1 2011-03-27 00:00:44 <genjix> tcatm: https://britcoin.co.uk/api/trades.php
   2 2011-03-27 00:00:48 <genjix> tcatm: for bitcoincharts
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  12 2011-03-27 00:39:06 <LtBrenton> ;;bc,stats
  13 2011-03-27 00:39:08 <gribble> Current Blocks: 115209 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 1718 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 0 hours, 51 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 74841.02253123
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  30 2011-03-27 01:23:57 <sipa> jgarzik: haven't checked the forum yet, but a suggestion: store a known string encrypted in the wallet as well, to check whether the password was correct
  31 2011-03-27 01:24:28 <sipa> random string + hash of encrypted version of string or so
  32 2011-03-27 01:25:39 * Kiba ponders if witcoin will succed
  33 2011-03-27 01:25:42 <Kiba> succeed*
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  38 2011-03-27 01:36:11 <[Tycho]> "store a known string encrypted in the wallet as well" - to make bruteforcing possible ? :)
  39 2011-03-27 01:36:39 <sipa> bruteforcing is always possible, though slower
  40 2011-03-27 01:37:32 <sipa> but 2^255 1ns attempts or 2^255 1s attempts isn't much of a difference...
  41 2011-03-27 01:37:53 <[Tycho]> Big difference for me :)
  42 2011-03-27 01:38:35 <sipa> make it a repeated hashing of a random string after encrypting, with a stored result
  43 2011-03-27 01:38:59 <sipa> so it's not a single aes-256 attempt you need to verify it's the right key
  44 2011-03-27 01:39:13 <[Tycho]> Ecrypting wallet is good.
  45 2011-03-27 01:39:17 <[Tycho]> *n
  46 2011-03-27 01:39:34 <sipa> yes, but i don't like the fact that you won't know your password was wrong
  47 2011-03-27 01:39:44 <sipa> and all kinds of weird things will happen
  48 2011-03-27 01:39:45 <[Tycho]> Ok.
  49 2011-03-27 01:40:17 <[Tycho]> You are right.
  50 2011-03-27 01:41:22 * sipa .GoToBed();
  51 2011-03-27 01:42:08 <[Tycho]> return dream;
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  53 2011-03-27 01:45:03 <xelister> throw new nightmare( bubble_burst );
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  59 2011-03-27 01:58:46 <EPiSKiNG> so I'm pretty sure that since I'm a best buy rewards zone member, I can buy two video cards, run them for 40 days, then return them for a full refund
  60 2011-03-27 02:00:20 <[Tycho]> :)
  61 2011-03-27 02:00:58 <JFK911> when will the marijuana dealer take returns like that
  62 2011-03-27 02:01:12 <Necr0s> why two cards instead of 20?
  63 2011-03-27 02:01:13 <Avemo> why stop at two, buy two hundred
  64 2011-03-27 02:01:16 <Necr0s> lol
  65 2011-03-27 02:01:58 <Necr0s> Put it all on credit and pay nothing.
  66 2011-03-27 02:02:21 <Necr0s> Then repeat.
  67 2011-03-27 02:03:16 <EPiSKiNG> i think that's probably considered fraud
  68 2011-03-27 02:03:24 <Necr0s> how so?
  69 2011-03-27 02:03:41 <EPiSKiNG> i guess you're righ
  70 2011-03-27 02:03:42 <EPiSKiNG> t
  71 2011-03-27 02:03:44 <Necr0s> What law is broken?
  72 2011-03-27 02:03:49 <EPiSKiNG> since they advertise the return policy
  73 2011-03-27 02:04:07 <luke-jr> Necr0s: there are limits
  74 2011-03-27 02:04:27 <Necr0s> They may find a way to stop you after a while.
  75 2011-03-27 02:04:34 <Necr0s> And give you dirty looks.
  76 2011-03-27 02:04:47 <phantomcircuit> ok so this like mostly works
  77 2011-03-27 02:05:32 <Avemo> they might find some employee which can do partiuclarly staggering dirty looks
  78 2011-03-27 02:07:48 <xelister> btw
  79 2011-03-27 02:07:58 <xelister> does normal bitcoin client work well with several miners attached??
  80 2011-03-27 02:08:21 <xelister> e.g. I have 3 computes in LAN with o.k. GPU cards enough to help, should all this boxes connect to main box via RPC
  81 2011-03-27 02:09:01 <Avemo> yep
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  83 2011-03-27 02:13:15 <lfm> xelister: yup, thats what -server switch is for
  84 2011-03-27 02:13:30 <xelister> lfm: what -server, you mean in miners?
  85 2011-03-27 02:13:42 <lfm> on bitcoin
  86 2011-03-27 02:13:48 <lfm> on bitcoin command line
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  89 2011-03-27 02:15:23 <lfm> gui bitcoin command? put switch in "properties" command line if you mean mswin
  90 2011-03-27 02:15:54 <Necr0s> oh, been meaning to ask...
  91 2011-03-27 02:16:25 <Necr0s> How can I have bitcoind always run in server mode via a config file option, so I don't have to use the arg each time?
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  93 2011-03-27 02:17:35 <lfm> bitcoind runs in -server by default. you could put it in a startup folder or whatever
  94 2011-03-27 02:17:58 <Necr0s> "bitcoin" then, rather than bitcoind.  The gui app.
  95 2011-03-27 02:18:38 <lfm> Necr0s: ok bitcoin which os? on mswin 7 i add it to the "target" field
  96 2011-03-27 02:18:44 <Necr0s> OS X
  97 2011-03-27 02:19:16 <EPiSKiNG> i just run 2 miners 1 as a seperate worker for deepbit
  98 2011-03-27 02:19:19 <Necr0s> I guess I could make a one liner shell script to launch with the arg or something silly.
  99 2011-03-27 02:19:55 <Necr0s> I guess there's no other way to specify operation in 'server mode' huh...
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 101 2011-03-27 02:19:58 <lfm> dunno about osx. must be some sort of property or something associated with the icon or whatever you use to start it
 102 2011-03-27 02:23:53 <Necr0s> I can modify the package and put a wrapper script around the binary to pass that in I guess.
 103 2011-03-27 02:25:07 <EPiSKiNG> wonder what the difference is between running 2 5870s in Crossfire vs one in each seperate computer
 104 2011-03-27 02:25:20 <lfm> it might work in the bitcoin.config file with the rpcpass- stuff, not sure, I never tried it there
 105 2011-03-27 02:25:22 <Necr0s> I doubt there would be any difference.
 106 2011-03-27 02:26:02 <lfm> EPiSKiNG: one machine would be less total power cost
 107 2011-03-27 02:27:49 <[Tycho]> EPiSKiNG, you don't need to use crossfire. It's better without it.
 108 2011-03-27 02:30:41 <lfm> ya two card in one machine but leave the crossfire connector off for bitcoin, as I understand it
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 111 2011-03-27 02:31:04 <[Tycho]> Yes.
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 118 2011-03-27 02:41:22 <CIA-96> bitcoin: genjix <fake@lol.u> * r40e4a5cd6908 intersango/deposit.php: Revert "specify funds are manually authorised."
 119 2011-03-27 02:41:22 <CIA-96> bitcoin: genjix <fake@lol.u> * r9d1c1a24ecc8 intersango/www/api/trades.php: added trade data API.
 120 2011-03-27 02:41:23 <CIA-96> bitcoin: genjix <fake@lol.u> * rb609a03f7fc1 intersango/www/api/trades.php: corrected volume to show bought BTC.
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 131 2011-03-27 02:57:01 <Joozero> are you there magicaltux?
 132 2011-03-27 02:58:08 <lfm> ;;seen MagicalTux
 133 2011-03-27 02:58:09 <gribble> MagicalTux was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 15 hours, 16 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <MagicalTux> Joozero: ?
 134 2011-03-27 02:59:03 <Joozero> damn it
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 136 2011-03-27 03:03:16 <EPiSKiNG> what is the calculator command?
 137 2011-03-27 03:03:44 <Necr0s> ;;bc,calc foo
 138 2011-03-27 03:03:45 <gribble> Error: 'foo' is not a defined function.
 139 2011-03-27 03:06:18 <Zerbie> Are there any docs for accessing statistics from BCBot?
 140 2011-03-27 03:06:46 <lfm> ;;calc [bc,diff] * 2
 141 2011-03-27 03:06:47 <gribble> 68,978.89245792 * 2 = 137,957.785
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 143 2011-03-27 03:07:56 <lfm> ;;calc [bc,blocks] * 50
 144 2011-03-27 03:07:58 <gribble> 115,229 * 50 = 5,761,450
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 146 2011-03-27 03:08:28 <lfm> ;;calc [bc,diff] * 2^32
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 148 2011-03-27 03:08:29 <gribble> 68,978.89245792 * (2^32) = 2.96262087 * 10^(14)
 149 2011-03-27 03:09:01 <Zerbie> .bc help
 150 2011-03-27 03:09:03 <Zerbie> oops
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 152 2011-03-27 03:11:09 <EPiSKiNG> ''bc,calc 330000
 153 2011-03-27 03:11:26 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,calc 330000
 154 2011-03-27 03:11:27 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 330000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 1 week, 3 days, 9 hours, 22 minutes, and 43 seconds
 155 2011-03-27 03:11:30 <Zerbie> !ps
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 157 2011-03-27 03:11:54 <EPiSKiNG> this means i get 50 bitcoins each 1 week and 3 days.....
 158 2011-03-27 03:11:57 <EPiSKiNG> ?
 159 2011-03-27 03:12:08 <luke-jr> on average. for now.
 160 2011-03-27 03:12:11 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
 161 2011-03-27 03:12:13 <gribble> Current Blocks: 115229 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 1698 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 19 hours, 25 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 75477.59801767
 162 2011-03-27 03:12:21 <lfm> EPiSKiNG: its random, it could be more or less
 163 2011-03-27 03:12:25 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 330000 75477
 164 2011-03-27 03:12:26 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 330000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 75477, is 1 week, 4 days, 8 hours, 52 minutes, and 17 seconds
 165 2011-03-27 03:12:34 <luke-jr> EPiSKiNG: then the next one, 1 week 4 days
 166 2011-03-27 03:12:54 <EPiSKiNG> what would the difficulty be next year?
 167 2011-03-27 03:12:59 <luke-jr> …
 168 2011-03-27 03:13:04 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,calc 990000
 169 2011-03-27 03:13:05 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 990000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 3 days, 11 hours, 7 minutes, and 34 seconds
 170 2011-03-27 03:13:11 <luke-jr> at the current rate, probably like 20000000
 171 2011-03-27 03:13:16 <lfm> EPiSKiNG: no one really knows what the future difficulty will be
 172 2011-03-27 03:13:50 <luke-jr> but right now it's borderline making video card purchases unprofitable
 173 2011-03-27 03:13:51 <EPiSKiNG> dependent upon the rate of solution?
 174 2011-03-27 03:14:00 <luke-jr> so chances are, it will break the curve a bit
 175 2011-03-27 03:14:07 <lfm> depending on how many people join
 176 2011-03-27 03:14:12 <luke-jr> EPiSKiNG: dependent upon how many people start mining basically
 177 2011-03-27 03:14:13 <Zerbie> ;;bc,calc 1600000
 178 2011-03-27 03:14:14 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1600000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 2 days, 3 hours, 26 minutes, and 3 seconds
 179 2011-03-27 03:14:24 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 160000000
 180 2011-03-27 03:14:25 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 160000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 30 minutes and 51 seconds
 181 2011-03-27 03:15:22 <EPiSKiNG> but isn't the bitcoin value itself supposed to increase in value?  has that happened in the past?
 182 2011-03-27 03:15:30 <lfm> ;;bc,poolstats
 183 2011-03-27 03:15:31 <gribble> {"ghashes_ps": "140.435", "shares": 49733, "active_workers": 1856, "round_duration": "0:25:21", "score": "145866.8148", "round_started": "2011-03-27 02:48:40", "shares_cdf": "51.37", "getwork_ps": 443}
 184 2011-03-27 03:15:41 <EPiSKiNG> so getting them now is like 10000x better than getting them in 10 years?
 185 2011-03-27 03:15:42 <luke-jr> EPiSKiNG: that is indeed another factor
 186 2011-03-27 03:15:53 <luke-jr> but the value increasing depends on adoption
 187 2011-03-27 03:16:01 <luke-jr> if people don't adopt bitcoin, its value will decrease
 188 2011-03-27 03:16:02 <lfm> bc,calc 140435000
 189 2011-03-27 03:16:10 <lfm> ;;bc,calc 140435000
 190 2011-03-27 03:16:11 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 140435000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 35 minutes and 9 seconds
 191 2011-03-27 03:17:16 <EPiSKiNG> so i guess we really just don't know then, eh?
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 194 2011-03-27 03:18:10 <luke-jr> EPiSKiNG: I know I will have higher profits if you don't mine.
 195 2011-03-27 03:18:25 <EPiSKiNG> does internet connectivity have anything to do with MH/s?
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 197 2011-03-27 03:19:08 <luke-jr> generally no
 198 2011-03-27 03:19:17 <luke-jr> if your connection is really bad, maybe
 199 2011-03-27 03:19:41 <Necr0s> Only if your bitcoind loses contact with the swarm.
 200 2011-03-27 03:19:46 <Necr0s> 0 peers connected.
 201 2011-03-27 03:19:46 <Zerbie> For pooled work, if there is a delay between hash blocks, it can decrease your overall MH/s.
 202 2011-03-27 03:19:48 <luke-jr> like, if you were on the moon, you'd get MH/s still, but you'd always find stale blocks
 203 2011-03-27 03:20:06 <Necr0s> no, not always.
 204 2011-03-27 03:20:12 <Necr0s> But a tad more liekly.
 205 2011-03-27 03:20:30 <luke-jr> Necr0s: pretty much always, I think?
 206 2011-03-27 03:20:59 <luke-jr> oh, I mean Mars maybe
 207 2011-03-27 03:21:19 <luke-jr> I guess Luna is only 2 sec away
 208 2011-03-27 03:22:08 <lfm> necro
 209 2011-03-27 03:22:23 <lfm> Necr0s: ya 0 peers connected is bad
 210 2011-03-27 03:23:48 <Zerbie> I'm looking for the average transaction size.  nullvoid.org/bitcoin is down, so I'm looking for ways to use BTCBot to get the answer.  Is there a manual for ;;bc?
 211 2011-03-27 03:24:28 <lfm> Zerbie: I dont think that stat is normally collected or reported
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 213 2011-03-27 03:28:29 <robotarmy> 2011 : For A Free Digital Society Registration for talk http://phog.ram9.cc/ (SANFRANCISCO)
 214 2011-03-27 03:28:41 <robotarmy> (Richard Stallman will be speaking)
 215 2011-03-27 03:28:47 <[Tycho]> Moon is not 2 secs away, i suppose.
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 221 2011-03-27 03:43:04 <luke-jr> robotarmy: not sure anyone here cares about RMS
 222 2011-03-27 03:43:17 <luke-jr> most people seem to be in the open source camp
 223 2011-03-27 03:43:33 <robotarmy> does anyone here have opinions about free digital society?
 224 2011-03-27 03:44:02 * BurtyB isn't an RMS fan
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 226 2011-03-27 03:45:37 <luke-jr> robotarmy: I'm in the free software camp, but dislike RMS because he's too verbose on unrelated topics he knows nothing about
 227 2011-03-27 03:46:33 <robotarmy> I think that the conversations and thinking that come out of having someone like him make a stand on a topic are helpful.
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 229 2011-03-27 03:51:27 <Necr0s> wtf does "free digital society" mean?
 230 2011-03-27 03:51:43 <[Tycho]> What is RMS ?
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 232 2011-03-27 03:52:14 <BurtyB> some say RMS is human
 233 2011-03-27 03:52:52 <BurtyB> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman
 234 2011-03-27 03:53:06 <[Tycho]> "Rated Maximum Sinusoidal" or "root mean square"
 235 2011-03-27 03:53:19 <[Tycho]> Oh, that one.
 236 2011-03-27 03:53:46 <Necr0s> Which of the ones you mentiones is the 0.707 one?
 237 2011-03-27 03:54:10 <[Tycho]> The evil linux man...
 238 2011-03-27 03:54:20 <luke-jr> s/linux/GNU/
 239 2011-03-27 03:54:31 <BurtyB> GNU/Linux *spit*
 240 2011-03-27 03:54:44 <Necr0s> Lightsabers aren't open source.
 241 2011-03-27 03:54:44 <luke-jr> oh, a Windoze fanboy here?
 242 2011-03-27 03:54:55 <luke-jr> Necr0s: actually, they are
 243 2011-03-27 03:55:04 * BurtyB is no windows fanboi, but I'm not fan of calling it GNU/Linux either
 244 2011-03-27 03:55:11 <luke-jr> lightsabers are built by the Jedi; to build, you need source
 245 2011-03-27 03:55:16 <luke-jr> ergo, lightsabers ARE open source
 246 2011-03-27 03:55:17 <Necr0s> lolol
 247 2011-03-27 03:55:24 <luke-jr> BurtyB: ok, so just call it GNU
 248 2011-03-27 03:55:32 <BurtyB> *shudder* no I call it Linux
 249 2011-03-27 03:55:47 <luke-jr> BurtyB: then you're calling it the wrong name
 250 2011-03-27 03:55:53 <luke-jr> because it's GNU, not Linux
 251 2011-03-27 03:55:55 <luke-jr> Linux is just a kernel
 252 2011-03-27 03:56:29 <BurtyB> luke-jr I am aware of this, but I refuse to call it GNU
 253 2011-03-27 03:56:44 <luke-jr> BurtyB: then you're a nusance to society
 254 2011-03-27 03:57:42 <BurtyB> luke-jr in that case I have been so for well over 15 years
 255 2011-03-27 03:57:49 <luke-jr> liar
 256 2011-03-27 03:57:49 <mizerydearia> May I get some feedback re witcoin and profit distribution?  http://pastebin.com/Xwdea75x
 257 2011-03-27 03:58:00 <BurtyB> luke-jr explain?
 258 2011-03-27 03:58:08 <luke-jr> nm, forgot it's 2011
 259 2011-03-27 03:58:10 <luke-jr> XD
 260 2011-03-27 03:58:21 * BurtyB started to use Linux in 1994 at Uni :)
 261 2011-03-27 03:59:01 <[Tycho]> Windows is the OS for future !
 262 2011-03-27 03:59:06 <[Tycho]> And the past.
 263 2011-03-27 03:59:09 <luke-jr> just past
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 265 2011-03-27 04:00:11 <BurtyB> Windows is the OS of the reboot
 266 2011-03-27 04:00:21 <[Tycho]> Why reboot ?
 267 2011-03-27 04:00:37 <mizerydearia> or join #bitcoin-discussion to join the discussion there
 268 2011-03-27 04:00:37 <[Tycho]> Windows don't needs rebooting for normal work.
 269 2011-03-27 04:00:55 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: what was the chinese oem that makes nzxt hale 90s?
 270 2011-03-27 04:01:07 <BurtyB> Those things called updates that keep buggins me until I reboot
 271 2011-03-27 04:02:12 <Diablo-D3> oh right super flower
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 282 2011-03-27 04:35:35 <theymos> Why was a fee charged on this transaction? http://blockexplorer.com/t/2kPyoU2jj8 The sender says he didn't have -paytxfee set. As far as I can tell, a fee shouldn't have been charged.
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 285 2011-03-27 04:38:40 <[Tycho]> There may be a bug of malicious piece of code in new bitcoin version or github :)
 286 2011-03-27 04:40:32 <theymos> Malicious code?
 287 2011-03-27 04:40:58 <lfm> theymos: he set it and he didnt know what he was doing and he forgot about it
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 289 2011-03-27 04:41:53 <theymos> paytxfee is a setting that's remembered in wallet.dat, so that seems likely.
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 291 2011-03-27 04:42:32 <lfm> oh so to turn it off you have to do a -paytxfee 0
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 293 2011-03-27 04:43:20 <theymos> I think so.
 294 2011-03-27 04:43:30 <lfm> Ill try it
 295 2011-03-27 04:44:50 <jopie911> who wants to trade 1 BTC
 296 2011-03-27 04:45:08 <luke-jr> for?
 297 2011-03-27 04:45:12 <jopie911> 1 btc
 298 2011-03-27 04:45:21 <luke-jr> …
 299 2011-03-27 04:45:31 <jopie911> it'll be soi fuckin fun
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 301 2011-03-27 04:49:32 <EPiSKiNG> I will
 302 2011-03-27 04:49:34 <EPiSKiNG> not
 303 2011-03-27 04:49:42 <EPiSKiNG> only have .04
 304 2011-03-27 04:49:56 <Zerbie> ;;bc,bcm
 305 2011-03-27 04:49:57 <gribble> [{"pair": "BMBTC/BMUSD", "ask": "0.0", "bid": "1.6", "time": 1301201095}, {"pair": "BMBTC/BMAUD", "ask": "0.0", "bid": "0.0", "time": 1301201095}, {"pair": "BMBTC/BMGAU", "ask": "0.0231", "bid": "0.019", "time": 1301201095}, {"pair": "BMBTC/LRUSD", "ask": "0.87", "bid": "0.5", "time": 1301201095}, {"pair": "BMBTC/MBUSD", "ask": "0.85", "bid": "0.91", "time": 1301201095}, {"pair": (1 more message)
 306 2011-03-27 04:50:03 <luke-jr> EPiSKiNG: just say he has to send first
 307 2011-03-27 04:50:05 <luke-jr> :P
 308 2011-03-27 04:50:14 <EPiSKiNG> of course
 309 2011-03-27 04:50:27 <Zerbie> ;;bc,btcex
 310 2011-03-27 04:50:27 <lfm> joepie91: oops sorry meant jopie91
 311 2011-03-27 04:50:30 <gribble> '[\n  {\n    "currency": "WMR",\n    "currency_name": "WebMoney RUB",\n    "bid": "21.0000",\n    "ask": "26.0000",\n    "lastTradedPrice": "25.5000",\n    "lastTradedQuantity": "0.01",\n    "last24HrsTradedQuantity": "1.51"\n  },\n  {\n    "currency": "JPY",\n    "currency_name": "Japanese yen",\n    "bid": "1.0000",\n    "ask": "None",\n    "lastTradedPrice": "1.0000",\n (2 more messages)
 312 2011-03-27 04:50:48 * joepie91 confuse
 313 2011-03-27 04:51:17 <lfm> why is there jopie911 and joepie91 both here
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 315 2011-03-27 04:51:54 <Zerbie> ;;bc,estimate
 316 2011-03-27 04:51:55 <gribble> 76761.84089649
 317 2011-03-27 04:52:17 <joepie91> it might be me, but I don't see a jopie911?
 318 2011-03-27 04:53:12 <lfm> ;;seen jopie911
 319 2011-03-27 04:53:13 <gribble> jopie911 was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 7 minutes and 41 seconds ago: <jopie911> it'll be soi fuckin fun
 320 2011-03-27 04:53:26 <Zerbie> ;;bc,timetonext
 321 2011-03-27 04:53:27 <gribble> 1 week, 3 days, 12 hours, 55 minutes, and 3 seconds
 322 2011-03-27 04:54:35 <Zerbie> ;;bc,wiki
 323 2011-03-27 04:54:36 <gribble> https://bitcoin.it/ | Mar 24, 2011 ... Sourced from Wikipedia. Bitcoin is a digital currency created in 2009 by Satoshi Nakamoto. It is also the name of the open source software ...
 324 2011-03-27 04:55:01 <joepie91> oh lol, that was not me
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 330 2011-03-27 05:00:05 <TinkerToyTech> Anyone know what kinda k'hshs I can expect with a 6950 runnning stock?   what about running on the 6970 firmware?
 331 2011-03-27 05:00:41 <Zerbie> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
 332 2011-03-27 05:01:09 <TinkerToyTech> thank you, I've been looking for that exact link
 333 2011-03-27 05:01:18 <Zerbie> np
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 336 2011-03-27 05:13:26 <TinkerToyTech> well.  I would have ordered a 5xxx series card but thought about end of life and the long term use of the card so I went with the bios hackable 6950..  I misread the stream process numbers
 337 2011-03-27 05:15:03 <Diablo-D3> 69xx arent bad for bitcoin
 338 2011-03-27 05:15:08 <Diablo-D3> I just dont like the sdk 2.3 requirement
 339 2011-03-27 05:16:20 <Zerbie> First thing I did when I wanted to upgrade my card is look through those numbers.  Wanted to buy a 5970, but my power supply would not allow it... so I picked up a 5870 instead.  It payed for itself the first month.
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 346 2011-03-27 05:19:22 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,calc 315000
 347 2011-03-27 05:19:23 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 315000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 1 week, 3 days, 21 hours, 15 minutes, and 14 seconds
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 352 2011-03-27 05:48:40 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,calc 1000000
 353 2011-03-27 05:48:41 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 3 days, 10 hours, 17 minutes, and 42 seconds
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 362 2011-03-27 06:00:51 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,calc 1330000
 363 2011-03-27 06:00:52 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1330000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 2 days, 13 hours, 52 minutes, and 33 seconds
 364 2011-03-27 06:07:58 <EPiSKiNG> what's a good motherboard that supports 4 PCI-E x16
 365 2011-03-27 06:08:05 <EPiSKiNG> or is x16 needed for MH/s???
 366 2011-03-27 06:08:20 <[Tycho]> Less than x1 is enough
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 368 2011-03-27 06:08:32 <lfm> I think there is a MSI board that has extra spaceing for cooling double wide cards
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 370 2011-03-27 06:09:03 <[Tycho]> And usually you can't place more than 2 cards in normal MB without blocking one card's air intake
 371 2011-03-27 06:09:07 <EPiSKiNG> amd or intel platform
 372 2011-03-27 06:09:16 <[Tycho]> Intel, of course
 373 2011-03-27 06:09:22 <EPiSKiNG> good for you
 374 2011-03-27 06:09:28 <lfm> nothing of course about it
 375 2011-03-27 06:09:35 <[Tycho]> AMD is cheaper, but i don't like it.
 376 2011-03-27 06:09:40 <EPiSKiNG> so 4x 5870s on one motherboard possible?
 377 2011-03-27 06:09:58 <lfm> eps1: only on linux I think
 378 2011-03-27 06:10:02 <[Tycho]> You can use any CPU for that, no difference.
 379 2011-03-27 06:10:22 <[Tycho]> Yes, you can use 4x5870 on Windows.
 380 2011-03-27 06:10:37 <EPiSKiNG> well if i use 4x gpu for mining, of course it'll be linux
 381 2011-03-27 06:10:46 <[Tycho]> 4 GPU is max for Windows
 382 2011-03-27 06:10:54 <[Tycho]> Why linux ?
 383 2011-03-27 06:11:35 <EPiSKiNG> better performance i would think, although windows 7 never ceases to amaze me
 384 2011-03-27 06:11:51 <[Tycho]> No, there will be no difference in speed.
 385 2011-03-27 06:12:10 <nanotube> [Tycho]: so... all the more reason not to pay for win :)
 386 2011-03-27 06:12:13 <[Tycho]> Linux may even be slower if you use wrong drivers. Well, as Windows too :)
 387 2011-03-27 06:12:18 <lfm> oh 4 x 5870 is ok on windows 4 5970 you gotta use linux
 388 2011-03-27 06:12:34 <[Tycho]> Yes, because each 5970 is like two GPUs
 389 2011-03-27 06:13:20 <[Tycho]> EPiSKiNG, making a rig with four fullsize cards can be more challenging :)
 390 2011-03-27 06:13:34 <[Tycho]> You just can't do that in normal ATX case.
 391 2011-03-27 06:13:37 <EPiSKiNG> reminds me of the old ati radeon maxx video card
 392 2011-03-27 06:13:44 <EPiSKiNG> when it was 2 gpus on one card
 393 2011-03-27 06:14:04 <EPiSKiNG> can you do 3x cards in a regular case?
 394 2011-03-27 06:14:18 <[Tycho]> Standart ATX is for 7 cards, but each takes 2 slots.
 395 2011-03-27 06:14:27 <EPiSKiNG> *ATI Rage Fury Maxx
 396 2011-03-27 06:14:43 <[Tycho]> So there is no way for 4 cards in ATX case.
 397 2011-03-27 06:15:25 <[Tycho]> You may use PCIe extenders with flexible cable. Some can work.
 398 2011-03-27 06:15:33 <[Tycho]> ArtForz uses them.
 399 2011-03-27 06:15:44 <EPiSKiNG> what's the biggest rig you've heard of?
 400 2011-03-27 06:15:59 <[Tycho]> Biggest ?
 401 2011-03-27 06:16:09 <EPiSKiNG> like most MH/s
 402 2011-03-27 06:16:15 <[Tycho]> ArtForz, i suppose.
 403 2011-03-27 06:16:25 <[Tycho]> He uses 4x5970 in each MB.
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 405 2011-03-27 06:16:58 <EPiSKiNG> how many mb's?
 406 2011-03-27 06:17:19 <[Tycho]> May be ~2.4 GH/s per box
 407 2011-03-27 06:17:45 <[Tycho]> He uses slightly more efficient miner software and maximum overclocking.
 408 2011-03-27 06:17:53 <lfm> EPiSKiNG: he has just 2 boxes like that afaik but he has someother types of boxes too
 409 2011-03-27 06:18:50 <[Tycho]> May be 5
 410 2011-03-27 06:19:41 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,calc 4800000
 411 2011-03-27 06:19:42 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 4800000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 17 hours, 8 minutes, and 41 seconds
 412 2011-03-27 06:20:14 <[Tycho]> EPiSKiNG, trying to calculate his speed ?
 413 2011-03-27 06:20:17 <EPiSKiNG> yeah
 414 2011-03-27 06:20:26 <[Tycho]> He is mining at ~39 GH/s
 415 2011-03-27 06:20:35 <[Tycho]> And more.
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 419 2011-03-27 06:20:54 <EPiSKiNG> whaaaa?
 420 2011-03-27 06:21:08 <EPiSKiNG> he gets free electricity?
 421 2011-03-27 06:21:13 <[Tycho]> No. Why ?
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 424 2011-03-27 06:22:15 <EPiSKiNG> wouldn't that make a difference in the percentage of money he collects
 425 2011-03-27 06:22:42 <[Tycho]> Energy is cheap.
 426 2011-03-27 06:22:53 <[Tycho]> Unless you are mining with CPU :)
 427 2011-03-27 06:23:26 <[Tycho]> And some of his hashing power comes from custom stream processors which are much more energy-efficient.
 428 2011-03-27 06:23:35 <EPiSKiNG> where do i get those?
 429 2011-03-27 06:23:37 <EPiSKiNG> ;-)
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 431 2011-03-27 06:23:57 <[Tycho]> Any local semiconductor fab.
 432 2011-03-27 06:24:24 <[Tycho]> You just have to design your core, your PCBs and then solder it.
 433 2011-03-27 06:24:43 <[Tycho]> Mininal order would be ~50k$
 434 2011-03-27 06:24:57 <EPiSKiNG> pocket change
 435 2011-03-27 06:25:10 <lfm> this MSI lets you do either 3 cards tripple spaced or 4 cards double spaced http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130274
 436 2011-03-27 06:25:30 <[Tycho]> Designing your own chips is fun ! Even if it's just ASIC.
 437 2011-03-27 06:27:53 <EPiSKiNG> thx lfm!!
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 439 2011-03-27 06:29:46 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,calc 1800000
 440 2011-03-27 06:29:47 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1800000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 1 day, 21 hours, 43 minutes, and 10 seconds
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 442 2011-03-27 06:31:29 <EPiSKiNG> so if i got 4x5970
 443 2011-03-27 06:31:38 <EPiSKiNG> cost would be about $4000
 444 2011-03-27 06:32:08 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,calc 2400000
 445 2011-03-27 06:32:09 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 2400000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 1 day, 10 hours, 17 minutes, and 22 seconds
 446 2011-03-27 06:32:22 <lfm> EPiSKiNG: double spaced 5970 might not cool right unless you use risers or something
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 448 2011-03-27 06:32:39 <EPiSKiNG> that means i'd make about $1000 per month>
 449 2011-03-27 06:33:06 <lfm> ;;bc,gen 2400000
 450 2011-03-27 06:33:07 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 2400000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 34.9960404898 BTC per day and 1.45816835374 BTC per hour.
 451 2011-03-27 06:33:56 <lfm> ya I guess almost, if the difficulty doesnt go up too much
 452 2011-03-27 06:34:40 <lfm> of course 5970 are high priced now and hard to find
 453 2011-03-27 06:34:57 <Validus> google shopping hehe
 454 2011-03-27 06:35:33 <lfm> rick it on used ones?
 455 2011-03-27 06:35:39 <lfm> risk
 456 2011-03-27 06:36:08 <Validus> personal choice i guess, but most users prob oc'd their cards and id definately ask first
 457 2011-03-27 06:36:32 <lfm> wont they lie?
 458 2011-03-27 06:36:34 <Validus> i havent seen how much a 5970 dropped since the release of the 6990 but before that a new one was 600
 459 2011-03-27 06:37:08 <EPiSKiNG> it seems as though difficulty is skyrocketing...?
 460 2011-03-27 06:37:24 <lfm> the new ones were up over $900 here
 461 2011-03-27 06:37:44 <Validus> a 6990 is only 700 in most and some are 750
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 463 2011-03-27 06:38:35 <lfm> yup, 750 here too
 464 2011-03-27 06:38:52 <Validus> i dont know the diff between 700 and the 750 ones. unles its just a name
 465 2011-03-27 06:38:57 <Validus> have to check into that in a little while
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 470 2011-03-27 06:41:06 <EPiSKiNG> what speed are people getting with 6990's?
 471 2011-03-27 06:43:41 <Stellar> ;;gc,calc 40000000
 472 2011-03-27 06:43:43 <gribble> Error: "gc,calc" is not a valid command.
 473 2011-03-27 06:43:48 <Stellar> ;;bc,calc 40000000
 474 2011-03-27 06:43:49 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 40000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 2 hours, 3 minutes, and 26 seconds
 475 2011-03-27 06:43:56 <Stellar> ;;bc,gen 40000000
 476 2011-03-27 06:43:57 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 40000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 583.267341497 BTC per day and 24.3028058957 BTC per hour.
 477 2011-03-27 06:44:08 <Validus> i dont know but it should be similar to a 5970
 478 2011-03-27 06:44:13 <Validus> ill tell you in about a week and a half
 479 2011-03-27 06:44:31 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,gen 1200000
 480 2011-03-27 06:44:32 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1200000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 17.4980202449 BTC per day and 0.729084176871 BTC per hour.
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 482 2011-03-27 06:48:43 <Kiba> I am on a rooooooooooooollll
 483 2011-03-27 06:48:55 <nanotube> what did you win, Kiba :)
 484 2011-03-27 06:49:09 <Kiba> nanotube: bug smashing badassery
 485 2011-03-27 06:49:37 * Kiba is especially happy after a long debugging session
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 487 2011-03-27 06:50:39 <nanotube> cool :)
 488 2011-03-27 06:57:38 <lfm> I wonder what long bugs look like as opposed to short bugs
 489 2011-03-27 06:58:07 <nanotube> lfm: usually more legs.
 490 2011-03-27 06:58:08 <nanotube> :)
 491 2011-03-27 06:58:32 <dbitcoin> ;;bc,gen 300000
 492 2011-03-27 06:58:34 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 300000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 4.37450506123 BTC per day and 0.182271044218 BTC per hour.
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 501 2011-03-27 07:13:52 <joepie91> ;;bc;gen 100000
 502 2011-03-27 07:13:52 <gribble> Error: "bc;gen" is not a valid command.
 503 2011-03-27 07:13:58 <joepie91> ;;bc,gen 100000
 504 2011-03-27 07:14:00 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 100000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 1.45816835374 BTC per day and 0.0607570147393 BTC per hour.
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 513 2011-03-27 08:01:13 <curiositysquared> if you have more than one miner calling the same bitcoind what ensures they aren't hashing the same data?
 514 2011-03-27 08:01:20 <curiositysquared> trying the same nonce's?
 515 2011-03-27 08:01:48 <curiositysquared> it looks like multiple calls to getwork are going to return the same thing
 516 2011-03-27 08:01:52 <curiositysquared> if they happen the same second
 517 2011-03-27 08:02:19 <lfm> bitcoind does that for you, I think thats either the extranonce or it uses different addresses in the reward txn
 518 2011-03-27 08:02:55 <lfm> you could look at the output from bitcoind getwork and see
 519 2011-03-27 08:03:11 <lfm> you could look at the output from "bitcoind getwork" command line and see
 520 2011-03-27 08:03:15 <curiositysquared> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_Calls_list
 521 2011-03-27 08:03:28 <curiositysquared> reading here is wheer I don't see anything that would be different.
 522 2011-03-27 08:03:47 <curiositysquared> next step is connecting to bitcoind and looking at the actual json response.
 523 2011-03-27 08:03:52 <curiositysquared> thought I'd ask first though.
 524 2011-03-27 08:05:33 <lfm> what you should see is a different merklehash
 525 2011-03-27 08:06:29 <lfm> the merkle hash is part of the block data
 526 2011-03-27 08:07:19 <curiositysquared> that would only be different if it were hashing different transactions right? (like if it uses a different address for the reward txn)
 527 2011-03-27 08:07:59 <lfm> a different address or different extranonce in the txn input script
 528 2011-03-27 08:09:41 <lfm> extranonce is in the reward txn input script
 529 2011-03-27 08:09:47 <curiositysquared> right
 530 2011-03-27 08:09:52 <curiositysquared> I did see that.
 531 2011-03-27 08:10:07 <curiositysquared> And my getwork is definitely returning a different midstate with each call.
 532 2011-03-27 08:10:43 <lfm> should also be different block data merkle hash
 533 2011-03-27 08:10:55 <curiositysquared> the python jsonrpc library makes using the json api laghuably cake.
 534 2011-03-27 08:12:19 <lfm> you cant actually examine the reward txn to see how its different
 535 2011-03-27 08:12:56 <lfm> unless you put some trace debug printf in the bitcoind
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 537 2011-03-27 08:19:29 <curiositysquared> bitcoind has a sweet user-agent.
 538 2011-03-27 08:19:39 <curiositysquared> Who knew it was fully mozilla compatible.
 539 2011-03-27 08:19:41 <curiositysquared> "User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1)\r\n"
 540 2011-03-27 08:19:42 <curiositysquared> :)
 541 2011-03-27 08:24:00 <lfm> so what are you trying to build yet another pool system?
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 552 2011-03-27 08:49:56 <genjix> tcatm: what do you need for bitcoincharts?
 553 2011-03-27 08:50:20 <genjix> https://britcoin.co.uk/api/trades.php
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 585 2011-03-27 10:19:48 <da2ce7> ;;seen tcatm
 586 2011-03-27 10:19:48 <gribble> tcatm was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 20 hours, 20 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <tcatm> I made bitcoincharts semi-realtime. worst case latency is 20 seconds until a trade appears (without refresh)
 587 2011-03-27 10:34:35 <nevezen> hmmm, my blk0001.dat broke 100 MB..
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 589 2011-03-27 10:35:35 <nevezen> if I delete this, I'd probably have to download all the blocks generated since the version of bitcoin software I used, right,,
 590 2011-03-27 10:38:00 <n00bie> back it up, try it, and find out
 591 2011-03-27 10:38:48 <molecular> nevezen, currently, I think, bitcoin still comes with no initial block db at all. so you'll have to dl the complete cahin
 592 2011-03-27 10:38:50 <molecular> chain*
 593 2011-03-27 10:39:04 <molecular> I might be wrong though
 594 2011-03-27 10:40:56 <nevezen> I thought it did.. the latest block chain in every version of bitcoin
 595 2011-03-27 10:41:16 <nevezen> on windows, it's embedded into the executable..
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 597 2011-03-27 10:43:17 <sipa> the chain is not included in the executable
 598 2011-03-27 10:43:29 <sipa> only some checkpoints
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 602 2011-03-27 10:51:35 <da2ce7> when looking up on a key server, can you download both a keys certifications, and who it has certified?
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 604 2011-03-27 10:53:27 <sipa> you download a (pgp) key, including all the signatures by others put on it
 605 2011-03-27 10:54:01 <da2ce7> but can I find the signtures it has made by the private part of that same key?
 606 2011-03-27 10:54:21 <sipa> i doubt that
 607 2011-03-27 10:54:23 <da2ce7> or would you need to build a specal keysever for that function?
 608 2011-03-27 10:54:53 * da2ce7 is asking at #gnupg
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 622 2011-03-27 11:48:43 <da2ce7> Quick prize! 5BTC to the person who can sort the bitcoin blocks by size of hash on their site. :)  can view the largest hash, and the smallest hash showing the probability that that hash would be at least that small (much smaller than target) / or large(very close to target).
 623 2011-03-27 11:52:59 <xelister> da2ce7: ©_©
 624 2011-03-27 11:58:48 <da2ce7> ;;bc,target
 625 2011-03-27 11:58:48 <gribble> Error: "bc,target" is not a valid command.
 626 2011-03-27 11:59:39 <xelister> what is exact formula to calculated expected hash from difficulty?
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 629 2011-03-27 12:05:49 <gribble> 000000000000F339000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
 630 2011-03-27 12:11:54 <ArtForz> xelister: (0xffff << 208) / difficulty
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 634 2011-03-27 12:24:27 <pierre`> da2ce7: DIY
 635 2011-03-27 12:25:33 <da2ce7> pierre, that is entirely not the point!  It is a 'just-for-fun' project. :)  If it isn't done, it isn't done.
 636 2011-03-27 12:26:21 <da2ce7> you never know, it may be some guy's first bitcoins.
 637 2011-03-27 12:26:47 <da2ce7> well... xelister has bitcons.
 638 2011-03-27 12:26:50 <da2ce7> :P
 639 2011-03-27 12:28:18 <pierre`> if you want a fun project, offer a price for the rewritting of the bootstrap 'protocol' in order to avoid a central irc server
 640 2011-03-27 12:29:37 <lfm> what central irc server?
 641 2011-03-27 12:30:14 <pierre`> irc.lfnet.org #bitcoin
 642 2011-03-27 12:30:21 <lfm> thats a pool
 643 2011-03-27 12:30:32 <pierre`> 4 servers ...
 644 2011-03-27 12:31:01 <pierre`> don't seem very redundant in comparison of DHT tables of p2p software
 645 2011-03-27 12:31:06 <lfm> what fun it was too
 646 2011-03-27 12:32:37 <ArtForz> *headdesk*
 647 2011-03-27 12:32:49 <lfm> pierre`: well there is also the already in place fallbacks of the hard coded list of nodes in the software and then there is the fallback of the user adding -addnode args on the command line
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 651 2011-03-27 12:33:23 <ArtForz> yep
 652 2011-03-27 12:33:48 <ArtForz> not to mention, all adding another layer of dht or whatever does is... now you need to know a peer for *that* layer
 653 2011-03-27 12:34:15 <xelister> pierre`: there is such a thing already
 654 2011-03-27 12:34:21 <ArtForz> yep
 655 2011-03-27 12:34:28 <pierre`> xelister: link ?
 656 2011-03-27 12:34:28 <xelister> pierre`: bitcoin over freenet
 657 2011-03-27 12:34:31 <xelister> is one interesting idea
 658 2011-03-27 12:35:05 <lfm> pierre`: ya for nodes that have already connected at least once there is the addr database that is distributed on the bitcoin net
 659 2011-03-27 12:35:07 <ArtForz> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4313.0
 660 2011-03-27 12:35:19 <ArtForz> another alternate bootstrap mechanism
 661 2011-03-27 12:35:20 <pierre`> lfm and ArtForz : is the current architecture scalable ? imagine if bitcoin start to be very used, how musch user can support the irc networks and the nodes harcoded ?
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 664 2011-03-27 12:35:37 <ArtForz> yes
 665 2011-03-27 12:35:58 <ArtForz> as a peer usually only connects to the bootstrap nodes on first startup
 666 2011-03-27 12:35:59 <lfm> pierre`: it has already scaled a few 10000% so I guess it is scalable
 667 2011-03-27 12:36:21 <pierre`> lfm: so it can support 100k users without problems ?
 668 2011-03-27 12:36:21 <ArtForz> after that it connects to whatever addrs it saw on the p2p network last
 669 2011-03-27 12:36:41 <lfm> pierre`: well it hasnt been tested yet
 670 2011-03-27 12:36:50 <ArtForz> but it *should* work
 671 2011-03-27 12:37:15 <pierre`> a lot of stuff should work in IT but don't :)
 672 2011-03-27 12:37:17 <ArtForz> well, irc may go *boom*, but the bootstrap nodes should be able to handle it just fine
 673 2011-03-27 12:37:36 <lfm> pierre`: we stumbled over the part about getting 100k users together for a test, we're working on it still tho
 674 2011-03-27 12:37:47 <ArtForz> and creating dedicated bootstrap-only nodes to run on VPSes and the like would be pretty simple
 675 2011-03-27 12:39:23 <ArtForz> a half-a-node that keeps a bunch of outgoing conns open so it can keep current on p2p addr messages, whenever someone connects to it, throws a few 100 recently-seen addrs at them and disconnects them
 676 2011-03-27 12:39:25 Avemo is now known as Vladimir
 677 2011-03-27 12:40:02 <Vladimir> there is also dns bootstap patch
 678 2011-03-27 12:40:08 <ArtForz> *headdesk*
 679 2011-03-27 12:40:19 <ArtForz> <ArtForz> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4313.0
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 681 2011-03-27 12:45:53 <luke-jr> pierre`: also, DHT requires a bootstrap list of peers
 682 2011-03-27 12:46:14 <lfm> meanwhile thr irc stuff seems to be working pretty well, you know the old addage, if it aint broke
 683 2011-03-27 12:46:20 <ArtForz> yep, so you replace the bootstrap problem with... another bootstrap problem
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 691 2011-03-27 13:11:41 <mikejw> how do I use json-rpc to get the list of all available addresses?
 692 2011-03-27 13:12:21 <lfm> I dont think that is implemented
 693 2011-03-27 13:12:37 <mikejw> ok..
 694 2011-03-27 13:12:45 <mikejw> so I'm using 'listaccounts'
 695 2011-03-27 13:12:58 <lfm> oh, doesnt it work?
 696 2011-03-27 13:13:27 <mikejw> it does but then I get stuck
 697 2011-03-27 13:14:51 <lfm> then getaddressesbyaccount <account>
 698 2011-03-27 13:15:01 <lfm> ?
 699 2011-03-27 13:16:22 <mikejw> I think my problem is that I'm not successfully escaping the parameters into json
 700 2011-03-27 13:16:57 <lfm> ya if you have blanks in the account names it has to be quted or escaped correctly
 701 2011-03-27 13:17:09 <mikejw> ok :)
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 704 2011-03-27 13:27:55 <ffffffffff> ;;bc,gen 4200000
 705 2011-03-27 13:27:58 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 4200000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 61.2430708572 BTC per day and 2.55179461905 BTC per hour.
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 710 2011-03-27 13:41:00 <genjix> Vladimir, you in the UK?
 711 2011-03-27 13:41:08 <Vladimir> yes
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 713 2011-03-27 13:42:09 <genjix> k
 714 2011-03-27 13:42:18 <Vladimir> why?
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 716 2011-03-27 13:42:39 <genjix> well you were asking about how to change money for pub owners
 717 2011-03-27 13:42:39 <zlyfire> Hey people @bitcoin-dev :3
 718 2011-03-27 13:42:48 <Blitzboom> hey zlyfire
 719 2011-03-27 13:42:51 <genjix> not sure if you've seen http://britcoin.co.uk/
 720 2011-03-27 13:42:54 <genjix> its open now
 721 2011-03-27 13:43:35 <Vladimir> sure, I've seen it, I'll keep in mind and will offer to use it or will offer to exchange privately or both
 722 2011-03-27 13:43:42 <Blitzboom> spread bitcoin in the UK :P
 723 2011-03-27 13:43:59 <genjix> well it's a bit pointless that they accept bitcoins and then you give them the money there and then.
 724 2011-03-27 13:44:09 <genjix> may as well just pay in £
 725 2011-03-27 13:44:10 <Blitzboom> i see too many offers in $
 726 2011-03-27 13:44:49 <Vladimir> you need to start somewhere, maybe some of them will chose to keep BTC just on a freak chance that it worth 10000£ for 1 BTC in 10 years
 727 2011-03-27 13:45:02 <Vladimir> but it is good to have options
 728 2011-03-27 13:46:19 <zlyfire> Bitcoin, new Internet Country, complete with currency =DThats how I see it at least...
 729 2011-03-27 13:46:54 <Blitzboom> more like the internet is bitcoin’s country
 730 2011-03-27 13:47:11 <zlyfire> true, true
 731 2011-03-27 13:48:11 <zlyfire> about 30,000 more blocks for me to load, then I can start to contribute.
 732 2011-03-27 13:48:49 <Vladimir> if only it would be possible to conver bitcoins back into energy that was used to generate it. this would be the perfect currency than, otherwise it is a bit inperfect but still better than anything else
 733 2011-03-27 13:48:58 <Blitzboom> cpu mining will never get you coins, probably
 734 2011-03-27 13:49:08 <Blitzboom> if you don’t know that yet
 735 2011-03-27 13:49:14 <Blitzboom> ;;bc,wiki mining hardware
 736 2011-03-27 13:49:14 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison | Mar 26, 2011 ... Mining hardware comparison. From Bitcoin. Jump to: navigation, search. Below are some statistics about the mining performance of various ...
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 739 2011-03-27 13:50:14 <Blitzboom> Vladimir: you miners should promote bitcoin to investors to make the price shoot up
 740 2011-03-27 13:50:40 <Blitzboom> although it would be pretty risky to invest larger sums
 741 2011-03-27 13:51:14 <Vladimir> my service is indeed targeted to investors and I am in talks with a few
 742 2011-03-27 13:51:57 <zlyfire> As  in, people to invest money in the currency and/or people who would accept bitcoins as a currency and accept transactions with it
 743 2011-03-27 13:52:00 <Vladimir> risks are not that big actually, particularly given potential rewards i.e. risk/reward ratio is quite decent
 744 2011-03-27 13:52:05 <Blitzboom> interesting. it’s a kind of investment i guess, too, as it also relies upon the expectation that bitcoins will be worth more
 745 2011-03-27 13:52:46 <Vladimir> both, some want to just invest, some need steady BTC stream for biz
 746 2011-03-27 13:52:50 <Blitzboom> Vladimir: how would you calculate the possible reward?
 747 2011-03-27 13:53:03 <Blitzboom> i mean … basically, everything is possible
 748 2011-03-27 13:54:07 <Vladimir> they basically go on various projections of economy growth, projections of exchange rate growth etc... there are a few of approaches
 749 2011-03-27 13:54:35 <Blitzboom> heh, i’d like to see something like that
 750 2011-03-27 13:54:51 <Vladimir> it can be a simple binary bet, bitcoin is succesful or not in 5 years, for example
 751 2011-03-27 13:55:13 <Blitzboom> what is "successful"?
 752 2011-03-27 13:55:26 <Blitzboom> paypal-status?
 753 2011-03-27 13:55:30 <Vladimir> lots of people use it
 754 2011-03-27 13:56:50 <forrestv> define lots
 755 2011-03-27 13:56:55 <genjix> i know 3 investors who have funded projects of mine in the past, and they all said no.
 756 2011-03-27 13:57:00 <genjix> too risky.
 757 2011-03-27 13:57:03 <Vladimir> basically to invest they just want risk/reward not much worse than other asset classes, such as bonds, gold, stock, real estate etc... many recognise that bitcoin is a principally new asset class which is not highly correlated to other asset classes
 758 2011-03-27 13:57:32 <genjix> the only thing 1 of them did, is backing that site britcoin because they've seen how successful mtgox is.
 759 2011-03-27 13:57:50 <genjix> ergo proof by example, not intent.
 760 2011-03-27 13:58:08 <forrestv> how does one determine whether 'pay per share' or 'proportional' is a better mode for pooled mining?
 761 2011-03-27 13:58:20 <Vladimir> this makes it attractive for diversified portfolios, it is a big problem lately that due to all central bank sheganigans virtually all other assest classes are too strongly correlated, there is no place to invest
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 763 2011-03-27 14:01:42 <Blitzboom> >proof by example, not intent.
 764 2011-03-27 14:01:51 <Blitzboom> unfortunately, that’s how most people think, genjix
 765 2011-03-27 14:02:19 <genjix> knuckle down then :) lots of work to do.
 766 2011-03-27 14:02:42 <Vladimir> in case of setting up mining infrastructure, it is not that risky as simply buying BTC on open market, there are other uses for hardware, it has some resale value, it is possible to sell some % of BTC to reduce risks etc...
 767 2011-03-27 14:03:51 <genjix> next year we will setup a london exchange for cash :p
 768 2011-03-27 14:05:31 <Vladimir> nice, add to that cache exchange in Warsaw, Sydney, Auckland etc... and Western Union et al will wonder how come nobody uses their services anymore
 769 2011-03-27 14:06:00 <Vladimir> cash exchange
 770 2011-03-27 14:08:59 <Blitzboom> bitcoin makes me want to play deus ex
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 773 2011-03-27 14:10:50 <Validus> new deus ex is abotu to come out
 774 2011-03-27 14:11:01 <Blitzboom> meh, it’ll suck
 775 2011-03-27 14:11:10 <Validus> about* - i doubt it. the video looked good
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 777 2011-03-27 14:11:32 <Blitzboom> nice action game maybe, but i suspect the RPG elements to be reduced
 778 2011-03-27 14:11:34 <Validus> http://www.maximumpc.com/article/new_deus_ex_human_revolution_video_showcases_wicked_gameplay
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 780 2011-03-27 14:11:45 <Validus> it looks about like the 1st one just a lil diff
 781 2011-03-27 14:11:48 <Blitzboom> thx
 782 2011-03-27 14:12:12 <Validus> should prob move the rest to discussion or somewhere else hehe
 783 2011-03-27 14:12:20 <Blitzboom> #bitcoin-offtopic
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 801 2011-03-27 14:46:21 <Vladimir> freaking census forms dedline... I wish they've just  left us alone... at least all my family now officially has Jedi as religion lol
 802 2011-03-27 14:47:58 <Vladimir> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_census_phenomenon
 803 2011-03-27 14:49:30 <BurtyB> :(
 804 2011-03-27 14:49:33 <ArtForz> lol
 805 2011-03-27 14:49:47 * BurtyB prefers to put none down in the hope they waste less money on religion
 806 2011-03-27 14:51:25 <Vladimir> "In the 2001 census, 21,000 Canadians put down their religion as Jedi Knight. This fact has been referenced by the prime minister's office as a rationale for making the 40-page long census form voluntary." hopefully they will see cense and make the next census voluntary
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 809 2011-03-27 14:56:21 <ArtForz> still trying to come up with a elegant and clean way of sorting out the mapTransactions mess
 810 2011-03-27 14:59:23 <TinkerToyTech> hello ArtForz, my understanding is that you havea considerable mining op, how uch have you spent on hardware alone do you think if you don't mnd me asking?
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 813 2011-03-27 15:00:17 <TinkerToyTech> what's your current hshrate?  are you in a pool?
 814 2011-03-27 15:00:43 <ArtForz> for my GPUs, about $30k
 815 2011-03-27 15:01:11 <ArtForz> for my ASICs, about $80k
 816 2011-03-27 15:01:33 <TinkerToyTech> that's going to take an aweful lot to payback, isn't it?
 817 2011-03-27 15:01:46 <ArtForz> not in a pooly, my current hashrate is ~40Ghps, ~60 when the 2nd batch of already paid for ASICs arrives
 818 2011-03-27 15:02:19 <TinkerToyTech> wow, so you're hitting pretty often then
 819 2011-03-27 15:02:29 <sipa> ;;bc,calc 40000000
 820 2011-03-27 15:02:31 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 40000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 2 hours, 3 minutes, and 26 seconds
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 822 2011-03-27 15:02:45 <ArtForz> well, so far sold btc for about $66k
 823 2011-03-27 15:04:04 <TinkerToyTech> have you ever done a photo collection of your mining operation?   I would be interested in seeing it
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 827 2011-03-27 15:04:29 <ArtForz> theres a few old pictures of my quad 5970 boxes around
 828 2011-03-27 15:04:46 <hogofwar> What is an ip to a pool?
 829 2011-03-27 15:05:05 <sipa> ?
 830 2011-03-27 15:05:29 <sipa> oh, but you'll need to register at one as well too
 831 2011-03-27 15:06:02 <sipa> see http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?board=14.0
 832 2011-03-27 15:06:24 <hogofwar> also, where is the file where i set my RPC stuff?
 833 2011-03-27 15:06:44 <hogofwar> nevermind
 834 2011-03-27 15:06:45 <sipa> what OS?
 835 2011-03-27 15:07:00 <sipa> if you're pool mining, you don't need a bitcoin daemon
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 837 2011-03-27 15:09:06 <hogofwar> how do i get my wallet id?
 838 2011-03-27 15:09:59 <slush> hogofwar: mybitcoin.cz
 839 2011-03-27 15:10:03 <slush> mybitcoin.com
 840 2011-03-27 15:10:04 <slush>  :))
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 842 2011-03-27 15:10:56 <hogofwar> oh, an address?
 843 2011-03-27 15:11:43 <slush> hogofwar: if you need wallet and don't want to install/run bitcoin app, you can use service like mybitcoin.com
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 845 2011-03-27 15:12:14 <Blitzboom> that is, if you trust mybitcoin.com
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 848 2011-03-27 15:13:24 <hogofwar> i have the bitcoin app
 849 2011-03-27 15:13:34 <hogofwar> Is the wallet id just an address?
 850 2011-03-27 15:13:44 <slush> hogofwar: then you see your wallet address directly on main window
 851 2011-03-27 15:13:47 <slush> yes
 852 2011-03-27 15:13:53 <Blitzboom> i recommend you listen to this: http://omegataupodcast.net/2011/03/59-bitcoin-a-digital-decentralized-currency/
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 854 2011-03-27 15:13:56 <Blitzboom> to understand bitcoin
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 856 2011-03-27 15:17:10 <hogofwar> Hell i do understand it, i was just confused why they were calling it wallet id
 857 2011-03-27 15:18:11 <Blitzboom> who called it a wallet id?
 858 2011-03-27 15:18:21 <hogofwar> http://bitcoinpool.com/newuser.php
 859 2011-03-27 15:18:33 <hogofwar> oh yeah, what is the best pool?
 860 2011-03-27 15:18:52 <Blitzboom> hmm, i’m not sure. i use http://mining.bitcoin.cz/
 861 2011-03-27 15:19:03 <Blitzboom> but http://deepbit.net/ should be fine, too
 862 2011-03-27 15:22:26 <TinkerToyTech> how much of a 1 or 6 G of ram on a card does mining take?
 863 2011-03-27 15:22:41 <sipa> almost nothing
 864 2011-03-27 15:22:55 <TinkerToyTech> and does a 2G card mire fbbettere than a 2g card?
 865 2011-03-27 15:23:11 <TinkerToyTech> 1G vs 2g is hte question
 866 2011-03-27 15:24:15 <ArtForz> doesnt matter
 867 2011-03-27 15:24:55 <ArtForz> we need maybe a few 100kB of GPU ram
 868 2011-03-27 15:25:15 <ArtForz> kernel pretty much runs without touching memory at all
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 884 2011-03-27 15:59:25 <gruez> what's the max number of connections i can have?
 885 2011-03-27 15:59:45 <gruez> highest for me seems to be around 60
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 889 2011-03-27 16:02:28 <forrestv> [Tycho], i was thinking that you should change mentions of 'wallet' to 'address'
 890 2011-03-27 16:02:58 <ArtForz> 125
 891 2011-03-27 16:03:26 <forrestv> 'Your wallet for receiving rewards' could be confusing
 892 2011-03-27 16:03:28 <ArtForz> default, can be changed with -maxconnections
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 903 2011-03-27 16:35:05 <Blitzboom> i guess we need more moderation: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5006.msg73502#msg73502
 904 2011-03-27 16:35:52 <Validus> 4chan kiddies. thats what that reminds me of
 905 2011-03-27 16:35:58 <Validus> im glad im too old to understand that site
 906 2011-03-27 16:35:58 <Validus> heh
 907 2011-03-27 16:36:06 <Blitzboom> yep, encyclopedia dramatica
 908 2011-03-27 16:36:53 <Validus> should have a way to flag posts by certain users with so many posts under their belt to prevent abuse but it moves it to a special mod section to be reviewed of restored or deleted
 909 2011-03-27 16:36:59 <Validus> that could stop some spam from getting on like that
 910 2011-03-27 16:37:09 <genjix> that's not spam
 911 2011-03-27 16:37:40 <cosurgi> how many ghashes on 6990 ?
 912 2011-03-27 16:38:28 <cosurgi> anybody tried this?
 913 2011-03-27 16:38:36 <Vladimir> about the same as 5970 but more difficult to cool it
 914 2011-03-27 16:38:51 <cosurgi> weird.
 915 2011-03-27 16:38:51 <Vladimir> but I did not try it, purely theoretical
 916 2011-03-27 16:39:54 <xelister> hehe, puny windows users shttp://i.imgur.com/MtKER.png
 917 2011-03-27 16:40:19 <Aciid> cosurgi: gigahashes haha
 918 2011-03-27 16:40:31 <xelister> cosurgi: half
 919 2011-03-27 16:41:18 <subpar> 2x6990 to get to ghash ?
 920 2011-03-27 16:41:29 <xelister> something around that, not sure
 921 2011-03-27 16:41:51 <subpar> 3x6950 would get me there
 922 2011-03-27 16:41:57 <xelister> 6990's may have a lot of software driver problems
 923 2011-03-27 16:41:58 <Validus> genjix: how is that not spam? click his username and view their posts
 924 2011-03-27 16:42:01 <Validus> its nothing but spam
 925 2011-03-27 16:42:18 <Validus> with all your money belong to us at the end
 926 2011-03-27 16:42:22 <genjix> ? they're made 3 posts
 927 2011-03-27 16:44:02 <Validus> explain how its not spam
 928 2011-03-27 16:44:20 <Validus> all your money belong to us and nothing but obscene gay pics and baseballs coming out of assholes?
 929 2011-03-27 16:44:22 <Validus> and thats not spam?
 930 2011-03-27 16:45:02 <genjix> no it's not.
 931 2011-03-27 16:45:12 <genjix> spam isn't messages you don't like.
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 933 2011-03-27 16:45:18 <genjix> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_%28electronic%29
 934 2011-03-27 16:45:26 <Validus> whatever then im not going to argue a techincal term
 935 2011-03-27 16:45:38 <Validus> either way it dont belong there
 936 2011-03-27 16:46:12 <genjix> "oh no i am offended. please someone shut up this person." <-- you
 937 2011-03-27 16:46:29 <Validus> and no im not actually offended
 938 2011-03-27 16:46:32 <Validus> its the fucking point
 939 2011-03-27 16:46:56 <genjix> yes you are.
 940 2011-03-27 16:47:19 <Validus> whatever dude
 941 2011-03-27 16:47:51 <Validus> make sure you post a forum topic when it gets deleted
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 943 2011-03-27 16:48:30 <jgarzik> Validus: yes, it's spam that craps up the forums
 944 2011-03-27 16:48:45 <Validus> no no apparently im just whining
 945 2011-03-27 16:48:54 <Blitzboom> genjix: he posted a wall of pics
 946 2011-03-27 16:48:55 <Validus> dont see what that shit has anything to do with investments and bitcoin
 947 2011-03-27 16:48:57 <Blitzboom> edited the post
 948 2011-03-27 16:49:12 <Validus> if it was a porn topic then ok or a pic post. but not on random
 949 2011-03-27 16:49:26 <Validus> but a sfw mainly currency site? no.
 950 2011-03-27 16:50:28 <Blitzboom> >To be honest, I am current at home, sitting in my chair working with my kids running around, my younger son saw this. I am pissed, because I did not expect this. Now, I must explain to him why there are Idiots in the world.
 951 2011-03-27 16:50:38 <Blitzboom> more moderation!
 952 2011-03-27 16:50:49 <Validus> theres a place for it. that just aint it
 953 2011-03-27 16:50:59 <Validus> i have no problem with porn. nudity. cussing. or anything else
 954 2011-03-27 16:51:06 <Validus> if you wanna look at fucked up pics then go for it
 955 2011-03-27 16:51:09 <Blitzboom> me neither
 956 2011-03-27 16:51:14 <Validus> but do it in the proper place
 957 2011-03-27 16:51:25 <cosurgi> Aciid: ?
 958 2011-03-27 16:51:28 <Blitzboom> yeah, do it on 4chan
 959 2011-03-27 16:51:50 <genjix> hmm so do you believe in freedom of speech?
 960 2011-03-27 16:51:58 <Validus> read above
 961 2011-03-27 16:52:04 <genjix> like could people do this outside?
 962 2011-03-27 16:52:18 <genjix> freedom of speech = your speech only
 963 2011-03-27 16:52:25 <genjix> lol hypocrite
 964 2011-03-27 16:52:25 <Validus> no i said theres a place for it
 965 2011-03-27 16:52:29 <Validus> but your being a douchebag
 966 2011-03-27 16:52:39 <Validus> i hope to god your not a mod
 967 2011-03-27 16:52:43 <Validus> if you are you dont need to be
 968 2011-03-27 16:52:47 <cosurgi> wikipedia says that 5970 has 4640 GFLOPS and 6990 has 5099 GFLOPS
 969 2011-03-27 16:53:08 <LtBrenton> genjix, dude you're missing the point, none of us have an inherent problem with the content
 970 2011-03-27 16:53:25 <LtBrenton> it's just that man, I don't want to be hit in the face with it when I'm not looking for it :x
 971 2011-03-27 16:53:29 <genjix> bitcoin doesn't need any mods
 972 2011-03-27 16:53:58 <Blitzboom> for shit like this – yes, it does
 973 2011-03-27 16:54:08 <LtBrenton> genjix, agreed - but it needs janitors
 974 2011-03-27 16:54:42 <LtBrenton> hell i'd hate to see the day when there's a big list of rules on what to post and what not to post
 975 2011-03-27 16:55:00 <genjix> no rules
 976 2011-03-27 16:55:03 <LtBrenton> but at the same time if someone just dumps a ton of irrelevant fucked up images on the forums, I want them gone
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 978 2011-03-27 16:55:12 <Validus> ya itll turn into worst than 4chan that way
 979 2011-03-27 16:55:16 <LtBrenton> Freedom of speech definitely
 980 2011-03-27 16:55:30 <Blitzboom> this is no speech, he has no message
 981 2011-03-27 16:55:37 <LtBrenton> To draw an analogy
 982 2011-03-27 16:55:40 <LtBrenton> I have freedom of speech
 983 2011-03-27 16:55:44 <Validus> one blitzboom: he said all your money belong to us
 984 2011-03-27 16:55:47 <Validus> at the end
 985 2011-03-27 16:55:48 <LtBrenton> I don't have freedom to drop my pants and take a shit in the street
 986 2011-03-27 16:55:57 <Validus> sure you do but you'll probably goto jail
 987 2011-03-27 16:56:02 <Blitzboom> hehe
 988 2011-03-27 16:56:02 <Validus> they get kinda mad at that
 989 2011-03-27 16:56:05 <LtBrenton> Well yes, but you get my point XD
 990 2011-03-27 16:56:22 <Validus> or if you go sleep walking on the 3rd floor of the hotel cuss out the manager and piss on his wall
 991 2011-03-27 16:56:29 * Validus whistles innocently
 992 2011-03-27 16:56:49 <genjix> i think he did have a message if you read carefully
 993 2011-03-27 16:56:53 <LtBrenton> Validus, nah the best one is to get a room on the 40th floor of a highrise hotel block without balconies, facing onto a busy street
 994 2011-03-27 16:56:54 <genjix> you're just all enraged
 995 2011-03-27 16:56:57 <LtBrenton> ...and crap out the window
 996 2011-03-27 16:57:02 <Validus> im not enraged at all
 997 2011-03-27 16:57:11 <Validus> but your trying to troll and your pretty damn lame at it anyways
 998 2011-03-27 16:57:16 <genjix> and your immediate emotional response is:
 999 2011-03-27 16:57:17 <Validus> i care less what your ass thinks
1000 2011-03-27 16:57:20 <genjix> CENSOR CENSOR CENSOR
1001 2011-03-27 16:57:26 <Validus> no not censor
1002 2011-03-27 16:57:26 <genjix> I DO NOT LIKE
1003 2011-03-27 16:57:40 <LtBrenton> genjix, where's the forum hosted?
1004 2011-03-27 16:57:46 <Validus> whatever dude take your bullshit fascit shit back in the closet
1005 2011-03-27 16:57:47 <genjix> idk
1006 2011-03-27 16:57:48 <LtBrenton> what jurisdiction?
1007 2011-03-27 16:58:03 <genjix> you're mad
1008 2011-03-27 16:58:07 <LtBrenton> because I imagine if somebody dumped a pile of CP on the board then people would be incredibly quick to act
1009 2011-03-27 16:58:09 <genjix> that's why you're insulting me.
1010 2011-03-27 16:58:17 <Validus> nah im insulting you cuz your a douche
1011 2011-03-27 16:58:22 <xelister> lets add ignore button to smf
1012 2011-03-27 16:58:30 <LtBrenton> Validus, you're damaging your point brah
1013 2011-03-27 16:58:30 <Validus> and i dont like your gay ass attempt at a luke-jr troll
1014 2011-03-27 16:58:33 <genjix> you don't like free speech
1015 2011-03-27 16:58:37 <Validus> no i dont like you.
1016 2011-03-27 16:58:43 <Validus> nothing to do with free speech
1017 2011-03-27 16:58:51 <LtBrenton> oh boy
1018 2011-03-27 16:58:57 <xelister> lets add ignore button IRC
1019 2011-03-27 16:58:58 <genjix> i am loving your tears
1020 2011-03-27 16:59:01 <xelister> no wait, IRC already got that
1021 2011-03-27 16:59:06 * LtBrenton walks off and lets the idiot with the good point undermine himself
1022 2011-03-27 16:59:11 <xelister> boys want to show you how to use it
1023 2011-03-27 16:59:18 <Validus> itll still be dealth with regardless
1024 2011-03-27 16:59:23 <LtBrenton> Heh... 'mine'...
1025 2011-03-27 16:59:24 <Validus> not letting some douchebag try to say im wrong
1026 2011-03-27 16:59:34 <xelister> Validus: you are wrong
1027 2011-03-27 16:59:36 <Validus> when i actualy have a point. but no
1028 2011-03-27 16:59:38 <Validus> blah blah blah
1029 2011-03-27 16:59:46 <xelister> xelister: xelister you are wrong \o/
1030 2011-03-27 16:59:57 <Validus> high five
1031 2011-03-27 17:00:28 <LtBrenton> no no
1032 2011-03-27 17:00:39 <LtBrenton> the bitcoin community high five
1033 2011-03-27 17:00:45 <LtBrenton> means to send the recpient 5.00 BTC
1034 2011-03-27 17:00:49 <LtBrenton> recipient*
1035 2011-03-27 17:01:25 <LtBrenton> send all high fives in agreement with this to 15BNB8fFnYGBMRuecVEcK7BXua8RajkMWE :P
1036 2011-03-27 17:01:48 <genjix> sent 10 btc
1037 2011-03-27 17:02:06 <genjix> Validus: i raped your sister.
1038 2011-03-27 17:02:14 <LtBrenton> genjix, if you're serious it didn't show :P
1039 2011-03-27 17:02:16 <Validus> that was my brothert crossdressing
1040 2011-03-27 17:02:19 <Validus> hes a transvestite
1041 2011-03-27 17:02:23 <Validus> brother*
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1043 2011-03-27 17:02:29 <Validus> 'enjoy
1044 2011-03-27 17:02:31 <LtBrenton> tx id? :P
1045 2011-03-27 17:02:33 <xelister> lol Validus
1046 2011-03-27 17:02:45 <xelister> *me gusta* ?
1047 2011-03-27 17:02:53 <Validus> que
1048 2011-03-27 17:02:57 <Validus> heh
1049 2011-03-27 17:02:57 <genjix> yeah he screamed like a bitch
1050 2011-03-27 17:03:15 <LtBrenton> joke's on you genjix, while you were busy with that i was doing your mom
1051 2011-03-27 17:03:50 <genjix> nice
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1056 2011-03-27 17:14:02 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,stats
1057 2011-03-27 17:14:04 <gribble> Current Blocks: 115313 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 1614 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 10 hours, 37 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 74277.98692539
1058 2011-03-27 17:14:17 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,calc 115000
1059 2011-03-27 17:14:18 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 115000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 4 weeks, 1 day, 19 hours, 36 minutes, and 32 seconds
1060 2011-03-27 17:19:44 <xelister> when I ssh into a box with radeon, how to start miner there?
1061 2011-03-27 17:19:55 <xelister> no user is logged into X session there yet
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1063 2011-03-27 17:27:49 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|;;bc,gen 10000
1064 2011-03-27 17:27:51 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 10000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 0.145816835374 BTC per day and 0.00607570147393 BTC per hour.
1065 2011-03-27 17:27:58 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|;;bc,calc 10000
1066 2011-03-27 17:27:59 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 10000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 48 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 30 minutes, and 8 seconds
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1076 2011-03-27 17:39:15 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|I have a question... What if someone get/manage a cluster about twice as fast as the rest of the network, start generating chains of blocks and release them in batch... wouldn't he get monopoly over block generation, because the network will always pick the longest chain?
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1079 2011-03-27 17:39:44 <forrestv> would it be any more secure to combine two different hash methods by concatenating half of the result of each?
1080 2011-03-27 17:40:03 <[Tycho]> dermoth|home, did you read the wiki ?
1081 2011-03-27 17:40:14 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|[Tycho], mayne not in full...
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1083 2011-03-27 17:40:17 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|maybe no
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1090 2011-03-27 17:43:54 <jasonphd> when starting bitcoin in -server mode, how do you alter the difficulty level of the units being worked on by client connections?
1091 2011-03-27 17:44:31 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|[Tycho], where on the wiki would than question be answered?
1092 2011-03-27 17:44:42 <ArtForz> theoretical attacks?
1093 2011-03-27 17:44:53 <luke-jr> jasonphd: you don't.
1094 2011-03-27 17:45:46 <jasonphd> luke-jr: how are all of the pooled mines doing it?
1095 2011-03-27 17:46:07 <ArtForz> mostly... custom getwork proxies
1096 2011-03-27 17:46:28 <jasonphd> ArtForz: so when calling getwork, there is a param for difficulty?
1097 2011-03-27 17:46:34 <ArtForz> no
1098 2011-03-27 17:46:34 <molecular> is someone exploiting the faucet somehow? or what are the 0.01 transactions every 8 or so seconds?
1099 2011-03-27 17:46:43 <ArtForz> tx spam
1100 2011-03-27 17:46:47 <ArtForz> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Weaknesses
1101 2011-03-27 17:46:52 <molecular> pretty slow this time
1102 2011-03-27 17:46:53 <jgarzik> jasonphd: no; target difficulty is returned
1103 2011-03-27 17:46:59 <luke-jr> jasonphd: you're not talking to a bitcoind directly
1104 2011-03-27 17:47:03 <luke-jr> you're talking to a smart proxy
1105 2011-03-27 17:47:55 <jgarzik> molecular: limitfreerelay slows down tx spam
1106 2011-03-27 17:48:15 <molecular> nice ;)
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1108 2011-03-27 17:49:43 <[Tycho]> Nice line :) http://www.bitcoinmonitor.com/
1109 2011-03-27 17:50:09 <Blitzboom> haha
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1111 2011-03-27 17:50:55 <xelister> are deafult bitcoind's protected enough against typical attacks
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1113 2011-03-27 17:50:58 <xelister> like tx spam?
1114 2011-03-27 17:51:14 <xelister> I can't mine shit in long time now (x2.5 longer then average for my card)
1115 2011-03-27 17:51:19 <xelister> Im mining solo
1116 2011-03-27 17:53:39 <Vladimir> have you seen those 3-5 hour blocks, on slush's pool ~150 Ghps? sooner or later you are bound to have unlucky streaks too
1117 2011-03-27 17:54:10 <jasonphd> luke-jr: is it really just a matter of altering the "target" that gets returned to the client? do the midstate, data, and hash1 stay the same as returned directly from bitcoind?
1118 2011-03-27 17:54:30 <ArtForz> pretty much, yea
1119 2011-03-27 17:55:04 <luke-jr> xelister: IIRC there's a minor problem, but nothing significant
1120 2011-03-27 17:55:10 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|[Tycho], so that attack would be possible... the wiki discuss other attack vectors, but assuming you have over 50% processing power  you could get entire monopoly over block generation
1121 2011-03-27 17:55:30 <luke-jr> jasonphd: what ArtForz said
1122 2011-03-27 17:55:35 <Ad0> utah legalized gold
1123 2011-03-27 17:55:39 <jasonphd> thanks
1124 2011-03-27 17:55:42 <luke-jr> jasonphd: but note that you can't just change target
1125 2011-03-27 17:55:44 <Ad0> I guess you knew :)
1126 2011-03-27 17:55:48 <xelister> Ad0: really??? finally!!!
1127 2011-03-27 17:55:53 * xelister smokes 1 pounf gold
1128 2011-03-27 17:55:57 <xelister> no wait... gold... oh.  :|
1129 2011-03-27 17:55:59 <luke-jr> jasonphd: if you start finding blocks with the wrong target, the network will reject them
1130 2011-03-27 17:56:00 <Ad0> only government issued coins tho
1131 2011-03-27 17:56:15 <luke-jr> Ad0: what?
1132 2011-03-27 17:56:17 <Ad0> you cant go into a store with krügerrand
1133 2011-03-27 17:56:24 <luke-jr> Ad0: when were they illegal?
1134 2011-03-27 17:56:27 <OneFixt> jgarzik: is limitfreerelay available in 3.20.2?
1135 2011-03-27 17:56:36 <Ad0> luke-jr: gold in general?
1136 2011-03-27 17:56:39 <luke-jr> OneFixt: there isn't even 1.0 yet, let alone 3.20
1137 2011-03-27 17:56:46 <OneFixt> 0.
1138 2011-03-27 17:56:48 <Ad0> it is de facto illegal as tender when it's taxed
1139 2011-03-27 17:57:40 <Ad0> and I gues you couldnt book keep gold
1140 2011-03-27 17:57:57 <tippenein> *starts LEGAL gold grow operation* in Utah
1141 2011-03-27 17:58:19 <Ad0> hehe
1142 2011-03-27 17:58:36 <Ad0> utah also recently got the 1911 as a symbol :D
1143 2011-03-27 17:58:54 <Ad0> lovely gun
1144 2011-03-27 17:59:14 <luke-jr> I need a gun
1145 2011-03-27 17:59:22 <tippenein> wow, when was Utah notable for anything? ..
1146 2011-03-27 17:59:38 <tippenein> this is unprecedented
1147 2011-03-27 17:59:40 <Ad0> I think john moses browning came from utah
1148 2011-03-27 17:59:51 <Ad0> he who is behind most modern gun techs
1149 2011-03-27 18:00:03 <luke-jr> tippenein: Utah's been notable for Mormonism and polygamy for a while
1150 2011-03-27 18:00:08 <luke-jr> and marrying between cousins IIRC
1151 2011-03-27 18:00:08 <Ad0> lol
1152 2011-03-27 18:00:32 <tippenein> i thought the latter was just applied to all southern states
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1156 2011-03-27 18:02:51 <jasonphd> luke-jr: so do the proxies/pool servers send exactly what is returned from bitcoind to the clients except for an altered target, then submit all requests for proof of work verifications from clients directly to bitcoind and hope for a success?
1157 2011-03-27 18:03:14 <ArtForz> naive ones, yes
1158 2011-03-27 18:03:40 <ArtForz> better ones check submitted results themselves and compare against cached real target
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1161 2011-03-27 18:05:46 <bk128> ArtForz: what would be a good motherboard for a new amd phenom desktop?  or what's the difference between all the nforce chipsets?
1162 2011-03-27 18:06:31 <luke-jr> bk128: nvidia = crap, including motherboard chipsets
1163 2011-03-27 18:06:40 <luke-jr> bk128: why not get SB?
1164 2011-03-27 18:06:52 <JFK911> did they fix the sandy bridge chipset
1165 2011-03-27 18:07:00 <JFK911> VT-d was supposed to work too
1166 2011-03-27 18:07:01 <ArtForz> yea
1167 2011-03-27 18:07:04 <JFK911> where is that
1168 2011-03-27 18:07:14 <luke-jr> JFK911: they refuse to fix that
1169 2011-03-27 18:07:18 <bk128> wanted to go amd since it's cheaper.  I was looking at these
1170 2011-03-27 18:07:19 <JFK911> rude
1171 2011-03-27 18:07:19 <luke-jr> instead, they "fix" the ads
1172 2011-03-27 18:07:20 <bk128> wanted to go amd since it's cheaper.  I was looking at these
1173 2011-03-27 18:07:21 <bk128> wanted to go amd since it's cheaper.  I was looking at these
1174 2011-03-27 18:07:22 <bk128> wanted to go amd since it's cheaper.  I was looking at these
1175 2011-03-27 18:07:22 <bk128> wanted to go amd since it's cheaper.  I was looking at these
1176 2011-03-27 18:07:36 <luke-jr> bk128: not sure AMD is cheaper compared to SB
1177 2011-03-27 18:07:38 <ArtForz> is there an echo in here?
1178 2011-03-27 18:07:43 <ArtForz> yes, it is
1179 2011-03-27 18:07:56 <bk128> Did I just send a message twice?
1180 2011-03-27 18:07:57 <luke-jr> ArtForz: for the same performance I mean
1181 2011-03-27 18:08:01 <luke-jr> bk128: 5 times
1182 2011-03-27 18:08:10 <bk128> wtf. it didnt show that I sent it at all
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1184 2011-03-27 18:08:17 <luke-jr> XD
1185 2011-03-27 18:08:24 <luke-jr> AMD's best is 11 MH/s ;)
1186 2011-03-27 18:08:27 <bk128> sorry for flooding
1187 2011-03-27 18:08:30 <luke-jr> best Phenom*
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1189 2011-03-27 18:08:51 <luke-jr> my Core i5 (low end) has 14 MH/s, even without a optimized miner
1190 2011-03-27 18:09:00 <ArtForz> luke-jr: on what planet?
1191 2011-03-27 18:09:13 <luke-jr> ArtForz: SSE2_x86-64 algo
1192 2011-03-27 18:09:26 <ArtForz> I got 16Mh/s on a PhenomII without even trying using plain ole -4way
1193 2011-03-27 18:09:41 <luke-jr> ArtForz: fix the wiki
1194 2011-03-27 18:09:46 <luke-jr> it has AMD sorted wrong :P
1195 2011-03-27 18:09:52 <luke-jr> anyhow, that's a 6-core
1196 2011-03-27 18:09:55 <ArtForz> ... so?
1197 2011-03-27 18:09:59 <luke-jr> I'm comparing quad to quad :P
1198 2011-03-27 18:10:09 <ArtForz> a 6 core that costs less than a i7-2600k ...
1199 2011-03-27 18:10:23 <Ad0> i7 gets 8 cores
1200 2011-03-27 18:10:24 <Ad0> with HT
1201 2011-03-27 18:10:28 <ArtForz> and thats ignoring AM3 boards are dirt cheap compared to s1155
1202 2011-03-27 18:10:31 <luke-jr> i7-2600 would beat that 6-core by far
1203 2011-03-27 18:10:41 <luke-jr> Ad0: HT is not cores
1204 2011-03-27 18:10:43 <ArtForz> not for what I'm doing
1205 2011-03-27 18:10:44 <Ad0> I know
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1207 2011-03-27 18:10:58 <luke-jr> ArtForz: fair enough
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1209 2011-03-27 18:11:21 <Ad0> do you use both CPU and gfx for churning?
1210 2011-03-27 18:11:29 <luke-jr> Ad0: mainly just GPU
1211 2011-03-27 18:11:32 <luke-jr> CPU can't keep up
1212 2011-03-27 18:11:37 <ArtForz> just gpu
1213 2011-03-27 18:11:39 <Ad0> guess not
1214 2011-03-27 18:11:43 <Ad0> so why not an atom then :)
1215 2011-03-27 18:11:46 <bk128> so is the 880g a decent desktop chipset?
1216 2011-03-27 18:11:52 <ArtForz> but yeah, for normal desktop use SB rocks
1217 2011-03-27 18:11:54 <luke-jr> Ad0: does Atom support PCI-e?
1218 2011-03-27 18:11:59 <Ad0> no idea
1219 2011-03-27 18:12:11 <ArtForz> that makes no sense
1220 2011-03-27 18:12:22 <luke-jr> bk128: nvidia != decent
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1222 2011-03-27 18:12:25 <Ad0> might not but a cheap AMD would be OK then if you have a standalone machine just for number crunching
1223 2011-03-27 18:12:31 <ArtForz> depends on what northbridge is used
1224 2011-03-27 18:12:44 <bk128> ArtForz: so is sb significantly faster/better than amd?
1225 2011-03-27 18:12:55 <ArtForz> depends, for normal desktop stuff... yeah
1226 2011-03-27 18:13:20 <bk128> so amd doesnt even come close?
1227 2011-03-27 18:13:24 <ArtForz> a 2500K is about on par with a 1100T for parallel stuff
1228 2011-03-27 18:13:25 <luke-jr> for mining too, if you go that route :p
1229 2011-03-27 18:13:27 <bk128> I thought they were comparable
1230 2011-03-27 18:13:35 <ArtForz> single-threaded like 30% faster
1231 2011-03-27 18:13:42 <luke-jr> bk128: SB basically blew all past Intel/AMD away
1232 2011-03-27 18:13:49 <bk128> this isn't going to be for mining.  just for a pc
1233 2011-03-27 18:14:01 <bk128> oh, Diablo was telling me something different :p
1234 2011-03-27 18:14:26 <luke-jr> yeah, I think I get 4 MH/s if I use a single thread vs 3.5 each if I use 4
1235 2011-03-27 18:14:46 <ArtForz> I have a simple rule for my workstation and server boxes, no ECC = fail.
1236 2011-03-27 18:14:53 <bk128> so what's a decent mobo for a sb system?  anyone have recommendations?  looking for a motherboard under 150 and a cpu 200 or less
1237 2011-03-27 18:15:02 <ArtForz> so intel desktop crap is out already
1238 2011-03-27 18:15:04 <jrabbit> ArtForz: really?
1239 2011-03-27 18:15:04 <luke-jr> bk128: I'm still looking
1240 2011-03-27 18:15:11 <bk128> luke-jr: thanks :)
1241 2011-03-27 18:15:11 <ArtForz> yea
1242 2011-03-27 18:15:16 <bk128> why ecc on desktops?
1243 2011-03-27 18:15:19 <luke-jr> bk128: all the ones on the market have broken VT-d
1244 2011-03-27 18:15:24 <jrabbit> ArtForz: how does memory errors effect you?
1245 2011-03-27 18:15:24 <luke-jr> bk128: except for like 3 boards
1246 2011-03-27 18:15:30 <luke-jr> those 3 are all mini or micro ATX
1247 2011-03-27 18:15:43 <jrabbit> I mean I have ecc on my mac's ram
1248 2011-03-27 18:15:48 <ArtForz> jrabbit: if you have large sims running that take *weeks*, you do NOT want a bit flip to mess that up
1249 2011-03-27 18:15:49 <jrabbit> but not on my homeserver
1250 2011-03-27 18:16:01 <jrabbit> ArtForz: ah
1251 2011-03-27 18:16:17 <ArtForz> and i got WAY too many bad mem modules sitting here to claim "memory never fails"
1252 2011-03-27 18:16:28 <ArtForz> also, my workstation has 16GB ram
1253 2011-03-27 18:16:31 <jrabbit> oh
1254 2011-03-27 18:16:32 <luke-jr> obviously just ECC memory fails
1255 2011-03-27 18:16:39 <jrabbit> thats alot of RAM to fail
1256 2011-03-27 18:16:39 <jrabbit> :P
1257 2011-03-27 18:16:51 <bk128> but you know when ecc ram fails
1258 2011-03-27 18:16:54 <ArtForz> yep
1259 2011-03-27 18:17:07 <ArtForz> if you dont have ECC, say hello to silent data corruption any mysterious crashes
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1261 2011-03-27 18:17:48 <bk128> I've seen so many windows boxes bsod from bad ram
1262 2011-03-27 18:19:32 <ArtForz> yep
1263 2011-03-27 18:20:32 <ArtForz> one nice part of AMDs "one die fits all" strategy, desktop CPUs with ECC support
1264 2011-03-27 18:20:42 <bk128> ok, so if I'm spending only 150 on a mobo and 200-250 on a cpu, it's still a better value to go intel over amd?
1265 2011-03-27 18:20:49 <ArtForz> though those G34 phenoms sure are shiny
1266 2011-03-27 18:21:00 <ArtForz> phjenom-cousin opterons
1267 2011-03-27 18:21:14 <bk128> I was originally thinking of a phenom x4 or x6 system
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1270 2011-03-27 18:22:26 <ArtForz> lol
1271 2011-03-27 18:22:43 <luke-jr> bk128: also, Intel has *good* integrated graphics.
1272 2011-03-27 18:22:54 <luke-jr> eg, so your Radeon can be mining 100%
1273 2011-03-27 18:23:01 <ArtForz> for small values of good
1274 2011-03-27 18:23:22 <bk128> luke-jr: this is just going to be a desktop, not a miner
1275 2011-03-27 18:23:26 <luke-jr> ArtForz: better than any other Linux driver
1276 2011-03-27 18:23:35 <luke-jr> bk128: ok, then you don't even *need* a gfx card :P
1277 2011-03-27 18:23:57 <bk128> well, I might use it for games on occasion.  and solidworks
1278 2011-03-27 18:24:02 <jrabbit> you do if you want compositing
1279 2011-03-27 18:24:06 <luke-jr> jrabbit: no
1280 2011-03-27 18:24:09 <ArtForz> luke-jr: for 2D? dunno, Xorgs radeon + a r6xx or r7xx works pretty damn well for that
1281 2011-03-27 18:24:12 <jrabbit> no?
1282 2011-03-27 18:24:16 <jrabbit> really?
1283 2011-03-27 18:24:23 <luke-jr> bk128: the only games I've seen that need more than Intel, is PCSX2 (PS2 emu) and only because of bugs
1284 2011-03-27 18:24:37 <ArtForz> last time I checked, intel driver 2D accel acts more like decel
1285 2011-03-27 18:24:41 <luke-jr> ArtForz: Sandy Bridge beats all Linux Radeon drivers
1286 2011-03-27 18:24:52 <luke-jr> and h264 decodes fine on GPU
1287 2011-03-27 18:25:04 <luke-jr> jrabbit: Intel got their crap in order for SB
1288 2011-03-27 18:25:30 <ArtForz> erm, h264 decoding is a problem now?
1289 2011-03-27 18:25:44 <luke-jr> ArtForz: my old PC couldn't handle h264 at all
1290 2011-03-27 18:25:56 <ArtForz> how old? a decade?
1291 2011-03-27 18:26:01 <luke-jr> no, 6 years
1292 2011-03-27 18:26:02 <luke-jr> Athlon64
1293 2011-03-27 18:26:17 <ArtForz> has to be a pretty slow one
1294 2011-03-27 18:26:39 <luke-jr> it was a $1000 PC when I got it
1295 2011-03-27 18:26:40 <ArtForz> my old S939 A64 X2 6000+ handled SW 1080p h264 decoding just fine
1296 2011-03-27 18:26:46 <luke-jr> that's X2
1297 2011-03-27 18:26:49 <ArtForz> so?
1298 2011-03-27 18:26:55 <luke-jr> X2 didn't exist back then
1299 2011-03-27 18:27:12 <ArtForz> back then mplayers h264 decoder was single threaded
1300 2011-03-27 18:27:25 <luke-jr> ArtForz: I only just replaced it in January
1301 2011-03-27 18:27:39 <luke-jr> my Athlon64 was the first gen of 64-bit CPUs
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1303 2011-03-27 18:28:22 <bk128> okay, I guess I can spend the 300 on a sb cpu
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1305 2011-03-27 18:28:30 <ArtForz> I think I got something mixed up
1306 2011-03-27 18:28:38 <ArtForz> my old S939 A64 X2 was a 4800+
1307 2011-03-27 18:28:52 <luke-jr> ArtForz: X2 was a whole different generation of CPUs
1308 2011-03-27 18:28:58 <ArtForz> ... not really
1309 2011-03-27 18:29:01 <luke-jr> yes really
1310 2011-03-27 18:29:12 <luke-jr> Athlon64 was before anyone ever heard of multi-core CPUs
1311 2011-03-27 18:29:40 <luke-jr> bk128: mine was $194
1312 2011-03-27 18:29:50 <ArtForz> A64 X2 was released early-mid '05
1313 2011-03-27 18:29:53 <bk128> luke-jr: where?
1314 2011-03-27 18:30:03 <luke-jr> bk128: NewEgg
1315 2011-03-27 18:30:28 <bk128> an i7?
1316 2011-03-27 18:30:39 <luke-jr> i5
1317 2011-03-27 18:30:58 <[Tycho]> The only one task that AMD CPUs are useful at is keeping real (Intel) CPUs in reasonable price level by competition :)
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1319 2011-03-27 18:31:01 <bk128> oh, I was looking at the i7s
1320 2011-03-27 18:31:09 <luke-jr> ArtForz: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103535
1321 2011-03-27 18:31:29 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr <luke-jr+git@utopios.org> * rc658f20fcc54 spesmilo/cashier.py: Bugfix: fix confirmation counting in Tonal mode
1322 2011-03-27 18:31:47 <ArtForz> lol
1323 2011-03-27 18:31:53 <ArtForz> that cpu was released april 2005
1324 2011-03-27 18:32:37 <ArtForz> pretty much one month later the whole first X2 generation was released
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1326 2011-03-27 18:33:38 <luke-jr> bk128: so $100 difference for 500 MHz :P
1327 2011-03-27 18:33:57 <luke-jr> wait no
1328 2011-03-27 18:33:58 <luke-jr> 300 MHz
1329 2011-03-27 18:34:07 <bk128> http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
1330 2011-03-27 18:34:18 <luke-jr> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100006519%2050001157%2040000343%20600095610&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&CompareItemList=343%7C19-115-078%5E19-115-078-TS%2C19-115-076%5E19-115-076-TS%2C19-115-071%5E19-115-071-TS%2C19-115-074%5E19-115-074-TS%2C19-115-073%5E19-115-073-TS
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1334 2011-03-27 18:35:57 <genjix> sirius-m: hey
1335 2011-03-27 18:35:59 <bk128> 2500 or 2500k?
1336 2011-03-27 18:36:02 <genjix> see PM
1337 2011-03-27 18:36:08 <luke-jr> bk128: I have 2400
1338 2011-03-27 18:36:19 <luke-jr> any references to 2500 are probably a typo
1339 2011-03-27 18:37:33 <bk128> what mobo did you get?
1340 2011-03-27 18:37:43 <luke-jr> I have a Gigabyte UD3H
1341 2011-03-27 18:37:49 <luke-jr> I plan to return it when I can get a Q67 chipset
1342 2011-03-27 18:39:13 <bk128> is that out yet?
1343 2011-03-27 18:39:27 <luke-jr> UD3H is
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1345 2011-03-27 18:39:33 <luke-jr> Q67 + ATX is not yet
1346 2011-03-27 18:39:49 <luke-jr> Q67 is just Mini-ATX and Micro-ATX right now :/
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1348 2011-03-27 18:40:05 <bk128> wait, ud3h is an amd chipset
1349 2011-03-27 18:40:06 <luke-jr> the key difference between H67 and Q67, is that Q67 has working VT-d support
1350 2011-03-27 18:40:10 <luke-jr> no?
1351 2011-03-27 18:40:28 <luke-jr> (Q67 also has builtin VNC apparently fwiw)
1352 2011-03-27 18:40:35 <bk128> nevermind, http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=ud3h&x=0&y=0
1353 2011-03-27 18:40:47 <bk128> luke-jr: like an iLO?
1354 2011-03-27 18:40:47 <luke-jr> oh, they have 3 UD3Hs
1355 2011-03-27 18:40:52 <luke-jr> iLO?
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1357 2011-03-27 18:41:32 <bk128> hp server thing.  integrated lights out.  it's an add in card with a web server that allows you to connect to and power cycle the server and use vnc
1358 2011-03-27 18:41:45 <jgarzik> OneFixt: -limitfreerelay will be in 0.3.21.  not in a public release yet
1359 2011-03-27 18:41:46 <luke-jr> oh, sure, but this one is in the chipset
1360 2011-03-27 18:42:10 <luke-jr> http://www.intel.com/technology/vpro/index.htm
1361 2011-03-27 18:42:15 <bk128> ok, but if you had to buy a board now for the i5, what would you get?
1362 2011-03-27 18:42:22 <bk128> I'm probably getting the 2500k
1363 2011-03-27 18:42:39 <luke-jr> K is crap
1364 2011-03-27 18:42:43 <OneFixt> jgarzik: thanks
1365 2011-03-27 18:42:50 <bk128> why?
1366 2011-03-27 18:42:52 <luke-jr> K = no VT-d, no gfx, more expensive
1367 2011-03-27 18:43:03 <bk128> isnt it faster?
1368 2011-03-27 18:43:06 <luke-jr> no
1369 2011-03-27 18:43:09 <luke-jr> it's overclockable
1370 2011-03-27 18:43:11 <luke-jr> which is stupid
1371 2011-03-27 18:43:26 <ArtForz> what?
1372 2011-03-27 18:43:32 <ArtForz> K does have gpu
1373 2011-03-27 18:43:44 <bk128> just says k is unlocked
1374 2011-03-27 18:43:49 <ArtForz> yea
1375 2011-03-27 18:43:51 <bk128> not worth it?
1376 2011-03-27 18:44:19 <luke-jr> ArtForz: yes and no
1377 2011-03-27 18:44:31 <luke-jr> ArtForz: you can only overclock it with P67 chipset, and P67 doesn't support GPU
1378 2011-03-27 18:44:36 <ArtForz> schrodingers gpu?
1379 2011-03-27 18:44:56 <Vladimir> lol
1380 2011-03-27 18:44:58 <ArtForz> but yeah, K doesnt have VT-d support
1381 2011-03-27 18:45:22 <nanotube> what's limitfreerelay supposed to do, exactly?
1382 2011-03-27 18:45:46 <luke-jr> nanotube: ban you if you spend to much moneys
1383 2011-03-27 18:45:52 <ArtForz> limitt relaying rate of free transactions
1384 2011-03-27 18:46:13 <ArtForz> so only a few kB/s of free tx are relayed
1385 2011-03-27 18:46:16 <bk128> I dont need integrated gfx
1386 2011-03-27 18:46:37 <bk128> http://goo.gl/oolR6 wow, most of the boards are sold out
1387 2011-03-27 18:46:46 <nanotube> ArtForz: so between blocks, each node has a limit of how many kb of free tx it relays? or does the counter not get reset between blocks? or what?
1388 2011-03-27 18:47:07 <ArtForz> counter is iirc a simple exponentially decaying avg
1389 2011-03-27 18:47:11 <luke-jr> bk128: then you have to buy a video card
1390 2011-03-27 18:47:18 <bk128> luke-jr: I know that :)
1391 2011-03-27 18:47:30 <luke-jr> bk128: so you pay money, for worse gfx
1392 2011-03-27 18:47:43 <bk128> what?  integrated graphics are better now...?
1393 2011-03-27 18:47:44 <ArtForz> so it basically limits relaying free tx to a few kB/s max
1394 2011-03-27 18:47:48 <luke-jr> bk128: with Linux
1395 2011-03-27 18:47:52 <ArtForz> which is still *way* plenty
1396 2011-03-27 18:48:00 <luke-jr> bk128: Sandy Bridge integrated beats every other GPU on Linux
1397 2011-03-27 18:48:28 <bk128> luke-jr: ok, help me pick out a board then for the 2500
1398 2011-03-27 18:48:34 <ArtForz> for... what exactly?
1399 2011-03-27 18:48:39 <luke-jr> ArtForz: 2D and 3D accel
1400 2011-03-27 18:48:56 <luke-jr> bk128: the Gigabyte works except for 3 problems, 1 of which is fixed in new boards, 1 of whihc is VT-d
1401 2011-03-27 18:48:58 <luke-jr> and I forgot the 3rd
1402 2011-03-27 18:49:03 <luke-jr> so it can't be TOO bad
1403 2011-03-27 18:49:05 <luke-jr> <.<
1404 2011-03-27 18:50:32 <bk128> no vt-d?
1405 2011-03-27 18:50:36 <luke-jr> I was unable to hack an XBox (1) controller to work with it, but that may be my wiring job gone bad
1406 2011-03-27 18:50:47 <luke-jr> bk128: I alreayd said that one :P
1407 2011-03-27 18:51:15 <luke-jr> brb
1408 2011-03-27 18:51:18 <bk128> ok
1409 2011-03-27 18:51:28 <nanotube> ArtForz: ah i see. so will it help any against the ballooning unconfirmed free tx buffer?
1410 2011-03-27 18:51:40 <nanotube> or will the spammer just have to space them out?
1411 2011-03-27 18:52:06 <ArtForz> well, it will balloon a lot slower
1412 2011-03-27 18:52:57 <ArtForz> we still need a better fix long-term, but for now it should be good enough
1413 2011-03-27 18:52:58 <jgarzik> it mainly handles all-at-once floods
1414 2011-03-27 18:53:06 <ArtForz> yep
1415 2011-03-27 18:53:28 <ArtForz> = CPU exhaustion due to all the ECDSA verifying
1416 2011-03-27 18:53:51 <[Tycho]> Looks like the flooder switched to slow and steady rate :)
1417 2011-03-27 18:55:20 <bk128> tx spam again?
1418 2011-03-27 18:55:39 <ArtForz> yeah
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1420 2011-03-27 18:56:37 <ArtForz> http://bitcoinmonitor.com/
1421 2011-03-27 18:56:44 jurev has joined
1422 2011-03-27 18:56:46 <baltimore> Im accepting donations to 1MdCbaDJEW5HuQkv6ziX8oSQGeFFeVGAAq
1423 2011-03-27 18:56:53 <Vladimir> what's the spammer's motivation? is it someone who wants miners to switch to 0.01 minimum fee in order to get a few extra cents for his mined blocks?
1424 2011-03-27 18:57:01 <ArtForz> 14 tx/10 min
1425 2011-03-27 18:57:35 <ArtForz> I guess at that rate he'll need a few years to cause issues :P
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1427 2011-03-27 18:59:24 <TD> wasn't there a guy who was convinced bitcoin could never work and DoSd the network to try and prove his own point?
1428 2011-03-27 18:59:26 <TD> maybe it's him again
1429 2011-03-27 19:00:10 <bk128> he's counting down from 1.00 lol
1430 2011-03-27 19:00:23 <bk128> or from 1.04
1431 2011-03-27 19:00:28 <ArtForz> looks more like from 1.04
1432 2011-03-27 19:02:07 <bk128> where does it say that the 2500k doesnt support vt-d?
1433 2011-03-27 19:02:11 <ArtForz> anyways, as it's a single chain = low dPrio and rather slow, it'll do nothing but *very slowly* increase tx cache size
1434 2011-03-27 19:02:13 <phantomcircuit> TD, the fact that he failed speaks volumes
1435 2011-03-27 19:02:21 <TD> he has not failed
1436 2011-03-27 19:02:34 <ArtForz> ?
1437 2011-03-27 19:02:35 <phantomcircuit> TD, failed to DoS the network?
1438 2011-03-27 19:02:35 <TD> bitcoin is handling traffic measured in "transactions per minute", a fairly pathetic scale
1439 2011-03-27 19:02:47 <TD> yet we have problems with CreateNewBlock scaling badly, imposing relay limits etc
1440 2011-03-27 19:02:47 <phantomcircuit> wat
1441 2011-03-27 19:02:57 <TD> it's causing lots of busy work that isn't spent on more useful things
1442 2011-03-27 19:03:02 <ArtForz> TD: thats because createnewblock is a hack of a hack
1443 2011-03-27 19:03:31 <TD> so from that perspective he's "succeeding" in that he's causing scaling issues artificially, even though he isn't using much money or resources
1444 2011-03-27 19:04:24 <ArtForz> yes, but he didnt cause any of those to get anyhere close to really bad
1445 2011-03-27 19:04:43 <luke-jr> bk128: with H67/P67, it doesn't matter
1446 2011-03-27 19:04:44 <ArtForz> = free load test
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1448 2011-03-27 19:05:02 <bk128> luke-jr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1155 why?
1449 2011-03-27 19:05:50 <luke-jr> bk128: why what?
1450 2011-03-27 19:05:59 <ArtForz> http://ark.intel.com/Compare.aspx?ids=52206,52209,52210,
1451 2011-03-27 19:06:03 <bk128> why doesnt it matter with h67/p67
1452 2011-03-27 19:06:14 <luke-jr> bk128: because like I said, those chipsets break VT-d
1453 2011-03-27 19:06:19 <phantomcircuit> TD, it doesn't count as a DoS until you're actually denying service
1454 2011-03-27 19:06:20 <ArtForz> because iirc those don't support vt-d either
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1457 2011-03-27 19:06:52 <bk128> are there any chipsets out now that support it?
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1460 2011-03-27 19:07:13 <luke-jr> bk128: only Q67
1461 2011-03-27 19:07:29 <ArtForz> http://siphon9.net/loune/2011/01/list-of-sandy-bridge-lga1155-h67p67-motherboards-that-support-vt-d/
1462 2011-03-27 19:08:40 <luke-jr> ArtForz: that was before Intel announced it would never support VT-d on the chipsets
1463 2011-03-27 19:08:58 <SomeAnonymousGuy> how many coins would i have per day if i ran the client 24/hours a day and got 70 Mhash/s
1464 2011-03-27 19:09:08 <ArtForz> ;;bc,gen 70000
1465 2011-03-27 19:09:09 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 70000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 1.02071784762 BTC per day and 0.0425299103175 BTC per hour.
1466 2011-03-27 19:09:31 <SomeAnonymousGuy> Thank you :)
1467 2011-03-27 19:09:33 <ArtForz> http://software.intel.com/en-us/forums/showthread.php?t=81049
1468 2011-03-27 19:09:36 <luke-jr> SomeAnonymousGuy: no guarantees
1469 2011-03-27 19:09:47 <bk128> ok, so if you had to buy a mobo today, which one would you get? (for the i5 2500)  intel one is not stocked anymore http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121474&cm_re=DP67BG-_-13-121-474-_-Product and newegg doesnt have the asus ones
1470 2011-03-27 19:10:04 <luke-jr> bk128: I would probably deal with one of the small Q67s
1471 2011-03-27 19:10:18 <bk128> micro atx asus board?
1472 2011-03-27 19:11:29 <bk128> oh, wait newegg does have P8P67
1473 2011-03-27 19:11:38 <luke-jr> P67 is no-gfx
1474 2011-03-27 19:11:50 <luke-jr> and again, Intel announced that P67/H67 will NEVER have working VT-d
1475 2011-03-27 19:11:58 <luke-jr> regardless of what partial success people might have
1476 2011-03-27 19:12:07 <bk128> oh
1477 2011-03-27 19:12:21 <bk128> why cant they just make a chipset that supports everything?
1478 2011-03-27 19:12:28 <luke-jr> nfc
1479 2011-03-27 19:12:30 <ArtForz> yet they release a beta bios with *working* VT-d support
1480 2011-03-27 19:12:47 <luke-jr> ArtForz: *semi*-working
1481 2011-03-27 19:13:03 <bk128> vt-d is only necessary for vm stuff right?
1482 2011-03-27 19:13:13 <ArtForz> yea
1483 2011-03-27 19:13:20 <luke-jr> bk128: VT-d is what allows you to connect PCI-Express cards directly to a VM
1484 2011-03-27 19:13:24 <ArtForz> for I/O virtualization
1485 2011-03-27 19:13:26 <ArtForz> yep
1486 2011-03-27 19:13:40 <ArtForz> needed for PCI passthrough and similar stunts
1487 2011-03-27 19:13:40 <luke-jr> bk128: for example, you can connect a Radeon to a Windows VM directly
1488 2011-03-27 19:13:42 <luke-jr> with no overhead
1489 2011-03-27 19:13:57 <bk128> ok, that's not essential I guess.  I'll wait till intel gets their shit together for vt-d
1490 2011-03-27 19:14:05 <luke-jr> heh
1491 2011-03-27 19:14:24 <luke-jr> bk128: *all* chipsets, motherboards, and CPUs support VT-x I think
1492 2011-03-27 19:14:37 <ArtForz> VT-x != VT-d
1493 2011-03-27 19:14:50 <bk128> whats vt-x do?
1494 2011-03-27 19:14:58 <luke-jr> just software virtualization
1495 2011-03-27 19:15:06 <luke-jr> eg, KVM
1496 2011-03-27 19:15:18 <ArtForz> errr.. .no
1497 2011-03-27 19:15:23 <luke-jr> only the host OS has direct access to hardware
1498 2011-03-27 19:15:29 <luke-jr> exception to USB devices
1499 2011-03-27 19:15:33 <bk128> ok
1500 2011-03-27 19:15:42 <ArtForz> VT-x = pretty much same stuff as AMD-V = cpou virtusalization support
1501 2011-03-27 19:15:48 <luke-jr> ArtForz: exactly
1502 2011-03-27 19:15:55 <ArtForz> = CPU cxan catch a few problematic instructions and interrupt to hypervisor
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1504 2011-03-27 19:16:14 <bk128> do you run xen?
1505 2011-03-27 19:16:17 <luke-jr> no
1506 2011-03-27 19:16:24 <luke-jr> but I might if I had VT-d
1507 2011-03-27 19:16:33 <luke-jr> I'd prefer KVM though
1508 2011-03-27 19:16:41 <luke-jr> also, Xen probably won't work on anything SB
1509 2011-03-27 19:16:47 <luke-jr> just because SB requires 2.6.37 or newer
1510 2011-03-27 19:16:52 <ArtForz> VT-d = AMD Vi = I/O virtualization
1511 2011-03-27 19:16:59 <luke-jr> and I don't know that Xen has a port for 2.6.37 yet
1512 2011-03-27 19:17:19 <luke-jr> forgot to mention that ;)
1513 2011-03-27 19:17:26 <ArtForz> only thing it's really useful for is allowing a gues exclusive access to a PCI card without risking the card DMAing all over the place
1514 2011-03-27 19:17:28 <luke-jr> bk128: you need relatively new drivers for SB
1515 2011-03-27 19:17:43 <luke-jr> anyhow, I gtg
1516 2011-03-27 19:17:50 <luke-jr> gluck
1517 2011-03-27 19:17:54 <bk128> thanks.
1518 2011-03-27 19:18:16 <luke-jr> bk128: might also ask in ##Hardware to look over your list of stuff too, that's what I did :-p
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1520 2011-03-27 19:18:26 <bk128> ok :)
1521 2011-03-27 19:21:03 <bk128> so the i5 integrated graphics are really the best in linux? better than any card?
1522 2011-03-27 19:28:52 <luke-jr> yes, keeping in mind I am talking about real Linux
1523 2011-03-27 19:29:05 <luke-jr> eg, not Linux+proprietary-blob
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1525 2011-03-27 19:29:36 <luke-jr> Sandy Bridge is the only Linux driver with OpenGL 3 support
1526 2011-03-27 19:29:47 <ArtForz> yep, pretty much best non-binary-blob 3D support
1527 2011-03-27 19:30:16 <ArtForz> and 2D with the latest drivers looks about on par with the FOSS radeon driver
1528 2011-03-27 19:31:06 <Ad0> cool
1529 2011-03-27 19:31:16 <Ad0> but when it comes to crunching numbers I guess amd is still best?
1530 2011-03-27 19:31:26 <Ad0> GPU
1531 2011-03-27 19:31:28 <luke-jr> Intel's IGP sucks at mining
1532 2011-03-27 19:31:35 <luke-jr> assuming that's what I was seeing
1533 2011-03-27 19:31:53 <ArtForz> well, it *is* a slow IGP
1534 2011-03-27 19:32:10 <luke-jr> ArtForz: for mining
1535 2011-03-27 19:32:25 <luke-jr> it's plenty fast enough for gaming and video
1536 2011-03-27 19:32:34 <luke-jr> which is the point ;)
1537 2011-03-27 19:32:36 <ArtForz> it's roughly half a 5450
1538 2011-03-27 19:33:01 <bk128> going with this board http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128476
1539 2011-03-27 19:33:15 <bk128> people in hardware are saying not to bother with ram faster than 1333, is that true?
1540 2011-03-27 19:33:28 <luke-jr> bk128: that doesn't support gfx
1541 2011-03-27 19:33:37 <luke-jr> no idea on RAM speed
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1543 2011-03-27 19:33:57 <ArtForz> well, anything faster than 1333 is always a gamble
1544 2011-03-27 19:34:31 <bk128> why?
1545 2011-03-27 19:34:38 <ArtForz> compatibility is somewhat flaky
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1547 2011-03-27 19:36:36 <bk128> http://ark.intel.com/Compare.aspx?ids=52812,52810,52807,
1548 2011-03-27 19:37:24 <bk128> so q67 is probably the chipset i want?
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1553 2011-03-27 19:38:32 <luke-jr> bk128: Q67 is what you want if you want VT-d
1554 2011-03-27 19:38:34 <bk128> are there even any q67 boards out?
1555 2011-03-27 19:38:38 <luke-jr> H67 should be fine if you don't
1556 2011-03-27 19:38:51 <luke-jr> there are Mini-ATX and Micro-ATX Q67 right now, but no ATX yet
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1560 2011-03-27 19:40:36 <JFK911> oh it works on some chipsets?
1561 2011-03-27 19:40:47 <bk128> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131711
1562 2011-03-27 19:40:55 <JFK911> microcenter will be selling 2600k for $199 by the time the nice chip boards come out
1563 2011-03-27 19:41:14 <bk128> I dont see any q67 boards out yet.  I have to order the stuff today
1564 2011-03-27 19:41:28 <luke-jr> bk128: NewEgg doesn't have any of them
1565 2011-03-27 19:41:31 <JFK911> 950 is $199 at microcenter today
1566 2011-03-27 19:42:01 <bk128> I have a few microcenters near me.  I'm avoiding the 11% chicago sales tax though
1567 2011-03-27 19:42:01 <luke-jr> bk128: FWIW, some review site had issues w/ an Asus board
1568 2011-03-27 19:42:06 <luke-jr> no idea if it's that one
1569 2011-03-27 19:42:11 <JFK911> asus boards always have issues
1570 2011-03-27 19:42:21 <luke-jr> my last one didn't
1571 2011-03-27 19:42:30 <JFK911> you just didnt find the issues xD
1572 2011-03-27 19:42:35 <luke-jr> lol
1573 2011-03-27 19:42:38 <luke-jr> maybe
1574 2011-03-27 19:42:41 <luke-jr> bbl
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1577 2011-03-27 19:43:04 <JFK911> bk128: well $199 for 950 at mc or $279 for 960 at newegg
1578 2011-03-27 19:43:15 <JFK911> any cheap processors online?
1579 2011-03-27 19:43:24 <JFK911> mc is the only place i know with good cpu price
1580 2011-03-27 19:43:25 <luke-jr> JFK911: but it's K, which is fail :p
1581 2011-03-27 19:43:46 <JFK911> whats K?
1582 2011-03-27 19:44:01 <luke-jr> more expensive, overclockable, no-VT-d
1583 2011-03-27 19:44:05 <luke-jr> so worthless
1584 2011-03-27 19:44:07 <bk128> i5 2500 is 199 on newegg and is faster than the i7 950 :p
1585 2011-03-27 19:44:21 <bk128> and no tax
1586 2011-03-27 19:45:09 <JFK911> oh mc has the 2500k $179
1587 2011-03-27 19:45:14 <luke-jr> …
1588 2011-03-27 19:45:28 <JFK911> why would they leave vtd out of the k parts
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1590 2011-03-27 19:45:44 <JFK911> tax is more tho
1591 2011-03-27 19:46:09 <bk128> are you in chicago too?
1592 2011-03-27 19:46:15 <bk128> http://www.gigabyte.us/products/list.aspx?s=42&jid=1&p=2&v=24 no q67 boards yet
1593 2011-03-27 19:46:24 <JFK911> na
1594 2011-03-27 19:46:51 <JFK911> thats lame they crippled vt-d
1595 2011-03-27 19:47:33 <bk128> luke-jr: so you'd avoid asus boards now?  what h67 board would you go with then?  preferably 2 pci e 16x slots
1596 2011-03-27 19:49:05 <tippenein> am I correct that 1 bitcoin is worth 14 cents USD?
1597 2011-03-27 19:49:34 <Blitzboom> no
1598 2011-03-27 19:49:38 <xelister> tippenein: 0.90
1599 2011-03-27 19:49:43 <Blitzboom> http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/
1600 2011-03-27 19:49:43 <tippenein> ok, thank
1601 2011-03-27 19:49:44 <bk128> more like .83 usd http://mtgox.com/
1602 2011-03-27 19:50:06 <JFK911> Intel Core i5 2400 LGA 1155 Boxed Processor 	Intel Core i5 2400 LGA 1155 Boxed Processor
1603 2011-03-27 19:50:09 <JFK911> SKU: 200170 	$149.99
1604 2011-03-27 19:50:18 <tippenein> ah, i was looking at LRUSD liberty reserve
1605 2011-03-27 19:53:19 <JFK911> weak no hyperthreading on i5
1606 2011-03-27 19:54:25 <bk128> still benchmarks higher http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
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1609 2011-03-27 19:59:53 <JFK911> and it has vtd
1610 2011-03-27 20:02:51 <npouillard> I'm looking for a chart or raw-data of bitcoin difficulty evolution, any idea?
1611 2011-03-27 20:03:25 <forrestv> npouillard, https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Difficulty#What_is_the_current_difficulty?
1612 2011-03-27 20:03:58 <bk128> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin.png
1613 2011-03-27 20:04:07 <bk128> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed.png
1614 2011-03-27 20:05:20 <npouillard> I remember of this site http://nullvoid.org/bitcoin/difficultiez.php but it down, right?
1615 2011-03-27 20:05:42 <ArtForz> http://pastebin.com/eddjUWPt
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1617 2011-03-27 20:07:49 <forrestv> npouillard, you could just directly examine the block chain
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1620 2011-03-27 20:09:27 <bk128> ArtForz: is the sata raid support in the intel chipsets "fake raid"
1621 2011-03-27 20:09:34 <ArtForz> yea
1622 2011-03-27 20:10:05 <bk128> does it take up a lot of cpu time to just do a mirror?
1623 2011-03-27 20:11:18 <npouillard> forrestv,bk128,ArtForz: thanks you all
1624 2011-03-27 20:12:47 <xelister> da2ce7: FLIP #freenet had some usefull actuall discussions... try it :)
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1627 2011-03-27 20:15:12 <bk128> ArtForz: have you had problems with newer asus boards?  I was looking at this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131711
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1629 2011-03-27 20:16:01 <ArtForz> generally, nope
1630 2011-03-27 20:16:43 <bk128> what would you go with, that one or this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128476
1631 2011-03-27 20:16:55 <bk128> second board has no integrated gfx though
1632 2011-03-27 20:17:03 <ArtForz> for a normal desktop?
1633 2011-03-27 20:17:15 <bk128> yeah
1634 2011-03-27 20:17:27 <ArtForz> I somehow like the asus better
1635 2011-03-27 20:17:44 <bk128> ok.  anything else I should look at?
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1638 2011-03-27 20:21:49 <bk128> ArtForz: what's the main difference between the first asus board and this one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131710
1639 2011-03-27 20:22:03 <bk128> http://usa.asus.com/Search.aspx?SearchKey=P8H67-M
1640 2011-03-27 20:23:49 <ArtForz> one has 2*PCI, one has PCIe x1+PCI
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1642 2011-03-27 20:24:35 <ArtForz> and -evo has displayport
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1644 2011-03-27 20:25:22 <ArtForz> and firewire
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1647 2011-03-27 20:26:12 <bk128> hmmmm
1648 2011-03-27 20:26:36 <LtBrenton> holy IPv6 batman
1649 2011-03-27 20:26:45 <phantomcircuit> ?
1650 2011-03-27 20:26:54 <npouillard> so it is the first difficulty decrease since a while (2010-05 at 11.8)
1651 2011-03-27 20:26:59 <JFK911> http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Bitcoin-based_20discounts#1301161928
1652 2011-03-27 20:27:01 <ArtForz> yup
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1656 2011-03-27 20:28:11 <phantomcircuit> I think the 1 hour delay is a pretty serious problem
1657 2011-03-27 20:28:19 <phantomcircuit> that's quite a long time before a transaction is verified
1658 2011-03-27 20:28:42 <TheKid> phantomcircuit: bank transfers, checks, etc take over a day each
1659 2011-03-27 20:28:49 <TheKid> an hour is almost no time at all
1660 2011-03-27 20:29:03 <phantomcircuit> sure but a credit card transaction occurs in seconds
1661 2011-03-27 20:29:05 <JFK911> checks are largely instant its 2011
1662 2011-03-27 20:29:19 <phantomcircuit> JFK911, eh that's not really true
1663 2011-03-27 20:29:25 <phantomcircuit> checks will "clear" instantly
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1665 2011-03-27 20:29:37 <JFK911> give me a check, i'll probably clear it and get the funds in a few minutes using my scanner
1666 2011-03-27 20:29:41 <phantomcircuit> but in reality they haven't actually checked that the funds are there
1667 2011-03-27 20:29:50 <JFK911> yes they have, it's the point of check21
1668 2011-03-27 20:29:55 <phantomcircuit> also im getting crashes
1669 2011-03-27 20:29:56 <TheKid> phantomcircuit: credit cards are not cash
1670 2011-03-27 20:30:07 <TheKid> and they also take many days to fully transfer
1671 2011-03-27 20:30:28 <TheKid> but the company (visa, mastercard, discover, etc) is saying that they vouch to pay for this transaction if funds do not clear
1672 2011-03-27 20:30:31 <phantomcircuit> sure the actual transfer of funds might take a couple days
1673 2011-03-27 20:30:38 <phantomcircuit> but those funds have been reserved
1674 2011-03-27 20:30:40 <TheKid> that is a service rendered by them as a third party on top of a currency
1675 2011-03-27 20:30:48 <TheKid> something similar will happen with bitcoins
1676 2011-03-27 20:31:01 <phantomcircuit> fair enough
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1678 2011-03-27 20:31:07 <devrandom> RFC on immediate transfers - http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4723.0
1679 2011-03-27 20:31:15 <phantomcircuit> also the latest git source crashes and burns for me
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1681 2011-03-27 20:32:13 <phantomcircuit> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=fJzVn0Gs
1682 2011-03-27 20:32:16 <phantomcircuit> explodify
1683 2011-03-27 20:33:26 <xelister> interesting
1684 2011-03-27 20:34:40 <Kiba> blah, if you do too many good things, you get promoted to moderator
1685 2011-03-27 20:34:54 <ArtForz> errr... I dont see any actual error
1686 2011-03-27 20:35:10 <ArtForz> just a SEGV out of the blue?
1687 2011-03-27 20:35:45 <lyspooner> kiba is a global moderator... do you get paid for that
1688 2011-03-27 20:36:32 <phantomcircuit> array, occurs immediately
1689 2011-03-27 20:36:34 <phantomcircuit> er
1690 2011-03-27 20:36:41 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, occurs almost as soon as it's started
1691 2011-03-27 20:36:44 <ArtForz> ahhh... there it is
1692 2011-03-27 20:36:58 <ArtForz> thread 2 SEGVed
1693 2011-03-27 20:37:18 <phantomcircuit> lol weird
1694 2011-03-27 20:37:25 <phantomcircuit> runnign it in gdb no SEGV
1695 2011-03-27 20:37:27 <ArtForz> in... PushGetBlocks ?!?
1696 2011-03-27 20:37:27 <phantomcircuit> :|
1697 2011-03-27 20:38:30 <phantomcircuit> oh this might be my fault
1698 2011-03-27 20:38:30 <Kiba> lyspooner: no
1699 2011-03-27 20:38:35 <phantomcircuit> i have modifications
1700 2011-03-27 20:38:50 <phantomcircuit> didn't realize they were there
1701 2011-03-27 20:41:08 <phantomcircuit> yeah
1702 2011-03-27 20:41:09 <phantomcircuit> silly me
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1709 2011-03-27 20:49:48 <bk128> has anyone seen a cpx form factor PSU?
1710 2011-03-27 20:50:20 <ArtForz> yes
1711 2011-03-27 20:50:51 <ArtForz> antec makes a few
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1714 2011-03-27 20:51:02 <ArtForz> probably because they made up the "standard"
1715 2011-03-27 20:51:51 <bk128> ah
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1717 2011-03-27 20:52:22 <bk128> are antec or corsair PSUs better?
1718 2011-03-27 20:52:30 <ArtForz> and bigger PSU form factors are nothing new
1719 2011-03-27 20:53:24 <ArtForz> good Q, hard to say
1720 2011-03-27 20:54:21 <bk128> okay.  going antec, little cheaper
1721 2011-03-27 20:54:26 <jzknight> bk128: I've never had an antec fail on me, I have some that are over 10 years old now, some are even AT ones
1722 2011-03-27 20:54:42 <jzknight> bk128: but then again, ive never owned a corsair
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1724 2011-03-27 20:55:28 <ArtForz> back in the AT days I *really* liked deltas
1725 2011-03-27 20:56:01 <ArtForz> which iirc is what antec uses
1726 2011-03-27 20:56:17 <bk128> deltas?
1727 2011-03-27 20:56:36 <ArtForz> yes
1728 2011-03-27 20:56:40 <ArtForz> delta electronics
1729 2011-03-27 20:57:00 <ArtForz> OEM of antec signature, antec CP, antec earthwatts
1730 2011-03-27 20:57:19 <ArtForz> also found in a lot of corsairs
1731 2011-03-27 20:57:47 <ArtForz> and they used to make intel-branded server PSUs
1732 2011-03-27 20:58:26 <ArtForz> seems no current corsair are deltas anymore though
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1734 2011-03-27 21:00:27 <ArtForz> looks like pretty much all of antecs current lineup are delta PSUs
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1737 2011-03-27 21:16:45 <bk128> does this look like a reference card? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102915
1738 2011-03-27 21:16:50 <CIA-96> bitcoinj: hearn@google.com * r44 /trunk/src/com/google/bitcoin/core/StoredBlock.java: Add serialVersionUID to StoredBlock
1739 2011-03-27 21:17:51 <CIA-96> bitcoinj: hearn@google.com * r45 /trunk/src/com/google/bitcoin/core/Wallet.java: Add synchronized to a couple of methods. Bit more style consistency in Wallet.
1740 2011-03-27 21:18:06 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
1741 2011-03-27 21:18:09 <gribble> Current Blocks: 115336 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 1591 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 9 hours, 41 minutes, and 55 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 73440.97672748
1742 2011-03-27 21:19:24 <CIA-96> bitcoinj: hearn@google.com * r46 /trunk/src/com/google/bitcoin/core/ (4 files): Require block stores to track the best chain head, add for the MemoryBlockStore.
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1744 2011-03-27 21:33:33 <CIA-96> bitcoinj: hearn@google.com * r47 /trunk/src/com/google/bitcoin/core/ (7 files): Make BlockStore and StoredBlock public. Move StoredBlock building into the class itself.
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1747 2011-03-27 21:37:13 <luke-jr> JFK911: because they don't want people using VT-d (likely business/datacenters) overclocking
1748 2011-03-27 21:38:03 <luke-jr> bk128: I'd avoid Asus boards that nobody has mentioned work :p
1749 2011-03-27 21:38:29 <luke-jr> bk128: as I said, my Gigabyte UD3H is mostly fine
1750 2011-03-27 21:38:42 <bk128> works with integrated gfx?
1751 2011-03-27 21:38:49 <luke-jr> yeah, the UD3H is H67
1752 2011-03-27 21:39:03 <luke-jr> just need to make sure you get the latest drivers
1753 2011-03-27 21:39:13 <luke-jr> I got mine about a week after SB was released
1754 2011-03-27 21:39:16 <luke-jr> and it worked fine
1755 2011-03-27 21:39:16 <bk128> fuuu sold out
1756 2011-03-27 21:39:20 <luke-jr> rly?
1757 2011-03-27 21:39:49 <bk128> on newegg.  this asus board has 5 good reviews
1758 2011-03-27 21:39:54 <bk128> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131711
1759 2011-03-27 21:39:58 <JFK911> luke-jr: they already crippled it enough by making everyone who wants ECC to buy Zion processors
1760 2011-03-27 21:40:25 <JFK911> gigabyte UD3 kick ass board
1761 2011-03-27 21:41:23 <luke-jr> ew, UD2H is sold out too
1762 2011-03-27 21:41:39 <bk128> this board? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128475&Tpk=intel%20UD3H
1763 2011-03-27 21:41:40 <luke-jr> and the others only have 2 RAM slots
1764 2011-03-27 21:43:37 <bk128> luke-jr: what kind of problems did the asus board have?  can you remember which board it was?  I've always liked asus stuff
1765 2011-03-27 21:43:49 <luke-jr> bk128: IIRC they couldn't get it to work
1766 2011-03-27 21:43:58 <bk128> at all?
1767 2011-03-27 21:44:14 <curiositysquared> ;;bc,help
1768 2011-03-27 21:44:14 <gribble> Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,channels, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,gen, Alias bc,gend, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,labs, Alias bc,lbs, Alias bc,markets, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,poolstats, Alias bc,prob, Alias bc,stats, Alias bc,timetonext, Alias bc,totalbc, and Alias (1 more message)
1769 2011-03-27 21:44:21 <curiositysquared> ;;bc,timetonext
1770 2011-03-27 21:44:22 <gribble> 1 week, 3 days, 9 hours, 13 minutes, and 40 seconds
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1772 2011-03-27 21:44:29 <luke-jr> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel_sandy_breaks&num=1
1773 2011-03-27 21:44:59 <curiositysquared> ;;bc,estimate
1774 2011-03-27 21:45:00 <gribble> 73387.01660857
1775 2011-03-27 21:45:18 <curiositysquared> ;;bc,gend
1776 2011-03-27 21:45:18 <luke-jr> that was on ASUS P8H67-M PRO
1777 2011-03-27 21:45:19 <gribble> (bc,gend <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The expected generation output, at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [math calc 50*24*60*60 / (1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256))] BTC per day and [math calc 50*60*60 / (1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256))] BTC per hour.".
1778 2011-03-27 21:45:40 <luke-jr> they only got it working by swapping it out for Intel BLKDH67BL
1779 2011-03-27 21:45:45 <luke-jr> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel_sandy_speed&num=1
1780 2011-03-27 21:46:54 <curiositysquared> Is there a way to get the time since the last difficulty change from gribble?
1781 2011-03-27 21:47:01 <luke-jr> looks like the only ATX H67 NewEgg has with 2 PCI-Ex16 is the Gigabyte
1782 2011-03-27 21:47:10 <curiositysquared> the only way I know is to go to block explorer and convert the epoch timestamp
1783 2011-03-27 21:48:06 <curiositysquared> also, how is the "bc,estimate" estimated? Is it time since last difficulty change / blocks so far?
1784 2011-03-27 21:48:13 <curiositysquared> or is a moving average of the block rate?
1785 2011-03-27 21:48:17 <bk128> luke-jr: where does it say it's an asus problem?
1786 2011-03-27 21:48:34 <bk128> oh, the second link
1787 2011-03-27 21:48:53 <sipa> curiositysquared: it's an extrapolation based on the time since the previous retarget and how many blocks have been generated since
1788 2011-03-27 21:49:07 <luke-jr> "A few days after Jesse Barnes received an ASUS P8H67-M PRO motherboard, and not to my surprise, he was able to reproduce the big problem I had been reporting concerning the system locking up under load and the display becoming corrupted in a tiled manner."
1789 2011-03-27 21:49:27 <luke-jr> "After reconnecting the same RAM, SSD, and power supply to the Intel-branded H67 motherboard, I booted up into Ubuntu 10.10 with the same software driver configuration that I used to unsuccessfully test the ASUS P8H67-M PRO motherboard. With the different motherboard, everything worked just fine! There was no lock-ups, tiling corruption, or other Sandy Bridge Linux driver bugs. It all worked just fine and it was actually running quite fast for
1790 2011-03-27 21:49:28 <luke-jr> being the Intel Mesa driver."
1791 2011-03-27 21:49:51 <luke-jr> supper time, bbiab
1792 2011-03-27 21:50:00 <bk128> ok thanks luke-jr
1793 2011-03-27 21:50:02 <luke-jr> bk128: btw, no point ordering today, after biz hours, at this point
1794 2011-03-27 21:50:10 <luke-jr> so I wouldn't rush it before tomorrow morning
1795 2011-03-27 21:50:22 <bk128> luke-jr: so you know the gfx on the gigabyte mobo work?
1796 2011-03-27 21:50:24 <JFK911> ;;bc,hextarget
1797 2011-03-27 21:50:25 <gribble> 000000000000F339000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
1798 2011-03-27 21:50:41 <luke-jr> bk128: there are no gfx on the Gigabyte, it's in the same die as the CPU
1799 2011-03-27 21:50:44 <luke-jr> but yes, I know for sure they work
1800 2011-03-27 21:50:53 <luke-jr> I'm using it rihgt now
1801 2011-03-27 21:51:08 <bk128> so why does the asus board break it? hmm
1802 2011-03-27 21:51:15 <luke-jr> bugs in their BIOS maybe
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1804 2011-03-27 21:51:36 <luke-jr> it might be worth considering another online store. Surely NewEgg doesn't have a monopoly.
1805 2011-03-27 21:51:49 <bk128> :)
1806 2011-03-27 21:53:11 <curiositysquared> ;;bc,stats
1807 2011-03-27 21:53:14 <gribble> Current Blocks: 115342 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 1585 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 7 hours, 52 minutes, and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 73741.08064488
1808 2011-03-27 21:54:18 <curiositysquared> sipa, am I right to say that the hash rate since the last difficulty adjustment is = (1 week, 3 days, 7 hours, 52 minutes and 35 seconds)/ 1585 blocks ?
1809 2011-03-27 21:54:27 <curiositysquared> (or the inverse of that .... since that's seconds per block)
1810 2011-03-27 21:55:01 <luke-jr> bk128: FWIW, I had my graphics working fine BEFORE Phoronix got theirs… hence me (and a few others) ranting at them for misrepresenting it in their forum :P
1811 2011-03-27 21:55:13 <luke-jr> eg, before the 'speed' article
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1813 2011-03-27 21:56:37 <curiositysquared> luke-jr .... been loosly trying to follow this motherboard convo, does this have anything to do with btc? (no opinion either way but I keep looking for a connection and I think you're just talking pro's and cons of mobo's, right?)
1814 2011-03-27 21:57:18 <bk128> luke-jr: just bought the ud3h board :)
1815 2011-03-27 21:58:45 <sipa> curiositysquared: that would be the block rate, not the hash rate
1816 2011-03-27 21:58:56 <sipa> the hash rate is equal to 2^48/65535*difficulty*block_rate
1817 2011-03-27 22:01:04 <curiositysquared> yeah. I oversimplified.
1818 2011-03-27 22:04:46 <sipa> curiositysquared: by the way, where do you het the number 1585?
1819 2011-03-27 22:04:51 <sipa> oh
1820 2011-03-27 22:05:09 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,calc 1020000
1821 2011-03-27 22:05:10 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1020000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 3 days, 8 hours, 40 minutes, and 53 seconds
1822 2011-03-27 22:05:12 <sipa> that's the current estimated rate indeed
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1824 2011-03-27 22:06:30 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,gen 1020000
1825 2011-03-27 22:06:32 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1020000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 14.8733172082 BTC per day and 0.619721550341 BTC per hour.
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1827 2011-03-27 22:07:38 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,timetonext
1828 2011-03-27 22:07:39 <gribble> 1 week, 3 days, 7 hours, 16 minutes, and 48 seconds
1829 2011-03-27 22:08:02 <LtBrenton> ;;bc,stats
1830 2011-03-27 22:08:05 <gribble> Current Blocks: 115343 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 1584 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 7 hours, 16 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 73842.50743599
1831 2011-03-27 22:08:32 <ForceDestroyer> Hi. I'm new to the whole thing, how can I join BitCoin generation? I have a Radeon HD 5750, running WinXP, computer is up 24/7 anyways.
1832 2011-03-27 22:09:13 <sipa> ForceDestroyer: join a pool (see the forum), download a miner (rpcminer, poclbm, ...), and start mining :)
1833 2011-03-27 22:09:21 <sipa> and you'll need the ati stream sdk
1834 2011-03-27 22:09:27 <ForceDestroyer> Also, I started bitcoin in daemon mode while messing around, how do I shut it down? ^^
1835 2011-03-27 22:09:34 <ForceDestroyer> I already got that
1836 2011-03-27 22:09:40 <sipa> ./bitcoin stop
1837 2011-03-27 22:09:50 <dirtyfilthy> hammertime!
1838 2011-03-27 22:09:59 <ForceDestroyer> Ah. Thanks
1839 2011-03-27 22:09:59 <sipa> oh, windows, run bitcoin in the command line, with the argument stop
1840 2011-03-27 22:10:08 <ForceDestroyer> Worked :)
1841 2011-03-27 22:10:40 <ForceDestroyer> Which miner do you recommend? Is there one that has... a GUI? lol
1842 2011-03-27 22:10:56 <sipa> there exist a poclbm gui
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1844 2011-03-27 22:11:18 <sipa> but why do you need a gui for something that's running 24/7? :)
1845 2011-03-27 22:12:10 <ForceDestroyer> I guess you're right.
1846 2011-03-27 22:12:54 <slush> ForceDestroyer: I recommend you the poclbm gui, it's the same performance as original poclbm and the gui is helpful for beginners :)
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1849 2011-03-27 22:14:24 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,calcd 1020000 73842.50743599
1850 2011-03-27 22:14:25 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1020000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 73842.50743599, is 3 days, 14 hours, 22 minutes, and 12 seconds
1851 2011-03-27 22:15:47 <ForceDestroyer> It won't load, says it can't find StreamSDK... do I require a reboot after installing it?
1852 2011-03-27 22:15:58 <slush> try it :)
1853 2011-03-27 22:16:09 <slush> did you installed the StreamSDK?
1854 2011-03-27 22:16:34 <ForceDestroyer> I believe so. It was an installer for two components, don't know what they are exactly
1855 2011-03-27 22:16:45 <slush> ok, so try the restart, should help
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1858 2011-03-27 22:17:57 <EPiSKiNG> and be sure to install SDK v2.1 or 2.2, not 2.3
1859 2011-03-27 22:18:16 <slush> ForceDestroyer:  good point ^^
1860 2011-03-27 22:18:24 <bk128> ohyes
1861 2011-03-27 22:18:36 <ForceDestroyer> I can't reboot right now *shrugs*
1862 2011-03-27 22:18:46 <ForceDestroyer> Oh, what? wait
1863 2011-03-27 22:18:46 <EPiSKiNG> One block = 50BTC yes?
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1865 2011-03-27 22:18:56 <slush> EPiSKiNG: + fees
1866 2011-03-27 22:19:11 <bk128> mkukies
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1868 2011-03-27 22:20:08 <EPiSKiNG> If I'm running 1GH/s , how many BTC would I have by the end of 30 days, given the next difficulty of 73842.50743599?
1869 2011-03-27 22:20:16 <curiositysquared> Can someone add https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?hl=en&hl=en&key=0AmcTCtjBoRWUdHVRMHpqWUJValI1RlZiaEtCT1RrQmc to the wiki here:  https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Difficulty&action=edit
1870 2011-03-27 22:20:30 <slush> ;;bc,gend 1000000
1871 2011-03-27 22:20:30 <gribble> (bc,gend <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The expected generation output, at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [math calc 50*24*60*60 / (1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256))] BTC per day and [math calc 50*60*60 / (1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256))] BTC per hour.".
1872 2011-03-27 22:20:46 <slush> ;;bc,gen 1000000
1873 2011-03-27 22:20:47 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 14.5816835374 BTC per day and 0.607570147393 BTC per hour.
1874 2011-03-27 22:21:35 <slush> ;;bc,gend 100000 73842
1875 2011-03-27 22:21:37 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 100000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 73842, is 1.36213588552 BTC per day and 0.0567556618966 BTC per hour.
1876 2011-03-27 22:21:41 <slush> curiositysquared: ^^
1877 2011-03-27 22:21:47 <slush> curiositysquared: oh, sorry
1878 2011-03-27 22:21:51 <slush> EPiSKiNG: ^^ :)
1879 2011-03-27 22:22:04 <EPiSKiNG> thax
1880 2011-03-27 22:22:12 <Stellar> hey thx curiositysquared!
1881 2011-03-27 22:22:48 <EPiSKiNG> Is it better to mine in a pool or on one's own?
1882 2011-03-27 22:23:03 <sipa> on average, no
1883 2011-03-27 22:23:15 <slush> EPiSKiNG: with 1Gh/s it purely depends on your personality
1884 2011-03-27 22:23:24 <sipa> in practice, yes unless you have a lot of power
1885 2011-03-27 22:24:03 <slush> there are people with 10 ghash using pools and people with 100mhash on solo
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1887 2011-03-27 22:24:49 <EPiSKiNG> suffice it to say, if i have a lower GH/s compared to a pool, I get more reward VS having a higher GH/s and getting more reward individually
1888 2011-03-27 22:25:58 <slush> EPiSKiNG: the biggest difference is in your ability to risk. With enough power and solo mining, you may save the fees and avoid troubles with pool connections
1889 2011-03-27 22:26:06 <slush> but you can be also unlucky and lose much more :)
1890 2011-03-27 22:26:23 <slush> for example, my 2.5ghash rig didn't find a block last week
1891 2011-03-27 22:26:33 <slush> but I don't need to care, because I'm on pool :)
1892 2011-03-27 22:26:53 <sipa> our 1.26Ghash/s rig found 3 blocks on one single day, a few days ago :)
1893 2011-03-27 22:27:06 <sipa> fortunately, is was mining solo :p
1894 2011-03-27 22:27:24 <slush> :) yes, it may happen
1895 2011-03-27 22:27:38 <slush> cosurgi is specialist on the pool switching
1896 2011-03-27 22:28:02 <slush> he was too unlucky for many days or weeks (cannot remember), then he finally connect to pool and found a bunch of blocks at once ;)
1897 2011-03-27 22:28:14 <EPiSKiNG> interesting
1898 2011-03-27 22:28:46 <luke-jr> curiositysquared: not really
1899 2011-03-27 22:28:47 <JFK911> i got 2 blocks in 1 single day with 400mhash
1900 2011-03-27 22:28:49 <JFK911> last week
1901 2011-03-27 22:29:09 <luke-jr> JFK911: luck
1902 2011-03-27 22:29:21 <JFK911> ya
1903 2011-03-27 22:29:37 <slush> there are many people talking about their lucky times, but not so many talking about their weeks without blocks ;)
1904 2011-03-27 22:29:50 <luke-jr> first 10 days, I found nothing (4d21h avg per block back then)
1905 2011-03-27 22:29:56 <luke-jr> then I found 2 in 1 day
1906 2011-03-27 22:29:59 <luke-jr> then another the next
1907 2011-03-27 22:30:12 <luke-jr> have had over-average yields ever since
1908 2011-03-27 22:30:13 <JFK911> i only had 1 week w/o blocks and thats this past week
1909 2011-03-27 22:30:14 <slush> 2x more time to find a block isn't anything unusual
1910 2011-03-27 22:30:18 <JFK911> but i started that off with the 2 in one day
1911 2011-03-27 22:30:30 <ForceDestroyer> What does "Juniper" mean?
1912 2011-03-27 22:30:34 <JFK911> but since i started i got 2x what youd have paid me slush
1913 2011-03-27 22:30:41 <luke-jr> 118% today
1914 2011-03-27 22:31:08 <slush> the longest round on pool needed 12x more shares than average. Let's imagine that you have same luck and need to find 500k shares on solo to find a block... insane
1915 2011-03-27 22:31:16 <JFK911> yea
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1917 2011-03-27 22:32:48 <slush> JFK911: it's possible, of course. Nobody is saying that variance must be always negative :)
1918 2011-03-27 22:33:25 <JFK911> if i used up all my luck on bitcoins, i'mma be pissed
1919 2011-03-27 22:33:51 <CIA-96> bitcoinj: hearn@google.com * r48 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Move the next header creation method out of BlockTest and into Block, as it is useful for other unit tests as well.
1920 2011-03-27 22:34:17 <TD> ForceDestroyer: uh it's a company that makes routers, why?
1921 2011-03-27 22:34:42 <JFK911> no it's not.  it's a tree
1922 2011-03-27 22:34:55 <ForceDestroyer> It's a device seen in the miner gui
1923 2011-03-27 22:35:02 <slush> ForceDestroyer: It's name of GPU chip
1924 2011-03-27 22:35:03 <ForceDestroyer> GPU, I suppose?
1925 2011-03-27 22:35:08 <ForceDestroyer> Ah
1926 2011-03-27 22:35:49 <TD> ah, that too :) makes more sense
1927 2011-03-27 22:38:45 <ForceDestroyer> Do I need to run BitCoin in daemon mode to use a miner?
1928 2011-03-27 22:39:02 <slush> ForceDestroyer: on solo - yes, on pool - no
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1933 2011-03-27 22:44:35 <sipa> ForceDestroyer: and for solo mining, either bitcoin -server, or bitcoind
1934 2011-03-27 22:44:52 Stellar has joined
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1936 2011-03-27 22:49:44 <ForceDestroyer> It just says "Bitcoin is downloading blocks" ... how long does that take?
1937 2011-03-27 22:52:46 doublec has joined
1938 2011-03-27 22:53:21 <JFK911> go watch a movie
1939 2011-03-27 22:53:39 <sgornick> MagicalTux: Wiki performance has been dragging ... anything that can be done?
1940 2011-03-27 22:53:55 lyspooner has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.15/20110303024726])
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1942 2011-03-27 22:56:23 <MagicalTux> sgornick: right now the wiki is ~1000km from its database server, it should move soon too
1943 2011-03-27 22:56:38 <MagicalTux> (preparing migration)
1944 2011-03-27 22:56:59 <sgornick> MagicalTux: ok, thanks.
1945 2011-03-27 22:57:05 <sipa> ForceDestroyer: how many do you have?
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1947 2011-03-27 22:57:16 <ForceDestroyer> 111k
1948 2011-03-27 22:57:21 <sipa> ;bc,blocks
1949 2011-03-27 22:57:22 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
1950 2011-03-27 22:57:24 <gribble> 115346
1951 2011-03-27 22:57:28 <sipa> you need 115k :)
1952 2011-03-27 22:57:53 <ForceDestroyer> How does this scale? (What'll be the final size?)
1953 2011-03-27 22:58:04 <sipa> +infinity
1954 2011-03-27 22:58:09 <JFK911> it grows forever
1955 2011-03-27 22:58:21 <ForceDestroyer> Well, by which order, I ask then?
1956 2011-03-27 22:58:30 <sipa> 1 per 10 minutes
1957 2011-03-27 22:59:16 <ForceDestroyer> So, in the near future, the bitcoin app data will require > 1GB, and this will keep growing? o.o Or am I misunderstanding something?
1958 2011-03-27 22:59:25 <sipa> however, i suppose in the future you'll ether run a thin client (which doesn't need the whole block chain), or you download a prepackaged version
1959 2011-03-27 22:59:46 <sipa> if you keep running a full node, you can expect some serious resource usage, yes
1960 2011-03-27 22:59:51 <sipa> but hard disk space is cheap
1961 2011-03-27 23:00:11 <ForceDestroyer> True, but infinity's a large number... lol
1962 2011-03-27 23:00:27 <ForceDestroyer> inb4 mathboys screaming at me
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1964 2011-03-27 23:00:48 <sipa> inb4?
1965 2011-03-27 23:01:15 <ForceDestroyer> in before... I said that infinity is a number, that's occasionally dangerous
1966 2011-03-27 23:02:26 <sipa> haha
1967 2011-03-27 23:04:10 <phantomcircuit> ForceDestroyer, a real full node will require ever expanding storage
1968 2011-03-27 23:04:18 <genjix> if block header downloads are implemented, that means a 10 mb download, right?
1969 2011-03-27 23:04:31 <genjix> and we expect a 10 kb/s download speed?
1970 2011-03-27 23:04:36 <ForceDestroyer> So, block count grows with linear speed, dependent on the current processing power used?
1971 2011-03-27 23:05:00 <genjix> so bitcoin would take ~16 mins to initialise?
1972 2011-03-27 23:05:07 <phantomcircuit> ForceDestroyer, no the block count grows at a fixed rate, the transactions associated with those blocks however grow as needed
1973 2011-03-27 23:05:15 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
1974 2011-03-27 23:05:16 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.8721,"low":0.8152,"vol":5232,"buy":0.8275,"sell":0.854,"last":0.8575}}
1975 2011-03-27 23:05:44 <luke-jr> ForceDestroyer: there is a half-way point between thin and full
1976 2011-03-27 23:05:48 <luke-jr> not implemented yet
1977 2011-03-27 23:05:52 Arkk has joined
1978 2011-03-27 23:05:54 <ForceDestroyer> Hm.
1979 2011-03-27 23:06:11 <Arkk> hi ^^
1980 2011-03-27 23:06:12 <luke-jr> this half-node does not depend on any full node
1981 2011-03-27 23:06:22 <luke-jr> so it's possible that someday there may be no full nodes
1982 2011-03-27 23:06:25 <Arkk> errr.. i got some question concerning BitCoin..
1983 2011-03-27 23:06:27 <luke-jr> and old data lost forever
1984 2011-03-27 23:06:50 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, just need everybody to agree on a new genesis block basically
1985 2011-03-27 23:06:57 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: no
1986 2011-03-27 23:06:58 <sipa> Arkk: if you ask it, we may be able to answer it
1987 2011-03-27 23:07:05 <sipa> Arkk: otherwise, i doubt it
1988 2011-03-27 23:07:15 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: or rather, partly true
1989 2011-03-27 23:07:39 <Arkk> okay.. ehm. i just got some donation and somehow I got another BitCion address, is this proper behavior?
1990 2011-03-27 23:07:40 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: it is quite possible for clients to automatically adjust their "genesis block" to the newest possible block
1991 2011-03-27 23:07:47 <sipa> Arkk: yes
1992 2011-03-27 23:07:56 <luke-jr> Arkk: you have an address for every transaction
1993 2011-03-27 23:08:07 <Arkk> so, is the old adress still valid or do I have to use the New one from now on?
1994 2011-03-27 23:08:13 <sipa> Arkk: sure, it remains valid forever
1995 2011-03-27 23:08:14 <luke-jr> Arkk: they never expire
1996 2011-03-27 23:08:22 <luke-jr> Arkk: you just can't tell who sent the money to it
1997 2011-03-27 23:08:30 <Arkk> that is good.
1998 2011-03-27 23:08:51 <luke-jr> so the only way to know if InvoiceX is paid, is if InvoiceX has a unique address
1999 2011-03-27 23:09:03 <Arkk> lets see if I have another question... but cant think of any xD
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2001 2011-03-27 23:09:11 <genjix> where did you hear about bitcoin?
2002 2011-03-27 23:09:32 <genjix> :)
2003 2011-03-27 23:09:42 <Arkk> Me? Hm, from some wiki
2004 2011-03-27 23:09:50 <genjix> k
2005 2011-03-27 23:10:13 <Arkk> stumbled upon it... The idea is great, but getting money is quite hard, imo.
2006 2011-03-27 23:10:22 <genjix> where you from?
2007 2011-03-27 23:10:30 <Arkk> germany o.o
2008 2011-03-27 23:10:42 <genjix> there's a eur exchange i think
2009 2011-03-27 23:10:46 <Weishaupt> hey genjix it's robtaylor309
2010 2011-03-27 23:10:56 <genjix> hey Weishaupt :)
2011 2011-03-27 23:11:03 <genjix> you got my email?
2012 2011-03-27 23:11:07 <Arkk> I know ^^ I have checked the bitcoin wiki a bit
2013 2011-03-27 23:11:09 <Weishaupt> yes!
2014 2011-03-27 23:11:14 <genjix> i was thinking Arkk was you :p
2015 2011-03-27 23:11:21 <tcatm> Arkk: there are some people in #bitcoin-otc who accept bank transfers. you might also want to join #bitcoin-de
2016 2011-03-27 23:12:01 <Arkk> channel #bitcoin-de on this server?
2017 2011-03-27 23:12:03 <Arkk> ok
2018 2011-03-27 23:12:06 <tcatm> yep
2019 2011-03-27 23:12:14 <genjix> Weishaupt: was interested in this idea of the bank
2020 2011-03-27 23:12:22 <genjix> is there a project/site?
2021 2011-03-27 23:12:54 <Arkk> :D
2022 2011-03-27 23:12:58 <Arkk> I thought that, too.
2023 2011-03-27 23:13:01 <Weishaupt> not yet, sent you an email back with more details. The bank would work within the existing central banking system, but would be operated in a way to drain deposits/customers from the big banks nobody likes
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2025 2011-03-27 23:13:37 <Arkk> Hm, if I'd say BitCoin would survive any currency, would ppl call me crazy? xD
2026 2011-03-27 23:13:38 <Weishaupt> very early phase right now, I'm just going to pitch the concept to some small bankers and get feedback on it
2027 2011-03-27 23:14:23 <genjix> ic
2028 2011-03-27 23:14:29 <tcatm> is there any news arcticle I might have missed today?
2029 2011-03-27 23:15:01 <genjix> tcatm: do you run bitcoincharts?
2030 2011-03-27 23:15:10 <tcatm> yep
2031 2011-03-27 23:15:20 <genjix> want to add Britcoin?
2032 2011-03-27 23:15:24 <tcatm> sure
2033 2011-03-27 23:15:34 <genjix> https://britcoin.co.uk/api/trades.php
2034 2011-03-27 23:15:51 <genjix> would that and getTrades.php be enough?
2035 2011-03-27 23:15:57 <genjix> (from mtgox api)
2036 2011-03-27 23:16:10 <tcatm> getTrades.php = trade history?
2037 2011-03-27 23:16:12 <genjix> site opened yesterday
2038 2011-03-27 23:16:12 <Arkk> another question: the time required to confirm an transaction (10 minutes), could it be, that this time is needed to generate -something- ?
2039 2011-03-27 23:16:18 <genjix> tcatm: yeah
2040 2011-03-27 23:16:31 <tcatm> what format? timestamp, price, volume?
2041 2011-03-27 23:16:37 <genjix> same as mtgox
2042 2011-03-27 23:16:41 <genjix> im copying their api
2043 2011-03-27 23:16:41 <tcatm> great
2044 2011-03-27 23:16:52 <tcatm> for bid/ask I need the complete orderbook
2045 2011-03-27 23:16:57 <sipa> Arkk: yes, it needs to be placed in a block, which is on average generated every 10 minues
2046 2011-03-27 23:17:01 <genjix> ok
2047 2011-03-27 23:17:03 <genjix> so is http://mtgox.com/code/data/getTrades.php enough?
2048 2011-03-27 23:17:44 <Arkk> so, the transaction is temporarily stored, then embedded into the next block? there are 6 blocks per hour, am I right?
2049 2011-03-27 23:17:51 <jgarzik> genjix: that's not an order book, that is completed trades
2050 2011-03-27 23:17:57 <jgarzik> genjix: order book is list of open bids, asks
2051 2011-03-27 23:18:02 <genjix> aha ok
2052 2011-03-27 23:18:12 <tcatm> genjix: http://mtgox.com/code/data/getDepth.php
2053 2011-03-27 23:18:15 <jgarzik> Arkk: on average
2054 2011-03-27 23:18:20 <genjix> ok
2055 2011-03-27 23:18:37 <tcatm> prepare those sites for a query every few seconds ;)
2056 2011-03-27 23:18:47 <jgarzik> Arkk: 10 minutes is a target, not an absolute requirement.  you might not find a hash for 10 hours.
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2058 2011-03-27 23:19:08 <Arkk> yeah, right now I run with 2000k -.-
2059 2011-03-27 23:19:15 <genjix> well i'll make it dynamic sql
2060 2011-03-27 23:19:50 <Arkk> i think, i am starting to figure out how bitcoin works.. a bit o.o
2061 2011-03-27 23:20:01 <sipa> Arkk: it's not 6 blocks per hour for everyone - it's 6 blocks per hour *combined* over the whole world
2062 2011-03-27 23:20:26 <Arkk> so, each hour, a new blocks pops out?
2063 2011-03-27 23:20:34 <nanotube> each 10 minutes or so
2064 2011-03-27 23:20:56 <Weishaupt> is there any strategy for mass adoption of bitcoin? most alternative currencies fizzle out because they never get to critical mass
2065 2011-03-27 23:20:57 <sipa> and the total network tries some 500 billion hashes per second
2066 2011-03-27 23:21:10 <sipa> Arkk: you're doing 2 million of those
2067 2011-03-27 23:21:20 <tcatm> found the cause for traffic spike: http://news.ycombinator.com :)
2068 2011-03-27 23:21:26 <Arkk> oh.. my bad xD
2069 2011-03-27 23:21:35 <xelister> sipa: bilion?
2070 2011-03-27 23:21:52 <Arkk> k=1000?
2071 2011-03-27 23:21:53 <sipa> xelister: 500GH/s = 500 billion hashes/s, right?
2072 2011-03-27 23:21:55 <Arkk> 2000000
2073 2011-03-27 23:21:59 <xelister> is it again silly americans with stupid missuse of "bilion" term?
2074 2011-03-27 23:22:55 <Arkk> well, if you know what the difference is, it is not hard to know what the numbers are
2075 2011-03-27 23:22:57 <sipa> in my language, biljoen means 10^12, in english billion means 10^9
2076 2011-03-27 23:23:18 <xelister> im my langauge billion is 10^12 too
2077 2011-03-27 23:23:23 <Arkk> same for me.
2078 2011-03-27 23:23:26 <sipa> there's unfortunately two conventions
2079 2011-03-27 23:23:31 <xelister> in americanfags language apparently it is 10^3 times smaller
2080 2011-03-27 23:23:49 <xelister> Why. They. Cant. Get. Nothing. Right.
2081 2011-03-27 23:24:02 <sipa> who decides what is right?
2082 2011-03-27 23:24:08 <Arkk> Million, Milliarde, Billion, Billiarde, and so on..
2083 2011-03-27 23:24:17 <sipa> there's just two conventions and some chose one, and some chose the other
2084 2011-03-27 23:24:30 <genjix> billion for me 10^9 :p
2085 2011-03-27 23:24:31 <xelister> sipa: logic
2086 2011-03-27 23:24:37 <xelister> logic shows that usafags are usually wrong
2087 2011-03-27 23:24:41 <xelister> let me give you example
2088 2011-03-27 23:24:41 <sipa> there's no logic in the meaning of words
2089 2011-03-27 23:24:47 <xelister> there is, look
2090 2011-03-27 23:24:56 <genjix> just to make sure: bid = how much you want to pay in $ per BTC
2091 2011-03-27 23:24:59 <sipa> there are some other things where your argument does apply, i think, eg. the date format
2092 2011-03-27 23:25:03 <genjix> ask = how much $ you want for BTC?
2093 2011-03-27 23:25:07 <genjix> correct?
2094 2011-03-27 23:26:02 <genjix> date; you mean MM/DD/YYYY for america, the world uses DD/MM/YYYY :)
2095 2011-03-27 23:26:21 <sipa> i use YYYY-MM-DD, but that's what i mean yes
2096 2011-03-27 23:26:24 <Arkk> DD/MM/YYYY with 24-hour clock here
2097 2011-03-27 23:26:30 <ArtForz> yes, world uses YYYY-MM-DD ;)
2098 2011-03-27 23:26:38 <xelister> ok, the billiong thing, Im not sure if either can be determined to be "better"
2099 2011-03-27 23:26:40 <Arkk> for UTC, right?
2100 2011-03-27 23:27:00 <LtBrenton> xelister, the US/UK [financial] use short-scale billions
2101 2011-03-27 23:27:01 <Arkk> regardless of interpretion: numbers are numbers ^^
2102 2011-03-27 23:27:04 <LtBrenton> everyone else uses long scale
2103 2011-03-27 23:27:06 <genjix> xelister: just use SI prefix
2104 2011-03-27 23:27:13 <xelister> but mm/dd/yyyy was obviously invented by a raging retard, IT MAKE NO SENSE what so ever in EITHER WAY YOU TRY TO READ IT wtf
2105 2011-03-27 23:27:15 <genjix> problem solved
2106 2011-03-27 23:27:33 <LtBrenton> MDY was a natural progression from speech
2107 2011-03-27 23:27:39 <genjix> i have $10G
2108 2011-03-27 23:27:48 <ArtForz> probably a ancestor of pdp programmers
2109 2011-03-27 23:27:48 <Arkk> guess what month this is 09/11/2011 xD
2110 2011-03-27 23:28:10 <xelister> thanks to usafags, when you look at
2111 2011-03-27 23:28:10 <LtBrenton> genjix, given you were just talking about SI...
2112 2011-03-27 23:28:13 <xelister> 06/03/05
2113 2011-03-27 23:28:16 <LtBrenton> would I take that to mean you have 10 thousand dollars
2114 2011-03-27 23:28:18 <LtBrenton> or 10 gigadollars?
2115 2011-03-27 23:28:23 <xelister> you have NO IDEA what THE FUCK it can POSSIBLY mean  -> 06/03/05
2116 2011-03-27 23:28:25 <genjix> gigadollars
2117 2011-03-27 23:28:27 <Arkk> on me its November -.-
2118 2011-03-27 23:28:29 <genjix> joke
2119 2011-03-27 23:28:35 <Arkk> or 01/01/01 xD
2120 2011-03-27 23:28:45 <sipa> the same can be said about the date system as a whole - weeks of 7 days, months of 28-29-30-31 days, days of 24 hours, hours of 60 minutes, minutes of 60 seconds, days of 86400 or 86401 seconds, and corrections all over the place... WTF?
2121 2011-03-27 23:28:48 <LtBrenton> Arkk: that'd be january 1st 2001 no matter which way around you parsed it
2122 2011-03-27 23:28:50 <xelister> Arkk: no, 01/01/01 is not a problem, Einstein
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2124 2011-03-27 23:28:51 <genjix> mysql strangely writes dates as MM/DD/YY but puts no /'s in
2125 2011-03-27 23:28:55 <Arkk> i guess 06/03/05 is 6th March 2005?
2126 2011-03-27 23:28:56 <ArtForz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_endian#Middle-endian
2127 2011-03-27 23:29:26 <jasonphd> jgarzik: in your poold.py script, you are altering the target in a way that I'm struggling to follow.  could you briefly explain what kind of transformation you are applying to it?
2128 2011-03-27 23:29:27 <xelister> even better,  on a cosmetic product
2129 2011-03-27 23:29:32 <LtBrenton> sipa, agreed - time/date system CAN be standardized to base-10 and should have been by now
2130 2011-03-27 23:29:35 <Arkk> the 01/01/01 was a joke
2131 2011-03-27 23:29:58 <xelister> "EXP DATE: 03 05 04"   WTF??? it can mean ANYTHING, there arent even charactes like '/' or '-' to hint it may be USA or EU originating format
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2133 2011-03-27 23:30:10 <ArtForz> also, why start counting at 1 ?
2134 2011-03-27 23:30:17 <genjix> sipa: well i think months are defined astronomically
2135 2011-03-27 23:30:23 <sipa> genjix: originally
2136 2011-03-27 23:30:24 <xelister> day[0].  // monday :[
2137 2011-03-27 23:30:24 <phantomcircuit> what're we talking about
2138 2011-03-27 23:30:26 <jgarzik> jasonphd: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Difficulty
2139 2011-03-27 23:30:32 <sipa> they synchronized with the moon's orbit
2140 2011-03-27 23:30:36 <xelister> lets messure time in bitcoin blocks \o/
2141 2011-03-27 23:30:37 <genjix> ic
2142 2011-03-27 23:30:39 <jgarzik> jasonphd: changing to difficulty of 1
2143 2011-03-27 23:30:42 <slush> how can be network hashrate calculated in TFLOP/s ? (bitcoinwatch)
2144 2011-03-27 23:30:43 <Arkk> our calender is gregorian.. in other words some pope decided to us that for now on.
2145 2011-03-27 23:31:00 <slush> the "F" means float, right?
2146 2011-03-27 23:31:06 <jgarzik> slush: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4689.msg68933#msg68933
2147 2011-03-27 23:31:20 <sipa> slush: assume the whole network consists of 5970's, count how many that would be, multiply by GFLOP/s rate of 5970?
2148 2011-03-27 23:31:22 <Arkk> Floating Point operation blah xD
2149 2011-03-27 23:31:41 <ArtForz> sipa: pretty much
2150 2011-03-27 23:31:50 <tcatm> sipa: I'll add a FAQ soon
2151 2011-03-27 23:32:01 <tcatm> s/sipa/slush/
2152 2011-03-27 23:32:27 <slush> thanks
2153 2011-03-27 23:32:40 * xelister imagines entire network consisting of 5970's...
2154 2011-03-27 23:32:42 * xelister moves a mouse
2155 2011-03-27 23:32:43 * xelister ENTIRE NETWORH JUST CRASHED
2156 2011-03-27 23:32:48 <xelister> thanks ati
2157 2011-03-27 23:32:51 <Arkk> xD
2158 2011-03-27 23:33:17 <jgarzik> tcatm: FYI the change bumped all ads off my visible page
2159 2011-03-27 23:33:20 <slush> tcatm: I also think that "unknown" should be "other", as we known a lot other big miners in  network :)
2160 2011-03-27 23:33:29 <jgarzik> tcatm: not a -problem- for me, but thought you should know :)
2161 2011-03-27 23:33:38 <tcatm> jgarzik: yep, that was intentional :)
2162 2011-03-27 23:33:59 <sipa> LtBrenton: i once imagined a date-system where the day-counting part and the year-counting part were independent (just like the week counting part is already independing up to the day counting, from the rest)
2163 2011-03-27 23:34:13 <Arkk> how many connections do you guys have for your bitCoin client?
2164 2011-03-27 23:34:18 <sipa> unfortunately, i doubt many people would want to switch :)
2165 2011-03-27 23:34:22 <tcatm> slush: good idea
2166 2011-03-27 23:34:30 <Arkk> lets count date and time in Unixtime or something
2167 2011-03-27 23:34:31 <xelister> Arkk: 50.  try config option to get more then 8  and also open firewall port
2168 2011-03-27 23:34:42 <ForceDestroyer> Hmm the GPU heats up to 105 °C ... also I can't use the computer 'cause it lags lol
2169 2011-03-27 23:34:48 <xelister> lololololololoolol
2170 2011-03-27 23:34:48 <Arkk> cant.. I am behind a NAT, where i have no access to it
2171 2011-03-27 23:34:52 slothbag10 has joined
2172 2011-03-27 23:34:53 <xelister> ForceDestroyer: you crazy dog.
2173 2011-03-27 23:34:57 <sipa> ForceDestroyer: that's too hot to run 24/7
2174 2011-03-27 23:35:08 <sipa> it shouldn't go over 90, i believe
2175 2011-03-27 23:35:21 <ArtForz> long term, 85
2176 2011-03-27 23:35:27 <slush> ForceDestroyer: Set fan speed manually, the built-in mechanism isn't good enough
2177 2011-03-27 23:35:32 <ForceDestroyer> It's a passively cooled one, so its specs go insanely high... still I kinda worry
2178 2011-03-27 23:35:40 <slush> oh
2179 2011-03-27 23:35:53 <ForceDestroyer> I could speed up case cooling manually... hm
2180 2011-03-27 23:37:49 <Beremat> meh, I've run my 4850 at 100C for years without problems :/
2181 2011-03-27 23:37:52 <Arkk> watch out, or your box might start hovering xD
2182 2011-03-27 23:38:16 <lfm> or koovering
2183 2011-03-27 23:38:28 <TD> could somebody with a handy gpu knock out a testnet block for me?
2184 2011-03-27 23:38:36 Zarutian has quit (Quit: Zarutian)
2185 2011-03-27 23:38:57 <ArtForz> yeah, my boxes like to hoover, have to clean the intake filters like once a week ;)
2186 2011-03-27 23:39:01 sprash has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2187 2011-03-27 23:39:04 <Weishaupt> any interest in coding a droid/iphone app? It would be really useful to transact with friends from anywhere. E.g. we're at a party and friends buy some good beer off me from their phone
2188 2011-03-27 23:39:11 <Arkk> lol
2189 2011-03-27 23:39:22 <TD> Weishaupt: it's being worked on for android
2190 2011-03-27 23:39:37 <jasonphd> jgarzik: so the difficulty you pass to the clients is really "ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff00000000" always, right?  does it change based on some factor?  is there a need to go through all of those calculations on each call?
2191 2011-03-27 23:39:46 <Arkk> I think, the new SAMSUNG mobile phones could use a widget for Bitcoin
2192 2011-03-27 23:39:58 <JFK911> samsung = brew?
2193 2011-03-27 23:40:12 <slush> TD:  mining
2194 2011-03-27 23:40:20 <Arkk> ?
2195 2011-03-27 23:40:35 <Weishaupt> TD: what about a mobile site for non-droid phones?
2196 2011-03-27 23:40:36 <TD> thanks
2197 2011-03-27 23:40:38 <genjix> tcatm: https://britcoin.co.uk/api/getDepth.php
2198 2011-03-27 23:40:52 <Arkk> Those widgets are pure made of HTML.. so I guess it would be hard to make one
2199 2011-03-27 23:40:59 <JFK911> oh
2200 2011-03-27 23:41:01 <genjix> tcatm: if there's any problems (like i made a mistake) then message me and I'll fix them.
2201 2011-03-27 23:41:02 <JFK911> Arkk: i was thinking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_Runtime_Environment_for_Wireless
2202 2011-03-27 23:41:04 <slush> TD: it's yours :)
2203 2011-03-27 23:41:08 <JFK911> theres also java stuff on phones
2204 2011-03-27 23:41:10 <TD> thankyou :-)
2205 2011-03-27 23:41:26 <Arkk> J2ME?
2206 2011-03-27 23:41:27 <CIA-96> bitcoin: genjix <fake@lol.u> * r795edb6597e6 intersango/www/api/getDepth.php: getDepth.php in API
2207 2011-03-27 23:41:38 <JFK911> yeah java me
2208 2011-03-27 23:41:48 <slush> TD: I like testnet, it's fun mining here :)
2209 2011-03-27 23:41:55 <TD> feel the power :-)
2210 2011-03-27 23:42:02 <slush> yep
2211 2011-03-27 23:42:13 <TD> Weishaupt: i think mybitcoin might support a mobile web ui
2212 2011-03-27 23:42:15 <tcatm> genjix: I'll add it once there's some data
2213 2011-03-27 23:42:25 <Arkk> JFK911: Ah, THAT Brew did you mean. Yes, samsung are some of those
2214 2011-03-27 23:42:31 <sipa> oh, people mining testnet?
2215 2011-03-27 23:42:33 * sipa joins in
2216 2011-03-27 23:42:41 <slush> sipa: only for testing
2217 2011-03-27 23:42:46 <sipa> of course :)
2218 2011-03-27 23:42:49 <slush> but I can you sell few thousands of testnet bitcoins :)
2219 2011-03-27 23:43:08 <slush> s/you sell/sell you/
2220 2011-03-27 23:43:14 <sipa> i've got a few hundred (self mined) testnet coins already too
2221 2011-03-27 23:43:43 <slush> I've earned around 2 BTC by selling testnet coins before ;)
2222 2011-03-27 23:43:57 <sipa> before or after reset?
2223 2011-03-27 23:44:02 <slush> before reset
2224 2011-03-27 23:44:08 * slush waving nanotube
2225 2011-03-27 23:44:15 <sipa> haha
2226 2011-03-27 23:44:25 <LtBrenton> you know what would be hilarious?
2227 2011-03-27 23:44:48 <LtBrenton> if testnet coins started getting traded for BTC and became a sorta bronze to the gold
2228 2011-03-27 23:44:49 <LtBrenton> :P
2229 2011-03-27 23:44:50 <genjix> ok tcatm
2230 2011-03-27 23:44:55 <sipa> LtBrenton: that happened
2231 2011-03-27 23:45:06 <sipa> before the reset, in a small amount
2232 2011-03-27 23:45:16 <slush> tell me when the alpaca socks will be available for testnet coins...
2233 2011-03-27 23:45:23 <sipa> haha
2234 2011-03-27 23:45:38 * slush bought alpaca socks yesterday
2235 2011-03-27 23:45:59 <LtBrenton> slush: here http://www.moronail.net/images/stories/dg_pictures/0904/1208.jpg
2236 2011-03-27 23:46:01 <tcatm> slush: how many testcoins have you got?
2237 2011-03-27 23:46:28 <jgarzik> jasonphd: that difficulty target never changes
2238 2011-03-27 23:46:38 <slush> tcatm: not sure, around 5k
2239 2011-03-27 23:46:39 <sipa> lol, i think those alpaca socks people are doing a great business, with all bitcoin nerds buying them for showing off "look what i bought with bitcoins!"
2240 2011-03-27 23:46:56 <slush> sipa: exactly :-D
2241 2011-03-27 23:47:04 <genjix> if bitcoin becomes big they'll become legends
2242 2011-03-27 23:47:06 <sipa> do they ship internationally?
2243 2011-03-27 23:47:09 <jgarzik> now I'm going to have to buy a pair...
2244 2011-03-27 23:47:12 <slush> sipa: yes
2245 2011-03-27 23:47:28 <tcatm> what about alpaca socks with the bitcoin logo?
2246 2011-03-27 23:48:12 <jasonphd> jgarzik: then why all the calculations to get that? why not hard code it?
2247 2011-03-27 23:48:37 <slush> sipa: I think it was first time recently when socks were slashdotted
2248 2011-03-27 23:48:56 <jgarzik> jasonphd: I'm not sure you're reading the code correctly
2249 2011-03-27 23:49:02 <jasonphd> probably not :)
2250 2011-03-27 23:49:13 <jgarzik> jasonphd: the pool server must verify that the submitted solution matches the desired target, by performing calculations
2251 2011-03-27 23:49:21 <tcatm> is http://blockexplorer.com/q/totalbc missing 50 BTC from genesis block?
2252 2011-03-27 23:49:23 <jgarzik> jasonphd: otherwise the submittor might be "lying"
2253 2011-03-27 23:50:18 <Arkk> maybe the missing 50 BTC are somewhere reserved? :D
2254 2011-03-27 23:50:32 <sipa> yes, satoshi has the key :)
2255 2011-03-27 23:50:39 <Arkk> or the genesis block does not count, since it was created like that
2256 2011-03-27 23:50:46 <sipa> it does count
2257 2011-03-27 23:50:48 <Weishaupt> genjix: gotta run! thanks for connecting - awesome project. Will read up and see if I can contribute.
2258 2011-03-27 23:50:57 <Meelu> are there any php bitcoin minin tools
2259 2011-03-27 23:51:07 <Arkk> so, satoshi has that 50 BTC? :D
2260 2011-03-27 23:51:13 <sipa> Meelu: you want to mine in php? :o
2261 2011-03-27 23:51:20 <sipa> Arkk: and a million others too, probably
2262 2011-03-27 23:51:24 <CIA-96> bitcoin: phantomcircuit <phantomcircuit@covertinferno.org> connector * rc5cd4c88b185 bitcoin-alt/bitcoin/storage.py: Revert "Moving away from sqlalchemy... too much magic"
2263 2011-03-27 23:51:25 <CIA-96> bitcoin: phantomcircuit <phantomcircuit@covertinferno.org> sqlalchemy * rf4ad575c074a bitcoin-alt/bitcoin/ (node.py scipt.py wallet/__init__.py): cleanup
2264 2011-03-27 23:51:26 <CIA-96> bitcoin: phantomcircuit <phantomcircuit@covertinferno.org> connector * rc7efffc18786 bitcoin-alt/.gitignore: gitignore
2265 2011-03-27 23:51:27 <CIA-96> bitcoin: phantomcircuit <phantomcircuit@covertinferno.org> sqlalchemy * r709ead8dc04a bitcoin-alt/bitcoin/ (peer.py storage.py): Removed pseudo events
2266 2011-03-27 23:51:27 <Meelu> im going to take advantage of some hosting services sipa
2267 2011-03-27 23:51:28 <Arkk> clogging some webservers xD
2268 2011-03-27 23:52:03 <ForceDestroyer> I can't find any temperature specs for the graphics card o.o
2269 2011-03-27 23:52:06 <sipa> Meelu: ok fine, but then please run a hand-optimized assembly miner instead of php
2270 2011-03-27 23:52:29 <sipa> you'd get what... 10 khash/s maybe, otherwise?
2271 2011-03-27 23:52:33 <lfm> forcedid you turn up your case fans?
2272 2011-03-27 23:52:34 <sipa> ;;bc,calc 10
2273 2011-03-27 23:52:35 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 10 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 939 years, 22 weeks, 6 days, 22 hours, 25 minutes, and 22 seconds
2274 2011-03-27 23:52:46 <slush> lol
2275 2011-03-27 23:52:52 <Arkk> lol.
2276 2011-03-27 23:52:55 <ForceDestroyer> lfm, I'm not running it @tm, I'm searching for temperature specs but cannot find any
2277 2011-03-27 23:52:56 <slush> bitcoins for future generation
2278 2011-03-27 23:53:07 <Meelu> for some reason my computer just started generating at 8 khash/s why
2279 2011-03-27 23:53:29 <Meelu> and its just confirming my transaction
2280 2011-03-27 23:53:31 <Meelu> more than ever
2281 2011-03-27 23:53:33 <Arkk> maybe its overheating? do you use windows?
2282 2011-03-27 23:53:40 <Meelu> maybe necause i just loaded it after some time?
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2284 2011-03-27 23:54:07 <Meelu> now its gone to 1800 and stoped confirming my transactions
2285 2011-03-27 23:54:10 <lfm> Meelu: ya, it is downloading the rest of the block chain
2286 2011-03-27 23:54:15 <Arkk> my transaction is still not confirmed. -.-
2287 2011-03-27 23:54:16 <Meelu> ;;bc,calc 1800
2288 2011-03-27 23:54:18 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1800 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 5 years, 11 weeks, 2 days, 23 hours, 27 minutes, and 28 seconds
2289 2011-03-27 23:54:32 <Meelu> damn
2290 2011-03-27 23:54:37 <Arkk> ;;bc, calc 2050
2291 2011-03-27 23:54:38 <gribble> Error: "bc," is not a valid command.
2292 2011-03-27 23:54:42 <lfm> Meelu: thats normal now
2293 2011-03-27 23:54:47 <Arkk> ;;bc,calc 2050
2294 2011-03-27 23:54:48 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 2050 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 4 years, 30 weeks, 2 days, 15 hours, 54 minutes, and 51 seconds
2295 2011-03-27 23:54:55 <Arkk> yay -.-
2296 2011-03-27 23:54:56 <genjix> cya Weishaupt
2297 2011-03-27 23:55:18 <slush> lfm: not so normal, there is only few unconfirmed txes; spam is almost gone
2298 2011-03-27 23:55:22 TD has quit (Quit: TD)
2299 2011-03-27 23:56:15 <Arkk> does the client even confirm transactions, when mining?
2300 2011-03-27 23:56:30 <slush> Arkk: you need to solve block to confirm some transactions
2301 2011-03-27 23:56:43 <Arkk> O_O
2302 2011-03-27 23:56:47 <genjix> not you but the network
2303 2011-03-27 23:57:25 <Arkk> so, one of the network has to solve the block, which will confirm my transaction in the same breath?
2304 2011-03-27 23:57:49 <genjix> yep
2305 2011-03-27 23:57:59 <slush> Arkk: here http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/ is list of unconfirmed transactions
2306 2011-03-27 23:58:09 <slush> when you send the new tx, you'll see it here
2307 2011-03-27 23:58:10 <genjix> so once your transaction is attached to a confirmed block, it gets 1 confirm
2308 2011-03-27 23:58:19 <Arkk> o.o a list! instant favorite!
2309 2011-03-27 23:58:25 <genjix> if someone makes a new block, you now have 2 confirms
2310 2011-03-27 23:58:32 <genjix> and so on...
2311 2011-03-27 23:58:35 <slush> as miners are solving blocks, they are picking transactions from this list and including them in their blocks...
2312 2011-03-27 23:59:03 <Arkk> cause each new block is based on the previous block, if the info matches, confirm +1 ?
2313 2011-03-27 23:59:13 <genjix> right
2314 2011-03-27 23:59:23 <genjix> ez peasy
2315 2011-03-27 23:59:34 <slush> Arkk: http://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000000c942da455d7092b0554072129c2c9f78e10d00193182f59c324c
2316 2011-03-27 23:59:40 <slush> this is example of one block
2317 2011-03-27 23:59:51 <Arkk> so the connections in the lower part of the client show, how many "solving" nodes I am connected to?