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  12 2011-03-18 00:39:41 <theymos> Bitcoin Block Explorer is telling me that testnet had a reorg more than 5 blocks long. Did that actually happen or is that a bug?
  13 2011-03-18 00:40:45 <theymos> Somewhere around 10916.
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  15 2011-03-18 00:41:45 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,calcd 600000 1
  16 2011-03-18 00:41:46 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 600000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 7 seconds
  17 2011-03-18 00:42:03 <phantomcircuit> theymos, doesnt seem unreasonable to me
  18 2011-03-18 00:48:25 <jgarzik> hrm
  19 2011-03-18 00:48:37 <jgarzik> what is the no-detach bitcoind command line arg?
  20 2011-03-18 00:49:12 <theymos> -printtoconsole, I believe. Not sure if it works, though.
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  23 2011-03-18 00:57:15 <luke-jr> jgarzik: it's default
  24 2011-03-18 00:58:43 <genjix> jgarzik: you need tcatm's daemon-mode patch if you don't have it already.
  25 2011-03-18 00:59:04 <genjix> *get rid of
  26 2011-03-18 00:59:53 <jgarzik> genjix: yeah, I'm discovering that.  Looks like we need an option to turn off daemonize.
  27 2011-03-18 01:00:12 <jgarzik> genjix: unconditional daemonize is unfriendly to debugger
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  32 2011-03-18 01:07:52 <jgarzik> genjix: "britcoin" -- cute :)
  33 2011-03-18 01:09:05 Syke has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  34 2011-03-18 01:09:26 <genjix> :)
  35 2011-03-18 01:09:57 <genjix> (actually my sister posted that on the forums and i stole it off her)
  36 2011-03-18 01:10:26 <joepie91> okay, so I just got an email from my registrar complaining about "promoting hacking" on my site, lmfao
  37 2011-03-18 01:10:50 <xelister> joepie91: what 'hacking'?
  38 2011-03-18 01:10:57 <joepie91> it's anonnews.
  39 2011-03-18 01:11:03 <joepie91> they see a press platform as something promoting hacking
  40 2011-03-18 01:11:32 <joepie91> in that case, the NOS (dutch broadcasting company) should be shut down as well - they even posted a link to an instructional video on LOIC, including download link for LOIC itself
  41 2011-03-18 01:11:38 <joepie91> aka this is bullshit
  42 2011-03-18 01:11:38 <joepie91> :P
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  44 2011-03-18 01:24:47 <JFK911> yeah shut down the dutch government broadcaster
  45 2011-03-18 01:25:00 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
  46 2011-03-18 01:25:01 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.88,"low":0.81,"vol":6977,"buy":0.8241,"sell":0.8507,"last":0.8506}}
  47 2011-03-18 01:25:33 <JFK911> ;;bc,calc 400000
  48 2011-03-18 01:25:34 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 400000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 1 week, 2 days, 11 hours, 15 minutes, and 26 seconds
  49 2011-03-18 01:28:42 <joepie91> ;;help
  50 2011-03-18 01:28:42 <gribble> The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/
  51 2011-03-18 01:28:51 <joepie91> ;;commands
  52 2011-03-18 01:28:52 <gribble> ?, about, action, add, alert, alias, announce, announce add, announce list, announce remove, any, aol, apply, apropos, at, auth, author, azn, ban add, ban list, ban remove, base, bashorg, bc,bcm, bc,blocks, bc,btcex, bc,calc, bc,calcd, bc,diff, bc,estimate, bc,gen, bc,gend, bc,help, bc,hextarget, bc,labs, bc,lbs, bc,markets, bc,mtgox, bc,nexttarget, bc,poolstats, bc,prob, bc,stats, (7 more messages)
  53 2011-03-18 01:29:14 <joepie91> ;;bc;stats
  54 2011-03-18 01:29:15 <gribble> Error: "bc;stats" is not a valid command.
  55 2011-03-18 01:29:20 <joepie91> ;;bc,stats
  56 2011-03-18 01:29:22 <gribble> Current Blocks: 113959 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 952 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 14 hours, 12 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 66983.29293969
  57 2011-03-18 01:29:26 <joepie91> hm
  58 2011-03-18 01:29:36 <joepie91> how can I get the estimated amount of bitcoins in circulation?
  59 2011-03-18 01:30:22 <theymos> ;;bc,totalbc
  60 2011-03-18 01:30:23 <gribble> 5697950.00000000
  61 2011-03-18 01:30:31 <joepie91> ok, thanks :)
  62 2011-03-18 01:31:06 <genjix> joepie91: hey you own anonnews?
  63 2011-03-18 01:31:24 <joepie91> yup
  64 2011-03-18 01:31:28 <genjix> brofist
  65 2011-03-18 01:31:31 <joepie91> lol
  66 2011-03-18 01:31:36 <genjix> i started titstorm with a friend
  67 2011-03-18 01:31:41 <joepie91> o, srsly?
  68 2011-03-18 01:31:43 <genjix> yeah
  69 2011-03-18 01:31:54 <genjix> i was travelling at the time too
  70 2011-03-18 01:32:01 <genjix> and then went offline for a few days
  71 2011-03-18 01:32:08 <genjix> (2-3 days)
  72 2011-03-18 01:32:18 <joepie91> heh
  73 2011-03-18 01:32:21 <joepie91> well, still very nice :P
  74 2011-03-18 01:32:26 <genjix> when i came back it was all new people handling everything
  75 2011-03-18 01:32:40 <genjix> was awesome how dynamic everything is
  76 2011-03-18 01:32:42 <joepie91> that tends to happen :P
  77 2011-03-18 01:32:45 <joepie91> indeed
  78 2011-03-18 01:32:53 <joepie91> I've seen crazy things happen over the past few weeks as well
  79 2011-03-18 01:33:10 <genjix> do you use linux?
  80 2011-03-18 01:33:20 <genjix> function spider4chan() { wget -P pics -H -nd -r -Dimages.4chan.org -A '.jpg,.jpeg,.png,.gif,' -erobots=off "$1"; }
  81 2011-03-18 01:33:23 <joepie91> on my main box I do, and on my laptop I do as well
  82 2011-03-18 01:33:27 <joepie91> but atm I'm on a windows box
  83 2011-03-18 01:33:28 <genjix> add that to the bottom of your .bashrc
  84 2011-03-18 01:33:34 <joepie91> lol
  85 2011-03-18 01:33:38 <genjix> (it downloads all the images in a thread)
  86 2011-03-18 01:33:39 <joepie91> downloads all shit from b
  87 2011-03-18 01:33:42 <joepie91> ohwait
  88 2011-03-18 01:33:45 <joepie91> just one thread?
  89 2011-03-18 01:33:46 <genjix> no, just from one thread
  90 2011-03-18 01:33:48 <genjix> yeah
  91 2011-03-18 01:33:53 <joepie91> err
  92 2011-03-18 01:33:53 <genjix> so you get all the funny pics
  93 2011-03-18 01:34:03 <joepie91> ... where does it define the thread url
  94 2011-03-18 01:34:04 <joepie91> ohwait
  95 2011-03-18 01:34:06 <joepie91> nvm
  96 2011-03-18 01:34:07 <genjix> instead of opening 100 tabs
  97 2011-03-18 01:34:07 <joepie91> >.<
  98 2011-03-18 01:34:15 <joepie91> I got another crawler script for that
  99 2011-03-18 01:34:18 <joepie91> :P
 100 2011-03-18 01:34:19 <genjix> spider4chan http://name of thread..
 101 2011-03-18 01:34:26 <genjix> ok
 102 2011-03-18 01:34:32 <joepie91> ye, my script checks every X time
 103 2011-03-18 01:34:33 <joepie91> for new pics
 104 2011-03-18 01:34:36 <joepie91> and downloads all new pics
 105 2011-03-18 01:35:28 <genjix> k. that's just for one thread since i often want to fetch all the pics but am too lazy to click all of them :p
 106 2011-03-18 01:35:30 <joepie91> didn't write it myself btw :P
 107 2011-03-18 01:35:32 <joepie91> heh
 108 2011-03-18 01:35:36 <joepie91> downthemall :)
 109 2011-03-18 01:35:47 <joepie91> sometimes works better
 110 2011-03-18 01:35:52 <genjix> anonnews is awesome... i sometimes read that site.
 111 2011-03-18 01:36:08 <joepie91> heh, credit the people who submit stuff :P
 112 2011-03-18 01:36:14 <joepie91> which is basically... all of anon
 113 2011-03-18 01:37:07 <genjix> i saw a new operation the other day to get loads of men from dating sites to meet up at the same place by posing as attractive wimmins
 114 2011-03-18 01:37:30 gavinandresen has joined
 115 2011-03-18 01:37:56 <genjix> i tried a few times to promote bitcoins to anon, but mostly they ignore it cos attention spans are low.
 116 2011-03-18 01:38:05 <joepie91> heh
 117 2011-03-18 01:38:06 <joepie91> actually
 118 2011-03-18 01:38:13 <joepie91> there are quite some bitcoin users on anonops
 119 2011-03-18 01:38:18 <joepie91> and I just lured in 3 or 4 new users
 120 2011-03-18 01:38:24 <joepie91> by promising them 0.50 :P
 121 2011-03-18 01:39:42 <genjix> maybe. you'd think it'd appealing.
 122 2011-03-18 01:39:58 <joepie91> subject regularly comes up there
 123 2011-03-18 01:40:03 <joepie91> made a bitcoin channel there yesterday
 124 2011-03-18 01:40:07 <joepie91> might help to promote it a bit
 125 2011-03-18 01:40:13 <genjix> esp considering all those posts about blogger cross linking
 126 2011-03-18 01:40:20 <genjix> for a few pennies.
 127 2011-03-18 01:41:09 <genjix> > pool funds
 128 2011-03-18 01:41:15 <genjix> > type lots of responses
 129 2011-03-18 01:41:29 <genjix> > pay chinese people to samefag threads
 130 2011-03-18 01:41:37 <joepie91> huh
 131 2011-03-18 01:41:40 <joepie91> blogger cross linking?
 132 2011-03-18 01:42:07 <genjix> yep. you get paid for high subscribing blogs that generate advertising traffic.
 133 2011-03-18 01:42:21 <genjix> so people make blogs and subscribe to each other on 4chan.
 134 2011-03-18 01:42:33 overtorque has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 135 2011-03-18 01:42:36 <genjix> surely you've seen the posts
 136 2011-03-18 01:43:03 <joepie91> no :P
 137 2011-03-18 01:43:06 <joepie91> I don't frequent /b/ often
 138 2011-03-18 01:43:33 <genjix> oh
 139 2011-03-18 01:44:15 <jgarzik> [Tycho], slush: any chance you can add Digest authentication to your pool server?  It is preferred over Basic, even though bitcoind does not support it.  Supporting Digest authentication is an easy way to make those worker auth's slightly more secure...
 140 2011-03-18 01:44:41 * jgarzik will add to cpuminer, if even one pool server will support Digest
 141 2011-03-18 01:44:56 dwdollar has joined
 142 2011-03-18 01:46:08 <jgarzik> dwdollar: FYI, http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4504.0
 143 2011-03-18 01:48:58 <dwdollar> Hey someone noticed on the forum...:) I'll respond.
 144 2011-03-18 01:51:06 Bth8 has joined
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 146 2011-03-18 01:57:30 <Keefe> ;;seen MagicalTux
 147 2011-03-18 01:57:31 <gribble> MagicalTux was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 1 day, 14 hours, 25 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <MagicalTux> lfm: no :D
 148 2011-03-18 01:58:37 <joepie91> gribble very much reminds me of supybot
 149 2011-03-18 01:58:46 <MagicalTux> Keefe, ?
 150 2011-03-18 01:58:51 <joepie91> lol.
 151 2011-03-18 01:59:06 <Keefe> hi MagicalTux.i hope you're still alright in Japan. just want to point out that a couple people might need some PR on the forum
 152 2011-03-18 01:59:17 <Keefe> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4558.0
 153 2011-03-18 01:59:39 <MagicalTux> Keefe, let me check
 154 2011-03-18 01:59:54 <MagicalTux> right now being in a hotel with just a laptop and a 3G wifi adapter doesn't make things easy
 155 2011-03-18 02:00:05 <MagicalTux> thanks for the info
 156 2011-03-18 02:01:15 <joepie91> ;;help topic
 157 2011-03-18 02:01:16 <gribble> (topic [<channel>]) -- Returns the topic for <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
 158 2011-03-18 02:01:23 <joepie91> ah, only works for channels here
 159 2011-03-18 02:02:00 <joepie91> ;;list web
 160 2011-03-18 02:02:01 <gribble> doctype, fetch, headers, netcraft, size, title, urlquote, and urlunquote
 161 2011-03-18 02:02:12 <joepie91> ;;help web title
 162 2011-03-18 02:02:13 <gribble> (web title <url>) -- Returns the HTML <title>...</title> of a URL.
 163 2011-03-18 02:02:37 <joepie91> does freenode provide botserv?
 164 2011-03-18 02:04:03 <joepie91> if there is _anything_ that kicks/bans users on command in the channels where gribble is active... it is exploitable :)
 165 2011-03-18 02:04:22 <joepie91> (when gribble has a sufficient access level to command kicks/bans, that is)
 166 2011-03-18 02:04:45 jostmey has left ()
 167 2011-03-18 02:05:07 <gavinandresen> theymos here?
 168 2011-03-18 02:05:11 <theymos> Yes.
 169 2011-03-18 02:05:39 <gavinandresen> the -testnet block chain apparent split was probably me messing around with a lower-difficulty client hack
 170 2011-03-18 02:06:11 <gavinandresen> ... I'm guessing block explorer assumes that blocks it sees actually have the right difficulty (it doesn't check, right)?
 171 2011-03-18 02:06:25 <joepie91> ;;web title http://pastebin.com/47htWtX6
 172 2011-03-18 02:06:25 <theymos> It doesn't, but it gets blocks from Bitcoin.
 173 2011-03-18 02:06:26 <gribble> !kick I could exploit the bot like this - Pastebin.com
 174 2011-03-18 02:06:32 <joepie91> ^
 175 2011-03-18 02:07:05 <gavinandresen> Ah, so maybe it wasn't me (your bitcoin should definitely reject the blocks I was generating)
 176 2011-03-18 02:07:46 <theymos> gavinandresen: Yeah. I'm pretty sure there was a real, large reorg (going at least 5 blocks back).
 177 2011-03-18 02:08:16 <gavinandresen> theymos:  wouldn't surprise me, it's pretty easy to overwhelm testnet.
 178 2011-03-18 02:08:36 <genjix> ;;web title http://pastebin.com/YnvcM3Ur
 179 2011-03-18 02:08:36 <gribble> /kick gavinandresen - Pastebin.com
 180 2011-03-18 02:08:38 <genjix> :D
 181 2011-03-18 02:08:41 <joepie91> ye
 182 2011-03-18 02:08:44 <joepie91> see my point? :P
 183 2011-03-18 02:08:49 <genjix> nope.
 184 2011-03-18 02:08:50 <joepie91> if you have a botserv...
 185 2011-03-18 02:08:58 <joepie91> someone would have a problem now
 186 2011-03-18 02:09:00 <joepie91> :P
 187 2011-03-18 02:09:34 <joepie91> it's a sort of vulnerability in supybot
 188 2011-03-18 02:09:40 <joepie91> not exactly a vuln either
 189 2011-03-18 02:09:47 <joepie91> but definitely something that might need some work
 190 2011-03-18 02:10:36 <genjix> i'll remember that for when such a bot exists. thanks.
 191 2011-03-18 02:10:43 <genjix> handy tool.
 192 2011-03-18 02:10:54 * joepie91 wonders if and when his domain is going to be suspended
 193 2011-03-18 02:11:29 <genjix> seriously?
 194 2011-03-18 02:11:46 <genjix> how can they suspend your domain
 195 2011-03-18 02:11:58 <genjix> i suggest you go with someone who'll protect you.
 196 2011-03-18 02:12:04 <genjix> like thepiratebay hosts
 197 2011-03-18 02:12:19 <joepie91> mhmm
 198 2011-03-18 02:12:24 <joepie91> my budget is relatively limited
 199 2011-03-18 02:12:25 <joepie91> :P
 200 2011-03-18 02:12:46 <joepie91> and tbh, I don't particularly expect them to actually shut me down or anything
 201 2011-03-18 02:13:02 <joepie91> so far they have always been reasonable, even when paypal played up and I was a month late in paying my bills
 202 2011-03-18 02:13:24 <joepie91> somehow they held the domain outside the 30 day "cool off" period
 203 2011-03-18 02:13:30 <joepie91> so meh
 204 2011-03-18 02:13:30 <theymos> PRQ (pirate bay host) resells domains from another company, so that is not safe.
 205 2011-03-18 02:13:39 <joepie91> meh
 206 2011-03-18 02:13:42 <joepie91> if ICANN wants you gone
 207 2011-03-18 02:13:45 <joepie91> you are gone anyway
 208 2011-03-18 02:13:46 <joepie91> lol
 209 2011-03-18 02:15:04 <joepie91> anyhow
 210 2011-03-18 02:15:07 <joepie91> I am going to sleep
 211 2011-03-18 02:15:14 <joepie91> it's 3;14 already
 212 2011-03-18 02:15:16 <joepie91> so goodnight all
 213 2011-03-18 02:18:20 <genjix> bastards
 214 2011-03-18 02:21:15 <MagicalTux> joepie91, it's 44 days autorenewal period
 215 2011-03-18 02:21:20 <MagicalTux> then 7 days redemption
 216 2011-03-18 02:24:01 <bitcoiner> drop of price...
 217 2011-03-18 02:24:15 <bitcoiner> it goins down
 218 2011-03-18 02:24:33 <bitcoiner> art u at it ?
 219 2011-03-18 02:26:12 kpkarl has joined
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 221 2011-03-18 02:27:18 <MagicalTux> mmh
 222 2011-03-18 02:28:41 <mmagic> lol, storm of activity, interesting.
 223 2011-03-18 02:28:46 <ArtForz> nope, not me
 224 2011-03-18 02:29:06 sabalaba has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
 225 2011-03-18 02:30:22 <MagicalTux> mh
 226 2011-03-18 02:30:23 wolfspraul has quit (Quit: leaving)
 227 2011-03-18 02:30:29 <MagicalTux> someone selling a bunch of btc
 228 2011-03-18 02:30:39 <mmagic> bit of a top-heavy market that's for sure.
 229 2011-03-18 02:31:45 <genjix> check my prediction and see the first posts, http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3396.0
 230 2011-03-18 02:31:48 <theymos> Wow. I wish I had some money in MtGox or PayPal so I could buy.
 231 2011-03-18 02:31:50 <genjix> what did i say? :)
 232 2011-03-18 02:33:30 ZenMondo has joined
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 234 2011-03-18 02:35:25 <mmagic> lol one blocker left , 6000 @ $0.72
 235 2011-03-18 02:35:47 <Blitzboom> good
 236 2011-03-18 02:36:07 <Blitzboom> we need someone to buy everything up, lol
 237 2011-03-18 02:36:34 <mmagic> no, that's my point, all the buyers are having their orders satisfied
 238 2011-03-18 02:37:01 <Blitzboom> yeah. this inflation is way too high in comparison to the new influx of funds
 239 2011-03-18 02:37:15 Slix` has joined
 240 2011-03-18 02:37:16 <mmagic> not enough buyers..
 241 2011-03-18 02:37:35 <Blitzboom> i still don’t get why the inflation is highest to begin with in bitcoin
 242 2011-03-18 02:37:46 <mmagic> i'm not sure what you're talking about.
 243 2011-03-18 02:38:00 <Blitzboom> i mean the block reward
 244 2011-03-18 02:38:20 <Blitzboom> it should be less and steadily going up as time passes, then decreasing again
 245 2011-03-18 02:38:22 <mmagic> it's completely arbitrary and divisible to 8 decimal places..?
 246 2011-03-18 02:38:29 <Blitzboom> but not a 50 BTC maximum at the first four years
 247 2011-03-18 02:38:40 <mmagic> no, it's designed to be deflationary
 248 2011-03-18 02:38:58 jaminja has joined
 249 2011-03-18 02:39:04 <Blitzboom> http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/images/2008/world-gold-mine-production-dec08.jpg
 250 2011-03-18 02:39:05 defaced has quit (Quit: Leaving)
 251 2011-03-18 02:39:08 <Blitzboom> this is the gold supply
 252 2011-03-18 02:39:20 <Blitzboom> as more people begin to mine, you dig out more gold
 253 2011-03-18 02:39:28 <Blitzboom> but gold is still finite and you’ll hit a peak
 254 2011-03-18 02:40:07 <Blitzboom> maybe this would be economically better
 255 2011-03-18 02:40:14 <ArtForz> wild-ass guess, someone is trying to move the market
 256 2011-03-18 02:40:29 <mmagic> ฿ ≠ gold..
 257 2011-03-18 02:41:01 <Blitzboom> mmagic: i never said that
 258 2011-03-18 02:41:08 <ArtForz> fill a decent chunk of bids, plop down a lower bid totalling the same, ???, profit!
 259 2011-03-18 02:41:11 <mmagic> i know, but you're making a comparison..
 260 2011-03-18 02:41:21 <ArtForz> where ??? is "wait for sheep to panic sell"
 261 2011-03-18 02:41:35 <mmagic> ArtForz: haha sounds familiar
 262 2011-03-18 02:41:40 <Blitzboom> i’m just saying that the current inflation rate cannot keep up with the demand, mmagic
 263 2011-03-18 02:42:07 <Blitzboom> err, the demand cannot keep up with the inflation
 264 2011-03-18 02:42:29 <mmagic> Blitzboom: sure it can, because they're divisible. you can't take a gold coin and divide it up without re-smelting it and making sure that everyone agrees the new coin is a coin.
 265 2011-03-18 02:42:55 <Blitzboom> i don’t compare bitcoin to gold
 266 2011-03-18 02:42:56 <mmagic> they've already agreed to the rules of ฿, and it's divisible..
 267 2011-03-18 02:43:03 <Blitzboom> i’m just looking at the inflation now
 268 2011-03-18 02:43:16 <Blitzboom> and i think 50% of the total supply in the first four years of a currency is a bit high
 269 2011-03-18 02:43:37 * mmagic just found .XCompose, xmodmap, and some Unicode fonts and is happy :)
 270 2011-03-18 02:44:54 <sgornick> "Some people, when confronted with numbers, think "I know, I'll add them with JavaScript." Now they have 1.99999999999997 problems."  http://twitter.com/garybernhardt/status/47763404672344064
 271 2011-03-18 02:44:55 <mmagic> Blitzboom: but why?
 272 2011-03-18 02:45:13 <Blitzboom> mmagic: to prevent "bubbles" like this which could destroy the faith in the currency
 273 2011-03-18 02:45:28 <ArtForz> oh well, can't complain, got ~1kbtc < $0.72
 274 2011-03-18 02:45:31 <Blitzboom> and to distribute the bitcoins initially more even
 275 2011-03-18 02:46:23 <mmagic> the bubbles/(opposite of bubbles) will happen anyway if you have a set rate of money production, based on demand and penetration
 276 2011-03-18 02:46:56 <lfm> Blitzboom: you are not the first newbie to think bitcoin should be more generous to newbies and you wont be the last. it might be more convincing if it wasn't so self-serving.
 277 2011-03-18 02:47:22 <Blitzboom> lfm: i don’t care, i have many bitcoins
 278 2011-03-18 02:47:28 <mmagic> i would say the nature of the reward is very fair. people who throw large $$/€/£ at it, are rewarded similarly.
 279 2011-03-18 02:47:45 <Blitzboom> fairness is not my argument
 280 2011-03-18 02:47:57 <Blitzboom> i just think it would be economically better
 281 2011-03-18 02:48:08 <Blitzboom> no morals involved here
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 283 2011-03-18 02:48:35 <mmagic> then define "fair" as "self-servingly network-strengthening"
 284 2011-03-18 02:48:44 <lfm> better for who tho? better in what way. seems bitcoin is actually doing quite well as it is
 285 2011-03-18 02:48:50 <mmagic> else, what's the incentive to make the network stronger?
 286 2011-03-18 02:49:24 <Blitzboom> yeah, i guess that’s a good argument
 287 2011-03-18 02:50:13 <mmagic> if you think there's a better way, or a more fair way, or a better economics-based reason (beyond just using the word) then post it, fork bitcoin, build a new genesis block, and see who joins. :)
 288 2011-03-18 02:50:36 <Blitzboom> nah, i’m ok with this personally :P
 289 2011-03-18 02:50:43 <Blitzboom> as i would profit
 290 2011-03-18 02:51:03 <Blitzboom> i just hope that it won’t discourage newcomers
 291 2011-03-18 02:51:50 <mmagic> newcomers arrive with a sense of entitlement, and are drains because there's not much point in carrying people who aren't interested in actually strengthening the currency in its formative years.
 292 2011-03-18 02:51:59 <lfm> you cant please everyone
 293 2011-03-18 02:52:25 <mmagic> other newcomers don't, and those are the ones we need as long-term supporters.
 294 2011-03-18 02:53:21 <Blitzboom> i still think it’s somewhat crazy to spit out 50% of an unknown currency’s supply in the first four years
 295 2011-03-18 02:53:35 <Blitzboom> although i’m not sure about the implications of this
 296 2011-03-18 02:53:46 <Blitzboom> but we’ll see
 297 2011-03-18 02:54:23 <mmagic> i think spreading it around as widely as possible is the best way to get it into peoples' hands.
 298 2011-03-18 02:54:33 <lfm> you think it should be less or more?
 299 2011-03-18 02:54:54 <Blitzboom> less of course
 300 2011-03-18 02:55:36 <mmagic> less..  but more evenly.
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 303 2011-03-18 02:56:23 <lfm> I don't see what stringing it out longer would accomplish
 304 2011-03-18 02:56:40 <mmagic> you know, you really should make more effort to keep people from guessing what the heck you mean. why don't you go post on the forum a fully fleshed-out argument, put some historical data or analyses in there, etc.
 305 2011-03-18 02:56:57 <mmagic> then it's not lost in the s:n ratio in here.
 306 2011-03-18 02:57:03 <theymos> The goal was probably to eliminate inflation as soon as possible.
 307 2011-03-18 02:57:35 <lfm> well there is value is hashing it out here before trying to set it in stone
 308 2011-03-18 02:57:55 <Blitzboom> mmagic: hm, i might do that. maybe some people will agree
 309 2011-03-18 02:58:27 <Blitzboom> eliminating inflation by inflating very fast? paradox
 310 2011-03-18 02:58:37 <mmagic> this isn't much of a hash-out. more of a suss-out, wittgenstein, "what do you mean?" q&a. :)
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 312 2011-03-18 02:59:43 <lfm> there is still a long tail of block rewards stretching out over 100 years
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 319 2011-03-18 03:21:00 <forrestv> anybody know the schedule for deepbit.net's payments?
 320 2011-03-18 03:21:11 <validus> should be automatic
 321 2011-03-18 03:21:23 <validus> just give it time for the server to see what your minimal payout is and for it to read up to it
 322 2011-03-18 03:22:18 <forrestv> validus, http://u.forre.st/u/ojcywsjd/Screenshot-10.png q:
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 324 2011-03-18 03:23:35 <validus> you would have to ask tycho and ask him. ive gotten all mine automatic, though sometimes it went over the threshold i guess you could change it and hit save but im pretty sure the system reads it at a certain time, not sure
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 326 2011-03-18 03:29:18 <lfm> depends mostly on the threshold you set afaik
 327 2011-03-18 03:29:36 <[Tycho]> Hello. Where is your problem ?
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 331 2011-03-18 03:30:40 <lfm> [Tycho]: forestv wanted to know something about the payment schedule for deepbit
 332 2011-03-18 03:31:51 <validus> it could also just be that his shares went up that much and it hasnt sent yet
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 336 2011-03-18 03:32:49 <[Tycho]> I just forced out all waiting payments.
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 338 2011-03-18 03:33:23 <lfm> [Tycho]: was there some holdup?
 339 2011-03-18 03:34:03 <[Tycho]> It was about 1.5 hours delay for forrestv.
 340 2011-03-18 03:35:49 <[Tycho]> lfm, during beta stage my payment routine makes additional pause when there is already many small payments sent or if there is something unusual in queue. Nothing to worry about, usually i just check it at continue.
 341 2011-03-18 03:36:32 <[Tycho]> I think that tomorrow i'll add a button for users to get their payment immediately.
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 343 2011-03-18 03:37:24 <forrestv> ah, thanks
 344 2011-03-18 03:38:10 <[Tycho]> Today i already added some buttons to interface :)
 345 2011-03-18 03:38:37 <validus> wallet and what other file do i need to move, i re installed
 346 2011-03-18 03:38:55 <Blitzboom> just your wallet
 347 2011-03-18 03:39:06 <Blitzboom> you’ll redownload the blocks
 348 2011-03-18 03:39:27 <[Tycho]> You can keep your block chain too, it will be faster than redownloading.
 349 2011-03-18 03:39:45 <validus> just making sure, gotta get that up once i figure out something else real quick
 350 2011-03-18 03:40:06 <validus> does anyone have xchat blowfish encryption, either from mircryption or fish.sekure.la for blowfish, both sites are down :(
 351 2011-03-18 03:40:25 <validus> well mircryption seems to have taken off xchat on their download page
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 353 2011-03-18 03:44:38 <forrestv> [Tycho], why is the balance updated once per hour? why not live, like the rest of the data?
 354 2011-03-18 03:44:42 <dirtyfilthy> validus: what about OTR?
 355 2011-03-18 03:44:54 <validus> otr?
 356 2011-03-18 03:44:59 <[Tycho]> forrestv, to reduce cheating.
 357 2011-03-18 03:45:04 <mmagic> otr rules
 358 2011-03-18 03:45:26 <validus> as long as it is blowfish compatible
 359 2011-03-18 03:45:29 <validus> and works with xchat
 360 2011-03-18 03:45:58 <forrestv> [Tycho], cheating?
 361 2011-03-18 03:46:06 <[Tycho]> Yes.
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 363 2011-03-18 03:46:07 <forrestv> you can calculate your balance from your shares ..
 364 2011-03-18 03:46:24 <dirtyfilthy> eh don't know if it's blowfish compatible but it runs on a bunch of stuff including irssi (not sure about xchat) http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/
 365 2011-03-18 03:46:39 <[Tycho]> forrestv, only in Pay-Per-Share mode.
 366 2011-03-18 03:46:58 <validus> doesnt look like it :/
 367 2011-03-18 03:47:23 <validus> i have encrypted only rooms and queries its kinda important. cant believe mirccryption doesnt have the link on their d/l page anymore. that was probably one of the best
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 376 2011-03-18 04:25:14 <mmagic> haha nobody's selling to mr. 6000@$0.72 guy..
 377 2011-03-18 04:25:41 <luke-jr> lol
 378 2011-03-18 04:25:56 <mmagic> oh well. if he is the one who sold down the line, then good. if not, then thanks to whoever you are for putting up a blocker against a lower price.
 379 2011-03-18 04:26:23 <Blitzboom> maybe it was just one person desperately wanting to sell?
 380 2011-03-18 04:27:09 <genjix> MM
 381 2011-03-18 04:27:27 <Blitzboom> you think it was the MM?
 382 2011-03-18 04:28:00 <Blitzboom> not sure how you come to that conclusion
 383 2011-03-18 04:29:35 <genjix> so much intrigue in the btc community
 384 2011-03-18 04:29:41 <genjix> who is satoshi?
 385 2011-03-18 04:29:48 <genjix> and this MM? does he have a botnet?
 386 2011-03-18 04:29:52 <genjix> silkroad
 387 2011-03-18 04:29:55 <genjix> ... :)
 388 2011-03-18 04:29:57 <Blitzboom> who cares?
 389 2011-03-18 04:29:57 <genjix> love it
 390 2011-03-18 04:30:29 <luke-jr> genjix: funny, there's so many privacy nuts, yet everyone wants to find out the private info ;)
 391 2011-03-18 04:30:46 <genjix> Blitzboom: anybody who's interesting?
 392 2011-03-18 04:31:02 <ArtForz> unlikely
 393 2011-03-18 04:31:17 <genjix> not everyone wears brown and works from dusk til dawn
 394 2011-03-18 04:31:22 <ArtForz> MMs known 50k are still sitting in the same address
 395 2011-03-18 04:31:53 <genjix> how much is it that's moving the market?
 396 2011-03-18 04:32:03 <genjix> i looked and it seemed to be a small amount ~7k
 397 2011-03-18 04:32:35 <Blitzboom> it was, there were were few bids
 398 2011-03-18 04:32:54 <genjix> meh 7k lol
 399 2011-03-18 04:33:09 <genjix> i used to make 1k a week
 400 2011-03-18 04:33:19 <Blitzboom> mining?
 401 2011-03-18 04:33:25 <genjix> no work
 402 2011-03-18 04:33:37 <genjix> thats a problem if bitcoin shifts so much
 403 2011-03-18 04:33:57 <Blitzboom> too volatile, yeah. we need speculators
 404 2011-03-18 04:33:58 <ArtForz> 10.5k
 405 2011-03-18 04:34:44 <luke-jr> I speculate that the market will hit $1 by Sunday
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 407 2011-03-18 04:35:13 <Blitzboom> hahaha what? and who’ll buy?
 408 2011-03-18 04:35:34 <luke-jr> shrug, just a speculation
 409 2011-03-18 04:35:55 <genjix> wish i had btc to bet u luke-jr
 410 2011-03-18 04:35:58 <Blitzboom> speculation usually is based on SOMETHING
 411 2011-03-18 04:36:12 <genjix> i would bet 1000 btc 60-40 odds with u
 412 2011-03-18 04:36:39 <luke-jr> genjix: 1000 BTC is probably enough to accomplish it
 413 2011-03-18 04:37:12 <Keefe> uh 1k btc to push back above $1? are you kidding?
 414 2011-03-18 04:37:49 <Blitzboom> you won’t even be able to push it above 0.9$ with this amount
 415 2011-03-18 04:38:02 <ArtForz> make that 0.84 :P
 416 2011-03-18 04:38:25 <Keefe> you'd need about $24000 to push above $1
 417 2011-03-18 04:38:50 <Blitzboom> Keefe: where do you see that?
 418 2011-03-18 04:38:56 <Keefe> http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxUSD.html
 419 2011-03-18 04:38:58 <Blitzboom> i’d have to sum up all asks in the orderbook
 420 2011-03-18 04:39:02 <mmagic> he's just multiplying the current orders.
 421 2011-03-18 04:39:22 <Blitzboom> thanks
 422 2011-03-18 04:39:36 <mmagic> there's some big 2-4k blocks in there you'd have to churn through
 423 2011-03-18 04:39:53 <ArtForz> and who knows how many dark pool orders
 424 2011-03-18 04:40:04 <mmagic> but now i'm not sure: does mtgox allow you to buy/sell at other than current market prices?
 425 2011-03-18 04:40:19 <Blitzboom> sure it does?
 426 2011-03-18 04:40:23 <ArtForz> yup
 427 2011-03-18 04:40:30 <Blitzboom> you set the price and the order gets filled eventually
 428 2011-03-18 04:40:35 <Keefe> or not
 429 2011-03-18 04:41:06 <mmagic> no, I mean like the other way. like say you wanted to sell 1000@$0.56, specifically and nothing higher.
 430 2011-03-18 04:41:14 <mmagic> or buy @ $1.5 specifically and nothing lower.
 431 2011-03-18 04:41:17 <Keefe> why?
 432 2011-03-18 04:41:30 <mmagic> why not?
 433 2011-03-18 04:41:36 <Keefe> that's stupid
 434 2011-03-18 04:41:43 <Blitzboom> very much so
 435 2011-03-18 04:41:54 <mmagic> ಠ_ಠ
 436 2011-03-18 04:42:16 <Keefe> if you put in a bid at $1.5, you'll get the btc you want, but at a much cheaper price than $1.5
 437 2011-03-18 04:42:41 <mmagic> it's a valid question; there are sheep (or were) and fiddling with the price like that can also be a way to ensure that the btc passes only between two specific peoples' hands.
 438 2011-03-18 04:42:50 <mmagic> but, *via* the market.
 439 2011-03-18 04:43:33 <Keefe> if you want to pass money from one to another that way, paying mtgox 1.3%, you just choose a price inbetween the current bid/ask
 440 2011-03-18 04:43:59 <mmagic> unless they have agreed to pay you more, or less, and you have also agreed.
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 443 2011-03-18 04:44:56 <mmagic> look, the reason why is kind of irrelevant. it's a question of future potential motility—the ability to do more, in the event that the need may arise in the future to do so.
 444 2011-03-18 04:45:17 <Keefe> give me a more detailed example and i'll explain
 445 2011-03-18 04:45:57 <Keefe> person A has what? person B has what? and what do they want to end up with?
 446 2011-03-18 04:47:48 <mmagic> person X and person Y meet on.. i2p, say. one agrees to sell the other ฿1200 for $2400 LR. they agree that the intermediary mtgox can serve as a useful transaction point to minimize risk. it is a transfer of wealth, with a total sum, and they aren't interested in participating with/enriching anyone else in the market.
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 448 2011-03-18 04:49:49 <mmagic> they don't want to know ฿ addresses; they don't want to know LR accounts.
 449 2011-03-18 04:50:22 <mmagic> the price point, in this example, serves as a kind of transactional facilitator.
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 453 2011-03-18 05:08:09 <Keefe> mmagic: ok, i think what i don't understand is why would one want to pay $2400 LR for 1200 BTC and use mtgox when there are lower asks
 454 2011-03-18 05:09:14 <Keefe> if he's going to use mtgox at all, what difference does it make whether he gets 1200 BTC for $2400 LR or for $1000 LR, besides he'd have $1400 more to keep?
 455 2011-03-18 05:09:18 <mmagic> previous nefarious relationship and a sense of obligation to pay out whoever gets the long end of the stick, I guess.
 456 2011-03-18 05:10:41 <mmagic> this is entirely a rhetorical construct. the point is that it could be an option. or, say someone just wants to manipulate the ticker.
 457 2011-03-18 05:11:00 <mmagic> hey there's that bot again.
 458 2011-03-18 05:11:43 <mmagic>    Bid up:  2013.87 @ $0.7291   per (from    13.87)|  New bid:   265.26 @ $0.729101 per|  Del bid:   265.95 @ $0.725002 per
 459 2011-03-18 05:11:45 <Keefe> well, i don't see a reason why the exchange should allow manipulation of the ticker, but as for needing to pay up a previous agreement i see what you're saying...
 460 2011-03-18 05:12:31 <mmagic> Keefe: I freely admit that it is entirely a bogus construct. My original query was just about whether it could be done, I guess. anyway, mental exercise only. :)
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 462 2011-03-18 05:12:59 <Keefe> it seems to boil down to simply one needing to give BTC to the other
 463 2011-03-18 05:13:06 <Blitzboom> another 2k bid at mt.gox now
 464 2011-03-18 05:13:16 <mmagic> in the example, definitely. :)
 465 2011-03-18 05:13:18 <Blitzboom> looks like this 0.7$ will hold
 466 2011-03-18 05:13:22 <Keefe> without revealing their btc addresses i gues
 467 2011-03-18 05:13:57 <mmagic> did you spot the bot withdrawing, then resubmitting a new bid above the 2k?
 468 2011-03-18 05:14:34 <Keefe> it just seems to be not suited to a market
 469 2011-03-18 05:15:03 <mmagic> depending on how many resources the bot has, I'm feel confident that part of the reason why it's harder to sell is that the bot is picking up essentially all the small-time slack.
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 473 2011-03-18 05:16:54 <mmagic> there needs to be a second bot which can pick out the pattern of the first. it's like a game of corewars..
 474 2011-03-18 05:18:28 <mmagic> if that bot continues to do that, i'm going to write one which doesn't make a profit and plays just outside the two sides of the mtgox fee.
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 482 2011-03-18 05:51:13 <forrestv> some transactions i sent haven't had any confirmations yet, and it's been an hour. what gives?
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 484 2011-03-18 05:52:40 <ZenMondo> how many peers are you connected to?  I don't know if that has any bearing its just the first thing I thought of
 485 2011-03-18 05:53:07 <forrestv> 60 connections?
 486 2011-03-18 05:53:47 <Syke_> Do you see the transaction in http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/
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 488 2011-03-18 05:55:35 <forrestv> Syke_, yes, both. what does that mean?
 489 2011-03-18 05:55:57 <Syke_> they're in the queue. no miner has included them in solved blocks
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 492 2011-03-18 05:57:04 <Syke_> the only thing I can think of is miners are coming on and offline, so not all miners see all transactions
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 496 2011-03-18 06:05:20 <dissipate> this is weird, i have 0 connections on my client
 497 2011-03-18 06:05:28 <dissipate> anyone else having trouble connecting to peers?
 498 2011-03-18 06:08:28 <jgarzik> c'mon miners.  mint a darned block, already!
 499 2011-03-18 06:08:55 <ZenMondo> is this one late?
 500 2011-03-18 06:09:00 <Blitzboom> dissipate: nope
 501 2011-03-18 06:09:31 <Diablo-D3> dissipate: through tor?
 502 2011-03-18 06:09:43 <dissipate> Diablo-D3, nope
 503 2011-03-18 06:09:48 <dissipate> weird, i only have 1 connection
 504 2011-03-18 06:09:50 <Diablo-D3> did you remember to forward 8333 TCP?
 505 2011-03-18 06:09:58 <dissipate> Diablo-D3, yep. it is forwarded.
 506 2011-03-18 06:10:09 <dissipate> even if it wasn't i would definitely have 8 connections by now.
 507 2011-03-18 06:10:15 <Diablo-D3> weird.
 508 2011-03-18 06:10:24 <dissipate> now i'm up to 2
 509 2011-03-18 06:10:38 * Diablo-D3 has 8
 510 2011-03-18 06:12:03 <forrestv> hmm ... could adding a comment to a txn prevent it from being confirmed?
 511 2011-03-18 06:12:32 <dissipate> i'm slowly getting more connections
 512 2011-03-18 06:12:42 <dissipate> just the other night i had over 80 connections
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 514 2011-03-18 06:15:01 <Syke_> I have 41 connections
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 516 2011-03-18 06:16:29 <genjix> MagicalTux: are your prices for VPS accurate?
 517 2011-03-18 06:16:54 <genjix> MagicalTux: they seem a bit expensive... maybe you forgot to update them?
 518 2011-03-18 06:17:08 <mburns> hi all
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 520 2011-03-18 06:31:43 <lfm> hi
 521 2011-03-18 06:32:54 <validus> the page to ati's older app sdk's is erroring. how ghey
 522 2011-03-18 06:43:08 <validus> anyone have a linux 64 bit copy of the ati sdk 2.1 or 2.2
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 524 2011-03-18 06:48:38 <validus> n/m
 525 2011-03-18 06:50:24 <Aciid> ;;later tell lartza yes?
 526 2011-03-18 06:50:25 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
 527 2011-03-18 06:59:35 <jgarzik> cpuminer w/ long polling support in git.  Windows test binary:  http://yyz.us/bitcoin/cpuminer-installer-0.7.2-lp1.zip
 528 2011-03-18 06:59:49 <jgarzik> for Linux, you'll need to build from git
 529 2011-03-18 07:00:12 <jgarzik> ;;later tell jgarzik ;;later tell gribble ;;later tell recursive later!
 530 2011-03-18 07:00:13 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
 531 2011-03-18 07:05:58 <forrestv> do miners ignore transactions with a comment or something ... ?
 532 2011-03-18 07:06:12 <forrestv> i made a txn with a comment and it has 0 confirmations after about two hours
 533 2011-03-18 07:07:12 <lfm> comments are only used on txn by ip number address
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 535 2011-03-18 07:09:30 <lfm> if you did it from a command line send the comment is probably ignored
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 540 2011-03-18 07:11:24 <lfm> forrestv: also did you see the answer from [Tycho] ?
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 542 2011-03-18 07:13:03 <forrestv> ahh..
 543 2011-03-18 07:13:09 <forrestv> yes
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 565 2011-03-18 09:46:44 <sipa> ;;bc,calc 50000
 566 2011-03-18 09:46:45 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 50000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 10 weeks, 5 days, 18 hours, 3 minutes, and 32 seconds
 567 2011-03-18 09:46:50 <sipa> ;;bc,gen 50000
 568 2011-03-18 09:46:52 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 50000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 0.660044598518 BTC per day and 0.0275018582716 BTC per hour.
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 575 2011-03-18 10:36:37 <validus> http://www.lattyware.co.uk/personal/G15H/
 576 2011-03-18 10:42:12 <genjix> nanotube: how can i download the pgp keys? http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php
 577 2011-03-18 10:44:14 <sipa> gpg --recv-key <KEYDI>
 578 2011-03-18 10:44:32 <genjix> derp
 579 2011-03-18 10:44:39 <sipa> <KEYID> that is
 580 2011-03-18 10:44:42 <genjix> where to click to download them.
 581 2011-03-18 10:45:17 <sipa> depends, there are some web-interfaces to pgp key databases
 582 2011-03-18 10:45:33 <sipa> or in a gnupg gui program, you can probably click "receive keys" somewhere
 583 2011-03-18 10:45:48 <genjix> oh cool so bitcoin-otc is a keyserver?
 584 2011-03-18 10:45:52 <sipa> no
 585 2011-03-18 10:46:07 <sipa> it just lists the id's of the public gpg keys of those people
 586 2011-03-18 10:46:14 <sipa> the keys themselves you need to get somewhere else
 587 2011-03-18 10:46:20 <genjix> ok well im asking how to download their keys
 588 2011-03-18 10:46:25 <sipa> well i'm telling you
 589 2011-03-18 10:46:29 <sipa> gpg --recv-key <KEYID>
 590 2011-03-18 10:47:01 <genjix> that
 591 2011-03-18 10:47:02 <genjix> is
 592 2011-03-18 10:47:04 <genjix> amazing
 593 2011-03-18 10:47:28 <genjix> gpg wins me over once more. i did not know all the keys were stored in one central server.
 594 2011-03-18 10:47:43 <sipa> they're not
 595 2011-03-18 10:47:55 <sipa> it's a network of servers, that synchronize with eachother
 596 2011-03-18 10:47:57 <genjix> do you have to upload them yourself?
 597 2011-03-18 10:48:03 <sipa> your own key? yes
 598 2011-03-18 10:48:08 <genjix> ok
 599 2011-03-18 10:48:09 <sipa> gpg --send-key <MYKEYID>
 600 2011-03-18 10:48:54 <genjix> ok... not sure i will do that tho
 601 2011-03-18 10:49:17 <genjix> want to stay off the grid.
 602 2011-03-18 10:49:24 <genjix> thanks sipa for this little tutorial
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 604 2011-03-18 10:51:09 <RBecker> ;;bc,blocks
 605 2011-03-18 10:51:10 <gribble> 114003
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 608 2011-03-18 11:20:14 <eps1> ;;bc,stats
 609 2011-03-18 11:20:16 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114008 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 903 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 3 hours, 34 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 66710.70284711
 610 2011-03-18 11:20:44 * eps1 hopes the myster miner stays away
 611 2011-03-18 11:21:01 <xelister> ATTACK OF MYSTERIOUS MINER
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 616 2011-03-18 11:51:23 <Aciid> not fucking again
 617 2011-03-18 11:52:07 <Aciid> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-10k.png
 618 2011-03-18 11:53:34 <xelister> nvidia!
 619 2011-03-18 11:53:36 <xelister> radeon!
 620 2011-03-18 11:53:39 <xelister> OpenCL!
 621 2011-03-18 11:53:41 <xelister> linux!
 622 2011-03-18 11:53:46 <xelister> by your powers combined
 623 2011-03-18 11:53:55 <xelister> I am ... cpt Mysterious Miner!
 624 2011-03-18 11:54:01 <xelister> to put you all out of business
 625 2011-03-18 11:54:03 <xelister> >_>
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 627 2011-03-18 11:54:45 <sipa> oh noes it's cpt. Mysterious Miner
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 639 2011-03-18 13:01:22 <NxTitle> ;;bc,calc 1200000
 640 2011-03-18 13:01:23 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1200000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 3 days, 3 hours, 45 minutes, and 8 seconds
 641 2011-03-18 13:01:34 <NxTitle> I need to get 2x5970
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 643 2011-03-18 13:02:13 <Lartza> Aciid: Hi! You're finnish?
 644 2011-03-18 13:02:53 <Lartza> I haven't got my bitcoin faucet bitcoins :S
 645 2011-03-18 13:03:03 <Lartza> Does 8333 need to be open for that?
 646 2011-03-18 13:03:21 <Lartza> oh it still is downloading blocks and stuff like that :S
 647 2011-03-18 13:03:35 * joepie91 annoyed
 648 2011-03-18 13:03:41 <joepie91> someone hates me, apparently.
 649 2011-03-18 13:03:45 <Lartza> Why? :)
 650 2011-03-18 13:03:55 <joepie91> someone tried to impersonate me on anonops
 651 2011-03-18 13:04:00 <joepie91> and after reading his hostname
 652 2011-03-18 13:04:04 <joepie91> I thought it was a bit familiar...
 653 2011-03-18 13:04:17 * Lartza hides
 654 2011-03-18 13:04:18 <Lartza> :P
 655 2011-03-18 13:04:23 <joepie91> and it was the same guy that acunetix'd my personal site and when he couldn\t find anything ddosed it
 656 2011-03-18 13:04:25 <joepie91> or wel
 657 2011-03-18 13:04:26 <joepie91> well*
 658 2011-03-18 13:04:28 <joepie91> dosed*
 659 2011-03-18 13:04:46 <joepie91> and around that exact same time, dynadot gets a complaint about my domain
 660 2011-03-18 13:04:55 <joepie91> and leaseweb gets a complaint about one of the irc servers
 661 2011-03-18 13:05:01 <joepie91> the irc server is not mine
 662 2011-03-18 13:05:03 <Lartza> How many blocks does bitcoin receive on first start?
 663 2011-03-18 13:05:07 <joepie91> so the guy probably does not just hate me
 664 2011-03-18 13:05:08 <Lartza> joepie91: :)
 665 2011-03-18 13:05:10 <sipa> Lartza: all
 666 2011-03-18 13:05:11 <NxTitle> all of them
 667 2011-03-18 13:05:13 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
 668 2011-03-18 13:05:14 <gribble> 114014
 669 2011-03-18 13:05:18 <NxTitle> ^
 670 2011-03-18 13:05:21 <Lartza> 87000!
 671 2011-03-18 13:05:22 <Lartza> :)
 672 2011-03-18 13:05:26 <Lartza> Thanks
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 683 2011-03-18 14:00:02 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
 684 2011-03-18 14:00:03 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114018 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 893 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 1 hour, 55 minutes, and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 66502.04790734
 685 2011-03-18 14:09:32 <mizerydearia> May I have feedback on some documentations I wrote?  http://witcoin.com/help
 686 2011-03-18 14:10:21 <Lartza> It's been a really long time and I haven't received the faucet payment :/
 687 2011-03-18 14:10:29 <Lartza> Does 8333 have to be open?
 688 2011-03-18 14:10:53 <gavinandresen> mizerydearia:  font size is too small for my getting-old-eyes
 689 2011-03-18 14:11:00 <validus> thats why you adjust it
 690 2011-03-18 14:11:01 <gavinandresen> Lartza:  do you have all the blocks?
 691 2011-03-18 14:11:04 <validus> :P
 692 2011-03-18 14:11:31 <Lartza> gavinandresen: Oh damn thought I did :)
 693 2011-03-18 14:11:36 <Lartza> Still mising few hundred
 694 2011-03-18 14:11:38 <Lartza> *missing
 695 2011-03-18 14:14:08 <gavinandresen> mizerydearia:  could you make the documentation more fun?  Maybe a screen shot with popups that appear when you hover over UI elements?  The "navigate to this" / "navigate to that" are clear... but not fun.
 696 2011-03-18 14:14:23 <mizerydearia> hmm
 697 2011-03-18 14:14:37 <gavinandresen> (I know, lots of work, and who reads help anyway?)
 698 2011-03-18 14:14:47 <validus> what kind of photos do you need
 699 2011-03-18 14:15:35 <mizerydearia> maybe I can make a kind of interactive help page
 700 2011-03-18 14:15:42 <mizerydearia> or include it in the help page
 701 2011-03-18 14:16:28 <gavinandresen> yeah, something like that'd be nifty
 702 2011-03-18 14:17:30 <mizerydearia> gavinandresen, ooh, btw, would you like to participate in the site and add charity for the faucet?
 703 2011-03-18 14:17:58 <gavinandresen> I was just posting a reply on the 'what charities' page
 704 2011-03-18 14:18:03 <mizerydearia> ^_^
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 706 2011-03-18 14:21:16 <Lartza> RPC isn't working :S
 707 2011-03-18 14:21:24 <Lartza> I think... BitcoinDroid
 708 2011-03-18 14:21:47 <validus> is there a way to use ldd to reply of where the program is looking for the library at, i have the file installed but i dont know where its looking
 709 2011-03-18 14:22:15 <Lartza> port scan shows responding on 8333 and 8332
 710 2011-03-18 14:27:44 <Lartza> I can't use bitcoind to get status of my bitcoin daemon
 711 2011-03-18 14:27:47 <Lartza> :/
 712 2011-03-18 14:27:58 <Lartza> complains about config
 713 2011-03-18 14:29:19 <Lartza> I have no info on my bitcoin daemon on the headless server :/
 714 2011-03-18 14:29:38 <LobsterMan> i sent myself a few transactions of a few btc each from one of my nodes to the other like 25mins ago
 715 2011-03-18 14:29:38 <LobsterMan> all but one of them has gone through, and the one which hasn't is still "0/unconfirmed"
 716 2011-03-18 14:29:38 <LobsterMan> is this normal and how long will i likely need to wait to get the btc on my receiving address?
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 718 2011-03-18 14:30:33 <LobsterMan> it was telling me i needed to pay a fee to send all of the coins, but i didn't want to pay so i tried to break the transaction up into a bunch of smaller ones
 719 2011-03-18 14:30:58 <LobsterMan> this worked, but it's been 5 blocks now and one of the tx's is still unconfirmed :\
 720 2011-03-18 14:32:55 * kiba ate a pair of chilidog and a pair of twinkle
 721 2011-03-18 14:33:05 <kiba> what a hearty breakfast!
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 723 2011-03-18 14:37:08 <TD> mizerydearia: btw, i noticed a bug ... if you use "get with it" when looking at a subcategory the google authentication treats it as a separate app, because the domain is different
 724 2011-03-18 14:37:19 <validus> anyone here ran a dragontale in linux?
 725 2011-03-18 14:37:26 <mizerydearia> TD, yeah, that's not really a bug
 726 2011-03-18 14:37:37 <validus> im not finding where its looking for the files at that are installed but reading its not
 727 2011-03-18 14:37:38 <mizerydearia> although it is kind of inconveniencing
 728 2011-03-18 14:37:54 <TD> maybe bounce the user via http://witcoin.com/login or something to get them on the right domain?
 729 2011-03-18 14:38:09 <mizerydearia> I'll see what I can do
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 733 2011-03-18 14:46:02 <LobsterMan> Status: 0/unconfirmed, broadcast through 50 nodes
 734 2011-03-18 14:46:02 <LobsterMan> Date: 3/18/2011 10:03
 735 2011-03-18 14:46:02 <LobsterMan> so this was over 40 minutes ago now....should i be worried?
 736 2011-03-18 14:46:29 <joepie91> I've had a payment that got its first confirmation after 2 hours
 737 2011-03-18 14:46:34 <joepie91> so it's probably ok :P
 738 2011-03-18 14:46:40 <mizerydearia> TD, Actually, it seems that I already bounce to witcoin.com/getwitit.  However, which page did you come from?  I may have missed fixing it in one area.
 739 2011-03-18 14:46:54 <LobsterMan> why does it take so long to confirm them sometimes?
 740 2011-03-18 14:47:05 <joepie91> no idea tbh
 741 2011-03-18 14:47:25 <sipa> small payments, no fee?
 742 2011-03-18 14:47:45 <mizerydearia> Ah, I see
 743 2011-03-18 14:47:47 <mizerydearia> I'll fix it
 744 2011-03-18 14:48:23 <LobsterMan> yes it was one of many small payments i sent to myself to avoid having to pay a fee
 745 2011-03-18 14:48:32 <LobsterMan> i think it may heve just been worth paying the fee at this rate <_<
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 747 2011-03-18 14:51:22 <mizerydearia> fixed
 748 2011-03-18 14:51:29 <miner_> ;;bc,gen 700000
 749 2011-03-18 14:51:30 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 700000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 9.24062437926 BTC per day and 0.385026015802 BTC per hour.
 750 2011-03-18 14:51:47 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,gen 115000
 751 2011-03-18 14:51:48 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 115000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 1.51810257659 BTC per day and 0.0632542740247 BTC per hour.
 752 2011-03-18 14:51:56 <miner_> ;;bc,gend 700000,65000
 753 2011-03-18 14:51:56 <gribble> (bc,gend <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The expected generation output, at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [math calc 50*24*60*60 / (1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256))] BTC per day and [math calc 50*60*60 / (1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256))] BTC per hour.".
 754 2011-03-18 14:52:09 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,gen 115000,65000
 755 2011-03-18 14:52:10 <gribble> Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
 756 2011-03-18 14:52:14 <miner_> ;;bc,gend 700000 65000
 757 2011-03-18 14:52:14 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 700000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 65000, is 10.8319979448 BTC per day and 0.451333247698 BTC per hour.
 758 2011-03-18 14:52:18 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,gend 115000,65000
 759 2011-03-18 14:52:18 <gribble> (bc,gend <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The expected generation output, at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [math calc 50*24*60*60 / (1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256))] BTC per day and [math calc 50*60*60 / (1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256))] BTC per hour.".
 760 2011-03-18 14:52:26 <LobsterMan> lol
 761 2011-03-18 14:52:29 <forrestv> noobs
 762 2011-03-18 14:52:31 <LobsterMan> i think gribble has a problem
 763 2011-03-18 14:52:41 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,gend 115000, 65000
 764 2011-03-18 14:52:41 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
 765 2011-03-18 14:52:51 <LobsterMan> wat
 766 2011-03-18 14:52:58 <miner_> ;;bc,gend 115000 65000
 767 2011-03-18 14:52:58 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 115000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 65000, is 1.7795425195 BTC per day and 0.074147604979 BTC per hour.
 768 2011-03-18 14:53:17 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,gend 115000 65000
 769 2011-03-18 14:53:17 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 115000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 65000, is 1.7795425195 BTC per day and 0.074147604979 BTC per hour.
 770 2011-03-18 14:53:18 <LobsterMan> hah
 771 2011-03-18 14:53:39 <miner_> ;;bs,stats
 772 2011-03-18 14:53:39 <gribble> Error: "bs,stats" is not a valid command.
 773 2011-03-18 14:53:45 <miner_> ;;bc,stats
 774 2011-03-18 14:53:47 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114026 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 885 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 23 hours, 24 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 66695.16367476
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 776 2011-03-18 14:55:14 <LobsterMan> once i send a transaction, can i turn off the node that was the sender?
 777 2011-03-18 14:55:23 <LobsterMan> assuming it's popped up on my receiving end's node
 778 2011-03-18 14:56:30 <validus> when in doubt wait for verified
 779 2011-03-18 14:56:45 <luke-jr> when in doubt, kill luke
 780 2011-03-18 14:56:46 <luke-jr> wait
 781 2011-03-18 14:56:51 <LobsterMan> o_0
 782 2011-03-18 14:56:53 <validus> lol
 783 2011-03-18 14:56:55 <joepie91> when in doubt, doubt the wait
 784 2011-03-18 14:57:01 <joepie91> errr
 785 2011-03-18 14:57:01 <joepie91> derp
 786 2011-03-18 14:57:05 <joepie91> when in doubt, doubt the when*
 787 2011-03-18 14:57:10 <luke-jr> WIDKL <-- common saying in another channel
 788 2011-03-18 14:57:28 <validus> thats actually not suprising
 789 2011-03-18 14:57:29 * LobsterMan slaps luke-jr in the face with a brick
 790 2011-03-18 14:57:31 <validus> hehe
 791 2011-03-18 14:57:35 <luke-jr> #yandere :P
 792 2011-03-18 14:57:53 <luke-jr> IRC game
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 794 2011-03-18 15:00:52 <sipa> ;;bc,stats
 795 2011-03-18 15:00:54 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114026 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 885 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 23 hours, 24 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 66695.16367476
 796 2011-03-18 15:06:42 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,calcd 115000 65000
 797 2011-03-18 15:06:43 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 115000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 65000, is 4 weeks, 0 days, 2 hours, 19 minutes, and 50 seconds
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 803 2011-03-18 15:27:21 <Lartza> Aciid: Still trying to reach you :)
 804 2011-03-18 15:28:41 <BlueMatt> Lartza: have you tried ;;later tell?
 805 2011-03-18 15:28:56 <Lartza> No
 806 2011-03-18 15:29:03 <Lartza> *I haven't
 807 2011-03-18 15:29:23 <BlueMatt> ;;later tell Lartza this will be sent to you by gribble when you next send a message
 808 2011-03-18 15:29:24 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
 809 2011-03-18 15:29:41 <Lartza> Interesting
 810 2011-03-18 15:30:16 <Lartza> I'll try that if I have to go offline again thanks :)
 811 2011-03-18 15:30:30 <Lartza> I wondered how the gribble message from Aciid came to me
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 817 2011-03-18 15:41:54 <Lartza> I don't get this witcoin... you have to pay to post/reply etc. and you profit from posting/replying etc.
 818 2011-03-18 15:43:08 <BlueMatt> I agree, I think its kind of pointless but the idea is to cut out spam and such with small microtxes to post
 819 2011-03-18 15:43:51 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,calc 930
 820 2011-03-18 15:43:52 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 930 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 11 years, 8 weeks, 1 day, 17 hours, 6 minutes, and 20 seconds
 821 2011-03-18 15:43:54 <BlueMatt> which bitcoin is ideal for
 822 2011-03-18 15:44:07 <BlueMatt> LobsterMan: might not be worth the electricity
 823 2011-03-18 15:44:11 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,gen 930
 824 2011-03-18 15:44:12 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 930 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 0.0122768295324 BTC per day and 0.000511534563852 BTC per hour.
 825 2011-03-18 15:44:21 <LobsterMan> yeah lol this is my other computer
 826 2011-03-18 15:44:25 <Lartza> BlueMatt: But I don't get it how one gets money bitcoins from it :S
 827 2011-03-18 15:44:49 <BlueMatt> Lartza: ...?
 828 2011-03-18 15:44:58 <Lartza> *gets bitcoins
 829 2011-03-18 15:45:16 <BlueMatt> people pay to comment on your story and you get those right?
 830 2011-03-18 15:45:38 <BlueMatt> Ive never used it
 831 2011-03-18 15:45:42 <echelon> a portion
 832 2011-03-18 15:45:50 <echelon> from each reply
 833 2011-03-18 15:46:07 <echelon> and votes
 834 2011-03-18 15:46:26 <Lartza> So posting costs can you usally make up for the cost of the post if it's a average/good post?
 835 2011-03-18 15:46:36 <Lartza> I need more bitcoins so I can try things :P
 836 2011-03-18 15:46:44 <echelon> yeah
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 838 2011-03-18 15:48:08 <[Tycho]> Lartza, buy some :) Or try mining.
 839 2011-03-18 15:48:20 <Lartza> [Tycho]: Listtle slow computer :S
 840 2011-03-18 15:48:22 <BlueMatt> yes, please support the market and buy some
 841 2011-03-18 15:48:33 <[Tycho]> Lartza, buy some GPUs :)
 842 2011-03-18 15:48:38 <Lartza> How can I see my generation speed?
 843 2011-03-18 15:49:09 <[Tycho]> Do you have a modern graphic accelerator ?
 844 2011-03-18 15:49:31 <Lartza> No
 845 2011-03-18 15:49:49 <validus> fancy speak for a gpu
 846 2011-03-18 15:49:50 <validus> :P
 847 2011-03-18 15:51:43 <Lartza> ads and then visit the site with Tor repeatedly! :P
 848 2011-03-18 15:51:50 <Lartza> :)
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 850 2011-03-18 15:55:09 <Lartza> Okey... people are selling movie/TV rips in witcoin
 851 2011-03-18 15:55:16 <validus> :/
 852 2011-03-18 15:55:17 <Lartza> And seems there is no way to report posts...
 853 2011-03-18 15:55:22 <validus> thats sad
 854 2011-03-18 15:55:32 <Lartza> since witcoin is the one getting in trouble from allowing copyrihgt infirgement
 855 2011-03-18 15:55:44 <validus> ya hollywood is best kept private
 856 2011-03-18 15:55:57 <validus> not out like that espically with the  guy that just got in trouble for just posting links
 857 2011-03-18 15:56:18 <validus> just send an email to the webmaster on it about all you can do, if they leave it they leave it
 858 2011-03-18 15:57:16 <Lartza> GLad I live in Europe :)
 859 2011-03-18 15:57:30 <Lartza> Not that I would get in trouble for anything
 860 2011-03-18 15:57:51 <joepie91> sigh
 861 2011-03-18 15:57:57 <Lartza> But America's laws are going stupid with wiretapping of private computers soon allowed for police's
 862 2011-03-18 15:57:59 <joepie91> you guys followed operation metal gear?
 863 2011-03-18 15:58:10 <Lartza> or FBI not sure about police
 864 2011-03-18 15:58:18 <validus> i hate to break it to ya but its just not usa
 865 2011-03-18 15:58:24 <Lartza> I know
 866 2011-03-18 15:58:24 <validus> as much as people would love it to just be
 867 2011-03-18 15:59:04 <joepie91> ...anyone?
 868 2011-03-18 15:59:20 <Lartza> joepie91: Nope sorry
 869 2011-03-18 15:59:40 <joepie91> might be relevant to bitcoin as well, if it would grow bigger
 870 2011-03-18 15:59:52 <joepie91> http://anonnews.org/?p=press&a=item&i=752
 871 2011-03-18 16:00:01 <joepie91> that is the tl;dr
 872 2011-03-18 16:00:08 <joepie91> relevant radio show from radio payback: http://ge.tt/5tzZlkq
 873 2011-03-18 16:00:30 <joepie91> if you have the time, it's best to listen to the radio show
 874 2011-03-18 16:00:35 <joepie91> to get an explanation of how it works
 875 2011-03-18 16:00:51 <joepie91> comes down to a digital "army" of sockpuppets
 876 2011-03-18 16:01:13 <joepie91> that could "poison the well" to suppress something
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 882 2011-03-18 16:06:22 <Lartza> validus: Funny thing... only contact there is IRC and the discussion forums :D
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 886 2011-03-18 16:12:11 <validus> can someone tell me something thats in wallet.dat that might help me find which dat file contains it
 887 2011-03-18 16:13:26 <joepie91> umm..?
 888 2011-03-18 16:15:10 <validus> i have lots of dat files and other files recovered but not saved in any type of filename really
 889 2011-03-18 16:15:23 <validus> so i was cat |grep to find things inside of them to try to see if that would work
 890 2011-03-18 16:15:29 <joepie91> oh
 891 2011-03-18 16:15:34 <joepie91> eh
 892 2011-03-18 16:15:35 <joepie91> lemme check
 893 2011-03-18 16:17:24 <joepie91> validus: grep for TransactionFee
 894 2011-03-18 16:17:53 <joepie91> otherwise, grep for fromaccount
 895 2011-03-18 16:18:23 <validus> heh think im going to have to try another program
 896 2011-03-18 16:20:03 <joepie91> for recovery you mean?
 897 2011-03-18 16:20:05 <joepie91> howso?
 898 2011-03-18 16:20:34 <validus> ya this was photorec it has things recovered but mostly jibberish. even sorted but not looking very promising
 899 2011-03-18 16:20:38 <validus> checking out some other options
 900 2011-03-18 16:20:58 <joepie91> ah
 901 2011-03-18 16:20:59 <joepie91> what OS?
 902 2011-03-18 16:21:08 <Tril> validus: look for fGenerateBitcoins
 903 2011-03-18 16:21:09 <joepie91> no windows I guess?
 904 2011-03-18 16:21:14 <validus> im in mint
 905 2011-03-18 16:21:17 <joepie91> ah
 906 2011-03-18 16:21:19 <validus> was a windows partition its not there now
 907 2011-03-18 16:21:23 <joepie91> pcinspector is GREAT
 908 2011-03-18 16:21:26 <joepie91> but it only runs on windows
 909 2011-03-18 16:21:38 <joepie91> I've recovered shit from a completely defunct drive with that
 910 2011-03-18 16:21:54 <validus> i had ntfs undelete in windows
 911 2011-03-18 16:22:01 <validus> but i only have windows in vm's atm, i guess i could try that
 912 2011-03-18 16:22:10 <validus> mount them as networked drives
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 914 2011-03-18 16:23:05 <joepie91> hm
 915 2011-03-18 16:23:07 <joepie91> dunno if that works
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 917 2011-03-18 16:23:13 <joepie91> I know pcinspector somehow does direct disk access
 918 2011-03-18 16:23:21 <joepie91> it bypasses the entire windows part afaik
 919 2011-03-18 16:23:44 <joepie91> it's written by a professional disk recovery company, so not a surprise that it's a bit more heavy duty :P
 920 2011-03-18 16:23:50 <validus> most of em do but thats only way i could think of how a vm could read the drives
 921 2011-03-18 16:23:55 <joepie91> mye
 922 2011-03-18 16:23:58 <joepie91> I think that won't work
 923 2011-03-18 16:24:00 <validus> not sure never tried that
 924 2011-03-18 16:24:01 <joepie91> tbh
 925 2011-03-18 16:24:03 <joepie91> maybe in vmware
 926 2011-03-18 16:24:06 <joepie91> but certainly not in virtualbox
 927 2011-03-18 16:24:09 <validus> i have vmware
 928 2011-03-18 16:24:14 <joepie91> you could try
 929 2011-03-18 16:24:23 <joepie91> but that would require actual hardware passthrough
 930 2011-03-18 16:24:27 <validus> wanted to test out the supposive kickass directx9c support
 931 2011-03-18 16:24:28 <joepie91> networking drivers will be useless
 932 2011-03-18 16:24:30 <joepie91> lol
 933 2011-03-18 16:24:34 <joepie91> err
 934 2011-03-18 16:24:35 <joepie91> drives*
 935 2011-03-18 16:24:43 <validus> ya im browsing a few spots
 936 2011-03-18 16:24:48 <joepie91> otherwise
 937 2011-03-18 16:24:54 <joepie91> try getting one of those "xp live disks"
 938 2011-03-18 16:24:54 <validus> dont wanna waste time agian i hate waiting hours for nothing
 939 2011-03-18 16:24:55 <joepie91> pop it in
 940 2011-03-18 16:25:02 <joepie91> and run pcinspector from that
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 944 2011-03-18 16:25:53 <validus> if i do cool. if not well my stupid mistake cost me 3 bucks lol
 945 2011-03-18 16:26:16 <validus> but im extremely stubborn :P
 946 2011-03-18 16:27:25 <joepie91> lol
 947 2011-03-18 16:27:25 <joepie91> also
 948 2011-03-18 16:27:26 <joepie91> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa_KrNNebzU
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 951 2011-03-18 16:30:21 <validus> smart move would be to dd to make an image of it but i dont have enough space or a free drive lol
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 953 2011-03-18 16:33:41 <joepie91> validus
 954 2011-03-18 16:33:44 <joepie91> a tip
 955 2011-03-18 16:33:52 <joepie91> keep your wallet in a truecrypt container or sth alike
 956 2011-03-18 16:34:01 <validus> yes yes i know, it was a simple dumb mistake
 957 2011-03-18 16:34:03 <joepie91> and burn it to a dvd every... few days
 958 2011-03-18 16:34:08 <joepie91> and don't close the dvd
 959 2011-03-18 16:34:14 <joepie91> so that you can burn to the same dvd the next time
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 962 2011-03-18 16:34:26 <validus> the one time i let it go for about a week and i was swamped and thats the only thing i didnt save i backed up everything so it was just user error
 963 2011-03-18 16:34:26 <joepie91> you'll always have a physical external backup of your wallet :)
 964 2011-03-18 16:34:31 <validus> luckily i didnt have very much in it
 965 2011-03-18 16:34:32 <joepie91> heh
 966 2011-03-18 16:34:35 <joepie91> error between desk and chair
 967 2011-03-18 16:34:41 <validus> yep my fault 110%
 968 2011-03-18 16:34:43 <validus> im not mad
 969 2011-03-18 16:35:06 <validus> cant believe i did it, i even double checked myself
 970 2011-03-18 16:35:13 <validus> just a senior moment lol
 971 2011-03-18 16:35:18 <luke-jr> yay my new monitor fits -watch lines in a single line :P
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 973 2011-03-18 16:35:53 <jrabbit> Is there any reason poclbm would be busing 25%ish cpu on gpu? could a newer python work better?
 974 2011-03-18 16:36:06 <validus> well python is either made for 2.6 or 3.0
 975 2011-03-18 16:36:14 <jrabbit> validus: no...
 976 2011-03-18 16:36:21 <validus> theres ways to convert one to the other or its 2.x and 3.x
 977 2011-03-18 16:36:27 <validus> but their not the same and slowly getting to merge
 978 2011-03-18 16:36:35 <jrabbit> validus: what the fuck are you talking about
 979 2011-03-18 16:36:43 <jrabbit> you're full of shit.
 980 2011-03-18 16:36:46 <validus> python 3.0 code is not the same as python 2.xx code
 981 2011-03-18 16:36:55 <validus> no not really
 982 2011-03-18 16:37:03 <validus> thats why they have converts to convert the code
 983 2011-03-18 16:37:10 <validus> relax some man lol
 984 2011-03-18 16:37:13 <jrabbit> I'm a fucking python dev I know 3k is a different language
 985 2011-03-18 16:37:23 <jrabbit> and jfc 2.7 is the latest 2.x
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 987 2011-03-18 16:37:41 <validus> well sorry that i didnt read your mind on it. some people dont know that jus ttrying to help with it man
 988 2011-03-18 16:37:44 <validus> relax some
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 990 2011-03-18 16:38:01 <jrabbit> Don't try and help if you have no idea what you're talking about then :P
 991 2011-03-18 16:38:25 <validus> well most users who would ask that would striaght d/l the latest version of python and the code may not be developed that way
 992 2011-03-18 16:38:38 <validus> so you could see the point of why i said it  i wasnt discrediting your or anything lol
 993 2011-03-18 16:38:42 <luke-jr> jrabbit: Python sucks anyway, so who cares? :D
 994 2011-03-18 16:38:48 <jrabbit> luke-jr: haha
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 996 2011-03-18 16:38:57 <validus> i like python
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 998 2011-03-18 16:39:04 <validus> just havent got around to it yet
 999 2011-03-18 16:41:11 <jrabbit> luke-jr: well most of this is because I'm too lazy to compile scipy again for 2.7.x :D
1000 2011-03-18 16:41:22 <jrabbit> and it comes with apple's old as shit python
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1011 2011-03-18 16:57:16 <Zarutian> ;;bc,blocks
1012 2011-03-18 16:57:16 <gribble> 114037
1013 2011-03-18 17:06:18 <jrabbit> haha ok so status reprot on the python version, 2.7 actually is using more CPU than 2.6.1 did on GPU stuff
1014 2011-03-18 17:06:41 <jrabbit> could be older pyopencl though I used fink's
1015 2011-03-18 17:09:30 <joepie91> blah
1016 2011-03-18 17:09:40 <joepie91> it's annoying how all bitcoin related sites use the same favicon
1017 2011-03-18 17:09:45 <joepie91> I can't differentiate between the sites :P
1018 2011-03-18 17:16:45 <[Tycho]> Yes :)
1019 2011-03-18 17:16:50 <[Tycho]> I noticed this too.
1020 2011-03-18 17:17:02 <joepie91> I mean
1021 2011-03-18 17:17:06 <joepie91> a colored dot would be enough
1022 2011-03-18 17:17:06 <joepie91> lol
1023 2011-03-18 17:17:20 <joepie91> I usually have so many tabs open that I can only see the favicon in most of my browser windows
1024 2011-03-18 17:17:23 <BlueMatt> god I thought building bitcoin on windows was hard...try doing it on osx
1025 2011-03-18 17:17:27 <[Tycho]> Me too.
1026 2011-03-18 17:17:27 <joepie91> lmfao
1027 2011-03-18 17:17:48 <[Tycho]> Did you compiled it on Windows ?
1028 2011-03-18 17:18:03 <BlueMatt> yea Ive compiled it on win
1029 2011-03-18 17:18:15 <[Tycho]> How did you do that ?
1030 2011-03-18 17:18:24 <BlueMatt> ...followed the instructions?
1031 2011-03-18 17:22:57 <jrabbit> BlueMatt: yeah the mac makefile sucks...
1032 2011-03-18 17:23:07 <jrabbit> I think it mgiht have gotten a bit betetr though.
1033 2011-03-18 17:23:34 <BlueMatt> jrabbit: yea, I think Im gonna create some scripts for osx that downloads everything and makes it etc
1034 2011-03-18 17:24:01 <jrabbit> BlueMatt: don't!
1035 2011-03-18 17:24:09 <BlueMatt> why?
1036 2011-03-18 17:24:09 <jrabbit> package it instead!
1037 2011-03-18 17:24:10 <jrabbit> :P
1038 2011-03-18 17:24:27 <BlueMatt> too much effort
1039 2011-03-18 17:24:37 <jrabbit> you're going to do it wrong :)
1040 2011-03-18 17:24:50 <Lartza> just came to my mind... sin't it possible to counterfeit money by having a private network accepting the new block that you have made?
1041 2011-03-18 17:24:54 <Lartza> *isn't
1042 2011-03-18 17:25:07 <BlueMatt> Lartza: yea, but no one but you would accept the money
1043 2011-03-18 17:25:08 <Lartza> Well the otehr comptuers would refuse it... but somehow
1044 2011-03-18 17:25:18 <Lartza> BlueMatt: Ahh... of course :)
1045 2011-03-18 17:25:19 <BlueMatt> Lartza: you would have to get the people in your network to use a modified client
1046 2011-03-18 17:25:30 <Lartza> And even the private network would refuse it with the regular client yea
1047 2011-03-18 17:25:35 <jrabbit> Lartza: no different then pretending you're rich in sand dollars.
1048 2011-03-18 17:25:46 <Lartza> Monopoly dollars!
1049 2011-03-18 17:25:47 <Lartza> :P
1050 2011-03-18 17:25:53 <jrabbit> BlueMatt: don't fuck it up.
1051 2011-03-18 17:26:09 <jrabbit> a script to buitl shit outside a prefix = fucking it up
1052 2011-03-18 17:26:18 <BlueMatt> jrabbit: Im not that stupid
1053 2011-03-18 17:26:31 <BlueMatt> Ill pretty much just follow the instructions which install in prefix anyway
1054 2011-03-18 17:26:59 <jrabbit> then use one of the many package managers out there for osx
1055 2011-03-18 17:27:07 <BlueMatt> go ahead
1056 2011-03-18 17:27:22 <jrabbit> naw I have no issue with how bitcoin is packaged atm.
1057 2011-03-18 17:27:37 <jrabbit> it works fine and the security releases are too important
1058 2011-03-18 17:28:22 <BlueMatt> jrabbit: well I make nightlies and am maintaining my own branch so...
1059 2011-03-18 17:28:31 <BlueMatt> need to get UPnP running on osx but have to compile it first
1060 2011-03-18 17:29:03 <jrabbit> http://www.broadsnark.com/dont-be-like-che/ somehow this seems relevant but I'm too sleepy to connect it
1061 2011-03-18 17:29:19 <BlueMatt> ?
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1063 2011-03-18 17:32:55 <toad_> how long should i give my bitcoin node before it gets some connections?
1064 2011-03-18 17:33:06 <BlueMatt> toad_: shouldnt take long at all
1065 2011-03-18 17:33:14 <BlueMatt> like maybe 30 seconds max
1066 2011-03-18 17:34:43 <lfm> sometimes take 30 min if it cant connect to irc
1067 2011-03-18 17:34:54 <BlueMatt> oh yea that might be a problem
1068 2011-03-18 17:35:23 <BlueMatt> toad_: launch with -addnode=87.155.85.217
1069 2011-03-18 17:37:34 <LobsterMan> it can take a long time too if the port isn't forwarded
1070 2011-03-18 17:37:46 <LobsterMan> by long time....i mean several minutes
1071 2011-03-18 17:37:50 <Lartza> how many connections should one get?
1072 2011-03-18 17:37:58 <eps1> 8?
1073 2011-03-18 17:38:08 <Lartza> Okey then it's not low if so :)
1074 2011-03-18 17:38:09 <BlueMatt> LobsterMan: first connection doesnt depend on port forwarding thats total connections later
1075 2011-03-18 17:38:18 <BlueMatt> 8 is the outbound connection count you should always have
1076 2011-03-18 17:38:35 <BlueMatt> more than that you probably wont get without proper port forwarding
1077 2011-03-18 17:38:49 <BlueMatt> and you should average 20-50 if you have a long-running node
1078 2011-03-18 17:38:50 <Lartza> "connections" : 39
1079 2011-03-18 17:38:58 <Lartza> with port-forwarding and 24 hours
1080 2011-03-18 17:39:09 * joepie91 has 8
1081 2011-03-18 17:39:11 <Lartza> windows client GUI shows 8 behind NAT and 12 hours
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1083 2011-03-18 17:39:52 <lfm> 8 connections works fine tho, you dont really need more
1084 2011-03-18 17:40:24 <BlueMatt> the client makes 8 outbound connections beyond that you have to port forward for incomming ones
1085 2011-03-18 17:40:33 <Lartza> 99 confimartions for my +0.05 \o/
1086 2011-03-18 17:40:39 <UukGoblin> price is falling! :-[
1087 2011-03-18 17:40:51 <Lartza> UukGoblin: What price??
1088 2011-03-18 17:40:55 <UukGoblin> of bitcoin
1089 2011-03-18 17:40:59 <BlueMatt> UukGoblin: yea no one can buy mtgusd and who would buy in this market anyway?
1090 2011-03-18 17:41:05 <joepie91> 4680 confirmations for my 0.05
1091 2011-03-18 17:41:06 <joepie91> lol
1092 2011-03-18 17:41:13 <xelister> BUBBLE IS BURSTING
1093 2011-03-18 17:41:15 <lfm> ;;bc,mtgox
1094 2011-03-18 17:41:16 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.8506,"low":0.71,"vol":13918,"buy":0.801,"sell":0.8248,"last":0.801}}
1095 2011-03-18 17:41:25 <UukGoblin> BlueMatt, oh so mtgox has changed something again?
1096 2011-03-18 17:41:35 <lfm> naw, just someone did a large selloff last night
1097 2011-03-18 17:41:39 <BlueMatt> UukGoblin: no just not responding to purchases of mtgusd
1098 2011-03-18 17:41:48 <BlueMatt> lfm: no its been going down all day
1099 2011-03-18 17:41:48 <Lartza> Should one buy bitcoins now?
1100 2011-03-18 17:42:00 <BlueMatt> Lartza: I wouldnt recommend it, xelister might have a point
1101 2011-03-18 17:42:09 <eps1> your investment may go down as well as up
1102 2011-03-18 17:42:11 <UukGoblin> what bubble?
1103 2011-03-18 17:42:24 <UukGoblin> it looks like the price is good now, so why not buy?
1104 2011-03-18 17:42:26 <lfm> it recovered a fair bit since then even
1105 2011-03-18 17:42:34 <eps1> the danish tulip bubble
1106 2011-03-18 17:42:34 <Lartza> BlueMatt: Meaning generally "now" and not after a year
1107 2011-03-18 17:42:34 <BlueMatt> it could very well be highly overvalued
1108 2011-03-18 17:42:37 <BlueMatt> there is no support
1109 2011-03-18 17:42:53 <BlueMatt> Lartza: also highly depends
1110 2011-03-18 17:43:13 <BlueMatt> if we get a munch of merchants the future looks good, otherwise we may sit here for a long time
1111 2011-03-18 17:43:31 <BlueMatt> lfm: true, but that doesnt mean its not going down
1112 2011-03-18 17:43:57 <BlueMatt> if there is a HUGE drop people tend to buy because it dropped then sell off because they see how little support for the price there is
1113 2011-03-18 17:43:59 <Lartza> Well I only have... 8 euros to spend now so I won't be buying atleast for some time ;)
1114 2011-03-18 17:44:11 <BlueMatt> well the second part doesnt always happen but often
1115 2011-03-18 17:44:20 <Lartza> Unless I cut on my eating or internet or... :)
1116 2011-03-18 17:44:30 <BlueMatt> Lartza: I would watch closely but not buy yet...
1117 2011-03-18 17:44:55 <Lartza> can wolframalpha convert bitcoins? :)
1118 2011-03-18 17:45:04 <Lartza> you must demand they do if not
1119 2011-03-18 17:45:15 <Lartza> they do!
1120 2011-03-18 17:45:22 <lfm> there never has been "much" support for the bitcoin market, it is still a tiny market and easily influenced
1121 2011-03-18 17:45:26 <BlueMatt> have fun convincing them...
1122 2011-03-18 17:45:40 <kiba> the price of bitcoin did not drop below 0.80
1123 2011-03-18 17:45:44 <kiba> well
1124 2011-03-18 17:45:45 <kiba> it does
1125 2011-03-18 17:45:48 <BlueMatt> kiba: it did last night
1126 2011-03-18 17:45:53 <kiba> but buying get it all up to 0.80
1127 2011-03-18 17:45:59 <BlueMatt> lfm: but it has been trending downwards for a while now
1128 2011-03-18 17:46:12 <lfm> actually it went down to 71 and then back up to 80
1129 2011-03-18 17:46:17 <kiba> trending up and down
1130 2011-03-18 17:46:23 <kiba> they are short term
1131 2011-03-18 17:46:25 <Lartza> bitcoins = US bits?
1132 2011-03-18 17:46:34 <kiba> ???
1133 2011-03-18 17:46:39 <kiba> bitcoins are bitcoins
1134 2011-03-18 17:46:41 <kiba> not US bits
1135 2011-03-18 17:46:43 <kiba> or Euro bits
1136 2011-03-18 17:46:44 <BlueMatt> kiba: since the 1.1 run its been trending down
1137 2011-03-18 17:46:48 <lfm> Lartza: price on mtgox.com
1138 2011-03-18 17:46:59 <kiba> BlueMatt: I have my impression that it went up and down
1139 2011-03-18 17:47:03 <kiba> but not "trending down"
1140 2011-03-18 17:47:10 <Lartza> wolframalpha intreprets bitcoins as us bits :)
1141 2011-03-18 17:47:38 <BlueMatt> kiba: how has it not been?
1142 2011-03-18 17:47:39 <joepie91> lol
1143 2011-03-18 17:47:41 <joepie91> umm
1144 2011-03-18 17:47:45 <toad_> well it's a nasty curve but not exactly a lot of data to go on
1145 2011-03-18 17:47:50 <joepie91> is there anyone here who can write shopping cart plugins?
1146 2011-03-18 17:47:59 <BlueMatt> kiba: IIRC it has gone from 1.1 to .8X and not gone up dramatically since
1147 2011-03-18 17:48:06 <lfm> Lartza: I wouldnt say that was accurate, bitcoin is more international
1148 2011-03-18 17:48:16 <toad_> only 6 days dropping in the latest spurt, but looks like a vaguely downward trend since the peak
1149 2011-03-18 17:48:18 <kiba> it went from 1.1 to 8.x then to 9.x
1150 2011-03-18 17:48:21 <kiba> and then down again
1151 2011-03-18 17:48:35 <Lartza> mtgox doesn't have euro price
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1153 2011-03-18 17:48:49 <BlueMatt> kiba: ignoring large selloffs
1154 2011-03-18 17:48:58 <BlueMatt> meaning one/two people selloffs
1155 2011-03-18 17:49:02 <kiba> there's tremedous resistance
1156 2011-03-18 17:49:16 <kiba> in the .9x and 1.x
1157 2011-03-18 17:49:19 <BlueMatt> well ok in the past week its been down mostly
1158 2011-03-18 17:49:50 <kiba> we're still in a long term rally
1159 2011-03-18 17:50:38 <Blitzboom> we need more media attention
1160 2011-03-18 17:50:48 <Blitzboom> more investers and speculators
1161 2011-03-18 17:51:01 <Blitzboom> investors*
1162 2011-03-18 17:51:11 <Blitzboom> and of course shops/organizations accepting bitcoin
1163 2011-03-18 17:51:29 <joepie91> regarding that, again the question: can anyone here write shopping cart plugins?
1164 2011-03-18 17:51:37 <joepie91> I am going to set up a payment gateway (hosted)
1165 2011-03-18 17:51:49 <joepie91> and it might be good to have shopping cart plugins, but I am terrible at writing plugins
1166 2011-03-18 17:52:34 <joepie91> (and yes, the gateway will be free, no transaction costs)
1167 2011-03-18 17:52:55 <xelister> Blitzboom: would you cofound a bounty to get more attention?
1168 2011-03-18 17:53:21 <xelister> joepie91: I suppose I could write one for some btc
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1170 2011-03-18 17:53:34 <Blitzboom> i’m waiting for that animated video
1171 2011-03-18 17:53:36 <joepie91> err, I don't really have any money to spend apart from the hosting :P
1172 2011-03-18 17:53:44 <joepie91> it's not really a commercial venture either
1173 2011-03-18 17:53:57 <joepie91> I will be accepting donations though for it and I guess I could throw you some _if_ I get donations
1174 2011-03-18 17:53:59 <xelister> Blitzboom: that huge forum post?
1175 2011-03-18 17:54:20 <joepie91> but I'd have to see if I can break even on hosting costs first
1176 2011-03-18 17:54:22 <Blitzboom> yes
1177 2011-03-18 17:54:29 <lfm> the last week could be just a reaction to japan quake since mtgox operator is in japan
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1179 2011-03-18 17:55:02 <kiba`> it seem that my disconnection is a regular occurence
1180 2011-03-18 17:55:27 <lfm> ask your isp?
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1182 2011-03-18 18:00:44 * kiba` shrugs
1183 2011-03-18 18:00:58 <kiba`> why should I talk to ISP who probably won't solve my problem
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1185 2011-03-18 18:01:09 <kiba> they don't give a damn
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1189 2011-03-18 18:01:29 <lfm> kiba: your isp is monopoly?
1190 2011-03-18 18:02:14 <kiba> one of the two company in the area, probably
1191 2011-03-18 18:03:14 <lfm> so they dont care if you go to the competition?
1192 2011-03-18 18:03:31 <Lartza> How do exchange rates work? :P
1193 2011-03-18 18:03:39 <kiba> supply and demand!
1194 2011-03-18 18:03:50 <Lartza> 0.05BTC*rate=currency
1195 2011-03-18 18:04:12 <lfm> Lartza: you exchnage btc for something else. rate determines how many of each
1196 2011-03-18 18:04:41 <Lartza> so if rate is 0.8 I get 0.8 of X for 1 BTC so my calculation was correct :)
1197 2011-03-18 18:05:06 <Lartza> I've got 3.5 eurocents as bitcoins!(?) :)
1198 2011-03-18 18:05:24 <lfm> something like that
1199 2011-03-18 18:05:34 <Lartza> wait a minute...
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1201 2011-03-18 18:05:45 <Lartza> one VPS hosting on Trade page in wiki I browsed
1202 2011-03-18 18:05:47 <lfm> ;;calc 0.05*0.8
1203 2011-03-18 18:05:47 <gribble> 0.05 * 0.8 = 0.04
1204 2011-03-18 18:05:59 <Lartza> eur was 79€ and BTC was 171
1205 2011-03-18 18:06:10 <Lartza> THat means BTC is way overpriced :S (right?)
1206 2011-03-18 18:06:36 <lfm> huh?
1207 2011-03-18 18:07:15 <Blitzboom> wait, waht?
1208 2011-03-18 18:07:27 <Blitzboom> what exactly do you want to calculate?
1209 2011-03-18 18:07:33 <Lartza> BTC to EUR
1210 2011-03-18 18:07:37 <lfm> ;;calc 171*.08
1211 2011-03-18 18:07:37 <gribble> 171 * .08 = 13.68
1212 2011-03-18 18:07:47 <lfm> ;;calc 171*0.8
1213 2011-03-18 18:07:47 <gribble> 171 * 0.8 = 136.8
1214 2011-03-18 18:08:24 <lfm> so ya, btc price is almost double. maybe was done with old exchange rate
1215 2011-03-18 18:08:45 <Lartza> http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/?page=vps
1216 2011-03-18 18:08:48 <Lartza> might be
1217 2011-03-18 18:08:54 <lfm> assuming the 0.8 rate is right
1218 2011-03-18 18:08:55 <Lartza> 78€ for the 171
1219 2011-03-18 18:09:03 <Lartza> $105
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1222 2011-03-18 18:13:40 <kiba> I love all things bitcoin!
1223 2011-03-18 18:14:55 <BurtyB> bitcoing marmite would be pushing it too far for me :)
1224 2011-03-18 18:17:18 <kiba> ?
1225 2011-03-18 18:18:47 <kiba> I need to get my site backup so I can work on content generation
1226 2011-03-18 18:21:05 <BurtyB> I guess you don't have the whole love it or hate it marmite thing where you are?
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1228 2011-03-18 18:26:01 <kiba> what is a marmite?
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1230 2011-03-18 18:26:41 <BurtyB> a yeast extract spread that IMO tastes horrid :)
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1232 2011-03-18 18:27:00 <BurtyB> www.marmite.com for the lover/hater :)
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1234 2011-03-18 18:35:20 <joepie91> are there ad networks that pay out in bitcoin, actually?
1235 2011-03-18 18:37:38 <lfm> there was one, not sure how its doing
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1237 2011-03-18 18:52:29 <luke-jr> is it possible to have an ATi card mining in Windows 7, while nVidia works normally on the display?
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1240 2011-03-18 18:57:07 <joepie91> should be I guess
1241 2011-03-18 18:57:12 <joepie91> m0mchil miner lets you select the card
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1243 2011-03-18 18:57:41 <joepie91> not sure how you'd tell windows to handle the display on the nvidia card though
1244 2011-03-18 18:57:58 <joepie91> if it's onboard nvidia, just choose "onboard" in the BIOS
1245 2011-03-18 18:58:07 <luke-jr> but I mean, it won't have libGL conflicts like Linux would?
1246 2011-03-18 18:58:10 <joepie91> might also work for extension cards in some BIOSes
1247 2011-03-18 18:58:14 <joepie91> huh, howso?
1248 2011-03-18 18:58:32 <joepie91> I suppose that as long as you tell your OS to only use one card... all should be fine
1249 2011-03-18 18:58:36 <Validus> http://forums.amd.com/devforum/messageview.cfm?catid=390&threadid=141357&highlight_key=y
1250 2011-03-18 18:58:37 <joepie91> the question is how to tell it that :P
1251 2011-03-18 18:58:53 <Validus> luke: that has something on running 2 diff gpu's dont knwo how much help it will be hehe
1252 2011-03-18 18:59:05 <joepie91> also
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1254 2011-03-18 18:59:17 <joepie91> I have an onboard nvidia in my linux box
1255 2011-03-18 18:59:24 <joepie91> and an extension ati
1256 2011-03-18 18:59:32 <joepie91> and I just turned off the onboard in my bios
1257 2011-03-18 18:59:50 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 3370
1258 2011-03-18 18:59:51 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 3370 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 3 years, 4 weeks, 0 days, 22 hours, 10 minutes, and 7 seconds
1259 2011-03-18 18:59:54 <joepie91> (the onboard identified as a regular PCI card or something, somehow)
1260 2011-03-18 18:59:58 <luke-jr> joepie91: then you can't use it…
1261 2011-03-18 19:00:09 <joepie91> I can't remember how
1262 2011-03-18 19:00:13 <joepie91> but somehow I did use it for something
1263 2011-03-18 19:00:29 <joepie91> might depend on the mobo though
1264 2011-03-18 19:00:50 <joepie91> and that was with an onboard, so if both are a card it might differ
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1270 2011-03-18 19:12:05 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 340000
1271 2011-03-18 19:12:06 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 340000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 1 week, 4 days, 3 hours, 21 minutes, and 41 seconds
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1274 2011-03-18 19:22:56 <[Tycho]> Someone is certainly trying to keep a number of 0.01 BTC transactions pending...
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1276 2011-03-18 19:27:00 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 340000 200000
1277 2011-03-18 19:27:00 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 340000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 200000, is 4 weeks, 1 day, 5 hours, 47 minutes, and 31 seconds
1278 2011-03-18 19:27:36 <luke-jr> would be nice to have some confirmation what I'm thinking of is even possible
1279 2011-03-18 19:29:53 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, which is?
1280 2011-03-18 19:31:05 <phantomcircuit> oh
1281 2011-03-18 19:31:06 <phantomcircuit> hmm
1282 2011-03-18 19:31:07 <phantomcircuit> no idea
1283 2011-03-18 19:31:15 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: mine on a Radeon while using the nVidia as normal
1284 2011-03-18 19:31:19 <luke-jr> on Windows
1285 2011-03-18 19:31:36 <phantomcircuit> no idea
1286 2011-03-18 19:31:41 <Validus> judging by that forum post it seems possible
1287 2011-03-18 19:31:52 <Validus> but def weird lol
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1305 2011-03-18 20:34:12 <BlueMatt> anyone able to make an image of the amazon osx bitcoin builder?
1306 2011-03-18 20:42:58 <jgarzik> [BOUNTY] sha256 shader for Linux OSS video drivers (250 BTC pledged) - http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4618.0
1307 2011-03-18 20:43:23 <jgarzik> Looking to raise at least 1000 BTC.  If you use Linux, or wish to support open source, please pledge!
1308 2011-03-18 20:43:54 <luke-jr> jgarzik: why shader? why not CAL?
1309 2011-03-18 20:44:05 <jgarzik> luke-jr: OSS cannot load CAL
1310 2011-03-18 20:44:13 <luke-jr> jgarzik: since when?
1311 2011-03-18 20:44:29 <luke-jr> wasn't it you that linked me to open-driver CAL stuff?
1312 2011-03-18 20:44:34 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: if it works on NVIDIA put me down for 50
1313 2011-03-18 20:45:11 <jgarzik> luke-jr: no
1314 2011-03-18 20:45:56 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: initial target is ATI, as that's more productive for mining (NV sucks for int ops).  I can open a separate pledge for NV, but there are not even FOSS demos out there, showing how to do it on NV, AFAIK.
1315 2011-03-18 20:46:36 <BlueMatt> oh well, guess I have to buy ati next time (I need a new one anyway as I bought before fermi and fermi sucks)
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1317 2011-03-18 20:53:51 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 5000
1318 2011-03-18 20:53:52 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 5000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 2 years, 3 weeks, 6 days, 12 hours, 35 minutes, and 22 seconds
1319 2011-03-18 20:53:57 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 265000
1320 2011-03-18 20:53:58 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 265000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 2 weeks, 0 days, 7 hours, 1 minute, and 47 seconds
1321 2011-03-18 20:54:00 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 252000
1322 2011-03-18 20:54:01 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 252000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 2 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, 43 minutes, and 33 seconds
1323 2011-03-18 20:54:23 <rlifchitz> ;;bc,stats
1324 2011-03-18 20:54:25 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114059 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 852 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 16 hours, 41 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 66876.90568505
1325 2011-03-18 20:55:10 <luke-jr> jgarzik: for now, I'll pledge 50 BTC to a shader that can do at least 95% of my current 265 MH/s (so 252 MH/s minimum)
1326 2011-03-18 20:55:18 <luke-jr> jgarzik: is that requirement unreasonable?
1327 2011-03-18 20:56:11 <ArtForz> actually *if* you can get it going, more is pretty easy
1328 2011-03-18 20:56:54 <ArtForz> I get 604Mh/s out of a stock 5970 without trying THAT hard
1329 2011-03-18 20:57:31 <ArtForz> = not even using interleaved kernels or anything, and my ALU utilization isnt that great either
1330 2011-03-18 20:58:06 <xelister> luke-jr: cool idea
1331 2011-03-18 20:58:25 <xelister> luke-jr: then the e.g. Diablo Miner will work on open source driver?
1332 2011-03-18 20:58:32 <jgarzik> luke-jr: just getting it going at all is the big step
1333 2011-03-18 20:58:32 <ArtForz> no
1334 2011-03-18 20:58:36 <ArtForz> yep
1335 2011-03-18 20:58:42 <jgarzik> luke-jr: after that, people will jump on it and optimize
1336 2011-03-18 20:58:45 <xelister> ArtForz: you need to use some idnex in your responses =)
1337 2011-03-18 20:58:59 <ArtForz> getting anything running is hard, replacing that anything with a fast kernel is pretty trivial in comparison
1338 2011-03-18 20:59:30 <ArtForz> we probably wont be able to run opencl using the open source driver for a looong time
1339 2011-03-18 20:59:49 <jgarzik> nod
1340 2011-03-18 20:59:53 <luke-jr> jgarzik: ok, so 50 BTC for the first open-only miner to achieve 252 MH/s on my 5850 ;)
1341 2011-03-18 21:00:09 <luke-jr> I'll be a higher tier on the bounty
1342 2011-03-18 21:01:46 <xelister> luke-jr: so what, open driver supports only OpenGL shaders?
1343 2011-03-18 21:02:34 <lfm> OpenCL open source
1344 2011-03-18 21:02:36 <ArtForz> well, more like raw ati shader binaries
1345 2011-03-18 21:02:59 <luke-jr> xelister: I guess?
1346 2011-03-18 21:03:04 <luke-jr> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4618.0
1347 2011-03-18 21:03:29 <ArtForz> as iirc the opengl -> binary shader stuff is also still pretty much alpha
1348 2011-03-18 21:03:54 <lfm> oh ya Luke wants open source drivers, dont hold your breath
1349 2011-03-18 21:04:01 <ArtForz> well, it would work
1350 2011-03-18 21:04:01 <jgarzik> lfm: ?
1351 2011-03-18 21:04:10 <jgarzik> lfm: OpenGL works on open source drivers
1352 2011-03-18 21:04:26 <ArtForz> well, opengl 2.1, for small values of "works"
1353 2011-03-18 21:04:26 <lfm> make a miner for opengl?
1354 2011-03-18 21:04:49 <luke-jr> lfm: that's what jgarzik's bounty call is for
1355 2011-03-18 21:04:56 <jgarzik> lfm: it is already possible to upload shaders
1356 2011-03-18 21:05:00 <ArtForz> yep
1357 2011-03-18 21:05:16 <lfm> but a miner?
1358 2011-03-18 21:05:34 <ArtForz> getting a compiled shader binary from CAL isnt exactly hard
1359 2011-03-18 21:05:39 <xelister> ArtForz: can't we just build the raw binary shaders on binary drivers and then include make opensource driver load prebuild one?  (e.g. build it for each card / each sdk version etc)
1360 2011-03-18 21:05:44 <ArtForz> yes
1361 2011-03-18 21:05:59 <ArtForz> you only need about half a dozen
1362 2011-03-18 21:06:06 <luke-jr> xelister: no
1363 2011-03-18 21:06:10 <jgarzik> lfm: I think luke-jr is setting a too-high bar for a too-low bounty, but it's his money :)   My bounty is simply for -any- collection of instructions, source code, whatever that uploads a shader that performs a sha256 calculation
1364 2011-03-18 21:06:23 <luke-jr> jgarzik: you just said it wasn't unreasonable! :P
1365 2011-03-18 21:06:27 * jgarzik isn't asking for a miner -- just the successful sha256 compute shader upload
1366 2011-03-18 21:06:33 <ArtForz> 47xx, 48xx, 55/56xx, 57xx, 58xx, 69xx
1367 2011-03-18 21:06:35 <xelister> jgarzik: on open source ubuntu driver of course, right?
1368 2011-03-18 21:06:48 <luke-jr> xelister: read the thread
1369 2011-03-18 21:06:53 <ArtForz> = the exact same shader binary works on a 5850, a 5870 and a 5970
1370 2011-03-18 21:06:55 <xelister> again what is the bounty amount?  200 for shader  250 for full miner thing?
1371 2011-03-18 21:07:20 <BlueMatt> has anyone aside from the official amazon clusters ever successfully compiled bitcoin on osx?
1372 2011-03-18 21:07:33 <luke-jr> xelister: READ THE FORUM POST
1373 2011-03-18 21:07:38 <gasteve> BlueMatt: I have
1374 2011-03-18 21:07:38 <jgarzik> luke-jr: you asked "is that requirement unreasonable?", and I never said yes, instead talking with ArtForz about shader-upload being the hard part
1375 2011-03-18 21:07:54 <ArtForz> yep
1376 2011-03-18 21:08:01 <BlueMatt> gasteve: did you run into problems of file is not of required architecture?
1377 2011-03-18 21:08:10 <gasteve> yes
1378 2011-03-18 21:08:10 <ArtForz> because *making* the shader/miner kernel is easy part
1379 2011-03-18 21:08:17 <gasteve> ended up just compiling for 64 bit
1380 2011-03-18 21:08:21 <jgarzik> yep
1381 2011-03-18 21:08:24 <ArtForz> uploading and running it... thats the big one
1382 2011-03-18 21:08:33 <jgarzik> yep
1383 2011-03-18 21:08:37 <xelister> AMD is not interesting in doing that?
1384 2011-03-18 21:08:42 <BlueMatt> gasteve: arg Ive only got that error left for bdb and I cant get it to cross compile for i386
1385 2011-03-18 21:08:52 <xelister> they seem preety big with OpenCL, heaving OpenCL book banner on their front amd.com page
1386 2011-03-18 21:08:59 <BlueMatt> gasteve: plus the ...Quicktime missing required architecture
1387 2011-03-18 21:09:15 <ArtForz> opencl would add a shitload more complications
1388 2011-03-18 21:09:29 <jgarzik> luke-jr: and I was thinking it would be simpler for all involved if bounties simply focused on that, specific "hard part."  But that's the great thing about freedom of money -- it's your choice, and you're certainly free to disagree :)  This is my engineering opinion.
1389 2011-03-18 21:09:32 <gasteve> yep, got all that...didn't try to solve it...just worked around by compiling only for 64 bit
1390 2011-03-18 21:09:32 <xelister> well overall on using their cards for computing
1391 2011-03-18 21:09:54 <xelister> jgarzik: money is not really free about taxes
1392 2011-03-18 21:09:55 <jgarzik> IMO once the "hard part" is done, I bet someone hacks together an OpenCL parser and compiler
1393 2011-03-18 21:10:04 <ArtForz> I tried porting the IL produced by opencl compiuler to be usable as a raw shader, gave up and just wrote the IL miner kernel from scratch
1394 2011-03-18 21:10:04 <luke-jr> jgarzik: IMO, it's good to have multiple tiers of bounties.
1395 2011-03-18 21:10:05 <xelister> btw jgarzik you talked about ideas to fully pay taxes on btc etc
1396 2011-03-18 21:10:17 <xelister> jgarzik: you should probably pay taxes on bounties, then, also when sponsoring them?
1397 2011-03-18 21:10:20 <luke-jr> jgarzik: it's not open source without the compiler
1398 2011-03-18 21:10:21 <BlueMatt> gasteve: ok well I might end up doing that, I just want to make sure upnp works on osx builds
1399 2011-03-18 21:10:22 <jgarzik> ArtForz: heh
1400 2011-03-18 21:10:26 <lfm> seems to me they havnt really fully debugged the proprietory opncl drivers yet so ...
1401 2011-03-18 21:10:39 <jgarzik> luke-jr: correct
1402 2011-03-18 21:11:06 <gasteve> BlueMatt: I think I just had to remove one -arch argument in the makefile to get it working
1403 2011-03-18 21:11:18 <jgarzik> luke-jr: but like everything else in life, you take things One Step At A Time.  I'm focusing on step #1, you're looking down the road at step #3,451
1404 2011-03-18 21:11:20 <jgarzik> :)
1405 2011-03-18 21:11:21 <ArtForz> the problem is, atis opencl impl uses quite a few helper functions and magic arrays to abstract away hardware shortcomings
1406 2011-03-18 21:11:38 <jgarzik> "quite a few" is an understatement, even
1407 2011-03-18 21:11:44 <luke-jr> aww, I thought it was at most step 5
1408 2011-03-18 21:11:51 <jgarzik> hehe
1409 2011-03-18 21:12:04 <ArtForz> like, 4xxx doesnt have unordered access views
1410 2011-03-18 21:12:57 <lfm> lotsa people still reporting hangs when they try to do desktop things while the opencl stuff is running
1411 2011-03-18 21:13:08 <ArtForz> so all memory r/w goes through a helper function that uses 2D surfaces on 4xxx to emulate arrays
1412 2011-03-18 21:13:13 <jgarzik> lfm: open source drivers would make that easier to debug :)
1413 2011-03-18 21:13:23 <jgarzik> s//running bitcoin GPU miner on/
1414 2011-03-18 21:13:26 <joepie91> unrelated -> I think there should be something like explorebitcoin.org or sth that explains in simple terms to people what bitcoin is, what you can do with it, and guides them through it so that people don't ditch the entire thing before they know what you can with it
1415 2011-03-18 21:13:31 <luke-jr> lfm: that's kindof the nature of OpenCL
1416 2011-03-18 21:13:33 <joepie91> [/my2cents]
1417 2011-03-18 21:13:33 <xelister> lfm: this happens  but only if you a) use dual headed  or  b) use 2 VTs  or  c) overclock/heat
1418 2011-03-18 21:13:34 <[Tycho]> lfm, may be they are using old drivers or wrong miner ? :)
1419 2011-03-18 21:13:52 <jgarzik> joepie91: http://www.bitcoinme.com/ ?
1420 2011-03-18 21:14:08 <[Tycho]> What is "2 VTs" ?
1421 2011-03-18 21:14:12 <lfm> joepie91: good idea, you should get right on that
1422 2011-03-18 21:14:16 <ArtForz> xelister: you forgot t) cosmic rays and y) wrong phase of the moon
1423 2011-03-18 21:14:24 <joepie91> jgarzik: that is somewhat what I mean... but I mean more like an actual guide
1424 2011-03-18 21:14:30 <joepie91> split up into simple screens with 1 instruction
1425 2011-03-18 21:14:36 <joepie91> so that every dummy can use it
1426 2011-03-18 21:14:39 <joepie91> without the "wall of text effect'
1427 2011-03-18 21:14:51 <joepie91> lfm: my priority is currently in building a payment gateway :)
1428 2011-03-18 21:15:11 <lfm> gee too bad, I guess it will have to wait
1429 2011-03-18 21:15:14 <joepie91> but yes, as a general idea that is a good example of what I mean
1430 2011-03-18 21:15:23 <joepie91> I am just dropping the idea here in case anyone wants to pick it up :)
1431 2011-03-18 21:16:05 <xelister> ArtForz: hm?  no, when I avoid thoes 3 things it runs stable it seems
1432 2011-03-18 21:16:22 <joepie91> (and being quite active with anonymous etc I understand - and support - the concept of "not your personal army" :P)
1433 2011-03-18 21:16:23 <xelister> or not... hmm need to run for a long time with no oc at all.
1434 2011-03-18 21:17:10 <ArtForz> dunno, fglrx is perfectly stable here multiheaded as long as I dont switch VTs
1435 2011-03-18 21:17:24 <ArtForz> oh, and I have to always restart X once
1436 2011-03-18 21:17:34 <lfm> hehe, yup perfectly
1437 2011-03-18 21:17:52 <ArtForz> start it for the first time, fglrx bombs, stop it, startz it again... works
1438 2011-03-18 21:18:29 <ArtForz> hey, still better than the shit I had with nvidia + multihead before
1439 2011-03-18 21:18:35 <[Tycho]> What is "VTs" ?
1440 2011-03-18 21:18:41 <ArtForz> Virtual Terminals
1441 2011-03-18 21:18:53 <lfm> for certain definitions of "perfectly stable", ok ok
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1443 2011-03-18 21:18:59 <[Tycho]> Oh, lunix thing...
1444 2011-03-18 21:19:20 <ArtForz> lfm: yep, aka "doctor it hurts when I do that"
1445 2011-03-18 21:19:38 <xelister> [Tycho]: virtual terminals like  alt ctrl f1
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1447 2011-03-18 21:19:49 <lfm> xelister: ya
1448 2011-03-18 21:19:49 <[Tycho]> " -- Don't do that" :)
1449 2011-03-18 21:19:57 <ArtForz> at least I can now drag a window containing a accelerated video between monitors without hardlocking the box
1450 2011-03-18 21:20:16 <ArtForz> that would cause a hardlock with nvidia 100% of the time
1451 2011-03-18 21:20:25 <xelister> monument to Ati technical mind.
1452 2011-03-18 21:20:27 <ArtForz> and a real hardlock, as in "can't even ssh in"
1453 2011-03-18 21:20:43 <joepie91> lol
1454 2011-03-18 21:20:44 <[Tycho]> ArtForz, only in Linux ?
1455 2011-03-18 21:20:44 <xelister> I get 50% can't ssh in, 50% X freezes
1456 2011-03-18 21:20:48 <ArtForz> [Tycho]: yup
1457 2011-03-18 21:21:08 <joepie91> ATI <3, despite the opensource drivers being sucky for many features on linux
1458 2011-03-18 21:21:18 <joepie91> most shit doesn't even run with the opensource drivers :/
1459 2011-03-18 21:21:20 <ArtForz> 9800gt, nvidia 19x driver iirc
1460 2011-03-18 21:21:35 <lfm> which driver(s) you using now? still 10-11?
1461 2011-03-18 21:21:44 <[Tycho]> Once i had some issue with FreeBSD router hardlocking when torrents were used on client PCs... :)
1462 2011-03-18 21:21:48 <ArtForz> 10-9 *ducks*
1463 2011-03-18 21:21:56 <luke-jr> joepie91: nonsense
1464 2011-03-18 21:22:10 <joepie91> luke-jr: only speaking from own experience :)
1465 2011-03-18 21:22:14 <ArtForz> the open drivers work pretty well for 2D stuff
1466 2011-03-18 21:22:15 <joepie91> does not happen with all cards apparently
1467 2011-03-18 21:22:19 <joepie91> but I've seen it a bit too much
1468 2011-03-18 21:22:31 <luke-jr> joepie91: I've been using ATi with free drivers for about 10 years now, never had a problem besides PCSX2
1469 2011-03-18 21:22:41 <luke-jr> ArtForz: and 3D
1470 2011-03-18 21:22:51 <ArtForz> luke-jr: for small values of 3?
1471 2011-03-18 21:23:16 <luke-jr> …
1472 2011-03-18 21:23:35 <joepie91> luke-jr: apparently the issue only exists with the more recent cards...
1473 2011-03-18 21:23:35 <BlueMatt> YES UPNP WORKING ON OSX :)
1474 2011-03-18 21:23:42 <BlueMatt> </caps>
1475 2011-03-18 21:23:45 <joepie91> s/recent cards/recent budget cards/
1476 2011-03-18 21:23:46 * ArtForz hands BlueMatt a cookie
1477 2011-03-18 21:24:29 <luke-jr> joepie91: quite possible
1478 2011-03-18 21:24:37 <joepie91> but yeah
1479 2011-03-18 21:24:40 <joepie91> installing catalyst is hell.
1480 2011-03-18 21:24:41 <luke-jr> joepie91: it takes time to write drivers
1481 2011-03-18 21:24:46 <joepie91> aware :)
1482 2011-03-18 21:24:54 <joepie91> wasn't a complaint that it wasn't working... just a remark
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1484 2011-03-18 21:25:12 <joepie91> I'll just sit it out with catalyst until opensource drivers properly support my card :P
1485 2011-03-18 21:25:18 <lfm> and they keep bringing out new cards and supporting them instead of fixing old drivers
1486 2011-03-18 21:25:21 <ArtForz> staying one gen back is usually a good bet to get decent support from the open drivers ;)
1487 2011-03-18 21:25:29 <luke-jr> lfm: that IS annoying
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1490 2011-03-18 21:25:50 <luke-jr> but that's why I switched to Intel this year
1491 2011-03-18 21:26:35 <luke-jr> when AMD or nvidia start producing free drivers that perform better, I'll consider changign back ;)
1492 2011-03-18 21:26:40 <ArtForz> now that 5xxx is mostly supported, they completely changed the display output mapping stuff for 68xx and pretty much everything for 69xx
1493 2011-03-18 21:26:49 <luke-jr> in the meantime, my Intel GPU outperforms my old Radeon
1494 2011-03-18 21:26:52 <lfm> luke-jr I agree Intel drivers are stable. they just dont do anything interesting nor fast
1495 2011-03-18 21:27:01 <luke-jr> lfm: the HD ones do
1496 2011-03-18 21:27:05 <ArtForz> intel? might as well switch to 3dfx ...
1497 2011-03-18 21:27:24 <ArtForz> <3 my voodoo3
1498 2011-03-18 21:27:27 <lfm> matrox
1499 2011-03-18 21:28:00 <luke-jr> lfm: Intel HD Graphics 2000 outperforms my old Radeon.
1500 2011-03-18 21:28:03 <ArtForz> yeah, matrox is pretty damn useful if you just need a shitload of outputs and no 3D accel
1501 2011-03-18 21:28:15 <luke-jr> and works generally good enough for everything
1502 2011-03-18 21:28:21 <luke-jr> even PCSX2, except for some weird rendering glitch
1503 2011-03-18 21:28:45 <ArtForz> I think I still have a mystique or two somewhere ;)
1504 2011-03-18 21:28:51 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: erm
1505 2011-03-18 21:28:55 <Diablo-D3> that must be one old radeon
1506 2011-03-18 21:29:08 <ArtForz> yup
1507 2011-03-18 21:29:08 <Diablo-D3> those hd 2k/3k chips are in the neighborhood of 9xxx performance
1508 2011-03-18 21:29:36 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: X850
1509 2011-03-18 21:29:36 <lfm> ati is starting to give them some competition in the "shitload of outputs" department tho
1510 2011-03-18 21:29:54 <ArtForz> well, kinda
1511 2011-03-18 21:30:06 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: 9xxx was pre-shader
1512 2011-03-18 21:30:10 <ArtForz> still waiting for displayport hubs ;)
1513 2011-03-18 21:30:20 <ArtForz> then shit should get interesting
1514 2011-03-18 21:30:33 <lfm> I think powercooler has a 5 displayport ati card
1515 2011-03-18 21:30:44 <ArtForz> 5870 eyefinity was 6*DP
1516 2011-03-18 21:30:57 <luke-jr> lfm: displayport monitors are expensive
1517 2011-03-18 21:31:06 <luke-jr> can anyone make displayport->lots of DVI hubs?
1518 2011-03-18 21:31:11 <ArtForz> luke-jr: used to be, not so much anymore
1519 2011-03-18 21:31:26 icon has joined
1520 2011-03-18 21:31:30 <ArtForz> and iirc AMD is pushing for cheap active DP->single link DVI adapters
1521 2011-03-18 21:31:44 <lfm> seems like they want to make displayport take over from dvi
1522 2011-03-18 21:31:48 <ArtForz> yep
1523 2011-03-18 21:31:50 <Diablo-D3> [05:29:28] <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: 9xxx was pre-shader
1524 2011-03-18 21:31:52 <ArtForz> dont need external power and can do up to 1920x1200
1525 2011-03-18 21:31:55 <luke-jr> ArtForz: I just bought a new monitor
1526 2011-03-18 21:32:00 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: you said performance.
1527 2011-03-18 21:32:15 <Diablo-D3> and xXxx wasnt faster than 9xxx anyhow, so its moot
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1529 2011-03-18 21:32:25 <Diablo-D3> and r300 wasnt pre-shader
1530 2011-03-18 21:32:30 <Diablo-D3> it was pre-GLSL compatible shader
1531 2011-03-18 21:33:22 <ArtForz> I havent bought a new monitor in a while
1532 2011-03-18 21:33:37 <joepie91> jesus fuck
1533 2011-03-18 21:33:38 <Diablo-D3> heh
1534 2011-03-18 21:33:39 <joepie91> someone really hates me
1535 2011-03-18 21:33:41 <joepie91> -_-
1536 2011-03-18 21:33:43 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: anyhow, HD 2000 blows the X850 away
1537 2011-03-18 21:33:46 <Diablo-D3> my LCD2690 WILL LAST FOREEVVEERRR
1538 2011-03-18 21:33:53 <joepie91> someone is commentflooding under my email address
1539 2011-03-18 21:33:57 <joepie91> on a site
1540 2011-03-18 21:34:01 <luke-jr> lol
1541 2011-03-18 21:34:26 <ArtForz> 20" NEC 1600x1200 IPS + 2* IBM P260 21" CRT
1542 2011-03-18 21:34:26 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: dude, the only thing it has going for it is it can decode blurays
1543 2011-03-18 21:34:45 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: and play 3D games at full refresh rate.
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1545 2011-03-18 21:35:03 <luke-jr> and h264
1546 2011-03-18 21:35:12 <joepie91> 1. vuln scan and ddos attack on my personal site 2. abuse report sending to dynadot regarding my domain 3. impersonating me on IRC 4. commentflooding on p2pnet under my email address
1547 2011-03-18 21:35:33 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: LCD2690 == 26" 1920x1200 IPS
1548 2011-03-18 21:35:36 <Diablo-D3> its oh so delicious
1549 2011-03-18 21:35:36 <ArtForz> my gaming boxes mostly have cheap 1920x1080 TNs
1550 2011-03-18 21:35:38 <Diablo-D3> om nom nom
1551 2011-03-18 21:36:08 <ArtForz> can't do that
1552 2011-03-18 21:36:18 <ArtForz> desk isn't wide enough ;)
1553 2011-03-18 21:36:25 <Diablo-D3> it has a 24" smaller brother
1554 2011-03-18 21:36:44 <BlueMatt> anyone care to translate the new copyright notice for my upnp branch?
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1556 2011-03-18 21:37:03 <luke-jr> …
1557 2011-03-18 21:37:05 <ArtForz> I dont really like dual setups, you either end up with a main/aux setup with one to the side or you have a fucking bezel right in the middle
1558 2011-03-18 21:37:09 <luke-jr> wtf does that mean?
1559 2011-03-18 21:37:21 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: well, thats why I do my laptop/monitor setup
1560 2011-03-18 21:37:41 <Diablo-D3> on my left side, a laptop that runs xchat, pidgin, and gwibber
1561 2011-03-18 21:37:43 <lfm> 3 screens are better than 2 of course
1562 2011-03-18 21:37:47 <Diablo-D3> and acts as a ssh terminal
1563 2011-03-18 21:38:01 <Diablo-D3> in the middle, my monitor plugged into my workstation
1564 2011-03-18 21:38:02 <ArtForz> I rather have one main with a aux on each side, and all roughly same size/res
1565 2011-03-18 21:38:13 <Diablo-D3> and I use x2x to remote control the laptop as if it was a second monitor
1566 2011-03-18 21:38:26 <Diablo-D3> but with the added benefit of watching IRC while having full screen apps
1567 2011-03-18 21:38:34 <Diablo-D3> and yelling at X
1568 2011-03-18 21:38:55 <Diablo-D3> if I have to reboot because my miner was too awesome for X, Im still on IRC the whole time :D
1569 2011-03-18 21:39:02 <lfm> mmmm ya irc, buy an extra monitor for irc.
1570 2011-03-18 21:39:06 <joepie91> lol
1571 2011-03-18 21:39:10 <joepie91> irc addiction go
1572 2011-03-18 21:39:18 <luke-jr> lol
1573 2011-03-18 21:39:21 <ArtForz> lfm: and gkrellm ;)
1574 2011-03-18 21:41:12 <BlueMatt> anyone speak nl, pt, ru, it, fr, or es?
1575 2011-03-18 21:41:35 <joepie91> dutch here
1576 2011-03-18 21:41:37 <joepie91> aka nl
1577 2011-03-18 21:41:46 <sipa> nl, and a bit fr
1578 2011-03-18 21:41:55 <joepie91> and can read pretty much all others :P
1579 2011-03-18 21:42:04 <BlueMatt> anyone care to translate slight copyright notice changes on my upnp branch?
1580 2011-03-18 21:42:04 <lfm> I am still learning english
1581 2011-03-18 21:42:22 <joepie91> sure, np... where can I translate :P
1582 2011-03-18 21:42:29 <BlueMatt> https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin/commit/3f2393aa17407bd099e70b08bad7b6f35d013b90
1583 2011-03-18 21:42:32 <BlueMatt> that is the diff
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1585 2011-03-18 21:42:42 <BlueMatt> at the very end of the two lines (same diff)
1586 2011-03-18 21:43:03 <BlueMatt> https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin/tree/3f2393aa17407bd099e70b08bad7b6f35d013b90/locale
1587 2011-03-18 21:43:17 <BlueMatt> originals are there in **/LC_MESSAGES/bitcoin.po
1588 2011-03-18 21:43:22 <BlueMatt> around line 7**
1589 2011-03-18 21:44:31 <luke-jr> #yandere
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1592 2011-03-18 21:47:47 <joepie91> http://pastebin.com/Ka0SSnV1
1593 2011-03-18 21:47:49 <joepie91> ^translation
1594 2011-03-18 21:48:03 <joepie91> I don't use git or anything
1595 2011-03-18 21:48:03 <BlueMatt> joepie91: thanks
1596 2011-03-18 21:48:06 <joepie91> so can't commit myself :P
1597 2011-03-18 21:48:12 <BlueMatt> its fine I can change it easily :)
1598 2011-03-18 21:48:18 <joepie91> if you need any other translations to dutch, send me a PM
1599 2011-03-18 21:48:26 <joepie91> I think the dutch translation could use some work anyway :)
1600 2011-03-18 21:48:42 <BlueMatt> thats about all the stuff I plan on changing
1601 2011-03-18 21:49:04 <luke-jr> joepie91: so learn git
1602 2011-03-18 21:49:04 <BlueMatt> joepie91: on the other hand Im sure gavin/jeff/etc will gladly accept changes to the existing translation
1603 2011-03-18 21:49:09 <luke-jr> joepie91: and then push it to Gitorious
1604 2011-03-18 21:49:13 <joepie91> err
1605 2011-03-18 21:49:16 <joepie91> I never use Git
1606 2011-03-18 21:49:20 <BlueMatt> joepie91: not necessary but if you want https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4571.0
1607 2011-03-18 21:49:25 <BlueMatt> gavin wrote it up pretty well
1608 2011-03-18 21:49:27 <joepie91> and at this point in time... I don't really have time to get to laern it I guess :P
1609 2011-03-18 21:49:40 <joepie91> last time I tried to install some package
1610 2011-03-18 21:49:42 <joepie91> of git tools or sth
1611 2011-03-18 21:49:44 <joepie91> went horribly wrong
1612 2011-03-18 21:50:00 <BlueMatt> meh, then just change the bitcoin.po file and send in the changes
1613 2011-03-18 21:50:17 <joepie91> heh, okay
1614 2011-03-18 21:50:29 <sipa> i can have a look at the dutch translation
1615 2011-03-18 21:50:37 <joepie91> also possible :)
1616 2011-03-18 21:50:38 <sipa> if you like
1617 2011-03-18 21:50:40 <BlueMatt> sipa: http://pastebin.com/Ka0SSnV1 look right to you?
1618 2011-03-18 21:51:18 <joepie91> derp
1619 2011-03-18 21:51:20 <joepie91> noticed a typo
1620 2011-03-18 21:51:21 <joepie91> zij = zie
1621 2011-03-18 21:51:27 <BlueMatt> ok
1622 2011-03-18 21:51:27 <sipa> indeed
1623 2011-03-18 21:51:37 * joepie91 facepalms
1624 2011-03-18 21:51:38 <joepie91> in both blocks
1625 2011-03-18 21:52:31 <BlueMatt> its kinda sad that I can understand what is being said without looking at the english version by knowing german
1626 2011-03-18 21:52:31 <sipa> the rest looks fine to me
1627 2011-03-18 21:52:40 <BlueMatt> ok thanks joepie91 sipa
1628 2011-03-18 21:52:58 <dirtyfilthy> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4610.0
1629 2011-03-18 21:53:01 <dirtyfilthy> well that sucks
1630 2011-03-18 21:53:43 <BlueMatt> wow that didnt take long
1631 2011-03-18 21:54:51 <joepie91> sad :(
1632 2011-03-18 21:57:44 <BlueMatt> joepie91: this is the current version pre your or any changes: http://pastebin.com/C3yNMJWY
1633 2011-03-18 21:57:49 <BlueMatt> is yours better then or?
1634 2011-03-18 21:58:04 <joepie91> err yes
1635 2011-03-18 21:58:04 <joepie91> lol
1636 2011-03-18 21:58:08 <joepie91> this one misses words
1637 2011-03-18 21:58:11 <joepie91> as in, not all are translated
1638 2011-03-18 21:58:13 <joepie91> and has typo's
1639 2011-03-18 21:58:20 <joepie91> (the one you linked just now)
1640 2011-03-18 21:58:35 <joepie91> and it appears to be a mix of flemish and dutch
1641 2011-03-18 21:58:38 <BlueMatt> well translations can miss word/sentences etc doesnt matter as long as the meaning is identical
1642 2011-03-18 21:58:40 <BlueMatt> joepie91: oh ok
1643 2011-03-18 21:58:48 <joepie91> well
1644 2011-03-18 21:58:50 <joepie91> I meant miss
1645 2011-03-18 21:58:51 <joepie91> as in "see"
1646 2011-03-18 21:58:55 <joepie91> instead of "zie"
1647 2011-03-18 21:58:58 <joepie91> single words that are not translated
1648 2011-03-18 21:59:10 <joepie91> "and de cryptografische"
1649 2011-03-18 22:00:34 <BlueMatt> well I prefer to not merge anything except what is strictly in the patch description (upnp) so Im just going to add the upnp stuff at the very end.  Could you send your new version to gavinandresen or jgarzik or tcatm so they can commit it? Also, you if you want to look at rewriting a lot of it, you might do it at the same time
1650 2011-03-18 22:00:54 <joepie91> mm
1651 2011-03-18 22:01:03 <joepie91> maybe it'll take my mind of the personal attacks of the past few days :P
1652 2011-03-18 22:01:08 <joepie91> I guess I'll just translate stuff now
1653 2011-03-18 22:01:26 <BlueMatt> ha, personal attacks? on bitcoin? noooo never
1654 2011-03-18 22:01:41 <joepie91> no
1655 2011-03-18 22:01:42 <joepie91> not here :P
1656 2011-03-18 22:01:52 <joepie91> someone has been trying to fuck me over in multiple ways regarding anonnews
1657 2011-03-18 22:01:53 <BlueMatt> oh ok
1658 2011-03-18 22:02:01 <BlueMatt> are you really surprised about that?
1659 2011-03-18 22:02:08 <BlueMatt> people tend to not like anon
1660 2011-03-18 22:02:13 <joepie91> dynadot abuse report, dos and vuln scan on my personal site, flooding comments sections under my email address
1661 2011-03-18 22:02:14 <joepie91> and so on
1662 2011-03-18 22:02:17 <dirtyfilthy> joepie91: you run anon news?
1663 2011-03-18 22:02:19 <joepie91> yup
1664 2011-03-18 22:02:28 <joepie91> also, trying to impersonate me on irc to gather data
1665 2011-03-18 22:02:33 <joepie91> more stuff like that
1666 2011-03-18 22:02:36 <joepie91> it's getting quite annoying
1667 2011-03-18 22:02:44 <dirtyfilthy> heh, i donated one bitcoin to you guys
1668 2011-03-18 22:02:49 <joepie91> and of course I did expect shit like that to happen - just not suddenly all at once :P
1669 2011-03-18 22:02:58 <joepie91> dirtyfilthy: heh, thanks :P
1670 2011-03-18 22:03:06 <joepie91> also, got a ton of 1 cent etc donations
1671 2011-03-18 22:03:22 <[Tycho]> Linear voltage regulators in my new USB-server are heating up to +80C or even more. I wonder if this thing is going to die from that...
1672 2011-03-18 22:03:31 <luke-jr> "Bernard von NotHaus, creator of the Liberty Dollar, was found guilty on two counts this morning in his counterfeiting trial at the federal courthouse in Statesville, N.C. He was found guilty of making counterfeit coins and an intent to defraud. Sentencing will be held in several months. The jury reached its decision in less than 90 minutes. In this week's four days of defense testimony, von NotHaus maintained that his "medallion" was not legal
1673 2011-03-18 22:03:32 <luke-jr> tender. He said each piece contained the NORFED name and telephone number, but the government pointed out that the silver pieces bore a very strong resemblance… "
1674 2011-03-18 22:03:48 <joepie91> and *someone* apparently added anonnews to the bitcoin wiki like 1 day after I added the address to the site
1675 2011-03-18 22:03:52 <joepie91> and I still don't know who it was, lol
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1677 2011-03-18 22:04:24 <joepie91> ... where do the language files reside on a windows 7 machine?
1678 2011-03-18 22:04:53 <joepie91> nvm, found them
1679 2011-03-18 22:05:05 <BlueMatt> should be something like bitcoin.po
1680 2011-03-18 22:05:23 <BlueMatt> though .mo might be important as well, really have no idea
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1682 2011-03-18 22:06:58 <joepie91> Geany tells me it's not a textfile
1683 2011-03-18 22:07:03 * joepie91 has no clue what it is
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1686 2011-03-18 22:07:21 * BlueMatt has no idea how .po creates .mo which it appears to do
1687 2011-03-18 22:07:32 <BlueMatt> I just say edit .po and assume it will be moved
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1689 2011-03-18 22:09:52 <joepie91> msgid "Error: The transaction was rejected.  This might happen if some of the coins in your wallet were already spent, such as if you used a copy of wallet.dat and coins were spent in the copy but not marked as spent here."
1690 2011-03-18 22:09:57 <joepie91> ^that is one hard to understand error
1691 2011-03-18 22:09:58 <joepie91> lol
1692 2011-03-18 22:10:14 <BlueMatt> yea kinda
1693 2011-03-18 22:11:27 <joepie91> well...
1694 2011-03-18 22:11:36 <joepie91> after rewriting 3 times the dutch version is somewhat readable now :P
1695 2011-03-18 22:12:17 <joepie91> what does msgid "Open for %d blocks" refer to exactly?
1696 2011-03-18 22:12:33 <joepie91> for x blocks as in "while"
1697 2011-03-18 22:12:35 <joepie91> or as in "for"
1698 2011-03-18 22:13:18 <BlueMatt> no idea, would have to grep through the source...Ill do that in a minute
1699 2011-03-18 22:15:01 <joepie91> #: ../../../ui.cpp:489
1700 2011-03-18 22:15:03 <joepie91> :)
1701 2011-03-18 22:15:25 <BlueMatt> ha I guess my branch is off yours mines on line 5XX
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1703 2011-03-18 22:15:39 <theymos> Is it just me or are email replies working on the forum now?
1704 2011-03-18 22:15:54 <theymos> email notifications, I mean.
1705 2011-03-18 22:16:07 <BlueMatt> please let them be
1706 2011-03-18 22:17:36 <joepie91> also, that line number comes from the language file
1707 2011-03-18 22:17:40 <joepie91> I dunno how accurate it is
1708 2011-03-18 22:17:50 <BlueMatt> oh
1709 2011-03-18 22:17:56 <BlueMatt> well I dont know that that matters at all
1710 2011-03-18 22:20:10 <BlueMatt> joepie91: well its called in FormatTxStatus which typically returns %d/offline? %d/unconfirmed or %d confirmations
1711 2011-03-18 22:20:19 <BlueMatt> I have no idea when it returns Open for or Open until
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1713 2011-03-18 22:20:29 <BlueMatt> it might be some kind of future feature which isnt yet implemented
1714 2011-03-18 22:21:22 <joepie91> ah
1715 2011-03-18 22:21:26 <joepie91> then I'll let it be for now
1716 2011-03-18 22:22:22 <theymos> That's for nLockTime.
1717 2011-03-18 22:22:28 <BlueMatt> which is?
1718 2011-03-18 22:22:40 <theymos> You can lock a transaction from getting in blocks for a certain amount of time.
1719 2011-03-18 22:22:59 <BlueMatt> theymos: is that currently implemented or just a future feature?
1720 2011-03-18 22:23:45 <joepie91> also, the capitalization differs strongly for the use of the word "bitcoin"
1721 2011-03-18 22:23:46 <theymos> You can't send such transactions, but they will be accepted and processed correctly. However, transaction replacement was disabled a while ago, so it's not useful now. Replacement will probably enabled again some day, which really will make such transactions "open [for modification] for x"
1722 2011-03-18 22:23:51 <joepie91> in the original english text
1723 2011-03-18 22:24:36 <theymos> Replacement+LockTime+sequence allows interesting escrow stuff, and also "dead man's switch" stuff.
1724 2011-03-18 22:24:55 <BlueMatt> mm interesting
1725 2011-03-18 22:25:02 <joepie91> theymos: does that one line then refer to a recipient or something, or a time?
1726 2011-03-18 22:25:12 <joepie91> <joepie91>what does msgid "Open for %d blocks" refer to exactly?
1727 2011-03-18 22:25:22 <joepie91> both have very different translations in dutch :P
1728 2011-03-18 22:25:31 <Mango-chan> ;;bc,stats
1729 2011-03-18 22:25:33 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114063 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 848 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 17 hours, 21 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 66527.80073732
1730 2011-03-18 22:25:50 <Mango-chan> wait
1731 2011-03-18 22:25:50 <Mango-chan> what
1732 2011-03-18 22:25:54 <Mango-chan> is the projected difficulty broken
1733 2011-03-18 22:25:55 <Mango-chan> ?
1734 2011-03-18 22:26:08 <ArtForz> no, y?
1735 2011-03-18 22:26:13 <BlueMatt> no that is about right
1736 2011-03-18 22:26:14 <theymos> joepie91: it's a block number or a date and time.
1737 2011-03-18 22:26:22 <joepie91> okay,
1738 2011-03-18 22:26:28 <joepie91> I'll use the dutch translation of "until" then
1739 2011-03-18 22:26:29 <BlueMatt> the mysterious miner stopped so it will probably go down
1740 2011-03-18 22:27:04 <joepie91> or well, "while" approaches the translation more
1741 2011-03-18 22:27:11 <joepie91> or during
1742 2011-03-18 22:27:14 <theymos> joepie91: A long form might be "This transaction can be modified by the sender until block number x, at which point it will be locked".
1743 2011-03-18 22:27:15 <Mango-chan> who's this mystery miner?
1744 2011-03-18 22:27:28 <joepie91> okay, then "gedurende" is the right translation :P
1745 2011-03-18 22:27:29 <joepie91> thanks
1746 2011-03-18 22:27:40 <ArtForz> guess why we call him *mystery* miner
1747 2011-03-18 22:27:41 <BlueMatt> Mango-chan: no one knows, hence the mystery
1748 2011-03-18 22:27:58 <Mango-chan> ArtForz
1749 2011-03-18 22:28:06 <ArtForz> otherwise it'd be "the well-known guy with 400Ghps"
1750 2011-03-18 22:28:10 <Mango-chan> becaause he's revealed
1751 2011-03-18 22:28:13 <noagendamarket> lol
1752 2011-03-18 22:28:17 <Mango-chan> that's why he's called the mystery miner
1753 2011-03-18 22:28:22 <Diablo-D3> wait, art has 400ghps now?
1754 2011-03-18 22:28:27 <dirtyfilthy> how many blocks did the mystery miner get?
1755 2011-03-18 22:28:27 <ArtForz> nope
1756 2011-03-18 22:28:29 <Mango-chan> if you don't know him... why do you give him a name?
1757 2011-03-18 22:28:31 <Mango-chan> 1000
1758 2011-03-18 22:28:36 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: did you ever get your chips mining?
1759 2011-03-18 22:28:41 <ArtForz> yup
1760 2011-03-18 22:28:48 <Diablo-D3> how much did those add?
1761 2011-03-18 22:28:53 <ArtForz> 19.2Ghps
1762 2011-03-18 22:28:55 <noagendamarket> mystery mier=anonymous
1763 2011-03-18 22:29:04 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: ffffffwhat
1764 2011-03-18 22:29:14 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: how much was all your shit before
1765 2011-03-18 22:29:16 <Mango-chan> i guess he was here  to prove a point
1766 2011-03-18 22:29:18 <Mango-chan> it's easy as fuck to disrupt bitcoins
1767 2011-03-18 22:29:23 <Mango-chan> therefore bitcoins is shit
1768 2011-03-18 22:29:24 <ArtForz> my gpus total 24.something
1769 2011-03-18 22:29:30 <Mango-chan> 1 guy -> fuck everything up
1770 2011-03-18 22:29:56 <ArtForz> shut down my lesser GPUs, so now I'm doing ~39 combined
1771 2011-03-18 22:30:06 <dirtyfilthy> Mango-chan: not only that but he can now start dumping all those blocks on the market...
1772 2011-03-18 22:30:09 <noagendamarket> youre assuming it was 1 guy
1773 2011-03-18 22:30:11 <Mango-chan> yeah
1774 2011-03-18 22:30:16 <Mango-chan> noagendamarket
1775 2011-03-18 22:30:17 <Mango-chan> one guy
1776 2011-03-18 22:30:18 <Mango-chan> one group
1777 2011-03-18 22:30:21 <Mango-chan> all the same shit
1778 2011-03-18 22:31:17 <ArtForz> well, sure looks like a single entity http://blockexplorer.com/a/eE8FVTkbx
1779 2011-03-18 22:31:26 <noagendamarket> if he dumpas those 50 000 coins it would depress the market for quite awhile
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1781 2011-03-18 22:31:46 <noagendamarket> although that would be a good buying opp
1782 2011-03-18 22:31:47 <BlueMatt> if he tried to dump them now hed sell like 500 and then there would be no more buyers
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1784 2011-03-18 22:31:52 <Mango-chan> yeah
1785 2011-03-18 22:31:55 <Mango-chan> and then the market crashes
1786 2011-03-18 22:31:56 <BlueMatt> so you could start buying 0.01
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1790 2011-03-18 22:32:06 <noagendamarket> nice :)
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1793 2011-03-18 22:32:37 <joepie91> err
1794 2011-03-18 22:32:41 <joepie91> there are duplicates in the language file
1795 2011-03-18 22:32:42 <joepie91> :P
1796 2011-03-18 22:33:31 <ArtForz> I'm pretty sure you could find someone willing to buy all 50k at $0.50 or so
1797 2011-03-18 22:33:50 <genjix> who's selling at that price?
1798 2011-03-18 22:33:54 <ArtForz> no one
1799 2011-03-18 22:33:58 <genjix> k
1800 2011-03-18 22:34:02 <Mango-chan> i'll sell you 200 coins
1801 2011-03-18 22:34:14 <genjix> do you take pokerstars$?
1802 2011-03-18 22:34:23 <Mango-chan> no
1803 2011-03-18 22:34:23 <xelister> BlueMatt: translate to what languages?
1804 2011-03-18 22:34:32 <BlueMatt> xelister: anything
1805 2011-03-18 22:34:45 <BlueMatt> xelister: well anything that is currently supported, I just need like 1 line translated
1806 2011-03-18 22:34:47 <xelister> BlueMatt: pl?
1807 2011-03-18 22:35:05 <ArtForz> but hey, if you want to dump 50k quickly, thats probably a lot easier than trying to sell em 1k-wise around market price
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1809 2011-03-18 22:35:27 <BlueMatt> xelister: I dont see a pl in the list of current locale's maybe you want to translate the whole project ;)?
1810 2011-03-18 22:35:39 <xelister> BlueMatt: for some btc, yes
1811 2011-03-18 22:35:56 <xelister> can be symbolic amount probably... got the english file online somewhere?
1812 2011-03-18 22:36:10 <xelister> what project is that again?
1813 2011-03-18 22:36:16 <BlueMatt> xelister: bitcoin mainline
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1816 2011-03-18 22:37:16 <xelister> BlueMatt: I dunno... 50 btc? 10?  anyone?
1817 2011-03-18 22:37:25 <joepie91> unrelated, that might be relevant for projects here as well.. I am working on a "crowd translation" site as well :)
1818 2011-03-18 22:37:46 <joepie91> aka create project, import strings (with a sort of regex gen), and then anyone can translate without registration
1819 2011-03-18 22:37:49 <theymos> Who here is seeing "notify" next to "reply" and "mark unread" on the forum? Maybe it's just moderators or users with many posts. 0-post members don't have it.
1820 2011-03-18 22:37:51 <jrabbit> BlueMatt: jsut use gogoel translate?
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1822 2011-03-18 22:38:07 <joepie91> google translate is horrible for software interfaces :P
1823 2011-03-18 22:38:10 <BlueMatt> jrabbit: Id much rather get a real translation that a hacked together google one
1824 2011-03-18 22:38:23 <xelister> oh its just 200 messages
1825 2011-03-18 22:38:25 <joepie91> I've worked with a few opensource applications that had obvious google translate stuff in dutch
1826 2011-03-18 22:38:33 <joepie91> I switched to english after 1 minute, they drove me crazy
1827 2011-03-18 22:39:46 <jrabbit> hah
1828 2011-03-18 22:39:52 <xelister> BlueMatt: I will translate entire project + your up to 20 strings for 9 btc
1829 2011-03-18 22:40:11 <luke-jr> :o
1830 2011-03-18 22:40:15 <luke-jr> into what language?
1831 2011-03-18 22:41:47 <jgarzik> xelister: I need to figure out how to internationalize the website I'm about to open
1832 2011-03-18 22:42:00 <jgarzik> django has i18n stuff, so I know it's possible
1833 2011-03-18 22:42:09 <jgarzik> might be interesting in paying BTC to translate it
1834 2011-03-18 22:42:20 <joepie91> repost incoming
1835 2011-03-18 22:42:22 <joepie91> <joepie91>unrelated, that might be relevant for projects here as well.. I am working on a "crowd translation" site as well :)
1836 2011-03-18 22:42:23 <joepie91> <joepie91>aka create project, import strings (with a sort of regex gen), and then anyone can translate without registration
1837 2011-03-18 22:42:34 <joepie91> might also implement bitcoin in some way
1838 2011-03-18 22:42:40 <joepie91> so that a project creator can offer a "reward"
1839 2011-03-18 22:42:57 <joepie91> or sth
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1841 2011-03-18 22:45:25 <xelister> luke-jr: into .pl. Its 75% off the price, because its bitcoin :)
1842 2011-03-18 22:45:31 <xelister> * because its the Bitcoin project
1843 2011-03-18 22:45:53 <xelister> jgarzik: well, almost everything is based on gettext, so using same po/mo files
1844 2011-03-18 22:46:00 <luke-jr> xelister: wait, is it ENTIREPROJECT + 20 more, or ENTIREPROJECT *up to* 20?
1845 2011-03-18 22:46:11 <xelister> luke-jr: entire project is just 200 messages
1846 2011-03-18 22:46:14 <xelister> so 220 mesages
1847 2011-03-18 22:46:35 <xelister> wait, let me check if all messages are short, or are there any say 1000 word help pages there =)
1848 2011-03-18 22:46:45 <luke-jr> :D
1849 2011-03-18 22:46:56 <xelister> yeah, it is ok.
1850 2011-03-18 22:46:59 <luke-jr> lol
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1852 2011-03-18 22:47:10 <luke-jr> so not just ANY project, that quote is for a SPECIFIC one :p
1853 2011-03-18 22:47:30 <jgarzik> xelister: yep.  django uses gettext, like everything else, it appears.  The trouble is finding out the proper content negotiation for HTML pages.  I need en/zh/de/pl/etc. versions of each HTML page, I think.
1854 2011-03-18 22:47:39 <xelister> yes.  I can translate Bitcoin client for symbolic price, just for the cause
1855 2011-03-18 22:48:03 <luke-jr> xelister: how about Spesmilo? :P
1856 2011-03-18 22:48:05 <xelister> if anyone finds this cool you can add donations on top on 9 btc or help donate Bitcoin-over-Freenet :)
1857 2011-03-18 22:48:28 <xelister> BlueMatt: so interested?  bitcoin/trunk/locale/pl/*po file for 9
1858 2011-03-18 22:49:15 <xelister> jgarzik: the solition that I use sometimes, is to write not enlish texts inside gettext("...") or _(".."),  but write there IDs, or mix of them
1859 2011-03-18 22:49:15 <BlueMatt> xelister: sorry, Im not paying to get bitcoin translated. Though if there is someone who wants a specific language maybe they would pay
1860 2011-03-18 22:49:16 <genjix> jgarzik: what's your website?
1861 2011-03-18 22:49:17 <xelister> like
1862 2011-03-18 22:49:31 <luke-jr> xelister: how much to teach me and my family Polish?
1863 2011-03-18 22:49:37 <genjix> kurwa
1864 2011-03-18 22:49:43 <genjix> now you know all the polish needed
1865 2011-03-18 22:49:43 <xelister> genjix: :{   ;)
1866 2011-03-18 22:49:52 <genjix> xelister: you're polish?
1867 2011-03-18 22:49:53 <xelister> luke-jr: polish is super complex language, especially about gramatics
1868 2011-03-18 22:50:01 <genjix> i've travelled many many times around poland lots :p
1869 2011-03-18 22:50:02 <xelister> probably one of worst in world
1870 2011-03-18 22:50:03 <jgarzik> genjix: the one I'm building :)
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1872 2011-03-18 22:50:16 <xelister> each ver can have like... 7 * 3 * 3 forms or so
1873 2011-03-18 22:50:19 <xelister> each verb can have like... 7 * 3 * 3 forms or so
1874 2011-03-18 22:50:20 <genjix> jgarzik: spill some beans?
1875 2011-03-18 22:50:24 <genjix> yep cases
1876 2011-03-18 22:50:33 <BlueMatt> though I might pay someone to deal with windows building of upnp branch because I really dont feel like doing that...
1877 2011-03-18 22:50:42 <xelister> and this forms are not fully regular
1878 2011-03-18 22:50:51 <BlueMatt> it was hard enough getting osx bitcoin to build
1879 2011-03-18 22:50:57 <jgarzik> genjix: smart payment processing, private bitcoind nodes, private pools, generic web hosting, GPG pay-BTC-for-ratings trust metrics, other gadgets
1880 2011-03-18 22:51:09 <xelister> BlueMatt: building bitcoin patched with your patch into .exe ?  yeah we can help with that
1881 2011-03-18 22:51:18 <xelister> genjix: I speak polish
1882 2011-03-18 22:51:22 <xelister> Im martian
1883 2011-03-18 22:51:23 <BlueMatt> xelister: no programming the makefile for windows
1884 2011-03-18 22:51:25 <xelister> >_>
1885 2011-03-18 22:51:32 <xelister> BlueMatt: for mingw compiler?
1886 2011-03-18 22:51:38 <BlueMatt> well I use programming liberally
1887 2011-03-18 22:51:43 <BlueMatt> but yea whatever it currently uses
1888 2011-03-18 22:51:47 <xelister> BlueMatt: I can write it. Also for crosscompile.
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1890 2011-03-18 22:51:59 <genjix> jgarzik: very cool. I was thinking about the smart payment processing today- how you cannot use cheap/free hosts to create bitcoin sites because you need a VPS to run bitcoind
1891 2011-03-18 22:52:03 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: I was remarking on another channel that a source tarball + Windows binary should suffice for nightly builds of -upstream and -patches.  IMHO.
1892 2011-03-18 22:52:11 <luke-jr> xelister: so what's the price?
1893 2011-03-18 22:52:11 <xelister> I did it previously but just  the bitcoind (which is much simpler since no wx)
1894 2011-03-18 22:52:25 <jgarzik> genjix: ...building a bitcoin node backbone...
1895 2011-03-18 22:52:26 <genjix> maybe allow people to use wallet accounts by prefixing their username
1896 2011-03-18 22:52:32 <xelister> luke-jr: to learn polish?  well, to what level :)  I would not do it personally probably but I can find someone
1897 2011-03-18 22:52:45 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: well the linux builds are pretty small and osx building is a real PITA
1898 2011-03-18 22:52:48 <jgarzik> genjix: easy enough to do with a JSON-RPC proxy server like poold.py :)
1899 2011-03-18 22:52:54 <xelister> BlueMatt: would makefile to crossbuild to windows on linux be ok?
1900 2011-03-18 22:53:02 <luke-jr> xelister: standard fluency? :P
1901 2011-03-18 22:53:06 <BlueMatt> xelister: just update the windows makefile for miniupnpc
1902 2011-03-18 22:53:14 <BlueMatt> in fact I dont know anyone who has built properly on osx aside from the vm on amazon
1903 2011-03-18 22:53:15 <genjix> jgarzik: will you open the code up?
1904 2011-03-18 22:53:18 <genjix> agpl
1905 2011-03-18 22:53:19 <joepie91> BlueMatt: can you provide me a copy and paste ready block to replace the old copyright notice with in the .po?
1906 2011-03-18 22:53:26 <joepie91> I am not sure how to add in the new text there
1907 2011-03-18 22:53:37 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: I think Linux binaries are less useful, because (a) it depends _greatly_ on OS/shared lib version, and (b) most people on Linux are probably more likely to be able to build the package
1908 2011-03-18 22:53:38 <joepie91> because the length differs etc, not familiar with this langfile format at all :P
1909 2011-03-18 22:53:47 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: ran into the shared lib problem trying your nightly builds
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1911 2011-03-18 22:53:58 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: which shared lib might I ask?
1912 2011-03-18 22:54:01 <jgarzik> Linux binaries are just less useful in general, IMHO
1913 2011-03-18 22:54:05 <genjix> for linux you should be providing packages anyway
1914 2011-03-18 22:54:07 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: miniupnp
1915 2011-03-18 22:54:11 <jgarzik> genjix: agreed
1916 2011-03-18 22:54:17 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: that is static I thought
1917 2011-03-18 22:54:25 <BlueMatt> arg did I not make that static
1918 2011-03-18 22:54:39 <BlueMatt> genjix: yea I might just do that
1919 2011-03-18 22:55:00 <genjix> cool
1920 2011-03-18 22:55:06 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: packages are really the way to go these days.  it makes sure you get the lib dependencies right.
1921 2011-03-18 22:55:06 <genjix> do you need a vps?
1922 2011-03-18 22:55:14 <jgarzik> of course, then you have an explosion of builds...
1923 2011-03-18 22:55:16 <joepie91> .. wait, didn't follow the above conversation, but is someone else working on a payment gateway?
1924 2011-03-18 22:55:24 <genjix> joepie91: yes jgarzik
1925 2011-03-18 22:55:26 <BlueMatt> genjix: no I can build on my vm in the basement
1926 2011-03-18 22:55:29 <BlueMatt> but thanks
1927 2011-03-18 22:55:30 <jgarzik> joepie91: that's one of my many plots
1928 2011-03-18 22:55:32 <genjix> ok
1929 2011-03-18 22:55:33 <joepie91> oh
1930 2011-03-18 22:55:37 <joepie91> because that was what I was working on
1931 2011-03-18 22:55:38 <joepie91> lol
1932 2011-03-18 22:55:40 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: there are no packages for libminiupnpc on ubuntu
1933 2011-03-18 22:55:42 <joepie91> what is your idea?
1934 2011-03-18 22:55:49 <jgarzik> joepie91: but the other day I encouraged you to do the same -- because bitcoin needs more payment gateways in general
1935 2011-03-18 22:55:54 <joepie91> ahh
1936 2011-03-18 22:55:56 <jgarzik> better for bitcoin
1937 2011-03-18 22:56:00 <joepie91> didn't catch that you were doing the same
1938 2011-03-18 22:56:01 <joepie91> :P
1939 2011-03-18 22:56:03 <joepie91> true
1940 2011-03-18 22:56:07 <joepie91> also, i got the domain already
1941 2011-03-18 22:56:10 <genjix> payment gateway is not hard
1942 2011-03-18 22:56:12 <joepie91> :)
1943 2011-03-18 22:56:14 <jgarzik> joepie91: better for bitcoin, not necessarily better for me personally :)
1944 2011-03-18 22:56:22 <jgarzik> but in balance, what's better for bitcoin...
1945 2011-03-18 22:56:24 <joepie91> genjix: writing it is not hard, keeping it reliable is a lot harder
1946 2011-03-18 22:56:33 <joepie91> jgarzik: mhh, I'm not doing it for myself anyway
1947 2011-03-18 22:56:37 <BlueMatt> joepie91: http://pastebin.com/qF1Ltq98
1948 2011-03-18 22:56:39 <joepie91> I won't have any transaction fees or anything
1949 2011-03-18 22:56:47 <genjix> i dont think any of us are doing this for ourselves :p
1950 2011-03-18 22:56:53 <jgarzik> joepie91: heck, you could even contract with my biz for the nodes for your payment network :)
1951 2011-03-18 22:56:54 <genjix> otherwise we'd be stupid
1952 2011-03-18 22:56:56 <joepie91> BlueMatt: thanks
1953 2011-03-18 22:57:02 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: if I statically link a library the dynamic library shouldnt matter right?
1954 2011-03-18 22:57:09 <joepie91> jgarzik: atm, I'm planning to run it off a dirt cheap VPS :P
1955 2011-03-18 22:57:10 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: correct
1956 2011-03-18 22:57:18 <joepie91> also, I snagged www.paybtc.com
1957 2011-03-18 22:57:18 <BlueMatt> joepie91: oops thats the upnp version...remove the ...en UPnP... part
1958 2011-03-18 22:57:19 <joepie91> :)
1959 2011-03-18 22:57:20 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: but packages should solve that for you
1960 2011-03-18 22:57:31 <xelister> luke-jr: fluent polish? ha, that would take years :)
1961 2011-03-18 22:57:36 <joepie91> oh, in that case I'll just fix the old translation, if that doesn't have to be in there yet
1962 2011-03-18 22:57:48 <luke-jr> xelister: that's ok
1963 2011-03-18 22:57:52 <luke-jr> xelister: the oldest is 5
1964 2011-03-18 22:57:56 <BlueMatt> joepie91: oh no please dont include upnp stuff in your translation
1965 2011-03-18 22:58:14 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: ok, but Id rather not package 20 libraries just to ship bitcoin
1966 2011-03-18 22:58:22 <xelister> jgarzik: so you will probably offer bounty to translate your site using gettext into pl soon?
1967 2011-03-18 22:58:29 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: for miniupnpc Id rather just statically link it and not worry about it
1968 2011-03-18 22:58:57 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: fail
1969 2011-03-18 22:59:45 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: yeah if the OS is missing a lib entirely, I'd just throw it into the bitcoin pkg for expedience
1970 2011-03-18 22:59:49 * xelister bbl / if something then PM me.
1971 2011-03-18 23:00:00 <jgarzik> xelister: sometime, yes
1972 2011-03-18 23:00:08 <xelister> ok
1973 2011-03-18 23:00:12 <jgarzik> xelister: soon?  unknown :)  I need to code i18n first
1974 2011-03-18 23:00:18 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: yea miniupnpc isnt even in debian stable so itl be a while before it will be in ubuntu which is what Im planning on supporting because its so popular
1975 2011-03-18 23:00:27 <xelister> jgarzik: how is it written now, just english everywhere?
1976 2011-03-18 23:00:38 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: miniupnpc will get into debian stable at the same time bitcoind will
1977 2011-03-18 23:00:48 <jgarzik> xelister: yes.  the English is in HTML web page templates (snippets of HTML).
1978 2011-03-18 23:00:52 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: but if Im going to provide packages before that...
1979 2011-03-18 23:00:54 <xelister> jgarzik: we did pure-english --> using gettext etc website before.  have even experince with stuff like support for variables in string, and plural forms.
1980 2011-03-18 23:01:13 <xelister> jgarzik: lets talk after weekend  (Im trying to not think about coding after 60h work week lol ;)
1981 2011-03-18 23:01:13 <jgarzik> xelister: need to change template/index.html to template/en/index.html, and then copy to template/pl/index.html
1982 2011-03-18 23:01:16 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: then it's best to create a repository with backports of the missing dependencies
1983 2011-03-18 23:01:22 <jgarzik> xelister: and get proper browser redirecting for that...
1984 2011-03-18 23:01:22 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: backporting isn't very difficult
1985 2011-03-18 23:01:44 <jgarzik> I think joepie91's idea for crowd-sourcing translations, for bitcoins, is interesting
1986 2011-03-18 23:02:01 <joepie91> the original idea was not including bitcoins... but I had been thinking about a reward system
1987 2011-03-18 23:02:13 <joepie91> and when someone mentioned translating for btc a few minutes ago it dawned on me :P
1988 2011-03-18 23:02:18 <xelister> jgarzik: that is one approach, but it will be better for you to have one .html (or well .php / html file)  that uses _gettext for texts.  If you copy and then translte entire HTMLs, that is IDIOTIC =)  sorry ;) because, you will be forever locked in,  any change to website like adding one more input field will mean editing 20 files.
1989 2011-03-18 23:02:18 <jgarzik> yep :)
1990 2011-03-18 23:02:26 <joepie91> anyhow
1991 2011-03-18 23:02:32 <joepie91> that site should go online somewhere in the next weeks
1992 2011-03-18 23:02:38 <joepie91> I used a piratepad to translate anonnews
1993 2011-03-18 23:02:42 <joepie91> but it was plagued by vandalism
1994 2011-03-18 23:02:46 <xelister> jgarzik: many html files == x10 times more work in future.  I know because we converted such solution into proper gettext :)
1995 2011-03-18 23:02:57 <joepie91> which is how the idea was originally born... the piratepad DID provide me with a lot of translations though
1996 2011-03-18 23:02:59 <jgarzik> xelister: the HTML has paragraph-long English exposition.  gettext is more for short messages and input fields.
1997 2011-03-18 23:03:06 <jgarzik> paragraphs-long
1998 2011-03-18 23:03:07 <xelister> yes, that is ok
1999 2011-03-18 23:03:21 <jgarzik> things like the site FAQ
2000 2011-03-18 23:03:22 <xelister> anyway gettext is limited to afair 200-something characters (or 1000 something?) per message
2001 2011-03-18 23:03:25 <xelister> yes
2002 2011-03-18 23:03:33 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: best? yes, easier? no
2003 2011-03-18 23:03:34 <xelister> at least on most implemenataiotn
2004 2011-03-18 23:03:41 * xelister *poof*
2005 2011-03-18 23:03:45 <jgarzik> xelister: interesting.  I did not know that.
2006 2011-03-18 23:03:47 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: actually, I think it would be easier
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2008 2011-03-18 23:04:01 <joepie91> poof, translation done
2009 2011-03-18 23:04:02 <jgarzik> ArtForz: interesting idea, to encode the password
2010 2011-03-18 23:04:03 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: but I don't use Debian/Ubuntu usually
2011 2011-03-18 23:04:07 <joepie91> where could I send it again, BlueMatt?
2012 2011-03-18 23:04:14 <jgarzik> ArtForz: on the scratch-off cards
2013 2011-03-18 23:04:15 <BlueMatt> joepie91: ask jgarzik
2014 2011-03-18 23:04:20 <joepie91> jgarzik: ? :P
2015 2011-03-18 23:04:28 <jgarzik> joepie91: ? :)
2016 2011-03-18 23:04:31 <joepie91> got the dutch translation done
2017 2011-03-18 23:04:34 <ArtForz> yeah, just randomly though that should make it a bit harder to pull off a table attack
2018 2011-03-18 23:04:36 <joepie91> revised the entire .po
2019 2011-03-18 23:04:49 <joepie91> it desperately needed some fixes :P
2020 2011-03-18 23:04:50 <jgarzik> joepie91: can you create a pull request?  if not, you can email gavin + tcatm + me a patch.
2021 2011-03-18 23:04:58 <joepie91> I think emailing would be the best idea
2022 2011-03-18 23:05:02 <joepie91> since I have no clue how to handle git yet
2023 2011-03-18 23:05:02 <joepie91> :P
2024 2011-03-18 23:05:05 <jgarzik> ok
2025 2011-03-18 23:05:05 <ArtForz> and ofc making it relatively expensive also helps
2026 2011-03-18 23:05:17 <jgarzik> ArtForz: yep
2027 2011-03-18 23:06:20 <ArtForz> since now instead of 2**32 time "add G to point, inc x, see if you have resulting point in table" you have to do "do pubkey->code map, run sha256 100k times, multiply result with G to get next pubkey, see if you have that one in table"
2028 2011-03-18 23:06:56 <jgarzik> yep
2029 2011-03-18 23:08:18 <BlueMatt> arent there already bitcoin repos?
2030 2011-03-18 23:08:30 <jgarzik> I forget where I first read about the "hash password 1000 times" type technique.  something like RFC 2848 or somesuch, password-based crypto.
2031 2011-03-18 23:08:38 * jgarzik was just reading that the other day
2032 2011-03-18 23:10:02 <ArtForz> a 5970 can do a bit over 1G sha256s/sec, so thats > 1 day on 4*5970 just for the 2**32 pbkdf2...100k part
2033 2011-03-18 23:10:03 <ArtForz> yup
2034 2011-03-18 23:10:26 <ArtForz> it's a standard password->key function, designed to be as slow as you want it to be ;)
2035 2011-03-18 23:11:01 <sipa> joepie91: you have it in a cloned git repo?
2036 2011-03-18 23:11:23 <ArtForz> shouldnt be a problem for legit code redeeming
2037 2011-03-18 23:11:46 <ArtForz> even a atom can do a few 100k sha256/s
2038 2011-03-18 23:12:15 <joepie91> nope, I have no clue how to use git
2039 2011-03-18 23:12:19 <joepie91> you want to review the language file?
2040 2011-03-18 23:12:33 <joepie91> I can pastebin it before sending it in :)
2041 2011-03-18 23:12:43 <sipa> sure
2042 2011-03-18 23:13:34 <joepie91> aaand of course it triggered the spamfilter
2043 2011-03-18 23:13:35 <joepie91> http://pastebin.com/aT3W2Em2
2044 2011-03-18 23:13:43 <joepie91> the pastebin spamfilter is getting more aggressive by the day it seems
2045 2011-03-18 23:14:29 <sipa> joepie91: verbind alleen met deze node
2046 2011-03-18 23:14:32 <sipa> met ipv naar
2047 2011-03-18 23:14:36 <joepie91> oh idd
2048 2011-03-18 23:14:48 <sipa> Het programma is gecrasht
2049 2011-03-18 23:14:51 <sipa> (niet -ed)
2050 2011-03-18 23:14:57 <sipa> en wordt afgesloten
2051 2011-03-18 23:15:00 <sipa> (niet word)
2052 2011-03-18 23:15:10 <joepie91> gecrasht/gecrashed... ik heb daar nog een hele discussie over gehad met mijn NL leraar
2053 2011-03-18 23:15:14 <joepie91> volgens hem kon het allebei
2054 2011-03-18 23:15:16 <joepie91> ff opzoeken
2055 2011-03-18 23:15:30 <sipa> het enige juiste is gecrasht, heel zeker :)
2056 2011-03-18 23:16:05 <sipa> http://taaladvies.net/taal/advies/tekst/31
2057 2011-03-18 23:16:06 <joepie91> onzetaal zegt gecrasht idd
2058 2011-03-18 23:16:10 <joepie91> ja, was aan het lezen :P
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2060 2011-03-18 23:16:34 <joepie91> fix'd
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2062 2011-03-18 23:17:12 <sipa> Portefeuille zonder hoofdletter
2063 2011-03-18 23:18:32 <joepie91> mja, kweenie
2064 2011-03-18 23:18:43 <joepie91> is misschien iets beter te begrijpen als je het met een hoofdletter schrijft
2065 2011-03-18 23:18:52 <joepie91> voor de niet zo technische mensen :P
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2067 2011-03-18 23:19:50 <sipa> detail: "De betaling was verstuurd" -> ik zou daar werd van maken
2068 2011-03-18 23:20:08 <joepie91> of "is"
2069 2011-03-18 23:20:12 <sipa> (apologies for the dutch in this english channel, but we're discussing the dutch translation)
2070 2011-03-18 23:20:15 <joepie91> ik denk dat ik die over het hoofd gezien heb xD
2071 2011-03-18 23:20:16 <sipa> ook goed
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2073 2011-03-18 23:20:55 <sipa> verifieren is eigenlijk met een trema
2074 2011-03-18 23:20:59 <joepie91> heb het gelijk overal ff in "is" veranderd
2075 2011-03-18 23:21:00 <joepie91> ja idd
2076 2011-03-18 23:21:03 <joepie91> maar mijn trema's zijn kapot
2077 2011-03-18 23:21:03 <joepie91> -_-
2078 2011-03-18 23:21:10 <joepie91> (ik haat Windows, serieus)
2079 2011-03-18 23:21:25 <sipa> gebruik dan iets anders :D
2080 2011-03-18 23:21:30 <joepie91> err, dit is mijn windows box :P
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2082 2011-03-18 23:21:38 <joepie91> normaal werk ik met opensuse
2083 2011-03-18 23:21:49 <joepie91> ik ga ff klooien met keyboard settings, moment
2084 2011-03-18 23:22:27 <sipa> en de cryptografische software -> "de" wegdoen
2085 2011-03-18 23:22:55 <joepie91> fair enough
2086 2011-03-18 23:23:01 <sipa> done!
2087 2011-03-18 23:23:04 <joepie91> oh, en ik heb gewoon ff via speciale tekens een trema gepakt
2088 2011-03-18 23:23:04 <joepie91> ok
2089 2011-03-18 23:23:05 <joepie91> :P
2090 2011-03-18 23:23:08 <joepie91> dan mail ik hem ff
2091 2011-03-18 23:23:08 <sipa> ziet er goed uit :)
2092 2011-03-18 23:23:14 <joepie91> mja, sowieso een stuk beter dan de oude
2093 2011-03-18 23:23:16 <joepie91> die was nogal... brak
2094 2011-03-18 23:23:29 <joepie91> beter dan de NL vertaling van NetTalk... maar toch :P
2095 2011-03-18 23:23:33 <joepie91> anyway, back to english :)
2096 2011-03-18 23:23:53 <sipa> if you want to, i'll create the pull request on github
2097 2011-03-18 23:24:58 <joepie91> oh
2098 2011-03-18 23:25:00 <joepie91> that's ok too
2099 2011-03-18 23:25:07 <joepie91> can I email it? to avoid encoding shit etc with pastebin
2100 2011-03-18 23:25:18 <joepie91> wouldn't be the first time pastebin fucks up accented characters...
2101 2011-03-18 23:25:25 <sipa> see pm
2102 2011-03-18 23:25:28 <joepie91> k :)
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2105 2011-03-18 23:28:01 <joepie91> k so
2106 2011-03-18 23:28:08 <joepie91> dutch translation fixed, sipa is doing pull request
2107 2011-03-18 23:28:12 <joepie91> -> mission accomplished :D
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2109 2011-03-18 23:28:23 <joepie91> (which reminds me I should still work on the dutch NetTalk translation...)
2110 2011-03-18 23:29:30 <BlueMatt> joepie91: nice
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2117 2011-03-18 23:37:23 <sipa> joepie91: sure you've sent me the right file?
2118 2011-03-18 23:37:39 <joepie91> it should be :/
2119 2011-03-18 23:37:42 <joepie91> problem with it
2120 2011-03-18 23:37:44 <joepie91> ?
2121 2011-03-18 23:37:55 <sipa> it is identical to the original
2122 2011-03-18 23:38:07 <sipa> and contains a lot of language errors
2123 2011-03-18 23:38:12 <joepie91> err
2124 2011-03-18 23:38:12 <joepie91> sec
2125 2011-03-18 23:38:36 <joepie91> bitcoin overwrites it with the original again or what?
2126 2011-03-18 23:38:46 <sipa> ?
2127 2011-03-18 23:39:33 <joepie91> I saved it back into the locale dir
2128 2011-03-18 23:39:37 <joepie91> anyhow
2129 2011-03-18 23:39:40 <joepie91> saved it somewhere else now
2130 2011-03-18 23:39:46 <joepie91> but now gmail bitches upload failed
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2133 2011-03-18 23:40:49 <sipa> strange
2134 2011-03-18 23:41:09 <joepie91> resent
2135 2011-03-18 23:44:25 <sipa> joepie91: see pm
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2139 2011-03-18 23:48:23 <sipa> joepie91: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/124
2140 2011-03-18 23:48:42 <genjix> is thepiratebay.org down for anybody else?
2141 2011-03-18 23:48:54 <joepie91> thanks :)
2142 2011-03-18 23:48:59 <BlueMatt> genjix: down for me...why are you on tpb?
2143 2011-03-18 23:49:10 <joepie91> it's down like every few days for me
2144 2011-03-18 23:49:16 <joepie91> (and it's asked every few days)
2145 2011-03-18 23:49:22 <genjix> why do you think im on tpb?
2146 2011-03-18 23:49:36 <genjix> joepie91: kk do you know any other good torrent sites?
2147 2011-03-18 23:50:01 <joepie91> isohunt, torrentz, piratebay, mininova
2148 2011-03-18 23:50:01 <joepie91> etc
2149 2011-03-18 23:50:02 <joepie91> also
2150 2011-03-18 23:50:06 <joepie91> www.sven-slootweg.nl/downloads
2151 2011-03-18 23:50:08 <joepie91> it's a bit broken
2152 2011-03-18 23:50:12 <joepie91> but if you use windows
2153 2011-03-18 23:50:17 <joepie91> I have a small torrent searcher there
2154 2011-03-18 23:50:25 <joepie91> only does isohunt and mininova atm, tbp is broken
2155 2011-03-18 23:50:34 <joepie91> (and it's _fast_)
2156 2011-03-18 23:50:37 <genjix> i want this http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4406197/Windows_XP_Home_Edition_with_Service_Pack_3_Retail_(x86)_(TPB)
2157 2011-03-18 23:50:43 <genjix> for my friend obviously
2158 2011-03-18 23:51:08 <genjix> meh
2159 2011-03-18 23:51:12 <joepie91> if message.Contains("Windows") and message.Contains("torrent")
2160 2011-03-18 23:51:12 <joepie91> ignoreMessage()
2161 2011-03-18 23:51:12 <joepie91> end if
2162 2011-03-18 23:51:21 <joepie91> :P
2163 2011-03-18 23:51:43 <genjix> what language is that?
2164 2011-03-18 23:51:48 <joepie91> vb.net
2165 2011-03-18 23:51:53 <genjix> :o
2166 2011-03-18 23:52:05 <joepie91> vb.net is actually quite nice if you know what to _not_ use it for
2167 2011-03-18 23:52:07 <joepie91> :P
2168 2011-03-18 23:52:16 <genjix> my first language ever was QBASIC
2169 2011-03-18 23:52:31 <Validus> i had to take qbasic in high school lol
2170 2011-03-18 23:53:16 <genjix> what a cool school
2171 2011-03-18 23:53:36 <joepie91> brb
2172 2011-03-18 23:54:06 <Validus> i almost got suspended for making a fake dos prompt, and whatever keypress you made said it was formatting the hard drive and i animated the icon to make it look like it
2173 2011-03-18 23:54:13 <Validus> then i put a laughing ascii skull at the end
2174 2011-03-18 23:54:23 <Validus> if you got to dos prompt in our school it was grounds for expulsion
2175 2011-03-18 23:54:24 <genjix> joepie91: haha schooltools + tornt = i like it
2176 2011-03-18 23:54:47 <genjix> Validus: i got expelled for several years of continuous abuse and disregard for security :p
2177 2011-03-18 23:54:55 <genjix> in short, i had total control of everything
2178 2011-03-18 23:54:56 <Validus> i registered all the shareware menus to
2179 2011-03-18 23:55:00 <Validus> and got caught with postal
2180 2011-03-18 23:55:01 <Validus> lol
2181 2011-03-18 23:55:16 <Validus> but i was the long haired freak in a cowboy school. i was supposed to been dumb
2182 2011-03-18 23:55:18 <joepie91> lol
2183 2011-03-18 23:55:20 <joepie91> @command
2184 2011-03-18 23:55:21 <joepie91> :D
2185 2011-03-18 23:55:27 <Validus> i actually ended up interning for the school on their networks my senior year
2186 2011-03-18 23:55:29 <joepie91> make a bat file with @command in it
2187 2011-03-18 23:55:33 <Validus> i got to spend all day on irc with a t1 and a 3 gig hdd
2188 2011-03-18 23:55:36 <joepie91> breaks every no-command-prompt protection
2189 2011-03-18 23:55:38 <Validus> i was the shit
2190 2011-03-18 23:55:45 <joepie91> notepad was blocked on our network
2191 2011-03-18 23:55:46 <genjix> the school network admins literally hated me
2192 2011-03-18 23:55:46 <joepie91> :P
2193 2011-03-18 23:55:46 Lartza has quit (Quit: Lähdössä)
2194 2011-03-18 23:55:54 <genjix> i was banned from being on the same floor as a computer
2195 2011-03-18 23:55:56 <Validus> the admin was my physics teacher
2196 2011-03-18 23:56:01 <joepie91> our admins said notepad was "a hacker tool intended to break into the source code of websites"
2197 2011-03-18 23:56:04 <genjix> in lessons, i had to leave if the teacher used a computer
2198 2011-03-18 23:56:11 <Validus> he laughed when i filled up his 3 gig hdd with a text file for jon the ripper
2199 2011-03-18 23:56:20 <Validus> they woudlnt give me the password i needed so i went to crack it
2200 2011-03-18 23:56:29 <genjix> didnt stop me... got expelled eventually.
2201 2011-03-18 23:56:32 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,gen 990000
2202 2011-03-18 23:56:34 <Validus> i never got expelled
2203 2011-03-18 23:56:35 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 990000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 13.0688830507 BTC per day and 0.544536793778 BTC per hour.
2204 2011-03-18 23:56:37 <Validus> they thought it was funny
2205 2011-03-18 23:56:44 <Validus> librarians hated me
2206 2011-03-18 23:57:15 <Validus> but you cant beat an A in a class for playing on irc and having to do some network installs
2207 2011-03-18 23:57:24 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,gen 1067000
2208 2011-03-18 23:57:26 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1067000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 14.0853517324 BTC per day and 0.586889655516 BTC per hour.
2209 2011-03-18 23:57:59 <genjix> 1 network admin was also my IT teacher. i got F every single term.
2210 2011-03-18 23:58:01 <Validus> somehow i aced physics but almost failed algebra my school grades were interesting
2211 2011-03-18 23:58:11 <genjix> figure that one out :) obv hated me.
2212 2011-03-18 23:58:19 <Validus> the IT teachers liked me once they figured out i knew what i was doing
2213 2011-03-18 23:58:25 <genjix> and would never acknowledge me giving a correct answer
2214 2011-03-18 23:58:30 <Validus> i only got caught for the dos prompt thing cuz he reviewed his webcam in class
2215 2011-03-18 23:58:32 <Validus> i forgot about it
2216 2011-03-18 23:58:33 <Validus> lol
2217 2011-03-18 23:58:47 <genjix> i had all their admin passwords, eventhough they kept changing them.
2218 2011-03-18 23:59:17 <genjix> didn't stop at school, but can't go into more details.
2219 2011-03-18 23:59:30 <Validus> its all good
2220 2011-03-18 23:59:37 <Validus> thats why im in school now to just get a job doing linux
2221 2011-03-18 23:59:42 <Validus> simple net admin shit