1 2011-02-02 00:00:01 <Kiba> ?
2 2011-02-02 00:02:00 <nanotube> nevezen: you sure it's gone?... maybe it's just scrolled off?
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6 2011-02-02 00:12:53 <slush> ;;bc,stats
7 2011-02-02 00:12:55 <gribble> Current Blocks: 105734 | Current Difficulty: 22012.4941572 | Next Difficulty At Block: 106847 | Next Difficulty In: 1113 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 23 hours, 34 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 24412.69921388
8 2011-02-02 00:19:30 <nanotube> mm another 2.5 k difficulty bump
9 2011-02-02 00:20:58 <ArtForz> probably quite a bit more
10 2011-02-02 00:21:11 <Necr0s> Is difficulty measured linearly?
11 2011-02-02 00:21:16 <ArtForz> yep
12 2011-02-02 00:21:25 <Necr0s> Like does 10,000 take twice as long as 5,000?
13 2011-02-02 00:21:30 <nanotube> ArtForz: well yea by the time the whole 2016-block chunk passes by, possibly 23k+
14 2011-02-02 00:21:35 <Necr0s> cool.
15 2011-02-02 00:22:24 <ArtForz> simple exponential extrapolation, ~27.5k
16 2011-02-02 00:23:27 <n0m4d> i believe it is somehow related to the # of zeros at the head of the hash being mined... which would make it exponential.
17 2011-02-02 00:23:35 <ArtForz> no
18 2011-02-02 00:23:47 <ArtForz> hash is checked for <= target
19 2011-02-02 00:23:56 <ArtForz> base target is 0xFFFF << 208
20 2011-02-02 00:24:05 <Kiba> how many blocks are we supposed to have?
21 2011-02-02 00:24:11 <ArtForz> difficulty is simply base_target / current_target
22 2011-02-02 00:24:15 <n0m4d> :) thanks Artforz!
23 2011-02-02 00:24:29 <Kiba> I seem to be stuck at 105726 blocks
24 2011-02-02 00:24:33 <Kiba> with only 5 connections
25 2011-02-02 00:24:37 <ArtForz> ;;bc,blocks
26 2011-02-02 00:24:37 <gribble> 105735
27 2011-02-02 00:25:13 <Kiba> if you have the clock set wrong, does that mean anything for confirmations?
28 2011-02-02 00:25:14 <ArtForz> same here
29 2011-02-02 00:25:15 <Necr0s> I haxxed my router to force my one bc instance to connect to my other local one so it wouldn't have to dl the whole chain from the internets.
30 2011-02-02 00:25:24 <Necr0s> Worked rather well, but was still slow to transfer.
31 2011-02-02 00:25:35 <Necr0s> Speaking of that...
32 2011-02-02 00:25:45 <Necr0s> Is that "chain" going to grow and grow forever?
33 2011-02-02 00:25:50 <ArtForz> yes
34 2011-02-02 00:25:58 <Necr0s> Like, is every transaction ever recorded in it?
35 2011-02-02 00:26:01 <ArtForz> yes
36 2011-02-02 00:26:06 <Necr0s> Hmm.
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38 2011-02-02 00:26:30 <Necr0s> I would hope the designers foresaw the problems involved with such a design...
39 2011-02-02 00:26:41 <ArtForz> transactions are organized in hash trees though, so we can drop branches containing spent transactions and only keep the tree hash
40 2011-02-02 00:27:05 <ArtForz> current client doesn't implement that yet
41 2011-02-02 00:27:12 <Necr0s> Is that "pruning" built-in to the, uh, spec?
42 2011-02-02 00:28:01 <ArtForz> iirc, yes
43 2011-02-02 00:28:23 <n0m4d> the whitepaper mentions merkel trees...
44 2011-02-02 00:28:28 <ArtForz> yep
45 2011-02-02 00:28:36 <ArtForz> merkle tree = binary hash tree
46 2011-02-02 00:28:57 <n0m4d> i was under the impression that it also implied that collapsing of nodes?
47 2011-02-02 00:29:18 <n0m4d> i hadn't gotten into the implementation of the tree yet... :)
48 2011-02-02 00:29:34 <ArtForz> so yes, spec already hints at that part
49 2011-02-02 00:30:48 <ArtForz> nobody bothered to implement it so far, mainly because introducing all that complexity when the whole chain is still only 70MB seems a bit overkill
50 2011-02-02 00:32:54 citiz3n is now known as citizen
51 2011-02-02 00:33:14 citizen is now known as citiz3n
52 2011-02-02 00:35:02 <jgarzik> is anybody testing pool.yyz.us using diablo's miner?
53 2011-02-02 00:35:09 <jgarzik> tcatm reported timeouts earlier
54 2011-02-02 00:36:13 <andrew12^mac> https://github.com/andrew12/bitcoin-git -- bitcoin/bitcoin with listtransactions and testnet_difficulty and monitorrecieved and portoption mered
55 2011-02-02 00:36:17 <andrew12^mac> merged*
56 2011-02-02 00:37:02 <andrew12^mac> conflicts are significantly annoying :P
57 2011-02-02 00:37:42 <andrew12^mac> also i havent tested it yet
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59 2011-02-02 00:38:21 <jgarzik> This is the pool source: http://yyz.us/bitcoin/poold.py
60 2011-02-02 00:38:43 <jgarzik> It is literally my first Python program, so attribute anything strange or dumb to pure ignorance.
61 2011-02-02 00:38:50 <andrew12^mac> hehe
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63 2011-02-02 00:39:20 <jgarzik> code suggestions welcomed
64 2011-02-02 00:39:51 <Kiba> my block download isn't moving
65 2011-02-02 00:39:53 <Kiba> what's going on?
66 2011-02-02 00:40:13 <Kiba> 105726
67 2011-02-02 00:40:16 <Kiba> blocks
68 2011-02-02 00:40:33 <ArtForz> tried restarting client?
69 2011-02-02 00:40:59 <Kiba> ArtForz: could it have anything to do with time not being set properly?
70 2011-02-02 00:41:05 <ArtForz> yes
71 2011-02-02 00:41:27 <ArtForz> client will ignore blocks >2h in the future
72 2011-02-02 00:41:45 <ArtForz> so if your time is set to yesterday... "whoops"
73 2011-02-02 00:42:00 <andrew12^mac> where's the getblockbycount patch?
74 2011-02-02 00:42:31 Kiba` has joined
75 2011-02-02 00:43:23 <andrew12^mac> nevermind
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77 2011-02-02 00:44:14 <nanotube> jgarzik: gplv-what? :)
78 2011-02-02 00:44:15 Kiba has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
79 2011-02-02 00:44:45 <nanotube> also given that it's a server-side program, the agpl may make more sense, if your goal is to ensure the sharing of future mods.
80 2011-02-02 00:45:03 * jgarzik doesn't have goals
81 2011-02-02 00:45:29 <andrew12^mac> hm
82 2011-02-02 00:45:35 <nanotube> when you license your sw, you have goals. :)
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85 2011-02-02 00:47:36 <nanotube> unless you pick a license at random... :)
86 2011-02-02 00:48:16 <slush> jgarzik: does your pool have any checks against double spending?
87 2011-02-02 00:50:08 mtgox has joined
88 2011-02-02 00:51:12 <ArtForz> btw, shorter version of checkzip(hdr): hdr is not None and 'gzip' in hdr
89 2011-02-02 00:53:26 <jgarzik> slush: it uses stock bitcoind
90 2011-02-02 00:53:37 <andrew12^mac> wee
91 2011-02-02 00:53:48 <slush> but you're counting shares, low-diff work
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93 2011-02-02 00:54:13 <ArtForz> or simply (hdr and 'gzip' in hdr) (None is always False, nonempty string is always True)
94 2011-02-02 00:54:35 * MT`AwAy pokes jgarzik
95 2011-02-02 00:54:41 <ArtForz> I personally prefer explicit "is not None" checks, easier to read
96 2011-02-02 00:55:07 altamic has quit (Quit: altamic)
97 2011-02-02 00:56:51 <jgarzik> ArtForz: "'gzip' in hdr" performs a string search?
98 2011-02-02 00:57:08 <andrew12^mac> ArtForz: plus it's good practice!
99 2011-02-02 00:57:14 <jgarzik> MT`AwAy: on pastecoin? see above what I wrote for Kiba
100 2011-02-02 00:57:15 <ArtForz> yep
101 2011-02-02 00:57:29 <ArtForz> str1 in str2 does a string search
102 2011-02-02 00:57:45 * jgarzik wants to RE "\bgzip\b" to match word boundaries, but that didn't work when gzip was at the end of the string for some reason
103 2011-02-02 00:58:21 <MT`AwAy> jgarzik: tl;dr
104 2011-02-02 00:58:22 <ArtForz> how are the different encodings seperated again?
105 2011-02-02 00:58:29 <ArtForz> whitespace or ; ?
106 2011-02-02 00:58:35 <jgarzik> comma
107 2011-02-02 00:58:50 <jgarzik> MT`AwAy: ?
108 2011-02-02 00:59:11 <MT`AwAy> jgarzik: I just woke up and you expect me to read all that log until I find your message to kiba?
109 2011-02-02 00:59:52 <jgarzik> MT`AwAy: I figured one could perform a buffer search for 'pastecoin', but no matter
110 2011-02-02 01:00:13 <Cusipzzz> lol
111 2011-02-02 01:00:16 <MT`AwAy> jgarzik: I'd need to cd in the log dir, find the right file and grep it
112 2011-02-02 01:00:27 <ArtForz> sec
113 2011-02-02 01:00:33 <jgarzik> MT`AwAy: <jgarzik> Kiba: yes, I have contracted a programmer to work on a new site that will enable pastecoin++ His deadline is 1.8 weeks from today.
114 2011-02-02 01:00:42 <MT`AwAy> ok
115 2011-02-02 01:00:57 <MT`AwAy> jgarzik: btw you should remember to renew the vps, or it'll expire (renewal is free, you just need to renew it)
116 2011-02-02 01:00:57 <ArtForz> "gzip" in (i.strip() for i in hdr.split(","))
117 2011-02-02 01:01:08 <MT`AwAy> (the idea is for me to know you're still alive and on the project)
118 2011-02-02 01:01:21 <jgarzik> MT`AwAy: ACK
119 2011-02-02 01:01:24 <ArtForz> actually the strip is superfluos
120 2011-02-02 01:01:33 <ArtForz> err... no it isnt
121 2011-02-02 01:01:35 <MT`AwAy> jgarzik: I did it today
122 2011-02-02 01:01:45 <jgarzik> tnx
123 2011-02-02 01:02:05 <ArtForz> splits hdr into multiple strings, strips leading+trailing witespace form each component, compares each component to "gzip2 with a exact match
124 2011-02-02 01:02:16 <ArtForz> *"gzip"
125 2011-02-02 01:02:50 <jgarzik> I'll think I'll just do gzip-in-hdr for now :) That matches current behavior
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127 2011-02-02 01:02:55 <jgarzik> \b should work though
128 2011-02-02 01:03:28 <ArtForz> iirc \b doesnt match start or end of string
129 2011-02-02 01:05:47 <andrew12^mac> hm
130 2011-02-02 01:05:55 <andrew12^mac> are you trying to do a regexp?
131 2011-02-02 01:06:08 <ArtForz> "now you got 2 problems"
132 2011-02-02 01:06:31 <andrew12^mac> because i'm pretty sure you want ^gzip$ as your regexp
133 2011-02-02 01:06:41 <andrew12^mac> ^ is start of string, $ is end of string
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136 2011-02-02 01:09:35 <Kiba> hi
137 2011-02-02 01:09:46 <Kiba> my bitcoin about page said 0.3.14
138 2011-02-02 01:10:14 <Kiba> clearly, I am running an ancient version of bitcoin
139 2011-02-02 01:10:59 <andrew12^mac> LOL
140 2011-02-02 01:13:16 <andrew12^mac> hmm
141 2011-02-02 01:14:17 <andrew12^mac> https://github.com/andrew12/bitcoin -- what my tree looks like after merging monitorrecieved... but it won't compile: http://codepad.org/r4Rsz63a
142 2011-02-02 01:16:15 <doublec> don't bother merging it - just check it out and use it. I don't think the branch is too old is it?
143 2011-02-02 01:17:36 <andrew12^mac> jan 7
144 2011-02-02 01:18:09 <jgarzik> andrew12^mac: no, "Accept-Encoding: deflate, gzip" is a common case
145 2011-02-02 01:18:27 <jgarzik> 'gzip' in hdr works
146 2011-02-02 01:18:50 <andrew12^mac> jgarzik: i don't even know what you're trying to do, so... :P
147 2011-02-02 01:19:22 <jgarzik> andrew12^mac: talking about checkzip() in http://yyz.us/bitcoin/poold.py
148 2011-02-02 01:22:05 <Kiba> ok
149 2011-02-02 01:22:09 <Kiba> I have zero connections
150 2011-02-02 01:22:13 <Kiba> for the moment
151 2011-02-02 01:22:29 <Necr0s> HA!
152 2011-02-02 01:22:40 <Necr0s> I fixed my remote miner problem.
153 2011-02-02 01:22:50 <Kiba> hmm
154 2011-02-02 01:23:04 <Necr0s> The cause being a nonexistent proxy server set in Windows's Internet Options.
155 2011-02-02 01:23:25 <Necr0s> Man, I can't believe I beat my head against that for so long.
156 2011-02-02 01:23:28 <Kiba> meanwhile, I am experiencing zero connections
157 2011-02-02 01:24:37 <andrew12^mac> lol
158 2011-02-02 01:24:46 <Necr0s> I only figured it out by using procmon.
159 2011-02-02 01:24:48 <Kiba> what's so funny?
160 2011-02-02 01:24:49 <andrew12^mac> Kiba: tried connecting directly to a node?
161 2011-02-02 01:24:58 <andrew12^mac> via -addnode
162 2011-02-02 01:25:04 <Necr0s> One of the last things I see it doing before it exits with an error is:
163 2011-02-02 01:25:04 <Necr0s> 12:22:19.2170638 AM poclbm.exe 4004 RegQueryValue HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings\ProxyEnable SUCCESS Type: REG_DWORD, Length: 4, Data: 1
164 2011-02-02 01:25:12 <Kiba> andrew12^mac: which node?
165 2011-02-02 01:25:17 <andrew12^mac> Kiba: any node
166 2011-02-02 01:25:19 <Necr0s> ...well that was ugly, but you get the idea.
167 2011-02-02 01:25:25 <Kiba> I don't know a node
168 2011-02-02 01:25:26 <Kiba> do you?
169 2011-02-02 01:25:36 <andrew12^mac> i'll have a node for you to connect to once this is done compiling
170 2011-02-02 01:25:59 <andrew12^mac> (assuming it works)
171 2011-02-02 01:26:00 <Necr0s> You can connect to my IRC IP. I have one running.
172 2011-02-02 01:26:05 <Necr0s> now
173 2011-02-02 01:26:40 <andrew12> i have one running here but i think i screwed up my port forwarding stuff
174 2011-02-02 01:26:59 <andrew12> well, my mom did
175 2011-02-02 01:27:50 <andrew12> took me 5 guesses to get my router's user/pass stuff right heh
176 2011-02-02 01:29:14 <andrew12> nope
177 2011-02-02 01:29:21 <andrew12> 192.168.0.24 is still my desktop's ip, and bitcoin is checked
178 2011-02-02 01:29:58 <andrew12> ...though the router+modem that i've got my main router hooked to isn't showing any clients
179 2011-02-02 01:30:01 <andrew12> yet i'm on the internet right now
180 2011-02-02 01:30:13 <andrew12> time to reboot it :P
181 2011-02-02 01:36:01 <andrew12^mac> or not
182 2011-02-02 01:36:08 <andrew12^mac> managed to get it working without rebooting it
183 2011-02-02 01:36:11 <andrew12^mac> at least i think its working
184 2011-02-02 01:37:07 <andrew12^mac> try adding 71.166.130.45 as a node and lemme know if it works
185 2011-02-02 01:37:39 <andrew12> while i idly wait to see if the connections number goes up
186 2011-02-02 01:39:50 <necrodearia> mtgox, http://code.google.com/p/kippo/ maybe you can set this up in relation to mtgox.com? ^_^
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189 2011-02-02 01:41:05 <jrabbit> necrodearia: lol
190 2011-02-02 01:41:10 <jrabbit> why would thatr be needed?
191 2011-02-02 01:41:13 <andrew12^mac> heh
192 2011-02-02 01:41:35 <necrodearia> Maybe set up a fake bitcoin daemon to be accessible ^_^
193 2011-02-02 01:41:46 <noagendamarket> lol
194 2011-02-02 01:43:15 <Kiba> it seem that I have no connections at all
195 2011-02-02 01:44:10 <noagendamarket> they might get excited when they think theyve got over 9000 bitcoins but it turns out they didnt we can point and l;augh
196 2011-02-02 01:45:52 <Kiba> It seem that my bitcoin client is not connecting to anybody
197 2011-02-02 01:45:54 * Kiba wonders why
198 2011-02-02 01:48:28 <andrew12^mac> Kiba: did you try connecting to 71.166.130.45?
199 2011-02-02 01:48:40 <andrew12^mac> (my ip, still no idea if it works)
200 2011-02-02 01:49:16 <andrew12> it must work
201 2011-02-02 01:49:21 <andrew12> 66 connections :P
202 2011-02-02 01:49:27 <andrew12> 67
203 2011-02-02 01:50:34 <Kiba> bitcoin -addnode 71.166.130.45
204 2011-02-02 01:50:34 <Kiba> error: couldn't connect to server
205 2011-02-02 01:50:46 <newsham> http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/x/mtgox/
206 2011-02-02 01:50:50 <newsham> goofin off w/ html5.
207 2011-02-02 01:51:13 <andrew12^mac> ooh
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209 2011-02-02 01:51:23 <newsham> updates in realtime.
210 2011-02-02 01:51:35 <andrew12^mac> newsham: make the columns on the right side be centered at the @
211 2011-02-02 01:51:38 <slush> newsham: does not work in ff
212 2011-02-02 01:51:55 <andrew12^mac> works in chrome
213 2011-02-02 01:52:16 <newsham> slush: whats error console say? i can prob fix
214 2011-02-02 01:52:23 <newsham> dont have ffox handy here at the moment though
215 2011-02-02 01:52:50 <slush> newsham: heh, websocket is not defined
216 2011-02-02 01:52:57 <slush> probably cannot be solved easily ;)
217 2011-02-02 01:53:06 <newsham> oh.. heh :)
218 2011-02-02 01:53:09 <newsham> run in chrome ;)
219 2011-02-02 01:53:20 <andrew12^mac> no errors in chrome :P
220 2011-02-02 01:53:24 <slush> btw what is on mtgox.com:8080?
221 2011-02-02 01:53:35 <newsham> it streams updates over webscoket
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223 2011-02-02 01:53:50 <slush> how so? Some new feature?
224 2011-02-02 01:53:56 <newsham> in chrome javascript console you can check out the "lastmsg' variable to see whats in it
225 2011-02-02 01:54:00 <slush> I know only trade api
226 2011-02-02 01:54:13 <newsham> it passes over some json data, server push instead of client pull
227 2011-02-02 01:54:15 <slush> newsham: you are connected to mtgox somehow?
228 2011-02-02 01:54:23 <newsham> no, i emailed asking
229 2011-02-02 01:54:25 <newsham> about streaming
230 2011-02-02 01:54:29 <slush> wow, nice!
231 2011-02-02 01:54:48 <slush> so it is new experimental feature
232 2011-02-02 01:54:53 <newsham> arent there some recent ffox's with websocket yet?
233 2011-02-02 01:55:52 <slush> don't know
234 2011-02-02 01:56:23 <doublec> websockets worked in firefox 4 but have been disabled
235 2011-02-02 01:56:27 <doublec> for security reasons
236 2011-02-02 01:56:34 <doublec> chrome is disabling theire support too
237 2011-02-02 01:56:54 <andrew12^mac> probably because of xps
238 2011-02-02 01:57:08 <doublec> you can enable it in firefox 4 by going into about:config
239 2011-02-02 01:57:16 <doublec> and setting network.websocket.enabled to true
240 2011-02-02 01:57:49 <doublec> and network.websocket.override-security-block to true
241 2011-02-02 01:57:54 <andrew12^mac> someone should write a javascript miner :P
242 2011-02-02 01:58:04 <doublec> see here: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/WebSockets
243 2011-02-02 01:58:06 <newsham> yah i've heard people say that a few times
244 2011-02-02 01:58:23 <newsham> so that shady people can steal js cpu time while you sit on web pages
245 2011-02-02 01:58:29 <newsham> as if theres not enough shadiness on the interwebs already
246 2011-02-02 01:58:54 <doublec> this is a post about the issues: http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/2010/12/disabling-websockets-for-firefox-4/
247 2011-02-02 01:59:20 <andrew12^mac> how about node.js? :p
248 2011-02-02 01:59:25 <slush> andrew12 flash miner would be better
249 2011-02-02 01:59:32 <slush> new flash has also limited GPU support...
250 2011-02-02 01:59:36 <andrew12^mac> heh
251 2011-02-02 01:59:59 <andrew12^mac> hmm
252 2011-02-02 02:01:13 <andrew12^mac> slush: if someone were to call getwork repeatedly with the same data on your pool (hash woudl be the same) would it count as a share still? that'd probably be an easy way for someone to get tons of free shares if not
253 2011-02-02 02:01:18 <andrew12^mac> er if so*
254 2011-02-02 02:01:19 <Necr0s> hmm indeed
255 2011-02-02 02:01:53 <slush> andrew12 hmm, what do you think?
256 2011-02-02 02:01:56 <Necr0s> So, uh, tell me a bit about this RPC interface.
257 2011-02-02 02:01:59 <ArtForz> dude, if it's THAT obvious, someone probably already thought about it
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259 2011-02-02 02:02:04 <slush> I mean - you really think there is SUCH hole? :)
260 2011-02-02 02:02:11 <andrew12^mac> slush: I have no idea :P
261 2011-02-02 02:02:38 <Necr0s> Specifically, how important is it to have a non-guessable password for it if you have it exposed to the internets at large for some reason?
262 2011-02-02 02:03:02 <andrew12^mac> newsham: very?
263 2011-02-02 02:03:13 <newsham> ?
264 2011-02-02 02:03:18 <andrew12^mac> Necr0s**
265 2011-02-02 02:03:20 <andrew12^mac> sorry newsham :P
266 2011-02-02 02:03:23 <newsham> np
267 2011-02-02 02:03:32 <Necr0s> I guess there wouldn't be an option to use a password if it weren't.
268 2011-02-02 02:03:49 <andrew12^mac> hehe
269 2011-02-02 02:04:02 <Necr0s> What kind of things could someone do to me using it? Steal my coins?
270 2011-02-02 02:04:15 <andrew12^mac> of course
271 2011-02-02 02:04:32 <andrew12^mac> that's the point-- to be able to send coins
272 2011-02-02 02:04:38 <andrew12^mac> via an api
273 2011-02-02 02:04:41 <Necr0s> 'k. I'll keep that in mind.
274 2011-02-02 02:04:48 <andrew12^mac> read this: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/API_tutorial_(JSON-RPC)
275 2011-02-02 02:04:52 <Necr0s> The only use I'm familiar with is the getwork thing for remote miners.
276 2011-02-02 02:05:09 <Necr0s> That looks like just the ticket.
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278 2011-02-02 02:05:21 <newsham> you can use json to set up xfers. also with patch you can use it to fetch info about the block chain
279 2011-02-02 02:05:29 <newsham> ie. history of xactions and difficulty
280 2011-02-02 02:05:52 <andrew12^mac> why is rpc.cpp taking forever to compile
281 2011-02-02 02:06:24 * andrew12^mac does make with -j2
282 2011-02-02 02:06:29 <newsham> you have billyrubins in your cpu
283 2011-02-02 02:06:49 <andrew12^mac> not my cpu :P
284 2011-02-02 02:06:55 <andrew12^mac> its on a vps
285 2011-02-02 02:07:58 <andrew12^mac> Necr0s: you might also want https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_calls_list
286 2011-02-02 02:11:18 Shfork has joined
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288 2011-02-02 02:13:35 <newsham> if anyone plays with the mtgox graph stuff (its all .js so you have all the src codes already) and has improvements or ideas, let me know
289 2011-02-02 02:14:13 <Kiba> yeah biatch!
290 2011-02-02 02:14:19 Shfork has joined
291 2011-02-02 02:14:24 <Kiba> I now have 707.67 BTC!
292 2011-02-02 02:16:01 <andrew12^mac> !
293 2011-02-02 02:16:10 <Cusipzzz> how many is that in Tonal? /ducks
294 2011-02-02 02:16:18 * Kiba shrugs
295 2011-02-02 02:16:28 <andrew12^mac> 0, because tonal is irrelevent
296 2011-02-02 02:16:41 <andrew12^mac> *ducks*
297 2011-02-02 02:16:58 <Cusipzzz> don't think he's here...we can stop /ducking
298 2011-02-02 02:19:37 <MT`AwAy> you mean luke-jr ?
299 2011-02-02 02:19:46 <Cusipzzz> ya
300 2011-02-02 02:19:48 <andrew12^mac> MT`AwAy: SSSSHHHHHH!
301 2011-02-02 02:19:50 <MT`AwAy> :D
302 2011-02-02 02:19:53 <Cusipzzz> ohboy
303 2011-02-02 02:19:54 <Cusipzzz> lol
304 2011-02-02 02:22:10 * luke-jr glares at andrew12^mac
305 2011-02-02 02:22:36 <doublec> I don't think luke-jr likes the tone of this discussion...
306 2011-02-02 02:22:51 * Cusipzzz listens to some Tone-Loc
307 2011-02-02 02:22:52 <luke-jr> fwiw, Kiba has 107909.î§î§î§ TBC
308 2011-02-02 02:23:16 <doublec> does tonal use a different font? I can't see the numbers to the right of the decimal
309 2011-02-02 02:23:30 <andrew12^mac> hm
310 2011-02-02 02:23:44 <andrew12^mac> idling at 0%
311 2011-02-02 02:23:47 <andrew12^mac> gcc is*
312 2011-02-02 02:24:01 <luke-jr> doublec: it has 6 non-Arabic digits
313 2011-02-02 02:24:16 <andrew12^mac> and i htop under S it says D instead of S or R
314 2011-02-02 02:24:17 <doublec> i see
315 2011-02-02 02:24:32 <andrew12^mac> eating like 72% CPU
316 2011-02-02 02:24:36 <MT`AwAy> I see [23db][23d3][23dc]
317 2011-02-02 02:24:37 <andrew12^mac> RAM**
318 2011-02-02 02:24:38 <Kiba> I feel like a very rich man sometime
319 2011-02-02 02:24:42 <Cusipzzz> batshit crazy imo ;)
320 2011-02-02 02:24:44 <Kiba> but I still need to earn my 2100 BTC!
321 2011-02-02 02:24:48 <luke-jr> doublec: minimal font with just the Tonal digits: http://luke.dashjr.org/education/tonal/glyphs/fonts/Luxi/LuxiTonal.ttf
322 2011-02-02 02:24:56 <molecular> E9D8 E909 E9DC
323 2011-02-02 02:25:06 <luke-jr> Kiba: you have over 10 bong-bitcoins!
324 2011-02-02 02:25:11 <molecular> but it's very small might have misread
325 2011-02-02 02:25:25 <MT`AwAy> ah
326 2011-02-02 02:25:27 <MT`AwAy> E9DB
327 2011-02-02 02:25:33 * MT`AwAy made font bigger
328 2011-02-02 02:25:44 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: weird, it should be E9Dx
329 2011-02-02 02:25:53 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, yeah, font was too small
330 2011-02-02 02:25:55 <luke-jr> the 'x' you can treat as a hexadecimal digit ;)
331 2011-02-02 02:26:11 <luke-jr> and note that the Tonal '9' has a hexadecimal equivalent of 'A'
332 2011-02-02 02:26:48 <luke-jr> (really, Tonal '9' should be E9DA, but I didn't feel like having the same symbol twice on my kb)
333 2011-02-02 02:26:51 <andrew12^mac> any idea why g++ would just idle?
334 2011-02-02 02:27:22 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/education/tonal/glyphs/tonal-table.png <-- bitmap of what each Tonal character looks like
335 2011-02-02 02:27:34 <MT`AwAy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hexadecimal_compass_by_Nystrom.jpg <- looking at this makes things easier to understand (ie 1 looks like 15, 2 looks like 14, etc)
336 2011-02-02 02:27:49 sabalaba has joined
337 2011-02-02 02:29:42 * luke-jr should start a UTUG -- Universal Tonal User Group :P
338 2011-02-02 02:30:45 <Kiba> noagendamarket: YO YO YO YO YO YO YO YO YO YO YO YO
339 2011-02-02 02:30:59 <Kiba> noagendamarket: you need to talk to chris200x9 about your witcoin ads
340 2011-02-02 02:31:09 * MT`AwAy notes: witcoin
341 2011-02-02 02:31:16 <MT`AwAy> (sounds like a good idea)
342 2011-02-02 02:33:26 <luke-jr> ##Tonal if anyone wants to join UTUG :P
343 2011-02-02 02:33:42 <Kiba> only luke-jr is talking about tonal bitcoin
344 2011-02-02 02:33:52 <luke-jr> Kiba: ?
345 2011-02-02 02:34:07 <Kiba> you don't even have a tonal fan club!
346 2011-02-02 02:34:33 <luke-jr> now I do1
347 2011-02-02 02:34:34 <luke-jr> !
348 2011-02-02 02:34:44 <luke-jr> hopefully I'm not overlapping with someone else XD
349 2011-02-02 02:34:45 <Kiba> and it doesn't include you
350 2011-02-02 02:35:18 <luke-jr> andrew12^mac: no u, mac luser
351 2011-02-02 02:35:35 <luke-jr> andrew12^mac: aren't you supposed to *think different*? huh?
352 2011-02-02 02:35:35 <andrew12^mac> macs > tonal
353 2011-02-02 02:35:45 <luke-jr> Macs < *
354 2011-02-02 02:35:52 <andrew12^mac> luke-jr: i'll think different from what you think
355 2011-02-02 02:35:53 <andrew12^mac> :P
356 2011-02-02 02:35:55 <luke-jr> even Windows beats Mac, and I hate Windows :P
357 2011-02-02 02:36:31 <ArtForz> macs suck
358 2011-02-02 02:36:49 <andrew12^mac> argue argue argue
359 2011-02-02 02:36:53 <ArtForz> OSX always sucked, but at least older macs had decent hardware
360 2011-02-02 02:36:59 <luke-jr> ArtForz++
361 2011-02-02 02:37:10 <luke-jr> I would have bought PowerPC Macs for the hardware and put Linux on
362 2011-02-02 02:37:14 <andrew12^mac> argue argue argue!
363 2011-02-02 02:37:15 <luke-jr> but now it's all the same old Intel crap
364 2011-02-02 02:37:18 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, adding trolls to the discussion will not help people switching to tonal
365 2011-02-02 02:37:31 <luke-jr> andrew12^mac is the one trolling :p
366 2011-02-02 02:37:45 <andrew12^mac> pretty sure we both are
367 2011-02-02 02:37:48 <andrew12^mac> nevertheless
368 2011-02-02 02:37:52 <luke-jr> you started it XD
369 2011-02-02 02:37:57 <andrew12^mac> 21:29:38 < luke-jr> andrew12^mac: no u, mac luser
370 2011-02-02 02:37:59 <andrew12^mac> well
371 2011-02-02 02:38:00 <andrew12^mac> i guess i did
372 2011-02-02 02:38:08 <MT`AwAy> one starts a troll, the other one feeds it
373 2011-02-02 02:38:09 <MT`AwAy> same thing
374 2011-02-02 02:38:11 <andrew12^mac> because i joined ##tonal and said tonal sux
375 2011-02-02 02:38:19 <ArtForz> so far had 3 imacs with bulging/dead caps on mainboard and in PSU in my family
376 2011-02-02 02:38:19 <luke-jr> [21:28:49] --> andrew12^mac has joined this channel (~andrew@unaffiliated/andrew12).[21:29:00] <andrew12^mac> TONAL SUCKS!
377 2011-02-02 02:39:05 <luke-jr> andrew12^mac: armistice? :P
378 2011-02-02 02:39:19 <ArtForz> with that kind of failure rate one might as well get a dell
379 2011-02-02 02:39:51 <MT`AwAy> ArtForz, I know a lot of people who are perfectly happy with macs, and never had much problem despite being computer illetrates
380 2011-02-02 02:40:05 <ArtForz> yes
381 2011-02-02 02:40:14 <MT`AwAy> apple made possible for those people to use computers, in this way they did something others have failed to do
382 2011-02-02 02:40:26 <luke-jr> it could have done it without being proprietary
383 2011-02-02 02:40:27 <ArtForz> thats why I try to get my computer-illiterate relatives on macs
384 2011-02-02 02:42:05 <ArtForz> playing tech support for immediate family is plenty
385 2011-02-02 02:42:27 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, when you're a company, you usually think about how you're going to eat (and release more product) before thinking of giving out all the stuff you created for free (anyway mac os is less proprietary than others like windows)
386 2011-02-02 02:42:55 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: proprietary != commercial
387 2011-02-02 02:43:01 <luke-jr> free != non-commercial
388 2011-02-02 02:43:05 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, you can't sell freedom
389 2011-02-02 02:43:15 <luke-jr> and Macs are significantly more proprietary than Intel/Windows
390 2011-02-02 02:43:15 <MT`AwAy> (not that some haven't tried)
391 2011-02-02 02:43:23 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: you can sell free products.
392 2011-02-02 02:43:58 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, give me the name of any company selling free products which became big enough to be considered a global company :)
393 2011-02-02 02:44:59 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: evil can always win over good when you evaluate ignoring good âº
394 2011-02-02 02:45:09 <MT`AwAy> anyway mac architecture is fully open, EFI and other things have published specs, and mac os is based on BSD. Apple contributes with stuff like webkit, has a lot of contributions to projects like gcc... I'd say they are way more "open" than, say, microsoft :p
395 2011-02-02 02:45:27 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, good doesn't feed you, and being evil brings more girls :p
396 2011-02-02 02:46:15 <luke-jr> robbing banks feeds you much cheaper
397 2011-02-02 02:46:34 <luke-jr> Darwin is a CLOSED fork of BSD
398 2011-02-02 02:46:37 <andrew12^mac> wtf
399 2011-02-02 02:46:48 <luke-jr> Apple only "contributes" WebKit because they legally have to
400 2011-02-02 02:46:54 <luke-jr> same w/ GCC
401 2011-02-02 02:46:59 <ArtForz> and a EULA forbidding you from *running* osx on non-apple branded hardware
402 2011-02-02 02:47:18 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, they "legally" have to?
403 2011-02-02 02:47:35 <MT`AwAy> like, they legally had to release webkit in the first place?
404 2011-02-02 02:47:49 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: they legally had to release the source, since they released the binary
405 2011-02-02 02:47:57 <andrew12^mac> why did g++ go to 79% ram and 1% cpu when it got to rpc.cpp?
406 2011-02-02 02:48:05 <luke-jr> and when they did, they did it in a way that made it impossible to merge back into KHTML
407 2011-02-02 02:48:15 <echelon> what's the current block?
408 2011-02-02 02:48:20 <echelon> count
409 2011-02-02 02:48:24 <ArtForz> not to mention macos really isn't based on BSD
410 2011-02-02 02:48:29 <andrew12^mac> ;;bc,blockcount
411 2011-02-02 02:48:29 <gribble> Error: "bc,blockcount" is not a valid command.
412 2011-02-02 02:48:32 <andrew12^mac> ;;bc,blocks
413 2011-02-02 02:48:32 opus_ has left ()
414 2011-02-02 02:48:33 <gribble> 105751
415 2011-02-02 02:48:39 <echelon> thanks
416 2011-02-02 02:48:42 <ArtForz> it's a mach microkernel hacked to hell with a BSD personality on top
417 2011-02-02 02:48:55 <andrew12^mac> thanks guys -_-
418 2011-02-02 02:49:12 <echelon> 38032 to go -_-
419 2011-02-02 02:49:57 <luke-jr> to put the nail in the contrast, Microsoft at least allows you to choose/build your hardware
420 2011-02-02 02:50:02 <luke-jr> Apple forces you to buy it from them
421 2011-02-02 02:50:07 <luke-jr> and has a very limited selection
422 2011-02-02 02:50:30 <ArtForz> yep
423 2011-02-02 02:51:01 <echelon> well that's how m$ can make a profit
424 2011-02-02 02:51:31 <ArtForz> ?
425 2011-02-02 02:51:37 <echelon> they don't have to worry about manufacturing so they just sell their licenses to vendors
426 2011-02-02 02:51:52 <ArtForz> I really wonder why apple is *selling* osx
427 2011-02-02 02:52:13 <echelon> osx is confined to apple hardware
428 2011-02-02 02:52:16 <ArtForz> exactly
429 2011-02-02 02:52:21 <echelon> ya
430 2011-02-02 02:52:22 <echelon> hmm
431 2011-02-02 02:52:22 <Kiba> well
432 2011-02-02 02:52:27 <Kiba> very exciting day eh?
433 2011-02-02 02:52:33 <ArtForz> = you have a $2000 dongle anyways
434 2011-02-02 02:52:34 <MT`AwAy> Apple has probably no intention to care about drivers for just any hardware which just cause instability and require a lot more work, instead they decided to limit the scope of usable hardware, I see no problem in this kind of choices
435 2011-02-02 02:53:30 <Necr0s> echelon, I beg to differ. ;)
436 2011-02-02 02:53:48 <echelon> :P
437 2011-02-02 02:53:56 andrew12^mac has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
438 2011-02-02 02:54:06 <MT`AwAy> anyway apple and microsoft both have a way to do thing I don't like
439 2011-02-02 02:54:10 <ArtForz> so?
440 2011-02-02 02:54:13 <Kiba> The Iphone is going to get smushed by android!
441 2011-02-02 02:54:17 <MT`AwAy> I'll release my own proprietary OS if I ever get the time to finish it
442 2011-02-02 02:54:54 <Necr0s> I've ended up running OS X on my desktop, Win7 on my HTPC, and Ubuntu on my servers.
443 2011-02-02 02:54:57 prax has joined
444 2011-02-02 02:54:59 <Necr0s> Whatever gets the job done, I say.
445 2011-02-02 02:55:30 <ArtForz> so to avoid hardware/driver problems, they *forbid users from running their software on non-approved devices*
446 2011-02-02 02:55:46 <ArtForz> it's simply to avoid another clone disaster
447 2011-02-02 02:55:46 <MT`AwAy> ArtForz, apple targets computer illetrates
448 2011-02-02 02:56:03 <Necr0s> I need to get cygwin installed and sshd going on win7 now.
449 2011-02-02 02:56:06 <ArtForz> = they're still a hardware company
450 2011-02-02 02:56:27 <Necr0s> Man, you would be amazed at the number of so-called illeterates out ther.
451 2011-02-02 02:56:39 <Kiba> ?
452 2011-02-02 02:56:48 <Necr0s> I would say that for WELL over half of the users out there, installing a program is beyond their capabilities.
453 2011-02-02 02:57:32 <newsham> i doubt android will smush iphone
454 2011-02-02 02:57:39 <newsham> i think they'll both have large market shares
455 2011-02-02 02:57:48 <Necr0s> Installing a program in iPhone, sure, but not on a desktop OS.
456 2011-02-02 02:58:27 <ArtForz> iirc android already passed iphone marketshare by quite a bit
457 2011-02-02 02:58:27 <Necr0s> Speaking of iPhone, has there been anything done in the way of bitcoin support on iOS?
458 2011-02-02 02:59:11 <Necr0s> Like say a simple app for connecting to a remote wallet and checking it's balance, and sending payments.
459 2011-02-02 02:59:21 <doublec> not that I'm aware of
460 2011-02-02 02:59:23 <Kiba> newsham: Android is top dog
461 2011-02-02 02:59:24 <Necr0s> yhmm
462 2011-02-02 02:59:56 <newsham> kiba: with a succinct and well reasoned argument like that I really dont know what to say.
463 2011-02-02 03:00:52 <MT`AwAy> what people choose and what is better, that's two different (and sometimes opposite) notions
464 2011-02-02 03:00:56 <ArtForz> how about "paying $299 to be able to actually run your software on your own device is a fucking joke"
465 2011-02-02 03:01:00 <newsham> http://7.mshcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/smartphone-os-nov2010-2.png
466 2011-02-02 03:01:34 <Kiba> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/01/android-beats-nokia-apple-rim-in-2010-but-firm-warns-about-2011.ars
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468 2011-02-02 03:02:48 <presence> anyone know what the ati 6970 stock does Mhash/s?
469 2011-02-02 03:03:06 <Kiba> 32.9% of the marketshare
470 2011-02-02 03:03:11 <Kiba> yeah baby!
471 2011-02-02 03:03:15 <Kiba> go open source!
472 2011-02-02 03:03:39 <ArtForz> ~310Mh
473 2011-02-02 03:03:49 <ArtForz> well, at least theoretically
474 2011-02-02 03:04:10 <ArtForz> prcatically you have to use SDK2.3 for 69xx, which sucks for OpenCL
475 2011-02-02 03:04:20 <presence> hmm, odd is the 6970 not 2x 6870?
476 2011-02-02 03:04:25 <ArtForz> no
477 2011-02-02 03:04:36 <ArtForz> ati did a name swaparoo
478 2011-02-02 03:04:40 <Necr0s> presence: http://pastebin.com/AvymGnMJ
479 2011-02-02 03:04:42 <presence> no consistency in model numbering
480 2011-02-02 03:04:44 <presence> lame!!!
481 2011-02-02 03:04:47 <ArtForz> 68xx is between 57xx and 58xx
482 2011-02-02 03:04:57 <ArtForz> 69xx is a bit above it's 58xx equivalent
483 2011-02-02 03:04:59 <Necr0s> A 5970 is the top card right now.
484 2011-02-02 03:05:03 <Necr0s> for mining
485 2011-02-02 03:05:05 <ArtForz> 5970 successor will be 6990
486 2011-02-02 03:05:15 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: I understand there are very good reasons for a driver certification process, but legal action to prevent your customers from doing as they wish?
487 2011-02-02 03:05:24 <Necr0s> Ppl speculate that it can't be a whole lot faster.
488 2011-02-02 03:05:56 <presence> you cant find a 5970 anywhere
489 2011-02-02 03:05:56 <ArtForz> Necr0s: I created that list
490 2011-02-02 03:05:58 <Necr0s> 'cus the 5970 already consumes the maximum 300W allowed by the PCIe spec, so any gains will have to come from something other than throwing more watts and chips at the problem.
491 2011-02-02 03:06:08 <Necr0s> Cool. It's been quite handy.
492 2011-02-02 03:06:08 <ArtForz> which will be a problem for 6990
493 2011-02-02 03:06:23 <ArtForz> 6950/70 is less efficient than 5850/70 for mining
494 2011-02-02 03:06:26 <Necr0s> I just got a 5970 from eGay.
495 2011-02-02 03:06:44 <presence> why are your gtx260 numbers so low?
496 2011-02-02 03:06:46 <luke-jr> Kiba: do you GPU mine?
497 2011-02-02 03:06:53 <luke-jr> presence: because as usual nVidia SUCKS
498 2011-02-02 03:07:05 <presence> No, I mean, I get 2x that on my 260s
499 2011-02-02 03:07:12 <ArtForz> and rumor sys AMD used quite aggressive PowerTune limits to keep 6990 < 300W with relatively high clocks
500 2011-02-02 03:07:20 <ArtForz> ?
501 2011-02-02 03:07:29 <DiabloD3> heh, powertune is funny
502 2011-02-02 03:07:39 <DiabloD3> they can shut off parts of the chip not in use
503 2011-02-02 03:07:44 <presence> I get ~64M/sec on my gtx260s
504 2011-02-02 03:07:53 <presence> two of them, same result
505 2011-02-02 03:07:55 <Necr0s> Maybe there have been some optimizations in the software or drivers or other layers since that data was collected.
506 2011-02-02 03:07:55 <ArtForz> thats... weird
507 2011-02-02 03:07:55 <DiabloD3> like, arent using a lot of textures? texture units shut off or some shit
508 2011-02-02 03:08:09 <ArtForz> 260s shouldnt be that fast
509 2011-02-02 03:08:10 <presence> rpcminer-cuda.exe, no special parms
510 2011-02-02 03:08:13 <presence> sorry
511 2011-02-02 03:08:16 <presence> 460
512 2011-02-02 03:08:16 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, the most obvious reason would be to avoid extra support cost. I'd guess Apple support only has diagnostic & resolution scenarii for Apple hardware. Anyway that's just speculations, only Apple really knows the end of the story
513 2011-02-02 03:08:28 <presence> I looked in the wrong row
514 2011-02-02 03:08:30 <presence> grr
515 2011-02-02 03:08:37 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: Apple provides support?
516 2011-02-02 03:08:40 <presence> its close
517 2011-02-02 03:09:03 <luke-jr> even if so, no reason they'd need to support non-Apple computers
518 2011-02-02 03:09:07 <ArtForz> yeah
519 2011-02-02 03:09:12 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, last time I had to call them to find what the fuck was wrong with a friend's computer, they did
520 2011-02-02 03:09:28 <ArtForz> those numbers are mostly theoretical and using a older non-released version of my OpenCL miner
521 2011-02-02 03:09:29 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, because customers are dumb and will not understand the difference
522 2011-02-02 03:09:57 <DiabloD3> presence: its slower than my miner I bet
523 2011-02-02 03:10:11 <presence> yours does java right?
524 2011-02-02 03:10:16 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: well, then they should at least put in the agreement that the *end user* can install it on other hardware legally, but they forfeit all support :P
525 2011-02-02 03:10:20 <presence> I wouldnt mind trying it, but it wasn't working
526 2011-02-02 03:10:33 <Necr0s> What does a miner spend 9x% of it's time doing?
527 2011-02-02 03:10:43 <Necr0s> It's hashing I guess....SHA-1?
528 2011-02-02 03:10:45 <ArtForz> nothing
529 2011-02-02 03:10:50 <presence> sha256x2 :D
530 2011-02-02 03:11:03 <ArtForz> GPU is busy doing double-sha256
531 2011-02-02 03:11:11 <Necr0s> hmm
532 2011-02-02 03:11:26 <ArtForz> meanwhile CPU sits there twiddling its thumbs
533 2011-02-02 03:11:28 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, end users would still call and try to get help, and even if the support staff finally understands the situation, you already lost 10 minutes of a support employee trying to understand what a guy wants.
534 2011-02-02 03:11:32 <Necr0s> Is there very much to them code-wise aside from the hashing itself and glue?
535 2011-02-02 03:11:34 <presence> diablo: are there windows binaries for diablo?
536 2011-02-02 03:11:40 <DiabloD3> presence: define "wasnt working"
537 2011-02-02 03:11:45 <ArtForz> not that much
538 2011-02-02 03:11:50 <presence> I couldnt get it working, java was being lame.
539 2011-02-02 03:11:53 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr, anyway apple's offer makes sense and is perfect for some kind of people. Except those people are not us, so let's just not buy macs and be fine.
540 2011-02-02 03:11:57 <Necr0s> Like in terms of an algorithm, use of the hashes...
541 2011-02-02 03:12:06 <Necr0s> hmm
542 2011-02-02 03:12:07 <ArtForz> my old OCL miner is ~550 lines of C
543 2011-02-02 03:12:12 <presence> but I didnt attempt to compile from source...I have visual studio...but didnt wont to fight it
544 2011-02-02 03:12:28 <DiabloD3> you dont have to compile from source, and you cant do it in visual studio anyhow
545 2011-02-02 03:12:28 <DiabloD3> its java.
546 2011-02-02 03:12:48 <DiabloD3> presence: what was the exact error? because it sounds like it was the famous "nvidia has shitty drivers" bug
547 2011-02-02 03:13:06 <presence> it was 10 days ago
548 2011-02-02 03:13:12 <presence> I can try again I guess
549 2011-02-02 03:13:13 <Necr0s> I wonder if an FPGA or an array thereof would be any good at this hashing thing.
550 2011-02-02 03:13:18 <presence> is github the only place to get it
551 2011-02-02 03:13:22 <Necr0s> I'm guessing not as good as some of these GPUs.
552 2011-02-02 03:13:24 <presence> or is there a zip of the stuff
553 2011-02-02 03:13:37 <DiabloD3> presence: see the forum thread, I link to a zip there.
554 2011-02-02 03:13:43 <ArtForz> Necr0s: did the math, efficiency-wise FPGA beats GPU by a nice margin
555 2011-02-02 03:13:54 <presence> when I threw double sha256 on my fpga board I got about 10M/sec
556 2011-02-02 03:13:58 <ArtForz> price/perf wise, lose. badly.
557 2011-02-02 03:14:00 <Necr0s> heh
558 2011-02-02 03:14:09 <ArtForz> what fpga board?
559 2011-02-02 03:14:15 <presence> spartan 3
560 2011-02-02 03:14:16 <Necr0s> I didn't have a specific one in mind.
561 2011-02-02 03:14:18 <presence> xilinx
562 2011-02-02 03:14:21 <Necr0s> oh
563 2011-02-02 03:14:28 <presence> it was ok
564 2011-02-02 03:14:32 <ArtForz> sounds about right
565 2011-02-02 03:14:33 <presence> but nothing to write home about
566 2011-02-02 03:14:40 <presence> have to have a bunch
567 2011-02-02 03:14:45 <presence> 8w though :D
568 2011-02-02 03:15:00 <ArtForz> a XC6SLX150 can get ~70Mh/s
569 2011-02-02 03:15:11 <ArtForz> using ~8W
570 2011-02-02 03:15:20 <presence> spartan 6?
571 2011-02-02 03:15:23 <ArtForz> yup
572 2011-02-02 03:15:27 <ArtForz> well, a -3 speed grade
573 2011-02-02 03:15:28 <presence> thats #$200 or so each
574 2011-02-02 03:15:32 <DiabloD3> presence: you have to use 260.x or later on nvidia, btw
575 2011-02-02 03:15:38 <presence> I have 266.
576 2011-02-02 03:15:42 <ArtForz> yea
577 2011-02-02 03:15:50 <ArtForz> about $180
578 2011-02-02 03:15:55 <presence> but I need a dev board :D
579 2011-02-02 03:16:01 <presence> Im lousy at soldering
580 2011-02-02 03:16:13 <DiabloD3> presence: yes, so you should have zero problem
581 2011-02-02 03:16:26 <presence> let me find out
582 2011-02-02 03:16:56 <presence> failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute
583 2011-02-02 03:16:56 <ArtForz> commercial solutions are way too expensive, iirc smth like $9k for 12x S6LX150-3
584 2011-02-02 03:17:33 molecular has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
585 2011-02-02 03:17:35 <presence> lemme create a batch file
586 2011-02-02 03:17:52 <ArtForz> but even with a decent run of custom boards you're stil looking at price/perf worse than 5970 by a factor of > 3
587 2011-02-02 03:18:12 <presence> it will only be worthwhile with a huge farm
588 2011-02-02 03:18:16 molecular has joined
589 2011-02-02 03:18:16 <presence> because power will be an issue
590 2011-02-02 03:18:45 <ArtForz> and with a huge farm FPGA makes no sense
591 2011-02-02 03:19:29 <ArtForz> did a few tests on various archs, S6 is about as good as it gets for efficiency and price/perf
592 2011-02-02 03:21:46 <presence> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/diablominer/Diabl
593 2011-02-02 03:21:49 <presence> oMiner/DiabloMiner
594 2011-02-02 03:21:52 <presence> Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: com.diablominer.DiabloMiner.DiabloM
595 2011-02-02 03:21:55 <presence> iner
596 2011-02-02 03:22:01 <luke-jr> UGH
597 2011-02-02 03:22:05 <ArtForz> S3 is too inefficient, Virtexes are WAY too expensive, Alteras offerings are just a bad joke
598 2011-02-02 03:22:07 <luke-jr> stupid Intel screwed up Sandy Bridge -.-
599 2011-02-02 03:22:15 <ArtForz> well, the southbridge
600 2011-02-02 03:22:17 mtgox has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
601 2011-02-02 03:22:36 <presence> you dont like the killswitch? :D
602 2011-02-02 03:22:47 <ArtForz> probably hired a few guys from VIA :P
603 2011-02-02 03:22:55 <luke-jr> <.<
604 2011-02-02 03:22:58 <ArtForz> KT133 anyone?
605 2011-02-02 03:23:13 <luke-jr> think I can get Gigabyte to let me pay my way to an upgrade while I exchange the mobo? <.<
606 2011-02-02 03:23:58 <ArtForz> = the (in)famous 686b southbridge
607 2011-02-02 03:24:36 <ArtForz> oh, and the bug wasn't limited to SB Live! cards
608 2011-02-02 03:25:04 <ArtForz> if anything hogged the PCI bus, the southbridge IDE controller corrupted data
609 2011-02-02 03:25:47 <ArtForz> VIAs reaction? "sucks to be you"
610 2011-02-02 03:25:52 brunner has joined
611 2011-02-02 03:26:10 <lfm> ArtForz: tried the ADL get fan speed RPM and it seems it isnt actually implemented at least for my 5770
612 2011-02-02 03:26:21 <DiabloD3> [10:16:05] <presence> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/diablominer/Diabl
613 2011-02-02 03:26:21 <DiabloD3> [10:16:08] <presence> oMiner/DiabloMiner
614 2011-02-02 03:26:21 <DiabloD3> [10:16:11] <presence> Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: com.diablominer.DiabloMiner.DiabloM
615 2011-02-02 03:26:21 <DiabloD3> [10:16:14] <presence> iner
616 2011-02-02 03:26:28 <DiabloD3> presence: because you didnt follow the directions in the thread.
617 2011-02-02 03:26:28 <ArtForz> most 5770s dont have fans w/ tach output
618 2011-02-02 03:26:42 <presence> let me look
619 2011-02-02 03:26:53 <DiabloD3> it gives you the exact command to run to run it on windows
620 2011-02-02 03:27:03 <presence> I got it from twitter not from the forum
621 2011-02-02 03:27:11 <presence> but Ill check the forum
622 2011-02-02 03:27:26 <DiabloD3> so, you'd use twitter over the official thread I started on the official bitcoin forums?
623 2011-02-02 03:27:30 * DiabloD3 is very confused
624 2011-02-02 03:27:42 <presence> I did a google search and picked the first one :D
625 2011-02-02 03:27:58 * DiabloD3 should DMCA twitter and google. Or something.
626 2011-02-02 03:28:19 <DiabloD3> huh, I type diablominer into google, I get the github url first, the fourm thread second
627 2011-02-02 03:29:27 <ArtForz> I get forum thread first, forum print page second, github third
628 2011-02-02 03:30:03 <xelister> I get forum first, donkey show second, github browser third
629 2011-02-02 03:30:12 <DiabloD3> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/DiabloMiner
630 2011-02-02 03:30:15 <DiabloD3> theres even a wiki page!
631 2011-02-02 03:30:17 Guest83336 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
632 2011-02-02 03:30:19 <ArtForz> = presence likes to click twitter links in google results. a lot. ;)
633 2011-02-02 03:30:31 <xelister> strange, tehy must started provigin localizing searches, shouldn't browser from mexico
634 2011-02-02 03:30:36 <presence> ok, got it
635 2011-02-02 03:30:44 andrew12^mac has joined
636 2011-02-02 03:30:46 <DiabloD3> I wonder when a wiki page appeared
637 2011-02-02 03:31:19 <ArtForz> 21:21, 23 January 2011
638 2011-02-02 03:31:25 <presence> wow, it really lags my machine
639 2011-02-02 03:31:41 <DiabloD3> presence: use -f 1000
640 2011-02-02 03:31:41 <presence> and it gets ~30Mh/s less :(
641 2011-02-02 03:31:49 <presence> ok the cli?
642 2011-02-02 03:31:55 <DiabloD3> yes, add it to the end
643 2011-02-02 03:32:04 <DiabloD3> nvidia's drivers are so shitty, opencl apps rape your desktop performance
644 2011-02-02 03:32:07 <DiabloD3> dont like it? buy ati.
645 2011-02-02 03:32:14 <presence> Im trying :D
646 2011-02-02 03:32:25 james has joined
647 2011-02-02 03:32:51 james is now known as Guest5888
648 2011-02-02 03:33:01 <DiabloD3> presence: btw, try fudging with -w... as far as I know, it does nothing on nvidia, and it needs to be a multiple of 32
649 2011-02-02 03:33:15 <DiabloD3> presence: btw, what card do you have?
650 2011-02-02 03:33:53 <newsham> dont diablo w/ teh nvidias
651 2011-02-02 03:34:13 <DiabloD3> newsham: well, for a lot of people, art's kernel on my miner is now the fastest thing out
652 2011-02-02 03:34:14 <presence> I have 2x gtx260
653 2011-02-02 03:34:26 <DiabloD3> presence: what speed do you get with mine after a few minutes?
654 2011-02-02 03:34:48 <presence> Let me let it run...but it honestly makes the windows ui unresponsive
655 2011-02-02 03:34:58 <DiabloD3> yeah, -f 1000 really should help
656 2011-02-02 03:35:08 <presence> I added it...same problem.
657 2011-02-02 03:35:15 <newsham> how do i use arts kernel on your iner for my nvidia card?
658 2011-02-02 03:35:17 <DiabloD3> but nvidia, and especially nvidia on windows, is broken. Im surprised no one has started a class action suite against nvidia
659 2011-02-02 03:35:17 <presence> unless it has to appear in front of -u
660 2011-02-02 03:35:25 <DiabloD3> newsham: use the newest version
661 2011-02-02 03:35:34 <DiabloD3> presence: nope, its not sensitive
662 2011-02-02 03:35:50 <presence> even using irc is greatly lagged...like back in the 1200bps days
663 2011-02-02 03:35:52 <DiabloD3> newsham: I dropped a hacked up m0 kernel for a hacked up art kernel :D
664 2011-02-02 03:35:59 <DiabloD3> presence: yeah, somehow Im not doubting that
665 2011-02-02 03:36:06 <DiabloD3> presence: nvidia does not care about customers
666 2011-02-02 03:36:13 <presence> rpcminer-cude doesnt cause the lag
667 2011-02-02 03:36:24 <DiabloD3> rpcminer-cuda doesnt try stuffing the cards either
668 2011-02-02 03:36:34 <presence> I can tell you that nvidia has shit drivers
669 2011-02-02 03:36:42 <presence> because my teslas should be awesome at this
670 2011-02-02 03:36:50 <presence> and they suck ass
671 2011-02-02 03:36:59 <DiabloD3> btw, if my math is right, two GTX260 should give you about 70 mhash/sec
672 2011-02-02 03:37:14 <ArtForz> I tink he said they're 460s
673 2011-02-02 03:37:16 <presence> with rpcminer-cuda.exe I get ~64M/sec each
674 2011-02-02 03:37:25 <presence> they are gtx460
675 2011-02-02 03:37:26 <DiabloD3> [10:28:33] <presence> I have 2x gtx260
676 2011-02-02 03:37:35 <presence> yeah
677 2011-02-02 03:37:47 <DiabloD3> so is it 260 or 460?
678 2011-02-02 03:37:48 <presence> I keep saying 260, but I mean 460
679 2011-02-02 03:38:00 <DiabloD3> you should be getting 136
680 2011-02-02 03:38:19 <presence> C:\Users\presence\Desktop\DiabloMiner>java -cp target\libs\*;target\DiabloMiner-
681 2011-02-02 03:38:22 <presence> 0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar -Djava.library.path=target\libs\natives\windows com.diablomin
682 2011-02-02 03:38:25 <presence> er.DiabloMiner.DiabloMiner -u presence -p prespass -f 1000
683 2011-02-02 03:38:27 <presence> [2/1/11 8:29:12 PM] Started
684 2011-02-02 03:38:30 <presence> [2/1/11 8:29:13 PM] Added GeForce GTX 460 (#1) (7 CU, local work size of 512)
685 2011-02-02 03:38:33 <presence> [2/1/11 8:29:15 PM] Added GeForce GTX 460 (#2) (7 CU, local work size of 512)
686 2011-02-02 03:38:36 <presence> 95104 khash/secc
687 2011-02-02 03:39:00 <DiabloD3> hrm, try with -w 32 and -w 64
688 2011-02-02 03:39:04 <presence> sorry about the block paste
689 2011-02-02 03:39:32 <presence> ok it isnt as laggy with w 32
690 2011-02-02 03:40:08 <presence> ~81M
691 2011-02-02 03:40:23 <presence> its slowly ramping up about 6 khash/s every second or so
692 2011-02-02 03:43:30 <DiabloD3> what did it max out at?
693 2011-02-02 03:43:42 <presence> ~82...Im up to 256 now
694 2011-02-02 03:43:47 <presence> ~106 so far
695 2011-02-02 03:44:24 <DiabloD3> -w shouldnt have much effect on nvidia
696 2011-02-02 03:44:28 <DiabloD3> their whole design is wrong
697 2011-02-02 03:44:36 <presence> its making a diff
698 2011-02-02 03:44:50 <DiabloD3> but Im surprised -w 32 makes the UI responsiveness better
699 2011-02-02 03:44:51 <presence> went up about 20M from -w 32 to -w 128
700 2011-02-02 03:45:05 <presence> -w 384 makes the ui sloggy again
701 2011-02-02 03:45:13 <presence> and adds no extra power
702 2011-02-02 03:45:19 <presence> well no more khash/s
703 2011-02-02 03:45:41 <DiabloD3> Im surprised, though, the cuda miner is doing that much better
704 2011-02-02 03:45:52 <DiabloD3> nvidia must have intentionally broken their opencl compiler
705 2011-02-02 03:46:00 <presence> its about 28M better
706 2011-02-02 03:46:37 <ArtForz> yup, nvidiots openCL compiler is very--- unoptimized
707 2011-02-02 03:46:55 <DiabloD3> that make the cuda miner, which is probably very badly designed, 26% faster
708 2011-02-02 03:46:58 <DiabloD3> thats kind of scary
709 2011-02-02 03:46:59 <presence> first to market last to fix
710 2011-02-02 03:47:01 <DiabloD3> Im glad nvidia is going bankrupt
711 2011-02-02 03:47:11 <DiabloD3> depends how you define "first to market"
712 2011-02-02 03:47:28 <DiabloD3> they wernt the first with a massively parallel computation arch, nor the first with a opencl impl
713 2011-02-02 03:47:41 <presence> well as far as I know (and I may be wrong, Im not on the inside) they came to the curb with gpu+cudalike first
714 2011-02-02 03:48:00 <DiabloD3> they were the first with a computing gpu, but not one with opencl
715 2011-02-02 03:48:10 <DiabloD3> thats like handing someone a car, but not the keys.
716 2011-02-02 03:48:14 <presence> but did others package opencl with their driver set?
717 2011-02-02 03:48:14 <ArtForz> andd iirc ATI also had a GPGPU framework pretty early
718 2011-02-02 03:48:22 <ArtForz> remember Brook+ ?
719 2011-02-02 03:48:34 <DiabloD3> ATI came out with theirs slightly after CUDA came out
720 2011-02-02 03:48:37 theymos has joined
721 2011-02-02 03:48:41 <DiabloD3> and it was just as shitty
722 2011-02-02 03:48:41 <presence> I have to say, the last several nvidia drivers have been ASS
723 2011-02-02 03:48:45 <DiabloD3> ATI had OpenCL drivers first, though
724 2011-02-02 03:48:51 <ArtForz> yep
725 2011-02-02 03:48:57 <DiabloD3> by like 9 months
726 2011-02-02 03:49:15 <DiabloD3> and Apple had OpenCL shit in a developer release of snow leopard before ATI had theirs out
727 2011-02-02 03:49:32 <presence> on my two machines that have sli here the drivers ass up, and harass me every 2 minutes with "recovered" when they never really have, and I cant do anything but watch a screen flash until I reboot
728 2011-02-02 03:49:42 <DiabloD3> eww
729 2011-02-02 03:49:52 <presence> it doesnt happen all the time
730 2011-02-02 03:50:02 <presence> but it tends to happen when Im deving which is the WORST possible time.
731 2011-02-02 03:50:05 <ArtForz> "only when the computer is on" :P
732 2011-02-02 03:50:23 <presence> nothing like editing a huge python script on a remote host when your desktop video gets assed up
733 2011-02-02 03:50:28 <DiabloD3> presence: well, buying just a radeon 5770 would put you ahead
734 2011-02-02 03:50:30 <DiabloD3> and those are really cheap
735 2011-02-02 03:50:39 <presence> Well, I want to buy one card
736 2011-02-02 03:50:52 <presence> because power consumption in this sli setup is brutal
737 2011-02-02 03:51:02 <DiabloD3> I can imagine
738 2011-02-02 03:51:06 <ArtForz> lol
739 2011-02-02 03:51:13 <presence> just running the miners increases my power usage by 292W
740 2011-02-02 03:51:24 <presence> idle Im at 168W
741 2011-02-02 03:51:27 <DiabloD3> a gtx460 is 150 watts each
742 2011-02-02 03:51:32 <ArtForz> so?
743 2011-02-02 03:51:34 <presence> with mining its 460W :D
744 2011-02-02 03:51:47 <presence> not that its a huge deal because its still a net win
745 2011-02-02 03:51:53 <ArtForz> a 5970 is 300W a pop :P
746 2011-02-02 03:52:02 <presence> but Im guessing that with a better card I use the same power and push more hashes
747 2011-02-02 03:52:04 <DiabloD3> so thats 300 watts for... what a 5770 does in 108 watts
748 2011-02-02 03:52:18 <ArtForz> 5770 is a bit faster
749 2011-02-02 03:52:30 <DiabloD3> 13x vs 15x
750 2011-02-02 03:52:34 <ArtForz> shoudl be getting ~160 Mhps with your new miner
751 2011-02-02 03:52:36 <DiabloD3> its the closest comparison
752 2011-02-02 03:52:53 <DiabloD3> still, 5770 is the smallest card worth buying
753 2011-02-02 03:53:06 <ArtForz> yup
754 2011-02-02 03:53:10 <presence> Well, if Im buying something why not buy something bigger and better
755 2011-02-02 03:53:20 <DiabloD3> presence: oh, and on 3D, the 5770 _could_ be a tiny bit slower, but nvidia sli is so badly designed that its probably about the same
756 2011-02-02 03:53:32 <ArtForz> unless you get a good deal on a 5850
757 2011-02-02 03:53:45 <DiabloD3> 1800 gflops vs 5770's 1360
758 2011-02-02 03:53:58 <echelon> finally got my payment after 5 days -___-
759 2011-02-02 03:54:07 <DiabloD3> but SLI will easily cost you that lead on a lot of games
760 2011-02-02 03:54:33 <lfm> echelon so reloading block files helped finally?
761 2011-02-02 03:55:03 <echelon> lfm, yeah :)
762 2011-02-02 03:55:11 <lfm> wtg
763 2011-02-02 03:55:14 <echelon> downloaded it over tor heh
764 2011-02-02 03:55:18 <DiabloD3> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161338
765 2011-02-02 03:55:24 <DiabloD3> $99 after rebate
766 2011-02-02 03:55:24 <lfm> ouch
767 2011-02-02 03:55:32 <presence> unfortunately, my mb wont do xfire
768 2011-02-02 03:55:38 <echelon> i wasn't in any rush :)
769 2011-02-02 03:55:39 <DiabloD3> presence: yes it will.
770 2011-02-02 03:55:41 <ArtForz> huh?
771 2011-02-02 03:55:46 <presence> hmmm
772 2011-02-02 03:55:50 <presence> actually it does
773 2011-02-02 03:55:54 <presence> I thought they said no
774 2011-02-02 03:55:56 <ArtForz> xfire is supported on pretty much anything
775 2011-02-02 03:55:58 <DiabloD3> presence: xfire and sli are the same thing... its just multiple pci-e x16 slots
776 2011-02-02 03:56:00 <presence> Supports ATI Quad-GPU CrossFireX Technology
777 2011-02-02 03:56:07 <lfm> you dont actually need xfire. run cards separately
778 2011-02-02 03:56:14 <presence> I do if I also game with them
779 2011-02-02 03:56:21 <DiabloD3> no, you just buy a bigger card
780 2011-02-02 03:56:21 <ArtForz> except nvidia cripples SLI
781 2011-02-02 03:56:26 <DiabloD3> single gpu always wins
782 2011-02-02 03:56:30 <presence> this is my point
783 2011-02-02 03:56:33 <presence> thus the 5970
784 2011-02-02 03:56:42 <presence> BUT, I dont like spending $600 on ebay stuff
785 2011-02-02 03:56:46 <DiabloD3> 5970 is two gpus
786 2011-02-02 03:56:47 <presence> soooo...I need to go elsewhere
787 2011-02-02 03:56:54 <luke-jr> presence: NewEgg has them for $600
788 2011-02-02 03:56:56 <presence> its two in one box right
789 2011-02-02 03:57:02 <DiabloD3> yeah, but it has internal crossfire
790 2011-02-02 03:57:07 <ArtForz> yup
791 2011-02-02 03:57:08 <presence> actually they dont luke
792 2011-02-02 03:57:12 <DiabloD3> which has to be disabled, and cant be afaik on windows
793 2011-02-02 03:57:12 <luke-jr> no?
794 2011-02-02 03:57:15 <luke-jr> they did a week ago
795 2011-02-02 03:57:25 <presence> they have a 5970 for $1k
796 2011-02-02 03:57:50 <presence> so lets assume I get 1 new ATI card
797 2011-02-02 03:57:58 <presence> I will throw these gtxs in my kids machine
798 2011-02-02 03:58:07 <presence> whats the most reasonable ati card to get?
799 2011-02-02 03:58:12 <presence> the 5870? 5770?
800 2011-02-02 03:58:17 <DiabloD3> well, lets say you want 2x the performance you have now
801 2011-02-02 03:58:20 <DiabloD3> to make the upgrade worth it
802 2011-02-02 03:58:42 <ArtForz> how bout 6950 1GB ?
803 2011-02-02 03:58:45 <luke-jr> holy crap, NewEgg *did* raise the price
804 2011-02-02 03:58:55 <DiabloD3> that'd be a 6870 or a 5870 or any of the 69xx cards
805 2011-02-02 03:59:22 <presence> the 6970 does about 300M/s?
806 2011-02-02 03:59:30 <presence> and is around $400
807 2011-02-02 03:59:52 <ArtForz> 6950 does ~260
808 2011-02-02 03:59:53 <DiabloD3> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102883
809 2011-02-02 04:00:07 <DiabloD3> 5870 does around 314
810 2011-02-02 04:00:11 <ArtForz> yup
811 2011-02-02 04:00:25 <presence> and how many watts does this thing suck?
812 2011-02-02 04:00:27 <DiabloD3> but its about 25% slower on 3D than the 6970
813 2011-02-02 04:00:37 <luke-jr> weird, my system is very laggy right now
814 2011-02-02 04:00:39 <ArtForz> about 190W
815 2011-02-02 04:00:42 <DiabloD3> 188 max
816 2011-02-02 04:00:45 <DiabloD3> idles at 27
817 2011-02-02 04:00:54 <presence> so still much much less
818 2011-02-02 04:00:54 <DiabloD3> it idles at about a third of what your two gtx 460s do
819 2011-02-02 04:01:17 <DiabloD3> yeah, 2x+ of the 3D performance, 3x of the miner performance, 2/3rds of the max power usage, and a third of the idle usage
820 2011-02-02 04:01:27 <ArtForz> yup
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822 2011-02-02 04:01:57 <presence> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127554&cm_re=6970-_-14-127-554-_-Product
823 2011-02-02 04:02:19 <ArtForz> 6970 is imo overpriced
824 2011-02-02 04:02:20 <presence> I need this to drive a 30" monitor as well, but that shouldnt be a challenge
825 2011-02-02 04:02:27 <DiabloD3> 69xx is veyr overpriced
826 2011-02-02 04:02:53 <DiabloD3> presence: 6970 is about 25% faster in 3D than 5870, mines, eh, a tiny bit slower
827 2011-02-02 04:02:56 <ArtForz> well, the 1GB 6950s are decent
828 2011-02-02 04:03:01 <DiabloD3> its not worth the huge price increase
829 2011-02-02 04:03:12 <DiabloD3> I dont like how 69xx requires stream SDK 2.3
830 2011-02-02 04:03:18 <ArtForz> unless you're planning on running crossfire
831 2011-02-02 04:03:36 <presence> Well crossfire is better than running multiple machines right
832 2011-02-02 04:03:40 <DiabloD3> presence: if I was mining and gaming, I'd buy the 5870 over the 6970
833 2011-02-02 04:03:42 <presence> because I dont need the 100+W for the system
834 2011-02-02 04:03:47 <DiabloD3> presence: no
835 2011-02-02 04:03:49 <ArtForz> no, I mean crossfire for 3D mode
836 2011-02-02 04:03:54 <DiabloD3> you have to disable crossfire for mining
837 2011-02-02 04:03:59 <DiabloD3> which you cant do on windows
838 2011-02-02 04:04:06 <presence> ok
839 2011-02-02 04:04:17 <DiabloD3> all the multi-card miners in here (like art and his 24 5970s) use linux with crossfire off
840 2011-02-02 04:04:28 <ArtForz> for mining, pretty much any mix of 57/8/9xx will do
841 2011-02-02 04:04:39 <DiabloD3> presence: 68xx and 69xx have a very optimized crossfire mode, btw
842 2011-02-02 04:04:52 <DiabloD3> presence: its basically zero performance loss on almost all games
843 2011-02-02 04:04:58 <ArtForz> 69xx
844 2011-02-02 04:05:05 <DiabloD3> I thought 68xx had it too?
845 2011-02-02 04:05:07 <ArtForz> 68xx doesnt scale much better than 58xx
846 2011-02-02 04:05:11 <DiabloD3> feh
847 2011-02-02 04:05:18 <DiabloD3> either way, its impressive
848 2011-02-02 04:05:22 <DiabloD3> but worthless for mining
849 2011-02-02 04:05:31 <presence> but this 5870 is going to be better than my 2xgtx260
850 2011-02-02 04:05:38 <DiabloD3> presence: yes by far
851 2011-02-02 04:05:45 <presence> in every way, gaming and otherwise
852 2011-02-02 04:05:47 <ArtForz> 460 I think
853 2011-02-02 04:05:55 <presence> haha
854 2011-02-02 04:05:57 <DiabloD3> like 6x mining performance per watt, 4 or 5x per watt in 3D
855 2011-02-02 04:06:08 <presence> I need to get rid of them just so I stop mistyping them
856 2011-02-02 04:06:12 <DiabloD3> yeah
857 2011-02-02 04:06:14 <ArtForz> dual 460s... 5870... should be in the same ballpark for gaming
858 2011-02-02 04:06:22 <DiabloD3> ArtForz: it doesnt look like it
859 2011-02-02 04:06:26 <presence> and my kids get some 460s
860 2011-02-02 04:06:35 <DiabloD3> ArtForz: look at the gflops performance
861 2011-02-02 04:06:36 <DiabloD3> its horrid
862 2011-02-02 04:06:40 <ArtForz> doesnt matter
863 2011-02-02 04:06:47 <DiabloD3> 1800 gflops on dual 460, 1300 on a 5770
864 2011-02-02 04:06:57 <presence> whats the benefit of going 2GB...for textures?
865 2011-02-02 04:07:04 <ArtForz> yup
866 2011-02-02 04:07:10 <DiabloD3> presence: yeah, only new games with shit cranked up to full will effectively use 2
867 2011-02-02 04:07:13 <ArtForz> 58xx has crazy shader power but gets kinda meh framerates for it
868 2011-02-02 04:07:27 <presence> I play black ops...and will be playing similar going forward
869 2011-02-02 04:07:28 <ArtForz> oh, or high resolutions
870 2011-02-02 04:07:37 <Guest5888> wow i havent paid attention to bitcoins in months... bitcoinmarket has the price at $0.55 now ?! time to sell all my "early adopter" coins!
871 2011-02-02 04:07:49 Guest5888 is now known as topace___
872 2011-02-02 04:07:57 <presence> Well I run currently windowed at 1680x1050
873 2011-02-02 04:08:06 <newsham> guest: its 0.75 on mtgox
874 2011-02-02 04:08:11 <noagendamarket> how many early adopter coins did you earn ?
875 2011-02-02 04:08:32 <topace___> about 3000 :) i sold about 1000 when the price was at like.. $0.20
876 2011-02-02 04:09:00 <lfm> topace___: check out mtgox.com
877 2011-02-02 04:09:04 <noagendamarket> nice
878 2011-02-02 04:11:48 <topace___> lfm: weird the price kinda went nuts just today on mtgox
879 2011-02-02 04:12:00 <lfm> no kiddin
880 2011-02-02 04:12:30 <presence> ok I ordered that 1G 5870
881 2011-02-02 04:16:20 purpleposeidon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
882 2011-02-02 04:18:14 <newsham> yup, someone blew through the order book with a big buy
883 2011-02-02 04:18:17 <newsham> yesterday
884 2011-02-02 04:18:22 <newsham> all the way up to $0.95
885 2011-02-02 04:18:24 <DiabloD3> ArtForz: btw, you were saying that 5870 should perform like his dual 460 in games?
886 2011-02-02 04:18:30 <DiabloD3> thats bullshit
887 2011-02-02 04:18:32 purpleposeidon has joined
888 2011-02-02 04:18:36 <newsham> even before that, though.. 50% appreciation in a months time.
889 2011-02-02 04:18:43 <DiabloD3> there are games that get an extra 25% performance in nvidia sli
890 2011-02-02 04:18:43 <newsham> bigtime BTC deflation..
891 2011-02-02 04:18:55 <DiabloD3> the best game only does like 75% more on 2 cards
892 2011-02-02 04:19:04 <DiabloD3> nvidia sli really rapes shit
893 2011-02-02 04:19:10 <presence> so are you now telling me that my 5870 is going to suck compared to 2xgtx460 ? :D
894 2011-02-02 04:19:23 <DiabloD3> presence: no, Im saying art's comparison is wrong
895 2011-02-02 04:19:37 <DiabloD3> it should get a lot more 3D performance than your two 460s on most games
896 2011-02-02 04:20:13 <DiabloD3> and it'll be doing it in far less power
897 2011-02-02 04:21:52 <presence> Ill just mine on another machine :D
898 2011-02-02 04:22:05 BitterTea has left ("Leaving")
899 2011-02-02 04:22:12 <DiabloD3> heh
900 2011-02-02 04:22:16 <DiabloD3> why mine on ANOTHER machine
901 2011-02-02 04:22:18 <DiabloD3> mine on ALL machines!
902 2011-02-02 04:22:45 <presence> I only have a few machines with gps worth bothering with
903 2011-02-02 04:24:11 <DiabloD3> *gpus
904 2011-02-02 04:24:36 <noagendamarket> if they have gps it would be easier to track if it gets stolen
905 2011-02-02 04:24:49 <DiabloD3> hee
906 2011-02-02 04:24:51 <noagendamarket> I have a kensington lock lol
907 2011-02-02 04:25:09 <DiabloD3> I have a case that is like 60 pounds dry
908 2011-02-02 04:26:58 <presence> I do gps code all day
909 2011-02-02 04:27:02 <presence> so...
910 2011-02-02 04:28:33 <andrew12^mac> hmm
911 2011-02-02 04:28:38 <andrew12^mac> how does monitorrecieved work?
912 2011-02-02 04:28:47 dwdollar has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
913 2011-02-02 04:29:53 <necrodearia> like a slave? command it to work and it will comply
914 2011-02-02 04:30:00 <doublec> you tell bitcoind an address to monitor, and give it a URL that it will access when activity happens on that address
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916 2011-02-02 04:30:08 <doublec> that URL receives a JSON-RPC call
917 2011-02-02 04:30:10 <doublec> from bitcoind
918 2011-02-02 04:30:53 <doublec> andrew12: see http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1319.0
919 2011-02-02 04:30:59 <PLATO> what is the command to view recent orders with Gribble
920 2011-02-02 04:31:20 <andrew12^mac> PLATO: for otc or mtgox?
921 2011-02-02 04:31:23 <PLATO> otc
922 2011-02-02 04:31:29 <andrew12^mac> go to #bitcoin-otc
923 2011-02-02 04:31:36 <PLATO> o ssnap
924 2011-02-02 04:31:43 <PLATO> i changed a window in irssi
925 2011-02-02 04:31:45 <andrew12^mac> but it's ;;book <thing>
926 2011-02-02 04:31:48 <PLATO> thought i was there
927 2011-02-02 04:31:51 <andrew12^mac> i.e. ;;book ppusd
928 2011-02-02 04:31:53 <PLATO> thanks :)
929 2011-02-02 04:32:05 <PLATO> hey what's the best place to learn how bitcoin works
930 2011-02-02 04:32:22 <PLATO> technically
931 2011-02-02 04:32:37 <andrew12^mac> http://bitcoin.it
932 2011-02-02 04:32:39 <andrew12^mac> look around there
933 2011-02-02 04:33:01 <PLATO> nice. i've explored some, i'll continue
934 2011-02-02 04:34:46 <andrew12^mac> doublec: i tried running a tcp server that just echoes anything it recieves, and it hasn't done anything yet
935 2011-02-02 04:35:30 <andrew12^mac> $ ./bitcoind listmonitored
936 2011-02-02 04:35:30 <andrew12^mac> [
937 2011-02-02 04:35:30 <andrew12^mac> {
938 2011-02-02 04:35:30 <andrew12^mac> "category" : "tx",
939 2011-02-02 04:35:30 <andrew12^mac> "url" : "http://localhost:5678"
940 2011-02-02 04:35:33 <andrew12^mac> }
941 2011-02-02 04:35:35 <andrew12^mac> ]
942 2011-02-02 04:35:55 <newsham> andrew: what do you want the server to do?
943 2011-02-02 04:36:25 <andrew12^mac> newsham: i honestly want gettransaction to work for any transaction id, whether it's mine or not
944 2011-02-02 04:37:15 <doublec> it probably doesn't follow HTTP 300 changes
945 2011-02-02 04:37:35 <doublec> http://localhost:5678 is probably redirecting to http://localhost:5678/
946 2011-02-02 04:37:39 <andrew12^mac> well the server probably doesnt even work
947 2011-02-02 04:37:57 <doublec> so it's not hitting your server at all?
948 2011-02-02 04:38:23 <andrew12^mac> no
949 2011-02-02 04:38:23 <andrew12^mac> my server
950 2011-02-02 04:38:32 <andrew12^mac> like i think my little echo server isnt working
951 2011-02-02 04:38:39 <doublec> you'll have to wait for a block to be processed by the network too
952 2011-02-02 04:39:03 <theymos> It probably wouldn't be too hard to modify gettransaction to work for everything.
953 2011-02-02 04:39:24 <andrew12^mac> theymos: do it! :p
954 2011-02-02 04:39:39 <theymos> I have my block database, so I don't need it.
955 2011-02-02 04:39:54 <presence> maybe Ill get that spartan 6 for the pop-11 implementation that newsh was trying to talk me into building :D
956 2011-02-02 04:39:59 <doublec> andrew12^mac: what are you trying to do?
957 2011-02-02 04:40:33 <andrew12^mac> doublec: make a graphviz digraph of the inputs of a transaction, and their inputs, etc
958 2011-02-02 04:40:33 <andrew12^mac> \o/
959 2011-02-02 04:40:36 <doublec> if you want every transaction can't you just use that half node thing someone pastebin'd the other day?
960 2011-02-02 04:40:58 <andrew12^mac> hm
961 2011-02-02 04:41:00 <andrew12^mac> i guess that could work
962 2011-02-02 04:41:06 <andrew12^mac> have it request the transaction from the node
963 2011-02-02 04:41:15 * andrew12^mac scratches chin
964 2011-02-02 04:43:21 <andrew12^mac> theymos: how does blockexplorer do it? :p
965 2011-02-02 04:43:51 <theymos> I use getblock to put every transaction into a database.
966 2011-02-02 04:44:18 <andrew12^mac> the getblock i have just gives me a tx id
967 2011-02-02 04:44:22 <andrew12^mac> :|
968 2011-02-02 04:44:33 <theymos> jgarzik's getblockbynumber
969 2011-02-02 04:44:47 <theymos> (Or getblockbynum -- I renamed mine to getblock)
970 2011-02-02 04:45:40 <andrew12^mac> this one? http://yyz.us/bitcoin/patch.bitcoin-getblock
971 2011-02-02 04:46:16 <theymos> Yes. You need to make modifications if you need precision, however, as that deals with double-precision numbers.
972 2011-02-02 04:46:27 <andrew12^mac> I don't need precision
973 2011-02-02 04:46:37 <andrew12^mac> I really just need the tx ids of the inputs :P
974 2011-02-02 04:47:07 <andrew12^mac> it'd be cool if I had it so you could give it a block number and it would show you where the generated coins went
975 2011-02-02 04:47:20 <andrew12^mac> (via graphviz of course)
976 2011-02-02 04:48:16 <theymos> There's no objective way to graph that, since the coins are mixed when outputs are split.
977 2011-02-02 04:48:44 <andrew12^mac> now here's the hard part: how do you use patches? :p
978 2011-02-02 04:49:36 <Necr0s> I believe you use the 'patch' program.
979 2011-02-02 04:49:53 <theymos> I just apply it manually. Remove the leading "+" signs with some regex. Paste the function somewhere near the top and the other three lines somewhere in those code sections.
980 2011-02-02 04:50:07 <andrew12^mac> wrong! get apply
981 2011-02-02 04:50:11 <andrew12^mac> git apply*
982 2011-02-02 04:50:43 <theymos> "patch" is the traditional Unix command for applying patches.
983 2011-02-02 04:50:51 <andrew12^mac> i know
984 2011-02-02 04:51:23 <andrew12^mac> pasting the raw code is probably a good idea
985 2011-02-02 04:51:26 <andrew12^mac> patch didnt work :p
986 2011-02-02 04:51:48 <doublec> you probably need a -p 1 or something for patch
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991 2011-02-02 04:55:14 <luke-jr> ahahaha NICE
992 2011-02-02 04:55:37 <luke-jr> so as it all turned out, VT-d really IS disabled on my H67 motherboardâ¦
993 2011-02-02 04:55:52 * andrew12^mac recompiles with the patch
994 2011-02-02 04:55:56 <luke-jr> but because of this Intel screwup, I can probably get NewEgg to let me swap it for a Q67 at no extra charge
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997 2011-02-02 05:09:47 <newsham> http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/x/mtgox/bidask.html
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1003 2011-02-02 05:13:21 <newsham> you can see some of the automated traders slowly ramping their bids and asks
1004 2011-02-02 05:17:02 <Kiba> it's fricking crazy
1005 2011-02-02 05:17:05 <Kiba> price functulate so much
1006 2011-02-02 05:17:24 <newsham> whats the fundamental value of the BTC, kiba?
1007 2011-02-02 05:17:37 <Kiba> supply and demand!
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1009 2011-02-02 05:21:58 <luke-jr> I'd like to see someone write an AI engine for markets :D
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1011 2011-02-02 05:22:25 * Kiba hopes bitcoin will reach 2 dollars parity by the end of the year
1012 2011-02-02 05:22:29 <Kiba> that would be awessssssssssome
1013 2011-02-02 05:23:12 <newsham> luke: you mean an automated trader?
1014 2011-02-02 05:23:28 Syke has joined
1015 2011-02-02 05:23:41 <newsham> syke = mh?
1016 2011-02-02 05:24:12 <newsham> luke: there are lots of people doing automated trading.
1017 2011-02-02 05:25:26 <luke-jr> newsham: automated != AI
1018 2011-02-02 05:25:36 <luke-jr> AI would be a *learning* program ;)
1019 2011-02-02 05:25:52 <luke-jr> that can formulate its own algorithms to maximize profit
1020 2011-02-02 05:27:15 <newsham> cool, it can learn how to lose money all on its own.
1021 2011-02-02 05:27:35 <newsham> and it'll be a black box that its programemrs wont be able to extract useful knowledge from
1022 2011-02-02 05:27:38 <newsham> win win!
1023 2011-02-02 05:27:49 <nanotube> haha
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1025 2011-02-02 05:28:56 <Kiba> we start off February with 404 posts and 103 people online at one time
1026 2011-02-02 05:29:42 <Kiba> with a big band so to speak
1027 2011-02-02 05:30:03 <Kiba> s/band/bang
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1029 2011-02-02 05:30:45 * andrew12 slaps andrew12^mac around a bit with a large trout
1030 2011-02-02 05:31:39 <newsham> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/23/business/worldbusiness/23iht-trading.3647885.html?_r=1
1031 2011-02-02 05:33:23 <presence> hedge fund manager :D
1032 2011-02-02 05:33:28 <presence> ie... criminal
1033 2011-02-02 05:34:15 <Kiba> presence: if they get bailed out by governments
1034 2011-02-02 05:34:25 <Kiba> otherwise, they're parasite on your investment
1035 2011-02-02 05:34:58 <presence> criminal in either case if you ask me :D
1036 2011-02-02 05:35:05 <Netsniper> if they got bailed out, they'll be taken out by the govt bubble
1037 2011-02-02 05:35:22 <newsham> this conversation is auto generated by a content free grammar
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1039 2011-02-02 05:37:27 <noagendamarket> so you can be a douchebag but at a quicker rate ?
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1041 2011-02-02 05:37:31 <noagendamarket> lol
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1049 2011-02-02 05:49:09 <luke-jr> interesting fact: Tonal is 95 years older than hexadecimal.
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1052 2011-02-02 05:52:20 <Keefe> luke-jr: in other words, better systems have since supplanted it ;)
1053 2011-02-02 05:52:26 <Keefe> such as decimal and hex
1054 2011-02-02 05:52:37 <luke-jr> Keefe: Decimal is older than Tonal :p
1055 2011-02-02 05:52:55 <luke-jr> and hexadecimal isn't better.
1056 2011-02-02 05:53:00 <luke-jr> it's incomplete as a number system.
1057 2011-02-02 05:53:02 <Keefe> whatever. tonal certainly doesn't appear to have much following
1058 2011-02-02 05:53:05 <luke-jr> only useful for computers.
1059 2011-02-02 05:53:17 <luke-jr> Keefe: neither did SI at one time
1060 2011-02-02 05:53:36 <Keefe> there has to be a really good reason to consider a new number system
1061 2011-02-02 05:53:49 <luke-jr> why?
1062 2011-02-02 05:53:57 <Keefe> because decimal works great
1063 2011-02-02 05:54:01 <luke-jr> it really doesn't.
1064 2011-02-02 05:54:05 <Keefe> explain?
1065 2011-02-02 05:54:13 <luke-jr> SI has proven just how flawed decimal is, actually.
1066 2011-02-02 05:54:31 <luke-jr> Keefe: decimal is unnatural for humans to do practical things with
1067 2011-02-02 05:54:40 <luke-jr> the *only* thing natural to do with it is count your fingers
1068 2011-02-02 05:54:58 <luke-jr> decimal 10 is also an unfit point to divide/multiply units
1069 2011-02-02 05:55:15 <luke-jr> nobody uses the deca- prefix
1070 2011-02-02 05:55:36 <luke-jr> or even deci- AFAIK
1071 2011-02-02 05:55:41 <Keefe> cause maybe the others are sufficient?
1072 2011-02-02 05:56:01 <Kiba> flawed?
1073 2011-02-02 05:56:02 <theymos> Here's an interesting article about the advantages of hex: http://www.intuitor.com/hex/switch.html
1074 2011-02-02 05:56:02 <luke-jr> because 10 is too small for the division/multiplication
1075 2011-02-02 05:56:03 * Kiba shrugs
1076 2011-02-02 05:56:31 <luke-jr> people can just as easily use the 1 unit, or if it's larger, jump to the 100 unit
1077 2011-02-02 05:56:44 <Keefe> i don't get it. nothing hinders decimal multiplication and division
1078 2011-02-02 05:57:02 <luke-jr> Keefe: it's not about impossibility, it's about unnatural/difficulty
1079 2011-02-02 05:57:22 <presence> I dont know
1080 2011-02-02 05:57:27 <luke-jr> you don't *need* a tool to divide things into 16 pieces
1081 2011-02-02 05:57:32 <presence> moving the decimal point one left or right is pretty easy
1082 2011-02-02 05:57:33 <Keefe> what's unnatural/difficult is figuring out a new number system nobody grew up with and which there's almost no info online about
1083 2011-02-02 05:57:45 <luke-jr> presence: moving the tonal point one left or right is just as easy
1084 2011-02-02 05:57:57 <luke-jr> Keefe: my children grow up with Tonal ;)
1085 2011-02-02 05:57:58 <presence> I dont see tonal except for a music language
1086 2011-02-02 05:58:09 <luke-jr> presence: try Wikipedia or the book
1087 2011-02-02 05:58:15 <Keefe> it's like you're trying to persuade people to learn a new verbal/written language nobody else uses, just because you think it has a few advantages
1088 2011-02-02 05:58:26 <luke-jr> Keefe: never heard of Esperanto or Lojban, I presume?
1089 2011-02-02 05:58:35 <Keefe> i've heard, and don't see the point
1090 2011-02-02 05:58:38 <luke-jr> presence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonal_System http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/tonal-system/10991090
1091 2011-02-02 05:58:45 <presence> Ive heard of speranto, but its pretty much dead
1092 2011-02-02 05:58:53 <luke-jr> Keefe: do you see the point of learning more than 1 language at all?
1093 2011-02-02 05:58:58 <Keefe> if i have to buy a book, forget it
1094 2011-02-02 05:58:59 <luke-jr> presence: Lojban probably killed it :p
1095 2011-02-02 05:59:00 <presence> it would be entirely dead if kirk wasnt around :D
1096 2011-02-02 05:59:07 <luke-jr> Keefe: try clicking the "Free download" link
1097 2011-02-02 05:59:07 <theymos> Let's all use the Ithkui languagel: it has much higher information density (and an awesome script)! http://www.ithkuil.net/ithkuil-intro.htm
1098 2011-02-02 05:59:09 <Keefe> if it's really good, there will be thorough info online
1099 2011-02-02 05:59:16 <Keefe> and wikipedia's article isn't good enough
1100 2011-02-02 05:59:20 <luke-jr> Keefe: try clicking the "Free download" link
1101 2011-02-02 05:59:58 <luke-jr> Wikipedia also has a Google Books link http://books.google.com/books?id=aNYGAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA105&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=0_1#PPP1,M1
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1103 2011-02-02 06:00:08 <Necr0s> So it's base-16 then?
1104 2011-02-02 06:00:19 <Necr0s> Why not just use the hexadecimal everyone knows?
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1106 2011-02-02 06:01:18 <luke-jr> Necr0s: hexadecimal isn't fully developed, nor suited to everyday usage
1107 2011-02-02 06:01:37 <luke-jr> Tonal, which came 95 years before hexadecimal, is fully developed
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1109 2011-02-02 06:02:17 <presence> although dividing by 16 physically might not be difficult, it wouldnt be simple on paper with numbers
1110 2011-02-02 06:02:29 <luke-jr> presence: sure it is. just move the tonal point.
1111 2011-02-02 06:02:44 <Keefe> so you make /16 easy and /10 hard. what for?
1112 2011-02-02 06:03:08 <Keefe> why not 15? 17?
1113 2011-02-02 06:03:19 <theymos> You can do more halving.
1114 2011-02-02 06:03:22 <Necr0s> 16 is mroe orthogonal.
1115 2011-02-02 06:03:25 <Necr0s> yeah
1116 2011-02-02 06:03:29 <Necr0s> less prime, as it were.
1117 2011-02-02 06:03:30 <luke-jr> 888 (2184 decimal) ÷ 10 (16 decimal) = 88.8 (136.5 decimal)
1118 2011-02-02 06:03:32 <presence> so how do primes work :D
1119 2011-02-02 06:03:33 <presence> hehe
1120 2011-02-02 06:04:14 <luke-jr> Keefe: why would you need to divide by 5+5 anyway?
1121 2011-02-02 06:04:26 <theymos> I agree that hexadecimal would be better, but I'm not willing to re-learn math, and the Total characters/names are stupid.
1122 2011-02-02 06:04:32 <Keefe> why would i need to divide by 16?
1123 2011-02-02 06:05:05 <Keefe> so base-16 makes halving easier. still just as "hard" to divide by say 3
1124 2011-02-02 06:05:06 <luke-jr> Keefe: because dividing by 8+8 is a convenient spot for unit divisions, and also easy for humans to do
1125 2011-02-02 06:05:06 <presence> why tonal instead of octal
1126 2011-02-02 06:05:20 <Necr0s> Ever see the movie Cube?
1127 2011-02-02 06:05:23 <presence> keefe: and you have more numbers that are harder to divide by overall
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1129 2011-02-02 06:05:32 <Necr0s> or Pi?
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1131 2011-02-02 06:05:50 <luke-jr> presence: octal is better than decimal, but the slight superiority of tonal over octal, is that numbers tend to get larger, and octal makes them take up more space on paper ;p
1132 2011-02-02 06:06:22 <luke-jr> also, octal-divided units would be even worse than decimal I suppose
1133 2011-02-02 06:06:33 <presence> but dividing by 3,5,6,7 is hard
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1135 2011-02-02 06:06:41 <luke-jr> you'd need to do units every 100 (64 deci) instead of every 10
1136 2011-02-02 06:06:51 <presence> compared to dividing by 3,5,6,7,10,11,13,14,
1137 2011-02-02 06:06:51 <presence> :D
1138 2011-02-02 06:07:01 <luke-jr> presence: no harder than decimal
1139 2011-02-02 06:07:11 <luke-jr> tonal can represent 1/3 more accurately than decimal can, too :p
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1141 2011-02-02 06:07:22 <presence> decimal only has 3,4,7,9
1142 2011-02-02 06:07:34 <luke-jr> also, 10/3 = 3.3333333â¦
1143 2011-02-02 06:07:40 <luke-jr> but tonal 10/3 = 5
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1145 2011-02-02 06:07:48 <Keefe> sure, cause 0x23 is more accurate than 35 :)
1146 2011-02-02 06:07:56 <presence> in tonal 10/6 is? :D
1147 2011-02-02 06:08:01 <luke-jr> 2
1148 2011-02-02 06:08:08 <presence> 16/6 is 2?
1149 2011-02-02 06:08:19 <luke-jr> hrm, no O.o
1150 2011-02-02 06:08:23 * luke-jr peers at kcalc
1151 2011-02-02 06:08:33 <presence> Im just saying
1152 2011-02-02 06:08:43 <luke-jr> ooooh, stupid kcalc is rounding to ints
1153 2011-02-02 06:08:45 <andrew12> exponents are FUN!
1154 2011-02-02 06:08:46 <presence> smaller number systems mean less complicated dividing
1155 2011-02-02 06:08:54 <luke-jr> ok, tonal 10/3 is still repeating :P
1156 2011-02-02 06:08:57 <Keefe> LOL
1157 2011-02-02 06:08:59 <theymos> I wonder if it's possible to invent a number system that can divide everything easily. (Obviously changing more than just the base.)
1158 2011-02-02 06:09:01 <Keefe> like i said
1159 2011-02-02 06:09:03 <luke-jr> presence: no, it doesn't.
1160 2011-02-02 06:09:12 <luke-jr> theymos: base 60 does that
1161 2011-02-02 06:09:13 <presence> binary division is always easy
1162 2011-02-02 06:09:22 <luke-jr> presence: binary division is painful with decimal
1163 2011-02-02 06:09:24 <presence> but you have 101232942098340 digits for larger calculations :D
1164 2011-02-02 06:09:29 <andrew12> presence: what's 0.1 in binary?
1165 2011-02-02 06:09:39 <presence> its 0.1 :D
1166 2011-02-02 06:09:41 <andrew12> (decimal -> binary
1167 2011-02-02 06:09:53 <luke-jr> presence: no
1168 2011-02-02 06:09:56 <andrew12> presence: pretty sure 0.1 in binary would be .5 in decimal
1169 2011-02-02 06:10:12 <luke-jr> 0.1 decimal is, in binary, 0.001100110011â¦
1170 2011-02-02 06:10:19 <andrew12> exactly
1171 2011-02-02 06:10:40 <andrew12> <presence> binary division is always easy
1172 2011-02-02 06:10:42 <luke-jr> and if you try to binary divide, for example, a decimal bitcoin (BTC), you can only do it 256 times
1173 2011-02-02 06:10:52 <presence> I cant imagine doing calculus or geometry in another number system at this point
1174 2011-02-02 06:11:31 * luke-jr isn't sure calculus or geometry are directly affected by a conversion to tonal
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1178 2011-02-02 06:11:38 <Keefe> ease of translation to binary is what hex is for
1179 2011-02-02 06:11:43 <andrew12> presence: just do it in base 10 and then convert it to the fibonacci code or something
1180 2011-02-02 06:11:43 <luke-jr> the math is all the same
1181 2011-02-02 06:12:07 <Keefe> explain why tonal is better than well-known hex
1182 2011-02-02 06:12:12 <andrew12> i think numbers are stupid
1183 2011-02-02 06:12:16 <luke-jr> really, for most people it's probably just relearning multiplication tables and such
1184 2011-02-02 06:12:22 <luke-jr> Keefe: I did that earlier.
1185 2011-02-02 06:12:26 <andrew12> because if we had 2 fingers we'd be using base 2
1186 2011-02-02 06:12:39 <andrew12> if we had 100 fingers we'd be using base 100
1187 2011-02-02 06:12:40 <luke-jr> andrew12: I have 5 fingers per hand. Base 6 sounds ideal.
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1189 2011-02-02 06:12:47 <Keefe> < luke-jr> Necr0s: hexadecimal isn't fully developed, nor suited to everyday usage
1190 2011-02-02 06:12:50 <Keefe> 21:57 < luke-jr> Tonal, which came 95 years before hexadecimal, is fully developed
1191 2011-02-02 06:12:58 <Keefe> that's not an explanation
1192 2011-02-02 06:13:02 <andrew12> luke-jr: we have 10 fingers, hence base 10
1193 2011-02-02 06:13:09 <luke-jr> Keefe: do I need to elaborate?
1194 2011-02-02 06:13:12 <Keefe> yes
1195 2011-02-02 06:13:14 <luke-jr> andrew12: we have 20 fingers+toes
1196 2011-02-02 06:13:22 <andrew12> toes arent relevent
1197 2011-02-02 06:13:27 <andrew12> you can't yount with your toes
1198 2011-02-02 06:13:32 <Keefe> because so far, tonal sounds like hex simply with different symbols for the 16 digits
1199 2011-02-02 06:13:32 <andrew12> count*
1200 2011-02-02 06:13:41 <luke-jr> Keefe: hexadecimal does not define pronunciations, units of weight, measure, etc, unit prefixes/suffixes, etc etc
1201 2011-02-02 06:13:43 <andrew12> inb4 shitstorm
1202 2011-02-02 06:13:57 <luke-jr> andrew12: I can count better with my fingers in binary or base 6.
1203 2011-02-02 06:14:10 <andrew12> luke-jr: you cut off 4 of your fingers?
1204 2011-02-02 06:14:17 <luke-jr> andrew12: no, each finger is a digit.
1205 2011-02-02 06:14:25 <andrew12> it was a joke
1206 2011-02-02 06:14:33 <andrew12> derp
1207 2011-02-02 06:14:37 <luke-jr> I can count all the way to 1023 on my fingers.
1208 2011-02-02 06:15:50 <presence> but thats 2**x
1209 2011-02-02 06:15:55 <presence> not 16 :D
1210 2011-02-02 06:16:22 <luke-jr> That's 3î§î§ (400-1) in Tonal
1211 2011-02-02 06:16:48 <andrew12> eww tonal
1212 2011-02-02 06:18:57 <niekie> Oh, that reminds me.
1213 2011-02-02 06:19:06 <niekie> Bitcoin support IPv6 yet? ;)
1214 2011-02-02 06:19:19 <niekie> Internet Doom Day: Tomorrow! http://ipv6.he.net/statistics/
1215 2011-02-02 06:20:51 <luke-jr> tomorrow? yesterday you mean
1216 2011-02-02 06:21:04 <andrew12> the world ended when it began
1217 2011-02-02 06:21:06 <andrew12> /internet
1218 2011-02-02 06:21:26 <luke-jr> as of yesterday, IANA no longer has any more IPv4 addresses to hand out
1219 2011-02-02 06:21:56 <luke-jr> why does HE say there's 5 more /8s?
1220 2011-02-02 06:21:58 <presence> its not like they handed out portable space anyway
1221 2011-02-02 06:22:19 <theymos> The last ones haven't been officially assigned yet, but by agreement they will be very soon.
1222 2011-02-02 06:22:59 <luke-jr> oh
1223 2011-02-02 06:23:45 <luke-jr> annoyingly, my IPv6 via HE went down for hours yesterday
1224 2011-02-02 06:23:50 <luke-jr> so I'm connected over v4 for once
1225 2011-02-02 06:24:23 <theymos> The switch will take a long time to complete fully. My ISP isn't planning to roll out IPv6 until Q4 of this year. My router firmware doesn't support IPv6, and I compiled my kernel without support.
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1227 2011-02-02 06:28:06 <luke-jr> lol fail
1228 2011-02-02 06:28:30 <luke-jr> people don't get it, do they?
1229 2011-02-02 06:28:32 <luke-jr> they're OUT OF TIME
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1231 2011-02-02 06:29:20 <theymos> Not really. ARIN will still have addresses until sometime in 2012, probably. Then there will be a market among ISPs.
1232 2011-02-02 06:29:50 <luke-jr> just how long does it take them to disperse a /8?
1233 2011-02-02 06:30:51 <jgarzik> anybody looking for MTGOX-USD, in 1:1 exchange for PPUSD (you pay fees)?
1234 2011-02-02 06:31:07 <luke-jr> also, sad fact of reality: my ISP has *no plans* for IPv6 migration
1235 2011-02-02 06:31:17 <andrew12> luke-jr: same
1236 2011-02-02 06:31:20 <andrew12> at least i havent seen any
1237 2011-02-02 06:31:25 <luke-jr> I asked.
1238 2011-02-02 06:31:39 <luke-jr> jgarzik: I wouldn't mind the other direction⦠:p
1239 2011-02-02 06:36:39 <theymos> I can't find the stats, but ARIN goes through addresses quite slowly. The extra /8 they're going to get soon will give them a lot of extra time. Plus, they just got that Interop block back. (I haven't been paying attention to RIPE NCC and others, though.)
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1241 2011-02-02 06:38:32 <newsham> jgarzik: #bitcoin-otc ?
1242 2011-02-02 06:38:50 <theymos> potaroo.net estimates ARIN exhaustion at December 2012: http://www.potaroo.net/ispcol/2010-10/when.html
1243 2011-02-02 06:38:55 <jgarzik> newsham: already
1244 2011-02-02 06:39:35 <presence> whos giving away ipv6 globally adressables
1245 2011-02-02 06:40:09 <presence> cockmast only gives a local link addr
1246 2011-02-02 06:40:14 <presence> well, allows me to assign my own
1247 2011-02-02 06:41:09 <jgarzik> sixxs.net
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1249 2011-02-02 06:41:25 <presence> probably have to tunnel
1250 2011-02-02 06:41:56 <jgarzik> yes
1251 2011-02-02 06:42:02 <luke-jr> no
1252 2011-02-02 06:42:03 <presence> totally lame
1253 2011-02-02 06:42:26 <luke-jr> well, maybe
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1255 2011-02-02 06:42:29 <luke-jr> ask Comcast :p
1256 2011-02-02 06:42:33 <luke-jr> http://www.comcast6.net/
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1258 2011-02-02 06:42:59 <luke-jr> I guess http://www.comcast6.net/6rd-config.php works for all Comcast customers
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1260 2011-02-02 06:46:03 <presence> only if you have that device
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1262 2011-02-02 06:48:18 <luke-jr> no, you can configure it manually on other devices :P
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1264 2011-02-02 06:53:21 <nanotube> anything openwrt-supporting.
1265 2011-02-02 07:00:31 <luke-jr> â¦or just DMZ some Linux system and do it there
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1309 2011-02-02 12:32:37 <molecular> ;;bc,calcd 22012 630000
1310 2011-02-02 12:32:38 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 22012 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 630000, is 3 years, 46 weeks, 5 days, 17 hours, 53 minutes, and 15 seconds
1311 2011-02-02 12:32:48 <molecular> ;;bc,calcd 630000 22012
1312 2011-02-02 12:32:48 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 630000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 22012, is 1 day, 17 hours, 41 minutes, and 4 seconds
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1315 2011-02-02 12:33:38 <sipa> ;;bc,calc 1240000
1316 2011-02-02 12:33:39 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1240000 Khps, given current difficulty of 22012.4941572 , is 21 hours, 10 minutes, and 44 seconds
1317 2011-02-02 12:33:57 <sipa> ;;bc,prob 1240000 21h 10m 44s
1318 2011-02-02 12:33:57 <gribble> 0.632119070436
1319 2011-02-02 12:34:23 <sipa> ;;bc,calc 124000
1320 2011-02-02 12:34:24 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 124000 Khps, given current difficulty of 22012.4941572 , is 1 week, 1 day, 19 hours, 47 minutes, and 23 seconds
1321 2011-02-02 12:34:34 <sipa> ;;bc,prob 1240000 1w 1d 19h 47m 23s
1322 2011-02-02 12:34:34 <gribble> 0.99995460002
1323 2011-02-02 12:34:39 <sipa> ;;bc,prob 124000 1w 1d 19h 47m 23s
1324 2011-02-02 12:34:39 <gribble> 0.632120517942
1325 2011-02-02 12:36:53 * molecular just calculated on empiric data from last 20h what it would've theoretically gained him to "play the pool": 11% more income. so playing the pool could work
1326 2011-02-02 12:37:39 <sipa> on average it won't
1327 2011-02-02 12:37:58 <sipa> but you can get more "unlucky" by not using a pool
1328 2011-02-02 12:38:24 <molecular> but still not as unlucky as just mining solo?
1329 2011-02-02 12:38:37 <molecular> are you sure it won't on average?
1330 2011-02-02 12:40:31 <sipa> pool: more steady income, but on average, slightly less (because of higher network delays, fee if you give one, ...)
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1332 2011-02-02 12:40:59 <sipa> mining solo has larger risks, and less steady gains
1333 2011-02-02 12:41:31 <molecular> also: if you never mined solo before: how to be sure it works correctly until you find first block ?
1334 2011-02-02 12:43:01 <molecular> I have a question: I have very bad network connection: it changes IP every 1-2 hours and there's packet loss every now and then. Is it better for me to mine solo or in pool?
1335 2011-02-02 12:43:23 <molecular> In other words: if I getwork() now, will a block find based on that work still be valid in 5 minutes?
1336 2011-02-02 12:44:10 <molecular> *found
1337 2011-02-02 12:44:48 <sipa> it could still be valid
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1339 2011-02-02 12:48:14 <tcatm> molecular: getwork should work better in your case
1340 2011-02-02 12:50:06 <molecular> getwork meaning: bit using own bitcoind?
1341 2011-02-02 12:50:16 <molecular> getwork meaning: mine using own bitcoind?
1342 2011-02-02 12:50:18 <tcatm> using pool
1343 2011-02-02 12:50:22 <molecular> ok
1344 2011-02-02 12:50:40 <molecular> what's the timeframe a getwork is useful for?
1345 2011-02-02 12:51:13 <sipa> it's as useful as the chance no next block was found by the network in between
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1347 2011-02-02 12:53:49 <molecular> but I loose that when mining in the pool, too
1348 2011-02-02 12:57:36 <molecular> so a block based on a 5 minute old getwork is still going to give me 50BTC if noone else found a block in the meantime?
1349 2011-02-02 12:57:52 <sipa> yes
1350 2011-02-02 12:58:02 <sipa> but i'm not sure miners keep working on a block for so long
1351 2011-02-02 12:58:18 <molecular> thanks, finally I put my question right and got an answer ;)
1352 2011-02-02 12:58:18 <sipa> since the nonce range can get exhausted
1353 2011-02-02 12:58:31 <sipa> at which point they need to receive a new getwork
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1355 2011-02-02 12:58:54 <molecular> well, if bitcoin is "disconnected", will it still give me work?
1356 2011-02-02 12:59:02 <sipa> yes
1357 2011-02-02 12:59:15 <molecular> will it give me different work, though?
1358 2011-02-02 12:59:17 <sipa> yes
1359 2011-02-02 12:59:21 <molecular> very nice
1360 2011-02-02 12:59:29 <sipa> different coinbase, different timestamp
1361 2011-02-02 12:59:36 <molecular> so only net connection from miner to bitcoind needs to be good
1362 2011-02-02 13:00:23 <molecular> well, the coinbase wont change, since it's disconnected.
1363 2011-02-02 13:00:51 <molecular> will it generate new timestamps when disconnected?
1364 2011-02-02 13:03:13 <sipa> the coinbase also contains a random number
1365 2011-02-02 13:03:20 <sipa> which can change
1366 2011-02-02 13:03:34 <sipa> and if bitcoin is running, it will update that
1367 2011-02-02 13:03:53 <sipa> and the timestamp is just based on your own hardware clock, so it keeps ticking even when disconnected
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1370 2011-02-02 13:17:08 <slush> > molecular: well, if bitcoin is "disconnected", will it still give me work?
1371 2011-02-02 13:17:12 <slush> molecular: ---^ no
1372 2011-02-02 13:17:41 <slush> there is condition on the top of getwork(), if bitcoin is connected
1373 2011-02-02 13:18:10 <sipa> really?
1374 2011-02-02 13:18:32 <slush> yes
1375 2011-02-02 13:18:37 <sipa> but it may not know it is disconnected
1376 2011-02-02 13:18:53 <sipa> tcp connections can die without both sides knowing it
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1379 2011-02-02 13:30:11 <sipa> molecular: slush is right, by the way - if bitcoin knows it has no open connections, it won't give you a getwork
1380 2011-02-02 13:30:41 <slush> molecular: pool does not care if you change IP frequently
1381 2011-02-02 13:30:49 <slush> molecular: but packetloss is a problem
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1386 2011-02-02 13:49:31 <da2ce7> hey slush, I'm back into the real world.... well I'm goign to update my miners... and then after i sleep, we will work out the issue with all my dogey share3s
1387 2011-02-02 13:51:00 <sipa> ;;bc,prob 1240000 2d
1388 2011-02-02 13:51:01 <gribble> 0.896315088825
1389 2011-02-02 13:51:09 <slush> da2ce7: heh, what issue with shares?
1390 2011-02-02 13:51:30 <da2ce7> ah, heapse of falulty or invalid.
1391 2011-02-02 13:52:02 <slush> still not in situation. It is something new?
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1394 2011-02-02 13:53:47 <slush> da2ce7: I don't have an idea what are you talking about :)
1395 2011-02-02 13:53:55 <slush> You probably wrote something I didn't read
1396 2011-02-02 13:53:57 <slush> before
1397 2011-02-02 13:54:25 <da2ce7> hey, slush, I just got back to the real world, so I'll chat to you later...
1398 2011-02-02 13:54:33 <da2ce7> er... thanks anyway...
1399 2011-02-02 13:54:33 <slush> ok
1400 2011-02-02 13:54:39 <da2ce7> I (L) your sevice.
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1414 2011-02-02 14:38:26 <cosurgi> incredible.
1415 2011-02-02 14:39:09 <cosurgi> slush: I had no block for a week (avg time 1day 10h) so I gae up and joined the pool, to have at least some reward. And imagine - it's second week passing, and still no block! But 40 BTC per day.
1416 2011-02-02 14:39:19 <cosurgi> /gae/gave/
1417 2011-02-02 14:39:48 <cosurgi> I have no idea what's wrong with me, but I'm very unlucky here :)
1418 2011-02-02 14:40:02 <cosurgi> maybe it's not bad, I am using this luck somewhere else right now :)
1419 2011-02-02 14:42:34 <slush> cosurgi: you see that probability is the bitch :)
1420 2011-02-02 14:43:20 <slush> there are people with cpus who find a block in few days
1421 2011-02-02 14:45:32 <cosurgi> wow
1422 2011-02-02 14:46:56 <cosurgi> so I suppose that I'll stay in the pool until my PCs will die. One of the is rebooting once per week, btw. But I keep it running. No idea what's wrong with it, maybe PSU.
1423 2011-02-02 14:47:17 <cosurgi> *one of them
1424 2011-02-02 14:48:19 <cosurgi> I love the graphs
1425 2011-02-02 14:48:30 <cosurgi> 7 day moving avg is great :)
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1427 2011-02-02 14:48:53 <cosurgi> how often do you refresh experimental/theoretical CDF ?
1428 2011-02-02 14:49:27 <cosurgi> Would be great if it actually works in detecting cheating clients.
1429 2011-02-02 14:51:25 <Keefe> if you get 12000 people together mining with one average cpu each, probably one of them is going to find a full block in the first couple hours
1430 2011-02-02 14:52:00 <slush> cosurgi: CDF is generated online
1431 2011-02-02 14:52:08 <cosurgi> nice :)
1432 2011-02-02 14:52:28 <Keefe> so when someone says there's no point mining with a cpu on their own, just think, you might be that lucky to be the one in 12000 to get a block in a couple hours :)
1433 2011-02-02 14:54:05 <cosurgi> and later no block for a year ;)
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1435 2011-02-02 14:56:40 <EvanR-work> Keefe: *you* could be a winner! play now.
1436 2011-02-02 14:56:50 <EvanR-work> true advertising ;)
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1442 2011-02-02 15:06:20 <sipa> slush's pool down?
1443 2011-02-02 15:06:30 <sipa> oh, up again :)
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1445 2011-02-02 15:12:48 <fauxalliance> Is there a public pool to join? My lowly P4 should give up on the solo approach
1446 2011-02-02 15:12:57 <nanotube> yes, see ,,pool page
1447 2011-02-02 15:12:57 <gribble> No fancy GPU farm, and don't want to wait for months for a block gen? Join the mining pool! http://mining.bitcoin.cz/
1448 2011-02-02 15:13:20 <fauxalliance> thanks nanotube
1449 2011-02-02 15:15:07 <fauxalliance> nanotube, a miner replaces the bitcoin app?
1450 2011-02-02 15:15:13 <fauxalliance> forgive my ignorance
1451 2011-02-02 15:15:26 <nanotube> well, bitcoin app manages your wallet. the miner mines. they do different things.
1452 2011-02-02 15:15:38 <nanotube> but in terms of coin generation, yes, miner replaces bitcoin app
1453 2011-02-02 15:16:07 <sipa> you can still run a client locally as well
1454 2011-02-02 15:16:14 <sipa> but that's independent really
1455 2011-02-02 15:16:29 <sipa> if you use the pool, you connect the miner to the pool instead
1456 2011-02-02 15:16:58 <fauxalliance> presumably authenticating with my receiving address ?
1457 2011-02-02 15:17:06 <sipa> no
1458 2011-02-02 15:17:11 <sipa> just a username/password
1459 2011-02-02 15:17:28 <fauxalliance> how are coins thus distributed to the contributers?
1460 2011-02-02 15:17:36 <sipa> it will keep a balance of what you've earned, and once it's enough, it's sent to an address you choose
1461 2011-02-02 15:18:31 <fauxalliance> ok.. so, I will need an account in the pool... or three CPU workers.. so three accounts i guess
1462 2011-02-02 15:19:47 <sipa> no
1463 2011-02-02 15:19:49 <sipa> one account
1464 2011-02-02 15:20:04 <sipa> you create 'workers' within your account on the pool
1465 2011-02-02 15:20:15 <fauxalliance> all clear... thanks
1466 2011-02-02 15:20:22 <sipa> each having a separate username/passwd, but under the same user account
1467 2011-02-02 15:20:40 <fauxalliance> anyone recommend a good miner for GNU/Linux
1468 2011-02-02 15:22:09 <sipa> there aren't that much options really
1469 2011-02-02 15:22:22 <sipa> jgarzic's cpu miner will do fine i think
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1487 2011-02-02 16:32:09 <omglolbbq> so, i was thinking the other day, if bitcoin becomes popular, only a small percentage of people will generate since it's too hard to be profitable, and thats the only reason people would generate... when big companies/banks/govt get notice of bitcoin growing they will try to jump in with massive supercomputers, either, generating a lot of bitcoins or taking over the blockchain to get in control
1488 2011-02-02 16:32:27 <omglolbbq> somebody tell me there's something very impossible with this scenario please...
1489 2011-02-02 16:32:47 <brocktice> omglolbbq: No, it's likely
1490 2011-02-02 16:33:14 <omglolbbq> well.. that kinda sucks... :/
1491 2011-02-02 16:33:40 <fauxalliance> 2200 khash/sec.... can i quit my day-job? :)
1492 2011-02-02 16:34:03 <DiabloD3> erm, huh?
1493 2011-02-02 16:34:07 <DiabloD3> thats pretty slow dude
1494 2011-02-02 16:34:15 <DiabloD3> my c2d e8500 does mor ethan that
1495 2011-02-02 16:34:24 <fauxalliance> thanks... thats a cumulative effort of my four workstations ;P
1496 2011-02-02 16:34:38 <omglolbbq> fauxalliance, you can quit your day-job, just don't expect your bitcoins to cover for the missing income xD
1497 2011-02-02 16:34:41 <brocktice> you're probably wasting money unless your electricity is cheap or free
1498 2011-02-02 16:34:53 <DiabloD3> fauxalliance: mining with cpus is kinda pointless
1499 2011-02-02 16:35:00 <DiabloD3> fauxalliance: doesnt any of them have a usable gpu?
1500 2011-02-02 16:35:05 <fauxalliance> as opposed to a GPU?
1501 2011-02-02 16:35:49 <fauxalliance> the GPU mining is new to me.. i have a watercooled TI4200... overclocked... you think that my have a bit more heft DiabloD3
1502 2011-02-02 16:35:59 <DiabloD3> erm, lol?
1503 2011-02-02 16:36:08 <omglolbbq> is the current calculating power of the network (flops) known?
1504 2011-02-02 16:36:20 <DiabloD3> if its less than a geforce 8000 or a radeon 4000, you cant mine with it.
1505 2011-02-02 16:36:25 <DiabloD3> omglolbbq: flops? no
1506 2011-02-02 16:36:47 <DiabloD3> omglolbbq: integer performance cant be easily mutated into fp performance
1507 2011-02-02 16:37:02 <omglolbbq> I wanted to compare it to some distributed projects, those are always expressed like that
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1509 2011-02-02 16:37:10 <DiabloD3> omglolbbq: and you cant easily derive it from ghash because not all miners are created equal
1510 2011-02-02 16:37:16 <fauxalliance> brocktice, not free... but turning on the heaters is a real waste
1511 2011-02-02 16:37:20 <DiabloD3> omglolbbq: that said, a hash IS a valid unit of performance
1512 2011-02-02 16:37:25 <brocktice> fauxalliance: true
1513 2011-02-02 16:37:36 <DiabloD3> omglolbbq: each one of our hashes is 2 sha256 hashes
1514 2011-02-02 16:37:37 <fauxalliance> -9 centigrade out
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1516 2011-02-02 16:37:48 <DiabloD3> celsius damnit
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1518 2011-02-02 16:37:59 <tcatm> omglolbbq: about 300 HD 5970
1519 2011-02-02 16:38:24 <omglolbbq> nothing a small supercomputer can't beat i'd think
1520 2011-02-02 16:38:30 <DiabloD3> omglolbbq: erm, lol?
1521 2011-02-02 16:38:47 <DiabloD3> theres a supercomputer in the top 25? 50? that has gpus
1522 2011-02-02 16:39:09 <DiabloD3> we're about a fourth of that iirc
1523 2011-02-02 16:39:16 <sipa> DiabloD3: actually, 122/64 of a sha256 hash round :)
1524 2011-02-02 16:39:36 <DiabloD3> sipa: <Diablo-D3> not all miners are created equal
1525 2011-02-02 16:39:57 <tcatm> omglolbbq: So that's somethine like 1.3E15 FLOPs, but you can't really compare it
1526 2011-02-02 16:40:15 <sipa> FLOPs are irrelevant for hashing
1527 2011-02-02 16:40:17 <omglolbbq> diablo, yes
1528 2011-02-02 16:40:19 <DiabloD3> sipa: and art's kernel is REALLY cutting corners
1529 2011-02-02 16:40:49 <sipa> true, considering the actual operations that needs to be done, it's even less
1530 2011-02-02 16:41:04 <DiabloD3> sipa: its missing 6, and takes apart the first few after that for looped runs
1531 2011-02-02 16:41:46 <DiabloD3> its ugly as hell
1532 2011-02-02 16:41:50 <DiabloD3> but apparently very fucking fast
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1534 2011-02-02 16:42:48 <omglolbbq> the nebulae supercomputer has 4640 nvidia tesla gpu's
1535 2011-02-02 16:43:52 <DiabloD3> yeah which is like
1536 2011-02-02 16:44:02 <DiabloD3> 500 5870s
1537 2011-02-02 16:44:22 <omglolbbq> they should have used ati's xD
1538 2011-02-02 16:44:30 <DiabloD3> well, no, they shouldnt have
1539 2011-02-02 16:44:42 <omglolbbq> i dont know about the performance of those things so
1540 2011-02-02 16:44:46 <DiabloD3> acedemics are not allowed to use any mainstream real actual languages
1541 2011-02-02 16:44:52 <DiabloD3> they have to use these dead things no one remembers
1542 2011-02-02 16:44:59 <DiabloD3> lisp, fortran, cuda
1543 2011-02-02 16:45:15 <omglolbbq> ehr?
1544 2011-02-02 16:45:36 <slush> DiabloD3: huh?
1545 2011-02-02 16:45:48 <DiabloD3> I have told a joke. The punchline was funny.
1546 2011-02-02 16:45:48 <slush> what's bad on fortran for science?
1547 2011-02-02 16:45:55 <slush> oh, ok :)
1548 2011-02-02 16:46:19 <sipa> haha
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1550 2011-02-02 16:48:09 <SleepyMartian> omglolbbq, not neccesarily in a bad way.
1551 2011-02-02 16:48:11 <SleepyMartian> If there are a bunch of large companies competing you'd still have the safety of the block chain.
1552 2011-02-02 16:48:12 <SleepyMartian> And considering Folding At Home's performance, a bunch of users with graphic cards can outpace a supercomputer easily.
1553 2011-02-02 16:48:30 <tcatm> Pretending the whole network was made of ATI GPUs and summing their GFLOPs we could easily get in top 10 at top500.org.
1554 2011-02-02 16:49:29 <sipa> what gflop/s does a 5970 have?
1555 2011-02-02 16:49:41 <tcatm> 2x 2320 according to wiki
1556 2011-02-02 16:49:47 <omglolbbq> SleepyMartian, well that may last for a bit, but they will realize this wont give them what they want, so they will start making deals and cooperate
1557 2011-02-02 16:49:48 <DiabloD3> yeah thats about right
1558 2011-02-02 16:49:57 <DiabloD3> however
1559 2011-02-02 16:50:00 <DiabloD3> we're not a supercomputer
1560 2011-02-02 16:50:26 <DiabloD3> otherwise walmart's inventory system (which its a shame to merely refer to it as such) would be #3.
1561 2011-02-02 16:50:34 <tcatm> Yep, but that doesn't really matter as the problem somewhat parallel
1562 2011-02-02 16:50:40 <tcatm> +is
1563 2011-02-02 16:51:17 <DiabloD3> I mean
1564 2011-02-02 16:51:20 <DiabloD3> we cant get on the list
1565 2011-02-02 16:51:24 <DiabloD3> _we're not a supercomputer_
1566 2011-02-02 16:51:44 <tcatm> no we can't, but those computers in that list can't overtake the blockchain in a short time
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1572 2011-02-02 16:52:07 <DiabloD3> tcatm: not easily
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1574 2011-02-02 16:52:35 <tcatm> I think that's quite impressive for a project like bitcoin
1575 2011-02-02 16:52:50 <omglolbbq> thhats justbecause they aren't built to achieve that i think
1576 2011-02-02 16:52:57 <sipa> at 170GH/s, or some 310 stock-frequency 5970's, we have 287 TFLOP/s at double precision, and 1438 TFLOP/s at single
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1578 2011-02-02 16:53:20 <sipa> (using numbers from wikipedia)
1579 2011-02-02 16:54:10 <DiabloD3> sipa: thats not directly calculatable
1580 2011-02-02 16:54:14 <tcatm> omglolbbq: GPUs aren't build for mining either
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1582 2011-02-02 16:54:27 <DiabloD3> sipa: single precision yes, double no.
1583 2011-02-02 16:54:40 <DiabloD3> sipa: not all devices have the same overhead of single precision
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1586 2011-02-02 16:54:59 <sipa> not all devices have the same overhead for any operations
1587 2011-02-02 16:55:03 <sipa> *operation
1588 2011-02-02 16:55:32 <omglolbbq> tcatm, just saying that for a big company it wouldnt be a problem to make a supercomputer for the sole purpose of overtaking the blockchain
1589 2011-02-02 16:55:55 <omglolbbq> ofcourse they would get govt support and stuff so they can build it cheap
1590 2011-02-02 16:56:02 <sipa> not sure what you mean - i believe those flops numbers are based on some standard benchmarking test, which is on itself worthless for any real-world application since the percentages of particular instructions used differ
1591 2011-02-02 16:56:56 <DiabloD3> sipa: tesla does 1/2 sp for dp, normal geforce is 1/8, radeon 5xxx is 1/5, 69xx is 1/4
1592 2011-02-02 16:57:04 <DiabloD3> sipa: and there are cpus that are 1/1.
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1595 2011-02-02 16:57:38 <sipa> DiabloD3: sure, but i'm not sure what your point is
1596 2011-02-02 16:57:44 <DiabloD3> sipa: you cant directly solve our cluster's dp performance from just doing 1/5th.
1597 2011-02-02 16:57:49 <sipa> i didn't
1598 2011-02-02 16:58:10 <DiabloD3> you did
1599 2011-02-02 16:58:19 <DiabloD3> 1438/5 = 287
1600 2011-02-02 16:58:42 <sipa> that's correct, but it is not how i calculated it
1601 2011-02-02 16:58:49 <DiabloD3> not only that, this also implies there is some correlation between integer and float performance
1602 2011-02-02 16:58:51 <DiabloD3> which there is not
1603 2011-02-02 16:59:05 <sipa> i simply used numbers for the flops count of a 5970 from wikipedia for both sp and dp
1604 2011-02-02 16:59:08 <DiabloD3> _if_ we owned 310 5970s, yes, your number would be correct
1605 2011-02-02 16:59:15 <DiabloD3> sipa: yes, which is exactly what I said, 1/5th
1606 2011-02-02 16:59:34 <DiabloD3> cpus are going to have radically different ratios of numbers
1607 2011-02-02 16:59:38 <sipa> of course
1608 2011-02-02 16:59:42 <DiabloD3> ergo you cannot even very loosely guess
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1610 2011-02-02 16:59:58 <DiabloD3> your SP performance is too high, and the ratio of SP to DP performance is too low.
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1612 2011-02-02 17:00:14 <sipa> whatever
1613 2011-02-02 17:00:24 <DiabloD3> you're probably about 25% off in either direction
1614 2011-02-02 17:00:37 <sipa> i'd be glad if it were only 25%
1615 2011-02-02 17:01:00 <DiabloD3> I dont think there are enough cpu users anymore to offset that
1616 2011-02-02 17:01:02 <sipa> i was simply giving the numbers for 310 5970's
1617 2011-02-02 17:01:14 <DiabloD3> but the problem is
1618 2011-02-02 17:01:17 <DiabloD3> theres a lot of geforce users
1619 2011-02-02 17:01:21 <DiabloD3> which are actively skewing it
1620 2011-02-02 17:01:26 <DiabloD3> so your DP number is too good
1621 2011-02-02 17:01:33 <DiabloD3> it should be lower because of them
1622 2011-02-02 17:02:58 <SleepyMartian> How hard would it be to design an IC specifically for hashing?
1623 2011-02-02 17:03:19 <tcatm> SleepyMartian: ArtForz already did that
1624 2011-02-02 17:04:06 <SleepyMartian> I suppose the real difficult bit is mass producing it.
1625 2011-02-02 17:05:00 <tcatm> I think once you have a working prototype mass producing it should be simple.
1626 2011-02-02 17:06:57 <SleepyMartian> Don't you first have to work out how it will be put together layer by layer?
1627 2011-02-02 17:07:44 <sipa> ArtForz's IC is a structured asic, where the silicon layer is pre-made, and only the connections made between them is custom
1628 2011-02-02 17:08:09 <SleepyMartian> Ah, that is simpler.
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1630 2011-02-02 17:08:36 <sipa> still costs enough, but some orders of magnitude less than a fully custom silicon
1631 2011-02-02 17:08:40 <SleepyMartian> I wonder what kind of performance he's getting.
1632 2011-02-02 17:08:50 <sipa> 200 MH/s per 12W card
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1635 2011-02-02 17:28:57 <newsham> http://juliamap.googlelabs.com/#ll=64.168107,-0.703125&z=0&p=ffffff,ffff00,ff,ff0000,ffff00&f=newton
1636 2011-02-02 17:29:15 <newsham> see how many flops yer browser gets
1637 2011-02-02 17:29:17 <newsham> in js
1638 2011-02-02 17:30:31 <luke-jr> I see a black page. Nothing else.
1639 2011-02-02 17:31:13 <fauxalliance> fractals... then a black page
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1641 2011-02-02 17:33:57 <luke-jr> Julia series numbers:445.2 millions Flops:0/s
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1645 2011-02-02 17:48:38 <jgarzik> slush: in my pool, I see quite a few duplicate solutions submitted. And occasionally a wholly wrong solution, that is far larger than the 32-bit reduced target.
1646 2011-02-02 17:49:02 * jgarzik wonders if that's broken miners or cheaters. probably broken miners.
1647 2011-02-02 17:49:04 <slush> so?
1648 2011-02-02 17:49:11 <slush> probably both, of course
1649 2011-02-02 17:49:13 <jgarzik> slush: I was wondering if you see same
1650 2011-02-02 17:49:20 <slush> because current pool code is one huge security hole :)
1651 2011-02-02 17:49:44 <slush> I'm filtering duplicates directly on income
1652 2011-02-02 17:50:38 <slush> If I see duplicates? Yes, ocassionally
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1654 2011-02-02 17:56:23 <slush> afaik the common reason is resubmit of previous submitted work, probably because pool response was lost on network or so.
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1656 2011-02-02 18:02:46 <fauxalliance> jgarzik, perhaps some of us extreme over-clockers are off our rockers.
1657 2011-02-02 18:03:30 <slush> jgarzik: how many shares per second (or minute or so) pool currently have?
1658 2011-02-02 18:06:34 <jgarzik> slush: 1 share every 1-2 seconds
1659 2011-02-02 18:07:13 <slush> hm, looks like 6 ghash/s
1660 2011-02-02 18:07:23 <slush> not bad, my pool was on 6hash after many days
1661 2011-02-02 18:07:31 <slush> 6ghash
1662 2011-02-02 18:08:01 <slush> ;;bc,calc 6000000
1663 2011-02-02 18:08:02 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 6000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 22012.4941572 , is 4 hours, 22 minutes, and 37 seconds
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1668 2011-02-02 18:11:17 <slush> when the bitcoins are sent to miners?
1669 2011-02-02 18:11:41 <slush> what about subcents? Is there also any threshold or so?
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1671 2011-02-02 18:13:04 <jgarzik> slush: hourly cron job (being written) will issue payment. But for these first blocks found, I must manually verify, to ensure integrity of other fields in blocks.
1672 2011-02-02 18:13:35 <slush> how can you check that fields are OK?
1673 2011-02-02 18:13:53 <jgarzik> slush: I store the 'getwork' data sent to miners
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1677 2011-02-02 18:14:39 <slush> oh, you run another version than on /bitcoin/poold.py?
1678 2011-02-02 18:15:17 <jgarzik> slush: that's not kept up to date
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1680 2011-02-02 18:15:31 <slush> didn't know that
1681 2011-02-02 18:15:53 <jgarzik> slush: latest version is in git repository; I update poold.py once a day or so
1682 2011-02-02 18:16:09 <slush> public git repository?
1683 2011-02-02 18:16:14 <jgarzik> no
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1688 2011-02-02 18:23:27 <omglolbbq> hmm crap i just wanted to exchange some bitcoins to paypal, but it seems mtgox doesnt support paypal :/ now what do i do..?
1689 2011-02-02 18:23:50 <tcatm> omglolbbq: #bitcoin-otc
1690 2011-02-02 18:23:51 <slush> omglolbbq: find somebody interested in mtgox$$$
1691 2011-02-02 18:23:56 <jgarzik> omglolbbq: bitcoinmarket or #bitcoin-otc
1692 2011-02-02 18:24:20 <omglolbbq> ok sorry for offtopic :)
1693 2011-02-02 18:24:22 <effay> omglolbbq, bitcoin2cc?
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1700 2011-02-02 18:38:45 <nathan7> omglolbbq: ..what?
1701 2011-02-02 18:38:55 <nathan7> mtgox stopped supporting paypal?
1702 2011-02-02 18:38:57 <nathan7> Damnit
1703 2011-02-02 18:39:14 <jgarzik> that is ages ago
1704 2011-02-02 18:39:26 <tcatm> selling bitcoins for paypal is usually very easy
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1707 2011-02-02 18:49:40 <omglolbbq> nathan, receiving :)
1708 2011-02-02 18:49:49 <omglolbbq> i want to withdraw
1709 2011-02-02 18:49:59 <nathan7> Mhm, I know.
1710 2011-02-02 18:50:04 <nathan7> It's a while ago though.
1711 2011-02-02 18:50:18 <nathan7> The only time I had bitcoins is when I sold niekie cookies =p
1712 2011-02-02 18:50:37 <omglolbbq> i sent an email, maybe direct deposit is possible without costing more then i want to transfer xD
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1714 2011-02-02 18:53:20 <luke-jr> WTF
1715 2011-02-02 18:53:46 <luke-jr> Radeons are freaking huge now
1716 2011-02-02 18:53:55 <luke-jr> I had to move 2 of my hard drives to get it to fit
1717 2011-02-02 18:54:06 <EvanR-work> cases are for lamers
1718 2011-02-02 18:54:07 <tcatm> what did you get? 5970?
1719 2011-02-02 18:54:21 <luke-jr> 5850 I think
1720 2011-02-02 18:54:33 <lfm> small cases are for lamers
1721 2011-02-02 18:54:35 <tcatm> they're quite small
1722 2011-02-02 18:54:38 <luke-jr> lfm: it isn't small
1723 2011-02-02 18:54:52 <lfm> well it is
1724 2011-02-02 18:54:59 <luke-jr> actually, the hard drive would fit fine
1725 2011-02-02 18:55:06 <luke-jr> just not the cables I need to plug into it
1726 2011-02-02 18:55:16 <lfm> small
1727 2011-02-02 18:55:20 <luke-jr> normal size
1728 2011-02-02 18:55:32 <lfm> normal for lamers
1729 2011-02-02 18:55:40 <EvanR-work> itty bitty teeny weeny
1730 2011-02-02 18:55:51 <luke-jr> nah
1731 2011-02-02 18:55:54 <luke-jr> Radeon is just freaking huge
1732 2011-02-02 18:56:01 <luke-jr> my old Radeon was nowhere near this big
1733 2011-02-02 18:56:02 <EvanR-work> yes its very macho
1734 2011-02-02 18:56:22 <lfm> yes cheaper video cards are smaller
1735 2011-02-02 18:56:35 <luke-jr> this card was cheap enough
1736 2011-02-02 18:56:37 <luke-jr> :p
1737 2011-02-02 18:56:42 <luke-jr> $161
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1744 2011-02-02 19:24:25 <Necr0s> Yea, my 5970 sounds like a jet engine running this thing.
1745 2011-02-02 19:24:45 <Necr0s> And it's in my living room (it does double duty as a HTPC).
1746 2011-02-02 19:25:10 <Necr0s> I'm now looking into 50ft HDMI cables and bluetooth keyboards and mice...
1747 2011-02-02 19:25:14 <presence> hmm Im getting stale hashes from the pool
1748 2011-02-02 19:25:26 <presence> stale blocks that is
1749 2011-02-02 19:26:30 <slush> presence: is it ok now?
1750 2011-02-02 19:26:40 <Necr0s> I would like to locate it in my server closet, which has it's own air conditioning.
1751 2011-02-02 19:27:04 <presence> I restarted the clients...still said stale, but let me submit another hash before I say
1752 2011-02-02 19:27:32 <presence> ok, got a true result on one miner
1753 2011-02-02 19:27:36 <slush> it looks fine for minute or so
1754 2011-02-02 19:27:38 <presence> I guess it recovered.
1755 2011-02-02 19:27:52 <slush> but there was some network outage, even ssh didn't work
1756 2011-02-02 19:28:13 <slush> but is back without any manual changes
1757 2011-02-02 19:28:26 <presence> ok
1758 2011-02-02 19:28:28 <Necr0s> I hate when that happens on remote hosts.
1759 2011-02-02 19:28:53 <citiz3n> Necr0s, i know a really good place for HDMI cables
1760 2011-02-02 19:29:12 <Necr0s> where's that?
1761 2011-02-02 19:29:17 <citiz3n> outdoorspeakerdepot.com
1762 2011-02-02 19:29:28 <citiz3n> i ordered a bunch from them - they are very good quality
1763 2011-02-02 19:29:36 <Necr0s> I'll check it out. thx.
1764 2011-02-02 19:30:49 <luke-jr> also, does it hurt if I got blood on the Radeon?
1765 2011-02-02 19:31:08 <luke-jr> will it take control of my soul and become a Terminator?
1766 2011-02-02 19:31:59 <Necr0s> Seems plausible.
1767 2011-02-02 19:32:07 <citiz3n> $30 for a 50 foot there it seems
1768 2011-02-02 19:33:39 <Necr0s> That's pretty good.
1769 2011-02-02 19:33:46 <Necr0s> eGay has them for a bit less, but quality is unknown.
1770 2011-02-02 19:33:51 <presence> monoprice.com luke
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1777 2011-02-02 19:56:31 <omglolbbq> what does a 5770 stock perform?
1778 2011-02-02 19:57:11 <Necr0s> http://pastebin.com/AvymGnMJ
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1789 2011-02-02 20:08:18 <echelon> i just noticed the dns file in ~/.bitcoin/
1790 2011-02-02 20:08:18 <echelon> what's that for?
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1801 2011-02-02 20:23:24 <cosurgi> omg, I find blocks always right after I complain.
1802 2011-02-02 20:23:46 <slush> on pool?
1803 2011-02-02 20:26:04 <cosurgi> yeah
1804 2011-02-02 20:26:18 <cosurgi> two blocks right after our conversation
1805 2011-02-02 20:26:27 <EvanR-work> god dammit i never get a block
1806 2011-02-02 20:26:30 * EvanR-work waits
1807 2011-02-02 20:26:48 <cosurgi> but before: no blocks for two weeks. And I should be finding two blocks per three days.
1808 2011-02-02 20:27:13 <slush> EvanR-work: after few tens of found blocks, things become a little boring :)
1809 2011-02-02 20:27:37 <EvanR-work> lets hope so
1810 2011-02-02 20:27:47 <cosurgi> just a matter of switch from active waiting to passive wating :)
1811 2011-02-02 20:28:02 <EvanR-work> still nothing
1812 2011-02-02 20:28:06 <slush> :-D
1813 2011-02-02 20:28:09 <EvanR-work> ... still nothing
1814 2011-02-02 20:28:11 <cosurgi> that's active wating :)
1815 2011-02-02 20:28:12 <EvanR-work> lol
1816 2011-02-02 20:29:51 <tcatm> use a pool :P Block 95345 found in a few days
1817 2011-02-02 20:30:07 <EvanR-work> Cusipzzz told me not to use the pool ;)
1818 2011-02-02 20:30:23 <Cusipzzz> wha? i did?
1819 2011-02-02 20:30:31 <EvanR-work> yes
1820 2011-02-02 20:30:44 <Cusipzzz> was i sober? :)
1821 2011-02-02 20:30:56 <EvanR-work> dunno
1822 2011-02-02 20:31:03 <Cusipzzz> ohh, you mean the part about slush stealing your monies? that was a joke o.O
1823 2011-02-02 20:31:33 <EvanR-work> you said maximize your throughput by avoiding network overhead and downtime
1824 2011-02-02 20:31:38 <EvanR-work> and donations ;)
1825 2011-02-02 20:32:13 <slush> Cusipzzz: you are cutting my donations by bad advices? You bastard! :-D
1826 2011-02-02 20:32:32 <Cusipzzz> i never said that!
1827 2011-02-02 20:32:42 <Cusipzzz> the donations part, anyway
1828 2011-02-02 20:32:44 <Cusipzzz> ;)
1829 2011-02-02 20:32:47 <EvanR-work> heh
1830 2011-02-02 20:33:42 <EvanR-work> i wish bitcoind would show me generate blocks with less than 120 confirmations
1831 2011-02-02 20:33:54 <Cusipzzz> i remember now, I said if you don't mind the variance, better to go on your own :), nothing more than that
1832 2011-02-02 20:34:45 <Cusipzzz> the variance makes it exciting..if you just get your 4.8 BTCs a day like clockwork, what fun is that? ;)
1833 2011-02-02 20:35:24 <EvanR-work> a lot of fun
1834 2011-02-02 20:35:32 <Cusipzzz> lol
1835 2011-02-02 20:35:33 <EvanR-work> because i can sell during bubbles
1836 2011-02-02 20:35:54 <Cusipzzz> good thing you didn't sell during that bubble at .24-.25 amirite??
1837 2011-02-02 20:36:02 <andrew12^mac> hm
1838 2011-02-02 20:36:14 <andrew12^mac> is there a dsl for a json-rpc server in ruby?
1839 2011-02-02 20:36:27 <EvanR-work> how about .95 bubble ;)
1840 2011-02-02 20:36:42 <Cusipzzz> we'll see
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1842 2011-02-02 20:38:24 <EvanR-work> i need to start charting my sells, when, how much, what was the difficulty
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1846 2011-02-02 20:38:44 <EvanR-work> and see what the long term income really is
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1848 2011-02-02 20:39:35 <EvanR-work> price goes up, mining goes up, difficulty goes up, repeat
1849 2011-02-02 20:39:39 <Cusipzzz> drink the kool aid, don't sell any :)
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1851 2011-02-02 20:40:23 <andrew12^mac> ;;bc,mtgox
1852 2011-02-02 20:40:24 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.8,"low":0.67,"vol":12591,"buy":0.716,"sell":0.74,"last":0.74}}
1853 2011-02-02 20:40:33 <andrew12^mac> mmm
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1855 2011-02-02 20:40:40 <slush> volume is going down
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1857 2011-02-02 20:41:07 <x6763> yeah. volume is way down compared to the last couple days
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1863 2011-02-02 20:43:05 <EvanR-work> Cusipzzz: good idea, bitcoin brand koolaid ;)
1864 2011-02-02 20:43:16 <EvanR-work> i know koolaid is a brand, screw them
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1866 2011-02-02 20:43:26 <Cusipzzz> haha
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1874 2011-02-02 20:51:24 <andrew12^mac> hm
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1876 2011-02-02 20:51:56 <EvanR-work> who owns bitcoin IP? like the word bitcoin and the graphics
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1878 2011-02-02 20:52:10 <andrew12^mac> EvanR-work: it's open source
1879 2011-02-02 20:52:13 <andrew12^mac> it's all open source
1880 2011-02-02 20:52:26 <EvanR-work> you cant open source a trademark
1881 2011-02-02 20:52:39 <andrew12^mac> EvanR-work: it's not a trademark?
1882 2011-02-02 20:52:48 <EvanR-work> and even open source code is copyrighted by the original authors
1883 2011-02-02 20:53:06 <EvanR-work> its not a trademark, interesting
1884 2011-02-02 20:53:15 * EvanR-work runs to the trademark office
1885 2011-02-02 20:53:20 <andrew12^mac> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/license.txt
1886 2011-02-02 20:54:01 <EvanR-work> in specifically asking about the name bitcoin and the various imagery
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1890 2011-02-02 20:58:48 <andrew12^mac> Satoshi Nakamoto created it, but nobody's ever seen him in real life, nor is there anything online about him that isn't in relation to bitcoin.
1891 2011-02-02 20:59:22 <EvanR-work> if hes real, hed be wise to trademark the bitch
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1893 2011-02-02 20:59:24 <andrew12^mac> and the only proof of him actually talking directly to anyone is gavin saying that he got an email from him
1894 2011-02-02 20:59:25 <EvanR-work> like the rails guy
1895 2011-02-02 20:59:50 <andrew12^mac> i think he'd rather stay anonymous
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1898 2011-02-02 21:00:38 <EvanR-work> satoshi is a nick of someone on this network ;)
1899 2011-02-02 21:00:40 <lyspooner> hello mtgox, nice thing you did for cryptofo
1900 2011-02-02 21:01:15 <lyspooner> crytptofo seems like an unlikely name to have an easily guessed password
1901 2011-02-02 21:01:33 <Cusipzzz> lol
1902 2011-02-02 21:01:44 <EvanR-work> short for cryptofool
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1904 2011-02-02 21:02:03 <lyspooner> cryptoforgot 8 more characters
1905 2011-02-02 21:02:15 <alkor> Can anybody help with setting up a CUDA miner on ubuntu?
1906 2011-02-02 21:02:31 <alkor> I just downloaded the source from http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1458.0
1907 2011-02-02 21:03:12 <alkor> However when I compile and try to run, I get "Loading module bitcoinminercuda_11.cubin Unable to load CUDA module"
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1909 2011-02-02 21:08:30 <davout> does anyone feel like making a few bitcoins for a couple of hours work ?
1910 2011-02-02 21:08:34 <davout> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3126.0
1911 2011-02-02 21:09:14 <alkor> I could translate to Bulgarian and Turkish if those are of any use.
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1913 2011-02-02 21:10:36 <davout> the challenge is more to extract every possible string into dictionaries than actually translating
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1915 2011-02-02 21:12:58 <davout> if you're up for it that'd be nice :)
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1918 2011-02-02 21:18:25 <alkor> If I finish setting up my cuda miner, maybe I'll give it a try
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1920 2011-02-02 21:22:20 <alkor> Is anybody considering or workin on a pure python implementation of bitcoin?
1921 2011-02-02 21:24:22 <davout> altamic is working on a pure ruby implementation
1922 2011-02-02 21:24:49 <alkor> Is the source available?
1923 2011-02-02 21:24:51 <davout> since ruby >> python it settles the matter
1924 2011-02-02 21:24:54 <davout> XD
1925 2011-02-02 21:25:00 <nanotube> alkor: there's a python half-node code available
1926 2011-02-02 21:25:07 <davout> alkor: altamic didn't open it up yet afaik
1927 2011-02-02 21:25:29 <nanotube> alkor: https://github.com/tcatm/supybot-BTCMonitor/
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1929 2011-02-02 21:25:47 <nanotube> bitcoin.py and associated files in there, can connect to a bitcoin node and parse the data
1930 2011-02-02 21:27:08 <alkor> Can you send bitcoins with that implementation?
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1932 2011-02-02 21:27:53 <alkor> davout: Here is a very good comparison of python and ruby http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1113611/what-does-ruby-have-that-python-doesnt-and-vice-versa
1933 2011-02-02 21:27:56 <Ljrn900> Im beginning to regret buying this radeon
1934 2011-02-02 21:28:15 <Ljrn900> majorly
1935 2011-02-02 21:29:00 <sipa> why?
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1937 2011-02-02 21:29:25 <Ljrn900> its screwing up my pc
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1939 2011-02-02 21:29:55 <newsham> are any of the chart/watch sites plotting difficulty vs time?
1940 2011-02-02 21:30:16 <davout> alkor: i was just kidding :) i'm definitely biased towards ruby, as long as one is conscious it's ok :p
1941 2011-02-02 21:30:17 <sipa> bitcoin.sipa.be/speed.png
1942 2011-02-02 21:30:24 <presence> how is it screwing up your pc?
1943 2011-02-02 21:30:43 <Ljrn900> it corrupted my bios
1944 2011-02-02 21:30:50 <sipa> huh
1945 2011-02-02 21:30:50 <presence> How?
1946 2011-02-02 21:30:50 <newsham> sipa: how often is it updated?
1947 2011-02-02 21:30:55 <Ljrn900> nfc
1948 2011-02-02 21:30:57 <Ljrn900> dma?
1949 2011-02-02 21:31:00 <sipa> newsham: every hour
1950 2011-02-02 21:31:18 <newsham> nice
1951 2011-02-02 21:31:23 <presence> maybe overheat, or perhaps static
1952 2011-02-02 21:31:30 <sipa> not that you'd notice on that scale
1953 2011-02-02 21:31:41 <Ljrn900> more important X wont start
1954 2011-02-02 21:31:47 <presence> Thats a config issue :D
1955 2011-02-02 21:32:00 <presence> just be happy you live today and not 10 years ago when x sucked bawls to config
1956 2011-02-02 21:32:03 <Ljrn900> default cfg
1957 2011-02-02 21:32:19 <andrew12^mac> http://pastie.org/1523084
1958 2011-02-02 21:32:20 <andrew12^mac> \o/
1959 2011-02-02 21:32:21 <sipa> aticonfig --initial --adapter=all -f
1960 2011-02-02 21:32:22 <newsham> sipa: cant reach that site :(
1961 2011-02-02 21:32:32 TD has quit (Quit: TD)
1962 2011-02-02 21:32:33 <presence> ati+X is involved
1963 2011-02-02 21:32:51 <presence> you cant just boot and be up
1964 2011-02-02 21:33:10 hundfred has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
1965 2011-02-02 21:33:12 <andrew12^mac> or can you? dun dun dun
1966 2011-02-02 21:33:19 <Ljrn900> sipa it sez 'kernel module (fglrx.ko) may be missing or incompatible'
1967 2011-02-02 21:33:52 <sipa> what distro?
1968 2011-02-02 21:34:02 <Ljrn900> gentoo
1969 2011-02-02 21:34:12 <newsham> i can resolve bitcoin.sipa.be but port 80 seems to be a no go
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1971 2011-02-02 21:34:37 <sipa> newsham: seems there is a problem indeed
1972 2011-02-02 21:35:29 <sipa> seems down, ill have a look later
1973 2011-02-02 21:36:25 <newsham> i'll look later too :)
1974 2011-02-02 21:38:05 <Ljrn900> :(
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1977 2011-02-02 21:40:02 <sipa> lyrinstall the latest fglrx drivers manually?
1978 2011-02-02 21:40:09 <sipa> eh
1979 2011-02-02 21:40:22 <sipa> Ljrn900
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1981 2011-02-02 21:53:27 <Ljrn900> sipa impossible
1982 2011-02-02 21:53:42 <Ljrn900> need to build kmod in VE
1983 2011-02-02 21:53:46 <presence> not impossible just annoying as hell
1984 2011-02-02 21:53:54 <sipa> ve?
1985 2011-02-02 21:54:02 <Ljrn900> kernel isnt native
1986 2011-02-02 21:54:09 <Ljrn900> crosscompiled
1987 2011-02-02 21:54:18 <Ljrn900> sipa lxc
1988 2011-02-02 21:55:07 pogden has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1989 2011-02-02 21:56:47 <sipa> i've used gentoo for a few years, but ive no idea what you're talking about
1990 2011-02-02 21:57:15 <Ljrn900> my kernel is cross-compiled. not native
1991 2011-02-02 21:57:26 <presence> why?
1992 2011-02-02 21:58:04 <Ljrn900> required to use all memory
1993 2011-02-02 21:58:46 <sipa> heh
1994 2011-02-02 21:59:08 <Ljrn900> x86 userspace + amd64 kernel
1995 2011-02-02 21:59:25 <sipa> why?
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1997 2011-02-02 22:00:04 <luke-jr> sipa: because amd64 wastes memory
1998 2011-02-02 22:00:10 <sipa> true
1999 2011-02-02 22:00:29 <sipa> but gives you more and larger registers too
2000 2011-02-02 22:00:51 <luke-jr> CPU time is cheaper than memory
2001 2011-02-02 22:01:09 <sipa> anyway, i see where the difficulty comes from
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2003 2011-02-02 22:01:37 <sipa> but it is your own choice
2004 2011-02-02 22:01:50 <presence> hehe
2005 2011-02-02 22:02:00 <presence> save cpu resources, but waste human resources :D
2006 2011-02-02 22:02:13 <presence> well, save computer resources anyway
2007 2011-02-02 22:02:43 <luke-jr> sipa: nothing else has been a problem
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2015 2011-02-02 22:12:00 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, i find it highly unlikely that you're making a good trade off there
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2017 2011-02-02 22:12:55 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: ...
2018 2011-02-02 22:13:42 <phantomcircuit> amd64 instructions are packed, so the only increase in memory usage comes from the actual increase in the size of the memory addresses
2019 2011-02-02 22:14:00 <luke-jr> my old CPU was plenty fast enough, but I had to upgrade due to memory shortage
2020 2011-02-02 22:14:04 <luke-jr> new CPU is like 10 times faster
2021 2011-02-02 22:14:56 <ArtForz> well, at least you can still upgrade memory :P
2022 2011-02-02 22:14:58 <phantomcircuit> almost all new systems come with significant amounts of ram
2023 2011-02-02 22:15:18 <andrew12^mac> hmm
2024 2011-02-02 22:15:27 <andrew12^mac> why does bitcoind fork before it prints 'bitcoind server starting'
2025 2011-02-02 22:15:32 <ArtForz> 16GB is pretty much a hard limit on any desktop AMD box
2026 2011-02-02 22:15:54 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, only on cheap boxes, it's 24 on most
2027 2011-02-02 22:16:19 <ArtForz> errr... how would that work
2028 2011-02-02 22:16:54 <sipa> only 44 bits of physical address?
2029 2011-02-02 22:17:04 <sipa> 34
2030 2011-02-02 22:17:20 <ArtForz> there are no unbuffered 8GB DDR3 modules
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2032 2011-02-02 22:17:35 <ArtForz> = you're stuck with 4*4 max
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2034 2011-02-02 22:17:58 <ArtForz> only option is to either go intel i7 w/ 3-channel memory and 24GB max
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2036 2011-02-02 22:18:28 <luke-jr> I'm not really looking to reinstall my whole system again
2037 2011-02-02 22:18:32 <ArtForz> or get a opteron and use shitloads of registered DDR3
2038 2011-02-02 22:18:58 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, either way i challenge him to use 16GB of ram :|
2039 2011-02-02 22:19:21 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: want to buy me 8 GB more?
2040 2011-02-02 22:20:02 <ArtForz> ~880MB free/buffers/cached, 1.9G swap in use
2041 2011-02-02 22:20:25 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, the hell are you using 8GB of ram with?
2042 2011-02-02 22:20:32 <luke-jr> KDE
2043 2011-02-02 22:20:39 <phantomcircuit> you're full of shit
2044 2011-02-02 22:20:43 <ArtForz> thats on my main work box, 16GB ram
2045 2011-02-02 22:20:58 <phantomcircuit> KDE runs on substantially less than 8GB
2046 2011-02-02 22:21:09 <ArtForz> VMs + shitloads of firefox instances here
2047 2011-02-02 22:21:10 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, vms?
2048 2011-02-02 22:21:13 <phantomcircuit> yes vms
2049 2011-02-02 22:21:48 <ArtForz> also, evince :P
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2051 2011-02-02 22:22:12 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: 18 virtual desktops?
2052 2011-02-02 22:22:15 <ArtForz> evince likes to eat a few GB when you have a lot of PDF docs open
2053 2011-02-02 22:22:29 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, sure but it'll readily swap out
2054 2011-02-02 22:22:35 <ArtForz> yup
2055 2011-02-02 22:25:06 <andrew12^mac> hmm
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2057 2011-02-02 22:28:45 <luke-jr> evince isn't kDE
2058 2011-02-02 22:30:32 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, most of KDE will swap out
2059 2011-02-02 22:30:48 <phantomcircuit> im guessing you're reading the total memory used which includes disk cache
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2061 2011-02-02 22:31:16 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: swap is what makes a system slow
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2063 2011-02-02 22:31:28 <presence> I have 12G ram and no swap
2064 2011-02-02 22:31:34 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, that's an absurdly simplistic view
2065 2011-02-02 22:31:37 <presence> backing store is overrated :D
2066 2011-02-02 22:31:38 <Necr0s> Slow hard drives are what makes a system slow.
2067 2011-02-02 22:31:41 <luke-jr> on my old (64-bit) system, I had 2 GB RAM always occupied, plus 2-3 GB swapped away
2068 2011-02-02 22:32:00 <phantomcircuit> see im currently rebuilding an entire gentoo system in parallel and only using 700MB of ram
2069 2011-02-02 22:32:28 <phantomcircuit> plus an additional 4GB of disk cache
2070 2011-02-02 22:32:28 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: that doesn't use RAM
2071 2011-02-02 22:32:43 <lyspooner> what's the loss of efficiency of slush's pool? ie, if i were to generate on my own with no down time, how much more khash/s can i produce than if i were to pool it with slush?
2072 2011-02-02 22:32:48 <luke-jr> KDE and browsers and lots of GUI apps open, use RAM
2073 2011-02-02 22:32:49 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, go try and link webkit with < 4GB of ram, good luck with that
2074 2011-02-02 22:32:59 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: :)
2075 2011-02-02 22:33:05 <luke-jr> that's a one-time thing
2076 2011-02-02 22:33:21 <tcatm> work with large audiofiles or images and you can fill 8 GB of ram easily
2077 2011-02-02 22:33:22 <phantomcircuit> so what?
2078 2011-02-02 22:34:13 <presence> lyspoon: I havent noticed a difference
2079 2011-02-02 22:34:15 <phantomcircuit> either way using a 32 bit environment to save memory is pretty dumb, you're going to save maybe 5% off the size of the executable image
2080 2011-02-02 22:34:29 <phantomcircuit> which is almost certainly < 0.1% of the total memory consumption
2081 2011-02-02 22:34:39 <slush> lyspooner: it depends on many factors. Primary on your roundtrip to pool
2082 2011-02-02 22:35:30 <lyspooner> slush: how often are you down?
2083 2011-02-02 22:35:39 <slush> lyspooner: typically if you have roundtrip 40ms and you are asking for job every 5000ms, it is 40/5000 %
2084 2011-02-02 22:35:45 <slush> lyspooner: I have >99% uptime
2085 2011-02-02 22:36:02 <slush> but I had some troubles with network in last days
2086 2011-02-02 22:36:19 <slush> which is unfortunately something which I cannot handle with current protocol effectively
2087 2011-02-02 22:37:16 <slush> lyspooner: but afaik, for example Diablo is performing getwork before nonce is out of range, so it improve things a lot
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2091 2011-02-02 22:49:58 <andrew12^mac> hmm
2092 2011-02-02 22:50:09 <andrew12^mac> monitortx and monitorblocks uses JSON-RPC, right?
2093 2011-02-02 22:50:21 <andrew12^mac> like, it'll take the url you give it as an RPC url?
2094 2011-02-02 22:50:24 <sipa> it's part of the rpc api yes
2095 2011-02-02 22:50:30 <sipa> oh yes
2096 2011-02-02 22:50:35 <sipa> it does a json-rpc callback
2097 2011-02-02 22:50:43 <newsham> some info on the mtgox book depth: http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/x/mtgox/bidask.html
2098 2011-02-02 22:50:56 <newsham> (might not work in all browsers, works in chrome)
2099 2011-02-02 22:50:59 <andrew12^mac> because i've had it running for a while and the server hasn't recieved any requests from bitcoind
2100 2011-02-02 22:52:19 <andrew12^mac> and:
2101 2011-02-02 22:52:20 <andrew12^mac> >> b.listmonitored
2102 2011-02-02 22:52:20 <andrew12^mac> => [{"category"=>"block", "url"=>"http://localhost:4567"}, {"category"=>"tx", "url"=>"http://localhost:4567"}]
2103 2011-02-02 22:52:44 <sipa> ;;bc,calcd 1240000 1
2104 2011-02-02 22:52:44 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1240000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 3 seconds
2105 2011-02-02 22:53:41 <andrew12^mac> here's the entire code for the server it's running: http://pastie.org/1523282
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2107 2011-02-02 22:53:51 <andrew12^mac> s/it's/i'm/
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2109 2011-02-02 22:57:00 <andrew12^mac> plus i can call it.. and it works'
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2111 2011-02-02 22:57:58 <sipa> newsham: site should be up again
2112 2011-02-02 22:58:31 <newsham> got it, danke.
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2114 2011-02-02 22:59:32 <sipa> my vps provides was under a ddos attack apparently :S
2115 2011-02-02 23:00:03 <Cusipzzz> sipa: which?
2116 2011-02-02 23:00:14 <sipa> xlshosting.nl
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2124 2011-02-02 23:06:46 <doublec> andrew12: it might not understand ports
2125 2011-02-02 23:08:44 <andrew12> that would be kinda stupid
2126 2011-02-02 23:08:46 <andrew12> heh
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2128 2011-02-02 23:13:47 <andrew12^mac> nope it can
2129 2011-02-02 23:14:23 <andrew12^mac> er
2130 2011-02-02 23:14:24 <andrew12^mac> nevermind
2131 2011-02-02 23:14:49 <andrew12^mac> er, i might be wrong
2132 2011-02-02 23:14:50 <andrew12^mac> haha
2133 2011-02-02 23:15:09 <andrew12^mac> int port = (fSSL ? 443 : 80);
2134 2011-02-02 23:15:10 <andrew12^mac> if (s_port.size() > 1) { port = atoi(s_port.c_str()+1); }
2135 2011-02-02 23:16:50 <andrew12^mac> not sure why atoi accepts : before the number htough
2136 2011-02-02 23:17:02 <andrew12^mac> or what s_port.c_str()+1 means
2137 2011-02-02 23:18:10 <sipa> atoi converts from native byteorder to network byteorder
2138 2011-02-02 23:18:16 <sipa> oh wait
2139 2011-02-02 23:18:23 <sipa> from string to int
2140 2011-02-02 23:18:43 <sipa> so it skips the first
2141 2011-02-02 23:18:47 <andrew12^mac> i might need '/'
2142 2011-02-02 23:19:08 <x6763> a(scii) to i(nt)
2143 2011-02-02 23:19:54 <sipa> andrew12^mac: if s_port.c_str() is ":8333", s_port.c_str()+1 is "8333", and atoi of it is 8333
2144 2011-02-02 23:20:13 <x6763> the ? and : thing is called the ternary operator: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ternary_operation
2145 2011-02-02 23:20:42 <sipa> it's an inline if-then-else
2146 2011-02-02 23:21:26 <newsham> god forbid the code read like it was meant (ie. parseint(skipcolon(s_port))).
2147 2011-02-02 23:22:19 <andrew12^mac> yeah i needed the /
2148 2011-02-02 23:22:58 <andrew12^mac> http://codepad.org/ZTFTwNhe
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2151 2011-02-02 23:28:07 <luke-jr> Puddinpop or m0mchil?
2152 2011-02-02 23:28:29 <andrew12^mac> x6763: I know how that works
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2154 2011-02-02 23:29:08 <sipa> andrew12^mac: looks like no URL was passed
2155 2011-02-02 23:29:19 <sipa> or an empty string as url
2156 2011-02-02 23:29:28 <andrew12^mac> the path was empty
2157 2011-02-02 23:29:51 <andrew12^mac> it was http://localhost:4567 instead of http://localhost:4567/
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2161 2011-02-02 23:32:06 <nanotube> Keefe: btw, that's probably bceur. see http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/List_of_common_currency_abbreviations though being free text it's not that important. :)
2162 2011-02-02 23:32:41 <nanotube> mm wrong chan
2163 2011-02-02 23:32:52 <andrew12^mac> heh
2164 2011-02-02 23:33:13 <andrew12^mac> fixed the path thing in the code: https://github.com/andrew12/bitcoin-git/commit/4beba5e4918694dc7c79fe95a509dd0eb17bde7c
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2168 2011-02-02 23:33:31 <andrew12^mac> can someone verify that i did that right before i send a pull request? :p
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2171 2011-02-02 23:33:54 <x6763> andrew12^mac: ah, sorry, i missed part of the conversation before i jumped in and thought you were talking about something else
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2173 2011-02-02 23:34:30 <andrew12^mac> w00t it works
2174 2011-02-02 23:34:42 <andrew12^mac> {"method"=>"monitorblock", "params"=>[{"hash"=>"00000000000201ce7c401981c4e55d9d6b8fa421fc7a450cb663b987e694ef50", "blockcount"=>105889, "version"=>1, "merkleroot"=>"66f0a97348387279282018b4e86cb8420c89e4d1c3fb8213cd651b6eed368827", "time"=>1296689025, "nonce"=>1719801948, "difficulty"=>22012.4941572, "tx"=>["1bc6d84e192644d3b0e090549bf33279ed491f1672b7d7c77cb0a82ef4977666", "7d74a566c2f3c198cd18e4346c98fa34004c8d74442c
2175 2011-02-02 23:34:51 <andrew12^mac> that showed up :p
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2177 2011-02-02 23:35:23 <sipa> slush: present?
2178 2011-02-02 23:35:58 <slush> sipa: .
2179 2011-02-02 23:36:47 <bk128> so i know there's a link for the gpu client in the MOTD, but does anyone have a more direct link to the actual client download? I tried sifting through that thread but couldn't find it
2180 2011-02-02 23:37:10 <andrew12^mac> bk128: there's more than one gpu client
2181 2011-02-02 23:37:21 <andrew12^mac> well
2182 2011-02-02 23:37:22 <bk128> which one is recommended for macs?
2183 2011-02-02 23:37:31 <davout> gavinandresen: ping
2184 2011-02-02 23:37:32 <sipa> slush: i modified diablo's miner to show rejected shares too, and seems there are quite a lot of rejected ones from our 5970
2185 2011-02-02 23:37:44 <andrew12^mac> bk128: which mac do you have? (like the year etc)
2186 2011-02-02 23:37:49 <sipa> any idea what can be causing this?
2187 2011-02-02 23:38:09 <slush> sipa: what means rejected?
2188 2011-02-02 23:38:37 <slush> sipa: if times fit with new blocks in -monitor, then it is absolutely OK
2189 2011-02-02 23:38:46 <bk128> it's a macbook pro with a core2 duo. video card is a geforce 8600m gt with 256 ram. I also have a win 7 pc with a radeon hd3850 and a intel core2
2190 2011-02-02 23:38:46 <luke-jr> does pyopencl really depend on nVidia CUDA stuff?
2191 2011-02-02 23:39:11 <slush> luke-jr: if you mean ubuntu packages, than yes
2192 2011-02-02 23:39:15 <slush> I don't know how in other distros
2193 2011-02-02 23:39:17 <sipa> slush: i'm talking about 10% rejects or so
2194 2011-02-02 23:39:20 <luke-jr> slush: I mean in reality
2195 2011-02-02 23:39:26 <sipa> or more
2196 2011-02-02 23:39:30 <slush> which username?
2197 2011-02-02 23:39:33 <sipa> shamir
2198 2011-02-02 23:40:11 <slush> is it running now?
2199 2011-02-02 23:40:23 <molecular> luke-jr, on gentoo, unfortunately pyopencl has dpendency on nvidia-drivers
2200 2011-02-02 23:40:40 <luke-jr> molecular: it certainly does not, that
2201 2011-02-02 23:40:44 <sipa> slush: not sure, sec
2202 2011-02-02 23:40:57 <jgarzik> sipa: do the rejects happen around the time a new block appears on the P2P network?
2203 2011-02-02 23:40:57 <luke-jr> just nvidia-cuda-toolkit
2204 2011-02-02 23:41:10 <luke-jr> molecular: you have GPU mining on Gentoo?
2205 2011-02-02 23:41:15 <slush> sipa: I have console open, so run it and I'll see
2206 2011-02-02 23:42:25 <andrew12^mac> bk128: you're gonna want the cuda miner then (though it may not work)
2207 2011-02-02 23:42:31 <andrew12^mac> for the mac
2208 2011-02-02 23:42:41 <andrew12^mac> une moment
2209 2011-02-02 23:42:56 <bk128> andrew12^mac: okay. thanks. and what would you use for the pc with the ati card?
2210 2011-02-02 23:43:07 <bk128> which do you think would get more hash/sec?
2211 2011-02-02 23:43:20 <andrew12^mac> uh
2212 2011-02-02 23:43:26 <andrew12^mac> i have no idea
2213 2011-02-02 23:43:32 <sipa> i compiled pyopencl myself from source
2214 2011-02-02 23:43:34 <andrew12^mac> i have no gpus
2215 2011-02-02 23:43:37 <sipa> worked like a charm
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2217 2011-02-02 23:44:36 <bk128> ok . thanks. is there a link/ guide for cuda miner?
2218 2011-02-02 23:44:36 <andrew12^mac> bk128: i suggest trying each of the gpu miners on http://mining.bitcoin.cz/
2219 2011-02-02 23:44:45 <bk128> ok. thanks andrew
2220 2011-02-02 23:45:20 <andrew12^mac> though http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2444.0 supports cpu mining and gpu, and it has a miner for both cuda and opencl
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2222 2011-02-02 23:45:51 <andrew12^mac> if you read the readme's it's pretty straightforward
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2224 2011-02-02 23:45:58 <luke-jr> sipa: w/o nVidia crap?
2225 2011-02-02 23:46:01 <andrew12^mac> assuming you have an rpc server set up and working
2226 2011-02-02 23:46:04 <sipa> luke-jr: yes
2227 2011-02-02 23:46:12 <andrew12^mac> luke-jr: why do you keep capitalizin the v
2228 2011-02-02 23:46:23 <andrew12^mac> it's either nvidia or Nvidia or NVidia (bad)
2229 2011-02-02 23:46:41 <bk128> andrew12^mac: ok. i'll read this stuff over. thanks again
2230 2011-02-02 23:46:47 <luke-jr> it's nVideous >:D
2231 2011-02-02 23:47:30 <andrew12^mac> that's another joke i don't get
2232 2011-02-02 23:47:42 <andrew12^mac> dammit someone do a tx so i can see if monitortx is working :P
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2234 2011-02-02 23:51:59 <newsham> run two instances of bitcoin (with diff $HOME) and send btc to your other self
2235 2011-02-02 23:52:11 <newsham> then send it back if you want
2236 2011-02-02 23:52:41 <newsham> although i guess you'd have to wait for the thing to sync up all chain blocks first :\
2237 2011-02-02 23:52:49 davout has quit (Quit: sleep is for faggots, but well...)
2238 2011-02-02 23:52:57 <midnightmagic> NVIDIA has requested that the name be all-caps apparently.
2239 2011-02-02 23:53:13 <andrew12^mac> newsham: I can send coins to myself, problem is I can't access my PC right now
2240 2011-02-02 23:53:17 <andrew12^mac> my PC being where i have coins
2241 2011-02-02 23:53:21 <newsham> aha
2242 2011-02-02 23:53:36 <andrew12^mac> newsham: if you send bitcoins to yourself, it's a transaction
2243 2011-02-02 23:53:45 <andrew12^mac> it'll show up in #bitcoin-monitor and everything
2244 2011-02-02 23:53:45 <newsham> i'll send you 0.01btc now if you send me 0.2btc later :)
2245 2011-02-02 23:53:50 <andrew12^mac> heh
2246 2011-02-02 23:54:00 <newsham> send me yer addr if you want me to send btc to it
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2248 2011-02-02 23:54:17 <andrew12^mac> how about you send 0.01 now and i send 0.01 back? :p
2249 2011-02-02 23:54:25 <newsham> *shrug* dont sweat it.. just gimme addr
2250 2011-02-02 23:54:33 * andrew12^mac waits patiently for client to open
2251 2011-02-02 23:54:39 <andrew12^mac> actually
2252 2011-02-02 23:54:55 <andrew12^mac> 'derp thats right i have a vps now
2253 2011-02-02 23:54:56 <andrew12^mac> 'derp thats right i have a vps now'
2254 2011-02-02 23:55:08 <andrew12^mac> 1MosHywfS1JP6mWvCfUmi9CMiK62H2x2Rv
2255 2011-02-02 23:55:31 <doublec> I never knew about #bitcoin-monitor. So many interesting bitcoin channels.
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2257 2011-02-02 23:55:47 <midnightmagic> i wonder how much effort goes into searching through keyspace which is based on an out-of-date head block.
2258 2011-02-02 23:56:06 <newsham> sent. did you see it?
2259 2011-02-02 23:56:06 <andrew12^mac> doublec: /msg alis list #bitcoin*
2260 2011-02-02 23:56:26 <luke-jr> well, pyopencl doesn't build for me without nVidia crap
2261 2011-02-02 23:56:28 <andrew12^mac> no :|
2262 2011-02-02 23:56:57 <luke-jr> /msg alis list #bitcoin*
2263 2011-02-02 23:57:12 <newsham> oops, it says payment to yourself.. i probably pasted the wrong addr :)
2264 2011-02-02 23:57:15 <newsham> will try again
2265 2011-02-02 23:57:19 <andrew12^mac> heh
2266 2011-02-02 23:57:32 <newsham> ok, sent again.
2267 2011-02-02 23:57:35 <andrew12^mac> if you can add nodes, try adding 68.68.16.43
2268 2011-02-02 23:57:38 <newsham> i hate how X hsa two paste buffers.
2269 2011-02-02 23:57:40 <andrew12^mac> there it is
2270 2011-02-02 23:57:59 <andrew12^mac> hmmm
2271 2011-02-02 23:58:04 <andrew12^mac> monitortx doesn't do every transaction like i had hopes
2272 2011-02-02 23:58:07 <andrew12^mac> hoped*
2273 2011-02-02 23:58:13 <andrew12^mac> just ones it recieves
2274 2011-02-02 23:58:52 <andrew12^mac> here's what I got though: http://pastie.org/1523414
2275 2011-02-02 23:58:55 <newsham> the p2p network isnt guaranteed to send them all out i guess?
2276 2011-02-02 23:59:28 <andrew12^mac> newsham: it's the way monitortx works
2277 2011-02-02 23:59:35 <andrew12^mac> newsham: anyways, what's your address?
2278 2011-02-02 23:59:50 <newsham> 1TmK4hmbyH2AhwTATyoGcMxJH3Db9ohgB