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4 2011-03-30 00:12:51 <jgarzik> a watched block never generates
5 2011-03-30 00:14:05 * jgarzik hacks ArtForz' python client to work with the new 'shy client' behavior
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8 2011-03-30 00:15:36 <sipa> jgarzik: ?
9 2011-03-30 00:16:26 <jgarzik> sipa: if I don't queue a version message, it just sits there
10 2011-03-30 00:18:54 <toffoo> hi, does anybody have a pre-compiled/installable version of PyOpenCL for OSX? Google didn't help me. I want to try m0mchil's poclbm miner but don't have Xcode installed on this Mac to build the PyOpenCL tar it needs.
11 2011-03-30 00:19:30 <jgarzik> recv msg_addr(addrs=[CAddress(nServices=5596411371 ip=0.0.255.255 port=54714)])
12 2011-03-30 00:19:35 <jgarzik> weird address on the P2P network
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17 2011-03-30 00:34:33 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,calc 11000000
18 2011-03-30 00:34:34 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 11000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 7 hours, 28 minutes, and 52 seconds
19 2011-03-30 00:37:52 <luke-jr> jgarzik: I wonder if it could be from my IPv6 branch malfunctioning?
20 2011-03-30 00:40:38 * jgarzik pokes miners to generate a block. Any miner.
21 2011-03-30 00:41:01 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, looks like a broadcast address
22 2011-03-30 00:41:10 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: erm, no it doesn't
23 2011-03-30 00:41:18 <luke-jr> it's not even a valid broadcast address
24 2011-03-30 00:43:02 <jgarzik> 40 minutes since last block. Murphy /would/ pick now, when I'm testing software on mainnet, to wait a while for block generation.
25 2011-03-30 00:43:34 <luke-jr> jgarzik: it seems to work that way when I'm waiting for blocks, at least
26 2011-03-30 00:43:36 <BurtyB> heh, we're doomed
27 2011-03-30 00:44:27 <phantomcircuit> cookies
28 2011-03-30 00:45:00 <phantomcircuit> anyways sqlalchemy keeps exploding on my ordered transaction_input/outputs list
29 2011-03-30 00:45:22 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,calc 1054859
30 2011-03-30 00:45:24 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1054859 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 3 days, 6 hours, and 54 seconds
31 2011-03-30 00:45:59 <phantomcircuit> WHERE transaction_outputs.position = ? AND transaction_outputs.transaction_hash IS NULL
32 2011-03-30 00:45:59 <phantomcircuit> PRIMARY KEY (position, transaction_hash),
33 2011-03-30 00:46:01 <phantomcircuit> facepalm
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36 2011-03-30 00:48:42 <luke-jr> jgarzik: ya got 2
37 2011-03-30 00:48:47 <jgarzik> yep
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43 2011-03-30 00:53:13 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,calc 1257710
44 2011-03-30 00:53:14 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1257710 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 2 days, 17 hours, 25 minutes, and 56 seconds
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47 2011-03-30 01:03:39 <jasonphd> jgarzik: the solution that is submitted to the pool server is one string of data that has all of this encoded within it? (int nVersion; uint256 hashPrevBlock; uint256 hashMerkleRoot; unsigned int nTime; unsigned int nBits; unsigned int nNonce;)
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49 2011-03-30 01:06:19 <jgarzik> jasonphd: plus some other bits, yes. but those are the 80 bytes that matter.
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52 2011-03-30 01:09:56 <jasonphd> are those items the first 80 characters of the string?
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57 2011-03-30 01:13:35 <jasonphd> jgarzik: are those items the first 80 characters of the string? if so, is there a sample function available that shows how to break it in to its component parts?
58 2011-03-30 01:15:16 <EPiSKiNG> is it possible to have two different model video cards in one computer for mining?
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60 2011-03-30 01:15:22 <EPiSKiNG> in windows 7 x64
61 2011-03-30 01:16:06 <phantomcircuit> oh wow
62 2011-03-30 01:16:11 <phantomcircuit> no wonder this doesn't work
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66 2011-03-30 01:16:42 <phantomcircuit> with sqlalchemy if you have a back reference it doesn't populate until you've actually put it in the db
67 2011-03-30 01:16:49 <phantomcircuit> which is too late for a merge
68 2011-03-30 01:16:53 <phantomcircuit> god that's dumb
69 2011-03-30 01:23:11 <EPiSKiNG> new catalyst drivers out today
70 2011-03-30 01:23:26 <EPiSKiNG> wonder if they're any better for mining
71 2011-03-30 01:26:39 <CIA-96> bitcoin: phantomcircuit <phantomcircuit@covertinferno.org> sqlite3 * radf0c71063c1 bitcoin-alt/bitcoin/ (peer.py storage.py): create statements and get_block/s
72 2011-03-30 01:26:40 <CIA-96> bitcoin: phantomcircuit <phantomcircuit@covertinferno.org> sqlite3 * r36507ab30f31 bitcoin-alt/bitcoin/storage.py: get_blocks
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75 2011-03-30 01:43:56 <yebyen> nanotube: they are basically like testnet coins, but I don't know how testnet coins are incompatible with the regular net or each other... these are most certainly incompatible
76 2011-03-30 01:44:24 <yebyen> nanotube: i set the block chain parameters to arbitrary settings myself
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78 2011-03-30 01:45:10 <yebyen> and since i have a couple hundred thousand of them
79 2011-03-30 01:45:27 <doublec> what do you use them for? testing?
80 2011-03-30 01:46:22 <EPiSKiNG> does GPU RAM speed affect MH/s??
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86 2011-03-30 02:04:00 <jasonphd> anyone know how to break apart a given solution string in to its component parts?
87 2011-03-30 02:05:15 <tcatm> what string?
88 2011-03-30 02:08:05 <jasonphd> the data that is submitted by a miner to the pool as a solution
89 2011-03-30 02:08:42 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|isn't that defined in the api?
90 2011-03-30 02:10:22 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|Hey i've been testing cpuminer, and I get pretty strange performance results...
91 2011-03-30 02:11:09 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|On an old Xeon (pre EM64T), the best algo is 4way, followed by crypto
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93 2011-03-30 02:11:24 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|On an old Xeon (pre EM64T), the best algo is 4way, followed by crypto<fill-in-blank)-adm then the non-asm one
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95 2011-03-30 02:12:37 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|then I went on ans tested on recent 64-bit Xeons, and strangely their best algorithms is the crypto-asm one from the 32-bit binaty compiled on the old xeon (-march=native)
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97 2011-03-30 02:14:26 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|on the old xeon, 4way is twice as fast as the default, and the the c crypto is noticably faster and the asm is between 4way and the c crypto.... on the new xeon the default algo is the 2nd best, and the others are slightly slower
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102 2011-03-30 02:16:10 <tcatm> jasonphd: hexstring -> binary -> split into 32bit values
103 2011-03-30 02:17:44 <lfm> dermoth|home: ya its startnge isnt it. all these x86 compatibles are different
104 2011-03-30 02:18:24 <lfm> wow thats an odd way to type strange
105 2011-03-30 02:18:28 <forrestv> luke-jr, thinking more about the running difficulty calculation, that makes the process memoryfull
106 2011-03-30 02:18:40 <forrestv> if each period is separate, it's memoryless
107 2011-03-30 02:18:50 <luke-jr> â¦
108 2011-03-30 02:18:56 <forrestv> but it being memoryful might need to oscillations or something ...
109 2011-03-30 02:19:22 <jasonphd> tcatm: thanks. do you know if the hex string is low nibble first or high nibble first?
110 2011-03-30 02:19:50 <forrestv> Â
111 2011-03-30 02:20:25 <tcatm> jasonphd: high first
112 2011-03-30 02:20:28 <forrestv> thoughts?
113 2011-03-30 02:20:29 <tcatm> i.e. left
114 2011-03-30 02:32:10 <forrestv> *memoryful, *lead. luke-jr, do you have any comment on that? >.<
115 2011-03-30 02:40:04 <roconnor> @hoogle runPut
116 2011-03-30 02:40:06 <roconnor> oops
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118 2011-03-30 02:46:46 <roconnor> in which order are the bytes of a hash transmitted?
119 2011-03-30 02:47:27 <tcatm> where?
120 2011-03-30 02:48:05 <bd_> roconnor: Typically byte orders are specified in the hash function's specification
121 2011-03-30 02:48:13 <roconnor> in say the fields of inv or block
122 2011-03-30 02:48:13 <bd_> You can treat the resulting digest as a byte vector
123 2011-03-30 02:49:03 <roconnor> the wiki gives an example where the double sha256 of "hello" is 9595c9df90075148eb06860365df33584b75bff782a510c6cd4883a419833d50
124 2011-03-30 02:49:18 <roconnor> how would that has be transmitted if it were the hash of a block
125 2011-03-30 02:49:26 <roconnor> in the inv hash field
126 2011-03-30 02:49:36 <bd_> Read left to right :)
127 2011-03-30 02:49:40 <roconnor> 95 first or 95 last?
128 2011-03-30 02:49:55 <bd_> Note: If this example is in arabic text, you may need to read right to left.
129 2011-03-30 02:50:21 <bd_> anyway - the sha256 hash spec specifies the byte order
130 2011-03-30 02:50:38 <bd_> So you just need to perform the hash, then dump the resulting blob of bytes, in the same order the hash produced, into the message
131 2011-03-30 02:52:12 * roconnor suspects bd_ is wrong but isn't sure
132 2011-03-30 02:53:23 <tcatm> roconnor: >>> bitcoin.ser_uint256(0x9595c9df90075148eb06860365df33584b75bff782a510c6cd4883a419833d50).encode("hex")
133 2011-03-30 02:53:27 <tcatm> '503d8319a48348cdc610a582f7bf754b5833df65038606eb48510790dfc99595'
134 2011-03-30 02:53:32 <luke-jr> forrestv: I call it BS âº
135 2011-03-30 02:53:44 <roconnor> tcatm: thanks. So it is reversed
136 2011-03-30 02:54:21 <bd_> Hm? Wait, bitcoin reverses it? Seriously? :|
137 2011-03-30 02:54:58 <bd_> lemme check the source here :)
138 2011-03-30 02:55:01 <forrestv> ah, yay.
139 2011-03-30 02:58:01 <bd_> The thing to watch out for is if converting a literal like that is how it packs the hash into the uint256 - instead of a memcpy or something... still trying to find where it does the conversion though
140 2011-03-30 02:58:14 <roconnor> tcatm: some of my hashes are correct but reversed, which is kinda screwing with my head at the moment :D
141 2011-03-30 02:58:14 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|well even on my athlon 64 x2, 4way is slightly faster from the 32bit binary than from the 64bit one... but the difference is negligible, I suspect the optimisation happens outside the actual code (and I used aggressive compile-time optimizations (except for -O2) on the 32bit binary)
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144 2011-03-30 03:01:23 <bd_> roconnor, tcatm: util.h, Hash() - it's treating the uint256 as a raw byte buffer
145 2011-03-30 03:01:26 * roconnor suspects that the byte order of hashes is getting messed up somewhere in the protocol
146 2011-03-30 03:01:26 <bd_> so it's not reversed
147 2011-03-30 03:01:42 <bd_> Your python example is inputting a numeric literal, which _does_ get reversed
148 2011-03-30 03:02:15 <roconnor> oh
149 2011-03-30 03:02:20 <roconnor> maybe bd_ is right
150 2011-03-30 03:02:25 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|and the 32-bit asm implementation is the closest one to the 4-way on my athlon 64... makes me wonder if an assembler version in 64bit could rival or even beat 4way on this cpu, which most likely doesn't benefit directly from 4way algo.
151 2011-03-30 03:04:03 <jasonphd> tcatm: once i've packed/unpacked the solution data and have a 31 element array, how do i know which element belongs to which variable (int nVersion; uint256 hashPrevBlock; uint256 hashMerkleRoot; unsigned int nTime; unsigned int nBits; unsigned int nNonce;)?
152 2011-03-30 03:06:39 <roconnor> bd_: okay, so the goal of mining is to get 0's at the end of the hash.
153 2011-03-30 03:06:43 <tcatm> jasonphd: 32bit nVersion, 256bit hashPrevBlock, 256bit hashMerkleRoot, 32bit nTime, 32bit nBits and 32bit nNonce
154 2011-03-30 03:07:26 <nanotube> yebyen: heh ic nice. :)
155 2011-03-30 03:07:45 <bd_> roconnor: No, it's to get the value (as interpreted as a little-endian 256-bit integer) below a certain value
156 2011-03-30 03:07:52 <bd_> er, to get the hash below it, rather
157 2011-03-30 03:08:10 <roconnor> ah
158 2011-03-30 03:08:12 <roconnor> okay
159 2011-03-30 03:08:22 <roconnor> bd_: thanks
160 2011-03-30 03:08:25 <roconnor> I'm sorry I doubted you
161 2011-03-30 03:08:51 <bd_> don't worry about it, endian issues can be tricky :)
162 2011-03-30 03:09:07 <bd_> If only intel had settled on big endian - the One True endianness... :|
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164 2011-03-30 03:11:31 * roconnor thinks his testnet coins have been "stolen" away from him :D
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169 2011-03-30 03:19:55 <JFK911> bd_: intel endian sux
170 2011-03-30 03:25:28 <luke-jr> w00t endian warz!
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182 2011-03-30 03:42:27 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|hummm it would be nice if bitcoin could be started in a way it communicates with bitcoind.... so I could launch the daemon on boot, and the gui would let me control it
183 2011-03-30 03:45:03 <tcatm> dermoth|home: try js-remote :)
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188 2011-03-30 03:49:18 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|tcatm, looks nice!
189 2011-03-30 03:49:22 <luke-jr> dermoth|home: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Wallet_protocol
190 2011-03-30 03:49:23 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|thanks
191 2011-03-30 03:49:35 <luke-jr> tcatm: how do you actually run js-remote?
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193 2011-03-30 03:49:59 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|luke-jr, looks like either within a webserver, or as a standalong webserver
194 2011-03-30 03:50:05 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|slandalone
195 2011-03-30 03:51:32 <luke-jr> dermoth|home: does it show your history of transactions?
196 2011-03-30 03:51:59 <tcatm> either via included SSLserver or using apache
197 2011-03-30 03:52:21 <tcatm> or hack your browser/bitcoind to accept RPC directly without a proxy
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199 2011-03-30 03:53:10 <luke-jr> tcatm: how do you maintain an up-to-date realtime display of transactions? or do you?
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201 2011-03-30 03:54:00 <tcatm> Yep, js-remote tries to update the transactions as fast as possible without using too much bandwidth or PCU
202 2011-03-30 03:54:32 <tcatm> the algorithm isn't perfect but works very well so far
203 2011-03-30 03:55:09 <jasonphd> tcatm: does this look live i've calculated it correctly? http://codepad.org/JNHILdba
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205 2011-03-30 03:55:55 <tcatm> jasonphd: you should reverse both hashes
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207 2011-03-30 03:56:20 <tcatm> at least when you display them
208 2011-03-30 03:56:39 <jasonphd> you mean hashPrevBlock and hashMerkleRoot?
209 2011-03-30 03:57:18 <tcatm> yep
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211 2011-03-30 03:57:44 <luke-jr> tcatm: so you too have a complex algorithm to poll listtransactions?
212 2011-03-30 03:58:15 <luke-jr> tcatm: yet you think JSON-RPC is just fine? :/
213 2011-03-30 03:58:18 <tcatm> luke-jr: basic algorithm: call getbalance 0 and check if it is different from previous call, then call txlist.refresh()
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218 2011-03-30 04:01:34 <tcatm> txlist.refresh() then requests n transactions (i.e. if the user starts scrolling you should increase n) and updates its internal transaction list. after that's done it sets timeout for next checkBalance() based on the time it took to process transaction list
219 2011-03-30 04:02:49 <luke-jr> tcatm: didn't think of getbalance hack :p
220 2011-03-30 04:03:15 <luke-jr> https://gitorious.org/bitcoin/spesmilo/blobs/master/cashier.py#line272
221 2011-03-30 04:03:20 <luke-jr> that's what we're doing right now
222 2011-03-30 04:03:34 <tcatm> It doesn't work well when you send and receive the same amount at the same time :/
223 2011-03-30 04:03:42 <tcatm> i.e. send to yourself
224 2011-03-30 04:04:40 <tcatm> https://github.com/tcatm/bitcoin-js-remote/blob/master/txlist.js txlist.refresh() is at the bottom
225 2011-03-30 04:04:49 <luke-jr> ah
226 2011-03-30 04:05:11 <tcatm> https://github.com/tcatm/bitcoin-js-remote/blob/master/bitcoinapp.js search for txlist.refresh to see where it is called
227 2011-03-30 04:05:37 <luke-jr> tcatm: spesmilo always maintains a complete list of all transactions
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230 2011-03-30 04:06:58 <tcatm> js-remote used to do that, too... until I tried it on my android device with >500 transactions
231 2011-03-30 04:07:01 <jasonphd> tcatm: from that little exercise that took me way longer than i would like to admit, i've come to the conclusion that I don't really know what it would take to defeat a cheater in a pool.... from previous conversations it was recommended to cache all submissions and don't allow duplicates until the next round, and for each submission check the "hashPrevBlock" to make sure it is correct.....
232 2011-03-30 04:07:27 <jasonphd> a cheater could easily cache all of his accepted submissions, when a new round starts just run those submissions through a quick script to update the "hashPrevBlock" and re-submit them all for some quick credit
233 2011-03-30 04:08:15 <luke-jr> tcatm: yeah⦠that's why I'm working on a new protocol :P
234 2011-03-30 04:08:21 <tcatm> luke-jr: suggestion: grab 5 times as many tx as you can show on the screen even if the window was fullscreen, then fetch more once the user starts scrolling
235 2011-03-30 04:08:29 <luke-jr> although my current workaround-mess shouldn't do TOO bad
236 2011-03-30 04:08:38 <jgarzik> jasonphd: no
237 2011-03-30 04:08:43 <jgarzik> jasonphd: the hash wouldn't match
238 2011-03-30 04:09:03 <luke-jr> tcatm: it just loads the full list at startup, then like 8 every second to check for new ones
239 2011-03-30 04:09:09 <jgarzik> jasonphd: each block is uniquely identified by sha256(sha256(data)), so you cannot change contents and have the same hash result
240 2011-03-30 04:09:14 <luke-jr> (and if it doesn't see at least the last old one, it tries again with 16)
241 2011-03-30 04:11:27 <tcatm> luke-jr: I should merge my python client with spesmilo :)
242 2011-03-30 04:11:32 <jasonphd> jgarzik: see this data where i've broken the submission in to its component parts http://codepad.org/JNHILdba ... what part of the submission is the hash that could be checked?
243 2011-03-30 04:11:50 <luke-jr> tcatm: didn't know you had one
244 2011-03-30 04:12:06 <luke-jr> tcatm: Spesmilo does support TBC though-- if that's a problem :p
245 2011-03-30 04:12:15 <jgarzik> jasonphd: hashPrevBlock changes for each block
246 2011-03-30 04:12:25 <tcatm> it's only a lib but it's capable of sending and receiving TX (and keeps a blockchain)
247 2011-03-30 04:12:39 <jgarzik> jasonphd: thus, a new block invalidates all submissions, because workers will submit an out-of-date hashPrevBlock
248 2011-03-30 04:12:41 <tcatm> It could even serve as a very simple getwork server :)
249 2011-03-30 04:12:43 <luke-jr> tcatm: oh, so it's a Wallet?
250 2011-03-30 04:13:01 <luke-jr> IMO, that doesn't belong in the same codebase as a User Interface :p
251 2011-03-30 04:13:42 <tcatm> That's was missing. It doesn't store a wallet yet.
252 2011-03-30 04:13:55 <jasonphd> jgarzik: but if a worker kept his own copy of all submissions, waiting for the next block so that hashPrevBlock would have changed, then runs his copies of submissions through a script to only change the hashPrevBlock part of the submission, and then re-submits to the pool?
253 2011-03-30 04:13:58 <jgarzik> tcatm: does it handle block chain reorg?
254 2011-03-30 04:14:03 <tcatm> jgarzik: yep
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256 2011-03-30 04:14:45 <jgarzik> jasonphd: see above. that changes the double-sha256 hash.
257 2011-03-30 04:14:57 <jgarzik> jasonphd: and it also won't match the merkle or any of the other details
258 2011-03-30 04:15:22 <luke-jr> tcatm: oh, so just a Peer
259 2011-03-30 04:15:24 <jasonphd> jgarzik: so you take the entire data that is submitted and double-sha256 hash it, but then what do you compare it to?
260 2011-03-30 04:15:41 <jgarzik> jasonphd: target
261 2011-03-30 04:16:13 <jgarzik> jasonphd: I think you're still fundamentally missing piece about how mining works, and what's in those data structures
262 2011-03-30 04:16:29 <jasonphd> if double-sha256-hash(data) < target then OK?
263 2011-03-30 04:17:24 <jgarzik> jasonphd: "sha256(sha256(data)) < target" is the fundamental proof-of-work algorithm of bitcoin
264 2011-03-30 04:17:38 <luke-jr> jasonphd: sha256(sha256(lastBlockHash+time+data)) < target
265 2011-03-30 04:18:12 <forrestv> why not something like sha256(sha256(data)) % difficulty == 0?
266 2011-03-30 04:18:16 <jgarzik> jasonphd: but for a proxying pool server, you must check that 'data' matches something your bitcoind would accept, if 'target' were larger
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268 2011-03-30 04:20:56 <jasonphd> thanks for your help.
269 2011-03-30 04:21:01 <luke-jr> forrestv: isn't that the same if you invert the hash?
270 2011-03-30 04:21:36 <CIA-96> bitcoin: phantomcircuit <phantomcircuit@covertinferno.org> sqlalchemy * rc29b282bb2dc bitcoin-alt/bitcoin/ (__init__.py peer.py storage.py): improved foreignkeys for transaction_inputs/outputs
271 2011-03-30 04:21:38 <CIA-96> bitcoin: phantomcircuit <phantomcircuit@covertinferno.org> sqlalchemy * r44b81b2afa16 bitcoin-alt/bitcoin/peer.py: removed extraneous TODO
272 2011-03-30 04:21:39 <CIA-96> bitcoin: phantomcircuit <phantomcircuit@covertinferno.org> sqlite3 * r6418f7a6e135 bitcoin-alt/bitcoin/ (__init__.py storage.py): implemented storage for bulk
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274 2011-03-30 04:21:52 <forrestv> luke-jr, invert the hash?
275 2011-03-30 04:22:05 <luke-jr> forrestv: endian flip
276 2011-03-30 04:22:24 <forrestv> ah ... no?
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285 2011-03-30 04:46:02 <luke-jr> forrestv: well, for powers of 2 anyhow
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290 2011-03-30 04:53:35 <forrestv> 4 timestamp uint32_t A timestamp recording when this block was created (Limited to 2106!)
291 2011-03-30 04:53:42 <forrestv> what does 'limited to 2016' mean here?
292 2011-03-30 04:53:54 <lfm> forrestv: something like that could be an alternative "proof of work" (more like (difficulty *2^32) % hash == 0 actually but the same idea)
293 2011-03-30 04:53:54 <forrestv> is the timestamp the block index within the difficulty period ... ?
294 2011-03-30 04:54:39 <lfm> timestamp is just a timestamp
295 2011-03-30 04:55:02 <forrestv> then wtf does '(Limited to 2106!)' mean? :p
296 2011-03-30 04:55:11 <manveru> forrestv: sounds like the year
297 2011-03-30 04:55:21 <forrestv> ohh.
298 2011-03-30 04:55:24 <grbgout> hey manveru, how's that bank coming? :)
299 2011-03-30 04:55:39 <forrestv> How often does the difficulty change? Every 2016 blocks.
300 2011-03-30 04:55:40 <manveru> >> Time.at(2 ** 32)
301 2011-03-30 04:55:42 <manveru> => 2106-02-07 15:28:16 +0900
302 2011-03-30 04:55:44 <forrestv> similarity confused me
303 2011-03-30 04:56:01 <lfm> well the blocks are numbered from the zero block (the genesis block) and every 2016 blocks from there the difficulty is recomputed
304 2011-03-30 04:56:51 <forrestv> lfm, why do you think your proof of work formula is better? it doesn't make sense to reverse the hash and difficulty like you did ..
305 2011-03-30 04:57:32 <forrestv> if (difficulty * 2^32) happened to be prime (i know it can't be, but another constant could be used) there would be no solution to that
306 2011-03-30 04:57:33 <lfm> forrestv: oops ya, you are right, I was just meaning to add the 2^32 factor
307 2011-03-30 04:57:41 <forrestv> ah, okay :)
308 2011-03-30 04:57:51 <EPiSKiNG> damn.. this 5970 is maxing out my wimpy x2 555
309 2011-03-30 04:58:03 <EPiSKiNG> both cores are 100% always
310 2011-03-30 04:58:13 <EPiSKiNG> I even overclocked it
311 2011-03-30 04:58:24 <EPiSKiNG> poclbm-gui
312 2011-03-30 04:58:26 <lfm> EPiSKiNG: what sdk are you using?
313 2011-03-30 04:58:35 <EPiSKiNG> 2.2 i believe
314 2011-03-30 04:58:39 <EPiSKiNG> what's the best way to check?
315 2011-03-30 04:59:01 <lfm> find the install file
316 2011-03-30 04:59:15 <EPiSKiNG> yah, 2.2
317 2011-03-30 04:59:27 <lfm> maybe try 2.1
318 2011-03-30 05:00:09 <EPiSKiNG> I guess I could!
319 2011-03-30 05:00:12 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|well I just managed to get the sse2_64 run on the newer xeons, and it well over twice as fast! yay!
320 2011-03-30 05:00:29 <EPiSKiNG> mh/s yet?
321 2011-03-30 05:00:36 <lfm> EPiSKiNG: your cpu should be near idle. people run multiple 5790 on semprons
322 2011-03-30 05:00:48 <EPiSKiNG> wierd...
323 2011-03-30 05:01:12 <lfm> dermoth|home: wtg
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325 2011-03-30 05:02:08 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|they should offer a binary version, because only very recent distros have the required yasm version for it
326 2011-03-30 05:02:28 <grbgout> you can always grab yasm manually...
327 2011-03-30 05:02:31 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|;;bc,calc 22877.12
328 2011-03-30 05:02:31 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 22877.12 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 21 weeks, 2 days, 21 hours, 15 minutes, and 47 seconds
329 2011-03-30 05:02:39 <lfm> ya, you can always upgrade the yasm tho
330 2011-03-30 05:02:55 <grbgout> dermoth|home: you're getting 22877.12 with a CPU?
331 2011-03-30 05:03:07 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|I didn't even realize originally that I was missing an also
332 2011-03-30 05:03:16 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|grbgout, no there's 8 cores :)
333 2011-03-30 05:03:43 <grbgout> I get 21250 with a GeForce GT 240 >_<
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335 2011-03-30 05:05:34 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|and according to the benchmarks some ati go over 600,000
336 2011-03-30 05:05:49 <lfm> yup
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340 2011-03-30 05:06:57 <grbgout> I missed out on an auction for an HD 4890 that closed for only $70. Not the best card, obviously, but it has roughly 10 times the Streaming Processors that my GT 240 has :\
341 2011-03-30 05:08:01 <lfm> 4xxx arnt the best power consumption / hash either
342 2011-03-30 05:08:06 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|how many of them can you technically put on a single PCI bus?
343 2011-03-30 05:08:31 <grbgout> dermoth|home: depends on what you have available, most HD cards are PCIe x16, if you have enough slots you can fill'em.
344 2011-03-30 05:08:34 <lfm> dermoth|home: mainly software limited I think. like 4 or 8
345 2011-03-30 05:08:56 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|I mean with a custol pci bus, mow many can run in parallel
346 2011-03-30 05:08:59 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|custom
347 2011-03-30 05:09:25 <grbgout> dermoth|home: check out what this guy did for breaking md5s: http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=42
348 2011-03-30 05:09:26 <lfm> dermoth|home: depends if its mswin or linux too
349 2011-03-30 05:09:31 <grbgout> how are you going to make your custom pci bus?
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351 2011-03-30 05:09:59 <lfm> you can get extention boxes for pcie
352 2011-03-30 05:11:17 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|1230 Watt at full load - yay
353 2011-03-30 05:11:28 <grbgout> lfm: do you have any detailed resources on the power consumption of the various cards? A comparative look would be ideal.
354 2011-03-30 05:11:31 <grbgout> 1230 isn't bad
355 2011-03-30 05:11:32 <lfm> ya that becomes a limit too
356 2011-03-30 05:12:01 <grbgout> http://golubev.com/gpuest.htm is what I've been looking to for SP:clock comparison, and of course the AMD card specification pages themselves.
357 2011-03-30 05:12:15 <lfm> grbgout: I think wikipaedia has comparative power consumption for gpu cards
358 2011-03-30 05:12:16 <grbgout> but I haven't found (or looked) a power consumption comparison resource yet.
359 2011-03-30 05:12:19 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|not too much of a problem as they have individual power feeds.. you could even add external power supplies I guess
360 2011-03-30 05:12:23 <grbgout> i'll check it out
361 2011-03-30 05:12:52 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|or wire it to your stationary bike's dynamo :)))
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363 2011-03-30 05:13:03 <roconnor> isn't 32bits for the nonce in block kinda small?
364 2011-03-30 05:13:06 <grbgout> I'm thinknig about bidding on a 5830 auction, which is currently at ~94$
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366 2011-03-30 05:15:13 <jgarzik> roconnor: there is also ntime and extranonce
367 2011-03-30 05:15:14 <lfm> roconnor: sorta but there is an extra-nonce in the coinbase txn
368 2011-03-30 05:15:36 <roconnor> is extra-nonce hidden in the script?
369 2011-03-30 05:15:50 <grbgout> what script?
370 2011-03-30 05:16:09 <roconnor> where is extra-nonce?
371 2011-03-30 05:16:11 <lfm> roconnor: sorta ya, the txn input script
372 2011-03-30 05:17:10 * roconnor doesn't see it in https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Script
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374 2011-03-30 05:19:25 <lfm> roconnor: its not there, the coinbase input script is different from those
375 2011-03-30 05:19:47 <roconnor> gah
376 2011-03-30 05:19:52 <roconnor> where is that documented?
377 2011-03-30 05:22:17 <lfm> if you look at http://blockexplorer.com/t/3mdsJNz4aR it is part of the input(s) script. I think I figured out what was in it from the bitcoin source
378 2011-03-30 05:22:35 <roconnor> ah oops
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385 2011-03-30 05:26:55 <jgarzik> rcorreia_: IncrementExtraNonce()
386 2011-03-30 05:27:01 <jgarzik> roconnor: ^^
387 2011-03-30 05:27:17 <lfm> close
388 2011-03-30 05:27:21 <jgarzik> pblock->vtx[0].vin[0].scriptSig = CScript() << pblock->nBits << CBigNum(nExtraNonce);
389 2011-03-30 05:28:48 <EPiSKiNG> i uninstalled stream 2.2 and am trying 2.1 to see if it saves on my CPU usage
390 2011-03-30 05:28:55 <lfm> yup, thats the critical clue
391 2011-03-30 05:29:08 <EPiSKiNG> but now that i have 2.1 poclbm-gui is telling me i don't have an opencl card
392 2011-03-30 05:29:21 <roconnor> ?
393 2011-03-30 05:29:29 <lfm> EPiSKiNG: what model card is it again?
394 2011-03-30 05:30:12 <EPiSKiNG> 5970
395 2011-03-30 05:30:51 <lfm> its spozed to work on 2.1
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398 2011-03-30 05:34:12 <EPiSKiNG> here's the error log: http://pastebin.com/9NyWuUtd
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401 2011-03-30 05:37:42 <EPiSKiNG> windows 7 x64
402 2011-03-30 05:38:42 <Validus> i had to get sdk 2.2 on win7
403 2011-03-30 05:38:45 <Validus> and i have a 4550
404 2011-03-30 05:38:48 <Validus> iirc
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406 2011-03-30 05:39:47 <lfm> EPiSKiNG: are the environment vars set right? could be Validus is right
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408 2011-03-30 05:40:24 <Validus> somewhere on the forums i member seeing a open cl 2.1 but it was a .deb. im almost positive i installed 2.2 ill check
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410 2011-03-30 05:40:59 <lfm> Validus: he had 2.2 running but the cpu utilization was high
411 2011-03-30 05:41:21 <Validus> was he running it on the cpu?
412 2011-03-30 05:42:06 <lfm> oh the unit 0 = cpu unit 1 = gpu thing?
413 2011-03-30 05:42:21 <Validus> yep i can select which i want
414 2011-03-30 05:42:31 <Validus> i have 2.1 and it failed so i installed 2.2
415 2011-03-30 05:42:38 <Validus> i see both dir's in my ati folder
416 2011-03-30 05:43:02 <Validus> and i d/led the latest catalyst by itself from amd
417 2011-03-30 05:43:14 <lfm> EPiSKiNG: ok I might have misled you, sorry
418 2011-03-30 05:43:53 <EPiSKiNG> lfm?
419 2011-03-30 05:44:03 <EPiSKiNG> did you see the error log i posted?
420 2011-03-30 05:44:10 <EPiSKiNG> thats from poclbm-gui
421 2011-03-30 05:44:41 <lfm> EPiSKiNG: ya I looked, I cant tell what is wrong there
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423 2011-03-30 05:46:43 <EPiSKiNG> I think i'm going to install 2.4
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428 2011-03-30 05:53:23 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|in https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison, cof cpu what does p/t means? it looks like p = core per cpu, and t == total threads (threads per cpu * number of cpu)
429 2011-03-30 05:53:54 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|otherwise, either I don't get what it means or some info is wrong
430 2011-03-30 05:54:05 <grbgout> what do you guys think about an HD 5830 for $94?
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432 2011-03-30 05:54:32 <Validus> ate up all my resources hehe
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434 2011-03-30 05:55:20 <lfm> grbgout: I think the 5830 is rather high power consumption iirc
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436 2011-03-30 05:55:53 <grbgout> lfm: that reminds me, I still need to hit wikipedia as per your recommendation. high power, but 1120 SP. My GT 240 only has 94 :)
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444 2011-03-30 06:01:32 <CIA-96> bitcoin: phantomcircuit <phantomcircuit@covertinferno.org> sqlite3 * re8d40c772ada bitcoin-alt/bitcoin/ (peer.py storage.py): more movement...
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451 2011-03-30 06:08:39 <grbgout> oh noez. Another auction, this one for an HD 5850 for $80, but it closes in 4 days! The auction for the 5830 cloes in 47 minutes, but $94 :)
452 2011-03-30 06:08:43 <grbgout> what to do, what to do.
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454 2011-03-30 06:10:22 <roconnor> okay, I see that the signature script for bitcoin generation just contains a bunch of random values.
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457 2011-03-30 06:10:44 <grbgout> roconnor: are you talking about the official bitcoin client?
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461 2011-03-30 06:10:56 <roconnor> I'm talking about the bitcoin protocol
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465 2011-03-30 06:21:06 <dermoth> home!~thomas@169-79.162.dsl.aei.ca|regarding p/t in the Mining_hardware_comparison page... turns out I was looking at the one wrong entry - model didn't match speed and number of threads
466 2011-03-30 06:25:21 <grbgout> lfm: somewhat dated, but still interesting: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-radeon-power,2122-3.html
467 2011-03-30 06:30:59 <midnightmagic> renderer was wrong. but oh well.
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473 2011-03-30 06:52:09 <EPiSKiNG> WIERD!! I just installed the 11.3 Catalyst drivers for my 5970, and now poclbm only shows one GPU
474 2011-03-30 06:52:34 <[Tycho]> Installing new drivers is bad :)
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480 2011-03-30 07:05:51 <EPiSKiNG> got it figured out
481 2011-03-30 07:07:50 <taco_the_paco> gotta agree there [Tycho]
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490 2011-03-30 07:22:30 <da2ce7> Please Comment and Expand: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Secure_Trading
491 2011-03-30 07:28:10 <ersi> da2ce7: Maybe link to https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Securing_your_wallet ?
492 2011-03-30 07:28:22 <da2ce7> yep :)
493 2011-03-30 07:34:29 <ersi> Oh, you had a link there. Missed it somehow:)
494 2011-03-30 07:39:22 <da2ce7> :)
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496 2011-03-30 07:46:44 <mizerydearia> spread the word: http://organizations.witcoin.com/p/861/Serco-The-Biggest-Company-Youve-Never-Heard-Of
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499 2011-03-30 07:50:45 <da2ce7> can we please have a wiki backup torrent
500 2011-03-30 07:50:48 <da2ce7> that we can share arround.
501 2011-03-30 07:50:50 <da2ce7> :?
502 2011-03-30 07:51:19 <da2ce7> so anyone can start up a backup of the bitcoin wiki if it gets taken down.
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505 2011-03-30 07:54:19 <Aciid> da2ce7: how u think it will be taken down?
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507 2011-03-30 07:56:13 <Aciid> da2ce7: ill make a dump right now
508 2011-03-30 07:56:19 <Aciid> ill update it then weeklly
509 2011-03-30 07:56:57 <da2ce7> I dont' know, there are many ways it could be taken down.
510 2011-03-30 07:57:16 <da2ce7> would be good to upload it to freenet as a freesite also.
511 2011-03-30 07:57:22 <da2ce7> maybe I could do that project.
512 2011-03-30 07:57:41 <Aciid> where you want me to upload this
513 2011-03-30 07:57:52 <Aciid> once its done
514 2011-03-30 07:57:56 <Aciid> S3?
515 2011-03-30 07:58:20 <da2ce7> hmm, i was thinking jsut having a torrent link on the front page of the wiki.
516 2011-03-30 07:58:28 <da2ce7> just host the torrent on the wiki
517 2011-03-30 07:58:45 <da2ce7> that means everyone can download it when they want.
518 2011-03-30 07:58:46 <Aciid> its kinda stupid, since the wiki gets update
519 2011-03-30 07:58:48 <Aciid> t
520 2011-03-30 07:58:49 <Aciid> d
521 2011-03-30 07:58:51 <Aciid> all the time
522 2011-03-30 07:59:03 <Aciid> I can tar.gz it to some CDN
523 2011-03-30 07:59:19 <da2ce7> how big is it?
524 2011-03-30 07:59:38 <Aciid> 10mb or so
525 2011-03-30 07:59:40 <Aciid> its mostly text
526 2011-03-30 07:59:44 <Aciid> but its pure html
527 2011-03-30 07:59:47 <da2ce7> cool
528 2011-03-30 08:00:07 <da2ce7> great! that would be good for making a free site.
529 2011-03-30 08:00:15 <da2ce7> I'll insert it once a week into freenet
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531 2011-03-30 08:01:14 <ersi> Nothing wrong with a weekly backup or so
532 2011-03-30 08:01:43 <xelister> da2ce7: yeap, pushing to Freenet would be cool
533 2011-03-30 08:02:07 <xelister> da2ce7: if you do, you can also link to our spec USK@oG7cGoUEBuHyulWpcmqV0yc-I569Re2A7RRs8zRljEs,IWIcXczmLdP9FEjTvoxJgGnXnK5~PxOppN-wYSADPWQ,AQACAAE/bitcoin-over-freenet/0/ it will be updated soon
534 2011-03-30 08:02:31 <da2ce7> cool :)
535 2011-03-30 08:02:39 <da2ce7> I'll make a page in the wiki
536 2011-03-30 08:02:44 <xelister> for mirroring sites into freenet, scripts really should exist afair
537 2011-03-30 08:02:46 <Aciid> da2ce7: jabber?
538 2011-03-30 08:02:49 <xelister> best automate it
539 2011-03-30 08:03:41 <da2ce7> yeah, know of any good freenet scripts?
540 2011-03-30 08:03:57 <xelister> hmm ask #freenet or FMS?
541 2011-03-30 08:04:19 <xelister> actually can jSite be invoked cmd line? if yes, then I say, make .xml of project using jSite, then just wget the site and execute jSite
542 2011-03-30 08:04:29 <xelister> if no... then well there is source code for it =)
543 2011-03-30 08:06:08 <Aciid> da2ce7: do you have a jabber account?
544 2011-03-30 08:06:21 <da2ce7> ah, yeah. but I normaly use pgp email...
545 2011-03-30 08:06:39 <Aciid> thats fine too
546 2011-03-30 08:06:45 <Aciid> h/o ill get the necessary plugins
547 2011-03-30 08:07:06 <da2ce7> http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php
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550 2011-03-30 08:17:06 <Aciid> I dunno did that even went right
551 2011-03-30 08:17:16 <Aciid> fcn enigmail
552 2011-03-30 08:17:57 <Aciid> da2ce7: it didn't ask with whoms key I want to encrypt
553 2011-03-30 08:18:42 <da2ce7> if you have my key in your keypool, and you have set it up to it will automatiacly encrypt mail to me.
554 2011-03-30 08:19:09 <Aciid> I did import it
555 2011-03-30 08:19:15 <Aciid> well we shall see soon
556 2011-03-30 08:19:43 <Aciid> sent
557 2011-03-30 08:22:38 <da2ce7> yep got it, was encripted
558 2011-03-30 08:22:50 <Aciid> did u get to open it with your own key?
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579 2011-03-30 08:39:10 <Aciid> da2ce7: ?
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582 2011-03-30 08:40:51 <da2ce7> back, had dinner
583 2011-03-30 08:46:24 <Aciid> check can you get it unencrypted
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585 2011-03-30 08:46:30 <Aciid> coz I have no idea did it work
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597 2011-03-30 09:41:27 <mizerydearia> more votes needed!!!!! http://slashdot.org/submission/1513876/Bitcoin-a-service-and-the-micro-micro-economy
598 2011-03-30 09:42:20 <mizerydearia> discussion: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5167.msg75431#msg75431
599 2011-03-30 09:50:30 <mizerydearia> It's on the front page http://news.ycombinator.com/
600 2011-03-30 09:50:44 <mizerydearia> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2386392
601 2011-03-30 09:51:15 <mizerydearia> woo, 7th place so far
602 2011-03-30 09:57:22 <Spenvo> a SMART comment that poses a real question would REALLY help it. "haha that's interesting" is no good
603 2011-03-30 09:58:02 <mizerydearia> Spenvo, Are you asking for something?
604 2011-03-30 09:59:19 <Spenvo> mmk, so we need an intelligent discussion to take place on Hacker News. It's up on the front page, but there are no comments http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2386392
605 2011-03-30 09:59:28 <Diablo-D3> jesus christ
606 2011-03-30 09:59:30 <Diablo-D3> does everyone use hn now
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608 2011-03-30 10:01:15 <sipa> hn?
609 2011-03-30 10:01:22 <Diablo-D3> hacker news
610 2011-03-30 10:01:29 * sipa needs coffee
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614 2011-03-30 10:12:41 <da2ce7> ;;bc,mtgox
615 2011-03-30 10:12:42 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.7997,"low":0.7648,"vol":4520,"buy":0.79,"sell":0.795,"last":0.79}}
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617 2011-03-30 10:22:26 <Aciid> da2ce7: did it work
618 2011-03-30 10:22:36 <da2ce7> YA
619 2011-03-30 10:22:45 <da2ce7> inserting it to freenet now
620 2011-03-30 10:22:52 <Aciid> =)
621 2011-03-30 10:23:04 <da2ce7> CHK@6O-EgF8YUODGhq66dcslTsmxLIbht8ZL4YnpzuKiRHM,G4dY5kv0P5BVBeKfUCJRTby7DH6zP58QQMCMMdpTJL8,AAIC--8/bitcoin30032011.7z?max-size=4986701
622 2011-03-30 10:23:33 <da2ce7> should try downloading that file :)
623 2011-03-30 10:23:58 * da2ce7 makes "Freenet Backups" page on wiki.
624 2011-03-30 10:24:08 <Aciid> ill try sometime
625 2011-03-30 10:24:12 <Aciid> tryin to tackle python now
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636 2011-03-30 11:30:31 <BlueMatt> how the fuck did bitcoin -daemon daemonize on win32 on 0.3.18? I see no code changes that could have effected it between now and then
637 2011-03-30 11:32:19 <tcatm> BlueMatt: IIRC 0.3.18 was compiled using MSVC++ on win
638 2011-03-30 11:35:01 <BlueMatt> tcatm: iirc when I compiled a version from dec 2010 last night on mingw, it daemonized
639 2011-03-30 11:35:11 <tcatm> ok that's strange
640 2011-03-30 11:35:18 <BlueMatt> but for some reason bitcoind -daemon doesnt daemonize like bitocin -daemon does
641 2011-03-30 11:35:36 <BlueMatt> yea tell me about it
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643 2011-03-30 11:36:48 <tcatm> I tried to clean up init.cpp but I *think* bitcoin.exe on windows uses a completely different entry point than bitcoind or bitcoin on linux.
644 2011-03-30 11:37:10 <tcatm> does git HEAD daemonize on windows?
645 2011-03-30 11:40:49 <BlueMatt> no
646 2011-03-30 11:40:55 <BlueMatt> git HEAD doesnt build bitcoind on windows
647 2011-03-30 11:41:05 <BlueMatt> or bitcoin.exe
648 2011-03-30 11:41:32 <BlueMatt> (complaints about lack of fork(), etc)
649 2011-03-30 11:41:51 <tcatm> merge my fix-deamon branch
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651 2011-03-30 11:43:06 <BlueMatt> tcatm: the one that was already merged into HEAD?
652 2011-03-30 11:43:45 <tcatm> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/131
653 2011-03-30 11:44:25 <jgarzik> CMyApp::Initialize() and CMyApp::OnInit() in ui.cpp call into init.cpp for initialization in GUI
654 2011-03-30 11:45:34 <BlueMatt> tcatm: yes, but it would be nice to get daemonizing working on windows again as it used to be
655 2011-03-30 11:46:43 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: still see no reason what so ever why it used to properly daemonize
656 2011-03-30 11:48:26 <Spenvo> wow!!! "proof of work" is also on Hacker News Number #9 - the article is having an effect on Bitcoin awareness!!!
657 2011-03-30 11:48:59 <Spenvo> and my boss is coming in in 13 minutes, so I've got to log off
658 2011-03-30 11:49:05 <Spenvo> adios!
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660 2011-03-30 11:58:27 <BlueMatt> tcatm: re: your pull req. does it not make sense to daemonize bitcoind always
661 2011-03-30 11:58:37 <BlueMatt> tcatm: most apps will daemonize unless -debug is set
662 2011-03-30 12:00:08 <tcatm> in that case we should rename the option to -nodaemon :)
663 2011-03-30 12:01:19 <BlueMatt> tcatm: gavin has expressed concerns about -upnp vs -noupnp already (and I agree), adding -[no]daemon is the same thing
664 2011-03-30 12:04:09 <tcatm> so how would one prevent bitcoind from forking? -daemon=0 isn't very intuitive
665 2011-03-30 12:07:03 <BlueMatt> tcatm: -debug is the norm
666 2011-03-30 12:07:07 <BlueMatt> tcatm: or -foreground
667 2011-03-30 12:07:16 <BlueMatt> though Im plartial to -debug personally
668 2011-03-30 12:07:18 <BlueMatt> partial*
669 2011-03-30 12:07:40 <tcatm> there are good reasons to run it in foreground without enabling debug mode
670 2011-03-30 12:08:02 <BlueMatt> tcatm: I agree
671 2011-03-30 12:08:18 <BlueMatt> tcatm: hence -foreground
672 2011-03-30 12:10:11 <tcatm> that would mean bitcoin and bitcoind would have different -help. bitcoin would show -daemon, bitcoind -foreground
673 2011-03-30 12:12:38 <BlueMatt> tcatm: they wont be distributed together eventually anyway, it will be bitcoin and bitcoind as separate programs
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683 2011-03-30 13:00:44 <mesh> I am running ubuntu 11.04 (alpha) and the bitcoin gui does not work, when started from the commandline it will just sit there doing nothing (also no errors or warnings), I've also compiled bitcoin from source but that didn't help, where could I start debugging this problem?
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686 2011-03-30 13:03:18 <xelister> hmm
687 2011-03-30 13:03:23 <xelister> 2011-03-30 14:54:51 ; 100.00 ; 100.00 ;
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689 2011-03-30 13:03:32 <xelister> FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
690 2011-03-30 13:04:03 <taco_the_paco> ^
691 2011-03-30 13:07:19 <nathan7> taco_the_paco: paco the taco?
692 2011-03-30 13:07:27 * nathan7 feeds xelister taco_the_paco
693 2011-03-30 13:07:28 <taco_the_paco> Yes
694 2011-03-30 13:07:48 <taco_the_paco> onm onm nom nom :p
695 2011-03-30 13:08:17 <xelister> FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
696 2011-03-30 13:08:28 <xelister> 2011-03-30 14:54:51 ; 100.00 ; 100.00 ; :[ it's temp monitor.
697 2011-03-30 13:08:46 <taco_the_paco> :o
698 2011-03-30 13:08:56 <ersi> neat, 100C
699 2011-03-30 13:09:05 <ersi> enjoy your cooked meal
700 2011-03-30 13:09:16 <taco_the_paco> sounds like my 8800 GT all over again lol
701 2011-03-30 13:09:20 <taco_the_paco> what card xelister?
702 2011-03-30 13:09:23 <xelister> ArtForz: at what reported by sensors temp does 5970 sustain instant damage to the board and components (not caunting in 'just' faster CPU wearing)?
703 2011-03-30 13:10:02 <[Tycho]> Usually it just trottles down.
704 2011-03-30 13:10:31 <da2ce7> It took mine about a week to die at 100C
705 2011-03-30 13:10:33 <xelister> hmm its liquid based cooling keeps working @ 100 ?
706 2011-03-30 13:10:40 <[Tycho]> And i suppose that VR may overheat first in 5970
707 2011-03-30 13:10:50 <da2ce7> yep the VR's die first
708 2011-03-30 13:11:10 <da2ce7> if your core is 100C your VR's are above 110, so they are frying
709 2011-03-30 13:11:14 <da2ce7> the core should be fine.
710 2011-03-30 13:11:25 <[Tycho]> Sometimes 120
711 2011-03-30 13:11:54 <xelister> VR = ?
712 2011-03-30 13:12:00 <xelister> how to check if VR fried? :P
713 2011-03-30 13:12:09 <[Tycho]> Voltage Regulator
714 2011-03-30 13:12:14 <xelister> is it rather a all-works or card totally dies situation?
715 2011-03-30 13:12:27 <xelister> can I check if card got demaged
716 2011-03-30 13:12:31 <[Tycho]> No.
717 2011-03-30 13:18:12 <xelister> anyone want to buy cheap 5970? :trollface:
718 2011-03-30 13:18:33 <xelister> no seriously though, I guess I will just see in this week if it works as before or not :)
719 2011-03-30 13:19:14 <bitcoiner> 1 btc
720 2011-03-30 13:20:27 * xelister checks testnet
721 2011-03-30 13:20:46 <xelister> people Y U NO ON TESTNETS
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724 2011-03-30 13:29:13 <xelister> someone run testnet plz?
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727 2011-03-30 13:30:37 <sipa> xelister: running
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729 2011-03-30 13:31:31 <xelister> sipa: testnet port is same?
730 2011-03-30 13:31:43 <sipa> no
731 2011-03-30 13:31:48 <sipa> 18333
732 2011-03-30 13:32:06 <xelister> what is your nodes ip?
733 2011-03-30 13:32:34 <sipa> bitcoin.sipa.be
734 2011-03-30 13:32:55 <sipa> 178.18.90.41
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736 2011-03-30 13:33:58 <xelister> still 0 connections :<
737 2011-03-30 13:34:00 <xelister> forever alone
738 2011-03-30 13:34:30 <taco_the_paco> ha
739 2011-03-30 13:35:06 <sipa> ./bitcoind -testnet -connect=178.18.90.41
740 2011-03-30 13:35:10 <sipa> works perfectly here
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742 2011-03-30 13:36:19 <xelister> there is something buggy
743 2011-03-30 13:36:27 <xelister> is there too strong anti DDoS limiting?
744 2011-03-30 13:36:39 <xelister> if I start program, stop, restart then I get 0 connections for some time
745 2011-03-30 13:37:02 <EvanR-work> ive always had that
746 2011-03-30 13:40:09 <BurtyB> xelister maybe it needs SO_REUSEADDR before it does the bind()?
747 2011-03-30 13:41:17 <xelister> not sure how this works... well my side terminates normally, so my side of connections should be free to use
748 2011-03-30 13:41:27 <xelister> it sounds like some built in anti DDoS that is a bit too strong
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755 2011-03-30 14:12:10 <kakkapoksy> Where is should change the port 8333?
756 2011-03-30 14:12:30 <kakkapoksy> I cant fix modem settings
757 2011-03-30 14:12:49 <kakkapoksy> Where I*
758 2011-03-30 14:12:56 <sipa> you need to change the source for that, unfortunately
759 2011-03-30 14:13:05 <kakkapoksy> how i do that
760 2011-03-30 14:13:29 <[Tycho]> You don't really need to open 8333, it will work anyway.
761 2011-03-30 14:13:38 <kakkapoksy> well it doesnt
762 2011-03-30 14:13:51 <[Tycho]> Then the problem may be in something else.
763 2011-03-30 14:14:06 <kakkapoksy> i still have 0,00 coins. i have generated coins for over 30 hours now
764 2011-03-30 14:14:12 <[Tycho]> ^)
765 2011-03-30 14:14:19 <kakkapoksy> only few connections :/
766 2011-03-30 14:14:22 <[Tycho]> You didn't do the research.
767 2011-03-30 14:14:27 <sipa> are the generated coins listed?
768 2011-03-30 14:14:30 <sipa> in the GUI
769 2011-03-30 14:14:41 <kakkapoksy> dont know what u mean
770 2011-03-30 14:14:42 <Blitzboom> he probably mined with his CPU and expected some coins â¦
771 2011-03-30 14:14:49 <[Tycho]> kakkapoksy, are you using official client for generating ?
772 2011-03-30 14:15:00 <kakkapoksy> i dont know
773 2011-03-30 14:15:08 <[Tycho]> kakkapoksy, you'll need more than a century to generate coins.
774 2011-03-30 14:15:15 <sipa> can you explain precisely what you are doing for generating coins?
775 2011-03-30 14:15:22 <kakkapoksy> i downloaded it from here. http://www.bitcoin.org/fi
776 2011-03-30 14:15:34 <sipa> and you're running the gui?
777 2011-03-30 14:16:02 <kakkapoksy> i just changed the options limited to 4 processors and pressed generate coins
778 2011-03-30 14:16:03 <sipa> in the left bottom it should show you its hash rate
779 2011-03-30 14:16:09 <kakkapoksy> how i run gui?
780 2011-03-30 14:16:19 <sipa> gui = graphical program
781 2011-03-30 14:16:29 <[Tycho]> kakkapoksy, you'll need some moodern GPU (preferrably ATI) to generate some coins. And use other mining program.
782 2011-03-30 14:16:35 <kakkapoksy> how i run graphical program?
783 2011-03-30 14:16:40 <sipa> kakkapoksy: never mind
784 2011-03-30 14:16:44 <sipa> it's what you are using
785 2011-03-30 14:16:52 <sipa> in the left bottom, what number does it tell you?
786 2011-03-30 14:16:58 <kakkapoksy> i have some 1 year old nvidia
787 2011-03-30 14:17:04 <sipa> which one?
788 2011-03-30 14:17:08 <kakkapoksy> so i cant generate coins at all
789 2011-03-30 14:17:17 <kakkapoksy> ?
790 2011-03-30 14:17:28 <sipa> you can, but currently you're doing it so slowly that it'll take ages
791 2011-03-30 14:17:45 <[Tycho]> nVidia is bad for mining.
792 2011-03-30 14:17:48 <[Tycho]> kakkapoksy, https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_Hardware_Comparison
793 2011-03-30 14:17:48 <kakkapoksy> ok. thought it only matters what CPU is
794 2011-03-30 14:17:56 <kakkapoksy> okey. ty for info
795 2011-03-30 14:17:58 <sipa> that used to be the case
796 2011-03-30 14:17:58 <[Tycho]> CPU doesn't matters.
797 2011-03-30 14:18:05 <kakkapoksy> i change my Gpu first
798 2011-03-30 14:18:09 <kakkapoksy> bye
799 2011-03-30 14:18:12 <sipa> ...
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801 2011-03-30 14:18:27 <[Tycho]> ...
802 2011-03-30 14:18:35 <Blitzboom> i really hope that damn option is removed/hidden soon
803 2011-03-30 14:19:35 <sipa> indeed
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807 2011-03-30 14:42:43 <ersi> Hah
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812 2011-03-30 14:59:04 <vrs> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/File:Bitcoin_world_map.png this is a bit outdated
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814 2011-03-30 15:00:51 <BlueMatt> vrs: isnt there a webapp somewhere that does that live?
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816 2011-03-30 15:03:27 <vrs> there is
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818 2011-03-30 15:03:59 <vrs> https://maps.google.com/maps?q=https://smsz.net/btcStats/bitcoin.kml
819 2011-03-30 15:04:06 <BlueMatt> I know Ive seen it before, Im just hoping someone has a link
820 2011-03-30 15:05:46 * vrs points at their last line
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822 2011-03-30 15:07:26 <BlueMatt> thanks
823 2011-03-30 15:39:55 <BlueMatt> tcatm: re: bitcoin daemonizing on win32, ok after building from nov 8 2010 on mingw, it does not properly fork. Not entirely sure the exact version from 0.3.18, but I cant get a build on mingw that properly daemonizes
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825 2011-03-30 15:40:04 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: if you are interested ^
826 2011-03-30 15:45:00 <BlueMatt> ok, building 82201801 (0.3.18 release version) on mingw...
827 2011-03-30 15:53:32 <BlueMatt> yep still no daemonizing when I build 0.3.18 release version on mingw (only changing the lib paths in the makefile)
828 2011-03-30 15:53:50 <BlueMatt> I guess it is a difference between mingw and vc
829 2011-03-30 15:56:28 <BlueMatt> also does not daemonize on the official 0.3.19 release
830 2011-03-30 15:59:25 * BlueMatt facepalm, facepalm, facepalm, facepalm
831 2011-03-30 16:02:07 <BlueMatt> bitcoin 0.3.18 did not daemonize, I ran it without bitcoin.conf and no -rpcpassword and when it exited remote desktop laged enough that bitcoin.exe still showed up in task manager when it returned on the terminal
832 2011-03-30 16:02:28 <BlueMatt> afaict, bitcoin does not and never has daemonized on win32
833 2011-03-30 16:05:21 <BlueMatt> well no, for some reason it is daemonizing on win7, but no longer on my win server 2003
834 2011-03-30 16:06:30 <BlueMatt> arg this just keeps getting more confusing
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837 2011-03-30 16:15:34 <Kiba> jgarzik: so, what's taking so long for pastecoin to come back online?
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840 2011-03-30 16:22:06 <devrandom> hey BlueMatt
841 2011-03-30 16:22:37 <BlueMatt> devrandom: hi, yea sorry have been busy havent had a chance to look at the gitian signing stuff
842 2011-03-30 16:22:51 <devrandom> no prob
843 2011-03-30 16:22:53 <BlueMatt> devrandom: looks really cool though
844 2011-03-30 16:23:01 <devrandom> cool :)
845 2011-03-30 16:23:33 <devrandom> let me know if you have better ideas about how to collect signatures... git seems okay, but maybe there's a simpler way
846 2011-03-30 16:24:06 <devrandom> I've been wondering about deterministic builds on windows
847 2011-03-30 16:24:30 <devrandom> do you know if mingw cross compiles with ubuntu as host?
848 2011-03-30 16:24:44 <BlueMatt> devrandom: yes it does, but ive never tried it
849 2011-03-30 16:25:22 <BlueMatt> devrandom: not sure if bitcoin will compile on it, but jgarzk says he builds the cpuminer on fedora via mingw
850 2011-03-30 16:25:37 <BlueMatt> devrandom: might be hard to get it to work, but it would be nice
851 2011-03-30 16:26:15 <devrandom> are you using vc++?
852 2011-03-30 16:26:28 <BlueMatt> devrandom: no Im using mingw on win server 2003
853 2011-03-30 16:27:04 <devrandom> oh, so you are not sure about the cross compile...
854 2011-03-30 16:27:28 <BlueMatt> devrandom: yea, I know it theoretically works, but bitcoin including wx, boost, etc I dont know
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856 2011-03-30 16:27:43 <grbgout> holy crap, my miner solved a block (part of a pool, though).
857 2011-03-30 16:28:16 <BurtyB> grbgout :)
858 2011-03-30 16:28:19 <grbgout> I only earned 0.09164314 on it, though >_<
859 2011-03-30 16:28:24 <grbgout> http://bitcoinpool.com/block.php?block=115778
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861 2011-03-30 16:31:22 <BlueMatt> devrandom: if you do do that, pre-building wx, boost etc would be VERY nice
862 2011-03-30 16:31:54 <devrandom> you mean, in a separate build?
863 2011-03-30 16:33:31 <BlueMatt> devrandom: I mean build wx/boost/etc once and then reuse that build each time you build bitcoin instead of rebuilding it like it currently does wx on ubuntu
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865 2011-03-30 16:34:28 <devrandom> BlueMatt - ok, I'll try to get to it soon, but I have a lot on my plate
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867 2011-03-30 16:34:45 <BlueMatt> devrandom: no problem, Im just saying what Id like to eventually see ;)
868 2011-03-30 16:36:14 <devrandom> maybe should post some bounties...
869 2011-03-30 16:39:15 <[Tycho]> grbgout, what is your mining speed ?
870 2011-03-30 16:39:33 <grbgout> [Tycho]: garbage ^_^
871 2011-03-30 16:39:43 <grbgout> 21252 khash/s
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873 2011-03-30 16:40:05 <[Tycho]> Why are you mining in that pool ?
874 2011-03-30 16:40:16 <grbgout> [Tycho]: I asked you a question about your pool's payout method the other day, did you see it? If you did, and I missed your response, my bad.
875 2011-03-30 16:40:28 <[Tycho]> grbgout, what question ?
876 2011-03-30 16:40:31 <grbgout> [Tycho]: I'm assessing all the pools. I started with that one.
877 2011-03-30 16:40:57 <grbgout> [Tycho]: iirc, I was wondering if the 3% fee applied to the pay-per-share method too.
878 2011-03-30 16:41:04 <[Tycho]> No.
879 2011-03-30 16:41:26 <[Tycho]> There is no additional fees, only the mentioned price.
880 2011-03-30 16:41:53 <[Tycho]> It's like 90% on average.
881 2011-03-30 16:41:54 <grbgout> k, I guess another question would be if there's a way (like once a block has been solved) to determine how many people/shares were involved in it? I.e. so one could calculate what they would have earned had they opted for the proportional method.
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883 2011-03-30 16:42:24 <[Tycho]> Yes, there is a number of shares per each block in the stats page.
884 2011-03-30 16:42:37 <grbgout> hmm, I must have overlooked that
885 2011-03-30 16:42:44 <[Tycho]> http://deepbit.net/stats.php
886 2011-03-30 16:42:46 <grbgout> ah, total shares
887 2011-03-30 16:42:48 <grbgout> Already there ;)
888 2011-03-30 16:43:10 <xelister> bitcoin connectivity is fucked up
889 2011-03-30 16:43:12 <xelister> I have 1 conneciton
890 2011-03-30 16:43:31 <grbgout> xelister: are you behind a router/firewall/NAT, and if so have you opened the appropriate ports?
891 2011-03-30 16:43:58 <[Tycho]> grbgout, the number of people doesn't matters, only the number of shares does.
892 2011-03-30 16:44:13 <xelister> grbgout: firewall, ports openee
893 2011-03-30 16:44:21 <xelister> normally I was getting 50+ conn
894 2011-03-30 16:44:40 <grbgout> [Tycho]: yes, I'm aware. That should have read "people or shares, whatever". It was not intended to be read as people per shares.
895 2011-03-30 16:45:38 <phantomcircuit> roses are red
896 2011-03-30 16:45:41 <phantomcircuit> violets are blue
897 2011-03-30 16:45:42 <[Tycho]> grbgout, some people aren't aware and asked for this in forum :)
898 2011-03-30 16:45:43 <phantomcircuit> sqlite is slow
899 2011-03-30 16:45:44 <phantomcircuit> >.>
900 2011-03-30 16:45:50 <grbgout> and so are you!
901 2011-03-30 16:45:51 <grbgout> sorry
902 2011-03-30 16:45:58 <phantomcircuit> lulz
903 2011-03-30 16:45:59 <phantomcircuit> winrar
904 2011-03-30 16:46:20 <grbgout> [Tycho]: gotchya
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906 2011-03-30 16:46:51 <grbgout> [Tycho]: incidentally, I started with bitcoinpool for the perceived transparency --- that's what drew me to it initially.
907 2011-03-30 16:47:25 <xelister> is seding busted?
908 2011-03-30 16:48:01 <phantomcircuit> seding?
909 2011-03-30 16:48:03 <xelister> seeding is definatelly busted imo
910 2011-03-30 16:48:29 <grbgout> Technically I started with your pool: "Well, rather than wrapping my head around this BTC thing before I start mining, I should just jump onto a pool until I figure things out a bit." Then, since I was sleep deprived at the time, I switched to btcpool for its transparency: it wasn't blatently obvious how to calculate if pps or proptional was preferable at the time.
911 2011-03-30 16:48:39 <grbgout> Ultimately I decided to asses each pool in turn.
912 2011-03-30 16:48:47 <grbgout> sorry for the long lines.
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914 2011-03-30 16:50:47 <grbgout> [Tycho]: what about automating the choice? I realize this would change things, given when pps is applied, but what about a delayed pps for when a block is solved: then automatically choosing the best option for people based on which would pay them more. Clearly not the best model for the pool operator, but might be something to consider.
915 2011-03-30 16:50:53 <[Tycho]> grbgout, actually i think that listing users and their share is wrong as bitcoin should be like kind of anonymous thing :)
916 2011-03-30 16:51:06 <grbgout> [Tycho]: how is it any less anonymous?
917 2011-03-30 16:51:18 <grbgout> This account and IP doesn't tie me to anything.
918 2011-03-30 16:51:25 <[Tycho]> grbgout, this is impossible.
919 2011-03-30 16:51:50 <grbgout> I have an unfair advantage, as I live in a highly populated area: plenty of weak WEP connections. None of my BTC addresses link to my actual identity in any way.
920 2011-03-30 16:52:19 <grbgout> [Tycho]: I see how it might not be possible to implement it on deepbit, but I don't see how it would be impossible (say for a new pool). Could you elaborate?
921 2011-03-30 16:52:26 <[Tycho]> I have some idea for my users, but it will be revealed only after deployments :)
922 2011-03-30 16:53:21 <grbgout> Has anyone yet proposed a pool for pools? I.e. a mechanism for linking the collective processing power of /all/ the pools and distributing things fairly.
923 2011-03-30 16:53:25 <[Tycho]> grbgout, it's impossible for ANY pool because PPS works this way. If people will be switched to Proportional on short rounds and to PPS on long ones, it will be severe negative profit for pool's owner.
924 2011-03-30 16:54:15 <grbgout> [Tycho]: well, like I said, it's not beneficial to the pool operator. It would be ideal for a community owned/operated pool, though. It certainly favors the participants.
925 2011-03-30 16:54:30 <[Tycho]> grbgout, it just can't work.
926 2011-03-30 16:54:31 <grbgout> perhaps the ideal technique for a pooling pool.
927 2011-03-30 16:55:09 <[Tycho]> grbgout, where do additional money should appear from ?
928 2011-03-30 16:55:33 <[Tycho]> grbgout, it would need hundreds of BTC per day.
929 2011-03-30 16:55:34 <grbgout> Well I respect your expertise on the matter, and would certainly read a detailed explanation if it were available.
930 2011-03-30 16:55:58 <grbgout> That depends on the details, I would think. Since I'm not a pool operator I certainly can't comment.
931 2011-03-30 16:56:11 <[Tycho]> grbgout, do you know, what PPS is ?
932 2011-03-30 16:56:15 <BlueMatt> arg, ok final conclusion, bitcoin.exe forks FINE when compiled with minegw (up to and including a07dca7, the on before tcatm's daemon-mode fix, which broke building not necessarily daemonizing) when run from the regular windows command prompt NOT from the msys command prompt (bash). Official build version 0.3.18 forks fine when bitcoin.exe is run with -daemon, however bitcoind.exe -daemon does not
933 2011-03-30 16:56:19 <grbgout> pay-per-share?
934 2011-03-30 16:56:37 <grbgout> I haven't read about how the amount is determined.
935 2011-03-30 16:56:39 <BlueMatt> bitcoin.exe -daemon DOES daemonize fine under the same circumstances with my winbuildfix branch
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937 2011-03-30 16:58:55 <jgarzik> three cheers for BlueMatt :)
938 2011-03-30 16:59:20 <grbgout> [Tycho]: anyway, I was just thinking out loud. I acknowledge your stance that it's impossible. I have many other projects in mind before considering that idea in any more detail.
939 2011-03-30 16:59:26 <grbgout> jgarzik: indeed!
940 2011-03-30 16:59:28 <grbgout> BlueMatt: good job.
941 2011-03-30 16:59:36 <BlueMatt> thanks, now for dinner.
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945 2011-03-30 17:05:52 <joepie92> just heard from a friend that silkroad is closed
946 2011-03-30 17:05:53 <joepie92> anything known about that?
947 2011-03-30 17:06:22 <jgarzik> good
948 2011-03-30 17:06:40 <LtBrenton_> thank fuck, silkroad was dangerous
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952 2011-03-30 17:07:07 <LtBrenton> bitcoin /really/ doesn't need the public perception that only drug dealers and hookers accept it
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955 2011-03-30 17:07:18 <jgarzik> indeed
956 2011-03-30 17:07:22 <Blitzboom> LtBrenton: wuala accepts it now
957 2011-03-30 17:07:44 <Blitzboom> you should also visiit http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4667.0
958 2011-03-30 17:07:52 <Blitzboom> if you want legit shops to accept it
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960 2011-03-30 17:11:42 <BlueMatt> for reference, the reason bitcoin.exe daemonizes in the first place (technically it doesnt daemonize like it would on unix, just returns to a new line on cmd.exe as if it had) is because of wx as bitcoin.exe "daemonizes" no matter what flags are passed and bitcoind.exe does not
961 2011-03-30 17:12:08 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: in ui.cpp?
962 2011-03-30 17:12:10 <phantomcircuit> LtBrenton, there are drug dealers and hookers that accept bitcoin?
963 2011-03-30 17:12:32 <grbgout> call me when there's a drug dealing hooker.
964 2011-03-30 17:12:41 <BlueMatt> grbgout: there is
965 2011-03-30 17:12:45 <grbgout> sweet
966 2011-03-30 17:12:59 <BlueMatt> grbgout: but it might be harder to find the hooker part, but there are a few nerds ;)
967 2011-03-30 17:13:08 <grbgout> hehe
968 2011-03-30 17:13:14 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: I believe so (something to do with wx::Initialize, but I cant be sure as I dont have a full debug environment on win atm)
969 2011-03-30 17:13:33 <phantomcircuit> oh oh i know
970 2011-03-30 17:13:46 <BlueMatt> grbgout: though have you seen silk road?
971 2011-03-30 17:13:58 <phantomcircuit> wx programs are built with the gui flag in their PE header
972 2011-03-30 17:14:00 <phantomcircuit> magic
973 2011-03-30 17:14:21 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: ah that might do it
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975 2011-03-30 17:14:42 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: so cmd.exe "daemonizes" programs which have a gui flag set
976 2011-03-30 17:14:48 <BlueMatt> ie bitcoin does nothing
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978 2011-03-30 17:21:08 <BlueMatt> yep PE headers include WORD Subsystem which can be set to WINDOWS_GUI or WINDOWS_CUI (among others)
979 2011-03-30 17:21:47 <roconnor> where can I find documentation on how the merkle tree is constructed?
980 2011-03-30 17:22:08 <roconnor> i.e.i which order the transactions are put into the merkle tree
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982 2011-03-30 17:23:47 <lfm> roconnor: thatd be the reference code again I think
983 2011-03-30 17:24:16 <roconnor> :/
984 2011-03-30 17:24:17 <roconnor> ok
985 2011-03-30 17:24:35 <roconnor> thanks for your help
986 2011-03-30 17:24:57 <lfm> sorry, not the best answer
987 2011-03-30 17:25:16 <roconnor> It is probably the only answer :D
988 2011-03-30 17:25:29 <roconnor> searking for merkle in the wiki hasn't helped me
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993 2011-03-30 17:25:59 <nanotube> i heard something about them being random... but don't bet on it.
994 2011-03-30 17:26:31 <lfm> naw cant be random order. its a depth first order with all the leaves at the same level
995 2011-03-30 17:26:46 <nanotube> if i were doing it, i'd probably put the coinbase closer to the top, so i don't have to recalc the whole tree when i change the extranonce, etc.
996 2011-03-30 17:27:05 <nanotube> lfm: i mean, ordering the tx in the tree
997 2011-03-30 17:27:21 <nanotube> once the tree is constructed, of course there's a set order for actually hashing.
998 2011-03-30 17:27:27 <lfm> well you dont have to recalc the whole tree. just the dependancies
999 2011-03-30 17:27:34 <roconnor> nanotube: I'm afraid that all the transactions are at the same level in the tree
1000 2011-03-30 17:27:38 <roconnor> I think
1001 2011-03-30 17:27:39 <nanotube> ah
1002 2011-03-30 17:27:44 <lfm> yes
1003 2011-03-30 17:27:45 <tcatm> roconnor: order doesn't matter. the miner decides it.
1004 2011-03-30 17:27:58 <nanotube> so it's not so much a tree, as a bush? :)
1005 2011-03-30 17:28:14 <lfm> tcatm: you sure about that?
1006 2011-03-30 17:28:23 <roconnor> tcatm: the miner decides the order to list the transactions, but given a list of ordered transactions, how is the merkle tree formed
1007 2011-03-30 17:28:33 <roconnor> (espcially if the number of transactions isn't a power of two)
1008 2011-03-30 17:28:52 <lfm> cuz if I were doing it id use a simple queue
1009 2011-03-30 17:29:07 <tcatm> lfm: at least they can't depend on each other
1010 2011-03-30 17:29:11 <roconnor> if that question makes sense
1011 2011-03-30 17:29:29 <tcatm> roconnor: duplicate the last hash
1012 2011-03-30 17:29:49 <roconnor> okay
1013 2011-03-30 17:30:07 <roconnor> so I grab all the trasactions into pairs and if there is an odd number I duplicate the last one
1014 2011-03-30 17:30:13 <roconnor> and then repeat this at the next level up
1015 2011-03-30 17:30:15 <tcatm> yep
1016 2011-03-30 17:30:17 <roconnor> sound right?
1017 2011-03-30 17:30:19 <roconnor> cool
1018 2011-03-30 17:30:31 <lfm> ya when it hashes a txn hash with a non existant hash it just copies
1019 2011-03-30 17:31:08 <roconnor> you people have been really helpful!
1020 2011-03-30 17:31:39 * roconnor has a balance of 100.70 testnet bitcoins now!
1021 2011-03-30 17:31:41 <tcatm> lfm: no sorting in main.h / BuildMerkleTree()
1022 2011-03-30 17:32:58 <lfm> tcatm: I think all the miners need to use the same order but I spoze I could be wrong
1023 2011-03-30 17:34:26 <tcatm> generation tx is first. that's the only rule I know of
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1026 2011-03-30 17:35:14 <lfm> tcatm: ya the order of the txn is up to the miner but once you have the txn then there is a specific way you build the merkle tree from that txn order
1027 2011-03-30 17:36:31 <lfm> tcatm: theoretically when the number od txn is not 2^x-1 there are several ways to build a merkle tree
1028 2011-03-30 17:37:49 <tcatm> see main.cpp:1103
1029 2011-03-30 17:38:16 <lfm> they would all be equivalent but we need to agree exactly how. It seems the only reference is the code
1030 2011-03-30 17:40:11 <ArtForz> yes, and the rules are rather simple
1031 2011-03-30 17:41:10 <lfm> simple - maybe, obvious - no
1032 2011-03-30 17:41:12 <ArtForz> leftmost leaf is first tx hash, always duplicate last node in a level to make a even number of nodes, parent = hash(left . right)
1033 2011-03-30 17:42:00 <BlueMatt> indeed, bitcoin.exe has Subsystem: GUI subsystem and bitcoind.exe has Subsystem: CUI
1034 2011-03-30 17:42:25 <ArtForz> thats about as bog standard as a hash tree can get
1035 2011-03-30 17:43:09 <lfm> ArtForz: I like the queue algorothm better myself but I spoze its moot
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1037 2011-03-30 17:44:38 <ArtForz> well, thats just a implementation style
1038 2011-03-30 17:44:47 <lfm> true
1039 2011-03-30 17:45:32 <lfm> I guess our point is it does kinda need to be documented one of these days
1040 2011-03-30 17:45:42 <ArtForz> yeah
1041 2011-03-30 17:45:50 <BlueMatt> there are quite a few of those
1042 2011-03-30 17:46:19 <ArtForz> only "unusual" parts are hash being double-sha256 and "1-item hash trees just get the value of the item"
1043 2011-03-30 17:49:15 <ArtForz> which depending on how you look at it is either completely obvious or "errr... huh?"
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1045 2011-03-30 17:58:25 <LtBrenton> ;;bc,stats
1046 2011-03-30 17:58:28 <gribble> Current Blocks: 115791 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 1136 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 6 hours, 30 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 74992.60987236
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1048 2011-03-30 18:11:42 <CIA-96> bitcoin: genjix <fake@lol.u> * r09e2947a9d4e intersango/cron/bankd/show_withdraws.sql: withdrawal script to GBP bank.
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1051 2011-03-30 18:21:38 <CIA-96> bitcoin: phantomcircuit <phantomcircuit@covertinferno.org> sqlite3 * r7a64707b6175 bitcoin-alt/bitcoin/ (__init__.py peer.py storage.py): Finished most of the sqlite3 conversion, significantly faster
1052 2011-03-30 18:21:40 <CIA-96> bitcoin: genjix <fake@lol.u> * r7de5a0b11c77 intersango/cron/bankd/parse_deposits.php: moved into bank subdir. off by default to protected against user error.
1053 2011-03-30 18:21:41 <CIA-96> bitcoin: genjix <fake@lol.u> * r377047703032 intersango/cron/bankd/parse_deposits.php: fix broken require path.
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1055 2011-03-30 18:29:21 <xelister> is seeding broken?
1056 2011-03-30 18:29:25 <xelister> meh
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1070 2011-03-30 19:20:31 <BlueMatt> who runs mybitcoin?
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1077 2011-03-30 19:27:18 <aksoo> is anyone else having seemingly random data appended to the Date header in json rpc requests in bitcoin 0.3.20.2?
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1079 2011-03-30 19:31:37 <CIA-96> bitcoin: phantomcircuit <phantomcircuit@covertinferno.org> sqlite3 * r2a64ca526d15 bitcoin-alt/bitcoin/ (peer.py storage.py): avoid double commit's add unique constraint to blocks(prev_hash)
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1081 2011-03-30 19:32:41 <aksoo> it seems to me the Date: line is always 61 bytes long and isn't null terminating the string. but I haven't looked at the code
1082 2011-03-30 19:33:49 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: unknown
1083 2011-03-30 19:34:05 <dbitcoin> ;;bc;calc 2500000
1084 2011-03-30 19:34:06 <gribble> Error: "bc;calc" is not a valid command.
1085 2011-03-30 19:34:43 <dbitcoin> ;;bc;help
1086 2011-03-30 19:34:44 <gribble> Error: "bc;help" is not a valid command.
1087 2011-03-30 19:35:38 <dbitcoin> ;;bc,calc 2500000
1088 2011-03-30 19:35:40 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 2500000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 1 day, 8 hours, 55 minutes, and 4 seconds
1089 2011-03-30 19:35:55 <dbitcoin> ;;bc,help
1090 2011-03-30 19:35:56 <gribble> Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,channels, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,gen, Alias bc,gend, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,labs, Alias bc,lbs, Alias bc,markets, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,poolstats, Alias bc,prob, Alias bc,stats, Alias bc,timetonext, Alias bc,totalbc, and Alias bc,wiki
1091 2011-03-30 19:36:14 <dbitcoin> ;;bc,nexttarget
1092 2011-03-30 19:36:15 <gribble> 116927
1093 2011-03-30 19:36:23 <ersi> ;;bc,prob
1094 2011-03-30 19:36:23 <gribble> (bc,prob <an alias, at least 1 argument>) -- Alias for "math calc 1-exp(-$1*1000 * [seconds $*] / (2**32* [bc,diff]))".
1095 2011-03-30 19:36:28 <ersi> ;;bc,stats
1096 2011-03-30 19:36:30 <gribble> Current Blocks: 115802 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 1125 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 5 hours, 7 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 74817.55526522
1097 2011-03-30 19:38:14 <dbitcoin> ;; bc,poolstats
1098 2011-03-30 19:38:19 <gribble> {"ghashes_ps": "161.931", "shares": 454401, "active_workers": 2011, "round_duration": "3:17:21", "score": "16259975.5646", "round_started": "2011-03-30 16:19:08", "shares_cdf": "99.86", "getwork_ps": 517}
1099 2011-03-30 19:39:19 <dbitcoin> ;;bc,totalbc
1100 2011-03-30 19:39:20 <gribble> 5790150.00000000
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1102 2011-03-30 19:41:45 <Kicchiri> If I have two nodes behind a NAT, naturally, only one gets the port... might this cause bugs/trouble?
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1104 2011-03-30 19:45:21 <ersi> Kicchiri: Make the other one, connect to that one - locally
1105 2011-03-30 19:45:24 <ersi> problem solved? :P
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1107 2011-03-30 19:45:45 <Kicchiri> How do I do that :P
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1109 2011-03-30 19:46:15 <ersi> you can specify either -addnodes= (which just adds it to the node table) or specify -connect= (which makes it Only connect to *this* node)
1110 2011-03-30 19:47:04 <ersi> so, you give bitcoin on Computer A the port. It connects to the swarm and is happy. And make bitcoin on Computer B connect to Computer A (Internal, LAN address that is) - which will get hooked up to the other ones
1111 2011-03-30 19:47:47 <ersi> or you could make Computer B just connect outwards to any of the Fallback nodes (check wiki, same parameters, just different IPs)
1112 2011-03-30 19:47:52 <BlueMatt> Kicchiri: best is always one with port forwarding/etc and -connect on the other
1113 2011-03-30 19:48:14 <Kicchiri> okay!
1114 2011-03-30 19:51:43 <Kicchiri> Is there any security issue for an "almost isolated" node? In case the node that links it in is compromised? Just curious.
1115 2011-03-30 19:52:13 <BlueMatt> Kicchiri: look up sybil on the forums
1116 2011-03-30 19:52:42 <BlueMatt> Kicchiri: it only applies if all the nodes a specific node is connected to are "bad"
1117 2011-03-30 19:53:00 <BlueMatt> Kicchiri: otherwise as long as the real blockchain is the longest, you are fine
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1119 2011-03-30 19:53:47 <Kicchiri> okay... so I shouldn't do transactions while being connected to only one node if that one is considered insecure.
1120 2011-03-30 19:54:39 <BlueMatt> Kicchiri: yep, also never do transactions which have only one or two confirmations
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1123 2011-03-30 19:56:28 <Kicchiri> You mean I should wait for many confirmations before believing an incoming transaction?
1124 2011-03-30 19:56:45 <BlueMatt> Kicchiri: yep
1125 2011-03-30 19:57:12 <BlueMatt> Kicchiri: 6 is the standard, but you should be fine with 4/5
1126 2011-03-30 19:57:31 <BlueMatt> if its a large tx, make sure to get a couple extra confirms just to be sure
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1129 2011-03-30 20:05:33 <Kicchiri> OK, thanks.
1130 2011-03-30 20:06:28 <BlueMatt> Kicchiri: ,,bc,wiki weaknesses
1131 2011-03-30 20:06:29 <gribble> https://bitcoin.it/ | Mar 24, 2011 ... Sourced from Wikipedia. Bitcoin is a digital currency created in 2009 by Satoshi Nakamoto. It is also the name of the open source software ...
1132 2011-03-30 20:06:48 <BlueMatt> ;;bc,wiki weaknesses
1133 2011-03-30 20:06:48 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Weaknesses | Mar 3, 2011 ... Weaknesses. From Bitcoin. Jump to: navigation, search .... Retrieved from "https ://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Weaknesses". Category: Technical ...
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1137 2011-03-30 20:06:51 <BlueMatt> there we go
1138 2011-03-30 20:06:57 <midnightmagic> lol. Nice to see a vortex 6" pushes enough air for my miners..
1139 2011-03-30 20:07:05 <genjix> hey
1140 2011-03-30 20:07:10 <midnightmagic> yay do-it-yourself air exchange!
1141 2011-03-30 20:07:17 <CIA-96> bitcoin: tcatm <tcatm@gawab.com> rfc1123Time_localefix * r454bc86479a3 bitcoind-personal/init.cpp: allow coredumps by not catching SIGSEGV
1142 2011-03-30 20:07:52 <luke-jr> O.o
1143 2011-03-30 20:08:02 <luke-jr> how did it do *that*
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1146 2011-03-30 20:16:39 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr <luke-jr+git@utopios.org> rfc1123Time_localefix * re19f6b23d7a5 bitcoind-personal/rpc.cpp: Bugfix: force POSIX locale and GMT timezone for rfc1123Time, which it needs
1147 2011-03-30 20:18:00 <luke-jr> git://gitorious.org/~Luke-Jr/bitcoin/luke-jr-bitcoin.git rfc1123Time_localefix <-- proposed for merging
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1149 2011-03-30 20:20:51 <xelister> :happy: YEY I MINED A BLOCK :D Just 5 minutes after starting the miner \o/
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1151 2011-03-30 20:21:19 <xelister> "testnet":"true" :problem?:
1152 2011-03-30 20:21:23 * xelister forever alone
1153 2011-03-30 20:23:01 <luke-jr> hahaha
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1160 2011-03-30 20:32:01 <ersi> xelister: awesome, godly luck ;D
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1163 2011-03-30 20:33:26 <jgarzik> according to http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php I am beyond 95% probability :/
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1166 2011-03-30 20:34:06 <[Tycho]> jgarzik, with solo mining ?
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1168 2011-03-30 20:34:52 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: kinda-sorta. I'm running a difficulty-1 pool server, with all my own mining power. Testing pool server software.
1169 2011-03-30 20:35:09 <jgarzik> solo mining, but not in the traditional sense
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1175 2011-03-30 20:41:18 <nathan7> daveparrish, sirius-m: op gribble?
1176 2011-03-30 20:45:09 <[Tycho]> jgarzik, there was nore than 99.99% in slush's pool :)
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1179 2011-03-30 20:53:11 <EPiSKiNG> [Tycho] is God
1180 2011-03-30 20:53:16 <EPiSKiNG> thanks for deepbit
1181 2011-03-30 20:53:32 <sipa> i remember a forum post where satoshi did a suggestion for a system to verify transactions immediately?
1182 2011-03-30 20:53:58 <sipa> that's not really the question though - the question is whether someone remembers where to find it
1183 2011-03-30 20:56:12 <[Tycho]> EPiSKiNG, you are welcome :)
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1186 2011-03-30 20:59:05 <sipa> found it: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=423.msg3819#msg3819
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1188 2011-03-30 21:00:56 <ersi> [Tycho]: Um, I pressed 'new worker' and I can't set the name of the worker :o
1189 2011-03-30 21:01:28 <EPiSKiNG> using poclbm-gui?
1190 2011-03-30 21:01:37 <EPiSKiNG> right click on the tab and hit rename
1191 2011-03-30 21:01:51 <ersi> I'm using the website @ deepbit.net
1192 2011-03-30 21:02:09 <EPiSKiNG> the name of the new worker is (your previous login)_0
1193 2011-03-30 21:02:17 <[Tycho]> ersi, have you read the text under the renaming box ?
1194 2011-03-30 21:02:18 <EPiSKiNG> so like episking@mail.me_0
1195 2011-03-30 21:02:26 <EPiSKiNG> then _1
1196 2011-03-30 21:02:27 <ersi> lol
1197 2011-03-30 21:02:37 <ersi> I thought it said "can't be changed later"
1198 2011-03-30 21:02:44 <[Tycho]> ersi, it's a temporal restriction, will be fixed in a day or two.
1199 2011-03-30 21:03:01 <ersi> Alrighty. Well, it's just that I read it.. but didn't parse it correctly :)
1200 2011-03-30 21:04:00 <[Tycho]> I will change it so users can rename the part to the right of "_"
1201 2011-03-30 21:04:41 <ersi> Sounds good
1202 2011-03-30 21:05:19 <EPiSKiNG> is the PPS or Proportional question still up in the air...?
1203 2011-03-30 21:05:39 <EPiSKiNG> I've been using proportional, but I've read that people are getting good results with PPS
1204 2011-03-30 21:05:50 <[Tycho]> EPiSKiNG, Proportional fee is 3%, PPS is more like 10%
1205 2011-03-30 21:06:55 <EPiSKiNG> the forum post for deepbit is soooo long
1206 2011-03-30 21:07:04 <EPiSKiNG> I'm on like page 10 and not sure how much more I can read
1207 2011-03-30 21:07:05 <EPiSKiNG> lol
1208 2011-03-30 21:07:06 <[Tycho]> My fee for Proportional is almost the best among the pools :)
1209 2011-03-30 21:07:06 <Aciid> good bedtime reading
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1211 2011-03-30 21:09:00 <EPiSKiNG> word
1212 2011-03-30 21:09:17 <Aciid> excel
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1215 2011-03-30 21:09:43 <Aciid> powerpoint
1216 2011-03-30 21:09:44 <Aciid> visio
1217 2011-03-30 21:09:46 <Aciid> access and that
1218 2011-03-30 21:09:50 <Aciid> gotta catch em all
1219 2011-03-30 21:09:55 <Aciid> gotta catch em allllll
1220 2011-03-30 21:09:59 <Aciid> pirated licences
1221 2011-03-30 21:10:05 <Aciid> *** fees may apply on OEM
1222 2011-03-30 21:10:16 <Aciid> brought to you by, trolling on IRC networks
1223 2011-03-30 21:10:28 <Aciid> Thu Mar 31 00:08:46 EEST 2011
1224 2011-03-30 21:10:30 <Aciid> yes yes...
1225 2011-03-30 21:12:11 <xelister> ;;; rate Aciid 5 bought weed, all ok, he used it immediatelly
1226 2011-03-30 21:12:11 <gribble> Error: ";" is not a valid command.
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1231 2011-03-30 21:23:42 <ersi> [Tycho]: If my worker is set to PPS, can I change it to proportionally on a whim - and all later shares will be counted proportionally instead?
1232 2011-03-30 21:25:02 <[Tycho]> ersi, yes, the switch is seamless.
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1234 2011-03-30 21:25:44 <ersi> [Tycho]: Sweet. You're the man :]
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1236 2011-03-30 21:44:51 <EPiSKiNG> ;;block
1237 2011-03-30 21:44:52 <gribble> Error: "block" is not a valid command.
1238 2011-03-30 21:44:56 <EPiSKiNG> ;;stats
1239 2011-03-30 21:44:56 <gribble> I have 17 registered users with 21 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.
1240 2011-03-30 21:45:00 <EPiSKiNG> ;;status
1241 2011-03-30 21:45:00 <gribble> I am connected to freenode as gribble, i2p as gribble, and oftc as gribble.
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1243 2011-03-30 21:45:07 <EPiSKiNG> ;;help
1244 2011-03-30 21:45:08 <gribble> The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/
1245 2011-03-30 21:46:02 <EPiSKiNG> ;;facts
1246 2011-03-30 21:46:02 <gribble> To see a nice sortable web view of all factoids, click here: http://gribble.dreamhosters.com/viewfactoids.php?db=%23bitcoin-dev || To see a list of the most popular factoids, run !rank || To search factoids, run !factoids search <yoursearchterm>
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1249 2011-03-30 21:51:37 <CIA-96> bitcoin: phantomcircuit <phantomcircuit@covertinferno.org> sqlite3 * r2a9156e8a8c7 bitcoin-alt/bitcoin/ (peer.py storage.py): connect heads to tails dont collect tx's in the tx handler implemented tails() transaction's position get's set
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1251 2011-03-30 21:58:13 <genjix> luke-jr: would it be possible to turn on the tinyurls which contain a diff/url to projects? :)
1252 2011-03-30 21:58:30 RBecker is now known as RBecker|Laptop
1253 2011-03-30 21:58:35 RBecker is now known as Laptop!~Ryan@unaffiliated/rbecker|RBecker
1254 2011-03-30 21:58:36 <genjix> im often curious about people's commits
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1257 2011-03-30 21:58:57 <genjix> (i know github has them so i assume it's standard/easy to enable)
1258 2011-03-30 21:59:32 <EPiSKiNG> So I have a 5970 in my computer now, and I want to put in a 5870 as well, is that possible?
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1260 2011-03-30 21:59:45 <EPiSKiNG> or will my Windows 7 x64 wig out with two seperate video cards
1261 2011-03-30 21:59:59 <nanotube> EPiSKiNG: if you have a spare slot, and sufficient power in your PSU, and sufficient cooling in your case - then yes ;)
1262 2011-03-30 22:00:07 <EPiSKiNG> sweet
1263 2011-03-30 22:01:10 <[Tycho]> EPiSKiNG, you may have to plug another monitor (or dummy) in your second card.
1264 2011-03-30 22:02:53 <EPiSKiNG> bbl!
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1267 2011-03-30 22:05:29 <xelister> epiit should be possible eventyally yea
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1270 2011-03-30 22:16:12 <luke-jr> genjix: yeah, possible. I'd have to code it :P
1271 2011-03-30 22:16:40 <luke-jr> Girroco has it internal, not using hooks
1272 2011-03-30 22:16:56 <luke-jr> will do shortly
1273 2011-03-30 22:17:18 <luke-jr> (actually, Girroco DOES send URIs, just not tiny, and not in the message field)
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1277 2011-03-30 22:25:51 <xelister> Samsung troyans laptops they sell wih keyloggers: User found a keylogger program installed on his brand-new laptop â not once, but twice. After initial denials, Samsung has admitted they did this, saying it was to 'monitor the performance of the machine and to find out how it is being used. - slashdot
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1282 2011-03-30 22:30:37 <phantomcircuit> xelister, wat
1283 2011-03-30 22:31:01 <[Tycho]> phantomcircuit, looks like a user with no brain.
1284 2011-03-30 22:31:42 <xelister> phantomcircuit: samsung deliveres brand new laptops, already with keyloggers installed. woot...
1285 2011-03-30 22:32:08 <phantomcircuit> i seriously doubt they would admit that
1286 2011-03-30 22:32:19 <[Tycho]> phantomcircuit, they didn't.
1287 2011-03-30 22:32:23 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: unless someone got fired over it
1288 2011-03-30 22:32:27 <phantomcircuit> the potential legal ramifications are tremendous
1289 2011-03-30 22:32:40 <phantomcircuit> also
1290 2011-03-30 22:32:53 <phantomcircuit> how does the mainline client know when it's finished downloading the initial block chain?
1291 2011-03-30 22:33:20 <[Tycho]> phantomcircuit, if you can start mining - it's done :)
1292 2011-03-30 22:33:34 <phantomcircuit> what
1293 2011-03-30 22:33:38 <phantomcircuit> that's not what i asked
1294 2011-03-30 22:34:06 <xelister> phantomcircuit: well in usafagsland, everyone is slave of corportaions
1295 2011-03-30 22:34:38 <phantomcircuit> xelister, you haven't made any legally binding agreement with samsung by purchasing the laptop
1296 2011-03-30 22:34:56 <xelister> if in usafaglang uneducated niggers can order you around, unress you and your gf and your child doughter and grope them, or imprison you for stupid downloading of shitty mp3, this doesnt seem unbelivable
1297 2011-03-30 22:35:13 <phantomcircuit> huh
1298 2011-03-30 22:35:23 <phantomcircuit> you cant be imprisoned for downloading music
1299 2011-03-30 22:35:33 <luke-jr> you can in Japan
1300 2011-03-30 22:35:34 <xelister> also Sony is known for previous scandal when Sony ROOTKITED the systems (well, windows) into which original Sony CDs where inserted
1301 2011-03-30 22:35:43 <xelister> luke-jr: yeap
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1303 2011-03-30 22:35:58 <phantomcircuit> xelister, lol yeah did you know that's technically legal though?
1304 2011-03-30 22:36:07 <xelister> phantomcircuit: it is of course illegal
1305 2011-03-30 22:36:15 <phantomcircuit> nope
1306 2011-03-30 22:36:18 <phantomcircuit> totally legal
1307 2011-03-30 22:36:23 <xelister> which thing
1308 2011-03-30 22:36:31 <phantomcircuit> the sony DRM rootkit
1309 2011-03-30 22:36:43 <xelister> it is? then the law sucks cocks in places where it is legal...
1310 2011-03-30 22:36:57 <xelister> but I doubt it was legal since they had trouble and penalties etc
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1312 2011-03-30 22:37:04 <phantomcircuit> they didn't get fined for it anywhere iirc
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1315 2011-03-30 22:40:24 <[Tycho]> phantomcircuit, it's a nice example how bad technical support can cost millions of $ to a company :)
1316 2011-03-30 22:41:03 <phantomcircuit> [Tycho], bad technical support? this was a concious decision by executives im sure
1317 2011-03-30 22:41:38 <[Tycho]> phantomcircuit, what decision ? There wasn't any keylogger in the pc.
1318 2011-03-30 22:42:02 <phantomcircuit> oh i thought you meant sony
1319 2011-03-30 22:42:02 <Spenvo> TD, some interesting product developments at the big G today
1320 2011-03-30 22:42:20 <phantomcircuit> yeah im sure the keylogger wasnt a factory addition ;)
1321 2011-03-30 22:42:55 <Spenvo> premature congrats, i think +1 will be a hit and offer lasting value :)
1322 2011-03-30 22:44:14 <Spenvo> for context: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/1s-right-recommendations-right-when-you.html and if it hasn't rolled out to you, you can join it here: http://www.google.com/experimental/index.html
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1324 2011-03-30 22:44:58 <genjix> luke-jr: kk no worries. just wondered if it was an easy switch to turn on
1325 2011-03-30 22:45:47 <luke-jr> genjix: the hook version is old and required a lot of hacking when I used it
1326 2011-03-30 22:45:51 <luke-jr> and used email :p
1327 2011-03-30 22:45:55 <genjix> phantomcircuit: don't you remember the Sony rootkit?
1328 2011-03-30 22:45:57 <luke-jr> Girocco uses XML-RPC
1329 2011-03-30 22:46:06 <phantomcircuit> genjix, yes
1330 2011-03-30 22:46:49 <genjix> damn, i'm having trouble keeping track of how to boycott
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1333 2011-03-30 22:47:27 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,stats
1334 2011-03-30 22:47:29 <gribble> Current Blocks: 115830 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 1097 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 23 hours, 17 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 75413.98324875
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1336 2011-03-30 22:48:05 <ArtForz> erm... usually by not buying products... I have more trouble keeping track of *who* to boycott ;)
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1338 2011-03-30 22:49:02 <ArtForz> </typo nazi>
1339 2011-03-30 22:51:19 <phantomcircuit> damn sub selects in sqlite are partially why this is slow
1340 2011-03-30 22:51:38 <CIA-96> bitcoin: phantomcircuit <phantomcircuit@covertinferno.org> sqlite3 * r2c2e5ff49c8e bitcoin-alt/ (bitcoin.py bitcoin/peer.py bitcoin/storage.py): load transactions with blocks
1341 2011-03-30 22:51:39 <phantomcircuit> turns out my original problem with sqlite was sqlalchemy being retarded about back populating references
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1343 2011-03-30 22:52:06 <dirtyfilthy> what's the add speed now?
1344 2011-03-30 22:52:26 <phantomcircuit> lets see ill time it
1345 2011-03-30 22:52:43 <sipa> add speed?
1346 2011-03-30 22:53:38 <phantomcircuit> merging blocks/transactions into an sqlite database
1347 2011-03-30 22:54:39 <phantomcircuit> 14002 blocks in 49.533 seconds
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1349 2011-03-30 22:54:51 <phantomcircuit> now mind you that's not even trying to verify the transactions
1350 2011-03-30 22:55:19 <[Tycho]> phantomcircuit, what you are developing ?
1351 2011-03-30 22:55:30 <phantomcircuit> a full p2p node
1352 2011-03-30 22:55:45 <phantomcircuit> so about 7 minutes to download the entire block chain
1353 2011-03-30 22:56:06 <phantomcircuit> i could probably improve that by several orders of magnitude by seeding the block chain
1354 2011-03-30 22:56:10 <genjix> how does that work? are you only downloading headers?
1355 2011-03-30 22:56:18 <xelister> phantomcircuit: what are you doing noob
1356 2011-03-30 22:56:19 <genjix> or not verifying it?
1357 2011-03-30 22:56:19 <phantomcircuit> genjix, blocks/transactions
1358 2011-03-30 22:56:28 <phantomcircuit> ffs this is all on github
1359 2011-03-30 22:56:28 <genjix> :o
1360 2011-03-30 22:56:30 <xelister> phantomcircuit: just use freenet like a linux user
1361 2011-03-30 22:56:36 <genjix> yeah I've been following it
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1363 2011-03-30 22:56:47 <xelister> =)
1364 2011-03-30 22:56:54 <genjix> but mostly just drive by reading of the code
1365 2011-03-30 22:56:57 <phantomcircuit> xelister, i like mah ipv6
1366 2011-03-30 22:56:58 <phantomcircuit> ;)
1367 2011-03-30 22:57:02 <xelister> although yea, faster initiall block implemented lightweight in the bitcoin itself is cool
1368 2011-03-30 22:57:09 <genjix> mostly waiting for a working demo :)
1369 2011-03-30 22:57:10 <xelister> phantomcircuit: what do you mean? freenet works with ipv6
1370 2011-03-30 22:57:36 <phantomcircuit> genjix, removing sqlalchemy resulted in significantly fewer bugs (especially with the ordered lists of transactions/transaction inputs/outputs)
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1372 2011-03-30 23:00:30 <genjix> ic
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1374 2011-03-30 23:01:34 <phantomcircuit> yeah for some reason sqlalchemy doesn't back populate foreign key references before flush(), so if you have a type where part of the primary key is also a foreign key, you end up with NULL and tons of duplicates
1375 2011-03-30 23:02:12 <phantomcircuit> not very smart of them
1376 2011-03-30 23:04:00 * BurtyB looks at his britcoin ... hmmm
1377 2011-03-30 23:04:17 <phantomcircuit> BurtyB, what now
1378 2011-03-30 23:04:59 <BurtyB> phantomcircuit nothing, just checking what has happened as I guess genjix is back to auth stuff
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1380 2011-03-30 23:07:41 <genjix> BurtyB: you deposited, right?
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1382 2011-03-30 23:08:56 <xelister> waaaait. hold the horses... I fucked up previous chat to phantomcircuit
1383 2011-03-30 23:09:12 <genjix> horses are held.
1384 2011-03-30 23:09:14 <genjix> proceed.
1385 2011-03-30 23:09:27 <phantomcircuit> xelister, are you stoned ? :P
1386 2011-03-30 23:09:29 <BurtyB> genjix yeah just looking at the trades
1387 2011-03-30 23:09:29 <xelister> the hisotrical ROOTKIT troyaning of own customers was ofcourse Ati, and currnet troyanning own laptops with preinsalled keyloggers - this is Samsung
1388 2011-03-30 23:09:41 <genjix> BurtyB: nobody has matching rates
1389 2011-03-30 23:09:42 <xelister> what it is with companies starting on S.
1390 2011-03-30 23:09:47 <genjix> there was some trades earlier today
1391 2011-03-30 23:09:59 <xelister> phantomcircuit: no
1392 2011-03-30 23:10:26 <genjix> BTC sell price: 0.58 BTC buy price: 0.33
1393 2011-03-30 23:10:39 <genjix> 0.51
1394 2011-03-30 23:11:01 <genjix> once sell price comes down OR buy price goes up, then trades happen.
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1396 2011-03-30 23:11:42 <BurtyB> genjix yeah, i guess my "Your trades" bit is from stuff that happened earlier today (well 30th)
1397 2011-03-30 23:12:07 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
1398 2011-03-30 23:12:09 <gribble> Current Blocks: 115834 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 1093 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 22 hours, 40 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 75526.70769880
1399 2011-03-30 23:13:03 <phantomcircuit> so what im thinking is that ill implement a webcache
1400 2011-03-30 23:13:04 <genjix> yeah
1401 2011-03-30 23:14:03 <phantomcircuit> hmm actually
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1406 2011-03-30 23:19:39 <EPiSKiNG> argh... just tried to put my 5870 in my case with a 5970
1407 2011-03-30 23:19:55 <EPiSKiNG> boots fine, then when it's about to get into the windows screen i get an error
1408 2011-03-30 23:19:57 <EPiSKiNG> and BSOD
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1410 2011-03-30 23:27:46 <phantomcircuit> EPiSKiNG, you're not using crossfire are you?
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1412 2011-03-30 23:33:15 <BurtyB> genjix PM?
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1414 2011-03-30 23:34:22 <genjix> BurtyB: yes
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1422 2011-03-30 23:49:36 <lfm> EPiSKiNG: try linux
1423 2011-03-30 23:51:05 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,stats
1424 2011-03-30 23:51:07 <gribble> Current Blocks: 115835 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 1092 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 22 hours, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 75314.79956511
1425 2011-03-30 23:55:48 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,stats
1426 2011-03-30 23:55:50 <gribble> Current Blocks: 115836 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 1091 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 22 hours, 40 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 75325.36672629
1427 2011-03-30 23:57:30 <phantomcircuit> block end 56.8924000263
1428 2011-03-30 23:57:31 <phantomcircuit> wat
1429 2011-03-30 23:58:15 <sipa> ?