1 2011-02-22 00:00:12 <tcatm> they should (when receiving coins)
2 2011-02-22 00:00:41 <BlueMatt> dont on my screen (git from last night)
3 2011-02-22 00:01:08 <BlueMatt> /last night
4 2011-02-22 00:01:14 <BlueMatt> /this morning
5 2011-02-22 00:01:18 <tcatm> So it shows the address in info column?
6 2011-02-22 00:01:39 <BlueMatt> yea
7 2011-02-22 00:01:43 <BlueMatt> for sends
8 2011-02-22 00:02:30 <tcatm> Oh. What else should it show for sends?
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12 2011-02-22 00:03:01 <BlueMatt> on my system, there are acounts listed for sends
13 2011-02-22 00:03:09 <BlueMatt> in the balance tab
14 2011-02-22 00:03:20 <BlueMatt> ie accounts which arent mine
15 2011-02-22 00:04:02 <tcatm> ?
16 2011-02-22 00:04:34 <BlueMatt> with the rest of the accounts, I have accounts which I sent btc to, ie aren't mine
17 2011-02-22 00:04:44 <BlueMatt> in the balance tab
18 2011-02-22 00:04:50 <BlueMatt> /section
19 2011-02-22 00:05:34 <tcatm> there should be only accounts you own...
20 2011-02-22 00:05:41 <BlueMatt> not on my screen
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22 2011-02-22 00:06:39 <tcatm> I can't reproduce that. Can you make a screenshot?
23 2011-02-22 00:06:48 <BlueMatt> lemme copy paste some rpc outputs in /msgs
24 2011-02-22 00:06:55 <tcatm> k
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29 2011-02-22 17:36:28 <tcatm> BlueMatt: 0.3.4?
30 2011-02-22 17:36:41 <BlueMatt> 0.3.2
31 2011-02-22 17:36:49 <tcatm> hm try 0.3.4
32 2011-02-22 17:36:54 <BlueMatt> doing that now
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34 2011-02-22 17:39:42 <BlueMatt> no seems fine now
35 2011-02-22 17:39:50 <BlueMatt> I guess you had fixed that
36 2011-02-22 17:39:53 <BlueMatt> sorry
37 2011-02-22 17:42:16 <tcatm> Yep, I think I fixed a bug that could cause that
38 2011-02-22 17:42:28 <BlueMatt> I guess you did
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43 2011-02-22 17:46:32 <xelister> [ 53916.561] 0: /usr/bin/X (xorg_backtrace+0x28) [0x45c5a8]
44 2011-02-22 17:46:42 <xelister> [ 53916.561] 3: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfb.so (fbCopyNtoN+0x6e) [0x7f866ca3122e]
45 2011-02-22 17:46:49 <xelister> [ 53916.561] Segmentation fault at address 0x18
46 2011-02-22 17:47:10 <xelister> [53918.537423] bitcoin[23494]: segfault at 670 ip 000000000081ad8e sp 00007ff60a7fb630 error 4 in bitcoin[400000+84d000] general protection ip:835fd1 sp:7ff60bffbdd0 error:0 in bitcoin[400000+84d000]
47 2011-02-22 17:47:12 <xelister> cute...
48 2011-02-22 17:47:27 <xelister> well I suppose this time it's my fault for o.c.
49 2011-02-22 17:51:40 <xelister> what was my quit reason?
50 2011-02-22 17:52:10 <Ljrn900> oc is for fools
51 2011-02-22 17:52:22 <lfm> troll
52 2011-02-22 17:52:33 <BlueMatt> very much so
53 2011-02-22 17:52:50 <Ljrn900> oc damages hw
54 2011-02-22 17:53:02 <JFK911> lol
55 2011-02-22 17:53:23 <BlueMatt> we ignore trolls here
56 2011-02-22 17:53:39 <Ljrn900> facts != troll
57 2011-02-22 17:53:39 <JFK911> I've found this chat to be quite responsive
58 2011-02-22 17:53:54 <BlueMatt> ok, well some of us try to ignore trolls
59 2011-02-22 17:54:00 <BlueMatt> not that I do a good job
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61 2011-02-22 17:54:46 <JFK911> Overclocking typically combines the detrimental effects of bad capacitors and electromigration to create a disaster.
62 2011-02-22 17:54:46 <grondilu> from what I see of the source code, 3.20 seems quite different from 3.19 . Is it really safe to update ?
63 2011-02-22 17:54:49 <Ljrn900> we'll see when your hw fries and mine keeps mining
64 2011-02-22 17:54:54 <lfm> ya we are quite responsive to trolls quite often
65 2011-02-22 17:55:05 <Ljrn900> JFK911
66 2011-02-22 17:55:10 <BlueMatt> grondilu: ive been using it for a while
67 2011-02-22 17:55:11 <Ljrn900> JFK911++
68 2011-02-22 17:55:27 <BlueMatt> Does have several new rpc commands which is nice
69 2011-02-22 17:55:30 <JFK911> Ljrn900: But I got enough more btc than you to replace my hardware twice
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71 2011-02-22 17:55:33 <BlueMatt> Also, testnet was reset
72 2011-02-22 17:55:46 <JFK911> Damnit! I was pretty rich on testnet. :(
73 2011-02-22 17:55:57 <MacRohard> how was it reset?
74 2011-02-22 17:56:09 <BlueMatt> new root block, ie all coins on testnet lost
75 2011-02-22 17:56:15 <xelister> JFK911: me too! lets trade lol
76 2011-02-22 17:56:19 <xelister> NOOOO
77 2011-02-22 17:56:21 <xelister> Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
78 2011-02-22 17:56:27 <JFK911> xelister: give me about ten minutes to abuse the bitcoin faucet
79 2011-02-22 17:56:30 <xelister> Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
80 2011-02-22 17:56:33 <MacRohard> how was a new root block added?
81 2011-02-22 17:56:52 * xelister nameless| >:-{
82 2011-02-22 17:57:02 <BlueMatt> root block is hardcoded in the code, and thus they created a new one and coded it in for .3.2
83 2011-02-22 17:57:09 <MacRohard> ahh ok
84 2011-02-22 17:57:15 <xelister> tcatm: they toook auur tstcoooooins
85 2011-02-22 17:57:51 <lfm> BlueMatt: 0.3.20 is not 0.3.2
86 2011-02-22 17:57:52 <tcatm> I don't care. I already have 108350 new testcoins.
87 2011-02-22 17:57:58 <BlueMatt> lfm: excuse me
88 2011-02-22 17:58:08 <JFK911> lol
89 2011-02-22 17:58:09 * xelister ragejoins testnet
90 2011-02-22 17:58:26 <lfm> you're excused
91 2011-02-22 17:58:27 <Diablo-D3> fail
92 2011-02-22 17:58:35 <MacRohard> hehe
93 2011-02-22 17:58:43 * xelister sues
94 2011-02-22 17:59:05 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|xelister: >:-}
95 2011-02-22 17:59:44 <BlueMatt> blockexplorer needs upgrade to 0.3.20 testnet, its still on the old one
96 2011-02-22 17:59:52 * xelister fucks up the testnet with his amazing radeon power
97 2011-02-22 18:00:09 <xelister> ha, ArtForz should join testnet! it worked out really well last time....
98 2011-02-22 18:00:20 <MacRohard> heh
99 2011-02-22 18:00:21 <tcatm> We'll just reset it again.
100 2011-02-22 18:00:22 <xelister> :]
101 2011-02-22 18:00:25 <BlueMatt> dont abuse testnet, the point is anyone can join and generate like crazy
102 2011-02-22 18:00:31 <BlueMatt> to TEST
103 2011-02-22 18:00:32 <MacRohard> can you get over 21million coins that way?
104 2011-02-22 18:00:39 <xelister> BlueMatt: yeah Im generating like crazy :P
105 2011-02-22 18:00:40 <MacRohard> like by doing a ton of work before it has time to adjust?
106 2011-02-22 18:00:56 <tcatm> MacRohard: no
107 2011-02-22 18:00:57 <xelister> MacRohard: nah, it will adjust too quicky, each 2016 blocks, cant cheat that
108 2011-02-22 18:01:05 <MacRohard> ahh yea ok
109 2011-02-22 18:01:08 <xelister> MacRohard: it adjust each N blocks not N minutes
110 2011-02-22 18:01:14 <MacRohard> yup i forgot that
111 2011-02-22 18:01:37 <xelister> nameless|: while betreying us :P why not add rule to lower diff also each 1 day without a block or smth?
112 2011-02-22 18:01:58 <BlueMatt> is block adjust based on timestamps in blocks, or seen times. And how does it prevent abuse?
113 2011-02-22 18:02:01 <xelister> when anyway changing rules. with main net it will be backward compatible probably (or add rule with date > 2011)
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115 2011-02-22 18:02:16 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|xelister: what the fuck are you on about??
116 2011-02-22 18:02:52 <xelister> nameless|: would be good to have rule to lower the diff if it is so high that no block gets generated in over a day
117 2011-02-22 18:03:09 <xelister> e.g. if gov would join the net with x10 computing power just to fuck up bitcoin for everyone
118 2011-02-22 18:03:18 <xelister> and stop transactions
119 2011-02-22 18:03:30 <JFK911> Crap, I was going to try that.
120 2011-02-22 18:03:37 <JFK911> I've been foiled.
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122 2011-02-22 18:04:02 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|xelister: you're telling the wrong person
123 2011-02-22 18:04:14 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|xelister: I don't have anything to do with the production of bitcoin
124 2011-02-22 18:04:16 <BlueMatt> xelister: would be nice, but how do you prevent abuse. Do you use block timestamps or seen times, and how do all clients agree?
125 2011-02-22 18:04:28 <JFK911> Whitelist the good guys.
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127 2011-02-22 18:04:54 <JFK911> Add clients to the whitelist after their operators have sent in passport scans to the Bitcoin Controller.
128 2011-02-22 18:05:09 <xelister> BlueMatt: network aggrees on current time, if a block is generated over 24 hours later then previous one, then new diff is calculated (lowered) right away, with limit of say x16 lower then previous
129 2011-02-22 18:05:22 <fabianhjr__> nameless, have you seen Nefario around?
130 2011-02-22 18:05:56 <xelister> older 0.3.17 etc clients are still compatible, except for testnet thing?
131 2011-02-22 18:06:04 <BlueMatt> xelister: the problem is agreement
132 2011-02-22 18:06:09 <lfm> bad idea
133 2011-02-22 18:06:09 <BlueMatt> xelister: yea
134 2011-02-22 18:06:14 <[Tycho]> When exactly tesnet was reset, can you tell me, please ?
135 2011-02-22 18:06:37 <BlueMatt> there are 2 testnets atm, one for <0.3.19 and one for 0.3.20
136 2011-02-22 18:06:46 <sipa> it was not reset
137 2011-02-22 18:06:54 <xelister> BlueMatt: each node judges validity of current chain, including "is it possible there was a reason to lower diff a lot", based on own local clock
138 2011-02-22 18:06:58 <sipa> there are just two separatr ones
139 2011-02-22 18:08:03 <BlueMatt> xelister: the problem is agreement, if my client decides its ok to lower diff now bc my clock is fast by .1 sec, how do clients whose clocks are slow by .1 sec handle it if my client finds a new block in the .2 sec in between?
140 2011-02-22 18:08:32 <BlueMatt> Are current block adjusts based on timestamps in blocks, or seen times. And how does it prevent abuse, ie client agreement?
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142 2011-02-22 18:09:16 <xelister> BlueMatt: there are some rules for that... the same rules that are used to know by how much adjust the diff each 2016 block
143 2011-02-22 18:09:29 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|fabianhjr__: I have not. I've been busy at work and haven't been paying much attention to IRC
144 2011-02-22 18:09:42 <BlueMatt> xelister: not saying it cant/shouldnt be done, just saying its hard
145 2011-02-22 18:09:43 * nameless !~root@weowntheinter.net|has a nice little break today and gets to go in at 1:45 instead of 5 am
146 2011-02-22 18:09:58 <BlueMatt> anyone wish to clarify which rules there are in place currently?
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149 2011-02-22 18:10:47 <BlueMatt> god, when you need new blocks to confirm a transaction they just dont come
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153 2011-02-22 18:13:49 <fabianhjr__> BlueMatt, you will always get that feeling. Right now you get on avergae 9 blocks/hour because of a spike in computational power. :)
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155 2011-02-22 18:14:08 <BlueMatt> not in the last hour - only one block
156 2011-02-22 18:14:19 <fabianhjr__> When difficult increases it will get back to 6/hour
157 2011-02-22 18:14:39 <fabianhjr__> http://blockexplorer.com/ <- I said average
158 2011-02-22 18:14:53 <BlueMatt> and I said in the last hour
159 2011-02-22 18:15:14 <fabianhjr__> And it was 32 minutes and 27 secs. xD
160 2011-02-22 18:15:44 Sav has joined
161 2011-02-22 18:15:56 <fabianhjr__> And again there is a 30 min gap.
162 2011-02-22 18:16:01 <fabianhjr__> again
163 2011-02-22 18:16:28 <fabianhjr__> Got to go, be back later.
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173 2011-02-22 18:56:21 <xelister> is it true in USA even children are now threated like slaves in police country? Chindren that are skipping classes, are forced to wear an GPS tracking device. wtf?
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175 2011-02-22 18:56:47 <MacRohard> only if their parents really love them
176 2011-02-22 18:58:15 <BlueMatt> xelister: yea saw the gps thing too, really disturbing, though they are legally required to go to school so...
177 2011-02-22 18:58:24 <BlueMatt> ;;bc,stats
178 2011-02-22 18:58:54 <gribble> Current Blocks: 109748 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 1131 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 20 hours, 7 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 49080.66508964
179 2011-02-22 18:59:00 <BlueMatt> ;;bc,mtgox
180 2011-02-22 18:59:01 * xelister makes Americans legally required to suck his dick
181 2011-02-22 18:59:02 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.929,"low":0.8313,"vol":7652,"buy":0.85,"sell":0.94,"last":0.929}}
182 2011-02-22 18:59:06 <BlueMatt> back up we go
183 2011-02-22 18:59:21 <xelister> well this is not a big difference, already americans are leggaly required to undress in front of uneducated niggers(*) on airports
184 2011-02-22 18:59:36 <xelister> ( (*) ment just like a general insult ; I dont care about skin colour etc ;)
185 2011-02-22 18:59:42 <TheKid> price is slowly creeping back up :)
186 2011-02-22 19:01:27 <xelister> TheKid: well theoretically .. support is just 250
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188 2011-02-22 19:02:21 <Allen_> Noob here. Question : Can I setup 3or4 machines with same bitcoin address?
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190 2011-02-22 19:02:41 <TheKid> Allen_: yes, technically
191 2011-02-22 19:02:52 <TheKid> why do you want to though?
192 2011-02-22 19:03:12 <BlueMatt> Allen_ run one client and a bunch of rpc clients connecting to it
193 2011-02-22 19:03:13 <Allen_> more cpu time
194 2011-02-22 19:03:18 <[Tycho]> May be he wants to mine.
195 2011-02-22 19:03:33 <BlueMatt> then use one central client, and a bunch of rpc miners
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197 2011-02-22 19:03:41 <BlueMatt> instead of full clients on each
198 2011-02-22 19:03:46 Phosphorus has joined
199 2011-02-22 19:04:16 * jgarzik wakes up
200 2011-02-22 19:04:18 <Allen_> Ok thanks
201 2011-02-22 19:04:24 * jgarzik missed mmarker, it seems
202 2011-02-22 19:04:36 <BlueMatt> jgarzik makes a good rpc miner
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206 2011-02-22 19:11:48 <Phosphorus> Guys
207 2011-02-22 19:11:58 <Phosphorus> I have an AMD Duron processor (800mhz)
208 2011-02-22 19:12:14 <TheKid> make it explode
209 2011-02-22 19:12:16 <Phosphorus> if I leave my PC on 24/7 for an entire week, would I earn anything...
210 2011-02-22 19:12:46 <Raulo> Phosphorus: only if you are extremely lucky. Or connect to pool. In the latter case you earch pennies
211 2011-02-22 19:12:56 <Raulo> But it will heat up your room
212 2011-02-22 19:12:56 <jgarzik> Phosphorus: it's a net loss, unless your electricity is free
213 2011-02-22 19:12:57 <Phosphorus> pool?
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215 2011-02-22 19:13:14 <jgarzik> Phosphorus: you'll get maybe 0.02 BTC / day
216 2011-02-22 19:13:24 <Phosphorus> I'm not comfortable with people's IP showing up here...
217 2011-02-22 19:13:31 <Phosphorus> Ok then.. thanks.
218 2011-02-22 19:16:06 <luke-jr> Phosphorus: why not?
219 2011-02-22 19:16:14 <luke-jr> IPs are public information.
220 2011-02-22 19:16:27 <luke-jr> the only way to keep your IP private, is to not have one
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222 2011-02-22 19:18:06 <filterbox__> unless you're law enforcement and/or work at a telco/ISP and have a way to link that ip back to a physical address and/or name... moot point. that being said, use a shell if you are paranoid.
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228 2011-02-22 19:24:34 <phantomcircuit> filterbox__, that's not 100% true
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231 2011-02-22 19:25:15 <quellhorst> is there a fork of the code that works on the GPU?
232 2011-02-22 19:25:28 <Syke__> many
233 2011-02-22 19:25:51 <quellhorst> cool, pointer?
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236 2011-02-22 19:26:04 <quellhorst> this is day 0 for me with bitcoin
237 2011-02-22 19:26:24 <BlueMatt> well you have to run the cpu client (dont have to generate coins on it) then run a gpu rpc miner connected to the client
238 2011-02-22 19:26:30 <luke-jr> quellhorst: what kind of GPU?
239 2011-02-22 19:26:35 <Syke__> DiabloMiner is probably easiest to setup. http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1721.0
240 2011-02-22 19:26:48 <phantomcircuit> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/DiabloMiner
241 2011-02-22 19:26:48 <phantomcircuit> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Poclbm
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243 2011-02-22 19:27:01 <mmarker> Diablo is pretty bog simple
244 2011-02-22 19:27:04 <filterbox__> phantomcircuit, 99% of the people,
245 2011-02-22 19:27:05 <luke-jr> Syke__: lol? hardest :P
246 2011-02-22 19:27:08 <quellhorst> well, this laptop has a Nvidia geforce gt 330m
247 2011-02-22 19:27:11 <luke-jr> Diablo requires Java crud
248 2011-02-22 19:27:17 <luke-jr> quellhorst: probably not worth it
249 2011-02-22 19:27:19 <quellhorst> have other systems too, but just trying it out on my laptop now
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251 2011-02-22 19:27:22 <phantomcircuit> filterbox__, if you can afford $10 you can get a pi to do it
252 2011-02-22 19:27:26 <mmarker> quellhorst: urm, that may not work.
253 2011-02-22 19:27:41 <quellhorst> ok, then what gfx card would be worthwhile?
254 2011-02-22 19:28:01 <luke-jr> quellhorst: Radeon 5850
255 2011-02-22 19:28:02 <filterbox__> so a PI will get a shell company located offshore to talk? :P
256 2011-02-22 19:28:03 <luke-jr> or 5870
257 2011-02-22 19:28:06 <Syke__> "sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jre" is pretty easy.
258 2011-02-22 19:28:12 <BlueMatt> a high end nvidia (upper 500 series) or high end amd 5850,5870, etc
259 2011-02-22 19:28:17 <luke-jr> 320M just gets 6.12 MH/s
260 2011-02-22 19:28:26 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: high-end nvidia can't compare still
261 2011-02-22 19:28:38 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 6120
262 2011-02-22 19:28:39 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 6120 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 42 weeks, 2 days, 3 hours, 34 minutes, and 18 seconds
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264 2011-02-22 19:28:48 <BlueMatt> not really, but its still power efficient in terms of price to generate/profits
265 2011-02-22 19:29:01 <luke-jr> quellhorst: your nvidia would take 42 weeks for each 50 BTC, and it would amke the laptop unusable
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267 2011-02-22 19:29:10 <quellhorst> ouch, haha
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270 2011-02-22 19:29:22 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 120000
271 2011-02-22 19:29:23 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 120000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 2 weeks, 1 day, 2 hours, 29 minutes, and 10 seconds
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275 2011-02-22 19:29:29 <luke-jr> 2 weeks for high-end nvidia
276 2011-02-22 19:29:36 <BlueMatt> join a pool
277 2011-02-22 19:29:39 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 604000
278 2011-02-22 19:29:39 <quellhorst> is there a good gfx card that will work on a mac pro?
279 2011-02-22 19:29:40 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 604000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 3 days, 0 hours, 1 minute, and 1 second
280 2011-02-22 19:29:45 <luke-jr> 3 days for a high-end Radeon
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284 2011-02-22 19:31:26 <luke-jr> high-end nvidia GTX580 = Radeon 5750 :P
285 2011-02-22 19:31:38 <luke-jr> quellhorst: can you even modify Macs?
286 2011-02-22 19:31:45 <BlueMatt> mac pros, yes
287 2011-02-22 19:32:02 <BlueMatt> a 5970 is dual gpu, not single, just one pcb (iirc, I dont know amds)
288 2011-02-22 19:33:36 <TheKid> BlueMatt: yes that is correct
289 2011-02-22 19:33:36 <BlueMatt> but yea, nvidia sucks for mining
290 2011-02-22 19:34:51 <phantomcircuit> unless you can create an sha256 implementation that abuses the hell out of floats
291 2011-02-22 19:35:08 <phantomcircuit> which i believe would be possible on a gpu by gpu basis
292 2011-02-22 19:35:32 <mmarker> Make sha256 a floating point algo. My head spins.
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295 2011-02-22 19:37:34 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: working on it?
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298 2011-02-22 19:38:39 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, i've successfully massaged to get my quadros to do about half of the ops necessary for sha256
299 2011-02-22 19:39:02 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: will you release it when you are done?
300 2011-02-22 19:39:08 <phantomcircuit> yeah
301 2011-02-22 19:39:13 <BlueMatt> nice
302 2011-02-22 19:39:23 <BlueMatt> will send a btc or two your way when you do
303 2011-02-22 19:40:26 <mmarker> phantomcircuit: Nice. Have an ETA?
304 2011-02-22 19:40:45 <phantomcircuit> mmarker, not really i've got a bunch of other shit to do now
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306 2011-02-22 19:42:02 <BlueMatt> anyone wanna play roulette on #bitcoin-roulette?
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308 2011-02-22 19:44:54 <filterbox__> ;;bc,calc 4390
309 2011-02-22 19:44:56 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 4390 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 1 year, 6 weeks, 5 days, 20 hours, 30 minutes, and 20 seconds
310 2011-02-22 19:45:58 <dust__> http://boards.4chan.org/g/res/16069107 http://boards.4chan.org/g/res/16069107
311 2011-02-22 19:46:14 <dust__> bunch of clueless people in that thread
312 2011-02-22 19:46:16 <devon_hillard> ;;bc,calc 65000
313 2011-02-22 19:46:17 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 65000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 3 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 12 minutes, and 18 seconds
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316 2011-02-22 19:52:33 <quellhorst> ;;bc,calc 1500
317 2011-02-22 19:52:34 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1500 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 3 years, 16 weeks, 1 day, 6 hours, 53 minutes, and 34 seconds
318 2011-02-22 19:52:38 <quellhorst> ouch
319 2011-02-22 19:52:59 <quellhorst> a block is worth what? .50 bitcoins?
320 2011-02-22 19:53:09 <chmod755> 50.0 bitcoins ;)
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322 2011-02-22 19:53:38 <xelister> so around 40-50 usd
323 2011-02-22 19:53:56 <quellhorst> man, cant risk burning up my laptop for $50 over 3 years :)
324 2011-02-22 19:54:34 <quellhorst> for this card, how many khps is expected? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150476&cm_re=Radeon_5870-_-14-150-476-_-Product
325 2011-02-22 19:54:47 <chmod755> lol, I don't recommend to mine on your laptop
326 2011-02-22 19:55:06 <xelister> turn of clusters and let me generate next block, or this puppy dies --> ;_;
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328 2011-02-22 19:55:36 <jgarzik> hrm
329 2011-02-22 19:55:39 <mmarker> Is slush's pool still closed?
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331 2011-02-22 19:55:52 <jgarzik> someone _really_ needs to update the official bitcoin FAQ, to note that CPU mining is worthless.
332 2011-02-22 19:55:55 <mmarker> jgarzik: I sent you one ugly assed pull request.
333 2011-02-22 19:55:59 <jgarzik> anyone volunteer to write such an entry?
334 2011-02-22 19:56:21 <jgarzik> mmarker: I saw in email, thanks! Will review, but it might not be today
335 2011-02-22 19:56:21 <TD_> we should move the FAQ to the wiki
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337 2011-02-22 19:56:28 <xelister> I've got the text with the alternative to CPU mining
338 2011-02-22 19:56:31 <jgarzik> TD_: seems reasonable
339 2011-02-22 19:56:31 <xelister> Tired of **CPU** pooled 'mining' with no result? GET PAID NOW! Send pic of "Xelister and bitcoin rock! :*" pen-written: 1 BTC on hand; If ur cute girl: 2; 5 on back or above breasts; 10 on them(>18yo!). ~15 BTC for nice girls(PM me). Not faked! Real offer:) PM before!
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342 2011-02-22 19:56:45 <xelister> why is /this/ not in faq yet
343 2011-02-22 19:56:50 <mmarker> jgarzik: I broke the rule of keeping my changes seperate...but there's validation code and slow NEON asm
344 2011-02-22 19:57:07 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 355000
345 2011-02-22 19:57:08 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 355000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 5 days, 2 hours, 31 minutes, and 49 seconds
346 2011-02-22 19:57:11 <luke-jr> quellhorst: ^ for 5870
347 2011-02-22 19:57:23 <xelister> luke-jr: how overclocking 5870 works for you?
348 2011-02-22 19:57:26 <luke-jr> quellhorst: also, note that difficulty changes every 2 weeks or so
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350 2011-02-22 19:57:32 <luke-jr> xelister: only fools overclock
351 2011-02-22 19:57:40 <xelister> oh wait, right, you are that troll
352 2011-02-22 19:57:50 <luke-jr> my card is also a 5850
353 2011-02-22 19:57:52 * xelister needs per-nick coloring/tagging in his irc client
354 2011-02-22 19:58:04 <luke-jr> xelister: no, I am that rational person
355 2011-02-22 19:58:11 <luke-jr> who doesn't do/encourage stupid things like OC
356 2011-02-22 19:58:16 <luke-jr> quellhorst: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_Hardware_Comparison
357 2011-02-22 19:58:28 <xelister> well for me o.c. 850->900 works pefrect, ~930 is unstable IF you play videos and shit, ~960 instant hang on playing video
358 2011-02-22 19:58:46 <luke-jr> xelister: the problem isn't that it won't work, but that it will fry over time
359 2011-02-22 19:58:52 <xelister> what is wrong with oc, eg oc the card for 2 months
360 2011-02-22 19:58:56 <mmarker> hmm, question about these pools/getwork...do all the nonces for every work block asked start in the same plac,e or is there something different about the blocks?
361 2011-02-22 19:58:58 <xelister> yeap, over time
362 2011-02-22 19:59:05 <xelister> but I dont need to oc it over time, just for 1 or 2 months
363 2011-02-22 19:59:13 <luke-jr> xelister: for example, if a card is designed to last 5 years, it will last < 1 if you overclock it
364 2011-02-22 19:59:24 <quellhorst> luke: ok, so if i was to get a comp just to mine. radeon 5870 + not much else needed hardware wise? cheap cpu could work?
365 2011-02-22 19:59:33 <xelister> if that lowers expected lifetime from 24 to 21 then whatever, I would be selling it anyway after max 6 months
366 2011-02-22 19:59:33 <luke-jr> quellhorst: yep
367 2011-02-22 19:59:35 <quellhorst> and i assume i should run win 7 on it?
368 2011-02-22 19:59:39 <luke-jr> quellhorst: um, no
369 2011-02-22 19:59:48 <quellhorst> linux?
370 2011-02-22 19:59:51 <mmarker> quellhorst: I have an ARM machine doing the command and control work, so yea, don't need much at all
371 2011-02-22 19:59:55 <xelister> luke-jr: ok that makes sense, but overclocking for just like 1 month is not that bad
372 2011-02-22 19:59:55 <[Tycho]> XP is enough.
373 2011-02-22 19:59:57 <theymos> mmarker: The block contains your unique public key, to which generated coins will be sent. This prevents you from repeating the work of others.
374 2011-02-22 20:00:08 <luke-jr> xelister: be sure when you sell it, that you label it correctly as "Damaged"
375 2011-02-22 20:00:15 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: what do you think about merging getblock in 0.3.21? I had a thought last night: name the command "dumpblock <hash-or-height>", to indicate that it is a programmer's tool, which dumps --everything-- in a block, headers, tx, everything. With that, I'm trying to address the objection of 'gettransaction' overlap.
376 2011-02-22 20:00:26 <mmarker> theymos: I got that, but let's say I have an army of machines, and I don't want them duplicating work.
377 2011-02-22 20:00:37 <TheKid> luke-jr: overclocking != damaging
378 2011-02-22 20:00:44 <TheKid> at sane levels of course
379 2011-02-22 20:01:03 <luke-jr> TheKid: overclocking is damaging
380 2011-02-22 20:01:21 <luke-jr> it's rated for a certain max clock freq for a reason
381 2011-02-22 20:01:22 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: I think a getblock for 0.3.21 is a good idea-- I could rip just getblock out of my monitor branch
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383 2011-02-22 20:02:06 <andrew12> gavinandresen: and make it have *all* the transaction data, please! ;)
384 2011-02-22 20:02:22 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: does it dump tx too, or just hashes? That's one of the nice features of getblockbycount, that you get a full view of -everything- in a single block, without further lookups.
385 2011-02-22 20:02:28 <theymos> mmarker: Probably each miner gets an extraNonce value, and then after they finish going through the Nonce field, they request new work with a new extraNonce. extraNonce is variable-length, so it shouldn't be a problem to separate miners.
386 2011-02-22 20:03:11 <quellhorst> luke-jr: what fork should i run?
387 2011-02-22 20:03:15 <mmarker> theymos: Hmm. That would make sense, since the answer to a block need not be unique.
388 2011-02-22 20:03:19 <filterbox__> luke-jr, most ratings are done conservatively in order to his a certain failure rate @ nominal usage time.. usually because of heating issues.
389 2011-02-22 20:03:26 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: my getblock dumps txids, you then use gettransaction to get tx details (but only your transactions)
390 2011-02-22 20:03:28 <quellhorst> trying to figure out what to order on newegg today to get going on my mining :)
391 2011-02-22 20:03:51 <andrew12> quellhorst: a 5970! :p
392 2011-02-22 20:03:59 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: right
393 2011-02-22 20:04:07 <gavinandresen> Satoshi was against dumping everything because he was worried about releasing a lightweight client that didn't KNOW about all transactions
394 2011-02-22 20:04:17 <quellhorst> andrew12: yeah, but looking for a cheap barebones system to put it on
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396 2011-02-22 20:04:31 <quellhorst> most of my stuff is 1u servers here or macs that the cards wouldn't work on
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398 2011-02-22 20:04:44 <TD> gavinandresen: where did satoshi go, exactly? is he just busy right now or gone permanently?
399 2011-02-22 20:05:04 <andrew12> bbiab
400 2011-02-22 20:05:11 <gavinandresen> TD: I dunno, last I heard from him he just said he was going to be busy for a while. No estimate of if or when he'll be back.
401 2011-02-22 20:05:13 <mmarker> Hmm, would there be a benefit to adding an RPC call to handle a signed transaction from a client. Still looking at my mobile app, and keeping the keys on the local side would be interesting...and have a bitcoind instance be shared among users
402 2011-02-22 20:06:00 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: I really think we need a full dump, not a sanitized, protect-you-from-yourself version. I can include an extra field "fulldump" or whatnot, for if and when the lightweight client appears.
403 2011-02-22 20:06:04 <TD> mmarker: see http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3017.0
404 2011-02-22 20:06:29 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: it seems pretty likely to me that before Bitcoin 1.0 the standard behavior for non-mining clients will be to get block headers and then request only "interesting" transaction details.
405 2011-02-22 20:06:45 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: for some. it will be a choice each node makes...
406 2011-02-22 20:06:49 <gavinandresen> (where "interesting" is "transactions to or from my wallet")
407 2011-02-22 20:07:23 <theymos> If someone with fClient=true runs getblock, would it show block headers with 0 transactions? Or would it crash?
408 2011-02-22 20:07:34 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: it is easy to notice when transactions are not present locally, and set fulldump:false in the JSON output.
409 2011-02-22 20:07:35 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: Right... but it'd suck to call getblock and then have lots of special case code for "if I'm talking to a lightweight client then do this, otherwise do that...."
410 2011-02-22 20:07:46 <Syke__> gavinandresen, but how would the client know if the from-wallet had enough coins for a valid send?
411 2011-02-22 20:07:52 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: just one 'if', for "fulldump" field. that's it.
412 2011-02-22 20:08:18 <gavinandresen> Syke_: "interesting" transactions are transactions to or from addresses in your wallet, so you'll know everything about them.
413 2011-02-22 20:08:19 <jgarzik> no special case code; this is a low-level dump.
414 2011-02-22 20:08:32 <jgarzik> hence the suggestion to name it 'dumpblock'
415 2011-02-22 20:08:51 <jgarzik> indicate it's more an inspection tool, than someone casual website operators should use
416 2011-02-22 20:08:52 <xelister> jgarzik: you ment the faq on wiki? https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/FAQ ?
417 2011-02-22 20:09:12 <jgarzik> xelister: no, http://www.bitcoin.org/faq
418 2011-02-22 20:09:29 <xelister> jgarzik: can e.g. I update this page or send new version or soemthing?
419 2011-02-22 20:09:34 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: post a proposal on the forums, including what happens when we have lightweight clients that only know about a subset of transactions....
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422 2011-02-22 20:10:21 <Syke__> gavinandresen, oh, you're thinking of already validated transactions,
423 2011-02-22 20:10:25 <gavinandresen> I'd like to hear more from people writing alternate implementations, too-- are they planning on duplicating the RPC interface or will they go their own way?
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426 2011-02-22 20:10:46 <Syke__> transactions with 6+ confirmations/etc.
427 2011-02-22 20:10:53 <gavinandresen> (I'm a fan of standardizing what can be standardized)
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431 2011-02-22 20:11:41 <TD> gavinandresen: my impl has no such rpc interface
432 2011-02-22 20:11:44 <mmarker> TD: so if I read this right, block headers and a merkle tree
433 2011-02-22 20:12:00 <theymos> Getblock output is based on printblock. It already seems pretty standardized.
434 2011-02-22 20:12:03 <gavinandresen> Syke_ : anybody who is putting transactions into a block (miners) will need all the unspent transactions...
435 2011-02-22 20:12:18 <TD> mmarker: ... not sure i understand sorry. what about them ?
436 2011-02-22 20:12:27 <mmarker> Reading the thread you posted
437 2011-02-22 20:12:50 <Diablo-D3> gavinandresen: as a warning, people are asking for the faucet to support ipv6.....
438 2011-02-22 20:12:52 <Diablo-D3> gavinandresen: DONT DO IT
439 2011-02-22 20:12:55 <TD> yes. mobile clients wouldn't even need to store all headers.
440 2011-02-22 20:13:07 <TD> just enough to form a block locator of reasonable robustness
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442 2011-02-22 20:13:53 <gavinandresen> Diablo-D3: I thought it supported IPv6 already... (although I haven't tested that)
443 2011-02-22 20:14:00 <mmarker> TD: Yea. The idea I really had was to somehow make a bitcoind instance shared between users. So it sits on the network doing the hard protocol work, and the client app just holds the keys and does just enough to initiate transactions.
444 2011-02-22 20:14:10 <Diablo-D3> gavinandresen: doesnt it lock people out by IP?
445 2011-02-22 20:14:27 <TD> the protocol isn't that hard if you don't take part in the p2p network
446 2011-02-22 20:14:35 <mmarker> Which does beg the question, if I read the paper right, anyone can validate a transaction.
447 2011-02-22 20:14:36 <Diablo-D3> gavinandresen: every IPv4 address has a matching /96 or whatever IPv6 address.
448 2011-02-22 20:14:39 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: speaking of, that's another long term project of mine... bitcoin -does- have the placeholders for IPv6, and I want to complete that. much lower priority than autotools though, even though I'm a big IPv6 fan :)
449 2011-02-22 20:14:46 <Diablo-D3> mmarker: anyone can _validate_ it
450 2011-02-22 20:14:54 <Diablo-D3> its 80 bytes, you sha256(sha256()) it
451 2011-02-22 20:14:57 <jgarzik> current Windows does IPv6 reasonably well, too
452 2011-02-22 20:14:59 <mmarker> TD: yea. the p2p part is the "OMG BATTERY SUCKER" or "OMG THERE GOES MY DATA" part I want to avoid.
453 2011-02-22 20:15:24 <gavinandresen> Diablo-D3: the faucet already has some "I can generate a gazillion IPv6 addresses" protections built it.
454 2011-02-22 20:15:34 <Diablo-D3> gavinandresen: okay, good, carry on
455 2011-02-22 20:15:38 <TD> mmarker: you don't have to take part in the p2p network. just connect to a node and talk to it.
456 2011-02-22 20:15:39 <TD> done.
457 2011-02-22 20:15:50 <theymos> I don't think just running with a block locator will work. How will you calculate block chain work?
458 2011-02-22 20:16:01 <TD> i don't think appengine apps will be exposed via ipv6
459 2011-02-22 20:16:14 <TD> theymos: you can store that alongside the saved block locator as extra data
460 2011-02-22 20:16:19 <TD> in some custom data structure
461 2011-02-22 20:16:22 <jgarzik> TD: appengine can do IPv6, if you use google's opt-in program
462 2011-02-22 20:16:39 <mmarker> TD: ahh, gotcha
463 2011-02-22 20:16:59 <TD> jgarzik: you mean if your DNS is whitelisted? interesting. i had assumed we'd forward the coerced IPs
464 2011-02-22 20:17:21 * TD should really try appengine some day :-)
465 2011-02-22 20:17:28 <mmarker> I was probably going at this the wrong way then. original idea was to just doa simple JSON-RPC client. Then it morphed into "well, how could I get new people involved who may not know how to properly keep a bitcoind secure"
466 2011-02-22 20:17:31 <theymos> TD: You can only get that by downloading the headers at some point. If you're doing that, why not just store the headers? I can't help but think there's a horrible attack against running with just a locator.
467 2011-02-22 20:17:31 <xelister> jgarzik: "Mining on CPU currently does not make too much sense currently (since end of 2010 year). Even cheapest 50 USD graphical cards (especially Radeon 5xxx series) can be x10-x100 times faster the top multicore CPUs available for home computers. Therefore it is advisable to turn off generation to not waste electrical power. Instead you can generate if you have a good graphics card and install an BitCoin Miner program. Or better simply buy the
468 2011-02-22 20:17:33 <xelister> coins on one of exchange points or accept BTC payments for services/work you can offer (e.g. online)."
469 2011-02-22 20:17:46 * xelister fixes typos
470 2011-02-22 20:17:54 <TD> theymos: yes you have to download all the blocks at some point. just not store them.
471 2011-02-22 20:18:29 <TD> yeah there might be some kind of attack i didn't think of
472 2011-02-22 20:18:35 <mmarker> That's what I got from your post theymos. At app initial start, get all the headers somehow, and then at some point, get new blocks as they come in.
473 2011-02-22 20:18:36 <TD> the primary reason to do it is that storage on phones is scarce
474 2011-02-22 20:18:40 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,stats
475 2011-02-22 20:18:42 <gribble> Current Blocks: 109766 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 1113 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 16 hours, 57 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 49477.01495288
476 2011-02-22 20:18:43 <TD> and slow
477 2011-02-22 20:18:46 <TD> and generally crappy
478 2011-02-22 20:18:58 <TD> the headers alone aren't that big, it's what, 5mb a year or something?
479 2011-02-22 20:19:10 <TD> so 10mb. not a big deal.
480 2011-02-22 20:19:10 <phantomcircuit> xelister, according to my almost certainly flawed math at the current difficulty the cost of electricity is higher than the value of any BTC generated from cpus
481 2011-02-22 20:19:15 <mmarker> Which does push me back to the "just doa JSON-RPC client and have bitcoind do the magic work"
482 2011-02-22 20:19:23 <phantomcircuit> xelister, indeed the ability to generate on cpus shoudl be hidden from the mainline client
483 2011-02-22 20:19:31 <xelister> Generating coins (âMiningâ) on CPU currently does not make sense since end of 2010 year. Even cheapest 50 USD graphical cards (especially Radeon 5xxx series) can be x10-x100 times faster then best CPUs in home computers. Therefore it is advisable to turn off generation to not waste electrical power. Instead you can generate on GPU Mining if you can set it all up - or better simply buy the coins or earn them offering services/goods for BTC.
484 2011-02-22 20:19:36 <TD> i haven't really decided yet
485 2011-02-22 20:20:16 <jgarzik> xelister: I would suggest providing an example that (a) names a specific brand+speed of CPU, and (b) tells you how many months it would take to generate one block.
486 2011-02-22 20:20:18 <jgarzik> hard data
487 2011-02-22 20:21:21 <xelister> Generating coins (âMiningâ) on CPU does not make sense since end of 2010 year, because even cheapest 50 USD graphical cards (especially Radeon 5xxx series) can be x10-x100 times faster then best CPUs in home computers. And you will spend far more on electrical bill then you can realistically earn on this. It will take *years* to generate first coins on CPU. Therefore, it is advisable to turn off generation to not waste electrical power.
488 2011-02-22 20:21:22 <xelister> Instead you can generate on GPU Mining if you can set it all up. Or better simply buy the coins or earn them offering services/goods for BTC.
489 2011-02-22 20:21:26 <Syke__> the client could cpu-mine for one second and get an accurate estimate of generation time.
490 2011-02-22 20:21:36 <mmarker> you need longer than that
491 2011-02-22 20:21:39 <mmarker> trust me
492 2011-02-22 20:21:39 <xelister> jgarzik: well ok, and then send it to whom to have it pasted on officiall faq? in wikipedia format?
493 2011-02-22 20:21:51 <mmarker> Bit in short, just not worth it.
494 2011-02-22 20:22:01 <jgarzik> xelister: I'd say (a) update wiki FAQ, and then (b) PM Sirius and ask to update bitcoin.org/faq
495 2011-02-22 20:22:02 <mmarker> Unless you're sitting on some IBM supercomputer.
496 2011-02-22 20:23:47 <chmod755> mmarker: Tianhe also has some 7168 GPUs :)
497 2011-02-22 20:24:01 <mmarker> yup
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500 2011-02-22 20:24:23 <mmarker> But I'm sure, someone, somewhere, has nicer hardware. We just don't know about it. *cough*
501 2011-02-22 20:24:38 <chmod755> but I guess it's to expensive to rent it for a day :(
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503 2011-02-22 20:24:53 <xelister> jgarzik: ok. if you like it send me an btc ;)
504 2011-02-22 20:24:54 * xelister has hundreds but trading is always fun
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506 2011-02-22 20:25:09 <andrew12> whee
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512 2011-02-22 20:27:14 <quellhorst> hmm, anyone have multiple video cards in their mining systems?
513 2011-02-22 20:27:23 <quellhorst> thinking of getting this motherboard for 2x Radeon HD 5870 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128435
514 2011-02-22 20:28:08 <jgarzik> quellhorst: plenty have multiple GPUs in their mining systems. you pack it as much as cooling system permits.
515 2011-02-22 20:29:35 <quellhorst> are there motherboards that would support more than 2x of the 5870?
516 2011-02-22 20:30:41 <xelister> mmarker: someone actually said that yesterday. Some supercomputer that is usuall laoded 20%
517 2011-02-22 20:30:43 <xelister> mmarker: but that is a specuall case =)
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519 2011-02-22 20:30:45 <xelister> btw, is there any progress on i2p transport for bitcoin?
520 2011-02-22 20:30:46 <xelister> it should be very easy since very similar to both normal TCP and TOR
521 2011-02-22 20:30:46 <xelister> (still freenet can rock since it is the most un-blockable one)
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525 2011-02-22 20:35:52 <xelister> quellhorst: they are even 4 and 5 pci-e slot mobos but you need raisers to extend pci-e ports (too narrow)
526 2011-02-22 20:35:52 <xelister> quellhorst: and you need very good power unit or two
527 2011-02-22 20:38:51 <Syke__> quellhorst, that's a good motherboard, it leaves an empty slot in between video cards, so there's decent cooling.
528 2011-02-22 20:39:41 <Syke__> i've never seen a motherboard that can handle 3 video cards and still have a slot empty between cards
529 2011-02-22 20:40:00 <quellhorst> ok, i'll probably use that MB then
530 2011-02-22 20:40:47 <ArtForz> syke: there are quite a few
531 2011-02-22 20:41:33 <dust__> artforz: any examples? I'm curious
532 2011-02-22 20:41:35 <Syke__> like what?
533 2011-02-22 20:41:37 <ArtForz> cheapest/easiest is probably MSI 890FXA-GD70
534 2011-02-22 20:41:57 <jgarzik> mmarker: your pull req seems to make a ton of unnecessary whitespace changes
535 2011-02-22 20:42:08 <Syke__> the 3rd card would hang off the motherboard
536 2011-02-22 20:42:12 <ArtForz> so?
537 2011-02-22 20:42:22 <ArtForz> there are 9-slot cases
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540 2011-02-22 20:42:40 <quellhorst> assuming a 430 watt power supply would be enough.
541 2011-02-22 20:42:40 <quellhorst> 460w / cooler master
542 2011-02-22 20:42:40 <quellhorst> oops, guess not PCI Express based PC is required with one X16 lane graphics slot available on the motherboard 500 Watt or greater power supply with two 75W 6-pin PCI Express power connectors recommended
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545 2011-02-22 20:42:49 <dust__> not worth it at $200 when you can get a 2 slot mb for $70
546 2011-02-22 20:42:54 <ArtForz> yes
547 2011-02-22 20:43:05 <ArtForz> but nobody said anything about cost-effective
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549 2011-02-22 20:44:13 <quellhorst> dust: which model?
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551 2011-02-22 20:45:44 <luke-jr> filterbox__: exactly. so if someone runs it at a higher clock rate, it damages it more than what is considered ordinary wear
552 2011-02-22 20:45:53 <luke-jr> jgarzik: yeah, I was shocked to see my sister's new Win7 machine had already setup its own Toredo IPv6 link
553 2011-02-22 20:46:21 <luke-jr> quellhorst: even the 5970, only requires PCIe x1
554 2011-02-22 20:46:53 <mmarker> luke-jr: does that need a little bit of solder to get it to work right?
555 2011-02-22 20:47:10 <quellhorst> luke-jr: oh, i thought there wore voltage requirements for 1.0 -> 2.0
556 2011-02-22 20:47:20 <ArtForz> well, most people use flexible PCIe risers for crazy setups ;)
557 2011-02-22 20:47:32 <quellhorst> whats a crazy setup?
558 2011-02-22 20:47:46 <ArtForz> http://bayimg.com/eABDfaAdd
559 2011-02-22 20:47:49 <quellhorst> i'd totally pay you some bitcoin :)
560 2011-02-22 20:48:00 <quellhorst> looking for advice on what to get :)
561 2011-02-22 20:48:11 <quellhorst> lol @ that image
562 2011-02-22 20:48:14 <ArtForz> thats 4*5970 per box
563 2011-02-22 20:48:28 <quellhorst> any specs online?
564 2011-02-22 20:48:32 <jnd> if you want 8 slots: http://www.tcmagazine.com/tcm/news/hardware/35887/msi-launches-big-bang-marshal-p67-powered-uber-board :)
565 2011-02-22 20:48:35 <ArtForz> yep
566 2011-02-22 20:48:54 <ArtForz> big bang would be useful for building a *really* crazy setup
567 2011-02-22 20:49:02 <ArtForz> 8*5870 anyone?
568 2011-02-22 20:49:03 <xelister> something is wrong with some KDE apps... what instantly hangs overclocked Ati card? 1) fast playing hardware accelerated video 2) using kde gui like korganizer
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570 2011-02-22 20:49:18 <jnd> I don't want to see the price
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572 2011-02-22 20:49:57 <quellhorst> i would have used plexiglass for a custom built case
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579 2011-02-22 20:51:24 <quellhorst> although that looks like metal with rivets
580 2011-02-22 20:51:27 <luke-jr> quellhorst: I would think 450 W would be enough for a single 5850 :P
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582 2011-02-22 20:51:52 <ArtForz> nope, chipboard
583 2011-02-22 20:51:59 <quellhorst> man, i want that big bang MB
584 2011-02-22 20:52:03 <jnd> 400W works for 5850 here
585 2011-02-22 20:52:08 <luke-jr> mmarker: not sure
586 2011-02-22 20:52:18 <luke-jr> quellhorst: keep in mind, difficulty rises fast
587 2011-02-22 20:52:23 <ArtForz> yep
588 2011-02-22 20:52:35 <quellhorst> so it maybe not cost effective for long?
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590 2011-02-22 20:52:39 <quellhorst> for even gpu?
591 2011-02-22 20:52:40 <ArtForz> yup
592 2011-02-22 20:52:44 <quellhorst> that sux
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594 2011-02-22 20:53:17 <andrew12> damn netsplit
595 2011-02-22 20:53:19 <ArtForz> next difficulty will probably be >50k
596 2011-02-22 20:53:22 <andrew12> lol
597 2011-02-22 20:53:30 <andrew12> ;;bc,stats
598 2011-02-22 20:53:34 <gribble> Current Blocks: 109766 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 1113 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 16 hours, 57 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 49477.01495288
599 2011-02-22 20:53:37 <andrew12> or not
600 2011-02-22 20:53:42 <andrew12> oh ther eit is
601 2011-02-22 20:53:45 <andrew12> heh
602 2011-02-22 20:53:50 <andrew12> there it is*
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604 2011-02-22 20:53:58 <luke-jr> xelister: if it works with a proper ATi card, you can't blame anything but the overclocking
605 2011-02-22 20:53:58 <luke-jr> jnd: he was talking about 430 W for multiple 5970s :P
606 2011-02-22 20:53:58 <luke-jr> quellhorst: IMO, if you want to make a profit, you need to plan to break even fast
607 2011-02-22 20:53:58 <luke-jr> my 5850 cost $162, and broke even in under 2 weeks (at the last difficulty)
608 2011-02-22 20:53:58 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 265000 50000
609 2011-02-22 20:53:58 * luke-jr pokes gribble
610 2011-02-22 20:53:59 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 265000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 50000, is 1 week, 2 days, 9 hours, 6 minutes, and 11 seconds
611 2011-02-22 20:54:07 <ArtForz> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed.png
612 2011-02-22 20:54:18 <TheKid> I bet it will be given that I'll be plugging a 5970 in soon, along with another 5870 heh
613 2011-02-22 20:54:27 <luke-jr> next difficulty, I wouldn't be able to break even before it goes up
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615 2011-02-22 20:54:42 <TheKid> ;;bc,calcd 700000 50000
616 2011-02-22 20:54:43 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 700000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 50000, is 3 days, 13 hours, 13 minutes, and 3 seconds
617 2011-02-22 20:54:46 <quellhorst> luke-jr: so the 5850 is more cost effective than 5870?
618 2011-02-22 20:54:48 <TheKid> wow
619 2011-02-22 20:54:58 <TheKid> quellhorst: no, 5870 is more cost effective
620 2011-02-22 20:55:02 <quellhorst> ahh
621 2011-02-22 20:55:06 <luke-jr> ArtForz: mid-July was when GPU miners were invented?
622 2011-02-22 20:55:09 <TheKid> if you buy it at the right price
623 2011-02-22 20:55:18 <luke-jr> quellhorst: depends on the price you can get
624 2011-02-22 20:55:19 <ArtForz> roughly, it also was /.
625 2011-02-22 20:55:27 <quellhorst> so what the min spec system wise to get for the 5870?
626 2011-02-22 20:55:31 <ArtForz> the big jump was pretty much only /.
627 2011-02-22 20:55:54 <TheKid> quellhorst: a good 500w psu could do it, but I'd recommend higher
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631 2011-02-22 20:56:39 <quellhorst> luke-jr: how many gfx cards are you running now?
632 2011-02-22 20:57:48 <luke-jr> $162 was a good deal
633 2011-02-22 20:58:19 <TD> how many megahashes/sec does a 5970 do?
634 2011-02-22 20:58:21 <luke-jr> quellhorst: just a single 5850
635 2011-02-22 20:58:21 <luke-jr> quellhorst: any more would require shelling out $$$ for a new PSU at least
636 2011-02-22 20:58:21 <luke-jr> it's costing me about $15/mo of electric
637 2011-02-22 20:58:24 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 265000 500000
638 2011-02-22 20:58:24 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 265000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 500000, is 13 weeks, 2 days, 19 hours, 1 minute, and 51 seconds
639 2011-02-22 20:58:29 <luke-jr> wtf is with the lag on freenode today?
640 2011-02-22 20:58:42 <quellhorst> luke-jr: thats what i'm wondering. its really bad!
641 2011-02-22 20:58:59 <quellhorst> how are you converting your bitcoins back to $?
642 2011-02-22 20:59:34 <luke-jr> so difficulty 500,000 will probably be when I stop mining
643 2011-02-22 20:59:34 <jnd> luke-jr: at what miner and freq do you get 265M?
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645 2011-02-22 20:59:46 <luke-jr> jnd: Radeon 5850, stock
646 2011-02-22 20:59:48 <luke-jr> quellhorst: you sell them
647 2011-02-22 20:59:50 <quellhorst> luke-jr: when will it hit 500k?
648 2011-02-22 21:00:00 <xelister> TD: 530. ~560 or even 600 when o.c.
649 2011-02-22 21:00:07 <luke-jr> quellhorst: depends on how fast bitcoin mining grows
650 2011-02-22 21:00:24 <luke-jr> hopefully people with < 5850 will stop mining when it ceases to be profitable for them
651 2011-02-22 21:00:28 <luke-jr> slowing difficulty down a bit
652 2011-02-22 21:00:31 <TD> ;;bc,calcd 560000 500000
653 2011-02-22 21:00:33 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 560000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 500000, is 6 weeks, 2 days, 9 hours, 13 minutes, and 12 seconds
654 2011-02-22 21:00:37 <TD> hrmm
655 2011-02-22 21:00:45 <TD> difficulty still not high enough
656 2011-02-22 21:00:47 <TD> need more
657 2011-02-22 21:00:49 <luke-jr> jnd: note I run it at -f 1
658 2011-02-22 21:01:01 <quellhorst> i kinda want to get some motherboard that i can start out with 1x 5870 but then expand to 4x.
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662 2011-02-22 21:01:24 <luke-jr> quellhorst: the more mining rigs, the faster difficulty goes up :P
663 2011-02-22 21:01:27 <jnd> I run default with about 250M
664 2011-02-22 21:01:39 <quellhorst> luke-jr: lol
665 2011-02-22 21:01:53 <quellhorst> it seems like a cool thing to do.
666 2011-02-22 21:02:00 <quellhorst> never got excited about @home
667 2011-02-22 21:02:13 <luke-jr> jnd: 765 MHz I guess is clock speed
668 2011-02-22 21:02:23 <luke-jr> jnd: are you using SDK 2.1?
669 2011-02-22 21:03:10 <jnd> with -f 1 it goes to about 260M, I use SDK 2.3 because it was easier to install :)
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672 2011-02-22 21:04:17 <jnd> maybe I could run it with -f 1 overnight, not usable desktop with that
673 2011-02-22 21:04:20 * [Tycho] is thinking about adding 5770 to mining. It would cost $120
674 2011-02-22 21:04:37 <quellhorst> here is my current rack
675 2011-02-22 21:04:37 <quellhorst> https://img.skitch.com/20110222-a466x1f95wbyan91wgbs15wtw.jpg
676 2011-02-22 21:04:59 <TD> gavinandresen: do you know what the significance of 486604799 in the genesis scriptSig is?
677 2011-02-22 21:05:43 <TD> is it purely to be an extraNonce?
678 2011-02-22 21:05:55 <gavinandresen> TD: I dunno...
679 2011-02-22 21:06:00 <TD> hrmm
680 2011-02-22 21:06:18 <[Tycho]> Wow, looks like steel tubing :)
681 2011-02-22 21:07:13 <gavinandresen> Ah, there we go: >>> hex(486604799)
682 2011-02-22 21:07:13 <gavinandresen> '0x1d00ffff'
683 2011-02-22 21:07:18 <gavinandresen> That's initial difficulty
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687 2011-02-22 21:07:40 <luke-jr> with SDK 2.1/2.2, you should get 255 MH/s at default -f
688 2011-02-22 21:07:40 <luke-jr> use -f 1 to get 265
689 2011-02-22 21:07:40 <luke-jr> jnd: yeah, SDK 2.3 is much slower
690 2011-02-22 21:07:40 <luke-jr> it also eats CPU time (so does 2.2)
691 2011-02-22 21:07:40 <luke-jr> 2.1 uses like 1% CPU, and 5 MH/s more
692 2011-02-22 21:07:40 <luke-jr> mine isn't usable with any -f setting IMO
693 2011-02-22 21:07:40 <luke-jr> I just use IGP for desktop stuff
694 2011-02-22 21:07:40 <luke-jr> Radeon mines in a VM
695 2011-02-22 21:07:40 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: $10/mo in power for that, if you pay what I do for electric
696 2011-02-22 21:07:40 * [Tycho] has ~30 meters of steel tube in his room ATM
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701 2011-02-22 21:08:03 <quellhorst> [Tycho]: why?
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703 2011-02-22 21:08:14 <quellhorst> luke-jr: whats your kw/h price?
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707 2011-02-22 21:08:23 <luke-jr> quellhorst: nfc âº
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710 2011-02-22 21:08:39 <luke-jr> I didn't do the math :p
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713 2011-02-22 21:08:50 <quellhorst> mine is .12 -> .14 kw
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715 2011-02-22 21:09:03 <quellhorst> at least thats on the electric bill
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719 2011-02-22 21:09:32 <xelister> quellhorst: so how much you pay per 1 kWh ?
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722 2011-02-22 21:09:38 <xelister> quellhorst: and what country
723 2011-02-22 21:09:41 <quellhorst> dallas, tx
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731 2011-02-22 21:10:38 <quellhorst> Green Mountain Energy Charge - 615 kWh Total @ 12.1909 cents/kWh $74.97
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735 2011-02-22 21:11:04 <TD> gavinandresen: thanks. what a bizarre way to write it.
736 2011-02-22 21:12:27 <quellhorst> xelister: what about you?
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738 2011-02-22 21:14:26 <chmod755> .12 .14? damn that's cheap...
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767 2011-02-22 21:17:13 <mmarker> chmod755: that's Texas
768 2011-02-22 21:17:24 <quellhorst> my parents are on a nuke reactor and i think they are even cheaper at ~.11
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770 2011-02-22 21:18:06 <chmod755> .19 euro/kWh here :(
771 2011-02-22 21:18:34 <quellhorst> depending on the part of .eu you are in, you could do cooling with outside air
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773 2011-02-22 21:18:57 <quellhorst> in datacenters cooling is a big expense
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778 2011-02-22 21:25:28 <Jeroenz0r_> put rig outside
779 2011-02-22 21:25:33 <Jeroenz0r_> -19' Celcious
780 2011-02-22 21:25:58 <Jeroenz0r_> celcius >.<
781 2011-02-22 21:26:39 <toad_> best way to find a good exchanger?
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783 2011-02-22 21:30:47 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: If you don't mind the question... how many transactions does ClearCoin process on a weekly basis? I'm curious about the uptake of the service.
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788 2011-02-22 21:31:36 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: I don't know, I've been too busy with bitcoin stuff to write internal stats/status pages (it is on my short todo list)
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791 2011-02-22 21:35:58 <andrew12> "Lies, damned lies, and statistics"
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794 2011-02-22 21:38:38 <gavinandresen> My email Inbox is definitely interesting these days... this morning it was Dope Stars, Inc. asking about bitcoin http://www.dopestarsinc.com/ (ElectroPunk band)
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796 2011-02-22 21:39:35 <Blitzboom> heh, cool
797 2011-02-22 21:40:11 <jnd> luke-jr: when not using -f my desktop is usable, videos, flash and some games are OK while still mining at similar rate
798 2011-02-22 21:40:23 <Blitzboom> hmm, looks like they already are using youtipit
799 2011-02-22 21:40:27 <Blitzboom> and bitcoins
800 2011-02-22 21:40:49 <gavinandresen> yup, they're excited about bitcoins
801 2011-02-22 21:40:58 <Blitzboom> :)
802 2011-02-22 21:41:12 <Tril> hi toad_ :) you considering taking btc donations for freenet?
803 2011-02-22 21:41:29 <toad_> yeah we're gonna take donations
804 2011-02-22 21:41:35 <Tril> cool
805 2011-02-22 21:41:41 <toad_> due to the lack of stability/packaging of the software we're gonna use mybitcoin for now
806 2011-02-22 21:42:32 <gavinandresen> Speaking of donations... I'm teaching ClearCoin to send unreleased coins to a charity instead of refunding them to the sender.
807 2011-02-22 21:42:39 <toad_> i'm assuming any exchanger that starts taking the coins and running is going to get blacklisted pretty fast? so it's just a matter of try all the exchangers linked from bitcoin.org out and go with whoever offers the best price??
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809 2011-02-22 21:43:55 <gavinandresen> toad_: until we get fully licensed and insured exchangers (assuming you put faith in licensing and insurance)... yeah
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814 2011-02-22 21:46:04 <xelister> toad_: mtgox is most popular. I can exchange too
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818 2011-02-22 21:51:37 <luke-jr> jnd: maybe it's overhead from VNC then
819 2011-02-22 21:51:37 <luke-jr> jnd: when I want to game, I stop miner and VNC to Radeon
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821 2011-02-22 21:52:27 <Blitzboom> this is from DGC btw: https://www.privatepaste.com/452ca3ff0d/schwurb
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823 2011-02-22 21:53:45 <TheKid> DGC?
824 2011-02-22 21:54:03 <Blitzboom> dutchgreenclub. site for ordering cannabis online
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826 2011-02-22 21:54:21 <Blitzboom> i thought of them first, naturally
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845 2011-02-22 22:02:26 <hacim> what is that giant flash box on bitcoin.org
846 2011-02-22 22:03:10 <chmod755> the video from gavinandresen?
847 2011-02-22 22:03:40 <hacim> why is it flash, and not html5
848 2011-02-22 22:03:56 <hacim> flash is evil
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850 2011-02-22 22:04:08 <chmod755> hacim: I don't know, but I agree
851 2011-02-22 22:04:19 <hacim> or at least provide a link to a non-flash version of the video for download
852 2011-02-22 22:04:25 <chmod755> yup
853 2011-02-22 22:04:36 <hacim> if I were a hacker, I'd steal people's wallets via flash :)
854 2011-02-22 22:05:17 <chmod755> hacim: lol
855 2011-02-22 22:07:10 <gavinandresen> hacim: http://blip.tv/file/4771178/ There's a play in HTML5 preference there
856 2011-02-22 22:08:04 <jnd> luke-jr: I have to stop it sometimes too but for most things it's ok, the cpu usage when miner is running is pretty low even at lowest frequency
857 2011-02-22 22:08:39 <chmod755> gavinandresen: thats m4v or something?
858 2011-02-22 22:08:51 <hacim> gavinandresen: thanks! I usually watch blip.tv via html5, so that will work. maybe add a link to that on the website?
859 2011-02-22 22:09:00 <gavinandresen> chmod755: I dunno, I didn't do nuthin but talk at the event...
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861 2011-02-22 22:09:24 <gavinandresen> hacim: I'll mention it to Sirius (my embed-video-in-a-website kung-fu is weak)
862 2011-02-22 22:09:36 <hacim> same here :)
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866 2011-02-22 22:13:02 <chmod755> gavinandresen: do you own stone money?
867 2011-02-22 22:13:24 <gavinandresen> chmod755: I wish!
868 2011-02-22 22:13:51 <jgarzik> so, gavinandresen is not stoned at present, IOW
869 2011-02-22 22:14:07 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: correct. But I wish I was.
870 2011-02-22 22:14:14 <jgarzik> lol
871 2011-02-22 22:14:26 <chmod755> hacim: http://rapidshare.com/files/449348880/AmherstMedia-MakingMoneyGavinAndresenIgniteAmherst926-214745-17022011.ogg
872 2011-02-22 22:14:53 <jgarzik> chmod755: is that video, or just audio?
873 2011-02-22 22:15:10 <chmod755> jgarzik: video
874 2011-02-22 22:16:41 <xelister> yey guys
875 2011-02-22 22:16:49 <xelister> freenet will accept bitcoin donations
876 2011-02-22 22:17:43 <hacim> xelister: cool, where is that stated?
877 2011-02-22 22:17:44 * xelister pokes da2ce7 in the face
878 2011-02-22 22:19:55 <slush> what happen to forum?
879 2011-02-22 22:20:06 <slush> It's slow and renders without CSS for me
880 2011-02-22 22:20:31 <slush> another slashdot? :)
881 2011-02-22 22:20:43 <xelister> slush: you accidentailly opened it via tor? someone's DDoSing you/miner? ;)
882 2011-02-22 22:21:04 <slush> xelister: hehe, no. My connection is OK
883 2011-02-22 22:21:35 <KBme> slush: monitor resolution too high?
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885 2011-02-22 22:22:15 <xelister> Radeon driver is going BLLLAAHRHRHR WALLLRAHRRHRHRHRHHR and kill part of your LCD and net card?
886 2011-02-22 22:22:29 <KBme> maybe Cosmic ray particles crashed through your hard disk platter?
887 2011-02-22 22:22:33 <slush> hehe, I'm not mining with my desktop :)
888 2011-02-22 22:22:44 <slush> so forum works for you?
889 2011-02-22 22:22:57 <xelister> hacim: [Tuesday 22 February 2011] [22:33:58] <toad_> yeah we're gonna take donations
890 2011-02-22 22:23:13 <KBme> you might be a victim of Atilla the Hub
891 2011-02-22 22:23:34 <KBme> man, i love bofh-excuses
892 2011-02-22 22:25:10 <jgarzik> heh, bitcoin is popular with Swedes: http://www.google.com/trends?q=bitcoin
893 2011-02-22 22:25:24 * jgarzik is surprised to see them above Amer/Can/Aus-Westerners
894 2011-02-22 22:26:54 <jgarzik> maybe we can thank xelister for Polish popularity
895 2011-02-22 22:27:10 <hacim> gavinandresen: nice job on the talk!
896 2011-02-22 22:27:14 <xelister> jgarzik: yeap, we will be number one in poland.
897 2011-02-22 22:27:24 <xelister> so did gavinandresen showed boobies?
898 2011-02-22 22:27:37 <xelister> if yes then Im dissapointedin da2ce7's 150 btc bounty on sexy bitcoin talk video lol b
899 2011-02-22 22:27:52 <gavinandresen> hacim: thanks! I really wish I'd known about the local Alpaca farmer that's selling socks for bitcoins, it would've been a great example merchant....
900 2011-02-22 22:28:03 <hacim> xelister: there was sex toys shown
901 2011-02-22 22:28:18 <gavinandresen> xelister: blue-footed boobies? what do they have to do with bitcoins?
902 2011-02-22 22:28:19 <hacim> gavinandresen: ah! that was local to there, yeah that would have been a good hook
903 2011-02-22 22:28:37 <xelister> gavinandresen: Bitcoin over carriage pidgin \o/
904 2011-02-22 22:28:51 <gavinandresen> hacim: yes, the event was Ignite! Amherst, and the theme was "making stuff"
905 2011-02-22 22:30:03 <xelister> da2ce7: around?
906 2011-02-22 22:30:03 * xelister robs da2ce7 wallet for being afk
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908 2011-02-22 22:35:21 <BlueMatt> can anyone else on deutsche telekom traceroute core1.fra1.he.net?
909 2011-02-22 22:36:08 <andrew12> wat
910 2011-02-22 22:36:14 Syke has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
911 2011-02-22 22:36:33 <andrew12> i can traceroute that but i'm not on "deutsche telekom"
912 2011-02-22 22:36:37 <BlueMatt> if your isp == deutsche telekom, can you ping core1.fra1.he.net
913 2011-02-22 22:36:44 <ArtForz> wow, getting routed around the globe
914 2011-02-22 22:36:59 <andrew12> oic
915 2011-02-22 22:37:00 <BlueMatt> for me, its going through new york == slow and 75% packet loss
916 2011-02-22 22:37:08 <BlueMatt> and thats my ipv6 tunnel :(
917 2011-02-22 22:37:09 <ArtForz> ping works, but ping time > 200ms
918 2011-02-22 22:37:15 <ArtForz> yep, asme here
919 2011-02-22 22:37:17 <ArtForz> *same
920 2011-02-22 22:37:28 <quellhorst> wtf, Radeon HD 5970 is fucking expensive
921 2011-02-22 22:37:28 <BlueMatt> ok, so I'm not insane
922 2011-02-22 22:37:51 <andrew12> incoming traceroute
923 2011-02-22 22:37:52 <ArtForz> nope, same shit here
924 2011-02-22 22:37:56 <[Tycho]> 5970 isn't already
925 2011-02-22 22:38:02 <ArtForz> and fra1 is also my endpoint :/
926 2011-02-22 22:38:17 <BlueMatt> are you getting loss/slowness on your tunnel?
927 2011-02-22 22:38:22 <ArtForz> yep
928 2011-02-22 22:38:36 <BlueMatt> ok, well Ive emailed them, hopefully they will get a fix
929 2011-02-22 22:38:58 <Zarutian> was a link affected by solar flare activity? spaceweather.com mention 50% chance of M-class flares.
930 2011-02-22 22:39:06 <jgarzik> quellhorst: it's a matter of perspective. will mining pay for the 5970, electricity, and still turn a profit?
931 2011-02-22 22:39:11 <eureka^> hello hi
932 2011-02-22 22:39:12 <eureka^> oh
933 2011-02-22 22:39:14 <eureka^> nvm
934 2011-02-22 22:39:57 <jgarzik> quellhorst: if you pay $2000 for hardware, and received 1500 BTC a month...
935 2011-02-22 22:40:27 <andrew12> i started trying to get he ipv6 set up on my router but got distracted ;p
936 2011-02-22 22:40:42 <quellhorst> jgarzik: i'm not familiar with covertion 1500 btc to $
937 2011-02-22 22:40:45 <xelister> why you need productivity when you got irc
938 2011-02-22 22:40:47 * jgarzik had all sorts of problems with he.net IPv6. had to switch to sixxs.net years ago.
939 2011-02-22 22:41:01 <jgarzik> quellhorst: http://www.bitcoinwatch.com/ shows exchange rates.
940 2011-02-22 22:41:07 * BlueMatt had all sorts of problems with sixxs.net in the past, and had to switch to he
941 2011-02-22 22:41:14 <jgarzik> heh
942 2011-02-22 22:41:30 <quellhorst> jgarzik: you mining?
943 2011-02-22 22:41:36 <chmod755> me too
944 2011-02-22 22:41:47 <jgarzik> quellhorst: in a manner of speaking
945 2011-02-22 22:41:50 <xelister> btw, anyone wants 500 BTC @ good prices like 0.84 (it's below mtgox), wire to European bank in USD or EUR ?
946 2011-02-22 22:41:55 <quellhorst> how long does it take to sell bitcoins?
947 2011-02-22 22:41:58 <xelister> if yes then pm me
948 2011-02-22 22:41:58 <BlueMatt> Until today, I haven't had a problem, and I get better pings on he than on any sixxs tunnel
949 2011-02-22 22:42:26 <jgarzik> quellhorst: 1 second, on mtgox
950 2011-02-22 22:42:33 <chmod755> I can also traceroute
951 2011-02-22 22:42:46 <chmod755> oh didn't scroll
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953 2011-02-22 22:44:01 <ArtForz> fra1 likes to be flaky from time to time
954 2011-02-22 22:44:23 <andrew12> yabba my icing
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958 2011-02-22 22:48:15 <JunK-Y> since today, i see "verification failed, check hardware!"
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962 2011-02-22 22:52:01 <quellhorst> what is mcash/sec ?
963 2011-02-22 22:52:09 Syke has joined
964 2011-02-22 22:52:20 <BlueMatt> mhash
965 2011-02-22 22:52:25 <LtBrenton_> quellhorst, it's how bill gates measures his wealth
966 2011-02-22 22:52:25 <BlueMatt> Mega Hashes per second
967 2011-02-22 22:52:27 <quellhorst> ahh
968 2011-02-22 22:52:32 <LtBrenton_> in megacash per second
969 2011-02-22 22:52:33 <LtBrenton_> XD
970 2011-02-22 22:52:54 <quellhorst> is there a wiki page for setting up my own server?
971 2011-02-22 22:54:13 <BlueMatt> just run bitcoind with the -rpcuser=user -rpcpassword=pass and -rpcallowip=ip
972 2011-02-22 22:54:20 <BlueMatt> or put the options in .bitcoin/bitcoin.conf
973 2011-02-22 22:55:14 <luke-jr> you'll never guess my RPC username!
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975 2011-02-22 22:55:23 <BlueMatt> user? or luke?
976 2011-02-22 22:55:40 <quellhorst> 5970 > 5870 in $/mhash ?
977 2011-02-22 22:55:51 <luke-jr> xelister: if the buyer is assuming the risk, it'd better be more than slightly below MtGox :p
978 2011-02-22 22:55:55 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: nope
979 2011-02-22 22:56:12 <luke-jr> quellhorst: pretty sure yes
980 2011-02-22 22:56:13 <bk128-Droid> No. Better in mhash/s/watt
981 2011-02-22 22:56:25 <xelister> luke-jr: it would be my friend actually tarding, have good -otc trust (done 1000+ btc exchanges alraedy)
982 2011-02-22 22:56:28 <andrew12> how about btc/watt?
983 2011-02-22 22:56:29 <andrew12> ;)
984 2011-02-22 22:56:31 <luke-jr> quellhorst: 5970 is basically two 5870s with some resources shared
985 2011-02-22 22:56:38 <xelister> luke-jr: well perhaps even 0.82 ? mtgox now is again closer to 0.92+
986 2011-02-22 22:56:53 <bk128-Droid> Yes, hopefully better in that too
987 2011-02-22 22:56:54 <luke-jr> xelister: I'm not willing to take the risk for $500, sorry
988 2011-02-22 22:56:56 <BlueMatt> ;;bc,mtgox
989 2011-02-22 22:56:57 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.95,"low":0.8313,"vol":11580,"buy":0.8613,"sell":0.91,"last":0.8613}}
990 2011-02-22 22:57:08 <luke-jr> andrew12: you can't do BTC/watt
991 2011-02-22 22:57:13 <luke-jr> andrew12: mining has no guarantees
992 2011-02-22 22:57:34 <andrew12> luke-jr: neither does the internet
993 2011-02-22 22:57:57 <luke-jr> pfft
994 2011-02-22 22:57:59 <[Tycho]> quellhorst, by default 5970 runs on 725 MHz speed and 5870 runs on 850 (can be overclocked easily to 950)
995 2011-02-22 22:58:09 <luke-jr> if I don't get interwebs, I dispute CC charge
996 2011-02-22 22:58:26 <quellhorst> [Tycho]: both can be overclocked easily?
997 2011-02-22 22:58:59 <bk128-Droid> My 5870 won't go past 900 unless I hack the BIOS
998 2011-02-22 22:59:09 <[Tycho]> quellhorst, no, only 5870
999 2011-02-22 23:00:03 <JunK-Y> bk128-Droid: hey ive finally got my 2nd 6950
1000 2011-02-22 23:00:21 <bk128-Droid> Cool. How fast is it?
1001 2011-02-22 23:00:24 <[Tycho]> quellhorst, overclocking 5970 is more difficult. Generally it can work on 800 MHz, but further you can run in cooling problems, PSU problems and need some overvolting.
1002 2011-02-22 23:00:34 <andrew12> ruby: No such file or directory -- bitcoinaddress.rb (LoadError)
1003 2011-02-22 23:00:35 <andrew12> er
1004 2011-02-22 23:00:59 <andrew12> a) i didnt mean to do -o, b) wrong filename
1005 2011-02-22 23:01:28 <JunK-Y> 2x6950 (in crossfire) are at like 180 each.
1006 2011-02-22 23:01:45 <TheKid> JunK-Y: where do you find those cards for that price?
1007 2011-02-22 23:02:03 <JunK-Y> TheKid: i was talking 180 Mhash/s :)
1008 2011-02-22 23:02:06 <bk128-Droid> Ick. I'm getting 680 with 2 5870s
1009 2011-02-22 23:02:16 <bk128-Droid> Are they expensive?
1010 2011-02-22 23:02:24 <JunK-Y> 300$
1011 2011-02-22 23:02:54 <JunK-Y> bk128-Droid: the 5870 is at 2.7 TFlops, the 6950 is at 2 IIRC
1012 2011-02-22 23:03:01 <bk128-Droid> Why not use 5870s then.200 usd almost twice as fast
1013 2011-02-22 23:03:26 <BlueMatt> JunK-Y sha256 has nothing to do with floating point
1014 2011-02-22 23:03:47 <JunK-Y> cause i'll do something else with the cards after
1015 2011-02-22 23:03:59 <Keefe> within the same series, i.e. 5xxx, you can use the tflops figures to compare
1016 2011-02-22 23:03:59 <bk128-Droid> Ok
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1018 2011-02-22 23:04:21 <Keefe> but not between 4xxx and 5xxx, or 5xxx and 6xxx
1019 2011-02-22 23:04:23 <BlueMatt> hes comparing 5XXX to 6XXX using flops
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1021 2011-02-22 23:04:24 <bk128-Droid> Ok afk
1022 2011-02-22 23:05:05 <JunK-Y> even on my 5970, the speed seems a bit slower then few days ago.
1023 2011-02-22 23:05:51 <xelister> JunK-Y: speed as in MHash ??
1024 2011-02-22 23:06:04 <JunK-Y> it varies from 120 to 230
1025 2011-02-22 23:06:06 <JunK-Y> xelister: ya
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1030 2011-02-22 23:07:47 <Gaming4JC> Hey all, I'm having some trouble using bitcoin. I think it might be my ISP but not sure... it shows 3 connections and 109785 blocks (and has been showing this) for literally ages.
1031 2011-02-22 23:07:53 <xelister> JunK-Y: what?
1032 2011-02-22 23:08:02 <xelister> JunK-Y: correct speed on 5970 is 530 MHash/sec
1033 2011-02-22 23:08:07 <Gaming4JC> shouldn't it have gotten more connections/blocks by now? :(
1034 2011-02-22 23:08:19 <xelister> hello Gaming4JC how is it going man o/
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1036 2011-02-22 23:08:28 <Gaming4JC> xelister: Hey! :D
1037 2011-02-22 23:08:31 <xelister> Gaming4JC: just 3 connections? strange.
1038 2011-02-22 23:08:40 <JunK-Y> to get this, do you start 2 miner? one on each device?
1039 2011-02-22 23:08:52 <xelister> JunK-Y: probably not. what miner you use? I use Diablo miner
1040 2011-02-22 23:08:52 <Gaming4JC> xelister: Ya I thought so... :s
1041 2011-02-22 23:09:02 <JunK-Y> i use m0mchil
1042 2011-02-22 23:09:04 <xelister> JunK-Y: what os/distro are you using?
1043 2011-02-22 23:09:13 <Gaming4JC> xelister: btw saw your paper on bcofn, great idea! :)
1044 2011-02-22 23:09:14 <JunK-Y> win 7
1045 2011-02-22 23:09:21 <xelister> Gaming4JC: I get een 8 on torred miner
1046 2011-02-22 23:09:21 <JunK-Y> ya?
1047 2011-02-22 23:09:37 <Gaming4JC> hmm
1048 2011-02-22 23:09:48 <Gaming4JC> I just started using Tor, I'll see if it doesn't help
1049 2011-02-22 23:09:49 <xelister> Gaming4JC: cool, thanks ;) care to write soemthing in the forum? already aroun 200 btc are pledged to implement it
1050 2011-02-22 23:10:05 <xelister> Gaming4JC: plus someone written on Freenet (FMS boards - bitcoin) and pledged a bit also
1051 2011-02-22 23:10:24 <xelister> JunK-Y: oh man windows :-| why don't use a linux like a man :P
1052 2011-02-22 23:10:53 <Gaming4JC> xelister: I would if I could, freenet is so slow it lags behind in days. xD
1053 2011-02-22 23:11:08 <Gaming4JC> plus I've only gotten Freetalk to work on linux
1054 2011-02-22 23:11:16 <Gaming4JC> everything works better on linux
1055 2011-02-22 23:11:17 <Gaming4JC> :)
1056 2011-02-22 23:11:23 <JunK-Y> cause i didnt be able to run it with ubuntu 10.04
1057 2011-02-22 23:11:26 <Gaming4JC> @Win7 currently.
1058 2011-02-22 23:11:38 <xelister> JunK-Y: run what? mining works awesome on linuxes and ubuntu
1059 2011-02-22 23:11:48 <xelister> better then windows, all developers are on linux
1060 2011-02-22 23:11:54 <Gaming4JC> true dat.
1061 2011-02-22 23:11:55 <Gaming4JC> :D
1062 2011-02-22 23:12:02 <JunK-Y> even 10.04?
1063 2011-02-22 23:12:14 <xelister> JunK-Y: Im quite sure. Anyway why not update to 10.10 ?
1064 2011-02-22 23:12:17 <Gaming4JC> I'm on 10.10
1065 2011-02-22 23:12:23 <JunK-Y> cause 10.04 is the LTS
1066 2011-02-22 23:12:31 <Gaming4JC> true
1067 2011-02-22 23:12:34 <xelister> JunK-Y: I can set up full ubuntu miner for you, doing 530 MHash/sec .. I will write PM
1068 2011-02-22 23:12:34 <Gaming4JC> run latest updates?
1069 2011-02-22 23:13:13 <JunK-Y> xelister: let me try to install 10.10 tonight
1070 2011-02-22 23:13:30 <Gaming4JC> xelister: Tor fixed it, now I got 8 connections :D
1071 2011-02-22 23:13:47 <JunK-Y> Gaming4JC: ya, the problem was with python and the pocl
1072 2011-02-22 23:14:07 <Gaming4JC> ah
1073 2011-02-22 23:14:32 <Gaming4JC> 3214khash/s is kinda slow isn't it?
1074 2011-02-22 23:14:37 <Gaming4JC> considering my hardware...
1075 2011-02-22 23:14:44 <JunK-Y> xelister: let me try with ubuntu 10.10 and we'll be in touch.
1076 2011-02-22 23:15:03 <xelister> oki
1077 2011-02-22 23:15:14 <xelister> Gaming4JC: what gpu?
1078 2011-02-22 23:15:23 <Gaming4JC> xelister: yes
1079 2011-02-22 23:15:30 <Gaming4JC> ATI Radeon 4802 HD
1080 2011-02-22 23:15:43 <Gaming4JC> 4800 x2*
1081 2011-02-22 23:15:56 <xelister> so you get 3 Mhash
1082 2011-02-22 23:16:08 <Gaming4JC> seems loq?
1083 2011-02-22 23:16:15 <Gaming4JC> low* (typos today xP )
1084 2011-02-22 23:16:40 <Gaming4JC> I was also only getting 1421 khash on CPU miner
1085 2011-02-22 23:16:49 <Gaming4JC> pathetic for a corei7 :s
1086 2011-02-22 23:17:01 <BlueMatt> I get ~1500/core
1087 2011-02-22 23:17:13 <BlueMatt> well 3000/physical core 1500/virtual one
1088 2011-02-22 23:17:30 <Gaming4JC> thusfar I haven't even mined 1 bitcoin :P
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1090 2011-02-22 23:17:45 <BlueMatt> Gaming4JC: they come in chunks of 50
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1092 2011-02-22 23:17:50 <BlueMatt> ;;bc,calc 1500
1093 2011-02-22 23:17:51 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1500 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 3 years, 16 weeks, 1 day, 6 hours, 53 minutes, and 34 seconds
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1095 2011-02-22 23:17:58 <BlueMatt> 3 years...
1096 2011-02-22 23:18:01 <Gaming4JC> 3years?!!?
1097 2011-02-22 23:18:07 <Gaming4JC> ugh
1098 2011-02-22 23:18:20 <BlueMatt> join a pool, and use a gpu
1099 2011-02-22 23:18:30 <BlueMatt> cpu mining is pretty much pointless
1100 2011-02-22 23:18:46 <Gaming4JC> bummer, I just told some guys about bitcoin and they are all cpu mining
1101 2011-02-22 23:18:47 <Gaming4JC> lol
1102 2011-02-22 23:19:01 <Gaming4JC> I doubt they'd be able to gpu mine, too technical
1103 2011-02-22 23:19:10 <Gaming4JC> I don't find it difficult, but newbies you know...
1104 2011-02-22 23:19:26 <BlueMatt> well mining is getting harder and harder
1105 2011-02-22 23:19:42 <BlueMatt> its really not for people who aren't building mining computers anymore
1106 2011-02-22 23:19:52 <Gaming4JC> hmm :(
1107 2011-02-22 23:20:20 <Gaming4JC> we need 44 bitcoin to run a minecraft server (the guy that was running it recently can't afford the bill and doesn't have work) so I convinced 250 ppl to start mining
1108 2011-02-22 23:20:33 <Gaming4JC> then we can use bitcoin to pay for it :P
1109 2011-02-22 23:20:34 <BlueMatt> lol
1110 2011-02-22 23:20:45 <BlueMatt> get them to join one server/pool
1111 2011-02-22 23:20:46 <jgarzik> Gaming4JC: you'll have your 50 BTC after 3 years...
1112 2011-02-22 23:21:03 <Gaming4JC> lol...
1113 2011-02-22 23:21:03 <BlueMatt> ;;math calc 250*1500
1114 2011-02-22 23:21:04 <gribble> 375000
1115 2011-02-22 23:21:11 <BlueMatt> ;;bc,calc 375000
1116 2011-02-22 23:21:12 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 375000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 4 days, 19 hours, 59 minutes, and 44 seconds
1117 2011-02-22 23:21:14 <quellhorst> is $850 for 5970 too much? 5870 seems to be $254
1118 2011-02-22 23:21:28 <Gaming4JC> hmm not bad :D
1119 2011-02-22 23:21:39 <Gaming4JC> how do I get them to join a pool...
1120 2011-02-22 23:21:42 <BlueMatt> if they are all using 1500
1121 2011-02-22 23:21:45 <[Tycho]> Used 5970 is ~$400 here.
1122 2011-02-22 23:21:50 <Gaming4JC> keep in mind these people are computer illiterate and run win7
1123 2011-02-22 23:21:50 <jgarzik> quellhorst: I've been buying my new 5970's for $500/ea, but that price is mostly gone from eBay now
1124 2011-02-22 23:21:55 <BlueMatt> well if you all want to work together on one account...
1125 2011-02-22 23:22:10 <quellhorst> jgarzik: where te find the 5970 now then?
1126 2011-02-22 23:22:14 <BlueMatt> setup one server (bitcoind w/ -rpcuser, -rpcpassword...)
1127 2011-02-22 23:22:20 <BlueMatt> then get them all to use an rpc client
1128 2011-02-22 23:22:37 <BlueMatt> there are ones that are fairly simple
1129 2011-02-22 23:22:46 <BlueMatt> or are atleast good instructions
1130 2011-02-22 23:23:17 <BlueMatt> what kind of mhash/s does a 6970 get?
1131 2011-02-22 23:23:40 <Gaming4JC> hmm
1132 2011-02-22 23:23:50 <BlueMatt> Gaming4JC: or just have them all mine for themselves
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1134 2011-02-22 23:24:02 <BlueMatt> and agree that whoever finds 50 first, they split that among all
1135 2011-02-22 23:24:05 <quellhorst> jgarzik: or switch to 5870 now?
1136 2011-02-22 23:24:10 <Gaming4JC> BlueMatt: for 3yrs?
1137 2011-02-22 23:24:10 <BlueMatt> or pay to the guy who needs server bandwidth
1138 2011-02-22 23:24:11 <Gaming4JC> loll
1139 2011-02-22 23:24:18 <Gaming4JC> yeah that's the idea
1140 2011-02-22 23:24:23 <BlueMatt> no if you all mine for yourselves it wont take long
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1142 2011-02-22 23:24:32 <BlueMatt> its a probability thing
1143 2011-02-22 23:24:36 <Gaming4JC> hmm
1144 2011-02-22 23:24:42 <Gaming4JC> still would help if we got in a pool though?
1145 2011-02-22 23:24:52 <BlueMatt> I could make a block (50 BTC) in a millisecond on my cpu
1146 2011-02-22 23:24:56 <BlueMatt> its just a luck thing
1147 2011-02-22 23:24:56 <jgarzik> Gaming4JC: income is far less random in a pool
1148 2011-02-22 23:25:05 <Gaming4JC> ah ok
1149 2011-02-22 23:25:13 <BlueMatt> but if you are all working together to just make one block of 50, then it doesnt make a difference
1150 2011-02-22 23:25:56 <quellhorst> is there a diff between diamond/gigabyte/xfx Radeon 5870 ?
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1152 2011-02-22 23:26:04 <BlueMatt> noish
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1154 2011-02-22 23:26:14 <Gaming4JC> BlueMatt: So what's one that is "fairly simple" to setup? Just in case I can convince them. :)
1155 2011-02-22 23:26:32 <BlueMatt> if you just want one block of 50, then dont worry about it
1156 2011-02-22 23:26:45 <BlueMatt> it makes more sense to do it that way
1157 2011-02-22 23:26:56 <Gaming4JC> well we'd need to pay 44 bitcoin a month
1158 2011-02-22 23:27:01 <xelister> ArtForz: 174 Mhash/s 0.0393 a/s (0.0406a/s)(c=4269 a=168) I wonder why this difference, first a/s is actuall attempts/cycles, and the other one is estimated from Mhash. hmm, perhaps 1 cycle is not exactly 1 second (old diablo miner)
1159 2011-02-22 23:27:24 <Gaming4JC> so some one would have to make at least that much each month
1160 2011-02-22 23:27:31 <BlueMatt> if you all work for yourselves, and donate the proceeds to the server, then it doesnt matter
1161 2011-02-22 23:27:57 <Gaming4JC> even if all are using CPU miner?
1162 2011-02-22 23:27:57 <BlueMatt> how many people do you actually have, and what is their avg khash/s?
1163 2011-02-22 23:27:58 <Gaming4JC> :P
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1165 2011-02-22 23:28:26 <Gaming4JC> well, one person has 9381, I have 1421, occassionally 2000
1166 2011-02-22 23:28:37 <Gaming4JC> and if GPU I can get 3M
1167 2011-02-22 23:28:48 <BlueMatt> did you change the number of cores in the options?
1168 2011-02-22 23:28:56 <Gaming4JC> no
1169 2011-02-22 23:29:00 <BlueMatt> well do that
1170 2011-02-22 23:29:13 <Gaming4JC> limit the number of cores?
1171 2011-02-22 23:29:22 <BlueMatt> set it to the number of cores you have
1172 2011-02-22 23:29:28 <BlueMatt> well unless its a 1 core cpu
1173 2011-02-22 23:29:34 <Gaming4JC> it's 8
1174 2011-02-22 23:29:35 <jgarzik> Gaming4JC: ufasoft's cpu miner appears to be the fastest, at present (says me, the author of 'cpuminer'). and my cpuminer, in turn, is faster than the built-in bitcoin CPU miner.
1175 2011-02-22 23:29:37 <BlueMatt> oh nvm
1176 2011-02-22 23:29:43 <BlueMatt> then how are you getting only 1500?
1177 2011-02-22 23:29:48 <Gaming4JC> beats me
1178 2011-02-22 23:29:50 <Gaming4JC> :(
1179 2011-02-22 23:30:04 <BlueMatt> how many people do you have though?
1180 2011-02-22 23:30:04 <Gaming4JC> jgarzik: lol ok :)
1181 2011-02-22 23:30:20 <Gaming4JC> well in theory if all of our members contribute, 250
1182 2011-02-22 23:30:26 <BlueMatt> ;;bc,calc [math calc 250*1000]
1183 2011-02-22 23:30:28 <Gaming4JC> probably only 100 of them at the most will
1184 2011-02-22 23:30:28 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 250000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 1 week, 0 days, 5 hours, 59 minutes, and 36 seconds
1185 2011-02-22 23:30:33 <jgarzik> 360,000 BTC sent in last 24 hours
1186 2011-02-22 23:30:36 <jgarzik> higher than average volume
1187 2011-02-22 23:30:52 <BlueMatt> provided none of them decide to take the btc for themselves if they find the block
1188 2011-02-22 23:30:59 <Gaming4JC> lol yes
1189 2011-02-22 23:31:10 <BlueMatt> assuming they get on avg 1000
1190 2011-02-22 23:32:20 <Gaming4JC> brb :)
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1194 2011-02-22 23:43:02 <andrew12> w00t
1195 2011-02-22 23:43:07 <andrew12> finally got getblockbycount working
1196 2011-02-22 23:43:18 <andrew12> well
1197 2011-02-22 23:43:23 <andrew12> finally had the patience to let it finish compiling
1198 2011-02-22 23:43:56 <[Tycho]> How can i find block # by it's hash ? I mean, not using blockexplorer.com :)
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1200 2011-02-22 23:44:43 <andrew12> [Tycho]: you can't, at least not unless you have an index of the block chain
1201 2011-02-22 23:45:09 <[Tycho]> :(
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1206 2011-02-22 23:46:31 <andrew12> i'm running something that will give me an sqlite db of all the transactions ^_^
1207 2011-02-22 23:46:34 <BlueMatt> ArtForz: most he ping problems fixed, some lingering issues
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1209 2011-02-22 23:48:51 <andrew12> trying to think of a way to make a relational database for bitcoin data
1210 2011-02-22 23:49:12 <andrew12> including tx inputs
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1212 2011-02-22 23:52:33 <toad_> is there an efficient way to get notified when there is a new version of bitcoin? if i'm building from git how often should i rebuild?
1213 2011-02-22 23:52:52 <toad_> and is there any good reason to trust mybitcoin?
1214 2011-02-22 23:53:23 * toad_ is not planning on hanging on to balances for longer than reasonably necessary ...
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1216 2011-02-22 23:53:33 <lolcat> Hellu
1217 2011-02-22 23:53:36 <andrew12> toad_: watch this channel. CIA-57 (the bot) will announce commits in here.
1218 2011-02-22 23:53:53 <tcatm> toad_: watch https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commits/master.atom
1219 2011-02-22 23:53:54 <lolcat> What is the name of the bitcoin casino with a not-rigged roulette? I want to try the system
1220 2011-02-22 23:53:59 <toad_> andrew12: hmmm that implies a level of commitment well beyond what i'm looking for :|
1221 2011-02-22 23:54:14 <andrew12> toad_: you can also check https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin every so often
1222 2011-02-22 23:54:24 <toad_> is there a mailing list for new releases or something?
1223 2011-02-22 23:54:32 <andrew12> not that i know of
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1225 2011-02-22 23:54:54 <gavinandresen> toad_ : yes, there's a mailing list at sourceforge
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1227 2011-02-22 23:55:03 <andrew12> apparently there is a mailing list :P
1228 2011-02-22 23:55:39 <gavinandresen> https://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=bitcoin-list
1229 2011-02-22 23:55:46 <toad_> looks pretty low traffic
1230 2011-02-22 23:56:08 <gavinandresen> Yes, just new release announcements
1231 2011-02-22 23:56:13 <toad_> however it only shows 0.3.19
1232 2011-02-22 23:56:18 <toad_> what happened to 0.3.20?
1233 2011-02-22 23:56:51 <gavinandresen> I haven't announced it yet....
1234 2011-02-22 23:56:59 <andrew12> hehe
1235 2011-02-22 23:57:00 <gavinandresen> (but I will)
1236 2011-02-22 23:57:07 * toad_ has to balance not liking to trust mybitcoin vs not liking to rebuild stuff regularly ...
1237 2011-02-22 23:57:13 <toad_> gavinandresen: when was it uploaded?
1238 2011-02-22 23:57:27 <gavinandresen> I'm about to upload an updated Mac zip
1239 2011-02-22 23:57:37 <toad_> and worrying about it being written in C - potential security issues; i guess that's largely a red herring
1240 2011-02-22 23:57:52 <gavinandresen> ... and I'm going to rename the linux builds so everything is named 0.3.20.01
1241 2011-02-22 23:58:09 <gavinandresen> ... and then I'm going to create a PGP-signed README.txt and upload that...
1242 2011-02-22 23:58:12 <toad_> hmmm source forge used to have the option to get emailed when a new release is out
1243 2011-02-22 23:58:16 <gavinandresen> ... and then I'll announce. Phew.
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1247 2011-02-22 23:59:16 <andrew12> ;;bc,blocks
1248 2011-02-22 23:59:17 <gribble> 109791
1249 2011-02-22 23:59:46 <CIA-57> bitcoin: tcatm master * r4d9b223 / (ui.cpp ui.h uibase.cpp): remove From/Message fields from SendDialog - http://bit.ly/hPU8VD
1250 2011-02-22 23:59:53 <doublec> toad_: are you looking at accepting bitcoin donations for freenet work?
1251 2011-02-22 23:59:58 <toad_> yeah