1 2011-04-03 00:00:08 <JFK911> worms have acid proof coatings
  2 2011-04-03 00:00:17 <JFK911> i gave some tapeworm meds to my cat
  3 2011-04-03 00:00:34 <JFK911> and the description of says it makes the worm unable to produce that protective thing
  4 2011-04-03 00:00:48 <midnightmagic> gross, that ejecta bolus you get sometimes makes me wanna barf
  5 2011-04-03 00:00:53 <JFK911> and be digested
  6 2011-04-03 00:01:31 <midnightmagic> lol it seems poetically appropriate. i wonder if the people who developed that medicine took that approach on purpose. :)
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  8 2011-04-03 00:05:56 <lfm> they just say it is digested for marketing. it convieniently destroys the evidence
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101 2011-04-03 04:27:21 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,stats
102 2011-04-03 04:27:23 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116422 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 505 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 21 hours, 26 minutes, and 15 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 79767.13333209
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104 2011-04-03 04:40:27 <phantomcircuit> it's interesting that this entire place dies on the weekends
105 2011-04-03 04:43:23 <[Tycho]> Oh, it's weekend already...
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117 2011-04-03 05:07:00 * jgarzik throw vitriol at mysql.  Apparently they stomp all over the global namespace, demanding that mysql clients never use highly-mysql-specific symbols such as "list_add", "list_free", or "list_walk"
118 2011-04-03 05:08:11 <jgarzik> wow, bitpenny shut down
119 2011-04-03 05:08:59 <Kiba> what's bitpenny?
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123 2011-04-03 05:29:19 <lfm> bitpenny is another pool
124 2011-04-03 05:37:17 <mrb_> bitpenny's model always seemed very vulnerable to me. In theory an attacker could create losses to the operator by submitting only proof-of-works that corresponding to a difficulty >= 1 but inferior to the difficulty of the Bitcoin network.
125 2011-04-03 05:37:36 <[Tycho]> So they did.
126 2011-04-03 05:38:06 <mrb_> yeah, some idiot probably exploited that.
127 2011-04-03 05:38:21 <mrb_> just to prove his point.
128 2011-04-03 05:38:32 <[Tycho]> It's strange that he had such hashrate available.
129 2011-04-03 05:39:25 <[Tycho]> Sadly bitpenny's total speed is unknown.
130 2011-04-03 05:39:46 <[Tycho]> I had no time to track it :)
131 2011-04-03 05:40:02 <Kiba> never heard of bitpenny
132 2011-04-03 05:40:16 <[Tycho]> It's a hidden pool.
133 2011-04-03 05:40:16 <lfm> so has he admitted he's broke or just gone offline without explaining?
134 2011-04-03 05:40:27 <mrb_> It is safe to say it was less than 100 Ghash/s.
135 2011-04-03 05:40:33 <[Tycho]> He admitted it in a forum post.
136 2011-04-03 05:41:05 <[Tycho]> mrb_, i would expect 10-40
137 2011-04-03 05:41:39 <mrb_> What was OneFixt's commission? 3%?
138 2011-04-03 05:42:07 <[Tycho]> 10%
139 2011-04-03 05:42:40 <mrb_> so assuming bitpenny was 50 Ghash/s, an attacker only needs 5 Ghash/s to run in into the ground with the flaw I decribe above
140 2011-04-03 05:43:24 <mrb_> since he would gain the equivalent of 5 Ghash/s of profits, but without ever causing bitpenny to solve a block
141 2011-04-03 05:43:24 <[Tycho]> 5%, according to OneFixt's opinion
142 2011-04-03 05:45:53 <OneFixt> 5% is enough to make variance quite dangerous
143 2011-04-03 05:45:58 <OneFixt> and anything over 10% is, of course, deadly
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169 2011-04-03 07:54:25 <Stellar> ;;bc,estimate
170 2011-04-03 07:54:27 <gribble> 79774.54140198
171 2011-04-03 07:59:24 <midnightmagic> hooray for prolonged LR downtime.
172 2011-04-03 08:00:20 <grbgout> lr?
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174 2011-04-03 08:02:57 <[Tycho]> Liberty Reserve ?
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176 2011-04-03 08:03:38 <FellowTraveler> hi all
177 2011-04-03 08:04:09 <[Tycho]> Hello.
178 2011-04-03 08:04:22 <grbgout> [Tycho]: ah, that makes sense, thanks.
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192 2011-04-03 08:35:52 <midnightmagic> [Tycho]: yes. it's very irritating.
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211 2011-04-03 10:16:53 <xelister> what miners are there?
212 2011-04-03 10:16:54 <xelister> erm
213 2011-04-03 10:16:57 <xelister> what pools are there
214 2011-04-03 10:17:05 <xelister> slush, deepbit, and?
215 2011-04-03 10:17:59 <xelister> which ones is best in easy fast payoffs?
216 2011-04-03 10:18:18 <BlueMatt> bitcoinpool.com
217 2011-04-03 10:18:25 <BlueMatt> dont know anything about it
218 2011-04-03 10:18:30 <BlueMatt> Ive never used it but its on the list
219 2011-04-03 10:20:17 <xelister> which list?
220 2011-04-03 10:20:41 <gjs278> deepbit is the fastest that I've used if you want your coins right away. slush waits for block confirmations before they credit you.
221 2011-04-03 10:20:42 <[Tycho]> bitcoinpool.com is special.
222 2011-04-03 10:20:50 <BurtyB> lol
223 2011-04-03 10:21:24 <gjs278> bitcoinpool is no fee, but the rate they solve doesn't seem like it would make enough compared to the consistency of the other two pools
224 2011-04-03 10:21:54 <gjs278> especially when the difficulty rate is always rising, so getting your coins quickly makes all of the difference
225 2011-04-03 10:22:09 <[Tycho]> Yesterday they banned all their users with "low efficiency" and locked their forum thread to prevent complains :)
226 2011-04-03 10:22:53 <BlueMatt> ok yea maybe you dont want to use them
227 2011-04-03 10:23:33 <BlueMatt> I prefer slush's pool as its not vulnerable to the pool-switch attack
228 2011-04-03 10:23:45 <BlueMatt> dont know if anyone is actually exploiting that but...
229 2011-04-03 10:24:28 <[Tycho]> Someone suspected that bitcoinpool suffered from this attack because their speed was jumping back and forth
230 2011-04-03 10:25:15 <gjs278> considering their pool is like 13ghash one guy powering off his 5970's for a bit looks like a huge spill
231 2011-04-03 10:25:25 <gjs278> oh wow 18 now
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233 2011-04-03 10:31:31 <[Tycho]> Yeah, it's jumping.
234 2011-04-03 10:31:31 <nathan7> wow, I have 0.104 bitcoins reward \o/
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238 2011-04-03 10:37:21 <xelister> nathan7: if you have hot sister I can arrange for 2 bitcoin reward :}
239 2011-04-03 10:37:55 * xelister makes fun of small pools while mostly mining with Hans
240 2011-04-03 10:38:20 <[Tycho]> Hans ?
241 2011-04-03 10:38:40 <xelister> Hans Solo
242 2011-04-03 10:42:44 <NWTSPV> helping "hands" :-)
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252 2011-04-03 11:01:10 <nathan7> xelister: I'm an only child q=
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260 2011-04-03 11:15:00 <grbgout> BlueMatt: hey.  No dice on that UPS.  Turns out what I was 'remembering' was actually a surge protector, and not a UPS. Someone had brought it to me claiming they had found a ups, but it wasn't ;)  Seems my memory got garbled.
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266 2011-04-03 11:39:23 <nathan7> the leet minute
267 2011-04-03 11:44:54 <xelister> yeap
268 2011-04-03 11:45:56 <grbgout> ;;bc,gen 240770
269 2011-04-03 11:45:59 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 240770 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 3.51083194531 BTC per day and 0.146284664388 BTC per hour.
270 2011-04-03 11:48:00 <maikmerten> ;;bc,gen 70000
271 2011-04-03 11:48:01 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 70000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 1.02071784762 BTC per day and 0.0425299103175 BTC per hour.
272 2011-04-03 11:48:27 <xelister> ;;bc,gen 580000
273 2011-04-03 11:48:28 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 580000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 8.45737645171 BTC per day and 0.352390685488 BTC per hour.
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277 2011-04-03 11:57:47 <mizerydearia> Are there any pixel artists around?\
278 2011-04-03 12:03:10 <xelister> mizerydearia: what needs to be done? some bounty
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282 2011-04-03 12:13:28 <mizerydearia> xelister, Actually...
283 2011-04-03 12:13:37 <mizerydearia> I just messaged Khaaan about a commission
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285 2011-04-03 12:14:07 <mizerydearia> xelister, but basically I want a kind of icon representing 'styles' or themes'
286 2011-04-03 12:14:24 <mizerydearia> "a small image (maybe 24x24) or max height 24px but with can vary a little bit.  An image representing "styles" or "themes"  maybe like a palette, paintbrush or spraycan or something"
287 2011-04-03 12:14:34 <mizerydearia> preferably something matching an existing icon in style to appear similar and not look too much conflicting: http://witcoin.com/img/pot.png
288 2011-04-03 12:14:53 <mizerydearia> "Clicking it will link to a kind of style/theme system for the site where users can create custom styles, vote on them accordingly, support them (e.g. offer donations, etc) and leave comments... as well as make use of each style for categories."
289 2011-04-03 12:15:08 <mizerydearia> e.g. one user-generated style could be 4chan, another reddit, another /., etc
290 2011-04-03 12:15:58 <mizerydearia> ugh, I misspelled it here too ^_^
291 2011-04-03 12:16:01 <mizerydearia> s/with/width/
292 2011-04-03 12:17:09 <mizerydearia> I was kinda hoping to find something symbolic to base an idea for a design off of, but I couldn't think of anything better than a palette or spraycan
293 2011-04-03 12:17:24 <mizerydearia> or paintbrush
294 2011-04-03 12:18:22 <mizerydearia> btw, I wonder if it would be interesting to establish competitor to 99designs.com using bitcoin, even though there is a huge community against 99designs
295 2011-04-03 12:18:56 <mizerydearia> Perhaps soe competitor could establish a more fair implementation to compensate designers for their work.
296 2011-04-03 12:19:15 <mizerydearia> soe?  sony online entertainment?   wtf?  Subliminal advertising?  How is that even possible? X_X
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306 2011-04-03 12:52:12 <CIA-96> bitcoin: genjix * rb826a5440d3d intersango/cron/bankd/parse_deposits.php: skip payments out. http://tinyurl.com/3jjpzyd
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313 2011-04-03 13:26:53 <da2ce7> g'day boys
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317 2011-04-03 13:44:34 <topi`> hi there. Anyone using the oclminer to mine? (it's OpenCL written in C)
318 2011-04-03 13:45:39 <topi`> I just compiled it (on Snow leopard) and it seems to otherwise work OK, but I get status -36 from OpenCL (Invalid command queue)
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329 2011-04-03 14:24:15 <tcatm> topi`: I use it on Linux.
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346 2011-04-03 15:38:28 <jgarzik> rotfl.  bitcoinpool locked their own forum thread, to prevent complaints?
347 2011-04-03 15:39:30 <JFK911> it worked
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351 2011-04-03 15:53:19 <topi`> tcatm: have you ever seen this status -36 from clEnqueueReadBuffer() ?
352 2011-04-03 15:53:48 <tcatm> nope
353 2011-04-03 15:54:21 <topi`> it basically says "invalid command queue", which might be the result of an illegal access from the GPU
354 2011-04-03 15:54:37 <tcatm> what GPU?
355 2011-04-03 15:54:44 <topi`> I even did export CL_LOG_ERRORS="stdout" to see what is happening
356 2011-04-03 15:55:05 <topi`> this is a nvidia 9400m on my macbook, but the osx pages say it supports OpenCL
357 2011-04-03 15:55:28 <tcatm> oh. No idea if it work son nvidia at all. Try an ATI 5970.
358 2011-04-03 15:55:53 <topi`> tcatm: also, Gavin Andresen submitted a patch for oclminer to compile under OSX
359 2011-04-03 15:55:59 <topi`> maybe it only works for him...
360 2011-04-03 15:56:46 <tcatm> I wrote oclminer with ATI hardware in mind. I think there are even macs with ATI GPUs.
361 2011-04-03 15:57:17 <topi`> might be, but currently I don't have much access to other hardware
362 2011-04-03 15:57:35 <topi`> I might have, if I still worked for the company ;)
363 2011-04-03 15:57:46 <topi`> but we live strange times now
364 2011-04-03 15:58:17 <grbgout> topi`: have you tried the poclbm GPU miner?
365 2011-04-03 15:58:33 <topi`> nope. sounds like it has way too many dependencies ;)
366 2011-04-03 16:01:38 <gasteve> so, what's the deal with FairUser and bitcoinpool?  I'm all in favor of people experimenting with alternative payout schemes and such, but every time someone tries to make some rational, technical argument to FairUser, he seems to fly off the handle and level personal insults at people (slush mainly)... and what's up with bitcoinpool being DDOSed?  if someone is doing that, they should knock it off...no matter how irrational FairUser is behaving
367 2011-04-03 16:01:38 <gasteve> trying to attack his service isn't good
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375 2011-04-03 16:16:02 <topi`> grbgout: I don't think it'll make a difference whether there's python or C code running the openCL commands, if the commands don't seem to operate on my gfx card...
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377 2011-04-03 16:16:40 <topi`> and I have no idea if pyOpenCL is available for OSX
378 2011-04-03 16:17:29 <topi`> ok, found py26-pyopencl from macports.
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380 2011-04-03 16:35:21 <jgarzik> gasteve: unfortunately it seems like every pool suffers DoS
381 2011-04-03 16:35:34 <jgarzik> gasteve: slush has suffered through a few
382 2011-04-03 16:36:24 <gasteve> people have nothing better to do?
383 2011-04-03 16:37:42 <jgarzik> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5347.0
384 2011-04-03 16:37:50 <jgarzik> BitcoinPool.com open thread -- will not be locked
385 2011-04-03 16:37:51 <lianj> gasteve: its the internet :P
386 2011-04-03 16:40:13 <gasteve> in any case, it's hardly worth the time trying to have a dialog with FairUser ...hard to rationalize with irrational people
387 2011-04-03 16:41:08 <jgarzik> indeed
388 2011-04-03 16:42:17 <topi`> I am getting only 50-70% usage on my Graphics Processor with the poclbm, odd.
389 2011-04-03 16:42:46 <topi`> the chipset is using 6.2 watts of power, hence it is doing something more than just being idle :)
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395 2011-04-03 16:57:51 <grbgout> ;;bc,wiki
396 2011-04-03 16:57:53 <gribble> https://bitcoin.it/ | Mar 24, 2011 ... Sourced from Wikipedia. Bitcoin is a digital currency created in 2009 by Satoshi Nakamoto. It is also the name of the open source software ...
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414 2011-04-03 17:43:52 <Diablo-D3> hey topi`
415 2011-04-03 17:43:53 <Diablo-D3> try my miner
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426 2011-04-03 18:06:12 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: any guesses on the chances of getting upnp merged?
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430 2011-04-03 18:07:11 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: there seemed to be general agreement about merging it, defaulting to disabled
431 2011-04-03 18:07:34 <BlueMatt> ok, nice
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433 2011-04-03 18:12:26 <lyspooner> ;;last tcatm
434 2011-04-03 18:12:27 <gribble> (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)
435 2011-04-03 18:12:33 <lyspooner> ;;seen tcatm
436 2011-04-03 18:12:34 <gribble> tcatm was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 2 hours, 15 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <tcatm> I wrote oclminer with ATI hardware in mind. I think there are even macs with ATI GPUs.
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443 2011-04-03 18:31:11 <jgarzik> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5351.0
444 2011-04-03 18:31:12 <jgarzik> [PULL] remove 4way SSE2 miner algorithm
445 2011-04-03 18:31:22 <jgarzik> anyone around, willing to build test this for me?
446 2011-04-03 18:31:38 <jgarzik> my build machinery is a bit exotic, and doesn't use the standard makefiles
447 2011-04-03 18:31:54 <lfm> jgarzik: the 4way is still best on phenom isnt it?
448 2011-04-03 18:32:22 <jgarzik> lfm: should be better on newer AMD than standard, yes
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450 2011-04-03 18:32:53 <jgarzik> lfm: but fastest on Phenom is either ufasoft's cpu miner, or mine w/ algo 4way
451 2011-04-03 18:33:02 <jgarzik> lfm: bitcoin's 4way is slower
452 2011-04-03 18:33:09 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: pulling, IMHO, this should fall under the "remove miner and leave reference implementation" where the "reference implementation" is the simplest to understand for people who need a "reference"
453 2011-04-03 18:33:18 <lfm> jgarzik: oh ok
454 2011-04-03 18:33:27 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: yes
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457 2011-04-03 18:43:44 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: builds/appears to work fine with standard unix&mingw makefiles, bitcoin & bitcoind
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459 2011-04-03 18:45:42 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: thanks much.  Up for a challenge?  :)  https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/142
460 2011-04-03 18:45:51 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: well except for the existing win32 bitcoind fails, but with that change it works fine
461 2011-04-03 18:46:52 <tcatm> jgarzik: how could a GUI user disable the miner after upgrading to a version with that patch?
462 2011-04-03 18:47:14 <jasonphd> jgarzik: to test a proof of work, you double hash256 the submitted data and make sure that the result is less than the target difficulty..... but what exactly do you double hash? it doesn't appear to be a double hash of the entire submitted data, but only the first 160 characters or so, and it appears you need to reverse/flip it first, but i can't find any documentation detailing the exact process.
463 2011-04-03 18:47:34 <jgarzik> tcatm: good point...
464 2011-04-03 18:47:51 <BlueMatt> so...always disable mining in gui?
465 2011-04-03 18:48:07 <lfm> jasonphd: yes the block header is just the first 80 mbytes of the getwork data
466 2011-04-03 18:48:27 <tcatm> I'd say move the setting to the options dialog and rename it
467 2011-04-03 18:48:47 <lfm> jasonphd: it is padded for those stripped down sha256 routines that dont do their own padding
468 2011-04-03 18:49:07 <jgarzik> tcatm: I'd rather just disable at startup, if (GUI && wallet_generation_enabled)
469 2011-04-03 18:49:23 <lfm> 80 bytes, not 80 mbytes
470 2011-04-03 18:49:31 <jgarzik> tcatm: command line can re-enable, if they wish
471 2011-04-03 18:49:35 <tcatm> jgarzik: sounds good, too
472 2011-04-03 18:49:49 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: yep
473 2011-04-03 18:49:54 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: unless command line says otherwise
474 2011-04-03 18:49:58 <BlueMatt> more like if (GUI && wallet_generation_enabled && !-gen=1)
475 2011-04-03 18:50:04 <BlueMatt> oh 1 sec too late on that one
476 2011-04-03 18:50:24 <jasonphd> lfm: but you don't just take those first 80 bytes (160 characters) and double sha-256 hash them... you have to do something to them before the hash (flip them? reverse them? something?) what are those middle steps?
477 2011-04-03 18:50:54 <BlueMatt> since when is 80 bytes 160 chars?
478 2011-04-03 18:50:54 <jgarzik> jasonphd: there are no docs.  at this level, you _really_ need to be reading bitcoin source code, and understanding exactly what is being hashed.
479 2011-04-03 18:51:02 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: 160 hex chars
480 2011-04-03 18:51:07 <BlueMatt> oh
481 2011-04-03 18:51:26 * BlueMatt shows his noobishness again
482 2011-04-03 18:51:44 <lfm> jasonphd: I dont think you flip them if you are using a standard sha256 routine. you may have to flip the sha256 output tho, both between the two calls and after the second call
483 2011-04-03 18:52:26 <lfm> BlueMatt: 80 bytes is 160 chars when it is hex coded
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485 2011-04-03 18:52:36 <BlueMatt> lfm: read jgarzik's last msg
486 2011-04-03 18:52:52 <sipa> quite sure there is no flipping in between the two sha256 rounds
487 2011-04-03 18:53:01 <sipa> just keep the order of bytes from the output in the input
488 2011-04-03 18:53:10 <jgarzik> lfm: I believe he's looking at checkwork() in http://yyz.us/bitcoin/poold.py  which is indeed the standard sha256.  However, you need to byte/word reverse, if you are going to build python 256-bit integer, to test "hash < target"
489 2011-04-03 18:53:14 <sipa> there is some strange byte-swapping afterwards though
490 2011-04-03 18:53:19 <jgarzik> yep
491 2011-04-03 18:53:32 <jgarzik> 	data = datastr.decode('hex')[:80]
492 2011-04-03 18:53:32 <jgarzik> 	data = bufreverse(data)
493 2011-04-03 18:53:32 <jgarzik> 	hash1_o = hashlib.sha256()
494 2011-04-03 18:53:32 <jgarzik> 	hash1_o.update(data)
495 2011-04-03 18:53:32 <jgarzik> 	hash1 = hash1_o.digest()
496 2011-04-03 18:53:33 <jgarzik> 	hash_o = hashlib.sha256()
497 2011-04-03 18:53:34 <jgarzik> 	hash_o.update(hash1)
498 2011-04-03 18:53:36 <jgarzik> 	hash = hash_o.digest()
499 2011-04-03 18:53:38 <jgarzik> 	hash = bufreverse(hash)
500 2011-04-03 18:53:40 <jgarzik> 	hash = wordreverse(hash)
501 2011-04-03 18:54:05 <tcatm> you can feed the output of the first sha256() into the second. just add the constants.
502 2011-04-03 18:54:18 <lfm> jgarzik: ya ok, you treat that 256 bit result as a little endian extended int for compare
503 2011-04-03 18:54:47 <jasonphd> jgarzik: yes that's the code i'm looking at... you take the first 80 bytes... run your mysterious to me "bufreverse" routine, then double hash it..... i can't figure out what exactly that routine is doing... i'm trying to translate it to another language (php)
504 2011-04-03 18:55:06 <lfm> tcatm: if you use standard sha256 calls the lib adds the padding so you should not pass the padding
505 2011-04-03 18:55:19 <jgarzik> jasonphd: bufreverse calls bytereverse.  bytereverse performs a byte swap on a 32-bit integer.
506 2011-04-03 18:55:30 <jgarzik> jasonphd: wordreverse swaps the 32-bit words inside a 256-bit integer.
507 2011-04-03 18:55:58 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, wtf is that shit
508 2011-04-03 18:56:06 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: be->le
509 2011-04-03 18:56:19 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, no i mean the code you pasted
510 2011-04-03 18:56:25 <phantomcircuit> hash1_o
511 2011-04-03 18:56:26 <phantomcircuit> wtf
512 2011-04-03 18:56:31 <lfm> jasonphd: the buf reverse should be internal to the sha256 routine if you can find a standard library for sha256
513 2011-04-03 18:56:48 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: _o distinguishes the hash object, from the hash data
514 2011-04-03 18:56:55 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: hash data lacks _o suffix
515 2011-04-03 18:57:08 <phantomcircuit> oh wow using .update
516 2011-04-03 18:57:10 <phantomcircuit> classy
517 2011-04-03 18:57:29 <phantomcircuit> hash = hashlib.sha256(data).digest()
518 2011-04-03 18:57:35 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: hey, it was my very first python program :)
519 2011-04-03 18:57:41 <phantomcircuit> xD
520 2011-04-03 18:57:44 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: that's like shooting fish in a barrell
521 2011-04-03 18:58:36 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, to be fair im sure there's a million+1 people who would call my threaded peers approach an aboomination
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523 2011-04-03 19:04:39 <mizerydearia> btw, if anyone is interested in participating in some kind of investment or business discussion sparked by Current-C about witcoin, feel free to join #witcoin
524 2011-04-03 19:05:02 <mizerydearia> not all at once, OMFGZ  .... j/k
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534 2011-04-03 19:43:22 <grbgout> niet: welcome.
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543 2011-04-03 20:19:51 <sipa> at which frequency are unconfirmed wallet transactions retransmitted?
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545 2011-04-03 20:20:08 <BlueMatt> sipa: never IIRC
546 2011-04-03 20:20:38 <PLATO> hi guys, my client lost connection when I tried to transfer coins, my wallet reports the tx as 0/unconfirmed and the coins as unavailable, but it never went throuhg
547 2011-04-03 20:20:56 <sipa> PLATO: i already asked :)
548 2011-04-03 20:21:00 <PLATO> ty
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556 2011-04-03 20:46:44 <mizerydearia> Are there any php-skilled developers around?  pm me if you would like.
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562 2011-04-03 20:56:48 <nathan7> mizerydearia: What for?
563 2011-04-03 20:57:02 * nathan7 is semi-interested
564 2011-04-03 21:00:01 <BurtyB> top secret plan to take over the world maybe?
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566 2011-04-03 21:01:04 <BlueMatt> or just something to do with witcoin ;)
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571 2011-04-03 21:12:24 <BurtyB> awe
572 2011-04-03 21:19:50 <nathan7> some
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574 2011-04-03 21:25:27 <jgarzik> sipa: unconfirmed wallet transactions are retransmitted "infrequently and randomly"
575 2011-04-03 21:27:47 <echelon> who was that guy that owes people a lot of bitcoins?
576 2011-04-03 21:28:39 <echelon> he used to borrow money to place bets?
577 2011-04-03 21:28:51 <Blitzboom> stevenbucks i think
578 2011-04-03 21:28:58 <echelon> or was it in the casinos
579 2011-04-03 21:29:10 <echelon> ah kk
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581 2011-04-03 21:39:42 <davex__> ;;bc,stats
582 2011-04-03 21:39:45 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116552 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 375 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 3 hours, 15 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 80308.55946148
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584 2011-04-03 21:41:26 <xenon481> jgarzik: Why'd you delete your comment in the Bitcoinpool thread?
585 2011-04-03 21:42:02 <jgarzik> xenon481: didn't want to inflame the situation further.  I should learn to sit back and let others comment :)
586 2011-04-03 21:42:14 <xenon481> ;)
587 2011-04-03 21:42:21 <jgarzik> xenon481: +1 your comment, though
588 2011-04-03 21:42:25 <xenon481> Thanks.
589 2011-04-03 21:42:38 <sipa> which thread?
590 2011-04-03 21:42:41 <jgarzik> xenon481: I thought it was a good summary
591 2011-04-03 21:42:46 <jgarzik> sipa: "bitcoinpool.com open thread"
592 2011-04-03 21:42:52 <xenon481> I tried to be fair and techincal, but had to get the trust part in there too.
593 2011-04-03 21:43:03 <jgarzik> yeah
594 2011-04-03 21:49:09 <sipa> jgarzik: by the way, what is "infrequently" ? (or where do i find it in the source)
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601 2011-04-03 22:00:30 <jgarzik> sipa: ResendWalletTransactions
602 2011-04-03 22:00:46 <jgarzik> sipa: it's best to read the source.  short function, and my explanation would be just as long :)
603 2011-04-03 22:01:05 <jgarzik> sipa: IIRC, satoshi did not want a regular resend, for privacy reasons
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605 2011-04-03 22:02:19 <sipa> i should have known...
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620 2011-04-03 22:51:28 <phantomcircuit> bah the fucking getblocks call should work differently
621 2011-04-03 22:52:31 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,stats
622 2011-04-03 22:52:33 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116561 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 366 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 1 hour, 49 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 80347.62150634
623 2011-04-03 22:57:22 <sipa> phantomcircuit: how so?
624 2011-04-03 22:58:11 <phantomcircuit> sipa, it tries to connect heads to tails, except you cannot possibly know what the correct head is
625 2011-04-03 22:58:35 <phantomcircuit> instead it should build backwards 500 blocks at a time from the tail
626 2011-04-03 22:59:55 <tcatm> It works pretty good when you start from genesis.
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628 2011-04-03 23:01:14 <phantomcircuit> tcatm, yes but it assumes the block chain is a chain... but it's really a tree
629 2011-04-03 23:01:39 <tcatm> Most clients will only ever see a chain
630 2011-04-03 23:05:17 <EPiSKiNG> question... it seems like when I restart my computer, my bitcoin address has changed
631 2011-04-03 23:06:21 <phantomcircuit> tcatm, still seems silly given that the protocl for handling a tree would be much simpler
632 2011-04-03 23:06:42 <phantomcircuit> tcatm, give me your highest block/give me the 500 blocks below this one
633 2011-04-03 23:08:23 <tcatm> sure, that would make building the tree easier.
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635 2011-04-03 23:14:25 <jgarzik> it's a tree with a few short, stubbly branches here and there, but mostly it's a chain
636 2011-04-03 23:15:07 <jgarzik> massive block download should really be OOB, though
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675 2011-04-03 23:40:47 <robblesz> Hi all, having a bit of trouble with the 0.3.20.02 CLI interface under Debian oldstable. All commands that require an account name argument seem to freeze bitcoind
676 2011-04-03 23:41:33 <robblesz> for example, bitcoind listreceivedbyaddress 0 true works, but bitcoind getaccountaddress "Your Address" just sits there
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678 2011-04-03 23:41:57 <robblesz> I have to ctrl-c out of it, and then any subsequent commands don't return anything
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680 2011-04-03 23:48:25 <robblesz> Okay, now it does work... I guess some commands are laggy? Or maybe I should wait a while after startup before issuing commands
681 2011-04-03 23:49:28 <Kiba> it seems that nobody created The Bitcoin Weekly wiki entry yet
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683 2011-04-03 23:50:08 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,stats
684 2011-04-03 23:50:15 <phantomcircuit> ?
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708 2011-04-03 23:53:51 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116568 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 359 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 0 hours, 51 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 80319.07242907
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711 2011-04-03 23:54:21 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116568 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 359 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 0 hours, 51 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 80319.07242907
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717 2011-04-03 23:54:43 <robblesz> Maybe it's that deadlock issue discussed on http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4904.0
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732 2011-04-03 23:56:17 <LobsterMan> ugh why does freenode suck :|
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742 2011-04-03 23:58:32 <gasteve> in what way does freenode suck?
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744 2011-04-03 23:59:16 <gasteve> btw, in what ways are freenode, i2p, and tor different?