1 2011-03-19 00:00:22 <Validus> that or get paid to keep trying to break into the company
2 2011-03-19 00:00:42 <Validus> just gotta make sure you do it wher eyou work and have a contract signed that makes it legal or you can be in some serious shit
3 2011-03-19 00:00:51 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: wait so how does rebase work? When I run it it doesnt make one clean commit?
4 2011-03-19 00:00:53 <genjix> i only got caught because kids went and told tales on me.
5 2011-03-19 00:00:58 <BlueMatt> or am I misunderstanding it
6 2011-03-19 00:01:20 <sipa> BlueMatt: just used it myself for the first time
7 2011-03-19 00:01:37 <BlueMatt> sipa: and how does it work?
8 2011-03-19 00:01:44 <sipa> i think it can do a lot
9 2011-03-19 00:02:09 <sipa> but that rebase -i allows you to review the list of commits, and combine commits together and update their messages
10 2011-03-19 00:02:12 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: no, it does not collapse commits. that, you must do manually. rebase takes a stream of commits, with top-of-tree commit 1234, and applies them one-patch-at-a-time to new top-of-tree commit 9843
11 2011-03-19 00:02:27 <jgarzik> normally 1234 is an old commit, and 9843 is a newer commit
12 2011-03-19 00:02:32 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: ok thats what I thought it was doint
13 2011-03-19 00:02:40 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: was slightly confused by gavin's comments
14 2011-03-19 00:02:48 <sipa> yes, it becomes a separate new commit, which is the combination of other separate ones, right?
15 2011-03-19 00:02:52 <jgarzik> rebase eliminates all those merge changesets and other annoyances, cleaning up the history
16 2011-03-19 00:02:53 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: In any case upnp is starting to get large and needs collapsed
17 2011-03-19 00:03:06 <jgarzik> rebase creates new commits, one for each commit rebased.
18 2011-03-19 00:03:32 <BlueMatt> is there an easy way to collapse commits or did linus not want that and thus its not included?
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20 2011-03-19 00:04:09 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: git checkout -b newtree master ; for cset in 1234 5678 abcd ; do git show $cset | patch -sp1 ; done ; git commit -a
21 2011-03-19 00:04:24 <sipa> it seems to work even, i had a branch, pushed it, created a pull request, changed something locally, committed that, rebased it, removed remote branch, pushed rebased branch again, ... and magically the pull request changed to include the extra change, without extra commit
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24 2011-03-19 00:04:34 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: oh, but that requires a new pull req and that would even further mess with github's stuff
25 2011-03-19 00:04:46 <sipa> BlueMatt: read my last line :)
26 2011-03-19 00:04:48 <jgarzik> sipa: I think the pull request watches a branchpoint
27 2011-03-19 00:05:14 <sipa> nice
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29 2011-03-19 00:05:38 <BlueMatt> sipa: ok Ill just do it that way
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31 2011-03-19 00:05:53 <sipa> i used "fixup" in the rebasing thing
32 2011-03-19 00:06:23 <Necr0s> 0.3.20.2 huh.
33 2011-03-19 00:06:42 <Necr0s> I guess I should update from .19...
34 2011-03-19 00:06:47 <jgarzik> RFC 2898, that's what I was reading: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2898.txt
35 2011-03-19 00:06:48 <jgarzik> PKCS #5: Password-Based Cryptography Specification
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37 2011-03-19 00:07:34 <jgarzik> "A modest number of iterations [of a hash function over a password], say 1000, is not likely to be a burden for legitimate parties when computing a key, but will be a significant burden for opponents."
38 2011-03-19 00:07:51 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: sorry, luke-jr's makefile made libupnpc dynamic, its fixed now, well in the next nightly
39 2011-03-19 00:08:04 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: 1000 isnt enough
40 2011-03-19 00:08:09 <Diablo-D3> and thats not really part of PKCS #5
41 2011-03-19 00:08:15 <genjix> is it ok if i break with the bitcoin coding scheme pszNameOfVar?
42 2011-03-19 00:08:31 <sipa> genjix: why wuld you?
43 2011-03-19 00:08:36 <Diablo-D3> thats part of PBKDF2, which PKCS #5 recommends for the key derivation function
44 2011-03-19 00:08:46 <genjix> it's pointless, ugly and a waste of my time.
45 2011-03-19 00:08:58 <sipa> that may be the case, but it's a convention
46 2011-03-19 00:08:58 <genjix> non-standard
47 2011-03-19 00:09:09 <Diablo-D3> there are impls that run on embedded hardware and do 10k iterations
48 2011-03-19 00:09:12 <jgarzik> genjix: I agree it's pointless, ugly and a waste of time. It's also the standard for the codebase, so grin and bear it :)
49 2011-03-19 00:09:18 <Diablo-D3> also, wheres art
50 2011-03-19 00:09:21 <Diablo-D3> he knows this shit :D
51 2011-03-19 00:09:32 <genjix> hmm
52 2011-03-19 00:10:05 <jgarzik> All those prefixes are highly redundant
53 2011-03-19 00:10:14 <joepie91> holy.
54 2011-03-19 00:10:15 <joepie91> shit.
55 2011-03-19 00:10:27 <jgarzik> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation#Disadvantages
56 2011-03-19 00:10:30 <sipa> joepie91: where?
57 2011-03-19 00:10:34 <joepie91> what the **** just happened
58 2011-03-19 00:10:35 <joepie91> http://www.icerocket.com/search?tab=twitter&p=4&q=you+should+have+expected+us&lng=&tlinks=&max_id=48892452685352961
59 2011-03-19 00:11:12 <sipa> joepie91: what's that?
60 2011-03-19 00:11:18 <joepie91> I have absolutely no idea.
61 2011-03-19 00:11:24 <jgarzik> something OT for this channel :)
62 2011-03-19 00:11:24 <joepie91> but thousand of retweets
63 2011-03-19 00:11:26 <joepie91> in a few minus
64 2011-03-19 00:11:29 <joepie91> minutes*
65 2011-03-19 00:11:32 <joepie91> of the same message
66 2011-03-19 00:11:43 <joepie91> including on a few accounts of very... active members on anonops
67 2011-03-19 00:11:51 <joepie91> I am not sure what happened, but this was automated o_O
68 2011-03-19 00:12:07 <joepie91> the question is... is this a hive that was developed by anons, or was this people hating anon breaking in?
69 2011-03-19 00:12:11 <genjix> maybe this is trolling
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71 2011-03-19 00:12:20 <joepie91> point is... there _is_ a twitter hive
72 2011-03-19 00:12:24 <joepie91> but this is not how it works
73 2011-03-19 00:12:31 <joepie91> and this was not from the twitter hive :/
74 2011-03-19 00:13:09 <joepie91> this was massive
75 2011-03-19 00:13:23 <joepie91> supposedly there were several hundreds of accounts retweeting it and then deleting it after a few seconds
76 2011-03-19 00:13:28 <joepie91> (according to twitterfall)
77 2011-03-19 00:14:57 tower is now known as towerX
78 2011-03-19 00:15:12 * jgarzik generates 64k ECDSA keys. Let's see how long that takes.
79 2011-03-19 00:15:43 <sipa> jgarzik: i'm interested to know that too
80 2011-03-19 00:15:53 <sipa> my guess: a few minutes
81 2011-03-19 00:18:07 <ArtForz> that sounds WAY slow
82 2011-03-19 00:19:06 <jgarzik> 65536 keys generated.
83 2011-03-19 00:19:06 <jgarzik> real 0m39.017s
84 2011-03-19 00:19:06 <jgarzik> user 0m38.610s
85 2011-03-19 00:19:06 <jgarzik> sys 0m0.265s
86 2011-03-19 00:19:43 <sipa> so 1700 keys per second
87 2011-03-19 00:20:40 <jgarzik> single-threaded, 3Ghz Intel CPU
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89 2011-03-19 00:20:58 <gasteve> I have a transaction that's ~2 hours old that hasn't yet made it into a block...what are some reasons that could happen? is it just there are a lot of fee-less transactions out there and it hasn't yet made it in?
90 2011-03-19 00:22:20 <genjix> gasteve: maybe start with -rescan?
91 2011-03-19 00:22:55 <gasteve> no, I'm looking at the transactions and blocked (via blockexplorer, bitcoincharts, and #bitcoin-monitor)
92 2011-03-19 00:23:05 <gasteve> my clients are all caught up
93 2011-03-19 00:23:56 <gasteve> I was transferring between my mining client/wallet (which stays onl ine all the time) and the one of my other wallets where I keep the bulk of my bitcoins
94 2011-03-19 00:24:28 <gasteve> I can see the pending transaction on bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/
95 2011-03-19 00:24:49 <Necr0s> "Latest version: 0.3.20.02"
96 2011-03-19 00:25:03 <Necr0s> The website leads me to download 0.3.20.01 for OS X. Is this right?
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100 2011-03-19 00:48:09 <jgarzik> Compiled module with 4096 pre-generated ECDSA keys (279 bytes each): -rw-rw-r-- 1 jgarzik jgarzik 1164331 Mar 18 20:44 out.o
101 2011-03-19 00:48:20 <jgarzik> Compiled module with 65536 pre-generated ECDSA keys (279 bytes each): -rw-rw-r-- 1 jgarzik jgarzik 18613291 Mar 18 20:46 out.o
102 2011-03-19 00:50:06 <sipa> 32 bytes suffices
103 2011-03-19 00:50:54 <jgarzik> sipa: the other fields do not change, ever?
104 2011-03-19 00:51:16 <sipa> unless the ecdsa curve is changed
105 2011-03-19 00:51:31 <sipa> see https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin/blob/walletdump/key.h
106 2011-03-19 00:51:35 <jgarzik> sipa: does OpenSSL ever change the curve? :)
107 2011-03-19 00:51:51 <sipa> GetPrivKeyInner and SetPrivKeyInner
108 2011-03-19 00:52:09 <sipa> that's not up to openssl but up to bitcoin :)
109 2011-03-19 00:53:01 <sipa> since it has secp256k1 hard-coded
110 2011-03-19 00:53:40 <jgarzik> sipa: Yes, I have already written SetPrivKeyInner() myself
111 2011-03-19 00:53:57 <jgarzik> sipa: but I did not know enough about ECDSA, to know if any other fields vary... ever
112 2011-03-19 00:54:08 <jgarzik> with bitcoin
113 2011-03-19 00:54:35 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: so you recommend I just release nightly tarballs of bitcoin src and win builds but no nightly linux builds? I think im going to move patched to a non-nightly release schedule
114 2011-03-19 00:55:15 <sipa> jgarzik: i'm quite sure that the combination of knowledge (secp256k1 + 256 bit private key) is enough
115 2011-03-19 00:55:19 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: bitcoin src tarball + win binary would be my recommendation, yes.
116 2011-03-19 00:55:24 <jgarzik> sipa: OK
117 2011-03-19 00:55:34 <jgarzik> sipa: that makes life easier :)
118 2011-03-19 00:56:01 * jgarzik throws away his pre-gen program, to write a simpler one
119 2011-03-19 00:56:01 <sipa> jgarzik: at least, i have a working import and export functionality, that simply uses that inner key
120 2011-03-19 00:56:50 <sipa> and the 279-byte code contains 48 varying bytes: 32 for the private key, and 64 for the (redundant) public key as well
121 2011-03-19 00:56:53 <sipa> *96
122 2011-03-19 01:02:39 <sipa> i haven't been following, by the way
123 2011-03-19 01:02:53 <sipa> what do you need 64k random pregenerated keys for?
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125 2011-03-19 01:04:02 <jgarzik> sipa: http://yyz.us/bitcoin/patch.bitcoin-scratch-card
126 2011-03-19 01:04:12 <jgarzik> sipa: (which includes my version of SetInnerPrivKey)
127 2011-03-19 01:21:22 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: it SHOULD be dynamic
128 2011-03-19 01:23:14 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: if you want to embed it staticly in some distro-specific package (still a bad idea), use a local patch
129 2011-03-19 01:23:23 <jgarzik> -rw-rw-r-- 1 jgarzik jgarzik 2098219 Mar 18 21:22 out.o
130 2011-03-19 01:23:32 <jgarzik> that's more like it. 2MB for 64k pre-generated keys.
131 2011-03-19 01:30:32 <kiba> I manages to torture myself continously in order to learn how to deploy a rails app
132 2011-03-19 01:30:36 <kiba> bitcoinweekly.com
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135 2011-03-19 01:44:51 <gasteve> that's a spiffy website ;)
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148 2011-03-19 02:14:48 <hahuang65> lappy!~hahuang65@c-76-126-13-144.hsd1.ca.comcast.net|genjix hey
149 2011-03-19 02:14:52 <genjix> hey
150 2011-03-19 02:14:56 <genjix> one sec
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159 2011-03-19 02:25:10 <vrs> joepie91: op twitterstorm?
160 2011-03-19 02:25:17 <joepie91> ?
161 2011-03-19 02:25:21 <joepie91> what's with it?
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163 2011-03-19 02:25:25 <genjix> anyone else want to join our shared screen session and collaborate on coding?
164 2011-03-19 02:25:29 <vrs> >supposedly there were several hundreds of accounts retweeting it and then deleting it after a few seconds
165 2011-03-19 02:25:32 <genjix> i'm testng out pair programming
166 2011-03-19 02:25:40 <genjix> it's a good way to learn if you're inexperienced
167 2011-03-19 02:25:48 <genjix> esp about bitcoin internals
168 2011-03-19 02:25:57 <joepie91> vrs: point is that according to guysoft it was not the twitterhive
169 2011-03-19 02:26:03 <vrs> ah
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179 2011-03-19 02:34:26 <joepie91> err.
180 2011-03-19 02:34:28 <joepie91> just thinking.
181 2011-03-19 02:34:37 <joepie91> wouldn't it be incredibly easy to "steal" bitcoins using malware
182 2011-03-19 02:34:41 <joepie91> if you are using the bitcoin software
183 2011-03-19 02:34:46 <theymos> Yes.
184 2011-03-19 02:34:57 <joepie91> are there any ways to protect against it?
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186 2011-03-19 02:35:05 <theymos> Don't run malware.
187 2011-03-19 02:35:11 <joepie91> well, I got that
188 2011-03-19 02:35:24 <joepie91> sadly for windows users malware can't always be avoided
189 2011-03-19 02:35:38 <joepie91> wouldn't be the first time there's a drive-by in some ad networks javascript code
190 2011-03-19 02:35:50 <theymos> Create a separate wallet, send most of your BTC there as a "savings account", and encrypt that wallet.
191 2011-03-19 02:35:59 <joepie91> and I can imagine that linux would become a target as well
192 2011-03-19 02:36:02 <joepie91> hm
193 2011-03-19 02:36:19 <joepie91> anything that the average end-user could do to protect his stuff?
194 2011-03-19 02:36:20 <vrs> crypt it
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196 2011-03-19 02:36:50 <vrs> or build encryption into the main client
197 2011-03-19 02:36:59 <joepie91> I think that would be the best idea, tbh
198 2011-03-19 02:37:34 <joepie91> automatically "locking" the wallet after 5 minutes of not using the client or sth, and forget all the keys that are stored in RAM
199 2011-03-19 02:37:39 <joepie91> and require a password to unlock it again
200 2011-03-19 02:37:44 <joepie91> and read it out from the encrypted wallet
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202 2011-03-19 02:37:59 <Blitzboom> thatâd save me a lot of hassle
203 2011-03-19 02:38:07 <theymos> That's not useful, since a keylogger can easily get your password. You want to separate most of your BTC into a "vault" that you don't access very often.
204 2011-03-19 02:38:13 <osearth> well i don't personally leavemy case of money near any Windows.
205 2011-03-19 02:38:22 <joepie91> theymos: yes, but unless something is done for that it is not a viable end user solution
206 2011-03-19 02:38:26 <joepie91> it's too complicated.
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208 2011-03-19 02:38:42 <theymos> It can be integrated into the client. It probably will be at some point.
209 2011-03-19 02:38:43 <osearth> what a bank is too complicated?
210 2011-03-19 02:38:56 <joepie91> no, the concept of an encrypted secondary wallet
211 2011-03-19 02:39:06 <joepie91> a "savings wallet"
212 2011-03-19 02:39:17 <osearth> i call that my bank
213 2011-03-19 02:39:27 <joepie91> k, call it a bank if you want
214 2011-03-19 02:39:35 <joepie91> but that setup is too complicated for the average user
215 2011-03-19 02:39:40 <joepie91> unless there is something that does it for them
216 2011-03-19 02:39:55 <osearth> its being handled ;)
217 2011-03-19 02:40:00 <joepie91> and I'd say things like this are quite... important to be worked on :P
218 2011-03-19 02:40:02 <joepie91> mhh
219 2011-03-19 02:40:12 * joepie91 had another thing but forgot
220 2011-03-19 02:40:18 <joepie91> oh ey
221 2011-03-19 02:40:20 <joepie91> ye*
222 2011-03-19 02:40:23 <joepie91> the api calls
223 2011-03-19 02:40:27 <theymos> Wallet encryption is a goal for 1.0, I believe.
224 2011-03-19 02:40:38 <joepie91> can anything make api calls without any authentication?
225 2011-03-19 02:40:40 <osearth> quit thinking! be a civillian!!
226 2011-03-19 02:41:06 <joepie91> because making API calls without any auth... would be a problem
227 2011-03-19 02:41:30 <joepie91> write a simple script that makes an API call to send all bitcoin to the address of a malware writer... et voila
228 2011-03-19 02:41:39 <theymos> The API isn't even on by default in GUI Bitcoin.
229 2011-03-19 02:41:51 <joepie91> well, that I didn't know :P
230 2011-03-19 02:42:38 <vrs> theymos: how about smart cards?
231 2011-03-19 02:42:51 <vrs> problem is, nobody uses those
232 2011-03-19 02:44:48 <quellhorst> whats the deal with bitcoins going down?
233 2011-03-19 02:45:01 <theymos> The private keys need to get into memory for Bitcoin to send transactions, and this allows malware to get it. The encryption method doesn't matter.
234 2011-03-19 02:45:12 <Blitzboom> low demand, high supply
235 2011-03-19 02:45:28 <osearth> it's a MYSTERYM i guess
236 2011-03-19 02:46:26 kiba` is now known as kiba
237 2011-03-19 02:47:22 <quellhorst> i think the market got fucked up. with the increase in difficulty
238 2011-03-19 02:47:40 <ArtForz> ?
239 2011-03-19 02:47:57 <ArtForz> looks pretty normal to me
240 2011-03-19 02:48:26 <quellhorst> i'm new
241 2011-03-19 02:49:38 <Blitzboom> the bitcoin price is volatile because of the low volume
242 2011-03-19 02:49:45 <osearth> and there was a huge JUMP in found coins suddenly
243 2011-03-19 02:49:53 <vrs> theymos: a bitcoin smartcard then?
244 2011-03-19 02:49:55 <ArtForz> hmmm... not really
245 2011-03-19 02:50:04 <Blitzboom> and the price is going down because there isnât enough interest to keep up with the current inflation
246 2011-03-19 02:50:08 <ArtForz> big sell down the book cleared out all bids from 0.7-0.84
247 2011-03-19 02:50:17 <theymos> It'd be pretty secure if a smart card held the wallet and signed transactions on request from Bitcoin.
248 2011-03-19 02:50:24 <ArtForz> it takes a while for new bids to fill that huge gap
249 2011-03-19 02:50:33 <vrs> yeah
250 2011-03-19 02:50:58 <vrs> "we accept bitcard!"
251 2011-03-19 02:51:13 <ArtForz> theymos: yeah, I was thinking about that
252 2011-03-19 02:51:23 <Blitzboom> ArtForz: there havenât been many bids before, either
253 2011-03-19 02:51:35 <ArtForz> well, there was about 10k between 0.7 and 0.84
254 2011-03-19 02:51:45 <ArtForz> and now theres... about 10k
255 2011-03-19 02:52:08 <Blitzboom> which is nothing in relation to the asks
256 2011-03-19 02:53:01 <ArtForz> doesnt look like theres too many below 0.9 either
257 2011-03-19 02:53:52 <ArtForz> a few blockers around 0.9 and 0.95
258 2011-03-19 02:54:00 <Blitzboom> looks like much to me, although there are no single big ones
259 2011-03-19 02:54:44 <Blitzboom> whether the price will continue to fall will probably depend on psychology/bills
260 2011-03-19 02:54:52 <ArtForz> http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxUSD.html
261 2011-03-19 02:55:09 <ArtForz> looks like 7.5k < 0.9
262 2011-03-19 02:56:09 <ArtForz> but yeah, looks bearish
263 2011-03-19 02:57:54 <ArtForz> my guess is at least a few more days of low volume in the 0.75-0.8 area
264 2011-03-19 03:00:19 <Blitzboom> and then further devaluation. yeah, sounds realistically, unless we get some media attention
265 2011-03-19 03:00:29 <ArtForz> yup
266 2011-03-19 03:00:42 <ArtForz> mid-term, I expect a further drop towards 0.5ish
267 2011-03-19 03:01:22 <Blitzboom> not sure if this is a good thing. people tend to lose faith when a currency devaluates
268 2011-03-19 03:01:59 <Blitzboom> and itâll weaken the network
269 2011-03-19 03:02:13 <overtorque> lol... why would any merchants accept bitcoin.. so volatile
270 2011-03-19 03:02:31 <overtorque> at least with the US dollar it's a slow and predictable death
271 2011-03-19 03:02:31 <ArtForz> yup, but then it will also reduce the value of the network, so overall attacks arent really more or less likely
272 2011-03-19 03:03:01 <ArtForz> overtorque: have you looked at international currency exchange rates over the last days?
273 2011-03-19 03:04:12 <Blitzboom> i havenât, are you referring to the yen?
274 2011-03-19 03:04:12 <overtorque> negative, but i doubt it's as volatile as bitcoin is
275 2011-03-19 03:04:20 <ArtForz> nope
276 2011-03-19 03:04:23 <overtorque> at least not USD/Euro
277 2011-03-19 03:04:32 <overtorque> what currency are you referring to?
278 2011-03-19 03:04:44 <Blitzboom> overtorque: yeah, bitcoinâs missing a few million users
279 2011-03-19 03:04:56 <overtorque> lol i know.
280 2011-03-19 03:05:02 <overtorque> more than that
281 2011-03-19 03:06:25 <ArtForz> eur/chf mostly
282 2011-03-19 03:06:32 <Blitzboom> anyway, i look forward to a possible radical price drop
283 2011-03-19 03:07:09 <Blitzboom> iâll be there to mine some blocks
284 2011-03-19 03:07:44 <overtorque> the difficulty never goes down, right? if the mining slows down, it just stays at the current level longer?
285 2011-03-19 03:07:52 <ArtForz> no, it does go down
286 2011-03-19 03:07:53 <Blitzboom> sure it does
287 2011-03-19 03:07:54 <ArtForz> ;;bc,stats
288 2011-03-19 03:07:56 <Blitzboom> ;;bc,stats
289 2011-03-19 03:07:57 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114085 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 826 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 14 hours, 19 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 66404.36871888
290 2011-03-19 03:07:58 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114085 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 826 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 14 hours, 19 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 66404.36871888
291 2011-03-19 03:08:02 <Blitzboom> heh, beat me to it
292 2011-03-19 03:08:43 <joepie91> that is quite a drop.
293 2011-03-19 03:08:45 <joepie91> what caused it?
294 2011-03-19 03:08:54 <ArtForz> looking at sipas graph, that probably will increase a bit
295 2011-03-19 03:08:56 <Blitzboom> mistery miner
296 2011-03-19 03:09:01 <ArtForz> yup
297 2011-03-19 03:09:14 <joepie91> elaborate? :P
298 2011-03-19 03:09:33 <ArtForz> http://bitcoin.atspace.com/mysteryminer.html
299 2011-03-19 03:09:38 <Blitzboom> some mysterious guy who caused a spike in hashrate
300 2011-03-19 03:09:54 <Blitzboom> and then dropped off
301 2011-03-19 03:09:56 <ArtForz> red is MM, green is rest of network
302 2011-03-19 03:10:20 <joepie91> lol, wtf
303 2011-03-19 03:10:25 <joepie91> where did that come from
304 2011-03-19 03:10:38 <ArtForz> no one knows, thats why it's the mystery miner
305 2011-03-19 03:10:42 <Blitzboom> ⦠remains a mystery
306 2011-03-19 03:11:11 <joepie91> I mean more like
307 2011-03-19 03:11:13 <ArtForz> had to be a single entity or group, as all generated coins ended up in the same address
308 2011-03-19 03:11:14 <joepie91> _how_
309 2011-03-19 03:11:16 <joepie91> did he do that
310 2011-03-19 03:11:25 <joepie91> just rented some amazon cloud space or what?
311 2011-03-19 03:11:33 <ArtForz> very unlikely
312 2011-03-19 03:11:45 <ArtForz> best guess is a massive botnet
313 2011-03-19 03:11:47 <dirtyfilthy> that'd be pretty expensive
314 2011-03-19 03:11:50 <joepie91> hrm
315 2011-03-19 03:11:52 <joepie91> then still
316 2011-03-19 03:11:54 <joepie91> why knock it off?
317 2011-03-19 03:12:10 <noagendamarket> maybe he got found
318 2011-03-19 03:12:12 <Blitzboom> maybe he just jumped in to get some thousand coins and then forget bitcoins
319 2011-03-19 03:12:16 <joepie91> true
320 2011-03-19 03:12:20 <ArtForz> iirc a few people traced back his blocks to the originating IP
321 2011-03-19 03:12:36 <ArtForz> also, he mined nearly exactly 50k and... stopped
322 2011-03-19 03:12:39 <Blitzboom> wasnât he located in europe?
323 2011-03-19 03:12:47 <ArtForz> I think so
324 2011-03-19 03:13:07 <ArtForz> http://blockexplorer.com/a/eE8FVTkbx
325 2011-03-19 03:13:22 <noagendamarket> or someone was doing penetration testing
326 2011-03-19 03:13:27 <ArtForz> whats really weird, why the big spike for 4 days?
327 2011-03-19 03:13:45 <ArtForz> and that was mostly over a weekend
328 2011-03-19 03:14:11 <ArtForz> thats why some people guessed idle time on a big cluster or 2
329 2011-03-19 03:14:16 <noagendamarket> yeah
330 2011-03-19 03:14:26 <theymos> Sneak said he was going to rent a botnet. Maybe it's him.
331 2011-03-19 03:14:41 <ArtForz> and the weekend before... another spike
332 2011-03-19 03:15:14 <theymos> (11:57:25 PM) sneak@x/Berlin: i'm planning on hiring a russian botnet
333 2011-03-19 03:15:14 <theymos> (11:57:34 PM) sneak@x/Berlin: that will give me >150% of artforz' cpu
334 2011-03-19 03:15:22 <joepie91> mh
335 2011-03-19 03:15:24 <joepie91> botnet makes sense
336 2011-03-19 03:15:35 <ArtForz> but... what kind of botnet is mostly on on weekends?
337 2011-03-19 03:15:44 <joepie91> a botnet that you rent for a weekend ;)
338 2011-03-19 03:15:48 <Validus> sounds like a college that had weekend access
339 2011-03-19 03:15:51 <Validus> and no one was around
340 2011-03-19 03:16:03 <Validus> or a pc shop maybe he knows someone, like a cafe
341 2011-03-19 03:16:24 <bk128> wouldn't cafe's be open on weekends?
342 2011-03-19 03:16:26 <Validus> or could have went. hey i told these fools im getting a botnet lets fuck with em
343 2011-03-19 03:16:28 <Validus> and trolled you
344 2011-03-19 03:16:33 <Validus> as he had a friend at a pc lab
345 2011-03-19 03:16:36 <ArtForz> 350Gh/s is quite a lot
346 2011-03-19 03:16:40 <joepie91> actually... I think a botnet would be an incredibly cheap way to earn money out of bitcoins
347 2011-03-19 03:16:55 <Blitzboom> same thought
348 2011-03-19 03:16:57 <joepie91> renting bots costs very little
349 2011-03-19 03:17:07 <Blitzboom> why the hell donât we have some botnets?
350 2011-03-19 03:17:11 <ArtForz> we do
351 2011-03-19 03:17:21 <Blitzboom> smaller ones, apparentl
352 2011-03-19 03:17:27 <ArtForz> but you can't really do a lot unless you want some seriously pissed botnet operators
353 2011-03-19 03:17:28 <joepie91> actually, a mining pool somewhat resembles a botnet :)
354 2011-03-19 03:17:54 <joepie91> and meh
355 2011-03-19 03:17:57 <joepie91> if you _own_ the botnet
356 2011-03-19 03:18:00 <joepie91> there is no problem
357 2011-03-19 03:18:05 <ArtForz> hiding 100% cpu use on laptops is kinda... hard
358 2011-03-19 03:18:13 <joepie91> then don't make it use 100% cpu
359 2011-03-19 03:18:18 <joepie91> give it a lower priority
360 2011-03-19 03:18:22 <joepie91> maybe even customize a miner
361 2011-03-19 03:18:24 <ArtForz> so now you need like 10x more zombies
362 2011-03-19 03:18:31 <joepie91> to calculate the approximate amount of hashes and only do a part of that
363 2011-03-19 03:18:36 <joepie91> as to not eat all cpu
364 2011-03-19 03:18:44 <joepie91> same for gpu
365 2011-03-19 03:18:46 <afed> 23:15 <@l0de> the l0de radio hour is now online! listen in at www.klulz.com or dial in live at 718-618-4470! Post that number everywhere, I'm so lonely! :'('''''
366 2011-03-19 03:19:22 <joepie91> could easily let your custom miner benchmark a zombie for 5 seconds (the user will just experience the usual windows lag)
367 2011-03-19 03:19:25 <joepie91> then let it proceed at 50%
368 2011-03-19 03:19:27 <joepie91> or sth like that
369 2011-03-19 03:19:42 <ArtForz> yep
370 2011-03-19 03:19:48 <dirtyfilthy> just use 100% when the computer is idle
371 2011-03-19 03:19:54 <dirtyfilthy> when it's not, don't mine
372 2011-03-19 03:20:05 <ArtForz> bitcoin mining isnt the first app that makes money off zombie CPUs
373 2011-03-19 03:20:28 <joepie91> dirtyfilthy: you can still let it mine when in use
374 2011-03-19 03:20:33 <joepie91> just with low priority
375 2011-03-19 03:20:39 <joepie91> and not running at full speed
376 2011-03-19 03:21:05 <ArtForz> which means you only get like half a Mh/s per zombie
377 2011-03-19 03:21:08 <dirtyfilthy> eh why even bother, you've prolly got a good 16 hours a day with most home pcs on and idle
378 2011-03-19 03:21:20 <theymos> Will botnets end up having more power than miners with custom hardware, you think?
379 2011-03-19 03:21:33 <ArtForz> most home pcs nowadays are laptops. running 100% cpu on a laptop is VERY obvious
380 2011-03-19 03:21:43 <ArtForz> so you have to stay below 25% or so
381 2011-03-19 03:22:03 <ArtForz> herders doing distributed PW cracking figured that out pretty quickly
382 2011-03-19 03:22:20 <joepie91> theymos: I think they will
383 2011-03-19 03:22:28 <joepie91> if you build your own net you will have virtually no cost
384 2011-03-19 03:22:31 <joepie91> other than a C&C server
385 2011-03-19 03:22:56 <joepie91> free bitcoins with little cost provides more incentive than mining bitcoins with expensive hardware that you need to break even on
386 2011-03-19 03:23:18 <theymos> Custom hardware might have significantly more power, though.
387 2011-03-19 03:23:48 <joepie91> not if you have a lot of zombies.
388 2011-03-19 03:24:01 <ArtForz> you are talking a SHITLOAD of zombies
389 2011-03-19 03:24:06 <joepie91> I'm not really involved in the cracking world anymore... yet I know at least 4 people who have a 60k+ botnet
390 2011-03-19 03:24:19 <joepie91> and that's just the skids.
391 2011-03-19 03:26:01 <ArtForz> which is ... not much
392 2011-03-19 03:26:19 <Blitzboom> >100 ghash/s
393 2011-03-19 03:26:30 <ArtForz> very unlikely
394 2011-03-19 03:26:40 <ArtForz> but feel free to try
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397 2011-03-19 03:29:43 <joepie91> 60k is a little bit
398 2011-03-19 03:29:46 <joepie91> extremely small botnet
399 2011-03-19 03:29:55 <joepie91> so imagine what a large botnet could mine
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401 2011-03-19 03:32:37 <ArtForz> less
402 2011-03-19 03:33:28 <ArtForz> a bit counterintuitive, but it's generally easier to stay under the radar with a bunch of smaller botnets
403 2011-03-19 03:35:50 <osearth> or way under it with good old fashioned honest hard work (by a computer:)
404 2011-03-19 03:37:19 <jgarzik> ArtForz: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4555.msg67719#msg67719
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406 2011-03-19 03:37:27 <jgarzik> ArtForz: Useful change... or completely stupid? ;)
407 2011-03-19 03:39:47 <ArtForz> looks ... useful
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411 2011-03-19 03:52:34 <bk128> anyone good with java? I'm trying to use a hashset to detect an infinite loop in a recursive method. The program is supposed to read an input text file and import other text files that follow #include "filename" statements. http://pastie.org/1688508
412 2011-03-19 03:55:34 <kiba> it seem to me that some Chinese students are finding way to make a few bitcoin
413 2011-03-19 03:55:50 <kiba> jgarzik: so how's pastecoin?
414 2011-03-19 03:56:44 mizerydearia has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
415 2011-03-19 03:57:41 <jgarzik> kiba: just got https://xf2.org/ infrastructure up and running. that is where pastecoin will be listed, as one of xf2.org's services.
416 2011-03-19 03:57:54 <noagendamarket> kiba that would make a good article :)
417 2011-03-19 03:58:10 <kiba> what's xf2.org
418 2011-03-19 03:58:16 <kiba> noagendamarket: first, I have to develop the website
419 2011-03-19 03:58:42 <kiba> look like my time is up
420 2011-03-19 03:58:58 <noagendamarket> your time ?
421 2011-03-19 03:59:10 <kiba> before I need to go to sleep
422 2011-03-19 03:59:16 <kiba> I have a very long day
423 2011-03-19 03:59:30 <kiba> with work concerning bitcoinweekly.com
424 2011-03-19 03:59:46 <noagendamarket> heh I thought you meant your time earning btc was up lol
425 2011-03-19 03:59:58 <noagendamarket> I nearly fell off my chair
426 2011-03-19 04:00:47 * kiba will be pre-occupied with writing code for bitcoinweekly.com for much of next week
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430 2011-03-19 04:29:07 <genjix> jgarzik: cool!
431 2011-03-19 04:29:40 <Spenvo> kiba, what's in store for bitcoin weekly?
432 2011-03-19 04:32:20 <kiba> Spenvo: a whole new site
433 2011-03-19 04:32:39 <kiba> minus the cruft that make it such a headache to create new content
434 2011-03-19 04:32:41 <Spenvo> what cms are you using?
435 2011-03-19 04:32:48 <kiba> I don't use any cms
436 2011-03-19 04:33:00 <Spenvo> so, you like to code :)
437 2011-03-19 04:33:15 * kiba is coding the minimum to get it done
438 2011-03-19 04:33:27 <kiba> Spenvo: and it's a lot easier for me to theme
439 2011-03-19 04:33:30 <AAA_awright> kiba: Want to use my CMS?
440 2011-03-19 04:33:34 <kiba> no
441 2011-03-19 04:33:37 <Spenvo> lol
442 2011-03-19 04:33:39 <AAA_awright> :(
443 2011-03-19 04:33:41 <kiba> your is probably all complicated
444 2011-03-19 04:33:54 <Spenvo> what's your cms aaaaaa?
445 2011-03-19 04:34:01 <AAA_awright> kiba: It's designed to generate graphs and tables of data and other cool stuff it would probably be perfect
446 2011-03-19 04:34:11 <kiba> mine is a magazine
447 2011-03-19 04:34:12 <Spenvo> yeah!
448 2011-03-19 04:34:13 <AAA_awright> Spenvo: Still in development, but http://magnode.org
449 2011-03-19 04:34:16 <kiba> not a satistical site
450 2011-03-19 04:34:20 <Spenvo> cool. i'll check it out
451 2011-03-19 04:34:27 <AAA_awright> kiba: Ah, any links?
452 2011-03-19 04:34:40 * Spenvo checking it out
453 2011-03-19 04:35:10 <kiba> bitcoinweekly.com
454 2011-03-19 04:35:15 <kiba> hello world :)
455 2011-03-19 04:35:25 <kiba> I finally figured out the whole deploy routine
456 2011-03-19 04:35:35 <kiba> and worked on the site until now
457 2011-03-19 04:35:39 <kiba> but nothing ready yet
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459 2011-03-19 04:36:54 <AAA_awright> kiba: I'm sure you want to generate graphs and stuff, that's what I'm trying to do, that's all. Keep me up to date please, maybe I can help out somehow
460 2011-03-19 04:36:59 <AAA_awright> *somehow*
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462 2011-03-19 04:37:29 <Spenvo> it's cool aaa, i'll think of a subdomain on my site that could be hosted with it :)
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464 2011-03-19 04:37:55 <Spenvo> kiba, what kind of content is going to roll out on the weekly?
465 2011-03-19 04:39:16 <AAA_awright> Spenvo: You know about Node.js?
466 2011-03-19 04:39:32 <AAA_awright> It's not very functional right now unless you know what you're doing
467 2011-03-19 04:40:42 <kiba> Spenvo: whatever people write to me and I think is a good fit for my magazine
468 2011-03-19 04:41:05 <kiba> otherwise, I will be republishing old articles that I written for The Bitcoin Times
469 2011-03-19 04:41:37 <Spenvo> aaa, i know of it. it's outside what i'm comfortable with. however, i'm not the only person that's helping on my site, so it may find its place
470 2011-03-19 04:42:12 <noagendamarket> Spenvo I used the same wordpress theme on http://bitcoin.com.au
471 2011-03-19 04:42:25 <noagendamarket> its a good one
472 2011-03-19 04:43:53 <Spenvo> indeed it is :) eventually i'll theme to something around this. much time needed :( http://www.bitcoinbulletin.com/bitcoinbulletinmockup017.png
473 2011-03-19 04:44:16 <Spenvo> but php is straightforward. i just have too much on my plate right now
474 2011-03-19 04:44:54 <Spenvo> so don't get your hopes up
475 2011-03-19 04:46:53 <AAA_awright> Spenvo: Maybe you want to be the first person to subscribe to http://groups.google.com/group/magnode for release announcements. Development happens in #bzfx
476 2011-03-19 04:47:53 <genjix> lol atlas is such a loser
477 2011-03-19 04:48:06 <Spenvo> thanks aaa, subscribed to digest
478 2011-03-19 04:48:34 <afed> 23:15 <@l0de> the l0de radio hour is now online! listen in at www.klulz.com or dial in live at 718-618-4470! Post that number everywhere, I'm so lonely! :'('''''
479 2011-03-19 04:48:44 gasteve has joined
480 2011-03-19 04:48:59 <genjix> afed: wut
481 2011-03-19 04:49:06 <Spenvo> spam
482 2011-03-19 04:49:15 <afed> not spam
483 2011-03-19 04:49:22 <afed> someone should call in and talk about bitcoins
484 2011-03-19 04:49:23 <genjix> hes not spam, he's a fed
485 2011-03-19 04:49:28 <joepie91> damn
486 2011-03-19 04:49:30 <joepie91> genjix beat me to it
487 2011-03-19 04:50:00 <genjix> anyone got skype credit?
488 2011-03-19 04:50:01 <Spenvo> mm
489 2011-03-19 04:50:04 <genjix> and want to prank call?
490 2011-03-19 04:50:06 <genjix> :D
491 2011-03-19 04:50:13 <da2ce7> I can
492 2011-03-19 04:50:15 <genjix> say that our pussy is on fire
493 2011-03-19 04:50:27 <da2ce7> lol, sorry, I cannot
494 2011-03-19 04:50:28 <afed> haha
495 2011-03-19 04:50:28 <afed> do it
496 2011-03-19 04:50:34 <genjix> say you was cooking eggs naked and tripped
497 2011-03-19 04:50:36 overtorque has joined
498 2011-03-19 04:50:40 <genjix> and hot oil
499 2011-03-19 04:50:43 <da2ce7> do not have skype installed... will take ages to download.
500 2011-03-19 04:51:42 <genjix> http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1300507342179.jpg
501 2011-03-19 04:54:35 <da2ce7> lawl
502 2011-03-19 04:54:47 <afed> for reference http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0
503 2011-03-19 04:55:16 <da2ce7> afed, don't spread that link... it is just not pleasant.
504 2011-03-19 04:55:29 <afed> destroy everyone
505 2011-03-19 04:55:37 <afed> that link causes brain damage
506 2011-03-19 04:56:21 <afed> friedaye
507 2011-03-19 04:57:41 <genjix> do you know the back story?
508 2011-03-19 04:57:54 <overtorque> wtf is that for afed
509 2011-03-19 04:58:01 <genjix> it's a us company that makes music videos for rich kids who dream of being pop singers
510 2011-03-19 04:58:16 <genjix> so mummy/daddy pay $200k or whatever
511 2011-03-19 04:58:27 <da2ce7> eeeew
512 2011-03-19 04:58:48 * da2ce7 can think of many better ways to invest $200K.
513 2011-03-19 04:58:50 <genjix> bitch has piss for brains
514 2011-03-19 04:59:10 <Blitzboom> iâd invest it all in bitcoins, da2ce7
515 2011-03-19 04:59:13 <genjix> she had an interview. her biggest hero: justin beiber
516 2011-03-19 04:59:22 <Blitzboom> and drive the price up to a few dollars/BTC
517 2011-03-19 04:59:26 <afed> $2000
518 2011-03-19 04:59:29 <afed> not $200k
519 2011-03-19 04:59:37 <genjix> only 2k?
520 2011-03-19 04:59:43 <afed> they've certainly earned it back by now too
521 2011-03-19 04:59:47 <da2ce7> wow, it is cheap and certanly bad.
522 2011-03-19 04:59:52 <overtorque> wow.. its so stupid
523 2011-03-19 04:59:58 <overtorque> not even because it's teen pop crap
524 2011-03-19 05:00:02 <overtorque> but its just bad
525 2011-03-19 05:00:18 <afed> After reading the harsh reviews of her song, Black said that "those hurtful comments really shocked me"
526 2011-03-19 05:00:22 <afed> welcome to the internet hon
527 2011-03-19 05:00:24 <genjix> you can see the shit she thinks about
528 2011-03-19 05:00:33 <afed> genjix: nothing
529 2011-03-19 05:00:37 <afed> not a thought in her head
530 2011-03-19 05:01:03 <overtorque> but that's a brilliant business.. making music vids for rich kids?
531 2011-03-19 05:01:06 <overtorque> brilliant
532 2011-03-19 05:01:07 <da2ce7> afed, no 'I want to be like justin beiber"
533 2011-03-19 05:04:06 Cusipzzz has quit (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/)
534 2011-03-19 05:04:34 <da2ce7> http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Ark_Music_Factory
535 2011-03-19 05:04:36 <da2ce7> fyi
536 2011-03-19 05:05:00 <genjix> jajaja
537 2011-03-19 05:05:46 <genjix> "songs of talentless upper-class white chicks for astronomical prices."
538 2011-03-19 05:05:51 <genjix> 2k is not astronomical
539 2011-03-19 05:06:10 <joepie91> since when was ED reliable?
540 2011-03-19 05:06:12 <joepie91> lol
541 2011-03-19 05:06:15 <joepie91> considered reliable*
542 2011-03-19 05:06:29 <Blitzboom> http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Bitcoin
543 2011-03-19 05:06:31 <genjix> i think you all fail to understand how expensive a production like that is
544 2011-03-19 05:06:54 <Blitzboom> i like that flag
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546 2011-03-19 05:08:50 <genjix> Blitzboom: check out the authors of that article :D
547 2011-03-19 05:09:01 <Blitzboom> heh, i saw it now
548 2011-03-19 05:09:06 <genjix> tyty
549 2011-03-19 05:09:06 <Blitzboom> good job
550 2011-03-19 05:11:49 <noagendamarket> The Girls (whose pictures look suspiciously like porn thumbnails) lawl
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552 2011-03-19 05:15:47 <da2ce7> *bitcoin is real, it is on ed*
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564 2011-03-19 06:15:57 <jgarzik> Patch and git updated with new 'scratchoff' RPC, which redeems a scratchoff transaction
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566 2011-03-19 06:22:52 <genjix> cool stuff
567 2011-03-19 06:23:13 <genjix> how does it work?
568 2011-03-19 06:23:27 <genjix> (how i can use it)
569 2011-03-19 06:24:04 <genjix> heh saw the patch
570 2011-03-19 06:26:39 <genjix> jgarzik: this is great for if you want to exchange bitcoins in real life
571 2011-03-19 06:26:48 <genjix> no need for laptop
572 2011-03-19 06:40:54 <JFK911> hahaha encyclopediadramatica
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574 2011-03-19 06:41:42 <JFK911> did someone really manage to buy a pizza with bitcoins
575 2011-03-19 06:42:15 <genjix> yeah i think for a few hundo
576 2011-03-19 06:43:18 <osearth> but wraps up article by begging for coins
577 2011-03-19 06:44:19 <genjix> what does?
578 2011-03-19 06:48:14 <osearth> dramatica
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582 2011-03-19 07:09:27 <genjix> sup Vladimir
583 2011-03-19 07:09:32 <genjix> are you from the uk?
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593 2011-03-19 07:32:33 <necrodearia> Woo, The Bitcoin Faucet and Ripplepay now participative charities @ witcoin
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615 2011-03-19 09:24:07 <miner_> .73btc to the first address posted!
616 2011-03-19 09:25:45 <miner_> botsnack
617 2011-03-19 09:25:52 <miner_> ;;botsnack
618 2011-03-19 09:25:53 <gribble> Forget the snack, just send me some bitcoins at 1MgD6rah5zUgEGYZnNmdpnXMaDR3itKYzU :)
619 2011-03-19 09:26:46 <[Tycho]> Hello.
620 2011-03-19 09:27:00 <miner_> hows it going?
621 2011-03-19 09:27:17 <[Tycho]> It's mining.
622 2011-03-19 09:27:57 <miner_> well thats good in my book
623 2011-03-19 09:28:49 <miner_> now when things are quiet here it means something is wrong.....noise = good
624 2011-03-19 09:29:00 <miner_> and mining = noise
625 2011-03-19 09:29:08 <miner_> so, mining = good
626 2011-03-19 09:30:12 <[Tycho]> What's your hashing speed ?
627 2011-03-19 09:31:14 <miner_> 4ghash right now
628 2011-03-19 09:31:43 <miner_> prolly gonna hit 5gash and stop
629 2011-03-19 09:34:07 <[Tycho]> Solo or pooled mining ?
630 2011-03-19 09:38:55 <miner_> pooled
631 2011-03-19 09:39:05 <miner_> deepbit.net
632 2011-03-19 09:39:37 <miner_> I like stimulation, solo doesnt give me enough to look at
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634 2011-03-19 09:41:55 <[Tycho]> That's a nice pool :)
635 2011-03-19 09:46:39 <miner_> yours?
636 2011-03-19 09:48:44 Zarutian has joined
637 2011-03-19 09:51:10 <[Tycho]> Yes.
638 2011-03-19 09:51:32 <miner_> cool :)
639 2011-03-19 09:57:57 <miner_> looks like we've hit a plateau at 50gash
640 2011-03-19 10:04:56 towerX is now known as tower
641 2011-03-19 10:06:09 <miner_> howdy
642 2011-03-19 10:07:50 <[Tycho]> Yes, soon i'll try to rise this plate by changing something :)
643 2011-03-19 10:09:10 <Diablo-D3> http://i.imgur.com/J8M4u.jpg
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647 2011-03-19 10:13:48 <Lartza> joepie91: You were wrong!
648 2011-03-19 10:14:04 <Lartza> It only takes 12 years for me to generate a block :)
649 2011-03-19 10:16:26 <[Tycho]> How would you know that ?
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651 2011-03-19 10:21:58 <Lartza> Calculating from mhash
652 2011-03-19 10:22:08 <Lartza> on average with current difficulty, it tells me that
653 2011-03-19 10:24:22 <[Tycho]> Yes, but current difficulty won't last forever.
654 2011-03-19 10:25:08 <Lartza> Yea I know
655 2011-03-19 10:25:50 <Lartza> Does bitcoin when generating coins/cpuminers use HDD?
656 2011-03-19 10:25:56 <[Tycho]> No.
657 2011-03-19 10:26:05 <Lartza> No reads or writes to hard drive?
658 2011-03-19 10:26:38 <Lartza> Does it work completely in RAM?
659 2011-03-19 10:28:08 <lfm> bitcoin main client uses disk to record the block chain and wallet but mining doesnt really use disk, like if you're using a pool
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664 2011-03-19 11:05:14 <BlueMatt> dam just missed it last night: genjix if you ever do a screen-share programming on bitcoin again, invite me
665 2011-03-19 11:05:52 <genjix> BlueMatt: cool :)
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667 2011-03-19 11:13:38 <genjix> BlueMatt: i was trying out http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3830.0
668 2011-03-19 11:13:53 <genjix> BlueMatt: do you have skype + headset? we can try speech :D
669 2011-03-19 11:14:02 <genjix> (not now, but later)
670 2011-03-19 11:23:18 <BlueMatt> genjix: yea that would work too
671 2011-03-19 11:23:42 <genjix> kk ill message you later.
672 2011-03-19 11:23:54 <genjix> or maybe tomorrow (depends :p)
673 2011-03-19 11:24:02 <BlueMatt> sure whatever
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676 2011-03-19 11:40:06 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
677 2011-03-19 11:40:09 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114121 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 790 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 8 hours, 30 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 65948.58748560
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680 2011-03-19 12:10:27 <necrodearia> Is there anyone here that is fluent or can read a foreign language (than English) pretty well? If so, which language and may I pm you?
681 2011-03-19 12:11:02 <[Tycho]> Russian
682 2011-03-19 12:11:10 <necrodearia> nice!
683 2011-03-19 12:11:23 <necrodearia> [Tycho], May I pm you?
684 2011-03-19 12:11:27 <[Tycho]> Yes.
685 2011-03-19 12:11:49 <genjix> esperanto and yes
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689 2011-03-19 12:32:57 <Myckel> Dutch
690 2011-03-19 12:42:57 <necrodearia> Myckel, may I pm you?
691 2011-03-19 12:43:16 * sipa speaks dutch as well
692 2011-03-19 12:43:22 <BlueMatt> I can read german pretty well write it ok, but you might want to ask ArtForz or Blitzboom
693 2011-03-19 12:43:23 <necrodearia> sipa, may I pm you?
694 2011-03-19 12:43:26 <sipa> necrodearia: sure
695 2011-03-19 12:43:31 <necrodearia> BlueMatt, o/ ^_^
696 2011-03-19 12:45:45 <Myckel> necrodearia, sure. But I'm off soon.
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704 2011-03-19 13:07:30 <axilla> it was cool blue :)
705 2011-03-19 13:07:35 <axilla> would have been better with speech
706 2011-03-19 13:11:29 <axilla> BlueMatt, even
707 2011-03-19 13:11:34 <necrodearia> See http://meta.witcoin.com/p/514/Help-Translation
708 2011-03-19 13:11:42 <joepie91> Diablo-D3
709 2011-03-19 13:11:43 <joepie91> genius
710 2011-03-19 13:11:45 <joepie91> lol
711 2011-03-19 13:11:52 <axilla> god that game is going to take my life away
712 2011-03-19 13:11:56 <axilla> when it launches
713 2011-03-19 13:12:21 <axilla> d3 that is :P
714 2011-03-19 13:17:29 <subpar> D3?
715 2011-03-19 13:17:46 * subpar <== Not much of a gamer
716 2011-03-19 13:17:59 <necrodearia> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4658.new#new
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718 2011-03-19 13:28:36 <Diablo-D3> for the record, my nick predates blizzard entertainment
719 2011-03-19 13:30:38 <kiba> mission accomplished
720 2011-03-19 13:30:44 <kiba> class withdrawal complete
721 2011-03-19 13:30:59 <kiba> now, I have all the time I need to make a break for economic self-sustaination
722 2011-03-19 13:37:27 <necrodearia> Diablo-D3, wooo, congrats on the record. I wonder if anyone will surpass it.
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724 2011-03-19 13:38:08 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: sue Blizzard for trademark infringement? :P
725 2011-03-19 13:38:24 <sipa> i'm afraid that requires a trademark...
726 2011-03-19 13:38:42 <luke-jr> sipa: trademarks are implicit, like copyright
727 2011-03-19 13:38:55 <sipa> oh right, trademark vs registered trademark
728 2011-03-19 13:40:20 <Diablo-D3> not sure how they got trademark, my name is prior art :<
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731 2011-03-19 13:44:54 <BlueMatt> the us copyright office barely checks anything any more its mostly up to them to prove their copyright/trademark is valid in court
732 2011-03-19 13:45:26 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: yeah, but that just means no more trademarks should be allowed to be filed
733 2011-03-19 13:45:38 <Diablo-D3> also, Im not sure how they actually got the trademark
734 2011-03-19 13:45:41 <BlueMatt> I agree, but big media disagrees ;)
735 2011-03-19 13:45:48 <Diablo-D3> Diablo is the Spanish word for devil
736 2011-03-19 13:45:53 <Diablo-D3> what are they going to do, sue all spanish speakers?
737 2011-03-19 13:46:25 <BlueMatt> trademarks only apply in a situation where you can claim it might be confusing to consumers
738 2011-03-19 13:46:32 <BlueMatt> ie if someone else came out with a diablo game
739 2011-03-19 13:47:40 <BlueMatt> thus your nick isnt really prior art
740 2011-03-19 13:50:57 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: no no, I said YOU should sue them
741 2011-03-19 13:54:27 <Diablo-D3> meh
742 2011-03-19 13:54:31 <Diablo-D3> I dont want their dirty money
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746 2011-03-19 14:07:16 <necrodearia> oooh, has this idea been discussed before? it seems quite interesting: http://programming.witcoin.com/p/515/If-Sun-can-do-it-wit-Java-why-cant-we-do-it-wit-Bitcoin
747 2011-03-19 14:08:04 <necrodearia> google shows no results, so it seems to be new post
748 2011-03-19 14:09:44 <Diablo-D3> Im not clicking that
749 2011-03-19 14:09:47 <Diablo-D3> whats the jist of it
750 2011-03-19 14:09:57 <BlueMatt> so what...store programs in the block chain?
751 2011-03-19 14:10:07 <necrodearia> Diablo-D3, aww, not clicking?
752 2011-03-19 14:10:35 <necrodearia> Shall I copy and post it to a pastebin?
753 2011-03-19 14:10:41 <Diablo-D3> no
754 2011-03-19 14:10:45 <Diablo-D3> but its tl;dr
755 2011-03-19 14:11:06 <Diablo-D3> also, I clicked
756 2011-03-19 14:11:10 <Diablo-D3> and whoever posted this needs to be shot
757 2011-03-19 14:11:26 <necrodearia> that would be "abstraction"
758 2011-03-19 14:11:30 <Diablo-D3> you are not fucking implementing brainfuck or whitespace in goddamned bitcoin
759 2011-03-19 14:11:45 <Diablo-D3> goddamned fucking noobs.
760 2011-03-19 14:12:30 * subpar chuckles
761 2011-03-19 14:13:49 <[Tycho]> There is already something like whitespace in bitcoin :)
762 2011-03-19 14:13:59 <luke-jr> necrodearia: that makes no sense
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764 2011-03-19 14:15:06 <osearth> whatever it is i demand it be done!
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768 2011-03-19 14:17:22 <sipa> i don't see the point, why would you store program data in the block chain?
769 2011-03-19 14:18:32 <[Tycho]> Still no news about 0.01 flooder ?
770 2011-03-19 14:18:54 <BlueMatt> that kinda stuff happens all the time
771 2011-03-19 14:19:34 <[Tycho]> It become way too stable to be just some incident. Someone does this intentionally.
772 2011-03-19 14:19:37 <osearth> me either but i vote implement it as of last release
773 2011-03-19 14:20:07 <osearth> 0.01 flooder?
774 2011-03-19 14:20:13 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: for some reason various people just decide to flood all the time, no use trying to track them down
775 2011-03-19 14:20:24 <BlueMatt> they aren't really hurting anyone that much
776 2011-03-19 14:32:03 <joepie91> flooder?
777 2011-03-19 14:38:29 <tcatm> joepie91: someone is sending lots of 0.01 BTC transactions to the same address
778 2011-03-19 14:38:43 <joepie91> attempting to flood and slow down the network?
779 2011-03-19 14:39:00 <tcatm> the network doesn't care that much
780 2011-03-19 14:39:52 <tcatm> no idea what the intention could be. if he ever wants to combine those coins again he probably has to pay a fee
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782 2011-03-19 14:40:10 <joepie91> heh
783 2011-03-19 14:40:12 <joepie91> also
784 2011-03-19 14:40:13 <joepie91> http://blockexplorer.com/tx/a288fec5559c3f73fd3d93db8e8460562ebfe2fcf04a5114e8d0f2920a6270dc
785 2011-03-19 14:40:14 <joepie91> what is that?
786 2011-03-19 14:40:21 <joepie91> is that that scratchcard concept or sth?
787 2011-03-19 14:41:35 <tcatm> IIRC that was a DOS attempt. OP_CHECKSIG takes some processing time
788 2011-03-19 14:41:58 <joepie91> ah.
789 2011-03-19 14:42:13 <joepie91> people are stresstesting the network eh :P
790 2011-03-19 14:43:26 <tcatm> see https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Incidents
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792 2011-03-19 14:49:16 <tcatm> hey dwdollar. is fxchange/bids and fxchange/asks supposed to return the same information?
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794 2011-03-19 14:51:39 <dwdollar> tcatm: yeah, that's messed up, let me look at it
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800 2011-03-19 15:09:56 <dwdollar> tcatm: Okay, it should be working now. Bids will be Bids and Asks will be Asks :)
801 2011-03-19 15:10:16 <dwdollar> tcatm: plus it shouldn't have been showing Canceled and Filled
802 2011-03-19 15:10:25 <dwdollar> ones
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804 2011-03-19 15:11:47 <tcatm> great. I'll add it to bitcoincharts now
805 2011-03-19 15:23:45 <[Tycho]> "<tcatm> the network doesn't care that much" - unmodified bitcoind eats more CPU when there are many txes in queue.
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807 2011-03-19 15:25:55 <kuz> hi
808 2011-03-19 15:25:59 <kuz> anybody here?
809 2011-03-19 15:28:06 <tcatm> hey kuz
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813 2011-03-19 15:29:03 <kuz> hi
814 2011-03-19 15:29:27 <kuz> do you know any automated bitcoin generation software to setup automatically on all computers in domain ?
815 2011-03-19 15:29:38 <tcatm> [Tycho]: I don't think those "spam" tx are many enough. Bitcoin should be able to handle them without problems.
816 2011-03-19 15:30:36 <tcatm> kuz: nothing I know of. I think there's a cluster administration tool for linux somewhere on the forums.
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818 2011-03-19 15:31:02 <joepie91> looking for a "let all computers in my lab generate bitcoins for me" package? :P
819 2011-03-19 15:31:09 <kuz> yep :P
820 2011-03-19 15:31:12 <kuz> = )
821 2011-03-19 15:31:17 <tcatm> do they have GPUs?
822 2011-03-19 15:31:27 <kuz> well some of them have
823 2011-03-19 15:31:33 <sipa> good ones?
824 2011-03-19 15:31:34 <kuz> some doesn't
825 2011-03-19 15:31:34 <tcatm> how many computers?
826 2011-03-19 15:31:40 <kuz> 400 = )
827 2011-03-19 15:31:57 <sipa> recent cpus?
828 2011-03-19 15:32:12 <kuz> all diffrent, but for sure there are a lot of recent cpus
829 2011-03-19 15:32:24 <joepie91> kuz: you could set up your own pool
830 2011-03-19 15:32:25 <tcatm> so roughly the power of 1..5 HD5970
831 2011-03-19 15:32:29 <joepie91> and then just deploy a miner with a script
832 2011-03-19 15:32:32 <joepie91> across the computers
833 2011-03-19 15:32:47 <joepie91> would probably be the easiest way
834 2011-03-19 15:32:50 <sipa> no need for a pool, just one bitcoind running somewhere, and all miners connect to it
835 2011-03-19 15:33:02 <sipa> ;;bc,calc 1000000
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837 2011-03-19 15:33:04 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 3 days, 18 hours, 54 minutes, and 10 seconds
838 2011-03-19 15:33:06 <xelister> interesting
839 2011-03-19 15:33:11 <xelister> it seems Java is operated by usafags
840 2011-03-19 15:33:13 <sipa> every few days you may find a blok :)
841 2011-03-19 15:33:15 <kuz> i thought miner needs diffrent login+password for each PC ?
842 2011-03-19 15:33:19 <xelister> well, ##java
843 2011-03-19 15:33:22 <joepie91> kuz: not always
844 2011-03-19 15:33:26 <joepie91> for example on BitPenny
845 2011-03-19 15:33:29 <joepie91> you can have multiple miners
846 2011-03-19 15:33:30 <sipa> kuz: no, only some pools require that
847 2011-03-19 15:33:33 <joepie91> with the same bitcoin address
848 2011-03-19 15:33:38 <joepie91> there, your address is your username
849 2011-03-19 15:33:58 <joepie91> and any password goes there
850 2011-03-19 15:34:00 <sipa> yes, but for example at slush's pool you need a separate rpc user/pass for each miner
851 2011-03-19 15:34:09 <joepie91> true... but if you set up your own
852 2011-03-19 15:34:09 <sipa> that's not necessary if you connect to bitcoind yourself
853 2011-03-19 15:34:14 <joepie91> you could just use the bitpenny idea :)
854 2011-03-19 15:34:37 <tcatm> you could have a script that calls cpuminer --user login.`hostname`:pass ...
855 2011-03-19 15:35:19 <joepie91> possible as well
856 2011-03-19 15:35:32 <kuz> okay guys. i understand that i must use a miner with bitpenny
857 2011-03-19 15:35:39 <joepie91> the lazy way would be to actually connect all of them to bitpenny itself... and just use the same address for all
858 2011-03-19 15:35:45 <[Tycho]> kuz, you can use same login/password for all miners with my pool.
859 2011-03-19 15:35:46 <joepie91> without setting up your own network
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861 2011-03-19 15:36:09 <kuz> Okay. I understand.
862 2011-03-19 15:36:21 <[Tycho]> It may be 7% more effective than bitpenny :)
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864 2011-03-19 15:37:06 <subpar> [Tycho]: getting close to 60 GH/s
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866 2011-03-19 15:37:25 <subpar> =)
867 2011-03-19 15:37:40 <[Tycho]> Nice :)
868 2011-03-19 15:40:52 <slush> spamming network is effective way how to earn more fees while mining
869 2011-03-19 15:40:57 <slush> no, I'm not spamming network :)
870 2011-03-19 15:41:06 <joepie91> ;;bc,total
871 2011-03-19 15:41:06 <gribble> Error: "bc,total" is not a valid command.
872 2011-03-19 15:41:11 <joepie91> ...not?
873 2011-03-19 15:41:14 <joepie91> ;;bc,stats
874 2011-03-19 15:41:17 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114142 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 769 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 3 hours, 36 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 66107.95714813
875 2011-03-19 15:42:10 <[Tycho]> slush, how it's related to fees ? Forces legitimate txses to pay ? :)
876 2011-03-19 15:42:19 <slush> yep
877 2011-03-19 15:46:00 kuz has quit ()
878 2011-03-19 15:46:36 <[Tycho]> kuz turned out to be wannabe-botnet-creator :)
879 2011-03-19 15:47:50 * subpar wonders if MM will come back now that difficulty appears to drop next round
880 2011-03-19 15:48:07 <subpar> but with that much hash power it doesn't really matter...
881 2011-03-19 15:50:52 BitterTea has joined
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884 2011-03-19 15:54:39 <xelister> anyone know examples of Usa moralfaggotry in area of victimizing teenagers by using the laws made "for the children" to actually destroy them, e.g. when it is nowdays illegal for teenagers to send EACHTOERS, OWN erotic photos?
885 2011-03-19 15:56:48 <xelister> 5 btc for URL to creditable source and full (e.g. more then just 5 sentences) online article about USA charging at least 17 yo just for sharing own erotic photos even with similar aged spouse
886 2011-03-19 16:00:08 <joepie91> k sec
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888 2011-03-19 16:00:44 <joepie91> xelister: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28679588/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets/
889 2011-03-19 16:00:55 <xelister> joepie91: btw if you find interesting meterials btw of this search share that too (though bounty is just for 5)
890 2011-03-19 16:00:55 <joepie91> there is 16-17yo in there
891 2011-03-19 16:01:12 <joepie91> The female students at Greensburg Salem High School in Greensburg, Pa., all 14- or 15-years-old, face charges of manufacturing, disseminating or possessing child pornography while the boys, who are 16 and 17, face charges of possession, according to WPXI-TV in Pittsburgh, which published the story on its Web site on Tuesday.
892 2011-03-19 16:01:52 <xelister> mmhmmm
893 2011-03-19 16:02:01 <joepie91> was that what you needed?
894 2011-03-19 16:02:04 <joepie91> or something else? :P
895 2011-03-19 16:02:11 <xelister> anything where 17 yo is the person sharing HER (or his?) and then charged? that would be better
896 2011-03-19 16:02:19 <joepie91> I believe one of those has been in the news as well
897 2011-03-19 16:02:19 <xelister> I found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexting#cite_ref-17 but the link is dead
898 2011-03-19 16:02:21 <joepie91> let me look that up
899 2011-03-19 16:02:32 <xelister> the source link is dead
900 2011-03-19 16:03:27 <Blitzboom> http://www.gadgetell.com/tech/comment/sexting-can-label-your-teen-a-sex-offender/
901 2011-03-19 16:03:41 <Blitzboom> >In Wisconsin, a 17-year-old was charged with child pornography after posting naked pictures of his girlfriend, who is a year younger, on the internet.
902 2011-03-19 16:03:46 <Blitzboom> ah ok, that would be 16
903 2011-03-19 16:05:08 <Blitzboom> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/27/earlyshow/main4896577.shtml
904 2011-03-19 16:05:12 <Blitzboom> >In Syracuse, N.Y., police have charged a 17-year-old boy with messaging a sexually explicit video to a 13-year-old girl's cell phone after striking up a relationship on MySpace.com.
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906 2011-03-19 16:05:30 <xelister> hmmm
907 2011-03-19 16:05:44 <joepie91> derp, all my stuff is lagging here
908 2011-03-19 16:05:56 <Blitzboom> http://www.mortaljourney.com/2010/10/home-page/sexting
909 2011-03-19 16:05:57 <xelister> I pay you each 2.5 BTC and you can paste a bit more links you find in this direction, fine by you? Blitzboom, joepie91?
910 2011-03-19 16:05:58 <Blitzboom> here you go
911 2011-03-19 16:06:01 <Blitzboom> At Margareetta High School in Castalia, Ohio, a 17-year-old girl sent nude pictures of herself to a boyfriend. T
912 2011-03-19 16:06:18 <Blitzboom> yeah, iâm ok with that
913 2011-03-19 16:07:07 <joepie91> fine with me :P
914 2011-03-19 16:07:20 <joepie91> just about this specific case, or about underage sexting + law consequences in general?
915 2011-03-19 16:08:08 <Blitzboom> >Police investigated an incident at Margaretta High School in Castalia, Ohio, in which a 17-year-old girl allegedly sent nude pictures of herself to her former boyfriend, and the pictures started circulating around the high school after the two got into a fight
916 2011-03-19 16:08:20 <Blitzboom> itâs on wiki, too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexting#Legal_cases
917 2011-03-19 16:08:40 <joepie91> http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article5516511.ece
918 2011-03-19 16:09:40 <xelister> Blitzboom: joepie91: bit bitcoin addresses?
919 2011-03-19 16:09:44 <joepie91> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/15/national/main4723161.shtml
920 2011-03-19 16:09:45 <xelister> *your
921 2011-03-19 16:09:47 <Blitzboom> 1JKT1rHvtPnTVV1trjGUyRLx1nvFdtzc4N
922 2011-03-19 16:09:54 <joepie91> 1Jd3fmwwAJqVJCDNkXCdbthFHMSErh6dSy
923 2011-03-19 16:09:59 <joepie91> :)
924 2011-03-19 16:10:15 <Blitzboom> bitcoinâs really good for information seeking
925 2011-03-19 16:10:18 <joepie91> also, it's ridiculous how basically the only people freaking out over this sexting and calling it shocking are the "adults"
926 2011-03-19 16:10:28 <joepie91> the only reason being it's "not normal"
927 2011-03-19 16:10:36 * joepie91 facepalms at humanity
928 2011-03-19 16:10:42 <BlueMatt> its the typical us aversion to sex in any way
929 2011-03-19 16:10:42 <Blitzboom> yeah ⦠us-americans seem like big hypocrites
930 2011-03-19 16:10:53 <Zarutian> purtitian even
931 2011-03-19 16:10:56 <joepie91> and srsly
932 2011-03-19 16:10:57 <BlueMatt> europe has an aversion to violence the us to sex
933 2011-03-19 16:10:58 <joepie91> being completely honest
934 2011-03-19 16:11:03 <joepie91> try to figure out
935 2011-03-19 16:11:05 <joepie91> how many teenagers
936 2011-03-19 16:11:06 <joepie91> download cp
937 2011-03-19 16:11:12 <xelister> BlueMatt: nah
938 2011-03-19 16:11:13 <BlueMatt> well europe not quite as much any more but...
939 2011-03-19 16:11:15 <joepie91> "cp" being porn from kids around their own age
940 2011-03-19 16:11:42 <Blitzboom> laws are ridiculous
941 2011-03-19 16:11:47 <joepie91> from the info I've gathered (yes, I like researching shit that noone else bothers to research) at least 50% of the average high school class downloads cp
942 2011-03-19 16:11:50 <joepie91> or well
943 2011-03-19 16:11:51 <xelister> BlueMatt: both USA and EU have high rates of morallfaggots that can be defined as "omg 17 yo kissing is PEDO omg sound the pedoallert!!!1111¹¹¹¹. But killing children.. on war.. well, shit happens in wars, lol"
944 2011-03-19 16:11:52 <BlueMatt> though europe does have equally weird social aversions
945 2011-03-19 16:11:56 <joepie91> *technically* it's cp
946 2011-03-19 16:12:08 <Zarutian> Bliztboom: depends, like everything else, on the process that made them
947 2011-03-19 16:12:12 <xelister> joepie91: in CP
948 2011-03-19 16:12:23 <xelister> in EU sex with 15 yo is ok in many places
949 2011-03-19 16:12:28 <joepie91> 16* mostly
950 2011-03-19 16:12:31 <joepie91> in some countries 15
951 2011-03-19 16:12:32 <xelister> sex with 13 yo is ok in Vatican.
952 2011-03-19 16:12:45 <joepie91> but
953 2011-03-19 16:12:50 <Blitzboom> sex wtih 14-year olds is only ok here if you are <18
954 2011-03-19 16:12:51 <joepie91> despite 15yo/16yo being age of consent
955 2011-03-19 16:12:53 <BlueMatt> xelister: yea most of euorope doesnt care about 17 yos the us (well the south) is like omg 17 yo wtf
956 2011-03-19 16:12:56 <joepie91> anything <18 is still cp
957 2011-03-19 16:12:57 <Zarutian> Bliztboom: I was rather pissted when I found out that USA congressmen dont read the laws they vote on!
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959 2011-03-19 16:13:07 <joepie91> I mean, come on...
960 2011-03-19 16:13:21 <Blitzboom> Zarutian: haha, as if they would think for themselves
961 2011-03-19 16:13:23 <Zarutian> Bliztboom: such unprofessionalism would be spurned everywhere elese
962 2011-03-19 16:13:23 <joepie91> I've had videos from half the guys in my class
963 2011-03-19 16:13:26 <joepie91> all willingly shared
964 2011-03-19 16:13:29 <Blitzboom> theyâre just puppets
965 2011-03-19 16:13:31 <joepie91> I don't see the issue?
966 2011-03-19 16:13:52 * joepie91 ends his rage at misplaced moralfaggotry
967 2011-03-19 16:13:53 <Blitzboom> youâre spelling my nick wrong btw :P
968 2011-03-19 16:13:57 <Blitzboom> if you want to highlight
969 2011-03-19 16:15:10 <Zarutian> typos, they crop up sometimes.
970 2011-03-19 16:17:48 <overtorque> click it, sign up -> http://fxnet.co.cc/?ref=518 ... don't listen to Blitzboom
971 2011-03-19 16:18:14 <Blitzboom> xelister: donât forget to send the reward :P
972 2011-03-19 16:18:19 <Blitzboom> haha overtorque
973 2011-03-19 16:19:01 <joepie91> lol
974 2011-03-19 16:19:05 <joepie91> the bitcoin pyramid game
975 2011-03-19 16:19:25 <joepie91> speaking of which
976 2011-03-19 16:19:26 <joepie91> http://fxnet.co.cc/?ref=514
977 2011-03-19 16:19:26 <joepie91> :P
978 2011-03-19 16:19:40 <xelister> Blitzboom: joepie91 sent +)
979 2011-03-19 16:19:44 <Blitzboom> xelister: thanks, iâll rate you
980 2011-03-19 16:20:03 <xelister> I belive entire world USA mostly for the hypocrisy
981 2011-03-19 16:20:10 <xelister> Blitzboom: =)
982 2011-03-19 16:20:17 <xelister> *hates
983 2011-03-19 16:20:37 <joepie91> oh, thanks :)
984 2011-03-19 16:20:50 <joepie91> and meh
985 2011-03-19 16:20:57 <joepie91> I dislike USA for the entire way of life
986 2011-03-19 16:21:02 <joepie91> the entire... ge
987 2011-03-19 16:21:03 <BlueMatt> xelister: yea rural us (espcially people who watch fox news) is ridiculously hypocritical/generally stupid
988 2011-03-19 16:21:05 <joepie91> general*
989 2011-03-19 16:21:05 <joepie91> eh
990 2011-03-19 16:21:12 <joepie91> direction
991 2011-03-19 16:21:12 <overtorque> i think that if you're NOT from america, and haven't spent a significant amount of time in america, (and different parts of america) you probably don't know what you're talking about
992 2011-03-19 16:21:18 <joepie91> can't find a better word
993 2011-03-19 16:21:27 <BlueMatt> though I do like the us (I am american and lived there most of my life)
994 2011-03-19 16:22:08 <xelister> BlueMatt: dont worry, happens in EU too a lot
995 2011-03-19 16:22:09 <BitterTea> like it in what sense?
996 2011-03-19 16:22:10 <joepie91> overtorque: I'm not going to start a discussion about that :P
997 2011-03-19 16:22:18 <xelister> BlueMatt: I wonder how it is in other cultures like Asia, Russia
998 2011-03-19 16:22:20 * xelister poeks [Tycho]
999 2011-03-19 16:22:21 <BlueMatt> the world is just full of fucking idiots
1000 2011-03-19 16:22:24 <joepie91> past few times someone claimed it and I went against it, it ended up in comparing e-peens
1001 2011-03-19 16:22:28 <[Tycho]> ?
1002 2011-03-19 16:22:38 <BlueMatt> xelister: never spent any real time outside of us/western europe so I dont know
1003 2011-03-19 16:23:02 <xelister> [Tycho]: are morallfaggots common in Russia. Morallfagots like "omg sex is bad, omg 17 yo kissing eachothers are PEDO omg omg. But killing is o.k., invading people etc"
1004 2011-03-19 16:23:19 <[Tycho]> Only in government.
1005 2011-03-19 16:23:31 <BlueMatt> and people who watch fox news ;)
1006 2011-03-19 16:23:56 <xelister> overtorque: you say out facts just gathered are not correct? That USA government creates laws that are totally hypocrit and morallfaggot?
1007 2011-03-19 16:24:08 <xelister> overtorque: if yes then first read all links found above :)
1008 2011-03-19 16:24:08 <overtorque> sure they do
1009 2011-03-19 16:24:26 <overtorque> the government has a lot of stupid lawas
1010 2011-03-19 16:24:35 <xelister> overtorque: you are american?
1011 2011-03-19 16:24:42 <joepie91> [Tycho]: you are russian?
1012 2011-03-19 16:24:42 <overtorque> yep
1013 2011-03-19 16:24:45 <BlueMatt> governments everywhere tend to have a bunch of absolutley stupid laws
1014 2011-03-19 16:24:47 <xelister> overtorque: doing anything to fix this stupid laws? or just sitting on cautch
1015 2011-03-19 16:25:05 <BlueMatt> xelister: doing anything to fix some of the retarded eu laws?
1016 2011-03-19 16:25:13 <overtorque> bluematt is exactly right. thats the point im trying to make.. government in general has a lot of stupid laws
1017 2011-03-19 16:25:14 <xelister> BlueMatt: perhaps
1018 2011-03-19 16:25:16 <overtorque> not just the USA
1019 2011-03-19 16:25:32 <overtorque> yea, i dont vote for fascists
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1021 2011-03-19 16:25:35 <BlueMatt> overtorque: though you do have to admit the us govt can tend to be worse than most others
1022 2011-03-19 16:25:36 <overtorque> thats what im doing
1023 2011-03-19 16:25:48 <overtorque> BlueMatt: no i dont believe that at all
1024 2011-03-19 16:25:59 <BlueMatt> overtorque: if you are about to say obama is facist/rasict other crap Im /ignoring you now
1025 2011-03-19 16:26:14 <overtorque> i can grab my gun and put it in a holster and walk around.. like a free human should be able to
1026 2011-03-19 16:26:18 <overtorque> try that in the UK
1027 2011-03-19 16:26:21 <overtorque> .. or california
1028 2011-03-19 16:26:24 <joepie91> lol UK
1029 2011-03-19 16:26:42 <overtorque> obama isn't the worst president ever.. ut not great either.. (imho)
1030 2011-03-19 16:26:42 <joepie91> UK and Netherlands are probably the worst police states in europe
1031 2011-03-19 16:26:46 <joepie91> not really a good comparison to make
1032 2011-03-19 16:27:17 <sipa> netherlands, really?
1033 2011-03-19 16:27:24 <overtorque> and just for the record.. not all americans like/agree with the government
1034 2011-03-19 16:27:26 <BlueMatt> overtorque: ok I just wanted to make sure you dont watch fox news so much that you subscribe to the idea that obama is facist/nazi/etc
1035 2011-03-19 16:27:29 <joepie91> sipa: you didn't follow all the laws that have been passed lately?
1036 2011-03-19 16:27:35 <joepie91> in the past few years?
1037 2011-03-19 16:27:52 <overtorque> BlueMatt: i don't believe he's part of some dark diabolical scheme to kill white people, no
1038 2011-03-19 16:28:07 <joepie91> there's a useful topic on Fok! that lists all privacy-intruding and related laws and decisions that have been made over the past few years
1039 2011-03-19 16:28:11 <joepie91> you should read it
1040 2011-03-19 16:28:16 <sipa> joepie91: in the netherlands? not really (i'm belgian, btw)
1041 2011-03-19 16:28:17 <joepie91> you'll go completely wtf
1042 2011-03-19 16:28:22 <joepie91> oh, ok
1043 2011-03-19 16:28:24 <joepie91> that explains it
1044 2011-03-19 16:28:25 <xelister> overtorque: I know. I may be saying americanfags ;) but dont take that literally, I realize its the gov that is at fault. But, in democracy, people ARE at least a bit responsible for own gov though!
1045 2011-03-19 16:28:29 <joepie91> I thought you were dutch :P
1046 2011-03-19 16:28:40 <joepie91> (heh, you have no government :D_
1047 2011-03-19 16:28:43 <joepie91> )*
1048 2011-03-19 16:28:51 <sipa> how do you mean? we have 5!
1049 2011-03-19 16:28:54 <sipa> (instead of 6)
1050 2011-03-19 16:28:57 <overtorque> yea, democracy has it's issues though.. it's not perfect
1051 2011-03-19 16:28:57 <joepie91> lmfao
1052 2011-03-19 16:29:00 <BlueMatt> and none of them are working atm...
1053 2011-03-19 16:29:15 <joepie91> xelister: be careful what you call democracy
1054 2011-03-19 16:29:23 <joepie91> voting for parties is not real democracy
1055 2011-03-19 16:29:28 <joepie91> it's parlementary democracy
1056 2011-03-19 16:29:33 <xelister> joepie91: well USA is a democracy (just not a very good one though), no?
1057 2011-03-19 16:29:33 <overtorque> there's no guarantee that the people of a democracy actually want what the democracy does
1058 2011-03-19 16:29:38 <joepie91> and in the case of the netherlands it's backed by a consitutional monarchy
1059 2011-03-19 16:29:39 <joepie91> and no
1060 2011-03-19 16:29:41 <overtorque> exactly.. what joepie91 said
1061 2011-03-19 16:29:47 <joepie91> a democracy is a society where everyone decides on everything
1062 2011-03-19 16:29:50 <joepie91> no representative parties
1063 2011-03-19 16:29:57 <joepie91> if something is decided, the public gets to decide
1064 2011-03-19 16:30:05 <joepie91> instead of a representative party
1065 2011-03-19 16:30:22 <overtorque> i'm a liberty minded person as well.. and hate a lot of what the US government does
1066 2011-03-19 16:30:32 <BlueMatt> the problem with the us' govt is mostly the control of big businesses over it and the control the media (esp media that is more disconnected from reality than the onion) has over it
1067 2011-03-19 16:30:37 <overtorque> but.. we have a lot of freedom here compared to other places
1068 2011-03-19 16:30:58 <xelister> brb
1069 2011-03-19 16:31:05 <overtorque> when you still have places like china and north korea, how can you really trash the US and it's lack of freedom
1070 2011-03-19 16:31:33 <joepie91> and just realize that at this point in time, I don't think any place in the world has _real_ democracy
1071 2011-03-19 16:31:37 <BlueMatt> overtorque: well nkorea I cant disagree, but china is a interesting study on democracy
1072 2011-03-19 16:31:58 <overtorque> the censor the damn internet
1073 2011-03-19 16:31:59 <BlueMatt> they are able to make some very interesting decisions that have a very positive effect on people that no democracy can
1074 2011-03-19 16:32:05 <overtorque> how free is that?
1075 2011-03-19 16:32:07 <BlueMatt> though I agree I would never want to live there
1076 2011-03-19 16:32:09 <xelister> overtorque: yeah china is even worse then USA.
1077 2011-03-19 16:32:21 <xelister> overtorque: thats why I support TOR and Freenet (and i2p)
1078 2011-03-19 16:32:22 <BlueMatt> because they are too censored, etc but they have the ability to do very interesting thing
1079 2011-03-19 16:32:36 <xelister> overtorque: but USA *is* the leading country to bring censorship to our civilized world too!
1080 2011-03-19 16:32:42 <xelister> ACTA
1081 2011-03-19 16:32:42 <BlueMatt> which can tend to fuck over everyone out side of china and make their ecomony great
1082 2011-03-19 16:32:44 <xelister> and other shit
1083 2011-03-19 16:32:44 <overtorque> xelister: huh?
1084 2011-03-19 16:32:52 <xelister> overtorque: USA loves censorship
1085 2011-03-19 16:33:03 <BlueMatt> xelister: you mistake bigmedia/us govt for us people
1086 2011-03-19 16:33:05 <xelister> hosted torrent? BAM, domain blocked
1087 2011-03-19 16:33:10 <xelister> linked to torrent? BAM!
1088 2011-03-19 16:33:18 <xelister> blog about how gov sucks? bam.
1089 2011-03-19 16:33:21 <BlueMatt> xelister: us is highly anti-censorship but the govt submits too much to big media/business
1090 2011-03-19 16:33:26 <overtorque> that's not government censorship xelister .. that's corporate censorship
1091 2011-03-19 16:33:29 <xelister> BlueMatt: I ment USA as a country
1092 2011-03-19 16:33:46 <BlueMatt> xelister: the way I see it there is no usa as a country, just the people and a shitty govt
1093 2011-03-19 16:33:47 <xelister> overtorque: who is passing ACTA and other shitcrap
1094 2011-03-19 16:34:03 <xelister> who is allowing wiretaping of almost anyone nowdays based on any bullshit supsictiions
1095 2011-03-19 16:34:03 <BlueMatt> xelister: though europe helped a ton with acta too that wasnt just the us
1096 2011-03-19 16:34:05 <joepie91> it does not really matter whether the government censors people, or allows others to censor people
1097 2011-03-19 16:34:08 <joepie91> the end result is the same
1098 2011-03-19 16:34:11 <BlueMatt> xelister: acta is a bad example
1099 2011-03-19 16:34:12 <joepie91> the responsible person is the same
1100 2011-03-19 16:34:19 <joepie91> entity*
1101 2011-03-19 16:34:22 <overtorque> xelister: Australia, Canada, the European Union, Japan, Mexico, Morocco, New Zealand, the Republic of Korea, Singapore, Switzerland and the United States
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1103 2011-03-19 16:34:37 <overtorque> joepie91: yes, it matters a lot
1104 2011-03-19 16:34:40 <Blitzboom> nations are ridiculous constructs that donât fit in the 21st century
1105 2011-03-19 16:34:47 <Blitzboom> i hope bitcoin will help to overcome them
1106 2011-03-19 16:34:59 <overtorque> if i'm selling you internet, and i want to censor it, that's my right two (in a free world)
1107 2011-03-19 16:35:01 <xelister> Blitzboom: cool :)
1108 2011-03-19 16:35:08 <overtorque> *right too
1109 2011-03-19 16:35:20 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: not really bitcoin would be a terrible base currency for the entire world
1110 2011-03-19 16:35:26 <BlueMatt> you think the boom-bust cycle is bad now...
1111 2011-03-19 16:35:27 <overtorque> a government ban on companies censoring their products is as unfair as government censoring products
1112 2011-03-19 16:35:40 <xelister> insightful discussion today :) I will bbl unfortunatelly
1113 2011-03-19 16:35:42 * xelister o/
1114 2011-03-19 16:35:43 <Blitzboom> BlueMatt: why would it be terrible?
1115 2011-03-19 16:35:47 <Blitzboom> see yo
1116 2011-03-19 16:35:51 <BlueMatt> xelister: bye
1117 2011-03-19 16:36:06 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: the ability of a market to regulate it self is VERY low
1118 2011-03-19 16:36:17 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: not that govt can do THAT much more but they can help dramatically
1119 2011-03-19 16:36:22 <BlueMatt> esp a central bank
1120 2011-03-19 16:36:44 <Blitzboom> you mean that bitcoin will have a hard time to compete
1121 2011-03-19 16:36:46 <Blitzboom> yeah, sure
1122 2011-03-19 16:36:49 <BlueMatt> no
1123 2011-03-19 16:36:58 <BlueMatt> I mean if bitcoin won, the economy would be shit
1124 2011-03-19 16:37:15 <BlueMatt> you think japan doesnt like its constant deflation - think about bitcoin
1125 2011-03-19 16:37:21 <Blitzboom> why? of course a free market regulates itself efficiently
1126 2011-03-19 16:37:31 <BlueMatt> no
1127 2011-03-19 16:37:34 <BlueMatt> not at all
1128 2011-03-19 16:37:39 <BlueMatt> see the 2008 crisis
1129 2011-03-19 16:37:43 <overtorque> xelister is just jealous that he's not American ;)
1130 2011-03-19 16:37:47 <BlueMatt> thats is what happens when a market "regulates itself"
1131 2011-03-19 16:38:02 <Blitzboom> right
1132 2011-03-19 16:38:11 <Blitzboom> but the governments bailed up the banks
1133 2011-03-19 16:38:19 <BlueMatt> half the reason there were so many problems in 2008 is because the market refused to let the govt regulate it
1134 2011-03-19 16:38:19 <Blitzboom> bailed out*
1135 2011-03-19 16:38:28 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: you cant bail anyone out if you are using bitcoin
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1137 2011-03-19 16:38:44 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: they print money to bail people out...where does that come from
1138 2011-03-19 16:38:45 <Blitzboom> bailing out is what caused problems
1139 2011-03-19 16:38:49 <Blitzboom> well, it depends on your views
1140 2011-03-19 16:38:52 <BlueMatt> also fractional banking drives our economy
1141 2011-03-19 16:38:59 <Blitzboom> either you want total control or total freedom of the market
1142 2011-03-19 16:39:00 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: WHAT????
1143 2011-03-19 16:39:14 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: neither of your last 2 statements are anywhere near true
1144 2011-03-19 16:39:30 <BlueMatt> the most efficient way govts have to control the market right now is interest rates
1145 2011-03-19 16:39:30 <Blitzboom> you advocate fractional reserve banking?
1146 2011-03-19 16:39:34 <xelister> overtorque: if you would offer me way to be american (or live in USA etc) I would decline
1147 2011-03-19 16:39:42 <overtorque> anyone want to give me back some USD for my bitcoins? i'm feeling especially patriotic today. ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL
1148 2011-03-19 16:39:45 molecular has joined
1149 2011-03-19 16:39:48 <overtorque> xelister: ... oops.. thought you were AFK
1150 2011-03-19 16:39:59 <BlueMatt> overtorque: this channel is logged
1151 2011-03-19 16:40:00 <Blitzboom> overtorque: exchange rate?
1152 2011-03-19 16:40:17 <overtorque> xelister: that's ok.. you haven't come to terms with it yet
1153 2011-03-19 16:40:35 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: there is no other way to provide the system we use now...we drive the economy by being able to sell money in the form of loans you cant loan in bitcoin
1154 2011-03-19 16:40:35 <overtorque> xelister: if you were here, you'd probably be wearing a george washington t-shirt and playing the national anthem on your ipod
1155 2011-03-19 16:40:38 <xelister> and if I would be rich American, I would definatelly emigrate to some free country
1156 2011-03-19 16:40:39 <BlueMatt> or at least no efficiently
1157 2011-03-19 16:40:43 <overtorque> BlueMatt: so?
1158 2011-03-19 16:40:55 <BlueMatt> overtorque: we coulnt have a strong economy that is bitocin based
1159 2011-03-19 16:40:56 <overtorque> Blitzboom: i'm just playin, blitz :)
1160 2011-03-19 16:40:56 <Blitzboom> right
1161 2011-03-19 16:40:59 <BlueMatt> its to limited
1162 2011-03-19 16:41:12 <xelister> overtorque: all stupid laws are taking away people freedom, why anyone could be happy with that
1163 2011-03-19 16:41:18 <overtorque> xelister: we're not
1164 2011-03-19 16:41:25 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: re: bailouts cause problems: WTF??? where did you hear that?
1165 2011-03-19 16:41:30 <Blitzboom> you can easily build fractional reserve over that
1166 2011-03-19 16:41:40 <xelister> so if you are not happy with that, why not emigrate to a country where people are more free.
1167 2011-03-19 16:41:41 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: only sort of
1168 2011-03-19 16:41:48 <overtorque> there are MANY organizations in america that fight those laws. MANY. a very significant portion of americans do not agree with stupid laws
1169 2011-03-19 16:41:52 <Blitzboom> why the hell would it be good to rescue big banks, BlueMatt?
1170 2011-03-19 16:41:58 <Blitzboom> just because they are "too big to fail"?
1171 2011-03-19 16:42:03 <xelister> overtorque: they are not winning
1172 2011-03-19 16:42:05 <Blitzboom> they have to correct themselves
1173 2011-03-19 16:42:12 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: Im not saying it was good, but id most certainly didnt cause the problems
1174 2011-03-19 16:42:22 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: it was mostly neccessary whether you like it or not
1175 2011-03-19 16:42:27 <overtorque> xelister: but, you've never been to america, so you don't realize the extent of that. you just see youtube comments from usafags and biased news articles
1176 2011-03-19 16:42:35 <Blitzboom> necessary for the current system to function
1177 2011-03-19 16:42:42 <overtorque> i'd take the usa over australia or the uk ANY day.. when it comes to freedom
1178 2011-03-19 16:42:45 <BlueMatt> if that hadnt happened there would be 90% developed-country unemployment atm
1179 2011-03-19 16:42:48 <Blitzboom> which is corporation of government with big banks and corporations
1180 2011-03-19 16:43:06 <xelister> overtorque: still big negro can grop you, your 3 yo kid (where is the pedopolice now when you need it?) and your wife, on butt and boobs, and still all you can do is wear stupid "TSA sucks" t-shirts or tweet about it... but nothing changes. Didnt someone, l.iek your new president, promised change? ;)
1181 2011-03-19 16:43:10 <xelister> *grope
1182 2011-03-19 16:43:15 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: the main problem is the fact that there is no control of interest rates if you have a central, limited m2 supply currency
1183 2011-03-19 16:43:26 <overtorque> xelister: i didnt vote for him
1184 2011-03-19 16:43:40 * joepie91 is going to work on bitcoin gateway
1185 2011-03-19 16:43:40 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: the way the economy is grown/slowed in its growth (to prevent a 2008-style bubble) is through interest rates
1186 2011-03-19 16:43:42 <Blitzboom> the bail-out just delays the crash
1187 2011-03-19 16:43:43 <overtorque> xelister: you need to understand that not 100% of america thinks and feels the same way
1188 2011-03-19 16:43:46 <BlueMatt> well the most efficient way*
1189 2011-03-19 16:43:49 <Blitzboom> and itâll be even worse
1190 2011-03-19 16:43:53 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: not at all true
1191 2011-03-19 16:43:55 <[Tycho]> "ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE" - not enough significant digits ?
1192 2011-03-19 16:43:57 <xelister> overtorque: but am I correct here? all this organizations and all citizens outrage, and still stupid negros touch-"rape" ;) you and your family on airports
1193 2011-03-19 16:44:14 <xelister> [Tycho]: I hope he was joking ;)
1194 2011-03-19 16:44:23 <Blitzboom> interest rate isnât feasible with bitcoin atm, BlueMatt
1195 2011-03-19 16:44:24 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: it leaves the door open to future problems...not the same
1196 2011-03-19 16:44:25 <BlueMatt> at all
1197 2011-03-19 16:44:25 <overtorque> xelister: i dont know what you mean about "and still stupid negros touch-"rape" ;) you and your family on airports"
1198 2011-03-19 16:44:38 <overtorque> are you racists, xelister ?
1199 2011-03-19 16:44:53 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: hence the currency couldnt be a backbone of the world
1200 2011-03-19 16:44:54 <joepie91> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=iXpRF9TK
1201 2011-03-19 16:44:54 <joepie91> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FH4wDdhP
1202 2011-03-19 16:44:56 <Blitzboom> the risk to go in enormous debts is too high
1203 2011-03-19 16:44:58 <xelister> overtorque: TSA can enslave you to subit into body padtown (meaning them touching your wife on boobies and same with your doughter), or submit them to undress for them
1204 2011-03-19 16:45:10 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: dont get me wrong, I think btc has serious potential as an online/micropayment currency
1205 2011-03-19 16:45:14 <Blitzboom> you want a fiat currency backbone?
1206 2011-03-19 16:45:15 <overtorque> xelister: yea, i hate the fucking TSA.. as do most americans
1207 2011-03-19 16:45:16 <xelister> overtorque: nigger please, I'm not racist
1208 2011-03-19 16:45:18 <BlueMatt> but as a main backbone of an economy it has no chance
1209 2011-03-19 16:45:31 <overtorque> xelister: ha!
1210 2011-03-19 16:45:31 <BlueMatt> xelister: some people are american and dont like that work ;)
1211 2011-03-19 16:45:48 <xelister> overtorque: so you all hate TSA.. and... and still TSA does the same thing, nothing changes
1212 2011-03-19 16:45:49 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: its necessary
1213 2011-03-19 16:45:53 <xelister> so democracy is NOT working
1214 2011-03-19 16:45:56 <xelister> also!
1215 2011-03-19 16:45:57 <overtorque> xelister: correct
1216 2011-03-19 16:46:16 <overtorque> like i said, xelister, democracy is not perfect
1217 2011-03-19 16:46:17 <Blitzboom> lending money?
1218 2011-03-19 16:46:24 <Blitzboom> and debts
1219 2011-03-19 16:46:27 <Blitzboom> iâm not sure
1220 2011-03-19 16:46:42 <xelister> now USA will have street strip-scanners. The scanners like on airports, rolling in the streets in VANs and without consent, covertly, undressing you all. This is said by officiall governemnt docusemtns of ordering R&D of this technology including CONVERT operation
1221 2011-03-19 16:46:42 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: a modern economy depends on those things whether you like them or not
1222 2011-03-19 16:47:01 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: if that wasnt possible, the world would still be back 200 years
1223 2011-03-19 16:47:02 <overtorque> xelister: i gotta go.. but stop hating america so much
1224 2011-03-19 16:47:10 <[Tycho]> Why ?
1225 2011-03-19 16:47:13 <xelister> overtorque: american represent thread to freedom on the world.
1226 2011-03-19 16:47:16 <Blitzboom> ok, so you say the problem is the interest rate isnât fixed?
1227 2011-03-19 16:47:19 <xelister> *America
1228 2011-03-19 16:47:25 <[Tycho]> treat
1229 2011-03-19 16:47:29 <Blitzboom> but the central banks control the interest rate
1230 2011-03-19 16:47:31 <overtorque> xelister: we're not the only ones with governments like that.. look at the UK, cctv everywhere, no right to self defense.. or australia
1231 2011-03-19 16:47:32 <BlueMatt> american govt and media and businesses are FUCKED UP, but that isnt neccessarily america and dont hate on america
1232 2011-03-19 16:47:41 <xelister> overtorque: correct. but usa has most influence
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1234 2011-03-19 16:47:51 <BlueMatt> xelister: not true any more
1235 2011-03-19 16:47:56 <xelister> BlueMatt: hopefully
1236 2011-03-19 16:48:00 <BlueMatt> xelister: eu probably has more power worldwide than us anymore
1237 2011-03-19 16:48:01 <overtorque> xelister: that's not america's fault
1238 2011-03-19 16:48:12 <overtorque> xelister: if people listen to america.. that's THEIR fault
1239 2011-03-19 16:48:13 <Blitzboom> iâm not sure of that, BlueMatt
1240 2011-03-19 16:48:16 <xelister> overtorque: well inn either way.. do MORE to really change how usa works.
1241 2011-03-19 16:48:20 <overtorque> xelister: gotta go
1242 2011-03-19 16:48:27 <Blitzboom> economically ⦠maybe
1243 2011-03-19 16:48:35 <Blitzboom> politically? no
1244 2011-03-19 16:48:51 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: ok well its close either way
1245 2011-03-19 16:48:57 <xelister> overtorque: ok, bbl
1246 2011-03-19 16:49:07 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: and its not the us == world super power any more its us, eu, china == world superpowers
1247 2011-03-19 16:49:14 <BlueMatt> and the us is slowly declining
1248 2011-03-19 16:49:15 <Blitzboom> yeah, i know
1249 2011-03-19 16:49:17 <BlueMatt> or well quickly
1250 2011-03-19 16:49:21 <Blitzboom> china is our new overlord
1251 2011-03-19 16:49:29 <Blitzboom> and the EU is declining too
1252 2011-03-19 16:49:32 <BlueMatt> in the next 10 years the us will no longer be a world economic super power
1253 2011-03-19 16:49:33 <BlueMatt> at all
1254 2011-03-19 16:49:36 <Blitzboom> or will decline in comparison
1255 2011-03-19 16:49:45 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: its a lot better off than the us atm
1256 2011-03-19 16:49:47 <Blitzboom> economic for sure not
1257 2011-03-19 16:49:56 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: yes by a ton
1258 2011-03-19 16:49:57 <Blitzboom> but they have a lot of influence
1259 2011-03-19 16:50:01 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: especially germany
1260 2011-03-19 16:50:05 <Blitzboom> military etc.
1261 2011-03-19 16:50:23 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: Im talking economically though
1262 2011-03-19 16:50:30 <Blitzboom> ok
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1264 2011-03-19 16:51:43 <BlueMatt> and militarily well that will decline with the economy, with a lag time of course
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1266 2011-03-19 16:52:45 <joepie91> the Windows 7 forced application shutdown is starting to piss me off.
1267 2011-03-19 16:52:52 <joepie91> if an app hangs for 2 seconds
1268 2011-03-19 16:52:58 <joepie91> windows decides it crashed
1269 2011-03-19 16:53:00 <joepie91> and shuts it down
1270 2011-03-19 16:53:07 <joepie91> without even asking.
1271 2011-03-19 16:53:09 <BlueMatt> well thats just stupid
1272 2011-03-19 16:53:19 <joepie91> that is VERY annoying if you are doing a heavy irc log search
1273 2011-03-19 16:53:26 <joepie91> or loading a large google docs document
1274 2011-03-19 16:55:07 <Blitzboom> just wait and donât close
1275 2011-03-19 16:55:13 <Blitzboom> itâll continue loading
1276 2011-03-19 16:55:22 <Blitzboom> although it is frozen
1277 2011-03-19 16:56:07 <joepie91> no
1278 2011-03-19 16:56:10 <joepie91> it doesn't lol
1279 2011-03-19 16:56:19 <joepie91> windows says searching for problem for like 10 seconds
1280 2011-03-19 16:56:22 <joepie91> then decides it crashed
1281 2011-03-19 16:56:26 <joepie91> then just forcequits the application
1282 2011-03-19 16:56:30 <joepie91> there is no cancel button.
1283 2011-03-19 16:56:34 <joepie91> it's fucking ridiculous lol
1284 2011-03-19 16:56:58 * joepie91 remembers every day why he uses Linux on his main box
1285 2011-03-19 16:57:15 <xelister> why you stoped? linux rules =) despite its quirks.
1286 2011-03-19 16:57:24 <joepie91> my main box still runs linux :P
1287 2011-03-19 16:57:39 <joepie91> it's due to a coincidental combination of circumstances
1288 2011-03-19 16:57:44 <joepie91> that I am currently working on my windows box
1289 2011-03-19 16:57:45 <joepie91> :P
1290 2011-03-19 16:57:53 <BlueMatt> some of us have to compile bitcoin on windows and osx to write proper upnp patches
1291 2011-03-19 16:58:02 <BlueMatt> god I hate the bitcoin compiling on osx and windows
1292 2011-03-19 16:58:04 <joepie91> meh, I need my windows box for testing
1293 2011-03-19 16:58:07 <joepie91> <-- webdev
1294 2011-03-19 16:58:14 <joepie91> inb4 IES4Linux
1295 2011-03-19 16:58:15 <xelister> webdev testing :o ?
1296 2011-03-19 16:58:18 <[Tycho]> I don't like poorly designed OSes :)
1297 2011-03-19 16:58:19 <joepie91> yes
1298 2011-03-19 16:58:21 <joepie91> internet explorer
1299 2011-03-19 16:58:24 <joepie91> xp in a vm is laggy as fuck
1300 2011-03-19 16:58:25 <xelister> piss on IE
1301 2011-03-19 16:58:33 <BlueMatt> joepie91: not for me
1302 2011-03-19 16:58:33 <joepie91> does not give reliable responsiveness results
1303 2011-03-19 16:58:48 <joepie91> BlueMatt: my main box is a dualcore amd athlon x2 with 2gb ram :)
1304 2011-03-19 16:58:49 <BlueMatt> joepie91: never had a problem
1305 2011-03-19 16:58:52 * xelister lowers pants and pisses on ~~~···...IE
1306 2011-03-19 16:58:54 <[Tycho]> joepie91, you don't have hardware virtualization ?
1307 2011-03-19 16:58:56 <joepie91> it has some trouble coping with two simultaneous OSes
1308 2011-03-19 16:59:07 <joepie91> err, no clue
1309 2011-03-19 16:59:16 <BlueMatt> joepie91: Im running server 2003 on a core 2 quad8200 with about 10 vms running right now
1310 2011-03-19 16:59:25 <BlueMatt> though I guess it does have 8gb ram
1311 2011-03-19 16:59:28 <joepie91> anyhow, IES4Linux is useless because there are rendering differences
1312 2011-03-19 16:59:33 <joepie91> with native windows
1313 2011-03-19 16:59:38 <BlueMatt> though my main box is i7 920 :)
1314 2011-03-19 16:59:40 <joepie91> lol
1315 2011-03-19 16:59:44 <joepie91> that is quite a lot more than my old box
1316 2011-03-19 16:59:56 <joepie91> my main box can handle pretty much whatever I throw at it, except for virtualizing Windows
1317 2011-03-19 16:59:57 * [Tycho] uses 2000 and 2003 at home
1318 2011-03-19 17:00:04 <joepie91> virtualizing Linux works great of course
1319 2011-03-19 17:00:04 <joepie91> :P
1320 2011-03-19 17:00:17 <xelister> [Tycho]: you use windows ?
1321 2011-03-19 17:00:21 <[Tycho]> Of course.
1322 2011-03-19 17:00:28 <xelister> USA is for fags
1323 2011-03-19 17:00:30 <xelister> wait
1324 2011-03-19 17:00:33 <xelister> windows =)
1325 2011-03-19 17:00:36 <xelister> haha. well both.
1326 2011-03-19 17:00:38 <[Tycho]> Are there other operating systems for home use ?
1327 2011-03-19 17:00:44 <BlueMatt> windows just uses too much memory for easy virtualization on most sytems
1328 2011-03-19 17:00:46 <joepie91> err.
1329 2011-03-19 17:00:53 <joepie91> http://www.opensuse.org
1330 2011-03-19 17:00:54 * xelister is poort at multitasking 2 chats & work
1331 2011-03-19 17:01:04 <xelister> [Tycho]: linux is good for home use
1332 2011-03-19 17:01:10 <joepie91> opensuse is a great desktop OS
1333 2011-03-19 17:01:15 <xelister> All my home-use needs are covered by linux for years
1334 2011-03-19 17:01:17 <joepie91> wouldn't want to use it for a server, but for desktops its great
1335 2011-03-19 17:01:17 <[Tycho]> Linux is unsuitable for home use.
1336 2011-03-19 17:01:23 <joepie91> oh, do tell
1337 2011-03-19 17:01:24 <xelister> why?
1338 2011-03-19 17:01:28 <joepie91> because I haven't noticed that yet :)
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1340 2011-03-19 17:01:44 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: used to be, not any more IMHO
1341 2011-03-19 17:01:45 <[Tycho]> May be it's fine for just internet browsing and small scale ofice work, but that's all.
1342 2011-03-19 17:01:47 <xelister> for the 3 years Im using only linux in home, all is ok
1343 2011-03-19 17:02:01 <joepie91> [Tycho]: as I said, my main box is Linux
1344 2011-03-19 17:02:12 <xelister> [Tycho]: what about servers, they are obviously on linux. also bigger networks... so what is left?
1345 2011-03-19 17:02:13 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: I use my main box for a TON of stuff and its all linux
1346 2011-03-19 17:02:18 <joepie91> I have made several other people switch to opensuse after issues with windows
1347 2011-03-19 17:02:19 <[Tycho]> I use FreeBSD on my servers, but home is home :)
1348 2011-03-19 17:02:22 <BlueMatt> the only thing I ever have to load up a windows vm for is vmware client
1349 2011-03-19 17:02:23 <joepie91> and none of them misses anything
1350 2011-03-19 17:02:32 <xelister> [Tycho]: what HOME use can not work on linux for you
1351 2011-03-19 17:03:00 <[Tycho]> Video editing, photo editing, software development.
1352 2011-03-19 17:03:01 <joepie91> (for the record, I've been using suse since 9.2 or so, with windows periods inbetween because I did not always have my own pc)
1353 2011-03-19 17:03:11 <joepie91> video editing, I can agree there, cinelerra etc is horrible to use
1354 2011-03-19 17:03:15 <joepie91> photo editing is just fine in linux
1355 2011-03-19 17:03:17 <xelister> [Tycho]: video editing and sofware development is Work use not Home use
1356 2011-03-19 17:03:22 <joepie91> and photoshop runs fine under wine if you really want it
1357 2011-03-19 17:03:23 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: Ill give you video editing but software development?
1358 2011-03-19 17:03:29 <xelister> Software development is awesome on Linux, best then on windows
1359 2011-03-19 17:03:29 <joepie91> and software development? lol
1360 2011-03-19 17:03:33 <BlueMatt> wtf software development is so much better on linux
1361 2011-03-19 17:03:39 <xelister> developing java - more comfy on linux
1362 2011-03-19 17:03:43 <xelister> same with php
1363 2011-03-19 17:03:45 <joepie91> how you can call software development on linux worse than on windows is beyond me
1364 2011-03-19 17:03:52 <BlueMatt> developing for anything but windows is 100x easier on linux
1365 2011-03-19 17:03:56 <xelister> same with C++ (perhaps other box to test/tweak windows version is needed)
1366 2011-03-19 17:03:59 <[Tycho]> Cross-compiling would just add unnecessary complications.
1367 2011-03-19 17:03:59 <joepie91> video editing is the only really valid point, if you are doing it (semi)professional
1368 2011-03-19 17:04:07 <joepie91> for home videos there's plenty of video editing software
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1370 2011-03-19 17:04:28 <xelister> [Tycho]: as I said. For C++ or other compiling languages, or speciall usees ... get windows. But this is very speciallized WORK use, not home use
1371 2011-03-19 17:04:30 <joepie91> [Tycho]: explain to me how linux is any worse at compiling for windows, than windows is for linux
1372 2011-03-19 17:04:30 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: bitcoin is developed almost exclusivley on linux
1373 2011-03-19 17:04:40 <[Tycho]> I'm using Vegas Video and Digital Fusion mostly.
1374 2011-03-19 17:04:50 <joepie91> wouldn't call that home use lol
1375 2011-03-19 17:04:52 <xelister> [Tycho]: this is specialized work use, not home use
1376 2011-03-19 17:04:57 <xelister> :)
1377 2011-03-19 17:05:12 <[Tycho]> I'm a photographer too, and it's my hobby.
1378 2011-03-19 17:05:21 <joepie91> as I said, photo editing works just fine on Linux
1379 2011-03-19 17:05:22 <xelister> [Tycho]: gimp and other tulls are fully suitable
1380 2011-03-19 17:05:27 <[Tycho]> Is there Lightroom for Linux ?
1381 2011-03-19 17:05:38 <xelister> [Tycho]: you can even make thoes amazing 360 panoramas on linux
1382 2011-03-19 17:05:39 <joepie91> there's GIMP for example, and if you REALLY want Photoshop or other Adobe products, there are PlayOnLinux scripts
1383 2011-03-19 17:05:40 <[Tycho]> gimp is not a replacement for Photoshop.
1384 2011-03-19 17:05:41 <joepie91> that work just fine
1385 2011-03-19 17:05:59 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: gimp has equal features with photoshop for the most part, its ui is just hard to use
1386 2011-03-19 17:06:01 <xelister> [Tycho]: gimp replaces photoshop for all stuff you would need for not-pro use
1387 2011-03-19 17:06:18 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: gimp even has many of the pro features of photoshop[
1388 2011-03-19 17:06:21 <joepie91> (also, selection in GIMP is far superior to photoshop)
1389 2011-03-19 17:06:22 <xelister> and in big part of pro use (despite still idiotic multi windows gui, but that its fixed in newer versions)
1390 2011-03-19 17:06:25 <[Tycho]> Well, then looks like i'm pro :)
1391 2011-03-19 17:06:45 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: its ui sucks, but it has almost all the pro features of photoshop
1392 2011-03-19 17:06:54 <joepie91> point is: for HOME use, Linux is fine
1393 2011-03-19 17:07:02 <joepie91> what you are mentioning is not by any standards home use
1394 2011-03-19 17:07:03 <[Tycho]> I just don't see a point for switching.
1395 2011-03-19 17:07:23 <xelister> [Tycho]: well if you really want you can replace windows with linux with 99% of home use (unless you need to play given computer games) and in 80% of professional software developer work. It takes a bit of effort, but small price to pay for not being microsoft's or apple's bitch
1396 2011-03-19 17:07:23 <joepie91> my reason was stability, speed, and not having to fix ridiculous unexplainable problems every other day.
1397 2011-03-19 17:07:28 <[Tycho]> Even if there are all suitable software - then why ?
1398 2011-03-19 17:07:32 <BlueMatt> the only thing I know of where linux really lags behind win/osx is photo/video stuff only because gimps ui needs redone
1399 2011-03-19 17:07:33 <joepie91> my reason was stability, speed, and not having to fix ridiculous unexplainable problems every other day.
1400 2011-03-19 17:07:39 <BlueMatt> and games
1401 2011-03-19 17:07:46 <xelister> well on windows you are windows bitch
1402 2011-03-19 17:07:49 <xelister> windows call home
1403 2011-03-19 17:07:52 <joepie91> BlueMatt: WINE has surprisingly grown for the past few months-years
1404 2011-03-19 17:07:53 <xelister> windows make you legal problems
1405 2011-03-19 17:07:58 <joepie91> especially with winetricks and playonlinux
1406 2011-03-19 17:07:59 <[Tycho]> I'm not playing games usually. Just Quake-1/2 rarely or Worms Armageddon.
1407 2011-03-19 17:08:00 <xelister> problems with install and upgrades
1408 2011-03-19 17:08:02 <BlueMatt> joepie91: yea, but games still have many problems
1409 2011-03-19 17:08:03 <xelister> problems with new computers
1410 2011-03-19 17:08:10 <joepie91> true, but it's incredible how far they've come
1411 2011-03-19 17:08:19 <joepie91> Metro 2033 for example, runs smooth under WINE for me
1412 2011-03-19 17:08:20 <xelister> I had like 6 computers, would waste a lot to legally use windows there
1413 2011-03-19 17:08:22 <joepie91> which is quite incredible
1414 2011-03-19 17:08:28 <joepie91> seeing as it even gave problems on Windows
1415 2011-03-19 17:08:29 <[Tycho]> I like windows for stability and speed.
1416 2011-03-19 17:08:29 <joepie91> to get it running
1417 2011-03-19 17:08:32 <xelister> alos, linux is FAT MORE COMFORTABLE for softawre devel.
1418 2011-03-19 17:08:34 <BlueMatt> joepie91: how far theve come has nothing to do with should I switch
1419 2011-03-19 17:08:38 <xelister> FAR :> not fat
1420 2011-03-19 17:08:55 <joepie91> BlueMatt: I know, just saying the "don't use Linux for games" is not as strongly applicable as it used to be :)
1421 2011-03-19 17:09:03 <BlueMatt> joepie91: I disagree
1422 2011-03-19 17:09:06 <xelister> installing programs is super comfortable and fast on linux, esp. installing similar stuff on many boes
1423 2011-03-19 17:09:09 <joepie91> [Tycho]: eh, I've never seen Windows outperform Linux in stability and speed.
1424 2011-03-19 17:09:10 <joepie91> lol.
1425 2011-03-19 17:09:11 <BlueMatt> there arent many games which work 100% onwine
1426 2011-03-19 17:09:23 <joepie91> BlueMatt: I play most of the games I have on my Linux box
1427 2011-03-19 17:09:26 <BlueMatt> and none of them work even 90% framerate as using native dx on win
1428 2011-03-19 17:09:30 <joepie91> instead of my Windows box
1429 2011-03-19 17:09:35 <xelister> BlueMatt: I am happy with 2-3 games =)
1430 2011-03-19 17:09:37 <xelister> its simple
1431 2011-03-19 17:09:40 <xelister> play older games
1432 2011-03-19 17:09:43 <xelister> play linux games
1433 2011-03-19 17:09:46 <xelister> then you are 100% happy =)
1434 2011-03-19 17:09:53 <xelister> no shitty hw requiremenets
1435 2011-03-19 17:09:55 <xelister> no shitty DRM shit
1436 2011-03-19 17:09:58 <[Tycho]> Luckily Quake is available for all platforms :)
1437 2011-03-19 17:10:13 <joepie91> even the Starforce protection on Spellforce 2 somehow worked under WINE for me
1438 2011-03-19 17:10:16 <[Tycho]> Not sure about Worms Armageddon :)
1439 2011-03-19 17:10:33 <xelister> [Tycho]: if you like quake, check out urban terror game
1440 2011-03-19 17:10:38 <xelister> [Tycho]: and tremoulous
1441 2011-03-19 17:10:43 <joepie91> Sauerbraten
1442 2011-03-19 17:10:43 <xelister> the later being 100% opensource
1443 2011-03-19 17:11:00 <joepie91> Sauerbraten, while not visually great, is amazing
1444 2011-03-19 17:11:03 <xelister> joepie91: yea I played that game and it was... strage... I am supposed to play to it online or offline?
1445 2011-03-19 17:11:08 <BlueMatt> look up red eclipse
1446 2011-03-19 17:11:12 <[Tycho]> Linux guys created some ossm replacement for WA - "Hedgewars", but i don't like it.
1447 2011-03-19 17:11:14 <joepie91> http://sauerbraten.org/
1448 2011-03-19 17:11:15 <BlueMatt> awsome floss game that came out like 2 days ago
1449 2011-03-19 17:11:23 <joepie91> xelister: online is much more fun
1450 2011-03-19 17:11:24 <xelister> link
1451 2011-03-19 17:11:25 <joepie91> the AI is a bit meh
1452 2011-03-19 17:11:36 <BlueMatt> redeclipse.net iirc
1453 2011-03-19 17:11:37 <joepie91> oh
1454 2011-03-19 17:11:41 <joepie91> RedEclipse
1455 2011-03-19 17:11:42 <joepie91> I downloaded it
1456 2011-03-19 17:11:44 <joepie91> still have to install
1457 2011-03-19 17:12:30 <joepie91> are there any kickstarter projects for linux btw?
1458 2011-03-19 17:12:33 <joepie91> linux gaming*
1459 2011-03-19 17:13:26 <BurtyB> if they used garagegames engine (torque) all this porting to different platforms would be a lot easier :)
1460 2011-03-19 17:13:43 <BlueMatt> BurtyB: make games not engines
1461 2011-03-19 17:13:56 <[Tycho]> The only reason to install Linux for me would be when i'll REALLY need some software that doesn't works on 2000/2003 anymore :) Well, may be i'll should try Mac then :)
1462 2011-03-19 17:14:17 <joepie91> ....
1463 2011-03-19 17:14:21 <joepie91> why would you use os x?
1464 2011-03-19 17:14:31 <BlueMatt> whatever to each his own...I prefer linux
1465 2011-03-19 17:14:36 <BlueMatt> joepie91: its better than windows?
1466 2011-03-19 17:14:43 <joepie91> mh\
1467 2011-03-19 17:14:47 <joepie91> in stability, yes
1468 2011-03-19 17:14:53 <BlueMatt> and supports good video/photo editing tools
1469 2011-03-19 17:14:54 <joepie91> but I wouldn't want to develop on os x
1470 2011-03-19 17:15:04 <BlueMatt> joepie91: actually xcode is really nice
1471 2011-03-19 17:15:05 <[Tycho]> Actually i don't like Aqua interface. But there is Photoshop :)
1472 2011-03-19 17:15:08 <joepie91> :/
1473 2011-03-19 17:15:09 <[Tycho]> And Lightroom.
1474 2011-03-19 17:15:09 <BlueMatt> though objC isnt that great
1475 2011-03-19 17:15:21 <joepie91> I very much dislike the GUI of OS x itself
1476 2011-03-19 17:15:25 <[Tycho]> Once i tried to develop for OSX, looked like hell.
1477 2011-03-19 17:15:32 <joepie91> has little to do with xcode
1478 2011-03-19 17:15:36 <joepie91> also
1479 2011-03-19 17:15:40 <joepie91> my development is mainly webdev anyway
1480 2011-03-19 17:15:49 <joepie91> and I use Geany for that on both windows and linux
1481 2011-03-19 17:16:03 <BlueMatt> oh well webdev you can do anywhere
1482 2011-03-19 17:16:09 <joepie91> lolno
1483 2011-03-19 17:16:12 <BlueMatt> webdev isnt developing on osx
1484 2011-03-19 17:16:17 <joepie91> errr
1485 2011-03-19 17:16:25 <joepie91> developing on os x = using an os x system to develop on
1486 2011-03-19 17:16:28 <[Tycho]> Is there any nice raw converters for linux ? Or, may be, image archiving software ?
1487 2011-03-19 17:16:29 <joepie91> I didn't say FOR os x
1488 2011-03-19 17:16:29 <joepie91> :P
1489 2011-03-19 17:16:37 <joepie91> I just strongly dislike the OS X GUI
1490 2011-03-19 17:16:44 <joepie91> and I wouldn't want to work with that
1491 2011-03-19 17:16:47 <BlueMatt> joepie91: ok, well webdev you can do in a fucking text editor so...
1492 2011-03-19 17:16:52 <joepie91> [Tycho]: there's a ton for that
1493 2011-03-19 17:16:54 <BlueMatt> joepie91: not that its nice but...
1494 2011-03-19 17:16:57 <joepie91> BlueMatt
1495 2011-03-19 17:17:04 <joepie91> I prefer an actual IDE which is why I use Geany
1496 2011-03-19 17:17:06 <joepie91> but that is not the point
1497 2011-03-19 17:17:11 <[Tycho]> "<joepie91> I just strongly dislike the OS X GUI" - me too. Classic mac GUI was better, but it's not "modern" :)
1498 2011-03-19 17:17:11 <BlueMatt> joepie91: and there are literally a fuckton of webdev programs for any platform you wan
1499 2011-03-19 17:17:11 <joepie91> the point is not the editor
1500 2011-03-19 17:17:18 <joepie91> the point is the GUI of the OS
1501 2011-03-19 17:17:19 <joepie91> the point is the GUI of the OS
1502 2011-03-19 17:17:25 <BlueMatt> I disagree, I like the osx UI
1503 2011-03-19 17:17:31 <joepie91> _that_ is what I do not want to work with
1504 2011-03-19 17:17:36 <joepie91> also
1505 2011-03-19 17:17:44 <joepie91> from what I know about setting up a webserver stack on os x...
1506 2011-03-19 17:17:46 <joepie91> it's not pretty
1507 2011-03-19 17:17:54 <BlueMatt> joepie91: actually its REALLY easy on osx
1508 2011-03-19 17:18:10 <BlueMatt> you just check the preference pane thats like "webshare" and you are 90% done
1509 2011-03-19 17:18:12 <[Tycho]> http://tr00.ru/me_wpl3.jpg - my home :) (more than a year ago)
1510 2011-03-19 17:18:17 <BlueMatt> or you could use macports, etc if you want full lamp
1511 2011-03-19 17:18:19 <joepie91> httpd + php + mysql + imagemagick + any other php extension i want?
1512 2011-03-19 17:18:28 <joepie91> and without having to recompile all my shit
1513 2011-03-19 17:18:29 <BlueMatt> joepie91: its unix so a ton easier than win
1514 2011-03-19 17:18:29 <joepie91> or whatever
1515 2011-03-19 17:18:37 <BlueMatt> joepie91: you could use macports
1516 2011-03-19 17:18:43 <BlueMatt> not that great but it works
1517 2011-03-19 17:18:54 <Blitzboom> BlueMatt: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4667.0
1518 2011-03-19 17:18:55 <joepie91> and would it allow me to just click a button and have a PHP extension installed?
1519 2011-03-19 17:18:57 <Blitzboom> could interest you
1520 2011-03-19 17:19:05 <joepie91> like I do with WAMP on Windows and with my package manager on OpenSuSE
1521 2011-03-19 17:19:16 <BlueMatt> joepie91: yea macports
1522 2011-03-19 17:19:24 <BlueMatt> joepie91: macports == package manager
1523 2011-03-19 17:19:38 <joepie91> k, and it allows installation of php extensions seperately as well? :P
1524 2011-03-19 17:19:41 <joepie91> I've seen package managers before
1525 2011-03-19 17:19:44 <joepie91> that only did the php coer
1526 2011-03-19 17:19:46 <joepie91> core*
1527 2011-03-19 17:20:03 <BlueMatt> joepie91: iirc it has separate packages
1528 2011-03-19 17:20:29 <joepie91> k, if that actually works now, then there's no complaint from me in that department
1529 2011-03-19 17:20:32 <BlueMatt> joepie91: but if it has php then it might come with 90% of extensions and you just enable them in php.ini
1530 2011-03-19 17:20:34 <[Tycho]> Also there is MS Outlook in Windows, i can sync my phone/PDA with it :)
1531 2011-03-19 17:20:50 <joepie91> mm... php usually does not come with extensions
1532 2011-03-19 17:20:55 <joepie91> unless it's explicitly compiled for that
1533 2011-03-19 17:21:01 <joepie91> which is the case for, for example, WAMP
1534 2011-03-19 17:21:06 <joepie91> not sure how it's done in Linux
1535 2011-03-19 17:21:14 <BlueMatt> joepie91: Im saying compiled with them all
1536 2011-03-19 17:21:24 <joepie91> yes, I know... the question is, is that the case :)
1537 2011-03-19 17:21:26 <BlueMatt> joepie91: in most linuxes its compiled with all extensions then packaged separatley
1538 2011-03-19 17:21:41 <joepie91> k
1539 2011-03-19 17:21:49 <joepie91> derp, windows just forcequit notepad
1540 2011-03-19 17:21:50 <joepie91> -_-
1541 2011-03-19 17:22:07 <BlueMatt> whatever everyone has their own needs. any sufficiently sophisticated user can get what they want out of any os, it just might take a bit more work
1542 2011-03-19 17:22:15 <joepie91> uh
1543 2011-03-19 17:22:21 <joepie91> I can't get speed and stability out of Windows
1544 2011-03-19 17:22:24 <joepie91> and I've modded quite a lot
1545 2011-03-19 17:22:24 <joepie91> :P
1546 2011-03-19 17:22:33 <BlueMatt> joepie91: well modding win never turns out well
1547 2011-03-19 17:22:43 <joepie91> actually, it does in many cases :P
1548 2011-03-19 17:22:48 <BlueMatt> joepie91: all of my win installs are stable and fast for me
1549 2011-03-19 17:22:50 <joepie91> I also had a premodded XP at one point in time
1550 2011-03-19 17:22:54 <joepie91> essential 2
1551 2011-03-19 17:22:54 <joepie91> or sth
1552 2011-03-19 17:22:54 <BlueMatt> joepie91: dont know what you are doing
1553 2011-03-19 17:23:06 <joepie91> it was a LOT better than vanilla XP
1554 2011-03-19 17:23:22 <joepie91> but still, it was near impossible to get it to be _really_ stable
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1557 2011-03-19 17:23:38 <[Tycho]> "<joepie91> I can't get speed and stability out of Windows", "and I've modded quite a lot" - that's the reason :)
1558 2011-03-19 17:24:09 <joepie91> lolno
1559 2011-03-19 17:24:11 <joepie91> nice try, but no
1560 2011-03-19 17:24:21 <joepie91> it was worse before the modding
1561 2011-03-19 17:24:42 <BlueMatt> joepie91: Ive never had a stock windows install be unstable for me
1562 2011-03-19 17:24:50 <[Tycho]> Usually my uptime is months before there is some need for restart :)
1563 2011-03-19 17:24:52 <BlueMatt> well stock as in vanilla
1564 2011-03-19 17:25:02 <BlueMatt> not oem built
1565 2011-03-19 17:25:08 <BlueMatt> those are almost never stable or remotley fast
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1567 2011-03-19 17:25:27 <joepie91> BlueMatt: I run a shitton of things at the same time
1568 2011-03-19 17:25:30 <[Tycho]> And i never reinstalled windows since the first installation.
1569 2011-03-19 17:25:42 <joepie91> my highest uptime I've achieved was... 1 month?
1570 2011-03-19 17:25:45 <joepie91> maybe 2?
1571 2011-03-19 17:25:46 <BlueMatt> joepie91: well win sucks for that
1572 2011-03-19 17:25:49 <joepie91> exactly
1573 2011-03-19 17:25:58 <joepie91> shit constantly crashed
1574 2011-03-19 17:26:03 <joepie91> dragging down the whole OS
1575 2011-03-19 17:26:12 <joepie91> I have not a _single_ OS crash on the counter for linux
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1579 2011-03-19 17:26:50 * joepie91 is going to try out RedEclipse
1580 2011-03-19 17:26:51 <joepie91> brb
1581 2011-03-19 17:28:53 <BlueMatt> gameplay is similar to unreal tournament in that it is really fast paced
1582 2011-03-19 17:29:01 <BlueMatt> and the graphics are pretty good
1583 2011-03-19 17:29:07 <BlueMatt> not great
1584 2011-03-19 17:29:43 <xelister> atomizer...
1585 2011-03-19 17:30:36 <xelister> hmm wrong channel
1586 2011-03-19 17:32:43 <joepie91> jesus.
1587 2011-03-19 17:32:46 <joepie91> that is chaotic.
1588 2011-03-19 17:33:01 <joepie91> I was fairly good at UT
1589 2011-03-19 17:33:03 <joepie91> but this is just...
1590 2011-03-19 17:33:06 <joepie91> chaotic
1591 2011-03-19 17:33:12 <joepie91> :P
1592 2011-03-19 17:33:26 <BlueMatt> yea
1593 2011-03-19 17:33:30 <BlueMatt> but its fun
1594 2011-03-19 17:33:56 <joepie91> I'll have to train a bit more
1595 2011-03-19 17:34:04 <joepie91> I think I fragged like 1 guy
1596 2011-03-19 17:34:09 <joepie91> and got fragged like 262346234623462346 times
1597 2011-03-19 17:34:18 <joepie91> lol
1598 2011-03-19 17:34:21 <BlueMatt> learn on the bots first
1599 2011-03-19 17:38:34 <joepie91> might want to try that indeed :P
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1605 2011-03-19 17:46:11 <gsan> Hello all. I didn't want to revive an old forum thread: BitDNS bounty isn't in the active bounties list (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Active_Bounties), how come?
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1607 2011-03-19 17:48:42 <Blitzboom> add it
1608 2011-03-19 17:49:59 <gsan> Well sure, but I don't know if it's dead or not. There doesn't seem to be any activity in the forum. If the community gave up on the idea, then...
1609 2011-03-19 17:50:28 <gsan> ...let it rot I guess.
1610 2011-03-19 17:51:36 <Blitzboom> i just added one bounty, thanks for reminding me
1611 2011-03-19 17:51:47 <dissipate> gsan, what are you referring to?
1612 2011-03-19 17:52:13 <BlueMatt> bitdns
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1614 2011-03-19 17:56:47 <gsan> yep, bitdns
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1618 2011-03-19 18:07:42 <miner_> ;;bc,gen 3000000
1619 2011-03-19 18:07:44 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 3000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 39.6026759111 BTC per day and 1.6501114963 BTC per hour.
1620 2011-03-19 18:07:59 <miner_> ;;bc,gen 4000000
1621 2011-03-19 18:08:01 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 4000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 52.8035678815 BTC per day and 2.20014866173 BTC per hour.
1622 2011-03-19 18:08:47 <miner_> ;;bc,gend 4000000 65000
1623 2011-03-19 18:08:47 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 4000000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 65000, is 61.8971311129 BTC per day and 2.5790471297 BTC per hour.
1624 2011-03-19 18:09:13 <miner_> ;;bc,stats
1625 2011-03-19 18:09:15 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114157 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 754 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 1 hour, 21 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 66062.19925245
1626 2011-03-19 18:11:45 <miner_> ;;bc,gend 5300000 66000
1627 2011-03-19 18:11:46 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 5300000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 66000, is 80.7710669257 BTC per day and 3.36546112191 BTC per hour.
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1629 2011-03-19 18:13:31 <BlueMatt> bdb 4.8 and 4.7 files are interchangeable?????
1630 2011-03-19 18:15:26 <sipa> the log files aren't, i believe
1631 2011-03-19 18:15:49 <BlueMatt> I thought that was just a difference between 4.X and 5.X?
1632 2011-03-19 18:15:51 <BlueMatt> dam ok
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1634 2011-03-19 18:16:12 <devrandom> ;;bc,gend 1000000 66000
1635 2011-03-19 18:16:12 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1000000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 66000, is 15.2398239483 BTC per day and 0.634992664511 BTC per hour.
1636 2011-03-19 18:16:22 <BlueMatt> bitcoin uses 4.7 right?
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1638 2011-03-19 18:18:21 <devrandom> ;;bc,gend 1000000 76000
1639 2011-03-19 18:18:21 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1000000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 76000, is 13.2345839551 BTC per day and 0.551440998128 BTC per hour.
1640 2011-03-19 18:18:37 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: bitcoin works with any ver I think
1641 2011-03-19 18:19:11 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: by default it ships with 4.7 correct? ie other builds should use 4.7 for compatability?
1642 2011-03-19 18:20:00 <sipa> BlueMatt: i believe so
1643 2011-03-19 18:20:46 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: it doesn't ship with anything
1644 2011-03-19 18:21:02 <luke-jr> all builds should use whatever their OS has
1645 2011-03-19 18:21:06 <BlueMatt> bdb is dynamically loaded included?
1646 2011-03-19 18:21:20 <sipa> jgarzik: for the scratchoff cards, maybe it's easier to encode block number / tx number in block in some way as ID?
1647 2011-03-19 18:21:31 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: it should be
1648 2011-03-19 18:22:02 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: no its static atm
1649 2011-03-19 18:22:17 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: it shouldn't be
1650 2011-03-19 18:22:21 <luke-jr> that's a bug in the binary
1651 2011-03-19 18:22:25 <sipa> jgarzik: that's shorter and easier to retrieve when thin clients appear
1652 2011-03-19 18:22:35 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: Im asking what it is, not what it should be or any other of your crap
1653 2011-03-19 18:22:52 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: no u
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1656 2011-03-19 18:38:57 <jgarzik> sipa: you don't know that until after the fact
1657 2011-03-19 18:39:33 <jgarzik> Silverpike: you don't have the tx hash until the tx is built (thus, unavailable during building process). and you don't know the block number for a while after that, so that's no use either.
1658 2011-03-19 18:39:38 <jgarzik> block number / hash
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1660 2011-03-19 18:43:16 <sipa> jgarzik: is that a problem? you can easily wait a day after creation, no?
1661 2011-03-19 18:44:30 <jgarzik> sipa: I'm not sure you understand how these things work...
1662 2011-03-19 18:44:47 <jgarzik> sipa: what problem, specifically, do you see / are you having?
1663 2011-03-19 18:46:04 <sipa> jgarzik: i don't really like the idea that you need a full database of all unspent tx's to be able to spend it
1664 2011-03-19 18:46:23 <jgarzik> sipa: you don't
1665 2011-03-19 18:46:34 <jgarzik> sipa: all you need is the password and the tx id.
1666 2011-03-19 18:46:52 <jgarzik> sipa: not sure where you got this "full database" idea
1667 2011-03-19 18:47:18 <sipa> how will you get the transaction with just a 32-bit id, if you don't have the full list?
1668 2011-03-19 18:47:53 <afed> ;;bc,stats
1669 2011-03-19 18:48:00 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114159 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 752 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 1 hour, 10 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 66010.41682036
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1671 2011-03-19 18:49:24 <echelon> hi
1672 2011-03-19 18:50:13 <sipa> jgarzik: my point is... typically creation of such a card takes a while anyway, so waiting some blocks won't be a problem, and just 32 bits of the txid is only useful if you know how all tx's, which thin clients won't be able to do
1673 2011-03-19 18:50:34 <jgarzik> sipa: presumably request it via P2P. _somebody_ _somewhere_ has to have the TX, because the local wallet will not have it. Otherwise it is logically impossible.
1674 2011-03-19 18:51:01 <sipa> if you change the protocol, sure, that's also a possibility
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1676 2011-03-19 18:51:21 <jgarzik> sipa: as long as you know a snippet of the TX id, you can request it. 32 bits is plenty for that.
1677 2011-03-19 18:51:36 <sipa> or add some public registries (outside of the P2P protocol) which allow you to look it up
1678 2011-03-19 18:51:45 <jgarzik> sipa: so yes in its present form, it requires a local block database
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1680 2011-03-19 18:52:15 <jgarzik> sipa: lightweight clients can request the TX, or have users to go a website whose proprietor has the full database, to redeem the card
1681 2011-03-19 18:52:36 <sipa> true
1682 2011-03-19 18:54:18 <jgarzik> sipa: it's ultimately a question of consumer utility versus security + ease of lookup. A consumer is not going to use a card that requires them to enter a full 256 bit TX hash + password, each time they redeem a card...
1683 2011-03-19 18:54:31 <sipa> exactly
1684 2011-03-19 18:54:38 <jgarzik> so how to _reduce_ that information to something usable, while still being secure?
1685 2011-03-19 18:54:59 * jgarzik welcomes better solutions...
1686 2011-03-19 18:55:42 <jgarzik> Consumer credit cards here in the US will give you about 57 bits to work with (16 digits)
1687 2011-03-19 18:56:36 <sipa> on the long term, i'd say use a QR code or something similar
1688 2011-03-19 18:57:18 <jgarzik> yeah, printing makes things easier
1689 2011-03-19 18:57:38 <sipa> a windows activation code is 25 alphabetic characters, or 117 bits, and people also type that in
1690 2011-03-19 18:58:26 <sipa> but user-friendly is something else
1691 2011-03-19 18:59:20 * jgarzik was already thinking about adding options which let the user control the number of bits in the password, to let the card creator decide their level of consumer usability vs. security.
1692 2011-03-19 18:59:32 <jgarzik> dial a range between 64 - 256 bits.
1693 2011-03-19 18:59:58 <sipa> your key derivation function is quite easily extendable to other amounts of data
1694 2011-03-19 19:01:50 <jgarzik> yes
1695 2011-03-19 19:02:57 * jgarzik was also thinking about an optional salt. If the creator & user are both able to supply an optional salt value, that would increase security of a 64-bit password.
1696 2011-03-19 19:03:51 <jgarzik> that may, or may not, work for consumer usability.
1697 2011-03-19 19:04:07 <jgarzik> adds a third input value, besides txid and password
1698 2011-03-19 19:05:05 <jgarzik> of course, could drop the txid and simply require (card name: "zebra", password: "1111 2222 AAAA CCCC"), and scan the block chain for unspent TX's.
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1710 2011-03-19 19:40:16 * jgarzik wishes he could disable animated images in his browser, for a specific page
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1712 2011-03-19 19:43:12 <discHead> jgarzik-- That's what userscripts are for. :-) Oh--you said animated images. Hmmm.
1713 2011-03-19 19:43:31 <ZenMondo> damn I wrote something in perl that did that in 1997 ofcourse that was for animated gifs.
1714 2011-03-19 19:44:11 <discHead> What other formats can be animated? PNG?
1715 2011-03-19 19:46:24 <joepie91> technically yes
1716 2011-03-19 19:46:35 <joepie91> practically... it's not very widely supported
1717 2011-03-19 19:46:39 <joepie91> but even jpeg can be animated
1718 2011-03-19 19:46:40 <joepie91> technically
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1722 2011-03-19 19:46:56 <joepie91> also, ????????????????
1723 2011-03-19 19:47:44 <jgarzik> It's mainly the annoying animated images on the forums. geebus and necrodearia use them, among others.
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1726 2011-03-19 19:48:11 <joepie91> most forums allow you to turn off avatars
1727 2011-03-19 19:48:12 <[Tycho]> Some forums deny use of animated gifs as avatars
1728 2011-03-19 19:48:13 <joepie91> and signature images
1729 2011-03-19 19:48:15 <jgarzik> very distracting. sometimes I literally put a paper over part of the monitor with flashing, animated images, so that I may concentrate on the post itself.
1730 2011-03-19 19:48:24 <joepie91> jgarzik: what forum software?
1731 2011-03-19 19:48:31 <[Tycho]> I would not permit animated gifs too :)
1732 2011-03-19 19:48:37 <jgarzik> joepie91: The Forum
1733 2011-03-19 19:48:41 <jgarzik> bitcoin.org
1734 2011-03-19 19:48:45 <joepie91> oh, smf
1735 2011-03-19 19:48:46 <joepie91> yes
1736 2011-03-19 19:48:49 <joepie91> it has it in profile
1737 2011-03-19 19:48:57 <joepie91> "do not display avatars" or something similar
1738 2011-03-19 19:49:29 <joepie91> also, SMF is very nice, but the bitcoin forum could use some light themeing :)
1739 2011-03-19 19:49:37 <joepie91> err
1740 2011-03-19 19:49:40 <joepie91> theming*?
1741 2011-03-19 19:49:51 * joepie91 is not a native English speaker
1742 2011-03-19 19:54:16 <BitterTea> Anyone interested in a 50 BTC bounty for assisting in the restore of a raid 5 array (md, linux)
1743 2011-03-19 19:54:35 <BlueMatt> would anyone be interested in a vmware image of windows which builds bitcoin?
1744 2011-03-19 19:54:40 <BlueMatt> BitterTea: sure
1745 2011-03-19 19:57:43 Omnifarious is now known as Omni|AFK
1746 2011-03-19 19:57:44 <[Tycho]> BlueMatt, free or not ? :)
1747 2011-03-19 19:57:51 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: of course
1748 2011-03-19 19:58:00 <BlueMatt> just to help people who dont have amazon access
1749 2011-03-19 19:58:13 <[Tycho]> How it's related to amazon ?
1750 2011-03-19 19:58:16 <tcatm> BlueMatt: I'd be interested
1751 2011-03-19 19:58:31 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: there are currently amazon vms you can use
1752 2011-03-19 19:58:44 <BlueMatt> but I dont have access to amazon and am building a bunch of enviromments to build on
1753 2011-03-19 19:58:50 <BlueMatt> so I just wondered if anyone wanted them
1754 2011-03-19 20:00:42 <[Tycho]> I would like to try it :)
1755 2011-03-19 20:00:44 <mmagic> i never understood why people think that $10 sells "moves" the market.
1756 2011-03-19 20:01:22 <[Tycho]> Someone bought all real money on BTCex recently...
1757 2011-03-19 20:01:36 <Blitzboom> real money? :D
1758 2011-03-19 20:01:56 <[Tycho]> I mean the others, not bitcoin :)
1759 2011-03-19 20:02:14 <Myckel> so, he sold a shitload of btc
1760 2011-03-19 20:02:31 <[Tycho]> Not that many.
1761 2011-03-19 20:02:40 <[Tycho]> BTCex has a low volume
1762 2011-03-19 20:02:51 <Myckel> :/
1763 2011-03-19 20:03:11 <mmagic> tiny volumes..
1764 2011-03-19 20:03:32 <sipa> jgarzik: when using such cards, the user always needs to trust the issuer of the card, right (say: if it isn't scratched off, the key in there is valid and has the claimed amount available)
1765 2011-03-19 20:04:01 <Myckel> does that happen often then on BTCex?
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1768 2011-03-19 20:05:04 <sipa> jgarzik: so, maybe you could have two options 1) a QR code in there, with the full txid and private key in it (that's 512 bits, 88 base58 characters) 2) a simple secret but short ID, which can be redeemed at the issuers' website :)
1769 2011-03-19 20:05:15 <cool> cool
1770 2011-03-19 20:05:20 <cool> those are good words
1771 2011-03-19 20:07:00 <cool> i just downloaded bitcoin
1772 2011-03-19 20:07:23 <sipa> congrats
1773 2011-03-19 20:07:33 <cool> i probaly wont get very much bitcoin from my terrible computers but whatever
1774 2011-03-19 20:07:56 <sipa> if it's not worth it, don't
1775 2011-03-19 20:08:13 <sipa> there's a lot more to bitcoin than just generating money out of thin air
1776 2011-03-19 20:08:34 <cool> like selling stuff for bitcoin
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1786 2011-03-19 20:33:02 <miner_> anybody want a PS3 for 160 btc?
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1790 2011-03-19 20:49:12 <joepie91> if you guess what this is, you get 1BTC: (>^_(>O.o)>
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1793 2011-03-19 20:55:51 <BlueMatt> confused asian?
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1797 2011-03-19 21:02:27 <Blitzboom> joepie91: surprise buttsex
1798 2011-03-19 21:03:30 <joepie91> cloooose
1799 2011-03-19 21:03:36 <joepie91> tip: Nintendo
1800 2011-03-19 21:03:48 <Blitzboom> kirby
1801 2011-03-19 21:03:53 <joepie91> almost
1802 2011-03-19 21:03:56 <joepie91> it is kirby
1803 2011-03-19 21:03:58 <joepie91> buuuttt.....
1804 2011-03-19 21:04:22 <Blitzboom> kirby sucking someone in?
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1806 2011-03-19 21:04:28 <joepie91> well fuck it, you got both parts already :P
1807 2011-03-19 21:04:32 <joepie91> I'll just send you the BTC
1808 2011-03-19 21:04:33 <joepie91> lol
1809 2011-03-19 21:04:38 <Blitzboom> haha
1810 2011-03-19 21:04:38 <joepie91> kirby surprise buttsex
1811 2011-03-19 21:04:40 <joepie91> address? :D
1812 2011-03-19 21:04:44 <Blitzboom> oh, ok
1813 2011-03-19 21:04:51 <Blitzboom> 1E1GxFke5BvmaAM5YtKq7BgNLU8sziLXDX
1814 2011-03-19 21:05:04 <joepie91> sent :)
1815 2011-03-19 21:05:12 <Blitzboom> thanks :D
1816 2011-03-19 21:05:35 <joepie91> also
1817 2011-03-19 21:05:41 <joepie91> http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/601321
1818 2011-03-19 21:05:44 <joepie91> listen to that track
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1832 2011-03-19 21:34:16 <genjix> sgornick: sites not coming online monday either :p been pushed back a week.
1833 2011-03-19 21:35:45 <BlueMatt> is devrandom on the forum on here as well?
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1835 2011-03-19 21:45:06 <luke-jr> anyone know if miner_'s PS3 supports PS2 games? :P
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1839 2011-03-19 22:11:44 <Kiba> how can anybody hate profit ???
1840 2011-03-19 22:13:00 <Blitzboom> iâll tell you for 1 BTC
1841 2011-03-19 22:13:36 <Kiba> no
1842 2011-03-19 22:14:19 <luke-jr> lol
1843 2011-03-19 22:14:57 <Kiba> communists have a strange idea of what profit is
1844 2011-03-19 22:16:25 <Zarutian> What is the first rule of acquisition?
1845 2011-03-19 22:16:50 <Kiba> I think I am going to boycot FatherMcGruber
1846 2011-03-19 22:17:08 <Kiba> for the sake of getting that annoying asshole out of the fucking community
1847 2011-03-19 22:17:20 <genjix> shut up. you're an annoying asshole.
1848 2011-03-19 22:17:24 <Blitzboom> i will boycot you, then
1849 2011-03-19 22:17:39 <BlueMatt> Im boycotting you all, oh wait that just means I cant talk to anyone
1850 2011-03-19 22:17:49 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
1851 2011-03-19 22:17:49 <gribble> 114175
1852 2011-03-19 22:17:54 <genjix> in other news: usa is invading libya
1853 2011-03-19 22:18:03 <BlueMatt> genjix: not quite
1854 2011-03-19 22:18:20 <BlueMatt> genjix: more like fired a couple missiles at libya
1855 2011-03-19 22:18:28 <BlueMatt> france has already flown planes over libya
1856 2011-03-19 22:18:31 <Blitzboom> Kiba seems like he canât cope with other peopleâs opinions
1857 2011-03-19 22:19:28 <subpar> USA doesn't invade - we get admonished for not supporting Libya -- If the USA sends troops we are a$$hats who should mind our own business =)
1858 2011-03-19 22:19:42 <genjix> maybe they can bomb saudi arabia and bahrain then
1859 2011-03-19 22:20:14 <BlueMatt> I think we should really stop discussing countries, its kinda getting out of hand
1860 2011-03-19 22:20:46 <luke-jr> bomb Israel plz kthx
1861 2011-03-19 22:20:48 <subpar> BlueMatt: I just stepped in and will step out just as fast
1862 2011-03-19 22:21:15 <BlueMatt> subpar: na its ok now, it was bad earlier though
1863 2011-03-19 22:21:23 <genjix> when?
1864 2011-03-19 22:21:25 <luke-jr> ideally EMP and/or neutron so the ancient stuff doesn't get destroyed
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1866 2011-03-19 22:21:38 <BlueMatt> genjix: when everyone was arguing over the us' govt etc
1867 2011-03-19 22:21:39 <luke-jr> (and if neutron, give them warning so they can evacuate)
1868 2011-03-19 22:21:45 <genjix> ic
1869 2011-03-19 22:21:58 <subpar> I am off to go turn off BTC and play with the new monitor and Crysis 2 demo
1870 2011-03-19 22:22:01 <luke-jr> so do EMP first, to take out their weaponry, with a warning of neutron bomb in a week
1871 2011-03-19 22:22:01 <genjix> frankly quite sick of all this war and killing.
1872 2011-03-19 22:22:15 <BlueMatt> genjix: aren't we all
1873 2011-03-19 22:22:28 <Kiba> Blitzboom: I don't see any reason to provide him services and goods to people who hates my way of life
1874 2011-03-19 22:22:59 <BlueMatt> anyone else had problems compiling bitcoin on windows with a need libc...dll?
1875 2011-03-19 22:23:16 <BlueMatt> ie need -static-glibc?
1876 2011-03-19 22:23:26 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: glibc isn't Windows
1877 2011-03-19 22:23:40 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: sorry I meant -static-libgcc
1878 2011-03-19 22:23:51 <luke-jr> GCC also isn't Windows⦠-.-
1879 2011-03-19 22:23:52 <BlueMatt> and libgcc_s_d2...dll
1880 2011-03-19 22:24:01 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: but if you compile using gcc it is
1881 2011-03-19 22:24:07 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: which bitcoin does
1882 2011-03-19 22:25:46 <BlueMatt> same thing with -static-libstdc++
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1884 2011-03-19 22:38:35 emeril is now known as eureka^
1885 2011-03-19 22:47:23 * BlueMatt has successfully compiled bitcoin on all 3 major platforms...god that was hard
1886 2011-03-19 22:47:45 <BlueMatt> and for windows and osx there are rendering artifacts :(
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1895 2011-03-19 23:01:04 <genjix> woah
1896 2011-03-19 23:01:13 <genjix> i just found 4chan posting about bitcoin!
1897 2011-03-19 23:01:18 <genjix> joepie91: ^ :p
1898 2011-03-19 23:01:29 <genjix> cool
1899 2011-03-19 23:01:32 <genjix> "its legit. Most common is LSD since its so easy to ship.
1900 2011-03-19 23:01:33 <genjix> they have an online currency they use....BTC which is about .86cent : 1BTC"
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1902 2011-03-19 23:01:36 <joepie91> lolol
1903 2011-03-19 23:01:37 <joepie91> nice
1904 2011-03-19 23:01:41 <genjix> (talking about silkroad)
1905 2011-03-19 23:02:09 <joepie91> in other news
1906 2011-03-19 23:02:15 <joepie91> someone publicized logs
1907 2011-03-19 23:02:18 <joepie91> from my channel on anonops
1908 2011-03-19 23:02:23 <joepie91> and has attempted to dox anons
1909 2011-03-19 23:02:28 <joepie91> so I got some logs from external sources
1910 2011-03-19 23:02:31 <joepie91> and compared them...
1911 2011-03-19 23:02:35 <joepie91> radi0[radi0@EAFAFC59.48BEDFEB.39BA82AB.IP]
1912 2011-03-19 23:02:35 <joepie91> radi0[radi0@E30E25FA.C308A7E9.39BA82AB.IP]
1913 2011-03-19 23:02:35 <joepie91> radi0[radi0@5BCAEA2B.C308A7E9.39BA82AB.IP]
1914 2011-03-19 23:02:35 <joepie91> zoot[lol@A1F90C55.6A70A733.39BA82AB.IP]
1915 2011-03-19 23:02:36 <joepie91> oops :)
1916 2011-03-19 23:03:05 <joepie91> the idiots left in their joins and parts, in the publicized logs
1917 2011-03-19 23:03:14 <joepie91> so it was pretty easy to figure out who they were
1918 2011-03-19 23:03:55 <ZenMondo> In other news Anon hates paypal but anonnews takes paypal donations. Thats almost as amusing as the westboro baptist posts from last month. :)
1919 2011-03-19 23:04:23 <joepie91> there's not much choice when you're a dutchfag :)
1920 2011-03-19 23:04:50 <joepie91> there is one payment processor that has a considerable userbase AND pays out to dutch bank accounts
1921 2011-03-19 23:04:52 <joepie91> and that's paypal
1922 2011-03-19 23:05:39 <joepie91> I'd love to drop paypal from there... but it's not really possible atm
1923 2011-03-19 23:05:58 <ZenMondo> Hey not faulting just enjoying the irony.
1924 2011-03-19 23:06:12 <ZenMondo> where in Holland are you? I used to live in Amsterdam
1925 2011-03-19 23:07:05 <joepie91> dordrecht
1926 2011-03-19 23:07:06 <joepie91> also
1927 2011-03-19 23:07:09 <joepie91> for the sake of nitpicking
1928 2011-03-19 23:07:16 <joepie91> holland =/= netherlands
1929 2011-03-19 23:07:17 <joepie91> :)
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1931 2011-03-19 23:08:33 <ZenMondo> And Germany != Deutschland and Japan != Nippon and so on?
1932 2011-03-19 23:09:10 <genjix> no holland is a state in netherlands
1933 2011-03-19 23:10:05 <genjix> USA != Texas
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1935 2011-03-19 23:10:16 <overtorque> Texas > USA
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1937 2011-03-19 23:11:53 <joepie91> err
1938 2011-03-19 23:11:58 <joepie91> Holland consists of two provinces
1939 2011-03-19 23:12:02 <joepie91> it's a part of the netherlands
1940 2011-03-19 23:12:04 <joepie91> a region, if you wish
1941 2011-03-19 23:12:16 <joepie91> zuid-holland + noord-holland = holland
1942 2011-03-19 23:12:25 <joepie91> holland + 10 other provinces = netherlands
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1946 2011-03-19 23:13:52 <ZenMondo> ah I see. I was not entirely aware. My geography was learned as a child reading a 60s era World Book Encyclopedia. Thanks for the Clarification. When I lived in Amsterdam I only got out of the city twice.
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1948 2011-03-19 23:13:59 <BlueMatt> does anyone know anything at all about compiling miniupnpc on windows?
1949 2011-03-19 23:14:09 <BlueMatt> or the mingw compiling system???/
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1953 2011-03-19 23:16:41 <BlueMatt> never mind well I cant get a proper build on windows
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1955 2011-03-19 23:16:50 <BlueMatt> I think someone else has to port upnp to windows
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1960 2011-03-19 23:27:55 <lfm> BlueMatt: upnp was invented on mswin, its already there in some dll if you just find it
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1962 2011-03-19 23:28:21 <BlueMatt> lfm: yea I dont really want to use ms' upnp implementation
1963 2011-03-19 23:28:32 <BlueMatt> or more specifically I dont want to try to code using that
1964 2011-03-19 23:28:56 <BlueMatt> especially when I cant quite figure out how the building on win is working
1965 2011-03-19 23:29:02 <BlueMatt> though I sort of have it going
1966 2011-03-19 23:29:16 <lfm> ok then, you do what you want
1967 2011-03-19 23:29:31 <BlueMatt> lfm: please code the mswin upnp port ;)
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1978 2011-03-19 23:53:26 <luke-jr> ebay: "NEW 128MB ATI Radeon 9200 PCI Video Graphics Card/VGA"
1979 2011-03-19 23:54:55 <agorist> $1USD = 1.31BTC :D
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1981 2011-03-19 23:59:40 <Blitzboom> agorist: buy buy buy