1 2011-02-25 00:00:14 <slush> What happen when miner include into block some transaction, which is already included in previous block?
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   3 2011-02-25 00:00:48 <slush> will be the block still valid?
   4 2011-02-25 00:00:56 <ArtForz> no
   5 2011-02-25 00:01:05 <Diablo-D3> slush: that wouldnt even make sense
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   8 2011-02-25 00:02:04 <slush> so miner have to check that tx isn't already included in blockchain?
   9 2011-02-25 00:02:43 <[Noodles]> miner already knows, doesnt he?
  10 2011-02-25 00:03:09 <slush> well, I'm asking "what if"
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  12 2011-02-25 00:03:42 <slush> because this means miner have to know whole blockchain
  13 2011-02-25 00:03:43 <uni4dfx> ;;bc,calc 700000
  14 2011-02-25 00:03:44 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 700000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 2 days, 14 hours, 8 minutes, and 25 seconds
  15 2011-02-25 00:04:49 <sipa> slush: it always does need to know the whole blockchain
  16 2011-02-25 00:04:59 <sipa> since its prevhash must point to the last block
  17 2011-02-25 00:05:07 <slush> _last_ block
  18 2011-02-25 00:05:17 <sipa> ah
  19 2011-02-25 00:05:20 <slush> so miner does not need to know whole block chain
  20 2011-02-25 00:05:27 <slush> for this
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  24 2011-02-25 00:06:01 <sipa> right, but everytime you see a block, you erase the transaction in it from your list (and maybe remember those you haven't seen yet that are in it as well)
  25 2011-02-25 00:07:13 <uni4dfx> what happens if the difficulty changes while you're still calculating by the old difficulty? does everything get discarded?
  26 2011-02-25 00:07:33 <slush> yes, but when malicious node send invalid tx to me and I include it into my block, what happen?
  27 2011-02-25 00:07:42 <sipa> uni4dfx: you can't ever do that
  28 2011-02-25 00:07:44 <slush> say I know last 10 blocks...
  29 2011-02-25 00:08:00 <sipa> since the difficulty changes at a particulat block number
  30 2011-02-25 00:08:12 <sipa> as soon as you start working on that block, you change the difficulty
  31 2011-02-25 00:08:29 <uni4dfx> ;;bc,calc 90000
  32 2011-02-25 00:08:31 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 90000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 2 weeks, 6 days, 3 hours, 18 minutes, and 53 seconds
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  34 2011-02-25 00:10:50 <devon_hillard> bitcoin crunchers in javascript or flash
  35 2011-02-25 00:10:53 <devon_hillard> anyone did them?
  36 2011-02-25 00:11:11 <slush> devon_hillard: javascript is extremely slow
  37 2011-02-25 00:11:13 <slush> I tried that
  38 2011-02-25 00:11:18 <devon_hillard> exploit users going to your site
  39 2011-02-25 00:11:23 <devon_hillard> by making them mine a few hashes :)
  40 2011-02-25 00:11:40 <slush> flash is better candidate, new flash version has also (limited) support for GPU
  41 2011-02-25 00:11:49 <devon_hillard> hm...
  42 2011-02-25 00:11:50 <slush> I already discussed flash GPU miner with my colleague :)
  43 2011-02-25 00:12:12 <devon_hillard> I disabled flash gpu-acceleration
  44 2011-02-25 00:12:20 <devon_hillard> it was eating into the miner's turf
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  50 2011-02-25 00:21:10 <bk128> ArtForz: how long / what temp can you bake a motherboard to dry it?
  51 2011-02-25 00:21:58 <ArtForz> like, water?
  52 2011-02-25 00:22:04 <bk128> yeah
  53 2011-02-25 00:22:10 <ArtForz> I'd go for 24h at 85°C
  54 2011-02-25 00:22:18 <bk128> didnt think i should use acetone
  55 2011-02-25 00:22:26 <bk128> would rubbing alcohol be safe?
  56 2011-02-25 00:22:54 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,stats
  57 2011-02-25 00:22:54 <ArtForz> I wouldnt wanna risk it, who knows what plastics are to be found there
  58 2011-02-25 00:22:57 <gribble> Current Blocks: 110242 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 637 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 0 hours, 32 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51440.26157881
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  60 2011-02-25 00:23:23 <bk128> ok.  I pulled out the battery, cpu, and everything else.  should I just throw it on a piece of wood in there?
  61 2011-02-25 00:23:39 <bk128> or a metal pan
  62 2011-02-25 00:23:58 <bk128> or cardboard?
  63 2011-02-25 00:24:03 <ArtForz> yes ;)
  64 2011-02-25 00:24:10 <bk128> yes which one? lol
  65 2011-02-25 00:24:14 <ArtForz> doesnt really matter
  66 2011-02-25 00:24:35 <bk128> okay
  67 2011-02-25 00:25:05 <ArtForz> and USE A THERMOMETER
  68 2011-02-25 00:25:23 <bk128> :) got a fluke multimeter w/ a temp probe :)
  69 2011-02-25 00:25:44 <bk128> what would you put it on?
  70 2011-02-25 00:26:31 <ArtForz> usually just use a metal pan + antistick sheet
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  72 2011-02-25 00:27:06 <ArtForz> managed to salvage a laptop mainboard that had a pop accident that way
  73 2011-02-25 00:27:55 <ArtForz> = wash with water + dish soap, rinse, final rinse with demin water, dry for 24h
  74 2011-02-25 00:27:56 <bk128> this one was in a bakery kitchen for a year above a mixer.  has greasy dust/ flour caked all over it
  75 2011-02-25 00:28:05 <ArtForz> ewww
  76 2011-02-25 00:28:38 <ArtForz> well, at least it wasnt a tire/brake shop
  77 2011-02-25 00:28:51 <bk128> lol yeah
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  79 2011-02-25 00:31:24 <bk128> http://imgur.com/a/y7ltL
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  81 2011-02-25 00:32:11 <ArtForz> ouch
  82 2011-02-25 00:33:54 <ArtForz> btw, don't forget the PSU, also all fans are pretty suspect in such a case
  83 2011-02-25 00:36:01 <ArtForz> but yeah, looks like a case for "disassemble, wash, rinse, dry"
  84 2011-02-25 00:37:00 <ArtForz> final rinse with demin is usually a good idea, otherwise you get water rings
  85 2011-02-25 00:38:58 <bk128> yeah, just washed it again with soap and poured some distilled water on it
  86 2011-02-25 00:39:06 <ArtForz> yep
  87 2011-02-25 00:39:07 <bk128> psu I opened up and wiped all the crap off
  88 2011-02-25 00:39:34 <bk128> fans I washed, have one sitting behind my video cards spinning in the warm air
  89 2011-02-25 00:39:59 <ArtForz> well, I usually dont trust fans that sat in such a env, way too high chance of crap having gotten into bearings
  90 2011-02-25 00:40:33 <bk128> psu fan is weird,  it's like 20-30 mm
  91 2011-02-25 00:40:40 <bk128> it's a shuttle pc
  92 2011-02-25 00:41:34 <ArtForz> aww, shit
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  96 2011-02-25 00:48:19 <bk128> does it really take 24 hrs?
  97 2011-02-25 00:48:48 <ArtForz> well, I'm just paranoid that way
  98 2011-02-25 00:48:48 <bk128> I guess water under the chipset and in the cpu socket could sit there
  99 2011-02-25 00:48:52 <ArtForz> yeah
 100 2011-02-25 00:49:40 <bk128> we have a stupid gas oven in our apartment.  dunno if I should leave it on tomorrow when I'm gone at school
 101 2011-02-25 00:49:48 <ArtForz> btw, adding a bowl of silica gel also isnt a bad idea
 102 2011-02-25 00:50:01 <bk128> in the oven?
 103 2011-02-25 00:50:05 <ArtForz> I use a old electric convection oven for drying shit
 104 2011-02-25 00:50:08 <ArtForz> yea
 105 2011-02-25 00:50:30 <ArtForz> the lower you can get local RH, the faster shit evaporates
 106 2011-02-25 00:50:35 <ArtForz> pretty obvious really
 107 2011-02-25 00:51:07 <ArtForz> btw, you can also dry silica gel for re-use by simply letting it sit in a oven at >100°C for a while
 108 2011-02-25 00:53:55 <bk128> yeah, I've seen that done before
 109 2011-02-25 00:54:25 <bk128> do you use the same oven for reflow?
 110 2011-02-25 00:55:10 <ArtForz> nope
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 112 2011-02-25 00:59:15 <bk128> should I have the thermocouple under the mobo? (I have it on top of 2 layers of paper towels on a cookie sheet
 113 2011-02-25 01:00:04 <midnightmagic> you can bake old magnetic tapes too as a restorative
 114 2011-02-25 01:00:30 <bk128> that thin plastic doesnt just shrivel up and melt?
 115 2011-02-25 01:02:08 <midnightmagic> no those old reel-to-reel chunky ones that old-time-radio buffs used to record old radio with and then irritatingly left the tapes out in a garage for a half century to get pregnant with moisture.
 116 2011-02-25 01:03:08 <midnightmagic> so, Art. are you the reason why that difficulty jumped?!
 117 2011-02-25 01:03:26 <midnightmagic> :-)
 118 2011-02-25 01:03:27 <bk128> we're all part of the reason
 119 2011-02-25 01:03:48 <midnightmagic> not me, my contribution maxed out in late january. :)
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 121 2011-02-25 01:04:33 <ArtForz> nope
 122 2011-02-25 01:04:46 <ArtForz> still building the 2nd box
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 124 2011-02-25 01:08:58 <midnightmagic> a massive jump of 100GHash seemed a bit outside of what you were originally reaching for.. well then. wow. lots of individuals i guess! that is a positive thing, i think..
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 128 2011-02-25 01:09:51 <ArtForz> I kinda doubt that
 129 2011-02-25 01:10:20 <midnightmagic> oh? all that steve gibson+slashdot publicity..?
 130 2011-02-25 01:10:39 <ArtForz> yeah
 131 2011-02-25 01:10:48 <ArtForz> still doubt it's lots of individuals
 132 2011-02-25 01:11:03 <ArtForz> more likely half a dozen medium-sized ops
 133 2011-02-25 01:11:50 <midnightmagic> i wonder if they realise what will happen to confidence in the currency if they scare away the individual miners.
 134 2011-02-25 01:12:13 <ArtForz> nothing, really
 135 2011-02-25 01:13:36 <midnightmagic> consolidation of mining strength into the hands of a half-dozen medium-sized ops means they have a chance of identifying each other and collaborating on currency manipulation, doesn't it?
 136 2011-02-25 01:14:37 <ArtForz> not really
 137 2011-02-25 01:14:41 <bk128> ArtForz: having trouble keeping the oven temp down.  is 90C going to kill it?
 138 2011-02-25 01:14:48 <ArtForz> no
 139 2011-02-25 01:15:00 <ArtForz> but I wouldnt go > 100 at least for a few hours
 140 2011-02-25 01:15:14 <ArtForz> don't want shit that still has water trapped to go *pop*
 141 2011-02-25 01:15:20 <bk128> what goes first?  electrolytics and plastics?
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 143 2011-02-25 01:15:32 <ArtForz> plastics usually
 144 2011-02-25 01:15:37 <Blitzboom> how do i do a rescan?
 145 2011-02-25 01:15:42 <Blitzboom> for missing transactions
 146 2011-02-25 01:15:45 <ArtForz> 'lytics are quite sturdy
 147 2011-02-25 01:15:53 <Blitzboom> bitcoin.exe -rescan in cmd?
 148 2011-02-25 01:16:00 <ArtForz> hey, they have to handle reflow soldering...
 149 2011-02-25 01:16:04 <Blitzboom> because that didn’t work for me
 150 2011-02-25 01:16:10 <bk128> yeah.  but only for a little bit :)
 151 2011-02-25 01:16:25 <ArtForz> still usually 5min+ > 150°C
 152 2011-02-25 01:16:38 <bk128> did you program your reflow oven to do the ramp up/ ramp down heating pattern?
 153 2011-02-25 01:16:38 <midnightmagic> hey Blitzboom aren't you the guy who got his wallet stolen?
 154 2011-02-25 01:16:45 <ArtForz> yeah
 155 2011-02-25 01:16:47 <bk128> wow
 156 2011-02-25 01:16:48 <Blitzboom> uhm yes
 157 2011-02-25 01:16:58 <ArtForz> though I pretty much ramp up at 100%
 158 2011-02-25 01:17:00 <midnightmagic> feel for ya man. hats off to the folks who helped you recover.
 159 2011-02-25 01:17:01 <Blitzboom> but it’s just a convenience matter now
 160 2011-02-25 01:17:11 <Blitzboom> yeah. props to them
 161 2011-02-25 01:17:20 <bk128> how'd it get stolen? patch.exe or the backup service?
 162 2011-02-25 01:17:22 <ArtForz> except when temp close to heaters goes > 450°C
 163 2011-02-25 01:17:30 <Blitzboom> bk128: right, it was java
 164 2011-02-25 01:17:30 <midnightmagic> backup trojan according to the forum post..
 165 2011-02-25 01:17:38 <ArtForz> then I throttle back for a while to avoid heaters emitting too much IR
 166 2011-02-25 01:17:43 <Blitzboom> anyway
 167 2011-02-25 01:17:56 <Blitzboom> does anyone know how to get the client to search for missing transactions?
 168 2011-02-25 01:17:57 <ArtForz> I'm doing convection, not IR reflow ;)
 169 2011-02-25 01:18:02 <Blitzboom> i changed my wallets and want it to update
 170 2011-02-25 01:18:04 <bk128> :)
 171 2011-02-25 01:18:10 <Blitzboom> so how do i do that?
 172 2011-02-25 01:18:28 <echelon> so.. anyone interested in a bitcoin assassination market?
 173 2011-02-25 01:18:32 <bk128> fancy reflow oven.  want to sell me a controller :)
 174 2011-02-25 01:18:36 <Blitzboom> echelon: i am
 175 2011-02-25 01:18:49 <echelon> you have 100.000btc?
 176 2011-02-25 01:18:58 <bk128> I'm not nearly good enough at programming MCU's yet
 177 2011-02-25 01:19:01 <Blitzboom> 100k? not yet :D
 178 2011-02-25 01:19:05 <echelon> :/
 179 2011-02-25 01:19:22 <Blitzboom> man, i want those transactions to update
 180 2011-02-25 01:19:29 <Blitzboom> how the hell do i do that without deleting the blockfiles?
 181 2011-02-25 01:19:37 <echelon> well, i can do 20.000 for individuals, and 100.000 for like royal families
 182 2011-02-25 01:19:43 <Blitzboom> i thought that was sorted out with 0.3.20
 183 2011-02-25 01:19:51 <jrabbit> btw
 184 2011-02-25 01:19:54 <echelon> Blitzboom, -rescan
 185 2011-02-25 01:19:58 <ArtForz> yeah, 0.3.20 should support -rescan
 186 2011-02-25 01:19:59 <midnightmagic> good grief, echelon..
 187 2011-02-25 01:20:01 <Blitzboom> echelon: i tried that in cmd
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 189 2011-02-25 01:20:03 <jrabbit> whats that transmission fee do?
 190 2011-02-25 01:20:13 <jrabbit> where does it go?
 191 2011-02-25 01:20:19 <ArtForz> miners
 192 2011-02-25 01:20:22 <Blitzboom> how does it work, echelon?
 193 2011-02-25 01:20:30 <jrabbit> is there a blog post or something that explains it?
 194 2011-02-25 01:20:38 <ArtForz> yes
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 196 2011-02-25 01:21:16 <ArtForz> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fee
 197 2011-02-25 01:21:18 <echelon> Blitzboom, did you close the client before running the command?
 198 2011-02-25 01:21:26 <Blitzboom> yes
 199 2011-02-25 01:21:39 <Blitzboom> showed up and nothing happened
 200 2011-02-25 01:21:46 <Blitzboom> that transaction is still not accepted
 201 2011-02-25 01:21:50 <echelon> did you check blockexplorer?
 202 2011-02-25 01:21:51 <Blitzboom> although it happened
 203 2011-02-25 01:22:04 <ArtForz> at 0/unconfirmed?
 204 2011-02-25 01:22:08 <ArtForz> or doesnt show up at all?
 205 2011-02-25 01:22:12 <Blitzboom> hmm. i’ll chek
 206 2011-02-25 01:22:15 <Blitzboom> check*
 207 2011-02-25 01:22:32 <Blitzboom> looks like it never happened, haha
 208 2011-02-25 01:22:39 <Blitzboom> ok, that’s a bitcoin more for me
 209 2011-02-25 01:22:46 <Blitzboom> i don’t even know what it was for anymore
 210 2011-02-25 01:23:08 <Blitzboom> but how can it be not-confirmed?
 211 2011-02-25 01:23:16 <Blitzboom> what can cause this?
 212 2011-02-25 01:24:03 <ArtForz> not containing a required fee is a good candidate
 213 2011-02-25 01:25:48 <Blitzboom> ah, whatever
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 218 2011-02-25 01:33:55 <bk128> slush: ping
 219 2011-02-25 01:34:04 <slush> bk128: pong
 220 2011-02-25 01:34:46 <bk128> hey, whenever I mine to your pool, instead of to my local bitcoind, I get 550mhash vs 680 mhash (dual OC 5870's)
 221 2011-02-25 01:34:58 <bk128> is there a delay each time it has to getwork?
 222 2011-02-25 01:35:02 <bk128> and will pushwork fix this?
 223 2011-02-25 01:35:26 <bk128> using diablominer in debian, and taking the forever average after 10 mins or so
 224 2011-02-25 01:36:53 <slush> bk128: yes, it is mainly related to network overhead
 225 2011-02-25 01:36:58 <slush> and push will solve this
 226 2011-02-25 01:37:15 <bk128> ok.  :)  how will push work?  will we have to run a local daemon?
 227 2011-02-25 01:37:31 <slush> depends on miner. When miner will support the protocol, then no
 228 2011-02-25 01:37:43 <slush> for getwork-like miners, proxy will be needed
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 230 2011-02-25 01:37:53 <bk128> think diablo will update his?
 231 2011-02-25 01:38:02 <bk128> and what's the eta for pushwork?
 232 2011-02-25 01:38:35 <slush> I don't want to say any date yet
 233 2011-02-25 01:39:00 <bk128> ok.  thanks again for running the pool :)
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 237 2011-02-25 01:40:08 <[Tycho]> Hello, people.
 238 2011-02-25 01:50:08 <comboy> slush: have you just added some limit for workers or something like that?
 239 2011-02-25 01:50:31 <slush> no, why?
 240 2011-02-25 01:50:45 <comboy> well I got back to pool today, it worked great
 241 2011-02-25 01:50:49 <[Tycho]> My pool is finally open for testing :)
 242 2011-02-25 01:50:54 <comboy> just now only 3 workers work
 243 2011-02-25 01:51:14 <slush> [Tycho]: what url?
 244 2011-02-25 01:51:14 <comboy> when there are more they cannot connect
 245 2011-02-25 01:51:50 <[Tycho]> http://deepbit.net
 246 2011-02-25 01:51:58 <slush> I'm playing with firewall settings, maybe I accidentally cut you ;)
 247 2011-02-25 01:52:04 <slush> Try it again now
 248 2011-02-25 01:52:15 <comboy> but then these 3 would not work
 249 2011-02-25 01:52:40 <slush> [Tycho]: it is share based?
 250 2011-02-25 01:52:45 <comboy> still same
 251 2011-02-25 01:53:05 <slush> comboy: which IP?
 252 2011-02-25 01:53:22 <comboy> 89.78.116.157
 253 2011-02-25 01:54:07 <comboy> now was maintenance for a while
 254 2011-02-25 01:54:14 <[Tycho]> slush, yes.
 255 2011-02-25 01:54:49 <slush> [Tycho]: good to know ;)
 256 2011-02-25 01:55:21 <[Tycho]> Why ? :)
 257 2011-02-25 01:55:34 <comboy> slush: and looks like it is back, didy you change something?
 258 2011-02-25 01:56:03 <slush> comboy: yes
 259 2011-02-25 01:56:07 <comboy> damn ALWAYS when I type [Tycho] I'm trying to escape [ and I type \[Tychoo ;p
 260 2011-02-25 01:56:14 <[Tycho]> :))
 261 2011-02-25 01:56:17 <andrew12> so guys
 262 2011-02-25 01:56:20 <andrew12> i got a macbook pro
 263 2011-02-25 01:56:22 <andrew12> wat do
 264 2011-02-25 01:56:50 <comboy> slush: bad again, weird
 265 2011-02-25 01:57:24 <comboy> but today I was happily crunchingi with 8 workers x 300M, it was working great
 266 2011-02-25 01:57:35 <slush> comboy: well, I see 5 estabilished connections. How many workers do you have?
 267 2011-02-25 01:57:46 <andrew12> first thing i need is faster internet.. brb, rebooting my modem to see if it wants to work
 268 2011-02-25 01:57:52 <validus> use it as a door stop
 269 2011-02-25 01:57:57 <comboy> [Tycho]: competition seems good, I would just remove Forum right away, posting on official one gives you advertisement ;)
 270 2011-02-25 01:57:57 <validus> prob books up with it
 271 2011-02-25 01:58:16 <validus> leave it plugged in and use it as an ass warmer
 272 2011-02-25 01:58:18 <comboy> slush: let me get all 8 up
 273 2011-02-25 01:58:56 <[Tycho]> comboy, there is no forum :)
 274 2011-02-25 01:59:12 <[Tycho]> comboy, it will be a link to official one.
 275 2011-02-25 01:59:38 <comboy> [Tycho]: i c
 276 2011-02-25 01:59:53 <comboy> slush: 5 trying to connect looks like without success
 277 2011-02-25 02:00:01 <comboy> slush: and 3 happily crunching
 278 2011-02-25 02:00:15 <slush> really weird
 279 2011-02-25 02:00:46 <comboy> and it was working for like 8 hours, no change from my side then 5 workers with timeuts
 280 2011-02-25 02:00:58 <comboy> like.. I dont know an hour ago
 281 2011-02-25 02:02:08 <comboy> I'll double check everything on my side, thanks for time anyway, if you have any idea what that could be please ping me on irc
 282 2011-02-25 02:02:34 <slush> well, I implemented some firewall rules because of today's DoS
 283 2011-02-25 02:02:48 <slush> But I don't see a reason why it should cut your connections
 284 2011-02-25 02:03:02 <slush> do you see any error on your side?
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 288 2011-02-25 02:03:27 <comboy> Can't connect to Bitcoin: Connection timeud out
 289 2011-02-25 02:03:41 <comboy> that's all I see after some time of waiting (diablo miner)
 290 2011-02-25 02:03:46 <slush> which is your ping to mining.bitcoin.cz?
 291 2011-02-25 02:04:10 <comboy> which? I tried pining it was ok
 292 2011-02-25 02:04:41 <comboy> it started working again!
 293 2011-02-25 02:05:10 * comboy confused and happy
 294 2011-02-25 02:06:22 <comboy> uhm now down again..
 295 2011-02-25 02:06:31 <comboy> maybe it depends on which server I meet on your side
 296 2011-02-25 02:06:41 <comboy> I imagine you have some kind of balancer
 297 2011-02-25 02:07:22 <comboy> maybe just one server is refusing me and when I meet it it gets me stuck because of long timout.. but then these 3 workers would not work nicely all the time...
 298 2011-02-25 02:08:14 <slush> no, all requests go to the same server
 299 2011-02-25 02:08:24 <comboy> ok I'm possibly not helping you with more messages, so now it partially works (5 workers), pelase tell me if I can provide you some details and I'll update if it changes
 300 2011-02-25 02:13:51 <slush> comboy: works now?
 301 2011-02-25 02:14:24 <comboy> slush: 5/8
 302 2011-02-25 02:14:39 <slush> the rest throws some errors?
 303 2011-02-25 02:14:44 <comboy> no, actually back to 3
 304 2011-02-25 02:14:54 <comboy> yes timed out or just nothing and waits
 305 2011-02-25 02:15:01 <slush> hmm
 306 2011-02-25 02:15:12 <validus> arg i hate when im scrolled up lol
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 310 2011-02-25 02:24:07 <Blitzboom> oh man
 311 2011-02-25 02:24:26 <Blitzboom> these non-confirmed transactions which in fact are confirmed (blockexplorer) are beginning to really go on my nerves
 312 2011-02-25 02:24:39 <Blitzboom> -rescan in cmd does exactly nothing about that
 313 2011-02-25 02:24:57 <Blitzboom> i don’t get it
 314 2011-02-25 02:37:34 <Blitzboom> seriously, do i have to re-download the whole block chain everytime i change my wallets?
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 317 2011-02-25 02:43:10 <TheKid> Diablo-D3: you there?
 318 2011-02-25 02:43:32 <TheKid> or anyone that can help me setup diablo's miner on windows?
 319 2011-02-25 02:44:03 <jackmcbarn> ;;bc,calc 12800
 320 2011-02-25 02:44:04 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 12800 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 20 weeks, 1 day, 14 hours, 18 minutes, and 27 seconds
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 329 2011-02-25 03:11:31 <TheKid> Diablo-D3: stop being afk
 330 2011-02-25 03:11:32 <TheKid> :P
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 341 2011-02-25 03:50:39 <Diablo-D3> what
 342 2011-02-25 03:50:45 <Diablo-D3> heh hes not here
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 344 2011-02-25 03:53:47 <jgarzik> anybody have a GPU miner, willing to help test a pool real quick?  just require a new url, username, password and a couple minutes of your GPU time.
 345 2011-02-25 03:54:15 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: heh?
 346 2011-02-25 03:54:19 <[Tycho]> Hello, jgarzik.
 347 2011-02-25 03:54:29 <jgarzik> hello
 348 2011-02-25 03:55:27 <[Tycho]> Is your miner open-source ?
 349 2011-02-25 03:55:51 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: Yes.  https://github.com/jgarzik/cpuminer
 350 2011-02-25 03:56:27 <[Tycho]> Thanks.
 351 2011-02-25 03:56:47 <[Tycho]> Should look why it does this...
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 354 2011-02-25 03:59:52 <doublec> jgarzik: I have a GPU miner but it only does 9000 khash/s. Can test if its useful.
 355 2011-02-25 04:00:03 <jgarzik> doublec: yes, please
 356 2011-02-25 04:00:07 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: is the pool software open source?
 357 2011-02-25 04:00:15 <[Tycho]> Oh, you did new pool too :)
 358 2011-02-25 04:00:18 <doublec> jgarzik: ok, ready when you are
 359 2011-02-25 04:02:10 <bk128> jgarzik: still need more testers?
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 361 2011-02-25 04:05:12 <[Noodles]> could add 300M for testing too
 362 2011-02-25 04:05:53 <jgarzik> [Noodles]: if you could spare the GPU for five or ten minutes, that would be great
 363 2011-02-25 04:05:57 <jgarzik> GPU(s)
 364 2011-02-25 04:09:25 <Diablo-D3> ANSWER ME JGARZIK
 365 2011-02-25 04:10:19 zzuper has joined
 366 2011-02-25 04:10:24 <zzuper> is the "work" component modular in the code?
 367 2011-02-25 04:14:08 <Diablo-D3> zzuper: no.
 368 2011-02-25 04:14:27 <zzuper> that would kick ass
 369 2011-02-25 04:14:27 <zzuper> : ]
 370 2011-02-25 04:14:47 <zzuper> you could use it in games and stuff
 371 2011-02-25 04:15:12 <Diablo-D3> thats not really useful
 372 2011-02-25 04:15:17 <zzuper> or anything
 373 2011-02-25 04:15:18 <zzuper> : ]
 374 2011-02-25 04:16:36 <Diablo-D3> why would you need to do that?
 375 2011-02-25 04:16:51 <zzuper> as opposed to the work its doing now?
 376 2011-02-25 04:16:52 <zzuper> : S
 377 2011-02-25 04:17:34 <Diablo-D3> you cant make it do different work
 378 2011-02-25 04:17:44 <Diablo-D3> that'd make no sense, no one else could verify your work
 379 2011-02-25 04:18:26 <zzuper> well
 380 2011-02-25 04:18:41 <zzuper> right now we are staring at a grey box
 381 2011-02-25 04:19:10 <zzuper> doesnt really matter if youre playing a game doing somethingells
 382 2011-02-25 04:20:15 <jgarzik> thanks all for the help!
 383 2011-02-25 04:20:37 <Diablo-D3> zzuper: huh?
 384 2011-02-25 04:20:52 <Diablo-D3> I play games while gpu mining all the time
 385 2011-02-25 04:21:08 <validus> me to
 386 2011-02-25 04:21:18 <zzuper> ..
 387 2011-02-25 04:21:28 <zzuper> as a front for the mining i mean
 388 2011-02-25 04:21:29 <zzuper> : ]
 389 2011-02-25 04:21:37 <zzuper> a game could be the client
 390 2011-02-25 04:21:45 <validus> and watch dxva videos, and see how much my system will run befor it crashes lol
 391 2011-02-25 04:21:47 <zzuper> instead of staring at a box
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 393 2011-02-25 04:26:50 <knotwork> Apparently the Martians are quite interested in this cryptocurrency concept the Hackers are rumoured to use;
 394 2011-02-25 04:27:14 <knotwork> however a faction among them is interested in hjow one might make mining more egalitarian
 395 2011-02-25 04:27:41 <zzuper> : ]
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 397 2011-02-25 04:27:53 <knotwork> some way of helping out the little people whose supercomputers are merely personal supercomputers
 398 2011-02-25 04:27:54 * zzuper puts on tin foil hat
 399 2011-02-25 04:28:02 <knotwork> not corporate quantum computing farms
 400 2011-02-25 04:28:29 tobogin has quit (Client Quit)
 401 2011-02-25 04:29:19 <knotwork> They are concerned for example that the mythical/legendary powers of the Hackers might be a potential
 402 2011-02-25 04:30:00 <knotwork> threat were mere Martian technology used to attempt to form an interstellar Martian cryptocurrency
 403 2011-02-25 04:30:23 * zzuper spins his propeller on his tin foil hat
 404 2011-02-25 04:30:31 <knotwork> the possibly intergalactic Hacker processing power might earn way too much of the currency the
 405 2011-02-25 04:30:58 <knotwork> Martians would prefer to own most of themselves or have even lesser cultures than theirs own
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 409 2011-02-25 04:31:27 <knotwork> tin foil might deflect Martian subspace communications but not Hacker tech :)
 410 2011-02-25 04:32:28 <knotwork> (isn't there some ancient aphorism attributed to mythical planet Earth along lines of "Martian Intelligence is an Oxymoron" ? ;))
 411 2011-02-25 04:32:50 <zzuper> lol
 412 2011-02-25 04:32:52 <knotwork> ( s/Martian/Martial/ ? )
 413 2011-02-25 04:33:18 <zzuper> screw this
 414 2011-02-25 04:33:31 * zzuper puts on the alex jones show
 415 2011-02-25 04:33:47 <knotwork> *googles that...
 416 2011-02-25 04:35:10 <knotwork> hmm is he one of those anti- GUN (Galactic United Nations) types
 417 2011-02-25 04:35:55 <zzuper> haha
 418 2011-02-25 04:36:00 <zzuper> right out there man
 419 2011-02-25 04:39:53 <knotwork> a lot of naive ideas of how to detect and deprecate massively powerful hashing farms are too easy to defeat
 420 2011-02-25 04:40:23 <knotwork> might the Martians have to resort to simply using trust networks of nodes instead of allowing anyone to run a node?
 421 2011-02-25 04:40:50 <knotwork> even then though some trusted node might become corrupt and sneak in some excess tech
 422 2011-02-25 04:41:30 <zzuper> typical paranoia/schizo if your serious
 423 2011-02-25 04:41:30 <zzuper> : ]
 424 2011-02-25 04:42:14 <knotwork> well put it in mythic terms of the classic mythic planet Earth or some other primitive planet lacking quantum computer farms
 425 2011-02-25 04:42:34 <knotwork> a way to introduce a cryptocurrency for home users using CPUs to mine without them getting flooded out
 426 2011-02-25 04:42:39 <knotwork> by GPU users
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 428 2011-02-25 04:42:59 <knotwork> so longer term the at home types can earn their daily coins
 429 2011-02-25 04:43:29 <knotwork> possibly too apparently non-valuable for massive server farms to think worthwhile to mine
 430 2011-02-25 04:43:38 <zzuper> are you actually trying to say something?
 431 2011-02-25 04:43:41 <knotwork> yes
 432 2011-02-25 04:44:08 <zzuper> do i need to start my mining client to find the hashkey for that?
 433 2011-02-25 04:44:09 <zzuper> : ]
 434 2011-02-25 04:44:27 <knotwork> I would like an alternate botcoin type currency cpu miners could get into but that somehow will
 435 2011-02-25 04:44:36 <knotwork> avoid the gpu miners
 436 2011-02-25 04:44:47 <zzuper> why?
 437 2011-02-25 04:44:53 <zzuper> you want more bitcoins?
 438 2011-02-25 04:44:57 <knotwork> maybe even to run in parralel, your cpu does this trivial "oh its just a game why even bother" currency
 439 2011-02-25 04:45:08 <knotwork> while one's GPUs crunch away at "real money"
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 441 2011-02-25 04:45:42 <knotwork> I want at least one "game currency" that if need be can fight various legal challenges
 442 2011-02-25 04:45:59 <zzuper> where are you from?
 443 2011-02-25 04:46:07 <knotwork> on basis it is merely fictional currency in games not something various laws ought to apply to
 444 2011-02-25 04:46:10 <zzuper> are you talking to us thru gtranslate?
 445 2011-02-25 04:46:15 <knotwork> I am a Brit living in Canada
 446 2011-02-25 04:46:20 <zzuper> amazing
 447 2011-02-25 04:46:45 <zzuper> your primary language is english, yet we dont understand a word
 448 2011-02-25 04:46:46 <zzuper> : ]
 449 2011-02-25 04:46:57 <knotwork> the royal we ?
 450 2011-02-25 04:47:09 <knotwork> or you havew a tapeworm ?
 451 2011-02-25 04:47:26 <da2ce7> ;;bc,stats
 452 2011-02-25 04:47:28 <gribble> Current Blocks: 110280 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 599 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 20 hours, 23 minutes, and 9 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51477.87132035
 453 2011-02-25 04:47:47 <zzuper> damn
 454 2011-02-25 04:47:51 <zzuper> : D
 455 2011-02-25 04:48:15 <zzuper> so the currency dies after a short newsbreak   -__-
 456 2011-02-25 04:49:37 <TheKid> wow
 457 2011-02-25 04:49:41 <TheKid> impressive difficulty
 458 2011-02-25 04:50:20 <knotwork> maybe not so impressive given the specialised hardware so many are applying to it
 459 2011-02-25 04:50:30 <knotwork> it would be nice to have that will just at home CPU power
 460 2011-02-25 04:50:43 <knotwork> s/will/with/
 461 2011-02-25 04:50:43 <zzuper> well
 462 2011-02-25 04:51:04 <zzuper> you can try to compile it with optimizations for cpu
 463 2011-02-25 04:52:12 <knotwork> I am implementing the Martian currency by hacking the normal client's -testnet switch
 464 2011-02-25 04:52:47 <knotwork> so as to use pretty normal software other than it uses Martian net instead of testnet when -testnet switch is active
 465 2011-02-25 04:53:09 <zzuper> dude
 466 2011-02-25 04:53:30 <zzuper> normalize the lsd with a speedball or something
 467 2011-02-25 04:54:08 <knotwork> yuck acid cut with speed isnt nice
 468 2011-02-25 04:54:45 <bk128> wat
 469 2011-02-25 04:59:10 FellowTraveler has joined
 470 2011-02-25 04:59:31 <FellowTraveler> Hi all.
 471 2011-02-25 05:00:12 <knotwork> hey, the open transactions person, hi
 472 2011-02-25 05:00:52 <FellowTraveler> hi
 473 2011-02-25 05:01:37 <knotwork> I hae been using OT's tcl api to try to build it into an eggdrop irc bot
 474 2011-02-25 05:01:49 <knotwork> so far no problems
 475 2011-02-25 05:01:56 <FellowTraveler> the API docs are sufficient?
 476 2011-02-25 05:02:26 <knotwork> well no, not for tcl, not your docs. but tcl is simple so the generic docs of the api generator system have sufficed
 477 2011-02-25 05:02:48 <knotwork> but the general docs about what the api regardless of language interface actually does is good
 478 2011-02-25 05:03:01 <FellowTraveler> cool. I added tcl on a lark, too.
 479 2011-02-25 05:03:12 <knotwork> a few spots it was not obvious one would want to use the get responses thing to get the replies from server
 480 2011-02-25 05:03:24 <FellowTraveler> where specifically?
 481 2011-02-25 05:03:46 <knotwork> but they all queued so once I did get to that call I then saw responses from many earlier returns-a-null routines
 482 2011-02-25 05:04:00 <FellowTraveler> So you do have it working then, with withdrawals, deposits, etc?
 483 2011-02-25 05:04:16 <knotwork> I cannot recall offhand as I got sidetracked from the eggbots over a week ago now maybe two
 484 2011-02-25 05:04:16 <FellowTraveler> yeah you'll just make sure your tcl client regularly flushes the reply buffer before sending new requests
 485 2011-02-25 05:04:51 <FellowTraveler> Also I recently updated all the code in the past month or two, to add balance agreement and receipt verification.
 486 2011-02-25 05:04:53 <knotwork> I dont have it actually working yet no, I have only so far worked on the initialisation section of the script
 487 2011-02-25 05:05:00 <FellowTraveler> So if you have any problems with it, lemme know and I'll work through it with you
 488 2011-02-25 05:05:03 <knotwork> what it does when the bot initially fires up
 489 2011-02-25 05:05:11 <FellowTraveler> especially in case there's something on my side.
 490 2011-02-25 05:05:32 <knotwork> what I mostly chose OT for is the markets part, which of course is the part not complete yet
 491 2011-02-25 05:05:45 <FellowTraveler> I'll support you on it
 492 2011-02-25 05:05:49 <FellowTraveler> I can add API functions as needed
 493 2011-02-25 05:05:58 <knotwork> I am curious what use-cases you had in mind when creatng basket currencies
 494 2011-02-25 05:06:00 <FellowTraveler> anyone who is using OT I'll give them good support.
 495 2011-02-25 05:06:16 <knotwork> as I initially came at all this looking for code to use in games I immediately thought
 496 2011-02-25 05:06:37 <knotwork> aha, a spacceship basket could be so many drives so many turrets to many cargo bays so much labour
 497 2011-02-25 05:06:53 <knotwork> but the catch there is you dont get the labour back when you dis-assemble the basket
 498 2011-02-25 05:07:10 <knotwork> you'd instead pay more labout for the dis-assembly plus maybe the parts might have depreciated
 499 2011-02-25 05:07:31 <knotwork> however it still looks useful for selling spaceship kits :)
 500 2011-02-25 05:08:42 <knotwork> also the market I had been coding into tcl bots when I happened across OT worked a little differently
 501 2011-02-25 05:09:05 <knotwork> as it assumed the operator of the market would take profit from spread between offers and buys
 502 2011-02-25 05:09:21 <knotwork> so instead of saying oh there are some cheaper than you are willing to pay
 503 2011-02-25 05:09:34 <FellowTraveler> in OT markets are so new, I could add a "operator fee" for trades
 504 2011-02-25 05:09:43 <FellowTraveler> or a flat transaction fee for all transactions
 505 2011-02-25 05:09:47 <knotwork> it would say aha I can profit since you offer that much while another customer is willing to sell for less
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 507 2011-02-25 05:09:51 <FellowTraveler> or add it to the currency contracts as configurable
 508 2011-02-25 05:10:24 <knotwork> well these markets would not necessarily want the customers to be shouted at that this is how they operate
 509 2011-02-25 05:10:36 <knotwork> they would just like to quietly buy cheap and sell high
 510 2011-02-25 05:11:02 <knotwork> so onus is on customer not on market to not offer higher price than a seller actaully will sell for
 511 2011-02-25 05:11:19 <knotwork> both ways are good, they would be competing types of market
 512 2011-02-25 05:11:31 <knotwork> obviously customers would prefer a market that acts in their interest
 513 2011-02-25 05:12:19 <knotwork> basicaly I suppose it migt be more sensible to think of such a mode as a customer agent or customer emulator
 514 2011-02-25 05:12:23 <knotwork> instead of as a market
 515 2011-02-25 05:12:40 <knotwork> it acts how the customers of the market are trying to act: to buy low sell high
 516 2011-02-25 05:13:47 <knotwork> basically I have two types of bot, a market/escrow/warehouse bot that holds the goods/services
 517 2011-02-25 05:14:05 <knotwork> and agent bots that players would deploy to try to make them money on the markets
 518 2011-02-25 05:14:29 <knotwork> the market bot ensures the players that what they buy does exist and it is now theirs once bought
 519 2011-02-25 05:15:04 <knotwork> so basically agent bots sell stuff to the market bot and buy stuff from it, it is the trusted game-operator bot
 520 2011-02-25 05:15:26 <knotwork> the agent bots can brag all they want about how much they will buy or sell for,
 521 2011-02-25 05:15:40 <knotwork> but its only what they have told the market bot that actually counts
 522 2011-02-25 05:15:48 <knotwork> the rest is mere advertising/propaganda
 523 2011-02-25 05:16:07 <lfm> too much caff man
 524 2011-02-25 05:16:39 <FellowTraveler> on OT, you can open an account and write cheques on that account. In the same way you can also put up trades that go against that account
 525 2011-02-25 05:17:03 <FellowTraveler> so I might put up a trade to buy bitcoin, for dollars (or any two asset types that I want)
 526 2011-02-25 05:17:13 <FellowTraveler> then the market automatically processes it against all the other trades on the market.
 527 2011-02-25 05:17:14 <knotwork> yes, I like OT, and of course the fact it has the tcl interface is very convenient for eggdrop
 528 2011-02-25 05:17:39 <FellowTraveler> If you wanted to have bots using the client API, all managing different accounts, you can do that
 529 2011-02-25 05:17:52 <FellowTraveler> or you can have a single bot that just manages a bunch of diferent trades.
 530 2011-02-25 05:18:03 <FellowTraveler> you just use client API either way.
 531 2011-02-25 05:18:04 <knotwork> yes I want to get that working first before worrying about making an alternate strategy for the market
 532 2011-02-25 05:18:17 <FellowTraveler> I'd like to see the OT client API integrated into a bitcoin client, BTW which is why I'm here, to see if anyone is interested in that.
 533 2011-02-25 05:18:30 <lolcat> OT?
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 535 2011-02-25 05:22:08 <knotwork> what kind of intergration are you thinking of?
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 538 2011-02-25 05:23:56 <ALT_> I just installed bitcoin in ubuntu and I'm wondering where the keys etc are stored so I can back them up.
 539 2011-02-25 05:24:18 <lolcat> .bitocin?
 540 2011-02-25 05:24:49 <ALT_> You're a genius
 541 2011-02-25 05:26:34 <lfm> ya in the -configdir wallet.dat file
 542 2011-02-25 05:26:44 <lolcat> as I didn't manage to spell it rigth I beg to differ
 543 2011-02-25 05:27:22 <lfm> the dyslexics among us didnt notice
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 545 2011-02-25 05:29:47 <ALT_> Geniuses generally can't spell, the spend their time elsewhere
 546 2011-02-25 05:33:15 <bk128> waht?
 547 2011-02-25 05:33:22 <bk128> :)
 548 2011-02-25 05:38:08 <ALT_> What's with the sad face?
 549 2011-02-25 05:38:45 <zzuper> lol
 550 2011-02-25 05:38:51 <zzuper> skrota ditt mos
 551 2011-02-25 05:42:00 <Blitzboom> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7771470/whatisthis.png
 552 2011-02-25 05:42:05 <Blitzboom> i finally want an explanation
 553 2011-02-25 05:42:18 <Blitzboom> -rescan doesn’t help
 554 2011-02-25 05:43:14 <Blitzboom> someone help me out there, please. i hate a ui that doesn’t sohw me what i really have
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 556 2011-02-25 05:46:02 <lfm> thats the khash/s?
 557 2011-02-25 05:46:22 <Blitzboom> what? that’s my address
 558 2011-02-25 05:46:27 <lfm> or confirmations?
 559 2011-02-25 05:46:33 <Blitzboom> yeah, confirmations
 560 2011-02-25 05:46:37 <Blitzboom> 0 confirmations there
 561 2011-02-25 05:46:53 <Blitzboom> it’s a transaction of -50.1, as you can see
 562 2011-02-25 05:47:04 <lfm> ok the 10 blocks/hour on average act as confirmations for transactions
 563 2011-02-25 05:47:22 <lfm> ya, you generated it?
 564 2011-02-25 05:47:44 <Blitzboom> no, that’s a normal transaction
 565 2011-02-25 05:48:10 <Blitzboom> and it got through. but the damn client won’t show that it is confirmed
 566 2011-02-25 05:48:22 <Blitzboom> at least not on this wallet
 567 2011-02-25 05:48:31 <lfm> oh ok, someone sent it to ya, it should become "confirmed" once we have 6 blocks more generated onthe net
 568 2011-02-25 05:48:46 <Blitzboom> i know, that’s not the matter
 569 2011-02-25 05:48:56 <Blitzboom> the matter is it should show it
 570 2011-02-25 05:49:07 <Blitzboom> and i don’t know what’s fucked up there
 571 2011-02-25 05:49:35 <lfm> um, ok how long ago was it?
 572 2011-02-25 05:49:54 <Blitzboom> it’s on the screen
 573 2011-02-25 05:50:04 <Blitzboom> some hours ago
 574 2011-02-25 05:50:15 <Blitzboom> four almost
 575 2011-02-25 05:50:44 <lfm> hmm, you might try a recan (you have 0.3.20?)
 576 2011-02-25 05:50:49 <lfm> rescan
 577 2011-02-25 05:50:54 <Blitzboom> i tried that
 578 2011-02-25 05:50:59 <Blitzboom> [06:34:24] <Blitzboom> -rescan doesn’t help
 579 2011-02-25 05:51:09 <Blitzboom> bitcoin.exe -rescan
 580 2011-02-25 05:51:16 <Blitzboom> idk what i’m doing wrong
 581 2011-02-25 05:53:24 <lfm> can you give me 6 chars of the address so I can try to look it up on the blockexplorer?
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 583 2011-02-25 05:55:14 <lfm> maybe there is a communications problem and you are not getting out on the net
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 585 2011-02-25 05:55:39 <Blitzboom> it’s 100% confirmed as i sent it to my other wallet and it’s confirmed there
 586 2011-02-25 05:56:49 <lfm> oh, ok the sender is only having trouble? does it report the current #blocks correctly 110295?
 587 2011-02-25 05:57:29 <Blitzboom> noone is having trouble
 588 2011-02-25 05:57:36 <Blitzboom> the client’s having trouble updating it
 589 2011-02-25 05:57:46 <Blitzboom> yes, it’s up to date
 590 2011-02-25 05:58:29 <Diablo-D3> heh
 591 2011-02-25 05:58:39 <Diablo-D3> Blitzboom: you need to stick in one channel :D
 592 2011-02-25 05:58:46 <Blitzboom> hehe
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 594 2011-02-25 06:02:52 <lfm> ok I see it as Block #110258 2011-02-25 02:01:46 . everything should be up to date. dunno why your rescan doesnt work
 595 2011-02-25 06:03:08 <Diablo-D3> lfm: we're discussing this in -otc
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 598 2011-02-25 06:22:31 <bk128> anyone have an automatic encrypt > backup script they want to share?  looking for something I can throw in cron and sftp put somewhere
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 608 2011-02-25 06:37:48 <Diablo-D3> I have discovered the best webcomic ever
 609 2011-02-25 06:37:59 <Diablo-D3> http://www.the-gutters.com/comic/1-lar-desouza
 610 2011-02-25 06:38:04 <Diablo-D3> read it from the start
 611 2011-02-25 06:38:05 <Diablo-D3> it is lol
 612 2011-02-25 06:39:11 <[Tycho]> Diablo-D3, do you have diablominer running ?
 613 2011-02-25 06:42:27 <Diablo-D3> [Tycho]: ....
 614 2011-02-25 06:42:29 * Diablo-D3 looks
 615 2011-02-25 06:42:32 <Diablo-D3> Yes.
 616 2011-02-25 06:42:54 <[Tycho]> Can you give me one share to test if it's working with my pool ?
 617 2011-02-25 06:43:34 <Diablo-D3> _your_ pool? you have a pool?
 618 2011-02-25 06:43:37 <[Tycho]> Yes.
 619 2011-02-25 06:43:45 <Diablo-D3> is the software open source?
 620 2011-02-25 06:44:01 <[Tycho]> No, why would it be ?
 621 2011-02-25 06:44:18 <[Tycho]> But it's almost java :)
 622 2011-02-25 06:44:19 <lfm> it would help people to trust it
 623 2011-02-25 06:44:30 <Diablo-D3> damnit
 624 2011-02-25 06:44:39 <Diablo-D3> I should just fucking write my own fucking pool software, fuck.
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 626 2011-02-25 06:44:54 <[Tycho]> How it can help with trust ? They don't know if i'm running the same version as in the source.
 627 2011-02-25 06:45:17 <lfm> hiding it sure doesnt help
 628 2011-02-25 06:45:44 <[Tycho]> Hiding is normal, everyone does that. And statistics is available.
 629 2011-02-25 06:46:02 <lfm> ok have fun
 630 2011-02-25 06:46:07 <Diablo-D3> and it'll be so awesome
 631 2011-02-25 06:46:07 <Diablo-D3> that
 632 2011-02-25 06:46:14 <Diablo-D3> it'll just become bitcoin
 633 2011-02-25 06:46:16 * Diablo-D3 shall rule the world
 634 2011-02-25 06:46:27 <[Tycho]> It's not some cryptogarphy stuff to care about, it's just a pool.
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 637 2011-02-25 06:48:48 <Diablo-D3> RULLEE THEEE WOOORRRLLLLDDD
 638 2011-02-25 06:48:59 <prax> anyone help with mybitcoin SCI tools?
 639 2011-02-25 06:49:14 <nanotube> Diablo-D3: jgarzik wrote a pool server in python, and fossed it.
 640 2011-02-25 06:49:22 <Diablo-D3> HE DID?!
 641 2011-02-25 06:49:23 <Diablo-D3> URL NOW
 642 2011-02-25 06:49:25 <Diablo-D3> DO IT
 643 2011-02-25 06:49:25 <Diablo-D3> URL
 644 2011-02-25 06:49:26 <Diablo-D3> NOW
 645 2011-02-25 06:49:31 <Diablo-D3> (MOTHERFUCKERS)
 646 2011-02-25 06:49:41 <Diablo-D3> bitches love parentheses
 647 2011-02-25 06:50:06 <lfm> i thin pudinpop has a open pool server too
 648 2011-02-25 06:53:04 <[Tycho]> Somehow noone runs them.
 649 2011-02-25 06:53:23 <[Tycho]> It's a bit strange.
 650 2011-02-25 06:53:59 <Diablo-D3> CLEARLY
 651 2011-02-25 06:54:00 <Diablo-D3> ITS TIME FOR
 652 2011-02-25 06:54:02 <Diablo-D3> DIABLOPOOL
 653 2011-02-25 06:54:28 <bk128> only if you get pushwork going
 654 2011-02-25 06:54:38 <Blitzboom> ;;bc,stats
 655 2011-02-25 06:54:41 <gribble> Current Blocks: 110303 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 576 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 17 hours, 7 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51649.35073056
 656 2011-02-25 06:54:44 <bk128> I'll bring you a ghash/sec
 657 2011-02-25 06:55:09 <[Tycho]> bk128, why do you want push ? :)
 658 2011-02-25 06:55:54 <bk128> because normal adds a lot of network overhead.  I getwork solve immediately and have to wait a sec for the next getwork . cuts my average mhash from 680 to 560
 659 2011-02-25 06:56:27 <[Tycho]> 2x5870 ?
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 661 2011-02-25 06:56:43 <bk128> yeah, oc to 900
 662 2011-02-25 06:57:03 <[Tycho]> I don't think that there should be 1 sec delay with current m0mchil's miner.
 663 2011-02-25 06:57:24 <bk128> well, maybe not a full sec.  but it adds up
 664 2011-02-25 06:57:30 <bk128> also using diablominer
 665 2011-02-25 06:57:45 <[Tycho]> Unlucky you...
 666 2011-02-25 06:58:04 <bk128> using m0 on a win 7 box with another 5870
 667 2011-02-25 06:58:31 <bk128> havent tried benchmarking that one yet.  it's remote (parent's house :) )
 668 2011-02-25 06:58:40 <[Tycho]> :)
 669 2011-02-25 06:58:56 <[Tycho]> You are mining at slush's currently ?
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 672 2011-02-25 07:01:33 <bk128> pulled this one out of the pool because it was killing my hashrate
 673 2011-02-25 07:02:13 <[Tycho]> How ?
 674 2011-02-25 07:02:54 <bk128> like I said, network overhead.  it's a known issue.  slush said pushwork would fix it
 675 2011-02-25 07:04:58 <[Tycho]> So you are mining solo ?
 676 2011-02-25 07:09:32 <bk128> yeah for now.
 677 2011-02-25 07:10:33 <bk128> Diablo-D3: what am I doing wrong? http://pastie.org/1605247
 678 2011-02-25 07:11:01 <bk128> Diablo-D3: nevermind.  it's a problem with [Tycho] 's pool :)
 679 2011-02-25 07:11:41 <[Tycho]> Somehow m0mchil's parses this fine. Should see if there is any difference...
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 683 2011-02-25 07:13:02 <Diablo-D3> well
 684 2011-02-25 07:13:05 <Diablo-D3> its obviously not my miner.
 685 2011-02-25 07:13:08 <Diablo-D3> its clearly the pool
 686 2011-02-25 07:19:09 Kiba` is now known as kiba
 687 2011-02-25 07:19:55 <lfm> i like 386s
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 691 2011-02-25 07:23:14 <nanotube> Diablo-D3: http://yyz.us/bitcoin/poold.py
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 699 2011-02-25 07:36:19 <Diablo-D3> lol one whole script
 700 2011-02-25 07:37:00 <Diablo-D3> wait, thats all it takes to write a pool server?
 701 2011-02-25 07:38:23 <soultcer> The pool server is just glue between the miners and a bitcoind
 702 2011-02-25 07:38:56 <nanotube> yes
 703 2011-02-25 07:39:05 <soultcer> Clever glue though
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 709 2011-02-25 07:49:32 <Diablo-D3> I should write my own pool then
 710 2011-02-25 07:49:38 <Diablo-D3> and then make it extra awesome
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 719 2011-02-25 07:54:19 <bk128> Diablo-D3: sure
 720 2011-02-25 07:54:39 <Diablo-D3> if I do it right
 721 2011-02-25 07:54:47 <Diablo-D3> I can break slush's stranglehold
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 723 2011-02-25 07:54:52 <bk128> :)
 724 2011-02-25 07:55:01 <bk128> get pushwork out first and take 1.5%
 725 2011-02-25 07:55:02 [N00dles] is now known as [Noodles]
 726 2011-02-25 07:55:13 <Diablo-D3> bk128: no
 727 2011-02-25 07:55:23 <Diablo-D3> I have plans and schemes
 728 2011-02-25 07:55:39 <bk128> like what?
 729 2011-02-25 07:56:10 <Diablo-D3> cant tell you
 730 2011-02-25 07:56:17 <Diablo-D3> but it'd make it much more fair.
 731 2011-02-25 07:56:28 <bk128> how is it not fair now?
 732 2011-02-25 07:56:40 <Diablo-D3> well, I've put 5 blocks into slush's pool
 733 2011-02-25 07:56:45 <Diablo-D3> and gotten not even close to that much out
 734 2011-02-25 07:56:51 <bk128> ah
 735 2011-02-25 07:57:29 <bk128> I've put one block in and gotten more than that
 736 2011-02-25 07:57:34 <bk128> it's all luck
 737 2011-02-25 07:57:46 <bk128> isnt that the point of the pool?
 738 2011-02-25 07:57:58 <Diablo-D3> I dont think luck should be part of it.
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 740 2011-02-25 07:58:32 <[Noodles]> point of pools is to decrease the luck-factor, isnt it?
 741 2011-02-25 07:58:40 <Diablo-D3> yes.
 742 2011-02-25 07:58:49 <bk128> yeah.  so if your lucky, it makes you less lucky
 743 2011-02-25 07:58:59 <Diablo-D3> it makes your luck more consistent
 744 2011-02-25 07:59:03 <bk128> right
 745 2011-02-25 07:59:22 * Diablo-D3 starts new project in Eclipse, DiabloPool
 746 2011-02-25 07:59:28 <bk128> lol
 747 2011-02-25 07:59:35 <bk128> have fun :)
 748 2011-02-25 07:59:41 <bk128> i'm going to sleep
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 766 2011-02-25 09:43:23 <uni4dfx> ;;bc,calc 700000
 767 2011-02-25 09:43:25 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 700000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 2 days, 14 hours, 8 minutes, and 25 seconds
 768 2011-02-25 09:43:37 <uni4dfx> ;;bc,calc 800000
 769 2011-02-25 09:43:38 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 800000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 2 days, 6 hours, 22 minutes, and 22 seconds
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 776 2011-02-25 10:14:12 <dukeleto> ;;bc,gen 340000
 777 2011-02-25 10:14:13 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 340000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 9.37966840386 BTC per day and 0.390819516828 BTC per hour.
 778 2011-02-25 10:14:28 <dukeleto> ;;bc,calc 340000
 779 2011-02-25 10:14:29 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 340000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 5 days, 7 hours, 56 minutes, and 10 seconds
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 783 2011-02-25 10:16:13 <genjix> MT`AwAy: hey
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 793 2011-02-25 10:46:05 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
 794 2011-02-25 10:46:08 <gribble> Current Blocks: 110335 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 544 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 13 hours, 30 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51607.14898525
 795 2011-02-25 10:46:10 <JFK911> ;;bc,gen 400000
 796 2011-02-25 10:46:12 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 400000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 11.0349040045 BTC per day and 0.459787666856 BTC per hour.
 797 2011-02-25 10:46:15 <JFK911> heh
 798 2011-02-25 10:47:07 <JFK911> ;;bc,gen 400000 52000
 799 2011-02-25 10:47:08 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
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 801 2011-02-25 10:47:44 <soultcer> ,,bbc,gen bla bla bla
 802 2011-02-25 10:47:45 <gribble> Error: "bbc,gen" is not a valid command.
 803 2011-02-25 10:47:50 <soultcer> ,,bb,gen bla bla bla
 804 2011-02-25 10:47:51 <gribble> I do not know about 'bb,gen', but I do know about these similar topics: 'bbe'
 805 2011-02-25 10:47:53 <soultcer> ,,bc,gen bla bla bla
 806 2011-02-25 10:47:54 <gribble> (bc,gen <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo The expected generation output, at $1 Khps, given current difficulty of [bc,diff], is [math calc 50*24*60*60 / (1/((2**224-1)/[bc,diff]*$1*1000/2**256))] BTC per day and [math calc 50*60*60 / (1/((2**224-1)/[bc,diff]*$1*1000/2**256))] BTC per hour.".
 807 2011-02-25 10:48:45 <JFK911> ha
 808 2011-02-25 10:48:59 <JFK911> i got 25btc per day since difficulty changed to 36k
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 812 2011-02-25 10:49:55 <JFK911> i think someone was getting 14btc per day from pool with less
 813 2011-02-25 10:55:50 <lolcat> 25btc?
 814 2011-02-25 10:56:01 <lolcat> That is what I have to spend in a day
 815 2011-02-25 10:56:30 <lolcat> A little more since the price is low
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 818 2011-02-25 11:07:20 <da2ce7> ;;bc,gen 600000
 819 2011-02-25 11:07:23 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 600000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 16.5523560068 BTC per day and 0.689681500284 BTC per hour.
 820 2011-02-25 11:17:19 <da2ce7> https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3712.0
 821 2011-02-25 11:17:28 <da2ce7> did mtgox make a public statement?
 822 2011-02-25 11:18:44 <BlueMatt> I dont think so
 823 2011-02-25 11:30:28 <RBecker> ;;bc,blocks
 824 2011-02-25 11:30:29 <gribble> 110348
 825 2011-02-25 11:34:08 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,estimate
 826 2011-02-25 11:34:09 <gribble> 51857.64190241
 827 2011-02-25 11:34:14 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,stats
 828 2011-02-25 11:34:18 <gribble> Current Blocks: 110349 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 530 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 11 hours, 37 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51857.64190241
 829 2011-02-25 11:34:19 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,stat
 830 2011-02-25 11:34:20 <gribble> Error: "bc,stat" is not a valid command.
 831 2011-02-25 11:34:21 <RBecker> ;;bc,diff
 832 2011-02-25 11:34:22 <gribble> 36459.88692508
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 840 2011-02-25 11:56:31 <Sirius> wow, so many people here these days
 841 2011-02-25 11:57:36 <andrew12> haha
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 843 2011-02-25 11:59:11 <rli> ;;bc,stats
 844 2011-02-25 11:59:13 <gribble> Current Blocks: 110353 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 526 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 10 hours, 52 minutes, and 58 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51886.46040471
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 846 2011-02-25 12:00:52 <RBecker> ;;bc,gen 48713
 847 2011-02-25 12:00:53 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 48713 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 1.34385819693 BTC per day and 0.0559940915389 BTC per hour.
 848 2011-02-25 12:00:59 <RBecker> ouch
 849 2011-02-25 12:01:10 <RBecker> ;;bc,calc 48713
 850 2011-02-25 12:01:11 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 48713 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 5 weeks, 2 days, 4 hours, 57 minutes, and 4 seconds
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 854 2011-02-25 12:05:42 <da2ce7> ;;bc,mtgox
 855 2011-02-25 12:05:42 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1,"low":0.9007,"vol":10526,"buy":0.9722,"sell":0.9937,"last":0.9722}}
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 860 2011-02-25 12:44:05 <genjix> Sirius: I asked the owner of http://www.dyndy.net/ to join me.
 861 2011-02-25 12:44:21 <genjix> (I'll do the talk, but in case something happens he can step in for me)
 862 2011-02-25 12:44:44 <Sirius> ok
 863 2011-02-25 12:45:33 <genjix> also I'm trying to organise a recording of it if possible :p
 864 2011-02-25 12:46:29 <nevezen>  /clear
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 875 2011-02-25 13:35:10 <uni4dfx> can the bot calculate the time for the upcoming difficulty?
 876 2011-02-25 13:35:35 <sipa> ;;bc,stats
 877 2011-02-25 13:35:38 <gribble> Current Blocks: 110370 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 509 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 9 hours, 7 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 52019.06109200
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 879 2011-02-25 13:35:46 <sipa> it's an estimate only, of course
 880 2011-02-25 13:36:09 <uni4dfx> but i wanna do ;;bc,calc for the next difficulty
 881 2011-02-25 13:36:42 <sipa> ;;bc,calcd 1260000 52019.06109200
 882 2011-02-25 13:36:43 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1260000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 52019.06109200, is 2 days, 1 hour, 15 minutes, and 17 seconds
 883 2011-02-25 13:37:08 <uni4dfx> ah ok
 884 2011-02-25 13:37:37 <uni4dfx> thanks
 885 2011-02-25 13:38:58 <uni4dfx> well darn, that's a huge difference, almost doubles the time
 886 2011-02-25 13:39:26 <sipa> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin.png
 887 2011-02-25 13:42:02 <da2ce7> sipa, dose that chart auto-update?
 888 2011-02-25 13:42:06 <sipa> yes
 889 2011-02-25 13:42:11 <da2ce7> :D :D cool
 890 2011-02-25 13:42:31 <da2ce7> I like the http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed.png better
 891 2011-02-25 13:42:32 <da2ce7> :)
 892 2011-02-25 13:44:17 <uni4dfx> how much khps does 6970 get
 893 2011-02-25 13:45:22 <sipa> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
 894 2011-02-25 13:45:30 <sipa> ah, 6970
 895 2011-02-25 13:45:33 <uni4dfx> yeah :P
 896 2011-02-25 13:45:46 <sipa> close to 5870 i think
 897 2011-02-25 13:45:48 <sipa> ArtForz: ?
 898 2011-02-25 13:46:00 <uni4dfx> has to be around 800 no?
 899 2011-02-25 13:47:25 <edcba> how the fuck difficulty can climb like that lol
 900 2011-02-25 13:47:54 <BlueMatt> alot of new users, alot of them...
 901 2011-02-25 13:48:08 <da2ce7> hey sipa what is the exp trendline forumular for the http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed.png chart?
 902 2011-02-25 13:48:28 <edcba> i remind the day where it was like 1000...
 903 2011-02-25 13:48:57 <BlueMatt> da2ce7: what exp trendline
 904 2011-02-25 13:49:06 <BlueMatt> there is no trendline there
 905 2011-02-25 13:49:08 <edcba> ok let's go to mtgox see if prices follow same figure...
 906 2011-02-25 13:49:34 <sipa> da2ce7: complicated :)
 907 2011-02-25 13:50:04 <uni4dfx> sipa why 5870? how can you know that :)
 908 2011-02-25 13:50:17 <sipa> uni4dfx: because i believe ArtForz said so :p
 909 2011-02-25 13:50:20 * da2ce7 tries to remeber 3point exp estermation.
 910 2011-02-25 13:50:25 <Keefe> uni4dfx: 6970 is the successor to 5870
 911 2011-02-25 13:50:38 <Keefe> 6990 will be the successor to 5970
 912 2011-02-25 13:51:18 <sipa> da2ce7: it is a maximum-likelyhood estimator for a poisson distribution with exponentially increasing lambda that is fitted through all data, with exponential decay tau factor equal to the numbers in the chart (3 days, 7 days, 14 days)
 913 2011-02-25 13:51:20 <Keefe> and no the 6xxx series is not faster at mining than the 5xxx series, when you compare the right ones
 914 2011-02-25 13:51:39 <Keefe> better for gaming, but not mining
 915 2011-02-25 13:51:52 <Keefe> 6970 is about the same as 5870 for mining
 916 2011-02-25 13:51:56 <edcba> damn bitcoin still at 1USD
 917 2011-02-25 13:52:00 <edcba> what's wrong lol
 918 2011-02-25 13:52:11 <sipa> still? again you mean
 919 2011-02-25 13:52:13 <Keefe> i'm surprised it's not lower
 920 2011-02-25 13:52:38 <sipa> da2ce7: so it corrects for the increase in network speed that happened between the sampling of the data, and the "now" point
 921 2011-02-25 13:52:46 <Keefe> i still think it's going to go down alot before climbing again
 922 2011-02-25 13:53:14 <da2ce7> sipa: hmm, what would be the exponential plot of best fit for that chart?  so a straght line on the http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed.png chart
 923 2011-02-25 13:53:24 <sipa> yes
 924 2011-02-25 13:53:37 <sipa> but such a fit is done for each point in the graph, using all previous data
 925 2011-02-25 13:53:38 <uni4dfx> so 5970 is the fastest one at the moment?
 926 2011-02-25 13:53:43 <sipa> uni4dfx: yes
 927 2011-02-25 13:53:53 <Keefe> by far
 928 2011-02-25 13:54:45 <Keefe> well, 5870x2 is a little faster than 5970, because 5970 is underclocked
 929 2011-02-25 13:55:01 <da2ce7> but it would be something like k + base * ln(degree)
 930 2011-02-25 13:55:06 <sipa> da2ce7: yeah
 931 2011-02-25 13:55:23 <sipa> da2ce7: here is a bit of the math: http://sipa.be/static/bitcoin/estim_exp_math.txt
 932 2011-02-25 13:55:37 <sipa> but it's very succint
 933 2011-02-25 13:58:24 <da2ce7> I'm tring to work-out what the diff will be in 6 months, by going on the exp trendline... however that maths is out of my leauge :(
 934 2011-02-25 13:58:43 <sipa> the problem is not the math
 935 2011-02-25 13:59:03 <sipa> but the unpredictability of the data
 936 2011-02-25 13:59:33 <sipa> this may help you more, by the way: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/growth.png
 937 2011-02-25 13:59:33 <BlueMatt> Yea block generation time is very random
 938 2011-02-25 13:59:48 <BlueMatt> We haven't gotten close to the law of large numbers kicking in yet
 939 2011-02-25 14:00:02 <BlueMatt> In fact, we probably wont...ever
 940 2011-02-25 14:00:07 <uni4dfx> what about 5970x2
 941 2011-02-25 14:00:28 <BlueMatt> ==more expensive than and lower performance than 5870x4
 942 2011-02-25 14:00:45 <da2ce7> hmm... the  http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed.png chart line looks very exp... one would expect exp growth of the bitcoin community
 943 2011-02-25 14:00:57 <sipa> da2ce7: look at the growth.png graph
 944 2011-02-25 14:00:59 <da2ce7> free-trade is exp till the resorces are consumed.
 945 2011-02-25 14:01:38 <sipa> da2ce7: so, you can assume a factor of somewhere between 1.015 and 1.04 per day, giving a growth factor of between 15 and 1150 over 180 days :)
 946 2011-02-25 14:01:51 <sipa> which is useless information
 947 2011-02-25 14:02:17 <BlueMatt> I dont think it is as simple as that, it as alot to do with media attention and the actions of individuals as well
 948 2011-02-25 14:02:23 <sipa> it may fall back to 1.005 after hitting some bound, resulting in only a factor 2.5
 949 2011-02-25 14:02:35 <BlueMatt> when Art brings online all his custom chips, it increases the network by a percent to two
 950 2011-02-25 14:03:00 <sipa> more like 5%
 951 2011-02-25 14:03:12 <sipa> but i suppose most of them are online by now
 952 2011-02-25 14:05:29 <lfm> ya so even 5% is almost invisible when we get 40% increase in 2 weeksa
 953 2011-02-25 14:05:43 <sipa> indeed
 954 2011-02-25 14:06:02 <BlueMatt> But if we hadnt gotten all the media attention, it would have been obvious
 955 2011-02-25 14:06:13 <sipa> maybe
 956 2011-02-25 14:06:34 <sipa> it would have been like 10% instead of 5% maybe
 957 2011-02-25 14:07:16 <lfm> BlueMatt: the number of people buying gpus and bring them and older ones online overshadows any one person, even Art
 958 2011-02-25 14:07:22 <uni4dfx> are there any pools online? i found two and they are either not accepting any more users or under maintenance
 959 2011-02-25 14:07:53 <BlueMatt> uni4dfx: no that pretty much it...
 960 2011-02-25 14:08:01 <BlueMatt> slush's and bitpenny
 961 2011-02-25 14:08:12 <uni4dfx> lovely
 962 2011-02-25 14:08:22 <lfm> uni4dfx: ya too much growth for them too, they should be back soon. there may be one or two even smaller ones still accepting but I am not sure how you find em
 963 2011-02-25 14:08:29 <BlueMatt> lfm: But Id bet around 50% of that buying is between 5 or 10 people
 964 2011-02-25 14:10:06 <BlueMatt> uni4dfx: when the new getwork protocol is done they should all get a bunch more capacity and be able to open up
 965 2011-02-25 14:10:33 <uni4dfx> is that about to happen any time soon?
 966 2011-02-25 14:10:39 <sipa> slush is working on it
 967 2011-02-25 14:10:45 <sipa> i don't know how far he is
 968 2011-02-25 14:11:19 <BlueMatt> They have made pretty good progress, there are a couple options but who knows how long till they decide
 969 2011-02-25 14:11:36 <Keefe> uni4dfx: 5970 is already two underclocked 5870 chips on one card. by 5870x2 i meant a card with two 5870 chips not underclocked. i think the Ares is one
 970 2011-02-25 14:11:48 <slush> does anybody know which hashrate has bitpenny?
 971 2011-02-25 14:13:05 <da2ce7> http://hosting11.imagecross.com/image-hosting-62/9026speed_ext.png
 972 2011-02-25 14:13:08 <da2ce7> lol paint
 973 2011-02-25 14:13:09 <da2ce7> :P
 974 2011-02-25 14:13:44 <da2ce7> 700K by May
 975 2011-02-25 14:14:28 <da2ce7> 5M by Jul +/- 4M
 976 2011-02-25 14:14:36 <sipa> yeah right
 977 2011-02-25 14:14:42 <da2ce7> lol
 978 2011-02-25 14:14:43 <da2ce7> :P
 979 2011-02-25 14:14:43 <slush> diff?
 980 2011-02-25 14:15:00 <BlueMatt> Id like that
 981 2011-02-25 14:15:13 <da2ce7> nope, total hashrate
 982 2011-02-25 14:15:20 <BlueMatt> oh
 983 2011-02-25 14:15:29 <BlueMatt> I like the +/- 80%
 984 2011-02-25 14:15:50 <da2ce7> BlueMatt, we are dealing with exp
 985 2011-02-25 14:15:53 <lfm> slush not even sure if bitpenny is up atm
 986 2011-02-25 14:16:03 <Keefe> in a couple months, bitcoin will probably be more powerful that the current largest distributed computing project, folding@home
 987 2011-02-25 14:16:05 <da2ce7> the right order of magnitude means something.
 988 2011-02-25 14:16:06 <BlueMatt> its only up if you pm them your ip
 989 2011-02-25 14:16:12 <Keefe> than*
 990 2011-02-25 14:16:18 <sipa> 1 kWh costs $0.2, let's say
 991 2011-02-25 14:17:04 <da2ce7> *sipa thinks that da2ce7 is dreaming.
 992 2011-02-25 14:17:25 <sipa> Art's ASICs do 200MH/s / 10W or so
 993 2011-02-25 14:17:55 <UukGoblin> even 9W
 994 2011-02-25 14:18:13 <sipa> so 20MH/s / W, or 72GH/h / Wh
 995 2011-02-25 14:18:27 <sipa> wait
 996 2011-02-25 14:18:29 <da2ce7> limit of eff is 1GHash/s @ 1W
 997 2011-02-25 14:18:37 <da2ce7> (with current process tech)
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 999 2011-02-25 14:19:38 <sipa> 22MH/s / W -> 22MH / Ws = 80GH / Wh = 80TH / kWh
1000 2011-02-25 14:19:45 <sipa> is this possible? :S
1001 2011-02-25 14:20:03 <BlueMatt> DAM
1002 2011-02-25 14:20:20 <da2ce7> yeah. with fully custom chips. we can do 1GHash/s @ arround 1W
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1004 2011-02-25 14:20:35 <da2ce7> it will be only 4M transistors.
1005 2011-02-25 14:20:58 <da2ce7> so we could fit 100GHash/s for 100W on one chip
1006 2011-02-25 14:21:06 <lfm> Arts chips are not fully custom they are mask programmable asic
1007 2011-02-25 14:21:26 <sipa> 80TH / kWh = 18626 diff / kWh
1008 2011-02-25 14:21:34 <sipa> no wait
1009 2011-02-25 14:21:36 <sipa> nvm
1010 2011-02-25 14:21:59 <da2ce7> lfm, I know that... but I hope that by Nov, we can have fully custom chips.
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1012 2011-02-25 14:22:11 <da2ce7> or well before.
1013 2011-02-25 14:22:15 <UukGoblin> 'hope'? I hope we won't ;-]
1014 2011-02-25 14:22:15 <eps> so i set up a cpu miner for mining.bitcoin.cz
1015 2011-02-25 14:22:20 <eps> and it worked at first
1016 2011-02-25 14:22:33 <eps> and now i get http 400 errrors when i try and use it
1017 2011-02-25 14:22:45 <Keefe> whoever controls production of those chips will control bitcoin
1018 2011-02-25 14:22:53 <lfm> eps ya it is overloaded I think
1019 2011-02-25 14:23:18 <da2ce7> Keefe, mutiple brands... compitition within the market.
1020 2011-02-25 14:23:19 <UukGoblin> and whoever controls bitcoin controls the spice
1021 2011-02-25 14:23:24 <slush> eps: 400 isn't overload
1022 2011-02-25 14:23:34 <slush> did you set up 2% fee in your profile?
1023 2011-02-25 14:23:57 <eps> oh
1024 2011-02-25 14:24:00 <eps> i have now
1025 2011-02-25 14:24:08 <eps> is that change instant?
1026 2011-02-25 14:24:14 <Keefe> da2ce7: why would anyone sell such chips instead of just keeping them to themself
1027 2011-02-25 14:24:17 <slush> eps: no, there is 10min refresh timeout
1028 2011-02-25 14:24:23 <slush> eps: after 10 min, it will work
1029 2011-02-25 14:24:27 <eps> oh ok
1030 2011-02-25 14:24:35 <eps> thanks
1031 2011-02-25 14:24:47 <Keefe> i can imagine a few people designing such a chip and each taking a third of all mining production
1032 2011-02-25 14:24:57 <da2ce7> well, if it is a community funded project... the bitcoin community will build and sell them themselves to protect themselves.
1033 2011-02-25 14:25:05 <da2ce7> like bitcoind.
1034 2011-02-25 14:25:08 <Keefe> at that point, why would any of the three sell?
1035 2011-02-25 14:25:12 <UukGoblin> Keefe, I really hope price stays well above the 5970 limit ;-]
1036 2011-02-25 14:25:52 <Keefe> da2ce7: sounds too altruistic
1037 2011-02-25 14:26:03 <slush> Keefe: selling cards may be more profitable from side of cash flow
1038 2011-02-25 14:26:07 <UukGoblin> doesn't have to be altruistic... just sell at the right price
1039 2011-02-25 14:26:09 <da2ce7> ")
1040 2011-02-25 14:26:24 <da2ce7> yep, you would generate and sell
1041 2011-02-25 14:26:40 <noagendamarket> we need to do it ourselves before someone outside pisses in the tent
1042 2011-02-25 14:26:40 <da2ce7> because in the long run, annother company will make their own chips to compete.
1043 2011-02-25 14:26:42 <bxc_> selling shovels in the goldrush
1044 2011-02-25 14:26:43 <slush> Keefe: You can earn million $ by selling those cards, but you need million $ to build huge righs from this chips to mine on your own. And you risk that bitcoin project collapse in meantime
1045 2011-02-25 14:26:54 <Keefe> at what price? like $1mil/chip?
1046 2011-02-25 14:27:13 <da2ce7> no... maybe $1000 per chip
1047 2011-02-25 14:27:43 <da2ce7> by that time the bitcoin community needs to be stong enougth to withstand an attack finance by violence... eg tax
1048 2011-02-25 14:29:34 <slush> btw did anybody calculation, how much "profitable" is using vladimir's mining contracts?
1049 2011-02-25 14:29:44 <slush> *did anybody do calculation
1050 2011-02-25 14:30:27 <da2ce7> Keefe, I'm one of the least altruistic people I know, altruism is evil.  I just want to live in a socitey where freedom wins...
1051 2011-02-25 14:30:55 <jgarzik> slush: it's profitable for me
1052 2011-02-25 14:31:15 * jgarzik is not interested in giving out private numbers, but I can confirm profitability
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1054 2011-02-25 14:32:24 * jgarzik would sell sha256 chips, if we can raise 1M BTC investment capital
1055 2011-02-25 14:33:22 * UukGoblin would want some sha256 chips
1056 2011-02-25 14:33:37 * da2ce7 would by some chips.
1057 2011-02-25 14:33:46 <jgarzik> heck, it could probably be done for 500,000 BTC
1058 2011-02-25 14:34:07 <UukGoblin> hm...
1059 2011-02-25 14:34:17 <da2ce7> that isn't that hard to get together.
1060 2011-02-25 14:34:48 <edcba> so vladimir don't trust in bitcoin to succeed ?
1061 2011-02-25 14:34:51 <UukGoblin> yeah just change the stock client to generate 500k btc next block and assign them to the project
1062 2011-02-25 14:35:00 <noagendamarket> so what are we waiting for :)
1063 2011-02-25 14:35:17 <da2ce7> bitcoind MK2
1064 2011-02-25 14:35:26 <slush> jgarzik: I don't understand why such secrecy about his pricing model
1065 2011-02-25 14:35:52 <devon_hillard> consumer-grade GPGPU is making password hashes or even salts ineffective
1066 2011-02-25 14:36:07 <jgarzik> slush: what secrecy?  his prices and hashrates are posted.
1067 2011-02-25 14:36:36 <devon_hillard> what's the most cost-effective gpgpu cluster?
1068 2011-02-25 14:37:03 <devon_hillard> for, say, under 1bn hashes/s configurations
1069 2011-02-25 14:37:05 <[Tycho]> jgarzik, hello. Thanks for having so much debugging info in your miner - it really helps :)
1070 2011-02-25 14:37:26 <lfm> devon_hillard: any 5970 is as efficient as any other, clusters dont really make it more efficient
1071 2011-02-25 14:37:51 <slush> jgarzik: I just read the discussion between raulo and vladimit and I think raulo is right - it is the most profitable for vladimir himself. During the first 3 month, people pay almost all hardware, then the HW is in ownership of vladimir
1072 2011-02-25 14:38:02 <slush> looks very bad deal from side of customer
1073 2011-02-25 14:38:25 <devon_hillard> lfm: so cost/hash, 5970 beats everything?
1074 2011-02-25 14:38:30 <edcba> slush: why don't he just use the hardware to mine itself ?
1075 2011-02-25 14:38:34 <noagendamarket> people dont get the hardware and vladamir gets a gpu cluster
1076 2011-02-25 14:38:41 <edcba> (except he doesn't take any risk)
1077 2011-02-25 14:38:44 <lfm> devon_hillard: in the gpu realm ya
1078 2011-02-25 14:38:50 <jgarzik> slush: not all customers want to run GPU farm in their basement
1079 2011-02-25 14:39:08 <UukGoblin> basement
1080 2011-02-25 14:39:13 <UukGoblin> that's... luxury
1081 2011-02-25 14:39:18 <UukGoblin> if I had a basement...
1082 2011-02-25 14:39:41 <jgarzik> slush: you pay X, receive Y return, Y > X.  zero effort playing with hardware, cooling, or other details.  what's the problem?
1083 2011-02-25 14:40:04 KBme is now known as kbME
1084 2011-02-25 14:40:18 <lfm> basement is a great place to run clusters, cooler in summer, good heat source in winter
1085 2011-02-25 14:40:19 kbME is now known as KBme
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1087 2011-02-25 14:41:28 <edcba> yes running that kind of farm in winter is free
1088 2011-02-25 14:41:43 <UukGoblin> nah not free
1089 2011-02-25 14:41:47 <slush> jgarzik: ok, simply said - I think there is huge space for much cheaper competitor
1090 2011-02-25 14:41:54 <UukGoblin> electric heaters are more effective imho
1091 2011-02-25 14:41:57 <lfm> well almost, electric heat is more expensive than gas heat here
1092 2011-02-25 14:42:07 <edcba> more effective than a gpu ?
1093 2011-02-25 14:42:13 <UukGoblin> at generating heat
1094 2011-02-25 14:42:15 <slush> but I generally don't have a problem with this type of service
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1096 2011-02-25 14:42:23 <edcba> is your gpu generating light ?
1097 2011-02-25 14:42:31 <edcba> how else your gpu loses energy ?
1098 2011-02-25 14:42:35 <lfm> UukGoblin: watts are watts, heaters or computers
1099 2011-02-25 14:42:47 <jgarzik> slush: if a cheaper competitor emerges, I might buy a contract with the competitor too :)
1100 2011-02-25 14:42:57 <UukGoblin> hm
1101 2011-02-25 14:43:11 <jgarzik> sure it's great for vladimir.  it's great for me too.  I'm making money, and vlad is making money.  win-win.
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1103 2011-02-25 14:43:14 <UukGoblin> well yeah perhaps I'm stupid
1104 2011-02-25 14:43:37 <edcba> the only problem with heaters vs gpu are heat repartition i guess
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1106 2011-02-25 14:44:57 <lfm> heaters are more dangerous at starting fires i think. maybe a heater with a fan can be better at placeing heat where its most needed
1107 2011-02-25 14:45:34 <noagendamarket> I wonder if you could create a hot water service that runs gpu heating....
1108 2011-02-25 14:46:08 <UukGoblin> noagendamarket, shhh! stop shouting out my business ideas!
1109 2011-02-25 14:46:11 <da2ce7> lol, noagendamaket, that is short term thinking... not gpu... custom chip powered...
1110 2011-02-25 14:46:25 <lfm> noagendamarket: Someone here a day or two ago claimed they were using computer to heat underfloor water heaters
1111 2011-02-25 14:46:47 <lfm> Not sure if I really beleive it
1112 2011-02-25 14:46:53 <da2ce7> lol, we can undercut the other water heaters...
1113 2011-02-25 14:46:54 <da2ce7> :)
1114 2011-02-25 14:47:02 <da2ce7> as we get the coins generated.
1115 2011-02-25 14:47:19 <noagendamarket> have a shower in money lol
1116 2011-02-25 14:47:30 <edcba> haha
1117 2011-02-25 14:47:49 <bk128> sturle does http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3707.0
1118 2011-02-25 14:47:57 <bk128> bathroom floor heater
1119 2011-02-25 14:48:10 <edcba> now we have to tweak bitcoin to have a money generating problem to generate bitcoins...
1120 2011-02-25 14:48:36 <da2ce7> oh: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4194/intels-codename-lightpeak-launches-as-thunderbolt
1121 2011-02-25 14:48:42 <edcba> so we could save money while earning money earning bitcoins
1122 2011-02-25 14:48:43 <da2ce7> did sombody say 'external miners'
1123 2011-02-25 14:48:45 <da2ce7> :) :)
1124 2011-02-25 14:48:48 <jgarzik> just need 50 investors @ $10,000 apiece
1125 2011-02-25 14:48:53 <jgarzik> to get a bitcoin ASIC
1126 2011-02-25 14:49:18 <edcba> do you accept bitcoins ?
1127 2011-02-25 14:49:21 <lfm> da2ce7: ya all gpu miners are external
1128 2011-02-25 14:49:30 <MacRohard> could buy a few gpus for $10k ;)
1129 2011-02-25 14:49:35 <bk128> more like 10 investors @ 10,000 each
1130 2011-02-25 14:49:48 <jgarzik> bk128: a real asic, not structured
1131 2011-02-25 14:49:48 <da2ce7> Thunderbolt is pci-e :)
1132 2011-02-25 14:49:56 <bk128> ah, yeah
1133 2011-02-25 14:50:07 <bk128> still, most people wouldn't know what to do with them.
1134 2011-02-25 14:50:23 <UukGoblin> + you need a design
1135 2011-02-25 14:50:26 <bk128> have to buy pcb's too, do assembly, vrm's, heatsinks, PSU's
1136 2011-02-25 14:50:27 <da2ce7> jgarzik, can we get cheap ass in china
1137 2011-02-25 14:50:41 <jgarzik> bk128: yep
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1139 2011-02-25 14:50:48 <da2ce7> *assembly
1140 2011-02-25 14:50:52 <molecular> ;;bc,calc 660000
1141 2011-02-25 14:50:53 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 660000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 2 days, 17 hours, 54 minutes, and 23 seconds
1142 2011-02-25 14:50:56 <lfm> jgarzik: I cant see that happening at this time
1143 2011-02-25 14:51:12 <bk128> not unless Art helps us out :)
1144 2011-02-25 14:51:15 <jgarzik> edcba: sure... provided it's not 100% BTC for the entire investment.  in that case, BTC would tank as we cashed out
1145 2011-02-25 14:51:26 * jgarzik guffaws
1146 2011-02-25 14:51:33 <bk128> that kind of design work would cost as much as the chips
1147 2011-02-25 14:51:39 <edcba> 1$+99999BTC :)
1148 2011-02-25 14:51:44 <jgarzik> ArtForz is not the only one who can hack VHDL :)
1149 2011-02-25 14:52:01 <edcba> just hire him and pay him in bitcoins
1150 2011-02-25 14:52:09 * jgarzik works with chip designers every day, at the day job
1151 2011-02-25 14:52:19 * da2ce7 thinks that we just need more people with money to buy BTC.
1152 2011-02-25 14:52:23 <bk128> jgarzik: convince them to do a design :)
1153 2011-02-25 14:52:23 <edcba> but we need competent ones
1154 2011-02-25 14:52:40 <lfm> jgarzik: so have you approached those designers with bitcoin?
1155 2011-02-25 14:52:42 <edcba> da2ce7: really we need more ppl accepting bitcoins
1156 2011-02-25 14:52:44 <edcba> that's all
1157 2011-02-25 14:52:53 <jgarzik> lfm: I've been talking yes
1158 2011-02-25 14:53:35 * jgarzik needs TSMC to accept bitcoins :)
1159 2011-02-25 14:53:43 <lfm> jgarzik: just seems like such an investment is more than the total worth of bitcoin market
1160 2011-02-25 14:54:35 <da2ce7> jgarzik: hmm 1GHash/s @ 1W was on 45 nm ...
1161 2011-02-25 14:54:40 <da2ce7> so we are looking more like 5W
1162 2011-02-25 15:05:35 <Keefe> da2ce7: maybe $1mil to design and make masks, and $300/chip for 10ghps/chip?
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1164 2011-02-25 15:07:36 <da2ce7> Keefe, should aim to do a run of 10K chips or something arround that. Aim to make 2M in sale's keep 1/3 for yourself to generate.
1165 2011-02-25 15:08:01 <da2ce7> pays back investment, 1M in proffit. and 1/3 of network.
1166 2011-02-25 15:08:33 <Keefe> are my numbers sorta on track?
1167 2011-02-25 15:09:19 <da2ce7> Keefe, i think that they are kinda on the low side... it alwasys depends on what sort of deals we can get.
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1169 2011-02-25 15:10:33 <da2ce7> I'd be more inclined to say, $1.2M and $200 per card.
1170 2011-02-25 15:10:49 <da2ce7> (cards are cheap if made in 10K quantity.
1171 2011-02-25 15:11:20 <da2ce7> we are only looking at 40M Transistors
1172 2011-02-25 15:11:27 <MacRohard> by the time it's done the video cards will prolly sell for less
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1174 2011-02-25 15:12:03 <Keefe> MacRohard: 10ghps in gpus costs $6000
1175 2011-02-25 15:12:23 <MacRohard> today maybe
1176 2011-02-25 15:12:43 <da2ce7> Keefe, we need to make the chips as cheap as possible... then we can load like 5 chips on a card.
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1178 2011-02-25 15:13:03 <da2ce7> aim for a 100W card.
1179 2011-02-25 15:13:30 <[Tycho]> PCI please :)
1180 2011-02-25 15:13:43 <Keefe> :)
1181 2011-02-25 15:13:54 <da2ce7> I'd say pci-e
1182 2011-02-25 15:14:00 <Keefe> 100W pci card... everyone can buy
1183 2011-02-25 15:14:06 <da2ce7> as that is easy to connect externaly.
1184 2011-02-25 15:14:13 <da2ce7> make big racks.
1185 2011-02-25 15:14:15 <[Tycho]> It would be not perfect because of glue logic, but people will have possibility to use it.
1186 2011-02-25 15:14:29 <MacRohard> you could just make a standalone device
1187 2011-02-25 15:14:35 <MacRohard> with a usb cable or something
1188 2011-02-25 15:14:42 <Keefe> da2ce7: you can easily connect pci-e externally?
1189 2011-02-25 15:14:46 <da2ce7> yep.
1190 2011-02-25 15:15:04 <Keefe> probably quite expensive though
1191 2011-02-25 15:15:15 <[Tycho]> But you'll need bridges if you want not only one port.
1192 2011-02-25 15:15:16 <MacRohard> might be easier to put more chips on an external device where you can spread everything out more and not have the heat issues
1193 2011-02-25 15:15:44 <da2ce7> pci-e is easly split... :) One 16x can drive 16 devices.
1194 2011-02-25 15:15:54 <Diablo-D3> uh
1195 2011-02-25 15:15:55 <Diablo-D3> bullshit
1196 2011-02-25 15:16:00 <Diablo-D3> you fail at pci-e forever
1197 2011-02-25 15:16:23 <Keefe> da2ce7: please explain. i'd love to see that possible
1198 2011-02-25 15:16:30 <Diablo-D3> Keefe: its not.
1199 2011-02-25 15:16:45 <[Tycho]> It's done by MB itself
1200 2011-02-25 15:16:46 * da2ce7 is prob wrong,
1201 2011-02-25 15:16:46 <Diablo-D3> and if ArtForz was here, he'd agree
1202 2011-02-25 15:17:00 <sipa> there are convertors, right?
1203 2011-02-25 15:17:06 <Diablo-D3> sipa: bridges
1204 2011-02-25 15:17:09 <sipa> ok
1205 2011-02-25 15:17:15 <Diablo-D3> but then you didnt _split_ anything
1206 2011-02-25 15:17:16 <[Tycho]> When you place lots of cards in your MB, then there are no x16 slots anymore
1207 2011-02-25 15:17:23 <Diablo-D3> its still x lanes going to a single device
1208 2011-02-25 15:17:28 <sipa> oh
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1211 2011-02-25 15:21:08 * da2ce7 a link is made of 1 lane or more... still need to be bridged.
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1213 2011-02-25 15:22:25 * da2ce7 thought that a bridge was to connect two 16x devices to one 16x... however it dosn't work as a switch
1214 2011-02-25 15:23:25 <jgarzik> ;;seen gavinandresen
1215 2011-02-25 15:23:26 <gribble> gavinandresen was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 23 hours, 38 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <gavinandresen> yeah, but customer support would still tell you to reinstall windows :-)
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1217 2011-02-25 15:25:42 <da2ce7> maybe just useing something as simple a single chip ARM and NIC, connect it with lan.
1218 2011-02-25 15:25:55 <da2ce7> with a minimal linux rom.
1219 2011-02-25 15:26:08 <da2ce7> that would only be like $10
1220 2011-02-25 15:26:28 <sipa> ok, 1GH/s, 5W
1221 2011-02-25 15:27:07 <sipa> if you have the whole network with that, you'd do 600G hashes per block
1222 2011-02-25 15:27:44 <sipa> that's a difficulty of 139.7
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1224 2011-02-25 15:33:20 <da2ce7> sleeptime
1225 2011-02-25 15:33:27 <da2ce7> Goodnight ppls.
1226 2011-02-25 15:33:37 <da2ce7> hope your dreams, are of all things mining.
1227 2011-02-25 15:35:06 <sipa> at 7200BTC/day, or $7200/day, and 120 kWh = $24/day
1228 2011-02-25 15:35:25 <sipa> so the network could sustain 300 such devices at 0 profit
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1230 2011-02-25 15:35:55 <sipa> oh
1231 2011-02-25 15:36:29 <sipa> 0.12 kWh, or $0.24/day, or 300000 such devices
1232 2011-02-25 15:36:37 <sipa> -> up to 300TH/s :)
1233 2011-02-25 15:36:40 towerX is now known as tower
1234 2011-02-25 15:40:37 <uni4dfx> gahh, i wish there was a working pool somewhere ;_;
1235 2011-02-25 15:41:02 <Kiba> hey
1236 2011-02-25 15:41:04 <Kiba> folks
1237 2011-02-25 15:41:32 * Kiba is apperantly now an employee of a bitcoin corporation
1238 2011-02-25 15:42:25 <jgarzik> da2ce7: I think ArtForz has it right...   FPGA controller + N chips + USB
1239 2011-02-25 15:42:52 <Keefe> i thought he was going to do ethernet?
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1241 2011-02-25 15:43:10 <jgarzik> all you need is simple USB, or even serial
1242 2011-02-25 15:43:47 <Keefe> usb would be awesome
1243 2011-02-25 15:44:06 <Keefe> most computers already have a few spare usb ports, and usb hubs are cheap
1244 2011-02-25 15:44:23 <jav__> when I have a raw transaction.. how can I see what the from and to addresses are? how do I calculate that from this scriptSig stuff? can I read up on that somewhere?
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1247 2011-02-25 15:47:38 <jav__> oh wait.. that's just in hex, instead of the usual base58?
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1255 2011-02-25 16:03:55 <citiz3n> my god - slush's pool is up to 70 ghash/s?
1256 2011-02-25 16:04:08 <Diablo-D3> I need to make a pool
1257 2011-02-25 16:04:11 <Diablo-D3> thats just the way it is
1258 2011-02-25 16:04:38 <citiz3n> what would you do differently with yours?
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1260 2011-02-25 16:06:03 <Diablo-D3> probably improve payout characteristics
1261 2011-02-25 16:06:15 <slush> how? :)
1262 2011-02-25 16:06:28 <Diablo-D3> Im not going to say.
1263 2011-02-25 16:06:33 <citiz3n> hehehe
1264 2011-02-25 16:06:39 <Diablo-D3> slush will be just like m0
1265 2011-02-25 16:06:46 <Diablo-D3> everytime I come out with a new feature, he'll copy it
1266 2011-02-25 16:06:47 <[Tycho]> My pool found first block this morning :)
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1268 2011-02-25 16:07:30 <slush> lol
1269 2011-02-25 16:08:15 <BurtyB> heh
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1276 2011-02-25 16:11:05 * BurtyB thinkgs graphing miner power usage wasnt such a good idea
1277 2011-02-25 16:15:30 <bk128> Why not?
1278 2011-02-25 16:16:20 <Diablo-D3> he now knows how much he uses
1279 2011-02-25 16:16:48 <jgarzik> anybody want 2x 5970, brand new?   1750 BTC, including shipping, for both.
1280 2011-02-25 16:17:11 <uni4dfx> if i keep mining with 70mhash, will i ever find a block, considering the fact that it takes longer to get one than it takes for the difficulty to increase?
1281 2011-02-25 16:17:28 <BurtyB> Diablo-D3 exactly.. I'd deff not going to look at the meter spinning around ;)
1282 2011-02-25 16:17:58 <jgarzik> uni4dfx: diff just changes the odds.  things don't "reset to zero" at a diff change.
1283 2011-02-25 16:18:16 <uni4dfx> ah, good to know
1284 2011-02-25 16:18:31 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: whats wrong with them?
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1286 2011-02-25 16:24:04 <bk128> 4 5870s are less than half the cost. :)
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1291 2011-02-25 16:26:35 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
1292 2011-02-25 16:26:38 <gribble> Current Blocks: 110405 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 474 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 4 hours, 16 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 52346.20904836
1293 2011-02-25 16:27:15 <luke-jr> jgarzik: too much :P
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1297 2011-02-25 16:34:22 <jgarzik> ok, 1650 BTC shipped for 2x brand new, unboxed 5970 GPUs
1298 2011-02-25 16:36:11 BlueMatt is now known as afk!~matt@unaffiliated/bluematt|BlueMatt
1299 2011-02-25 16:37:10 <luke-jr> jgarzik: it's like 800 USD for 4x 5870 :p
1300 2011-02-25 16:37:53 <jgarzik> 4x 5870 is less efficient than 2x 5970
1301 2011-02-25 16:38:04 <bk128> That's what I just said :)
1302 2011-02-25 16:38:08 <luke-jr> not significantly
1303 2011-02-25 16:38:53 <bk128> Also you can oc 5870s higher
1304 2011-02-25 16:38:55 <sipa> you need a system with 4 instead only 2 sufficiently spaced pcie slotd
1305 2011-02-25 16:39:01 <sipa> slots
1306 2011-02-25 16:39:10 <jgarzik> it is, when you consider the added case space, motherboard, and cooling details
1307 2011-02-25 16:39:22 <bk128> New mobo doesnt cost 800
1308 2011-02-25 16:39:22 <jgarzik> sipa: yep
1309 2011-02-25 16:39:24 <luke-jr> assuming the mining rig has a case :P
1310 2011-02-25 16:39:45 <luke-jr> 2 new mobo don't cost 800
1311 2011-02-25 16:39:46 <bk128> Mine is in a wood box :)
1312 2011-02-25 16:39:47 <luke-jr> :p
1313 2011-02-25 16:40:11 <bk128> 3 new mobo doesn't cost 800
1314 2011-02-25 16:40:18 <bk128> Etc :)
1315 2011-02-25 16:40:22 <jgarzik> 10 new mobo doesn't cost 800
1316 2011-02-25 16:40:42 <bk128> Actually coats about that
1317 2011-02-25 16:40:52 <bk128> Costs*
1318 2011-02-25 16:41:03 <jgarzik> but if you're splitting 4x 5870 into multiple boards, that's additional power (additional PSUs) and other inefficiencies
1319 2011-02-25 16:41:48 <bk128> Yeah. But the power difference won't add up to 800 btc for years
1320 2011-02-25 16:42:00 <eps> i will give you 250BTC for them, final offer
1321 2011-02-25 16:42:10 <lfm> hehe
1322 2011-02-25 16:42:11 * eps only has 250 BTC
1323 2011-02-25 16:42:12 <bk128> Lol
1324 2011-02-25 16:42:24 * luke-jr has 400 BTC to offer :P
1325 2011-02-25 16:42:27 * bk128 has 250ish also
1326 2011-02-25 16:42:59 <luke-jr> but if you're crazy enough to take my 400 BTC for them, tell me soon, as I'm about to sell some
1327 2011-02-25 16:43:18 <eps> my 250 BTC are better than his 400 BTC
1328 2011-02-25 16:43:44 <luke-jr> LOL
1329 2011-02-25 16:43:49 <eps> quality bitcoins, not any of that cheap rubbish
1330 2011-02-25 16:44:54 <bk128> Do your btc come with a warranty?
1331 2011-02-25 16:45:16 <eps> they come with a personal guarantee
1332 2011-02-25 16:45:21 <eps> and a certificate
1333 2011-02-25 16:45:37 <lfm> jgarzik: why you sellin them?
1334 2011-02-25 16:46:24 <jgarzik> lfm: don't need them
1335 2011-02-25 16:46:44 <lfm> jgarzik: make another miner?
1336 2011-02-25 16:47:09 <genjix> luke-jr: do you use vim?
1337 2011-02-25 16:47:16 <jgarzik> lfm: another?  I've never built a miner, nor do I run one :)
1338 2011-02-25 16:47:55 <lfm> make a miner?
1339 2011-02-25 16:48:13 <jgarzik> wife would never permit it :)  too much heat and noise.
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1341 2011-02-25 16:48:25 <jgarzik> no basements around here, either.
1342 2011-02-25 16:48:56 <lfm> jgarzik: geez guy you need a room of your own for stuff like that! grin
1343 2011-02-25 16:49:17 <eps>  yeah just man up
1344 2011-02-25 16:49:26 <eps> grow a pair
1345 2011-02-25 16:49:31 <eps> find some stones
1346 2011-02-25 16:49:33 <eps> etc...
1347 2011-02-25 16:50:32 <lfm> jgarzik: how is it you wound up with those boards if you knew you wouldnt be permitted to use them?
1348 2011-02-25 16:51:10 <jgarzik> lfm: thought a fellow miner would use them...  but apparently not
1349 2011-02-25 16:51:36 <luke-jr> genjix: when I remember to type 'vim' instead of 'nano'
1350 2011-02-25 16:51:47 <BurtyB> eww dirty nano :p
1351 2011-02-25 16:52:11 <lfm> BurtyB: why? you prefer pico?
1352 2011-02-25 16:52:16 <genjix> i mean for dev though... so it isn't your default editor?
1353 2011-02-25 16:52:47 <eps> apt-get purge nano
1354 2011-02-25 16:52:49 <genjix> i want to test pair programming using vim in a shared screen session over ssh + skype
1355 2011-02-25 16:52:55 <genjix> lol
1356 2011-02-25 16:53:17 <genjix> and you have the ssh folder open so you can run the program from the remote store
1357 2011-02-25 16:53:36 <eps> i actually don't mind nano, i use vim most of the time, but it doesn't offend me by its existence the way it does some people
1358 2011-02-25 16:53:39 <genjix> ... or something
1359 2011-02-25 16:54:20 <BurtyB> lfm lol no, pico reminds of pine and all things bad - vi is the one :)
1360 2011-02-25 16:54:42 <genjix> or we could use gobby... but vim is power.
1361 2011-02-25 16:54:48 <jgarzik> maybe I should turn on those 5970's, just to confirm this damn block
1362 2011-02-25 16:54:57 * jgarzik urges the gods of probability to hurry up
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1366 2011-02-25 17:00:53 <knotwork> jgarzik how long would such cards take to pay for themselves if mining 24/7 ?
1367 2011-02-25 17:01:30 <knotwork> ignoring electricity cost
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1371 2011-02-25 17:04:51 <jgarzik> knotwork: 1 month
1372 2011-02-25 17:05:17 <jgarzik> knotwork: a little bit over 1 month
1373 2011-02-25 17:05:18 <citiz3n> no way
1374 2011-02-25 17:05:52 <citiz3n> id say more like 2 months
1375 2011-02-25 17:06:10 <citiz3n> and with difficulty increasing and the market seemingly not to follow with a price increase for difficulty
1376 2011-02-25 17:06:15 <citiz3n> it's riskier
1377 2011-02-25 17:06:22 <citiz3n> could take 3 months to pay it
1378 2011-02-25 17:06:49 <knotwork> yeah I am looking at water cooling sites trying to figure if one really could use the heat even in summer
1379 2011-02-25 17:07:00 <knotwork> by supplementing water heating costs
1380 2011-02-25 17:07:58 <knotwork> also I am thinking maybe combine with generic server farm so the cpu and mobo would already be running anyway
1381 2011-02-25 17:09:07 <citiz3n> too complicated i think
1382 2011-02-25 17:09:36 <knotwork> well I always hated having my servers out of my physical reach
1383 2011-02-25 17:09:57 <knotwork> as I spent my first few years on the internet building an ISP
1384 2011-02-25 17:10:04 <knotwork> so was used to having physical access
1385 2011-02-25 17:10:52 <knotwork> unfortunately the two machines I have in my room here in town are both old PCI type mobos
1386 2011-02-25 17:12:38 <knotwork> but my country house has had both its woodstoves stolen and at least one of them's chimney fallen down
1387 2011-02-25 17:12:59 <knotwork> so I am thinking I might need to use electric heat out there anyway during months when heating is needed
1388 2011-02-25 17:13:24 <knotwork> all this talk about the amount of heat GPUs put out thus starts to sound interesting
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1390 2011-02-25 17:16:06 <bk128_> hp iLO is almost as good as physical access
1391 2011-02-25 17:17:27 <genjix> luke-jr: when I get my new computer... you want to try pair programming on spesmilo?
1392 2011-02-25 17:17:38 <genjix> you will need a headset for skype
1393 2011-02-25 17:18:27 <bk128_> what's spesmilo?
1394 2011-02-25 17:18:30 <knotwork> hp iLO doesnt let me pull out burned out PSU and replace it, stuff like that
1395 2011-02-25 17:18:46 <knotwork> or replace CPU fan when that burns out
1396 2011-02-25 17:19:04 <knotwork> all that kind of hardware stuff I have seen too often over the last couple decades
1397 2011-02-25 17:19:07 <bk128_> no, doesnt let you do that.  you should build a robot to do that stuff :)
1398 2011-02-25 17:19:21 <genjix> bk128_: http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/6546/screenshot1js.png
1399 2011-02-25 17:19:32 <knotwork> I dont have enough mechano on hand to make such a robot
1400 2011-02-25 17:20:00 <bk128_> genjix: different bitcoin client?
1401 2011-02-25 17:20:09 <genjix> yeah
1402 2011-02-25 17:20:21 <bk128_> what language is that?
1403 2011-02-25 17:21:08 <genjix> python/Nokia Qt bindings- PySide
1404 2011-02-25 17:22:29 <bk128_> genjix: sorry, I mean like french,russian, swedish
1405 2011-02-25 17:22:40 <genjix> Esperanto
1406 2011-02-25 17:23:05 <genjix> heh funny you say language and I reply python
1407 2011-02-25 17:23:30 <genjix> it's just showing off internationalisation
1408 2011-02-25 17:23:51 <bk128_> lol.  I've never hear of esperanto
1409 2011-02-25 17:24:40 <genjix> #esperanto or search it on wikipedia ;)
1410 2011-02-25 17:24:53 <bk128_> heard* yeah, looking at wikipedia now
1411 2011-02-25 17:24:58 <jgarzik> if anybody needs mtgox-USD, I'm selling up to $900 for 1:1 PPUSD
1412 2011-02-25 17:26:17 <genjix> bk128_: I wrote this about it https://n-1.cc/pg/groups/44414/esperanto/
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1416 2011-02-25 17:30:50 <bk128_> genjix: so have you spoken it with people in person?
1417 2011-02-25 17:30:56 <bk128_> weird I've never heard of it before
1418 2011-02-25 17:31:26 <genjix> yeah all the time
1419 2011-02-25 17:31:33 <genjix>  /join #esperanto
1420 2011-02-25 17:31:40 <genjix> there's people here on freenode ;)
1421 2011-02-25 17:32:12 <genjix> we have a bitcoin esperanto thread on the forum.
1422 2011-02-25 17:32:17 <bk128_> lol
1423 2011-02-25 17:32:27 <genjix> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1568.0
1424 2011-02-25 17:32:40 <bk128_> so are you only going to release an esperanto version of your client?
1425 2011-02-25 17:32:46 <devon_hillard> is anyone somewhat knowledgeable of general relativity math?
1426 2011-02-25 17:33:15 <genjix> you mean like hilbert spaces and tensor products?
1427 2011-02-25 17:33:33 <genjix> or just the simple derivation of it and lorentzs equations
1428 2011-02-25 17:33:43 <genjix> (no to first, yes to second)
1429 2011-02-25 17:34:23 <genjix> bk128_: lol no. default language is english
1430 2011-02-25 17:35:49 <devon_hillard> genjix: just wondering if gimbal lock is relevant in hyperbolic space
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1434 2011-02-25 17:39:15 <genjix> heh no idea
1435 2011-02-25 17:39:40 <devon_hillard> genjix: in the same manner that a 4d quaternion can represent 3 3d trigonometric rotations
1436 2011-02-25 17:39:56 <devon_hillard> a 4d hyperbolic quaternion can represent hyperbolic rotations
1437 2011-02-25 17:40:05 <genjix> yep i know what gimbal lock is
1438 2011-02-25 17:40:19 <genjix> just don't know whether it's specific to 3D or not :p
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1445 2011-02-25 17:50:35 <sipa> ;;bc,gen 103000
1446 2011-02-25 17:50:37 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 103000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 2.84148778117 BTC per day and 0.118395324215 BTC per hour.
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1448 2011-02-25 17:54:31 <mekel> can ur -f be set so low that it actually slows down ur khashes?
1449 2011-02-25 17:55:03 <mekel> lik -f 1 makes my pc lag, im wondering if its slowing down the khashes
1450 2011-02-25 17:56:32 <sipa> normally not
1451 2011-02-25 17:56:44 <mekel> normally why do u say that
1452 2011-02-25 17:56:58 <sipa> since i am not almighty
1453 2011-02-25 17:57:01 <mekel> haha
1454 2011-02-25 17:57:07 <sipa> and there are a lot of factors
1455 2011-02-25 17:58:02 <sipa> but lower f should increase the hash rate (a bit)
1456 2011-02-25 17:58:13 <sipa> the difference between -f 1 and -f 4 should be very small already
1457 2011-02-25 17:58:20 <mekel> true
1458 2011-02-25 17:58:34 <mekel> when u say lower u mean make it from 4 into -f 1
1459 2011-02-25 17:59:55 <bk128> ;;bc,gen 1020000
1460 2011-02-25 17:59:56 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1020000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 28.1390052116 BTC per day and 1.17245855048 BTC per hour.
1461 2011-02-25 18:00:17 <sipa> yes
1462 2011-02-25 18:00:21 <sipa> 1 is lower than 4
1463 2011-02-25 18:01:05 <bk128> make it -1.  - 1 is lower than 1 :)
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1475 2011-02-25 18:20:45 <mekel> ;;bc,gen 249,000
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1477 2011-02-25 18:20:47 <gribble> Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
1478 2011-02-25 18:20:54 <mekel> ;;bc,gen 249000
1479 2011-02-25 18:20:56 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 249000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 6.86922774283 BTC per day and 0.286217822618 BTC per hour.
1480 2011-02-25 18:21:16 <mmarker> ;;bc,gen 100000
1481 2011-02-25 18:21:17 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 100000 Khps, given current difficulty of 36459.88692508 , is 2.75872600114 BTC per day and 0.114946916714 BTC per hour.
1482 2011-02-25 18:21:35 <mmarker> ;;bc,gen 100000 1
1483 2011-02-25 18:21:36 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
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1485 2011-02-25 18:37:37 <lfm> ;;bc,gend 100000 1
1486 2011-02-25 18:37:38 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 100000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 100582.838058 BTC per day and 4190.95158577 BTC per hour.
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1489 2011-02-25 18:42:08 <Kiba> hey bitcoiners
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1491 2011-02-25 18:42:48 <[Tycho]> Hello.
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1507 2011-02-25 19:06:01 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: yo
1508 2011-02-25 19:06:10 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: how do I point the domain to my VPS server?
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1519 2011-02-25 19:33:46 <omglolbbq> guys, it happened again :( Bitcoin, This application has requested the Runtime to terminate in an unusual way.
1520 2011-02-25 19:34:08 <omglolbbq> this is the third time this happens, i dont feel like reinstalling windows... again...
1521 2011-02-25 19:34:53 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|install it right the first time then
1522 2011-02-25 19:36:03 <omglolbbq> it just works for a few weeks, then poof, this error all of a sudden
1523 2011-02-25 19:39:53 <[Noodles]> never happened to me
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1525 2011-02-25 19:41:56 <omglolbbq> nevermind i'll just run the client on my linux pc only
1526 2011-02-25 19:42:31 <omglolbbq> wallet is fine so i can still recover those btc
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1529 2011-02-25 19:45:26 <phantomcircuit> omglolbbq, you have debug info?
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1531 2011-02-25 19:50:29 <omglolbbq> slushs pool down btw?
1532 2011-02-25 19:51:00 <BlueMatt> slush's pool seems fine from here
1533 2011-02-25 19:51:30 <omglolbbq> can somebody give me the ip? probably dns issues
1534 2011-02-25 19:51:43 <slush> omglolbbq: which miner?
1535 2011-02-25 19:51:49 <BlueMatt> 178.79.147.99
1536 2011-02-25 19:51:53 <omglolbbq> phantomcircuit, it seems  to crash at loading the blockchain
1537 2011-02-25 19:51:57 <omglolbbq> slush, poclbm
1538 2011-02-25 19:52:25 <slush> the version with long living connection?
1539 2011-02-25 19:52:34 <slush> so... new version?
1540 2011-02-25 19:52:48 <omglolbbq> from 4th feb
1541 2011-02-25 19:53:37 <omglolbbq> also, my browser cant access the site :)
1542 2011-02-25 19:53:52 <slush> ping works?
1543 2011-02-25 19:53:52 <BlueMatt> magnetron pointed out to me that there are stubs in http for payment required pages, but no system has ever been implemented to use them...
1544 2011-02-25 19:53:53 <BlueMatt> With all the work there is currently going into monetizing apps with micropayments right now, think about the possibilities of using bitcoin and some browser plugins to enable that.
1545 2011-02-25 19:54:29 <BlueMatt> I would offer a small bounty to someone who impelemnts a working system with a browser plugin which allows for btc micropayments
1546 2011-02-25 19:54:34 <omglolbbq> ping works
1547 2011-02-25 19:54:58 <omglolbbq> how odd is that...
1548 2011-02-25 19:55:09 <slush> omglolbbq: try newer version
1549 2011-02-25 19:55:22 <omglolbbq> slush, but i cant access the site too
1550 2011-02-25 19:55:22 <slush> keep alive was introduced on 15th Feb
1551 2011-02-25 19:57:23 <slush> Well, install new version and give it a try
1552 2011-02-25 19:57:30 <omglolbbq> ugh... my other pc works fine...
1553 2011-02-25 19:57:43 <omglolbbq> what the fck st00pid windows
1554 2011-02-25 19:57:46 <slush> it is probably related to firewall settings on my side
1555 2011-02-25 19:58:02 <slush> still not working on the previous machine? :)
1556 2011-02-25 19:58:13 <omglolbbq> no
1557 2011-02-25 19:58:16 <omglolbbq> 1 working, other not
1558 2011-02-25 19:58:21 <omglolbbq> but ping works there...
1559 2011-02-25 19:58:33 <slush> if ping works, mining will work too
1560 2011-02-25 19:58:40 <omglolbbq> well it doesnt
1561 2011-02-25 19:58:41 <slush> I have to write a post about that
1562 2011-02-25 19:58:55 <slush> mining with new poclbm version
1563 2011-02-25 19:59:02 <slush> if this is issue of SYN packets
1564 2011-02-25 19:59:02 <omglolbbq> yea i just updated
1565 2011-02-25 19:59:08 <slush> oh
1566 2011-02-25 20:00:43 <omglolbbq> hm my firewall is off
1567 2011-02-25 20:00:46 <omglolbbq> so thats not the issue
1568 2011-02-25 20:02:01 <omglolbbq> *reboot*
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1571 2011-02-25 20:07:52 <xelister> what is the best available technicall description with good examples and specs - regardning mining, getwork, chains, markel root and so on?
1572 2011-02-25 20:08:23 <BlueMatt> the wiki
1573 2011-02-25 20:08:30 <BlueMatt> other than that, source
1574 2011-02-25 20:08:32 <slush> omglolbbq: better?
1575 2011-02-25 20:10:00 <mmarker> BlueMatt: how low of a micropayment? Hundreths of cents, or cents?
1576 2011-02-25 20:10:09 <BlueMatt> anything
1577 2011-02-25 20:10:14 <BlueMatt> its not implemented anywhere yet
1578 2011-02-25 20:10:15 <mmarker> hmm
1579 2011-02-25 20:10:22 <BlueMatt> hence, we could claim it for bitcoins
1580 2011-02-25 20:10:29 <BlueMatt> I think it would be a great use for bitcoins
1581 2011-02-25 20:10:46 <BlueMatt> After all, btc is just about the perfect currency for online purchases in general
1582 2011-02-25 20:11:00 <BlueMatt> http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html
1583 2011-02-25 20:11:07 <BlueMatt> look at code 402
1584 2011-02-25 20:11:38 <mmarker> Interesting.
1585 2011-02-25 20:11:48 <BlueMatt> 402 Payment Required
1586 2011-02-25 20:11:48 <BlueMatt> Reserved for future use.[2] The original intention was that this code might be used as part of some form of digital cash or micropayment scheme, but that has not happened, and this code is not usually used. As an example of its use, however, Apple's MobileMe service generates a 402 error ("httpStatusCode:402" in the Mac OS X Console log) if the MobileMe account is delinquent.
1587 2011-02-25 20:11:50 <BlueMatt> from wikipedia
1588 2011-02-25 20:12:07 <mmarker> Yea, Apple uses it
1589 2011-02-25 20:12:11 <mmarker> for "PAY UP SUCKA!"
1590 2011-02-25 20:12:21 <BlueMatt> well who really cares what apple does anyway
1591 2011-02-25 20:12:21 <thedrs> hi people (noob alert) - is there a more comprehensive FAQ out there ? something that includes trying to run multiple clients with same wallet and using miners ...
1592 2011-02-25 20:12:28 <BlueMatt> it invents its own standards all the time
1593 2011-02-25 20:12:37 <mmarker> Well, it does make sense
1594 2011-02-25 20:12:38 <BlueMatt> thedrs: not realy
1595 2011-02-25 20:12:45 <mmarker> if your account is deliquent, you DO need to pay
1596 2011-02-25 20:13:00 <mmarker> so it is, technically, the right code
1597 2011-02-25 20:13:14 <BlueMatt> well, apple doesnt really need to use that code
1598 2011-02-25 20:13:49 <BlueMatt> Anyway I think it would be great (whether we use 402 or some other header) to have a system for easy micropayments with bitcoin on the web
1599 2011-02-25 20:13:50 <mmarker> No, but it is the right code to use.
1600 2011-02-25 20:13:58 <thedrs> so if there isn't, can someone tell me if i can run 2 machines mining using the standart client and using the same wallet ?
1601 2011-02-25 20:14:20 <BlueMatt> thedrs: best solution: run one client and a remote rpc miner
1602 2011-02-25 20:14:43 <mmarker> or 2 remote miners
1603 2011-02-25 20:14:51 <BlueMatt> or, if you plan on using cpu mining, join a pool because you probably wont do very well on your own
1604 2011-02-25 20:15:41 <thedrs> bluematt: have you got a link to explain about pools and where they can be found ?
1605 2011-02-25 20:16:13 <BlueMatt> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Pooled_mining
1606 2011-02-25 20:16:28 <thedrs> thanks
1607 2011-02-25 20:16:47 <mmarker> Ok, almost have this god damn C6000 toolchain put together
1608 2011-02-25 20:18:13 * mmarker grumbles at building a whole freaking toolchain and kernel drivers
1609 2011-02-25 20:18:56 <BlueMatt> are you really gonna get any real performance out of that?
1610 2011-02-25 20:19:14 <mmarker> BlueMatt: No clue. Diablo is interested in how it performs.
1611 2011-02-25 20:19:28 <mmarker> BlueMatt: and I've been meaning to do it for codecs anyways
1612 2011-02-25 20:19:42 <mmarker> So be interesting to see how it churns on SHA-2
1613 2011-02-25 20:20:02 <BlueMatt> fair enough
1614 2011-02-25 20:20:07 <mmarker> Plus side is the TI kernel I now have will up the clockspeed to 1GHz
1615 2011-02-25 20:20:26 <mmarker> been underclocking the thing since the stock OMAP kernel doesn't do the voltage settings needed
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1617 2011-02-25 20:22:45 <mmarker> BlueMatt: and the new devel kit I'm working with is much easier to use. You can just compile the DSP-using code as a .a file, and then link it into your app...and everything Just Works (in theory)
1618 2011-02-25 20:23:33 <BlueMatt> everything should always work (in theory)
1619 2011-02-25 20:23:47 <mmarker> Yea. But there's actual demos of it working
1620 2011-02-25 20:23:48 <mmarker> Soooo....
1621 2011-02-25 20:23:54 <slush> omglolbbq: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1976.msg55159#msg55159
1622 2011-02-25 20:23:57 <mmarker> SOMEONE got it to work at one point :D
1623 2011-02-25 20:24:35 <mmarker> Ok, another 6000 tasks, maybe 500-100 more packages to build
1624 2011-02-25 20:24:40 * mmarker looks to blow his brains out
1625 2011-02-25 20:26:36 <omglolbbq> ok, well i restarted, still cant connect to the pool or site... no idea whats going on...
1626 2011-02-25 20:26:54 <omglolbbq> "problems communicating with bitcoin rpc"
1627 2011-02-25 20:28:02 <slush> omglolbbq: Is the site working now in the browser?
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1629 2011-02-25 20:29:53 <omglolbbq> nope
1630 2011-02-25 20:29:57 <omglolbbq> but ping works
1631 2011-02-25 20:30:04 <slush> try few F5
1632 2011-02-25 20:30:09 <slush> it's weird
1633 2011-02-25 20:30:30 <slush> it is working for me, even in browser without cached DNS or open connection to the server
1634 2011-02-25 20:30:33 <omglolbbq> site doesnt work on the one pc where the miner is working fine either :S
1635 2011-02-25 20:30:47 <omglolbbq> ill reset the modem
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1638 2011-02-25 20:36:31 <omglolbbq> well what do we have here... :) works
1639 2011-02-25 20:36:42 <omglolbbq> modem was messed up it seems
1640 2011-02-25 20:36:43 <slush> hehe
1641 2011-02-25 20:37:09 <omglolbbq> tnx for help though
1642 2011-02-25 20:37:12 <mmarker> slush: Dumb question. Can a miner share a username/pwd?
1643 2011-02-25 20:37:13 <omglolbbq> ill be having diner now :)
1644 2011-02-25 20:37:30 <slush> mmarker: yes, but don't do that if you don't fully understand
1645 2011-02-25 20:37:36 <slush> what are you doing :)
1646 2011-02-25 20:37:37 <mmarker> Or. more apt.
1647 2011-02-25 20:37:51 <mmarker> If I hork up a command line and let it run for a while, how bad did I screw myself?
1648 2011-02-25 20:38:21 <slush> "hork up"?
1649 2011-02-25 20:38:45 <mmarker> slush: Accidentally put two of my miners onto the same username/pwd
1650 2011-02-25 20:38:58 <slush> well, depends on many factors
1651 2011-02-25 20:39:06 <mmarker> hork up = mess up = fuck up = etc.
1652 2011-02-25 20:39:34 <slush> depends on hash speed, depends on miner implementation. If it prebuffer the jobs, some of your shares can be invalid then
1653 2011-02-25 20:39:42 <mmarker> slush: Well, it was my fast miner and one of my slower miners (the 460 GTX gpu miner and 4 way 4 core i5 cou miner)
1654 2011-02-25 20:40:04 <slush> my advice - use separate usernames and you will be fine :)
1655 2011-02-25 20:40:07 <bk128> slush: might want to put an info banner with the message to upgrade miners on the accounts page.
1656 2011-02-25 20:40:07 <mmarker> slush: That was another question I had, but you don't have to answer this if it's too many secrets.
1657 2011-02-25 20:40:25 <mmarker> slush: I usually do...but...uhh..fat fingers and all.
1658 2011-02-25 20:40:29 <slush> mmarker: which secret?
1659 2011-02-25 20:40:47 <slush> The principe on which pool is working is well known :)
1660 2011-02-25 20:41:03 <mmarker> slush: So I have a small army of miners. I'm experimenting with using alot of low power (i.e. slow) miners.
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1662 2011-02-25 20:41:14 <slush> no, this won't work
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1666 2011-02-25 20:41:30 <slush> even with the slowest miners, you cannot connect more than 12 to the same worker account
1667 2011-02-25 20:41:43 <mmarker> The concern I had was is the work divvied to each miner unique enough, or is it all the same work units
1668 2011-02-25 20:41:57 <mmarker> slush: Only have 4 "slow" machines as a test for now.
1669 2011-02-25 20:42:09 <slush> shortly - don't do it
1670 2011-02-25 20:42:11 <slush> trust me
1671 2011-02-25 20:42:21 <slush> unique worker account for every miner
1672 2011-02-25 20:42:28 <mmarker> slush: which is what I have
1673 2011-02-25 20:42:33 <mmarker> No problem there
1674 2011-02-25 20:42:38 <slush> then ok :)
1675 2011-02-25 20:43:00 <mmarker> What I'm struggling with is how the getworks are divvied up.
1676 2011-02-25 20:43:04 <slush> to the previous question - every getwork is unique
1677 2011-02-25 20:44:53 <mekel> hey slush i keep gettin server temporarily down for maintenance errors
1678 2011-02-25 20:44:56 <mekel> every so often
1679 2011-02-25 20:45:08 <slush> that's known issue; pool just found a block
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1681 2011-02-25 20:45:22 <mekel> what does it mean
1682 2011-02-25 20:45:26 <slush> current implementation have to lockup database for a moment.
1683 2011-02-25 20:45:26 <mekel> like does it effect me?
1684 2011-02-25 20:45:32 <slush> no
1685 2011-02-25 20:45:51 <mekel> well as long as it doesnt effect me
1686 2011-02-25 20:45:52 <slush> you just see some ugly messages in th elog
1687 2011-02-25 20:45:58 <mekel> yah
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1689 2011-02-25 20:53:32 <mmarker> slush: how may hits/sec are your servers dealing with? I'm impressed with how you're keeping up...somehow.
1690 2011-02-25 20:53:43 <mmarker> and, how DO you make sure the getworks are unique, extranonce?
1691 2011-02-25 20:54:10 <slush> mmarker: unique getworks is manage direclty by bitcoind now. Yes, it is changing extranonce inside the merkle
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1693 2011-02-25 20:54:44 <mmarker> slush: Gotcha.
1694 2011-02-25 20:54:53 <slush> mmarker: and the keeping the stuff up is nightmare. But it looks like ceiling of connections/sec helped a lot
1695 2011-02-25 20:54:54 <mmarker> Was wondering how the hell it was doing it
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1697 2011-02-25 20:55:24 <mmarker> slush: Yea, sounds like you just have WAY more interest than bandwidth. I think the pushing work would be a win-win
1698 2011-02-25 20:55:50 <slush> I hope so
1699 2011-02-25 20:56:48 * mmarker is far far behind on what he wanted to do with bitcoin
1700 2011-02-25 20:56:57 <mmarker> android client, finish this miner code.
1701 2011-02-25 20:57:15 <bk128> mmarker: you're an android dev?
1702 2011-02-25 20:57:28 <mmarker> bk128: yup
1703 2011-02-25 20:57:36 <mmarker> chromicant on the forums
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1705 2011-02-25 20:57:54 <bk128> cool.  gotta head out now, I'll check it out later
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1707 2011-02-25 20:58:30 <mmarker> Actually, I dont think he understood "far, far behind"
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1709 2011-02-25 21:00:12 <mmarker> and I wish I had the right GFX card for this :(
1710 2011-02-25 21:03:06 <mekel> i wish i had a simple way of watching my mining console screen on my android
1711 2011-02-25 21:03:21 <mmarker> mekel: Hmm
1712 2011-02-25 21:03:24 <BlueMatt> mekel: ssh + screen
1713 2011-02-25 21:03:28 <mmarker> mekel: Which miner are you using?
1714 2011-02-25 21:03:32 <mekel> diablo
1715 2011-02-25 21:03:33 <mmarker> ConnectBot + screen
1716 2011-02-25 21:03:33 <mekel> ya i thot about that
1717 2011-02-25 21:03:53 <mmarker> I may be able to hack something together
1718 2011-02-25 21:03:56 <mmarker> hmm
1719 2011-02-25 21:04:09 <mmarker> I need to finish my node.js REST transmogrifier as I like to call it.
1720 2011-02-25 21:04:26 <mekel> lol leet
1721 2011-02-25 21:04:35 <mekel> actually
1722 2011-02-25 21:04:40 <mmarker> But I really, REALLY want to finish my project first :D
1723 2011-02-25 21:04:47 <mekel> a really cool app would let u access ur wallet and send bitcoins etc
1724 2011-02-25 21:04:49 <mekel> mobile wallet
1725 2011-02-25 21:05:14 <mmarker> Yea, that's what I;'m contemplating
1726 2011-02-25 21:05:27 <mmarker> May at first use a bitcoind instance to do the heavy lifting
1727 2011-02-25 21:05:43 <mmarker> or someone has released a java implementation of the protocol
1728 2011-02-25 21:06:21 <mmarker> It's complicated. I'd need to draw out what I plan on doing, since it really abuses a lot of Google's Android API and C2DM
1729 2011-02-25 21:06:44 <mekel> lol i like the sound of that
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1731 2011-02-25 21:07:11 <mekel> i ponder what actual information is inside a block..
1732 2011-02-25 21:07:22 <mmarker> Basically, you use a bitcoind to register events, like watching for your transactions you're a part of.
1733 2011-02-25 21:07:33 <mmarker> blockexplorer.com
1734 2011-02-25 21:07:55 <mekel> oober
1735 2011-02-25 21:08:10 <mmarker> Back to my rambling: When a block of interest pops up, bitcoind makes a REST call to my transmogrifier, which then sends a notification to your Android device
1736 2011-02-25 21:08:19 <mmarker> the app on the Android device wakes up and does some work.
1737 2011-02-25 21:08:38 <mmarker> Android app goes back to sleep
1738 2011-02-25 21:09:03 <mmarker> Why do it this way? You're on a mobile, battery powered device. You want to sleep as much as physically possible.
1739 2011-02-25 21:09:19 <mekel> hmmm so my bitcoind program would be call ur transmogrifier and then ur trans would call me instead of just bein me and my pc only talking
1740 2011-02-25 21:09:21 <mekel> ?
1741 2011-02-25 21:09:26 <mmarker> polling is the next best way, but then you may be waking up for no real good reason.
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1743 2011-02-25 21:09:58 <mmarker> mekel: Yes. But the neat thing here...is how I have this set up. The bitcoind that listens on the network...it doesn't NEED anyone's wallet
1744 2011-02-25 21:10:16 <mmarker> it just sits and listens to the p2p network chatter, looking for blocks that someone marked as important.
1745 2011-02-25 21:10:56 <mekel> so ur not actually sending the bitcoins to ur transmogrifier at all r u? just info about the transactions/coins
1746 2011-02-25 21:11:01 <mmarker> when it sees one, it goes ding, which in turn makes your phone go ding, and your app on your phone does all the crypto work
1747 2011-02-25 21:11:08 <mmarker> Yes, just block information
1748 2011-02-25 21:11:14 <mekel> ah
1749 2011-02-25 21:11:19 <mekel> haha
1750 2011-02-25 21:11:23 <mekel> i like that
1751 2011-02-25 21:11:36 * Kiba is starting to think of everything in bitcoin
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1753 2011-02-25 21:11:41 <mmarker> mekel: The other way to do it is have the app on the phone listen to the netowrk. But you're on a battery, and a cell coneection...which is slow and cuts into your phone power time.
1754 2011-02-25 21:12:02 <mmarker> Again, for mobile, the less work you do, the better you are.
1755 2011-02-25 21:12:15 <mekel> indeed
1756 2011-02-25 21:12:32 <mmarker> Now, since it's also android...you can also gdo QR generation of codes and scaaning of the same to make a little swipe-card like system
1757 2011-02-25 21:12:45 <mmarker> and my typing is miserable
1758 2011-02-25 21:13:07 <mekel> howevr im wondering why you dont perhaps just make a transmogrifier program for everyone,
1759 2011-02-25 21:13:24 <mekel> instead of sendin the block info to u, they could just hav the program running on their own computer
1760 2011-02-25 21:13:33 <mmarker> The cool bit...is all the code for each little component is out there. i just need to glue them together to make a coherent app...the hardest bit is the glue and the backend services, which really don't exist yet.
1761 2011-02-25 21:13:48 <mekel> lol
1762 2011-02-25 21:14:11 <Kiba> MT`AwAy: yo?
1763 2011-02-25 21:14:16 <mmarker> mekel: It'll all be open source, so if you want to run your own notification service, you can. For Android Cloud to device messaging, though, you need to register with Google for now.
1764 2011-02-25 21:14:26 <MT`AwAy> Kiba: finally caught you
1765 2011-02-25 21:14:32 <mekel> ah ok
1766 2011-02-25 21:14:52 <mmarker> mekel: C2DM is stilla Google Labs thing, and they really don't want you to use it for production yet.
1767 2011-02-25 21:15:16 <mekel> interesting
1768 2011-02-25 21:15:53 <mmarker> mekel: C2DM is, IIRC, how Google uses the Chrome to Phone feature of chrome
1769 2011-02-25 21:16:45 <mekel> oh i did not know that
1770 2011-02-25 21:16:48 <uni4dfx> how hard is it to make a pool server like bitpenny ?
1771 2011-02-25 21:17:11 <mekel> do all the mining sites put out the same odds of making money?
1772 2011-02-25 21:17:21 <mekel> or can u make more moeny with a diff pool
1773 2011-02-25 21:17:32 <mekel> mining sites = pools***
1774 2011-02-25 21:18:08 <mmarker> jgarzik released the basis of his pool software
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1776 2011-02-25 21:18:13 <mmarker> see the forums
1777 2011-02-25 21:18:30 <mmarker> Now coding the database, deliver of proceeds...that's not done. An exercise for the reader, so to speak.
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1780 2011-02-25 21:28:04 <xelister> mmarker: will you be writting one?
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1785 2011-02-25 21:33:42 <mmarker> xelister: a pool. HELL NO
1786 2011-02-25 21:34:02 <mmarker> In between this android app, work, and my pregnant wife, I have -12 hours in a day.
1787 2011-02-25 21:34:09 <mmarker> oh, and home ownership.
1788 2011-02-25 21:34:20 <[Tycho]> xelister, are you interested in pools ?
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1792 2011-02-25 21:39:01 <Lachesis> hey, is there any way to find unconfirmed generations through rpc?
1793 2011-02-25 21:39:38 <Lachesis> ;;bc,stats
1794 2011-02-25 21:39:39 <gribble> Current Blocks: 110445 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 434 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 0 hours, 6 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 52175.78307983
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1805 2011-02-25 22:13:38 <xelister> [Tycho]: yeap
1806 2011-02-25 22:14:19 <[Tycho]> You want to set up your private pool ?
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1809 2011-02-25 22:21:36 <dirtyfilthy> this might be posted ealier somewhere but: http://www.compute4cash.com/
1810 2011-02-25 22:21:40 <dirtyfilthy> interesting idea
1811 2011-02-25 22:21:54 andrew12 is now known as andrewherbig
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1815 2011-02-25 22:25:32 <Lachesis> can spesmilo list unconfirmed generations?
1816 2011-02-25 22:25:54 <Lachesis> with the "matures in xx blocks" notation from the wxgui?
1817 2011-02-25 22:26:33 <lfm> whats spesmilo?
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1821 2011-02-25 22:28:07 <BlueMatt> dirtyfilthy: yea we went through a whole thing trying to get the word out on what that actually is to the world where people just think its someone who pays you for cpu cylces
1822 2011-02-25 22:28:08 <Lachesis> lfm, a qt bitcoind frontend
1823 2011-02-25 22:29:44 <dirtyfilthy> BlueMatt: ah well, at least it seems like it's actually publicised bitcoin in a roundabout way
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1830 2011-02-25 22:33:54 <omglolbbq> slush, can it be a problem connecting more miners from 1 ip? maybe your firewall blocks too many connections from same ip?
1831 2011-02-25 22:34:18 <slush> no
1832 2011-02-25 22:34:23 <slush> do you still have a problem?
1833 2011-02-25 22:34:29 <omglolbbq> not still, again
1834 2011-02-25 22:34:31 <omglolbbq> 1 miner still working
1835 2011-02-25 22:34:40 <slush> tell me IP
1836 2011-02-25 22:34:41 <omglolbbq> other pc just cant connect to site or miner, but ping works fine
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1839 2011-02-25 22:35:17 <slush> I have also more miners behind one IP, so this is not a problem, at least in general
1840 2011-02-25 22:35:21 <lfm> omglolbbq: is your isp blocking odd ports?
1841 2011-02-25 22:35:36 <omglolbbq> lfm, not that i know of, also 1 pc works fine
1842 2011-02-25 22:35:43 <validus> unless he's using the same login pass and its rejecting multiples of the same
1843 2011-02-25 22:35:54 <omglolbbq> no different
1844 2011-02-25 22:36:10 <validus> dont you need seperate worker login/passes on slushes?
1845 2011-02-25 22:36:31 <lfm> omglolbbq: did you turn on some software firewall on that pc?
1846 2011-02-25 22:36:48 <omglolbbq> nope
1847 2011-02-25 22:36:54 <validus> lots of programs like to turn on their own firewall. and windows firewall likes to turn back on by itself if your in windows
1848 2011-02-25 22:36:55 <slush> omglolbbq: well, your IP is not in the blacklist and I see one succesfull connection from your IP
1849 2011-02-25 22:37:03 <omglolbbq> it worked for like 30 minutes then just stopped again
1850 2011-02-25 22:37:28 <lfm> flakey router?
1851 2011-02-25 22:37:48 <validus> nah that woudlnt make sense if everything is working fine just not multiple
1852 2011-02-25 22:37:57 <slush> even the error log doesnt tell me anything about your IP
1853 2011-02-25 22:38:26 <slush> well, we will make a test
1854 2011-02-25 22:38:33 <slush> I'll remove firewall for a moment
1855 2011-02-25 22:38:38 <slush> and you tell me if it connects, right?
1856 2011-02-25 22:38:49 <omglolbbq>      k
1857 2011-02-25 22:39:01 <slush> ready?
1858 2011-02-25 22:39:05 <omglolbbq> yea
1859 2011-02-25 22:39:10 <slush> lets try
1860 2011-02-25 22:39:21 <omglolbbq> starting
1861 2011-02-25 22:39:31 <comboy> oh, same problem as mine
1862 2011-02-25 22:39:42 <omglolbbq> nothing..
1863 2011-02-25 22:39:48 <omglolbbq> problems communicating with bitcoin rpc
1864 2011-02-25 22:39:59 <comboy> I switched to solo mining today again because of this, about 3, sometimes up to 5 workers connected, more failed
1865 2011-02-25 22:40:49 <omglolbbq> can you connect to the site on those machines that fail?
1866 2011-02-25 22:40:51 <slush> firewall is back again
1867 2011-02-25 22:41:54 <slush> well, I have nothing like limits per IP
1868 2011-02-25 22:42:14 <comboy> maybe your provider?
1869 2011-02-25 22:42:37 <slush> definitely not
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1871 2011-02-25 22:42:55 <comboy> but to me it's totally weird, it's http, even if there were limits it should fail randomly on all workers, and like 3 mine fine rest fails
1872 2011-02-25 22:43:01 <slush> comboy: is the site working on all your computers?
1873 2011-02-25 22:43:11 <comboy> yeah
1874 2011-02-25 22:43:22 <comboy> let me check wget on this headless but ping worked
1875 2011-02-25 22:43:24 <lfm> does opencl work on Radeon HD 6310?
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1877 2011-02-25 22:43:44 <slush> comboy: you may try telnet mining.bitcoin.cz 8332
1878 2011-02-25 22:43:56 <xelister> I was thinking
1879 2011-02-25 22:44:03 <slush> and telnet mining.bitcoin.cz 80
1880 2011-02-25 22:44:06 <xelister> actually implementing hookers for BTC should be easy
1881 2011-02-25 22:44:22 <xelister> just wait for confirmations before sending (escort) and then the delay is not a big problem
1882 2011-02-25 22:44:23 <xelister> \o/
1883 2011-02-25 22:44:40 <comboy> slush: well telnet is connecting now, but now I have no workers connected to you
1884 2011-02-25 22:44:43 <lfm> hard to do online, kinda needs to be local
1885 2011-02-25 22:45:13 <xelister> lfm: hm? well escorts to hotel/home
1886 2011-02-25 22:45:35 <lfm> yup, you just need to run a phone number
1887 2011-02-25 22:45:54 <comboy> but slush do you have any idea why it would keep working on some miners and fail on others? is my thinking correct that even when something was blocking requests it should randomly fail on all workers?
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1889 2011-02-25 22:46:13 <slush> yes
1890 2011-02-25 22:46:18 <comboy> I'll try running a few and then telnet
1891 2011-02-25 22:46:24 <slush> If it is still the same computer which fails, it is really weird
1892 2011-02-25 22:46:25 <lfm> is that due to overloading?
1893 2011-02-25 22:46:47 <slush> no, I have console open and server is working well
1894 2011-02-25 22:47:07 <lfm> overloading the net port?
1895 2011-02-25 22:48:31 <omglolbbq> idk i'll shut down the other miner in a bit, see if that enables this pc
1896 2011-02-25 22:49:31 <slush> lfm: no, I don't see anything bad
1897 2011-02-25 22:49:33 <luke-jr> genjix: wtf is pair programming?
1898 2011-02-25 22:49:36 <luke-jr> genjix: Skype is proprietary.
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1900 2011-02-25 22:51:13 <luke-jr> genjix: should add language to settings
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1910 2011-02-25 22:53:21 <comboy> slush: currently for me works fine on all 8 workers
1911 2011-02-25 22:53:30 <comboy> but yesterday it had also good moments then used to fail
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1913 2011-02-25 22:53:56 <lfm> Graphics Wrestler? hehe
1914 2011-02-25 22:54:08 <slush> comboy: ok, I set new firewall settings  today
1915 2011-02-25 22:54:23 <slush> comboy: yesterday I did the black magic here and restarted server few times
1916 2011-02-25 22:54:24 <comboy> btw have you checked lfm suggestion? ulumit -a | grep open files  (I guess)
1917 2011-02-25 22:54:36 <slush> of course
1918 2011-02-25 22:54:43 <slush> only few thousands of connections
1919 2011-02-25 22:54:51 <comboy> :)
1920 2011-02-25 22:55:08 <comboy> hopefully it will stay working like this, if not I'll let you know
1921 2011-02-25 22:55:14 <slush> great
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1923 2011-02-25 22:58:13 <theymos> Is the "report to moderator" feature on the forum new? I just received an email triggered by it for the first time. Where does the report function exist in the UI? I assume it's hidden from me because I'm a moderator, but I can't see it with a test account, either.
1924 2011-02-25 22:58:18 <comboy> slush: btw for score, C=300 still?
1925 2011-02-25 22:58:26 <slush> yes
1926 2011-02-25 23:01:36 <comboy> slush: last one - any chance to get this table that's on statistics page but for all time or at least since difficulty change?
1927 2011-02-25 23:02:05 <slush> you mean longer history?
1928 2011-02-25 23:02:09 <comboy> yes
1929 2011-02-25 23:02:22 <slush> http://mining.bitcoin.cz/stats/?history=xxx
1930 2011-02-25 23:02:42 <slush> replace xx with number
1931 2011-02-25 23:02:45 <lfm> radeon hd 6310 seems to be what they're calling the gpu on the cpu chip
1932 2011-02-25 23:02:57 <comboy> slush: weeeeeeeee, thanks a lot! :)
1933 2011-02-25 23:03:09 <slush> but don't tell it anybody! :))
1934 2011-02-25 23:03:39 <comboy> sure, that's gonna be our secret!
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1936 2011-02-25 23:06:10 <bk128> ArtForz: ping
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1938 2011-02-25 23:08:05 <lfm> ;;seen artforz
1939 2011-02-25 23:08:05 <gribble> artforz was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 21 hours, 43 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <ArtForz> not containing a required fee is a good candidate
1940 2011-02-25 23:08:28 <ArtForz> ?
1941 2011-02-25 23:09:33 <lfm> you must be working hard, quiet for 21 hours! I dont beleive you sleep
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1944 2011-02-25 23:10:48 <comboy> lfm: sleeping now would be irrational, we're gonna sleep when difficulty is above 500k (I mean in a few weeks)
1945 2011-02-25 23:11:09 <bk128> ArtForz: mobo is still dead.  any other things I can try?
1946 2011-02-25 23:11:19 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,stats
1947 2011-02-25 23:11:22 <gribble> Current Blocks: 110455 | Current Difficulty: 36459.88692508 | Next Difficulty At Block: 110879 | Next Difficulty In: 424 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 22 hours, 38 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 52194.17113274
1948 2011-02-25 23:11:47 <ArtForz> I'd junk it, not worth fucking around
1949 2011-02-25 23:12:02 <bk128> ArtForz: ok
1950 2011-02-25 23:13:36 <bk128> ArtForz: of course, out of warranty by a month.
1951 2011-02-25 23:15:01 <omglolbbq> slush, i shut down the other miner, now i can access the site fine and miner works too
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1953 2011-02-25 23:19:18 <hwolf> whats the total gh/s right now?
1954 2011-02-25 23:19:24 * bk128 is never buying a shuttle pc again
1955 2011-02-25 23:19:37 <jrabbit> ,,bc:blocks
1956 2011-02-25 23:19:37 <gribble> Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
1957 2011-02-25 23:19:48 <jrabbit> ;;blocks
1958 2011-02-25 23:19:48 <gribble> Error: "blocks" is not a valid command.
1959 2011-02-25 23:19:50 <theymos> hwolf: About 419.
1960 2011-02-25 23:19:50 <jrabbit> :(
1961 2011-02-25 23:19:56 <bk128> ;;bc,blocks
1962 2011-02-25 23:19:57 <gribble> 110456
1963 2011-02-25 23:19:57 <hwolf> how do you look that up?
1964 2011-02-25 23:20:00 <jrabbit> ty
1965 2011-02-25 23:20:02 <bk128> np
1966 2011-02-25 23:20:11 <theymos> hwolf: Bottom line of http://blockexplorer.com/q/nethash .
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1968 2011-02-25 23:21:32 <hwolf> so that is growing really fast wow
1969 2011-02-25 23:22:48 <hwolf> that makes sense why somebody would try to ddos the mining pools
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1971 2011-02-25 23:35:27 <jrabbit> wow the difficult has exploded :|
1972 2011-02-25 23:35:45 <jrabbit> used to get approx a block every 3 weeks on this 4core machine
1973 2011-02-25 23:35:52 <jrabbit> its about a year now XD
1974 2011-02-25 23:36:05 <presence> I havent gotten a block this whole fricken cycle
1975 2011-02-25 23:36:12 <presence> and Im running 770Mhash/s
1976 2011-02-25 23:39:02 <jrabbit> XD
1977 2011-02-25 23:39:19 <jrabbit> Lol I killed a diaspora setup for this? :P
1978 2011-02-25 23:39:53 <jrabbit> maybe i should pt it on a testnet and get real fake moneys :P
1979 2011-02-25 23:40:19 <xelister> presence: me too bro.  how long you wait for block?
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1982 2011-02-25 23:40:53 <presence> my last block was 2/20
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1985 2011-02-25 23:41:41 <xelister> hmm I dont understand faggistanish date formats...
1986 2011-02-25 23:41:44 <xelister> you ment 2011-02-20 ?
1987 2011-02-25 23:41:52 <presence> yes
1988 2011-02-25 23:41:54 <xelister> >_>
1989 2011-02-25 23:42:18 <xelister> wait, actually I was wrong to bash you. faggistan uses month, day, year. most nonsense format possible =)
1990 2011-02-25 23:42:43 <presence> I could have done 20feb2011
1991 2011-02-25 23:42:57 <ItsDaFeds> plus hh-mm-ss at the end. to make even less sense.
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1993 2011-02-25 23:43:14 purpleposeidon is now known as PurplePoseidon
1994 2011-02-25 23:43:26 <xelister> ItsDaFeds: Im amazed Americans dont use HH:SS:MM
1995 2011-02-25 23:43:34 <ItsDaFeds> :-)
1996 2011-02-25 23:44:34 <xelister> in 5 th century when people where inventing time system
1997 2011-02-25 23:44:49 <xelister> they proposed 100-base no 60 base system
1998 2011-02-25 23:44:53 <midnightmagic> mm/dd is how people talk, it's not that faggy.
1999 2011-02-25 23:45:14 <xelister> but Americans where all like: oh no what about minute :69 it looks like sex THINK OF THE CHILDREEN blarrarhrhghghhgh and limited it to 60
2000 2011-02-25 23:45:16 <xelister> <_<
2001 2011-02-25 23:45:41 <ItsDaFeds> oh the horror
2002 2011-02-25 23:45:42 <midnightmagic> xelister SMASH with lookie-eyes!
2003 2011-02-25 23:46:18 <xelister> this storry is funny because it shows americans as hypocrit idiot moral faggots and is NOT true for a change =)
2004 2011-02-25 23:46:39 <xelister> (as the nation/gov/majority, of course individual people can be better/worse)
2005 2011-02-25 23:46:45 <ItsDaFeds> base 60 is fine for time, unless you want to measure angles in base 100/10 too.
2006 2011-02-25 23:47:14 <xelister> base 60 is not that bad
2007 2011-02-25 23:47:52 <presence> somehow I dont think americans came up with the time system
2008 2011-02-25 23:48:06 * noagendamarket is amazed americans still use imperial measurements
2009 2011-02-25 23:48:15 <ItsDaFeds> Fact: time didn't exist until Columbus discovered it
2010 2011-02-25 23:48:20 <xelister> what IS stupid is using like mm-dd-yyyy for general formating and archiving, midnightmagic, like naming of files (in every day talk "on 31st" or "31st next month" etc is what ever , but it is just wrong in organizaing e.g. computer files)
2011 2011-02-25 23:48:33 <noagendamarket> was columbus the first version of chuck norris ?
2012 2011-02-25 23:48:56 <ItsDaFeds> noagendamarket: No, that was Sir Francis Drake
2013 2011-02-25 23:49:07 <noagendamarket> the drake is a lie
2014 2011-02-25 23:50:11 <midnightmagic> xelister: you rage a lot. I suspect you would be a happier person if you moved into a cabin in the woods somewhere and restricted your activities to eating the odd stray child who happened by..
2015 2011-02-25 23:50:48 <xelister> midnightmagic: nah. Im even not moved by Rageon AGAIN hanging entire system =)
2016 2011-02-25 23:51:09 <luke-jr> noagendamarket: Imperial is superior to Metric in some areas
2017 2011-02-25 23:51:18 <ItsDaFeds> ATI Rageon?
2018 2011-02-25 23:51:23 <luke-jr> xelister: I always use YYYY-MM-DD
2019 2011-02-25 23:51:36 <luke-jr> xelister: except when I use YYY-MM-DD :P
2020 2011-02-25 23:52:03 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: it is? in what?
2021 2011-02-25 23:52:12 <xelister> luke-jr: as do all sane people ;) yyyy-mm-dd. it sorts correctly as is matching our natural left-to-right highest-lowest priority format
2022 2011-02-25 23:52:16 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: liquid measurement
2023 2011-02-25 23:52:26 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: oh, no, nevermind. I suspect a lecture on tonal coming up.. ;-)
2024 2011-02-25 23:52:35 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: no, it's binary
2025 2011-02-25 23:52:42 <xelister> hehe from what I looked, tonal may make some sense for angles right?
2026 2011-02-25 23:53:03 <luke-jr> xelister: Tonal makes sense for everything
2027 2011-02-25 23:53:04 <xelister> but wait, again, is tonal just like base16 with a strange glyphs for some digits?
2028 2011-02-25 23:53:10 <xelister> trolololol
2029 2011-02-25 23:53:12 <luke-jr> xelister: Tonal is base16.
2030 2011-02-25 23:53:25 <luke-jr> well, really base10, but base16 for decimal users
2031 2011-02-25 23:53:29 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: liquid measurement? a litre makes less sense than a gallon? when was the last time you were able to drink a gallon of milk? ;)
2032 2011-02-25 23:53:38 <xelister> can't we just write hex if it is base-16 anyway?
2033 2011-02-25 23:53:48 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: usually you drink a cup :P
2034 2011-02-25 23:54:00 <luke-jr> xelister: Tonal is older than hex.
2035 2011-02-25 23:54:08 <presence> oh jeez
2036 2011-02-25 23:54:23 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: no way man, i drink 236mL!
2037 2011-02-25 23:54:28 <presence> this number system argument sucks my will to live
2038 2011-02-25 23:54:31 <xelister> ItsDaFeds: since many people are using radeons with Ati's drivers, it it getting unofficiall nickname RAGE!ON
2039 2011-02-25 23:54:49 <xelister> esp if you are setting up multi GPU, even more when using 4x5970 or trying to do that on 6xxxx =)
2040 2011-02-25 23:54:54 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: that's almost a cup
2041 2011-02-25 23:54:57 <midnightmagic> presence: this time it was my fault. i humbly beg your forgiveness and will shortly post pics of my personal seppuku
2042 2011-02-25 23:55:06 <presence> heh
2043 2011-02-25 23:55:16 <presence> I make special effort to not talk numbers here
2044 2011-02-25 23:55:19 <ItsDaFeds> xelister: I figured. Although I haz also got my rage on. so guilty as the rest of them.
2045 2011-02-25 23:55:19 <xelister> midnightmagic: want to mege that with my baunty?
2046 2011-02-25 23:55:22 <xelister> Tired of **CPU** pooled 'mining' with no result? GET PAID NOW! Send pic of "Xelister and bitcoin rock! :*" pen-written: 1 BTC on hand; If ur cute girl: 2; 5 on back or above breasts; 10 on them(>18yo!). ~15 BTC for nice girls(PM me). Not faked! Real offer:) PM before!
2047 2011-02-25 23:55:25 <luke-jr> a litre is a bit more than a quart
2048 2011-02-25 23:55:56 <presence> I measure in drams
2049 2011-02-25 23:56:00 <xelister> double is the pen-writting say like  "DIFF OVER 50k! Goodby cruel world!"
2050 2011-02-25 23:56:11 <midnightmagic> i love my radeons, they've been working pretty much flawlessly for months.
2051 2011-02-25 23:56:12 <ItsDaFeds> presence: how many wee drams are there in a dram?
2052 2011-02-25 23:56:58 <presence> 1um, no thanks :D
2053 2011-02-25 23:57:17 <xelister> midnightmagic: I have few ways to crash them 100% of the time (not counting ways including overclocking etc)
2054 2011-02-25 23:57:30 <comboy> xelister: you + 4chan convince me to create a site where girls will be paid to write something on their boobs... We accept bitcoins!
2055 2011-02-25 23:57:36 <midnightmagic> xelister: one example?
2056 2011-02-25 23:57:41 <xelister> comboy: woot
2057 2011-02-25 23:57:42 <ItsDaFeds> ah, one question, what temperature are folks happy to have their cards (5870 in my case) running at? Got a cron checking it and turning off bitcoin server at 90C currently. Is this over-cautious?
2058 2011-02-25 23:57:47 <luke-jr> 1 butt = 2 cask = 4 coomb = 8 strike = 16 bushel = 32 kenning = 64 peck = 128 gallon = 256 pottle = 512 quart = 1024 pint = 2048 cup = 4096 gill = 8192 jack = 16384 pony = 32768 mouthful
2059 2011-02-25 23:58:00 <midnightmagic> ItsDaFeds: Art would probably say it's under-cautious.
2060 2011-02-25 23:58:46 <midnightmagic> ItsDaFeds: I have my target at 85C and I have a heavily-modified version of art's fan controller keeping a lid on that.
2061 2011-02-25 23:58:56 <luke-jr> or using Tonal… 1 butt = 2 cask = 4 coomb = 8 strike = 10 bushel = 20 kenning = 40 peck = 80 gallon = 100 pottle = 200 quart = 400 pint = 800 cup = 1000 gill = 2000 jack = 4000 pony = 8000 mouthful
2062 2011-02-25 23:59:01 <xelister> midnightmagic: login to vt-7 (alt-ctrl-f7 etc) like normally you do (in X).  Switch-user to be in vt-8 X session, login as another user.  Play opengl computer game.  Ctrl-alt-f7. wait few seconds.  Then ctrl-alt-f1.  It will hang it 50% of the time, repeat this sequence, 90% hang on 2nd repeat, 100% on 3rd (ubuntu, SMP, amd64, radeon 5xxx on amd drivers)
2063 2011-02-25 23:59:15 <comboy> ItsDaFeds: it will run fan at 100% when it will get to 92-95 even if you did set fanspeed, if it does not help it will be thresholding, it's really not that easy to burn it (I think)