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2 2011-03-06 00:01:50 <gribble> gavinandresen was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 1 day, 0 hours, 57 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <gavinandresen> luke-jr: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/97
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9 2011-03-06 00:13:34 <keystroke> how is your asic project going ArtForz?
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22 2011-03-06 00:36:54 <JackRabiit> Using poclbm-GUI i get "problems communicating with Bitcoin RPC" when connecting to my local bit coin server 127.0.0.1, I get 220Mhash/s when connecting to Deepbit, i have all needed ports ready and fowarded, im trying to solo mine with my GPU, without using the standard mining client, im running poclbm-GUI help?
23 2011-03-06 00:37:30 <[Tycho]> Is your server started on the same PC ?
24 2011-03-06 00:37:44 <JackRabiit> Thats what i wonderd in the first place
25 2011-03-06 00:37:45 <[Tycho]> Have you created configuration file with login and password ?
26 2011-03-06 00:37:53 <JackRabiit> Yes i did the 2nd thing you said
27 2011-03-06 00:38:00 <BitterTea> JackRabiit: You need to either run bitcoind (the bitcoin daemon), or start bitcoin with the -server command line switch
28 2011-03-06 00:38:20 <BitterTea> If you want to use the GUI as well, you want to ues the switch
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30 2011-03-06 00:38:38 <BitterTea> Find or make a shortcut to bitcoin, and then add -server at the end of the path
31 2011-03-06 00:38:48 <JackRabiit> soooo run bitcoin, annnnnd somehow running poclbm-GUI with 127 set will mine the bitcoin server?>
32 2011-03-06 00:38:49 <[Tycho]> Try setting login and password with command line arguments instead of configuration file because it may be it some wrong directory.
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34 2011-03-06 00:38:59 <JackRabiit> Dir's are fine
35 2011-03-06 00:39:12 <[Tycho]> Which one ?
36 2011-03-06 00:39:15 <JackRabiit> Oh
37 2011-03-06 00:39:33 <JackRabiit> *just read bittertea's statement" what do you mean wich one?
38 2011-03-06 00:40:50 <[Tycho]> What directory ?
39 2011-03-06 00:40:59 <JackRabiit> Thankyou Bitter tea! all problems solved
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45 2011-03-06 01:02:28 <Spenvo> peeps, just posted my first interview with bitcoin trader peng zhong of nylria- http://bit.ly/gB3ZNP
46 2011-03-06 01:08:49 <joe_1> wat is nylria
47 2011-03-06 01:10:20 <Spenvo> it's the name of peng's company, which does interface design for developers. Basically he makes websites look pretty
48 2011-03-06 01:10:28 <Spenvo> and he accepts bitcoin!
49 2011-03-06 01:11:04 <Spenvo> so if you want a slick website and you got bitcoin. problem solved
50 2011-03-06 01:12:01 <joe_1> cool
51 2011-03-06 01:12:20 <joe_1> but he charges like 300 or 500 coins i'm guessing
52 2011-03-06 01:13:47 <joe_1> at one point was looking for someone to make my site look pretty but i wasnt trying to spend so many coins
53 2011-03-06 01:14:22 <Spenvo> maybe. it's probably broken down into hourly rates.
54 2011-03-06 01:15:39 <Spenvo> yea. if you just need html/css done, going to him might be overkill. he's got skills in higher level languages
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56 2011-03-06 01:20:28 <Tril> if I want to start hacking on bitcoin code is this a good starting place? "git clone https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.git"
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60 2011-03-06 01:22:46 <`Jaka> bitcoins are dying Lol
61 2011-03-06 01:25:55 <lfm> Tril: feel free
62 2011-03-06 01:26:07 <jgarzik> mtgox.com sold to mt`away: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4187.0
63 2011-03-06 01:26:10 <bitbot> Mtgox is changing owners Connection refused.
64 2011-03-06 01:26:12 <lfm> `Jaka: how do you figgure?
65 2011-03-06 01:26:49 <`Jaka> Thanks to everyone that has supported mtgox so far. Canât wait to see BTC hit $10!
66 2011-03-06 01:26:51 <`Jaka> >10$
67 2011-03-06 01:26:52 <`Jaka> more like
68 2011-03-06 01:26:53 <`Jaka> never
69 2011-03-06 01:27:44 <Tril> I'm confused by the development process - mentioning a svn repository..where is that?
70 2011-03-06 01:28:06 <lfm> i think thats old
71 2011-03-06 01:28:30 <theymos> SVN is the "stable" code. It's on SourceForge.
72 2011-03-06 01:28:37 <jgarzik> SVN repository is still the area for 'stable' stuff
73 2011-03-06 01:28:52 <Tril> got it thanks
74 2011-03-06 01:28:53 <jgarzik> things get pulled in batchs from git -> svn
75 2011-03-06 01:30:33 <Necr0s1> Interesting process
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77 2011-03-06 01:31:56 <phantomcircuit> MT`AwAy, neat so you're taking over mtgox?
78 2011-03-06 01:32:09 <phantomcircuit> ps what the hell does that stand for
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81 2011-03-06 01:34:21 <Tril> I imagine MT=MagicalTux Away=not paying attention to IRC
82 2011-03-06 01:34:43 <Tril> or did you mean what does mtgox stand for
83 2011-03-06 01:37:35 <Necr0s> MagicalTux Goes Off Xanax.
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87 2011-03-06 01:40:02 <phantomcircuit> Tril, mtgox
88 2011-03-06 01:40:08 <phantomcircuit> Tril, also, his name is always `Away
89 2011-03-06 01:40:09 <phantomcircuit> lulz
90 2011-03-06 01:40:50 <lfm> mygox == Magic The Gathering Online Xchange
91 2011-03-06 01:41:03 <lfm> obviously for historical reasons
92 2011-03-06 01:41:03 <Necr0s> no shit?
93 2011-03-06 01:41:08 <Necr0s> lol
94 2011-03-06 01:41:30 <lfm> started as a card trading site as I understand it
95 2011-03-06 01:41:32 <luke-jr> lfm: except that it's clearly "Mt. Gox"
96 2011-03-06 01:41:35 <sipa> mtgox = mtgox the greatest online xchange
97 2011-03-06 01:41:53 <jgarzik> MT`AwAy was MT`AwAy long before he bought mt gox
98 2011-03-06 01:41:54 <Necr0s> it is a catchy name
99 2011-03-06 01:42:15 <MT`AwAy> :D
100 2011-03-06 01:42:21 <MT`AwAy> I've been MT`AwAy since ~2002
101 2011-03-06 01:42:31 <phantomcircuit> MT`AwAy, lulz
102 2011-03-06 01:42:52 <MT`AwAy> maybe I'll change the usage~
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105 2011-03-06 01:43:51 <lfm> so what'll you use the G for?
106 2011-03-06 01:44:09 <MagicalTux> lfm: global?
107 2011-03-06 01:44:16 <lfm> ok
108 2011-03-06 01:44:17 <MagicalTux> anyway that's not the problem for now
109 2011-03-06 01:44:20 <luke-jr> MagicalTux bought MtGox?
110 2011-03-06 01:44:31 <Tril> yes
111 2011-03-06 01:44:32 <MagicalTux> luke-jr: that explains why I have been so busy, and a bit late on QBitcoin
112 2011-03-06 01:44:42 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: what's the point of buying it?
113 2011-03-06 01:44:43 <MagicalTux> ("a bit" being an understatement)
114 2011-03-06 01:44:58 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: do you own all the main BitCoin-related stuff now? :P
115 2011-03-06 01:45:11 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: so late with QBitcoin, it'll be obsolete at this rate ;)
116 2011-03-06 01:45:14 <MagicalTux> luke-jr: I like bitcoin and want it to be successful, but it's still lacking a few things
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118 2011-03-06 01:45:30 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: are you going to open source MtGox? :D
119 2011-03-06 01:45:32 <MagicalTux> luke-jr: I plan to have something out for QBitcoin before the show in japan in 2 weeks
120 2011-03-06 01:45:32 * jgarzik still wants to pay his mortgage in bitcoins
121 2011-03-06 01:46:10 <MagicalTux> luke-jr: for now I'm going to improve a lot of things for MtGox, and maybe write and migrate to a new codebase, so I'll be sure to know every line of the code
122 2011-03-06 01:46:21 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: TBC support?
123 2011-03-06 01:47:11 <MagicalTux> luke-jr: if you really insist, I'll put a cheat code input in the user settings where if people enter "I love luke-jr" or "I am luke-jr" their account switchs to TBC display :p
124 2011-03-06 01:47:12 <jgarzik> rotfl
125 2011-03-06 01:47:32 <Necr0s> will you be doing anything to make it easier to move USD funds in and out of mtgox?
126 2011-03-06 01:47:40 <MagicalTux> Necr0s: that's the goal too
127 2011-03-06 01:47:45 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: copying Spesmilo's settings dialog might make more sense.
128 2011-03-06 01:47:52 <luke-jr> Necr0s++
129 2011-03-06 01:48:30 <MagicalTux> first with automated ACH, and next with by lifting the 1000$/day limit
130 2011-03-06 01:48:34 <MagicalTux> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4187.0 <- some details
131 2011-03-06 01:48:35 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: fyi, that is 2 combo-boxes: Assume|Prefer|Force Decimal|Tonal
132 2011-03-06 01:48:36 <bitbot> Mtgox is changing owners Connection refused.
133 2011-03-06 01:49:02 <MagicalTux> bitbot: Connection refused ?
134 2011-03-06 01:49:03 <MagicalTux> :D
135 2011-03-06 01:49:12 <doublec> prophetic words from bitbox
136 2011-03-06 01:49:20 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: it does that for all URIS
137 2011-03-06 01:49:26 <Necr0s> Those would be welcome additions.
138 2011-03-06 01:49:46 <lfm> someones dns cache is stale?
139 2011-03-06 01:50:06 <luke-jr> whoa, MtGox is changing his own name, so the site keeps it?
140 2011-03-06 01:50:36 <MagicalTux> luke-jr: MtGox means a bit more than just a name for the community
141 2011-03-06 01:51:09 <lfm> ;;seen mtgox
142 2011-03-06 01:51:09 <gribble> mtgox was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 4 weeks, 4 days, 6 hours, 15 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <mtgox> that would be my guess also
143 2011-03-06 01:51:12 <sipa> it's the de-facto definition of a bitcoin exchange rate :)
144 2011-03-06 01:51:34 <luke-jr> sipa: not quite ;)
145 2011-03-06 01:51:40 <luke-jr> I always ask higher than MtGox
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148 2011-03-06 01:53:03 <luke-jr> FWIW, MtGox keeps giving me Forbidden maybe 50% of the time
149 2011-03-06 01:53:05 <Keefe> MagicalTux: can you lift the $1K/day limit without creating more legal complications? or are you planning on jumping through all the US hoops anyway?
150 2011-03-06 01:53:06 <Necr0s> yet you base your ask on the mtgox price.
151 2011-03-06 01:53:13 <xelister> mtgox megachart is broken
152 2011-03-06 01:53:15 <xelister> for days.
153 2011-03-06 01:53:18 <xelister> sucks
154 2011-03-06 01:53:25 <MagicalTux> xelister: I'll fix that too
155 2011-03-06 01:53:31 <luke-jr> Necr0s: not really, no
156 2011-03-06 01:53:31 <xelister> MagicalTux: you
157 2011-03-06 01:53:33 <xelister> ?
158 2011-03-06 01:53:36 <MagicalTux> xelister: yes, me
159 2011-03-06 01:53:39 <xelister> how come
160 2011-03-06 01:53:40 <Keefe> MagicalTux: the websocket feed is down, not just for me, right?
161 2011-03-06 01:53:46 <MagicalTux> Keefe: yep, exactly
162 2011-03-06 01:53:53 <MagicalTux> websocket feed is in python
163 2011-03-06 01:54:01 <xelister> ssssssssssssplendid
164 2011-03-06 01:54:14 <MagicalTux> luke-jr: that'll be completly fixed soon, once the domain transfers completes
165 2011-03-06 01:54:17 <xelister> python would be quite good language probably
166 2011-03-06 01:54:22 <lfm> ;;bc,mtgox
167 2011-03-06 01:54:23 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.9189,"low":0.8111,"vol":12517,"buy":0.8114,"sell":0.9098,"last":0.9103}}
168 2011-03-06 01:54:23 <xelister> if not the gay syntax thing =)
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170 2011-03-06 01:54:40 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, fyi if you'd ever like some free help i pretty much know what im doing :P
171 2011-03-06 01:54:46 <MagicalTux> xelister: anyway I'll put this back up as soon as I finish auditing it
172 2011-03-06 01:54:49 <phantomcircuit> (and have lots of time...)
173 2011-03-06 01:54:56 <xelister> languages that depend on whitespaces and restrict newlines freedom in all syntax: 1) Microsoft Visual Basic 2) Python 3) ?
174 2011-03-06 01:55:15 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: feel free to reuse my human formatting code from Spesmilo as if it were BSD licensed.
175 2011-03-06 01:55:40 <Keefe> MagicalTux: was "Keefe: yep, exactly" in reference to the websocket, or the legal complications?
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177 2011-03-06 01:55:41 <lfm> xelister: bash?
178 2011-03-06 01:55:47 <MagicalTux> Keefe: the websockets
179 2011-03-06 01:55:50 <luke-jr> xelister: VB doesn't restrict newline freedom
180 2011-03-06 01:56:03 <luke-jr> lfm: neither does BASH
181 2011-03-06 01:56:49 <lfm> luke newline and spaces are sytacticlly significant
182 2011-03-06 01:57:02 <luke-jr> lfm: but you can still use them
183 2011-03-06 01:57:21 <luke-jr> just put a \ (or _ in VB) at the end of the line to mark it as continued on the next
184 2011-03-06 01:57:43 <Keefe> i don't mind VB's treatment of whitespace, but Python puts too much significance on indenting
185 2011-03-06 01:58:01 <luke-jr> Python might not be half as bad if everyone didn't use spaces instead of tabs
186 2011-03-06 01:58:11 <MagicalTux> I like how the websocket issue became a programming language troll :D
187 2011-03-06 01:58:18 <Keefe> heh
188 2011-03-06 01:58:27 <MagicalTux> (and I started it)
189 2011-03-06 01:58:35 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, i never understood why all the python people insist on spaces over tabs
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191 2011-03-06 01:59:00 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, it's always the same ridiculous TABS ARE TOO LONG BECAUSE I EDIT IN NOTEPAD.EXE garbage
192 2011-03-06 01:59:07 <MagicalTux> phantomcircuit: I never understood why people insist on spaces over tabs, even outside python
193 2011-03-06 01:59:08 <lfm> tabs are poorly defined
194 2011-03-06 01:59:14 <luke-jr> even Notepad.exe lets you configure that I think
195 2011-03-06 01:59:24 <luke-jr> lfm: no, they aren't.
196 2011-03-06 01:59:25 <gwillen> oh dear god, are you people really arguing about this
197 2011-03-06 01:59:29 <phantomcircuit> lfm, tabs are well defined, it's a tab
198 2011-03-06 01:59:45 <luke-jr> tabs are well-defined as a single level of indentation
199 2011-03-06 01:59:51 <lfm> sure thats agreat definition
200 2011-03-06 01:59:55 <MagicalTux> gwillen: internet is made of trolls, you cannot bring anything up without causing some blood
201 2011-03-06 01:59:59 <gwillen> there are like five tech holy wars
202 2011-03-06 02:00:05 <gwillen> I swear, next you will be talking about vim versus emacs
203 2011-03-06 02:00:06 <luke-jr> gwillen: vi
204 2011-03-06 02:00:11 <gwillen> luke-jr: :-P
205 2011-03-06 02:00:20 <doublec> there should be a 0.01 bitcoin fee per line to be allowed to mention emacs, vi, tab or white space in the channel
206 2011-03-06 02:00:20 <lfm> emacs rules! grin
207 2011-03-06 02:00:43 <gwillen> doublec: I agree completely
208 2011-03-06 02:00:43 <sipa> a tab ought to be equivalent to 5.27 spaces when displaying them
209 2011-03-06 02:00:45 <lfm> why stop there?
210 2011-03-06 02:00:46 <MagicalTux> doublec: don't forget python, php, tbc, etc
211 2011-03-06 02:00:46 <gwillen> as long as the fee goes to me
212 2011-03-06 02:00:48 <luke-jr> or we could fine for writing code using spaces instead of tabs
213 2011-03-06 02:00:55 <doublec> MagicalTux: agreed!
214 2011-03-06 02:00:56 <knotwork> nazi; jesus
215 2011-03-06 02:01:01 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: yeah, make trolling against TBC illegal :P
216 2011-03-06 02:01:09 <phantomcircuit> emacs vs vim is like arguing about poop flavored icecream vs shit flavored icecream
217 2011-03-06 02:01:11 <lfm> sipa 5.27 ems
218 2011-03-06 02:01:19 <luke-jr> every time someone brings it up, the trolls come out of the woodwork
219 2011-03-06 02:01:24 <gwillen> oh yeah, I forgot, this channel has its own private flamewar too
220 2011-03-06 02:01:25 <MagicalTux> Godwin!
221 2011-03-06 02:01:30 <sipa> lfm: yes, but even when using a fixed-width font!
222 2011-03-06 02:01:33 <gwillen> luke-jr versus everybody else on the subject of Tonal :-P
223 2011-03-06 02:01:50 <luke-jr> gwillen: not everyone is a troll
224 2011-03-06 02:02:06 <luke-jr> in fact, one other bitcoin user expressed interest in learning Tonal
225 2011-03-06 02:02:15 <luke-jr> I'll keep him anonymous for fear of the trolls
226 2011-03-06 02:02:26 <lfm> luke-jrthey were just trolling you
227 2011-03-06 02:02:27 <MagicalTux> sipa: I edit code in a terminal, and a tab is always equal to the setting I set, which is 4 spaces on my computer (wide screen) and 2 spaces on my laptop (smaller screen)
228 2011-03-06 02:02:41 <sipa> MagicalTux: i wasn't being serious :)
229 2011-03-06 02:02:50 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: wait, you can configure tab width in terminal?
230 2011-03-06 02:02:56 <luke-jr> please how
231 2011-03-06 02:03:12 <lfm> luke "set tab stops"
232 2011-03-06 02:03:25 <luke-jr> lfm: ?
233 2011-03-06 02:03:46 <lfm> luke-jr an escape sequence, Id have to look up the details
234 2011-03-06 02:04:00 <sipa> most editors will interpret the tabs for you, anyway, i assume
235 2011-03-06 02:04:04 <MagicalTux> luke-jr: in vim, you can. In terminal you probably can too, but I never bothered that far
236 2011-03-06 02:04:06 <sipa> and not emit tabs to the terminal
237 2011-03-06 02:04:17 <lfm> sipa some will some wont
238 2011-03-06 02:04:49 * xelister embbeds tabs in his block
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240 2011-03-06 02:05:20 <lfm> some will surround your tabs with invisible spaces
241 2011-03-06 02:05:26 <sipa> ESC-H apparently sets a tab stop at the curson's position
242 2011-03-06 02:05:41 <sipa> (linux console, but some terminal may do the same)
243 2011-03-06 02:05:44 <MagicalTux> lfm: just use a good editor
244 2011-03-06 02:06:24 <lfm> some editors will silently convert spaces to tabs for you
245 2011-03-06 02:06:39 <lfm> or vice versa
246 2011-03-06 02:07:30 <MagicalTux> lfm: never saw any editor do that by default
247 2011-03-06 02:07:32 <MagicalTux> (yet)
248 2011-03-06 02:07:34 <phantomcircuit> lfm, i've yet to find one that will go from spaces to tabs, but the other way is trivial
249 2011-03-06 02:08:03 <MagicalTux> phantomcircuit: many editors have the space->tabs ability :)
250 2011-03-06 02:08:15 <lfm> you might have to look in dark and musty corners of the editing world
251 2011-03-06 02:08:48 <MagicalTux> lfm: I like my console editor, and use it all the time. It does what I need and I don't need to complain about anything :)
252 2011-03-06 02:09:00 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, they always get it wrong though
253 2011-03-06 02:09:02 <xelister> "Canadian songwriters are proposing a $10 fee to be added to monthly ISP bills, giving users a license to download music using peer-to-peer file sharing technologies for free, without fear of reprisal.
254 2011-03-06 02:09:07 <xelister> what this fags are saying?
255 2011-03-06 02:09:15 * lfm once worked at a company that did word processor format translations
256 2011-03-06 02:09:22 <phantomcircuit> xelister, it's voluntary iirc
257 2011-03-06 02:09:25 <xelister> what about music groups NOT in canada that still want the 'law' enforced
258 2011-03-06 02:09:28 <MagicalTux> xelister: in France they got both the tax and the crackdown on people downloading
259 2011-03-06 02:09:33 <xelister> phantomcircuit: sure but it is stupid as fuxk
260 2011-03-06 02:09:35 <xelister> fuck
261 2011-03-06 02:09:42 <phantomcircuit> xelister, oh no doubt
262 2011-03-06 02:09:47 <xelister> MagicalTux: France is full of slaves apparently
263 2011-03-06 02:09:55 <xelister> no wonder so big freenet use there
264 2011-03-06 02:09:57 <phantomcircuit> xelister, they're trying to pretend like they represent all artists, which is patently false
265 2011-03-06 02:10:20 <lfm> oh another flamewar topic
266 2011-03-06 02:10:23 <MagicalTux> :p
267 2011-03-06 02:10:32 <xelister> and on the other side
268 2011-03-06 02:10:40 <phantomcircuit> lfm, something tells me we can all agree on this
269 2011-03-06 02:10:59 <xelister> A man was charged with felony wiretapping for recording the police during a traffic stop - he made a cellphone as an officer approached his vehicle.
270 2011-03-06 02:11:17 <phantomcircuit> anybody have a btc node they'd ok with me hardcoding into my client? (static ips appreciated :P)
271 2011-03-06 02:11:20 <MagicalTux> in France they even got a music-copy tax on blank cds
272 2011-03-06 02:11:26 <MagicalTux> phantomcircuit: use the list on the wiki
273 2011-03-06 02:11:31 <phantomcircuit> which list?
274 2011-03-06 02:11:43 <MagicalTux> phantomcircuit: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Fallback_Nodes
275 2011-03-06 02:12:22 <lfm> phantomcircuit: there is a huge list in the standard client you could just copy
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277 2011-03-06 02:16:13 <phantomcircuit> really i just want 1 for right now
278 2011-03-06 02:16:14 <phantomcircuit> :P
279 2011-03-06 02:16:24 <xelister> phantomcircuit: I sent you pm.
280 2011-03-06 02:16:27 <phantomcircuit> jeez im light headed
281 2011-03-06 02:17:20 <MagicalTux> phantomcircuit: use the ones labelled "MagicalTux" in the "Fallback nodes" list
282 2011-03-06 02:17:40 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, yeah i am174.120.185.74:8333
283 2011-03-06 02:18:08 <luke-jr> sweet, got my bashrc defining tabstops :P
284 2011-03-06 02:18:13 <phantomcircuit> now to see how long these can stay connected before throwing an exception xD
285 2011-03-06 02:18:20 <luke-jr> wonder if i can make it update whne I resize the window :x
286 2011-03-06 02:18:21 <phantomcircuit> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'add'
287 2011-03-06 02:18:23 <phantomcircuit> damn
288 2011-03-06 02:18:26 <phantomcircuit> not long at all :(
289 2011-03-06 02:19:02 <doublec> is this your python client?
290 2011-03-06 02:19:10 <MagicalTux> luke-jr: dunno if bash lets you capture window resize events
291 2011-03-06 02:19:25 <phantomcircuit> doublec, yes
292 2011-03-06 02:19:37 <phantomcircuit> i've got 2 modules with stupid names
293 2011-03-06 02:19:49 <phantomcircuit> node and peers, they keep scewing things up where i forget
294 2011-03-06 02:20:10 <lfm> on SIGWINCH do whatever?
295 2011-03-06 02:21:04 <MagicalTux> bash: trap 'echo "hi"' SIGWINCH
296 2011-03-06 02:21:09 <MagicalTux> it echoes "hi" if you resize the window
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298 2011-03-06 02:21:46 <lfm> but does it work in .profile?
299 2011-03-06 02:21:46 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: yep, now it works perfect
300 2011-03-06 02:21:53 <luke-jr> it even saves/restores the old cursor position
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302 2011-03-06 02:23:41 <Syke_> oh crap
303 2011-03-06 02:23:52 <Syke_> ;;bc,estimate
304 2011-03-06 02:23:53 <gribble> 73511.36944801
305 2011-03-06 02:23:56 <lfm> iirc some vt100 had a limit on the number of tabs you could put in a line
306 2011-03-06 02:24:13 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
307 2011-03-06 02:24:16 <gribble> Current Blocks: 112150 | Current Difficulty: 55590.23763914 | Next Difficulty At Block: 112895 | Next Difficulty In: 745 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 16 hours, 46 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 73511.36944801
308 2011-03-06 02:24:31 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 265000 73511
309 2011-03-06 02:24:32 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 265000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 73511, is 1 week, 6 days, 18 hours, 57 minutes, and 3 seconds
310 2011-03-06 02:24:43 <luke-jr> crap
311 2011-03-06 02:24:52 <MagicalTux> lfm: probably doesn't apply to virtual terminals
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313 2011-03-06 02:25:22 <lfm> I psoze it depends how slavish they emulate vt100
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319 2011-03-06 02:34:17 <sethsethseth> does anyone actually have sdk 2.1 working with 64bit windows?
320 2011-03-06 02:34:50 <lfm> sethsethseth: I do sorta
321 2011-03-06 02:35:23 <lfm> oops sorry I have 64 bit linux, never mind
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329 2011-03-06 02:41:18 <phantomcircuit> lol neat
330 2011-03-06 02:41:24 <phantomcircuit> this appears to be working correctly
331 2011-03-06 02:41:25 <phantomcircuit> AMAZING
332 2011-03-06 02:42:06 <lfm> this?
333 2011-03-06 02:42:35 <lfm> you never seen irc before?
334 2011-03-06 02:43:20 <phantomcircuit> no my threaded bitcoin client in python
335 2011-03-06 02:43:23 <phantomcircuit> it's sexyness
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338 2011-03-06 02:44:40 <lfm> phantomcircuit: open source?
339 2011-03-06 02:44:48 <phantomcircuit> lfm, yes
340 2011-03-06 02:45:03 <phantomcircuit> http://github.com/phantomcircuit/bitcoin-alt
341 2011-03-06 02:45:08 <phantomcircuit> genius name right?
342 2011-03-06 02:45:57 <[Tycho]> Now we need bitcoin-ctrl and bitcoin-del
343 2011-03-06 02:46:06 <phantomcircuit> lolololol
344 2011-03-06 02:46:07 <phantomcircuit> WINRAR
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346 2011-03-06 02:47:18 <lfm> README zero bytes long? need to work on that! grin
347 2011-03-06 02:47:45 <phantomcircuit> lulz
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350 2011-03-06 02:50:06 <phantomcircuit> lfm, HOW YOU LIKE ME NOW
351 2011-03-06 02:52:43 <lfm> ? dunno, just browsing so far
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353 2011-03-06 02:54:06 <phantomcircuit> lfm, read the README again
354 2011-03-06 02:54:49 <phantomcircuit> lfm, https://github.com/phantomcircuit/bitcoin-alt/commit/a275786636ca5e413b08e7aceb376ab440933904
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356 2011-03-06 02:56:15 <phantomcircuit> also my naming convention for data is totally broken
357 2011-03-06 02:56:16 <phantomcircuit> crap
358 2011-03-06 02:56:29 <lfm> phantomcircuit: gee nice, now all I gotta do is learn python
359 2011-03-06 02:56:30 <phantomcircuit> guess ill need to introduce classes for tx/block
360 2011-03-06 02:56:45 <phantomcircuit> lfm, xD
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371 2011-03-06 03:10:16 <theboos> Is there any more work involved in including a transaction in a block than hashing a group of transactions and integrating it into the block header to be hashed? In other words, am I right in thinking that the cost of including, say, 20 transactions into a block is no greater (except for an initial hash of the transactions before the block header generation is attempted) than the cost of including one?
372 2011-03-06 03:10:44 <theymos> Right. You just have to re-hash that branch of the Merkle tree.
373 2011-03-06 03:11:26 <xelister> MagicalTux: 06218EB5 D9C2A ... , 7BF40CE9 FB17768B A3CE5DAB ....
374 2011-03-06 03:11:40 <MagicalTux> xelister: ?
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377 2011-03-06 03:12:31 <tcatm> theymos: Yep, miners only need the merkle root. Once that is calculated it doesn't matter how many transactions are in a block.
378 2011-03-06 03:12:56 <tcatm> s/theymos/theboos/
379 2011-03-06 03:13:30 <tcatm> Your nicks are too similar (and my auto nick color script even decided to use the same colors for both of you) :)
380 2011-03-06 03:13:40 <phantomcircuit> theboos, every additional transaction causes at height(merkle_tree) hash operations
381 2011-03-06 03:14:16 <MagicalTux> xelister: matches
382 2011-03-06 03:16:15 <theboos> Ok, makes sense. So why is there a significant backlog of transactions, and why are they not processed within an average of 10 minutes? The most recent block (http://blockexplorer.com/b/112162) had only two transactions but as far as I know the backlog has not completely gone away (I haven't made a transaction in a day or two so I may be wrong). What motive is there to not include all outstanding transactions in a given block, espec
383 2011-03-06 03:16:15 <theboos> ially if transaction fees are offered? It seems like miners should be trying to include as many transactions as possible in blocks they try to generate.
384 2011-03-06 03:16:51 <theymos> There are fee rules that prevent too many free transactions from getting in blocks.
385 2011-03-06 03:17:06 <phantomcircuit> theboos, including transactions in the block increases the permanent size of the block chain, so including every transaction that is advertised would lead to a permanent DoS attack
386 2011-03-06 03:18:47 <theboos> phantomcircuit: those transactions would necessarily be put in the block chain at some point, so in what way would it be a DoS attack?
387 2011-03-06 03:19:18 <phantomcircuit> theboos, actually no they wont necessarily ever make it into the block chain
388 2011-03-06 03:19:28 <phantomcircuit> if some miner decides to do it they will
389 2011-03-06 03:19:35 <theboos> theymos: fee rules enforced by the network (a block that does not conform will not be accepted) or just in the default bitcoin client that miners are free to ignore or include?
390 2011-03-06 03:19:38 <phantomcircuit> otherwise they could forever be unconfirmed
391 2011-03-06 03:19:53 <theymos> theboos: Default, though AFAIK all big miners follow the default rules.
392 2011-03-06 03:22:11 <theymos> 3kB are reserved for free transactions, plus another 23kB for high-priority free transactions. The remaining part of the 500kB max block creation size is for paid transactions.
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394 2011-03-06 03:23:37 <theboos> I've never made a large transaction requiring a fee; do paid transactions usually get processed within the next block or so?
395 2011-03-06 03:23:50 <doublec> theboos: you can see the transaction backlog here: http://www.bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/
396 2011-03-06 03:24:11 <theymos> theboos: Yes. You can force a fee by changing an option in the settings.
397 2011-03-06 03:24:47 <phantomcircuit> theymos, that applies for all tx's though :(
398 2011-03-06 03:25:11 <theymos> Yeah; there really should be a per-tx option.
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405 2011-03-06 03:44:18 <btcex> hi all!
406 2011-03-06 03:44:33 <btcex> how I can add BTC to mtgox account? %)
407 2011-03-06 03:44:54 <btcex> It is do not display btc-address for them
408 2011-03-06 03:46:06 <[Tycho]> Hello, btcex.
409 2011-03-06 03:46:19 <lfm> it should when you select to transfer fund into mtgox
410 2011-03-06 03:46:25 <Cusipzzz> click on Add funds enter an amount, and it will give you an address
411 2011-03-06 03:46:44 <btcex> Cusipzzz: nope
412 2011-03-06 03:47:00 <btcex> it shows Add $ US Dollars and Add Bitcoins
413 2011-03-06 03:47:12 <Cusipzzz> yes, type a number in Add Bitcoins Box
414 2011-03-06 03:47:17 <Cusipzzz> click Send
415 2011-03-06 03:47:22 <Cusipzzz> it returns an address
416 2011-03-06 03:47:24 <lfm> the whole site just moved to a new server and new administrator so there may be some problems at the moment
417 2011-03-06 03:47:39 <Cusipzzz> it works, i just tried it (sorry for eating an address MT ;)
418 2011-03-06 03:47:43 <[Tycho]> http://www.dvhardware.net/article38967.html
419 2011-03-06 03:47:45 <btcex> yes, I already done this but it is do not shows address
420 2011-03-06 03:47:54 <btcex> anyone can check this?
421 2011-03-06 03:47:56 <Cusipzzz> btcex: what browser?
422 2011-03-06 03:47:58 <Cusipzzz> it works for me
423 2011-03-06 03:47:59 <btcex> chrome
424 2011-03-06 03:48:04 <lfm> allow popup?
425 2011-03-06 03:48:11 <Cusipzzz> firefox here...i can try chrome
426 2011-03-06 03:48:12 <btcex> yes
427 2011-03-06 03:48:27 <Cusipzzz> is it a script popup, though
428 2011-03-06 03:48:50 <btcex> few months ago I do this
429 2011-03-06 03:49:00 <btcex> but now it is do not work
430 2011-03-06 03:49:14 <lfm> do you block popup?
431 2011-03-06 03:49:25 <Sedo> JavaScript disabled?
432 2011-03-06 03:50:13 <btcex> Sedo: no
433 2011-03-06 03:50:16 <btcex> lfm: no
434 2011-03-06 03:50:26 <btcex> adblock may be?
435 2011-03-06 03:50:56 <btcex> yes, this is adblock
436 2011-03-06 03:51:01 <btcex> thanks all
437 2011-03-06 03:51:17 <lfm> thats odd
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446 2011-03-06 04:03:59 <[Tycho]> Who is the author of this ? http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin.png
447 2011-03-06 04:05:00 <davex___> bc;;estimate
448 2011-03-06 04:05:07 <theymos> [Tycho]: sipa
449 2011-03-06 04:05:11 <davex___> ;;bc,estimate
450 2011-03-06 04:05:12 <gribble> 74301.11687772
451 2011-03-06 04:05:23 <davex___> ;;bc,stats
452 2011-03-06 04:05:25 <gribble> Current Blocks: 112177 | Current Difficulty: 55590.23763914 | Next Difficulty At Block: 112895 | Next Difficulty In: 718 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 11 hours, 46 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 74301.11687772
453 2011-03-06 04:07:02 <[Tycho]> Thanks.
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457 2011-03-06 04:25:41 <mmagic> i hate whoever it was that cut power for that short time and gave me hope.
458 2011-03-06 04:26:05 <mmagic> screw you, whoever you are. :-P
459 2011-03-06 04:29:49 <orion> Do you guys have a list of real products that are being bought/sold for BTC?
460 2011-03-06 04:30:21 <MagicalTux> orion: you can try to check https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade
461 2011-03-06 04:32:46 <orion> Nice, thanks./
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471 2011-03-06 05:22:05 <noagendamarket> dave winer just tweeted about bitcoin :)
472 2011-03-06 05:23:07 <noagendamarket> http://twitter.com/#!/davewiner/statuses/43854016379232256
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476 2011-03-06 05:34:14 <mmagic> who the heck is dave winer.. :)
477 2011-03-06 05:49:54 <noagendamarket> the father of rss
478 2011-03-06 05:50:45 <noagendamarket> http://twitter.com/#!/davewiner
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484 2011-03-06 06:00:17 <Lachesis> hey, i'm getting an error finding db_cxx.h with a clean build of git HEAD
485 2011-03-06 06:00:25 <Lachesis> headers.h:43: fatal error: db_cxx.h: No such file or directory
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488 2011-03-06 06:01:36 <tcatm> Lachesis: ../dist/configure --enable-cxx
489 2011-03-06 06:02:09 <Lachesis> tcatm, saying i need to reinstall berkley db?
490 2011-03-06 06:02:18 <Lachesis> why have i had to reinstall all my libs lately?
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493 2011-03-06 06:02:54 <tcatm> Lachesis: at at least install the c++ dev libs for bdb
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498 2011-03-06 06:06:00 <Lachesis> kk idk why i didn't have that installed before...
499 2011-03-06 06:06:02 <Lachesis> but now it's building
500 2011-03-06 06:06:04 <Lachesis> ty tcatm
501 2011-03-06 06:06:11 <Lachesis> i must have some screwy build depends
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504 2011-03-06 06:20:33 <theymos> What's the block count on the new testnet?
505 2011-03-06 06:20:56 <nanotube> theymos: mmm good question. let me fire up a client and see.
506 2011-03-06 06:22:55 <tcatm> 10674
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508 2011-03-06 06:24:56 <nanotube> mmm my client is still catching up on the block chain.
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510 2011-03-06 06:26:09 <theymos> Thanks. Bitcoin Block Explorer is switching to the new testnet now.
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512 2011-03-06 06:35:30 <dazoe> [Tycho]: how often does beepbit send payments? and are they cron'ed or do manual?
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514 2011-03-06 06:37:41 <nanotube> yep, got 10674 blocks here too
515 2011-03-06 06:38:20 <theymos> Thanks.
516 2011-03-06 06:40:50 <phantomcircuit> hmm anybody know how the hash for the inv_vect of a tx is calculated?
517 2011-03-06 06:41:03 <phantomcircuit> im guessing it's just the sha256(sha256 of the raw tx data
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519 2011-03-06 06:43:54 <mmagic> is there a way to send coins to an IP via the rpc interface?
520 2011-03-06 06:44:01 <mmagic> i can't see one. ..
521 2011-03-06 06:44:11 skeledrew has joined
522 2011-03-06 06:45:16 <theymos> No.
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524 2011-03-06 06:47:41 <dazoe> do i need to build bitcoin from source it i was to connect to the testnet?
525 2011-03-06 06:47:54 <theymos> No. Just use the -testnet switch.
526 2011-03-06 06:47:55 <mmagic> no, just use "-testnet" in the args
527 2011-03-06 06:48:16 <dazoe> do i need to worry about my wallet.dat?
528 2011-03-06 06:48:52 <theymos> No. Bitcoin will create a separate data directory for testnet.
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532 2011-03-06 06:52:12 <mrb_> Computing power thrown at mining has doubled every 27 days in the last 15 months.
533 2011-03-06 06:52:36 <mrb_> Can any of you think of any other example of such an exponential growth, in any field?
534 2011-03-06 06:53:54 <theymos> I bet that difficulty would go over 150,000 at the end of this month. It's looking somewhat possible now.
535 2011-03-06 06:54:46 <JFK911> it could
536 2011-03-06 06:54:59 <JFK911> ;;bc,calcd 400000 150000
537 2011-03-06 06:54:59 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 400000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 150000, is 2 weeks, 4 days, 15 hours, 23 minutes, and 32 seconds
538 2011-03-06 06:55:04 <JFK911> haha
539 2011-03-06 06:55:39 <Blitzboom> solo gpu-mining is over
540 2011-03-06 06:55:50 <Blitzboom> (with single gpus)
541 2011-03-06 06:56:33 <mmagic> awesome. charlie sheen rules.
542 2011-03-06 06:57:04 <jgarzik> mmagic: ?
543 2011-03-06 06:57:12 <mmagic> that interview is pretty epic
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545 2011-03-06 06:57:23 <mmagic> i'm bi-winning.
546 2011-03-06 06:58:30 <Raulo> mrb_: Any field? Nuclear explosion. Doubling every microsecond or something like that.
547 2011-03-06 06:58:36 <mmagic> he looks like the stoner in ferris bueller, but 70
548 2011-03-06 06:58:50 <Blitzboom> ;;bc,estimate
549 2011-03-06 06:58:51 <gribble> 74334.55225172
550 2011-03-06 06:59:08 <Blitzboom> hm, we could see 80k
551 2011-03-06 07:00:01 <mrb_> Raulo: well I mean not a physical process, but a process or technological improvement
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553 2011-03-06 07:00:25 <mrb_> say the growth rate of a startup
554 2011-03-06 07:01:18 <mrb_> Twitter appears to have grown its user base by 2x every 2-3 months in its early phase
555 2011-03-06 07:01:38 <mrb_> this does not surpass Bitcoin
556 2011-03-06 07:04:54 <Blitzboom> iâm not sure you can compare users to the hashrate
557 2011-03-06 07:05:05 <mmagic> i am!
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563 2011-03-06 07:18:26 <Keefe> just one person adding a 5970 can look like 300 average cpus joining
564 2011-03-06 07:46:09 <sgornick> MagicalTux: Are you doing maint on the wiki? http://en.bitcoin.it
565 2011-03-06 07:46:28 <MagicalTux> nah, overload again, still waiting for new servers
566 2011-03-06 07:47:01 <sgornick> ok,, thanks.
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568 2011-03-06 07:51:09 <MagicalTux> loadavg has settled down
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576 2011-03-06 08:30:36 <[Tycho]> Is blockexplorer's author here ?
577 2011-03-06 08:30:50 <MagicalTux> [Tycho]: sometimes
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579 2011-03-06 08:31:31 <theymos> [Tycho]: I am.
580 2011-03-06 08:32:07 <MagicalTux> [Tycho]: he is
581 2011-03-06 08:32:19 <andrew12> I are
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586 2011-03-06 08:49:53 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,estimate
587 2011-03-06 08:49:53 <gribble> 74636.83025163
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589 2011-03-06 09:07:16 <FellowTraveler> Hi all.
590 2011-03-06 09:07:50 <[Tycho]> Hello.
591 2011-03-06 09:09:29 <mrb_> lfm, FYI: http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=49
592 2011-03-06 09:16:45 <[Tycho]> Why JPG ? http://blog.zorinaq.com/images/bitcoin-hashes.jpg
593 2011-03-06 09:17:12 <[Tycho]> Where can i see this graph in real time ?
594 2011-03-06 09:17:14 <mrb_> because my blog sucks
595 2011-03-06 09:17:26 <mrb_> only able to make thumbnails for jpg
596 2011-03-06 09:17:31 <mrb_> although I could fix that
597 2011-03-06 09:17:33 <mrb_> 2sec
598 2011-03-06 09:17:37 <[Tycho]> Oh, i found it.
599 2011-03-06 09:18:13 <mrb_> k. I also updated the post with the original source.
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604 2011-03-06 09:39:54 <AAA_awright> Has Bitcoin found a hash that equals 0 yet? :)
605 2011-03-06 09:40:53 <dissipate> nope
606 2011-03-06 09:40:59 <Diablo-D3> that would probably cause the end of the world
607 2011-03-06 09:41:08 <dissipate> AAA_awright, the probability of finding hash 0 is almost 0. :O
608 2011-03-06 09:41:17 <AAA_awright> There has to be an easy way to find the lowest one generated so fat
609 2011-03-06 09:41:19 <AAA_awright> *far
610 2011-03-06 09:41:28 <Diablo-D3> AAA_awright: well duh
611 2011-03-06 09:41:33 <Diablo-D3> look at all the headers.
612 2011-03-06 09:41:49 <AAA_awright> Diablo-D3: I don't know how to do that
613 2011-03-06 09:42:00 <Diablo-D3> well, blockexplorer for one
614 2011-03-06 09:42:24 <AAA_awright> It's all kept away in a bdb right?
615 2011-03-06 09:42:42 <AAA_awright> meh
616 2011-03-06 09:43:38 <dissipate> AAA_awright, blockexplorer.com is a convenient way of exploring all generated blocks.
617 2011-03-06 09:45:04 <theymos> This seems to be the lowest hash: http://blockexplorer.com/b/101777
618 2011-03-06 09:46:39 <[Tycho]> What difficulty would it be ?
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620 2011-03-06 09:47:44 <AAA_awright> That's quite a long way to go to 0 then :-/
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622 2011-03-06 09:48:15 <Diablo-D3> AAA_awright: not really
623 2011-03-06 09:48:22 <Diablo-D3> its a 256 bit number.
624 2011-03-06 09:48:49 <Diablo-D3> thats under 17 bits.
625 2011-03-06 09:48:50 <mrb_> [Tycho]: about difficulty 16e6
626 2011-03-06 09:49:09 <AAA_awright> Diablo-D3: That's the block number
627 2011-03-06 09:49:14 <Diablo-D3> oh
628 2011-03-06 09:49:25 <Diablo-D3> yeah thats huge
629 2011-03-06 09:49:42 <mrb_> I mean 256e6
630 2011-03-06 09:49:57 <AAA_awright> 000000000000000834e72c05564b54cc21ac27fb0cbe4ec686bfe607273ad611 is less than 196 bits
631 2011-03-06 09:50:07 <mrb_> (I am still confused by the endianness despite having written a damn miner)
632 2011-03-06 09:50:13 <[Tycho]> 281474976710656 ?
633 2011-03-06 09:50:26 <mrb_> 268435456
634 2011-03-06 09:50:51 <mrb_> 268e6 more precisely
635 2011-03-06 09:51:11 <[Tycho]> Oh
636 2011-03-06 09:51:23 * [Tycho] failed at scientific notation
637 2011-03-06 09:51:51 * Diablo-D3 facepalms.
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641 2011-03-06 10:13:33 <ArtForz> fixed the coolermaster 600W PSU
642 2011-03-06 10:14:17 <ArtForz> 12V output inductor shorted out
643 2011-03-06 10:15:51 <ArtForz> my nonscientifc failure analysis - why do those fucktards have to goop glue on everything
644 2011-03-06 10:16:23 <magnetron> ArtForz: cheapest way to attach stuff to eachother
645 2011-03-06 10:16:55 <ArtForz> winding shorted out under the glue, looked ok everywhere else
646 2011-03-06 10:18:22 <ArtForz> either simple overheating because of the insulating properties or pretty much ripping the enamel off the wire thanks to different coefficients of expansion
647 2011-03-06 10:20:00 <JFK911> the user shouldn't have let it get warm :(
648 2011-03-06 10:20:20 <JFK911> especially if he knows that temperature changes are bad for electronics.
649 2011-03-06 10:20:30 <ArtForz> core didnt look too bad, rewound it with 4 strands of double-coated 1.2mm and kapton tape between windings
650 2011-03-06 10:21:27 <ArtForz> aka "this will desolder itself before the winding shorts out"
651 2011-03-06 10:23:28 <molecular> aka: "do-it-yourself" is sometimes better than factory-shit?
652 2011-03-06 10:23:36 <ArtForz> usually is
653 2011-03-06 10:23:59 <molecular> I have some old marantz-amps... that's good factory-shit
654 2011-03-06 10:24:21 <ArtForz> yep, and the exception rather than the rule
655 2011-03-06 10:24:36 <molecular> sadly
656 2011-03-06 10:25:38 <ArtForz> there were plenty of crap amp manufacturers back then, but that shit died long ago
657 2011-03-06 10:25:59 <molecular> yeah, the survivors must be good by definition
658 2011-03-06 10:27:11 <molecular> I'm currently looking at your non-node and coding db-persistance (impl blockdb, txdb)
659 2011-03-06 10:27:36 <molecular> a COutPoint is an Adress?
660 2011-03-06 10:28:13 <ArtForz> errr... no
661 2011-03-06 10:28:31 <molecular> ups, just saw CAdress
662 2011-03-06 10:29:20 <molecular> ok, but CtTxIn, and CTxOut are the objects to hold the lists of in/out of a tx
663 2011-03-06 10:29:21 <molecular> ?
664 2011-03-06 10:29:30 <ArtForz> yes
665 2011-03-06 10:30:01 <ArtForz> well, vtxin/vtxout is a list of CTxIn/CTxOut
666 2011-03-06 10:30:03 <molecular> CTxOut.scriptPubKey is the destination adress?
667 2011-03-06 10:30:29 <ArtForz> well, it's the pubkey script, if it's standard form extracting the dst address is somewhat simple
668 2011-03-06 10:30:49 <ArtForz> bitcointools shows pretty well how to do that
669 2011-03-06 10:31:10 <molecular> hm, ok, 'll look into bitcointools first then
670 2011-03-06 10:31:47 <molecular> what's the COutPoint.hash ?
671 2011-03-06 10:32:05 <ArtForz> hash of the prev transaction that input is referring to
672 2011-03-06 10:32:53 <ArtForz> if you have a COutPoint with hash=AAA,n=0 that means it's referring to the first output of the tx with hash AAA
673 2011-03-06 10:32:55 <molecular> what I see in blockexporer as "From Address" when looking at input of a transaction?
674 2011-03-06 10:33:05 <molecular> oh
675 2011-03-06 10:33:06 <molecular> ah
676 2011-03-06 10:33:07 <molecular> ok
677 2011-03-06 10:33:29 <molecular> I wont model it like that in the db
678 2011-03-06 10:34:00 <molecular> I'll just use tables for txin and txout
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683 2011-03-06 10:52:45 <Ratchet> hi. can anybody tell me what bitcoind prints into debug.log if the miner finds a hash?
684 2011-03-06 10:54:51 <ArtForz> BitcoinMiner:
685 2011-03-06 10:54:51 <ArtForz> proof-of-work found
686 2011-03-06 10:54:51 <ArtForz> hash: xxxx...
687 2011-03-06 10:54:51 <ArtForz> target: xxxx...
688 2011-03-06 10:54:51 <ArtForz> CBlock(...
689 2011-03-06 10:55:50 <Ratchet> thx
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694 2011-03-06 11:46:49 <slush> ;;bc,stats
695 2011-03-06 11:46:51 <gribble> Current Blocks: 112242 | Current Difficulty: 55590.23763914 | Next Difficulty At Block: 112895 | Next Difficulty In: 653 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 1 hour, 27 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 74449.23226264
696 2011-03-06 11:48:01 <slush> ;;bc,mtgox
697 2011-03-06 11:48:02 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.9189,"low":0.8111,"vol":16523,"buy":0.8321,"sell":0.8859,"last":0.8861}}
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701 2011-03-06 12:28:00 <sipa> ;;bc,gen 103000
702 2011-03-06 12:28:02 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 103000 Khps, given current difficulty of 55590.23763914 , is 1.86364238759 BTC per day and 0.0776517661496 BTC per hour.
703 2011-03-06 12:28:46 <dissipate> ;;bc,stats
704 2011-03-06 12:28:48 <gribble> Current Blocks: 112253 | Current Difficulty: 55590.23763914 | Next Difficulty At Block: 112895 | Next Difficulty In: 642 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 23 hours, 9 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 74752.44556609
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716 2011-03-06 12:41:18 <sethsethseth> what the heck is wrong with the mtgox live chart
717 2011-03-06 12:41:48 <sethsethseth> http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/x/mtgox/ it doesnt work anymore?
718 2011-03-06 12:42:36 <Aciid> oh excel can live import
719 2011-03-06 12:42:37 <Aciid> great
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723 2011-03-06 12:59:33 <Keefe> sethsethseth: i miss that also. the back-end code that supported that has not been restored since the site moved to a new server. i hear that feed will be back within a couple days
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730 2011-03-06 13:29:16 <Aciid> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/redirection.mspx?mfr=true
731 2011-03-06 13:29:25 <Aciid> to all you whom like excel ^
732 2011-03-06 13:31:50 <sipa> what does that have to do with excel?
733 2011-03-06 13:32:45 <Aciid> log miner data == display awesome graphs
734 2011-03-06 13:36:46 <edcba_> i already knew that 15 years ago
735 2011-03-06 13:37:51 <Aciid> :<
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743 2011-03-06 14:01:03 <Davincij15> I guess only north Americans work on this
744 2011-03-06 14:01:59 <Davincij15> I'll be back l8r
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751 2011-03-06 15:23:42 <devon_hillard> wow, nearing 100GH/s on the slush pool
752 2011-03-06 15:23:50 <devon_hillard> what made the recent surge?
753 2011-03-06 15:24:01 <devon_hillard> is it bitcoin in general, or just slush?
754 2011-03-06 15:24:57 <Blitzboom> bitcoin in general
755 2011-03-06 15:25:01 <Tril> had to be existing slush pool users adding capacity since registration is still closed.
756 2011-03-06 15:25:10 <Blitzboom> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin.png
757 2011-03-06 15:25:17 <Blitzboom> as you can see â¦
758 2011-03-06 15:25:38 <devon_hillard> or people learned to move out of CPU mining
759 2011-03-06 15:26:06 <devon_hillard> the bitcoin.com page does not make these details easier enough
760 2011-03-06 15:26:12 <slush> Tril: yes, users are adding new miners, pool hashrate is still slightly climbing up
761 2011-03-06 15:27:14 <Tril> devon_hilliard: bitcoin.org you mean? bitcoin.com isn't loading for me
762 2011-03-06 15:27:49 <ArtForz> btw, last 100 blocks are back down to ~600Mh/s avg
763 2011-03-06 15:27:55 <ArtForz> *Gh/s
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767 2011-03-06 15:39:58 <devon_hillard> Tril: ah, yes
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769 2011-03-06 15:40:28 <devon_hillard> Tril: perhaps the default client should include a selection of GPU miners
770 2011-03-06 15:40:51 <ArtForz> imo a bad idea
771 2011-03-06 15:40:55 <devon_hillard> and pool support
772 2011-03-06 15:41:04 <devon_hillard> through a GUI
773 2011-03-06 15:41:21 <ArtForz> still a bad idea, I like the idea of gui miner frontends for easier pooled mining though
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775 2011-03-06 15:41:49 <ArtForz> and maybe a list or something on mainpage
776 2011-03-06 15:42:19 <devon_hillard> right now, a non-initiate will come to bitcoin.org, download the program and click 'generate'
777 2011-03-06 15:42:35 <devon_hillard> a few days later, he learns it would take years until he gets his first coins
778 2011-03-06 15:42:39 <ArtForz> yeah
779 2011-03-06 15:42:45 <ArtForz> thats kinda... bad
780 2011-03-06 15:42:52 <devon_hillard> then he learns about gpu mining, but it's too complicated
781 2011-03-06 15:42:54 <devon_hillard> so he gives up
782 2011-03-06 15:42:57 <slush> Diablo-D3: Which variable I have to set to point miner to clc binary?
783 2011-03-06 15:43:02 <devon_hillard> gpu mining and pools
784 2011-03-06 15:43:14 <subpar> ArtForz :: the poclbm GUI makes life easy - good for n00bs
785 2011-03-06 15:43:19 <ArtForz> yea
786 2011-03-06 15:43:30 <Blitzboom> sure, but noobs donât check the forums
787 2011-03-06 15:43:37 <devon_hillard> what does poclbm stand for anyway?
788 2011-03-06 15:43:39 <subpar> this n00b did ;-)
789 2011-03-06 15:43:47 <Blitzboom> most donât
790 2011-03-06 15:43:50 <ArtForz> Python OpenCL Bitcoin Miner
791 2011-03-06 15:43:53 <subpar> python OpenCL bitcoin miner
792 2011-03-06 15:43:55 <slush> ArtForz: Please, do you know the system variable which I need for CLC?
793 2011-03-06 15:44:02 <ArtForz> nope
794 2011-03-06 15:44:11 <ArtForz> I dont have one set
795 2011-03-06 15:45:10 <ArtForz> I just kinda shy away from having something that "dangerous" in mainline
796 2011-03-06 15:46:39 <slush> oh, it is "ATISTREAMSDKROOT"
797 2011-03-06 15:46:54 <ArtForz> iirc you only need that one for compiling though
798 2011-03-06 15:47:02 <tcatm> we could either s/Generate Coins/Work on Blockchain/g or/and move it to the settings window
799 2011-03-06 15:48:13 <ArtForz> plenty systems will NOT handle 100% gpu load 24/7, and the driver chaos isn't exactly helping either
800 2011-03-06 15:48:13 <slush> ArtForz: no, it is needed also for miner (at least for Diablo). Deb package which I use set it properly, but I had to restart the machine
801 2011-03-06 15:48:22 <ArtForz> weird
802 2011-03-06 15:48:49 <slush> We should definitely move CPU mining from client.
803 2011-03-06 15:49:09 <slush> Then we can talk if leave mining just in external tools or include gpu mining instead
804 2011-03-06 15:49:24 <slush> *remove CPU mining from client
805 2011-03-06 15:50:09 <ArtForz> well, or maybe hide it better
806 2011-03-06 15:50:40 <ArtForz> imo having a reference miner is a good thing, though I guess one could cpuminer for that ...
807 2011-03-06 15:51:17 <slush> ok, hide it by default, enable it only with some cmd parameter
808 2011-03-06 15:51:36 <ArtForz> yeah, that was what I was thinking, cmdline/.conf switch
809 2011-03-06 15:51:45 <slush> I think cpu mining only confuse new users
810 2011-03-06 15:52:02 <ArtForz> yea
811 2011-03-06 15:52:10 <slush> "I'm running mining over month, my computer is laggy and I have no single coin"
812 2011-03-06 15:52:18 <ArtForz> or integrate ;;bc,gen into gui ;)
813 2011-03-06 15:52:28 <slush> hehe :)
814 2011-03-06 15:53:05 <Diablo-D3> [10:34:24] <slush> Diablo-D3: Which variable I have to set to point miner to clc binary?
815 2011-03-06 15:53:12 <Diablo-D3> there isnt one.
816 2011-03-06 15:53:32 <slush> Diablo-D3: well, I solved it
817 2011-03-06 15:53:34 <ArtForz> yeah, it should find it automagically, right?
818 2011-03-06 15:53:38 <Diablo-D3> it does
819 2011-03-06 15:53:43 <slush> Diablo-D3: It is needed, but it solve installer itself
820 2011-03-06 15:53:44 <Diablo-D3> all you do is set LD_LIBRARY_PATH
821 2011-03-06 15:54:21 <Diablo-D3> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/ati-stream-sdk-v2.1-lnx64/lib/x86_64/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
822 2011-03-06 15:55:07 <slush> or you can set the variable which I posted before
823 2011-03-06 15:55:09 <slush> both is working
824 2011-03-06 15:55:17 <Diablo-D3> er, no
825 2011-03-06 15:55:23 <Diablo-D3> that variable you posted does nothing.
826 2011-03-06 15:56:06 <slush> maybe. but it works no, so I don't worry ;)
827 2011-03-06 15:56:15 <slush> now
828 2011-03-06 15:56:15 <Diablo-D3> no, it doesnt work
829 2011-03-06 15:56:26 <Diablo-D3> if you dont set mine, no opencl app finds the opencl lib.
830 2011-03-06 15:56:41 <slush> I don't care if it fixed it or no, but MY miner works NOW, so I don't care anymore ;)
831 2011-03-06 15:56:56 * Diablo-D3 hits slush with a cluebat
832 2011-03-06 15:57:35 <ArtForz> btw diablo, fixed the half-dead coolermaster psu
833 2011-03-06 15:58:00 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: oh?
834 2011-03-06 15:58:19 <ArtForz> output inductor had a winding short
835 2011-03-06 15:58:32 <Diablo-D3> ?
836 2011-03-06 15:58:44 <ArtForz> the output inductor for +12 fried
837 2011-03-06 15:58:51 <Diablo-D3> ahh
838 2011-03-06 15:59:11 <ArtForz> short between windings, right under a glob of that yellow glue crap
839 2011-03-06 15:59:54 <ArtForz> well, used to be yellow glue, more like crispy charcoal afterwards
840 2011-03-06 15:59:59 <Diablo-D3> lol\
841 2011-03-06 16:01:23 <ArtForz> core was undamaged, so I rewound it with double-coated enamelled wire and added some kapton tape between core and windings and between windings
842 2011-03-06 16:02:24 <slush> btw I have to confirm that Ubuntu is piece of shit
843 2011-03-06 16:02:47 <slush> Ubuntu (10.10) cannot handle more cards properly. I failed with adding third GPU into ti
844 2011-03-06 16:02:47 <Diablo-D3> slush: yes. yes it is.
845 2011-03-06 16:03:01 <Diablo-D3> there is something absolutely fucking wrong with that distro
846 2011-03-06 16:03:05 <slush> aticonfig see everything in Ubuntu, but cards are not active
847 2011-03-06 16:03:11 <slush> reinstalling to Squeeze helped
848 2011-03-06 16:03:28 <slush> so for future miners - don't use ubuntu!
849 2011-03-06 16:03:35 <slush> you'll save your nerves
850 2011-03-06 16:03:40 <ArtForz> running on the load tester @ 80% load, output voltage/ripple is ok, got a temp probe attached to that inductor, temps are somewhat high but nowhere near "damages enameled wire insulation" high
851 2011-03-06 16:03:42 <magnetron> slush: please submit your success story to #debian
852 2011-03-06 16:03:51 <slush> hehe :)
853 2011-03-06 16:04:24 <ArtForz> ~110°C
854 2011-03-06 16:04:52 <ArtForz> and I wasnt even close to 80% load when it blew up
855 2011-03-06 16:05:26 <ArtForz> so... why the fuck did it die
856 2011-03-06 16:05:56 <ArtForz> only see 2 possibilities, either that glue acted as a thermal insulator and caused a local hotspot
857 2011-03-06 16:06:06 <subpar> 110C - :eek:
858 2011-03-06 16:06:07 <ArtForz> well, 3 possiblilities
859 2011-03-06 16:06:59 <ArtForz> b) different coefficient of expansion between glue/enamel/wire caused it to more-or-less rip the enamel off the wire
860 2011-03-06 16:07:18 <ArtForz> c) fuckwads at factory damaged the insulation while applying glue
861 2011-03-06 16:07:36 <ArtForz> subpar: erm... thats not THAT hot for a iron powder inductor
862 2011-03-06 16:07:56 <subpar> ArtForz:: missed that part - back to lurking
863 2011-03-06 16:08:02 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: fuckwd theory is sounding good
864 2011-03-06 16:08:33 <ArtForz> yep, when in doubt, blame chinese workers ;)
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867 2011-03-06 16:10:05 <slush> [Tycho]: How many bitcoind are you running currently?
868 2011-03-06 16:10:34 <ArtForz> iirc core loss in powder core inductors goes *down* with increasing temp
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871 2011-03-06 16:11:58 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: what
872 2011-03-06 16:12:03 <ArtForz> yea
873 2011-03-06 16:12:32 <Diablo-D3> thats bizzaro
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881 2011-03-06 16:21:12 <slush> sipa: I added link to your nice graphs to wiki page about difficulty. Is that OK?
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883 2011-03-06 16:26:18 <mortalis> Morning
884 2011-03-06 16:27:11 JackRabiit has joined
885 2011-03-06 16:28:15 <JackRabiit> Hello!, is there a way to tell Deepbit.net to send me a payment or do i Have to use the auto payment, and as such, how often does it autosend, i've been waiting for 1hr past my auto payout limit
886 2011-03-06 16:28:40 <JackRabiit> wow Tycho when are you Not here? :D
887 2011-03-06 16:30:00 slush has joined
888 2011-03-06 16:30:08 <JackRabiit> HI SLUSH!
889 2011-03-06 16:30:16 <JackRabiit> Oh My! it's really you!
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891 2011-03-06 16:30:20 <JackRabiit> the legendary slush!
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893 2011-03-06 16:30:34 <slush> lol :)
894 2011-03-06 16:30:43 <Spenvo> slush!
895 2011-03-06 16:30:46 <JackRabiit> Slush i have many questions!
896 2011-03-06 16:30:53 <Spenvo> guys, i have awesome news
897 2011-03-06 16:30:57 <JackRabiit> is there a way to tell Deepbit.net to send me a payment or do i Have to use the auto payment, and as such, how often does it autosend, i've been waiting for 1hr past my auto payout limit
898 2011-03-06 16:30:59 <[Noodles]> deepbit currently pays out once daily, afaik
899 2011-03-06 16:31:02 <JackRabiit> whats that Spenvo?
900 2011-03-06 16:31:21 <Spenvo> bitcoin is going to get talked about on this week in law with denise howell!!!!!
901 2011-03-06 16:31:36 <Spenvo> It's like this week in security, only about law
902 2011-03-06 16:31:49 <Spenvo> i got ahold of denise on twitter!
903 2011-03-06 16:31:52 <slush> JackRabiit: ask [Tycho] instead :)
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905 2011-03-06 16:32:00 <JackRabiit> did
906 2011-03-06 16:32:12 <Spenvo> so tell people to tune in, lots of people will be listening
907 2011-03-06 16:32:31 <JackRabiit> Slush ty, gotta response
908 2011-03-06 16:32:48 <JackRabiit> Slush are you on of the leaders in the mining.bitcoin.cz pool?
909 2011-03-06 16:32:55 <JackRabiit> one*
910 2011-03-06 16:33:10 <slush> JackRabiit: yes, I'm mining.bitcoin.cz operator
911 2011-03-06 16:33:20 <JackRabiit> Beautiful!
912 2011-03-06 16:33:41 <JackRabiit> is thier any projected date as to weather or not/when registrations may open
913 2011-03-06 16:33:42 <JackRabiit> ?
914 2011-03-06 16:33:45 <slush> Spenvo: interesting. I'm curious how many she know about bitcoin :)
915 2011-03-06 16:33:55 <slush> JackRabiit: no :)
916 2011-03-06 16:34:01 <JackRabiit> :D
917 2011-03-06 16:34:21 <mortalis> Hey slush, out of curiosity, when are you thinking of re-opening registration?
918 2011-03-06 16:34:29 <JackRabiit> i asked that
919 2011-03-06 16:34:35 <mortalis> oh
920 2011-03-06 16:34:36 <mortalis> lol
921 2011-03-06 16:34:37 <JackRabiit> he said he doesnt think
922 2011-03-06 16:34:39 <Spenvo> steve gibson (another twit podcast show) covered it a few weeks ago and I tweeted her: @DHowell Consider looking at Bitcoin, the crypto currency, on TWiL. Steve Gibson covered it on Security Now 287. www.bitcoin.org
923 2011-03-06 16:34:40 <mortalis> You just did haha
924 2011-03-06 16:34:53 * mortalis needs coffee
925 2011-03-06 16:34:56 <Diablo-D3> heh
926 2011-03-06 16:35:02 * JackRabiit tests a function
927 2011-03-06 16:35:30 <slush> Currently there is plenty of free capacity now, but I'm planning to disconnect some of backends for testing of new version
928 2011-03-06 16:35:43 <slush> So that's the reason why I didn't open registraton again
929 2011-03-06 16:35:52 <JackRabiit> oooo real news!
930 2011-03-06 16:35:56 <mortalis> I see I see, makes sense
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934 2011-03-06 16:36:30 <Blitzboom> when will that be, Spenvo?
935 2011-03-06 16:36:33 <JackRabiit> i've got 220Mhash/secs of power and i want in teh pool! whatcha think slush? fast? average? could be better?
936 2011-03-06 16:36:41 <Blitzboom> this week in law
937 2011-03-06 16:36:47 <Blitzboom> monday?
938 2011-03-06 16:36:47 <Diablo-D3> ye gods
939 2011-03-06 16:36:51 <Diablo-D3> theres a witcoin identica group?
940 2011-03-06 16:37:00 <slush> JackRabiit: 220Mhash is fine, it is above current average on the pool
941 2011-03-06 16:37:06 <JackRabiit> woohoo!
942 2011-03-06 16:37:08 <slush> average is around 100Mhash/s
943 2011-03-06 16:37:10 <Diablo-D3> http://ur1.ca/3b8l1
944 2011-03-06 16:37:12 <JackRabiit> YUMMY!
945 2011-03-06 16:37:18 <Diablo-D3> that steve gibson shit
946 2011-03-06 16:37:33 <Spenvo> this friday: http://twit.tv/twil101
947 2011-03-06 16:37:51 <JackRabiit> Slush you probly get this alot but do you ever hand out personal invitations to register?
948 2011-03-06 16:38:14 <Spenvo> the show will probably bore everybody to death, but thousands of lawyers listen in
949 2011-03-06 16:38:17 <Blitzboom> ok, thanks
950 2011-03-06 16:38:29 <JackRabiit> I really dont like being in the Deepbit pool, because i havent a clue where the coins are coming from
951 2011-03-06 16:38:31 <Diablo-D3> https://identi.ca/group/bc
952 2011-03-06 16:38:43 <Diablo-D3> more people need to join that
953 2011-03-06 16:38:53 <slush> JackRabiit: what do you mean?
954 2011-03-06 16:39:08 <slush> JackRabiit: DeepBit currently works in the same principe as my pool
955 2011-03-06 16:39:24 <JackRabiit> Okay,
956 2011-03-06 16:39:32 <JackRabiit> but ur pool is better!
957 2011-03-06 16:39:39 <JackRabiit> teehee
958 2011-03-06 16:39:41 <Spenvo> g2g find my car, cya
959 2011-03-06 16:39:49 <JackRabiit> DUDE WHERES MY CAR?
960 2011-03-06 16:39:57 <JackRabiit> i dunno dude wheres your car?
961 2011-03-06 16:40:06 <Spenvo> right, all i know is i woke up in a bookstore this morning
962 2011-03-06 16:40:11 <Diablo-D3> and
963 2011-03-06 16:40:11 <slush> JackRabiit: Thanks, and I'm working on next improvements :)
964 2011-03-06 16:40:13 <Diablo-D3> my pool is better
965 2011-03-06 16:40:16 <Diablo-D3> and its not even done yet
966 2011-03-06 16:40:30 <JackRabiit> D3 your sounding like a troll
967 2011-03-06 16:40:51 <slush> Diablo-D3 isn't troll, but he has very specific humour
968 2011-03-06 16:40:55 <slush> ;)
969 2011-03-06 16:41:01 <Diablo-D3> JackRabiit: except Im actually writing pool software
970 2011-03-06 16:41:06 <JackRabiit> i know he's not one, jus sayin
971 2011-03-06 16:41:31 <JackRabiit> I know whom you are Diablo-D3 you have your own proggy, i disliked it an used poclbm-gui
972 2011-03-06 16:41:42 <JackRabiit> no offense intended
973 2011-03-06 16:41:55 <[Noodles]> "but ur pool is better!" sounds like trolling too, just sayin', especially if you never have been connected to it
974 2011-03-06 16:42:04 <JackRabiit> ^
975 2011-03-06 16:42:14 <JackRabiit> lol
976 2011-03-06 16:42:16 <Diablo-D3> JackRabiit: so basically, you chose a slower miner because you're nuts.
977 2011-03-06 16:42:16 <JackRabiit> yeah..........
978 2011-03-06 16:42:31 <JackRabiit> How isit that you Know it's slower?
979 2011-03-06 16:42:38 <nanotube> JackRabiit: try also the bitpenny pool.
980 2011-03-06 16:42:55 <Diablo-D3> because I wrote mine to be faster.
981 2011-03-06 16:43:34 <slush> every time I disconnect my miners, pool found many block in the row
982 2011-03-06 16:43:53 <Blitzboom> disconnect your miners!
983 2011-03-06 16:43:56 <JackRabiit> but i wanna join slush's cawse he's acute and.... i dont really know, but his pool draws my attention alot. for some reason i assume thier is a higher amout of BTC's total in the pool to scramble for
984 2011-03-06 16:44:05 <slush> Blitzboom: :-D
985 2011-03-06 16:44:12 <Diablo-D3> Im not sure if slush's pool is the answer
986 2011-03-06 16:44:17 <Diablo-D3> and Im pretty sure bitpenny isnt.
987 2011-03-06 16:44:21 <JackRabiit> yeah
988 2011-03-06 16:44:24 <JackRabiit> def not bitpenny
989 2011-03-06 16:44:29 <JackRabiit> Deepbit seems to be the one
990 2011-03-06 16:44:43 <Diablo-D3> who runs deepbit?
991 2011-03-06 16:44:44 <subpar> I am on deepbit as I was too late to join slush
992 2011-03-06 16:44:45 <nanotube> JackRabiit: you seem to misunderstand how pools work, if you say things like "btcs in the pool to scramble for"
993 2011-03-06 16:44:52 <subpar> [Tycho] runs deepbit
994 2011-03-06 16:45:11 <Diablo-D3> well maybe I can get [Tycho] to take his down and switch to mine when I get mine up
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996 2011-03-06 16:45:36 <JackRabiit> I do misundetstand how pools work. to my knowledge, 50BTC's get tossed in randomly and the pool gets a proportional amout of those coins
997 2011-03-06 16:45:56 <JackRabiit> although i am incorrect about the random part and the 50 BTCpart
998 2011-03-06 16:45:56 <Diablo-D3> JackRabiit: not randomly, one of the miners for the pool produced it
999 2011-03-06 16:46:15 <subpar> [Tycho] snd slush have had some fun discussions on the forums. IIRC [Tycho] mines for slush as well (or did)
1000 2011-03-06 16:46:43 <subpar> snd/and
1001 2011-03-06 16:46:49 <JackRabiit> So someone is activly throwing away 50BTC's? or is thier like one mysterious miner millionair thats funding everything, i Really do not understand where the coins are coming from
1002 2011-03-06 16:46:58 <nanotube> ;;bc,wiki pooled mining
1003 2011-03-06 16:46:59 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Pooled_mining | Pooled mining is an approach where multiple generating clients contribute to the generation of a block, and then split the block reward according the ...
1004 2011-03-06 16:47:02 <nanotube> JackRabiit: --^ read that
1005 2011-03-06 16:47:07 <Diablo-D3> JackRabiit: you do understand how normal mining works, right?
1006 2011-03-06 16:47:21 * subpar needs to learn the bot commands
1007 2011-03-06 16:47:23 <nanotube> see also ,,(bc,wiki how bitcoin works)
1008 2011-03-06 16:47:23 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/How_bitcoin_works | http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2487.0 A forum thread with some good 'for-the-layperson' explanations of how bitcoin works. ...
1009 2011-03-06 16:47:26 <bitbot> i want to understand Connection refused.
1010 2011-03-06 16:47:28 <nanotube> Diablo-D3: clearly he does not. :)
1011 2011-03-06 16:47:34 <Diablo-D3> nanotube: apparently not
1012 2011-03-06 16:47:36 <nanotube> subpar: see ,,(bc,wiki gribble)
1013 2011-03-06 16:47:37 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Gribble | Feb 17, 2011 ... gribble is a modified Supybot IRC bot, carrying some useful bitcoin-related commands and factoids. The bot's command sequence is ';;' ...
1014 2011-03-06 16:47:37 <JackRabiit> yar
1015 2011-03-06 16:47:41 <JackRabiit> i do not apparently
1016 2011-03-06 16:47:57 <subpar> nanotube: cheers for that
1017 2011-03-06 16:48:04 <nanotube> subpar: :)
1018 2011-03-06 16:48:26 <Diablo-D3> basically, the pool server hands miners data to mine
1019 2011-03-06 16:49:04 <Diablo-D3> if one of them produces a valid block, they cant send it in themselves because they dont have the actual full block
1020 2011-03-06 16:49:06 <Diablo-D3> just the header
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1022 2011-03-06 16:55:13 <Tril> Jackrabbit: the miner creates 50 bitcoins out of thin air. If the block includes a hash matching the current difficulty, the rest of the network accepts the coins.
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1024 2011-03-06 16:56:57 <Tril> the trick about pools is the workers are creating 50 bitcoins to be credited to the pool manager. so the pool manager pays them for their time by verifying hashes matching a _lower_ difficulty- which proves they were doing hashing for the pool (trying to make a real block)
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1029 2011-03-06 16:58:08 <Tril> it can scale to sub-pools too, although I haven't seen one so far :)
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1036 2011-03-06 17:03:45 <[Noodles]> compute4cash might just be a sub-pool, or bitpenny too, who could tell?
1037 2011-03-06 17:04:04 <ArtForz> pools all the way down?
1038 2011-03-06 17:04:10 <[Noodles]> :D
1039 2011-03-06 17:04:20 <[Noodles]> nah, that was turtles
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1041 2011-03-06 17:05:41 <ArtForz> right.
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1046 2011-03-06 17:14:36 <JackRabiit> Hi everyone again! especially slush cause im heavily drawn to him for some mysterious reason, ANYHOW, i finally understand the full workings of the pools except for one part: these pools.... They generate 50bitcoins outta thin air and then we hash it all out.... How can we increse the rate at wich the pool can generate coins, to my understanding wich is most likely wrong, rougly every 10mins 50 coins get gen'd into the net, a
1047 2011-03-06 17:15:00 <JackRabiit> What is despensing these 50 coins
1048 2011-03-06 17:15:57 <subpar> "The System"
1049 2011-03-06 17:16:02 <lfm> JackRabiit: well thats the magic of bitcoin.
1050 2011-03-06 17:16:03 <JackRabiit> do these 50coins come in one block in wich the pool argue and get an equally random chance to claim the bulk amount
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1052 2011-03-06 17:16:20 <JackRabiit> or is it divide between pools
1053 2011-03-06 17:16:40 <JackRabiit> lol "the system" and "thats the magic of bitcoin" what great responses lol
1054 2011-03-06 17:16:45 <lfm> the hashes you are computing for the pool are actually kinda like lottery tickets and you are looking for a winner
1055 2011-03-06 17:16:53 <JackRabiit> Yes
1056 2011-03-06 17:16:56 <JackRabiit> keep going
1057 2011-03-06 17:17:19 <subpar> did you read the 9 or so page pdf on the website?
1058 2011-03-06 17:17:22 <lfm> its only a 10 min average, it coud be much more or much les
1059 2011-03-06 17:17:32 <JackRabiit> pdf? Crap.
1060 2011-03-06 17:17:33 <lfm> less
1061 2011-03-06 17:17:59 <subpar> http://www.bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
1062 2011-03-06 17:18:19 <JackRabiit> thanks for teh link
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1064 2011-03-06 17:18:28 <subpar> it isn't light reading...
1065 2011-03-06 17:19:05 <JackRabiit> Okay so one "system" we'll call it dispenses 50BTC's and the pool's are in lottery for the bulk 50? wich then get split up?
1066 2011-03-06 17:19:21 <subpar> yep - basically
1067 2011-03-06 17:20:09 <subpar> to "the system" a pool is no different than an individual user running bitcoin themselves
1068 2011-03-06 17:20:11 <JackRabiit> And this lottery... what determines the odds? #of people = chance for 1 guy/pool
1069 2011-03-06 17:20:22 <JackRabiit> Wow
1070 2011-03-06 17:20:24 <JackRabiit> okay so
1071 2011-03-06 17:20:27 <JackRabiit> then if i solo mine
1072 2011-03-06 17:20:38 <JackRabiit> i have a chance to Magically luck out and get 50BTC's?
1073 2011-03-06 17:20:42 <subpar> yes
1074 2011-03-06 17:21:00 <subpar> http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php
1075 2011-03-06 17:21:03 <JackRabiit> Lol? and the odds of getting that are depicted by the Difficulty?
1076 2011-03-06 17:21:18 <subpar> look here and enter your hash rate (note it is in khps and NOT mhps)
1077 2011-03-06 17:21:25 <JackRabiit> Wow you are just full of usefull info subpar!!
1078 2011-03-06 17:21:42 <sethsethseth> i just "lucked out" overnight, love it when that happens. pass go and collect $50
1079 2011-03-06 17:21:52 <subpar> yes - as difficulty increases the average time to generate a block (50 BTC) increases
1080 2011-03-06 17:21:53 <JackRabiit> 220Mhps=220000khps?
1081 2011-03-06 17:22:16 <subpar> JackRabiit: I am not sure if it is 1000 or 1024 - believe 1000
1082 2011-03-06 17:22:27 <JackRabiit> Huh?
1083 2011-03-06 17:22:32 <JackRabiit> oh
1084 2011-03-06 17:22:34 <JackRabiit> OH
1085 2011-03-06 17:22:42 <subpar> Kilo / Mega for storage is /1024
1086 2011-03-06 17:22:49 <subpar> Most else is base 1000
1087 2011-03-06 17:22:51 <JackRabiit> Yar
1088 2011-03-06 17:23:15 <ArtForz> anything/s is usually 1000 by tradition
1089 2011-03-06 17:23:35 <subpar> ArtForz: thanks for setting me (us) straight
1090 2011-03-06 17:24:17 <subpar> JackRabiit: so you see an average of 12d13h28m for your hash rate
1091 2011-03-06 17:24:43 <ArtForz> and thanks to HD marketing weasels 1024 for storage is also going the way of the dodo ...
1092 2011-03-06 17:24:49 <subpar> great luck (50%) is 8 days and bad luck (95%) is 37 days
1093 2011-03-06 17:25:11 <subpar> ArtForz: ahh - I see
1094 2011-03-06 17:25:59 <subpar> put in the current hashrate of deepbit or slush's pool and you see the time drops substantially
1095 2011-03-06 17:27:16 <ArtForz> though award for most fucked up size goes to the 1.44MB floppy... 1.44 * 1000 * 1024 bytes ...
1096 2011-03-06 17:27:57 <JackRabiit> Yeah....so Subpar it would seem like pool mining would be a better choice for me?
1097 2011-03-06 17:28:54 <sethsethseth> dude what is wrong with the mtgox live chart http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/x/mtgox/
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1099 2011-03-06 17:29:00 <sethsethseth> where can i see all the orders
1100 2011-03-06 17:29:20 <subpar> JackRabiit: Pools take a fee so that gets factored in...
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1102 2011-03-06 17:29:36 <JackRabiit> wow th i just d/c'd
1103 2011-03-06 17:29:40 <subpar> 3% for deepbit and 2% for slush
1104 2011-03-06 17:29:44 <subpar> JackRabiit: Pools take a fee so that gets factored in...
1105 2011-03-06 17:29:52 <subpar> missed that when you d/c
1106 2011-03-06 17:30:27 * Diablo-D3 would take no fee.
1107 2011-03-06 17:30:50 <subpar> it is reaching the point - especially when you have a 95% number out almost 40 days that the difficulty can increase 2 or 3 times in that timeframe
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1109 2011-03-06 17:31:21 <JackRabiit> One last question: if http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php is correct, and a group pool gets id'd as One guy, then doesnt that mean that the <50 Ghash pool's will have a higher chance to grab the 50? and therefore we should all join the dastest pool?
1110 2011-03-06 17:31:26 <subpar> Diablo-D3: I have nothing aginst fees - what is the "return" for you then if no fees?
1111 2011-03-06 17:31:46 <JackRabiit> i argee with subpar
1112 2011-03-06 17:31:54 <ArtForz> he still has to figure out 2. ??? ;)
1113 2011-03-06 17:32:04 <Diablo-D3> JackRabiit: yes, but you dont want any single pool over 50% of the total computational power
1114 2011-03-06 17:32:18 <Diablo-D3> so we need basically two pools.
1115 2011-03-06 17:32:29 <Diablo-D3> neither being over 50% of the computational power.
1116 2011-03-06 17:32:30 <ArtForz> 3
1117 2011-03-06 17:32:31 <JackRabiit> but thiers 3/4?
1118 2011-03-06 17:32:36 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: 2.
1119 2011-03-06 17:32:48 <ArtForz> 2 is waay to close if one starts cheating
1120 2011-03-06 17:32:49 <subpar> ArtForz: I operate under the assumption that most everyone is a greedy capitalist pig (self included)
1121 2011-03-06 17:32:51 <Diablo-D3> subpar: I wrote a miner, theres no return on that
1122 2011-03-06 17:32:53 <JackRabiit> 2=optimal 3=current 4=wtf another one?
1123 2011-03-06 17:33:06 <Diablo-D3> JackRabiit: well, when Im done, it'll be wtf another one
1124 2011-03-06 17:33:07 <subpar> Diablo-D3: "Street Cred" is the return
1125 2011-03-06 17:33:15 <Diablo-D3> subpar: I have street cred in spades, dude
1126 2011-03-06 17:33:30 <subpar> Otherwise you would have made a one time anonymous post
1127 2011-03-06 17:33:52 <Diablo-D3> anonymous cant hold copyrights, dude.
1128 2011-03-06 17:34:14 <subpar> OK - so what was the motivation then?
1129 2011-03-06 17:34:22 <Diablo-D3> there isnt one.
1130 2011-03-06 17:34:26 <subpar> we all do things based on some type of motivation, no?
1131 2011-03-06 17:34:28 <Aciid> turn off your radiators for the winter. run a mining rig (Y)
1132 2011-03-06 17:34:39 <JackRabiit> ^ lol
1133 2011-03-06 17:34:57 <Diablo-D3> subpar: I felt like it
1134 2011-03-06 17:34:59 <Diablo-D3> that, and m0's sucks
1135 2011-03-06 17:35:10 <subpar> Diablo-D3: I still need to try your miners BTW ;-)
1136 2011-03-06 17:35:50 <JackRabiit> D3 you cant just say that poclbm-gui sucks, i'd say it's #1 right now
1137 2011-03-06 17:35:59 <subpar> but the gui w/ poclbm is very simple...
1138 2011-03-06 17:36:02 <JackRabiit> i've tried all but yours
1139 2011-03-06 17:36:09 * subpar too
1140 2011-03-06 17:36:12 <JackRabiit> simple is good no?
1141 2011-03-06 17:36:18 <subpar> not always
1142 2011-03-06 17:36:21 <JackRabiit> true
1143 2011-03-06 17:36:24 <subpar> simple is simple
1144 2011-03-06 17:36:29 <JackRabiit> Agreed
1145 2011-03-06 17:36:31 <JackRabiit> Fully
1146 2011-03-06 17:36:56 <subpar> off to go read the Diablo miner thread to figure how to get it working
1147 2011-03-06 17:37:02 <Diablo-D3> why would anyone need a gui?
1148 2011-03-06 17:37:03 <Diablo-D3> it mines.
1149 2011-03-06 17:37:06 <JackRabiit> but im not expeiancing any defficites so ergo the simplicity is not a issue....
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1151 2011-03-06 17:37:17 <JackRabiit> GUI=for lazy people
1152 2011-03-06 17:37:20 <Diablo-D3> JackRabiit: and no, I suspect more people use my miner
1153 2011-03-06 17:37:24 * subpar wnts no command line
1154 2011-03-06 17:37:33 <Diablo-D3> how is it for lazy people?
1155 2011-03-06 17:37:37 <Diablo-D3> you set three fucking things
1156 2011-03-06 17:37:47 <JackRabiit> In cmd promts
1157 2011-03-06 17:37:52 <JackRabiit> verses clikc 3 things
1158 2011-03-06 17:37:59 <Diablo-D3> no, you cant click those 3 things
1159 2011-03-06 17:38:04 <Diablo-D3> you STILL have to type them
1160 2011-03-06 17:38:20 <Diablo-D3> username, password, host address.
1161 2011-03-06 17:38:34 <JackRabiit> Oh w/e meng you know nobody likes using CMD unless they liked Linux or are smart enough to code their own sheet
1162 2011-03-06 17:39:02 <Diablo-D3> Jack, no offense, but not everyone is a fucking dumbass.
1163 2011-03-06 17:39:07 <subpar> I am fine with command line in linux as I run headless servers - but windows (where I mine) I want point/click
1164 2011-03-06 17:39:08 <JackRabiit> Teehee
1165 2011-03-06 17:39:19 <Diablo-D3> subpar: yeah, but you still gotta type in the shit
1166 2011-03-06 17:39:22 <Diablo-D3> its the same shit.
1167 2011-03-06 17:39:28 <subpar> one time and it is saved
1168 2011-03-06 17:39:35 <JackRabiit> ^
1169 2011-03-06 17:39:40 <Diablo-D3> I never close this terminal
1170 2011-03-06 17:39:45 <JackRabiit> thats you
1171 2011-03-06 17:39:46 <subpar> yes I can make a .bat file
1172 2011-03-06 17:39:47 <JackRabiit> not everyone else
1173 2011-03-06 17:39:55 <subpar> I get that Diablo-D3
1174 2011-03-06 17:40:08 <Aciid> I use batch files
1175 2011-03-06 17:40:09 <Diablo-D3> oh, and slush needs to output URLs
1176 2011-03-06 17:40:17 <Diablo-D3> because my client supports --url now
1177 2011-03-06 17:40:22 <JackRabiit> THREAD DERAILER WATCH OUT
1178 2011-03-06 17:40:29 <slush> which URL?
1179 2011-03-06 17:40:32 <Diablo-D3> so thats ONE thing you have to type in
1180 2011-03-06 17:40:35 <Diablo-D3> slush: miner url
1181 2011-03-06 17:40:44 <Aciid> *CHOOCHOO*
1182 2011-03-06 17:40:54 <Aciid> how do you like kittens?
1183 2011-03-06 17:40:58 <Diablo-D3> http://Diablo-D3.infinity:fuckyou@mining.bitcoin.cz:8332
1184 2011-03-06 17:41:00 <Diablo-D3> like that.
1185 2011-03-06 17:41:12 <slush> hm, no problem, pool will accept that
1186 2011-03-06 17:41:25 <Diablo-D3> yes, but your web doesnt output it automagically
1187 2011-03-06 17:41:26 <JackRabiit> i like them asleep
1188 2011-03-06 17:41:29 <Diablo-D3> so people cant just copypasta
1189 2011-03-06 17:41:34 <slush> oh so
1190 2011-03-06 17:41:42 <JackRabiit> slush woke up!
1191 2011-03-06 17:41:45 <slush> well, all current users know the correct form :)
1192 2011-03-06 17:41:53 <slush> And I'll make it for new verson
1193 2011-03-06 17:41:56 <Diablo-D3> slush: yeah, but JackRabiit is arguing everyones a lazy slob
1194 2011-03-06 17:42:07 <JackRabiit> What?! i am not!
1195 2011-03-06 17:42:11 <JackRabiit> dont put words in my mouth!
1196 2011-03-06 17:42:19 <Diablo-D3> oh, and Im _pretty_ sure https should work fine with my client
1197 2011-03-06 17:43:05 <slush> https - no, thans
1198 2011-03-06 17:43:06 <slush> thanks
1199 2011-03-06 17:43:08 <slush> any reason why?
1200 2011-03-06 17:43:14 <JackRabiit> hehehehh
1201 2011-03-06 17:43:18 <Diablo-D3> Im just saying, it should work
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1204 2011-03-06 17:44:05 <lfm> https would be extra overhead especially on the server
1205 2011-03-06 17:44:17 <JackRabiit> ^
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1209 2011-03-06 17:45:14 <ThomasV> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin_Map
1210 2011-03-06 17:45:30 <ThomasV> what is the peak at 20k nodes ?
1211 2011-03-06 17:45:51 <ThomasV> botnet attack ? noise in the measure ?
1212 2011-03-06 17:46:05 <cosurgi> http://www.google.com/trends?q=bitcoin%2C+knoppix&ctab=0&geo=all&date=ytd&sort=1
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1217 2011-03-06 17:47:17 <slush> ArtForz: Any idea why miner works with 1x5970+3x5870 and does not work with 4x5970?
1218 2011-03-06 17:47:35 <slush> ArtForz: I set up running system, then just replaced the cards and X freezed, again
1219 2011-03-06 17:47:59 <Diablo-D3> 5 but not 8? weird
1220 2011-03-06 17:48:08 <Diablo-D3> should work fine.
1221 2011-03-06 17:48:12 <slush> hm. And it's Debian, not ubuntu
1222 2011-03-06 17:48:22 <slush> aticonfig see everything
1223 2011-03-06 17:48:27 <Diablo-D3> slush: did you forget to aticonfig --initial --devices=all ?
1224 2011-03-06 17:48:38 <Diablo-D3> err --adapter=akk
1225 2011-03-06 17:48:40 <Diablo-D3> err --adapter=all
1226 2011-03-06 17:48:41 <ArtForz> dont forget the -f
1227 2011-03-06 17:48:42 <lfm> try 6 and 7?
1228 2011-03-06 17:48:46 <slush> aticonfig --initial --adapter=all --force
1229 2011-03-06 17:48:46 <slush> aticonfig --adapter=all --cfd
1230 2011-03-06 17:48:46 <slush> X :0 -ac&
1231 2011-03-06 17:48:48 <Diablo-D3> yeah and the -f
1232 2011-03-06 17:49:02 <Diablo-D3> slush: --cfd does nothing :D
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1234 2011-03-06 17:49:39 <slush> really? I though it removes crossfire
1235 2011-03-06 17:50:00 <Diablo-D3> no, the config removed it
1236 2011-03-06 17:50:03 <ArtForz> anyways, if aticonfig sees them but they dont show up in clinfo, that usually means it's a X config problem
1237 2011-03-06 17:50:21 <ArtForz> either crossfire crap or bad xorg conf
1238 2011-03-06 17:50:22 <slush> after starting X, I see:
1239 2011-03-06 17:50:24 <slush> (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0@19:0:1) found
1240 2011-03-06 17:50:24 <slush> (EE) fglrx(0): PPLIB: PP_Initialize() failed.
1241 2011-03-06 17:50:41 <slush> many lines of those
1242 2011-03-06 17:50:45 <subpar> java crashed...
1243 2011-03-06 17:50:48 <subpar> hrm
1244 2011-03-06 17:50:57 <subpar> maybe it doesn't work with 64 bit?
1245 2011-03-06 17:51:23 <ArtForz> slush: the "no matching device" should list all PCI devices *not* listed as graphics adapters in xorg.conf
1246 2011-03-06 17:51:55 <slush> oh
1247 2011-03-06 17:52:01 <slush> but wtf it freeze then
1248 2011-03-06 17:52:14 <ArtForz> on x start or when youi start miner?
1249 2011-03-06 17:52:22 <ArtForz> on x start -> usually bad xorg.conf
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1252 2011-03-06 17:53:24 <ArtForz> on miner start -> usually crossfire, sometimes bad xorg.conf or power supply problems
1253 2011-03-06 17:53:28 <slush> on x start
1254 2011-03-06 17:53:35 <slush> and xorg looks "normal"
1255 2011-03-06 17:53:43 <slush> xorg.conf
1256 2011-03-06 17:53:45 <ArtForz> yeah, compare PCI IDs listed in corg.xonf with those reported by aticonfig --lsa
1257 2011-03-06 17:53:47 <subpar> Diablo-D3: need 32bit Java in windows?
1258 2011-03-06 17:53:53 <ArtForz> *xorg.conf
1259 2011-03-06 17:56:28 <subpar> oh well - java crashed when running Diablo - back to poclbm for now
1260 2011-03-06 17:57:38 <slush> ok, two 5970 works fine
1261 2011-03-06 17:57:47 <Diablo-D3> subpar: no, works fine with 32 and 64
1262 2011-03-06 17:57:59 <Diablo-D3> subpar: and I doubt it crashed at all
1263 2011-03-06 17:58:12 <subpar> Diablo-D3: might be a driver/stream issue then?
1264 2011-03-06 17:58:28 <subpar> on 6950 w/ 11.2 and 2.3
1265 2011-03-06 17:58:47 <subpar> I need 2.3 for the 6xxx as I understand
1266 2011-03-06 17:58:52 <ArtForz> yea
1267 2011-03-06 17:59:04 <ArtForz> currently with 69xx you're kinda SOL
1268 2011-03-06 17:59:26 <subpar> just had a 5770 with 2.2 and 10.11 and was very happy
1269 2011-03-06 17:59:26 <ArtForz> hopefully 2.4 will fix shit, but knowing ATI ...
1270 2011-03-06 17:59:36 <JunK-Y> subpar: whats the speed of ur 6950?
1271 2011-03-06 17:59:40 * subpar grumbles
1272 2011-03-06 17:59:50 <sipa> slush: sure
1273 2011-03-06 17:59:59 <subpar> JunK-Y: I did the shader unlock and at 890 core I am at 340Mhash
1274 2011-03-06 18:00:22 <subpar> using pocblm with -v -w128 -f10
1275 2011-03-06 18:00:24 <ArtForz> yeah, not too great :/
1276 2011-03-06 18:00:56 <subpar> yep - just underperforms the 5870
1277 2011-03-06 18:01:13 <JunK-Y> subpar: i didnt unlock them, maybe next week-end.
1278 2011-03-06 18:01:14 <subpar> unlocking th shaders got me another 30 Mhash
1279 2011-03-06 18:01:39 <ArtForz> thats my experience too, 6970 = slightly worse than 5870 at same clock
1280 2011-03-06 18:01:44 * subpar suggests the shader unlock and not the ful 6970 bios (as the "early adopters" did)
1281 2011-03-06 18:01:52 <ArtForz> yeah
1282 2011-03-06 18:02:03 <ArtForz> problem is, full bios runs 6950 at 6970 voltages
1283 2011-03-06 18:02:16 <ArtForz> and 6950 has weaker VRMs
1284 2011-03-06 18:02:18 <subpar> and I heard tighter memory timings as well
1285 2011-03-06 18:02:23 <ArtForz> that, too
1286 2011-03-06 18:02:30 <ArtForz> and iirc diff mem chip binning
1287 2011-03-06 18:02:37 <JunK-Y> i thought the shader unlock was the full bios unlock.
1288 2011-03-06 18:02:39 <subpar> makes sense...
1289 2011-03-06 18:03:01 <subpar> JunK-Y: no - the shader unlock is just that -- shaders only
1290 2011-03-06 18:03:01 <Diablo-D3> [12:49:38] <subpar> Diablo-D3: might be a driver/stream issue then?
1291 2011-03-06 18:03:03 <Diablo-D3> paste the error.
1292 2011-03-06 18:03:13 <ArtForz> iirc 6950 has 5GHz rated mem chips, 6970 has 6GHz rated
1293 2011-03-06 18:03:16 <JunK-Y> subpar: i'll have to read a bit more then.
1294 2011-03-06 18:03:27 <slush> 3 cards are running...
1295 2011-03-06 18:03:30 <subpar> java crashes in win7 - nothing in the command prompt
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1297 2011-03-06 18:03:42 <ArtForz> and trying to drive the former with timings for the latter... not too good an idea
1298 2011-03-06 18:04:18 <subpar> here ya go...
1299 2011-03-06 18:04:21 <subpar> Fault Module Name: atiocl64.dll
1300 2011-03-06 18:04:29 <subpar> heh - from the crash
1301 2011-03-06 18:04:36 <JunK-Y> subpar: at what temperature is ur 6950 after the unlock?
1302 2011-03-06 18:04:42 <JunK-Y> mine is at like 83 C
1303 2011-03-06 18:04:50 <ArtForz> ewww
1304 2011-03-06 18:04:57 <subpar> I jack my fan a bit to keep it closer to mid 70's
1305 2011-03-06 18:05:09 <subpar> plus there is a 5770 next to it
1306 2011-03-06 18:05:13 <ArtForz> yeah, I try to keep shit < 80 if possible
1307 2011-03-06 18:05:16 <ArtForz> except for my 5770s
1308 2011-03-06 18:05:26 <subpar> I love my 5770
1309 2011-03-06 18:05:33 <JunK-Y> there's another 6950 close to it in my case.
1310 2011-03-06 18:05:39 <subpar> can OC it like a champ and stays plenty cool
1311 2011-03-06 18:05:44 <ArtForz> going for "let's see when the first one catches fire" with those
1312 2011-03-06 18:05:52 <subpar> non reference
1313 2011-03-06 18:05:55 <ArtForz> my *worst* 5770 is at 1.01 GHz core ;)
1314 2011-03-06 18:06:02 <subpar> OH my
1315 2011-03-06 18:06:09 <subpar> I run it at 920
1316 2011-03-06 18:06:29 <subpar> Afterburner stops me at 940
1317 2011-03-06 18:06:41 <ArtForz> I use linux
1318 2011-03-06 18:06:52 <ArtForz> flashed bios with RBE-edited OC limits
1319 2011-03-06 18:06:58 <JunK-Y> ArtForz: debian?
1320 2011-03-06 18:06:59 <mortalis> Whats a good website for overclocking?
1321 2011-03-06 18:07:04 <ArtForz> yep
1322 2011-03-06 18:07:23 <ArtForz> here's my 5770s: http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?leg=&psn=0001&pid=343
1323 2011-03-06 18:07:32 <subpar> Diablo-D3: http://pastebin.com/zPmtPgZY
1324 2011-03-06 18:07:41 <ArtForz> yep, 512MB model, has only 1 dvi and a full grille slot ;)
1325 2011-03-06 18:07:42 <JunK-Y> since the difficulty increased a lot, we all need to OC huh? :)
1326 2011-03-06 18:08:00 <ArtForz> then whatcha gonna do at the next diff increase?
1327 2011-03-06 18:08:04 <ArtForz> ;;bc,stats
1328 2011-03-06 18:08:07 <gribble> Current Blocks: 112319 | Current Difficulty: 55590.23763914 | Next Difficulty At Block: 112895 | Next Difficulty In: 576 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 14 hours, 14 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 75818.69754797
1329 2011-03-06 18:08:29 <Diablo-D3> subpar: thats not a java traceback.
1330 2011-03-06 18:08:35 <slush> fourth card - the stuff completely freeze
1331 2011-03-06 18:08:42 <subpar> http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?leg=&psn=000101&pid=305
1332 2011-03-06 18:08:44 <Diablo-D3> subpar: thats also a driver bug.
1333 2011-03-06 18:08:45 <JunK-Y> ArtForz: nothing, im waiting a baby, so i cant afford more money in btc.
1334 2011-03-06 18:08:57 <Diablo-D3> subpar: what version of cat and stream are you using?
1335 2011-03-06 18:09:25 <subpar> <subpar> Diablo-D3: might be a driver/stream issue then?
1336 2011-03-06 18:09:25 <subpar> <subpar> on 6950 w/ 11.2 and 2.3
1337 2011-03-06 18:09:36 <ArtForz> slush: weird
1338 2011-03-06 18:10:00 <genjix> http://92.7.172.0/ <- that's my site. I have <div id='content'><div id='content_sideshadow'>content box, content box ...</div></div>
1339 2011-03-06 18:10:03 <genjix> how can I make the last content box stretch to 100% of the content height?
1340 2011-03-06 18:10:04 <genjix> http://92.7.172.0/style.css
1341 2011-03-06 18:10:06 <Diablo-D3> subpar: that could be why.
1342 2011-03-06 18:10:10 <Diablo-D3> subpar: dont own a 6xxx.
1343 2011-03-06 18:10:17 <Diablo-D3> they're only trouble.
1344 2011-03-06 18:10:34 <Diablo-D3> subpar: at either rate, trying to launch the miner again will probably fix that
1345 2011-03-06 18:10:47 <subpar> I'll scan through the thread and see if anyone else is using it succesfully
1346 2011-03-06 18:10:58 <subpar> I have 4 times - same issues
1347 2011-03-06 18:11:21 <subpar> poclbm is working so I am all good
1348 2011-03-06 18:11:28 <Diablo-D3> its a driver bug, at any rate.
1349 2011-03-06 18:11:34 <Diablo-D3> poclbm will do it too if mine is
1350 2011-03-06 18:11:35 <subpar> Diablo-D3: understood
1351 2011-03-06 18:11:39 <Diablo-D3> it just might not trigger it as often
1352 2011-03-06 18:11:45 <subpar> poclbm does NOT do it
1353 2011-03-06 18:11:53 <subpar> fwiw
1354 2011-03-06 18:11:57 <Diablo-D3> subpar: it does, you jsut might have to try it a few times
1355 2011-03-06 18:12:15 <subpar> running poclbm for a week and never a problem
1356 2011-03-06 18:12:29 <subpar> not arguing - just FYI
1357 2011-03-06 18:12:32 <Diablo-D3> it only does it on launch
1358 2011-03-06 18:12:38 <Diablo-D3> once its already running, it shouldnt happen again
1359 2011-03-06 18:13:59 <slush> ArtForz: Replacing one card with 5870 helped
1360 2011-03-06 18:14:04 <slush> ArtForz: it's crazy
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1362 2011-03-06 18:14:29 <ArtForz> weird
1363 2011-03-06 18:14:40 <slush> so 3x5970+1x5870 works
1364 2011-03-06 18:14:41 <subpar> The cards load up and then within 1-2 seconds java spits that error
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1366 2011-03-06 18:14:53 <slush> two 850W PSUs, so I don't expect troubles with supply
1367 2011-03-06 18:14:58 <ArtForz> huh, never heard that one before
1368 2011-03-06 18:15:13 <Aciid> I had 2 psu's too, before i bought a 1kW
1369 2011-03-06 18:15:36 <ArtForz> 1kW is a *tad* too small for 4*5970 ...
1370 2011-03-06 18:15:40 <Aciid> yeah
1371 2011-03-06 18:15:48 <ArtForz> even 1.2kW is asking for trouble imo
1372 2011-03-06 18:15:48 <Aciid> but i only have 2*6870
1373 2011-03-06 18:16:02 <Diablo-D3> 1.2kw is way too small
1374 2011-03-06 18:16:04 <Diablo-D3> you need like 1.6
1375 2011-03-06 18:16:19 <ArtForz> well, people *have* run 4*5970 on a 1.2kW
1376 2011-03-06 18:16:24 <Diablo-D3> 300*4 == 1.2
1377 2011-03-06 18:16:26 <ArtForz> for a short time, at stock clocks.
1378 2011-03-06 18:16:41 <Aciid> guys with 4*5970 don't have heating at home I assume?
1379 2011-03-06 18:16:43 <Diablo-D3> so you need like 1.4 just to keep the psus from blowing up
1380 2011-03-06 18:16:46 <Kiba> yo
1381 2011-03-06 18:16:50 * Kiba was very sick last night
1382 2011-03-06 18:16:50 <ArtForz> pretty much
1383 2011-03-06 18:16:53 * Kiba recover really fast
1384 2011-03-06 18:17:13 <ArtForz> imo best option is still 2 decent 800-850W PSUs
1385 2011-03-06 18:17:24 <ArtForz> or just a single 850W and build 2*5970 rigs
1386 2011-03-06 18:17:52 <ArtForz> a bit cheaper, easier to cool and not really more expensive if you arent space-constrained
1387 2011-03-06 18:18:34 <ArtForz> with 5870s math changes a bit, because you can run 4*5870 on a single 1kW
1388 2011-03-06 18:18:52 <Aciid> mom must be thinking im hacking SSL certificates or something. She has overheard some VOIP convos between me and my friends. Now shes asking wheres all the heat coming from and why are my workstations running full-load while im not "working"
1389 2011-03-06 18:19:00 <subpar> Diablo-D3: reading through the thread seems nobody is using a 69xx series with the miner succesfully - 10.11 won't install for one guy - I might try later tonight with 10.11
1390 2011-03-06 18:19:17 <Diablo-D3> subpar: its sdk 2.3
1391 2011-03-06 18:19:21 <Diablo-D3> thats whats fucking you
1392 2011-03-06 18:19:24 <ArtForz> assuming it's not a 1kW of the "blows up after a week at 60% load" kind
1393 2011-03-06 18:19:29 <Diablo-D3> and I dont really recommend 69xx on anything but newest shit
1394 2011-03-06 18:19:32 <subpar> Diablo-D3: got it
1395 2011-03-06 18:19:44 <Diablo-D3> 10.12 shipped with 69xx first, and it was shit
1396 2011-03-06 18:19:47 <ArtForz> anyways, slush, bad PSU usually doesnt show up on X start
1397 2011-03-06 18:19:53 <Diablo-D3> 11.2 fixed some of the fffffff in 11.1
1398 2011-03-06 18:19:59 <Diablo-D3> and we really need a 11.3 from what Ive heard
1399 2011-03-06 18:20:03 <ArtForz> btw, is that 32 or 64 bit linux?
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1401 2011-03-06 18:20:21 <slush> ArtForz: I'm using drivers 10.12
1402 2011-03-06 18:20:28 <slush> ArtForz: should I try another one?
1403 2011-03-06 18:20:41 <ArtForz> 10.12 works fine with 4*5970 here
1404 2011-03-06 18:20:45 <ArtForz> x86 or amd64?
1405 2011-03-06 18:20:49 <slush> x86
1406 2011-03-06 18:20:55 <ArtForz> there's your problem
1407 2011-03-06 18:21:00 <slush> really?
1408 2011-03-06 18:21:12 <ArtForz> yea
1409 2011-03-06 18:21:16 <slush> why?
1410 2011-03-06 18:21:22 <ArtForz> driver tries to map 256MB per GPU
1411 2011-03-06 18:21:30 <slush> shit
1412 2011-03-06 18:21:50 <ArtForz> and PCI mapping space is limited to 2GB on 32-bit linuxes
1413 2011-03-06 18:22:03 <Diablo-D3> lolfail
1414 2011-03-06 18:22:05 <slush> I just reinstalled debian
1415 2011-03-06 18:22:06 <Diablo-D3> why is he on x86?
1416 2011-03-06 18:22:08 <Aciid> multifail
1417 2011-03-06 18:22:16 <Diablo-D3> slush: dude, why didnt you install amd64?
1418 2011-03-06 18:22:30 <slush> I didn't see a reason why I should
1419 2011-03-06 18:22:31 <subpar> 32 bit CPU ?
1420 2011-03-06 18:22:34 <slush> but now I see :)
1421 2011-03-06 18:22:38 <Diablo-D3> slush: you have a native 64bit cpu.
1422 2011-03-06 18:22:49 <Diablo-D3> you lose 10-15% of your cpu's performance running 32bit shit on it.
1423 2011-03-06 18:23:59 <subpar> well - hopefully 2.4 comes out before mining becomes even less profitable
1424 2011-03-06 18:24:17 <slush> ArtForz: btw thanks for investigating :)
1425 2011-03-06 18:24:53 <JunK-Y> slush: have fun w/ reinstalling 64 bits ;)
1426 2011-03-06 18:24:58 <Aciid> slush: all your engineer guru points were flushed down the drain
1427 2011-03-06 18:25:00 <Aciid> *sloosh*
1428 2011-03-06 18:25:18 <subpar> deepbit is killing me today - 3 blocks ina row over 3 hours
1429 2011-03-06 18:25:37 <Aciid> separate /home partition advocaters users should not have any problems
1430 2011-03-06 18:25:38 <subpar> the last 5h58 and seems the one now is going on 6 hours
1431 2011-03-06 18:25:54 <Aciid> subpar: PPS4lyfe
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1433 2011-03-06 18:26:23 <subpar> Aciid: yeah - I did that yesterday and then missed 4 blocks in 3 hours
1434 2011-03-06 18:26:26 <subpar> ;-)
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1436 2011-03-06 18:26:57 <Aciid> oh easyblocks?
1437 2011-03-06 18:28:00 <Aciid> hmm I don't know how to evaluate should I try proportional or not
1438 2011-03-06 18:28:45 <slush> Aciid: I don't care aout engineer guru points - I don't understand hw stuff and I never claimed otherwise
1439 2011-03-06 18:29:18 <slush> btw this is my first 64bit computer, that's why I picked 32bit :)
1440 2011-03-06 18:29:37 <jgarzik> 32 bits should be enough for anyone!
1441 2011-03-06 18:29:38 * jgarzik runs
1442 2011-03-06 18:29:41 <subpar> Aciid: PPS is based on a 10% fee and proportional on 3% (at Deepbit)
1443 2011-03-06 18:29:52 <subpar> jgarzik: 16bit baby
1444 2011-03-06 18:29:58 <subpar> :-)
1445 2011-03-06 18:30:15 <Diablo-D3> slush: er, how was it your first?
1446 2011-03-06 18:30:27 <Diablo-D3> slush: didnt you own a core 2 before this? or a k8?
1447 2011-03-06 18:30:33 subpar has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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1449 2011-03-06 18:31:12 <subpar> damn Xchat POS
1450 2011-03-06 18:31:41 <slush> Diablo-D3: I'm using Atom on my desktop. I don't even know if it is 32bit or 64bit
1451 2011-03-06 18:31:47 <Diablo-D3> its 32.
1452 2011-03-06 18:31:47 <slush> As I'm not playing games, I don't care :)
1453 2011-03-06 18:31:54 <Diablo-D3> and your desktop sucks
1454 2011-03-06 18:32:12 <subpar> needs based comouting...
1455 2011-03-06 18:32:16 <subpar> computing
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1457 2011-03-06 18:32:49 <slush> Diablo-D3: I know :)
1458 2011-03-06 18:34:25 <nextgens>
1459 2011-03-06 18:34:44 <[Tycho]> 32bit FTW !
1460 2011-03-06 18:34:47 <Aciid> hmm I wonder why is my VGA display disorting when I'm mining?
1461 2011-03-06 18:34:57 <Aciid> DVI display is not going crazy tho
1462 2011-03-06 18:35:52 mekel has joined
1463 2011-03-06 18:36:36 <Diablo-D3> Aciid: because they dont make VGA shit like they used to
1464 2011-03-06 18:36:41 <Diablo-D3> all full of emi and shit
1465 2011-03-06 18:36:49 <Diablo-D3> just use DVI.
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1468 2011-03-06 18:45:14 <Aciid> this must be the best answer that I'll ever get
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1471 2011-03-06 18:47:52 <BlueMatt> Aciid: hes probably right
1472 2011-03-06 18:48:44 <Diablo-D3> alright Im going to bed
1473 2011-03-06 18:48:45 <Diablo-D3> night all
1474 2011-03-06 18:49:29 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,estimate
1475 2011-03-06 18:49:30 <gribble> 76088.68228040
1476 2011-03-06 18:50:09 <JunK-Y> see ya Diablo-D3
1477 2011-03-06 18:53:49 molecular has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
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1480 2011-03-06 19:03:15 <lolcat> Hello
1481 2011-03-06 19:03:31 <luke-jr> slush: stick to 32-bit ;)
1482 2011-03-06 19:03:41 JackRabiit has joined
1483 2011-03-06 19:04:30 <JackRabiit> wow so many people of importance are on so often! how nice!
1484 2011-03-06 19:05:58 <luke-jr> slush: even Debian x86-32 has a linux-image-amd64 kernel package ;)
1485 2011-03-06 19:06:57 <ArtForz> yeah, 64 bit kernel with mostly 32 bit userland is somewhat useful
1486 2011-03-06 19:07:11 <genjix> how much does mtgox charge on trades?
1487 2011-03-06 19:07:17 <genjix> 0.75%?
1488 2011-03-06 19:07:20 <ArtForz> 0.65% off both sides
1489 2011-03-06 19:07:32 <genjix> thanks
1490 2011-03-06 19:07:58 <ArtForz> actually it's 0.6458023% or so
1491 2011-03-06 19:08:02 <slush> luke-jr you mean using 64bit kernel on current (32bit) installation?
1492 2011-03-06 19:08:31 <ArtForz> as it does / 1.0065 instead of * 0.9935
1493 2011-03-06 19:09:03 <genjix> ic
1494 2011-03-06 19:09:32 <JackRabiit> So just to be clear..... i can convert BTC's into money via Paypal......
1495 2011-03-06 19:09:37 <ArtForz> dunno why, probably so people that dont properly understand percentages don't complain ;)
1496 2011-03-06 19:10:14 <JackRabiit> yay/nay?
1497 2011-03-06 19:11:27 <ArtForz> iirc yes, but I dont personally know as I wouldn't touch paypal with a 10ft pole
1498 2011-03-06 19:11:42 <mekel> lol
1499 2011-03-06 19:12:41 TD has joined
1500 2011-03-06 19:13:02 <lolcat> Anyone here interessted to trade bitcoins for food in Norway?
1501 2011-03-06 19:13:10 <Aciid> now thats commitement
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1503 2011-03-06 19:14:24 <BlueMatt> lolcat: check on #bitcoin-otc
1504 2011-03-06 19:14:43 <lolcat> BlueMatt: I thought I was there but read wrong
1505 2011-03-06 19:15:09 <JackRabiit> Lol you got wronged by them? i heard of how people have thier 500paypal dollar accounts "frozen for invaild activity" and then when it unfreezes thier balance is 0.00 "due to infrigment"
1506 2011-03-06 19:15:19 <ArtForz> a few years ago they froze my business account for "suspected money laundering" because I received 5-digit $/mo from a US based company
1507 2011-03-06 19:15:30 <JackRabiit> Wow.
1508 2011-03-06 19:15:59 <BlueMatt> ArtForz: have to fight to get it back?
1509 2011-03-06 19:16:13 <ArtForz> took a few months and a nasty letter from my laywer to sort that out
1510 2011-03-06 19:16:22 <JackRabiit> i would like to know what the 5digit payments camefrom/arefor but thats None of my buisness and im not gonna ask
1511 2011-03-06 19:16:27 <BlueMatt> hence, get rid of pp go bitcoin!
1512 2011-03-06 19:16:54 <JackRabiit> Friggin paypal
1513 2011-03-06 19:17:14 <Kiba> they need competition!
1514 2011-03-06 19:17:22 <dissipate> i don't understand. if paypal and everything else sucks so bad, why aren't people flocking to bitcoin? bitcoin should have billions going through it by now.
1515 2011-03-06 19:17:29 <ArtForz> basically "if you have any reason to suspect money laundering, report it to the cops and send a copy of the police report, otherwise unfreeze those funds or we'll sue"
1516 2011-03-06 19:17:34 <JackRabiit> Oh! and idea for Bitcoin! lets have cellphone micro payments be a way to purchase bitcoins!
1517 2011-03-06 19:17:36 <Kiba> dissipate: because they don't know about bitcoin yet?
1518 2011-03-06 19:17:51 <Aciid> JackRabiit: bad idea
1519 2011-03-06 19:17:51 <Kiba> bitcoin dealers in coffeeshop!
1520 2011-03-06 19:18:11 <JackRabiit> Wha? why...?
1521 2011-03-06 19:18:12 <Kiba> there are all sort of ways to purchase b itcoin
1522 2011-03-06 19:18:23 <Aciid> JackRabiit: tax to the provider would go to the skies
1523 2011-03-06 19:18:26 <genjix> does anyone have that map of bitcoin worldwide showing all the nodes? i saw a more recent version
1524 2011-03-06 19:18:29 <JackRabiit> FUCK!
1525 2011-03-06 19:18:37 <JackRabiit> DAMN TRUTHS ANNOY ME
1526 2011-03-06 19:18:58 <dissipate> the bitcoin economy is less than $5 million in size. :(
1527 2011-03-06 19:19:08 <dissipate> it should be over $50 billion!
1528 2011-03-06 19:19:09 <JackRabiit> sooooo?
1529 2011-03-06 19:19:13 <JackRabiit> lul
1530 2011-03-06 19:19:14 <JackRabiit> no
1531 2011-03-06 19:19:16 <Kiba> dissipate: we're in a exponentional rise, buddy
1532 2011-03-06 19:19:27 <ArtForz> and for "how the fuck do you make 5-digit sums" ... % of income from a MMO goldfarming operation
1533 2011-03-06 19:19:29 <slush> dissipate: I think real bicoin economy is much smaller
1534 2011-03-06 19:19:31 <JackRabiit> start early and be rich near the end!
1535 2011-03-06 19:19:34 <dissipate> so when it is going to be at $1 billion?
1536 2011-03-06 19:19:57 <JackRabiit> ARTFORTZ ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS THATS HOW MUCH THEY MAKE!
1537 2011-03-06 19:20:01 <ArtForz> yup
1538 2011-03-06 19:20:02 <ArtForz> I wrote the bot, got 5% of gross
1539 2011-03-06 19:20:04 <slush> dissipate: you cannot take <bitcoin count> * <usd/btc ratio>
1540 2011-03-06 19:20:10 <JackRabiit> HOLY SHIT SERIOUSLY!
1541 2011-03-06 19:20:21 <dissipate> slush, so what do you gauge it by?
1542 2011-03-06 19:20:31 <BlueMatt> HOLY SHIT I DONT KNOW HOW TO TURN OFF CAPSLOCK!!
1543 2011-03-06 19:20:38 <JackRabiit> Please please please!!!!!!!!!!!! give me some kind of proof, everyone i know says doing what you just said isnt a good way to get money!
1544 2011-03-06 19:20:47 <JackRabiit> i jsut shift thankyou very much
1545 2011-03-06 19:20:49 <ArtForz> WOW, THATS SO MUCH EASIER WITH CAPSLOCK!
1546 2011-03-06 19:20:50 <Kiba> ArtForz: do you still receive that much?
1547 2011-03-06 19:20:54 <ArtForz> Kiba: nope
1548 2011-03-06 19:21:00 <Kiba> do you get any?
1549 2011-03-06 19:21:01 <JackRabiit> i hold down shift, never use caps
1550 2011-03-06 19:21:01 <slush> dissipate: I have no idea :)
1551 2011-03-06 19:21:06 <ArtForz> chinese waltzed in and pretty much ruined the market
1552 2011-03-06 19:21:13 <Kiba> haha
1553 2011-03-06 19:21:27 <slush> from today, I have probably the most ugliest miner ever
1554 2011-03-06 19:21:27 <mekel> i want a bitcoin credit card company, with an official bitcoin credit card
1555 2011-03-06 19:21:30 <mekel> bit-card
1556 2011-03-06 19:21:31 <slush> uglier
1557 2011-03-06 19:21:32 <Kiba> don't worry
1558 2011-03-06 19:21:35 <lolcat> Chinese ruined bitcoins?
1559 2011-03-06 19:21:36 <mekel> and i want to be able to swype it everywhere
1560 2011-03-06 19:21:42 <Kiba> chinese's income level wantness will rise
1561 2011-03-06 19:21:49 <dissipate> mekel, incompatible mediums
1562 2011-03-06 19:21:59 <mekel> it will be that wasy one day.
1563 2011-03-06 19:22:02 <dissipate> mekel, unless you mean a credit card that can be funded using BTC
1564 2011-03-06 19:22:09 <ArtForz> no, chinese ruined mmo goldfarming
1565 2011-03-06 19:22:11 <JackRabiit> Chinese ruined MMO money making
1566 2011-03-06 19:22:11 <mekel> thats exactly what i mean
1567 2011-03-06 19:22:21 <ArtForz> prices dropped by 90% over 3 weeks
1568 2011-03-06 19:22:30 <JackRabiit> Slush what are you talking about? what did you do to your miner.....
1569 2011-03-06 19:22:35 <Kiba> ArtForz: they employed humans instead of bot?
1570 2011-03-06 19:22:36 <mekel> those damn asians and their nimble little fingers
1571 2011-03-06 19:22:46 <ArtForz> Kiba: yup
1572 2011-03-06 19:22:49 <Kiba> wow
1573 2011-03-06 19:22:55 <JackRabiit> HAY they make a sacrifices for thier skillz
1574 2011-03-06 19:23:05 <lolcat> If I needed to double my bitcoin fast, what would you suggest?
1575 2011-03-06 19:23:07 <Kiba> I would think a bot would win out
1576 2011-03-06 19:23:11 <ArtForz> it does
1577 2011-03-06 19:23:20 <mekel> make some leet buys and sells jack
1578 2011-03-06 19:23:30 <dissipate> lolcat, double trouble
1579 2011-03-06 19:23:33 <ArtForz> we were making a *killing* before, with the chinese in the market it kinda went to "meh"
1580 2011-03-06 19:23:37 <mekel> jack=lolcat*
1581 2011-03-06 19:23:38 <mekel> wtf
1582 2011-03-06 19:23:43 <JackRabiit> ?
1583 2011-03-06 19:23:44 <JackRabiit> what?
1584 2011-03-06 19:23:47 <mekel> i mt'd
1585 2011-03-06 19:23:48 <JackRabiit> im not lolcat
1586 2011-03-06 19:23:51 <slush> JackRabiit: previous version http://mining.bitcoin.cz/media/img/miner.jpg . Today I added second stage with pcie risers :)
1587 2011-03-06 19:23:54 <ArtForz> sold off the whole shebang to a another major operation
1588 2011-03-06 19:23:54 <mekel> i know this
1589 2011-03-06 19:23:55 <lolcat> im not JackRabiit
1590 2011-03-06 19:23:58 <mekel> i know this
1591 2011-03-06 19:24:06 <JackRabiit> Lolcat! lol!
1592 2011-03-06 19:24:22 <lolcat> JackRabiit: I amment
1593 2011-03-06 19:24:22 <dissipate> lolcat, http://doubletrouble.bitcoinbet.com/
1594 2011-03-06 19:24:22 <JackRabiit> Mekel how did you come across that conclusion lol
1595 2011-03-06 19:24:30 <mekel> i didnt
1596 2011-03-06 19:24:41 <mekel> i accidently typed a statement out to lolcats, with ur name isntead of his
1597 2011-03-06 19:24:56 <JackRabiit> ahahahahaa
1598 2011-03-06 19:24:56 <mekel> i thought u said something but it was lolcats.. movin on
1599 2011-03-06 19:25:05 <JackRabiit> Indeed we are CHOO CHOO
1600 2011-03-06 19:25:29 <mekel> double ur bitcoins..buy low, sell high?
1601 2011-03-06 19:25:38 <mekel> buy when low again
1602 2011-03-06 19:25:43 <mekel> o_O
1603 2011-03-06 19:25:46 <JackRabiit> holy F Slush
1604 2011-03-06 19:25:49 <JackRabiit> that IS ugly
1605 2011-03-06 19:25:53 <JackRabiit> But..
1606 2011-03-06 19:26:03 <JackRabiit> what are your speed OMFGROFFELBBQMUSTBEEIPC!
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1608 2011-03-06 19:26:21 <JackRabiit> i get 240mhash/s with one 6870
1609 2011-03-06 19:26:37 <JackRabiit> Slush you must be like 1ghash all byyourself
1610 2011-03-06 19:27:04 <lolcat> How many mhash would I do on 1x 2800mhz xeon?
1611 2011-03-06 19:27:07 <slush> JackRabiit: over 2.5 currently
1612 2011-03-06 19:27:14 <ArtForz> *oblig. imgbay link*
1613 2011-03-06 19:27:14 <JackRabiit> Wha!!!!!!!!!!!
1614 2011-03-06 19:27:16 <TD> ArtForz: you wrote a WoW goldfarming bot?
1615 2011-03-06 19:27:23 <JackRabiit> i want in your pool!!!!
1616 2011-03-06 19:27:28 <ArtForz> yup
1617 2011-03-06 19:27:41 <JackRabiit> DAMN SLUSH thats strong
1618 2011-03-06 19:27:43 <ArtForz> it was also completely clientless
1619 2011-03-06 19:27:45 <TD> did you have fun with the warden, or was it before all that?
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1621 2011-03-06 19:28:04 <ArtForz> completely emulated the warden
1622 2011-03-06 19:28:22 <TD> i thought it was supposed to change frequently
1623 2011-03-06 19:28:25 <TD> to stop exactly that
1624 2011-03-06 19:28:30 <ArtForz> it does
1625 2011-03-06 19:28:34 <mekel> i <3 ur zip ties slush
1626 2011-03-06 19:28:37 <ArtForz> turns out those "random" changes are anything but
1627 2011-03-06 19:28:43 <ArtForz> well, at least they were
1628 2011-03-06 19:28:56 <TD> just swapping instructions out for equivalents and stuff?
1629 2011-03-06 19:29:00 <ArtForz> yeah
1630 2011-03-06 19:29:24 <TD> funny. my job is basically beating guys like you :p except they are spammers rather than gold farmers
1631 2011-03-06 19:29:32 <TD> i maintain something a little bit like the warden
1632 2011-03-06 19:29:42 <slush> ArtForz: What happen if I overload my PSU?
1633 2011-03-06 19:29:47 <slush> will it blow? :)
1634 2011-03-06 19:29:56 <ArtForz> btw, I also completely broke nexon GameGuard
1635 2011-03-06 19:29:56 <slush> or just shut down?
1636 2011-03-06 19:30:42 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, the warden was completely broken by a private D2 bot within days of it's release
1637 2011-03-06 19:31:02 <ArtForz> GG was very popular with asian MMOs
1638 2011-03-06 19:31:13 <ArtForz> not even a really bad impl I have to say
1639 2011-03-06 19:31:58 <phantomcircuit> it's basically just a trojan horse with easily accessed specific routines
1640 2011-03-06 19:32:05 <JackRabiit> Slush! if my calculations are correct then 95% 3 days, 3 hours, 47 minutes is your chance to get 50coins!!!!!
1641 2011-03-06 19:32:09 <JackRabiit> solo!
1642 2011-03-06 19:32:11 <ArtForz> dynamically decrypting parts of the binary from kernel mode, decryption keys for other parts sent at runtime from server, all kinds of neat anti-debugging tricks
1643 2011-03-06 19:32:17 <phantomcircuit> (as you can guess i didnt break it :P)
1644 2011-03-06 19:33:18 <ArtForz> for GG I could actually predict the correct answers for the next update before it was released
1645 2011-03-06 19:33:30 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, i thought the warden didnt even both with that, but was basically just "accept code, run code"
1646 2011-03-06 19:33:37 <ArtForz> yea
1647 2011-03-06 19:33:43 <TD> sounds like they put a bit too much effort into obfuscation and a bit too little into changing it rapidly by humans
1648 2011-03-06 19:33:57 <ArtForz> yep
1649 2011-03-06 19:34:09 <ArtForz> well, actually their system wasnt too bad in theory
1650 2011-03-06 19:34:13 <TD> i think the warden did have some anti-debugging stuff. walking the stack, checking for breakpoints and the stuff
1651 2011-03-06 19:34:30 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, iirc the first break of the warden was a whitelist of replies/crash upon not getting a known request
1652 2011-03-06 19:34:44 <ArtForz> in practice GG used rand() to generate "random" things to check
1653 2011-03-06 19:34:52 <phantomcircuit> lololol
1654 2011-03-06 19:35:15 <TD> the randomness didn't come from the server?
1655 2011-03-06 19:35:16 <TD> weak
1656 2011-03-06 19:35:18 <ArtForz> it did
1657 2011-03-06 19:35:30 <phantomcircuit> it just wasnt very random
1658 2011-03-06 19:35:37 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
1659 2011-03-06 19:35:39 <gribble> Current Blocks: 112339 | Current Difficulty: 55590.23763914 | Next Difficulty At Block: 112895 | Next Difficulty In: 556 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 10 hours, 50 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 76267.03413005
1660 2011-03-06 19:35:45 <JFK911> ;;bc,calc 350000
1661 2011-03-06 19:35:46 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 350000 Khps, given current difficulty of 55590.23763914 , is 1 week, 0 days, 21 hours, 29 minutes, and 26 seconds
1662 2011-03-06 19:35:52 <JFK911> ;;bc,calcd 350000 76000
1663 2011-03-06 19:35:53 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 350000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 76000, is 1 week, 3 days, 19 hours, 3 minutes, and 41 seconds
1664 2011-03-06 19:36:10 <mekel> some people say mining solo is bettr if u have a good enough card
1665 2011-03-06 19:36:14 <ArtForz> and uploaded stuff like crash dumps to a internal FTP, which also had... the complete SDK *including the server*
1666 2011-03-06 19:36:17 <mekel> but i disagree..
1667 2011-03-06 19:36:22 <TD> doh
1668 2011-03-06 19:36:54 <mekel> iv found less blocks than the amount of money iv made mining in a pool with a 6950
1669 2011-03-06 19:37:08 <phantomcircuit> mekel, statistically it is better to solo
1670 2011-03-06 19:37:16 <mekel> not for me ..
1671 2011-03-06 19:37:19 <TD> the fun thing about using gg/warden-like techniques to catch [web]spam is you run inside a very restrictive sandbox
1672 2011-03-06 19:37:24 <JFK911> i had better than average luck @ solo
1673 2011-03-06 19:37:30 <phantomcircuit> mekel, how much time did you spend at each?
1674 2011-03-06 19:37:30 <TD> there's no "decrypting from kernel mode" there
1675 2011-03-06 19:37:34 <mekel> i have found 5 blocks and have 500btc
1676 2011-03-06 19:37:41 <xelister> JFK911: you took some mekel's blocks. give it back
1677 2011-03-06 19:37:48 <JFK911> during this 55590 difficulty week, i was supposed to get 1 every 6 days
1678 2011-03-06 19:37:49 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: mekel solo is 2% better than pool in the long run because you donate 2%, other than that they are identical
1679 2011-03-06 19:37:51 <JFK911> but i got two this week
1680 2011-03-06 19:37:58 <mekel> but even with the donation
1681 2011-03-06 19:38:03 <ArtForz> JackRabiit: http://bayimg.com/KAAeaaAdp <- quad 5970 miner
1682 2011-03-06 19:38:05 <mekel> i have more money than i do discovred blocks
1683 2011-03-06 19:38:05 <JackRabiit> who the hell is 16wUqZpzMLZfnPFEnKozCHEQQYgntMkxoY he just got a 50 coin bulk JERK! share it lol
1684 2011-03-06 19:38:09 <mekel> and i have been mining non stop
1685 2011-03-06 19:38:22 <ArtForz> JackRabiit: http://bayimg.com/eABDfaAdd <- stack of 'em
1686 2011-03-06 19:38:27 <BlueMatt> mekel: probabilistically, they are the same -2%
1687 2011-03-06 19:38:47 <TD> ArtForz: btw would you mind if i used those images in a talk i'm giving soon ?
1688 2011-03-06 19:38:54 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, is that a wooden box?
1689 2011-03-06 19:38:58 <mekel> i guess im just lucky blue and phantom
1690 2011-03-06 19:39:01 <phantomcircuit> er
1691 2011-03-06 19:39:04 <ArtForz> chipboard
1692 2011-03-06 19:39:06 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, facepalm, cardboard
1693 2011-03-06 19:39:13 <mekel> not lucky*
1694 2011-03-06 19:39:14 <ArtForz> front/back are HDF
1695 2011-03-06 19:39:15 <mekel> pool is bettr for me so far
1696 2011-03-06 19:39:35 <JackRabiit> ArtForz ARE THOSE YOURS!
1697 2011-03-06 19:39:40 <ArtForz> yup
1698 2011-03-06 19:40:03 <JackRabiit> how much did they cost all togeather? like $15,000?!
1699 2011-03-06 19:40:10 <JackRabiit> Fuck actually more importantly
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1701 2011-03-06 19:40:20 <JackRabiit> how many hash's you doin?
1702 2011-03-06 19:40:39 <mekel> thats beautiful artfor
1703 2011-03-06 19:40:42 <ArtForz> about 36Gh/s
1704 2011-03-06 19:40:50 <JackRabiit> Oh
1705 2011-03-06 19:40:52 <JackRabiit> My
1706 2011-03-06 19:40:53 <JackRabiit> God
1707 2011-03-06 19:41:05 <JackRabiit> YOU alone are an entire pool combined
1708 2011-03-06 19:41:16 <jrabbit> does x86 have an advantage with sha256?
1709 2011-03-06 19:41:22 <JackRabiit> ...... who do you work for? solo? wich mine you in?
1710 2011-03-06 19:41:26 <dissipate> jrabbit, no
1711 2011-03-06 19:41:28 <Aciid> ;;bc,calc 500000
1712 2011-03-06 19:41:30 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 500000 Khps, given current difficulty of 55590.23763914 , is 5 days, 12 hours, 38 minutes, and 36 seconds
1713 2011-03-06 19:41:37 <Aciid> hmm
1714 2011-03-06 19:41:37 <mekel> hey art wanna dual pool mine with me :o
1715 2011-03-06 19:41:41 <ArtForz> solo miner
1716 2011-03-06 19:41:42 <mekel> lol
1717 2011-03-06 19:41:49 <Aciid> how do i solo mine with 2 GPU's?
1718 2011-03-06 19:41:50 <jrabbit> dissipate: Are there any cpu arches that do? :P
1719 2011-03-06 19:41:57 <ArtForz> Aciid: slowly?
1720 2011-03-06 19:42:00 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, that makes you the single largest solo miner, but still not even close to 50%
1721 2011-03-06 19:42:02 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, neat
1722 2011-03-06 19:42:24 <dissipate> jrabbit, nope. cpus are uber slow for this type of math.
1723 2011-03-06 19:42:24 <mekel> art i want to shake ur hand irl lol
1724 2011-03-06 19:42:32 <ArtForz> phantomcircuit: dunno about that, I'm pretty sure there are solo miners with ~100Gh/s
1725 2011-03-06 19:42:33 <mekel> go to summecon this year
1726 2011-03-06 19:42:33 <genjix> ArtForz, have my babies
1727 2011-03-06 19:42:38 <genjix> PLEEEAAASSEEEEEE
1728 2011-03-06 19:42:41 <jrabbit> I guess the ppc shit laptop with an ancient gpu woudl be no good :P
1729 2011-03-06 19:43:06 <BlueMatt> There does appear to be some kind of mysterious miner which is larger than art, or any known pool
1730 2011-03-06 19:43:07 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, that's some serious investment
1731 2011-03-06 19:43:17 <jrabbit> ArtForz: I think the only winner here is AMD/Nvidia :P
1732 2011-03-06 19:43:19 <BlueMatt> No one knows who it is
1733 2011-03-06 19:43:21 <JackRabiit> Wow ArtForz 95% 5 hours, 15 minutes =50 bitcoins
1734 2011-03-06 19:43:36 <dissipate> jrabbit, it used to be anyone could mine and get coins. now the competition is a LOT bigger.
1735 2011-03-06 19:43:42 <ArtForz> yep
1736 2011-03-06 19:43:48 <ArtForz> I was plenty early, the GPUs have long paid for themselves
1737 2011-03-06 19:43:55 <JackRabiit> WHAT!
1738 2011-03-06 19:43:58 <JackRabiit> LONG PAID!
1739 2011-03-06 19:44:00 <JackRabiit> goddamn!
1740 2011-03-06 19:44:09 <mekel> haha
1741 2011-03-06 19:44:17 <mekel> dont envy him
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1743 2011-03-06 19:44:20 <mekel> just respect him
1744 2011-03-06 19:44:23 <JackRabiit> are you willing to give me an estimate on how many BTC's you've mined?
1745 2011-03-06 19:44:29 <[Tycho]> JackRabiit is overreacting...
1746 2011-03-06 19:44:34 <JackRabiit> I AM NOT
1747 2011-03-06 19:44:37 <JackRabiit> sooooooo nawt!
1748 2011-03-06 19:44:40 <jrabbit> [Tycho]: any json progress?
1749 2011-03-06 19:44:48 <[Tycho]> Some people started to mine years ago.
1750 2011-03-06 19:44:57 <JackRabiit> OH!
1751 2011-03-06 19:44:58 <ArtForz> 331500 or so
1752 2011-03-06 19:45:02 <JackRabiit> that factor
1753 2011-03-06 19:45:05 <JackRabiit> Right
1754 2011-03-06 19:45:06 <genjix> jesus
1755 2011-03-06 19:45:09 <JackRabiit> forgot about that Tycho
1756 2011-03-06 19:45:13 <JackRabiit> i am overreaccting abit
1757 2011-03-06 19:45:18 <JackRabiit> Just abit tho
1758 2011-03-06 19:45:24 <JackRabiit> 331500!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1759 2011-03-06 19:45:30 <genjix> 330k
1760 2011-03-06 19:45:32 <JackRabiit> ITS OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1761 2011-03-06 19:45:43 <mekel> on the water
1762 2011-03-06 19:45:46 <jrabbit> Damn thats quite a bit actually
1763 2011-03-06 19:45:46 <Aciid> a small fortune?
1764 2011-03-06 19:45:51 <ArtForz> nah
1765 2011-03-06 19:45:53 <mekel> u could buy a house in bitcoins lol
1766 2011-03-06 19:45:54 <Aciid> ready to stop working?
1767 2011-03-06 19:46:01 <jrabbit> Though you couldn't acrtually move thos bitcoins
1768 2011-03-06 19:46:03 <mekel> ok art
1769 2011-03-06 19:46:07 <Aciid> retire early with bitcoin
1770 2011-03-06 19:46:07 <mekel> now go bet it all at double trouble
1771 2011-03-06 19:46:08 <jrabbit> without flooding the market
1772 2011-03-06 19:46:12 <mekel> double or nothing
1773 2011-03-06 19:46:18 <BlueMatt> if ArtForz receives random 7 figs via pp, the mining isnt much
1774 2011-03-06 19:46:24 <ArtForz> I actually sold all except ~40k or so
1775 2011-03-06 19:46:34 <mekel> nice
1776 2011-03-06 19:46:38 <mekel> how fast did they sell
1777 2011-03-06 19:46:44 <genjix> why're you all talking about retiring?
1778 2011-03-06 19:46:51 <Aciid> ArtForz: rate?
1779 2011-03-06 19:46:55 <genjix> wouldn't you invest it into linux projects?
1780 2011-03-06 19:47:01 <genjix> or do something cool with it?
1781 2011-03-06 19:47:01 <ArtForz> from 0.06 to 1.10
1782 2011-03-06 19:47:11 <genjix> buying a car / expensive holiday is so lame and usual
1783 2011-03-06 19:47:13 <BlueMatt> ArtForz is actually Bill Gates
1784 2011-03-06 19:47:21 <mekel> damn bro
1785 2011-03-06 19:47:21 <BlueMatt> ...or richer
1786 2011-03-06 19:47:25 <mekel> u should buy solar panels
1787 2011-03-06 19:47:29 <[Tycho]> There are definitely someone with >100GH/s, their coinbase is different and i can see those blocks correllate with network speed variation.
1788 2011-03-06 19:47:31 <mekel> and make ur cards pure profit
1789 2011-03-06 19:47:35 <BlueMatt> in germany? no
1790 2011-03-06 19:47:38 * genjix never got why rich people buy boring shit
1791 2011-03-06 19:47:42 <genjix> i'd get a jetpack
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1793 2011-03-06 19:47:53 <mekel> jetpacks are inefficent
1794 2011-03-06 19:48:01 <mekel> what he needs is a mini heli that will fly him solo
1795 2011-03-06 19:48:08 <mekel> but they are small enuf that u dont need a pilot license
1796 2011-03-06 19:48:11 <jrabbit> [Tycho]: need json for pretty graphs :O
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1798 2011-03-06 19:48:13 <ArtForz> [Tycho]: yup
1799 2011-03-06 19:48:23 <Aciid> [Tycho]: makes me wonder is it legimate or a botnet
1800 2011-03-06 19:48:29 <[Tycho]> jrabbit, yes, already tried it.
1801 2011-03-06 19:48:36 <Aciid> by means legimate == company servers and suchs.
1802 2011-03-06 19:48:51 <genjix> haha i would do the same if i could :p
1803 2011-03-06 19:48:56 <mekel> i hav a plan to implant bitcoin on all the computers at my college and use 1 of the cores on every processor so it isnt noticeable
1804 2011-03-06 19:49:12 <genjix> mekel: have it run at night via a cron job
1805 2011-03-06 19:49:14 <ArtForz> just follow the 11th commandment
1806 2011-03-06 19:49:17 <BlueMatt> Ima write a modified stuxnet that mines
1807 2011-03-06 19:49:23 <mekel> good point genj
1808 2011-03-06 19:49:24 <[Tycho]> I have at least one "company's botnet" in my pool.
1809 2011-03-06 19:49:24 <Aciid> hahah
1810 2011-03-06 19:49:25 <dissipate> mekel, good luck :)
1811 2011-03-06 19:49:31 <mekel> thank you
1812 2011-03-06 19:49:36 <mekel> i cant wait to implement it
1813 2011-03-06 19:49:46 <Aciid> [Tycho]: lsof spy much?
1814 2011-03-06 19:49:58 <[Tycho]> What ?
1815 2011-03-06 19:50:08 <genjix> shame im a vagrant with only a laptop
1816 2011-03-06 19:50:10 <Aciid> lsof
1817 2011-03-06 19:50:20 <genjix> downside to travelling is lack of computing power :p
1818 2011-03-06 19:50:39 <mekel> i hav nvidia 9800m gts in my laptop
1819 2011-03-06 19:50:43 <Aciid> [Tycho]: lsof shows open connection addressess
1820 2011-03-06 19:50:47 <mekel> it only gets 13k hashes tho
1821 2011-03-06 19:50:56 <mekel> thats wat the hd 6950 is for at the home pc
1822 2011-03-06 19:51:13 <[Tycho]> Why do you need to take your farm with you ? It can continue mining at home :)
1823 2011-03-06 19:51:47 <genjix> i dont have a home :p
1824 2011-03-06 19:53:07 <mekel> nooooooooooooooooooooooo
1825 2011-03-06 19:53:10 <mekel> i got trouble
1826 2011-03-06 19:53:11 <mekel> 1 btc down
1827 2011-03-06 19:53:13 rapacity_ is now known as rapacity
1828 2011-03-06 19:53:45 <JackRabiit> ArtForz man. i dont know what to say, aside from, You Win At Life
1829 2011-03-06 19:53:46 <TD> [Tycho]: how is their coinbase different
1830 2011-03-06 19:54:38 <JackRabiit> do you still Work or are you retired living off bitcoin$, and i agree with Mekel, if you have solar panels then you could make the GPU's PURE profit
1831 2011-03-06 19:54:51 <mekel> ^
1832 2011-03-06 19:54:51 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, the hell is the 11th commandment?
1833 2011-03-06 19:54:56 <JackRabiit> Wow
1834 2011-03-06 19:55:00 <JackRabiit> just Wow
1835 2011-03-06 19:55:05 <dissipate> JackRabiit, except for the upfront cost of the solar panels. :(
1836 2011-03-06 19:55:05 <[Tycho]> JackRabiit, you don't even know yet about his ASICs :)
1837 2011-03-06 19:55:19 <ArtForz> "Thous shalt not get caught"
1838 2011-03-06 19:55:24 <Aciid> I would totally pledge to see someone mining with pure solar
1839 2011-03-06 19:55:25 <JackRabiit> Tycho.... are you about to blow my minds.....
1840 2011-03-06 19:55:26 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, rofl
1841 2011-03-06 19:55:39 <phantomcircuit> oh btw
1842 2011-03-06 19:56:13 <genjix> ArtForz must be feeling like a chick right now. loving all the attention from dudes on the net.
1843 2011-03-06 19:56:13 <phantomcircuit> anybody have a high traffic site they want to significantly monetize and dont mind about 10% of their visitors getting redirected to an ad whenever they click on the page?
1844 2011-03-06 19:56:15 <[Tycho]> TD, that big user is mining with custom built bitcoind
1845 2011-03-06 19:56:17 <phantomcircuit> xD
1846 2011-03-06 19:56:25 <TD> [Tycho]: yeah but what's their fingerprint?
1847 2011-03-06 19:56:34 <TD> [Tycho]: do you mean modified? or actually, you think it's entirely new?
1848 2011-03-06 19:56:57 <JackRabiit> What has he done with ASIC's.......
1849 2011-03-06 19:56:57 <phantomcircuit> TD, writing an entirely new bitcoind isn't trivial, but it's also not *that* hard
1850 2011-03-06 19:57:02 <ArtForz> modified... or rather looks like a old-ish version
1851 2011-03-06 19:57:04 <JackRabiit> im afraid
1852 2011-03-06 20:01:13 <[Tycho]> JackRabiit, fear not, he isn't the first or the last one who did that.
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1855 2011-03-06 20:06:13 <JackRabiit> Tycho, that just gives me fear
1856 2011-03-06 20:06:39 <JackRabiit> Makes me Know how inferior i am, rather just be scared because i glimpsed ata godfigure
1857 2011-03-06 20:06:49 <phantomcircuit> damn it
1858 2011-03-06 20:06:56 <phantomcircuit> stupid sqlite3 python module
1859 2011-03-06 20:07:02 <phantomcircuit> returning tuples instead of sqlite3.Row
1860 2011-03-06 20:07:03 <JackRabiit> the realisation that the godfigure is common, Thats scary
1861 2011-03-06 20:07:07 <phantomcircuit> <.< >.>
1862 2011-03-06 20:08:02 <JackRabiit> would you not agree Tycho?
1863 2011-03-06 20:08:19 <[Tycho]> I'm not afraid of him.
1864 2011-03-06 20:08:29 <JackRabiit> Aheh
1865 2011-03-06 20:08:36 <JackRabiit> thats cause your not inferior
1866 2011-03-06 20:08:40 <phantomcircuit> db.row_factory = sqlite3.Row
1867 2011-03-06 20:08:43 <phantomcircuit> ridiculousness
1868 2011-03-06 20:09:02 <JackRabiit> An Elephant fears none buta gun
1869 2011-03-06 20:09:07 <JackRabiit> well, that and mice
1870 2011-03-06 20:09:17 <JackRabiit> and large groups of huamns
1871 2011-03-06 20:09:19 <JackRabiit> but w/e
1872 2011-03-06 20:09:23 <JackRabiit> offtopic that was
1873 2011-03-06 20:09:58 <JackRabiit> So Tycho, do you think it'd be a decent idea to invest in GPU bitcoin mining?
1874 2011-03-06 20:10:13 <mekel> i think it is
1875 2011-03-06 20:10:24 <JackRabiit> and if so, wich would be more profitable, Pool or solo?
1876 2011-03-06 20:10:25 <mekel> i plan on buying another card when i get more bitcoins
1877 2011-03-06 20:10:37 <JackRabiit> i would think pool due to the stability of gain
1878 2011-03-06 20:10:49 <mekel> ive found pool to me more profitable.. ive discovered 5 blcoks, but have way more btc's from pool than if i had found those blocks solo
1879 2011-03-06 20:11:07 <JackRabiit> 5blocks=250$
1880 2011-03-06 20:11:08 <JackRabiit> ?
1881 2011-03-06 20:11:13 <mekel> ya
1882 2011-03-06 20:11:15 <mekel> i hav 500
1883 2011-03-06 20:11:18 <JackRabiit> erm 25BTC's
1884 2011-03-06 20:11:20 <JackRabiit> YOU SOB
1885 2011-03-06 20:11:24 <JackRabiit> actually
1886 2011-03-06 20:11:25 <JackRabiit> nvm
1887 2011-03-06 20:11:27 <JackRabiit> your not
1888 2011-03-06 20:11:29 <JackRabiit> that was uncalled for
1889 2011-03-06 20:11:33 <mekel> indeed
1890 2011-03-06 20:11:39 <JackRabiit> Im sorry
1891 2011-03-06 20:11:59 <JackRabiit> Moving on, i just started mining Yesterday, and i have .6BTC's
1892 2011-03-06 20:12:05 <JackRabiit> Thoughts?
1893 2011-03-06 20:12:10 <xelister> JackRabiit: diff sucks
1894 2011-03-06 20:12:13 <xelister> JackRabiit: =)
1895 2011-03-06 20:12:26 <JackRabiit> diff sucks?
1896 2011-03-06 20:12:28 * JackRabiit is confused
1897 2011-03-06 20:12:30 <xelister> ;; bc,stats
1898 2011-03-06 20:12:32 <gribble> Current Blocks: 112347 | Current Difficulty: 55590.23763914 | Next Difficulty At Block: 112895 | Next Difficulty In: 548 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 10 hours, 8 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 76408.14374666
1899 2011-03-06 20:12:45 <JackRabiit> WOW
1900 2011-03-06 20:12:49 <xelister> in 2 days, you will be generating x2 slower then now
1901 2011-03-06 20:12:52 <JackRabiit> big estimate in difficulty jump!
1902 2011-03-06 20:12:52 <xelister> happy? :)
1903 2011-03-06 20:12:54 <[Tycho]> JackRabiit, i'm personally thinking that investing time is over. Otherwise i would buy a lot of those $400 5970s :)
1904 2011-03-06 20:13:18 <JackRabiit> Yeah me too Tycho, thats why i asked, i think it's too late to jump on the bandwagon
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1906 2011-03-06 20:13:52 <mekel> but jack
1907 2011-03-06 20:13:57 <mekel> if u straight up bought btc's
1908 2011-03-06 20:14:00 <slush> ArtForz: 2x5970 & 1x5870 are running on Corsair 850W fine
1909 2011-03-06 20:14:02 <mekel> i think that would be a great investment
1910 2011-03-06 20:14:03 <[Tycho]> Some people do think that bitcoin will rise and investiments will be paid out.
1911 2011-03-06 20:14:21 <slush> ArtForz: on stock clock, it takes ~780W from the wall
1912 2011-03-06 20:14:31 <ArtForz> yea
1913 2011-03-06 20:14:45 <slush> well, 810W
1914 2011-03-06 20:17:56 <phantomcircuit> i wonder if i can even fit an 5870 into this case
1915 2011-03-06 20:17:57 <phantomcircuit> lol
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1917 2011-03-06 20:20:41 <JackRabiit> ArtForz, your using Pci-E risers? how are you fitting so many GPU's
1918 2011-03-06 20:20:50 <JackRabiit> they dont appear to be plugged directly into the mobo
1919 2011-03-06 20:20:55 <ArtForz> yep
1920 2011-03-06 20:21:05 <ArtForz> flexible 4" risers
1921 2011-03-06 20:21:06 <JackRabiit> Newegg got 'em ya think
1922 2011-03-06 20:21:07 <JackRabiit> ?
1923 2011-03-06 20:21:29 <ArtForz> mine are custom from china
1924 2011-03-06 20:23:37 <mekel> have u had any cards fail art?
1925 2011-03-06 20:23:46 <ArtForz> yup
1926 2011-03-06 20:24:08 <ArtForz> 2 of 2 5970s w/ AC accelero coolers
1927 2011-03-06 20:25:09 <mekel> what happened to em
1928 2011-03-06 20:26:22 <ArtForz> GPU2 VRMs dead
1929 2011-03-06 20:27:28 <ArtForz> on one one of the DrMOS chips was fucked, replaced with one off a 5870 that had a watercooling accident (yay for rework equipmemt!)
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1931 2011-03-06 20:28:38 <ArtForz> on the other all 3 GPU2 DrMOS are dead
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1933 2011-03-06 20:30:16 <JackRabiit> ArtForz i can only find right angle 1slot risers
1934 2011-03-06 20:30:18 <JackRabiit> link me?
1935 2011-03-06 20:31:31 <ArtForz> http://www.dhgate.com/pci-e-express-x16-riser-card-1-slot-with/p-ff8080812c305fe5012c367decb86967.html
1936 2011-03-06 20:33:07 <phantomcircuit> neat
1937 2011-03-06 20:35:24 <JFK911> what is "dhgate?"
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1940 2011-03-06 20:38:24 <ArtForz> JFK911: errr... google it?
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1943 2011-03-06 20:41:53 <xelister> ArtForz: "dead"? from overheating, overclocking or what? how long did they run before failed
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1948 2011-03-06 20:42:49 <ArtForz> first one was overvolted/OCed, died after about 2 months, second was OCed at stock V, lasted about 5 months
1949 2011-03-06 20:43:37 <ArtForz> GPU temps were ~60°C, GPU2 VRM temps 117°C on first one and ~110°C on second
1950 2011-03-06 20:46:28 <BlueMatt> tcatm: Is there any way your could widen the difference between red and greed on the amount column on js-remote for us red/green colorblind folk?
1951 2011-03-06 20:47:04 <sethsethseth> is it rly going to get that much harder to mine? i thought difficulty was only going up a little bit next time
1952 2011-03-06 20:47:43 <ArtForz> ;;bc,stats
1953 2011-03-06 20:47:46 <gribble> Current Blocks: 112352 | Current Difficulty: 55590.23763914 | Next Difficulty At Block: 112895 | Next Difficulty In: 543 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 9 hours, 28 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 76395.91170244
1954 2011-03-06 20:47:48 <xelister> no block since half hour?
1955 2011-03-06 20:47:54 <BlueMatt> sethsethseth: Its been exponential +- for a long time now
1956 2011-03-06 20:48:10 <BlueMatt> sethsethseth: it all depends on network strength
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1958 2011-03-06 20:50:51 <[Tycho]> sethsethseth, not quite a bit. http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin.png
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1961 2011-03-06 20:57:30 <subpar> just reading the logs - holy farm ArtForz
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1963 2011-03-06 20:57:38 <subpar> that is nuts!
1964 2011-03-06 20:58:41 <subpar> the time has long since past for that type of hardware investment
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1966 2011-03-06 20:59:17 <ArtForz> depends a lot on power cost
1967 2011-03-06 20:59:34 <subpar> about $.12/kWh here
1968 2011-03-06 20:59:46 <ArtForz> thats not too bad, still pretty risky
1969 2011-03-06 21:00:28 <subpar> yeah - prefer making something than just running up power bills with BOINC
1970 2011-03-06 21:01:07 <ArtForz> I'd guess it's still a pretty safe bet < $0.05/kWh or if you replace electrical heaters with GPUs
1971 2011-03-06 21:01:29 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, xD
1972 2011-03-06 21:01:34 <subpar> heh
1973 2011-03-06 21:01:40 <citiz3n> setup an operation in the south pole
1974 2011-03-06 21:02:06 <citiz3n> where's the thread about your new asic setup, art?
1975 2011-03-06 21:02:06 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, at what point does it become more expensive than it's worth for you?
1976 2011-03-06 21:02:09 <phantomcircuit> (for GPUs)
1977 2011-03-06 21:02:30 <ArtForz> hurrrrm
1978 2011-03-06 21:02:35 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,calc 600000
1979 2011-03-06 21:02:36 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 600000 Khps, given current difficulty of 55590.23763914 , is 4 days, 14 hours, 32 minutes, and 10 seconds
1980 2011-03-06 21:02:42 <ArtForz> about diff 250k or so
1981 2011-03-06 21:02:43 <phantomcircuit> lol wat
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1983 2011-03-06 21:04:43 <ArtForz> wait... $/btc is down to 0.8 ... so about diff 200k
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1989 2011-03-06 21:08:58 <phantomcircuit> ((50 BTC/(4 days, 14 hours, 32 minutes, and 10 seconds))*0.8 USD/BTC) = 0.000100520192 USD/s
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1991 2011-03-06 21:12:28 <xelister> no block since hour?
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1993 2011-03-06 21:12:34 <xelister> ;; bc,stats
1994 2011-03-06 21:12:36 <gribble> Current Blocks: 112357 | Current Difficulty: 55590.23763914 | Next Difficulty At Block: 112895 | Next Difficulty In: 538 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 8 hours, 56 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 76510.22998129
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1996 2011-03-06 21:14:07 <phantomcircuit> xelister, last block was at Time?: 2011-03-06 20:58:00
1997 2011-03-06 21:14:18 <phantomcircuit> so not for about 7 minutes
1998 2011-03-06 21:14:21 <phantomcircuit> which is about right
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2002 2011-03-06 21:14:31 <xelister> phantomcircuit: hm?
2003 2011-03-06 21:15:03 <Aciid> do multigpu cards tend to fail faster than single?
2004 2011-03-06 21:15:05 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, just asking because id like to purchase a cheap used video card xD
2005 2011-03-06 21:15:34 <phantomcircuit> also
2006 2011-03-06 21:16:01 <phantomcircuit> nvm
2007 2011-03-06 21:17:53 <cosurgi> those big-cluster admins are having fun, apparently.
2008 2011-03-06 21:17:53 <luke-jr> Aciid: more like OC'd
2009 2011-03-06 21:18:12 <cosurgi> joining each weekend...
2010 2011-03-06 21:18:29 <xelister> phantomcircuit: buying gfx now to mine is no longer profitable
2011 2011-03-06 21:18:52 <xelister> diff will be probably like +50% worse in a week, x2 in 2 weeks etc
2012 2011-03-06 21:19:21 <xelister> unless you want to bet the BTC value will go up a lot and you dont pay electrical bill anyway
2013 2011-03-06 21:19:24 <ArtForz> only lunatics and economists believe in infinite exponential growth ;)
2014 2011-03-06 21:19:50 <xelister> ArtForz: It doesnt have to be infinite to make mining profitless ;)
2015 2011-03-06 21:19:53 <ArtForz> = you don't have to outrun the tiger, just the other guy.
2016 2011-03-06 21:20:28 <xelister> Mowglie?
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2019 2011-03-06 21:24:52 <subpar> ;; bc,help
2020 2011-03-06 21:24:53 <gribble> Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,gen, Alias bc,gend, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,labs, Alias bc,lbs, Alias bc,markets, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,poolstats, Alias bc,prob, Alias bc,stats, Alias bc,timetonext, Alias bc,totalbc, and Alias bc,wiki
2021 2011-03-06 21:26:17 <subpar> ;; bc,calcd 45399000
2022 2011-03-06 21:26:17 <gribble> (bc,calcd <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The average time to generate a block at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [time elapsed [math calc 1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256)]]".
2023 2011-03-06 21:26:29 <subpar> ;; bc,calc 45399000
2024 2011-03-06 21:26:29 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 45399000 Khps, given current difficulty of 55590.23763914 , is 1 hour, 27 minutes, and 39 seconds
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2026 2011-03-06 21:26:59 <phantomcircuit> xelister, well i want a better gfx card anyways
2027 2011-03-06 21:27:10 <phantomcircuit> xelister, so the cost of the card is largely irrelevent
2028 2011-03-06 21:27:41 <phantomcircuit> so afaict the order of transactions in the merkle tree are entirely arbitrary
2029 2011-03-06 21:29:12 <subpar> ;; bc,estimate
2030 2011-03-06 21:29:13 <gribble> 76579.80457884
2031 2011-03-06 21:29:33 <subpar> ;; bc,stats
2032 2011-03-06 21:29:34 <gribble> Current Blocks: 112361 | Current Difficulty: 55590.23763914 | Next Difficulty At Block: 112895 | Next Difficulty In: 534 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 8 hours, 30 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 76579.80457884
2033 2011-03-06 21:29:39 <Aciid> my spidey sense is tingling a break event
2034 2011-03-06 21:29:55 <Aciid> many have been predicting it now
2035 2011-03-06 21:30:56 <Aciid> were getting closer to 1Gf/s faster now than ever
2036 2011-03-06 21:31:20 <subpar> Network total 0.721 Thash/s
2037 2011-03-06 21:31:24 <Aciid> a
2038 2011-03-06 21:31:27 <Aciid> terahash
2039 2011-03-06 21:31:34 <Aciid> but still ,
2040 2011-03-06 21:31:38 <subpar> I haven't recalled seeing anything that high
2041 2011-03-06 21:32:00 <subpar> Is anyone charting the estimated Network strength?
2042 2011-03-06 21:32:11 <Aciid> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin.png
2043 2011-03-06 21:32:13 <ArtForz> 112031-112175 avgd 267s/block -> 893Ghps
2044 2011-03-06 21:32:20 <Aciid> I dunno is this a prediction
2045 2011-03-06 21:32:25 <Aciid> or estimate
2046 2011-03-06 21:32:34 <subpar> could have sworn earlier this week was nearer 475 GH
2047 2011-03-06 21:32:43 <Aciid> in just a few months
2048 2011-03-06 21:32:48 <Aciid> look how did it climb
2049 2011-03-06 21:32:50 <Aciid> yea
2050 2011-03-06 21:32:56 <subpar> time for me to do some math to understand avg time to est hash rate
2051 2011-03-06 21:33:03 <Aciid> for fuck sakes, is someone distributing a botnet?
2052 2011-03-06 21:33:30 <Aciid> this cant be from GPU hardware, no way people would signup for this
2053 2011-03-06 21:33:45 <BlueMatt> I think the mysterious miner is a botnet
2054 2011-03-06 21:33:52 <BlueMatt> Or well thats complete guessing
2055 2011-03-06 21:34:00 <ArtForz> my guess, not a botnet in the classical sense
2056 2011-03-06 21:34:01 <Aciid> it has to be
2057 2011-03-06 21:34:15 <subpar> ArtForz: how can you see block history that far back?
2058 2011-03-06 21:34:17 <mekel> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1z9pv_lost-prophets-shinobi-vs-dragon-nin_music
2059 2011-03-06 21:34:29 <BlueMatt> maybe it head for a 500 company doing some extra work :)
2060 2011-03-06 21:34:32 <ArtForz> my money is on large .edu cluster
2061 2011-03-06 21:34:46 <subpar> ArtForz: heh - samn kids
2062 2011-03-06 21:34:50 <subpar> damn
2063 2011-03-06 21:35:05 <Aciid> suddenly a google appears
2064 2011-03-06 21:35:13 <Aciid> hurdur all your blocks are belong to us
2065 2011-03-06 21:35:19 <BlueMatt> I believe it was mentioned that they were using gavinandresen s node as a relay, maybe he could trace it
2066 2011-03-06 21:35:30 <BlueMatt> though I think he has better stuff to do
2067 2011-03-06 21:35:58 <ArtForz> shrug, as long as it's increasing network strength... who cares?
2068 2011-03-06 21:36:02 <BlueMatt> fair enough
2069 2011-03-06 21:36:22 <Aciid> ArtForz: wrongly claimed coins :\
2070 2011-03-06 21:36:37 <BlueMatt> as long as its not 50%, I dont really care that much
2071 2011-03-06 21:36:43 <Aciid> yea
2072 2011-03-06 21:36:52 <BlueMatt> just make sure you wait for a bunch of confirms for large purchases
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2077 2011-03-06 21:46:54 <phantomcircuit> ok so as i suspected the order in which tx's are added to the merkle tree is entirely arbitrary
2078 2011-03-06 21:47:08 <phantomcircuit> so the only way to know the right order is from the order they're sent in otw
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2080 2011-03-06 21:47:57 <TD> it would be interesting to know if the mystery miner is following the standard rules
2081 2011-03-06 21:48:04 <TD> or if they are accepting non standard tx structures, things like that
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2083 2011-03-06 21:48:10 <TD> presumably they modified the node for a reason
2084 2011-03-06 21:51:58 <nanotube> TD: what is the 'mystery node' ?
2085 2011-03-06 21:53:32 <TD> somebody just added a huge amount of power to the network
2086 2011-03-06 21:53:35 <TD> apparently using a modified node
2087 2011-03-06 21:53:40 <xelister> is it like mystery room at the priest's office? The one you enter pantless?
2088 2011-03-06 21:54:26 <TD> no xelister
2089 2011-03-06 21:54:29 <TD> no it is not
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2091 2011-03-06 21:54:42 <xelister> TD: how do you know :}
2092 2011-03-06 21:54:53 <xelister> tu-dum-tssh
2093 2011-03-06 21:54:53 <TD> i walked right into that one didn't i
2094 2011-03-06 21:55:15 <slush> TD: is he accepting non standard transactions?
2095 2011-03-06 21:55:15 <TD> does anyone have a link to a block mined by this guy? i'd like to see his coinbase for myself
2096 2011-03-06 21:55:25 <TD> slush: i don't know. i was just speculating. i didn't investigate it myself.
2097 2011-03-06 21:55:32 <xelister> btw what is coinbase? markelroot? hash of block?
2098 2011-03-06 21:55:40 <TD> input to first tx in a block
2099 2011-03-06 21:55:43 <TD> the one that mints new coins
2100 2011-03-06 21:55:48 <sipa> TD: i believe Raulo has some information about him
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2102 2011-03-06 21:56:37 <dirtyfilthy> "huge amount of power to the network" -- how much is that?
2103 2011-03-06 21:56:45 <xelister> over 9000?
2104 2011-03-06 21:56:51 <ArtForz> 42
2105 2011-03-06 21:57:02 <xelister> ha that reminds me
2106 2011-03-06 21:57:07 <dirtyfilthy> i'm guessing somewhere between those two values
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2108 2011-03-06 21:57:15 <TD> you guess correct
2109 2011-03-06 21:57:24 <phantomcircuit> eh so someone want to confirm that tx's are arbitrarily ordered in blocks?
2110 2011-03-06 21:57:26 <sipa> 100-200 GH/s
2111 2011-03-06 21:57:33 <Raulo> Mystery miner cannot be an edu cluster.
2112 2011-03-06 21:57:39 <ArtForz> well, not entrierly arbitrarly
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2114 2011-03-06 21:57:54 <Raulo> It's too fricking large
2115 2011-03-06 21:58:02 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, afaict it's based on when the node sees the tx
2116 2011-03-06 21:58:05 <ArtForz> errr... not really
2117 2011-03-06 21:58:11 <Raulo> 200 GH/s is like 100,000 CPU cores
2118 2011-03-06 21:58:18 <ArtForz> about 2000 teslas can do quite a bit ...
2119 2011-03-06 21:58:24 <xelister> Ù©à¹_à¹Û¶ Dad dad someone stole to LSD I bought with BitCoins
2120 2011-03-06 21:58:28 <xelister> Im affriad we have more serious problem.
2121 2011-03-06 21:58:30 <xelister> What is it?
2122 2011-03-06 21:58:32 <xelister> THERE is a dragon in the kitchen. ಠ_à²
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2125 2011-03-06 21:58:58 <sipa> it should be around 300 ATI 5970's
2126 2011-03-06 21:59:14 <xelister> sipa: makes you wonder, how many totall Ati 5970 where ever produced?
2127 2011-03-06 21:59:21 <slush> botnet?
2128 2011-03-06 21:59:21 <Raulo> There are maybe a few 2000 Tesla clusters and I bet none has 2000 teslas not in use
2129 2011-03-06 21:59:22 <sipa> hard to believe someone thought that'd be profitable
2130 2011-03-06 21:59:32 <theymos> If transaction B is dependant on transaction A, is it legal for both to appear in the same block with B before A?
2131 2011-03-06 21:59:46 <sipa> theymos: i think so
2132 2011-03-06 21:59:51 <sipa> oh
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2134 2011-03-06 21:59:54 <sipa> the other way around
2135 2011-03-06 21:59:58 <slush> botnet of average gpus can be quite profitable
2136 2011-03-06 22:00:07 <sipa> define average gpu?
2137 2011-03-06 22:00:12 <ArtForz> slush: and VERY noticable
2138 2011-03-06 22:00:20 <TD> i think security companies would pick up on that
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2140 2011-03-06 22:00:25 <ArtForz> yep
2141 2011-03-06 22:00:42 <phantomcircuit> lol yeah there would be fbi all over this channel
2142 2011-03-06 22:00:43 <phantomcircuit> xD
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2144 2011-03-06 22:00:51 <sipa> unless it's a rather small botnet of high-end gpu's, i doubt it's a botnet
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2162 2011-03-06 22:01:35 <TD> ATI found their new factory burnin procedure maybe
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2167 2011-03-06 22:02:38 <genjix> netsplit
2168 2011-03-06 22:02:47 <sipa> Your powers of observation continue to serve you well
2169 2011-03-06 22:02:56 <genjix> :)
2170 2011-03-06 22:03:03 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, anyways do you know off the top of your head if they're ordered in any meaningful way?
2171 2011-03-06 22:03:22 <TD> theymos: i believe it will work
2172 2011-03-06 22:03:26 <ArtForz> phantomcircuit: yes
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2176 2011-03-06 22:03:43 <sipa> phantomcircuit: i suppose they are ordered in the order they are accepted into the block (high-priority ones first)
2177 2011-03-06 22:03:48 <ArtForz> yep
2178 2011-03-06 22:03:49 <[Tycho]> Look, there is a dip at 1-Mar, and this day there was almost or no blocks with unusual coinbase. http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin.png
2179 2011-03-06 22:03:52 <phantomcircuit> ah
2180 2011-03-06 22:03:59 <ArtForz> order of priority
2181 2011-03-06 22:04:07 <TD> theymos: see line 3389 in main.cpp
2182 2011-03-06 22:04:13 <TD> // Connecting shouldn't fail due to dependency on other memory pool transactions
2183 2011-03-06 22:04:13 <TD> // because we're already processing them in order of dependency
2184 2011-03-06 22:04:14 <TD> map<uint256, CTxIndex> mapTestPoolTmp(mapTestPool);
2185 2011-03-06 22:04:14 <TD> if (!tx.ConnectInputs(txdb, mapTestPoolTmp, CDiskTxPos(1,1,1), pindexPrev, nFees, false, true, nMinFee))
2186 2011-03-06 22:04:14 <TD> continue;
2187 2011-03-06 22:04:29 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, ah
2188 2011-03-06 22:04:38 <TD> [Tycho]: can you link me to an example of this unusual coinbase?
2189 2011-03-06 22:04:42 <phantomcircuit> and some of those rules are local dependent
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2191 2011-03-06 22:04:53 <[Tycho]> http://blockexplorer.com/rawblock/00000000000124e679d4830300ced5a839fd8462587960f9b68bd843eddf2839
2192 2011-03-06 22:05:02 <phantomcircuit> bah there isn't really a clean way to put an ordered list into a sql db
2193 2011-03-06 22:05:12 <[Tycho]> My estimate is that he has more than 50% of network speed
2194 2011-03-06 22:05:13 <theymos> TD: Excelent, thanks. I've always been worried that I'd have to rewrite BBE's block processing to deal with cases where the order is wrong.
2195 2011-03-06 22:05:31 <phantomcircuit> i guess i could just be dumping these into json/xml/whatever files
2196 2011-03-06 22:05:34 <sipa> [Tycho]: i wrote a library that does fast calculation of merkle roots
2197 2011-03-06 22:05:41 <sipa> for slush
2198 2011-03-06 22:05:56 <sipa> and it produces coinbases like that one
2199 2011-03-06 22:05:56 <[Tycho]> Cool.
2200 2011-03-06 22:06:06 <TD> [Tycho]: sorry, what is unusual about this coinbase? i see difficulty bits and extranonce as per usual ?
2201 2011-03-06 22:06:16 <sipa> it's 2 bytes of extranonce instead of one
2202 2011-03-06 22:06:20 <phantomcircuit> theymos, "vin_sz":1, why you keeping this stuff around?
2203 2011-03-06 22:06:34 <ArtForz> thats pretty normal
2204 2011-03-06 22:06:34 <TD> oh
2205 2011-03-06 22:06:46 <sipa> the default client doesn't do so
2206 2011-03-06 22:07:04 <theymos> phantomcircuit: Getblockbycount (or maybe just the old version I'm using) produces that.
2207 2011-03-06 22:07:06 <[Tycho]> sipa, it's used only bu slush atm ?
2208 2011-03-06 22:07:14 <sipa> it wraps around the extranonce after 127
2209 2011-03-06 22:07:24 <TD> so it does. odd. i wonder why it does that.
2210 2011-03-06 22:07:28 <ArtForz> not neccesarily
2211 2011-03-06 22:07:37 <TD> ah
2212 2011-03-06 22:07:38 <TD> right
2213 2011-03-06 22:07:42 <TD> there's an && in there
2214 2011-03-06 22:08:00 <TD> if (++nExtraNonce >= 0x7f && nNow > nPrevTime+1)
2215 2011-03-06 22:08:00 <TD> {
2216 2011-03-06 22:08:00 <TD> nExtraNonce = 1;
2217 2011-03-06 22:08:00 <TD> nPrevTime = nNow;
2218 2011-03-06 22:08:01 <TD> }
2219 2011-03-06 22:08:24 <phantomcircuit> theymos, yeah but why are you keeping it, you have that implicitly in the # of tx_ins
2220 2011-03-06 22:08:41 <sipa> oh right, indeed
2221 2011-03-06 22:08:47 <slush> [Tycho]: not yet
2222 2011-03-06 22:08:48 <theymos> phantomcircuit: Doesn't hurt anything.
2223 2011-03-06 22:08:54 <slush> [Tycho]: it's for pool v2
2224 2011-03-06 22:08:56 <phantomcircuit> well im going to just dump block/tx to json files i think
2225 2011-03-06 22:08:57 <sipa> ok, so it could be a very fast default client
2226 2011-03-06 22:09:29 <ArtForz> like... a client with a few 100 miners connected to it? ;)
2227 2011-03-06 22:09:51 <slush> if it is single client, it should be very easy to trace him
2228 2011-03-06 22:10:02 <[Tycho]> Well if it's not slush, then it's The Misterious Miner
2229 2011-03-06 22:10:03 <TD> the comments in this part of the code are useless
2230 2011-03-06 22:10:07 <TD> / Update nExtraNonce.
2231 2011-03-06 22:10:13 <slush> no, it's not me :)
2232 2011-03-06 22:10:24 <TD> but nothing about why it looks at the timestamp or what the rationale for checking against 127 is
2233 2011-03-06 22:10:34 <ArtForz> and of course that stuff was changed like 10 times over the last few client releases
2234 2011-03-06 22:10:38 <phantomcircuit> slush, not necessarilly, it it's a single client then only the peers connected directly to him would be able to figure out who it is
2235 2011-03-06 22:11:26 <slush> phantomcircuit: well, if he use only small group of peers, we can find them and ask them for peer list
2236 2011-03-06 22:11:43 <slush> phantomcircuit: if he has really >200ghash, there are many block from him
2237 2011-03-06 22:12:10 <theymos> TD: Isn't it trying to reduce the size of the coinbase (which is limited to 100 bytes) without duplicating work by using the same timestamp value?
2238 2011-03-06 22:13:14 <Raulo> TD: my analysis also suggests the mystery miner has half of the network
2239 2011-03-06 22:13:27 <TD> what is that analysis based on ?
2240 2011-03-06 22:13:38 <phantomcircuit> slush, how can you tell if the blocks are from him? he could trivially use a new address for each generated block
2241 2011-03-06 22:14:04 <Raulo> Tracing correlations among arrival of blocks by IP
2242 2011-03-06 22:14:14 <slush> phantomcircuit: ^^
2243 2011-03-06 22:14:21 <phantomcircuit> the only way to reliably find miners is to do a network map and identify the origin or blocks
2244 2011-03-06 22:14:26 <[Tycho]> In last hour i saw 3 his blocks in a row
2245 2011-03-06 22:14:40 <Raulo> I traced slush's pool this way and it worked well.
2246 2011-03-06 22:14:45 <TD> theymos: sounds plausible
2247 2011-03-06 22:15:07 <phantomcircuit> Raulo, finding a pool is easy, you just look for the payments to the miners
2248 2011-03-06 22:15:36 <Raulo> No, no. I found which blocks were found by the pool when slush started 2h embargo on data
2249 2011-03-06 22:16:08 <Raulo> By listening to the traffic
2250 2011-03-06 22:17:12 <slush> (This situation makes me a little nervous. It's ok when there are big gentlemen like ArtForz, but this can be anybody with not-so-good intentions)
2251 2011-03-06 22:17:35 <Raulo> I find it hard to belive someone can control so large value GH/s and I seriously think someone found a way to find blocks via a shortcut, via some exploit in the protocol
2252 2011-03-06 22:17:44 <phantomcircuit> slush, as long as they're < 50% of the network it doesn't really matter
2253 2011-03-06 22:17:49 <TD> the blocks are self proving
2254 2011-03-06 22:18:06 <TD> if you can find a shortcut it means you've successfully attacked double sha256
2255 2011-03-06 22:18:12 <phantomcircuit> Raulo, the only way to do that is by breaking sha256
2256 2011-03-06 22:18:28 <cosurgi> unless that's an admin of Tianhe or some other big cluster. And he runs it only during weekends.
2257 2011-03-06 22:18:52 <ArtForz> again, doesnt have to be *that* big
2258 2011-03-06 22:19:22 <theymos> MyBitcoin and Bitcoin Market should really require 6 confirmations. An attacker with nearly 50% of the network can reverse transactions with fewer.
2259 2011-03-06 22:20:08 <slush> well, the best thing we can do is go to shop and buy few other 5970 now :)
2260 2011-03-06 22:20:30 <subpar> heh
2261 2011-03-06 22:20:48 <Raulo> Well, it is still highly unlikely but you don't have to break full sha256. Just find a way to get hashes with many zeroes.
2262 2011-03-06 22:21:02 <cosurgi> I tried to break sha256, I have a working code that does just that. I tested it. It breaks succesfully up to 7 bits within 10 hours. Problem is that break time grows with factorial of bits to break. Total number of bits to break here is 384. Amount of time needed is more than univere's life, my method failed.
2263 2011-03-06 22:21:34 <subpar> cosurgi: you get n A+ for effort ;-)
2264 2011-03-06 22:21:40 <cosurgi> I concluded that there is no shortcut. But I still might be wrong, just looked on the wrong side.
2265 2011-03-06 22:22:16 <phantomcircuit> cosurgi, that's a brute force attack, exactly what sha is designed to defeat
2266 2011-03-06 22:22:25 <slush> I think the bruteforce method with botnet is still far easiest and very possible
2267 2011-03-06 22:22:44 <cosurgi> nah, not brute force.
2268 2011-03-06 22:22:47 <slush> phantomcircuit: don't learn eagle to fly
2269 2011-03-06 22:22:55 <slush> phantomcircuit: I think cosurgi know how sha works :)
2270 2011-03-06 22:23:03 <ArtForz> yes, and sure to draw attention
2271 2011-03-06 22:23:03 <cosurgi> I constructed a logic polynomial, and solved it.
2272 2011-03-06 22:23:04 <phantomcircuit> lol
2273 2011-03-06 22:23:08 <phantomcircuit> Slix`, ;P
2274 2011-03-06 22:23:12 <phantomcircuit> slush, ;P
2275 2011-03-06 22:23:14 <cosurgi> a boolean polynomial, I mean.
2276 2011-03-06 22:23:27 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, sure but what's the difference?
2277 2011-03-06 22:23:32 <ArtForz> you don't consume 100% cpu on a few 100k boxes for long before someone notices
2278 2011-03-06 22:24:49 <phantomcircuit> the only way to catch someone doing that would be to intercept completed blocks
2279 2011-03-06 22:25:00 <ArtForz> neways, off to bed
2280 2011-03-06 22:25:17 <[Tycho]> Raulo, how much IPs have you user for tracing ?
2281 2011-03-06 22:25:25 <slush> Raulo: it should be interesting to know if blocks are from one IP or from more of them
2282 2011-03-06 22:25:29 <cosurgi> as a side effect I have a very efficient code for simplifying very complex boolean expressions. (think: addition of 32 bit variables :)
2283 2011-03-06 22:25:30 Zarutian has quit (Quit: Zarutian)
2284 2011-03-06 22:25:43 <slush> Raulo: as he use large extranonce, I expect second one - more IPs
2285 2011-03-06 22:27:13 <cosurgi> I noticed, that when he is working, my bitcoin server with port open to the rest of the world gets a lot more connections (like 30 instead of 11)
2286 2011-03-06 22:27:44 <cosurgi> hmm.. but currently it's only 16.
2287 2011-03-06 22:27:48 <Raulo> Not always I can be sure. But I found and IP that was not giving me almost anby blocks and suddenly it started sending me 50% of new blocks. After a day it stopped
2288 2011-03-06 22:28:09 <slush> didn't someone posted graph of connected nodes with big jump for few hours few days ago?
2289 2011-03-06 22:28:14 <genjix> does php have a large int type?
2290 2011-03-06 22:28:22 <genjix> one that doesn't overflow?
2291 2011-03-06 22:28:26 eKF-[i] has joined
2292 2011-03-06 22:28:29 <genjix> oops wrong chan
2293 2011-03-06 22:28:58 <Raulo> Before mystery miner, there was never such concentration of blocks submitted by one IP
2294 2011-03-06 22:29:47 <theymos> What IP is it?
2295 2011-03-06 22:30:26 <slush> [Tycho]: did you have any try of DoS on your pool?
2296 2011-03-06 22:30:58 <jgarzik> slush: I did
2297 2011-03-06 22:31:01 <subpar> weird - I am down to 9 connections (normally closer to 20)
2298 2011-03-06 22:31:44 hazek has joined
2299 2011-03-06 22:31:57 <Raulo> thymos: 88.217.106.237
2300 2011-03-06 22:32:12 <Raulo> But it's probably an innocent relay
2301 2011-03-06 22:32:23 <cosurgi> let's traceroute & whois that...
2302 2011-03-06 22:32:23 <slush> jgarzik: in times of your pool demo?
2303 2011-03-06 22:32:31 <Raulo> Some bitcoin deamon to which the mystery miner connected
2304 2011-03-06 22:32:33 <jgarzik> slush: yes
2305 2011-03-06 22:32:37 <theymos> It's a Tor relay.
2306 2011-03-06 22:32:39 <subpar> dang Germans
2307 2011-03-06 22:32:51 <cosurgi> huh. traceroute finds nothing..??
2308 2011-03-06 22:32:55 <slush> jgarzik: I had quite big DoS week ago, 40Mbit/s for many hours
2309 2011-03-06 22:33:06 <jgarzik> wow
2310 2011-03-06 22:33:08 Megalodon_MS has joined
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2312 2011-03-06 22:33:20 <subpar> slush: damn!
2313 2011-03-06 22:33:29 <jgarzik> neat! mtve's perl client downloads and verifies the block chain
2314 2011-03-06 22:33:34 <jgarzik> which is more than what the python thingies do
2315 2011-03-06 22:33:37 <slush> now I'm waiting for second one - if somebody push 200ghash/s & flood two biggest pools, he has >50% of the network
2316 2011-03-06 22:33:53 <[Tycho]> His wallet - http://blockexplorer.com/address/1PT3YvvKnNqT1513Vs9dZ59eU1gq7xQADc
2317 2011-03-06 22:34:07 <Raulo> Tycho: yes, it's his wallet
2318 2011-03-06 22:34:27 <[Tycho]> There was also 70k one, but can't remember.
2319 2011-03-06 22:34:28 <Raulo> 141 blocks found out of last 318
2320 2011-03-06 22:34:48 <Raulo> I didn't want to post it because it may spook him
2321 2011-03-06 22:34:48 <subpar> you folks are wicked smart
2322 2011-03-06 22:34:49 Megalodon_MS has joined
2323 2011-03-06 22:35:11 <comboy_> jgarzik: could you link to these thingies & perl client?
2324 2011-03-06 22:35:15 comboy_ is now known as comboy
2325 2011-03-06 22:35:30 <[Tycho]> What's with that unusual whitespace in BBE ? "Received BTC: 43?669.03"
2326 2011-03-06 22:35:44 <theymos> It's a thousands separator.
2327 2011-03-06 22:36:12 <[Tycho]> Raulo, some days ago people here posted links to those wallets too.
2328 2011-03-06 22:36:20 <slush> He has some common transactions on the beginning of the wallet. Maybe we can find the source and then idenitfy him
2329 2011-03-06 22:36:23 <TD> jgarzik: where is that code?
2330 2011-03-06 22:36:35 <jgarzik> mtve hasn't posted it publicly AFAIK
2331 2011-03-06 22:36:36 <Raulo> slush: he was connected to your pool
2332 2011-03-06 22:36:40 <Raulo> With this address
2333 2011-03-06 22:36:40 <[Tycho]> theymos, i don't see it in chrome and see a placeholder in IE.
2334 2011-03-06 22:36:46 <Raulo> Let me find it
2335 2011-03-06 22:36:49 <slush> lol, I'll search
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2337 2011-03-06 22:37:08 <theymos> [Tycho]: What do you see? I see it on my IE.
2338 2011-03-06 22:37:15 <TD> ah ok
2339 2011-03-06 22:37:18 <[Tycho]> Empty square.
2340 2011-03-06 22:37:26 <[Tycho]> What it should look like ?
2341 2011-03-06 22:37:32 <TD> jgarzik: does it store all transactions or does it just verify the merkle tree?
2342 2011-03-06 22:37:35 <subpar> nothing in chrome
2343 2011-03-06 22:37:54 <slush> I have them
2344 2011-03-06 22:37:58 <slush> him
2345 2011-03-06 22:38:12 <theymos> [Tycho]: It's a thin space.   I'll try using the hex HTML entity -- maybe you just don't support the named entity.
2346 2011-03-06 22:38:40 <[Tycho]> theymos, may be it's just not supported in some fonts.
2347 2011-03-06 22:38:41 <slush> it's also forum nick
2348 2011-03-06 22:38:55 Prof_BiG_BanG has joined
2349 2011-03-06 22:40:26 <sipa> slush: you could compare the IP this user used while using your pool, to the IP(s) used in that DOS?
2350 2011-03-06 22:41:35 <slush> sipa: no, it's different
2351 2011-03-06 22:41:47 <sipa> doesn't necessarily mean anything
2352 2011-03-06 22:42:03 <slush> of course
2353 2011-03-06 22:42:06 <theymos> [Tycho]: Is the thin space showing up now?
2354 2011-03-06 22:42:26 <slush> It's also different than Raulo's IP
2355 2011-03-06 22:42:30 <jgarzik> TD: no tx/block data storage AFAICS... but mtve's client does appear to have full TX and block chain verification, including supporting multiple chains etc.
2356 2011-03-06 22:42:42 <jgarzik> so it stores in RAM
2357 2011-03-06 22:42:52 <TD> nice
2358 2011-03-06 22:42:56 <TD> he is a bit further on than me
2359 2011-03-06 22:46:30 <Raulo> Anyway, if you look at his wallet, he is regularly getting 5-6 blocks per hour
2360 2011-03-06 22:46:35 <cosurgi> hmm... 88.217.106.237 belongs to tor.
2361 2011-03-06 22:46:52 <[Tycho]> theymos, nothing changed. I think that there is just no such symbol in my font.
2362 2011-03-06 22:47:25 <theymos> [Tycho]]: OK. Maybe it's because I have it set to ASCII character set. I'll just change it to a comma. Thanks.
2363 2011-03-06 22:48:00 <slush> cosurgi: what's the IP?
2364 2011-03-06 22:48:15 <slush> if he is linked to the wallet somehow, then we know who it is
2365 2011-03-06 22:48:42 <theymos> If he always uses that IP, then maybe he's just a Tor node himself.
2366 2011-03-06 22:48:44 <slush> But because he didn't do anything bad (yet), I don't want to identify them; I consider it as private info
2367 2011-03-06 22:49:22 <Raulo> Yes. Mystery miner doesn't seem to do anything sinister (yet)
2368 2011-03-06 22:49:44 <cosurgi> 23:23 < Raulo> thymos: 88.217.106.237
2369 2011-03-06 22:50:00 <Raulo> theymos: he is not using this IP now
2370 2011-03-06 22:50:49 <Raulo> I get now one-two blocks per day from this IP and yesterday night I got about 100
2371 2011-03-06 22:50:55 <cosurgi> if he uses tor network, he could be now spewing blocks from another tor node.
2372 2011-03-06 22:51:25 * comboy wants 100 blocks per day for a few days
2373 2011-03-06 22:51:51 * sipa too
2374 2011-03-06 22:52:16 <slush> cosurgi: do you think there _may_ be some shortcut for the hashing algorithm?
2375 2011-03-06 22:52:22 <slush> some real shortcut
2376 2011-03-06 22:52:52 <slush> he approved (on forum) that he understand sha256 well
2377 2011-03-06 22:52:54 <Raulo> compboy and sipa: looking at hist wallet, he got 140 blocks last 24 hour
2378 2011-03-06 22:53:33 <TD> if you could break sha256 there's probably more profitable things you can do than mine bitcoins
2379 2011-03-06 22:53:46 <comboy> was typing exactly what TD said
2380 2011-03-06 22:53:52 <Raulo> TD: I think breaking bitcoin is easier than sha256
2381 2011-03-06 22:54:08 <comboy> there may be flaws in protocol, but PoW seems rock solid
2382 2011-03-06 22:55:03 <Raulo> What if there is a statistical analysis of what to hash to get many zeroes in the hash?
2383 2011-03-06 22:55:05 <cosurgi> slush: I tried hard, and I didn't find it. Now my ideas went to lasers and toffoli gates, but it's experimental stuff, only in few laboratories. But that is only increasing the hashspeed. I tried to simplify sha256 to a shorter expression and it didn't work. I wouldn't rule out in 100% that this is not possible. Just very unlikely and a very smart person is necessary.
2384 2011-03-06 22:55:21 <Raulo> This looks like much easier problem than finding collisions
2385 2011-03-06 22:55:56 <comboy> Raulo: that is what sha's security is based on
2386 2011-03-06 22:56:38 <Raulo> comboy: I understand. But I don't think sha256 cryptoanalysis concentrates on this problem
2387 2011-03-06 22:56:56 <TD> sha256 has been studied and found to show the avalanche effect
2388 2011-03-06 22:57:23 <cosurgi> otoh... finding a hole in the protocol... might be easier. I just didn't try that.
2389 2011-03-06 22:57:24 <TD> it's quite robust. if you can show it does not avalance properly you have an academic paper right there
2390 2011-03-06 22:57:39 <comboy> Raulo: it's double sha, not a chance
2391 2011-03-06 22:57:46 <[Tycho]> Wouldn't then the coinbase be much different from usual ?
2392 2011-03-06 22:57:47 <sipa> the protocol is just a remote synchronisation mechanism
2393 2011-03-06 22:58:01 <sipa> even if someone would find a hole in it
2394 2011-03-06 22:58:07 <sipa> the blocks we see are valid
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2396 2011-03-06 22:58:55 <Raulo> OK. Just saying. But having, say, a 1000 times better probability of getting low hash than brute force is useless for general breaking of sha256 and very useful for bitcoin mining
2397 2011-03-06 22:59:41 theymos has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2398 2011-03-06 23:00:27 <comboy> Raulo: 2 things: first - double sha256 - you HAVE TO compute at least one sha. second - if you find <whatever magical> that gives you slightly better probability, it's very likely you will not be able to get advantage of SIMD, so it will be slower than just checking iterated nonces anyway
2399 2011-03-06 23:00:37 <TD> i guess i don't see why this is more likely than somebody building a cluster
2400 2011-03-06 23:00:54 <Raulo> TD: a 400 GH/s cluster
2401 2011-03-06 23:01:02 <TD> yes
2402 2011-03-06 23:01:46 <[Tycho]> 700 Radeons ?
2403 2011-03-06 23:01:48 <comboy> if somebody has this cluster, he's still better off mining than double spending
2404 2011-03-06 23:02:10 <TD> there are various blackhat groups that have large gpu clusters they use for bulk reversing of password hashes
2405 2011-03-06 23:02:21 <slush> the direct investment in such cluster must be at least 100k USD
2406 2011-03-06 23:02:29 <[Tycho]> There is at least one known renderfarm in Russia with 200 x 5970, but not 700
2407 2011-03-06 23:02:29 <slush> but probably twice more
2408 2011-03-06 23:02:37 <TD> who knows. maybe somebody decided it using one of those for mining was more profitable than hijacking ebay accounts
2409 2011-03-06 23:02:59 <Raulo> Or breaking simlocks
2410 2011-03-06 23:03:25 <TD> or some company that has a large number of GFX cards is putting them to work as a way to earn a quick buck
2411 2011-03-06 23:03:44 <TD> lots of possible explanations
2412 2011-03-06 23:03:50 <[Tycho]> Chinese gaming cafe ? :)
2413 2011-03-06 23:04:01 <jgarzik> wait until a DreamWorks intern points their renderfarm at bitcoin for a night
2414 2011-03-06 23:04:06 <TD> consider a medium sized company with 10,000 workstations, and for whatever reason each workstation has a decent GPU in it
2415 2011-03-06 23:04:19 <jgarzik> DreamWorks alone probably has 200x bitcoin network power, if not more
2416 2011-03-06 23:04:31 <comboy> jgarzik: where do I send CV?
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2418 2011-03-06 23:04:38 <jgarzik> hehe
2419 2011-03-06 23:04:54 <TD> i thought their render farm was mostly cpus and not that big?
2420 2011-03-06 23:05:17 <TD> hmm
2421 2011-03-06 23:05:18 <TD> 25k cores
2422 2011-03-06 23:05:34 <TD> so not really much impact
2423 2011-03-06 23:05:48 <TD> the network has a lot more to fear from google ;)
2424 2011-03-06 23:06:16 <[Tycho]> theymos, apostrophe would be better because now it looks like comma
2425 2011-03-06 23:07:46 <Raulo> What I worry is that the mystery miner increases the difficulty so much that small miners stop mining further assuring the MM dominance.
2426 2011-03-06 23:07:48 <joe_1> how do you get to a tor address
2427 2011-03-06 23:07:53 <joe_1> without tor
2428 2011-03-06 23:08:38 <comboy> joe_1: tor2web, but seriously get tor
2429 2011-03-06 23:08:58 <TD> i think a bigger concern is that the ability of one person or botnet to overpower the network often comes up as a reason why bitcoin will fail
2430 2011-03-06 23:09:47 <Silverpike> as total network hashrate increases, that becomes very unlikely
2431 2011-03-06 23:09:59 <Raulo> It's hard to gain anything by acting rogue but you can completely destroy the trust in bitcoin
2432 2011-03-06 23:10:12 <Silverpike> someone would have to bring online 1Th/s of hashrate to jeopardize the current network
2433 2011-03-06 23:10:31 <TD> well if this guy is 50%+ of the network, no, they'd only have to find a way to corrupt that one guy
2434 2011-03-06 23:10:35 <TD> assuming his intentions are good
2435 2011-03-06 23:10:44 <[Tycho]> Correlation shows that this dip at 1.03.11 was caused by him :) Got some blackout ? :) http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin.png
2436 2011-03-06 23:11:04 <Silverpike> but controlling 50% of the network hashrate is going to become more and more difficult as time goes on
2437 2011-03-06 23:11:05 <Raulo> Tycho: Yes, he stopped mining for about 36 hours
2438 2011-03-06 23:11:16 <Silverpike> bordering on impossible
2439 2011-03-06 23:11:19 <Raulo> And after than he started mining 3 times as fast
2440 2011-03-06 23:11:44 <[Tycho]> Upgrade then...
2441 2011-03-06 23:11:58 <comboy> "upgrades" <in neo's voice>
2442 2011-03-06 23:12:08 <comboy> shit I quoted reloaded
2443 2011-03-06 23:12:17 * comboy kills himself with a keyboard
2444 2011-03-06 23:12:26 <TD> Silverpike: right
2445 2011-03-06 23:12:30 <TD> in the long term it's a good thing
2446 2011-03-06 23:12:37 <TD> assuming the rest of the network rises to the challenge :-)
2447 2011-03-06 23:12:51 <[Tycho]> 140 kW... He isn't your usual neighbour
2448 2011-03-06 23:13:13 <phantomcircuit> [Tycho], in humboldt county is he
2449 2011-03-06 23:13:13 doublec has quit (Quit: Leaving)
2450 2011-03-06 23:13:16 <phantomcircuit> he is*
2451 2011-03-06 23:13:20 <Silverpike> but there will be a point at which mining with radeons will not be profitable
2452 2011-03-06 23:13:30 <[Tycho]> Don't think that i can get more than 30 kW to my apartment
2453 2011-03-06 23:13:53 <Silverpike> i'm worried then that the network will not be diverse
2454 2011-03-06 23:14:00 <[Tycho]> phantomcircuit, what does it means ?
2455 2011-03-06 23:14:09 <phantomcircuit> [Tycho], lol they grow lots of pot there ;)
2456 2011-03-06 23:14:10 <Silverpike> and hashing will be concentrated only in a few places
2457 2011-03-06 23:14:33 <TD> it's probably not at home
2458 2011-03-06 23:14:42 <TD> some big corporate or university facilit
2459 2011-03-06 23:14:45 <Raulo> The comfirmed MM blocks I got from 130.111.132.43
2460 2011-03-06 23:14:48 <Raulo> Today
2461 2011-03-06 23:15:02 <TD> hah
2462 2011-03-06 23:15:14 <TD> that's what you think the IP of the guys node is ?
2463 2011-03-06 23:15:38 <Raulo> Him or a relay
2464 2011-03-06 23:15:42 <TD> GW-P-Science-int.unet.maine.edu
2465 2011-03-06 23:16:16 <phantomcircuit> lol
2466 2011-03-06 23:16:32 <joe_1> someone in university of maine is generating 400 x 5970s of hash power?
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2468 2011-03-06 23:17:25 <TD> they have a HPC facility but it doesn't look powerful enough to do that, from their website
2469 2011-03-06 23:17:29 <OneFixt> gamers?
2470 2011-03-06 23:17:29 <Raulo> It;s probably a relay because low activity from this IP during last few hours
2471 2011-03-06 23:19:33 <Raulo> Now I'm getting a lot of activity from 83.150.86.112
2472 2011-03-06 23:20:16 <cosurgi> another tor node?
2473 2011-03-06 23:20:20 <slush> no
2474 2011-03-06 23:21:57 TD has quit (Quit: TD)
2475 2011-03-06 23:22:25 <cosurgi> # nmap -O 88.217.106.237
2476 2011-03-06 23:22:30 <cosurgi> Running (JUST GUESSING) : Linux 2.6.X|2.4.X (93%), Linksys Linux 2.4.X (92%), Gemtek embedded (88%), Siemens embedded (88%), Lexmark embedded (87%), OpenBSD 4.X (85%)
2477 2011-03-06 23:22:43 <cosurgi> # nmap -O 83.150.86.112
2478 2011-03-06 23:22:51 <cosurgi> All 1000 scanned ports on xdsl-83-150-86-112.nebulazone.fi (83.150.86.112) are filtered
2479 2011-03-06 23:22:53 <Raulo> I think the MM has closed 8333 and hence he connects only to 8 nodes. I'm connected to one of them and get his trafiic this way
2480 2011-03-06 23:22:54 <cosurgi> Too many fingerprints match this host to give specific OS details
2481 2011-03-06 23:23:40 <cosurgi> 88.217.106.237 has 8333 open.
2482 2011-03-06 23:23:50 <cosurgi> Interesting ports on ppp-88-217-106-237.dynamic.mnet-online.de (88.217.106.237):
2483 2011-03-06 23:23:52 devon_hillard has quit (Quit: Leaving)
2484 2011-03-06 23:23:54 <cosurgi> Not shown: 996 filtered ports
2485 2011-03-06 23:23:56 <cosurgi> PORT STATE SERVICE
2486 2011-03-06 23:23:59 <cosurgi> 22/tcp open ssh
2487 2011-03-06 23:24:01 <cosurgi> 443/tcp open https
2488 2011-03-06 23:24:04 <cosurgi> 8081/tcp closed blackice-icecap
2489 2011-03-06 23:24:06 <cosurgi> 8333/tcp open unknown
2490 2011-03-06 23:24:35 <Raulo> cosurgi: I think all I got is not MM but a distance 1 node to MM
2491 2011-03-06 23:24:42 <cosurgi> ok.
2492 2011-03-06 23:25:12 <cosurgi> # ssh bitcoin@88.217.106.237
2493 2011-03-06 23:25:14 <slush> Raulo: yes, asking those nodes for the peer list and compare them should be interesting
2494 2011-03-06 23:25:14 <cosurgi> :-E
2495 2011-03-06 23:26:06 <Raulo> slush: Yes, but it's dynamic. The MM is probably not connected to the old ones
2496 2011-03-06 23:26:51 <[Tycho]> Raulo, how much connects with network do you have simutlaneously ?
2497 2011-03-06 23:27:02 <[Tycho]> *how many
2498 2011-03-06 23:27:02 doublec has joined
2499 2011-03-06 23:27:17 <Raulo> 30 right now. I sometimes peak at 90
2500 2011-03-06 23:27:36 <[Tycho]> It's enough for tracing ?
2501 2011-03-06 23:29:08 <Raulo> I don't know but I normally get max 10% traffic out of each and if I get 50%, it's betting suspicous
2502 2011-03-06 23:29:35 <Raulo> getting*
2503 2011-03-06 23:31:03 <cosurgi> ok, I must sleep, gn.
2504 2011-03-06 23:36:29 molecular has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
2505 2011-03-06 23:37:04 afed has joined
2506 2011-03-06 23:37:08 <afed> yes hello
2507 2011-03-06 23:37:17 <afed> how do you gentlemen control the fan speed of more than one ati card on linux?
2508 2011-03-06 23:38:11 <sipa> DISPLAY=:0.1 aticonfig --pplib-cmd "set fanspeed 0 70"
2509 2011-03-06 23:38:19 <afed> ah!
2510 2011-03-06 23:38:20 <afed> thanks
2511 2011-03-06 23:38:30 <cosurgi> $ cat MON.sh
2512 2011-03-06 23:38:30 <cosurgi> #!/bin/bash
2513 2011-03-06 23:38:30 <cosurgi> export DISPLAY=:0.0
2514 2011-03-06 23:38:30 <cosurgi> sleep 1 ;
2515 2011-03-06 23:38:30 <cosurgi> aticonfig --pplib-cmd 'set fanspeed 0 100' > /dev/null ;
2516 2011-03-06 23:38:32 <cosurgi> export DISPLAY=:0.1
2517 2011-03-06 23:38:34 <cosurgi> sleep 1 ;
2518 2011-03-06 23:38:37 <cosurgi> aticonfig --pplib-cmd 'set fanspeed 0 100' > /dev/null ;
2519 2011-03-06 23:38:39 <cosurgi> export DISPLAY=:0.2
2520 2011-03-06 23:38:42 <cosurgi> sleep 1 ;
2521 2011-03-06 23:38:45 <cosurgi> aticonfig --pplib-cmd 'set fanspeed 0 100' > /dev/null ;
2522 2011-03-06 23:38:49 <cosurgi> goodnight
2523 2011-03-06 23:39:04 <subpar> nice sign off
2524 2011-03-06 23:39:09 ThomasV has joined
2525 2011-03-06 23:40:04 <afed> thx for the script cosurgi
2526 2011-03-06 23:40:10 akem has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2527 2011-03-06 23:40:12 <comboy> cosurgi: you have this script added at 7am as alarm clock?
2528 2011-03-06 23:40:14 <afed> as a point of unix, it shouldn't be necessary to export those variables since they are only used locally
2529 2011-03-06 23:42:10 <sipa> afed: indeed :)
2530 2011-03-06 23:42:52 ThomasV has left ()
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2533 2011-03-06 23:43:51 <phantomcircuit> afed, are they?
2534 2011-03-06 23:44:49 larsig has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2535 2011-03-06 23:45:10 <afed> i wonder why i can't gettemperature on my other box now
2536 2011-03-06 23:45:26 <afed> just hangs with no output
2537 2011-03-06 23:45:45 Sedo has quit ()
2538 2011-03-06 23:47:08 larsig has joined
2539 2011-03-06 23:48:52 <[Tycho]> I don't see his blocks appearing now...
2540 2011-03-06 23:49:01 <[Tycho]> May be he fixed something :)
2541 2011-03-06 23:49:53 <phantomcircuit> [Tycho], maybe he's here watching you try and track him
2542 2011-03-06 23:49:54 <phantomcircuit> ;)
2543 2011-03-06 23:50:21 molecular has joined
2544 2011-03-06 23:51:02 <[Tycho]> May be he noticed our chatting and gone fixing this :)
2545 2011-03-06 23:51:23 <[Tycho]> Or firewalling that.
2546 2011-03-06 23:52:01 <phantomcircuit> all he'd have to do is randomize which peers he broadcast generated blocks to
2547 2011-03-06 23:52:13 <[Tycho]> No.
2548 2011-03-06 23:52:18 <phantomcircuit> that's basically all you'd need to become more or less invisible
2549 2011-03-06 23:53:16 <[Tycho]> 8 blocks in a row without him
2550 2011-03-06 23:53:35 <phantomcircuit> how would you know if it was him?
2551 2011-03-06 23:53:50 <[Tycho]> By coinbase.
2552 2011-03-06 23:53:51 <phantomcircuit> generate a new address for each block and broadcast it to a random peer
2553 2011-03-06 23:54:07 <[Tycho]> Last one was 40 min ago.
2554 2011-03-06 23:54:13 <phantomcircuit> coinbase?
2555 2011-03-06 23:54:13 <phantomcircuit> wat
2556 2011-03-06 23:54:44 <phantomcircuit> oh
2557 2011-03-06 23:54:56 <phantomcircuit> the nonce in the minting tx
2558 2011-03-06 23:55:03 <phantomcircuit> well that can be anything...
2559 2011-03-06 23:55:20 <[Tycho]> Not really anything.
2560 2011-03-06 23:55:32 <[Tycho]> Old or custom bitcoind can be noticed.
2561 2011-03-06 23:55:39 <phantomcircuit> oh
2562 2011-03-06 23:55:51 <phantomcircuit> but it could be anybody with an old bitcoind
2563 2011-03-06 23:55:57 <phantomcircuit> or even a custom one
2564 2011-03-06 23:56:23 DrEeevil is now known as bonsaikitten
2565 2011-03-06 23:56:24 <[Tycho]> Yeah, but not with that speed.
2566 2011-03-06 23:57:20 <phantomcircuit> what's the pattern?
2567 2011-03-06 23:57:37 <[Tycho]> Read the discussion earlier here.