1 2011-02-19 00:00:47 <LtBrenton> guys, does slush come here?
   2 2011-02-19 00:00:50 <ArtForz> yes
   3 2011-02-19 00:01:07 <ArtForz> note the shenaginas they pulled with 5770s: http://www.overclock.net/ati/705075-how-tell-ati-5xxx-reference-card.html
   4 2011-02-19 00:01:22 <LtBrenton> looking to get let onto the mining pool :P
   5 2011-02-19 00:01:42 <ArtForz> ;;seen slush
   6 2011-02-19 00:01:42 <gribble> slush was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 16 hours, 11 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <slush> ok
   7 2011-02-19 00:03:00 <bk128-Droid> The xfx 5870 I just got has 2 crossfire connectors
   8 2011-02-19 00:03:08 <ArtForz> 5870 != 5770
   9 2011-02-19 00:03:19 <bk128-Droid> Right.
  10 2011-02-19 00:03:40 <bk128-Droid> Does have fan in the middle though
  11 2011-02-19 00:04:32 <[Tycho]> Stock profile don't keeps temperature in pleasant range
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  13 2011-02-19 00:05:06 <bk128-Droid> Stock profiles run hotter?
  14 2011-02-19 00:05:12 <ArtForz> yes
  15 2011-02-19 00:05:27 <[Tycho]> Hmm... May be it's time to start a new pool :)
  16 2011-02-19 00:05:38 <bk128-Droid> So ATI can sell more chips?
  17 2011-02-19 00:05:43 <ArtForz> most people prefer high GPU temps over deafening fan noise
  18 2011-02-19 00:05:52 <ArtForz> *normal people
  19 2011-02-19 00:06:30 <bk128-Droid> Aren't squirrel cage fans better though?
  20 2011-02-19 00:06:31 <dstufft> [Tycho]: i'm trying to get some pool software setup, based on jgarzik's released gpl code lol, well will be once things settle down here and i can sit down for some time
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  23 2011-02-19 00:07:00 <[Tycho]> I'm running 5970 at 770 Mhz now... Not sure how much i should OC it with ref cooler and no overvoltage.
  24 2011-02-19 00:07:27 <[Tycho]> dstufft, i'll start new pool tomorrow on my own code.
  25 2011-02-19 00:07:58 <ArtForz> I push mine as far as they'll go, keeping core temp at 75-77°C
  26 2011-02-19 00:07:59 <bk128-Droid> I have to work on a good fan system.
  27 2011-02-19 00:08:04 <[Tycho]> Today we have more demand, but it's not debugged yet.
  28 2011-02-19 00:08:09 <dstufft> [Tycho]: you have pool code? I'm probably going to rewrite this one to run on tornado or cherrypy or something
  29 2011-02-19 00:08:29 <bk128-Droid> Art.: do you use pid for your fans?
  30 2011-02-19 00:08:57 <ArtForz> yea
  31 2011-02-19 00:09:17 <[Tycho]> Yes, i have pool code, but not ossm. Currently working on web interface.
  32 2011-02-19 00:09:34 <[Tycho]> ArtForz, what gpu frequency ?
  33 2011-02-19 00:09:37 <dstufft> ah
  34 2011-02-19 00:10:04 <ArtForz> average about 840
  35 2011-02-19 00:10:38 <[Tycho]> Wow, that's high.
  36 2011-02-19 00:11:04 <bk128-Droid> I have no idea how to do PID control.  Is there code out there or did you write it all?
  37 2011-02-19 00:11:15 <ArtForz> I pasted the code a while ago
  38 2011-02-19 00:11:23 <ArtForz> and someone improved it a bit
  39 2011-02-19 00:11:41 <bk128-Droid> Still have it?
  40 2011-02-19 00:12:46 <ArtForz> http://pastebin.com/STAF2VZ7
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  43 2011-02-19 00:13:57 <ArtForz> it's tuned to ramp rather slowly and has some code to force 100% fanspeed on exceeding target + 5°C
  44 2011-02-19 00:14:37 <ArtForz> iirc the improvement was "if speed < 30% and temp > target - 5°C, set 100% speed"
  45 2011-02-19 00:15:01 <ArtForz> that way it pretty much doesn't overshoot on idle -> full load
  46 2011-02-19 00:15:47 <ArtForz> can take a few min to settle on a 5970, that card has a lot of thermal mass
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  63 2011-02-19 00:43:51 <andrew12> hm
  64 2011-02-19 00:43:54 <andrew12> theymos isn't here :}
  65 2011-02-19 00:43:56 <andrew12> :|*
  66 2011-02-19 00:44:22 <andrew12> any idea what the units of http://blockexplorer.com/q/avgtxsize and http://blockexplorer.com/q/avgblocksize are?
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  68 2011-02-19 00:45:55 <hacim> boy my pool mining payout is on a disturbing downward trend
  69 2011-02-19 00:46:15 <andrew12> hacim: disturbing?
  70 2011-02-19 00:46:23 <hacim> i went from 12, when it should have been 15, down to 9 on seven day moving average
  71 2011-02-19 00:46:54 <andrew12> hacim: it's probably because of the huge popularity recently.
  72 2011-02-19 00:47:27 <hacim> did something happen between the 10th and the 11th that caused a really large change?
  73 2011-02-19 00:48:06 <andrew12> I don't remember when exactly but they were talking about Bitcoin on SecurityNow a few days ago.
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  75 2011-02-19 00:48:33 <jgarzik> andrew12: bytes, I'd guess, from looking at the size column of http://blockexplorer.com/
  76 2011-02-19 00:48:42 <andrew12> jgarzik: thanks
  77 2011-02-19 00:48:52 <andrew12> theymos needs to add that info there >_<
  78 2011-02-19 00:49:00 <andrew12> on http://blockexplorer.com/q, that is
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  97 2011-02-19 01:10:40 <mmarker> Grr. Do not like coming home to the box with dhcp/dns not working...since the root FS just exploded
  98 2011-02-19 01:12:18 <TheKid> mmarker: ouch
  99 2011-02-19 01:12:59 <mmarker> Well, plus side. Wallet isn't anywhere NEAR there, but it did shut down my mining operation, since everyone lost DNS and then their IP
 100 2011-02-19 01:13:13 <mmarker> IPv6 worked perfectly. HINT HINT HINT people! :D
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 102 2011-02-19 01:14:14 <mmarker> However, this has put a damper on my android coding
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 121 2011-02-19 01:48:49 <necrodearia> andrew12, nullvoid.org is mine, yes  ohnoes, is it down?
 122 2011-02-19 01:48:57 <andrew12> necrodearia: yes. :P
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 126 2011-02-19 01:49:01 <necrodearia> it's up now
 127 2011-02-19 01:49:08 <andrew12> wewt
 128 2011-02-19 01:49:12 <necrodearia> [Tycho], It's back up now ^_^
 129 2011-02-19 01:49:50 <andrew12> hm
 130 2011-02-19 01:49:58 <necrodearia> andrew12, What about it is useful?
 131 2011-02-19 01:50:01 <andrew12> chrome doesn't let me scroll on it for some reason
 132 2011-02-19 01:50:16 <[Tycho]> Thanks.
 133 2011-02-19 01:50:17 <necrodearia> I thought there were alternative sites that provided the same information already.
 134 2011-02-19 01:50:24 <andrew12> necrodearia: not like this
 135 2011-02-19 01:50:27 <andrew12> http://nullvoid.org/bitcoin/graphs/flot/blocks.php?l=1000
 136 2011-02-19 01:50:33 <necrodearia> mm
 137 2011-02-19 01:50:57 <andrew12> why isnt chrome letting me scroll :|
 138 2011-02-19 01:51:06 <andrew12> http://cl.ly/4iKk
 139 2011-02-19 01:51:10 <andrew12> where teh scroll bar
 140 2011-02-19 01:51:28 <TheKid> there isn't meant to be one
 141 2011-02-19 01:51:28 <necrodearia> hmm
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 143 2011-02-19 01:51:30 <TheKid> I don't think
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 148 2011-02-19 01:51:33 <TheKid> what am I looking at?
 149 2011-02-19 01:51:36 <Diablo-D3> "It turned out that the small bump was the tip of the horn of a concealed yak. [...] I think Simon Cozens wasn't completely correct. It's not a regular Jenga tower.  The perl internals are a Jenga tower made of yaks."
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 151 2011-02-19 01:54:17 <andrew12> necrodearia: could you make some sort of api for the block durations/moving averages
 152 2011-02-19 01:54:20 <andrew12> ?
 153 2011-02-19 01:54:54 <andrew12> i wanna make something so i can see all the block data for the last x blocks in 1 graph
 154 2011-02-19 01:55:00 <andrew12> rather than a moving one
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 157 2011-02-19 01:57:16 <jgarzik> slushpool:  current round duration, 3 hours
 158 2011-02-19 01:57:27 <jgarzik> getwork/sec down from 800/sec to 500/sec
 159 2011-02-19 01:59:31 <[Tycho]> Long one.
 160 2011-02-19 02:00:03 <[Tycho]> BitPenny really helps :)
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 162 2011-02-19 02:05:08 <Mango-chan> lol
 163 2011-02-19 02:05:11 <Mango-chan> unlocked my 6950
 164 2011-02-19 02:05:12 <Mango-chan> 330mhash/s
 165 2011-02-19 02:05:18 <Mango-chan> yeaah 8)
 166 2011-02-19 02:05:26 <TheKid> nice
 167 2011-02-19 02:05:34 <TheKid> I get that much on an overclocked 5870
 168 2011-02-19 02:05:36 <TheKid> :P
 169 2011-02-19 02:05:45 <Diablo-D3> Goddamnit.
 170 2011-02-19 02:05:52 <Diablo-D3> I've now found 5 blocks for slush.
 171 2011-02-19 02:06:04 <TheKid> haha
 172 2011-02-19 02:06:10 <TheKid> I've found 13 I believe
 173 2011-02-19 02:06:12 <Diablo-D3> the pool has not paid me 250 btc in return.
 174 2011-02-19 02:06:20 <TheKid> 14 sorry
 175 2011-02-19 02:06:30 <OneFixt> Diablo-D3: come mine for BitPenny
 176 2011-02-19 02:06:34 <TheKid> I've gotten my coins worth I believe
 177 2011-02-19 02:06:37 <OneFixt> it won't tell you what you find or don't find ;)
 178 2011-02-19 02:06:37 <Mango-chan> Diablo-D3
 179 2011-02-19 02:06:37 <Diablo-D3> bitpenny is dead though
 180 2011-02-19 02:06:46 <OneFixt> i can add your ip to the old server
 181 2011-02-19 02:06:52 <Mango-chan> i've found
 182 2011-02-19 02:06:55 <Mango-chan> 10 blocks for him
 183 2011-02-19 02:06:55 <Mango-chan> :<
 184 2011-02-19 02:06:56 <Mango-chan> lol
 185 2011-02-19 02:07:17 <necrodearia> andrew12, What kind of api?
 186 2011-02-19 02:07:21 <Mango-chan> 3 	337 	2775339.8762 	2011-02-19 01:59:15 	Edit | Delete
 187 2011-02-19 02:07:21 <Mango-chan> 0 	0 	0.0000 	2011-02-11 18:28:35 	Edit | Delete
 188 2011-02-19 02:07:21 <Mango-chan> 2 	386 	3653459.3332 	2011-02-19 01:59:39 	Edit | Delete
 189 2011-02-19 02:07:21 <Mango-chan> 5 	593 	2320142.0498 	2011-02-19 01:59:26 	Edit | Delete
 190 2011-02-19 02:07:46 <Mango-chan> TheKid what are you minig with
 191 2011-02-19 02:08:07 <andrew12> necrodearia: just one that gives me a bunch of json data
 192 2011-02-19 02:08:09 <Mango-chan> Current round duration:	3:24:19
 193 2011-02-19 02:08:10 <Mango-chan> lol
 194 2011-02-19 02:08:17 <Syke> Mango-chan, 330 mhps sounds really high, how high did you overclock it?
 195 2011-02-19 02:08:19 <Mango-chan> feels bad man
 196 2011-02-19 02:08:26 <Mango-chan> i unlocked the shaders
 197 2011-02-19 02:08:34 <Mango-chan> and overclocked it by 70mhz
 198 2011-02-19 02:08:36 <Mango-chan> not a lot
 199 2011-02-19 02:08:41 <Mango-chan> jumped from 277m -> 330m
 200 2011-02-19 02:08:51 <andrew12> Syke: 500 mhps is really high
 201 2011-02-19 02:08:53 <andrew12> :p
 202 2011-02-19 02:09:27 <Syke> high for a 6950
 203 2011-02-19 02:09:34 <TheKid> Mango-chan: a 5870 and a 5770 currently
 204 2011-02-19 02:09:39 <Mango-chan> i'm curerntly minng at a rate of 830mhash/s
 205 2011-02-19 02:09:45 <Mango-chan> free electricity
 206 2011-02-19 02:09:50 <Mango-chan> already bought my first 5870
 207 2011-02-19 02:09:52 <Mango-chan> from bitcoin $$
 208 2011-02-19 02:10:08 <TheKid> cool
 209 2011-02-19 02:10:15 <Mango-chan> BELIEVE IN ME
 210 2011-02-19 02:10:16 <TheKid> where do you get free electricity?
 211 2011-02-19 02:10:18 <Mango-chan> WHO BELIEVES IN BITCOINS
 212 2011-02-19 02:10:19 <TheKid> I want in!
 213 2011-02-19 02:10:20 <Mango-chan> lol college dorm
 214 2011-02-19 02:10:23 <Mango-chan> "free"
 215 2011-02-19 02:10:58 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,blocks
 216 2011-02-19 02:10:59 <gribble> 109039
 217 2011-02-19 02:12:37 <TheKid> yeah
 218 2011-02-19 02:12:46 <Diablo-D3> so
 219 2011-02-19 02:12:46 <TheKid> I'm currently paying electricity back to my grandparents
 220 2011-02-19 02:12:50 <Diablo-D3> I have gotten
 221 2011-02-19 02:12:52 <Diablo-D3> from the pool
 222 2011-02-19 02:12:57 <TheKid> but when I go to college I'm gonna use all the goddamn electricity
 223 2011-02-19 02:12:59 <TheKid> I swear to god
 224 2011-02-19 02:13:11 <Diablo-D3> 139.
 225 2011-02-19 02:13:19 <Diablo-D3> the pool owes me 111
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 227 2011-02-19 02:13:32 <midnightmagic> you will usually have to pay your own electricity bill dude. :)
 228 2011-02-19 02:13:37 <presence> anyone getting lots of invalid or stale hashes with poclbm?
 229 2011-02-19 02:13:48 <Diablo-D3> presence: multiple gpus?
 230 2011-02-19 02:14:01 <TheKid> presence: yeah I do
 231 2011-02-19 02:14:12 <Diablo-D3> because it sounds like you forgot to turn crossfire off.
 232 2011-02-19 02:14:13 <presence> I have 1 gpu in each machine
 233 2011-02-19 02:14:16 <TheKid> midnightmagic: what do you mean
 234 2011-02-19 02:14:24 <Diablo-D3> presence: locally or via pool?
 235 2011-02-19 02:14:27 <presence> pool
 236 2011-02-19 02:14:29 <Mango-chan> [18:06:10] <presence> anyone getting lots of invalid or stale hashes with poclbm? <- pool
 237 2011-02-19 02:14:42 <Mango-chan> it's like
 238 2011-02-19 02:14:45 <Mango-chan> every other 2
 239 2011-02-19 02:14:47 <Mango-chan> but it doesn't matter
 240 2011-02-19 02:14:54 <Diablo-D3> meh thats just douchenuts fucking with the pool
 241 2011-02-19 02:14:56 <TheKid> not every other 2 for me
 242 2011-02-19 02:14:57 <presence> its weird too my windows box gets buttloads more hashes than my linux box with the same card
 243 2011-02-19 02:15:04 <Diablo-D3> [2/18/11 8:45:43 PM] ERROR: Can't connect to Bitcoin: Connection timed out
 244 2011-02-19 02:15:04 <Diablo-D3> [2/18/11 8:49:48 PM] ERROR: Can't connect to Bitcoin: Connection timed out
 245 2011-02-19 02:15:04 <Diablo-D3> [2/18/11 8:51:38 PM] Block 9 found on ATI RV770 (#1)
 246 2011-02-19 02:15:04 <Diablo-D3> [2/18/11 8:51:51 PM] ERROR: Can't connect to Bitcoin: Connection timed out
 247 2011-02-19 02:15:05 <Diablo-D3> etc etc
 248 2011-02-19 02:15:16 <JFK911> presence: Thats how it goes
 249 2011-02-19 02:15:18 <JFK911> Linux is crap
 250 2011-02-19 02:15:30 <Diablo-D3> you know what
 251 2011-02-19 02:15:30 <JFK911> Windows #1
 252 2011-02-19 02:15:32 <Mango-chan> i think the pool is being overloaded
 253 2011-02-19 02:15:32 <Mango-chan> lol
 254 2011-02-19 02:15:33 <JFK911> I get more hashes in Windows
 255 2011-02-19 02:15:34 <Diablo-D3> be happy I dont have ops here
 256 2011-02-19 02:15:46 <presence> I get like 5 hashes/min windows and 1 hash every 2 mins with linux
 257 2011-02-19 02:15:52 <Mango-chan> Diablo-D3 are you a neckbeard
 258 2011-02-19 02:16:01 <Diablo-D3> Mango-chan: nope.
 259 2011-02-19 02:16:04 <Diablo-D3> I am an RMS beard.
 260 2011-02-19 02:16:05 <JFK911> Diablo-D3: Did you just threaten to operator abuse me :(
 261 2011-02-19 02:16:15 <Diablo-D3> JFK911: threaten? no. promise? very much.
 262 2011-02-19 02:16:17 <presence> so invalid/stale just means  the pool is hosed they still count or they dont?
 263 2011-02-19 02:16:23 <Mango-chan> window > linux in a decent amount of situation
 264 2011-02-19 02:16:24 <Diablo-D3> presence: they dont
 265 2011-02-19 02:16:25 <JFK911> rude!!
 266 2011-02-19 02:16:29 <Mango-chan> +s
 267 2011-02-19 02:16:38 <Mango-chan> gotta love microsoft
 268 2011-02-19 02:16:38 <presence> hmm
 269 2011-02-19 02:16:40 <Mango-chan> and bill gates
 270 2011-02-19 02:16:45 <Diablo-D3> er
 271 2011-02-19 02:16:46 <Diablo-D3> you do realize
 272 2011-02-19 02:16:52 <Diablo-D3> nutch develops in java on linux, right?
 273 2011-02-19 02:16:55 <JFK911> Well F Bill Gates, I just like Windows because hashes go faster
 274 2011-02-19 02:17:00 <Diablo-D3> and minecraft uses lwjgl... which so does my miner.
 275 2011-02-19 02:17:29 <TheKid> I like windows because it works and plays games
 276 2011-02-19 02:17:40 <Slix`> Mango-chan, it's probably because video drivers are more supported on Windows.
 277 2011-02-19 02:17:45 <Slix`> I'd assume so anyway.
 278 2011-02-19 02:17:48 <Mango-chan> minecraft is a game for aspies
 279 2011-02-19 02:18:01 <[Tycho]> I like windows too. Especially windows 2000
 280 2011-02-19 02:18:12 <JFK911> Games are a waste of time.  You can run Quicken in Windows.  And then mine while you aren't in Quicken.  Linux can't even run Quicken!!
 281 2011-02-19 02:18:13 <presence> math should work the same on the two systems
 282 2011-02-19 02:18:13 * Kiba ponders about fundraising a project for a sandbox gmae
 283 2011-02-19 02:18:16 <Kiba> s/gmae/game
 284 2011-02-19 02:18:27 <presence> it doesnt make sense that windows gets 5x the hashrate but the same khash/s
 285 2011-02-19 02:18:43 <Slix`> presence, Oh.. THAT doesn't make sense at all.
 286 2011-02-19 02:18:49 <Mango-chan> lol
 287 2011-02-19 02:18:55 <Mango-chan> drivers
 288 2011-02-19 02:19:08 <presence> 15 compared to 5 in the same period
 289 2011-02-19 02:19:12 <presence> so its 3x
 290 2011-02-19 02:19:13 <Mango-chan> any mechanical keyboard users here
 291 2011-02-19 02:19:25 <Diablo-D3> uh
 292 2011-02-19 02:19:26 <Diablo-D3> 15x?
 293 2011-02-19 02:19:27 <dstufft> will an rpc client only send getwork() with params if it solved a hash?
 294 2011-02-19 02:19:28 <Diablo-D3> bullshit.
 295 2011-02-19 02:19:32 <Diablo-D3> it sounds like you did shit wrong
 296 2011-02-19 02:19:34 <JFK911> Mango-chan: Cherry G80!!!
 297 2011-02-19 02:19:41 <Mango-chan> i paid 280$ for a topre
 298 2011-02-19 02:19:44 <JFK911> Haha
 299 2011-02-19 02:19:45 <Mango-chan> i do not regret this
 300 2011-02-19 02:19:46 <JFK911> Oops
 301 2011-02-19 02:19:50 <Diablo-D3> as usually: do not use anything but 10.10 or 10.11, do not use sdk 2.1
 302 2011-02-19 02:19:51 <Diablo-D3> er
 303 2011-02-19 02:19:51 <presence> one box is 328M the other is 321M (the 32
 304 2011-02-19 02:19:52 <Mango-chan> every day i type on this
 305 2011-02-19 02:19:54 <Diablo-D3> ONLY use sdk 2.1
 306 2011-02-19 02:19:58 <[Tycho]> Is this block ever going to be found or not ?...
 307 2011-02-19 02:20:00 <presence> 328M one is overclocked
 308 2011-02-19 02:20:01 <Mango-chan> the more i want to type
 309 2011-02-19 02:20:02 <JFK911> Mine was part of a cash register, someone hit the enter key on it a couple times a day
 310 2011-02-19 02:20:03 <Mango-chan> [Tycho] no
 311 2011-02-19 02:20:03 <presence> but
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 313 2011-02-19 02:20:07 <Diablo-D3> [Tycho]: its a desert.
 314 2011-02-19 02:20:08 <JFK911> then i got it from ebay for $10!
 315 2011-02-19 02:20:08 <Mango-chan> >>4hrslol
 316 2011-02-19 02:20:11 <[Tycho]> slush's one
 317 2011-02-19 02:20:15 <presence> in the pool the windows box submits 3x the hshes regularly
 318 2011-02-19 02:20:19 <Mango-chan> Current round duration:	3:36:34
 319 2011-02-19 02:20:22 <Mango-chan> fuckdamnshitcunts
 320 2011-02-19 02:20:25 <presence> and has less invalid/stale
 321 2011-02-19 02:20:26 <Diablo-D3> jesus 3.3 hours?
 322 2011-02-19 02:20:29 <Diablo-D3> er 3.5
 323 2011-02-19 02:20:35 satamusic has joined
 324 2011-02-19 02:20:40 <Diablo-D3> yeah HUGE desert
 325 2011-02-19 02:20:42 <TheKid> meh
 326 2011-02-19 02:20:44 <Diablo-D3> watch what'll happen after
 327 2011-02-19 02:20:48 <Diablo-D3> we'll hit a shitload in a row
 328 2011-02-19 02:20:55 <TheKid> 6 hours I've seen
 329 2011-02-19 02:20:56 <TheKid> heh
 330 2011-02-19 02:21:06 <presence> on linux I got7 hashes, 4 which have been invalid
 331 2011-02-19 02:21:08 <Mango-chan> well it's all luck
 332 2011-02-19 02:21:09 <presence> wtf
 333 2011-02-19 02:21:11 <[Tycho]> Yeah, should switch all miners to that pool then :)
 334 2011-02-19 02:21:25 <Mango-chan> Diablo-D3
 335 2011-02-19 02:21:30 <Mango-chan> what hardware do you mine with
 336 2011-02-19 02:21:54 <[Tycho]> Now slush's pool counts only last share, so i can mine on two pools :)
 337 2011-02-19 02:22:25 <Diablo-D3> Mango-chan: a 4850.
 338 2011-02-19 02:22:26 Syke has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
 339 2011-02-19 02:22:56 <Mango-chan> lol
 340 2011-02-19 02:23:01 <Mango-chan> i think his servers are fucked
 341 2011-02-19 02:23:17 <presence> so can stale or invalid come up because I cant forward 8333 to the host or not?
 342 2011-02-19 02:23:24 <[Tycho]> No.
 343 2011-02-19 02:23:46 <Diablo-D3> his servers are always fucked.
 344 2011-02-19 02:24:18 <presence> ugh
 345 2011-02-19 02:24:26 <presence> I guess I should just mine independantly
 346 2011-02-19 02:24:28 <riush> hm, i was having many stale/invalid too.. but since ~1h, all of them have been accepted
 347 2011-02-19 02:24:30 <presence> I hate this crap
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 351 2011-02-19 02:24:46 <riush> (not that it were that many, but still)
 352 2011-02-19 02:25:33 <Mango-chan> eta till someone donate a server to him
 353 2011-02-19 02:25:36 <Mango-chan> +s
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 360 2011-02-19 02:28:03 <mmarker> There
 361 2011-02-19 02:28:18 <mmarker> When the root drive goes bad, it's not a good sign
 362 2011-02-19 02:28:48 <mmarker> NOW I can get to work.
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 364 2011-02-19 02:29:02 <andrew12> oh gosh
 365 2011-02-19 02:29:17 <andrew12> for a sec i thought you just pinged after saying "NOW I can get to work."
 366 2011-02-19 02:29:18 <TheKid> mmarker: what'd you do?
 367 2011-02-19 02:30:00 <mmarker> My Beagleboard, which does the authentication for my home network (DHCP, DNS, some crypto, BGP on the darknet) went BOOM
 368 2011-02-19 02:30:09 <mmarker> well, the SD card in it
 369 2011-02-19 02:30:15 <TheKid> cheap sd card?
 370 2011-02-19 02:30:24 <mmarker> Not that cheap, but not top of the line either
 371 2011-02-19 02:30:39 <andrew12> sd cards are bound to fail.
 372 2011-02-19 02:30:48 <mmarker> Means I have to regenerate some OpenVPN keys, but it's not the end of the world. The bird config will be the PITA
 373 2011-02-19 02:31:10 <mmarker> But half of my dn42 net is now out of comission
 374 2011-02-19 02:31:12 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
 375 2011-02-19 02:31:14 <gribble> Current Blocks: 109041 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 1838 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 3 hours, 1 minute, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51261.59839587
 376 2011-02-19 02:36:47 gasteve has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi)
 377 2011-02-19 02:36:53 <mmarker> grr, no internal named network. What a PITA
 378 2011-02-19 02:37:07 <mmarker> time to see if I have another microSD card
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 380 2011-02-19 02:41:53 <necrodearia> andrew12, Can you give me an example of what kind of data you want?  If I output all moving average data for all blocks, the json data ends up being about 8mb
 381 2011-02-19 02:42:28 <andrew12> necrodearia: I don't want all the blocks, at most like the last 5000
 382 2011-02-19 02:42:35 <andrew12> ;;bc,blocks
 383 2011-02-19 02:42:35 <gribble> 109042
 384 2011-02-19 02:42:56 <andrew12> it'd be nice if you were able to specify a range
 385 2011-02-19 02:43:01 * necrodearia nods
 386 2011-02-19 02:43:10 <necrodearia> That is already possible with the flot graph
 387 2011-02-19 02:43:22 <necrodearia> I haven't documented it though ^_^
 388 2011-02-19 02:43:28 <andrew12> heh
 389 2011-02-19 02:43:46 <necrodearia> http://nullvoid.org/bitcoin/graphs/flot/blocks.php?l=1000 <-- l == length, s == start, e == end
 390 2011-02-19 02:44:08 <necrodearia> so for example http://nullvoid.org/bitcoin/graphs/flot/blocks.php?s=100&e=300  or http://nullvoid.org/bitcoin/graphs/flot/blocks.php?s=100&l=200 are the exact same
 391 2011-02-19 02:44:32 <necrodearia> I'm working on script for only the data though.
 392 2011-02-19 02:45:30 <luke-jr> anyone got wiki privs to warn/block a vandaliser? :P
 393 2011-02-19 02:48:44 <necrodearia> oh also i == interval
 394 2011-02-19 02:48:59 <Diablo-D3> http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/02/18/2217206/New-SHA-Functions-Boost-Crypto-On-64-bit-Chips?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29
 395 2011-02-19 02:49:01 <Diablo-D3> fuck you.
 396 2011-02-19 02:49:11 <necrodearia> http://nullvoid.org/bitcoin/graphs/flot/blocks.php?s=100&e=10000&i=100
 397 2011-02-19 02:49:22 <Diablo-D3> thats the same fucking trick murmurhash3 64bit does
 398 2011-02-19 02:49:25 <Diablo-D3> up yours
 399 2011-02-19 02:49:32 <necrodearia> which seems to be broken
 400 2011-02-19 02:49:37 <TheKid> Diablo-D3: explain?
 401 2011-02-19 02:50:11 <Diablo-D3> TheKid: using 64bit variables on native 64bit processors is faster.
 402 2011-02-19 02:50:22 <TheKid> no shit
 403 2011-02-19 02:50:26 <Diablo-D3> yes, no shit
 404 2011-02-19 02:50:31 <Diablo-D3> but SHA2 is 32bit.
 405 2011-02-19 02:51:04 <Diablo-D3> even a lot of native 32bit processors are faster on 64bit native algos because they have well designed ALUs
 406 2011-02-19 02:51:10 <Diablo-D3> so all they've done is
 407 2011-02-19 02:51:16 <Diablo-D3> make a 64bit native variant of SHA2
 408 2011-02-19 02:51:36 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt improve SHA2, it isnt compatible with SHA2, it just runs faster
 409 2011-02-19 02:51:43 <mmarker> Diablo-D3: However, since NIST has published it, it's now blessed with the holy FIPS pee.
 410 2011-02-19 02:51:45 <Diablo-D3> which, that said, makes it _less_ secure.
 411 2011-02-19 02:51:55 <Diablo-D3> mmarker: no, its not a replacement for SHA3
 412 2011-02-19 02:52:11 <Diablo-D3> most of the SHA3 canidates are 64bit native, and I think all the finalists are.
 413 2011-02-19 02:52:18 <mmarker> Diablo-D3: Of course not, the SHA-3 process isn't near done yet.
 414 2011-02-19 02:52:26 bitcoiner has joined
 415 2011-02-19 02:52:26 <mmarker> All of the finalists are, IIRC
 416 2011-02-19 02:53:01 <mmarker> From what I read, Skein and IIRC, Blake definitely are.
 417 2011-02-19 02:53:46 <Diablo-D3> sha-512 and a 64bit variant of sha-512, the 64bit variant would smoke sha512
 418 2011-02-19 02:53:48 <Diablo-D3> butr
 419 2011-02-19 02:53:53 <Diablo-D3> it'd be less secure
 420 2011-02-19 02:53:57 <Diablo-D3> because it doesnt actually improve it.
 421 2011-02-19 02:54:02 <Diablo-D3> so I can brute force much faster
 422 2011-02-19 02:55:01 <mmarker> I'm sure that they made a phone call to Meade, though.
 423 2011-02-19 02:55:16 <luke-jr> download and test http://gitorious.org/bitcoin/spesmilo/archive-tarball/tonal plz kthx
 424 2011-02-19 02:55:33 <mmarker> Which, BTW, if you're interested in that, the museum there does kick some major ass
 425 2011-02-19 02:58:06 <necrodearia> fixed: http://nullvoid.org/bitcoin/graphs/flot/blocks.php?s=100&e=10000&i=50
 426 2011-02-19 02:58:10 <necrodearia> andrew12, o/
 427 2011-02-19 02:58:19 <necrodearia> still working on only json
 428 2011-02-19 02:58:34 <andrew12> necrodearia: now make it so i can scroll :P
 429 2011-02-19 02:58:41 <necrodearia> ^_^
 430 2011-02-19 02:58:45 <andrew12> holy shit that is awesome
 431 2011-02-19 02:59:01 <mmarker> luke-jr: is it a FE or full client?
 432 2011-02-19 02:59:06 <luke-jr> FE?
 433 2011-02-19 02:59:11 <andrew12> its so awesome it's making my mac lag to hell
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 435 2011-02-19 02:59:33 <TheKid> heh
 436 2011-02-19 02:59:36 <TheKid> bitcoinrave
 437 2011-02-19 02:59:47 <necrodearia> andrew12, scrolling should be fixed now.
 438 2011-02-19 03:00:05 <luke-jr> mmarker: what's FE?
 439 2011-02-19 03:00:13 <mmarker> Frontend to the daemon
 440 2011-02-19 03:00:25 <andrew12> necrodearia: yup
 441 2011-02-19 03:00:48 <andrew12> ;;math calc [bc,blocks - 50]
 442 2011-02-19 03:00:49 <gribble> 109046
 443 2011-02-19 03:01:14 <andrew12> ;;bc,blocks
 444 2011-02-19 03:01:15 <gribble> 109047
 445 2011-02-19 03:01:31 <mmarker> Hmm, nice trough there...wonder why
 446 2011-02-19 03:01:43 <luke-jr> mmarker: frontend, like all clients *should* be
 447 2011-02-19 03:02:30 <mmarker> Gotcha.
 448 2011-02-19 03:03:07 dwdollar has joined
 449 2011-02-19 03:03:47 <andrew12> necrodearia: so you said all the blocks durations with the moving averages was like 8MB?
 450 2011-02-19 03:04:09 <luke-jr> though from working on it, I think JSON-RPC is not suitable a protocol for i t
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 454 2011-02-19 03:04:19 <luke-jr> need something that can do realtime events instead of polling
 455 2011-02-19 03:04:51 <andrew12> luke-jr: agree
 456 2011-02-19 03:05:58 <andrew12> http://mtgox.heroku.com/12hours
 457 2011-02-19 03:06:02 <andrew12> isnt it beautiful?!
 458 2011-02-19 03:06:15 <mmarker> luke-jr: for the over the wire?
 459 2011-02-19 03:06:18 <luke-jr> I did minimize the overhead of the polling though
 460 2011-02-19 03:06:26 <necrodearia> andrew12, yes
 461 2011-02-19 03:06:33 <luke-jr> mmarker: for clients to talk to wallets
 462 2011-02-19 03:07:21 <mmarker> luke-jr: Yea, there's the patch for having the server trigger a REST call on events...but that's ugly. Currently going to use that + some sinatra to trigger messages being sent
 463 2011-02-19 03:08:03 <luke-jr> mmarker: well, I kinda assume QBitCoin has this problem solved by now, but MT`AwAy hasn't told us anything yet
 464 2011-02-19 03:08:17 <luke-jr> I don't want to reinvent his work really
 465 2011-02-19 03:08:17 <dstufft> does the testnet generate bitcoins faster?
 466 2011-02-19 03:08:25 <luke-jr> dstufft: yes'
 467 2011-02-19 03:08:35 <dstufft> ok going to switch to that then to test things out :3
 468 2011-02-19 03:08:35 <luke-jr> and no
 469 2011-02-19 03:08:46 <luke-jr> dstufft: it's only 'faster' because there's fewer miners
 470 2011-02-19 03:08:57 <andrew12> afk -- be back on sunday
 471 2011-02-19 03:09:00 <mmarker> luke-jr: Yea, I'd like to know as well. Working on an android client, so polling is very much out of the question....well, when Google gets off their ass and makes the cloud to device stuff not-beta
 472 2011-02-19 03:09:22 <dstufft> luke-jr: that's fine, i'm messing around and testing some stuff out, but sitting around waiting for it to solve something is not fun :p
 473 2011-02-19 03:09:30 <luke-jr> mmarker: yay for Qt, runs everywhere :D
 474 2011-02-19 03:09:46 <luke-jr> dstufft: I use a pool when I want to verify it works
 475 2011-02-19 03:09:58 <mmarker> luke: this is not a Qt thing, but more of "a mobile device on a battery should be sleeping as much as physically possible" thing
 476 2011-02-19 03:09:59 <luke-jr> pools stick to difficulty 1 usually
 477 2011-02-19 03:10:19 <luke-jr> :p
 478 2011-02-19 03:10:20 <mmarker> so you use push over the carrier to wake the phone up to do work
 479 2011-02-19 03:10:47 <luke-jr> mmarker: try the client yet?
 480 2011-02-19 03:10:54 dissipate has joined
 481 2011-02-19 03:11:35 <mmarker> Not yet. I need to get a daemon running here first. My home network was completely busted when I got home.
 482 2011-02-19 03:12:43 <luke-jr> o
 483 2011-02-19 03:12:46 <luke-jr> that sucks
 484 2011-02-19 03:12:58 <mmarker> Yea. Dead SD card in the Beagleboard
 485 2011-02-19 03:13:06 <mmarker> like, nice random number generator bad
 486 2011-02-19 03:13:25 <mmarker> So everything is now jury rigged to hell
 487 2011-02-19 03:14:08 Tril has joined
 488 2011-02-19 03:14:25 hatboyzero has joined
 489 2011-02-19 03:14:27 <mmarker> gotta go get a new card and fix things. Worse, need to break back into some of my VPS machines and reconfigure my darknet (been playing with dn42...quite fun)
 490 2011-02-19 03:14:38 <mmarker> oh, and fix the BGP router that was also on said machine
 491 2011-02-19 03:17:49 <mmarker> Holy crap. is 109048 still being worked on?
 492 2011-02-19 03:18:06 <hatboyzero> yup, over four hours now
 493 2011-02-19 03:18:11 <mmarker> Damn.
 494 2011-02-19 03:18:23 <mmarker> I had this scary thought in the car today, I think
 495 2011-02-19 03:18:25 <hatboyzero> update in difficulty is taking it's toll, I imagine
 496 2011-02-19 03:18:36 <mmarker> What if you get a set of data that'll never hash to meet the difficulty.
 497 2011-02-19 03:18:56 * hatboyzero shrugs
 498 2011-02-19 03:19:22 <mmarker> Possible, of course. Porbable, probably not.
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 500 2011-02-19 03:20:10 <Tril> i got 109049
 501 2011-02-19 03:20:37 <necrodearia> http://nullvoid.org/bitcoin/movingaverages.php?l=3 ---- l == last  and defaults to 10000 if unspecified or less than 1
 502 2011-02-19 03:20:37 <mmarker> Heh.
 503 2011-02-19 03:20:41 <Tril> if it goes four hours does that mean all transactions took that long?
 504 2011-02-19 03:20:54 <mmarker> yup
 505 2011-02-19 03:21:14 <mmarker> So there may be a flurry of transactions posting
 506 2011-02-19 03:21:32 <necrodearia> andrew12, o/
 507 2011-02-19 03:22:11 <mmarker> Yea, 12k block
 508 2011-02-19 03:22:25 <mmarker> 45 transactions.
 509 2011-02-19 03:22:27 TheKid has left ()
 510 2011-02-19 03:23:03 <mmarker> almost 2k BTC moved. Nice.
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 512 2011-02-19 03:25:08 bitcoiner has joined
 513 2011-02-19 03:26:07 MeanderingCode has joined
 514 2011-02-19 03:26:40 <mmarker> I am going to grow old waiting for this SDK to install
 515 2011-02-19 03:27:42 Syke has joined
 516 2011-02-19 03:28:20 <andrew12> actually i'm gonna pop in here on my phone :D
 517 2011-02-19 03:28:38 <mmarker> Hmm, slush's pool is still churning on the same block? WTF?
 518 2011-02-19 03:29:12 <andrew12> necrodearia: that's exactly what I wanted :D
 519 2011-02-19 03:29:30 <bitcoiner> what other pool there is ?
 520 2011-02-19 03:29:44 <andrew12> bitcoiner: there's bitpenny but afaik its down too
 521 2011-02-19 03:29:52 <necrodearia> andrew12, yay ^_^
 522 2011-02-19 03:30:44 <bitcoiner> how do u calculate here
 523 2011-02-19 03:30:50 <bitcoiner> ;;bc stats
 524 2011-02-19 03:30:50 <gribble> Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
 525 2011-02-19 03:30:50 <necrodearia> ;;calc 1 + 1
 526 2011-02-19 03:30:51 <gribble> 1 + 1 = 2
 527 2011-02-19 03:30:55 <mmarker> I think his servers are melting to slag
 528 2011-02-19 03:30:55 <andrew12> now how many blocks are between diff changes?
 529 2011-02-19 03:31:00 <andrew12> ;;bc,stats
 530 2011-02-19 03:31:02 <mmarker> 2041 or somesuch
 531 2011-02-19 03:31:07 <gribble> Current Blocks: 109049 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 1830 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 1 hour, 3 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51529.75188366
 532 2011-02-19 03:31:08 <MeanderingCode> hello.  i couldn't find this out, so i'm hoping someone knows:  does my wallet contain my key pairs, or are those only in my address book?
 533 2011-02-19 03:31:17 <bitcoiner> ok now with 170mhash
 534 2011-02-19 03:31:20 <andrew12> 4016 right?
 535 2011-02-19 03:31:28 <andrew12> MeanderingCode: your wallet contains your key pairs
 536 2011-02-19 03:31:31 <mmarker> Your wallet.dat has ALL your keys
 537 2011-02-19 03:31:33 <necrodearia> So, witcoin isn't popular yet.  That must mean I am not finished developing it.
 538 2011-02-19 03:31:39 <mmarker> Do not. Repeat. Do not lose it
 539 2011-02-19 03:31:39 <MeanderingCode> great, thanks
 540 2011-02-19 03:31:43 <andrew12> s/ pair//
 541 2011-02-19 03:31:44 <andrew12> :p
 542 2011-02-19 03:32:00 <bitcoiner> ;;bc help
 543 2011-02-19 03:32:01 <gribble> Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
 544 2011-02-19 03:32:08 <andrew12> bitcoiner: note the comma
 545 2011-02-19 03:32:15 <andrew12> ;;bc,help
 546 2011-02-19 03:32:15 <gribble> Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,gen, Alias bc,gend, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,labs, Alias bc,lbs, Alias bc,markets, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,poolstats, Alias bc,prob, Alias bc,stats, Alias bc,timetonext, Alias bc,totalbc, and Alias bc,wiki
 547 2011-02-19 03:32:24 <MeanderingCode> mmarker: that much i knew...just wondering if i also had to guard my address book
 548 2011-02-19 03:32:33 <andrew12> ;;bc,estimate
 549 2011-02-19 03:32:34 <gribble> 51529.75188366
 550 2011-02-19 03:32:37 <andrew12> heh
 551 2011-02-19 03:32:44 <bitcoiner> ;;bc,cal,170000
 552 2011-02-19 03:32:45 <gribble> Error: "bc,cal,170000" is not a valid command.
 553 2011-02-19 03:32:58 <bitcoiner> ;;bc,calc,170000
 554 2011-02-19 03:32:59 <gribble> Error: "bc,calc,170000" is not a valid command.
 555 2011-02-19 03:33:07 <bitcoiner> ;;bc,calcd,170000
 556 2011-02-19 03:33:07 <gribble> Error: "bc,calcd,170000" is not a valid command.
 557 2011-02-19 03:33:09 <bitcoiner> erf
 558 2011-02-19 03:33:33 <andrew12> bitcoiner: the command itself has a comma in it. everything is separated with spaces
 559 2011-02-19 03:33:38 <andrew12> ;;bc,calc 170000
 560 2011-02-19 03:33:38 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 170000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 1 week, 3 days, 15 hours, 52 minutes, and 21 seconds
 561 2011-02-19 03:33:45 <bitcoiner> thanks
 562 2011-02-19 03:33:53 <bitcoiner> cald is what ?
 563 2011-02-19 03:34:01 <andrew12> calcd you mean?
 564 2011-02-19 03:34:08 <bitcoiner> yea sorry
 565 2011-02-19 03:34:27 <andrew12> it's the same as calc but you can specify the difficulty
 566 2011-02-19 03:34:36 <andrew12> ;;bc,calc 170000 1
 567 2011-02-19 03:34:36 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
 568 2011-02-19 03:34:39 <andrew12> er
 569 2011-02-19 03:34:42 <andrew12> ;;bc,calcd 170000 1
 570 2011-02-19 03:34:42 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 170000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 25 seconds
 571 2011-02-19 03:34:51 <bitcoiner> I see thanks
 572 2011-02-19 03:35:21 <andrew12> there's also ,,(bc,gen 170000)
 573 2011-02-19 03:35:21 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 170000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 4.68983420193 BTC per day and 0.195409758414 BTC per hour.
 574 2011-02-19 03:35:39 <luke-jr> ;;bc,gen 265000
 575 2011-02-19 03:35:41 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 265000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 7.31062390301 BTC per day and 0.304609329292 BTC per hour.
 576 2011-02-19 03:36:02 <andrew12> luke-jr: share the wealth pl0x :P
 577 2011-02-19 03:36:18 <luke-jr> andrew12: what wealth
 578 2011-02-19 03:36:32 <andrew12> is that your hashrate?
 579 2011-02-19 03:36:40 <luke-jr> I just lost 900+ BTC/yr cuz of difficulty going up :P
 580 2011-02-19 03:36:42 <luke-jr> yeah
 581 2011-02-19 03:37:02 <luke-jr> pathetic compared to most I'm sure
 582 2011-02-19 03:37:15 <andrew12> luke-jr: no way
 583 2011-02-19 03:37:33 <luke-jr> andrew12: half the people here have multi-5970 rigs ;P
 584 2011-02-19 03:37:47 <satamusic> i have a 900mhz celeron rig
 585 2011-02-19 03:37:52 <andrew12> luke-jr: definitely not half
 586 2011-02-19 03:38:04 <luke-jr> seems like it
 587 2011-02-19 03:38:11 <andrew12> half the people here are bots and clones
 588 2011-02-19 03:38:13 <luke-jr> and I'm not including the lurkers
 589 2011-02-19 03:38:20 <andrew12> and lurkers
 590 2011-02-19 03:38:21 <andrew12> lol
 591 2011-02-19 03:38:24 <luke-jr> andrew12: try my client :P
 592 2011-02-19 03:38:32 <luke-jr> well, genjix's client really
 593 2011-02-19 03:38:35 <bitcoiner> 5 hrs on slush block geee
 594 2011-02-19 03:38:45 <luke-jr> download and test http://gitorious.org/bitcoin/spesmilo/archive-tarball/tonal plz kthx
 595 2011-02-19 03:39:06 <andrew12> if I had a Bitcoin for each clone in this channel...
 596 2011-02-19 03:39:13 <andrew12> luke-jr: i'm on my phone
 597 2011-02-19 03:39:43 <luke-jr> andrew12: excuses
 598 2011-02-19 03:39:47 <luke-jr> Qt works anywhere
 599 2011-02-19 03:39:49 <luke-jr> do eet!
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 601 2011-02-19 03:41:21 <andrew12> luke-jr: on android?
 602 2011-02-19 03:41:31 <luke-jr> andrew12: should
 603 2011-02-19 03:41:34 <luke-jr> duno about Python tho
 604 2011-02-19 03:41:34 <andrew12> heh
 605 2011-02-19 03:41:41 <andrew12> there is ASE
 606 2011-02-19 03:41:52 <andrew12> but i dunno about qt.
 607 2011-02-19 03:42:18 <luke-jr> http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/android-lighthouse
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 609 2011-02-19 03:43:48 <andrew12> necrodearia: if it makes it easier on your server, you can just give the durations themselves, and i can do the averages on my end
 610 2011-02-19 03:44:17 <necrodearia> andrew12, It should be fine for now.  My bandwidth is limited though.   Only 768K upstream
 611 2011-02-19 03:44:18 <andrew12> necrodearia: actually you could probably write the averaging code into the js :P
 612 2011-02-19 03:44:41 <necrodearia> andrew12, I already have the averaging code permanently stored in data files.
 613 2011-02-19 03:44:46 <necrodearia> averaging data*
 614 2011-02-19 03:44:57 <andrew12> averaged data*
 615 2011-02-19 03:44:58 <andrew12> :P
 616 2011-02-19 03:44:59 <necrodearia> yes
 617 2011-02-19 03:45:29 <andrew12> necrodearia: what are you using to get the block durations?
 618 2011-02-19 03:45:32 <andrew12> jw
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 620 2011-02-19 03:45:44 <luke-jr> why does MtGox blog have a pic of USD?
 621 2011-02-19 03:46:15 <andrew12> luke-jr: why do you care?
 622 2011-02-19 03:46:19 <luke-jr> j/w
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 625 2011-02-19 03:48:29 <necrodearia> andrew12, Courtesy of ArtForz I use his python code documented at http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=402.msg3395#msg3395
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 629 2011-02-19 03:55:26 <andrew12> necrodearia: awesome, i'll have to play with that later.
 630 2011-02-19 03:56:01 <andrew12> JStoker: do you even do bitcoin stuff or do you just lurk? :p
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 632 2011-02-19 04:04:09 <Mango-chan> Current round duration:	5:20:16
 633 2011-02-19 04:04:11 <Mango-chan> are you shitting me lol
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 635 2011-02-19 04:05:07 <JFK911> this is the unsolvable iteration
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 651 2011-02-19 04:11:07 <mmarker> I think slush's stats are messed up
 652 2011-02-19 04:11:16 <mmarker> since I think we're past the 5 hour block
 653 2011-02-19 04:11:54 <andrew12> i think slush's pool is messed up
 654 2011-02-19 04:11:55 <Mango-chan> mmarker
 655 2011-02-19 04:11:55 <Mango-chan> what
 656 2011-02-19 04:12:04 <mmarker> His stats
 657 2011-02-19 04:12:10 <Mango-chan> how do you know
 658 2011-02-19 04:12:16 <mmarker> Don't make no sense
 659 2011-02-19 04:12:20 <andrew12> Mango-chan: >I think
 660 2011-02-19 04:12:28 <andrew12> mmarker: neither does what you just said
 661 2011-02-19 04:12:28 <Mango-chan> so where is he
 662 2011-02-19 04:12:31 <mmarker> We're on block 109051
 663 2011-02-19 04:12:43 <mmarker> block 109050 was just found
 664 2011-02-19 04:13:05 <mmarker> and 109051 was just found as well
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 666 2011-02-19 04:13:19 <mmarker> at 3:49:28 UTC
 667 2011-02-19 04:15:06 <[Tycho\> And where is next one ?
 668 2011-02-19 04:15:39 [Tycho\ is now known as [Tycho]
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 671 2011-02-19 04:16:21 <mmarker> No idea.
 672 2011-02-19 04:18:02 skeledrew has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
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 674 2011-02-19 04:18:36 <citizen> where is what next one?
 675 2011-02-19 04:19:02 <[Tycho]> The block.
 676 2011-02-19 04:19:30 <citizen> you mean in the stats?
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 678 2011-02-19 04:19:47 <[Tycho]> Oh, here is it.
 679 2011-02-19 04:19:56 <[Tycho]> No, in the entire chain.
 680 2011-02-19 04:20:41 <Mango-chan> so
 681 2011-02-19 04:20:42 <Mango-chan> what's going on
 682 2011-02-19 04:20:43 <Mango-chan> where's slush
 683 2011-02-19 04:20:56 <[Tycho]> mmarker, block number is almost correct.
 684 2011-02-19 04:21:15 <mmarker> Yea, I think the time and probability are messed up
 685 2011-02-19 04:21:24 <jgarzik> <shrug>  or it just means the pool hasn't found a block in a while
 686 2011-02-19 04:21:31 <[Tycho]> There is still 00.06% probability :)
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 689 2011-02-19 04:22:12 <necrodearia> I think I will create some categories right now.
 690 2011-02-19 04:22:27 <[Tycho]> What categories ?
 691 2011-02-19 04:23:16 <mmarker> jgarzik: oh, it's not for the current block? Makes sense then
 692 2011-02-19 04:23:18 bitcoiner has joined
 693 2011-02-19 04:23:24 <necrodearia> First 10 categories (1 per nick already in the channel (no new joins) suggested will be created and associated with you if you have a witcoin account (Please indicate your userid also) ^_^
 694 2011-02-19 04:23:31 <jgarzik> mmarker: that timer runs until the pool finds a block
 695 2011-02-19 04:23:43 <mmarker> jgarzik: Did not know tat, so then it makes sense
 696 2011-02-19 04:23:48 <[Tycho]> What is witcoin ?
 697 2011-02-19 04:23:50 * mmarker goes back to hacking on JSON-RPC java code
 698 2011-02-19 04:23:56 <luke-jr> EW
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 700 2011-02-19 04:24:08 <necrodearia> See http://meta.witcoin.com/p/109/category-beta-testing for details
 701 2011-02-19 04:24:26 <necrodearia> s/details/examples/
 702 2011-02-19 04:24:53 * [Tycho] imagines getting a 60 GHash/s renderfarm, starting in and then... no blocks for 5.5 hours :)
 703 2011-02-19 04:26:09 <mmarker> EW is right
 704 2011-02-19 04:26:22 <mmarker> I am looking at the other bitcoin app for Android
 705 2011-02-19 04:26:40 <mmarker> They took the android rpc code that's out there and tacked on SSL and the Base64 authentication
 706 2011-02-19 04:26:41 <ivan> if you set up a properly-designed quantum suicide machine you may be able to gets lots of BC
 707 2011-02-19 04:26:48 <mmarker> I'm trying to be pedantic and make it cleaner
 708 2011-02-19 04:28:35 <ivan> (don't try it at home)
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 712 2011-02-19 04:41:39 <necrodearia> Is anyone here an expert on the topic of crime?
 713 2011-02-19 04:42:02 Mango-chan has quit ()
 714 2011-02-19 04:42:07 <[Tycho]> What do you want to commit today ? :)
 715 2011-02-19 04:42:46 Mango-chan has joined
 716 2011-02-19 04:43:22 <necrodearia> Alternatively, is there anyone here that is interested in the topic or discussion of crime and would be interested in profiting from such discussions?
 717 2011-02-19 04:43:38 <necrodearia> Primarily news related topics
 718 2011-02-19 04:44:58 <[Tycho]> 6 hrs, really, this is a crime of improbability.
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 727 2011-02-19 04:54:05 <bitcoiner> happen often ?
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 732 2011-02-19 04:54:06 <mmarker> Well, I'd say "we;re lucky, go to Vegas."
 733 2011-02-19 04:54:06 <mmarker> But I know we aint
 734 2011-02-19 04:54:06 <echelon> sgornick
 735 2011-02-19 04:54:06 <mmarker> Grr, this is soooo frustrating
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 738 2011-02-19 04:55:04 <mmarker> I hate being anal retnetive and pedantic
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 744 2011-02-19 05:08:43 <riush> yep, score and shares of current round just reset
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 747 2011-02-19 05:14:56 <[Tycho]> Where ?
 748 2011-02-19 05:18:12 <Mango-chan> Current round duration:	6:34:22
 749 2011-02-19 05:18:25 <Mango-chan> wtf is going on
 750 2011-02-19 05:19:13 <riush> [Tycho], slush pool. but as pointed out to me, that was the planned 'renormalization' that runs every full hour
 751 2011-02-19 05:20:20 <[Tycho]> I rerouted my miners from slush after running for a few hours and now my score is 0. What a honest system...
 752 2011-02-19 05:20:41 <ZenMondo> ;;bc,stats
 753 2011-02-19 05:20:43 <gribble> Current Blocks: 109059 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 1820 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 4 hours, 25 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 50448.72506871
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 755 2011-02-19 05:20:56 <[Tycho]> Next Difficulty Estimate is depressing.
 756 2011-02-19 05:21:10 <riush> [Tycho], yeah, by score is 0 too, but what i find strange is that my estimated reward went up
 757 2011-02-19 05:21:19 <riush> (way higher than it would ever be for real)
 758 2011-02-19 05:21:29 <[Tycho]> It does so sometimes.
 759 2011-02-19 05:21:39 <[Tycho]> I don't think it will be paid :)
 760 2011-02-19 05:21:44 <riush> whats the reason for that?
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 762 2011-02-19 05:22:16 <[Tycho]> May be it just means that some sow miners dumped their shares and now are silent, so your share becomes more important.
 763 2011-02-19 05:22:18 bitcoiner_ is now known as bitcoiner
 764 2011-02-19 05:22:22 <[Tycho]> *slow
 765 2011-02-19 05:22:27 <riush> i noticed it goes back to normal once a share is found
 766 2011-02-19 05:22:37 <riush> ah ok
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 769 2011-02-19 05:24:46 <[Tycho]> Now, when number of your shares is not important anymore, cheating would be much easier on slush's pool.
 770 2011-02-19 05:25:30 bitcoiner has quit (Client Quit)
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 772 2011-02-19 05:28:17 <jgarzik> maybe the multi-server setup confused his stats
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 774 2011-02-19 05:28:46 <jgarzik> 1970 getwork/sec
 775 2011-02-19 05:28:50 <jgarzik> really?
 776 2011-02-19 05:29:15 bitcoiner has joined
 777 2011-02-19 05:31:28 <[Tycho]> 442 really
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 779 2011-02-19 05:32:17 <jgarzik> now back down to 425/sec
 780 2011-02-19 05:33:01 <jgarzik> graph of System Daily Reward is plummeting
 781 2011-02-19 05:33:59 <bitcoiner> 	1588 getwork/s
 782 2011-02-19 05:34:57 <andrew12> whats on the tails side of a bitcoin?
 783 2011-02-19 05:34:57 <bitcoiner> why its low something high ?
 784 2011-02-19 05:36:37 <luke-jr> where is tcatm lately
 785 2011-02-19 05:36:45 <jgarzik> andrew12: picture of satoshi
 786 2011-02-19 05:36:55 <luke-jr> jgarzik: LOL
 787 2011-02-19 05:37:03 <andrew12> rofl
 788 2011-02-19 05:37:18 <ZenMondo> the B with the lines IS the tail side
 789 2011-02-19 05:37:35 <andrew12> ZenMondo: then what's the heads side?
 790 2011-02-19 05:37:49 <andrew12> inb4 satoshi
 791 2011-02-19 05:37:59 <ZenMondo> jgarzik has it.  Satoshi
 792 2011-02-19 05:38:43 <andrew12> in sha256 we trust
 793 2011-02-19 05:41:15 <mmarker> Ok, enough hacking in Java. Need sleep
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 798 2011-02-19 05:50:20 <gasteve> Hacking java...that's so 1990's..Of course I like to hack smalltalk...which is so 1970s. ;)
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 800 2011-02-19 05:53:44 <carnage_> pffft
 801 2011-02-19 05:54:32 <carnage_> hacking smalltalk is so 2010s now with Moose
 802 2011-02-19 05:55:03 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,gen 700000
 803 2011-02-19 05:55:04 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 700000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 19.311082008 BTC per day and 0.804628416998 BTC per hour.
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 806 2011-02-19 05:58:55 <carnage_> ;;bc,gen 900000
 807 2011-02-19 05:58:56 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 900000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 24.8285340102 BTC per day and 1.03452225043 BTC per hour.
 808 2011-02-19 05:59:23 <EvanR_> lets hack lisp (1960s) or haskell (2370s)
 809 2011-02-19 05:59:38 <carnage_> hmm, 1/h for the next two weeks eh... lets see what we lose to slush
 810 2011-02-19 05:59:58 <carnage_> 2370 eh?  you got a time machine?
 811 2011-02-19 06:00:02 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,gen 800000
 812 2011-02-19 06:00:03 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 800000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 22.0698080091 BTC per day and 0.919575333712 BTC per hour.
 813 2011-02-19 06:00:06 <EvanR_> someone does apparently
 814 2011-02-19 06:00:19 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,gen 730000
 815 2011-02-19 06:00:21 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 730000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 20.1386998083 BTC per day and 0.839112492012 BTC per hour.
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 817 2011-02-19 06:07:29 <gasteve> carnage_: Haha...another small talker here!  Cool.
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 819 2011-02-19 06:12:30 <nevezen> so the ratio of btc/usd just went down finally?
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 821 2011-02-19 06:16:24 <presence> Anyone using slush's pool?
 822 2011-02-19 06:17:58 <[Tycho]> Yes.
 823 2011-02-19 06:18:05 <ZenMondo> Yes I am
 824 2011-02-19 06:18:24 <presence> when does your reward go to "unconfirmed"?
 825 2011-02-19 06:18:42 <[Tycho]> When it's not confirmed yet.
 826 2011-02-19 06:18:52 <[Tycho]> Usually you should wait for 120 blocks.
 827 2011-02-19 06:18:58 <RBecker> If it's unconfirmed it means there hasn't been enough blocks to verify it
 828 2011-02-19 06:19:09 <presence> Im speaking of when it becomes unconfirmed
 829 2011-02-19 06:19:25 <RBecker> it's unconfirmed when you first get it
 830 2011-02-19 06:19:30 <presence> been mining a few hours...and since he switched plans, I have seen nothing moved to unconfirmed
 831 2011-02-19 06:19:33 <presence> its 0.
 832 2011-02-19 06:19:55 <[Tycho]> New plan is a mess.
 833 2011-02-19 06:20:17 <Mango-chan> so
 834 2011-02-19 06:20:18 <Mango-chan> wtf
 835 2011-02-19 06:20:21 <presence> I see all this "estimated reward" shit
 836 2011-02-19 06:20:22 <Mango-chan> is oging on with slush's pool
 837 2011-02-19 06:20:25 <[Tycho]> When did you start mining ?
 838 2011-02-19 06:20:27 <presence> but it never moved to unconfirmed
 839 2011-02-19 06:20:35 <presence> its been hours
 840 2011-02-19 06:20:44 <presence> I do 770Mh/s
 841 2011-02-19 06:20:53 <presence> still showing 0btc unconfirmed
 842 2011-02-19 06:21:00 <[Tycho]> presence, if less than 7,5 hours - then block is just not found yet.
 843 2011-02-19 06:21:30 <[Tycho]> presence, slush's pool this night has problems with probability or bugs.
 844 2011-02-19 06:21:54 <presence> so its telling me for 770Mh/s that my expected reward is .33?  If thats true, no way in HELL am I partiticipating
 845 2011-02-19 06:22:08 <presence> in 7.5 hours I should have much higher than that
 846 2011-02-19 06:22:17 <Mango-chan> presence
 847 2011-02-19 06:22:19 <ZenMondo> I got a payout from the pool 4 hours agi
 848 2011-02-19 06:22:21 <Mango-chan> take a step back
 849 2011-02-19 06:22:23 <Mango-chan> and calm the fuck down
 850 2011-02-19 06:22:30 <[Tycho]> presence, slush's new plan isn't really nice.
 851 2011-02-19 06:22:32 <presence> this is why Im asking and I havent closed the miners
 852 2011-02-19 06:22:39 <Mango-chan> it's bugged tonight
 853 2011-02-19 06:22:48 <Mango-chan> the last block
 854 2011-02-19 06:22:49 <[Tycho]> presence, usually new block appears every 40 mins.
 855 2011-02-19 06:22:52 <Mango-chan> has been running for like
 856 2011-02-19 06:22:53 <carnage_> gasteve, i've not had a lot of hands on expirence with smalltalk, but a do greatly advocate it's immense influence on CLOS, the Perl 6 Object Engine (Moose in current Perl 5) and The Art of Metaobject Programming (great book)
 857 2011-02-19 06:22:54 <Mango-chan> 7 hours
 858 2011-02-19 06:22:57 <Mango-chan> somethings' wrong
 859 2011-02-19 06:22:59 <Mango-chan> don't panic
 860 2011-02-19 06:23:15 <[Tycho]> Why not panic if something is wrong ?
 861 2011-02-19 06:23:23 <presence> if its bugged then I need to stop mining
 862 2011-02-19 06:23:34 <presence> I dont want to mine for no reward
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 864 2011-02-19 06:24:11 <[Tycho]> presence, you better mine solo today because even if this block will be solved you'll get no more than 0.5 btc
 865 2011-02-19 06:24:12 <gasteve> Why is there no goddam tab key on the iPad...I am lost without tab completion
 866 2011-02-19 06:24:18 <presence> ok
 867 2011-02-19 06:24:22 <presence> sounds about right then
 868 2011-02-19 06:24:51 <[Tycho]> I hope to make new pool available today.
 869 2011-02-19 06:25:24 <[Tycho]> Heh, slush's CFD reached 100% :)
 870 2011-02-19 06:25:34 <gasteve> What's better if you have 2 5970's?  Pooled or solo?
 871 2011-02-19 06:25:52 <[Tycho]> gasteve, pooled is always better if you aren't lucky.
 872 2011-02-19 06:25:59 <Mango-chan> pooled = steady
 873 2011-02-19 06:26:01 <Mango-chan> solo = luck
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 875 2011-02-19 06:26:14 <carnage_> pooled or solo should make a marginal difference to everything other than your desire to see results quickly
 876 2011-02-19 06:26:26 <Mango-chan> so
 877 2011-02-19 06:26:30 <carnage_> assuming the pool isn't fucked
 878 2011-02-19 06:26:31 <Mango-chan> is there another pool in which i could participate
 879 2011-02-19 06:26:53 <RBecker> mining.bitcoin.cz
 880 2011-02-19 06:27:01 <[Tycho]> bitpenny is almost there
 881 2011-02-19 06:27:46 <ZenMondo> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1976.msg50002#msg50002  might have something to do with it.
 882 2011-02-19 06:28:13 <Mango-chan> RBecker "another"
 883 2011-02-19 06:28:23 <bitcoiner> almost 8 hours wow
 884 2011-02-19 06:28:35 <RBecker> Mango-chan, yeah, that's not slosh
 885 2011-02-19 06:28:35 <gasteve> but over time luck will even out...so, assuming you stick with solo over time...which is better?  I'd assume solo due to fees associated with pooled
 886 2011-02-19 06:28:39 <RBecker> so it's another
 887 2011-02-19 06:28:44 <RBecker> kk? k.
 888 2011-02-19 06:29:24 <[Tycho]> RBecker, we are talking about mining.bitcoin.cz, which is slush's pool.
 889 2011-02-19 06:29:32 <RBecker> i see
 890 2011-02-19 06:29:34 <carnage_> gasteve: do you use smalltalk for anything currently or are you just an old advoate?
 891 2011-02-19 06:29:44 <[Tycho]> gasteve, there is no really fees at this moment.
 892 2011-02-19 06:30:20 <gasteve> carnage_: smalltalk has the fastest brain to code conversion rate of any language I know...only issue is that due to a relatively small community, libraries aren't as plentiful
 893 2011-02-19 06:30:54 <carnage_> i thought slush's pool had a manditory 2% fee due to him getting slashdotted and not being able to afford bandwidth heh
 894 2011-02-19 06:31:24 <gasteve> Carnage_: I've done smalltalk professionally for about 15 years
 895 2011-02-19 06:31:51 <carnage_> gasteve, used modern perl at all?
 896 2011-02-19 06:33:06 <gasteve> No...my impression of Perl is that's it's executable line noise ...loll
 897 2011-02-19 06:33:49 <carnage_> but put in perspective, i only taught myself to code 13 years ago with C when i was 12 :p
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 899 2011-02-19 06:34:22 <[Tycho]> C is the best language ever.
 900 2011-02-19 06:34:49 <gasteve> Yeah, I started with c++ at about the same age...which was when Stroustroup was in the process of creating it
 901 2011-02-19 06:34:53 <carnage_> line noise... possibly if you're trying to follow someone else's code that doesn't understand maintainability and modularity
 902 2011-02-19 06:35:15 <gasteve> Yep...you write crap in any language
 903 2011-02-19 06:35:24 <Mango-chan> [Tycho]
 904 2011-02-19 06:35:24 <Mango-chan> Cheating will be much more effective with new scoring - you just need to start some ~20 minutes after new block.
 905 2011-02-19 06:35:25 <Mango-chan> why?
 906 2011-02-19 06:35:40 <gasteve> s/you/you can/
 907 2011-02-19 06:35:43 <rapacity> I love C being able to cast everything to void* and bypassing the typechecker is great
 908 2011-02-19 06:36:09 <gasteve> Haha...same reason I like smalltalk :)
 909 2011-02-19 06:36:16 <carnage_> hey, as far as "rounds" go for slush's pool, wtf is a round and where is it defined?
 910 2011-02-19 06:36:19 <gasteve> Well, one of the reasons
 911 2011-02-19 06:36:27 <[Tycho]> Mango-chan, because only your last shares do matter.
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 915 2011-02-19 06:38:52 <foucist> hey guys, why are people valuing this 5970 so low? http://www.overclock.net/appraisals/943538-update-sapphire-radeon-hd-5970-a.html
 916 2011-02-19 06:38:55 <foucist> valuing it at 350-400 ?
 917 2011-02-19 06:39:36 <Mango-chan> heat issue?
 918 2011-02-19 06:39:41 <[Tycho]> They value it for gaming, not considering petamips power :)
 919 2011-02-19 06:40:02 <foucist> i mean that sapphire 5970 should be perfectly fine right?
 920 2011-02-19 06:40:03 <foucist> there's no problems with it?
 921 2011-02-19 06:40:13 <foucist> what about teh reference card stuff?
 922 2011-02-19 06:40:13 <[Tycho]> No problems.
 923 2011-02-19 06:40:27 <[Tycho]> Reference cards are the best.
 924 2011-02-19 06:40:49 <[Tycho]> The only downside is default 725 MHz clock.
 925 2011-02-19 06:41:01 <[Tycho]> 5870 can run on 930 easily.
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 927 2011-02-19 06:44:39 <nevezen> is there anyone in this channel with sufficient power to give a cloak?
 928 2011-02-19 06:45:53 <Mango-chan> join #freenode
 929 2011-02-19 06:45:58 <[Tycho]> 8 hours, now that's suspicious.
 930 2011-02-19 06:46:14 <Mango-chan> inb4 slush screwed it up on purpose and kept the coins tohimself
 931 2011-02-19 06:46:34 <[Tycho]> 'inb4" ?
 932 2011-02-19 06:46:53 <Mango-chan> "hopefully it's not true that"
 933 2011-02-19 06:47:33 <bitcoiner> do you need to run generate coins if u mining solo with gpu ?
 934 2011-02-19 06:47:44 <[Tycho]> How did you write that phrase with 4 chars ? :)
 935 2011-02-19 06:47:51 <[Tycho]> bitcoiner, no
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 938 2011-02-19 06:48:08 <bitcoiner> ok thanks
 939 2011-02-19 06:52:12 <gasteve> Tycho: what does it mean "Reference cards"
 940 2011-02-19 06:52:54 <[Tycho]> Cards, designed by ATI.
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 942 2011-02-19 07:00:21 <JFK911> Did the block move yet?
 943 2011-02-19 07:00:45 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
 944 2011-02-19 07:00:47 <gribble> Current Blocks: 109067 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 1812 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 11 hours, 30 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48645.39313625
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 946 2011-02-19 07:00:56 <JFK911> heh must be
 947 2011-02-19 07:01:08 <genjix> looks like we're in for a crash!!
 948 2011-02-19 07:01:17 <genjix> ;;bc,mtgox
 949 2011-02-19 07:01:17 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.0402,"low":0.7801,"vol":36204,"buy":0.91,"sell":0.9866,"last":0.98}}
 950 2011-02-19 07:01:23 <genjix> weee
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 969 2011-02-19 07:58:44 <[Tycho]> Heh, if only slush stalled two days later - then we wouldn't have that huge step in difficulty :)
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 971 2011-02-19 08:05:40 <afed> ;;bc,stats
 972 2011-02-19 08:05:42 <gribble> Current Blocks: 109069 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 1810 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 14 hours, 46 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47943.80299613
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 977 2011-02-19 08:12:51 <bk128> anyone know the link for this channel's chatlog?
 978 2011-02-19 08:14:07 <[Tycho]> Ask bots
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 980 2011-02-19 08:18:37 <bk128> ;;help
 981 2011-02-19 08:18:38 <gribble> The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/
 982 2011-02-19 08:18:45 <bk128> ;;facts
 983 2011-02-19 08:18:45 <gribble> To see a nice sortable web view of all factoids, click here: http://gribble.dreamhosters.com/viewfactoids.php?db=%23bitcoin-dev || To see a list of the most popular factoids, run !rank || To search factoids, run !factoids search <yoursearchterm>
 984 2011-02-19 08:19:11 <bk128> know the command?
 985 2011-02-19 08:20:11 <bk128> ah, got it
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 987 2011-02-19 08:21:39 <genjix> ;;bc,help
 988 2011-02-19 08:21:40 <gribble> Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,gen, Alias bc,gend, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,labs, Alias bc,lbs, Alias bc,markets, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,poolstats, Alias bc,prob, Alias bc,stats, Alias bc,timetonext, Alias bc,totalbc, and Alias bc,wiki
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 992 2011-02-19 08:23:11 <Mango-chan> dfasdf
 993 2011-02-19 08:23:13 <[Tycho]> Oh, he DID it ! ^)
 994 2011-02-19 08:23:17 <Mango-chan> lol
 995 2011-02-19 08:23:20 <Mango-chan> we finally found the block
 996 2011-02-19 08:23:33 <[Tycho]> Serious block.
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 998 2011-02-19 08:28:34 <bk128> how long?
 999 2011-02-19 08:29:13 <[Tycho]> 9.7 hours
1000 2011-02-19 08:29:45 <[Tycho]> At ~57 000 000 000 Khash/s
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1002 2011-02-19 08:32:43 <bk128> [Tycho]: there's a lot more than that going on.  that's only slush's pool
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1007 2011-02-19 08:34:00 <bk128> or do you mean 9.7 hours since slush's last block
1008 2011-02-19 08:35:28 <[Tycho]> Me and Mango-chan were talking about one specific block - http://blockexplorer.com/b/109071
1009 2011-02-19 08:55:42 <genjix> mrs. mango
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1014 2011-02-19 09:14:26 <mmagic> ArtForz: if you are here, I am rebuilding a chunk of your fan control .c which you very helpfully provided a pastebin link to earlier today. Thank you for that. I just wanted to comment that in my systems (and therefore in some others,) the LPAdapterInfo block has an iPresent of 1 even though the device is NOT present in the system. However, the undoc'd struct members iXScreenNum and strXScreenConfigName can be checked as well, and as f
1015 2011-02-19 09:14:26 <mmagic> ar as I can tell are only present in the active adapters.
1016 2011-02-19 09:15:04 <mmagic> (that is, they contain non-zero values.)
1017 2011-02-19 09:15:23 <mmagic> (or in the iXScreenNum's case, non -1 values.)
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1030 2011-02-19 09:57:21 <mmagic> bah. the only way I seem to be able to detect a slave adapter is by checking for an active fan speed control. Art, does that program actually work for you?
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1035 2011-02-19 10:02:25 <cosurgi> how can I instruct bitcoind to log every getwork done by clients?
1036 2011-02-19 10:02:57 <lfm> I expect you'd need to modify the source
1037 2011-02-19 10:03:10 <cosurgi> hm
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1044 2011-02-19 10:59:51 <mmagic> aaaargh the oscillating fan speeds are scaring the cat!
1045 2011-02-19 10:59:55 <mmagic> lol
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1050 2011-02-19 11:16:34 <wumpus> hehe, so bitcoin mining is bad for the environment, it scares the native animals :)
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1055 2011-02-19 11:22:01 <mmagic> :) i'm using a heavily-modified version of art's pastebin from earlier where he put up his fan control program.. but it's having trouble achieving equilibrium without help..
1056 2011-02-19 11:23:00 <Keefe> if you don't modify his code, does it still oscillate?
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1058 2011-02-19 11:23:35 <lfm> fans have trouble running at very low speeds, is it trying to converge <30% or so?
1059 2011-02-19 11:24:25 <mmagic> if I don't modify his code, it doesn't detect 5970 slave devices, sets the fan speeds to 0% for long periods of time while the cards heat up, and so on.
1060 2011-02-19 11:24:55 <mmagic> it's trying to converge on anywhere from 58% for one card, to about 40% for the others.
1061 2011-02-19 11:25:39 <mmagic> i haven't changed his fanspeed calculation algorithm aside from overriding the minfan (now) which seems to have helped quite a bit.
1062 2011-02-19 11:26:23 <lfm> you could try fiddling with the constants in there right after the targtemp
1063 2011-02-19 11:27:09 <lfm> Kp, Ki, Kd
1064 2011-02-19 11:28:51 <mmagic> good enough for now. a clamp to minspeed seems to have fixed the problem.
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1066 2011-02-19 11:29:23 <mmagic> now i'm compressing the line to 80col and putting velocity indicators on the status line :)
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1068 2011-02-19 11:37:03 <ArtForz> hint: lower the sleep() to 1 second, increase Kp to 4 or so
1069 2011-02-19 11:37:29 <ArtForz> a bit jumpier, but reacts a lot better to load changes
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1071 2011-02-19 11:37:56 <ArtForz> might also try adding feedforward control
1072 2011-02-19 11:38:12 <ArtForz> = add in load % * constant
1073 2011-02-19 11:38:30 <mmagic> did the sleep reduction already and.. I like the gradual-ness. the minimum clamping seems to have done the trick. convergence even when the door's open in the winter has never been > 30% for me..
1074 2011-02-19 11:38:50 <mmagic> hrm, that's interesting..
1075 2011-02-19 11:39:03 <ArtForz> with a properly tuned feedforward loop the PID loop should only have to compensate for ambient temp changes
1076 2011-02-19 11:39:05 <mmagic> <30% i mean..
1077 2011-02-19 11:39:09 <ArtForz> neat
1078 2011-02-19 11:39:51 <mmagic> was that the exact program you use, that was pastebin'd?
1079 2011-02-19 11:39:57 <ArtForz> yea
1080 2011-02-19 11:40:27 <mmagic> i'm surprised as heck your slaves are recognised. did you do a BIOS upgrade or something?
1081 2011-02-19 11:40:30 <ArtForz> well, I since added a simple commandline parser so I can tune target temp and Kp/i/d without recompiling
1082 2011-02-19 11:40:37 <ArtForz> nope
1083 2011-02-19 11:41:07 <ArtForz> my master/slave detection is rather... hackish
1084 2011-02-19 11:41:23 <mmagic> what the hell man. my iPresent is 1 even for the ghost cards.
1085 2011-02-19 11:41:29 <ArtForz> wtf
1086 2011-02-19 11:41:38 <ArtForz> I dont see that
1087 2011-02-19 11:41:56 <mmagic> you ever install a card and then take it back out or move it?
1088 2011-02-19 11:41:58 <ArtForz> yes
1089 2011-02-19 11:42:03 <ArtForz> plenty of times
1090 2011-02-19 11:42:24 <ArtForz> I have a bunch of ghost cards, but iPresent is 0 for those
1091 2011-02-19 11:42:31 <mmagic> huh.  hey I noticed you detect a slave when it's a busID *lower* than a master. you have cards that do that?
1092 2011-02-19 11:42:37 <ArtForz> yea
1093 2011-02-19 11:42:59 <ArtForz> happens with a 5970 on a x4 slot of a old nforce4 board
1094 2011-02-19 11:43:36 <sipa> what is iPresent?
1095 2011-02-19 11:43:57 <ArtForz> "adapter is present" flag
1096 2011-02-19 11:44:04 <sipa> lol, ok
1097 2011-02-19 11:44:05 <sipa> nvm
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1099 2011-02-19 11:44:14 <ArtForz> at least according to ADL SDK docs...
1100 2011-02-19 11:44:27 <mmagic> yeah i read that too.
1101 2011-02-19 11:44:35 <ArtForz> but those seem to be more like general hints
1102 2011-02-19 11:44:39 <mmagic> the only way i can tell for sure is a Get_Active call.
1103 2011-02-19 11:44:59 <ArtForz> = more often than not shit actually works differently than what the docs say
1104 2011-02-19 11:45:06 <mmagic> and then the only way i can detect a slave is whether it *succeeds* at a get fanspeed call or not.
1105 2011-02-19 11:45:35 <ArtForz> ?
1106 2011-02-19 11:45:36 <mmagic> slave -> master
1107 2011-02-19 11:46:07 <mmagic> my slaves will fail the call. you had the function returning failure in that case.
1108 2011-02-19 11:46:32 <ArtForz> your slaves fail fanspeedinfoget ?
1109 2011-02-19 11:46:43 <mmagic> you know, for a moment i thought you'd done all that stuff as a barrier to entry. "You must be This Tall to use this program."
1110 2011-02-19 11:46:48 <lfm> I get those dupes where the strUDID is identical
1111 2011-02-19 11:47:39 <mmagic> ADL_Overdrive5_FanSpeedInfo_Get <-- that fails with a != ADL_OK
1112 2011-02-19 11:47:47 <ArtForz> works fine here
1113 2011-02-19 11:47:56 <ArtForz> os/catalyst version?
1114 2011-02-19 11:48:01 <mmagic> let's see...
1115 2011-02-19 11:48:10 <Blitzboom> wtf. something is wrong with my client
1116 2011-02-19 11:48:15 <Blitzboom> i just created a block
1117 2011-02-19 11:48:19 <Blitzboom> but there is no transaction
1118 2011-02-19 11:48:33 <Blitzboom> i solo mine with poclbm
1119 2011-02-19 11:48:43 <Blitzboom> how can that even be?
1120 2011-02-19 11:48:47 <ArtForz> Blitzboom: generations take 1 additional block to show up in GUI client
1121 2011-02-19 11:48:48 <lfm> Blitzboom: may take up to 20 hours to show up in your balance
1122 2011-02-19 11:49:04 <ArtForz> and 120 blocks to show up in RPC balance
1123 2011-02-19 11:49:06 <mmagic> Ubuntu 10.10 mav, ati-driver-installer-10-12-x86.x86_64.run
1124 2011-02-19 11:49:15 <lfm> Blitzboom: whats it say in your debug.log?
1125 2011-02-19 11:49:17 <Blitzboom> oh, ok
1126 2011-02-19 11:49:27 <Blitzboom> so 1 block to show up at all
1127 2011-02-19 11:49:31 <ArtForz> debian sid amd64 here, fglrx 10.10 through 10.12
1128 2011-02-19 11:49:36 <Blitzboom> it’s just the first time i witnassed a generation live
1129 2011-02-19 11:49:41 <Blitzboom> witnessed*
1130 2011-02-19 11:50:37 <Blitzboom> where’s debug.log located?
1131 2011-02-19 11:50:38 <mmagic> huh.. well, anyway, thank you a huge pile for sparing me the effort of building a velocity-overtaker fanspeed controller, I have a feeling I would've had a few "Thermal Events" as they call them in the docs, on the way to something functional.
1132 2011-02-19 11:51:03 <ArtForz> trying to get back to auto-speed control = fun
1133 2011-02-19 11:51:16 <mmagic> i thought i saw a call that did that..
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1135 2011-02-19 11:51:20 <ArtForz> "now it's back on auto... uhhhh... nope, 0%"
1136 2011-02-19 11:51:27 <ArtForz> yeah, it kinda doesn't work
1137 2011-02-19 11:51:57 <lfm> reboot? grin
1138 2011-02-19 11:52:03 <ArtForz> or restart X
1139 2011-02-19 11:52:30 <ArtForz> the trick is you have to call FanSpeed_Set with ADL_DL_FANCTRL_FLAG_USER_DEFINED_SPEED cleared before trying to go back to auto
1140 2011-02-19 11:52:33 <mmagic> ADL_Overdrive5_FanSpeedToDefault_Set ?
1141 2011-02-19 11:52:39 <ArtForz> yes, does not work
1142 2011-02-19 11:52:52 <mmagic> oh, didn't read before pasting that.
1143 2011-02-19 11:53:04 <mmagic> huh!
1144 2011-02-19 11:53:06 <ArtForz> set manual fanspeed, call FanSpeedToDefault, watch fan speed go to 0% and stay there
1145 2011-02-19 11:53:20 <ArtForz> "whoops"
1146 2011-02-19 11:53:24 <Blitzboom> ok, it did show up after generation of a new block
1147 2011-02-19 11:53:26 <Blitzboom> thank you
1148 2011-02-19 11:53:40 <lfm> wtg
1149 2011-02-19 11:53:54 <mmagic> jesus, all the fans exploding into 100% when i first ran the artfan program (as I call it) freaked me out well enough on its own. :)
1150 2011-02-19 11:54:04 <ArtForz> hehehe
1151 2011-02-19 11:54:21 <mmagic> =]
1152 2011-02-19 11:54:25 <sipa> if you've never heard 5970 fans at 100%, it'll sure scare you anyway :)
1153 2011-02-19 11:54:43 <ArtForz> yeah, hearing a 5970 ramp to 100% the first time is interesting experience
1154 2011-02-19 11:54:46 <lfm> well defaulting to 100% is kinda failsafe
1155 2011-02-19 11:54:48 <mmagic> i had, but not 4 at once..!
1156 2011-02-19 11:55:17 <lfm> ah 4 ya!
1157 2011-02-19 11:55:28 <ArtForz> hearing bigger 80 or 120mm fans spool up is also fun
1158 2011-02-19 11:56:14 <ArtForz> my papst 120mms take about 5 sec to ramp from standstill to 100%
1159 2011-02-19 11:56:22 <ArtForz> inrush protection
1160 2011-02-19 11:56:44 <mmagic> 0:85.0/84.0°C*55|1:85.0/84.0°C*43|2:85.0/84.5°C*40|3:80.5/85.0°C*40    the * changes to ^ or v depending on velocity. and now i can cram it all into a logfile and start graphing it.
1161 2011-02-19 11:56:45 <lfm> liable to blow fuses if it tried to fast?
1162 2011-02-19 11:57:09 <mmagic> guess what my target is. :)
1163 2011-02-19 11:57:26 <lfm> 15c?
1164 2011-02-19 11:57:29 <ArtForz> 42 ?
1165 2011-02-19 11:57:57 <lfm> 180c?
1166 2011-02-19 11:58:07 <mmagic> 85!
1167 2011-02-19 11:58:12 <ArtForz> thats a big number
1168 2011-02-19 11:58:14 <mmagic> whee!
1169 2011-02-19 11:58:30 <sipa> ;;bc,calc 1240000
1170 2011-02-19 11:58:31 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1240000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 1 day, 11 hours, 4 minutes, and 45 seconds
1171 2011-02-19 11:58:33 <mmagic> 180c awesome
1172 2011-02-19 11:58:35 <sipa> ;;bc,gen 1240000
1173 2011-02-19 11:58:37 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1240000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 34.2082024141 BTC per day and 1.42534176725 BTC per hour.
1174 2011-02-19 11:59:02 <ArtForz> so your target is 281710411438055027694947944226061159480056634330574206405101912752560026159795933451040286452340924018275123200000000000000000000 ?
1175 2011-02-19 11:59:05 <genjix> blaa ;;bc,gen 1240000
1176 2011-02-19 11:59:08 <genjix> ;;bc,gen 1240000
1177 2011-02-19 11:59:10 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1240000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 34.2082024141 BTC per day and 1.42534176725 BTC per hour.
1178 2011-02-19 11:59:35 <mmagic> my target is "breakfast" man!
1179 2011-02-19 11:59:37 <ArtForz> well, that's 85! ;)
1180 2011-02-19 11:59:43 <mmagic> :)
1181 2011-02-19 12:00:45 <lfm> mount a grill on it for bacon and eggs?
1182 2011-02-19 12:00:48 <ArtForz> hmmm... load feedforward seems to work nicely
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1184 2011-02-19 12:01:33 <ArtForz> temp stays within +-3°C going 100-0-100 load
1185 2011-02-19 12:02:28 <mmagic> cool!
1186 2011-02-19 12:03:08 <ArtForz> hmmm, looks like it needs different tuning depending on case airflow
1187 2011-02-19 12:04:00 <ArtForz> in my "normal" boxes it overcompensates
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1190 2011-02-19 12:05:11 <ArtForz> adding load/2 to fanspeed percent
1191 2011-02-19 12:06:29 <ArtForz> yeah, a bit too much... load % / 2.5 looks better
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1194 2011-02-19 12:09:16 <mmagic> okay, bedtime.   nice chatting with you, take care.
1195 2011-02-19 12:22:29 <BlueMatt> what is up with the 0.3.20 build?
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1197 2011-02-19 12:25:38 <Blitzboom> i just read about the keypool of 100 keys
1198 2011-02-19 12:26:05 <Blitzboom> i have an old backup of my wallet, but there was only 1 transaction or something
1199 2011-02-19 12:26:42 <Blitzboom> does it have to be set in your bitcoin.conf?
1200 2011-02-19 12:27:14 <Blitzboom> because i only have user and pw bitcoin communicates with the miner there
1201 2011-02-19 12:27:53 <sipa> what has to be set in bitcoin.conf?
1202 2011-02-19 12:28:22 <lfm> sipa: nothing unless you want to
1203 2011-02-19 12:28:38 <Blitzboom> i thought it was a standard feature?
1204 2011-02-19 12:28:42 <sipa> lfm: i mean, what does Blitzboom ask?
1205 2011-02-19 12:28:53 <sipa> 13:19:29 < Blitzboom> does it have to be set in your bitcoin.conf?  -> what has to be set, you ask?
1206 2011-02-19 12:29:21 <Blitzboom> i mean if it has to be set there if i use a keypool of x adresses
1207 2011-02-19 12:29:25 <sipa> no
1208 2011-02-19 12:29:27 <Blitzboom> i only have two lines there
1209 2011-02-19 12:29:29 <lfm> Blitzboom: the 100 future addresses is standard without any options
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1211 2011-02-19 12:29:47 <lfm> Blitzboom: you dont treally see them
1212 2011-02-19 12:29:51 <Blitzboom> so i must be able to backup with my old wallet. i’ll see
1213 2011-02-19 12:30:10 <lfm> how old? the 100 were not always there
1214 2011-02-19 12:30:31 <Blitzboom> a few days
1215 2011-02-19 12:30:33 <Blitzboom> so
1216 2011-02-19 12:30:39 <lfm> mtgox took a beating today
1217 2011-02-19 12:31:07 <lfm> Blitzboom: ok a few days should be ok if its from the same version
1218 2011-02-19 12:31:24 <Blitzboom> it is …
1219 2011-02-19 12:31:29 <grondilu> what's the "longest" block chain exactly.  I guess it's not only the number of blocks.  It takes the inner difficulties into account, right ?
1220 2011-02-19 12:31:39 <sipa> grondilu: yes
1221 2011-02-19 12:31:44 <Blitzboom> but there are only two adresses in that wallet
1222 2011-02-19 12:31:50 <Blitzboom> i don’t get it
1223 2011-02-19 12:31:58 <sipa> Blitzboom: no, there are two *visible* addresses in that wallet
1224 2011-02-19 12:32:11 <sipa> it has 100 invisible ones as well
1225 2011-02-19 12:32:18 <Blitzboom> i don’t mean that
1226 2011-02-19 12:32:22 <Blitzboom> in my backup
1227 2011-02-19 12:32:27 <Blitzboom> oh, right
1228 2011-02-19 12:32:34 <Blitzboom> so i backup by reloading the blocks?!
1229 2011-02-19 12:32:37 <Blitzboom> ok
1230 2011-02-19 12:32:48 <Blitzboom> worth a try
1231 2011-02-19 12:32:50 <sipa> you backup by making a backup of wallet.dat
1232 2011-02-19 12:32:56 <Blitzboom> no, i mean now
1233 2011-02-19 12:33:02 <grondilu> sipa: where is it exactly in the code ?  Which keyword should I look for ?  I seached "longest" and it pointed me to CBlockIndex but it's not easy to understand.
1234 2011-02-19 12:33:02 <lfm> make a backup by saving a copy of wallet.dat
1235 2011-02-19 12:33:07 <Blitzboom> i told you i have an older version of my wallet
1236 2011-02-19 12:33:11 <Blitzboom> and i lost coins
1237 2011-02-19 12:33:16 <sipa> Blitzboom: and you restore by replacng a wallet.dat with its backup
1238 2011-02-19 12:33:25 <sipa> and calling bitcoin with the -rescan option
1239 2011-02-19 12:33:35 <Blitzboom> thanks, i’ll try rescan
1240 2011-02-19 12:33:38 <sipa> or if it's <0.3.20, by removng the db
1241 2011-02-19 12:33:45 <sipa> and letting it download the chain again
1242 2011-02-19 12:34:05 <lfm> restor from a backup - put wallet.dat in your configdir and delete blk0001.dat and redownload the block chain. (0.3.20 has a new faster way)
1243 2011-02-19 12:34:58 <lfm> or maybe you need to delete all but the wallet.dat
1244 2011-02-19 12:35:24 <Blitzboom> sipa: -restore does nothing
1245 2011-02-19 12:35:35 <sipa> there is no -restore
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1247 2011-02-19 12:35:37 <Blitzboom> i’ll just delete blk0001
1248 2011-02-19 12:35:42 <Blitzboom> eeh rescan
1249 2011-02-19 12:35:49 <lfm> maybe blkindex.dat too
1250 2011-02-19 12:35:57 <sipa> 0.3.20 has -rescan, earlier versions don't
1251 2011-02-19 12:36:20 <lfm> ya 0.3.20 has -resacnm where you dont delete and dont need to redownload
1252 2011-02-19 12:36:27 <lfm> -rescan
1253 2011-02-19 12:37:00 <Blitzboom> blkindex needs to be deleted too?
1254 2011-02-19 12:37:10 <Blitzboom> cause bitcoin gives me an error that it cant load it
1255 2011-02-19 12:37:11 <lfm> I would to be safe
1256 2011-02-19 12:37:44 <lfm> -rescn wont be usefull if you have deleted them
1257 2011-02-19 12:37:47 <Blitzboom> ok, it should connect and load blocks now … really hope it works
1258 2011-02-19 12:37:50 <BlueMatt> I would like to know what happened to result in your client missing transactions
1259 2011-02-19 12:38:09 <Blitzboom> my transactions should begin at like 100k blocks, so i’ll have to wait
1260 2011-02-19 12:38:23 <Blitzboom> i’m thrilled because i haven’t tried that yet
1261 2011-02-19 12:38:32 <Blitzboom> may get me everything back
1262 2011-02-19 12:38:38 <sipa> you lost a lot?
1263 2011-02-19 12:38:45 <Blitzboom> for me it was
1264 2011-02-19 12:38:56 <Blitzboom> three block creations
1265 2011-02-19 12:39:04 <lfm> what are you trying to fix?
1266 2011-02-19 12:39:22 <Blitzboom> trying to get back my bitcoins
1267 2011-02-19 12:39:37 <lfm> if you sent them somewhere they will be gone again
1268 2011-02-19 12:39:45 <Blitzboom> i didn’t
1269 2011-02-19 12:39:51 <Blitzboom> that’s the point
1270 2011-02-19 12:40:02 <sipa> he just lost his wallet, i suppose
1271 2011-02-19 12:40:04 <Blitzboom> so it must work, right? as 100 adresses is standard?
1272 2011-02-19 12:40:12 <Blitzboom> yeah, just lost it. i don’t even know how
1273 2011-02-19 12:40:16 <BlueMatt> So how did they disappear in the the first place?
1274 2011-02-19 12:40:31 <Blitzboom> that’s what i was desperate at, BlueMatt
1275 2011-02-19 12:40:43 <Blitzboom> a new wallet was created somehow
1276 2011-02-19 12:40:50 <lfm> the file dissapeared? you got disk full or what?
1277 2011-02-19 12:40:54 <Blitzboom> the situation was this:
1278 2011-02-19 12:41:15 <Blitzboom> i wanted to have some backups automatically created
1279 2011-02-19 12:41:24 <Blitzboom> but i couldn’t find my wallet.dat
1280 2011-02-19 12:41:31 <Blitzboom> there wasn’t any in the folder it was supposed to be
1281 2011-02-19 12:41:53 <Blitzboom> so i deleted the block-dats and a new wallet was created
1282 2011-02-19 12:42:00 <lfm> there is a backupwallet command line command
1283 2011-02-19 12:42:02 <Blitzboom> i don’t get how there can be no wallet
1284 2011-02-19 12:42:30 <Blitzboom> it’d have been too late, as i restarted the client and a new wallet was created
1285 2011-02-19 12:42:50 <Blitzboom> but yeah, hopefully this works now. it’s my last chance
1286 2011-02-19 12:43:00 <BlueMatt> sucks, man
1287 2011-02-19 12:43:02 <lfm> your auto backup attempt deleted it?
1288 2011-02-19 12:43:25 <Blitzboom> idk, i downloaded one supplied via the forum
1289 2011-02-19 12:43:33 <Blitzboom> won’t do that ever again, i guess
1290 2011-02-19 12:44:16 <Blitzboom> imo this is i big threat to unexpierienced users
1291 2011-02-19 12:44:29 <Blitzboom> and that’s the clientel we want to use bitcoins, after all
1292 2011-02-19 12:48:15 <lfm> ya should be big caution warnings arount wallet.dat (more than there is already)
1293 2011-02-19 12:48:31 <Blitzboom> absolutely
1294 2011-02-19 12:49:19 <Blitzboom> standard client must deliver some noob-proof-solution for backup
1295 2011-02-19 12:49:46 <Blitzboom> i’d say it backsup in a given folder itself. but surely this is going to be implemented somitime
1296 2011-02-19 12:49:59 <BlueMatt> entire standard client needs to become more noob-proof
1297 2011-02-19 12:50:11 <BlueMatt> Thus we need libbitcoin
1298 2011-02-19 12:50:12 <[Tycho]> Overbackuping is not good to because this file shouldn't just hang around and seen by other people.
1299 2011-02-19 12:50:50 <Blitzboom> damn, this block downloading is so slow
1300 2011-02-19 12:52:34 <scsich> anyone in here running m0mchil's miner with 5970s?
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1302 2011-02-19 12:52:56 <Blitzboom> nope, 5870 here
1303 2011-02-19 12:53:19 <scsich> are you running the newest git pull (48 hours ago_
1304 2011-02-19 12:53:22 <scsich> ?
1305 2011-02-19 12:53:48 <lfm> 8400gs here
1306 2011-02-19 12:53:51 <Blitzboom> i updated a while ago, maybe the same version. let me see
1307 2011-02-19 12:53:58 <BlueMatt> gtx260
1308 2011-02-19 12:54:05 <Blitzboom> 20110215
1309 2011-02-19 12:54:10 <Blitzboom> that’s my version
1310 2011-02-19 12:54:16 <scsich> the slave core on 2/4 of my cards are spitting "verfication failed, check hardware"
1311 2011-02-19 12:54:38 <scsich> blitzboom: no problems?
1312 2011-02-19 12:54:42 <Blitzboom> nope
1313 2011-02-19 12:54:47 <Blitzboom> none at all
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1315 2011-02-19 12:54:51 <lfm> scsich: overclocked?
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1320 2011-02-19 12:55:24 <scsich> they were, a bit ... I backed them off to normal clock and then to 600Mhz/725Mhz
1321 2011-02-19 12:55:33 <scsich> still get failures
1322 2011-02-19 12:55:48 <BlueMatt> run memtestG80?
1323 2011-02-19 12:55:50 <lfm> maybe bad memory bit or something
1324 2011-02-19 12:55:59 <scsich> I've seen someone else reporting the same error on the windows miner
1325 2011-02-19 12:56:03 <Keefe> scsich: i can't stick around to help, but check these: you must get internal crossfire out of the way, and you need to set DISPLAY to :0
1326 2011-02-19 12:56:21 <BlueMatt> excuse me MemtestCL for amds
1327 2011-02-19 12:56:30 <scsich> bluematt: thanks didn't know the memtest equiv for opencl existed
1328 2011-02-19 12:57:08 <scsich> keefe: thanks for the heads up, crossfire disabled in bios?
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1330 2011-02-19 12:58:44 <Keefe> scsich: no. lookup the crossfire stuff in aticonfig's help
1331 2011-02-19 12:59:00 * Keefe is afk
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1333 2011-02-19 12:59:51 <Blitzboom> how can i see my hidden adresses of the pool if there ar any?
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1335 2011-02-19 13:00:00 <Blitzboom> AH
1336 2011-02-19 13:00:04 <Blitzboom> it’s working!
1337 2011-02-19 13:00:09 <Blitzboom> getting my money back
1338 2011-02-19 13:00:17 <Blitzboom> awesome
1339 2011-02-19 13:00:26 <lfm> no hope it doesnt goa away again
1340 2011-02-19 13:00:27 <BlueMatt> nice
1341 2011-02-19 13:00:38 <Blitzboom> this is great
1342 2011-02-19 13:00:40 <BlueMatt> make a backup now
1343 2011-02-19 13:00:43 <lfm> you wont know till the block are all in
1344 2011-02-19 13:00:46 <[Tycho]> scsich, are you using m0mchil on Windows ?
1345 2011-02-19 13:01:05 <Blitzboom> wait … why did the mony i have reduce to 0 again?
1346 2011-02-19 13:01:05 <lfm> dont backup while bitcoin is running
1347 2011-02-19 13:01:10 <grubles> scsich: I got those errors before, I rememdied them by setting the -f flag to atleast 30
1348 2011-02-19 13:01:13 <Blitzboom> do  i have to create the adresses new?
1349 2011-02-19 13:01:16 <BlueMatt> you get my poing
1350 2011-02-19 13:01:23 <BlueMatt> point*
1351 2011-02-19 13:01:29 <lfm> Blitzboom: ok someone got to your machine and looted it
1352 2011-02-19 13:01:39 <Blitzboom> seriously?
1353 2011-02-19 13:01:42 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: shouldnt have to
1354 2011-02-19 13:01:47 <Blitzboom> but there is no sent-transaction
1355 2011-02-19 13:01:48 <lfm> you have a roomate?
1356 2011-02-19 13:01:59 <Blitzboom> nothing was sent, so how can i have 0?
1357 2011-02-19 13:02:09 <grubles> blitzboom, check your date/time...that has happened to me before.
1358 2011-02-19 13:02:13 <lfm> they used another machine
1359 2011-02-19 13:02:24 <Blitzboom> grubles: what you you mean, sorry
1360 2011-02-19 13:02:28 <scsich> [Tycho]: no m0mchil on debian and ubuntu
1361 2011-02-19 13:02:33 <grubles> blitzboom, i reset my mobo and when i booted up and started bitcoin..i was -200 bitcoins...until i set the time accordingly
1362 2011-02-19 13:02:35 <scsich> grubles: I'll try that next
1363 2011-02-19 13:02:46 <[Tycho]> scsich, oh, unlucky you...
1364 2011-02-19 13:02:58 <Blitzboom> i don’t think that’s the issue
1365 2011-02-19 13:02:59 <[Tycho]> scsich, did you switched off the crossfire ?
1366 2011-02-19 13:03:04 <Blitzboom> the bank account went up
1367 2011-02-19 13:03:10 <Blitzboom> as the transactions came in
1368 2011-02-19 13:03:14 <Blitzboom> but then decreased
1369 2011-02-19 13:03:18 <lfm> true your clock should be set right, right timezone too
1370 2011-02-19 13:03:26 <scsich> [Tycho]: found crossfire was enabled on one box
1371 2011-02-19 13:03:30 <scsich> switching off...
1372 2011-02-19 13:03:38 <Blitzboom> lfm: it is oO
1373 2011-02-19 13:03:55 <ArtForz> Blitzboom: thats what it looks like when you load a wallet backup that has keys that've already been spent
1374 2011-02-19 13:04:13 <lfm> Blitzboom: do you have a timestamp for one of the creates? show me the exact date and time
1375 2011-02-19 13:04:32 <Blitzboom> the transactions?
1376 2011-02-19 13:04:38 <Blitzboom> oh, yes
1377 2011-02-19 13:04:44 <scsich> all: thanks for the suggestions, one box seems to be back to normal
1378 2011-02-19 13:05:02 <scsich> does crossfire switch on as default?
1379 2011-02-19 13:05:26 <ArtForz> = wait for block count to reach correct value before deciding what to do next
1380 2011-02-19 13:05:57 <scsich> also, is the crossfire setting persistent across reboot?
1381 2011-02-19 13:06:16 <ArtForz> scsich: generally, yes and generally, yes
1382 2011-02-19 13:06:38 <ArtForz> unless ati driver decides to have a bad day or something
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1384 2011-02-19 13:06:59 <scsich> artforz: the ati driver is consistently on its period.
1385 2011-02-19 13:07:15 <Blitzboom> lfm: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7771470/btcs.png
1386 2011-02-19 13:07:37 <Blitzboom> the wounter went all up as the transactions came in and then down
1387 2011-02-19 13:07:42 <scsich> chicken bones and a small goat sacrifice were required to find the right stream sdk driver combo to get the thing not to eat all cpu
1388 2011-02-19 13:07:54 <Blitzboom> counter*
1389 2011-02-19 13:08:03 <ArtForz> wtf
1390 2011-02-19 13:08:11 <Blitzboom> i don’t get this
1391 2011-02-19 13:08:14 <ArtForz> okay, that's REALLY weird
1392 2011-02-19 13:08:23 <BlueMatt> yea that makes no sense
1393 2011-02-19 13:08:25 <lfm> Blitzboom: what timezone is that?
1394 2011-02-19 13:08:42 <Blitzboom> utc+1
1395 2011-02-19 13:08:43 <ArtForz> probably UTC+1
1396 2011-02-19 13:09:01 <Blitzboom> so what now?
1397 2011-02-19 13:09:05 <Blitzboom> i want that back lol
1398 2011-02-19 13:09:05 <ArtForz> sec
1399 2011-02-19 13:09:30 <Blitzboom> but it SHOULD be there right?
1400 2011-02-19 13:09:33 <Blitzboom> means i succeeded
1401 2011-02-19 13:09:42 <ArtForz> yea, sec
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1403 2011-02-19 13:10:06 <Keefe> Blitzboom: at least the most recent gen has been spent: http://blockexplorer.com/address/1NGiHHQNaSnvHDAqCSzdFR2puUdmHpFa3t
1404 2011-02-19 13:10:12 <ArtForz> yep
1405 2011-02-19 13:10:37 <lfm> Blitzboom: ok they have not been spant as far as I can tell
1406 2011-02-19 13:10:39 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: also the receives on 1JpZpX... have been spent
1407 2011-02-19 13:10:44 <Blitzboom> wtf
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1409 2011-02-19 13:11:08 <lfm> creat on 1MeQYMKZPNQuoUQABSNET8fCZUY3936EKF
1410 2011-02-19 13:11:08 <BlueMatt> http://blockexplorer.com/address/18LmHosxfwCLK7hZYwHqKwE14Ktmu5E2PE
1411 2011-02-19 13:11:13 <Keefe> but could someone have gotten your wallet only 13 hrs after that last gen?
1412 2011-02-19 13:11:20 <BlueMatt> He took all the money from 1JpZpX...
1413 2011-02-19 13:11:51 <Blitzboom> so i have none left?
1414 2011-02-19 13:11:54 <lfm> the creates still seem ok tho
1415 2011-02-19 13:12:06 <BlueMatt> Potentially, but yea creates should be ok
1416 2011-02-19 13:12:20 <Blitzboom> how do i get the creates back?
1417 2011-02-19 13:12:24 <BlueMatt> just have to wait for confirmations before they appear in the balance
1418 2011-02-19 13:12:41 <BlueMatt> Though, should have already, 212 should be confirmed
1419 2011-02-19 13:12:52 <Blitzboom> i don’t get it then
1420 2011-02-19 13:12:53 <ArtForz> errr... they've been spent
1421 2011-02-19 13:13:11 <lfm> oh one of the creates is spent
1422 2011-02-19 13:13:16 <Blitzboom> and the others?
1423 2011-02-19 13:13:25 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: can you list the addresses in your address book?
1424 2011-02-19 13:13:29 <lfm> two I checked were ok
1425 2011-02-19 13:13:32 <noagendamarket> http://boards.4chan.org/b/res/310508116#310508293   want to bump this ?
1426 2011-02-19 13:13:33 <Keefe> http://blockexplorer.com/address/1H7ntZhqEPu5BJ8GUWznRBn6BobM2TbyVe
1427 2011-02-19 13:13:40 <Blitzboom> only three, BlueMatt. there were more originally
1428 2011-02-19 13:13:43 <BlueMatt> or put them in blockexplorer and see if theyve been speant
1429 2011-02-19 13:13:45 <Blitzboom> 20 maybe
1430 2011-02-19 13:13:46 <BlueMatt> spend*
1431 2011-02-19 13:13:57 <ArtForz> http://blockexplorer.com/tx/aa4f53c280e1a2758326b7843388ef7c47c367f4a335091a7436ffc7666fc1c1
1432 2011-02-19 13:14:00 <ArtForz> yep
1433 2011-02-19 13:14:12 <Blitzboom> everything spent?
1434 2011-02-19 13:14:25 <BlueMatt> Yea for the most part, looks like it
1435 2011-02-19 13:14:29 <Blitzboom> ok, that code was malicious. that must be it
1436 2011-02-19 13:14:33 <Keefe> http://blockexplorer.com/address/1Kc3vXdX5wv1BhZTFAFN3qKLeW6qA9nEDb
1437 2011-02-19 13:14:36 <Blitzboom> it’s on the forum
1438 2011-02-19 13:14:37 <Blitzboom> wait
1439 2011-02-19 13:14:41 <BlueMatt> Shit
1440 2011-02-19 13:14:51 <BlueMatt> sucks
1441 2011-02-19 13:15:07 <Keefe> so 50 went to 1FeafFbtanpMeyaytbdqX4KVsaHXVMnphF
1442 2011-02-19 13:15:16 <ArtForz> yep
1443 2011-02-19 13:15:17 <Keefe> and 100 to 14N9QdzzJSHF3k6fDSVkDhQ6QGHfSxU7a7
1444 2011-02-19 13:15:17 <BlueMatt> mustve been malicious
1445 2011-02-19 13:15:22 <ArtForz> yep
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1450 2011-02-19 13:16:39 <Keefe> Blitzboom: still on the forum?
1451 2011-02-19 13:16:47 <Blitzboom> i’m searching for it
1452 2011-02-19 13:17:05 <BlueMatt> speaking of which, the forum needs better search functions
1453 2011-02-19 13:17:12 <ArtForz> also some of 1JpZpX2NfVA1cCsoDgK7SAKKvfxQVTto7J went to 14N9QdzzJSHF3k6fDSVkDhQ6QGHfSxU7a7, the rest to 18LmHosxfwCLK7hZYwHqKwE14Ktmu5E2PE
1454 2011-02-19 13:17:16 <Blitzboom> it was supposed to put it on dropbox and your gmail account
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1458 2011-02-19 13:18:29 <ArtForz> and the 1 BTC on 18LmHosxfwCLK7hZYwHqKwE14Ktmu5E2PE also went to 18LmHosxfwCLK7hZYwHqKwE14Ktmu5E2PE
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1460 2011-02-19 13:18:55 <ArtForz> errr
1461 2011-02-19 13:19:01 <Blitzboom> this really sucks. put too much trust in this forum
1462 2011-02-19 13:19:10 <ArtForz> the 1 btc on 17SB4eskS7oAcv9knz1rQC9rqwTvBdRtbX
1463 2011-02-19 13:19:29 <lfm> Blitzboom: did someone other than yourself use that computer?
1464 2011-02-19 13:19:36 <Blitzboom> no
1465 2011-02-19 13:19:37 <Blitzboom> never
1466 2011-02-19 13:20:08 <Blitzboom> i can’t find it, he must’ve deleted the thread
1467 2011-02-19 13:20:13 <Keefe> was source code provided for the "tool"? doubt it
1468 2011-02-19 13:20:21 <Blitzboom> probably not
1469 2011-02-19 13:20:35 <ArtForz> you still got the binary?
1470 2011-02-19 13:20:47 <Blitzboom> it’s java
1471 2011-02-19 13:20:54 <ArtForz> even better
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1486 2011-02-19 13:21:11 <ArtForz> up it somewhere
1487 2011-02-19 13:21:42 <Blitzboom> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7771470/BitcoinBackup.zip
1488 2011-02-19 13:21:46 <Blitzboom> this is how i downloaded it
1489 2011-02-19 13:21:57 <Keefe> actually, someone like that should post source also to build false confidence, since most people don't check, especially the target audience for that
1490 2011-02-19 13:22:19 <Blitzboom> want to backup your coins - lose all of them
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1493 2011-02-19 13:22:56 <Blitzboom> so it deletes your wallet
1494 2011-02-19 13:23:17 <Blitzboom> and he copies it before that
1495 2011-02-19 13:23:34 <Blitzboom> meh
1496 2011-02-19 13:23:50 <Keefe> did you give the tool your email pwd?
1497 2011-02-19 13:24:04 <Blitzboom> no, i would have been suspicious then
1498 2011-02-19 13:24:07 <ArtForz> looks like it includes source...
1499 2011-02-19 13:24:22 <Blitzboom> dropbox folder and email-adress is what i provided
1500 2011-02-19 13:25:01 <Keefe> did it email you anything? curious what address it sends from
1501 2011-02-19 13:25:04 <ArtForz> yep, trojan it is
1502 2011-02-19 13:25:25 <ArtForz> wallet gets sent to bitcoin.backup@gmail.com and katyabor1@mail.ru and deleted
1503 2011-02-19 13:25:47 <Blitzboom> great
1504 2011-02-19 13:26:23 <Keefe> anything else Blitzboom should be aware of? such as if it installs other malware or collects other info?
1505 2011-02-19 13:26:29 <ArtForz> doesnt look like it
1506 2011-02-19 13:26:45 <ArtForz> the author was nice enough to leave the .java sources in the .jar ...
1507 2011-02-19 13:26:50 <Blitzboom> i’ve MSE btw
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1509 2011-02-19 13:27:04 <ArtForz> interesting
1510 2011-02-19 13:27:05 <ArtForz>                     protected PasswordAuthentication getPasswordAuthentication() {
1511 2011-02-19 13:27:05 <ArtForz>                         return new PasswordAuthentication("safer.mail.ever", "Goran Zvetkovic (22:41:38 17/02/2011)Goran Zvetkovic (22:41:38 17/02/2011)");
1512 2011-02-19 13:27:05 <ArtForz>                     }
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1514 2011-02-19 13:27:23 <Blitzboom> lolwhat
1515 2011-02-19 13:28:13 LtBrenton_ is now known as LtBrenton
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1518 2011-02-19 13:28:21 <scsich_> another question: disabling of crossfire is not persisting across x restarts
1519 2011-02-19 13:28:27 LtBrenton is now known as LtBrenton_
1520 2011-02-19 13:28:29 <scsich_> any thoughts?
1521 2011-02-19 13:28:31 <Blitzboom> ArtForz: is this his name?
1522 2011-02-19 13:28:34 <ArtForz> no clue
1523 2011-02-19 13:28:36 LtBrenton_ is now known as LtBrenton
1524 2011-02-19 13:28:54 <scsich_> this is after deleting all chains and turning it off via aticonfig
1525 2011-02-19 13:29:08 <lfm> if he is a total idiot it is his real name
1526 2011-02-19 13:29:11 <Blitzboom> wallet stealing is too easy
1527 2011-02-19 13:29:34 <Blitzboom> ok, but i was an idiot to trust any guy on the forum. although the thread already hat a few posts
1528 2011-02-19 13:29:41 <ArtForz> well, he left the f*in source in the .jar ...
1529 2011-02-19 13:30:52 <Blitzboom> this is even worse than losing your wallet
1530 2011-02-19 13:31:09 nathan7 is now known as nathan7_
1531 2011-02-19 13:31:23 <Blitzboom> and the first time i ever got "hacked" or something. lol
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1533 2011-02-19 13:31:35 <Keefe> is all the info needed to login to the guy's email account, in the src?
1534 2011-02-19 13:31:37 <lfm> he paid a 0.05 fee on one of those txn! lol
1535 2011-02-19 13:31:46 <Keefe> i'd like to see how many others got screwed
1536 2011-02-19 13:32:01 <Blitzboom> i’d like to screw him
1537 2011-02-19 13:32:07 <nathan7> ArtForz, nameless|, nanotube, niekie, Sirius, tcatm, UukGoblin, Xunie: op gribble?
1538 2011-02-19 13:32:36 nathan7 has quit (Client Quit)
1539 2011-02-19 13:32:40 <ArtForz> not sure yet
1540 2011-02-19 13:33:07 nathan7 has joined
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1543 2011-02-19 13:34:11 <ArtForz> ROFL
1544 2011-02-19 13:34:18 <nathan7> ArtForz: hmm?
1545 2011-02-19 13:34:27 <nathan7> ArtForz: op gribble
1546 2011-02-19 13:34:35 <ArtForz> login:"bitcoin.backup@gmail.com" password:"Goran Zvetkovic (22:41:38 17/02/2011)"
1547 2011-02-19 13:34:41 <genjix> !!
1548 2011-02-19 13:34:47 nathan7 has left ()
1549 2011-02-19 13:34:47 <genjix> ArtForz: login change pass
1550 2011-02-19 13:34:47 nathan7 has joined
1551 2011-02-19 13:34:49 <Blitzboom> oh please fuck him up
1552 2011-02-19 13:34:49 <Keefe> change the pwd to his acct
1553 2011-02-19 13:34:50 <nathan7> \o/
1554 2011-02-19 13:34:52 <genjix> quick!
1555 2011-02-19 13:34:58 <Blitzboom> i’ll do it
1556 2011-02-19 13:35:01 <Blitzboom> i’m the ictim
1557 2011-02-19 13:35:05 <Blitzboom> victim*
1558 2011-02-19 13:35:23 <Blitzboom> password is wrong
1559 2011-02-19 13:35:24 <Blitzboom> fuck
1560 2011-02-19 13:35:27 <Blitzboom> oh nvm
1561 2011-02-19 13:35:36 <nathan7> okay
1562 2011-02-19 13:35:37 <Blitzboom> works
1563 2011-02-19 13:35:42 * nathan7 gets another miner online
1564 2011-02-19 13:35:46 <Blitzboom> damn russian interface
1565 2011-02-19 13:35:54 <Blitzboom> how do i change it
1566 2011-02-19 13:36:02 <Keefe> heh
1567 2011-02-19 13:36:04 <genjix> remember secret question + alt email too
1568 2011-02-19 13:36:06 <lfm> lol
1569 2011-02-19 13:36:09 <ArtForz> looks like he only fooled 3 victims
1570 2011-02-19 13:36:28 * genjix pokes Sirius 
1571 2011-02-19 13:36:36 <Blitzboom> and i’m one of them :(
1572 2011-02-19 13:36:37 <genjix> we need sticky @ this
1573 2011-02-19 13:36:52 <LtBrenton> \o/ i'm in as well XD
1574 2011-02-19 13:36:55 <Blitzboom> it’s too fucking easy
1575 2011-02-19 13:37:27 <LtBrenton> Blitzboom, would it be immoral to harvest that 77 coin wallet? >_>
1576 2011-02-19 13:37:38 <Blitzboom> whose wallet?
1577 2011-02-19 13:37:40 <LtBrenton> given we have no idea who sent it
1578 2011-02-19 13:37:49 <Blitzboom> oh
1579 2011-02-19 13:37:53 <Blitzboom> no, not at all
1580 2011-02-19 13:37:57 <LtBrenton> alright
1581 2011-02-19 13:37:59 <LtBrenton> i'm claiming
1582 2011-02-19 13:38:01 <Blitzboom> 77 coins in it, LtBrenton?
1583 2011-02-19 13:38:05 <LtBrenton> Blitzboom, yeah
1584 2011-02-19 13:38:10 <genjix> thats somebodies wallet
1585 2011-02-19 13:38:13 <LtBrenton> unless that was yours
1586 2011-02-19 13:38:15 <genjix> at least advertise it first
1587 2011-02-19 13:38:24 <Keefe> are you going to take the btc and see if you can figure out whose it was to give back to?
1588 2011-02-19 13:38:33 <Blitzboom> i mean givei t back to the victim
1589 2011-02-19 13:38:35 <Blitzboom> no, wait
1590 2011-02-19 13:38:41 <Keefe> take the btc asap, so the scammer can't spend it
1591 2011-02-19 13:38:42 <Blitzboom> share it and givie each victim 1/3
1592 2011-02-19 13:38:44 <BlueMatt> sounds like a much better idea than letting the russian take it
1593 2011-02-19 13:38:56 <Blitzboom> so TAKE IT
1594 2011-02-19 13:39:01 <BlueMatt> any guesses as to the mail.ru password?
1595 2011-02-19 13:39:03 <LtBrenton> alright, one sec lemme load it
1596 2011-02-19 13:39:10 <BlueMatt> sounds like a more personal one than the gmail
1597 2011-02-19 13:40:19 <Blitzboom> hmm. would be awesome if you could get into it
1598 2011-02-19 13:40:23 booo has joined
1599 2011-02-19 13:40:27 <Blitzboom> do we know his forum acc?
1600 2011-02-19 13:40:35 <LtBrenton> ...@_@ i just received 20 coins from nowhere on this wallet
1601 2011-02-19 13:40:35 <noagendamarket> what was this about a scam ?
1602 2011-02-19 13:40:53 <BlueMatt> a "backup" script copies wallet.dats to an email address
1603 2011-02-19 13:40:59 <BlueMatt> stole Blitzboom's coins
1604 2011-02-19 13:41:18 <noagendamarket> hmm.
1605 2011-02-19 13:41:25 <genjix> he still has you keys so send your coins to a new address NOW
1606 2011-02-19 13:41:30 <noagendamarket> is that the one advertised on otc ?
1607 2011-02-19 13:41:35 <LtBrenton> alright
1608 2011-02-19 13:41:43 <ArtForz> and dont use a address generated using that wallet (duh)
1609 2011-02-19 13:41:55 <booo> someone tried to port bitcoind to openwrt?
1610 2011-02-19 13:41:57 <Blitzboom> these wallets are fucked
1611 2011-02-19 13:41:59 <scsich_> can you open up the ip log in gmail to see what IP he's hitting it from?
1612 2011-02-19 13:42:00 <genjix> i can provide a temp address if you need one
1613 2011-02-19 13:42:04 <genjix> just PM me.
1614 2011-02-19 13:42:04 <Blitzboom> once the key is out it is fucked
1615 2011-02-19 13:42:36 <LtBrenton> guys, it seems that 77 coiner got emptied
1616 2011-02-19 13:42:43 <Blitzboom> now?!
1617 2011-02-19 13:42:44 <LtBrenton> it just received 20 from an unknown source
1618 2011-02-19 13:42:51 <LtBrenton> yeah by the time i loaded it it was empty
1619 2011-02-19 13:42:57 <davex__> the author is probably sitting here reading this conversation
1620 2011-02-19 13:43:02 <Blitzboom> he must be here in the channel, lol
1621 2011-02-19 13:43:02 <genjix> yep :p
1622 2011-02-19 13:43:04 <scsich_> also, point an IMAP downloader at the account and get originals off all the send mail folder
1623 2011-02-19 13:43:07 <BlueMatt> is it you davex__?
1624 2011-02-19 13:43:11 <davex__> haha
1625 2011-02-19 13:43:11 <davex__> no
1626 2011-02-19 13:43:14 <noagendamarket> lol
1627 2011-02-19 13:43:18 <genjix> that's what you would say!
1628 2011-02-19 13:43:22 <davex__> very true
1629 2011-02-19 13:43:22 <genjix> ... BlueMatt !
1630 2011-02-19 13:43:27 <LtBrenton> haha i'm a dick though
1631 2011-02-19 13:43:30 <LtBrenton> i just overwrote my own
1632 2011-02-19 13:43:36 <LtBrenton> goodbye 0.23 coins
1633 2011-02-19 13:43:38 <LtBrenton> XD
1634 2011-02-19 13:43:45 <BlueMatt> 2 gmail accounts w/ same pass safer.mail.ever and bitcoin.backup with pass "Goran Zvetkovic (22:41:38 17/02/2011)Goran Zvetkovic (22:41:38 17/02/2011)"
1635 2011-02-19 13:44:01 <BlueMatt> nothing interesting in either except for the wallet backups
1636 2011-02-19 13:44:06 <LtBrenton> but yeah
1637 2011-02-19 13:44:11 <genjix> nobody can be dumb as fuck to put their real name there
1638 2011-02-19 13:44:18 <LtBrenton> i'm giving it an hour for somebody to claim
1639 2011-02-19 13:44:30 <genjix> but considering how this has been done, idk
1640 2011-02-19 13:44:33 <Blitzboom> and then?
1641 2011-02-19 13:44:39 <genjix> LtBrenton: leave it for a day
1642 2011-02-19 13:44:47 <genjix> that's just dick if you steal somebody's money
1643 2011-02-19 13:44:50 <ArtForz> genjix: especially considering the passwords wouldnt even be needed...
1644 2011-02-19 13:44:59 <lfm> LtBrenton: who have you giveen addresses to?
1645 2011-02-19 13:45:05 <BlueMatt> sent some mail to tolsi.ru@gmail.com backupbitcoins@insorg-mail.info katyabor1@mail.ru
1646 2011-02-19 13:45:14 <BlueMatt> the safer.mail.ever did
1647 2011-02-19 13:45:28 <LtBrenton> genjix: well i'm thudding the 20 coins out to a safer place
1648 2011-02-19 13:45:34 <LtBrenton> i'll hold them in my mtgox account for now
1649 2011-02-19 13:45:35 <Blitzboom> no man
1650 2011-02-19 13:45:39 <Blitzboom> send them now
1651 2011-02-19 13:45:54 <Blitzboom> or did you already? that wallet’s public
1652 2011-02-19 13:46:03 * noagendamarket wonders how long till someone writes a virus that steals bitcoin wallets
1653 2011-02-19 13:46:17 <LtBrenton> Blitzboom, i just emptied it to my mtgox
1654 2011-02-19 13:46:19 <BlueMatt> I believe Mr Zvetkovic did
1655 2011-02-19 13:46:28 <Blitzboom> ok
1656 2011-02-19 13:46:32 <lfm> noagendamarket: or how long since
1657 2011-02-19 13:46:46 <BlueMatt> Ok, someone want to guess his mail.ru password or his insorg-mail.info one?
1658 2011-02-19 13:47:07 <Blitzboom> if noone reclaims it, i’d be happy to be refunded a part of my lost coins. i had 150 there >_>
1659 2011-02-19 13:47:07 <Keefe> LtBrenton: so only one wallet had btc?
1660 2011-02-19 13:47:25 <BlueMatt> dam insorg-mail.info account cleared
1661 2011-02-19 13:47:59 gasteve has joined
1662 2011-02-19 13:48:02 <genjix> not much info in this account
1663 2011-02-19 13:48:09 <genjix> Haha: (: (: (: (:
1664 2011-02-19 13:48:22 <genjix> russians don't use : in their smileys
1665 2011-02-19 13:48:22 <nathan7> o:
1666 2011-02-19 13:48:38 <genjix> they do like )) blaa blaa ))))
1667 2011-02-19 13:48:45 <nathan7> so how do you know if ( is :( or (:?
1668 2011-02-19 13:48:47 <BlueMatt> so tolsi.ru@gmail.com and katyabor1@mail.ru appear to be the scammers more private accounts
1669 2011-02-19 13:49:57 <LtBrenton> i can't get into that gmail anymore
1670 2011-02-19 13:50:02 <LtBrenton> so can't check the others
1671 2011-02-19 13:50:03 <Keefe> two of the three wallets are the same
1672 2011-02-19 13:50:13 <Keefe> the other is blitz's
1673 2011-02-19 13:50:26 <Blitzboom> ok. then refund me if he doen’t reclaim :P
1674 2011-02-19 13:50:33 <LtBrenton> Blitzboom, it already got emptied?
1675 2011-02-19 13:50:37 <genjix> ok i have his IP address
1676 2011-02-19 13:50:38 <Blitzboom> yes
1677 2011-02-19 13:50:41 <genjix> 91.203.66.66
1678 2011-02-19 13:50:44 <genjix> Russia
1679 2011-02-19 13:50:44 <Blitzboom> totally emptied
1680 2011-02-19 13:50:53 <LtBrenton> > 66.66
1681 2011-02-19 13:50:56 <LtBrenton> > 66.6
1682 2011-02-19 13:50:57 <LtBrenton> > 666
1683 2011-02-19 13:50:59 <LtBrenton> @_@
1684 2011-02-19 13:51:11 <BlueMatt> genjix: how?
1685 2011-02-19 13:51:11 <Blitzboom> LtBrenton, query
1686 2011-02-19 13:51:39 <genjix> sorry i booted you all out of the account
1687 2011-02-19 13:51:43 <genjix> because he was logged on.
1688 2011-02-19 13:52:04 <BlueMatt> about 10 of us were logged in
1689 2011-02-19 13:52:05 <genjix> did you download the wallets and send them to a new address yet?
1690 2011-02-19 13:52:18 <genjix> actually it was 4 (me, him, an austrian and an american)
1691 2011-02-19 13:52:34 <BlueMatt> im in germany and was
1692 2011-02-19 13:52:37 <Keefe> american was probably me
1693 2011-02-19 13:52:49 <BlueMatt> oh no sorry i was on the safer.mail.ever one
1694 2011-02-19 13:52:58 <BlueMatt> how does one see the logged in list
1695 2011-02-19 13:53:31 <Keefe> genjix: in the gmail acct was two wallets, one was twice. LtBrenton took 20 btc from one, and the other (blitz's) was already cleaned out
1696 2011-02-19 13:53:41 <BlueMatt> 91.203.66.66 1 day ago and 2 days ago on safer.mail.ever
1697 2011-02-19 13:53:52 <BlueMatt> yep thats gotta be his ip
1698 2011-02-19 13:54:01 <ArtForz> hahaha
1699 2011-02-19 13:54:10 <ArtForz> gotta love amateurs
1700 2011-02-19 13:54:18 <BlueMatt> theres actually 7 mails
1701 2011-02-19 13:54:28 <BlueMatt> more in safer.mail.ever's sent box
1702 2011-02-19 13:54:51 <Keefe> BlueMatt: did you already download and empty the wallets?
1703 2011-02-19 13:54:57 <BlueMatt> working
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1705 2011-02-19 13:56:49 <BlueMatt> is there an equiv to -rescan in 0.3.19?
1706 2011-02-19 13:56:56 <ArtForz> nope
1707 2011-02-19 13:56:57 <Blitzboom> no
1708 2011-02-19 13:57:06 <Blitzboom> you delete the .dat
1709 2011-02-19 13:57:28 <BlueMatt> yea and have to wait for the blocks to redl?
1710 2011-02-19 13:57:43 <ArtForz> so use .20 and -rescan, duh
1711 2011-02-19 13:57:58 <BlueMatt> dl link?
1712 2011-02-19 13:58:07 <lfm> ya quicker to download 0.3.20 than the blk chain once
1713 2011-02-19 13:58:20 <BlueMatt> is there a copy on the github?
1714 2011-02-19 13:58:50 dust1 has joined
1715 2011-02-19 13:58:53 <BlueMatt> zenmap his ip, theres alot open
1716 2011-02-19 13:58:54 <BlueMatt> Discovered open port 22/tcp on 91.203.66.66
1717 2011-02-19 13:58:54 <BlueMatt> Discovered open port 139/tcp on 91.203.66.66
1718 2011-02-19 13:58:54 <BlueMatt> Discovered open port 3306/tcp on 91.203.66.66
1719 2011-02-19 13:58:54 <BlueMatt> Discovered open port 1723/tcp on 91.203.66.66
1720 2011-02-19 13:58:54 <BlueMatt> Discovered open port 445/tcp on 91.203.66.66
1721 2011-02-19 13:58:56 <BlueMatt> Discovered open port 8085/tcp on 91.203.66.66
1722 2011-02-19 13:58:58 <BlueMatt> Discovered open port 901/tcp on 91.203.66.66
1723 2011-02-19 13:59:00 <lfm> http://master.dl.sourceforge.net/project/bitcoin/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.3.20/bitcoin-0.3.20-win32-setup.exe
1724 2011-02-19 13:59:04 <BlueMatt> linux
1725 2011-02-19 13:59:09 <BlueMatt> incl 22 (ssh)
1726 2011-02-19 13:59:57 <BlueMatt> hes running FreeBSD
1727 2011-02-19 14:00:01 <genjix> 91.203.66.66
1728 2011-02-19 14:00:02 <BlueMatt> well a freebsd fw
1729 2011-02-19 14:00:20 <lfm> try git then
1730 2011-02-19 14:00:22 <BlueMatt> w/ public samba mpd mysql etc public
1731 2011-02-19 14:01:13 <genjix> germany (93.199.110.205), United Kingdom (81.174.129.97) <- these people were scammed.
1732 2011-02-19 14:01:19 <Blitzboom> BlueMatt: yes yo have to wait
1733 2011-02-19 14:01:23 <Blitzboom> until ALL of them are read
1734 2011-02-19 14:01:30 <Blitzboom> and then transactions come in
1735 2011-02-19 14:01:31 mbarkhau has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1736 2011-02-19 14:01:39 <Blitzboom> so be patient
1737 2011-02-19 14:01:49 mbarkhau has joined
1738 2011-02-19 14:02:07 <BlueMatt> no i got 0.3.20
1739 2011-02-19 14:02:20 mtgox2 has joined
1740 2011-02-19 14:02:34 <lfm> not sure how long -rescan take
1741 2011-02-19 14:02:37 <genjix> mpd? music player daemon?
1742 2011-02-19 14:02:43 <genjix> lolwut why would that be public?
1743 2011-02-19 14:02:54 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,gen 250000 186
1744 2011-02-19 14:02:55 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
1745 2011-02-19 14:03:01 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,gen 250000á 186
1746 2011-02-19 14:03:02 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
1747 2011-02-19 14:03:04 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,gen 250000, 186
1748 2011-02-19 14:03:05 <gribble> Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
1749 2011-02-19 14:03:19 <lfm> ;;bc,gend 250000, 186
1750 2011-02-19 14:03:19 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
1751 2011-02-19 14:03:23 <[Tycho]> How to calculate at given difficulty ?
1752 2011-02-19 14:03:30 <ArtForz> lose the , after 250000
1753 2011-02-19 14:03:33 <lfm> ;;bc,gend 250000 186
1754 2011-02-19 14:03:33 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 250000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 186, is 1351.91986638 BTC per day and 56.3299944324 BTC per hour.
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1756 2011-02-19 14:03:43 <[Tycho]> Thanks.
1757 2011-02-19 14:03:57 <BlueMatt> just got 104.36 off the scammer
1758 2011-02-19 14:04:00 <BlueMatt> looking for more
1759 2011-02-19 14:04:14 <> Animeking|!~kvirc@c-174-61-77-1.hsd1.fl.comcast.net|@_@ jesus, I've been running this thing for days, its been fully utilizing my GPU for days and so far I got nothing, I knew this was gonna be difficult but christ. XD
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1761 2011-02-19 14:04:25 <> Animeking|!~kvirc@c-174-61-77-1.hsd1.fl.comcast.net|This is hillarious
1762 2011-02-19 14:04:29 <lfm> BlueMatt: keep notes so owners might reclaim
1763 2011-02-19 14:04:47 <BlueMatt> note time i really have to go but im just getting what i can for now
1764 2011-02-19 14:05:12 <BlueMatt> ill keep the wallets for analysis later
1765 2011-02-19 14:05:25 <Keefe> more btc is still coming into one of the gmail ones
1766 2011-02-19 14:05:37 <BlueMatt> get it into one of your accounts
1767 2011-02-19 14:05:42 <Keefe> assuming from slush's pool, so maybe he can help id the owner
1768 2011-02-19 14:05:55 <gasteve> What was this guy scamming?
1769 2011-02-19 14:06:13 <BlueMatt> someone do a forum post so that people can claim their losses
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1772 2011-02-19 14:07:10 <[Tycho]> BlueMatt, where did you get that trojan ?
1773 2011-02-19 14:07:30 <BlueMatt> wasnt me it was Blitzboom
1774 2011-02-19 14:07:45 <lfm> gasteve a trojan bitcoin backup
1775 2011-02-19 14:08:35 <Blitzboom> i got it in the forum
1776 2011-02-19 14:08:39 <Blitzboom> there was a thread
1777 2011-02-19 14:08:57 <Blitzboom> the tool was supposed to backup to your dropbox and send it to your mail
1778 2011-02-19 14:09:01 <Blitzboom> gmail he said
1779 2011-02-19 14:09:15 <Blitzboom> i can’t find the thread anymore, but there were a few posts already in it at this time
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1781 2011-02-19 14:09:33 <Blitzboom> it was yesterday. i thought I would’ve deleted the wallet myself somehow
1782 2011-02-19 14:10:22 <BlueMatt> ok i have 104.36 thats all i got from him, if someone claims it ill transfer when i get back later
1783 2011-02-19 14:10:32 <Keefe> all from one wallet?
1784 2011-02-19 14:18:44 gasteve has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi)
1785 2011-02-19 14:20:58 <Blitzboom> BlueMatt: i claim a share of this as a victim :P
1786 2011-02-19 14:22:32 <Keefe> why should that wallet owner get less?
1787 2011-02-19 14:23:02 <Blitzboom> oh, it was a victim’s wallet?
1788 2011-02-19 14:23:07 <Keefe> imagine the roles reversed
1789 2011-02-19 14:23:15 TD_ has joined
1790 2011-02-19 14:23:16 <Blitzboom> yeah, i see
1791 2011-02-19 14:23:51 Phoebus has joined
1792 2011-02-19 14:23:53 <Blitzboom> it’s just that he could’ve gotten 0
1793 2011-02-19 14:24:07 <Blitzboom> but anyway, i’m not greedy
1794 2011-02-19 14:24:22 <Blitzboom> enough bitcoins for me to be generated
1795 2011-02-19 14:24:30 hozer has joined
1796 2011-02-19 14:25:32 <BlueMatt> oh wait the wallet i took from appears to be the scammers wallet
1797 2011-02-19 14:25:40 <BlueMatt> I guess he tested the trojacn
1798 2011-02-19 14:25:43 <BlueMatt> trojan*
1799 2011-02-19 14:25:47 <ArtForz> *headdesk*
1800 2011-02-19 14:25:52 <Blitzboom> haha oh wow
1801 2011-02-19 14:25:55 <Keefe> haha
1802 2011-02-19 14:26:05 <Blitzboom> that’s what i would redistribute to the victims
1803 2011-02-19 14:26:07 <Keefe> BlueMatt: 104.36 or 104.26?
1804 2011-02-19 14:26:11 <BlueMatt> I have +100 and +4.26 and +50, thats you blitzboom right?
1805 2011-02-19 14:26:18 <BlueMatt> 104.36
1806 2011-02-19 14:26:22 <Blitzboom> yes!
1807 2011-02-19 14:26:29 <Keefe> i saw 0.26 fly by the wallet i'm watching
1808 2011-02-19 14:26:37 <Blitzboom> although 50 missing, BlueMatt
1809 2011-02-19 14:26:39 <BlueMatt> not this one
1810 2011-02-19 14:27:09 <Blitzboom> you can send it to 1N7aMEBgsPMrw8crcpqpErFACSeztwJ24p
1811 2011-02-19 14:27:09 <BlueMatt> looks like he transferred 50 to 1NrSpr1A7... and 1N3DDnrpQ...
1812 2011-02-19 14:27:17 <BlueMatt> will do once its confirmed
1813 2011-02-19 14:27:18 <Keefe> http://blockexplorer.com/tx/15df97191066fc432fcf2b7da02de563c623bdd6c7ec26003321c11f1fc4bae8#o0
1814 2011-02-19 14:27:28 <Blitzboom> thanks a lot blue
1815 2011-02-19 14:27:30 <Blitzboom> BlueMatt:
1816 2011-02-19 14:27:52 <BlueMatt> 14zJPSy3zDM1Sf5TsNJh4LQQuXj5Ue3guu is me
1817 2011-02-19 14:28:10 <BlueMatt> I have an outstanding .36 to be transffered to there too
1818 2011-02-19 14:28:42 <Keefe> why did 14zJPS not receive all 104.26?
1819 2011-02-19 14:29:12 <Keefe> and the 0.26 went to the wallet i'm watching, then got spent right away
1820 2011-02-19 14:29:15 <noagendamarket> this is awesome
1821 2011-02-19 14:29:16 <BlueMatt> I accidentily sent 104 first then .36 later
1822 2011-02-19 14:29:37 <Keefe> http://blockexplorer.com/address/1DgsgSSRQDYV2VaANxEXzo1wrrRz9PUw1x
1823 2011-02-19 14:29:42 <noagendamarket> someone should do a write up for bitcoin blogger about how a scammer got scammed lol
1824 2011-02-19 14:29:48 <Blitzboom> oh, you sent it to my old wallet?
1825 2011-02-19 14:29:55 <BlueMatt> I might write a forum post too
1826 2011-02-19 14:30:03 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: no i sent it to my current wallet
1827 2011-02-19 14:30:16 <BlueMatt> will transfer to you when you get yourself a new one, etc and when its confirmed
1828 2011-02-19 14:30:18 <Blitzboom> ok, that would’ve been idiotic
1829 2011-02-19 14:30:55 <Blitzboom> like i said: 1N7aMEBgsPMrw8crcpqpErFACSeztwJ24p
1830 2011-02-19 14:31:02 <BlueMatt> Will do
1831 2011-02-19 14:31:03 <Blitzboom> that’s in my NEW wallet
1832 2011-02-19 14:31:09 <Blitzboom> thanks. your my saviour
1833 2011-02-19 14:31:11 <ArtForz> I think this one is a candidate for "most incompetent scammer. ever." award
1834 2011-02-19 14:31:22 <BlueMatt> Not quite, buy close
1835 2011-02-19 14:31:39 <BlueMatt> did you see the video of the guy who sshed into a honeypot and did a bunch of random stuff before logging out
1836 2011-02-19 14:31:42 <noagendamarket> ArtForz its a comedy of errors
1837 2011-02-19 14:31:49 <BlueMatt> incl dlding xpsp3 to a linux machine
1838 2011-02-19 14:31:52 <Blitzboom> the other 50 won’t be found i guess, BlueMatt?
1839 2011-02-19 14:31:55 <noagendamarket> yeah that was funny
1840 2011-02-19 14:31:58 <BlueMatt> I dont have it
1841 2011-02-19 14:32:01 <BlueMatt> or see it
1842 2011-02-19 14:32:15 <Blitzboom> it was sent somewhere else
1843 2011-02-19 14:32:21 <scsich_> bluematt: the honepot video is hilarious
1844 2011-02-19 14:32:38 gasteve has joined
1845 2011-02-19 14:32:41 <Keefe> do i have this right... the scammer tested his trojan with his own wallet, then later sent 100 btc from Blitzboom's wallet to his, which we just took back?
1846 2011-02-19 14:32:47 <ArtForz> yes
1847 2011-02-19 14:32:55 <Keefe> haha
1848 2011-02-19 14:32:58 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom 30 went to 1N3DDnrpQkUdEhTNGFGU572TpMqfcLwSFD and 20 to1NrSpr1A7wuiZM1GBH2KSJtNerSH2jFdWR
1849 2011-02-19 14:33:03 <BlueMatt> not too long ago too
1850 2011-02-19 14:33:12 <BlueMatt> Keefe: yep
1851 2011-02-19 14:33:13 <Blitzboom> ok, thanks
1852 2011-02-19 14:33:23 <Blitzboom> guess you don’t have that in his email accounts
1853 2011-02-19 14:33:32 <BlueMatt> i have one of his
1854 2011-02-19 14:33:43 <BlueMatt> Im not sure who changed the pass on the other, but I changed one
1855 2011-02-19 14:33:46 <Blitzboom> but what you found is awesome already
1856 2011-02-19 14:34:11 <BlueMatt> Ima look into real hacking later, he has a bunch of shit publicly accessible :)
1857 2011-02-19 14:34:18 <BlueMatt> 91.203.66.66
1858 2011-02-19 14:34:20 <Blitzboom> that scammer should lurk more in this channel
1859 2011-02-19 14:34:27 <LtBrenton> Keefe: oh my dear god
1860 2011-02-19 14:34:29 <BlueMatt> I hope hes not here now
1861 2011-02-19 14:34:30 <LtBrenton> we just won the internet
1862 2011-02-19 14:34:47 <Blitzboom> i hope so too
1863 2011-02-19 14:34:51 <BlueMatt> He also has 1.09 pending from an address marked mining, will try to get that too
1864 2011-02-19 14:34:57 <Blitzboom> maybe we should go to another channel for this
1865 2011-02-19 14:35:04 <BlueMatt> #bitcoin-scammer
1866 2011-02-19 14:35:20 <hozer> well, make sure #bitcoin-scammer gets logged too ;)
1867 2011-02-19 14:35:33 <BlueMatt> Will do
1868 2011-02-19 14:35:36 <LtBrenton> this is history in the making
1869 2011-02-19 14:35:40 <hozer> should teach some of these morons a lesson... Dont' try to scam crypto-currency hackers
1870 2011-02-19 14:35:49 <BlueMatt> hozer: yea...
1871 2011-02-19 14:36:03 <noagendamarket> this is full of win
1872 2011-02-19 14:36:10 <LtBrenton> is this the first time somebody's ripped a bunch of bitcoiners off and gotten severely owned in the process?
1873 2011-02-19 14:36:53 <BlueMatt> probably
1874 2011-02-19 14:37:01 <BlueMatt>  Also is there a client which can transfer before the second confirmation (should work, but the main client wont let you)
1875 2011-02-19 14:38:29 <Blitzboom> cool, i’m so avantgarde
1876 2011-02-19 14:38:37 <Blitzboom> ;_;
1877 2011-02-19 14:39:00 <Blitzboom> >Dont' try to scam crypto-currency hackers
1878 2011-02-19 14:39:12 <Blitzboom> yeah, i really like how the community deals with this
1879 2011-02-19 14:39:38 <hozer> wait, wait.. DO try to scam us, it provides priceless entertainment value
1880 2011-02-19 14:40:02 <BlueMatt> except Blitzboom lost 50 btc
1881 2011-02-19 14:40:23 <Blitzboom> i would’ve lost >150
1882 2011-02-19 14:40:32 <hozer> ugh. yeah.
1883 2011-02-19 14:40:57 <hozer> which makes me think maybe a client with a two-factor auth token might be a nice feature
1884 2011-02-19 14:41:09 <hozer> anyone every used cryptocards?
1885 2011-02-19 14:42:17 <hozer> have a bitcoind on a piece of tamper-resistant embedded hardware seems like a good idea now
1886 2011-02-19 14:42:31 gasteve has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi)
1887 2011-02-19 14:43:38 <hozer> Blitzboom: Please write this up and post it somewhere... it would be good for analysis and finding out ways to improve the client
1888 2011-02-19 14:44:50 <BlueMatt> hozer Blitzboom I will
1889 2011-02-19 14:45:00 <BlueMatt> post it later, after were sure we wont get anything else
1890 2011-02-19 14:45:17 <Blitzboom> i hope we learn from it
1891 2011-02-19 14:45:25 <Blitzboom> well, i did …
1892 2011-02-19 14:47:38 <gwillen> yeah, please do write up -- I missed the beginning of this, but it sounds important.
1893 2011-02-19 14:48:53 <UukGoblin> lol someone made a trojaned "backup" tool? :-]
1894 2011-02-19 14:51:15 <BlueMatt> UukGoblin: yea
1895 2011-02-19 14:53:21 jnd has joined
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1897 2011-02-19 14:53:50 <UukGoblin> should really be better built-into the stock client
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1899 2011-02-19 14:55:03 <genjix> UukGoblin: im working on it ;)
1900 2011-02-19 14:55:11 <UukGoblin> genjix, awesome
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1904 2011-02-19 14:55:25 <BlueMatt> join #bitcoin-scammer
1905 2011-02-19 14:56:02 <genjix> UukGoblin: but will be strictly experimental since i'm worried about security holes.
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1907 2011-02-19 15:03:32 <UukGoblin> genjix, really what it needs is a file dialog to pick an argument to the 'backupwallet' RPC call
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1909 2011-02-19 15:29:02 <jnd> I'm using poclbm miner and getting often "Warning: overflow encountered in uint_scalars", is it serious problem or can I leave it like that?
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1911 2011-02-19 15:30:16 <BlueMatt> So apparently someone in here took 30 coins from the scammers wallet and transferred them to 1N3DDnrpQkUdEhTNGFGU572TpMqfcLwSFD
1912 2011-02-19 15:30:33 altamic has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1913 2011-02-19 15:30:42 <genjix> UukGoblin: really? i'm making some kind of web service which uploads wallet automatically
1914 2011-02-19 15:31:28 altamic has joined
1915 2011-02-19 15:31:29 <BlueMatt> Did someone recently send 1.1 BTC to 1N3DDnrpQkUdEhTNGFGU572TpMqfcLwSFD?
1916 2011-02-19 15:31:39 <UukGoblin> genjix, oh, that way
1917 2011-02-19 15:31:50 <genjix> yeah with encryption .etc
1918 2011-02-19 15:32:51 <Blitzboom> i (as i’m the victim) ask whover took that 30 BTC to send them to 1BexQCRTh2EeAQHWbWqKyWJDgZ7Uo55cUG
1919 2011-02-19 15:32:56 <Blitzboom> and to keep a bit fore himself
1920 2011-02-19 15:32:59 <Blitzboom> for*
1921 2011-02-19 15:33:10 <Blitzboom> thanks
1922 2011-02-19 15:33:20 <BlueMatt> Who sent 48.66 to 1N4Gbz8YUP9ae6jzpZqvu5cNTc8FMAQpo3?
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1924 2011-02-19 15:34:39 <ArtForz> that somehow looks like a pool address
1925 2011-02-19 15:35:47 <ArtForz> or botnet or something
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1927 2011-02-19 15:36:18 <ArtForz> looks like a pool
1928 2011-02-19 15:36:37 <ArtForz> 12WFtKBsRLtV8p1NwRqe7YwYdi1rjwTZhA does
1929 2011-02-19 15:37:42 <ArtForz> lol, thats slushs pool :P
1930 2011-02-19 15:44:01 <BlueMatt> Has anyone ever done business with 12WFtKBsRLtV8p1NwRqe7YwYdi1rjwTZhA?
1931 2011-02-19 15:44:14 <ArtForz> thats slushs pool
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1933 2011-02-19 15:44:28 <BlueMatt> Odd
1934 2011-02-19 15:44:43 <ArtForz> why?
1935 2011-02-19 15:45:18 <BlueMatt> He paid someone who has 30 of Blitz's
1936 2011-02-19 15:45:23 <ArtForz> compare "blocks found by pool" timstamps on slushs stats pages to the blocks that pay into 12WFt...
1937 2011-02-19 15:45:25 <ArtForz> yep
1938 2011-02-19 15:45:42 <BlueMatt> He paid out 1.1 to 1N3DDnrpQkUdEhTNGFGU572TpMqfcLwSFD
1939 2011-02-19 15:45:48 <BlueMatt> who also has 30 of Blitzboom
1940 2011-02-19 15:45:53 <ArtForz> so probably 1N3DDnrpQkUdEhTNGFGU572TpMqfcLwSFD is an addr regged by a pool worker
1941 2011-02-19 15:46:08 <BlueMatt> Exactly
1942 2011-02-19 15:46:20 <luke-jr> genjix: so how do I convince you to use Gitorious too? :P
1943 2011-02-19 15:46:42 <genjix> luke-jr: no need, I've been considering it myself too because they release the code
1944 2011-02-19 15:47:04 <genjix> just didn't get around to it cos i felt comfortable with github :p
1945 2011-02-19 15:47:12 <ArtForz> timing also fits for a pool payout
1946 2011-02-19 15:47:17 <luke-jr> genjix: do you have a username I can transfer the spesmilo repo to? :P
1947 2011-02-19 15:47:35 <genjix> maybe genjix? let me check
1948 2011-02-19 15:48:49 <luke-jr> genjix: gitorious not only releases the code, but they don't require you to finance a legal battle if they get sued over it :P
1949 2011-02-19 15:49:28 <genjix> i would love to see someone try to sue me.
1950 2011-02-19 15:49:37 <luke-jr> no
1951 2011-02-19 15:49:42 <genjix> i just slip underground and give them the 2 fingers
1952 2011-02-19 15:49:52 <genjix> gfy
1953 2011-02-19 15:49:57 <luke-jr> if someone sues *GitHub*, the TOS you agree to requires *you* to make their legal defense at your expense
1954 2011-02-19 15:50:30 <genjix> i care not :p love to see them try.
1955 2011-02-19 15:50:39 <luke-jr> anyhow, you have full access to http://gitorious.org/bitcoin/spesmilo now
1956 2011-02-19 15:50:50 <luke-jr> genjix: I take my agreements seriously :P
1957 2011-02-19 15:50:51 <BlueMatt> ;;seen slush
1958 2011-02-19 15:50:51 <gribble> slush was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 1 day, 8 hours, and 45 seconds ago: <slush> ok
1959 2011-02-19 15:51:59 <genjix> ok cool
1960 2011-02-19 15:54:50 <luke-jr> I agreed to buy 90 BTC for $90 from someone a few days ago, and plan to honour that too when he gets his 90 BTC
1961 2011-02-19 15:55:06 <genjix> git remote add gitor git://gitorious.org/bitcoin/spesmilo.git
1962 2011-02-19 15:55:18 <genjix> i forgot the syntax to fetch that into a branch
1963 2011-02-19 15:55:18 <luke-jr> genjix: you'll want to add the SSH one to psuh
1964 2011-02-19 15:55:32 <luke-jr> git remote add gitorious git@gitorious.org:bitcoin/spesmilo.git
1965 2011-02-19 15:55:51 <genjix> now how do I fetch that again? :p
1966 2011-02-19 15:56:37 <luke-jr> git pull gitorious +master:master +tonal:tonal
1967 2011-02-19 15:56:45 <luke-jr> I think that will fetch both branches to your local repo
1968 2011-02-19 15:56:57 <genjix> ok git getch gitor :p
1969 2011-02-19 15:57:57 <luke-jr> you may want to rename 'gitor' to 'origin' at some point
1970 2011-02-19 15:58:03 <luke-jr> since that's what git uses by default
1971 2011-02-19 15:58:14 <RBecker> ;;bc,stats
1972 2011-02-19 15:58:14 <luke-jr> otherwise you have to do 'git push gitor' instead of 'git push'
1973 2011-02-19 15:58:16 <gribble> Current Blocks: 109133 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 1746 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 7 hours, 35 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47636.97201610
1974 2011-02-19 15:58:23 <genjix> yep
1975 2011-02-19 15:58:57 <luke-jr> genjix: FWIW, the tonal branch now supports sending both BTC and TBC
1976 2011-02-19 15:59:19 <luke-jr> even if settings force everythign to be displayed in one or the other :p
1977 2011-02-19 15:59:44 <luke-jr> sending TBC requires RPCv1 server ofc
1978 2011-02-19 16:00:06 <luke-jr> also, everything is using base units as an integer type internally now
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1980 2011-02-19 16:00:24 <luke-jr> and the conversion to BTC uses the Decimal type, which lacks binary floating-point issues
1981 2011-02-19 16:01:30 <genjix> thanks for keeping tonal in a seperate branch :p  - many people would complain otherwise (silly I know)
1982 2011-02-19 16:02:02 <luke-jr> genjix: hopefully temporary
1983 2011-02-19 16:02:10 <luke-jr> genjix: when you get a chance, review it for merging? :P
1984 2011-02-19 16:02:16 <luke-jr> make sure I didn't miss anything
1985 2011-02-19 16:03:07 <luke-jr> there ARE some non-Tonal-specific fixes that got in there :/
1986 2011-02-19 16:03:19 <luke-jr> for example, fixing settings tab ordering, and using Decimal for BTC
1987 2011-02-19 16:04:08 * luke-jr ponders how to make settings changable during runtime
1988 2011-02-19 16:04:41 <luke-jr> non-trivial if someone changes the core URI
1989 2011-02-19 16:12:24 <davex__> what happens if a difficulty adjustment makes power costs for GPU mining higher than value of bitcoins generated?  Blocks would get solved really slow for the next 1024?
1990 2011-02-19 16:12:26 <genjix> git config --global alias.lol "log --pretty=oneline --abbrev-commit --graph --decorate"
1991 2011-02-19 16:12:32 <genjix> do that :)
1992 2011-02-19 16:12:35 <genjix> then type git lol
1993 2011-02-19 16:12:58 <Blitzboom> someone delete someone needs to delete http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3596 and ban that guy
1994 2011-02-19 16:13:02 <Blitzboom> oops
1995 2011-02-19 16:13:06 <ArtForz> davex__: not everyone has the same power cost, so it'll prolly be incremental
1996 2011-02-19 16:13:13 <Blitzboom> any forum mods active here?
1997 2011-02-19 16:13:22 <ArtForz> s/it'll/it'd/
1998 2011-02-19 16:13:40 <luke-jr> genjix: nice
1999 2011-02-19 16:14:43 <genjix> http://git.or.cz/course/svn.html  <- also enable colours in git if you don't have them.
2000 2011-02-19 16:14:57 <ArtForz> ;;seen gavinandresen
2001 2011-02-19 16:14:58 <gribble> gavinandresen was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 21 hours, 10 minutes, and 1 second ago: <gavinandresen> mmarker: or   https://gist.github.com/604574
2002 2011-02-19 16:15:12 <Blitzboom> seriously, the official client needs a backup-feature
2003 2011-02-19 16:15:32 <ArtForz> err, it already has one
2004 2011-02-19 16:15:37 <luke-jr> Blitzboom: s/official/original
2005 2011-02-19 16:15:53 <ArtForz> just not in GUI yet
2006 2011-02-19 16:16:00 <Blitzboom> ArtForz: it should be in GUI
2007 2011-02-19 16:16:10 <Blitzboom> if you want mainstream people to have BTC
2008 2011-02-19 16:16:27 <Blitzboom> but i’m sure that’ll come anyway
2009 2011-02-19 16:16:32 <davex__> ArtForz, right, but you might be the only one left
2010 2011-02-19 16:16:36 <Blitzboom> just saying it’s important
2011 2011-02-19 16:17:08 <luke-jr> Blitzboom: hopefully before too many mainstream people have BTC, MT`AwAy will release QBitCoin
2012 2011-02-19 16:17:19 <luke-jr> revolutionizing client expectations :P
2013 2011-02-19 16:17:24 <ArtForz> yeah, I guess so
2014 2011-02-19 16:17:47 <ArtForz> honestly, I think of the current mainline client more of a reference impl
2015 2011-02-19 16:18:03 <Blitzboom> yeah, ok
2016 2011-02-19 16:18:29 <genjix> i've been working on automatic wallet backup this weekend
2017 2011-02-19 16:18:47 <genjix> but it'd be nice if someone could review my work for security flaws
2018 2011-02-19 16:18:50 <ArtForz> look at original bittorrent mainline vs. modern clients ;)
2019 2011-02-19 16:19:11 <luke-jr> genjix: push it to a branch on gitorious? :P
2020 2011-02-19 16:19:21 <luke-jr> git push gitor localbranchname remotebranchname
2021 2011-02-19 16:19:25 <genjix> it's not in the client yet
2022 2011-02-19 16:19:32 <luke-jr> …
2023 2011-02-19 16:19:34 <genjix> just command line tool
2024 2011-02-19 16:19:37 <luke-jr> >_<
2025 2011-02-19 16:22:46 <luke-jr> genjix: what address should I send some TBC to for your testing? :P
2026 2011-02-19 16:24:24 <genjix> btw why is it bad to clear the transaction list and recreate it, if it results in less code?
2027 2011-02-19 16:26:26 <ArtForz> ? what? where?
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2029 2011-02-19 16:26:59 <slush> BlueMatt: hi
2030 2011-02-19 16:27:15 <BlueMatt> slush, did you check your forum pms?
2031 2011-02-19 16:27:17 <lfm> genjix: not bad
2032 2011-02-19 16:27:35 <BlueMatt> slush, please join #bitcoin-scammer and help us work it out, thanks
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2037 2011-02-19 16:39:53 <luke-jr> genjix: because it's SLOW and screws up scrolling
2038 2011-02-19 16:40:05 <genjix> oh that is a good reason
2039 2011-02-19 16:40:21 <luke-jr> it was noticably impacting my PC's performance ;P
2040 2011-02-19 16:40:31 <luke-jr> also, it means fetching all the tx every time
2041 2011-02-19 16:40:43 <luke-jr> this way, I fetch up to 1000 at startup, and only 10 to check for changes
2042 2011-02-19 16:41:11 <luke-jr> calculate the confirmation adjustment, then adjust all 1000+ entries by that much
2043 2011-02-19 16:42:43 <luke-jr> genjix: re-pull tonal, it had some bugs in Assume mode
2044 2011-02-19 16:43:36 <Blitzboom> does anyone know btcex' owner?
2045 2011-02-19 16:43:40 <luke-jr> when an amount is valid for both BTC and TBC, Assume mode goes through it digit by digit, looking for which is a more round number
2046 2011-02-19 16:43:44 <genjix> later... I am sorting out this backup first before going though everything
2047 2011-02-19 16:43:52 <genjix> Blitzboom: btcex is his name :p
2048 2011-02-19 16:44:22 <Blitzboom> on IRC?
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2050 2011-02-19 16:44:50 <luke-jr> genjix: well I need to leave soon… so tell me where I can send you some TBC to test with
2051 2011-02-19 16:45:03 <genjix> TBC? isn't BTC ok?
2052 2011-02-19 16:45:09 <genjix> i have BTC :p
2053 2011-02-19 16:45:17 <genjix> Blitzboom: not on here often
2054 2011-02-19 16:45:19 <luke-jr> genjix: gotta send you some TBC to test with :P
2055 2011-02-19 16:45:41 <luke-jr> genjix: or else you'll only have BTC
2056 2011-02-19 16:45:58 <Blitzboom> the scammer appears to have an account there, so maybe we can scam back that way
2057 2011-02-19 16:46:12 <genjix> so you use a special tag on the transactions?
2058 2011-02-19 16:46:17 <luke-jr> even the tonal branch will only show BTC, if that's all you have (unless you *Force* Tonal)
2059 2011-02-19 16:46:20 <luke-jr> genjix: nope
2060 2011-02-19 16:46:21 <genjix> 1AyaHeeZoja8LwZrCvov1wJ1LEqwqMqqBk
2061 2011-02-19 16:46:23 <luke-jr> it's all mathematical
2062 2011-02-19 16:46:24 <Blitzboom> so that he doesn’t profit from it
2063 2011-02-19 16:46:41 <luke-jr> sent 1 TBC
2064 2011-02-19 16:46:50 <genjix> 1 TBC
2065 2011-02-19 16:46:54 <luke-jr> "ton-hu"
2066 2011-02-19 16:47:03 <genjix> E9 DB
2067 2011-02-19 16:47:20 <ArtForz> EB FE
2068 2011-02-19 16:47:26 <luke-jr> genjix: no font yet? :P
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2071 2011-02-19 16:47:47 <genjix> ArtForz: nope says E9 / DB here
2072 2011-02-19 16:47:48 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/education/tonal/glyphs/fonts/Luxi/LuxiTonal.ttf
2073 2011-02-19 16:48:04 <ArtForz> genjix: and EB FE is a infinite loop on x86 ;)
2074 2011-02-19 16:48:04 <genjix> why not just use normal ascii symbols?
2075 2011-02-19 16:48:28 <ArtForz> short jmp $-2
2076 2011-02-19 16:48:39 <luke-jr> genjix: ASCII doesn't support higher Tonal digits
2077 2011-02-19 16:49:03 <genjix> ArtForz: lol wtf you know assembler command codes off by heart?
2078 2011-02-19 16:49:13 <ArtForz> that one I do
2079 2011-02-19 16:49:20 <genjix> ah ok
2080 2011-02-19 16:49:36 <ArtForz> very useful for debugging
2081 2011-02-19 16:49:36 <genjix> that'd be a pretty l33t skill to have.
2082 2011-02-19 16:50:07 <luke-jr> where did marioxcc go off to?
2083 2011-02-19 16:50:59 <luke-jr> hmm, this is interesting…
2084 2011-02-19 16:51:23 <luke-jr> when Validating, Spesmilo uses my Console font for the tonal digits; but once Processing+Confirmed, it switches to Luxi
2085 2011-02-19 16:53:27 <luke-jr> genjix: anyhow, you now have 1 TBC (ton-hu bitcoins) :P
2086 2011-02-19 16:53:47 <luke-jr> which should show up as such in the tonal branch, unless you set Decimal+Force
2087 2011-02-19 16:53:48 <genjix> give your addy and ill send back
2088 2011-02-19 16:54:02 <luke-jr> 1MmVS8jkji3oNirELbBZcFKDj4VH57PKVV
2089 2011-02-19 16:54:06 <luke-jr> but
2090 2011-02-19 16:54:11 <luke-jr> you can't send it without RPCv1 ;)
2091 2011-02-19 16:54:34 <luke-jr> might need to copy and paste 1 from IRC too
2092 2011-02-19 16:55:24 <luke-jr> http://gitorious.org/bitcoin/bitcoin/commits/neutral for RPCv1
2093 2011-02-19 16:55:55 <luke-jr> feel free to hold onto it as long as you need to :P
2094 2011-02-19 16:55:59 <genjix> lol coool
2095 2011-02-19 16:56:24 <luke-jr> meh, you sent me more :P
2096 2011-02-19 16:56:32 <genjix> yeah bitcoin rounds
2097 2011-02-19 16:56:41 <genjix> didn't know you added higher precision
2098 2011-02-19 16:56:52 <luke-jr> it's required for TBC
2099 2011-02-19 16:57:03 <genjix> i want higher precision in my bitcoin
2100 2011-02-19 16:57:07 <luke-jr> 1 TBC = 0.01769472 BTC
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2102 2011-02-19 16:59:55 <TD_> Blitzboom: what is the scammers email address?
2103 2011-02-19 17:00:20 <Blitzboom> see the source coude of the program
2104 2011-02-19 17:00:36 <TD_> i don't have it. i was just curious.
2105 2011-02-19 17:00:45 <Blitzboom> let me look it up
2106 2011-02-19 17:01:08 <Blitzboom> bitcoin.backup@gmail.com
2107 2011-02-19 17:01:11 <Blitzboom> lol
2108 2011-02-19 17:01:28 <Blitzboom> actually, it IS a backup
2109 2011-02-19 17:01:36 <Blitzboom> you’r just backing it up on his gmail
2110 2011-02-19 17:01:42 <TD_> brb
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2113 2011-02-19 17:02:11 <noagendamarket> should subscribe his emails to spam sites
2114 2011-02-19 17:04:16 <lfm> um why?
2115 2011-02-19 17:04:20 <xelister> noagendamarket: hm?
2116 2011-02-19 17:04:34 <xelister> ha backup to gmail
2117 2011-02-19 17:04:35 <xelister> awesome
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2119 2011-02-19 17:05:05 <xelister> Sire you have too heavy money-bag? Let me hold that for thou
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2121 2011-02-19 17:08:43 <genjix> haha
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2131 2011-02-19 17:24:15 <citiz3n> ;;view
2132 2011-02-19 17:24:16 <gribble> #599 Fri Feb 18 20:44:26 2011 unaffiliated/citiz3n SELL 1.0 1oz silver eagle @ 42 btc (includes shipping to address of your choice - insurance optional and costs extra)
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2137 2011-02-19 17:31:25 <BlueMatt> For those who wanted to read about the russian scammer and Blitzboom: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3628.0
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2146 2011-02-19 17:50:28 <hozer> interesting
2147 2011-02-19 17:51:45 <hozer> Tolsi posted on the scammer thread
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2154 2011-02-19 17:57:40 <xelister> hozer: url?
2155 2011-02-19 17:57:46 <xelister> oh nvermind
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2158 2011-02-19 18:00:40 <bk128-Droid> Please put a warning for this on the bitcoin.org homepage for this scam.  Just reminding people wallet backup programs can and have been malicious
2159 2011-02-19 18:01:40 <bk128-Droid> The kind of people who would likely use this are probably the ones who don't use irc/forums heavily
2160 2011-02-19 18:01:53 <xelister> what are you doing noobs?
2161 2011-02-19 18:01:56 <xelister> call the police
2162 2011-02-19 18:02:09 <hozer> heheh ... yes
2163 2011-02-19 18:02:16 <xelister> a person I know had some money stolen in another country
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2165 2011-02-19 18:02:33 <xelister> the police/court paid for him to flew all the way there, testify/hotel and fly back
2166 2011-02-19 18:02:45 <hozer> wow, nice
2167 2011-02-19 18:02:46 <xelister> I do not hold particullar trust in russian police ;) if this applies here
2168 2011-02-19 18:02:48 <xelister> but why not try
2169 2011-02-19 18:02:55 <xelister> btw it was Italian court (surprise)
2170 2011-02-19 18:03:55 <hozer> anyone set up a secure, fee-based bitcoin backup system yet?
2171 2011-02-19 18:04:12 <xelister> fee-based?
2172 2011-02-19 18:04:22 <lfm> hozer only a fool would use it
2173 2011-02-19 18:05:20 <hozer> If it were someone I trusted, some reasonable fee for a secure backup infrastructure would be quite nice
2174 2011-02-19 18:05:54 <bk128-Droid> I want my wallet encrypted before it leaves my computer
2175 2011-02-19 18:06:25 <hozer> yes.. and any reasonable backup program should do that, and be quite clear how the encryption keys are stored/recovered
2176 2011-02-19 18:06:25 <lfm> hozer you dont trust a thumb drive in a secure place?
2177 2011-02-19 18:07:01 <lzsaver> I take the responsibility to act as counsel for Tolsi at bitcoin forums. I believe that we need more explicit proof of guilt to determine the culprit.
2178 2011-02-19 18:07:38 <hozer> lfm: sure I trust a thumb drive... but it would be nice to backup btc to a secure 'cloud' that replicates the data at multiple sites
2179 2011-02-19 18:07:53 <bk128-Droid> Lfm. I trust a thumbdrive.  But I want backups more frequently
2180 2011-02-19 18:08:17 <hozer> lzsaver: thank you.... all we know is Tolsi's wallet and email addresses were involved
2181 2011-02-19 18:08:35 <lfm> you realize you could still get robbed if anyone gets a copy
2182 2011-02-19 18:08:51 <bk128-Droid> Probably thumbdrive on occasion and remote if I make a lot or they gain value
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2184 2011-02-19 18:09:37 <bk128-Droid> Not if you encrypt it on your comp.  Bitcoins client could do that one day
2185 2011-02-19 18:09:51 <hozer> lfm: exactly the reason for a clear up-front fee...
2186 2011-02-19 18:10:36 <lfm> hozer what good does a fee do, if you get a viruse that gets a decrypted copy of your wallet, you are truly hozed
2187 2011-02-19 18:10:55 <endian7000> that's why you should store BTC on paper keys
2188 2011-02-19 18:11:08 <endian7000> (apart from a day-to-day checking account, of course)
2189 2011-02-19 18:11:09 <lfm> endian7000: makes no sense
2190 2011-02-19 18:11:18 <endian7000> QR codes on paper
2191 2011-02-19 18:11:19 <bk128-Droid> Don't get a virus
2192 2011-02-19 18:11:30 <bk128-Droid> :)
2193 2011-02-19 18:11:41 <hozer> run the wallet on hardware that only runs cryptographically signed code ;)
2194 2011-02-19 18:12:22 <grubles> endian7000: is there a proper way to do the QR code stuff or is it just an idea
2195 2011-02-19 18:12:34 <lfm> hozer so we should trash every single existing copy of bitcoin and only run on iphones? ha!
2196 2011-02-19 18:12:51 <endian7000> grubles: it's code in progress
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2198 2011-02-19 18:13:05 <endian7000> the QR codes to SVG works great
2199 2011-02-19 18:13:33 <endian7000> but the BTC part needs some work
2200 2011-02-19 18:13:37 <lfm> endian7000: what is the advantage of a paper back over a thumb drive backup?
2201 2011-02-19 18:13:46 <hozer> lfm: no, some *decent* hardware ;)
2202 2011-02-19 18:13:50 <endian7000> github.com/andrewschaaf/paper-keys
2203 2011-02-19 18:14:00 <hozer> lfm: paper lasts a lot longer (and survives fire better)
2204 2011-02-19 18:14:07 <lfm> hozer some hardware that does not exist?
2205 2011-02-19 18:14:08 <endian7000> will a thumb drive last 10 years? are you certain?
2206 2011-02-19 18:14:29 <endian7000> paper's durability is easier to model
2207 2011-02-19 18:14:29 <bk128-Droid> Plug in thumb drive and it doesn't work.
2208 2011-02-19 18:14:31 <lfm> hozer: paper survives fire better???? lol
2209 2011-02-19 18:14:55 <bk128-Droid> Flash memory doesn't retain forever.  Even server backup tapes don't last too long
2210 2011-02-19 18:15:08 <hozer> someone was talking about this... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackDog
2211 2011-02-19 18:15:19 <genjix> etch into a brick
2212 2011-02-19 18:15:28 <endian7000> memorize it
2213 2011-02-19 18:15:50 <lfm> yup we should go back to clay tablets, they survive fire quite well too
2214 2011-02-19 18:15:55 <hozer> bk128-Droid: exactly... The first thing that happens after working at a hard-drive manfacturer is you get religion about backups ;)
2215 2011-02-19 18:16:03 <genjix> the physical currency for bitcoin = clay tablets
2216 2011-02-19 18:16:14 <ArtForz> modern flash memory is really not too good for long-term retention
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2218 2011-02-19 18:16:55 <endian7000> plus, paper is easy to use
2219 2011-02-19 18:16:57 <ArtForz> over time charge leaks from the isolated gate and all cells return to their 'unwritten' state
2220 2011-02-19 18:17:07 <endian7000> just wave your smartphone over the page
2221 2011-02-19 18:17:15 <grubles> you could copy your encrypted wallet to a minicd and hide it inside of a book or something
2222 2011-02-19 18:17:18 <genjix> am i correct in thinking that the reason real paper money notes work is because they look so intricate that they're unlikely to be faked?
2223 2011-02-19 18:17:23 <ArtForz> older stuff done on coarser processes isnt as bad
2224 2011-02-19 18:17:29 <lfm> bitcoin wallets dont seem to be something that very old copies are worth keeping (ie after 100 txn on a wallet, the backup is obsolete
2225 2011-02-19 18:17:41 <jgarzik> genjix: s/look/designed to be/
2226 2011-02-19 18:17:42 <endian7000> one sheet of paper = one key
2227 2011-02-19 18:17:50 <endian7000> *keypair
2228 2011-02-19 18:18:00 <endian7000> *+ BTC addr
2229 2011-02-19 18:18:05 <lfm> endian7000: then a thumb drive is also more compact
2230 2011-02-19 18:18:06 <jgarzik> genjix: there is a ton of anti-counterfeiting technology in paper notes
2231 2011-02-19 18:18:07 <ArtForz> just saying, dont use flash roms for archival
2232 2011-02-19 18:18:16 <genjix> jgarzik: right but you can't validate a paper night easily
2233 2011-02-19 18:18:21 <genjix> (and most people can't)
2234 2011-02-19 18:18:24 <jgarzik> paper night?
2235 2011-02-19 18:18:43 <genjix> but the actual look of a note is pretty intricate and unlikely to be faked for John Doe.
2236 2011-02-19 18:18:51 <jgarzik> ArtForz: all forms of digital storage suck, long term ;-)
2237 2011-02-19 18:19:01 <bk128-Droid> ArtForz: what do you use? Web?
2238 2011-02-19 18:19:04 <jgarzik> CDs, DVDs and hard drives all suck
2239 2011-02-19 18:19:13 <jgarzik> magnetic tape sucks slightly less
2240 2011-02-19 18:19:16 <jgarzik> books are best
2241 2011-02-19 18:19:28 <jrabbit> QR code?
2242 2011-02-19 18:19:29 <bk128-Droid> Stone is best
2243 2011-02-19 18:19:41 <ArtForz> laser-etched gold should last for a while ;)
2244 2011-02-19 18:19:53 <lfm> lazer cd?
2245 2011-02-19 18:20:00 <lfm> gold cd
2246 2011-02-19 18:20:05 <jgarzik> yeah, paper + OCR (QR code etc.) is reliable, sans fire.  but doesn't store much information.
2247 2011-02-19 18:20:25 <genjix> if I setup a lab and printed steel squares with bitcoin addresses for 10 btc each
2248 2011-02-19 18:20:32 <genjix> i wonder if they could act as notes
2249 2011-02-19 18:20:35 <lfm> yup density sucks for paper ( and clay and stone)
2250 2011-02-19 18:20:39 <jrabbit> jgarzik: QR can hold alot of info.
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2252 2011-02-19 18:20:50 <genjix> steel sheets with imprinted bitcoin addresses
2253 2011-02-19 18:21:04 <bk128-Droid> Some projects have been able to encode tons of data on paper
2254 2011-02-19 18:21:09 <lfm> genjix: steel cds?
2255 2011-02-19 18:21:24 <ArtForz> steel sheets? think of the poor strippers! ;)
2256 2011-02-19 18:21:33 <genjix> well anything that's hard to manufacture
2257 2011-02-19 18:21:42 <lfm> bk128tons? compared to what? counting on your fingers?
2258 2011-02-19 18:22:02 <endian7000> QR code waffles: http://www.flickr.com/photos/osr/5183771460/in/set-72157625406128736/
2259 2011-02-19 18:22:03 <genjix> i.e requiring high cost to get started manufacturing, but low cost to actually create
2260 2011-02-19 18:23:12 <bk128-Droid> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_data_storage
2261 2011-02-19 18:24:22 <genjix> 7 mb on paper!
2262 2011-02-19 18:24:23 <genjix> nice
2263 2011-02-19 18:24:27 <lfm> the old CDs that actually melted holes in a metal layer should be good Id think, just no CDS work that way any more
2264 2011-02-19 18:24:28 <lzsaver> hozer, and I know it. but is it the evidence? where are screenshots with his email or ip?
2265 2011-02-19 18:25:33 <bk128-Droid> Sludge or crease and its gone.  Would need parity
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2267 2011-02-19 18:25:41 <bk128-Droid> Smudge*
2268 2011-02-19 18:26:06 <jrabbit> 4,296 characters in a QR block possibly
2269 2011-02-19 18:26:13 <bk128-Droid> Raid 5 paper :)
2270 2011-02-19 18:26:23 <cosurgi> Blitzboom: that was an interedting read, in the backlog. You were lucky that this scammer was very stupid.
2271 2011-02-19 18:27:02 <Blitzboom> i know
2272 2011-02-19 18:27:08 <Blitzboom> otherwise i’d have lost it all
2273 2011-02-19 18:27:23 <cosurgi> we should outsmart people like this. Soomer or later one will come who isn't stupid.
2274 2011-02-19 18:28:25 <cosurgi> official client should be using some rudimentary encryption on wallet.dat, so that plain file copying will not work anymore.
2275 2011-02-19 18:29:10 <jgarzik> yes, it should
2276 2011-02-19 18:29:14 <sipa> indeed
2277 2011-02-19 18:29:19 <Blitzboom> it really should
2278 2011-02-19 18:29:35 <jgarzik> db4 even includes AES encryption capability
2279 2011-02-19 18:29:42 <genjix> but you will have to unencrypt while bitcoin is running, right?
2280 2011-02-19 18:29:58 <cosurgi> only in memory. don't decrypt file.
2281 2011-02-19 18:30:02 <genjix> aha, then why not switch on AES and encrypt the AES key using RSA?
2282 2011-02-19 18:30:19 <cosurgi> memory scanning tools are more advanced. That will give us enough time, to find a better solution.
2283 2011-02-19 18:30:22 <genjix> therefore the user is only prompted once for their password (on startup)
2284 2011-02-19 18:30:31 <cosurgi> enough time, I mean, bvefore a smart scammer appears.
2285 2011-02-19 18:30:36 <jgarzik> genjix: yes, that should be implemented
2286 2011-02-19 18:30:55 <lfm> genjix: whats RSA for? just use password (hased) as aes key
2287 2011-02-19 18:31:02 <jgarzik> genjix: the hurdles are:  (1) backwards compatibility and (2) losing password == losing all your cash
2288 2011-02-19 18:32:20 <genjix> lfm: rsa is more secure but slow i think
2289 2011-02-19 18:32:47 <lfm> genjix: ok you know nothing about encryption, leave it to someone who does
2290 2011-02-19 18:32:57 <jgarzik> genjix: a cryptographic hash of a password is quite secure, otherwise bitcoin would fail...
2291 2011-02-19 18:33:16 <cosurgi> (1) backward compatibility is not possible. Once the wallet gets encrypted it's not possible for older client to read it. We could only find some way, so that older client will not deleted a wallet that looks "corrupt". Maybe using a different name would be enough like, wallet_secure.dat or something.
2292 2011-02-19 18:33:39 <jgarzik> cosurgi: yes.  that's why it's a problem :)
2293 2011-02-19 18:33:46 <jgarzik> oh yeah
2294 2011-02-19 18:34:00 <jgarzik> and db4 may require that all databases in tat environment be encrypted, not just wallet
2295 2011-02-19 18:34:01 <genjix> why is backward compatibility needed?
2296 2011-02-19 18:34:12 <jgarzik> lol. ok, lunch.
2297 2011-02-19 18:34:26 <cosurgi> I don't think that backward compatibility is needed.
2298 2011-02-19 18:34:38 <cosurgi> You can always upgrade. Why downgrade?
2299 2011-02-19 18:34:39 <lfm> genjix: people will accidently run an old version
2300 2011-02-19 18:34:43 <genjix> current bitcoin isn't backwards compatible either
2301 2011-02-19 18:34:59 <lfm> genjix: huh?
2302 2011-02-19 18:35:03 <genjix> it's broken my wallet twice (usable only on latest, not on old version)
2303 2011-02-19 18:35:09 <cosurgi> so the only thing needed - is use a different file name, and then the older client will not delete your "corrupt" wallet.
2304 2011-02-19 18:35:31 <lfm> genjix: maybe if you link the wrong versions of bdb
2305 2011-02-19 18:36:07 <genjix> ubuntu repo bdb
2306 2011-02-19 18:36:21 <lfm> genjix: ya, like I said
2307 2011-02-19 18:37:11 <genjix> so release uses a different version of bdb
2308 2011-02-19 18:38:08 <cosurgi> (2) about passwords - well... there is still no other solutions than some kind of authentication. Easiest to implement are passwords. Easier for humans, and harder to implement are for example "click on some areas in this photo:, and your password is "click cat's eye, click an apple, click desk's corner, etc..." Or something like that, but I think that nobody will like implementing this in official client. Especially because such method produces le
2309 2011-02-19 18:38:41 <sipa> produces le[...]
2310 2011-02-19 18:38:52 <genjix> Version: 4.8.30-1
2311 2011-02-19 18:40:05 <cosurgi> Especially because such method produces less entrophy, than a plan text password.
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2313 2011-02-19 18:40:26 <lfm> pass phrase
2314 2011-02-19 18:41:14 <genjix> optional password recovery service where you add your email
2315 2011-02-19 18:41:24 <lfm> genjix: you useing 4.8 of bdb? try reading build-unix.txt in bitcoin source dir
2316 2011-02-19 18:41:33 <genjix> uploads your password + recovery database
2317 2011-02-19 18:41:39 <cosurgi> who is the person that has the right to add this rudimentary wallet encryption to official client? gavin andersen>
2318 2011-02-19 18:41:42 <cosurgi> ?
2319 2011-02-19 18:41:52 <genjix> lfm: ahh ok
2320 2011-02-19 18:42:11 <genjix> cosurgi: anybody :p it's free as in free speech!
2321 2011-02-19 18:43:16 <cosurgi> genjix: well, you cannot upload a password if it isn't stored anywhere. There is no need to store it. Just encrypt wallet with this phrase, don't store the phrase. Later when wallet needs to be decrypted - ask for the phrase again
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2323 2011-02-19 18:43:35 <cosurgi> genjix: oh, right :)
2324 2011-02-19 18:43:38 <hozer> this is going to be a very interesting learning experience for everyone here .... hopefully we'll come up with a better fraud detection scheme than paypal/credit cards/etc
2325 2011-02-19 18:43:58 <genjix> hozer: anything is better than my bank
2326 2011-02-19 18:44:06 <hozer> HAH
2327 2011-02-19 18:44:15 <genjix> asks for my 'secret' phrase which is letters only
2328 2011-02-19 18:44:39 <genjix> (any 1 of 3 secret questions I had to answer like my first school .etc)
2329 2011-02-19 18:44:56 <hozer> yeah... I quite like how anyone can do auditing of transactions with the block chain
2330 2011-02-19 18:45:01 <lfm> genjix: not secure
2331 2011-02-19 18:45:09 <genjix> and the 3 random digits of my secret 6 number passphrase (i.e 3rd, 1st and 6th)
2332 2011-02-19 18:45:47 <hozer> I think mtgox is at some point going to have to come up with some sort of fraud policy
2333 2011-02-19 18:45:51 <genjix> you monitor 10 logins and you'll gain my 'secret number'. 1 login and you gain my 'secret' phrase
2334 2011-02-19 18:46:10 <lfm> hozer policy is you lose it you cry
2335 2011-02-19 18:46:29 <hozer> I'm hoping that in addition to open-source currency, we have open-source fraud detection and identity systems
2336 2011-02-19 18:46:35 <genjix> worse is that i was looking at bank website source and it's written for netscape navigator ... -_-
2337 2011-02-19 18:47:22 <hozer> lfm: you can say that now, but if mtgox doesn't address this they will end up with only scammers trading there
2338 2011-02-19 18:47:55 <lfm> hozer use decent password you are fine, dont give it away
2339 2011-02-19 18:47:59 <genjix> mtgox isnt your parent
2340 2011-02-19 18:48:19 <ArtForz> yep
2341 2011-02-19 18:48:23 <genjix> i'd rather have 0.65% on trades than 1% and pay for fraud protection
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2343 2011-02-19 18:49:00 <endian7000> I'd rather have 0.01% on trades and a TCP API for HFT trading bots...
2344 2011-02-19 18:49:21 * hozer seconds endian7000
2345 2011-02-19 18:49:41 <ArtForz> you want a pony with that?
2346 2011-02-19 18:49:46 <hozer> but then, how do you detect and kick fraudbots ;)
2347 2011-02-19 18:49:55 <hozer> yes, I want a pony dammit.
2348 2011-02-19 18:50:04 <endian7000> with pony-riding ninjas
2349 2011-02-19 18:50:12 <hozer> and Chuck Norris
2350 2011-02-19 18:50:36 <endian7000> and Bruce Schneier Chuck-Norris-isms
2351 2011-02-19 18:50:50 <lfm> HFT? isnt that what is always getting NYSE into trouble?
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2353 2011-02-19 18:50:57 <hozer> ooooh. endian7000 wins
2354 2011-02-19 18:51:25 <endian7000> seriously, with NodeJS and a modified Redis, an HFT-friendly exchange might not be too hard...
2355 2011-02-19 18:51:48 <hozer> endian7000: read up on InfiniBand..
2356 2011-02-19 18:51:58 <hozer> that's what all the HFT systems use for interconnect
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2358 2011-02-19 18:52:08 <ArtForz> meh on IB
2359 2011-02-19 18:52:21 <endian7000> ok, not _that_ high frequency...
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2361 2011-02-19 18:53:56 <lfm> mtgox may be too centralized for bitcoin
2362 2011-02-19 18:54:03 <ArtForz> ?
2363 2011-02-19 18:54:26 <endian7000> ...which is why (open source HFT + multiple instances) would be good
2364 2011-02-19 18:54:34 <lfm> we need distributed trading
2365 2011-02-19 18:54:36 <ArtForz> it's just a exchange
2366 2011-02-19 18:54:37 <endian7000> bots can arbitrage away the crazy within ms
2367 2011-02-19 18:54:41 <hozer> it's a good start
2368 2011-02-19 18:54:53 <endian7000> yes
2369 2011-02-19 18:54:57 <hozer> endian7000: where are you located?
2370 2011-02-19 18:55:07 <endian7000> new york
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2373 2011-02-19 18:55:16 <endian7000> you?
2374 2011-02-19 18:55:22 <hozer> Iowa/Minnesota
2375 2011-02-19 18:55:28 <ArtForz> davout open sourced bitcoin central, so feel free to start your own :P
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2377 2011-02-19 18:55:39 <endian7000> with SQL? right...
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2379 2011-02-19 18:55:49 <lfm> new yorkers like centralized systems so long as they are centralized in New York
2380 2011-02-19 18:55:55 <hozer> bitcoin central is sql?
2381 2011-02-19 18:55:59 <ArtForz> ?
2382 2011-02-19 18:56:00 <endian7000> but yes, it's in my TODO list with a medium-low priority
2383 2011-02-19 18:56:23 <endian7000> bitcoin-central is a rails app
2384 2011-02-19 18:57:07 <endian7000> I was thinking of having them run on Amazon EC2
2385 2011-02-19 18:57:17 <endian7000> so anyone can run a bot there
2386 2011-02-19 18:57:29 <hozer> rails makes me twitch a bit
2387 2011-02-19 18:57:32 <endian7000> and have 0.25 to 1 ms, IIRC
2388 2011-02-19 18:57:43 <endian7000> *ping
2389 2011-02-19 18:58:27 <hozer> endian7000: what's your OS image of choice
2390 2011-02-19 18:58:56 <endian7000> Ubuntu 10.04 LTS -- but I'm not really an OS guy
2391 2011-02-19 18:58:59 <endian7000> you?
2392 2011-02-19 18:59:08 <hozer> debian stable generally
2393 2011-02-19 19:00:03 <hozer> so ideally, we'd have debian bitcoin-exchange and bitcoin-tradebot (or something like that) packages
2394 2011-02-19 19:00:23 <endian7000> right
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2396 2011-02-19 19:01:51 <endian7000> though it would probably be hard to compete with Jane Street's bots when they enter the BTC world...
2397 2011-02-19 19:01:52 <endian7000> http://ocaml.janestreet.com/?q=node/61
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2399 2011-02-19 19:05:37 <hozer> are these open source? ;)
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2401 2011-02-19 19:05:56 <iJotto> Hey
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2403 2011-02-19 19:07:20 <endian7000> hozer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InfiniBand is fun read -- thanks
2404 2011-02-19 19:07:26 <iJotto> I'd like to see an option to encrypt the wallet.dat-file in my bitcoin-client, so I'd have to enter a password each time i start bitcoin. That way I could be sure that even if a virus steals my wallet.dat-file, the hacker couldn't steal my funds.
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2406 2011-02-19 19:07:58 <iJotto> I wouldn't wonder if more wallet.dat-theft-viruses arise in the future, especially if bitcoin becomes more successful
2407 2011-02-19 19:08:03 <iJotto> what do you think about that?
2408 2011-02-19 19:08:21 <endian7000> I think I'll be printing out my keypairs as QR codes on paper
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2410 2011-02-19 19:08:29 <endian7000> and having that be my only copy
2411 2011-02-19 19:08:33 <TheKid> I think that there will be many
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2416 2011-02-19 19:08:52 <hozer> I suspect that everything that 'traditional' HFT trading bots (or developers) know that actually makes money depends on the centralized/heirarchical nature of the current commercial financial system, and is mostly irrelevant, or just wrong for bitcoin economies
2417 2011-02-19 19:12:27 <hozer> I get the impression there's a lot of 'who you know' that goes on in finance, and that a lot of the intrinsics that go on in HFT someone depend on this 'who you know' network
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2431 2011-02-19 19:24:20 <bk128> ArtForz: do your gpu boxes have hdd's in them?
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2437 2011-02-19 19:41:03 <rlifchitz> what happened to block #1234 of slush's pool?
2438 2011-02-19 19:41:07 <rlifchitz> invalid? why?
2439 2011-02-19 19:41:17 <rlifchitz> (http://mining.bitcoin.cz/stats/)
2440 2011-02-19 19:41:28 <cosurgi> it branched. see wikipedia explanation, there's even a picture for that, there/
2441 2011-02-19 19:42:20 <rlifchitz> ok so 2 different solutions were found nearly at the same time?
2442 2011-02-19 19:42:44 <slush> yes
2443 2011-02-19 19:42:51 <rlifchitz> ok thx
2444 2011-02-19 19:44:31 <cosurgi> slush: have you seen that 9 hour round?
2445 2011-02-19 19:44:43 <cosurgi> it happened this night
2446 2011-02-19 19:44:53 <cosurgi> err, last night
2447 2011-02-19 19:45:27 <TheKid> heh
2448 2011-02-19 19:45:33 <TheKid> we were getting many many short rounds though
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2450 2011-02-19 19:45:41 <TheKid> so it averages out heh
2451 2011-02-19 19:45:42 <cosurgi> yes
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2456 2011-02-19 19:47:27 <slush> cosurgi: yes, it is unbelievable
2457 2011-02-19 19:47:33 <slush> cosurgi: almost half of million shares
2458 2011-02-19 19:47:53 <slush> previous record was something like 240.000 and I was "wtf"ed
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2461 2011-02-19 19:50:29 <slush> ;;bc,stats
2462 2011-02-19 19:50:31 <gribble> Current Blocks: 109160 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 1719 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 6 hours, 59 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47011.26063113
2463 2011-02-19 19:51:47 <mmarker> slush: How brutal is running the pool? Wondering what sort of load you're seeing...if you want to reveal that...
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2466 2011-02-19 19:57:01 <slush> mmarker: current implementation is quite network ineffective, but it is not current problems. As requests/s is going high, I have some troubles with network timeouts. I rised all system limits but nothing really helped.
2467 2011-02-19 19:58:06 <mmarker> Ugh, so the OS TCP/IP stack is giving you problems. Ugh.
2468 2011-02-19 19:58:06 <slush> I can setup more pool servers with DNS balancing, which cut real server usage, but I don't want to waste time on that. Rewriting the core for TCP stack and push protocol is the way to go
2469 2011-02-19 19:58:20 <mmarker> Yea, offloading that seems to be the right thing
2470 2011-02-19 19:58:44 <TheKid> slush: would you be willing to release your software, not necessarily as open source but available for people to start their own pools?
2471 2011-02-19 19:59:20 <slush> TheKid: to be honest, original source was pretty clean, but thanks to hot fixes for stability and speed, it is mess now
2472 2011-02-19 19:59:42 <slush> TheKid: I'm thinking about some model for new core
2473 2011-02-19 20:00:03 <slush> model for licencing all the stuff for more decentralized run
2474 2011-02-19 20:00:31 <slush> I have to go, bye
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2478 2011-02-19 20:19:57 <mmarker> Hmm, anyone have a public bitcoind RPC server running?
2479 2011-02-19 20:20:34 <RBecker> mmarker, my friend has one going
2480 2011-02-19 20:20:50 <RBecker> You won't get any btc until he sets you up though
2481 2011-02-19 20:20:55 <RBecker> He has an auto-pay thing going
2482 2011-02-19 20:21:33 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,estimate
2483 2011-02-19 20:21:34 <gribble> 47115.95243319
2484 2011-02-19 20:21:43 <mmarker> Nono, I am testing a client I'm writing. Want to make sure it talks good
2485 2011-02-19 20:21:44 <mmarker> :D
2486 2011-02-19 20:21:49 <UukGoblin> wow went down
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2488 2011-02-19 20:24:10 <mmarker> Well, that's not good.
2489 2011-02-19 20:24:39 <tcatm> mmarker: https://testnet:letmein@home.nilsschneider.net:8338
2490 2011-02-19 20:24:51 <mmarker> Thanks. Not quite there yet
2491 2011-02-19 20:24:59 <tcatm> But don't steal my 11k BTC :P
2492 2011-02-19 20:25:01 <mmarker> the...uhh..well...sigseved a java app
2493 2011-02-19 20:25:19 <mmarker> Back to fixing it
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2495 2011-02-19 20:28:08 <tcatm> Hey, who took those 12k BTC? :)
2496 2011-02-19 20:29:22 <tcatm> Please give them back so other users can use the service for testing RPC clients.
2497 2011-02-19 20:29:45 <cosurgi> that's 12k from testnet?
2498 2011-02-19 20:29:51 <tcatm> Yes.
2499 2011-02-19 20:29:56 <cosurgi> whew :)
2500 2011-02-19 20:30:07 <mmarker> Heh.
2501 2011-02-19 20:30:15 <mmarker> This emulator is slow.
2502 2011-02-19 20:30:32 <mmarker> Oh, and it seems the next version of Gingerbread will have some more control over the NFC
2503 2011-02-19 20:30:34 <cosurgi> spectrum emulator under amiga emulator under java?
2504 2011-02-19 20:30:38 <mmarker> I smell another opportunity
2505 2011-02-19 20:30:49 <mmarker> cosurgi: Android emu
2506 2011-02-19 20:31:00 <cosurgi> mmarker: what does it emulate?
2507 2011-02-19 20:31:05 <mmarker> It's a DOG on my mac
2508 2011-02-19 20:31:13 <mmarker> cosurgi: Arm platform
2509 2011-02-19 20:31:21 <cosurgi> oh.
2510 2011-02-19 20:31:41 <cosurgi> I have a real arm here on my desk :) pandora console :)
2511 2011-02-19 20:32:02 <UukGoblin> NFC?
2512 2011-02-19 20:32:04 <cosurgi> though, I don't have a bitcoin client on it.
2513 2011-02-19 20:32:06 <UukGoblin> what's NFC?
2514 2011-02-19 20:32:14 <UukGoblin> oh that near field comms
2515 2011-02-19 20:32:15 <UukGoblin> hrmm
2516 2011-02-19 20:32:24 <mmarker> cosurgi: I have... let's see. The Netwinder over there, the original iPaq, the G1, the DoridX, and the Beagleboard xM
2517 2011-02-19 20:32:26 <mmarker> :D
2518 2011-02-19 20:32:31 <UukGoblin> they must have tweaked the radio firmware for that surely?
2519 2011-02-19 20:32:34 <cosurgi> :-D
2520 2011-02-19 20:32:39 <mmarker> Uuk: yup. The Nexus S dev phone has a NFC setup in it.
2521 2011-02-19 20:32:52 <mmarker> you can do some programming with it, apparently...
2522 2011-02-19 20:32:53 <niekie> Hm.
2523 2011-02-19 20:33:00 <niekie> Seems someone took 12k from you yeah :D
2524 2011-02-19 20:33:19 <cosurgi> how could ppl just take 12k and don't say a word?
2525 2011-02-19 20:33:20 <UukGoblin> would be cool to upload my oyster card onto the phone ;-]
2526 2011-02-19 20:33:26 <mmarker> Ok, I need to move to the real hammer upstairs. This laptop ain't hacking it.
2527 2011-02-19 20:33:31 <niekie> That looks like a cool client though.
2528 2011-02-19 20:33:35 <mmarker> UukGoblin: I think someone got most of the way
2529 2011-02-19 20:33:50 <UukGoblin> I wish someone properly cracked the radio firmware...
2530 2011-02-19 20:33:58 <cosurgi> it was in public wallet, or what?
2531 2011-02-19 20:34:09 <tcatm> niekie: it is. Even works on Android :)
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2534 2011-02-19 20:35:11 <cosurgi> I see that price for BTC is fighting for 1.0, but it's enough if someone sells 16k (real) BTC, and we have a real crash: http://www.taters.net/cgi-bin/btc/matrix.pl?axisinc=0.02
2535 2011-02-19 20:35:54 <MacRohard> not many people have 16k BTC to sell
2536 2011-02-19 20:36:25 <UukGoblin> not many people who do want to ;-]
2537 2011-02-19 20:36:30 <MacRohard> right
2538 2011-02-19 20:36:49 <MacRohard> but i'd say there's prolly less than 100 people with that many in the first place
2539 2011-02-19 20:36:52 * UukGoblin is waiting for the block #200k boom
2540 2011-02-19 20:37:12 <TheKid> UukGoblin: that's when it drops to 25 btc per block?
2541 2011-02-19 20:37:16 <UukGoblin> yeah
2542 2011-02-19 20:37:16 <cosurgi> what will happen, then? the reduction to 25 BTC per block?
2543 2011-02-19 20:37:23 <sipa> yes
2544 2011-02-19 20:37:34 <cosurgi> but it's few years away, isn't it?
2545 2011-02-19 20:37:38 <sipa> 2
2546 2011-02-19 20:37:39 <MacRohard> but transaction fees will prolly take over
2547 2011-02-19 20:37:41 <Blizz1> regardless what will happen?
2548 2011-02-19 20:37:44 <UukGoblin> less than 2 now
2549 2011-02-19 20:37:50 <sipa> probably a lot of miners turning their hardware at that point
2550 2011-02-19 20:37:56 <MacRohard> but yea the amount of new supply side money will go down
2551 2011-02-19 20:37:57 <sipa> waiting for difficulty decrease
2552 2011-02-19 20:38:01 <sipa> turning on again
2553 2011-02-19 20:38:10 <sipa> and a few times up and down
2554 2011-02-19 20:38:19 <UukGoblin> price /has/ to go up after that ;-]
2555 2011-02-19 20:38:24 <Blizz1> this whole bitcoin thing confuses me
2556 2011-02-19 20:38:25 <sipa> until a new equilibrium is reached
2557 2011-02-19 20:38:27 <Blizz1> lol
2558 2011-02-19 20:38:28 <MacRohard> if there's lots of transactions they may make more than 50BTC in adding them to the block
2559 2011-02-19 20:38:46 <MacRohard> or even if not, the value might have gone up so much taht it's still worth it
2560 2011-02-19 20:38:47 <db8393> sure looks like a bubble to me, but hey lots of people get rich of bubbles
2561 2011-02-19 20:38:47 <cosurgi> but currently there's almost no tx fees....
2562 2011-02-19 20:38:56 <mmarker> Well, then start charging them!
2563 2011-02-19 20:39:08 <mmarker> Well, the client needs to take them, no?
2564 2011-02-19 20:39:17 <mmarker> and where does this magical fee come from, actually
2565 2011-02-19 20:39:20 <MacRohard> the client needs to offer them
2566 2011-02-19 20:39:26 <mmarker> That part I didn't quite get from the whitepaper
2567 2011-02-19 20:39:39 <cosurgi> when ppl make transactions they can offer a fee to get faster into a block.
2568 2011-02-19 20:39:43 <MacRohard> when it sends a transaction it acn add a transaction fee to encourage miners to include it in their block
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2570 2011-02-19 20:39:53 <mmarker> Oh, so it's "here's 0.1 bitcoin to whomever solves the block with this transfer"?
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2572 2011-02-19 20:40:03 <TheKid> mmarker: exactly
2573 2011-02-19 20:40:11 <MacRohard> to whoever adds my transaction to the next block that they find
2574 2011-02-19 20:40:16 <cosurgi> yeah. And your miner can skip all transaction that have fee lower than your limit.
2575 2011-02-19 20:40:30 <cosurgi> but, where do I set the limit? :)
2576 2011-02-19 20:40:36 <MacRohard> so yea.. mabe the pooled miners should start settings fees
2577 2011-02-19 20:40:37 <cosurgi> I need to recompile the source, afaik?
2578 2011-02-19 20:41:04 <TheKid> cosurgi: I believe so
2579 2011-02-19 20:41:05 <MacRohard> it's like a banking cartel
2580 2011-02-19 20:41:19 <MacRohard> they can monopolize generation and demand higher fees
2581 2011-02-19 20:41:23 <TheKid> but then someone will open up their miner to all transactions
2582 2011-02-19 20:41:30 <MacRohard> maybe
2583 2011-02-19 20:41:33 <TheKid> and acquire all the small tx fees
2584 2011-02-19 20:42:13 <lfm> and acquire all the zero fees? make it up on volume?
2585 2011-02-19 20:42:35 <MacRohard> hehe
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2587 2011-02-19 20:45:11 <lfm> i think if you just redude the "max block size" it will have the effect you want cuz then it will require fees to excede the max
2588 2011-02-19 20:45:21 <TheKid> lfm: no, all the .01 fees
2589 2011-02-19 20:45:23 <lfm> redude -> reduce
2590 2011-02-19 20:45:27 <TheKid> it's not that expensive to run a miner now
2591 2011-02-19 20:45:41 <TheKid> and it would theoretically be far cheaper in the future
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2593 2011-02-19 20:46:50 <lfm> so in that case you should open it up, not sure what you do about spam. spam can still overwhelm if there are no limits on it at all
2594 2011-02-19 20:47:00 <mmarker> I am still interested in the custom silicon/FPGA route
2595 2011-02-19 20:47:53 <lfm> fpga specificlly do not seem to be significantly better than gpus
2596 2011-02-19 20:47:58 <xelister> mmarker: ArtForz is making custom ASIC thing to calcualte hashes
2597 2011-02-19 20:48:06 <mmarker> I know :D
2598 2011-02-19 20:48:35 <mmarker> lfm: But if you look at it via raw khash/s yea. But there's another metric I'm interested in, khash/W
2599 2011-02-19 20:49:03 <lfm> and the upfront investments fro custom hardware is the main stumbling block imo
2600 2011-02-19 20:50:23 <lfm> kash/s/W?
2601 2011-02-19 20:50:23 <mmarker> True. I was looking for hardware out there that would just do SHA256. Atmel has some, but it's for validation in embedded systems...so you can't replace the battery, for example.
2602 2011-02-19 20:50:35 <mmarker> lfm: Not time, but W
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2604 2011-02-19 20:51:07 <lfm> khash/W is nonsensical khash/s/W is how you measure that
2605 2011-02-19 20:51:14 <mmarker> lfm: They can be slower, but if I can run more of them w/o increasing my power footprint..
2606 2011-02-19 20:51:39 <mmarker> Well, it should probably be kash/kWh
2607 2011-02-19 20:51:43 <mmarker> to be correct.
2608 2011-02-19 20:52:10 <lfm> or maybe khash/KWH
2609 2011-02-19 20:52:26 <mmarker> The idea is if you wanted to corner the market and throw a lot of computing resource at things...but not be noticed...don't start causing that power meter to spin like mad
2610 2011-02-19 20:52:35 <lfm> ok thats a constant conversion from khas/s/W to khash/KWH
2611 2011-02-19 20:53:18 <[Tycho]> Old computers for hashing ?
2612 2011-02-19 20:53:28 <mmarker> No, you want more efficient, really
2613 2011-02-19 20:53:53 <lfm> [Tycho]: they can be cheap but they are not effecient
2614 2011-02-19 20:54:13 <[Tycho]> I know, because now i'm sitting in front of one :)
2615 2011-02-19 20:54:30 <mmarker> Ok, to the inlaws!
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2617 2011-02-19 20:54:41 <lfm> [Tycho]: a common problem people comming here face
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2619 2011-02-19 20:55:09 <[Tycho]> It's not really a problem since i have a separate one for mining :)
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2621 2011-02-19 20:55:43 <lfm> [Tycho]: ok, just that you asked so I assumed
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2623 2011-02-19 20:56:30 <[Tycho]> My computer for IRC+ICQ+mail+so_on is dual P3-500, still fine for those purposes, but only gives ~240 khash/s
2624 2011-02-19 20:56:49 <lfm> [Tycho]: sometimes you can put a new gpu in an old computer and make it more cometitave
2625 2011-02-19 20:57:20 <[Tycho]> Not really, all number-crunshing GPUs are for PCIe
2626 2011-02-19 20:57:30 <lfm> true
2627 2011-02-19 20:58:21 <[Tycho]> A couple of 5970 comes in handy in those cold winter nights :)
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2629 2011-02-19 20:59:23 <lfm> will you throttle it back come spring?
2630 2011-02-19 21:00:14 <bk128> could use khash/kw/h
2631 2011-02-19 21:00:42 <[Tycho]> Don't think so. May be i'll create a special schedule for running miners only in the hours of cheap elecricity when mining become almost non-profitable.
2632 2011-02-19 21:01:04 <bk128> need to find a way to get free electricity
2633 2011-02-19 21:01:10 <TheKid> go to college
2634 2011-02-19 21:01:14 <TheKid> "free"
2635 2011-02-19 21:01:17 <bk128> I do.  don't live in the dorms though
2636 2011-02-19 21:01:20 <bk128> they cost twice as much
2637 2011-02-19 21:01:22 <TheKid> ahh
2638 2011-02-19 21:01:44 <validus> free my ass
2639 2011-02-19 21:01:57 <validus> i been outa work almost 2 yrs. get $0 but i did get some of it paid for
2640 2011-02-19 21:01:59 <validus> just not all :P
2641 2011-02-19 21:02:26 <[Tycho]> In about 8 hours per day electricity costs 4 times less that usual.
2642 2011-02-19 21:02:34 <bk128> CA?
2643 2011-02-19 21:04:43 <[Tycho]> Me ?
2644 2011-02-19 21:05:55 <bk128> oh, what state is that in?
2645 2011-02-19 21:05:56 <bk128> yeah
2646 2011-02-19 21:06:07 <[Tycho]> Moscow, Russia.
2647 2011-02-19 21:06:25 <TheKid> heh
2648 2011-02-19 21:06:31 <[Tycho]> Electicity prices differ very much in russian cities.
2649 2011-02-19 21:06:32 <lfm> [Tycho]: ya that should come at night too when you may be able to use the heat at least some of the time
2650 2011-02-19 21:06:42 <bk128> wow.
2651 2011-02-19 21:06:53 <bk128> how much do you pay per kwh?
2652 2011-02-19 21:07:09 <[Tycho]> Usually it's cheaper when hydroelecric plant is located nearby.
2653 2011-02-19 21:07:33 <bk128> ours is flat rate in chicago.  we don't have smartmeters yet.  I pay like $0.09/kwh
2654 2011-02-19 21:09:11 <[Tycho]> About $0.086 for 7 peak hours, $0.072 for 9 normal hours and $0.02 for the rest of day
2655 2011-02-19 21:09:26 <TheKid> [Tycho]: I live near niagara falls, electricity is crazy cheap
2656 2011-02-19 21:10:00 <[Tycho]> People that have gas ovens pay more for electicity in my city :)
2657 2011-02-19 21:10:05 <validus> ive been to hard rock out there
2658 2011-02-19 21:10:10 <TheKid> actually wait, it's pretty expensive
2659 2011-02-19 21:10:11 <TheKid> nevermind
2660 2011-02-19 21:10:26 <bk128> cool.  I'm going to finish table sawing my new mining rig case
2661 2011-02-19 21:10:29 <[Tycho]> TheKid, i was talking about our prices :)
2662 2011-02-19 21:11:34 <TheKid> I was talking about mine, mine are expensive compared to yours :)
2663 2011-02-19 21:12:46 <validus> im on budget with the apt complex. i pay 65 no matter what
2664 2011-02-19 21:12:52 <validus> even when i had grow lights on
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2666 2011-02-19 21:13:05 <validus> but that wanst generating a crapt ton of wattage either
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2672 2011-02-19 21:16:37 <[Tycho]> One thing that i'm not happy about is old m0mchil's miner that is less effective than last version :(
2673 2011-02-19 21:20:03 <citiz3n> you're saying his new version is slower?
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2677 2011-02-19 21:25:18 <[Tycho]> citiz3n, old version is slower. May be it's because it pauses for fetching work.
2678 2011-02-19 21:26:13 <TheKid> then just update
2679 2011-02-19 21:26:22 <TheKid> it's a good thing that the new one is faster then :)
2680 2011-02-19 21:26:41 <[Tycho]> New version can't work with slave core in crossfire mode.
2681 2011-02-19 21:26:55 <TheKid> that's weird
2682 2011-02-19 21:27:00 <[Tycho]> So i must run at least one core with old version.
2683 2011-02-19 21:27:50 <ArtForz> old version probably also doesnt work
2684 2011-02-19 21:28:00 <[Noodles]> works fine
2685 2011-02-19 21:28:06 <ArtForz> checked?
2686 2011-02-19 21:28:19 <[Tycho]> Old version works and gives money from pools.
2687 2011-02-19 21:28:32 <[Noodles]> found a bunch of blocks on the mainnet running old m0mchil version on 2nd 5970 core
2688 2011-02-19 21:28:35 <[Tycho]> It's .cl file is 8 kb instead of ~32 of a new one.
2689 2011-02-19 21:28:47 <[Noodles]> no problems at all, just a tiny bit slower
2690 2011-02-19 21:28:48 <ArtForz> yes, still shouldnt work properly
2691 2011-02-19 21:29:03 <ArtForz> in crossfire mode 2nd core should produce incorrect reults from time to time
2692 2011-02-19 21:29:17 <[Tycho]> Still hadn't found any block with any version :)
2693 2011-02-19 21:29:31 <[Tycho]> But pool mining goes fine.
2694 2011-02-19 21:29:38 <TheKid> ArtForz: I was running dual 5870s in crossfire and was getting blocks
2695 2011-02-19 21:29:53 <ArtForz> again, I said "from time to time"
2696 2011-02-19 21:30:32 <ArtForz> as in, it doesnt *always* return garbage
2697 2011-02-19 21:31:03 <[Noodles]> think it was on jgarziks pool that only the new version on core1 sent invalid results, the old version on core2 didnt sent a single one
2698 2011-02-19 21:31:24 <[Noodles]> isnt that strange?
2699 2011-02-19 21:31:29 <ArtForz> actually no miner should ever *send* invalid results
2700 2011-02-19 21:31:47 <ArtForz> of course old versuions of m0s didnt even *check* results returned by kernel
2701 2011-02-19 21:31:58 <[Noodles]> well, reported by the server as invalid
2702 2011-02-19 21:32:06 <ArtForz> thats... weird
2703 2011-02-19 21:32:08 <citiz3n> i also never found any blocks with m0mchil's miner
2704 2011-02-19 21:32:12 <[Noodles]> as said, that's server-side reports
2705 2011-02-19 21:32:20 <citiz3n> i should have gotten a block on average every 10 hours
2706 2011-02-19 21:32:29 <citiz3n> but didn't get any in almost 36 hours :(
2707 2011-02-19 21:32:34 <[Noodles]> anyway, in havent found another way to get core2 running on windows
2708 2011-02-19 21:32:38 <jgarzik> [Noodles]: I forget...  were we seeing duplicate hashes or invalid hashes?  I thought we were simply seeing a lot of dups from your miners
2709 2011-02-19 21:32:40 <citiz3n> pool mining works fine though, as you stated
2710 2011-02-19 21:32:43 <[Noodles]> and it works fine for me
2711 2011-02-19 21:32:52 <ArtForz> jgarzik: wild mix of everything
2712 2011-02-19 21:33:10 <ArtForz> looked like memory access on one GPU corrupting memory on the other
2713 2011-02-19 21:33:12 <jgarzik> I'm pretty sure [Noodles] problem was duplicates.
2714 2011-02-19 21:33:20 <jgarzik> few if any invalids
2715 2011-02-19 21:33:47 <ArtForz> *shrug*
2716 2011-02-19 21:33:58 <ArtForz> as in, whenever #1 found a nonce suddenly #2 found the same one
2717 2011-02-19 21:34:24 <jgarzik> occasionally I'd see blatantly invalid hashes from the CAL miners, too.  ie. where hash > (H=0x0fffffff)
2718 2011-02-19 21:34:46 <jgarzik> ArtForz: yeah, saw that a lot
2719 2011-02-19 21:34:59 <ArtForz> I'm seeing 0 bad nonces, unless I'm really pushing the OC
2720 2011-02-19 21:35:34 <ArtForz> my current working theory is, opencl + xfire = fail because writes done by #1 get duplicated to #2s memory
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2722 2011-02-19 21:36:56 <[Tycho]> Old miner is the only way to mine on 5970 for me :)
2723 2011-02-19 21:37:05 <TheKid> ArtForz: is there a good way to mine with 5970s in windows?
2724 2011-02-19 21:37:09 <ArtForz> hrrrrrm
2725 2011-02-19 21:37:16 <ArtForz> just wondering something
2726 2011-02-19 21:37:51 <[Noodles]> let me know if you get core2 to work in any other way
2727 2011-02-19 21:37:55 <ArtForz> if it's really writes getting duplicated, what happens if you alloc the same buffer on both GPUs and use only part of it on each...
2728 2011-02-19 21:38:07 <sipa> ArtForz: was just about to suggest the same :)
2729 2011-02-19 21:38:17 <[Tycho]> There is only 2-3 months left, so it's not really matters anymore :)
2730 2011-02-19 21:38:27 <sipa> why?
2731 2011-02-19 21:38:31 <ArtForz> 2-3 months of what left?
2732 2011-02-19 21:38:36 <[Tycho]> Of mining.
2733 2011-02-19 21:38:41 <sipa> why?
2734 2011-02-19 21:38:49 <[Tycho]> Then difficulty will become too high to mine.
2735 2011-02-19 21:39:00 <ArtForz> can I borrow your time machine?
2736 2011-02-19 21:39:03 <TheKid> and lots of people will leave and the difficulty will lower ;)
2737 2011-02-19 21:39:03 <sipa> and either some will stop mining, decreasing the difficulty
2738 2011-02-19 21:39:12 <ArtForz> yep
2739 2011-02-19 21:39:16 <sipa> or the btc price will rise, and it will remain profitable
2740 2011-02-19 21:39:26 <[Tycho]> It goes only to past :)
2741 2011-02-19 21:39:43 <sipa> i can travel in time
2742 2011-02-19 21:39:51 <[Tycho]> You people are optimists :)
2743 2011-02-19 21:39:54 <sipa> at a rate of slightly less than 3600s per hour
2744 2011-02-19 21:39:54 <ArtForz> sipa: I do that all the time
2745 2011-02-19 21:40:01 <ArtForz> yeah :P
2746 2011-02-19 21:40:19 <ArtForz> nice graph at http://bitcoin.atspace.com/income.html
2747 2011-02-19 21:40:21 <sipa> [Tycho]: you don't get it... mining will always be an equilibrium
2748 2011-02-19 21:40:22 <[Tycho]> Some months ago many others had the same thoughts
2749 2011-02-19 21:40:33 <sipa> the profit margins may become small
2750 2011-02-19 21:40:44 <sipa> and only those with the best performing hardware may remain
2751 2011-02-19 21:40:51 <sipa> but for those, it will always be profitable
2752 2011-02-19 21:40:54 * [Tycho] likes making graphs :)
2753 2011-02-19 21:41:14 <ArtForz> now compare that to difficulty increases
2754 2011-02-19 21:41:49 <docl> some big multinational corp with their own manufacturing facilities could corner the market on mining or something like that
2755 2011-02-19 21:41:54 <ArtForz> looks decently correlated imo
2756 2011-02-19 21:43:20 <ArtForz> wild guess, back to 15% or so growth per period after $/100Mh drops < 2 again
2757 2011-02-19 21:44:51 <jgarzik> I think the end state will be that mining is done on a slightly-unprofitable basis by those with a vested interest to keep the network strong.
2758 2011-02-19 21:45:02 <ArtForz> long-term, yes
2759 2011-02-19 21:45:19 <jgarzik> yes, that's many years down the road
2760 2011-02-19 21:45:21 <lfm> or only those with free power will mine
2761 2011-02-19 21:45:24 <ArtForz> and they'll still be trying to increase efficiency
2762 2011-02-19 21:45:42 <jgarzik> banks will just buy dedicated mining chips in bulk :)
2763 2011-02-19 21:45:46 <ArtForz> yep
2764 2011-02-19 21:46:14 <ArtForz> once the market's big enough, true mining ASICs are a real possiblility
2765 2011-02-19 21:46:18 <ArtForz> -l
2766 2011-02-19 21:46:50 <db8393> very similar to all other financial markets. the big mining operations make a living, the wall street traders make a killing
2767 2011-02-19 21:46:52 <sipa> ArtForz: can you do a reasonable guess how fast a dedicated custom asic could be?
2768 2011-02-19 21:47:12 <ArtForz> uhmmm... pretty much as fast as you want
2769 2011-02-19 21:47:20 <sipa> right
2770 2011-02-19 21:47:30 <ArtForz> just depends on how big you want to make it
2771 2011-02-19 21:47:45 <sipa> obviously, it's 100% parallellizable, so twice the chip surface and power -> twice the speed
2772 2011-02-19 21:47:50 <ArtForz> yep
2773 2011-02-19 21:48:40 <jgarzik> need a lot of ram / register space, if you wanna produce one hash per clock cycle, I imagine
2774 2011-02-19 21:48:43 <docl> so will the price of bitcoin tend to correlate with the cost of rented processor time?
2775 2011-02-19 21:48:45 <ArtForz> yes
2776 2011-02-19 21:48:57 <ArtForz> and a shitload of fast adders
2777 2011-02-19 21:49:09 <ArtForz> the other stuff is pretty much negligible
2778 2011-02-19 21:49:30 <ArtForz> the 5-input add is the really slow part
2779 2011-02-19 21:50:28 <ArtForz> easiest way is to pipeline it into 2 2-input and a 3-input add
2780 2011-02-19 21:51:09 <ArtForz> = you need about 1.5kbit per round
2781 2011-02-19 21:52:38 <ArtForz> 120 rounds, so ... 184k FFs for one engine
2782 2011-02-19 21:53:17 <sipa> ge waart gisteren ni in dewerf?
2783 2011-02-19 21:53:23 <sipa> oops, wrong window!
2784 2011-02-19 21:54:04 <ArtForz> 8 2-input adders, 1 3-input adder per round, and 8 2-input adders between blocks
2785 2011-02-19 21:54:19 <sipa> ArtForz: you mean a pipeline step between the two additions?
2786 2011-02-19 21:54:22 <ArtForz> yes
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2788 2011-02-19 21:55:12 <jgarzik> heh, wow
2789 2011-02-19 21:55:13 <ArtForz> you can also move the h+k[i]+w[i] up one stage
2790 2011-02-19 21:55:50 <ArtForz> same thing for parts of the W update
2791 2011-02-19 21:56:06 <ArtForz> still needs the same number of adders though
2792 2011-02-19 21:56:31 <sipa> never expected flipflops to be so cheap in terms of delays that it would pay off to use so many
2793 2011-02-19 21:57:04 <[Tycho]> Some people recently found a new ATI opcode that is not generated by compiler and should be patched dynamically in RAM :)
2794 2011-02-19 21:57:07 <ArtForz> = 960 32-bit 2-input adders, 120 32-bit 3-input adders
2795 2011-02-19 21:57:39 <ArtForz> [Tycho]: guess how I'm getting 604Mh/s from a stock 5970 ...
2796 2011-02-19 21:57:59 <TheKid> ArtForz: what is it that you found?
2797 2011-02-19 21:58:09 <ArtForz> mrb found it really
2798 2011-02-19 21:58:37 <ArtForz> BFI_INT opcode can be used to implement ch() in 1 cycle
2799 2011-02-19 21:58:58 <ArtForz> and shorten maj() from 4 to 3 ops
2800 2011-02-19 21:59:06 <sipa> that compiler doesn't happen to be open-source i guess
2801 2011-02-19 21:59:11 <ArtForz> what compiler?
2802 2011-02-19 21:59:17 <sipa> ati opencl compiler
2803 2011-02-19 21:59:29 <ArtForz> I'm using CAL IL
2804 2011-02-19 21:59:51 <ArtForz> and patching the shader binary in the generated ELF image
2805 2011-02-19 22:00:10 <sipa> yes, i heard
2806 2011-02-19 22:00:37 <sipa> but if you could modify the opencl compiler, i suppose it would be possible to hack support for BFI_INT in
2807 2011-02-19 22:00:38 <ArtForz> nott too hard really, file and opcode formats are documented
2808 2011-02-19 22:00:42 <ArtForz> no
2809 2011-02-19 22:01:03 <ArtForz> the problem is, IL doesnt have support for a BFI_INT-like instruction
2810 2011-02-19 22:01:28 <sipa> ah so the problem is even at a lower leven
2811 2011-02-19 22:01:46 <ArtForz> and the IL->asm compiler isnt smart enough to recognize "hey, I can use a BFI_INT to replace that IL op sequence here"
2812 2011-02-19 22:02:18 <ArtForz> probably because in normal shaders, no one uses BFI_INT directly
2813 2011-02-19 22:02:20 <lfm> no way to just put inline asm then eh
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2817 2011-02-19 22:02:45 <glassresistor> hey everybody
2818 2011-02-19 22:02:51 <lfm> hi
2819 2011-02-19 22:03:03 <ArtForz> nope
2820 2011-02-19 22:03:14 <glassresistor> so im looking to buy a new set of gpus with some of my btc profits
2821 2011-02-19 22:03:24 <ArtForz> 8% over the fastest CL kernel isnt too shabby
2822 2011-02-19 22:03:27 <TheKid> 5970s :P
2823 2011-02-19 22:03:40 <TheKid> ArtForz: any chance you can make your code public?
2824 2011-02-19 22:03:41 <ArtForz> a bit more would be possible, but I can't be arsed
2825 2011-02-19 22:03:53 <glassresistor> i'd really like one of the newer radeons with like 800-3200 stream procs but have never gotten them to work
2826 2011-02-19 22:04:05 <ArtForz> that would destroy mrbs business model :P
2827 2011-02-19 22:04:26 <TheKid> what is his business model?
2828 2011-02-19 22:04:35 <sipa> selling a miner which does use that
2829 2011-02-19 22:04:50 <ArtForz> 400btc iirc
2830 2011-02-19 22:05:21 <glassresistor> im running ubuntu 10.10 and have tried the drivers from both the repos and the ati site
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2832 2011-02-19 22:05:46 <glassresistor> has anyone found a tutorial that works at getting the ati stream procs working?
2833 2011-02-19 22:06:34 <ArtForz> dunno, shit works fine here
2834 2011-02-19 22:06:45 <glassresistor> both drivers work but i haven't managed to get the ati sdk install working
2835 2011-02-19 22:06:53 <ArtForz> what install?
2836 2011-02-19 22:06:54 <glassresistor> ArtForz: your running 10.10?
2837 2011-02-19 22:07:05 <ArtForz> I tested it
2838 2011-02-19 22:07:11 <ArtForz> I'm running debian sid
2839 2011-02-19 22:07:15 <glassresistor> which drivers and sdk pack did you use?
2840 2011-02-19 22:07:42 <ArtForz> adms and debianized 10.10 through 10.12, sdk 2.1 through 2.3 from amds site
2841 2011-02-19 22:07:44 <glassresistor> but you tested it on 10.1
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2843 2011-02-19 22:08:10 <sipa> glassresistor: running sdk 2.1 on ubuntu 10.10 right now
2844 2011-02-19 22:08:21 <ArtForz> finally settled for fglrx 10.10 + sdk 2.1 for my 58/59xx, fglrx 10.12 + sdk 2.3 for my 68xx and 69xx
2845 2011-02-19 22:08:22 <glassresistor> sipa: any hiccups on the install?
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2847 2011-02-19 22:08:30 <ArtForz> what install?
2848 2011-02-19 22:08:31 <sipa> glassresistor: took me a while, but it works
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2850 2011-02-19 22:09:09 <glassresistor> sipa: did you use the repos or off the ati website?
2851 2011-02-19 22:09:41 <sipa> binary from ati site -> generate installer for my platform -> installed that
2852 2011-02-19 22:09:48 <sipa> sdk 2.1 downloaded and unpacked
2853 2011-02-19 22:09:58 <sipa> git pulled diablominer
2854 2011-02-19 22:10:03 <sipa> set some env vars
2855 2011-02-19 22:10:04 <sipa> and run
2856 2011-02-19 22:10:08 <ArtForz> untar the icd-registration.tgz in / as root, untar the sdk in some folder, export LD_LIBARAY_PATH=/path/to/sdk/lib/x86 or 64 for amd64, done
2857 2011-02-19 22:10:30 <Raulo> mrb's miner is no faster OpenCL one unless he improved it. I also get 570 MH/s in 5970 with m0mchil's code
2858 2011-02-19 22:10:37 <lfm> glassresistor: I never found a repo that was even close
2859 2011-02-19 22:10:50 <glassresistor> sipa: im using poclbm
2860 2011-02-19 22:10:55 <ArtForz> Raulo: at stock clock?
2861 2011-02-19 22:11:26 <sipa> for poclbm, it's a bit harder since i had to compile pyopencl myself (though people have told me that wasn't actually necessary)
2862 2011-02-19 22:11:48 <glassresistor> sipa: what do you mean genereated installer from your platform?
2863 2011-02-19 22:12:07 <sipa> glassresistor: that .bin file with the driver in, you can ask it to generate a .deb
2864 2011-02-19 22:12:15 <glassresistor> pyopencl works fine with nvidia does it not with ati?
2865 2011-02-19 22:12:27 <glassresistor> how
2866 2011-02-19 22:12:31 <ArtForz> never had much luck with ati installers generating debs
2867 2011-02-19 22:12:53 <sipa> glassresistor: the package depends on nvidia stuff
2868 2011-02-19 22:13:04 <sipa> and i didn't want nvidia stuff cluttering my system
2869 2011-02-19 22:13:09 <lfm> glassresistor: yes pyopencl works with nvidia from repo, not ati
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2875 2011-02-19 22:18:16 <Raulo> ArtForz: Yes, stock clock. 314 MH/s per core @ 800 MHz.
2876 2011-02-19 22:20:32 <ArtForz> sounds a bit high, but whatever
2877 2011-02-19 22:20:32 <[Tycho]> Stock clock for 5970 is 725 MHz.
2878 2011-02-19 22:21:30 <Raulo> Well, it's how it works for me. I run it in difficulty 1 and the blocks it throws agree with the hahspeed
2879 2011-02-19 22:21:33 <sipa> 314MH/s @ 800MHz = 569MH/s @ 725MHz
2880 2011-02-19 22:22:10 <Raulo> Yep, more or less. I get 570 MH/s @ 725MHz
2881 2011-02-19 22:22:36 <sipa> with m0's miner?
2882 2011-02-19 22:22:44 <Raulo> Yes.
2883 2011-02-19 22:22:47 <ArtForz> sounds about 1% too high
2884 2011-02-19 22:23:16 <sipa> indeed, i think i get 620MH/s at 800MHz
2885 2011-02-19 22:23:31 <sipa> a bit less even maybe
2886 2011-02-19 22:23:37 <Raulo> 10.12 Catalyst, sdk 2.1
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2888 2011-02-19 22:23:41 <ArtForz> you *can* get 564-565 out of m0s if you throw responsiveness out the window
2889 2011-02-19 22:24:04 <newsham> is anyone working on ipv6 support for the bitcoin client?
2890 2011-02-19 22:24:06 <Raulo> I run -f 2
2891 2011-02-19 22:24:24 <ArtForz> yes, so are a lot of other people
2892 2011-02-19 22:24:29 <[Tycho]> Who would need ipv6 ? :)
2893 2011-02-19 22:24:45 <newsham> pepole with ipv6 networks I would assume?
2894 2011-02-19 22:25:11 <Raulo> Anyway, even with 565 MH/s stock it is not worth buying mrb's core for an extra 1% gain
2895 2011-02-19 22:25:14 <ArtForz> sounds like a good guess ;)
2896 2011-02-19 22:25:23 <bk128> ArtForz: did you have to use carry look ahead adders?
2897 2011-02-19 22:25:25 <ArtForz> Raulo: maybe not for you
2898 2011-02-19 22:25:35 <newsham> i just got my ip6 addr.
2899 2011-02-19 22:25:38 <sipa> Raulo: it's more than 1% i guess
2900 2011-02-19 22:25:55 <ArtForz> bk128: nope
2901 2011-02-19 22:25:57 <Raulo> He claims 570 MH/s
2902 2011-02-19 22:26:10 <sipa> ArtForz claims 604 MH/s :)
2903 2011-02-19 22:26:11 <bk128> at what clock speed would you need those?
2904 2011-02-19 22:26:11 <Raulo> Unless he improved it. It's only 1% at best.
2905 2011-02-19 22:26:32 <ArtForz> bk128: I used what was available in hadware
2906 2011-02-19 22:26:36 <ArtForz> might be CLAs actually
2907 2011-02-19 22:26:41 <bitcoiner> art did you modify ur 5770 ?
2908 2011-02-19 22:26:47 <ArtForz> my 5770s? yes
2909 2011-02-19 22:27:04 <bitcoiner> hardware modification ?
2910 2011-02-19 22:27:08 <ArtForz> removed fans, flashed BIOS with higher max OC clock
2911 2011-02-19 22:27:18 <bitcoiner> they run no fan ?
2912 2011-02-19 22:27:21 <ArtForz> yep
2913 2011-02-19 22:27:26 <bitcoiner> lol how u cool them ?
2914 2011-02-19 22:27:31 <ArtForz> 120mm fan shared for 4 cards
2915 2011-02-19 22:27:36 <bitcoiner> I see
2916 2011-02-19 22:27:52 <bitcoiner> I cant get past 945 mhz without making it crash any hints ?
2917 2011-02-19 22:27:53 <LtBrenton> anyone got any solutions for speeding up a CUDA card?
2918 2011-02-19 22:27:56 <ArtForz> http://bayimg.com/nAOAgaACJ
2919 2011-02-19 22:27:57 <LtBrenton> specifically a GTS 450?
2920 2011-02-19 22:28:11 <ArtForz> theres 4 5770s under the shroud
2921 2011-02-19 22:28:47 <docl> niiice
2922 2011-02-19 22:29:12 <lfm> bitcoiner: dont go over 945 Mhz then
2923 2011-02-19 22:29:14 <ArtForz> also removed their slot brackets
2924 2011-02-19 22:29:23 <bitcoiner> is that melanine ?
2925 2011-02-19 22:29:41 <ArtForz> base board is MDF
2926 2011-02-19 22:30:07 <ArtForz> shroud is a few pieces of laminate flooring
2927 2011-02-19 22:30:27 <ArtForz> = HDF
2928 2011-02-19 22:30:29 <newsham> how many of those do you have?  do those stack?
2929 2011-02-19 22:30:34 <ArtForz> one
2930 2011-02-19 22:30:37 <ArtForz> it was a prototype
2931 2011-02-19 22:31:06 <ArtForz> after that I started building those: http://bayimg.com/eABDfaAdd
2932 2011-02-19 22:31:16 <ArtForz> 4*5970
2933 2011-02-19 22:32:23 <bitcoiner> did u get ur chip running yet ?
2934 2011-02-19 22:32:24 <newsham> cool
2935 2011-02-19 22:32:28 <ArtForz> yeah
2936 2011-02-19 22:32:44 <bitcoiner> got picz ?
2937 2011-02-19 22:32:48 <ArtForz> nope
2938 2011-02-19 22:32:56 <ArtForz> got 4.8GH/s of ASICs running now
2939 2011-02-19 22:33:06 <bitcoiner> thats how many chips
2940 2011-02-19 22:33:09 <ArtForz> 24
2941 2011-02-19 22:33:14 <ArtForz> out of 100
2942 2011-02-19 22:33:27 <bitcoiner> what going on with the 76 left
2943 2011-02-19 22:33:51 <ArtForz> erm, I'm slowly working through them
2944 2011-02-19 22:34:27 <bitcoiner> so when do you plan to open a factory in china ?
2945 2011-02-19 22:34:31 <rlifchitz> what asics are you using?
2946 2011-02-19 22:34:56 <ArtForz> errr... application specific ones?
2947 2011-02-19 22:35:07 <sipa> rlifchitz: he designed them himself
2948 2011-02-19 22:35:11 <ArtForz> doing more than 8 chips a day drives me crazy
2949 2011-02-19 22:35:31 <TheKid> ArtForz: what do you have to do?
2950 2011-02-19 22:35:31 <rlifchitz> not publicly available fpgas?
2951 2011-02-19 22:35:36 <ArtForz> the chips themselves wouldnt be that bad (paste, place, reflow, done)
2952 2011-02-19 22:35:37 <sipa> asic != fpga
2953 2011-02-19 22:36:03 <ArtForz> 2 dozen decoupling caps in 0402 ... are
2954 2011-02-19 22:37:01 <newsham> not enough boards to make it worthwhile to let someone else fab it?
2955 2011-02-19 22:37:05 <ArtForz> yep
2956 2011-02-19 22:37:07 <ArtForz> you can pretty much forget reflowing em, tombstone galore
2957 2011-02-19 22:37:41 <ArtForz> so ... I'm manually soldering them
2958 2011-02-19 22:38:09 <TheKid> manually soldering PGA chips?
2959 2011-02-19 22:38:18 <rlifchitz> it's your business or a hobby?
2960 2011-02-19 22:38:22 <ArtForz> no, 0402 capacitors
2961 2011-02-19 22:38:45 <bitcoiner> what were you doing before bitcoins art ?
2962 2011-02-19 22:38:47 <ArtForz> the bga chips and bigger caps I do via reflow (duh)
2963 2011-02-19 22:38:47 <TheKid> oh, that's not as bad
2964 2011-02-19 22:39:21 <ArtForz> okay, now do 150 in a row ;)
2965 2011-02-19 22:40:10 <jnd> ArtForz: how many watts per chip?
2966 2011-02-19 22:40:34 <ArtForz> about 7
2967 2011-02-19 22:40:54 <rlifchitz> nice :)
2968 2011-02-19 22:41:10 <jnd> it is :)
2969 2011-02-19 22:41:45 <ArtForz> 6.4W at 0.95V core, but not all chips are stable at that voltage and 200MHz core
2970 2011-02-19 22:42:02 <TheKid> ArtForz: and each one produces 2000 Mh/s?
2971 2011-02-19 22:42:04 * [Tycho] don't likes SMD :)
2972 2011-02-19 22:42:06 <sipa> 200
2973 2011-02-19 22:42:27 <ArtForz> and in my current design all chips on one module run off the same supply and clock
2974 2011-02-19 22:43:43 <ArtForz> slowest I got so far starts erroring at ~190MHz at 0.95V
2975 2011-02-19 22:44:22 <TheKid> hmm
2976 2011-02-19 22:44:27 <TheKid> willing to sell these chips?
2977 2011-02-19 22:45:34 <[Tycho]> I don't think that there are many bitcoiners with reflow and pcb-creating skills...
2978 2011-02-19 22:46:41 <bk128> ArtForz: in your gpu miner boxes, did you just use 6-32 bolts through the bottom with some nuts/washers for standoffs to mount the motherboard?
2979 2011-02-19 22:46:42 * docl can hand-solder stuff
2980 2011-02-19 22:46:46 <bitcoiner> bitcoiners lol
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2982 2011-02-19 22:47:10 <ArtForz> bk128: I was even cheaper
2983 2011-02-19 22:47:49 <ArtForz> 3mm hole in board, 6-32 hex standoff + 6-32 screw
2984 2011-02-19 22:48:33 <ArtForz> 6-32s nicely cut their own thread in mdf or chipboard
2985 2011-02-19 22:48:40 <bk128> did you use 3/4" mdf for the top bottom and sides?
2986 2011-02-19 22:48:59 <ArtForz> top/bottom are 16mm, sides are 19mm
2987 2011-02-19 22:49:16 <bk128> because you thread into the sides?
2988 2011-02-19 22:49:22 <ArtForz> yep
2989 2011-02-19 22:49:28 <ArtForz> and because the sides are load-bearing
2990 2011-02-19 22:50:12 <ArtForz> each box also has small rubber feet
2991 2011-02-19 22:50:14 <bk128> I just cut up wood for mine.  I just had .5" mdf lying around.  It's going to be too thin to thread into.  probably going to cut up some aluminum angle into angle braces
2992 2011-02-19 22:50:18 <bk128> fancy
2993 2011-02-19 22:50:26 <ArtForz> otherwise they start walking from fan vibrations :P
2994 2011-02-19 22:50:30 <bk128> haha
2995 2011-02-19 22:50:55 <bk128> I was going to try to use a jigsaw, but fortunately got access to a table saw today.   would have been a nightmare with a jigsaw
2996 2011-02-19 22:51:39 <ArtForz> yeah
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2998 2011-02-19 22:52:53 <ArtForz> cut to size on table saw
2999 2011-02-19 22:53:13 <bk128> cutting boxes is easy.  Today was actually my first time using a table saw
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3001 2011-02-19 22:53:44 <ArtForz> created a template for the back panel cutouts with a jigsaw, copied it with a router
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3003 2011-02-19 22:54:28 <bk128> good idea.  I'll have to do that for my next box
3004 2011-02-19 22:55:30 <bk128> although I'll have to redesign my next one.  this one is only 2 cards.  MSI 870-G45
3005 2011-02-19 22:55:37 <ArtForz> so I just have to manually do the corners
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3007 2011-02-19 22:55:49 <ArtForz> well, my new boxes are just 2 5970s, too
3008 2011-02-19 22:55:56 <bk128> not building those anymore though, right?
3009 2011-02-19 22:55:57 <ArtForz> yep, 870-G45
3010 2011-02-19 22:55:59 <ArtForz> yea
3011 2011-02-19 22:56:09 <bk128> are you buying cheap 2u chassis?
3012 2011-02-19 22:56:13 <ArtForz> 4U
3013 2011-02-19 22:56:34 <bk128> cards are all vertical?
3014 2011-02-19 22:56:39 <ArtForz> yea
3015 2011-02-19 22:56:58 <ArtForz> I dont like running fans non-vertical
3016 2011-02-19 22:57:00 <bk128> how big is each board?
3017 2011-02-19 22:57:08 <ArtForz> huh?
3018 2011-02-19 22:57:17 <ArtForz> they're 5970s
3019 2011-02-19 22:57:21 <bk128> don't you have 4-6 asics and an fpga per board
3020 2011-02-19 22:57:25 <ArtForz> oh, you mean my ASICs?
3021 2011-02-19 22:57:29 <bk128> yeah, sorry
3022 2011-02-19 22:57:52 <ArtForz> each module with heatsinks is 200 mm wide x 94 mm deep x 35mm high
3023 2011-02-19 22:58:31 <glassresistor> lfm: so how do i get pyopencl to work with ati
3024 2011-02-19 22:58:35 <ArtForz> 2 wide 2 high in 2U with 5 80mm fans in front
3025 2011-02-19 22:58:44 <glassresistor> lfm: does the pip version work?
3026 2011-02-19 23:02:23 <afed_> ;;bc,stats
3027 2011-02-19 23:02:25 <gribble> Current Blocks: 109182 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 1697 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 6 hours, 1 minute, and 27 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 46601.65534602
3028 2011-02-19 23:02:37 <ArtForz> cooling is already marginal as is, otehrise I could fit em 2 deep, too :/
3029 2011-02-19 23:03:38 <afed_> ArtForz: you decided against liquid cooling for this correct?
3030 2011-02-19 23:03:43 <ArtForz> yea
3031 2011-02-19 23:03:49 <ArtForz> it'd be pretty much useless
3032 2011-02-19 23:04:02 <ArtForz> the heatsinks are barely above ambient
3033 2011-02-19 23:04:27 <afed_> ah
3034 2011-02-19 23:04:37 <lfm> glassresistor: Im not sure, I never got pyopencl working on ati
3035 2011-02-19 23:04:39 <ArtForz> molded plastic BGA has crappy Tjc
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3037 2011-02-19 23:06:02 <glassresistor> lfm: so how are people mining with radeon?
3038 2011-02-19 23:06:43 <ArtForz> I'll prolly try setting up one module with TECs + coldplate so I can push em a bit
3039 2011-02-19 23:07:16 <ArtForz> up to 1.2V core is fine according to spec
3040 2011-02-19 23:07:49 <lfm> glassresistor: diablominer doesnt use pyopencl
3041 2011-02-19 23:07:56 <ArtForz> should be able to get >250MHz core at 1.2
3042 2011-02-19 23:08:28 <ArtForz> at north of 12W per chip though
3043 2011-02-19 23:09:02 <ArtForz> and that with a package really designed for maybe 5W max dissipation
3044 2011-02-19 23:09:18 <TheKid> heh
3045 2011-02-19 23:10:41 <glassresistor> lfm: link to the diablo miner?
3046 2011-02-19 23:10:53 <glassresistor> lfm: how does it compare in terms of speed?
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3049 2011-02-19 23:13:28 <lfm> glassresistor: https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1721.0
3050 2011-02-19 23:15:12 <jnd> I'm using poclbm on ati
3051 2011-02-19 23:16:42 <jnd> diablo didn't work for me, it had huge lags and connection problems
3052 2011-02-19 23:16:42 <lfm> jnd wanna give glassresistor  a few clues? what distro is it? which drivers?
3053 2011-02-19 23:16:43 <afed_> ArtForz: is there a better packaging option?
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3055 2011-02-19 23:16:58 <ArtForz> yes, but a lot more expesnive
3056 2011-02-19 23:17:21 <jnd> I have arch, it has all packaged or in AUR
3057 2011-02-19 23:17:27 <afed_> lame
3058 2011-02-19 23:17:47 <glassresistor> jnd: how
3059 2011-02-19 23:18:03 <glassresistor> jnd: did you compile it yourself? or use pip
3060 2011-02-19 23:18:09 <jnd> currently running catalyst 11.2 and sdk 2.3
3061 2011-02-19 23:18:13 <glassresistor> thanks
3062 2011-02-19 23:18:16 <ArtForz> well, these things are usually used for communication and crap where maybe 20% of the chip is active at any time
3063 2011-02-19 23:18:37 <glassresistor> jnd: pm? so we dont bog oup the channel
3064 2011-02-19 23:18:42 <jnd> ok
3065 2011-02-19 23:18:47 <ArtForz> not 80% of the chip at "as fast as it'll go"
3066 2011-02-19 23:19:20 <afed_> so your chip is discounted based on its intended use
3067 2011-02-19 23:20:07 <afed_> the one in a ceramic and metal package intended for 80%/as fast as it'll go costs full price
3068 2011-02-19 23:20:14 <ArtForz> pretty much
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3070 2011-02-19 23:22:31 <bk128> ArtForz: do you have hdd's in your gpu miners or do you network boot?
3071 2011-02-19 23:23:03 <ArtForz> 30G 5.4k ata hds
3072 2011-02-19 23:23:29 <ArtForz> got a box full of em somewhere
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3074 2011-02-19 23:23:32 <bk128> find them on ebay?
3075 2011-02-19 23:24:50 <ArtForz> iirc nope
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3077 2011-02-19 23:26:06 <TheKid> heh
3078 2011-02-19 23:26:11 <TheKid> I'd love to buy a box of hard drives
3079 2011-02-19 23:26:19 <TheKid> that would be impressive to just... have
3080 2011-02-19 23:27:40 <afed_> someday you'll have a box of hard drives
3081 2011-02-19 23:27:40 <tcatm> Got a box of old IBM SCSI drives somewhere. IIRC 200MB each
3082 2011-02-19 23:27:46 <afed_> and you won't be happy about it
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3085 2011-02-19 23:28:31 <TheKid> afed_: but until I have those, I'll keep thinking it'll be great
3086 2011-02-19 23:28:33 <TheKid> nah I mean at least sata
3087 2011-02-19 23:28:47 <TheKid> preferably 2.5" but I'd take 3.5
3088 2011-02-19 23:28:49 <bk128> TheKid: I have an assortment of 15 drives in my basement.  and a tower of 12 cd/dvd drives.  + boxes of ram.  I once sold 76 sticks of pc133 on ebay
3089 2011-02-19 23:29:01 <TheKid> wow
3090 2011-02-19 23:29:03 <TheKid> from where?
3091 2011-02-19 23:29:31 <bk128> want some?
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3093 2011-02-19 23:29:37 <TheKid> nah haha
3094 2011-02-19 23:29:42 <TheKid> not enough liquid finances right now :)
3095 2011-02-19 23:29:53 <TheKid> who would buy 76 sticks of pc133?
3096 2011-02-19 23:31:33 <lfm> when was it sold? 1988?
3097 2011-02-19 23:32:53 <[Tycho]> pc133 is pretty recent and it's more expensive that the latest dram.
3098 2011-02-19 23:34:01 <bk128> TheKid: dunno.  it was a while ago
3099 2011-02-19 23:34:31 <lfm> [Tycho]: nope
3100 2011-02-19 23:35:13 <lfm> [Tycho]: it is more expensive but only cuz its obsolete
3101 2011-02-19 23:35:17 <[Tycho]> Yes.
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3108 2011-02-19 23:57:18 <Mango-chan> Current round started at:	2011-02-19 21:19:24 UTC
3109 2011-02-19 23:57:18 <Mango-chan> Current round duration:	2:30:20
3110 2011-02-19 23:57:19 <Mango-chan> are we really
3111 2011-02-19 23:57:22 <Mango-chan> hitting such terrible luck
3112 2011-02-19 23:58:05 <bitcoiner> another 9 hours ?
3113 2011-02-19 23:58:07 <bitcoiner> :P
3114 2011-02-19 23:59:32 <glassresistor> this is wierd i just sent myself some bitcoins, to a different computer in the same house
3115 2011-02-19 23:59:47 <glassresistor> and the recieving computer hasn't updatd