01 23:52:31 <andrew12^mac> spell**
3005 2011-02-01 23:52:38 <andrew12^mac> i can't spell spell either.
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3007 2011-02-01 23:55:19 <nevezen> hmmm, I guess selling eve online characters via marketplace isn't a good thing
3008 2011-02-01 23:55:41 <nevezen> posted an ad, the thread is gone. Oh well.