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   6 2011-03-20 00:04:32 <lzsaver> hey all
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  15 2011-03-20 00:23:59 <genjix> MagicalTux: i got a vps for dissipate from kalyhost but it's been 3 days and hasn't been verified
  16 2011-03-20 00:24:18 <genjix> https://www.kalyhost.com/payment.html?order=a785d3af-3775-4cf9-bad0-40b8b72f8b5c&Locale=en_US
  17 2011-03-20 00:25:28 <necrodearia> jgarzik, oh?
  18 2011-03-20 00:26:29 <genjix> necrodearia: you know we're using the same openid library? i've been doing tests and some gmail accounts fail.
  19 2011-03-20 00:26:36 <genjix> like 1 in 5
  20 2011-03-20 00:27:15 <genjix> http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&biw=508&bih=629&q=google+openid+the+page+you+requested+is+invalid&aq=0&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=google+openid+the+pag
  21 2011-03-20 00:29:05 <genjix> tried many google accounts. not sure what steps cause that error to happen, but it does. apparently it's because google doesn't adhere to the openid standard properly.
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  26 2011-03-20 00:32:43 <necrodearia> genjix, see http://blog.wekeroad.com/thoughts/open-id-is-a-party-that-happened
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  28 2011-03-20 00:34:19 <necrodearia> "Turns out that Yahoo and Google have a different idea about what Open ID is supposed to do - because the the Identifier used for these users would change based on... some voodoo (sorry, but that's all I can deduce). "
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  30 2011-03-20 00:35:42 <genjix> what a load of horseshit
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  32 2011-03-20 00:36:47 <genjix> oh fuck me
  33 2011-03-20 00:37:09 <genjix> i'm going to disable google and yahoo then. Only recommend MyOpenID
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  36 2011-03-20 00:46:18 <necrodearia> genjix, Alternatively you can instead rely on the email address provided.
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  38 2011-03-20 00:50:36 <genjix> necrodearia: now i have to a) handle login security (store password hashes, manage accounts)  b) send emails + signup links
  39 2011-03-20 00:52:40 <necrodearia> genjix, ^_^ that's what I do, but without emails
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  41 2011-03-20 00:54:17 <genjix> yep but for a financial site im not risking it.
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  46 2011-03-20 01:06:13 <slush1> what I need to change to support >32 bit extranonce?
  47 2011-03-20 01:07:58 <sipa> slush1: where?
  48 2011-03-20 01:08:28 <slush1> in bitcoind
  49 2011-03-20 01:10:17 <sipa> nExtraNonce will need to become something larger than unsigned int, in that case
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  51 2011-03-20 01:10:30 <sipa> look at IncrementExtraNonce
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  53 2011-03-20 01:10:54 <sipa> you could turn it into a CBigNum
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  56 2011-03-20 01:11:44 <slush1> sipa: how many bits will be used then?
  57 2011-03-20 01:11:53 <sipa> as many as you like
  58 2011-03-20 01:12:17 <slush1> so I can encode whole Internet into it then?
  59 2011-03-20 01:12:20 <slush1> (except porn)
  60 2011-03-20 01:12:40 <slush1> bad joke, sorry
  61 2011-03-20 01:12:43 <slush1> thanks for advice :)
  62 2011-03-20 01:13:06 <sipa> you'll need to change things in a few places, i think
  63 2011-03-20 01:14:18 <slush1> well, it looks like nExtraNonce is already stored as CBigNum
  64 2011-03-20 01:14:34 <slush1> so if I understand correctly, I need to modify only function header
  65 2011-03-20 01:14:48 <slush1> (and calls to it)
  66 2011-03-20 01:15:42 <sipa> indeed
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  69 2011-03-20 01:18:48 <Kiba> MUHAHHAHA
  70 2011-03-20 01:20:11 <overtorque> is BTC going up or down? someone tell me.. and please be correct
  71 2011-03-20 01:20:53 <devrandom> yes
  72 2011-03-20 01:22:35 <hacim> how do I read the top chart on http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxUSD.html ?
  73 2011-03-20 01:23:28 <overtorque> green bar means it closed higher than it started
  74 2011-03-20 01:23:31 <overtorque> red means the opposite
  75 2011-03-20 01:23:44 <overtorque> the thick part is between the opening and closing price.. the line is the high and low for that time period
  76 2011-03-20 01:24:07 <Kiba> the bulls and bears had been fighting all days
  77 2011-03-20 01:24:28 <Kiba> typically, there's been a dramatic drop followed by a dramatic rise and then...
  78 2011-03-20 01:24:31 <overtorque> http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg60zvztgSzm1g10zm2g25
  79 2011-03-20 01:24:36 <overtorque> that chart hacim ?
  80 2011-03-20 01:25:05 <Diablo-D3> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/03/19/169217/Pruned-Microchips-Twice-As-Fast-and-Efficient?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29
  81 2011-03-20 01:25:06 <Diablo-D3> wow
  82 2011-03-20 01:25:08 <Diablo-D3> Slashdot fails
  83 2011-03-20 01:25:19 <Diablo-D3> Intel and AMD have been doing this for years
  84 2011-03-20 01:25:21 <Diablo-D3> AMD especially
  85 2011-03-20 01:25:42 <Diablo-D3> it even shows in AMD's intenral microop language, it has ops ONLY for what the chip has hardware for
  86 2011-03-20 01:26:18 <Diablo-D3> everything it doesnt have ops for is shit out as large lists of ops
  87 2011-03-20 01:26:34 <Diablo-D3> AND this is also why very lean RISCs run so fucking fast for their wattage
  88 2011-03-20 01:26:37 <Diablo-D3> theres nothing in them
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  93 2011-03-20 01:31:34 <hacim> overtorque: thats the one
  94 2011-03-20 01:32:31 <hacim> overtorque: 'closed higher than it started' -- i dont understand this when the market never actually 'closes'?
  95 2011-03-20 01:32:45 <sipa> i suppose it's just at 24h intervals
  96 2011-03-20 01:33:20 <hacim> yeah that makes sense
  97 2011-03-20 01:33:35 <hacim> overtorque: thanks for the explanation... now what can I do with that information? :)
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 106 2011-03-20 01:57:34 <sgornick> hacim: If you aren't familiar with s3052's technical analysis, .. at a minimum it will help chronicle the ride that bitcoin market rate has followed.  http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=4480537#post4480537  http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1493.msg67000#msg67000
 107 2011-03-20 02:02:14 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
 108 2011-03-20 02:02:15 <gribble> 114196
 109 2011-03-20 02:03:01 <Diablo-D3> you know, Nadesico is fucked up
 110 2011-03-20 02:03:24 <Diablo-D3> in Nadesico, a "real robot" genre anime, they watch a "super robot" genre Anime called Gekiganger III
 111 2011-03-20 02:03:38 Lachesis has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
 112 2011-03-20 02:04:05 <Diablo-D3> except theres an episode of Nadesico which is really an episode of Gekiganger III, where the cast of Gekiganger III are watching a filler clips episode of Nadesico
 113 2011-03-20 02:04:17 <Diablo-D3> and then the cast of Gekiganger III are inspired by it to do shit
 114 2011-03-20 02:04:18 <Diablo-D3> so
 115 2011-03-20 02:04:28 <Diablo-D3> oh, and its canon to Gekiganger III
 116 2011-03-20 02:04:41 <Diablo-D3> it shows up in later "episodes" of it when the cast of Nadesico watch it
 117 2011-03-20 02:04:42 <Diablo-D3> so
 118 2011-03-20 02:04:58 <Diablo-D3> Nadesico is inspired by Gekiganger III which is inspired by Nadesico
 119 2011-03-20 02:05:12 <Diablo-D3> which are both shows watched by their cast in their respective universes
 120 2011-03-20 02:05:16 * Diablo-D3 's head explodes from the meta
 121 2011-03-20 02:07:04 <Validus> ...
 122 2011-03-20 02:07:18 <Diablo-D3> yeah, how the fuck does that work
 123 2011-03-20 02:07:35 <Validus> i dont know but it sounds good. and thats what matters
 124 2011-03-20 02:07:36 <Validus> lol
 125 2011-03-20 02:07:52 <Diablo-D3> well, Nadesico is a parody of real robot shows
 126 2011-03-20 02:08:02 <Diablo-D3> Gekiganger III is a parody of super robot shows
 127 2011-03-20 02:08:11 <Diablo-D3> and Gekiganger III is a show within a show
 128 2011-03-20 02:08:22 <Diablo-D3> but Nadesico is a show within Gegkiganger III as well
 129 2011-03-20 02:08:30 <genjix> cool! i just found an easter egg in ubuntu bash
 130 2011-03-20 02:08:36 <genjix> can anyone check if they have it too?
 131 2011-03-20 02:08:37 <genjix> :(){ :|: & };:
 132 2011-03-20 02:08:40 <genjix> type that
 133 2011-03-20 02:08:47 <Diablo-D3> genjix: tee hee
 134 2011-03-20 02:08:52 <Diablo-D3> genjix: :D :D :D :D :D
 135 2011-03-20 02:08:53 <genjix> you get to play space invaders
 136 2011-03-20 02:08:57 <genjix> :D
 137 2011-03-20 02:09:08 <Diablo-D3> btw, that doesnt work on BFS, just for the record
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 139 2011-03-20 02:09:54 <genjix> that's a shame. they're obviously not very fun people.
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 145 2011-03-20 02:20:31 <dissipate> genjix, how goes?
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 148 2011-03-20 02:24:57 <genjix> dissipate: i got a vps from MagicalTux ... but still waiting for it to come through
 149 2011-03-20 02:25:03 <genjix> he's not responding yet
 150 2011-03-20 02:25:23 <dissipate> genjix, it's not automated? weird.
 151 2011-03-20 02:25:29 <genjix> https://www.kalyhost.com/payment.html?order=a785d3af-3775-4cf9-bad0-40b8b72f8b5c&Locale=en_US
 152 2011-03-20 02:26:15 <genjix> i haven't got an email yet
 153 2011-03-20 02:27:14 <dissipate> genjix, how many months does that get you?
 154 2011-03-20 02:28:16 <genjix> 3 but mtux said he'll probably extend it.
 155 2011-03-20 02:28:33 <genjix> so might be longer
 156 2011-03-20 02:29:01 <MagicalTux> genjix, ?
 157 2011-03-20 02:29:25 <MagicalTux> you should have gotten an email a while ago
 158 2011-03-20 02:29:51 <genjix> i got nothing...
 159 2011-03-20 02:29:53 <MagicalTux> like 30 minutes before you answered to dissipate
 160 2011-03-20 02:29:54 <MagicalTux> :p
 161 2011-03-20 02:30:03 <MagicalTux> I see the mail outgoing
 162 2011-03-20 02:30:16 <genjix> bollocsnutsack@yahoo.co.uk
 163 2011-03-20 02:30:25 <MagicalTux> no
 164 2011-03-20 02:30:42 <MagicalTux> hotmail
 165 2011-03-20 02:30:43 <dissipate> wow, that's quite an email
 166 2011-03-20 02:31:01 <MagicalTux> https://www.kalyhost.com/manager/account/profil.html <- genjix check this page to see the email attached to your account
 167 2011-03-20 02:31:03 * nameless !~root@weowntheinter.net|signs that email up for several penis enlargement plans
 168 2011-03-20 02:31:03 <genjix> it's my spam mail
 169 2011-03-20 02:32:14 <MagicalTux> anyway I can confirm your VPS was delievered
 170 2011-03-20 02:32:21 <genjix> i see.
 171 2011-03-20 02:32:49 <MagicalTux> things are not easy here as I don't have a permanent internet connection
 172 2011-03-20 02:33:12 <MagicalTux> (for now)
 173 2011-03-20 02:33:12 <genjix> "Your password is invalide, or your new password does't math, or your new email doesn't match"
 174 2011-03-20 02:33:21 <genjix> needs some spelling corrections :)
 175 2011-03-20 02:33:24 <MagicalTux> o
 176 2011-03-20 02:33:29 <MagicalTux> stupid french canadian ><
 177 2011-03-20 02:33:34 <MagicalTux> shouldn't have left him do that
 178 2011-03-20 02:33:40 <genjix> also "-Confirmer l'Adresse :"
 179 2011-03-20 02:33:49 <MagicalTux> yeah
 180 2011-03-20 02:33:58 <MagicalTux> let me check the i18n catalog
 181 2011-03-20 02:34:09 <genjix> "Warning: changing any information here will logout you from any other location you might be logged in from."
 182 2011-03-20 02:34:15 <genjix> "will log you out"
 183 2011-03-20 02:34:59 <genjix> "from any other location where you are logged in."
 184 2011-03-20 02:35:26 <genjix> anyway, it's not letting me update my email.
 185 2011-03-20 02:35:32 <MagicalTux> wanna work on kalyhost ?
 186 2011-03-20 02:36:00 <MagicalTux> :p
 187 2011-03-20 02:36:04 <MagicalTux> I fixed a few things
 188 2011-03-20 02:36:06 <genjix> you mean translate? I'll help you out. send me the file.
 189 2011-03-20 02:36:10 <MagicalTux> make sure you provided your old password
 190 2011-03-20 02:37:17 <genjix> "Email or password change with sucess" -> "Email or password change unsuccessful."
 191 2011-03-20 02:37:42 <MagicalTux> nah
 192 2011-03-20 02:37:43 <MagicalTux> successful
 193 2011-03-20 02:38:00 <MagicalTux> "Your account information were modified successfully."
 194 2011-03-20 02:38:00 <genjix> but my email didn't change?
 195 2011-03-20 02:38:01 <MagicalTux> :p
 196 2011-03-20 02:38:06 <MagicalTux> reload page?
 197 2011-03-20 02:38:24 <MagicalTux> the guy who worked on kalyhost did a lot of crap >.<
 198 2011-03-20 02:38:24 <genjix> nope
 199 2011-03-20 02:38:50 <genjix> i think your vps are great but your site is horrible :p
 200 2011-03-20 02:39:17 <MagicalTux> mh
 201 2011-03-20 02:39:21 <MagicalTux> I just tried the form
 202 2011-03-20 02:39:23 <MagicalTux> it works fine
 203 2011-03-20 02:39:29 <MagicalTux> I updated my account's email without any problem
 204 2011-03-20 02:39:35 <MagicalTux> just put the old password in password
 205 2011-03-20 02:39:42 <MagicalTux> and new email twice in the email fields
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 207 2011-03-20 02:39:48 <MagicalTux> no trouble or whathowver
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 209 2011-03-20 02:40:24 <dissipate> genjix, are you up and running?
 210 2011-03-20 02:40:32 <MagicalTux> genjix, for VPS you might want to use autovps.net the interface is a bit less buggy (but missing account management pages >.< )
 211 2011-03-20 02:40:36 <xelister> bubble bursting? ;) 0.70 ?
 212 2011-03-20 02:41:46 <JFK911> rip bitcoins
 213 2011-03-20 02:42:45 <genjix> MagicalTux: have you used xpra? it's an X version of GNU screen... you can watch me
 214 2011-03-20 02:42:51 <genjix> i can change my password
 215 2011-03-20 02:42:54 <genjix> but not email
 216 2011-03-20 02:43:17 <genjix> dissipate: nearly :p
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 218 2011-03-20 02:43:39 <MagicalTux> genjix, are you sure you never used that email to create an account on kalyhost before?
 219 2011-03-20 02:43:57 <genjix> i did for pastecoin, but for spesmilo i used a yahoo one
 220 2011-03-20 02:44:31 <genjix> xelister: 0.6 on bitcoin central :)
 221 2011-03-20 02:44:34 <MagicalTux> you cannot have 2 kalyhost accounts with the same email
 222 2011-03-20 02:45:45 <joepie91> guess I was just in time to convert my btc into $
 223 2011-03-20 02:45:46 <genjix> im using the same account from before (with the hotmail address)
 224 2011-03-20 02:45:46 <joepie91> :|
 225 2011-03-20 02:46:01 <genjix> joepie91: wrong way around.
 226 2011-03-20 02:46:12 <joepie91> howso?
 227 2011-03-20 02:46:27 <joepie91> if 1 btc = 0.6 that is worse than 1 btc = 0.85
 228 2011-03-20 02:46:31 <joepie91> if you are going from btc to $
 229 2011-03-20 02:46:50 <genjix> xelister: see my first post http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3396.0
 230 2011-03-20 02:46:58 <genjix> *see the first post
 231 2011-03-20 02:47:00 <genjix> lol
 232 2011-03-20 02:47:28 <MagicalTux> genjix, your email ?
 233 2011-03-20 02:47:39 <MagicalTux> (in privmsg if you want)
 234 2011-03-20 02:48:02 <genjix> MagicalTux: i can login, then when i go to the profile, using the same password I can set a new password, but i cannot change the email.
 235 2011-03-20 02:48:21 <genjix> bollocsnutsack@yahoo.co.uk
 236 2011-03-20 02:48:37 <genjix> so probably your form has a bug in it :p
 237 2011-03-20 02:48:49 <joepie91> anyhow, time to sleep
 238 2011-03-20 02:48:51 <joepie91> goodnight all
 239 2011-03-20 02:49:32 <MagicalTux> as I thought
 240 2011-03-20 02:49:39 <MagicalTux> genjix, you already have an account on kalyhost with that email
 241 2011-03-20 02:49:44 <MagicalTux> this explains why you cannot set it
 242 2011-03-20 02:49:52 <genjix> aha
 243 2011-03-20 02:50:01 <genjix> yes
 244 2011-03-20 02:50:35 <MagicalTux> genjix, anyway if you have access to your hotmail account, your invoice and vps ip/root password were sent there
 245 2011-03-20 02:50:40 <genjix> it should say why instead of saying "wrong password, cannot change."
 246 2011-03-20 02:50:48 <genjix> no i do not. hotmail locked me out.
 247 2011-03-20 02:50:55 <MagicalTux> genjix, the system provides the info, the guy who did the site didn't use it
 248 2011-03-20 02:51:43 <MagicalTux> genjix, if you update your email with freenode's nickserv, I might consider forwarding your vps access there
 249 2011-03-20 02:52:05 <MagicalTux> (and make my system add your genjix2 account in Cc of mails to genjix account)
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 251 2011-03-20 02:52:56 <genjix> is there any way to disable the email completely?
 252 2011-03-20 02:53:15 <MagicalTux> you don't want to know when your vps will expire?
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 254 2011-03-20 02:53:50 <genjix> better than allowing people the chance to crack my email and gain access
 255 2011-03-20 02:53:55 <MagicalTux> :p
 256 2011-03-20 02:53:58 <MagicalTux> ok
 257 2011-03-20 02:54:29 <MagicalTux> you'll be logged out
 258 2011-03-20 02:54:33 <genjix> you could set login messages.
 259 2011-03-20 02:54:46 <MagicalTux> yep
 260 2011-03-20 02:54:55 <genjix> instead of email. (I think it works by system mail)
 261 2011-03-20 02:55:13 <MagicalTux> I'll do something to log all outgoing emails for each account anyway
 262 2011-03-20 02:55:22 <MagicalTux> so you'll be able to disable completly email for your account
 263 2011-03-20 02:55:27 <MagicalTux> for now I've set it to something else
 264 2011-03-20 02:55:56 <genjix> kk
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 266 2011-03-20 02:55:58 <MagicalTux> anyway
 267 2011-03-20 02:56:02 <genjix> i always recommend your vps
 268 2011-03-20 02:56:19 <MagicalTux> you could login to kalyhost, and reinstall your VPS (It'll reset the root password to the current vnc password)
 269 2011-03-20 02:56:45 <genjix> other services always install weird stuff like apache to /opt/ when i just want a blank ubuntu
 270 2011-03-20 02:56:49 <MagicalTux> genjix, I'd recommend you recommend autovps for now (at least until I can hire someone to fix kalyhost)
 271 2011-03-20 02:57:04 <genjix> what needs fixing?
 272 2011-03-20 02:57:18 <MagicalTux> a lot of stuff :D
 273 2011-03-20 02:57:34 <MagicalTux> some forms are inert with IE, a lot of pages do not use the i18n system, etc
 274 2011-03-20 02:57:48 <MagicalTux> I was looking for someone I could pay in bitcoins
 275 2011-03-20 02:58:06 <MagicalTux> anyway gotta go now
 276 2011-03-20 02:58:12 <genjix> kk, stay safe
 277 2011-03-20 02:58:19 <genjix> put an ad on marketplace maybe
 278 2011-03-20 02:58:33 <MagicalTux> (I also need to hire someone for PR)
 279 2011-03-20 02:58:41 <MagicalTux> (like putting hire ads)
 280 2011-03-20 02:58:44 <MagicalTux> (anyway cya)
 281 2011-03-20 02:58:45 <xelister> genjix: people should invest into improving bitcoin, like into bitcoin over freenet =)
 282 2011-03-20 02:58:48 <genjix> hah i cant help you with that :p
 283 2011-03-20 02:59:04 <genjix> xelister: that's why dissipate bought me this vps
 284 2011-03-20 02:59:14 <xelister> why/
 285 2011-03-20 02:59:31 <genjix> you didn't see the site?
 286 2011-03-20 02:59:36 <xelister> which one
 287 2011-03-20 02:59:41 <genjix> k hopefully i'll have it up soonish
 288 2011-03-20 03:00:37 * genjix still didn't get that login/pass :)
 289 2011-03-20 03:02:01 <xelister> bbl
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 291 2011-03-20 03:02:38 <dissipate> genjix, you still don't have access? that sucks.
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 293 2011-03-20 03:04:49 <jgarzik> sipa: any chance you can review my latest scratch-code patch?  in particular, I am unsure yet that the add-keys-and-TX-to-wallet is 100% correct, and you are working in that area right now.
 294 2011-03-20 03:06:33 * Kiba listens to the podcast
 295 2011-03-20 03:06:34 <Kiba> interesting
 296 2011-03-20 03:06:52 <Kiba> well, not that
 297 2011-03-20 03:06:54 <Kiba> interesting
 298 2011-03-20 03:07:00 <Kiba> but it's good news to see that bitcoin is spreading and spreading
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 302 2011-03-20 03:07:28 <sipa> jgarzik: sure, but now i'm going to sleep
 303 2011-03-20 03:07:30 <Blitzboom> that podcast with gavin?
 304 2011-03-20 03:13:24 <Kiba> Blitzboom: yeah, it's comperhensive...it's as good if not better than Security NOw
 305 2011-03-20 03:13:36 <Blitzboom> better
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 307 2011-03-20 03:21:21 <dissipate> Kiba, looks like the spreading of bitcoin has slowed. price is dropping.
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 311 2011-03-20 03:22:19 <Kiba> dissipate: it's to be expected after spectuclar growth
 312 2011-03-20 03:22:27 <Kiba> February was great
 313 2011-03-20 03:22:39 <Kiba> March is looking healthy
 314 2011-03-20 03:22:43 <Kiba> we're keeping all our gains
 315 2011-03-20 03:22:44 <Kiba> in growth
 316 2011-03-20 03:24:00 <lfm> I think dissipate has a vested interest in the price dropping and even in the seeming of the price dropping
 317 2011-03-20 03:24:41 <Blitzboom> haha
 318 2011-03-20 03:24:52 <dissipate> lfm, i'm short 100,000 BTC
 319 2011-03-20 03:25:29 <Kiba> lol
 320 2011-03-20 03:25:37 <dissipate> j/k
 321 2011-03-20 03:25:43 <lfm> see, if you are shorting btc you want the price down
 322 2011-03-20 03:25:51 <dissipate> i currently have no monetary investment in bitcoin.
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 337 2011-03-20 04:33:35 <jgarzik> heh
 338 2011-03-20 04:33:46 <jgarzik> I wonder if MM will reappear, after the difficulty falls
 339 2011-03-20 04:34:04 <jgarzik> manipulated oscillation of difficulty was always a possibility
 340 2011-03-20 04:35:27 forrestv is now known as mapbot2
 341 2011-03-20 04:35:53 <ArtForz> guess we'll find out in about 6 days
 342 2011-03-20 04:37:21 <ArtForz> I kinda doubt it
 343 2011-03-20 04:37:23 mapbot2 is now known as forrestv
 344 2011-03-20 04:37:42 <ArtForz> well, the oscillation part
 345 2011-03-20 04:38:21 <ArtForz> you need a VAST majority of network power to make that work
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 348 2011-03-20 04:40:15 <ArtForz> and if you have that as a scenario, it's more profitable for the attacker to pull a mining cartel attack and claim 100% of blocks
 349 2011-03-20 04:41:15 <ArtForz> otherwise the oscillations simply don't manifest
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 351 2011-03-20 04:52:03 <dissipate> i thought someone had a bot net and was generating blocks?
 352 2011-03-20 04:52:17 <ArtForz> yes
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 354 2011-03-20 04:52:51 <ArtForz> somone on the forum claimed that such a mines,leaves,mines,leaves,... would trigger other miners to also do the same thing, only mining in the low difficulty periods
 355 2011-03-20 04:53:06 <ArtForz> = setting off difficulty oscillations
 356 2011-03-20 04:53:13 <ArtForz> I severely doubt that would happen
 357 2011-03-20 04:54:25 <ArtForz> why would a normal miner stop mining just because difficulty went up? less profit is better than no profit.
 358 2011-03-20 04:55:14 <gasteve> that's what I wonder...once you start mining...there's very little incentive to stop mining
 359 2011-03-20 04:56:23 <ArtForz> the only way I can see that happening is if someone can drive up difficulty to a point where mining is unprofitable for a vast majority of miners
 360 2011-03-20 04:56:25 <gasteve> it's really only a question of how much you sell of what you mine (lower price=sell less, keep more ...higher price=sell more, keep less)
 361 2011-03-20 04:57:39 <ArtForz> to do that at current prices that someone would need at least 2Th/s, probably even more
 362 2011-03-20 04:57:57 <gasteve> but what would be the point of that?  as soon as difficulty falls again, presumably the profitability returns and so would the miners
 363 2011-03-20 04:58:16 <ArtForz> yep
 364 2011-03-20 04:58:39 <Validus> it would make more sense they would do it to throw off the market, than more profitable
 365 2011-03-20 04:58:51 <ArtForz> so... why would someone with 80% or so of total network play difficulty games when he could simply pull off a "fork the chain if someone else finds a block" and claim 100% of generation?
 366 2011-03-20 04:58:57 <gasteve> how would it throw off the market?
 367 2011-03-20 04:59:04 <Validus> ppl buy/sell at different prices
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 369 2011-03-20 04:59:20 <Validus> if they feel its easier to mine, then more people start getting onto it also, and prices
 370 2011-03-20 04:59:44 <Validus> as it would float for the demand and how easy/hard it is to obtain them
 371 2011-03-20 05:00:12 <gasteve> what was the total hash rater of this mystery miner?
 372 2011-03-20 05:00:15 <gasteve> *rate
 373 2011-03-20 05:00:22 <ArtForz> 350Gh/s or so
 374 2011-03-20 05:00:32 <ArtForz> http://bitcoin.atspace.com/mysteryminer.html
 375 2011-03-20 05:01:23 <genjix> i prefer sipa's graph
 376 2011-03-20 05:01:32 <genjix> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-10k.png
 377 2011-03-20 05:01:34 <ArtForz> which one?
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 379 2011-03-20 05:01:37 <genjix> looks more dramatic
 380 2011-03-20 05:02:57 <MoonShad0w> That's a lotta nuts! I mean, uh, Gh/s!
 381 2011-03-20 05:03:24 <ArtForz> yup
 382 2011-03-20 05:03:50 <gasteve> how was the MM hashing capacity separated out from the rest of the network?
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 385 2011-03-20 05:04:18 <ArtForz> his blocks had a nonstandard coinbase, and all generation was sent to a single address
 386 2011-03-20 05:04:27 <gasteve> ah
 387 2011-03-20 05:04:39 <gasteve> what does that mean "nonstandard coinbase"?
 388 2011-03-20 05:05:02 <ArtForz> normal clients use 0-127 for bnExtraNonce
 389 2011-03-20 05:05:45 <gasteve> and MM used what?
 390 2011-03-20 05:05:54 <ArtForz> looks like 0-1023
 391 2011-03-20 05:06:38 <gasteve> I wonder if MM is still hashing, just sending rewards to a different addres
 392 2011-03-20 05:06:41 <gasteve> *address
 393 2011-03-20 05:06:47 <gasteve> (or addresses)
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 396 2011-03-20 05:07:16 <ArtForz> doesnt look like it
 397 2011-03-20 05:07:30 <ArtForz> we have at least 200Gh/s from known pools
 398 2011-03-20 05:07:38 <gasteve> doesn't seem like the drop off in total capacity is enough to account for 350ghash/s dropping out
 399 2011-03-20 05:07:43 <genjix> i deleted my wallet and now bitcoind hands -_-
 400 2011-03-20 05:07:48 <genjix> ok works
 401 2011-03-20 05:08:15 <ArtForz> errr... sure looks like it
 402 2011-03-20 05:08:16 <ArtForz> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-10k.png
 403 2011-03-20 05:08:42 <ArtForz> from > 800 to 450-500
 404 2011-03-20 05:09:33 <gasteve> yeah, I guess so
 405 2011-03-20 05:09:40 <ArtForz> it's possible he's still doing 150Gh/s or so, but not much more
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 407 2011-03-20 05:10:30 <gasteve> I wonder if this is a case where some sysadmin had command of a lot of hardware and was discovered, or feared discovery and shut things down
 408 2011-03-20 05:10:44 <genjix> maybe a botnet
 409 2011-03-20 05:11:00 <gasteve> but if a botnet, why stop?
 410 2011-03-20 05:11:15 <ArtForz> only rented the big one for 2-3 days?
 411 2011-03-20 05:11:16 <genjix> would be stupid to continue forever
 412 2011-03-20 05:11:27 <genjix> or that
 413 2011-03-20 05:11:44 <genjix> maybe the owner has some inside info on his imminent discovery
 414 2011-03-20 05:11:55 <genjix>  /pending discovery
 415 2011-03-20 05:12:29 <gasteve> so, maybe they rented a botnet and figured out it wasn't actually profitable?
 416 2011-03-20 05:12:35 <ArtForz> what inside info? iirc Raulo traced back the blocks to one originating IP
 417 2011-03-20 05:13:03 <ArtForz> slushs pool ~140Gh/s, deepbit ~53Gh/s, bitcoinpool ~4.5Gh/s, btcmine ~2Gh/s
 418 2011-03-20 05:13:04 <genjix> i mean by authorities
 419 2011-03-20 05:13:13 <ArtForz> so the pools alone are 200Gh/s
 420 2011-03-20 05:14:34 <ArtForz> big solo miners I know of, at least another 50Gh/s
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 423 2011-03-20 05:15:57 <ArtForz> and my ~40Gh/s
 424 2011-03-20 05:16:02 <gasteve> so, 350gh/s ...that's what ...like 600-700 5970's?
 425 2011-03-20 05:16:20 <ArtForz> yea
 426 2011-03-20 05:16:24 <gasteve> geez
 427 2011-03-20 05:16:56 <gasteve> it's hard to imagine a botnet could even have that capacity
 428 2011-03-20 05:17:02 <ArtForz> thats not that hard
 429 2011-03-20 05:18:06 <ArtForz> well, it kinda is
 430 2011-03-20 05:18:42 <ArtForz> my guess is on average zombies dont have too great CPUs, and you don't want to run 100% cpu to avoid detection, so probably < 1Mh/s/zombie
 431 2011-03-20 05:19:22 <gasteve> exactly
 432 2011-03-20 05:19:39 <ArtForz> so 350k zombies... thats a decently sized botnet, but not really that crazy
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 434 2011-03-20 05:20:08 <gasteve> true...wiki pedia says the largest botnet has about 30 million machines
 435 2011-03-20 05:20:15 <dissipate> ArtForz, if you run at low priority why not run at 100%?
 436 2011-03-20 05:20:48 <ArtForz> dissipate: fan speed
 437 2011-03-20 05:21:28 <gasteve> a lot of people wouldn't even notice the fan (on a laptop)...they might notice it, but not really think anything of it
 438 2011-03-20 05:22:07 <dissipate> a laptop wouldn't be a good zombie. people shut down their laptops often.
 439 2011-03-20 05:22:14 <gasteve> so, perhaps someone rented a botnet, and realized after a while that it wasn't profitable
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 441 2011-03-20 05:22:21 <dissipate> the best ones would be machines that were up close to 100% of the time
 442 2011-03-20 05:22:53 <gasteve> (I have no idea what it would cost to rent a botnet...or whether they charge based on cpu usage)
 443 2011-03-20 05:23:38 <genjix> gasteve: amazon provides one ^^
 444 2011-03-20 05:23:56 <gasteve> "A fairly typical rate for DDoS botnet rental hovers around the $200 for 10,000 bot agents per day"
 445 2011-03-20 05:23:59 <genjix> a botnet is just an illegal super-cheap cluster
 446 2011-03-20 05:24:07 <dissipate> i heard that microsoft tried to shut down a huge bot net
 447 2011-03-20 05:24:17 <ArtForz> ofc another option would be someone moonlighting on a cluster
 448 2011-03-20 05:24:51 <dissipate> wouldn't it be better to just take over a university supercomputer?
 449 2011-03-20 05:24:57 <gasteve> yeah, but that cluster would have to be pretty big (at 600-700 5970s)
 450 2011-03-20 05:25:05 <ArtForz> erm, thats kinda what I mean
 451 2011-03-20 05:25:41 <dissipate> just pay off the sysop
 452 2011-03-20 05:25:55 <ArtForz> or about 40x that in CPUs
 453 2011-03-20 05:26:10 <gasteve> the other possibility is that JPM is doing a little testing
 454 2011-03-20 05:26:36 <dissipate> gasteve, i wonder how many GPUs they have at www.onlive.com i imagine a lot.
 455 2011-03-20 05:27:31 <lfm> dissipate: why don't you find out for sure and get back to us.
 456 2011-03-20 05:28:54 <dissipate> lfm, what if someone at that company mined on spare GPU cycles? :O
 457 2011-03-20 05:29:15 <lfm> that would be nice!
 458 2011-03-20 05:29:38 <dissipate> actually, it would suck for existing miners
 459 2011-03-20 05:29:49 <jgarzik> sysop.  there's a word I have not heard in over 10 years.
 460 2011-03-20 05:30:17 <Minert> xmodem :)
 461 2011-03-20 05:30:27 <jgarzik> -crc
 462 2011-03-20 05:30:28 <genjix> jgarzik: ?
 463 2011-03-20 05:30:40 <genjix> i hear it all the time on forums and stuff...
 464 2011-03-20 05:31:11 <jgarzik> op, yes.  sysop?  not so much, for me.
 465 2011-03-20 05:31:59 <jgarzik> btcmine is only 2Gh/s?
 466 2011-03-20 05:32:04 <jgarzik> wow
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 468 2011-03-20 05:32:13 <dissipate> jgarzik, so what do they call people who run super computers these days?
 469 2011-03-20 05:32:35 <jgarzik> dissipate: Mr. Rich-In-Bitcoins
 470 2011-03-20 05:32:54 <forrestv> hehe
 471 2011-03-20 05:39:19 <noagendamarket> if you rent a botnet and need to cash out all the coins it would crush the market
 472 2011-03-20 05:40:04 <noagendamarket> if the mm dumped all 50 000 coins it would maybe be less than he payed
 473 2011-03-20 05:40:13 <forrestv> yeah ... so what can be done to mitigate this (and future similar issues)?
 474 2011-03-20 05:40:35 <noagendamarket> if the market was a set rate it would actually be worse
 475 2011-03-20 05:40:36 <forrestv> couldn't the owner's address be blacklisted in the client (at the cost of forking the blockchain ...)
 476 2011-03-20 05:40:53 <forrestv> *?
 477 2011-03-20 05:41:19 <forrestv> at the cost of forking whenever he tries to spend
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 479 2011-03-20 05:44:56 <genjix> i used to believe some things computers do today are technically infeasible in the past.
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 482 2011-03-20 05:47:31 <Kiba> genjix: hmm..seem to me that all the mining drive an increase in GPU farms all over the world, which could be used for other applications
 483 2011-03-20 05:48:03 <noagendamarket> it seems the issue was solved of its own accord
 484 2011-03-20 05:48:14 <noagendamarket> without having to do anything
 485 2011-03-20 05:48:18 <noagendamarket> :)
 486 2011-03-20 05:48:22 <Kiba> with the GPU farms
 487 2011-03-20 05:48:29 <Kiba> people could buy spare GPU cycles
 488 2011-03-20 05:48:31 <robotarmy> has anyone considered that is is kinda strange to tie a currency to using electricity?
 489 2011-03-20 05:48:41 <Kiba> robotarmy: wrong, it's not tied to anything
 490 2011-03-20 05:48:43 <noagendamarket> its not tied to electricity
 491 2011-03-20 05:48:49 <Kiba> it's based on the fundamental of supply and demand
 492 2011-03-20 05:49:02 <robotarmy> Kiba: people are building machine that 'mine'
 493 2011-03-20 05:49:06 <noagendamarket> some people mine without any elecricity
 494 2011-03-20 05:49:17 <robotarmy> ?
 495 2011-03-20 05:49:21 <noagendamarket> or it doesnt cost them
 496 2011-03-20 05:49:30 <Kiba> more like it doesn't cost them
 497 2011-03-20 05:49:35 <noagendamarket> yes thats it
 498 2011-03-20 05:49:37 <chaord> robotarmy: theoretically, if everyone could trust one person with one machine to mine all the coins, it wouldn't use very much electricity at all ;)
 499 2011-03-20 05:49:47 <noagendamarket> lol
 500 2011-03-20 05:50:01 <robotarmy> how about actually - are people using computing resources to generate this currency?
 501 2011-03-20 05:50:04 <Kiba> chaord: well, we're all pushing toward more efficent mining anyway
 502 2011-03-20 05:50:35 <robotarmy> doesn't anyone here think about where all the electricity that is used to power these computers comes from?
 503 2011-03-20 05:50:54 <Kiba> nuclear, coal, wind mill, etc
 504 2011-03-20 05:50:57 <robotarmy> and the fact that another small group of people are creating a currency that is otherwise inaccessible to the majority?
 505 2011-03-20 05:51:07 <Kiba> but of course, bitcoin miners will all tend toward the cheapest source of electricity
 506 2011-03-20 05:51:10 <Kiba> robotarmy: not
 507 2011-03-20 05:51:13 <Kiba> robotarmy: no
 508 2011-03-20 05:51:25 <robotarmy> Kiba:  no you don't think about it?
 509 2011-03-20 05:51:40 <Kiba> well, I don't really care
 510 2011-03-20 05:51:42 <Kiba> I don't mine
 511 2011-03-20 05:51:47 <robotarmy> or no it isn't accessable?
 512 2011-03-20 05:51:55 <Kiba> it's accessible
 513 2011-03-20 05:52:26 <chaord> robotarmy: it's hard for normal folks to obtain bitcions right now due to the technical nature of it, but in time, bitcoin will be the most open and easy to enter/exit currency in the world
 514 2011-03-20 05:52:45 <robotarmy> I'm just saying - this reminds me of when a small group of people got together and created a thing called banks
 515 2011-03-20 05:53:25 <ArtForz> wtf?
 516 2011-03-20 05:53:33 <chaord> yes...except this small group of people isn't meeting on an island and deciding how to best use the government's guns to enforce their ideas ;)
 517 2011-03-20 05:53:34 <robotarmy> and the fact that in order to create this currency electricity is used - in a world that is starting to buckle from evironmental pressures - seems noble, but short sighted
 518 2011-03-20 05:54:20 <ArtForz> "omg, people are using electricty to do useful work. the sky is falling"
 519 2011-03-20 05:54:21 <chaord> robotarmy: it's only short sided if you think that human nature (eg people acting in their own self interest) will change anytime soon
 520 2011-03-20 05:54:45 <chaord> ArtForz: lol
 521 2011-03-20 05:54:50 <robotarmy> ArtForz: useful for you
 522 2011-03-20 05:54:52 <robotarmy> ?
 523 2011-03-20 05:54:53 <Kiba> bitcoin mining will tend toward energy efficency anyway
 524 2011-03-20 05:55:08 <Kiba> robotarmy: it's useful for the bitcoin economy because nobody else will perform this work
 525 2011-03-20 05:55:08 <robotarmy> Kiba: that sounds a lot like wishful thinking
 526 2011-03-20 05:55:16 <Kiba> robotarmy: that's inevitable
 527 2011-03-20 05:55:33 <Kiba> for bitcoin mining to be profitable, they must be efficent
 528 2011-03-20 05:55:47 <Kiba> aka energy is either cheap or conserved
 529 2011-03-20 05:56:00 <robotarmy> and where does this energy come frome
 530 2011-03-20 05:56:07 <robotarmy> and who is going to be able to generate this currency
 531 2011-03-20 05:56:08 <Kiba> does it matter?
 532 2011-03-20 05:56:14 <robotarmy> it isn't some dude in nairobi
 533 2011-03-20 05:56:18 <Kiba> so?
 534 2011-03-20 05:56:28 <Kiba> they're performing useful work
 535 2011-03-20 05:56:32 <ArtForz> meanwhile, seti@home is wasting 10x the electricity looking for little green men...
 536 2011-03-20 05:56:44 <robotarmy> ArtForz: No one is saying that is helpful
 537 2011-03-20 05:57:10 <Kiba> why do you care who get to generate the currency?
 538 2011-03-20 05:57:10 <dissipate> ArtForz, according to the guys i talked to in ##ufo, those little green men have been visiting for a long time
 539 2011-03-20 05:57:18 <Kiba> they're performing economicall valuable work
 540 2011-03-20 05:57:24 <robotarmy> I've encountered this attitude in my fellow programmers - where we seem to totally forget that electricity for our machines is built on oil.
 541 2011-03-20 05:57:32 <Kiba> robotarmy: so?
 542 2011-03-20 05:57:36 <robotarmy> and now we are building a currency base on computation
 543 2011-03-20 05:57:42 <ArtForz> ... so?
 544 2011-03-20 05:57:42 <Kiba> so?
 545 2011-03-20 05:57:43 <forrestv> robotarmy, and who deserves it? isn't it most logical to give it to the people creating the infrastructure for bitcoin?
 546 2011-03-20 05:58:10 <robotarmy> forrestv:  that sounds like european privaledge speaking
 547 2011-03-20 05:58:10 <dissipate> robotarmy, the real problem is governments and their meddling. bitcoin is the solution.
 548 2011-03-20 05:58:27 <Kiba> robotarmy: so?
 549 2011-03-20 05:58:29 <robotarmy> man - this is like 1850 all over again
 550 2011-03-20 05:58:33 <Kiba> rich europeans performing useful work
 551 2011-03-20 05:58:36 <Kiba> who fucking care?
 552 2011-03-20 05:59:07 <forrestv> robotarmy, i'm not even sure what you meant by that..
 553 2011-03-20 05:59:30 <Kiba> so rich people making bitcoin work
 554 2011-03-20 05:59:33 <Kiba> why is that evil?
 555 2011-03-20 05:59:38 <robotarmy> forrestv: what do you think the people who started the industrial revolution said?
 556 2011-03-20 05:59:46 <devrandom> I think he's saying bitcoin is a bourgeois conspiracy
 557 2011-03-20 05:59:51 <Kiba> devrandom: yeah, so?
 558 2011-03-20 05:59:53 <Kiba> what if it is?
 559 2011-03-20 06:00:01 <forrestv> ah, that's what i kinda assumed :/
 560 2011-03-20 06:00:09 <devrandom> I'm just translating :)
 561 2011-03-20 06:00:12 <dissipate> devrandom, i can see how a statist would think that.
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 563 2011-03-20 06:00:27 <ArtForz> cool, I wasnt part of a decent conspiracy before!
 564 2011-03-20 06:00:27 <chaord> the coolest thing about bitcoin is that no one is being forced to participate
 565 2011-03-20 06:00:30 <robotarmy> i'm not saying anything about a conspiracy
 566 2011-03-20 06:00:42 <Kiba> robotarmy: why should we care?
 567 2011-03-20 06:00:43 <dissipate> devrandom, he's probably a socialist statist who can't stand the thought of people dodging the state and taxes
 568 2011-03-20 06:00:49 <Kiba> so rich dudes use bitcoin
 569 2011-03-20 06:00:51 <Kiba> wow
 570 2011-03-20 06:00:55 <Kiba> that's so revelationary
 571 2011-03-20 06:01:21 <robotarmy> Every time you search on google you are boiling water for 6 cups of tea.
 572 2011-03-20 06:01:21 <dissipate> devrandom, btw, where is devurandom? seen him around? :)
 573 2011-03-20 06:01:24 <Kiba> guess what who get the newfanged technologies? probably the western world and maybe some Asian countries
 574 2011-03-20 06:01:45 <Kiba> so what?
 575 2011-03-20 06:01:47 <robotarmy> And now we have another group of people running cpu cycle and consuming power to generate a currency
 576 2011-03-20 06:01:51 <ArtForz> so... conserve energy, save the enviroment and go live in a cave.
 577 2011-03-20 06:01:56 <robotarmy> how is that equal?
 578 2011-03-20 06:02:00 <Kiba> robotarmy: what's the issue here?
 579 2011-03-20 06:02:07 <Kiba> robotarmy: why do you assume we care about equality?
 580 2011-03-20 06:02:27 <dissipate> robotarmy, the miners own their computers and they pay their own electric bills. get over it.
 581 2011-03-20 06:02:31 <Kiba> juding that you're on IRC
 582 2011-03-20 06:02:34 <devrandom> dissipate - his public keys were compromised since he didn't have a good source for randomness, so he's computer is offline for now ;)
 583 2011-03-20 06:02:39 <Kiba> you're just another rich faggot who crys about inequality
 584 2011-03-20 06:02:49 <devrandom> s/he's/his/
 585 2011-03-20 06:02:56 <Kiba> go live in a third world country if you feel so guilty about it
 586 2011-03-20 06:02:59 <robotarmy> Kiba: why go through all the trouble to disrupt banks, and government if your just going to create another divisive system to replace a divisive system
 587 2011-03-20 06:03:12 <Kiba> robotarmy: why do you assume we think the same thing as you?
 588 2011-03-20 06:03:18 <dissipate> devrandom, well it's interesting that you are here since it takes you so long to gather up enough entropy to generate the 'random' bits to generate those keys!
 589 2011-03-20 06:03:24 <Kiba> you think it's divisive
 590 2011-03-20 06:03:26 <Kiba> we don't
 591 2011-03-20 06:03:27 <robotarmy> Kiba : i don't assume that - why do you assume i feel guilty
 592 2011-03-20 06:03:47 <devrandom> there's enough radiation these days to generate pretty good entropy
 593 2011-03-20 06:03:54 <robotarmy> So this currency reaches its' maxium capactiy - who has it?
 594 2011-03-20 06:03:59 <dissipate> robotarmy, we don't like banks, so we are trying to build a system so people don't need banks
 595 2011-03-20 06:04:11 <Kiba> dissipate: bad banks
 596 2011-03-20 06:04:14 <Kiba> good banks are ok
 597 2011-03-20 06:04:18 <dissipate> robotarmy, apparently not you
 598 2011-03-20 06:04:36 <Kiba> robotarmy: so, what's the problem here?
 599 2011-03-20 06:04:40 <dissipate> Kiba, no such thing in book :P
 600 2011-03-20 06:04:49 <Kiba> dissipate: mybitcoin
 601 2011-03-20 06:05:21 <dissipate> Kiba, that one runs the risk of gov shutdown and operator dishonesty, unfortunately
 602 2011-03-20 06:05:37 <dissipate> Kiba, but in any event, i'm referring to state sanctioned banks
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 604 2011-03-20 06:06:14 <robotarmy> After this currency is generated - will there be any other need to excercize cpu?
 605 2011-03-20 06:06:15 Bosma has joined
 606 2011-03-20 06:06:22 <robotarmy> or is it for a fixed amout of time?
 607 2011-03-20 06:06:28 <Kiba> robotarmy: yes, to process transaction
 608 2011-03-20 06:06:37 <forrestv> robotarmy, blocks need to be continued to be generated
 609 2011-03-20 06:06:40 <Kiba> the main incentive after currency generation is transaction fees
 610 2011-03-20 06:07:08 <robotarmy> will mining become technically impossible after a certain date?
 611 2011-03-20 06:07:14 <forrestv> no
 612 2011-03-20 06:07:21 <devrandom> robotarmy - it's necessary to use a limited resource to prevent hijack of the system.  you just need to use more than an adversary could muster
 613 2011-03-20 06:07:22 <ArtForz> read the fine paper
 614 2011-03-20 06:07:22 <forrestv> you just won't get any coins
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 616 2011-03-20 06:08:01 <dissipate> forrestv, you can get coins, just no new ones will be generated
 617 2011-03-20 06:08:14 <forrestv> well, i meant from mining
 618 2011-03-20 06:08:25 <ArtForz> mining is what powers the distributed timestamping system, for now issuing of coins to miners is the main incentive to do that, leater on it will be transaction fees
 619 2011-03-20 06:08:46 <devrandom> btw, have there been any estimates on the compute resources needed in the long term?
 620 2011-03-20 06:08:49 <ArtForz> yes
 621 2011-03-20 06:09:08 <dissipate> ArtForz, what if miners get filthy rich from the transaction fees and hoard all the bitcoins? ZOMG!!
 622 2011-03-20 06:09:12 <forrestv> are transaction fees generated, or are they subtracted from the transaction?
 623 2011-03-20 06:09:19 <devrandom> was it in the paper?  I ready it about a month ago, I don't remember an estimate
 624 2011-03-20 06:09:24 <ArtForz> "less than the value of minted coins + transaction fees"
 625 2011-03-20 06:10:05 <ArtForz> unless people start mining at a loss to protect their held bitcoins
 626 2011-03-20 06:10:13 <devrandom> transaction fees are a free variable
 627 2011-03-20 06:10:20 <devrandom> so what would tend to?
 628 2011-03-20 06:10:27 <devrandom> what would they tend to?
 629 2011-03-20 06:10:28 <robotarmy> I'm all for creating a new currency - but not if it means creating a currency that takes an already fracked up ecosystem and makes it worse.
 630 2011-03-20 06:10:44 <Kiba> making it worse? blame coal plants
 631 2011-03-20 06:10:58 <dissipate> robotarmy, so far you haven't mentioned a single thing about bitcoin that would make anything worse
 632 2011-03-20 06:11:14 <Kiba> dissipate: and we pay for electricity too
 633 2011-03-20 06:11:23 <Kiba> but we don't get to control what kind of power plants people run
 634 2011-03-20 06:11:45 <ArtForz> not to mention the whole thing currently "wastes" about 211kW
 635 2011-03-20 06:12:16 <ArtForz> thats pretty much nothing overall
 636 2011-03-20 06:12:29 <robotarmy> you 'pay' for electricity - but do you actually pay in proportion to the harm that is caused to the eco-system - I can answer that - no - because elecricity companies don't care about that - they care about profit
 637 2011-03-20 06:12:30 <devrandom> $20 / hour
 638 2011-03-20 06:12:48 <dissipate> robotarmy, not our problem. write your congreaseman
 639 2011-03-20 06:12:50 <ArtForz> robotarmy: boo. fucking. hoo.
 640 2011-03-20 06:12:50 <gasteve> the energy used to propagate the block chain and ensure a sound money is well worth it IMO
 641 2011-03-20 06:12:56 <Kiba> go nuclear
 642 2011-03-20 06:12:56 <Kiba> there
 643 2011-03-20 06:12:59 <Kiba> all your problem is solved
 644 2011-03-20 06:13:02 <Kiba> less radiation
 645 2011-03-20 06:13:07 <Kiba> unbelivably safe
 646 2011-03-20 06:13:10 <forrestv> fukushima!!
 647 2011-03-20 06:13:13 <ArtForz> hehehe
 648 2011-03-20 06:13:14 <robotarmy> Kiba: Are you ignorant or are you joking?
 649 2011-03-20 06:13:28 <ArtForz> what? nuclear is perfectly safe!
 650 2011-03-20 06:13:43 <gasteve> there are far more pointless and wasteful uses of energy (like this debate for instance...lol)
 651 2011-03-20 06:13:43 <Kiba> robotarmy: statistically, nuclear power plants are safer and emitt less radiation than coal plants
 652 2011-03-20 06:14:00 <ArtForz> and if they don't, you get wildlife reserves ;)
 653 2011-03-20 06:14:02 <robotarmy> Kiba: and what do they do with the byproduct of the nuclear plant?
 654 2011-03-20 06:14:02 <dissipate> robotarmy, do you even understand that one purpose of bitcoin is to undermine the government institutions that allow companies to pollute?
 655 2011-03-20 06:14:21 <Kiba> the government also happens to be the biggest pollutor
 656 2011-03-20 06:14:26 <devrandom> the worst energy related disaster was a cascading dam failure in china in the 60s
 657 2011-03-20 06:14:33 <devrandom> tens of thousands dead
 658 2011-03-20 06:14:42 <ArtForz> ban hydro!
 659 2011-03-20 06:14:57 <Kiba> I don't believe that fukushima kill that many yet
 660 2011-03-20 06:15:16 <ArtForz> I think it's still well below 10...
 661 2011-03-20 06:15:26 <robotarmy> I have this picture in my head of a bunch of teenage and twenty somethings who hang out in the basement and in north america and other eurocentric communities and really have no idea of what is going on in the world.
 662 2011-03-20 06:15:35 <robotarmy> someone please correct me.
 663 2011-03-20 06:15:46 <gasteve> ban hydro...yes...and if you really analyze the situation, the root cause was gravity...so we better ban that too...or maybe just tax it to fund the new anti-gravity economy
 664 2011-03-20 06:15:46 <Kiba> robotarmy: maybe you are one too
 665 2011-03-20 06:15:49 <Kiba> after all you're on IRC
 666 2011-03-20 06:15:51 <forrestv> i'm not in a basement.
 667 2011-03-20 06:16:08 <Kiba> robotarmy: come on, use you reasoning
 668 2011-03-20 06:16:18 <ArtForz> I'm a 30-something, on 2nd floor :P
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 670 2011-03-20 06:16:50 <gasteve> 30-something (barely) ...here...2nd floor also
 671 2011-03-20 06:16:56 <ArtForz> and my miners are oil-powered
 672 2011-03-20 06:17:02 <robotarmy> Kiba ; i never said i was any different - i'm just coming in here to say -- great   - so you are making a new currency - well this is the era that we don't keep fucking up our planet - so who is willing  to account for that in this project ??
 673 2011-03-20 06:17:03 <ArtForz> well, at least in winter ;)
 674 2011-03-20 06:17:29 <Kiba> robotarmy: not our problem
 675 2011-03-20 06:17:41 <ArtForz> in summer it's "whatever the power co can get cheapest"... so mainly nuclear
 676 2011-03-20 06:17:43 <devrandom> 1975 actually... https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Banqiao_Dam
 677 2011-03-20 06:17:44 <gasteve> robotarmy: relax...the planet will be here long after we're gone
 678 2011-03-20 06:18:10 <Kiba> when we're gone, evolution will continue and life will continue as usual
 679 2011-03-20 06:18:14 <ArtForz> yup
 680 2011-03-20 06:18:49 <robotarmy> ?
 681 2011-03-20 06:19:02 <robotarmy> Is your thinking really so self-destructive?
 682 2011-03-20 06:19:23 <ArtForz> no, thats a standard response to "we're destroying the planet"
 683 2011-03-20 06:20:05 <Kiba> if you want to solve problems
 684 2011-03-20 06:20:07 <Kiba> go nuclear
 685 2011-03-20 06:20:13 <Kiba> and make third world countries rich
 686 2011-03-20 06:20:18 <Kiba> so we don't have to worry about global warming
 687 2011-03-20 06:20:33 <Kiba> we can cope with anything if we're rich enough
 688 2011-03-20 06:21:23 <Kiba> not enough water? no problem. We have the money to build water pipeline
 689 2011-03-20 06:21:33 <Kiba> enough money to harvest fresh water from the ocean
 690 2011-03-20 06:21:34 <Kiba> etc
 691 2011-03-20 06:22:26 <robotarmy> so amazingly naive - it's not your fault that you were brought up in a society that conditioned you to believe that money is a solution to problems.
 692 2011-03-20 06:22:41 <ArtForz> yada yada, weak troll is weak
 693 2011-03-20 06:23:08 <Kiba> why is it so naive?
 694 2011-03-20 06:23:21 <Kiba> why would harvesting fresh water from the ocean wouldn't work?
 695 2011-03-20 06:23:24 <gasteve> unlocking the wealth of the people is key...and as for energy...it's essentially unlimited
 696 2011-03-20 06:23:29 <Kiba> you have a nuclear plant that provide all the power you need
 697 2011-03-20 06:23:43 <Kiba> gasteve: energy is the matter of gathering the sun or going nuclear
 698 2011-03-20 06:23:53 <genjix> robotarmy: hey interesting things you've been saying. i do agree with you, but try to think of this as a technology to help free software
 699 2011-03-20 06:23:54 <gasteve> exactly
 700 2011-03-20 06:24:14 <genjix> robotarmy: think of it as one step towards not being reliant on central banking
 701 2011-03-20 06:24:33 <genjix> robotarmy: then whether you like money or not :) you are now free to decide on your own society
 702 2011-03-20 06:24:37 <genjix> baby steps
 703 2011-03-20 06:24:45 <Kiba> robotarmy: maybe western society teach you to be doom and gloom about everything
 704 2011-03-20 06:24:53 <robotarmy> genjix: i'm all for FOSS - and i'm for moving away from banks - but I think that the project needs to be awake to the environment.
 705 2011-03-20 06:25:01 <gasteve> central banking is a mechanism used to enslave people...you can't really have freedom and prosperity until you free the money
 706 2011-03-20 06:25:19 <robotarmy> freedom and prosperity are about more than money
 707 2011-03-20 06:25:27 <genjix> robotarmy: people need to be awake to the environment, true. but i cannot force people
 708 2011-03-20 06:25:33 <robotarmy> genjix: werd
 709 2011-03-20 06:25:35 <gasteve> (and I think people will be shocked at just how much prosperity will be unleashed when our money is freed)
 710 2011-03-20 06:25:41 <genjix> only do my part to help :)
 711 2011-03-20 06:25:56 <chaord> robotarmy: if every single person trusted every single other person, we would have no need for money, since everyone's word would be "as good as gold"....however since it's obviously not possible for 100% world-wide trust, money is a nice tool to have to offset that risk
 712 2011-03-20 06:25:58 <ArtForz> robotarmy: find a way to do distributed timestamping without relying on a computational proof-of-work function, write a paper, create btc2
 713 2011-03-20 06:26:02 <genjix> robotarmy: yep but bitcoin isn't *just* money. there's so much more to it.
 714 2011-03-20 06:26:18 <Kiba> chaord: you still need standard unit of accounting and stuff
 715 2011-03-20 06:26:36 <Kiba> even if you trust each other, you can still be wrong/slightly off/etc
 716 2011-03-20 06:26:38 <genjix> oh is robotarmy saying that the proof of work is environmentally unfriendly?
 717 2011-03-20 06:26:40 <chaord> Kiba: yep, accounting is all we'd need if everyone trusted each other ;)
 718 2011-03-20 06:26:44 <ArtForz> genjix: I guess so
 719 2011-03-20 06:26:48 <genjix> hardly.
 720 2011-03-20 06:27:14 <Kiba> the proof of work migrates toward efficent utilization of electricity
 721 2011-03-20 06:27:16 <gasteve> chaord: what do you think bitcoin is?  you could think of it like accounting
 722 2011-03-20 06:27:25 <Kiba> or parasital utialization of electricity
 723 2011-03-20 06:27:25 <genjix> much more friendly that having 15 employees drive to a bank everyday :p
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 725 2011-03-20 06:27:43 <robotarmy> Has anyone considered that there are permaculture groups and human organizations thare are building alternative currancies based on food and fair share - and i want to ask you - in your noble pursuit to decentralize currency - how is fair share a part of this, how is caring for people a part of this, and how is caring for the earth a part of this - because if it isn't part of this mind that creates this new wor
 726 2011-03-20 06:27:43 <robotarmy> ld - then you are creating nothing more that an identical image in your own form.
 727 2011-03-20 06:27:58 <ArtForz> it isnt
 728 2011-03-20 06:27:58 <Kiba> robotarmy: what's fairness?
 729 2011-03-20 06:28:04 <chaord> gasteve: yep, it is pretty similar in that it keeps a transaction log...i'm mostly just playing devils advocate though with robotarmy....i obviously think we need both money and accounting ;)
 730 2011-03-20 06:28:11 <gasteve> hehe...I'm also stunned by how many bank branches there are...I haven't set foot in a bank in years...so wasteful
 731 2011-03-20 06:28:18 <ArtForz> communism on a large scale doesn't work
 732 2011-03-20 06:28:42 <gasteve> robotarmy: you're hopeless
 733 2011-03-20 06:28:48 <genjix> robotarmy: even anarchist squatters are big on bitcoin
 734 2011-03-20 06:28:49 <gasteve> like a child really
 735 2011-03-20 06:29:07 <Kiba> gasteve: I don't know. Even adults can be childish
 736 2011-03-20 06:29:41 <gasteve> kiba: true...I was speaking only of robotarmy
 737 2011-03-20 06:29:46 <Kiba> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4379.msg68328#msg68328
 738 2011-03-20 06:29:47 <Kiba> like this
 739 2011-03-20 06:29:57 <genjix> robotarmy: the internet is the best weapon against the government. by having a currency like bitcoin, it's the first step towards non-participation in their destructive world.
 740 2011-03-20 06:30:21 <Kiba> FatherMcGruder compared me to a Gadhafi supporter after I crush his arguments
 741 2011-03-20 06:30:56 <genjix> robotarmy: it's the corporations & banks & consumerism that are destructive, not small businesses and trade.
 742 2011-03-20 06:31:05 <Kiba> small business and big business
 743 2011-03-20 06:31:07 <Kiba> who care?
 744 2011-03-20 06:31:09 <Kiba> they're just size
 745 2011-03-20 06:31:15 <Kiba> what's matter is the actions they take
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 747 2011-03-20 06:31:32 <ArtForz> well, usually "big business" nowadays == facism
 748 2011-03-20 06:32:06 <genjix> dumbass economics that says spending your money on worthless crap is the way to live
 749 2011-03-20 06:32:12 <ArtForz> why compete in a free market when you can buy a law or two?
 750 2011-03-20 06:32:14 <Kiba> ArtForz: it's because they're all pussies before governments
 751 2011-03-20 06:32:24 <gasteve> large corporations and governments collude to enslave and oppress people
 752 2011-03-20 06:32:43 <Kiba> gasteve: it's more like perverse incentive
 753 2011-03-20 06:32:44 <Kiba> if you don't lobby
 754 2011-03-20 06:32:47 <Kiba> some asshole will
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 756 2011-03-20 06:32:54 <Kiba> and then YOU'RE DEAD
 757 2011-03-20 06:32:59 <Kiba> it's the survival of the worst
 758 2011-03-20 06:33:14 <gasteve> yeah....to an extend even the corporations and governments are a trapped in the system
 759 2011-03-20 06:33:19 <gasteve> *extent
 760 2011-03-20 06:33:21 <jgarzik> darn those groups of men.
 761 2011-03-20 06:33:22 <jgarzik> how dare they assemble, and form a bureaucracy.
 762 2011-03-20 06:33:31 <Kiba> governments listen to voters
 763 2011-03-20 06:33:41 <gasteve> bah
 764 2011-03-20 06:33:53 <Kiba> governments do what voters like
 765 2011-03-20 06:33:58 <gasteve> governments use and tolerate voters
 766 2011-03-20 06:34:10 <robotarmy> I am hear to say that if we want to design a better currency and a better frontier - we are not going to create a sustainable culture unless we hold high ethical underpinnings that promote people care, fair share and earth care. - if we do not do this - then who is the world we are creating for? simply our limited self?
 767 2011-03-20 06:34:14 <Kiba> so bad things happen, because voters are complete idiot
 768 2011-03-20 06:34:29 <Kiba> because there's no incentive to not be a complete idiot
 769 2011-03-20 06:34:34 <jgarzik> all voting is faith-based.  it is impossible to be 100% informed.
 770 2011-03-20 06:34:37 <gasteve> robotarmy: I nominate you to decide what is fair
 771 2011-03-20 06:34:43 <ArtForz> robotarmy: communism doesn't work, go hug a tree.
 772 2011-03-20 06:34:51 <robotarmy> gasteve: iam not here to decide what is fair
 773 2011-03-20 06:34:52 <genjix> robotarmy: but who chooses these values? even if i agree on them then we cannot guarantee they won't later change.
 774 2011-03-20 06:35:04 <gasteve> robotarmy: you just said so
 775 2011-03-20 06:35:05 <genjix> just like science
 776 2011-03-20 06:35:12 <Kiba> robotarmy: what's ethical to you is not what ethical to us
 777 2011-03-20 06:35:18 <Kiba> we're a bunch of greedy miners and businessmen
 778 2011-03-20 06:35:20 <Kiba> we like money
 779 2011-03-20 06:35:23 <robotarmy> Kiba: you are thinking of  morality
 780 2011-03-20 06:35:29 <jgarzik> orality
 781 2011-03-20 06:35:31 <robotarmy> Ethics are about caring for our species
 782 2011-03-20 06:35:32 <Kiba> robotarmy: yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever
 783 2011-03-20 06:35:36 <robotarmy> for our habitat
 784 2011-03-20 06:35:42 <Kiba> robotarmy: that's a bunch of bollocks
 785 2011-03-20 06:35:46 <robotarmy> and for the future of our children
 786 2011-03-20 06:35:48 <Kiba> they concerns about what's right and wrong
 787 2011-03-20 06:35:53 <genjix> robotarmy: and we can.
 788 2011-03-20 06:35:57 <ArtForz> omg, think of the children!!!
 789 2011-03-20 06:35:57 <robotarmy> Kiba : no that is morality
 790 2011-03-20 06:36:04 * jgarzik is raising his child to be a capitalist pig.
 791 2011-03-20 06:36:12 <ArtForz> jgarzik: same here
 792 2011-03-20 06:36:17 <Kiba> let be capitalistic pig!
 793 2011-03-20 06:36:25 * gasteve too
 794 2011-03-20 06:36:48 * gasteve is raising 2 capitalist pigs
 795 2011-03-20 06:37:26 <robotarmy> If you want to create a better world then it will take the participants to be awake to asking the questions about what is fair and how to be fair to all people, how to care for each other human in that process and, how to care for our planet as the place that gives us life.
 796 2011-03-20 06:37:41 <Kiba> robotarmy: who are you to dictate what's a better world?
 797 2011-03-20 06:37:43 <robotarmy> It's not simply - get rid of the government or banks
 798 2011-03-20 06:37:44 <genjix> i gave up caring either way a long time ago... i just want to live in a techno science oriented society that lets me be free to act and travel.
 799 2011-03-20 06:37:45 <Kiba> what's fairness?
 800 2011-03-20 06:37:49 <jgarzik> genjix: it would be interesting to convert Ghash/sec to teraFLOPS
 801 2011-03-20 06:37:53 <jgarzik> (teraIOPS?)
 802 2011-03-20 06:37:58 <robotarmy> Kiba : I am glad that you are asking what is fairness - don't stop
 803 2011-03-20 06:38:01 <ArtForz> jgarzik: pretty easy
 804 2011-03-20 06:38:10 <Kiba> robotarmy: the thing is, I don't give a damn about fairness
 805 2011-03-20 06:38:17 <Kiba> who get what? irrevalnt
 806 2011-03-20 06:38:33 <genjix> robotarmy: i dont understand. are you saying that get rid ov government/banks isn't a good first step?
 807 2011-03-20 06:38:40 <Kiba> there's only have-now and have-laters..and the rest are dead
 808 2011-03-20 06:38:41 <genjix> or that world revolution has to happen overnight?
 809 2011-03-20 06:38:52 <ArtForz> one Gh/s = about 4.2T INTOP/s on ati 5xxx, about 6.5T INTOP/s on x86
 810 2011-03-20 06:39:11 <ArtForz> on all recent archs, one INTOP = 2 FLOPs
 811 2011-03-20 06:39:38 <ArtForz> because everyone and his dog now counts one muladd as 2 FLOPs
 812 2011-03-20 06:40:06 * Kiba wonders if we could make dogs understand quantum mechanic
 813 2011-03-20 06:40:14 <ArtForz> so one Gh/s = about 13 TFLOPS
 814 2011-03-20 06:40:51 <gasteve>  a poor, destitute people won't give a damn about first world concerns like the environment...a free and wealthy people will naturally choose the better technology, including that which makes our air, water and food cleaner and better
 815 2011-03-20 06:41:03 <jgarzik> whee...  5837 TFLOPS
 816 2011-03-20 06:41:10 <jgarzik> genjix: ^^
 817 2011-03-20 06:41:39 <gasteve> (Nissan Leafs aren't cheap after all)
 818 2011-03-20 06:41:39 <ArtForz> yup, around there
 819 2011-03-20 06:41:45 <jgarzik> 5.8 petaFLOPS
 820 2011-03-20 06:42:00 <robotarmy> I am saying - that if a person walks into an empty lot to build a better building - but builds it without a design in mind - simply what they do not want to include - they are not going to create a new great building - but if a group of people say - we are going to leave out the banks and the governments and build a greater better currency and we are going to care about people in the process and we are going to
 821 2011-03-20 06:42:01 <robotarmy>  include the environment in the process and we are going to ask about what is fair and how to making things fair for sharing , for the earth and for caring about people - then we have a real revolution and a vision
 822 2011-03-20 06:42:12 <ArtForz> already a bit faster than tianhe-1a ;)
 823 2011-03-20 06:42:16 <robotarmy> not simply - get rid of the government - not simply a reductionist movement .
 824 2011-03-20 06:42:36 <robotarmy> we have re-creation and a newer - more permanent culture
 825 2011-03-20 06:42:37 <jgarzik> "IBM's Mira supercomputer does ten petaflops with ease"
 826 2011-03-20 06:42:55 <Kiba> yeah yeah yeah, whatever
 827 2011-03-20 06:42:59 <ArtForz> F@H ... about 10 PFLOPs
 828 2011-03-20 06:43:00 <genjix> ok thanks
 829 2011-03-20 06:43:12 <Kiba> how much does the bitcoin network generate?
 830 2011-03-20 06:43:23 <gasteve> robotarmy: you still sound like a fascist to me
 831 2011-03-20 06:43:47 <robotarmy> I am saying that it is great to be secure and open and move away from the banks and the governments but if we do not do this with both our heart and our mind we are going to end up creating simply the other side of the coin and not mint something fresh and new.
 832 2011-03-20 06:43:52 <gasteve> so much of what you say depends on someone (maybe not you) dictating what is good and what is fair
 833 2011-03-20 06:44:01 <ArtForz> or like a "I know what is best for everyone" wannabe communist leader
 834 2011-03-20 06:44:14 <robotarmy> gasteve: that is because you have never learned to think outside of black and white.
 835 2011-03-20 06:44:20 <gasteve> hah
 836 2011-03-20 06:44:22 <Kiba> wtf?
 837 2011-03-20 06:44:25 <genjix> so what is the mining power of btc?
 838 2011-03-20 06:44:29 <Kiba> it's called having perspective
 839 2011-03-20 06:44:38 <genjix> 5837 petaflops?
 840 2011-03-20 06:44:39 <robotarmy> gasteve: I am telling you over and over again that this has nothing to do with me staying what is fair
 841 2011-03-20 06:44:44 <jgarzik> Plato's philosopher-king: the rule of the wise, benevolent dictator.
 842 2011-03-20 06:44:46 <ArtForz> genjix: somewhere around there, yea
 843 2011-03-20 06:44:49 <jgarzik> genjix: 5.8 petaflops
 844 2011-03-20 06:44:51 <genjix> wow F@H does only 10?
 845 2011-03-20 06:44:53 <genjix> amazing
 846 2011-03-20 06:44:53 <gasteve> robotarmy: maybe not you...but someone
 847 2011-03-20 06:44:58 <robotarmy> it has to do with building - this community project and including in it
 848 2011-03-20 06:45:24 <JFK911> apparently im having bad luck with diablo miner on wind0ze
 849 2011-03-20 06:45:27 <jgarzik> ArtForz: I thought it was 5837 teraflops / 5.8 petaflops?
 850 2011-03-20 06:45:29 <Kiba> robotarmy: we can create communities on our own just fine and we have no problem with incorporating capitalistic urges with altrustic urges
 851 2011-03-20 06:45:32 <genjix> robotarmy: the source code is available. modify it however you want? :)
 852 2011-03-20 06:45:41 <ArtForz> jgarzik: huh?
 853 2011-03-20 06:45:47 <robotarmy> No it is you and kiba and ArtForz and genjix that if you hold in your mind and heart the question of fair share and people care and earth care and this project builds on that concisousness then it will become something new
 854 2011-03-20 06:45:47 <Kiba> hmm
 855 2011-03-20 06:46:00 <Kiba> wtf is fair share and why should I care?
 856 2011-03-20 06:46:08 <robotarmy> Kiba:  that is your coping mechanism
 857 2011-03-20 06:46:10 <ArtForz> hey, that rhymes...
 858 2011-03-20 06:46:11 <Kiba> all this is gibberish nonsense unless you explain to us
 859 2011-03-20 06:46:27 <ArtForz> jgarzik: yes
 860 2011-03-20 06:46:34 <robotarmy> You are so afraid of the real world that your way of strategy is not to care so you don't have to admit your pain
 861 2011-03-20 06:46:42 <Kiba> rofl
 862 2011-03-20 06:46:46 <Kiba> freud is right
 863 2011-03-20 06:46:46 <genjix> wtf shut up.
 864 2011-03-20 06:46:47 <gasteve> robotarmy: describe a system that actually has a chance of working and people might listen
 865 2011-03-20 06:46:49 <ArtForz> hahaha
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 867 2011-03-20 06:47:06 <genjix> derp herp
 868 2011-03-20 06:47:14 <Kiba> I guess
 869 2011-03-20 06:47:17 <Kiba> Freud was right
 870 2011-03-20 06:47:21 <genjix> i spent 5 years living all over the world in 3rd world countries
 871 2011-03-20 06:47:25 <Validus> that was one of the funniest troll comments i have seen anywhere
 872 2011-03-20 06:47:26 <Kiba> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FreudWasRight
 873 2011-03-20 06:47:31 <genjix> sometimes out of a backpack
 874 2011-03-20 06:47:59 <robotarmy> gasteve: I am telling you - that if you ask in you life  and in your participation - is this fair share, is this earth care and is this people care - then the system will become -but if you simply do reductivist thinking - remove the bank - remove governement - give me money - this wont be enough.
 875 2011-03-20 06:48:02 <genjix> on communes, with anarchists, with rich people, with travellers, coders, .etc
 876 2011-03-20 06:48:06 <genjix> been with all sorts
 877 2011-03-20 06:48:27 <robotarmy> genjix:  and that is why you understand closer than kiba what i am saying
 878 2011-03-20 06:48:28 <genjix> pfft
 879 2011-03-20 06:48:41 <genjix> yeah but "afraid of the real world"
 880 2011-03-20 06:48:59 <gasteve> robotarmy: bitcoin is a about a new, democratic monetary system, nothing more, nothing less
 881 2011-03-20 06:49:03 <Validus> hes promoting communism. you get paid a set amount for whatever
 882 2011-03-20 06:49:08 <genjix> you need to destroy to recreate
 883 2011-03-20 06:49:12 <Validus> if your a dr, a trash man, doesnt matter
 884 2011-03-20 06:49:15 <robotarmy> genjix: nihlist
 885 2011-03-20 06:49:19 <genjix> smash the state, rebuild it.
 886 2011-03-20 06:49:25 <gasteve> you seem to want to make it into something else altogether
 887 2011-03-20 06:49:27 <robotarmy> Foolish
 888 2011-03-20 06:49:30 <robotarmy> waste
 889 2011-03-20 06:49:33 <Validus> communism looks great on paper. just doesnt work
 890 2011-03-20 06:49:37 <genjix> gentle reform?
 891 2011-03-20 06:49:42 <robotarmy> I am saying that the future is not real
 892 2011-03-20 06:49:42 <Kiba> Validus: no, it was just bad theory
 893 2011-03-20 06:49:52 <Kiba> if it doesn't work in practice, it sucks on paper
 894 2011-03-20 06:50:06 <Validus> fair share everything? sounds just like it lol
 895 2011-03-20 06:50:12 <gasteve> in theory, theory and practice are equivalent
 896 2011-03-20 06:50:19 <Validus> why if i worked my ass off and got nice things i should care what a lazy ass person that sits on their ass has
 897 2011-03-20 06:50:23 <Validus> that is fair share
 898 2011-03-20 06:50:37 <genjix> in theory, theory and practice are equivalent in theory
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 900 2011-03-20 06:51:03 <genjix> Validus: that's a bit simplistic.
 901 2011-03-20 06:51:23 <robotarmy> the only reality is our present - and our present is conditioned by our past - and our past has communtist fascist, capitalist and everything and that is our thinking and our mind - and it is only the questions that we make real in our life that change the present and create the future and those questions are fair share, people care and earth care and they need to be part of the design for this revolution again
 902 2011-03-20 06:51:23 <robotarmy> st centralized currency - or you will all become what you are trying to destroy and re-create.
 903 2011-03-20 06:51:26 <Validus> its simple way to put it, espically dealing with this guys fair share
 904 2011-03-20 06:51:55 <genjix> some social net is nice to have. anybody can have downswings in life :)
 905 2011-03-20 06:52:35 <Validus> not saying tough shit if their on a downswing. but you have the choice to do things,
 906 2011-03-20 06:52:38 <genjix> robotarmy: so what do you propose for bitcoin 2? or are you saying any kind of distributed currency is bad?
 907 2011-03-20 06:53:07 <genjix> anyway this is getting a little boring, can't say i didn't try.
 908 2011-03-20 06:53:20 <Kiba> I wonder how robotarmy can create all these long paragraph so fast
 909 2011-03-20 06:53:32 <Validus> i type fast, but not that fast
 910 2011-03-20 06:53:36 <ArtForz> copypasta
 911 2011-03-20 06:53:40 <Kiba> Validus: he's probably trolling
 912 2011-03-20 06:53:44 <robotarmy> genjix: no i am not - i am saying that when we think about bitcoin and when we design this new system - if we are acting like we do - without caring for people - considering fair share, earth care and people care - then the project is failed
 913 2011-03-20 06:53:49 <robotarmy> Kiba: i am a coder.
 914 2011-03-20 06:53:51 <Validus> ya i could have told you it was cut/pastes earlier
 915 2011-03-20 06:54:03 <robotarmy> for 15+ years
 916 2011-03-20 06:54:06 <Validus> bullshit robotarmy i can type at an avg of 100 wpm just using pc regular
 917 2011-03-20 06:54:09 <gasteve> robotarmy: you're baked
 918 2011-03-20 06:54:13 <Validus> to type that much you pasted you'd need 250+
 919 2011-03-20 06:54:20 <genjix> look at this fail post http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4593.0
 920 2011-03-20 06:54:28 <genjix> copy/pasted for his payment
 921 2011-03-20 06:54:35 <gasteve> you keep repeating the same stuff, but you can't really articulate any specifics
 922 2011-03-20 06:54:49 <robotarmy> genjix: yes - you did try. and i appreciate it.
 923 2011-03-20 06:54:50 <Validus> gasteve: thats cause the article doesnt have anything he can paste
 924 2011-03-20 06:54:54 <Kiba> genjix: chinese students not doing much good?
 925 2011-03-20 06:55:43 <genjix> i just love science
 926 2011-03-20 06:55:51 <gasteve> so, can you define "fair share" for us?
 927 2011-03-20 06:55:54 <genjix> & code & art & travel
 928 2011-03-20 06:55:54 <gribble> Error: "code" is not a valid command.
 929 2011-03-20 06:56:01 <Kiba> I guess they're learning by trial and error how to run a free market company
 930 2011-03-20 06:56:01 <genjix> a bit or history maybe :p
 931 2011-03-20 06:56:18 <robotarmy> gasteve: here is something specific - the mining people have already realized that in certain parts of the world the electricity cost means that generating the currency is not profitable - and that is not fair share - it doesn't help people who are already in a heirarchy of mis-distributed currency to break free.
 932 2011-03-20 06:56:21 <genjix> politics/religion/philosophy though... what boring annoying subjects.
 933 2011-03-20 06:56:22 <robotarmy> and that is important.
 934 2011-03-20 06:56:32 <Kiba> philosophy is interesting
 935 2011-03-20 06:56:43 <Kiba> I get to poke at old philosophers' argument
 936 2011-03-20 06:56:52 <Kiba> Plato is just an ass
 937 2011-03-20 06:57:01 <genjix> erm you do realise that electricity is CHEAPER in poor countries?
 938 2011-03-20 06:57:02 <Kiba> Augustine believe in a bunch of nonsense
 939 2011-03-20 06:57:04 <gasteve> so, those people just buy the currency from those that can mine more economically....problem solved
 940 2011-03-20 06:57:05 <genjix> like way way way cheaper
 941 2011-03-20 06:57:09 <gasteve> next?
 942 2011-03-20 06:58:19 <Validus> http://www.share-international.org/archives/environmental/en_amfair.htm
 943 2011-03-20 06:59:40 <Kiba> genjix: sounds like third world countries and export bitcoin mining
 944 2011-03-20 06:59:48 <Kiba> err bitcoin transaction processing
 945 2011-03-20 06:59:50 <robotarmy> gasteve : In a farm that is carefully tended - to make sure that the lang gets richer and the soil improves and - this contributes to the wealth of the land - and if the people who are hungry are taken care of by this land  and the earth is taken care of properly with wisdom and the people who need care are tended to - this will generate a kind of weath that is not about money - that is about life.
 946 2011-03-20 06:59:56 <Kiba> can export*
 947 2011-03-20 07:00:08 <gasteve> anyway...I need to go to bed... robotarmy I'd rather die that to live you what I think is your system...so, would you be ok with killing me to create your utopia?  do you consider that fair?
 948 2011-03-20 07:00:20 <robotarmy> gasteve:  sight
 949 2011-03-20 07:00:34 <robotarmy> gasteve:  if you ever get a chance - go to a permaculture farm
 950 2011-03-20 07:00:41 <robotarmy> that will wake you from your dream.
 951 2011-03-20 07:01:10 <Validus> he reminds me of the guys on tv that were sitting in the rainforest and screaming for the trees since they couldnt cry out in pain
 952 2011-03-20 07:01:13 <genjix> and you can have sex with hippy chicks
 953 2011-03-20 07:01:50 <Validus> i bet he's on a mac
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 955 2011-03-20 07:02:14 <Validus> Notice- {from robotarmy} VERSION LimeChat for Mac 2.17
 956 2011-03-20 07:02:17 <Validus> LOL
 957 2011-03-20 07:03:04 <genjix> lawl
 958 2011-03-20 07:03:20 <gasteve> robotarmy: don't know how you got off that tangent (about permaculture farming)...and I'm not actually against any technology that is more efficient, sustainable, whatever...I just don't think your ideas about how to attain that are viable
 959 2011-03-20 07:03:36 <genjix> we established he's on a mac now
 960 2011-03-20 07:03:39 <genjix> hyprocrite
 961 2011-03-20 07:03:48 <Validus> lol
 962 2011-03-20 07:03:50 <Kiba> why he's a hypocrite?
 963 2011-03-20 07:04:06 <genjix> "the environment" >> uses a mac
 964 2011-03-20 07:04:09 <Validus> id say close to 80% of users get a mac for political reasons
 965 2011-03-20 07:04:14 <genjix> tard
 966 2011-03-20 07:04:16 <gasteve> hey...I'm on a Mac
 967 2011-03-20 07:04:16 <Validus> i learned that knocking doors for 8 years
 968 2011-03-20 07:04:27 <genjix> why?
 969 2011-03-20 07:04:29 <robotarmy> gasteve: you asked about fair share
 970 2011-03-20 07:04:31 <Validus> most have them for political statements
 971 2011-03-20 07:04:35 <genjix> i thought linux is more policital
 972 2011-03-20 07:04:38 <Validus> since its consdired left wing
 973 2011-03-20 07:04:48 <Validus> mac is more. just goto any college liberal town
 974 2011-03-20 07:04:50 <genjix> like i'm individual
 975 2011-03-20 07:05:04 <genjix> how is mac left wing? wtf
 976 2011-03-20 07:05:08 <genjix> mac is fascist OS
 977 2011-03-20 07:05:23 <Validus> from their creaters views, most mac users i have found/met/seen are all left wing
 978 2011-03-20 07:05:26 <Kiba> genjix: sound like sterotypical liberal shallowism
 979 2011-03-20 07:05:29 <Validus> ive asked random ppl in shops to
 980 2011-03-20 07:05:33 <robotarmy> sigh - now you establish my operating system and it means so much to you? - what about if i join with an irc client from plan9 os, or beos , or debian 6 , or suse, or windows - then who am i
 981 2011-03-20 07:05:37 <Validus> i said some and not all. and its my opinion
 982 2011-03-20 07:05:44 <Validus> but it goes with robotarmy atm lol
 983 2011-03-20 07:05:55 <Validus> macs do have their purposes
 984 2011-03-20 07:05:57 <Kiba> macs is style over substance
 985 2011-03-20 07:05:59 <gasteve> I like Mac's because of the Unix/BSD kernel and pretty face (I also have Linux and Windows machines though)
 986 2011-03-20 07:06:01 <genjix> yeah doorstops
 987 2011-03-20 07:06:07 <Validus> itd be better if they took security more seriously
 988 2011-03-20 07:06:11 <Kiba> linux is substance over style
 989 2011-03-20 07:06:14 <Validus> thats prob #1 complaint
 990 2011-03-20 07:06:30 <genjix> he wants to build an individual society free of coercion
 991 2011-03-20 07:06:40 <genjix> >> uses a laptop from Mac corporation
 992 2011-03-20 07:06:46 <robotarmy> well - just notice how your thinking works - i think you will learn something about how you respond to questions that do not have easy answers - you look for easy answers and make them up to return to comfort.
 993 2011-03-20 07:06:46 <Validus> he's kinda late. the world is ending in a year
 994 2011-03-20 07:06:47 <Validus> lol
 995 2011-03-20 07:07:02 <genjix> i bet you also wear a Che Guevara t shirt you bought from a company
 996 2011-03-20 07:07:17 <gasteve> robotarmy: you seem to have everyone figured out
 997 2011-03-20 07:07:21 <genjix> funny how he fought against capitalism, and then becomes one of their hottest products
 998 2011-03-20 07:07:33 <robotarmy> hahha
 999 2011-03-20 07:07:42 <Kiba> genjix: he looks cool
1000 2011-03-20 07:07:49 <genjix> robotarmy: do you own a che guevara t shirt?
1001 2011-03-20 07:07:54 <ArtForz> rofl
1002 2011-03-20 07:08:04 <Kiba> I own a che guevara t-shirt
1003 2011-03-20 07:08:22 <Kiba> but that's probably because my dad thought it look cool and brought it
1004 2011-03-20 07:08:24 <robotarmy> genjix: no - but i used to have one - my brother gave it to me for christmas - i wore it until a few year ago and left it with some friends
1005 2011-03-20 07:08:29 <Kiba> and he's like anti-communist
1006 2011-03-20 07:08:36 <ArtForz> I think I still got one, too...
1007 2011-03-20 07:08:48 <Validus> mine was a rage against the machine shirt
1008 2011-03-20 07:09:21 <gasteve> bed time
1009 2011-03-20 07:09:27 <gasteve> (I love rage btw)
1010 2011-03-20 07:10:04 <devrandom> I have a question about transaction scripting
1011 2011-03-20 07:10:11 <genjix> i guess the t shirt is out of fashion now anyway
1012 2011-03-20 07:10:12 <devrandom> anybody familiar with the code?
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1014 2011-03-20 07:10:25 <genjix> devrandom: there'sa scripting guide on wiki
1015 2011-03-20 07:10:29 <mmagic> just ask your question.
1016 2011-03-20 07:10:42 <devrandom> I'm looking at IsStandard
1017 2011-03-20 07:10:58 <devrandom> it's calling Solver()
1018 2011-03-20 07:11:18 <devrandom> which seems to constrain the transaction script to just two possible bytecode sequences
1019 2011-03-20 07:11:56 <devrandom> unless I'm reading the code wrong, it seems that it's not really possible to script transactions beyond those two sequences
1020 2011-03-20 07:12:41 <devrandom> script.cpp line 962
1021 2011-03-20 07:13:46 <devrandom> but I've seen Gavin talk about other script possibilities
1022 2011-03-20 07:14:13 <devrandom> so was he talking about changing the bitcoin code to allow more flexible scripting again?  or am I reading the code wrong?
1023 2011-03-20 07:15:56 <devrandom> in commit a206a23980c gavin says:   IsStandard() check for CScripts: only relay/include in blocks CScripts we can understand.
1024 2011-03-20 07:16:15 <mmagic> there's another Solver @:1022.. do you have a callgraph?
1025 2011-03-20 07:16:49 <devrandom> IsStandard is calling the two argument one at 962
1026 2011-03-20 07:17:04 <mmagic> never mind, i just found main.cpp:     // Rather not work on nonstandard transactions
1027 2011-03-20 07:17:04 <mmagic>     if (!IsStandard())
1028 2011-03-20 07:17:04 <mmagic>         return error("AcceptToMemoryPool() : nonstandard transaction type");
1029 2011-03-20 07:17:41 <mmagic> based on this, i would say you appear to be correct.
1030 2011-03-20 07:18:17 <devrandom> hm... that's too bad... means that you can't do escrow or other multi-party validated transactions anymore
1031 2011-03-20 07:18:38 <genjix> wtf
1032 2011-03-20 07:18:48 <genjix> gavin paid $50 for 10,000 BTC!
1033 2011-03-20 07:18:52 <genjix> lol
1034 2011-03-20 07:19:02 <mmagic> fork, re-enable. i'll use the fork.
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1036 2011-03-20 07:19:37 <Diablo-D3> heh
1037 2011-03-20 07:19:46 <Diablo-D3> gavin should at least donate some of it to other devs
1038 2011-03-20 07:19:59 <devrandom> mmagic - we'd need at least ArtForz to join us :)
1039 2011-03-20 07:20:04 <genjix> he says he spent them all.
1040 2011-03-20 07:20:06 <mmagic> / Allow replacing with a newer version of the same transaction   <-- this is also disabled.
1041 2011-03-20 07:20:22 <mmagic> he got in first. he owes nobody
1042 2011-03-20 07:20:33 <genjix> same as me really :p i had ~4k which i sold for ~$500
1043 2011-03-20 07:21:33 <Diablo-D3> meh
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1045 2011-03-20 07:21:42 <Diablo-D3> I need to work harder on my pool software
1046 2011-03-20 07:21:54 <mmagic> devrandom: i think there'd be a pile of people who, when presented with specific arguments for/against, would go with more features. all you have to do is present a use-case and create a feature which uses it.
1047 2011-03-20 07:22:10 <devrandom> okay, will do
1048 2011-03-20 07:22:21 <devrandom> I'll post something
1049 2011-03-20 07:22:45 <devrandom> the basic idea is that an escrow agent could just be an additional public key on the coin
1050 2011-03-20 07:22:56 <mmagic> cool!
1051 2011-03-20 07:23:08 <devrandom> so the coin can only be spent if both the originator and the escrow agent agree
1052 2011-03-20 07:23:18 <mmagic> man, i wish more people used perforce. :(
1053 2011-03-20 07:23:18 <devrandom> so the escrow agent can only block, but not steal the money
1054 2011-03-20 07:23:32 <devrandom> which reduces the trust you need to have in the escrow agent
1055 2011-03-20 07:23:35 <nanotube> iirc there was a post from satoshi about using the script for escrow-type stuff.
1056 2011-03-20 07:23:41 <nanotube> on the forums somewhere
1057 2011-03-20 07:23:51 <devrandom> it also makes it possible to have instant transactions
1058 2011-03-20 07:24:18 <mmagic> devrandom: so this is an additional pubkey on the generation block? or do you mean the generator spends it into two pubkeys?
1059 2011-03-20 07:24:28 <mmagic> .. which then have to both agree to further spend the cash?
1060 2011-03-20 07:24:50 <devrandom> not on generation... on any coin
1061 2011-03-20 07:25:01 <devrandom> so lets say I have a coin I want to put in escrow
1062 2011-03-20 07:25:03 <mmagic> in that case, would it be possible for  a naughty/careless escrow to make coins unspendable.
1063 2011-03-20 07:25:15 <mmagic> ^.^?^
1064 2011-03-20 07:25:36 <devrandom> yes, that's possible
1065 2011-03-20 07:25:54 <devrandom> but then you can have multiple escrow agents with an "or" function between them
1066 2011-03-20 07:26:52 <genjix> i just had a thought everybody:
1067 2011-03-20 07:26:56 <mmagic> i suppose that's a necessary thing for the eventual receiver to trust the system.
1068 2011-03-20 07:27:00 <genjix> won't bitcoin decrease petty crime?
1069 2011-03-20 07:27:24 <genjix> imagine if people paid for things using password protected smartphones and didn't carry cash.
1070 2011-03-20 07:27:50 <genjix> would be much harder to nab 10 bux and run
1071 2011-03-20 07:28:05 <mmagic> can the eventual receiver be encoded in the block as part of the tx?
1072 2011-03-20 07:28:27 <mmagic> so it is either spent to the receiver, or the sender, but nowhere else..
1073 2011-03-20 07:28:39 <devrandom> hm... let me think about this for a sec
1074 2011-03-20 07:28:54 <devrandom> the way I originally thought about it:
1075 2011-03-20 07:29:07 <mmagic> i'm guess I'm not familiar with the scripting stuff itself, enough to usefully comment.
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1077 2011-03-20 07:29:37 <devrandom> the coin is sent to (pubkey-sender AND (pubkey-escrow1 OR pubkey-escrow2))
1078 2011-03-20 07:29:56 <devrandom> (basically send to self, with additional pubkeys of the escrows
1079 2011-03-20 07:29:59 <devrandom> )
1080 2011-03-20 07:30:09 <mmagic> goodbye robotarmy, your pro-human ideas are good ones. the fact that bitcoins are a non-coercive currency is one of the big selling points i tell people about when i explain ฿
1081 2011-03-20 07:30:34 <devrandom> so to complete the transaction the sender and one of the escrows have to cooperate to create a transaction
1082 2011-03-20 07:31:03 <devrandom> either going back to the sender if the transaction is void or to the receiver if the transaction went ahead
1083 2011-03-20 07:31:55 <devrandom> the receiver always has to trust escrows
1084 2011-03-20 07:32:05 <mmagic> but if it requires the sig of the sender, then the sender can block it indefinitely?
1085 2011-03-20 07:32:20 <devrandom> yes, but then they lose their money
1086 2011-03-20 07:32:25 <mmagic> but then i guess the sender doesn't have money anymore
1087 2011-03-20 07:32:38 <mmagic> so it would be a spiteful transaction if that happened.
1088 2011-03-20 07:33:28 <mmagic> i really like the idea of multiple escrow.
1089 2011-03-20 07:33:29 <devrandom> I guess it would be ideal if the escrow could force it, but I can't think of a way to do that without trusting the escrow
1090 2011-03-20 07:33:33 <mmagic> that's really awesome.
1091 2011-03-20 07:34:05 <devrandom> yeah, you could do all kinds of stuff, like majority vote
1092 2011-03-20 07:34:07 <mmagic> yeah, in which case no point in tacking on crypto for that.
1093 2011-03-20 07:34:30 <mmagic> just tx it to them and then they tx it on
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1097 2011-03-20 07:34:46 <devrandom> oh, I know
1098 2011-03-20 07:35:05 <devrandom> you can do ((pubkey-sender OR pubkey-receiver) AND (pubkey-escrow ...) )
1099 2011-03-20 07:35:42 <devrandom> then the escrow can choose to cooperate with either party to complete the transaction
1100 2011-03-20 07:36:25 <devrandom> but they can't send it to anybody else
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1103 2011-03-20 07:44:43 <devrandom> mmagic - still around?
1104 2011-03-20 08:07:34 <mmagic> yea sort of. :)
1105 2011-03-20 08:08:21 <mmagic> yeah that sounds great!
1106 2011-03-20 08:09:16 <genjix> hahuang65: you also interested in shadowing python dev?
1107 2011-03-20 08:13:05 <devrandom> mmagic - still browsing through the code... I think I'll post something tomorrow
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1113 2011-03-20 08:37:49 <genjix> MagicalTux: any chance you can PM me the details for the VPS when you're around? :p
1114 2011-03-20 08:38:07 <genjix> i want to set it up as a resource for bitcoin development.
1115 2011-03-20 08:38:50 <genjix> (allow people to login + do pair programming... host that bitcoin funding site .etc)
1116 2011-03-20 08:40:12 <genjix> "Either your "old" password is invalid, or your new password confirmation does't match, or your new password is not at least 6 characters long, or your new email confirmation doesn't match"
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1118 2011-03-20 08:45:12 <hahuang65> hey genjix sorry i was afk
1119 2011-03-20 08:45:22 <hahuang65> yeah absolutely, but probably not tonight, i'm about to head to bed
1120 2011-03-20 08:45:39 <genjix> im on gmt
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1122 2011-03-20 08:46:06 <hahuang65> so you're like... what? 8 am?
1123 2011-03-20 08:46:14 <genjix> 0845
1124 2011-03-20 08:46:36 <genjix> gonna be working on a stock exchange next few days. more crypto stuff
1125 2011-03-20 08:46:40 <hahuang65> ah
1126 2011-03-20 08:46:46 <hahuang65> craziness
1127 2011-03-20 08:47:00 <genjix> python crypto is nice though :)
1128 2011-03-20 08:47:11 <hahuang65> why is that?
1129 2011-03-20 08:47:11 <mmagic> github/etc can do pair programming?
1130 2011-03-20 08:47:15 <genjix> not like SSL sinks .etc at all.
1131 2011-03-20 08:47:41 <genjix> mmagic: do you know GNU screen?
1132 2011-03-20 08:48:38 <nathan7_> Hi, world
1133 2011-03-20 08:48:40 <mmagic> yes
1134 2011-03-20 08:48:47 <mmagic> Hi, Nathan7!
1135 2011-03-20 08:48:55 <genjix> mmagic: yeah well we just share a gnu screen session on my vps
1136 2011-03-20 08:49:03 <genjix> skype or irc
1137 2011-03-20 08:49:15 <nathan7_> git is great for collaborating =)
1138 2011-03-20 08:49:19 <genjix> it's a fun way to code, and more effective.
1139 2011-03-20 08:49:30 * nathan7_ hops about
1140 2011-03-20 08:49:32 <genjix> <3 git
1141 2011-03-20 08:49:43 <nathan7_> in my experience, sharing a screen is a horrible way to code
1142 2011-03-20 08:49:50 <genjix> git made revision control fun again
1143 2011-03-20 08:49:55 <mmagic> careful about generalised statements like that. some people will likely disagree with you
1144 2011-03-20 08:49:55 <nathan7_> each work on a different piece of code
1145 2011-03-20 08:50:08 <nathan7_> mmagic: It never worked well for me
1146 2011-03-20 08:50:09 <hahuang65> well the one problem with screen is that you are forced to use vim or emacs
1147 2011-03-20 08:50:16 <genjix> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3830.0
1148 2011-03-20 08:50:24 <nathan7_> It may or may not have to do with the fact that the person with who I usually end up coding is an arrogant bastard
1149 2011-03-20 08:50:26 <genjix> hahuang65: not neccessarily. you can use gobby
1150 2011-03-20 08:50:33 <mmagic> git is the devil. enough to tantalize you, not enough to do surprisingly godlike things yet.
1151 2011-03-20 08:50:44 <mmagic> hahuang65: joe!
1152 2011-03-20 08:50:48 <hahuang65> lol what the heck is gobby?
1153 2011-03-20 08:50:52 <mmagic> or uemacs
1154 2011-03-20 08:50:55 <genjix> search it hahuang65
1155 2011-03-20 08:51:43 <genjix> anyway my devchain is vim + bash + g++/python anyway
1156 2011-03-20 08:52:16 <mmagic> nathan7: yeah, tough to be paired up with a jerk. kind of anti-team, anti-cooperative.
1157 2011-03-20 08:53:05 <mmagic> also, i'm pretty sure the git people aren't interested in scaling up git
1158 2011-03-20 08:53:05 <nathan7_> Yeah.
1159 2011-03-20 08:53:27 <nathan7_> Git was built for the linux kernel.
1160 2011-03-20 08:53:46 <nathan7_> If your project scales past that, be afraid.
1161 2011-03-20 08:54:03 <nathan7_> And it probably needs chopping up into multiple projects
1162 2011-03-20 08:54:12 * nathan7_ installs sketchup
1163 2011-03-20 08:54:16 <nathan7_> I hope wine works fine
1164 2011-03-20 08:55:40 <hahuang65> genjix: i've always wanted to learn vim or emacs
1165 2011-03-20 08:55:44 <genjix> past the linux kernel?
1166 2011-03-20 08:55:49 <genjix> is that possible?
1167 2011-03-20 08:56:04 <hahuang65> is it possible to learn vim or emacs? :-p GOOD QUESTION.
1168 2011-03-20 08:56:06 <genjix> hahuang65: type vimtutor :)
1169 2011-03-20 08:56:10 <hahuang65> vimtutor
1170 2011-03-20 08:56:15 <hahuang65> ?
1171 2011-03-20 08:56:16 <genjix> no on bash
1172 2011-03-20 08:56:18 <hahuang65> lol.
1173 2011-03-20 08:56:24 <genjix> noob
1174 2011-03-20 08:56:26 <genjix> :D
1175 2011-03-20 08:56:41 <hahuang65> LOL.
1176 2011-03-20 08:56:42 <genjix> did you think a wizard was going to appear?
1177 2011-03-20 08:56:50 <genjix> materialise from irc
1178 2011-03-20 08:57:26 <hahuang65> maybe there was a bot on this channel
1179 2011-03-20 08:57:56 <hahuang65> that would then post some link
1180 2011-03-20 08:58:00 <genjix> ahhh ok
1181 2011-03-20 08:58:08 <genjix> well there's #vim for questions
1182 2011-03-20 08:58:09 <hahuang65> i guess it'd have to start with an ! anyways
1183 2011-03-20 08:58:36 <genjix> but vimtutor is the best starting point.
1184 2011-03-20 08:58:56 <genjix> speeds up my coding by many magnitudes
1185 2011-03-20 08:59:40 <hahuang65> awsm never knew about this
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1187 2011-03-20 09:01:37 <nathan7_> Hmm, wine-doors is awesome
1188 2011-03-20 09:02:05 <nathan7_>  10:01:09 [freenode] [ctcp -> nathan7] PING 1300611669 112876
1189 2011-03-20 09:02:05 <nathan7_>  10:01:10 [freenode] CTCP PING reply from nathan7: 0.898 seconds
1190 2011-03-20 09:02:08 <nathan7_> What the hell
1191 2011-03-20 09:02:24 <nathan7_> They nullrouted my damn server but I can still ping my IRC client
1192 2011-03-20 09:03:11 <Diablo-D3> the youtube symphony stream has started
1193 2011-03-20 09:03:47 <nathan7_> :O
1194 2011-03-20 09:05:37 <Diablo-D3> nathan7_: null routing sometimes doesnt effect existing connections
1195 2011-03-20 09:05:50 <Diablo-D3> due to the fact some people just do it wrong
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1198 2011-03-20 09:08:48 <genjix> Diablo-D3: what's that? (on utube)
1199 2011-03-20 09:08:58 <hahuang65> i want pineapple.
1200 2011-03-20 09:09:29 * nevezen gives the chink a pineapple
1201 2011-03-20 09:09:46 * Diablo-D3 smacks nevezen 
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1203 2011-03-20 09:12:08 <genjix> wtf this makes me rage
1204 2011-03-20 09:12:17 <genjix> the liberty reserve wikipedia page has been deleted
1205 2011-03-20 09:12:23 <nathan7_> D:
1206 2011-03-20 09:12:35 <nathan7_> Diablo-D3: wonderful. as I'm under DDoS.
1207 2011-03-20 09:12:50 <Diablo-D3> genjix: the fuck?
1208 2011-03-20 09:12:59 <Diablo-D3> doesnt matter anways
1209 2011-03-20 09:13:00 <genjix> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Liberty_Reserve&action=edit&redlink=1
1210 2011-03-20 09:13:23 <genjix> "Unambiguous advertising or promotion: No independent sources; in fact, it says they don't exist. See A7 on the "importance or significance" of an organization."
1211 2011-03-20 09:13:36 <Diablo-D3> wikipedia is not a reliable data source.
1212 2011-03-20 09:13:36 <nevezen> guess wikipedia is going on a purging/censoring spree?
1213 2011-03-20 09:13:37 <genjix> retarded deletionists.
1214 2011-03-20 09:13:50 <Diablo-D3> I should write wiki software
1215 2011-03-20 09:13:52 <Diablo-D3> and register like
1216 2011-03-20 09:13:54 <nathan7_> genjix: Yeah.
1217 2011-03-20 09:14:05 <Diablo-D3> unpedia.org
1218 2011-03-20 09:14:06 <genjix> fun fact: i once posted an AfD to a deletionists user page
1219 2011-03-20 09:14:15 <nevezen> you should never base your research solely on wikipedia..
1220 2011-03-20 09:14:19 <genjix> (which was filled with 3 pages of facts on himself)
1221 2011-03-20 09:14:28 <genjix> and he got all pissy
1222 2011-03-20 09:14:45 <genjix> i got a warning too
1223 2011-03-20 09:14:57 <genjix> hypocrite.
1224 2011-03-20 09:15:47 <Diablo-D3> man
1225 2011-03-20 09:15:51 <Diablo-D3> and it could take bitcoin donations
1226 2011-03-20 09:15:53 <Diablo-D3> lulz
1227 2011-03-20 09:16:04 <genjix> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Genjix
1228 2011-03-20 09:16:17 <genjix> i have 1.7k edits, and am seriously consider leaving wikipedia
1229 2011-03-20 09:16:36 * Diablo-D3 should get his fucking pool software done
1230 2011-03-20 09:16:38 <genjix> because of shit like this... it's getting worse with the cabal of admins.
1231 2011-03-20 09:16:58 <nathan7_> :o
1232 2011-03-20 09:17:11 * nathan7_ has connections
1233 2011-03-20 09:17:25 <Diablo-D3> I doubt anyone is going to use my pool software anyhow
1234 2011-03-20 09:17:35 <genjix> why not?
1235 2011-03-20 09:17:45 <Diablo-D3> theres already several pools.
1236 2011-03-20 09:17:48 <genjix> ic
1237 2011-03-20 09:18:19 <genjix> maybe you could write a python version of bitcoin :)
1238 2011-03-20 09:18:20 <Diablo-D3> but its the only way to get anything done
1239 2011-03-20 09:18:22 <genjix> everybody wants one.
1240 2011-03-20 09:18:29 <Diablo-D3> python is a useless question
1241 2011-03-20 09:18:30 <Diablo-D3> err
1242 2011-03-20 09:18:33 <Diablo-D3> python is a useless language
1243 2011-03-20 09:18:52 <genjix> oke trololol
1244 2011-03-20 09:19:23 <genjix> c++/python is all the world needs.
1245 2011-03-20 09:19:31 <genjix> maybe assembler.
1246 2011-03-20 09:19:44 <genjix> sprinkle of C
1247 2011-03-20 09:20:11 <Diablo-D3> java.
1248 2011-03-20 09:20:22 <nathan7_> UGH
1249 2011-03-20 09:20:26 * nathan7_ <3 Python
1250 2011-03-20 09:20:47 <nathan7_> It took me 5 minutes to learn Python. Need I say more?
1251 2011-03-20 09:20:57 <Diablo-D3> python is not a real language
1252 2011-03-20 09:21:05 <Diablo-D3> it has no sense of syntax formatting
1253 2011-03-20 09:21:08 <Diablo-D3> its a nightmare to work with
1254 2011-03-20 09:21:16 <Diablo-D3> also, very little code is written in it
1255 2011-03-20 09:21:31 <genjix> java is like the ugly car from soviet russia
1256 2011-03-20 09:22:15 <genjix> you're jealous of python :)
1257 2011-03-20 09:22:33 <Diablo-D3> why would I be jealous of that?
1258 2011-03-20 09:22:49 <Diablo-D3> its difficult to code in, its very slow, and it consumes a lot of memory
1259 2011-03-20 09:22:59 <Diablo-D3> and theres very little frameworks or libraries available for it
1260 2011-03-20 09:23:07 <Diablo-D3> it also has no decent web framework
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1262 2011-03-20 09:26:54 <JFK911> hi diablo
1263 2011-03-20 09:27:01 <JFK911> i tried your miner on windoze
1264 2011-03-20 09:27:20 <JFK911> detects my 5570 and 5870 - but only gets 6500 khash/sec each or so
1265 2011-03-20 09:27:25 <genjix> 1) no 2) dont care (swig/c++) 3) dont care 4) no 5) django
1266 2011-03-20 09:27:51 <Diablo-D3> genjix: dude, if I have to just wrap c++ for everything, why bother using python at all
1267 2011-03-20 09:27:58 <Diablo-D3> and django is horribly design
1268 2011-03-20 09:28:03 <Diablo-D3> its not designed for ease of use nor speed
1269 2011-03-20 09:28:25 <Diablo-D3> JFK911: not using catalyst 10.9 through 11 and sdk 2.1?
1270 2011-03-20 09:28:49 <JFK911> nathan7_: sometimes it's better for the programmer to expend a little bit of effort, especially when the script is widely deployed.  For instance it is pretty rude to have 100k instances of your python running, because each one wastes cpu cycles, electricity, and the environment.
1271 2011-03-20 09:29:01 <JFK911> Diablo-D3: using 2.2, not sure exact catalyst version, 10.something.  i will find out.
1272 2011-03-20 09:29:17 <Diablo-D3> JFK911: 2.2 will happily shit on programs.
1273 2011-03-20 09:29:25 <Diablo-D3> try fucking with -f as well
1274 2011-03-20 09:29:28 <JFK911> ok
1275 2011-03-20 09:29:32 <JFK911> oh i didnt even consider -f
1276 2011-03-20 09:29:33 <Diablo-D3> Ive had reports that low -f values kick it back into gear
1277 2011-03-20 09:29:39 <Diablo-D3> but this is still a massive bug
1278 2011-03-20 09:29:46 <Diablo-D3> -f 60, which is the default, shouldnt trigger shit
1279 2011-03-20 09:29:50 <JFK911> i tried to downgrade my APP to 2.1, but i couldn't then get anything to work :)
1280 2011-03-20 09:29:56 <nathan7_> JFK911: True.
1281 2011-03-20 09:30:01 <Diablo-D3> yeah, catalyst on windows is REALLY fubar
1282 2011-03-20 09:30:07 <nathan7_> JFK911: Every language has its place.
1283 2011-03-20 09:30:08 <Diablo-D3> sometimes once you make the transistion, you cant go back
1284 2011-03-20 09:30:09 <ArtForz> yeah, downgrading SDK on 'doze = royal PITA
1285 2011-03-20 09:30:16 <Diablo-D3> I so fucking hate windows
1286 2011-03-20 09:30:22 <Diablo-D3> I wont even test my miner on it
1287 2011-03-20 09:30:46 <ArtForz> actually it's not really 'dozes fault that APP SDK shits all over the place
1288 2011-03-20 09:30:52 <JFK911> at least you advise people to avoid ubuntu.  i respect your honor.
1289 2011-03-20 09:30:57 <Diablo-D3> no, but I still fucking hate windows
1290 2011-03-20 09:31:08 <nathan7_> ..?
1291 2011-03-20 09:31:19 <ArtForz> well, ubuntu likes to ship horribly broken beta catalyst versions with their releases
1292 2011-03-20 09:31:27 <Diablo-D3> JFK911: oh, and if cant downgrade to 2.1, just upgrade the whole stack to 11.2 + the 2.3 runtime in the installer
1293 2011-03-20 09:31:36 <Diablo-D3> or 11.3 if its out yet
1294 2011-03-20 09:31:40 <JFK911> 2.3 will work?  i'm kinda fraid to try it!
1295 2011-03-20 09:31:48 <Diablo-D3> 2.3 works better than 2.2
1296 2011-03-20 09:31:51 <JFK911> ooh
1297 2011-03-20 09:32:04 <Diablo-D3> but 2.3 isnt really worth using unless you're on 11.1 or later
1298 2011-03-20 09:32:33 <ArtForz> or be the guine... on the bleeding edge and try the 11.4 + 2.4 prerelease :P
1299 2011-03-20 09:32:44 <Diablo-D3> theres no 2.4 prerelease ;)
1300 2011-03-20 09:32:44 <JFK911> alright, thanks for the advice.  when i get it working better i will let you know how i made out.
1301 2011-03-20 09:32:46 <Diablo-D3> nor 11.4
1302 2011-03-20 09:32:54 <ArtForz> there is
1303 2011-03-20 09:32:54 <Diablo-D3> you know what pisses me off?
1304 2011-03-20 09:33:02 <Diablo-D3> people blame me for the miner not working
1305 2011-03-20 09:33:11 <ArtForz> http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/Catalyst114earlypreview.aspx
1306 2011-03-20 09:33:18 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: for linux?
1307 2011-03-20 09:33:22 <ArtForz> no
1308 2011-03-20 09:33:25 <Diablo-D3> doesnt exist then
1309 2011-03-20 09:33:28 <ArtForz> but he just said he's on 'doze
1310 2011-03-20 09:33:37 towerX is now known as tower
1311 2011-03-20 09:33:40 <Diablo-D3> yeah, but I just wanna know of the linux cpu whoring is fixed
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1313 2011-03-20 09:34:01 <ArtForz> *shakes 8-ball* no.
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1315 2011-03-20 09:35:24 <ArtForz> I think it fixes anything opencl + anything using UVD insta-crashes windows
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1317 2011-03-20 09:35:56 <Diablo-D3> thats good
1318 2011-03-20 09:36:09 <Diablo-D3> thats a big issue for some of the code some people are shitting out
1319 2011-03-20 09:36:15 <ArtForz> only took em like 4 driver releases...
1320 2011-03-20 09:36:28 <Diablo-D3> well, opencl has no fucking following
1321 2011-03-20 09:36:32 <Diablo-D3> its deja vu
1322 2011-03-20 09:36:42 <Diablo-D3> opengl went through this shit until carmack shit out glquake
1323 2011-03-20 09:36:53 <ArtForz> wonder if CAL + UVD also casues the same shit
1324 2011-03-20 09:36:56 <Diablo-D3> and then all the sudden ZOMG OPENGL BUZZWORD MASTURBATION GOODNESS
1325 2011-03-20 09:37:54 <Diablo-D3> FAP FAP FAPITY FAP
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1327 2011-03-20 09:38:59 * Diablo-D3 cleans up the pixelated jizz
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1329 2011-03-20 09:44:17 <JFK911> i let that vendor know that one of those g81 boards he sent me arrived with a busted key.
1330 2011-03-20 09:44:23 <JFK911> now i need to find one my mechanism thingy
1331 2011-03-20 09:44:34 <JFK911> anyway hes sending me a whole new kb
1332 2011-03-20 09:44:49 <JFK911> i asked him if he had any that didn't work, he could unmount a slider for me
1333 2011-03-20 09:44:59 <JFK911> nope more garbage for you, jfk911!
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1376 2011-03-20 10:54:00 <genjix> ;;notice
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1378 2011-03-20 10:54:01 <gribble> (notice <text>) -- Replies with <text> in a notice. Use nested commands to your benefit here. If you want a private notice, nest the private command.
1379 2011-03-20 10:54:12 <genjix> ;;notice xg0d 9ab442814608188dffbff0a4f78d43ac275930feb0d1b97b64119dca45c9ff78
1380 2011-03-20 10:54:17 <genjix> ;;notice xg0d 9ab442814608188dffbff0a4f78d43ac275930feb0d1b97b64119dca45c9ff78
1381 2011-03-20 10:54:22 <genjix> ;;bc,notice
1382 2011-03-20 10:54:23 <gribble> Error: "bc,notice" is not a valid command.
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1389 2011-03-20 10:58:02 <nathan7_> what the fuck
1390 2011-03-20 11:03:13 <mmagic> what?
1391 2011-03-20 11:03:25 <Diablo-D3> what?
1392 2011-03-20 11:03:40 <Diablo-D3> ;;say
1393 2011-03-20 11:03:40 <gribble> (say <channel|nick> <text>) -- Sends <text> to <channel|nick>. Can only send to <nick> if supybot.plugins.Anonymous.allowPrivateTarget is True.
1394 2011-03-20 11:03:49 <Diablo-D3> ;;say bitcoin sucks cocks!
1395 2011-03-20 11:03:49 <gribble> Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
1396 2011-03-20 11:03:56 <Diablo-D3> feh
1397 2011-03-20 11:04:02 <ArtForzZz> löl
1398 2011-03-20 11:04:38 <mmagic> ure №①
1399 2011-03-20 11:05:31 <noagendamarket> haha
1400 2011-03-20 11:05:31 <lfm> ;;identify
1401 2011-03-20 11:05:31 <gribble> Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel.
1402 2011-03-20 11:05:44 <lfm> ;;hel identify
1403 2011-03-20 11:05:44 <gribble> Error: "hel" is not a valid command.
1404 2011-03-20 11:05:50 <lfm> ;;help identify
1405 2011-03-20 11:05:50 <gribble> (identify <name> <password>) -- Identifies the user as <name>. This command (and all other commands that include a password) must be sent to the bot privately, not in a channel.
1406 2011-03-20 11:06:03 <lfm> ;;identify lfm lfmbbn
1407 2011-03-20 11:06:03 <gribble> Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel.
1408 2011-03-20 11:07:21 <nathan7_> lfm: fail
1409 2011-03-20 11:16:18 <lfm> ;;notice lfm
1410 2011-03-20 11:19:59 <lfm> ;;bc,cacl 350000
1411 2011-03-20 11:19:59 <gribble> Error: "bc,cacl" is not a valid command.
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1413 2011-03-20 11:20:42 <BlueMatt> is the official bitcoin build done on xp vista or 7? or server 2003 or 2008?
1414 2011-03-20 11:23:38 <lfm> dunno, does it really matter?
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1416 2011-03-20 11:24:09 <lfm> ;;bc,calc 350000
1417 2011-03-20 11:24:10 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 350000 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 1 week, 3 days, 19 hours, 43 minutes, and 21 seconds
1418 2011-03-20 11:24:33 <BlueMatt> lfm: just wondered what I should install when I build them myself
1419 2011-03-20 11:25:02 <BlueMatt> guess Ill go with server 2008
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1423 2011-03-20 11:35:25 <lfm> BlueMatt: go with linux
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1425 2011-03-20 11:35:45 <BlueMatt> lfm: cross compiling is a bit hard...
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1427 2011-03-20 11:36:12 <lfm> you dont need to crosscompile if you install linux
1428 2011-03-20 11:36:28 <Kon> what's mine pooling and would anyone recommend it
1429 2011-03-20 11:36:47 <BlueMatt> lfm: I use linux but to compile for linux AND windows is a bit hard...
1430 2011-03-20 11:37:21 <lfm> ya but you dont need to compile for windows if you install linux
1431 2011-03-20 11:37:56 <BlueMatt> lfm: again, im just compiling for both for the nightlies server and maybe eventually release a win vm so that people can compile it themselves
1432 2011-03-20 11:39:04 <lfm> oh, well good luck with that. If it were up to me Id prolly not bother with mswin at all, but I'm just a prick that way
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1458 2011-03-20 13:20:58 <noagendamarket> did someone die in here or what ?
1459 2011-03-20 13:21:36 <niekie> Hey noagendamarket :)
1460 2011-03-20 13:21:52 <niekie> nathan7: poke.
1461 2011-03-20 13:22:14 <nathan7_> niekie: peek
1462 2011-03-20 13:22:18 <nathan7_> Can't opify
1463 2011-03-20 13:22:25 <niekie> Grwl.
1464 2011-03-20 13:22:27 <niekie> Why not?
1465 2011-03-20 13:22:32 <nathan7_> note my nick
1466 2011-03-20 13:22:35 <nathan7_> and my opness
1467 2011-03-20 13:22:43 <niekie> Um, yeah, so why is that?
1468 2011-03-20 13:22:46 <niekie> :)
1469 2011-03-20 13:23:01 <nathan7_> Panther is being DDoSed
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1471 2011-03-20 13:30:15 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,estimate
1472 2011-03-20 13:30:19 <gribble> 66087.61248230
1473 2011-03-20 13:30:32 <noagendamarket> hey nieke
1474 2011-03-20 13:30:41 <noagendamarket> *niekie
1475 2011-03-20 13:30:59 <noagendamarket> Panther ?
1476 2011-03-20 13:31:35 <niekie> Some shell server, no doubt. :)
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1478 2011-03-20 13:32:29 <sipa> jgarzik: have you tried using the output of a scratch-off key, after using scratchoff() ?
1479 2011-03-20 13:33:10 <sipa> you add the key to the database, but i think you'll also need to use AddKey(), to add it to mapKeys and mapPubKeys
1480 2011-03-20 13:36:31 <sipa> apparently, AddKey calls WriteKey as well
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1487 2011-03-20 13:49:09 <sipa> jgarzik: by the way, i think it's quite possible to split CreateTransaction into a function that takes a list of CTxOut's for use as input, and a wrapper around that which calls SelectCoins to get those CTxOut's
1488 2011-03-20 13:49:36 <sipa> so you can create transactions that use specific inputs in scratchoff
1489 2011-03-20 13:53:50 <Aciid> array()[marketplace, marketplace-china]; pls?
1490 2011-03-20 13:55:12 <Aciid> srsly this is ridicilous, theres 5pages of china on the market now
1491 2011-03-20 13:55:21 <luke-jr> otg!~luke-jr@ishibashi.dashjr.org|lol
1492 2011-03-20 13:55:44 <luke-jr> otg!~luke-jr@ishibashi.dashjr.org|china needs its own subforum
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1494 2011-03-20 13:57:01 <Aciid> no shit, or else I need a "ignore china" greasemonkey script
1495 2011-03-20 13:57:31 <noagendamarket> you cant ignore china :)-
1496 2011-03-20 14:01:05 <Aciid> "challenge accepted"
1497 2011-03-20 14:03:49 <joepie91> lolol
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1500 2011-03-20 14:06:02 <noagendamarket> lol
1501 2011-03-20 14:06:45 <joepie91> also
1502 2011-03-20 14:06:58 <joepie91> I think these chinese students could be a really good source for ideas
1503 2011-03-20 14:07:08 <joepie91> business plans, concepts, etc
1504 2011-03-20 14:09:24 * Kiba thinks of them as mostly cultural export
1505 2011-03-20 14:09:37 <Kiba> the only problem is what they will do with bitcoin after this
1506 2011-03-20 14:11:23 <joepie91> hmm... elaborate?
1507 2011-03-20 14:12:40 <Kiba> after they're done, the economic output will be gone
1508 2011-03-20 14:13:15 <Kiba> There is no reason to trade with the west beyond the school assignment
1509 2011-03-20 14:14:06 <joepie91> hmmm
1510 2011-03-20 14:14:08 <joepie91> I'm not sure
1511 2011-03-20 14:14:11 <genjix> get used to it
1512 2011-03-20 14:14:17 <joepie91> if you could encourage them to set up a local exchange
1513 2011-03-20 14:14:18 <genjix> it's a microcosm of the future
1514 2011-03-20 14:14:19 <joepie91> somehow
1515 2011-03-20 14:14:34 <joepie91> you might be able to get at least a small group to actually use it
1516 2011-03-20 14:14:53 <joepie91> I've noticed that a lot of people treat bitcoin like a sort of... playful currency
1517 2011-03-20 14:14:58 <joepie91> and in that it certainly has potential
1518 2011-03-20 14:15:08 <joepie91> to be used amongst, for example, student groups
1519 2011-03-20 14:15:10 <genjix> yep that's my fav aspect of btc
1520 2011-03-20 14:15:16 <genjix> it's liquidity
1521 2011-03-20 14:15:31 <joepie91> the bitcoin economy is sort of... amazing, lol
1522 2011-03-20 14:15:53 <genjix> it flows rather than oozes through the aether(net)
1523 2011-03-20 14:16:11 <joepie91> just one thing I am wondering about....
1524 2011-03-20 14:16:19 <joepie91> say the amount of bitcoin users suddenly grows with 500%
1525 2011-03-20 14:16:26 <joepie91> will the network be able to handle that at this point?
1526 2011-03-20 14:16:41 <genjix> kind of
1527 2011-03-20 14:16:47 <joepie91> especially with china "discovering bitcoin" that is not a very weird thing to happen
1528 2011-03-20 14:16:58 <joepie91> would not be*
1529 2011-03-20 14:17:02 <genjix> there's already 10k+ nodes
1530 2011-03-20 14:17:29 <genjix> but currently the software is tuned for that value (or lower), so adjustments would be made.
1531 2011-03-20 14:17:37 <genjix> not to the protocol, but the software
1532 2011-03-20 14:17:40 <genjix> not a big deal tho
1533 2011-03-20 14:17:42 <joepie91> heh, it's easy to get 50k nodes from china I think
1534 2011-03-20 14:17:49 <joepie91> I remember running a proxy site
1535 2011-03-20 14:17:50 <joepie91> a webproxy
1536 2011-03-20 14:17:58 <joepie91> it was fairly quiet on there
1537 2011-03-20 14:18:04 <joepie91> until the first chinese person discovered it
1538 2011-03-20 14:18:15 <joepie91> in one day I had a 1500% visitor increase
1539 2011-03-20 14:18:22 <genjix> i saw bitcoin being discussed on 4chan
1540 2011-03-20 14:18:33 <joepie91> things like this, providing some sort of "freedom" apparently spread really fast in china
1541 2011-03-20 14:18:35 <genjix> the interest was in being able to buy drugs with it.
1542 2011-03-20 14:18:38 <joepie91> heh
1543 2011-03-20 14:18:41 <joepie91> obviously :P
1544 2011-03-20 14:19:01 <genjix> that was a shock for me :p
1545 2011-03-20 14:19:05 <joepie91> mhh
1546 2011-03-20 14:19:10 <joepie91> was to be expected, sort of :P
1547 2011-03-20 14:19:21 <joepie91> 4chan + more or less anonymous way to buy drugs online = ???
1548 2011-03-20 14:19:27 <sipa> joepie91: all the chinese spam is an assigned someone gave at school, they had to earn bitcoins as a test for communicating with people from the western world
1549 2011-03-20 14:19:34 <joepie91> sipa: aware
1550 2011-03-20 14:19:40 <joepie91> that does not mean it can't spread around
1551 2011-03-20 14:19:42 <joepie91> :P
1552 2011-03-20 14:19:54 <joepie91> whether it's a school assignment or not, people are aware of the existence now
1553 2011-03-20 14:20:17 <genjix> you overestimate how much people care
1554 2011-03-20 14:20:19 <sipa> yes, 150 out of 1500000000 chinese may be aware of it now :p
1555 2011-03-20 14:20:41 <genjix> ying likes her hair product and make up
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1557 2011-03-20 14:20:53 <genjix> bo likes his bruce lee films and cars
1558 2011-03-20 14:21:08 <joepie91> sipa: read back to the example of that proxy :P
1559 2011-03-20 14:21:14 <joepie91> I know
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1561 2011-03-20 14:21:21 <joepie91> the point is that it provides "freedom" to some degree
1562 2011-03-20 14:21:29 <genjix> from what?
1563 2011-03-20 14:21:39 <joepie91> from government-controlled system
1564 2011-03-20 14:21:41 <joepie91> err
1565 2011-03-20 14:21:43 <joepie91> systems*
1566 2011-03-20 14:21:58 <joepie91> there is no governance over bitcoin by any government, as far as I am aware
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1568 2011-03-20 14:22:37 <genjix> are you dutch?
1569 2011-03-20 14:23:05 <genjix> you are cos i remember you saying the diff between netherlands and holland
1570 2011-03-20 14:23:21 <joepie91> yup, dutch :P
1571 2011-03-20 14:23:27 <genjix> you should come to amsterdam on 4th. we're having a hackmeeting.
1572 2011-03-20 14:23:38 <genjix> my friends are all anarchist squatters (kraak)
1573 2011-03-20 14:24:03 <joepie91> I'm a squatter as well :P
1574 2011-03-20 14:24:06 <joepie91> 't blijvertje by any chance?
1575 2011-03-20 14:24:19 <genjix> heh o rly now :)
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1577 2011-03-20 14:24:34 <joepie91> but is it in 't blijvertje?
1578 2011-03-20 14:25:05 <genjix> i dont know... i know jaromil, caedes, acracia and qcqp
1579 2011-03-20 14:25:17 <genjix> joepie91: i wrote this article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_squatting_ban
1580 2011-03-20 14:25:29 <genjix> really sad that happened
1581 2011-03-20 14:25:55 <joepie91> mye
1582 2011-03-20 14:25:59 <joepie91> here there's not much difference
1583 2011-03-20 14:26:12 <joepie91> city doesn't want to start shit with squatters and the other way around
1584 2011-03-20 14:26:17 <genjix> good
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1586 2011-03-20 14:26:36 <joepie91> then again
1587 2011-03-20 14:26:39 <joepie91> no problems here at all
1588 2011-03-20 14:26:54 <joepie91> really tight community amongst squatters here... pretty much never any trouble caused by any of us
1589 2011-03-20 14:27:09 <joepie91> plus, everyone including city council appears to hate the biggest landlord here
1590 2011-03-20 14:27:09 <joepie91> :P
1591 2011-03-20 14:27:20 <genjix> do you know jaromil at all?
1592 2011-03-20 14:27:27 <joepie91> so they're like "meh, you got squatters in your building? good luck getting them out, now gtfo"
1593 2011-03-20 14:27:32 <joepie91> nope
1594 2011-03-20 14:27:34 <genjix> he runs the slug (squatters linux user group)
1595 2011-03-20 14:27:39 <joepie91> oh, lol
1596 2011-03-20 14:27:40 <genjix> and he's involved with bitcoin
1597 2011-03-20 14:28:01 <joepie91> meh
1598 2011-03-20 14:28:05 <joepie91> maybe I might know him IRL
1599 2011-03-20 14:28:09 <joepie91> but I don't know the nick
1600 2011-03-20 14:28:09 <joepie91> :P
1601 2011-03-20 14:28:34 <genjix> k. you able to attent the meeting?
1602 2011-03-20 14:28:53 <genjix> would be cool
1603 2011-03-20 14:29:05 <joepie91> dunno
1604 2011-03-20 14:29:11 <joepie91> probably won't have enough money to buy a train ticket by then
1605 2011-03-20 14:29:11 <joepie91> :P
1606 2011-03-20 14:29:19 <genjix> :(
1607 2011-03-20 14:29:26 <genjix> k
1608 2011-03-20 14:29:34 <joepie91> adsense usually only appears on my bank account on like
1609 2011-03-20 14:29:36 <joepie91> 8th of the month
1610 2011-03-20 14:32:11 <genjix> did you see here in uk we had protests?
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1612 2011-03-20 14:32:33 <genjix> people occupied the government buildings and the beaurucrats locked themselves in the rooms
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1616 2011-03-20 14:33:03 <genjix> and a group of people mobbed the royal car. somebody stabbed the princess with a stick
1617 2011-03-20 14:33:06 <genjix> lol
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1619 2011-03-20 14:34:25 <noagendamarket> lawl
1620 2011-03-20 14:34:35 <genjix> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:24_Nov_protests_Trafalgar_police_van.jpg
1621 2011-03-20 14:34:44 <genjix> so fucking funny.
1622 2011-03-20 14:36:10 <genjix> http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/49878000/jpg/_49878578_jex_863903_de27-1.jpg
1623 2011-03-20 14:37:19 <noagendamarket> cool
1624 2011-03-20 14:41:30 <joepie91> lmfao
1625 2011-03-20 14:41:33 <joepie91> world needs more of that
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1627 2011-03-20 14:44:08 <genjix> http://www.google.co.uk/images?q=london%20student%20riots&hl=en&prmd=ivns&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1024&bih=634
1628 2011-03-20 14:44:15 <genjix> well you can see everyone was pissed :p
1629 2011-03-20 14:44:48 <genjix> i dont give a shit. but we need more chaos.
1630 2011-03-20 14:45:01 <joepie91> ye well
1631 2011-03-20 14:45:05 <joepie91> people should stay pissed
1632 2011-03-20 14:45:09 <joepie91> until the issue is resolved
1633 2011-03-20 14:45:54 <genjix>  /politics
1634 2011-03-20 14:47:34 <genjix> looolll http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1300631400328.jpg
1635 2011-03-20 14:47:37 <genjix> so good :D
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1638 2011-03-20 14:50:15 <Kiba> O_O
1639 2011-03-20 14:50:32 Omni is now known as AFK!~hopper@pdpc/supporter/professional/omnifarious|Omnifarious
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1641 2011-03-20 14:56:24 <Kiba> I shall dedicate myself to becoming a force of nature!
1642 2011-03-20 14:57:58 Omnifarious is now known as Omni|AFK
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1644 2011-03-20 14:59:48 <slush> anybody skilled in linux here?
1645 2011-03-20 14:59:57 <slush> I installed 64bit kernel  on top of 32bit system
1646 2011-03-20 15:00:03 <Kiba> it depends on what you mean
1647 2011-03-20 15:00:15 <slush> but starting X and aticonfig tells me I'm missing some libraries
1648 2011-03-20 15:00:35 <slush> ticonfig --initial --adapter=all --force
1649 2011-03-20 15:00:36 <slush> aticonfig: error while loading shared libraries: libXrandr.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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1652 2011-03-20 15:03:02 <slush> libXrandr.so.2 is here, but in /usr/lib, not /usr/lib64
1653 2011-03-20 15:04:52 <genjix> can i call 1 bitcoin as 1 'proof-of-work'? that's technically correct, right?
1654 2011-03-20 15:04:59 <genjix> (sorry slush, can't help)
1655 2011-03-20 15:06:20 <JFK911> interesting problem, slush.  i wonder where you should find that lib.
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1657 2011-03-20 15:06:48 <genjix> slush: set LD_LIBRARY_PATH?
1658 2011-03-20 15:06:52 <JFK911> unless the 64 bit lib got installed in /usr/lib.  check the lib's arch with objdump
1659 2011-03-20 15:08:31 <slush> genjix: library path is empty. what should be here?
1660 2011-03-20 15:08:52 <JFK911> if the env is empty ld takes it from some ld.so.conf or something in /etc
1661 2011-03-20 15:09:25 <genjix> slush: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib
1662 2011-03-20 15:09:31 <genjix> and see if that helps :p
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1665 2011-03-20 15:14:57 <bxc> genjix: 15:04 < genjix> can i call 1 bitcoin as 1 'proof-of-work'?
1666 2011-03-20 15:15:04 <bxc> genjix: its proof that *someone* did the work
1667 2011-03-20 15:15:08 <bxc> genjix: not that you did
1668 2011-03-20 15:15:12 <genjix> yep thanks
1669 2011-03-20 15:15:18 <genjix> makes sense
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1671 2011-03-20 15:18:50 <sipa> genjix: i wouldn't say that
1672 2011-03-20 15:18:58 <sipa> the initial creation depends on a proof of work, yes
1673 2011-03-20 15:19:09 <sipa> but a coin is just an unredeemed tx output
1674 2011-03-20 15:21:42 <genjix> so why is that wrong?
1675 2011-03-20 15:21:54 <genjix> 1 coin is proof that one work happened.
1676 2011-03-20 15:22:29 <sipa> eventually, yes
1677 2011-03-20 15:22:41 <sipa> but if i have 1 coin, that doesn't mean i did work
1678 2011-03-20 15:23:04 <genjix> yep
1679 2011-03-20 15:23:08 <sipa> if i have one unreedemed generated 50 BTC output, then i have proof i did work
1680 2011-03-20 15:23:11 <noagendamarket> no it means someone did it
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1709 2011-03-20 16:24:54 * overtorque is away: I'm busy
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1714 2011-03-20 16:27:01 <overtorque> test
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1716 2011-03-20 16:30:59 * overtorque is away: Bitcoin Randomizer: http://fxnet.co.cc/?ref=518
1717 2011-03-20 16:31:13 <Aciid> for the love of god thats just lame
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1720 2011-03-20 16:31:40 <overtorque> my ref link?
1721 2011-03-20 16:31:54 <Aciid> no, but the automatic ref announcing if you are away
1722 2011-03-20 16:32:22 <overtorque> ah yea
1723 2011-03-20 16:32:25 <overtorque> that's a new thing im testing
1724 2011-03-20 16:32:40 <Aciid> dude, we don't care about away's
1725 2011-03-20 16:32:50 <overtorque> i know
1726 2011-03-20 16:33:01 <overtorque> i figured i'd put it there instead of spamming the chat room with it
1727 2011-03-20 16:33:14 <overtorque> ... it's more passive.. like people having it in their signatures on the forums
1728 2011-03-20 16:33:24 <overtorque> a lot of people hide away messages anyways
1729 2011-03-20 16:34:21 * overtorque is away: Bitcoin Randomizer: http://fxnet.co.cc/?ref=518
1730 2011-03-20 16:35:30 <Aciid> *erhm* /ignore 'd
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1737 2011-03-20 16:46:29 <jgarzik> sipa: thanks will look at AddKey()
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1759 2011-03-20 18:03:08 <nextnonce> hi I'm trying to use mygox's api and for all https requests I'm getting the error, "Not logged in."  Can anyone help?
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1766 2011-03-20 18:10:17 <joepie91> nextnonce: did you log in?
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1768 2011-03-20 18:11:17 <nextnonce> I did log into the site itself yes, and I can make api requests w/ my browser while logged in.  But the requests from my python script fail.
1769 2011-03-20 18:12:45 <joepie91> hmm... the mtgox api does not use api keys?
1770 2011-03-20 18:12:53 <joepie91> your browser and your application have several cookies
1771 2011-03-20 18:12:55 <joepie91> errr
1772 2011-03-20 18:12:57 <joepie91> separate cookies*
1773 2011-03-20 18:13:15 <joepie91> you will need to do a login request from your python application before you do anything else
1774 2011-03-20 18:13:24 <joepie91> then you will get cookies back, and you need to send those with the API request
1775 2011-03-20 18:13:36 <joepie91> your application can't read your browser cookies :)
1776 2011-03-20 18:13:46 <nextnonce> hmm, then why does the api require name+password in the POST
1777 2011-03-20 18:14:06 <joepie91> oh, wait
1778 2011-03-20 18:14:07 <joepie91> wtf
1779 2011-03-20 18:14:09 <joepie91> ...
1780 2011-03-20 18:14:15 <joepie91> does it require your _actual_ name and password?
1781 2011-03-20 18:14:19 <joepie91> that is really bad :/
1782 2011-03-20 18:14:27 <nextnonce> yes it does
1783 2011-03-20 18:14:43 <joepie91> an API should _NEVER_ accept credentials that can be used to access a full account
1784 2011-03-20 18:15:24 <joepie91> https://www.mtgox.com/examples/payAPI
1785 2011-03-20 18:15:31 <joepie91> try to mimic that in pytho
1786 2011-03-20 18:15:34 <joepie91> err, python*
1787 2011-03-20 18:16:51 <nextnonce> interesting... hadn't seen that before.  It's for a different api but maybe this will provide clues.
1788 2011-03-20 18:17:20 <joepie91> from what I have seen it;s fairly easy to mimic PHP using Python
1789 2011-03-20 18:17:20 <joepie91> :)
1790 2011-03-20 18:17:27 <joepie91> no first hand experience, though
1791 2011-03-20 18:17:33 <joepie91> also, zero experience with mt. gox
1792 2011-03-20 18:17:38 <joepie91> you working on a trading application?
1793 2011-03-20 18:18:02 <nextnonce> yes, a simple trading bot just for fun
1794 2011-03-20 18:18:20 <joepie91> heh
1795 2011-03-20 18:18:21 <joepie91> nice
1796 2011-03-20 18:18:50 <nextnonce> I notice that this api you linked does use a token rather than password.  I wonder if they changed the other api to use the same token...
1797 2011-03-20 18:20:15 <joepie91> I have no idea
1798 2011-03-20 18:20:17 <joepie91> I just googled it :)
1799 2011-03-20 18:20:27 <Kiba> man, I am hungry
1800 2011-03-20 18:20:31 * Kiba goes make lunch
1801 2011-03-20 18:21:39 * Validus fixes more coffee
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1804 2011-03-20 18:26:56 <Kiba> crap
1805 2011-03-20 18:26:58 <Kiba> no more breads
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1808 2011-03-20 18:29:48 <nextnonce> Fixed.  I was using the wrong parameter.  It's "pass" instead of "password." (gah)
1809 2011-03-20 18:30:07 <Validus> ahh the joy of the little things
1810 2011-03-20 18:30:08 <Validus> lol
1811 2011-03-20 18:31:17 <joepie91> I would still strongly discourage sending user and pass :/
1812 2011-03-20 18:32:02 <Validus> id idnt read any of the above conversation hehe
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1814 2011-03-20 18:32:11 <Validus> you shouldnt send a user/pass unless its fully encrypted no matter what
1815 2011-03-20 18:33:01 <nextnonce> it's https
1816 2011-03-20 18:33:36 <nextnonce> I send their website my user/pass via https whenever I log in
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1824 2011-03-20 18:47:53 <BlueSTARS> ;;bc,stats
1825 2011-03-20 18:47:57 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114284 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 627 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 2 hours, 5 minutes, and 27 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 66065.24780802
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1828 2011-03-20 18:54:47 <slush> which is the last block in testnet?
1829 2011-03-20 18:55:15 <slush> my client see 10921, but block explorer 10975
1830 2011-03-20 18:56:15 <sipa> i have 10975
1831 2011-03-20 18:56:37 <sipa> bitcoin.sipa.be has a testnet server, by the way
1832 2011-03-20 18:57:15 <slush> oh, my client was blocked for some reason. I see 10975 after restart, too
1833 2011-03-20 18:57:47 <slush> sipa: so blocks with 64bit extranonce were accepted :)
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1835 2011-03-20 18:58:52 <joepie91> nextnonce
1836 2011-03-20 18:58:55 <sipa> where?
1837 2011-03-20 18:59:03 <joepie91> the point is that your username and password should not be _anywhere_ in a piece of code
1838 2011-03-20 18:59:04 <sipa> slush: which block has one :)
1839 2011-03-20 18:59:06 <joepie91> that is what API keys are for
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1841 2011-03-20 18:59:23 <joepie91> the issue is not the sending of the credentials
1842 2011-03-20 18:59:26 <joepie91> the issue is the storage of them
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1844 2011-03-20 19:00:12 <xelister> what the fuck are ant clustering mehanisms =)
1845 2011-03-20 19:00:15 <xelister> like this, http://dbkgroup.org/handl/ants/
1846 2011-03-20 19:00:58 <xelister> like 10 webpages/papers + wikipedia  they all describe ant clustering algorithm as a way to get a random pattern of 2d shite and sort it into clusters.... but for what reasons? how is that usable? O_o
1847 2011-03-20 19:01:22 <BlueMatt> is there anyone who handles windows building (wasn't it satoshi?) does gavin do it now?
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1849 2011-03-20 19:03:13 <xelister> 2 BTC to anyone who explains to me what for are this shit usable:  http://dbkgroup.org/handl/ants/   because to me it looks like, we take some totall random shitty points, and then move them around ... what for the fuck?! how is that helping classification of input data if more samples then the training data is presented?! Explain this good enough for me, this is the task =)
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1851 2011-03-20 19:04:20 <slush> sipa: http://blockexplorer.com/testnet
1852 2011-03-20 19:04:32 <slush> all blocks with 1 tx and 0.215kB
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1854 2011-03-20 19:04:58 <slush> erm, 0.222kB
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1856 2011-03-20 19:05:12 <necrodearia> this just in: if you post to a particular site (unnamed to prevent spammorcists), then all immediate replies will contribute towards your profitability
1857 2011-03-20 19:05:52 <necrodearia> additionally, if you reply, then all replies to your reply (e.g. hierarchically) will establish profitability
1858 2011-03-20 19:06:12 <necrodearia> hint: profitability is evil word when overused
1859 2011-03-20 19:06:14 <overtorque> hey. can someone type my name in. need to test highlighting real quick
1860 2011-03-20 19:06:20 <necrodearia> overtorque,
1861 2011-03-20 19:06:27 <overtorque> thanks!
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1863 2011-03-20 19:06:50 <necrodearia> hey, can someone type their bitcoin address so I made send some bitcoins?  need to test something real quick
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1865 2011-03-20 19:06:56 <necrodearia> s/made/may/
1866 2011-03-20 19:07:04 <luke-jr> 1QCXXNva1jei88u8RwKMzXFG9ya3tAafbU
1867 2011-03-20 19:07:12 <luke-jr> you can help me test Spesmilo too :D
1868 2011-03-20 19:07:14 <Lartza> 1PX3Ju5axcdUZ1fLN6t9ku7RjsG4phD41s
1869 2011-03-20 19:07:17 <necrodearia> Lartz: thanks!
1870 2011-03-20 19:07:19 <necrodearia> Lartza: thanks!
1871 2011-03-20 19:07:21 <luke-jr> necrodearia: …
1872 2011-03-20 19:07:33 <Lartza> :D
1873 2011-03-20 19:07:41 <Lartza> received, unconfirmed
1874 2011-03-20 19:07:47 <necrodearia> woo, it works!
1875 2011-03-20 19:07:47 <luke-jr> necrodearia: I was first
1876 2011-03-20 19:08:03 <Lartza> necrodearia: Can I keep it or you want it back? :P
1877 2011-03-20 19:08:11 <necrodearia> uhhhh, that is so mean
1878 2011-03-20 19:08:13 <necrodearia> you are mean person
1879 2011-03-20 19:08:14 <Lartza> luke-jr: Noticed after I posted :D
1880 2011-03-20 19:08:28 <necrodearia> because you are mean person I must retaliate
1881 2011-03-20 19:08:29 <luke-jr> Lartza: ?
1882 2011-03-20 19:08:38 * necrodearia retaliated
1883 2011-03-20 19:08:41 <Lartza> luke-jr: That someone had already posted
1884 2011-03-20 19:08:45 <luke-jr> necrodearia: you make no sense
1885 2011-03-20 19:08:47 <Lartza> necrodearia: What? :D
1886 2011-03-20 19:08:57 <Lartza> How is that retaliation?
1887 2011-03-20 19:09:03 <necrodearia> how is it not?
1888 2011-03-20 19:09:07 <luke-jr> Lartza: you could forward it on to me now :P
1889 2011-03-20 19:09:09 <Lartza> to send me more credit? :D
1890 2011-03-20 19:09:11 <necrodearia> you're confusing
1891 2011-03-20 19:09:13 <luke-jr> and if necrodearia wants it back, I can send it to him
1892 2011-03-20 19:09:16 <Lartza> taht is retaliation
1893 2011-03-20 19:09:28 <Lartza> Yea, necrodearia you want those back?
1894 2011-03-20 19:09:31 <necrodearia> omfgz, wtf?
1895 2011-03-20 19:09:37 <Lartza> ...
1896 2011-03-20 19:09:43 <necrodearia> that should be more powerfully understood
1897 2011-03-20 19:09:50 <necrodearia> double the power
1898 2011-03-20 19:10:09 <Lartza> I have received 3 credit now... can I see the sending adress no? :S
1899 2011-03-20 19:10:14 <Lartza> not 3 credit...
1900 2011-03-20 19:10:16 <luke-jr> necrodearia is drunk or smth
1901 2011-03-20 19:10:18 <Lartza> 3 transactions
1902 2011-03-20 19:10:39 <Lartza> luke-jr: You can't see sending adresses?
1903 2011-03-20 19:10:42 <Lartza> I am a newbie :)
1904 2011-03-20 19:10:52 <luke-jr> Lartza: you could if you tried, but it's irrelevant
1905 2011-03-20 19:10:58 <luke-jr> sending addresses are basically random
1906 2011-03-20 19:11:04 <Lartza> ahh
1907 2011-03-20 19:11:06 <Lartza> :)
1908 2011-03-20 19:11:15 <Myckel> xelister, the points are random placed but not in itself random. The points are grouped depending on the class that they belong to. Seems that over time more similair points group together more closely.
1909 2011-03-20 19:11:16 <luke-jr> that's why you create a new address for every transaction
1910 2011-03-20 19:11:28 <Lartza> luke-jr: You have a lot of balance?
1911 2011-03-20 19:11:33 <xelister> Myckel: ok, but what for
1912 2011-03-20 19:11:38 <luke-jr> Lartza: enough
1913 2011-03-20 19:11:50 <xelister> Myckel: how is moving around test data going to help classify data after training stage
1914 2011-03-20 19:11:54 <Lartza> luke-jr: I was thinking if necrodearia doesn't want them I could keep them :)
1915 2011-03-20 19:11:54 <xelister> this makes no sense
1916 2011-03-20 19:11:56 <necrodearia> Lartza, You're welcome to visit my site (still unnamed to prevent spammorcists)
1917 2011-03-20 19:11:59 <Lartza> luke-jr: I have 0.25 :D
1918 2011-03-20 19:12:14 <Myckel> xelister, don't know, depends on how you want to use it. Do you need to train it?
1919 2011-03-20 19:12:21 <Lartza> luke-jr: But if you insist I can send you some since I am nice :P
1920 2011-03-20 19:12:25 <necrodearia> hint: it rhymes wit bitcoin
1921 2011-03-20 19:12:30 <xelister> Myckel: dunno... its all confusing as fuck :<
1922 2011-03-20 19:12:38 <Lartza> necrodearia: witcoin!
1923 2011-03-20 19:12:39 <Kiba> finally!
1924 2011-03-20 19:12:39 <Lartza> :D
1925 2011-03-20 19:12:43 <necrodearia> train it?  that reminds me of Everquest
1926 2011-03-20 19:12:52 <Kiba> Myckel: how's operation fabulous coding going?
1927 2011-03-20 19:12:59 <Lartza> necrodearia: PM me the address :)
1928 2011-03-20 19:13:10 <Lartza> the site
1929 2011-03-20 19:13:14 <luke-jr> Lartza: I just sent u 100 TBC
1930 2011-03-20 19:13:50 <Lartza> TBC? and... I don't see
1931 2011-03-20 19:13:52 <Lartza> :)
1932 2011-03-20 19:13:57 <Lartza> Iäll take a shower
1933 2011-03-20 19:13:59 <necrodearia> to be continued?
1934 2011-03-20 19:13:59 <luke-jr> TBC < BTC
1935 2011-03-20 19:14:04 <Myckel> xelister, lets say I develop a game world.. and I want to place trees in different zones. I could use this algorithm to position the trees. Just drop them random in the world. Fire the algorithm and watch the different trees show up in different zones
1936 2011-03-20 19:14:17 <luke-jr> Lartza: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Units
1937 2011-03-20 19:14:20 <Lartza> luke-jr: Ahh... thanks :)
1938 2011-03-20 19:14:24 <luke-jr> Lartza: you'll probably want to stick to BTC tho :p
1939 2011-03-20 19:14:24 <Myckel> Kiba, hopefully a large update within 2 weeks.
1940 2011-03-20 19:14:32 <Lartza> Shower >>> quick
1941 2011-03-20 19:14:43 <luke-jr> Lartza: unless you have an unusually high interest in numbers
1942 2011-03-20 19:15:18 <Lartza> numbersss
1943 2011-03-20 19:15:19 <Lartza> :D
1944 2011-03-20 19:15:25 <Lartza> *drool*
1945 2011-03-20 19:15:27 <xelister> Myckel: yeah  but how is that artificiall intelligence,  how is that computer lerning?
1946 2011-03-20 19:15:34 <Lartza> But a quickie shower seriously now
1947 2011-03-20 19:15:40 <xelister> it is more of "move shit randomly for useless reasons"?
1948 2011-03-20 19:16:06 <Myckel> xelister, ehh.  where does it say AI?
1949 2011-03-20 19:16:19 <xelister> it is supposed to be classification
1950 2011-03-20 19:16:26 <Myckel> moving isn't random
1951 2011-03-20 19:16:37 <xelister> how is moving shit into stupid piles by imaginary stupid ants heling to classify nerw samples
1952 2011-03-20 19:16:44 <xelister> *helping
1953 2011-03-20 19:17:45 <Myckel> no idea.
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1955 2011-03-20 19:18:27 <Myckel> Could be for very complex data usefull. Instead of describing how each thing should be classified, let the ants do it.
1956 2011-03-20 19:19:18 <LtBrenton> ;;bc,stats
1957 2011-03-20 19:19:50 <LtBrenton> bot's down? @_@
1958 2011-03-20 19:19:50 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114286 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 625 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 1 hour, 52 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 65984.04916269
1959 2011-03-20 19:19:54 <LtBrenton> oh there it is
1960 2011-03-20 19:20:20 <Myckel> ant picks something up that is nowhere near something similair, moves it, drops it closer to similair things, repeat 100000x and things cluster together if they are more similair
1961 2011-03-20 19:20:56 <luke-jr> who is this 13eDj81bs7XVdnbHvoeKgdkEkpmgC9jPpd idiot that's spamming?
1962 2011-03-20 19:22:44 <Lartza> Where? :S
1963 2011-03-20 19:22:56 <Lartza> Is bitcoin like tor where transaction can't be backtraced
1964 2011-03-20 19:23:00 <luke-jr> #bitcoin-watch
1965 2011-03-20 19:23:09 <BlueMatt> Lartza: no
1966 2011-03-20 19:23:10 <Aciid> the fack
1967 2011-03-20 19:23:14 <Aciid> is going on at watch
1968 2011-03-20 19:23:29 <Aciid> something funny is going on
1969 2011-03-20 19:23:34 <Aciid> as luke-jr said
1970 2011-03-20 19:23:35 <Lartza> BlueMatt: Oh...
1971 2011-03-20 19:23:38 <luke-jr> Lartza: effectively yes
1972 2011-03-20 19:23:44 <Lartza> Hmm...
1973 2011-03-20 19:23:48 <Aciid> luke-jr: botnet.
1974 2011-03-20 19:23:53 <BlueMatt> Lartza: you have an address all the txes to/from that address are public
1975 2011-03-20 19:23:56 <luke-jr> Aciid: no reason to think so
1976 2011-03-20 19:23:58 <Lartza> Tor can be traced with multiple malicious computers that all happen to be on tha same route :D
1977 2011-03-20 19:24:04 <BlueMatt> Lartza: you can have/use as many addresses as you want
1978 2011-03-20 19:24:12 <Aciid> luke-jr: it has a new receiving address for every 0.02 transfered
1979 2011-03-20 19:24:13 <Lartza> Yea
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1981 2011-03-20 19:24:20 <luke-jr> Aciid: no
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1983 2011-03-20 19:24:23 <Aciid> or is that a sender
1984 2011-03-20 19:24:27 <luke-jr> Aciid: it has a new change address, that's default
1985 2011-03-20 19:24:28 <Kiba> Myckel: what this large update consists of
1986 2011-03-20 19:24:28 <BlueMatt> Lartza: if you are referring to where a tx came from, then you have to have nodes which are connected to it
1987 2011-03-20 19:24:30 <Lartza> Aciid: Hey! You are the finnish guy? :D
1988 2011-03-20 19:24:39 <Aciid> Lartza: yea, u were askin for me earlier?
1989 2011-03-20 19:24:48 <Lartza> Aciid: Finnsih too, is bitcoin taxed? :)
1990 2011-03-20 19:25:06 <Aciid> Lartza: no way of knowing, I use paypal.
1991 2011-03-20 19:25:14 <luke-jr> Lartza: ask an accountant
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1993 2011-03-20 19:25:22 <luke-jr> Lartza: generally, bitcoin is probably treated like gold
1994 2011-03-20 19:25:24 <Lartza> Aciid: Paypal in some way bitcoin related?
1995 2011-03-20 19:25:55 <Aciid> Lartza: its an online money "handler"/"accountant" service.
1996 2011-03-20 19:26:10 <Myckel> Kiba: more fine grained control about ads being displayed (animated and x-rated ads), publishers can edit settings of their website and get a new interface for the websites they manage.
1997 2011-03-20 19:26:13 <Lartza> I know what paypal is but...
1998 2011-03-20 19:26:24 <Lartza> Aciid: how does it relate with bitcoin taxing? :)
1999 2011-03-20 19:27:04 <Aciid> Lartza: I wash thru it, and if I'd ever need to transfer it to my own account I would not care about the tax part anymore.
2000 2011-03-20 19:27:15 <Aciid> /s/own account/finnish bank account
2001 2011-03-20 19:27:27 <Aciid> Lartza: why you ask?
2002 2011-03-20 19:27:32 <Lartza> Aciid: Yea I am note ven planning to turn bitcoin to real money but selling services with bitcoins etc
2003 2011-03-20 19:27:39 <luke-jr> Lartza: most people silently neglect to pay their taxes
2004 2011-03-20 19:27:42 <Lartza> Aciid: I don't want to pay fines for not reporting taxes :)
2005 2011-03-20 19:27:53 <Lartza> luke-jr: Yea and I figured with bitcoin it is pretty much possible
2006 2011-03-20 19:28:04 <luke-jr> Lartza: still illegal, even if they can't catch you
2007 2011-03-20 19:28:16 <Lartza> And since I am not planning to turn bitcoins to real money...
2008 2011-03-20 19:28:38 <Aciid> Lartza: well i think habbo/facebook credits would apply here as the same
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2010 2011-03-20 19:28:49 <Lartza> Aciid: Kind of...
2011 2011-03-20 19:28:50 <luke-jr> Lartza: most jurisdictions AFAIK have taxes on foreign currency and/or commodity barter
2012 2011-03-20 19:28:53 <Myckel> Man witcoin is addicting... :/
2013 2011-03-20 19:28:56 <Lartza> Aciid: But it's kind of like gold as someone said
2014 2011-03-20 19:29:03 <Lartza> Myckel: Can you profit from it really? :(
2015 2011-03-20 19:29:10 <Lartza> I have minimal coins and want to get more :P
2016 2011-03-20 19:29:16 <BlueMatt> I think for the most part, you are supposed to pay taxes on bitcoin when you sell them back to money
2017 2011-03-20 19:29:25 <Aciid> Lartza: ah poliisi.fi says that there should be 10% tax.
2018 2011-03-20 19:29:32 <Lartza> Aciid: Link? :D
2019 2011-03-20 19:29:39 <Aciid> https://www.poliisi.fi/intermin/hankkeet/blogi/home.nsf/pages/548E7BDAD1674FA5C22576F7002571C0
2020 2011-03-20 19:29:39 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: that speculation has no basis in the US, afaik
2021 2011-03-20 19:29:56 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: is that not what you would do if you mine gold?
2022 2011-03-20 19:29:58 <Myckel> Lartza, I had about 2,7% profit this afternoon... after 2 posts...
2023 2011-03-20 19:30:09 <Aciid> Lartza: ctrl + f "vero"
2024 2011-03-20 19:30:10 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: I don't think so.
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2026 2011-03-20 19:30:14 <Lartza> Myckel: That is still profit :)
2027 2011-03-20 19:30:18 <Lartza> Myckel: Just post quality :)
2028 2011-03-20 19:30:23 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: I know with stocks, you pay the tax when you get it, on its value when you get it
2029 2011-03-20 19:30:25 <Aciid> Lartza: oh sh that was for south korea
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2031 2011-03-20 19:30:37 <Lartza> Aciid: :D
2032 2011-03-20 19:30:48 <Lartza> Aciid: And if you trade habbo coins for someone's sofa? taxes? :D
2033 2011-03-20 19:30:52 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: ah, ok well then I guess that is what you technically should do with bitcoin
2034 2011-03-20 19:31:12 <Myckel> Lartza, now I'm at 0.7%... upvoted some posts and posted some other stuff
2035 2011-03-20 19:31:17 <Lartza> Aciid: There is propably VAT(ALV) for selling bitcoins for euros
2036 2011-03-20 19:31:23 <Lartza> Myckel: :)
2037 2011-03-20 19:31:40 <Aciid> Lartza: I don't trade that much that it would hurt me I think
2038 2011-03-20 19:31:58 <Lartza> Aciid: I think so too and like I said not even planning to turning bitcoins to euros so...
2039 2011-03-20 19:34:16 <Aciid> when is that transfer spam going to end
2040 2011-03-20 19:34:42 <luke-jr> ever? :/
2041 2011-03-20 19:34:57 <Lartza> what does bitcoin-watch do?
2042 2011-03-20 19:35:05 <Lartza> print transfers realtime?
2043 2011-03-20 19:35:11 <BlueMatt> yea
2044 2011-03-20 19:35:12 <BlueMatt> and blocks
2045 2011-03-20 19:35:25 <Lartza> someone sending 0.03 all the time
2046 2011-03-20 19:35:29 <Lartza> He could send me :D
2047 2011-03-20 19:35:39 <BlueMatt> yea tx floods have become common
2048 2011-03-20 19:35:48 <BlueMatt> they dont really hurt anyone though
2049 2011-03-20 19:35:55 <Lartza> There should be a delay to transfers possibly?
2050 2011-03-20 19:36:03 <Lartza> Though... 10 seconds or so isn't really a benefit
2051 2011-03-20 19:36:06 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: they hurt my bot
2052 2011-03-20 19:36:15 <Aciid> yes
2053 2011-03-20 19:36:15 <Lartza> And more will obstruct transfers
2054 2011-03-20 19:36:31 <Lartza> And since 10 secs per address one could create new ones so...
2055 2011-03-20 19:36:34 <[Tycho]> They make chain bigger :(
2056 2011-03-20 19:36:39 <BlueMatt> though we should limit txes per time from/to an individual address
2057 2011-03-20 19:37:01 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: then they'll just gen a new address
2058 2011-03-20 19:37:09 <Aciid> some %¤%#% slashdotter is making fun of us again
2059 2011-03-20 19:37:18 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: yea but it would slow them down
2060 2011-03-20 19:37:27 <[Tycho]> BlueMatt, not at all.
2061 2011-03-20 19:37:28 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: in terms of splitting up the original 50 etc
2062 2011-03-20 19:37:49 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: not really
2063 2011-03-20 19:37:58 <[Tycho]> BlueMatt, flooding is scripted and creating new address won't delay any script.
2064 2011-03-20 19:38:10 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: each address would end up with 3 unique addresses instead of 2
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2066 2011-03-20 19:38:16 <Validus> oh lord
2067 2011-03-20 19:38:20 <Validus> why did i click here now
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2069 2011-03-20 19:38:28 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: not what I was referring to
2070 2011-03-20 19:38:32 * Validus takes away robotarmy's wd40
2071 2011-03-20 19:38:35 <BlueMatt> but nevermind
2072 2011-03-20 19:38:41 <BlueMatt> one sendmany and it would be worthless
2073 2011-03-20 19:38:55 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: don't even need sendmany
2074 2011-03-20 19:39:06 <luke-jr> change already goes to a new address
2075 2011-03-20 19:39:15 <rlifchitz> ;;bc,stats
2076 2011-03-20 19:39:18 <[Tycho]> Why would flooder use sendmany ?
2077 2011-03-20 19:39:24 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: yea but to split up a 50 into enough to do a flood, you have to send to many addresses
2078 2011-03-20 19:39:29 <BlueMatt> originally
2079 2011-03-20 19:39:36 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114289 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 622 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 1 hour, 27 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 66013.46059851
2080 2011-03-20 19:39:37 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: um, no
2081 2011-03-20 19:39:42 <BlueMatt> assuming you limit the number of txes per address per time
2082 2011-03-20 19:39:48 <Aciid> gribble getting crippled
2083 2011-03-20 19:39:49 <BlueMatt> hence my original statement is wrong
2084 2011-03-20 19:39:55 <luke-jr> you send the 50 BTC -> A 0.02, B 49.98
2085 2011-03-20 19:40:06 <luke-jr> then you send B -> C 0.02, D 49.96
2086 2011-03-20 19:40:09 <luke-jr> D -> …
2087 2011-03-20 19:40:39 <luke-jr> that's how an ordinary everyday tx works
2088 2011-03-20 19:40:50 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: ok well I meant limit the number of times one chain of txes can be used per time
2089 2011-03-20 19:43:36 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: #yandere
2090 2011-03-20 19:45:14 <robotarmy> :d
2091 2011-03-20 19:45:14 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: how does that game even work?
2092 2011-03-20 19:45:21 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: PHP
2093 2011-03-20 19:45:28 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: I meant the rules ;)
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2095 2011-03-20 19:45:38 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: see the topic
2096 2011-03-20 19:46:04 <BlueMatt> too confusing
2097 2011-03-20 19:46:12 <luke-jr> lol
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2100 2011-03-20 19:49:10 <BlueMatt> at&t buying t-mobile usa...and then there were only three
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2103 2011-03-20 19:58:23 <robotarmy> BlueMatt: oyo
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2108 2011-03-20 20:07:58 * overtorque is away: LaTeRzzz !!!!*&^%^!!! :D :D
2109 2011-03-20 20:08:00 <xelister> if A pays to B, where B is another wallet of same person
2110 2011-03-20 20:08:08 <xelister> and later B sands to own another wallet C
2111 2011-03-20 20:08:12 <xelister> and from C buys something
2112 2011-03-20 20:08:17 <xelister> how is it easy to trace?
2113 2011-03-20 20:09:02 <BlueMatt> xelister: its not
2114 2011-03-20 20:09:11 <BlueMatt> but someone with enough talent and guessing skill could
2115 2011-03-20 20:09:38 <xelister> ok but what needs to be done to trace that
2116 2011-03-20 20:09:55 <xelister> oveserve network traffic proving that wallets B and C belong e.g. to same IP as A right?
2117 2011-03-20 20:09:58 <BlueMatt> xelister: you just go to blockexplorer and find the original tx then click the outputs
2118 2011-03-20 20:10:22 <xelister> because I was thinking, do we really need laundering service,  what about just self-sending to other own wallets, best with secure transport or other IPs
2119 2011-03-20 20:10:51 <BlueMatt> xelister: you dont need any kind of secure transport unless someone is doing some real work to have a ton of nodes on the network
2120 2011-03-20 20:14:19 <sipa> xelister: it's very very hard to link wallet addresses to IPs
2121 2011-03-20 20:14:59 <BlueMatt> you would have to have a huge chunk of the network
2122 2011-03-20 20:15:31 <xelister> BlueMatt: well if IP is static, you can get good guess probably quite easly
2123 2011-03-20 20:15:45 <BlueMatt> xelister: only if you are directly connected to that node
2124 2011-03-20 20:16:26 <xelister> BlueMatt: if you are a bit further, you can time-stamp
2125 2011-03-20 20:16:39 <xelister> also, if you are gov working with ISP, you see all traffics at once
2126 2011-03-20 20:17:08 <BlueMatt> xelister: well if you are working with an isp you effectively are connected to the node
2127 2011-03-20 20:17:49 <BlueMatt> xelister: if you are a bit further you can guess which ip of the node which you heard it from is connected to but you cant be sure
2128 2011-03-20 20:18:07 <BlueMatt> only after watching for a long time
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2130 2011-03-20 20:26:59 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: you should close issue 119
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2140 2011-03-20 20:46:57 <isilion> hi all. i dunno if this channel is intended to give support, but ill ask anyway: i got 3 pcs under the same router (they share external IP), running at same time bitcoin saving each one in a wallet file. Are they 'competing' in between, harvesting the same blocks, or 'cooperating', and they will finish sooner the 'run' ?
2141 2011-03-20 20:47:25 <mehhhhhhh> didn't know you could share a wallet file....
2142 2011-03-20 20:47:33 <mehhhhhhh> but they are cooperating
2143 2011-03-20 20:47:35 <isilion> no, i didnt
2144 2011-03-20 20:47:42 <isilion> how can i share a wallet?
2145 2011-03-20 20:47:44 <mehhhhhhh> ohh
2146 2011-03-20 20:47:49 <mehhhhhhh> I see, sorry, read it wrong
2147 2011-03-20 20:47:50 <BlueMatt> isilion: no not currently
2148 2011-03-20 20:48:09 <BlueMatt> isilion: they are not really competing but it would be better to run one on the network and two with -connect
2149 2011-03-20 20:48:11 <mehhhhhhh> you are fine, they are working together
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2151 2011-03-20 20:48:27 <BlueMatt> mehhhhhhh: no they aren't
2152 2011-03-20 20:48:27 <isilion> ok
2153 2011-03-20 20:48:34 <isilion> oh...
2154 2011-03-20 20:48:38 <BlueMatt> if you are mining they are all working for their wallets
2155 2011-03-20 20:48:41 <BlueMatt> so all working
2156 2011-03-20 20:48:46 <isilion> be clear please :)
2157 2011-03-20 20:48:59 <BlueMatt> but in terms of network, it would be better to run one on the network and 2 with -connect-
2158 2011-03-20 20:49:04 <isilion> i see some discent
2159 2011-03-20 20:49:05 <isilion> ok
2160 2011-03-20 20:49:07 <isilion> but
2161 2011-03-20 20:49:16 <isilion> ok im going to try
2162 2011-03-20 20:49:19 <BlueMatt> that wouldnt effect mining at all
2163 2011-03-20 20:49:56 <isilion> how can i set bitcoind as a boot up loading daemon, and configure 1pc as 'master' and 2 with 'connect'?
2164 2011-03-20 20:49:56 <BlueMatt> if you plan on mining with three computers and dont need 3 wallets, its even better to just run one bitcoin and 2 rpc miners
2165 2011-03-20 20:50:23 <BlueMatt> isilion: are you just planning on using the other two computers just because you want to mine?
2166 2011-03-20 20:50:59 <isilion> i would like to produce some currency and donate to Pirate Party (ES)
2167 2011-03-20 20:51:23 <BlueMatt> isilion: if you are planning on mining and just using cpu power you aren't gonna make much of anything
2168 2011-03-20 20:51:46 <BlueMatt> isilion: you are much better off joining a pool
2169 2011-03-20 20:51:46 <isilion> :7
2170 2011-03-20 20:52:02 <isilion> what is a pool?
2171 2011-03-20 20:52:11 <BlueMatt> you wont make any less just instead of waiting a yea for 50 btc you will get that spread across the year
2172 2011-03-20 20:52:23 <isilion> i know
2173 2011-03-20 20:52:29 <BlueMatt> a pool is where a bunch of miners work together to mine
2174 2011-03-20 20:52:33 <isilion> the thing is i gotta cluster
2175 2011-03-20 20:52:50 <isilion> of 4 pcs and 2 are permanently online
2176 2011-03-20 20:52:51 <BlueMatt> and when a block is found the pool distributes the 50 btc across all the miners
2177 2011-03-20 20:53:03 <isilion> (1 is down for repairs actually)
2178 2011-03-20 20:53:06 <BlueMatt> isilion: http://mining.bitcoin.cz/
2179 2011-03-20 20:53:16 <BlueMatt> you wont make much but maybe .01 btc/day on cpu power
2180 2011-03-20 20:53:30 <BlueMatt> if you have a high-end graphics card you can make something that is actually reasonable
2181 2011-03-20 20:53:35 <isilion> but in a year Pirate Party will be candidate for national elections
2182 2011-03-20 20:53:47 <isilion> and atm it accepts this kind of donations
2183 2011-03-20 20:53:54 <isilion> so in a year i can make 150 bucks
2184 2011-03-20 20:53:58 <isilion> im right?
2185 2011-03-20 20:53:59 <BlueMatt> isilion: then buy some btc on #bitcoin-otc or mtgox and donate them
2186 2011-03-20 20:54:02 <isilion> BTCbucks
2187 2011-03-20 20:54:14 <BlueMatt> isilion: how many khash do you get?
2188 2011-03-20 20:54:34 <isilion> 1800 with all of them together
2189 2011-03-20 20:54:45 <BlueMatt> ;;bc,calc 1800
2190 2011-03-20 20:54:47 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1800 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 5 years, 39 weeks, 6 days, 5 hours, 38 minutes, and 16 seconds
2191 2011-03-20 20:54:54 <BlueMatt> yea 50 btc across 5 years
2192 2011-03-20 20:55:26 <isilion> well
2193 2011-03-20 20:55:38 <isilion> so '15' BTCbucks in a year
2194 2011-03-20 20:55:45 <BlueMatt> roughly
2195 2011-03-20 20:55:55 <isilion> sounds adecuate amount for me
2196 2011-03-20 20:55:56 <BlueMatt> +- a ton
2197 2011-03-20 20:56:06 <BlueMatt> and spend more on power then you will get
2198 2011-03-20 20:56:25 <BlueMatt> you are better off donating the money you will spend on power to the pirate party
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2200 2011-03-20 20:56:38 <nanotube> unless you don't pay for electricity. heh.
2201 2011-03-20 20:56:43 <BlueMatt> or buying btc with that money and donating that
2202 2011-03-20 20:56:53 <BlueMatt> (help bitcoin while you are at it)
2203 2011-03-20 20:57:07 <nanotube> so pirate party accepts bitcoin eh? nice :)
2204 2011-03-20 20:57:19 <BlueMatt> isilion: which country's pirate party?
2205 2011-03-20 20:57:25 <isilion> the pcs will be online in any way, so supply is not a waste
2206 2011-03-20 20:57:28 <isilion> ES
2207 2011-03-20 20:57:30 <isilion> spain
2208 2011-03-20 20:57:43 <BlueMatt> isilion: a pc will use a ton more power working than just idling
2209 2011-03-20 20:57:45 <mehh> So mining under 2000 Khps is pretty much worthless? If so, is there any way to get some start up capital?
2210 2011-03-20 20:57:54 <lyspooner> i could probably make more money generating bitcoin for a month than i could whoring my body for bitcoins for a month
2211 2011-03-20 20:57:58 <BlueMatt> mehh: mtgox or #bitcoin-otc
2212 2011-03-20 20:58:10 <nanotube> someone should add that to the wiki Trade page, if it's true that pirate party spain accepts bitcoin donations.
2213 2011-03-20 20:58:18 <BlueMatt> lyspooner: probably because there are 20 people in the world who will buy a hooker for btc
2214 2011-03-20 20:58:40 <mehh> I'll try to get the PPNL to accept bitcoins :)
2215 2011-03-20 20:58:50 <tcatm> what was the name of the python client again?
2216 2011-03-20 20:58:57 <nanotube> mehh: startup capital? put in some fiat currency, and there's your startup capital. :)
2217 2011-03-20 20:58:57 <mehhhhhhh> poclbm
2218 2011-03-20 20:59:15 <nanotube> tcatm: client? the one genjix was worknig on?
2219 2011-03-20 20:59:19 <isilion> thi idea in the Party is to mine all together to donate to the party
2220 2011-03-20 20:59:24 mehhhhhhh is now known as Nah
2221 2011-03-20 20:59:26 <isilion> so my 2000 khps are worthy
2222 2011-03-20 20:59:46 <isilion> (take note of the wordgame)
2223 2011-03-20 20:59:54 <tcatm> nanotube: no, I think it was a real client (i.e. connects to port 8333)
2224 2011-03-20 20:59:56 <BlueMatt> isilion: if you pay for power again just buy btc and donate them
2225 2011-03-20 21:00:00 <tcatm> and not half client ;)
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2227 2011-03-20 21:00:13 <nanotube> isilion: yes, but again, it depends on your goals. if your goal is to make maximum benefit to the party, then spending $100 to buy 1 bitcoin via generation is not so efficient. :)
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2229 2011-03-20 21:00:20 <nanotube> tcatm: ah in that case dunno :)
2230 2011-03-20 21:00:31 <isilion> hummm
2231 2011-03-20 21:00:44 <isilion> i will comment that on the mail lists
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2233 2011-03-20 21:00:50 <isilion> at the moment
2234 2011-03-20 21:01:05 <isilion> just tell me how to configure bitcoind, please
2235 2011-03-20 21:01:05 <BlueMatt> isilion: if you have a high end ati gpu you can make more btc then it costs in power though
2236 2011-03-20 21:01:08 <nanotube> then again, if a bunch of yo uare not paying for power, then it'd be 'free bitcoins'. so it depends :)
2237 2011-03-20 21:01:16 <isilion> 1) to run on startup on 3 pcs
2238 2011-03-20 21:01:39 <BlueMatt> isilion: run one bitcoind and 2 rpc miners
2239 2011-03-20 21:01:42 <isilion> 2) one as 'master' and 2 with 'connect
2240 2011-03-20 21:01:56 <isilion> 3) sharing wallet if possible, and if not, best solution
2241 2011-03-20 21:01:56 <BlueMatt> isilion: or one bitcoind and two bitcoind -connect=master server's ip
2242 2011-03-20 21:02:03 <BlueMatt> and -gen=1 on all of them
2243 2011-03-20 21:02:04 <isilion> ok
2244 2011-03-20 21:02:14 <isilion> how do i set up as daemon
2245 2011-03-20 21:02:20 <BlueMatt> run bitcoind instead of bitcoin
2246 2011-03-20 21:02:26 <isilion> that launchs at srtartup
2247 2011-03-20 21:02:26 <tcatm> found it. pycoin. but it doesn't seem to keep a blockchain
2248 2011-03-20 21:02:28 <BlueMatt> (via command prompt is best)
2249 2011-03-20 21:02:37 <lyspooner> are there public rewards/contests to break Sha2 besides bitcoin?
2250 2011-03-20 21:02:39 <isilion> ok
2251 2011-03-20 21:02:49 <nanotube> BlueMatt: best to run jgarzik's cpu miner on all of them, than the stock bitcoind.
2252 2011-03-20 21:02:51 <BlueMatt> lyspooner: Im sure if you look
2253 2011-03-20 21:03:00 <BlueMatt> nanotube: I agree, hence my first comment
2254 2011-03-20 21:03:02 <lyspooner> bluematt: thanks
2255 2011-03-20 21:03:10 <BlueMatt> lyspooner: maybe the nsa? it is their standard
2256 2011-03-20 21:03:25 <BlueMatt> tcatm: wait is it a working thin client?
2257 2011-03-20 21:03:38 <nanotube> isilion: best to run the jgarzik cpu miner to mine, rather than the bitcoin client. the cpuminer is more efficient. more hashrate.
2258 2011-03-20 21:03:40 <tcatm> BlueMatt: looks like a low level network lib
2259 2011-03-20 21:03:41 <Validus> i dont pay for my power its great
2260 2011-03-20 21:03:46 <Validus> well i do but a fixed amount
2261 2011-03-20 21:04:03 <isilion> so in master: $ bitcoind setgenerate true ; and in 'slaves' $ bitcoind setgenerate true -connect=192.168.0.193 ; righht?
2262 2011-03-20 21:04:05 <BlueMatt> tcatm: oh
2263 2011-03-20 21:04:15 <tcatm> I just wrote a python client that keeps the blockchain in a sql database and I wondered if someone else solved that before.
2264 2011-03-20 21:04:18 <nanotube> isilion: nope, best use cpuminer.
2265 2011-03-20 21:04:25 <BlueMatt> isilion: better: bitcoind -gen=1 and cpu miners on the others
2266 2011-03-20 21:04:39 <nanotube> BlueMatt: even better, gen=0 on all, and cpuminer on all.
2267 2011-03-20 21:04:48 <isilion> ...
2268 2011-03-20 21:04:53 <BlueMatt> isilion: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1925.0
2269 2011-03-20 21:05:00 <isilion> make a decision lol
2270 2011-03-20 21:05:04 <BlueMatt> nanotube: really jgarzik's miner is that much more efficient?
2271 2011-03-20 21:05:05 <isilion> youre the devs
2272 2011-03-20 21:05:06 <isilion> xD
2273 2011-03-20 21:05:12 <BlueMatt> I though bitcoin mainline used the same algo?
2274 2011-03-20 21:05:20 <BlueMatt> or does it not use 4way?
2275 2011-03-20 21:05:33 <nanotube> BlueMatt: that was my understanding... the asm32 algo should be "much better"
2276 2011-03-20 21:05:34 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: mainline fell behind quite a bit
2277 2011-03-20 21:05:43 <jgarzik> sse2_64 is much, much better
2278 2011-03-20 21:05:49 <nanotube> mm
2279 2011-03-20 21:05:50 <BlueMatt> isilion: in any case on the main node bitcoind -gen=0 and on that and the others use the link I just sent
2280 2011-03-20 21:05:58 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: oh ok
2281 2011-03-20 21:06:52 <isilion> OOOK... so atm i will stick to bitcoind with that arguments, but i promise ill check other clients...
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2283 2011-03-20 21:08:21 <isilion> oh and one more thing
2284 2011-03-20 21:08:24 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: Im assuming you dont deal with windows building?
2285 2011-03-20 21:08:52 <isilion> is there any other place where to get 'free' bitcoins? as the 0.05 BTC associated with my google's
2286 2011-03-20 21:09:01 <BlueMatt> isilion: no
2287 2011-03-20 21:09:20 <isilion> ok
2288 2011-03-20 21:09:23 <BlueMatt> isilion: no one likes to give out free money ;)
2289 2011-03-20 21:09:41 <luke-jr> isilion: ask nicely and I may give free TBC
2290 2011-03-20 21:09:44 <BlueMatt> only gavin has faucet because he wants to get people using it and gives out .05 to play around with
2291 2011-03-20 21:10:13 <isilion> in Spanish we have a word for oldies 5 cent and 1 cent coins, 'duros' and 'pesetas'
2292 2011-03-20 21:10:35 <isilion> there is a saying: 'No one give duros in exchange of pesetas'
2293 2011-03-20 21:13:56 <isilion> :)
2294 2011-03-20 21:16:35 <isilion> hey
2295 2011-03-20 21:16:50 <isilion> -gen=0 makes the daemon to start without generating
2296 2011-03-20 21:16:53 <isilion> this is right?
2297 2011-03-20 21:16:57 <BlueMatt> yea
2298 2011-03-20 21:17:01 <isilion> only on the slaves isnt it?
2299 2011-03-20 21:17:23 <BlueMatt> isilion: if you are using three mainline clients to generate (bad idea) then -gen=1 on all of them
2300 2011-03-20 21:17:33 <isilion> why bad idea?
2301 2011-03-20 21:17:42 <BlueMatt> you should do -gen=0 on all three and use jgarzik's miner (gets better performance)
2302 2011-03-20 21:17:56 <isilion> and what are suppose to do if it is not generating?
2303 2011-03-20 21:18:03 <isilion> just transactions?
2304 2011-03-20 21:18:15 <BlueMatt> isilion: just one bitcoin to get blocks and txes
2305 2011-03-20 21:18:20 <BlueMatt> and communicate with the network
2306 2011-03-20 21:18:28 <BlueMatt> then three rpc miners to do the actual work
2307 2011-03-20 21:18:50 <isilion> ok
2308 2011-03-20 21:19:09 <isilion> soooo... bitcoind -gen=1 on the master, almost, right?
2309 2011-03-20 21:19:15 <isilion> and 0 on the slaves
2310 2011-03-20 21:19:22 <isilion> and i will produce the same?
2311 2011-03-20 21:19:29 <isilion> the 15 bucks i calculated?
2312 2011-03-20 21:19:30 <andrew12> hi
2313 2011-03-20 21:19:55 <BlueMatt> isilion: no -gen=0 on all three (the master and slaves)
2314 2011-03-20 21:20:02 <BlueMatt> the point is you will get a tter performance
2315 2011-03-20 21:20:11 <BlueMatt> *tiny bit better*
2316 2011-03-20 21:20:13 <isilion> o.Ô
2317 2011-03-20 21:20:21 <tcatm> are there any statistics of how many transactions the blockchain contains?
2318 2011-03-20 21:20:27 <isilion> but will produce coins, if no generate option is set?
2319 2011-03-20 21:20:30 <isilion> im lost
2320 2011-03-20 21:20:32 <isilion> xD
2321 2011-03-20 21:20:39 <sipa> isilion: you won't be using the generation built into the bitcoin program itself, but a separate program which only does generating
2322 2011-03-20 21:20:47 <sipa> but it needs a bitcoin program to communicate with
2323 2011-03-20 21:20:57 <isilion> ohhh i get it
2324 2011-03-20 21:21:05 <BlueMatt> isilion: its better to just connect the miners to a pool
2325 2011-03-20 21:21:06 <isilion> and that program is jgarzik's miner
2326 2011-03-20 21:21:10 <sipa> yes
2327 2011-03-20 21:21:12 <isilion> is it in debian repo?
2328 2011-03-20 21:21:16 <sipa> doubt it
2329 2011-03-20 21:21:21 <BlueMatt> especially if you arent gonna get a block but once per 3 years
2330 2011-03-20 21:21:26 <sipa> and you can connect 3 such miners on a single bitcoin program
2331 2011-03-20 21:21:31 <isilion> can you put a link?
2332 2011-03-20 21:21:33 <BlueMatt> isilion: http://mining.bitcoin.cz/
2333 2011-03-20 21:21:34 <sipa> and it doesn't need to run on the same machine
2334 2011-03-20 21:21:37 <BlueMatt> that is the most common one
2335 2011-03-20 21:21:38 <isilion> my god how messy xD
2336 2011-03-20 21:21:48 <BlueMatt> isilion: then you dont need a bitcoin program
2337 2011-03-20 21:21:54 <BlueMatt> except to make yourself an address
2338 2011-03-20 21:21:58 <sipa> indeed, that's probablt the best choice
2339 2011-03-20 21:22:21 <isilion> i got the bitcoin and addres associated to my wallet and password
2340 2011-03-20 21:22:29 <isilion> for that instance im done
2341 2011-03-20 21:23:03 <BlueMatt> isilion: so join at the pool linked and set up an account
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2343 2011-03-20 21:23:37 <isilion> ok
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2345 2011-03-20 21:23:56 <isilion> i see CPU miners, GPU miners, and CPU/GPU
2346 2011-03-20 21:24:04 <sipa> you'll be using a CPU miner
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2348 2011-03-20 21:24:09 <isilion> won't be the GPU/CPU better than the first?
2349 2011-03-20 21:24:13 <sipa> unless you have very decent graphic cards
2350 2011-03-20 21:24:18 <isilion> hummm
2351 2011-03-20 21:24:20 <BlueMatt> isilion: what kind of gpu do you have?
2352 2011-03-20 21:24:32 <isilion> radeon 9600 pro and geforce 6200
2353 2011-03-20 21:24:56 <sipa> are they listed here? https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
2354 2011-03-20 21:25:07 <sipa> doesn't seem so
2355 2011-03-20 21:25:14 <BlueMatt> so probably cant mine
2356 2011-03-20 21:25:16 <sipa> in that case, you just use the CPU miner
2357 2011-03-20 21:25:23 <BlueMatt> ie no opencl support (required)
2358 2011-03-20 21:25:31 <sipa> opencl or cuda
2359 2011-03-20 21:25:37 <isilion> nope
2360 2011-03-20 21:25:39 <BlueMatt> yea
2361 2011-03-20 21:25:51 <isilion> those are very high end
2362 2011-03-20 21:26:08 <BlueMatt> yea you need a high end one to mine
2363 2011-03-20 21:26:14 <BlueMatt> well not high end but recent gen
2364 2011-03-20 21:26:31 <isilion> ok
2365 2011-03-20 21:28:10 <BlueMatt> WOOOOO PROPER WINDOWS BUILD
2366 2011-03-20 21:28:17 <BlueMatt> </caps>
2367 2011-03-20 21:28:33 <Kiba> for a brief time in bitcoin history
2368 2011-03-20 21:28:47 <Kiba> there are 66666 posts
2369 2011-03-20 21:28:52 <Kiba> in the bitcoin forum
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2372 2011-03-20 21:29:32 <Blitzboom> a glorious moment, Kiba
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2374 2011-03-20 21:30:03 <BlueMatt> will post a windows server 2003 bitcoin build vmware image tomorrow :)
2375 2011-03-20 21:30:15 <tcatm> cool
2376 2011-03-20 21:30:25 * tcatm waits for the next block
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2379 2011-03-20 21:32:52 <[Tycho]> cool
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2381 2011-03-20 21:38:12 Nah is now known as TEMPNICK
2382 2011-03-20 21:38:13 <BlueMatt> anyone want to mirror a 10GB bitcoin build vmware image?
2383 2011-03-20 21:38:42 <Aciid> 10GB ? does it have munchies?
2384 2011-03-20 21:38:46 <[Tycho]> Oh...
2385 2011-03-20 21:38:53 <BlueMatt> its a windows install
2386 2011-03-20 21:39:03 <[Tycho]> You should have used windows-2000 instead :)
2387 2011-03-20 21:39:05 <BlueMatt> though I guess I could just tar the directories of MinGW etc
2388 2011-03-20 21:39:15 <BlueMatt> I guess that would work...
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2390 2011-03-20 21:39:31 <BlueMatt> oh well Ill look at options tomorrow
2391 2011-03-20 21:39:40 <BlueMatt> atleast I have a properly building environment :)
2392 2011-03-20 21:39:43 <Aciid> BlueMatt: doesnt vmware support grow on demand
2393 2011-03-20 21:39:44 <Aciid> =D
2394 2011-03-20 21:39:55 <Kiba> https://gist.github.com/878669
2395 2011-03-20 21:39:57 <Kiba> so folks
2396 2011-03-20 21:40:03 <Kiba> it said it cannot find the command rake
2397 2011-03-20 21:40:38 <BlueMatt> Aciid: it does, but I typically disable it on my server (efficiency, plus I know just how much drive space I use)
2398 2011-03-20 21:40:46 <BlueMatt> plus the install uses like 8G anyway
2399 2011-03-20 21:40:51 <sipa> what language is that, Kiba?
2400 2011-03-20 21:41:43 <Kiba> sipa: oops
2401 2011-03-20 21:41:45 <Kiba> wrong channel
2402 2011-03-20 21:41:55 <isilion> ok i got minerd compiled and installed in the 3 pcs...
2403 2011-03-20 21:42:21 <isilion> can someone tell me the best command arguments to launch it? you know what im intended
2404 2011-03-20 21:42:24 <isilion> to do
2405 2011-03-20 21:42:40 <BlueMatt> isilion: probably default will work well
2406 2011-03-20 21:42:44 <BlueMatt> with -t corecount
2407 2011-03-20 21:43:00 <isilion> ok
2408 2011-03-20 21:43:14 <BlueMatt> ie -t 4
2409 2011-03-20 21:43:25 <isilion> got p4 with ht
2410 2011-03-20 21:43:31 <isilion> all of them
2411 2011-03-20 21:43:36 <isilion> should be 1 or 2?
2412 2011-03-20 21:43:36 <BlueMatt> so probably -t 2
2413 2011-03-20 21:43:47 <isilion> pl
2414 2011-03-20 21:43:48 <isilion> ok
2415 2011-03-20 21:43:55 <BlueMatt> and probably not use 4way
2416 2011-03-20 21:44:00 <BlueMatt> but the asm version
2417 2011-03-20 21:44:09 <BlueMatt> (only available if you compiled on or for 32-bit)
2418 2011-03-20 21:44:36 <isilion> i just typed make;make install;
2419 2011-03-20 21:44:46 <drazak> /win 36
2420 2011-03-20 21:44:46 <drazak> brb
2421 2011-03-20 21:44:47 <BlueMatt> are you on a 32-bit install or 64?
2422 2011-03-20 21:44:57 <isilion> 32 bit install on 32 bit cpu
2423 2011-03-20 21:45:02 <BlueMatt> ok
2424 2011-03-20 21:45:07 <BlueMatt> then chose the asm algo
2425 2011-03-20 21:45:23 <BlueMatt> -a cryptopp_asm32
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2427 2011-03-20 21:45:51 <isilion> minerd -a cryptopp_asm32 -t 2
2428 2011-03-20 21:45:53 <isilion> right?
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2432 2011-03-20 21:48:47 <xelister> *ding* *ding* *ding*
2433 2011-03-20 21:48:53 <xelister> bubble bursting bell just went off
2434 2011-03-20 21:49:09 <xelister> 0.70 - going to 0.60 ?
2435 2011-03-20 21:51:10 <sipa> oh noes, panic!
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2437 2011-03-20 21:51:47 <sipa> you better sell them all, i'll pay you $0.5 for each!
2438 2011-03-20 21:53:52 <xelister> thank you sire
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2442 2011-03-20 22:00:03 <isilion> i got this error with minerd:
2443 2011-03-20 22:00:09 <isilion> HTTP request failed: The requested URL returned error: 401 json_rpc_call failed, retry after 30 seconds
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2447 2011-03-20 22:03:19 <sipa> hmm, what is the suggested way for adding options to rpc calls
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2449 2011-03-20 22:03:51 <sipa> i imagine something like ./bitcoind importwallet --add-reserve-keys file.bitkeys
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2451 2011-03-20 22:09:38 <sipa> but that's not really what rpc is aimed for
2452 2011-03-20 22:13:15 <tcatm> couldn't you json encode file.bitkeys contents and pass it as the first argument?
2453 2011-03-20 22:14:26 <tcatm> I think we should split the rpc client and server
2454 2011-03-20 22:14:45 <sipa> sure, a "nice" bitcoin rpc client could do such things
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2456 2011-03-20 22:15:40 <sipa> pass the contents via JSON, and let the (optional, in that case) convertion from/to bitkeys to the RPC client
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2458 2011-03-20 22:16:39 <tcatm> http://pastebin.com/Nqhq1FUs
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2460 2011-03-20 22:21:25 <sipa> i think that's a much longer solution in the long term
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2464 2011-03-20 22:26:13 <isilion> hi again
2465 2011-03-20 22:26:36 <isilion> i successfully installed minerd and now its running on the 3 pcs, linked to the master server
2466 2011-03-20 22:26:54 <isilion> how can i see khps ?
2467 2011-03-20 22:27:03 <isilion> of minerd
2468 2011-03-20 22:27:21 <sipa> doesn't it just tell you?
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2470 2011-03-20 22:27:49 <isilion> where?
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2472 2011-03-20 22:28:21 <sipa> in the console where they're running or something like that?
2473 2011-03-20 22:28:38 <isilion> they re running on the background
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2475 2011-03-20 22:33:47 <isilion> this is all the op: 2 miner threads started, using SHA256 'cryptopp_asm32' algorithm.
2476 2011-03-20 22:39:54 <jgarzik> isilion: the program runs in the foregound
2477 2011-03-20 22:40:25 <isilion> MINERD??
2478 2011-03-20 22:40:39 <isilion> im not talking about bitcoin huh?
2479 2011-03-20 22:40:57 <Mango-chan> ;;bc,stats
2480 2011-03-20 22:40:59 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114312 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 599 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 19 hours, 48 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 66446.48978139
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2484 2011-03-20 22:48:08 <tcatm> http://pastebin.com/Nqhq1FUs
2485 2011-03-20 22:48:29 <tcatm> mhm stupid window manager.
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2491 2011-03-20 22:59:44 <luke-jr> isilion: you know CPU mining is worthless?
2492 2011-03-20 23:03:11 <isilion> your own stat bot said almost 15 BTC in a year
2493 2011-03-20 23:03:19 <isilion> for me it's worthy
2494 2011-03-20 23:04:24 <isilion> even taking care of the power consumption
2495 2011-03-20 23:04:28 <luke-jr> isilion: no, it didn't.
2496 2011-03-20 23:04:28 <isilion> :)
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2498 2011-03-20 23:05:04 <luke-jr> isilion: there is no guarantee, and you can only get 50 BTC at a time
2499 2011-03-20 23:05:38 <luke-jr> also, that estimate of how long it takes, changes (usually upward) every 2 weeks
2500 2011-03-20 23:06:02 <isilion> someone must make coins in order of being decentralized right?
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2502 2011-03-20 23:08:38 <isilion> if you disincourage ppl from generating coins, all BTC will belong to Google i.e or largely mining clusters
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2510 2011-03-20 23:15:20 <luke-jr> isilion: you will never generate coins with a CPU
2511 2011-03-20 23:15:37 <luke-jr> it's more probable of winning the lottery now, I think
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2535 2011-03-20 23:20:05 <sipa> ;;bc,stats
2536 2011-03-20 23:20:08 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114314 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 597 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 19 hours, 45 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 66290.60118229
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2538 2011-03-20 23:22:35 <jostmey> .
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2546 2011-03-20 23:35:01 <joepie91> daaaaaamn
2547 2011-03-20 23:35:05 <joepie91> that startssl site is shitty
2548 2011-03-20 23:35:27 <[Tycho]> :)
2549 2011-03-20 23:36:00 <joepie91> jesus
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2551 2011-03-20 23:36:03 <joepie91> seriously
2552 2011-03-20 23:36:07 <joepie91> I open it in chrome
2553 2011-03-20 23:36:12 <joepie91> "OH OUR FORMS DONT WORK IN CHROME"
2554 2011-03-20 23:36:19 <joepie91> I open it in firefox, form at least loads
2555 2011-03-20 23:36:24 <joepie91> I enter my details
2556 2011-03-20 23:36:25 <joepie91> press submit
2557 2011-03-20 23:36:28 <joepie91> poof, TOS page
2558 2011-03-20 23:36:30 <joepie91> no form submitted
2559 2011-03-20 23:36:33 <joepie91> and I'm like, wtf
2560 2011-03-20 23:36:39 <joepie91> I go back, filled in details gone
2561 2011-03-20 23:36:41 <genjix> haha yes i have the same problem with startssl
2562 2011-03-20 23:36:44 <joepie91> re-entered all of it
2563 2011-03-20 23:36:48 <joepie91> resubmitted
2564 2011-03-20 23:36:49 <eps1> ;;bc,stats
2565 2011-03-20 23:36:51 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114316 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 595 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 19 hours, 11 minutes, and 55 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 66333.60248351
2566 2011-03-20 23:36:52 <joepie91> it makes my browser go back and forth twice
2567 2011-03-20 23:36:58 <joepie91> then firefox asks me if I want to resubmit
2568 2011-03-20 23:37:00 <joepie91> (wtf?)
2569 2011-03-20 23:37:04 <joepie91> and THEN i get my panel
2570 2011-03-20 23:37:06 * joepie91 facepalms
2571 2011-03-20 23:37:28 <joepie91> these guys do website ssl certificates, and then don't know how to build a proper site? >.<
2572 2011-03-20 23:37:55 <genjix> did you get a certificate?
2573 2011-03-20 23:38:17 <joepie91> busy trying to make one..
2574 2011-03-20 23:38:18 <joepie91> ..
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2576 2011-03-20 23:38:25 <joepie91> partially dutch and english now o_O
2577 2011-03-20 23:38:29 <joepie91> with bits of german mixed in
2578 2011-03-20 23:38:45 <genjix> ok because that site needed an email from me
2579 2011-03-20 23:38:54 <genjix> but it's going to take 2 days to setup
2580 2011-03-20 23:39:08 <genjix> esp since the sysop isn't technical at all
2581 2011-03-20 23:39:20 <genjix> (he didn't know what a GPG key was, wtf)
2582 2011-03-20 23:39:22 <joepie91> god.
2583 2011-03-20 23:39:24 <joepie91> wtf is this
2584 2011-03-20 23:39:25 <joepie91> lol
2585 2011-03-20 23:39:35 <joepie91> how did these guys set up the site in the first place?
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2587 2011-03-20 23:41:55 <joepie91> gahhhhhh
2588 2011-03-20 23:42:15 <joepie91> I seriously don;t understand how someone can write a website this cumbersome and illogical with redirects everywhere, without driving himself crazy
2589 2011-03-20 23:42:18 <genjix> you came?
2590 2011-03-20 23:42:22 <joepie91> lol
2591 2011-03-20 23:43:10 <[Tycho]> May be you should try IE ? :)
2592 2011-03-20 23:43:15 <jostmey> Hello World!
2593 2011-03-20 23:44:38 <joepie91> okayyyy
2594 2011-03-20 23:44:45 <joepie91> so I have to verify my domain paybtc.com
2595 2011-03-20 23:44:47 <joepie91> and to do that
2596 2011-03-20 23:44:50 <joepie91> I receive an email on
2597 2011-03-20 23:44:54 <joepie91> ...info@sven-slootweg.nl?
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2599 2011-03-20 23:45:02 * joepie91 facepalms again
2600 2011-03-20 23:45:18 <genjix> click register domain not email
2601 2011-03-20 23:45:21 <joepie91> how does that in any way verify my domain xD
2602 2011-03-20 23:45:22 <joepie91> I did domain
2603 2011-03-20 23:45:27 <joepie91> but they send some verification code
2604 2011-03-20 23:45:28 <genjix> they send to webmaster@paybtc.com
2605 2011-03-20 23:45:31 <joepie91> no
2606 2011-03-20 23:45:35 <joepie91> they sent it to info@sven-slootweg.nl
2607 2011-03-20 23:45:36 <joepie91> lol
2608 2011-03-20 23:45:41 <genjix> k
2609 2011-03-20 23:45:46 <joepie91> it just makes no sense xD
2610 2011-03-20 23:46:57 <genjix> i hate it when im asking complicated questions in a chan
2611 2011-03-20 23:47:19 <genjix> and there's load of fucking dumb noobs asking idiotic questions that take 5 secs to google because they're too lazy
2612 2011-03-20 23:47:23 <[Tycho]> Hmm, some user with "Mac OS X" refreshes account page each second... May be i should come up with some kind of surprise for him :)
2613 2011-03-20 23:48:33 <joepie91> lmfao
2614 2011-03-20 23:48:40 <joepie91> what kind of thing were you thinking of?
2615 2011-03-20 23:48:41 <joepie91> :P
2616 2011-03-20 23:48:47 <joepie91> genjix: familiar issue indeed
2617 2011-03-20 23:49:03 <joepie91> if you haven't at least spent 5 minutes on google, you have not looked hard enough
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2619 2011-03-20 23:49:55 <genjix> < saganbyte> If I issue mysqldump -u USER -p DATABASE > FILENAME.sql on a remote machine, where will the FILENAME.sql file get generated?
2620 2011-03-20 23:49:58 <[Tycho]> Want to check somehow if he has scripted something.
2621 2011-03-20 23:50:19 <genjix> < saganbyte> preaction_, how do i run a pwd
2622 2011-03-20 23:50:40 <genjix> < saganbyte> preaction_, how can i type ls
2623 2011-03-20 23:50:44 <genjix> lol
2624 2011-03-20 23:50:54 <joepie91> ... was that literally quoted? o_O
2625 2011-03-20 23:50:58 <genjix> yeah
2626 2011-03-20 23:51:03 * joepie91 facedesks
2627 2011-03-20 23:51:37 <joepie91> wait
2628 2011-03-20 23:51:40 <joepie91> the guy who typed that
2629 2011-03-20 23:51:43 <joepie91> is he managing his own server?
2630 2011-03-20 23:51:52 <genjix> dont know/care
2631 2011-03-20 23:51:58 <joepie91> lol
2632 2011-03-20 23:52:12 <joepie91> if he is, I predict a "MY SERVER GOT HACKED" somewhere in the next 7 days
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2634 2011-03-20 23:52:54 <joepie91> everyone starts out as a newbie on everything... that's understandable... but there's a point where you just shouldn't be managing a server in the first place
2635 2011-03-20 23:53:19 <genjix> no but asking dumb questions like that is stupid
2636 2011-03-20 23:54:01 <joepie91> yup
2637 2011-03-20 23:54:13 <joepie91> dumb questions DO exist: those that you could have googled in 10 seconds
2638 2011-03-20 23:54:13 <joepie91> :)
2639 2011-03-20 23:54:26 <joepie91> (when relating to things on the internet that is)
2640 2011-03-20 23:55:24 <joepie91> anyhow
2641 2011-03-20 23:55:27 <joepie91> cert has been requested
2642 2011-03-20 23:55:30 <joepie91> now to wait "3 hours"
2643 2011-03-20 23:58:30 <[Tycho]> Who is the owner of bitcoincharts ?
2644 2011-03-20 23:58:57 <Kiba> tcatm
2645 2011-03-20 23:59:47 <joepie91> btw, very interesting, I believe it was released today or so -> http://vodo.net/zenith