1 2011-03-22 00:00:08 <jgarzik> TD: IMO, deterministic transaction lifetime is a pre-requisite for unspending a TX
2 2011-03-22 00:01:31 <xelister> Zenith77: google blockexplorer
3 2011-03-22 00:02:47 <sipa> that's a problem when importing/merging wallets as well - it's quite possible that you try to do spend a coin which has already been spent by someone else who has your key, but you yourself aren't aware of the spending
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11 2011-03-22 00:09:54 <luke-jr> jgarzik: for *reliably* unspending
12 2011-03-22 00:10:22 <luke-jr> jgarzik: so long as the new tx gets into the block chain first, nothing to worry about :P
13 2011-03-22 00:11:10 <xelister> that doesnt sound super hard?
14 2011-03-22 00:11:15 <xelister> include a tx a timestamp,
15 2011-03-22 00:11:35 <xelister> if tx is included in a block too late for its timestamp then it is illegal/not valid transaction and ignore it... done?
16 2011-03-22 00:11:35 <sipa> ;;bc,stats
17 2011-03-22 00:11:38 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114470 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 441 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 9 hours, 57 minutes, and 9 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 67415.42286682
18 2011-03-22 00:12:44 <theymos> xelister: You can't do that because a network split less than 120 blocks long might cause that transaction and all of its successors to become invalid.
19 2011-03-22 00:12:54 <sipa> jgarzik: i wonder, couldn't the script infrastructure be used to say (blocknumber < N && pubkey = receiver || blocknumer >= N && pubkey = sender) ?
20 2011-03-22 00:13:15 <luke-jr> xelister: not possible
21 2011-03-22 00:13:23 <luke-jr> without breaking compatibility anyhow
22 2011-03-22 00:13:42 <sipa> well, it's hard with the currently limited script capabilities, and it would require adding opcodes to access the block number
23 2011-03-22 00:13:51 <luke-jr> what *can* be done, to improve it, is to have nodes drop unconfirmed tx right before the original node would be retransmitting it
24 2011-03-22 00:14:06 <luke-jr> sipa: access to the block height would be immensely useful
25 2011-03-22 00:14:18 <jgarzik> sipa: possibly, but this is something more fundamental. right now, the lifetime of a transaction is simply undefined, which is IMO not an attribute of any modern, reliable payment network.
26 2011-03-22 00:14:25 <sipa> jgarzik: i agree
27 2011-03-22 00:14:55 <theymos> sipa: That can't be done for the same reason I mentioned above. Transactions can't become invalid -- they can only become valid.
28 2011-03-22 00:14:56 <luke-jr> jgarzik: any reason caches can't just drop it X long after they got it, where X is defined as whatever the current retransmit time is?
29 2011-03-22 00:14:58 <xelister> jgarzik: would be good ofcourse to let the user define the time to leave. users of high latency&anonimty would need that
30 2011-03-22 00:15:38 <luke-jr> xelister: can always retransmit
31 2011-03-22 00:15:45 <jgarzik> xelister: that is not an issue, as noted in the forum post (did you read it?). the client may resend indefinitely.
32 2011-03-22 00:16:20 <jgarzik> luke-jr: any rule is possible
33 2011-03-22 00:16:40 <jgarzik> luke-jr: I think 150 blocks is something major miners are likely to agree on
34 2011-03-22 00:16:53 <luke-jr> jgarzik: it doesn't involve only miners
35 2011-03-22 00:17:11 <luke-jr> actually, how can you stop relay loops?
36 2011-03-22 00:17:19 <xelister> luke-jr: can not, because it may take many days
37 2011-03-22 00:17:20 <luke-jr> do tx have a transmit-time-base in them?
38 2011-03-22 00:17:53 <xelister> no, what if it takes say 20 days for the tx to reach tcp network
39 2011-03-22 00:18:09 <sipa> maybe adding a TTL to transactions (that is, a max block number they must be included in, before becoming ignored) would be useful as well, but that would require a real update to the protocol...
40 2011-03-22 00:18:21 <phantomcircuit> what's the question?
41 2011-03-22 00:18:49 <luke-jr> xelister: I'm assuming it expires X time from when a relay receives it
42 2011-03-22 00:19:20 <xelister> luke-jr: but then relay (gateway to normal TCP network) would need to have private key to modify timestamp/expdate of tx and re-sign that.
43 2011-03-22 00:19:35 <luke-jr> xelister: I am assuming the tx itself does not have any timestamp
44 2011-03-22 00:19:39 <jgarzik> sipa: you can always rev CTransaction, adding a TTL. Default it to 150 CTransaction < current_version.
45 2011-03-22 00:19:43 <luke-jr> or if it does, said timestamp is ignored
46 2011-03-22 00:19:44 <xelister> I understand that this timestamp in tx will be ofcourse signed same as entire tx otherwise anyone can set it to anything
47 2011-03-22 00:19:55 <luke-jr> jgarzik: not without breaking network compatibility
48 2011-03-22 00:20:02 <luke-jr> can you?
49 2011-03-22 00:21:10 <sipa> jgarzik: how to do that in a backward-compatible way?
50 2011-03-22 00:21:17 <sipa> jgarzik: what if you transaction manager to be placed into a block by a miner running older code, after the expiration has been reached?
51 2011-03-22 00:21:22 <sipa> manages
52 2011-03-22 00:21:44 <sipa> while your client regards the coin as unspent again
53 2011-03-22 00:21:49 <jgarzik> sipa: complete back compat is impossible. Older clients can only read older structures, and would let TX's live in TX caches indefinitely.
54 2011-03-22 00:21:54 <luke-jr> sipa: if it gets into a block, it's permanent
55 2011-03-22 00:22:09 <jgarzik> sipa: but it is possible to rev the structures for newer clients, while not breaking older clients' ability to function and spend
56 2011-03-22 00:22:22 <sipa> sure, but the problem is the transition phase
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58 2011-03-22 00:22:43 <sipa> you're creating a tx with a condition in, which you cannot be sure about that it will be respected by all
59 2011-03-22 00:22:43 <luke-jr> sipa: double-spends will happen perhaps; then you blame the idiot who didn't wait for 1-2 confirms ;P
60 2011-03-22 00:22:57 <luke-jr> sipa: also, clients can avoid respending, so long as there are other outputs to spend
61 2011-03-22 00:23:02 <jgarzik> sipa: newer clients use "tx2" message, but always support older "tx" message. information is lost new->old, but old is still supported.
62 2011-03-22 00:23:08 <jgarzik> (just an example)
63 2011-03-22 00:23:30 <jgarzik> we should continue to support the ability of old codgers running 0.3.9 to spent their old coins :)
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65 2011-03-22 00:24:12 <sipa> i like having a TTL in there, either through scripting or a dedicated field in transactions, but maybe there are less intrusive ways for solving it :)
66 2011-03-22 00:24:14 <luke-jr> hmm, you could prevent the new tx from being relayed to old clientsâ¦
67 2011-03-22 00:24:20 <theymos> Expiring transactions is not OK. Satoshi has rejected it: https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1786.msg22119#msg22119
68 2011-03-22 00:24:39 <luke-jr> sipa: scripting will break compatibility at this point no matter howâ¦
69 2011-03-22 00:25:20 <jgarzik> theymos: I don't see that he did
70 2011-03-22 00:26:27 <jgarzik> theymos: and regardless, TX's expire --in real life--. That is why the client resends. An expiration network rule merely makes canonical current, yet ad hoc, operator behavior.
71 2011-03-22 00:26:48 <theymos> Aren't you talking about transactions that can get in a block at one time, and then after a reorg they are no longer valid due to time changes?
72 2011-03-22 00:26:50 <jgarzik> satoshi definitely objects to TX expiration due to lack of unspend
73 2011-03-22 00:27:09 <jgarzik> theymos: no. this is transactions that _never_ get into a block.
74 2011-03-22 00:27:18 <jgarzik> theymos: those that live only in the TX cache, and nowhere else.
75 2011-03-22 00:27:47 <sipa> right, but what if it did get into a block, and the chain it's in becomes invalid?
76 2011-03-22 00:27:50 <luke-jr> 1) once tx get into a block, they're valid, case closed, 2) new clients include a TTL or max-block value, NOT part of the permanent tx, 3) new clients don't tell old clients about these tx, 4) after TTL, new clients no longer cache unless it is resent
77 2011-03-22 00:27:51 <luke-jr> ?
78 2011-03-22 00:27:57 <sipa> that's the scenario satoshi was thinking about
79 2011-03-22 00:28:23 <jgarzik> sipa: then it gets dumped back into the TX cache, and out of a block, with a fresh lifetime.
80 2011-03-22 00:28:43 <theymos> That's fine, then. I thought you were talking about expiration times inside of transactions.
81 2011-03-22 00:28:48 <sipa> i was
82 2011-03-22 00:28:57 <sipa> jgarzik is thinking about something else
83 2011-03-22 00:29:37 * jgarzik 's proposal is solely related to TX's living in the TX cache, that fail to make it into any block after X confirmations.
84 2011-03-22 00:29:58 <jgarzik> most likely future example is a spend with too-low fees. users need to be able to recover that.
85 2011-03-22 00:30:32 <luke-jr> jgarzik: I think in any circumstances, clients should avoid respending tx as long as possible
86 2011-03-22 00:30:39 <sipa> well, the first step is definitely to make the client deal with conflicting/invalid transaction from/to own addresses
87 2011-03-22 00:30:44 <luke-jr> so long as they have other outputs
88 2011-03-22 00:30:49 <jgarzik> as it stands today, if you guess incorrectly when setting TX fee, user's transaction will be stuck indefinitely
89 2011-03-22 00:30:54 <jgarzik> which is a very poor experience
90 2011-03-22 00:31:00 <sipa> now it just gives an error messages, and leaves you with a corrupt wallet
91 2011-03-22 00:31:29 <jgarzik> luke-jr: the client already attempts to avoid respending young change transactions
92 2011-03-22 00:31:30 <sipa> of course, without people copying wallets, this could never occur
93 2011-03-22 00:31:58 <luke-jr> jgarzik: for that specific niche problem⦠can we get it so long as the outputs are the same, it's allowed to replace any conflicting tx?
94 2011-03-22 00:32:15 <luke-jr> jgarzik: I mean, it should spend young change BEFORE re-spending old spent outputs
95 2011-03-22 00:32:34 <jgarzik> luke-jr: a node will ignore a TX sent to it, if there is a conflicting TX already in the TX cache
96 2011-03-22 00:32:38 <luke-jr> basically, if you retransmit a tx with a higher fee, it always supercedes the old one
97 2011-03-22 00:32:44 <luke-jr> jgarzik: today they will yes
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99 2011-03-22 00:32:56 <luke-jr> I mean changing that to allow replacement when the new one is "compatible"
100 2011-03-22 00:33:17 <luke-jr> only adding to outputs
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104 2011-03-22 00:42:29 <luke-jr> jgarzik: is there any harm in allowing people to replace a version=0 tx with one that has version>=0 and including all the same outputs?
105 2011-03-22 00:42:46 <luke-jr> (in caches only)
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109 2011-03-22 00:51:37 <Sean93> what is khash/s?
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112 2011-03-22 00:53:21 <jgarzik> Sean93: the number of bitcoin hash function iterations performed in one second
113 2011-03-22 00:53:30 <jgarzik> 1000-iterations, for kilohash
114 2011-03-22 00:54:11 <Sean93> what am a trying to get to?
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116 2011-03-22 00:54:35 <luke-jr> Sean93: as many as possible?
117 2011-03-22 00:54:36 <jgarzik> Sean93: cannot parse your question
118 2011-03-22 00:54:57 <Sean93> how do i actually generate coins?
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121 2011-03-22 00:57:07 <jgarzik> Sean93: you need a fast, modern GPU, otherwise it's a waste of electricity
122 2011-03-22 00:57:37 <luke-jr> fast, modern, ATi/AMD GPU :p
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125 2011-03-22 00:59:32 <Sean93> how many khash equal one bit coin?
126 2011-03-22 01:00:43 <luke-jr> Sean93: it doesn't work that way.
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130 2011-03-22 01:00:57 <Sean93> then how does it?
131 2011-03-22 01:01:10 <luke-jr> there's a lottery for 50 BTC
132 2011-03-22 01:01:20 <luke-jr> each khash is 1000 lottery tickets
133 2011-03-22 01:01:34 <molecular> a lot of fresh young blood today, this must be reddit effect ;)
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138 2011-03-22 01:07:25 <Stellar> is there any opensource pool server?
139 2011-03-22 01:07:36 <Stellar> i wanted to run my own local pool
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141 2011-03-22 01:08:13 <luke-jr> Stellar: yes
142 2011-03-22 01:08:26 <Stellar> where is it?
143 2011-03-22 01:08:32 <Stellar> cann't found it in forum
144 2011-03-22 01:08:50 <molecular> stellar: are you sure you dont just want to run some miners? you can connect many miners to one bitcoin node
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146 2011-03-22 01:09:21 <Stellar> trying the 'fancy' way ;)
147 2011-03-22 01:09:34 <molecular> respect to you
148 2011-03-22 01:09:42 <Stellar> or trying to run a pool for my country...
149 2011-03-22 01:10:00 <molecular> hehe, "local" sounded like you meant your LAN ;)
150 2011-03-22 01:10:10 <Stellar> for first yes
151 2011-03-22 01:10:24 <molecular> good luck then, we can use more pools
152 2011-03-22 01:10:30 <Stellar> so is there any open source one ? ;)
153 2011-03-22 01:10:52 <Stellar> most of this pool from my country using 10+ hop :(
154 2011-03-22 01:10:57 <Stellar> *big pool
155 2011-03-22 01:13:19 <molecular> here's a list of some pools: http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/bitcoin-pool/. maybe you can check each to see if there's a pointer to opensource software they use.
156 2011-03-22 01:13:40 <molecular> someone here should know, though ;)
157 2011-03-22 01:13:55 <doublec> jgarzik has some open source pool code
158 2011-03-22 01:14:37 <doublec> Stellar: GPL http://yyz.us/bitcoin/poold.py
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163 2011-03-22 01:15:52 <Stellar> doublec: thx dude
164 2011-03-22 01:16:03 <Zenith77> http://www.failreactor.com/image/3491
165 2011-03-22 01:16:06 <Zenith77> what the hell bitcoin
166 2011-03-22 01:16:21 <theymos> Turn off generation.
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169 2011-03-22 01:16:43 <molecular> turn off coin generation
170 2011-03-22 01:17:22 <molecular> phew, it _really_ should be off by default nowadays
171 2011-03-22 01:17:33 <Zenith77> molecular, theymos
172 2011-03-22 01:17:40 <Zenith77> I know that's why it's doing that
173 2011-03-22 01:17:42 <theymos> It is off by default.
174 2011-03-22 01:17:45 <Zenith77> How the hell is it >100%
175 2011-03-22 01:17:53 <molecular> you have many cores, probably
176 2011-03-22 01:18:00 <theymos> 100% = one full CPU core.
177 2011-03-22 01:18:01 <molecular> each one is 100%
178 2011-03-22 01:18:04 <Zenith77> ah, okay
179 2011-03-22 01:18:21 <molecular> sometime hyperthreading counts
180 2011-03-22 01:18:25 <Zenith77> That's an odd way to do that
181 2011-03-22 01:18:50 <Zenith77> wow I'm only getting ~30khash/s with a GTX 260
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183 2011-03-22 01:19:36 <theymos> CPU generation might be slowing it down.
184 2011-03-22 01:20:36 <Zenith77> theymos, hrm?
185 2011-03-22 01:20:56 <molecular> to 30 khash/s
186 2011-03-22 01:21:03 <Zenith77> well I was warned opencl on osx was slow, is there something I'm doing wrong?
187 2011-03-22 01:21:13 <molecular> is it 30mhash/s or khash/s?
188 2011-03-22 01:21:21 <Zenith77> khash/s
189 2011-03-22 01:21:27 <molecular> something's wrong
190 2011-03-22 01:21:34 <Zenith77> and my cpu is at nothing at the moment
191 2011-03-22 01:21:37 <Sean93> what are the odds of getting the 50BTC?
192 2011-03-22 01:22:29 <molecular> about 1:281474976710656
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194 2011-03-22 01:22:59 <theymos> ;;bc,calc 30
195 2011-03-22 01:22:59 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 30 Khps, given current difficulty of 76193.9710474 , is 345 years, 47 weeks, 0 days, 2 hours, 16 minutes, and 33 seconds
196 2011-03-22 01:23:56 <molecular> <Sean93> how many khash equal one bit coin? <- it was explained to Sean93 that bitcoin is like a lotterie. that's why he's asking the odds
197 2011-03-22 01:24:22 <molecular> about 1:2^48 is correct if you calculate one hash, right?
198 2011-03-22 01:24:37 <theymos> ;;bc,probability
199 2011-03-22 01:24:38 <gribble> Error: "bc,probability" is not a valid command.
200 2011-03-22 01:24:50 <molecular> ;;bc,prob
201 2011-03-22 01:24:51 <gribble> (bc,prob <an alias, at least 1 argument>) -- Alias for "math calc 1-exp(-$1*1000 * [seconds $*] / (2**32* [bc,diff]))".
202 2011-03-22 01:25:17 <molecular> ;;bc,prob 0.001 1
203 2011-03-22 01:25:19 <gribble> Error: There's really no reason why you should have underscores or brackets in your mathematical expression. Please remove them.
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205 2011-03-22 01:25:50 <theymos> The current probability for one hash is listed here: http://blockexplorer.com/q/probability
206 2011-03-22 01:26:41 <molecular> theymos, thx, so it's 1:327249801729843
207 2011-03-22 01:27:07 <theymos> Let's see if gribble has this one... ,,bc,hashestowin
208 2011-03-22 01:27:07 <gribble> Error: "bc,hashestowin" is not a valid command.
209 2011-03-22 01:27:12 <theymos> http://blockexplorer.com/q/hashestowin
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211 2011-03-22 01:28:54 <luke-jr> Sean93: the odds change every 2 weeks
212 2011-03-22 01:29:07 <luke-jr> Sean93: based on what it thinks will take 10 minutes to have a winner on average
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214 2011-03-22 01:30:33 <JunK-Y> how come the difficulty estimate will decrease?
215 2011-03-22 01:30:47 <theymos> There's less network CPU power than there should be.
216 2011-03-22 01:31:02 <luke-jr> JunK-Y: mystery miner turned off
217 2011-03-22 01:31:46 <JunK-Y> what is 'mystery miner' ?
218 2011-03-22 01:31:49 <JunK-Y> a pool?
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220 2011-03-22 01:33:13 <luke-jr> JunK-Y: someone mining with lots of hash/s that nobody knows who it is
221 2011-03-22 01:33:15 <luke-jr> probably a botnet
222 2011-03-22 01:34:00 <JunK-Y> kk
223 2011-03-22 01:34:16 <JunK-Y> mining.bitcoin.cz has increased like crazy!
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226 2011-03-22 01:35:01 <Zenith77> so if I'm only getting 30khash/s with a GTX 260 using poclbm, did I miss a step or something >_>, or is this just an OS X thing (I am running a hackintosh)
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229 2011-03-22 01:37:11 <doublec> Zenith77: are you sure that's not a normal hash rate for that card?
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231 2011-03-22 01:37:28 <Zenith77> I was under the impression it would mhash/s
232 2011-03-22 01:37:42 <Zenith77> or wait
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234 2011-03-22 01:38:20 <doublec> yeah mhash seems more likely
235 2011-03-22 01:38:40 <Zenith77> but someone previously in the channel had stated that OS X's OpenCL implementation was slow
236 2011-03-22 01:38:52 <doublec> this tables implies 37.5mhash or so: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1628.0;all
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240 2011-03-22 01:45:03 <Zenith77> doublec, you can ignore me. I'm retarded.
241 2011-03-22 01:45:17 <Zenith77> 30000 khash/s = 30mhash/s
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244 2011-03-22 01:48:14 <luke-jr> lol
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251 2011-03-22 02:02:06 <SykeP> congrats Zenith77, you have achieved 1/10th the hashrate of a mid-range ati card
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258 2011-03-22 02:17:20 <Zenith77> SykeP, yea but at least I don't have crappy drivers :D
259 2011-03-22 02:20:27 <Sean93> i need help installing a cpu miner for a pool
260 2011-03-22 02:27:07 <Zenith77> Sean93, what OS and what are you stuck on?
261 2011-03-22 02:27:48 <Sean93> ubuntu 10.10
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266 2011-03-22 02:37:22 <Zenith77> Sean93, any specific CPU installer? Are you having touble installing one or do need guidance?
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268 2011-03-22 02:39:09 <Sean93> Zenith77, i intalled jgarzik's one but now i get "json_rpc_call failed, retry after 30 seconds HTTP request failed: The requested URL returned error: 400
269 2011-03-22 02:40:25 <jgarzik> Sean93: which pool are you using?
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271 2011-03-22 02:40:53 <Sean93> http://mining.bitcoin.cz
272 2011-03-22 02:40:59 <CIA-96> bitcoin/spesmilo: Luke Dashjr <luke-jr+git@utopios.org> master * rc6dce6e76b5f /cashier.py: Bugfix: I think this addresses all the flaws in the polled-update mechanism... except the polling itself and not detecting new generation entries http://tinyurl.com/4c4c624
273 2011-03-22 02:41:11 <luke-jr> there we go
274 2011-03-22 02:42:02 <Sean93> jgarzik, was an error on my part, its working now
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276 2011-03-22 02:44:00 <Sean93> can someone please send me a small amount of bitcoins?
277 2011-03-22 02:44:20 <theymos> Sure.
278 2011-03-22 02:44:21 <luke-jr> address?
279 2011-03-22 02:44:25 <Sean93> 1DnDRVdSsL1SWkB1P1yTBAsZLMmwHWsiP4
280 2011-03-22 02:44:36 <luke-jr> 10 TBC on the way
281 2011-03-22 02:44:41 <theymos> Sent 0.01.
282 2011-03-22 02:45:27 <da2ce7> luke-jr how much is 10 TBC in base10?
283 2011-03-22 02:45:46 <luke-jr> da2ce7: a little more than 0.01 BTC
284 2011-03-22 02:45:55 <Sean93> i have two +0.01 but my balance is 0
285 2011-03-22 02:45:55 <da2ce7> ah ok
286 2011-03-22 02:46:05 <luke-jr> literally, 16 (base10) TBC
287 2011-03-22 02:46:08 <theymos> Sean93: You need to wait for a confirmation.
288 2011-03-22 02:46:14 <luke-jr> Sean93: wait an hour
289 2011-03-22 02:46:24 <theymos> Balance is adjusted when you get 1 confirmation.
290 2011-03-22 02:46:45 <Sean93> alright everything semms to be working, thanks
291 2011-03-22 02:47:01 <da2ce7> Sean93, you have annother 0.01 from me :)
292 2011-03-22 02:47:16 <genjix> woah he's gonna be rich
293 2011-03-22 02:47:26 <Sean93> anymore of this and im retiring :P
294 2011-03-22 02:47:34 <genjix> i remember asking here for 0.01 and everyone told me to fuck off and stop begging
295 2011-03-22 02:47:45 <luke-jr> lol
296 2011-03-22 02:47:51 <da2ce7> lol, and look what it did to you.
297 2011-03-22 02:47:57 <genjix> stingy bastards
298 2011-03-22 02:48:15 <genjix> yeah it made me bitter :)
299 2011-03-22 02:48:44 <da2ce7> genjix, but you were arround when it was easy to use a CPU miner to get 50 BTC :P
300 2011-03-22 02:49:13 <genjix> no i wasn't.
301 2011-03-22 02:49:28 <genjix> i came in right at the beginning of bitcoin's climb
302 2011-03-22 02:49:34 <da2ce7> (looking up ur user on smf now...)
303 2011-03-22 02:50:01 <genjix> but this was 1 week ago anyway, when I had 0 btc
304 2011-03-22 02:50:07 <genjix> and needed some to test
305 2011-03-22 02:50:14 <da2ce7> ah ok.
306 2011-03-22 02:50:55 <genjix> in all fairness though, luke-jr gave me 0.01 and xg0d gave me 6 btc :)
307 2011-03-22 02:51:06 <genjix> (and i've sent him 20 btc back)
308 2011-03-22 02:53:36 * da2ce7 is somewhat rich from his CPU miner.
309 2011-03-22 02:53:58 <genjix> :(
310 2011-03-22 02:56:50 <Zenith77> how did you get rich off a cpu miner?
311 2011-03-22 02:57:29 <Zenith77> So, a friend is having trouble getting poclbm.py to recognize platform 1 (open CL) with a GTX 470 running OS X
312 2011-03-22 02:57:31 <da2ce7> Zenith77, a long time ago, when dinosaws walked the internet... The diff was less than 1000
313 2011-03-22 02:57:37 <Zenith77> :P
314 2011-03-22 02:57:44 <Zenith77> Any ideas?
315 2011-03-22 02:57:46 <theymos> I started mining when difficulty was ~8. :D
316 2011-03-22 02:58:09 <da2ce7> Well I'm building my Open Transactions PHP GUI team. What do you think about a 100 BTC prize for a full mockup of the website, paying 10 BTC to every serirous entry? Dose that sound resonable? or do I need to make the prize larger?
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319 2011-03-22 03:00:19 <theymos> What are you doing with Open Transactions?
320 2011-03-22 03:01:11 <da2ce7> We are building a website that inpments the OT-PHP api, something like mybitcoin for OT.
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322 2011-03-22 03:01:59 <da2ce7> *implements
323 2011-03-22 03:03:55 <theymos> Will you be an "OT server", issuing contracts? (I don't know much about OT.)
324 2011-03-22 03:04:14 <genjix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiww4OTA194&feature=player_embedded#at=162
325 2011-03-22 03:04:16 <genjix> wahow
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328 2011-03-22 03:06:06 <da2ce7> Theymos, I have not designed the GUI yet, ( I have a few ideas, but I want to allow the communtity to design them), but somthing like mybitcoin, however you can log in as a server or a client.
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332 2011-03-22 03:08:39 <Necr0s> http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/hammer-comes-down-last-those-far-rig
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337 2011-03-22 03:14:06 <luke-jr> genjix: thought I gave you more
338 2011-03-22 03:14:19 <genjix> you did :p
339 2011-03-22 03:14:40 <luke-jr> Zenith77: is the OSX version too old for OpenCL?
340 2011-03-22 03:15:09 <luke-jr> genjix: btw, did you notice CIA? :P
341 2011-03-22 03:15:20 <CIA-96> bitcoin/spesmilo: Luke Dashjr <luke-jr+git@utopios.org> master * r16b9e396201e / (12 files in 3 dirs): Allow configuring language via settings.py http://tinyurl.com/46zcdov
342 2011-03-22 03:15:24 <CIA-96> bitcoin/spesmilo: Luke Dashjr <luke-jr+git@utopios.org> master * r05b262e56eea /send.py: Bugfix: allow opening send dialog directly, without a URI http://tinyurl.com/4gvez2n
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344 2011-03-22 03:15:52 <genjix> luke-jr: cool. that's for all repos?
345 2011-03-22 03:15:55 <genjix> nice idea :)
346 2011-03-22 03:15:57 <luke-jr> genjix: not for all
347 2011-03-22 03:16:01 <luke-jr> just spesmilo and bitcoin-pl right now
348 2011-03-22 03:16:04 <luke-jr> want me to add any?
349 2011-03-22 03:16:28 <genjix> intersango and btfeature
350 2011-03-22 03:16:34 <luke-jr> k, 1 sec
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355 2011-03-22 03:16:52 <vrs> anybody made a chart yet for what mining rigs are profitable in terms of elecricity bills?
356 2011-03-22 03:17:06 <luke-jr> vrs: 5770+
357 2011-03-22 03:17:08 <da2ce7> how far are we along the parth of completly seperating the bitcoin GUI and the server?
358 2011-03-22 03:17:26 <luke-jr> da2ce7: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Wallet_protocol#DRAFT_0
359 2011-03-22 03:17:51 <lfm> vrs: depends on the cost of electricity in your region
360 2011-03-22 03:17:57 <vrs> luke-jr: i know, but are there pretty graphs or will i have to draw one myself?
361 2011-03-22 03:18:12 <vrs> lfm: yes, that makes the thing a bit fuzzy
362 2011-03-22 03:18:17 <luke-jr> genjix: should be done
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367 2011-03-22 03:19:11 <genjix> thanks luke-jr
368 2011-03-22 03:19:24 <genjix> da2ce7: it's done. somebody has a branch
369 2011-03-22 03:19:27 <genjix> tcat i think
370 2011-03-22 03:19:41 <luke-jr> np
371 2011-03-22 03:20:10 <lfm> just get the hash/watt for whatever hardware and its pretty straight forward to figure it out from there
372 2011-03-22 03:20:27 <vrs> yes
373 2011-03-22 03:20:29 <lfm> just get the hash/sec/watt for whatever hardware and its pretty straight forward to figure it out from there
374 2011-03-22 03:20:38 <lfm> actually
375 2011-03-22 03:21:36 <vrs> i'll just take hash/watt, electricity price and the difficulty graph
376 2011-03-22 03:27:33 <lfm> the watts in your formulas can be trickky too since most tables only list the watts of the gpu card itslef whereas you really want the total watts for the whole system
377 2011-03-22 03:28:54 <lfm> in some other situations you only want the difference in watts between idle and mining if you have to pay to run the rest of the system anyway and just want to know if it is worth mining on it
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381 2011-03-22 03:34:40 <vrs> there will be a big tolerance in electricity price anyway
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386 2011-03-22 03:40:49 <Sargun_Screen> Hey
387 2011-03-22 03:40:50 <Sargun_Screen> er,
388 2011-03-22 03:45:22 <CIA-96> bitcoin/btfeature: thera <thera@l.autovps.net> master * r08438e6f221c /www/ (footer.php header.php): changed title + added footer. http://tinyurl.com/6ybraqr
389 2011-03-22 03:45:29 <CIA-96> bitcoin/btfeature: thera <thera@l.autovps.net> master * r6320e687d4d2 /propose.php: propose creating unique addresses now. http://tinyurl.com/64mfdtj
390 2011-03-22 03:45:31 <CIA-96> bitcoin/btfeature: thera <thera@l.autovps.net> master * re9686706f551 /index.php: increased limit to show more proposals by default. http://tinyurl.com/623jaem
391 2011-03-22 03:45:32 <CIA-96> bitcoin/btfeature: thera <thera@l.autovps.net> master * r675ebcd7c055 /login.php: fixed potential attack vector. http://tinyurl.com/6hhsv54
392 2011-03-22 03:45:32 <CIA-96> bitcoin/btfeature: thera <thera@l.autovps.net> master * raaa0c75710fd / (util.php www/config.php): migrated over files. http://tinyurl.com/6dq2wwt
393 2011-03-22 03:45:38 <CIA-96> bitcoin/btfeature: thera <thera@l.autovps.net> master * r496a32a8dfc8 /help.php: expanded help text. http://tinyurl.com/6a6k43r
394 2011-03-22 03:45:39 <CIA-96> bitcoin/btfeature: thera <thera@l.autovps.net> master * r529bf2eb7fe1 / (index.php propose.php): one address per proposal. No need to use accounts. http://tinyurl.com/62jgh97
395 2011-03-22 03:45:43 <genjix> lawl
396 2011-03-22 03:46:45 <lfm> Sargun_Screen: what?
397 2011-03-22 03:47:21 <Sargun_Screen> lfm: Nothing, wrong window
398 2011-03-22 03:48:21 <genjix> luke-jr: can you give me push rights to bitcoin on gitorious?
399 2011-03-22 03:49:19 <luke-jr> genjix: ok, but don't modify master. master is a strict mirror of GitHub
400 2011-03-22 03:49:20 <genjix> then i can populate it with all my various branches
401 2011-03-22 03:49:24 <genjix> ok
402 2011-03-22 03:49:31 <luke-jr> and please don't push personal branches to it :p
403 2011-03-22 03:49:40 <luke-jr> notice, that I also have a personal clone on Gitorious
404 2011-03-22 03:50:00 <genjix> how comes?
405 2011-03-22 03:50:27 <luke-jr> for personal stuff
406 2011-03-22 03:50:37 <luke-jr> the main bitcoin repo should only be stuff meant for upstream
407 2011-03-22 03:50:48 <luke-jr> in hopes gavin et al move to Gitorious, they can take over it
408 2011-03-22 03:50:59 <genjix> isn't that what branches are for?
409 2011-03-22 03:51:17 <luke-jr> sometimes âº
410 2011-03-22 03:51:30 <genjix> gavin isn't moving to gitorious... i say live and be :)
411 2011-03-22 03:51:40 <luke-jr> gavin will when satoshi refuses to use GitHUb :P
412 2011-03-22 03:51:53 <genjix> satoshi left?
413 2011-03-22 03:51:56 <luke-jr> genjix: just try to keep non-personal-bitcoin only stuff for upstream, k? :P
414 2011-03-22 03:51:59 <luke-jr> satoshi never used GitHub
415 2011-03-22 03:52:01 <genjix> and why would satoshi refuse?
416 2011-03-22 03:52:06 <doublec> genjix: why not use your own clone of the github tree?
417 2011-03-22 03:52:13 <doublec> instead of pushing to luke-jr's?
418 2011-03-22 03:52:23 <genjix> that's what im doing
419 2011-03-22 03:52:32 <genjix> but luke-jr has a bitcoin 'project' tree there
420 2011-03-22 03:52:51 <genjix> and i've put all my repos under there... except my various bitcoin branches
421 2011-03-22 03:53:02 <luke-jr> genjix: GitHub requires real names
422 2011-03-22 03:53:16 <luke-jr> doublec: it's not mine we're discussing
423 2011-03-22 03:53:18 <genjix> lol my name is genjix on github
424 2011-03-22 03:53:26 <luke-jr> doublec: it's the main bitcoin repository on Gitorious
425 2011-03-22 03:53:55 <luke-jr> genjix: for example, I plan to move RPCv1 *out* of the main repo, to my personal one
426 2011-03-22 03:54:01 <luke-jr> since it's not going upstream
427 2011-03-22 03:54:18 <luke-jr> doublec: http://gitorious.org/bitcoin/bitcoin vs http://gitorious.org/~Luke-Jr/bitcoin/luke-jr-bitcoin
428 2011-03-22 03:54:43 <genjix> 1 repo != 1 branch
429 2011-03-22 03:54:57 <luke-jr> genjix: personal clones exist for a reason
430 2011-03-22 03:55:13 <luke-jr> main repo = master + branches-destined-for-master
431 2011-03-22 03:55:27 <luke-jr> personal repo = hacks, policy changes, stuff upstream doesn't want
432 2011-03-22 04:00:46 <genjix> luke-jr: ok then make a repo like bitcoin-branches
433 2011-03-22 04:01:02 <luke-jr> ?
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436 2011-03-22 04:01:33 <genjix> luke-jr: for 'hacks'
437 2011-03-22 04:01:35 <lfm> you should be able to keep all the variations in one place it owuld seem to me
438 2011-03-22 04:01:43 <luke-jr> genjix: what's wrong with http://gitorious.org/~genjix/bitcoin/genjix-bitcoin
439 2011-03-22 04:01:44 <genjix> lfm: yeah my thoughts too
440 2011-03-22 04:01:54 <luke-jr> lfm: nobody does that
441 2011-03-22 04:02:06 <genjix> why? there's no good reason not to
442 2011-03-22 04:02:41 <lfm> its the whole reason to have change control systems
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444 2011-03-22 04:05:32 <CIA-96> bitcoin/btfeature: genjix <fake@lol.u> master * r5f86ca2bcea6 /propose.php: Removed echo of SQL query. http://tinyurl.com/4elsk6f
445 2011-03-22 04:05:37 <doublec> why would you want a central repository containing your own changes/hacks? With a DVCS you generally have your own and share to people interested in it.
446 2011-03-22 04:05:44 <CIA-96> bitcoin/btfeature: genjix <fake@lol.u> master * r8b6f654892d7 /util.php: Made regex less strict. http://tinyurl.com/4vqol6s
447 2011-03-22 04:05:52 * overtorque is away: LaTeRzzz !!!!*&^%^!!! :D :D
448 2011-03-22 04:06:08 <theymos> That CIA bot is annoying.
449 2011-03-22 04:06:27 <lfm> /ignore it
450 2011-03-22 04:09:17 <luke-jr> doublec: but you don't share personal hacks on the main project repository
451 2011-03-22 04:12:35 <doublec> luke-jr: I know. I was referring to lfm and genjix's request for a shared repository to push stuff too.
452 2011-03-22 04:13:02 <luke-jr> doublec: dunno, what's wrong with personal repos?
453 2011-03-22 04:13:18 <luke-jr> kinda what people usually doâ¦
454 2011-03-22 04:13:26 <doublec> luke-jr: nothing. That's what I'm saying they should use.
455 2011-03-22 04:13:33 <luke-jr> o ok
456 2011-03-22 04:13:42 <doublec> ie. I'm agreeing with you
457 2011-03-22 04:14:00 <luke-jr> XD
458 2011-03-22 04:14:00 <lfm> I guess I was saying there should not be a need for the shared repo then
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464 2011-03-22 04:34:07 <luke-jr> genjix: â¦
465 2011-03-22 04:34:21 <luke-jr> this isn't even a branch of bitcoind
466 2011-03-22 04:34:35 <luke-jr> oh wait
467 2011-03-22 04:34:38 <luke-jr> looking at btfeature XD
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473 2011-03-22 04:55:07 <genjix> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4761.0
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478 2011-03-22 04:56:42 <Aciid> genjix: need help getting https running?
479 2011-03-22 04:56:49 <Aciid> The webpage at https://bitcoin.cz.cc/ might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address.
480 2011-03-22 04:56:52 <Aciid> Error 102 (net::ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED): Unknown error.
481 2011-03-22 04:58:45 <Aciid> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4762.0
482 2011-03-22 04:59:05 <genjix> Aciid: yeah i didnt enable it.
483 2011-03-22 04:59:16 <Aciid> for a reason?
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485 2011-03-22 04:59:50 <genjix> nope. i'll do that now
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487 2011-03-22 05:00:46 <Aciid> http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-set-up-an-ssl-vhost-under-apache2-on-ubuntu-9.10-debian-lenny
488 2011-03-22 05:00:50 <Aciid> the long way
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490 2011-03-22 05:02:31 <theymos> Apache SSL configuration sucks. You have to duplicate all your configuration options for the SSL and non-SSL virtual hosts, which is annoying.
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492 2011-03-22 05:03:00 <genjix> enabling ssl should be a one liner :)
493 2011-03-22 05:03:25 <Aciid> no you dont
494 2011-03-22 05:03:37 <Aciid> theymos: it's a oneliner after a stock install
495 2011-03-22 05:03:45 <Aciid> aensite default-ssl
496 2011-03-22 05:03:52 <Aciid> or was it ssl-default
497 2011-03-22 05:06:08 <theymos> The only way I saw from reading the docs was to create two virtual hosts for 443 and 80, with the only difference being that SSL has 6 extra SSL-related directives.
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499 2011-03-22 05:07:26 <Diablo-D3> whats the issue?
500 2011-03-22 05:07:29 <Diablo-D3> adding ssl?
501 2011-03-22 05:07:39 <Diablo-D3> on apache and most httpds, adding a second virtualhost for ssl is the correct method
502 2011-03-22 05:07:43 <Aciid> all bitcoin related should have it increases the geekfactor
503 2011-03-22 05:07:58 <Aciid> oh shi work ->
504 2011-03-22 05:08:06 <theymos> Diablo-D3: I was just complaining that adding a second nearly-identical virtual host is annoying.
505 2011-03-22 05:08:16 <Diablo-D3> theymos: well, its not identical
506 2011-03-22 05:08:18 <Aciid> theymos: the other is for :443
507 2011-03-22 05:08:23 <Aciid> and has more directives
508 2011-03-22 05:08:24 <genjix> Aciid: i used this site http://library.linode.com/web-servers/apache/ssl-guides/using-ssl-ubuntu-10.10-maverick
509 2011-03-22 05:08:25 <Diablo-D3> because you can add ssl certs to :80
510 2011-03-22 05:08:29 <Diablo-D3> and get absolutely nothing
511 2011-03-22 05:08:32 <Aciid> genjix: any should do
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513 2011-03-22 05:10:46 <genjix> Aciid: done!
514 2011-03-22 05:10:54 <genjix> ssl enabled
515 2011-03-22 05:11:01 <Aciid> genjix: well done!
516 2011-03-22 05:11:22 <Aciid> ´now I can leave to work with my mind on ease
517 2011-03-22 05:11:32 <genjix> :)
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520 2011-03-22 05:12:39 <theymos> Previously I used rewrite rules to get the URL structure of blockexplorer.com, which was especially annoying when I had to make all changes twice to support SSL. (Now I wrote a PHP script that handles this.)
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522 2011-03-22 05:17:21 <Blitzboom> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4763.msg69507#msg69507
523 2011-03-22 05:18:03 <Blitzboom> although there are e-wallets â¦
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525 2011-03-22 05:20:14 <theymos> Most people should use EWallets. I'm not satisfied with any of the existing solutions, though.
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527 2011-03-22 05:21:05 <Blitzboom> what are you dissatisfied with?
528 2011-03-22 05:22:13 <theymos> MtGox has a terrible interface. MyBitcoin accepts payments with only 1 confirmation, which makes their money unsafe.
529 2011-03-22 05:22:41 <Blitzboom> ok, that sums it up pretty good. didnât know the latter
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531 2011-03-22 05:23:06 <Blitzboom> iâve also heard that the owner of mybitcoin is anonymous
532 2011-03-22 05:23:37 <theymos> Yes, he is. He never answers requests for information on the forum.
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534 2011-03-22 05:24:27 <Blitzboom> i donât see any basis to trust mybitcoin, then
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536 2011-03-22 05:25:12 <lfm> jgarzik: it wont let me select algo sse2_64
537 2011-03-22 05:25:45 <jgarzik> lfm: is sse2_64 listed in "./minerd --help"?
538 2011-03-22 05:25:53 <Kiba> jgarzik: how pastecoin goes?
539 2011-03-22 05:26:06 <lfm> jgarzik: no
540 2011-03-22 05:26:09 <jgarzik> Kiba: no progress since you last asked
541 2011-03-22 05:26:33 <jgarzik> lfm: then it did not get built. that requires yasm 1.0.1 (and the configure script finding yasm)
542 2011-03-22 05:26:36 <lfm> on a core2 quad
543 2011-03-22 05:26:49 <lfm> oh ok...
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548 2011-03-22 05:29:13 <lfm> jgarzik: btw the error messages suck (dont exist) :-) but I guess you know that
549 2011-03-22 05:29:36 <theymos> I wonder how MyBitcoin handles required fees. I suppose they have so many coins of various sizes that they rarely encounter fees.
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553 2011-03-22 05:30:58 <Blitzboom> i wonder how many bitcoins are on mybitcoin
554 2011-03-22 05:31:51 <lfm> I would think not really very many cuz it is so easy to set up your own bitcoin
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557 2011-03-22 05:33:13 <theymos> If you constantly sent and received BTC of differing amounts from MyBitcoin, you could probably see all their coins, since Bitcoin doesn't send coins with less than 6 confirmations unless it's out of coins with more confirmations.
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559 2011-03-22 05:35:44 <theymos> So deposit 200 BTC or whatever, then send yourself 0.01 repeatedly from MyBitcoin. MyBitcoin will run out of 6+ confirmation coins to send, looping back to coins that you've already seen. Then you know how many they have (all those from the first set).
560 2011-03-22 05:35:49 <Kiba> I like witcoin
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562 2011-03-22 05:39:09 <Blitzboom> they require 6 confirmations for payouts but only 1 for accepting bitcoins?
563 2011-03-22 05:39:21 <jgarzik> lfm: configure script errors?
564 2011-03-22 05:39:56 <theymos> Blitzboom: That's something that the Bitcoin client does automatically. It prefers to send coins with 6 confirmations.
565 2011-03-22 05:40:16 <Blitzboom> ok
566 2011-03-22 05:41:16 <Blitzboom> sounds like an interesting experiment
567 2011-03-22 05:42:09 <meeper> the grc.com youtube video is hilarious
568 2011-03-22 05:42:13 <meeper> but it does a good job
569 2011-03-22 05:45:29 <Kiba> grc.com?
570 2011-03-22 05:49:50 <meeper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQPSwA2Itbs&feature=player_detailpage#t=2514s
571 2011-03-22 05:50:17 <genjix> jgarzik: you have to propose features
572 2011-03-22 05:50:24 <genjix> that's why nothing shows
573 2011-03-22 05:50:32 <genjix> (nobody has made any proposals yet)
574 2011-03-22 05:50:43 <dissipate> meeper, hard drive recovery??
575 2011-03-22 05:50:49 <jgarzik> genjix: it's an underwhelming announcement if there is no data to wow people...
576 2011-03-22 05:51:41 <genjix> i'm sure people will figure out how it works
577 2011-03-22 05:52:25 <dissipate> i saw some test bounties up earlier
578 2011-03-22 05:52:34 <genjix> jgarzik: also why not add it to the signature? i think getting these bounties for core devs would be good for bitcoin
579 2011-03-22 05:52:45 <genjix> dissipate: yeah they were test spam
580 2011-03-22 05:52:45 <dissipate> shouldn't the first bounty be the bounty for the site? :O
581 2011-03-22 05:53:02 <meeper> what are some of the cooler bitcoin projects?
582 2011-03-22 05:53:17 <genjix> meeper: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4761.0
583 2011-03-22 05:53:22 <dissipate> meeper, http://bitcoin.cz.cc/
584 2011-03-22 05:54:04 <meeper> thanks
585 2011-03-22 05:54:33 <luke-jr> meeper: http://gitorious.org/bitcoin
586 2011-03-22 05:54:58 <theymos> Should the proposal specify payout terms?
587 2011-03-22 05:55:28 <genjix> whatever you wish
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589 2011-03-22 05:55:55 <genjix> it's an open field to put whatever you want.
590 2011-03-22 05:56:13 <theymos> Who decides when the terms are met?
591 2011-03-22 05:56:50 <genjix> is it better if I do or the ticket owner does?
592 2011-03-22 05:57:11 <genjix> I guess you do.
593 2011-03-22 05:58:24 <dissipate> theymos, whoever put up the post.
594 2011-03-22 05:58:31 <theymos> OK
595 2011-03-22 05:58:48 <dissipate> ideally there would be ratings
596 2011-03-22 05:59:00 <genjix> the donation *is* the rating lol
597 2011-03-22 05:59:12 <genjix> ok dissipate makes the policy, i write the code
598 2011-03-22 05:59:15 <genjix> sounds good
599 2011-03-22 05:59:59 <Blitzboom> nice
600 2011-03-22 06:00:16 <dissipate> genjix, chicken and egg problem. people are much less likely to donate to someone who doesn't have a reputation.
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602 2011-03-22 06:01:36 <genjix> dissipate: so should server operator decide payout then?
603 2011-03-22 06:02:10 <dissipate> nope. way too much overhead.
604 2011-03-22 06:02:26 <genjix> not that much overhead
605 2011-03-22 06:02:36 <genjix> look how slowly new features get added to bitcoin
606 2011-03-22 06:02:43 <dissipate> well for now. could get hefty.
607 2011-03-22 06:02:56 <genjix> worry about that if it happens then :p
608 2011-03-22 06:03:07 <genjix> otherwise it could be a nice bounty for core bitcoin dev
609 2011-03-22 06:03:20 <Blitzboom> dissipate: canât we have some sort of identification other than an ID?
610 2011-03-22 06:03:20 <dissipate> you could have appointed escrow agents who control the bounty. those agents would get rated.
611 2011-03-22 06:03:24 <genjix> e.g maybe some devs could even support themselves from donations
612 2011-03-22 06:03:44 <Blitzboom> GPG combined with the OTC WOT maybe?
613 2011-03-22 06:03:57 <dissipate> Blitzboom, yeah, GPG would be good.
614 2011-03-22 06:04:11 <Blitzboom> because this way, anyone could claim the donations
615 2011-03-22 06:04:26 <dissipate> claim them?
616 2011-03-22 06:04:38 <Blitzboom> i mean ⦠not release them
617 2011-03-22 06:04:49 <Blitzboom> the bounty*
618 2011-03-22 06:05:28 <Blitzboom> request a popular feature, get hundreds of BTC and then just not release it
619 2011-03-22 06:05:54 <dissipate> who posted that first bounty?
620 2011-03-22 06:06:11 <genjix> yep i think server operator should verify payouts
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622 2011-03-22 06:06:32 <dissipate> Blitzboom, right. that's why you need reputable escrow agents.
623 2011-03-22 06:06:40 <Blitzboom> oh wait, sorry
624 2011-03-22 06:06:41 <theymos> dissipate: I did.
625 2011-03-22 06:06:48 <Blitzboom> i thought anyone could set the address up
626 2011-03-22 06:07:03 <Blitzboom> i put up wallet encryption now
627 2011-03-22 06:07:12 <dissipate> Blitzboom, they can. that's why there needs to be ratings, as i said above.
628 2011-03-22 06:07:20 <meeper> where does bitcoin store the wallet by default?
629 2011-03-22 06:07:35 <Blitzboom> dissipate: ? the address was generated by the website
630 2011-03-22 06:07:37 <meeper> why does everybody want wallet encryption? why not just use truecrypt?
631 2011-03-22 06:07:40 <theymos> meeper: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Data_directory
632 2011-03-22 06:07:58 <Blitzboom> donât mind what i said before
633 2011-03-22 06:08:03 <Blitzboom> itâs alright like this
634 2011-03-22 06:08:50 <dissipate> genjix, the server operator could because it is only bitcoin and the number of bounties will be relatively small. in the general case, the server operator would have to be an expert in a huge number of technologies and types of software. it wouldn't work.
635 2011-03-22 06:09:52 <dissipate> meeper, truecrypt isn't entirely secure. it is a known problem for truecrypt that some stuff can end up in your swap unencrypted when your computer is reading from the true crypt volume.
636 2011-03-22 06:10:18 <theymos> Truecrypt your OS, then.
637 2011-03-22 06:10:36 <dissipate> i have full disk encryption myself.
638 2011-03-22 06:10:49 <genjix> dissipate: yep agree.
639 2011-03-22 06:11:13 <meeper> dissipate: really? I had no idea. holy crap
640 2011-03-22 06:11:20 <dissipate> wow, already 2 bounties up? interesting.
641 2011-03-22 06:11:33 <genjix> but this is for software dev. for other projects nefario's stock market would do fine.
642 2011-03-22 06:11:37 <dissipate> genjix, so you control all the addresses right now?
643 2011-03-22 06:12:28 <dissipate> meeper, yes, i *think* it is mentioned on the true crypt site.
644 2011-03-22 06:12:39 <genjix> yep
645 2011-03-22 06:13:29 <theymos> On Linux you can even dm-crypt your swap partition without encrypting your whole OS.
646 2011-03-22 06:15:00 <da2ce7> ;;bc,blocks
647 2011-03-22 06:15:00 <gribble> 114500
648 2011-03-22 06:15:28 <dissipate> meeper, see this: http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/paging-file
649 2011-03-22 06:16:01 <dissipate> swap leakage is a well known issue with true crypt. as theymos says, you are best off encrypting your swap as well.
650 2011-03-22 06:16:26 <Validus> smarter thing would be setup 2 cryptic partitions, so if you did get seized and forced to reveal a password you reveal the one for the partition of all your legal everything and never say nothing about the other :P
651 2011-03-22 06:17:08 <theymos> Validus: Then they'll ask you what that partition full of random data is.
652 2011-03-22 06:17:14 <Validus> they cant see that
653 2011-03-22 06:17:28 <dissipate> Validus, that's a separate issue from swap leakage
654 2011-03-22 06:17:38 <Validus> theres a few lil tricks you can do with truecrypt
655 2011-03-22 06:17:42 <theymos> They can if you have 2 disk partitions, or even if you use the Truecrypt "hidden OS" feature.
656 2011-03-22 06:17:48 <dissipate> theymos, they wouldn't be able to tell because it is a partition in a partition.
657 2011-03-22 06:17:59 <Validus> it hides it
658 2011-03-22 06:18:18 <theymos> Hidden volumes hide it, but you said "2 cryptic partitions".
659 2011-03-22 06:18:25 <Validus> funnier thing is to put on raid, and when they take the drives out to review seperately i would say about half arent smart enough to figure it out
660 2011-03-22 06:18:33 <Validus> it is cryptic
661 2011-03-22 06:18:35 <dissipate> Validus, i went the full disk encryption route myself. gives me better peace of mind. :)
662 2011-03-22 06:18:49 <lfm> i like putting a "dd if=/dev/urandom of=secret.dat bs=1024 count=93" type file in my home directory just for the hell of it.
663 2011-03-22 06:18:58 <Validus> if i was doing full disk id make a seperate one inside of it, depending what you have on there
664 2011-03-22 06:19:25 <Validus> that way you have one for all your regular stuff, legal, etc, then you have the other one that is completely hidden that they cant see
665 2011-03-22 06:19:39 <Validus> least thats better than peoples magnets ideas
666 2011-03-22 06:19:50 <theymos> Truecrypt's "Hidden OS" feature is pretty pointless IMO. It creates two partitions that are exactly the same size. It's obvious what you're doing.
667 2011-03-22 06:19:56 <Validus> if they got hardcore on you they have machines that can retrieve data off of broken harddrive fragments
668 2011-03-22 06:20:19 <Validus> theymos: if you set truecrypt up properly you can hide things inside the other one and they wont see it
669 2011-03-22 06:20:37 <Validus> i was actually told todo that by a security professional if you really wanna be safe
670 2011-03-22 06:21:03 <theymos> I'm aware of hidden volumes. But the "hidden OS" feature is not a real hidden volume.
671 2011-03-22 06:21:06 <lfm> Validus: hehe according to the conspiracy theorist they can recover data that way, in the real world it is rather doubtfull
672 2011-03-22 06:21:18 <Validus> lfm: its just expensive
673 2011-03-22 06:21:35 <lfm> ok tell me how much it costs?
674 2011-03-22 06:21:47 <Validus> write your senator and ask them
675 2011-03-22 06:21:52 <Validus> i dont have one
676 2011-03-22 06:21:53 <lfm> bs
677 2011-03-22 06:21:58 <Validus> whatever
678 2011-03-22 06:22:29 <meeper> is the bitcoin client stable on win7?
679 2011-03-22 06:22:41 <theymos> meeper: It is for me, though I'm using 0.3.15.
680 2011-03-22 06:22:45 <lfm> meeper: I use it on win 7 ok
681 2011-03-22 06:22:59 <meeper> hmm, just crashed for me, and now it won't start. suckage.
682 2011-03-22 06:23:22 <lfm> prolly your machine is crappy
683 2011-03-22 06:23:31 <Blitzboom> why .15, theymos?
684 2011-03-22 06:24:08 <lfm> meeper: if you want it do restart you prolly have to delete the data files and restart it
685 2011-03-22 06:24:31 <theymos> Blitzboom: It works fine.
686 2011-03-22 06:24:38 <Validus> ive never had to delete anything on win7 to have bitcoin run
687 2011-03-22 06:24:51 <Blitzboom> you suspect later versions to work less stable?
688 2011-03-22 06:25:07 <Blitzboom> iâve no idea, thatâs why iâm asking
689 2011-03-22 06:25:11 <lfm> Validus: once it starts crashing it may corrupt the databases
690 2011-03-22 06:25:41 <Validus> i only had it crash once, then it was fine, id at least start backing things up before you start deleting things
691 2011-03-22 06:25:48 <Validus> could just be a simple issue
692 2011-03-22 06:26:35 <lfm> well ya if you wanna save any coins you have received or expect to receive save the wallet.dat, delete the rest
693 2011-03-22 06:27:23 <Blitzboom> iâve never had bitcoin crash
694 2011-03-22 06:27:29 <theymos> Blitzboom: Based on the several complaints I've read, 0.3.20 "skips" received transactions occasionally, so I won't upgrade to that. .16-.19 are fine, though I don't need the features on my wallet-only client. I'm running 0.3.19.2 on my Internet-facing Bitcoin node.
695 2011-03-22 06:27:51 <meeper> so how long do transactions take in general? 1 hour?
696 2011-03-22 06:28:38 <lfm> meeper depends, typical txn take about 1 hour to get the nominal 6 confirmations ya
697 2011-03-22 06:28:52 <Blitzboom> i see
698 2011-03-22 06:29:03 <Validus> hmm i never saw .20 skip but i guess its possible
699 2011-03-22 06:29:18 <Blitzboom> i like the idea of a savings wallet that never gets exposed to the internet
700 2011-03-22 06:29:20 <Validus> or it could be ppl being impatient on it verifying
701 2011-03-22 06:29:52 <lfm> meeper when you first start it can take a long time to gather all the current block chain before it really is ready to do regular transactions
702 2011-03-22 06:30:00 <Blitzboom> does it make sense to use more than a single address on a savings wallet?
703 2011-03-22 06:30:43 <lfm> Blitzboom: you dont have much choice most of the time it will creat new addresses for every txn
704 2011-03-22 06:30:59 <Blitzboom> i mean
705 2011-03-22 06:31:14 <Blitzboom> does it make sense NOT to send constantly to a single address?
706 2011-03-22 06:31:32 <lfm> for best privacy you use separate adresses for every txn also
707 2011-03-22 06:31:36 <Blitzboom> iâm not sure if i need pseudonimity on my savings
708 2011-03-22 06:31:46 <theymos> Blitzboom: I also use my 0.3.15 client to create regular transactions. It's "-connect"ed to my 0.3.19 client. My savings wallet is encrypted on a disk, in several addresses of various sizes so I don't have to break a single huge coin when I want to spend.
709 2011-03-22 06:32:14 <lfm> Blitzboom: so ya it will still work fine if you only use one normal receive address
710 2011-03-22 06:32:38 <Blitzboom> of course, iâm just wondering whether i want that
711 2011-03-22 06:32:57 <Blitzboom> could turn out to be a disadvantage in the future
712 2011-03-22 06:33:21 <lfm> Blitzboom: just it may get confusing if you are expecting similar ammounts from different sources and they all use the same address
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714 2011-03-22 06:34:00 <Blitzboom> anyway: is there an easy way to create a bunch of (like 1000) addresses and copy them (the public hash) to a file?
715 2011-03-22 06:34:16 <Blitzboom> this would make it much easier for me
716 2011-03-22 06:34:31 <lfm> ya use the command line "newaddress" command and capture the output
717 2011-03-22 06:35:38 <lfm> make sure you back up your wallet then too
718 2011-03-22 06:35:57 <Blitzboom> iâm looking at https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_Calls_list
719 2011-03-22 06:36:49 <lfm> getnewaddress [account]
720 2011-03-22 06:36:52 <Blitzboom> yeah
721 2011-03-22 06:37:13 <Blitzboom> just copypaste 1000 times? ok
722 2011-03-22 06:37:31 <lfm> if you like work
723 2011-03-22 06:38:08 <Blitzboom> it should be easy to script
724 2011-03-22 06:38:15 <mmagic> rubber-hose encryption..!
725 2011-03-22 06:38:16 <lfm> bash can do a loop 1000 times real easy
726 2011-03-22 06:38:42 <Blitzboom> can you tell me how to?
727 2011-03-22 06:38:54 <mmagic> for i in $( seq 1 1000 ); do blah; done
728 2011-03-22 06:39:09 <lfm> ya sure make a bash loop, put the getnewaddress command in it
729 2011-03-22 06:39:22 <mmagic> or.. for (( i=0; i < 1000; i=i+1 )); do blah; done
730 2011-03-22 06:39:31 <theymos> or for i in {0..1000}
731 2011-03-22 06:39:46 <Blitzboom> ok, iâll try it out. thanks
732 2011-03-22 06:39:53 <mmagic> the list thing won't work if the arglist expands out to something too big.
733 2011-03-22 06:40:04 <mmagic> (same problem with the seq)
734 2011-03-22 06:42:26 <lfm> i=0; while [ $i -lt 1000 ] ; do i=$(($i+1)); blah ; done
735 2011-03-22 06:42:56 <lfm> work on any /bin/sh even if not bash
736 2011-03-22 06:48:30 <theymos> You could also run "watch -n 0.1 ./bitcoind getnewaddress >>file" for 100 seconds.
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738 2011-03-22 06:52:07 <mmagic> i=0; while [ $i -lt 1000 ] ; do i=$(($i+1)); echo $i; done ---> Illegal variable name.
739 2011-03-22 06:52:10 <mmagic> :P
740 2011-03-22 06:52:31 <mmagic> sorry
741 2011-03-22 06:52:41 <mmagic> being nit-picky today.
742 2011-03-22 06:52:47 <mmagic> i'll stop
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746 2011-03-22 06:58:58 <lfm> mmagic: hmmm works for me, what shell did you use?
747 2011-03-22 07:01:19 <mmagic> tcsh which is the default sh on old mac; also on old netbsd for root (but not toor); also that might fail on old Solaris but .. i don't remember now.
748 2011-03-22 07:01:54 <lfm> ok ya csh variants wont do it,
749 2011-03-22 07:01:59 <mmagic> and honestly it doesn't matter, since it's a corner case, the users of which wouldn't be caught anyway
750 2011-03-22 07:02:08 <lfm> they should not be linked to /bin/sh tho
751 2011-03-22 07:04:12 <lfm> ya pre-posix the $((exp)) might not work
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753 2011-03-22 07:04:58 <Keefe> theymos: i think i've seen the "skipping" you describe also
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755 2011-03-22 07:05:56 <Keefe> transactions initiated from another computer using the same wallet, don't always show up on the first one
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757 2011-03-22 07:06:25 <Blitzboom> Keefe: yeah, iâve experienced it today
758 2011-03-22 07:06:43 <Blitzboom> they show up after they are included in the block though
759 2011-03-22 07:06:50 <Keefe> .13 on the pc i do all transactions on, .19 on the pc i use for viewing only
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761 2011-03-22 07:07:30 <Keefe> Blitzboom: i think what i'm experiencing is a little different
762 2011-03-22 07:07:51 <Keefe> though i haven't given it a whole lot of attention
763 2011-03-22 07:08:06 <lfm> ya trying to use one wallet in two places is just asking for trouble
764 2011-03-22 07:08:06 <Keefe> i just copy the wallet over when i suspect it's not showing everything
765 2011-03-22 07:08:18 <Keefe> use on one pc, view on another
766 2011-03-22 07:08:21 <Blitzboom> err
767 2011-03-22 07:08:24 <Blitzboom> i used two wallets
768 2011-03-22 07:08:32 <theymos> I've seen 3-5 reports of seemingly-normal transactions that don't show up until a -rescan is done. Maybe they were doing something odd with their wallets, but it sounded to me like they were just normal transactions.
769 2011-03-22 07:09:03 <Blitzboom> i need an offline PC
770 2011-03-22 07:09:08 <lfm> sometimes they are new users and havnt got the whole block chain yet
771 2011-03-22 07:09:17 <Keefe> and yes i know that it's possible the 100 key buffer just got used up, but i think i've seen it happen very soon after a copy when i shouldn't have used nearly 100 keys yet
772 2011-03-22 07:09:18 <Blitzboom> should i buy one just for bitcoin?
773 2011-03-22 07:09:37 <lfm> bitcoin doesnt make much sense offline
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775 2011-03-22 07:09:56 <Blitzboom> lol, guess youâre right
776 2011-03-22 07:10:00 <Blitzboom> a usb stick would suffice
777 2011-03-22 07:10:08 <Blitzboom> several backups on offline mediums
778 2011-03-22 07:10:28 <Blitzboom> mediums you never insert into an online PC
779 2011-03-22 07:10:41 <Blitzboom> media*
780 2011-03-22 07:11:47 <Blitzboom> i really need to do that, else iâll just go paranoid
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786 2011-03-22 07:39:35 <genjix> :o
787 2011-03-22 07:39:40 <genjix> mybitcoin is a scam?
788 2011-03-22 07:39:42 <genjix> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4489.0
789 2011-03-22 07:41:24 <theymos> It's not a scam. Just unreliable.
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798 2011-03-22 08:23:44 <Blitzboom> http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/stats/timeline
799 2011-03-22 08:23:47 <Blitzboom> nice spike
800 2011-03-22 08:24:35 <theymos> From Reddit, maybe?
801 2011-03-22 08:24:45 <`Jaka> wait
802 2011-03-22 08:24:49 <`Jaka> what happened
803 2011-03-22 08:24:53 <`Jaka> with the chinese influx
804 2011-03-22 08:25:08 <Blitzboom> yeah, probably http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/g7zlw/google_engineer_releases_open_source_bitcoin/ caused it
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806 2011-03-22 08:25:21 <Blitzboom> really huge discussion there
807 2011-03-22 08:25:45 <lfm> why did it drop right back down?
808 2011-03-22 08:25:56 <Blitzboom> because itâs a new day, lfm
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810 2011-03-22 08:26:53 <Blitzboom> slashdot/security now was when �
811 2011-03-22 08:28:42 <Blitzboom> k, last slashdot was february 10th
812 2011-03-22 08:29:10 <Blitzboom> price could rise significantly again, letâs see
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820 2011-03-22 08:57:38 <FellowTraveler> hi all
821 2011-03-22 08:58:02 <lfm> hi
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839 2011-03-22 10:34:17 <xelister> lol USA airplane invading Lybia was downed, due to technical mallfunction
840 2011-03-22 10:34:34 ArtForz has joined
841 2011-03-22 10:34:36 <xelister> the mallfunction was movig with 3 mah and was seeking IR >_>
842 2011-03-22 10:34:52 <xelister> *3 Ma
843 2011-03-22 10:35:25 <RBecker> ;;bc,blocks
844 2011-03-22 10:35:26 <gribble> 114522
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846 2011-03-22 10:35:32 <xelister> ;;bc,stats
847 2011-03-22 10:35:34 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114522 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 389 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 0 hours, 36 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 67327.70704331
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856 2011-03-22 11:01:10 <noagendamarket> http://bunker.minichan.org/topic/3327 lawl!!!
857 2011-03-22 11:01:47 <noagendamarket> "That's no nerd. It's a gay biker."
858 2011-03-22 11:06:48 <Aciid> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4773.0
859 2011-03-22 11:06:51 <Aciid> be aware
860 2011-03-22 11:07:00 <Aciid> hacked paypal account at marketplace
861 2011-03-22 11:08:30 <noagendamarket> hmm
862 2011-03-22 11:09:07 <Keefe> wow, that's pretty stupid to try to sell a stolen account to bitcoiners
863 2011-03-22 11:10:01 <Keefe> they should know we're pretty aware of paypal fraud
864 2011-03-22 11:10:16 <Aciid> obviously bitcoin forums need more moderating
865 2011-03-22 11:10:27 <xelister> hmmm I have a tx from slush pool into me that is from 4:00 (so 8 hours old) and sill 0/unconfirmed ...
866 2011-03-22 11:11:19 <Keefe> hehe, look at his previous posts
867 2011-03-22 11:12:04 <Keefe> he wanted to buy $275 worth with paypal and wasn't interested in smaller amounts
868 2011-03-22 11:12:15 <Aciid> people should be noted about this
869 2011-03-22 11:12:25 <Aciid> no report button
870 2011-03-22 11:12:28 <Aciid> silly simplemachinesforum
871 2011-03-22 11:12:52 <Keefe> xelister: tiny amount?
872 2011-03-22 11:13:04 <xelister> Keefe: <1 btc
873 2011-03-22 11:13:21 <Keefe> xelister: have you checked blockexplorer to make sure it's not just a problem on your end?
874 2011-03-22 11:13:28 * xelister reports Aciid to the Internet Commision of Not Giving A Flying F-
875 2011-03-22 11:13:29 <molecular> there's 2050 unconfirmed tx right now
876 2011-03-22 11:13:59 <molecular> and only two blocks in last hour
877 2011-03-22 11:14:00 <molecular> hehe
878 2011-03-22 11:14:17 <molecular> xelister, how old is your tx?
879 2011-03-22 11:14:21 <Keefe> 8 hrs
880 2011-03-22 11:15:17 <Aciid> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=chronic_christ%40hushmail.com#sclient=psy&hl=en&source=hp&q=chronic_chris%40hushmail.com
881 2011-03-22 11:15:23 <Aciid> BAN HIM IMMIDIETLY
882 2011-03-22 11:15:28 <molecular> hmm. shouldn't the tx always be in pool's block? is it slush?
883 2011-03-22 11:15:30 <Aciid> HE IS SELLING STOLEN ACCOUNTS
884 2011-03-22 11:15:38 <Aciid> the results from google tell that already
885 2011-03-22 11:16:55 <xelister> Aciid: yeap would be good to mark him down
886 2011-03-22 11:18:56 <noagendamarket> dont ban him dox him :)
887 2011-03-22 11:19:04 <Blitzboom> Keefe: oh man
888 2011-03-22 11:19:33 <Blitzboom> he showed me an ebay account
889 2011-03-22 11:19:47 <Aciid> Blitzboom: he did?
890 2011-03-22 11:19:53 <Aciid> Blitzboom: probably fake
891 2011-03-22 11:19:55 <Blitzboom> http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/christhefunk
892 2011-03-22 11:20:04 <Blitzboom> no, he had access
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894 2011-03-22 11:20:12 <Blitzboom> because he wrote a message from me there
895 2011-03-22 11:20:19 <Keefe> did you fall for it?
896 2011-03-22 11:20:24 <Aciid> those are all stolen merchandise
897 2011-03-22 11:20:28 <Keefe> i'm guessing he stole the ebay account also
898 2011-03-22 11:20:32 <Blitzboom> i wouldâve
899 2011-03-22 11:20:32 <Keefe> oh
900 2011-03-22 11:20:35 <Aciid> that he has sold
901 2011-03-22 11:20:49 <Blitzboom> "You should receive payment tomorrow morning"
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903 2011-03-22 11:21:05 <Blitzboom> i was sceptic from then on
904 2011-03-22 11:21:09 <Aciid> Blitzboom: you did fall for it oh my god
905 2011-03-22 11:21:10 <Aciid> :<
906 2011-03-22 11:21:20 <Blitzboom> Aciid: ? i traded nothing
907 2011-03-22 11:21:23 <Aciid> ah
908 2011-03-22 11:21:24 <Aciid> ok
909 2011-03-22 11:21:49 <Blitzboom> i only send when i get the money, but this money is poisonos, obviously
910 2011-03-22 11:22:05 <Keefe> if i'd have known this was the person you were asking me about verifying their ebay account, i'd have said something
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912 2011-03-22 11:22:33 <Aciid> lets freeze his ebay/paypal
913 2011-03-22 11:22:33 <Blitzboom> hmm, why?
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915 2011-03-22 11:22:44 <Blitzboom> the paypal offer came in later
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917 2011-03-22 11:23:07 <Blitzboom> also: what proof do we have?
918 2011-03-22 11:23:08 <Keefe> Blitzboom: ok, i mean if i'd have seen the latest thread first
919 2011-03-22 11:23:30 <Blitzboom> because we can contact paypal then
920 2011-03-22 11:23:44 <Keefe> topic 4773 is a big red flag to me
921 2011-03-22 11:23:47 <Blitzboom> maybe we have his IP at the forums and can connect it to his real identity
922 2011-03-22 11:24:51 <molecular> hmm. I'm seeing a lot of "Problem communicating with bitcoin RPC" lately (poclbm -LAN-> bitcoin 0.3.20). Why is there problems... can the node be busy or something, it's on the local network after all ?
923 2011-03-22 11:25:24 <noagendamarket> hopefully he went full retard and didnt hide his ip
924 2011-03-22 11:26:02 <Blitzboom> bitcoin, the internet police
925 2011-03-22 11:26:12 <noagendamarket> lol
926 2011-03-22 11:26:41 <noagendamarket> paypal scammers deserve whatever they get
927 2011-03-22 11:27:03 <Blitzboom> iâm not critizising
928 2011-03-22 11:27:15 <Blitzboom> it should be very unattractive to scam
929 2011-03-22 11:27:29 <Blitzboom> so we better find out his identity
930 2011-03-22 11:31:18 <Blitzboom> he edited the thread?
931 2011-03-22 11:31:32 <Blitzboom> or was that a mod?
932 2011-03-22 11:34:10 <Keefe> i doubt a mod would edit it that way
933 2011-03-22 11:34:19 <Blitzboom> >hmm i can prove i am a reliable seller with ebay however my ebay is under a different paypal.
934 2011-03-22 11:34:24 <Aciid> it was him
935 2011-03-22 11:34:27 <Blitzboom> ok, shouldâve been suspicious from there on
936 2011-03-22 11:34:31 <Aciid> he has logged in
937 2011-03-22 11:34:43 <Blitzboom> anyone got a screenshot?
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939 2011-03-22 11:34:59 <Aciid> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4760.0'
940 2011-03-22 11:35:02 <Aciid> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4760.0
941 2011-03-22 11:35:06 <Aciid> someone quote post that quickly
942 2011-03-22 11:35:29 <Blitzboom> done
943 2011-03-22 11:35:41 <Aciid> damn we fine
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945 2011-03-22 11:36:24 <Aciid> should we pm him or something to leave the community alone
946 2011-03-22 11:36:35 <Blitzboom> no
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949 2011-03-22 11:50:17 <noagendamarket> release the hounds....
950 2011-03-22 11:50:19 <noagendamarket> lol
951 2011-03-22 11:51:24 <JFK911> lol
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955 2011-03-22 11:53:20 <wormwood> hrm, to have computers share same account I just make sure their wallets are the same?
956 2011-03-22 11:53:57 <Aciid> wormwood: they can have the same wallet
957 2011-03-22 11:54:09 <slush> xelister: Did the payment already arrived?
958 2011-03-22 11:54:16 dwdollar has joined
959 2011-03-22 11:54:56 <wormwood> cool, no need to mess around with the private / public keys of each comp? just transfer one wallet to the other and they 'mine' coins to the same account
960 2011-03-22 11:55:02 <wormwood> ?
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962 2011-03-22 11:55:24 <Keefe> wormwood: don't do that
963 2011-03-22 11:55:31 <wormwood> Keefe: :<
964 2011-03-22 11:55:49 <Keefe> unless you don't mind losing money :)
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966 2011-03-22 11:56:19 <Keefe> well, i guess you wouldn't lose money, as long as you never copied again, but the wallets would diverge
967 2011-03-22 11:56:39 <Keefe> and it will get very confusing if you spend from more than one copy of the same wallet
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969 2011-03-22 11:59:22 <xelister> slush: nope
970 2011-03-22 11:59:34 <xelister> slush: not that this is some huge loss ;) 0.25 ... but still curious
971 2011-03-22 12:00:01 <slush> That's interesting. Pool is paying fees for payouts
972 2011-03-22 12:00:20 <xelister> 0.26 actually
973 2011-03-22 12:00:30 <slush> Which turns me into loss slightly ;) But I hope that sendmany will be working now...
974 2011-03-22 12:00:33 <xelister> wrr, why bitcoin doesnt show any hash of TX or something
975 2011-03-22 12:00:38 <slush> s/now/today/
976 2011-03-22 12:01:11 <xelister> how to display all technical info of this tx?
977 2011-03-22 12:01:21 <slush> bitcoind.exe listtransactions
978 2011-03-22 12:01:22 <slush> ?
979 2011-03-22 12:01:31 <xelister> heaving 0/unconfirmed means that I seen a TX signed with slush'es key that we wants to pay this to me, right?
980 2011-03-22 12:01:39 <slush> yep
981 2011-03-22 12:01:50 <slush> do you see fess on it?
982 2011-03-22 12:01:52 <tcatm> look them up at blockexplorer
983 2011-03-22 12:01:53 <xelister> a 3 hours later transaction already got confirmed many times
984 2011-03-22 12:02:17 <slush> hm, isn't it yesterday's payout without fees included?
985 2011-03-22 12:02:18 <Validus> so if im in a pool i just need to have bitcoin open, and then the miner with the proper config? or do i need to open bitcoin or bitcoind with a server or daemon function
986 2011-03-22 12:02:36 <slush> Validus: you don't need bitcoin running for pooled mining
987 2011-03-22 12:02:52 <Validus> i didnt think so but rather be 100%
988 2011-03-22 12:02:58 <xelister> slush: bitcoin.exe ???
989 2011-03-22 12:03:05 * xelister bitshslaps slush with a metall guntlet
990 2011-03-22 12:03:12 <xelister> sir, I dont use windows.
991 2011-03-22 12:03:12 <slush> slush: lol, I though you're on win
992 2011-03-22 12:03:20 <Validus> xelister; i cant recreate your dual sata hdd bug on ubuntu
993 2011-03-22 12:03:21 <xelister> :<
994 2011-03-22 12:03:26 <Validus> ive tried all kinds
995 2011-03-22 12:03:29 <xelister> Validus: dual sata... ?
996 2011-03-22 12:03:35 <Validus> whatever you said it was of why you failed
997 2011-03-22 12:03:38 <Validus> lol
998 2011-03-22 12:03:53 <xelister> Validus: of that topic from week ago? oh, I just meh'ed it and I run on 1 hdd, its ok :)
999 2011-03-22 12:03:57 <slush> xelister: if you see tx in your client, then you have to wait. Next payments should be processed quickly
1000 2011-03-22 12:03:57 <Validus> you said was something with dual sata hdds being hooked up or something weird
1001 2011-03-22 12:04:30 <slush> http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/
1002 2011-03-22 12:04:30 <slush> xelister ^^ 2000 tx in the queue
1003 2011-03-22 12:04:37 <xelister> sata+ata+ata cdrom has issues on my box. I given up on this subject its closed. It may be some bios bug or god knows what :o but its also somehow connected to grub it seems..
1004 2011-03-22 12:05:02 <Validus> probably user lol
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1006 2011-03-22 12:08:00 <xelister> Validus: :<
1007 2011-03-22 12:08:56 <Validus> dont frowny face me. it makes us even now from all the past comments :P
1008 2011-03-22 12:09:54 <Aciid> comboy: It will look awful, and it will work nice.
1009 2011-03-22 12:09:56 <Aciid> may I quote that
1010 2011-03-22 12:09:59 <Aciid> jesus that is awesome
1011 2011-03-22 12:10:13 <Aciid> my webdev attitude, I'm not a designer for fuck sakes
1012 2011-03-22 12:10:46 <genjix> Aciid: ? link?
1013 2011-03-22 12:10:55 <Aciid> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4735.0
1014 2011-03-22 12:11:45 <genjix> oh
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1022 2011-03-22 12:32:05 <comboy> Aciid: heh, I'm just trying to be honest :)
1023 2011-03-22 12:32:52 <comboy> I'm happy to code, but I'm not willing to f** with css
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1029 2011-03-22 12:48:57 <TD> morning gavin
1030 2011-03-22 12:49:08 <TD> gavinandresen: any idea why there are so many unconfirmed transactions backing up?
1031 2011-03-22 12:51:21 <tcatm> TD: looks like someone split 50 BTC into 0.02 and 0.04 coins
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1033 2011-03-22 12:55:00 <tcatm> one of those transactions seems to make it into a block every 30 minutes on average
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1035 2011-03-22 12:56:23 <tcatm> => could take more than a month until all transactions are confirmed
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1039 2011-03-22 13:01:18 <TD> tcatm: why? there should be plenty of space in the blocks
1040 2011-03-22 13:01:31 <TD> is this still the fallout from the bug gavin already fixed?
1041 2011-03-22 13:01:48 <tcatm> which bug?
1042 2011-03-22 13:02:06 <TD> the one where the rules for tx creation and inclusion into blocks were mismatched
1043 2011-03-22 13:02:53 <TD> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4064.0
1044 2011-03-22 13:03:00 <tcatm> some of those transactions are already in blocks http://blockexplorer.com/address/13PkrKziRbHpJm9BPf7ZqKN3bu6VyJoByX
1045 2011-03-22 13:03:55 <Validus> OCLzubUFO.cl(42): warning: variable "it" was declared but never referenced
1046 2011-03-22 13:03:55 <Validus> uint it; <--any ideas on diablos miner?
1047 2011-03-22 13:04:57 <tcatm> Validus: which GPU?
1048 2011-03-22 13:05:30 <Validus> ati hd 4550
1049 2011-03-22 13:05:57 <Validus> [3/22/11 8:02:18 AM] ERROR: Failed to build program on ATI RV710 (#1) <-- thats at the end of that
1050 2011-03-22 13:06:14 <Validus> of the error that is, i know what the ati is
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1052 2011-03-22 13:06:53 <tcatm> TD: looks like spam to me. If you trace the inputs back you'll find they've been re-combined from similar small coins.
1053 2011-03-22 13:07:28 <Validus> its def something weird. if i install the other way for poclbm it tells me it has a failure in cl_get
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1055 2011-03-22 13:07:47 <tcatm> Validus: get a 5xxx
1056 2011-03-22 13:08:06 <Validus> well that comes later but thats not logical atm. i wanna know why
1057 2011-03-22 13:08:09 <TD> well maybe it's "spam" but very low volume spam
1058 2011-03-22 13:08:20 <TD> these latest blocks are tiny. they could easily drain the pool.
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1060 2011-03-22 13:09:18 <tcatm> maybe most miners forgot those transactions due to reboots?
1061 2011-03-22 13:09:50 slush has quit (Read error: No route to host)
1062 2011-03-22 13:10:41 <tcatm> do normal nodes accept transactions with orphaned inputs?
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1064 2011-03-22 13:13:19 <Validus> got it. i feel so dumb
1065 2011-03-22 13:18:00 <Validus> i just went by deepbit's syntax, -o is for host ip and i was using the actual name, and -l is for url, i dont know if it was always that way or not but after putting in the ip its working fine
1066 2011-03-22 13:20:45 <Validus> ok maybe not. dunno i just put on like 3 other packages to
1067 2011-03-22 13:20:46 <TD> tcatm: yes
1068 2011-03-22 13:20:51 <TD> i think so
1069 2011-03-22 13:22:07 <ArtForz> tcatm: also notice that a large part of those are chains of unconfirmed tx
1070 2011-03-22 13:22:10 <gavinandresen> good morning. the transaction backlog is mainly a penny-flooder who is just being annoying.
1071 2011-03-22 13:22:21 <ArtForz> which can only get in 1 per block
1072 2011-03-22 13:22:26 <ArtForz> yup
1073 2011-03-22 13:23:14 <TD> hmm
1074 2011-03-22 13:23:16 <gavinandresen> the -limitfreerelay option in the next release should fix it (their txns will just be dropped)
1075 2011-03-22 13:23:23 <TD> why can't entire chains make it into a block at once?
1076 2011-03-22 13:23:39 <ArtForz> TD: I guess to discourage spam...
1077 2011-03-22 13:23:53 <gavinandresen> yup.
1078 2011-03-22 13:24:01 <ArtForz> gavinandresen: btw, missing a crossplatform cond_wait_timeout sucks
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1080 2011-03-22 13:24:32 <gavinandresen> ArtForz: ?
1081 2011-03-22 13:25:04 <ArtForz> I'm working on moving CreateNewBlock into its own thread
1082 2011-03-22 13:25:19 <gavinandresen> Ah. Doesn't boost have something?
1083 2011-03-22 13:25:22 <ArtForz> nope
1084 2011-03-22 13:25:27 <ArtForz> only non-timout conds
1085 2011-03-22 13:25:35 <TD> pthreads+win32, are there any other thread libs that need to be supported?
1086 2011-03-22 13:25:55 <ArtForz> guess i could emulate one by just firing off the cond when timeout has elapsed from main thread
1087 2011-03-22 13:25:59 <tcatm> TD: I think there are still some miners who include such chains into blocks.
1088 2011-03-22 13:26:14 <gavinandresen> ... and they'll just encourage the penny-flooders...
1089 2011-03-22 13:26:30 <ArtForz> tcatm: yes, [Tycho]s pool for example
1090 2011-03-22 13:26:38 <TD> i wonder if these big chains are the result of actual malicious behavior or simply an unintended side-effect of some kind of business model
1091 2011-03-22 13:26:51 <ArtForz> thats whats creating all those 100kB blocks filled with spam
1092 2011-03-22 13:27:19 <gavinandresen> it is definitely malicious. Or somebody trying to make pretty patterns in bitcoinmonitor
1093 2011-03-22 13:28:07 <gavinandresen> Well, penny-flooders and mining pool payouts. sendmany should help with the pool payouts
1094 2011-03-22 13:28:32 <ArtForz> yep
1095 2011-03-22 13:28:44 <gavinandresen> (looking at bitcoinmonitor.com, I assume the vertical blue lines of dots are mining pools paying out)
1096 2011-03-22 13:28:47 <ArtForz> and randomly dropping spam from tx cache should slow spam quite a bit
1097 2011-03-22 13:29:09 <ArtForz> well, semi-randomly
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1099 2011-03-22 13:29:52 <TD> i worry we're going to end up with a mishmash of hard to understand rules that try to fight spam, when we could really just scale up to match it.
1100 2011-03-22 13:30:09 <TD> that said i'm a bit busy with my own client mode impl to finish off the c++ one, so i guess i am in no position to talk :-)
1101 2011-03-22 13:32:15 <ArtForz> I basically want to have createblock in its own long-lived thread, gets waken up once a minute and when a new block arrives
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1103 2011-03-22 13:33:26 <ArtForz> meh, I'll just do single-shot thread for now, easy enough to convert later
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1106 2011-03-22 13:43:11 <[Tycho]> Yesterday i stopped including flood txes in my blocks.
1107 2011-03-22 13:43:31 <[Tycho]> I hope noone was hurt by this.
1108 2011-03-22 13:44:02 <ArtForz> yeah, just noticed
1109 2011-03-22 13:44:26 <ArtForz> and the frequency of large blocks dropped significantly afterwards :)
1110 2011-03-22 13:45:26 <[Tycho]> Lenght of tx queue rose up to 2000 after this, but not increasing anymore.
1111 2011-03-22 13:45:58 <[Tycho]> I wonder if this will cause delays for my small payouts.
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1113 2011-03-22 13:46:34 <ArtForz> using sendmany yet?
1114 2011-03-22 13:47:20 <[Tycho]> No.
1115 2011-03-22 13:47:52 <[Tycho]> It's not so usefull unless others will accept this.
1116 2011-03-22 13:47:57 <ArtForz> why?
1117 2011-03-22 13:48:41 <[Tycho]> As i understand, it will not pass IsStandart check.
1118 2011-03-22 13:48:46 <ArtForz> so?
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1120 2011-03-22 13:49:03 <[Tycho]> So other miners will not accept this tx in their block.
1121 2011-03-22 13:49:04 <ArtForz> your pool finds a block every hour or so on average
1122 2011-03-22 13:49:21 <[Tycho]> I can include my txs in my blocks already anyway.
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1124 2011-03-22 13:49:42 <ArtForz> err. yeah.
1125 2011-03-22 13:49:51 <ArtForz> thats the simplest option
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1127 2011-03-22 13:50:19 <ArtForz> I just ignore min fee and dPriority for tx from or to me
1128 2011-03-22 13:50:30 <[Tycho]> I think that sendmany will be most effective when those txes will be accepted by everyone.
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1130 2011-03-22 13:51:01 <ArtForz> well, they will be accepted by the large pools first
1131 2011-03-22 13:51:08 <ArtForz> which make up about 50% of the network
1132 2011-03-22 13:51:16 <ArtForz> s/network/total network hashrate
1133 2011-03-22 13:52:46 <tcatm> [Tycho]: how many users do you pay on each payout?
1134 2011-03-22 13:53:30 <ArtForz> any admin alive? spam in development forum
1135 2011-03-22 13:56:57 <[Tycho]> tcatm, don't have such stats. May be ~20-50.
1136 2011-03-22 13:57:24 <tcatm> so every payout creates a chain of 20..50 unconfirmed transactions?
1137 2011-03-22 13:57:40 <[Tycho]> ArtForz, what are other benefits of sendmany ?
1138 2011-03-22 13:57:52 <[Tycho]> tcatm, may be yes.
1139 2011-03-22 13:57:53 <ArtForz> [Tycho]: lwoer total tx size
1140 2011-03-22 13:58:14 <ArtForz> each normal tx is ~280 bytes
1141 2011-03-22 13:58:32 <ArtForz> one sendmany is about 250 + 32 * num_outputs
1142 2011-03-22 13:58:51 <tcatm> a chain of 20 unconfirmed tx takes ~3 hours to confirm. If you mine 1block/hour you can confirm all of them within one hour.
1143 2011-03-22 13:59:17 <ArtForz> so for 50 outputs, thats ~ 14 vs 1.85 kB
1144 2011-03-22 14:00:11 <[Tycho]> ArtForz, that's nice. But what about benefits for me ?
1145 2011-03-22 14:00:55 <sipa> the miners in your pool will get their payments faster :)
1146 2011-03-22 14:01:51 <TD_> [Tycho]: it's just more efficient in general
1147 2011-03-22 14:01:58 <TD_> what's good for the network is good for you
1148 2011-03-22 14:02:23 <[Tycho]> Can't this make situation even worse while very few people will relay it ?
1149 2011-03-22 14:03:21 <ArtForz> same way we got 0.3.10 ahead should work
1150 2011-03-22 14:03:39 <tcatm> jgarzik and I tried sendmany on mainnet a few days ago. It worked well.
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1152 2011-03-22 14:04:08 <[Tycho]> When slush is going to use it ?
1153 2011-03-22 14:04:24 <ArtForz> I guess on next major release
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1155 2011-03-22 14:04:38 <ArtForz> slush doesnt seem to like running git master
1156 2011-03-22 14:04:48 <tcatm> ArtForz: do your miners accept sendmany?
1157 2011-03-22 14:04:51 <ArtForz> yup
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1159 2011-03-22 14:06:43 <TD_> it'd be interesting to embed the version number into the coinbase scriptsig
1160 2011-03-22 14:06:57 <TD_> that way we could plot graphs of hash power by version
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1162 2011-03-22 14:07:09 <sipa> and lose a tiny bit of anonymity
1163 2011-03-22 14:07:35 <tcatm> so [Tycho] could connect to ArtForz and bitcoincharts.com to double the hashing power that accepts sendmany
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1165 2011-03-22 14:08:23 <[Tycho]> bitcoincharts.com is a fast miner ?
1166 2011-03-22 14:08:48 <tcatm> Nope, but it's connected to one
1167 2011-03-22 14:09:00 <_4chan> sgornick: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4761.0
1168 2011-03-22 14:10:49 <ArtForz> btw, my node is pretty easy to spot anyways, as I kinda doubt theres many nodes left pretending to run 0.3.15.04 ;)
1169 2011-03-22 14:11:58 <TD_> hehe
1170 2011-03-22 14:12:25 <TD_> tcatm: a graph of unconfirmed transactions would be cool
1171 2011-03-22 14:12:25 <ArtForz> too lazy to update my frontend to report a newer version number
1172 2011-03-22 14:12:35 <tcatm> TD_: what should that look like?
1173 2011-03-22 14:12:52 <TD_> hour on the x axis, number of pending transactions on the y?
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1175 2011-03-22 14:13:16 <tcatm> good idea
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1177 2011-03-22 14:15:00 <tcatm> TD_: are you good at SQL?
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1179 2011-03-22 14:15:30 <TD_> not really :-) i mostly work with some bizarre google-internal dialect of sql rather than the standard type unfortunately
1180 2011-03-22 14:16:06 <sipa> which SQL, tcatm?
1181 2011-03-22 14:16:21 <tcatm> mysql
1182 2011-03-22 14:16:58 <[Tycho]> Hm, looks like there are some delayed payouts. Should really include my own txes.
1183 2011-03-22 14:17:10 <tcatm> I have two tables: bitcoin_block with fields height, hash and timestampt; bitcoin_transaction with hash, blockhash and timestamp
1184 2011-03-22 14:19:49 <_4chan> i'm good with SQL somewhat :p
1185 2011-03-22 14:20:14 <tcatm> great. 50 BTC if you can write a query that'll create the graph TD_ asked for
1186 2011-03-22 14:20:33 <_4chan> type:
1187 2011-03-22 14:20:38 <_4chan> DESCRIBE tablename;
1188 2011-03-22 14:21:04 <_4chan> for each table, and give me a few rows using SELECT * from tablename; and tell me what the result should be.
1189 2011-03-22 14:21:26 <sipa> select b.timestamp, -(select count(*) from bitcoin_transactions t where t.blockhash=b.blockhash) from bitcoin_block b union select t.timestamp, 1 from bitcoin_transaction t
1190 2011-03-22 14:21:58 <_4chan> bleh, how can you do that without knowing the tables?
1191 2011-03-22 14:21:58 <sipa> and then order that by timestamp (first result column), and calculate cumulative
1192 2011-03-22 14:22:02 <tcatm> http://pastebin.com/4ienFxJc
1193 2011-03-22 14:22:12 <sipa> of the second result column
1194 2011-03-22 14:22:15 <_4chan> ORDER BY timest ASC :p
1195 2011-03-22 14:22:43 <sipa> _4chan: i don't remember how to do an ordering after unioning two selects
1196 2011-03-22 14:22:50 <sipa> using a subsquery, probably
1197 2011-03-22 14:23:07 <_4chan> SELECT * FROM (...) ORDER BY timest ASC;
1198 2011-03-22 14:23:08 <_4chan> yeah
1199 2011-03-22 14:23:19 <tcatm> sipa: is the query complete?
1200 2011-03-22 14:23:49 <_4chan> tcatm: i think he did it. :p
1201 2011-03-22 14:23:59 <sipa> select (timestamp,sum(amount)) from (select b.timestamp, -(select count(*) from bitcoin_transactions t where t.blockhash=b.blockhash) as amount from bitcoin_block b union select t.timestamp, 1 from bitcoin_transaction t as amount)
1202 2011-03-22 14:24:33 <sipa> (not tested)
1203 2011-03-22 14:24:59 <sipa> oh
1204 2011-03-22 14:25:07 <sipa> select (timestamp,sum(amount)) from (select b.timestamp, -(select count(*) from bitcoin_transactions t where t.blockhash=b.blockhash) as amount from bitcoin_block b union select t.timestamp, 1 from bitcoin_transaction t as amount) order by timestamp ASC
1205 2011-03-22 14:25:27 <_4chan> yep
1206 2011-03-22 14:25:41 <_4chan> u win
1207 2011-03-22 14:25:57 <sipa> maybe no brackets around timestamp,sum(amount)
1208 2011-03-22 14:26:06 <_4chan> no 50 btc for genjix :(
1209 2011-03-22 14:26:36 <sipa> i've had help!
1210 2011-03-22 14:26:44 <tcatm> Error ... right syntax to use near 'as amount) order by timestamp ASC' at line
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1213 2011-03-22 14:27:34 <sipa> tcatm: i only have experience with postgresql, some of those things may be a little different
1214 2011-03-22 14:27:58 <sipa> if _4chan can fix it, he can have the reward, i've got work to do
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1218 2011-03-22 14:30:04 <tcatm> _4chan: can you? I might even give you access to the database
1219 2011-03-22 14:30:12 <_4chan> SELECT timestamp, SUM(amount) FROM (SELECT b.timestamp, -(SELECT COUNT(*) FROM bitcoin_transactions AS t WHERE t.blockhash=b.blockhash) AS amount FROM bitcoin_block AS b JOIN (SELECT t.timestamp, 1 FROM bitcoin_transaction AS t)) ORDER BY timestamp ASC;
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1221 2011-03-22 14:30:21 <_4chan> tcatm: yeah do that
1222 2011-03-22 14:30:33 _4chan is now known as genjix
1223 2011-03-22 14:31:05 <tcatm> k, just need to figure out how to do that
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1225 2011-03-22 14:31:48 <genjix> tcatm: give me a dump using mysqldump
1226 2011-03-22 14:31:59 <genjix> i can import it and much around without damaging your db
1227 2011-03-22 14:32:42 <genjix> mysqldump -u user -p > DATABASE
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1229 2011-03-22 14:32:54 <tcatm> that's a 700MB dump
1230 2011-03-22 14:33:02 <genjix> :o
1231 2011-03-22 14:33:35 <tcatm> I think mysql allows read only access to certain tables
1232 2011-03-22 14:33:40 <genjix> ok well make a backup, then give me access
1233 2011-03-22 14:33:47 <flok> tcatm: mysqldump -u user -p | gzip -9 > DATABASE
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1235 2011-03-22 14:34:03 <tcatm> flok: still 300MB
1236 2011-03-22 14:34:09 <tcatm> hashes don't compress well
1237 2011-03-22 14:34:16 <flok> true
1238 2011-03-22 14:34:17 <Zenergy> ...mysql
1239 2011-03-22 14:34:20 * Zenergy shivers
1240 2011-03-22 14:34:40 <flok> Zenergy: if you know how to use it, then it works really wel
1241 2011-03-22 14:34:41 <genjix> wait i have a solution
1242 2011-03-22 14:34:42 <flok> and fast
1243 2011-03-22 14:34:59 <Zenergy> But not as fast as other DB's :D
1244 2011-03-22 14:35:12 <genjix> or you can do mysqldump -u user -p --where='RAND() > 0.7'
1245 2011-03-22 14:35:25 <genjix> should export 30% of the rows
1246 2011-03-22 14:36:47 <Validus> you should be able to just parse all the data
1247 2011-03-22 14:37:11 <Validus> someone was talking about the other day... hmm
1248 2011-03-22 14:37:39 <genjix> you sound like homer simpson
1249 2011-03-22 14:37:44 <genjix> "hmm data"
1250 2011-03-22 14:37:52 <Validus> lol
1251 2011-03-22 14:38:19 <Validus> bad short term memory
1252 2011-03-22 14:39:38 <[Tycho]> Is there "sendmany" patch on github ?
1253 2011-03-22 14:40:18 <genjix> what is the purpose of sendmany patch?
1254 2011-03-22 14:40:57 <tcatm> genjix: mysql -h bitcoincharts.com -u guest -p bitcoincharts # password guest
1255 2011-03-22 14:41:00 <ArtForz> iirc it's already in master
1256 2011-03-22 14:41:16 <genjix> oh it's for efficient sending of coins.
1257 2011-03-22 14:41:20 <ArtForz> yep
1258 2011-03-22 14:41:26 <genjix> thanks tcatm
1259 2011-03-22 14:41:36 <ArtForz> allows to create a single transaction with many outputs
1260 2011-03-22 14:41:53 <tcatm> genjix: you also have access to the markets_trade table
1261 2011-03-22 14:42:00 <ArtForz> problem is, that doesnt pass older clients' isStandard() check
1262 2011-03-22 14:42:09 <TD_> IsStandard() is pretty draconian
1263 2011-03-22 14:42:25 TD_ is now known as TD[laptop]
1264 2011-03-22 14:42:28 <ArtForz> so they'll ignore those tx unless they get intoa block somehow
1265 2011-03-22 14:44:04 <tcatm> genjix: the query should allow limiting the timeframe (i.e. last 24 hours), but don't ignore transactions older than the starttimestamp when they aren't confirmed at that point
1266 2011-03-22 14:44:53 <ArtForz> well, the big pools combined are somewhere ~50% of total hashpower, so once tycho and slush accept em and addnode each other and/or bitcoincharts' node, sendmany tx should get into blocks "quick enough"
1267 2011-03-22 14:45:25 <ArtForz> or just wait for official 0.3.21
1268 2011-03-22 14:46:06 <ArtForz> we did without for months, a few weeks more wont really cause the end of the world
1269 2011-03-22 14:46:16 <genjix> ok tcatm
1270 2011-03-22 14:46:50 <tcatm> I'll remove unconfirmed spam tx from that database now.
1271 2011-03-22 14:47:21 <genjix> SELECT * FROM bitcoin_transaction AS tr JOIN bitcoin_block AS blk ON blk.hash=tr.hash;
1272 2011-03-22 14:47:27 <genjix> that returns 0 results.
1273 2011-03-22 14:49:29 <tcatm> yep
1274 2011-03-22 14:49:36 <tcatm> blk.hash=tr.block;
1275 2011-03-22 14:49:44 <genjix> aha ok
1276 2011-03-22 14:50:14 <xelister> genjix: mind sending me 0.01 btc I will send you back, testing something
1277 2011-03-22 14:50:16 <tcatm> use limit. there are 360529 transactions in that database
1278 2011-03-22 14:51:06 <CIA-96> bitcoinj: hearn@google.com * r36 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Implement block work calculations, add a test. Small internal refactoring of BlockChain in preparation for bigger changes.
1279 2011-03-22 14:51:13 <xelister> ;; bc,stats
1280 2011-03-22 14:51:15 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114543 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 368 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 20 hours, 41 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 67276.03007518
1281 2011-03-22 14:51:16 <xelister> ;; bc,stat
1282 2011-03-22 14:51:16 <gribble> Error: "bc,stat" is not a valid command.
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1288 2011-03-22 15:02:23 <ArtForz> lol, http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4780.0
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1290 2011-03-22 15:04:47 <Diablo-D3> > My service comes with a ben bernank - a wizard who's special powers keep the deflation away by storing all your coins in the goldman sacks
1291 2011-03-22 15:04:51 <Blitzboom> haha oh wow ArtForz
1292 2011-03-22 15:04:55 * Diablo-D3 just facepalms
1293 2011-03-22 15:05:04 <ArtForz> I love it
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1303 2011-03-22 15:23:08 <luke-jr> there, now http://gitorious.org/bitcoin has every (?) bitcoin-related project
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1309 2011-03-22 15:31:40 <jgarzik> [Tycho], slush: do your miners yet accept sendmany?
1310 2011-03-22 15:31:56 <ArtForz> *chuckle*
1311 2011-03-22 15:32:03 <ArtForz> http://blockexplorer.com/t/4NsPcoKN2E
1312 2011-03-22 15:32:28 <ArtForz> note tx size and output 0 value ;)
1313 2011-03-22 15:32:38 <genjix> tcatm: is this correct? http://pastebin.com/W6uTaikx
1314 2011-03-22 15:33:01 <genjix> i thought blocks could only be minted every 10 mins max
1315 2011-03-22 15:33:03 <luke-jr> ArtForz: hah
1316 2011-03-22 15:33:20 <luke-jr> genjix: you thought wrong
1317 2011-03-22 15:33:26 <genjix> so why does bitcoin_transaction.block differ for same timestamps?
1318 2011-03-22 15:33:29 <genjix> i see
1319 2011-03-22 15:33:37 <luke-jr> the difficulty calculation tries to target 10 minute average
1320 2011-03-22 15:33:37 <Zenergy> I have 0.01 bitcoins. Yay pool-mining!
1321 2011-03-22 15:33:51 <lfm> Zenergy: wtg
1322 2011-03-22 15:34:04 <luke-jr> Zenergy: you paid more than 0.01 bitcoins for the electricity to get it!
1323 2011-03-22 15:34:15 <Zenergy> I know
1324 2011-03-22 15:34:28 <Zenergy> lfm, wtg?
1325 2011-03-22 15:34:33 <sipa> way to go
1326 2011-03-22 15:35:01 <luke-jr> lfm: http://gitorious.org/bitcoin look useful? :D
1327 2011-03-22 15:36:48 <striped> that 0.01 btc might eventually be worth more than the current cost of electricity used, if the concern is purely about profits
1328 2011-03-22 15:36:55 <luke-jr> lol
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1330 2011-03-22 15:37:14 <luke-jr> new approach to CPU mining: speculative future value
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1332 2011-03-22 15:37:42 <ArtForz> erm, wouldnt just buying the btc end up cheaper?
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1334 2011-03-22 15:37:56 <striped> yes it would
1335 2011-03-22 15:38:09 <striped> a lot cheaper
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1337 2011-03-22 15:38:32 <lfm> depends who pays how much for power
1338 2011-03-22 15:38:46 <luke-jr> ArtForz++
1339 2011-03-22 15:39:05 <striped> lfm: true
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1341 2011-03-22 15:41:00 <tcatm> genjix: that output looks strange. is the timestamp really from the block?
1342 2011-03-22 15:41:10 <lfm> also there can be fees for buying btc so 0.01 btc could be very expensive
1343 2011-03-22 15:42:11 <BlueMatt> by default, do command line switches override gui checkboxes or vice-versa or what?
1344 2011-03-22 15:42:13 <genjix> tcatm: ok typo... t.timestamp -> b.timestamp... but is the output generally looking correct? this is what you meant? (still adding to it)
1345 2011-03-22 15:43:54 <tcatm> genjix: timestamp and number of unconfirmed tx at that point would be enough
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1347 2011-03-22 15:44:27 <tcatm> also, quantizing timestamp to intervals might be useful to reduce the number of returned rows
1348 2011-03-22 15:44:50 <slush> jgarzik: yes
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1350 2011-03-22 15:52:55 <genjix> but don't ignore transactions older than the starttimestamp when they aren't confirmed at that point
1351 2011-03-22 15:53:20 <genjix> tcatm: what does that mean? surely if you use the timestamp from the blocks (first confirm) then that doesn't matter
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1353 2011-03-22 15:54:22 <tcatm> let's say I want to start the graph at timestamp 2011-03-15, then the first result should include all unconfirmed tx before that date
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1355 2011-03-22 15:55:03 <genjix> ok.
1356 2011-03-22 15:56:40 <[Tycho]> jgarzik, i will accept sendmany after next bitcoind restart.
1357 2011-03-22 15:56:56 <[Tycho]> Currently i should already autoaccept all my own txes.
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1361 2011-03-22 16:01:40 <x6763> ;;bc,stats
1362 2011-03-22 16:01:41 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114550 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 361 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 19 hours, 41 minutes, and 15 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 67254.96022549
1363 2011-03-22 16:02:02 <eevar> is the data mining / block hash algorithm described anywhere, in text form? -- I've found source code, but would rather not have to read C
1364 2011-03-22 16:02:44 <tcatm> eevar: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3546.15
1365 2011-03-22 16:03:19 <x6763> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Block_hashing_algorithm
1366 2011-03-22 16:03:26 <[Tycho]> What can be easier to understand than C code ?
1367 2011-03-22 16:03:40 <Aciid> shell
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1370 2011-03-22 16:05:14 <BlueMatt> Aciid: no that can look really ugly too
1371 2011-03-22 16:05:17 <luke-jr> hmm
1372 2011-03-22 16:05:27 <luke-jr> that 10 TBC I sent to someone new yesterday is taking a while to confirm
1373 2011-03-22 16:05:37 <Zenergy> send it to me :D
1374 2011-03-22 16:05:43 <luke-jr> addy?
1375 2011-03-22 16:05:51 <tcatm> luke-jr: was it a valid tx?
1376 2011-03-22 16:05:56 <luke-jr> tcatm: should be
1377 2011-03-22 16:05:58 <Aciid> BlueMatt: I love bash
1378 2011-03-22 16:05:59 <Zenergy> 1KSAZtPvCAtn8E8GGYbxg5X6LGBJSRaNrV
1379 2011-03-22 16:06:00 <tcatm> i.e. pass IsStandard()?
1380 2011-03-22 16:06:11 <luke-jr> Zenergy: sent
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1382 2011-03-22 16:06:14 <luke-jr> tcatm: yeah, it should
1383 2011-03-22 16:06:15 <Zenergy> might be an hour or two before I can confirm
1384 2011-03-22 16:06:31 <BlueMatt> Aciid: as do I, but some of it can start to look ugly in some cases
1385 2011-03-22 16:07:14 <tcatm> luke-jr: found it. http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/#85e25ae74f5e999f84af8919bf512d52da40e7908642a7e453221ba94eecdbc1
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1387 2011-03-22 16:07:55 <eevar> tcatm: thanks
1388 2011-03-22 16:08:51 <eevar> x6763: as far as I can tell, that wiki page is lacking in details. the puthon code is applying two hashes and so on, no mention of that in the wiki
1389 2011-03-22 16:09:59 <ArtForz> probably because bitcoins standard hash method is double-sha256
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1392 2011-03-22 16:11:43 <ArtForz> actually ... do we use plain sha256 anywhere?
1393 2011-03-22 16:12:54 <[Tycho]> :)))
1394 2011-03-22 16:14:56 <x6763> eevar: the block hashing algorithm just involves taking a block header, doing a double sha-256 hash, checking if it meets the current difficulty target (there's wiki pages for difficulty and target, too), and if not, increment the nonce and repeat and increment the extra nonce in the block gen tx when the nonce overflows
1395 2011-03-22 16:15:19 <x6763> eevar: i don't know much about the info from the getwork rpc command, though
1396 2011-03-22 16:18:39 <eevar> what is the "midstate" good for?
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1398 2011-03-22 16:19:53 <x6763> i'd like to know that, too...hopefully one of the miner developers will fill us in on the meaning of all of the getwork stuff
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1400 2011-03-22 16:20:52 <ArtForz> it's the result of the first sha256 block of the inner hash
1401 2011-03-22 16:20:55 <luke-jr> eevar: optimization
1402 2011-03-22 16:22:04 <tcatm> blockheader is two sha256 blocks (1 block = 512 byte). midstate is the internal state of the after hashing the first block. luckily the nonce is in the second block so we don't have to hash the first block again when incrementing nonce
1403 2011-03-22 16:22:12 <ArtForz> yep
1404 2011-03-22 16:23:04 <eevar> ok. thanks
1405 2011-03-22 16:23:31 <lfm> also in the second half is the timestamp which in most versions can be updated without a new getwork
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1407 2011-03-22 16:23:58 <LtBrenton> ;;bc,stats
1408 2011-03-22 16:24:01 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114552 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 359 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 19 hours, 18 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 67263.38658146
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1411 2011-03-22 16:25:23 <lfm> the extranonce is in the block gen txn and would need a new getwork to update it
1412 2011-03-22 16:27:15 <tcatm> does anyone have python code to verify blocks and transactions?
1413 2011-03-22 16:27:55 <phantomcircuit_> i have code to verify the block chain
1414 2011-03-22 16:28:03 <phantomcircuit_> but it doesn't check txs yet
1415 2011-03-22 16:28:43 <tcatm> is it available somewhere?
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1417 2011-03-22 16:29:02 <phantomcircuit_> http://github.com/phantomcircuit/bitcoin-alt
1418 2011-03-22 16:29:19 <phantomcircuit_> it'll download the block chain and calculate each blocks height
1419 2011-03-22 16:29:41 <phantomcircuit_> height based on difficulty
1420 2011-03-22 16:29:55 <tcatm> thx
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1422 2011-03-22 16:33:27 <genjix> tcatm: http://pastebin.com/aQYJbAJg
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1424 2011-03-22 16:33:36 <x6763> phantomcircuit_: interesting...does it verify the timestamps are within the correct time range and that the changes in difficulty are correct?
1425 2011-03-22 16:33:37 <genjix> the summing part is hard to do and doesn't make sense.
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1427 2011-03-22 16:33:49 <x6763> doh, he left
1428 2011-03-22 16:33:49 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: did you just add that to github?
1429 2011-03-22 16:33:58 <genjix> it will be very inefficient, so you should do that manually yourself.
1430 2011-03-22 16:34:02 <x6763> phantomcircuit: interesting...does it verify the timestamps are within the correct time range and that the changes in difficulty are correct?
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1432 2011-03-22 16:34:04 <genjix> cumulative
1433 2011-03-22 16:34:04 <phantomcircuit> it's been there for a while
1434 2011-03-22 16:34:10 <genjix> accumulate
1435 2011-03-22 16:34:13 * luke-jr stabs GitHub's crappy search
1436 2011-03-22 16:34:15 <phantomcircuit> x6763, nope
1437 2011-03-22 16:35:03 <genjix> tcatm: but everything else is there (grouping transactions by interval, and selecting a start time)
1438 2011-03-22 16:35:22 <genjix> also let me make a query to get all unconfirmed transactions.
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1440 2011-03-22 16:36:12 <tcatm> that's easy: select * from bitcoin_block where block = "";
1441 2011-03-22 16:36:14 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: let me know if you want control of http://gitorious.org/bitcoin/bitcoin-alt
1442 2011-03-22 16:36:18 <genjix> ok
1443 2011-03-22 16:37:19 <genjix> the interval is decided by the divisor in the GROUP BY clause (it's a hack)
1444 2011-03-22 16:38:08 <phantomcircuit> grouping transactions by interval?
1445 2011-03-22 16:38:34 <genjix> the start time is indicated by "NOW() - INTERVAL 100 MINUTE" but can be replaced with FROM_UNIXTIME(start_posix_time)
1446 2011-03-22 16:38:46 <phantomcircuit> x6763, basically im relying on the core assumption that you'd need > 50% of the networks processing time to form a longer block chain
1447 2011-03-22 16:39:24 <x6763> phantomcircuit: yep
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1449 2011-03-22 16:41:08 <x6763> phantomcircuit: last time i touched my code i was working on those verifications...if i remember right, i thiunk i was pretty much done with them, but i gotta get back into the code and also dig around the bitcoin source some more to make sure i'm not missing any other checks
1450 2011-03-22 16:42:04 <tcatm> genjix: are you sure it's working correct? the last row should show 189 unconfirmed tx
1451 2011-03-22 16:42:13 <x6763> (i'll apologize to everyone now for any slow responses or typos as i broke an arm recently and am typing mostly one-handed, lol)
1452 2011-03-22 16:42:26 <jgarzik> [Tycho], slush: thanks!
1453 2011-03-22 16:43:18 <quinkin> hi folks - I can't get "bitcoind getinfo" to return anything on the terminal (but it consumes a core of processing) on debian using the 0.3.20.2 package. Anyone know what is happening?
1454 2011-03-22 16:44:50 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
1455 2011-03-22 16:44:52 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114553 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 358 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 19 hours, 7 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 67264.44002443
1456 2011-03-22 16:45:11 <quinkin> I also have server=1 in the conf file but no ports listening visible in netstat - However I thought this may be normal during the initial block stage.
1457 2011-03-22 16:45:39 <JFK911> Next Difficulty At Block: 114911
1458 2011-03-22 16:45:43 <JFK911> i smell a conspiracy here
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1461 2011-03-22 16:51:37 <genjix> tcatm: it doesn't cumulate the values
1462 2011-03-22 16:52:17 <genjix> it shows the number of newly hashed tx per interval
1463 2011-03-22 16:52:46 <genjix> you need to do that in code (cumulate the values & + unconfirmed tx)
1464 2011-03-22 16:53:46 <EvanR-work> lol JFK911
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1466 2011-03-22 16:56:58 <quinkin> Any ideas on how I could track down what is happening? Attaching an strace to the main bitcoind process or the getinfo one shows a whole lot of stat64, mmap and rt_sigprocmask but there are no obvious errors (just nohwcap and preload which should be fine, and some path iteration fails before it finds bitcoind)
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1469 2011-03-22 17:01:05 <genjix> nice http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12811197
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1476 2011-03-22 17:13:39 <nanotube> genjix: heh cool
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1479 2011-03-22 17:18:27 <genjix> ducki2p: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4613
1480 2011-03-22 17:18:36 <genjix> ducki2p: it *is* at NiMK
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1482 2011-03-22 17:22:26 <Zenergy> genjix, in other news people will retain the same amount of intelligence
1483 2011-03-22 17:23:31 <ducki2p> genjix: thanks for the update
1484 2011-03-22 17:23:42 <BlueMatt> C++/boost noob question: why can StartNode call the various Threads if they arent defined in headers (ie cannot be called from other functions)?
1485 2011-03-22 17:24:11 <TD_> devrandom: hey ;)
1486 2011-03-22 17:24:30 <devrandom> hi TD_
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1489 2011-03-22 17:25:00 <xelister> BlueMatt: line/file?
1490 2011-03-22 17:25:12 <BlueMatt> xelister: net.cpp ~1500
1491 2011-03-22 17:25:59 <tcatm> genjix: how should I sum the values?
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1493 2011-03-22 17:27:04 <tcatm> BlueMatt: net.cpp only has 1477 lines
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1495 2011-03-22 17:27:30 <BlueMatt> tcatm: oh oops Im on upnp branch well net.cpp very close to the bottom in StartNode
1496 2011-03-22 17:27:58 <tcatm> CreateThread(ThreadFoo...?
1497 2011-03-22 17:28:02 <BlueMatt> yea
1498 2011-03-22 17:28:15 <BlueMatt> how does that work when ThreadFoo isnt defined?
1499 2011-03-22 17:28:44 <BlueMatt> ie no other functions in net.cpp can call it
1500 2011-03-22 17:28:47 <tcatm> headers.h -> rpc.h
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1502 2011-03-22 17:28:53 <tcatm> for ThreadRPCServer
1503 2011-03-22 17:29:02 <genjix> tcatm: in your script for each row, you sum the current row all the way to the end of the array
1504 2011-03-22 17:29:20 <ArtForz> ?
1505 2011-03-22 17:29:29 <ducki2p> genjix: you link to a 404 though; http://pixxxel.net/2011/03/bitcoin-digital-currency/
1506 2011-03-22 17:29:30 <genjix> values[i] + values[i+1] + ... + values[len-1]
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1508 2011-03-22 17:29:54 <tcatm> genjix: what about transactions that are confirmed in later blocks?
1509 2011-03-22 17:30:05 <ArtForz> nm
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1512 2011-03-22 17:30:21 <BlueMatt> tcatm: ok have no idea about RPCServer, but what about ThreadOpenConnections?
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1514 2011-03-22 17:30:29 <genjix> tcatm: yeah that can be problematic.
1515 2011-03-22 17:30:50 <xelister> I have a magical tx that isnt confirmed for like 50 blocks now
1516 2011-03-22 17:30:50 <ArtForz> BlueMatt: same thing?
1517 2011-03-22 17:30:50 <tcatm> genjix: that's a key feature to make the chart work
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1519 2011-03-22 17:31:07 <genjix> ducki2p: do you want to be part of it?
1520 2011-03-22 17:31:27 <BlueMatt> ArtForz: no ThreadOpenConnections isnt defined anywhere
1521 2011-03-22 17:31:29 <tcatm> BlueMatt: it's defined in net.cpp:937
1522 2011-03-22 17:31:34 <ArtForz> BlueMatt: it's defined further up in net.cpp, duh
1523 2011-03-22 17:31:43 <BlueMatt> well the function is defined there
1524 2011-03-22 17:31:51 <BlueMatt> but why can it not be called from anywhere else in net.cpp?
1525 2011-03-22 17:31:56 <ducki2p> genjix: unfortunately I wont be able to make 15:00
1526 2011-03-22 17:32:02 <genjix> meh
1527 2011-03-22 17:32:07 <ArtForz> err... it can, form anywhere below it
1528 2011-03-22 17:32:20 <BlueMatt> ArtForz: ...well I did say it was a noob question
1529 2011-03-22 17:32:39 <BlueMatt> the sad part is I actually knew that one
1530 2011-03-22 17:32:43 <tcatm> BlueMatt: add the prototype to net.h
1531 2011-03-22 17:32:52 <ArtForz> yup
1532 2011-03-22 17:33:08 <ArtForz> well, if you want to call it externally...
1533 2011-03-22 17:33:23 <quinkin> Is there any other form of execution feedback I can get other than "bitcoind getinfo" - I have no idea if anything is actually happening apart from CPU being consumed.
1534 2011-03-22 17:33:26 <BlueMatt> ArtForz: no I dont, thanks though
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1537 2011-03-22 17:40:50 <jgarzik> quinkin: turn off coin generation
1538 2011-03-22 17:41:15 <jgarzik> quinkin: you will waste electricity for a year, before generating 50 BTC.
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1541 2011-03-22 17:43:22 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: the definition of ThreadFoo() occurs before the usage of ThreadFoo
1542 2011-03-22 17:43:37 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: for the cases where ThreadFoo does not appear in a head3er
1543 2011-03-22 17:43:59 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: yep ArtForz cleared that up for me, thanks all
1544 2011-03-22 17:44:13 <BlueMatt> almost got upnp in wxgui
1545 2011-03-22 17:44:31 <BlueMatt> now all thats left is win support
1546 2011-03-22 17:45:26 <quinkin> jgarzik: ok gen=0 and I have restarted but bitcoind getinfo still just sits and spins.
1547 2011-03-22 17:46:14 <jgarzik> quinkin: do you have rpc user/password set correctly in bitcoin.conf? are you running any non-standard options such as alternate port?
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1549 2011-03-22 17:48:15 <BlueMatt> god uiproject pretty much got the entire file update just to add one checkbox
1550 2011-03-22 17:48:55 <quinkin> jgarzik: rpcport=8332 and rpcuser/rpcpass set
1551 2011-03-22 17:49:40 <BlueMatt> tcatm: didnt you say there was a reason why uiproject got entirely updated for a simple change? something to do with line endings?
1552 2011-03-22 17:49:44 <jgarzik> quinkin: what is the behavior of "telnet localhost 8332\nGET / HTTP/1.0\n\n\n"
1553 2011-03-22 17:51:22 <quinkin> jgarzik: connection refused - nothing shows in netstat for the main bitcoind process
1554 2011-03-22 17:52:07 <eevar> quinkin: does bitcoind show up in top/process explorer?
1555 2011-03-22 17:52:12 <jgarzik> quinkin: sounds like you need to pass -server, to enable the RPC server. otherwise getinfo, an RPC command, won't work.
1556 2011-03-22 17:52:47 <quinkin> eevar: yeah, using about 50% of a dual core
1557 2011-03-22 17:52:51 <tcatm> BlueMatt: recode latin1..dos uiproject.fbp
1558 2011-03-22 17:53:09 <quinkin> jgarzik: even when server=1 set in the conf? I'll give it a try.
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1560 2011-03-22 17:53:54 <jgarzik> quinkin: server=1 should work... but it couldn't hurt to try
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1562 2011-03-22 17:54:21 <quinkin> jgarzik: no dice, still shows nothing in netstat and telnet to port 8832 refused
1563 2011-03-22 17:55:04 <Kiba`> victory is mine!
1564 2011-03-22 17:55:04 <eevar> sure you really did restart it?
1565 2011-03-22 17:55:16 <jgarzik> quinkin: 8832 or 8332?
1566 2011-03-22 17:55:43 <quinkin> jgarzik: yeah 8332 sorry
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1568 2011-03-22 17:57:36 <BlueMatt> tcatm: thanks
1569 2011-03-22 17:58:08 <quinkin> eevar: yeah I am not detaching the process at the moment, top shows no cpu use when shutdown and ps doesnt list a bitcoind process
1570 2011-03-22 17:59:04 <jgarzik> quinkin: debug.log is data directory is full of useful info
1571 2011-03-22 18:00:19 <quinkin> jgarzik: do I need a flag to enable that? no log files in ~/.bitcoin/
1572 2011-03-22 18:02:13 <jgarzik> quinkin: no. if bitcoin runs even for one second before crashing, you get a debug.log in your -datadir
1573 2011-03-22 18:05:31 <Kiba`> Bitcoin capitalist pigs unite!
1574 2011-03-22 18:05:48 <quinkin> jgarzik: hrm... I can't find debug.log anywhere on the harddrive, I haven't set datadir in the conf or on the command line but I believe it defaults to ~/.bitcoin/
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1576 2011-03-22 18:06:10 <jgarzik> quinkin: yes, it defaults to ~/.bitcoin. does bitcoind have write permission to that dir?
1577 2011-03-22 18:07:20 <quinkin> jgarzik: it is full perms for the user it is running as, and about 5 hours ago it created a .elf file successfully
1578 2011-03-22 18:07:58 <jgarzik> quinkin: what is a .elf file?
1579 2011-03-22 18:08:10 * jgarzik has heard of ELF, but...
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1581 2011-03-22 18:09:02 <quinkin> jgarzik: beats me (all I know are ELF executables) - it is a long string of hex characters then .elf, 200643 bytes worth....
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1585 2011-03-22 18:11:43 <jgarzik> quinkin: weird :) and presumably unrelated.
1586 2011-03-22 18:11:52 <jgarzik> quinkin: this is my bitcoin.conf: http://pastebin.com/hHeqekqa
1587 2011-03-22 18:11:59 <quinkin> jgarzik: running file on it reports: 4dbafb587b703cf56c2d2263856fab4c.elf: ASCII C++ program text, with very long lines
1588 2011-03-22 18:12:37 <jgarzik> quinkin: and I run bitcoind with: nohup nice -n19 /spare/repo/bitcoin.hacks/bitcoind -noirc -datadir=/garz/bitcoin/data -server &
1589 2011-03-22 18:12:46 <jgarzik> quinkin: bitcoin.conf is stored in /garz/bitcoin/data
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1592 2011-03-22 18:16:49 <maurice> Hello, new user here. My second transaction is moving BTC to BTCSportsbet, and it is status 0/Unconfirmed, when can I expect the transaction to go through?
1593 2011-03-22 18:17:41 <BlueMatt> maurice: due to recent network DOSs probably quite a while
1594 2011-03-22 18:17:44 <BlueMatt> sorry
1595 2011-03-22 18:18:23 <luke-jr> maurice: next time include a tx fee
1596 2011-03-22 18:18:53 <JFK911> who dos'd what
1597 2011-03-22 18:19:00 <quinkin> jgarzik: well I have replaced the conf file with yours (with my user/pass) instead of the debian example one, and I have run it with bitcoind -noirc -datadir=/home/quinkin/.bitcoin/ -server but I still don't appear to have any log file being generated, no open 833* ports in netstat
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1599 2011-03-22 18:19:42 <Zenergy> you can buy drugs with btc -.-
1600 2011-03-22 18:19:48 <Zenergy> Why, we should put this on the wiki!
1601 2011-03-22 18:20:02 <jgarzik> quinkin: not sure what's going
1602 2011-03-22 18:20:04 <JFK911> where???
1603 2011-03-22 18:20:11 <JFK911> Zenergy: link plz
1604 2011-03-22 18:20:16 <jgarzik> quinkin: maybe debian did some weird patching, sending that stuff off into /var/lib/bitcoin or whatnot
1605 2011-03-22 18:20:21 <Zenergy> https://ianxz6zefk72ulzz.tor2web.org/
1606 2011-03-22 18:20:36 <jgarzik> quinkin: you know, filesystem standards crapola :)
1607 2011-03-22 18:20:41 * JFK911 waiting. lol
1608 2011-03-22 18:20:44 <tcatm> how much space would a block without transactions but full merkle tree need?
1609 2011-03-22 18:20:53 <quinkin> jgarzik: me either - it seems to be very busily doing nothing... oh well, thanks for your help
1610 2011-03-22 18:20:54 <maurice> BlueMatt: Thanks.
1611 2011-03-22 18:21:19 <jgarzik> quinkin: did you search the entire filesystem ("find / -mtime -1 -type f"), or just home directory?
1612 2011-03-22 18:21:41 <Zenergy> JFK911, I wouldn't count on it as being legit, in fact I'd be kind of scared about buying drugs using btc online :P
1613 2011-03-22 18:21:50 <quinkin> find / -name debug.log
1614 2011-03-22 18:22:01 * BlueMatt has a proper UPnP patch that includes wxgui bindings and works on everything except windows
1615 2011-03-22 18:22:06 <BlueMatt> woo :)
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1617 2011-03-22 18:25:57 <jgarzik> quinkin: running that find(1) as root?
1618 2011-03-22 18:26:17 <jgarzik> quinkin: sorry to ask the basic questions, I don't know your skill level...
1619 2011-03-22 18:26:20 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: so it uses a shared lib?
1620 2011-03-22 18:26:25 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: nice
1621 2011-03-22 18:26:56 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: yea...no, you could just change like 2 lines of the makefile if you care so much about not staticly linking libminiupnpc
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1623 2011-03-22 18:27:08 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: then it isn't proper
1624 2011-03-22 18:27:19 <BlueMatt> I agree it should be, but until ubuntu has miniupnpc, it should be static
1625 2011-03-22 18:27:27 <BlueMatt> as ubuntu is the main target for linux people
1626 2011-03-22 18:27:29 <luke-jr> bitcoind != Ubuntu
1627 2011-03-22 18:27:38 <luke-jr> Ubuntu users should be using Ubuntu packages
1628 2011-03-22 18:27:39 <luke-jr> not source
1629 2011-03-22 18:28:21 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: If you are using source you should change the makefile to dynamically link it, if you are building for release (until we get official packages) it should be static
1630 2011-03-22 18:28:29 <luke-jr> no
1631 2011-03-22 18:28:31 <luke-jr> it should never be static
1632 2011-03-22 18:28:40 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: though it would probably be a good idea to have official bitcoin repos until we make it upstream stable
1633 2011-03-22 18:28:52 <BlueMatt> ie linked to from homepage instead of tar
1634 2011-03-22 18:29:04 <luke-jr> I suggested that on the webpage thread
1635 2011-03-22 18:29:15 <BlueMatt> who runs bitcoin.org anyway?
1636 2011-03-22 18:29:18 <quinkin> jgarzik: yeah it was as root, I program embedded linux devices for a living so I'm pretty competent
1637 2011-03-22 18:29:33 <JFK911> Zenergy: oh lol it appeared
1638 2011-03-22 18:29:53 <Zenergy> yea it takes a while
1639 2011-03-22 18:30:11 <jgarzik> quinkin: ok, all good :) We get all levels of experience here :)
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1641 2011-03-22 18:30:28 <jgarzik> quinkin: I hack on Linux kernel, on embedded devices (among others)
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1643 2011-03-22 18:31:00 <quinkin> jgarzik: no offense taken - doesnt mean I dont make stupid mistakes sometimes :)
1644 2011-03-22 18:32:31 <jgarzik> quinkin: yeah, bitcoin appears in process list, it is definitely producing reams of debug.log to somewhere (even if /dev/null :)). and even starting, then immediately failing, it should produce some output
1645 2011-03-22 18:32:55 <jgarzik> quinkin: You're running it at console, I guess? it does produce a minor bit of stdout, before going to debug.log.
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1647 2011-03-22 18:33:43 <jgarzik> quinkin: other common errors are using "--" (GNU) for CLI args, rather than "-"
1648 2011-03-22 18:33:59 <eevar> lsof | grep debug
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1650 2011-03-22 18:34:26 <molecular> something weird is happening since about 2 days, maybe someone here has a hint: I see "Problem communicating with bitcoin RPC, data: None" using poclbm via LAN to my bitcoin node. Takes about 3 seconds maybe to recover. What could that be?
1651 2011-03-22 18:34:54 <ArtForz> molecular: tried restarting your node?
1652 2011-03-22 18:34:55 <quinkin> jgarzik: I'm running it in console but no output at all: /proc/pid of bitcoind/fd/1 2 and 3 all show /dev/pts/0
1653 2011-03-22 18:35:29 <molecular> ArtForz, yeah, didn't help
1654 2011-03-22 18:35:37 <ArtForz> hummm, thats weird
1655 2011-03-22 18:36:02 <ArtForz> how often does it happen?
1656 2011-03-22 18:36:07 <quinkin> jgarzik: occasional 255 file descriptor too the bitcoind binary and a 3 that is only showing question marks (sorry I meant 0, 1, 2 in last comment)
1657 2011-03-22 18:36:33 <Zenergy> JFK911, you aren't actually going to buy anything are you -.-
1658 2011-03-22 18:36:36 <[Tycho]> Who is the author of bitcoinmonitor ?
1659 2011-03-22 18:36:37 <JFK911> nah
1660 2011-03-22 18:36:43 <JFK911> i got a guy
1661 2011-03-22 18:36:50 <molecular> ArtForz, can't really tell how often because no '\n' in debug-line... will change that now
1662 2011-03-22 18:36:51 <Zenergy> -_-
1663 2011-03-22 18:36:59 <jgarzik> quinkin: very weird :) the last two things I can think to try are (a) remove trailing slash from datadir path, and (b) build it yourself from git
1664 2011-03-22 18:37:12 <jgarzik> quinkin: or, hey, run it in a debugger and see what happens
1665 2011-03-22 18:37:15 <JFK911> but! im spreading this link around to all my friends
1666 2011-03-22 18:37:21 <JFK911> maybe they will buy bitcoins and drive the price up :D
1667 2011-03-22 18:37:36 <jgarzik> quinkin: never heard symptoms like this, in the ~9 months I've been hacking on bitcoin
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1669 2011-03-22 18:40:12 <quinkin> jgarzik: I'm a special little snowflake - well thanks for the help (I tried redirecting stdout and errout to a file but still no dice). It's dawn here and my missus is crook so I had better give up for now.
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1671 2011-03-22 18:42:08 <molecular> ArtForz, ok, changed the logging of rpc comm problem. will let you know when I collected some data. I take it you have no idea either?
1672 2011-03-22 18:42:24 <ArtForz> well, I have a guess, but then a node restart should help
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1674 2011-03-22 18:43:08 <molecular> ArtForz, ok, just restarted the node, too.
1675 2011-03-22 18:43:47 <molecular> ArtForz, no problems so far, we'll see
1676 2011-03-22 18:43:51 <ArtForz> boatload of cached tx causes getwork buildblock() to take several seconds in some cases, which causes the miner to timeout
1677 2011-03-22 18:45:56 <JFK911> lolll
1678 2011-03-22 18:46:03 <JFK911> Handicap Parking Placard, California, Expires 2013 30.00 BTC deadfoot US US
1679 2011-03-22 18:46:44 <ArtForz> only seen it get that bad on a rather crappy VPS and on a box with a really slow hd and high memory and i/o load from other processes
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1681 2011-03-22 18:47:56 <quinkin> jgarzik: I think I may have just figured it out, it appears the /usr/bin/bitcoind in this debian package is actually a shell script that ends in "exec bitcoind "$@"" which given that it doesn't actually invoke the executable (which I have found in /usr/lib/bitcoin/" it basically just loops through invoking itself over and over. I will have to log a bug report with the debian packager.
1682 2011-03-22 18:48:15 <ArtForz> quinkin: ouch.
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1684 2011-03-22 18:48:51 <ArtForz> I guess the proper way would be to change tx update timeout from 60 to ~5 seconds, set up a testnet node, create a few 100 tx, profile while hitting it with a few getwork/s
1685 2011-03-22 18:49:18 <quinkin> jgarzik: explains the cpu usage I guess.... running the actual executable I have debug.log, blkindex.dat and all of those other good things....
1686 2011-03-22 18:49:27 <ArtForz> my hunch is the bottleneck is in the first loop in buildblock
1687 2011-03-22 18:50:06 <ArtForz> s/buildblock/CreateNewBlock/
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1706 2011-03-22 19:29:51 <tcatm> There are 241267 transactions where all outputs have been spent. That's 59.5 MBytes we could remove from the blockchain.
1707 2011-03-22 19:30:34 <[Tycho]> Will it affect history display in bitcoin client ?
1708 2011-03-22 19:31:11 <tcatm> nope. your transactions are still in your wallet.
1709 2011-03-22 19:31:47 <ArtForz> thats actually a lot more than I expected
1710 2011-03-22 19:32:46 <ArtForz> but then, keeping spent transactions around is "cheap enough"
1711 2011-03-22 19:33:18 <tcatm> 117548 transactions with at least one unspent output
1712 2011-03-22 19:33:58 <soultcer> You can buy 2 TB drives for less than 100 dollars, why bother with 60 MB?
1713 2011-03-22 19:34:04 <ArtForz> yep
1714 2011-03-22 19:34:14 <ArtForz> HDs are like what? $0.50/GB? a tx is ~350 bytes average
1715 2011-03-22 19:34:27 <molecular> Artforz: "boatload of cached tx causes getwork buildblock() to take several seconds in some cases"
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1717 2011-03-22 19:34:53 * [Tycho] just hates when people don't think about optimisations because they can "buy a drive" of "buy a new cpu"
1718 2011-03-22 19:34:59 <molecular> ArtForz, hmmm, but there was no spamming in the last 2 hours...
1719 2011-03-22 19:35:05 <ArtForz> yeah... exactly
1720 2011-03-22 19:35:11 <glassresistor> of those of us on here using mtgox, how does it take for a btc deposity to show up
1721 2011-03-22 19:35:16 <glassresistor> its been like 1/2 an hour
1722 2011-03-22 19:35:32 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
1723 2011-03-22 19:35:33 <molecular> ArtForz, but how could a bitcoin-restart fix that?
1724 2011-03-22 19:35:33 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.7999,"low":0.7405,"vol":9902,"buy":0.79,"sell":0.7997,"last":0.7988}}
1725 2011-03-22 19:35:45 <ArtForz> molecular: restart clears tx cache
1726 2011-03-22 19:36:08 <glassresistor> molecular: it is annoying, but so are micro-optimizations that significantly slow down dev
1727 2011-03-22 19:36:12 <ArtForz> yep
1728 2011-03-22 19:36:13 <molecular> ArtForz, oh, but wouldn't it receive them again from the net (also in high bursts or sth)?
1729 2011-03-22 19:36:19 <soultcer> Tycho: It's not necessarily an optimisation, it actually means losing transaction history. If you only care about having secure online transactions, you don't need that, but it might be useful to others.
1730 2011-03-22 19:36:35 <ArtForz> err... no, only if the originator resends them and enough nodes have forgotten them already
1731 2011-03-22 19:36:36 <tcatm> molecular: I can send them to you if you like ;)
1732 2011-03-22 19:36:47 <ArtForz> tcatm: lol
1733 2011-03-22 19:36:53 <soultcer> Tycho: And if you compare developement time for such features, it is often cheaper to throw hardware at it
1734 2011-03-22 19:36:58 <ArtForz> actually... hmmm...
1735 2011-03-22 19:37:05 <ArtForz> that actually *might* be useful
1736 2011-03-22 19:37:13 <molecular> ArtForz, ok. I'm assuming that is the problem here, since it's been ocurring since roughly 2 days
1737 2011-03-22 19:37:16 <soultcer> Contrary to popular belief, developing software isn't cheap.
1738 2011-03-22 19:37:40 <[Tycho]> soultcer, yes, but this is the evil way. And i don't like evil things :)
1739 2011-03-22 19:37:49 <ArtForz> a half-a-node that caches all tx it sees and throws em at whoever connects to it
1740 2011-03-22 19:37:50 <tcatm> I added a feature to my python client that takes all unconfirmed tx from the sql database, serializes them and sends inv messages, then responds to getdata.
1741 2011-03-22 19:37:50 <molecular> but also my internet-connection got fixed (alice sent replacement modem) to my bitcoin doesnt restart all the time any more
1742 2011-03-22 19:37:51 <BlueMatt> soultcer: but would you disagree if tcatm spent his time writing it?
1743 2011-03-22 19:37:59 <ArtForz> tcatm: yep, exactly that
1744 2011-03-22 19:38:16 <[Tycho]> tcatm, are you the owner of "bitcoinmonitor" ?
1745 2011-03-22 19:38:22 <tcatm> [Tycho]: no
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1747 2011-03-22 19:38:28 <ArtForz> I think I actually have python code that does exactly that using flat files as a block/tx DB
1748 2011-03-22 19:38:59 <glassresistor> soultcer: as long as you arnt doing something that is compuatationally hard or scales up faster than a cloud can handle
1749 2011-03-22 19:39:03 <tcatm> I should figure out how to use asyncore.
1750 2011-03-22 19:39:21 <soultcer> BlueMatt: In this case yes, because I would like to keep transaction history. But generally, I am in favor of weighting options: If developement is cheaper, go with that. If throwing hardware is cheaper: go with hardware.
1751 2011-03-22 19:39:21 <glassresistor> im asking though because i just sent 300btc to mtgox and it hasn't shown up
1752 2011-03-22 19:39:25 <ArtForz> asyncore is pretty awesome
1753 2011-03-22 19:39:52 <ArtForz> glassresistor: takes 5-6 confirmations before it shows up in mtgox balance
1754 2011-03-22 19:40:24 <soultcer> glassresistor: That is my point: Don't go the "always throw more expensive hardware at it" route, but also don't just blindly say "let's tweak this until we can't even improve it by another millisecond"
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1758 2011-03-22 19:40:59 <ArtForz> yeah... and so far it doesnt look like block chain growth is a problem
1759 2011-03-22 19:41:51 <glassresistor> ArtForz: thanks, how many blocks have we made in the last hour? seems like we should have hit 5-6
1760 2011-03-22 19:41:59 <glassresistor> ;;bc,mtgox
1761 2011-03-22 19:42:00 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.7999,"low":0.7405,"vol":10074,"buy":0.79,"sell":0.7997,"last":0.7988}}
1762 2011-03-22 19:42:06 <glassresistor> ;;bc
1763 2011-03-22 19:42:06 <gribble> Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
1764 2011-03-22 19:42:09 <glassresistor> ;;bc,help
1765 2011-03-22 19:42:09 <gribble> Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,gen, Alias bc,gend, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,labs, Alias bc,lbs, Alias bc,markets, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,poolstats, Alias bc,prob, Alias bc,stats, Alias bc,timetonext, Alias bc,totalbc, and Alias bc,wiki
1766 2011-03-22 19:42:11 <ArtForz> well.. you should know how many confirmations your tx has, no?
1767 2011-03-22 19:42:21 <glassresistor> ;;bc,blocks
1768 2011-03-22 19:42:21 <gribble> 114569
1769 2011-03-22 19:42:32 <glassresistor> ArtForz: don't know where it was when i stoped
1770 2011-03-22 19:42:49 <ArtForz> huh?
1771 2011-03-22 19:43:46 <ArtForz> well, one 300btc tx went in 2 blocks ago...
1772 2011-03-22 19:44:38 <ArtForz> http://blockexplorer.com/t/744Nbeh2ZX
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1774 2011-03-22 19:45:06 <glassresistor> ArtForz: thanks that would be mine
1775 2011-03-22 19:45:32 <ArtForz> so, wait 4 more blocks and it should show up
1776 2011-03-22 19:46:17 <glassresistor> cool, i just realized that my "wallet" machine was like 200blocks behind, so the wait was it waiting to get the new blocks before it sent
1777 2011-03-22 19:46:52 <glassresistor> does anyone know the reasons for the recent drop from 1$/btc to .8$/btc? its been rising today
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1779 2011-03-22 19:47:07 <ArtForz> nope
1780 2011-03-22 19:47:10 <glassresistor> someone dumb a bunch cheaply and publically
1781 2011-03-22 19:47:21 <glassresistor> i watched it happen really quickly
1782 2011-03-22 19:47:23 <ArtForz> *innocent look*
1783 2011-03-22 19:47:52 <tcatm> What does a node do when it receives an unsolicited tx (i.e. without inv)?
1784 2011-03-22 19:47:55 * glassresistor shakes fist as people shorting my stock
1785 2011-03-22 19:48:11 <glassresistor> tcatm: presumably accepts it
1786 2011-03-22 19:48:25 <ArtForz> tcatm: iirc, it happily accepts it
1787 2011-03-22 19:48:38 <ArtForz> same thing works with blocks
1788 2011-03-22 19:49:21 <glassresistor> ArtForz: it checks the block though, well atleast since the 1billions btc fiasco
1789 2011-03-22 19:49:26 <ArtForz> yea
1790 2011-03-22 19:49:51 <glassresistor> i believe it always checked but had a buffer overflow issue?
1791 2011-03-22 19:50:01 <ArtForz> integer overflow
1792 2011-03-22 19:50:12 <ArtForz> but it's a useful trick to speed up block DL on a LAN node
1793 2011-03-22 19:50:20 <glassresistor> ah
1794 2011-03-22 19:50:36 <glassresistor> to turn off checking? if your behind a host that does?
1795 2011-03-22 19:50:49 <ArtForz> no
1796 2011-03-22 19:50:59 <ArtForz> sending blocks unsolicited
1797 2011-03-22 19:50:59 <tcatm> I could add a feature that allows users to forward unconfirmed tx from bitcoincharts to any IP after solving a captcha.
1798 2011-03-22 19:51:08 <ArtForz> instead of responding to the getblocks with a inv and waiting for the getdatas, blast back inv + 500 blocks
1799 2011-03-22 19:52:16 <ArtForz> well, or simply throw the whole chain at it at once and see how long it grinds away ;)
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1801 2011-03-22 19:54:29 <tcatm> Then again, if the tx made it to my nodes miners know about it anyway so it's useless.
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1804 2011-03-22 19:57:30 <tcatm> does the fee affect priority?
1805 2011-03-22 19:58:16 <ArtForz> dunno it it does, but it should
1806 2011-03-22 19:58:26 <ArtForz> well, actually it doesnt have to
1807 2011-03-22 19:58:48 <ArtForz> priority is only used to figure out which free tx go into the 4kB free area
1808 2011-03-22 19:59:03 <ArtForz> paying tx can get in after that easily enough
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1810 2011-03-22 20:03:49 <dishwara> ArtForz : have u tried 6990?
1811 2011-03-22 20:03:53 <ArtForz> nope
1812 2011-03-22 20:04:28 <dishwara> it may better than 5970 in mining, at least thoretically?
1813 2011-03-22 20:04:36 <ArtForz> yes
1814 2011-03-22 20:04:46 <ArtForz> well, for absolute Mh/s
1815 2011-03-22 20:04:47 <slush> ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool() : ConnectInputs failed 6a20011497
1816 2011-03-22 20:04:47 <slush> ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 0760728867 mapTransactions prev not found 6a20011497
1817 2011-03-22 20:04:50 <slush> is that normal?
1818 2011-03-22 20:04:56 <dishwara> how u say?
1819 2011-03-22 20:04:59 <ArtForz> for power and cost efficiency it sucks
1820 2011-03-22 20:05:08 <ArtForz> slush: yes
1821 2011-03-22 20:05:27 <ArtForz> that just means you saw a tx where you didnt see a tx it refers to as input
1822 2011-03-22 20:06:01 * slush should learn about chaining transactions
1823 2011-03-22 20:06:06 <Validus> until someone gets one and oc's it were not going to know
1824 2011-03-22 20:06:12 <dishwara> ArtForz: 5970 has 3200 sp & 725 mhz , so can OC, while 6990 has only 3120 & 830 mhz, so even OC
1825 2011-03-22 20:06:36 <ArtForz> well, 69xx OCs better thanks to higher core V
1826 2011-03-22 20:07:11 <dishwara> 5970 max mhz how much u got with stable
1827 2011-03-22 20:07:29 <ArtForz> at stock V? depends a lot on luck
1828 2011-03-22 20:07:33 <ArtForz> anywhere from 800-900
1829 2011-03-22 20:07:38 <dishwara> i thought i can OC it to 900mhz on stock
1830 2011-03-22 20:07:44 <ArtForz> nope
1831 2011-03-22 20:07:50 <ArtForz> well, 2 of my cards can do it
1832 2011-03-22 20:07:56 <slush> dishwara: my best 5970 can be OCed to 860
1833 2011-03-22 20:08:02 <slush> dishwara: but I don't run it so high
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1835 2011-03-22 20:08:20 <dishwara> hmm
1836 2011-03-22 20:08:22 <Validus> well hopefully in a few weeks can do 6990 tests
1837 2011-03-22 20:09:01 <ArtForz> I test at 80°C core and with a small ocl tool that just runs a slightly modified bitcoinhash kernel a few million times and compares results in a loop
1838 2011-03-22 20:09:22 <sgornick> Question ... with this thousand+ backlog of transactions queued, including transactions from MyBitcoin, for example, would it be safe to say then that Bitcoin currently is "broken" as the result of the trx spamming?
1839 2011-03-22 20:09:36 <ArtForz> erm... depends
1840 2011-03-22 20:09:52 <ArtForz> as long as mybitcoin has enough old tx to use as inputs, it's fine
1841 2011-03-22 20:10:34 <ArtForz> most of the tx spam is huge chains of unconfirmed tx that all get a priority score of 0
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1844 2011-03-22 20:10:56 <ArtForz> which now trickle into blocks one tx at a time
1845 2011-03-22 20:11:12 <sgornick> So here's a mybitcoin trx of mine: (from http://BitcoinCharts.com/bitcoin
1846 2011-03-22 20:11:13 <sgornick> 2011-03-21 20:38:11 de3c72316c2bc1f1f380dd3d9ed425778986125edf681b9d9a67adc6af5c879ainput: 0.11000000 BTC0.11000000 BTC from f71170760b344a8f813bbb1d42068761317b1ab73cf6343cc48033c6f98f72cc:0 (1MCwBbhNGp5hRm5rC1Aims2YFRe2SXPYKt)output: 0.11000000 BTC0.11000000 BTC to 1FHnfC39pgeKAjZZggJziuEAjwR5wFak2Ksize: 224 bytes
1847 2011-03-22 20:12:07 <slush> sgornick: currently my pool does not accept free tx at all, which is ~1/3 of hashpower. But I'm testing patch which allow free tx processing on pool again, so hope it will bet better soon
1848 2011-03-22 20:12:08 <ArtForz> that should get in pretty soon
1849 2011-03-22 20:12:30 <sgornick> ok. thanks
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1851 2011-03-22 20:12:50 <ArtForz> it's input is a ~130 blocks old 0.11 tx
1852 2011-03-22 20:12:58 <ArtForz> err, ~150
1853 2011-03-22 20:13:31 <glassresistor> for those of us in the US, any thoughts on this article: http://charlotte.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel11/ce031811.htm
1854 2011-03-22 20:13:33 <ArtForz> that counts as much as a 1 block old 16.5btc input
1855 2011-03-22 20:13:39 <[Tycho]> When i try to open 8333 and start bitcoin, a hundred of incoming connection appears. Is this normal or someone tries to attack the network ?
1856 2011-03-22 20:14:04 <ArtForz> thats not much, but it should be ahead of most of the spam
1857 2011-03-22 20:14:09 <glassresistor> obiously the people making Liberty $ arnt the sharpest tools, this court case i think has implications for btc, although its not physical
1858 2011-03-22 20:14:17 <ArtForz> [Tycho]: quickly? thats... very unusual
1859 2011-03-22 20:14:32 <[Tycho]> ArtForz, try it.
1860 2011-03-22 20:14:55 <glassresistor> [Tycho]: i usually get 1 or 2 connections after 10sec then up to 20 after 12-24hrs
1861 2011-03-22 20:14:58 <slush> [Tycho]: I'm watching debug.log right now
1862 2011-03-22 20:15:02 <slush> don't see anything unusual
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1864 2011-03-22 20:15:25 <ArtForz> running open node here, 8 outgoing + 20 incoming
1865 2011-03-22 20:15:29 <ArtForz> nothing unusual
1866 2011-03-22 20:15:57 <[Tycho]> ArtForz, do you have any usual client that you can try to restart ? With open port.
1867 2011-03-22 20:15:59 <lfm> I got 60 connects on my open node but its been up for days
1868 2011-03-22 20:16:19 <[Tycho]> May be they react to joining.
1869 2011-03-22 20:16:24 <glassresistor> how do transaction fees work? i've gotten a couple of .01 deposits on my active boxes
1870 2011-03-22 20:16:31 <glassresistor> curious as to why
1871 2011-03-22 20:16:50 <ArtForz> hmmm... nothing
1872 2011-03-22 20:16:53 <Zenergy> someone that was connected to you ran a transaction through your box?
1873 2011-03-22 20:17:01 <ArtForz> guess someone is trying to DoS you
1874 2011-03-22 20:17:09 <lfm> glassresistor: you collect fees when you collect a 50 btc block
1875 2011-03-22 20:17:25 <glassresistor> lfm: collect a block?
1876 2011-03-22 20:17:33 <lfm> win a block
1877 2011-03-22 20:18:04 <[Tycho]> ArtForz, it's my home client, not the pool. Why someone would ?
1878 2011-03-22 20:18:09 <lfm> glassresistor: so you get like 50.01 instead of just 50.00
1879 2011-03-22 20:18:10 <glassresistor> ah, so if a transaction occurs and you've generated a block, you get the transaction fees? typically i haven't gotten anything but the standard 50
1880 2011-03-22 20:18:11 <ArtForz> no clue
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1882 2011-03-22 20:18:35 <glassresistor> and i assumed most blocks have transactions
1883 2011-03-22 20:19:00 <ArtForz> well, most transactions dont include fees
1884 2011-03-22 20:19:26 <ArtForz> except for the wallet ones
1885 2011-03-22 20:19:29 <ArtForz> err
1886 2011-03-22 20:19:30 <ArtForz> faucet
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1888 2011-03-22 20:19:31 <glassresistor> ArtForz: thanks what im getting at whats the diff, why do some transaction incur fees and others dont
1889 2011-03-22 20:19:36 <ArtForz> those have a 0.01 fee attached
1890 2011-03-22 20:19:50 <ArtForz> they dont incur fees, they include them
1891 2011-03-22 20:20:04 <ArtForz> you can attach as much fee as you want to a tx you send
1892 2011-03-22 20:20:06 <lfm> glassresistor: fees are mostly voluntary donations by the people sending transactions
1893 2011-03-22 20:20:11 <ArtForz> yep
1894 2011-03-22 20:20:36 <glassresistor> ? why
1895 2011-03-22 20:20:44 <ArtForz> miners are pretty much free to include any tx they like into their blocks
1896 2011-03-22 20:20:50 <JFK911> so how many ohms does a glass resistor have
1897 2011-03-22 20:21:01 <tcatm> where's the "don't include a whole chain of unconfirmed tx into one block" rule in the code?
1898 2011-03-22 20:21:10 <ArtForz> tcatm: it's not really explicit
1899 2011-03-22 20:21:14 <glassresistor> JFK911: well they differ but typically allot
1900 2011-03-22 20:21:22 <JFK911> glassresistor: giga or tera ohms?
1901 2011-03-22 20:22:16 <lfm> glassresistor: any number of reasons, transactions with fees have a slight increased priority if there is a lot of free transactions cloging the net. or 2 some people just feel generous
1902 2011-03-22 20:22:37 <glassresistor> JFK911: ~100MOhms
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1905 2011-03-22 20:23:39 <glassresistor> up to 10GOhms if i remember correctly, they arnt used very often and typically are for large components like transformers
1906 2011-03-22 20:24:54 <glassresistor> lfm: thanks i was just curious this whole time i thought it was based on number of transactions on the net, so if its totally full, the client adds some btc to get on this block
1907 2011-03-22 20:25:27 <ArtForz> tcatm: it's mostly caused by how the priority calc works... I think
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1909 2011-03-22 20:26:09 <lfm> glassresistor: naw, it doesnt do any fee unless you ask it to
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1911 2011-03-22 20:28:42 <glassresistor> cool, its good to be in room with smart folks
1912 2011-03-22 20:28:45 <tcatm> ArtForz: mhm. I want to add a "this tx will be confirmed in X blocks" to the list.
1913 2011-03-22 20:28:57 <ArtForz> tcatm: it's really not a hard rule
1914 2011-03-22 20:29:18 <ArtForz> thign is, any tx that depends has only a unconfirmed tx as inoput has a dprio of 0
1915 2011-03-22 20:29:29 <ArtForz> so they can only get into the first 4kB
1916 2011-03-22 20:29:36 <lfm> flattery always makes me suspicious, someone wants something
1917 2011-03-22 20:29:53 <ArtForz> and if the first kB are taken up by higher-scoring tx... well... tough luck
1918 2011-03-22 20:30:34 <tcatm> I see. So it's highly dependent on which transactions each miner knows about.
1919 2011-03-22 20:30:39 <ArtForz> yep
1920 2011-03-22 20:30:56 <ArtForz> so they only tend to get in at 1/block, because then the prev-0 dprio one will have a dprio of ... slightly more than 0
1921 2011-03-22 20:31:20 <dishwara> ok, guys, i see u again some other day
1922 2011-03-22 20:31:21 <dishwara> bye
1923 2011-03-22 20:31:27 <xelister> do you want whisle blowing and hot news? ( )yes / ( )no
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1925 2011-03-22 20:32:18 <xelister> well?
1926 2011-03-22 20:32:25 <glassresistor> anyone checkout the Liberty $ article, what a bunch of quacks and the fed. reserve is hillarious
1927 2011-03-22 20:32:29 <ArtForz> run with -printpriority=1 to dump the results of the priority calc ;)
1928 2011-03-22 20:32:56 <ArtForz> oh, and -debug
1929 2011-03-22 20:33:02 <xelister> DING DING DING US attack on freedom of speach allert
1930 2011-03-22 20:33:19 <xelister> I heared rummors that some US ISPs, related to Android, are blocking Tor and/or freenet
1931 2011-03-22 20:33:28 <xelister> it may turn out not true though
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1934 2011-03-22 20:34:10 <ArtForz> I wouldnt put that beyond wireless carriers
1935 2011-03-22 20:36:21 <xelister> also torrents dont work
1936 2011-03-22 20:36:22 <xelister> and i2p
1937 2011-03-22 20:36:29 <xelister> really? wow US carries really suck then
1938 2011-03-22 20:37:02 * xelister uses freenet on his G3 like a boss. Jellous of my inet, US? ;)
1939 2011-03-22 20:37:16 <ArtForz> read the fine print "we reserve the right to do anything we like and you can't do shit, muahaha"
1940 2011-03-22 20:37:41 * phantomcircuit runs a vpn over 3g
1941 2011-03-22 20:37:45 <jgarzik> the more practical reasons is extremely limited bandwidth to mobile, until 4G is widely deployed
1942 2011-03-22 20:38:04 <xelister> USA IS THE LAND OF FREE
1943 2011-03-22 20:38:13 <xelister> (*) not including places and times where it is not
1944 2011-03-22 20:38:15 <wormwood> HOME OF THE SLAVE
1945 2011-03-22 20:38:18 <ArtForz> actually, at the rates they're charging, that bandwidth better be gold-plated and come with hookers and blow
1946 2011-03-22 20:38:20 <phantomcircuit> what's that ATT? you cant tell what im doing because it's a VPN to sweden?
1947 2011-03-22 20:38:25 <xelister> (**) may contain peanuts
1948 2011-03-22 20:38:35 <luke-jr> jgarzik: 3G was never widely deployed, why would we expect 4G to ever be? :p
1949 2011-03-22 20:38:49 <phantomcircuit> uh
1950 2011-03-22 20:38:52 <Validus> we got 4g hehe
1951 2011-03-22 20:38:59 <jgarzik> Raleigh has 4G
1952 2011-03-22 20:39:06 <phantomcircuit> HSDPA is pretty widely deployed here
1953 2011-03-22 20:39:22 <luke-jr> jgarzik: this look complete? http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/
1954 2011-03-22 20:39:23 <jgarzik> but for <= 3G, I am quite glad torrents are blocked
1955 2011-03-22 20:39:24 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: ooohh, thinking about going to NC State (probably wont though)
1956 2011-03-22 20:39:26 <Validus> still wish they get faster inets
1957 2011-03-22 20:39:35 <phantomcircuit> shit driving from san francisco to a remote ski area i only lost HSDPA for like the last 30 minutes
1958 2011-03-22 20:39:38 <Validus> wolfpack blue?
1959 2011-03-22 20:41:52 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: how hard is it to get an internship @ red hat for an nc state student?
1960 2011-03-22 20:42:08 <jgarzik> <shrug>
1961 2011-03-22 20:43:28 <Validus> start lookin for jobs now and tell them your in school and see if they'll do an internship or look at ya right after you finish
1962 2011-03-22 20:43:53 <BlueMatt> well Im gonna wait for my response from Berkeley this thursday first ;)
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1964 2011-03-22 20:46:14 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, the CSEE building at berkeley smells like feet
1965 2011-03-22 20:46:17 <phantomcircuit> :|
1966 2011-03-22 20:47:12 <luke-jr> â¦
1967 2011-03-22 20:47:30 <phantomcircuit> seriously
1968 2011-03-22 20:47:31 <phantomcircuit> it does
1969 2011-03-22 20:48:02 <BlueMatt> thank you for that info, but Ive gotten used to worse so...
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1972 2011-03-22 20:51:38 <phantomcircuit> lol
1973 2011-03-22 20:52:12 <BlueMatt> you should have seen some of the buildings at my old hs
1974 2011-03-22 20:54:45 <Zenergy> phantomcircuit, lol why
1975 2011-03-22 20:54:50 <molecular> I remember someone saying something about an O(n**2) hiding somewhere in bitcoin... maybe it's in the TX "packaging" code causing the "couple-second-delay" on getwork? (ArtForz?)
1976 2011-03-22 20:55:16 <molecular> if that was the case, the tx-spamming attack would work much better, right?
1977 2011-03-22 20:55:56 <phantomcircuit> Zenergy, dirty pseudo hippies
1978 2011-03-22 20:56:03 <phantomcircuit> also smelly chinese food
1979 2011-03-22 20:56:12 <Zenergy> :/
1980 2011-03-22 20:56:18 <Zenergy> Well I know where I'm not going
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1986 2011-03-22 21:10:43 <ArtForz> molecular: no, it used to be N**2, now it's N
1987 2011-03-22 21:11:00 <ArtForz> I *think* the current problem is the constant attached to that
1988 2011-03-22 21:11:21 <molecular> ok
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1990 2011-03-22 21:12:31 <ArtForz> I suspect it's I/O bound, but I still havent run any tests
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1995 2011-03-22 21:24:03 <xelister> slush: finally got 1st confirmation.. LOL it was like 15 hours late...
1996 2011-03-22 21:24:25 * xelister got a TX that was 15 hours (150 blocks) late! WTF.
1997 2011-03-22 21:24:44 <luke-jr> xelister: the tx pool is still over 2000
1998 2011-03-22 21:24:55 <luke-jr> it's time to start paying small tx fees
1999 2011-03-22 21:25:06 <xelister> luke-jr: or stop spamming tx please =)
2000 2011-03-22 21:25:12 <luke-jr> xelister: not I
2001 2011-03-22 21:25:17 <xelister> also, afair slush is paying tx?
2002 2011-03-22 21:25:25 <luke-jr> faucet is at least
2003 2011-03-22 21:25:40 <slush> xelister: yes
2004 2011-03-22 21:25:41 <xelister> 0.01 fees, right?
2005 2011-03-22 21:25:42 <BlueMatt> well when slush starts using sendmany it should help some
2006 2011-03-22 21:25:45 <luke-jr> dunno
2007 2011-03-22 21:26:02 <slush> the majority of pending txes are spam
2008 2011-03-22 21:26:05 <luke-jr> btw check out http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/
2009 2011-03-22 21:26:14 <JFK911> what are spam transactions
2010 2011-03-22 21:26:29 <luke-jr> JFK911: when a jerk takes 50 BTC and sends 5000 transactions of 0.01 to himself
2011 2011-03-22 21:26:29 <xelister> you could just drop < 0.02 btc txes to get rid of spam?
2012 2011-03-22 21:26:35 <JFK911> oh
2013 2011-03-22 21:26:39 <JFK911> why would anyone do that
2014 2011-03-22 21:26:44 <slush> for fun
2015 2011-03-22 21:26:45 <JFK911> that cant possibly launder the btc
2016 2011-03-22 21:26:53 <JFK911> that doesn't sound like fun
2017 2011-03-22 21:26:58 <phantomcircuit> well
2018 2011-03-22 21:26:58 <slush> well, I think bitcoin need some anti spam technique
2019 2011-03-22 21:26:59 <luke-jr> JFK911: the same reason they DDoS freenode
2020 2011-03-22 21:27:02 <slush> not sure what exactly :)
2021 2011-03-22 21:27:08 <JFK911> fun is 0.00000002 increments, isn't that supported?
2022 2011-03-22 21:27:21 <tcatm> JFK911: you'd have to pay fees ;)
2023 2011-03-22 21:27:22 <luke-jr> JFK911: nobody allows those without fees at all
2024 2011-03-22 21:27:23 <phantomcircuit> so i just had a thought
2025 2011-03-22 21:27:30 <phantomcircuit> 6 confirmations would take like
2026 2011-03-22 21:27:32 <luke-jr> slush: gavin wrote one
2027 2011-03-22 21:27:35 <luke-jr> for next version
2028 2011-03-22 21:27:36 <phantomcircuit> about an hour
2029 2011-03-22 21:27:40 <phantomcircuit> that seems like along time
2030 2011-03-22 21:27:49 <ArtForz> yep, next version has limitfreerelay
2031 2011-03-22 21:28:10 <BlueMatt> what is the timeline for next version (what will be included?)
2032 2011-03-22 21:28:24 <xelister> we need to start sex2btc and convince them to use that for fun instead
2033 2011-03-22 21:28:31 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: at least some sub-cent support, including my bugfix
2034 2011-03-22 21:28:46 <ArtForz> "when gavin feels like it" and "whats in master currently, plus whatever will get added"
2035 2011-03-22 21:28:56 <luke-jr> hah
2036 2011-03-22 21:29:03 <BlueMatt> ArtForz: so...no feste timeline
2037 2011-03-22 21:29:10 <ArtForz> yup
2038 2011-03-22 21:29:13 <BlueMatt> we really aught to start making those
2039 2011-03-22 21:29:19 <ArtForz> kinda like most foss release schedules
2040 2011-03-22 21:29:25 <tcatm> BlueMatt: can you try to build recent git for windows (both bitcoin and bitcoind)?
2041 2011-03-22 21:29:32 <BlueMatt> ArtForz: yea, lets be better than the rest :)
2042 2011-03-22 21:29:39 <slush> limitfreerelay just set hard limit, but does not divide spam and non spam tx better
2043 2011-03-22 21:29:47 <ArtForz> I think it does
2044 2011-03-22 21:29:49 <slush> I mean - better than nothing, but not ideal :)
2045 2011-03-22 21:30:05 <BlueMatt> tcatm: you mean after the new daemon-mode commit?
2046 2011-03-22 21:30:10 <tcatm> BlueMatt: yep
2047 2011-03-22 21:30:14 <ArtForz> no wait, it doesnt
2048 2011-03-22 21:30:51 <ArtForz> mixed it up with my local patch which calculates dPriority and drops low-prio tx first
2049 2011-03-22 21:31:10 <xelister> "Several reports have emerged that China is cutting off phone calls mid sentence when contentious words like "protest" are used.
2050 2011-03-22 21:31:11 <xelister> lolz
2051 2011-03-22 21:31:31 <xelister> Hey Chao-Gong did you installed that application called Freene*CLICK*
2052 2011-03-22 21:31:35 <BlueMatt> god it just keeps getting worse
2053 2011-03-22 21:31:49 <JFK911> oh lets not be racist
2054 2011-03-22 21:31:58 <xelister> JFK911: racist? nigger please
2055 2011-03-22 21:32:07 <xelister> BlueMatt: want to do somehing about it? install freenet + i2p it takes 2 x 5 minutes
2056 2011-03-22 21:32:08 <JFK911> lets prank call china and say the banned words
2057 2011-03-22 21:32:10 <tcatm> Is there an android application that can encrypt phone calls?
2058 2011-03-22 21:32:12 <JFK911> get people red flagged
2059 2011-03-22 21:32:28 * xelister calls ati software driver Chinese offices
2060 2011-03-22 21:32:42 <JFK911> is that where they make drivers?
2061 2011-03-22 21:33:03 <xelister> JFK911: they rellocated to hong-kong, because their driver sucks a big...
2062 2011-03-22 21:33:39 <JFK911> works fine for me
2063 2011-03-22 21:34:29 <luke-jr> tcatm: why sleep(5000) instead of pause()?
2064 2011-03-22 21:35:16 <tcatm> luke-jr: I just re-used old code. Does pause() work on windows?
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2066 2011-03-22 21:35:37 <JFK911> in windows you need to set a timer callback
2067 2011-03-22 21:35:47 <JFK911> and continue on in another thread
2068 2011-03-22 21:35:50 <JFK911> its crazy
2069 2011-03-22 21:36:12 <BlueMatt> tcatm: errors: pthread_exit, fork, setsid not declared in init.cpp
2070 2011-03-22 21:36:26 <tcatm> BlueMatt: thx
2071 2011-03-22 21:36:39 <luke-jr> tcatm: not sure
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2098 2011-03-22 22:10:19 <jostmey> Hello, I would like to introduce a website plugin I've written that creates a "bitcoin feed" pulled from multiple sources. The purpose of the script is to show people new to bitcoins that the currency is supported by a vibrant community.
2099 2011-03-22 22:10:20 <jostmey> Give me feedback http://api.bitcoinbulletin.com Thanks!
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2101 2011-03-22 22:13:06 <JFK911> wow http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MC13260&tid=vanSoCRadio
2102 2011-03-22 22:15:34 <tcatm> BlueMatt: can you try http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=E6E6bMgy on windows?
2103 2011-03-22 22:15:47 <xelister> JFK911: it sucks a bit in a way,
2104 2011-03-22 22:16:01 <xelister> soon even stupid alarm clocks will be able to hang, crash, or be hacked...
2105 2011-03-22 22:16:11 <xelister> all is overcompliated as fuck
2106 2011-03-22 22:16:20 <EvanR-work> as long as its not 'trusted computing' alarm clock
2107 2011-03-22 22:16:43 <BlueMatt> tcatm: does that just disable -daemon on win32?
2108 2011-03-22 22:17:20 <EvanR-work> xelister: its been that way for a while, its just that now software has become overcompilicated at the same time as being mostly engineered by underage weed smoking web gurus
2109 2011-03-22 22:17:35 <tcatm> BlueMatt: yep and it re-arranges some code
2110 2011-03-22 22:17:47 <molecular> ArtForz, the rpc problem just happened again (about 3.5 hours after bitcoin restart), lastet for 19 seconds.
2111 2011-03-22 22:17:48 <BlueMatt> tcatm: is that really a good idea?
2112 2011-03-22 22:18:02 <ArtForz> molecular: okay, then it's someting lese
2113 2011-03-22 22:18:06 <molecular> ok
2114 2011-03-22 22:18:28 <molecular> there was no trouble on the lan (ping 0.2msecs) at the time
2115 2011-03-22 22:18:29 <tcatm> I don't know if -daemon was ever working on windows before.
2116 2011-03-22 22:18:33 <JFK911> xelister: hacking is fun
2117 2011-03-22 22:18:55 <BlueMatt> tcatm: well how did it ever compile? or was it disabled?
2118 2011-03-22 22:19:17 <tcatm> BlueMatt: it was in main() before. Maybe main wasn't compiled on windows
2119 2011-03-22 22:19:28 <xelister> EvanR-work: but now also hardware is overengeenered to the fucking maximum
2120 2011-03-22 22:19:31 <tcatm> init.cpp is confusing
2121 2011-03-22 22:19:33 <Aciid> oh jesus rackspace verifies by phone
2122 2011-03-22 22:19:37 <xelister> previously I had a phone that was making phone calls
2123 2011-03-22 22:19:37 <Aciid> I'm not a people person
2124 2011-03-22 22:19:46 <molecular> ArtForz, ups, actually this one was another case: script restarted bitcoin.
2125 2011-03-22 22:19:55 <molecular> ArtForz, so false alarm
2126 2011-03-22 22:20:02 <BlueMatt> tcatm: that doesnt make sense, it compiles fine on bitcoin but bitcoind.exe doesnt? Has bitcoind.exe ever been shipped for win32?
2127 2011-03-22 22:20:15 <molecular> still waiting for the "other" rpc problem to occur
2128 2011-03-22 22:20:16 <xelister> now I have a phone that is a video camera, photo camera, web browser, java applets center, usb, mmc and all... except it hangs a lot and therefore sucks more at.. MAKING DAMN PHONE CALLS
2129 2011-03-22 22:20:26 <xelister> it is the same with MOST cellphones (like 8 testeD)
2130 2011-03-22 22:20:27 <Aciid> xelister: java
2131 2011-03-22 22:20:29 <xelister> tested
2132 2011-03-22 22:20:35 <Aciid> xelister: buy a nokia
2133 2011-03-22 22:20:39 <xelister> s/applets/app
2134 2011-03-22 22:20:39 <molecular> xelister, that's why I have 2 phones ;)
2135 2011-03-22 22:20:42 <Aciid> dont install 3rd prty shit
2136 2011-03-22 22:20:48 <xelister> Aciid: I want a phone that MAKES FUCKING PHONE CALLS
2137 2011-03-22 22:20:55 <xelister> dont need 3d car racer in my phone..
2138 2011-03-22 22:21:12 <molecular> get a nokia classic or something, works great, boots in seconds
2139 2011-03-22 22:21:15 <xelister> or, at least they should make sure the BASIC stuff is BULLET-PROOF, unhackable, rock stable, etc
2140 2011-03-22 22:21:19 <molecular> 10 day battery life
2141 2011-03-22 22:21:22 <JFK911> xelister: i have phones like that
2142 2011-03-22 22:21:28 <JFK911> basic phone
2143 2011-03-22 22:21:28 <xelister> also fucking touch screens
2144 2011-03-22 22:21:31 <JFK911> bullet proof
2145 2011-03-22 22:21:35 <BlueMatt> tcatm: dam, patch not applying right...think its a line-endings problem
2146 2011-03-22 22:21:41 <JFK911> they gotta sell phones like that today still
2147 2011-03-22 22:21:44 <xelister> well at least I bought a normal keyboard phone, and I use it like a white boss
2148 2011-03-22 22:21:47 <molecular> JFK911, they do
2149 2011-03-22 22:21:48 <xelister> <_<
2150 2011-03-22 22:22:05 <Aciid> xelister: I can send you an old nokia that truly does it job
2151 2011-03-22 22:22:16 <Aciid> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_2110
2152 2011-03-22 22:22:20 <xelister> Aciid: Im in eu =) out of curiosity, what.. oh 2110
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2154 2011-03-22 22:22:27 <xelister> :)
2155 2011-03-22 22:22:33 <JFK911> i dont know what you expect out of a software package as complex as a smartphone rom, where new models are rushed thru the same developers every 6 months
2156 2011-03-22 22:22:34 <molecular> xelister, or buy something like this: http://www.letsgodigital.org/nl/14038/nokia_6120_classic/
2157 2011-03-22 22:22:43 <xelister> yeah nokias seem to be nice.
2158 2011-03-22 22:22:55 <xelister> molecular: similar to what I use now
2159 2011-03-22 22:22:58 <Aciid> external display : no , rear camera: no, front camera: no
2160 2011-03-22 22:23:05 <Aciid> I think this will be a reliable phone for xelister
2161 2011-03-22 22:23:24 <EvanR-work> xelister: hardwares been way beyond the frontier of ridiculous for decades, but the difference is it works
2162 2011-03-22 22:23:26 <xelister> it would be. Could have smaller size though
2163 2011-03-22 22:23:37 <EvanR-work> xelister: because people think a little bit before they put it together
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2165 2011-03-22 22:23:41 <EvanR-work> not after
2166 2011-03-22 22:23:46 <xelister> EvanR-work: well I dunno.. nowdays all hardware is overfuckingfeauturesd
2167 2011-03-22 22:24:15 <EvanR-work> out of sight out of mind
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2169 2011-03-22 22:24:20 <ArtForz> and unfuckingreliable
2170 2011-03-22 22:24:20 <EvanR-work> USB? insanity
2171 2011-03-22 22:24:21 <xelister> damn marketing and everyone choosing omg 105 feautures over rating of stability durability etc..
2172 2011-03-22 22:24:30 <Aciid> low tech phones for IED's
2173 2011-03-22 22:24:37 <Aciid> improve reliability
2174 2011-03-22 22:24:37 <xelister> all software is fuckingblararagagghhh
2175 2011-03-22 22:24:52 <xelister> ;)
2176 2011-03-22 22:25:06 <xelister> technology used to be cool 10 years ago, now it is annoying with noobs and salesmens pushing shit everywhere you look...
2177 2011-03-22 22:25:09 <EvanR-work> yeah, its systemic, the culture thinks thats good
2178 2011-03-22 22:25:10 <EvanR-work> not bad
2179 2011-03-22 22:25:20 <ArtForz> there *is* a lomit to board-level miniaturization using existing manufacturing technology, and it's pretty much reached
2180 2011-03-22 22:25:35 <xelister> today's IT seems to be more fucking annoying then it was ~10 years ago somehow
2181 2011-03-22 22:25:39 <JFK911> ArtForz: that's always the case
2182 2011-03-22 22:25:50 <BlueMatt> tcatm: sorry dont have time to get it to work right now...I dont see why it wouldnt (you did delete fork and setsid for win right?)
2183 2011-03-22 22:25:57 <JFK911> technology is always at the limits! that's why it's technology, right?
2184 2011-03-22 22:26:08 <ArtForz> no
2185 2011-03-22 22:26:11 <EvanR-work> xelister: back then windows still required a reboot every 30 minutes though
2186 2011-03-22 22:26:18 <xelister> one might think progress of tech is too fast or something
2187 2011-03-22 22:26:20 <xelister> how someone put it
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2189 2011-03-22 22:26:21 <JFK911> what used to be 'technology' is now 'obvious'
2190 2011-03-22 22:26:24 <tcatm> BlueMatt: yep. I'll try to setup my own win32 compile environment
2191 2011-03-22 22:26:25 <xelister> there is no longer sci-fi
2192 2011-03-22 22:26:36 <xelister> because all previous sci-fi "woooow that would be so cool, magic"
2193 2011-03-22 22:26:36 <BlueMatt> tcatm: ok that would be best, I have to go
2194 2011-03-22 22:26:46 <ArtForz> yet the "obvious" 0.4mm uBGA fails after ... 350 thermal cycles average
2195 2011-03-22 22:26:52 <xelister> becomes more of "mey I guess they could make that work.. but it contains so many scientific mistakes."
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2198 2011-03-22 22:27:22 <JFK911> ArtForz: 0.4mm pitch isnt quite flintstones soic huge packages
2199 2011-03-22 22:27:40 <ArtForz> well, it's standard for mobile stuff nowadays
2200 2011-03-22 22:27:41 <xelister> lets take world back to retro 2000's.
2201 2011-03-22 22:27:53 * xelister installs flash in all BWR plants and exploits it
2202 2011-03-22 22:27:54 <sipa1024> BlueMatt: do you think my walletdump patch would be useful to include in your nightly builds?
2203 2011-03-22 22:28:03 * xelister SOMEONES JUST WANT TO WATCH THE WORLD BURN :}
2204 2011-03-22 22:28:21 <ArtForz> and thermal cycling is even worse for land-bump-array
2205 2011-03-22 22:29:06 <justmoon> video is up: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=697.msg70001#msg70001
2206 2011-03-22 22:29:51 <ArtForz> wild-ass-guess, next step is different substrate
2207 2011-03-22 22:30:40 <EvanR-work> nanotubal spaghetti hardware!
2208 2011-03-22 22:31:09 <ArtForz> thermal cycling is such a problem because FR4s coeff of expansion is pretty much anti-matched to plastic IC packages
2209 2011-03-22 22:32:09 <xelister> ArtForz: are rapid temp changes say 50->75 C in 5 seconds (typical for idel radeon starting mining full speed) not demaging the card?
2210 2011-03-22 22:32:23 <ArtForz> they are. slowly.
2211 2011-03-22 22:32:55 <xelister> how many huch cycles could start be responsible for destroying the card?
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2213 2011-03-22 22:33:06 <ArtForz> the big question is "quick enough to problems within a decade" ;)
2214 2011-03-22 22:33:15 <jostmey> justmoon: Awesome video!
2215 2011-03-22 22:33:32 <justmoon> jostmey: thanks dude :)
2216 2011-03-22 22:33:37 <xelister> ArtForz: hm? e.g. would such cycle 10 times daily make a problem in like days, weeks or years
2217 2011-03-22 22:33:53 <ArtForz> years
2218 2011-03-22 22:34:08 <jostmey> justmoon: the community has been needing this for a long time. Is this for anyone to put on their website?
2219 2011-03-22 22:34:15 <ArtForz> the whole thing is under compression so stress fractures are pretty much a nonissue
2220 2011-03-22 22:34:47 <ArtForz> well, at least stress fractures at important places
2221 2011-03-22 22:34:51 <justmoon> jostmey: license is creative commons 3.0 attribution - meaning you can do whatever you like with it as long as you keep the credits in there
2222 2011-03-22 22:35:18 <ArtForz> a few vcc/gnd balls in the center cracking... who gives a fuck
2223 2011-03-22 22:36:05 <d__> but a reflow would solve it?
2224 2011-03-22 22:36:13 <ArtForz> yup
2225 2011-03-22 22:36:20 <ArtForz> well, normally
2226 2011-03-22 22:36:40 <jostmey> justmoon: Cool.
2227 2011-03-22 22:37:30 <ArtForz> one problem is, you dont get good joints on reflowing cracked balls
2228 2011-03-22 22:37:52 <ArtForz> well, unless you get some flux under there ;)
2229 2011-03-22 22:38:13 <ArtForz> which actually isn't *that* hard
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2231 2011-03-22 22:38:30 <xelister> ArtForz: what are vcc balls
2232 2011-03-22 22:38:42 <ArtForz> core voltage supply
2233 2011-03-22 22:39:08 <ArtForz> those usually live together with ground in the center right under the die, acting as additional heat paths from die to board
2234 2011-03-22 22:39:34 <ArtForz> and you usally have at least 30-40% more than you really need for power
2235 2011-03-22 22:39:44 <ArtForz> so losing a few is not really a problem
2236 2011-03-22 22:40:12 <ArtForz> you kinda dont want to lose outside balls where data signals live
2237 2011-03-22 22:40:45 <ArtForz> so generally you use a x-plate that supports the back of the BCP more on the outside of the package than the center
2238 2011-03-22 22:41:02 <ArtForz> which ATI does
2239 2011-03-22 22:41:05 <ArtForz> *PCB
2240 2011-03-22 22:42:00 <ArtForz> anyways, it's not an issue generally for PC stuff
2241 2011-03-22 22:42:36 <ArtForz> you have pretty massive heatsinks that limit range and speed of temp fluctuations
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2249 2011-03-22 22:52:01 <molecular> "one problem is, you dont get good joints on reflowing cracked balls" <- if you take this out of context it's kind of funny
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2251 2011-03-22 22:54:33 <ArtForz> yup
2252 2011-03-22 22:54:54 <ArtForz> don't forget pillow defects ;)
2253 2011-03-22 22:55:15 <molecular> hehe
2254 2011-03-22 22:56:13 <molecular> damn, the rpc fail hit again, this time over the course of 4 minutes. unfortunately I can't tell if it was intermittent or not ;(
2255 2011-03-22 22:56:24 <molecular> and there was not restart of bitcoin or network troubles
2256 2011-03-22 22:56:34 <molecular> will alter debug logging again
2257 2011-03-22 22:56:59 <ArtForz> intermittent faults suck
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2262 2011-03-22 23:01:16 <molecular> ArtForz, in your previous theory, the code that answers getwork takes too long because of many txs in the cache?
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2264 2011-03-22 23:03:06 <ArtForz> yea
2265 2011-03-22 23:03:10 <molecular> ArtForz, actually, I think that might be it. It seems to happen now on every new tx for a short time
2266 2011-03-22 23:03:27 <ArtForz> maybe log size of tx cache
2267 2011-03-22 23:03:59 <molecular> 00:00:28, 00:01:28, 00:01:33, 00:02:29, 00:02:34 <- at these timepoints
2268 2011-03-22 23:04:11 <ArtForz> sure looks like it
2269 2011-03-22 23:04:15 <molecular> argh
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2271 2011-03-22 23:05:03 <molecular> I could increase my getwork interval from 1 second to 5 ?
2272 2011-03-22 23:05:16 <ArtForz> yeah, that should help
2273 2011-03-22 23:05:45 <ArtForz> also, if you run git, try -limitfreerelay
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2278 2011-03-22 23:06:38 <molecular> I still run binary. But actually I could switch since I am finally able to compile at least bitcoind ;)
2279 2011-03-22 23:07:21 <ArtForz> doesnt limit total size of cache, but at least -limitfreerelay=1 limits growth to 1kB/minute
2280 2011-03-22 23:07:38 <molecular> per connection?
2281 2011-03-22 23:07:43 <ArtForz> total
2282 2011-03-22 23:07:46 <molecular> ok, cool
2283 2011-03-22 23:08:03 <molecular> can I put it in the bitcoin.conf, too?
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2285 2011-03-22 23:08:32 <ArtForz> yea
2286 2011-03-22 23:08:33 <theymos> Yes. You can put all switches in bitcoin.conf.
2287 2011-03-22 23:08:47 <ArtForz> except for datadir ;)
2288 2011-03-22 23:09:51 <molecular> hmm, I have to poclbm instances running... just used -a 5 on one and -a 1 on the other. both show the problem.
2289 2011-03-22 23:09:56 <molecular> too
2290 2011-03-22 23:10:02 <molecular> two
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2293 2011-03-22 23:10:36 <molecular> probably if one instance hits bitcoin each second, the other instance will also see the problem
2294 2011-03-22 23:10:51 <ArtForz> humm, possibly
2295 2011-03-22 23:10:59 <kiba> somebody is about get paid a lot of bitcoin...
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2297 2011-03-22 23:14:23 <molecular> how's that, kiba?
2298 2011-03-22 23:16:29 <theymos> justmoon is going to win that giant bounty.
2299 2011-03-22 23:18:10 <molecular> giant bounty?
2300 2011-03-22 23:18:15 <slush> yes, very good stuff. and bitcoin need marketing like hell
2301 2011-03-22 23:18:49 <theymos> molecular: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=697.msg70001#msg70001
2302 2011-03-22 23:19:25 <slush> I saw some videos from the same artist before and I was pretty sure it will be fine
2303 2011-03-22 23:19:26 <molecular> wow, that is pretty giant
2304 2011-03-22 23:20:07 <kiba> I believe 8400 BTC is in the escrow account held by noagendamarket, me, and bytemaster
2305 2011-03-22 23:20:13 * kiba is too lazy to check it
2306 2011-03-22 23:20:58 <slush> kiba: if gavin approve it, will you pay the bounty to justmoon?
2307 2011-03-22 23:21:40 <kiba> I think the process called for a poll
2308 2011-03-22 23:21:40 <molecular> ah, the video is out? cool!
2309 2011-03-22 23:21:46 <kiba> however I predict a landslide approval
2310 2011-03-22 23:23:02 <theymos> Satoshi will probably approve it if someone emails him.
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2312 2011-03-22 23:23:32 <slush> I think satoshi and gavin are in contact
2313 2011-03-22 23:23:38 <slush> and gavin cooperated on the transcript
2314 2011-03-22 23:23:40 <sipa> wow that video is good
2315 2011-03-22 23:23:44 <molecular> yeah
2316 2011-03-22 23:23:54 <molecular> although: "no fees"... nggg. ok
2317 2011-03-22 23:23:57 <theymos> Satoshi answers important email.
2318 2011-03-22 23:24:21 <sipa> and it's maybe dangerous to say that anyonce can run a miner
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2320 2011-03-22 23:24:47 <sipa> *anyone
2321 2011-03-22 23:24:52 <molecular> can I dl the 1080p version somewhere? wanna use to show friends as introduction.
2322 2011-03-22 23:25:05 <slush> sipa: I had same reaction on the mining mentioned in the vid
2323 2011-03-22 23:25:38 <slush> molecular: ask justmoon and put it on torrent. I'll seed it then, too
2324 2011-03-22 23:26:35 <luke-jr> is justmoon's video anywhere in HTML 5?
2325 2011-03-22 23:26:46 <eps1> anyone here use poclbm?
2326 2011-03-22 23:27:11 <eps1> there was a commit last week to do with threads that halved my hash rate
2327 2011-03-22 23:27:31 <eps1> i reverted it on my local git repo and the hash rate is back up
2328 2011-03-22 23:27:33 <sipa> kiba: how do add to the bounty? :)
2329 2011-03-22 23:27:43 <eps1> anyone else experienced this?
2330 2011-03-22 23:27:58 <slush> eps1: no
2331 2011-03-22 23:28:05 <luke-jr> too fast going through those 5 points :/
2332 2011-03-22 23:28:18 <slush> eps1: what pool do you use?
2333 2011-03-22 23:28:24 <eps1> yours ;)
2334 2011-03-22 23:28:32 <slush> heh, then it should not change anything
2335 2011-03-22 23:28:47 <slush> the threading is related to long polling, which is not enabled on my pool yet
2336 2011-03-22 23:29:19 <eps1> ok
2337 2011-03-22 23:29:59 <kiba> sipa: if I log into the account, I should be able to generate an address for donation
2338 2011-03-22 23:30:12 <luke-jr> the website needs to mention tradebitcoin.com -.-
2339 2011-03-22 23:31:14 <sipa> kiba: oh there is an address already, i've sent some coins there
2340 2011-03-22 23:31:50 <kiba> which address did you send it to?
2341 2011-03-22 23:32:01 <sipa> the one listed here: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=697.0
2342 2011-03-22 23:32:56 <kiba> wrong address
2343 2011-03-22 23:33:43 <kiba> you should have wait for me to generate an address for you to donate to
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2345 2011-03-22 23:34:42 <sipa> eh?
2346 2011-03-22 23:34:54 <kiba> I am not sure if it is the right address
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2348 2011-03-22 23:35:14 <sipa> well it was put there by bytecoin, who co-manages the mybitcoin account, no?
2349 2011-03-22 23:35:27 <kiba> sipa: I am not sure if it is his personal address
2350 2011-03-22 23:35:30 <kiba> or mybitcoin
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2352 2011-03-22 23:36:03 <sipa> i see
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2354 2011-03-22 23:36:29 <sipa> doesn't matter, wasn't much :)
2355 2011-03-22 23:36:56 <[Tycho]> Nice demo video.
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2357 2011-03-22 23:38:55 <Zenith77> I'm on slush's pool, how long does it usually take to confirm a reward?
2358 2011-03-22 23:39:02 <[Tycho]> 120 blocks
2359 2011-03-22 23:39:04 <sipa> 120 blocks
2360 2011-03-22 23:39:22 <Zenith77> which could mean any amount of time then :P
2361 2011-03-22 23:39:35 <[Tycho]> 120*10 minutes
2362 2011-03-22 23:39:36 <Beremat> 20 hours on average
2363 2011-03-22 23:39:41 <sipa> and currently a bit more
2364 2011-03-22 23:39:44 <sipa> ;;bc,stats
2365 2011-03-22 23:39:46 <gribble> Current Blocks: 114584 | Current Difficulty: 76193.9710474 | Next Difficulty At Block: 114911 | Next Difficulty In: 327 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 12 hours, 40 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 67000.01185591
2366 2011-03-22 23:40:20 <sipa> more like 22-23 hours, so let's say a day to be sure :)
2367 2011-03-22 23:40:43 <Zenith77> so I should be receiving a very marginal amount of btc soon lol
2368 2011-03-22 23:40:56 <Zenith77> heh
2369 2011-03-22 23:41:13 <sipa> have you accumulated more than 0.01 BTC on slush's pool?
2370 2011-03-22 23:41:39 <Zenith77> it says unconfirmed reward: 0.100002583
2371 2011-03-22 23:41:48 <Zenith77> confirmed reward: 0.0 BTC
2372 2011-03-22 23:41:56 <molecular> slush, I downloaded all versions of "What is Bitcoin" from youtube, put them in a folder, made a torrent with btjunkie and piratebay as trackers... did I do that right?
2373 2011-03-22 23:42:19 <Validus> tpb.. *shudders*
2374 2011-03-22 23:42:25 <slush> molecular: I think so
2375 2011-03-22 23:42:38 <Validus> you could put them on all the legal torrents one would thing
2376 2011-03-22 23:42:38 <molecular> need help seeding, how can I best publish the .torrent here?
2377 2011-03-22 23:42:40 <Validus> think*
2378 2011-03-22 23:42:44 <slush> publish it and send me link on tpb :)
2379 2011-03-22 23:42:55 <molecular> Validus, well, there was a list and I checked all elements
2380 2011-03-22 23:43:01 <molecular> (transmission)
2381 2011-03-22 23:43:08 <molecular> slush, I have no place to publish
2382 2011-03-22 23:43:14 <molecular> can I email it to you?
2383 2011-03-22 23:43:16 <slush> molecular: the pirate bay? :)
2384 2011-03-22 23:43:22 <Validus> theres a whole slew of public trackers also you can add
2385 2011-03-22 23:43:24 <molecular> uh, allright
2386 2011-03-22 23:43:26 <slush> molecular: when you publish the torrent file, it will be listed here
2387 2011-03-22 23:43:28 <Validus> id put it on demonoid to
2388 2011-03-22 23:43:33 <molecular> can I add them after the fact?
2389 2011-03-22 23:43:35 <Validus> its basically open lol
2390 2011-03-22 23:44:18 <sipa> the CC license allows redistribution, i assume?
2391 2011-03-22 23:44:29 <slush> yep
2392 2011-03-22 23:44:53 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr <luke-jr+git@utopios.org> * r4fcdd7524ddc spesmilo/cashier.py: Make txload_waste configurable (in code only)
2393 2011-03-22 23:45:11 <Validus> i dont have anymore hosting left or id put it up
2394 2011-03-22 23:46:28 <sipa> i do
2395 2011-03-22 23:46:48 <slush> molecular: sooo? :)
2396 2011-03-22 23:46:57 <sipa> how large is the largest file?
2397 2011-03-22 23:47:21 <Validus> put it anywhere else than the tpb and ill help seed with it to, i just dont allow my ip on that site.. hehe
2398 2011-03-22 23:49:04 <molecular> ok, will remake the torrent
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2400 2011-03-22 23:50:02 <[Tycho]> Validus, what's wrong with you ? :)
2401 2011-03-22 23:50:07 <midnightmagic> not to say i'm about to, but is there anyone else here who is interested in writing a colluding tradebot 4 mtgox to defeat that irritating up&down autotrader?
2402 2011-03-22 23:50:38 <Validus> whats wrong with me? the most watched public thing in the world? no thanks. i have that address nulled in my hosts just in case of a link
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2406 2011-03-22 23:53:57 <midnightmagic> thanks, got enough msg. :)
2407 2011-03-22 23:54:27 <Validus> it could probably be good for publicity though
2408 2011-03-22 23:58:10 <[Tycho]> Can someone create a sendmany tx ? Want to check if my pool will relay it.
2409 2011-03-22 23:59:24 <[Tycho]> Oh, nevermind.