1 2011-02-24 00:00:45 <theymos> ArtForz: :( I guess I'm the only one running without it, and I don't mine. I'll probably not remove it when I update my code next.
   2 2011-02-24 00:02:38 <[Tycho]> sipa, can you suggest something, please ? :)
   3 2011-02-24 00:02:40 <tcatm> BitDNS could use the coinbase to store data, couldn't it?
   4 2011-02-24 00:03:26 <BlueMatt> theymos: noone on -otc cares about the change on testnet
   5 2011-02-24 00:03:30 <BlueMatt> just for your reference
   6 2011-02-24 00:03:30 <theymos> Coinbase is limited to 100 bytes. You can store more in the parameters to OP_CHECKSIG, I believe.
   7 2011-02-24 00:03:35 <theymos> OK.
   8 2011-02-24 00:04:00 <theymos> And if you can produce a coinbase, then you could just ignore IsStandard.
   9 2011-02-24 00:04:36 <nanotube> theymos: maybe have two bbes, one for testnet1 one for testnet2 :)
  10 2011-02-24 00:05:13 <theymos> Nah, it's really irritating to maintain multiple almost-identical codebases.
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  12 2011-02-24 00:07:51 <sipa> are testnet and realnet BBE separate codebases?
  13 2011-02-24 00:08:48 <nanotube> besides the different difficulty base, seems like they should be identical
  14 2011-02-24 00:09:56 <theymos> I have to change the URLs of links and stuff. One of these days I'm going to use a parameter for the path instead of a hardcoded value. Even then, though, difficulty and addressversion are different.
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  16 2011-02-24 00:10:09 <theymos> a variable for the path, rather
  17 2011-02-24 00:10:37 <theymos> Actually I'm using mainline difficulty, so difficulty is not different.
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  19 2011-02-24 00:11:02 <nanotube> mm
  20 2011-02-24 00:11:42 <luke-jr> [19:02:55] <bitcoincharts`> TX 1JCKDMbyrdNB5BWT9Cdt2NggeM2KbUTBgz 10 TBC 15T7pYWWVWwuw1aNrDMtbDMepUUSR44Kg2 1951424 uBTCents 30df85ea3d715eedcd24fe64373b1df73bf13725083bfc3207a0c2ee4f8e40a9
  21 2011-02-24 00:11:49 <luke-jr> let's see how well new BCM handles TBC :D
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  23 2011-02-24 00:13:15 <theymos> My next project is to rewrite BBE. My code now mixes data gathering and presentation, which is a big mess. Then I was thinking of selling the old version of BBE's code.
  24 2011-02-24 00:13:44 <luke-jr> BBE?
  25 2011-02-24 00:13:55 <theymos> Bitcoin Block Explorer
  26 2011-02-24 00:14:08 <luke-jr> is there a market for it? :P
  27 2011-02-24 00:14:16 <quellhorst> hahahaha http://www.bitcoinsextoys.com/
  28 2011-02-24 00:14:23 <quellhorst> i assume you guys already know about that site
  29 2011-02-24 00:14:48 <BurtyB> linked from the wiki iirc
  30 2011-02-24 00:14:51 <luke-jr> theymos: I might pitch in toward a bounty to AGPL the new version ;)
  31 2011-02-24 00:15:17 <theymos> I won't sell the new version. I don't want competition.
  32 2011-02-24 00:15:23 <luke-jr> theymos: especially if it meant getting a TBC-compatible BBE
  33 2011-02-24 00:15:26 <[Tycho]> Oh, is there BBE for testnet ?
  34 2011-02-24 00:15:33 <luke-jr> theymos: how could competition hurt?
  35 2011-02-24 00:15:39 <slush> ;;bc,stats
  36 2011-02-24 00:15:42 <gribble> Current Blocks: 110034 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 845 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 4 hours, 27 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51330.21512572
  37 2011-02-24 00:15:55 <BlueMatt> TBC are converted to regular BTC before transactions, correct?
  38 2011-02-24 00:16:01 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: no
  39 2011-02-24 00:16:09 <BlueMatt> is it a separate network?
  40 2011-02-24 00:16:10 <luke-jr> both TBC and BTC are converted to base units
  41 2011-02-24 00:16:22 <luke-jr> BTC is not native to the bitcoin network
  42 2011-02-24 00:16:27 <BlueMatt> so...binary bitcoins?
  43 2011-02-24 00:16:43 <luke-jr> I suppose they could be called that, but they're not really for human eyes
  44 2011-02-24 00:16:50 <BlueMatt> ok
  45 2011-02-24 00:17:05 <luke-jr> "base bitcoin units" expresses their function
  46 2011-02-24 00:17:19 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: where did you paste the tx from then?
  47 2011-02-24 00:17:26 <luke-jr> they are equivalent to 0.00000001 BTC, or 0.0001 TBC
  48 2011-02-24 00:17:32 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: #bitcoin-monitor
  49 2011-02-24 00:17:54 <theymos> [Tycho]: http://blockexplorer.com/testnet has the old version of testnet. I'll switch to the new version at some point.
  50 2011-02-24 00:18:02 <BlueMatt> so...there is a difference in the actual tx between TBC and BTC?
  51 2011-02-24 00:18:29 <[Tycho]> Oh, it's not the new one... Ok.
  52 2011-02-24 00:18:46 <altamic> theymos: you don't want competition?
  53 2011-02-24 00:19:26 <[Tycho]> TBC are used by only one user or not ?
  54 2011-02-24 00:19:30 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: no, just the value
  55 2011-02-24 00:19:34 <nanotube> [Tycho]: yes
  56 2011-02-24 00:19:44 <BlueMatt> so, how did -monitor know that it was TBC?
  57 2011-02-24 00:19:47 <nanotube> BlueMatt: a "tbc" is just a unit of bitcoins == 0.00065535 btc
  58 2011-02-24 00:20:01 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: BTC has multiple users. Tonal has multiple users. TBC has 1 user, while I bridge the gap. :p
  59 2011-02-24 00:20:06 <nanotube> BlueMatt: -monitor guesses, that if an amount i a multiple of 1 tbc, it's tbc. :)
  60 2011-02-24 00:20:12 <BlueMatt> I understand what tbc is, but I was wondering how -monitor knew
  61 2011-02-24 00:20:18 <BlueMatt> nanotube: oh ok
  62 2011-02-24 00:20:21 <BlueMatt> that makes sense then
  63 2011-02-24 00:20:25 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: the formula is a little more complicated ;)
  64 2011-02-24 00:20:27 <BlueMatt> I just wondered how it knew
  65 2011-02-24 00:20:33 <BlueMatt> I guesses that
  66 2011-02-24 00:20:43 <theymos> altamic: No, I don't.
  67 2011-02-24 00:20:48 <luke-jr> yeah, you can mostly guess whether an amount is TBC or BTC
  68 2011-02-24 00:21:22 <altamic> I see
  69 2011-02-24 00:21:27 <luke-jr> Spesmilo has an even more complex guessing algorithm
  70 2011-02-24 00:21:35 <luke-jr> based on user settings
  71 2011-02-24 00:21:49 <luke-jr> which are a combination of Decimal | Tonal, and Assume | Prefer | Force
  72 2011-02-24 00:22:53 <altamic> so what would you advice to someone that has implemented a bbe clone in ruby?
  73 2011-02-24 00:23:08 <theymos> Delete it immediately! ;)
  74 2011-02-24 00:23:31 <altamic> haha
  75 2011-02-24 00:24:50 <altamic> ok will not delete neither publish
  76 2011-02-24 00:24:50 <theymos> Clearly I can't stop competition. But I can avoid helping it by keeping BBE closed-source. When I do get competition, I'll have to compete.
  77 2011-02-24 00:25:16 <BlueMatt> who cares, more competition == less bandwith for you?
  78 2011-02-24 00:25:17 <altamic> I don't want to compete for the sake of it
  79 2011-02-24 00:26:48 <altamic> I would like to help people to preserve purchasing power by using bitcoin
  80 2011-02-24 00:28:06 <luke-jr> altamic: I concur with theymos
  81 2011-02-24 00:28:28 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: that was my thought
  82 2011-02-24 00:28:48 <theymos> altamic: What did you write your ruby block viewer for?
  83 2011-02-24 00:29:39 <altamic> scratching my own itch
  84 2011-02-24 00:29:53 <altamic> to understand the system
  85 2011-02-24 00:29:58 <altamic> in detail
  86 2011-02-24 00:30:52 <theymos> I used to output every getblock block to a file, and then grep through that. That was very annoying.
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  88 2011-02-24 00:31:04 <altamic> I see
  89 2011-02-24 00:31:10 <altamic> I am using redis
  90 2011-02-24 00:31:33 <luke-jr> BCM: "BTC 0.0100" wtf
  91 2011-02-24 00:31:53 <luke-jr> even if it was rounding down, it should still be "BTC 0.0104"
  92 2011-02-24 00:32:34 <altamic> redis is very fast and efficient
  93 2011-02-24 00:33:07 <altamic> it's a kind of data structure service
  94 2011-02-24 00:33:14 <phantomcircuit> http://codepad.org/1Xmuup9b
  95 2011-02-24 00:33:51 <phantomcircuit> the magic value is correct in buffered_read but None in read_message_header, im probably missing something super obvious
  96 2011-02-24 00:33:53 <phantomcircuit> any thoughts?
  97 2011-02-24 00:33:55 <phantomcircuit> (python3)
  98 2011-02-24 00:35:31 <theymos> altamic: BBE is using a PostgreSQL database. Relational databases seem well-suited for storing block data, since blocks/inputs/outputs fit neatly on a row.
  99 2011-02-24 00:36:04 <altamic> there is an hash for that in redis
 100 2011-02-24 00:36:42 <theymos> How does that work?
 101 2011-02-24 00:36:43 <altamic> a row of a table is syntactic sugar
 102 2011-02-24 00:37:20 <theymos> I've never worked with NoSQL-type systems.
 103 2011-02-24 00:37:38 <altamic> I see
 104 2011-02-24 00:38:02 <altamic> http://redis.io/commands#hash
 105 2011-02-24 00:38:19 <altamic> http://redis.io/commands/hset
 106 2011-02-24 00:38:43 <phantomcircuit> this is weird
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 108 2011-02-24 00:39:31 <theymos> altamic: Interesting. Is going through each value you want to fetch faster than fetching a row with SQL?
 109 2011-02-24 00:40:20 <jgarzik> theymos: sorry for the FAQ, but...  does BBE currently show testnet v2?
 110 2011-02-24 00:40:27 <theymos> Not yet.
 111 2011-02-24 00:40:35 <jgarzik> ok
 112 2011-02-24 00:40:44 <jgarzik> what is the current block count on testnet v2, anyone?
 113 2011-02-24 00:40:52 <bk128> today was weird.  I started up diablominer and generated 10 seconds later
 114 2011-02-24 00:41:10 <altamic> theymos: fetch is a SQL jargon, index values are a in a proper set
 115 2011-02-24 00:41:31 <altamic> that is a supported ADT
 116 2011-02-24 00:41:56 <altamic> with redis you can think in terms of ADT
 117 2011-02-24 00:42:16 <altamic> avoiding ORM type mismatch
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 119 2011-02-24 00:43:56 <gasteve_> Nosql type systems give you a more direct interface between the programming language and the physical storage structures, which offers more opportunity for optimization to suit your needs
 120 2011-02-24 00:44:21 <BlueMatt> altamic: do you really get better performance on this thing than on a standard sql for something like blocks, which is very tableish
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 122 2011-02-24 00:45:53 <theymos> altamic: Considering I don't really understand what you said, I think I'll let PostgreSQL do its magic for now.
 123 2011-02-24 00:46:30 <altamic> BlueMatt: no benchmark at the moment
 124 2011-02-24 00:47:03 <altamic> theymos: postres is the best db I've worked with
 125 2011-02-24 00:47:08 <altamic> posgres
 126 2011-02-24 00:47:14 <sipa> postgres
 127 2011-02-24 00:47:17 <sipa> ;)
 128 2011-02-24 00:47:22 <altamic> sorry
 129 2011-02-24 00:47:29 <gasteve_> SQL is a query language...actual performance would depend heavily on the optimization engine and underlying storage structures...there is an overhead to ORM impedance mismatch that does have a cost, but the nosql storage system could also be inefficient
 130 2011-02-24 00:48:02 <sipa> so the question is postgresql vs redis, not sql vs nosql :)
 131 2011-02-24 00:48:03 <BlueMatt> but from a theoretical pov, a sql, or more standard "table"ish store, would give better perforce than a pure key-value store, as that would require additional requests to the db
 132 2011-02-24 00:48:13 <BlueMatt> (assuming you ignore the requirements of parsing the sql)
 133 2011-02-24 00:48:44 <BlueMatt> and dont use nosql, its a bs term which can refer to one of many classes of dbs
 134 2011-02-24 00:48:52 <BlueMatt> in this case a pure key-value store
 135 2011-02-24 00:49:10 <altamic> sql is simply a DSL for the key value store that a DB is based upon
 136 2011-02-24 00:49:12 <BlueMatt> with list support and a couple other useful value types
 137 2011-02-24 00:49:51 <BlueMatt> yea, but would it not be more efficient to do it all in one transaction w/ the data base then with the several that are required in a pure key-value store
 138 2011-02-24 00:49:51 <gasteve_> But well designed systems that let you map objects directly to disk and bypass SQL can be both highly efficient and far more easy to work with (*can be* being the key phrase...seen lots that are horrible)
 139 2011-02-24 00:50:00 <BlueMatt> or can you do it all in one transaction w/ redis?
 140 2011-02-24 00:50:24 <altamic> http://redis.io/commands#transactions
 141 2011-02-24 00:50:36 <BlueMatt> gasteve_: yea, for now just ignore the fact that sql can be inefficient bc of the parse requirements
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 143 2011-02-24 00:51:33 <BlueMatt> not that kind of tx
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 145 2011-02-24 00:51:40 <BlueMatt> ie one command sent to db
 146 2011-02-24 00:52:04 <altamic> BlueMatt: actually redis *do* atomic operations
 147 2011-02-24 00:52:27 <altamic> does
 148 2011-02-24 00:52:36 <BlueMatt> however, if in sql you get a row from a table, the sql can lookup in the index the location and read the whole row
 149 2011-02-24 00:52:48 <BlueMatt> however in redis, you have to do several commands to get each value of the row
 150 2011-02-24 00:52:49 <BlueMatt> ?
 151 2011-02-24 00:52:54 <altamic> row, table, column = syntactic sugar
 152 2011-02-24 00:53:16 <BlueMatt> but if its in the c of the db and its all stored together, reading is more efficient
 153 2011-02-24 00:53:24 <BlueMatt> ie c code
 154 2011-02-24 00:53:25 <phantomcircuit> so anybody have any idea what's up with that python script?
 155 2011-02-24 00:53:57 <BurtyB> problem for me with redis is it's all in memory, when you have a 207GB DB (as I do) that gets expensive
 156 2011-02-24 00:55:25 <BlueMatt> Im just asking, for a database that isnt a pure key-value store, and which you ignore the time it takes to process sql, and you dont need lists, and the other table structures which redis provides, what advantage is there to a redis-style system?
 157 2011-02-24 00:56:56 <gasteve_> I would say that the SQL db are typically (but not always) better tuned and optimized...so, while systems like red is have certain advantages, sometimes you better off with the stuff that has been heavily optimized over years or even decades
 158 2011-02-24 00:57:17 <gasteve_> *redis
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 160 2011-02-24 00:57:35 <BlueMatt> gasteve_: but what advantage is there (aside from the whole sql parsing requirement)
 161 2011-02-24 00:58:01 <BurtyB> sql+memcache can give a good middle ground imo (obv depending what you're doing)
 162 2011-02-24 00:58:17 <BlueMatt> that isnt offset by the fact that running on a key-value store for data that fits into a table easily, cannot be read nearly as fast as a table-stored db
 163 2011-02-24 00:58:47 <BlueMatt> BurtyB: I'm not taking real world, Im taking theoretical
 164 2011-02-24 00:59:00 <BlueMatt> just in terms of advantage of a pure key-value store
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 166 2011-02-24 00:59:47 <gasteve_> Well, I once modified a squeak vm to transparently persist objects in a berkeleyDB...so, the advantage is that you could just work natively in the language and your objects would automatically be persisted
 167 2011-02-24 01:00:52 <BlueMatt> so the advantage is that of not using sql, not of the fact that the use of "tableish" databse storage is removed
 168 2011-02-24 01:02:26 <gasteve_> I also think that if you have direct access to the underlying storage structures (and they are implanted natively in the language you are using), you have many more opportunities for optimizing the system as a whole
 169 2011-02-24 01:02:42 <gasteve_> *implemented
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 173 2011-02-24 01:04:01 <BlueMatt> Only if you have finely tuned access (ie if you did it yourself) or if you are using data which doesnt fit into standard "tableish" storage
 174 2011-02-24 01:04:09 <BlueMatt> so its really just good for odd data
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 176 2011-02-24 01:04:31 <gasteve_> Hers an example...when mapping tables to objects, there's a significant overhead in that mapping work...so, you often want to implement a cache of fully materialized objects to minimize that overhead...and that really renders much of the db caching useless
 177 2011-02-24 01:04:44 <altamic> BlueMatt: redis still works as a memcache
 178 2011-02-24 01:05:12 <andrew12> http://broadband.mpi-sws.org/transparency/bttest.php
 179 2011-02-24 01:06:15 <BlueMatt> ok, so its also a great cache
 180 2011-02-24 01:06:30 <gasteve_> Bluematt: it's not just for "odd" data, "normal" data is handled much more naturally as well...it's that SQL DBS are very good at odd data
 181 2011-02-24 01:06:49 <gasteve_> I meant aren't very good
 182 2011-02-24 01:07:01 <BlueMatt> I disagree
 183 2011-02-24 01:07:12 <BlueMatt> or maybe I dont understand (more likely)
 184 2011-02-24 01:07:26 <BlueMatt> Lets say you are storing blocks
 185 2011-02-24 01:07:35 <BlueMatt> They clearly are very "normal" data
 186 2011-02-24 01:07:43 <BlueMatt> there is a key (or multiple), say the hash
 187 2011-02-24 01:07:51 <BlueMatt> and from that key, there are a bunch of fields
 188 2011-02-24 01:08:04 <BlueMatt> timestamp, nonce, etc
 189 2011-02-24 01:08:14 <gasteve_> I'm not saying SQL DBs can't be made to work...clearly they can
 190 2011-02-24 01:08:15 <BlueMatt> (ignore the fact that txes is a list)
 191 2011-02-24 01:08:34 <BlueMatt> How is that more efficiently handled in a redis-style system?
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 193 2011-02-24 01:10:08 <gasteve_> Well, first, I don't know redis...so I cant speak for it specifically
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 195 2011-02-24 01:11:12 <gasteve_> But, the first thing to recognize is that to use the data, you need to convert it into objects in memory
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 197 2011-02-24 01:11:56 <gasteve_> And as I mentioned, you want to have a cache of the objects to minimize the overhead of marshaling
 198 2011-02-24 01:12:23 <gasteve_> (which renders the db cache useless and a complete waste of resources)
 199 2011-02-24 01:12:49 <BlueMatt> Can you explain that one a bit more?
 200 2011-02-24 01:13:52 <gasteve_> I need to keep a working set of objects in memory to avoid the overhead of converting table data into objects
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 204 2011-02-24 01:14:46 <BlueMatt> ok fair enough
 205 2011-02-24 01:14:57 <gasteve_> (not avoid it, but minimize it so that I don't marshall objects repeatedly and unnecessarily)
 206 2011-02-24 01:17:16 <gasteve_> With direct access to disk based storage structures (btrees, hash tables, etc), I can't just store the objects directly to disk as they are structured in memory...and build indexes on them to support the access paths my app needs...however, doing that efficiently usually requires vm support
 207 2011-02-24 01:17:51 <gasteve_> (I meant "I can just store")
 208 2011-02-24 01:18:32 <BlueMatt> Why does that need vm support?
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 212 2011-02-24 01:19:12 <gasteve_> The virtual machine (smalltalk vm, jvm, v8 vm, etc)
 213 2011-02-24 01:19:33 <BurtyB> gasteve_ I'd imagine what format your data is in, in memory for the nosql db is different to the format you end up getting it in anyway
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 215 2011-02-24 01:19:47 <BlueMatt> But how do you need vm support?
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 218 2011-02-24 01:20:34 <gasteve_> Its not required necessarily, but can make a huge difference in the performance of such DBs
 219 2011-02-24 01:21:00 <BlueMatt> say you have a table {1,2,3,4},{5,6,7,8} you just store it on disk like that then to index the first column, you just create an index {1,0},{5,4}
 220 2011-02-24 01:21:07 <BlueMatt> where does a vm come into that?
 221 2011-02-24 01:21:40 <gasteve_> That's because the vm can take the bytes as they are laid out in object memory and stick them straight to disk
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 223 2011-02-24 01:22:16 <BlueMatt> how does that require a vm, c can just copy memory to disk?
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 228 2011-02-24 01:22:53 <gasteve_> Yeah, sure...if you're using c
 229 2011-02-24 01:23:09 <BurtyB> even php can mmap :p
 230 2011-02-24 01:23:12 <BlueMatt> mysql, postresql are in c, correct?
 231 2011-02-24 01:24:33 <gasteve_> But then, if you're using c, SQL will seem like a minor inconvenience....maybe even a luxury ;)
 232 2011-02-24 01:25:11 <BlueMatt> I feel like we are way out on a tangent...
 233 2011-02-24 01:25:19 <gasteve_> Yeah
 234 2011-02-24 01:25:19 <[Tycho]> Hello, jgarzik
 235 2011-02-24 01:25:35 <BlueMatt> My question is just that the fact that the db, when it knows that it is reading a table, can just read an entire row from disk and return that
 236 2011-02-24 01:25:55 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: hello
 237 2011-02-24 01:26:11 <BlueMatt> in a db which leaves it all up to the application, has no idea what its reading and has to read each value from a key-value store, one at a time
 238 2011-02-24 01:26:25 <gasteve_> Well DBs read pages, not rows
 239 2011-02-24 01:26:37 <BlueMatt> thus, for "standard" data, it would be much more efficient to use a "standard" database
 240 2011-02-24 01:26:46 <gasteve_> Nah
 241 2011-02-24 01:26:54 <BlueMatt> Well, they read a page which contains an entire row, and can just return that
 242 2011-02-24 01:26:55 <[Tycho]> jgarzik, when assigning rewards for pool mining - how do you know which one block was not confirmed ?
 243 2011-02-24 01:27:04 <BlueMatt> whereas something which is just key-vale, has to read each value
 244 2011-02-24 01:27:12 <BlueMatt> because the value might not be in the same page
 245 2011-02-24 01:27:18 <BlueMatt> (assuming its not in the same page)
 246 2011-02-24 01:27:30 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: I cannot parse your question
 247 2011-02-24 01:27:37 <gasteve_> Yeah...but a good "nosql" db would ultimately have a similar structure on disk
 248 2011-02-24 01:27:51 <[Tycho]> jgarzik, do you have a mining pool ?
 249 2011-02-24 01:27:59 <gasteve_> (a good nosql db in good hands that is)
 250 2011-02-24 01:28:06 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: active at this moment?
 251 2011-02-24 01:28:13 <[Tycho]> jgarzik, no.
 252 2011-02-24 01:28:18 <BlueMatt> ok, so in other words, we are talking about programming your own disk structure for nosql
 253 2011-02-24 01:28:31 <gasteve_> Yes
 254 2011-02-24 01:28:44 <BlueMatt> whereas some nosql servers (including, from what I can tell, redis), dont
 255 2011-02-24 01:28:58 <BlueMatt> ok, so we are talking about different servers
 256 2011-02-24 01:29:08 <BlueMatt> hence my unwillingness to use the word nosql
 257 2011-02-24 01:29:15 <gasteve_> Not programming them, but crafting them
 258 2011-02-24 01:29:18 <BlueMatt> Its too ambiguous and really means very little
 259 2011-02-24 01:29:24 <jgarzik> like "cloud"
 260 2011-02-24 01:29:25 <BlueMatt> yea
 261 2011-02-24 01:29:31 <BurtyB> lol
 262 2011-02-24 01:29:31 <BlueMatt> exactly
 263 2011-02-24 01:29:36 * BurtyB gurrrs at the c word
 264 2011-02-24 01:29:48 <gasteve_> (you wouldnt have to code up a btree or hash table...just decide to use it)
 265 2011-02-24 01:30:10 <BlueMatt> gasteve_ true
 266 2011-02-24 01:30:14 <BlueMatt> ok, well thanks for the discussion
 267 2011-02-24 01:30:20 <BlueMatt> but I really must be off
 268 2011-02-24 01:30:32 <BlueMatt> goodbye all
 269 2011-02-24 01:30:37 <gasteve_> Yeah...tedious to discuss on irc
 270 2011-02-24 01:30:41 <BlueMatt> ...very
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 272 2011-02-24 01:31:51 <[Tycho]> jgarzik, when block is generated in your pool all 50 BTC go to single adress or are divided to all participants in the same block ?
 273 2011-02-24 01:32:20 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: it goes to a single address
 274 2011-02-24 01:32:32 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: you must write the payout script
 275 2011-02-24 01:32:56 <[Tycho]> jgarzik, yes. But how can i find out if this block was confirmed or not ?
 276 2011-02-24 01:33:36 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: all blocks mature after 120 confirmations
 277 2011-02-24 01:33:52 * luke-jr thinks [Tycho]'s idea would be nice to see in practice
 278 2011-02-24 01:34:05 <[Tycho]> It's not my idea.
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 280 2011-02-24 01:34:08 <jgarzik> luke-jr: puddinpop's pool code does that
 281 2011-02-24 01:34:15 <luke-jr> puddinpop has a pool?
 282 2011-02-24 01:34:25 <jgarzik> pool _code_
 283 2011-02-24 01:34:31 <luke-jr> is it open?
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 285 2011-02-24 01:34:37 <jgarzik> yes
 286 2011-02-24 01:34:40 <luke-jr> cool
 287 2011-02-24 01:34:43 <[Tycho]> jgarzik, ok, how i can check if this block has matured ?
 288 2011-02-24 01:34:47 <doublec> puddinpop's code is what I used when I ran a pool
 289 2011-02-24 01:35:00 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: look at your balance
 290 2011-02-24 01:35:01 <luke-jr> unfortunately, pool-type stuff doesn't benefit Tonal, so lies outside my interest in Bitcoin dev. still cool tho ☺
 291 2011-02-24 01:35:27 <doublec> luke-jr: you can see an example of a generated block from puddinpop's code here: http://blockexplorer.com/block/00000000000233334b157d901714baf59e5b9236227b2878844e52244da4195e
 292 2011-02-24 01:35:31 <[Tycho]> jgarzik, when balance increases, i don't know, which one block was matured.
 293 2011-02-24 01:35:53 <luke-jr> doublec: that's pretty neat
 294 2011-02-24 01:36:01 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: when balance increases, block-120 matured
 295 2011-02-24 01:36:07 <doublec> yeah it's a nice way of doing it. It appears as 'generated' in all the recipients clients too.
 296 2011-02-24 01:36:33 <[Tycho]> But when i generate block, i know only it's hash, but not number.
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 300 2011-02-24 01:38:13 <phantomcircuit> uh
 301 2011-02-24 01:38:35 <phantomcircuit> so an on the wire version number of 32001 means version 2001 internally?
 302 2011-02-24 01:40:04 <luke-jr> O.o
 303 2011-02-24 01:40:17 <phantomcircuit> wait
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 305 2011-02-24 01:41:59 <[Tycho]> Looking only for balance increase is way too unreliable.
 306 2011-02-24 01:43:39 <BurtyB> can you not walk the blocks back until you find that hash?
 307 2011-02-24 01:45:11 <doublec> use the monitorblocks patch to get notification when the block hits 120 confirmations? Or use getblock from that patch passing it the hash?
 308 2011-02-24 01:45:18 <jgarzik> [RFC] Add 'dumpblock' RPC command, to dump all fields in specified block
 309 2011-02-24 01:45:19 <jgarzik> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3799.0
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 311 2011-02-24 01:45:43 <[Tycho]> Oh, that looks more like it :) Thanks.
 312 2011-02-24 01:45:51 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: you can look at xlisttransactions output: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=611.0
 313 2011-02-24 01:46:26 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: that shows transactions relevant to the local wallet, including immature and mature generated blocks
 314 2011-02-24 01:46:39 <doublec> nice
 315 2011-02-24 01:46:50 <jgarzik> old news :)
 316 2011-02-24 01:47:09 <jgarzik> and not as efficient as monitorblocks, because one must poll xlisttransactions
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 334 2011-02-24 02:19:52 <midnightmagic> anyone here with access to mtgox ssl cert? can you post SHA1/MD5 hash?
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 336 2011-02-24 02:27:28 <midnightmagic> nevermind, thanks.
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 345 2011-02-24 02:51:23 <andrew12> hmm... what motherboard should I get if I want to get started on mining? I already know I'm going to be going AMD, and I want to have at least 2 PCI-E slots..
 346 2011-02-24 02:52:10 <andrew12> actually this might be what i want
 347 2011-02-24 02:52:13 <andrew12> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157226
 348 2011-02-24 02:52:36 <tcatm> for single gpu mining, yes
 349 2011-02-24 02:53:16 <andrew12> yay I found a mobo
 350 2011-02-24 02:53:19 <andrew12> =P
 351 2011-02-24 02:53:40 <tcatm> better get one that can fit two cards
 352 2011-02-24 02:53:49 <lfm> tcatm not for dual gpus?
 353 2011-02-24 02:54:19 <andrew12> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157226 - that can fit two cards, right? it's got 2 pcie slots
 354 2011-02-24 02:54:32 <andrew12> wait
 355 2011-02-24 02:54:34 <andrew12> 2 x PCI Express 2.0 x16 slots (green @ x16 mode, orange @ x4 mode)
 356 2011-02-24 02:54:53 <tcatm> yep, but the GPU in green slot can't be cooled
 357 2011-02-24 02:55:09 <andrew12> hmm
 358 2011-02-24 02:55:29 <lfm> depending on your gpu model one fan may be blocked
 359 2011-02-24 02:56:35 <andrew12> that's the cheapest one ive seen with two slots
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 361 2011-02-24 02:57:42 <andrew12> well its also the only one ive seen with two slots so far.
 362 2011-02-24 02:57:47 <hozer> what is up with bitcoincentral's price for bcLRUSD ? .. last trade is reported below bid price.. did someone come in later with a bid?
 363 2011-02-24 02:58:11 <Kiba> hozer: possibly. small market lead to unusual prices
 364 2011-02-24 02:58:30 <hozer> yeah ;)
 365 2011-02-24 02:58:36 <lfm> also possible if the market is currently closed
 366 2011-02-24 02:59:03 <andrew12> there has got to be an easier way to filter through boards with 2 pcie slots..
 367 2011-02-24 02:59:18 <andrew12> derp, list view
 368 2011-02-24 03:00:19 <tcatm> andrew12: msi 870-g45
 369 2011-02-24 03:00:43 <andrew12> that looks perfect
 370 2011-02-24 03:00:46 <lfm> andrew search on crossfire?
 371 2011-02-24 03:02:00 <andrew12> lfm: motherboards.. but tcatm found one :p
 372 2011-02-24 03:02:48 <tcatm> guess what most miners use :P
 373 2011-02-24 03:03:10 <andrew12> that one? :p
 374 2011-02-24 03:03:21 <tcatm> yep
 375 2011-02-24 03:03:30 <tcatm> (or a very similiar one)
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 377 2011-02-24 03:03:47 <andrew12> holy fuck
 378 2011-02-24 03:03:52 <andrew12> $79 for 2tb
 379 2011-02-24 03:04:15 <andrew12> then you scroll down and there's another, $89 for 500gb
 380 2011-02-24 03:04:16 <andrew12> what.
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 382 2011-02-24 03:06:35 <lfm> andrew12: 500gb are old drives, look for 1tb it should be $50 or less
 383 2011-02-24 03:06:35 <andrew12> do they even sell IDE hard drives anymore? xD
 384 2011-02-24 03:07:00 <lfm> andrew12: ide are prolly old models too
 385 2011-02-24 03:07:06 <andrew12> i know
 386 2011-02-24 03:07:09 <andrew12> i'm just curious
 387 2011-02-24 03:07:25 <lfm> they still make some ide I think
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 389 2011-02-24 03:09:18 <Blitzboom> ;;bc,stats
 390 2011-02-24 03:09:21 <gribble> Current Blocks: 110056 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 823 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 1 hour, 23 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51141.35054357
 391 2011-02-24 03:09:32 <andrew12> lfm: loest one i can find with 1 tb is $55
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 393 2011-02-24 03:10:02 <bk128> andrew12: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AnEN-UY38coAdE9BTklLUDYyWnpfOUxqdnRxWkdmbmc&hl=en&authkey=CIeTjdoD
 394 2011-02-24 03:10:19 <bk128> andrew12: I can probably sell you an old drive for 50btc shipped
 395 2011-02-24 03:10:32 <bk128> I'll see what I have at home if you can wait till the weekend
 396 2011-02-24 03:10:43 <lfm> andrew12: maybe have to wait for a sale then
 397 2011-02-24 03:10:43 <bk128> I also have a stack of extra cd drives
 398 2011-02-24 03:10:58 <lfm> bk128 but what capacity?
 399 2011-02-24 03:11:12 <andrew12> ^^
 400 2011-02-24 03:11:22 <bk128> I think I have a few 20gb+ ide drives.  40btc shipped
 401 2011-02-24 03:11:38 <bk128> plenty for a debian install for a mining rig :)
 402 2011-02-24 03:11:46 <lfm> bk128 20gb drives would only be worth 20btc
 403 2011-02-24 03:11:55 <andrew12> more like 10
 404 2011-02-24 03:12:05 <andrew12> i can get a 500 gb sata drive for <$50
 405 2011-02-24 03:12:25 <andrew12> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145299
 406 2011-02-24 03:12:26 <bk128> that's a good deal.  also check ebay
 407 2011-02-24 03:12:32 <andrew12> $39
 408 2011-02-24 03:13:01 <lfm> newegg would be a lot safer than ebay of course
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 412 2011-02-24 03:13:14 <andrew12> yep
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 416 2011-02-24 03:13:27 <JunK-Y> how come im getting: ImportError: libOpenCL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
 417 2011-02-24 03:13:36 <bk128> andrew12: google doc is the rig I just built
 418 2011-02-24 03:13:48 <andrew12> bk128: oic
 419 2011-02-24 03:14:13 <andrew12> wow
 420 2011-02-24 03:14:21 <andrew12> $13 for 1gb ram
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 424 2011-02-24 03:14:33 <JunK-Y> bk128: which miner do you use on linux?
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 426 2011-02-24 03:15:00 <andrew12> ;;webbook
 427 2011-02-24 03:15:01 <gribble> Error: "webbook" is not a valid command.
 428 2011-02-24 03:15:07 <andrew12> er
 429 2011-02-24 03:15:12 <andrew12> ;;list otcorderbook
 430 2011-02-24 03:15:13 <gribble> book, buy, refresh, remove, sell, and view
 431 2011-02-24 03:15:18 <andrew12> ;;apropos web
 432 2011-02-24 03:15:18 <gribble> Alias botweb
 433 2011-02-24 03:15:24 <andrew12> ;;apropos book
 434 2011-02-24 03:15:25 <gribble> Google phonebook and OTCOrderBook book
 435 2011-02-24 03:15:28 <andrew12> what
 436 2011-02-24 03:15:56 <andrew12> guess that only works in #bitcoin-otc
 437 2011-02-24 03:15:57 <lfm> ;;OTCOrderBook book
 438 2011-02-24 03:15:57 <gribble> (otcorderbook book <thing>) -- Get a list of open orders for <thing>.
 439 2011-02-24 03:16:07 <lfm> ;;OTCOrderBook web
 440 2011-02-24 03:16:08 <gribble> Error: The "OTCOrderBook" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "web" in it.  Try "list OTCOrderBook" to see the commands in the "OTCOrderBook" plugin.
 441 2011-02-24 03:16:29 <andrew12> lfm:
 442 2011-02-24 03:16:33 <andrew12> ;;book "radeon 5770"
 443 2011-02-24 03:16:34 <gribble> #607 Mon Feb 21 02:11:34 2011 Keefe@unaffiliated/keefe SELL 1.0 Radeon 5770 @ 122.18 BTC (Including shipping within the USA. Will ship anywhere in the world for extra cost. It generates about 34 BTC per week when overclocked to 960mhz.)
 444 2011-02-24 03:17:17 <lfm> is that better than neweeg price?
 445 2011-02-24 03:17:22 <andrew12> no idea
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 447 2011-02-24 03:17:47 <hozer> that's not too bad..
 448 2011-02-24 03:18:23 <xelister> BLAAAARGHhhh
 449 2011-02-24 03:18:42 <xelister> o.c. to 960 Hz  +  playing any video file = 100% sure crash in < 1 second
 450 2011-02-24 03:18:52 <xelister> funny how that is totally predictable =)
 451 2011-02-24 03:18:53 <andrew12> hahaha
 452 2011-02-24 03:19:10 <xelister> not playing a video file = 100% stability though. 0% chance of crash (and not switching virtual terminals)
 453 2011-02-24 03:19:14 <lfm> andrew12:
 454 2011-02-24 03:19:29 <andrew12> lfm:
 455 2011-02-24 03:19:29 <lfm> andrew12: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127476
 456 2011-02-24 03:19:30 <xelister> even on maximum o.c. allowed without reprogramming hardware on GPU
 457 2011-02-24 03:20:20 <hozer> xelister: google earth did me a good crash @975 .. seems okay @950
 458 2011-02-24 03:20:30 <Keefe> bitcoin mining doesn't use the parts of the card that can't handle such high OC
 459 2011-02-24 03:20:40 <xelister> hozer: on 5770 ?
 460 2011-02-24 03:20:44 <hozer> yep
 461 2011-02-24 03:21:12 <lfm> while also mining?
 462 2011-02-24 03:21:14 <xelister> Keefe: indeed. I think some video scalling or general scalling /video/ sharder is more of a pussy then calculaitions general shader
 463 2011-02-24 03:21:25 <Keefe> lfm: yes, my offer is about $15 less than newegg, iirc
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 465 2011-02-24 03:21:49 <hozer> ... google earth is too slow to be usable while mining ;)
 466 2011-02-24 03:21:49 <lfm> Keefe: what make 5770 is it?
 467 2011-02-24 03:22:01 <Keefe> mm, i should have said in the notes
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 469 2011-02-24 03:22:08 <Keefe> Gigabyte Super Overclock
 470 2011-02-24 03:22:45 <Keefe> http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3429
 471 2011-02-24 03:22:49 <lfm> is that with dual fans?
 472 2011-02-24 03:22:49 <xelister> hozer: how you got @975 on an 5770
 473 2011-02-24 03:22:56 <xelister> bios limit is @960
 474 2011-02-24 03:23:03 <Keefe> single fan
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 476 2011-02-24 03:23:25 <Keefe> i haven't tried unlocking the clock to exceed 960
 477 2011-02-24 03:23:35 <Keefe> but i hear it should easily go over 1000
 478 2011-02-24 03:24:00 <hozer> xelister: hrrm.. I got an MSI R5770 hawk , it seens to have been unlocked out of the box
 479 2011-02-24 03:24:14 <hozer> I get artifacts on the screen @1000, but it runs ;)
 480 2011-02-24 03:24:20 <xelister> hozer: woot
 481 2011-02-24 03:24:22 <lfm> newegg has some "open box" ones look like good deals
 482 2011-02-24 03:24:23 <xelister> hozer: loool
 483 2011-02-24 03:24:37 <andrew12> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150476
 484 2011-02-24 03:24:45 <andrew12> 5870 for 229
 485 2011-02-24 03:25:00 <lfm> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127490R
 486 2011-02-24 03:25:01 <Keefe> here's the one i'm selling: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125327
 487 2011-02-24 03:25:02 <Diablo-D3> yeah but its xfx
 488 2011-02-24 03:25:13 <andrew12> "sort by lowest price" doesn't really do that
 489 2011-02-24 03:25:14 <andrew12> :|
 490 2011-02-24 03:25:27 <Diablo-D3> yes it does
 491 2011-02-24 03:25:30 <xelister> CAPTAIN WE ARE g t ing so me inte feran e  b t  the p!a e  fl s  .. W7F a!rspeed 0 ? CA 'T SEE SH T  H LP
 492 2011-02-24 03:25:32 <andrew12> its not sorted.
 493 2011-02-24 03:25:33 <Diablo-D3> it sorts WITH rebate in tow
 494 2011-02-24 03:25:41 <Diablo-D3> it also doesnt include out of stock stuff
 495 2011-02-24 03:25:42 <andrew12> oic
 496 2011-02-24 03:25:48 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,stats
 497 2011-02-24 03:25:50 <gribble> Current Blocks: 110057 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 822 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 1 hour, 29 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51093.89547817
 498 2011-02-24 03:25:51 <hozer> but I run at 950 cause I don't like "fglrx: asic hang"
 499 2011-02-24 03:26:03 <xelister> hozer: didnt see that one yet! cool
 500 2011-02-24 03:26:22 <xelister> hozer: playing video == 100 sure crash with X backtrace in log.  Usually computer keeps working mostly apart from screen
 501 2011-02-24 03:26:59 <midnightmagic> uh... that estimate?
 502 2011-02-24 03:27:16 <midnightmagic> == semi-accurate ?
 503 2011-02-24 03:27:19 <lfm> ya?
 504 2011-02-24 03:27:30 <andrew12> ;;calc [bc,diff] % 2016
 505 2011-02-24 03:27:31 <lfm> sure,why not
 506 2011-02-24 03:27:31 <gribble> 36,459.88692508 mod 2,016 = 171.886925
 507 2011-02-24 03:27:37 <andrew12> er
 508 2011-02-24 03:27:48 <andrew12> ;;calc [bc,blocks] % 2016
 509 2011-02-24 03:27:50 <gribble> 110,057 mod 2,016 = 1,193
 510 2011-02-24 03:28:04 <andrew12> yeah i think that estimate is semi accurate.
 511 2011-02-24 03:28:26 <midnightmagic> 900+ blocks since last difficulty change.
 512 2011-02-24 03:28:28 <midnightmagic> great.
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 514 2011-02-24 03:29:23 <midnightmagic> that's kind of a big jump.
 515 2011-02-24 03:29:34 <andrew12> yeah
 516 2011-02-24 03:29:57 <midnightmagic> either art got the rest of his asic up, or someone big-ish joined.
 517 2011-02-24 03:30:17 <lfm> or a lot of less bigish joined
 518 2011-02-24 03:30:26 <hozer> I'll bet on Art
 519 2011-02-24 03:30:28 <andrew12> ;;math calc ([bc,estimate]-[bc,diff])/[bc,diff]
 520 2011-02-24 03:30:32 <gribble> 0.401372845262
 521 2011-02-24 03:30:39 <andrew12> 40% increase if i did my math right
 522 2011-02-24 03:31:08 <lfm> ;;math calc ([bc,estimate]-[bc,diff])/[bc,estimate]
 523 2011-02-24 03:31:09 <midnightmagic> that kind of jump is enough to suggest a move towards tampering.
 524 2011-02-24 03:31:10 <gribble> 0.286414030797
 525 2011-02-24 03:31:33 <andrew12> well its just an estimate.
 526 2011-02-24 03:31:39 <lfm> that kind of a jump is not unprecidented
 527 2011-02-24 03:31:59 <midnightmagic> kinda late to be working off the 1st slashdotting
 528 2011-02-24 03:32:08 <andrew12> anyways
 529 2011-02-24 03:32:09 <andrew12> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127482R
 530 2011-02-24 03:32:10 <andrew12> do want
 531 2011-02-24 03:32:34 <andrew12> anyone selling a 5[89]70? :3
 532 2011-02-24 03:32:51 <hozer> welll.. slashdotting, plus 2-5 days for buying + installing cards
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 535 2011-02-24 03:35:52 <midnightmagic> that estimate represented 365 GHash.
 536 2011-02-24 03:36:21 <midnightmagic> wtf?
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 540 2011-02-24 03:41:21 <lfm> ;;calc 51141.35054357 * 2^32/600
 541 2011-02-24 03:41:22 <gribble> (51,141.35054357 * (2^32)) / 600 = 3.66084047 * 10^(11)
 542 2011-02-24 03:41:51 <lfm> 36ghash isnt it?
 543 2011-02-24 03:42:03 <lfm> oh no your right
 544 2011-02-24 03:43:00 <midnightmagic> bc -l says: (51093.89547817*(2^32))/600=365744350173.30405321386666666666
 545 2011-02-24 03:43:19 <lfm> ;;bc,estimate
 546 2011-02-24 03:43:32 <gribble> 51051.38251970
 547 2011-02-24 03:43:45 <lfm> ok its changing as we go
 548 2011-02-24 03:43:50 <midnightmagic> huh..  interesting!
 549 2011-02-24 03:44:14 <bk128> JunK-Y: I use diablominer
 550 2011-02-24 03:44:31 <lfm> ;;calc [bc,estimate] * 2^32/600
 551 2011-02-24 03:44:32 <gribble> (51,051.38251970 * (2^32)) / 600 = 3.65440031 * 10^(11)
 552 2011-02-24 03:45:42 <midnightmagic> i worry that the rapid climb in difficulty will discourage the long tail from participating without an equivalent jump in btc exchange value.
 553 2011-02-24 03:46:19 <lfm> cant worry about everything
 554 2011-02-24 03:46:29 <midnightmagic> that's the only thing i am worried about. :)
 555 2011-02-24 03:46:43 <lfm> you got it easy then
 556 2011-02-24 03:47:05 <midnightmagic> pretty much 99% of what people whine about when they come in here is sheer ignorance.
 557 2011-02-24 03:47:10 <andrew12> the jump from .4 to parity was pretty much preparing for the difficulty increse
 558 2011-02-24 03:47:13 <midnightmagic> hopefully mine is too.
 559 2011-02-24 03:47:23 <andrew12> increase*
 560 2011-02-24 03:47:26 <andrew12> at least, i think so
 561 2011-02-24 03:47:35 <andrew12> but correlation doesn't imply causation etc
 562 2011-02-24 03:47:57 <midnightmagic> hrm.
 563 2011-02-24 03:48:42 <lfm> looks a lot like random
 564 2011-02-24 03:48:55 <midnightmagic> if the long tail goes away, hashrate will consolidate and confidence in tamper-resistance will fall.
 565 2011-02-24 03:49:14 <midnightmagic> but i suppose without an actual report of someone being over-ridden there's no evidence of it..
 566 2011-02-24 03:49:29 <midnightmagic> is there a chart somewhere which describes chain splits?
 567 2011-02-24 03:49:46 <andrew12> ;;bc,wiki block chain
 568 2011-02-24 03:49:47 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Block_chain | Jan 19, 2011 ... Every block contains a hash of the previous block. This has the effect of creating a chain of blocks from the genesis block to the current ...
 569 2011-02-24 03:49:50 <andrew12> not sure if that's what you want
 570 2011-02-24 03:50:06 <midnightmagic> i'm curious as to whether a chain split has actually occurred and when
 571 2011-02-24 03:50:12 <andrew12> yes
 572 2011-02-24 03:50:36 <andrew12> For any block on the chain, there is only one path to the genesis block. Coming from the genesis block, however, there can be forks. One-block forks are created from time to time when two blocks are created just a few seconds apart. When that happens, generating nodes build onto whichever one of the blocks they received first. Whichever block ends up being included in the next block becomes part of the main chain because that chain is longer. M
 573 2011-02-24 03:51:17 <midnightmagic> assume i know what a chain and a split is. :) discarded chains are logged somewhere? maybe in a graph?
 574 2011-02-24 03:51:32 <andrew12> midnightmagic: afaik no
 575 2011-02-24 03:51:48 <midnightmagic> then how are you confident it has happened already?
 576 2011-02-24 03:52:20 <lfm> midnightmagic small chain splits occur quit often really, you might not see them all depending where you are in the bitcoin net overall
 577 2011-02-24 03:52:25 <andrew12> midnightmagic: do you really expect the block duration to always be 10 minutes?
 578 2011-02-24 03:52:52 <midnightmagic> andrew12: of course not, difficulty is increasing.
 579 2011-02-24 03:53:01 <lfm> midnightmagic every time there is two nodes finding a block within 5 ror 10 sec or one another
 580 2011-02-24 03:53:48 <midnightmagic> lfm: right, i know that part. but chain splits are the only forensic evidence i can think of to help investigate tampering
 581 2011-02-24 03:54:30 <lfm> most likely they would not indicate tampering, just random occuance
 582 2011-02-24 03:54:38 <lfm> occurance
 583 2011-02-24 03:54:55 <andrew12> midnightmagic: it probably wouldn't be hard to make a graph of what you're describing, though
 584 2011-02-24 03:55:08 <midnightmagic> if a split is exceedingly improbable, or if a pattern of splits happens, that can be evidence.
 585 2011-02-24 03:55:14 <andrew12> just wouldn't have it for old splits
 586 2011-02-24 03:55:29 <midnightmagic> andrew12: my thoughts exactly. i just really hate duplicating work. :)
 587 2011-02-24 03:55:29 <andrew12> anyways i gotta go to bed
 588 2011-02-24 03:55:34 <andrew12> nini
 589 2011-02-24 03:55:34 <midnightmagic> night andrew. thanks.
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 591 2011-02-24 03:55:43 <lfm> I'd guess that a couple collisions would happen every week
 592 2011-02-24 03:56:11 <andrew12> i wonder if monitorblocks will spew out blocks from split chains too
 593 2011-02-24 03:56:13 <andrew12> :p
 594 2011-02-24 03:56:40 <lfm> more often if it is on nodes with larger communication delays
 595 2011-02-24 03:56:47 <mekel> hey diablo-d3 or anyone runnin linux, whats the best ubuntu version to run for the hd 6950
 596 2011-02-24 03:57:11 <mekel> im about to burn the iso's ovr at my friends house cuz my burners down
 597 2011-02-24 03:57:31 <lfm> mekel: I only ever really run 10-10 but dunno if its best
 598 2011-02-24 03:57:34 * Netsniper ducks in anticipation of the response
 599 2011-02-24 03:57:42 <andrew12> mekel: arch linux
 600 2011-02-24 03:57:48 <mekel> plz niot arch lol!
 601 2011-02-24 03:57:48 <Diablo-D3> mekel: erm, the newest one?
 602 2011-02-24 03:57:57 <Diablo-D3> ubuntu is shit
 603 2011-02-24 03:58:01 <andrew12> ^^
 604 2011-02-24 03:58:02 <mekel> what comes aftr arch
 605 2011-02-24 03:58:08 <Diablo-D3> I'd use debian sid and pull fglrx debs from exp
 606 2011-02-24 03:58:30 <mekel> im lookin for the easiest route that sounds complicated
 607 2011-02-24 03:58:47 <andrew12> mekel: uh
 608 2011-02-24 03:58:47 <Diablo-D3> there are no easy routes.
 609 2011-02-24 03:58:55 <lfm> mekel: ubuntu was pretty complicated in my experience too
 610 2011-02-24 03:58:59 <andrew12> mekel: you want it to be easy but you want it tosound complicated?
 611 2011-02-24 03:59:04 <andrew12> to sound*
 612 2011-02-24 03:59:28 <lfm> ubuntu sounds easy but often aint
 613 2011-02-24 03:59:29 <mekel> no not really
 614 2011-02-24 03:59:35 <mekel> iv installd it b4
 615 2011-02-24 03:59:41 <andrew12> mekel: what.
 616 2011-02-24 03:59:58 <mekel> no not really to that statement u made
 617 2011-02-24 04:00:02 <mekel> nvm
 618 2011-02-24 04:00:11 <mekel> ima go with 10,10
 619 2011-02-24 04:00:26 <lfm> but ati opencl on ubuntu is quite complicated in my experience
 620 2011-02-24 04:00:36 <Syke> ubuntu is dead easy to get mining on
 621 2011-02-24 04:00:56 <mekel> that sounds reassuring thanks syke
 622 2011-02-24 04:00:57 <lfm> Syke: which ubuntu release did you use?
 623 2011-02-24 04:01:33 <midnightmagic> ubuntu server minimal install rules over debian, heathen.
 624 2011-02-24 04:01:59 <Syke> 10.10
 625 2011-02-24 04:02:12 <lfm> sever? you need xorg to run ati opencl
 626 2011-02-24 04:02:29 <Syke> desktop
 627 2011-02-24 04:02:30 <midnightmagic> Xorg's on the DVD. it's one apt-get away.
 628 2011-02-24 04:02:47 <midnightmagic> server has a 12-second boot time and no gdm or xdm or whatever the hell it uses.
 629 2011-02-24 04:02:50 <lfm> might as well install desktop then
 630 2011-02-24 04:03:03 <mekel> wheres can i find an install guide for bitcoin on 10.10
 631 2011-02-24 04:03:13 <midnightmagic> .xinitrc for font control + dwm
 632 2011-02-24 04:03:18 <mekel> i dnt hav dvd's
 633 2011-02-24 04:04:05 <midnightmagic> mekel: bitcoin itself is pretty much download + run. for the opencl miners, you have to just install prerequisites and that can be a bit tough
 634 2011-02-24 04:04:18 <mekel> when usay dwm are u referrin to the OS's gui?
 635 2011-02-24 04:04:27 <mekel> oh
 636 2011-02-24 04:04:37 <mekel> do i hav to know all my hardware specs?
 637 2011-02-24 04:04:48 <lfm> dwm is the graphic login, you can use startx instead
 638 2011-02-24 04:04:52 <midnightmagic> dwm = 2000-line window manager. ultra lightweight, no menus, no icons, just one status bar the height of the font you tell it to use.
 639 2011-02-24 04:05:04 <midnightmagic> i use startx from the command-line.
 640 2011-02-24 04:05:11 <mekel> xwindows?
 641 2011-02-24 04:05:27 <Syke> easy ubuntu guide: install 10.10 desktop, install ati drivers from amd, install sdk drivers from forum.
 642 2011-02-24 04:05:33 <andrew12> mekel: build-unix.txt
 643 2011-02-24 04:05:59 <andrew12> oh nevermind
 644 2011-02-24 04:06:09 <andrew12> well
 645 2011-02-24 04:06:11 <mekel> nevermind what
 646 2011-02-24 04:06:16 <andrew12> if you want to install bitcoin, yes
 647 2011-02-24 04:06:19 <lfm> ignore build-unix.txt, use the binaries
 648 2011-02-24 04:06:24 <andrew12> or that.
 649 2011-02-24 04:06:35 <midnightmagic> mekel: are you planning on mining or just running bitcoin?
 650 2011-02-24 04:06:39 <mekel> im plannin on usin diablos miner is that the best chocie?
 651 2011-02-24 04:06:40 <Syke> then setup bitcoin -server, and DiabloMiner
 652 2011-02-24 04:06:43 <mekel> mining
 653 2011-02-24 04:06:52 <mekel> can i use diablo to mine from bitcoin.cz?
 654 2011-02-24 04:06:53 <midnightmagic> while diablo's listening, sure!
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 658 2011-02-24 04:07:04 <midnightmagic> i heard you can.
 659 2011-02-24 04:07:15 <mekel> do i just type in -o bitcoin.cz ?
 660 2011-02-24 04:07:18 <mekel> in the bash
 661 2011-02-24 04:07:28 <mekel> im not sure if u run bash's to start it im just assumin
 662 2011-02-24 04:07:28 <lfm> you may need some json package or something
 663 2011-02-24 04:07:32 <Syke> if you have a 6950, i'd mine solo
 664 2011-02-24 04:07:38 <mekel> o rly....???
 665 2011-02-24 04:07:40 <midnightmagic> i wouldn't know, i don't use diablo..
 666 2011-02-24 04:07:41 <mekel> how
 667 2011-02-24 04:07:42 <Kiba> damn
 668 2011-02-24 04:07:44 <Kiba> Nefario quited
 669 2011-02-24 04:07:48 <andrew12> "i'm minin solo"
 670 2011-02-24 04:07:51 <mekel> lmao
 671 2011-02-24 04:07:51 * Kiba suffers a setback
 672 2011-02-24 04:07:54 <bk128> midnightmagic: you can use the web install disk of debian. web install cd is under 200 megs
 673 2011-02-24 04:07:56 <mekel> hey how do i  mine solo
 674 2011-02-24 04:08:00 <Kiba> nobody wants to write for me
 675 2011-02-24 04:08:04 <bk128> probably a bit trickier than ubuntu though
 676 2011-02-24 04:08:12 <mekel> i dnt care bout size relly
 677 2011-02-24 04:08:22 <mekel> how do u mine solo
 678 2011-02-24 04:08:26 <lfm> mekel: use your own bitcoind instead of pool
 679 2011-02-24 04:08:34 <mekel> o rly
 680 2011-02-24 04:08:36 <Syke> run "bitcoin -server"
 681 2011-02-24 04:08:52 <bk128> lfm: all you need is fglrx and the ati streamsdk 2.1 driver
 682 2011-02-24 04:08:55 <mekel> install drivers + sdk then just run bitcoind?
 683 2011-02-24 04:08:55 <lfm> or that
 684 2011-02-24 04:09:00 <mekel> whats fglrx
 685 2011-02-24 04:09:10 <bk128> ati's proprietary driver for linux
 686 2011-02-24 04:09:12 <Syke> i'm thinking a 6950 might need something newer than stream 2.1
 687 2011-02-24 04:09:18 <mekel> i thot sinze its the 6950 i had to use 2.3
 688 2011-02-24 04:09:19 <lfm> fglrx is the ati x driver
 689 2011-02-24 04:09:21 <midnightmagic> mekel: ati/amd catalyst driver.
 690 2011-02-24 04:09:22 <bk128> you have to add a non-free repository and then apt-get install fglrx
 691 2011-02-24 04:09:27 <xelister> mekel:  yarly - ATI is too bussy sucking dong in Hongkong to write a correct driver for the hardware their sell
 692 2011-02-24 04:09:32 <mekel> catalyst 11.2 ui think
 693 2011-02-24 04:09:40 <mekel> so wat do i use
 694 2011-02-24 04:09:46 <midnightmagic> xelister: did you know that before you cloak, you temporarily join w/ your real IP?
 695 2011-02-24 04:10:00 <midnightmagic> xelister (~xe@ip-1-157.gemini.net.pl) <=-- that's you right?
 696 2011-02-24 04:10:01 <bk128> midnightmagic: yeah I just saw that
 697 2011-02-24 04:10:08 <bk128> probably have to not use autojoin channels
 698 2011-02-24 04:10:11 <lfm> mekel: depends which ati card you have
 699 2011-02-24 04:10:12 <xelister> midnightmagic: in recent few days or way back?
 700 2011-02-24 04:10:13 <bk128> or use i2p
 701 2011-02-24 04:10:13 <Syke> http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-11-2-x86.x86_64.run
 702 2011-02-24 04:10:19 <bk128> no, dont use that
 703 2011-02-24 04:10:21 <bk128> use fglrx
 704 2011-02-24 04:10:49 <midnightmagic> xelister: as far back as i remember.
 705 2011-02-24 04:10:57 <xelister> midnightmagic: yeah that is one my vpses
 706 2011-02-24 04:11:03 <xelister> midnightmagic: so it happens always?
 707 2011-02-24 04:11:12 <xelister> what it is with IT and Fail. all fails.  even cloaks
 708 2011-02-24 04:11:13 <mekel> why should i use fglrx ovr the real drivers
 709 2011-02-24 04:11:16 <xelister> meh ;)
 710 2011-02-24 04:11:50 <midnightmagic> i use 10-12 and it seems to be functional.. i think.
 711 2011-02-24 04:12:03 <xelister> mekel: fglrx is the real driver (the one writtien by Ati/AMD, the one that you need to have opencl, and the one that have lots of bugs, yeap)
 712 2011-02-24 04:12:03 <midnightmagic> xelister: pretty much.
 713 2011-02-24 04:12:05 <lfm> bk128 the ati-driver IS fglrx
 714 2011-02-24 04:12:14 <bk128> I thought it was different
 715 2011-02-24 04:12:20 <bk128> use the distro one
 716 2011-02-24 04:12:36 <xelister> bk128: actually both are quite ok
 717 2011-02-24 04:12:41 <xelister> both work for mining
 718 2011-02-24 04:12:44 <xelister> both have bugs
 719 2011-02-24 04:12:48 <lfm> most people use the ati-driver direct from ati instaed of any distro package
 720 2011-02-24 04:12:51 <xelister> I dont see big difference  distro vs amd's
 721 2011-02-24 04:13:01 <midnightmagic> the distro one makes me a sad panda and is behind. or was.
 722 2011-02-24 04:13:07 <lfm> distro is old versin usually
 723 2011-02-24 04:13:10 <mekel> can u use itunes to burn iso's
 724 2011-02-24 04:13:23 <midnightmagic> if you are on a mac, just use the disk manager.
 725 2011-02-24 04:13:52 <xelister> one of ati developer made me a sad panda when I was in junior school
 726 2011-02-24 04:14:00 <xelister> and then he started touching me too lol
 727 2011-02-24 04:14:29 <lfm> xelister: shut up you perv
 728 2011-02-24 04:14:31 <xelister> hm. perhaps if we all make such stories and call police in faggistan (usa) we can replace entire Ati driver stuff with competent deves?
 729 2011-02-24 04:14:40 <xelister> devels
 730 2011-02-24 04:15:40 <midnightmagic> xelister: you're kind of a venomous little person aren't you?
 731 2011-02-24 04:16:22 <midnightmagic> :)
 732 2011-02-24 04:16:27 <xelister> I was happy till ~2005, then  started using ATI All In Wonder Card.  It's a wonder how they released it to market, because it was crashing *all the time* even on windows :o
 733 2011-02-24 04:17:02 <xelister> =)
 734 2011-02-24 04:17:05 <midnightmagic> so ATI ruined your outlook, your cheerfulness, and pretty much your life, all because you refuse to stop using it?
 735 2011-02-24 04:17:20 <mekel> also
 736 2011-02-24 04:17:30 <mekel> is it gunna be a bitch gettin my usb wifi card to run?
 737 2011-02-24 04:17:33 <lfm> crashing all the time == rma
 738 2011-02-24 04:18:25 <lfm> mekel: that is one of the things that ubuntu seems to do better than most distro imo
 739 2011-02-24 04:18:36 <mekel> sweet..
 740 2011-02-24 04:18:42 <xelister> lfm: well people including ArtForz can confirm man of the bugs in Ati driver, they are well known.  Back then I didnt had such wide sample of users, but Im quite sure they had such bad drivers always ;)
 741 2011-02-24 04:19:05 <midnightmagic> i bumped into a bunch in the ADL just fixing art's fan controller to work on my systems.
 742 2011-02-24 04:19:38 <mekel> is there any programs im gunna need to install just to make sure the systems functioning right once ubuntu is running
 743 2011-02-24 04:20:08 <xelister> mekel: hm?
 744 2011-02-24 04:20:19 <mekel> likee
 745 2011-02-24 04:20:33 <lfm> it should run for civilian type things out of the box
 746 2011-02-24 04:20:34 <mekel> how do i check to see what drivers arent installed
 747 2011-02-24 04:20:50 <xelister> midnightmagic: Im cheerful when not doing software lol. Cant belive how much FAIL there is in all software (including mine probably ;)
 748 2011-02-24 04:20:53 <lfm> see if firefox runs and stuff like that
 749 2011-02-24 04:21:01 <midnightmagic> "Be safe from instability caused by fractional reserve banking and central banks." [But be completely beholden to Art's market manipulation!]
 750 2011-02-24 04:21:14 <midnightmagic> xelister: read the Tao of Programming and be at peace. :)
 751 2011-02-24 04:21:26 <xelister> mekel: run  gltron   game in ubuntu it uses 3d.  if it runs then you probaly have some driver running.
 752 2011-02-24 04:21:40 <lfm> midnightmagic bitcoin does not preclude fractional reserve banking
 753 2011-02-24 04:21:42 <mekel> alrighty
 754 2011-02-24 04:22:11 <midnightmagic> lfm: I'm just reading through #bc-news
 755 2011-02-24 04:22:12 <xelister> cant this banking exist also  with btc?
 756 2011-02-24 04:22:14 <Syke> just open the ati control panel. that'll tell you if the video driver is installed
 757 2011-02-24 04:22:36 <mekel> hm
 758 2011-02-24 04:22:37 <lfm> midnightmagic ok just dont beleive everything you read
 759 2011-02-24 04:23:13 <lfm> catalyst control panel
 760 2011-02-24 04:23:17 <mekel> ryt
 761 2011-02-24 04:23:28 <midnightmagic> lfm: i'm not One Of Those people. :) don't worry. i wouldn't have built my miners if i could think of a good reason not to.
 762 2011-02-24 04:24:20 <mekel> how do u start building mienrs
 763 2011-02-24 04:24:22 midnightmagic is now known as mmagic
 764 2011-02-24 04:24:23 <mekel> just run with ur friends or self?
 765 2011-02-24 04:24:32 <mekel> how to u like gain benefits from mining
 766 2011-02-24 04:24:35 <mmagic> i wouldn't with the current difficulty scaling up.
 767 2011-02-24 04:24:36 <mekel> do*
 768 2011-02-24 04:24:41 <mmagic> i started in december.
 769 2011-02-24 04:25:00 <mekel> has it been profitable?
 770 2011-02-24 04:25:08 <lfm> mekel:  what gpu do you have?
 771 2011-02-24 04:25:13 <mekel> 6950 hd
 772 2011-02-24 04:25:17 <mmagic> for me? i'm canadian, power is cheaper for me than it is for anybody.
 773 2011-02-24 04:25:23 <xelister> midnightmagic: also USA faggotry is sad hehe. Killing people is fine if it is "for the Oi^H country" bad 2 teenagers in love are sexual predators and should be imprisoned. World is retarded =)
 774 2011-02-24 04:25:24 <mekel> nice
 775 2011-02-24 04:25:54 <xelister> s/bad/but
 776 2011-02-24 04:25:59 <lfm> mekel: ok thats not bad, choose a gpu miner and start making money (optionally choose a pool to join)
 777 2011-02-24 04:26:09 <xelister> mmagic: how much per kWh ?
 778 2011-02-24 04:26:41 <mekel> which miner is easiest for linux
 779 2011-02-24 04:26:45 <mmagic> xelister: $0.065 CAD, minus the savings in heat recycling.
 780 2011-02-24 04:26:47 <mekel> ubunutu
 781 2011-02-24 04:27:01 <xelister> mekel: is that mining-only or desktop computer? on 6xxx cards it seems to eat all cpu on sdk2.3
 782 2011-02-24 04:27:03 <mmagic> which means my gas bill is much smaller now than it was..
 783 2011-02-24 04:27:09 <lfm> mekel: m0mchill or diablo
 784 2011-02-24 04:27:16 <mekel> just mining tbh
 785 2011-02-24 04:27:27 <lfm> mekel: maybe pudinpop even
 786 2011-02-24 04:27:27 <mekel> i hav a 9800m gts on a windows laptop for all my gaming needs etc
 787 2011-02-24 04:27:42 <mmagic> xelister: and on 5870 and 5970 too.
 788 2011-02-24 04:27:49 <mekel> for the 6950 which is eziest?
 789 2011-02-24 04:28:02 <mekel>  same answers?
 790 2011-02-24 04:28:04 <lfm> theyd all be about the same
 791 2011-02-24 04:28:09 <mekel> kk
 792 2011-02-24 04:29:04 <lfm> for m0mchil you need python and some python packages, for diablo you need java and a java package. not sure about pudinpop's
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 794 2011-02-24 04:29:35 <xelister> mekel: I like diablo's better
 795 2011-02-24 04:30:03 <xelister> mekel: I sent you a PM. If you can not respond to me in PM (you are using web irc) then tell me here
 796 2011-02-24 04:30:40 <xelister> mmagic: although normally electrical heating is the more expensive one afair, then gas/
 797 2011-02-24 04:30:57 <lfm> xelister: true
 798 2011-02-24 04:31:20 <mmagic> xelister: it is WAYYYY more expensive.
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 800 2011-02-24 04:31:39 <xelister> btw, anyone uses MSN?
 801 2011-02-24 04:31:54 <xelister> I just wanted to test if it works well, with someone that also has msn
 802 2011-02-24 04:32:01 <lfm> even with cdn low power rates, gas heat is cheaper
 803 2011-02-24 04:32:38 <mmagic> xelister: so i'm already winning, but now i'm winning more. i don't think the heat has actually come on since i started mining. (in-floor radiant heat, fired by a combo floor/hot water boiler)
 804 2011-02-24 04:32:48 <mmagic> lfm: definitely..!
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 808 2011-02-24 04:35:02 <mmagic> i'm just very glad it's still winter.. :-(
 809 2011-02-24 04:35:38 <lfm> mmagic: so how many watts are your miners pulling?
 810 2011-02-24 04:36:17 <Syke> installing java for DiabloMiner is as simple as "sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jre"
 811 2011-02-24 04:36:55 <lfm> sure easy to guess that
 812 2011-02-24 04:37:59 <xelister> mmagic: same here =)
 813 2011-02-24 04:38:27 <Syke> or you can go to the Ubuntu Software Center applet and search for java
 814 2011-02-24 04:38:31 <xelister> I guess canadians have naturally better env for bitcoin
 815 2011-02-24 04:38:57 <lfm> xelister: in the winter at least
 816 2011-02-24 04:39:12 <xelister> wait, isnt there always winter there :P
 817 2011-02-24 04:39:26 <lfm> :)
 818 2011-02-24 04:41:50 <xelister> ;;bc,stat 300000
 819 2011-02-24 04:41:52 <gribble> Error: "bc,stat" is not a valid command.
 820 2011-02-24 04:41:56 <xelister> ;;bc,stats 300000
 821 2011-02-24 04:41:58 <gribble> Current Blocks: 110065 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 814 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 0 hours, 19 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51002.88282725
 822 2011-02-24 04:42:00 <xelister> ;;bc,calc 300000
 823 2011-02-24 04:42:02 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 300000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 6 days, 0 hours, 59 minutes, and 40 seconds
 824 2011-02-24 04:42:11 <xelister> ;;bc,calc 530000
 825 2011-02-24 04:42:13 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 530000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 3 days, 10 hours, 4 minutes, and 20 seconds
 826 2011-02-24 04:42:22 <xelister> mekel: ^ likethat.  bc,calc
 827 2011-02-24 04:42:32 <xelister> holly shit 51,000 estimated next diff. fuuuuuu.
 828 2011-02-24 04:46:15 <xelister> the diff is too high
 829 2011-02-24 04:46:32 <xelister> we should petition devels to reset the mainnet too =)
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 831 2011-02-24 04:48:28 <Syke> I'm too ADD, I need a block to show up every couple days or I freak out.
 832 2011-02-24 04:49:12 <validus> thats when you just find mroe stuff to occupy yourself so your productive
 833 2011-02-24 04:49:14 <validus> thats what i do
 834 2011-02-24 04:49:33 <andrew12> find a way to procrastinate efficiently
 835 2011-02-24 04:49:44 <xelister> YT search video on Procastination
 836 2011-02-24 04:49:44 <validus> i have 8 programs open. 4 networks. and 9 tabs open
 837 2011-02-24 04:49:49 <xelister> it is actually a very good video
 838 2011-02-24 04:49:50 <validus> thats how i manage ADD
 839 2011-02-24 04:49:55 <validus> lol
 840 2011-02-24 04:50:14 <xelister> no really, just 5 minutes. there are like 3 this videos on this topic (2 by same artist, all cartoon)
 841 2011-02-24 04:50:19 <andrew12> 7 nets here
 842 2011-02-24 04:50:32 <validus> 7 too many. i have to keep up with all of em
 843 2011-02-24 04:50:37 <andrew12> 38 irssi windows
 844 2011-02-24 04:50:40 <validus> well i cant say that i used to be on 9
 845 2011-02-24 04:50:50 <validus> i only have 12 query tabs open to. im doing good
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 847 2011-02-24 04:52:21 <xelister> andrew12: wtf 38
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 849 2011-02-24 04:52:35 <andrew12> lol
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 851 2011-02-24 04:53:44 <validus> thats the way it works
 852 2011-02-24 04:54:08 <validus> i have 31 windows open in tree view counting highlights and other things i have seperate
 853 2011-02-24 04:54:52 <validus> and thats cut down :/
 854 2011-02-24 04:55:01 <xelister> btw speaking of VPN
 855 2011-02-24 04:55:25 <xelister> anyone would be interested in sponsoring some for-freedom servers, like running a TOR or Freenet server
 856 2011-02-24 04:55:34 <andrew12> anyone wanna make sure all of these are compatible for me? http://codepad.org/E5Ra5rPe
 857 2011-02-24 04:55:36 <xelister> (but not exit node thou ;)
 858 2011-02-24 04:55:47 <andrew12> xelister: you mean bitcoin nodes?
 859 2011-02-24 04:55:55 <andrew12> or just a relay?
 860 2011-02-24 04:55:59 <xelister> andrew12: no I ment tor and freenet nodes
 861 2011-02-24 04:56:09 <andrew12> define "sponsoring"
 862 2011-02-24 04:56:36 <xelister> like, have a loose change in BTC -> I will run (more) such servers for you (also you can connect to them e.g. darkfriend in freenet).  24/7 big discs and all cool
 863 2011-02-24 04:56:54 <xelister> I already run few 'for the cause' but could do more with some funds for more hw
 864 2011-02-24 04:57:05 <andrew12> not i
 865 2011-02-24 04:57:13 <validus> so give you bitcoins to run them?
 866 2011-02-24 04:57:21 <xelister> yea that could be one idea
 867 2011-02-24 04:57:26 <nanotube> there's already torservers.net that accepts bitcoins
 868 2011-02-24 04:57:28 <xelister> if you are in a mood for donations
 869 2011-02-24 04:57:38 <nanotube> they run some real beefy nodes
 870 2011-02-24 04:57:41 <validus> i have nothign against donations cept i hash at 7500 in pooled
 871 2011-02-24 04:57:46 <validus> i dont gots it
 872 2011-02-24 04:57:55 <validus> i have like .65 i think
 873 2011-02-24 04:58:21 <xelister> more unique idea is to sponsor devlopment of bitcoin-over-freenet protocol implemenation :)  </self-marketing>
 874 2011-02-24 04:58:31 <validus> i think its going to take 5 - 8 weeks for this student loan to come in
 875 2011-02-24 04:58:36 <validus> then ill have $$ for a new pc
 876 2011-02-24 04:58:49 <validus> i just havent decided what to put in it yet
 877 2011-02-24 04:59:19 <validus> but i'll have 2 grand and the 27" monitor is about 99% confirmed heh
 878 2011-02-24 04:59:20 <xelister> I belive it can be most anonymous totally untracable addition for bitcoin ever.  And totally avoids blocking.  TOR is good too, but tor /was/ few times both cracked (demasked users) and blocked (eh china. bridges are targeted too)
 879 2011-02-24 04:59:32 <validus> i like https anywhere
 880 2011-02-24 04:59:43 <validus> doesnt really need nothign special or special addresses
 881 2011-02-24 04:59:53 <mekel> bb in a litle bit
 882 2011-02-24 04:59:56 <xelister> mmm 27" sweet. whar resolutoin?
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 884 2011-02-24 04:59:57 <nanotube> xelister: what does toad_ think about your idea? have you gotten his feedback?
 885 2011-02-24 05:00:08 <xelister> nanotube: hes too bussy still to review it all
 886 2011-02-24 05:00:12 <validus> i havent got it yet. im on a 20 inch one atm
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 888 2011-02-24 05:00:23 <validus> im looking at differnet systems. the real suprise was when i compared 3 custom sites to newegg
 889 2011-02-24 05:00:35 <validus> if you took off neweggs mir and isntant savings they were almost the same
 890 2011-02-24 05:00:42 <xelister> nanotube: but I discuessed the draft a bit with him and other freener adv users, we agree this idea seems fine. full text of protocol is on the forum
 891 2011-02-24 05:00:47 <nanotube> xelister: already accepting bitcoin donations, though. :)
 892 2011-02-24 05:00:55 <nanotube> freenet is, that is.
 893 2011-02-24 05:01:05 <xelister> nanotube: yeap.  btw I was first one to got toad here ;)
 894 2011-02-24 05:01:08 <validus> i have like 2 90 gig hdds i coudl put up on an auction for bitcoins
 895 2011-02-24 05:01:14 <validus> but if i got like .10 or something id be pissed as hell
 896 2011-02-24 05:01:28 <validus> that dont even cover going to ship it lol
 897 2011-02-24 05:01:29 <xelister> and da2ce7 was first to sponsor a bounty (for the SPECYFICATION of bitcoin-over-freenet)
 898 2011-02-24 05:01:49 <da2ce7> :)
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 901 2011-02-24 05:03:47 <xelister> heh I seen a cheap 50" monitor-tv
 902 2011-02-24 05:04:03 <validus> i heard dont go over 46" for tv as monitor
 903 2011-02-24 05:04:08 <xelister> 50" !!! wow.  *masturbates*   just ~1000 usd!
 904 2011-02-24 05:04:11 <validus> and i know 4 differnet ppl that use 46" 1080p tv's as monitors
 905 2011-02-24 05:04:17 <xelister> ... it was an.... 768x560 pixels tv!!!! wt?? :D
 906 2011-02-24 05:04:31 <validus> max a tv can do is 1080p resolution.
 907 2011-02-24 05:04:35 <xelister> I think someone will fall for this idiotic model hehe
 908 2011-02-24 05:04:36 <nanotube> validus: so just put a starting price that you'll be happy with.
 909 2011-02-24 05:04:44 <xelister> 1080 p is crap.  1920x1280 for the win (or more)
 910 2011-02-24 05:04:56 <validus> LFD is fail
 911 2011-02-24 05:05:06 <validus> i think newegg had an 82 inch LFD that did 1080p max for 60 grand
 912 2011-02-24 05:05:21 <validus> was just insanely retarded
 913 2011-02-24 05:05:22 <xelister> the  'hd' is crap
 914 2011-02-24 05:05:37 <validus> 1080 is max resolution you'd need anyways
 915 2011-02-24 05:05:38 <xelister> look, this big ass TV does almost HALF of the resolution I had on CRT in 2008.
 916 2011-02-24 05:05:53 <xelister> validus: not for computer use
 917 2011-02-24 05:05:58 <validus> it still looks good. you can ttell me full blu rays look like shit
 918 2011-02-24 05:06:02 <lfm> yup, aint it great
 919 2011-02-24 05:06:11 <xelister> movies are other case.  but I have pc use in mind
 920 2011-02-24 05:06:13 <validus> if so you got one horrible ass tv
 921 2011-02-24 05:06:30 <validus> i know ppl that use the tv as a monitor and if your runing 1920 x whatever anyways. its perfectly fine
 922 2011-02-24 05:06:38 <validus> if you want to get into the 2000 range then thats different
 923 2011-02-24 05:06:38 <lfm> validus: you think 1080 is good?
 924 2011-02-24 05:06:57 <validus> i think 1080p is just fine, 1920 x 1080 (iirc - i always get the last #'s confused)
 925 2011-02-24 05:07:05 <xelister> yea I ment that  1920x1280 is neat.  x1080 less neat, and I could had like.   2000x1400 on CRT 3 YEAS AGO lol
 926 2011-02-24 05:07:15 <validus> i can only do 1600 x 900
 927 2011-02-24 05:07:35 <validus> if you read on the large format displays. most dont go over 1080p resolustion. id ont know if you can tweak that or not
 928 2011-02-24 05:07:38 <validus> but the cost difference is extreme
 929 2011-02-24 05:07:42 <nanotube> xelister: cool, good work then, on getting toad in. :)
 930 2011-02-24 05:07:57 <validus> id rather buy the tv at 1080p than the monitor at 1080p
 931 2011-02-24 05:08:14 <validus> large format displays get pricey really fast
 932 2011-02-24 05:08:23 <validus> and most say max resolution is 1920 x 1280
 933 2011-02-24 05:08:51 <validus> so id rather have a tv running full 1080p at a bigger size and save money than a monitor thatd be half the size doing more
 934 2011-02-24 05:09:35 <validus> i heard after 46" though it can get a lil wonky on the way text displays as thats the only real complaint from what i hear. might take some tweaking
 935 2011-02-24 05:09:57 <validus> but the people i know that use tv's love it. and it works for all their needs
 936 2011-02-24 05:10:05 <validus> they just play games and rip full bdr's all day
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 938 2011-02-24 05:19:43 <lfm> validus: so you think 1080 is good?
 939 2011-02-24 05:19:56 <validus> i dont think its bad
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 941 2011-02-24 05:24:22 <Diablo-D3> [11:59:57] <validus> if you read on the large format displays. most dont go over 1080p resolustion. id ont know if you can tweak that or not
 942 2011-02-24 05:24:25 <Diablo-D3> why would they?
 943 2011-02-24 05:24:28 <Diablo-D3> they're TVs.
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 946 2011-02-24 05:24:37 <Diablo-D3> HDMI maxes out at 1920x1200
 947 2011-02-24 05:24:38 <validus> cuz their sold as lfd and not tv's
 948 2011-02-24 05:24:45 <validus> and the price is jacked up
 949 2011-02-24 05:24:51 <Diablo-D3> if its HDMI or single link DVI, thats all you get.
 950 2011-02-24 05:24:56 <validus> why id buy a tv instead of a lfd
 951 2011-02-24 05:24:59 <Diablo-D3> you need displayport or dual link DVI to get bigger.
 952 2011-02-24 05:25:37 <Diablo-D3> and btw, its all about distance on what you choose
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 954 2011-02-24 05:25:47 <Diablo-D3> there are people with home theatres big enough for 150"
 955 2011-02-24 05:25:51 <Diablo-D3> you just sit back like 15 feet.
 956 2011-02-24 05:25:55 <validus> ya i know someone with 103"
 957 2011-02-24 05:25:57 <validus> just not around here
 958 2011-02-24 05:26:02 <validus> thats just nuts to me
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 960 2011-02-24 05:26:09 <Diablo-D3> its all about distance.
 961 2011-02-24 05:26:15 <Diablo-D3> you buy to what your distance is.
 962 2011-02-24 05:26:16 <validus> ya
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 964 2011-02-24 05:27:46 <Diablo-D3> now, I have a 26" monitor
 965 2011-02-24 05:28:00 <Diablo-D3> recommended THX viewing distance is 2.9 feet.
 966 2011-02-24 05:28:58 <Diablo-D3> a monitor typically sits 2-3 feet infront of someone's face
 967 2011-02-24 05:30:18 <validus> mine sits back a lil farther, but i use a recliner as a pc chair
 968 2011-02-24 05:30:45 <Diablo-D3> then... shouldnt it sit farther forwards?
 969 2011-02-24 05:31:21 <validus> nah its fine the distance i have. just small text is hard to read sometimes heh
 970 2011-02-24 05:36:19 <mmagic> lfm: re: your question of how many watts i'm pulling: more than enough to expect to hear from the safety inspector soon-ish, esp. for all the additional circuits i had to add to my panel..
 971 2011-02-24 05:38:27 <Diablo-D3> heh
 972 2011-02-24 05:38:35 <Diablo-D3> its not hard to put extra shit in
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 974 2011-02-24 05:39:56 <bk128> I added a 15A circuit for my miners
 975 2011-02-24 05:40:19 <bk128> pulled it through the existing conduit.  just rewired one outlet to be on a separate breaker
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 977 2011-02-24 05:41:58 <mekel> okay guys! im now presently installing ubuntu 10.10
 978 2011-02-24 05:42:00 <mekel> just put the disc in
 979 2011-02-24 05:42:13 <lfm> wtg
 980 2011-02-24 05:43:27 <mekel> booting ftw
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 982 2011-02-24 05:45:05 <mekel> im installing it with out an internet connection i hope thats not a big deal
 983 2011-02-24 05:45:16 <mekel> i hav to install wifi after its done installing the full os
 984 2011-02-24 05:48:00 <mekel> holy shit
 985 2011-02-24 05:48:03 <mekel> my wifi works already
 986 2011-02-24 05:48:04 <mekel> epic
 987 2011-02-24 05:48:20 <mekel> i am impressed as hell
 988 2011-02-24 05:50:22 <Diablo-D3> http://images.4chan.org/m/src/1298525753179.gif
 989 2011-02-24 05:50:23 <Diablo-D3> ffff
 990 2011-02-24 05:51:38 <mmagic> Diablo-D3: I had to add 6 new circuits. No, it's not hard, but it's fiddly when you're working with 12/2..
 991 2011-02-24 05:51:45 <Diablo-D3> heh
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 993 2011-02-24 05:56:17 <mekel> so hav any of you bought a virtual credit card with ur btc's yet?
 994 2011-02-24 05:56:37 <nanotube> mekel: bitcoin2cc?
 995 2011-02-24 05:56:47 <mekel> yeah'
 996 2011-02-24 05:57:06 <nanotube> haven't used them, but many people have, and madhatter is reputable
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 998 2011-02-24 05:57:19 <mekel> cool
 999 2011-02-24 05:57:37 <alkor> Are there any plans to switch the official configuration scripts to cmake?
1000 2011-02-24 05:57:38 <mekel> i wonder how hard it is to make moeny doin that
1001 2011-02-24 05:57:57 <alkor> I would like to add Bitcoin to Homebrew for easy installation on Apple computers.
1002 2011-02-24 05:58:32 <alkor> That would allow one to easily install Bitcoin from source by simply typing "brew install bitcoin"
1003 2011-02-24 05:59:17 <mekel> tru
1004 2011-02-24 06:01:35 <mmagic> down with cmake, switch to Jam.
1005 2011-02-24 06:01:37 <mmagic> :)
1006 2011-02-24 06:02:19 <mekel> whats cmake and jam
1007 2011-02-24 06:02:22 <nanotube> down with cmake, switch to python. lol.
1008 2011-02-24 06:02:45 <mekel> cmake is to compile code ryt>?
1009 2011-02-24 06:03:05 <nanotube> ;;wp cmake
1010 2011-02-24 06:03:05 <gribble> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMake | CMake is a unified, cross-platform, open-source build system that allows developers to build, test and package software by specifying build parameters in ...
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1012 2011-02-24 06:03:13 <nanotube> mekel: --^ :)
1013 2011-02-24 06:05:10 <alkor> cmake is a replacement for autotools
1014 2011-02-24 06:05:32 <Diablo-D3> except its shit and no one should use it
1015 2011-02-24 06:05:36 <mmagic> down with autotools! up with cmake!
1016 2011-02-24 06:05:41 <alkor> Why is it shit?
1017 2011-02-24 06:05:57 <mmagic> down with autotools AND cmake! up with diablo!
1018 2011-02-24 06:06:16 <Diablo-D3> autotools works fine
1019 2011-02-24 06:06:28 <Diablo-D3> if you dont know how to use autotools, you cant code.
1020 2011-02-24 06:06:39 <mekel> thanks grib
1021 2011-02-24 06:06:59 <mekel> are u supposed to get a lib module failure error after installing ubuntu and rebooting for the first time
1022 2011-02-24 06:07:02 <mmagic> down with people who can't be arsed to grok endless streams of incompatible m4 macros! up with real coders!
1023 2011-02-24 06:07:03 <mekel> it then skipped to the loading screen
1024 2011-02-24 06:07:35 <Diablo-D3> mmagic: dude
1025 2011-02-24 06:07:42 <Diablo-D3> unless you're _writing_ a macro
1026 2011-02-24 06:07:45 <Diablo-D3> who cares about m4
1027 2011-02-24 06:08:00 <mmagic> up with dudes, DOWN with people who care about m4!
1028 2011-02-24 06:08:10 <Diablo-D3> m4 is very simple to use.
1029 2011-02-24 06:08:22 <lfm> I like m4
1030 2011-02-24 06:08:25 <alkor> OK, but bitcoin doesn't even use autotools
1031 2011-02-24 06:08:38 <alkor> It has custom makefiles for each platform.
1032 2011-02-24 06:08:54 <lfm> you only need autotools when a simple makefile fails
1033 2011-02-24 06:09:19 <alkor> OK
1034 2011-02-24 06:10:12 <mmagic> down with ease of autotools integration, UP with the FSF agenda and toeskin-chewing hippies! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ
1035 2011-02-24 06:10:25 <mmagic> nom nom gnom nom..
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1037 2011-02-24 06:14:29 <mmagic> can't.. unsee.. can't.. unsee..
1038 2011-02-24 06:17:16 <mekel> will fglrx work for ati hd 6950's?
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1040 2011-02-24 06:18:17 <discHead> Stallman is in a class all by himself :)
1041 2011-02-24 06:18:17 <mmagic> good question. :) please let us know if it does..
1042 2011-02-24 06:19:10 <discHead> But who am I to judge... people in glass houses, and all that
1043 2011-02-24 06:20:24 <mmagic> dude, do you chew your own toenails in front of a classroom of people while someone is taping you?
1044 2011-02-24 06:20:33 <lfm> if you get a version new enuf, yes fglrx is the only ati opencl driver
1045 2011-02-24 06:21:03 <mmagic> or..  foot skin or whatever the hell it is he pulled out of his toes? :)
1046 2011-02-24 06:21:07 <mekel> word
1047 2011-02-24 06:21:51 <mekel> whats the newest version of fglrx
1048 2011-02-24 06:22:06 <lfm> 11-2 i think but that might be too new
1049 2011-02-24 06:22:07 <mmagic> it's on the AMD website in the support section..
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1051 2011-02-24 06:22:16 <mekel> o its made by amd
1052 2011-02-24 06:23:24 <mmagic> AMD bought ATI and gobbled them right up...
1053 2011-02-24 06:23:27 <discHead> Oh certainly not. In front of a bunch of people and a camera? No way.
1054 2011-02-24 06:23:58 <mekel> oo
1055 2011-02-24 06:24:07 <discHead> But who knows, maybe he discovered some peanut butter or something.
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1057 2011-02-24 06:25:32 <mmagic> discHead: But I totally agree. Glass houses indeed..
1058 2011-02-24 06:26:19 <discHead> :-)
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1060 2011-02-24 06:27:50 <lfm> mmagic: amd baught ati and they still seem to be separate
1061 2011-02-24 06:28:36 <mmagic> lfm: they seem to be a little schismed sometimes..  some thing are ATI, some things are AMD. the ATI name is still pretty strong in there for sure.
1062 2011-02-24 06:34:19 <mekel> sooo ubuntu takes forever to install 250mb worth of updates
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1066 2011-02-24 06:35:07 <soultcer> You rather install 1GB of updates on Windows 7 and wait for forever + 1?
1067 2011-02-24 06:35:19 <mmagic> simon says, silence the heretic!
1068 2011-02-24 06:37:28 <nanotube> woo topic
1069 2011-02-24 06:39:28 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plXiKor92J8 NSFW
1070 2011-02-24 06:39:35 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|err
1071 2011-02-24 06:39:47 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|where is the topic?
1072 2011-02-24 06:39:56 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|Friggin irssi!
1073 2011-02-24 06:40:08 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|There we go
1074 2011-02-24 06:41:37 <da2ce7> lol
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1076 2011-02-24 06:42:49 <mekel> what do i do with .run files
1077 2011-02-24 06:42:55 <mekel> for lke my new ati driver
1078 2011-02-24 06:42:57 <mekel> like*
1079 2011-02-24 06:43:03 <Diablo-D3> you delete them.
1080 2011-02-24 06:43:11 <mekel> how do i run it?
1081 2011-02-24 06:43:13 <Diablo-D3> do not use them if you are a noob
1082 2011-02-24 06:43:16 <Diablo-D3> I will not bail you out
1083 2011-02-24 06:43:20 <mekel> but
1084 2011-02-24 06:43:25 <mekel> i hav to install my video card driver
1085 2011-02-24 06:43:25 <lfm> mekel chmod _x *.run
1086 2011-02-24 06:43:32 <lfm> mekel chmod +x *.run
1087 2011-02-24 06:43:34 <Diablo-D3> only use drivers packaged by your distro
1088 2011-02-24 06:43:46 <mekel> i thot i was..
1089 2011-02-24 06:43:51 <mekel> what O_O
1090 2011-02-24 06:43:53 <mekel> is goin on
1091 2011-02-24 06:43:57 <mmagic> simon is appeased... http://www.hackcanada.com/canadian/zines/spacemoose/simon_says.gif
1092 2011-02-24 06:44:00 <mekel> where do i find the driver packaged by my distro
1093 2011-02-24 06:44:05 <lfm> Diablo-D3: the drivers from ati woork fine
1094 2011-02-24 06:44:06 <mekel> for the hd 6950
1095 2011-02-24 06:44:09 <Diablo-D3> lfm: not for idiots.
1096 2011-02-24 06:44:16 <Diablo-D3> lfm: install debian, grab it from exp.
1097 2011-02-24 06:44:32 <mekel> u want me to install debian?
1098 2011-02-24 06:44:35 <mekel> i just installed ubuntu
1099 2011-02-24 06:44:43 <lfm> right, and if the idiot is already installed ubuntu?
1100 2011-02-24 06:44:49 <mekel> u guys told me too..
1101 2011-02-24 06:44:55 <Diablo-D3> then dont own a 6950.
1102 2011-02-24 06:45:09 <lfm> great advice
1103 2011-02-24 06:45:11 <mekel> *sigh*
1104 2011-02-24 06:45:25 <Diablo-D3> ubuntu is shit, dont use it.
1105 2011-02-24 06:45:40 <mekel> im usin it lol
1106 2011-02-24 06:45:41 <mmagic> mekel: you chmod 0755, then ./*.run
1107 2011-02-24 06:45:51 <mekel> ok. . ..
1108 2011-02-24 06:45:52 <Diablo-D3> mmagic: and you're an idiot
1109 2011-02-24 06:45:53 <mmagic> ignore Diablo, he's mildly hydrocephalic
1110 2011-02-24 06:45:55 <Diablo-D3> you dont have to chmod it.
1111 2011-02-24 06:46:16 <Diablo-D3> sudo bash ./file.run
1112 2011-02-24 06:46:18 <mmagic> no, you could also bash *.run or sh *.run, but what's the point?
1113 2011-02-24 06:46:38 <mekel> replace file with the name of it?
1114 2011-02-24 06:46:41 <Diablo-D3> mekel: anyhow, ubuntu will happily break your system some time after installing those.
1115 2011-02-24 06:46:49 <Diablo-D3> do not use amd's installers.
1116 2011-02-24 06:47:04 <Diablo-D3> and isnt 11.2 already in ubuntu's unstable branch?
1117 2011-02-24 06:47:04 <mmagic> i'm using it fine and I've upgraded system-wide twice.
1118 2011-02-24 06:47:08 <lfm> easier to just avoid debian
1119 2011-02-24 06:47:25 <mmagic> i can't get off the crack known as apt-get..
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1121 2011-02-24 06:47:36 <mekel> so
1122 2011-02-24 06:47:37 <Diablo-D3> lfm: stfu.
1123 2011-02-24 06:47:44 <Diablo-D3> Ive used linux longer than any of you.
1124 2011-02-24 06:47:49 <Diablo-D3> Debian is fine.
1125 2011-02-24 06:47:52 <lfm> oh?
1126 2011-02-24 06:48:04 <mmagic> lol. have you now.
1127 2011-02-24 06:48:16 <mmagic> date yourself with provable evidence.
1128 2011-02-24 06:48:27 <validus> id use debian before ubuntu
1129 2011-02-24 06:48:28 <mmagic> else, simon says Silence the Heretic!
1130 2011-02-24 06:48:34 <Diablo-D3> mmagic: Ive been using debian since slink.
1131 2011-02-24 06:48:48 <lfm> I was running linux before debian was drempt of
1132 2011-02-24 06:48:55 <validus> in fact debian on my 80 gig hdd i have sitting next to my pc lol
1133 2011-02-24 06:48:57 <mmagic> I've been using Linux since before it was available on 32 floppies.
1134 2011-02-24 06:48:57 <Diablo-D3> lfm: I doubt it
1135 2011-02-24 06:49:00 <validus> and salix and slack
1136 2011-02-24 06:49:09 <Diablo-D3> that'd have to be either slack or yggdrasil
1137 2011-02-24 06:49:14 <lfm> Ever heard of SLS Linux?
1138 2011-02-24 06:49:16 <mekel> so i do this? sudo bash ./ati-driver-installer-11-2.run
1139 2011-02-24 06:49:21 <validus> never tried haiku
1140 2011-02-24 06:49:29 <Diablo-D3> mekel: nope, I just told you dont use it.
1141 2011-02-24 06:49:31 <validus> your best bet is not using ati's driver install
1142 2011-02-24 06:49:34 <lfm> debian was a spin off from SLS
1143 2011-02-24 06:49:35 <validus> you will have major problems
1144 2011-02-24 06:49:36 <discHead> Ahh, good ol' Slackware
1145 2011-02-24 06:49:43 <validus> fglrx
1146 2011-02-24 06:49:45 <Diablo-D3> lfm: no, a replacement.
1147 2011-02-24 06:50:01 <lfm> version 1 of debian was mostly SLS
1148 2011-02-24 06:50:11 <mekel> where do i get fglrx i cant find it
1149 2011-02-24 06:50:24 <Diablo-D3> mekel: FROM YOUR DISTRO
1150 2011-02-24 06:50:30 <mekel> what does that mean
1151 2011-02-24 06:50:31 <validus> if your in ubunti it should auto install it or ask you to install restricted drivers
1152 2011-02-24 06:50:32 <Diablo-D3> CHECK IF UBUNTU HAS SOMETHING MORE RECENT FROM THEIR UNSTABLE BRANCH
1153 2011-02-24 06:50:34 <Diablo-D3> PAY
1154 2011-02-24 06:50:36 <Diablo-D3> ATTENTION
1155 2011-02-24 06:50:37 <mekel> oh relly
1156 2011-02-24 06:50:39 <Diablo-D3> goddamned fucking noobs.
1157 2011-02-24 06:50:40 <mmagic> mekel: that will do it. chmod 0755 *.run, sudo ./*.run will also work.
1158 2011-02-24 06:50:41 <validus> your going to need google hardcore
1159 2011-02-24 06:50:51 <validus> mmagic: your gonna cause his shit to crash installing that
1160 2011-02-24 06:50:59 <validus> i made the mistake of installing that he first time. never again
1161 2011-02-24 06:50:59 <mekel> thanks for ur help diablo but ur ragin
1162 2011-02-24 06:51:03 <mmagic> it's a brand-new system. if it doesn't work, he reinstalls, it's not a big deal.
1163 2011-02-24 06:51:09 <lfm> I think he has you on ignore
1164 2011-02-24 06:51:18 <mekel> good
1165 2011-02-24 06:51:30 <validus> mint and ubuntu both should read a restricted driver and ask you to install it. thats fglrx
1166 2011-02-24 06:51:33 <mmagic> validus: I've installed it on about 15 systems now, of various types from ubuntu 9.x through 10.10. it's worked every time for me.
1167 2011-02-24 06:51:58 <mekel> wat do u mean mint should read a restricted driver
1168 2011-02-24 06:52:00 <validus> then id hit up the ubuntu forums and google to figure the rest out. learn console you will need it
1169 2011-02-24 06:52:15 <validus> when you install mint itll ask if you want to install a restricted driver. i.e. your videocard
1170 2011-02-24 06:52:22 <mekel> mint?
1171 2011-02-24 06:52:32 <validus> mint is based off debian and ubuntu just lightly differnet and really green
1172 2011-02-24 06:52:36 <validus> slightly*
1173 2011-02-24 06:52:40 <mekel> u want me to install a diff os?
1174 2011-02-24 06:52:43 <validus> no
1175 2011-02-24 06:52:46 <validus> they both install the same driver
1176 2011-02-24 06:52:54 <mekel> oo
1177 2011-02-24 06:52:58 <mekel> i see
1178 2011-02-24 06:52:59 <validus> goto your menu and start looking it should have a selection for it
1179 2011-02-24 06:53:06 <mmagic> mekel: dude. it's a fresh system, don't worry about it. give the .run a shot and see if it works for you.
1180 2011-02-24 06:53:17 <mekel> no thx man
1181 2011-02-24 06:55:48 <mekel> found the drivr
1182 2011-02-24 06:57:17 <mmagic> I remember installing NetBSD 0.9 on my Amiga 3000 when it was released in 1993 or so.. I miss the simple-to-modify source days.
1183 2011-02-24 06:58:16 <mekel> is that bak in the day with punch card binary lol
1184 2011-02-24 06:59:12 <mmagic> close
1185 2011-02-24 07:00:16 <lfm> Ah I have fond memories of PL/1 on punch cards
1186 2011-02-24 07:00:44 <mmagic> there..  even crustier than I..
1187 2011-02-24 07:00:51 <mekel> so i just installed the fglrx drivr.. do i need to reboot b4 installing the ati sdk v2.3?
1188 2011-02-24 07:01:36 <lfm> just restart X if you prefer
1189 2011-02-24 07:01:58 <mmagic> and probably crustier than diablo, whose own measure of awesomeness is apparently just age. lfm, I knew you were a tad too mellow. :)
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1191 2011-02-24 07:02:21 <lfm> too mellow? hehe
1192 2011-02-24 07:02:23 <discHead> PL/1 on punch cards?  lfm, now you're REALLY showing your age :)
1193 2011-02-24 07:02:23 <mekel> how do i do that
1194 2011-02-24 07:02:34 <Diablo-D3> mekel: you dont install the sdk.
1195 2011-02-24 07:02:36 <Diablo-D3> you just unpack it
1196 2011-02-24 07:02:39 <Diablo-D3> and yes, you need to reboot
1197 2011-02-24 07:02:45 <mekel> kk
1198 2011-02-24 07:02:52 Tril has left ()
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1200 2011-02-24 07:03:08 <lfm> and pdp-8 and pdp-11 assembler on punched paper tape
1201 2011-02-24 07:03:45 <discHead> Awesome
1202 2011-02-24 07:05:13 <mmagic> old school..  haha, my 1992 posts are still there in google groups.
1203 2011-02-24 07:06:03 <discHead> I know... mmagic... thus ensuring none of us will ever be able to run for public office
1204 2011-02-24 07:06:27 <mmagic> i think i could, I was pretty polite when i was a kid.
1205 2011-02-24 07:06:43 <discHead> Oh, I was polite too. I was just nuts. :-)
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1207 2011-02-24 07:07:47 <Tril> bitcoin -rpcconnect does not let me use the GUI with the remote bitcoind, does it?
1208 2011-02-24 07:07:57 <mmagic> oh.. no.. alt.abortion.inequity. aaand I'm disqualified. :)
1209 2011-02-24 07:08:08 <discHead> Doh!
1210 2011-02-24 07:08:18 <nanotube> Tril: bitcoin -server
1211 2011-02-24 07:08:50 <discHead> mmagic-- ever used an acoustic coupler?
1212 2011-02-24 07:09:00 Syke has joined
1213 2011-02-24 07:09:17 <mmagic> discHead: no, just a vicmodem I had to dial with a handset, and then click over once the tones started.
1214 2011-02-24 07:09:22 <Tril> nanotube: I ran a server.. I'm asking if I can control it remotely with a GUI, or only with CLI.
1215 2011-02-24 07:09:36 <mmagic> 300 baud. I remember the transition between "I can type faster than that," to "Damn I can't read that fast anymore.."
1216 2011-02-24 07:09:37 bitcoiner has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.13/20101203075014])
1217 2011-02-24 07:09:59 <nanotube> Tril: ah no i don't think so.
1218 2011-02-24 07:10:02 <lfm> 110 baud asr33 teletypes?
1219 2011-02-24 07:10:19 <Tril> if I don't put a command on the command line, it just brings up my local wallet in the GUI.
1220 2011-02-24 07:10:24 <Tril> so I assume you're right..
1221 2011-02-24 07:10:26 <discHead> See, now, THAT'S old school :-)  I think I'm right in between you guys
1222 2011-02-24 07:10:43 <mmagic> i used to call 1-800-555-1212 and manually ask for the names of technology-sounding companies, and then call them up individually and ask them for data lines..
1223 2011-02-24 07:10:59 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: hello
1224 2011-02-24 07:11:03 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: I got a problem
1225 2011-02-24 07:11:23 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: it seem that I ordered 3 VPS instead of 1
1226 2011-02-24 07:11:26 <mmagic> awesome
1227 2011-02-24 07:11:38 <discHead> ASR33... sigh. Lost days of youth.
1228 2011-02-24 07:11:51 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: now I owe 408.61 BTC instead of 136.20 BTC
1229 2011-02-24 07:12:13 <mmagic> ah! hah! alt.shut.the.hell.up.geek..!
1230 2011-02-24 07:12:44 <Kiba> hmm
1231 2011-02-24 07:13:03 <mmagic> ah, cleveland freenet.. i couldn't send you a licence because i didn't even have one then..
1232 2011-02-24 07:14:32 <mekel> so i updated ubuntu and rebooted and it goes to the loading screen, and now its just sittin at a black screen for a good minute now
1233 2011-02-24 07:15:05 <lfm> ok you got a problem with the fglrx driver I suspect
1234 2011-02-24 07:15:09 <Tril> ubuntu is slow..is your disk working?
1235 2011-02-24 07:15:13 <mekel> no
1236 2011-02-24 07:15:31 <mmagic> mekel: did you install the packages fglrx or the .run one?
1237 2011-02-24 07:15:41 <mekel> fglrx
1238 2011-02-24 07:15:58 <mmagic> mekel: sorry bro, can't help you now. good luck though.
1239 2011-02-24 07:16:00 <Tril> i would reboot to single user mode and see if you can get a prompt
1240 2011-02-24 07:16:07 <lfm> the .run on e IS ALSO fglrx
1241 2011-02-24 07:16:08 kevin`` is now known as greyface
1242 2011-02-24 07:16:15 <Tril> then un-do whatever broke it :)
1243 2011-02-24 07:16:21 <mekel> i hav no screen
1244 2011-02-24 07:16:49 <lfm> reset and boot in safe mode
1245 2011-02-24 07:16:54 <mmagic> lfm: the system packages have never worked for me, not even once. and so I literally have no experience with them except that they fail for my machines.
1246 2011-02-24 07:17:07 <mekel> booting into recovery
1247 2011-02-24 07:17:22 <mekel> im at recovery menu
1248 2011-02-24 07:17:31 <lfm> mmagic: he installed the .run version of fglrx offa the ati site
1249 2011-02-24 07:17:41 <mekel> no
1250 2011-02-24 07:17:45 <mekel> i just did a scan
1251 2011-02-24 07:17:48 <mekel> on ubuntu
1252 2011-02-24 07:17:49 <mekel> driver scan
1253 2011-02-24 07:17:52 <mekel> and it came up
1254 2011-02-24 07:17:56 <mekel> and installd that
1255 2011-02-24 07:18:15 <mmagic> lfm: i think he did a system install. Diablo or someone scared him out of using the .run.
1256 2011-02-24 07:18:26 <mekel> i didnt use the .run
1257 2011-02-24 07:18:54 <mmagic> mekel: that's cool man, i understood you.
1258 2011-02-24 07:19:13 <mekel> ok
1259 2011-02-24 07:19:17 <mekel> well im in failsafe graphic mode
1260 2011-02-24 07:19:25 <Syke> the system package is probably too old for a 6950 card
1261 2011-02-24 07:19:28 <mekel> should i remove the fglrx and try the .run?
1262 2011-02-24 07:20:01 <mmagic> bedtime. g'night mekel, godspeed, new miner! get in there quick before difficulty scales up again!
1263 2011-02-24 07:20:10 <mekel> thx magic
1264 2011-02-24 07:20:12 <mmagic> got 3 days..
1265 2011-02-24 07:20:14 <lfm> try a different version of the .run perhaps
1266 2011-02-24 07:20:15 <mmagic> ;;bc,stats
1267 2011-02-24 07:20:17 <gribble> Current Blocks: 110086 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 793 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 20 hours, 31 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 50958.70719726
1268 2011-02-24 07:20:22 <mekel> 3 dayss?
1269 2011-02-24 07:20:31 <mekel> lfm
1270 2011-02-24 07:20:34 <mekel> i nevver ran the .run
1271 2011-02-24 07:20:41 <lfm> oh ok
1272 2011-02-24 07:20:51 <mekel> i did a driver scan from ubuntu and it discovered a driver
1273 2011-02-24 07:21:00 <mekel> but i guess its to old according to sykes
1274 2011-02-24 07:21:18 <Syke> that's my guess. i always use the .run
1275 2011-02-24 07:21:20 <mekel> if i want to try the .run do i hav to uninstall the old driver?
1276 2011-02-24 07:21:41 <Syke> deactivate/uninstall the old driver
1277 2011-02-24 07:21:48 <lfm> probably should uninstall fglrx pkg ya
1278 2011-02-24 07:21:55 <mekel> kk
1279 2011-02-24 07:22:00 <mmagic> 3 days, 20 hours, and then your 6950 will need..  let's see.. 9 days to generate 1 block. :-(
1280 2011-02-24 07:22:51 <mekel> o rly?
1281 2011-02-24 07:22:55 <mekel> why is that happenin
1282 2011-02-24 07:23:11 <mekel> well hopefully the price of btc's goes up
1283 2011-02-24 07:24:44 <mekel> so to run the .run file i type in: sudo bash ./nameoffile.run ?
1284 2011-02-24 07:24:57 <Tril> that sounds reasonable
1285 2011-02-24 07:25:00 <mmagic> a whole bunch of people--or just a couple of people--have added massively to the bitcoin processing power.
1286 2011-02-24 07:25:12 <Tril> sudo ./filename.run   should suffice
1287 2011-02-24 07:25:17 <mekel> hmm
1288 2011-02-24 07:25:20 <mekel> ok
1289 2011-02-24 07:25:25 <mekel> no other arguments?
1290 2011-02-24 07:25:45 <bk128> anyone know how many mhash/sec the 69xx cards are getting?  I can add it to the wiki
1291 2011-02-24 07:25:47 <lfm> it will ask you some quesitons
1292 2011-02-24 07:25:52 <mmagic> if it is just one or two people, then be afraid..
1293 2011-02-24 07:26:16 <mmagic> bk128: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?action=printpage;topic=1334.0 ?
1294 2011-02-24 07:26:30 <Syke> Last I checked I got 320 mhps on my 6970
1295 2011-02-24 07:26:49 <bk128> with what miner?
1296 2011-02-24 07:26:55 <Syke> DiabloMiner
1297 2011-02-24 07:27:28 <bk128> OC?
1298 2011-02-24 07:27:44 <Syke> technically yes, but OC didn't change the mhps rate at all :(
1299 2011-02-24 07:28:01 <mmagic> how did you oc?
1300 2011-02-24 07:28:10 <bk128> did you benchmark running local bitcoin?
1301 2011-02-24 07:28:18 <bk128> and let it run for 10 mins and take the right number
1302 2011-02-24 07:28:26 <bk128> that's forever avg khash/sec
1303 2011-02-24 07:28:29 <Syke> it's run for 24+ hrs
1304 2011-02-24 07:28:43 <bk128> what OS?
1305 2011-02-24 07:28:45 <mmagic> Syke: what did you do to oc?
1306 2011-02-24 07:28:52 <Syke> something like aticonfig --odsc=950,1400
1307 2011-02-24 07:29:00 <Syke> ubuntu 10.10/64bit
1308 2011-02-24 07:29:04 <mekel> im getting no such file directory on the sudo bash ./file.run
1309 2011-02-24 07:29:04 <bk128> ok
1310 2011-02-24 07:29:13 <mmagic> did you check it afterwards with aticonfig --odgc ?
1311 2011-02-24 07:29:18 <Syke> file permissions probably not set on the .run
1312 2011-02-24 07:29:20 <Syke> yes
1313 2011-02-24 07:29:31 <mmagic> weird.
1314 2011-02-24 07:29:43 <Syke> "sudo chmod a+x file.run" to make it executable
1315 2011-02-24 07:29:45 <lfm> chmod +x *.run
1316 2011-02-24 07:29:51 <lfm> or that
1317 2011-02-24 07:30:52 <mekel> no such directory
1318 2011-02-24 07:31:12 <mmagic> ls -liad *.run
1319 2011-02-24 07:31:51 <mmagic> lol where did you put it man?
1320 2011-02-24 07:32:44 <mekel> tht cmd spit up a bunch of weird stuff
1321 2011-02-24 07:33:38 <mekel> o
1322 2011-02-24 07:33:44 <mekel> case sensitive file directories
1323 2011-02-24 07:34:13 <mekel> k
1324 2011-02-24 07:34:13 <mekel> its uncrompessing
1325 2011-02-24 07:34:32 <Syke> just accept all the defaults
1326 2011-02-24 07:34:40 <lfm> wtg
1327 2011-02-24 07:34:42 <mekel> kk
1328 2011-02-24 07:34:43 <Syke> after it's done do:
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1330 2011-02-24 07:34:52 <Syke> sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf
1331 2011-02-24 07:34:59 <Syke> sudo aticonfig --initial
1332 2011-02-24 07:35:03 <Syke> then reboot
1333 2011-02-24 07:35:07 <mekel> kk
1334 2011-02-24 07:36:30 <mekel> rebooting
1335 2011-02-24 07:37:59 <mekel> woot screen workin this time
1336 2011-02-24 07:38:46 <lfm> now get bitcoin working
1337 2011-02-24 07:38:48 <Syke> now what sdk goes well with a 6xxx? 2.2?
1338 2011-02-24 07:39:05 <mekel> i hav to install
1339 2011-02-24 07:39:12 <mekel> k now i need to install the sdk
1340 2011-02-24 07:39:15 <mekel> 2,3
1341 2011-02-24 07:39:20 <mekel> im pretty sure
1342 2011-02-24 07:39:25 <Syke> download and install:
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1344 2011-02-24 07:39:28 <Syke> http://orwell.fiit.stuba.sk/~nou/ati-opencl-runtime_2.3_amd64.deb
1345 2011-02-24 07:39:29 <lfm> for me 2.1 works best but for your ati card you may need a newer one
1346 2011-02-24 07:39:35 <Syke> http://orwell.fiit.stuba.sk/~nou/ati-opencl-dev_2.3.deb
1347 2011-02-24 07:39:46 <Syke> if you have 64-bit of course
1348 2011-02-24 07:39:56 <mekel> i hav 32
1349 2011-02-24 07:40:14 <Syke> there's probably a http://orwell.fiit.stuba.sk/~nou/ati-opencl-runtime_2.3_i386.deb
1350 2011-02-24 07:40:44 <mekel> is that link for my card?
1351 2011-02-24 07:40:55 <lfm> i think its just called x86
1352 2011-02-24 07:41:22 <mekel> is the ati stream sdk bad?
1353 2011-02-24 07:41:39 <lfm> what version is it?
1354 2011-02-24 07:41:40 <Syke> the ati stream sdk is just more of a manual install
1355 2011-02-24 07:41:53 <Syke> those .deb packages are easier
1356 2011-02-24 07:42:01 <mekel> oo
1357 2011-02-24 07:42:07 <mekel> 2.3
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1359 2011-02-24 07:44:07 <Syke> you should get bitcoin downloading blocks. download the linux version from http://www.bitcoin.org/
1360 2011-02-24 07:44:19 <mekel> good point
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1362 2011-02-24 07:47:22 <Syke> to gpu-min, you need to run "bitcoin -server"
1363 2011-02-24 07:47:27 <Syke> gpu-mine
1364 2011-02-24 07:47:55 <mekel> thats it?
1365 2011-02-24 07:48:04 <mekel> i dnt hav to download any python miners?
1366 2011-02-24 07:48:12 <Syke> you also need to set your username/password
1367 2011-02-24 07:48:19 <Syke> no, stick with DiabloMiner
1368 2011-02-24 07:48:25 <Syke> just needs java
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1370 2011-02-24 07:48:37 <Syke> sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jre
1371 2011-02-24 07:49:02 <mekel> alredy got that
1372 2011-02-24 07:49:15 <mekel> what do u mean stik with diablo
1373 2011-02-24 07:49:16 sgornick has joined
1374 2011-02-24 07:49:21 <Syke> then just download and unzip http://adterrasperaspera.com/images/DiabloMiner.zip
1375 2011-02-24 07:49:21 <mekel> i havnt downloaded any miners yet
1376 2011-02-24 07:49:27 <mekel> ok
1377 2011-02-24 07:49:36 <mekel> make up username and pw?
1378 2011-02-24 07:50:14 <Syke> you need to add it to your bitcoin.conf file, and then tell DiabloMiner what it is
1379 2011-02-24 07:50:30 <mekel> where do i put the conf file
1380 2011-02-24 07:51:01 <Syke> in .bitcoin/bitcoin.conf
1381 2011-02-24 07:51:22 <Syke> if you already have bitcoin running you can just do something like:
1382 2011-02-24 07:51:29 <Syke> echo "rpcuser=un" > .bitcoin/bitcoin.conf
1383 2011-02-24 07:51:34 <Syke> echo "rpcpassword=pw" >> .bitcoin/bitcoin.conf
1384 2011-02-24 07:51:43 <Syke> while in your home directory
1385 2011-02-24 07:51:49 <mekel> ok cool
1386 2011-02-24 07:52:19 <lfm> in ~/.bitcoin/bitcoin.conf
1387 2011-02-24 07:52:51 <mekel> how do i open a terminal in my current directory, any way?
1388 2011-02-24 07:53:27 <lfm> just open the term and cd to it
1389 2011-02-24 07:53:39 <Syke> just "cd" takes you to your home directory
1390 2011-02-24 07:53:44 <devrandom> you can drag a file onto the terminal window and it will paste the path
1391 2011-02-24 07:54:44 <mekel> ok
1392 2011-02-24 07:54:49 <mekel> how do i run bitcoin from terminal
1393 2011-02-24 07:54:52 <mekel> im in the bitcoin directory
1394 2011-02-24 07:55:08 <Syke> ./bin/32/bitcoin -server&
1395 2011-02-24 07:55:14 <lfm> bin/bitcoin perhaps?
1396 2011-02-24 07:55:32 <lfm> bin/32/bitcoin perhaps?
1397 2011-02-24 07:56:35 <mekel> when i type in bitcoin -server& it brings up [1] 3618
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1399 2011-02-24 07:56:43 <Syke> it's running
1400 2011-02-24 07:56:47 <Syke> startup is sorta slow
1401 2011-02-24 07:56:52 <mekel> oo
1402 2011-02-24 07:57:15 <lfm> ya the & makes it run detached in background
1403 2011-02-24 07:58:00 <mekel> i dnt see it in processes
1404 2011-02-24 07:58:33 <lfm> ps ax
1405 2011-02-24 07:58:37 <mekel> nothigns happening
1406 2011-02-24 07:59:05 <lfm> ps ax | grep bitcoin
1407 2011-02-24 07:59:39 <mekel> thats that do
1408 2011-02-24 07:59:51 <lfm> tell ya if its still running
1409 2011-02-24 08:00:21 <lfm> or try top
1410 2011-02-24 08:00:30 <mekel> it brought up a path file
1411 2011-02-24 08:00:36 <mekel> with bitcoin highlighted in red
1412 2011-02-24 08:00:53 <lfm> huh? whatd it say?
1413 2011-02-24 08:01:18 <mekel> whats the name of the bitcoin process
1414 2011-02-24 08:01:24 <mekel> plugin -container is running
1415 2011-02-24 08:01:31 <lfm> bitcoin
1416 2011-02-24 08:01:34 <mekel> o
1417 2011-02-24 08:01:40 <mekel> how do isee wat blocks its on
1418 2011-02-24 08:01:57 <lfm> it should have opened a window
1419 2011-02-24 08:02:23 <lfm> what command did you use?
1420 2011-02-24 08:03:21 <mekel> bitcoin -server
1421 2011-02-24 08:03:37 <mekel> how do i kill it from the cmd line
1422 2011-02-24 08:03:41 <lfm> and no bitcoin window?
1423 2011-02-24 08:03:45 <mekel> nope..
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1425 2011-02-24 08:04:05 <Syke> if it's running, it should be downloading blocks and your hard drive should be flashing
1426 2011-02-24 08:04:06 <lfm> you sure its still running?
1427 2011-02-24 08:04:50 <lfm> Syke: doesnt it open its window first? it reports the current block in the window then
1428 2011-02-24 08:05:11 <Syke> yeah it shoudl
1429 2011-02-24 08:07:53 <lfm> mekel: can you tell if its running?
1430 2011-02-24 08:08:32 <mekel> yea its running
1431 2011-02-24 08:08:35 <mekel> its in my process list
1432 2011-02-24 08:08:44 <mekel> i cant see it
1433 2011-02-24 08:08:45 <mekel> tho
1434 2011-02-24 08:08:55 <lfm> but no window up? thats odd
1435 2011-02-24 08:09:03 <mekel> how do i kill it so i can reopen it
1436 2011-02-24 08:09:10 <mekel> and where do i put the user name and password again
1437 2011-02-24 08:09:17 <lfm> killall bitcoin
1438 2011-02-24 08:09:35 <mekel> no process found
1439 2011-02-24 08:09:48 <lfm> in file ~/.bitcoin/bitcoin.conf
1440 2011-02-24 08:10:01 <lfm> ok its not running
1441 2011-02-24 08:10:03 <mekel> i dnt understand that lfm
1442 2011-02-24 08:10:10 <mekel> its not but plugin container is running
1443 2011-02-24 08:10:12 <mekel> and its owning my cpu
1444 2011-02-24 08:10:32 <lfm> what plugin container?
1445 2011-02-24 08:10:37 <mekel> i dont know
1446 2011-02-24 08:10:41 <mekel> i type top
1447 2011-02-24 08:10:43 <mekel> and its top of the list
1448 2011-02-24 08:10:54 <lfm> is it 99-100% cpu?
1449 2011-02-24 08:11:05 <mekel> oooo
1450 2011-02-24 08:11:08 <mekel> its lik system idle
1451 2011-02-24 08:11:09 <mekel> in windows?
1452 2011-02-24 08:11:30 <mekel> yeah
1453 2011-02-24 08:11:45 <lfm> ok what process is top of the list?
1454 2011-02-24 08:11:46 <mekel> can u explain where to put the username and pw better
1455 2011-02-24 08:12:12 <mekel> is it in the root directory?
1456 2011-02-24 08:12:12 <lfm> do you knwo any text editors? vi or emacs or pico?
1457 2011-02-24 08:12:22 <mekel> no
1458 2011-02-24 08:12:23 <Syke> ~ means /home/username
1459 2011-02-24 08:12:31 <mekel> o ok
1460 2011-02-24 08:12:50 <lfm> try "pico ~/.bitcoin/bitcoin.conf
1461 2011-02-24 08:13:17 <lfm> try "pico ~/.bitcoin/bitcoin.conf"
1462 2011-02-24 08:13:46 <mekel> rpcuser=username
1463 2011-02-24 08:13:51 <Syke> pico is a nice text-mode editor. you can also use gedit since you have a gui
1464 2011-02-24 08:13:52 <mekel> rpcpassword=password
1465 2011-02-24 08:13:52 <mekel> ?
1466 2011-02-24 08:14:05 <Syke> yup
1467 2011-02-24 08:14:07 <lfm> `ya add those lines then save and exit
1468 2011-02-24 08:14:24 <lfm> my keyboard os messed up, brb
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1470 2011-02-24 08:14:43 <Syke> hmm, you know, bitcoin might not like the -server parameter if you don't have the username and password in the config file
1471 2011-02-24 08:15:05 <Diablo-D3> it'll specifically bitch about that though
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1473 2011-02-24 08:15:25 <Syke> in the latest version?
1474 2011-02-24 08:15:32 <Syke> I know the old one does.
1475 2011-02-24 08:15:35 <Syke> I haven't upgraded
1476 2011-02-24 08:15:37 <mekel> the config file goes in the bitcoin directory w/ everything else?
1477 2011-02-24 08:15:45 <Syke> no
1478 2011-02-24 08:16:01 <lfm> ~/.bitcoin is in your /home/user dir
1479 2011-02-24 08:16:17 <mekel> i dnt hav a file called .bitcoin
1480 2011-02-24 08:16:22 <mekel> is it invisible?
1481 2011-02-24 08:16:25 <Syke> yes
1482 2011-02-24 08:16:32 <lfm> ok mkdir ~/.bitcoin
1483 2011-02-24 08:16:34 <Syke> if it exists
1484 2011-02-24 08:16:51 <Syke> files/folders with . as the first character are hidden by default
1485 2011-02-24 08:16:53 <mekel> its invisible
1486 2011-02-24 08:17:01 <mekel> that woulda been good to know syke lol
1487 2011-02-24 08:17:10 <lfm> ca see it with ls -a
1488 2011-02-24 08:17:12 <Syke> "ls -a" will show them all
1489 2011-02-24 08:17:15 <Syke> lol
1490 2011-02-24 08:18:03 <Syke> apps typically store settings like this is in hidden . folders
1491 2011-02-24 08:18:37 <Syke> which is where your wallet.dat will show up.
1492 2011-02-24 08:18:39 <mekel> um
1493 2011-02-24 08:18:43 <mekel> so its sayin cmd not found
1494 2011-02-24 08:18:47 <mekel> when i do bitcoin -server
1495 2011-02-24 08:19:04 <Syke> then you need to give it a path to bitcoin
1496 2011-02-24 08:19:13 <mekel> im inside bin/32
1497 2011-02-24 08:19:18 <Syke> oh
1498 2011-02-24 08:19:19 <Syke> yeah
1499 2011-02-24 08:19:28 <Syke> current directory is not searched by default
1500 2011-02-24 08:19:30 <Syke> a security measure
1501 2011-02-24 08:19:34 <mekel> hm
1502 2011-02-24 08:19:36 <Syke> ./bitcoin -server
1503 2011-02-24 08:19:48 <mekel> why ./ ?
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1505 2011-02-24 08:20:04 <Syke> means current directory
1506 2011-02-24 08:20:07 <mekel> SUCESS
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1508 2011-02-24 08:20:40 <mekel> u guys rox
1509 2011-02-24 08:20:43 <lfm> yay
1510 2011-02-24 08:20:47 <mekel> epic!
1511 2011-02-24 08:20:54 <mekel> i did not think id hav bitcoin goin by tonight
1512 2011-02-24 08:20:57 <mekel> only 3:15 am
1513 2011-02-24 08:21:03 <mekel> gotta see if it will gpu mine tho
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1515 2011-02-24 08:21:24 <mekel> soo the blocks are goin slower then iv ever seen
1516 2011-02-24 08:21:25 <lfm> tommorow we'll tackle the gpu miner
1517 2011-02-24 08:21:38 <Syke> it'll take an hour or so to download the block chain
1518 2011-02-24 08:22:02 <mekel> is the gpu miner alredy good to go or is there stuff i hasv to do
1519 2011-02-24 08:22:37 <lfm> it may be the toughest part
1520 2011-02-24 08:22:38 <Syke> if you have bitcoin running with the -server, then you just change to the DiabloMiner directory and run "env DISPLAY=:0 ./DiabloMiner-Linux.sh -u username -p password -w 64 -f 1"
1521 2011-02-24 08:24:06 <lfm> prolly need sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jre-headless
1522 2011-02-24 08:24:07 <mekel> awsome
1523 2011-02-24 08:24:13 <mekel> i alredy got that i think
1524 2011-02-24 08:24:15 <mekel> how do i chek
1525 2011-02-24 08:25:00 <lfm> try it again is easiest, if it is already done no prob
1526 2011-02-24 08:26:10 <mekel> k well i did that
1527 2011-02-24 08:26:35 <mekel> im at 25k blocks
1528 2011-02-24 08:26:39 <mekel> what is it, 96k?
1529 2011-02-24 08:26:52 <lfm> ;;bc,blocks
1530 2011-02-24 08:26:53 <gribble> 110095
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1550 2011-02-24 09:49:56 <comboy> bc,stats
1551 2011-02-24 09:50:05 <comboy> ;;bc,stats
1552 2011-02-24 09:50:07 <gribble> Current Blocks: 110112 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 767 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 17 hours, 3 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51146.22271444
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1555 2011-02-24 09:55:03 <Francesca-iPad> Morning all :)
1556 2011-02-24 09:56:05 <Francesca-iPad> Can anyone tell me how to find out the has rate of a computer (running windows)? Thanks ^^
1557 2011-02-24 09:56:12 <Francesca-iPad> Hash*
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1560 2011-02-24 10:06:41 <[Noodles]> how about running a miner and see how fast it'll go?
1561 2011-02-24 10:07:37 <sipa> Francesca-iPad: unless you have a high-end graphics card that supports cuda or opencl, not too much probably
1562 2011-02-24 10:08:59 <Francesca-iPad> I am running two ATI FirePro V5800's in Crossfire
1563 2011-02-24 10:09:38 <Francesca-iPad> Are your hashes down to GPU rather than CPU then?
1564 2011-02-24 10:11:01 <sipa> (some) gpu's are much more efficient than cpu's for hashing
1565 2011-02-24 10:11:08 <sipa> ;;bc,gen 12000
1566 2011-02-24 10:11:10 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 12000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 0.331047120136 BTC per day and 0.0137936300057 BTC per hour.
1567 2011-02-24 10:11:45 <sipa> with the most high-end hexacore cpu, you may get something like 0.33 BTC per day currently
1568 2011-02-24 10:11:52 <Francesca-iPad> Well I would probably agree that these cards I have are probably better for it as they are workstation cards
1569 2011-02-24 10:12:03 <BurtyB> Francesca-iPad https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison might help
1570 2011-02-24 10:12:09 <sipa> ;;bc,gen 630000
1571 2011-02-24 10:12:11 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 630000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 17.3799738072 BTC per day and 0.724165575298 BTC per hour.
1572 2011-02-24 10:12:14 <Francesca-iPad> Thanks BurtyB
1573 2011-02-24 10:12:27 <sipa> an ati 5970 gets you more something like 17 BTC per day :)
1574 2011-02-24 10:13:36 <Francesca-iPad> So a workstation fire pro v5800 should probably be doing okay then..
1575 2011-02-24 10:13:53 <sipa> don't know, dus it support opencl?
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1577 2011-02-24 10:14:57 <Francesca-iPad> I will have to check later, it generating nothing at the moment as it is currently turned off. I would imagine it would though.
1578 2011-02-24 10:14:57 <sipa> seems it does
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1580 2011-02-24 10:15:12 <sipa> i'm interested in hearing how fast it is
1581 2011-02-24 10:15:14 <Francesca-iPad> If not my older FireGL V7350 setup probably will
1582 2011-02-24 10:17:40 <sipa> my guess is somewhere around 100Mh/s
1583 2011-02-24 10:20:40 <comboy> FUUU
1584 2011-02-24 10:21:00 <comboy> I found a block with diablominer, did not get any invalid block or anything
1585 2011-02-24 10:21:20 <comboy> but there's no new block
1586 2011-02-24 10:21:45 <comboy> no new generation in my bitcoin visible, and no hash of it on block explorer
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1588 2011-02-24 10:21:56 <comboy> and that was like 5 blocks ago
1589 2011-02-24 10:21:58 <comboy> any ideas?
1590 2011-02-24 10:24:23 <lfm> you maybe lost a tie
1591 2011-02-24 10:24:38 <comboy> but then I should get invalid block info right?
1592 2011-02-24 10:25:24 <comboy> + no block found seems to be colse within a minute to time of my block found, and I do getwork from local bitcoin every 1s
1593 2011-02-24 10:28:04 <comboy> FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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1595 2011-02-24 10:29:18 <validus> seems like it showed up
1596 2011-02-24 10:29:18 <validus> lol
1597 2011-02-24 10:30:27 <comboy> what do you mean?
1598 2011-02-24 10:30:48 <validus> you just seem awfully mad with your fuuuuuuuuuuu so i assumed it showed up and you didnt have it
1599 2011-02-24 10:31:28 <comboy> ah, no I cannot see it anywhere, just like it was never generated
1600 2011-02-24 10:31:39 <comboy> and yes I'm mad, you know it's not so seasy to generate one
1601 2011-02-24 10:32:04 <validus> well its no guarantee you'll win the race on generating it also. theres a few other factors
1602 2011-02-24 10:32:17 <JFK911> Is my block stealer tool really working?
1603 2011-02-24 10:32:22 <validus> or your just being impatient on it verifying
1604 2011-02-24 10:33:02 <comboy> I 've generated blocks before,  never had such issue
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1606 2011-02-24 10:33:44 <comboy> I understand there's very small chance that somebody will be first to add block to chain, but I thought it's only the case when few secs difference
1607 2011-02-24 10:34:18 <sipa> comboy: are you running in a pool?
1608 2011-02-24 10:34:23 <lfm> so do you have a timestamp for your generate event?
1609 2011-02-24 10:34:28 <comboy> sipa: no
1610 2011-02-24 10:34:51 <sipa> diablominer will just report whether the block was accepted by bitcoind
1611 2011-02-24 10:34:55 <comboy> yes, it was 9:38:33 utc, prev block was 9:37:40
1612 2011-02-24 10:35:08 <comboy> and getwork every 1s as I said
1613 2011-02-24 10:35:18 <comboy> bitcoin has 31 connections
1614 2011-02-24 10:36:04 <sipa> yeah, could be chain split
1615 2011-02-24 10:36:09 <comboy> do these numbers sound to you like it could happen that somebody won the race?
1616 2011-02-24 10:36:11 <sipa> oh
1617 2011-02-24 10:36:20 <sipa> no block found within a minute from it
1618 2011-02-24 10:36:21 <sipa> gmm
1619 2011-02-24 10:36:31 <comboy> but with one minute delay, that would make 10% of blocks not accepted
1620 2011-02-24 10:36:51 <comboy> sipa: yes, exactly
1621 2011-02-24 10:37:30 <lfm> is your clock set accuratly?
1622 2011-02-24 10:37:46 <comboy> lfm: yes, I use rdate to sync
1623 2011-02-24 10:40:45 <lfm> it could be someone else with their clock not set accuratly also generated at the time you did and they won the chain split
1624 2011-02-24 10:41:13 <comboy> wowwowwow
1625 2011-02-24 10:41:22 <comboy> you mean if I set my clock to the future
1626 2011-02-24 10:41:33 <comboy> I have more chances to win in case chain split?
1627 2011-02-24 10:41:48 <lfm> no, its not BECUASE they were the wrong time, its just random
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1629 2011-02-24 10:42:21 <sipa> i don't think the timestamp matters at all
1630 2011-02-24 10:42:22 <comboy> ok I see
1631 2011-02-24 10:42:29 <comboy> so these timestamps seen on blockexplorer
1632 2011-02-24 10:42:32 <sipa> only for difficulty calculations there are used
1633 2011-02-24 10:42:42 <comboy> are the timestamps put by miner inside the block, is that right?
1634 2011-02-24 10:42:46 <sipa> yes
1635 2011-02-24 10:42:56 <sipa> by bitcoind actually
1636 2011-02-24 10:43:03 <sipa> before giving work to the miner
1637 2011-02-24 10:43:12 <comboy> and who wins only depends on the time other clients receive the block, timestamp does not matter, right?
1638 2011-02-24 10:43:22 <sipa> that's what i assume
1639 2011-02-24 10:43:36 <comboy> ok then indeed lfm explanation sounds most probable
1640 2011-02-24 10:44:19 <comboy> I wonder however what are the odds in practice of being so unlucky
1641 2011-02-24 10:45:07 <comboy> I think vladimir was trying to get this info from artforz here, but from artforz said he's getting exact same number of blocks as counted from theoretical difficulty
1642 2011-02-24 10:45:28 <comboy> (last time he said it was slightly higher actually)
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1645 2011-02-24 10:46:45 <comboy> slush should also have some idea about it, was that the reason for making higher number of connections in client slush?
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1647 2011-02-24 10:47:20 <lfm> so  09:32:28 or  09:35:22 may have collided with your block
1648 2011-02-24 10:47:43 <sipa> ;;bc,calc 1260000
1649 2011-02-24 10:47:44 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1260000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 1 day, 10 hours, 31 minutes, and 20 seconds
1650 2011-02-24 10:48:33 <comboy> lfm: there was also some at 9:37:40
1651 2011-02-24 10:49:11 <slush> comboy: what are you talking about?
1652 2011-02-24 10:49:37 <comboy> oh, woke up, about loosing fight to get generated block in the chain
1653 2011-02-24 10:49:46 <comboy> do you have that often in the pool?
1654 2011-02-24 10:49:58 <slush> comboy: you mean invalid blocks?
1655 2011-02-24 10:50:10 <lfm> slush he sez he generated a valid block and it disapeared
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1657 2011-02-24 10:50:27 <comboy> yes, I did not get info like invalid block
1658 2011-02-24 10:50:51 <slush> hmm, looks weird. I have no experience with this
1659 2011-02-24 10:50:56 <lfm> what was the timestamp again?
1660 2011-02-24 10:51:11 <sipa> slush: you've had blocks in the pool that did not count, right?
1661 2011-02-24 10:51:15 <slush> yes
1662 2011-02-24 10:51:28 <comboy> 9:38:33
1663 2011-02-24 10:51:36 <sipa> slush: how do you see these in bitcoin/bitcoind?
1664 2011-02-24 10:52:06 <slush> now yes
1665 2011-02-24 10:52:08 <slush> in .19
1666 2011-02-24 10:52:38 <comboy> ok so when I get invalid block, that is worker working on the wrong root, or generating something wrong
1667 2011-02-24 10:52:45 <lfm> ok it would normally have been between  09:39:31 and  09:37:40 then
1668 2011-02-24 10:52:56 <comboy> but it may be that bitcoind accepts it because it yet does not know about new block, correct?
1669 2011-02-24 10:53:05 <sipa> yes
1670 2011-02-24 10:53:11 <sipa> but my question is
1671 2011-02-24 10:53:19 <sipa> are these listed in bitcoin?
1672 2011-02-24 10:53:36 <sipa> as rejected or something
1673 2011-02-24 10:53:41 <sipa> or do they just dissapear
1674 2011-02-24 10:53:44 <sipa> disappear
1675 2011-02-24 10:53:44 <comboy> no
1676 2011-02-24 10:53:47 <comboy> I dont have anything
1677 2011-02-24 10:53:51 <sipa> i know you don't
1678 2011-02-24 10:53:53 <comboy> I wish there would be some info like this
1679 2011-02-24 10:54:11 <lfm> they may be logged but not on every machine. they kinda collide on the net and some node would only ever see the winner
1680 2011-02-24 10:54:39 <sipa> yeah
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1682 2011-02-24 10:55:24 <comboy> slush: but would you even know if something like this happens? you have some kind of proxy before bitcoind? because if no I guess you may just not know about it (?)
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1687 2011-02-24 10:56:27 <lfm> your bitcoind should say something when it gets the block that overrides your (and it logged your block too right?)
1688 2011-02-24 10:56:34 <comboy> and while highlighting you, have you ever tried calculations of theretical number of blocks that should be found based on estimated hashpower vs real number? seems kinda hard..
1689 2011-02-24 10:57:05 <comboy> lfm: I'm running bitcoin with -server, nothing new on transaction list
1690 2011-02-24 10:57:38 <comboy> maybe I'll try running it from console with some debug switch
1691 2011-02-24 10:58:26 <lfm> comboy ya, the normal way to estimate total hashpower is to extrapolate from the blocks found so you cant find annomallies that way
1692 2011-02-24 10:59:04 <lfm> combot look at the debug.log file in the configdir
1693 2011-02-24 10:59:24 <lfm> comboy ^
1694 2011-02-24 10:59:25 <comboy> lfm: but it's estimated on this shares found, so if some blocks would get lost you should get some difference in number I guess
1695 2011-02-24 10:59:31 <comboy> oh
1696 2011-02-24 10:59:33 <comboy> doing it
1697 2011-02-24 11:00:11 <lfm> shares are only estimates for one pool, not for the whole net
1698 2011-02-24 11:00:12 <comboy> (wish they add timestamps for every line)
1699 2011-02-24 11:06:47 <comboy> I'm so stupid I didnt save the log, I only remember 3 firt chacs of hash now
1700 2011-02-24 11:07:44 <comboy> http://pastebin.com/jwWX9YXs
1701 2011-02-24 11:08:10 <comboy> and these are the logs that fith this 3 chars I remembered (damn stupid not saved the miner log)
1702 2011-02-24 11:09:52 <comboy> uhm
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1704 2011-02-24 11:10:12 <comboy> this log need timestamps real badly
1705 2011-02-24 11:10:23 <FellowTraveler> hi all
1706 2011-02-24 11:10:44 <comboy> I seem to even received info about my block from some others
1707 2011-02-24 11:11:16 <comboy> but can't find anything about it being rejected or something like that, possibly I would just find next SetBestChain
1708 2011-02-24 11:11:43 <comboy> blah, anyway thanks for all help, I feel like diving into bitcoin source now
1709 2011-02-24 11:11:44 <lfm> there should be timestamps on the "proof of work" messages
1710 2011-02-24 11:12:21 <lfm> search for "generated"
1711 2011-02-24 11:12:29 <comboy> ok
1712 2011-02-24 11:13:10 <comboy> there it is
1713 2011-02-24 11:13:26 <lfm> whats the timestamp there?
1714 2011-02-24 11:13:31 <comboy> http://pastebin.com/x7aWUKJQ
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1716 2011-02-24 11:13:41 <comboy> 9:39 I see no seconds
1717 2011-02-24 11:14:18 <FellowTraveler> Are there any bitcoin client developers here?
1718 2011-02-24 11:14:19 <lfm> back up a few lines
1719 2011-02-24 11:14:59 <lfm> could be the  09:39:31 block then or collided with it
1720 2011-02-24 11:16:08 <comboy> http://pastebin.com/6QvTCx5Q
1721 2011-02-24 11:16:35 <comboy> hmm but the weird thing is this hash there is not the hash that diablominer gave me in the debug msg
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1723 2011-02-24 11:16:47 <lfm> sez it is 110111 tho and that would be Block #110111 2011-02-24 09:37:40
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1727 2011-02-24 11:17:54 <comboy> 38 I think
1728 2011-02-24 11:17:58 <comboy> hashprevblock
1729 2011-02-24 11:18:02 <comboy> is for 9:35
1730 2011-02-24 11:18:12 <lfm> Block #110110 2011-02-24 09:35:31
1731 2011-02-24 11:19:05 <lfm> perhaps a communication error prevented your block from getting out
1732 2011-02-24 11:19:06 <comboy> so it was minute later and my bitoicn still havent got this next block that blockexplorer says was found at 9:37
1733 2011-02-24 11:19:12 <BlueMatt> slush doing pool maintenance?
1734 2011-02-24 11:19:18 <comboy> ;(
1735 2011-02-24 11:19:31 <lfm> comboy you're not on the pool though
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1737 2011-02-24 11:19:57 <lfm> running your own bitcoin -server
1738 2011-02-24 11:19:59 <BlueMatt> I was asking because I cant connect
1739 2011-02-24 11:20:20 <comboy> well I love slush pool, it's just that lately when I look in debug I see lots of "rejected by bitcoin", I think I wouldn't use 50% of my hashpower
1740 2011-02-24 11:20:39 <lfm> BlueMatt: oh maybe he was just here, he may be looking for records of comboy's block
1741 2011-02-24 11:21:00 <BlueMatt> ;;seen slush
1742 2011-02-24 11:21:01 <gribble> slush was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 28 minutes and 52 seconds ago: <slush> in .19
1743 2011-02-24 11:21:17 <slush> slush isn't doing pool maintenance, but someone is doing ddos
1744 2011-02-24 11:21:25 <BlueMatt> ouch
1745 2011-02-24 11:21:45 <slush> 40MB/s before few minutes
1746 2011-02-24 11:21:46 <lfm> sucks to be popular eh
1747 2011-02-24 11:21:57 <slush> Now I implement some temporary firewall rules
1748 2011-02-24 11:22:02 <BlueMatt> clearly someone wants to keep the difficulty down
1749 2011-02-24 11:22:11 <slush> no, someone just want to fed me up
1750 2011-02-24 11:22:14 <comboy> lfm: anyway, thanks for help a lot, I think it would be nice to add some timestamps in these logs, maybe I'll try
1751 2011-02-24 11:22:59 <comboy> slush: and you could just have a normal job earning so much more money ;) without need for everyday user support ;)
1752 2011-02-24 11:23:06 <lfm> comboy ok. seems like you just had a rash of bad luck but feel free to look into those logs more
1753 2011-02-24 11:23:21 <slush> *sigh*
1754 2011-02-24 11:23:25 <BlueMatt> slush doesnt make nearly enough off the pool to live off of
1755 2011-02-24 11:23:36 <comboy> lfm: I'll sure do, just need to go away now, and I need to check source to understand them better
1756 2011-02-24 11:23:36 <BlueMatt> In fact, does he make anything?
1757 2011-02-24 11:23:54 <comboy> lfm: and I'll surely bitch about it some more here if it happens again
1758 2011-02-24 11:24:09 <lfm> comboy save a copy of your debug.log cuz it gets overwritten eventually
1759 2011-02-24 11:24:24 <comboy> oh
1760 2011-02-24 11:24:27 <comboy> thanks!
1761 2011-02-24 11:27:13 <andrew12> eeeeeeeeeeeeee
1762 2011-02-24 11:27:26 <andrew12> (that may or may not be my mating call)
1763 2011-02-24 11:28:08 <BlueMatt> hawt
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1767 2011-02-24 11:39:50 <andrew12> hmm
1768 2011-02-24 11:40:55 <andrew12> should i try to get enough money to buy a 5870 or buy Keefe's 5770 until i've got enough money to upgrade?
1769 2011-02-24 11:41:41 <Keefe> how long til you can afford a 5870?
1770 2011-02-24 11:41:45 <lfm> get em both
1771 2011-02-24 11:42:16 <Keefe> in the meantime, a 5770 can earn ~$3.50/day
1772 2011-02-24 11:42:32 <Keefe> ;;bc,gen 177000
1773 2011-02-24 11:42:32 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 177000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 4.88294502201 BTC per day and 0.203456042584 BTC per hour.
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1775 2011-02-24 11:42:53 <andrew12> Keefe: i dunno
1776 2011-02-24 11:42:58 <lfm> ok a bit more than 3.50
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1778 2011-02-24 11:43:17 <andrew12> Keefe: then i'm gonna try to get the 5870 :P
1779 2011-02-24 11:43:20 <Keefe> $4/day is a good figure, accounting for exchange rate and electricity cost
1780 2011-02-24 11:43:37 <andrew12> hm
1781 2011-02-24 11:43:46 <Keefe> well, ya if you can afford a 5870 now, go for it
1782 2011-02-24 11:44:03 <andrew12> HMMMMMMMM.
1783 2011-02-24 11:44:10 <Keefe> if you can only afford a 5770, get mine then add a 5870 or another 5770 later
1784 2011-02-24 11:44:17 <Keefe> assuming your board can do two cards
1785 2011-02-24 11:44:36 <andrew12> the one i'm going to get, yes
1786 2011-02-24 11:44:44 <andrew12> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130290
1787 2011-02-24 11:45:01 <andrew12> holy shit
1788 2011-02-24 11:45:03 <andrew12> http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx?cm_sp=ShellShocker-_-14-102-888-_-02242011
1789 2011-02-24 11:45:12 <andrew12> 5870 for $180
1790 2011-02-24 11:45:17 <BlueMatt> gadam
1791 2011-02-24 11:45:17 <andrew12> sapphire even.
1792 2011-02-24 11:45:44 <lfm> nice
1793 2011-02-24 11:46:01 <andrew12> i was on newegg.com and i was like 'what'
1794 2011-02-24 11:46:14 <andrew12> that one's on the homepage
1795 2011-02-24 11:46:37 <Keefe> was kinda hoping you wouldn't notice that :P
1796 2011-02-24 11:46:46 <andrew12> lol
1797 2011-02-24 11:47:11 <andrew12> $391.95
1798 2011-02-24 11:47:14 <andrew12> my cart in newegg
1799 2011-02-24 11:48:55 <andrew12> hdd: $39.99, mobo: $69.99, 5870: $199.99, ram: $21.99, cpu: $59.99, knowing that it's all going toward bitcoin: priceless
1800 2011-02-24 11:49:18 <lfm> psu?
1801 2011-02-24 11:49:36 <BlueMatt> watching way too many mastercard commercials: priceless
1802 2011-02-24 11:49:40 <andrew12> pretty sure i've got one in another computer that i can use
1803 2011-02-24 11:49:41 <sipa> don't ya be forgettin' the psu
1804 2011-02-24 11:50:00 <BlueMatt> there was a psu on the shell shocker page that was another couple percent off
1805 2011-02-24 11:50:15 <andrew12> Next Deal at 10:00am(PST).
1806 2011-02-24 11:50:19 <andrew12> i'll have to be checking at school
1807 2011-02-24 11:50:20 <andrew12> :p
1808 2011-02-24 11:50:44 <sipa> as long as you have 2 6-pin PCIe power connectors on your PSU, it's probably fine
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1810 2011-02-24 11:51:56 <andrew12> well it's got a ton of black cords coming out from the psu.. i  haven't actually looked inside that computer for a long time
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1813 2011-02-24 11:52:21 <lfm> grin good luck with that
1814 2011-02-24 11:52:21 <andrew12> iirc a few of the cables were sata
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1816 2011-02-24 11:52:58 <andrew12> what exactly is DisplayPort anyways?
1817 2011-02-24 11:53:20 <lfm> its like the apple version of htmi or dpi
1818 2011-02-24 11:53:36 <andrew12> er
1819 2011-02-24 11:53:47 <andrew12> this 5870 has 6 of them
1820 2011-02-24 11:54:02 <andrew12> pretty sure its not apple
1821 2011-02-24 11:54:07 <BlueMatt> DP is supposed to replce hdmi and dvi
1822 2011-02-24 11:54:15 <lfm> oh thats a special one, powercooler? might wanna be carefull there
1823 2011-02-24 11:54:22 <BlueMatt> apple has pushed it hard, but its as much apple as usb is
1824 2011-02-24 11:54:27 <lfm> dvi thats what I meant
1825 2011-02-24 11:54:47 <andrew12> hm
1826 2011-02-24 11:54:53 <andrew12> how many cores does the 5870 have?
1827 2011-02-24 11:54:56 <sipa> 1
1828 2011-02-24 11:55:00 <andrew12> and what hashrate does it get?
1829 2011-02-24 11:55:11 <andrew12> just curious
1830 2011-02-24 11:55:20 <BlueMatt> gpus dont really have "cores"
1831 2011-02-24 11:55:27 <lfm> you can get displayport to dvi adapters I think
1832 2011-02-24 11:55:34 <BlueMatt> yea
1833 2011-02-24 11:55:34 <andrew12> lfm: it looks like it comes with them
1834 2011-02-24 11:55:37 <sipa> andrew12: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
1835 2011-02-24 11:56:09 <andrew12> i should probably get a kvm switch for my monitor :P
1836 2011-02-24 11:56:12 <andrew12> sipa: thanks
1837 2011-02-24 11:56:22 <sipa> it's one gpu, if you want the closest approximation of the concept of "cores", a 5870 probably has 10
1838 2011-02-24 11:56:51 <sipa> or 20 maybe
1839 2011-02-24 11:56:53 <andrew12> haha
1840 2011-02-24 11:56:54 <andrew12> cool
1841 2011-02-24 11:57:52 <andrew12> ;;bc,gen 355000
1842 2011-02-24 11:57:52 <void_> 5970 is twice the 5870
1843 2011-02-24 11:57:53 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 355000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 9.79347730403 BTC per day and 0.408061554335 BTC per hour.
1844 2011-02-24 11:58:01 <andrew12> void_: and twice the price
1845 2011-02-24 11:58:07 <BlueMatt> pretty much
1846 2011-02-24 11:58:12 <sipa> at lower clock rate
1847 2011-02-24 11:58:17 <void_> thats the downsite, the price
1848 2011-02-24 11:58:18 <BlueMatt> one package w/ 2 gpus but lower clock and some shared stuff
1849 2011-02-24 11:58:21 <lfm> more than twice the price
1850 2011-02-24 11:58:55 <andrew12> "calmine" is ArtForz's right?
1851 2011-02-24 11:59:17 <BlueMatt> why would you use art's miner?
1852 2011-02-24 11:59:19 <lfm> he has a CAL miner
1853 2011-02-24 11:59:22 <andrew12> i'm just wondering
1854 2011-02-24 11:59:36 <andrew12> it says that on https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
1855 2011-02-24 11:59:36 <BlueMatt> he wrote the first opencl kernel, but its been imporved by m0m and diablo
1856 2011-02-24 12:00:33 <sc8nt4u> ;;bc,gen 1250000
1857 2011-02-24 12:00:35 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1250000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 34.4840750142 BTC per day and 1.43683645892 BTC per hour.
1858 2011-02-24 12:00:36 <lfm> I think CAL is a bit lowwer level
1859 2011-02-24 12:00:36 <BlueMatt> wait, no
1860 2011-02-24 12:00:56 <BlueMatt> isnt clmine paid?
1861 2011-02-24 12:01:32 <BlueMatt> "These are my private miner versions.
1862 2011-02-24 12:01:33 <BlueMatt> clmine is my old OpenCL miner, should be about as fast as older versions of m0 or diablo.
1863 2011-02-24 12:01:33 <BlueMatt> clmine2 is my newer OpenCL miner, roughly on par with current m0 or diablo.
1864 2011-02-24 12:01:33 <BlueMatt> calmine is a CAL IL miner with BFI_INT, closest thing would be mrbs miner."
1865 2011-02-24 12:01:39 <BlueMatt> quote from ArtForz
1866 2011-02-24 12:01:59 <sipa> is calmine availble?
1867 2011-02-24 12:02:04 <BlueMatt> no
1868 2011-02-24 12:02:05 <andrew12> >private miner
1869 2011-02-24 12:02:10 <sipa> thought so
1870 2011-02-24 12:02:14 <sc8nt4u> ;;bc,gen 1400000
1871 2011-02-24 12:02:15 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1400000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 38.6221640159 BTC per day and 1.609256834 BTC per hour.
1872 2011-02-24 12:02:21 <BlueMatt> there is one you can buy which is similar
1873 2011-02-24 12:02:39 <sipa> mrb's, yes
1874 2011-02-24 12:02:43 <sipa> 400 BTC i believe
1875 2011-02-24 12:03:11 <andrew12> what does he give you if you buy it? teh src?! :p
1876 2011-02-24 12:03:16 <sipa> no
1877 2011-02-24 12:04:47 <Keefe> 2000 for the src i think
1878 2011-02-24 12:05:19 <Keefe> no one person is going to spend $2000 for 5% better
1879 2011-02-24 12:05:48 <BlueMatt> or buy the actual miner, w/o code for 400 (if sipa is right)
1880 2011-02-24 12:06:15 <andrew12> let's try to raise $2000 to make this open source! :p
1881 2011-02-24 12:06:32 <BlueMatt> I believe thats still against the liscense
1882 2011-02-24 12:06:40 <andrew12> laaaame
1883 2011-02-24 12:06:43 <BlueMatt> license*
1884 2011-02-24 12:06:52 <void_> i'll buy you open source for $ 0
1885 2011-02-24 12:07:00 <andrew12> liscense is correct too, because english is stupid
1886 2011-02-24 12:07:17 <andrew12> i think
1887 2011-02-24 12:07:28 <BlueMatt> doesnt really matter
1888 2011-02-24 12:07:35 <andrew12> no, that's license and licence
1889 2011-02-24 12:07:38 <andrew12> whatever
1890 2011-02-24 12:07:38 <andrew12> :P
1891 2011-02-24 12:08:16 <sipa> a license is what you get, to licence is what you do
1892 2011-02-24 12:08:26 * andrew12 licenses sipa 
1893 2011-02-24 12:08:42 <sipa> thanks!
1894 2011-02-24 12:08:57 <lfm> what's lysenz then?
1895 2011-02-24 12:09:03 <andrew12> lfm: the game
1896 2011-02-24 12:09:18 <lfm> ok thats what I thot
1897 2011-02-24 12:10:31 <void_> just 5% more than the free and open rpcminer-opencl and poclbm?
1898 2011-02-24 12:11:25 <Keefe> somewhere between 5% and 10% i think
1899 2011-02-24 12:12:11 <void_> comes down to 5 or 10% of 38 bitcoins per day, thats not much
1900 2011-02-24 12:12:19 <andrew12> school time
1901 2011-02-24 12:12:22 <andrew12> :c
1902 2011-02-24 12:13:12 <void_> i'll stick to the free and open
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1904 2011-02-24 12:15:59 <void_> slush is mangling his server again, dayly income graph is gone
1905 2011-02-24 12:16:33 <BlueMatt> ddos
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1907 2011-02-24 12:17:51 <void_> the other graphs are still there, only dayly income is gone
1908 2011-02-24 12:20:15 <slush> void_: no
1909 2011-02-24 12:20:17 <slush> everything is here
1910 2011-02-24 12:20:24 <slush> but server is overloaded, I'm solving ddos
1911 2011-02-24 12:20:39 <slush> void_: oh, and you have to be logged in to see daily reward
1912 2011-02-24 12:21:06 <void_> i see the system daily reward but not the personal one, i cant see it sinds 12.00 hours
1913 2011-02-24 12:21:18 <slush> are you logged in?
1914 2011-02-24 12:21:20 <void_> oke
1915 2011-02-24 12:22:46 <void_> see it now, tnx
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1917 2011-02-24 12:31:45 <void_> ddos from american express and paypal  they are losing bussiness to bitcoin ;)
1918 2011-02-24 12:32:09 <slush> looks like ddos is solved
1919 2011-02-24 12:32:43 <slush> I don't know if fail2ban it really solved the problem or it is coincidence, but once I configured that, traffic is back to normal
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1922 2011-02-24 12:45:10 <andrew12> asdf
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1924 2011-02-24 12:58:17 <void_> http://www.asdf.com/index.html
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1927 2011-02-24 13:09:02 <edcba> void_: that looks like US centric...
1928 2011-02-24 13:14:21 <slush> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqFpq9WXbJo
1929 2011-02-24 13:14:33 <slush> would be nice to have something for bitcoin clients over the world :)
1930 2011-02-24 13:16:36 <BlueMatt> I like how little there is until the droid
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1932 2011-02-24 13:18:51 <BlueMatt> anyone have the link to the bitcoin node map?
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1937 2011-02-24 13:27:05 <TD> slush: that's an awesome vid
1938 2011-02-24 13:28:07 <slush> anybody with flash skills? I think we have some stats.
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1940 2011-02-24 13:28:51 <slush> BlueMatt: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2346.0
1941 2011-02-24 13:30:41 <BlueMatt> slush: thanks
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1943 2011-02-24 13:35:51 <void_> the card says my bitcoinnode is down, but my bitcoinclient is up, how know? http://maps.google.com/maps?q=https://smsz.net/btcStats/bitcoin.kml
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1945 2011-02-24 13:36:56 <BlueMatt> if its red, it means your firewall isnt configured correctly
1946 2011-02-24 13:37:59 <BlueMatt> you have to forward port 8333 to the computer w/ your bitcoin client on it on your router
1947 2011-02-24 13:38:19 <void_> only 8333?
1948 2011-02-24 13:38:33 <BlueMatt> yea
1949 2011-02-24 13:40:25 <void_> 8333 was already set in my firewall, but the icon is still red
1950 2011-02-24 13:40:55 <slush> void_: map has some latency
1951 2011-02-24 13:41:01 <BlueMatt> I think its a cron job, so it might take a while to change
1952 2011-02-24 13:41:13 <slush> yep
1953 2011-02-24 13:41:26 <void_> i will look tonight for changes
1954 2011-02-24 13:41:55 <BlueMatt> void_: enter 8333 on http://www.canyouseeme.org/
1955 2011-02-24 13:44:18 <edcba> Your IP:127.0.0.1
1956 2011-02-24 13:44:26 <BlueMatt> ...?
1957 2011-02-24 13:44:53 <edcba> Success: I can see your service on 127.0.0.1 on port (80)
1958 2011-02-24 13:44:54 <edcba> Your ISP is not blocking port 80
1959 2011-02-24 13:44:56 <edcba> haha
1960 2011-02-24 13:45:07 <BlueMatt> wait, so you run canyouseeme.org?
1961 2011-02-24 13:45:11 <edcba> no
1962 2011-02-24 13:45:21 <BlueMatt> well it shows the right ip for me
1963 2011-02-24 13:45:32 <void_> yep usefull tool
1964 2011-02-24 13:45:50 <edcba> because i use some proxy i guess
1965 2011-02-24 13:46:13 <BlueMatt> must use canyouseeme.org's proxy
1966 2011-02-24 13:46:14 <edcba> i should change my ip to some 127.0.0.1;rm *
1967 2011-02-24 13:46:27 <BlueMatt> no-ip.com proxy
1968 2011-02-24 13:47:15 <BlueMatt> ...?
1969 2011-02-24 13:48:39 <edcba> i just use some X-Forwarded-For: 127.0.0.1
1970 2011-02-24 13:48:52 <BlueMatt> ah, nice trick
1971 2011-02-24 13:50:30 <MacRohard> heh
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1974 2011-02-24 13:52:06 <genjix> MT`AwAy: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3818.0
1975 2011-02-24 13:52:13 <genjix> MT`AwAy: you need web-dev?
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2003 2011-02-24 14:59:59 <afed_> latest version of bitcoin is segfault city
2004 2011-02-24 15:00:15 <afed_> anyone have problems besides me?
2005 2011-02-24 15:01:43 <sipa> try deleting your .bitcoin (but keep the wallet!)
2006 2011-02-24 15:02:20 <afed_> ok
2007 2011-02-24 15:03:46 <BlueMatt> on windows?
2008 2011-02-24 15:04:03 <afed_> ubuntu 10.10 amd64
2009 2011-02-24 15:04:42 <afed_> i converted my miners to linux last night, and installed 0.3.20.1 and ran bitcoind
2010 2011-02-24 15:04:52 <afed_> but at some point bitcoind segfaulted
2011 2011-02-24 15:05:01 <BlueMatt> well just switch to 0.3.19 then
2012 2011-02-24 15:05:02 <afed_> [12213.537863] bitcoind[19439]: segfault at ffffffe7 ip 0000000000410daf sp 00007fc0719d8b20 error 4 in bitcoind[400000+39a000]
2013 2011-02-24 15:05:12 <BlueMatt> I think mine might have crashed last night, but I have no crashlog
2014 2011-02-24 15:05:40 <afed_> i didn't see anything called crashlog
2015 2011-02-24 15:05:53 <afed_> and now my .bitcoin/ is blank except for the wallet and conf
2016 2011-02-24 15:06:03 <BlueMatt> I meant I have it running detached from any terminals, so I dont get the segfault messages
2017 2011-02-24 15:06:12 <BlueMatt> still getting segfaults?
2018 2011-02-24 15:06:14 <afed_> but if it happens again i will provide info
2019 2011-02-24 15:06:27 <afed_> BlueMatt: idk yet, it segfaulted after it downloaded all blocks and mined for a while
2020 2011-02-24 15:06:33 <afed_> ran for a few hours and crashed in the night
2021 2011-02-24 15:06:38 towerX is now known as tower
2022 2011-02-24 15:06:39 <BlueMatt> oh, ok
2023 2011-02-24 15:06:41 <afed_> that segfault message showed up in dmesg for me
2024 2011-02-24 15:06:52 <afed_> if you do dmesg | tail you might see it
2025 2011-02-24 15:07:01 <BlueMatt> didnt see it this morning
2026 2011-02-24 15:07:11 <BlueMatt> though it might have been above the last 10 lines...
2027 2011-02-24 15:07:13 <BlueMatt> Ill go check
2028 2011-02-24 15:08:43 <BlueMatt> nope dmesg | grep seg gives me nothing
2029 2011-02-24 15:08:48 <BlueMatt> though Im on 32 bit
2030 2011-02-24 15:08:56 <afed_> 10.10?
2031 2011-02-24 15:09:01 <BlueMatt> yea
2032 2011-02-24 15:09:19 <afed_> odd
2033 2011-02-24 15:09:37 <BlueMatt> though mine could have been caused by bad restart script
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2037 2011-02-24 15:17:34 <luke-jr> did it make a core file?
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2040 2011-02-24 15:19:31 <gavinandresen> afed_ BlueMatt:  https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues#issue/28
2041 2011-02-24 15:20:51 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: doesn't look the same. mining isn't really heavy load IMO
2042 2011-02-24 15:21:03 <luke-jr> do the binaries have debug info?
2043 2011-02-24 15:21:12 <gavinandresen> They're stripped to save download size
2044 2011-02-24 15:21:33 <luke-jr> did you save the debug info somewhere locally?
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2047 2011-02-24 15:21:54 <gavinandresen> The build machines are public Amazon AMIs, so yeah
2048 2011-02-24 15:22:16 <luke-jr> well, that assumes GCC produces the same output with the same inputs :p
2049 2011-02-24 15:22:24 <luke-jr> pretty sure it doesn't
2050 2011-02-24 15:23:14 <gavinandresen> Remote miners DO put a pretty heavy load on RCP, right?  Calling getwork?
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2052 2011-02-24 15:23:37 <luke-jr> getwork every few seconds?
2053 2011-02-24 15:23:44 <BlueMatt> yea 5 secs for most
2054 2011-02-24 15:23:45 <luke-jr> I would consider heavy load to be somewhat constant
2055 2011-02-24 15:24:55 <gavinandresen> I did add the -rpctimeout feature to 0.3.20, I wonder if there is a subtle race condition I missed or if starting up a new thread for every RPC call tickles a boost or OS bug....
2056 2011-02-24 15:25:20 <flok> BlueMatt: same problem with 3.19:
2057 2011-02-24 15:25:20 <flok> connect(5, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(8332), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16) = 0
2058 2011-02-24 15:25:21 <flok> sendmsg(5, {msg_name(0)=NULL, msg_iov(1)=[{"POST / HTTP/1.1\r\nUser-Agent: json"..., 224}], msg_controllen=0, msg_flags=0}, MSG_NOSIGNAL) = 224
2059 2011-02-24 15:25:21 <flok> recvmsg(5, {msg_name(0)=NULL, msg_iov(1)=[{"\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"..., 4096}], msg_controllen=0, msg_flags=0}, 0) = 0
2060 2011-02-24 15:25:31 <flok> "error: no response from server"
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2062 2011-02-24 15:25:43 <BlueMatt> maybe gavin could take a look...
2063 2011-02-24 15:26:29 <gavinandresen> take a look at what?
2064 2011-02-24 15:26:56 <flok> gavinandresen: at that strace: with both 3.19 and 3.20 I get errors when doing "$ bin/bitcoind  help"
2065 2011-02-24 15:27:25 <BlueMatt> it should be -rpcconnect=rpcserverip help
2066 2011-02-24 15:27:35 <BlueMatt> with -rpcpassword=pass and -rpcuser=user set
2067 2011-02-24 15:28:06 <gavinandresen> no response from server means there is no bitcoind listening on localhost:8332
2068 2011-02-24 15:28:06 <flok> nope, same problem
2069 2011-02-24 15:28:25 <flok> gavinandresen: yes it is:
2070 2011-02-24 15:28:25 <flok> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:8332            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      5506/bitcoind
2071 2011-02-24 15:28:42 <flok> also you can see in the strace aabove that something comes back from the server
2072 2011-02-24 15:28:47 <flok> all 0x00's though
2073 2011-02-24 15:28:48 <BlueMatt> the bitcoind that is listening was run with -rpcpassword (or in the bitcoin.conf) right?
2074 2011-02-24 15:28:54 <flok> yes
2075 2011-02-24 15:29:03 <edcba> flok: it returns 0...
2076 2011-02-24 15:29:12 <edcba> = 0
2077 2011-02-24 15:29:14 <flok> oh darn, indeed
2078 2011-02-24 15:29:24 <flok> still strange
2079 2011-02-24 15:29:30 <edcba> try with netcat
2080 2011-02-24 15:30:17 <flok> then i do get something back
2081 2011-02-24 15:31:07 <gavinandresen> Are you / were you running the server -rpcssl=1 ?
2082 2011-02-24 15:31:16 <flok> nope
2083 2011-02-24 15:31:39 <flok> strange thing is that exact the same setup runs fine on an other computer
2084 2011-02-24 15:31:43 <gavinandresen> And do you see the connections in debug.log ?
2085 2011-02-24 15:32:21 <flok> yes, stuff like: ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
2086 2011-02-24 15:32:21 <flok> received: block (216 bytes)
2087 2011-02-24 15:32:22 <flok> received block 0000000093eeb9fa6c69
2088 2011-02-24 15:32:22 <flok> SetBestChain: new best=0000000093eeb9fa6c69  height=23728  work=101916834094257
2089 2011-02-24 15:32:58 <gavinandresen> You should see ThreadRPCServer method= ... messages
2090 2011-02-24 15:33:25 <gavinandresen> ( tail -f ~/.bitcoin/debug.log   and then try connecting...)
2091 2011-02-24 15:33:28 <flok> the only one i see is ThreadRPCServer started
2092 2011-02-24 15:33:31 <flok> ok hold on
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2094 2011-02-24 15:34:12 <flok> nothing. (I grep for ThreadRPCServer )
2095 2011-02-24 15:34:49 <gavinandresen> weird.  I'd try restarting the server (killall bitcoind is safe)
2096 2011-02-24 15:35:31 <flok> nope, still same problem after restarting the process
2097 2011-02-24 15:36:31 <gavinandresen> It is very odd that you're getting back that all-zeroes message.  Nothing in the bitcoin RPC-handling code would do that.
2098 2011-02-24 15:37:08 <flok> edcba pointed me at the =0 at the end: so it really is only a 0-bytes-size return
2099 2011-02-24 15:37:58 <gavinandresen> ah, ok (I don't read strace output regularly)
2100 2011-02-24 15:40:08 <flok> the example perl script (with usernamepassword chaznge of course) also returns: 500 Server closed connection without sending any data back
2101 2011-02-24 15:41:00 <flok> let me try a different computer, hold on
2102 2011-02-24 15:42:57 <flok> ok on a different system it runs fine!
2103 2011-02-24 15:43:15 <gavinandresen> try kicking it.
2104 2011-02-24 15:43:37 <gavinandresen> ooh, ooh, or I know, try what customer support always tells you-- reinstall windows.
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2106 2011-02-24 15:44:29 <flok> gavinandresen: it is linux :-)
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2108 2011-02-24 15:44:45 <gavinandresen> yeah, but customer support would still tell you to reinstall windows :-)
2109 2011-02-24 15:44:54 <flok> yeah :-/
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2111 2011-02-24 15:46:08 <flok> nope, this one has the first problem: it hangs forever when you send it a command (even 'help')
2112 2011-02-24 15:46:10 <BlueMatt> "sir please click on the start menu" "I dont have one, Im on linux" "sir please do as I say"
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2115 2011-02-24 15:48:15 <flok> so it seems occasionally the server respons with an empty message and sometimes it doesn't respond at all
2116 2011-02-24 15:48:35 <flok> in one instance i could "fix" that by deleting .bitcoin and restarting but that didn't help this time
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2120 2011-02-24 15:52:46 <rli> ;;bc,stats
2121 2011-02-24 15:52:49 <gribble> Current Blocks: 110175 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 704 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 8 hours, 22 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51615.83194125
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2123 2011-02-24 15:55:19 <lesley> MT`AwAy: hey
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2125 2011-02-24 15:55:49 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: gotta emulate Windows in your head
2126 2011-02-24 15:55:59 <luke-jr> just pretend to follow instructions
2127 2011-02-24 15:56:58 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: yea I do that whether Im on windows or linux: "sir please reboot your computer", "yes ok one minute, its rebooting" (in my head Im thinking "WTF you dont think I haven't tried that, even my grandmother tries that, wtf you dumbass")
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2129 2011-02-24 15:57:49 * genjix pokes MT`AwAy 
2130 2011-02-24 15:58:04 <edcba> you just need to do some bip at some time
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2132 2011-02-24 15:58:51 <edcba> flok: to solve your problem just send me all your bitcoins uninstall windows reinstall windows then i'll give your bitcoins back
2133 2011-02-24 15:59:40 <edcba> you need to change your hard disk and gpu card too
2134 2011-02-24 15:59:43 <edcba> to be sure
2135 2011-02-24 15:59:51 <UukGoblin> "give your bitcoins back" <- I find this part hard to believe
2136 2011-02-24 16:00:05 tower is now known as towerX
2137 2011-02-24 16:00:18 <BlueMatt> by that he means, transfer them to an account which he "thought was yours"
2138 2011-02-24 16:00:31 <edcba> lol
2139 2011-02-24 16:00:42 * edcba writes down...
2140 2011-02-24 16:00:59 <genjix> does anyone need any professional web development work for really cheap? I need 50 BTC more to pay for a new laptop.
2141 2011-02-24 16:01:02 <genjix> http://genjix.freehostia.com/mtux/
2142 2011-02-24 16:01:08 <genjix> that's a recent site I made.
2143 2011-02-24 16:01:15 <edcba> i don't find 50BTC cheap
2144 2011-02-24 16:01:36 <gwillen> 50BTC is cheap for good web development :-P
2145 2011-02-24 16:01:48 <genjix> dude i normally charge $300 for that :p
2146 2011-02-24 16:01:54 <genjix> or more.
2147 2011-02-24 16:01:58 <edcba> it doesn't look like web dev
2148 2011-02-24 16:02:04 <gwillen> genjix: nobody ever appreciates designers ;-)
2149 2011-02-24 16:02:15 <edcba> more like web design indeed
2150 2011-02-24 16:02:16 <UukGoblin> does it web scale?
2151 2011-02-24 16:02:32 <flok> edcba: yeah well to make a project as this a success it is essential that the software runs fine :)
2152 2011-02-24 16:02:38 <UukGoblin> cause mongo web scales
2153 2011-02-24 16:02:44 <genjix> web scales?
2154 2011-02-24 16:03:00 <genjix> also graphics design, http://genjix.freehostia.com/#art
2155 2011-02-24 16:03:14 <edcba> genjix: that's because i find 1BTC worth a lot more than 6€ :)
2156 2011-02-24 16:03:21 <UukGoblin> genjix, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs
2157 2011-02-24 16:04:03 <UukGoblin> edcba, oh, really? are you willing to pay me 5 EUR for 1 BTC? :-]
2158 2011-02-24 16:04:33 <void_> i have bitcoins for 5 euro, many of them
2159 2011-02-24 16:04:42 <UukGoblin> I was first!
2160 2011-02-24 16:04:42 <BlueMatt> Ill sell btc for 5 euro
2161 2011-02-24 16:04:49 <UukGoblin> !!!!11oneone
2162 2011-02-24 16:04:59 <edcba> UukGoblin: no since i can find them cheaper elsewhere :)
2163 2011-02-24 16:05:01 <nanotube> i'll sell for 4 euro!!
2164 2011-02-24 16:05:07 <UukGoblin> 3.99!!
2165 2011-02-24 16:05:10 <void_> i will sell them for 3,50
2166 2011-02-24 16:05:11 * UukGoblin yawns
2167 2011-02-24 16:05:13 <nanotube> 3.98!
2168 2011-02-24 16:05:15 <nanotube> haha
2169 2011-02-24 16:05:21 <BlueMatt> 3.49999999
2170 2011-02-24 16:05:22 <edcba> there is bitcoin-otc for that :)
2171 2011-02-24 16:05:23 * nanotube watches the bidding go down to .7
2172 2011-02-24 16:06:12 <void_> oke 7,50 right
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2174 2011-02-24 16:11:23 <genjix> UukGoblin: i dont get it... i just checked out mongodb and it sounds kind of cool.
2175 2011-02-24 16:12:20 <UukGoblin> genjix, it's... funny... sometimes ;-]
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2177 2011-02-24 16:13:12 <[Noodles]> is there something wrong with -testnet (the new one)? i get >50% invalid or stale/Not accepted hashes, never seen that many ever before
2178 2011-02-24 16:13:19 <BlueMatt> UukGoblin: what I feel like every other day
2179 2011-02-24 16:13:38 <[Noodles]> no matter what miner, even on CPUs
2180 2011-02-24 16:14:11 * Kiba ordered a domain and a host in bitcoin
2181 2011-02-24 16:14:25 <BlueMatt> Kiba: which site did you buy from?
2182 2011-02-24 16:14:40 <Kiba> kalyhost.com
2183 2011-02-24 16:16:38 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,estimate
2184 2011-02-24 16:16:39 <gribble> 51698.46598295
2185 2011-02-24 16:17:19 <Kiba> that's a rather steep increase
2186 2011-02-24 16:19:54 <gasteve> when you backup you wallet...is it only necessary to backup wallet.dat?
2187 2011-02-24 16:20:04 <gasteve> or do you need to backup the entire data directory?
2188 2011-02-24 16:20:15 <Blitzboom> only wallet.dat
2189 2011-02-24 16:20:24 <gasteve> (I assume much of the other data in the directory is related to the block chain)
2190 2011-02-24 16:20:26 <Blitzboom> your private keys are in there
2191 2011-02-24 16:20:38 <Blitzboom> yes, right. the blocks can be re-downloaded
2192 2011-02-24 16:20:38 <BlueMatt> gasteve: that would be correct
2193 2011-02-24 16:20:38 <gasteve> thanks
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2196 2011-02-24 16:24:35 <Kiba> so folks..who want to advertise in bitcoinweekly.com next week?
2197 2011-02-24 16:24:48 <edcba> nobody ?
2198 2011-02-24 16:25:02 <Kiba> edcba: that's my magazine...
2199 2011-02-24 16:25:18 <edcba> how much do you pay for me to advertise ? :)
2200 2011-02-24 16:25:49 <Kiba> it's not free
2201 2011-02-24 16:25:51 <BlueMatt> wait, so you want people to advertise on a site which doesnt exist?
2202 2011-02-24 16:26:50 <Kiba> BlueMatt: my magazine is moving to a new home yet again
2203 2011-02-24 16:26:56 <Kiba> Nefario, my editor, left
2204 2011-02-24 16:27:22 <Kiba> so I am reorganizing my magazine, which exists for three weeks
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2206 2011-02-24 16:29:38 <genjix> MT`AwAy: do you need web design still?
2207 2011-02-24 16:30:03 <Kiba> genjix desperate for work, eh?
2208 2011-02-24 16:30:39 <mekel> is bitcoin really cpu demanding on linux? even if ur gpu mining
2209 2011-02-24 16:31:19 <BlueMatt> if you are gpu mining, no not at all
2210 2011-02-24 16:31:30 <BlueMatt> if you are cpu mining, yea it uses 100%, as its designed to do
2211 2011-02-24 16:31:32 <mekel> really od d then
2212 2011-02-24 16:31:35 <mekel> im not
2213 2011-02-24 16:32:58 <[Noodles]> what miner?
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2215 2011-02-24 16:33:30 <mekel> diablo
2216 2011-02-24 16:33:33 * Kiba have no idea on how to use point his domain to the VPS server he's using
2217 2011-02-24 16:33:43 <mekel> xorg is takin up 100% cpu
2218 2011-02-24 16:33:49 <mekel> is that diablo?
2219 2011-02-24 16:34:11 <MT`AwAy> genjix: always
2220 2011-02-24 16:34:13 <[Noodles]> see? diablo or rather it's java instance also needs some CPU on my setups, poclbm doesnt
2221 2011-02-24 16:34:30 <mekel> dude diablo is raping my cpu
2222 2011-02-24 16:34:42 <mekel> or java which evr it is
2223 2011-02-24 16:34:43 <mekel> is there a way to fix?
2224 2011-02-24 16:34:58 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: how do I point my domain to the VPS I ordered from you?
2225 2011-02-24 16:35:04 <mekel> damn my shit just ovr heated
2226 2011-02-24 16:35:12 <BlueMatt> lol, it shouldnt
2227 2011-02-24 16:35:20 <mekel> it was the cpu
2228 2011-02-24 16:35:25 <afed_> gavinandresen: thx
2229 2011-02-24 16:35:55 <BlueMatt> try ./DiabloMiner... with -f 120 and -w something smaller than the default work size
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2234 2011-02-24 16:36:21 <mekel> damn
2235 2011-02-24 16:36:27 <mekel> i dnt wanna lower my work size lol
2236 2011-02-24 16:36:36 <mekel> can i keep it as high as i want with poc?
2237 2011-02-24 16:36:49 <xelister> ArtForz: which cooling is better:  http://multimedia.agito.pl/image/700x700/0/karty-graficzne/gigabyte-radeon-hd-5870-oc-1gb-ddr5-pci-e-box.253814.2.jpg  or  http://image.ceneo.pl/data/products/10012736/product.jpg
2238 2011-02-24 16:37:28 <BlueMatt> mekel its the same thing, just different language and some tweaks
2239 2011-02-24 16:37:35 <mekel> o rly
2240 2011-02-24 16:37:40 <BlueMatt> mekel: did you get desktop lag when x was eating your cpu?
2241 2011-02-24 16:37:46 <mekel> well all i kno is poc didnt rape my cpu b4
2242 2011-02-24 16:37:50 <mekel> yes
2243 2011-02-24 16:38:02 <BlueMatt> then try a different -f
2244 2011-02-24 16:38:16 <BlueMatt> diablo uses a slightly modified kernel from m0m's poc
2245 2011-02-24 16:38:19 <mekel> when a computer ovr heats how long b4 u turn it bak on
2246 2011-02-24 16:38:37 <BlueMatt> the difference is that poc is python and diablo is java
2247 2011-02-24 16:38:45 <mekel> hm
2248 2011-02-24 16:38:51 <BlueMatt> but thats just the stuff that gets the kernel onto the gpu
2249 2011-02-24 16:39:03 <mekel> right
2250 2011-02-24 16:39:07 <mekel> so id prolly lag either way
2251 2011-02-24 16:39:11 <mekel> ?
2252 2011-02-24 16:39:13 * xelister waves @ mekel
2253 2011-02-24 16:39:18 <BlueMatt> if you are using the same -f and -w
2254 2011-02-24 16:39:19 <mekel> hey xel
2255 2011-02-24 16:39:22 <BlueMatt> both have the options
2256 2011-02-24 16:39:24 <mekel> i got my card working
2257 2011-02-24 16:39:27 <mekel> but i just ovr heated
2258 2011-02-24 16:39:40 <BlueMatt> and how did it overheat
2259 2011-02-24 16:39:47 <BlueMatt> if you have a decent cooler it should never do that
2260 2011-02-24 16:39:57 <BlueMatt> unless you are ocing too far, in which case turn it down!
2261 2011-02-24 16:40:10 <mekel> i do not hav a decent cooler
2262 2011-02-24 16:40:24 <BlueMatt> then downclock and turn the fans all the way up
2263 2011-02-24 16:40:27 <mekel> i hav a cpu fan just casually resting on top of the cpu
2264 2011-02-24 16:40:47 <BlueMatt> NEVER DO THAT
2265 2011-02-24 16:40:50 <BlueMatt> terrible idea
2266 2011-02-24 16:40:54 <mekel> lol
2267 2011-02-24 16:40:54 <BlueMatt> terrible, terrible thing
2268 2011-02-24 16:40:59 <mekel> what do u reccomend
2269 2011-02-24 16:41:07 <BlueMatt> get some artic silver and attach it
2270 2011-02-24 16:41:17 <mekel> where do i get that
2271 2011-02-24 16:41:39 <BlueMatt> newegg, amazon, wherever you want
2272 2011-02-24 16:41:47 <mekel> damn i dnt feel like waiting
2273 2011-02-24 16:41:50 <BlueMatt> but for now, just atleast attach it to the mobo
2274 2011-02-24 16:41:50 <mekel> any bettr ideas?
2275 2011-02-24 16:42:01 <mekel> mmm it wont exactly attach
2276 2011-02-24 16:42:05 <mekel> its sort of ment for a diff mobo
2277 2011-02-24 16:42:11 <BlueMatt> then get a new cooler
2278 2011-02-24 16:42:15 <BlueMatt> dude that is a terrible idea
2279 2011-02-24 16:42:30 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: easiest is to use our zone, if you're unsure, you can use the contact form, give the domain & the vps ip and I'll set it up for you
2280 2011-02-24 16:42:30 <BlueMatt> never run a cpu w/o a cooler it will overheat and hurt the cpu
2281 2011-02-24 16:42:53 <mekel> meh
2282 2011-02-24 16:43:02 <BlueMatt> what kind of temps are you getting at idle?
2283 2011-02-24 16:43:04 <mekel> can u check cpu temp in linux?
2284 2011-02-24 16:43:11 <BlueMatt> sensors
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2286 2011-02-24 16:43:27 <BlueMatt> you might have to do sensors-detect first
2287 2011-02-24 16:43:32 <mekel> how
2288 2011-02-24 16:43:52 <BlueMatt> in terminal, run sensors
2289 2011-02-24 16:44:01 <BlueMatt> if you dont get anything run sudo sensors-detect first
2290 2011-02-24 16:44:31 <mekel> core0 temp: 48.0 C
2291 2011-02-24 16:44:38 <mekel> core1 temp: 45 c
2292 2011-02-24 16:44:43 <BlueMatt> ok, well you are fine at idle
2293 2011-02-24 16:44:44 <mekel> only thing runnin is terminal
2294 2011-02-24 16:44:48 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: I'm going to sleep, it's late here in Japan
2295 2011-02-24 16:45:01 <MT`AwAy> back in ~5 hours, I'll check your mail if you sent one
2296 2011-02-24 16:45:02 <BlueMatt> how fast does it go up at load?
2297 2011-02-24 16:45:10 <mekel> what should i check load with
2298 2011-02-24 16:45:18 <BlueMatt> just run something which uses cpu
2299 2011-02-24 16:45:24 <BlueMatt> though try to limit it to 50% if you can
2300 2011-02-24 16:45:36 <BlueMatt> say bitcoin with generate on half of your cores
2301 2011-02-24 16:46:04 <mekel> ok one sec
2302 2011-02-24 16:46:24 <BlueMatt> and stop it when you see something around 80C
2303 2011-02-24 16:46:58 <BlueMatt> before you hit 80, stop it
2304 2011-02-24 16:47:40 <mekel> ok
2305 2011-02-24 16:47:49 <BlueMatt> did it take that long to hit 80?
2306 2011-02-24 16:47:54 <mekel> loading btc
2307 2011-02-24 16:47:57 <BlueMatt> oh, ok
2308 2011-02-24 16:48:58 <mekel> chillen at 67 and 58
2309 2011-02-24 16:49:05 <BlueMatt> oh, ok
2310 2011-02-24 16:49:12 <BlueMatt> then you aren't doing that bad
2311 2011-02-24 16:49:29 <mekel> its a low energy cpu
2312 2011-02-24 16:49:32 <mekel> from my shuttle
2313 2011-02-24 16:49:34 <BlueMatt> but in the future I'd leave a terminal open on the side with "watch sensors" open
2314 2011-02-24 16:49:38 <mekel> i dnt think it gets very hot
2315 2011-02-24 16:49:41 <mekel> word
2316 2011-02-24 16:49:54 <BlueMatt> yea ok a low voltage part wont make much heat
2317 2011-02-24 16:50:04 <mekel> snap im at 75 now
2318 2011-02-24 16:50:14 <BlueMatt> I'd keep it under 80
2319 2011-02-24 16:50:22 <mekel> kk
2320 2011-02-24 16:50:25 <BlueMatt> under 70 if you are running full time
2321 2011-02-24 16:50:25 <mekel> thx
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2323 2011-02-24 16:50:47 <BlueMatt> In any case, on gpu mining, you are getting 100% cpu?
2324 2011-02-24 16:50:55 <mekel> aye
2325 2011-02-24 16:51:22 <mekel> how do i make a bash env DISPLAY=:0 ./DiabloMiner-Linux.sh -u username -p password -w 64 -f 1 with that
2326 2011-02-24 16:51:26 <mekel> wat should i change my -f too
2327 2011-02-24 16:51:34 <BlueMatt> is it possible you have cpu selected as the gpu to run the miner on?
2328 2011-02-24 16:51:44 <BlueMatt> export DISPLAY=:0
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2330 2011-02-24 16:53:24 <mekel> are u tellin me blue?
2331 2011-02-24 16:53:47 <BlueMatt> do you see a line like this:
2332 2011-02-24 16:53:49 <BlueMatt> "[2/24/11 2:28:31 PM] Added GeForce GTX 260 (#1) (27 CU, local work size of 256)"
2333 2011-02-24 16:54:51 <mekel>  no but my miner isnt running
2334 2011-02-24 16:55:03 <BlueMatt> when you launch diablo, do you see a line like that
2335 2011-02-24 16:55:09 <BlueMatt> should be the second line
2336 2011-02-24 16:55:13 <mekel> how do i tell it to chek my curent directory when launching the program
2337 2011-02-24 16:55:24 <mekel> like ./ bitcoin -server?
2338 2011-02-24 16:55:31 <BlueMatt> what are you asking?
2339 2011-02-24 16:55:33 <comboy> [Noodles]: better now?
2340 2011-02-24 16:55:51 <mekel> lik im in the bitcoin.exe directory in terminal
2341 2011-02-24 16:55:56 <comboy> oops, scroll
2342 2011-02-24 16:56:14 <BlueMatt> then just ./bitcoin
2343 2011-02-24 16:56:15 <[Noodles]> huh?
2344 2011-02-24 16:56:15 <mekel> bitcoin -server& isnt makin it run becuz im in the same directory, lik linux wont check the directory ur in for security purposes when runnin programs or w/e
2345 2011-02-24 16:56:17 <mekel> kk
2346 2011-02-24 16:56:30 <mekel> thank jooo
2347 2011-02-24 16:58:29 <mekel> wat should i make the -f
2348 2011-02-24 16:58:41 <mekel> and if u wanna kno wat  card im runnin blu its the 6950
2349 2011-02-24 16:58:54 <BlueMatt> do you see a line like the one pasted above
2350 2011-02-24 16:59:02 <BlueMatt> (without bothering to set -f or -w)
2351 2011-02-24 16:59:33 <mekel> not sure hold on
2352 2011-02-24 16:59:50 <mekel> no i dnt see any line lik that
2353 2011-02-24 16:59:59 <mekel> but im only doin lik 4500 khashes with no arguments
2354 2011-02-24 17:00:15 <luke-jr> 4500 sounds like a CPU
2355 2011-02-24 17:00:15 <BlueMatt> it looks like your miner is actually running on the cpu
2356 2011-02-24 17:00:17 <mekel> cpu is fine
2357 2011-02-24 17:00:23 <mekel> no its comin from the console
2358 2011-02-24 17:00:26 <luke-jr> ………..
2359 2011-02-24 17:00:29 <BlueMatt> the miner is running on the cpu, not on the gpu
2360 2011-02-24 17:00:34 <mekel> o_O
2361 2011-02-24 17:01:07 <mekel> i was gettin in the 200,000s i thot b4  tho
2362 2011-02-24 17:01:12 <mekel> with arguements
2363 2011-02-24 17:01:49 <mekel> plus when i ran it with cpu with one core the temp was gettin hotter
2364 2011-02-24 17:01:53 <mekel> the temp is stayin at 42
2365 2011-02-24 17:03:03 <BlueMatt> what were the args you ran with last time?
2366 2011-02-24 17:03:15 <mekel> -w 64 -f 1
2367 2011-02-24 17:03:28 <BlueMatt> run with -f of like 100
2368 2011-02-24 17:03:31 <mekel> ok
2369 2011-02-24 17:03:51 <BlueMatt> now?
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2371 2011-02-24 17:03:57 <mekel> one sec
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2373 2011-02-24 17:04:09 <mekel> same khashes
2374 2011-02-24 17:04:17 <BlueMatt> so its still running on cpu
2375 2011-02-24 17:04:30 <mekel> i dnt think it is tho
2376 2011-02-24 17:04:36 <mekel> cuz the temp is so low..
2377 2011-02-24 17:04:45 <mekel> when i only ran bitcoin with one cpu it raised the temp to 70
2378 2011-02-24 17:04:52 <mekel> its at 42
2379 2011-02-24 17:04:59 <mekel> ryt?
2380 2011-02-24 17:04:59 <BlueMatt> ok, so maybe not
2381 2011-02-24 17:05:07 <mekel> ya i dnt think so
2382 2011-02-24 17:05:11 <BlueMatt> but you are only getting 4500 khash?
2383 2011-02-24 17:05:15 <mekel> yah
2384 2011-02-24 17:05:18 <mekel> wats -f 100
2385 2011-02-24 17:05:28 <BlueMatt> "target execution timing"
2386 2011-02-24 17:05:35 <mekel> o
2387 2011-02-24 17:05:35 <BlueMatt> it helps with desktop lag and x cpu usage
2388 2011-02-24 17:05:43 <mekel> so at 100 wahts that do
2389 2011-02-24 17:05:50 <BlueMatt> can you run diablo with -d and paste the stuff from the beginning?
2390 2011-02-24 17:06:02 <mekel> hm
2391 2011-02-24 17:06:03 <BlueMatt> tries to get 100 kernel runs per second
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2393 2011-02-24 17:06:12 <mekel> but it is not?
2394 2011-02-24 17:06:24 <mekel> whats -w 64 mean
2395 2011-02-24 17:06:28 <BlueMatt> work size
2396 2011-02-24 17:06:34 <BlueMatt> can you run with -d?
2397 2011-02-24 17:06:39 <BlueMatt> ie debug
2398 2011-02-24 17:06:42 <mekel> yea hold on
2399 2011-02-24 17:06:53 <mekel> - s -d?
2400 2011-02-24 17:07:10 <BlueMatt> Diablo-Miner.sh -whatever you had earlier -d
2401 2011-02-24 17:08:03 <mekel> im getting some unauthorized errors
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2403 2011-02-24 17:08:14 <BlueMatt> paste them to pastie?
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2408 2011-02-24 17:10:17 <mekel> ok whats pastie
2409 2011-02-24 17:10:29 <BlueMatt> go to pastie.org and paste the errors
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2411 2011-02-24 17:12:20 <mekel> http://pastie.org/1602805
2412 2011-02-24 17:13:00 <mekel> and at the end of that huge error
2413 2011-02-24 17:13:03 <mekel> it displays my khashs
2414 2011-02-24 17:13:14 <mekel> ftw
2415 2011-02-24 17:13:22 <BlueMatt> you are not properly connecting to a bitcoin daemon
2416 2011-02-24 17:13:28 <mekel> hmmm
2417 2011-02-24 17:13:33 <mekel> is it my username or pw?
2418 2011-02-24 17:13:39 <BlueMatt> ie run bitcoind -rpcuser=user -rpcpassword=pass -rpcallowip=127.0.0.1 first
2419 2011-02-24 17:13:48 <BlueMatt> then run DiabloMiner with the same user and pass
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2421 2011-02-24 17:15:29 <mekel> k runnin the cmd
2422 2011-02-24 17:15:37 <mekel> so once i start it up lik that
2423 2011-02-24 17:15:42 <mekel> i can run diablo?
2424 2011-02-24 17:15:50 <BlueMatt> yea
2425 2011-02-24 17:15:55 <BlueMatt> either bitcoind or bitcoin
2426 2011-02-24 17:15:58 <mekel> do i need to do that evrytime?
2427 2011-02-24 17:16:01 <BlueMatt> bitcoin with a -server
2428 2011-02-24 17:16:04 <BlueMatt> yea
2429 2011-02-24 17:16:07 <mekel> o
2430 2011-02-24 17:16:19 <mekel> how do i make a bash to do that
2431 2011-02-24 17:16:29 <BlueMatt> #!/bin/sh
2432 2011-02-24 17:16:40 <mekel> type that in?
2433 2011-02-24 17:17:13 <mekel> so i ran bitcoind with the args and it says bitcoin server starting and its been stuk there
2434 2011-02-24 17:17:18 <mekel> no btc window
2435 2011-02-24 17:17:20 <BlueMatt> wtf
2436 2011-02-24 17:17:25 <BlueMatt>  /location/to/bitcoind -rpcuser=user -rpcpassword=pass -rpcallowip=127.0.0.1
2437 2011-02-24 17:17:27 <BlueMatt> my bad
2438 2011-02-24 17:17:33 <BlueMatt> yea
2439 2011-02-24 17:17:38 <BlueMatt> if you run bitcoind there is no window
2440 2011-02-24 17:17:43 <mekel> i did ./bitcoind
2441 2011-02-24 17:17:47 <BlueMatt> if you run bitcoin with -server there is a window
2442 2011-02-24 17:17:47 <mekel> oo
2443 2011-02-24 17:18:04 <mekel> well ill try the diablo then
2444 2011-02-24 17:19:03 <BlueMatt> http://pastie.org/1602837
2445 2011-02-24 17:19:08 <BlueMatt> theres a sh script for you
2446 2011-02-24 17:19:19 <BlueMatt> just put that in a file
2447 2011-02-24 17:19:22 <BlueMatt> chmox +x the file
2448 2011-02-24 17:19:30 <BlueMatt> then ./file to run the file
2449 2011-02-24 17:20:15 <mekel> thanks
2450 2011-02-24 17:20:26 <BlueMatt> obviously replacing /locations/ with the right locations and the XXXs with -f and -w values that you want to use
2451 2011-02-24 17:20:43 <mekel> still gettin that error
2452 2011-02-24 17:21:02 <BlueMatt> paste the command that you are calling (exacly as it is entered)
2453 2011-02-24 17:21:10 <BlueMatt> on here is fine if its just one line
2454 2011-02-24 17:21:38 <mekel> env DISPLAY=:0 ./DiabloMiner-Linux.sh -u username -p password -w 64 -f 100
2455 2011-02-24 17:21:49 <mekel> in the bitcoind -u -p command
2456 2011-02-24 17:22:04 <mekel> am  isupposed to put a space after -u= username, or is it -u=username
2457 2011-02-24 17:22:10 <BlueMatt> add -o 127.0.0.1 to diablominer
2458 2011-02-24 17:22:15 <mekel> kk
2459 2011-02-24 17:22:36 <mekel> where, anywher?
2460 2011-02-24 17:23:19 <BlueMatt> env DISPLAY=:0 ./DiabloMiner-Linux.sh -u username -p password -w 64 -f 100 -o 127.0.0.1
2461 2011-02-24 17:24:03 <mekel> failed to communicate in bitcoin blah blah
2462 2011-02-24 17:24:04 <BlueMatt> bitcoind should be called like it apperas in the pastie ie bitcoind -rpcuser=user -rpcpassword=pass -rpcallowip=127.0.0.1 -server
2463 2011-02-24 17:24:08 <mekel> unauthorized
2464 2011-02-24 17:24:11 <BlueMatt> or bitcoin
2465 2011-02-24 17:24:43 <mekel> hm
2466 2011-02-24 17:24:57 <BlueMatt> can you paste how you called bitcoin as well?
2467 2011-02-24 17:25:08 <mekel> uuuuuuhm
2468 2011-02-24 17:25:10 <mekel> yeah
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2470 2011-02-24 17:27:19 <mekel> ./bitcoind -rcpuser=username -rcppassword=password -rcpallow=127.0.0.1
2471 2011-02-24 17:29:25 <BlueMatt> and you still get the errors that appeared at the beginning?
2472 2011-02-24 17:30:03 <mekel> i wil ltry this bash hold on
2473 2011-02-24 17:30:12 <BlueMatt> wont be any different
2474 2011-02-24 17:30:14 <mekel> do i save it as .sh?
2475 2011-02-24 17:30:33 <mekel> eeh it will atleast make getting the error to show up easier
2476 2011-02-24 17:30:36 <mekel> typin in those lines is annoyin
2477 2011-02-24 17:30:49 <BlueMatt> save it as what you like, I prefer .sh
2478 2011-02-24 17:31:44 <mekel> kk
2479 2011-02-24 17:33:11 <mekel> is there suposed to be a cd b4 this /location/to/bitcoin -server -rpcallowip=127.0.0.1 -rpcuser=user -rpcpassword=pass
2480 2011-02-24 17:33:52 <BlueMatt> you dont have to
2481 2011-02-24 17:34:03 <mekel> k
2482 2011-02-24 17:34:06 <mekel> how do i make it run again
2483 2011-02-24 17:34:13 <BlueMatt> chmod +x the file
2484 2011-02-24 17:34:17 <mekel> k
2485 2011-02-24 17:34:18 <BlueMatt> then ./filename.sh
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2487 2011-02-24 17:35:52 <mekel> ok im runnin the bash
2488 2011-02-24 17:36:01 <mekel> ERROR: Cant connect to bitcoin: Connection Refused
2489 2011-02-24 17:36:05 <mekel> 4500khashes
2490 2011-02-24 17:36:15 <BlueMatt> ok kill it with cntrl-C
2491 2011-02-24 17:36:22 <mekel> kk
2492 2011-02-24 17:36:40 <mekel> am i suppoed to make an actual account somewhere
2493 2011-02-24 17:36:43 <mekel> with a username and pw?
2494 2011-02-24 17:36:44 <BlueMatt> no
2495 2011-02-24 17:36:46 <mekel> kk
2496 2011-02-24 17:36:58 <BlueMatt> can you run just the bitcoin process with -server -rpc.....
2497 2011-02-24 17:37:21 <mekel> hm
2498 2011-02-24 17:37:22 <mekel> il ltry
2499 2011-02-24 17:37:34 <Syke> the un/pw needs to match what you put into bitcoin.conf
2500 2011-02-24 17:37:53 <BlueMatt> unless he runs bitcoin w/o a bitcoin.conf and specifies them with -rpcuser...
2501 2011-02-24 17:38:12 <Syke> ooh, that must be new
2502 2011-02-24 17:38:14 <mekel> do u think its my config file?
2503 2011-02-24 17:38:26 <BlueMatt> do you even have one?
2504 2011-02-24 17:38:30 <mekel> yes
2505 2011-02-24 17:38:40 <BlueMatt> can you pastie it?
2506 2011-02-24 17:38:58 <mekel> rpcuser=
2507 2011-02-24 17:39:01 <mekel> rpcpassword=
2508 2011-02-24 17:39:07 <mekel> with my user and pw
2509 2011-02-24 17:39:27 <BlueMatt> IIRC the bitcoin.conf will override the command line user and pass
2510 2011-02-24 17:39:39 <BlueMatt> which means what you call diablo with needs to match what you put in bitcoin.conf
2511 2011-02-24 17:39:46 <mekel> oh shit
2512 2011-02-24 17:39:49 <mekel> i think  i just found my problem
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2514 2011-02-24 17:41:00 <mekel> nope nvm
2515 2011-02-24 17:41:06 <mekel> i was typin the wrong pw in
2516 2011-02-24 17:41:09 <mekel> but still getting smae error
2517 2011-02-24 17:41:42 <BlueMatt> can you just rm ~/.bitcoin/bitcoin.conf
2518 2011-02-24 17:41:51 <BlueMatt> and just run it without the conf file
2519 2011-02-24 17:42:13 <mekel> ok
2520 2011-02-24 17:42:15 <mekel> i did so
2521 2011-02-24 17:42:19 <mekel> still getting error
2522 2011-02-24 17:42:57 <BlueMatt> the user/password used in Diablo is the same as the one in -rpcuser= and -rpcpassword=
2523 2011-02-24 17:42:58 <BlueMatt> right?
2524 2011-02-24 17:43:42 <mekel> yes
2525 2011-02-24 17:44:17 <BlueMatt> after opening bitcoin, can you call sudo netstat -pln
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2527 2011-02-24 17:45:06 <mekel> pastie.org/1602936
2528 2011-02-24 17:45:17 <mekel> ya one sec
2529 2011-02-24 17:45:42 <BlueMatt> without the cd on the second line
2530 2011-02-24 17:45:49 <BlueMatt> that will keep bitcoin from even starting
2531 2011-02-24 17:45:59 <mekel> take out cd on second line?
2532 2011-02-24 17:45:59 <BlueMatt> and run a killall bitcoin and killall bitcoind before running it again
2533 2011-02-24 17:46:14 <BlueMatt> the cd before /home/mi.../bitcoin
2534 2011-02-24 17:46:28 <mekel> kk
2535 2011-02-24 17:47:14 <mekel> is that bash running the right bitcoin?
2536 2011-02-24 17:47:42 <BlueMatt> dont know what you are asking
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2538 2011-02-24 17:47:57 <mekel> alright
2539 2011-02-24 17:48:01 <mekel> sooo anyways
2540 2011-02-24 17:48:05 <mekel> bitcoin started this time
2541 2011-02-24 17:48:10 <mekel> but i dont see a console showin me my khashes
2542 2011-02-24 17:48:19 <BlueMatt> did it not open diablo?
2543 2011-02-24 17:48:24 <mekel> xorg is running when i do top tho
2544 2011-02-24 17:48:27 <mekel> i dont see it
2545 2011-02-24 17:48:33 <Syke> the bitcoin window won't show the khashes
2546 2011-02-24 17:48:47 <mekel> i know but the console window didnt show up
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2548 2011-02-24 17:48:52 <BlueMatt> the terminal window should
2549 2011-02-24 17:48:58 <mekel> no terminal
2550 2011-02-24 17:49:09 <BlueMatt> are you not running the program in terminal instead of clicking it?
2551 2011-02-24 17:49:15 <mekel> hm no
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2553 2011-02-24 17:50:23 <mekel> ok started the bash from console
2554 2011-02-24 17:50:28 <mekel> opened the bitcoin program
2555 2011-02-24 17:50:31 <mekel> consoles not doin aynthing
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2558 2011-02-24 17:51:11 <BlueMatt> can you open a terminal, then do a killall bitcoin; killall bitcoind; cat thefile.sh, then run the file.sh then copy paste every bit of output from that till the end and paste it
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2560 2011-02-24 17:51:37 <mekel> whats cat do
2561 2011-02-24 17:51:45 <BlueMatt> show the contents of the file
2562 2011-02-24 17:52:22 <mekel> k sec
2563 2011-02-24 17:54:08 <nanotube> mekel: don't believe him. man cat. :)
2564 2011-02-24 17:54:19 <mekel> whut
2565 2011-02-24 17:54:40 <nanotube> (he's not lying to you this time - but generally, don't believe people about commands without checking yoruself)
2566 2011-02-24 17:54:55 <mekel> o
2567 2011-02-24 17:54:57 <BlueMatt> rm -rf /
2568 2011-02-24 17:55:03 <BlueMatt> thats a fun one to try to run :)
2569 2011-02-24 17:55:03 <mekel> nevr do rm
2570 2011-02-24 17:55:08 <mekel> thats all i kno
2571 2011-02-24 17:55:08 <nanotube> otherwise, you can fall victim to "run rm -rf / file" "what's that do" "oh just shows the file"
2572 2011-02-24 17:55:17 <nanotube> heh
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2574 2011-02-24 17:56:40 <mekel> pastie.org/1602970
2575 2011-02-24 17:58:18 <mekel> the gpu miner isnt even startin up
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2577 2011-02-24 18:02:11 <mekel> Bluematt: you there>
2578 2011-02-24 18:05:19 <mrb_> 03:28 < andrew12> what does he give you if you buy it? teh src?! :p
2579 2011-02-24 18:05:19 <mrb_> 03:28 < sipa> no
2580 2011-02-24 18:05:24 <mrb_> yes I do give out the source code
2581 2011-02-24 18:05:28 <mrb_> for 400 BTC
2582 2011-02-24 18:05:29 <BlueMatt> 1 sec
2583 2011-02-24 18:05:46 <mekel> kk
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2585 2011-02-24 18:06:28 <BlueMatt> the second cd was still needed
2586 2011-02-24 18:06:30 <luke-jr> mrb_: for?
2587 2011-02-24 18:06:42 <BlueMatt> the first line shoudl read
2588 2011-02-24 18:06:42 <BlueMatt> /home/michael/bitcoin/bin/32/bitcoin -server -rpcallowip=127.0.0.1 -rpcuser=xxx -rpcpassword=rxxx
2589 2011-02-24 18:06:49 <mrb_> for my miner using BFI_INT
2590 2011-02-24 18:06:53 <BlueMatt> the second line should be a cd to the location of the Diablo script
2591 2011-02-24 18:07:00 <BlueMatt> the third one should be ./Diablo...
2592 2011-02-24 18:07:01 <mekel> oops
2593 2011-02-24 18:07:25 <luke-jr> mrb_: wtf is BFI_INT?
2594 2011-02-24 18:07:53 <BlueMatt> his miner gets a bit closer to the hardware which gives a small performance boost
2595 2011-02-24 18:08:08 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: my interest is whether it can work without proprietary blobs
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2597 2011-02-24 18:08:24 <BlueMatt> Art's miner does it
2598 2011-02-24 18:08:31 <BlueMatt> his just is private to art's hardware
2599 2011-02-24 18:08:55 <mekel> http://pastie.org/1603028
2600 2011-02-24 18:09:06 <BlueMatt> yea looks good
2601 2011-02-24 18:09:16 <mekel> dnt hate me thats how it was arleady
2602 2011-02-24 18:09:16 <BlueMatt> now just killall bitcoin; killall bitcoind; ./miner.sh
2603 2011-02-24 18:09:18 <BlueMatt> and paste it
2604 2011-02-24 18:09:20 <mekel> i pasted it bad some how
2605 2011-02-24 18:10:02 <mrb_> luke-jr: a powerful instruction that I also used in another project of mine: http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=43
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2609 2011-02-24 18:11:16 <luke-jr> mrb_: does it work with open source drivers?
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2613 2011-02-24 18:11:30 <mekel> bluematt: it still only opens bitcoin
2614 2011-02-24 18:11:36 <luke-jr> Jeroenz0r: fix your client
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2616 2011-02-24 18:12:14 <BlueMatt> mekel: are you sure you have the right directory which diablo miner is in?
2617 2011-02-24 18:12:16 <mekel> do u think its just mining in the background?
2618 2011-02-24 18:12:21 <BlueMatt> no
2619 2011-02-24 18:12:23 <Jeroenz0r> luke-jr; Its fine
2620 2011-02-24 18:12:26 <mekel> hm
2621 2011-02-24 18:12:28 <Jeroenz0r> luke-jr;  i ahd updates :P
2622 2011-02-24 18:12:29 <BlueMatt> oh wait...
2623 2011-02-24 18:12:39 <BlueMatt> my bad put a & after the line which calls bitcoin
2624 2011-02-24 18:12:41 <BlueMatt> my bad...
2625 2011-02-24 18:12:42 <BlueMatt> oops
2626 2011-02-24 18:12:48 <BlueMatt> I was thinking it was still bitcoind
2627 2011-02-24 18:12:52 <mekel> lawl
2628 2011-02-24 18:12:56 <luke-jr> Jeroenz0r: it isn't fine, it autojoins before it logs in
2629 2011-02-24 18:13:13 <BlueMatt> mrb_ do you have any benches?
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2633 2011-02-24 18:13:41 <Jeroenz0r> herp
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2635 2011-02-24 18:13:49 <mekel> bak to getting cant connect
2636 2011-02-24 18:13:54 <mekel> connection refused
2637 2011-02-24 18:13:55 <mekel> but bitcoin is showing up now
2638 2011-02-24 18:13:59 <Jeroenz0r> oh wow
2639 2011-02-24 18:14:00 <Jeroenz0r> hmm
2640 2011-02-24 18:14:37 <mekel> do u think i need to forward 3338?
2641 2011-02-24 18:14:49 <BlueMatt> mekel: no
2642 2011-02-24 18:14:55 <mekel> k
2643 2011-02-24 18:15:02 <BlueMatt> if its 127.0.0.1 its not a port problem
2644 2011-02-24 18:15:07 <mekel> tru that
2645 2011-02-24 18:15:17 <BlueMatt> if you have a firewall on localhost, then, well wtf
2646 2011-02-24 18:15:40 <BlueMatt> can you run the sudo netstat -lnp after opening bitcoin in one terminal?
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2648 2011-02-24 18:15:48 <luke-jr> mrb_: …
2649 2011-02-24 18:15:55 <nanotube> the port is 8333 not 3338
2650 2011-02-24 18:16:17 <luke-jr> lol
2651 2011-02-24 18:16:20 <mekel> well
2652 2011-02-24 18:16:31 <mekel> i dnno
2653 2011-02-24 18:16:35 <mekel> fresh install of ubuntu
2654 2011-02-24 18:16:40 <mekel> i will do sudo netstat hang on
2655 2011-02-24 18:18:54 <mekel> http://pastie.org/1603067
2656 2011-02-24 18:19:23 <BlueMatt> ok, bitcoin isnt listening for rpc stuffs
2657 2011-02-24 18:19:36 <mekel> is it not in server mode
2658 2011-02-24 18:19:39 <BlueMatt> which means there is no -server and -rpcallowip=127.0.0.1
2659 2011-02-24 18:19:46 <mekel> hm
2660 2011-02-24 18:20:16 <BlueMatt> both of those should follow bitcoin on the first code line in the script
2661 2011-02-24 18:21:03 <mekel> alright
2662 2011-02-24 18:21:04 <mekel> im lookin now
2663 2011-02-24 18:21:12 <mekel> its sayin -server not found
2664 2011-02-24 18:21:23 <BlueMatt> on the line which calls bitcoin
2665 2011-02-24 18:21:28 <mekel> yah
2666 2011-02-24 18:21:36 <BlueMatt> one of the options should be -server and another should be -rpcallowip=127.0.0.1
2667 2011-02-24 18:22:23 <mekel> any ideas then?
2668 2011-02-24 18:22:34 <mekel> i could use bitcoind instead?
2669 2011-02-24 18:22:39 <BlueMatt> yea
2670 2011-02-24 18:22:41 <BlueMatt> try that
2671 2011-02-24 18:22:50 <mekel> same cmd just bitcoind?
2672 2011-02-24 18:22:55 <BlueMatt> though if it doesnt listen for rpc with -server and -rpcallowip im not sure whats going on
2673 2011-02-24 18:22:58 <BlueMatt> yea same command
2674 2011-02-24 18:23:08 <BlueMatt> uh, same params
2675 2011-02-24 18:23:34 <mekel> ok
2676 2011-02-24 18:23:36 <mekel> no errors now
2677 2011-02-24 18:23:45 <mekel> but im only gettin 3000khashes
2678 2011-02-24 18:23:57 <BlueMatt> is it on your cpu?
2679 2011-02-24 18:24:00 <mekel> no
2680 2011-02-24 18:24:01 <BlueMatt> ie cpu load 100%
2681 2011-02-24 18:24:04 <mekel> no
2682 2011-02-24 18:24:21 <BlueMatt> are you getting desktop lag/high x cpu usage?
2683 2011-02-24 18:24:25 <mekel> cpu load is lik 15
2684 2011-02-24 18:24:26 <mekel> nope
2685 2011-02-24 18:24:41 <Syke> what's the command line for diablo?
2686 2011-02-24 18:24:50 <mekel> that im usin?
2687 2011-02-24 18:24:53 <Syke> y
2688 2011-02-24 18:24:54 <BlueMatt> ok so now decrease the -f
2689 2011-02-24 18:25:04 <BlueMatt> until you get unacceptable desktop lag
2690 2011-02-24 18:25:10 <mrb_> luke-jr: I have not tried hdminer with open source drivers
2691 2011-02-24 18:25:12 <BlueMatt> by then your khashes should be better
2692 2011-02-24 18:25:29 <BlueMatt> mrb_ what kind of performance does it give you?
2693 2011-02-24 18:25:35 <Syke> try "-f 1" to see if you have it running right
2694 2011-02-24 18:25:46 <mrb_> BlueMatt: 570 Mhash/s on HD 5970
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2698 2011-02-24 18:26:03 <BlueMatt> I think -f killed his computer w/ 100% x cpu usage and gpu heat == overheat on a poorly cooled computer
2699 2011-02-24 18:26:03 <mrb_> I know the open source miners are very close. I plan to work on some optimizations to reach 600+ Mhash/s
2700 2011-02-24 18:26:23 <mrb_> I am heading out for the day now, bye
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2702 2011-02-24 18:26:46 <mekel> ./DiabloMiner-Linux.sh -u xxx -p xxx -o 127.0.0.1 -f 75 -w 64
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2706 2011-02-24 18:27:37 <mekel> ok
2707 2011-02-24 18:27:38 <mekel> its at 1
2708 2011-02-24 18:27:45 <mekel> and im pushin 150,000
2709 2011-02-24 18:27:50 <mekel> cpu load is minimal!!
2710 2011-02-24 18:27:52 <mekel> :D!
2711 2011-02-24 18:28:00 <mekel> 225,000
2712 2011-02-24 18:28:02 <BlueMatt> ok so what did you do differently at first?
2713 2011-02-24 18:28:16 <mekel> i lowered the -f from 75 to 1
2714 2011-02-24 18:28:20 <mekel> and i dnt know wat i was doin originally
2715 2011-02-24 18:28:27 <mekel> mayb i was generating coins with the cpu also
2716 2011-02-24 18:28:28 <BlueMatt> At first you overheated, what was so different?
2717 2011-02-24 18:28:35 <BlueMatt> maybe, whatever atleast it works now
2718 2011-02-24 18:28:42 <BlueMatt> and you have a neat little script to get it all going :)
2719 2011-02-24 18:28:43 <mekel> indeed
2720 2011-02-24 18:28:48 <mekel> thanks man
2721 2011-02-24 18:28:50 <mekel> but
2722 2011-02-24 18:28:53 <mekel> im still gettin an error
2723 2011-02-24 18:28:58 <BlueMatt> what error?
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2725 2011-02-24 18:29:39 <mekel> ERROR: Cant connect to Bitcoin: Failed to communicate with Bitcoin{
2726 2011-02-24 18:29:48 <BlueMatt> how often?
2727 2011-02-24 18:29:54 <mekel> "result":null,"error"
2728 2011-02-24 18:29:56 <mekel> every 5 seconds
2729 2011-02-24 18:29:59 <BlueMatt> dam
2730 2011-02-24 18:30:04 <BlueMatt> then its still not connected
2731 2011-02-24 18:30:07 <mekel> F
2732 2011-02-24 18:30:20 <BlueMatt> can you give the netstat -lpn output again?
2733 2011-02-24 18:30:25 <mekel> joo no wat
2734 2011-02-24 18:30:29 <mekel> bitcoin didnt start this time
2735 2011-02-24 18:30:36 <BlueMatt> maybe sudo netstat -lpn | grep bitcoin
2736 2011-02-24 18:30:36 <mekel> unless bitcoind is silent mode
2737 2011-02-24 18:30:42 <BlueMatt> well bitcoin wont open more than once
2738 2011-02-24 18:30:59 <BlueMatt> so you should killall bitcoin; killall bitcoind before running the script
2739 2011-02-24 18:31:07 <mekel> it let me kill it
2740 2011-02-24 18:31:08 <BlueMatt> also, bitcoind wont open a window
2741 2011-02-24 18:31:09 <mekel> so it was runnin
2742 2011-02-24 18:31:10 <BlueMatt> or show anything
2743 2011-02-24 18:31:13 <mekel> yeah
2744 2011-02-24 18:31:15 <mekel> thats the problem
2745 2011-02-24 18:31:16 <mekel> lol
2746 2011-02-24 18:31:25 <mekel> how can u chek ur wallet if ur in bitcoind
2747 2011-02-24 18:31:44 <BlueMatt> to see if its running call ps aux | grep bitcoin
2748 2011-02-24 18:31:52 <BlueMatt> if you see anything besides grep bitcoin, its running
2749 2011-02-24 18:32:03 <BlueMatt> bitcoind always has a wallet in it
2750 2011-02-24 18:32:12 <BlueMatt> the one opened from ~/.bitcoin/wallet.dat
2751 2011-02-24 18:33:00 <BlueMatt> to test this, open bitcoin
2752 2011-02-24 18:33:02 <mekel> did the grep
2753 2011-02-24 18:33:07 <BlueMatt> with the options from the script
2754 2011-02-24 18:33:18 <mekel> not sure what im lookin for
2755 2011-02-24 18:33:29 <BlueMatt> then call bitcoin -rpcconnect=127.0.0.1 -rpcuser=user -rpcpassword=pass help
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2757 2011-02-24 18:33:39 <BlueMatt> if you get anything then bitcoin is working and diablo is broken
2758 2011-02-24 18:34:34 <BlueMatt> "Watson was written in mostly Java" O_o
2759 2011-02-24 18:34:48 <BlueMatt> how the hell did they get any performance out of that?
2760 2011-02-24 18:35:10 <mekel> i dnno if im doin it right
2761 2011-02-24 18:35:14 <mekel> i cd'd to whre bitcoin is
2762 2011-02-24 18:35:20 <BlueMatt> ok...
2763 2011-02-24 18:35:26 <BlueMatt> 1. cd to where bitcoin and bitcoind is
2764 2011-02-24 18:35:27 <mekel> and did ./bitcoin -rpconnect etc
2765 2011-02-24 18:35:35 <BlueMatt> 2. killall bitcoind; killall bitcoin
2766 2011-02-24 18:35:38 <mekel> and it said error method not found
2767 2011-02-24 18:35:50 <BlueMatt> 3. ./bitcoin -rpcconnect=127.0.0.1 -rpcuser=user -rpcpassword=pass help
2768 2011-02-24 18:35:54 <BlueMatt> paste the output
2769 2011-02-24 18:36:12 <mekel> error: couldnt connect to server
2770 2011-02-24 18:36:34 <BlueMatt> excuse me 2.5. open bitcoin with the parameters in the script
2771 2011-02-24 18:37:27 <mekel> k
2772 2011-02-24 18:38:04 <mekel> run the script
2773 2011-02-24 18:38:08 <mekel> or just the line for bitcoin
2774 2011-02-24 18:38:14 <BlueMatt> no just the line for bitcoin
2775 2011-02-24 18:38:17 <mekel> k
2776 2011-02-24 18:38:18 <BlueMatt> so, dont run diablo
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2778 2011-02-24 18:39:48 <mekel> http://pastie.org/1603146
2779 2011-02-24 18:40:19 <BlueMatt> can you copy the entire output from top to bottom
2780 2011-02-24 18:40:33 <BlueMatt> did you include a ; between bitcoin and -server
2781 2011-02-24 18:40:44 <mekel> no
2782 2011-02-24 18:40:49 <BlueMatt> or a new line between bitcoin and -server?
2783 2011-02-24 18:41:01 <mekel> nop4
2784 2011-02-24 18:41:02 <mekel> nop3
2785 2011-02-24 18:41:07 <BlueMatt> or an &?
2786 2011-02-24 18:41:08 <mekel> nope* :p
2787 2011-02-24 18:41:10 <mekel> yes
2788 2011-02-24 18:41:11 <mekel> &
2789 2011-02-24 18:41:21 <BlueMatt> the & should be at the very end of that line
2790 2011-02-24 18:41:33 <mekel> i did bitcoin&
2791 2011-02-24 18:41:40 <KBme> if you use server you shouldn't need &
2792 2011-02-24 18:41:44 <BlueMatt> it should be bitcoin -server -....... &
2793 2011-02-24 18:41:55 <BlueMatt> and if you use bitcoind you dont need &
2794 2011-02-24 18:42:05 <BlueMatt> if you use bitcoin -daemon you dont need &
2795 2011-02-24 18:42:09 <BlueMatt> if you use -server, IIRC you do
2796 2011-02-24 18:42:21 <KBme> oh? sorry then
2797 2011-02-24 18:42:31 <KBme> yeah, i was confuzing -daemon and -server i guess
2798 2011-02-24 18:42:58 <BlueMatt> I think so, Im not 100% sure, but IIRC -server doesnt daemonize
2799 2011-02-24 18:43:01 <mekel> so the & goes all the way at the end where rpc password is?
2800 2011-02-24 18:43:06 <BlueMatt> yea
2801 2011-02-24 18:43:09 <mekel> k
2802 2011-02-24 18:43:14 <mekel> well im gettn connection refused again
2803 2011-02-24 18:43:14 <BlueMatt> after all commands and params on that line
2804 2011-02-24 18:43:40 <BlueMatt> you have to killall ... before running
2805 2011-02-24 18:43:44 <BlueMatt> ...as always
2806 2011-02-24 18:43:58 <mekel> right
2807 2011-02-24 18:44:08 <mekel> sooo if iattach an & at the end of rcppassword
2808 2011-02-24 18:44:20 <mekel> do i do rpcpassword=xxx &
2809 2011-02-24 18:44:23 <BlueMatt> yes
2810 2011-02-24 18:44:26 <mekel> or rpcpassword=xxx&
2811 2011-02-24 18:44:30 <BlueMatt> doesnt matter
2812 2011-02-24 18:44:55 <mekel> still getting connection refused
2813 2011-02-24 18:45:05 <BlueMatt> can you cat, run and pastie
2814 2011-02-24 18:45:16 <BlueMatt> again copying everything incl commands exactly as you typed them
2815 2011-02-24 18:45:49 <mekel> yeah
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2817 2011-02-24 18:46:01 <BlueMatt> and include a sudo netstat -lnp | grep bitcoin at the end
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2819 2011-02-24 18:46:37 <mekel> with bitcoin running?
2820 2011-02-24 18:46:43 <BlueMatt> yea
2821 2011-02-24 18:47:04 <BlueMatt> netstat lists what is listening for connections, so im checking that bitcoin is even listening on 8332 (ie the rpc port)
2822 2011-02-24 18:47:13 <mekel> k
2823 2011-02-24 18:47:27 <BlueMatt> well it lists listening when you call with -l
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2825 2011-02-24 18:50:45 <mekel> nothing came up when i grepd
2826 2011-02-24 18:50:56 <BlueMatt> nothing at all?
2827 2011-02-24 18:50:59 <mekel> nope
2828 2011-02-24 18:51:02 <BlueMatt> how about skip the grep
2829 2011-02-24 18:51:05 <mekel> k
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2831 2011-02-24 18:52:05 <mekel> http://pastie.org/1603202
2832 2011-02-24 18:52:54 <mekel> do i not hav java installed or something
2833 2011-02-24 18:53:39 <Syke> it should be "bitcoind -server", not "bitcoin server"
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2835 2011-02-24 18:54:26 <Syke> - is missing
2836 2011-02-24 18:55:09 <BlueMatt> if you are using bitcoind, you can just delete the server
2837 2011-02-24 18:55:27 <mekel> hm
2838 2011-02-24 18:55:35 <BlueMatt> or put the - in, as Syke said
2839 2011-02-24 18:56:08 <mekel> ^^^
2840 2011-02-24 18:56:18 <mekel> no error this time
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2842 2011-02-24 18:56:24 <mekel> let me change the -f now
2843 2011-02-24 18:56:53 <BlueMatt> ok, so NOW its done :)
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2846 2011-02-24 18:57:30 <luke-jr> …
2847 2011-02-24 18:57:36 <mekel> hazaaaa!!!
2848 2011-02-24 18:57:38 <luke-jr> rpcpassword belongs in the config file
2849 2011-02-24 18:57:44 <luke-jr> anyone can see the command line
2850 2011-02-24 18:57:53 <mekel> its running like a beaut now guys!!
2851 2011-02-24 18:57:55 <KBme> yeah, with ps
2852 2011-02-24 18:57:58 <mekel> thanks blue u da man
2853 2011-02-24 18:58:00 <mekel> and thanks syke
2854 2011-02-24 18:58:01 <BlueMatt> if you are only accepting stuff on localhost, it doesnt really matter
2855 2011-02-24 18:58:13 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: you're trusting the lo network still
2856 2011-02-24 18:58:23 <mekel> i changed it to -o mining.bitcoin.cz
2857 2011-02-24 18:58:25 <mekel> no errors
2858 2011-02-24 18:58:27 <KBme> BlueMatt: local users see the cmdline
2859 2011-02-24 18:58:29 <mekel> does that mean im connected to pool?
2860 2011-02-24 18:58:42 <BlueMatt> if you lose local access, people can just get the conf files anyway
2861 2011-02-24 18:58:58 <BlueMatt> mekel: you need to sign up and get an account there
2862 2011-02-24 18:59:02 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: nonsense
2863 2011-02-24 18:59:02 <mekel> i did alredy
2864 2011-02-24 18:59:06 <mekel> usin my username and password for the bot
2865 2011-02-24 18:59:09 <BlueMatt> then you dont need to bother running bitcoin
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2867 2011-02-24 18:59:19 <mekel> o rly?
2868 2011-02-24 18:59:32 <BlueMatt> yea...
2869 2011-02-24 18:59:44 <mekel> 194484/209704 khashes
2870 2011-02-24 18:59:47 <luke-jr> why use the pool? :P
2871 2011-02-24 18:59:56 <mekel> on the 5960
2872 2011-02-24 18:59:57 <BlueMatt> pool is better short term
2873 2011-02-24 19:00:01 <mekel> i lik gettin money
2874 2011-02-24 19:00:01 <luke-jr> mekel: wtf does that mean?
2875 2011-02-24 19:00:03 <mekel> fast
2876 2011-02-24 19:00:07 <BlueMatt> ;;bc,calc 200000
2877 2011-02-24 19:00:07 <[Noodles]> -rpcallowip=127.0.0.1? since when do i need to allow localhost?
2878 2011-02-24 19:00:08 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 200000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 1 week, 2 days, 1 hour, 29 minutes, and 30 seconds
2879 2011-02-24 19:00:29 <[Noodles]> that's new :D
2880 2011-02-24 19:00:29 <BlueMatt> [Noodles] not sure you have to, but I think w/o it does it allow all?
2881 2011-02-24 19:00:32 <mekel> hm
2882 2011-02-24 19:00:41 <mekel> so i get 50btcs in a week?
2883 2011-02-24 19:00:44 <[Noodles]> no, it doesnt allow all
2884 2011-02-24 19:00:45 <BlueMatt> Noodles: ive never bothered looking
2885 2011-02-24 19:00:51 <BlueMatt> ok well, then nvm
2886 2011-02-24 19:00:53 <luke-jr> mekel: 50/50
2887 2011-02-24 19:00:54 <mekel> how do i start overclocking
2888 2011-02-24 19:00:57 <BlueMatt> mekel: aproximatley
2889 2011-02-24 19:00:58 <Syke> give it 15 min to reach peak mhps
2890 2011-02-24 19:01:01 <mekel> kk
2891 2011-02-24 19:01:04 <[Noodles]> it ONLY allows localhost, except for those you especially alölow to connect
2892 2011-02-24 19:01:09 <BlueMatt> mekel: i am not gonna work you through that one
2893 2011-02-24 19:01:17 <BlueMatt> [Noodles] ok excuse me?
2894 2011-02-24 19:01:25 <BlueMatt> oops, ? was accidental
2895 2011-02-24 19:01:30 <[Noodles]> no worries, hun ^_^
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2897 2011-02-24 19:02:35 <mekel> hm lol
2898 2011-02-24 19:02:39 <mekel> i appreciate all the help blue
2899 2011-02-24 19:02:43 <mekel> wouldnt hav done it with out u
2900 2011-02-24 19:02:45 <luke-jr> mekel: overclocking damages your hardware
2901 2011-02-24 19:02:56 <mekel> isnt there software
2902 2011-02-24 19:02:59 <mekel> i can just turn it up a bit
2903 2011-02-24 19:03:03 <mekel> just a tid bit
2904 2011-02-24 19:03:05 <luke-jr> overclocking damages your hardware
2905 2011-02-24 19:03:09 <mekel> im gettin  291 now
2906 2011-02-24 19:03:14 <BlueMatt> if you dont have proper cooling, yes
2907 2011-02-24 19:03:18 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: always
2908 2011-02-24 19:03:42 <Syke> turning it on damages your hardware :)
2909 2011-02-24 19:03:46 <BlueMatt> yes, the mtbf changes from 10 years to 7
2910 2011-02-24 19:03:57 <mekel> lol relly?
2911 2011-02-24 19:04:00 <mekel> i can liv with that
2912 2011-02-24 19:04:01 <BlueMatt> if you are still using your hardware in 7-8 years...well
2913 2011-02-24 19:04:13 <mekel> i will buy a new card with my bitcoinz by then
2914 2011-02-24 19:04:15 <BlueMatt> well if you oc it too hard its mtbf changes to about 10 sec
2915 2011-02-24 19:04:25 <mekel> lmao
2916 2011-02-24 19:04:32 <BlueMatt> and make sure you have good cooling
2917 2011-02-24 19:04:34 <luke-jr> Syke: but that's considered ordinary wear
2918 2011-02-24 19:04:38 <mekel> my cpu is staying cool btw blue
2919 2011-02-24 19:04:40 <Syke> oc is fine if you keep the temp moderate
2920 2011-02-24 19:04:40 <mekel> 47 C
2921 2011-02-24 19:04:43 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: not 10 to 7, more like 10 to 1
2922 2011-02-24 19:04:48 <mekel> with the cpu fan just resting on top of the pcu lol
2923 2011-02-24 19:04:49 <mekel> no glue
2924 2011-02-24 19:04:59 <mekel> pcu = cpu
2925 2011-02-24 19:05:04 <Syke> gpu mining doesn't use the cpu
2926 2011-02-24 19:05:06 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: no that far unless you are doing some serious overvolting, clocking and not cooling
2927 2011-02-24 19:05:18 <BlueMatt> his cpu has no cooler mounted, so it was hot earlier
2928 2011-02-24 19:05:18 <mekel> i know i overheated tryin to run it earlier tho syke
2929 2011-02-24 19:05:24 <Syke> well, yeah, overvolting is heavy oc
2930 2011-02-24 19:05:31 <luke-jr> yawn
2931 2011-02-24 19:05:40 <Syke> just tweaking the clock speed is fine
2932 2011-02-24 19:05:43 <BlueMatt> ok, well for most people dont bother overvolting out of spec
2933 2011-02-24 19:05:50 <mekel> iv found 27 blocks ftw
2934 2011-02-24 19:05:52 <[Noodles]> i'd like to uc my memory, anyone know how? --od-setclocks won't let me
2935 2011-02-24 19:06:09 <BlueMatt> mekel on the pool, each block is aound 0.0001 btc
2936 2011-02-24 19:06:16 <mekel> really
2937 2011-02-24 19:06:27 <mekel> so iv found 3 cents?
2938 2011-02-24 19:06:29 <mekel> on 30 blocks
2939 2011-02-24 19:06:31 <void_> ati catalyst /ccc for overdrive
2940 2011-02-24 19:06:40 <mekel> thx void
2941 2011-02-24 19:06:44 <BlueMatt> ;;calc math 50/[bc,difficulty]
2942 2011-02-24 19:06:45 <gribble> Error: "bc,difficulty" is not a valid command.
2943 2011-02-24 19:06:50 <BlueMatt> ;;bc,difficulty
2944 2011-02-24 19:06:50 <gribble> Error: "bc,difficulty" is not a valid command.
2945 2011-02-24 19:06:53 <BlueMatt> ;;bc,stats
2946 2011-02-24 19:06:55 <gribble> Current Blocks: 110202 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 677 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 4 hours, 43 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51663.01901771
2947 2011-02-24 19:06:57 <[Noodles]> void_ on linux?
2948 2011-02-24 19:07:02 <BlueMatt> ;;calc math 50/36459.88692508
2949 2011-02-24 19:07:02 <gribble> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
2950 2011-02-24 19:07:04 <[Noodles]> there is no overdrive in ccc
2951 2011-02-24 19:07:07 <BlueMatt> ;;calc math 50/36459
2952 2011-02-24 19:07:08 <gribble> ...
2953 2011-02-24 19:07:15 <luke-jr> ;;calc 50/36459
2954 2011-02-24 19:07:16 <gribble> 50 / 36 459 = 0.00137140349
2955 2011-02-24 19:07:22 <BlueMatt> my bad
2956 2011-02-24 19:07:27 <[Noodles]> that's the point, had no probs to downclock in windows, but in linux i cant
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2958 2011-02-24 19:07:36 <BlueMatt> ^^ you get that many cents per block on a pool
2959 2011-02-24 19:07:51 <BlueMatt> (if you ignore the 2% slush takes, and its really over a very long term)
2960 2011-02-24 19:07:54 <BlueMatt> its all probability
2961 2011-02-24 19:08:00 <void_> win and linux
2962 2011-02-24 19:08:10 <BlueMatt> over short term, it varies widely
2963 2011-02-24 19:08:20 <mekel> so i want to beable to vnc to my bitcoin computer 24/7 but when i try to vnc , it asks me on the server if i want to allow the connection b4 it lets me connect.. so i physically hav to be at the comptuer to remote desktop from another pc
2964 2011-02-24 19:08:24 <mekel> anyone know how to turn that off
2965 2011-02-24 19:09:21 <void_> in the new ccc, go to performance amd overdrive
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2967 2011-02-24 19:11:07 <mekel> im in catalysy control center
2968 2011-02-24 19:11:12 <mekel> dont see performance and overdrive
2969 2011-02-24 19:11:48 <void_> sorry mekel, i replyd to noodles, no overdrive
2970 2011-02-24 19:12:06 <mekel> o
2971 2011-02-24 19:12:18 <Syke> aticonfig --odgc
2972 2011-02-24 19:12:25 <Syke> will show your current settings
2973 2011-02-24 19:12:34 <Syke> and the over/underclock ranges
2974 2011-02-24 19:12:44 <[Noodles]> no performance, nor overdriove on CCC
2975 2011-02-24 19:13:01 <[Noodles]> just started it, it's not there
2976 2011-02-24 19:13:02 <mekel> brb droppin a deuce
2977 2011-02-24 19:13:06 <void_> wich version do you have of ccc
2978 2011-02-24 19:13:24 <[Noodles]> Syke, i know those commands, point is this-> Configurable Peak Range : [550-775]     [1125-1125]
2979 2011-02-24 19:13:36 <[Noodles]> range from  [1125-1125]MHz
2980 2011-02-24 19:13:41 <[Noodles]> great, huh?
2981 2011-02-24 19:13:43 <Syke> odd
2982 2011-02-24 19:13:56 <Syke> memory speed won't help much
2983 2011-02-24 19:14:10 <[Noodles]> i wanna lower(!) it
2984 2011-02-24 19:14:11 <Syke> all the hashing rarely touches memory
2985 2011-02-24 19:14:18 <[Noodles]> 800MHz is enough
2986 2011-02-24 19:14:23 <Syke> oh, yeah
2987 2011-02-24 19:14:35 <[Noodles]> matter of temps
2988 2011-02-24 19:14:50 <BlueMatt> do mem temps really affect temps THAT much?
2989 2011-02-24 19:14:55 <[Noodles]> yeah
2990 2011-02-24 19:15:00 <[Noodles]> well, they did on windows
2991 2011-02-24 19:15:16 <[Noodles]> and still do on my other machines
2992 2011-02-24 19:15:28 <BlueMatt> I have a feeling it wont much, because if the hashing rarely touches the mem, it shouldnt be hot to begin with
2993 2011-02-24 19:15:37 <[Noodles]> all cards have lowerd memclocks to save some degrees
2994 2011-02-24 19:15:38 <void_> ati ccc, overdive, http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/4333/overdrive.jpg
2995 2011-02-24 19:16:06 <[Noodles]> nice, not on my screen though
2996 2011-02-24 19:16:33 <void_> maybe wrong version, or get newest version
2997 2011-02-24 19:17:02 <[Noodles]> nah
2998 2011-02-24 19:17:22 <[Noodles]> i'm lucky i got this shit up and running, wont fiddle with CCC versions and mess everything up again now
2999 2011-02-24 19:17:47 <void_> i get your point
3000 2011-02-24 19:18:11 <[Noodles]> took me about 20hrs or so yesterday
3001 2011-02-24 19:18:20 <[Noodles]> shitty fuck :D
3002 2011-02-24 19:18:41 <void_> wow
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3006 2011-02-24 19:19:20 <void_> maybe next time when you have a few hours over to do some config
3007 2011-02-24 19:19:27 <Syke> mekel, what's your hashrate now?
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3009 2011-02-24 19:19:57 <[Noodles]> sad thing is, it's not even faster than on windows
3010 2011-02-24 19:20:10 <[Noodles]> not a single hash
3011 2011-02-24 19:20:31 <[Noodles]> so i actually just lost a day of hashing
3012 2011-02-24 19:21:16 <[Noodles]> but at least it seems a bit more stable
3013 2011-02-24 19:21:23 <void_> lost or an expiriance richer
3014 2011-02-24 19:21:48 <[Noodles]> well, one of the cards just found a block today, so i'm cool with it ^_^
3015 2011-02-24 19:22:18 <void_> alone or in the pool
3016 2011-02-24 19:22:23 <[Noodles]> solo
3017 2011-02-24 19:22:35 <void_> Yeah 50BTC
3018 2011-02-24 19:23:44 <[Noodles]> slush got to many connection-probs (last time i checked i lost ~13%, that's 11% overhead!) and bitpenny isnt online yet, so i'm on my own
3019 2011-02-24 19:24:05 <[Noodles]> and quite lucky lately
3020 2011-02-24 19:24:49 <Kiba> what is bitpenny?
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3022 2011-02-24 19:25:03 <void_> another pool
3023 2011-02-24 19:25:11 <[Noodles]> OneFixts "commercial pool"
3024 2011-02-24 19:26:15 <[Noodles]> hope he gets his new server online by the weekend
3025 2011-02-24 19:27:19 <mmarker> Another one?
3026 2011-02-24 19:27:36 <void_> you could start your own pool, with the poold.py at the forum
3027 2011-02-24 19:27:49 <[Tycho]> "<mmarker> Another one?" - there aren't that many :)
3028 2011-02-24 19:28:59 <[Noodles]> actually i would like todo that
3029 2011-02-24 19:29:09 <void_> lol
3030 2011-02-24 19:29:17 <[Noodles]> havent looked into all the getwork stuff yet
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3032 2011-02-24 19:29:55 <void_> and distribution of shares/payout
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3037 2011-02-24 19:30:09 <[Noodles]> that's what poold.py handles anyway, isnt it?
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3039 2011-02-24 19:30:51 <[Noodles]> i'd really like to setup a small "community-pool", nothing big
3040 2011-02-24 19:30:55 <void_> dont know
3041 2011-02-24 19:31:22 <void_> well there are many people who love to join a pool
3042 2011-02-24 19:31:30 <[Noodles]> already thought about using puddinpops server, but then there's those nanocoins again
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3047 2011-02-24 19:35:24 <void_> have you tried the puddinpop server for test?
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3051 2011-02-24 19:36:25 <[Noodles]> not really, doublec ran one for a while and i used it
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3055 2011-02-24 19:38:04 <void_> a pool can be handy if you want to help people with small gpu/cpu for micropayout, if you have a 5970 its different
3056 2011-02-24 19:38:38 <[Noodles]> that's what i wanna do
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3058 2011-02-24 19:39:15 <[Noodles]> i'm running a 5970 and 3x 5850, so i don't really need to join pools myself, although i like smooth payouts too
3059 2011-02-24 19:39:52 <void_> you gonna make lots of BTC and big electricity bill
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3062 2011-02-24 19:40:33 <[Noodles]> haha, big bill for sure, i'm close to 30cent/kWh
3063 2011-02-24 19:40:47 <void_> same here in holland
3064 2011-02-24 19:41:48 <[Noodles]> but hey, i'm in profit so who cares about bills
3065 2011-02-24 19:41:58 <void_> i read in vancouver its about $0.05/kWh
3066 2011-02-24 19:42:03 <[Noodles]> all cards are paid off
3067 2011-02-24 19:42:12 <[Noodles]> all energy is paid off
3068 2011-02-24 19:42:19 <[Noodles]> and still coins left
3069 2011-02-24 19:42:30 <void_> you dont have to worry about money in the coming months
3070 2011-02-24 19:42:47 <[Noodles]> depends on the market
3071 2011-02-24 19:42:58 <[Noodles]> hopefully not
3072 2011-02-24 19:43:13 <void_> its a nice high
3073 2011-02-24 19:43:18 <void_> market
3074 2011-02-24 19:43:22 <[Noodles]> nah, that's not high
3075 2011-02-24 19:43:35 <void_> +- 1/1
3076 2011-02-24 19:44:15 <[Noodles]> that was more like a support-check, it didnt go below .85, no we're back on the way up :D
3077 2011-02-24 19:44:51 <[Noodles]> although it would be nice if it would drop a bit again, could buy some more coins
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3079 2011-02-24 19:45:02 <void_> i hope it stays up
3080 2011-02-24 19:45:05 <Kiba> lol
3081 2011-02-24 19:45:16 <[Noodles]> by the end of the year it'll cost me ~10USD to generate 1coin
3082 2011-02-24 19:45:20 <Kiba> http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/bcLRUSD.html
3083 2011-02-24 19:45:26 <Kiba> 228% price growth in one day
3084 2011-02-24 19:45:28 <[Noodles]> so i have to get as many as i can now
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3090 2011-02-24 19:47:54 <[Noodles]> hmm, someone broke testnet2
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3092 2011-02-24 19:48:36 <jackmcbarn> is the value of bitcoins expected to increase over the long-term?
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3094 2011-02-24 19:48:56 <Kiba> ladies and gentlemen, I predict we will break posting record today
3095 2011-02-24 19:49:04 <Kiba> jackmcbarn: as long as adoption keep increasing
3096 2011-02-24 19:49:09 <void_> MTgox.com have nice graph over last 6 mnths
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3098 2011-02-24 19:49:42 <[Noodles]> well, growing demand is expected, supply is limited, so basicly one could expect the value to increase
3099 2011-02-24 19:50:23 <Kiba> people will be losing bitcoin every year
3100 2011-02-24 19:50:34 <pogden> if you expect increased adoption
3101 2011-02-24 19:50:44 <void_> bitcoin graph https://mtgox.com/trade/history
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3105 2011-02-24 19:51:47 <BlueMatt> bitcoincharts.com has great historical graphs
3106 2011-02-24 19:52:14 <mekel> how do i make linux not go into standby
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3108 2011-02-24 19:53:11 <Diablo-D3> mekel: your question makes no sense/
3109 2011-02-24 19:53:23 <mekel> really?
3110 2011-02-24 19:53:29 <mekel> maybe its my tv that is goin into standby then
3111 2011-02-24 19:54:05 <mekel> hey diablo-d3 i finally got my stuff mining ^^
3112 2011-02-24 19:54:51 <void_> bitcoincharts shows the same as mtgox only more info http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/
3113 2011-02-24 19:54:55 <Syke> mekel, System -> Preferences -> Screensaver
3114 2011-02-24 19:55:17 <Syke> and in System -> Preferences -> Power Management
3115 2011-02-24 19:55:20 <Diablo-D3> mekel: and your system isnt going into standby
3116 2011-02-24 19:55:23 <Diablo-D3> its probably just the monitor
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3118 2011-02-24 19:55:39 <Diablo-D3> and its not "Linux"
3119 2011-02-24 19:55:39 <mekel> hm
3120 2011-02-24 19:55:43 <Diablo-D3> its your desktop environment
3121 2011-02-24 19:55:50 <Diablo-D3> turn it off in the appropriate control panel
3122 2011-02-24 19:55:55 <mekel> well my monitor is going into standby cuz im not givin the comptuer any inputs
3123 2011-02-24 19:56:01 <mekel> hm
3124 2011-02-24 19:57:16 <mekel> okay
3125 2011-02-24 19:57:18 <mekel> thank you syke
3126 2011-02-24 19:57:32 <mekel> both of those options were cauising the issue
3127 2011-02-24 19:58:42 <mekel> mannnnn
3128 2011-02-24 19:58:50 <mekel> it feels so awsome running my bash file
3129 2011-02-24 19:58:54 <mekel> feels right
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3131 2011-02-24 20:01:29 <BlueMatt> lol I have a folder full of random scripts
3132 2011-02-24 20:01:33 <johnnynew> hello.
3133 2011-02-24 20:01:39 <BlueMatt> some of them getting quite large
3134 2011-02-24 20:01:45 <johnnynew> i'm sorry if i bother u with a noob question but:
3135 2011-02-24 20:02:10 <johnnynew> i couldnt find an answer when i searched the issue. so i'm hoping someone'll help me, posting the question in next type
3136 2011-02-24 20:02:59 <johnnynew> i downloaded newest bitcoin yesterday and it started generating and collecting blocks so as to get started. but today, it says WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct, you or nodes may need to upgrade... any suggestions?
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3138 2011-02-24 20:05:54 <johnnynew> i downloaded newest bitcoin yesterday and it started generating and collecting blocks so as to get started. but today, it says WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct, you or nodes may need to upgrade... any suggestions?
3139 2011-02-24 20:07:53 <void_> i just installed the 3.20 version, but i dont get any strange message
3140 2011-02-24 20:08:10 <[Noodles]> had that once or twice, removing the db helped
3141 2011-02-24 20:08:10 <soultcer> A new version was released recently, maybe you still have the old version
3142 2011-02-24 20:08:15 <johnnynew> strange.. it just stopped at about 92 000 blocks and then i see the message
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3145 2011-02-24 20:08:24 <johnnynew> 3.20.1. checked 5 mins ago!!
3146 2011-02-24 20:08:46 <johnnynew> so, does  a n y o n e  know what to do in this situation?
3147 2011-02-24 20:08:47 <[Noodles]> just keep your wallet.dat, bitcoin.conf and the 2 blk***.dat files, remove everything else from your bitcoin-data-dri
3148 2011-02-24 20:08:49 <void_> you first have to let it build up to 110208 before mining
3149 2011-02-24 20:08:59 <johnnynew> ok, i'll try!
3150 2011-02-24 20:09:00 <[Noodles]> *dir
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3153 2011-02-24 20:09:22 <[Noodles]> that did the trick for me
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3156 2011-02-24 20:10:11 <johnnynew> is the bitcoin.conf supposed to be in the program files-dir?
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3158 2011-02-24 20:10:32 <[Noodles]> no, its in the data-dir, where your wallet.dat is located
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3162 2011-02-24 20:10:47 <johnnynew> strange, i have no bitcoin.conf
3163 2011-02-24 20:10:51 <mekel> what -f size do u guys roll with usually?
3164 2011-02-24 20:11:00 <void_> look for .bitcoin
3165 2011-02-24 20:11:12 <[Noodles]> don't need a bitcoin.conf if you're not mining solo
3166 2011-02-24 20:11:17 <mekel> what is a good -f size for 6950 i should say
3167 2011-02-24 20:11:19 <johnnynew> ok.
3168 2011-02-24 20:11:26 <johnnynew> .bitcoin can't find it.
3169 2011-02-24 20:11:35 <mmarker> ~/.bitcoin
3170 2011-02-24 20:11:38 <mekel> its invisible
3171 2011-02-24 20:11:39 <johnnynew> ok, now i'm going to do some deletin'. should i delete the database dir as well?
3172 2011-02-24 20:11:46 <mekel> u hav to make it so u can see invisible files
3173 2011-02-24 20:11:53 <mmarker> The one fine you must never delete is wallet.dat
3174 2011-02-24 20:11:56 <johnnynew> i can see invisible files :)
3175 2011-02-24 20:11:59 <mekel> k
3176 2011-02-24 20:12:11 <[Noodles]> mekel: depends on your desktop-laggyness, i set mine from 5 to >100 depending on what i wanna do
3177 2011-02-24 20:12:23 <mekel> hm
3178 2011-02-24 20:12:29 <mekel> iv had mine at 1
3179 2011-02-24 20:12:34 <mekel> but its a little unstable
3180 2011-02-24 20:12:38 <mmarker> I just have a crappy nvidia, so it really doesn't matter :(
3181 2011-02-24 20:12:39 <[Noodles]> all the database stuff
3182 2011-02-24 20:12:54 <[Noodles]> remove it, only keep wallet.dat and blk***.dat
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3185 2011-02-24 20:13:34 <[Noodles]> well, you could also remove the blk***.dat, but you would need to redownlöoad the blockchain which might take some time
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3187 2011-02-24 20:13:57 <[Noodles]> i only removed the database and _db_stuff
3188 2011-02-24 20:14:06 <johnnynew> -nood- -mekel- did not do the trick
3189 2011-02-24 20:14:07 <johnnynew> well, i'll try removing the blk-dat as well then
3190 2011-02-24 20:14:22 <[Noodles]> if you dont mind to wait
3191 2011-02-24 20:14:45 <johnnynew> i don't mind :9
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3193 2011-02-24 20:14:55 <johnnynew> oh , sigh.. windows xp file access sucks :)
3194 2011-02-24 20:14:57 <[Noodles]> no need to generate as long as it's not fully downloaded, but you said you aren't mining solo anyway, didnt ya?
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3196 2011-02-24 20:15:12 <mekel> if im connected to a pool, do i need -rpcallowip?
3197 2011-02-24 20:15:14 <johnnynew> i dont know what mining solo means haha.. i'm such a newb
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3200 2011-02-24 20:15:29 <[Noodles]> generating on your own, not on a pool
3201 2011-02-24 20:15:40 <johnnynew> ok. what does that mean in reality?
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3203 2011-02-24 20:15:55 <[Noodles]> you can't generate as long as you don't have ALL blocks in the blockchian
3204 2011-02-24 20:16:06 <void_> look at mining.bitcoin.cz
3205 2011-02-24 20:16:11 <johnnynew> ah ok.
3206 2011-02-24 20:16:17 <void_> for pool explanation
3207 2011-02-24 20:16:20 <johnnynew> so mining solo is when i download the first blockchain you mean?
3208 2011-02-24 20:16:27 <andrew12> < mrb_> 03:28 < andrew12> what does he give you if you buy it? teh src?! :p
3209 2011-02-24 20:16:29 <andrew12> huh?
3210 2011-02-24 20:16:33 <mmarker> Basically you get smaller slices of work, and everyone inthe pool is helping to find the answer
3211 2011-02-24 20:16:39 <[Noodles]> the first chain? there is only 1 chain
3212 2011-02-24 20:16:47 <void_> solo is when you try to crack hash allone
3213 2011-02-24 20:17:00 <mekel> the point of mining is to crack hashes
3214 2011-02-24 20:17:08 <[Noodles]> solo is, when you hook "Generate Coins" in your bitcoin-client
3215 2011-02-24 20:17:11 * mmarker needs to add more death-by-a-thousand-papercuts miners to the mix
3216 2011-02-24 20:17:20 <johnnynew> ok.
3217 2011-02-24 20:17:27 <void_> pool, is with many people try to do the same togetter on the same block
3218 2011-02-24 20:17:39 <johnnynew> so should i not choose generate coins before the block thingy is done and i can start generating for real?
3219 2011-02-24 20:17:58 <johnnynew> well well, i'm sorry i don't understand everything.. just wanna get started
3220 2011-02-24 20:18:24 <mmarker> ;;gc, help
3221 2011-02-24 20:18:25 <gribble> Error: "gc," is not a valid command.
3222 2011-02-24 20:18:26 <void_> first let it build up to 110208 before mining
3223 2011-02-24 20:18:32 <johnnynew> ok!
3224 2011-02-24 20:18:45 <johnnynew> if i dont get that annoying error message again...
3225 2011-02-24 20:19:00 <void_> yep
3226 2011-02-24 20:19:14 <johnnynew> thank heavens this chatroom existed!
3227 2011-02-24 20:19:20 <johnnynew> now i'm at 0 conn 0 blocks
3228 2011-02-24 20:19:37 <mekel> sooo my miner was running perfectly fine and now im getting ERROR: Cant connect to bitcoin: Failed to communicate with Bitcoin
3229 2011-02-24 20:19:38 <void_> oke, let it rise to the last block 110208
3230 2011-02-24 20:19:43 <johnnynew> hopefully it'll start again. so i should not check generate coins to get started? it should start bly itself?
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3233 2011-02-24 20:20:16 <[Noodles]> actually you'd better use another tool to generate coins
3234 2011-02-24 20:20:17 <void_> if you have a not so good gpu its wise to join a pool
3235 2011-02-24 20:20:33 <johnnynew> ok!
3236 2011-02-24 20:20:35 <johnnynew> what tool?
3237 2011-02-24 20:20:35 <mmarker> Yea, CPU mining is only marginally worthwhile in a pool
3238 2011-02-24 20:20:41 <[Noodles]> not the bitcoin-client, other "miners" are faster than that
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3240 2011-02-24 20:20:51 <mmarker> jhonnynew: Look at http://mining.bitcoin.cz
3241 2011-02-24 20:20:57 <mekel> i find cpu mining completely worthless.. like what is the point it would take so long
3242 2011-02-24 20:20:57 <mmarker> there's a list of clients.
3243 2011-02-24 20:20:58 <johnnynew> gimme some example of clients
3244 2011-02-24 20:21:01 <johnnynew> mmarker: will do
3245 2011-02-24 20:21:02 <[Noodles]> besides that you can use other miners on pools
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3247 2011-02-24 20:21:19 <[Noodles]> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3486.0
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3249 2011-02-24 20:21:31 <[Noodles]> CPU miner example
3250 2011-02-24 20:21:42 <mmarker> mekel: Depends. I have an army of Cortex-A8 machines that are running 24/7 fanless, 2W a pop...not fast by a long shot...but again, death-by-a-thousand-papercuts.
3251 2011-02-24 20:21:56 <mekel> rofl
3252 2011-02-24 20:21:58 <Diablo-D3> I cant imagine those doing much shit
3253 2011-02-24 20:22:00 <mekel> cpu farm ftw
3254 2011-02-24 20:22:02 <mekel> i guess
3255 2011-02-24 20:22:05 <johnnynew> hey, another thing, what do you guys think of this thought: there are only 21 billion bitcoins... what if 5 billion people started using bitcoin and had say 3 bitcoins each.. then they seriously would have to start the concept bitcoin cents and millicents..
3256 2011-02-24 20:22:20 <Diablo-D3> johnnynew: yeah so?
3257 2011-02-24 20:22:28 <Diablo-D3> the "actual" currency is microbtc (ubtc)
3258 2011-02-24 20:22:44 <johnnynew> well.. uhm... wouldnt it have been better to like say have 100 billion or so :)
3259 2011-02-24 20:22:50 <Diablo-D3> since bitcoin measures current btc transactions as a fixed point number with 8 numbers after the decimal point
3260 2011-02-24 20:22:52 <mmarker> Diablo-D3: 300k with unoptimized C. Need to finish the NEON and C6x versions to see what I can milk out of those. But again, cheap, and you probably have a few in the house already.
3261 2011-02-24 20:22:57 <void_> 21 million blocks
3262 2011-02-24 20:22:57 <johnnynew> ok... microbtc... that makes sense, thanks diablod3
3263 2011-02-24 20:23:15 <mmarker> Not saying that your DVR would spontaneously be mining for me
3264 2011-02-24 20:23:24 <mmarker> but >.> <.<
3265 2011-02-24 20:23:25 <Diablo-D3> so 100000000 microbtc == 1 btc
3266 2011-02-24 20:23:50 <Diablo-D3> mmarker: er, 300 khash/sec? thats better than I thought
3267 2011-02-24 20:24:01 <Diablo-D3> mmarker: btw, that C64 code would be much more interesting
3268 2011-02-24 20:24:06 <Diablo-D3> those are nifty little DSPs
3269 2011-02-24 20:24:14 <mmarker> Diablo: actually 275. I'm having problems with coding for the TI DSP
3270 2011-02-24 20:24:20 <mmarker> Mostly because the tools suck.
3271 2011-02-24 20:24:27 <mmarker> and then getting the code onto the DSP sucks.
3272 2011-02-24 20:24:50 <mmarker> Wait, this is freenode. Lemme go bitch at the TI people here
3273 2011-02-24 20:24:51 <Diablo-D3> johnnynew: btw, 21 million was chosen as an estimate of all the possible hashes that will meet the requirements
3274 2011-02-24 20:25:21 <johnnynew> noodles/mmarker: if i switch client later on, do i just need to move my wallet.dat to that program's folder?
3275 2011-02-24 20:25:31 <johnnynew> D-D3: ok!
3276 2011-02-24 20:25:36 <johnnynew> this is all so exciting!
3277 2011-02-24 20:25:40 <mmarker> Diablo-D3: I am going to try to get jgarzik's miner on the ipt3g...wonder ho apple's samsung solution works out
3278 2011-02-24 20:25:43 <Diablo-D3> johnnynew: there is only so many 256 bit numbers that start with x number of bits that are 0 that can be produced with what we're hashing
3279 2011-02-24 20:25:54 <johnnynew> got it
3280 2011-02-24 20:25:59 <mmarker> Hmm. Port it to the AppleTV
3281 2011-02-24 20:26:01 <Diablo-D3> johnnynew: I think satoshi's estimate is low
3282 2011-02-24 20:26:03 <johnnynew> u guys all programmers huh' :)
3283 2011-02-24 20:26:04 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,stat
3284 2011-02-24 20:26:04 <gribble> Error: "bc,stat" is not a valid command.
3285 2011-02-24 20:26:07 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,stats
3286 2011-02-24 20:26:10 <gribble> Current Blocks: 110210 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 669 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 3 hours, 49 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51474.78648561
3287 2011-02-24 20:26:14 <Diablo-D3> mmarker: the A4 is just a normal A8 chip
3288 2011-02-24 20:26:24 <Diablo-D3> theres no magic
3289 2011-02-24 20:26:28 <mekel> do you guys see anything wrong with this? im getting an error: Cant connect to bitcoin: Failed to communicate with bitcoin http://pastie.org/1603503
3290 2011-02-24 20:26:29 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, but but mgic
3291 2011-02-24 20:26:32 <phantomcircuit> you beat me to it
3292 2011-02-24 20:26:35 <phantomcircuit> you devil you
3293 2011-02-24 20:26:49 <Diablo-D3> iirc its not even paired with any additional shit
3294 2011-02-24 20:26:57 <johnnynew> ok, thanks a lot mmarker and noodles for the help. t a k e  c a r e
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3296 2011-02-24 20:27:03 <Diablo-D3> TI has the C64 DSPs, snapdragons have their shit, etc
3297 2011-02-24 20:27:09 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, they took shit out actually iirc
3298 2011-02-24 20:27:22 <Diablo-D3> samsung sells nearly identical versions of the A4
3299 2011-02-24 20:27:31 <Diablo-D3> infact, they were selling it before Apple asked for theirs
3300 2011-02-24 20:27:36 <mmarker> Diablo-D3: True. The A8 is pretty much just an Cortex core. I think there's some hardware crypto, but just SHA1
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3304 2011-02-24 20:28:25 <Diablo-D3> heh, hardware crypto never helps us
3305 2011-02-24 20:28:32 <mmarker> the C64 is probably the most interesting, since it is basically a 2nd processor. There I think the message passing will be a PITA
3306 2011-02-24 20:28:35 <Diablo-D3> we always lose optimizations we have
3307 2011-02-24 20:28:45 <Diablo-D3> mmarker: well, hell, look at theora on it
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3309 2011-02-24 20:28:56 <mmarker> Diablo-D3: Yea, worse is that most tends to be "we'll pad a bunch of crap onto the messages"
3310 2011-02-24 20:28:58 <Diablo-D3> you can do 1080p theora on the faster C64s, 720p on the rest
3311 2011-02-24 20:29:29 <mmarker> Diablo-D3: yea, TI ported some of H.264 to it as well. It's damn f'in impressive
3312 2011-02-24 20:29:40 <Diablo-D3> "some"
3313 2011-02-24 20:29:45 <Diablo-D3> it does like baseline or main profile or some shit
3314 2011-02-24 20:30:19 <Diablo-D3> its not powerful enough to do high profile
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3316 2011-02-24 20:30:41 <mmarker> Not many things can really hack that IIRC. High is pretty beefy.
3317 2011-02-24 20:30:42 <Diablo-D3> so you're still stuck with a GPU that can do it
3318 2011-02-24 20:30:49 <Diablo-D3> high isnt beefy at all
3319 2011-02-24 20:30:56 <bitcoiner> ;;bc, stats
3320 2011-02-24 20:30:57 <gribble> Error: "bc," is not a valid command.
3321 2011-02-24 20:31:01 <Diablo-D3> bit for bit, high barely passes vp8
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3323 2011-02-24 20:31:14 <Diablo-D3> and google might be able to get 720p vp8 working on c64s
3324 2011-02-24 20:31:17 <mmarker> Now, dunno if there's truth to this, but there may be OpenCL drivers floating around at some point for the SGX...but dunno if anyone has licensed them.
3325 2011-02-24 20:31:25 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, what phones can do anything but the baseline profile?
3326 2011-02-24 20:31:35 <phantomcircuit> i know my aria is just like LOL NOTHX
3327 2011-02-24 20:31:45 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: "720p" phones are doing main
3328 2011-02-24 20:32:00 <Diablo-D3> like itunes movies on an iphone are main
3329 2011-02-24 20:32:23 <Diablo-D3> baseline h264 is pointless shit
3330 2011-02-24 20:32:35 <Diablo-D3> theora and vp8 both rape the shit out of it
3331 2011-02-24 20:34:00 <Diablo-D3> h264 off youtube uses main profile I think
3332 2011-02-24 20:34:03 <Diablo-D3> pretty sure its not high
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3334 2011-02-24 20:34:55 <mekel> http://pastie.org/1603503
3335 2011-02-24 20:34:58 <mekel> what is wrong with that
3336 2011-02-24 20:35:05 <mekel> i keep gettin an error cant connect to bitcoin
3337 2011-02-24 20:35:21 <mmarker> Do you have an account?
3338 2011-02-24 20:35:44 <mekel> yes
3339 2011-02-24 20:35:46 <Diablo-D3> mekel: either your username or password is wrong
3340 2011-02-24 20:35:51 <mekel> hm
3341 2011-02-24 20:35:55 <mekel> it was working
3342 2011-02-24 20:35:59 <mekel> and all the sudden it started failing
3343 2011-02-24 20:35:59 <Diablo-D3> oh
3344 2011-02-24 20:36:01 <Diablo-D3> you used -p
3345 2011-02-24 20:36:06 <Diablo-D3> its not -p
3346 2011-02-24 20:36:08 <Diablo-D3> port is -r
3347 2011-02-24 20:36:11 <mekel> hm
3348 2011-02-24 20:36:26 <mekel> o
3349 2011-02-24 20:36:26 <Diablo-D3> and why set -f to 5?
3350 2011-02-24 20:36:34 <Diablo-D3> if you're going to go that low, just use -f 1
3351 2011-02-24 20:36:51 <mekel> still getting the error
3352 2011-02-24 20:37:43 <Diablo-D3> -u user.machine -p machinepassword -o mining.bitcoin.cz -r 8332
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3354 2011-02-24 20:37:53 <mekel> yep
3355 2011-02-24 20:37:55 <mekel> uhmm
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3358 2011-02-24 20:38:22 <mekel> what if it says cannot obtain a lock on data directory /home/michael/,bitcoin, bitcoin is probably already running
3359 2011-02-24 20:38:26 <mekel> however i made sure i killed bitcoind
3360 2011-02-24 20:38:28 <mekel> b4 running again
3361 2011-02-24 20:38:34 <Diablo-D3> mekel: it means its still running
3362 2011-02-24 20:38:44 <Diablo-D3> ps ax | grep bitcoin
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3364 2011-02-24 20:39:36 <Syke> you don't need bitcoin if you're connecting to a pool
3365 2011-02-24 20:40:00 <Diablo-D3> Syke: yeah but he needs it to transact his new money
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3368 2011-02-24 20:40:24 <mekel> hm true
3369 2011-02-24 20:40:36 <mekel> im gunna pull out the btc code
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3371 2011-02-24 20:40:47 <Syke> he'll telling the miner to connect to a pool, so it doesn't matter if he has bitcoin running or not
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3374 2011-02-24 20:41:03 <Diablo-D3> Syke: there was a subtle switch in topics there
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3379 2011-02-24 20:41:48 <jakob> !4e486afb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.72.106.251|eventually, 22million bitcoins will get lost. people die and leave them behind?
3380 2011-02-24 20:42:08 <[Noodles]> 22million lost? impossible
3381 2011-02-24 20:42:15 <jakob> !4e486afb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.72.106.251|eventually...
3382 2011-02-24 20:42:18 <Diablo-D3> 22 million lost? we'd have negative bitcoins!
3383 2011-02-24 20:42:24 <[Noodles]> ;D
3384 2011-02-24 20:43:04 <[Noodles]> there will never be 21million, how are you going to lose 22?
3385 2011-02-24 20:43:22 <lyspooner> 21 million lost, 1 million found again, and relost
3386 2011-02-24 20:43:29 <[Noodles]> oh, i see
3387 2011-02-24 20:43:40 <lyspooner> but not 23 million?
3388 2011-02-24 20:44:13 <lyspooner> that's the genius of bitcoin.  only 1 million can ever be relost
3389 2011-02-24 20:44:32 <jakob> !4e486afb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.72.106.251|if I own half of all bitcoins and die, they will be lost?
3390 2011-02-24 20:44:35 <mekel> syke: i took out the bitcoin code
3391 2011-02-24 20:44:42 <mekel> and im still getting the error Cant connect to Bitcoin
3392 2011-02-24 20:45:03 <Diablo-D3> btw, yes, if we have a catastrophic pool failure, it can be fixed
3393 2011-02-24 20:45:08 <[Noodles]> no, they wont be lost when you die, they will be lost when your harddrive dies and you dont have a backup
3394 2011-02-24 20:45:16 <mekel> hold on ill pastey the error
3395 2011-02-24 20:45:57 <jgarzik> ;;lastseen gavinandresen
3396 2011-02-24 20:45:57 <gribble> Error: "lastseen" is not a valid command.
3397 2011-02-24 20:45:58 <[Noodles]> but why should we care about your loss? people might pay more to get our coins
3398 2011-02-24 20:46:08 <jgarzik> what's gribble's last-seen command?
3399 2011-02-24 20:46:14 <quellhorst> how fast is the AMD Radeon HD 6750M  ?
3400 2011-02-24 20:46:19 <mmarker> seec
3401 2011-02-24 20:46:22 <mmarker> seen, even
3402 2011-02-24 20:46:33 <mmarker> ;;seen gavinandresen
3403 2011-02-24 20:46:33 <gribble> gavinandresen was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 5 hours, 1 minute, and 47 seconds ago: <gavinandresen> yeah, but customer support would still tell you to reinstall windows :-)
3404 2011-02-24 20:46:48 <mekel> syke: http://pastie.org/1603581
3405 2011-02-24 20:47:18 <Syke> can you connect to mining.bitcoin.cz?
3406 2011-02-24 20:47:34 <jakob> !4e486afb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.72.106.251|noodles: i know... but how much can you divide a bitcoin? if its an infinite factor then lost bitcoins aint no problem
3407 2011-02-24 20:47:44 <mekel> i can ping and visit the website
3408 2011-02-24 20:48:05 <[Noodles]> 0.00000001 <--that much
3409 2011-02-24 20:48:10 <jakob> !4e486afb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.72.106.251|no more?
3410 2011-02-24 20:48:17 <[Noodles]> not that i know
3411 2011-02-24 20:49:25 <mmarker> jgarzik: Oh, for the pull request chromicant put on cpuminer, the validation stuff is good, the NEON works, but GCC just pukes on it. I need to rewrite it all in inline asm.
3412 2011-02-24 20:49:27 <jakob> !4e486afb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.72.106.251|bitcoins cant be atomic if they are supposed to be a practical medium of exchange for an infinite time
3413 2011-02-24 20:49:59 <mmarker> where "GCC pukes on it" is "GCC loves to churn the NEON registers around to add loads that seem to have 0 purpose"
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3415 2011-02-24 20:50:06 <mekel> syke it is still crunching hashes but its giving me the error too
3416 2011-02-24 20:51:54 <jgarzik> mmarker: thanks
3417 2011-02-24 20:52:24 <jgarzik> http://futureofmoney.com/moneyconference/
3418 2011-02-24 20:52:29 <jgarzik> awesome speaking opportunity for bitcoin
3419 2011-02-24 20:52:47 * jgarzik just talked to the conference organizer
3420 2011-02-24 20:52:51 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: not even.
3421 2011-02-24 20:52:56 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin dosnt belong there
3422 2011-02-24 20:53:00 <Diablo-D3> those are a bunch of faggots
3423 2011-02-24 20:53:05 <Diablo-D3> who cares what those people think
3424 2011-02-24 20:53:15 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin is out to destroy people like that
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3426 2011-02-24 20:55:00 <midnightmagic_> as Diablo grows angrier, his might grows in turn! (Soon.. "DIABLO SMASH!")
3427 2011-02-24 20:55:06 midnightmagic_ is now known as midnightmagic
3428 2011-02-24 20:55:15 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: I diablosmash frequently, where have you been
3429 2011-02-24 20:55:18 <lfm> ;;bc,mtgox
3430 2011-02-24 20:55:19 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1,"low":0.9,"vol":13327,"buy":0.9532,"sell":1,"last":0.9532}}
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3432 2011-02-24 21:04:09 <JFK911> Glad to see it back up
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3435 2011-02-24 21:06:35 <mekel> hey syke i got it working
3436 2011-02-24 21:06:41 <mekel> i turned the donations off
3437 2011-02-24 21:06:47 <mekel> and thats why it stopped working
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3439 2011-02-24 21:08:56 <mmarker> jgarzik: If you know some GCC devs, you can slap them around. I wish I could figure out if this codegen is a bug or not, or just a limitation of gcc
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3441 2011-02-24 21:10:59 <lyspooner> does the person who finds the 2016th block determine the new difficulty, or does the "2017th" block finder have the first crack at it?  does the network verify the new difficulty?
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3443 2011-02-24 21:11:14 <nanotube> lyspooner: neither
3444 2011-02-24 21:11:32 <nanotube> accepted difficulty is algorithmically determined via timestamps in the previous 2016 blocks.
3445 2011-02-24 21:11:41 <nanotube> a single person doesn't determine it.
3446 2011-02-24 21:12:32 <lyspooner> so at block 1 of the new difficulty level, it's just a function of the previous 2016?
3447 2011-02-24 21:13:04 <lyspooner> what's the function if i may ask?
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3449 2011-02-24 21:13:37 <dirtyfilthy> how much faster/slower previous 2016 blocks were generated than ideal rate
3450 2011-02-24 21:13:56 <dirtyfilthy> multiply current difficulty by that ratio
3451 2011-02-24 21:15:09 <lyspooner> so is it a function of timestamp1 and timestamp2016, ignoring all 2014 timestamps in between?
3452 2011-02-24 21:15:09 <nanotube> lyspooner: basically, ideally time to generate a block is 10 minutes average. so time for the 2016 blocks should be 20160 minutes
3453 2011-02-24 21:15:15 <nanotube> lyspooner: right
3454 2011-02-24 21:15:55 <lyspooner> how accurate do timestamps have to be on the network?  ie, if i solve block 2016, can i say my timestamp is twelve years from now?
3455 2011-02-24 21:16:02 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
3456 2011-02-24 21:16:04 <gribble> Current Blocks: 110218 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 661 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 2 hours, 54 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51542.11981566
3457 2011-02-24 21:16:12 <nanotube> well actually, timestamp for last block from the previous 2016 chunk, and timestamp for last block of current 2016 chunk. to be precise. :)
3458 2011-02-24 21:16:15 <JFK911> 51500 loll
3459 2011-02-24 21:16:21 <nanotube> lyspooner: see ,,(bc,wiki timestamp)
3460 2011-02-24 21:16:22 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Block_timestamp | Jan 13, 2011 ... Each block contains a Unix time timestamp. In addition to serving as a source of variation for the block hash, there are also validity ...
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3462 2011-02-24 21:18:19 <lyspooner> i'm no cryptographer, but is there a timestamp weakness that has been discussed anywhere?
3463 2011-02-24 21:18:27 <JFK911> Will bitcoin work after 2038?
3464 2011-02-24 21:18:40 <jgarzik> mmarker: if you can boil it down to a small testcase, gcc devs are very responsive to problem reports on gcc.gnu.org
3465 2011-02-24 21:19:00 <jgarzik> JFK911: no.  it is programmed to explode one second before that date.  C4, man.
3466 2011-02-24 21:19:28 <JFK911> okay i'll dump all my btc before then
3467 2011-02-24 21:19:38 <BlueMatt> I'm trying to get people to work on putting together a really well written ad which could be sent to merchants explaining what bitcoin is and why it should be used, please help if you are interested: http://piratepad.net/oj1GPxYyRL
3468 2011-02-24 21:19:43 <JFK911> marking this right now in my palm pilot's calendar
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3470 2011-02-24 21:20:19 <gwillen> nanotube: so what happens if someone produces a block with a timestamp right on the treshold of validity, so that some members of the network accept it and some reject it?
3471 2011-02-24 21:20:24 <jgarzik> JFK911: your palm pilot is programmed to explode at the same moment.  it's a 32-bit device.
3472 2011-02-24 21:20:31 <mmarker> jgarzik: Yea, but I'd like to be able to explain it more than "the code generated sucks". Maybe if I can break this down to one round of SHA-2..
3473 2011-02-24 21:21:00 <mmarker> and see if it's still thrashing the stack...
3474 2011-02-24 21:21:33 <JFK911> jgarzik: thats why i made the entry before then duhhh
3475 2011-02-24 21:21:33 <jgarzik> mmarker: can you quantify the suckage?   :)  "<this> algebraic simplification is missed, costing 3000 cycles per loop"
3476 2011-02-24 21:21:34 <mekel> how do i start overclocking
3477 2011-02-24 21:21:37 <mekel> my hd 6950
3478 2011-02-24 21:21:40 <jgarzik> :)
3479 2011-02-24 21:22:06 <jgarzik> but yes, CBlock's nTime is 32-bit integer
3480 2011-02-24 21:22:08 <mmarker> Ahh, yes, yes I can
3481 2011-02-24 21:22:19 <mmarker> That I believe I can easily quantify.
3482 2011-02-24 21:22:21 <JFK911> Just crank up the volts, i'm running mine at five volts
3483 2011-02-24 21:22:32 <mmarker> But I also want to check with 4.5 to see if it's still there
3484 2011-02-24 21:22:34 <JFK911> I picked that as a safe voltage level because it's a common voltage to use with electronics
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3486 2011-02-24 21:22:53 <mmarker> Also need to fine a bug with llvm. That C code also kills clang dead with a SIGABRT
3487 2011-02-24 21:24:21 <nanotube> gwillen: well, then whatever part of the network wins by building the longest chain on it will win.
3488 2011-02-24 21:24:39 <phantomcircuit> god fucking ISPs
3489 2011-02-24 21:24:44 <phantomcircuit> straight up lying
3490 2011-02-24 21:24:48 <nanotube> (obviously, the "past" can't be on the threshold, since previous block timestamps are fixed. only can be on the threshold for the future)
3491 2011-02-24 21:24:48 <gwillen> nanotube: will nodes accept a valid block which follows an invalid block in the chain, or will they reject that fork of the chain forever?
3492 2011-02-24 21:24:56 <phantomcircuit> ATT saying they cant provide service to my house (hint currently using it)
3493 2011-02-24 21:25:09 <phantomcircuit> and comcast saying they can provide 50/10 which i know they cant
3494 2011-02-24 21:25:10 <xelister> hmm
3495 2011-02-24 21:25:17 <phantomcircuit> raggeeeeeeee
3496 2011-02-24 21:25:26 <xelister> it would seems stearing into the miner output does NOT in fact increase speed
3497 2011-02-24 21:25:37 <nanotube> gwillen: we are clearly only talking about <2h in the future bit now, since past is fixed. and i guess the answer is, eventually clocks will catch up, so if that chain happens to be longest, it'll win.
3498 2011-02-24 21:25:58 <gwillen> nanotube: ahhhh, I hadn't thought about the clocks catching up! That is a good point.
3499 2011-02-24 21:26:00 <nanotube> but for that chain to be longest, there would have to be a significant fraction of network living 'in the future'
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3502 2011-02-24 21:27:16 <gwillen> nanotube: actually this seems to have attack potential -- generate a block that's too far in the future, so nobody accepts it and they all keep working on the current block. Then keep working on that block yourself, where you have 100% of the CPU power, and try to generate blocks on top of it until the clock advances enough to make the previous block valid
3503 2011-02-24 21:27:51 <nanotube> gwillen: that is not any different than just generating a private fork
3504 2011-02-24 21:27:56 <gwillen> I'm not sure if it actually makes a difference, since even though you're not competing to make the next block, the difficulty factor will still be very high
3505 2011-02-24 21:27:59 <gwillen> yeah
3506 2011-02-24 21:28:02 <gwillen> nevermind
3507 2011-02-24 21:28:02 <nanotube> and just as in that case, it's only workable if you have more htan 50% of the network power.
3508 2011-02-24 21:28:18 <nanotube> :)
3509 2011-02-24 21:28:21 <gwillen> *nods*
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3512 2011-02-24 21:32:43 <mekel> OK so if im runnin with the argument -f 1 with diablos gpu miner and the computer is sluggish, if i upgraded cpu's would it prevent that ?
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3514 2011-02-24 21:33:11 <nanotube> mekel: prob not. just run with -f 5 or -f 64 or something.
3515 2011-02-24 21:33:51 <jgarzik> speculation of the day:  in 5-10 years, the CIA will use bitcoin to smuggle money to its spies around the globe, much like American intelligence uses Tor today for open source intelligence gathering
3516 2011-02-24 21:34:19 <mekel> nice..
3517 2011-02-24 21:34:26 <mmarker> Gah damn. Reading the NEON asm in pixman makes my head assplode. God, ARM is elegant, but what a mindfuck to make to optimal.
3518 2011-02-24 21:34:28 <mekel> and ok nanotube thx
3519 2011-02-24 21:36:43 <nanotube> jgarzik: nice :)
3520 2011-02-24 21:36:53 <cosurg1> mmarker: can you give an url to this manual?
3521 2011-02-24 21:36:58 cosurg1 is now known as cosurgi
3522 2011-02-24 21:37:09 <kelvie_>  /join #bitcoin-otc
3523 2011-02-24 21:38:28 <mmarker> cosurg1: There's a manual, which sucks: http://goo.gl/7eFye
3524 2011-02-24 21:38:36 <mmarker> Well, it is bare bones.
3525 2011-02-24 21:39:27 <mmarker> cosurgi: The best bit of code I'm reading is in pixman, http://cgit.freedesktop.org/pixman/tree/pixman/pixman-arm-neon-asm.S
3526 2011-02-24 21:39:37 <cosurgi> BlueMatt: transactions do not appear "Instantly", we know that, and it is a serious drawback. I hope that we will find a way to solve this.
3527 2011-02-24 21:39:44 <cosurgi> mmarker: thanks
3528 2011-02-24 21:40:13 <BlueMatt> cosurgi: I know, but they appear instantly, just not confirmed
3529 2011-02-24 21:40:20 <BlueMatt> A bit too truth stretchy?
3530 2011-02-24 21:40:57 <mmarker> In short, scheduling is very important for NEON
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3532 2011-02-24 21:41:32 <cosurgi> BlueMatt: before a block with this transaction is generated it is possible to double-spend. Just after buying something, start another instance on another PC, with the same wallet, connected to different p2p nodes, so that it will not see your transfer. Then quickly transfer all your funds from this wallet to another address.
3533 2011-02-24 21:41:59 <cosurgi> BlueMatt: and suddenly there are two transactions in p2p waiting for confirmation. Now it's 50% chance that one of them gets into a block.
3534 2011-02-24 21:42:00 <BlueMatt> cosurgi: I get that, but it still APPEARS instantly in other clients
3535 2011-02-24 21:42:18 <BlueMatt> that doesnt mean its a legitimate transaction, but its there
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3537 2011-02-24 21:43:10 <cosurgi> BlueMatt: if you do your timing right, and have both boxes setup and ready to do that, you could do those two transactions simulatanelusly so that they get the same timestamp. And then all other clients have no way to know which one to pick (nothing is younger).
3538 2011-02-24 21:43:29 <BlueMatt> I GET IT, I understand how it works and that you can double spend
3539 2011-02-24 21:43:36 <Sami345> trolololol
3540 2011-02-24 21:43:39 <cosurgi> sorry :)
3541 2011-02-24 21:43:42 <cosurgi> sorry
3542 2011-02-24 21:43:51 <Sami345> I run bitcoin for like 1 minute: block found!
3543 2011-02-24 21:43:53 <Sami345> xD
3544 2011-02-24 21:44:06 <xelister> Sami345: switch from testnet to mainnet
3545 2011-02-24 21:44:07 <cosurgi> Sami345: it's in the pool?
3546 2011-02-24 21:44:14 <soultcer> Either you have a very fast computer or you are very lucky.
3547 2011-02-24 21:44:15 <Sami345> cosurgi, no :D
3548 2011-02-24 21:44:19 <cosurgi> omg :))
3549 2011-02-24 21:44:26 <Sami345> very lucky, 160 khash/s
3550 2011-02-24 21:44:36 <Sami345> *160000
3551 2011-02-24 21:44:39 <Sami345> lol
3552 2011-02-24 21:44:42 <cosurgi> Sami345: so now you should join the pool :) becuase you will not have another block for a day or two
3553 2011-02-24 21:45:44 <xelister> or 5
3554 2011-02-24 21:45:53 <xelister> ;;bc,calc 160000
3555 2011-02-24 21:45:54 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 160000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 1 week, 4 days, 7 hours, 51 minutes, and 52 seconds
3556 2011-02-24 21:45:59 <cosurgi> omg.
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3560 2011-02-24 21:46:40 <gasteve> :\
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3562 2011-02-24 21:46:58 <gasteve> getting >600Mhash here and nothing so far
3563 2011-02-24 21:47:05 <gasteve> (going on 2 days)
3564 2011-02-24 21:47:30 <bk128-Droid> ArtForz: is it safe to soak a dirty motherboard in rubbing alcohol to clean it if I bake it for a while after?
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3566 2011-02-24 21:47:53 <nanotube> ;;bc,prob 600000 2d
3567 2011-02-24 21:47:53 <gribble> 0.484229943765
3568 2011-02-24 21:47:54 <cosurgi> one time the pool was down for 10 minutes, so I started minign solo, and found a block within those 10 minutes.
3569 2011-02-24 21:48:06 <nanotube> gasteve: 50/50 chance to find block in 2 days. not so surprising.
3570 2011-02-24 21:48:17 <xelister> cosurgi: got 3 blocks on New Year
3571 2011-02-24 21:48:32 <gasteve> I know...still, I'm dying to see it find one...it's like an addition checking in on it
3572 2011-02-24 21:48:40 <gasteve> *addiction
3573 2011-02-24 21:49:09 <nanotube> hehe
3574 2011-02-24 21:49:55 <mekel> ERROR: Invalid block found on cayman (#1), possible driver or hardware issue. never seen that b4
3575 2011-02-24 21:50:03 <cosurgi> omg, claiming that 10 minutes in online shopping is fast is a bit stretchy too :)
3576 2011-02-24 21:50:09 <cosurgi> that was me, who wrote that
3577 2011-02-24 21:51:10 <cosurgi> maybe some kind of sub-proof-of work could help here?
3578 2011-02-24 21:51:25 <cosurgi> I have an idea.
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3580 2011-02-24 21:52:36 <cosurgi> Let's say, that to broadcast a transaction, you can attach a proof of work to it, with a much smaller difficulty.
3581 2011-02-24 21:53:31 <cosurgi> so, there can be multiple double-spends in the network, but each transaction will travel between p2p nodes with a proof-of-work attached.
3582 2011-02-24 21:54:03 <cosurgi> And, for generating a block, the transaction with highest sub-proof-of work will be chosen to include into a block.
3583 2011-02-24 21:54:48 <cosurgi> So, you, to make an attack would need to pay to the shop - make a transaction, then immediately make another transaction and attach the best sub-proof-of-work that you can do.
3584 2011-02-24 21:55:17 <cosurgi> The shop when it receives your transaction, will immediately start adding it's own sub-proofs-of work, and broadcast it.
3585 2011-02-24 21:55:21 <cosurgi> er...
3586 2011-02-24 21:55:29 <cosurgi> now we have a GPU war between you and the shop.
3587 2011-02-24 21:55:34 <cosurgi> hmmm....
3588 2011-02-24 21:55:37 <mekel> lol
3589 2011-02-24 21:56:58 <mmarker> ;;bc,prob 76000 2d
3590 2011-02-24 21:56:58 <gribble> 0.0804448609861
3591 2011-02-24 21:57:02 <mmarker> Ouch
3592 2011-02-24 21:57:09 <cosurgi> but, the shop will rent a service which will do just that - attach sub-proofs-of work to transactions. Just like right now there are services which you use for online paying with credit cards.
3593 2011-02-24 21:57:47 <mmarker> Oh sweet. I may have C64 dsp code for jgarzik's miner tonight
3594 2011-02-24 21:58:31 <gasteve> I've thought through the double spending scenarios and potential speed of confirmation as well as scaling issues...I think I've pretty well convinced myself that none of these are issues (not to discourage others from brainstorming...better to have people thinking through possible issues than not)
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3597 2011-02-24 21:59:58 <cosurgi> then those transactions will just keep getting better and better proof of work, until they get into a block.
3598 2011-02-24 22:00:06 <genjix2> hey I sent a payment to an address 5 hours ago and it's got 0 confirms
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3600 2011-02-24 22:00:27 <gasteve> one threat I think I do see is a large, well funded attempt to take over the network...not with an objective of stealing, but with an objective of creating issues and cause people to lose confidence in the system
3601 2011-02-24 22:00:35 <nanotube> cosurgi: solution in search of a problem.
3602 2011-02-24 22:00:36 <genjix2> am I correct when I say that the other wallet does not need to be online to receive bitcoins?
3603 2011-02-24 22:00:43 <mekel> im averaging about 240,000 khashes/sec with the hd 6950
3604 2011-02-24 22:01:02 <nanotube> genjix2: yes, receiver doesn't need to be online.
3605 2011-02-24 22:01:03 <genjix2> I sent at 1735 and now it's 2153
3606 2011-02-24 22:01:14 <nanotube> are you sure your sending node was connected to the network?
3607 2011-02-24 22:01:17 <genjix2> yep... so why is it taking so long?
3608 2011-02-24 22:01:18 <nanotube> was your tx broadcast?
3609 2011-02-24 22:01:21 <genjix2> 7 connections
3610 2011-02-24 22:01:28 <cosurgi> in fact, when finding hashes - you are constantly finding proofs of work, they are just below the limit. So if, each time, when you find a hash that is better than the previous one - you could broadcast it - this will be a sub-proof-of work for these transactions. Other p2p nodes, wil see that these transactions already got "that high" with their proofs-of-work.
3611 2011-02-24 22:01:40 <genjix2> how can I get the tx from the bitcoin gui client?
3612 2011-02-24 22:02:22 <nanotube> genjix2: client will rebroadcast unconfirmed tx every half hour or so
3613 2011-02-24 22:02:52 <Diablo-D3> discovery has launched
3614 2011-02-24 22:03:29 <genjix2> txid fcf8d4487dc2d351879d2e2788e2b9554b80607c29e078f3b2b821496deb0f0e
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3618 2011-02-24 22:11:52 <cosurgi> hmm.. there's a shop with board games, I'll try to convince them to use bitcoin.
3619 2011-02-24 22:11:55 <cosurgi> rebel.pl
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3621 2011-02-24 22:13:25 <cosurgi> they sell english games too, and also send overseas. Would you buy a board game from them?
3622 2011-02-24 22:13:41 <genjix2> lol there was a zombie bitcoin process
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3624 2011-02-24 22:16:29 <genjix2> hey guys
3625 2011-02-24 22:16:33 <genjix2> u wunna hav sum fun
3626 2011-02-24 22:17:05 <AmpEater> I do
3627 2011-02-24 22:17:25 <xelister> genjix2: I have 50 bitcoins, but pictures first
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3629 2011-02-24 22:17:43 <xelister> <_<
3630 2011-02-24 22:18:00 <genjix2> xelister, how much and for what
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3633 2011-02-24 22:20:01 <genjix2> cooke and kleens
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3639 2011-02-24 22:26:47 <xelister> paypal fags blocked account with funds for Bradley Manning. Another reason to use bitcoin?
3640 2011-02-24 22:28:09 <bk128-Droid> Or another reason to not paypal
3641 2011-02-24 22:28:16 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: yo
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3644 2011-02-24 22:28:43 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: how do point my domain to the VPS?
3645 2011-02-24 22:29:10 <cosurgi> xelister: how much did they block?
3646 2011-02-24 22:29:21 * cosurgi tris to figure what's the limit when dealing with paypal.
3647 2011-02-24 22:30:05 <xelister> cosurgi: dunno, see slashdot :)
3648 2011-02-24 22:30:09 <Kiba> yeah baby!
3649 2011-02-24 22:30:13 <cosurgi> what those fags will do if I call them and ask what's the limit?
3650 2011-02-24 22:30:14 <Kiba> 681 posts and moar!
3651 2011-02-24 22:30:52 <cosurgi> I'll say - I want to transfer some amounts of money, what is the limit of transfer so that you will not block my account?
3652 2011-02-24 22:31:05 <cosurgi> And they will answer, omg, wtf, we blocked you already.
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3660 2011-02-24 22:39:41 <doublec> mtgox freezes funds too. What's different between them and paypal?
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3664 2011-02-24 22:41:32 <mekel> bbl guys
3665 2011-02-24 22:44:09 <slush> doublec: you don't need to use mtgox and still trade bitcoins
3666 2011-02-24 22:44:39 <slush> doublec: but yes, the mtgox case is precedence
3667 2011-02-24 22:44:55 <doublec> slush: you don't need to use paypal for internet payments either.
3668 2011-02-24 22:45:11 <doublec> slush: I'm just saying that the issues with paypal can happen in the btc world too
3669 2011-02-24 22:45:36 <jgarzik> 10 years from now, you'll be able to use PPBTC alongside PPUSD
3670 2011-02-24 22:45:43 <slush> personally, I think mtgox has really some evidence against baron. But I think his business is to exchange money, not judge users
3671 2011-02-24 22:46:19 <doublec> I'm inclined to agree. But I guess it really depends on the full story. Maybe the btc/money was stolen from him in the first place.
3672 2011-02-24 22:46:36 <slush> maybe, we will see
3673 2011-02-24 22:47:30 <doublec> It would be fascinating to see what the spread out of tained btc would be if we had a taint registry
3674 2011-02-24 22:47:37 <doublec> how quickly it becomes diluted, etc
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3677 2011-02-24 23:01:23 <phantomcircuit> wtf is the point of the checksum in the message_header
3678 2011-02-24 23:01:29 <phantomcircuit> dont trust tcp?
3679 2011-02-24 23:01:31 <phantomcircuit> >.>
3680 2011-02-24 23:01:51 <xelister> phantomcircuit: can be easly tampered with heh ;)
3681 2011-02-24 23:02:01 <xelister> not that a simple checkum precents this though
3682 2011-02-24 23:02:17 <phantomcircuit> xelister, not any more so than the checksum
3683 2011-02-24 23:02:53 <phantomcircuit> not to mention the client should be assuming peers are actively hostile and trying to fux with it so who cares about checksums?
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3686 2011-02-24 23:03:57 <phantomcircuit> bah it makes it much harder to write a client w/o an internal buffer
3687 2011-02-24 23:04:10 <phantomcircuit> well whatever
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3690 2011-02-24 23:08:43 <xelister> phantomcircuit: yea
3691 2011-02-24 23:09:06 <xelister> phantomcircuit: well you can have more anonymous bitcoin with TOR. or perhaps soon also I2P and FreeNet (our new idea)
3692 2011-02-24 23:09:13 <xelister> and more secure btw
3693 2011-02-24 23:09:23 <phantomcircuit> xelister, not really what i meant
3694 2011-02-24 23:10:13 <xelister> bbl guys
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3705 2011-02-24 23:33:01 <uni4dfx> hello, i have a quick question: how does poclbm know which account to use on a remote bitcoind server?
3706 2011-02-24 23:33:41 <sipa> you tell it to
3707 2011-02-24 23:33:47 <sipa> username/password
3708 2011-02-24 23:34:10 <uni4dfx> isn't that just for the rpc?
3709 2011-02-24 23:34:23 <sipa> yes
3710 2011-02-24 23:34:41 <sipa> oh, you mean which bitcoin address to send the money to?
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3712 2011-02-24 23:34:45 <uni4dfx> yes
3713 2011-02-24 23:34:45 <sipa> that gets generated?
3714 2011-02-24 23:34:50 <sipa> it doesn't know
3715 2011-02-24 23:34:52 <uni4dfx> because i'm getting cca 60khash/s on the client end, but bitcoind says it's 0
3716 2011-02-24 23:35:04 <sipa> 60 khash/s?
3717 2011-02-24 23:35:17 <uni4dfx> sorry, 60*10^3khash/s
3718 2011-02-24 23:35:26 <sipa> yeah, bitcoind doesn't see this
3719 2011-02-24 23:35:39 <sipa> the miner only sends something to bitcoind when it finds a block
3720 2011-02-24 23:35:47 <sipa> but bitcoind has no idea how fast the miner is working
3721 2011-02-24 23:35:53 <uni4dfx> aah thank you
3722 2011-02-24 23:36:02 <sipa> ;;bc,calc 60000
3723 2011-02-24 23:36:04 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 60000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 4 weeks, 2 days, 4 hours, 58 minutes, and 20 seconds
3724 2011-02-24 23:36:10 <sipa> and that may take 4 weeks...
3725 2011-02-24 23:36:23 <uni4dfx> 4 weeks for a block
3726 2011-02-24 23:36:31 <uni4dfx> and how much is it worth?
3727 2011-02-24 23:36:37 <sipa> a block is 50BTC
3728 2011-02-24 23:36:50 <sipa> around 45USD
3729 2011-02-24 23:36:51 <uni4dfx> oh okay, i think i'm getting a clearer picture now :)
3730 2011-02-24 23:37:01 <sipa> ask yourself whether that's worth it for you
3731 2011-02-24 23:37:36 <uni4dfx> yeah i'll do the calculations
3732 2011-02-24 23:37:46 <uni4dfx> i was just a bit confused about this miner client
3733 2011-02-24 23:37:56 <uni4dfx> but thanks for clearing that up!
3734 2011-02-24 23:38:44 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,stats
3735 2011-02-24 23:38:46 <gribble> Current Blocks: 110236 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 643 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 1 hour, 24 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51440.26157881
3736 2011-02-24 23:39:04 <jgarzik> Does anyone know current number of blocks, on testnet v2?
3737 2011-02-24 23:39:59 <sc8nt4u> ;;bc,calc 1250000
3738 2011-02-24 23:40:00 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1250000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 1 day, 10 hours, 47 minutes, and 55 seconds
3739 2011-02-24 23:41:51 <jrabbit> I think I'm gettign a crash on macosx
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3741 2011-02-24 23:42:44 <jrabbit> nvm it works now
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3745 2011-02-24 23:43:34 <uni4dfx> ;;bc,calc 250000
3746 2011-02-24 23:43:35 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 250000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 1 week, 0 days, 5 hours, 59 minutes, and 36 seconds
3747 2011-02-24 23:43:48 <jrabbit> wow when did btc come close to USD is this a trend or just a fluke?
3748 2011-02-24 23:45:38 <noagendamarket> its happened before
3749 2011-02-24 23:45:51 <noagendamarket> it got to 1.12 or something before
3750 2011-02-24 23:46:14 <noagendamarket> then it c rashed now its back to parity
3751 2011-02-24 23:46:45 <sipa> that was no crash
3752 2011-02-24 23:46:51 <sipa> just a few large sells
3753 2011-02-24 23:47:00 <uni4dfx> is there a chart somewhere showing how much khps a certain GPU gets?
3754 2011-02-24 23:47:16 <sipa> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
3755 2011-02-24 23:47:50 <uni4dfx> thank you
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3762 2011-02-24 23:59:15 <uni4dfx> ;;bc,calc 90000
3763 2011-02-24 23:59:17 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 90000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 2 weeks, 6 days, 3 hours, 18 minutes, and 53 seconds