1 2011-02-09 00:02:02 <eureka^> http://pics.spaceghetto.st/images/3umry.jpg
   2 2011-02-09 00:02:07 <eureka^> this isn't the right channel
   3 2011-02-09 00:02:08 <eureka^> oops
   4 2011-02-09 00:02:39 <hacim> whoa
   5 2011-02-09 00:02:43 <hacim> pool had a 7 second run
   6 2011-02-09 00:02:45 <Netsniper> eureka^: i liked the pic even without the caption
   7 2011-02-09 00:02:46 <hacim> i got 3 shares
   8 2011-02-09 00:02:50 <hacim> and no reward
   9 2011-02-09 00:03:03 <eureka^> Netsniper; i had a version without the caption but i lost the link
  10 2011-02-09 00:03:27 <hacim> and then a two minute round with 850 shares, but a .17 reward
  11 2011-02-09 00:04:06 <hacim> is the pool doing something weird?
  12 2011-02-09 00:04:29 <slush> hacim: why?
  13 2011-02-09 00:04:41 <slush> it was normal block
  14 2011-02-09 00:04:46 <slush> just pretty short :)
  15 2011-02-09 00:05:10 <slush> hacim: 3 shares for this block? No, it is TOTAL SHARES for this round :-D
  16 2011-02-09 00:05:11 <hacim> slush: last time there was a short block, I had only 128 shares, but my payout was .7, which is a pretty big difference
  17 2011-02-09 00:06:01 <slush> hacim: that's how much shares was needed for pool, that's not your sahres
  18 2011-02-09 00:06:02 <slush> shares
  19 2011-02-09 00:06:37 <Netsniper> eureka^: methinks i first saw it on reuters
  20 2011-02-09 00:07:00 <hacim> slush: oh ok that makes sense. i'm still trying to figure out why my 7day average is dropping
  21 2011-02-09 00:07:09 <cosurgi> heh. If people will really start using bitcoins, then 8 decimal places might not be enough.
  22 2011-02-09 00:07:17 <hacim> i was getting .5/.6 per round before, now I'm down to .4
  23 2011-02-09 00:07:29 <slush> hacim: difficulty?
  24 2011-02-09 00:07:39 <slush> oh, so
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  26 2011-02-09 00:07:49 <slush> you are talking about reward per round
  27 2011-02-09 00:08:02 <hacim> yeah
  28 2011-02-09 00:08:03 <slush> but pool hashrate is rising and round are shorter
  29 2011-02-09 00:08:06 <cosurgi> 21e6 bitcoins divided for whole current world population of 6.79e9 gives: 21e6/6.79e9=0.00309278 BTC per person.
  30 2011-02-09 00:08:33 <slush> hacim: so that's normal. When pool started, I had 13 btc per round with single 5970
  31 2011-02-09 00:08:46 <slush> now have < 4btc with 4x5970
  32 2011-02-09 00:09:29 <hacim> hm
  33 2011-02-09 00:09:33 <slush> hacim: so only one number is really important - 7day moving average of your daily rewards
  34 2011-02-09 00:09:52 <slush> and yes, with the same hw, it is dropping a little bit every week
  35 2011-02-09 00:10:08 <hacim> going down by .1 btc seems quite quick
  36 2011-02-09 00:10:25 <slush> hacim: you're talking about round reward or daily reward?
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  38 2011-02-09 00:11:21 <hacim> slush: the block history chart in 'statistics'... i'm guessing you are calling that the 'round reward'?
  39 2011-02-09 00:11:35 <slush> no, in graphs
  40 2011-02-09 00:11:38 <cosurgi> hacim: round reward doesn't matter, look at daily rewards. With more power rounds are shorter, and reward is equally smaller.
  41 2011-02-09 00:12:08 <slush> hacim: move mouse to points on your daily reward graph...
  42 2011-02-09 00:12:08 <cosurgi> hacim: more people join, and there's more power. But daily you still get the same.
  43 2011-02-09 00:12:22 <hacim> alright, well my daily reward has gone from 17 to 13 in 3 days
  44 2011-02-09 00:12:37 <cosurgi> but lok at the average
  45 2011-02-09 00:12:38 <slush> hacim: and you also have to look at system daily reward
  46 2011-02-09 00:12:47 <cosurgi> daily there's randomness involved.
  47 2011-02-09 00:12:52 <slush> if whole pool was unlucky, you have also smaller reward
  48 2011-02-09 00:13:05 <hacim> yeah
  49 2011-02-09 00:13:22 <slush> hacim: randomness is pretty visible on system daily reward
  50 2011-02-09 00:13:26 <slush> yellow versus blue line
  51 2011-02-09 00:13:34 <hacim> i guess I'm still trying to reconcile why I am getting 2btc less than I should based on my hardware and current difficulty
  52 2011-02-09 00:13:49 <hacim> yeah, i see that, that makes sense
  53 2011-02-09 00:13:51 <cosurgi> give it a chance and wait
  54 2011-02-09 00:13:54 <slush> how much % it is?
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  56 2011-02-09 00:14:36 <cosurgi> hacim: your average should be 15 per day?
  57 2011-02-09 00:15:01 <slush> still don't forget that block calculator is _teoretic_ reward. Whole stack is such complicated and I doubt anybody can reach teoretic reward even with standalone mining
  58 2011-02-09 00:15:15 <cosurgi> hacim: if yes, then 17 and 13 gives 15 in average, so it's correct.
  59 2011-02-09 00:15:33 <cosurgi> and yeah, this calculator wasn't verified explicitly.
  60 2011-02-09 00:15:44 <slush> for example, there is every week some improvement in miner and so, all of this affect real mining reward
  61 2011-02-09 00:16:12 <hacim> cosurgi: no, my 7 day average should be 15
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  63 2011-02-09 00:17:14 <hacim> i do understand now why my daily reward might fluctuate so much
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  66 2011-02-09 00:19:21 <slush> well, I doubt that real mining has 100% efficiency from teoretical calculation. And because it cannot be even >100%, it must be something under 100% :)
  67 2011-02-09 00:19:53 <slush> but it is only more visible on pool than on standalone mining
  68 2011-02-09 00:20:47 <slush> yes, known issue is getwork & network overhead, but it should be only single %
  69 2011-02-09 00:22:20 <afed> four gpus now 8D
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  71 2011-02-09 00:35:35 <tcatm> ;;bc,blocks
  72 2011-02-09 00:35:35 <gribble> 106982
  73 2011-02-09 00:47:58 <presence> ;;bc,calc 2980000
  74 2011-02-09 00:47:59 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 2980000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 10 hours, 24 minutes, and 29 seconds
  75 2011-02-09 00:48:10 <presence> ;;bc,calc 298000
  76 2011-02-09 00:48:11 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 298000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 4 days, 8 hours, 4 minutes, and 58 seconds
  77 2011-02-09 00:48:12 <presence> damnit
  78 2011-02-09 00:48:17 <presence> I almost crapped myself
  79 2011-02-09 00:49:05 <da2ce7> ;;bc,calc 500000
  80 2011-02-09 00:49:06 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 500000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 2 days, 14 hours, 2 minutes, and 0 seconds
  81 2011-02-09 00:51:29 <andrew12> ;;bc,calcd 600 1
  82 2011-02-09 00:51:29 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 600 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 1 hour, 59 minutes, and 18 seconds
  83 2011-02-09 00:52:17 <da2ce7> ;;bc,calc 1000 1
  84 2011-02-09 00:52:17 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
  85 2011-02-09 00:52:24 <da2ce7> ;;bc,calcd 1000 1
  86 2011-02-09 00:52:24 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 1 hour, 11 minutes, and 34 seconds
  87 2011-02-09 00:53:00 <da2ce7> ;;bc,calcd 500000 10000
  88 2011-02-09 00:53:00 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 500000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 10000, is 23 hours, 51 minutes, and 39 seconds
  89 2011-02-09 00:53:21 <da2ce7> ;;bc,calcd 500000 100000
  90 2011-02-09 00:53:21 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 500000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 100000, is 1 week, 2 days, 22 hours, 36 minutes, and 33 seconds
  91 2011-02-09 00:53:41 <da2ce7> ;;bc,calcd 500000 10000000
  92 2011-02-09 00:53:42 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 500000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 10000000, is 2 years, 37 weeks, 5 days, 4 hours, 55 minutes, and 45 seconds
  93 2011-02-09 00:56:20 <andrew12> da2ce7: /query gribble
  94 2011-02-09 00:56:26 <andrew12> :P
  95 2011-02-09 00:57:19 <dissipate> is it possible that if they dropped the necessary hash value to near 0 difficulty level would be astronomically difficult?
  96 2011-02-09 00:57:57 <tcatm> that's a lot of hashing power :)
  97 2011-02-09 00:58:00 <dissipate> e.g. find the nonce that generates a hash of 1
  98 2011-02-09 00:58:45 <andrew12> yes, it would
  99 2011-02-09 00:59:35 <andrew12> dissipate: smaller target = higher difficulty
 100 2011-02-09 00:59:42 <andrew12> ;;bc,target
 101 2011-02-09 00:59:42 <gribble> Error: "bc,target" is not a valid command.
 102 2011-02-09 00:59:45 <andrew12> hm
 103 2011-02-09 00:59:49 <andrew12> ;;bc,hextarget
 104 2011-02-09 00:59:49 <gribble> 0000000000028552000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
 105 2011-02-09 00:59:51 <andrew12> that
 106 2011-02-09 01:00:12 <andrew12> if a hash is less than that number, it's a valid block
 107 2011-02-09 01:00:45 <andrew12> in decimal that's 1036989760889350435547200084292752907272941324136347429599444992, not that it matters
 108 2011-02-09 01:01:50 <Diablo-D3> THIS IS A TEST OF THE EMERGENCY SYSTEM
 109 2011-02-09 01:02:15 * Diablo-D3 listens to R.O.D-THE TV- O.S.T. DISK A - R.O.D no Theme -Public Pressure Version-
 110 2011-02-09 01:02:36 <andrew12> hit it with a hammer
 111 2011-02-09 01:03:05 purpleposeidon has quit (Quit: -)
 112 2011-02-09 01:03:53 <tcatm> the maximum difficulty bitcoin supports is 2^31
 113 2011-02-09 01:04:15 <tcatm> after that it will crash because of division by zero
 114 2011-02-09 01:04:20 <andrew12> hehe
 115 2011-02-09 01:04:29 <Diablo-D3> tcatm: erm
 116 2011-02-09 01:04:31 <da2ce7> lol
 117 2011-02-09 01:04:34 <andrew12> 2147483648
 118 2011-02-09 01:04:42 purpleposeidon has joined
 119 2011-02-09 01:04:42 <Diablo-D3> oh you mean as in bitcoin difficulty
 120 2011-02-09 01:04:46 <Diablo-D3> not as in the actual target
 121 2011-02-09 01:04:50 <tcatm> yep
 122 2011-02-09 01:04:53 <Diablo-D3> because we're WAY past H==0
 123 2011-02-09 01:04:56 <da2ce7> ;;bc,calcd 500000  2147483648
 124 2011-02-09 01:04:56 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 500000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 2147483648, is 584 years, 49 weeks, 0 days, 23 hours, 34 minutes, and 33 seconds
 125 2011-02-09 01:05:21 <midnightmagic> effectively outside of the realm of possibility.
 126 2011-02-09 01:05:22 <tcatm> 2^193 is the lowest possible target
 127 2011-02-09 01:05:43 <Diablo-D3> yeah I doubt we'll hit 2^31 anyhow
 128 2011-02-09 01:05:49 <Diablo-D3> unless Art manages to make his kernel faster
 129 2011-02-09 01:05:56 <Diablo-D3> so we do like 50ghash on a TI89
 130 2011-02-09 01:05:59 <tcatm> the div-by-zero is only in the function to calculate difficulty without handling large numbers and could be fixed
 131 2011-02-09 01:05:59 <midnightmagic> ah haw.. ah haw.. :)
 132 2011-02-09 01:06:30 <andrew12> tcatm: why 2000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000?
 133 2011-02-09 01:06:38 <andrew12> (hexuhdecimull)
 134 2011-02-09 01:07:51 * Diablo-D3 listens to Basement Jaxx - Good Luck feat. Lisa Kekaula
 135 2011-02-09 01:08:37 <tcatm> so limit is approx. 15.36 peta hashes/s
 136 2011-02-09 01:08:45 <Diablo-D3> we're not even close
 137 2011-02-09 01:09:26 <da2ce7> well, the network needs only to be < 100K times larger till we hit the devide by 0 crash
 138 2011-02-09 01:09:27 <tcatm> or 23e9 5970s
 139 2011-02-09 01:09:42 <Diablo-D3> whats the whole network? a quarter of a terahash?
 140 2011-02-09 01:10:29 <tcatm> ~200Ghash/s
 141 2011-02-09 01:10:41 <Diablo-D3> I was right
 142 2011-02-09 01:10:52 <tcatm> actually a little more now
 143 2011-02-09 01:10:59 <da2ce7> so what is the max max difficulty? if we fix up the devide by 0?
 144 2011-02-09 01:11:41 <tcatm> 1.35e67
 145 2011-02-09 01:12:00 Necr0s has joined
 146 2011-02-09 01:12:25 <andrew12> 2^32
 147 2011-02-09 01:12:35 <tcatm> or 9.65e73 hashes per second
 148 2011-02-09 01:12:35 <Necr0s> 33554432
 149 2011-02-09 01:12:43 <Necr0s> er...nm.
 150 2011-02-09 01:12:45 <andrew12> ;;calc 2^32
 151 2011-02-09 01:12:45 <gribble> 2^32 = 4,294,967,296
 152 2011-02-09 01:12:54 <andrew12> ;;calc 2^31
 153 2011-02-09 01:12:54 <gribble> 2^31 = 2,147,483,648
 154 2011-02-09 01:12:57 <andrew12> heh
 155 2011-02-09 01:13:00 <Necr0s> ;;calc 2^23
 156 2011-02-09 01:13:01 <gribble> 2^23 = 8,388,608
 157 2011-02-09 01:13:07 <Necr0s> ;;calc 2^22
 158 2011-02-09 01:13:07 <gribble> 2^22 = 4,194,304
 159 2011-02-09 01:13:17 <tcatm> or about 1.46e65 5970s
 160 2011-02-09 01:13:21 <Necr0s> ;;calc 2^25
 161 2011-02-09 01:13:22 <gribble> 2^25 = 33,554,432
 162 2011-02-09 01:13:26 <Necr0s> that's the one
 163 2011-02-09 01:13:30 <tcatm> I don't think so many GPUs will ever exist
 164 2011-02-09 01:13:37 <andrew12> Necr0s: /query gribble
 165 2011-02-09 01:13:45 <Necr0s> right-o
 166 2011-02-09 01:13:54 <tcatm> At least not until we add cross-universum support to bitcoin
 167 2011-02-09 01:14:02 <andrew12> haha
 168 2011-02-09 01:14:21 <andrew12> and by then we'll have gpus 1000x faster than the 5970
 169 2011-02-09 01:14:26 <andrew12> or will we? dun dun
 170 2011-02-09 01:14:31 <Necr0s> QPUs.
 171 2011-02-09 01:14:42 dukeleto has quit (Excess Flood)
 172 2011-02-09 01:14:44 <andrew12> yes
 173 2011-02-09 01:14:56 <andrew12> *faster* than the speed of light
 174 2011-02-09 01:14:59 <tcatm> Even if they are 1000x faster we'd still need 1.45e62 of them
 175 2011-02-09 01:15:06 * jgarzik waits for someone to do a variant w/ sha512 and some signature algorithm other than ECDSA
 176 2011-02-09 01:15:11 <da2ce7> well, with current process tech, it works out to be about 1W per 1GHash/s as the best possible
 177 2011-02-09 01:15:16 dukeleto has joined
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 179 2011-02-09 01:15:45 <tcatm> What's the total energy available in the whole universe?
 180 2011-02-09 01:16:00 <andrew12> energy cannot be created nor destroyed
 181 2011-02-09 01:16:12 dukeleto has joined
 182 2011-02-09 01:16:52 <x6763> E=mc^2...wouldn't plugging in the mass of the entire universe give you the answer?
 183 2011-02-09 01:17:06 <x6763> lol
 184 2011-02-09 01:17:07 <tcatm> What's the total amount of energy we can convert to heat using logic gates? :)
 185 2011-02-09 01:17:11 <andrew12> but what's the mass of the entire universe?
 186 2011-02-09 01:17:15 <x6763> no idea
 187 2011-02-09 01:17:50 <da2ce7> hmm, well the sun is 3.6e26 W
 188 2011-02-09 01:18:29 <slush> will be possible to run 2x bitcoin gui on .20?
 189 2011-02-09 01:18:35 <slush> with -nolisten and another datadir
 190 2011-02-09 01:18:38 <tcatm> Mining one block at highest difficulty would need 5.79e43 YJ
 191 2011-02-09 01:18:52 <tcatm> Assuming we actually find it after 10 minutes
 192 2011-02-09 01:19:43 <da2ce7> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=5.79e43+YJ
 193 2011-02-09 01:20:47 <tcatm> So we can mine one block? :)
 194 2011-02-09 01:21:08 <da2ce7> er, 35 blocks it seems like.
 195 2011-02-09 01:21:22 <tcatm> Oh true.
 196 2011-02-09 01:21:47 <tcatm> Now we'd need to calculate how much energy is needed to calculate the previous blocks
 197 2011-02-09 01:21:57 <da2ce7> lol
 198 2011-02-09 01:22:17 <tcatm> And how many bitcoins the block will be worth
 199 2011-02-09 01:22:22 <da2ce7> well then we need to take into account the ammout of energey required to make the chips.
 200 2011-02-09 01:22:32 <tcatm> Might be less than 1e-8 BTC :/
 201 2011-02-09 01:23:16 <tcatm> slush: just checked the code. Should be possible in .20
 202 2011-02-09 01:23:33 <slush> great! Looking forward it. Will be every day, right?
 203 2011-02-09 01:23:49 <tcatm> We just need someone who can do windows builds
 204 2011-02-09 01:24:02 <tcatm> code is already in SVN and won't change anymore
 205 2011-02-09 01:24:16 <luke-jr> what's the channel for that new pay-before-it-finds-a-block pool?
 206 2011-02-09 01:24:22 <x6763> so a 0.3.20 release is coming soon?
 207 2011-02-09 01:24:26 <slush> what is needed to build on win? Is some guide somewhere?
 208 2011-02-09 01:24:41 <da2ce7> who is signing the 0.3.20 if the big man isn't arround?
 209 2011-02-09 01:24:42 <andrew12> build-msw.txt
 210 2011-02-09 01:24:46 <tcatm> x6763: yep
 211 2011-02-09 01:24:49 <tcatm> da2ce7: probably gavin
 212 2011-02-09 01:24:51 <OneFixt> luke-jr: #bitcoin-bitpenny
 213 2011-02-09 01:26:01 <da2ce7> so we get a pgp sign of the git hash?
 214 2011-02-09 01:26:05 <tcatm> slush: there's build-msw.txt
 215 2011-02-09 01:26:19 <poseidon> how do I know if bitcoin is running?  I just started it up for the first time
 216 2011-02-09 01:26:50 <tcatm> da2ce7: no idea...
 217 2011-02-09 01:26:51 <andrew12> poseidon: bitcoind?
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 219 2011-02-09 01:28:24 <poseidon> andrew12: using the gui right now.  Will switch to bitcoind later
 220 2011-02-09 01:28:41 <andrew12> poseidon: if you're using the gui you should get a window
 221 2011-02-09 01:30:12 <poseidon> andrew12: I have a gui window up.  What is supposed to happen though?
 222 2011-02-09 01:31:06 <andrew12> poseidon: well you should start seeing the block number go up.. you're ready to send and recieve transactions once the number is the same as the one reported by ,,bc,blocks
 223 2011-02-09 01:31:06 <gribble> 106987
 224 2011-02-09 01:32:11 <sgornick> andrew12: Well, he can receive with the address shown right away, correct?
 225 2011-02-09 01:32:41 <andrew12> sgornick: yeah, but it won't be valid until after he gets all of the blocks, as well as 6 new ones
 226 2011-02-09 01:32:57 <andrew12> there's probably a guide somewhere on the wiki
 227 2011-02-09 01:33:06 <andrew12> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Getting_started
 228 2011-02-09 01:34:50 <poseidon> andrew12: in at the bottom it says that I'm not connected
 229 2011-02-09 01:34:54 prax has quit ()
 230 2011-02-09 01:35:06 <andrew12> poseidon: ah, you'll have to wait a while before you start getting connected to nodes.
 231 2011-02-09 01:35:15 <andrew12> poseidon: it will help if you forward port 8333 on your router
 232 2011-02-09 01:35:30 <andrew12> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Getting_started
 233 2011-02-09 01:35:34 <andrew12> go there.
 234 2011-02-09 01:35:45 <poseidon> andrew12: unfortunately I'm in the dorms and can't forward the port
 235 2011-02-09 01:36:11 <dirtyfilthy> i've just discovered androids 16 meg heap limit heh :/
 236 2011-02-09 01:36:38 <andrew12> poseidon: that's fine. does your school allow outgoing connections on things other than http? (i'm assuming so because you
 237 2011-02-09 01:36:38 <doublec> android apps have a 16mb heap limit?
 238 2011-02-09 01:36:42 <andrew12> 're on irc)
 239 2011-02-09 01:36:43 <dirtyfilthy> yah
 240 2011-02-09 01:36:59 <dirtyfilthy> i think it might be higher on some high end phones maybe
 241 2011-02-09 01:37:11 <doublec> it'd have to be. firefox on android uses much more than that.
 242 2011-02-09 01:37:30 <dirtyfilthy> there are ways around it like mmapped files
 243 2011-02-09 01:38:08 <poseidon> andrew12: yes.  Well they didn't let anything outgoing above 80 until I petitioned the school.  (as my home server isp doesn't allow me to have incoming ports open on anything below 80)
 244 2011-02-09 01:38:51 <andrew12> poseidon: i'd get yourself a vps :P
 245 2011-02-09 01:39:34 <doublec> bitcoin is a pyramid scheme invented by vps resellers to get you to buy vps' to run it - and then pay in bitcoins
 246 2011-02-09 01:39:44 <andrew12> precisely
 247 2011-02-09 01:39:51 <tcatm> mhm which commit was 0.3.16?
 248 2011-02-09 01:40:30 <poseidon> andrew12: I got an account on the research cluster that I use.  I use my server at home to host a website (forum) for me and five close friends in different universities, and to torrent move... errr, linux distos
 249 2011-02-09 01:40:31 <andrew12> github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin needs tags
 250 2011-02-09 01:40:46 <andrew12> poseidon: haha
 251 2011-02-09 01:41:28 <poseidon> in fact I hope that I don't get yelled at for running bitcoin on the research cluster (as well as irc and everything else)
 252 2011-02-09 01:41:42 <da2ce7> use tor, no need to port forward
 253 2011-02-09 01:41:44 <andrew12> use tor :P
 254 2011-02-09 01:41:51 <andrew12> damn da2ce7 :P
 255 2011-02-09 01:42:12 <poseidon> yes, but they will throttle my bandwidth.  I have to use the dorm internet since I'm a freshman
 256 2011-02-09 01:42:47 <da2ce7> lol, tor don't need much bandwith... just use tor with bitcoin.
 257 2011-02-09 01:42:52 * andrew12 screams "freshman!" like everyone else even though he's a freshman himself (though in highschool)
 258 2011-02-09 01:43:25 <da2ce7> I'm a old person
 259 2011-02-09 01:43:30 <doublec> me too
 260 2011-02-09 01:43:35 lfm has joined
 261 2011-02-09 01:45:41 <andrew12> poseidon: what os are you on?
 262 2011-02-09 01:46:27 <poseidon> depends...  I'm sshed into the research cluster at my university which runs centos.  However, I'm running archlinux on my laptop
 263 2011-02-09 01:47:02 <andrew12> ah
 264 2011-02-09 01:47:18 <poseidon> my home server also runsh arch
 265 2011-02-09 01:47:20 <poseidon> *runs
 266 2011-02-09 01:47:45 <da2ce7> what are you planning to do with bitcoin?  If just to manage coins, check out mybitcoin.com
 267 2011-02-09 01:47:50 <andrew12> try running bitcoin (or bitcoind) on your laptop with -addnode=68.68.16.43 (which is my vps)
 268 2011-02-09 01:49:19 <CyanDynamo> http://www.newkindofmind.com/2009/12/individualism-and-collectivism-false.html
 269 2011-02-09 01:50:00 <da2ce7> happy day, I'm off, I hope that your bitcoins can buy you all the blowjobs you ever wanted, and more :D
 270 2011-02-09 01:50:16 <andrew12> o_o
 271 2011-02-09 01:53:27 <CyanDynamo> lol
 272 2011-02-09 01:53:32 <CyanDynamo> a nice sentiment
 273 2011-02-09 01:54:08 <andrew12> no comment
 274 2011-02-09 01:56:46 <poseidon> andrew12: thanks.  My block count is going up way faster now.
 275 2011-02-09 01:56:46 <dissipate> i want an app to get all 21 million bitcoins in my wallet within 24 hours.
 276 2011-02-09 01:56:55 <andrew12> poseidon: :)
 277 2011-02-09 01:57:26 <andrew12> poseidon: how many connections do you have now?
 278 2011-02-09 01:57:46 <poseidon> lol, 1
 279 2011-02-09 01:58:00 <andrew12> heh
 280 2011-02-09 01:58:05 <citiz3n> what does the -v -w 128 do on m0mchil's?
 281 2011-02-09 01:58:09 <citiz3n> and -f?
 282 2011-02-09 01:58:31 <andrew12> i wish i could answer
 283 2011-02-09 02:00:56 <tcatm> citiz3n: do you know how opencl is executed in GPU?
 284 2011-02-09 02:01:42 <tcatm> if not: -w 128 or -w 64 tweaks the kernel to better fit into the GPU and -f makes your desktop more responsive
 285 2011-02-09 02:02:17 <citiz3n> ahh
 286 2011-02-09 02:02:24 <citiz3n> and the lower the -f number
 287 2011-02-09 02:02:26 <citiz3n> the more responsive?
 288 2011-02-09 02:02:28 <lfm> -v was for vector mode but I thot it was dropped
 289 2011-02-09 02:02:46 <tcatm> citiz3n: higher -f => more responsive (and slower hashrate)
 290 2011-02-09 02:02:54 prax has joined
 291 2011-02-09 02:03:00 <andrew12> huh
 292 2011-02-09 02:03:13 <andrew12> apparently i generated like 6 testnet blocks last night. had no idea. haha
 293 2011-02-09 02:03:13 <citiz3n> interesting, is it almost like a process priority setting
 294 2011-02-09 02:04:05 <tcatm> -f is something like block GPU for 1/f seconds intervals
 295 2011-02-09 02:04:13 <andrew12> anyone know if http://freebitcoins.appspot.com/TEST/ is using the .3.20 testnet?
 296 2011-02-09 02:04:24 <citiz3n> ah so it will affect hashrate constantly then
 297 2011-02-09 02:04:36 <tcatm> andrew12: you should have received 314.15  testbtc :)
 298 2011-02-09 02:04:50 <andrew12> indeed i did
 299 2011-02-09 02:04:57 <citiz3n> congrats ;D
 300 2011-02-09 02:04:58 <andrew12> hm
 301 2011-02-09 02:05:16 <citiz3n> put them away for a rainy day
 302 2011-02-09 02:05:28 <andrew12> wonder if it'd be worth it to make some sort of thing to show my transactons on testnet
 303 2011-02-09 02:05:37 <andrew12> via html table
 304 2011-02-09 02:05:44 <tcatm> but yeah, looks like testfaucet uses new testnet
 305 2011-02-09 02:05:46 <andrew12> rather than ugly json
 306 2011-02-09 02:05:50 <andrew12> tcatm: ok cool
 307 2011-02-09 02:05:57 <tcatm> andrew12: js-remote? :D
 308 2011-02-09 02:06:10 <citiz3n> how many tbtc does the testfaucet give ya?
 309 2011-02-09 02:06:10 <andrew12> tcatm: i wanted to have it so other people could see it too :P
 310 2011-02-09 02:06:24 <tcatm> make js-remote public accessible
 311 2011-02-09 02:06:26 <andrew12> citiz3n: as many as you want
 312 2011-02-09 02:06:30 <andrew12> tcatm: i guess that works
 313 2011-02-09 02:06:34 <tcatm> citiz3n: 50 per request
 314 2011-02-09 02:07:24 <citiz3n> crap, my server froze again
 315 2011-02-09 02:08:17 <citiz3n> i might have a bad GPU :(
 316 2011-02-09 02:08:23 <andrew12> wee
 317 2011-02-09 02:08:27 <andrew12> sent all my test coins to the test faucet
 318 2011-02-09 02:09:08 <citiz3n> i bet a lot of people do that
 319 2011-02-09 02:09:19 <andrew12> of course
 320 2011-02-09 02:09:24 <citiz3n> must be like a tbtc recirculating utility :)
 321 2011-02-09 02:09:34 <doublec> you'll regret it when the test network becomes more popular than the real one...
 322 2011-02-09 02:10:07 <tcatm> no problem. we'll just reset it again
 323 2011-02-09 02:10:09 <lfm> doublec: so you are hoarding testbitcoins?
 324 2011-02-09 02:10:16 <citiz3n> i don't see any other choice but to swap out these video cards and see if that solves the problem
 325 2011-02-09 02:10:17 <doublec> you'll be despairing over the number of pizza's you could have bought with tbtc in 6 months time
 326 2011-02-09 02:10:21 <citiz3n> brb
 327 2011-02-09 02:10:34 <doublec> lfm: no :)
 328 2011-02-09 02:11:06 <luke-jr> hmm
 329 2011-02-09 02:11:08 <andrew12> wow
 330 2011-02-09 02:11:14 <luke-jr> so I mined 2 blocks on Testnet in like 2 minutes
 331 2011-02-09 02:11:18 <luke-jr> I guess the miner is working
 332 2011-02-09 02:11:23 <luke-jr> just difficulty is simply too high
 333 2011-02-09 02:11:30 <tcatm> okay, so let's do this: I'll pay 10000 test btc for a pizza delivered to me
 334 2011-02-09 02:11:37 <andrew12> my vps can't handle sending all the blocks to 1 node
 335 2011-02-09 02:12:19 <andrew12> poseidon: how many blocks do you have now?
 336 2011-02-09 02:12:23 <doublec> someone should set up an exchange for test net coins
 337 2011-02-09 02:12:34 <doublec> it'd be interesting to see if it got any clients
 338 2011-02-09 02:12:47 <andrew12> doublec: it's called the faucet :P
 339 2011-02-09 02:12:47 lolcat has joined
 340 2011-02-09 02:12:54 <lolcat> What is the price of bitcoin today?
 341 2011-02-09 02:13:06 <tcatm> I sold 40k old testbtc for 20 btc once
 342 2011-02-09 02:13:06 <andrew12> lolcat: depends what you mean
 343 2011-02-09 02:13:11 <andrew12> ;;bc,mtgox
 344 2011-02-09 02:13:12 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.918,"low":0.8617,"vol":7330,"buy":0.8721,"sell":0.9049,"last":0.8721}}
 345 2011-02-09 02:13:13 <tcatm> ;;bc,markets
 346 2011-02-09 02:13:15 <gribble> bcEUR: 0.6358 (2.0369 BTC) 0.635821/0.8 | bcLREUR: 0.7 (16 BTC) 0.62/0.7 | bcLRUSD: 0.85 (249 BTC) 0.87/0.9167 | bcmLRUSD: 0.41 (500 BTC) 0.5/1 | bcmPPUSD: 0.89 (500 BTC) 0.87/0.89 | bcmPXGAU: 0.02 (400 BTC) 0.0046/None | btcexJPY: 0.0001 (0.03 BTC) None/None | btcexRUB: 27.3 (0.22 BTC) None/None | btcexWMR: 100 (1.08 BTC) None/None | mtgoxUSD: 0.8721 (417.438 BTC) 0.8721/0.9049
 347 2011-02-09 02:13:20 <lolcat> Nooo!
 348 2011-02-09 02:13:25 <lolcat> It is too expencive, dammit
 349 2011-02-09 02:13:31 <andrew12> expensive*
 350 2011-02-09 02:13:52 <doublec> lolcat: tcatm will sell you 10,000 testnet coins for a pizza if you want something cheaper
 351 2011-02-09 02:15:36 <lolcat> I regret not making myself poor to buy bitcoins
 352 2011-02-09 02:15:44 <tcatm> if that works I'll mine another 10k testcoins
 353 2011-02-09 02:15:49 <lolcat> Unfortunatly my computer is dead, and my bitcoins are on that...
 354 2011-02-09 02:15:50 <tcatm> only takes ~7 minutes on my cluster
 355 2011-02-09 02:16:29 <poseidon> andrew12: I have 82000 and 2 connections
 356 2011-02-09 02:17:37 <lolcat> Oh, and one thing. bitcoind, is it supposed to use insane amounts of ram?
 357 2011-02-09 02:18:33 <dirtyfilthy> no
 358 2011-02-09 02:18:49 <doublec> how much is 'insane amounts'?
 359 2011-02-09 02:18:55 <poseidon> ,,bc,blocks
 360 2011-02-09 02:18:56 <gribble> 106994
 361 2011-02-09 02:20:28 <lfm> lolcat 273 megabytes virtual and 32 megabytes resident on my system
 362 2011-02-09 02:20:45 <lolcat> 273MB?
 363 2011-02-09 02:20:47 <lolcat> WHY?!
 364 2011-02-09 02:20:59 <lfm> just what top sez
 365 2011-02-09 02:21:22 <andrew12> XMLHttpRequest cannot load http://vps.andrew12.net:18332/. Origin http://vps.andrew12.net is not allowed by Access-Control-Allow-Origin.
 366 2011-02-09 02:21:24 <lfm> prolly the lib it links into like boost
 367 2011-02-09 02:21:44 <lfm> and the db indexes and ...
 368 2011-02-09 02:21:59 <doublec> andrew12: cross origin XMLHttpRequest's don't work by default
 369 2011-02-09 02:22:03 <slush> WTF uBTCents ??? TX 17AVztPeRCeUV6S2JGpuombyaKAKfjQCFA 0.05 BTC 1BS1EBLHS1uoyj1hBgRXsFQorMpuV6ni6V 1541728 uBTCents
 370 2011-02-09 02:22:08 <andrew12> doublec: how to ake them work
 371 2011-02-09 02:22:19 <andrew12> slush: it's stupid tonal
 372 2011-02-09 02:22:22 <andrew12> s/ake/make/
 373 2011-02-09 02:22:23 <doublec> andrew12: it depends. If your browser supports CORS you can use that
 374 2011-02-09 02:22:32 <lfm> lolcat why? whats it on your system?
 375 2011-02-09 02:22:37 <tcatm> no, uBTCents are actually 1e-8 BTC
 376 2011-02-09 02:22:41 <slush> andrew12: how it appeared in bitcoin monitor?
 377 2011-02-09 02:22:56 <slush> oh, so somebody sent uBTC transaction?
 378 2011-02-09 02:22:57 <doublec> andrew12: http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/07/cross-site-xmlhttprequest-with-cors/
 379 2011-02-09 02:23:11 <tcatm> slush: yep
 380 2011-02-09 02:23:49 <andrew12> tcatm: how to make js-remote work
 381 2011-02-09 02:23:52 <tcatm> http://blockexplorer.com/tx/9b3ed9b45ba9a8e061af209af4a44e1e42c85f8b37cbfdf1aa0cbc05de66a127
 382 2011-02-09 02:23:59 <tcatm> andrew12: use the included SSLserver.py
 383 2011-02-09 02:24:08 <tcatm> it'll proxy RPC requests
 384 2011-02-09 02:24:18 <andrew12> is that what i want? lol
 385 2011-02-09 02:24:29 <slush> tcatm: is that possible with bitcoind rpc?
 386 2011-02-09 02:24:32 <tcatm> see http://tcatm.github.com/bitcoin-js-remote/
 387 2011-02-09 02:24:38 <slush> or is it still rounding
 388 2011-02-09 02:24:51 <tcatm> slush: it's probably change
 389 2011-02-09 02:25:25 <tcatm> RPC is still rounding
 390 2011-02-09 02:25:30 <andrew12> i can probably just make /testnetrpc/ in lighttpd proxy to my bitcoind
 391 2011-02-09 02:25:58 <tcatm> andrew12: would work too. Please tell me how to do that if it works :)
 392 2011-02-09 02:26:45 <andrew12> will do
 393 2011-02-09 02:30:53 <andrew12> tcatm: http://vps.andrew12.net/bitcoin-js-remote/
 394 2011-02-09 02:31:46 frewsxcv has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 395 2011-02-09 02:32:05 EvanR has joined
 396 2011-02-09 02:32:40 <citiz3n> so you have that hooked up to testnet andrew?
 397 2011-02-09 02:32:41 frewsxcv has joined
 398 2011-02-09 02:32:50 <andrew12> citiz3n: yes
 399 2011-02-09 02:33:12 <andrew12> addresses that start with n or m (probably some others) are testnet
 400 2011-02-09 02:33:28 <citiz3n> cool - didn't know that
 401 2011-02-09 02:33:41 <andrew12> addresses that start with 1 are mainner
 402 2011-02-09 02:33:41 <citiz3n> well im trying a few different things with my server to see if stability can be achieved
 403 2011-02-09 02:33:44 <andrew12> mainnet.
 404 2011-02-09 02:33:53 <andrew12> tcatm: http://pastie.org/1543368
 405 2011-02-09 02:33:58 <citiz3n> lowering clockspeed didn't do the trick
 406 2011-02-09 02:34:15 <citiz3n> so now im trying the crossfire bridges - someone told me they needed to use them in order to run stable
 407 2011-02-09 02:34:17 <citiz3n> so we'll see
 408 2011-02-09 02:35:00 <slush> citiz3n: is the computer freezing?
 409 2011-02-09 02:35:21 <slush> afaik the CF should be definitely off
 410 2011-02-09 02:35:56 <slush> and don't see the reason why adding CF bridges should help
 411 2011-02-09 02:36:11 <citiz3n> i don't either, but with windows and ATI you never know :)
 412 2011-02-09 02:36:16 <citiz3n> CF is off
 413 2011-02-09 02:36:16 <lolcat> lfm: More than I want it to
 414 2011-02-09 02:36:30 <citiz3n> the computer either freezes completely or shuts down
 415 2011-02-09 02:36:40 <slush> citiz3n: looks like PSU issue
 416 2011-02-09 02:36:47 <citiz3n> you think?
 417 2011-02-09 02:36:50 <slush> yes
 418 2011-02-09 02:36:54 <slush> which PSU?
 419 2011-02-09 02:37:06 <citiz3n> i don't recall which brand this one is
 420 2011-02-09 02:37:14 <citiz3n> i thought corsair
 421 2011-02-09 02:37:19 <citiz3n> but id have to look
 422 2011-02-09 02:37:28 <citiz3n> it's a nice ass 1000 or 12000 watt modular supply
 423 2011-02-09 02:37:33 <citiz3n> err 1200
 424 2011-02-09 02:37:39 <slush> hmm, weird
 425 2011-02-09 02:37:40 LobsterMan has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 426 2011-02-09 02:37:44 <ArtForz> how many 5970s?
 427 2011-02-09 02:37:46 <slush> should be far enough
 428 2011-02-09 02:37:50 <citiz3n> none, just 2 5870s
 429 2011-02-09 02:38:01 <ArtForz> yeah, that should be way plenty
 430 2011-02-09 02:38:09 <citiz3n> 1 card - the 2nd one - seems to be giving problems
 431 2011-02-09 02:38:16 <citiz3n> the miner froze on #2 a couple times
 432 2011-02-09 02:38:21 <citiz3n> was getting invalid blocks another time
 433 2011-02-09 02:38:27 <slush> citiz3n: is second card working standalone?
 434 2011-02-09 02:38:39 <citiz3n> both are working fine right now
 435 2011-02-09 02:38:48 <slush> citiz3n: I had also troubles with frozing cores. Underclocking helped
 436 2011-02-09 02:38:49 <citiz3n> im abut to head out, so we'll see if it's still working when i get back :)
 437 2011-02-09 02:39:14 <citiz3n> yeah it could always be the one card doesn't like being OCed so much
 438 2011-02-09 02:39:17 <citiz3n> but anyways, im out
 439 2011-02-09 02:39:22 <citiz3n> will see ya all later
 440 2011-02-09 02:39:40 * andrew12 highlights tcatm again
 441 2011-02-09 02:39:40 <comboy> what kind of other than bitcoin 5970 usages you guys know? other than gaming
 442 2011-02-09 02:39:54 <ArtForz> I'm seeing random freeze/shutdown with too high OC on linux as well
 443 2011-02-09 02:40:01 <lfm> comboy folding@home
 444 2011-02-09 02:40:06 <ArtForz> pyrit, oclhashcat
 445 2011-02-09 02:40:07 <comboy> I can think about password cracking and simplocks, is there anything other practical at the moment?
 446 2011-02-09 02:40:08 <andrew12> comboy: GPGPU? lol
 447 2011-02-09 02:40:12 <slush> comboy: heating
 448 2011-02-09 02:40:20 <andrew12> slush++
 449 2011-02-09 02:40:25 <comboy> yeah, heating works great for me
 450 2011-02-09 02:40:36 <ArtForz> yeah, it's pretty good at that
 451 2011-02-09 02:40:47 <comboy> but seriously, do you know any other usages?
 452 2011-02-09 02:40:53 <poseidon> comboy: women go crazy for men with lots of bitcoins
 453 2011-02-09 02:41:02 <andrew12> calculate pi to the billionth digit
 454 2011-02-09 02:41:10 LobsterMan has joined
 455 2011-02-09 02:41:10 LobsterMan has quit (Changing host)
 456 2011-02-09 02:41:10 LobsterMan has joined
 457 2011-02-09 02:41:19 <comboy> poseidon: I'm quite convinced my wife ain't one of them ;)
 458 2011-02-09 02:41:19 <lfm> comboy fancy screensavers
 459 2011-02-09 02:41:33 <comboy> hah, pi soundsn fun
 460 2011-02-09 02:41:46 <comboy> yeah but I mean something you can make money on
 461 2011-02-09 02:41:52 <andrew12> bitcoin
 462 2011-02-09 02:41:55 <andrew12> </discussion>
 463 2011-02-09 02:41:57 <andrew12> brb
 464 2011-02-09 02:42:00 <comboy> :>
 465 2011-02-09 02:42:09 <lfm> comboy oh! no you cant make money any other way
 466 2011-02-09 02:42:22 <comboy> ok, I meant dollars
 467 2011-02-09 02:42:31 <comboy> ;)
 468 2011-02-09 02:42:32 <poseidon> sell bitcoins
 469 2011-02-09 02:42:41 <poseidon> *exchange bitcoins
 470 2011-02-09 02:42:45 <slush> comboy: what kind of usage for HDD do you know? Except... hmmm... storing bits? :)
 471 2011-02-09 02:42:49 satamusic has joined
 472 2011-02-09 02:42:59 <ArtForz> sell hashcash calculation services to spammers? *ducks*
 473 2011-02-09 02:43:04 <comboy> oh c'mon
 474 2011-02-09 02:43:05 <slush> comboy: I think when GPU has more than one usage it's pretty nice
 475 2011-02-09 02:43:37 <comboy> yes, for passwords and breaking some things it's nice
 476 2011-02-09 02:43:51 <comboy> and simplocks as far as I heard
 477 2011-02-09 02:43:59 <comboy> but do you know anything more
 478 2011-02-09 02:44:05 <ArtForz> well, thats pretty much the same
 479 2011-02-09 02:44:17 <comboy> I'm just wondering who's willing to pay for these cards when 6990 is out for good
 480 2011-02-09 02:44:24 <ArtForz> iirc sl breaking == sha1 bruteforce
 481 2011-02-09 02:44:26 <comboy> it is indeed
 482 2011-02-09 02:44:47 <ArtForz> well, I am working on a new application
 483 2011-02-09 02:45:01 <ArtForz> generating md5 rainbow tables
 484 2011-02-09 02:45:17 <ArtForz> theres already cpu and cuda impls
 485 2011-02-09 02:45:26 <comboy> why do people still spend time for md5?
 486 2011-02-09 02:45:47 <comboy> isnt that already really cheap?
 487 2011-02-09 02:45:53 <ArtForz> kinda
 488 2011-02-09 02:45:54 * andrew12 is back
 489 2011-02-09 02:46:11 <ArtForz> so I'll write one in OCL just to fuck with the nvidians
 490 2011-02-09 02:46:15 <lfm> comboy still lotsa old stuff is md5 of course
 491 2011-02-09 02:46:21 <ArtForz> yep
 492 2011-02-09 02:46:27 <andrew12> nvidians? haven't heard that one before
 493 2011-02-09 02:46:34 <ArtForz> just made it up
 494 2011-02-09 02:46:40 <comboy> hah, fucking with them sounds even better ;)
 495 2011-02-09 02:46:40 <ArtForz> sounds nice than nvidiots
 496 2011-02-09 02:46:45 <ArtForz> *nicer
 497 2011-02-09 02:46:47 <andrew12> haha
 498 2011-02-09 02:46:55 <luke-jr> nvideous victims?
 499 2011-02-09 02:47:51 <ArtForz> I also have another crypto application in mind, but havent really checked if its possible
 500 2011-02-09 02:48:08 <ArtForz> completely breaking the old zip crypt
 501 2011-02-09 02:48:19 <andrew12> is it at all interesting that ssh is currently using the most ram of anything running on this machine? it's archlinux and there's only 17 processes and 54mb in use
 502 2011-02-09 02:48:37 DoomDumas has joined
 503 2011-02-09 02:48:49 <comboy> andrew12: screen maybe?
 504 2011-02-09 02:48:51 <luke-jr> there are two kinds of nvideous victims: those who are in denial and willing victims (to be spited), and those who just didn't know any better (to be pitied) :P
 505 2011-02-09 02:49:03 <andrew12> comboy: what? lol
 506 2011-02-09 02:49:08 <ArtForz> theres a variation of the surezip attack that needs *no* known plaintext and only a single file in the archive
 507 2011-02-09 02:49:18 <andrew12> screen's not running on here. i'm ssh'd to my vps which is where i've got screen+irssi
 508 2011-02-09 02:49:35 <andrew12> hey guys! let's make a p2p network to crack md5 passwords!
 509 2011-02-09 02:49:40 <ArtForz> problem is, it's a few orders of magnitude slower
 510 2011-02-09 02:49:43 <dirtyfilthy> what's are simplocks?
 511 2011-02-09 02:49:46 <comboy> andrew12: I understood wrong I guess
 512 2011-02-09 02:49:52 <andrew12> comboy: :D
 513 2011-02-09 02:49:58 <comboy> but in your on vps consider tmux
 514 2011-02-09 02:50:03 <luke-jr> andrew12: do it! get your GPU off bitcoin!
 515 2011-02-09 02:50:12 <poseidon> andrew12: do you run a window manager?
 516 2011-02-09 02:50:13 <andrew12> any idea how many times i've heard that comboy?
 517 2011-02-09 02:50:16 <andrew12> luke-jr: what gpu?
 518 2011-02-09 02:50:22 <andrew12> poseidon: not currently
 519 2011-02-09 02:50:23 <luke-jr> andrew12: lol dunno
 520 2011-02-09 02:50:29 * andrew12 ish so popular
 521 2011-02-09 02:50:38 <comboy> andrew12: not really, there are some windows users there, and very experienced linux gurus
 522 2011-02-09 02:50:41 <ArtForz> 2**63 vs 2**42
 523 2011-02-09 02:50:50 <luke-jr> ArtForz: join andrew12's mission with your GPUs kthx
 524 2011-02-09 02:50:54 <comboy> so I'll asume you are not a windows user, and skip suggestions next time
 525 2011-02-09 02:51:24 <comboy> kind of a service where you could rent gpu power
 526 2011-02-09 02:51:32 <comboy> could be a nice fallback for all miners
 527 2011-02-09 02:51:38 <andrew12> comboy: it was a joke. people always suggest i use tmux but i'm too lazy to try to figure out why its better than screen
 528 2011-02-09 02:51:42 <andrew12> comboy: #bitcoind
 529 2011-02-09 02:52:01 <poseidon> andrew12: I run xmonad on my laptop.  However, I do almost everything via ssh/screen on the research cluster at my uni
 530 2011-02-09 02:52:03 <luke-jr> andrew12: the answer to that is obvious: when you have an issue, you can use Google to find an answer
 531 2011-02-09 02:52:12 <comboy> andrew12: I'm on screen currently, but they reapiting me the same ;) fortunately I dont have to care much about ram
 532 2011-02-09 02:52:13 <poseidon> andrew12: san reason I use screen instead of tmux :)
 533 2011-02-09 02:52:23 <andrew12> holy shit i am so popular today
 534 2011-02-09 02:53:03 <luke-jr> andrew12: I want to send you some TBC, what is your address?
 535 2011-02-09 02:53:30 * andrew12 needs to make a script so he can just do /getnewaddress
 536 2011-02-09 02:53:49 <luke-jr> too slow, I'm impatient
 537 2011-02-09 02:53:50 <luke-jr> maybe next time
 538 2011-02-09 02:53:52 <luke-jr>  :P
 539 2011-02-09 02:53:57 <andrew12> :(
 540 2011-02-09 02:55:24 <andrew12> 1GtTqvAL9hZ28WSekGukRqAGNHub1RzgzC
 541 2011-02-09 02:55:26 <lfm> can send em to me then --- 1AM2gFf7nJqg7rAee4LZ5oUwN1oevLo81L
 542 2011-02-09 02:55:27 <andrew12> ./exec -o ruby getnewaddress.rb
 543 2011-02-09 02:55:29 <andrew12> woo
 544 2011-02-09 02:55:34 <lfm> oops too slow
 545 2011-02-09 02:55:38 <comboy> si is there already any popular network where you can earn money with hashing?
 546 2011-02-09 02:55:40 <andrew12> lol
 547 2011-02-09 02:55:50 <andrew12> comboy: BITCOIN!
 548 2011-02-09 02:56:15 <comboy> andrew12: you are so predictable
 549 2011-02-09 02:56:56 <lfm> comboy I think its almost rude of you to ask us what are the alternatives to biycoin for your gpu
 550 2011-02-09 02:57:11 <comboy> :)
 551 2011-02-09 02:57:25 <comboy> I dont see anything close optimal to bitcoin for the moment
 552 2011-02-09 02:57:27 <andrew12> now to see if /getnewaddress works for mainnet and testnet
 553 2011-02-09 02:57:30 <andrew12> 1GSP1YwRkpd5h2ha6zhTmhQk5tNM7mhz3d
 554 2011-02-09 02:57:33 <andrew12> mtK8SmZ6BgkUPZojYubzztjtG1dT393rMp
 555 2011-02-09 02:57:36 <andrew12> awesome!
 556 2011-02-09 02:57:53 <luke-jr> [21:50:36] <bitcoincharts> TX 1GtTqvAL9hZ28WSekGukRqAGNHub1RzgzC 10 TBC 1GqMFmGs94HpYmUBbzAGtHySV5MGDKc6ET 1951424 uBTCents 9b154ed00fe78bdf478f19f05ffca74cf2dbdf57d2cabf52f413a9973f71b986
 557 2011-02-09 02:57:53 <comboy> but you waste 500 bitcoins and btc price is down officialy ;)
 558 2011-02-09 02:57:54 <luke-jr> [21:50:53] <bitcoincharts> TX 13pFsgUDbWxLZvW2sTxZBX6WqXK89Vu7oH 1951424 uBTCents 1AM2gFf7nJqg7rAee4LZ5oUwN1oevLo81L 10 TBC caab668b1586483504e8fea36b37ebcc7696648ddd3070e38e5c0405d90289fc
 559 2011-02-09 02:58:08 <comboy> I really wolud love to know some fallback
 560 2011-02-09 02:58:27 <comboy> or to know if 5970 has much value for other non-bitcoin non-gamers
 561 2011-02-09 02:58:42 <lfm> well ask them, not us
 562 2011-02-09 02:58:45 <comboy> (sorry for reapeating myself, but you are repeating bitcoin, and yes I know what channel is that)
 563 2011-02-09 02:59:11 <comboy> well I dont know them, I'm new in the gpu world
 564 2011-02-09 02:59:25 <andrew12> i'm not even in the gpu world :P
 565 2011-02-09 02:59:27 <lfm> google
 566 2011-02-09 02:59:58 <comboy> oh thanks!
 567 2011-02-09 03:00:01 <comboy> nice site
 568 2011-02-09 03:00:08 <comboy> can I use it instead of yahoo?
 569 2011-02-09 03:00:17 <andrew12> heh
 570 2011-02-09 03:00:21 <lfm> ask yahoo
 571 2011-02-09 03:00:48 <andrew12> infinite loops are like infinite loops which are like infinite loops which *bang*
 572 2011-02-09 03:02:52 <comboy> btw
 573 2011-02-09 03:03:07 <comboy> I dont know if I would have time to do this so
 574 2011-02-09 03:03:17 <comboy> what do you think about sich idea:
 575 2011-02-09 03:03:28 <comboy> I think there is problem with markets
 576 2011-02-09 03:03:32 <comboy> and buyers/sellers
 577 2011-02-09 03:03:44 <comboy> you cannot trust them based on numbers or amount of transactions
 578 2011-02-09 03:03:54 <comboy> net is anonymus so it can be easily manipulated
 579 2011-02-09 03:04:01 <comboy> but
 580 2011-02-09 03:04:09 <comboy> we have a lot of enthusiast
 581 2011-02-09 03:04:15 <comboy> so
 582 2011-02-09 03:04:32 <comboy> I would gladly pay 5% for my bitcoin transactions
 583 2011-02-09 03:04:39 <comboy> if 1% goes to the market owner
 584 2011-02-09 03:04:48 <comboy> but 4% goes for btc development
 585 2011-02-09 03:04:59 <comboy> I guess mostly bounties, you can vote for what exactly
 586 2011-02-09 03:05:09 <luke-jr> comboy: just donate to developers who do what you want
 587 2011-02-09 03:05:20 <comboy> if tihs is as service, you gain trust of somebody
 588 2011-02-09 03:05:33 <comboy> because you know how much and how worthy transactions did he have
 589 2011-02-09 03:05:38 <luke-jr> recently, a KDE developer added full transparency to KolourPaint
 590 2011-02-09 03:05:47 <luke-jr> so I offered them a small donation because I appreciate it
 591 2011-02-09 03:06:03 <comboy> so if he have history of 1000 btc spend, and this is 5% yoou are safe buying 50btc because it would not be profitable for him to cheat
 592 2011-02-09 03:06:40 <andrew12> send me bitcoins because http://mtgox.heroku.com and http://vps.andrew12.net:9000 are awesome! :p
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 594 2011-02-09 03:06:59 <comboy> it's not about donations really, they are here just by the way, it's about that somebody can say I had transactions worth 4567 btc and you can trust him
 595 2011-02-09 03:07:04 <luke-jr> andrew12: I already did, but don't care about mtgox
 596 2011-02-09 03:07:14 <andrew12> luke-jr: :(
 597 2011-02-09 03:07:15 <andrew12> :p
 598 2011-02-09 03:07:16 <comboy> right now you cannot, because it could be him sending himself bitcoins around the network
 599 2011-02-09 03:08:28 <comboy> any comments like "that's shitty because" welcome
 600 2011-02-09 03:08:40 <andrew12> comboy: that's shitty because
 601 2011-02-09 03:08:46 <comboy> fucking knew it
 602 2011-02-09 03:08:48 <comboy> you are a bot
 603 2011-02-09 03:08:59 <comboy> prove you are not a bot, I challange you ;)
 604 2011-02-09 03:09:26 <lfm> bitcoin is no different than any other currency in that respect
 605 2011-02-09 03:09:30 <luke-jr> we have bots in #anime that can sometimes appear more real than people ;)
 606 2011-02-09 03:09:55 <comboy> lfm: it's much more anonymus, it's way easier
 607 2011-02-09 03:10:35 <comboy> well these chatbots like clever bot with all these input they collected got pretty strong lately too
 608 2011-02-09 03:10:40 <andrew12> comboy: how would you like me to prove that i'm not a bot?
 609 2011-02-09 03:11:14 <andrew12> nobody here has ever met me irl, but some have done trades with me
 610 2011-02-09 03:11:42 <comboy> andrew12: I'm really ok with bots and FAIs
 611 2011-02-09 03:11:51 <comboy> just like high output randomization
 612 2011-02-09 03:11:53 <andrew12> fai's?
 613 2011-02-09 03:11:57 <comboy> friendly AI
 614 2011-02-09 03:12:00 <andrew12> oh
 615 2011-02-09 03:12:09 <andrew12> i think they're annoying
 616 2011-02-09 03:12:10 <andrew12> lol
 617 2011-02-09 03:12:17 <comboy> :))
 618 2011-02-09 03:13:02 <comboy> ok so I shared with you my awfully awesome idea and nobody cares, life's so brutal
 619 2011-02-09 03:13:22 * ArtForz hands comboy a cookie
 620 2011-02-09 03:13:28 <comboy> I 'm gonna clean the kitchen, maybe I belong there more
 621 2011-02-09 03:13:31 <comboy> *crunch*
 622 2011-02-09 03:13:38 <DoomDumas> when mining, is random a try in 32^2 possibility ?
 623 2011-02-09 03:13:56 <comboy> "what you have heard, was for your ears only.... BUT THE COOKIE IS MINE!"
 624 2011-02-09 03:15:07 <comboy> you mean 2^32 I guess and I guess now, that would be breaking sha256 per block if I get it corretly, kinda hardcore
 625 2011-02-09 03:15:08 <luke-jr> DoomDumas: depends on difficulty
 626 2011-02-09 03:15:27 <comboy> s/now/not
 627 2011-02-09 03:15:37 <luke-jr> probably more like 1 in 1000000000000000 :p
 628 2011-02-09 03:15:41 <luke-jr> at least
 629 2011-02-09 03:15:54 <andrew12> ;;bc,probability
 630 2011-02-09 03:15:55 <gribble> Error: "bc,probability" is not a valid command.
 631 2011-02-09 03:15:57 <andrew12> hm
 632 2011-02-09 03:16:25 <DoomDumas> thanks, interesting.. :)
 633 2011-02-09 03:20:52 <DoomDumas> im I wrong if I state, in a pool, controled sequential mining would be better than the actual random minning ?
 634 2011-02-09 03:21:05 <luke-jr> DoomDumas: no
 635 2011-02-09 03:21:12 <luke-jr> sequential might as well be random
 636 2011-02-09 03:21:14 <DoomDumas> im not wrong ?   ;)
 637 2011-02-09 03:21:18 <luke-jr> you're not right
 638 2011-02-09 03:21:32 <DoomDumas> ah, indeed
 639 2011-02-09 03:22:08 <DoomDumas> but is'nt there some try to the same value over all the network ?
 640 2011-02-09 03:23:10 <DoomDumas> for a block, some peer may have tried the same value.. no ?
 641 2011-02-09 03:23:14 <comboy> no, you are hashing your address which is unique too
 642 2011-02-09 03:24:22 <DoomDumas> oh quite more evovled than I tought, thanks for taking the time to help me understand a bit more :D
 643 2011-02-09 03:24:35 <comboy> and if sha is secure, order in which you are checknig nounces does not matter
 644 2011-02-09 03:25:02 <comboy> I wish we had better docs
 645 2011-02-09 03:25:04 * lolcat starts making a rainbowtable to mine bitcoins faster
 646 2011-02-09 03:25:33 <comboy> lolcat is looooooooooooooooold
 647 2011-02-09 03:25:40 <comboy> sorry just fired
 648 2011-02-09 03:26:00 <dirtyfilthy> rainbow table of 76 bytes
 649 2011-02-09 03:26:15 <lolcat> I remember using it to crack the nt-hash on my school when I was younger.
 650 2011-02-09 03:26:33 <lolcat> 37 seconds and I got the admin password for 200+ computers
 651 2011-02-09 03:27:04 <lolcat> It had remotley anywhere installed, so I could view all the files, delete, execute, and do pretty much whatever on them
 652 2011-02-09 03:27:25 <comboy> and we could have been plaing footbal
 653 2011-02-09 03:29:05 <comboy> I dont know about win security, but how could that be possible that breaking protecting hash would take you so quick back then?
 654 2011-02-09 03:29:22 <lolcat> comboy: The hash was split in two
 655 2011-02-09 03:29:34 <lolcat> The first few cipers n the first one
 656 2011-02-09 03:29:41 <lolcat> And the last ones in the second part
 657 2011-02-09 03:29:47 <ArtForz> old win hash was 2*7 chars
 658 2011-02-09 03:29:55 <lolcat> The password was amiga0s xD
 659 2011-02-09 03:29:55 <ArtForz> and converts lwoercase to uppercase
 660 2011-02-09 03:29:57 <comboy> omg
 661 2011-02-09 03:29:59 <comboy> awesome design
 662 2011-02-09 03:30:07 <comboy> didnt know that
 663 2011-02-09 03:30:32 <ArtForz> also not salted, so precalcing rainbowtables was trivial
 664 2011-02-09 03:30:38 <lolcat> they later changed it to nt+rl**p
 665 2011-02-09 03:30:58 <lolcat> It was a little slower to crack, but still done before I finished making a coffe...
 666 2011-02-09 03:31:11 <lolcat> or, I think it was a \ in there
 667 2011-02-09 03:32:24 <comboy> so how did you get the hash? you had psychical access to that machine?
 668 2011-02-09 03:32:43 <lolcat> It was laptops
 669 2011-02-09 03:33:10 <ArtForz> ouch
 670 2011-02-09 03:33:12 <lolcat> I took the harddrive out of my computer, put it in a usb case, and used a friends computer to crack
 671 2011-02-09 03:33:30 <lolcat> Only boot methods were PXE and HDD, we just setup a PXE server for it
 672 2011-02-09 03:33:41 <lolcat> ArtForz: And ALL 200+ computers had the same password.
 673 2011-02-09 03:33:44 <comboy> wait, windows NT and you are putting it in usb case, that's somebody's software not up to date
 674 2011-02-09 03:34:11 <comboy> ah
 675 2011-02-09 03:34:19 <lolcat> We did shutdowns on teachers computers just for fun when we where bored with some inappropriate message
 676 2011-02-09 03:34:23 <comboy> I was just about to ask why not just boot it from fdd and change the file
 677 2011-02-09 03:34:30 <ArtForz> didnt XP still store NT hash?
 678 2011-02-09 03:34:33 <lolcat> comboy: Windows XP, but they didn't disable the nthash
 679 2011-02-09 03:34:34 <comboy> ok that's not really the same as learning the pass
 680 2011-02-09 03:34:40 <ArtForz> I rememebr 2k certainly did
 681 2011-02-09 03:34:52 <comboy> lolcat: and in xp this is default setting?
 682 2011-02-09 03:34:59 <ArtForz> iirc, yes
 683 2011-02-09 03:35:03 <lolcat> ArtForz: You can disable it in XP, but they didn't untill the second time
 684 2011-02-09 03:35:08 <lolcat> comboy: I assume so
 685 2011-02-09 03:35:11 <ArtForz> you can disable it in 2k too
 686 2011-02-09 03:35:20 <comboy> damn I should learn more about windows
 687 2011-02-09 03:35:34 <ArtForz> but lazy/stupid admins forget that
 688 2011-02-09 03:36:49 <lolcat> ArtForz: I think we could have done a lot more things that would be bad. A couple of my friends wrote down the names of the owners of most of the computers
 689 2011-02-09 03:37:02 <lolcat> A friend installed som trojan on my computer...
 690 2011-02-09 03:37:04 <comboy> lazy stupid admins remind me of this anonymous revenge lately: http://niebezpiecznik.pl/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/rootkit.jpg that is so adorable
 691 2011-02-09 03:37:17 * andrew12 sighs
 692 2011-02-09 03:37:21 <andrew12> i should probably go to bed
 693 2011-02-09 03:37:28 <comboy> lolcat: my friend tried installing thorjan on mine
 694 2011-02-09 03:37:32 <comboy> and you know what?
 695 2011-02-09 03:37:38 <comboy> he installed server at *his* computer
 696 2011-02-09 03:37:44 <comboy> that was so awesome
 697 2011-02-09 03:38:29 <lolcat> comboy: My friend used the one included in cain and abel
 698 2011-02-09 03:38:33 <comboy> because you know when you are this criptt kiddie in 1995, you have this trojan, and you have 2 programs, and server sounds like controlling center rigt? ;)
 699 2011-02-09 03:39:13 <andrew12> slush: i'm curious of how the pool works. at least the custom rpc you have.. does it check in some sort of database if the user/pass combination is correct? does it cache it at all?
 700 2011-02-09 03:39:13 <comboy> havent heard about cain and abel
 701 2011-02-09 03:39:36 <andrew12> if its not cached you could probably use memcached to speed requests up a bit
 702 2011-02-09 03:40:27 <comboy> it's running on a single machine, if you want speed so badly local memory still 10x faster than memcache ;)
 703 2011-02-09 03:41:11 <andrew12> comboy: speed is important when you've got a ton of getwork/s
 704 2011-02-09 03:41:56 <lolcat> Is the bitcoind with less rpc bugs ready?
 705 2011-02-09 03:42:02 <comboy> well certainly you do not want to touch disk, but any db would keep that in memory anyway
 706 2011-02-09 03:42:08 <andrew12> lolcat: bitcoind has bugs? blasphemy!
 707 2011-02-09 03:43:12 <comboy> I need to get back to some work, thanks for nice stories anyway
 708 2011-02-09 03:43:25 <lolcat> Someone told me to await coding my bitcoin ideas for when the next version came
 709 2011-02-09 03:43:46 <comboy> andrew12: btw, was benchmarking lately memcached vs tokyo tyrant, and tokyo looked better
 710 2011-02-09 03:44:01 <andrew12> no idea what tokyo tyrant is
 711 2011-02-09 03:44:16 <comboy> tcp access to tokyo cabinet
 712 2011-02-09 03:44:22 <comboy> which is really fast storage
 713 2011-02-09 03:44:47 <andrew12> is it scalable? :p
 714 2011-02-09 03:45:06 <andrew12> i'm kidding
 715 2011-02-09 03:45:13 <comboy> :>
 716 2011-02-09 03:46:19 <comboy> damn, I wonder how long before we have some guys from bitcoin community starting startups fundend in bitcoins by other community members
 717 2011-02-09 03:46:34 <comboy> I mean prefitable ones, kind of stock basics
 718 2011-02-09 03:46:54 <comboy> ok I really need to work, irc is so evil, bbl
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 725 2011-02-09 04:17:24 <joe_1> bitcoin back to 90 cents party
 726 2011-02-09 04:22:25 <lolcat> 90 cent?
 727 2011-02-09 04:23:44 <joe_1> yea
 728 2011-02-09 04:24:16 <joe_1> 90.4 cents
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 740 2011-02-09 04:39:33 <DoomDumas> what if some big $ investors guys found BTC-OTC interesting.. could this be bad in anyway for the market ?
 741 2011-02-09 04:40:19 <DoomDumas> oops, tought I was on -otc
 742 2011-02-09 04:41:27 <luke-jr> DoomDumas: probably would create a burst of value to $100+ per BTC, then drop back to maybe $2-$5
 743 2011-02-09 04:42:17 * Kiba published the inaugural issue of The Bitcoin Weekly
 744 2011-02-09 04:42:25 <luke-jr> How can I view generated bitcoins via RPC?
 745 2011-02-09 04:42:30 <luke-jr> Kiba: where?
 746 2011-02-09 04:42:40 <doublec> luke-jr: you can't
 747 2011-02-09 04:42:49 <luke-jr> doublec: >:/
 748 2011-02-09 04:42:50 <doublec> luke-jr: they'll appear when they've matured
 749 2011-02-09 04:43:01 <luke-jr> I want to verify they're there maturing
 750 2011-02-09 04:43:23 <doublec> yeah it's annoying that they don't appear
 751 2011-02-09 04:45:11 <EvanR> i heard you can make it show in the latest version, but i dunno
 752 2011-02-09 04:47:01 <Kiba> http://www.bitcoinservice.co.uk/files/117
 753 2011-02-09 04:47:51 <Kiba> well, the first issue of The Bitcoin Weekly is actually entirely public domain
 754 2011-02-09 04:50:11 <luke-jr> You are downloading: issue00.pdf (104KB)
 755 2011-02-09 04:50:13 <luke-jr> It will cost: 0btc
 756 2011-02-09 04:50:21 <luke-jr> why does it waste the time to generate an address?
 757 2011-02-09 04:50:30 <luke-jr> wtf is Han Dao?
 758 2011-02-09 04:50:52 <afed> hope you got sale orders in at $100/BTC just in case it spikes
 759 2011-02-09 04:51:43 <luke-jr> wtf Kiba, I skipped the year and thought you were serious about the US paying off its debts
 760 2011-02-09 04:52:10 <luke-jr> smartphones better be obsolete tech by 2017 :p
 761 2011-02-09 04:52:27 <luke-jr> netbooks too
 762 2011-02-09 04:52:29 <afed> luke-jr: what am i gonna do during shitbreaks at work
 763 2011-02-09 04:52:42 <luke-jr> Kiba: lrn2speel!
 764 2011-02-09 04:53:04 <luke-jr> rugged* dental* illegally bought*
 765 2011-02-09 04:53:14 <luke-jr> started to revolt*
 766 2011-02-09 04:53:24 <luke-jr> also, your close-quotes are open-quotes
 767 2011-02-09 04:53:59 <afed> if you have debts in USD it is pointless to pay them off
 768 2011-02-09 04:54:04 <afed> throwing good money after bad
 769 2011-02-09 04:54:17 <afed> convert your extra USD into bitcoins, gold, or even euro
 770 2011-02-09 04:54:28 <afed> let inflation do the work
 771 2011-02-09 04:54:40 <luke-jr> liquify* accumulated*
 772 2011-02-09 04:54:41 <Diablo-D3> ....
 773 2011-02-09 04:54:54 <afed> if you actually give a damn about paying your debts, do it in a few years after your currency investments outpace compounding interest one hundredfold
 774 2011-02-09 04:55:16 <newsham> afed: what is the current rate of inflation?
 775 2011-02-09 04:55:30 <afed> according to what source?
 776 2011-02-09 04:55:31 <luke-jr> newsham: 50 BTC per 10 mins
 777 2011-02-09 04:55:35 <newsham> afed: how much has the euro appreciated agains tthe dollar in the last 12mos?
 778 2011-02-09 04:55:45 <afed> too lazy to look that up just now
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 780 2011-02-09 04:55:58 <luke-jr> an identification card* I'd rather not*
 781 2011-02-09 04:56:06 <newsham> afed: do you thikn gold is a good investment today at >$1300?
 782 2011-02-09 04:56:18 <afed> hell no
 783 2011-02-09 04:56:27 <afed> buy low
 784 2011-02-09 04:56:30 <afed> i was being sarcastic earlier
 785 2011-02-09 04:56:34 <newsham> but you said to put your dollars into gold and let your debt deflate away
 786 2011-02-09 04:56:38 <newsham> ok, *phew*
 787 2011-02-09 04:56:38 <afed> i took my profits on BTC at .75
 788 2011-02-09 04:56:45 <newsham> cause that sounds like some pretty bad advice right now :)
 789 2011-02-09 04:57:02 <joe_1> i want my debt to deflate away
 790 2011-02-09 04:57:04 <newsham> if you have debt that costs you 6% and your cash is paying you 1%, its a pretty good time to pay down debt
 791 2011-02-09 04:57:25 <luke-jr> 2.1e^-7 BTC better not ever be a high price :P
 792 2011-02-09 04:57:44 <afed> my credit's still good
 793 2011-02-09 04:57:46 <joe_1> luke: it will be about a penny.
 794 2011-02-09 04:57:58 <afed> i'm slowly reducing my credit cards, and incurring student loans
 795 2011-02-09 04:58:03 <newsham> i mean, you might find an investment that pays off >6%, but it prob will be a lot riskier than paying down your debt
 796 2011-02-09 04:58:10 <afed> i'm confident the dollars i'm borrowing now will be worth less in the future
 797 2011-02-09 04:58:19 <newsham> eek, credit card debt.
 798 2011-02-09 04:58:21 <newsham> that hurts
 799 2011-02-09 04:58:26 <afed> yeah i was a kid
 800 2011-02-09 04:58:32 <afed> i knew better and i did it anyway
 801 2011-02-09 04:58:36 <afed> i am fixing it now
 802 2011-02-09 04:58:57 <afed> at least i didn't have a kid :D
 803 2011-02-09 04:59:01 <afed> that would have cost a lot more
 804 2011-02-09 04:59:02 <newsham> any way you can refi that someway else?  mortgage? personal loan? etc?
 805 2011-02-09 04:59:02 <luke-jr> …
 806 2011-02-09 04:59:15 <luke-jr> afed: children are inflation-proof investments ;)
 807 2011-02-09 04:59:34 <newsham> luke: guaranteed to cost you omney in any interest rate environment? :)
 808 2011-02-09 04:59:35 <afed> not if the little bastards become drug addicts and don't pay for your assisted living home
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 810 2011-02-09 04:59:52 <EvanR> either cure aging or kill yourself early
 811 2011-02-09 05:00:03 <newsham> only the good die young
 812 2011-02-09 05:00:06 <afed> i plan to spend my retirement drinking scotch and ircing, it should be cheap but i don't think anyone is going to pay for it but me
 813 2011-02-09 05:00:26 <EvanR> yeah better keep on day trading lol
 814 2011-02-09 05:00:32 <newsham> afed: i recommend buying a few casks now and storing them somewhere safe ;-)
 815 2011-02-09 05:00:46 <newsham> theres an appreciating asset
 816 2011-02-09 05:00:53 <afed> hehe i bet when i'm 70 and drunk on irc
 817 2011-02-09 05:01:06 <afed> someone will come up with some cockamamie scheme involving currency and GPUs
 818 2011-02-09 05:01:11 <luke-jr> afed: that's if you don't invest properly
 819 2011-02-09 05:01:13 <newsham> wish my mom put away a few casks when i was born
 820 2011-02-09 05:01:19 <afed> and i'll buy 2000 BTC of hardware from newegg
 821 2011-02-09 05:01:20 <newsham> so i could always drink whiskey thats older than me
 822 2011-02-09 05:01:34 <dirtyfilthy> my friends dad did that for him
 823 2011-02-09 05:01:36 <dirtyfilthy> fuck it was good
 824 2011-02-09 05:01:42 <afed> that's awesome though
 825 2011-02-09 05:01:52 <afed> i'm really a beer  guy though, i wish my parents had put away beer
 826 2011-02-09 05:02:03 <dirtyfilthy> don't know how well beer ages
 827 2011-02-09 05:02:06 <dirtyfilthy> :)
 828 2011-02-09 05:02:16 <afed> if it's intended to condition in the bottle
 829 2011-02-09 05:02:18 <newsham> beers great too, but you'll prob prefer whiskey when you're 70 :)
 830 2011-02-09 05:02:20 <luke-jr> can't miss what you've never had
 831 2011-02-09 05:02:22 <newsham> also you dont need to age it
 832 2011-02-09 05:03:53 * jgarzik wonders if neilsky's lotto is still around
 833 2011-02-09 05:04:44 <newsham> beer's best conditioned in my gutr
 834 2011-02-09 05:04:46 <newsham> gut
 835 2011-02-09 05:14:01 <poseidon> newsham: I prefer bourbon & wiskey and I'm 19
 836 2011-02-09 05:15:04 <poseidon> However I generally drink natural light because it's so cheap and I'm in college so it's more abundant than water
 837 2011-02-09 05:21:48 <afed> yay college
 838 2011-02-09 05:22:36 <Kiba> noagendamarket make weak arguments :*(
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 840 2011-02-09 05:23:06 <noagendamarket> Kiba what weak arguments ?
 841 2011-02-09 05:24:02 <Kiba> you made arguments that make it easy for gene to attack you
 842 2011-02-09 05:24:08 <Kiba> they're a bunch of strawmen though
 843 2011-02-09 05:24:29 <Kiba> this gene guy...seriously sucks
 844 2011-02-09 05:24:43 <Kiba> he doesn't have an once of argument left to defend "democracy"
 845 2011-02-09 05:24:46 <ducki2p> where is this inside baseball happening?
 846 2011-02-09 05:25:14 <Kiba> most arguments failed automatically because they do not understood libertarianism :/
 847 2011-02-09 05:26:07 <afed> heh
 848 2011-02-09 05:26:17 <afed> more like understand liberarianism better than libs do
 849 2011-02-09 05:26:41 <Kiba> about us being ubermensch ;)
 850 2011-02-09 05:27:14 <Kiba> we want to be rich, healthy, strong, immortal! Well, at least I do.
 851 2011-02-09 05:28:04 <Kiba> You know
 852 2011-02-09 05:28:05 <Kiba> I bet
 853 2011-02-09 05:28:12 <Kiba> most of the political conflicts in humanity
 854 2011-02-09 05:28:19 <Kiba> is actually the result of differing moral perspectives
 855 2011-02-09 05:28:50 <Kiba> sure, there's lot of greedy and evil people
 856 2011-02-09 05:28:58 <Kiba> but no doubt some of them are true idealogue
 857 2011-02-09 05:29:42 * Kiba thinks libertarianism is actually morally abnormal
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 859 2011-02-09 05:30:48 <noagendamarket> Kiba you assume i care what gene thinks
 860 2011-02-09 05:30:58 <noagendamarket> thus Im not arguing lol
 861 2011-02-09 05:31:16 <Kiba> meh. gene doesn't care about understanding anything
 862 2011-02-09 05:31:26 <Kiba> he's just defending democracy because he like it
 863 2011-02-09 05:31:39 <noagendamarket> well he will leave like all the other socialists trolls do
 864 2011-02-09 05:31:57 <Kiba> death by argumentation exhaustion
 865 2011-02-09 05:32:01 <Kiba> noagendamarket: I don't think he will leave
 866 2011-02-09 05:32:31 <Kiba> Bablyon is interesting but he refuse to discuss ethical problems...
 867 2011-02-09 05:34:10 <soultcer> noagendamarket: What makes you think that people who prefer socialism are trolls?
 868 2011-02-09 05:34:48 <soultcer> Just because you think that free market capitalism or whatever else you prefer is the best, it doesn't mean that others think alike.
 869 2011-02-09 05:34:56 <noagendamarket> soultcer in this context they are
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 871 2011-02-09 05:35:31 <afed> if you are overly concerned with what you think rather than reality, you won't make a lot of money
 872 2011-02-09 05:35:35 <Kiba> most people can't help argue against each other
 873 2011-02-09 05:35:40 <afed> how things actually are is what's important
 874 2011-02-09 05:35:48 <Kiba> afed: sure is.
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 876 2011-02-09 05:35:59 <noagendamarket> people can be anything as long as they voluntarily agree to it
 877 2011-02-09 05:35:59 <noagendamarket> whether that is a sweatshop worker or a communist
 878 2011-02-09 05:36:02 <Kiba> but gene is not giving me any reason to change my mind
 879 2011-02-09 05:36:17 <noagendamarket> its called cognitive dissonance
 880 2011-02-09 05:36:23 <afed> you're both equally screwed up, i expect
 881 2011-02-09 05:36:26 * Kiba thinks socialist writing are actually BORING
 882 2011-02-09 05:36:33 * poseidon was just noticing that bitcoing could be used nicely for laundering money
 883 2011-02-09 05:36:42 * soultcer thinks most economy writing is boring
 884 2011-02-09 05:36:43 <Kiba> we all suffers congnitive dissonance
 885 2011-02-09 05:37:03 <Kiba> but I suffer no congnitive dissoance when exposed to socialism...because they're boring
 886 2011-02-09 05:40:12 <presence> ;bc,calc 600000
 887 2011-02-09 05:40:19 <presence> ;;bc,calc 600000
 888 2011-02-09 05:40:19 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 600000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 2 days, 3 hours, 41 minutes, and 40 seconds
 889 2011-02-09 05:40:55 <afed> ;;bc,calc 1320000
 890 2011-02-09 05:40:56 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1320000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 23 hours, 29 minutes, and 50 seconds
 891 2011-02-09 05:41:27 <Kiba> ok...what is exactly the biggest source of congnition dissoance in my life today?
 892 2011-02-09 05:43:01 <Kiba> let see: 1. Fear of copyright people being true. 2. A confident socialist named gene.
 893 2011-02-09 05:43:14 <Kiba> #1 is being reality-tested
 894 2011-02-09 05:43:26 <Kiba> #2 have no fang beyond the initial assertion
 895 2011-02-09 05:44:53 <afed> are you drunk
 896 2011-02-09 05:45:15 <Kiba> afed: drunk what?
 897 2011-02-09 05:45:55 <Kiba> I am ready to shed libertarianism if I see a way out of it. I don't. So it's just a useful ethical philosophy that I like a lot.
 898 2011-02-09 05:47:42 <afed> it's not an ethical philosophy
 899 2011-02-09 05:47:43 <midnightmagic_> ;;bc,stats
 900 2011-02-09 05:47:44 <gribble> Current Blocks: 107023 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 1840 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 19 hours, 8 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 30937.52393300
 901 2011-02-09 05:47:51 <afed> boo
 902 2011-02-09 05:47:54 <afed> is that diff going down
 903 2011-02-09 05:48:01 <Kiba> afed: well, it is to me.
 904 2011-02-09 05:48:04 <afed> people who aren't me need to quit buying GPUs
 905 2011-02-09 05:48:04 <midnightmagic_> i hope so
 906 2011-02-09 05:48:13 <afed> and turn off the GPUs they do own
 907 2011-02-09 05:49:02 <midnightmagic_> kiba: free yourself from labels.
 908 2011-02-09 05:49:20 <Kiba> once you buy in one part, you tend to buy in all
 909 2011-02-09 05:49:47 <Kiba> midnightmagic_: nope, still do not see why I should abandon a program that's been useful so far.
 910 2011-02-09 05:50:14 <midnightmagic_> poseidon: not for really big amounts at the moment; plus, transaction history is available, and anyone not completely up on what they're doing is going to have a devil of a time slowly converting to/from the bitcoin network..
 911 2011-02-09 05:50:38 <lfm> one thing that would encourage people to quit mining was if the price of btc crashed
 912 2011-02-09 05:50:45 <afed> hah
 913 2011-02-09 05:50:47 <afed> i'll mine harder
 914 2011-02-09 05:50:47 <midnightmagic_> Kiba: the label as defined almost certainly doesn't define your philosophy perfectly. why limit yourself by letting others pigeonhole you?
 915 2011-02-09 05:50:56 <afed> price crash will crash difficulty
 916 2011-02-09 05:51:09 <Kiba> midnightmagic_: umm..it does?
 917 2011-02-09 05:52:25 <lfm> afed eventually
 918 2011-02-09 05:52:57 <poseidon> how long does it generally take to get a bitcoin when mining?
 919 2011-02-09 05:53:02 <Kiba> we don't know if it will crash or not...........
 920 2011-02-09 05:53:44 <afed> poseidon: you can use the bot to determine how long
 921 2011-02-09 05:54:06 <lfm> poseidon: whats your khash/s?
 922 2011-02-09 05:54:23 <poseidon> ~2k
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 924 2011-02-09 05:54:36 <lfm> ;;bc,calc 2000
 925 2011-02-09 05:54:37 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 2000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 1 year, 40 weeks, 1 day, 4 hours, 20 minutes, and 22 seconds
 926 2011-02-09 05:54:57 <poseidon> lol
 927 2011-02-09 05:55:25 <lfm> poseidon: thats why people mostly talk about gpu for mining
 928 2011-02-09 05:55:46 <poseidon> what does gpu get around for khash/s?
 929 2011-02-09 05:56:15 <lfm> poseidon: my radeon 5770 gets about 157000 khash/s
 930 2011-02-09 05:58:03 <joe_1> i'm getting about 963 khash/s
 931 2011-02-09 05:58:25 <poseidon> lfm: how can I set it up to use my gpu?
 932 2011-02-09 05:58:45 <lfm> poseidon: an alternative is to join a pool. that speads out the 50btc per year so you might get 1 btc per week
 933 2011-02-09 05:58:59 <lfm> spreads
 934 2011-02-09 05:59:11 <lfm> poseidon: what model gpu is it?
 935 2011-02-09 06:00:07 <poseidon> nvidia 260 gtx
 936 2011-02-09 06:00:53 <lfm> ok you want a cuda miner then. check the forums
 937 2011-02-09 06:01:16 <poseidon> does this look right?  http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=41392
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 939 2011-02-09 06:02:03 <lfm> poseidon: the gtx260 should get about 35000 khash/s
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 941 2011-02-09 06:02:39 <poseidon> ;;bc,calc 35000
 942 2011-02-09 06:02:40 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 35000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 5 weeks, 1 day, 22 hours, 11 minutes, and 26 seconds
 943 2011-02-09 06:02:53 <poseidon> ;;bc,calc 157000
 944 2011-02-09 06:02:54 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 157000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 1 week, 1 day, 5 hours, 33 minutes, and 30 seconds
 945 2011-02-09 06:04:24 <lfm> poseidon: I cant tell exactly what that link is, it looks like it might be right but I never used archl;inux
 946 2011-02-09 06:04:44 <[Noodles]> gtx260 gets <45Mhash/s depending on your clockspeed
 947 2011-02-09 06:05:07 <lfm> close enuf
 948 2011-02-09 06:05:12 <[Noodles]> at least mine did
 949 2011-02-09 06:05:43 <lfm> could be I was just quoting the wiki
 950 2011-02-09 06:06:25 <[Noodles]> yeah, 35M at stock clock sounds right
 951 2011-02-09 06:06:59 <Kiba> so
 952 2011-02-09 06:07:06 <Kiba> anybody read the new magazine yet?
 953 2011-02-09 06:07:20 <[Noodles]> i first replaced it by a HD5570 which gets <65M but only needs 50W
 954 2011-02-09 06:07:31 <[Noodles]> and then i replaced that 5570 by a 5970 ^.^
 955 2011-02-09 06:10:08 <poseidon> I wonder how many khash/s I would get if I used 600 of these http://pastebin.com/ZRf3ME8g
 956 2011-02-09 06:10:33 <luke-jr> poseidon: are you trying to waste money?
 957 2011-02-09 06:10:52 <poseidon> luke-jr: how would I be wasting money?
 958 2011-02-09 06:10:53 <luke-jr> poseidon: CPU mining earns less bitcoin than its equivalent cost in power
 959 2011-02-09 06:11:21 <poseidon> well I wouldn't be paying for power.  I would be using my university research cluster :)
 960 2011-02-09 06:11:25 <luke-jr> that is, you might make $5 for every $8 in power you could have saved letting the CPU idle
 961 2011-02-09 06:11:28 <luke-jr> haha
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 963 2011-02-09 06:11:58 <poseidon> they are charging me a shit ton for tuition anyways
 964 2011-02-09 06:12:22 <[Noodles]> yeah and that's why
 965 2011-02-09 06:12:41 <lfm> poseidon: good luck with that, youll prolly get stomped on
 966 2011-02-09 06:13:13 <[Noodles]> can't steal stuff and complain about it getting more expensive
 967 2011-02-09 06:13:30 <[Noodles]> someone has to cover the costs
 968 2011-02-09 06:13:55 <poseidon> yes, but the stolen expense would be distributed amongst 30k+ people.  All profit would go to me
 969 2011-02-09 06:14:22 <poseidon> anyways, not going to do it anyways.  I would get yelled at during the next LUG meeting by the guy who runs the cluster
 970 2011-02-09 06:14:43 <joe_1> i would say do it.
 971 2011-02-09 06:15:04 <joe_1> is the guy a student or a faculty
 972 2011-02-09 06:15:16 <joe_1> rename bitcoin to forktest or something
 973 2011-02-09 06:15:28 <poseidon> faculty
 974 2011-02-09 06:15:36 <[Noodles]> better get some decent GPUs hooked up to that cluster, even more profit for you
 975 2011-02-09 06:15:57 <devon_hillard> block found with 3 shares, damn: 2011-02-08 21:53:15
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 977 2011-02-09 06:16:26 <[Noodles]> i found 2 in about 3hours, yay!
 978 2011-02-09 06:16:50 <luke-jr> still not a single block for me :<
 979 2011-02-09 06:16:58 <[Noodles]> + my bitpennys
 980 2011-02-09 06:17:09 <[Noodles]> been a good day
 981 2011-02-09 06:17:28 <poseidon> so how do I join a pool?
 982 2011-02-09 06:17:56 <poseidon> oh, nm
 983 2011-02-09 06:18:12 <poseidon> google was more helpful than I thought
 984 2011-02-09 06:19:03 <[Noodles]> well, actually there is only 1 public pool so far afaik
 985 2011-02-09 06:19:24 <luke-jr> at least 2
 986 2011-02-09 06:19:28 <luke-jr> I think 3 or 4
 987 2011-02-09 06:19:42 <[Noodles]> bitpenny isnt a pool
 988 2011-02-09 06:19:46 <luke-jr> yes it is
 989 2011-02-09 06:19:48 <[Noodles]> and what's the 3+4?
 990 2011-02-09 06:19:54 <[Noodles]> no its not
 991 2011-02-09 06:20:02 <luke-jr> if I knew, I wouldn't be uncertain
 992 2011-02-09 06:20:04 <[Noodles]> in a pool, someone has to find a block to get me coins
 993 2011-02-09 06:20:14 <[Noodles]> not at bitpenny
 994 2011-02-09 06:20:14 <luke-jr> so now you're redefining pool
 995 2011-02-09 06:20:34 <[Noodles]> not really
 996 2011-02-09 06:20:38 <joe_1> LobsterMan
 997 2011-02-09 06:20:46 <OneFixt> [Noodles] what do you think I should call it, it's not a "pool" like you said
 998 2011-02-09 06:21:00 <lfm> thats just one definition, there are others
 999 2011-02-09 06:21:02 <OneFixt> most people might not care, but technically there's a difference
1000 2011-02-09 06:21:07 <[Noodles]> but at bitpenny, i actually don't even care what i'm hashing for
1001 2011-02-09 06:21:20 <[Noodles]> if it's for bitcoin-blocks or anything else
1002 2011-02-09 06:21:30 <[Noodles]> i get paid either way
1003 2011-02-09 06:21:32 <OneFixt> you can also be the only person hashing, at a slow speed, and not have to wait for the block to be found
1004 2011-02-09 06:21:33 <luke-jr> there are different kinds of pools
1005 2011-02-09 06:21:53 <OneFixt> so for now I call it an 'instant-payout pool'
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1007 2011-02-09 06:22:39 <lfm> if a pool is just a system for spreading the risk, difficulkty and reward around a set of minres then they are all pools
1008 2011-02-09 06:23:18 <OneFixt> yes, pretty much. the difference here is that the risk is entirely on the server and the miners don't care about each other
1009 2011-02-09 06:23:25 <luke-jr> a pool is multiple people *pool*ing their resources toward a single node
1010 2011-02-09 06:23:34 <[Noodles]> that's the point, there is no risk on bitpenny + there is no reward-spread
1011 2011-02-09 06:24:00 <lfm> the reward is spread statisticly
1012 2011-02-09 06:24:18 <luke-jr> bitpenny can be gamed ;)
1013 2011-02-09 06:24:25 <lfm> spread even more evenly than other pools
1014 2011-02-09 06:24:39 <OneFixt> well, you don't compete with any other miners, the reward is based only on your own work
1015 2011-02-09 06:25:14 <OneFixt> luke-jr: it can't really be gained to any advantage
1016 2011-02-09 06:25:19 <OneFixt> gamed*
1017 2011-02-09 06:25:20 <[Noodles]> whatever it's called, the more i think about and use it, the more i like it
1018 2011-02-09 06:25:34 <OneFixt> it's a lot more relaxing, isn't it?
1019 2011-02-09 06:25:40 <[Noodles]> yeah
1020 2011-02-09 06:25:45 <luke-jr> OneFixt: I think it can, if you released the algorithms
1021 2011-02-09 06:26:21 <luke-jr> tbh, I see no real difference between bitpenny and slush's pool
1022 2011-02-09 06:26:26 <luke-jr> except that bitpenny pays out 70%
1023 2011-02-09 06:26:32 <luke-jr> and slush's only 50%
1024 2011-02-09 06:26:33 <[Noodles]> untrue
1025 2011-02-09 06:26:50 <luke-jr> in my experience
1026 2011-02-09 06:27:13 <OneFixt> your 5-minute statistics =)
1027 2011-02-09 06:27:23 <luke-jr> slush's statistic was a day :P
1028 2011-02-09 06:27:26 <OneFixt> no pressure, don't use it, mine on your own
1029 2011-02-09 06:27:35 <[Noodles]> 20hours-> 87.2%
1030 2011-02-09 06:28:13 <[Noodles]> at ~295Mhash/s
1031 2011-02-09 06:28:35 <luke-jr> on the other hand, self-mining has gotten me 0%
1032 2011-02-09 06:28:41 <OneFixt> yep, exactly =)
1033 2011-02-09 06:28:52 <luke-jr> and that's a 5 day statistic now
1034 2011-02-09 06:29:06 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 265000
1035 2011-02-09 06:29:06 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 265000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 4 days, 21 hours, 2 minutes, and 38 seconds
1036 2011-02-09 06:29:10 <OneFixt> i'm not trying to rip anyone off here, sometimes it's much more profitable to get nearly 90% FOR SURE than to try to get 100% and fail
1037 2011-02-09 06:29:18 <OneFixt> especially if prices are high and you want to sell while they're high
1038 2011-02-09 06:29:35 <luke-jr> so at this point, the best it will get is like 88%
1039 2011-02-09 06:29:48 <OneFixt> yes, 90% plus your network overhead
1040 2011-02-09 06:29:51 <OneFixt> err, minus
1041 2011-02-09 06:29:57 <OneFixt> but that's also the worst that it'll get
1042 2011-02-09 06:30:04 <luke-jr> no, I mean self-mining
1043 2011-02-09 06:30:23 <luke-jr> if I found my first block right now, I'd get 88% of what I "should"
1044 2011-02-09 06:30:33 <OneFixt> right, and then you never know what happens next
1045 2011-02-09 06:30:44 <OneFixt> you're already no better off than at bitpenny, apparently
1046 2011-02-09 06:30:51 <luke-jr> :p
1047 2011-02-09 06:30:57 <luke-jr> I should get 10 blocks tonight ;)
1048 2011-02-09 06:31:12 <OneFixt> if only it worked that way, i'd be betting on roulette right now =D
1049 2011-02-09 06:31:18 <[Noodles]> might take another 4days from now
1050 2011-02-09 06:31:33 <[Noodles]> to get a single one, not 10 ^.^
1051 2011-02-09 06:31:34 <luke-jr> but SHA256 isn't secure.
1052 2011-02-09 06:31:44 * OneFixt scratches his head
1053 2011-02-09 06:31:46 <luke-jr> well, it is, but not 100%
1054 2011-02-09 06:31:58 <luke-jr> because random doesn't exist really
1055 2011-02-09 06:32:06 <OneFixt> yes, but it's irrelevant in this case
1056 2011-02-09 06:32:09 <luke-jr> night
1057 2011-02-09 06:32:19 <OneFixt> cya
1058 2011-02-09 06:33:10 Ljrn900 has joined
1059 2011-02-09 06:33:16 <Ljrn900> k back
1060 2011-02-09 06:33:19 <Ljrn900> in bed
1061 2011-02-09 06:34:01 <Syke> My DiabloMiner isn't going full speed. One of my cards keeps down-clocking.
1062 2011-02-09 06:34:06 <Ljrn900> OneFixt, the relevance is that what we consider random may in fact be God's will and therefore prayer may help ;p
1063 2011-02-09 06:34:35 <lfm> Ljrn900: that soulds like the basis for a new pool
1064 2011-02-09 06:35:09 <Kiba> so
1065 2011-02-09 06:35:11 <Kiba> folks
1066 2011-02-09 06:35:22 <Kiba> read The Bitcoin Weekly yet?
1067 2011-02-09 06:35:28 <OneFixt> Ljrn900: if you are referring to micro-psychokinesis, then yes
1068 2011-02-09 06:36:10 <Ljrn900> OneFixt, I am not God
1069 2011-02-09 06:36:17 <Ljrn900> Kiba, ton of typos
1070 2011-02-09 06:36:19 <OneFixt> you don't have to be
1071 2011-02-09 06:36:27 <Kiba> Ljrn900: in my story?
1072 2011-02-09 06:36:34 <OneFixt> prayer can actually help, but that's one long discussion for a different forum
1073 2011-02-09 06:36:35 <Ljrn900> Kiba, yes
1074 2011-02-09 06:36:37 <Kiba> :(
1075 2011-02-09 06:36:47 <Ljrn900> scroll up
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1077 2011-02-09 06:37:15 <Ljrn900> Kiba, hiring a proofreader?
1078 2011-02-09 06:37:24 <Kiba> scroll where?
1079 2011-02-09 06:37:34 <Ljrn900> way up in the channel
1080 2011-02-09 06:37:46 <Ljrn900> where I commented
1081 2011-02-09 06:37:52 <Ljrn900> lots of *s
1082 2011-02-09 06:38:29 <Kiba> lot of missing s?
1083 2011-02-09 06:38:44 <Ljrn900> no
1084 2011-02-09 06:38:58 <Ljrn900> * characters, in my critique
1085 2011-02-09 06:39:08 <Kiba> characters?
1086 2011-02-09 06:39:17 <Ljrn900> '*'
1087 2011-02-09 06:39:39 <Ljrn900> char a = '*';
1088 2011-02-09 06:39:54 <Ljrn900> find a in your scrollback
1089 2011-02-09 06:40:07 <Ljrn900> understand now???
1090 2011-02-09 06:40:12 <Kiba> Nope.
1091 2011-02-09 06:40:18 <Kiba> I dont' see your name anywhere
1092 2011-02-09 06:40:23 * Ljrn900 facepalms
1093 2011-02-09 06:40:34 <Ljrn900> luke-jr
1094 2011-02-09 06:41:16 <Kiba> where did you type critque?
1095 2011-02-09 06:41:31 <Ljrn900> on this channel
1096 2011-02-09 06:41:48 <Kiba> I don't see anything
1097 2011-02-09 06:41:52 <Ljrn900> immediately after you linked it last
1098 2011-02-09 06:42:35 <Kiba> I see
1099 2011-02-09 06:45:44 bk128 has quit (Quit: bk128)
1100 2011-02-09 06:47:12 <Ljrn900> finally
1101 2011-02-09 06:47:57 <Ljrn900> Kiba, anyhow if you're hiring a proofreader maybe my wife might be interested
1102 2011-02-09 06:48:17 <Kiba> I proof read two times :/
1103 2011-02-09 06:48:25 <Ljrn900> lol?
1104 2011-02-09 06:48:44 <Ljrn900> she studied English in college :p
1105 2011-02-09 06:48:56 <Kiba> that's not the point. I sucks at spelling
1106 2011-02-09 06:49:11 <Ljrn900> she doesn't
1107 2011-02-09 06:49:44 <Ljrn900> neither do i, but you can't afford me :P
1108 2011-02-09 06:50:04 <Kiba> Ljrn900: I have no intention of relying on proof reader to check my spelling...I'll insitute a program of learning my spelling
1109 2011-02-09 06:50:26 <Ljrn900> insitute is not a word
1110 2011-02-09 06:51:02 <Ljrn900> XD
1111 2011-02-09 06:51:15 bk128 has joined
1112 2011-02-09 06:52:37 <Ljrn900> going to sleep now ttyl
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1114 2011-02-09 06:57:09 <poseidon> ;;bc,7138070
1115 2011-02-09 06:57:09 <gribble> Error: "bc,7138070" is not a valid command.
1116 2011-02-09 06:57:35 <poseidon> ;;bc,calc 7138070
1117 2011-02-09 06:57:56 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
1118 2011-02-09 06:58:24 <poseidon> ;;bc,calc 7138070
1119 2011-02-09 06:58:43 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 7138070 Khps, given current difficulty of timed out , is 4 hours, 20 minutes, and 42 seconds
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1127 2011-02-09 07:18:14 <Mango-chan> hi
1128 2011-02-09 07:18:42 <Mango-chan> anyone -v-
1129 2011-02-09 07:19:00 <lfm> hi
1130 2011-02-09 07:19:23 <Mango-chan> anyone using pooled mining?
1131 2011-02-09 07:19:37 <[Noodles]> more or less
1132 2011-02-09 07:19:46 <lfm> I am not but I might be able to answer questions anyway
1133 2011-02-09 07:20:33 <Mango-chan> let's say i'm on the "i don't really understand side" of the spectrum of the whole economics
1134 2011-02-09 07:20:39 <Mango-chan> at the current rate of growth
1135 2011-02-09 07:21:08 <Mango-chan> using pooled mining, the payout btc/share will decrease?
1136 2011-02-09 07:21:14 <Mango-chan> over time that is
1137 2011-02-09 07:21:38 <lfm> if the difficulty keeps increasing, ya
1138 2011-02-09 07:21:43 <Mango-chan> but
1139 2011-02-09 07:21:45 <[Noodles]> btc/share yes
1140 2011-02-09 07:21:57 <Mango-chan> even if we assume userbase growth?
1141 2011-02-09 07:22:02 <Mango-chan> for that specific pool
1142 2011-02-09 07:22:06 <lfm> ya
1143 2011-02-09 07:22:15 <[Noodles]> difficulty doesnt matter, it's number of other swimmers that counts for btc/share
1144 2011-02-09 07:22:33 <Mango-chan> well
1145 2011-02-09 07:22:35 <Mango-chan> let's say btc/hour
1146 2011-02-09 07:22:42 <Mango-chan> i guess share isn't a good way to put it
1147 2011-02-09 07:22:46 <lfm> difficulty matter for how often blocks are found and pay out
1148 2011-02-09 07:22:58 <[Noodles]> btc/hr or /day should stay the same for 2016blocks
1149 2011-02-09 07:23:10 <Mango-chan> say i'm using mining.bitcoin.cz
1150 2011-02-09 07:23:41 <lfm> ok
1151 2011-02-09 07:23:54 <Mango-chan> if i put in one hour of work
1152 2011-02-09 07:23:57 <Mango-chan> to mine
1153 2011-02-09 07:23:58 <lfm> we mostly call it slush's pool
1154 2011-02-09 07:24:01 <Mango-chan> oh
1155 2011-02-09 07:24:01 <Mango-chan> ok
1156 2011-02-09 07:24:22 <Mango-chan> if i put in one hour's of work today, let's say i get 1btc
1157 2011-02-09 07:24:27 <Mango-chan> in a months time
1158 2011-02-09 07:24:35 <Mango-chan> i would get less right?
1159 2011-02-09 07:24:49 <OneFixt> you'll get less whenever difficulty goes up
1160 2011-02-09 07:24:52 <lfm> assuming the difficulty went up you prolly get less ya
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1162 2011-02-09 07:25:21 <Mango-chan> what is the rate of the difficulty growth rate
1163 2011-02-09 07:25:22 <[Noodles]> that's not limited to pooled mining though, it's the same when mining on your own
1164 2011-02-09 07:25:25 <Mango-chan> and the appreciation of bitcoins
1165 2011-02-09 07:25:38 <lfm> ;;bc,stats
1166 2011-02-09 07:25:39 <gribble> Current Blocks: 107031 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 1832 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 23 hours, 36 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 30270.94176851
1167 2011-02-09 07:25:41 <Mango-chan> which is faster going
1168 2011-02-09 07:26:02 <[Noodles]> for faster payouts, the pool
1169 2011-02-09 07:26:03 <lfm> it varies
1170 2011-02-09 07:26:39 <Mango-chan> has anyone mined with a pool for long amounts of time
1171 2011-02-09 07:26:42 <[Noodles]> but your overall-earnings are equal, or should be (- network overhead)
1172 2011-02-09 07:27:03 <Mango-chan> willing to share data etc?
1173 2011-02-09 07:27:04 <[Noodles]> few weeks, yes, actually since it started
1174 2011-02-09 07:27:33 <Mango-chan> continuously?
1175 2011-02-09 07:27:34 <lfm> the exchange rate on mtgox for instance tends to go up in spurts within a single day or two
1176 2011-02-09 07:28:14 <[Noodles]> more or less continuously, but i'm not on it right now, stopped a few days ago
1177 2011-02-09 07:28:22 <Mango-chan> oh
1178 2011-02-09 07:28:36 <Mango-chan> are you willing to share your payout rate graph on the site? -3-;
1179 2011-02-09 07:28:50 <Mango-chan> or even just numbers is fine
1180 2011-02-09 07:29:23 <Mango-chan> has it been equal over the weeks
1181 2011-02-09 07:29:24 <[Noodles]> it's been quite ok, just a few (single digit) % less than expected
1182 2011-02-09 07:29:35 <Mango-chan> or did it drop
1183 2011-02-09 07:29:40 <Mango-chan> decline over the weeks
1184 2011-02-09 07:29:41 <[Noodles]> expected=average time
1185 2011-02-09 07:29:53 <[Noodles]> no, it didn't drop
1186 2011-02-09 07:30:02 <Mango-chan> even though the difficulty increased?
1187 2011-02-09 07:30:07 <[Noodles]> there's good days and bad days
1188 2011-02-09 07:30:18 <Mango-chan> oh
1189 2011-02-09 07:30:40 <[Noodles]> well, when difficulty increases my average caclculations also change
1190 2011-02-09 07:30:41 <afed> SLUSH
1191 2011-02-09 07:31:03 <afed> lol @ this block
1192 2011-02-09 07:31:06 <afed> 8662011-02-08 21:53:150:00:073none106959
1193 2011-02-09 07:31:09 <[Noodles]> started on slush's pool with >50btc/day
1194 2011-02-09 07:31:10 <afed> 3 shares
1195 2011-02-09 07:31:19 <[Noodles]> now i would get ~35btc/day
1196 2011-02-09 07:31:21 <afed> who made a killing on that one
1197 2011-02-09 07:31:28 <Mango-chan> what hardware?
1198 2011-02-09 07:31:36 <[Noodles]> caused by difficulty, not by more pool-users
1199 2011-02-09 07:31:46 <Mango-chan> oh
1200 2011-02-09 07:31:52 <[Noodles]> 5850+5970
1201 2011-02-09 07:32:25 <Mango-chan> so here comes my ultimate question
1202 2011-02-09 07:32:29 <[Noodles]> 3GPUs combined <880Mhash/s
1203 2011-02-09 07:32:30 <lfm> more pool users would balance out. you get more blocks found and share em with more people
1204 2011-02-09 07:32:57 <Mango-chan> run pooled mining for a month
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1206 2011-02-09 07:33:09 <Mango-chan> get btc
1207 2011-02-09 07:33:39 <nevezen> I made 10 btc in a month of running a gpu miner in a pool.
1208 2011-02-09 07:33:45 <Mango-chan> used said btc to invest in new hardware (assuming the numbers somehow workout)
1209 2011-02-09 07:34:06 <Mango-chan> what are the potential problems with this idea
1210 2011-02-09 07:34:13 <lfm> mango do you pay for electricity?
1211 2011-02-09 07:34:18 <Mango-chan> no
1212 2011-02-09 07:34:22 <[Noodles]> none
1213 2011-02-09 07:34:27 <Mango-chan> well
1214 2011-02-09 07:34:29 <Mango-chan> even with electricity
1215 2011-02-09 07:34:36 <[Noodles]> that's exactly what i did, all my ATI cards are paid by bitcoins
1216 2011-02-09 07:34:49 <lfm> Mango-chan: you can make lots then if you get free electricity
1217 2011-02-09 07:35:02 <Mango-chan> how does the electricity work out?
1218 2011-02-09 07:35:14 <[Noodles]> i'm waiting for the delivery-guy to bring in 2new 5850 just now ^.^
1219 2011-02-09 07:35:32 <Mango-chan> [Noodles]
1220 2011-02-09 07:35:36 <Mango-chan> do you pay for your own electricity
1221 2011-02-09 07:35:40 <[Noodles]> sure
1222 2011-02-09 07:35:41 <lfm> Mango-chan: depends how much you pay for it, the cost of electricity is different everywhere
1223 2011-02-09 07:35:52 <[Noodles]> and my electricity is quite expensive too
1224 2011-02-09 07:36:01 <Mango-chan> yeah
1225 2011-02-09 07:36:02 <Mango-chan> i mean
1226 2011-02-09 07:36:08 <[Noodles]> $~.28
1227 2011-02-09 07:36:17 <Mango-chan> assuming an extra setup
1228 2011-02-09 07:37:13 <Mango-chan> uhh
1229 2011-02-09 07:37:13 <afed> .08 usd per kwatt hour
1230 2011-02-09 07:37:18 <Mango-chan> would use 2000w
1231 2011-02-09 07:37:18 <afed> makes way more money than that
1232 2011-02-09 07:37:48 <[Noodles]> 2000W? for what?
1233 2011-02-09 07:38:05 <Mango-chan> 4 5970s? -v-
1234 2011-02-09 07:38:08 <lfm> thats like 10 syatems at least
1235 2011-02-09 07:38:13 <Mango-chan> well yeah
1236 2011-02-09 07:38:17 <Mango-chan> even at his price of elctricity
1237 2011-02-09 07:38:20 <Mango-chan> it would be 400$
1238 2011-02-09 07:38:29 <[Noodles]> afed: as said, i pay about 28-29cents per kWh and still make enough profit
1239 2011-02-09 07:38:34 <Mango-chan> yeah
1240 2011-02-09 07:38:41 <afed> nice
1241 2011-02-09 07:38:41 <Mango-chan> wouldn't the btc payout >>>>>>>>>>>>> electricity cost
1242 2011-02-09 07:38:47 <Mango-chan> therefore earning you a profit?
1243 2011-02-09 07:38:54 <afed> you should get cheaper electricity though
1244 2011-02-09 07:39:00 <[Noodles]> hehe
1245 2011-02-09 07:39:03 <afed> move to a different country or state
1246 2011-02-09 07:39:11 <[Noodles]> i'll have to move to a different country though
1247 2011-02-09 07:39:14 <lfm> with 5970s at current difficulty yes
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1249 2011-02-09 07:39:50 <Mango-chan> well didn't noodles say w/ the difficulty changes
1250 2011-02-09 07:39:58 <Mango-chan> he was still making enough to cover his hardware costs?
1251 2011-02-09 07:40:01 <lfm> and current exchange rates and current electricity prices, all those factors change over time
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1253 2011-02-09 07:40:14 <Mango-chan> will exchange rates go up
1254 2011-02-09 07:40:24 <lfm> maybe up maybe down
1255 2011-02-09 07:40:29 <Mango-chan> well general trend
1256 2011-02-09 07:40:30 <[Noodles]> hopefully ^.^
1257 2011-02-09 07:40:34 <[Noodles]> but noone can tell
1258 2011-02-09 07:40:36 <Mango-chan> isn't it up?
1259 2011-02-09 07:40:44 <Mango-chan> or am i extrapolating too far
1260 2011-02-09 07:40:47 <lfm> we dont know the future
1261 2011-02-09 07:41:07 <Mango-chan> well assuming i start now
1262 2011-02-09 07:41:19 <Mango-chan> wouldn't the worse case sceanrio be having extra gpus lying around
1263 2011-02-09 07:41:28 <[Noodles]> the sooner you start, the more bitcoins you'll be able to generate
1264 2011-02-09 07:41:41 <[Noodles]> that's the only thing one can say
1265 2011-02-09 07:41:49 <lfm> worst caseÉ you could spend a LOT on gpus and never get it back
1266 2011-02-09 07:41:55 <Mango-chan> no
1267 2011-02-09 07:42:01 <Mango-chan> use the btc generated to buy gpus
1268 2011-02-09 07:42:10 <Mango-chan> assuming numbers work
1269 2011-02-09 07:42:15 <Mango-chan> out
1270 2011-02-09 07:42:16 <Mango-chan> like [Noodles] did
1271 2011-02-09 07:42:39 <[Noodles]> well, you won't get a decent GPU for 10btc in the near future
1272 2011-02-09 07:43:14 <lfm> there are no gaurantees. the echange rate could crash. that would spoil a lot of plans just that alone
1273 2011-02-09 07:43:38 <afed> 10 btc could be $300 in the future
1274 2011-02-09 07:43:44 <afed> enough to buy a 5870
1275 2011-02-09 07:43:50 <Mango-chan> by that time
1276 2011-02-09 07:43:55 <Mango-chan> there'll be more powerful gpus
1277 2011-02-09 07:43:56 <[Noodles]> that's why i said 'near'
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1279 2011-02-09 07:44:59 <[Noodles]> have to say that i started mining (on CPUs) back in may2010
1280 2011-02-09 07:45:16 <Mango-chan> it sucks how i have access to cpu farms
1281 2011-02-09 07:45:16 <[Noodles]> at a difficulty of 10 or so
1282 2011-02-09 07:45:30 <Mango-chan> but using them for btc mining = lol
1283 2011-02-09 07:45:41 <Mango-chan> need more gpu farms -3-
1284 2011-02-09 07:46:05 <midnightmagic_> that's some pretty optimistic people hanging out at a buck-and-a-half!
1285 2011-02-09 07:47:06 <Mango-chan> i mean, there's not much i can lose right
1286 2011-02-09 07:47:37 <[Noodles]> besides the investment of card/power, no
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1288 2011-02-09 07:48:11 <Mango-chan> [Noodles] when did you get your gpus?
1289 2011-02-09 07:48:20 <afed> you can get some return on the card
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1292 2011-02-09 07:49:04 <[Noodles]> 5850 in okt/sept, 5970 in dec, 2x5850 today (i guess)
1293 2011-02-09 07:49:57 <[Noodles]> was more like sept i think, first used a gtx260 in oktober
1294 2011-02-09 07:50:15 <[Noodles]> but that was too damn slow consuming to much power :D
1295 2011-02-09 07:51:00 <Mango-chan> eta till 6990 comes out
1296 2011-02-09 07:51:34 <[Noodles]> no idea, i'd rather take another 5970 anyway, but they are already hard to get
1297 2011-02-09 07:53:08 <[Noodles]> still got one free PCIe-slot :D
1298 2011-02-09 07:53:53 <Mango-chan> what board?
1299 2011-02-09 07:53:54 <Mango-chan> also
1300 2011-02-09 07:53:56 <Mango-chan> what about the heat?
1301 2011-02-09 07:54:22 <lfm> watts = heat
1302 2011-02-09 07:54:41 <[Noodles]> heat heats my place ^.^
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1306 2011-02-09 07:57:03 <Mango-chan> so why do people still waste their computational power to fold proteins
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1308 2011-02-09 07:57:22 <[Noodles]> ask them
1309 2011-02-09 07:57:35 <lfm> its not a waste. it might cure disease
1310 2011-02-09 07:58:04 <Mango-chan> ~might~
1311 2011-02-09 07:58:10 <nevezen> you're donating your computations for science.
1312 2011-02-09 07:58:17 <lfm> I dont think curing disease is a waste
1313 2011-02-09 07:58:29 <Mango-chan> with the money put into it
1314 2011-02-09 07:58:34 <Mango-chan> why don't you just donate it
1315 2011-02-09 07:58:37 <Mango-chan> i think that would be better
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1317 2011-02-09 07:58:57 <nevezen> better for whom?
1318 2011-02-09 07:59:23 <lfm> how do I donate the computer time I already own and pay forÉ it would be a waste NOT to use it
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1320 2011-02-09 08:00:13 <Mango-chan> all right i guess that's a good argument
1321 2011-02-09 08:00:22 <Mango-chan> but what about people who buy setups
1322 2011-02-09 08:00:23 <Mango-chan> just to fold
1323 2011-02-09 08:00:44 <nevezen> I guess that's up to them.
1324 2011-02-09 08:00:46 <lfm> I guess they really want to cure disease
1325 2011-02-09 08:01:23 <[Noodles]> or just attention-whores, they wanna be on top of the list
1326 2011-02-09 08:01:28 <Mango-chan> ^
1327 2011-02-09 08:01:28 <lfm> it is also educational and even fun for some people
1328 2011-02-09 08:01:42 <Mango-chan> watching your computer fold...?
1329 2011-02-09 08:02:00 <lfm> obviously you dont get it
1330 2011-02-09 08:02:52 <nevezen> how does the exchange rate between real currency and bitcoin work?
1331 2011-02-09 08:02:57 <[Noodles]> why do people spend money on stuff they don't need?
1332 2011-02-09 08:03:05 <[Noodles]> because they want to
1333 2011-02-09 08:03:14 <lfm> nevezen: see mygox.com
1334 2011-02-09 08:03:28 <lfm> nevezen: see mtgox.com
1335 2011-02-09 08:03:38 <lfm> typo
1336 2011-02-09 08:04:29 <midnightmagic_> it's just whatever someone is willing to pay to someone who is willing to sell.. and when those two agree that a sale happens, that's the new price of btc.
1337 2011-02-09 08:05:28 <nevezen> even when bitcoins have no inherent value?
1338 2011-02-09 08:05:41 <Mango-chan> yes
1339 2011-02-09 08:05:44 <Mango-chan> that's the magic of bitcoins
1340 2011-02-09 08:06:21 <lfm> its the same as any market really
1341 2011-02-09 08:06:44 <Mango-chan> well in this day and age i do think it's kind of magical
1342 2011-02-09 08:06:48 <Mango-chan> it's not backed by anything
1343 2011-02-09 08:07:13 <Mango-chan> well, if anything, the idea itself
1344 2011-02-09 08:07:16 <joe_1> it's the digital version of gold
1345 2011-02-09 08:07:19 <lfm> works just like the commodity exchanges all over the world
1346 2011-02-09 08:07:46 <nevezen> real world currency is backed up by their governments/country. What is bitcoin backed by? Just the idea of an anonymous exchange service?
1347 2011-02-09 08:08:13 <lfm> ya and bitcoin may be MORE reliabl;e, how bout that!
1348 2011-02-09 08:08:22 <midnightmagic_> the mathematical proof that it was hard to create, that it is hard to forge, and that transactions are irrevocable.
1349 2011-02-09 08:08:54 <Mango-chan> IT'S MAGICAL
1350 2011-02-09 08:09:06 <midnightmagic_> the distributed nature of its participants, minting, and transactions
1351 2011-02-09 08:09:40 <midnightmagic_> the semi-anonymous transaction mechanisms, and finally, the fact that we use it without the threat of violence hanging over our heads.
1352 2011-02-09 08:10:04 <lfm> any technology that is beyond the current understanding seems magical (like CLarke`s law I think)
1353 2011-02-09 08:10:06 <midnightmagic_> think of it as the first step on the road to communism.
1354 2011-02-09 08:10:24 <[Noodles]> lol
1355 2011-02-09 08:10:57 <nevezen> I can only wonder what would happen if bitcoin gets outlawed
1356 2011-02-09 08:11:21 <midnightmagic_> .. I guess also the limited supply, the slow release of coins into the economy, the fact that its creator hasn't been pinned to a specific human and hasn't been publically heard-from since mid-December..
1357 2011-02-09 08:11:22 <lfm> people used to think plain ole electricity was magical, then radio and TV were magical
1358 2011-02-09 08:11:54 <midnightmagic_> at a certain point, bitcoins will become immortal. critical mass for this to happen has not happened yet, imo.
1359 2011-02-09 08:11:57 <nevezen> it's all computational midnightmagic.
1360 2011-02-09 08:12:09 <nevezen> nothing tangible, just digital.
1361 2011-02-09 08:12:21 <[Noodles]> perfect in a digital world, isn't it?
1362 2011-02-09 08:12:22 <midnightmagic_> more democratic in nature than merely computational.
1363 2011-02-09 08:12:35 <Mango-chan> so
1364 2011-02-09 08:12:40 <Mango-chan> when will we see our btc millionaire
1365 2011-02-09 08:12:44 <Mango-chan> +first
1366 2011-02-09 08:12:51 <Mango-chan> [Noodles]
1367 2011-02-09 08:12:56 <Mango-chan> what settings do you run your main gpu on?
1368 2011-02-09 08:13:06 <midnightmagic_> democratically computational..
1369 2011-02-09 08:13:10 <[Noodles]> theres only 5.something million coins in existance
1370 2011-02-09 08:13:12 <lfm> Mango-chan: most think there are alsready one or two btc millionairs
1371 2011-02-09 08:13:35 <Mango-chan> lol
1372 2011-02-09 08:13:37 <nevezen> heh, democratically computational. I can't understand that word combo..
1373 2011-02-09 08:13:37 <[Noodles]> main-GPU?
1374 2011-02-09 08:13:40 <Mango-chan> yeah
1375 2011-02-09 08:13:45 <midnightmagic_> that is because it is poetry.
1376 2011-02-09 08:13:48 <Mango-chan> like how did you combat
1377 2011-02-09 08:13:49 <Mango-chan> the lag
1378 2011-02-09 08:13:50 <Mango-chan> you get
1379 2011-02-09 08:13:52 <nevezen> hehe
1380 2011-02-09 08:13:54 <Mango-chan> from gpu mining
1381 2011-02-09 08:13:54 <[Noodles]> actually, they all get about the same hash-count, so none of them, is main
1382 2011-02-09 08:14:04 <Mango-chan> no like the one
1383 2011-02-09 08:14:06 <citiz3n> why are 5970s A) so damned expensive and B) hard to come by?
1384 2011-02-09 08:14:07 <Mango-chan> that handles all the system processing
1385 2011-02-09 08:14:16 <midnightmagic_> citiz3n: they were discontinued.
1386 2011-02-09 08:14:23 <nevezen> mining is like the underlying incentive to use bitcoin, isn't it?
1387 2011-02-09 08:14:32 <midnightmagic_> nevezen: no.
1388 2011-02-09 08:14:41 <joe_1> has ATI noticed increased demand for GPU's due to bitcoin?
1389 2011-02-09 08:14:47 <Mango-chan> lol
1390 2011-02-09 08:14:51 <Mango-chan> waiting cautiously for my 6990
1391 2011-02-09 08:15:06 <midnightmagic_> joe_1: there really aren't that many people with 5970 running bitcoin..
1392 2011-02-09 08:15:07 <[Noodles]> the one handling the processing/solving blocks/connecting to bitcoin-network isn't even mining
1393 2011-02-09 08:15:18 <nevezen> then what? people mine just because they can bank on the knowledge that btc is redeemable?
1394 2011-02-09 08:15:37 <Mango-chan> wait
1395 2011-02-09 08:15:38 <midnightmagic_> nevezen: that is a separate question. which question would you like answered first?
1396 2011-02-09 08:15:38 <Mango-chan> [Noodles]
1397 2011-02-09 08:15:44 <Mango-chan> you have 3 gpu cores
1398 2011-02-09 08:15:47 <lfm> bitcoin is tiny compared to games that need gpus to work right.
1399 2011-02-09 08:15:48 <Mango-chan> 2 on your 5970
1400 2011-02-09 08:15:49 <[Noodles]> yeah
1401 2011-02-09 08:15:51 <Mango-chan> 1 on your 5850
1402 2011-02-09 08:15:52 <Mango-chan> so
1403 2011-02-09 08:15:53 <Mango-chan> you run 3miners
1404 2011-02-09 08:15:55 <Mango-chan> ?
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1406 2011-02-09 08:15:57 <[Noodles]> yeah
1407 2011-02-09 08:16:00 <Mango-chan> then yeah
1408 2011-02-09 08:16:04 <Mango-chan> i have 2x6950s
1409 2011-02-09 08:16:07 <Mango-chan> i'm running 2 miners
1410 2011-02-09 08:16:08 <[Noodles]> but they are all connected to a single bitcoin-client
1411 2011-02-09 08:16:09 <Mango-chan> but
1412 2011-02-09 08:16:17 <Mango-chan> whenever i use anything gpu-accelerated
1413 2011-02-09 08:16:19 <Mango-chan> it'd lag like fuck
1414 2011-02-09 08:16:24 <Mango-chan> well freeze my system
1415 2011-02-09 08:16:28 <[Noodles]> what miner?
1416 2011-02-09 08:16:36 <[Noodles]> what OS?
1417 2011-02-09 08:16:38 <nevezen> that was two separate questions? meh.
1418 2011-02-09 08:16:42 <Mango-chan> w7
1419 2011-02-09 08:16:47 <Mango-chan> the python on
1420 2011-02-09 08:17:07 <nevezen> ok, so why exactly do people mine?
1421 2011-02-09 08:17:15 <[Noodles]> try -f 120, less lag but also a bit less hashes/s
1422 2011-02-09 08:17:23 <Mango-chan> what f do you use
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1424 2011-02-09 08:17:33 <[Noodles]> depends
1425 2011-02-09 08:17:45 <[Noodles]> 70/80 on 5970 GPUs
1426 2011-02-09 08:17:53 <[Noodles]> 5 on 5850
1427 2011-02-09 08:18:13 <midnightmagic_> nevezen: people mine to guarantee the security of the network; to be rewarded with bitcoins which can be spent or sold; as a fun hobby; and some as a means to a philosophical end.
1428 2011-02-09 08:18:52 <nevezen> so it's a reward for maintaing the network
1429 2011-02-09 08:18:53 <midnightmagic_> nevezen: the design of mining was to build security into the network. it is through mining that the network achieves its safety from attack.
1430 2011-02-09 08:19:16 <midnightmagic_> in part, but is not the only reward.
1431 2011-02-09 08:19:34 <Mango-chan> >nevezen: the design of mining was to build security into the network.
1432 2011-02-09 08:19:35 <Mango-chan> how?
1433 2011-02-09 08:19:44 <midnightmagic_> nevezen: if you are a journalist, may I suggest a less brazen approach.
1434 2011-02-09 08:20:24 <[Noodles]> the design of mining is hardly needed to oprocess all of our transactions, rewarded or not, it has to be done
1435 2011-02-09 08:20:24 <midnightmagic_> Mango-chan: that is a little more complicated. at its core, if all the people mining have more cpu power than an attacker, an attacker can't manipulate the network to do naughty things.
1436 2011-02-09 08:20:35 <[Noodles]> -o
1437 2011-02-09 08:21:00 <[Noodles]> no miners==no more blocks==no more transactions
1438 2011-02-09 08:21:25 <[Noodles]> bitcoin would die immediately
1439 2011-02-09 08:21:46 <lfm> its been estimated youd have to have about 200 5970s or equivalent power to take over the main bitcoin net
1440 2011-02-09 08:21:46 <[Noodles]> i doubt that'll happen though, too much profit in this game
1441 2011-02-09 08:21:48 <citiz3n> i don't understand
1442 2011-02-09 08:21:51 <citiz3n> if all miners stopped now
1443 2011-02-09 08:21:55 <midnightmagic_> to actively mine is to protect pre-existing investments as well. So people like Art, for example, have a pretty hefty investment in terms of time, money, and so on. extraction from the bitcoin network at that point would probably be painful for him, or at least time-consuming.
1444 2011-02-09 08:21:58 <citiz3n> the coins that already exist would still exist...
1445 2011-02-09 08:22:04 <citiz3n> much less transactions, true
1446 2011-02-09 08:22:05 <[Noodles]> the coins would exist, yes
1447 2011-02-09 08:22:13 <midnightmagic_> citiz3n: but they couldn't be safely spent.
1448 2011-02-09 08:22:14 <[Noodles]> but you could not transfer tghem to anyone
1449 2011-02-09 08:22:15 <citiz3n> but nothing would be disfunctional
1450 2011-02-09 08:22:23 <[Noodles]> or they will never be confirmed
1451 2011-02-09 08:22:32 <[Noodles]> because no more blocks are created
1452 2011-02-09 08:22:50 <citiz3n> that's where you've lost me
1453 2011-02-09 08:22:51 <midnightmagic_> the coins would not only still exist, but if everyone stopped mining, then a determined attacked could catch up, and even perhaps steal stuff!
1454 2011-02-09 08:22:51 <nevezen> so mining is required..
1455 2011-02-09 08:23:00 <[Noodles]> yes
1456 2011-02-09 08:23:06 <citiz3n> what happens when we reach the limit then
1457 2011-02-09 08:23:08 <[Noodles]> and will be for the rest of bitcoins life
1458 2011-02-09 08:23:11 <midnightmagic_> new transactions are rolled into new blocks as they are created.
1459 2011-02-09 08:23:11 <citiz3n> 21m bitcoins
1460 2011-02-09 08:23:15 <[Noodles]> even if there is no reward
1461 2011-02-09 08:23:26 <midnightmagic_> blocks will just serve as transaction vehicles then
1462 2011-02-09 08:23:32 <midnightmagic_> there will be a reward.
1463 2011-02-09 08:23:38 <midnightmagic_> people will refuse to process transactions for free.
1464 2011-02-09 08:23:39 <lfm> and txn fees
1465 2011-02-09 08:23:50 <midnightmagic_> and they will get transaction fees for mining new blocks.
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1467 2011-02-09 08:24:07 <midnightmagic_> but that's so far off I would be personally surprised if bitcoins survived in their current form.
1468 2011-02-09 08:24:20 <nevezen> then I guess the description on bitcoin.org needs to be revised
1469 2011-02-09 08:24:26 <midnightmagic_> how so?
1470 2011-02-09 08:24:34 <nevezen> bitcoin being a digital peer-to-peer currency
1471 2011-02-09 08:24:55 <nevezen> if mining didn't exist, then the system will fail
1472 2011-02-09 08:25:00 <midnightmagic_> how is it not?
1473 2011-02-09 08:25:18 <[Noodles]> if mining didn't exist, the system didn't exist
1474 2011-02-09 08:25:26 <[Noodles]> nothing there to fail
1475 2011-02-09 08:25:43 <lfm> équit brb
1476 2011-02-09 08:25:51 <midnightmagic_> nevezen: that is a true statement insofar as I think it needs to be interpreted to understand what you mean. :)
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1478 2011-02-09 08:26:12 <ArtForz> whats wrong with the description?
1479 2011-02-09 08:26:13 <nevezen> wait, I'm thinking about mining as in, generating. We all are right?
1480 2011-02-09 08:26:50 <[Noodles]> same thing, mining/generating means 'creating new blocks'
1481 2011-02-09 08:26:51 <nevezen> blocks can't be produced on sending/recieving bitcoins through the network alone, without mining?
1482 2011-02-09 08:27:06 <midnightmagic_> mining is creating blocks. along with that, currently, the network just agrees that people who make blocks can generate 50 coins as part of the process. the block itself doesn't necessarily have to have coins attached. I think.
1483 2011-02-09 08:27:31 <ArtForz> digital? check. peer-to-peer? check. currency? check.
1484 2011-02-09 08:27:32 <midnightmagic_> sending/receiving coins does not produce blocks. mining produces blocks. transactions just sort of ride along with the blocks.
1485 2011-02-09 08:27:44 <nevezen> I see.
1486 2011-02-09 08:27:47 <ArtForz> yep
1487 2011-02-09 08:28:00 <midnightmagic_> when you do a transaction, someone else is gracious enough to let your transaction ride on their blocks.
1488 2011-02-09 08:28:08 <midnightmagic_> er.. "block"
1489 2011-02-09 08:28:12 <ArtForz> yep
1490 2011-02-09 08:28:56 <nevezen> this has little to do with confirmations right?
1491 2011-02-09 08:29:04 <ArtForz> this has everything to do with confirmations
1492 2011-02-09 08:29:06 <midnightmagic_> nevezen is having trouble grasping bitcoinery, Art. same as me in December, but.. more forceful with his questions.
1493 2011-02-09 08:29:44 <ArtForz> # confirmations = # of blocks in the chain after the block a transaction is in
1494 2011-02-09 08:29:47 <midnightmagic_> i do not grasp confirmations yet and would only be guessing. i can't answer anything about confirmations.
1495 2011-02-09 08:30:12 <midnightmagic_> luckily, Art woke up!
1496 2011-02-09 08:30:44 <ArtForz> a transaction not yet accepted into a block is 0/unconfirmed
1497 2011-02-09 08:31:00 <nevezen> are block sizes directly proportional to the number of transactions made?
1498 2011-02-09 08:31:04 <ArtForz> yes
1499 2011-02-09 08:31:39 <ArtForz> well, block size = size of normal transactions contained in block + "generation" transaction + constant size block header
1500 2011-02-09 08:32:02 <midnightmagic_> the previous transactions' merkle tree top-level hash is the only thing needed for the starting point for the next search, right Art?
1501 2011-02-09 08:32:13 <ArtForz> err... no
1502 2011-02-09 08:32:34 <midnightmagic_> what i mean is just in terms of the transactions that comprise one block..?
1503 2011-02-09 08:32:39 <ArtForz> blocks reference their parent block by hash of parents block header
1504 2011-02-09 08:32:57 <midnightmagic_> comprise => are included in
1505 2011-02-09 08:33:16 <ArtForz> yes
1506 2011-02-09 08:34:19 <ArtForz> to search for the next block you really only need the previous block header
1507 2011-02-09 08:34:38 <midnightmagic_> so put another way, the top hash of the previous block's merkle tree of transactions is part of the block header, the previous block header is hashed and used as the starting point for the new block.
1508 2011-02-09 08:35:13 <ArtForz> *blinks*
1509 2011-02-09 08:35:28 <joe_1> yes
1510 2011-02-09 08:35:30 <ArtForz> ... yes
1511 2011-02-09 08:35:58 <ArtForz> the previous/next terminology threw me a curveball
1512 2011-02-09 08:36:03 <midnightmagic_> okay. Satoshi's paper is good, I like it, but it's..  so short on technical detail.
1513 2011-02-09 08:36:28 <midnightmagic_> yeah, i guess sometimes i muddle the language up a little trying to be accurate.
1514 2011-02-09 08:37:01 <nevezen> what is this 21M btc limit number I keep reading about..
1515 2011-02-09 08:37:03 <ArtForz> in the current p2p network protocol all transactions contained in a blocks merkle tree are sent with the block, doesn't have to be that way though
1516 2011-02-09 08:37:23 <ArtForz> it comes from the basic rate at which coins are generated "out of thin air" by finding blocks
1517 2011-02-09 08:37:44 <ArtForz> 50 coins/block for the first 210000 blocks, 25/block for the next 210000, 12.5/block for the next ...
1518 2011-02-09 08:38:07 <ArtForz> until finally after 0.00000001/block there comes 0/block
1519 2011-02-09 08:38:38 <ArtForz> if I rememebr correctly that would be in about 130 years or so at 10 min/block
1520 2011-02-09 08:38:43 <midnightmagic_> nevezen: after a certain amount of blocks, which the network self-adjusts to try to ensure only one block on average every 600 seconds is generated, the network is hard-coded to no longer give anyone any coins. coin rewards will just.. stop.
1521 2011-02-09 08:38:56 <ArtForz> yes
1522 2011-02-09 08:38:57 <joe_1> artforz: a client must be made aware of every transaction in the merkle tree before accepting the block.
1523 2011-02-09 08:39:28 <ArtForz> joe_1: I wouldnt be 100% sure about that
1524 2011-02-09 08:39:57 <ArtForz> I dont think it's really needed for the basic system to work
1525 2011-02-09 08:40:22 <nevezen> this has to do with mining, not simply transactions occurring?
1526 2011-02-09 08:40:53 <joe_1> you could easily double spend if you were able to pass blocks without revealing the transactions inside.
1527 2011-02-09 08:41:20 <midnightmagic_> nevezen: this has to do with the underlying block-generating mechanism which is kept alive by active mining..
1528 2011-02-09 08:42:07 <nevezen> just that.
1529 2011-02-09 08:42:15 <ArtForz> joe_1: hmmm... true
1530 2011-02-09 08:42:50 <Mango-chan> so
1531 2011-02-09 08:42:52 <Mango-chan> where is the creator
1532 2011-02-09 08:42:53 <Mango-chan> of btc
1533 2011-02-09 08:43:00 <midnightmagic_> nevezen: remember, transactions are riders that get tacked onto blocks as they are generated and then become set in the cryptographic history of the block chain.
1534 2011-02-09 08:43:34 <ArtForz> Mango-chan: nobody knows, or admits to knowing ;)
1535 2011-02-09 08:43:41 <nevezen> right, 50 coins waiting to be computed out for the first 210k blocks
1536 2011-02-09 08:43:48 <midnightmagic_> Mango-chan: i'm not convinced he's a real person. I think it's just some spy sent to destabilize in the long-term, western economies.
1537 2011-02-09 08:44:31 <nevezen> that's just fantastical midnightmagic :)
1538 2011-02-09 08:44:41 <ArtForz> spies writing papers, what has the world come to... ;)
1539 2011-02-09 08:45:04 <Mango-chan> wait
1540 2011-02-09 08:45:08 <Mango-chan> who is this satoshi guy
1541 2011-02-09 08:45:11 <midnightmagic_> scientists of the home country writing papers, spies disseminating papers and skeletal code.. :)
1542 2011-02-09 08:45:20 <Mango-chan> is it just a psuedoname?
1543 2011-02-09 08:45:36 <joe_1> he's an american college student
1544 2011-02-09 08:45:40 <ArtForz> Mango-chan: again, nobody knows, or admits to knowing
1545 2011-02-09 08:45:43 <midnightmagic_> Mango-chan: seriously, nobody really knows. I don't recall even hearing the current active developer (gavin) admitting to actually meeting or even speaking live with him. :)
1546 2011-02-09 08:45:46 <midnightmagic_> or her.
1547 2011-02-09 08:45:52 <nevezen> I'd like to think satoshi as the person who created perfect dark.. or something
1548 2011-02-09 08:46:04 <Mango-chan> no
1549 2011-02-09 08:46:05 <midnightmagic_> i don't believe i've seen that movie.. hrm..
1550 2011-02-09 08:46:06 <Mango-chan> that's a different guy
1551 2011-02-09 08:46:15 <Mango-chan> pd is created by KAICHOU
1552 2011-02-09 08:46:33 <nevezen> not a movie midnightmagic :)
1553 2011-02-09 08:46:40 <ArtForz> my personal guess is Satoshi is an alias for a group of students
1554 2011-02-09 08:46:40 <midnightmagic_> ah, fps.
1555 2011-02-09 08:46:45 <Mango-chan> no
1556 2011-02-09 08:46:47 <Mango-chan> it's a dark p2p
1557 2011-02-09 08:46:48 <Mango-chan> lol
1558 2011-02-09 08:46:55 * nevezen shakes head
1559 2011-02-09 08:46:58 <Mango-chan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_Dark_%28P2P%29
1560 2011-02-09 08:47:09 <midnightmagic_> ever since Quake, I haven't really bothered to get into an fps. I tried with Unreal Tournament, but. Honestly.. After Quake, nothing compares.
1561 2011-02-09 08:47:12 * midnightmagic_ ducks.
1562 2011-02-09 08:47:24 <nevezen> kaichou, satoshi, obama, who cares. They're all pseudonyms :)
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1564 2011-02-09 08:47:45 <nevezen> well, maybe not obama :)
1565 2011-02-09 08:47:52 <midnightmagic_> RuneQuake E1M7..
1566 2011-02-09 08:48:05 <ArtForz> but then, without any proof either way everyone can believe whatever they want
1567 2011-02-09 08:48:09 <midnightmagic_> *snif* Rocket Arena, how I miss you..
1568 2011-02-09 08:48:24 <nevezen> it's not a game..
1569 2011-02-09 08:48:36 <midnightmagic_> ArtForz: that's the fun part! rampant speculation!
1570 2011-02-09 08:48:49 <ArtForz> yep
1571 2011-02-09 08:49:03 <ArtForz> what's not a game?
1572 2011-02-09 08:49:25 <midnightmagic_> they're insisting on correcting my reminiscing.
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1574 2011-02-09 08:49:48 <Mango-chan> 560m/hash
1575 2011-02-09 08:49:56 <ArtForz> thats a pretty long hash
1576 2011-02-09 08:49:59 <Mango-chan> i mean
1577 2011-02-09 08:50:03 <Mango-chan> mhash/s
1578 2011-02-09 08:50:10 <Mango-chan> i need to install an operating system
1579 2011-02-09 08:50:14 <Mango-chan> on my other computer
1580 2011-02-09 08:50:15 <Mango-chan> zz
1581 2011-02-09 08:50:17 <Mango-chan> too lazy
1582 2011-02-09 08:50:20 <ArtForz> not too shabby
1583 2011-02-09 08:50:29 <joe_1> LobsterMan: are you there
1584 2011-02-09 08:50:40 <LobsterMan> hello
1585 2011-02-09 08:50:43 <joe_1> i did it
1586 2011-02-09 08:50:52 <LobsterMan> boost finally works?
1587 2011-02-09 08:50:53 <LobsterMan> lol
1588 2011-02-09 08:50:58 noagendamarket has joined
1589 2011-02-09 08:51:04 <joe_1> i just had to compile against the -sd- library instead of the -d- library
1590 2011-02-09 08:51:09 <LobsterMan> tbqh i suspect the issue may have been with my makefile
1591 2011-02-09 08:51:16 <nevezen> artforz: perfect dark isn't a game
1592 2011-02-09 08:51:37 <LobsterMan> i was messing around with -s -sd -mt-sd -mt-d etc etc etc
1593 2011-02-09 08:51:40 <ArtForz> wow, didn't know that</sarcasm>
1594 2011-02-09 08:51:42 <LobsterMan> mine didn't want to work
1595 2011-02-09 08:52:01 <joe_1> odd. i tried -sd at the last minute (i didnt notice it at first) and it worked.
1596 2011-02-09 08:52:03 <nevezen> oh, it is. Well, not the one I was referring to :0
1597 2011-02-09 08:52:18 <Mango-chan> anyone running a gpuminer 24/7
1598 2011-02-09 08:52:18 <Mango-chan> ?
1599 2011-02-09 08:52:37 <nevezen> I'm sure some people are.
1600 2011-02-09 08:52:40 <LobsterMan> many people
1601 2011-02-09 08:52:45 <nevezen> I don't think I can afford to..
1602 2011-02-09 08:52:47 <Mango-chan> what temps are you guys getting
1603 2011-02-09 08:52:49 <ArtForz> perfect dark, it's a series of tu... games
1604 2011-02-09 08:53:01 <ArtForz> and a f2f network
1605 2011-02-09 08:53:12 <nevezen> perfect dark, the darknet p2p network
1606 2011-02-09 08:53:21 <LobsterMan> my nvidia gtx275's run at about 78-80°C with my fans at 80%
1607 2011-02-09 08:53:35 <LobsterMan> 78-83 actually
1608 2011-02-09 08:53:43 <Mango-chan> 80
1609 2011-02-09 08:53:44 <Mango-chan> lol
1610 2011-02-09 08:53:46 <Mango-chan> isn't it loud...?
1611 2011-02-09 08:53:47 <nevezen> and my 8800GT runs at 110C @ 80% fanspeed :)
1612 2011-02-09 08:53:52 <LobsterMan> somewhat loud
1613 2011-02-09 08:54:00 <Mango-chan> i'm running 84/88
1614 2011-02-09 08:54:04 <joe_1> celsius. that's like 180 degrees 200 degrees fahrenheit
1615 2011-02-09 08:54:04 <midnightmagic_> =]
1616 2011-02-09 08:54:06 <ArtForz> 75-77 on my 5970s
1617 2011-02-09 08:54:17 <Mango-chan> fanspeed?
1618 2011-02-09 08:54:22 <Mango-chan> or aftermarket cooling
1619 2011-02-09 08:54:23 <ArtForz> 60%
1620 2011-02-09 08:54:35 <nevezen> fapspeed :)
1621 2011-02-09 08:54:41 * nevezen notes the fap
1622 2011-02-09 08:54:43 <ArtForz> aka "hooray for crazy case fans"
1623 2011-02-09 08:54:58 <LobsterMan> ArtForz uses jet turbines
1624 2011-02-09 08:54:59 <Mango-chan> damn aren't your setups loud
1625 2011-02-09 08:55:08 <ArtForz> not really THAT loud
1626 2011-02-09 08:55:18 <nevezen> artforz uses them to heat his home
1627 2011-02-09 08:55:40 <ArtForz> I find 1U servers to be way more annyoing
1628 2011-02-09 08:55:58 <midnightmagic_> nevezen: lucky guess! ^_&
1629 2011-02-09 08:56:02 <ArtForz> yep
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1631 2011-02-09 08:56:19 <nevezen> No? Thought I saw say you did.
1632 2011-02-09 08:56:27 <ArtForz> I do
1633 2011-02-09 08:56:40 <nevezen> Not a lucky guess then..
1634 2011-02-09 08:56:46 Lube has joined
1635 2011-02-09 08:56:47 <midnightmagic_> I do now too, but not very effectively!
1636 2011-02-09 08:57:23 <ArtForz> midnightmagic_ needs more cowb... GPUs? ;)
1637 2011-02-09 08:57:49 <OneFixt> ArtForz: extra points if every block found rings a cowbell
1638 2011-02-09 08:58:04 <LobsterMan> needs moar cowbell........
1639 2011-02-09 08:58:24 <OneFixt> every diff1 would make a nice melody
1640 2011-02-09 08:58:29 * midnightmagic_ has a fever.. and the only prescription.. is more air ducts and a heat exchanger so I don't have to breathe in that damn horrible smell.
1641 2011-02-09 08:58:56 <OneFixt> +/-\
1642 2011-02-09 08:59:32 <OneFixt> ++/-\?
1643 2011-02-09 08:59:54 <midnightmagic_> OneFixt: I really like that idea!
1644 2011-02-09 09:00:24 * OneFixt grabs a near-by cup and starts hitting it with a pencil.
1645 2011-02-09 09:00:25 <nevezen> what? the smell of burning silicon smells nice!
1646 2011-02-09 09:05:29 <LobsterMan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac45Wvd9Ed8#t=80s
1647 2011-02-09 09:07:16 <LobsterMan> ;]
1648 2011-02-09 09:07:47 <Mango-chan> when you're using gpu to mine
1649 2011-02-09 09:08:01 <Mango-chan> what's the bw usage like?
1650 2011-02-09 09:10:18 * nevezen forgot that #bitcoin-dev is publically logged..
1651 2011-02-09 09:10:55 <LobsterMan> yes it is
1652 2011-02-09 09:10:58 <LobsterMan> but who reads these logs?
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1656 2011-02-09 09:13:37 <Mango-chan> found 2 blocks
1657 2011-02-09 09:13:42 <Mango-chan> sigh MAYBE I SHOULD JUST MINE MYSELF
1658 2011-02-09 09:14:23 <nevezen> go for it
1659 2011-02-09 09:15:02 <cosurgi> guys are DFI lanparty mobos reliable? I like them, because there is large distance (2 slots) between 3* PCIex16 slots.
1660 2011-02-09 09:15:12 <cosurgi> makes cooling easier.
1661 2011-02-09 09:15:13 <Mango-chan> they're pretty nice
1662 2011-02-09 09:15:25 <Mango-chan> which one are you looking at?
1663 2011-02-09 09:15:42 <cosurgi> DFI LanParty DK AMD 790FX SB750
1664 2011-02-09 09:16:07 <OneFixt> Mango-chan: where are you mining? slush's?
1665 2011-02-09 09:16:14 <Mango-chan> yeah
1666 2011-02-09 09:16:45 <midnightmagic_> that looks like a nice board.
1667 2011-02-09 09:16:59 <Mango-chan> cosurgi
1668 2011-02-09 09:17:02 <Mango-chan> one of their boards
1669 2011-02-09 09:17:05 <Mango-chan> have 700 purchases
1670 2011-02-09 09:17:08 <Mango-chan> and 5 stars on newegg
1671 2011-02-09 09:17:10 <Mango-chan> so i'd say go for it
1672 2011-02-09 09:17:13 <Mango-chan> they sound reliable
1673 2011-02-09 09:17:16 <cosurgi> good :) thanks
1674 2011-02-09 09:17:25 <cosurgi> OneFixt: at his pool I get about 88-95% of coins predicted from calculator. So I'm happy.
1675 2011-02-09 09:17:41 <ArtForz> looks like a pretty nice board
1676 2011-02-09 09:17:47 <Mango-chan> hm
1677 2011-02-09 09:17:49 <Mango-chan> sempron
1678 2011-02-09 09:17:53 <Mango-chan> that lanparty board
1679 2011-02-09 09:17:56 <Mango-chan> +2x1gb ddr3
1680 2011-02-09 09:17:56 <cosurgi> yeah, fit in sempron there.
1681 2011-02-09 09:17:57 <OneFixt> cosurgi: cool
1682 2011-02-09 09:17:59 <Mango-chan> fill it with cards
1683 2011-02-09 09:18:05 <Mango-chan> = nice mining rig?
1684 2011-02-09 09:18:13 <ArtForz> still leaves the problem of finsing a case with 9 card slots
1685 2011-02-09 09:18:22 <joe_1> who needs a case?
1686 2011-02-09 09:18:24 <ArtForz> well, 8 + some airspace
1687 2011-02-09 09:18:27 <Mango-chan> how much power draw
1688 2011-02-09 09:18:40 <Mango-chan> does a 6950 take
1689 2011-02-09 09:18:41 <Mango-chan> i mean
1690 2011-02-09 09:18:43 <Mango-chan> 5970
1691 2011-02-09 09:18:54 <ArtForz> 300W
1692 2011-02-09 09:19:05 <cosurgi> ArtForz: what PSU would you recommend for 3* Radeon 5870 on that mobo? (I have a good prive for 5870, that's why I'm not buying 5970).
1693 2011-02-09 09:19:21 <cosurgi> 3*188W
1694 2011-02-09 09:19:31 <cosurgi> s/prive/price/
1695 2011-02-09 09:19:51 <ArtForz> I'd use at least a 750-800W consumer PSU
1696 2011-02-09 09:20:10 <cosurgi> ok. I was thinking 750W corsair. I will look at 800W too.
1697 2011-02-09 09:20:22 <ArtForz> as running ATX PSUs > 80% or so load long-term is usually a bad idea
1698 2011-02-09 09:20:41 <Mango-chan> get an ax850
1699 2011-02-09 09:20:48 <cosurgi> and thanks to big distance between slots I won't need risers for cooling :)
1700 2011-02-09 09:20:50 <ArtForz> yep, really nice PSU
1701 2011-02-09 09:20:56 <Mango-chan> i have one myself
1702 2011-02-09 09:20:57 <Mango-chan> but
1703 2011-02-09 09:21:00 <Mango-chan> my airflow is lol
1704 2011-02-09 09:21:04 <Mango-chan> design r3
1705 2011-02-09 09:21:08 <Mango-chan> kind of meh
1706 2011-02-09 09:22:07 <ArtForz> btw, if you dont mind making up adapter plates, modern server PSUs really aren't that expensive
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1710 2011-02-09 09:22:26 <joe_1> throw a slab of dry ice under the GPU and clock it alll the way up
1711 2011-02-09 09:25:08 <bd_> joe_1: condensation could be an issue
1712 2011-02-09 09:25:19 <bd_> not to mention thermal stress if it's in direct contact
1713 2011-02-09 09:25:49 <joe_1> hmm..
1714 2011-02-09 09:26:21 <joe_1> can you just stick it in your freezer and run the pcix cable to it
1715 2011-02-09 09:26:51 <bd_> same condensation issues
1716 2011-02-09 09:26:59 <bd_> you really don't want to get the temperature that low
1717 2011-02-09 09:27:19 <bd_> not unless you can isolate it from humidity anyway
1718 2011-02-09 09:27:23 <joe_1> but thats how they overclock on youtube
1719 2011-02-09 09:27:28 <joe_1> they stick it in liquid nitrogen
1720 2011-02-09 09:27:36 <bd_> that doesn't mean it's a _good_ idea
1721 2011-02-09 09:27:53 <bd_> low temperatures can change electrical properties of various components just as much as high temperatures
1722 2011-02-09 09:28:30 <bd_> using such as thing as a cooling source is fine, but you need to control the rate of cooling
1723 2011-02-09 09:28:33 <joe_1> but.. the chip would not get that cold as it's working hard. the freezer would just bring it down to a mild temperature
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1726 2011-02-09 09:49:51 <akiraa> Did anyone get their hands on one of these AMD Fusion boards?
1727 2011-02-09 09:50:06 <akiraa> or know if they can be bought anywhere
1728 2011-02-09 09:56:07 <cosurgi> dang, the slowest miner died 4 hours ago. It has crappy PSU. And it's 2h driving away, will fix tommorow.
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1732 2011-02-09 10:02:53 <da2ce7> :P
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1736 2011-02-09 10:07:58 <Diablo-D3> [04:22:13] <joe_1> but.. the chip would not get that cold as it's working hard. the freezer would just bring it down to a mild temperature
1737 2011-02-09 10:08:13 <Diablo-D3> actually it'd cause unacceptable levels of water vapor
1738 2011-02-09 10:08:30 <Diablo-D3> this is also why pelteir coolers on consumer hardware was a bad idea
1739 2011-02-09 10:08:38 <Diablo-D3> they would sometimes cause frost issues
1740 2011-02-09 10:08:38 <xelister> in TORified bitcoin, are the connections to IRC-seeding torred?  and/or  the connections to peers?
1741 2011-02-09 10:08:43 <Diablo-D3> frost is electrically conductive
1742 2011-02-09 10:08:49 <ArtForz> well, you *can* get around condensation problems
1743 2011-02-09 10:09:12 <Diablo-D3> yeah: live in Arizona
1744 2011-02-09 10:09:29 * xelister gets x2 cheaper electrical power
1745 2011-02-09 10:09:32 <xelister> in your face bitchez
1746 2011-02-09 10:09:35 <joe_1> ok simple enough. refrigerator + arizona = 10x bitcoin bonus
1747 2011-02-09 10:09:37 <xelister> 0.10 $/kWh ftw
1748 2011-02-09 10:09:47 <xelister> (or 0.15?, need to check)
1749 2011-02-09 10:10:05 <bd_> joe_1: thermal stress is also a problem. Cold, brittle outer plastic shell + expanding, hot chip die = bad idea
1750 2011-02-09 10:10:14 <ArtForz> yep
1751 2011-02-09 10:10:31 <bd_> not so much a problem at room temperature. Big problem at LN temperature
1752 2011-02-09 10:10:47 <Diablo-D3> now, AMD interestingly has thermal proofed their CPUs
1753 2011-02-09 10:10:54 <bd_> thermal proofed?
1754 2011-02-09 10:10:55 <Diablo-D3> they survive hotter AND colder operating temps
1755 2011-02-09 10:11:06 <ArtForz> bd_ well, or you're nvidia and use the wrong underfill epoxy
1756 2011-02-09 10:11:17 <Diablo-D3> its closer to the milspec side of shit than intel is
1757 2011-02-09 10:11:26 <ArtForz> then your GPUs die from thermal cycling in normal use :P
1758 2011-02-09 10:11:43 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: actually
1759 2011-02-09 10:11:51 <Diablo-D3> there is evidence they die from thermal cycling while off, too
1760 2011-02-09 10:11:58 <ArtForz> yes
1761 2011-02-09 10:12:37 <ArtForz> basically a few deg C/s = cracked solder bumps
1762 2011-02-09 10:12:44 <Diablo-D3> so you could have it off, unplugged, sitting on a shelf
1763 2011-02-09 10:12:46 <xelister> on vnidia (bleeh), on linux do you need any extra stuff (other then propertiary driver) to run OpenCL programs?
1764 2011-02-09 10:12:49 <Diablo-D3> and it'd still die
1765 2011-02-09 10:12:59 <ArtForz> yep
1766 2011-02-09 10:13:06 <Diablo-D3> thats pretty fail, yo
1767 2011-02-09 10:13:33 <ArtForz> well, if it sees thermal excursions like that on a shelf, I dont want to go near your storage area :P
1768 2011-02-09 10:13:43 * xelister pokes ArtForz in his rich eye monocle
1769 2011-02-09 10:13:59 <Diablo-D3> my bedroom is a scary place
1770 2011-02-09 10:14:12 <bd_> ArtForz: Try taking the CPU box inside after being outside for a while on a hot day, then unbox it next to the AC...
1771 2011-02-09 10:14:19 <xelister> !grab Diablo-D3
1772 2011-02-09 10:14:24 <xelister> we need better bot on this channel.
1773 2011-02-09 10:14:32 <ArtForz> bd_: whats that supposed to do?
1774 2011-02-09 10:14:35 <Diablo-D3> in the summer it can go from low 60s to upper 90s in 2 hours
1775 2011-02-09 10:14:47 <bd_> ArtForz: hot CPU + cold AC exhaust
1776 2011-02-09 10:15:00 <bd_> a perfectly realistic thermal excursion
1777 2011-02-09 10:15:00 <ArtForz> shouldnt cause any problems
1778 2011-02-09 10:15:14 <Diablo-D3> bd_: it should have been in the AC'ed room to begin with
1779 2011-02-09 10:15:32 <bd_> Diablo-D3: People ship CPUs in refrigerated trucks now? :)
1780 2011-02-09 10:15:41 <ArtForz> and iirc CPUs never had that problem
1781 2011-02-09 10:15:44 <Diablo-D3> bd_: yes.
1782 2011-02-09 10:15:46 <ArtForz> only nvidia GPUs
1783 2011-02-09 10:15:52 <bd_> Diablo-D3: seriousl?
1784 2011-02-09 10:16:09 <ArtForz> for sensitive equipment, yes
1785 2011-02-09 10:16:20 <bd_> consumer GPU/CPUs I mean :)
1786 2011-02-09 10:16:39 <Diablo-D3> bd_: look up the story where someone was shipping chips in an environment controlled truck, and the trucking company set one of the trucks wrong
1787 2011-02-09 10:16:39 <bd_> I'm sure they're designed to handle this level of thermal excursion, I'm just pointing out how you could get a fairly high temperature swing
1788 2011-02-09 10:16:46 <ArtForz> usually not needed for those
1789 2011-02-09 10:17:06 <cosurgi> ArtForz: remember those 3*5970 (188W)? Would ATX 750W Corsair CMPSU-750TXEU (Fan 140mm) be enough? It's half the price of ATX 750W Corsair CMPSU-750AX (Fan 120mm)...
1790 2011-02-09 10:17:08 <Diablo-D3> bd_: C<->F conversion error, destroyed several million dollars worth of shit
1791 2011-02-09 10:17:14 <bd_> Diablo-D3: hard to google that >_>;
1792 2011-02-09 10:17:23 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: you're full of shit, a single 5970 is 300 watts
1793 2011-02-09 10:17:29 <ArtForz> 5*8*70
1794 2011-02-09 10:17:31 <cosurgi> errrrrrrr
1795 2011-02-09 10:17:32 <bd_> and yeah, setting the truck to 70 C or something would do that to quite a lot of stuff <_<
1796 2011-02-09 10:17:41 <cosurgi> 5870
1797 2011-02-09 10:17:41 <bd_> although laptop CPUs could take it
1798 2011-02-09 10:17:44 <ArtForz> actualy what chip can't stand 70°C?
1799 2011-02-09 10:17:45 <cosurgi> 3*5870, I mean.
1800 2011-02-09 10:18:06 <Diablo-D3> 750 seems cutting it a little close
1801 2011-02-09 10:18:15 <ArtForz> sounds ok
1802 2011-02-09 10:18:20 <ArtForz> 3*5870 is only like 550W
1803 2011-02-09 10:18:20 <bd_> ArtForz: Laptop CPUs have max temps around 100C, desktop CPUs around 80C, if the env control is flaky around the high end...
1804 2011-02-09 10:18:27 <cosurgi> ArtForz: ok, thanks :)
1805 2011-02-09 10:18:34 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: yeah, but the box uses, potentially, another hundred
1806 2011-02-09 10:18:39 <ArtForz> so?
1807 2011-02-09 10:18:39 <Diablo-D3> 650 on a 750? eww.
1808 2011-02-09 10:18:39 <ArtForz> usually crap is shipped OFF
1809 2011-02-09 10:18:41 <bd_> Or if it's a super-high-end CPU that is designed for water cooling or something and has a max temp of 60C or lower...
1810 2011-02-09 10:18:42 <ArtForz> and storage temp != operating temp
1811 2011-02-09 10:19:13 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: btw, corsair AX is superior
1812 2011-02-09 10:19:15 <ArtForz> most components are only rated for up to 85°C operating
1813 2011-02-09 10:19:20 <bd_> ArtForz: indeed, I don't know storage offhand though
1814 2011-02-09 10:19:30 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: I know, but for twice the price? Looks like too much
1815 2011-02-09 10:19:38 <ArtForz> while plenty can handle 100°C storage
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1817 2011-02-09 10:19:54 <bd_> ArtForz: well, laptop CPUs have higher specs I think.
1818 2011-02-09 10:20:08 <cosurgi> I think that this shop has som promo/discount for this one PSU.
1819 2011-02-09 10:20:13 <ArtForz> not to mention something like a BGA has to stand 240°C for 30 seconds for reflow
1820 2011-02-09 10:20:19 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: buy an 850 HX then
1821 2011-02-09 10:20:26 <ArtForz> with temp ramps in the 3°C/s range
1822 2011-02-09 10:20:37 <bd_> my laptop's CPU (core 2 T7500) has a max T_junction of 100 C for example
1823 2011-02-09 10:20:57 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: it's 1.5 time the price.
1824 2011-02-09 10:21:03 <cosurgi> *times
1825 2011-02-09 10:21:08 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: you get what you pay for.
1826 2011-02-09 10:21:11 <bd_> ArtForz: aren't most non-embedded CPUs inserted into a socket, rather than being directly soldered? :)
1827 2011-02-09 10:21:15 <ArtForz> so?
1828 2011-02-09 10:21:17 <cosurgi> yeah... must think a bit more :)
1829 2011-02-09 10:21:26 <bd_> so why would it need to be reflowed?
1830 2011-02-09 10:21:27 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: they make a 950TX for $150 btw
1831 2011-02-09 10:21:42 <ArtForz> plenty laptop CPUs are soldered
1832 2011-02-09 10:21:47 <bd_> and even if there are soldered components inside the package, that doesn't mean the package itself can take such high temperature
1833 2011-02-09 10:21:53 <ArtForz> yet they still only have <100°C max Tj
1834 2011-02-09 10:22:16 <ArtForz> btw, how do you guess the die gets attached to the package?
1835 2011-02-09 10:22:16 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: and an 850TX for $130
1836 2011-02-09 10:22:23 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: and the 750 TX is only $110
1837 2011-02-09 10:22:38 <ArtForz> for flip chip... high temp solder bumps
1838 2011-02-09 10:22:40 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: hmm... indeed ATX 850W Corsair CMPSU-850TXEU (Fan 140mm) is only 1.1 times the price of 750W TX
1839 2011-02-09 10:22:55 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: hey
1840 2011-02-09 10:23:02 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: whos selling that perfect psu you found earlier
1841 2011-02-09 10:23:07 <Diablo-D3> the chinese oem one
1842 2011-02-09 10:23:07 * cosurgi looks at local shop prices
1843 2011-02-09 10:23:13 <ArtForz> which one?
1844 2011-02-09 10:23:17 <bd_> ArtForz: I suppose. Still doesn't mean it's designed to take high temps for hours for shipping...
1845 2011-02-09 10:23:21 <ArtForz> nope
1846 2011-02-09 10:23:25 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: flowerpower or whatever it was
1847 2011-02-09 10:23:36 <ArtForz> but that shows what thermal cycling stress these have to stand
1848 2011-02-09 10:24:05 <ArtForz> and most crap is actually rated to survive that *thrice*
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1850 2011-02-09 10:25:44 <ArtForz> Diablo-D3: look around a bit
1851 2011-02-09 10:25:59 <ArtForz> iirc theres a US version under a different sticker brand
1852 2011-02-09 10:26:06 <Diablo-D3> well, you know this shit
1853 2011-02-09 10:26:58 <ArtForz> sec
1854 2011-02-09 10:27:55 <ArtForz> kingwin lazer gold
1855 2011-02-09 10:28:04 <ArtForz> rosewill lightning
1856 2011-02-09 10:28:12 <ArtForz> xion 90+ gold
1857 2011-02-09 10:28:16 <ArtForz> nzxt hale 90
1858 2011-02-09 10:29:09 <ArtForz> those are all the same superflower 80+ gold core PSU
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1860 2011-02-09 10:30:38 <Diablo-D3> kingwin lzg 750 = $155, rosewill lightning 800 = $170 and ugly as fuck, xion only has a 700 w, nzxt hale90 850 = $180
1861 2011-02-09 10:30:49 * Keefe waits for Diablo-D3 to say it's junk because rosewill rebranded it :)
1862 2011-02-09 10:30:56 <Diablo-D3> Keefe: too late
1863 2011-02-09 10:31:08 <Diablo-D3> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182238&cm_re=rosewill_lightning-_-17-182-238-_-Product
1864 2011-02-09 10:31:10 <Diablo-D3> wtf is that shit
1865 2011-02-09 10:31:21 <Diablo-D3> thats too fabulous
1866 2011-02-09 10:31:22 <ArtForz> ?
1867 2011-02-09 10:31:30 <ArtForz> http://www.plugloadsolutions.com/psu_reports/ROSEWILL%20INC._LIGHTNING-800_ECOS%201757.1_800W_Report.pdf
1868 2011-02-09 10:31:47 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: look at the lights dude
1869 2011-02-09 10:31:50 <Diablo-D3> thats ffffffffffff\
1870 2011-02-09 10:32:10 <ArtForz> == http://www.plugloadsolutions.com/psu_reports/SUPER%20FLOWER_SF-800P14XE_ECOS%201757_800W_Report.pdf
1871 2011-02-09 10:33:42 <Diablo-D3> that nzxt hale 90 doesnt look bad
1872 2011-02-09 10:33:46 <Diablo-D3> strange its white though
1873 2011-02-09 10:33:48 <ArtForz> http://www.plugloadsolutions.com/psu_reports/NZXT_HALE90-850-M_ECOS%201811.1_850W_Report.pdf == http://www.plugloadsolutions.com/psu_reports/SUPER%20FLOWER_SF-850P14XE_ECOS%201811_850W_Report.pdf
1874 2011-02-09 10:34:07 <ArtForz> thats the one that got 93% efficiency at 100% 12V load in a review...
1875 2011-02-09 10:34:40 <Diablo-D3> the hale90 750 is only $140
1876 2011-02-09 10:34:41 <Diablo-D3> thats not bad
1877 2011-02-09 10:35:06 <ArtForz> yup
1878 2011-02-09 10:36:31 <Diablo-D3> 850 @ $180 makes it $10 cheaper than a corsair AX, $10 more than a HX, $50 more than a TX
1879 2011-02-09 10:37:06 <Diablo-D3> which isnt bad at all
1880 2011-02-09 10:37:11 <ArtForz> I think white PSUs are fun
1881 2011-02-09 10:37:50 <ArtForz> every chinese backalley mfg does black PSUs nowadays
1882 2011-02-09 10:38:42 <Diablo-D3> EVERYONE does black now
1883 2011-02-09 10:38:48 <Diablo-D3> especially since my case requires one.
1884 2011-02-09 10:38:57 <ArtForz> why?
1885 2011-02-09 10:39:02 <Diablo-D3> the case is black.
1886 2011-02-09 10:39:09 <ArtForz> ... so?
1887 2011-02-09 10:39:17 <Diablo-D3> so why would you intentionally fuck that up?
1888 2011-02-09 10:39:29 <ArtForz> because everything black is boring
1889 2011-02-09 10:39:39 <Keefe> ArtForz: for a two-5970 box expected to use 650W, would you pick the hale90 750W (80+gold) over the Cooler Master 850W (80+bronze), for the same price?
1890 2011-02-09 10:39:55 <Keefe> 100W less, but better effiency
1891 2011-02-09 10:39:57 <Diablo-D3> BAH COOLERMASTER
1892 2011-02-09 10:39:59 <ArtForz> eww @ cooler master
1893 2011-02-09 10:40:02 <Diablo-D3> fuck that shit dude
1894 2011-02-09 10:40:47 <ArtForz> hmmm... interesting
1895 2011-02-09 10:41:07 <ArtForz> the 750W got slightly better efficiency numbers @ 80plus
1896 2011-02-09 10:41:23 <Keefe> than?
1897 2011-02-09 10:41:28 <ArtForz> 800W
1898 2011-02-09 10:41:35 <Diablo-D3> you mean 850
1899 2011-02-09 10:41:38 <ArtForz> no, 800
1900 2011-02-09 10:41:42 <Diablo-D3> 800 what?
1901 2011-02-09 10:41:47 <ArtForz> W
1902 2011-02-09 10:41:52 <Diablo-D3> no I mean which psu
1903 2011-02-09 10:41:59 <ArtForz> SuperFlower
1904 2011-02-09 10:42:00 <Diablo-D3> the hale 90 has a 750 and a 850 but no 800
1905 2011-02-09 10:42:24 <ArtForz> they come in 650, 700, 750, 800, 850, 900, ...
1906 2011-02-09 10:42:27 <cosurgi> if converted to USD those ATIs 5870 are priced at 315 USD
1907 2011-02-09 10:42:32 <Diablo-D3> heh
1908 2011-02-09 10:42:38 * cosurgi is about to order five.
1909 2011-02-09 10:42:41 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: so, we've decided for you
1910 2011-02-09 10:42:56 <cosurgi> the sixth one will be the GPU from my box that is dying every two days.
1911 2011-02-09 10:42:58 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: a nzxt hale 90
1912 2011-02-09 10:43:15 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: what?
1913 2011-02-09 10:43:33 <Diablo-D3> dont what me, your ass fits no light socket
1914 2011-02-09 10:43:55 <cosurgi> sorry I'm lost. I didn somethig utterly stupid again?
1915 2011-02-09 10:43:56 <da2ce7> maybe we can get sponsorship from enermax
1916 2011-02-09 10:44:36 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: you asked for a psu.
1917 2011-02-09 10:44:52 <cosurgi> oh, sorry.
1918 2011-02-09 10:44:58 <cosurgi> right. I did.
1919 2011-02-09 10:45:21 <cosurgi> but I'm limited to what my shop offers, I like having warranty.
1920 2011-02-09 10:45:32 <cosurgi> esp. I'm sure that some of those GPUs will day within 3 years.
1921 2011-02-09 10:46:02 <da2ce7> in 2 years your GPU's are going to as useless as CPU's are now
1922 2011-02-09 10:46:11 <cosurgi> probably.
1923 2011-02-09 10:46:19 <cosurgi> s/day/die/ :)
1924 2011-02-09 10:46:28 <joe_1> i started a new client. is it supposed to stay on -1 blocks for a while?
1925 2011-02-09 10:46:29 * cosurgi reads short backlog
1926 2011-02-09 10:47:15 <cosurgi> ok lemme check if hale is available
1927 2011-02-09 10:48:26 <cosurgi> it is.
1928 2011-02-09 10:48:39 <cosurgi> which one 750W ?
1929 2011-02-09 10:48:42 <cosurgi> 850W ?
1930 2011-02-09 10:48:56 <cosurgi> but, uh. They are also twice more expensive :/
1931 2011-02-09 10:51:10 <cosurgi> ok, I did it!
1932 2011-02-09 10:51:41 <cosurgi> now that I ordered this, I can dislaim URL to super cheap GSPU in poland with 3 year warrany. Other polish guys migh like it: http://www.komputronik.pl/index.php/product/100032/Sprzet_komputerowy/Podzespoly_PC/Radeon_5870_Gigabyte_1GB_2xDVI_HDMI_DP_PCI_E_OC.html
1933 2011-02-09 10:52:35 <ArtForz> thats cheap?
1934 2011-02-09 10:53:53 <UukGoblin> that's just 5870s
1935 2011-02-09 10:53:59 <ArtForz> thats like $310
1936 2011-02-09 10:54:02 <ArtForz> for a 5870
1937 2011-02-09 10:54:25 <ArtForz> they're $220 or so at newegg
1938 2011-02-09 10:55:33 <cosurgi> I prefer a local shop, which I trust more than newegg.
1939 2011-02-09 10:55:36 <cosurgi> sorry for that.
1940 2011-02-09 10:55:42 <echelon> anyone tried a ps3 cluster?
1941 2011-02-09 10:56:36 <ArtForz> no
1942 2011-02-09 10:56:38 <UukGoblin> imho waste of time echelon
1943 2011-02-09 10:56:41 <ArtForz> yep
1944 2011-02-09 10:56:59 <ArtForz> cell is about as efficient as PhenomII for mining
1945 2011-02-09 10:57:01 <echelon> figured :/
1946 2011-02-09 11:00:38 <UukGoblin> cosurgi, I'd trust newegg more than a local shop :-]
1947 2011-02-09 11:01:00 <UukGoblin> a local shop is more likely to go broke
1948 2011-02-09 11:01:04 <ArtForz> yup
1949 2011-02-09 11:01:30 <ArtForz> 3-year shop warranty is pretty useless if the shop closes after 6 months
1950 2011-02-09 11:01:38 <echelon> yeah, local shops always overcharge
1951 2011-02-09 11:03:03 <cosurgi> this shop won't close it's a big one, like 100 outlets in whole country.
1952 2011-02-09 11:03:46 <UukGoblin> yup, it's not exactly local
1953 2011-02-09 11:03:55 <UukGoblin> more local than newegg but ;-)
1954 2011-02-09 11:04:25 <ArtForz> btw, that gigabyte got not-so-great reviews
1955 2011-02-09 11:04:50 <ArtForz> VRMs run pretty hot even @ stock
1956 2011-02-09 11:05:39 <cosurgi> hmm.. maybe I just did a 2000 USD mistake.
1957 2011-02-09 11:05:55 <cosurgi> will see.
1958 2011-02-09 11:06:21 <UukGoblin> cosurgi, why 5870?
1959 2011-02-09 11:06:32 <cosurgi> UukGoblin: way cheaper than 5970
1960 2011-02-09 11:06:44 <ArtForz> erm, huh?
1961 2011-02-09 11:06:50 <UukGoblin> to the contrary :-]
1962 2011-02-09 11:07:14 <UukGoblin> especially given that you seem to have bought multiple
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1964 2011-02-09 11:07:36 <cosurgi> I have free electricity, if that's what you think about.
1965 2011-02-09 11:07:51 <cosurgi> I'm only calculating GHs/card_prive
1966 2011-02-09 11:07:54 <cosurgi> *price
1967 2011-02-09 11:07:59 <comboy> ktos tu w ogole jest nie z polski? ;p
1968 2011-02-09 11:08:02 <ArtForz> so the rest of the system grows on trees?
1969 2011-02-09 11:08:04 <Diablo-D3> 5970 automatically wins there
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1971 2011-02-09 11:08:09 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: duh
1972 2011-02-09 11:08:18 * Diablo-D3 has a baby RAM tree in his backyard
1973 2011-02-09 11:08:24 <UukGoblin> heh
1974 2011-02-09 11:08:39 <UukGoblin> comboy, yes, plenty of people
1975 2011-02-09 11:08:43 <cosurgi> ArtForz: what do you mean? The mobo and PSU are also here.
1976 2011-02-09 11:08:48 <cosurgi> comboy: yep :)
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1979 2011-02-09 11:09:28 <Keefe> $930 could have bought you two 5970's
1980 2011-02-09 11:09:38 <ArtForz> well, they're more expensive new around here
1981 2011-02-09 11:09:38 <UukGoblin> easily
1982 2011-02-09 11:09:45 <Keefe> well, maybe not in poland though
1983 2011-02-09 11:10:00 <cosurgi> so, you see...
1984 2011-02-09 11:10:04 <ArtForz> cheapest in .de is 435 EUR for a 5970
1985 2011-02-09 11:10:11 <Keefe> ouch
1986 2011-02-09 11:10:24 <UukGoblin> ok, new maybe not
1987 2011-02-09 11:10:29 <ArtForz> and it's the crapshoot sapphires
1988 2011-02-09 11:11:14 <Keefe> i must have the older sapphires. the one i just hooked up and tested today can clock to 865/890 at stock V and 80C
1989 2011-02-09 11:11:22 <ArtForz> nice
1990 2011-02-09 11:11:37 <Keefe> the visiontek's i got must be the newer not-as-good chips
1991 2011-02-09 11:11:38 <ArtForz> well, or you simply got a good one
1992 2011-02-09 11:11:39 <Keefe> avg 840
1993 2011-02-09 11:11:50 <ArtForz> it's not like aLL of my new sapphires are bad OCers
1994 2011-02-09 11:11:57 <Keefe> mm
1995 2011-02-09 11:11:59 <UukGoblin> cosurgi, how manby 5870s have you bought?
1996 2011-02-09 11:12:02 <ArtForz> just a lot more variance in max clocks
1997 2011-02-09 11:22:20 <cosurgi> UukGoblin: 5. And two mobos. The sixth GPU will be the one I already have.
1998 2011-02-09 11:23:33 <UukGoblin> so you have mobos that take 3 cards each?
1999 2011-02-09 11:23:39 <cosurgi> yeah, hold on..
2000 2011-02-09 11:24:18 <cosurgi> http://www.komputronik.pl/index.php/search/pl/run/showProducts/1/hide_boxes/1//searchString/REZJJTIwTGFuUGFydHklMjBESyUyMEFNRCUyMDc5MEZYJTIwU0I3NTAlMjBIZWF0cGlwZSUyMEREUjM=/category/1/
2001 2011-02-09 11:24:22 <cosurgi> oops.
2002 2011-02-09 11:24:46 <cosurgi> hm, does this link work for you?
2003 2011-02-09 11:24:52 <UukGoblin> it does
2004 2011-02-09 11:25:00 <cosurgi> DFI LanParty DK AMD 790FX SB750 Heatpipe DDR3
2005 2011-02-09 11:25:13 <cosurgi> three slots, at a distance of 2 slots each - good for cooling
2006 2011-02-09 11:25:28 <UukGoblin> so you paid about 4839 for 2 mobos and 5 5870s
2007 2011-02-09 11:26:07 <UukGoblin> ok well with 2x 5970s and 1 mobo you'd get slightly lower performance and paid ~4400
2008 2011-02-09 11:26:13 <cosurgi> 889*5+2*389 = 5223
2009 2011-02-09 11:26:22 <UukGoblin> with 3x 5970 you'd get higher performance and paid ~6300
2010 2011-02-09 11:26:42 <cosurgi> the sixth one is ati 5830, 224 GHs/sec
2011 2011-02-09 11:26:43 <UukGoblin> ah yeah my math wasn't that good
2012 2011-02-09 11:26:55 <UukGoblin> MH/sec
2013 2011-02-09 11:26:59 <cosurgi> right :)
2014 2011-02-09 11:27:40 <UukGoblin> ok so not directly translatable
2015 2011-02-09 11:27:57 <UukGoblin> but you could've gone away with 1 computer, paid a bit more and get more mhash - more profitable in the long run
2016 2011-02-09 11:28:04 <cosurgi> that ati sits alone in a PC which hangs every two days, and I'm sick of it.
2017 2011-02-09 11:28:16 <cosurgi> and I know it's not GPUs fault, because it was hanging before
2018 2011-02-09 11:28:21 <cosurgi> *before bitcoin
2019 2011-02-09 11:28:54 <cosurgi> most important for me is how fast the GPU pays back for itself, given free electricity.
2020 2011-02-09 11:29:15 <cosurgi> So that my wife won't go crazy about spending loads of cash. I'll tell her - see? It just paid back.
2021 2011-02-09 11:29:47 <cosurgi> So "the long run" is less important. Sounds stupid, but oh well.
2022 2011-02-09 11:30:32 <UukGoblin> still, 5970s are more efficient so in your case I'd go for 2x 5970, paid less and waited a bit longer
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2024 2011-02-09 11:30:50 <cosurgi> but you think about those for ~2000 PLN ?
2025 2011-02-09 11:30:55 <UukGoblin> yeah
2026 2011-02-09 11:30:58 <cosurgi> hmm.
2027 2011-02-09 11:31:06 <UukGoblin> you can get them for around 360-400 GBP on ebay
2028 2011-02-09 11:31:17 <UukGoblin> I'd recommend to check allegro ;-]
2029 2011-02-09 11:31:27 <cosurgi> I did, in fact.
2030 2011-02-09 11:31:37 <cosurgi> but I still prefer a shop.
2031 2011-02-09 11:31:45 <UukGoblin> fair enough
2032 2011-02-09 11:31:52 <UukGoblin> so komputronik has them for 2050 IIRC
2033 2011-02-09 11:31:56 <UukGoblin> PLN
2034 2011-02-09 11:32:07 <UukGoblin> you save on the extra mobo and psu
2035 2011-02-09 11:33:09 <UukGoblin> you'd get slightly lower efficiency as 5970s clock a bit lower and you'd have 4 GPUs instead of 5
2036 2011-02-09 11:33:30 <UukGoblin> but still, you save on cost on graphics cards, mobos, psus, also ram
2037 2011-02-09 11:33:34 <UukGoblin> and cpu
2038 2011-02-09 11:33:45 <cosurgi> but they need more powerful PSU
2039 2011-02-09 11:34:02 <cosurgi> about two/three times more expensive, check that.
2040 2011-02-09 11:34:14 <UukGoblin> more profitable in the long run ;-]
2041 2011-02-09 11:34:35 <UukGoblin> and ok, not paying for electricity is a bit of a cheat
2042 2011-02-09 11:34:41 <cosurgi> hell yeah.
2043 2011-02-09 11:35:08 <UukGoblin> hopefully your landlord will figure it out soon
2044 2011-02-09 11:35:24 <cosurgi> speaking of which... I should do some real work or I'll get sacked :)
2045 2011-02-09 11:35:31 <UukGoblin> if we get more people like you, that can screw up mining profitability for people who pay for power ;-)
2046 2011-02-09 11:35:32 <cosurgi> I doubt it.
2047 2011-02-09 11:36:09 <cosurgi> at work I'm doing calculations on CPU, that's what I do. So if I get more PCs to calculate faster my boss thinks it's for him :)
2048 2011-02-09 11:36:52 <UukGoblin> heh
2049 2011-02-09 11:36:58 <cosurgi> and now I really should calculate some stuff, or he wil get mad tomorrow.
2050 2011-02-09 11:37:03 <UukGoblin> have fun
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2075 2011-02-09 12:27:37 <andrew12> anyone know if there's a way to make jgarzik's miner not output the hashrate? i wanna know when i find a block
2076 2011-02-09 12:27:49 <andrew12> and maybe what number it is :P
2077 2011-02-09 12:40:20 <andrew12> well now i've gotta go to school. -.-
2078 2011-02-09 12:44:19 <tcatm> prefix the hashrate string with "\r                                     \r"
2079 2011-02-09 12:45:56 <andrew12> that involves editing the code
2080 2011-02-09 12:45:57 <andrew12> :p
2081 2011-02-09 12:46:28 <tcatm> you could also patch the binary
2082 2011-02-09 12:46:48 <andrew12> luckily it was easy enough to find in the code
2083 2011-02-09 12:49:32 <andrew12> also had to add \n before the proof of work output
2084 2011-02-09 12:49:40 <andrew12> but yeah
2085 2011-02-09 12:50:09 <andrew12> wow, it found a block pretty quickly
2086 2011-02-09 12:50:21 <andrew12> though it's doing testnet
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2089 2011-02-09 13:05:44 <andrew12> i probably had to make it flush too
2090 2011-02-09 13:05:55 <andrew12> though i'm at school right now
2091 2011-02-09 13:06:04 <andrew12> well going toward school
2092 2011-02-09 13:24:17 <UukGoblin> hmm it appears that natural gas is about 5 times cheaper than electricity per kWh
2093 2011-02-09 13:24:23 <UukGoblin> is it really that insane?
2094 2011-02-09 13:25:09 <noagendamarket> run a steam generator on natural gas ?
2095 2011-02-09 13:26:06 <noagendamarket> they used to burn off all the natural gas as a waste
2096 2011-02-09 13:26:29 <slush> UukGoblin: source?
2097 2011-02-09 13:28:01 <UukGoblin> slush, http://www.energy.eu/
2098 2011-02-09 13:28:43 <UukGoblin> there's a generator described here: http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/248628791/Butane_Generator_Set_10_15kw_.html
2099 2011-02-09 13:29:17 <UukGoblin> nice specs, no price unfortunately, but I'm having a bloody difficulty converting units of gas... on the bill they're specified in kWh, on the generator's specs in grams...
2100 2011-02-09 13:29:29 <UukGoblin> I assume the gas supplied is pure butane?
2101 2011-02-09 13:29:38 <UukGoblin> but maybe it isn't?
2102 2011-02-09 13:30:16 <UukGoblin> but if you think about it, it's fucking insane
2103 2011-02-09 13:30:27 <slush> hell, the generator is nice :)
2104 2011-02-09 13:30:35 <UukGoblin> burning a limited resource for power is cheaper than using electricity provided from power plants? wtf?
2105 2011-02-09 13:32:00 <slush> UukGoblin: the most expensive part is to transfer electricity
2106 2011-02-09 13:32:12 <slush> UukGoblin: there are big losses
2107 2011-02-09 13:32:29 <UukGoblin> that's why they have 10kV lines, right?
2108 2011-02-09 13:32:37 <noagendamarket> every house should have its own backyard nuclear plant
2109 2011-02-09 13:32:55 <UukGoblin> yeah, what Edisson was arguing about with Tesla
2110 2011-02-09 13:33:19 <UukGoblin> I don't get the results they achieved though, seems much more reasonable to generate locally
2111 2011-02-09 13:35:01 <slush> but you're right, electricity from gas looks pretty cheat
2112 2011-02-09 13:35:03 <slush> cheap
2113 2011-02-09 13:35:34 <slush> in Czech Rep, the price for kWh is near production cost of our most effective nuclear plant
2114 2011-02-09 13:36:25 <slush> 0.6 Kc / kwh for Dukovany nuclear plant, ~1 Kc / kwh for gas. And common price for end customers is over 3 Kc / kwh
2115 2011-02-09 13:38:21 <UukGoblin> so it's probably around 1.5Kc / kWh for industrial customers
2116 2011-02-09 13:38:34 <UukGoblin> fucking ripoff
2117 2011-02-09 13:38:38 <UukGoblin> I want my nuclear plant
2118 2011-02-09 13:39:22 <slush> me to. Tiny nuclear plant and factory full of 5970 :-D
2119 2011-02-09 13:39:39 <UukGoblin> mommy mommy can I have that for christmas? kthxbye
2120 2011-02-09 13:40:12 <UukGoblin> this is mental
2121 2011-02-09 13:40:25 <UukGoblin> we'll burn all our natural resources to mine a virtual currency
2122 2011-02-09 13:42:16 <UukGoblin> oh and btw, we're all gonna die!
2123 2011-02-09 13:42:20 <UukGoblin> run for your lives! in circles
2124 2011-02-09 13:56:11 <xelister> would be funny if eco's would start protesting against btc =)
2125 2011-02-09 13:56:45 <xelister> perhaps ultimatelly we should stop any generating and just run non power consuming transactions with instant pinning based on trust
2126 2011-02-09 13:56:53 <xelister> a bit more centralized model is needed for that thou.
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2129 2011-02-09 14:02:05 <UukGoblin> there's ripple
2130 2011-02-09 14:07:27 <UukGoblin> but I don't trust the design
2131 2011-02-09 14:10:40 <echelon> i don't understand it actually
2132 2011-02-09 14:10:44 <Sirius> I wonder how much is the total power consumption of bitcoin miners
2133 2011-02-09 14:11:07 <Sirius> maybe around 0,1 MW :P
2134 2011-02-09 14:12:09 <Keefe> 100 MW if all were done by the most efficient hardware
2135 2011-02-09 14:12:41 <Sirius> that much really?
2136 2011-02-09 14:12:42 <Keefe> no, you're correct. 100 KW
2137 2011-02-09 14:12:46 <Sirius> k
2138 2011-02-09 14:12:53 <Keefe> was off by 000 :)
2139 2011-02-09 14:13:32 <Keefe> 100 kW is pretty negligible
2140 2011-02-09 14:14:23 <Keefe> that's like one electric car
2141 2011-02-09 14:16:09 <echelon> heh
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2143 2011-02-09 14:17:47 <necrodearia> Can someone upvote http://faq.witcoin.com/p/89/Can-you-come-up-with-other-ways-for-users-to-earn-witcoins one more time?  I want to see how much profit it will have generated after 6th upvote.
2144 2011-02-09 14:18:39 <necrodearia> Also, feedback wanted at http://meta.witcoin.com/p/70/nice-to-have---an-overview-of-where-my-witcoins-went--maybe-on-the-transactions-page
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2146 2011-02-09 14:18:44 <UukGoblin> necrodearia, I thought I need bitcoins to upvote ;-]
2147 2011-02-09 14:18:51 <necrodearia> nope, you need witcoins.
2148 2011-02-09 14:18:58 <UukGoblin> SSDD?
2149 2011-02-09 14:19:04 <necrodearia> solid state disk drive?
2150 2011-02-09 14:19:21 <UukGoblin> Same $41t Different Day
2151 2011-02-09 14:19:25 <necrodearia> ah
2152 2011-02-09 14:20:10 <UukGoblin> witcoin's pegged to bitcoin right?
2153 2011-02-09 14:20:24 <UukGoblin> so if I need witcoins, I can say I need bitcoins, and vice versa
2154 2011-02-09 14:20:32 <necrodearia> yep
2155 2011-02-09 14:21:01 <UukGoblin> ok so if you want me to upvote, send the bitcoins to 1KyR2DRyt4wnb7eujhvSyjo5bc48SmtxD3
2156 2011-02-09 14:21:04 <UukGoblin> :-]
2157 2011-02-09 14:21:20 <necrodearia> done
2158 2011-02-09 14:23:46 <UukGoblin> ah unlucky a block was generated few seconds before you made the transfer
2159 2011-02-09 14:23:59 <necrodearia> ^_^
2160 2011-02-09 14:24:12 <necrodearia> I see 1 confirmed
2161 2011-02-09 14:24:29 <necrodearia> durr, 1/unconfirmed
2162 2011-02-09 14:25:05 <necrodearia> Actually, it isn't necessary for you to upvote, but you're weclome to anyhow
2163 2011-02-09 14:25:12 <necrodearia> I see another post with 6 upvotes already.
2164 2011-02-09 14:25:50 <necrodearia> Oh wait, I misread
2165 2011-02-09 14:25:54 <necrodearia> That's 6 replies, not 6 upvotes
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2167 2011-02-09 14:27:35 <UukGoblin> oh retransferred the bitcoins to the witcoin bitcoin address
2168 2011-02-09 14:28:40 <UukGoblin> s/oh/ok/
2169 2011-02-09 14:28:44 <UukGoblin> waiting for a block
2170 2011-02-09 14:28:58 <UukGoblin> how many confirmations does witcoin need?
2171 2011-02-09 14:30:37 <UukGoblin> wow they generate like crazy today ;-]
2172 2011-02-09 14:31:10 <UukGoblin> necrodearia, upvoted :-]
2173 2011-02-09 14:31:22 <UukGoblin> so it's one bitcent per upvote
2174 2011-02-09 14:31:57 <noagendamarket> whats you witcoin username UukGoblin ?
2175 2011-02-09 14:32:12 <UukGoblin> goblin-witcoin I think
2176 2011-02-09 14:32:33 <UukGoblin> it'd be http://goblin-witcoin.myopenid.com or something
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2178 2011-02-09 14:32:57 * genjix pokes MT`AwAy
2179 2011-02-09 14:33:00 <genjix> MT`AwAy: around?
2180 2011-02-09 14:33:31 <noagendamarket> your profile address I mean
2181 2011-02-09 14:34:38 <genjix> ;;bc,seen MT`AwAy
2182 2011-02-09 14:34:38 <gribble> Error: "bc,seen" is not a valid command.
2183 2011-02-09 14:34:45 <genjix> ;;bc,help
2184 2011-02-09 14:34:45 <gribble> Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,labs, Alias bc,lbs, Alias bc,markets, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,poolstats, Alias bc,prob, Alias bc,stats, Alias bc,timetonext, Alias bc,totalbc, and Alias bc,wiki
2185 2011-02-09 14:35:21 <genjix> ummm seems like gribble is missing a command...
2186 2011-02-09 14:35:22 <MT`AwAy> genjix: ?
2187 2011-02-09 14:35:59 <necrodearia> UukGoblin, thanks.
2188 2011-02-09 14:36:21 <UukGoblin> yw :-]
2189 2011-02-09 14:36:34 <necrodearia> noagendamarket, user #51
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2191 2011-02-09 14:41:17 <UukGoblin> this site is addictive
2192 2011-02-09 14:41:23 <UukGoblin> I spent 4 witcents there already!
2193 2011-02-09 14:42:11 <UukGoblin> and you have 51 users already? that's pretty good
2194 2011-02-09 14:43:58 <UukGoblin> noagendamarket, WOW thanks! :-D
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2196 2011-02-09 14:48:36 <UukGoblin> what a mental generation rate since 14:10
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2199 2011-02-09 14:51:42 <genjix> UukGoblin: can you explain the site to me?
2200 2011-02-09 14:52:31 <UukGoblin> genjix, it's a forum where you need a bitcent to post or vote
2201 2011-02-09 14:52:44 <UukGoblin> and if people's posts earn votes, they can earn the money and stuff
2202 2011-02-09 14:52:52 <genjix> ohh cool
2203 2011-02-09 14:53:02 <genjix> and how about posts
2204 2011-02-09 14:53:11 <genjix> who earns the money there?
2205 2011-02-09 14:53:32 <UukGoblin> dunno
2206 2011-02-09 14:54:35 <UukGoblin> necrodearia would know, I'd just suspect him until proven otherwise ;-]
2207 2011-02-09 14:54:44 <genjix> ok
2208 2011-02-09 14:54:48 * necrodearia waves
2209 2011-02-09 14:55:00 <genjix> it'd be cool if it was kind of like a gambling game
2210 2011-02-09 14:55:02 <necrodearia> If you'd like to learn more, come to #witcoin
2211 2011-02-09 14:55:21 <genjix> why we discuss there instead of here though?
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2213 2011-02-09 14:55:59 <noagendamarket> genjix it is a form of gambling
2214 2011-02-09 14:56:20 <noagendamarket> only the game involves finding awesome shit that people will vote up lol
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2223 2011-02-09 16:00:06 <UukGoblin> ok, use case scenario: we want a user to pay a transaction fee to 'the network' (that is, someone who generates the next block), in a verifiable manner
2224 2011-02-09 16:00:53 <UukGoblin> i.e. "in order to prevent spam, I want you to spend 0.01 BTC to create this account, but I don't want the money, so you give it to the network. And I need to make sure you've done it"
2225 2011-02-09 16:00:55 <luke-jr> might be able to send 0 units to an invalid address (for tracking) with a fee of 0.01?
2226 2011-02-09 16:01:10 <UukGoblin> that's the question: can you send 0 to an address?
2227 2011-02-09 16:01:14 <luke-jr> not sure
2228 2011-02-09 16:01:16 <UukGoblin> and have this address still appear in a block?
2229 2011-02-09 16:01:27 <luke-jr> sounds like a good experiment
2230 2011-02-09 16:01:59 <UukGoblin> or perhaps you could use the transaction description/comment field... if there is one...
2231 2011-02-09 16:02:11 <luke-jr> but again, it's a waste of bitcoin to use for anit-spam
2232 2011-02-09 16:02:33 <UukGoblin> why?
2233 2011-02-09 16:02:47 <luke-jr> you could just as well require the sender find a hash of the body under a certain difficulty
2234 2011-02-09 16:03:17 <luke-jr> …plus some unique message id or smth
2235 2011-02-09 16:03:30 <UukGoblin> like hashcache or what was it
2236 2011-02-09 16:03:35 <luke-jr> dunno
2237 2011-02-09 16:03:41 <UukGoblin> but that'd require the sender to have computational power
2238 2011-02-09 16:03:43 <luke-jr> how could you be sure the unique ID was unique?
2239 2011-02-09 16:03:51 <luke-jr> true
2240 2011-02-09 16:03:56 <noagendamarket> is that a ddos threat ?
2241 2011-02-09 16:04:22 <UukGoblin> noagendamarket, what?
2242 2011-02-09 16:04:32 <luke-jr> I suppose, if you had each SMTP server do it, you could have it use the RCPT list in the hash
2243 2011-02-09 16:04:41 <luke-jr> and for each RCPT target, difficulty goes up
2244 2011-02-09 16:04:49 <UukGoblin> oh, I don't mean SMTP spam
2245 2011-02-09 16:05:02 <luke-jr> then just have your own SMTP servers allow sending w/ auth and no hash
2246 2011-02-09 16:05:18 <luke-jr> as if there's other spam?
2247 2011-02-09 16:05:58 <UukGoblin> ok we can use SMTP as an example but I don't want it SMTP-specific, I'm just wondering about the bitcoin side of the solution
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2249 2011-02-09 16:16:07 <slush> Diablo-D3: ru here?
2250 2011-02-09 16:28:39 <Diablo-D3> no, I am not
2251 2011-02-09 16:28:51 <slush> great, tell me when you'll be back
2252 2011-02-09 16:29:01 <Diablo-D3> I'm only here for people who can write "are you" instead of short hand faggotry
2253 2011-02-09 16:29:33 <slush> Diablo-D3: are you here?
2254 2011-02-09 16:29:36 <slush> fine? :-P
2255 2011-02-09 16:29:52 <xelister> what was the 2nd pool name? penny
2256 2011-02-09 16:30:04 <tcatm> bitpenny
2257 2011-02-09 16:30:09 <xelister> who runs that
2258 2011-02-09 16:30:25 <Diablo-D3> slush: what do you want
2259 2011-02-09 16:30:52 <xelister> what channel/
2260 2011-02-09 16:31:01 <slush> Diablo-D3: miner is not reusing tcp connection, right?
2261 2011-02-09 16:31:30 <Diablo-D3> actually, I think it is
2262 2011-02-09 16:31:35 <Diablo-D3> Im not sure if I could ever get that working right
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2264 2011-02-09 16:33:42 <slush> OK, I'll debug it by self. Looks like you're DDoSing me, guys :)
2265 2011-02-09 16:33:49 <slush> m0mchil is closing connection every time
2266 2011-02-09 16:34:06 <Diablo-D3> Ive written everything in there to make it properly recycle connections
2267 2011-02-09 16:34:10 <slush> which leads to shaping traffic on router, probably
2268 2011-02-09 16:34:20 <Diablo-D3> but I suspect your end is not handling it right
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2270 2011-02-09 16:34:25 <slush> ok, I'll check if it is reusing conenction
2271 2011-02-09 16:34:40 <dishwara> hi
2272 2011-02-09 16:35:03 <dishwara> can any one give me link of camparison of graphics cards with hash/s
2273 2011-02-09 16:35:15 <dishwara> i forgot the bitcoin link & cant find
2274 2011-02-09 16:35:25 <Diablo-D3> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
2275 2011-02-09 16:36:49 <Diablo-D3> slush: as long as I properly empty buffers, java will reuse open connections
2276 2011-02-09 16:36:57 <dishwara> damn why they didnt mentioned HD6970 & HD6950 ?
2277 2011-02-09 16:37:36 <dishwara> where i can find hash/s for  HD6970 & HD6950 ?
2278 2011-02-09 16:38:01 <Diablo-D3> erm
2279 2011-02-09 16:38:02 <Diablo-D3> its on there
2280 2011-02-09 16:38:07 <Diablo-D3> its at the bottom of the AMD list
2281 2011-02-09 16:38:14 <Diablo-D3> oh
2282 2011-02-09 16:38:17 <Diablo-D3> 69xx
2283 2011-02-09 16:38:35 <Diablo-D3> dishwara: its effectively less than 58xx due to requiring SDK 2.3
2284 2011-02-09 16:38:46 <Diablo-D3> it should be 10-15% more, however
2285 2011-02-09 16:39:26 <dishwara> right & wrong
2286 2011-02-09 16:39:33 <dishwara> its not there in bottom list
2287 2011-02-09 16:39:44 <dishwara> only up to 6850 & 6870 is mentioned
2288 2011-02-09 16:39:53 <Diablo-D3> well, thats the numbers for it
2289 2011-02-09 16:39:56 <Diablo-D3> sdk 2.3 holds it back
2290 2011-02-09 16:40:03 <dishwara> & both have hash/s less than that of 5870
2291 2011-02-09 16:40:05 <gribble> Error: "both" is not a valid command.
2292 2011-02-09 16:40:06 <xelister> ati sdk is well known for sucking a dick
2293 2011-02-09 16:40:18 <xelister> I think playboy had a series on this
2294 2011-02-09 16:40:23 <Diablo-D3> 6970 should be 15% more than a 5870
2295 2011-02-09 16:40:26 <Diablo-D3> but as I said, its not
2296 2011-02-09 16:40:48 <dishwara> how to make it more in windows?
2297 2011-02-09 16:40:55 <Diablo-D3> cant.
2298 2011-02-09 16:40:58 <dishwara> 2.2? 2.1?
2299 2011-02-09 16:41:05 <Diablo-D3> you require 2.3 for 69xx, 2.1 doesnt support it
2300 2011-02-09 16:41:09 <dishwara> oh
2301 2011-02-09 16:41:35 <Diablo-D3> they're impressive chips, but handicapped
2302 2011-02-09 16:41:43 <Diablo-D3> on windows you MIGHT not suffer from 2.3 braindamage
2303 2011-02-09 16:41:46 <dishwara> i have to buy for mining , 5870 or 6970, whats ur opinions?
2304 2011-02-09 16:41:48 <Diablo-D3> but who knows
2305 2011-02-09 16:42:01 <tcatm> dishwara: 5870
2306 2011-02-09 16:42:03 <Diablo-D3> you could probably buy two 5870s for not much more than a 6970
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2308 2011-02-09 16:42:33 <dishwara> 6970 is priced low in india, actually same as 5870
2309 2011-02-09 16:42:42 <Diablo-D3> huh ,weird
2310 2011-02-09 16:42:44 <Diablo-D3> buy a 5870
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2313 2011-02-09 16:46:14 <dishwara> http://cgi.ebay.in/Sapphire-Radeon-HD-6970-2-GB-DDR5-DL-DVI-I-SL-DVI-D-/270695359789?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item3f06b3652d#ht_702wt_905
2314 2011-02-09 16:46:24 <dishwara> http://cgi.ebay.in/Sapphire-Radeon-HD-6950-2-GB-DDR5-DL-DVI-I-SL-DVI-D-/270695360027?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item3f06b3661b#ht_702wt_905
2315 2011-02-09 16:46:31 <dishwara> http://cgi.ebay.in/Sapphire-ATI-Radeon-HD5870-1GB-GDDR5-HD-5870-BILL-3YR-/200573490180?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item2eb31c9404#ht_5168wt_905
2316 2011-02-09 16:46:46 <dishwara> please read 3 links & help
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2318 2011-02-09 16:47:17 <Diablo-D3> if you're only doing mining, buy a 5870
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2320 2011-02-09 16:48:06 <dishwara> purpose is to mine BTC & get rich
2321 2011-02-09 16:48:22 <Diablo-D3> you cant really do much on windows, though
2322 2011-02-09 16:48:57 <luke-jr> lol
2323 2011-02-09 16:49:45 <dishwara> i ahve now 9400GT & getting 2500khash/s , it is mentioned as 3370khash/s
2324 2011-02-09 16:50:05 <dishwara> ok, what OS i have to go?
2325 2011-02-09 16:50:13 <luke-jr> Linux ofc
2326 2011-02-09 16:50:14 <Diablo-D3> Linux, really
2327 2011-02-09 16:50:18 <dishwara> linux, which speacail variant
2328 2011-02-09 16:50:24 <Diablo-D3> any, really
2329 2011-02-09 16:50:30 <Diablo-D3> though almost all of us run debian
2330 2011-02-09 16:50:35 <dishwara> ubuntu, suse
2331 2011-02-09 16:50:41 <dishwara> ok
2332 2011-02-09 16:50:51 <dishwara> i hate MAKE file
2333 2011-02-09 16:51:05 <dishwara> dont know programming, so its easy in windows
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2335 2011-02-09 16:51:41 <Diablo-D3> thats a poor excuse to not use linux
2336 2011-02-09 16:52:16 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: someonen in ##hardware says the Mining Hardware Comparison is wrong on SP count
2337 2011-02-09 16:52:19 <luke-jr> [11:43:53] <Beelsebob> ATi count the number of scalar units
2338 2011-02-09 16:52:20 <luke-jr> [11:44:00] <Beelsebob> nVidia count the number of vector units
2339 2011-02-09 16:52:49 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: doesnt matter, ati is a wide vector arch
2340 2011-02-09 16:53:19 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: its also not a cross arch comparison
2341 2011-02-09 16:54:03 <dishwara> not poor excuse, i really failed many times
2342 2011-02-09 16:54:26 <dishwara> but WILL run
2343 2011-02-09 16:55:31 <dishwara> ok, confirmed 5870
2344 2011-02-09 16:55:56 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: the SP column on both DO list unified shaders aka shader processors
2345 2011-02-09 16:56:43 <dishwara> which is the best linux to run max mining?
2346 2011-02-09 16:57:00 <dishwara> some where some one said there is ofc linux....
2347 2011-02-09 16:57:16 <Diablo-D3> dishwara: like I said, most of us run debian, but its not for beginners
2348 2011-02-09 16:57:22 <luke-jr> dishwara: I use a minimal Gentoo VM
2349 2011-02-09 16:58:24 <dishwara> i wont go for VM or virtualbox, coz it will reduce performance
2350 2011-02-09 16:59:16 <luke-jr> no, it won't.
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2352 2011-02-09 16:59:25 <luke-jr> your GPU is mining, not your PCI bus
2353 2011-02-09 17:00:03 <bulletbill> gavinandresen: hey, are you still maintaining the various branches on bitcoin-git?
2354 2011-02-09 17:00:08 <luke-jr> but as much as Debian is not for beginners, getting a VM to do GPU mining is much harder :p
2355 2011-02-09 17:01:17 <gavinandresen> bulletbill: some of my github branches are probably broken
2356 2011-02-09 17:01:27 <dishwara> i used virtual box to test many times so have idea, so do VM
2357 2011-02-09 17:01:51 <luke-jr> dishwara: there's a huge difference between a normal VM, and a VM with a real video card attached
2358 2011-02-09 17:01:58 <dishwara> so wont be a problem & u r right only gpu is going to process, so not much loss in performance
2359 2011-02-09 17:02:48 <dishwara> i started downloading debian6 iso
2360 2011-02-09 17:03:21 <dishwara> where i have to learn about make file...any web link please...
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2362 2011-02-09 17:04:42 <Mango-chan> wait
2363 2011-02-09 17:04:49 <Mango-chan> what's the performance of *nix vs windows
2364 2011-02-09 17:04:52 <Mango-chan> performance difference?
2365 2011-02-09 17:07:51 <dishwara> no i mean VM linux vs direct windows
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2369 2011-02-09 17:09:39 <luke-jr> dishwara: I have no idea if Windows is remotely capable of doing video card passthrough
2370 2011-02-09 17:10:06 <luke-jr> I have huge doubts, as all development is generally Linux and it's still like pre-beta here
2371 2011-02-09 17:10:06 <dishwara> i dont understand
2372 2011-02-09 17:10:41 <dishwara> i am running win7 now, & thinking of trying gentoo or debian in VM or virtual box
2373 2011-02-09 17:10:57 <luke-jr> dishwara: to use a Radeon in a VM, you probably need to use Linux as host
2374 2011-02-09 17:11:02 <dishwara> u saying its bad?
2375 2011-02-09 17:11:05 <dishwara> oh
2376 2011-02-09 17:11:13 <luke-jr> I'm saying I don't believe Windows can do it.
2377 2011-02-09 17:11:33 <bulletbill> gavinandresen: well, in case you still have time/will to update those, line 2269 in monitorreceived does not specify boolean parameter fLong in call to ListTransactions. compile error
2378 2011-02-09 17:11:33 <dishwara> no problem i try , coz trial & error is life
2379 2011-02-09 17:12:10 <bulletbill> gavinandresen: line 2269 in rpc.cpp in that branch
2380 2011-02-09 17:12:17 <dishwara> why debian has 6 DVDS for OS?
2381 2011-02-09 17:12:31 <dishwara> is dvd 1 & 2 enough or have to download all?
2382 2011-02-09 17:12:54 <dishwara> oops 8 dvds
2383 2011-02-09 17:12:56 <gavinandresen> bulletbill: I'm not surprised...  I'll be working on that branch again eventually.  If you fix it, throw me a patch, please.
2384 2011-02-09 17:13:47 <bulletbill> gavinandresen: where should i send patch?
2385 2011-02-09 17:14:11 <gavinandresen> gavinandresen@gmail.com would be a good place.
2386 2011-02-09 17:14:26 <bulletbill> gavinandresen: sounds good
2387 2011-02-09 17:14:29 <gavinandresen> ... or use the github submit patch function if you have a github account
2388 2011-02-09 17:15:06 <gavinandresen> (err, submit pull request is the feature, not submit patch... I think....  head cold is making me fuzzy today)_
2389 2011-02-09 17:15:39 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: I can't find where the avoid-subcent-fees was merged O.o
2390 2011-02-09 17:16:10 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: it's not merged yet, handling sub-cent transactions will be 0.3.21
2391 2011-02-09 17:16:16 <luke-jr> O.o
2392 2011-02-09 17:16:29 <luke-jr> it's not about sub-cent transactions
2393 2011-02-09 17:16:40 <luke-jr> it's about not losing sub-cent change (on normal transactions)
2394 2011-02-09 17:17:07 <gavinandresen> Right, and handling the ENTIRE sub-cent issue in a consistent way will be in 0.3.21
2395 2011-02-09 17:17:28 <luke-jr> this is strictly a bugfix, not related to any new functionality
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2399 2011-02-09 17:21:17 <nanotube> gavinandresen: how far away is the win build and the .20 release? found anyone yet to make the build?
2400 2011-02-09 17:21:38 <nanotube> and further... how far away is the .21 build so we can get the sane behavior of not throwing away subcents. :)
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2402 2011-02-09 17:21:50 <gavinandresen> I'm building linux32 right now.  I still need somebody to build windows.
2403 2011-02-09 17:22:37 <dishwara> luke-jr: http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/va/487103/download   is this the link for gentoo VM?
2404 2011-02-09 17:22:38 <gavinandresen> I dunno how far .21 is; depends on what "we" think should be in it.
2405 2011-02-09 17:22:49 <luke-jr> making sub-cent functionality require .21 makes sense; but waiting on bugfixes, just seems irresponsible IMO
2406 2011-02-09 17:23:04 <luke-jr> dishwara: VMWare is crap. kthx.
2407 2011-02-09 17:23:28 <nanotube> luke-jr: well i can see the reasoning, the bugfix would have to be tested, etc, which would further delay the release.
2408 2011-02-09 17:23:37 <luke-jr> especially as these lost bitcoins near a USD penny in value
2409 2011-02-09 17:23:45 <luke-jr> nanotube: it's been tested for like a month now :p
2410 2011-02-09 17:23:47 <nanotube> luke-jr: though if there's delay due to win build... might as well use the time to test. :)
2411 2011-02-09 17:23:48 <gavinandresen> Irresponsible would be changing the money-handling code the day before a release.
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2413 2011-02-09 17:24:09 <dishwara> sorry, did i said anything wrong?
2414 2011-02-09 17:24:20 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: better to lose people's money, than to *maybe* lose their money?
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2416 2011-02-09 17:24:41 <luke-jr> also, isn't this just a RC we're talking about?
2417 2011-02-09 17:24:43 <luke-jr> not a final release?
2418 2011-02-09 17:24:45 <gavinandresen> If you can't afford to lose a fraction of a penny, then you shouldn't be playing with bitcoin.
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2422 2011-02-09 17:28:47 <nanotube> dishwara: no probably just people are concentrating on the subcent fix discussion instead :)
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2424 2011-02-09 17:30:01 <dishwara> subcent, even though bitcoin allows 8 decimal after , only 2 is used
2425 2011-02-09 17:30:29 <dishwara> i feel it will create the some what similar problem as Y2K in future
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2427 2011-02-09 17:32:19 <luke-jr> dishwara: the problem is here, now.
2428 2011-02-09 17:32:20 <gavinandresen> I don't remember there being any significant Y2K problems......
2429 2011-02-09 17:32:39 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: you've forgotten already? :P
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2431 2011-02-09 17:33:12 <gavinandresen> What problems?  Sure, people did a bunch of work to prepare for it, but so?  How is that a problem?
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2433 2011-02-09 17:33:19 <luke-jr> or you mean, having a budget and employing people for Y2K compliance isn't a problem?
2434 2011-02-09 17:33:33 <gavinandresen> Wasn't a problem for me.
2435 2011-02-09 17:33:39 <luke-jr> :p
2436 2011-02-09 17:33:56 <gavinandresen> I don't remember it causing a recession or anything because we spent a significant fraction of GDP on fixing Y2k problems....
2437 2011-02-09 17:34:23 <gavinandresen> My point is:  worrying about problems that will happen when your successful IS A WASTE OF TIME.
2438 2011-02-09 17:34:36 <luke-jr> but this problem IS A PROBLEM NOW
2439 2011-02-09 17:34:54 <gavinandresen> I'm talking about dishwara's comment.
2440 2011-02-09 17:35:25 <gavinandresen> luke-jr:  I'm about THIS close to just /ignoring you, you have a very annoying tendency to beat dead horses.
2441 2011-02-09 17:35:30 <dishwara> gavinandresen: y2k caused millions of dollars to correct
2442 2011-02-09 17:36:05 <dishwara> & it seems soon within 2011 1BTC=3-5USD
2443 2011-02-09 17:36:06 <gribble> Error: "it" is not a valid command.
2444 2011-02-09 17:36:08 <gavinandresen> dishwara:  yup, sure did.  And think of all those millions of dollars saved in paper tape costs because in the 50s/60s/70s they used 2-digit years....
2445 2011-02-09 17:36:35 <dishwara> so if 1BTC=10USD then every subcent counts
2446 2011-02-09 17:36:54 <dishwara> its better to go for atleast 4 digit now itself
2447 2011-02-09 17:37:16 <gavinandresen> dishwara:  I think we should change the minimum transaction fee before bitcoin hits $10.
2448 2011-02-09 17:37:29 <gavinandresen> Maybe that's bitcoin 0.4.0
2449 2011-02-09 17:37:36 <luke-jr> dishwara: .21 is due before April for sure, I think
2450 2011-02-09 17:37:59 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: I thought that was on the table for .21?
2451 2011-02-09 17:38:09 <dishwara> gavinandresen: what u say, we go for further lower transcation fee?
2452 2011-02-09 17:38:43 <luke-jr> dishwara: when the tx fee was set to .01, it was worth the equivalent of .001 today (or maybe less)
2453 2011-02-09 17:38:52 <gavinandresen> I dunno what's going to be in .21... that's a discussion that should happen AFTER WE GET FRICKIN .20 OUT.....
2454 2011-02-09 17:39:02 <xelister> on vnidia, on linux do you need any extra stuff (other then propertiary driver) to run OpenCL programs?  sam question for windows
2455 2011-02-09 17:39:15 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: who built the Windows client in the past?
2456 2011-02-09 17:39:22 <gavinandresen> satoshi built the windows client.
2457 2011-02-09 17:39:30 <luke-jr> xelister: AFAIK, nvidia mining is at a loss
2458 2011-02-09 17:39:40 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: and he's missing for a while?
2459 2011-02-09 17:39:49 <gavinandresen> He's not missing, he's just busy.
2460 2011-02-09 17:39:51 <xelister> luke-jr: yeah.. but still. eg testing
2461 2011-02-09 17:39:58 <luke-jr> i c
2462 2011-02-09 17:40:05 <xelister> gavinandresen: he's bussy at Yahuza =)
2463 2011-02-09 17:40:35 <dishwara> i really dont understand gavinandresen saying, he was ready to pay millions for y2k fix but dont want even .01 as tx fees?
2464 2011-02-09 17:41:47 <gavinandresen> Actually, I'd like somebody to do a back-of-the-envelope calculation of how much DOES a transaction cost?  How much disk space, network bandwidth, etc?
2465 2011-02-09 17:41:51 <gavinandresen> (across the whole network)
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2467 2011-02-09 17:44:43 <xelister> 2 x 5870 in one tower case.... would that work well in closed-case (not opened + fan) even when o.c. or would it overheat?
2468 2011-02-09 17:47:09 <dishwara> yesterday i had a trx for 34btc & it said to pay 0.13 coz network is slow, i sent 34.13
2469 2011-02-09 17:47:57 <dishwara> its really hard for me coz with 9400GT i am mining in only 0.001+btc
2470 2011-02-09 17:48:30 <dishwara> its like i lost morethan a month cpu for a single tx
2471 2011-02-09 17:48:51 <Diablo-D3> dishwara: why arent you on one of the pools?
2472 2011-02-09 17:49:04 <dishwara> i am in pool
2473 2011-02-09 17:49:25 <dishwara> thats why i get atleast milis
2474 2011-02-09 17:49:36 <luke-jr> dishwara: what? you shouldn't have a fee for 34 BTC
2475 2011-02-09 17:50:07 <luke-jr> and btw, you're paying more in electricity than those 0.13 BTC you lost
2476 2011-02-09 17:50:23 <luke-jr> might as well turn off the miner, it's losing you money if you pay for power
2477 2011-02-09 17:50:39 <dishwara> no, i am ok with fees, but i will be happy if i get those micros in mining
2478 2011-02-09 17:51:20 <dishwara> & i think electricity is cheap atleast in india
2479 2011-02-09 17:51:22 <luke-jr> dishwara: to get 0.01 BTC, you're paying like $0.03 in electric bill
2480 2011-02-09 17:51:23 <gribble> Error: "i" is not a valid command.
2481 2011-02-09 17:51:34 <luke-jr> not *that* cheap
2482 2011-02-09 17:51:40 <dishwara> i get 7kw for 1usd
2483 2011-02-09 17:51:50 <Diablo-D3> you mean 7kwh
2484 2011-02-09 17:52:15 <dishwara> here we measure in kilowatts
2485 2011-02-09 17:52:27 <dishwara> 1KW is 6 inr
2486 2011-02-09 17:52:27 <Diablo-D3> you measure in kwh.
2487 2011-02-09 17:52:51 <Diablo-D3> kw cannot be measured without a time unit
2488 2011-02-09 17:53:05 <dishwara> a 100 watts bulb if burnt for 10 hours will take 1KW
2489 2011-02-09 17:53:12 <Diablo-D3> no, it will take 1kwh
2490 2011-02-09 17:53:12 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: well, it *can* with calculus, but it wouldn't make sense to pay without a time unit
2491 2011-02-09 17:53:21 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: well yes, context
2492 2011-02-09 17:53:34 <Diablo-D3> dishwara: by definition what you just said was 1kwh.
2493 2011-02-09 17:53:43 <dishwara> ok
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2495 2011-02-09 17:54:16 <Diablo-D3> now, in the US, we pay 3-5 USD per KWH, however we make 30-50 times more money than the average person in india
2496 2011-02-09 17:54:43 <Diablo-D3> so, in india, electricity is VERY expensive
2497 2011-02-09 17:54:51 <Diablo-D3> the difference here is, you're being paid in USD for the BTC when you sell it
2498 2011-02-09 17:55:09 <Diablo-D3> which means you're working the currencies against themselves for profit
2499 2011-02-09 17:55:46 <dishwara> i pay 0.13usd for 1kwh
2500 2011-02-09 17:56:29 <dishwara> hey Diablo-D3 seems u wrong
2501 2011-02-09 17:56:49 <Diablo-D3> dishwara: the percentage of an American's average salary per KWH is far smaller than it is in India for an average Indian's salary
2502 2011-02-09 17:56:53 <Diablo-D3> I'm not wrong.
2503 2011-02-09 17:57:17 <Diablo-D3> India's economy is completely boned due to widespread corruption
2504 2011-02-09 17:57:31 <dishwara> i am getting 7KWH for 1usd
2505 2011-02-09 17:57:57 <Diablo-D3> yes, and I would pay 35usd max for that
2506 2011-02-09 17:58:13 <Diablo-D3> but the average american makes waaaay more than 35 times more money than the average indian
2507 2011-02-09 17:58:25 <Diablo-D3> so, as an American, I still win
2508 2011-02-09 17:58:35 <dishwara> well i am not about economy
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2510 2011-02-09 17:59:01 <dishwara> then i can say americans consume more than 75% of worlds resources
2511 2011-02-09 17:59:16 <dishwara> while rest uses less than 25%
2512 2011-02-09 17:59:21 <Diablo-D3> if by resources you mean electricity, sure
2513 2011-02-09 17:59:34 <dishwara> no, i mean all resources
2514 2011-02-09 17:59:42 <Diablo-D3> electricity is not a finite resource, and if we consume 75% of the world's electricity, we're producing 75% of it too.
2515 2011-02-09 17:59:56 <Diablo-D3> dishwara: thats unlikely.
2516 2011-02-09 18:00:00 <dishwara> everything in this world, from man power to infinite
2517 2011-02-09 18:00:21 <dishwara> so, do in india also electricity is infinite
2518 2011-02-09 18:00:35 <dishwara> so as for bitcoin i get more than what i use
2519 2011-02-09 18:01:17 <Diablo-D3> You are profitable in BTC mining only because you sell BTC for USD and are playing the cost of living differential.
2520 2011-02-09 18:01:26 <dishwara> yes
2521 2011-02-09 18:02:12 <Diablo-D3> Not because electricity is cheap, because comparatively, its not.
2522 2011-02-09 18:03:06 <dishwara> again i am not going for economics or politics
2523 2011-02-09 18:03:51 <Diablo-D3> its still part of the cost
2524 2011-02-09 18:04:03 <Diablo-D3> in your particular case, this could be very profitable for you
2525 2011-02-09 18:04:09 <Diablo-D3> but not for the reason you think
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2527 2011-02-09 18:04:20 <dishwara> coz i can easily prove how america helped pakistan with billions, so that india never goes up
2528 2011-02-09 18:04:47 <Diablo-D3> yes, and I can also prove india helped the UK with (what would now be) billions to help enslave china
2529 2011-02-09 18:04:52 <Diablo-D3> but whats a few billion between friends, eh?
2530 2011-02-09 18:05:46 <dishwara> & also how americans trying to be BIG B, so that everyone is controlled by them
2531 2011-02-09 18:05:47 <gribble> Error: "also" is not a valid command.
2532 2011-02-09 18:06:19 <dishwara> china slave? to whom?
2533 2011-02-09 18:07:02 <Diablo-D3> to UK
2534 2011-02-09 18:07:12 <dishwara> & india helped?
2535 2011-02-09 18:07:12 <gribble> Error: "india" is not a valid command.
2536 2011-02-09 18:07:21 <dishwara> how, porve
2537 2011-02-09 18:07:24 <dishwara> prove
2538 2011-02-09 18:07:31 <Diablo-D3> go look up the opium wars
2539 2011-02-09 18:07:47 <Diablo-D3> the summary is: the UK bought refined opium from India, and sold it to China
2540 2011-02-09 18:07:47 <dishwara> America is not run by govt, it is run by BANKS
2541 2011-02-09 18:08:31 <dishwara> lol, just in opium india helped & slaved china to uk?
2542 2011-02-09 18:08:58 <dishwara> then what abt america not allowing NATO & also nuclear to india
2543 2011-02-09 18:09:15 <dishwara> while they still having & producing nuclear weapons?
2544 2011-02-09 18:10:07 <Diablo-D3> no one should have nuclear weapons
2545 2011-02-09 18:10:09 <luke-jr> …
2546 2011-02-09 18:10:19 <luke-jr> what's with the bickering
2547 2011-02-09 18:10:20 <dishwara> then why still america have?
2548 2011-02-09 18:10:25 <luke-jr> both India and America suck
2549 2011-02-09 18:10:27 <luke-jr> get over it
2550 2011-02-09 18:10:50 <Diablo-D3> Yeah, but at least I don't have to bribe 12 different officials to register a car
2551 2011-02-09 18:11:00 <luke-jr> lol
2552 2011-02-09 18:11:22 <luke-jr> that'd be cheaper than registering a car here :/
2553 2011-02-09 18:11:25 <dishwara> ya, india is corrupted
2554 2011-02-09 18:11:32 <dishwara> corrupted by america
2555 2011-02-09 18:11:40 <luke-jr> it's like $500 to register a vehicle in FL
2556 2011-02-09 18:11:42 <dishwara> so that america will be the BIG B
2557 2011-02-09 18:11:55 <dishwara> like now trying to switch off internet
2558 2011-02-09 18:12:10 <dishwara> internet kill switch with .com domains, trying to control
2559 2011-02-09 18:12:11 <Diablo-D3> india was corrupted long before we stepped in
2560 2011-02-09 18:12:15 <luke-jr> dishwara: how much do you have to bribe to register a car?
2561 2011-02-09 18:12:23 <dishwara> non
2562 2011-02-09 18:12:24 <Diablo-D3> theres a reason it was called the BRITISH raj and not the american raj
2563 2011-02-09 18:12:36 <luke-jr> dishwara: Internet is a US invention, what do you expect?
2564 2011-02-09 18:12:51 <dishwara> yes, british only colonised india, america trying to colonise total world
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2567 2011-02-09 18:13:54 <dishwara> America has less than 2000 years history, india has morethan 10000 years history
2568 2011-02-09 18:14:23 <dishwara> america was DISCOVERED by colombus & killed all red indians , so that they live happily
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2570 2011-02-09 18:15:12 <luke-jr> I have an idea. Let's play a game of Global Thermonuclear War
2571 2011-02-09 18:17:18 <jgarzik> andrew12: turn on quiet mode, to turn off hashmeter output
2572 2011-02-09 18:17:59 <dishwara> i already was in bitcion & others started
2573 2011-02-09 18:18:11 <jgarzik> hrm.  version 0.3.20-pre crashed.
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2575 2011-02-09 18:18:27 <dishwara> luke-jr: u saying we will have 4 decimal in new release?
2576 2011-02-09 18:19:05 <luke-jr> dishwara: …
2577 2011-02-09 18:19:42 <luke-jr> hopefully .21 will be designed to handle minimum of 0.0001 with full precision
2578 2011-02-09 18:19:54 <dishwara> thats good news
2579 2011-02-09 18:20:10 <luke-jr> it's not news.
2580 2011-02-09 18:20:12 <luke-jr> it's a hope.
2581 2011-02-09 18:20:21 <luke-jr> maybe futile if gavinandresen refuses to merge stuff
2582 2011-02-09 18:21:03 <EvanR-work> whats the new ati card suppose to be better than 5970?
2583 2011-02-09 18:21:09 <dishwara> i dont know much abt btc, gavinandresen is the key developer?
2584 2011-02-09 18:21:44 <dishwara> luke-jr: ?
2585 2011-02-09 18:23:36 <luke-jr> dishwara: seems like he has control of the original client now
2586 2011-02-09 18:23:51 <luke-jr> dishwara: there are other clients, but still alpha/beta stage
2587 2011-02-09 18:24:03 <EvanR-work> 6970?
2588 2011-02-09 18:24:11 <luke-jr> 6990 IIRC
2589 2011-02-09 18:24:39 <EvanR-work> is there an equivalent nvidia card
2590 2011-02-09 18:25:04 <luke-jr> LOL nowhere near
2591 2011-02-09 18:25:19 <luke-jr> nvidia's best is 120 MH/s
2592 2011-02-09 18:25:34 <luke-jr> (contrast with 5970, which is 535+ MH/s
2593 2011-02-09 18:25:50 <EvanR-work> i get 620
2594 2011-02-09 18:26:03 <EvanR-work> with minimal overclocking
2595 2011-02-09 18:26:05 <luke-jr> exactly.
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2602 2011-02-09 18:34:37 <devon_hillard> Has someone tested NVidia CUDA and AMD OpenCL side-by-side in a (semi)-serious application?
2603 2011-02-09 18:35:44 <brunner> How many GPU's can someone pack into a single box?
2604 2011-02-09 18:37:23 <EvanR-work> what happens if you use a USD debit card in europe?
2605 2011-02-09 18:37:29 <EvanR-work> auto converts? they accept usd?
2606 2011-02-09 18:37:31 <EvanR-work> or what
2607 2011-02-09 18:37:59 <luke-jr> EvanR-work: more likely, they don't accept it
2608 2011-02-09 18:38:03 <devon_hillard> brunner: probably 4, at most 7 in a normal desktop box
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2610 2011-02-09 18:39:15 <luke-jr> EvanR-work: it's my understanding that "Visa Europe" is a different entity than "Visa"
2611 2011-02-09 18:39:25 <luke-jr> merely licensing the trademark
2612 2011-02-09 18:39:30 <devon_hillard> EvanR-work: try to plug it into an ATM and see your balance
2613 2011-02-09 18:40:01 <devon_hillard> EvanR-work: I believe you can exchange for euros at the bank's current rate
2614 2011-02-09 18:41:33 <devon_hillard> the bank's rate may be a few pp's in arbitrage and fees
2615 2011-02-09 18:42:18 <devon_hillard> interestingly, you can't use an EU card outside the EU
2616 2011-02-09 18:42:28 <devon_hillard> in an ATM
2617 2011-02-09 18:42:58 <devon_hillard> to prevent card skimming, they are implementing chip transactions
2618 2011-02-09 18:44:13 <brunner> I wonder if botnet owners will ever start mining bitcoin.
2619 2011-02-09 18:44:33 <brunner> It seems like mining bitcoin would be the best way to monetize a botnet.
2620 2011-02-09 18:45:00 <Diablo-D3> [01:28:15] <devon_hillard> Has someone tested NVidia CUDA and AMD OpenCL side-by-side in a (semi)-serious application?
2621 2011-02-09 18:45:02 <Diablo-D3> yes
2622 2011-02-09 18:45:04 <Diablo-D3> nvidia failed
2623 2011-02-09 18:45:18 <devon_hillard> Diablo-D3: what application?
2624 2011-02-09 18:45:23 <Diablo-D3> diablominer.
2625 2011-02-09 18:45:27 <devon_hillard> oh :)
2626 2011-02-09 18:45:55 <devon_hillard> what about firestream or directcompute?
2627 2011-02-09 18:46:16 <Diablo-D3> directcompute is dx11's opencl
2628 2011-02-09 18:46:19 <Diablo-D3> its the same shit
2629 2011-02-09 18:46:21 <jgarzik> boy, someone just sold a bunch on mtgox
2630 2011-02-09 18:46:35 <devon_hillard> USD?
2631 2011-02-09 18:47:57 <devon_hillard> btw diablo-d3, sent you another BTC :)
2632 2011-02-09 18:53:42 <MacRohard> there's stuff like visa electron that barely works anywhere
2633 2011-02-09 18:53:57 <MacRohard> but regular visa cards issued in the eu should work fine in atms worldwide
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2647 2011-02-09 19:16:46 <gigitrix> live.twit.tv - live show about bitcoin
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2651 2011-02-09 19:25:07 <bulletbill> hey can someone send me a 100 testnet coins to msVA6DxjkpqUiBiKp3KCKafGQky1twHyi9
2652 2011-02-09 19:28:00 <afed> i hate leo laporte
2653 2011-02-09 19:28:13 <afed> and steve gison
2654 2011-02-09 19:28:19 <afed> he is a lying fucking cockmaster
2655 2011-02-09 19:28:46 <afed> http://attrition.org/errata/charlatan/steve_gibson/
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2657 2011-02-09 19:32:02 <x6763> well, we might see some steve gibson fans coming soon, interested in bitcoin...maybe just leave whatever problems you have with gibson so you don't offend the potential adopters?
2658 2011-02-09 19:32:05 <gigitrix> attrition? really?
2659 2011-02-09 19:32:25 <gigitrix> i was a fan before I found bitcoin </hipster>
2660 2011-02-09 19:34:08 <gavinandresen> I was thinking just today it'd be cool if steve and leo talked about bitcoin.....
2661 2011-02-09 19:35:14 <afed> i guess i can tolerate allowing gibson to draw oxygen if it increases the value of my bitcoins
2662 2011-02-09 19:37:47 <dishwara> gavinandresen: are u the one working on original client?
2663 2011-02-09 19:37:59 <gavinandresen> I'm one of the people, yeah.
2664 2011-02-09 19:39:07 <tcatm> someone should do some transactions.. soo many empty blocks within the last minutes :)
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2666 2011-02-09 19:40:15 <jgarzik> tcatm: you can always send money to 1N8WJtMKp3fL62hCczkKkeZcpBoT5iX5dJ, on of my addresses :)
2667 2011-02-09 19:47:59 <bulletbill> does anyone have testnet coins? i need some :(
2668 2011-02-09 19:48:51 <tcatm> bulletbill: how many?
2669 2011-02-09 19:48:59 <tcatm> I'll sell 10000 for a pizza :)
2670 2011-02-09 19:49:23 <gavinandresen> New testnet or old testnet?  The test faucet is giving out 0.3.20 coins now
2671 2011-02-09 19:49:50 <tcatm> I accidently mined 16k new testnet coins while testing my miner
2672 2011-02-09 19:50:07 <bulletbill> lol...you're rich on testnet!
2673 2011-02-09 19:50:12 <bulletbill> i just need a 100
2674 2011-02-09 19:50:19 <tcatm> address?
2675 2011-02-09 19:50:25 <bulletbill> didn't realize there was a testnet faucet
2676 2011-02-09 19:50:32 <bulletbill> msVA6DxjkpqUiBiKp3KCKafGQky1twHyi9
2677 2011-02-09 19:50:38 <jgarzik> bulletbill: https://freebitcoins.appspot.com/TEST/
2678 2011-02-09 19:51:02 <tcatm> 100 testBTC sent
2679 2011-02-09 19:51:45 <bulletbill> jgarzik: ahhh...i tried /testnet...thanks
2680 2011-02-09 19:52:49 <bulletbill> thanks tcatm...
2681 2011-02-09 19:56:06 <gavinandresen> I think maybe I'd better add more coins to the Faucet... got a feeling it'll be getting a lot of new traffic in the next fews days.
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2683 2011-02-09 19:57:02 <tcatm> is it still giving 0.05 BTC?
2684 2011-02-09 19:58:10 <andrew12> tcatm: "accidentally"
2685 2011-02-09 19:58:31 <tcatm> gavinandresen: donated 50 BTC
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2687 2011-02-09 19:59:23 <andrew12> gavinandresen: why will it be getting more traffic?
2688 2011-02-09 19:59:49 <gavinandresen> Security Now gets lots of listeners, and they're doing an episode on bitcoin right now.
2689 2011-02-09 19:59:54 <gavinandresen> Saying all sorts of good things about it!
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2691 2011-02-09 20:01:39 <jgarzik> parity!
2692 2011-02-09 20:01:59 <tcatm> with ~2000 BTC volume
2693 2011-02-09 20:02:23 <jgarzik> time for price to fall, due to profit-taking
2694 2011-02-09 20:02:48 <tcatm> I had a darkpool order just below parity
2695 2011-02-09 20:03:24 <tcatm> 4k
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2697 2011-02-09 20:03:56 <slush> gavinandresen: do you have stats of visitors on faucet? It would be nice to watch
2698 2011-02-09 20:05:08 <dduane> :) slush
2699 2011-02-09 20:05:58 <bitanarchy> If hosting services can be payed for by bitcoins.... how long will it take before a digital organism that trades and mines coins will come into being?
2700 2011-02-09 20:06:07 <bulletbill> parity reached
2701 2011-02-09 20:07:34 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: got a crash on git-current in bitcoind...  just stopped without warning.  it's a public node running on a VPS, with the only notable thing being that it sees a lot of 'getwork' RPC traffic from multiple IPs
2702 2011-02-09 20:07:58 <jgarzik> though I doubt it's related to this bitcoind crash, it makes me want to rewrite RPC into a select(2) loop even more
2703 2011-02-09 20:08:09 <gavinandresen> tcatm was seeing something like that...
2704 2011-02-09 20:08:16 <gavinandresen> I couldn't reproduce
2705 2011-02-09 20:08:46 <slush> jgarzik: also cannot reproduce. I tested .20 on pool
2706 2011-02-09 20:08:52 <slush> but not in production yet
2707 2011-02-09 20:09:21 <gavinandresen> tcatm was seeing it with heavy RPC traffic
2708 2011-02-09 20:09:26 <jgarzik> I never saw this, running my poold.py on .20 (== lots of getwork, from 127.0.0.1)
2709 2011-02-09 20:09:48 <jgarzik> but now that I switched vlad's miners to point directly to .20 bitcoind, it crashes
2710 2011-02-09 20:10:01 <midnightmagic> well well well..  $1.00 legitimately.. >2K BTC @ $1.00..
2711 2011-02-09 20:10:28 <tcatm> I'm running .20 with getwork miners and it seems stable
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2713 2011-02-09 20:12:07 <jgarzik> so far it's just happened once.  trying to reproduce now.
2714 2011-02-09 20:12:52 <jgarzik> it happened many hours after switching on vlad's miners, so there doesn't seem to be an obvious triggering event
2715 2011-02-09 20:13:16 <tcatm> I tried very hard (running different http benchmark programs, few js-remotes that looped on listtransactions/listaccounts) and I couldn't reproduce it
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2718 2011-02-09 20:14:00 <gavinandresen> I ran under valgrind to look for memory access errors, didn't find anything.
2719 2011-02-09 20:14:25 <tcatm> I got this once https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues#issue/28
2720 2011-02-09 20:14:47 <andrew12> hm
2721 2011-02-09 20:14:54 <andrew12> how do you flush an fd in C?
2722 2011-02-09 20:15:05 <tcatm> fflush()
2723 2011-02-09 20:15:10 <Diablo-D3> fflush?
2724 2011-02-09 20:15:11 <Diablo-D3> heh
2725 2011-02-09 20:15:47 <jgarzik> an fd?  fsync(2)
2726 2011-02-09 20:15:52 <jgarzik> fflush is stdio.
2727 2011-02-09 20:16:07 <andrew12> how would i flush stderr? :p
2728 2011-02-09 20:16:12 <dirtyfilthy> fflush
2729 2011-02-09 20:16:14 <jgarzik> fflush
2730 2011-02-09 20:16:15 <tcatm> mhm true. Too much python coding lately
2731 2011-02-09 20:16:38 <jgarzik> fflush(stderr) or fsync(STDERR_FILENO)
2732 2011-02-09 20:16:53 <jgarzik> are you using read/write or fread/fwrite/fgets/etc.
2733 2011-02-09 20:17:37 <andrew12> printf.. jgarzik I'm trying to make your miner do \r                                    \r before where it puts the hashrate, so i can see when I get a block
2734 2011-02-09 20:17:55 <andrew12> i know very little C
2735 2011-02-09 20:18:17 <tcatm> andrew12: printf(); fflush(stdout);
2736 2011-02-09 20:18:24 <jgarzik> andrew12: the hashrate is highly unlikely to vary, meaning it is redundant information after your first run on a given hardware.
2737 2011-02-09 20:18:30 <tcatm> see oclminer -> miner.c line 222
2738 2011-02-09 20:18:33 <jgarzik> andrew12: therefore, just use "-q" quiet mode, to turn off hashmeter
2739 2011-02-09 20:18:41 <andrew12> jgarzik: I still want to see the hash meter
2740 2011-02-09 20:18:53 <andrew12> well
2741 2011-02-09 20:18:54 <jgarzik> andrew12: it prints the same thing over and over and over again :)
2742 2011-02-09 20:18:56 <andrew12> i guess you're right
2743 2011-02-09 20:19:15 <jgarzik> the equivalent of
2744 2011-02-09 20:19:20 <jgarzik> My penis is 24" long
2745 2011-02-09 20:19:21 <jgarzik> My penis is 24" long
2746 2011-02-09 20:19:22 <jgarzik> My penis is 24" long
2747 2011-02-09 20:19:22 <jgarzik> My penis is 24" long
2748 2011-02-09 20:19:24 <jgarzik> ...
2749 2011-02-09 20:19:24 <tcatm> jgarzik: adopt my results -> effective hashrate code. then it will vary a bit
2750 2011-02-09 20:19:27 <andrew12> heh
2751 2011-02-09 20:20:13 <andrew12> it might be significant that i get the most hashrate with cryptopp_asm32
2752 2011-02-09 20:20:15 <jgarzik> tcatm: cpuminer uses gettimeofday() with nanosecond resolution.  it varies, just not by a relevant amount.
2753 2011-02-09 20:20:56 <jgarzik> tcatm: for the same setup, you will get basically the same hashrate for the entire length of the run (barring the computer using CPU for other tasks, obviously)
2754 2011-02-09 20:21:32 <andrew12> now that this is running, i'll brb on my mac in the living room
2755 2011-02-09 20:21:53 <tcatm> yes, that's why I'm checking results and calculate the hashrate from returned results. this way I notice when GPU starts to return wrong results
2756 2011-02-09 20:23:02 <eureka^> i think i like this channel far more than most on freenode
2757 2011-02-09 20:23:17 <andrew12> hehe
2758 2011-02-09 20:25:29 <jgarzik> tcatm: you mean timing between successful solutions?
2759 2011-02-09 20:27:11 <dduane> gavinandresen:  you're in the spotlight
2760 2011-02-09 20:27:29 <devon_hillard> afed: wow about steve gibson
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2762 2011-02-09 20:28:33 <gavinandresen> This is very, very good for bitcoin.....
2763 2011-02-09 20:28:57 <andrew12> indeed
2764 2011-02-09 20:28:58 <grondilu> what? (I've just arrived)
2765 2011-02-09 20:29:03 <prax> http://live.twit.tv/
2766 2011-02-09 20:29:06 <andrew12> ^^
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2768 2011-02-09 20:29:21 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: as long as they get the details right.   I hope to avoid interviews saying that the author is a "world renowned cryptographer" and that bitcoin employs "encryption"
2769 2011-02-09 20:29:29 <prax> ;;bc,mtgox
2770 2011-02-09 20:29:29 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1,"low":0.82,"vol":42637,"buy":0.9401,"sell":1,"last":0.95}}
2771 2011-02-09 20:29:46 <genjix> fuucck! how can i watch this? (linux)
2772 2011-02-09 20:29:53 <genjix> ok its playing now
2773 2011-02-09 20:30:10 <grondilu> ask is at 1$??
2774 2011-02-09 20:30:15 <tcatm> jgarzik: yes, for H=0 solutions currently. I plan to correlate results to the poisson distribution in later versions
2775 2011-02-09 20:30:23 <andrew12> grondilu: that's what happens when stuff like this happens. :D
2776 2011-02-09 20:30:31 <andrew12> TWiT is VERY popular
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2778 2011-02-09 20:30:56 <genjix> lumos: http://live.twit.tv/
2779 2011-02-09 20:31:01 <andrew12> I'm curious how many people are downloading the block chain right now
2780 2011-02-09 20:31:02 <andrew12> lol
2781 2011-02-09 20:31:11 <andrew12> pooling!
2782 2011-02-09 20:31:16 <gavinandresen> It'll be a podcast in a day or two (it's one of the podcasts I regularly listen to)
2783 2011-02-09 20:31:27 <genjix> which country s twit from?
2784 2011-02-09 20:31:39 <gavinandresen> US
2785 2011-02-09 20:31:43 <ducki2p> ussa
2786 2011-02-09 20:31:51 <lumos> union of so..
2787 2011-02-09 20:31:56 <luke-jr> jgarzik: signatures don't count as encryption anymore?
2788 2011-02-09 20:32:00 <jgarzik> who volunteers to post the podcast URL to "bitcoin notable press hits, sources" thread on the forum?  :)
2789 2011-02-09 20:32:06 <lumos> me
2790 2011-02-09 20:32:27 <andrew12> does he usually talk like this?
2791 2011-02-09 20:32:36 <genjix> so technical
2792 2011-02-09 20:32:40 <jgarzik> luke-jr: encryption implies being able to derive plaintext from the ciphertext
2793 2011-02-09 20:32:55 <luke-jr> does it?
2794 2011-02-09 20:33:00 <genjix> gavinandresen: have you read all those books?
2795 2011-02-09 20:33:04 <lumos> what are those things in the background
2796 2011-02-09 20:33:06 <luke-jr> so you can't encrypt binary data?
2797 2011-02-09 20:33:26 <gavinandresen> genjix: what books?
2798 2011-02-09 20:33:37 <genjix> on the bookshelf... there's like 100s
2799 2011-02-09 20:33:56 <lumos> they talked about bitcoin on the max keiser show
2800 2011-02-09 20:33:58 <lumos> briefly
2801 2011-02-09 20:34:21 <andrew12> bitcoin.arg
2802 2011-02-09 20:34:22 <andrew12> lmao
2803 2011-02-09 20:34:37 <genjix> there's no piracy in the bitcoin world <- lol O.K.!
2804 2011-02-09 20:34:46 <jgarzik> luke-jr: "plaintext" and "ciphertext" have specific, technical meanings in the crypto community.  it has nothing to do with text or binary data.
2805 2011-02-09 20:34:50 <andrew12> someone should tell them they can download the block chain off the internet
2806 2011-02-09 20:35:01 <andrew12> a zip of it
2807 2011-02-09 20:35:05 <genjix> dats a huge microphone.
2808 2011-02-09 20:35:13 <jgarzik> yes, here: http://yyz.us/bitcoin/block-db-94000.tar.bz2
2809 2011-02-09 20:35:17 <andrew12> yep
2810 2011-02-09 20:35:23 <jgarzik> ack's for windows, linux 32-bit and linux 64-bit
2811 2011-02-09 20:35:25 <genjix> longer than his head
2812 2011-02-09 20:35:25 <citiz3n> oh shit that's steve gibson
2813 2011-02-09 20:35:29 <citiz3n> i didn't realize that
2814 2011-02-09 20:35:56 <lumos> lots of people think they can make the big bux on their home computer generationg coin
2815 2011-02-09 20:36:04 <andrew12> yep
2816 2011-02-09 20:36:16 <genjix> TANKS TAM
2817 2011-02-09 20:36:28 <andrew12> let's make them get in irc
2818 2011-02-09 20:36:30 <andrew12> :p
2819 2011-02-09 20:36:32 <jgarzik> Who will be the first to create "bitcoin is not about mining" bumper sticker on CafePress?
2820 2011-02-09 20:36:53 <citiz3n> but mining is so much fun...
2821 2011-02-09 20:36:57 <genjix> who is this steve gibbon?
2822 2011-02-09 20:37:08 <jgarzik> we definitely need a "bitcoin gear" store, with t-shirts and mugs and crapola like that
2823 2011-02-09 20:37:09 <lumos> gr8 now the good part of the program
2824 2011-02-09 20:37:13 <jgarzik> bitcoin shotglass
2825 2011-02-09 20:37:40 <grondilu> damn I had just sold 71 BTC.  Just before this spike.
2826 2011-02-09 20:37:53 <genjix> grondilu: i sold 2.7k
2827 2011-02-09 20:38:03 <citiz3n> ;;bc,mtgox
2828 2011-02-09 20:38:03 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1,"low":0.82,"vol":42697,"buy":0.9601,"sell":0.9988,"last":0.9988}}
2829 2011-02-09 20:38:11 <citiz3n> spike indeed
2830 2011-02-09 20:38:16 <andrew12> it'll be funny when they realize bitcoin makes your internet slow if you've got dsl
2831 2011-02-09 20:38:22 <lumos> mailroute.info
2832 2011-02-09 20:38:25 <citiz3n> who's going to create a bitcoin gadget for windows
2833 2011-02-09 20:38:27 <citiz3n> ticker :)
2834 2011-02-09 20:38:32 <genjix> wooo
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2836 2011-02-09 20:38:38 <genjix> steve gibbon lets his hair down
2837 2011-02-09 20:38:40 <hacim> here comes parity
2838 2011-02-09 20:38:49 <andrew12> parity happened twice earlier
2839 2011-02-09 20:39:00 <lumos> wow
2840 2011-02-09 20:39:06 <hacim> oh it did?
2841 2011-02-09 20:39:09 <hacim> damn it did
2842 2011-02-09 20:39:09 <andrew12> yeah
2843 2011-02-09 20:39:13 <andrew12> :P
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2845 2011-02-09 20:39:46 <andrew12> http://mtgox.heroku.com/2h
2846 2011-02-09 20:39:55 <slush> ;;bc,poolstats
2847 2011-02-09 20:39:56 <gribble> {"active_workers": 443, "ghashes_ps": "41.526", "getwork_ps": 153}
2848 2011-02-09 20:40:28 <citiz3n> This guy looks like John Lennon
2849 2011-02-09 20:40:37 <hacim> good thing I sold at .93 earlier
2850 2011-02-09 20:41:01 <prax> http://wiki.twit.tv/wiki/Security_Now
2851 2011-02-09 20:41:11 <prax> show isnt up yet but you can add info about btc there
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2855 2011-02-09 20:49:29 <gavinandresen> I need guinea pigs:  http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.3.20/bitcoin-0.3.20-linux.tar.gz/download
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2857 2011-02-09 20:49:56 <EvanR-work> hacim: lol
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2859 2011-02-09 20:50:06 <EvanR-work> i sold at .94 ;)
2860 2011-02-09 20:50:10 <EvanR-work> suckas
2861 2011-02-09 20:50:16 <luke-jr> jgarzik: sounds like the crypto community defines words differently than laymen
2862 2011-02-09 20:50:37 <andrew12> http://mtgox.heroku.com/1h -- if you refresh it,you'll see it moves now
2863 2011-02-09 20:50:45 <andrew12> \o/
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2865 2011-02-09 20:51:52 <luke-jr> andrew12: now get it to move without refreshing :p
2866 2011-02-09 20:52:17 <andrew12> that involves polling repeatedly which is lame :(
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2870 2011-02-09 20:52:50 <luke-jr> only if you do it the Wrong Way™
2871 2011-02-09 20:52:58 <genjix> gavinandresen: would it be possible to add a lock file when starting up before the server is connected?
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2873 2011-02-09 20:53:30 <jgarzik> genjix: what are you trying to accomplish?
2874 2011-02-09 20:53:44 <genjix> jgarzik: see whether bitcoind is starting up
2875 2011-02-09 20:54:12 <genjix> i want to know the state of bitcoin (starting up, connecting to hosts, downloading blocks, normal)
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2877 2011-02-09 20:54:30 <genjix> for downloading blocks, I can run a web service which it checks against.
2878 2011-02-09 20:55:07 <genjix> but for starting up you can only see whether a process named bitcoind exists
2879 2011-02-09 20:55:29 <gavinandresen> Anything is possible... but I think there are things much higher on my personal development list
2880 2011-02-09 20:55:56 <genjix> yep, I was asking to submit a patch
2881 2011-02-09 20:56:09 <genjix> *if I
2882 2011-02-09 20:56:13 <gavinandresen> Starting up the rpc server earlier and teaching it to give startup information if you send it getinfo might be a better way of doing it.
2883 2011-02-09 20:56:29 <genjix> ok
2884 2011-02-09 20:57:17 <andrew12> is it possible to merge two separate wallets?
2885 2011-02-09 20:57:30 <gavinandresen> Anything is possible....
2886 2011-02-09 20:57:36 <gavinandresen> (well, that's not actually true)
2887 2011-02-09 20:57:49 <gavinandresen> It's not easy to merge wallets right now.
2888 2011-02-09 20:57:53 <andrew12> s/is it possible/how hard is it/
2889 2011-02-09 20:57:56 <andrew12> lol
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2891 2011-02-09 20:58:23 <gavinandresen> Importing a backed up wallet (== merge wallets) IS high on my personal bitcoin development list
2892 2011-02-09 20:59:03 <andrew12> gavinandresen: have you made any money off the adds on the faucet yet?
2893 2011-02-09 20:59:06 <gavinandresen> ... but after the 0.3.20 release I'm going to spend time working on clearcoin before doing much more bitcoin dev
2894 2011-02-09 20:59:17 <gavinandresen> $25 so far.
2895 2011-02-09 20:59:36 <gavinandresen> With bitcoins going for $1 apiece, that's still losing money.  Just losing money more slowly
2896 2011-02-09 20:59:42 <genjix> good luck with that
2897 2011-02-09 20:59:46 <genjix> i like the idea
2898 2011-02-09 21:00:14 <gavinandresen> I never intended the Faucet to make money...
2899 2011-02-09 21:00:58 <genjix> maybe ask MagicalTux to host the faucet if theres trouble with that
2900 2011-02-09 21:01:07 <gavinandresen> trouble with what?
2901 2011-02-09 21:01:16 <genjix> cost of web hosting
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2903 2011-02-09 21:01:25 <gavinandresen> Nah, web hosting is cheap these days.
2904 2011-02-09 21:01:27 <genjix> or maintaining a server
2905 2011-02-09 21:01:29 <genjix> ok
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2907 2011-02-09 21:02:20 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: what's clearcoin?
2908 2011-02-09 21:02:36 <gavinandresen> clearcoin.com -- my bitcoin escrow service
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2910 2011-02-09 21:03:16 <genjix> how do banks offer arbitration? there's a bunch of forms and stuff you have to fill in.
2911 2011-02-09 21:03:31 <genjix> then they hold your money for 10 days
2912 2011-02-09 21:03:41 <andrew12> jgarzik: would you mind if i linked to http://yyz.us/bitcoin/block-db-94000.tar.bz2 in the twit chat?
2913 2011-02-09 21:04:07 <andrew12> not sure how stable your server is
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2920 2011-02-09 21:11:30 <gavinandresen> Faucet traffic spike:  http://img13.imageshack.us/i/screenshot20110209at403.jpg/
2921 2011-02-09 21:12:12 <luke-jr> when does it drop to .005? :P
2922 2011-02-09 21:12:26 <luke-jr> as soon as .21 is done, or later? :p
2923 2011-02-09 21:12:34 <slush> gavinandresen: is that faucet's record?
2924 2011-02-09 21:12:35 <genjix> hehe nice
2925 2011-02-09 21:12:43 <genjix> :)
2926 2011-02-09 21:12:51 <gavinandresen> slush: I dunno, I don't keep track
2927 2011-02-09 21:12:56 <genjix> 1) what is the average size of a block?
2928 2011-02-09 21:13:05 <genjix> 2) will it forever stay the same filesize?
2929 2011-02-09 21:13:31 <andrew12> nope
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2931 2011-02-09 21:13:51 <andrew12> average size is....no idea :D
2932 2011-02-09 21:13:59 <ArtForz> 1) 701 bytes currently
2933 2011-02-09 21:14:03 <ArtForz> 2) no
2934 2011-02-09 21:14:03 <andrew12> take the size of blk0001.dat and divide it by the number of blocks
2935 2011-02-09 21:14:07 <ArtForz> yep
2936 2011-02-09 21:14:34 <luke-jr> Good example where decimal makes my life a pain: manual bisecting
2937 2011-02-09 21:14:46 <genjix> for instance in a bitcoin client I want to show if the blocks are downloading
2938 2011-02-09 21:15:11 <genjix> if it's only a few seconds then there's no need to popup a progress bar
2939 2011-02-09 21:15:30 <genjix> so if the file size changes then what do?
2940 2011-02-09 21:15:38 <luke-jr> genjix: QBitCoin comes with a totally new RPC interface ;)
2941 2011-02-09 21:15:40 <jgarzik> andrew12: link away
2942 2011-02-09 21:15:59 <genjix> luke-jr: MagicalTux is making that, right?
2943 2011-02-09 21:16:07 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy
2944 2011-02-09 21:16:22 <genjix> yeah
2945 2011-02-09 21:16:28 <luke-jr> I would be too, if he let me help -.-
2946 2011-02-09 21:16:28 <genjix> it's from the ideas we discussed
2947 2011-02-09 21:17:02 <genjix> luke-jr: isn't he just making the core?
2948 2011-02-09 21:17:09 <luke-jr> all of it afaik
2949 2011-02-09 21:17:11 <MT`AwAy> XD
2950 2011-02-09 21:17:18 <genjix> oh hey :p
2951 2011-02-09 21:17:21 <MT`AwAy> hi
2952 2011-02-09 21:17:26 <MT`AwAy> I kinda heared my name
2953 2011-02-09 21:18:16 <genjix> so how can I see if there's 1 MB of blocks left to download?
2954 2011-02-09 21:18:26 <genjix> true/false
2955 2011-02-09 21:18:43 <genjix> because the block size if variable and changes over time...
2956 2011-02-09 21:18:51 <ArtForz> you can't
2957 2011-02-09 21:19:19 <MT`AwAy> you know how many blocks are missing, not how big they are :3
2958 2011-02-09 21:19:20 <genjix> how about if I make a web service that queries the current block filesize
2959 2011-02-09 21:19:32 <genjix> MT`AwAy: yeah...
2960 2011-02-09 21:19:34 <MT`AwAy> genjix: depend on central server ?
2961 2011-02-09 21:19:45 <genjix> yeah that's how you know how many are missing
2962 2011-02-09 21:20:08 <MT`AwAy> instead we could implement a protocol method that returns block numbers & sizes
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2964 2011-02-09 21:20:23 <genjix> user can tell they are 60% through first time initialisation of the client
2965 2011-02-09 21:21:35 <genjix> MT`AwAy: why not use dbus for the server instead of rpc?
2966 2011-02-09 21:21:53 <genjix> then it'd integrate with the gnome/kde desktops
2967 2011-02-09 21:22:04 <MT`AwAy> genjix: I could allow dbus use since there's a Qt plugin for that
2968 2011-02-09 21:22:08 <MT`AwAy> er
2969 2011-02-09 21:22:09 <MT`AwAy> Qt lib
2970 2011-02-09 21:22:10 <MT`AwAy> :p
2971 2011-02-09 21:23:02 <genjix> is it a problem that I've started writing a client in Python PySide?
2972 2011-02-09 21:23:18 <genjix> because there's no difference to C++ but it's much cleaner to write code
2973 2011-02-09 21:23:33 <genjix> I'm equally comfortable using C++ though... but dont see why.
2974 2011-02-09 21:23:34 <andrew12> why would it be a problem? diversity is good
2975 2011-02-09 21:24:22 <genjix> andrew12: idk but why are the majority of apps written in C++? It makes me wonder
2976 2011-02-09 21:24:38 <andrew12> genjix: because C++ isn't slow
2977 2011-02-09 21:24:53 <andrew12> python/ruby/java are slow because they're interpreted
2978 2011-02-09 21:24:55 <genjix> slow for development.
2979 2011-02-09 21:25:00 <andrew12> heh
2980 2011-02-09 21:25:01 <andrew12> that's true
2981 2011-02-09 21:25:07 <MT`AwAy> genjix: you know, I wrote a dns server in PHP :D
2982 2011-02-09 21:25:10 <MT`AwAy> (and an email server too)
2983 2011-02-09 21:25:13 <MT`AwAy> (and a ssh server too)
2984 2011-02-09 21:25:16 <x6763> haha
2985 2011-02-09 21:25:21 <andrew12> write a bitcoin cnode
2986 2011-02-09 21:25:27 <andrew12> s/cnode/node/
2987 2011-02-09 21:25:30 <MT`AwAy> :p
2988 2011-02-09 21:25:39 <MT`AwAy> I already implemented part of the bitcoin protocol for my graphs
2989 2011-02-09 21:25:49 <genjix> kewl
2990 2011-02-09 21:25:56 <andrew12> "your" graphs?
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2992 2011-02-09 21:26:02 <MT`AwAy> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin_Map
2993 2011-02-09 21:26:04 <MT`AwAy> those graphs
2994 2011-02-09 21:26:34 <andrew12> kewl
2995 2011-02-09 21:26:58 <MT`AwAy> I'm not sure those are representative of anything
2996 2011-02-09 21:27:10 <jgarzik> <gribble> MTG|     TRADE|                       1000 @ $1
2997 2011-02-09 21:27:10 <jgarzik> <gribble> MTG|     TRADE|                   3987.517 @ $1
2998 2011-02-09 21:28:24 <andrew12> damn
2999 2011-02-09 21:29:37 <genjix> today i took apart my laptop
3000 2011-02-09 21:29:44 <genjix> first time ever did that :)
3001 2011-02-09 21:29:54 <genjix> (screw was missing on re-assembly)
3002 2011-02-09 21:30:02 <dirtyfilthy> there's always one
3003 2011-02-09 21:30:28 <genjix> i will have to resolder 5 contact points on a 1cm square...
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3007 2011-02-09 21:33:58 <andrew12_> vps randomly decided to die
3008 2011-02-09 21:34:23 <MT`AwAy> uh?
3009 2011-02-09 21:34:55 <jav_> the graph on bitcoinmonitor.com is getting crowded... lots of activity the last few hours
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3011 2011-02-09 21:35:13 <andrew12_> ^
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3016 2011-02-09 21:40:15 <andrew12> vps is back :p
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3018 2011-02-09 21:43:27 <luke-jr> genjix: dbus wouldn't really work for server usage, just desktop :p
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3020 2011-02-09 21:43:45 <genjix> yes, that's the intent, no?
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3022 2011-02-09 21:44:21 <luke-jr> genjix: pretty sure the intent is to make something usable by everyone
3023 2011-02-09 21:44:26 <x6763> $1.09
3024 2011-02-09 21:44:35 <x6763> ;;bc,mtgox
3025 2011-02-09 21:44:36 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.09,"low":0.82,"vol":48841,"buy":1.0101,"sell":1.09,"last":1.09}}
3026 2011-02-09 21:44:44 <genjix> ? still don't get you.
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3029 2011-02-09 21:46:13 <luke-jr> genjix: why bother making a wallet that can only be used on a desktop?
3030 2011-02-09 21:46:24 <luke-jr> only on a *nix desktop, at that
3031 2011-02-09 21:46:39 <genjix> dbus doesn't work on windows?
3032 2011-02-09 21:47:03 <luke-jr> not last I checked :P
3033 2011-02-09 21:47:17 <luke-jr> even if it did, servers need wallets too
3034 2011-02-09 21:47:41 <genjix> damn
3035 2011-02-09 21:47:43 <genjix> WINDOWS SUCKS
3036 2011-02-09 21:48:17 <cosurgi> I dunno, haven't used it since 1999
3037 2011-02-09 21:48:22 <genjix> with dbus you can do tons of cool shit like integrate with the desktop
3038 2011-02-09 21:48:27 <genjix> and have notifications .etc
3039 2011-02-09 21:48:31 <genjix> it rules
3040 2011-02-09 21:49:09 <cosurgi> omg, what's going on on mtgox ?
3041 2011-02-09 21:49:16 <cosurgi> 1.09 ??
3042 2011-02-09 21:49:24 <luke-jr> cosurgi: Market's hit $1 too
3043 2011-02-09 21:49:29 <genjix> cosurgi: it was parity earlier :D
3044 2011-02-09 21:49:57 * genjix shame he sold all his bitcoins when it was 6.5 btc for $1
3045 2011-02-09 21:50:24 <x6763> cosurgi: they talked about bitcoin on Security Now a little bit ago
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3047 2011-02-09 21:50:52 <doublec> what is Security Now?
3048 2011-02-09 21:50:53 <cosurgi> also, I think that we started new difficulty a day or two ago, and it will be completed in a week and 2 days. We are getting 3 days ahead of schedule.
3049 2011-02-09 21:50:57 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 265000
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3051 2011-02-09 21:50:58 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 265000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 4 days, 21 hours, 2 minutes, and 38 seconds
3052 2011-02-09 21:51:17 <luke-jr> cosurgi: difficulty and market price are unrelated
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3054 2011-02-09 21:51:50 <cosurgi> hmm.. if more people are interested in bitcoin then: more miners, BTC price goes up. They are related.
3055 2011-02-09 21:52:20 <luke-jr> difficulty doesn't go up immediately when more miners join
3056 2011-02-09 21:52:36 <luke-jr> it goes up every ~2 weeks, regardless
3057 2011-02-09 21:52:45 <cosurgi> sure, it's just a new difficulty which happens faster
3058 2011-02-09 21:53:12 <cosurgi> but it's not two weeks. It's ahead by three days.
3059 2011-02-09 21:53:14 <x6763> doublec: Security Now is a TWiT podcast with Steve Gibson
3060 2011-02-09 21:53:21 <doublec> ok, thanks x6763
3061 2011-02-09 21:53:53 <x6763> he's been doing the podcast for many years now, and has a good sized following among tech/security-minded people
3062 2011-02-09 21:54:11 <cosurgi> it should be two weeks, but all p2p are wrong in making new difficulty, mostly because some people start their miners right after new difficulty is set.
3063 2011-02-09 21:55:08 <tripler> www.live.twit.tv the podcast should be up soon, or live show rerun laterwith steve talking about bitcoin
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3065 2011-02-09 21:56:34 <genjix> anyone know how to enable python indenting on ubuntu?
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3067 2011-02-09 21:57:00 <ducki2p> genjix: in what editor?
3068 2011-02-09 21:57:04 <newsham> btc bid $1.0111 ask $1.079
3069 2011-02-09 21:57:04 <genjix> vim
3070 2011-02-09 21:57:36 <ducki2p> genjix: http://henry.precheur.org/vim/python
3071 2011-02-09 21:57:38 <genjix> vim-python is installed but it doesn't indent after :
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3073 2011-02-09 21:58:11 <ducki2p> oh
3074 2011-02-09 21:58:37 <genjix> heh i needed set autoindent
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3076 2011-02-09 22:00:09 <andrew__> forgot to run irssi in screen
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3082 2011-02-09 22:01:45 <theymos> I wonder if Steve Gibson ever came on IRC.
3083 2011-02-09 22:01:50 <genjix> speaking with sister who's doing life drawing:
3084 2011-02-09 22:01:59 <genjix> - why is his dick so big?
3085 2011-02-09 22:02:08 <x6763> theymos: he seemed to have studied bitcoin a bit...i wouldn't be surprised if he was in here and on the forums
3086 2011-02-09 22:02:14 <genjix> - what? that was the size... that's normal size.
3087 2011-02-09 22:02:25 <genjix> - ... (quickly try to change the subject)
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3091 2011-02-09 22:02:49 <genjix> embarassing or what
3092 2011-02-09 22:02:56 <genjix> :D
3093 2011-02-09 22:02:58 <x6763> lol
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3095 2011-02-09 22:03:31 <theymos> I'm incredibly excited about the Security Now coverage. I've been listening to that show for over a year. Can't wait until the MP3 is posted.
3096 2011-02-09 22:03:56 <genjix> you gonna sing it in the shower?
3097 2011-02-09 22:04:17 <Raulo> These prices are making mining very profitable and difficulty will jump a lot
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3099 2011-02-09 22:04:48 <newsham> its a bitcoin parity party and everyone's invited
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3101 2011-02-09 22:05:46 <andrew12> heh
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3103 2011-02-09 22:06:03 <x6763> it's only a matter of time before Bitcoin is in Wired
3104 2011-02-09 22:06:14 <Raulo> I am monitoring the global hashspeed and it curved upward
3105 2011-02-09 22:06:34 <newsham> for those into PR, today would probably be a good day to bring it up on reddit or slashdot or whatever you kids use these days
3106 2011-02-09 22:06:37 <bitanarchy> Raulo: do you have a chart?
3107 2011-02-09 22:07:04 <Raulo> bitanarchy: can you use gnuplot?
3108 2011-02-09 22:07:06 <newsham> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed.png
3109 2011-02-09 22:07:33 <newsham> or did you mean http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#vztgSzm1g10zm2g25 ?
3110 2011-02-09 22:07:44 <theymos> I only see a slight network hash increase. http://blockexplorer.com/q/nethash
3111 2011-02-09 22:07:48 <bitanarchy> Raulo: I'm not in linux right now
3112 2011-02-09 22:08:20 <bitanarchy> What is better? Buying bitcoins or buying a mining rig?
3113 2011-02-09 22:08:24 <Raulo> In gnuplot one can zoom and it's hard to see on the global picture. But let me try to make PNGs
3114 2011-02-09 22:08:36 <andrew12> bitanarchy: bitcoins. :p
3115 2011-02-09 22:08:37 <newsham> theymos: i think what he is saying is that since $/bitcoin is climbing, you'll see more miners in the future
3116 2011-02-09 22:08:56 <theymos> I agree. I don't see it yet, though.
3117 2011-02-09 22:09:04 <newsham> but it doesnt really matter if more miners come in if $/bitcoin grows faster than difficulty
3118 2011-02-09 22:09:09 <Diablo-D3> slush: you ever figure out if my miner was keeping connections open or not?
3119 2011-02-09 22:09:11 <newsham> it will be harder to get 50btc but not harder to get $
3120 2011-02-09 22:10:35 <Syke> buy a mining rig with bitcoins you already have!
3121 2011-02-09 22:10:36 <newsham> 53 @ 1.09
3122 2011-02-09 22:10:54 <newsham> syke: your initials arent MH by any chance are they?
3123 2011-02-09 22:10:58 andrew12 has quit (Quit: obai)
3124 2011-02-09 22:11:09 <Syke> no, :) who's that?
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3126 2011-02-09 22:11:49 <Raulo> There is a delay between descision of buying mining equipment and going online
3127 2011-02-09 22:12:12 <andrew12> indeed
3128 2011-02-09 22:12:22 <newsham> syke: someone else whose handle is "syke"
3129 2011-02-09 22:12:49 <Raulo> I think we are starting to see hashspeed increase on decisions made after breaking $0.50 but well below $1.00
3130 2011-02-09 22:13:14 <Syke> oh, yeah, not too unique.
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3137 2011-02-09 22:17:13 <doublec> slush's pool is up to 40ghash/s. That's impessive. I wonder what bitpenny is doing.
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3139 2011-02-09 22:18:21 <bitanarchy> If the bitcoin currency is renormalized then we have to give it a new name right?
3140 2011-02-09 22:18:44 <jgarzik> renormalized?
3141 2011-02-09 22:18:53 <bitanarchy> shift the decimal point
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3143 2011-02-09 22:19:42 <jgarzik> bitanarchy: the decimal point is not shifting
3144 2011-02-09 22:19:57 <jgarzik> bitanarchy: who is spreading such silliness?
3145 2011-02-09 22:20:05 <andrew12> bitanarchy is!
3146 2011-02-09 22:20:09 <jgarzik> :)
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3148 2011-02-09 22:21:03 <bitanarchy> jgarzik: We will be using milicoins or microcoins in the future
3149 2011-02-09 22:21:12 <x6763> jgarzik: eventually trades for products/services will commonly be less than 0.01, so instead of people dealing with decimals all the time, it will probably become customary to give such small fractions of a bitcoin a different name and not treat them as fractions
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3151 2011-02-09 22:21:52 <jgarzik> yes
3152 2011-02-09 22:22:00 <jgarzik> but for BTC, the decimal point is not shifting
3153 2011-02-09 22:22:10 <luke-jr> bitanarchy: there is already an alternative for BTC, if you want one
3154 2011-02-09 22:22:29 <bitanarchy> you mean tonal?
3155 2011-02-09 22:22:32 <luke-jr> yes
3156 2011-02-09 22:22:40 <bitanarchy> how does that work?
3157 2011-02-09 22:22:48 <luke-jr> 0.00065536 BTC per TBC
3158 2011-02-09 22:23:11 <bitanarchy> TBC, yes that will get on :-)
3159 2011-02-09 22:24:00 <newsham> and when you get TBC you can use them to buy BTC which you can use to buy dollars which you can use to buy something useful with
3160 2011-02-09 22:24:19 <luke-jr> newsham: TBC to BTC is a mathematical formula, not a currency exchange
3161 2011-02-09 22:24:45 <luke-jr> both BTC and TBC are "automatically backed" by base bitcoin units
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3163 2011-02-09 22:25:00 <luke-jr> that is, they are defined by a multiple of them :p
3164 2011-02-09 22:25:20 <doublec> luke-jr: have you added support for TBC to your version of bitcoin?
3165 2011-02-09 22:25:28 <genjix> im going to invent a new unit called the spesmilo!
3166 2011-02-09 22:25:33 <luke-jr> doublec: I don't use a software product for bitcoin yet
3167 2011-02-09 22:25:52 <doublec> how do you get bitcoins?
3168 2011-02-09 22:26:01 <luke-jr> doublec: I just make RPC calls to interact with my wallet
3169 2011-02-09 22:26:14 <doublec> right, so your software product is bitcoind
3170 2011-02-09 22:26:16 <luke-jr> my version uses base units, as internals should
3171 2011-02-09 22:26:31 <doublec> I thought you might have modifed that to add an RPC interface to get tbc
3172 2011-02-09 22:26:37 <doublec> eg. optional fields in the returned JSON with tbc values
3173 2011-02-09 22:26:47 <luke-jr> doublec: the RPC interface is internals, so should only ever work with base units
3174 2011-02-09 22:26:59 <luke-jr> JSON doesn't support Tonal, unfortunately. :p
3175 2011-02-09 22:27:31 <luke-jr> but inevitably, internals are not the place for human representation of values
3176 2011-02-09 22:27:36 <luke-jr> such things belong in the GUI
3177 2011-02-09 22:28:00 <Raulo> Recent hash speed graph (zoomed): http://bitcoin.atspace.com/speed.png
3178 2011-02-09 22:28:10 <midnightmagic> bit of a spike in value..!
3179 2011-02-09 22:28:16 <luke-jr> doublec: QBitCoin, I am told, should include support for TBC as an option
3180 2011-02-09 22:28:32 <luke-jr> doublec: if it doesn't, I plan to add it as soon as MT`AwAy stops hoarding the code :P
3181 2011-02-09 22:28:51 <MT`AwAy> xD
3182 2011-02-09 22:29:00 <luke-jr> Raulo: that's interesting
3183 2011-02-09 22:29:16 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: can you tell I really really want to help? :P
3184 2011-02-09 22:29:41 <Raulo> There is upward curving going on since about a week ago
3185 2011-02-09 22:29:52 <MT`AwAy> luke-jr: I recently almost crashed testnet with my client
3186 2011-02-09 22:29:52 <MT`AwAy> xD
3187 2011-02-09 22:30:28 <luke-jr> MT`AwAy: sounds fun
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3189 2011-02-09 22:31:57 <theymos> MT`AwAy: What'd you do to almost crash testnet?
3190 2011-02-09 22:32:39 <andrew12> mining probably
3191 2011-02-09 22:32:41 <MT`AwAy> theymos: flood of bad inventories
3192 2011-02-09 22:32:45 <andrew12> heh
3193 2011-02-09 22:32:53 <MT`AwAy> and almost got a block generated
3194 2011-02-09 22:33:05 <MT`AwAy> (didn't notice immediatly the bad stuff)
3195 2011-02-09 22:33:23 <andrew12> i want to start bitcoind and see if the vps dies again
3196 2011-02-09 22:33:51 <andrew12> but the admin of the dedi with my vps went to work, and i'd rather not have the entire box die when he's at work
3197 2011-02-09 22:41:35 <andrew12> heh
3198 2011-02-09 22:41:49 <andrew12> mtgox says $-0 if you've got no dollars in there
3199 2011-02-09 22:42:28 <ArtForz> rounding errors
3200 2011-02-09 22:42:47 <ArtForz> iirc mtgox uses floating point internally (yuck!)
3201 2011-02-09 22:42:54 <andrew12> yeah
3202 2011-02-09 22:43:28 * andrew12 waits patiently for the price to rise to 1.1
3203 2011-02-09 22:48:05 <cosurgi> tcatm: are you planning to include paypalUSD from bitcoin-central, on the charts?
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3205 2011-02-09 22:50:10 <tcatm> cosurgi: sure, does it already support paypal?
3206 2011-02-09 22:50:34 <ArtForz> err... it doesn't
3207 2011-02-09 22:51:50 <tcatm> oh but it supports PGAU
3208 2011-02-09 22:51:54 <tcatm> and davout didn't tell me
3209 2011-02-09 22:52:16 <jgarzik> yeah. new addition.
3210 2011-02-09 22:52:58 <tcatm> added
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3213 2011-02-09 22:56:30 <bitanarchy> How long does a withdrawal of btc from BC take?
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3215 2011-02-09 22:58:41 <cosurgi> tcatm: oh, I'm sorry. I meant paypal from bitcoinmarket.com
3216 2011-02-09 22:59:06 <midnightmagic> well, BTC @ mtgox are worth more than the CAD. that's so awesome.
3217 2011-02-09 22:59:06 <tcatm> cosurgi: it's already there!
3218 2011-02-09 22:59:21 <tcatm> http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/bcmPPUSD.html
3219 2011-02-09 22:59:23 * cosurgi is blind
3220 2011-02-09 22:59:36 <cosurgi> oh, this one!
3221 2011-02-09 22:59:38 <cosurgi> thanks!
3222 2011-02-09 22:59:53 <andrew12> so many currencies
3223 2011-02-09 23:00:17 <bitanarchy> How long does a withdrawal of btc from bitcoin-central take? The transaction should show up immediately right?
3224 2011-02-09 23:00:46 <midnightmagic> just hang tight for a bit and let it churn.
3225 2011-02-09 23:01:21 <cosurgi> uh. now that you added PGAU, those graphs don't fit nicely on my screen anymore :>
3226 2011-02-09 23:01:34 <cosurgi> a vertical 1024x1280 display.
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3230 2011-02-09 23:04:03 <tcatm> cosurgi: I'm already working on a new, more compact layout
3231 2011-02-09 23:05:10 <jgarzik> <gribble> BC |     TRADE| PGAU               28.5712 @ $0.021
3232 2011-02-09 23:05:12 <jgarzik> nice!
3233 2011-02-09 23:05:22 * jgarzik is happy to see PGAU moving
3234 2011-02-09 23:05:49 <bitanarchy> I think it is not so great ;-)
3235 2011-02-09 23:05:53 <cosurgi> tcatm: would be enough if you just reduced padding around each graph
3236 2011-02-09 23:06:20 <tcatm> cosurgi: can you make a screenshot of how it looks now?
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3238 2011-02-09 23:06:59 <cosurgi> sure, hold on..
3239 2011-02-09 23:07:34 <nanotube> ;;calc 0.021 * 44
3240 2011-02-09 23:07:35 <gribble> 0.021 * 44 = 0.924
3241 2011-02-09 23:07:42 <nanotube> mm decent price
3242 2011-02-09 23:09:16 <cosurgi> tcatm: https://sites.google.com/site/cosurgi/home/btchart.png
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3244 2011-02-09 23:09:22 <cosurgi> sorry it took so long
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3246 2011-02-09 23:10:23 <cosurgi> tcatm: it's fullscreen on vertical screen.
3247 2011-02-09 23:11:08 <cosurgi> tcatm: if you reduced padding horizontally a little, the last one might just fit in.
3248 2011-02-09 23:11:19 <cosurgi> if you reduced padding vertically a third row will nicely fit in.
3249 2011-02-09 23:13:01 <tcatm> cosurgi: refresh
3250 2011-02-09 23:13:48 <cosurgi> tcatm: wow, great :)
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3252 2011-02-09 23:15:00 <tcatm> mhm I still need to compact the market navitems
3253 2011-02-09 23:15:25 <cosurgi> tcatm: yes, a bit. Then a third row would fit without problems.
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3256 2011-02-09 23:17:21 <cosurgi> https://sites.google.com/site/cosurgi/home/btchart2.png
3257 2011-02-09 23:17:34 <rapacity> how do I compile the diablo miner?
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3261 2011-02-09 23:19:03 <Syke> do you really want to?
3262 2011-02-09 23:21:07 <rapacity> yeah
3263 2011-02-09 23:22:36 <tcatm> cosurgi: btw, disable adblock ;)
3264 2011-02-09 23:23:24 <cosurgi> tcatm: oh, right.
3265 2011-02-09 23:23:26 <cosurgi> :)
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3267 2011-02-09 23:23:49 <tcatm> it's cheaper than donating bitcoins
3268 2011-02-09 23:23:51 <cosurgi> hmm I have only floshblock
3269 2011-02-09 23:24:40 <cosurgi> hmm, but that's a 10 year old debian box, upgraded to testing. 10 years ago there was no adblock. I think I modified /etc/hosts about 7 years ago
3270 2011-02-09 23:24:58 * cosurgi checks
3271 2011-02-09 23:25:20 <cosurgi> correct.
3272 2011-02-09 23:25:28 <cosurgi> tcatm: which host do you want me to enable?
3273 2011-02-09 23:25:37 <cosurgi> I have 1500 blocked.
3274 2011-02-09 23:26:20 <tcatm> don't know what googles uses but it's okay. I don't want to slow down your box
3275 2011-02-09 23:27:17 <cosurgi> oh, don't worry the hardware is quite recent :)
3276 2011-02-09 23:27:34 <cosurgi> it's just that debian is so good that it doesn't need reainstalling, only upgrades
3277 2011-02-09 23:27:48 <tcatm> hehe true
3278 2011-02-09 23:28:09 <cosurgi> the only drawback, compared to other machines, with more fresh installs is that I have artifacts from 10 years ago, like this one
3279 2011-02-09 23:28:30 <cosurgi> and never bother to clean it up
3280 2011-02-09 23:28:42 <tcatm> well it's probably a good thing
3281 2011-02-09 23:29:38 <tcatm> this is the most compact version I can do without breaking layout
3282 2011-02-09 23:30:18 <cosurgi> wow.
3283 2011-02-09 23:30:23 <cosurgi> it's really compact
3284 2011-02-09 23:30:35 <cosurgi> third row will fit no problems.
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3286 2011-02-09 23:30:51 <tcatm> I didn't expect there to be so many exchanges
3287 2011-02-09 23:30:51 <cosurgi> we just need more trade site to appear :)
3288 2011-02-09 23:31:17 <tcatm> When I wrote bitcoincharts there was mtgox, bitcoinmarket and btcexRUB
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3297 2011-02-09 23:40:51 <jgarzik> dwdollar: wb
3298 2011-02-09 23:41:05 <jgarzik> dwdollar: when is BCMv2 moving over to a DNS named URL?  :)
3299 2011-02-09 23:41:10 <dwdollar> danke
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3301 2011-02-09 23:41:19 <dwdollar> pretty soon now
3302 2011-02-09 23:41:43 <dwdollar> I am messing with the code, trying to make it super easy to add currency pairs
3303 2011-02-09 23:42:11 <dwdollar> anybody who wants to trade is welcome
3304 2011-02-09 23:42:15 <dwdollar> it's open
3305 2011-02-09 23:42:45 <jgarzik> dwdollar: feels sorta unofficial on a naked IP address, so I didn't yet want to add it to bitcoinwatch
3306 2011-02-09 23:44:19 <dwdollar> Yeah, I'm keeping it unoffical for right now.  Still need to write something to switch the accounts over.
3307 2011-02-09 23:44:24 <dwdollar> too
3308 2011-02-09 23:46:05 * jgarzik is looking forward to it.  I hope time does not pass BCMv2 by, though.
3309 2011-02-09 23:47:16 <tcatm> dwdollar: Will the trade-history/orderbook API change?
3310 2011-02-09 23:47:49 <slush> is really 2Mbit/s 15TB monthly?
3311 2011-02-09 23:48:15 <jgarzik> dwdollar: trading in lots of 100 BTC is a steeper requirement these days
3312 2011-02-09 23:48:18 <slush> looks like
3313 2011-02-09 23:48:21 <slush> then I have huge problem
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3315 2011-02-09 23:48:50 <slush> Linode - additional 10TB = $1000/month
3316 2011-02-09 23:49:18 <x6763> wow
3317 2011-02-09 23:49:42 <tcatm> 2Mbit/s * 30 days = 648 Gbyte
3318 2011-02-09 23:49:45 <ArtForz> errr. no
3319 2011-02-09 23:49:46 <ArtForz> yes
3320 2011-02-09 23:49:52 <ArtForz> 648GB
3321 2011-02-09 23:50:18 <slush> oh
3322 2011-02-09 23:50:22 <x6763> that looks better
3323 2011-02-09 23:50:27 <slush> I multiplied it *24
3324 2011-02-09 23:50:29 <x6763> cheaper
3325 2011-02-09 23:50:32 <ArtForz> 15TB/mo would be 46.3Mbit/s
3326 2011-02-09 23:50:34 <dwdollar> tcatm:  Yeah, there are big changes, but shouldn't be too hard to fix?
3327 2011-02-09 23:51:13 * slush swallowed
3328 2011-02-09 23:51:16 <slush> looks better
3329 2011-02-09 23:51:23 <dwdollar> jgarzik:  There won't be a limit for new site.  Just a minimum fee.
3330 2011-02-09 23:51:33 <slush> I calculated 2 * 3600 * 24 * 720
3331 2011-02-09 23:51:33 <dwdollar> which is really small
3332 2011-02-09 23:51:38 <jgarzik> dwdollar: nice
3333 2011-02-09 23:51:41 <tcatm> dwdollar: Is it documented somewhere? If possible I prefer URLs I can poll for full transactions history (or at least 2..3 days)
3334 2011-02-09 23:52:23 <tcatm> slush: aptitude install qalculate and type in: 2Mbit/s * 30days to bytes
3335 2011-02-09 23:52:35 <dwdollar> https://184.106.171.80/market/tools/ is what I have so far
3336 2011-02-09 23:52:35 <slush> hehe
3337 2011-02-09 23:53:02 <tcatm> also, will the old bcm disappear?
3338 2011-02-09 23:54:01 <doublec> tcatm: or enter that into google and it'll give the answer too
3339 2011-02-09 23:54:21 <dwdollar> tcatm:  Eventually, I'd like it too.  The new site will encompass everything the old one had plus more.
3340 2011-02-09 23:54:26 <noagendamarket> internet wayback machine ?
3341 2011-02-09 23:55:01 <tcatm> dwdollar: Are those CSVs updated on every trade?
3342 2011-02-09 23:57:36 <dwdollar> tcatm:  All data is updated every 5 minutes right now.
3343 2011-02-09 23:57:44 <dwdollar> except for the stream...
3344 2011-02-09 23:58:04 <tcatm> ok that should be realtime enough
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3346 2011-02-09 23:59:27 <cosurgi> ok, I need to get some sleep. goodnight