1 2011-02-11 00:00:02 <Guest77604> or: where's the doc for that
2 2011-02-11 00:00:14 <lfm> luke i thot you agreed we cant read everything
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4 2011-02-11 00:00:20 <luke-jr> lfm: http://www.lulu.com/product/file-download/tonal-system/10991091
5 2011-02-11 00:00:31 <OneFixt> Hopefully I will solve luke-jr's issue, I want him to be just as happy as the rest of you guys =
6 2011-02-11 00:00:33 <OneFixt> =)
7 2011-02-11 00:00:34 <luke-jr> lfm: yep, but you can't complain about everything either! :P
8 2011-02-11 00:00:44 <lfm> luke-jr: sure I can
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11 2011-02-11 00:00:54 <luke-jr> lfm: not if I cut off your fingers.
12 2011-02-11 00:01:08 <lfm> ill type ith stubs
13 2011-02-11 00:01:11 <luke-jr> except for EEG :/
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15 2011-02-11 00:01:50 <midnightmagic> GoGi2: -daemon puts it into the background, -server is for I believe the GUI to get it to accept command-line and JSON RPC requests. I think -server is implicit in the bitcoind standalone.
16 2011-02-11 00:02:01 <lfm> luke-jr: like the black night part of monty python and the holy grail
17 2011-02-11 00:02:07 <luke-jr> lfm: yeah, but you won't care to complain about tonal then
18 2011-02-11 00:02:16 <luke-jr> you'll be complaining about the PITA of not having fingers
19 2011-02-11 00:02:46 <doublec> Guest77604: The field for 'new address' is just for you to put a label to remind you why you created the address
20 2011-02-11 00:02:54 <doublec> Guest77604: it's not for an email or physical address
21 2011-02-11 00:02:55 <lfm> none shall pass, I can complain about both
22 2011-02-11 00:03:10 <bk128> is bitcoingadgets.com legit?
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24 2011-02-11 00:03:34 <Guest77604> there's a "name" field, is this the "made up label" ? and there's an "address" field, is this a BC address?
25 2011-02-11 00:03:39 <midnightmagic> bk128: probably. buy something and find out.
26 2011-02-11 00:04:07 <slush> doubles: I solve network issues and retransmits yesterday and it improved overall performance a lot
27 2011-02-11 00:04:13 <midnightmagic> Guest77604: the long hex-looking string is the address.
28 2011-02-11 00:04:32 <bk128> !difficulty
29 2011-02-11 00:04:34 <Guest77604> ok, so that's a BC address
30 2011-02-11 00:04:41 <GoGi2> what is an account and an address?
31 2011-02-11 00:04:48 <lfm> Guest77604: ya those are bitcoin addresses . other people can send you money to those addresses
32 2011-02-11 00:04:56 <midnightmagic> an account is a human-readable name that you can use to look addresses up.
33 2011-02-11 00:05:03 <bk128> what are the commands for the bot?
34 2011-02-11 00:05:08 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,stats
35 2011-02-11 00:05:10 <gribble> Current Blocks: 107351 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 1512 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 9 hours, 10 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32606.54696740
36 2011-02-11 00:05:17 <bk128> thanks
37 2011-02-11 00:05:26 <doublec> slush: I'm on a slow net too so that probably doesn't help
38 2011-02-11 00:05:29 <slush> jgarzik: I'm busy now, but from first look, I quite like your solution
39 2011-02-11 00:05:30 <GoGi2> so I need to create an account
40 2011-02-11 00:05:30 <midnightmagic> jesus lookit the new difficulty estimate.
41 2011-02-11 00:05:45 <slush> jgarzik: I still prefer some standard protocol, but this is enough
42 2011-02-11 00:05:51 <bk128> even the cuda farms are going to be slow soon
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44 2011-02-11 00:06:07 <slush> doublec: it helped, I'm sure
45 2011-02-11 00:06:08 <genjix> what are the colours of liberty?
46 2011-02-11 00:06:13 <andrew12> bitpenny site is back
47 2011-02-11 00:06:13 <genjix> black and ?
48 2011-02-11 00:06:16 <bk128> where's the calculator that tells you how long it will take for a 50 % chance to generate?
49 2011-02-11 00:06:29 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,calc 2000
50 2011-02-11 00:06:29 <jgarzik> slush: I'm open to suggestions, as long as the data is not going binary->ASCII->binary for each client
51 2011-02-11 00:06:31 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 2000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 1 year, 40 weeks, 1 day, 4 hours, 20 minutes, and 22 seconds
52 2011-02-11 00:06:38 <bk128> AHAHAAHAH
53 2011-02-11 00:06:52 <lfm> bk128: ya the cuda gpus are slow now, the opencl ati gpus are the fastest, at least the high end ones
54 2011-02-11 00:06:55 <bk128> I remember when it was a few hours
55 2011-02-11 00:07:05 <midnightmagic> bk128: give it in SI-style kilohashes per second. that's base-10 kilohashes, not the fake 2^x ones.
56 2011-02-11 00:07:11 <andrew12> ;;bc,calcd 2000 1
57 2011-02-11 00:07:12 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 2000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 35 minutes and 47 seconds
58 2011-02-11 00:07:21 <bk128> how many khash/sec are the opencl ones getting?
59 2011-02-11 00:07:32 <midnightmagic> bk128: depends on the card. what card are you talking about?
60 2011-02-11 00:07:42 <lfm> 5970
61 2011-02-11 00:07:52 <midnightmagic> overclocked or stock?
62 2011-02-11 00:07:57 <lfm> stock
63 2011-02-11 00:08:00 <midnightmagic> let's assume stock.
64 2011-02-11 00:08:13 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,calc 520000
65 2011-02-11 00:08:14 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 520000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 2 days, 11 hours, 38 minutes, and 50 seconds
66 2011-02-11 00:08:22 <bk128> I have a ati hd 3800 if that'll even work with the opencl
67 2011-02-11 00:08:24 <midnightmagic> so that would be just one 5970.
68 2011-02-11 00:08:24 <ArtForz> 520? srsly?
69 2011-02-11 00:08:33 <slush> jgarzik: I though about thrift for my pool, but it looks too heavy for bitcoind
70 2011-02-11 00:08:42 <lfm> blknope you need at least 4xxx
71 2011-02-11 00:08:45 <midnightmagic> 260M/sec stock with m0mchil's miner.
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73 2011-02-11 00:08:54 <midnightmagic> even with your donated core.
74 2011-02-11 00:08:59 <lfm> bk128: nope you need at least 4xxx
75 2011-02-11 00:09:01 <ArtForz> high -f ?
76 2011-02-11 00:09:19 <slush> jgarzik: I'm quite late with my implementation, so I still didn't changed anything on protocol level. Still playing with pool internals
77 2011-02-11 00:09:30 <midnightmagic> beats me. I could test. what's a good -f value, i have a stock 5970 idling at the moment.
78 2011-02-11 00:09:40 <ArtForz> lowish
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80 2011-02-11 00:09:52 <ArtForz> 5 or lower, but then desktop is laggy like hell
81 2011-02-11 00:09:57 <midnightmagic> ok, let's see..
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84 2011-02-11 00:10:35 <ArtForz> stock 5970 should be able to get 2*270 pretty easily
85 2011-02-11 00:10:42 <midnightmagic> -f 4 increases by about 5mhash/sec.
86 2011-02-11 00:10:51 <xelister> 530 is standard on non oc 5970
87 2011-02-11 00:10:55 <midnightmagic> right now -f 4 .. no, slightly higher. 273Mhash/sec.
88 2011-02-11 00:11:00 <GoGi2> when I start bitcoind the first time will I have an account?
89 2011-02-11 00:11:02 <midnightmagic> oo.. really stable.
90 2011-02-11 00:11:04 <xelister> ~523 with lite desktop X use
91 2011-02-11 00:11:24 <bk128> it's definitely not worth trying to generate with a normal computer anymore
92 2011-02-11 00:11:30 <xelister> GoGi2: yes, you yourself are "creating" and "hosting" your 'account'
93 2011-02-11 00:11:44 <GoGi2> but what command do I use to create an account?
94 2011-02-11 00:11:46 <gavinandresen> GoGi2: yes, your "account" is really your wallet.dat file
95 2011-02-11 00:11:54 <lfm> GoGi2: you will have as many account and addresses as you want to create and then some
96 2011-02-11 00:11:57 <GoGi2> is there a bitcoind documentation?
97 2011-02-11 00:12:05 <xelister> GoGi2: well you have a wallet, to create a new address for receiving payments there is a big button in GUI
98 2011-02-11 00:13:19 <gavinandresen> GoGi2: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Running_Bitcoin ... is probably the right place to start
99 2011-02-11 00:13:34 <lfm> GoGi2: cant you run the gui? it might be easier to learn
100 2011-02-11 00:14:27 <GoGi2> hm no because wxGTK does not compile
101 2011-02-11 00:14:37 <GoGi2> i think I created an account
102 2011-02-11 00:14:48 <GoGi2> is there a command to list all accounts?
103 2011-02-11 00:14:49 <xelister> GoGi2: do bitcoind help
104 2011-02-11 00:15:15 <slush> whoever send me donation now (-30 min), thank you!
105 2011-02-11 00:15:23 <lfm> GoGi2: get a binary of bitcoin, it already has wx widget linked in?
106 2011-02-11 00:15:50 <Syke> GoGi2, you shouldn't need to compile. the bitcoin package includes a executable
107 2011-02-11 00:16:33 <bk128> wow, my core2 duo is only getting 810khash/s
108 2011-02-11 00:16:46 <bk128> ;;bc,calc 810
109 2011-02-11 00:16:46 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 810 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 4 years, 19 weeks, 2 days, 12 hours, 11 minutes, and 46 seconds
110 2011-02-11 00:16:50 <bk128> bahaha
111 2011-02-11 00:17:03 <Syke> yeah, the days of cpu mining are gone
112 2011-02-11 00:17:09 <lfm> blk1thats kinda low, it should be twice that I think
113 2011-02-11 00:17:28 <lfm> bk128: 1thats kinda low, it should be twice that I think
114 2011-02-11 00:17:46 <bk128> on a mac. with 2 vm's running
115 2011-02-11 00:18:28 <lfm> blk1oh ok ya thats prolly right then
116 2011-02-11 00:18:44 <jgarzik> slush: I hope we can keep same protocol for miner->pool and miner->bitcoind
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118 2011-02-11 00:18:53 <jgarzik> slush: anything else would create complications
119 2011-02-11 00:19:35 <lfm> jgarzik: I suspect some miners ignore target and use the encoded target in the block header
120 2011-02-11 00:19:43 <luke-jr> bk128: CPUs suck
121 2011-02-11 00:19:55 * genjix keeps suspecting everybody to be satoshi
122 2011-02-11 00:20:11 <bk128> I'm surprised no one's gotten an fpga hashing faster than a gpu
123 2011-02-11 00:20:12 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 265000
124 2011-02-11 00:20:12 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 265000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 4 days, 21 hours, 2 minutes, and 38 seconds
125 2011-02-11 00:20:17 <luke-jr> bk128: ^^^ Radeon 5850
126 2011-02-11 00:20:24 <genjix> ;;bc,help
127 2011-02-11 00:20:24 <gribble> Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,labs, Alias bc,lbs, Alias bc,markets, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,poolstats, Alias bc,prob, Alias bc,stats, Alias bc,timetonext, Alias bc,totalbc, and Alias bc,wiki
128 2011-02-11 00:20:25 <luke-jr> bk128: ArtForz has some FPGA-like thing
129 2011-02-11 00:20:27 <slush> jgarzik: agree. I just though about pool, I don't have skills to implement it also into bitcoind. Cooperation is welcome. As I said, I don't see any problem with your suggested solution
130 2011-02-11 00:20:43 <bk128> I thought it didnt get as much as a gpu though
131 2011-02-11 00:20:49 <bk128> we need to fab a bitcoin generating ASIC
132 2011-02-11 00:20:57 <slush> jgarzik: next question is internal payload of 'getwork' itself
133 2011-02-11 00:21:04 <lfm> bk128: hard for even fpga to compete with the power of gpus
134 2011-02-11 00:21:06 <presence> the GPU is an asic :D
135 2011-02-11 00:22:12 <jgarzik> slush: I was going to replicate JSON-RPC 'getwork' data 1:1 (although in binary, not hex-encoded ASCII) to ensure maximum compatibility with existing miners, and ease of implementation within bitcoind
136 2011-02-11 00:22:44 <jgarzik> slush: midstate/data/hash1/target, in binary form
137 2011-02-11 00:23:04 <slush> jgarzik: But I don't like the extranonce rotating stuff
138 2011-02-11 00:23:05 <GoGi2> what are blocks exactly for?
139 2011-02-11 00:23:19 <slush> jgarzik: this kills the idea of ntime changes on miner side
140 2011-02-11 00:23:35 <luke-jr> GoGi2: blocks store the transaction data
141 2011-02-11 00:23:40 <ArtForz> err... why pass midstate?
142 2011-02-11 00:23:47 <lfm> gogi kinda for timestamps to put things is order before and after
143 2011-02-11 00:23:48 <RBecker> ;;bc,calc 6525
144 2011-02-11 00:23:49 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 6525 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 28 weeks, 2 days, 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 50 seconds
145 2011-02-11 00:23:52 <jgarzik> slush: ? nothing changes operationally from JSON-RPC 'getwork'
146 2011-02-11 00:24:04 <luke-jr> ArtForz: more like "why pass data/hash1"?
147 2011-02-11 00:24:04 <slush> jgarzik: I have implemented simple patch of bitcoind which give me a possibility to set custom extranonce for worker
148 2011-02-11 00:24:09 <ArtForz> or that
149 2011-02-11 00:24:11 <jgarzik> ArtForz: or hash1
150 2011-02-11 00:24:19 <GoGi2> luke-jr: so you need a block for every transaction?
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152 2011-02-11 00:24:26 <slush> jgarzik: yes, that does not mean getwork is broken now :)
153 2011-02-11 00:24:29 <luke-jr> GoGi2: no, one block every 10 minutes or so
154 2011-02-11 00:24:33 <slush> isn't broken now
155 2011-02-11 00:24:34 <jgarzik> ArtForz: you need 'data' because of VIA situations
156 2011-02-11 00:24:47 <ArtForz> ?
157 2011-02-11 00:24:58 <lfm> GoGi2: no, one block every 10 min or so with as many txn as there is
158 2011-02-11 00:25:02 <jgarzik> ArtForz: sha state isn't exposed in VIA padlock
159 2011-02-11 00:25:04 <GoGi2> luke-jr: and if there is no block?
160 2011-02-11 00:25:08 <luke-jr> GoGi2: transactions are only valid when they're part of a block, and only confirmed once there's 6 blocks stacked on top of that block
161 2011-02-11 00:25:09 <ArtForz> jgarzik: I disagree
162 2011-02-11 00:25:13 <luke-jr> GoGi2: there is.
163 2011-02-11 00:25:42 <lfm> GoGi2: there will be one coming
164 2011-02-11 00:26:03 <ArtForz> you can trick vias sha256 engine into continuing hashes
165 2011-02-11 00:26:50 <lfm> jgarzik: and nano cpu from via makes internal partial block hashing documented and supported
166 2011-02-11 00:26:56 <jgarzik> slush: not sure what you mean. 'getwork' submissions go through standard ProcessBlock() function that processes and validates all bitcoin blocks
167 2011-02-11 00:27:09 <ArtForz> lfm: yep
168 2011-02-11 00:27:13 <jgarzik> ArtForz, lfm: neat
169 2011-02-11 00:27:47 <slush> I'm talking about asking for new work. THere is internal counter of extranonce, which is resetting after some condition is filled
170 2011-02-11 00:28:02 <slush> I forgot exact formula now
171 2011-02-11 00:28:11 <jgarzik> yes
172 2011-02-11 00:28:45 <GoGi2> ok
173 2011-02-11 00:28:50 <RBecker> ;;bc,calc 1
174 2011-02-11 00:28:51 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 3540 years, 37 weeks, 2 days, 14 hours, 54 minutes, and 20 seconds
175 2011-02-11 00:28:51 <slush> jgarzik: but when any miner ask for getwork and move ntime inside job for himself, he can, with some probability, hit the same combination of ntime / extranonce, which bitcoin give to another user!
176 2011-02-11 00:29:09 <GoGi2> what do these commands do? getaccountaddress getaddressesbyaccount
177 2011-02-11 00:29:30 <slush> jgarzik: this was big issue when I started the pool and found that pool performance is lower than it should be. We spent with m0mchil hours than we discover this
178 2011-02-11 00:29:37 <lfm> slush spozed to use different reward address for every user
179 2011-02-11 00:29:43 <doublec> GoGi2: they return addresses associated with named accounts
180 2011-02-11 00:30:05 <GoGi2> the difference being?
181 2011-02-11 00:30:11 <slush> lfm: yes, but current getwork is broken in this way
182 2011-02-11 00:30:12 <doublec> GoGi2: so your webapp can create addresses specific for certain users
183 2011-02-11 00:30:20 <slush> because moving ntime in miner is allowed technique
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185 2011-02-11 00:30:25 <doublec> GoGi2: and you can retrieve them, create new ones, etc
186 2011-02-11 00:30:51 <jgarzik> slush: this is rather fundamental to bitcoin blocks... you only have so much variability
187 2011-02-11 00:30:57 <lfm> slush: I thot bitcoind did use different txn addres for every user
188 2011-02-11 00:31:00 <luke-jr> is it just me, or do all addresses begin with 1 ?
189 2011-02-11 00:31:02 <CIA-98> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * r47908a8 / (rpc.cpp serialize.h): Visual C++ compatibility fixes - http://bit.ly/hK9vs8
190 2011-02-11 00:31:24 <GoGi2> how can I show all accounts?
191 2011-02-11 00:31:25 <doublec> I've never used accounts so that's about all I know of them
192 2011-02-11 00:31:38 <ArtForz> luke-jr: version byte is 00, which is base58 encoded as 1...
193 2011-02-11 00:31:38 <GoGi2> doublec: you do not need accounts?
194 2011-02-11 00:31:40 <slush> lfm: for every user or for every getwork?
195 2011-02-11 00:31:40 <jgarzik> slush: bitcoind's extranonce algorithm was written for cooperating, non-pool miners. You're welcome to create a different algorithm for your pool, as long as it validates through ProcessBlock() you're fine.
196 2011-02-11 00:31:42 <gavinandresen> GoGi2: listaccounts in version 0.3.20
197 2011-02-11 00:31:47 <midnightmagic> GoGi2: I think you might have to be running the git version to get an easy list of all accounts.
198 2011-02-11 00:31:52 <lfm> slush: every detwork
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201 2011-02-11 00:32:08 <GoGi2> and where do generated coins go?
202 2011-02-11 00:32:08 <slush> jgarzik: but it is not related to pool. It is related to protocol and miner itself
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204 2011-02-11 00:32:23 <luke-jr> GoGi2: wherever the block puts them
205 2011-02-11 00:32:25 <slush> pool was just the first entity who server for hundreds of workers at same time
206 2011-02-11 00:32:39 <jgarzik> slush: it's not related to the protocol at all...
207 2011-02-11 00:32:59 <slush> jgarzik: I like to use standard interface everywhere, I'm just talking about that current solution is not good
208 2011-02-11 00:33:05 <GoGi2> luke-jr: ?
209 2011-02-11 00:33:12 <jgarzik> slush: it's just the algorithm satoshi chose for bitcoind. you can choose another, and still create validate blocks for your pool users.
210 2011-02-11 00:33:15 <lfm> or use an extranonce to make unique getworks
211 2011-02-11 00:33:26 <luke-jr> GoGi2: the block generator can put Generation+Fees anywhere it wants
212 2011-02-11 00:33:28 <jgarzik> you can create unique getworks, with extra overhead
213 2011-02-11 00:33:36 <slush> jgarzik: how so? When you connect two miners, which implements ntime changes to same bitcoind , they will solve same jobs time to time
214 2011-02-11 00:34:08 <lfm> slush every getwork should have unique txn tree hash
215 2011-02-11 00:34:12 <GoGi2> luke-jr: yes but how is it specified?
216 2011-02-11 00:34:14 <luke-jr> slush: give everyone a slightly different timestamp :P
217 2011-02-11 00:34:23 <slush> lfm: depends how you define 'unique'
218 2011-02-11 00:34:24 <luke-jr> GoGi2: it's just included in the block
219 2011-02-11 00:34:31 <luke-jr> like any other tx
220 2011-02-11 00:34:36 <slush> lfm: you are right - getwork never give same job twice
221 2011-02-11 00:34:44 <GoGi2> luke-jr: no I mean there seems to be only one command to turn generation on or off
222 2011-02-11 00:34:51 <slush> lfm: but when miner change ntime, it can solve same job as another miner have, too
223 2011-02-11 00:34:57 <luke-jr> GoGi2: yes
224 2011-02-11 00:35:04 <ArtForz> which simply means getwork impl is stupid
225 2011-02-11 00:35:11 <GoGi2> luke-jr: but how do I tell it where to put the generated coins?
226 2011-02-11 00:35:16 <slush> luke-jr: this is not current problem. We solved it with m0mchil by removing ntime changes in his miner
227 2011-02-11 00:35:20 <lfm> slush if merkle hashes are always different then it wont be a duplicate
228 2011-02-11 00:35:22 <luke-jr> GoGi2: your client automatically generates an address for that purpose
229 2011-02-11 00:35:29 <ArtForz> yep
230 2011-02-11 00:35:38 <GoGi2> luke-jr: okay
231 2011-02-11 00:35:39 <slush> lfm: merkle rotates
232 2011-02-11 00:35:51 <lfm> what?
233 2011-02-11 00:35:54 <luke-jr> GoGi2: but CPU mining is worthless now, don't bother :p
234 2011-02-11 00:35:58 <slush> lfm: but merkle + ntime is unique
235 2011-02-11 00:35:58 <ArtForz> slush: are you arguing how it works or how it should work?
236 2011-02-11 00:36:08 <ArtForz> merkle alone should be unique
237 2011-02-11 00:36:11 <GoGi2> luke-jr: but if noone generates blocks the system will not work?
238 2011-02-11 00:36:12 <luke-jr> GoGi2: unless you have a high-end CPU, or don't pay electricity
239 2011-02-11 00:36:14 <jgarzik> yes
240 2011-02-11 00:36:17 <luke-jr> GoGi2: correct
241 2011-02-11 00:36:29 <slush> ArtForz: every getwork request generate unique merkle hash. But extranonce INSIDE is rotating
242 2011-02-11 00:36:33 <lfm> slush so you reuse merkles after a while? thats the problem
243 2011-02-11 00:36:38 <ArtForz> so it's not unique
244 2011-02-11 00:36:39 <slush> lfm: no
245 2011-02-11 00:36:49 <ArtForz> wtf?
246 2011-02-11 00:36:53 <GoGi2> luke-jr: so the logical step is to turn generation ON?
247 2011-02-11 00:37:04 <slush> lfm: this problem is not related to pool in any way. I didn't touched bitcoind
248 2011-02-11 00:37:12 <luke-jr> GoGi2: if you don't pay for electricity, or have a very high end CPU
249 2011-02-11 00:37:15 <ArtForz> if merkle is unique, there can NOT be duplicate work between miners
250 2011-02-11 00:37:31 <slush> ArtForz: what is inside merkle hash? Which components?
251 2011-02-11 00:37:39 <slush> transactions, prevhash, extranonce
252 2011-02-11 00:37:43 <slush> what next?
253 2011-02-11 00:37:54 <lfm> bitcoind does then, yes it is a problem, or make it circulate much slower, larger time till reuse
254 2011-02-11 00:37:56 <ArtForz> extranonce and pubkey
255 2011-02-11 00:38:06 <slush> well
256 2011-02-11 00:38:13 <gavinandresen> GoGi2: generated coins are credited to the "" account
257 2011-02-11 00:38:15 <ArtForz> which is plenty, just rotate between pubkeys
258 2011-02-11 00:38:25 <slush> why should be merkle hash different, when extranonce is rotated back ?
259 2011-02-11 00:38:47 <slush> ArtForz: but pubkey isn't changing in every getwork, right?
260 2011-02-11 00:38:48 <ArtForz> how would you get to extranonce rotating back?
261 2011-02-11 00:39:00 <ArtForz> no, but in my impl it's unique per miner
262 2011-02-11 00:39:00 <slush> ArtForz: it is algorithm which is currently inside bitcoind
263 2011-02-11 00:39:08 <ArtForz> ... so?
264 2011-02-11 00:39:14 <slush> so... it is rotating
265 2011-02-11 00:39:24 <ArtForz> err, huh?
266 2011-02-11 00:39:25 <lfm> slush yes then bitcoind should be fixed
267 2011-02-11 00:39:30 <slush> exactly!
268 2011-02-11 00:39:44 <slush> that's what I'm talking about
269 2011-02-11 00:39:45 <lfm> but protocol is ok
270 2011-02-11 00:39:48 <ArtForz> yes, getwork as it currently works is more-or-less broken
271 2011-02-11 00:39:52 <ArtForz> yep
272 2011-02-11 00:40:05 <ArtForz> protocol is ok, bitcoind internal implementation, not so much
273 2011-02-11 00:40:18 <slush> lfm: ok, json itself is not broken, of course
274 2011-02-11 00:40:21 <ArtForz> (well, if you ignore wasting shitloads of bandwidth)
275 2011-02-11 00:40:21 <andrew12> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=how+many+licks+does+it+take+to+get+to+the+center+of+a+tootsie+pop%3F
276 2011-02-11 00:40:22 <jgarzik> which is what I said
277 2011-02-11 00:40:26 <gavinandresen> Yeah! Somebody should fix it!
278 2011-02-11 00:40:27 <jgarzik> nothing to do with protocol
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280 2011-02-11 00:40:36 <slush> lfm: but when miner follow 'rules' for implementating getwork, things may be broken
281 2011-02-11 00:40:47 <jgarzik> it's the internal implementation generating those few fields
282 2011-02-11 00:40:49 <autodidakto> Hi guys. About the bitcoin mac application: Does it auto-update?
283 2011-02-11 00:40:51 <lfm> slush getwork design might be better but its not really what is broken
284 2011-02-11 00:40:59 <gavinandresen> autodidakto: nope
285 2011-02-11 00:41:00 <jgarzik> exactly
286 2011-02-11 00:41:18 <autodidakto> gavinandresen, thanks. i didnt think so. maybe i should start contributing to that app. Needs a lot of work :)
287 2011-02-11 00:41:30 <gavinandresen> autodidakto: yes, please!
288 2011-02-11 00:41:34 <lfm> you can do current getwork and always give out unique extranonce
289 2011-02-11 00:42:00 <autodidakto> gavinandresen, i forget. is the project on github? or?
290 2011-02-11 00:42:06 <ArtForz> getwork should not be producing headers for different miners that only differ in ntime
291 2011-02-11 00:42:12 <slush> ok, I call 'protocol' all the thing which I see from side of miner/pool. Sorry. But that does not change the fact that it is broken :)
292 2011-02-11 00:42:16 <gavinandresen> autodidakto: yes, bitcoin/bitcoin on github
293 2011-02-11 00:42:19 <ArtForz> it *is* doing that currently, it *should* not do it
294 2011-02-11 00:42:28 <autodidakto> gavinandresen, thanks
295 2011-02-11 00:42:37 <slush> ArtForz: getwork never send duplicate work
296 2011-02-11 00:42:45 <ArtForz> *headdesk*
297 2011-02-11 00:42:50 <slush> ArtForz: But when miner change ntime in block, which is allowed, THEN it is problem
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300 2011-02-11 00:43:02 <luke-jr> ArtForz: *facepalm* hurts a bit less
301 2011-02-11 00:43:10 <ArtForz> <ArtForz> getwork should not be producing headers for different miners that only differ in ntime
302 2011-02-11 00:43:20 <slush> ok
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305 2011-02-11 00:43:35 <lfm> slush we think of prtocol that part that defines what goes over the net, the detailed contents of the data fields is the problem, outside of the protocol
306 2011-02-11 00:43:37 <slush> that's what I'm solving by custom extranonce
307 2011-02-11 00:43:58 <slush> but maybe there is more elegant solution
308 2011-02-11 00:44:12 <ArtForz> I'm solving it by using multiple coinbase pubkeys
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310 2011-02-11 00:44:38 <ArtForz> basically same way internal miner works, each worker gets its own pubkey
311 2011-02-11 00:44:41 <lfm> seesm either way should work
312 2011-02-11 00:44:50 <jgarzik> slush: what lfm said :) and I'm replacing the protocol, which has nothing to do with the problem you're describing. That problem will exist, or won't, regardless of a push-mining protocol.
313 2011-02-11 00:44:57 <ArtForz> yep
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317 2011-02-11 00:45:27 <lfm> jgarzik: agreed
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319 2011-02-11 00:45:54 <slush> (1:14:29) slush: jgarzik: next question is internal payload of 'getwork' itself
320 2011-02-11 00:46:16 <slush> ---^ I'm OK with protocol, no problem here
321 2011-02-11 00:46:24 <slush> But getwork algorithm need change
322 2011-02-11 00:46:29 <slush> sorry that I mentioned this
323 2011-02-11 00:46:40 <ArtForz> errr... what are we arguing about then?
324 2011-02-11 00:47:02 <slush> I was talking about getwork internals and jgarzik about transfer protocol
325 2011-02-11 00:47:06 <slush> that's the point
326 2011-02-11 00:47:09 <lfm> seems we were disagreeing on terminology of "protocol"
327 2011-02-11 00:47:18 <GoGi2> and will this system scale to billions of users?
328 2011-02-11 00:47:31 <ArtForz> I'd define "protocol" as "on-wire-format"
329 2011-02-11 00:47:54 <ArtForz> but thats just me
330 2011-02-11 00:48:11 <slush> well, I'm pretty busy now. I just wanted to explain my troubles with getwork. I hope you understand. That's all.
331 2011-02-11 00:48:31 <GoGi2> how many blocks do currently exist?
332 2011-02-11 00:48:37 <ArtForz> ;;bc,blocks
333 2011-02-11 00:48:38 <gribble> 107352
334 2011-02-11 00:48:42 <lfm> ;;bc,blocks
335 2011-02-11 00:48:43 <gribble> 107352
336 2011-02-11 00:48:59 <autodidakto> gavinandresen, Flipping through the repo, but I dont think that this is for the mac app...
337 2011-02-11 00:49:11 <da2ce7> slush, when are you going to be ready to add some more features to your pool, insted of still bug squashing?
338 2011-02-11 00:49:18 <GoGi2> and if you have multiple hosts can you have them somehow cooperate?
339 2011-02-11 00:49:31 <GoGi2> or is that equivalent to have each try generating blocks separately?
340 2011-02-11 00:49:52 <slush> da2ce7: what do you need?
341 2011-02-11 00:49:58 <lfm> GoGi2: it is each working alone, no point in trying to cooperate more closely
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350 2011-02-11 00:51:10 <lfm> GoGi2: understand each hash attempt has a chance of succes and even the slowest cpu makes 1000s of attempts per second
351 2011-02-11 00:51:27 <da2ce7> a system where each miner can send to a differnt address
352 2011-02-11 00:51:43 <da2ce7> so I can easly keep track how each miner is going.
353 2011-02-11 00:51:49 <gavinandresen> autodidakto: hmm? see build-osx.txt
354 2011-02-11 00:52:14 <slush> da2ce7: Use separate accounts
355 2011-02-11 00:52:24 <GoGi2> and you say that right now electricity costs more than the coins you get?
356 2011-02-11 00:52:26 <slush> da2ce7: I don't want to do 'subaccounts', too much work for nothing
357 2011-02-11 00:52:38 <lfm> GoGi2: for most cpu yes
358 2011-02-11 00:52:57 <GoGi2> does my cpu use more power if it is not idle?
359 2011-02-11 00:53:00 <slush> da2ce7: You can have more accounts on one email, don't see any problem with that
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362 2011-02-11 00:53:14 <lfm> GoGi2: right
363 2011-02-11 00:54:17 <da2ce7> well the system I'm planning on trying to implement is where, I load 5970's out to my brothers gaming friens. And they mine under an account, I get the BTC, and they pay off the card and eventualy own it.
364 2011-02-11 00:54:29 <bk128> how many coins have been generated so far?
365 2011-02-11 00:54:59 <da2ce7> so I could make a differnt account for each user.
366 2011-02-11 00:55:02 <lfm> bk128: number of blocks * 50
367 2011-02-11 00:55:08 <bk128> ;;bcs
368 2011-02-11 00:55:08 <gribble> I do not know about 'bcs', but I do know about these similar topics: 'bbe'
369 2011-02-11 00:55:13 <bk128> ;;blocks
370 2011-02-11 00:55:13 <gribble> Error: "blocks" is not a valid command.
371 2011-02-11 00:55:16 <slush> da2ce7: yes, some people do this already
372 2011-02-11 00:55:20 <cosurgi> ok, on mtgox.com I see that I can withdraw any amount of EUR if I'm in europe, by direct bank transfer and 2% is charged. How do I do that?
373 2011-02-11 00:55:34 <cosurgi> who is mtgox owner?
374 2011-02-11 00:55:41 <slush> cosurgi: write email
375 2011-02-11 00:55:46 <doublec> ;;calc 107352*50
376 2011-02-11 00:55:47 <gribble> 107,352 * 50 = 5,367,600
377 2011-02-11 00:55:49 <cosurgi> ok.
378 2011-02-11 00:55:54 <cosurgi> but is he here on irc?
379 2011-02-11 00:56:01 <slush> not yet
380 2011-02-11 00:56:07 <slush> cosurgi: nick mtgox
381 2011-02-11 00:56:09 <lfm> ;;seen mtgox
382 2011-02-11 00:56:09 <gribble> mtgox was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 1 week, 2 days, 5 hours, 22 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <mtgox> that would be my guess also
383 2011-02-11 00:56:10 <slush> *not now
384 2011-02-11 00:56:15 <cosurgi> ok.
385 2011-02-11 00:56:24 <cosurgi> he was 1 week ago?
386 2011-02-11 00:56:28 <cosurgi> lots of time.
387 2011-02-11 00:56:37 <slush> cosurgi: he is time to time in -otc
388 2011-02-11 00:56:45 <doublec> he was in -dev an hour or two ago
389 2011-02-11 00:56:51 * Kiba pants after eating hot wings
390 2011-02-11 00:56:52 <doublec> s/-dev/-otc/
391 2011-02-11 00:56:53 <slush> mgox was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 1 hour, 45 minutes, a
392 2011-02-11 00:57:08 <cosurgi> what -otc is about?
393 2011-02-11 00:57:18 <slush> #bitcoin-otc
394 2011-02-11 00:57:20 <lfm> over the counter trading
395 2011-02-11 00:57:24 <cosurgi> ok.
396 2011-02-11 00:57:27 <cosurgi> thanks.
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398 2011-02-11 00:59:20 <da2ce7> ;;bc,mtgox
399 2011-02-11 00:59:21 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.1,"low":0.8,"vol":26222,"buy":0.9291,"sell":0.9889,"last":0.9889}}
400 2011-02-11 01:01:52 <genjix> gavinandresen: I've been using .20 and I see the startup times are significantly faster than before
401 2011-02-11 01:02:08 <genjix> did you move the rpc server further up in initialisation?
402 2011-02-11 01:02:19 <genjix> any chance to have it startup faster?
403 2011-02-11 01:04:01 <lfm> make it start slower, make -rescan the default
404 2011-02-11 01:05:19 <lfm> then people will be impressed when you tell em about -norescan
405 2011-02-11 01:05:24 <genjix> ?
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407 2011-02-11 01:07:17 <lfm> genjix: try putting -configdir on a SSD
408 2011-02-11 01:08:24 <genjix> not possible :p
409 2011-02-11 01:08:45 <luke-jr> so if people start moving to Mars, will BitCoin remain viable?
410 2011-02-11 01:08:59 <lfm> hehe how can you say that. its "possible" grin
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412 2011-02-11 01:09:10 <luke-jr> or rather, how would it cope?
413 2011-02-11 01:09:19 <luke-jr> separate planetary bitcoin chains?
414 2011-02-11 01:09:26 <lfm> luke-jr: light speed lag is prolly a killer, mars will need a forked bitcoin
415 2011-02-11 01:10:18 <luke-jr> with a little more design work, BitCoin could have possibly supported chain forks and merges
416 2011-02-11 01:10:37 <lfm> or make a special interplanetary bitcoin with one block per day and it takes 6 days to confirm
417 2011-02-11 01:11:39 <genjix> it's funny cos people on mars in a century will be a real problem
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419 2011-02-11 01:11:49 <genjix> like researchers on antartica today
420 2011-02-11 01:11:49 autodidakto has left ("Leaving...")
421 2011-02-11 01:11:50 <luke-jr> as soon as we have multiple chains, though, that's over 21 million
422 2011-02-11 01:12:06 <lfm> genjix: but they might not need money, star trek had no money
423 2011-02-11 01:12:20 <luke-jr> genjix: apparently NASA just launched a program for companies to fund Mars colonies, and sell property
424 2011-02-11 01:12:43 <genjix> nasa plans to land people on mars by mid 2030
425 2011-02-11 01:12:52 <genjix> other countries are also competing
426 2011-02-11 01:13:03 <genjix> praise robert zubrin + mars direct
427 2011-02-11 01:13:07 <lfm> nasa had plans to land people on mars in 1982
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430 2011-02-11 01:13:19 <grzywacz> luke-jr, url?
431 2011-02-11 01:13:36 <luke-jr> http://www.space.com/10819-mars-private-funding-manned-mission.html
432 2011-02-11 01:13:47 <genjix> lfm: that's a different story
433 2011-02-11 01:14:12 <lfm> so they will have plans to land people on mars in 2140 also
434 2011-02-11 01:14:38 <lfm> same story
435 2011-02-11 01:14:51 <luke-jr> lfm: probably, when man does move to Mars, it will be a non-government org operating illegally
436 2011-02-11 01:15:04 tg has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
437 2011-02-11 01:15:04 <luke-jr> with the plan being to leave international airspace before anyone can stop them
438 2011-02-11 01:15:06 <Kiba> illegally?
439 2011-02-11 01:15:47 <lfm> way easier to send a missile after them than to send a manned craft
440 2011-02-11 01:16:21 <citiz3n> the US wasn't able to stop that chinese missile :P
441 2011-02-11 01:16:45 <citiz3n> well norad prolly told them to stand down like on 9/11
442 2011-02-11 01:16:51 * Kiba propose the construction of a dyson sphere starting with earth
443 2011-02-11 01:17:25 * lfm propose we demolish earth to build an interstellar bypass
444 2011-02-11 01:17:49 <T_X> :)
445 2011-02-11 01:17:55 <T_X> DON'T PANIC!!!
446 2011-02-11 01:17:59 * xelister grabs his towel
447 2011-02-11 01:18:49 * lfm is thinking how many of the people hear are in their bathrobe
448 2011-02-11 01:19:00 <lfm> here
449 2011-02-11 01:19:14 <luke-jr> how about you guys help me build a colony on Mars, and I'll bring all the Tonal users with me?
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451 2011-02-11 01:19:54 <lfm> luke-jr: good idea Ill donate tonal 0.000001 btc
452 2011-02-11 01:20:02 <luke-jr> lfm: how?
453 2011-02-11 01:20:10 <lfm> when I have to
454 2011-02-11 01:20:16 <luke-jr> wait
455 2011-02-11 01:20:19 <luke-jr> that makes no sense
456 2011-02-11 01:20:22 <andrew12> lol
457 2011-02-11 01:20:32 <luke-jr> the number 0.000001 in tonal, but a quantity of BTC?
458 2011-02-11 01:21:51 <lfm> ok you got me, i dont understand tonal, and please dont try to explain
459 2011-02-11 01:22:15 <prax> I refuse to use tonal until they change "go" to 5
460 2011-02-11 01:22:18 <luke-jr> lfm: you just specified a quantity of 0.000000059604644775390625 base unitsâ¦
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462 2011-02-11 01:22:39 <lfm> sounds about like what its worth
463 2011-02-11 01:22:44 <luke-jr> prax: change 4 to 5? why?
464 2011-02-11 01:23:00 <prax> same as japanese then
465 2011-02-11 01:23:11 <lfm> 1 2 3 4 go is so natural
466 2011-02-11 01:23:12 <luke-jr> ichi ni san shi go
467 2011-02-11 01:23:14 <luke-jr> oh, yeah
468 2011-02-11 01:23:59 <luke-jr> prax: but "they" is dead. dead people can't change things
469 2011-02-11 01:24:08 <gavinandresen> I'm so close, yet so far away... getting bitcoin 0.3.20 to run on Windows....
470 2011-02-11 01:24:20 <gavinandresen> Anybody know about Visual C++'s debugging malloc?
471 2011-02-11 01:24:24 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: I do not envy you.
472 2011-02-11 01:25:01 <prax> who is they afterall
473 2011-02-11 01:25:24 <luke-jr> John W. Nystrom
474 2011-02-11 01:25:42 <luke-jr> Swedish-American civil engineer, inventor, and author
475 2011-02-11 01:25:43 <gavinandresen> In particular, I'm getting an assertion error in dbgheap.c -- maybe because I screwed up and built one of the dependencies wrong?
476 2011-02-11 01:25:48 <luke-jr> who lived in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
477 2011-02-11 01:26:12 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: you *did* build *all* the deps with VC++, right?
478 2011-02-11 01:26:19 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: IIRC, mingw libs don't mix with VC++
479 2011-02-11 01:26:25 <andrew12> *did* *all*
480 2011-02-11 01:26:30 <prax> somebody ought to subject it to linguistic evaluation
481 2011-02-11 01:26:44 <gavinandresen> Yeah... I KNOW I built wxWidgets and openssl with VC++. I might have screwed up the berkeley db build
482 2011-02-11 01:26:45 <prax> otherwise it is a good idea, just hard to learn new stuff
483 2011-02-11 01:26:53 <andrew12> VC++ is nasty.
484 2011-02-11 01:27:22 <gavinandresen> andrew12: If you want to volunteer to get bitcoin building with mingw......
485 2011-02-11 01:27:39 <andrew12> I can try :P
486 2011-02-11 01:28:03 <andrew12> is there a way to build mingw under linux? ;)
487 2011-02-11 01:28:22 <gavinandresen> andrew12: yes, jgarzik and I were trying to get it cross-compiling
488 2011-02-11 01:28:32 <andrew12> oic
489 2011-02-11 01:28:39 <gavinandresen> andrew12: I got stuck on openssl, though
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491 2011-02-11 01:29:13 <gavinandresen> (latest Fedora has a nice mingw32 cross-compile environment, but doesn't have an ECDSA-capable openssl)
492 2011-02-11 01:29:44 <andrew12> hmm
493 2011-02-11 01:29:50 <luke-jr> prax: the pronunciations are, IMO, the biggest problem with tonal
494 2011-02-11 01:30:02 <luke-jr> prax: especially by, vy, fy
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496 2011-02-11 01:30:23 <lfm> i dont think thats the biggest problem
497 2011-02-11 01:30:28 <gavinandresen> andrew12: and, actually, I never got as far as trying to compile wxWidgets in that mingw32-cross-compiling environment
498 2011-02-11 01:31:26 <luke-jr> lfm: you haven't bothered to even read the book, let alone learn it
499 2011-02-11 01:32:30 <lfm> luke-jr: you know that in the 1880s the usa government made a resolution to change over to the metric sytem? That should give you a rough idea of what your chances are for tonal
500 2011-02-11 01:33:06 <luke-jr> lfm: not quite. metric is inherently flawed, and worse than the imperial units.
501 2011-02-11 01:33:16 <luke-jr> tonal is *easier* than both
502 2011-02-11 01:33:30 <lfm> ok, it should give you an idea but it wont
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504 2011-02-11 01:34:06 * gavinandresen is becoming tonal deaf
505 2011-02-11 01:34:48 * lfm hopes its contageous
506 2011-02-11 01:34:50 <luke-jr> lfm: the USA abandoned that resolution for good reasons
507 2011-02-11 01:35:11 <luke-jr> lfm: also, do you think the USA is going to up and adopt bitcoin?
508 2011-02-11 01:35:17 <luke-jr> does that affect its success?
509 2011-02-11 01:35:44 <genjix> why're you so obsessed about a number system?
510 2011-02-11 01:35:56 <lfm> I dont think they abandoned the reolution, in fact they have reaffirmed it a few times
511 2011-02-11 01:35:59 <genjix> i'm not lobbying bitcoin main page to be esperanto by default
512 2011-02-11 01:36:13 <gavinandresen> luke-jr was born with 8 fingers on each hand.
513 2011-02-11 01:36:14 <midnightmagic> I AM! I demand the front page be in LOJBAN!
514 2011-02-11 01:36:22 <genjix> eventhough a few of us here do
515 2011-02-11 01:36:31 <genjix> lojban sucks :p
516 2011-02-11 01:36:32 <midnightmagic> you know my friend has an ex-fiance who was born a polydactyl
517 2011-02-11 01:36:37 <lfm> I want it in Klingon
518 2011-02-11 01:36:42 <luke-jr> genjix: I'm not. However, the only purpose of BitCoin, from my standpoint, is to have something we can use for Tonal.
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520 2011-02-11 01:36:47 <midnightmagic> 6 fingers. she had the smallest one removed, and now it looks like an alien hand when she holds her hands up.
521 2011-02-11 01:36:58 <luke-jr> lfm: ok, then it *failed* for good reason
522 2011-02-11 01:36:59 <midnightmagic> it looks like her pinky was removed, but when you count her fingers, there's 5 of them.
523 2011-02-11 01:37:12 <genjix> have sex with her
524 2011-02-11 01:37:21 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: actually, our two hands make counting in Tonal more optimal than Decimal ;)
525 2011-02-11 01:37:27 <lfm> luke and the rest of the world is nuts for adopting metric I spoze
526 2011-02-11 01:37:49 <luke-jr> since there are 4 fingers per hand which can be controlled indepdently, and 4+4 bits per Tonal digit
527 2011-02-11 01:38:02 <luke-jr> lfm: just more dedicated to the cause ;)
528 2011-02-11 01:38:18 <genjix> i won't comment since i don't know... but imperial is most definetly much more terrible than metric.
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530 2011-02-11 01:38:51 <gavinandresen> Yeah, that whole '18 ounces in a furlong' is whack.
531 2011-02-11 01:39:05 <luke-jr> genjix: certain parts of imperial are worse than metric, but other parts are far better
532 2011-02-11 01:39:11 <lfm> genjix: you know imperial volumes are based on binary? multiples of 2 and 4
533 2011-02-11 01:39:20 <luke-jr> for example, quantities of fluids are binary
534 2011-02-11 01:39:29 <genjix> don't care. our number system is base 10.
535 2011-02-11 01:39:35 <luke-jr> genjix: that's half the problem
536 2011-02-11 01:40:00 <xelister> luke-jr: will you cut the tonal crap
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538 2011-02-11 01:41:34 <andrew12> i want a base 2 number system pl0x
539 2011-02-11 01:41:35 <lfm> luke do you know a gallon is different sizes in different countries?
540 2011-02-11 01:41:35 <genjix> luke-jr: i can count to 99 on my 2 hands
541 2011-02-11 01:41:48 <genjix> lfm: a billion too ^^
542 2011-02-11 01:41:53 caution has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
543 2011-02-11 01:41:54 <lfm> and a mile
544 2011-02-11 01:42:14 <genjix> uk billion = 10^9
545 2011-02-11 01:42:18 <luke-jr> lfm: not officially anymore
546 2011-02-11 01:42:20 <genjix> us billion = 10^12
547 2011-02-11 01:42:29 <luke-jr> genjix: you have that backward
548 2011-02-11 01:42:36 <luke-jr> US billion = 10^9
549 2011-02-11 01:42:41 <genjix> ok, maybe
550 2011-02-11 01:42:42 <luke-jr> UK billion = until recently 10^12
551 2011-02-11 01:42:54 <genjix> i just remember having an argument with an american
552 2011-02-11 01:42:56 <lfm> luke ok they reconciled the different miles by inventing a new one in between the old ones
553 2011-02-11 01:42:58 <luke-jr> andrew12: base 2 works for counting, but not for writing. Hence Tonal
554 2011-02-11 01:43:02 <genjix> we was using different billions
555 2011-02-11 01:43:26 <luke-jr> lfm: imperial measurements are a joke, with exception only to having a sane standard length
556 2011-02-11 01:44:22 <lfm> yes, the lenght of 3 barley kernels laying end to end is indeed a sane standard length
557 2011-02-11 01:44:33 <luke-jr> "For most of the 19th and 20th centuries, the United Kingdom uniformly used the long scale,[3] while the United States of America used the short scale,[3] so that usage of the two systems was often referred to as British and American respectively. In 1974, the government of the UK switched to the short scale, a change that is reflected in its mass media and official usage.[4][5][6][7] Although some residual usage of the long scale continues in
558 2011-02-11 01:44:34 <luke-jr> the UK,[8] the phrases British usage and American usage are no longer accurate nor helpful characterisations."
559 2011-02-11 01:45:49 <xelister> so the tonal is basically using base16 haxa system?
560 2011-02-11 01:46:03 <xelister> with writting a power in nam
561 2011-02-11 01:46:04 <xelister> name
562 2011-02-11 01:46:07 <xelister> how is that helpfull, again?
563 2011-02-11 01:46:07 <citiz3n> ;;bc,mtgox
564 2011-02-11 01:46:08 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.1,"low":0.8,"vol":26307,"buy":0.9301,"sell":0.9799,"last":0.9799}}
565 2011-02-11 01:46:12 <luke-jr> xelister: except, designed for use by ordinary people, and includes units and division/multipliers
566 2011-02-11 01:46:22 <xelister> so...?
567 2011-02-11 01:46:42 <xelister> how it is more practical or something then normal decimanl
568 2011-02-11 01:46:57 <luke-jr> xelister: there are many benefits to the tonal system, many of which are detailed in the book
569 2011-02-11 01:47:22 <lfm> and there are many drawback which are glossed over in the book
570 2011-02-11 01:47:33 <luke-jr> xelister: more or less, it admits infinite binary division
571 2011-02-11 01:47:53 <luke-jr> lfm: having not read the book, you are ignorant of the fact that SI's comments are published in full
572 2011-02-11 01:48:03 <doublec> what book is this?
573 2011-02-11 01:49:39 lfm has quit (Quit: must go be sick for a while)
574 2011-02-11 01:49:48 <luke-jr> http://www.lulu.com/product/file-download/tonal-system/10991091
575 2011-02-11 01:50:28 <genjix> is there a wiki article?
576 2011-02-11 01:50:43 <luke-jr> not covering the benefits
577 2011-02-11 01:50:45 <xelister> I doubt we need a binary system...
578 2011-02-11 01:50:48 <luke-jr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonal_System
579 2011-02-11 01:51:15 <xelister> humans prefer to see that coffey costs 9.98 not that it costs 10100101001011101 deca etc
580 2011-02-11 01:51:38 <luke-jr> xelister: that's why we use Tonal instead of binar
581 2011-02-11 01:52:06 <genjix> why so many of us are into these esoteric interests. me: cellular automata, esperanto, prehistory, urban planning, ...
582 2011-02-11 01:52:13 <genjix> i wonder
583 2011-02-11 01:52:47 <luke-jr> genjix: bitcoin doesn't appeal to most people (yet?)
584 2011-02-11 01:52:50 <genjix> im not deliberately tryng to be fringe :p
585 2011-02-11 01:53:02 <luke-jr> those who it does, tend to think somewhat similarly
586 2011-02-11 01:53:10 <genjix> ic
587 2011-02-11 01:53:23 <luke-jr> for example, most people haven't even heard of hexadecimal, yet most here have
588 2011-02-11 01:53:35 <genjix> but i see many linux users are that way too
589 2011-02-11 01:53:38 <luke-jr> that's a step toward tonal, despite the resistance
590 2011-02-11 01:53:54 <luke-jr> Linux is also not something most people care about :p
591 2011-02-11 01:54:22 <andrew12> "Pull the lever, Kronk"
592 2011-02-11 01:55:07 <doublec> luke-jr: you have convinced me to at least download it and read it
593 2011-02-11 01:55:26 <genjix> same
594 2011-02-11 01:55:34 <luke-jr> cool âº
595 2011-02-11 01:56:10 <genjix> ive learnt not to dismiss strange ideas
596 2011-02-11 01:56:19 <luke-jr> keep in mind, the book was written in 1862, before SI existed outside of France
597 2011-02-11 01:56:40 <luke-jr> genjix: that may very well be the factor common to most Linux/BitCoin/etc users ;)\
598 2011-02-11 01:58:53 <genjix> why to learn esperanto:
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600 2011-02-11 01:59:06 <genjix> - 2 million speakers (same as that of a small country like estonia)
601 2011-02-11 01:59:23 <genjix> - neutral language (international)
602 2011-02-11 01:59:33 <luke-jr> genjix: why esperanto, rather than lojban?
603 2011-02-11 01:59:37 <genjix> - very easy to learn (took me 2 weeks to be speaker)
604 2011-02-11 02:00:04 <luke-jr> hmm
605 2011-02-11 02:00:04 <genjix> - flexible. you can build expressions from it's genious system that I can't express in English (or with difficulty)
606 2011-02-11 02:00:07 <luke-jr> that does sound easy
607 2011-02-11 02:00:28 <genjix> go on lojban mailing list. they speak english and how to make it better. has about 30 speakers worldwide.
608 2011-02-11 02:00:50 <genjix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX7DYeiNyzY
609 2011-02-11 02:01:09 <genjix> ^ whereas as you can see there... esperanto lives.
610 2011-02-11 02:01:18 <genjix> also #esperanto XD
611 2011-02-11 02:01:45 <prax> speak some esperanto to us lol
612 2011-02-11 02:02:07 <genjix> we also have 6 bitcoiners speaking it: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1568.0
613 2011-02-11 02:02:15 <genjix> ----------
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615 2011-02-11 02:02:54 <genjix> iru al la listo de lojbano. ili parolas angle pri kiel plibonigi gin. gi havas 30 parolantojn tutmonde.
616 2011-02-11 02:03:56 <genjix> ^ tamen tiel vi povas vidi... esperanto vivas.
617 2011-02-11 02:04:05 <genjix> ankaÅ #esperanto XD
618 2011-02-11 02:04:16 <luke-jr> genjix: how do you say "How does one patch KDE 2 under FreeBSD?"
619 2011-02-11 02:04:25 <genjix> ni ankaÅ havas 6 da bitcoinantoj kiuj parolas Äin
620 2011-02-11 02:05:18 <luke-jr> â¦
621 2011-02-11 02:05:19 <genjix> genjix: kiel oni diras: kiel oni fiksas KDE2 sub FreeBSD
622 2011-02-11 02:05:44 <luke-jr> :D
623 2011-02-11 02:05:58 <luke-jr> genjix: are you familiar with the meme?
624 2011-02-11 02:06:10 <genjix> no
625 2011-02-11 02:06:28 <luke-jr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_does_one_patch_KDE2_under_FreeBSD%3F
626 2011-02-11 02:06:31 <genjix> esperanto is also growing because of the internet.
627 2011-02-11 02:06:35 <luke-jr> genjix: wtf did the ##esperanto guy say?
628 2011-02-11 02:06:44 <genjix> who?
629 2011-02-11 02:07:19 <luke-jr> [20:59:47] <lukaso666> luke-jr Äuste vi aperis kiam ni parolis pri ion pli malpeza ol KDE âº
630 2011-02-11 02:07:52 <genjix> haha hilarious (the wiki)
631 2011-02-11 02:08:34 <genjix> you appeared just at the right moment when we were talking about something more important than KDE
632 2011-02-11 02:08:42 <luke-jr> lol
633 2011-02-11 02:09:06 <genjix> (luke correctly you appeared when we was-talking about something more fun than KDE)
634 2011-02-11 02:09:35 <genjix> they mean light-hearted not important
635 2011-02-11 02:10:26 <luke-jr> :p
636 2011-02-11 02:11:12 <genjix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4JO7wFvOxM < song in esperanto
637 2011-02-11 02:17:43 <Kiba> harsh burn
638 2011-02-11 02:18:57 <prax> got distracted sorry
639 2011-02-11 02:19:00 <prax> sounds liek
640 2011-02-11 02:19:04 <prax> Italian
641 2011-02-11 02:21:13 <Kiba> BURN!
642 2011-02-11 02:21:23 <Kiba> hhoooooooooooot
643 2011-02-11 02:21:37 <luke-jr> Kiba: you are anti-Esperanto?
644 2011-02-11 02:21:42 <Kiba> no
645 2011-02-11 02:21:56 <doublec> I'm sure kiba would accept an esperanto article for the bitcoin weekly...
646 2011-02-11 02:22:00 <doublec> even a tonal one
647 2011-02-11 02:22:12 <Kiba> for bitcoin!
648 2011-02-11 02:23:08 <Diablo-D3> so
649 2011-02-11 02:23:14 <Diablo-D3> yoda speaks in reverse polish notation
650 2011-02-11 02:23:47 <luke-jr> you just realized that?
651 2011-02-11 02:24:01 <Diablo-D3> well, yes
652 2011-02-11 02:24:24 <Diablo-D3> Ive been parodying his style all my life
653 2011-02-11 02:24:32 <Diablo-D3> but I just went to make a programmer joke with it
654 2011-02-11 02:24:51 <Diablo-D3> two seperate groups of neurons that were never meant to meet did
655 2011-02-11 02:24:57 <Diablo-D3> the result was not hilarious
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657 2011-02-11 02:29:14 <genjix> luke-jr: tonal is hexadecimal?
658 2011-02-11 02:30:26 <luke-jr> genjix: not identical, but similar
659 2011-02-11 02:30:35 <genjix> yoda speaks in the least common word order worldwide OSV
660 2011-02-11 02:30:38 <luke-jr> genjix: tonal is hexadecimal suitable for real-world use by average people
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677 2011-02-11 03:04:36 <sgornick> Mahkul is offering a 50 BTC Bounty for figuring out his ubuntu Jack audio issue: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3338.0
678 2011-02-11 03:05:00 <Diablo-D3> thats easy
679 2011-02-11 03:05:03 <Diablo-D3> install a BFS kernel
680 2011-02-11 03:05:04 <Diablo-D3> problems olved
681 2011-02-11 03:05:53 dukeleto has quit (Excess Flood)
682 2011-02-11 03:05:54 * Kiba is still waiting work from mahadri
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685 2011-02-11 03:08:48 <gavinandresen> Anybody have VC++ 2010 and are willing to do me a favor? I need upgraded Berkeley DB project (dsp) files, and VCExpress won't upgrade (and I'm not going to pay for VC++)
686 2011-02-11 03:09:22 <Hackbat> I think QR codes would be the best way to do inworld bitcoin transfers
687 2011-02-11 03:09:39 <Hackbat> well I can maybe get you a full version
688 2011-02-11 03:09:44 <Hackbat> like legit
689 2011-02-11 03:09:52 <Hackbat> I'm not going to use it
690 2011-02-11 03:10:03 <Hackbat> and it's offered to me
691 2011-02-11 03:10:26 <gavinandresen> Hackbat: that'd work, as long as it IS legit.
692 2011-02-11 03:10:46 <Hackbat> full key and all
693 2011-02-11 03:11:18 <presence> grrr still no hash win
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721 2011-02-11 04:01:44 <andrew12> stupid netsplit
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723 2011-02-11 04:01:54 <andrew12> left me in here with 6 people :(
724 2011-02-11 04:07:06 <luke-jr> lol
725 2011-02-11 04:12:18 <noagendamarket> Im so ronery ...
726 2011-02-11 04:13:22 <andrew12> wut
727 2011-02-11 04:16:48 <prax> what do you guys think about this deal?
728 2011-02-11 04:16:58 <prax> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?SID=u0t0f0fp46777c0s701&AID=10440897&PID=1225267&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-cables-_-na-_-na&ItemList=Combo.597415
729 2011-02-11 04:17:18 <prax> I have some crappy Compaq system ATM with only PCI-E 1.0 though
730 2011-02-11 04:17:32 <prax> going to upgrade but just dont have the cashflow yet
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732 2011-02-11 04:23:31 <luke-jr> "Bitcoin transactions on the network itself: around 10,000 BTC per hour"
733 2011-02-11 04:23:39 <luke-jr> who wrote this? I'm pretty sure it's falseâ¦
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735 2011-02-11 04:23:58 <luke-jr> #bitcoin-monitor would need to have 2-3 tx per second
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737 2011-02-11 04:28:09 <jgarzik> luke-jr: look on bitcoinwatch for average per hour
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739 2011-02-11 04:28:29 <Syke> prax, stay away from the 6xxx series. get like a 5870 for just a few dollars more, with 50% higher performance
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741 2011-02-11 04:30:35 <prax> think I might just hold out yeah, I really need a whole system
742 2011-02-11 04:30:49 <prax> 650W PSU won't really be worth having
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745 2011-02-11 04:33:02 <AAA_awright> Nice, it hit Slashdot again
746 2011-02-11 04:33:16 <Kiba> late to the part aren't ya, AAA_awright
747 2011-02-11 04:33:54 <AAA_awright> What part?
748 2011-02-11 04:34:14 <AAA_awright> :-/ I see a bunch of idling in this channel
749 2011-02-11 04:35:00 <doublec> all the discussion goes on it bitcoin-otc these days for some reason
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756 2011-02-11 04:42:35 <dx25> if you have two 5970's how do you use aticonfig to control the second card's fan?
757 2011-02-11 04:43:20 <dx25> tried aticonfig --pplib-cmd "set fanspeed 1 100" and got execution failed
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761 2011-02-11 04:44:04 <da2ce7> Houdy
762 2011-02-11 04:45:06 <afed> yeshello
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764 2011-02-11 04:46:57 <dx25> ;;bc,estimate
765 2011-02-11 04:46:58 <gribble> 32512.50386071
766 2011-02-11 04:47:11 <dx25> ;;bc,stats
767 2011-02-11 04:47:13 <gribble> Current Blocks: 107385 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 1478 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 5 hours, 28 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32512.50386071
768 2011-02-11 04:50:06 <afed> that diff is insane
769 2011-02-11 04:50:13 <afed> up up and up
770 2011-02-11 04:50:32 <dx25> yup. but not as insane as the market price
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775 2011-02-11 05:20:24 <afed> love backdooring unix sluts
776 2011-02-11 05:20:56 <redukt> same
777 2011-02-11 05:21:22 <redukt> also valid: remotely.exploitable.unixsluts.com
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782 2011-02-11 05:32:28 <Mango-chan> http://i.imgur.com/Z3AdT.jpg anyone have any tips on how to improve airflows
783 2011-02-11 05:32:29 <Mango-chan> http://i.imgur.com/Z3AdT.jpg
784 2011-02-11 05:34:45 <nevezen> that's a giant cpu heatsink..
785 2011-02-11 05:36:05 <da2ce7> :P
786 2011-02-11 05:36:46 <da2ce7> my computer is much more simple, designed for low noise, (as it is in my room)... still can have a 5970 @ 800 with bareable noise.
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799 2011-02-11 07:01:50 <LobsterMan> so i am getting an error trying to send ~12 btc...
800 2011-02-11 07:01:50 <LobsterMan> http://imgur.com/FoFkj
801 2011-02-11 07:02:04 <LobsterMan> can i wait this out somehow?
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809 2011-02-11 07:21:28 <midnightmagic_> send fewer BTC and let the rest be spent on tx fees?
810 2011-02-11 07:22:04 <LobsterMan> yeah...i figured it out
811 2011-02-11 07:22:32 <midnightmagic_> thanks for the update..
812 2011-02-11 07:23:04 <LobsterMan> :P
813 2011-02-11 07:34:33 <Mango-chan> [21:30:02] <da2ce7> my computer is much more simple, designed for low noise, (as it is in my room)... still can have a 5970 @ 800 with bareable noise.
814 2011-02-11 07:34:36 <Mango-chan> what hardware?
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822 2011-02-11 07:56:41 <ntosme2> is Bitcoin IPv6-compatible?
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824 2011-02-11 07:58:37 <ArtForz> no
825 2011-02-11 07:59:42 <ntosme2> that would, in most cases, solve the NAT port-forwarding issue
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837 2011-02-11 08:42:20 <Sirius> rescaling server, short downtime may occur
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844 2011-02-11 09:02:49 <echelon> is it safe to keep your money in an ewallet like bcm or mtgox?
845 2011-02-11 09:03:14 <sgornick> ;;bc,wiki eWallet
846 2011-02-11 09:03:14 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/EWallet | 6 Feb 2011 ... An eWallet is an online account with an external provider where bitcoins can be stored. Examples include accounts on currency exchange ...
847 2011-02-11 09:03:25 <sgornick> echelon: ^^ see "risks"
848 2011-02-11 09:03:37 <echelon> thanks
849 2011-02-11 09:03:55 <echelon> hdd failure is a risk
850 2011-02-11 09:04:19 <echelon> if you have it in your own wallet, you can just back it up in a million different places
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857 2011-02-11 09:36:42 <da2ce7> ;;bc,stats
858 2011-02-11 09:36:44 <gribble> Current Blocks: 107420 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 1443 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 1 hour, 12 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32448.39310673
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860 2011-02-11 09:40:42 <al__> ;;bc,stats
861 2011-02-11 09:40:44 <gribble> Current Blocks: 107420 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 1443 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 1 hour, 12 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32448.39310673
862 2011-02-11 09:41:52 <da2ce7> Mango-chan, 955 undervolted, Enermax PSU, 5970 undervolted, big case with big slow spining fans.
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865 2011-02-11 09:51:41 <al__> ;;bc,poolstats
866 2011-02-11 09:51:42 <gribble> {"active_workers": 471, "ghashes_ps": "39.646", "getwork_ps": 181}
867 2011-02-11 09:52:21 <al__> ;;bc,nexttarget
868 2011-02-11 09:52:21 <gribble> 108863
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888 2011-02-11 11:26:44 <UukGoblin> bitcoin sellers of the world, unite! let's collectively force the price to $10 and refuse to sell for less, I want to be rich! ;-P
889 2011-02-11 11:27:42 * necrodearia suggests to discuss that at witcoin.com ^_^
890 2011-02-11 11:27:49 <necrodearia> I'll upvote it ^_^
891 2011-02-11 11:27:53 <UukGoblin> that'd make me poor, not rich ;-]
892 2011-02-11 11:28:04 <necrodearia> Actually, it depends
893 2011-02-11 11:28:15 <necrodearia> If you receive 8 upvotes, you will have recovered your monies
894 2011-02-11 11:28:18 <UukGoblin> yeah I don't trust that 'depends' stuff
895 2011-02-11 11:28:25 <necrodearia> Aww
896 2011-02-11 11:28:27 <necrodearia> okay
897 2011-02-11 11:28:30 <UukGoblin> that's what all salesmen say ;-]
898 2011-02-11 11:28:36 <necrodearia> I'll plagiarize your words and post it myself ^_^
899 2011-02-11 11:28:39 <necrodearia> Muhahahahahahaha
900 2011-02-11 11:28:52 <UukGoblin> go for it
901 2011-02-11 11:28:55 <necrodearia> I'm too lazy
902 2011-02-11 11:28:57 <UukGoblin> see how much you earn
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906 2011-02-11 11:29:16 <UukGoblin> if you make $1M out of it, I'll get my lawyers and sue you ;-]
907 2011-02-11 11:29:34 <necrodearia> Well, luckily the amount I make will be in witcoins and not usd
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909 2011-02-11 11:30:17 <necrodearia> However... if I make 1 witcoin from it and at a future date when one bitcoin == us$1mil, will you then sue me?
910 2011-02-11 11:31:30 <RBecker> 1 mil for a bitcoin? We'd all be rich!
911 2011-02-11 11:31:52 <UukGoblin> that can actually happen
912 2011-02-11 11:32:01 <UukGoblin> and did happen in zimbabwe
913 2011-02-11 11:32:05 <UukGoblin> and didn't make anyone rich ;-]
914 2011-02-11 11:32:15 <RBecker> what does everyone here use for trading?
915 2011-02-11 11:32:24 <RBecker> exchanging, rather
916 2011-02-11 11:32:28 <UukGoblin> money
917 2011-02-11 11:32:36 <RBecker> i mean what website
918 2011-02-11 11:32:49 <UukGoblin> my grandpa's grandpa used bottle caps but I stick to money
919 2011-02-11 11:33:01 <RBecker> my friend told me about mtgox
920 2011-02-11 11:33:19 <UukGoblin> RBecker, there's mtgox, bitcoin market, bitcoin central, bitcoin otc and more
921 2011-02-11 11:33:23 <RBecker> lots
922 2011-02-11 11:33:30 <UukGoblin> mtgox is the most popular I believe
923 2011-02-11 11:33:39 <tcatm> bitcoincharts.com has a nice overview
924 2011-02-11 11:35:05 <UukGoblin> RBecker, are you looking to buy or to sell? :-]
925 2011-02-11 11:35:20 <RBecker> sell once I generate some
926 2011-02-11 11:35:39 <RBecker> I'm gonna let BOINC finish off its tasks then do bitcoin
927 2011-02-11 11:35:59 <UukGoblin> have you got a graphics card?
928 2011-02-11 11:36:01 <RBecker> I was getting 6200 something khash/s
929 2011-02-11 11:36:08 <RBecker> UukGoblin, I do
930 2011-02-11 11:36:11 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,calc 6200
931 2011-02-11 11:36:12 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 6200 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 29 weeks, 5 days, 10 hours, 41 minutes, and 24 seconds
932 2011-02-11 11:36:56 <RBecker> UukGoblin, I know there are multiple GPU clients, but is there one that can be set to only use the GPU once my computer has been idle for a certain amount of time?
933 2011-02-11 11:36:56 <UukGoblin> pooled mining might be good for you
934 2011-02-11 11:37:24 <UukGoblin> RBecker, dunno, I haven't heard of it
935 2011-02-11 11:37:28 <RBecker> hm
936 2011-02-11 11:37:34 <UukGoblin> are you on windows or linux?
937 2011-02-11 11:37:37 <RBecker> that's the only problem I had with BOINC, rendering became too slow
938 2011-02-11 11:37:40 <RBecker> I'm on Windows
939 2011-02-11 11:37:57 <UukGoblin> ah, can't help you then, sorry
940 2011-02-11 11:38:08 <tcatm> RBecker: maybe you could tweak the python miner to do that
941 2011-02-11 11:38:13 <RBecker> maybe
942 2011-02-11 11:38:24 <UukGoblin> yeah could definitely tweak the existing ones, probably fairly easily
943 2011-02-11 11:38:28 <RBecker> unless it's not so intensive it slows down rendering
944 2011-02-11 11:38:52 <RBecker> that was the only problem with boinc, if I was using my computer and it was doing gpu tasks, rendering would be incredibly slow
945 2011-02-11 11:38:57 <RBecker> for the simplest of application
946 2011-02-11 11:38:58 <RBecker> s
947 2011-02-11 11:39:01 * UukGoblin doesn't expect BOINC to have a very long future ;-]
948 2011-02-11 11:39:51 <tcatm> bitcoin mining is even worse. Don't expect to be able to even click the X when mining at hightest efficiency
949 2011-02-11 11:40:04 <RBecker> heh
950 2011-02-11 11:40:17 <RBecker> so you would almost need a dedicated machine for it
951 2011-02-11 11:40:24 * UukGoblin has 3
952 2011-02-11 11:40:30 <RBecker> nice
953 2011-02-11 11:41:44 <RBecker> moo: gfx: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 768MB
954 2011-02-11 11:43:27 <UukGoblin> that's about 68Mhash/sec according to https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
955 2011-02-11 11:43:39 <RBecker> nice
956 2011-02-11 11:44:27 <RBecker> ;;bc,calc 680000000
957 2011-02-11 11:44:28 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 680000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 2 minutes and 44 seconds
958 2011-02-11 11:44:33 <RBecker> that's not right
959 2011-02-11 11:44:36 <RBecker> ;;bc,calc 680000
960 2011-02-11 11:44:37 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 680000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 1 day, 21 hours, 36 minutes, and 45 seconds
961 2011-02-11 11:44:43 <RBecker> is that ^
962 2011-02-11 11:44:45 <UukGoblin> nope
963 2011-02-11 11:44:47 <RBecker> math was never my forte
964 2011-02-11 11:44:49 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,calc 68000
965 2011-02-11 11:44:50 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 68000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 2 weeks, 5 days, 0 hours, 7 minutes, and 39 seconds
966 2011-02-11 11:45:06 <RBecker> hm, even that's not bad considering it was gonna take 30 weeks of CPU work to generate a block
967 2011-02-11 11:45:17 <UukGoblin> yup
968 2011-02-11 11:45:29 <RBecker> also my card is slightly overclocked
969 2011-02-11 11:45:29 <UukGoblin> still might want to check out pooled mining
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977 2011-02-11 12:20:28 <andrew12> noagendamarket: explain your nick.
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981 2011-02-11 12:23:20 <andrew12> RBecker: oh there you are
982 2011-02-11 12:23:22 <andrew12> :p
983 2011-02-11 12:23:27 <RBecker> haider
984 2011-02-11 12:23:37 <noagendamarket> andrew12 ?
985 2011-02-11 12:24:07 <andrew12> noagendamarket: how did you come up with your nick?
986 2011-02-11 12:24:44 <andrew12> nevermind. it doesn't matter.
987 2011-02-11 12:25:05 <noagendamarket> nothing exciting to tell
988 2011-02-11 12:25:05 <noagendamarket> are you 12 ?
989 2011-02-11 12:25:05 <noagendamarket> lol
990 2011-02-11 12:25:41 <noagendamarket> I think I posted it in the forum
991 2011-02-11 12:27:08 <andrew12> i was 11 when i made this nick
992 2011-02-11 12:27:25 <andrew12> i'm 14 now
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994 2011-02-11 12:28:30 <andrew12> hi mtgox
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997 2011-02-11 12:39:18 <GoGi2> how do you get an estimate for generating a block again?
998 2011-02-11 12:39:25 <GoGi2> of time needed?
999 2011-02-11 12:39:29 <GoGi2> ;;help
1000 2011-02-11 12:39:29 <gribble> The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/
1001 2011-02-11 12:39:45 <RBecker> GoGi2, ;;bc,calc <khash/s>
1002 2011-02-11 12:39:54 <GoGi2> ;;bc,calc 3000
1003 2011-02-11 12:39:55 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 3000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 1 year, 9 weeks, 2 days, 18 hours, 53 minutes, and 34 seconds
1004 2011-02-11 12:40:05 <GoGi2> argh
1005 2011-02-11 12:40:06 <Sirius> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3351.0
1006 2011-02-11 12:40:26 <Sirius> shamelessly advertising my thread
1007 2011-02-11 12:40:54 <comboy> who is author of mt gox?
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1010 2011-02-11 12:50:45 <edcba> mtgox
1011 2011-02-11 12:54:07 <noagendamarket> Sirius :o
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1022 2011-02-11 13:15:53 <GoGi2> some world government could demand that everyone pay 1% of their bitcoins every day to it
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1024 2011-02-11 13:18:56 <noagendamarket> yeah good luck with that
1025 2011-02-11 13:19:10 <gp5st1> GoGi2: ?
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1027 2011-02-11 13:19:37 <GoGi2> as every transactions can be seen easily it will be no problem to keep track of which money exactly is "black"
1028 2011-02-11 13:20:14 <gp5st1> not if you don't know who it's going to
1029 2011-02-11 13:20:17 <noagendamarket> no it wont. tey cant tell who sent money to who unless you publish
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1031 2011-02-11 13:20:35 <da2ce7> GoGi2, providing there is good mixing sites... such as mybitcoin.com
1032 2011-02-11 13:20:39 <da2ce7> there is no problem
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1034 2011-02-11 13:22:55 <da2ce7> the goverment must keep track of what bitcoin is 'clean'... and assume every other btc is dirty
1035 2011-02-11 13:23:11 <da2ce7> the goverment cannot keep track of dirty btc
1036 2011-02-11 13:23:44 <edcba> hmm
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1038 2011-02-11 13:23:49 <edcba> whitelisting bitcoins :)
1039 2011-02-11 13:24:31 <edcba> but you can't really do that
1040 2011-02-11 13:24:59 <GoGi2> why not?
1041 2011-02-11 13:25:07 <GoGi2> every bitcoin starts white
1042 2011-02-11 13:25:12 <edcba> as soon as gov is not receiver/sender every 2 transaction for same bitcoin
1043 2011-02-11 13:25:37 <GoGi2> and those who do not pay 1% at the 1. of a month to the government address
1044 2011-02-11 13:25:48 <GoGi2> are removed from the whitelist
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1046 2011-02-11 13:27:07 <edcba> ok but i don't see the purpose
1047 2011-02-11 13:27:41 <edcba> someone give me 50% of whitelisted bitcoin
1048 2011-02-11 13:27:43 <edcba> i don't pay
1049 2011-02-11 13:27:48 <edcba> it gets black
1050 2011-02-11 13:27:50 <edcba> now what ?
1051 2011-02-11 13:28:38 <GoGi2> now you are fined because it is illegal to accept non-whitelisted money
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1053 2011-02-11 13:28:44 <tcatm> have fun maintaining that whitelist :)
1054 2011-02-11 13:28:47 <noagendamarket> the governemnt cant find its ass in a snowstorm. How are they going to find a bitcoin address owner ?
1055 2011-02-11 13:28:52 <noagendamarket> lol
1056 2011-02-11 13:28:59 <edcba> Sirius: Central Europe is not an awnser to "Where in Europe ?"
1057 2011-02-11 13:29:07 <GoGi2> as soon as you do something with the money that needs your physical presence
1058 2011-02-11 13:29:09 <GoGi2> like boarding a plane
1059 2011-02-11 13:29:11 <noagendamarket> they cant even find a guy in a cave in the desert
1060 2011-02-11 13:29:19 <edcba> GoGi2: how could i be fined they don't know me
1061 2011-02-11 13:29:31 <noagendamarket> maybe we can hide our coins in a desert cave and well be ok
1062 2011-02-11 13:29:31 <edcba> they don't even know if i am from same country
1063 2011-02-11 13:29:38 <noagendamarket> lol
1064 2011-02-11 13:29:52 <GoGi2> remember I am assuming a world government
1065 2011-02-11 13:30:00 <edcba> oh
1066 2011-02-11 13:30:05 <tcatm> a TX can have two inputs and two outputs, all of equal amounts. how will you track that?
1067 2011-02-11 13:30:10 <GoGi2> but well in that case they will be able to do anything they want probably
1068 2011-02-11 13:30:21 <edcba> then you could directly encode that rule in the client
1069 2011-02-11 13:30:21 <tcatm> let's say one input is white, one is black
1070 2011-02-11 13:30:45 <GoGi2> tcatm: then everything is converted to black
1071 2011-02-11 13:30:56 <GoGi2> tcatm: you could say that is the fine for "accepting" black money
1072 2011-02-11 13:31:34 <edcba> the problem is you have to wait 1 month to know if money is black or white
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1077 2011-02-11 13:32:13 <GoGi2> edcba: why?
1078 2011-02-11 13:32:27 <edcba> because you don't know who will pay or not
1079 2011-02-11 13:32:32 <tcatm> GoGi2: how are you going to make that money white again (e.g. for paying the fine)?
1080 2011-02-11 13:33:05 <edcba> tcatm: all transactions having x% paid to gov too ends white
1081 2011-02-11 13:33:13 <tcatm> problem solved
1082 2011-02-11 13:33:31 <tcatm> many inputs, many outputs, one 0.01 BTC output to goverment that makes everything white
1083 2011-02-11 13:35:06 <GoGi2> you make it white by paying 1% of the total amount to gov
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1085 2011-02-11 13:35:11 <noagendamarket> What are we going to do about stevenbucks/sabbers character ?
1086 2011-02-11 13:35:16 <tcatm> also please remember, that the transaction history may be removed from the blockchain
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1088 2011-02-11 13:35:26 <noagendamarket> He keeps turning up and ripping off bitcoiners
1089 2011-02-11 13:35:35 <noagendamarket> Im going to start a bounty
1090 2011-02-11 13:35:43 <noagendamarket> to find out who he is
1091 2011-02-11 13:35:45 <noagendamarket> lol
1092 2011-02-11 13:36:44 <tcatm> GoGi2: you can't reject blacklisted coins either, that's another problem
1093 2011-02-11 13:36:50 <noagendamarket> you can change your name but not your character
1094 2011-02-11 13:37:23 <noagendamarket> messing around with an anonymous currency community is not a ngood idea.
1095 2011-02-11 13:38:07 <GoGi2> tcatm: I see
1096 2011-02-11 13:39:01 <UukGoblin> noagendamarket, what did he do?
1097 2011-02-11 13:39:26 <tcatm> also, once government does such a whitelist thing, bitcoin has already won
1098 2011-02-11 13:40:24 <GoGi2> of course
1099 2011-02-11 13:40:57 <UukGoblin> uh... whitelisting government black currency? what are you guys on about?
1100 2011-02-11 13:41:31 <tcatm> roughly talking about tracing coins
1101 2011-02-11 13:42:10 <UukGoblin> but.. making it illegal to accept some coins?
1102 2011-02-11 13:42:39 <tcatm> yep
1103 2011-02-11 13:42:40 <hundfred> coin-taggig ...
1104 2011-02-11 13:42:58 <hundfred> this coin was used for blablabla before?
1105 2011-02-11 13:43:20 <UukGoblin> that's insane
1106 2011-02-11 13:43:37 <molecular> like "there's blood on this money"?
1107 2011-02-11 13:43:47 <UukGoblin> someone could buy loads of bitcoins, make them black, and sell them
1108 2011-02-11 13:43:53 <hundfred> this coin was used for weapons?
1109 2011-02-11 13:44:03 <UukGoblin> before anyone realized they're black now
1110 2011-02-11 13:44:28 <bd_> UukGoblin: for that matter, sending a black coin to something like mybitcoin would ruin everyone's balances very quickly...
1111 2011-02-11 13:44:38 <UukGoblin> yeah
1112 2011-02-11 13:45:29 <molecular> while it's interesting to talk about this, _why_ again would we want the (world) government to get paid some tax bitcoins?
1113 2011-02-11 13:45:29 <tcatm> well you could instruct your client not to send black coins
1114 2011-02-11 13:45:44 <bd_> tcatm: assuming your client knows what's black >_>;
1115 2011-02-11 13:46:04 <UukGoblin> how would the coins turn from white to black?
1116 2011-02-11 13:46:32 <UukGoblin> by court order?
1117 2011-02-11 13:47:28 <molecular> wouldn't all bitcoins turn black once in governments hands? or would the government itself pay 1%?
1118 2011-02-11 13:47:51 <UukGoblin> Currency In Black <- that would make a good movie title
1119 2011-02-11 13:48:09 <molecular> and a weird halloween costume
1120 2011-02-11 13:48:13 <tcatm> what if you moved coins within your wallet (send to self, change tx)?
1121 2011-02-11 13:49:18 <UukGoblin> the whole concept of black money doesn't appeal to me
1122 2011-02-11 13:49:26 <UukGoblin> what would the real-world equivalent be?
1123 2011-02-11 13:49:59 <bd_> UukGoblin: marked bills?
1124 2011-02-11 13:50:14 <bd_> of course, marked bills don't expand to cover more and more currenct over time...
1125 2011-02-11 13:50:30 <UukGoblin> bd_, you mean banknotes on which someone wrote something with a pen?
1126 2011-02-11 13:50:53 <bd_> UukGoblin: No, I mean, where they've registered the serial number in a tracking database
1127 2011-02-11 13:52:40 <UukGoblin> ok... so... if a gangster paid for bread with a marked bill, and then I bought some soda in the same store and got the marked bill as change, should I be legally forced to not accept it?
1128 2011-02-11 13:52:48 <UukGoblin> fucking mental
1129 2011-02-11 13:54:32 <UukGoblin> and why does the value of bitcoin keep dropping...
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1131 2011-02-11 13:54:38 <UukGoblin> people, stop reducing the price!!11 ;-P
1132 2011-02-11 13:54:58 <UukGoblin> I demand more demand for bitcoin!
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1134 2011-02-11 13:57:06 <UukGoblin> hrm, mtgox charges 1.3% of each trade, cause it's 0.65% on each end...
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1136 2011-02-11 14:01:58 <pierre`> hi
1137 2011-02-11 14:06:05 <pierre`> does someone use bitcoins on a ps3 ? i got problem with the sha256.cpp source file, apparently it contains SS2 instructions.
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1139 2011-02-11 14:06:57 <edcba> just take some basic sha256 implementation
1140 2011-02-11 14:07:22 <tcatm> pierre`: sha256.cpp is x86 only
1141 2011-02-11 14:07:27 <pierre`> k, it's what i thought :)
1142 2011-02-11 14:08:09 <tcatm> just compile without 4way and use cryptopp
1143 2011-02-11 14:08:31 <tcatm> but be aware that a current sixcore CPU is faster than the ps3
1144 2011-02-11 14:08:41 <tcatm> and more power efficient
1145 2011-02-11 14:09:24 <UukGoblin> perhaps he wants client-only functionality?
1146 2011-02-11 14:09:36 <UukGoblin> i.e. porting the bitcoin client to ps3 would be nice ;-]
1147 2011-02-11 14:09:37 <pierre`> the ps3 is running 24/24 on a datacenter
1148 2011-02-11 14:09:40 <UukGoblin> ah
1149 2011-02-11 14:09:47 <UukGoblin> yeah, not very efficient to mine on ps3
1150 2011-02-11 14:10:07 <pierre`> tcatm: thanks for cryptopp
1151 2011-02-11 14:10:35 <UukGoblin> pierre`, are you from Japan? how much does power cost there?
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1153 2011-02-11 14:15:51 <pierre`> the ps3 is located in france
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1159 2011-02-11 14:26:43 <RobHu> Where can I find out how many bitcoins there are in existence?
1160 2011-02-11 14:27:09 <genjix> bitcoinwatch.com
1161 2011-02-11 14:27:33 <RobHu> Thank you
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1166 2011-02-11 14:31:49 <RobHu> Is there a way to find out how many bitcoins were sold in the last 24 hours or 30 days?
1167 2011-02-11 14:31:53 <RobHu> at an exchange I mean
1168 2011-02-11 14:32:06 <RobHu> I'm just trying to get a guesstimate.
1169 2011-02-11 14:32:49 <tcatm> bitcoincharts.com ? :)
1170 2011-02-11 14:33:41 <RobHu> tcatm: For USD for volume that says "3653.54", does that mean 3653.54 were sold in the alst 30 days?
1171 2011-02-11 14:34:45 <tcatm> 3653.54 BTC today (UTC)
1172 2011-02-11 14:34:59 <tcatm> or 3478 USD
1173 2011-02-11 14:35:37 <RobHu> thank you
1174 2011-02-11 14:35:47 <RobHu> That's just for Mt. Gox, or for other exchanges too?
1175 2011-02-11 14:37:50 <tcatm> bitcoincharts lists all exchanges
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1180 2011-02-11 14:48:52 <wsc9tt> not really sure why a password is used at all. Other people are welcome to mine using my account
1181 2011-02-11 14:49:33 <wsc9tt> I wonder how many people start mining with the example command lines on the bitpenny.com homepage. ;-)
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1183 2011-02-11 14:50:24 <wsc9tt> (wrong window)
1184 2011-02-11 14:51:13 <presence> ;;bc,calc 790000
1185 2011-02-11 14:51:14 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 790000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 1 day, 15 hours, 15 minutes, and 41 seconds
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1187 2011-02-11 14:58:06 <presence> so a btc takes 120 blocks (or 20 hours) to mature?
1188 2011-02-11 14:58:18 <presence> 50 btc generation that is
1189 2011-02-11 14:59:18 <xelister> presence: yes, this is time we assume is needed to be sure
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1192 2011-02-11 15:03:56 <genjix> anyone remember that bitcoin site double trouble?
1193 2011-02-11 15:03:59 <genjix> what's the link?
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1195 2011-02-11 15:05:16 <robzy> hey guys, how many bits is the block header that needs to be SHA256'd twice?
1196 2011-02-11 15:05:32 <robzy> i'm having trouble finding the specs for the block headers
1197 2011-02-11 15:05:37 <xelister> on boot I get: Out of disk. grub error. WTF IS THAT?
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1204 2011-02-11 15:19:05 <gwillen> So just to be sure: If someone sends me bitcoins while my node is not running, the software will automatically notice this the next time I run it, right? When it downloads the blocks it missed?
1205 2011-02-11 15:19:19 <UukGoblin> yes gwillen
1206 2011-02-11 15:19:26 <gwillen> awesome, thanks
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1221 2011-02-11 15:26:01 <akem> how do you use your bitcoin from one system to another?
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1225 2011-02-11 15:26:02 <akem> ha wallet backup i guess
1226 2011-02-11 15:26:13 <akem> cool
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1268 2011-02-11 15:38:41 <omglolbbq> anyone knows if something is wrong with MtGox owner?
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1270 2011-02-11 15:40:55 <UukGoblin> /something/ is ;-]
1271 2011-02-11 15:41:46 <omglolbbq> hmm
1272 2011-02-11 15:41:57 <omglolbbq> that sucks... since i would like to finaly get the money...
1273 2011-02-11 15:42:10 <omglolbbq> no reply since over a week
1274 2011-02-11 15:42:30 <tcatm> hm he had problems sending emails to me
1275 2011-02-11 15:43:26 <omglolbbq> ah i see heÅ in the channel
1276 2011-02-11 15:43:31 <omglolbbq> ill pm him here
1277 2011-02-11 15:43:34 <omglolbbq> see if that helps
1278 2011-02-11 15:43:45 <sipa1024> ;;bc,mtgox
1279 2011-02-11 15:43:45 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.0065,"low":0.8,"vol":9565,"buy":0.941,"sell":0.9699,"last":0.9699}}
1280 2011-02-11 15:45:00 <necrodearia> http://meta.witcoin.com/p/109/categories---for-now - Top twenty-nine categories will be created.
1281 2011-02-11 15:47:25 <UukGoblin> oh he is indeed
1282 2011-02-11 15:48:02 <UukGoblin> mtgox, is the API broken? curl -X POST -k 'https://mtgox.com/code/getFunds.php?name=goblin&pass=secret' gives me {"error":"Not logged in."}
1283 2011-02-11 15:48:23 <UukGoblin> password is definitely correct
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1286 2011-02-11 15:49:29 <UukGoblin> heh.
1287 2011-02-11 15:53:27 <omglolbbq> hmm
1288 2011-02-11 15:53:51 <presence> anyone ever get this error while compiling diablominer on linux?
1289 2011-02-11 15:54:00 <presence> Building build/debug/x86_64/BoxFilterGL
1290 2011-02-11 15:54:00 <presence> g++ -o build/debug/x86_64/BoxFilterGL build/debug/x86_64//BoxFilterGL.o build/debug/x86_64//BoxFilterGLSeparable.o build/debug/x86_64//BoxFilterGLSAT.o -lpthread -ldl -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lOpenCL -lSDKUtil -lglut -lGLEW -L../../../../../lib/x86_64 -L../../../../../TempSDKUtil/lib/x86_64
1291 2011-02-11 15:54:05 <presence> /usr/bin/ld: build/debug/x86_64//BoxFilterGLSeparable.o: undefined reference to symbol 'glOrtho'
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1293 2011-02-11 16:09:04 <UukGoblin> no, but I haven't compiled diablominer in a while
1294 2011-02-11 16:09:22 <UukGoblin> actually, I don't know if 'anyone'
1295 2011-02-11 16:09:28 <presence> this is really a problem getting the stream sdk to compile, not diablo :(
1296 2011-02-11 16:09:37 <UukGoblin> yeah looks like it
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1298 2011-02-11 16:10:59 <retsilex> liblwjgl.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32 (Possible cause: architecture word width mismatch)
1299 2011-02-11 16:11:08 <retsilex> in diablo miner. anyone knows wtf?
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1304 2011-02-11 16:21:05 <presence> you are on a 64 bit machine and have the 32 bit package installed?
1305 2011-02-11 16:22:32 <ArtForz> forgot to set DISPLAY?
1306 2011-02-11 16:24:56 <hacim> wow the quick blocks in the pool are weird
1307 2011-02-11 16:25:23 <hacim> 14 seconds, 28 seconds, 54 seconds all really recent
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1313 2011-02-11 16:44:41 <UukGoblin> yessss
1314 2011-02-11 16:44:43 <UukGoblin> back to $1
1315 2011-02-11 16:47:51 <luke-jr> I'll sell for $2
1316 2011-02-11 16:48:04 <UukGoblin> I'll sell for $1.99 then
1317 2011-02-11 16:48:29 <luke-jr> pfft
1318 2011-02-11 16:48:34 <luke-jr> then I'm offering $1.9899
1319 2011-02-11 16:48:34 <UukGoblin> and if you buy 10 000 you'll get 10 001th free
1320 2011-02-11 16:49:14 <luke-jr> my offer is equivalent to that, but they get the percentage off no matter what qty
1321 2011-02-11 16:49:17 <luke-jr> :D
1322 2011-02-11 16:49:47 <UukGoblin> damn you
1323 2011-02-11 16:50:36 <luke-jr> no
1324 2011-02-11 16:50:51 <necrodearia> I removed several of the restrictions at http://meta.witcoin.com/p/109/categories---for-now I'm surprised by all the demand.
1325 2011-02-11 16:51:29 <citiz3n> ;;bc,mtgox
1326 2011-02-11 16:51:29 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.0065,"low":0.91,"vol":10136,"buy":0.9401,"sell":1.0065,"last":1.0065}}
1327 2011-02-11 16:53:48 <x6763> how does bitcoin determine what to put in scriptSig? does it just check to see if scriptPubKey fits in some sort of pattern or what?
1328 2011-02-11 16:54:07 <presence> ;;bc,calc 313000
1329 2011-02-11 16:54:07 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 313000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 4 days, 3 hours, 5 minutes, and 41 seconds
1330 2011-02-11 16:54:18 <gwillen_> necrodearia: it would be useful if somewhere on the witcoin frontpage there were a "what is witcoin" link
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1332 2011-02-11 16:54:24 <gwillen_> I can sort of guess, but it's not really clear
1333 2011-02-11 16:54:43 <necrodearia> Documentation will come soon.
1334 2011-02-11 16:54:50 <gwillen_> *nods*
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1336 2011-02-11 16:54:59 <genjix> luke-jr: is that tonal? :p
1337 2011-02-11 16:55:43 <RBecker> ;;bc,blocks
1338 2011-02-11 16:55:43 <gribble> 107482
1339 2011-02-11 16:56:29 <luke-jr> genjix: ?
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1341 2011-02-11 16:56:34 <genjix> joke
1342 2011-02-11 16:56:40 <luke-jr> much better rates for TBC
1343 2011-02-11 16:57:47 <luke-jr> 1,0000 TBC (1 áµTBC) for $81.60 USD
1344 2011-02-11 16:58:25 <genjix> why don't you use abcdef instead of the funny symbols?
1345 2011-02-11 16:58:34 <luke-jr> genjix: abcdef are letters
1346 2011-02-11 16:58:39 <genjix> so?
1347 2011-02-11 16:58:47 <citiz3n> those symbols are hard to read
1348 2011-02-11 16:58:47 <genjix> 1a 2c .etc
1349 2011-02-11 16:59:02 <luke-jr> so if I say "a bitcoin", so I mean 1 or 0xa ?
1350 2011-02-11 16:59:07 <luke-jr> citiz3n: depends on your font
1351 2011-02-11 16:59:26 <genjix> 0xa = 10_10
1352 2011-02-11 16:59:35 <luke-jr> 012345678î§9î§î§î§î§î§ are fine to read with Console font
1353 2011-02-11 16:59:37 <UukGoblin> ugh
1354 2011-02-11 16:59:42 <genjix> not here :p
1355 2011-02-11 16:59:43 <UukGoblin> 1,0000 is soo confusing
1356 2011-02-11 16:59:49 <genjix> 012345678î§9î§î§î§î§î§
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1358 2011-02-11 16:59:55 <presence> not this again
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1360 2011-02-11 17:00:08 <Mango-chan> 4th President of Egypt
1361 2011-02-11 17:00:09 <Mango-chan> In office
1362 2011-02-11 17:00:09 <Mango-chan> 14 October 1981 â 11 February 2011
1363 2011-02-11 17:00:10 <genjix> hey gavinandresen
1364 2011-02-11 17:00:12 <luke-jr> UukGoblin: 42.94967296 BTC
1365 2011-02-11 17:00:20 <gavinandresen> hey genjix
1366 2011-02-11 17:00:22 <genjix> Mango-chan: cool :)
1367 2011-02-11 17:00:22 <citiz3n> anyone know if the 6990s really are going to have like 3800 stream procs?
1368 2011-02-11 17:00:26 <presence> 30 years was too long
1369 2011-02-11 17:00:38 <Mango-chan> citiz3n
1370 2011-02-11 17:00:42 <Mango-chan> 6990s are still just a rumor
1371 2011-02-11 17:00:53 <citiz3n> that's too bad
1372 2011-02-11 17:02:55 <x6763> gavinandresen: when creating a transaction how does bitcoin determine what to put in scriptSig? does it just check to see if scriptPubKey matches a pattern or does it just try the few ways it can make a scriptSig until it finds one that validates?
1373 2011-02-11 17:05:10 <gavinandresen> If I recall correctly, it pattern-matches scriptPubKey
1374 2011-02-11 17:05:18 <retsilex> luke-jr: I see usually all glyphs, but this ones do not work for me
1375 2011-02-11 17:05:36 <retsilex> would you guys like to order 5970's ?
1376 2011-02-11 17:05:43 <x6763> gavinandresen: cool, thanks
1377 2011-02-11 17:05:43 <gavinandresen> yeah, see script.cpp, the Solver method
1378 2011-02-11 17:05:55 <x6763> gavinandresen: ok, thanks
1379 2011-02-11 17:06:04 <Mango-chan> retsilex do you sell some
1380 2011-02-11 17:06:05 <Mango-chan> ?
1381 2011-02-11 17:06:06 <UukGoblin> retsilex, potentially, what's the price?
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1383 2011-02-11 17:06:46 <xelister> UukGoblin: not sure yet, the idea is to order by hand fron China to EU and then distribute around
1384 2011-02-11 17:07:12 <UukGoblin> if it's less than ~$350 inc shipping I might be up for it
1385 2011-02-11 17:07:22 <hacim> pool down
1386 2011-02-11 17:07:28 <Mango-chan> xelister how much is it from china
1387 2011-02-11 17:08:39 <luke-jr> xelister: what font do you use?
1388 2011-02-11 17:09:26 <luke-jr> xelister: I would want to see how the current Slashdotting affects difficulty, before I commit.
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1390 2011-02-11 17:10:34 <Mango-chan> xelister
1391 2011-02-11 17:10:35 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,stats
1392 2011-02-11 17:10:37 <gribble> Current Blocks: 107487 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 1376 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 13 hours, 10 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32952.28338844
1393 2011-02-11 17:10:39 <Mango-chan> they sell them for 600 usd
1394 2011-02-11 17:10:40 <Mango-chan> in china
1395 2011-02-11 17:10:43 <Mango-chan> how are you going to make a profit
1396 2011-02-11 17:10:44 <Mango-chan> idgi
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1398 2011-02-11 17:10:51 <Mango-chan> cheapest one is 3.7k rmb
1399 2011-02-11 17:10:55 <UukGoblin> next iteration will exceed 40k diff, say I.
1400 2011-02-11 17:10:55 <Mango-chan> which is ~ 600usd
1401 2011-02-11 17:11:14 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 560000 40000
1402 2011-02-11 17:11:15 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 560000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 40000, is 3 days, 13 hours, 13 minutes, and 3 seconds
1403 2011-02-11 17:11:34 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 560000 25000
1404 2011-02-11 17:11:35 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 560000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 25000, is 2 days, 5 hours, 15 minutes, and 39 seconds
1405 2011-02-11 17:11:40 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 265000 40000
1406 2011-02-11 17:11:40 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 265000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 40000, is 1 week, 0 days, 12 hours, 4 minutes, and 56 seconds
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1412 2011-02-11 17:12:23 <Mango-chan> ;;bc,calcd 40000000 40000
1413 2011-02-11 17:12:23 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 40000000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 40000, is 1 hour, 11 minutes, and 34 seconds
1414 2011-02-11 17:12:34 <Mango-chan> ;;bc,calcd 45000000 40000
1415 2011-02-11 17:12:34 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 45000000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 40000, is 1 hour, 3 minutes, and 37 seconds
1416 2011-02-11 17:12:36 <Mango-chan> dongs
1417 2011-02-11 17:12:37 <Mango-chan> fuck
1418 2011-02-11 17:12:38 <Mango-chan> brb
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1420 2011-02-11 17:13:27 <Luke__> Hi everyone... just wondering... has much changed since the $1 parity story was slashdotted?
1421 2011-02-11 17:13:48 <Luke__> I must admit, I'd heard of bitcoin but I wasn't really interested until I read that story
1422 2011-02-11 17:14:55 <Kiba> hello
1423 2011-02-11 17:14:57 <Luke__> Is this the wrong place to ask these questions?
1424 2011-02-11 17:15:02 <Kiba> ask away
1425 2011-02-11 17:15:03 <Luke__> Hi kiba
1426 2011-02-11 17:15:22 <Luke__> I just did, did you just join
1427 2011-02-11 17:15:25 <Luke__> I just did, did you just join?
1428 2011-02-11 17:15:26 <Kiba> no
1429 2011-02-11 17:15:48 <Luke__> My question, has much changed since the $1 parity story was slashdotted?
1430 2011-02-11 17:16:05 <Kiba> more good and services
1431 2011-02-11 17:16:14 <Kiba> err..not yet..
1432 2011-02-11 17:16:23 <Kiba> not much
1433 2011-02-11 17:16:34 <Kiba> other than a bigger community
1434 2011-02-11 17:17:19 <luke-jr> bigger? really?
1435 2011-02-11 17:17:24 <luke-jr> I noticed a whole 2 more people join
1436 2011-02-11 17:17:42 <Kiba> luke-jr: it take times for new members to set in
1437 2011-02-11 17:18:11 <Kiba> for one thing, there were more registration than usual than yesterday
1438 2011-02-11 17:18:16 <Kiba> they're not going to be well known
1439 2011-02-11 17:19:03 <Kiba> registration climbed to 65 today
1440 2011-02-11 17:19:17 <Luke__> registrations on which site?
1441 2011-02-11 17:19:21 <Kiba> the forum
1442 2011-02-11 17:19:35 <citiz3n> 65 new people today?
1443 2011-02-11 17:19:46 <Luke__> ahh I see
1444 2011-02-11 17:19:48 <Kiba> some of them are spam accounts
1445 2011-02-11 17:20:28 <Luke__> Just made that 66...
1446 2011-02-11 17:20:49 <genjix> use the force
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1448 2011-02-11 17:21:45 <luke-jr> MtGox is back to .94 today
1449 2011-02-11 17:21:52 <luke-jr> but Market's up over $1 still
1450 2011-02-11 17:22:37 <Kiba> .9997
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1452 2011-02-11 17:23:12 <Kiba> it's interesting how bitcoinmarket and mtgox tracks each other
1453 2011-02-11 17:24:09 <genjix> MT`AwAy: check your PM
1454 2011-02-11 17:25:53 <hacim> alright so what is the pool 'score'
1455 2011-02-11 17:27:24 <genjix> Kiba: not really considering bots are equalising the trade price
1456 2011-02-11 17:29:41 <gavinandresen> Anybody here know something about NSIS installer scripts?
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1459 2011-02-11 17:35:58 <genjix> gavinandresen: nanotube does
1460 2011-02-11 17:36:23 <nanotube> gavinandresen: /me does
1461 2011-02-11 17:36:27 <genjix> nanotube: how did that package go btw?
1462 2011-02-11 17:36:40 <nanotube> by know something i mean... i've written some a ways back.
1463 2011-02-11 17:37:02 <nanotube> genjix: what package? did i miss something?
1464 2011-02-11 17:37:23 <gavinandresen> Ah! Excellent! So I've compiled a Windoze bitcoin 0.3.20 with the visual c++ toolchain. It even works!
1465 2011-02-11 17:37:24 <genjix> yesterday I linked you that program.... did you miss it?
1466 2011-02-11 17:37:41 <UukGoblin> 0.3.20?
1467 2011-02-11 17:37:53 <gavinandresen> But... it links against the VC++ msvcrt100.dll
1468 2011-02-11 17:38:53 <luke-jr> afaik that's unavoidable
1469 2011-02-11 17:39:03 <genjix> nanotube: http://uploading.com/files/done/22d8bf19 ... dependencies: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/wiki/PySide_Binaries_Windows and http://python.org/ (make sure versions match) & bitcoind
1470 2011-02-11 17:39:05 <gavinandresen> ... which opens up a little can of worms. I've been looking for a SIMPLE, boilerplate "here's what to do to your NSIS install script to properly ship the microsoft redistributables with your app" and haven't found it yet
1471 2011-02-11 17:39:32 * UukGoblin sucks with windoze
1472 2011-02-11 17:40:16 <genjix> UukGoblin: tell me about it :p
1473 2011-02-11 17:40:22 <genjix> i feel like a new user
1474 2011-02-11 17:41:04 <nanotube> genjix: ah, ok, i'll give that a whirl with py2exe over the weekend.
1475 2011-02-11 17:41:09 <genjix> thanks
1476 2011-02-11 17:41:14 <nanotube> gavinandresen: not sure about the legal bits of redistributing ms dlls
1477 2011-02-11 17:41:19 <nanotube> i'm no lawyer
1478 2011-02-11 17:41:21 <genjix> if you give me instructions then i will learn how to do it
1479 2011-02-11 17:41:36 <genjix> teach a man to fish
1480 2011-02-11 17:41:45 <gavinandresen> nanotube: 100% legal (can't redistribute the debug DLLs, the release ones are fine)
1481 2011-02-11 17:42:01 <nanotube> gavinandresen: well then, you should be able to tell nsis to pull that one in
1482 2011-02-11 17:42:08 <nanotube> the technical side is no prob.
1483 2011-02-11 17:42:11 <gavinandresen> Right. How?
1484 2011-02-11 17:42:24 <gavinandresen> (I'm trying to learn as little NSIS as possible)
1485 2011-02-11 17:43:11 <luke-jr> File "msvcrt100.dll"
1486 2011-02-11 17:43:16 <luke-jr> NSIS is worth learning IMO
1487 2011-02-11 17:43:32 <luke-jr> it even supports Linux (building on)
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1489 2011-02-11 17:43:50 <nanotube> genjix: basically, you install py2exe, and make a setup.py file according to py2exe instructions. then run "python setup.py py2exe"... and magic happens. :)
1490 2011-02-11 17:44:49 <genjix> 1. install py2exe 2. do something 3. run py2exe XD ... great
1491 2011-02-11 17:45:00 <nanotube> genjix: let me give you some links.
1492 2011-02-11 17:45:01 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: File will put the file... where? Does it magically do all the windows side-by-side system DLL magic stuff?
1493 2011-02-11 17:45:03 <nanotube> genjix: http://www.py2exe.org/index.cgi/Tutorial
1494 2011-02-11 17:45:24 <nanotube> genjix: and here's a setup.py for one of my projects using py2exe: http://pykeylogger.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=pykeylogger/pykeylogger;a=blob_plain;f=setup.py;hb=dfe1ef39852c9f7b9737713016917b4d634e1b5c
1495 2011-02-11 17:45:27 <xelister> UukGoblin: windows is competing with Ati drivers team at the "Who can suck donkey's cock the most" competition
1496 2011-02-11 17:45:39 <UukGoblin> oh... a question: if I send out an oversized transaction without paying appropriate fees and then my bitcoind will generate, will it include its own transaction in the block?
1497 2011-02-11 17:46:15 <UukGoblin> xelister, and who's winning?
1498 2011-02-11 17:48:05 <genjix> a keylogger in python? didn't know that was possible
1499 2011-02-11 17:49:09 <nanotube> gavinandresen: http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Docs/Chapter4.html#4.9.1.5
1500 2011-02-11 17:49:22 <nanotube> gavinandresen: file will take the file you specify, and mark it for placement into current $OUTDIR
1501 2011-02-11 17:49:42 <nanotube> so you can either have it place the dll right next to the exe... or set your $OUTDIR to some windows system location.
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1503 2011-02-11 17:50:02 <BlueMatt> does anyone know if time newsham is active on the forums or on irc, and if so what his u/n is (the maker of the thenewsh.com chart)
1504 2011-02-11 17:50:04 <echelon> woah.. lots of new tor hidden service fallback nodes
1505 2011-02-11 17:50:15 <nanotube> gavinandresen: to avoid complications with differences with various windows releases... maybe better to just stick it next to exe? /me doesn't really recall if that works in windows hehe
1506 2011-02-11 17:50:39 <gavinandresen> nanotube: thanks, from what I've read that'll work but it's not the "right" way to do it.
1507 2011-02-11 17:50:42 <nanotube> genjix: yes it's possible. :) since python can link to c libs haha :) though the linux side works using xlib.
1508 2011-02-11 17:57:15 <nanotube> gavinandresen: well yea :) but all that said... if you require writing to C:\system32 (or whatever it was), you need admin privs.
1509 2011-02-11 17:57:15 <nanotube> maybe we don't want to require admin privs to just stick an executable into $location via installer.
1510 2011-02-11 17:57:16 <gavinandresen> nanotube: no, we don't.
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1512 2011-02-11 17:57:17 <nanotube> gavinandresen: well then sticking it into the dir along with the rest of the binaries should be "just fine (tm)"
1513 2011-02-11 17:57:17 <nanotube> so just put in the file directive along with the others, pointing to the dll
1514 2011-02-11 17:57:18 <gavinandresen> nanotube: That what I'll do. I'll let somebody else do the complicated thing I saw (in a blog post that I can no longer find) that involved calling the Windows API to ask it to install them if it didn't already have them....
1515 2011-02-11 17:57:18 <nanotube> hehe yea, sounds like "a lot of work for approximately zero gain"
1516 2011-02-11 17:57:56 <gavinandresen> Well, the gain would be if there was a security-related bug in one of the DLLs that microsoft fixed, windows update would do the right thing.
1517 2011-02-11 17:58:04 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: never hurts to put the DLL in the app dir
1518 2011-02-11 17:58:08 <BlueMatt> on bitcoinmarket.com's apis what does confirmed/unconfirmed mean?
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1520 2011-02-11 17:58:23 <nanotube> gavinandresen: ah i see. true, i suppose.
1521 2011-02-11 17:59:21 <nanotube> gavinandresen: feel free also to take a look at my nsis file for one of my projects. it's pretty well commented, may be helpful: http://pykeylogger.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=pykeylogger/pykeylogger;a=blob_plain;f=pykeylogger_install_script.nsi;hb=dfe1ef39852c9f7b9737713016917b4d634e1b5c
1522 2011-02-11 18:00:26 <genjix> gavinandresen: btw i saw that .20 rpc server boots up much quicker than in .19
1523 2011-02-11 18:00:36 <genjix> good job
1524 2011-02-11 18:00:46 <genjix> is it possible to make it instant?
1525 2011-02-11 18:01:33 <gavinandresen> genjix: thank dooglus, I think he found some db optimizations that made it faster
1526 2011-02-11 18:01:50 <genjix> cool
1527 2011-02-11 18:02:03 <gavinandresen> Optimizing startup more would be a very good thing. I hope somebody works on that.
1528 2011-02-11 18:02:14 <genjix> how does bitcoin lock the directory?
1529 2011-02-11 18:02:31 <gavinandresen> boost::file_lock
1530 2011-02-11 18:02:57 <jgarzik> lots of 500 server errors from slush's pool
1531 2011-02-11 18:03:06 <luke-jr> btw, should we maybe consider bundling a GPU miner with the next minor/major version?
1532 2011-02-11 18:03:09 <genjix> ok so can I just check for .bitcoin/.lock file exists to see whether bitcoin is running or not?
1533 2011-02-11 18:03:23 <luke-jr> jgarzik: try OneFixt's yet? maybe a good time to
1534 2011-02-11 18:03:24 <genjix> so that I know bitcoind is running but rpc hasn't started yet
1535 2011-02-11 18:04:08 <genjix> actually not sure how that file works :p
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1540 2011-02-11 18:06:11 <nanotube> genjix: probably best to try try running 'bitcoind getinfo' and go on the status of that. because if comp hard-crashed, the .lock file may remain
1541 2011-02-11 18:06:37 <bk128> The only file I need to back up to keep my coins is my wallet.dat, right?
1542 2011-02-11 18:06:40 <luke-jr> nanotube: genjix wants to know if it's loading
1543 2011-02-11 18:06:50 <genjix> yep
1544 2011-02-11 18:06:54 <bk128> thanks
1545 2011-02-11 18:07:01 <luke-jr> perhaps bitcoind should bind the RPC socket before anything else?
1546 2011-02-11 18:07:09 <nanotube> luke-jr: aah ok
1547 2011-02-11 18:07:11 <bk128> I wonder how many bitcoins have been lost forever
1548 2011-02-11 18:07:22 <genjix> actually meant yep to luke-jr but bk128 works too :)
1549 2011-02-11 18:07:27 <nanotube> bk128: probably a million or so, easily
1550 2011-02-11 18:07:28 <luke-jr> bk128: note, that you need to re-backup every 100 transactions or so
1551 2011-02-11 18:07:35 <nanotube> ;;bc,wiki securing your wallet
1552 2011-02-11 18:07:35 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Securing_your_wallet | 30 Jan 2011 ... In the case that your current wallet hasn't been protected adequately (e.g. put online with a weaker password): Making a new secure wallet, ...
1553 2011-02-11 18:07:37 <nanotube> bk128: --^
1554 2011-02-11 18:08:05 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: You could use either the /MT or the /MTd option to cl.exe. In this case, you will have no dependency on the msvcrt DLL, and therefore you will not have to redistribute it.
1555 2011-02-11 18:08:09 <bk128> thanks, will read. I wonder how many people are kicking themselves now for formatting or something without saving their wallet
1556 2011-02-11 18:09:25 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: even better, I'll try that
1557 2011-02-11 18:09:52 <genjix> gavinandresen: can we move CreateThread(ThreadRPCServer, NULL) to the very beginning?
1558 2011-02-11 18:10:04 <gavinandresen> genjix: who is "we" ?
1559 2011-02-11 18:10:10 <genjix> bitcoin
1560 2011-02-11 18:10:19 <gavinandresen> bitcoin can't move anything....
1561 2011-02-11 18:10:35 <luke-jr> genjix: I think he means TIAS
1562 2011-02-11 18:10:35 <wsc9tt> not that the shell script on that securing page doesn't actually work. (wiki ate the formatting)
1563 2011-02-11 18:10:53 <jgarzik> genjix: move it to ThreadSocketHandler() and add select(2) support. Then you can delete the RPC thread altogether.
1564 2011-02-11 18:11:03 <gavinandresen> No, really, if you want something, then open an issue at github and/or recruit somebody to code it for you
1565 2011-02-11 18:11:11 <luke-jr> jgarzik++
1566 2011-02-11 18:11:24 <gavinandresen> And if you REALLY want something, implement it, get a few people to help test it, then submit a patch
1567 2011-02-11 18:11:38 <luke-jr> s/patch/pull req
1568 2011-02-11 18:11:46 <genjix> it looks like a single 2 line change
1569 2011-02-11 18:11:47 <gavinandresen> right, pull request
1570 2011-02-11 18:12:01 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: speaking of which, is git still .20 or is it time to merge .21 stuff?
1571 2011-02-11 18:12:10 <gavinandresen> genjix: uh-huh.....
1572 2011-02-11 18:12:35 <gavinandresen> No merging until at LEAST a couple days after .20 has been the official download
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1574 2011-02-11 18:14:42 <Kiba> gavinandresen: when is Satoshi coming back?
1575 2011-02-11 18:14:53 <genjix> lol
1576 2011-02-11 18:15:00 <genjix> why would he know?
1577 2011-02-11 18:16:07 <Kiba> because he's missing all the fun!
1578 2011-02-11 18:17:05 <luke-jr> Kiba: you assume he will
1579 2011-02-11 18:17:11 <bk128> are cuda/ opencl miners ever going to be integrated into the official client?
1580 2011-02-11 18:17:46 <luke-jr> Kiba: he's probably slowly doing laundry with his bitcoins, so that nobody can trace Satoshi to his real person
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1582 2011-02-11 18:18:30 <luke-jr> bk128: who makes it official?
1583 2011-02-11 18:18:50 <luke-jr> bk128: it seems obvious to me that the future of bitcoin has separate wallet, GUI, and miner
1584 2011-02-11 18:19:16 <luke-jr> with competing-but-equal software packages for all 3 parts
1585 2011-02-11 18:19:22 <bk128> I thought the clients @ http://www.bitcoin.org/ were kind of the "official" ones
1586 2011-02-11 18:19:42 <luke-jr> it is currently the only working one, and the original one
1587 2011-02-11 18:19:51 <luke-jr> but bitcoin has no central authority to make things official
1588 2011-02-11 18:20:08 <bk128> okay
1589 2011-02-11 18:20:23 <luke-jr> bitcoin.org is a website; if it goes down, bitcoin continues on as normal
1590 2011-02-11 18:20:32 <bk128> I understand that part.
1591 2011-02-11 18:21:00 <bk128> I just need to read up on all that's changed since I generated last year with my cpu
1592 2011-02-11 18:21:12 <bk128> so how much does it cost for a decent video card now that will generate once every few days?
1593 2011-02-11 18:21:20 <bk128> ATI preferred now?
1594 2011-02-11 18:21:29 <luke-jr> bk128: ATI has always been preferred afaik
1595 2011-02-11 18:21:30 <gavinandresen> bk128: no, it is unlikely the 'official' client will add GPU mining.
1596 2011-02-11 18:21:53 <luke-jr> bk128: right now, my 5850 should do a block every few days
1597 2011-02-11 18:22:04 <luke-jr> but given some of the predictions of the next difficulty, that will become a week
1598 2011-02-11 18:22:17 <bk128> is that relatively easy to set up? the gpu miner is publicly available or you wrote it yourself?
1599 2011-02-11 18:22:27 <luke-jr> I'm using a public one
1600 2011-02-11 18:22:59 <luke-jr> the difficulty is isolating it from your real GPU
1601 2011-02-11 18:23:03 <bk128> wow those are a little expensive. I'd have to sell all my bitcoins to buy one :(
1602 2011-02-11 18:23:12 <luke-jr> because you can't really mine AND use-for-output the same video card
1603 2011-02-11 18:23:23 <luke-jr> I got 5850 for only $161
1604 2011-02-11 18:23:39 <luke-jr> expensive is 5970, for $1000
1605 2011-02-11 18:23:49 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: .... so compiling /MT m eans compiling EVERYTHING /MT...... somebody please shoot me now....
1606 2011-02-11 18:23:54 <bk128> how many khash/sec on each of those?
1607 2011-02-11 18:24:07 <luke-jr> bk128: 560 MH/s
1608 2011-02-11 18:24:12 <bk128> or what's the "best value"
1609 2011-02-11 18:24:13 <luke-jr> 265 MH/s on 5850
1610 2011-02-11 18:24:31 <luke-jr> 5970 is best value
1611 2011-02-11 18:24:43 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: disappointing :/ maybe command line help offering a "just /MT this one lib"
1612 2011-02-11 18:25:04 <bk128> how? it costs like 5* as much and gets only a little over 2* the hash rate
1613 2011-02-11 18:25:19 <luke-jr> bk128: power usage
1614 2011-02-11 18:25:26 <bk128> hahaha
1615 2011-02-11 18:25:40 <luke-jr> most people pay electric bills
1616 2011-02-11 18:25:43 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: yeah.... I'm going to go with ship the dlls alongside the executable for this release.
1617 2011-02-11 18:25:54 <ArtForz> $1000? what are you smoking?
1618 2011-02-11 18:26:11 <luke-jr> the price fluxuates :p
1619 2011-02-11 18:26:18 <bk128> yeah. so do you have integrated video that you hook to a monitor? or just remote desktop/ssh/vnc it?
1620 2011-02-11 18:26:22 <luke-jr> one day it was $600, then $900, then $1000
1621 2011-02-11 18:26:27 <ArtForz> err. no.
1622 2011-02-11 18:26:42 <luke-jr> bk128: I use my Intel Graphics HD 2000 for usage
1623 2011-02-11 18:26:44 <ArtForz> the $1000 ones are 5870x2s
1624 2011-02-11 18:26:58 <luke-jr> bk128: when I want to play PS2 games (the only ones that require the Radeon), I shut off the miner, then VNC to it âº
1625 2011-02-11 18:27:05 <ArtForz> 5970 is usually between 600 and 700
1626 2011-02-11 18:27:16 <luke-jr> ArtForz: isn't 5970 = 5870x2?
1627 2011-02-11 18:27:26 <ArtForz> no
1628 2011-02-11 18:27:29 <luke-jr> o
1629 2011-02-11 18:27:33 <bk128> ArtForz: are you still running like 10 gpu's?
1630 2011-02-11 18:27:38 <ArtForz> 10?
1631 2011-02-11 18:27:41 <luke-jr> LOLOL
1632 2011-02-11 18:27:44 <ArtForz> more like 52
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1634 2011-02-11 18:27:53 <bk128> WHAT
1635 2011-02-11 18:28:06 <bk128> bitcoin billionaire?
1636 2011-02-11 18:28:15 <luke-jr> bk128: that's impossible
1637 2011-02-11 18:28:23 <luke-jr> there's only 21 million bitcoins ever. only 5 million today.
1638 2011-02-11 18:28:29 <bk128> right. millionaire?
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1640 2011-02-11 18:29:45 <luke-jr> ArtForz: you get like $15k per week, right?
1641 2011-02-11 18:29:56 <bk128> haha
1642 2011-02-11 18:30:21 <luke-jr> ArtForz: ⦠do you have a job? XD
1643 2011-02-11 18:30:37 * luke-jr would quit all jobs if he made that much mining
1644 2011-02-11 18:31:10 <afed> i think it would be obvious if someone were selling 15000 bitcoins a week
1645 2011-02-11 18:31:12 <afed> the market isn't that big
1646 2011-02-11 18:31:16 <bk128> IRS audit lol
1647 2011-02-11 18:31:23 <luke-jr> true
1648 2011-02-11 18:31:38 <afed> bk128: yeah i can't wait to try and convince a government agent of the source of my income
1649 2011-02-11 18:31:54 <ArtForz> nah, only like 5000 a week
1650 2011-02-11 18:32:09 <luke-jr> ArtForz: I thought you were a third of the network?
1651 2011-02-11 18:32:09 <bk128> my net bitcoin worth is 270 coins
1652 2011-02-11 18:32:18 <luke-jr> bk128: I have 200 atm
1653 2011-02-11 18:32:26 <bk128> did you just sell them all?
1654 2011-02-11 18:32:37 <ArtForz> luke-jr: used to, not anymore
1655 2011-02-11 18:32:38 <luke-jr> nope, just bought more
1656 2011-02-11 18:33:59 <bk128> I bought 100 on 7/16/2010 for $4.95. the other 150 i generated on my core2duo last year
1657 2011-02-11 18:34:20 <luke-jr> nice
1658 2011-02-11 18:34:24 <ArtForz> hopefully I'll have another 20Gh/s coming online next week
1659 2011-02-11 18:34:37 <bk128> are you adding more gpu's?
1660 2011-02-11 18:34:42 <ArtForz> nope, ASICs
1661 2011-02-11 18:34:46 <luke-jr> bk128: ArtForz is having custom hardware built now :P
1662 2011-02-11 18:34:50 <bk128> :(
1663 2011-02-11 18:34:52 <ArtForz> 1/10 the power usage of GPUs
1664 2011-02-11 18:34:58 <afed> what will these cost
1665 2011-02-11 18:35:40 <ArtForz> thanks to upfront costs, 20Gh/s cost me about $50k
1666 2011-02-11 18:36:01 <afed> that strikes me as not very many hashes for that price
1667 2011-02-11 18:36:31 <afed> how long will it take for the power savings to recover the cost?
1668 2011-02-11 18:36:33 <ArtForz> man upfront costs
1669 2011-02-11 18:36:51 <ArtForz> next won't cost much more than GPUs per hash
1670 2011-02-11 18:36:57 <bk128> how much does it cost to get asics fabbed?
1671 2011-02-11 18:37:14 <ArtForz> and I can pack 6.4Gh/s in 1U
1672 2011-02-11 18:37:48 <afed> i think what everyone wants to know is, will you sell these to others to help recoup your costs
1673 2011-02-11 18:39:17 <luke-jr> afed: when he has something better ;P
1674 2011-02-11 18:39:41 <ArtForz> it'll take a while before something better becomes economical
1675 2011-02-11 18:39:52 <bk128> won't this ridiculous increase in difficulty reduce interest in bitcoin (since normal people can't generate with cpu's) and actually devalue the currency?
1676 2011-02-11 18:40:14 <afed> no
1677 2011-02-11 18:40:16 <ArtForz> hmmm... no.
1678 2011-02-11 18:40:17 <luke-jr> bk128: it's already impossible to generate with CPUs
1679 2011-02-11 18:40:21 <RBecker> ;;bc,stats
1680 2011-02-11 18:40:22 <afed> difficulty regulates production
1681 2011-02-11 18:40:22 <gribble> Current Blocks: 107499 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 1364 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 11 hours, 12 minutes, and 52 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 33046.85728355
1682 2011-02-11 18:40:28 <luke-jr> bk128: and the point of bitcoin is NOT to generate
1683 2011-02-11 18:40:32 <ArtForz> well, not impossible, just very unlikely
1684 2011-02-11 18:40:32 <afed> but we should still find the limit of the market at some point
1685 2011-02-11 18:40:37 <bk128> I know.
1686 2011-02-11 18:40:53 <RBecker> anyone have the link for the approximate GPU hash speed page?
1687 2011-02-11 18:41:05 <afed> eventually, the speculators who are buying all the bitcoins we're selling will have all the bitcoins they need and no more dollars
1688 2011-02-11 18:41:31 <afed> the price will fall as they slow down buying and the miners glut the supply
1689 2011-02-11 18:41:34 <bk128> I was just thinking more people would get interested in bitcoin if they could just fire up a client and generate in a few days. and the more people that are interested and desire having bitcoins, the more they're worth
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1691 2011-02-11 18:41:58 <afed> bk128: well they cant
1692 2011-02-11 18:42:06 <luke-jr> bk128: for the fastest CPU:
1693 2011-02-11 18:42:07 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 10000
1694 2011-02-11 18:42:08 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 10000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 18 weeks, 3 days, 5 hours, 40 minutes, and 4 seconds
1695 2011-02-11 18:42:08 <afed> restart the bitcoin faucet
1696 2011-02-11 18:42:09 <echelon> 11 active tor hidden service fallback nodes :)
1697 2011-02-11 18:42:10 <bk128> i know. not anymore :)
1698 2011-02-11 18:42:27 <bk128> facuet still running, right?
1699 2011-02-11 18:42:33 <luke-jr> yes, but only 0.05 BTC now
1700 2011-02-11 18:42:34 <bk128> just .05 btc now
1701 2011-02-11 18:42:39 <bk128> lol
1702 2011-02-11 18:42:41 <echelon> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Fallback_Nodes#Tor_nodes
1703 2011-02-11 18:42:56 <luke-jr> bk128: my new i5-2400 gets 4.5 MH/s + 600 kH/s
1704 2011-02-11 18:44:46 <RBecker> ;;bc,calc 89780
1705 2011-02-11 18:44:47 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 89780 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 2 weeks, 0 days, 9 hours, 28 minutes, and 27 seconds
1706 2011-02-11 18:45:32 <RBecker> ;;bc,calc 101280
1707 2011-02-11 18:45:33 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 101280 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 1 week, 5 days, 18 hours, 14 minutes, and 48 seconds
1708 2011-02-11 18:45:43 <bk128> will a gpu get more mhash/sec in a core i vs. a core 2?
1709 2011-02-11 18:46:12 <luke-jr> bk128: dunno about Core2 vs the first generation i5s
1710 2011-02-11 18:46:24 <ArtForz> ;;bc,calc 24370000
1711 2011-02-11 18:46:24 <luke-jr> but there's a huge gap between 1st gen i5 and Sandy Bridge i5
1712 2011-02-11 18:46:25 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 24370000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 1 hour, 16 minutes, and 21 seconds
1713 2011-02-11 18:46:26 <bk128> I'm trying to figure out if I can just buy a new power supply and a 5850 and a new psu or if I need to upgrade my whole system
1714 2011-02-11 18:46:44 <luke-jr> bk128: CPU doesn't affect GPU mining
1715 2011-02-11 18:47:00 <bk128> good. thanks
1716 2011-02-11 18:47:45 <comboy> ArtForz: these ASICs, FPGA?
1717 2011-02-11 18:47:51 <luke-jr> bk128: besides, you *can't* get a SB i5 anymore :P
1718 2011-02-11 18:48:00 <ArtForz> nah, thats my current GPU farm
1719 2011-02-11 18:48:10 <bk128> recalled?
1720 2011-02-11 18:48:13 <luke-jr> yep
1721 2011-02-11 18:48:23 <comboy> current gpu farm? fpga?
1722 2011-02-11 18:48:47 <jgarzik> I believe that ATI GPUs are ASIC ;-)
1723 2011-02-11 18:49:42 <comboy> I guess you can call 5970 that for bitcoin ;)
1724 2011-02-11 18:50:17 <bk128> 5850 is about the same price as the 6850. is the 5850 faster?
1725 2011-02-11 18:50:23 <ArtForz> yes
1726 2011-02-11 18:50:24 <comboy> if no pfga, then electronics really designed and manufactured specifically for mining?
1727 2011-02-11 18:50:26 <RBecker> bk128, https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
1728 2011-02-11 18:50:33 <bk128> RBecker: thanks
1729 2011-02-11 18:50:39 <RBecker> you're welcome
1730 2011-02-11 18:50:41 <ArtForz> comboy: structured ASIC
1731 2011-02-11 18:50:46 <RBecker> ;;bc,calc 68310
1732 2011-02-11 18:50:47 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 68310 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 2 weeks, 4 days, 22 hours, 3 minutes, and 27 seconds
1733 2011-02-11 18:51:47 <comboy> ArtForz: whoa, and do you maybe have any plans or securing position in case bitcoin fails somehow by selling some of these?
1734 2011-02-11 18:51:48 <bk128> do you all use clmine?
1735 2011-02-11 18:52:05 <comboy> s/or/for
1736 2011-02-11 18:52:28 <bk128> set up an internet gaming cafe.
1737 2011-02-11 18:52:39 <ArtForz> comboy: nope
1738 2011-02-11 18:53:10 <comboy> :)
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1740 2011-02-11 18:54:12 <bk128> anyone want to sell a 5850 for bitcoins?
1741 2011-02-11 18:54:40 <dissipate> so when are you going to need a data center to mine? :D
1742 2011-02-11 18:54:46 <luke-jr> bk128: maybe 2000+
1743 2011-02-11 18:55:26 <bk128> lol but they're worth $.92ish now
1744 2011-02-11 18:55:27 <luke-jr> 2,000+*
1745 2011-02-11 18:55:44 <luke-jr> bk128: I know, but I'm charging for all the time I took to get a good deal
1746 2011-02-11 18:55:45 <luke-jr> :P
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1748 2011-02-11 18:55:54 <grondilu> ;;calc 1.66
1749 2011-02-11 18:55:55 <gribble> ...
1750 2011-02-11 18:56:20 <bk128> ;;bc,calc 1.66
1751 2011-02-11 18:56:21 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1.66 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 2132 years, 50 weeks, 1 day, 2 hours, 19 minutes, and 43 seconds
1752 2011-02-11 18:57:16 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 1660
1753 2011-02-11 18:57:16 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1660 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 2 years, 6 weeks, 6 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes, and 46 seconds
1754 2011-02-11 18:57:48 <bk128> sucks to be you ;)
1755 2011-02-11 18:58:00 <comboy> ArtForz: so you gonna have move majority of network hashrate, we should have double spending party after this parity party
1756 2011-02-11 18:58:11 <grondilu> ;;calc 500
1757 2011-02-11 18:58:12 <gribble> ...
1758 2011-02-11 18:58:12 <bk128> I get about 1200k/sec though
1759 2011-02-11 18:58:32 <bk128> i'm going to buy a card tonight
1760 2011-02-11 18:58:55 <grondilu> ;;bc,calc 500
1761 2011-02-11 18:58:55 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 500 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 7 years, 4 weeks, 1 day, 17 hours, 21 minutes, and 28 seconds
1762 2011-02-11 18:58:57 <RBecker> ;;bc,stats
1763 2011-02-11 18:58:58 <gribble> Current Blocks: 107502 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 1361 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 10 hours, 49 minutes, and 13 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 33032.87796398
1764 2011-02-11 18:59:28 <bk128> where can i download clmine?
1765 2011-02-11 18:59:57 <jgarzik> bk128: do you mean tcatm's oclminer?
1766 2011-02-11 19:00:26 <bk128> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison whatever is mentioned there. or I guess just the preferred gpu miner for ati cards
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1768 2011-02-11 19:01:54 <Syke> I prefer DiabloMiner. http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1721.0 Easy to setup, and supports multiple cards.
1769 2011-02-11 19:02:04 <bk128> thanks skye
1770 2011-02-11 19:02:06 <ArtForz> clmine/clmine2/calmine are my private miners
1771 2011-02-11 19:02:34 <bk128> are they faster than diablomine/ oclminer?
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1773 2011-02-11 19:03:15 <ArtForz> err... the numbers are right there in the wiki page
1774 2011-02-11 19:03:30 <grondilu> ;;bc,calc 400
1775 2011-02-11 19:03:31 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 400 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 8 years, 44 weeks, 2 days, 21 hours, 41 minutes, and 50 seconds
1776 2011-02-11 19:03:35 <bk128> ok
1777 2011-02-11 19:03:40 <grondilu> ;;bc,calc 266
1778 2011-02-11 19:03:40 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 266 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 13 years, 16 weeks, 1 day, 12 hours, 3 minutes, and 21 seconds
1779 2011-02-11 19:04:36 <grondilu> ;;bc,calc 300
1780 2011-02-11 19:04:37 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 300 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 11 years, 41 weeks, 5 days, 20 hours, 55 minutes, and 46 seconds
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1783 2011-02-11 19:06:26 TD_ is now known as TD
1784 2011-02-11 19:06:38 <TD> should somebody update the /topic maybe? the security bug thing is really old
1785 2011-02-11 19:07:09 <soultcer> hm...
1786 2011-02-11 19:07:31 <bk128> is there a setup guide for diablominer? does it need bitcoind running in the background?
1787 2011-02-11 19:08:47 <bk128> I only have the gui bitcoin client now.
1788 2011-02-11 19:09:06 <xelister> bk128: best run bitcoind and then connect to it
1789 2011-02-11 19:09:14 <bk128> ok
1790 2011-02-11 19:09:15 <xelister> bk128: better run bitcoind instead bitcoin
1791 2011-02-11 19:09:15 <Syke> run the gui with "bitcoin -server"
1792 2011-02-11 19:09:36 <bk128> where do I set up the username/ pass?
1793 2011-02-11 19:09:36 <xelister> setup RPC password and give same options to miner
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1795 2011-02-11 19:11:58 <soultcer> TD: better?
1796 2011-02-11 19:13:15 <Syke> bk128, on Linux they are set in bitcoin.conf
1797 2011-02-11 19:13:29 <bk128> thanks
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1801 2011-02-11 19:16:59 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|bah
1802 2011-02-11 19:17:07 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|I wonder if I will ever get added to chanserv
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1809 2011-02-11 19:28:27 <TD> soultcer: thanks :)
1810 2011-02-11 19:33:52 <bk128> ;;bc,calc 255000
1811 2011-02-11 19:33:52 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 255000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 5 days, 1 hour, 38 minutes, and 2 seconds
1812 2011-02-11 19:34:09 <bk128> what's the next difficulty again?
1813 2011-02-11 19:34:18 <bk128> ;;bc,blocks
1814 2011-02-11 19:34:19 <gribble> 107505
1815 2011-02-11 19:34:25 <echelon> is it possible to set what ip/interface bitcoin binds to?
1816 2011-02-11 19:34:25 <bk128> ;;bc,bcs
1817 2011-02-11 19:34:26 <gribble> Error: "bc,bcs" is not a valid command.
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1819 2011-02-11 19:34:41 <bk128> ;;bc,stats
1820 2011-02-11 19:34:43 <gribble> Current Blocks: 107505 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 1358 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 10 hours, 48 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32934.59522878
1821 2011-02-11 19:35:55 <bk128> is there a way to make the calc use the next dfficulty
1822 2011-02-11 19:36:17 <yay6892> hi guys. what happens if e.g. someone pays me and my bitcoin client is currently not running? would I get the payment when I fire it? or do I need to be online all time? (sry n00b question)
1823 2011-02-11 19:36:37 <caution> you don't have to be online
1824 2011-02-11 19:36:41 <bk128> you'll get the payment whenever you start your client. it does not need to be running when they make it
1825 2011-02-11 19:36:48 <Syke> yay6892, all transactions are in the block chain that everyone downloads
1826 2011-02-11 19:36:58 <yay6892> cool. thank you very much.
1827 2011-02-11 19:36:59 <caution> as long as they don't try paying to your offline IP
1828 2011-02-11 19:37:37 <yay6892> oops, I thought i was getting it but now I'm confused
1829 2011-02-11 19:37:40 <bk128> are there any cases where you have to pay to IP?
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1831 2011-02-11 19:37:59 <yay6892> ah, it is possible to pay an IP address
1832 2011-02-11 19:38:11 <bk128> yay6892: just generate a new address and have them send the payment to that.
1833 2011-02-11 19:38:17 <bk128> dont have them send it to your ip
1834 2011-02-11 19:38:36 <yay6892> right, so I should always get them to pay me at a bitcoin address
1835 2011-02-11 19:38:44 <yay6892> then it does not matter whether my pc is online or not
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1837 2011-02-11 19:39:00 <bk128> right. and make a new address for each transaction
1838 2011-02-11 19:39:08 <yay6892> cool
1839 2011-02-11 19:39:13 <yay6892> thank you
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1842 2011-02-11 19:42:10 <echelon> it seems the recent client doesn't automatically send the version when connecting to 8333
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1844 2011-02-11 19:43:50 <Mango-chan> smsZ.net
1845 2011-02-11 19:43:50 <Mango-chan> testtest | 0.00 BTC | Logout
1846 2011-02-11 19:43:50 <Mango-chan> Welcome on smsZ.net
1847 2011-02-11 19:43:50 <Mango-chan> Test system: use your bitcoins to send SMS messages worldwide! 0.5 BTC/sms!
1848 2011-02-11 19:44:09 <Mango-chan> >50c for a text
1849 2011-02-11 19:44:17 <echelon> heh nice
1850 2011-02-11 19:44:40 <echelon> i'm texting to antartica
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1854 2011-02-11 19:49:30 <bk128> is there a way to calculate time to generate with the next difficulty?
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1856 2011-02-11 19:50:30 <Mango-chan> ;;bc,cald 4000 4000
1857 2011-02-11 19:50:30 <TD> you don't know what the next difficulty will be
1858 2011-02-11 19:50:30 <gribble> Error: "bc,cald" is not a valid command.
1859 2011-02-11 19:50:37 <Mango-chan> ;;bc,calcd 4000 4000
1860 2011-02-11 19:50:37 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 4000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 4000, is 7 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 2 minutes, and 47 seconds
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1862 2011-02-11 19:50:50 <Mango-chan> bk128 ^
1863 2011-02-11 19:51:44 <bk128> ;;bc,calcd 32934.59522878 313000
1864 2011-02-11 19:51:44 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 32934.59522878 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 313000, is 1 year, 15 weeks, 2 days, 10 hours, 20 minutes, and 13 seconds
1865 2011-02-11 19:51:59 <bk128> ;;bc,calcd 313000 32934.59522878
1866 2011-02-11 19:51:59 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 313000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 32934.59522878, is 5 days, 5 hours, 32 minutes, and 6 seconds
1867 2011-02-11 19:52:30 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 9999999999
1868 2011-02-11 19:52:31 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 9999999999 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 11 seconds
1869 2011-02-11 19:52:35 <luke-jr> yeah. I need that.
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1871 2011-02-11 19:53:21 <Mango-chan> just go pool mining bro
1872 2011-02-11 19:53:25 <yay6892> thank you for the infos
1873 2011-02-11 19:53:32 <luke-jr> Mango-chan: not productive.
1874 2011-02-11 19:53:39 <Mango-chan> how so
1875 2011-02-11 19:53:56 <luke-jr> I only get like 77% of what I should at most
1876 2011-02-11 19:54:17 <Mango-chan> how much processing power do you have
1877 2011-02-11 19:54:21 <luke-jr> 265 MH/s
1878 2011-02-11 19:54:29 <Mango-chan> so do you solo mine
1879 2011-02-11 19:54:44 <luke-jr> yeah
1880 2011-02-11 19:54:53 <Mango-chan> how often do you make a block
1881 2011-02-11 19:55:08 <luke-jr> haven't got any yet.
1882 2011-02-11 19:55:31 <luke-jr> I'm on day 5 or 6 now
1883 2011-02-11 19:55:38 <Mango-chan> ...
1884 2011-02-11 19:55:49 <Mango-chan> stable is better than trying your luck imo
1885 2011-02-11 19:55:53 <Vladimir__> you'll need like 3 month of mining before you can make such claims like "I make such and such % of what I should"
1886 2011-02-11 19:56:11 <luke-jr> Vladimir__: that's impossible. :P
1887 2011-02-11 19:56:17 <Mango-chan> i've made 80~
1888 2011-02-11 19:56:18 <luke-jr> difficulty changes every 2 weeks
1889 2011-02-11 19:56:19 <Mango-chan> in 2 days so far
1890 2011-02-11 19:56:23 <Mango-chan> from pooled mining
1891 2011-02-11 19:56:29 <luke-jr> Mango-chan: but how many MH/s
1892 2011-02-11 19:56:33 <Mango-chan> 800
1893 2011-02-11 19:56:38 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 800000
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1895 2011-02-11 19:56:38 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 800000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 1 day, 14 hours, 46 minutes, and 15 seconds
1896 2011-02-11 19:56:46 <Mango-chan> "average"
1897 2011-02-11 19:56:54 <Mango-chan> there's a certain amount of risk with that
1898 2011-02-11 19:57:02 <Mango-chan> not going to test my luck
1899 2011-02-11 19:57:05 * necrodearia awaits for someone to suggest a 'democracy' category
1900 2011-02-11 19:57:15 Tritonio_GR has joined
1901 2011-02-11 19:57:38 <Mango-chan> when i hit 230
1902 2011-02-11 19:57:40 <Mango-chan> cash out
1903 2011-02-11 19:57:41 <Mango-chan> buy more gpus
1904 2011-02-11 19:57:45 <Mango-chan> and repeat
1905 2011-02-11 19:57:46 <necrodearia> btw, democracynow.org is still broadcasting
1906 2011-02-11 19:58:11 <necrodearia> greatest day in Egypt
1907 2011-02-11 19:58:11 <Vladimir__> possible or not, but before you make like 20+ blocks you have not big enough sample size to make any statistical claims
1908 2011-02-11 19:58:16 * necrodearia walks liek an Egyptian
1909 2011-02-11 19:58:27 <Mango-chan> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3367.0 <- lol
1910 2011-02-11 19:58:32 <Mango-chan> why doesn't he just
1911 2011-02-11 19:58:33 <Mango-chan> run away
1912 2011-02-11 20:04:31 <StevenCH> ;;bc,calc 1000000
1913 2011-02-11 20:04:32 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 1 day, 7 hours, 1 minute, and 0 seconds
1914 2011-02-11 20:09:57 <Kiba> hmm
1915 2011-02-11 20:10:04 <Kiba> the first bitcoin bankruptcy?
1916 2011-02-11 20:10:18 <bk128> haha
1917 2011-02-11 20:10:22 <Kiba> Mango-chan: and get a new account and start over again?
1918 2011-02-11 20:10:27 <Kiba> sounds like you could do that
1919 2011-02-11 20:10:33 <Kiba> but then people learn quick
1920 2011-02-11 20:11:50 <bk128> over $20 usd so you can take him to small claims court >_<
1921 2011-02-11 20:13:17 <bk128> ;;bc,calc 1200
1922 2011-02-11 20:13:18 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1200 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 2 years, 49 weeks, 3 days, 23 hours, 13 minutes, and 56 seconds
1923 2011-02-11 20:13:20 <Kiba> fuck no
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1925 2011-02-11 20:17:54 <echelon> can someone explain the dns file in ~/.bitcoin/?
1926 2011-02-11 20:18:03 <echelon> Kiba, no swearing
1927 2011-02-11 20:18:10 <Kiba> :P
1928 2011-02-11 20:19:10 <echelon> oh wait.. i may have created it myself lol
1929 2011-02-11 20:19:16 <donpdonp> ;)
1930 2011-02-11 20:19:22 <echelon> my memory is terrible
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1932 2011-02-11 20:21:32 grondilu has joined
1933 2011-02-11 20:22:08 <grondilu> could you remind me where is the page on the wiki where I can add IPs manually please?
1934 2011-02-11 20:23:06 <grondilu> because I get only one connection and I don't like that.
1935 2011-02-11 20:23:25 Syke has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
1936 2011-02-11 20:23:26 <echelon> grondilu, https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Fallback_Nodes
1937 2011-02-11 20:23:37 <grondilu> thanks
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1940 2011-02-11 20:35:24 <Kiba> hmm..so we're starting to see the formation of law and order in the bitcoin economy
1941 2011-02-11 20:35:33 <gp5st1> oh?
1942 2011-02-11 20:37:34 Syke has joined
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1945 2011-02-11 20:38:45 <midnightmagic> top-down law and order have no place in bitcoin.
1946 2011-02-11 20:39:16 <gwillen> echelon: hmm, I cannot edit that page, but it contains information of which I am skeptical
1947 2011-02-11 20:39:31 <gwillen> echelon: in particular, 192.0.* is not, afaik, non-routable IP space
1948 2011-02-11 20:39:45 <echelon> those are tor nodes
1949 2011-02-11 20:40:44 <echelon> if you don't want it to use the tor network, don't add them
1950 2011-02-11 20:41:12 <echelon> gwillen, what's your ip, i'll add it
1951 2011-02-11 20:41:40 <gwillen> echelon: nah, I didn't want to be added to the page, I just wanted to leave a comment about the usage of 192.0
1952 2011-02-11 20:41:48 <gwillen> but it's fine, I see what they mean now
1953 2011-02-11 20:42:01 <Kiba> gp5st1: we're figuring out how the bankruptcy process as we do things along
1954 2011-02-11 20:42:23 <gwillen> Kiba: banruptcy process? ("we"?) Do tell.
1955 2011-02-11 20:42:27 <echelon> kk
1956 2011-02-11 20:42:28 * gwillen is very curious
1957 2011-02-11 20:42:32 <gwillen> echelon: thanks though
1958 2011-02-11 20:42:41 <gwillen> (my node is on a laptop, it's not reliable enough for that list anyhow)
1959 2011-02-11 20:42:42 <echelon> np
1960 2011-02-11 20:42:52 <gp5st1> Kiba: yeahâ¦what do you mean?
1961 2011-02-11 20:43:15 <Kiba> bankruptcy*
1962 2011-02-11 20:43:47 <gp5st1> Kiba: i know what you mean; what do you mean, though
1963 2011-02-11 20:44:29 sabalaba has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
1964 2011-02-11 20:45:36 <Kiba> the law discovery process
1965 2011-02-11 20:48:41 <gp5st1> how does it work?/ what have you learned?
1966 2011-02-11 20:50:56 <luke-jr> gwillen: what? 192.0.* is routable
1967 2011-02-11 20:52:05 <echelon> he meant 192.0.2.*
1968 2011-02-11 20:52:18 prax has joined
1969 2011-02-11 20:52:26 <afed> rfc 1918 space
1970 2011-02-11 20:52:35 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|Did I just notice the freenode by accident?
1971 2011-02-11 20:52:40 * nameless !~root@weowntheinter.net|giggles if he did
1972 2011-02-11 20:52:43 <afed> 192.168/16
1973 2011-02-11 20:52:51 <afed> 172.16/12
1974 2011-02-11 20:52:53 <afed> 10/8
1975 2011-02-11 20:53:04 <afed> memorize
1976 2011-02-11 20:53:27 <genjix> who owns bitcoinwatch.com?
1977 2011-02-11 20:53:41 <jgarzik> genjix: me
1978 2011-02-11 20:53:53 <genjix> ah ok. Did you get my email?
1979 2011-02-11 20:55:49 <genjix> jgarzik: for some reason I can't find it in my sent mail. maybe I didn't send it.
1980 2011-02-11 20:56:25 <genjix> jgarzik: http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/3793/screenshotvw.png[6~
1981 2011-02-11 20:56:44 <genjix> i was wondering if you'd make an api so I can include some stats there from bitcoinwatch.com
1982 2011-02-11 20:56:44 <jgarzik> genjix: you want a mobile version of BCW?
1983 2011-02-11 20:56:46 gmci has joined
1984 2011-02-11 20:56:57 <jgarzik> genjix: there is already an API (download the data)
1985 2011-02-11 20:57:37 <genjix> but then I have to unpack it.
1986 2011-02-11 20:58:06 <genjix> why not have a normal page?
1987 2011-02-11 20:58:38 <nanotube> genjix: any luck with py2exe?
1988 2011-02-11 20:58:40 <jgarzik> genjix: are you looking for a page or an API? :)
1989 2011-02-11 20:58:45 <genjix> any
1990 2011-02-11 20:59:03 <genjix> nanotube: still downloading windows 7 :p
1991 2011-02-11 20:59:07 <nanotube> haha ic
1992 2011-02-11 20:59:11 <jgarzik> genjix: 404 not found, on that url
1993 2011-02-11 20:59:17 <nanotube> hope it's not a trojaned version of win7 you're downloading, genjix
1994 2011-02-11 20:59:26 <nanotube> jgarzik: delete the stuff after .png
1995 2011-02-11 20:59:31 <genjix> http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/3793/screenshotvw.png
1996 2011-02-11 20:59:41 <genjix> who cares if it's trojaned?
1997 2011-02-11 20:59:59 <nanotube> genjix: because depending on what kind of malware, it may insert itself into any executables
1998 2011-02-11 21:00:04 <nanotube> genjix: including the one you build with py2exe
1999 2011-02-11 21:00:07 <genjix> ohhh
2000 2011-02-11 21:00:08 <nanotube> which would be... very bad.
2001 2011-02-11 21:00:29 <genjix> thanks for telling me. i'll get someone then to do release builds
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2003 2011-02-11 21:01:03 <nanotube> yea, or get a trusted vm of win7 from someone who has 'official' disks
2004 2011-02-11 21:01:05 <jgarzik> genjix: http://www.bitcoinwatch.com/data-json.zip is your API
2005 2011-02-11 21:01:25 <jgarzik> genjix: you can lay that out any way you like on your site
2006 2011-02-11 21:02:16 * jgarzik wonders if bitcoin-central API has stabilized sufficient that I may add it to BCW
2007 2011-02-11 21:03:04 <genjix> meh i was hoping it'd be easy to just have a normal page.
2008 2011-02-11 21:03:15 <genjix> because I want to keep python dependencies to a minimal
2009 2011-02-11 21:03:41 Raulo has joined
2010 2011-02-11 21:04:15 <nanotube> genjix: zip module is built into python
2011 2011-02-11 21:04:21 wsc9tt has joined
2012 2011-02-11 21:05:05 <genjix> http://docs.python.org/library/zipfile.html ?
2013 2011-02-11 21:10:57 bk128 has joined
2014 2011-02-11 21:11:55 <jgarzik> genjix: correct
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2016 2011-02-11 21:23:23 <necrodearia> Is there anyone that is interested in establishing recurring bitcoin profits from participating in beta testing in a kind of community-based ugc site providing opportunity for discussion on any topic?
2017 2011-02-11 21:23:43 <necrodearia> If so, join #witcoin for more details?
2018 2011-02-11 21:24:18 <dishwara> i already joined witcoin & got 0.5witcoin
2019 2011-02-11 21:24:32 <necrodearia> Particularly I'm referring to http://meta.witcoin.com/p/109/categories---for-now
2020 2011-02-11 21:25:16 nameless has quit (!~root@weowntheinter.net|Quit: restarting (again))
2021 2011-02-11 21:25:16 <necrodearia> The 0.5 witcoins you received was courtesy of ducki2p and is a separate activity.
2022 2011-02-11 21:27:24 nameless has joined
2023 2011-02-11 21:29:00 <necrodearia> Also, I would like to have established bitcoin.witcoin.com, but I am not sure who is most worthy of receiving profits for it during this beta test. Any suggestions?
2024 2011-02-11 21:29:44 <necrodearia> Besides satoshi, who is most closely related to bitcoin?
2025 2011-02-11 21:30:15 <Kiba> why?
2026 2011-02-11 21:30:22 <necrodearia> why why?
2027 2011-02-11 21:30:25 <MartianW> necrodearia, why not keep them for yourself?
2028 2011-02-11 21:30:33 <Kiba> yeah, keep it for yourself
2029 2011-02-11 21:30:38 <MartianW> Isn't the point of bitcoin to function as normal currency?
2030 2011-02-11 21:30:44 <Kiba> Satoshi is like already fricking filthy rich?
2031 2011-02-11 21:31:05 <necrodearia> Perhaps you do not understand.
2032 2011-02-11 21:31:05 <prax> keep them and give to bitcoin related bounties
2033 2011-02-11 21:31:53 <necrodearia> When a user posts, replies, the cost of posting or replying is distributed to the site and the category renter
2034 2011-02-11 21:32:07 <necrodearia> I am part of the site, and therefore I receive profits from posts and replies.
2035 2011-02-11 21:32:27 <necrodearia> As a category renter (in case of this beta test, there will be no cost associated with 'renting'), the category renter can establish profits too!
2036 2011-02-11 21:32:51 <necrodearia> Also, in cases of upvotes, the cost of upvoting will be distributed equally to site, category renter, poster or replier and all previous upvoters (if any).
2037 2011-02-11 21:33:04 <Mango-chan> 3 1030.6752 2011-02-11 21:25:57 Edit | Delete
2038 2011-02-11 21:33:11 <Mango-chan> 2 2552.6806 2011-02-11 21:25:55 Edit | Delete
2039 2011-02-11 21:33:14 <Mango-chan> 5 found blocks
2040 2011-02-11 21:33:15 <Mango-chan> woah
2041 2011-02-11 21:33:18 <necrodearia> So, when you ask "Why not keep them for yourself" it is because I am not greedy?
2042 2011-02-11 21:33:31 <RBecker> ;;bc,stats
2043 2011-02-11 21:33:33 <gribble> Current Blocks: 107520 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 1343 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 8 hours, 49 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32949.75534534
2044 2011-02-11 21:33:44 <MartianW> necrodearia, to be fair, you did establish that category and are "renting" it.
2045 2011-02-11 21:33:52 <necrodearia> Or more importantly, because I want to provide an experience for users that allow users to profit instead of solely my profiting.
2046 2011-02-11 21:34:10 <necrodearia> MartianW, mm, which category?
2047 2011-02-11 21:34:20 <MartianW> Bitcoin.
2048 2011-02-11 21:34:28 <necrodearia> Actually, it doesn't exist yet.
2049 2011-02-11 21:34:38 <necrodearia> oh wait, it does
2050 2011-02-11 21:34:40 Jeroenz0r has joined
2051 2011-02-11 21:34:48 <necrodearia> And it is associated with my user account
2052 2011-02-11 21:35:10 <necrodearia> However, I am willing to transfer it to another user so that they may establish profits from posts, replies and upvotes that occur within the category
2053 2011-02-11 21:35:29 <prax> wtf is witcoin
2054 2011-02-11 21:35:31 <necrodearia> Preferably a user that is most well recognized within the bitcoin community
2055 2011-02-11 21:35:55 <Jeroenz0r> May I suggest a #bitcoin IRC-channel mode?
2056 2011-02-11 21:36:30 <necrodearia> That's a good question prax. I get it a lot. I shall add that to faq.
2057 2011-02-11 21:36:31 <x6763> what's the maximum block size?
2058 2011-02-11 21:36:34 <Jeroenz0r> The +u, it will stop useless data useage (join/quit).
2059 2011-02-11 21:36:39 slush has joined
2060 2011-02-11 21:36:46 <MartianW> Hi slush.
2061 2011-02-11 21:37:19 <necrodearia> Users are welcome to answer in their own words at http://faq.witcoin.com/p/112/wtf-is-witcoin
2062 2011-02-11 21:37:35 <Mango-chan> what is this
2063 2011-02-11 21:37:37 <necrodearia> I will upvote posts which seem to answer correctly or helpfully.
2064 2011-02-11 21:37:37 <Mango-chan> web 1.5?
2065 2011-02-11 21:37:43 <Mango-chan> needs more word clouds
2066 2011-02-11 21:38:04 <slush> ;;bc,poolstats
2067 2011-02-11 21:38:05 <gribble> {"active_workers": 612, "ghashes_ps": "49.870", "getwork_ps": 244}
2068 2011-02-11 21:38:07 <ducki2p> :P
2069 2011-02-11 21:38:25 <prax> haha
2070 2011-02-11 21:38:32 <slush> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1976.msg47376#msg47376
2071 2011-02-11 21:38:55 <MartianW> Aww, I can't post until my witcoins clear.
2072 2011-02-11 21:39:08 <prax> how do you get bitcoins out of it?
2073 2011-02-11 21:39:47 <Jeroenz0r> Where is the irc server connection for used?
2074 2011-02-11 21:39:50 <Mango-chan> slush
2075 2011-02-11 21:39:54 <Mango-chan> how much traffic a day do you get
2076 2011-02-11 21:39:58 <necrodearia> "Please set up at least 2% donations on your profile to keep your worker credentials working."
2077 2011-02-11 21:40:04 <necrodearia> Wooo, I already have 2% donations ^_^
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2079 2011-02-11 21:40:50 <necrodearia> prax, There is a page that allows you to withdraw witcoins. Make sure to add a bitcoin address to your profile first.
2080 2011-02-11 21:40:52 dukeleto has joined
2081 2011-02-11 21:40:54 <Mango-chan> slush
2082 2011-02-11 21:40:56 <Mango-chan> pm
2083 2011-02-11 21:40:56 <slush> necrodearia: in this case, you are OK :)
2084 2011-02-11 21:41:02 <necrodearia> e.g. you can't withdraw witcoins to a bitcoin address without a bitcoin address
2085 2011-02-11 21:41:16 <MartianW> And posted.
2086 2011-02-11 21:41:32 <Mango-chan> slush: pm
2087 2011-02-11 21:41:38 <slush> Mango-chan: 3Mbit/s
2088 2011-02-11 21:41:44 <prax> oh I couldnt see where to edit
2089 2011-02-11 21:41:49 <Mango-chan> slush no
2090 2011-02-11 21:41:50 <Mango-chan> wait
2091 2011-02-11 21:41:51 <prax> how much is each post?
2092 2011-02-11 21:41:54 <Mango-chan> pm
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2094 2011-02-11 21:42:36 <Mango-chan> slush: do you need hosting?
2095 2011-02-11 21:42:39 <slush> Mango-chan: one request is ~1kB/s. HTTP headers + payload
2096 2011-02-11 21:42:46 <slush> Mango-chan: no, I need another protocol
2097 2011-02-11 21:43:21 <slush> Mango-chan: I'm pretty happy with linode. I'm almost sure that another VPS won't handle such load
2098 2011-02-11 21:43:26 <slush> for the same price
2099 2011-02-11 21:43:46 <Mango-chan> so your current problem is that you're using too much traffic?
2100 2011-02-11 21:43:54 <slush> Mango-chan: well, it is less than 1kB. +- 640B
2101 2011-02-11 21:44:15 <slush> Mango-chan: yes. requests per seconds practically doubled today
2102 2011-02-11 21:44:33 <slush> rq/s = getwork/s from stats page
2103 2011-02-11 21:44:42 <prax> witcoin needs a favicon
2104 2011-02-11 21:44:56 <prax> so does mtgox iirc
2105 2011-02-11 21:44:59 <slush> I just wanted to post link to thread here. I have to go
2106 2011-02-11 21:45:01 <Mango-chan> well i might be able to
2107 2011-02-11 21:45:01 <prax> hate sites with no favicon
2108 2011-02-11 21:45:03 <Mango-chan> get you access to
2109 2011-02-11 21:45:05 <Mango-chan> unlimited hosting
2110 2011-02-11 21:45:22 <slush> Unfortunately I don't have mass mailing implemented yet. I'm in internet cafe and have no real chance to contact all pool users :(
2111 2011-02-11 21:45:43 <Mango-chan> how much traffic are you allowed a day on linode
2112 2011-02-11 21:45:45 <Mango-chan> or a month
2113 2011-02-11 21:45:59 <slush> I think almost anything, but I must pay for it :)
2114 2011-02-11 21:46:14 <slush> Mango-chan: I really have to go. Pleae PM me on forum with details, thanks!
2115 2011-02-11 21:46:34 <Mango-chan> ok i'll ask a friend
2116 2011-02-11 21:47:03 <donpdonp> is there a vector/svg bitcoin logo file around?
2117 2011-02-11 21:47:32 <necrodearia> prax, At the moment posting, replying and upvoting costs 0.01 witcoins
2118 2011-02-11 21:47:53 <necrodearia> The amounts will become viewable in the next update to the site, which will be very noticeable when it is updated.
2119 2011-02-11 21:48:23 <Jeroenz0r> Guys, may I know why there is a IRC connection?
2120 2011-02-11 21:48:38 <necrodearia> Jeroenz0r, for bootstrapping
2121 2011-02-11 21:48:49 <Jeroenz0r> OK, why not set a +U
2122 2011-02-11 21:48:54 <Jeroenz0r> I mean, +u
2123 2011-02-11 21:49:02 <Jeroenz0r> This wil limit the Join/Quits
2124 2011-02-11 21:49:04 <necrodearia> Suggest to gavinandresen?
2125 2011-02-11 21:49:13 <gavinandresen> suggest what
2126 2011-02-11 21:49:16 <necrodearia> +u
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2128 2011-02-11 21:49:28 <Mango-chan> what
2129 2011-02-11 21:49:33 <Jeroenz0r> Not sure if it works on Hybrid servers too
2130 2011-02-11 21:49:34 <Mango-chan> just turn off join/parts
2131 2011-02-11 21:49:37 <Mango-chan> in your client
2132 2011-02-11 21:49:42 <Jeroenz0r> DUH
2133 2011-02-11 21:49:50 <Mango-chan> if it really bothers you
2134 2011-02-11 21:49:55 <Jeroenz0r> But all those bots are creating server load
2135 2011-02-11 21:49:56 <gavinandresen> what is a +u ?
2136 2011-02-11 21:50:06 <Mango-chan> server load for what
2137 2011-02-11 21:50:13 <Mango-chan> am i missing something here
2138 2011-02-11 21:50:16 <Jeroenz0r> +u, Channel, Unreal, Auditorium. Makes /names and /who only show channel operators to regular users, and show everyone to channel operators.
2139 2011-02-11 21:50:19 <necrodearia> http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
2140 2011-02-11 21:50:24 <jgarzik> is the IRC server owner complaining?
2141 2011-02-11 21:50:33 <necrodearia> durr
2142 2011-02-11 21:50:44 <Jeroenz0r> No, but this would cut down the IRC connection internet usage.
2143 2011-02-11 21:50:51 <Mango-chan> like
2144 2011-02-11 21:50:52 <Mango-chan> ...
2145 2011-02-11 21:50:57 <Mango-chan> insignificant amounts
2146 2011-02-11 21:51:15 <jgarzik> isn't the point to show all users to all users??
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2148 2011-02-11 21:51:20 <jgarzik> otherwise, how do you bootstrap?
2149 2011-02-11 21:51:26 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: I was about to say that
2150 2011-02-11 21:51:29 <necrodearia> /mode necrodearia +u
2151 2011-02-11 21:51:29 <necrodearia> Unknown MODE flag
2152 2011-02-11 21:51:31 <necrodearia> on LFnet
2153 2011-02-11 21:51:33 <Jeroenz0r> I don't know how inport that is
2154 2011-02-11 21:51:38 <Jeroenz0r> wait what
2155 2011-02-11 21:51:39 dishwara has joined
2156 2011-02-11 21:51:51 <necrodearia> Ah, channel flag
2157 2011-02-11 21:51:51 <Jeroenz0r> Wait, let me look it up.
2158 2011-02-11 21:52:44 <necrodearia> LFNet: u :is unknown mode char to me
2159 2011-02-11 21:52:48 <Jeroenz0r> OK, so you need the join/quits to be send to everyone.
2160 2011-02-11 21:52:52 <necrodearia> LFNet does not support +u channel flag
2161 2011-02-11 21:53:10 <Jeroenz0r> Meh, server is running hybrid-7.2.3, +u is Unreal only.
2162 2011-02-11 21:53:23 <Jeroenz0r> Sorry for wasting time :P
2163 2011-02-11 21:54:28 <Jeroenz0r> Who is this '93.159.111.93' client.
2164 2011-02-11 21:54:30 <Mango-chan> So basically, this is like "collector items", not currency. A very scare "resource", if you can call it that. You get 50 BTC after few months, meaning that basically you've just spent $50 in electricity to get your "free" money.
2165 2011-02-11 21:54:33 <Mango-chan> lol
2166 2011-02-11 21:54:34 <Jeroenz0r> It is generating alot of data.
2167 2011-02-11 21:56:03 <Mango-chan> In other news, my new currency will trade at 100USD to 1. Therefore, it is much better and we can all ooh and ahh over how obsolete national currencies are. That's the whole story here, right?
2168 2011-02-11 21:58:19 <cosurgi> me new minig rigs are up and running!
2169 2011-02-11 21:58:48 <cosurgi> 2.4 G. took a whole day to set up those five new 5870.
2170 2011-02-11 21:59:03 * cosurgi was cutting bottom of cases, so that third GPU will fit ;>
2171 2011-02-11 21:59:10 <cosurgi> with steel scissors.
2172 2011-02-11 21:59:17 <Jeroenz0r> 80K blocks. 0.00 coins :(
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2174 2011-02-11 22:00:16 <Jeroenz0r> Why would a client send me 14,7MB of data?
2175 2011-02-11 22:00:39 dishwara has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2176 2011-02-11 22:00:40 <cosurgi> he wants to bribe you with porn
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2183 2011-02-11 22:01:14 * Jeroenz0r opens his 8333 port.
2184 2011-02-11 22:01:18 <Jeroenz0r> ALL THE WAY
2185 2011-02-11 22:01:52 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: my new rig it works :)
2186 2011-02-11 22:02:30 <andrew12> Jeroenz0r: lol
2187 2011-02-11 22:02:40 <Jeroenz0r> :P
2188 2011-02-11 22:03:15 <Mango-chan> [13:52:00] <cosurgi> 2.4 G. took a whole day to set up those five new 5870.
2189 2011-02-11 22:03:18 <Mango-chan> how much did you spend on them
2190 2011-02-11 22:03:36 <x6763> is the maximum block size 1MB?
2191 2011-02-11 22:03:40 <cosurgi> 310 USD each
2192 2011-02-11 22:03:47 <Mango-chan> 310?!
2193 2011-02-11 22:03:51 <Mango-chan> they're on sale for around
2194 2011-02-11 22:03:54 <Mango-chan> 230
2195 2011-02-11 22:04:12 <cosurgi> in europe that's quite good price.
2196 2011-02-11 22:04:17 <Mango-chan> oh
2197 2011-02-11 22:04:19 <Mango-chan> you're in europe?
2198 2011-02-11 22:04:21 <Mango-chan> no wonder
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2200 2011-02-11 22:05:01 <Jeroenz0r> How do I 'generate' monies?
2201 2011-02-11 22:05:06 <Jeroenz0r> I want gold plz
2202 2011-02-11 22:05:08 <Mango-chan> you pay electricity
2203 2011-02-11 22:05:08 <Mango-chan> plz
2204 2011-02-11 22:05:14 <Jeroenz0r> im already doing
2205 2011-02-11 22:05:19 <tswett> Jeroenz0r: it's a lot easier to trade for it.
2206 2011-02-11 22:05:20 <Jeroenz0r> but its not using any CPU
2207 2011-02-11 22:06:39 <Jeroenz0r> Basicly this is a distributed computing project?
2208 2011-02-11 22:06:44 <tswett> Is Bitcoin on a Mac supposed to quit when you close its window? Because it looks like it does.
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2210 2011-02-11 22:06:45 <Jeroenz0r> But why isnt it calculating
2211 2011-02-11 22:06:53 <andrew12> Jeroenz0r: because you didn't set it to.
2212 2011-02-11 22:06:58 <tswett> Jeroenz0r: well, it's really a distributed currency project. The fact that it computes is sort of a side effect.
2213 2011-02-11 22:06:58 <Jeroenz0r> I did.
2214 2011-02-11 22:07:02 <andrew12> or you havent downloaded the entire block chain
2215 2011-02-11 22:07:14 <Jeroenz0r> Sure.
2216 2011-02-11 22:07:15 <andrew12> wait till the number of blocks stops increasing rapidly
2217 2011-02-11 22:07:40 <Jeroenz0r> That is going slow atm?
2218 2011-02-11 22:07:52 <andrew12> slow nodes
2219 2011-02-11 22:08:49 <Jeroenz0r> Damn.
2220 2011-02-11 22:08:52 <gwillen> Jeroenz0r: as a practical matter, if you're running this on a single computer, you are not going to get any bitcoins out of it
2221 2011-02-11 22:08:54 <Jeroenz0r> only 8.
2222 2011-02-11 22:08:56 <Jeroenz0r> 8333 is open
2223 2011-02-11 22:09:03 <andrew12> Jeroenz0r: close and open your client
2224 2011-02-11 22:09:24 <andrew12> Jeroenz0r: only 8 connections or 8 blocks?
2225 2011-02-11 22:09:25 <Jeroenz0r> Yeah, I can run many computers.
2226 2011-02-11 22:09:33 <Jeroenz0r> But i'm also doing the Distributed.net
2227 2011-02-11 22:09:42 <Jeroenz0r> andrew12; 8 connections
2228 2011-02-11 22:09:55 <andrew12> Jeroenz0r: assuming you're mining with cpu, you might want to read ,,bc,pool
2229 2011-02-11 22:09:55 <gribble> Error: "bc,pool" is not a valid command.
2230 2011-02-11 22:09:59 <andrew12> damn, that's not it
2231 2011-02-11 22:10:04 <gwillen> ;;bc,pool
2232 2011-02-11 22:10:04 <gribble> Error: "bc,pool" is not a valid command.
2233 2011-02-11 22:10:28 <Jeroenz0r> Can BitCoin use my GPU too?
2234 2011-02-11 22:10:39 <andrew12> read http://mining.bitcoin.cz
2235 2011-02-11 22:10:42 <andrew12> -- yes ;)
2236 2011-02-11 22:10:47 <cosurgi> well GPU is about 100 times faster than CPU
2237 2011-02-11 22:11:04 <cosurgi> about 50 BTC per three days with one decent GPU
2238 2011-02-11 22:11:04 <andrew12> cosurgi: not necessarily
2239 2011-02-11 22:11:14 <cosurgi> andrew12: oh, roughly :)
2240 2011-02-11 22:13:10 <Jeroenz0r> Damn.
2241 2011-02-11 22:13:11 <tswett> Looks like a bitcoin is worth approximately one cent.
2242 2011-02-11 22:13:23 <Jeroenz0r> Thast like, 20euros worth of heat
2243 2011-02-11 22:13:25 <Jeroenz0r> cool
2244 2011-02-11 22:13:34 <Jeroenz0r> brb, turning off heater.
2245 2011-02-11 22:13:46 <tswett> 50 cents per few months. Totally worth it. :)
2246 2011-02-11 22:14:00 <tswett> I hope that the whole deflation idea actually happens. :P
2247 2011-02-11 22:14:12 <wsc9tt> tswett: you are off by a factor of 100
2248 2011-02-11 22:14:29 <Jeroenz0r> Is my GPU time used good?
2249 2011-02-11 22:14:40 <Jeroenz0r> and not while 1 sleep(100)
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2252 2011-02-11 22:21:24 <Jeroenz0r> What would be a good send threshold for bitcoin.cz
2253 2011-02-11 22:22:53 <lfm> tswat actually 50 dollars
2254 2011-02-11 22:24:44 <tswett> wsc9tt: oh, you're right.
2255 2011-02-11 22:24:55 <tswett> 50 dollars per few months. That's not that bad.
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2259 2011-02-11 22:27:36 <lfm> tswett: better if you have a gpu
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2261 2011-02-11 22:27:42 * tswett nods.
2262 2011-02-11 22:28:15 <tswett> I'm a laptop, so I think my graphics processing capabilities are rather limited.
2263 2011-02-11 22:28:48 <lfm> oh ya, laptops gpu are as you say rather limited in general
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2266 2011-02-11 22:31:27 <Jeroenz0r> Meh.
2267 2011-02-11 22:31:39 <Jeroenz0r> I will use BitCoin for what it's ment to be used for.
2268 2011-02-11 22:31:45 <andrew12> meant*
2269 2011-02-11 22:31:50 <lfm> heating house?
2270 2011-02-11 22:31:50 <Jeroenz0r> err
2271 2011-02-11 22:32:05 <Jeroenz0r> No I have the Distributed.net clients for that
2272 2011-02-11 22:32:16 <tswett> :)
2273 2011-02-11 22:32:40 <lfm> ah
2274 2011-02-11 22:32:42 <Jeroenz0r> Why are these 'miners' so hard?
2275 2011-02-11 22:32:46 <Jeroenz0r> I mean
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2277 2011-02-11 22:32:51 <Jeroenz0r> login box plz
2278 2011-02-11 22:33:08 <tswett> BitCoin is an efficient heating system. It converts electricity into heat with 100% efficiency.
2279 2011-02-11 22:33:21 <Jeroenz0r> Yes
2280 2011-02-11 22:33:26 <Jeroenz0r> But what then
2281 2011-02-11 22:33:33 <Jeroenz0r> I then have Coins
2282 2011-02-11 22:33:38 <Jeroenz0r> .......
2283 2011-02-11 22:33:45 <lfm> difficulty is intentionally adjusted to make average succes stay around 6 blocks per hour
2284 2011-02-11 22:34:03 <Jeroenz0r> OK
2285 2011-02-11 22:34:11 <Jeroenz0r> Would it be possiable
2286 2011-02-11 22:34:13 <Jeroenz0r> for someone
2287 2011-02-11 22:34:18 <Jeroenz0r> to set it up or something
2288 2011-02-11 22:34:19 <lfm> so it is reflection of popularity
2289 2011-02-11 22:34:25 <Jeroenz0r> with his/her own account, for me
2290 2011-02-11 22:34:36 <Jeroenz0r> Like, I give mah CPU for you.
2291 2011-02-11 22:35:43 <lfm> yes, possible, there is a guy on the forums who runs a service to set up systems for people. like you give him a linux login id and he runs bitcoin for you, you have to share wininngs
2292 2011-02-11 22:36:40 <lfm> I dont know if he does microsoft
2293 2011-02-11 22:36:41 <Jeroenz0r> >too much work
2294 2011-02-11 22:37:03 <gavinandresen> Any Windows users here? I've got a candidate 0.3.20-win32-setup.exe , you can tell me what I screwed up....
2295 2011-02-11 22:37:16 <Jeroenz0r> I have windows, and free time.
2296 2011-02-11 22:37:25 <Vladimir__> I do not do that anymore, BTW
2297 2011-02-11 22:37:30 <lfm> I have a windows 7 here
2298 2011-02-11 22:37:49 <andrew12> gavinandresen: I will in a moment
2299 2011-02-11 22:37:57 <gavinandresen> When y'all have time: https://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.3.20/
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2301 2011-02-11 22:38:03 <lfm> Vladimir__: you were guy on forums?
2302 2011-02-11 22:38:11 <Vladimir__> I was
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2305 2011-02-11 22:38:52 <lfm> you quit that idea already, seems like it was not long ago
2306 2011-02-11 22:39:16 <Vladimir__> turned out there are better ideas
2307 2011-02-11 22:39:23 <gavinandresen> And please let me know how it goes even if I got everything just right....
2308 2011-02-11 22:39:39 <lfm> gavinandresen: downloading now
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2310 2011-02-11 22:40:08 <Vladimir__> gavinandresen: is there some kind of new features list somewhere?
2311 2011-02-11 22:40:19 <Jeroenz0r> gavinandresen; FireFox beta being a bitch, as usual/
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2313 2011-02-11 22:41:16 <andrew12> Vladimir__: github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin ;)
2314 2011-02-11 22:41:24 <Jeroenz0r> New copy please :3
2315 2011-02-11 22:41:41 <Vladimir__> fair anough
2316 2011-02-11 22:43:19 <Diablo-D3> [04:55:19] <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: my new rig it works :)
2317 2011-02-11 22:43:20 <Diablo-D3> nice
2318 2011-02-11 22:43:21 <Diablo-D3> whats in it?
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2320 2011-02-11 22:43:25 <lfm> gavinandresen: install run, and there is window, looks fine, cant see any differences off hand
2321 2011-02-11 22:43:42 <gavinandresen> lfm: great, thanks. Feature list is at: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2953.0
2322 2011-02-11 22:43:48 <Jeroenz0r> Damaged copy here on Windows XP Home.
2323 2011-02-11 22:44:31 <gavinandresen> lfm: you running vista?
2324 2011-02-11 22:44:34 <Jeroenz0r> Lets redownload then
2325 2011-02-11 22:44:41 <lfm> win 7
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2327 2011-02-11 22:45:42 <Jeroenz0r> The toolbar is weird?
2328 2011-02-11 22:46:55 <Jeroenz0r> 1877Khash/s
2329 2011-02-11 22:47:02 <Jeroenz0r> what does that mean (noob question)
2330 2011-02-11 22:47:07 <lfm> gavinandresen: sent and received some cents
2331 2011-02-11 22:47:21 <andrew12> Jeroenz0r: you're getting 1877 thousand hashes per second
2332 2011-02-11 22:47:33 <Jeroenz0r> Is that normal?
2333 2011-02-11 22:47:37 <andrew12> yes
2334 2011-02-11 22:47:39 <andrew12> that means you're generating
2335 2011-02-11 22:47:44 <Jeroenz0r> finnally
2336 2011-02-11 22:47:45 <andrew12> ;;bc,calc 1877
2337 2011-02-11 22:47:46 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1877 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 1 year, 46 weeks, 1 day, 12 hours, 36 minutes, and 9 seconds
2338 2011-02-11 22:47:47 <Jeroenz0r> Finally
2339 2011-02-11 22:47:55 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: sweet. are you a 733t NSIS haxor now? :)
2340 2011-02-11 22:47:55 <Jeroenz0r> what
2341 2011-02-11 22:48:07 <andrew12> mining with CPU is slow ;)
2342 2011-02-11 22:48:14 <andrew12> ;;pool
2343 2011-02-11 22:48:14 <gribble> Mining pools: http://mining.bitcoin.cz/ http://www.bitpenny.com/
2344 2011-02-11 22:48:18 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: oh, absolutely. Very extremely leet.
2345 2011-02-11 22:48:18 <andrew12> that's it. haha
2346 2011-02-11 22:48:34 <jgarzik> andrew12: yes, yes it is slow :)
2347 2011-02-11 22:48:35 <Diablo-D3> I thought bitpenny was dead again
2348 2011-02-11 22:48:42 <andrew12> it is
2349 2011-02-11 22:49:31 <jgarzik> CPU miner is turning out to be more than a demo, though. If you have free electricity and free CPU, that's free bitcoins (however fractional). And in one weird case, the GPU miner gets better Ghash/sec if CPU miner is also running on that box.
2350 2011-02-11 22:49:50 <andrew12> heh
2351 2011-02-11 22:49:58 <andrew12> it's probably just a coincidence
2352 2011-02-11 22:50:35 <Jeroenz0r> But why isnt there a build in GPU miner?
2353 2011-02-11 22:50:47 <andrew12> Jeroenz0r: http://mining.bitcoin.cz
2354 2011-02-11 22:50:50 <andrew12> scroll down. there is come.
2355 2011-02-11 22:50:51 <jgarzik> well, there are details in modern systems like: your processor clock speed dynamically increases and decreases. you might need a CPU load to get good scheduling for the GPU stuff.
2356 2011-02-11 22:50:52 <andrew12> some*
2357 2011-02-11 22:51:17 <lfm> Jeroenz0r: it would be too complex to maintain. separate people do the gpu stuff in general
2358 2011-02-11 22:51:18 <Vladimir__> slush's pool now requires minimum 2% 'donation', I heard
2359 2011-02-11 22:51:19 <Jeroenz0r> "build in GPU miner"
2360 2011-02-11 22:51:22 <Jeroenz0r> i tried it
2361 2011-02-11 22:51:30 <Jeroenz0r> i am so confus by them.
2362 2011-02-11 22:51:57 <jgarzik> Jeroenz0r: it's a pain with all those vendor libs. bitcoin works well right now on both Windows and Linux. Maintaining that in the face of various vendor drivers and SDKs is difficult.
2363 2011-02-11 22:52:15 <andrew12> jgarzik: and mac!
2364 2011-02-11 22:52:19 <jgarzik> and mac :)
2365 2011-02-11 22:52:44 <lfm> Jeroenz0r: much of the gpu stuff is actually quite unstable software
2366 2011-02-11 22:52:48 <jgarzik> bitcoin provides consistent support across three (thank you) platforms; GPU mining support would not be as consistent as simply using PyOpenCL
2367 2011-02-11 22:52:55 <Jeroenz0r> Accually I dont see any reason to make monoy out of CPU time in the first place
2368 2011-02-11 22:53:10 <lfm> Jeroenz0r: no reason is needed
2369 2011-02-11 22:53:17 <Jeroenz0r> Yes.
2370 2011-02-11 22:53:41 <andrew12> methinks .3.20 is installed
2371 2011-02-11 22:53:43 <Jeroenz0r> Real euros torn by electricitybills
2372 2011-02-11 22:53:44 <lfm> if it is not for you then you are free to not turn on "generation"
2373 2011-02-11 22:53:59 <Jeroenz0r> No but
2374 2011-02-11 22:54:00 <Jeroenz0r> Eh
2375 2011-02-11 22:54:01 <Jeroenz0r> :(
2376 2011-02-11 22:54:06 <jgarzik> Vladimir__: my page on slush's pool still shows 0% donation
2377 2011-02-11 22:54:25 <andrew12> it uses 2% donation by default
2378 2011-02-11 22:54:30 <andrew12> but ypu can of course change it
2379 2011-02-11 22:54:36 <Vladimir__> it becomes effective in a few hours or so.. see last post in his thread
2380 2011-02-11 22:54:53 <andrew12> gavinandresen: client is looking wonky on here, will upload screenshot
2381 2011-02-11 22:54:55 <lfm> Jeroenz0r: lots of people have better things to do with their cpu or they dont want the power bills but they still want to use bitcoin as money
2382 2011-02-11 22:55:15 <andrew12> though its probably wx
2383 2011-02-11 22:55:39 <Vladimir__> <--- glad about some recent decisions made
2384 2011-02-11 22:55:39 <Jeroenz0r> Yes, but why is this feature in here then
2385 2011-02-11 22:55:46 <Jeroenz0r> and who uses this cpy time for what
2386 2011-02-11 22:56:05 <lfm> Jeroenz0r: it is how bitcoin works. it would not work without it
2387 2011-02-11 22:56:06 <gavinandresen> andrew12: what version of windows?
2388 2011-02-11 22:56:32 <andrew12> XP Pro
2389 2011-02-11 22:56:41 <lfm> Jeroenz0r: if no one was mining at all then bitcoin would not function.
2390 2011-02-11 22:56:42 <andrew12> I'm using Blackbox instead of the regular window shell though
2391 2011-02-11 22:56:45 <Jeroenz0r> who does what my CPU time for what.
2392 2011-02-11 22:56:46 <andrew12> windows*
2393 2011-02-11 22:57:26 <andrew12> gavinandresen: http://cl.ly/4XYO
2394 2011-02-11 22:58:00 <lfm> Jeroenz0r: the cpu time is how cheating is stopped and how the bitcoins are distibuted
2395 2011-02-11 22:58:08 <jgarzik> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3374.0
2396 2011-02-11 22:58:09 <jgarzik> New US Based Exchanger - Main target US Customers
2397 2011-02-11 22:58:45 <gavinandresen> andrew12: I saw that too, thought it was an artifact of running windows in a VM.... It'll go away if you restart, but that's definitely a problem.
2398 2011-02-11 22:59:02 <lfm> Jeroenz0r: the details can get quite complicated useing cryptography and math
2399 2011-02-11 22:59:05 <andrew12> I think that was happening in .3.19 too, but i don;t know
2400 2011-02-11 22:59:22 <Jeroenz0r> lfm; cheating like, cracking a encrypted message?
2401 2011-02-11 22:59:45 <andrew12> gavinandresen: closed and reopened, same thing
2402 2011-02-11 22:59:45 <gavinandresen> If it happens sometimes in .3.19 then it's 'shippable' (unless it happens a lot more now)
2403 2011-02-11 22:59:47 <lfm> Jeroenz0r: sorta, mainly like trying to spend the same bitcoins twice
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2405 2011-02-11 23:00:40 <Jeroenz0r> aha
2406 2011-02-11 23:01:47 <gavinandresen> All right, that's it, no GUI for windows. (KIDDING... mostly)
2407 2011-02-11 23:02:27 <andrew12> haha
2408 2011-02-11 23:02:29 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: I was able to reproduce that 'getwork' crash described a day or so ago, using vladimir's service. 0.3.20 dies mysteriously after about 12 hours of pounding on the RPC port. No additional data :/ I /think/ the problem will magically go away if we use select(2) for RPC as in ThreadSocketHandler2(), but that's a wild-assed guess. select(2) + HTTP1.1 on my TODO list, unless someone steals it from me.
2409 2011-02-11 23:02:59 <jgarzik> (which would be welcomed :))
2410 2011-02-11 23:03:35 <lfm> jgarzik: so it is an old problem
2411 2011-02-11 23:03:42 <andrew12> hmm
2412 2011-02-11 23:03:51 <jgarzik> lfm: if my guess is true, yes.
2413 2011-02-11 23:04:00 <andrew12> if i send some bitcoins to an address, is it okay to close the client or do i have to wait until i get at least 1 confirmation?
2414 2011-02-11 23:04:31 <lfm> andrew12: no need to wait if it shows sent it should be fine
2415 2011-02-11 23:04:38 <andrew12> ok
2416 2011-02-11 23:04:42 <jgarzik> bitcoind RPC is implemented as a synchronous loop per HTTP request
2417 2011-02-11 23:05:17 <lfm> jgarzik: so requests get backed up if its too slow?
2418 2011-02-11 23:05:35 <gavinandresen> afk for dinner...
2419 2011-02-11 23:05:35 <lfm> or missed
2420 2011-02-11 23:05:50 <jgarzik> lfm: yes, or more often, if client A is slow, client B/C/D suffer
2421 2011-02-11 23:06:24 <jgarzik> there is a timeout in .20. ensures one client cannot hold others hostage for more than N seconds.
2422 2011-02-11 23:06:48 <jgarzik> but it really needs async I/O and select/poll/epoll like a real httpd server.
2423 2011-02-11 23:07:11 <lfm> jgarzik: maybe could be done like other servers where connect is sync loop that starts another thread for each request
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2425 2011-02-11 23:07:58 <jgarzik> select is uglier than other choices IMO, but current code uses select(2) for the P2P network nodes, thus giving (a) maximum portability and (b) maximum satoshi acceptance (hopefully) for a select-based JSON-RPC httpd server.
2426 2011-02-11 23:08:03 <lfm> jgarzik: select can have its own problems
2427 2011-02-11 23:08:49 <jgarzik> yes, but at least those are known knowns :)
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2429 2011-02-11 23:09:30 <jgarzik> a bit strange that satoshi directly used select, rather than boost::asio
2430 2011-02-11 23:10:03 <jgarzik> IIUC, boost::asio usage in current rpc.cpp is newer gavincode
2431 2011-02-11 23:10:03 <necrodearia> http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/02/10/189246/Online-Only-Currency-BitCoin-Reaches-Dollar-Parity only 50 comments
2432 2011-02-11 23:10:27 <jgarzik> necrodearia: ITYM 440 comments
2433 2011-02-11 23:10:50 <necrodearia> hmm
2434 2011-02-11 23:10:56 <necrodearia> ah, right
2435 2011-02-11 23:11:24 <lfm> cuz it is only a numerical insignificance
2436 2011-02-11 23:11:25 <necrodearia> The new interface is a bit different
2437 2011-02-11 23:13:33 <jgarzik> Vladimir__: I stand corrected. slush does indeed require 2%
2438 2011-02-11 23:13:54 <lfm> greedy bastard! :-)
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2442 2011-02-11 23:20:58 <lfm> ;;bc,stats
2443 2011-02-11 23:21:00 <gribble> Current Blocks: 107533 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 1330 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 7 hours, 7 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32962.14646425
2444 2011-02-11 23:21:20 <lfm> ;;bc,poolstats
2445 2011-02-11 23:21:21 <gribble> {"active_workers": 608, "ghashes_ps": "46.681", "getwork_ps": 247}
2446 2011-02-11 23:21:42 <lfm> ;;bc,calc 46681000
2447 2011-02-11 23:21:43 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 46681000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 39 minutes and 51 seconds
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2451 2011-02-11 23:28:48 <gwillen> lfm: 'active workers' isn't the total number of running clients, is it? 608 seems awfully small
2452 2011-02-11 23:29:15 <lfm> gwillen: it is the number of people in slush's pool
2453 2011-02-11 23:29:20 <Mango-chan> yeah
2454 2011-02-11 23:29:36 <gwillen> ahh ok
2455 2011-02-11 23:29:38 <Mango-chan> server is at 235gigahashes
2456 2011-02-11 23:29:39 <lfm> gwillen: no where near biycoin net total
2457 2011-02-11 23:29:42 <Mango-chan> slushes pool has 40ghash
2458 2011-02-11 23:29:43 <gwillen> *nodnod*
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2460 2011-02-11 23:30:24 <lfm> 46.681 actually
2461 2011-02-11 23:30:35 toast has joined
2462 2011-02-11 23:31:03 <toast> what is the maximum number of bitcoins i can buy at one time
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2464 2011-02-11 23:33:18 <Hackbat> theroticly everything in circulation
2465 2011-02-11 23:33:27 <Hackbat> I mean if everyone wanted to sell
2466 2011-02-11 23:34:15 <lfm> toast you can figure out the number on offer at mtgox from the graphs
2467 2011-02-11 23:34:33 <toast> thanks Hackbat and lfm
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2469 2011-02-11 23:34:51 <toast> very happy to see the growth in btc
2470 2011-02-11 23:35:30 <lumos> yo, just a little something i've been working on
2471 2011-02-11 23:35:31 <Hackbat> I can see it becoming popular for POS in places like seattle and san fran
2472 2011-02-11 23:35:32 <lumos> that i thought
2473 2011-02-11 23:35:37 <lumos> people could use for their bitcoinw ebsites
2474 2011-02-11 23:35:39 <lumos> for free if they wanted
2475 2011-02-11 23:35:55 <lumos> http://imageupload.org/?di=1412974669291
2476 2011-02-11 23:36:08 <Hackbat> :\
2477 2011-02-11 23:36:17 <lumos> U LIKE?
2478 2011-02-11 23:36:24 <Hackbat> it's umm
2479 2011-02-11 23:36:28 <Hackbat> unique
2480 2011-02-11 23:36:43 <Hackbat> maybe for an art site
2481 2011-02-11 23:36:56 <lumos> hehe i joke with you
2482 2011-02-11 23:37:11 <lfm> or a gay porn site
2483 2011-02-11 23:37:19 <Hackbat> nah
2484 2011-02-11 23:37:41 <Hackbat> cheaper to just use one of their pictures
2485 2011-02-11 23:38:01 <lumos> I SAID ITS FREE, show it to all your friends
2486 2011-02-11 23:38:05 <lumos> C:
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2490 2011-02-11 23:38:52 <Mango-chan> http://mining.bitcoin.cz/
2491 2011-02-11 23:38:54 <Mango-chan> lol ^
2492 2011-02-11 23:39:02 <Mango-chan> it just crashed
2493 2011-02-11 23:39:08 <Mango-chan> slush needs a dedi
2494 2011-02-11 23:39:47 <lumos> if you helped me install bitcoin as a ghost on all my school computers, i would give you all a cut
2495 2011-02-11 23:40:00 <lumos> POOLED MINING
2496 2011-02-11 23:40:12 <Mango-chan> do you have a gpu farm
2497 2011-02-11 23:40:17 <Diablo-D3> lumos: thats a bad idea.
2498 2011-02-11 23:40:28 <Mango-chan> does your school have a gpu farm
2499 2011-02-11 23:40:28 <Diablo-D3> do not install unwanted software on machines that arent yours.
2500 2011-02-11 23:40:34 <toast> link all your playstation's together
2501 2011-02-11 23:40:41 <lumos> WHY NOT, school wastes their oprocessing power
2502 2011-02-11 23:40:43 <lumos> making spreadsheets
2503 2011-02-11 23:40:45 <Mango-chan> why hasn't someone coded a gpu miner yet
2504 2011-02-11 23:40:48 <Mango-chan> i mean
2505 2011-02-11 23:40:50 <Diablo-D3> lumos: because its against the law.
2506 2011-02-11 23:40:50 <Mango-chan> ps3 miner
2507 2011-02-11 23:41:06 <lumos> Diablo-D3, SO
2508 2011-02-11 23:41:16 <lumos> schools have ok cpu
2509 2011-02-11 23:41:17 <lumos> bad gpu
2510 2011-02-11 23:41:20 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: boost::asio started with Satoshi. I dunno why he switched from lower-level to boost...
2511 2011-02-11 23:41:22 <Mango-chan> then it's useless
2512 2011-02-11 23:41:26 <Diablo-D3> lumos: so? you like having to write a check for a few hundred thousand dollars to the school and be expelled?
2513 2011-02-11 23:41:33 <Mango-chan> use that money
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2515 2011-02-11 23:41:35 <Mango-chan> to buy a few gpus
2516 2011-02-11 23:41:36 <Mango-chan> and mine yourself
2517 2011-02-11 23:41:38 <lumos> what the school is going to sue me
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2519 2011-02-11 23:41:44 <Diablo-D3> lumos: they have and they will.
2520 2011-02-11 23:41:49 <lumos> they have?
2521 2011-02-11 23:41:50 <lumos> what
2522 2011-02-11 23:41:50 <toast> school wont sue
2523 2011-02-11 23:41:59 <Diablo-D3> toast: schools have in previous cases.
2524 2011-02-11 23:42:06 <lumos> if you do it correctly
2525 2011-02-11 23:42:08 <lumos> then when i leave
2526 2011-02-11 23:42:09 <Diablo-D3> they have to pay to have the software removed
2527 2011-02-11 23:42:13 <lumos> leave them mining
2528 2011-02-11 23:42:14 <lumos> for years
2529 2011-02-11 23:42:22 <toast> people have used schools networks for personal gain?
2530 2011-02-11 23:42:26 <Diablo-D3> toast: yes
2531 2011-02-11 23:42:31 <lumos> yeh for ddos
2532 2011-02-11 23:42:33 <toast> and the school has sued?
2533 2011-02-11 23:42:36 <toast> wow
2534 2011-02-11 23:42:36 <Diablo-D3> toast: yes.
2535 2011-02-11 23:42:40 <gwillen> lumos: you are talking about setting yourself up for criminal charges here :-P
2536 2011-02-11 23:42:44 <gwillen> I would take some care when doing that
2537 2011-02-11 23:42:45 <toast> i retract my statement
2538 2011-02-11 23:42:53 <Diablo-D3> its happened before when dnet and seti@home users did shit
2539 2011-02-11 23:43:02 <Diablo-D3> admins have also been fired and sued for doing it without permission of their superiors.
2540 2011-02-11 23:43:12 <Mango-chan> what is det
2541 2011-02-11 23:43:13 <Mango-chan> dnet
2542 2011-02-11 23:43:14 <lumos> what did the seti users do?
2543 2011-02-11 23:43:19 <Diablo-D3> Mango-chan: distributed.net
2544 2011-02-11 23:43:30 <toast> at what rate does these btc miners make the coins?
2545 2011-02-11 23:43:50 <Diablo-D3> lumos: so, if you do something stupid, we will not help you.
2546 2011-02-11 23:43:51 <lumos> not worth me mining
2547 2011-02-11 23:44:11 <lumos> Diablo-D3, whoa re you the police
2548 2011-02-11 23:44:13 <lfm> toast depends on power of machine of course
2549 2011-02-11 23:44:14 <lumos> i will do it myself
2550 2011-02-11 23:44:57 <toast> lfm: this is interesting
2551 2011-02-11 23:45:11 <Diablo-D3> lumos: and, as someone invested in btc, I dont want you doing it
2552 2011-02-11 23:45:22 <Diablo-D3> dont bring shame or unwanted negative attention to bitcoin
2553 2011-02-11 23:45:23 <lumos> Diablo-D3, idc
2554 2011-02-11 23:45:37 <lumos> Diablo-D3, shame
2555 2011-02-11 23:45:39 <lumos> what are you
2556 2011-02-11 23:45:39 <toast> has btc been recognized by any major news organization?
2557 2011-02-11 23:45:42 <lumos> the morality police
2558 2011-02-11 23:45:50 <Diablo-D3> toast: slasdot and ars are major news, right? ;)
2559 2011-02-11 23:45:55 <Hackbat> Twit.tv o.o
2560 2011-02-11 23:45:58 <toast> lol
2561 2011-02-11 23:46:00 <lumos> irish newspaper
2562 2011-02-11 23:46:13 <toast> news that came before the internet....
2563 2011-02-11 23:46:22 <lfm> Diablo-D3: so you think there are tax evaders or money launderers using bitcoin?
2564 2011-02-11 23:46:27 <lumos> toast, they are dead
2565 2011-02-11 23:46:31 <Diablo-D3> lumos: it isnt about mortality, its about showing people who've never heard of bitcoin that its evil.
2566 2011-02-11 23:46:34 <Diablo-D3> no one wants that
2567 2011-02-11 23:46:46 <Diablo-D3> bad news travels farther than good news.
2568 2011-02-11 23:46:57 <Diablo-D3> lfm: I doubt it
2569 2011-02-11 23:47:02 <lumos> Diablo-D3, i don't think bitcoin will be anymore widely adopted than irc is, can you give me a reason why it would be
2570 2011-02-11 23:47:03 <Diablo-D3> lfm: you cant efficiently launder money with bitcoin
2571 2011-02-11 23:47:18 <Hackbat> well the bitcoin trade page has silk road on it :\
2572 2011-02-11 23:47:26 <Hackbat> that's kinda bad
2573 2011-02-11 23:47:27 <Diablo-D3> lfm: and tax evading is neither here nor there
2574 2011-02-11 23:48:02 <Diablo-D3> lumos: bitcoin already is being used for business on the internet
2575 2011-02-11 23:48:25 <toast> diablo-d3: how many btc have you made using cycles?
2576 2011-02-11 23:48:33 <lumos> Diablo-D3, only really by a select kind of user
2577 2011-02-11 23:48:42 <Diablo-D3> toast: over 1000
2578 2011-02-11 23:49:05 <toast> since when, 2008?
2579 2011-02-11 23:49:16 <Diablo-D3> hmm, since early 2010
2580 2011-02-11 23:49:41 <Diablo-D3> I was here since before the first major slashdot mention
2581 2011-02-11 23:50:21 <lumos> nice
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2584 2011-02-11 23:52:17 <toast> thats impressice diablo-d3
2585 2011-02-11 23:52:28 DiabloD3 is now known as Diablo-D3
2586 2011-02-11 23:52:31 <lumos> DiabloD3, how did you find it out
2587 2011-02-11 23:52:42 <Mango-chan> [15:39:34] <lfm> Diablo-D3: so you think there are tax evaders or money launderers using bitcoin? <- how
2588 2011-02-11 23:52:45 <toast> *impressive
2589 2011-02-11 23:52:51 <Mango-chan> you have to cash out somehow
2590 2011-02-11 23:52:52 <Mango-chan> don't you
2591 2011-02-11 23:53:13 <lumos> Mango-chan, do you?
2592 2011-02-11 23:53:13 <Diablo-D3> toast: well, I GPU mine
2593 2011-02-11 23:53:29 <Mango-chan> lumos do i?
2594 2011-02-11 23:53:29 <toast> whats the benefit over cpu?
2595 2011-02-11 23:53:31 <Diablo-D3> Mango-chan: yes, but bitcoin didnt tell you not to pay taxes.
2596 2011-02-11 23:53:37 <lumos> Mango-chan, do you have to cash out
2597 2011-02-11 23:53:47 <Mango-chan> i plan on doing so
2598 2011-02-11 23:53:47 <lumos> Mango-chan, bitcoin services may be more of them in the future
2599 2011-02-11 23:53:55 <Diablo-D3> toast: the fastest card out does 615 mhash/sec
2600 2011-02-11 23:53:57 <lumos> Mango-chan, for money launderers...
2601 2011-02-11 23:54:01 <Diablo-D3> toast: the fastest cpu out does around 15.
2602 2011-02-11 23:54:08 <Mango-chan> Diablo-D3 not true
2603 2011-02-11 23:54:09 <Mango-chan> 17~
2604 2011-02-11 23:54:15 <toast> isee the difference
2605 2011-02-11 23:54:20 <Diablo-D3> still, thats a huge difference
2606 2011-02-11 23:54:26 <Mango-chan> i have it running on a 8core w/ hyperthreading
2607 2011-02-11 23:54:30 <Mango-chan> 16 vcores
2608 2011-02-11 23:54:34 <Mango-chan> it only does 16
2609 2011-02-11 23:54:35 <Mango-chan> :(
2610 2011-02-11 23:54:38 <Mango-chan> ~17
2611 2011-02-11 23:54:42 <Diablo-D3> 5970 only uses 300 watts, a 16 core uses like 150
2612 2011-02-11 23:54:56 <Diablo-D3> prices are in the same realm too
2613 2011-02-11 23:55:06 <Mango-chan> no
2614 2011-02-11 23:55:07 <Diablo-D3> ~$500-1000 or so
2615 2011-02-11 23:55:19 <Mango-chan> wait
2616 2011-02-11 23:55:21 <Mango-chan> what
2617 2011-02-11 23:55:37 <Diablo-D3> Mango-chan: wait what what
2618 2011-02-11 23:55:38 <Mango-chan> Diablo-D3
2619 2011-02-11 23:55:44 <Mango-chan> what hardware configs do you use to mine
2620 2011-02-11 23:55:49 <Diablo-D3> just a 4850.
2621 2011-02-11 23:55:57 <Diablo-D3> thats still giving me 75 mhash.
2622 2011-02-11 23:56:11 <Mango-chan> why do you mine?
2623 2011-02-11 23:56:12 <Mango-chan> j/w
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2626 2011-02-11 23:57:13 <Diablo-D3> I mine because I believe in bitcoin
2627 2011-02-11 23:57:21 <Diablo-D3> Mango-chan: I also maintain the second most used gpu miner
2628 2011-02-11 23:57:28 <Mango-chan> oh, right
2629 2011-02-11 23:57:32 <Mango-chan> DIABLOMINER
2630 2011-02-11 23:57:36 <Diablo-D3> yeah
2631 2011-02-11 23:57:38 <Mango-chan> didn't connect
2632 2011-02-11 23:57:44 <Mango-chan> what are the differences between miner
2633 2011-02-11 23:58:01 <noagendamarket> the differences are minor
2634 2011-02-11 23:58:07 <noagendamarket> :)-
2635 2011-02-11 23:58:40 <Diablo-D3> yeah, mostly minor
2636 2011-02-11 23:58:49 <Diablo-D3> mine runs faster, but m0's has adopted most of my features, but not all
2637 2011-02-11 23:59:09 <Mango-chan> i only get like 270m on my 6950
2638 2011-02-11 23:59:10 <Mango-chan> :(
2639 2011-02-11 23:59:23 <toast> are you using the orricial bitcoin app to mine?
2640 2011-02-11 23:59:27 <toast> *official
2641 2011-02-11 23:59:45 <Mango-chan> python miner
2642 2011-02-11 23:59:50 <toast> settings > generate bitcoins ??
2643 2011-02-11 23:59:55 <Mango-chan> no..