1 2011-02-17 00:00:01 <cdecker> Oh no forgot Art: 95%
2 2011-02-17 00:00:04 <cdecker> :D
3 2011-02-17 00:01:12 <cdecker> Got to go too :D
4 2011-02-17 00:01:17 <cdecker> See you around
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7 2011-02-17 00:04:56 <hozer> does anyone ever see satoshi?
8 2011-02-17 00:05:01 <hozer> other than mail list posts
9 2011-02-17 00:05:10 <sipa> no
10 2011-02-17 00:05:22 <sipa> we don't know if he exists
11 2011-02-17 00:06:25 USSJoin has left ()
12 2011-02-17 00:06:31 <nathan7> 12:18:31 < genjix> ;;seen satoshi
13 2011-02-17 00:06:31 <nathan7> 12:18:32 <@gribble> I have not seen satoshi.
14 2011-02-17 00:06:37 <hozer> I think that will be a quite important historical information at some point
15 2011-02-17 00:06:58 <nathan7> 23:59:40 < EvanR-work> phantomcircuit is satoshi
16 2011-02-17 00:07:05 <nathan7> --- Day changed Wed Feb 16 2011
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18 2011-02-17 00:07:32 <satoshi> satoshi is here!
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20 2011-02-17 00:07:37 <nathan7> ...tee hee.
21 2011-02-17 00:07:52 <hozer> ROTFL
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25 2011-02-17 00:08:17 <davux> hi :)
26 2011-02-17 00:08:44 <davux> does anybody have a clue on how to get in touch with "just a man"?
27 2011-02-17 00:08:58 <phantomcircuit> craigslist
28 2011-02-17 00:09:03 <hozer> uh
29 2011-02-17 00:09:13 <midnightmagic> HAHAHA
30 2011-02-17 00:09:20 <davux> i only know he lives around london and his OVH handle is EF2837-OVH
31 2011-02-17 00:09:35 <davux> under the name "En**** Fo*****"
32 2011-02-17 00:09:42 <nathan7> Enrico Focker
33 2011-02-17 00:09:52 * nathan7 runs fast
34 2011-02-17 00:09:55 <davux> :)
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36 2011-02-17 00:11:04 <davux> ok, Eniton Folarin
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38 2011-02-17 00:11:44 <andrew12> ;;bc,diff
39 2011-02-17 00:11:45 <gribble> 25997.87992881
40 2011-02-17 00:12:31 <sipa> what's an OVH handle
41 2011-02-17 00:13:59 <davux> sipa: a NIC handle: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/NIC_handle
42 2011-02-17 00:14:24 <davux> managed by OVH in this case
43 2011-02-17 00:20:21 <necrodearia> Any more volunteers for http://meta.witcoin.com/p/109/category-beta-testing ?
44 2011-02-17 00:20:28 <necrodearia> s/y m/ym/
45 2011-02-17 00:20:50 <necrodearia> actually, nm
46 2011-02-17 00:20:53 <necrodearia> regex is wrong
47 2011-02-17 00:21:43 <necrodearia> It would be awesome if there many more replies.
48 2011-02-17 00:24:09 <necrodearia> Maybe, as soon as an entry has at least 100 upvotes, I will then create all categories that have at least 10 upvotes.
49 2011-02-17 00:24:45 <Necr0s> I used to have one of those.
50 2011-02-17 00:24:56 <necrodearia> "those?"
51 2011-02-17 00:25:01 <Necr0s> a NIC handle
52 2011-02-17 00:25:07 <necrodearia> mm
53 2011-02-17 00:25:08 <JFK911> you lost your handle?
54 2011-02-17 00:25:22 <Necr0s> Maybe I still have it.
55 2011-02-17 00:25:29 <JFK911> i didnt think they expired them
56 2011-02-17 00:25:45 <davux> i don't think they do
57 2011-02-17 00:26:37 <hozer> so I'm looking at the block explorer... it seems quite difficult to keep anything anonymous with the information there
58 2011-02-17 00:28:08 <molecular> ;;seen slush
59 2011-02-17 00:28:08 <gribble> slush was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 12 hours, 16 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <slush> molecular: ;;seen slush
60 2011-02-17 00:30:07 <molecular> if I pm someone and he's "away", will he still get the messages?
61 2011-02-17 00:30:56 <Necr0s> maybe. probably depends on the client.
62 2011-02-17 00:31:14 <molecular> "away" means he's still connected, just idle?
63 2011-02-17 00:32:05 <Necr0s> yeah
64 2011-02-17 00:32:26 <molecular> if he's in fact disconnected the msgs won't be stored on-server somewhere and still reach him? because it said he Disconnected, so he should be off, really
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69 2011-02-17 00:36:50 <andrew12> I'll give 50 bitcoins to the first person who can implement OpenSSL (or at least sha256) in minecraft
70 2011-02-17 00:36:55 <andrew12> </sarcasm>
71 2011-02-17 00:38:09 <Syke> what if every block you destroyed in minecraft was a hash attempt?
72 2011-02-17 00:38:22 <andrew12> YES
73 2011-02-17 00:38:24 <grubles> can you not do that within the game itself?
74 2011-02-17 00:38:45 <grubles> someones already made a basic computer within minecraft
75 2011-02-17 00:38:54 <andrew12> grubles: That's what I meant
76 2011-02-17 00:40:41 <andrew12> TheKid is running a minecraft server at bitcoinholdem.dyndns.biz if anyone wants to join. (also join #bitcoin-minecraft)
77 2011-02-17 00:41:29 <sipa> 01:31:08 < Syke> what if every block you destroyed in minecraft was a hash attempt? -> solving a bitcoin block now takes on average 111661747882631 hash attemps :)
78 2011-02-17 00:41:42 <andrew12> sipa: thats why it would be fun
79 2011-02-17 00:42:11 <andrew12> it'd be cool if the server did the hashing and gave you like 50 gold if you happen to find a block
80 2011-02-17 00:42:14 <andrew12> lol
81 2011-02-17 00:42:20 <andrew12> i could probably write a bukkit plugin that does that
82 2011-02-17 00:42:23 <sipa> you won't
83 2011-02-17 00:42:38 <andrew12> *if*
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85 2011-02-17 00:47:46 <noagendamarket> where can you buy minecraft ?
86 2011-02-17 00:48:01 <bk128> minecraft.net it's $15 one time fee
87 2011-02-17 00:48:14 <bk128> still in beta. going to be $20 when it's out
88 2011-02-17 00:48:23 <noagendamarket> If I get addicted its your fault lol
89 2011-02-17 00:48:25 <bk128> sipa: I liked the suggestion to implement sha256 with redstone gates
90 2011-02-17 00:48:41 <bk128> noagendamarket: I was addicted to minecraft before I got interested in bitcoin again.
91 2011-02-17 00:49:05 <bk128> It's all java and there's a lot of support for modding the client and server too
92 2011-02-17 00:49:17 <bk128> well, unofficial support
93 2011-02-17 00:49:36 <bk128> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=69299
94 2011-02-17 00:53:46 <yoR> I don't get it, minecraft looks like it was made 30 years ago, and the show reel only shows a dude, alone, walking in and out of a cave, chopping a tree and planting some flowers... doesn't make me want to buy it :-(
95 2011-02-17 00:55:03 <chromicant> Its one of those
96 2011-02-17 00:55:17 <chromicant> "Looks like ass, what's the point"
97 2011-02-17 00:55:21 <Necr0s> If I played it I'd probably get it.
98 2011-02-17 00:55:24 <Necr0s> I've not played it.
99 2011-02-17 00:55:29 <chromicant> The you play. And design. And plan and build
100 2011-02-17 00:55:46 <chromicant> There was a great review. Lemme find it
101 2011-02-17 00:56:52 <yoR> The graphics, for some reason, remind me of 4D Boxing (which I played a LOT as teenager)
102 2011-02-17 00:57:11 <dirtyfilthy> old school is good school
103 2011-02-17 00:57:47 <chromicant> http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/2680-Minecraft
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106 2011-02-17 01:01:03 <bk128> yoR: I saw it a bunch of times and could not have been less interested in it. I kept seeing it though so I tried it out. It's surprisingly addictive. don't play it unless you want to kill your productivity
107 2011-02-17 01:01:40 <chromicant> Watch the video
108 2011-02-17 01:01:47 <chromicant> Oh, and if you watched it, from my server:
109 2011-02-17 01:02:28 <chromicant> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/zubXgsmK8dcfB-_ny2MvgA?feat=directlink
110 2011-02-17 01:03:55 <chromicant> (ok, the base client isn't that nice. Added the GLSL mod to the client...)
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112 2011-02-17 01:05:46 <yoR> bk128: Productivity is already grinding to a halt, don't need minecraft
113 2011-02-17 01:06:07 <bk128> yoR: bitcoining addiction?
114 2011-02-17 01:06:32 <yoR> bk128: All kinds of addiction, but Al Zimmermann's Programming Contests most of the time
115 2011-02-17 01:06:36 <yoR> (azspcs.net)
116 2011-02-17 01:06:41 <noagendamarket> bitcoinmining craft
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125 2011-02-17 01:49:04 <JunK-Y> wooohoo found my first blocks via the pool!
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127 2011-02-17 01:51:10 <RBecker> ;;bc,stats
128 2011-02-17 01:51:12 <gribble> Current Blocks: 108601 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 262 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 6 hours, 7 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35725.94586501
129 2011-02-17 01:51:50 <RBecker> Once you get minecraft and start playing... you get addicted
130 2011-02-17 01:51:53 <RBecker> Trust me, I have it ;)
131 2011-02-17 01:52:14 bitcoiner has joined
132 2011-02-17 01:52:22 <JunK-Y> RBecker: hehehe
133 2011-02-17 01:53:14 <afed> i hope everyone is mining as hard as they can
134 2011-02-17 01:53:42 <JunK-Y> yes, but the diff will be crazy :)
135 2011-02-17 01:53:54 <afed> i need downtime to modify my miners and i'm going to waste low-difficulty time
136 2011-02-17 01:54:07 <afed> it's outrageous that i had two GPUs down for five hours today
137 2011-02-17 01:54:11 <JunK-Y> afed: modify it in 24 hours
138 2011-02-17 01:54:44 <afed> yeah i'm converting them all to linux and swapping some drives later
139 2011-02-17 01:54:51 <afed> probably saturday
140 2011-02-17 01:55:30 <JunK-Y> ubuntu?
141 2011-02-17 01:58:59 <yoR> Most miners will survive/keep running when the diff changes right?
142 2011-02-17 02:00:14 <JunK-Y> yes, but im pretty sure some cpu users will just give up.
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144 2011-02-17 02:00:16 <afed> yep, the client takes care of that
145 2011-02-17 02:05:38 <da2ce7> call for donations / pleges for the bitcoin-on-freent project: We are at the stage to hire some developers.
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147 2011-02-17 02:10:08 <johnyh> tcatm nanotube nameless| jgarzik if you would have 15 minutes to review project to anonimize BitCoin by transporting it over Freenet distributed cryptostorage, then please comment on forum https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2312.0 ; This is a draft, it can be still improved. We are also thinking of partially building in mixing service into this BtcFn protocol
148 2011-02-17 02:10:19 * johnyh bbl
149 2011-02-17 02:12:43 <genjix> can't you add mixing after? i.e to avoid feature creep
150 2011-02-17 02:15:44 <johnyh> genjix: yes, that what is proposed there is already very complex in full version, so we recommend to start with implementing 50% of it (skip friends trust and auto scoring and perhaps skip inlining TXes)
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154 2011-02-17 02:17:24 <genjix> ahh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Iranian_protests
155 2011-02-17 02:17:29 <genjix> this is fucking horrible
156 2011-02-17 02:18:08 <Diablo-D3> genjix: I dont think so
157 2011-02-17 02:18:12 <genjix> i have a close friend there who's doing military service in the police... he's pro-democracy and will have to be beating the protesters (his friends)
158 2011-02-17 02:18:12 <Diablo-D3> people deserve freedom
159 2011-02-17 02:18:23 <Diablo-D3> genjix: no he doesnt.
160 2011-02-17 02:18:25 <Diablo-D3> he can quit.
161 2011-02-17 02:18:28 <Diablo-D3> and he should quit.
162 2011-02-17 02:18:30 <genjix> he cannot
163 2011-02-17 02:18:35 <Diablo-D3> he can.
164 2011-02-17 02:18:40 <Diablo-D3> he must, really
165 2011-02-17 02:18:43 <genjix> military service is mandatory
166 2011-02-17 02:18:47 <Diablo-D3> so?
167 2011-02-17 02:18:53 <Diablo-D3> thats not even a real military
168 2011-02-17 02:18:59 <genjix> he has 2 months afaik left
169 2011-02-17 02:19:09 <genjix> he quits and goes to jail for 5 years
170 2011-02-17 02:19:10 <Diablo-D3> what can they do to him? kill him?
171 2011-02-17 02:19:16 <Diablo-D3> is that the worst they can threaten him with?
172 2011-02-17 02:19:35 <Diablo-D3> Iran does not have a legitimate government
173 2011-02-17 02:19:43 m87 is now known as m86
174 2011-02-17 02:19:45 <Diablo-D3> They can only put him in jail if the people allow it
175 2011-02-17 02:19:45 <genjix> tell me about it...
176 2011-02-17 02:19:52 <Diablo-D3> And the people have finally said no
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179 2011-02-17 02:19:54 <xelister> Diablo-D3: 'only' heh
180 2011-02-17 02:19:56 <Diablo-D3> he needs to join his people
181 2011-02-17 02:20:11 <Kiba> what's happening in Iran?
182 2011-02-17 02:20:17 <genjix> you forget how ruthless that cowardly government is
183 2011-02-17 02:20:23 <genjix> they are real bastards
184 2011-02-17 02:20:28 <Necr0s> I thought ahmadinejad was elected.
185 2011-02-17 02:20:34 <genjix> he was not.
186 2011-02-17 02:20:35 <Necr0s> or however you spell his name.
187 2011-02-17 02:20:45 <genjix> he was selected.
188 2011-02-17 02:21:01 <noagendamarket> imadinnerjacket
189 2011-02-17 02:21:18 <Kiba> revolution spreading throughout the middle east, eh?
190 2011-02-17 02:21:29 <noagendamarket> its about time
191 2011-02-17 02:21:45 <Kiba> peaceful too!
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193 2011-02-17 02:21:50 <Kiba> hopefully
194 2011-02-17 02:22:03 <Netsniper> it'll be corrupted soon enough
195 2011-02-17 02:22:05 <genjix> well i don't care about egypt
196 2011-02-17 02:22:08 <noagendamarket> after all those dictators the US likes to sponsor....
197 2011-02-17 02:22:12 <Netsniper> just like the tea party here
198 2011-02-17 02:22:16 <genjix> from personal experience egypt is a religious country
199 2011-02-17 02:22:29 <Diablo-D3> egypt is religious, but they are not an islamic state
200 2011-02-17 02:22:30 <genjix> but iran is not, which is why i keep hoping for democracy there
201 2011-02-17 02:22:35 <xelister> noagendamarket: perhaps you can also review this bitcoin over freenet thing :) https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2312.0
202 2011-02-17 02:22:38 <Diablo-D3> [09:13:28] <Necr0s> I thought ahmadinejad was elected.
203 2011-02-17 02:22:39 <Diablo-D3> no
204 2011-02-17 02:22:49 <genjix> the people are westernised in iran
205 2011-02-17 02:22:59 <Diablo-D3> he illegally held elections, and then threatened to murder anyone who ran against him or vote for anyone but him
206 2011-02-17 02:23:11 <Diablo-D3> he had his agents at poll places too
207 2011-02-17 02:23:18 <Diablo-D3> Iran doesnt have a military, and it doesnt have police
208 2011-02-17 02:23:27 <Diablo-D3> they're just a gang with guns
209 2011-02-17 02:23:27 <genjix> he gained > 100% of the vote :p
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212 2011-02-17 02:23:39 <Kiba> UNPOSSIBLE!
213 2011-02-17 02:23:43 <Necr0s> lol
214 2011-02-17 02:23:43 <Diablo-D3> its time for Iran to fall
215 2011-02-17 02:23:47 <genjix> they have an army within the army solely for protecting the government
216 2011-02-17 02:23:48 <Necr0s> ha ha only srs
217 2011-02-17 02:23:49 <genjix> sepah
218 2011-02-17 02:23:50 <Diablo-D3> like every other country that is a threat to peace.
219 2011-02-17 02:24:01 <Diablo-D3> genjix: yes, that is not an army
220 2011-02-17 02:24:05 <Necr0s> iran govt you mean, yes?
221 2011-02-17 02:24:23 <dwdollar> Would that be every government in the world?
222 2011-02-17 02:24:27 <Diablo-D3> an army exists to protect the country from other military threat
223 2011-02-17 02:24:28 <Diablo-D3> dwdollar: no
224 2011-02-17 02:24:31 <genjix> and then they pay illiterate mountain men as secret police - 'basiji'
225 2011-02-17 02:24:34 <Diablo-D3> most governments dont actively harm people
226 2011-02-17 02:24:42 <genjix> to go around and fight protestors/kill opposition
227 2011-02-17 02:24:42 <Lachesis> does the reported hashes/second rate take into account the fact that bitcoin requires two hashes to find a block?
228 2011-02-17 02:24:59 <Diablo-D3> Lachesis: yes, thats one bitcoin hash
229 2011-02-17 02:25:11 <Necr0s> Lachesis: what?
230 2011-02-17 02:25:15 <Lachesis> so i'm getting 310M sha(sha())s / second?
231 2011-02-17 02:25:18 <Diablo-D3> Lachesis: yes
232 2011-02-17 02:25:24 <Lachesis> Diablo-D3, ty
233 2011-02-17 02:25:26 <genjix> linux is big in iran too ^^
234 2011-02-17 02:25:39 <Diablo-D3> also, btw, sha256(sha256()) is a common technique in some message hashes
235 2011-02-17 02:25:51 <Necr0s> I saw some iranin propaganda thing on youtube.
236 2011-02-17 02:26:23 <bk128> is there a way to identify which psu connectors are on each 12v rail without opening it up? I have this psu. trying to connect it to 1 5870 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817152028
237 2011-02-17 02:27:03 <bk128> +12v1 is 20 amps and +12v2 is 17 amps
238 2011-02-17 02:27:04 <Diablo-D3> bk128: read the diagram.
239 2011-02-17 02:27:21 <Diablo-D3> bk128: and rail one has 5v/3.3v dc-dc transformers on it I bet
240 2011-02-17 02:27:24 <Diablo-D3> so its really 17 on each
241 2011-02-17 02:27:43 <Diablo-D3> and atx/p4 12vs are probably on the first rail
242 2011-02-17 02:27:54 <Diablo-D3> so the pci-e plug distribution is probably already correct
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244 2011-02-17 02:28:46 <Necr0s> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL9MaZQORfI
245 2011-02-17 02:28:55 <Necr0s> "Iranian Propaganda Video featuring John McCain, George Soros"
246 2011-02-17 02:29:14 <bk128> http://raidmax.com/psu/rx_530ss.html has a bit more info. so just use the pci-e cable that has 2x 6/8 pin pci-e connectors? because my other option is to use one of those and then a 4 pin molex > pci-e adapter
247 2011-02-17 02:29:22 <bk128> diagram on it sucks
248 2011-02-17 02:29:26 <Diablo-D3> Necr0s: if I was mccain and soros, I'd sue
249 2011-02-17 02:29:34 <Diablo-D3> just for being in the same video with the other
250 2011-02-17 02:29:43 <Necr0s> heh
251 2011-02-17 02:29:47 <Necr0s> sry, out of jurisdiction.
252 2011-02-17 02:30:06 <Diablo-D3> sue? I meant bomb the fuck out of them.
253 2011-02-17 02:30:17 <Diablo-D3> _wow_
254 2011-02-17 02:30:22 <Diablo-D3> do they really think soros is somebody?
255 2011-02-17 02:30:25 <Diablo-D3> hahahah
256 2011-02-17 02:30:26 <Diablo-D3> fail
257 2011-02-17 02:30:37 <genjix> this really sucks... government has switched from beating people to executing now...
258 2011-02-17 02:30:43 <Diablo-D3> genjix: of course.
259 2011-02-17 02:30:44 <genjix> there will be a bloodbath
260 2011-02-17 02:30:54 <Diablo-D3> yes, and it will be ammidnrimgininjad's
261 2011-02-17 02:31:01 <genjix> but also a good sign if they're that scared :)
262 2011-02-17 02:31:02 <Diablo-D3> I wish that fucker would get a real name
263 2011-02-17 02:31:11 <Diablo-D3> genjix: let them kill people
264 2011-02-17 02:31:18 <Diablo-D3> they are Islamic.
265 2011-02-17 02:31:24 <Diablo-D3> they will not get their 72 virgins.
266 2011-02-17 02:31:49 <Necr0s> Was it the stuff in Egypt that inspired this?
267 2011-02-17 02:31:55 <genjix> erm, people there are generally not very religious
268 2011-02-17 02:32:03 <genjix> less religious that america
269 2011-02-17 02:32:11 <Diablo-D3> Necr0s: yes, and that other country
270 2011-02-17 02:32:18 <Diablo-D3> the middle east has now realized peace is the way forwards
271 2011-02-17 02:32:27 <Diablo-D3> genjix: yet they still stone people to death
272 2011-02-17 02:32:38 <genjix> yeah that's the government
273 2011-02-17 02:32:44 <genjix> universally hated by everybody
274 2011-02-17 02:32:46 <Necr0s> Tunisia
275 2011-02-17 02:34:08 <noagendamarket> genjix that makes me feel sad for the people
276 2011-02-17 02:34:26 <Diablo-D3> yeah tunisia
277 2011-02-17 02:34:37 <Diablo-D3> noagendamarket: yeah but
278 2011-02-17 02:34:44 <Diablo-D3> where were you during the iranian elections
279 2011-02-17 02:34:48 <Diablo-D3> he murdered people then
280 2011-02-17 02:34:55 <Diablo-D3> Iran has a chance at freedom and democracy
281 2011-02-17 02:34:58 <Diablo-D3> they deserve it
282 2011-02-17 02:35:02 <Diablo-D3> its their right as human beings
283 2011-02-17 02:35:15 <noagendamarket> the executions I was talking about
284 2011-02-17 02:35:20 <genjix> hollywood made a good film about it, if you're interested, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PXHeKuBzPY
285 2011-02-17 02:35:39 <noagendamarket> fuck governments and the horse they rode in on
286 2011-02-17 02:35:43 <Necr0s> govt done sold us out.
287 2011-02-17 02:36:35 <Necr0s> Most "first world" govts are owned by Big Money.
288 2011-02-17 02:36:36 <bk128> Diablo-D3: best sdk version for a 5800 with your miner?
289 2011-02-17 02:36:50 <Diablo-D3> bk128: always 2.1
290 2011-02-17 02:36:50 ginn has left ()
291 2011-02-17 02:36:56 <Diablo-D3> bk128: the only time you need 2.3 is if you're on 6xxx
292 2011-02-17 02:37:10 <bk128> Diablo-D3: thanks. and latest driver?
293 2011-02-17 02:37:54 <bk128> it's win 7 x64
294 2011-02-17 02:37:55 <noagendamarket> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Neda_Agha-Soltan
295 2011-02-17 02:38:49 <Diablo-D3> bk128: avoid 11.1
296 2011-02-17 02:38:56 <Diablo-D3> bk128: 10.11 seems to work best
297 2011-02-17 02:39:00 <Diablo-D3> 10.12 usually works for most people
298 2011-02-17 02:39:12 <Diablo-D3> although theres a weird problem that for some people it just shits itself
299 2011-02-17 02:39:19 <genjix> Necr0s: haha that video is brillian!
300 2011-02-17 02:41:26 <bk128> Diablo-D3: 11.2 okay? just sent you a few btc. thanks
301 2011-02-17 02:41:46 <Diablo-D3> havent tried 11.2
302 2011-02-17 02:41:51 <Diablo-D3> but Im going to assume its still broken
303 2011-02-17 02:41:57 <Diablo-D3> _now_
304 2011-02-17 02:41:59 <bk128> ok. 10.11 then
305 2011-02-17 02:42:02 <Diablo-D3> if 11.2 can fix 2.3
306 2011-02-17 02:42:05 <Diablo-D3> I will be happy as a clam
307 2011-02-17 02:44:58 <bk128> i'm just going to install 10.11. do I want the one with the opencl driver? or do I install that from the sdk?
308 2011-02-17 02:45:21 <Diablo-D3> without
309 2011-02-17 02:45:23 <Diablo-D3> just grab the sdk
310 2011-02-17 02:46:18 grondilu has quit (Quit: leaving)
311 2011-02-17 02:49:10 <genjix> A cyber attack by one state on another could be considered an "act of war", Tony Blair's former top national security adviser has said.
312 2011-02-17 02:49:13 <genjix> Sir Richard Mottram told a House of Lords inquiry new "laws of war" were needed to cope with such a threat.
313 2011-02-17 02:49:29 <genjix> why are retards who have no clue how the net works, deciding policy on it?
314 2011-02-17 02:50:11 <Necr0s> didn't chinagov fuck with teh google?
315 2011-02-17 02:50:21 <Necr0s> Also, read up on stuxnet.
316 2011-02-17 02:50:34 <Necr0s> quite fascinating imo.
317 2011-02-17 02:50:36 <Diablo-D3> genjix: wow
318 2011-02-17 02:50:40 <Diablo-D3> Anonymous would be terrorists
319 2011-02-17 02:50:49 <Diablo-D3> sigh. I support terrorism now. Thanks guys.
320 2011-02-17 02:51:30 <genjix> we are all terrorists.
321 2011-02-17 02:51:56 <Necr0s> I gotz terror in mah pantz.
322 2011-02-17 02:56:29 <foucist> how does windows & linux compare for the miner & drivers for 5970 ?
323 2011-02-17 02:58:06 <luke-jr> LOL this is fun
324 2011-02-17 02:58:20 <Necr0s> I only ever tried windows
325 2011-02-17 02:58:21 <luke-jr> I have 2 guys bidding against each other for my USD :P
326 2011-02-17 02:58:37 <Necr0s> It was a freakin 100mb download for the drivers, but it works.
327 2011-02-17 02:58:47 <Diablo-D3> foucist: linux generally is faster
328 2011-02-17 02:59:19 <luke-jr> foucist: don
329 2011-02-17 02:59:27 <luke-jr> foucist: don't believe a thing Diablo-D3 says âº
330 2011-02-17 02:59:28 <Necr0s> my 5970 does about 248500khps per thread on w7.
331 2011-02-17 02:59:35 <luke-jr> (but Linux probably is faster)
332 2011-02-17 02:59:41 <Diablo-D3> well, you can squeeze a little bit more speed out of linux
333 2011-02-17 02:59:41 <Necr0s> using the m0mchil miner
334 2011-02-17 03:00:08 <luke-jr> you can use Python on Windows? :P </troll>
335 2011-02-17 03:00:26 <Necr0s> With linux you can not run a gui, so the gpu can be 100% dedicated to the miner.
336 2011-02-17 03:00:31 <foucist> luke-jr: bidding in BTc?
337 2011-02-17 03:00:39 <luke-jr> yeah
338 2011-02-17 03:00:50 <KBme> well, you do have to run an x server
339 2011-02-17 03:00:51 <luke-jr> currently, the bid is 87 BTC for $90
340 2011-02-17 03:00:55 <KBme> which is kind of weird
341 2011-02-17 03:01:04 <luke-jr> Necr0s: not true
342 2011-02-17 03:01:08 <Necr0s> with windows I can see the hashrate drop when I move a window.
343 2011-02-17 03:01:12 <luke-jr> yeah, see what KBme said
344 2011-02-17 03:01:14 <Necr0s> o rly?
345 2011-02-17 03:01:21 <KBme> yep
346 2011-02-17 03:01:24 <luke-jr> Necr0s: on Linux, you *can't* move a window :P
347 2011-02-17 03:01:30 <luke-jr> (if you configure it -f 1)
348 2011-02-17 03:01:37 sabalaba has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
349 2011-02-17 03:01:37 <KBme> :)
350 2011-02-17 03:01:38 <Necr0s> hm.
351 2011-02-17 03:01:42 <bk128> you have to run an x server on linux?
352 2011-02-17 03:01:46 <luke-jr> yeah
353 2011-02-17 03:01:48 <KBme> yes you do
354 2011-02-17 03:01:59 <Necr0s> I suppose you could run a remote x server.
355 2011-02-17 03:02:02 <luke-jr> â¦
356 2011-02-17 03:02:03 <KBme> my x server is taking 100% cpu
357 2011-02-17 03:02:06 <luke-jr> no
358 2011-02-17 03:02:11 <luke-jr> the X server is the bridge for the OpenCL
359 2011-02-17 03:02:16 <KBme> headless x server over vnc is fine
360 2011-02-17 03:02:23 <KBme> don't even need a wm or anything really
361 2011-02-17 03:02:24 <luke-jr> KBme: that means you're using a buggy SDK
362 2011-02-17 03:02:34 <KBme> orly? :)
363 2011-02-17 03:02:36 <luke-jr> yes
364 2011-02-17 03:02:41 <luke-jr> 2.2+ use 100% CPU
365 2011-02-17 03:02:42 <KBme> the hashrate is fine
366 2011-02-17 03:02:48 <luke-jr> 2.1 uses like 1% CPU at most
367 2011-02-17 03:02:50 <KBme> it's a .deb
368 2011-02-17 03:02:57 <KBme> so i can't really say
369 2011-02-17 03:03:01 <KBme> i amde it work
370 2011-02-17 03:03:07 <KBme> the hashrate is what it's supposed to be
371 2011-02-17 03:03:17 <Necr0s> if I play a video the hashrate can drop into the 230s.
372 2011-02-17 03:03:23 <luke-jr> bidding now up to 87.5 :P
373 2011-02-17 03:03:23 <KBme> and one of 4 cpu's one hyperthread being hogged is not that big of a deal
374 2011-02-17 03:03:29 <Necr0s> on one thread
375 2011-02-17 03:03:39 <Necr0s> for how many usd?
376 2011-02-17 03:03:41 <luke-jr> $90
377 2011-02-17 03:04:28 <andrew12> ;;bc,mtgox
378 2011-02-17 03:04:28 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.0502,"low":1.02,"vol":7857,"buy":1.03,"sell":1.05,"last":1.05}}
379 2011-02-17 03:04:48 sabalaba has joined
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381 2011-02-17 03:05:22 <luke-jr> 87.6
382 2011-02-17 03:05:33 <luke-jr> we are now into petty bidding XD
383 2011-02-17 03:06:07 <luke-jr> 87.8
384 2011-02-17 03:07:52 <Necr0s> get a third guy in there to shill it
385 2011-02-17 03:08:31 <luke-jr> 88
386 2011-02-17 03:08:35 <luke-jr> Necr0s: interested? :D
387 2011-02-17 03:09:00 <Necr0s> heh
388 2011-02-17 03:09:09 <Necr0s> i'd prolly get stuck buying it.
389 2011-02-17 03:09:20 <luke-jr> 90
390 2011-02-17 03:09:45 <luke-jr> the other guy just backed out
391 2011-02-17 03:10:24 <noagendamarket> paypal ?
392 2011-02-17 03:10:52 <luke-jr> yeah
393 2011-02-17 03:11:19 <Necr0s> do they have you send it as a gift to avoid the fee?
394 2011-02-17 03:11:42 <luke-jr> Payment Owed.
395 2011-02-17 03:12:27 <Necr0s> hmm
396 2011-02-17 03:12:43 <Necr0s> I think I can fund paypal with a cc that gives me 2% back...
397 2011-02-17 03:12:53 <luke-jr> ok, I told the 90 BTC bid, that if nobody bids higher in an hour, I'm committed to it
398 2011-02-17 03:13:02 <luke-jr> lol
399 2011-02-17 03:15:41 <noagendamarket> 91
400 2011-02-17 03:16:06 <Diablo-D3> Necr0s: no
401 2011-02-17 03:16:18 <luke-jr> noagendamarket: really?
402 2011-02-17 03:16:18 <Diablo-D3> you cant do cc->paypal
403 2011-02-17 03:16:25 <Diablo-D3> you can pay paypal transactions with cards
404 2011-02-17 03:17:08 ntosme2 has joined
405 2011-02-17 03:17:25 * luke-jr pokes noagendamarket
406 2011-02-17 03:17:40 <bitcoiner> can someone recommend me a free irc client ?
407 2011-02-17 03:17:48 <luke-jr> bitcoiner: what OS?
408 2011-02-17 03:17:49 <Diablo-D3> bitcoiner: wtf? theres hundreds.
409 2011-02-17 03:17:54 <bitcoiner> windows
410 2011-02-17 03:17:58 <luke-jr> bitcoiner: Quassel
411 2011-02-17 03:18:02 <bitcoiner> thanks
412 2011-02-17 03:18:02 <Diablo-D3> grab the GPL build of xchat
413 2011-02-17 03:18:03 <Diablo-D3> not zed's
414 2011-02-17 03:18:10 <luke-jr> xchat sucks
415 2011-02-17 03:18:12 <Diablo-D3> zed is a thief and violates the GPL
416 2011-02-17 03:18:18 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: it works fine douchebag
417 2011-02-17 03:18:23 <bitcoiner> I thot xchat was paod
418 2011-02-17 03:18:24 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: it's gtk
419 2011-02-17 03:18:24 <Necr0s> chatzilla's a free basic one that's available on many platforms.
420 2011-02-17 03:18:25 <bitcoiner> paid
421 2011-02-17 03:18:25 <Diablo-D3> Ive used it almost forever
422 2011-02-17 03:18:27 <phantomcircuit> Necr0s, there is a pretty hilarious attack against paypal actually
423 2011-02-17 03:18:33 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: YES ITS GTK AND NOT QT
424 2011-02-17 03:18:34 <luke-jr> bitcoiner: still free
425 2011-02-17 03:18:35 <Diablo-D3> BOO FUCKING HOO
426 2011-02-17 03:18:37 <phantomcircuit> Necr0s, you agree not to do it in the TOS but honestly who cares
427 2011-02-17 03:18:37 <Diablo-D3> fucking nokia fags
428 2011-02-17 03:18:43 <Necr0s> do tell
429 2011-02-17 03:18:48 <bitcoiner> PP suck
430 2011-02-17 03:19:03 <Diablo-D3> [10:11:22] <bitcoiner> I thot xchat was paod
431 2011-02-17 03:19:03 <phantomcircuit> Necr0s, you use a CC that gives you a % back to fund the account, then transfer money back and instantly pay it off, rinse and repeat
432 2011-02-17 03:19:13 <Diablo-D3> bitcoiner: xchat is GPL, but zed tried to close source the windows version
433 2011-02-17 03:19:22 <Diablo-D3> bitcoiner: theres 2 or 3 GPL builds of xchat on windows
434 2011-02-17 03:19:27 <Diablo-D3> zed can go fuck himself
435 2011-02-17 03:19:31 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, which is totally illegal
436 2011-02-17 03:19:39 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: yes, its a violation of the GPL
437 2011-02-17 03:19:43 <luke-jr> bitcoiner: Quassel is far better anyhow
438 2011-02-17 03:19:45 <Diablo-D3> I should actually fuck his shit someday
439 2011-02-17 03:19:45 <phantomcircuit> his registration code has to comply with the GPL but does not
440 2011-02-17 03:19:59 lzd_hz has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
441 2011-02-17 03:20:00 <Diablo-D3> since he closed source patches Ive sent him
442 2011-02-17 03:20:02 <phantomcircuit> xchat doesn't have a copyright grant right?
443 2011-02-17 03:20:08 <Diablo-D3> dont think it does
444 2011-02-17 03:20:20 <Necr0s> Whenever I need to pay someone a sizable sum on pp, I move out any funds I have in it, and then pay using the 2% cc to fund.
445 2011-02-17 03:20:22 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: if your patch didn't add your name to the copyright section, you arguably assigned it implicitly.
446 2011-02-17 03:20:49 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, an expensive argument
447 2011-02-17 03:20:58 <phantomcircuit> potentially VERY expensive
448 2011-02-17 03:21:02 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: doesnt really matter
449 2011-02-17 03:21:04 <Diablo-D3> people hate him for it
450 2011-02-17 03:21:04 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: only if Diablo-D3 gets the balls to sue him :P
451 2011-02-17 03:21:16 <phantomcircuit> well
452 2011-02-17 03:21:31 <Diablo-D3> I think nenolod has shit in xchat too
453 2011-02-17 03:21:34 <Diablo-D3> which isnt too smart
454 2011-02-17 03:21:40 <phantomcircuit> he's liable for commercial willful infringement for each copy of the windows binary sold
455 2011-02-17 03:21:43 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: speaking of why, why haven't you sued?
456 2011-02-17 03:21:46 <phantomcircuit> which is lets do some math here
457 2011-02-17 03:21:49 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: not worth it
458 2011-02-17 03:21:50 <phantomcircuit> carry the 2
459 2011-02-17 03:21:53 <phantomcircuit> infinity dollars
460 2011-02-17 03:22:04 <Diablo-D3> I do more damage to him pointing out you can freely build xchat on windows
461 2011-02-17 03:22:06 <Diablo-D3> and zed cant stop you
462 2011-02-17 03:22:09 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: hear that? infinity dollars.
463 2011-02-17 03:22:28 <luke-jr> must mean USD has hit no-value finally
464 2011-02-17 03:22:32 <luke-jr> XD
465 2011-02-17 03:22:34 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, lol
466 2011-02-17 03:22:55 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: as a bonus (for me), you'd probably kill X-Chat
467 2011-02-17 03:26:36 <phantomcircuit> oh that's no fun
468 2011-02-17 03:26:47 <phantomcircuit> you can only get statutory damages if you've registered your copyright
469 2011-02-17 03:26:49 <ntosme2> ati-stream-sdk is a pain in the ass
470 2011-02-17 03:27:24 <phantomcircuit> however you still claim 100% of his proceeds as yours
471 2011-02-17 03:27:30 <phantomcircuit> and so could every other contributor
472 2011-02-17 03:27:34 <phantomcircuit> so collectively
473 2011-02-17 03:27:37 <phantomcircuit> lets see
474 2011-02-17 03:27:39 <phantomcircuit> carry the 1
475 2011-02-17 03:27:40 <phantomcircuit> yes
476 2011-02-17 03:27:43 <phantomcircuit> infinity dollars
477 2011-02-17 03:28:46 bitcoiner has quit (Quit: Page closed)
478 2011-02-17 03:30:38 lzd_hz has joined
479 2011-02-17 03:34:58 <afed> ;;bc,stats
480 2011-02-17 03:35:00 <gribble> Current Blocks: 108619 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 244 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 3 hours, 39 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35788.16388770
481 2011-02-17 03:35:17 <carnage_> is there a way to change the directory where bitcoin stores the wallet?
482 2011-02-17 03:35:19 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 265000 35788
483 2011-02-17 03:35:19 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 265000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 35788, is 6 days, 17 hours, 7 minutes, and 11 seconds
484 2011-02-17 03:35:26 <luke-jr> carnage_: change HOME?
485 2011-02-17 03:36:25 <afed> ;;bc,calcd 1200000 35788
486 2011-02-17 03:36:25 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1200000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 35788, is 1 day, 11 hours, 34 minutes, and 50 seconds
487 2011-02-17 03:36:28 <carnage_> can that be done in a startup batch file if i just want it to apply to bitcoin and not the whole windows install?
488 2011-02-17 03:36:33 <afed> ;;bc,calcd 1600000 35788
489 2011-02-17 03:36:33 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1600000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 35788, is 1 day, 2 hours, 41 minutes, and 7 seconds
490 2011-02-17 03:36:45 <afed> looks like i'll still be banking for a few weeks
491 2011-02-17 03:36:54 mtgox has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
492 2011-02-17 03:42:31 <ntosme2> bummer, the difficulty increased already?
493 2011-02-17 03:43:56 <JFK911> did it?
494 2011-02-17 03:45:35 <ntosme2> JFK911: oh...no afed confused me
495 2011-02-17 03:45:38 <da2ce7> ;;bc,stats
496 2011-02-17 03:45:40 <gribble> Current Blocks: 108619 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 244 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 3 hours, 39 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35788.16388770
497 2011-02-17 03:46:40 <JFK911> I think afed is a troll
498 2011-02-17 03:46:45 citizen has joined
499 2011-02-17 03:46:45 citizen has quit (Changing host)
500 2011-02-17 03:46:45 citizen has joined
501 2011-02-17 03:47:14 <citizen> am i doing something wrong? I've been mining at over 3 ghash/s for 24 hours
502 2011-02-17 03:47:26 <citizen> and still haven't gotten any coins
503 2011-02-17 03:47:39 <citizen> I'm using the windows bitcoin.exe with -server as the server
504 2011-02-17 03:47:56 <citizen> using m0mchil's windows client
505 2011-02-17 03:47:57 <da2ce7> citizen, you are prob just unlucky
506 2011-02-17 03:48:23 <da2ce7> ;;bc,calc 3000000
507 2011-02-17 03:48:29 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 3000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 10 hours, 20 minutes, and 20 seconds
508 2011-02-17 03:48:43 <da2ce7> so you are about 90% unlucky atm
509 2011-02-17 03:48:43 <citizen> :\
510 2011-02-17 03:49:59 <da2ce7> but that is a good rig that you have set up there... 3ghash/s
511 2011-02-17 03:50:00 <da2ce7> :)
512 2011-02-17 03:50:27 <da2ce7> if it is any consterlation, I've been mining for a week @ 0.5Ghash/s still nothing.
513 2011-02-17 03:51:59 Bob_ has quit (Quit: Page closed)
514 2011-02-17 03:53:41 <doublec> how are you getting 3ghash?
515 2011-02-17 03:56:47 Lachesis has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
516 2011-02-17 03:58:33 bitcoiner has joined
517 2011-02-17 04:03:20 <citizen> doublec, lots of video cards
518 2011-02-17 04:06:34 <bitcoiner> what the address to get here on irc client ?
519 2011-02-17 04:07:07 <luke-jr> irc.freenode.net
520 2011-02-17 04:07:53 <bitcoiner> mmm i must be doing something wrong
521 2011-02-17 04:08:35 <luke-jr> chat.freenode.net
522 2011-02-17 04:11:15 <genjix> the new tron film is about free software!
523 2011-02-17 04:12:14 <bk128> what files do I need to copy the block chain from one computer to another?
524 2011-02-17 04:12:31 <phantomcircuit> so i've heard that XFX is shit
525 2011-02-17 04:12:34 <phantomcircuit> is this accurate?
526 2011-02-17 04:12:40 <luke-jr> genjix: no it isn't.
527 2011-02-17 04:12:45 sethsethseth has quit (Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~)
528 2011-02-17 04:13:36 <bitcoiner> luke it just dont find the host
529 2011-02-17 04:13:39 <luke-jr> genjix: it started off about *gratis* software, but quickly changed topic
530 2011-02-17 04:13:46 <luke-jr> bitcoiner: then your DNS server is broken
531 2011-02-17 04:14:03 <bitcoiner> how come
532 2011-02-17 04:15:13 <genjix> luke-jr: ic
533 2011-02-17 04:16:58 citizen is now known as citiz3n
534 2011-02-17 04:17:56 <genjix> greatest phenomena of our time, yet media is silent about it...
535 2011-02-17 04:17:57 <genjix> why
536 2011-02-17 04:18:54 <luke-jr> it wasn't that great
537 2011-02-17 04:18:58 <luke-jr> just a remake of the original basically
538 2011-02-17 04:19:03 bitcoiner has quit (Quit: Page closed)
539 2011-02-17 04:26:45 <citiz3n> is there a handy way to query a dns server
540 2011-02-17 04:26:46 bitcoiner has joined
541 2011-02-17 04:26:50 <citiz3n> to see how it is resolving a name
542 2011-02-17 04:27:09 <nanotube> citiz3n: nslookup or dig
543 2011-02-17 04:28:00 <citiz3n> cool, i found a site
544 2011-02-17 04:28:14 <citiz3n> should have used "query" in my search the first time
545 2011-02-17 04:30:58 <luke-jr> http://xkcd.com/852/
546 2011-02-17 04:32:54 citiz3n is now known as citiz3n_zzZZZzZz
547 2011-02-17 04:33:18 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> good night folks
548 2011-02-17 04:42:06 <Necr0s> host name nameserver
549 2011-02-17 04:42:13 bitcoiner has quit (Quit: Page closed)
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551 2011-02-17 04:48:10 bitcoiner has joined
552 2011-02-17 04:48:28 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, do you mind if i use http://pastebin.com/ZSM7iHZw to create a gui client?
553 2011-02-17 04:48:56 skeledrew has quit (Read error: Connection timed out)
554 2011-02-17 04:49:03 <phantomcircuit> actually nvm ill do it myself for entertainment
555 2011-02-17 04:49:12 <phantomcircuit> entertainment/masochism
556 2011-02-17 04:49:29 skeledrew has joined
557 2011-02-17 04:49:33 <andrew12> pretty sure that code is public domain
558 2011-02-17 04:49:43 <phantomcircuit> someone said he wrote it
559 2011-02-17 04:49:46 devon_hillard has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
560 2011-02-17 04:49:50 <phantomcircuit> since there is no explicit copyright notice
561 2011-02-17 04:49:52 <phantomcircuit> id rather ask
562 2011-02-17 04:49:59 <andrew12> he did, and iirc he released it into the public domain
563 2011-02-17 04:50:16 devon_hillard has joined
564 2011-02-17 04:50:17 <luke-jr> andrew12: public domain isn't legal in many jurisdictions
565 2011-02-17 04:50:23 <andrew12> phantomcircuit: in the one i saw, it said "# public domain" on the first line
566 2011-02-17 04:50:26 <andrew12> luke-jr: ok?
567 2011-02-17 04:50:49 <luke-jr> andrew12: that means it's straight copyrighted
568 2011-02-17 04:51:16 <andrew12> and?
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570 2011-02-17 04:53:31 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: ArtForz explicitly said that code is public domain
571 2011-02-17 04:53:33 <luke-jr> andrew12: and therefore, you would have legal problems with a client based on it
572 2011-02-17 04:54:05 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, k, just no way for me to know from the pastebin
573 2011-02-17 04:54:17 <bk128> can I use onboard vga video in windows to avoid slowing down the gpu? just got my 5870 in
574 2011-02-17 04:54:21 <andrew12> luke-jr: i *really* don't care
575 2011-02-17 04:54:24 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: indeed
576 2011-02-17 04:54:34 <luke-jr> andrew12: people in Germany might :P
577 2011-02-17 04:54:41 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: I was thinking of basing a client on that code, and asked ArtForz myself.
578 2011-02-17 04:57:10 <bk128> nevermind. I think my stupid computer disables it when a video card is hooked in
579 2011-02-17 04:57:40 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> if you have an oem, you might be stuck with that problem bk
580 2011-02-17 04:57:53 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> i had same problem with a buncha dells
581 2011-02-17 04:57:55 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> god i hate OEMs
582 2011-02-17 04:57:58 <Necr0s> seems like it should be possible to use both.
583 2011-02-17 04:58:04 <bk128> it's a low-end micro atx asus board
584 2011-02-17 04:58:13 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> i would think it would have a bios setting then
585 2011-02-17 04:58:24 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> tell it to boot to onboard
586 2011-02-17 04:58:25 <bk128> very few options in the bios.
587 2011-02-17 04:58:29 <Necr0s> asus should offer flexibilioty
588 2011-02-17 04:58:34 <bk128> mini-atx maybe
589 2011-02-17 04:58:43 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> look around for new bios or hacked bios
590 2011-02-17 04:58:53 <bk128> wait, microatx was right
591 2011-02-17 04:59:35 <foucist> do you guys go with mATX mobos cuz it's cheaper?
592 2011-02-17 04:59:41 <bk128> so, if i run my monitor off the onboard, do I need to do anything to the ati card config to get the best performance?
593 2011-02-17 05:00:03 <nanotube> phantomcircuit: that code is already incorporated into tcatm's bitcoin-monitor bot that streams live network happenings.
594 2011-02-17 05:00:13 <bk128> foucist: no. it;s not cheaper. it only has 1 pci-e slot. I'm just using this because I have it lying around and my MSI board w/ 2 pci-e slots hasnt come in yet
595 2011-02-17 05:00:25 <bk128> probably the best value to run 4 cards in a computer if you can
596 2011-02-17 05:00:36 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> the ati drivers have a tweaking utility
597 2011-02-17 05:00:44 <bk128> the catalyst panel?
598 2011-02-17 05:00:47 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> yup
599 2011-02-17 05:00:49 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> "overdrive"
600 2011-02-17 05:00:57 <foucist> bk128: it sounds like 2 cards in a computer is best value (otherwise cooling is a pita?)
601 2011-02-17 05:01:13 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> 4 cards isn't a pain with heat
602 2011-02-17 05:01:17 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> just depends on which cards they are :)
603 2011-02-17 05:01:17 <foucist> hard to cram 4 5970s in one comp without cooling problems ?
604 2011-02-17 05:01:28 <foucist> citiz3n_zzZZZzZz: which cards are you thinking of?
605 2011-02-17 05:01:31 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> i would say 5970s would require some creative cooling
606 2011-02-17 05:01:31 <bk128> foucist: riser cards http://bayimg.com/KAAeaaAdp
607 2011-02-17 05:01:36 <foucist> would 4x5870s be ok?
608 2011-02-17 05:01:41 <phantomcircuit> http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/xfx_hd_5870_1gb_hd587a_zn/images/30.htm
609 2011-02-17 05:01:42 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> yes, foucist
610 2011-02-17 05:01:46 <phantomcircuit> lol that's really funny
611 2011-02-17 05:01:47 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> i run 4x5870s in one box
612 2011-02-17 05:01:48 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> no problem
613 2011-02-17 05:01:49 <foucist> bk128: how much are risers
614 2011-02-17 05:01:57 <phantomcircuit> the 2 red vents are blocked off
615 2011-02-17 05:01:58 <phantomcircuit> ahah
616 2011-02-17 05:01:58 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> get a case with 8 expansion slot bays though
617 2011-02-17 05:02:06 isnan has joined
618 2011-02-17 05:02:12 <foucist> for risers?
619 2011-02-17 05:02:21 <bk128> foucist: http://www.dhgate.com/pci-e-express-x16-riser-card-1-slot-with/p-ff8080812c305fe5012c367decb86967.html something like that
620 2011-02-17 05:02:44 isnan is now known as bitcoiner
621 2011-02-17 05:03:03 <bk128> foucist: both of those links are from ArtForz
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623 2011-02-17 05:03:47 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> he made his own custom case?
624 2011-02-17 05:03:57 <bk128> he's doing a lot more than that
625 2011-02-17 05:04:06 <bk128> he made his own custom chips
626 2011-02-17 05:04:19 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> chips to do what?
627 2011-02-17 05:04:19 <bk128> http://bayimg.com/eABDfaAdd
628 2011-02-17 05:04:27 <bk128> chips to do hashing instead of using a gpu
629 2011-02-17 05:04:35 <bk128> ASICS
630 2011-02-17 05:04:59 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> wow...
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634 2011-02-17 05:05:32 <phantomcircuit> bk128, lol
635 2011-02-17 05:05:39 <phantomcircuit> STAND BACK IM GOING TO TRY COMPUTER SCIENCE
636 2011-02-17 05:05:49 <andrew12> heh
637 2011-02-17 05:06:02 <bk128> don't try this at home
638 2011-02-17 05:06:03 <foucist> bk128: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=58783
639 2011-02-17 05:06:08 <foucist> phantomcircuit: you're not satoshi?
640 2011-02-17 05:06:20 <phantomcircuit> i wonder if it would be possible to use floating point operations to do sha256
641 2011-02-17 05:06:22 era has joined
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643 2011-02-17 05:06:31 <phantomcircuit> STAND BACK IM GOING TO TRY MATHS
644 2011-02-17 05:06:32 <jgarzik> heh
645 2011-02-17 05:06:33 <foucist> http://ncix.com/products/?sku=58783 = doesn't look like the same sort of riser as above
646 2011-02-17 05:06:48 <andrew12> will the real satoshi please stand up
647 2011-02-17 05:06:58 <bk128> foucist: that would be for a server
648 2011-02-17 05:07:01 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> that's a right angled one
649 2011-02-17 05:07:03 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, as long as they're IEEE compliant i think it's possible actually
650 2011-02-17 05:07:08 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> for a 1U rack
651 2011-02-17 05:08:09 <jgarzik> most implementations by default tend to be 98-99% compliant :)
652 2011-02-17 05:08:24 <phantomcircuit> it's that extra 1-2% :P
653 2011-02-17 05:08:27 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> where did this "stand back" saying come from
654 2011-02-17 05:09:02 bitcoiner has quit (Client Quit)
655 2011-02-17 05:09:15 <phantomcircuit> citiz3n_zzZZZzZz,
656 2011-02-17 05:09:19 bitcoiner has joined
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659 2011-02-17 05:09:20 <phantomcircuit> http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/xkcd/dacb/
660 2011-02-17 05:09:50 Lachesis has joined
661 2011-02-17 05:10:19 <foucist> stand back i'm going to try your mom!
662 2011-02-17 05:11:05 <foucist> apologies for the tasteless mom joke :P
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664 2011-02-17 05:12:54 <bk128> anyone familiar with m0's miner? when I try to start it it gives me an "import error: DLL load failed: The specified procedure could not be found" with a traceback to a bunch of .py and .pyc files
665 2011-02-17 05:14:30 <Necr0s> Perhaps you do not have the stream sdk installed?
666 2011-02-17 05:14:33 <bk128> pastie.org/1573357 I have the driver installed and sdk 2.1
667 2011-02-17 05:14:58 <bk128> I had diablo's miner working but it looked like it was only doing 20,000khash/sec and I have a 5870
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670 2011-02-17 05:15:40 <Necr0s> I would use procmon to record the events from poclbm.
671 2011-02-17 05:15:47 <Necr0s> That's how I figured out my problem with it.
672 2011-02-17 05:16:08 <bk128> do I need to install python or any other pyopencl package?
673 2011-02-17 05:16:41 <Necr0s> It ran for me without installing anything else.
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675 2011-02-17 05:17:02 <Necr0s> <3 procmon
676 2011-02-17 05:17:20 <Necr0s> It's one of the greatest debugging tools I've found for windows.
677 2011-02-17 05:17:57 <bk128> Diablo-D3: any idea why it says I'm getting 16305/16318 khash/sec on a ati 5870?
678 2011-02-17 05:18:29 <Necr0s> Do you have any other gpus installed in that system?
679 2011-02-17 05:19:24 <bk128> just the onboard. tried using it though but I think my bios disables it
680 2011-02-17 05:19:38 <bk128> it's a p5gc mx 1333 asus micro atx. only one pci-e slot
681 2011-02-17 05:19:47 <bk128> well, it does have another 1x slot
682 2011-02-17 05:20:05 <Necr0s> go download procmon
683 2011-02-17 05:20:38 <bk128> okay
684 2011-02-17 05:21:04 <bk128> ugh, I still have to do a 9s12 assembly programming project tonight
685 2011-02-17 05:21:26 <Diablo-D3> bk128: -w 64?
686 2011-02-17 05:23:26 <bk128> now it says 2789/2802 khash/sec
687 2011-02-17 05:23:28 <phantomcircuit> i see that someone tried to use the via padlock engine to accelerate sha256 operations, but from the forum post i doubt that he actually managed to enagle the padlock engine
688 2011-02-17 05:23:37 <phantomcircuit> has anybody tried this who actually got it working?
689 2011-02-17 05:24:26 <Diablo-D3> bk128: something is seriously wrong with your shit
690 2011-02-17 05:24:32 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: oh, it'll work
691 2011-02-17 05:24:39 <Diablo-D3> the padlock engine is just a bunch of cpu ops
692 2011-02-17 05:24:42 <Diablo-D3> theres nothing special
693 2011-02-17 05:24:50 <bk128> Diablo-D3: :(
694 2011-02-17 05:25:11 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: you can do shit to sequentially crack using it
695 2011-02-17 05:25:13 <bk128> f*** windows 7
696 2011-02-17 05:25:18 <Diablo-D3> bk128: 10.11 on sdk 2.1?
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699 2011-02-17 05:25:29 <bk128> yup. the 64 bit driver
700 2011-02-17 05:25:31 <Diablo-D3> check if my miner is using a lot of cpu
701 2011-02-17 05:25:37 <Netsniper> ;;bc,calc 276000000
702 2011-02-17 05:25:39 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 276000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 6 minutes and 44 seconds
703 2011-02-17 05:25:42 <bk128> with w-64?
704 2011-02-17 05:25:48 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, what?
705 2011-02-17 05:25:55 <Netsniper> ha
706 2011-02-17 05:25:58 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: via padlock
707 2011-02-17 05:26:02 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: its just cpu ops
708 2011-02-17 05:26:13 <Netsniper> ;;bc,calc 27600
709 2011-02-17 05:26:14 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 27600 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 6 weeks, 4 days, 19 hours, 47 minutes, and 33 seconds
710 2011-02-17 05:26:14 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, yeah i was just asking if someone had a benchmark, someone on the forums says they did it and only got 4Kh/s
711 2011-02-17 05:26:20 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: its extremely slow
712 2011-02-17 05:26:28 <Diablo-D3> its like 4-8 depending on cpu speed
713 2011-02-17 05:26:41 <Diablo-D3> which is STILl a shitload faster than the most optimized bitcoin miner
714 2011-02-17 05:26:52 <Diablo-D3> but its slow in comparison to everything else
715 2011-02-17 05:26:58 <bk128> Diablo-D3: like 2%
716 2011-02-17 05:27:11 <Diablo-D3> bk128: cant fix it
717 2011-02-17 05:27:13 <Diablo-D3> its a driver bug
718 2011-02-17 05:27:15 <Diablo-D3> and only on windows
719 2011-02-17 05:27:19 <Diablo-D3> try swapping it out with 2.3
720 2011-02-17 05:27:39 <Necr0s> I never installed stream explicitly.
721 2011-02-17 05:27:49 <Necr0s> I just installed the catalyst drivers and it worked.
722 2011-02-17 05:27:54 <Diablo-D3> Necr0s: you got the one that came with it
723 2011-02-17 05:27:56 <Necr0s> the 100mb version
724 2011-02-17 05:27:59 <Diablo-D3> which means you have 2.2 or 2.3
725 2011-02-17 05:28:01 <Diablo-D3> so you're boned
726 2011-02-17 05:28:12 <Necr0s> naw, things run fine.
727 2011-02-17 05:28:21 <Diablo-D3> its not the fastest possible.
728 2011-02-17 05:28:51 <Necr0s> i dunno, i get about 496m from a 5970.
729 2011-02-17 05:28:57 <Necr0s> should I get more?
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731 2011-02-17 05:29:23 <bk128> Diablo-D3: ok. definitely doing linux on my real rig. do you use a desktop or server environment?
732 2011-02-17 05:29:27 <bossweld> What's the recommended build configuration for wxwidgets? monolithic or multi-lib?
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734 2011-02-17 05:31:00 <Diablo-D3> bk128: I run debian.
735 2011-02-17 05:31:07 <Diablo-D3> only ubuntu thinks there is a difference.
736 2011-02-17 05:31:11 <Diablo-D3> ubuntu sucks dick
737 2011-02-17 05:31:13 <Diablo-D3> do not use ubuntu
738 2011-02-17 05:31:15 <Diablo-D3> ubuntu is for fags
739 2011-02-17 05:31:18 <Diablo-D3> dont be a fag
740 2011-02-17 05:31:40 <bk128> okay. do you control your miner exclusively over ssh?
741 2011-02-17 05:31:56 <bk128> and do you need X?
742 2011-02-17 05:32:04 <Necr0s> screen ftw
743 2011-02-17 05:32:50 <Diablo-D3> bk128: you need X
744 2011-02-17 05:32:52 <Diablo-D3> and no, its a desktop
745 2011-02-17 05:33:09 <Diablo-D3> you dont need anything started in X, or even a monitor plugged in
746 2011-02-17 05:33:13 <Diablo-D3> but on amd hardware, you need X
747 2011-02-17 05:34:46 <bk128> Diablo-D3: so should I try the latest sdk and the latest driver now? or just change the sdk?
748 2011-02-17 05:34:53 <Diablo-D3> just change the sdk
749 2011-02-17 05:34:56 <Diablo-D3> windows is broken somewhere
750 2011-02-17 05:34:58 <Diablo-D3> and Im not sure where
751 2011-02-17 05:35:03 <bk128> uninstall first?
752 2011-02-17 05:35:08 <Diablo-D3> obviously uninstall the sdk first
753 2011-02-17 05:35:11 <Diablo-D3> this is why I like linux
754 2011-02-17 05:35:16 <Diablo-D3> the sdk isnt installed
755 2011-02-17 05:35:20 <Diablo-D3> you just change your library path
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757 2011-02-17 05:35:53 <bk128> uninstall...restart...install....restart..... :(
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759 2011-02-17 05:37:40 <bk128> Diablo-D3: I'm starting to think ati is a steaming pile of sh**. the windows 7 64 bit link is dead for stream 2.3. can I use the 32 bit one?
760 2011-02-17 05:37:52 <Diablo-D3> you dont have to restart for the sdk
761 2011-02-17 05:37:53 <Diablo-D3> no, you cant
762 2011-02-17 05:38:13 <Diablo-D3> bk128: if you're stuck, just grab 11.2 with the sdk
763 2011-02-17 05:38:17 <Diablo-D3> and reinstall your driver
764 2011-02-17 05:38:24 <Diablo-D3> and dont blame AMD
765 2011-02-17 05:38:27 <Diablo-D3> blame windows
766 2011-02-17 05:40:18 <bk128> I was talking about the dead link on ati's page
767 2011-02-17 05:40:23 <Diablo-D3> yeah, it happens
768 2011-02-17 05:40:34 <Diablo-D3> [12:31:11] <Diablo-D3> bk128: if you're stuck, just grab 11.2 with the sdk
769 2011-02-17 05:40:40 <bk128> doing that now
770 2011-02-17 05:40:42 <Diablo-D3> bk128: btw
771 2011-02-17 05:40:44 <Diablo-D3> they renamed the sdk
772 2011-02-17 05:40:56 <Diablo-D3> so they might have either renamed the url or forgot to rename the file
773 2011-02-17 05:41:15 <bk128> url is renamed. file must not be
774 2011-02-17 05:41:31 <bk128> or url matches the format of the 32 bit version that works
775 2011-02-17 05:42:19 <Diablo-D3> yeah try that
776 2011-02-17 05:42:42 <bk128> instead of 11.2 with the driver?
777 2011-02-17 05:42:43 <Kiba> how hot is a typical GPU mining rig?
778 2011-02-17 05:42:52 * Kiba realize that his artwork got the number wrong
779 2011-02-17 05:42:54 <Diablo-D3> bk128: yeah
780 2011-02-17 05:43:08 <Diablo-D3> Kiba: I dont really like over 80c for gpus
781 2011-02-17 05:43:11 <Diablo-D3> or 65c for cpus
782 2011-02-17 05:43:51 tg has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
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784 2011-02-17 05:44:03 <Kiba> 80 celius?
785 2011-02-17 05:44:41 Hackbat has joined
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787 2011-02-17 05:45:14 <Mango-chan> Kiba
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789 2011-02-17 05:45:20 <Kiba> Mango-chan: what?
790 2011-02-17 05:45:21 <Mango-chan> i run mine at 82c/78c 24/7
791 2011-02-17 05:45:22 <Hackbat> ;;bc,gen 34900
792 2011-02-17 05:45:23 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 34900 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 1.35024127268 BTC per day and 0.0562600530285 BTC per hour.
793 2011-02-17 05:45:23 <Mango-chan> but they're crossfire
794 2011-02-17 05:45:29 <Mango-chan> so you have the hot air is rising etc
795 2011-02-17 05:45:31 <Hackbat> yay
796 2011-02-17 05:45:36 <Hackbat> I'm a winrar
797 2011-02-17 05:45:40 <Kiba> 82 degree celius?
798 2011-02-17 05:45:45 <Mango-chan> yes
799 2011-02-17 05:45:49 <Mango-chan> celcius
800 2011-02-17 05:45:50 <Kiba> that's very hot
801 2011-02-17 05:45:52 <Mango-chan> air cooling
802 2011-02-17 05:45:58 <Mango-chan> not for a gpu
803 2011-02-17 05:46:07 <Mango-chan> gpus are rated to take high temps
804 2011-02-17 05:46:26 <Kiba> ok
805 2011-02-17 05:46:38 <Mango-chan> well keep it under 90c and it can 24/7 fine
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807 2011-02-17 05:46:48 <Mango-chan> you're going to lower its lifespan
808 2011-02-17 05:46:50 <Mango-chan> but if it's a good gpu
809 2011-02-17 05:46:56 <Mango-chan> you'd be making it back with bitcoins
810 2011-02-17 05:46:59 <Mango-chan> oppurtunity cost etc
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812 2011-02-17 05:47:40 <Kiba> that's not my purpose here
813 2011-02-17 05:47:46 <Kiba> I just need an accurate number
814 2011-02-17 05:47:47 <Kiba> but thanks
815 2011-02-17 05:47:55 * Kiba is making arts for bitcoin
816 2011-02-17 05:48:07 <Mango-chan> but do note that
817 2011-02-17 05:48:14 <Mango-chan> i'm only running on fanspeed 40
818 2011-02-17 05:48:19 <Mango-chan> normally people run it on like 60 or so
819 2011-02-17 05:48:26 <Mango-chan> so it'd be like 10-15c lower?
820 2011-02-17 05:48:36 <Kiba> mine is too cold
821 2011-02-17 05:48:44 <Kiba> well, the art, anyway
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826 2011-02-17 05:52:17 <bk128> Diablo-D3: so why is the ati opencl stuff so buggy? just because it's still new-ish?
827 2011-02-17 05:53:56 <bossweld> So there's nobody that can advise on compiling bitcoin on Windows on the dev channel at the moment?
828 2011-02-17 05:54:20 <Diablo-D3> bk128: yeah, and its because ati wrote it
829 2011-02-17 05:54:37 <Diablo-D3> amd is trying to make it work better but its difficult
830 2011-02-17 05:54:41 <Diablo-D3> for a lot of users, 2.3 improved shit
831 2011-02-17 05:54:45 <Diablo-D3> but linux still has the cpu bug
832 2011-02-17 05:54:51 <bk128> what's the cpu bug?
833 2011-02-17 05:54:57 <Diablo-D3> it consumes it.
834 2011-02-17 05:54:59 <Diablo-D3> all that you have.
835 2011-02-17 05:55:06 <Diablo-D3> but it doesnt happen on windows
836 2011-02-17 05:55:31 <bk128> Diablo-D3: how do you deal with it? is it only in the newer versions?
837 2011-02-17 05:55:51 <Diablo-D3> I use 2.1.
838 2011-02-17 05:55:59 <Diablo-D3> only 2.2 and 2.3 suffer from it
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840 2011-02-17 05:57:44 <bk128> ok. blah, ati stream sdk 2.3 32-bit installer won't run on win 7 x 64. pops up a message saying it's for 32 bit only
841 2011-02-17 05:57:59 <Diablo-D3> yes, because it IS for 32bit only
842 2011-02-17 05:58:06 <Diablo-D3> the 64bit one includes libs for both
843 2011-02-17 05:58:20 <Diablo-D3> and it wont work anyhow because lwjgl will load the 64bit ones on 64
844 2011-02-17 05:58:35 <bk128> why is lwjgl used?
845 2011-02-17 06:00:40 <Hackbat> can I force diablominer to use my CPU also?
846 2011-02-17 06:01:14 <Mango-chan> Diablo-D3 have you read your sicp today?
847 2011-02-17 06:01:14 <Diablo-D3> bk128: why wouldnt it be?
848 2011-02-17 06:01:19 <Hackbat> I have a 2.5ghz quadcore and I'd like to make the most of it
849 2011-02-17 06:01:21 <Diablo-D3> Hackbat: dont bother, its really slow
850 2011-02-17 06:01:24 <Diablo-D3> Mango-chan: ?
851 2011-02-17 06:01:36 <Mango-chan> have you read your sicp today?
852 2011-02-17 06:01:36 <Diablo-D3> Hackbat: I get about 2.9khash/sec out of my cpu, 2.1 with opencl
853 2011-02-17 06:01:55 <Diablo-D3> Hackbat: and I dont recommend cpu mining with gpu mining anyhow, it usually slows down gpu mining
854 2011-02-17 06:01:58 <Hackbat> only 2.9?
855 2011-02-17 06:02:05 <Diablo-D3> its a c2d e8500
856 2011-02-17 06:02:17 <Diablo-D3> its REALLY not worth cpu mining. ever.
857 2011-02-17 06:02:27 <bk128> it was back in september of last yeat
858 2011-02-17 06:02:30 <bk128> year*
859 2011-02-17 06:02:32 <Hackbat> I was getting 4.3 Mhash/sec with my cpu
860 2011-02-17 06:02:39 <Diablo-D3> you probably have a quad core
861 2011-02-17 06:02:40 <Diablo-D3> I dont
862 2011-02-17 06:02:44 <Hackbat> ah
863 2011-02-17 06:02:46 <bk128> game library...? How is opengl related to opencl? never mind. I need to do a lot of reading/ learning
864 2011-02-17 06:02:54 <Diablo-D3> bk128: its a GL wrapper for java
865 2011-02-17 06:03:00 <Diablo-D3> it recently gained CL wrapping too
866 2011-02-17 06:03:18 <bk128> oh okay
867 2011-02-17 06:06:55 <Hackbat> :3
868 2011-02-17 06:06:59 <Hackbat> fuck yes
869 2011-02-17 06:07:14 <Hackbat> I can run my minecraft server and mine at the same time
870 2011-02-17 06:07:50 <Hackbat> ;;bc,gen 34770
871 2011-02-17 06:07:51 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 34770 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 1.34521172066 BTC per day and 0.056050488361 BTC per hour.
872 2011-02-17 06:08:36 <Hackbat> sooo
873 2011-02-17 06:08:51 <Hackbat> one bloack a month
874 2011-02-17 06:08:53 <bk128> ;;bc,gen 1000000
875 2011-02-17 06:08:55 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 38.6888616815 BTC per day and 1.61203590339 BTC per hour.
876 2011-02-17 06:08:55 <Hackbat> *block
877 2011-02-17 06:09:07 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,gen 4500
878 2011-02-17 06:09:08 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 4500 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 0.174099877567 BTC per day and 0.00725416156528 BTC per hour.
879 2011-02-17 06:09:11 <phantomcircuit> lol
880 2011-02-17 06:09:19 <phantomcircuit> uses more power than that's worth
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884 2011-02-17 06:10:10 <gasteve> I guess not only are the newer GPUs faster, they're also more power efficient
885 2011-02-17 06:10:15 <pwrgeek> ;;bc, stats
886 2011-02-17 06:10:15 <gribble> Error: "bc," is not a valid command.
887 2011-02-17 06:10:33 <Hackbat> ;;bc,stats
888 2011-02-17 06:10:35 <gribble> Current Blocks: 108648 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 215 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 0 hours, 4 minutes, and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35937.59317211
889 2011-02-17 06:10:43 <pwrgeek> thx
890 2011-02-17 06:11:02 <pwrgeek> diff over 35k still expected, ouch
891 2011-02-17 06:11:46 <phantomcircuit> actually i was wrong
892 2011-02-17 06:11:50 <phantomcircuit> that is profitable
893 2011-02-17 06:11:52 <phantomcircuit> but just barely
894 2011-02-17 06:12:14 <phantomcircuit> my i3 550 running all day at full tilt is 0.12USD
895 2011-02-17 06:12:25 <bk128> ok, so I can enable my internal graphics in bios by setting "internal vga" as the boot graphic adapter priority, but then my card doesn't show up at all in device mgr
896 2011-02-17 06:13:20 <phantomcircuit> bk128, nothing shows up at all?
897 2011-02-17 06:13:37 <phantomcircuit> try booting into a linux livecd and see if it shows up in lspci
898 2011-02-17 06:13:51 <phantomcircuit> (frankly i dont trust windows to find hardware right)
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900 2011-02-17 06:14:35 <bk128> I can just get one or the other. probably because it's a low-end board.
901 2011-02-17 06:15:50 <bk128> bios still says it's enabled and getting 8mb ram lol (other option was 1mb)
902 2011-02-17 06:16:44 <bitcoiner> what is 4way ?
903 2011-02-17 06:17:57 <bk128> Diablo-D3: now java is crashing1
904 2011-02-17 06:19:03 <Necr0s> what rate does an 13 550 generate?
905 2011-02-17 06:19:33 <nanotube> pwrgeek: prob gonna be >36k by the time we get to it.
906 2011-02-17 06:19:47 <bk128> had to install 11.2 with the opencl driver since I can't dl the 64 bit 2.3 sdk
907 2011-02-17 06:19:54 <Diablo-D3> bk128: because of a driver bug.
908 2011-02-17 06:20:32 <bk128> wait, working now. I do have to explicitly start bitcoin.exe w/ -server switch
909 2011-02-17 06:20:42 <Necr0s> yes
910 2011-02-17 06:20:53 <bk128> oh, nevermind. did 14000 khash/sec for a bit then crashed again
911 2011-02-17 06:21:00 <Necr0s> apparently there is a way to override the default in the config file.
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913 2011-02-17 06:21:30 <bk128> why does it always show 2 numbers like 14659/14558 khash/sec? is it like 2 sha rounds?
914 2011-02-17 06:22:25 <bk128> is it possible to run this through a debian VM?
915 2011-02-17 06:23:46 <Necr0s> That's an interesting idea.
916 2011-02-17 06:24:20 <Necr0s> I wish VMs weren't so abstracted away still.
917 2011-02-17 06:24:43 <Necr0s> There should be a way to run multiple OSs concurrently "on the metal".
918 2011-02-17 06:25:02 <bk128> Diablo-D3: m0's wasn't working for me at all with sdk 2.1 (but yours was getting 20000/20000khash/sec)
919 2011-02-17 06:25:12 <Necr0s> Just assign the hardware and other resources to the VMs you wanna use them with.
920 2011-02-17 06:25:23 <Necr0s> or OS instances rather.
921 2011-02-17 06:25:23 <bk128> Diablo-D3: I just tried m0's again and it's doing 288190khash'sec on a 5870
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923 2011-02-17 06:25:46 <Necr0s> that sounds normal.
924 2011-02-17 06:26:14 <bk128> I thought you both had the same kernel but just different wrappers.
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926 2011-02-17 06:28:10 <Diablo-D3> bk128: that rather low, btw
927 2011-02-17 06:28:21 <Diablo-D3> bk128: and it shows 15sec/forever
928 2011-02-17 06:28:28 <Diablo-D3> if you're benchmarking, use the second number
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935 2011-02-17 06:32:40 <bk128> Diablo-D3: you mean average of last 15/sec and average of forever?
936 2011-02-17 06:32:45 <Diablo-D3> yes
937 2011-02-17 06:33:02 <bk128> and yeah, I was hoping for the 340mhash/sec on the chart
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939 2011-02-17 06:33:23 <Diablo-D3> bk128: on 10.11/2.1 on Linux, you could get that on mine
940 2011-02-17 06:35:11 <bk128> Diablo-D3: do you use the large or small debian installation image?
941 2011-02-17 06:36:22 <Diablo-D3> I use the netinst images
942 2011-02-17 06:36:36 <Diablo-D3> why would I download things I dont plan on installing? thats stupid.
943 2011-02-17 06:37:46 <bk128> this? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso
944 2011-02-17 06:38:58 <Diablo-D3> debian isnt for noobs.
945 2011-02-17 06:39:35 <bk128> I've used ubuntu a lot. gotta stop using it sometime
946 2011-02-17 06:41:53 <bk128> Diablo-D3: are you in slush's pool?
947 2011-02-17 06:42:12 <Diablo-D3> yes
948 2011-02-17 06:42:49 <phantomcircuit> http://www.compute4cash.com/
949 2011-02-17 06:43:04 <phantomcircuit> lol
950 2011-02-17 06:44:04 <JFK911> HAHA
951 2011-02-17 06:44:14 <phantomcircuit> someone thinks they're clever
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953 2011-02-17 06:45:10 <phantomcircuit> Necr0s, ps i3 550 02/17/11 06:37 hashmeter 4 CPUs 3744 khash/s
954 2011-02-17 06:45:29 <Mango-chan> phantomcircuit is that bitcoin
955 2011-02-17 06:45:45 <ntosme2> is anyone clever enough to get pyopencl to compile in Gentoo?
956 2011-02-17 06:45:55 <phantomcircuit> Mango-chan, it would appear to be
957 2011-02-17 06:46:25 <Mango-chan> how much is one work unit
958 2011-02-17 06:46:37 <ntosme2> I have the ati-stream-sdk installed, and it's still complaining about not finding OpenCL
959 2011-02-17 06:47:13 <JFK911> did you register it
960 2011-02-17 06:47:28 <Diablo-D3> ntosme2: you didnt emerge it, did you?
961 2011-02-17 06:47:52 <ntosme2> Diablo-D3: I did...from an overlay
962 2011-02-17 06:47:55 <Diablo-D3> dont
963 2011-02-17 06:47:59 <Diablo-D3> gentoo is retarded
964 2011-02-17 06:48:02 <ntosme2> well I tried both
965 2011-02-17 06:48:06 <Diablo-D3> they couldnt package a paper bag if they tried
966 2011-02-17 06:48:11 <phantomcircuit> lol
967 2011-02-17 06:48:30 <ntosme2> I have it untarred in /opt/
968 2011-02-17 06:48:31 <Diablo-D3> ntosme2: use the download off ati's site and follow the fucking instructions.
969 2011-02-17 06:48:43 <ntosme2> I did...
970 2011-02-17 06:48:43 <phantomcircuit> ntosme2, you installed ati-stream-sdk from an overlay?
971 2011-02-17 06:48:49 <Diablo-D3> ntosme2: apparently you didnt.
972 2011-02-17 06:49:02 <ntosme2> I tried the manual approach first
973 2011-02-17 06:49:05 <Diablo-D3> ntosme2: did you tar zxvf icd-registration.tar.gz in /?
974 2011-02-17 06:49:12 <ntosme2> Diablo-D3: yes
975 2011-02-17 06:49:21 <Diablo-D3> did you set your environment variable correctly?
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977 2011-02-17 06:50:19 <ntosme2> that's where I think the issue is, did you guys 'emerge pyopencl' or manually?
978 2011-02-17 06:50:48 <ntosme2> CLInfo shows the GPUs
979 2011-02-17 06:51:08 <phantomcircuit> ntosme2, find the opencl .so
980 2011-02-17 06:51:31 <ntosme2> /opt/ati-stream-sdk-v2.3-lnx64/lib/x86_64/libOpenCL.so
981 2011-02-17 06:53:39 <Diablo-D3> ntosme2: what did you set your LD_LIBRARY_PATH to?
982 2011-02-17 06:54:10 <Mango-chan> so
983 2011-02-17 06:54:19 <Mango-chan> how difficult is it to withdraw from libertyreserve
984 2011-02-17 06:54:41 <ntosme2> I'll compile manually, emerge is not going to work
985 2011-02-17 06:55:05 <Diablo-D3> theres nothing to compile
986 2011-02-17 06:55:27 <Diablo-D3> you just untar it somewhere, and export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/ati-stream-sdk-v2.1-lnx64/lib/x86_64/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
987 2011-02-17 06:55:36 <Diablo-D3> and then run your app
988 2011-02-17 06:55:36 <ntosme2> no I mean pyopencl
989 2011-02-17 06:55:39 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, pyopencl
990 2011-02-17 06:55:42 <Diablo-D3> pyopencl is a pile of shit.
991 2011-02-17 06:55:45 <phantomcircuit> lol
992 2011-02-17 06:55:47 <phantomcircuit> truth
993 2011-02-17 06:56:24 <necrodearia> http://bitcoin.witcoin.com/p/129/Making-Money--Gavin-Andresen--Ignite-Amherst definitely needs more attention --- More upvotes!
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995 2011-02-17 06:56:57 <bk128> Diablo-D3: I ran m0's with -v -w 128 -f 5 and I'm getting 320mhash/sec now
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997 2011-02-17 06:57:18 <Diablo-D3> why are people using anything but -f 1?
998 2011-02-17 06:57:25 <Diablo-D3> if you're going to benchmark, do it right.
999 2011-02-17 06:57:35 <Diablo-D3> bk128: and dont use -v
1000 2011-02-17 06:57:42 <Diablo-D3> I wish m0 would remove that already
1001 2011-02-17 06:57:51 <bk128> what do those option's do? yeah, it's all on http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1334.0
1002 2011-02-17 06:58:12 <Diablo-D3> yeah, threads suck. dont read them.
1003 2011-02-17 06:58:36 <Diablo-D3> -f controls kernel run length, lower values == longer
1004 2011-02-17 06:58:39 <Diablo-D3> ie, fps
1005 2011-02-17 06:58:50 <Necr0s> I run 2 threads at -f 120.
1006 2011-02-17 06:58:57 <Necr0s> So I can do other things on the box.
1007 2011-02-17 06:58:57 <Diablo-D3> Necr0s: which makes no sense
1008 2011-02-17 06:58:59 <bk128> Diablo-D3: now I haven't hit anything over 295mhash/sec. the old options were better
1009 2011-02-17 06:59:13 <Diablo-D3> bk128: because driver is broken.
1010 2011-02-17 06:59:32 <Diablo-D3> Necr0s: if you're going to do something stupid like that, you'd just use my miner instead.
1011 2011-02-17 06:59:32 <Necr0s> I don't think it ran any faster with lower values.
1012 2011-02-17 06:59:42 <da2ce7> yeah, both ati and nv drivers suck ass
1013 2011-02-17 06:59:48 <bk128> should I leave -w at 128?
1014 2011-02-17 06:59:49 <Diablo-D3> -f 1 WILL go faster, but m0 will take forever to reach it
1015 2011-02-17 06:59:56 <Diablo-D3> bk128: no, -w 64 is the correct value.
1016 2011-02-17 07:00:11 <Necr0s> The box does double duty as a htpc. If I use the default value of 30, the other software becomes slow to use.
1017 2011-02-17 07:00:24 <Diablo-D3> Necr0s: yes, which is why you'd use -f 1000 instead.
1018 2011-02-17 07:00:37 <da2ce7> I use 256 it works great, no lag... only cost 10Mhash/s
1019 2011-02-17 07:00:50 <da2ce7> my other card I leave at 60
1020 2011-02-17 07:00:50 <Diablo-D3> da2ce7: what, -f? it should be a multiple of 60.
1021 2011-02-17 07:00:54 <bk128> putting -v back in made it go back to 320. f is still 1. changing w to 64 now
1022 2011-02-17 07:00:57 <da2ce7> -f
1023 2011-02-17 07:01:11 <da2ce7> yeah, it works better if not a multipe of 60, less lag
1024 2011-02-17 07:01:16 <da2ce7> for a slight cost
1025 2011-02-17 07:01:26 <Diablo-D3> da2ce7: not at all, it works better if its a multiple of 60...
1026 2011-02-17 07:01:39 <Diablo-D3> and it doesnt matter
1027 2011-02-17 07:01:43 <Diablo-D3> if you're not using my miner, its slower.
1028 2011-02-17 07:01:53 <da2ce7> yeah, i'm using m0's
1029 2011-02-17 07:02:01 <Diablo-D3> m0s will never catch up to mine
1030 2011-02-17 07:02:02 <phantomcircuit> ntosme2, echo "/opt/ati-stream-sdk-v2.3-lnx64/lib/x86_64/" >> /etc/ld.so.conf
1031 2011-02-17 07:02:04 <da2ce7> on win 7.
1032 2011-02-17 07:02:14 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: dont EVER do that.
1033 2011-02-17 07:02:27 <da2ce7> yeah, I'm not so presious of the 20Mhash/s I'm missing out on
1034 2011-02-17 07:02:33 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, psh
1035 2011-02-17 07:02:40 <Diablo-D3> I wish people would learn how to use Linux.
1036 2011-02-17 07:02:41 <Diablo-D3> its not hard.
1037 2011-02-17 07:03:02 <phantomcircuit> you and your safe directories
1038 2011-02-17 07:03:08 <Necr0s> what do you suggest then?
1039 2011-02-17 07:03:20 <Necr0s> I've added paths to ld.so.conf plenty of times and not had troubles.
1040 2011-02-17 07:03:21 <da2ce7> well cya boys (and maybe girls)... check out: https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2312.0
1041 2011-02-17 07:03:30 <da2ce7> we are needing pleges to get this thing up an running.
1042 2011-02-17 07:03:39 <phantomcircuit> Necr0s, you're supposed to use ldconfig
1043 2011-02-17 07:03:54 <Necr0s> Yeah, I modify the file, and then run ldconfig.
1044 2011-02-17 07:04:28 <phantomcircuit> maybe he's gonna say something like
1045 2011-02-17 07:04:53 <phantomcircuit> cp /etc/ld.so.conf /etc/ld.so.conf.orig or something
1046 2011-02-17 07:06:14 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, correct us wise one
1047 2011-02-17 07:06:15 <phantomcircuit> :P
1048 2011-02-17 07:06:27 <Diablo-D3> [01:48:25] <Diablo-D3> you just untar it somewhere, and export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/ati-stream-sdk-v2.1-lnx64/lib/x86_64/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
1049 2011-02-17 07:06:57 <phantomcircuit> you'd have to set that everytime you ran a pyopencl program...
1050 2011-02-17 07:09:07 <Necr0s> Don't you have to set some other var(s) too?
1051 2011-02-17 07:09:11 <Necr0s> LDFLAGS or something.
1052 2011-02-17 07:09:17 <Necr0s> I remember doing it that way and hating it.
1053 2011-02-17 07:09:23 <Necr0s> CFLAGS too
1054 2011-02-17 07:09:41 <phantomcircuit> nope
1055 2011-02-17 07:09:46 <necrodearia> http://bitcoin.witcoin.com is now visible!
1056 2011-02-17 07:10:17 <phantomcircuit> LD_LIBRARY_PATH is a runtime instruction to the runtime linker
1057 2011-02-17 07:10:28 <phantomcircuit> it's so you can override the defaults
1058 2011-02-17 07:10:54 <phantomcircuit> but if you're going to install a system wide library i cant see the benefit of doing it this way
1059 2011-02-17 07:15:44 <bk128> does slush's pool always randomly send test blocks?
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1062 2011-02-17 07:17:21 <bk128> wow, I really need to build a custom case to get better cooling. this thing is hot
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1065 2011-02-17 07:23:10 <ntosme2> is there a 64-bit pkg for DiabloMiner or do I have to do it myself?
1066 2011-02-17 07:27:05 <ntosme2> erm...so the 64-bit lib is in there but it didn't use it
1067 2011-02-17 07:31:32 <nathan7> la la la la
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1075 2011-02-17 07:53:11 <bossweld> okay, anyone here know about building openssl / libeay32.lib on windows?
1076 2011-02-17 07:56:17 <doublec> it builds fine with mingw iirc
1077 2011-02-17 08:00:28 Lis has joined
1078 2011-02-17 08:02:04 * Lis hi all
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1081 2011-02-17 08:02:42 <bossweld> doublec: do you know if Bitcoin official build builds openssl with ASM? Or do they get the pre-built binaries from the "Win32 OpenSSL Installation Project"
1082 2011-02-17 08:03:04 <bossweld> I'll give it a go with mingw as well, see if that makes a difference
1083 2011-02-17 08:03:06 <doublec> bossweld: no, I don't know what it uses.
1084 2011-02-17 08:03:14 <doublec> bossweld: I've built it with mingw however
1085 2011-02-17 08:03:22 <bossweld> okay, thanks
1086 2011-02-17 08:03:26 <doublec> it's a bit of a mission tracking all the dependancies down but does work
1087 2011-02-17 08:04:15 <bossweld> yeah, it's giving me some makefile rule error for crypto\md4 at the moment, trying to track that problem down at the moment.
1088 2011-02-17 08:05:37 <bk128> still haven't gotten my card under 85C :(
1089 2011-02-17 08:12:05 <ntosme2> aha so that was actually very simple: 1. install ati-stream-sdk-bin from overlay, 2 grab pyopencl source, 3 ./configure.py --cl-lib-dir=/opt/ati-stream-sdk/lib/x86_64/, 4 make, 5 make install
1090 2011-02-17 08:12:31 <ntosme2> 146000 khash/s
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1096 2011-02-17 08:18:34 <ntosme2> now to go shove it in a closet
1097 2011-02-17 08:20:00 <Lis> please tell me how you look at my list of addresses, ./bitcoind
1098 2011-02-17 08:20:42 <Lis> sorry *how I look
1099 2011-02-17 08:21:04 <doublec> I don't think there is a way
1100 2011-02-17 08:21:22 <bk128> ntosme2: mine wouldn't be happy in a closet. mine isn't happy with a blower fan on the side of the card
1101 2011-02-17 08:22:03 <ntosme2> mine is currently dual 5770s
1102 2011-02-17 08:22:21 <bk128> I still cant get my sapphire 5870 under 85C
1103 2011-02-17 08:22:28 <ntosme2> they have pretty noisy fans, and a 120mm exaust
1104 2011-02-17 08:23:30 <ntosme2> are their any tricks to have multiple cards not slow eachother down?
1105 2011-02-17 08:24:48 <Lis> If I do not know my address, how to send money?
1106 2011-02-17 08:25:42 <bk128> not slow eachother down from heat?
1107 2011-02-17 08:26:33 <doublec> Lis, you only need an address to receive money
1108 2011-02-17 08:26:43 <doublec> Lis, and you can create a new one when you want to receive money with:
1109 2011-02-17 08:27:08 <doublec> Lis: ./bitcoind getnewaddress
1110 2011-02-17 08:28:35 <Lis> doublec, I did it, now the address was added in wallet.dat?
1111 2011-02-17 08:28:50 <ntosme2> actually, I'm getting 115000 with 0 and ~50000 with 1
1112 2011-02-17 08:28:54 <ntosme2> any ideas?
1113 2011-02-17 08:29:08 <doublec> Lis: yes
1114 2011-02-17 08:30:35 <Lis> doublec, I can see the addresses in the file?
1115 2011-02-17 08:31:34 <Lis> and make 3 addresses, I want to remove somÑe
1116 2011-02-17 08:32:17 <doublec> you can't remove addresses
1117 2011-02-17 08:32:32 <bossweld> re openssl build: problem is only with 1.0.0d - there was a problem generating the makefiles using the supplied perl scripts. Works with 0.9.8r though.
1118 2011-02-17 08:32:41 <doublec> you can see transactions related to an address with things like 'listreceivedbyaddress'
1119 2011-02-17 08:33:06 <doublec> I can't recall which openssl I tried. It was about 4 months ago.
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1121 2011-02-17 08:37:28 <Lis> doublec, Thank you very much.
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1123 2011-02-17 08:44:25 <Mango-chan> [22:46:58] <Mango-chan> so
1124 2011-02-17 08:44:26 <Mango-chan> [22:47:07] <Mango-chan> how difficult is it to withdraw from libertyreserve
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1126 2011-02-17 08:49:29 <doublec> Mango-chan: I've never tried it
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1128 2011-02-17 08:51:35 <Mango-chan> so
1129 2011-02-17 08:57:38 <Syke> Mango-chan, withdraw from liberty reserver to dollars? you can't. you have to use an exchanger.
1130 2011-02-17 08:57:50 <Mango-chan> what's the best way to sell bitcoins
1131 2011-02-17 08:58:05 <JFK911> I buy bitcoins for straight paypal
1132 2011-02-17 08:58:14 <doublec> offer to sell on #bitcoin-otc
1133 2011-02-17 08:58:23 <doublec> there's usually always someone there willing to do it for paypal or other
1134 2011-02-17 08:58:51 <Syke> "sell" is too vague
1135 2011-02-17 08:58:57 <doublec> or sell it on mtgox and then sell the resulting mtgox dollars on bitcoin-otc
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1142 2011-02-17 09:07:05 <slush> ;;bc,stats
1143 2011-02-17 09:07:08 <gribble> Current Blocks: 108682 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 181 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 20 hours, 9 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36123.78892122
1144 2011-02-17 09:07:16 <slush> @#$%^&
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1151 2011-02-17 09:37:07 <TD> slush: is there a calculator anywhere that goes from difficulty to gigahash/sec ?
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1153 2011-02-17 09:39:37 <ntosme2> so I'm noticing odd things with poblcm and 2 GPUs
1154 2011-02-17 09:40:23 <ntosme2> with a single GPU, the hash/s will start to taper off, but if I start the second, the first will kick back up to 100%
1155 2011-02-17 09:42:30 <ntosme2> also, it seems one of two GPUs is always 1/5 of the full hash/s rate
1156 2011-02-17 09:44:27 <bk128> 36000 now??? :(
1157 2011-02-17 09:44:51 <bk128> ;;bc,calcd 1000000 36500
1158 2011-02-17 09:44:52 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 36500, is 1 day, 19 hours, 32 minutes, and 46 seconds
1159 2011-02-17 09:45:23 <ntosme2> ?
1160 2011-02-17 09:48:19 <Diablo-D3> ntosme2: I suspect you're doing it wrong.
1161 2011-02-17 09:48:44 <ntosme2> in what way though...
1162 2011-02-17 09:53:53 <Diablo-D3> who knows.
1163 2011-02-17 09:54:03 <Diablo-D3> it sounds like you're running both on the same gpu
1164 2011-02-17 09:56:47 <ntosme2> poclbm may be, I'm not telling it to
1165 2011-02-17 09:57:19 <sipa> you need to tell it explicitly which gpu to run on
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1167 2011-02-17 09:57:33 <ntosme2> yes, I used -d0 and -d1
1168 2011-02-17 09:58:29 <Diablo-D3> but what is your DISPLAY set to?
1169 2011-02-17 09:58:46 <ntosme2> ah, you might have me there
1170 2011-02-17 09:58:52 <ntosme2> silly ATI
1171 2011-02-17 09:59:52 <sipa> ;;bc,diff
1172 2011-02-17 09:59:53 <gribble> 25997.87992881
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1174 2011-02-17 10:00:18 <sipa> TD: difficulty D corresponds to D*7.158388055 MHash/s
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1176 2011-02-17 10:01:38 <Keefe> or put another way: D*2^32/600
1177 2011-02-17 10:01:55 <TD> thanks
1178 2011-02-17 10:02:28 <Keefe> D*2^32/600 hash/s
1179 2011-02-17 10:03:17 <TD> so we're at about 260 gigahash/sec
1180 2011-02-17 10:03:31 <TD> awe inspiring, really. i wonder if we'll hit 1 terahash/sec this year
1181 2011-02-17 10:03:53 <sipa> TD: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed.png :)
1182 2011-02-17 10:04:29 <TD> do you have a version not plotted on a log scale?
1183 2011-02-17 10:04:30 <sipa> we're closer to 300 Ghash/s now - difficulty always lags behind
1184 2011-02-17 10:04:44 <TD> superb
1185 2011-02-17 10:04:45 <sipa> i can make one
1186 2011-02-17 10:04:58 <sipa> but i doubt it would look good :)
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1188 2011-02-17 10:07:50 <bk128> any chance someone here knows 68hc11 assembly?
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1191 2011-02-17 10:10:08 <sipa> TD: it looks quite painful without a logscale: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin.png
1192 2011-02-17 10:11:54 <TD> interesting
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1194 2011-02-17 10:12:08 <TD> well, yes, but it's easier to communicate the idea of exponential growth to somebody on a non log scale graph
1195 2011-02-17 10:12:14 <TD> lots of people have never encountered log-scale graphs before
1196 2011-02-17 10:12:17 <sipa> true
1197 2011-02-17 10:17:56 <sipa> maybe i should make the linear graph start at july 2010, instead of januari 2009
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1200 2011-02-17 10:31:32 <UukGoblin> sipa, having the mtgox trade price and volume on a separate graph with the same timescale would be cool :-]
1201 2011-02-17 10:32:27 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,stats
1202 2011-02-17 10:32:29 <gribble> Current Blocks: 108693 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 170 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 18 hours, 59 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36138.98690720
1203 2011-02-17 10:33:18 <ntosme2> poclbm really dislikes multiple cards
1204 2011-02-17 10:33:33 <UukGoblin> use diablo
1205 2011-02-17 10:33:37 <UukGoblin> how many multiple?
1206 2011-02-17 10:33:39 <ntosme2> 2
1207 2011-02-17 10:34:04 <UukGoblin> yeah, try diablo :-]
1208 2011-02-17 10:34:05 <ntosme2> I haven't been able to get diablo working on 64-bit
1209 2011-02-17 10:34:37 <UukGoblin> what's the problem? works for me
1210 2011-02-17 10:34:41 <ntosme2> is it correct to have two separate xorg.conf files and run an X session with each?
1211 2011-02-17 10:35:00 <UukGoblin> above 4 cards I believe it is
1212 2011-02-17 10:35:08 <ntosme2> or how do you tell it to use one display or the other?
1213 2011-02-17 10:35:21 <UukGoblin> with diablo you don't care
1214 2011-02-17 10:35:39 <ntosme2> gah...
1215 2011-02-17 10:35:40 <UukGoblin> you tell it by using the DISPLAY environment variable
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1217 2011-02-17 10:36:19 <sipa> use DISPLAY=:0.0 for the first, DISPLAY=:0.1 for the other (when using poclbm)
1218 2011-02-17 10:36:19 <ntosme2> so when I try that, there is only :0, not :0 and :1 like I'd expect from separate cards
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1220 2011-02-17 10:36:28 <ntosme2> hmm
1221 2011-02-17 10:36:37 <sipa> when using diablo you can just use DISPLAY=:0 and let it work on both screens
1222 2011-02-17 10:36:45 <ntosme2> tried that too and I had the same performance problem
1223 2011-02-17 10:37:04 <sipa> and check which cards -d0 and -d1 correspond to
1224 2011-02-17 10:37:08 <ntosme2> dang diablo
1225 2011-02-17 10:37:10 <sipa> maybe one maps to a cpu
1226 2011-02-17 10:37:49 <UukGoblin> ntosme2, what's your problem with diablo miner, why can't you get it to work?
1227 2011-02-17 10:37:49 <ntosme2> only one card shows up on :0.0 vs :0.1
1228 2011-02-17 10:38:16 <sipa> that's normal
1229 2011-02-17 10:38:23 <sipa> you're specifically selecting only one
1230 2011-02-17 10:38:53 <ntosme2> sipa: ya, so I specify -d0 to each poclbm
1231 2011-02-17 10:39:15 <ntosme2> then one is ~150000 and the other is ~5000
1232 2011-02-17 10:39:18 <Raulo> TD: For fine grained global hashing speed: one day H/s average is 2^32*D/600*block_last_day/144
1233 2011-02-17 10:39:37 <Raulo> We had 262 blocks last 24h (see bitcoinwatch.com)
1234 2011-02-17 10:39:45 <Raulo> That's about 340 GH/s
1235 2011-02-17 10:39:51 <KBme> yay i found a second block
1236 2011-02-17 10:39:56 <Raulo> We touched 350 GH/s
1237 2011-02-17 10:40:15 <Raulo> Next difficulty increase will also be brutal
1238 2011-02-17 10:40:29 <molecular> yeah, friggin exponential growth
1239 2011-02-17 10:40:49 <Raulo> It has to slow some day but now mining is too profitable
1240 2011-02-17 10:41:03 <sipa> it will keep growing as long as it is profitable
1241 2011-02-17 10:41:09 <molecular> we could sell much BTC, then rate will drop ;)
1242 2011-02-17 10:41:37 <ntosme2> UukGoblin: I get "UnsatisfiedLinkError [snip] libjawt.so: symbol awt_FreeDrawingSurface, version SUNWprivate_1.1 not defined in file libmawt.so with link time reference"
1243 2011-02-17 10:41:41 <Raulo> Difficulty would have to increase about 20-fold to make GPU mining unprofitable
1244 2011-02-17 10:41:52 <Raulo> Or the BTC prices drop 20-fold :)
1245 2011-02-17 10:41:57 <sipa> depends on electricity price
1246 2011-02-17 10:42:03 <molecular> not with german power-cost, that will be earlier
1247 2011-02-17 10:42:09 <Raulo> On average
1248 2011-02-17 10:42:10 <sipa> indeed
1249 2011-02-17 10:42:26 <UukGoblin> ntosme2, ok, let Diablo-D3 announce his verdict once his back
1250 2011-02-17 10:42:32 <UukGoblin> he'll probably say it's your fault though
1251 2011-02-17 10:42:36 <sipa> i've had that error too
1252 2011-02-17 10:42:40 <ntosme2> o?
1253 2011-02-17 10:42:42 <sipa> can't remember how i fixed it
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1255 2011-02-17 10:42:55 <sipa> other jvm maybe
1256 2011-02-17 10:43:09 <ntosme2> I tried icedtea and sun
1257 2011-02-17 10:43:36 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3 will probably kill you if you're not using sun 1.6 ;-]
1258 2011-02-17 10:43:38 <Diablo-D3> Im right here
1259 2011-02-17 10:43:39 <Diablo-D3> what
1260 2011-02-17 10:43:40 <UukGoblin> I mean, oracle
1261 2011-02-17 10:43:41 <molecular> will try to sell my 5970 before ArtForz floods the market at some point in the future ;)
1262 2011-02-17 10:43:54 <Diablo-D3> [05:34:35] <ntosme2> UukGoblin: I get "UnsatisfiedLinkError [snip] libjawt.so: symbol awt_FreeDrawingSurface, version SUNWprivate_1.1 not defined in file libmawt.so with link time reference"
1263 2011-02-17 10:44:00 <Diablo-D3> I think I already told you how to fix that error
1264 2011-02-17 10:44:06 <Diablo-D3> do not use the headless version of the jre
1265 2011-02-17 10:44:11 <Diablo-D3> you must have X running
1266 2011-02-17 10:44:14 <UukGoblin> mornin' diablo
1267 2011-02-17 10:44:17 <sipa> ah right
1268 2011-02-17 10:45:34 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, have you got any tips on decreasing your miner's memory usage?
1269 2011-02-17 10:45:48 <UukGoblin> I know you can set a lot of memory stuff via some magical java switches
1270 2011-02-17 10:45:53 <ntosme2> Diablo-D3: that simple eh...yes it works...no it was not me you told
1271 2011-02-17 10:46:12 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: its java, it should only be using around 120 megs.
1272 2011-02-17 10:46:18 <sipa> it uses 140M here, quite reasonable
1273 2011-02-17 10:46:22 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, it's using 375
1274 2011-02-17 10:46:24 <Diablo-D3> ntosme2: about 9000 people have failed to read the thread.
1275 2011-02-17 10:46:32 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: yeah which leads me to believe your java is broken
1276 2011-02-17 10:46:36 <molecular> ;;bc,calc 5000
1277 2011-02-17 10:46:37 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 5000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 36 weeks, 6 days, 11 hours, 20 minutes, and 8 seconds
1278 2011-02-17 10:46:53 <ntosme2> the thread needs to be a condensed wiki
1279 2011-02-17 10:47:02 <UukGoblin> $ java -version
1280 2011-02-17 10:47:02 <UukGoblin> java version "1.6.0_22"
1281 2011-02-17 10:47:20 <sipa> $ java -version
1282 2011-02-17 10:47:20 <sipa> java version "1.6.0_20"
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1284 2011-02-17 10:47:57 <UukGoblin> how many cards with that 140M?
1285 2011-02-17 10:48:00 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: yeah, but whos build?
1286 2011-02-17 10:48:40 <UukGoblin> sun-java6-jre: Installed: 6.22-0ubuntu1~10.04
1287 2011-02-17 10:48:43 <sipa> 1 4870
1288 2011-02-17 10:48:51 <UukGoblin> I'm @ 3x 5970
1289 2011-02-17 10:48:58 <UukGoblin> so 6 chips
1290 2011-02-17 10:49:06 <sipa> maybe not too unreasonable
1291 2011-02-17 10:49:09 <sipa> in that case :)
1292 2011-02-17 10:49:11 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: how much memory?
1293 2011-02-17 10:49:18 <sipa> 375M
1294 2011-02-17 10:49:27 <Diablo-D3> sipa: wait, a 4870 is doing 140? wtf?
1295 2011-02-17 10:49:30 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, 375M RES as reported by top, 940m VIRT
1296 2011-02-17 10:49:37 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: no I mean, how much memory in the box
1297 2011-02-17 10:49:39 <sipa> Diablo-D3: 140M memory
1298 2011-02-17 10:49:42 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, 1GB
1299 2011-02-17 10:49:49 <Diablo-D3> ... something is very fucking wrong.
1300 2011-02-17 10:49:56 <sipa> it's doing 103MH/s
1301 2011-02-17 10:49:58 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: try openjdk
1302 2011-02-17 10:49:59 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, but when I add 2x more 5970s... I'll need to run a VM or something and 2 instances of the miner
1303 2011-02-17 10:50:09 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: no you dont.
1304 2011-02-17 10:50:09 <KBme> yeah, it sits at about 202Mb for me with latest ubuntu
1305 2011-02-17 10:50:14 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: 1 instance per all gpus.
1306 2011-02-17 10:50:27 <KBme> though i wouldn't be surprised if ubuntu's java was broken
1307 2011-02-17 10:50:29 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, can you make it use 2 separate X screens?
1308 2011-02-17 10:50:59 <UukGoblin> (uses 368M on another exactly the same ubuntu with 3x 5970)
1309 2011-02-17 10:51:01 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: obviously not, fglrx doesnt work that way.
1310 2011-02-17 10:51:11 <Diablo-D3> also, I wonder if ubuntu is broken
1311 2011-02-17 10:51:16 <Diablo-D3> KBme: thats sun jdk, thats a binary
1312 2011-02-17 10:51:19 <UukGoblin> (and an older version of the miner uses 271M with 4x 5770)
1313 2011-02-17 10:51:31 <sipa> UukGoblin: but is that memory usage a problem?
1314 2011-02-17 10:51:39 <KBme> Diablo-D3: ubuntu packages it
1315 2011-02-17 10:51:46 <Diablo-D3> KBme: but they cant break it in that way
1316 2011-02-17 10:51:47 * midnightmagic_ wonders if Diablo's miner kung-fu is da best..
1317 2011-02-17 10:51:50 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, I've heard it's not possible to run one X server with more than 8 ATI chips on board
1318 2011-02-17 10:51:53 <Diablo-D3> also, its currently using 121 here.
1319 2011-02-17 10:51:54 <KBme> they don't need to compile it to mess it up
1320 2011-02-17 10:51:58 <UukGoblin> sipa, it might be soon ;-]
1321 2011-02-17 10:52:01 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: its not. but who the fuck can manage that?
1322 2011-02-17 10:52:49 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, well I want to try it.
1323 2011-02-17 10:53:07 <UukGoblin> that's what I said, with 3x 5970 it's fine, but with 5x 5970 it might become a problem
1324 2011-02-17 10:53:33 <UukGoblin> currently I have issues connecting 4x 5970, but I'm hoping I'll fix it
1325 2011-02-17 10:54:13 <midnightmagic_> doesn't 5970 chew 75W from PCIe? how are you gonna have MB supply 600W via PCIe bus?
1326 2011-02-17 10:54:19 <midnightmagic_> i'd love to hear about it, regardless!!
1327 2011-02-17 10:54:32 <KBme> Diablo-D3: you counting VSZ or RSS?
1328 2011-02-17 10:54:39 <Diablo-D3> rss
1329 2011-02-17 10:54:42 <UukGoblin> midnightmagic_, that's what I heard. Effectively more like 50W, but that sort of amount, yes
1330 2011-02-17 10:54:46 <Diablo-D3> vsz is usless
1331 2011-02-17 10:54:55 <KBme> virtual is ~202
1332 2011-02-17 10:55:00 <sipa> UukGoblin: i wonder how you put 5 5970's on one motherboard...
1333 2011-02-17 10:55:04 <UukGoblin> midnightmagic_, the idea is to modify the PCI-e raisers to supply power straight from the PSU, not mobo
1334 2011-02-17 10:55:10 <KBme> rss is 147
1335 2011-02-17 10:55:11 <Diablo-D3> vsz is how much has been mapped, not how much its actually using
1336 2011-02-17 10:55:20 <Diablo-D3> apps that have memory pools always map huge areas
1337 2011-02-17 10:55:33 <Diablo-D3> they never intend on using it, and the OS never actually gives it to them
1338 2011-02-17 10:55:57 <UukGoblin> yeah sadly VSZ is the only thing you can ulimit on linux :-(
1339 2011-02-17 10:56:05 <ntosme2> wow...are the hash/sec stats correct? I'm seeing somewhat crazy things
1340 2011-02-17 10:56:29 <ntosme2> 240Mhash on a 5770?
1341 2011-02-17 10:56:34 <KBme> i was lucky today, i found 2 blocks ;)
1342 2011-02-17 10:56:50 <KBme> sounds a bit slow
1343 2011-02-17 10:56:56 <KBme> rather, not
1344 2011-02-17 10:57:13 <KBme> i have 320Khash/s on a 5870
1345 2011-02-17 10:57:13 <Diablo-D3> ntosme2: whos miner?
1346 2011-02-17 10:57:18 <UukGoblin> ntosme2, should be around 155Mhash
1347 2011-02-17 10:57:20 <ntosme2> yours
1348 2011-02-17 10:57:28 <Diablo-D3> ntosme2: use the second number.
1349 2011-02-17 10:58:02 <ntosme2> ah, that was not clear
1350 2011-02-17 10:58:11 <ntosme2> I assumed card1/card2
1351 2011-02-17 10:58:16 <KBme> that's the average
1352 2011-02-17 10:58:27 <UukGoblin> yeah I'd make it 'cur: 15000 tot: 13000'
1353 2011-02-17 10:58:32 <UukGoblin> the / is a bit confusing
1354 2011-02-17 10:58:45 <KBme> s,tot,avg,
1355 2011-02-17 10:58:51 <Diablo-D3> its 15sec avg/forever avg
1356 2011-02-17 10:58:56 <ntosme2> well then I'm only getting 120M per card
1357 2011-02-17 10:58:57 <UukGoblin> yup
1358 2011-02-17 10:59:04 <UukGoblin> much more like it ;-]
1359 2011-02-17 10:59:07 <ntosme2> might need some tweaking
1360 2011-02-17 10:59:09 <KBme> ntosme2: k?
1361 2011-02-17 10:59:27 <KBme> 120k?
1362 2011-02-17 10:59:33 <ntosme2> no
1363 2011-02-17 10:59:34 <KBme> mega sounds nice
1364 2011-02-17 10:59:40 <KBme> oh, yes
1365 2011-02-17 10:59:41 <ntosme2> 120000k
1366 2011-02-17 10:59:41 <KBme> sorry
1367 2011-02-17 10:59:52 <KBme> pft yes..early morning..
1368 2011-02-17 11:00:06 <ntosme2> I guess I can live with that for now
1369 2011-02-17 11:00:45 <ntosme2> now to deal with the crazy fan noise so I can sleep
1370 2011-02-17 11:01:30 <KBme> how does the 54xx series perform?
1371 2011-02-17 11:01:59 <Diablo-D3> ntosme2: -f 1 if you are seriously benchmarking
1372 2011-02-17 11:02:04 <Diablo-D3> ntosme2: and you want -w 64
1373 2011-02-17 11:02:33 <KBme> Diablo-D3: for 5870 what options would you recommend?
1374 2011-02-17 11:02:46 <Diablo-D3> -w 64.
1375 2011-02-17 11:02:57 <KBme> ok, i'll try that
1376 2011-02-17 11:03:08 <KBme> by default it uses 256 0_o
1377 2011-02-17 11:03:15 <Diablo-D3> by default it uses the default.
1378 2011-02-17 11:03:30 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.8) (6b18-1.8-0ubuntu1) <- uses 339M shortly after start
1379 2011-02-17 11:03:32 <Diablo-D3> its whatever the driver sets it to
1380 2011-02-17 11:03:36 <UukGoblin> and 1451m VIRT
1381 2011-02-17 11:03:40 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: ... wtf driver and sdk?
1382 2011-02-17 11:03:53 <bossweld> anyone here had any experience building berkeley db static library on windows?
1383 2011-02-17 11:03:58 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, 10.10 driver sdk 2.1
1384 2011-02-17 11:04:17 <bossweld> seems to be VC2005 and earlier only
1385 2011-02-17 11:04:24 <bossweld> you can no longer download vc2005 from microsoft
1386 2011-02-17 11:04:51 <UukGoblin> it's quite interesting that bitcoind only uses 40M... even thought the blocks database is 77MB
1387 2011-02-17 11:05:04 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: wait, which 10,10?
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1389 2011-02-17 11:05:09 <Diablo-D3> ubuntu's broken 10.10?
1390 2011-02-17 11:05:21 <bossweld> berkeley db 4.7 that is, which is what the bitcoin client links against
1391 2011-02-17 11:05:32 <Diablo-D3> bossweld: why not just use someone else's build?
1392 2011-02-17 11:05:49 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, no, one installed using the ATI's installer
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1394 2011-02-17 11:06:44 <bossweld> diablo-d3: believe me, I've searched. Bitcoin specifically uses the static library libdb47s.lib
1395 2011-02-17 11:06:50 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: ... you know how much I hate when people do that.
1396 2011-02-17 11:06:59 <Diablo-D3> bossweld: yeah, but doesnt mean you have to build it that way.
1397 2011-02-17 11:07:03 <bossweld> a google search reveals very little online that I can see
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1399 2011-02-17 11:07:25 <bossweld> diablo-d3: true, but I'd rather have it as close to the official build as possible.
1400 2011-02-17 11:07:49 <bossweld> of course, if it's not possible, I'll just have to live with it.
1401 2011-02-17 11:08:02 <bossweld> but maybe someone here has had the same problem...
1402 2011-02-17 11:08:13 <Diablo-D3> I wasnt aware bitcoin event built on msvc
1403 2011-02-17 11:08:18 <Diablo-D3> *even built
1404 2011-02-17 11:08:33 <bossweld> yup, the latest official build of the client was built with vc10
1405 2011-02-17 11:08:47 <bossweld> *windows client
1406 2011-02-17 11:08:51 <Diablo-D3> I need to yell at satoshi then
1407 2011-02-17 11:10:14 <KBme> not much difference with -w256 and -w64
1408 2011-02-17 11:11:31 <KBme> though X server load seems to have gone down
1409 2011-02-17 11:11:59 <bossweld> I'll see if i can link against the dynamic version for now, and quiz the lead developer(s) about it later
1410 2011-02-17 11:15:21 <ntosme2> ahhh peace and quiet now, noise is behind a wall of boxes, a rack of clothes and a door
1411 2011-02-17 11:15:36 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, I know, I know.
1412 2011-02-17 11:16:01 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: Im just going to assume ubuntu is retarded
1413 2011-02-17 11:16:08 <Diablo-D3> Ive seen no one else withy our bug
1414 2011-02-17 11:16:15 <ntosme2> KBme: 256 is a tad faster here
1415 2011-02-17 11:16:33 <bossweld> Another possibility is to build with cygwin, though I was trying to avoid installing a whole other set of build tools and environment.
1416 2011-02-17 11:16:41 <Diablo-D3> you mean mingw
1417 2011-02-17 11:16:43 <KBme> not here
1418 2011-02-17 11:16:45 <Diablo-D3> avoid cygwin like the plague
1419 2011-02-17 11:16:58 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, are there any java switches I could play with? :-S
1420 2011-02-17 11:17:20 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: probably
1421 2011-02-17 11:17:28 <Diablo-D3> but I doubt they'll do what you want
1422 2011-02-17 11:17:29 <bossweld> well, maybe. DB build instructions have no mention of mingw, though I might google to see if anyone else has done so. They do give explicit instructions for using cygwin however.
1423 2011-02-17 11:17:30 <UukGoblin> something like... --gc-fast=135 --vm-heap-size=3456 --vm-slice-period=69212?
1424 2011-02-17 11:17:50 <UukGoblin> (yes I made them up off my arse)
1425 2011-02-17 11:17:53 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: man java
1426 2011-02-17 11:21:13 <bossweld> the last option is to use berkeley db 5.1, but I have no idea how compatible that is with 4.7... probably not at all as it's a major version change.
1427 2011-02-17 11:21:47 <UukGoblin> yeah -Xms20M and -Xmx100M == no effect :-[
1428 2011-02-17 11:21:57 <RBecker> lowercase M
1429 2011-02-17 11:22:11 <UukGoblin> RBecker, man page says you can use any
1430 2011-02-17 11:22:16 <RBecker> hm
1431 2011-02-17 11:22:24 <RBecker> lowercase M has always worked for me
1432 2011-02-17 11:22:52 <UukGoblin> it's probably memory allocated by the CL library so java has no command over it
1433 2011-02-17 11:23:13 <UukGoblin> I don't like lowercase m as it means milli ;-P
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1435 2011-02-17 11:29:01 <ntosme2> anyone else getting these? "Can not allocate deferred message entry!"
1436 2011-02-17 11:32:01 <ntosme2> all I get on google is a pastebin full of them
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1438 2011-02-17 11:35:09 <UukGoblin> heh who's 83.109.77.192?
1439 2011-02-17 11:35:17 * UukGoblin is getting a few of these in logs:
1440 2011-02-17 11:35:17 <UukGoblin> kernel: TCP: Treason uncloaked! Peer 83.109.77.192:539
1441 2011-02-17 11:35:18 <UukGoblin> 09/8333 shrinks window 3411557729:3411560633. Repaired.
1442 2011-02-17 11:36:34 <RBecker> UukGoblin, Norway
1443 2011-02-17 11:37:44 <UukGoblin> mhm, /16 assigned to Telenor DSL
1444 2011-02-17 11:37:56 <RBecker> I could never figure out CIDR
1445 2011-02-17 11:38:15 <UukGoblin> have we got anyone from Norway in the #? :-]
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1447 2011-02-17 11:41:20 <devout> hey
1448 2011-02-17 11:42:00 <devout> how can i find out my theoretical generation rate given aribitrary diff and hashrate ?
1449 2011-02-17 11:42:16 devout is now known as davout
1450 2011-02-17 11:42:17 <tcatm> ,,bc,calcd
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1453 2011-02-17 11:42:24 <gribble> (bc,calcd <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The average time to generate a block at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [time elapsed [math calc 1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256)]]".
1454 2011-02-17 11:42:48 <davout> ,,bc,calcd 1,1
1455 2011-02-17 11:42:51 <gribble> (bc,calcd <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The average time to generate a block at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [time elapsed [math calc 1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256)]]".
1456 2011-02-17 11:43:03 <davout> ,,bc,calcd 1 1
1457 2011-02-17 11:43:05 <gribble> (bc,calcd <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The average time to generate a block at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [time elapsed [math calc 1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256)]]".
1458 2011-02-17 11:43:10 <tcatm> ;;bc,calcd 1 1
1459 2011-02-17 11:43:13 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 7 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 2 minutes, and 47 seconds
1460 2011-02-17 11:43:21 <davout> oh i see
1461 2011-02-17 11:43:26 <davout> thank you
1462 2011-02-17 11:43:45 <davout> ;;bc,calcd 600000000,1
1463 2011-02-17 11:43:46 <gribble> (bc,calcd <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The average time to generate a block at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [time elapsed [math calc 1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256)]]".
1464 2011-02-17 11:43:48 <davout> ;;bc,calcd 600000000 1
1465 2011-02-17 11:43:50 <gribble> Error: '0.00715827882667' is not a valid integer.
1466 2011-02-17 11:44:01 <davout> :/
1467 2011-02-17 11:44:15 <davout> trying to check my miners generation rate against testnet
1468 2011-02-17 11:44:20 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,calcd 5;cat /etc/passwd
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1470 2011-02-17 11:44:23 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
1471 2011-02-17 11:44:35 <davout> UukGoblin: derp
1472 2011-02-17 11:44:41 <tcatm> ;;bc,calcd 600000 1
1473 2011-02-17 11:44:45 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 600000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 7 seconds
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1475 2011-02-17 11:47:37 <davout> ;;bc,calcd 620000 1.192
1476 2011-02-17 11:47:37 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 620000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1.192, is 8 seconds
1477 2011-02-17 11:47:54 <davout> ;;bc,calcd 550000 1.192
1478 2011-02-17 11:47:54 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 550000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1.192, is 9 seconds
1479 2011-02-17 11:47:59 <davout> ;;bc,calcd 300000 1.192
1480 2011-02-17 11:47:59 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 300000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1.192, is 17 seconds
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1482 2011-02-17 11:49:28 <davout> am i more likely to get a higher percentage of "invalid or stale" blocks when pointing my 5970 at testnets ~1 diff ?
1483 2011-02-17 11:49:49 <tcatm> depending on which miner you use, yes
1484 2011-02-17 11:50:13 <davout> mom's
1485 2011-02-17 11:50:16 Ja has joined
1486 2011-02-17 11:50:17 <davout> :D
1487 2011-02-17 11:50:22 <tcatm> very likely
1488 2011-02-17 11:50:39 <davout> i'm getting lower generation rates than expected :/
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1490 2011-02-17 11:51:01 <tcatm> yep. expected average time is not much longer than getwork interval
1491 2011-02-17 11:51:01 <davout> guess i should test each gpu individually
1492 2011-02-17 11:51:14 <davout> hmm
1493 2011-02-17 11:51:28 <davout> does it get new work if a block is mined ?
1494 2011-02-17 11:51:36 <davout> i guess it should han
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1496 2011-02-17 11:51:47 <tcatm> yes but not on multiple GPUs
1497 2011-02-17 11:52:09 <davout> so, i should get more accurate results with each gpu tested separately ?
1498 2011-02-17 11:52:24 <sipa> what is testnet's difficulty now?
1499 2011-02-17 11:52:30 <davout> ~1 or 2
1500 2011-02-17 11:52:41 <tcatm> better test with higher difficulty or use my oclminer (which calculates hashrate from diff=1 results)
1501 2011-02-17 11:52:55 <sipa> according to bbe it's 186...
1502 2011-02-17 11:53:08 <davout> bbe hasn't been updated to latest client version then
1503 2011-02-17 11:53:14 <sipa> ah right
1504 2011-02-17 11:53:19 <sipa> and neither have i :)
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1510 2011-02-17 12:15:56 <genjix> does windows auto delete files between reboots?
1511 2011-02-17 12:16:32 <bk128> so who's running http://www.compute4cash.com/ ?
1512 2011-02-17 12:16:54 <lfm> sometimes, like if you have stuff in a recycle bin on a thumb drive
1513 2011-02-17 12:18:35 <genjix> i mean in the tempdir
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1515 2011-02-17 12:19:39 <sipa> think so
1516 2011-02-17 12:20:16 <lfm> dunno about tmpdir
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1519 2011-02-17 12:24:48 <renovatio> hi i'm an error on j'ai une grosse erreur on http://mining.bitcoin.cz:8332/:id": "14d8d294-3a8f-11e0-bb2e-fefd6d4ac335", "result": {"hash1": "00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000008000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000010000", "data": "000000016f00c3568543656f4476387cd2c511e4dadd3ff6b95534e60 000bbd7000000006fc180f320c58c38663b7b12d698979bec4d... Can someone help me?
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1522 2011-02-17 12:26:09 <lfm> did it just happen once or does it heppen every try?
1523 2011-02-17 12:27:45 <renovatio> it happen every try
1524 2011-02-17 12:28:26 <lfm> was it working before or is this your first install?
1525 2011-02-17 12:30:00 <renovatio> it's my first istall
1526 2011-02-17 12:31:01 <sipa> when/how/where do you get tgar error?
1527 2011-02-17 12:31:01 <renovatio> it's like this since yesterday
1528 2011-02-17 12:31:53 <renovatio> when I log on firefox
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1530 2011-02-17 12:32:55 <sipa> you shouldn't go ti http://mining.bitcoin.cz:8332 with a browser
1531 2011-02-17 12:33:00 <sipa> it's the url your miner connects to
1532 2011-02-17 12:33:17 <sipa> just use http://mining.bitcoin.cz
1533 2011-02-17 12:33:47 <renovatio> haa ok
1534 2011-02-17 12:35:17 <renovatio> how I use this address?
1535 2011-02-17 12:36:18 <genjix> can anyone link me to that backup solution thread on the bitcoin forums?
1536 2011-02-17 12:36:35 <genjix> im having trouble find it... i think grondilu made it.
1537 2011-02-17 12:36:40 <sipa> renovatio: what adres, where?
1538 2011-02-17 12:36:59 <renovatio> http://mining.bitcoin.cz:8332
1539 2011-02-17 12:37:07 <sipa> which miner are you using?
1540 2011-02-17 12:37:49 <afed> ;;bc,stats
1541 2011-02-17 12:37:50 <renovatio> rpc miner
1542 2011-02-17 12:37:52 <gribble> Current Blocks: 108710 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 153 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 17 hours, 5 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36107.08589395
1543 2011-02-17 12:37:55 <renovatio> on windows 7
1544 2011-02-17 12:37:58 <renovatio> 64bit
1545 2011-02-17 12:38:04 <sipa> well, read the documentation of the miner you're using :)
1546 2011-02-17 12:38:19 <renovatio> ok thank
1547 2011-02-17 12:41:55 <renovatio> how an NVIDIA GeForce 240M GT can generate Khash / s?
1548 2011-02-17 12:42:56 <lfm> get cuda miner
1549 2011-02-17 12:43:34 <renovatio> I will test but I'm not home
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1554 2011-02-17 13:20:38 <bk128> ;;bc,gen 318000
1555 2011-02-17 13:20:40 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 318000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 12.3030580147 BTC per day and 0.51262741728 BTC per hour.
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1566 2011-02-17 14:00:58 <davex__> ;;bc,estimate
1567 2011-02-17 14:00:59 <gribble> 36160.89448691
1568 2011-02-17 14:01:03 <davex__> ;;bc,stats
1569 2011-02-17 14:01:05 <gribble> Current Blocks: 108724 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 139 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 15 hours, 28 minutes, and 59 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36160.89448691
1570 2011-02-17 14:01:19 <genjix> https://github.com/genjix/sekureco
1571 2011-02-17 14:01:25 <genjix> bitcoin wallet backup tool
1572 2011-02-17 14:01:39 <genjix> (makes encrypted copies for you to upload)
1573 2011-02-17 14:06:04 <KBme> ok, so it seems my first block has been confirmed
1574 2011-02-17 14:06:10 <KBme> getinfo displays the correct balance
1575 2011-02-17 14:06:16 <KBme> but i can't find which account the 50 is on
1576 2011-02-17 14:06:23 <KBme> getbalance and listreceivedbyaddress 0 true doesn't display it
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1578 2011-02-17 14:07:46 <genjix> KBme: listtransactions
1579 2011-02-17 14:09:23 <KBme> genjix: with which account
1580 2011-02-17 14:09:24 dwdollar has left ()
1581 2011-02-17 14:09:33 <KBme> because none of the displayed accounts have the 50 balance
1582 2011-02-17 14:11:26 <genjix> idk then
1583 2011-02-17 14:11:40 <genjix> try listtransactions 1000
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1585 2011-02-17 14:12:02 <KBme> no
1586 2011-02-17 14:12:13 <KBme> genjix: for listtransactions you need an account number
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1591 2011-02-17 14:26:03 <afed> ;;bc,stats
1592 2011-02-17 14:26:05 <gribble> Current Blocks: 108728 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 135 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 15 hours, 4 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36162.72131754
1593 2011-02-17 14:27:36 <KBme> hay guise i want to find my dough
1594 2011-02-17 14:28:49 <bk128> are rpc passwords sent in plaintext?
1595 2011-02-17 14:29:38 <davex__> KBme, you using version .19
1596 2011-02-17 14:31:50 <KBme> version: 31900
1597 2011-02-17 14:31:51 <UukGoblin> hmm so if I'm gonna rip up the pci-e raiser... I'm gonna redirect +12Vs and GNDs before the mechanical key to the power supply
1598 2011-02-17 14:31:56 <KBme> davex__: ^
1599 2011-02-17 14:32:02 <UukGoblin> I wonder if I should touch the "Power Good" pin at all too
1600 2011-02-17 14:33:54 <KBme> what the hell are you doing?
1601 2011-02-17 14:34:53 <UukGoblin> KBme, connect 4 or 5x 5970 to one mobo
1602 2011-02-17 14:35:43 <KBme> ah, you have to customise your mobo?
1603 2011-02-17 14:35:50 <KBme> sounds dangerous
1604 2011-02-17 14:35:57 <UukGoblin> just the pci-e raiser
1605 2011-02-17 14:37:09 <bk128> UukGoblin: why do you have to mess with the pci-e power lines?
1606 2011-02-17 14:37:27 <genjix> KBme: just send it to another account
1607 2011-02-17 14:37:28 <molecular> ;;seen dirtyfilthy
1608 2011-02-17 14:37:28 <gribble> dirtyfilthy was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 13 hours, 40 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <dirtyfilthy> old school is good school
1609 2011-02-17 14:37:32 <UukGoblin> bk128, because the mobo doesn't give enough
1610 2011-02-17 14:37:33 <bk128> so the 12v isn't going through the motherboard?
1611 2011-02-17 14:37:40 <UukGoblin> it won't after I mod it
1612 2011-02-17 14:37:49 <davex__> KBme, apparently listtransactions for all accounts wasn't implemented yet in that version
1613 2011-02-17 14:37:59 <KBme> gah
1614 2011-02-17 14:38:05 <KBme> so how do i figure this out?
1615 2011-02-17 14:38:11 <bk128> UukGoblin: do high-end cards even draw power from there? I thought they'd get enough from the dual 6 pin connectors
1616 2011-02-17 14:38:35 <davex__> KBme, i haven't built the svn head yet, but supposedly should be there. I'm running bitcoin -server for now
1617 2011-02-17 14:39:02 <UukGoblin> bk128, just talked with people there, apparently they draw as much as 75W from the mobo each
1618 2011-02-17 14:39:04 <KBme> me too
1619 2011-02-17 14:39:16 <UukGoblin> someone measured it and saw about 45W
1620 2011-02-17 14:39:21 <KBme> davex__: me too, and there seems to not be one command to find where my money is
1621 2011-02-17 14:39:32 <UukGoblin> I don't exactly have the tools to confirm that but it does seem like I'm having power problems here
1622 2011-02-17 14:39:46 <KBme> UukGoblin: u maybe need a bigger psu?
1623 2011-02-17 14:39:52 <KBme> how many W psu u have?
1624 2011-02-17 14:39:52 <davex__> KBme, there's not, afaict. The account stuff was apparently not fully implemented yet either.
1625 2011-02-17 14:39:57 <bk128> do you have a multimeter?
1626 2011-02-17 14:40:01 <KBme> argh
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1628 2011-02-17 14:40:07 <KBme> that's ridiculous
1629 2011-02-17 14:40:18 <bk128> is it one of the riser cards with a ribbon cable?
1630 2011-02-17 14:40:32 <davex__> KBme, you can get the balance of confirmed transactions, though.
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1632 2011-02-17 14:40:56 <KBme> davex__: getinfo does show 50,05 but i can't figure out what account # the 50 is on
1633 2011-02-17 14:41:06 <TD> listtransactions was, afaik, shot down by satoshi
1634 2011-02-17 14:41:16 <UukGoblin> KBme, 2x corsair AX850
1635 2011-02-17 14:41:27 slush has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1636 2011-02-17 14:41:33 <KBme> oh you have 2 PSUs in one machine?
1637 2011-02-17 14:41:34 <KBme> 0o
1638 2011-02-17 14:41:43 <KBme> well anyways, that should be fine
1639 2011-02-17 14:41:52 <bk128> sounds like what art does. but he uses 2x 1000w psu's
1640 2011-02-17 14:42:58 <davex__> KBme, so if you generated a block, after 120 blocks confirm it then the 50 coins will show up in getbalance
1641 2011-02-17 14:43:29 <KBme> it doesn't
1642 2011-02-17 14:43:34 <KBme> it shows up in getinfo
1643 2011-02-17 14:43:37 <KBme> not in getbalance
1644 2011-02-17 14:43:47 <KBme> oh now it does
1645 2011-02-17 14:43:48 <KBme> ok
1646 2011-02-17 14:44:28 <KBme> but bitcoind listreceivedbyaddress 0 true doesn't show any account with 50
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1648 2011-02-17 14:45:58 <cosurgi> ;;bc,stats
1649 2011-02-17 14:46:00 <gribble> Current Blocks: 108734 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 129 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 14 hours, 17 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36218.22303177
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1651 2011-02-17 14:48:35 <EvanR> difficulty is increase by more than 10k?
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1654 2011-02-17 14:50:52 <TD> yup
1655 2011-02-17 14:50:53 <TD> welcome to the future
1656 2011-02-17 14:51:13 <TD> slushs pool has increased from 40G to 60G in only a few days
1657 2011-02-17 14:54:27 Kiba has joined
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1659 2011-02-17 14:56:45 <EvanR> Y2K!
1660 2011-02-17 14:57:00 <EvanR> robots everywhere...
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1664 2011-02-17 15:17:55 <necrodearia> Does anyone have any rubbing alcohol? I'd like to pour some over wound at witcoin.com before the site becomes infected and possibly contagious therefore infecting others that visit the site. I don't have any.
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1666 2011-02-17 15:26:04 <cdecker> UukGoblin: I'd be interested in your modding, I'm running out of Motherboard space fast, would love to be able to use 4 PCI-E x16, but then there's no space for coolers anymore...
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1668 2011-02-17 15:27:59 <UukGoblin> cdecker, we're doing a custom design for chassis to accomodate proper cooling
1669 2011-02-17 15:28:17 <cdecker> What are you mounting the cards on?
1670 2011-02-17 15:29:13 <KBme> necrodearia: sounds nasty
1671 2011-02-17 15:29:25 <cdecker> Just wondering, I saw this trick where you could actually use PCI-E x1 risers to connect PCI-E x16 cards
1672 2011-02-17 15:29:45 <cdecker> Had a few nasty things in there like shorting the autodetection pins, etc
1673 2011-02-17 15:30:10 <necrodearia> KBme, Well, it started as a minor injury and has evolved into something a bit worse. However, it isn't noticeable yet and still looks the same since it is covered.
1674 2011-02-17 15:30:42 <BlueMatt> is there a technical reason why btc doesnt support different ports and IPv6, or does it just need to be rewritten to support it?
1675 2011-02-17 15:30:58 <necrodearia> BlueMatt, I would imagine just needs to be added to code
1676 2011-02-17 15:31:28 <BlueMatt> well then I guess whoever gets around to writing in IPv6, I would kindly request that you add the ability to chose your port as well
1677 2011-02-17 15:31:45 <cdecker> The official client prefers port 8333 to anything else (yasdc: Yet another stupid design choice)
1678 2011-02-17 15:32:24 <cdecker> UukGoblin: do you have a picture of what you're doing? Sounds interesting :D
1679 2011-02-17 15:33:25 <UukGoblin> cdecker, nope, not yet, it's still design phase
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1681 2011-02-17 15:33:35 <UukGoblin> we're just doing tests to see how many cards we can fit on 1 mobo
1682 2011-02-17 15:33:54 <cdecker> Be sure to show it off on the forum, you'll have quite a few orders :D
1683 2011-02-17 15:34:13 <cdecker> And what's the maximum you managed to fit on until now?
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1689 2011-02-17 15:38:38 <UukGoblin> cdecker, 3, but Art fitted 4
1690 2011-02-17 15:38:42 <UukGoblin> 3x 5970
1691 2011-02-17 15:38:49 <cdecker> With what mobo?
1692 2011-02-17 15:38:50 <UukGoblin> I had 4x 5770 too but that's easy
1693 2011-02-17 15:38:55 <UukGoblin> 790fx-gd80
1694 2011-02-17 15:40:25 <cdecker> Cant find that one
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1696 2011-02-17 15:40:31 <cdecker> Do you mean the gd70?
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1698 2011-02-17 15:41:49 <cdecker> That one has 4 PCI-E x16 and one PCI-E x1
1699 2011-02-17 15:41:59 <UukGoblin> yeah gd70 I think
1700 2011-02-17 15:42:07 <UukGoblin> typo
1701 2011-02-17 15:42:36 <cdecker> If that rumor about being able to mount a x16 in an x1 is true that would allow 5 5970 on that board, wouldn't it?
1702 2011-02-17 15:42:59 <UukGoblin> it would indeed
1703 2011-02-17 15:43:18 <BlueMatt> you absolutely can, just a bit slow for graphics bc of the slow communication
1704 2011-02-17 15:43:30 <cdecker> Damn and I just bought a Formula IV with "only" 4 x16
1705 2011-02-17 15:43:52 <BlueMatt> you can mount a large pcie in a smaller one or a small on in a large one as long as you can get it to fit.
1706 2011-02-17 15:43:54 <cdecker> BlueMatt: but that's perfect for Bitcoin :D
1707 2011-02-17 15:44:05 <BlueMatt> cdecker: yea slow communication isnt a problem for btc
1708 2011-02-17 15:45:01 <BlueMatt> note that you would have to cut and modify the board to get it to fit, so be really careful (potentially heat a knife so it cuts easier and you dont have to use as much force)
1709 2011-02-17 15:46:47 <cdecker> I prefer using risers/extenders
1710 2011-02-17 15:46:56 <BlueMatt> but yea ive seen people tape the proper number of pins to force a card to a lower width to benchmark at a lower transfer rate
1711 2011-02-17 15:47:09 <cdecker> That way if I screw up I can throw away 10$ of hardware not 100$
1712 2011-02-17 15:47:13 <BlueMatt> cdecker: but that costs more and isnt as much fun
1713 2011-02-17 15:47:29 <BlueMatt> the risk is more fun :)
1714 2011-02-17 15:47:36 <cdecker> Well it's money well spent if you can add more space in between the cards
1715 2011-02-17 15:47:45 <BlueMatt> cdecker: fair enough
1716 2011-02-17 15:48:06 <UukGoblin> BlueMatt, need raisers anyway, I don't feel like soldering into the mobo
1717 2011-02-17 15:48:15 <UukGoblin> BlueMatt, need to redirect power lines straight to PSU
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1720 2011-02-17 15:48:55 <BlueMatt> oh ok, well in that case have fun with your fancy properly designed and manufactured parts
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1722 2011-02-17 15:49:19 <cdecker> Why would you directly feed it from the PSU?
1723 2011-02-17 15:49:19 <UukGoblin> well
1724 2011-02-17 15:49:25 <UukGoblin> for low values of 'properly' ;-]
1725 2011-02-17 15:49:39 <UukGoblin> cdecker, cause the mobo doesn't have enough juice
1726 2011-02-17 15:49:48 <BlueMatt> probably a good idea plus its cleaner power
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1728 2011-02-17 15:50:11 <cdecker> Clean as mother milk :D
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1730 2011-02-17 15:51:17 <cdecker> Well got to go :D
1731 2011-02-17 15:51:23 <cdecker> See you around ^^
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1733 2011-02-17 15:51:45 <BlueMatt> some quick checking and there does appear to be some support in some places for different ports in the client, maybe its just not in the gui???
1734 2011-02-17 15:54:34 <UukGoblin> BlueMatt, you want to change the port?
1735 2011-02-17 15:54:42 <UukGoblin> it's... complicated
1736 2011-02-17 15:54:46 <BlueMatt> UukGobline: I just thought it would be a good idea
1737 2011-02-17 15:54:59 <BlueMatt> I'm just looking into it, I'm not much of a C++ programmer
1738 2011-02-17 15:55:00 <UukGoblin> it's not as easy as it should be
1739 2011-02-17 15:55:22 <UukGoblin> look on the forum, there was plenty of talk about it, I'm not sure myself, never needed to change it
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1741 2011-02-17 15:55:50 <BlueMatt> well I'm also looking at the possibility of IPv6, and I though I might as well look at them at the same time
1742 2011-02-17 15:56:24 <bitcoiner> any way to verify that the hash are working ?
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1744 2011-02-17 15:56:49 <nanotube> bitcoiner: try testnet or pool and see if you produce any low-difficulty blocks
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1747 2011-02-17 15:57:17 <UukGoblin> bitcoiner, or run diablominer in debug mode
1748 2011-02-17 15:57:28 <bitcoiner> aight thanks
1749 2011-02-17 15:57:49 <bitcoiner> where the testnet at ?
1750 2011-02-17 15:58:09 <mmarker> I think you use the client to get onto the testnet
1751 2011-02-17 15:58:13 <BlueMatt> -testnet
1752 2011-02-17 15:58:18 <BlueMatt> at startup
1753 2011-02-17 15:58:26 <mmarker> ./bitcoin -testnet iirc
1754 2011-02-17 15:58:27 <bitcoiner> w -server ?
1755 2011-02-17 15:58:36 <nanotube> bitcoiner: what version of bitcoin are you at? .19?
1756 2011-02-17 15:58:38 <BlueMatt> or w/o doesnt matter
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1760 2011-02-17 15:58:48 <mmarker> Which reminds me...is the testnet a good place to muck with a new client
1761 2011-02-17 15:58:54 <bitcoiner> 0.3
1762 2011-02-17 15:58:56 <nanotube> mmarker: yes probably
1763 2011-02-17 15:58:58 <mmarker> To prevent breaking things?
1764 2011-02-17 15:59:07 <nanotube> bitcoiner: 0.3.0 ?
1765 2011-02-17 15:59:13 <bitcoiner> 19
1766 2011-02-17 15:59:25 <bitcoiner> I just replaced my crappy 4350 with 5770
1767 2011-02-17 15:59:28 <mmarker> Or should I fire up my own birch server and hack it that way?
1768 2011-02-17 15:59:29 <nanotube> ah
1769 2011-02-17 15:59:46 <nanotube> bitcoiner: well the .19 testnet is at 186 diff... ,,(bc,calcd 200000 186)
1770 2011-02-17 15:59:46 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 200000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 186, is 1 hour, 6 minutes, and 34 seconds
1771 2011-02-17 15:59:55 <nanotube> gotta wait like an hour for a block with the 5770
1772 2011-02-17 16:00:01 <nanotube> bitcoiner: so... best join the pool
1773 2011-02-17 16:00:12 <nanotube> that'll let you create some diff=1 shares so you can test quickly
1774 2011-02-17 16:00:33 <bitcoiner> it show info when it run ?
1775 2011-02-17 16:01:03 <nanotube> iirc all miners show output when you gen a block
1776 2011-02-17 16:01:13 <nanotube> so it should show you when you generate a pool share
1777 2011-02-17 16:01:21 <mmarker> Crap. That reminds me. Need to see if my kernel compile worked to yield some sha2 hardware potential love
1778 2011-02-17 16:01:38 <bitcoiner> my 4350 was doing 6,7m I overclocked and wen to 8,9 I wonder what its like with the 5770
1779 2011-02-17 16:02:31 <nanotube> ;;bc,wiki mining hardware
1780 2011-02-17 16:02:32 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison | Below are some statistics about the mining performance of various hardware used in a mining rig. The GPU lists were originally compiled by ArtForz. ...
1781 2011-02-17 16:02:34 <nanotube> bitcoiner: --^
1782 2011-02-17 16:03:05 <bitcoiner> with the 4way I was pulling 15m with cpu and 4350 lol
1783 2011-02-17 16:03:08 <mmarker> Heh. There's something odd about my nv460. Rate is ~2-4k faster in Linux...
1784 2011-02-17 16:04:18 <bitcoiner> when is the next increase of difficulty
1785 2011-02-17 16:04:31 <BlueMatt> ;;bc,stats
1786 2011-02-17 16:04:33 <gribble> Current Blocks: 108741 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 122 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 13 hours, 33 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36151.76310163
1787 2011-02-17 16:04:42 <bitcoiner> woah
1788 2011-02-17 16:04:56 <BlueMatt> ...yea goodbye bitcoin generation
1789 2011-02-17 16:05:42 <bitcoiner> wish I had found bitcoin ealier
1790 2011-02-17 16:05:55 <UukGoblin> wish I hadn't sold that many earlier ;-]
1791 2011-02-17 16:05:55 <BlueMatt> bitcoiner same, very much so
1792 2011-02-17 16:06:00 <nanotube> everyone does. or for those who did find it early, they wish they didn't sell. :)
1793 2011-02-17 16:06:06 <mmarker> Heh... same
1794 2011-02-17 16:06:07 <nanotube> heh right UukGoblin :)
1795 2011-02-17 16:06:17 <RichardG> nanotube: also i think why did theymos' node start downloading the block chain
1796 2011-02-17 16:06:21 <RichardG> i used -test, not -testnet
1797 2011-02-17 16:06:21 <mmarker> I accidentally lost my wallet. Only had 5 coins.
1798 2011-02-17 16:06:31 <nanotube> RichardG: ah
1799 2011-02-17 16:06:45 <nanotube> mmarker: yea let that be a lesson in backups to you. :)
1800 2011-02-17 16:06:51 <nanotube> a relatively cheap lesson. :)
1801 2011-02-17 16:06:55 <nanotube> enjoy it. :)
1802 2011-02-17 16:07:02 <bitcoiner> what happen if someone make a copy of ur walllet and use it while ur using it ?
1803 2011-02-17 16:07:22 <BlueMatt> bitcoiner: your coins get transfered and you lose them
1804 2011-02-17 16:07:26 <RichardG> I got a bit more than 1 coin, I think it was someone giving me congrats on making xelister shut up
1805 2011-02-17 16:07:27 <RichardG> ...not
1806 2011-02-17 16:07:51 <nanotube> heh
1807 2011-02-17 16:08:01 <BlueMatt> bitcoiner: the client should work properly no matter what happens when the client is off (or on)
1808 2011-02-17 16:08:24 <UukGoblin> there should be an index of reported losses of bitcoins ;-]
1809 2011-02-17 16:08:36 <BlueMatt> UukGoblin: go start it
1810 2011-02-17 16:08:39 <nanotube> UukGoblin: yea how do we avoid gaming.
1811 2011-02-17 16:08:48 <nanotube> UukGoblin: "zomg, i just lost a wallet with 500k coins!"
1812 2011-02-17 16:08:51 <UukGoblin> BlueMatt, I've got better things to do ;-]
1813 2011-02-17 16:08:53 <mmarker> Nanotube: heh. Well...at the time...my PhD thesis was backed up...which is worth a helluva lot more than 5BC :D
1814 2011-02-17 16:09:09 <nanotube> mmarker: haha nice. :) what's yoru thesis about
1815 2011-02-17 16:09:16 <BlueMatt> UukGobline: sorry I just assumed people have nothing better to do, considering they are hanging out on irc
1816 2011-02-17 16:09:30 * UukGoblin tries to work between the lines too
1817 2011-02-17 16:09:44 <RichardG> but connecting to theymos' node using -testnet results in 0 connections 0 blocks 0 transactions
1818 2011-02-17 16:09:46 <RichardG> and no connection
1819 2011-02-17 16:11:39 <mmarker> Heh. Oddly enough, nothing computer related. At all. :D I did get to play here WAY too often: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov and http://www.pns.anl.gov (has to be the worst hostname in the .gov domain)
1820 2011-02-17 16:11:55 <BlueMatt> ...so gavin wrote a change port diff and its not in the codebase... :(
1821 2011-02-17 16:12:13 <TD> the pool is >60 gigahashes/sec
1822 2011-02-17 16:12:20 <bitcoiner> slush ?
1823 2011-02-17 16:12:39 <BlueMatt> slush is not online
1824 2011-02-17 16:12:49 <RichardG> TD: it grows every day, expect that
1825 2011-02-17 16:12:51 <bitcoiner> i meant pool slush is 60g ?
1826 2011-02-17 16:12:59 <RichardG> also expect people whining that "pooled mining is now useless"
1827 2011-02-17 16:13:11 <RichardG> as slush said, it does generate blocks faster and give less coins per payout
1828 2011-02-17 16:13:12 <BlueMatt> oh yea thats what he meant, i saw >60g last night
1829 2011-02-17 16:13:17 <RichardG> but your daily pay is untouched
1830 2011-02-17 16:13:29 <UukGoblin> is there any reason for me to join the pool at all?
1831 2011-02-17 16:13:32 <BlueMatt> yea its just a bit more stable for output
1832 2011-02-17 16:14:11 <BlueMatt> its less luck more stable, if you want a small risk for a bit more payout, mine for yourself, though you can also get unlucky in the pool (just a bit less likely)
1833 2011-02-17 16:14:15 <mmarker> It's a time average, really. I want to do some math to test my hyphothesis
1834 2011-02-17 16:14:16 <bitcoiner> i just want 1 block
1835 2011-02-17 16:14:32 <mmarker> that there is some hash rate X where it's just not worth being in a pool at all
1836 2011-02-17 16:14:43 <mmarker> but I'd need a stdev on slush's pool...probably not public info
1837 2011-02-17 16:14:45 <UukGoblin> if I get like 2-3 blocks per day, on a scale of month I really don't care...
1838 2011-02-17 16:15:11 <BlueMatt> mmarker, i dont think so. it should be the same either way
1839 2011-02-17 16:16:10 <mmarker> Yea, that's my gut feel. But something is nagging me about the odds.
1840 2011-02-17 16:16:16 <mmarker> Dunno why though
1841 2011-02-17 16:16:26 <mmarker> Be an easy monte carlo type simulation
1842 2011-02-17 16:16:43 <BlueMatt> yea you could do the math, but I'd bet on it being the same
1843 2011-02-17 16:16:45 <lfm> BlueMatt: no reason really
1844 2011-02-17 16:17:21 <BlueMatt> though it would be cool to see whether its a bigger risk mining for yourself or for a pool (what is the 75% payout vs the 25% payout)
1845 2011-02-17 16:17:43 <BlueMatt> anyone see gavin recently?
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1852 2011-02-17 16:22:29 <UukGoblin> what happened to that paper saying that you can cheat on the pool by switching to own mining after 43%?
1853 2011-02-17 16:22:55 <nanotube> ;;seen gavinandresen
1854 2011-02-17 16:22:55 <gribble> gavinandresen was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 19 hours, 44 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <gavinandresen> gasteve: lfm means -datadir
1855 2011-02-17 16:23:01 <nanotube> BlueMatt: --^
1856 2011-02-17 16:23:08 <BlueMatt> dam
1857 2011-02-17 16:23:19 <nanotube> UukGoblin: 43% of what?
1858 2011-02-17 16:23:45 <BlueMatt> about 43% till the next block iirc (though I never really got how you do that, its too random)
1859 2011-02-17 16:23:50 <nanotube> UukGoblin: and yea, when you get 2-3 blocks/day, no sense in being in a pool.
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1861 2011-02-17 16:24:32 <BlueMatt> you still get the same payout, and I'd bet a bit more stable (law of large numbers) though I have no proof
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1863 2011-02-17 16:25:51 <nanotube> BlueMatt: well, slush does charge 2%
1864 2011-02-17 16:26:02 <nanotube> so even in the best case scenario, you get 2% less
1865 2011-02-17 16:26:25 <nanotube> then you add network latency for getworks... add people trying to game the pool by moving in/out...
1866 2011-02-17 16:26:35 <BlueMatt> ok, yea well when he stops when the volume dies down/better getwork proto, it would be the sameish
1867 2011-02-17 16:26:37 <nanotube> and you probably are at no greater than 95%
1868 2011-02-17 16:26:56 <lfm> naw, its random, in the best cases you get about 10000000$ better from the pool
1869 2011-02-17 16:27:02 <BlueMatt> hmmm...I'm not sure, I'd bet, ignoring the 2%, its around 100% payout
1870 2011-02-17 16:27:06 <nanotube> lfm: i mean, "on average" :P
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1874 2011-02-17 16:28:19 <lfm> should also factor in downtime of the pool server and its isp and so on
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1877 2011-02-17 16:29:23 <BlueMatt> ok yea w/ the downtime you may lose a bit, but I'd bet the reliability of the payouts would be better, and the % lost from latency, getworks etc would be well within the margin of error
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1880 2011-02-17 16:30:17 <lfm> um depends what you mean by reliability of the payouts?
1881 2011-02-17 16:30:42 <BlueMatt> the consistency that I'd bet you would get bc of the numbers in the pool (law of large numbers)
1882 2011-02-17 16:30:53 <BlueMatt> though I have no proof and am not a statistician
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1885 2011-02-17 16:32:18 <KBme> i think as long as you use the GPU miner on an >200Mhash/s GPU it's not worth it to participate in a pool
1886 2011-02-17 16:32:22 <lfm> you get paid more regularly if thats what you mean? it smooths out much of the randomness
1887 2011-02-17 16:32:38 <BlueMatt> lfm yea thats what i was refering to
1888 2011-02-17 16:32:46 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,calc 4356225
1889 2011-02-17 16:32:48 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 4356225 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 7 hours, 7 minutes, and 12 seconds
1890 2011-02-17 16:32:51 <RichardG> ;;bc,gen 200000
1891 2011-02-17 16:32:52 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 200000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 7.7377723363 BTC per day and 0.322407180679 BTC per hour.
1892 2011-02-17 16:32:55 <RichardG> ;;bc,calc 200000
1893 2011-02-17 16:32:56 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 200000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 6 days, 11 hours, 5 minutes, and 0 seconds
1894 2011-02-17 16:33:10 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,gen 4356225
1895 2011-02-17 16:33:11 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 4356225 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 168.537386478 BTC per day and 7.02239110327 BTC per hour.
1896 2011-02-17 16:34:32 <RichardG> ;;bc,calc 60000000
1897 2011-02-17 16:34:33 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 60000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 31 minutes and 1 second
1898 2011-02-17 16:34:43 <RichardG> ;;bc,gen 60000000
1899 2011-02-17 16:34:44 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 60000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 2321.33170089 BTC per day and 96.7221542037 BTC per hour.
1900 2011-02-17 16:34:54 <RichardG> ;;bc,calcd 600 1
1901 2011-02-17 16:34:54 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 600 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 1 hour, 59 minutes, and 18 seconds
1902 2011-02-17 16:35:12 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,estimate
1903 2011-02-17 16:35:13 <gribble> 36165.46190961
1904 2011-02-17 16:35:30 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,calcd 4356225 36165.46190961
1905 2011-02-17 16:35:30 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 4356225 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 36165.46190961, is 9 hours, 54 minutes, and 16 seconds
1906 2011-02-17 16:36:25 <lfm> KBme: so how did you come up with that 200mhash/s figure?
1907 2011-02-17 16:36:59 <KBme> :)
1908 2011-02-17 16:37:05 <KBme> cat /dev/urandom
1909 2011-02-17 16:37:33 <BlueMatt> KBme: nice
1910 2011-02-17 16:37:53 <KBme> 6 days is fine though
1911 2011-02-17 16:38:10 <grubles> so difficulty changed?
1912 2011-02-17 16:38:14 <BlueMatt> not yet
1913 2011-02-17 16:38:26 <grubles> ah ok
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1915 2011-02-17 16:38:31 <BlueMatt> ;;bc,stats
1916 2011-02-17 16:38:33 <gribble> Current Blocks: 108745 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 118 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 13 hours, 6 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36165.46190961
1917 2011-02-17 16:38:39 <KBme> it'll change in a few hoirs though
1918 2011-02-17 16:38:42 <BlueMatt> until it changes im on the pool, and thereafter I will have to be
1919 2011-02-17 16:38:48 <grubles> i see
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1925 2011-02-17 16:46:42 <da2ce7> ;;bc,help
1926 2011-02-17 16:46:42 <gribble> Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,gen, Alias bc,gend, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,labs, Alias bc,lbs, Alias bc,markets, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,poolstats, Alias bc,prob, Alias bc,stats, Alias bc,timetonext, Alias bc,totalbc, and Alias bc,wiki
1927 2011-02-17 16:47:06 <da2ce7> ;;bc,prob
1928 2011-02-17 16:47:06 <gribble> (bc,prob <an alias, at least 1 argument>) -- Alias for "math calc 1-exp(-$1*1000 * [seconds $*] / (2**32* [bc,diff]))".
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1930 2011-02-17 16:48:12 <da2ce7> ;;bc,prob 500000
1931 2011-02-17 16:48:13 <gribble> Error: There's really no reason why you should have underscores or brackets in your mathematical expression. Please remove them.
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1946 2011-02-17 17:18:20 <RichardG> ;;bc,calcd 600000 1
1947 2011-02-17 17:18:20 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 600000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 7 seconds
1948 2011-02-17 17:18:36 <RichardG> woah, 5970's sharefinding speed in the pool is massive
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1950 2011-02-17 17:19:22 <D> sToRt|oN!~PUSSY@66-190-240-195.dhcp.klfl.or.charter.com|yo whats this software do wile my CPU is @ 100% ?
1951 2011-02-17 17:20:13 <BlueMatt> Distortion, do you have generate bitcoins on?
1952 2011-02-17 17:20:23 <foucist> RichardG: how can you see how much of hte pool is 5970s?
1953 2011-02-17 17:20:59 <D> sToRt|oN!~PUSSY@66-190-240-195.dhcp.klfl.or.charter.com|yea
1954 2011-02-17 17:21:10 <foucist> D|sToRt|oN: dunno? it doesn't depend much on cpu anyways does it?
1955 2011-02-17 17:21:12 <BlueMatt> foucist: you cant
1956 2011-02-17 17:21:15 <luke-jr> D|sToRt|oN: bruteforcing puzzles
1957 2011-02-17 17:21:23 <luke-jr> D|sToRt|oN: it's a waste of power; turn it off
1958 2011-02-17 17:21:36 <BlueMatt> Distortion yea its bruteforcing some sha256 as a "proof of work" which could generate 50 btc if you make a block
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1962 2011-02-17 17:21:56 <foucist> so guys, what cards are you buying when you can't get 5970s ? are you buying 5870s or 6870s or what?
1963 2011-02-17 17:22:12 <citiz3n_zzZZZzZz> 5870s
1964 2011-02-17 17:22:16 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: CPUs can't generate a block for years
1965 2011-02-17 17:22:19 citiz3n_zzZZZzZz is now known as citiz3n
1966 2011-02-17 17:22:26 <luke-jr> foucist: I just have a 5850
1967 2011-02-17 17:22:27 <BlueMatt> luke-jr this is true
1968 2011-02-17 17:22:28 <foucist> citiz3n_zzZZZzZz: aren't 6870s better?
1969 2011-02-17 17:22:37 <foucist> er, i guess not
1970 2011-02-17 17:22:45 <citiz3n> nope, they aren't
1971 2011-02-17 17:23:00 <citiz3n> perhaps for other uses like gaming
1972 2011-02-17 17:23:03 <citiz3n> but not for bitcoins :)
1973 2011-02-17 17:23:12 <foucist> so 5870s are about $230 ?
1974 2011-02-17 17:23:17 <luke-jr> foucist: 6870s are better for 3D maybe
1975 2011-02-17 17:23:21 <citiz3n> yeah around there
1976 2011-02-17 17:23:25 <RichardG> <foucist> RichardG: how can you see how much of hte pool is 5970s?
1977 2011-02-17 17:23:28 <luke-jr> foucist: I got my 5850 for $162 :P
1978 2011-02-17 17:23:30 <citiz3n> ;;bc,mtgox
1979 2011-02-17 17:23:31 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.0502,"low":1.02,"vol":4647,"buy":1.0405,"sell":1.05,"last":1.0502}}
1980 2011-02-17 17:23:35 <RichardG> that's horsepower from a single 5970
1981 2011-02-17 17:23:50 <bitanarchy> ;;bc
1982 2011-02-17 17:23:51 <gribble> Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
1983 2011-02-17 17:23:54 <RichardG> you can calculate how much time it will take for you to generate a share in the pool
1984 2011-02-17 17:23:59 <bitanarchy> ;;bc,difficulty
1985 2011-02-17 17:24:00 <gribble> Error: "bc,difficulty" is not a valid command.
1986 2011-02-17 17:24:05 <RichardG> by using ;;bc,calcd (khashes) 1
1987 2011-02-17 17:24:08 <citiz3n> ;;bc,stats
1988 2011-02-17 17:24:09 <gribble> Current Blocks: 108747 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 116 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 12 hours, 55 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36133.81815734
1989 2011-02-17 17:24:16 <citiz3n> ;;bc,calc 3042000
1990 2011-02-17 17:24:17 <luke-jr> RichardG: the pool uses diff 1?
1991 2011-02-17 17:24:17 <RichardG> ,,bc,stats
1992 2011-02-17 17:24:17 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 3042000 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 10 hours, 11 minutes, and 46 seconds
1993 2011-02-17 17:24:19 <gribble> Current Blocks: 108747 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 116 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 12 hours, 55 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36133.81815734
1994 2011-02-17 17:24:24 <BlueMatt> luke-jr yes
1995 2011-02-17 17:24:29 <RichardG> luke-jr: yes pool uses diff 1 for computing shares
1996 2011-02-17 17:24:33 <luke-jr> cute
1997 2011-02-17 17:24:37 <genjix> luke-jr: we have wallet backups now :) https://github.com/genjix/sekureco/blob/master/sekureco
1998 2011-02-17 17:24:43 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 4500
1999 2011-02-17 17:24:44 <gribble> (bc,calcd <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The average time to generate a block at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [time elapsed [math calc 1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256)]]".
2000 2011-02-17 17:24:45 <lfm> ;;bc,diff
2001 2011-02-17 17:24:46 <gribble> 25997.87992881
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2003 2011-02-17 17:24:53 <genjix> actually only ~30% there
2004 2011-02-17 17:24:54 <luke-jr> genjix: I'll have to merge it. I'm half done writing Tonal support :D
2005 2011-02-17 17:25:09 <genjix> i lied a little :p
2006 2011-02-17 17:25:10 <RichardG> oh wait, forgot a thing
2007 2011-02-17 17:25:12 <luke-jr> genjix: wait, how does that work when we don't even have our own wallet? O.o
2008 2011-02-17 17:25:13 <RichardG> what would be a tonal bitcoin
2009 2011-02-17 17:25:14 <bitanarchy> Is there a difficulty and hashrate historic chart somewhere?
2010 2011-02-17 17:25:15 cdecker_ is now known as cdecker
2011 2011-02-17 17:25:38 <luke-jr> RichardG: Tonal is an alternative number system, competing against Decimal
2012 2011-02-17 17:25:42 <genjix> luke-jr: backs up wallet to a tempfile, encrypts it and auto-uploads to a server that MTux has provided
2013 2011-02-17 17:25:58 <luke-jr> genjix: how does it know where to find wallet?
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2015 2011-02-17 17:26:07 <genjix> bitcoin does it
2016 2011-02-17 17:26:08 <lfm> bitanarchy: http://www3.telus.net/millerlf/hashes.png
2017 2011-02-17 17:26:15 <genjix> bitcoind backupwallet
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2019 2011-02-17 17:26:26 <bitanarchy> lfm: thx
2020 2011-02-17 17:26:45 <luke-jr> RichardG: see https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Units https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Tonal_BitCoin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonal_System http://www.lulu.com/product/file-download/tonal-system/10991091
2021 2011-02-17 17:26:45 <genjix> mkstmpfile() # or whatever it's called
2022 2011-02-17 17:27:08 <luke-jr> genjix: I see. and if my bitcoind is on a different PC?
2023 2011-02-17 17:27:12 <phantomcircuit> it's pretty amusing to see some of the places people are runnng bitcoin
2024 2011-02-17 17:27:21 <genjix> ohh
2025 2011-02-17 17:27:27 <phantomcircuit> at least one of the nodes appears to be a hacked government webserver
2026 2011-02-17 17:27:39 <luke-jr> LOL
2027 2011-02-17 17:28:08 <genjix> im sure if you said hexademical instead of tonal
2028 2011-02-17 17:28:11 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit not just a govt employee runing a btc client behind a webserver fw
2029 2011-02-17 17:28:15 <genjix> people would be like yeah! that's cool
2030 2011-02-17 17:28:21 <luke-jr> genjix: but hexadecimal isn't tonal.
2031 2011-02-17 17:28:31 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, that's also possible
2032 2011-02-17 17:28:42 <luke-jr> hexadecimal is a newer and less complete
2033 2011-02-17 17:28:58 <RichardG> <phantomcircuit> at least one of the nodes appears to be a hacked government webserver
2034 2011-02-17 17:28:59 <RichardG> dns
2035 2011-02-17 17:29:05 <lfm> genjix: hex is a notation, tonal is a religion
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2037 2011-02-17 17:29:17 <luke-jr> hexadecimal is merely a base 16 notation
2038 2011-02-17 17:29:21 <luke-jr> tonal is a complete number system
2039 2011-02-17 17:29:34 <phantomcircuit> RichardG, i dont think so
2040 2011-02-17 17:30:28 <RichardG> phantomcircuit: did you get the dns for the node
2041 2011-02-17 17:30:45 <RichardG> I know some .govs as free domain services
2042 2011-02-17 17:30:56 <RichardG> like eastridgetn.gov as freedns
2043 2011-02-17 17:31:54 <lfm> and it might be some gov legitimatly monitoring bitcoin
2044 2011-02-17 17:32:28 <nanotube> bitanarchy: ,,(whatis #bitcoin-otc netgraphs)
2045 2011-02-17 17:32:29 <gribble> I do not know about 'netgraphs', but I do know about these similar topics: 'netgraph'
2046 2011-02-17 17:32:32 <nanotube> bitanarchy: ,,(whatis #bitcoin-otc netgraph)
2047 2011-02-17 17:32:32 <gribble> Graphs of historical network power: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin.png (linear), http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed.png (log)
2048 2011-02-17 17:32:38 <phantomcircuit> RichardG, no and it has since disappeared
2049 2011-02-17 17:35:15 <bitanarchy> nanotube: do you call gibble with ;;bc or with whatis?
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2051 2011-02-17 17:36:06 <overflow> hello I use rpc miner-cuda but when I run it displays 1CUDA GPU device found, Setting cuda to first device found, Loading module bitcoinminercuda_11.cubin, CUDA Unable to load module and program stop
2052 2011-02-17 17:37:00 <nanotube> bitanarchy: i call gribble with any valid command. :)
2053 2011-02-17 17:37:00 <nanotube> bitanarchy: there ane many. see ,,(bc,wiki gribble)
2054 2011-02-17 17:37:00 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Gribble | Feb 11, 2011 ... gribble is a modified Supybot IRC bot, carrying some useful bitcoin-related commands and factoids. The bot's command sequence is ';;' ...
2055 2011-02-17 17:37:01 <nanotube> the whatis is for calling a factoid
2056 2011-02-17 17:38:53 <phantomcircuit> there are 668 connectible nodes
2057 2011-02-17 17:38:55 <phantomcircuit> neat
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2059 2011-02-17 17:42:53 <edcba_> did you connect to them all ?'
2060 2011-02-17 17:43:08 <foucist> in terms of brands for the cards.. would you say its diamond > xfx > sapphire in order of best to worst ?
2061 2011-02-17 17:44:34 <bitanarchy> I suspect the logarithmic hash rate chart is going to make a jump like in july
2062 2011-02-17 17:45:32 ArtForzZz is now known as ArtForz
2063 2011-02-17 17:46:27 <ArtForz> I doubt that
2064 2011-02-17 17:47:20 <sipa> me too
2065 2011-02-17 17:47:29 <bitanarchy> ArtForz: are you selling ming contracts jet?
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2067 2011-02-17 17:47:32 <sipa> there may be small jumps
2068 2011-02-17 17:47:33 <ArtForz> nope
2069 2011-02-17 17:47:49 <sipa> but no *10 on 3 days
2070 2011-02-17 17:48:03 <ArtForz> looks more like we're back to nov growth rate
2071 2011-02-17 17:48:25 <ArtForz> intuitively makes sense, as mtgox price/difficulty is at about the same level
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2073 2011-02-17 17:49:57 <bitanarchy> Is there a price difficulty chart?
2074 2011-02-17 17:50:29 <ArtForz> http://i56.tinypic.com/14ln2c5.png
2075 2011-02-17 17:50:41 <nanotube> bitanarchy: there's a price chart... and there's a difficulty chart... you can put them together. :)
2076 2011-02-17 17:50:52 <ArtForz> don't remember who made that one
2077 2011-02-17 17:51:04 <nanotube> ArtForz: is that price/diff?
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2079 2011-02-17 17:51:23 <nanotube> and what units...
2080 2011-02-17 17:51:23 <ArtForz> I think price / diff-equivalent-mhash
2081 2011-02-17 17:51:38 <nanotube> mmm
2082 2011-02-17 17:51:45 <ArtForz> avg daily mtgox price, so probably mtgoxusd
2083 2011-02-17 17:52:14 <ArtForz> note its Y is logarithmic
2084 2011-02-17 17:53:01 <lfm> too bad it doesnt show last july /. effect
2085 2011-02-17 17:53:26 <mmarker> Ohhh. More pretty graphs?
2086 2011-02-17 17:53:41 <ArtForz> how would that work?
2087 2011-02-17 17:54:13 <sipa> hmm i guess i'll change my graphs to use some javascript lib instead of images
2088 2011-02-17 17:54:16 <lfm> i guess mtgox wasnt up yet
2089 2011-02-17 17:54:37 <sipa> and add some things like mtgox price
2090 2011-02-17 17:54:41 <mmarker> Hmm. Is there a raw source of price and difficulty data?
2091 2011-02-17 17:54:47 <ArtForz> yes
2092 2011-02-17 17:54:59 <overflow> hi i use rpc miner-cuda but when I run it displays 1CUDA GPU device found, Setting cuda to first device found, Loading module bitcoinminercuda_11.cubin, CUDA Unable to load module and program stop
2093 2011-02-17 17:55:00 <lfm> mmarker: difficulties are in the block chain
2094 2011-02-17 17:55:07 <mmarker> sips: I'd be lazy and use Google's graph API
2095 2011-02-17 17:55:30 <UukGoblin> hrm where's diablo when you need him
2096 2011-02-17 17:55:34 <UukGoblin> I ran his miner with -d
2097 2011-02-17 17:55:40 <UukGoblin> and I'm getting sort of that: http://leviathan.uukgoblin.net/goblin/diablo-log.txt
2098 2011-02-17 17:56:05 <UukGoblin> up to about 4 getwork updates per second due to nonce saturation...
2099 2011-02-17 17:56:05 <sipa> i've used flot before, just been to lazy to convert data to that format
2100 2011-02-17 17:56:12 <UukGoblin> I'm worried it's a bit... much...
2101 2011-02-17 17:58:24 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, where did you find the specs for the 5870, all i can find are the useless marketing materials
2102 2011-02-17 17:59:06 <lfm> phantomcircuit: wiki
2103 2011-02-17 17:59:08 <ArtForz> ?
2104 2011-02-17 17:59:11 <ArtForz> what specs?
2105 2011-02-17 17:59:35 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, like how many integer ops/cycle
2106 2011-02-17 18:00:04 <ArtForz> AMD dev docs + some benchmarking + common sense
2107 2011-02-17 18:00:40 <lfm> and a whole buncha wild ass guesses?
2108 2011-02-17 18:00:42 <phantomcircuit> http://developer.amd.com/zones/OpenCLZone/universities/Pages/default.aspx?cmpid=DevBanner_UnivKit
2109 2011-02-17 18:00:43 <phantomcircuit> neat
2110 2011-02-17 18:00:45 <ArtForz> nope
2111 2011-02-17 18:00:58 <ArtForz> 5xxx arch is pretty simple once you get the hang of it
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2113 2011-02-17 18:01:18 <echelon> btcsportsbet.com is down?
2114 2011-02-17 18:02:09 <ArtForz> each CU is a 16-wide SIMD of 4 vector + 1 trans unit
2115 2011-02-17 18:02:16 <ArtForz> 5870 has 20 CUs
2116 2011-02-17 18:02:19 <jgarzik> ;;bc,nextdiff
2117 2011-02-17 18:02:20 <gribble> Error: "bc,nextdiff" is not a valid command.
2118 2011-02-17 18:02:28 <jgarzik> ;;bc,stats
2119 2011-02-17 18:02:32 <gribble> Current Blocks: 108757 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 106 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 11 hours, 46 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36146.89491491
2120 2011-02-17 18:02:33 <lfm> ;;bc,estimate
2121 2011-02-17 18:02:34 <gribble> 36146.89491491
2122 2011-02-17 18:02:52 <ArtForz> so we have 20*16*4 = 1280 V and 20*16 = 320 T units
2123 2011-02-17 18:03:09 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,calcd 1600000 1
2124 2011-02-17 18:03:10 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1600000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 2 seconds
2125 2011-02-17 18:03:12 <ArtForz> AMD docs say pretty damn clearly that most integer stuff has 1 cycle throughput
2126 2011-02-17 18:03:17 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,gen 1600000 1
2127 2011-02-17 18:03:18 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
2128 2011-02-17 18:03:20 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,gend 1600000 1
2129 2011-02-17 18:03:20 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1600000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 1609325.40894 BTC per day and 67055.2253723 BTC per hour.
2130 2011-02-17 18:03:30 <ArtForz> except for a bunch of opcodes we aren't even using
2131 2011-02-17 18:03:39 <jgarzik> Average blocks per hour: 10
2132 2011-02-17 18:03:45 <jgarzik> No wonder the diff is going up so much :)
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2134 2011-02-17 18:04:39 <ArtForz> T can do simple bit arithmetic too, so if we can utilize all units we do #units * clock ops/second
2135 2011-02-17 18:04:49 <mmarker> Wowzers
2136 2011-02-17 18:05:23 <UukGoblin> the 'attempts' on diablo's debug output are effectively blocks calculated at difficulty 1, right?
2137 2011-02-17 18:05:25 <ArtForz> 5870 is 850 Mhz, so 1.36 T intop/s
2138 2011-02-17 18:06:54 <ArtForz> as we dont really use anything except the ALUs, mem BW and other stuff doesnt matter
2139 2011-02-17 18:07:21 <ArtForz> so within a family shit scales pretty damn close to 100% with #units * clock
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2150 2011-02-17 18:20:33 <bitanarchy> ArtForz: So in 3 months the hashrate will be 1 Ehps
2151 2011-02-17 18:21:47 <lfm> bitanarchy: assuming this goes on
2152 2011-02-17 18:21:50 <BlueMatt> for those who are not in #bitcoin-otc...there is a popular online pool called compute4cash which does not advertise as bitcoin and is taking ~50%. We are working on posting updates to sites which feature it in an attempt to get the word out
2153 2011-02-17 18:23:11 <citiz3n> what do you mean get the word out
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2156 2011-02-17 18:23:57 <nanotube> citiz3n: the word that it is actually bitcoin. :)
2157 2011-02-17 18:24:46 <nanotube> and that people are getting taken for a 50% rake
2158 2011-02-17 18:24:58 <citiz3n> ahh
2159 2011-02-17 18:25:49 <mmarker> Sneaky
2160 2011-02-17 18:26:09 <mmarker> So, where is this c4c getting advertised?
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2163 2011-02-17 18:26:54 <BlueMatt> google ads is getting some but a google search returns alot of posts and blogs (most of them in spanish)
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2166 2011-02-17 18:28:03 <mmarker> http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?s=f899421008faa1b587ffaff6ecfe8612&t=140579&page=2
2167 2011-02-17 18:28:16 <mmarker> God, I love the internet.
2168 2011-02-17 18:31:19 <mmarker> Oh, and BM posted.
2169 2011-02-17 18:32:06 <ArtForz> löl
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2171 2011-02-17 18:32:39 <phantomcircuit> mmarker, people are generally speaking stupid
2172 2011-02-17 18:32:42 <phantomcircuit> mmarker, as a rule
2173 2011-02-17 18:32:49 <mmarker> and that's a horrible abbreviation
2174 2011-02-17 18:33:05 <mmarker> phantom: I'm old and jaded. So I know most people are dumb.
2175 2011-02-17 18:34:45 <mmarker> God, I love looking at history..waiting for my daemon to pull in all the blocks...the difficulty is at 25. Life must have been nice then
2176 2011-02-17 18:35:30 <validus> history is waiting on a 9600 baud bbs for 15+ minutes for a a pic
2177 2011-02-17 18:36:12 <mmarker> 9600?
2178 2011-02-17 18:36:24 <mmarker> Try 2400, Apple 2. Where GIF compression took minutes
2179 2011-02-17 18:36:33 * mmarker beats people back with his walker
2180 2011-02-17 18:36:44 <validus> i was just quoting stuff from the past. not going all the way back :P
2181 2011-02-17 18:37:12 <mmarker> Granted, I did use a VAX as recently as 2004. Which is scary.
2182 2011-02-17 18:37:17 <validus> but oh did i love that bbs. hooked ever since
2183 2011-02-17 18:37:37 <validus> my youth pastor gave me my copy of doom copied onto floppies lol
2184 2011-02-17 18:37:46 <validus> so im old but not that old :P
2185 2011-02-17 18:38:05 <mmarker> Heh. I remeber when someone at my undergrad got a copy of Doom2 before release in the great leak
2186 2011-02-17 18:38:36 <validus> the walker comment. i told an old guy once i was gonan replace his tennis balls with suction cups and see how fast he moves then, he thought it was the funniest thing he ever heard
2187 2011-02-17 18:38:54 <validus> gonan = gonna*
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2192 2011-02-17 18:45:54 <cdecker> *woot* finally got munin to monitor the temperature for all my cards :D
2193 2011-02-17 18:47:03 <cdecker> We definitely need some nice monitoring integration for those clusters ^^
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2196 2011-02-17 18:54:52 <bk128> cdecker: does it automatically adjust the clock speed?
2197 2011-02-17 18:55:06 <bk128> to avoid overheating
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2199 2011-02-17 18:56:10 <cdecker> Not yet
2200 2011-02-17 18:56:14 <bk128> phantomcircuit: thanks for that university kit link. didnt see that before
2201 2011-02-17 18:56:15 <cdecker> But might be a nice idea
2202 2011-02-17 18:56:25 <validus> university kit?
2203 2011-02-17 18:56:29 <bk128> http://developer.amd.com/zones/OpenCLZone/universities/Pages/default.aspx?cmpid=DevBanner_UnivKit
2204 2011-02-17 18:56:34 <phantomcircuit> bk128, it's just power point slides, interesting none the less
2205 2011-02-17 18:56:35 <cdecker> Munin makes graphs that can be viewed in a sort of dashboard
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2207 2011-02-17 18:56:45 <phantomcircuit> (however screwed up they are in open office :/)
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2210 2011-02-17 18:57:28 <bk128> need me to make pdf's for you?
2211 2011-02-17 18:57:41 <phantomcircuit> would you? id appreciate that xD
2212 2011-02-17 18:57:44 <bk128> is it just 13 files?
2213 2011-02-17 18:57:49 <phantomcircuit> yeah
2214 2011-02-17 18:58:11 <bk128> I'm in class now but can do it tonight. remind me if I don't get them back to you in 5 hours or so
2215 2011-02-17 18:58:27 <phantomcircuit> k
2216 2011-02-17 18:58:55 <octarine> has anyone compiled bitcoin on openindiana/solaris x86?
2217 2011-02-17 18:59:16 <slush> ;;bc,poolstats
2218 2011-02-17 18:59:17 <gribble> {"ghashes_ps": "64.425", "shares": 6673, "active_workers": 862, "round_duration": "0:07:43", "score": "16187.3196", "round_started": "2011-02-17 18:44:29", "shares_cdf": "22.64", "getwork_ps": 356}
2219 2011-02-17 18:59:25 <slush> stats are back!
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2221 2011-02-17 19:00:24 <BlueMatt> slush woooo
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2223 2011-02-17 19:00:40 <bk128> nice
2224 2011-02-17 19:00:53 <cdecker> This is great slush
2225 2011-02-17 19:01:00 <cdecker> Thanks alot
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2228 2011-02-17 19:03:39 <phantomcircuit> octarine, good luck
2229 2011-02-17 19:04:04 <octarine> phantomcircuit: think anyone would want a binary if i get it working?
2230 2011-02-17 19:04:39 <phantomcircuit> VMware Workstation must be set-UID root, "/usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware-vmx" is not.
2231 2011-02-17 19:04:40 <phantomcircuit> -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 9813392 Feb 17 10:36 /usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware-vmx
2232 2011-02-17 19:04:41 <phantomcircuit> wat
2233 2011-02-17 19:04:56 <phantomcircuit> octarine, i kind of doubt it but why not try?
2234 2011-02-17 19:05:03 <phantomcircuit> also wrong channel
2235 2011-02-17 19:05:04 <BlueMatt> chmod +s /usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware-vmx
2236 2011-02-17 19:05:14 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, it's already set-UID
2237 2011-02-17 19:05:19 <BlueMatt> no idea then
2238 2011-02-17 19:05:28 <phantomcircuit> -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 9813392 Feb 17 10:36 /usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware-vmx
2239 2011-02-17 19:05:46 <BlueMatt> its only setuid if you call it from root, not if its called by others (which it wants to be)
2240 2011-02-17 19:06:53 <BlueMatt> that reminds me I had asked earlier about bitcoin's port. As it turns out vmware-server (yes I'm still using server, its...complicated) also defaults to port 8333 to listen for commands
2241 2011-02-17 19:08:55 <soultcer> ;facts
2242 2011-02-17 19:09:14 <bk128> ;;facts
2243 2011-02-17 19:09:15 <gribble> To see a nice sortable web view of all factoids, click here: http://gribble.dreamhosters.com/viewfactoids.php?db=%23bitcoin-dev || To see a list of the most popular factoids, run !rank || To search factoids, run !factoids search <yoursearchterm>
2244 2011-02-17 19:09:59 <soultcer> Ah, thx
2245 2011-02-17 19:11:13 <soultcer> bc,diff
2246 2011-02-17 19:11:18 <soultcer> ;;bc,diff
2247 2011-02-17 19:11:19 <gribble> 25997.87992881
2248 2011-02-17 19:11:48 <soultcer> ;;bc,calc 9762
2249 2011-02-17 19:11:49 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 9762 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 18 weeks, 6 days, 9 hours, 17 minutes, and 14 seconds
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2252 2011-02-17 19:13:47 <bk128> ArtForz: do you think you'll be able to "overclock" your ASICs?
2253 2011-02-17 19:14:39 <ArtForz> no
2254 2011-02-17 19:15:04 <ArtForz> they're running way too hot for my liking already
2255 2011-02-17 19:15:27 <bk128> can you watercool them with cheap blocks?
2256 2011-02-17 19:15:29 <phantomcircuit> oh you actually have them?
2257 2011-02-17 19:15:36 <phantomcircuit> how fast are they
2258 2011-02-17 19:15:43 <ArtForz> 200Mh/s/chip
2259 2011-02-17 19:15:56 <phantomcircuit> how much did they cost?
2260 2011-02-17 19:15:57 <bk128> running 1v?
2261 2011-02-17 19:15:59 <mmarker> Damn. Homegrown silicon?
2262 2011-02-17 19:16:04 <ArtForz> yea, 1v
2263 2011-02-17 19:16:21 <ArtForz> nah
2264 2011-02-17 19:16:32 <bk128> mmarker: structured asic. just the metal layers on top are custom. like a fpga without the mux's
2265 2011-02-17 19:16:33 <phantomcircuit> today is not a good day to be a mailman
2266 2011-02-17 19:16:40 <ArtForz> yep
2267 2011-02-17 19:16:51 <ArtForz> saves quite a bit of space and power compared to FPGA
2268 2011-02-17 19:17:02 <bk128> do you get a lot more cells?
2269 2011-02-17 19:17:16 <ArtForz> yeah
2270 2011-02-17 19:17:27 <mmarker> Bk128: but not an off the shelf design is what im probing
2271 2011-02-17 19:17:33 <ArtForz> about twice of what a FPGA with similar die size has
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2273 2011-02-17 19:18:07 <ArtForz> routing matrix takes up like 2/3 of FPGA silicon area on modern FPGAs
2274 2011-02-17 19:18:18 <ArtForz> more like 3/4 on older 4-lut stuff
2275 2011-02-17 19:18:39 <nathan7> ArtForz: How, where, what?
2276 2011-02-17 19:18:41 <foucist> ArtForz: so can these replace 5970s ?
2277 2011-02-17 19:18:50 <bk128> wow. then how much improvement could there be implementing a true asic vs structured?
2278 2011-02-17 19:19:03 <bk128> * orders of magnitude?
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2280 2011-02-17 19:19:05 <nathan7> because post-production metal-mask configured semi-ASICs are totally awesome
2281 2011-02-17 19:19:13 <ArtForz> yeah
2282 2011-02-17 19:19:21 <ArtForz> order of magnitude speedwise, probably a bit less for power
2283 2011-02-17 19:19:44 <ArtForz> another factor 4 or so, dpeends a lot on process and speed/cost tradeoff
2284 2011-02-17 19:19:54 <bk128> so you already have some hashing?
2285 2011-02-17 19:20:00 <ArtForz> yeah
2286 2011-02-17 19:20:06 <foucist> how much are structured asics? or fpgas?
2287 2011-02-17 19:20:17 <ArtForz> first 16 chips are working
2288 2011-02-17 19:20:42 <bk128> what's the hardest part of assembly? bga reflow?
2289 2011-02-17 19:20:51 <bk128> have any pics?
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2291 2011-02-17 19:21:33 <ArtForz> foucist: cheapest I could get with FPGA is about $3.5k/Gh
2292 2011-02-17 19:21:34 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, ps that's not how setuid works
2293 2011-02-17 19:22:09 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: my bad, hadn't looked close enough
2294 2011-02-17 19:22:14 <ArtForz> thats for a Spartan6 LX150-3, about 70Mh/s per chip
2295 2011-02-17 19:22:15 <foucist> ArtForz: 5970 being about $1k/Gh ?
2296 2011-02-17 19:22:27 <ArtForz> more like $1.5k
2297 2011-02-17 19:22:46 <ArtForz> don't forget mobo, psu, case, ...
2298 2011-02-17 19:23:38 <bk128> so now you're getting like $40-60k/(100*.2)Gh
2299 2011-02-17 19:23:41 <jgarzik> I guess the mating of chip and PCB is all automated these days, no soldering or other manual labor?
2300 2011-02-17 19:23:45 <foucist> ok a google of "cheap structured asics" shows about $50 or so ?
2301 2011-02-17 19:23:52 <bk128> jgarzik: he's doing assembly himself
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2303 2011-02-17 19:23:53 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit by that I mean I hadn't looked up setuid on /bin/ping on my system to see exactly what it should look like (never spent any real time with the bit, if your program needs it, well it shouldnt)
2304 2011-02-17 19:24:00 <ArtForz> jgarzik: I wish
2305 2011-02-17 19:24:14 <bk128> ArtForz: you can't afford a pick and place? :p
2306 2011-02-17 19:24:19 <ArtForz> nope
2307 2011-02-17 19:24:44 <ArtForz> get a few quotes from board assy houses for a small run, then ask again
2308 2011-02-17 19:24:44 <foucist> what? $40k setup for the structured asics?
2309 2011-02-17 19:24:50 <ArtForz> $30k setup
2310 2011-02-17 19:24:58 <nathan7> WHOA
2311 2011-02-17 19:25:01 <bk128> ah okay.
2312 2011-02-17 19:25:04 <ArtForz> about $200/chip @ 100
2313 2011-02-17 19:25:04 <nathan7> ArtForz: You paid $30k for those?
2314 2011-02-17 19:25:08 <ArtForz> 50k
2315 2011-02-17 19:25:11 <nathan7> o.O
2316 2011-02-17 19:25:20 <foucist> ArtForz: how many chips?
2317 2011-02-17 19:25:21 <nathan7> ArtForz: You're insane
2318 2011-02-17 19:25:23 <nathan7> also awesome
2319 2011-02-17 19:25:31 <ArtForz> 100 chips
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2321 2011-02-17 19:25:34 <bk128> foucist: ArtForz: about $200/chip @ 100
2322 2011-02-17 19:25:43 <foucist> oh, 30k setup + $20k for the actual chips?
2323 2011-02-17 19:25:45 <nathan7> I wish I was older
2324 2011-02-17 19:25:46 <ArtForz> yep
2325 2011-02-17 19:25:52 <foucist> wow
2326 2011-02-17 19:26:09 <bk128> do you need to pay the full setup if you order more?
2327 2011-02-17 19:26:12 <ArtForz> nope
2328 2011-02-17 19:26:16 <bk128> do you keep the masks?
2329 2011-02-17 19:26:40 <bk128> or probably not.
2330 2011-02-17 19:26:43 <ArtForz> nope
2331 2011-02-17 19:26:57 <prax> wtf type of mining power is that then
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2333 2011-02-17 19:26:59 <foucist> ArtForz: so i guess it'll start paying off when you order the next batches
2334 2011-02-17 19:27:04 <ArtForz> yea
2335 2011-02-17 19:27:11 <bk128> prax: .2ghash/sec * 100
2336 2011-02-17 19:27:15 <ArtForz> PCB, support components, controller fpga, VRM, ... add another 5k per 100 chips or so
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2339 2011-02-17 19:27:52 <bk128> going to order another batch soon?
2340 2011-02-17 19:27:53 <nathan7> ..damn
2341 2011-02-17 19:28:03 <nathan7> I wish I was older so I could afford this kind of shit
2342 2011-02-17 19:28:19 <foucist> nathan7: it's not about oldness :P
2343 2011-02-17 19:28:23 <prax> I'm "older" and can't afford that type of shit
2344 2011-02-17 19:28:26 <foucist> i'm old & broke ;)
2345 2011-02-17 19:28:30 <ArtForz> I still dont like how hot they're running
2346 2011-02-17 19:28:37 <bk128> nathan7: me too. but even if I could afford it now i'd have no idea how to do it
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2348 2011-02-17 19:29:07 <bk128> ArtForz: no thermometers lying around?
2349 2011-02-17 19:29:17 <nathan7> foucist: Well, as a 15 year old kid you surely won't have $50k.
2350 2011-02-17 19:29:17 <bk128> does water boil on the heatsinks? :)
2351 2011-02-17 19:29:25 <ArtForz> err. no.
2352 2011-02-17 19:29:27 <nathan7> Hmm, could you make eggs?
2353 2011-02-17 19:29:34 <ArtForz> heatsinks are at ~33°C
2354 2011-02-17 19:29:52 <ArtForz> case is at ~38
2355 2011-02-17 19:29:59 <phantomcircuit> get accepted to OSU EE, use facilities practically for free, produce mondo fast mining ASIC, PROFIT! http://eecs.oregonstate.edu/matdev/facilities.html
2356 2011-02-17 19:30:01 <ArtForz> junction is at 75
2357 2011-02-17 19:30:05 <nathan7> That's fine, and waay too low for eggs.
2358 2011-02-17 19:30:11 <nathan7> oh, 75 junction is a bit high
2359 2011-02-17 19:30:19 <ArtForz> crappy Tjc
2360 2011-02-17 19:30:42 <ArtForz> these cases are designed for < 5W or so with active cooling
2361 2011-02-17 19:30:51 <foucist> nathan7: are you a coder? do some $75/hr freelancing for 6 months .. still pretty time consuming though i guess :P
2362 2011-02-17 19:31:14 <nathan7> foucist: I don't have time, I have school
2363 2011-02-17 19:31:16 <ArtForz> simple overmolded plastic BGA
2364 2011-02-17 19:31:25 <bk128> ArtForz: thought about peltiers?
2365 2011-02-17 19:31:26 <nathan7> augh, BGA
2366 2011-02-17 19:31:53 <nathan7> Why is everything fun in BGA these days?
2367 2011-02-17 19:31:58 <foucist> nathan7: tell that to the guy that started quizlet.com at 16, or the guy that started programmermeetdesigner.com at the same age :P
2368 2011-02-17 19:32:03 <ArtForz> whats so bad about BGA?
2369 2011-02-17 19:32:12 <ArtForz> plain ole 1.27mm grid BGA isnt really hard to work with
2370 2011-02-17 19:32:17 <nathan7> ArtForz: ..I can't do BGA with my shitty etching setup?
2371 2011-02-17 19:32:27 <ArtForz> now 0.8mm uBGA or the new 0.5mm crap, THATS a pain
2372 2011-02-17 19:32:35 <nathan7> I actually have uBGA chips
2373 2011-02-17 19:32:42 <nathan7> samples though
2374 2011-02-17 19:32:56 <foucist> ArtForz: do you have a business plan regarding the asics and all? i assume the $50k etc is an investment ? :P
2375 2011-02-17 19:32:59 <bk128> ArtForz: how many of the bga pins are actually connected?
2376 2011-02-17 19:33:00 <ArtForz> you pretty much can't do < 1mm pitch BGA with 6 mil track/gap
2377 2011-02-17 19:33:20 <ArtForz> bk128: about 80/440
2378 2011-02-17 19:33:27 <foucist> ArtForz: do you think you'd start selling chips or build gpu farms and rent out the cycles?
2379 2011-02-17 19:33:33 <ArtForz> most of em are power/ground
2380 2011-02-17 19:33:38 <nathan7> :o
2381 2011-02-17 19:33:53 <ArtForz> the actual interface is only 8 pins
2382 2011-02-17 19:33:54 <nathan7> 80 pins, why not TQFP?
2383 2011-02-17 19:33:59 <ArtForz> chip size
2384 2011-02-17 19:34:02 <nathan7> TQFP exposed pad would do great
2385 2011-02-17 19:34:04 <bk128> more silicon
2386 2011-02-17 19:34:06 <ArtForz> and I fucking hate QFPs
2387 2011-02-17 19:34:10 <nathan7> Why?
2388 2011-02-17 19:34:20 <nathan7> They're easy to solder, cheap, are thermally okay
2389 2011-02-17 19:34:22 <ArtForz> TQFP would be too small, and PQFP has WAY too flimsy legs for my taste
2390 2011-02-17 19:34:25 <nathan7> or, erm
2391 2011-02-17 19:34:40 <nathan7> What do they call the fancy leadless ones these days?
2392 2011-02-17 19:34:44 <ArtForz> and PQFP has even crappier Tjc
2393 2011-02-17 19:34:45 <nathan7> DFN ors omething
2394 2011-02-17 19:34:48 <nathan7> *or something
2395 2011-02-17 19:34:55 <ArtForz> yeah
2396 2011-02-17 19:34:57 <nathan7> DFN with exposed pad would be nicey
2397 2011-02-17 19:35:00 <ArtForz> LQFPs
2398 2011-02-17 19:35:10 <bk128> what's the Tjc on gpu's/cpu's made of?
2399 2011-02-17 19:35:12 <ArtForz> Leadless Quad Flat Pack
2400 2011-02-17 19:35:32 <ArtForz> on CPU/GPU you usually have flip-chip with a metal IHS glued to the die backside
2401 2011-02-17 19:35:52 <ArtForz> or just a flip chip with the die backside exposed
2402 2011-02-17 19:36:00 <nathan7> Yeah, QFN
2403 2011-02-17 19:36:04 <ArtForz> way too much $ for setup and packaging
2404 2011-02-17 19:36:33 <ArtForz> QFNs are nice for mobile stuff (high shock loads)
2405 2011-02-17 19:36:34 <x6763_> what's the maximum transaction size? is there any explicit limit on the number of inputs/outputs?
2406 2011-02-17 19:36:50 <nathan7> hrm
2407 2011-02-17 19:36:52 <ArtForz> the kinda suck for fixed stuff for reliability though
2408 2011-02-17 19:36:59 <bitanarchy> If I assume that in 3 months (13140 blocks) the hash rate is 1Thps (which is way too low) then mining yield is your current average yield per block times http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=sum&a=*C.sum-_*Calculator.dflt-&f2=%28260*10**-3%29**%28i%2F13140%29&f=Sum.sumfunction_%28260*10**-3%29**%28i%2F13140%29&f3=i&f=Sum.sumvariable_i&f4=0&f=Sum.sumlowerlimit_0&f5=13140-1&x=10&y=13&f=Sum.sumupperl
2409 2011-02-17 19:37:00 <bitanarchy> imit_13140-1
2410 2011-02-17 19:37:05 <ArtForz> thanks to the low standoff height they REALLY don't like PCB flex
2411 2011-02-17 19:37:26 <bk128> ArtForz: please take some pics if you can
2412 2011-02-17 19:37:28 <ArtForz> btw, fuck RoHS
2413 2011-02-17 19:37:36 <nathan7> Yeah.
2414 2011-02-17 19:37:40 * bk128 hates leadfree solder
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2416 2011-02-17 19:37:48 <lfm> x6763if the sum of the outstanding txn goes over 50k bytes you have to start supplying txfees to get into the current block
2417 2011-02-17 19:37:54 <ArtForz> Sn60Pb38 ftw
2418 2011-02-17 19:38:11 <nathan7> ..what's the rest?
2419 2011-02-17 19:38:17 <nathan7> 60+38 is 98 in my book
2420 2011-02-17 19:38:25 <bk128> silver?
2421 2011-02-17 19:38:27 <ArtForz> usually Cu
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2423 2011-02-17 19:38:35 <nathan7> mhm
2424 2011-02-17 19:38:36 <bk128> ah
2425 2011-02-17 19:38:37 <cdecker> It's always nice listening to ArtForz discussing his ASICs, it's just too far out of my leaque, but interesting ^^
2426 2011-02-17 19:38:43 <bk128> same
2427 2011-02-17 19:38:58 <nathan7> I'm all for QFN packages these days
2428 2011-02-17 19:39:18 <ArtForz> y?
2429 2011-02-17 19:39:25 <x6763_> lfm: what i'm concerned about are the checks to keep from reading some overly large transaction sent by a malicious node
2430 2011-02-17 19:39:36 <ArtForz> I'd rather have a 1mm FTBGA
2431 2011-02-17 19:39:39 <nathan7> I hate things with leads
2432 2011-02-17 19:39:53 <nathan7> and QFN and stuff are doable with my home PCB/soldering stuff
2433 2011-02-17 19:40:07 <lfm> x6763_ dunno about that for sure
2434 2011-02-17 19:40:49 <ArtForz> yeah
2435 2011-02-17 19:40:58 <nathan7> I can't do BGA at home
2436 2011-02-17 19:41:02 <ArtForz> why not?
2437 2011-02-17 19:41:10 <nathan7> okay, maybe I could reflow it
2438 2011-02-17 19:41:15 <ArtForz> yeah
2439 2011-02-17 19:41:15 <bk128> ArtForz: you need stencils, right?
2440 2011-02-17 19:41:15 <nathan7> but if it goes wrong, I'm fucked.
2441 2011-02-17 19:41:22 <nathan7> bk128: stencils are cheap and easy
2442 2011-02-17 19:41:24 <ArtForz> yep
2443 2011-02-17 19:41:28 <ArtForz> BGAs are pretty easy to do with toaster reflow
2444 2011-02-17 19:41:32 <nathan7> Kapton, lasercutter
2445 2011-02-17 19:41:33 <ArtForz> not so much with skillet reflow
2446 2011-02-17 19:41:37 <nathan7> ArtForz: if it goes wrong, I'm fucked.
2447 2011-02-17 19:41:41 <ArtForz> not really
2448 2011-02-17 19:41:45 <nathan7> toaster reflow==toaster oven?
2449 2011-02-17 19:41:46 <bk128> reheat it
2450 2011-02-17 19:41:49 <bk128> yup
2451 2011-02-17 19:41:49 <nathan7> I can't rework
2452 2011-02-17 19:41:49 <ArtForz> yep
2453 2011-02-17 19:42:04 <ArtForz> a chinese hot-air station is like $70
2454 2011-02-17 19:42:15 <ArtForz> use a hotplate for PCB preheating
2455 2011-02-17 19:42:16 <nathan7> I don't have that
2456 2011-02-17 19:42:22 <bk128> I have an aoyue
2457 2011-02-17 19:42:24 <ArtForz> yep
2458 2011-02-17 19:42:26 <nathan7> I have a toaster oven with fancy controller
2459 2011-02-17 19:42:27 <bk128> I need a preheater though.
2460 2011-02-17 19:42:28 <ArtForz> cheap and works
2461 2011-02-17 19:42:30 <phantomcircuit> it's amazing how simple the sha-2 algorithm actually is
2462 2011-02-17 19:42:55 <ArtForz> I also have a $2k weller, but I prefer the chinese firebomb
2463 2011-02-17 19:43:05 <bk128> it's called a firebomb?
2464 2011-02-17 19:43:08 <ArtForz> no
2465 2011-02-17 19:43:13 <ArtForz> but they like to go up in flames FNAR
2466 2011-02-17 19:43:17 * nathan7 has a lovely old weller iron
2467 2011-02-17 19:43:26 <bk128> I have a hakko
2468 2011-02-17 19:43:27 <nathan7> it predates me
2469 2011-02-17 19:43:44 <ArtForz> yep, them old wellers are hard to kill
2470 2011-02-17 19:43:57 <nathan7> Was my granddad's
2471 2011-02-17 19:44:01 <nathan7> His work let him keep it
2472 2011-02-17 19:44:11 <ArtForz> I think my old weller soldering/vacuum desoldering station is from the 70s ...
2473 2011-02-17 19:44:32 <nathan7> o:
2474 2011-02-17 19:44:35 <ArtForz> got it for $20 on a flea market, vacuum pump motor was shot
2475 2011-02-17 19:44:41 <nathan7> I need to get hot-air crap someday
2476 2011-02-17 19:44:59 <nathan7> but I plain can't afford it
2477 2011-02-17 19:45:06 <ArtForz> replaced the vacuum pump with a central locking servo pump from a audi
2478 2011-02-17 19:45:09 <nathan7> Maybe after my birthday
2479 2011-02-17 19:45:11 <nathan7> heh, nice
2480 2011-02-17 19:45:17 <bitanarchy> Assuming that in 3 months the hash rate is 1Thps then you have a small revenue of 693 BTC (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=sum&a=*C.sum-_*Calculator.dflt-&f2=0.096*%28260*10**-3%29**%28i%2F13140%29&f=Sum.sumfunction_0.096*%28260*10**-3%29**%28i%2F13140%29&f3=i&f=Sum.sumvariable_i&f4=0&f=Sum.sumlowerlimit_0&f5=13140&x=8&y=4&f=Sum.sumupperlimit_13140) , with a mining contract of 0,5Ghps...
2481 2011-02-17 19:45:19 <bitanarchy> ...which costs 576.45 BTC
2482 2011-02-17 19:45:30 <ArtForz> and yes, if you don't run em continously, those 12V pumps work fine on 24V ...
2483 2011-02-17 19:45:38 <nathan7> Hehe.
2484 2011-02-17 19:47:03 <cosurgi> ;;bc,stats
2485 2011-02-17 19:47:05 <gribble> Current Blocks: 108775 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 88 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 9 hours, 40 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36220.66657671
2486 2011-02-17 19:47:08 <ArtForz> I really have to figure out a better cooling setup, this is annoying
2487 2011-02-17 19:47:20 <cosurgi> a fridge?
2488 2011-02-17 19:47:25 <cosurgi> ;)
2489 2011-02-17 19:47:26 <ArtForz> I have to run the fans at near 100%, can hear em from 2 rooms over
2490 2011-02-17 19:47:43 <cosurgi> air conditioning?
2491 2011-02-17 19:47:45 <ArtForz> sounds pretty much like a 1U server
2492 2011-02-17 19:47:55 <bk128> ArtForz: thermoelectric junctions?
2493 2011-02-17 19:48:07 <ArtForz> yeah, but that'll kill efficiency
2494 2011-02-17 19:48:08 <bk128> waterblocks w/ car radiators
2495 2011-02-17 19:48:10 <cosurgi> liquid nitrogen? ;)
2496 2011-02-17 19:48:16 <grubles> anyone know a possible reason my gpu usage keeps dropping every couple of minutes?
2497 2011-02-17 19:48:16 <bk128> pump the heat outside
2498 2011-02-17 19:48:20 <ArtForz> I may have an idea
2499 2011-02-17 19:48:22 <grubles> its not due to throttling
2500 2011-02-17 19:48:32 <bk128> ArtForz: what is it?
2501 2011-02-17 19:48:36 <ArtForz> those things have pretty low T junction-board
2502 2011-02-17 19:48:50 <bk128> pads underneath too?
2503 2011-02-17 19:48:55 <cdecker> grubles: you're running on a pool?
2504 2011-02-17 19:49:02 <nathan7> I need to figure[B
2505 2011-02-17 19:49:03 <nathan7> ~ [B[B
2506 2011-02-17 19:49:05 <ArtForz> add lots of thermal vias and put a heatsink on the underside of the board, too
2507 2011-02-17 19:49:09 <grubles> cdecker: private pool, yes
2508 2011-02-17 19:49:10 <nathan7> whoops
2509 2011-02-17 19:49:14 <nathan7> ArtForz: alu substrate?
2510 2011-02-17 19:49:17 <ArtForz> nah
2511 2011-02-17 19:49:18 <cdecker> Ok no then it's not latency
2512 2011-02-17 19:49:24 <ArtForz> well, I could do that, but it's $$$
2513 2011-02-17 19:49:52 <comboy> slush: ?
2514 2011-02-17 19:49:58 <slush> yes?
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2516 2011-02-17 19:50:10 <ArtForz> hmmm, gotta try something
2517 2011-02-17 19:50:14 <comboy> can I 2 quick questions not to spam forum?
2518 2011-02-17 19:50:16 <nathan7> figuring out how to DIY alu substrate boards is a todo
2519 2011-02-17 19:50:24 <nathan7> comboy: you accidentally the whole verb, sir
2520 2011-02-17 19:50:36 <comboy> I accidentally economy
2521 2011-02-17 19:50:46 <ArtForz> nathan7: if you can do multilayer PCB, you can do alu substrate
2522 2011-02-17 19:50:49 <cosurgi> comboy: just ask, quick
2523 2011-02-17 19:51:00 <nathan7> ArtForz: but I can't do either
2524 2011-02-17 19:51:11 <nathan7> I need to get a lazor or something
2525 2011-02-17 19:51:26 <comboy> slush: if everything is live again, how about cheating with starting to mine only after say 10th minute of round for example?
2526 2011-02-17 19:51:35 <ArtForz> nah, just really thin single sided PCBs and a press ;)
2527 2011-02-17 19:51:38 <nathan7> and some form of solder resister
2528 2011-02-17 19:51:39 <comboy> (since if I get it right later shares are with more weight)
2529 2011-02-17 19:51:41 <nathan7> ArtForz: mhm
2530 2011-02-17 19:51:44 <nathan7> *resist
2531 2011-02-17 19:51:45 <slush> comboy: read the forum thread
2532 2011-02-17 19:51:52 <nathan7> and then figure out how to do proper solder resists
2533 2011-02-17 19:51:52 <xelister> When memtest reports error at offset ... then this offset means a phisical memory address (RAM cell) or just offset in the buffer of test program? How to find out which cell might be demaged?
2534 2011-02-17 19:51:52 <comboy> slush: ok
2535 2011-02-17 19:51:54 <ArtForz> thats how alu core PCBs are usually made...
2536 2011-02-17 19:52:04 <nathan7> ArtForz: mhm
2537 2011-02-17 19:52:16 <nathan7> I was looking at plating the copper on
2538 2011-02-17 19:52:18 <ArtForz> simplya 4mil PCB glued onto a alu plate
2539 2011-02-17 19:52:36 <slush> comboy: oh, are you asking about reversed attack as Raulo proposed? About start mining AFTER few minutes?
2540 2011-02-17 19:52:41 <ArtForz> some mfgs also do copper-on-kapton-glued-to-alu
2541 2011-02-17 19:52:45 <nathan7> CuCl2 solution won't do a lot to the Al, but it etches copper really well
2542 2011-02-17 19:52:52 <cosurgi> comboy: but it's already live again.
2543 2011-02-17 19:52:54 <bitanarchy> ArtForz: if you are right that hash rate increase will be like November, then Vladimir's mining contracts are worthless :-)
2544 2011-02-17 19:53:01 <nathan7> ArtForz: I was thinking of anodising the Al substrate in sulphuric first
2545 2011-02-17 19:53:08 <nathan7> ArtForz: but that isn't a good electrical insulator
2546 2011-02-17 19:53:13 <nathan7> ArtForz: but it's very porous
2547 2011-02-17 19:53:18 <nathan7> and then in borax
2548 2011-02-17 19:53:20 <cosurgi> comboy: probelm with this attack, is that once you start, you cannot disconnect, or it's all wasted.
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2550 2011-02-17 19:53:24 <nathan7> Which gives a good electrical insulation
2551 2011-02-17 19:53:42 <cosurgi> comboy: and you never know when the block will be fount, so you cannot join, just before finidng the block.
2552 2011-02-17 19:53:56 <nathan7> Then you plate copper on somehow
2553 2011-02-17 19:54:04 <slush> comboy: well, not 'all', but major part, as next shares have much higher weight
2554 2011-02-17 19:54:07 <nathan7> I just need to find the 'somehow'
2555 2011-02-17 19:54:19 <nathan7> electroless plating or something
2556 2011-02-17 19:54:27 <BlueMatt> slush like the estimated reward box, really cool
2557 2011-02-17 19:54:35 <ArtForz> or just use a intermediate carrier like everyone else ...
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2559 2011-02-17 19:54:58 <slush> BlueMatt: it was there before, I disabled all those features because of possible cheating
2560 2011-02-17 19:55:43 <BlueMatt> slush oh, well sorry im one of the new sec now guys, so excuse the noobishness
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2562 2011-02-17 19:56:00 <slush> BlueMatt: No problem, this is why I explain it to you :)
2563 2011-02-17 19:56:48 <ArtForz> usual stackup is 5u copper on 1mil kapton or 4mil FR4, gets etched, chemically plated to 35 or 70u copper, glued to alu substrate
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2565 2011-02-17 19:57:24 <Raulo> comboy: you cannot cheat this way. You can know when the round starts but you never know when it ends
2566 2011-02-17 19:57:31 <comboy> slush: sorry I'm running away all time, I use IRC like it's an e-mail, yeah reversed, after 10 minutes
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2569 2011-02-17 19:57:57 <ArtForz> for more than 1 layer, you basically build a normal but very thin multilayer PCB, again glue a kapton sheet to one side and glue that on the alu substrate
2570 2011-02-17 19:57:58 <slush> comboy: well, the problem for cheater is that he also miss many fast blocks
2571 2011-02-17 19:58:01 <comboy> Raulo: but statistically I earn more, I will always wait until round ends
2572 2011-02-17 19:58:17 <nathan7> ArtForz: but but but
2573 2011-02-17 19:58:17 <slush> comboy: and you never find the "right time" for connecting, as there is huge variance between every round
2574 2011-02-17 19:58:26 <comboy> slush: yes, that is indeed a problem, but possibly optimal time could be found
2575 2011-02-17 19:58:30 <nathan7> it's not an elegant solution
2576 2011-02-17 19:58:35 <comboy> hmm
2577 2011-02-17 19:58:47 <comboy> that would require some calculation actually
2578 2011-02-17 19:58:49 <slush> comboy: try it :)
2579 2011-02-17 19:58:53 <ArtForz> erm, it's the same way PCBs have been built for decades...
2580 2011-02-17 19:59:11 <nathan7> but I *like* my idea
2581 2011-02-17 19:59:14 <comboy> variance does not matter, we are only considering expected value on the long run
2582 2011-02-17 19:59:26 <nathan7> plusit prolly gives better thermal characteristics
2583 2011-02-17 19:59:31 <comboy> slush: I will, thanks for responses anyway, need to go away again
2584 2011-02-17 20:00:07 <slush> comboy: bye
2585 2011-02-17 20:00:11 <Raulo> comboy: the idea of the original strategy was to start mining early and quit. You get paid in short rounds but you don't spend time in long rounds which are less profitable
2586 2011-02-17 20:00:19 <comboy> slush: but for sure if you use some let's say simple 10mins cache for stats page it ruins it for the cheater
2587 2011-02-17 20:00:43 <validus> theres an instructable.com post by compute4cash also, might be convenient as to finding who really owns it etc
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2589 2011-02-17 20:00:47 <slush> comboy: well, I'm doing caching layer _right now_, because many people forgot their finger on F5 :-D
2590 2011-02-17 20:00:55 <slush> as estimated reward and stats are back online
2591 2011-02-17 20:01:11 <slush> but it will be just something around 30 seconds
2592 2011-02-17 20:01:35 <nathan7> ArtForz: Kapton isn't a great heat conductor, no?
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2594 2011-02-17 20:02:27 <ArtForz> not great, but at those thicknesses, good enough
2595 2011-02-17 20:02:52 <ArtForz> 0.5W/m*K or so
2596 2011-02-17 20:03:42 <nathan7> OTOH, alumina is an awesome heat conductor
2597 2011-02-17 20:03:51 <ArtForz> yep
2598 2011-02-17 20:04:15 <nathan7> so, it'd rock if my idea worked
2599 2011-02-17 20:04:18 <Mango-chan> :(
2600 2011-02-17 20:04:20 <ArtForz> yeah
2601 2011-02-17 20:04:24 <Mango-chan> i only make .5btc per block
2602 2011-02-17 20:04:35 <Mango-chan> feels bad man
2603 2011-02-17 20:04:49 <Mango-chan> has anyone used libertyreserve
2604 2011-02-17 20:05:02 <ArtForz> problem is trying to get the copper to stay on the alumina substrate
2605 2011-02-17 20:05:46 <ArtForz> Mango-chan: yes
2606 2011-02-17 20:05:55 <Mango-chan> how is it?
2607 2011-02-17 20:06:02 <mmarker> Artforz: Depends on your method. Give me a orgometallic and some supercritical CO2...and it can be done.
2608 2011-02-17 20:06:05 <ArtForz> it works
2609 2011-02-17 20:06:16 <Mango-chan> how do you cash out
2610 2011-02-17 20:06:22 <Mango-chan> from lusd ->
2611 2011-02-17 20:06:27 <ArtForz> btw, kapton (aka polyimide) is fucking awesome as far as polymers go
2612 2011-02-17 20:06:29 <nathan7> mmarker: 'spensive
2613 2011-02-17 20:06:32 <Mango-chan> cash
2614 2011-02-17 20:06:34 <nathan7> ArtForz: it is, yes
2615 2011-02-17 20:06:43 <nathan7> Electroless plating would rock
2616 2011-02-17 20:06:55 <ArtForz> yep
2617 2011-02-17 20:07:06 <Mango-chan> ArtForz how easy is it to cash out
2618 2011-02-17 20:07:10 <mmarker> Nathan7: cheaper than you think..and a hell of a lot better than CVS
2619 2011-02-17 20:07:12 <Mango-chan> from lusd to whatever currency
2620 2011-02-17 20:07:23 <mmarker> Err, cvd
2621 2011-02-17 20:07:25 <ArtForz> Mango-chan: depends on the currency to want
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2623 2011-02-17 20:07:30 <Mango-chan> usd
2624 2011-02-17 20:07:57 <ArtForz> hmmm, no clue
2625 2011-02-17 20:08:04 <ArtForz> in EURland ecardone is a decent exchanger
2626 2011-02-17 20:08:24 <mmarker> Worked with people in grad school who messed with that stuff. Think that group got hired by Intel and some developer of chipfab machines
2627 2011-02-17 20:11:54 <nathan7> mmarker: Hmm
2628 2011-02-17 20:12:02 <nathan7> mmarker: But I can't do that.
2629 2011-02-17 20:12:08 <nathan7> And that takes the DIY out of it
2630 2011-02-17 20:12:11 <citiz3n> ;;book
2631 2011-02-17 20:12:12 <gribble> (book <thing>) -- Get a list of open orders for <thing>.
2632 2011-02-17 20:12:16 <citiz3n> ;;book ppusd
2633 2011-02-17 20:12:16 <gribble> Error: Too many orders to list on channel. Visit the website at http://bitcoin-otc.com/ to see the complete order book in a nice table.
2634 2011-02-17 20:12:30 <mmarker> Hehe. Well..for co2...you just need a pump
2635 2011-02-17 20:12:44 <mmarker> The orgometallic isn't something I'd mess with
2636 2011-02-17 20:12:56 <mmarker> Unless you want cancer with that hardware
2637 2011-02-17 20:14:31 <nathan7> Cancer?
2638 2011-02-17 20:14:46 <nathan7> organocopper shit can't be that bad
2639 2011-02-17 20:15:19 <nathan7> Organocopper compounds are very reactive towards oxygen and water forming copper(I) oxide, tend to be thermally unstable and are generally insoluble in inert solvents. They are therefore difficult to handle and of little practical value.
2640 2011-02-17 20:15:23 <nathan7> damn
2641 2011-02-17 20:15:55 <mmarker> Yes. It can be :D
2642 2011-02-17 20:16:10 <mmarker> Welcome to chemistry. It'll all kill you.
2643 2011-02-17 20:16:23 <nathan7> Too much of anything will kill you.
2644 2011-02-17 20:16:32 <nathan7> Like, too much dihydrogen monoxide
2645 2011-02-17 20:16:34 <mmarker> That above..lemme translate
2646 2011-02-17 20:16:53 <mmarker> "Will catch on fire and or explode in air spontaneously"
2647 2011-02-17 20:16:57 <nathan7> I KNOW
2648 2011-02-17 20:17:24 <nathan7> I guess you'll have to plate it with something else first
2649 2011-02-17 20:17:33 <nathan7> then electroplate copper on or something
2650 2011-02-17 20:17:55 <mmarker> No. The method uses co2 as the solvent
2651 2011-02-17 20:18:15 <mmarker> You heat which removes the ligands...and the copper anneals
2652 2011-02-17 20:18:46 <nathan7> "generally insoluble in inert solvents"
2653 2011-02-17 20:18:51 <mmarker> Cilia. Thin layers that can get into the tiniest channels
2654 2011-02-17 20:19:03 <nathan7> I know what it is.
2655 2011-02-17 20:19:13 <mmarker> Supercritical fluids are odd beasts
2656 2011-02-17 20:19:45 <nathan7> They do something similar with platinum, just no magical supercritical solvents
2657 2011-02-17 20:20:14 <mmarker> Yup. Bonus with this stuff is the solvent wont kill ya...
2658 2011-02-17 20:20:28 <nathan7> ..well
2659 2011-02-17 20:21:07 <nathan7> and most of the volatile non-halogenated organic solvents are fine
2660 2011-02-17 20:21:11 <nathan7> which is what they use, methinks
2661 2011-02-17 20:23:56 <mmarker> The reason for the supercriticality is mass transfer
2662 2011-02-17 20:24:15 <mmarker> Viscosity of those fluids is around that of the gas
2663 2011-02-17 20:25:31 <xelister> I hate pulseaudio shit
2664 2011-02-17 20:25:40 <xelister> it connects to my fucking HDMI instead to my sound card
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2668 2011-02-17 20:32:57 <nathan7> mmarker: sure, but if it's insoluble..
2669 2011-02-17 20:34:22 <andrew12_> ;;bc,stats
2670 2011-02-17 20:34:23 <gribble> Current Blocks: 108779 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 84 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 9 hours, 15 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36188.01142539
2671 2011-02-17 20:34:35 <mmarker> That's where the fun begins.
2672 2011-02-17 20:34:57 <mmarker> Some of the rules around solvency get thrown out the window when you in a supercirtical phase
2673 2011-02-17 20:36:14 <mmarker> You can also do this with supercritical ethane
2674 2011-02-17 20:36:18 <mmarker> But, uh, dont smoke.
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2676 2011-02-17 20:41:04 <nathan7> mmarker: hehe
2677 2011-02-17 20:41:10 <nathan7> I don't smoke
2678 2011-02-17 20:41:17 <nathan7> Ethane is easy to get hold of
2679 2011-02-17 20:41:22 <nathan7> although CO2 is too =p
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2683 2011-02-17 20:42:19 <cosurgi> wow, round has 2 hours.
2684 2011-02-17 20:42:24 <cosurgi> crazy long
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2687 2011-02-17 20:45:10 <nathan7> nanotube: What are you doing to the poor thing?
2688 2011-02-17 20:45:36 <nanotube> nathan7: just trying to get it back on ssl. :) seems to be fine now ,,ping
2689 2011-02-17 20:45:37 <gribble> pong
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2693 2011-02-17 20:46:08 <nathan7> nanotube: :D
2694 2011-02-17 20:46:25 <nathan7> mmarker: What kind of pressures do I need for supercritical ethane?
2695 2011-02-17 20:48:28 <mmarker> Uhh.
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2698 2011-02-17 20:48:31 <mmarker> Well..
2699 2011-02-17 20:48:36 <mmarker> 48 atmospheres >.>
2700 2011-02-17 20:48:38 <mmarker> <.,
2701 2011-02-17 20:48:53 <mmarker> CO2 is 98
2702 2011-02-17 20:49:02 <mmarker> err, 70. My bad
2703 2011-02-17 20:49:14 <cosurgi> ,,ping
2704 2011-02-17 20:49:14 <gribble> pong
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2706 2011-02-17 20:49:20 <cosurgi> ,,pong
2707 2011-02-17 20:49:20 <gribble> ping
2708 2011-02-17 20:50:04 <cosurgi> ,,2+2
2709 2011-02-17 20:50:05 <gribble> Error: "2" is not a valid command.
2710 2011-02-17 20:50:26 <cosurgi> ,,version
2711 2011-02-17 20:50:27 <nathan7> mmarker: 70 is CO2?
2712 2011-02-17 20:50:27 <gribble> The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.4.1+gribble (2010-12-01T16:53:08-0500). The newest version available in the gribble git repository is 0.83.4.1+gribble (2010-12-01T16:53:08-0500).
2713 2011-02-17 20:50:58 <nathan7> mmarker: Either way, it's way out of what is doable for amateurs methinks
2714 2011-02-17 20:51:01 <mmarker> Yea, 70 atmospheres
2715 2011-02-17 20:51:12 <mmarker> Yea, you may be able to find the syringe pumps you need.
2716 2011-02-17 20:51:25 <mmarker> But honestly, the chemicals are much, much more dangerous.
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2718 2011-02-17 20:54:24 <nathan7> mmarker: I know my chemistry.
2719 2011-02-17 20:54:43 <nathan7> Although there are still things I don't want to work with of course
2720 2011-02-17 20:55:05 <nathan7> Like mercury and lead and their compounds
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2722 2011-02-17 20:56:35 <nathan7> mmarker: but organocopper should be doable
2723 2011-02-17 20:56:48 <nathan7> If you flush your working area with N2 or something
2724 2011-02-17 20:57:43 <mmarker> It's more the ligands that are attached to the orgometallic aren't nice for you. Nor are the transition metals, on the whole.
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2726 2011-02-17 20:58:21 <mmarker> Doing that sort of chemistry you get good with pig lines, dry boxes, drying in situ, etc. I always respected my friends who were able to do that and not set fire to the lab.
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2728 2011-02-17 20:58:33 <mmarker> I just got to play with the radioactive stuff.
2729 2011-02-17 20:58:37 <nathan7> mhm, mhm
2730 2011-02-17 20:58:46 <nathan7> Radioactive is a no-no for me
2731 2011-02-17 20:59:02 <jellox> hey guys
2732 2011-02-17 20:59:13 <nathan7> But as long as you use gloves and crap
2733 2011-02-17 20:59:20 <nathan7> Glovebox would be fine
2734 2011-02-17 20:59:24 <nathan7> Flush the thing with dry N2
2735 2011-02-17 20:59:32 <mmarker> Heh. I remember my firest trip to DC to work there. They told me "don't drink water in here, since it'll get radioactive just sitting around"
2736 2011-02-17 20:59:42 <nathan7> jellox: hi there.
2737 2011-02-17 20:59:45 <nathan7> mmarker: Hehe.
2738 2011-02-17 20:59:47 <mmarker> My response "Urm, I'm mostly water"
2739 2011-02-17 20:59:51 <nathan7> heh.
2740 2011-02-17 20:59:54 <cosurgi> GPU load : 0% ?? , but 877981 khash/sec , WTF ?
2741 2011-02-17 21:00:15 <mmarker> reply: "Uhh. Yea." Apparently the cure in that case. Drink a lot of beer.
2742 2011-02-17 21:00:23 <edcba_> lol
2743 2011-02-17 21:00:23 <nathan7> =p
2744 2011-02-17 21:00:35 <jellox> cosurgi; what card do you have @ 877mhs?
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2746 2011-02-17 21:00:54 <cronopio> slush: Hi!! I hope you have a nice day
2747 2011-02-17 21:01:02 <cosurgi> jellox: this box has 2*5870+1*5850
2748 2011-02-17 21:01:09 <jellox> ah
2749 2011-02-17 21:01:12 <slush> cronopio: depends :)
2750 2011-02-17 21:01:14 <cronopio> slush: I see the new features in the site. Thanks a lot!!
2751 2011-02-17 21:01:22 <jellox> Im trying to get my two 5970's going on a win7 64 box
2752 2011-02-17 21:01:25 <cosurgi> jellox: but why GPU load : 0% ,and it works?
2753 2011-02-17 21:01:41 <cosurgi> now it's 30% !
2754 2011-02-17 21:01:45 <cronopio> slush: depends?? i hope all your things can resolve
2755 2011-02-17 21:01:50 <jellox> maybe its not checkoing gpu load what ar eyour temps?>
2756 2011-02-17 21:02:19 <cosurgi> 89.50 C ... :/
2757 2011-02-17 21:02:24 <cosurgi> Sensor 0: Temperature - 89.50 C
2758 2011-02-17 21:02:24 <cosurgi> Sensor 0: Temperature - 69.50 C
2759 2011-02-17 21:02:24 <cosurgi> Sensor 0: Temperature - 85.50 C
2760 2011-02-17 21:02:26 <jellox> anyone know if you can run twin 5970's on windows box?
2761 2011-02-17 21:02:38 <slush> cronopio: sure :)
2762 2011-02-17 21:02:53 <nathan7> mmarker: But I think electroless copper would be more practical
2763 2011-02-17 21:03:00 <cosurgi> so the card stops for few seconds just to cool down?
2764 2011-02-17 21:03:11 <cronopio> slush: thanks for the new meters.
2765 2011-02-17 21:03:13 <jellox> cos; could be
2766 2011-02-17 21:03:42 <cosurgi> too bad. It's good that on monday I'm moving them to air conditioned server room.
2767 2011-02-17 21:03:54 <jellox> cool
2768 2011-02-17 21:03:58 <jellox> letterlly
2769 2011-02-17 21:04:00 <cronopio> slush: the reward for shares are same for found blocks?? or when found block i get more reward??
2770 2011-02-17 21:04:02 <jellox> *litterally
2771 2011-02-17 21:04:15 <cosurgi> curently they are in my office, and when I enter my office the desk&chair are hot!
2772 2011-02-17 21:04:23 <slush> cronopio: everything is fine, I'm just fiddling with caching instead of real work :)
2773 2011-02-17 21:04:27 <jellox> get a fan open the case for now
2774 2011-02-17 21:04:39 <cosurgi> and printer prints paper in dark gray :) The laser inko got too hot ;)
2775 2011-02-17 21:04:53 <jellox> so.. no one running 2x5970 on windows box?
2776 2011-02-17 21:04:56 <slush> cronopio: well, good question
2777 2011-02-17 21:05:06 <jellox> I'd really like to get up to my 1.2ghps
2778 2011-02-17 21:05:06 <cosurgi> jellox: oh, the case is near to non-existant :) And four fans around.
2779 2011-02-17 21:05:22 <cronopio> slush: jejejje first fun things please!!!!
2780 2011-02-17 21:05:23 <slush> cronopio: there is no special bonus for finding blocks
2781 2011-02-17 21:05:23 <jellox> cosurgi: hah nice!
2782 2011-02-17 21:05:43 <cronopio> slush: oh!, great!, thanks for your answer
2783 2011-02-17 21:06:18 <slush> cronopio: but once your submit is the last valid share in the round, thanks to the score system you will receive the highest possible reward for the winning share :)
2784 2011-02-17 21:06:27 <jellox> how hard is it to do a linux install if I cant get these two cards going....?
2785 2011-02-17 21:06:32 <jellox> i know nothign baout linux
2786 2011-02-17 21:07:34 <cronopio> slush: how is that the highest possible reward??, over all others workers??
2787 2011-02-17 21:08:03 <validus> divides the winning hash / users i believe
2788 2011-02-17 21:08:05 <mmarker> Ok, serious face time. What's the JSON command to see what are some public keys I can use for a transaction?
2789 2011-02-17 21:08:22 <validus> i dont know the exact formula, that would make sense though
2790 2011-02-17 21:08:23 <validus> lol
2791 2011-02-17 21:08:27 <slush> cronopio: did you read the post about score based system in the forum?
2792 2011-02-17 21:08:47 <cronopio> slush: let me check better
2793 2011-02-17 21:08:55 <nanotube> mmarker: you can just do "getnewaddress" to generate a new one.
2794 2011-02-17 21:08:55 <cosurgi> cronopio: every next share has higher score than previous share. So the last share has higher score.
2795 2011-02-17 21:08:59 <cronopio> slush: my english its not so good :(
2796 2011-02-17 21:09:01 <slush> cronopio: every share is worth another price. Later share has bigger price than previous one
2797 2011-02-17 21:09:19 <nanotube> mmarker: or i think there's also 'listreceivedbyaddress'... that'll give you a list of addresses
2798 2011-02-17 21:09:51 <slush> cronopio: so when you submit the last share in the current round, thanks to this 'feature', you receive the highest possible price per your last share, because it has the highest score in the round :)
2799 2011-02-17 21:09:54 <slush> It's little tricky
2800 2011-02-17 21:10:31 <cronopio> slush: off course, well thought
2801 2011-02-17 21:10:37 <mmarker> slush: nice way to get around the bail and run
2802 2011-02-17 21:11:17 <RichardG> if you think cpus arent as bad as gpus on heat
2803 2011-02-17 21:11:43 <RichardG> my laptop is victim of several unanswered complaints on dell's forum
2804 2011-02-17 21:12:04 <RichardG> about reaching 90c idle under most conditions
2805 2011-02-17 21:12:17 <cronopio> slush: thanks a lot for your help!!
2806 2011-02-17 21:12:44 <nanotube> slush: ah, nice system there.
2807 2011-02-17 21:12:46 <nanotube> interesting.
2808 2011-02-17 21:13:07 <nanotube> slush: didn't read the post... but hope you calibrated it so that the incentive to mine early blocks doesn't go out the window. :)
2809 2011-02-17 21:13:17 <nanotube> early shares that is
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2811 2011-02-17 21:14:17 <slush> nanotube: Read the post, everything is explained here. There is bigger variance than in previous, share based system. But it is fair as previous system, but cheat-proof
2812 2011-02-17 21:14:25 <cronopio> I guess its this post "Today I would like to introduce new system for calculating round rewards. " http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1976.msg50002;topicseen#msg50002
2813 2011-02-17 21:14:45 <slush> nanotube: but I'm prepared to complains from side of CPU miners :)
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2815 2011-02-17 21:14:59 <slush> cronopio: exactly
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2817 2011-02-17 21:15:24 <nathan7> la la la
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2819 2011-02-17 21:15:40 <cronopio> very complete!!! Highly recommended
2820 2011-02-17 21:17:07 <mmarker> Ok, dumb question number 2. I have a bitcoind and a client running on different machines, is there a way to extract the keys from one wallet and put them into another, so I can rescan the blocks on the desktop machine?
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2822 2011-02-17 21:18:10 <mmarker> Hmm, I should just patch and add it to the API
2823 2011-02-17 21:18:37 <cosurgi> nanotube: people who won't mine several first minutes of a round will lose few BTC after a day, becuase they will skip short rounds. Overall the "cheat" gain will be negative.
2824 2011-02-17 21:18:54 <BlueMatt> ;;seen gavinandresen
2825 2011-02-17 21:18:54 <gribble> gavinandresen was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 1 day, 0 hours, 40 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <gavinandresen> gasteve: lfm means -datadir
2826 2011-02-17 21:19:30 <cosurgi> nanotube: so if they don't get it - it's their problem :) not the pool's problem.
2827 2011-02-17 21:21:27 <cosurgi> I think that the difficulty estimation in all p2p clients should be corrected by taking into account first derivative, using finite differential method, hwre only previous points are known (and future are unknown). But probably that change would require everyone to upgrade so it's impossible.
2828 2011-02-17 21:21:41 <cosurgi> but with this approach the predictions would be more accurrate.
2829 2011-02-17 21:22:26 <midnightmagic> you know what bugs me? 16/02/2011 22:30, 0000aaa6, invalid or stale <-- that. that bugs me.
2830 2011-02-17 21:22:58 <slush> midnightmagic on the pool?
2831 2011-02-17 21:23:06 <midnightmagic> no, i mine on my own.
2832 2011-02-17 21:23:10 <slush> oh, ok
2833 2011-02-17 21:23:42 <midnightmagic> assuming i understand it, it means my miner was doing useless work for a little while.
2834 2011-02-17 21:24:01 <OneFixt> midnightmagic: someone could have solved the block a split second before you
2835 2011-02-17 21:24:10 <slush> midnightmagic that means somebody submitted valid block just a second before you
2836 2011-02-17 21:24:25 <slush> midnightmagic so the block cannot be valid, as there cannot be two blocks with the same prevhash
2837 2011-02-17 21:25:11 <midnightmagic> right, but how big is that window of accuracy AND what possibility is there that the miner was working on a stale getwork even after bitcoind knew about the new block!
2838 2011-02-17 21:25:33 <slush> midnightmagic depends on ask rate of your miner
2839 2011-02-17 21:25:38 <OneFixt> 2.5 seconds on average if your askrate is 5 secs
2840 2011-02-17 21:25:38 <BlueMatt> midnightmagic what getwork rate do you use
2841 2011-02-17 21:25:41 <slush> midnightmagic something around 5 seconds
2842 2011-02-17 21:25:41 <BlueMatt> oh beaten to it
2843 2011-02-17 21:26:12 <slush> midnightmagic if you really found the block of high difficulty, you are really unlucky :)
2844 2011-02-17 21:26:19 <cronopio> slush: now the statistics page are not delayed right?
2845 2011-02-17 21:26:30 <slush> cronopio: except 30 seconds of caching, not
2846 2011-02-17 21:26:43 <cronopio> slush: ufff man, great work!!
2847 2011-02-17 21:27:04 <slush> and there are people who don't have even 30 second delay (me ) :)
2848 2011-02-17 21:27:05 <BlueMatt> slush: great work, thanks so much
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2850 2011-02-17 21:27:39 <midnightmagic> ah, askrate can be ratcheted down then. if two getwork happen in the same second, do they work on the same getwork?
2851 2011-02-17 21:27:55 <slush> midnightmagic no
2852 2011-02-17 21:28:05 <slush> midnightmagic every getwork is unique
2853 2011-02-17 21:28:16 <midnightmagic> slush: every single one is guaranteed to be unique?
2854 2011-02-17 21:28:18 <nanotube> cosurgi: well, they won't lose it - because they'll mine on their own in the meantime.
2855 2011-02-17 21:28:20 <slush> midnightmagic yes
2856 2011-02-17 21:28:31 <midnightmagic> slush: you are a scholar and a gentleman. thank you..
2857 2011-02-17 21:28:39 <BlueMatt> midnightmagic: you might also have a slow network connection resulting in your client getting the latest block long after it comes out
2858 2011-02-17 21:28:47 <cronopio> slush++
2859 2011-02-17 21:28:48 <jgarzik> what's the pool address for compute4cash.com ?
2860 2011-02-17 21:28:53 <nanotube> cosurgi: it may be optimal if the adjustment overcompensates. if it addresses the issue properly, then miners should be indifferent between mining early and late blocks.
2861 2011-02-17 21:29:00 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: why????
2862 2011-02-17 21:29:05 <nanotube> jgarzik: no idea... probably hardcoded in their miner.
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2866 2011-02-17 21:29:11 * jgarzik is curious to probe the server of compute4cash.com
2867 2011-02-17 21:29:12 <slush> there is INI file
2868 2011-02-17 21:29:19 * jgarzik wonders if compute4cash is using my poold
2869 2011-02-17 21:29:25 <BlueMatt> its m0m's
2870 2011-02-17 21:29:26 <slush> jgarzik: the url is in the ini
2871 2011-02-17 21:29:33 <midnightmagic> BlueMatt: that I can accept. I'm okay with that. but on a gE network in my house, there's 0 reason, it seems to me, to ever be working on internally inconsistent getworks.
2872 2011-02-17 21:29:34 <BlueMatt> oh poold, no idea
2873 2011-02-17 21:29:36 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: m0mchil wrote a client, not a server.
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2875 2011-02-17 21:29:51 <slush> jgarzik: they probably use some php stuff
2876 2011-02-17 21:29:53 <BlueMatt> yea got that 1 sec after posted (noob == me)
2877 2011-02-17 21:30:09 <slush> jgarzik: or they proxied your pool with some php stuff
2878 2011-02-17 21:31:08 <BlueMatt> anyone know what happened to the -port option gavin wrote and posted on the forums, why is it not in the client?
2879 2011-02-17 21:31:21 <jgarzik> http://www.compute4cash.com/work.php
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2881 2011-02-17 21:33:51 <JFK911> jgarzik: Would you like me to hexrays it for you
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2883 2011-02-17 21:36:33 <foucist> jgarzik: nothing there?
2884 2011-02-17 21:37:01 <foucist> jgarzik: did you mean http://www.compute4cash.com/index.php?howitworks or something?
2885 2011-02-17 21:37:06 <jgarzik> no
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2889 2011-02-17 21:37:32 <jgarzik> that's the URL in the ini file of compute4cash's client.
2890 2011-02-17 21:37:43 <jgarzik> presumably one must supply user/pass/etc.
2891 2011-02-17 21:37:45 <UukGoblin> ArtForz, I converted one raiser to draw power straight from PSU, it works, but the diablominer still dies at compilation of kernel #7
2892 2011-02-17 21:37:56 <BlueMatt> Compute4Cash's comments: http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=2196393&postcount=150
2893 2011-02-17 21:38:02 <UukGoblin> (numeration starts at #1 so it's the first chip of the last card)
2894 2011-02-17 21:38:06 <BlueMatt> http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=140579&page=6
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2896 2011-02-17 21:39:36 <JFK911> Oh, so they admitted to being a bitcoin miner?
2897 2011-02-17 21:39:41 <BlueMatt> yea
2898 2011-02-17 21:39:57 <BlueMatt> "Well, I guess our advertising was more effective than anticipated - we thought it would be another couple of weeks before the word got out about Bitcoin."
2899 2011-02-17 21:40:00 <jgarzik> something like compute4cash was inevitable. A "push here dummy" client that's easy for Your Grandmother to use is more attractive than current miner options, which require some geek skill. I'm just surprised nobody is competing at a lower profit margin
2900 2011-02-17 21:40:06 <JFK911> right
2901 2011-02-17 21:40:24 <JFK911> Well
2902 2011-02-17 21:40:29 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: I have no problem with what they are doing, but only if they are honest
2903 2011-02-17 21:40:44 <JFK911> Lets say they are running your daemon, jgarzik. How would one go about cheating or breaking it? :)
2904 2011-02-17 21:40:50 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: where have they been dishonest?
2905 2011-02-17 21:40:58 <jgarzik> JFK911: use the source, Luke :)
2906 2011-02-17 21:41:04 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: If they said we are a bitcoin miner who keeps a small amount to keep the service viable, fine...but hases to help the financial industry with compression ...???
2907 2011-02-17 21:41:22 <BlueMatt> hashes*
2908 2011-02-17 21:41:32 <UukGoblin> ArtForz, which drivers and what OS did you have on your 4x 5970 @ MSI 790fx-gd80?
2909 2011-02-17 21:41:47 <ArtForz> gd70
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2911 2011-02-17 21:42:08 <ArtForz> debian sid amd64, 2.6.32, fglrx 10.10, sdk 2.1
2912 2011-02-17 21:42:09 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: ? where is the lie?
2913 2011-02-17 21:42:44 <BlueMatt> OK no lie but glaring lie by omission, plus at least give credit to m0m and you for the server/client software
2914 2011-02-17 21:43:10 <jgarzik> <shrug> Does Aunt Tillie need to know those details?
2915 2011-02-17 21:43:41 <JFK911> Matt has a point, if they took published code and are turning it into a commercial cash machine I would surely notice it if nobody said this corp threw them a bone
2916 2011-02-17 21:43:42 <BlueMatt> No, but credit should still be given.
2917 2011-02-17 21:43:50 <UukGoblin> sorry yeah gd70
2918 2011-02-17 21:43:59 <JFK911> Even tho they have no legal obligation to
2919 2011-02-17 21:44:05 <BlueMatt> Even if it is technically public domain (well m0m's is, not sure about your server)
2920 2011-02-17 21:44:09 <UukGoblin> ok hrm I'll have to try debian then
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2922 2011-02-17 21:44:22 <Lachesis> hey, so my mining hardware just came today, dual 5870s
2923 2011-02-17 21:44:30 <JFK911> Lachesis: Did you overpay?
2924 2011-02-17 21:44:38 <Lachesis> JFK911, i dunno, why?
2925 2011-02-17 21:44:46 <JFK911> Just curious
2926 2011-02-17 21:44:49 <JFK911> The uh
2927 2011-02-17 21:44:54 <JFK911> good prices on this stuff dried up last week
2928 2011-02-17 21:44:54 <Lachesis> and i'm only getting like 15M hashes/second for them...
2929 2011-02-17 21:46:21 <jgarzik> The software license permits compute4cash behavior. Even the restrictive GPL license permits this. So slinging around words like "liar" are a bit much.
2930 2011-02-17 21:47:05 <JFK911> Yes
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2932 2011-02-17 21:47:19 <nanotube> jgarzik: well... if poclbm was gpl - it wouldn't. :)
2933 2011-02-17 21:47:25 <nanotube> because he's distributing the binary miner
2934 2011-02-17 21:47:45 <BlueMatt> Yes not technically a lier, but I think such behavior is still a lie because they are clearly not being honest
2935 2011-02-17 21:47:56 <nanotube> well, now the truth is out
2936 2011-02-17 21:47:58 <jgarzik> nanotube: miner is pd, so that's just fine
2937 2011-02-17 21:48:05 <nanotube> jgarzik: yes it is pd. i said /if/ :)
2938 2011-02-17 21:48:14 <BlueMatt> nanotube: fair enough, should get a tiny bit of publicity, good for the price
2939 2011-02-17 21:48:19 <nanotube> yea
2940 2011-02-17 21:48:27 <nanotube> and already his client count dropped from 90 to 83
2941 2011-02-17 21:48:48 <jgarzik> I think the client count will increase, because this furor will give him free publicity.
2942 2011-02-17 21:48:54 <nanotube> jgarzik: where they have been dishonest? they said they are doing "data compression in the financial sector"...
2943 2011-02-17 21:49:01 <nanotube> while that could technically be stretched to be 'true'
2944 2011-02-17 21:49:08 <nanotube> it sure is equivocative
2945 2011-02-17 21:49:10 <Lachesis> are there any ppas for ATI PyOpenCL builds?
2946 2011-02-17 21:49:25 <BlueMatt> Lachesis: AFAIK no
2947 2011-02-17 21:49:38 <nanotube> jgarzik: paying 50% rake is not very attractive. i think he'll have to lower his rake in order to attract clients.
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2949 2011-02-17 21:49:49 <nanotube> jgarzik: which i guess he can do simply by keeping his payout constant, while difficulty rises.
2950 2011-02-17 21:49:49 <slush> Im curious who is behind compute4cash. I'm almost sure it is somebody from here :)
2951 2011-02-17 21:50:09 <jgarzik> nanotube: it's attractive to rubes who think it's free money
2952 2011-02-17 21:50:16 <jgarzik> nanotube: and the world is full of rubes
2953 2011-02-17 21:50:20 <jgarzik> and lazy people
2954 2011-02-17 21:50:31 <BlueMatt> and people who dont understand that power != free
2955 2011-02-17 21:50:47 <jgarzik> or don't care (install it behind other's back)
2956 2011-02-17 21:50:49 <nanotube> jgarzik: haha true, possible. but at least now his enterprise will carry along publicity for bitcoin
2957 2011-02-17 21:50:55 <Lachesis> does DiabloMiner run more slowly on OpenJDK?
2958 2011-02-17 21:50:56 <nanotube> rather than just being a dark "guy making money" scheme.
2959 2011-02-17 21:51:03 <mmarker> Slush: trying to figure out how it could be a laundering scam...
2960 2011-02-17 21:51:05 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: yea but id install for my pool account
2961 2011-02-17 21:51:23 <BlueMatt> bitcoinlaundry.com
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2963 2011-02-17 21:51:53 <BlueMatt> Lachesis: it does for me (but only a tiny, tiny bit)
2964 2011-02-17 21:52:08 <BlueMatt> though it does make it slower than m0m's python one
2965 2011-02-17 21:52:22 <Lachesis> hrm
2966 2011-02-17 21:52:38 <Lachesis> I'm getting like 1/20th the speeds i expected from the mining hardware comparison page
2967 2011-02-17 21:53:03 <mmarker> Jgarzik: wanted to ask you. Your server with some hacking..could it be used as a mining proxy of sorts?
2968 2011-02-17 21:53:07 <ArtForz> you're doing it wrong.
2969 2011-02-17 21:53:13 <Lachesis> ArtForz, lol, ty
2970 2011-02-17 21:53:17 <jgarzik> his idea of putting a pool on port 80 is a good one. http:// and https:// are most likely to traverse firewalls.
2971 2011-02-17 21:53:30 <jgarzik> mmarker: that's how it started life, and how it is used at a few sites already
2972 2011-02-17 21:53:48 <jgarzik> mmarker: so, yes :)
2973 2011-02-17 21:53:59 <mmarker> Gotcha. Stitch it up to use MySQL
2974 2011-02-17 21:54:04 <mmarker> Boom, done
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2976 2011-02-17 21:54:25 <Lachesis> my 5870 is clocked at 850MHz and is only getting 16M hashes/sec
2977 2011-02-17 21:54:30 <mmarker> ...and I promise to get that davinci Daphne sha256 engine coded
2978 2011-02-17 21:54:37 <Lachesis> any ideas what i'm doing wrong?
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2980 2011-02-17 21:54:50 <mmarker> I love how android converts dsp. To Daphne
2981 2011-02-17 21:54:54 <Lachesis> also, aticonfig keeps saying things like "ERROR - Get clocks failed for Adapter 1 - ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series"
2982 2011-02-17 21:54:59 <Lachesis> for the second adapter
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2990 2011-02-17 22:00:46 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,gend 1693767 1
2991 2011-02-17 22:00:47 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1693767 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 1703638.9187 BTC per day and 70984.9549457 BTC per hour.
2992 2011-02-17 22:01:35 <jgarzik> ;;bc,gend 43 1
2993 2011-02-17 22:01:36 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 43 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 43.2506203651 BTC per day and 1.80210918188 BTC per hour.
2994 2011-02-17 22:02:04 <jgarzik> go, pyminer, go!
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2996 2011-02-17 22:02:39 * jgarzik needs to generate at least one share / testnet block, to prove it works.
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3001 2011-02-17 22:09:40 <UukGoblin> ArtForz, did you tweak your raisers at all or are you drawing everything from the mobo in the 4x 5970 setup?
3002 2011-02-17 22:09:57 <UukGoblin> ArtForz, also, what's the progress on ASICs? :-]
3003 2011-02-17 22:10:08 <validus> rummin amd's utility should have an auto overclock that should give them the most and proper setup
3004 2011-02-17 22:10:26 <validus> i did it for mine just to see what itd do
3005 2011-02-17 22:10:32 <validus> while i was minin at full load
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3008 2011-02-17 22:10:53 <validus> it only increased my khash by like 500 or so but it worked
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3015 2011-02-17 22:15:38 <cosurgi> ;;bc,gend 2310459
3016 2011-02-17 22:15:38 <gribble> (bc,gend <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The expected generation output, at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [math calc 50*24*60*60 / (1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256))] BTC per day and [math calc 50*60*60 / (1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256))] BTC per hour.".
3017 2011-02-17 22:15:44 <cosurgi> ;;bc,gen 2310459
3018 2011-02-17 22:15:45 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 2310459 Khps, given current difficulty of 25997.87992881 , is 89.3890286717 BTC per day and 3.72454286132 BTC per hour.
3019 2011-02-17 22:15:59 <cosurgi> ;;bc,stats
3020 2011-02-17 22:16:01 <gribble> Current Blocks: 108796 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 67 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 7 hours, 18 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36205.09462432
3021 2011-02-17 22:16:06 <cosurgi> ;;bc,gend 2310459 36205.09462432
3022 2011-02-17 22:16:06 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 2310459 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 36205.09462432, is 64.1877961793 BTC per day and 2.67449150747 BTC per hour.
3023 2011-02-17 22:16:13 <cosurgi> ;;bc,gend 2310459 46205
3024 2011-02-17 22:16:13 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 2310459 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 46205, is 50.2959687129 BTC per day and 2.09566536304 BTC per hour.
3025 2011-02-17 22:16:18 <cosurgi> ;;bc,gend 2310459 60205
3026 2011-02-17 22:16:18 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 2310459 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 60205, is 38.600203212 BTC per day and 1.6083418005 BTC per hour.
3027 2011-02-17 22:16:23 <cosurgi> ;;bc,gend 2310459 75205
3028 2011-02-17 22:16:24 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 2310459 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 75205, is 30.9012064939 BTC per day and 1.28755027058 BTC per hour.
3029 2011-02-17 22:16:29 <cosurgi> ;;bc,gend 2310459 90205
3030 2011-02-17 22:16:30 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 2310459 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 90205, is 25.7627097653 BTC per day and 1.07344624022 BTC per hour.
3031 2011-02-17 22:16:38 <cosurgi> sorry.
3032 2011-02-17 22:18:36 <Lachesis> cosurgi, you can private message gribble too
3033 2011-02-17 22:18:58 <molecular> ;seen dirtyfilthy
3034 2011-02-17 22:19:02 <molecular> ;;seen dirtyfilthy
3035 2011-02-17 22:19:02 <gribble> dirtyfilthy was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 21 hours, 21 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <dirtyfilthy> old school is good school
3036 2011-02-17 22:21:01 <cosurgi> Lachesis: yeah, I know. I did that before. I just forgot this time.
3037 2011-02-17 22:21:09 <Lachesis> kk no biggie
3038 2011-02-17 22:24:25 <molecular> "<UukGoblin> ArtForz, also, what's the progress on ASICs? :-]" says it all: progressing
3039 2011-02-17 22:24:41 <molecular> well, the lack of answer from ArtForz I mean
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3041 2011-02-17 22:26:45 <molecular> hey dirtyfilthy
3042 2011-02-17 22:26:49 <molecular> been looking for you
3043 2011-02-17 22:26:59 <molecular> I'm trying to build bitcoin-wallet
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3046 2011-02-17 22:34:46 <carnage_> is there a way to make it so the client doesn't use %App
3047 2011-02-17 22:35:08 <carnage_> %AppData%
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3050 2011-02-17 22:41:36 <xelister> btw is testnet getting reseted?
3051 2011-02-17 22:42:43 <bk128> UukGoblin: he got like 6 or 8 of the asics going
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3053 2011-02-17 22:47:54 <Lachesis> hey, the m0mchill client keeps locking up and making me reboot
3054 2011-02-17 22:49:07 <validus> more than likely a software error other than the client
3055 2011-02-17 22:49:18 <Lachesis> diablo runs fine, but really really slowly
3056 2011-02-17 22:49:31 <jellox> So I've asked before but no one knew. Does anyone run two 5970
3057 2011-02-17 22:49:37 <jellox> 's on windows 7 64?
3058 2011-02-17 22:49:41 <validus> and also depends if your setting it on cpu or gpu, it could just be overstressin the cpu
3059 2011-02-17 22:49:58 <Lachesis> validus, it's on GPU, with stock settings
3060 2011-02-17 22:49:59 <foucist> jellox: i imagine so
3061 2011-02-17 22:50:10 <validus> prob something with hardware or software then
3062 2011-02-17 22:50:21 <Lachesis> validus, it's not crashing the computer, just freezing and making me reboot
3063 2011-02-17 22:50:22 <validus> unless yours is a special case. on the forums i know theres lot
3064 2011-02-17 22:50:23 <Lachesis> b/c it goes defunct
3065 2011-02-17 22:50:38 <jellox> I've got two installed. Device manager sees them, but I cant access them through the miner
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3067 2011-02-17 22:51:08 <jellox> device 0,1 both work, device 2,3 rob hashing from 0 and 1.
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3071 2011-02-17 22:52:25 <validus> sounds like their trying to use the same core, did you specify the thread
3072 2011-02-17 22:52:26 <validus> threads*
3073 2011-02-17 22:52:29 <Lachesis> validus, yeah
3074 2011-02-17 22:52:36 <Lachesis> rebooting again and gonna try now
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3078 2011-02-17 22:56:48 <jellox> validus; if your talking to me, yes I did. Thread 3 still uses the same core as thread 1 for some reason.
3079 2011-02-17 22:57:19 <validus> play around with it , instead of setting 2 threads set 4 with teh thread option
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3081 2011-02-17 22:57:36 <validus> see if it does it like that. it sounds like if you gave it the thread flag of 2 its wanting to use the same for both cards
3082 2011-02-17 22:58:01 <validus> i dont know if all that is correct terminology wise. but it makes sense to me anyways lol
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3085 2011-02-17 23:00:34 <jellox> validus: the miner i am using only uses a single thread
3086 2011-02-17 23:00:49 <jellox> so I have to do multiple instances and define a thread for each
3087 2011-02-17 23:00:55 <validus> should be a thread flag
3088 2011-02-17 23:01:01 <validus> type the name of the program with a -help after it
3089 2011-02-17 23:01:25 <validus> im not super familiar with all the programs but i know ive seen thread flags
3090 2011-02-17 23:01:48 <Lachesis> when i run any of the OpenCL miners, they use all of my cpu (load's at like 6.3) and lock up
3091 2011-02-17 23:01:52 <Lachesis> esp. if i try to kill them
3092 2011-02-17 23:02:00 <validus> if its on single then its reading the 1st core of both cards and when the other turns on it goes into that core since its not specified
3093 2011-02-17 23:02:14 <validus> or its already split between the 2 off of 1 card. hard to say
3094 2011-02-17 23:02:29 <validus> either way you need to tell it to use the # of threads
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3096 2011-02-17 23:02:57 <validus> i hope you get it working. i really gotta get this work done
3097 2011-02-17 23:02:57 <jellox> i use -t to specifiy my thread
3098 2011-02-17 23:03:06 <jellox> thanks man. have fun.
3099 2011-02-17 23:03:08 <validus> ya 1 is 1 2 is 2 3 is 3 4 is 4
3100 2011-02-17 23:03:09 <validus> so on and so forth
3101 2011-02-17 23:03:18 <jellox> right.
3102 2011-02-17 23:03:24 <jellox> its jsut not showing up.. rrr
3103 2011-02-17 23:03:50 <validus> the forums might have something if you search for multiple threads or something not really sure
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3107 2011-02-17 23:04:59 <jellox> I think its a problem withthe ati drivers and windows. From what I hear you cant do it inwin7
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3113 2011-02-17 23:09:10 <cosurgi> some guy in Poland has a shop with car parts and is accepting BTCs. When my car will break, I'll fix it with BTC !
3114 2011-02-17 23:09:17 <cosurgi> http://bitcoin.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=93
3115 2011-02-17 23:09:23 <cosurgi> that's in polish
3116 2011-02-17 23:09:42 <cosurgi> http://muffler.pl/
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3118 2011-02-17 23:11:47 <Lachesis> is anyone else having trouble with Xorg CPU usage and load going crazy when running an OpenCL client?
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3129 2011-02-17 23:24:09 <ntosme2> I think I successfully modified pocbm to use multiple devices correctly
3130 2011-02-17 23:26:53 <molecular> ntosme2 rulez, that's a nice feature for poclbm
3131 2011-02-17 23:27:01 <the-erm1> I'm sorry I'm confused. I'm wasting a bunch of bandwidth & cpu usage to generate what?
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3133 2011-02-17 23:27:26 <Necr0s> It is what you make it to be.
3134 2011-02-17 23:27:34 <Necr0s> Perception shapes the matter.
3135 2011-02-17 23:27:38 <Necr0s> So it is with all currencies.
3136 2011-02-17 23:27:41 <molecular> the-erm1, you generate expectation
3137 2011-02-17 23:27:43 <ntosme2> molecular: I'm making sure now
3138 2011-02-17 23:27:55 <Necr0s> bah
3139 2011-02-17 23:27:57 <molecular> ntosme2, make sure what?
3140 2011-02-17 23:28:04 <Necr0s> that was almost a spontaneious haiku.
3141 2011-02-17 23:28:15 <Necr0s> and the character lenghts lines up and all too.
3142 2011-02-17 23:28:26 <ntosme2> molecular: that the rate it's printing is for both GPUs I have
3143 2011-02-17 23:28:33 <molecular> Necr0s, give me some of what you took
3144 2011-02-17 23:28:47 <Necr0s> lol
3145 2011-02-17 23:28:59 <molecular> ntosme2, that doesn't sound to reassuring.
3146 2011-02-17 23:29:26 <molecular> can BitX be extended to transfer drugs?
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3148 2011-02-17 23:29:39 <molecular> ntosme2, *too
3149 2011-02-17 23:30:14 <molecular> ntosme2, I tried to fix the jumpy hashmeter in DiabloMiner... failed so far
3150 2011-02-17 23:32:00 <ntosme2> molecular: rats, it's not threading how I expected...false alarm
3151 2011-02-17 23:32:09 <Necr0s> Maybe it is truly jumpy and it's not the meter that's broke? ;)
3152 2011-02-17 23:34:15 <da2ce7> ;;cb,stats
3153 2011-02-17 23:34:16 <gribble> Error: "cb,stats" is not a valid command.
3154 2011-02-17 23:34:23 <da2ce7> ;;bc,stats
3155 2011-02-17 23:34:25 <gribble> Current Blocks: 108807 | Current Difficulty: 25997.87992881 | Next Difficulty At Block: 108863 | Next Difficulty In: 56 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 hours, 6 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36218.83388709
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3157 2011-02-17 23:38:35 <jellox> how do I compare that dificulty to my hash rate?
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3159 2011-02-17 23:39:08 <citiz3n> is m0mchil's miner still the favorite for windows?
3160 2011-02-17 23:39:30 <Lachesis> nullvoid has been down a while
3161 2011-02-17 23:39:35 <Lachesis> anywhere else to get those bitcoin stats pages?
3162 2011-02-17 23:39:55 <Necr0s> It works pretty well for me om w7, so I've not tried any others.
3163 2011-02-17 23:40:01 <jellox> wolfram alpha had a widget but I cant find it now
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3170 2011-02-17 23:43:37 <Lachesis> ;;seen keefe
3171 2011-02-17 23:43:37 <gribble> keefe was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 13 hours, 41 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <Keefe> D*2^32/600 hash/s
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3174 2011-02-17 23:45:32 <foucist> why is ArtForz's custom chips so effective at hashing?
3175 2011-02-17 23:45:48 <foucist> they dont have "3200" stream processors do they? :P
3176 2011-02-17 23:46:00 <foucist> what exactly are they doing?
3177 2011-02-17 23:46:10 <foucist> specialized sha256 hashing?
3178 2011-02-17 23:46:17 <bk128> foucist: exactly
3179 2011-02-17 23:46:32 <bk128> the less versatile a chip, the faster it is at what it does, usually
3180 2011-02-17 23:47:19 <bk128> foucist: it's actually slower than a lot of video cards. 200Mhash/sec
3181 2011-02-17 23:47:20 <molecular> as far as I know ArtForz has the 2 hash-loops unrolled and at least some kind of H==0 checking on the asics
3182 2011-02-17 23:47:22 <bk128> but it uses 1/10 power
3183 2011-02-17 23:47:35 <molecular> that makes one hash per cylce
3184 2011-02-17 23:47:43 <molecular> 200Mhz = 200M#/s
3185 2011-02-17 23:47:57 <molecular> *clock cycle
3186 2011-02-17 23:48:07 <Necr0s> and it consumes 20w of power iirc.
3187 2011-02-17 23:48:10 <molecular> 8W
3188 2011-02-17 23:48:15 <Necr0s> nice
3189 2011-02-17 23:48:16 <bk128> True asics will come out if bitcoin takes off
3190 2011-02-17 23:48:24 <molecular> True?
3191 2011-02-17 23:48:29 <andrew12> False
3192 2011-02-17 23:48:35 <Necr0s> ah the lulz
3193 2011-02-17 23:48:37 <foucist> dedicated bitcoin mining chips = "true asics"
3194 2011-02-17 23:48:37 <Necr0s> interesting times
3195 2011-02-17 23:48:55 <foucist> so are these hashing chips gonna be completely useless for other purposes?
3196 2011-02-17 23:48:57 <molecular> ArtForz's chips are dedicated mining chips = "true"
3197 2011-02-17 23:49:00 <Necr0s> Come on QPUs.
3198 2011-02-17 23:49:05 <molecular> no
3199 2011-02-17 23:49:11 <foucist> are they gonna be any good for any other distributed computing applications?
3200 2011-02-17 23:49:11 <molecular> you can still do sha256
3201 2011-02-17 23:49:15 <molecular> x2
3202 2011-02-17 23:49:16 <Necr0s> The die is not specific to bc.
3203 2011-02-17 23:49:16 <molecular> ?
3204 2011-02-17 23:49:19 <jgarzik> :)
3205 2011-02-17 23:49:27 <andrew12> well how do you make an asic? let
3206 2011-02-17 23:49:27 <foucist> Necr0s: yeah but just wondering about the general usefulness
3207 2011-02-17 23:49:31 <andrew12> well how do you make an asic? let's get started on this!
3208 2011-02-17 23:49:44 <foucist> andrew12: well ArtForz has invested $50k into it, he's working on it
3209 2011-02-17 23:49:50 <andrew12> heh
3210 2011-02-17 23:49:51 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, did you make true dedicated mining chips, or just sha256 accelerators?
3211 2011-02-17 23:49:52 <jgarzik> andrew12: Step 1: raise $500,000
3212 2011-02-17 23:49:58 <molecular> andrew12, what are you up to?
3213 2011-02-17 23:50:07 <andrew12> molecular: what?
3214 2011-02-17 23:50:13 <Necr0s> step 3: profit!
3215 2011-02-17 23:50:17 <jgarzik> andrew12: or 500,000 BTC
3216 2011-02-17 23:50:28 <foucist> molecular: so there's 2 hash-loops unroleld and implemented at the hardware level in circuits or some such?
3217 2011-02-17 23:50:33 <ArtForz> they're a bit of both
3218 2011-02-17 23:50:35 <molecular> do you really want to know how to make an asic, andrew12 ?
3219 2011-02-17 23:50:40 <foucist> molecular: what do you mean by H==0
3220 2011-02-17 23:50:40 <andrew12> molecular: yes
3221 2011-02-17 23:50:42 <ArtForz> second block is bitcoin-only
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3223 2011-02-17 23:50:51 <molecular> ok, I will give you my picture, andrew12
3224 2011-02-17 23:50:58 <Necr0s> Man, when I think about the underpants gnomes, bitcoin kinda takes on an errie parallel, don 'cha think?
3225 2011-02-17 23:51:09 <ArtForz> first block can be run standalone as a normal sha256 engine or do pbkdf2-sha256
3226 2011-02-17 23:51:12 <molecular> andrew12, 1.) you make vhdl description of your stuff
3227 2011-02-17 23:51:20 <foucist> ArtForz: are the two blocks controlled by software? how do you hook up the chips to a computer anyways?
3228 2011-02-17 23:51:31 <molecular> andrew12, 2.) you send this to some company that produces your asic
3229 2011-02-17 23:51:38 <jgarzik> satoshi invented the ultimate pyramid scheme: one whose inner workings are completely open for all to see and inspect :)
3230 2011-02-17 23:52:02 <ArtForz> high-speed synchronous serial bus to FPGA, which connects via USB to PC
3231 2011-02-17 23:52:03 <foucist> jgarzik: where's the pyramid? pyramid of effort?
3232 2011-02-17 23:52:15 <molecular> foucist, H==0: H is lest least significant 32-bit-value of the hash. if that is ==0 we have found difficulty 1 block
3233 2011-02-17 23:52:31 <Necr0s> HSSI
3234 2011-02-17 23:52:34 <Necr0s> v.35 baby
3235 2011-02-17 23:52:36 <ArtForz> right now I only implemented H==0 mode
3236 2011-02-17 23:53:01 <Necr0s> I used to have one of those interfaces on a PCI card.
3237 2011-02-17 23:53:02 <molecular> ArtForz, ha: I knew you would put a bypass after 1st round somehow
3238 2011-02-17 23:53:26 <ArtForz> yeah, pretty much just a bunch more muxes and registers
3239 2011-02-17 23:53:27 <foucist> ArtForz: do you have a write up anywere? like on the forum?
3240 2011-02-17 23:53:31 <foucist> ArtForz: i just want to sit down and study this
3241 2011-02-17 23:53:39 <ArtForz> had some space left over and it didnt affect speed
3242 2011-02-17 23:53:41 <andrew12> someone should make something to take VHDL of something and design it in minecraft
3243 2011-02-17 23:53:45 <andrew12> :D
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3246 2011-02-17 23:54:17 <molecular> so the answer is: ArtForz's silicon can be used for other-than-bitcoin-stuff, too
3247 2011-02-17 23:54:21 <ArtForz> yep
3248 2011-02-17 23:54:36 <foucist> would it be in demand for other DC applications?
3249 2011-02-17 23:54:43 <ArtForz> now if only soemone actually used pbkdf2-sha256 for anything ...
3250 2011-02-17 23:54:48 <ArtForz> unlikely
3251 2011-02-17 23:54:53 <molecular> the bitcoin-stuff will remain most profitable for ArtForz's chips for quite a long while, though
3252 2011-02-17 23:54:53 <foucist> how much of DC on GPUs is actually hashing?
3253 2011-02-17 23:55:00 <jgarzik> ArtForz: did you buy (or write) your own USB IP core, or did the people making the structured ASIC supply some sort of USB library that you had to use? (reason I'm asking: I was looking at opencores sha256 and usb stuff today...)
3254 2011-02-17 23:55:00 <foucist> molecular: yeah
3255 2011-02-17 23:55:19 * jgarzik has no idea about post-VHDL-simulation part of the process
3256 2011-02-17 23:55:20 <ArtForz> I'm using the opencores usb full speed core
3257 2011-02-17 23:55:35 <ArtForz> and the ASIC doesnt talk USB
3258 2011-02-17 23:55:38 <ArtForz> the FPGA does
3259 2011-02-17 23:56:04 <ArtForz> FPGA is connected to each ASIC with a simple synchronous serial bus
3260 2011-02-17 23:56:09 <molecular> andrew12, the minecraft-thing again, really?
3261 2011-02-17 23:56:35 <jgarzik> ArtForz: N asic to 1 FPGA?
3262 2011-02-17 23:56:39 <ArtForz> 8 to 1
3263 2011-02-17 23:56:39 <jgarzik> multipl buses?
3264 2011-02-17 23:56:44 <ArtForz> yep
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3266 2011-02-17 23:56:52 <ArtForz> each ASIC is on its own link
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3268 2011-02-17 23:57:16 <Necr0s> What kind of data rate do you expect on usb if it's equipped with 8 asics?
3269 2011-02-17 23:57:31 <ArtForz> about 100 byte/sec
3270 2011-02-17 23:57:43 <andrew12> molecular: :D
3271 2011-02-17 23:57:54 <molecular> :)
3272 2011-02-17 23:57:56 <jgarzik> bitcoin mining is not exactly data intensive
3273 2011-02-17 23:58:04 <Necr0s> How frequently do you expect each asic to need to exchange data?
3274 2011-02-17 23:58:23 <ArtForz> well, they send found H==0 nonces back automagically
3275 2011-02-17 23:58:37 <andrew12> yay magic
3276 2011-02-17 23:58:42 <Necr0s> And does the exchange happen with the fpgs where things are buffered, or is it a straight pass-thru to software on the host?
3277 2011-02-17 23:58:52 <ArtForz> FPGA acts as controller
3278 2011-02-17 23:59:11 <ArtForz> software just sends a block header and gets a block of nonces for the last block header in return
3279 2011-02-17 23:59:31 <andrew12> heh
3280 2011-02-17 23:59:50 <andrew12> it'd be interesting if you could make a bitcoin miner that you just plug into a usb port
3281 2011-02-17 23:59:56 <ArtForz> libusb = teh awesome