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9 2011-04-04 00:05:57 <robblesz> freenode is just an irc network, i2p and tor are p2p networks
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21 2011-04-04 00:08:57 <phantomcircuit> gasteve, i assume you meant freenet
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23 2011-04-04 00:09:37 <gasteve> yes
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25 2011-04-04 00:10:17 <phantomcircuit> gasteve, tor basically is just proxy chaining
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28 2011-04-04 00:10:45 <phantomcircuit> gasteve, which means lower latency but significantly increases the risk of timming attacks
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30 2011-04-04 00:11:16 <phantomcircuit> gasteve, freenet is slower but i've not ever seen an attack against it
31 2011-04-04 00:11:20 <phantomcircuit> not even an impractical one
32 2011-04-04 00:12:24 <gasteve> and what about i2p?
33 2011-04-04 00:12:39 <EPiSKiNG-> was the most recent difficulty change the first time it's ever gone down?
34 2011-04-04 00:12:51 <lfm> no
35 2011-04-04 00:13:00 <gasteve> EPiSKiNG-: no
36 2011-04-04 00:13:12 <lfm> it went down once about a year ago
37 2011-04-04 00:13:33 <phantomcircuit> gasteve, iirc i2p basically works the same way tor does
38 2011-04-04 00:13:59 EPiSKiNG- is now known as EPiSKiNG
39 2011-04-04 00:14:04 <lfm> i think i2p is more like nesred vpns
40 2011-04-04 00:14:16 <lfm> nested
41 2011-04-04 00:14:20 <EPiSKiNG> wonder what the next big thing will be for mining...
42 2011-04-04 00:14:42 <theorbtwo> EPiSKiNG: FPGAs.
43 2011-04-04 00:14:52 <phantomcircuit> theorbtwo, unlikely
44 2011-04-04 00:15:02 <phantomcircuit> they're slower than gpgpu
45 2011-04-04 00:15:18 <theorbtwo> Hm. There was a guy in here a week or two ago doing it.
46 2011-04-04 00:15:28 <theorbtwo> Seemed to know what he was doing.
47 2011-04-04 00:16:03 <phantomcircuit> i assume you're talking about ArtForz
48 2011-04-04 00:16:16 <phantomcircuit> who is using asics actually
49 2011-04-04 00:16:28 <theorbtwo> Eeep.
50 2011-04-04 00:16:31 <theorbtwo> Yes, I am.
51 2011-04-04 00:16:47 <lfm> phantomcircuit: I think he is watching fpgas too
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55 2011-04-04 00:24:16 <phantomcircuit> it's kind of weird that the bounty for the movie was 13k btc
56 2011-04-04 00:24:21 <phantomcircuit> but for freenet it's only 300
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59 2011-04-04 00:25:22 <JFK911> is there still a huge transaction backlog
60 2011-04-04 00:25:24 <lfm> most people value performance way over security
61 2011-04-04 00:27:24 <lfm> probably if you had an app that would seed up their system 10% but also intentionally installed a botnet virus you would still get lots of people installing it
62 2011-04-04 00:27:45 <lfm> intentionally -> openly
63 2011-04-04 00:28:03 <phantomcircuit> lol
64 2011-04-04 00:28:04 <phantomcircuit> possibly
65 2011-04-04 00:28:18 <phantomcircuit> i bet i could run a blocks web cache
66 2011-04-04 00:28:28 <phantomcircuit> and just randomly stop sending people blocks
67 2011-04-04 00:28:29 <phantomcircuit> lol
68 2011-04-04 00:29:30 <lfm> bitcoin blocks? isnt that what normal nodes do?
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146 2011-04-04 02:29:03 <phantomcircuit> i think theres testnet ip/ports being passed around the main net
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226 2011-04-04 03:24:07 <Camanarac> Hi
227 2011-04-04 03:24:21 <Camanarac> How are you all?
228 2011-04-04 03:24:48 <luke-jr_> â¦
229 2011-04-04 03:24:53 <Camanarac> Well I am a newbie so this may sound offensive but --
230 2011-04-04 03:25:26 <luke-jr_> you type too slow.
231 2011-04-04 03:25:37 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr_, why so mean
232 2011-04-04 03:25:41 <phantomcircuit> Camanarac, go ahead
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234 2011-04-04 03:26:01 <Camanarac> Do somebody know how to setup a miner?
235 2011-04-04 03:26:20 <luke-jr> what Radeon?
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237 2011-04-04 03:26:27 <Camanarac> I downloaded the puddinpop's CPU/GPU miner but I don't know what to do now
238 2011-04-04 03:26:31 <Camanarac> ATI
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240 2011-04-04 03:27:47 <Camanarac> ATI mobility radeon HD530 v
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244 2011-04-04 03:29:17 <luke-jr> there is no HD 530
245 2011-04-04 03:29:25 <luke-jr> try again
246 2011-04-04 03:29:30 <isilion> hi ppl
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251 2011-04-04 03:29:53 <isilion> it's possible to program a gpu miner for older cards?
252 2011-04-04 03:30:08 <isilion> like Geforce6+
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258 2011-04-04 03:31:00 <luke-jr> isilion: nvidia cards are not worth mining on anymore
259 2011-04-04 03:31:01 <phantomcircuit> isilion, no point too slow
260 2011-04-04 03:31:40 <Camanarac> How do I run the miner in the first place?
261 2011-04-04 03:31:53 <isilion> my point is that i have 3 cards of that generation without use, and only CPU mining
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264 2011-04-04 03:32:18 <phantomcircuit> isilion, there's really no point in cpu mining either
265 2011-04-04 03:32:28 <luke-jr> Camanarac: most people use Linux anymore, so I don't know if you'll get much help with Windows here
266 2011-04-04 03:32:36 <luke-jr> isilion: CPU mining costs you money
267 2011-04-04 03:32:53 <isilion> could be reasonable, make a miner for legacy hardware? (P4 with that cards)
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269 2011-04-04 03:33:03 <isilion> i got a cluster of 4 prescotss...
270 2011-04-04 03:33:06 <phantomcircuit> isilion, you'll lose money on the cost of power alone
271 2011-04-04 03:33:15 <isilion> 2mhps in total
272 2011-04-04 03:33:19 <isilion> i know
273 2011-04-04 03:33:21 <luke-jr> â¦
274 2011-04-04 03:33:26 <isilion> but i have my reasons
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276 2011-04-04 03:33:49 <phantomcircuit> uh like hwat?
277 2011-04-04 03:33:52 <isilion> Pirat Partiet... own pool... cant accept donations... must generate.
278 2011-04-04 03:33:52 <phantomcircuit> free power?
279 2011-04-04 03:33:56 <[Tycho\> Hello, Camanarac. What is your problem ?
280 2011-04-04 03:34:08 <Camanarac> Hello Tycho
281 2011-04-04 03:34:15 <isilion> in Spain donations to Politics cannot be anonymous
282 2011-04-04 03:34:16 <luke-jr> isilion: â¦
283 2011-04-04 03:34:26 <luke-jr> isilion: so don't accept it anonymously?
284 2011-04-04 03:34:28 <Camanarac> my problem is that I don't know how to run a miner
285 2011-04-04 03:34:35 <isilion> PP-es is very interested in BC
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287 2011-04-04 03:34:40 <[Tycho\> Camanarac, what GPU do you have ?
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314 2011-04-04 03:34:49 <isilion> no, we cant, is illegal
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316 2011-04-04 03:34:54 <luke-jr> isilion: again, at 2 MH/sec, you will be PAYING MORE than you generate
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320 2011-04-04 03:34:55 <Camanarac> I think it is ATI
321 2011-04-04 03:35:05 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, which one ?
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323 2011-04-04 03:35:07 <luke-jr> Camanarac: exact model number
324 2011-04-04 03:35:36 <Camanarac> The dxdialog says ATI mobility Radeon HD 530v
325 2011-04-04 03:35:36 <isilion> thats with the standard bitcoin program
326 2011-04-04 03:35:39 <isilion> mining cpu
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328 2011-04-04 03:35:53 <isilion> i dont know how much reaches jrnarnik
329 2011-04-04 03:36:01 <isilion> or how it name were
330 2011-04-04 03:36:04 <luke-jr> Camanarac: it's probably worthless
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332 2011-04-04 03:36:19 <isilion> jgarzik's
333 2011-04-04 03:36:20 <isilion> ?
334 2011-04-04 03:36:22 <Camanarac> How do you know that mining will be worthless?
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336 2011-04-04 03:36:40 <isilion> YES, BUT IT IS OUR ONLY WAY TO FINANCIATE!!
337 2011-04-04 03:36:55 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, notebooks aren't really good for mining. You need a GPU with OpenCL support to mine with it.
338 2011-04-04 03:36:56 <isilion> one of our bests
339 2011-04-04 03:37:03 <luke-jr> Camanarac: because you need a good Radeon nowadays, and mobility usually aren't even decent
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341 2011-04-04 03:37:18 <isilion> as now in Spain ppl cannot afford a donation
342 2011-04-04 03:37:20 <luke-jr> isilion: if it's costing you money, it isn't financing anyone
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344 2011-04-04 03:37:28 <xenon481> isilion: The only way that any money will be made to be able to finance whatever political party you are trying to deal with is going to be by stealing power to mine if you are only using CPUs.
345 2011-04-04 03:37:40 <isilion> we are plaining
346 2011-04-04 03:37:44 <isilion> to make a pool
347 2011-04-04 03:37:44 <xenon481> isilion: and stealing is also illegal
348 2011-04-04 03:37:48 <isilion> our own pool
349 2011-04-04 03:37:54 <Camanarac> I don't mean how do you "By default" know that it won't work, but if you know how to calculate cost vs profit?
350 2011-04-04 03:38:00 ForceMajeure_ is now known as ForceMajeure
351 2011-04-04 03:38:03 <isilion> and ask simpatients to be volunteers
352 2011-04-04 03:38:12 <isilion> in finding golden bits in our river
353 2011-04-04 03:38:16 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
354 2011-04-04 03:38:28 <luke-jr> isilion: that's anonymous donation.
355 2011-04-04 03:38:33 <isilion> and donate to the president
356 2011-04-04 03:38:40 <isilion> so he could donate to the party
357 2011-04-04 03:38:43 <isilion> :)
358 2011-04-04 03:38:50 <Camanarac> Thanks Tycho
359 2011-04-04 03:38:50 <isilion> thats, legal...
360 2011-04-04 03:38:54 therealnanotube is now known as nanotube
361 2011-04-04 03:38:59 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, you still can use CPU for mining, but it will give you negative profit if you are paying for your energy.
362 2011-04-04 03:39:28 <Camanarac> I can mine from my office =D
363 2011-04-04 03:39:40 <isilion> ie
364 2011-04-04 03:39:46 <isilion> ppl could mine in their offices
365 2011-04-04 03:39:58 <isilion> corps should take care of power costs
366 2011-04-04 03:40:03 <luke-jr> it could be argued, that is theft
367 2011-04-04 03:40:16 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, CPU mining will give you less than 0.5 BTC per day. Usually much less.
368 2011-04-04 03:40:31 <isilion> at the moment is better than nothing
369 2011-04-04 03:40:40 <Camanarac> But from my office all energy can be deduced from taxes
370 2011-04-04 03:40:42 <isilion> in 4 months of new web
371 2011-04-04 03:41:04 <isilion> we only have acquired about 500Â
372 2011-04-04 03:41:09 <xenon481> isilion: That is called stealing.
373 2011-04-04 03:41:13 <isilion> its ridiculous for a Party
374 2011-04-04 03:41:24 <Camanarac> I don't care it gives little. It gives little is better than it gives nothing
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376 2011-04-04 03:42:13 <isilion> xenon, they are stealing us
377 2011-04-04 03:42:17 <Camanarac> In any case, my actual job takes very little processing power from my CPU but my CPU must be running for me to work
378 2011-04-04 03:42:30 echelon has joined
379 2011-04-04 03:42:33 <isilion> electricals are the highest bill of the month
380 2011-04-04 03:42:37 <isilion> for every family
381 2011-04-04 03:42:56 jeekl has joined
382 2011-04-04 03:43:19 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,gen 3000
383 2011-04-04 03:43:19 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 3000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 0.0437450506123 BTC per day and 0.00182271044218 BTC per hour.
384 2011-04-04 03:43:35 <isilion> please, just answer my question, dont worry about if iths worthy
385 2011-04-04 03:43:36 <Camanarac> Oh here comes the "govern fucks us" talk :(
386 2011-04-04 03:43:45 <[Tycho]> You'll get 0.04 BTC with average CPU core.
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388 2011-04-04 03:43:59 <isilion> think what you want, i know what i say
389 2011-04-04 03:44:06 <[Tycho]> A modern one.
390 2011-04-04 03:44:07 <Camanarac> Ok then answer me this
391 2011-04-04 03:44:22 <Camanarac> What is the processing used for?
392 2011-04-04 03:44:41 <luke-jr> Camanarac: CPUs use less electricity when idle
393 2011-04-04 03:44:51 <[Tycho]> Storing transactions in the chain.
394 2011-04-04 03:45:08 <luke-jr> Camanarac: the processing is wasted
395 2011-04-04 03:45:14 <Camanarac> Ok so minning is not the strategy to go
396 2011-04-04 03:45:18 <luke-jr> Camanarac: it serves no purpose other than to prove you did it
397 2011-04-04 03:45:26 <luke-jr> no, mining is not
398 2011-04-04 03:45:29 <Camanarac> Seriuos?
399 2011-04-04 03:45:33 <luke-jr> yes
400 2011-04-04 03:45:37 <xenon481> Absolutely
401 2011-04-04 03:45:39 <Camanarac> Wasted?
402 2011-04-04 03:45:46 <Camanarac> Absolutely wasted?
403 2011-04-04 03:45:47 <isilion> im an amateur programmer, i think i could try to just change jgarzik or any OpenCL miner for the functions of the standard drivers
404 2011-04-04 03:45:50 <luke-jr> the reason being, the harder it is to prove you did it, the more secure the network is from anyone taking control
405 2011-04-04 03:45:51 <xenon481> Unless you have a modern GPU, then yes. Wasted. Absolutely
406 2011-04-04 03:45:52 <isilion> its that possible?
407 2011-04-04 03:46:05 <isilion> dont argue if its worty, just answer
408 2011-04-04 03:46:09 <isilion> worthy*
409 2011-04-04 03:46:11 <luke-jr> Camanarac: it's not "absolutely wasted" because it keeps the network secure
410 2011-04-04 03:46:20 <Camanarac> Oh
411 2011-04-04 03:46:26 <[Tycho]> isilion, jgarzik's is a CPU miner.
412 2011-04-04 03:46:28 <luke-jr> but the calcuation itself is worthless
413 2011-04-04 03:46:31 zylche has joined
414 2011-04-04 03:46:39 <Camanarac> I was thinking that processing could be sold to RenderFarms
415 2011-04-04 03:46:41 EPiSKiNG has joined
416 2011-04-04 03:46:52 <luke-jr> Camanarac: then RenderFarms would control the network
417 2011-04-04 03:47:04 <[Tycho]> isilion, what do you mean talking about the drivers ?
418 2011-04-04 03:47:22 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
419 2011-04-04 03:47:23 <isilion> the ati an nvidia free linux drivers
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421 2011-04-04 03:47:25 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116598 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 329 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 20 hours, 46 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 80643.31668481
422 2011-04-04 03:47:30 <xenon481> [Tycho]: He thinks he can change out the hardware layer of the code with ease.
423 2011-04-04 03:48:22 <JFK911> is there still a huge transaction backlog
424 2011-04-04 03:48:26 <xenon481> He thinks that he can somehow get results back from a graphics chip that doesn't support GPGPU capabilities.
425 2011-04-04 03:48:28 <isilion> i mean use the standard driver functions to calculate hashes instead of the Open Computing Languaje one
426 2011-04-04 03:49:03 <luke-jr> isilion: there's a bounty on that
427 2011-04-04 03:49:07 <[Tycho]> isilion, on GPGPU chips ?
428 2011-04-04 03:49:09 <luke-jr> isilion: if you do it, you get paid for it ;)
429 2011-04-04 03:49:27 <isilion> really?
430 2011-04-04 03:49:37 <isilion> i mean
431 2011-04-04 03:49:40 <[Tycho]> JFK911, no.
432 2011-04-04 03:57:15 <isilion> if its possible? i dont have looked at bitcoind code
433 2011-04-04 03:57:16 <JFK911> [Tycho]: thanks for info.
434 2011-04-04 03:57:17 <[Tycho]> JFK911, http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/
435 2011-04-04 03:57:18 <JFK911> ohh i didnt realize this data was visible here.
436 2011-04-04 03:57:18 <isilion> GPU are
437 2011-04-04 03:57:19 <JFK911> thankyou, bookmarked.
438 2011-04-04 03:57:19 <aoeuueoa> ;;bc,gen 620000
439 2011-04-04 03:57:19 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 620000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 9.0406437932 BTC per day and 0.376693491384 BTC per hour.
440 2011-04-04 03:57:21 <xenon481> Let's be clear on exactly what the bounty is for. Is it for being able to mine on non-GPGPU hardware?
441 2011-04-04 03:57:22 <isilion> sorry, what is GPGPU?
442 2011-04-04 03:57:22 <JFK911> its a gpu that can compute
443 2011-04-04 03:57:23 <isilion> not all GPUs can?
444 2011-04-04 03:57:23 <JFK911> no
445 2011-04-04 03:57:24 <JFK911> nv 8000+ i think
446 2011-04-04 03:57:24 <JFK911> and ati 4000+
447 2011-04-04 03:57:24 <isilion> ati 9600 pro
448 2011-04-04 03:57:24 <isilion> is one of mine
449 2011-04-04 03:57:24 <isilion> nvidia 6200 is the other
450 2011-04-04 03:57:24 <JFK911> i mean since they reset their numbers
451 2011-04-04 03:57:25 <isilion> oh..
452 2011-04-04 03:57:26 <JFK911> so, radeon HD
453 2011-04-04 03:57:27 <xenon481> Those two cards will never be able to mine.
454 2011-04-04 03:57:27 <JFK911> i have an 8500gt, it computes but it's worthless and power wasting
455 2011-04-04 03:57:28 <isilion> goddam i have very quite old hardware
456 2011-04-04 03:57:28 <isilion> :(
457 2011-04-04 03:57:30 <JFK911> yeah, i didn't care about video cards until bitcoin drugs market appeared
458 2011-04-04 03:57:31 <[Tycho]> isilion, only the last GPUs can make general purpose calculations.
459 2011-04-04 03:57:33 <[Tycho]> isilion, all the others can only do predefined oerations for image rendering.
460 2011-04-04 03:57:34 <isilion> well...
461 2011-04-04 03:57:35 <isilion> ok i quit
462 2011-04-04 03:57:35 <Camanarac> I also!
463 2011-04-04 03:57:35 <JFK911> get a computer with a PCIe slot isilion
464 2011-04-04 03:57:35 <Camanarac> High five isilion!
465 2011-04-04 03:57:35 <JFK911> i got an ati 5550 for $30
466 2011-04-04 03:57:35 <JFK911> and a used 5870 for $120
467 2011-04-04 03:57:36 <Camanarac> But I couldn't even run a miner
468 2011-04-04 03:57:42 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, why ?
469 2011-04-04 03:58:09 <ephemer0l> hey all, will a new card run on an old PCIe x16 bus
470 2011-04-04 03:58:18 <JFK911> yes
471 2011-04-04 03:58:32 <ephemer0l> nice
472 2011-04-04 03:58:33 <Camanarac> It is not as simple as the "double click" I am used as Windows user
473 2011-04-04 03:59:04 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, there is GUI client for OpenCL mining.
474 2011-04-04 03:59:16 <gjs278> I can't get opencl to work in winxp
475 2011-04-04 03:59:20 <Camanarac> What client is it?
476 2011-04-04 03:59:21 <gjs278> for my 5870
477 2011-04-04 03:59:36 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, for GUI CPU mining you can use official client, but you won't mine anything with it.
478 2011-04-04 04:00:18 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, poclbm-gui. But you'll need a real PC and GPU to use it.
479 2011-04-04 04:00:32 <[Tycho]> gjs278, what is your problem ?
480 2011-04-04 04:00:47 <gjs278> the opencl just won't turn on for windows
481 2011-04-04 04:00:53 <Camanarac> [Tycho], That is why I was intending pooled mining
482 2011-04-04 04:01:02 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, why ?
483 2011-04-04 04:01:15 <[Tycho]> gjs278, it's the only one video card in your PC ?
484 2011-04-04 04:01:18 <gjs278> I've got stream 2.2 and ati drivers up to date, no detection of opencl
485 2011-04-04 04:01:19 <gjs278> yes
486 2011-04-04 04:01:25 <Camanarac> Because I know that my hardware may not be the best
487 2011-04-04 04:01:30 <gjs278> I tried stream 2.3 too no luck
488 2011-04-04 04:01:38 <gjs278> is there anything else besides ati drivers and stream?
489 2011-04-04 04:02:09 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, you can use ufasoft's CPU miner or jgarzik's one. But you'll need to start them from command line (or create a special shortcut).
490 2011-04-04 04:03:00 <[Tycho]> gjs278, what is your Service Pack number ?
491 2011-04-04 04:03:05 <gjs278> sp2
492 2011-04-04 04:03:07 phantomcircuit_ has joined
493 2011-04-04 04:03:22 <[Tycho]> Try installing SP3
494 2011-04-04 04:03:25 <Camanarac> I am good with command lines. I used MS DOS and IRC when I was younger
495 2011-04-04 04:03:33 <gjs278> time to make a windows image in that case
496 2011-04-04 04:03:38 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, then start it.
497 2011-04-04 04:03:44 <Camanarac> Ok I will do a little research
498 2011-04-04 04:03:48 prax has joined
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501 2011-04-04 04:04:21 <[Tycho]> gjs278, there was something that needs SP3, but i can't remember exactly what.
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503 2011-04-04 04:05:37 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3486.0
504 2011-04-04 04:05:59 <Camanarac> I am there
505 2011-04-04 04:06:00 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, you can join my pool - http://deepbit.net
506 2011-04-04 04:06:49 <Camanarac> But they only give you the exe, where is a command list?
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510 2011-04-04 04:07:54 <Camanarac> How is that everyone talks in the forum like they were born knowing how to use the miners?
511 2011-04-04 04:07:58 ybit_ has joined
512 2011-04-04 04:08:02 <Camanarac> I am missing some newbies page
513 2011-04-04 04:08:09 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, they are easy to use.
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517 2011-04-04 04:09:25 <aoeuueoa> camanarac: command line arguments can be found in the source: https://github.com/m0mchil/poclbm/blob/master/poclbm.py
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520 2011-04-04 04:09:56 <Camanarac> hehe I made it do something
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525 2011-04-04 04:11:16 <gjs278> ha ha
526 2011-04-04 04:11:35 <gjs278> crawling back
527 2011-04-04 04:11:44 <Camanarac> Whoa, netsplit
528 2011-04-04 04:12:07 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, so you get started with ufasoft miner ?
529 2011-04-04 04:12:18 <Camanarac> Yup, Ufasoft
530 2011-04-04 04:12:23 ephemer0l has joined
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532 2011-04-04 04:13:17 <[Tycho]> What hashing speed do you see ?
533 2011-04-04 04:14:53 mizerydearia has joined
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535 2011-04-04 04:15:24 <Camanarac> I am at http://deepbit.net, what is the payout method?
536 2011-04-04 04:16:21 <[Tycho]> Proportional or Pay-Per-Share, you can choose one.
537 2011-04-04 04:16:44 <[Tycho]> Hashing speed should be displayed in your miner's console
538 2011-04-04 04:17:03 cheeseman1208 has joined
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540 2011-04-04 04:19:28 <Camanarac> God, It is set up and running at 7.04 MHash/s !!!!!!
541 2011-04-04 04:19:34 <Camanarac> =DDD
542 2011-04-04 04:19:43 <Camanarac> now 5.85
543 2011-04-04 04:19:55 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,gen 6000
544 2011-04-04 04:19:56 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 6000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 0.0874901012246 BTC per day and 0.00364542088436 BTC per hour.
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546 2011-04-04 04:21:52 <Camanarac> What does this mean: "03.04.2011 23:18:27 Accepted" ??
547 2011-04-04 04:22:11 <[Tycho]> It means that your miner has found a share.
548 2011-04-04 04:22:23 <JFK911> you found a jizz
549 2011-04-04 04:22:24 <aoeuueoa> so, if i were to poolhop from bitcoinpool , i wouldn't poolhop to another share based pool right (since no other shared-based pool has real time statistics)?
550 2011-04-04 04:22:35 <Camanarac> It found another
551 2011-04-04 04:22:41 <JFK911> its working then!
552 2011-04-04 04:23:00 <Camanarac> It is alive!
553 2011-04-04 04:23:07 <Camanarac> ALIVE!!
554 2011-04-04 04:23:08 <[Tycho]> aoeuueoa, you can jump even to solo mining.
555 2011-04-04 04:23:42 cheeseman1208 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
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558 2011-04-04 04:24:54 <Camanarac> And other
559 2011-04-04 04:25:10 <JFK911> my solo mining luck changed
560 2011-04-04 04:25:11 <JFK911> heh
561 2011-04-04 04:25:24 <Camanarac> What happens when I find a share?
562 2011-04-04 04:25:26 <JFK911> it was really good - even under high difficulty - until a week or so ago
563 2011-04-04 04:25:50 <ephemer0l> ;;bc,gen 9000
564 2011-04-04 04:25:51 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 9000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 0.131235151837 BTC per day and 0.00546813132653 BTC per hour.
565 2011-04-04 04:25:54 <[Tycho]> Camanarac, you'll get a part of pool's reward.
566 2011-04-04 04:26:22 <JFK911> ;;bc,gen 400000
567 2011-04-04 04:26:23 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 400000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 5.83267341497 BTC per day and 0.243028058957 BTC per hour.
568 2011-04-04 04:26:25 jrabbit_ is now known as jrabbit
569 2011-04-04 04:26:27 <JFK911> lol
570 2011-04-04 04:26:50 <Camanarac> That is good, I am happy
571 2011-04-04 04:29:29 <Camanarac> Ok now I will create a direct launch
572 2011-04-04 04:31:03 <Camanarac> hmmm
573 2011-04-04 04:31:11 <Camanarac> How do I stop the client?
574 2011-04-04 04:32:30 <aoeuueoa> control-c
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578 2011-04-04 04:41:18 <Kiba> hmm
579 2011-04-04 04:41:31 <Kiba> looks like the price of bitcoin crashed back to .70 USD
580 2011-04-04 04:43:00 <JFK911> no, one clown wanted to sell fast
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582 2011-04-04 04:49:50 <Kiba> price is still crashing
583 2011-04-04 04:50:44 tower has joined
584 2011-04-04 04:50:48 <[Tycho]> Oh.
585 2011-04-04 04:51:08 <Kiba> a nice time
586 2011-04-04 04:51:10 <Kiba> to buy
587 2011-04-04 04:51:11 <Kiba> I guess
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589 2011-04-04 04:53:15 <JFK911> a nice time to quit mining
590 2011-04-04 04:54:06 <Kiba> we don't know how the market will respond
591 2011-04-04 04:54:46 <JFK911> quitting mining now eliminates risk of wasting power
592 2011-04-04 04:55:23 <Kiba> it also mean you lose opportunity if the sell is only temporary
593 2011-04-04 04:55:52 <JFK911> it may be.
594 2011-04-04 04:58:09 <devrandom> everything is temporary
595 2011-04-04 05:01:44 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
596 2011-04-04 05:01:50 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.7949,"low":0.61,"vol":16105,"buy":0.65,"sell":0.67,"last":0.67}}
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599 2011-04-04 05:07:34 <slothbag10> \quit
600 2011-04-04 05:07:37 <slothbag10> exit
601 2011-04-04 05:07:44 <jgarzik> leave
602 2011-04-04 05:07:46 <jgarzik> depart
603 2011-04-04 05:07:52 <jgarzik> abscond
604 2011-04-04 05:08:20 <slothbag10> i wish.. guess im stuck here :)
605 2011-04-04 05:08:55 <luke-jr> lol
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607 2011-04-04 05:12:06 <Kiba> the price sure went back up relatively quickly
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609 2011-04-04 05:13:04 <JFK911> too bad nobody quit mining
610 2011-04-04 05:14:05 * Kiba writes a shell script to smooth his operation
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614 2011-04-04 05:19:46 <LightRider> are there transactions that require fees now?
615 2011-04-04 05:20:44 <[Tycho]> Transaction fee is not required.
616 2011-04-04 05:20:50 <LightRider> someone on otc got a notice that says oversized transactions require transaction fees
617 2011-04-04 05:21:12 <ne0futur> (07:13) < martok604> error: {"code":-4,"message":"Error: This is an oversized transaction that requires a transaction fee of 0.01 "}... You're kidding me.
618 2011-04-04 05:21:15 <ne0futur> (07:14) < ne0futur> martok604: better ask this on #bitcoin-dev
619 2011-04-04 05:21:19 <ne0futur> more exactly ;)
620 2011-04-04 05:21:34 <[Tycho]> What was the size of that transaction ?
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623 2011-04-04 05:26:19 <luke-jr> LightRider: yes
624 2011-04-04 05:26:31 <luke-jr> LightRider: and no
625 2011-04-04 05:26:54 <luke-jr> LightRider: he can always hack his wallet to send it without a fee, but it may take weeks to confirm
626 2011-04-04 05:27:12 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,estimate 1923933
627 2011-04-04 05:27:14 <gribble> 80326.58337697
628 2011-04-04 05:27:44 <LightRider> oh wow, didn't know that
629 2011-04-04 05:27:48 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,calc 1923933
630 2011-04-04 05:27:50 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1923933 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 1 day, 18 hours, 46 minutes, and 27 seconds
631 2011-04-04 05:27:56 <LightRider> what is the limit?
632 2011-04-04 05:28:15 <luke-jr> limit?
633 2011-04-04 05:28:20 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,calcd 1923933 80327
634 2011-04-04 05:28:21 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1923933 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 80327, is 2 days, 1 hour, 48 minutes, and 41 seconds
635 2011-04-04 05:28:39 <luke-jr> LightRider: it has to do with data size, not bitcoin volume
636 2011-04-04 05:28:45 <LightRider> ah
637 2011-04-04 05:28:50 <luke-jr> LightRider: eg, if you pay someone $100 with pennies
638 2011-04-04 05:28:58 <LightRider> number of transactions
639 2011-04-04 05:28:58 <luke-jr> rather than with 5 $20 bills
640 2011-04-04 05:29:06 <EPiSKiNG> or with .0000001ies
641 2011-04-04 05:29:10 <LightRider> right
642 2011-04-04 05:29:44 <LightRider> makes more sense that way. what is that limit then, is it known?
643 2011-04-04 05:29:56 <EPiSKiNG> calc gives time to a block which = 50btc, yes?
644 2011-04-04 05:30:16 <LightRider> right now yes
645 2011-04-04 05:30:26 <EPiSKiNG> block value changes?
646 2011-04-04 05:30:31 <LightRider> over time
647 2011-04-04 05:30:40 <EPiSKiNG> becomes smaller, yes?
648 2011-04-04 05:30:42 <LightRider> yes
649 2011-04-04 05:30:53 <jgarzik> LightRider: the current limit is 7 transactions per second
650 2011-04-04 05:31:10 <LightRider> oh ok
651 2011-04-04 05:31:15 <LightRider> thanks
652 2011-04-04 05:31:23 <EPiSKiNG> and what triggers the halfing of the value?
653 2011-04-04 05:31:38 <LightRider> based on date and time
654 2011-04-04 05:31:45 <jgarzik> EPiSKiNG: a certain number of blocks
655 2011-04-04 05:31:50 <EPiSKiNG> when was it 100?
656 2011-04-04 05:31:54 <jgarzik> EPiSKiNG: which approximates time
657 2011-04-04 05:31:58 <jgarzik> EPiSKiNG: never
658 2011-04-04 05:32:17 <LightRider> is it number of blocks? thought it was based on time
659 2011-04-04 05:32:24 <jgarzik> LightRider: number of blocks
660 2011-04-04 05:32:27 <EPiSKiNG> BTC value of blocks
661 2011-04-04 05:32:44 <jgarzik> LightRider: which approximates time
662 2011-04-04 05:32:52 <luke-jr> EPiSKiNG: it hasn't halved once yet
663 2011-04-04 05:33:09 <LightRider> ok, apologies for the error
664 2011-04-04 05:33:16 <EPiSKiNG> luke-jr: stats?
665 2011-04-04 05:33:23 <luke-jr> english?
666 2011-04-04 05:33:41 <jgarzik> LightRider: A SuperDuperImaginaryQuantumComputer might mint a million blocks tomorrow, and get us to 25 BTC quite a bit more rapidly than predicted by 10 minute/block intended average.
667 2011-04-04 05:34:04 * Kiba wrote a script that initialize a git directory
668 2011-04-04 05:34:05 <EPiSKiNG> i think that's what happened in October
669 2011-04-04 05:34:08 <EPiSKiNG> ha
670 2011-04-04 05:34:41 <LightRider> http://www.bitcoin.org/faq
671 2011-04-04 05:35:08 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,gend 1923933 80327
672 2011-04-04 05:35:09 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1923933 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 80327, is 24.0908587865 BTC per day and 1.00378578277 BTC per hour.
673 2011-04-04 05:35:35 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,gend 1223933 80327
674 2011-04-04 05:35:36 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1223933 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 80327, is 15.3256880916 BTC per day and 0.63857033715 BTC per hour.
675 2011-04-04 05:36:16 <LightRider> that has some of the information you're looking for Episking
676 2011-04-04 05:37:32 <Camanarac> Ok thanks
677 2011-04-04 05:37:40 <Camanarac> I will come back later
678 2011-04-04 05:37:56 <Camanarac> You have been of great help, thank you
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695 2011-04-04 06:52:17 <gjs278> service pack 3 did the trick for windows detecting opencl finally
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697 2011-04-04 06:57:22 <DreadKnight> bitcoin doesn't run with a GUI on Ubuntu Natty (11.04), confirmed by a lot of people
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700 2011-04-04 07:03:41 <gjs278> same for gentoo 64-bit
701 2011-04-04 07:03:46 <gjs278> I can see a blank system tray icon
702 2011-04-04 07:03:53 <gjs278> but that's it, no gui or anything else
703 2011-04-04 07:06:46 <lfm> and the log? ant error messages?
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706 2011-04-04 07:09:06 <gjs278> I didn't see any errors, but I can imagine it's a wx issue
707 2011-04-04 07:09:53 <lfm> run it from a terminal, see if it spits out any errors that way?
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709 2011-04-04 07:10:55 <gjs278> nothing, but I can't compile it due to having 2.8 wx so I'm going to upgrade to 2.9 and see if that helps
710 2011-04-04 07:18:38 <gjs278> lfm I can confirm upping my gtk widgets to 2.9 and compiling manually made it appear
711 2011-04-04 07:19:05 <gjs278> although my system tray icon is still empty
712 2011-04-04 07:20:26 <gjs278> and it doesnt' seem to take any feedback like clicks or anything. the only thing I can see is a blank space and when I hover it, it says "Bitcoin"
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718 2011-04-04 07:29:50 <lfm> so othrwise the bitcoin main functions work?
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720 2011-04-04 07:31:48 <gjs278> yes
721 2011-04-04 07:32:01 <gjs278> the client works perfectly fine now that I've upgraded my wx and compiled it myself
722 2011-04-04 07:32:06 <gjs278> so it's definitely a wx issue somehow
723 2011-04-04 07:32:23 <lfm> great, can you make the binary avalable?
724 2011-04-04 07:35:09 <MagicalTux> gjs278, you can unmask wx too
725 2011-04-04 07:35:14 <MagicalTux> I do that on gentoo, works fine
726 2011-04-04 07:35:31 <gjs278> yep I had to
727 2011-04-04 07:35:43 <lfm> unmask?
728 2011-04-04 07:35:52 <gjs278> gentoo term for the package manager
729 2011-04-04 07:36:04 <gjs278> let me go grab the bitcoin binaries that are already released and I'll check those now
730 2011-04-04 07:36:13 <gjs278> see if this had any impact
731 2011-04-04 07:36:34 <ersi> unmask, ie "make available a lesser confirmed stable version of"
732 2011-04-04 07:36:38 <ersi> sorta
733 2011-04-04 07:36:45 <lfm> ya i think ex is static linked
734 2011-04-04 07:36:50 <lfm> wx
735 2011-04-04 07:37:01 <gjs278> yeah I can confirm that the distributed binaries don't work for me since they're static linked
736 2011-04-04 07:37:29 <lfm> so can you make a static linked binary fro 11.4?
737 2011-04-04 07:37:55 <gjs278> the binary I just made is 21M lol
738 2011-04-04 07:38:11 <JFK911> yup static linked
739 2011-04-04 07:38:17 <lfm> it should compress down to 8m or so
740 2011-04-04 07:38:26 <MagicalTux> strip it
741 2011-04-04 07:38:34 <gjs278> how do I strip it
742 2011-04-04 07:38:40 <MagicalTux> strip filename
743 2011-04-04 07:38:45 <lfm> strip file
744 2011-04-04 07:38:47 <gjs278> alright
745 2011-04-04 07:39:01 <gjs278> compressed down to 6mb with gzip but I'll strip it first
746 2011-04-04 07:39:13 <MagicalTux> you could upx it too :D
747 2011-04-04 07:39:20 <MagicalTux> reminds me I should update my ebuild
748 2011-04-04 07:39:46 <molecular> my balance looks really ugly... does someone have a spare 0.00000001 BTC? my balance is x.76049999.
749 2011-04-04 07:39:48 <gjs278> http://garyshood.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.gz
750 2011-04-04 07:40:03 <JFK911> you can send me 0.00009999
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752 2011-04-04 07:40:11 <JFK911> or send that to the bitcoin faucet or something.
753 2011-04-04 07:40:16 <molecular> good idea
754 2011-04-04 07:40:18 <molecular> will do that
755 2011-04-04 07:40:22 <JFK911> altho
756 2011-04-04 07:40:27 <JFK911> i heard it will take 0.01 if you try to do that
757 2011-04-04 07:40:30 <JFK911> i'm not sure though
758 2011-04-04 07:40:35 <molecular> although that will cost me >100% fee ;)
759 2011-04-04 07:40:43 <gjs278> DreadKnight if you have a ubuntu install available right now try out my binary
760 2011-04-04 07:40:44 <molecular> since i set my fee to 0.0001 hehe
761 2011-04-04 07:40:45 <lfm> ya send 1.00009999 to the faucet
762 2011-04-04 07:41:11 <JFK911> it should eventually get there if the fee is 0 anyway
763 2011-04-04 07:41:13 <JFK911> right?
764 2011-04-04 07:41:30 <lfm> maybe
765 2011-04-04 07:41:42 <molecular> I hacked my bitcoind to not accept non-fee tx because my sloooow cpu has trouble making blocks with the tx-spamming
766 2011-04-04 07:41:57 <molecular> so I can't send without fee myself ;)
767 2011-04-04 07:42:15 <molecular> but no problem. 0.0001 is low enough
768 2011-04-04 07:42:20 <lfm> molecular: turn off generation
769 2011-04-04 07:42:28 <molecular> it's off.
770 2011-04-04 07:42:38 <molecular> but I need getwork
771 2011-04-04 07:43:17 <molecular> it's actually not the generation (which if off) that is eating cpu. it's been discussed here about a week or two ago.
772 2011-04-04 07:43:56 <lfm> molecular: ya, should have a decent cpu for the getwork server too I spoze
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774 2011-04-04 07:44:57 <molecular> yeah
775 2011-04-04 07:45:03 <molecular> it's atom 440 or something ;)
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777 2011-04-04 07:45:20 <lfm> ok, I just feel sorry for you now
778 2011-04-04 07:45:24 <gjs278> lol
779 2011-04-04 07:45:52 <molecular> lfm, why. I'm really happy. thing drives 2 large dvi screens @ 30W and covers all my (other) needs pretty well
780 2011-04-04 07:46:24 <molecular> before I started mining I was pretty power-consumption-conscious ;)
781 2011-04-04 07:46:56 <lfm> should at least get a atom 550 dual cpu
782 2011-04-04 07:47:59 <AAA_awright> How long does it take to proocess a stupid block?
783 2011-04-04 07:48:07 <gjs278> by hand?
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785 2011-04-04 07:48:14 <lfm> lol
786 2011-04-04 07:49:06 <lfm> AAA_awright: once it is generated the net should have processed it within seconds
787 2011-04-04 07:49:31 <molecular> correction: it's a atom 330 and seems to be dual-core
788 2011-04-04 07:49:34 <AAA_awright> So what's with the non-fee tx
789 2011-04-04 07:49:40 <ersi> AAA_awright: Get the current Hashrate and input it into gribblebot by saying ";;bc,gen <Hashrate in Khps>"
790 2011-04-04 07:49:48 <lfm> AAA_awright: vile spammers
791 2011-04-04 07:50:26 <lfm> ersi ? that wasnt the question he asked, tho it might be what he ment
792 2011-04-04 07:51:24 <lfm> molecular: the 330 is hyperthreaded so it is pseudo-dual-core
793 2011-04-04 07:51:48 <lfm> molecular: I think the 550 is real dual-core
794 2011-04-04 07:51:50 <DreadKnight> gjs278, trying; I was just getting 10.10 and was about to run it in virtual box; want to migrate to mybitcoin.com to avoid crap like this in the near future..
795 2011-04-04 07:52:30 <lfm> DreadKnight: why 10.10? 11.4 is out now
796 2011-04-04 07:53:03 <DreadKnight> lfm, because like I said before, in 11.04 (which I run for quite a while now), I don't get a GUI with bitcoin client
797 2011-04-04 07:53:35 <lfm> oh ok, just gotta get wx 2.9 and rebuild
798 2011-04-04 07:54:17 <gjs278> DreadKnight dl http://garyshood.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.gz and try it out
799 2011-04-04 07:54:38 <DreadKnight> gjs278, yeah, got it; trying now
800 2011-04-04 07:54:50 <ersi> lfm: I might have misunderstood it as a general question
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803 2011-04-04 08:07:56 <DreadKnight> gjs278, requires libwxgtk2.9-0 and Natty only has up to libwxgtk2.8-0
804 2011-04-04 08:08:06 <gjs278> yep
805 2011-04-04 08:08:36 <gjs278> that's a shame... but I really wonder what features we use that are so cutting edge that it requires 2.9
806 2011-04-04 08:08:47 <DreadKnight> I guess none :D
807 2011-04-04 08:09:04 <gjs278> lfm if I give him an unstripped binary will it work
808 2011-04-04 08:09:08 <lfm> its to do with the extended character support if I remembver right
809 2011-04-04 08:09:26 <gjs278> or is the stripping just pointless leftover crap that has nothing to do with linked libraries
810 2011-04-04 08:11:02 <lfm> stripping drops the debugging labels so you can tell when it crashes
811 2011-04-04 08:12:16 <gjs278> oh ok
812 2011-04-04 08:12:25 <gjs278> so no help
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838 2011-04-04 08:29:17 <molecular> lfm, cat /proc/cpuinfo shows 4 cpus. is that hyperthreading alone?
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840 2011-04-04 08:30:59 <JFK911> what cpu
841 2011-04-04 08:31:00 <gjs278> your atom is showing 4 cpus?
842 2011-04-04 08:33:00 <gjs278> molecular if you have an i3 you'd have 2 cores and 2 hyperthreaded
843 2011-04-04 08:33:21 <gjs278> so if it really is reporting 4 threads then you have 2 cores that are both hypered to give you a total of 4
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864 2011-04-04 09:21:59 <da2ce7> hey
865 2011-04-04 09:22:23 <da2ce7> on windows x64, what is the best drivers to use with a 2x 5970's
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867 2011-04-04 09:24:59 <sipa> 10.11
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881 2011-04-04 09:45:02 <xelister> bubble bursting allert \o/
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892 2011-04-04 09:48:29 <Spenvo> Anyone want to help me come up with questions for Meet the Trader 05?
893 2011-04-04 09:48:49 <xelister> Spenvo: "when there will be blowjobs for btc"
894 2011-04-04 09:48:51 <xelister> *female
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897 2011-04-04 09:49:21 <Spenvo> now that's a p2p economy at work
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899 2011-04-04 09:50:15 <Spenvo> so is the bottom going to fall out of BTC because of this big cash out?
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901 2011-04-04 09:52:13 <Diablo-D3> not reallyt
902 2011-04-04 09:52:21 <Diablo-D3> I expect it to also strengthen it just as much
903 2011-04-04 09:52:27 <Diablo-D3> so in the end its just going to stay steady
904 2011-04-04 09:54:04 <xelister> bubble buuurssttiing
905 2011-04-04 09:54:21 <xelister> we will fall to real cost of mining a coin - ~0.10 USD
906 2011-04-04 09:54:39 <xelister> =)
907 2011-04-04 09:54:55 <Spenvo> lol
908 2011-04-04 09:55:07 <Diablo-D3> yes, but anyone who studies economics knows bubble bursts just cause economic development
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910 2011-04-04 09:58:20 <xelister> interesting,
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914 2011-04-04 09:58:26 <xelister> it seems mplayer developer suck cocks too
915 2011-04-04 09:58:30 <xelister> what it is wrong with people.
916 2011-04-04 09:58:48 <Diablo-D3> I should start dating mplayer developers then
917 2011-04-04 09:58:50 <xelister> Milion options in mplayer, but no (clearly marked at least) option to play all playable files in directory?
918 2011-04-04 09:58:56 <Diablo-D3> xelister: er....
919 2011-04-04 09:59:02 <Diablo-D3> mplayer dir/*
920 2011-04-04 09:59:12 <xelister> Diablo-D3: it fails massivlt, with things like
921 2011-04-04 09:59:19 <Diablo-D3> I use it all the time
922 2011-04-04 09:59:27 <xelister> Playing -.
923 2011-04-04 09:59:28 <xelister> Reading from stdin...
924 2011-04-04 09:59:30 <xelister> it fails.
925 2011-04-04 09:59:39 <Diablo-D3> no, you've done something wrong.
926 2011-04-04 09:59:51 <xelister> I did mplayer dir/*
927 2011-04-04 09:59:52 <Diablo-D3> it sounds like you have a file start starts with -
928 2011-04-04 09:59:54 <xelister> yeap
929 2011-04-04 10:00:01 <xelister> or with " - " in name
930 2011-04-04 10:00:03 <Diablo-D3> which is generally considered illegal
931 2011-04-04 10:00:06 <Diablo-D3> xelister: nope
932 2011-04-04 10:00:11 <xelister> yes
933 2011-04-04 10:00:15 <Diablo-D3> your shell is broken if it isnt escaping - after the first
934 2011-04-04 10:00:22 <xelister> bash
935 2011-04-04 10:00:27 <Diablo-D3> bash handles it correctly
936 2011-04-04 10:00:30 <Diablo-D3> so clearly its user error
937 2011-04-04 10:00:34 <xelister> so how to?
938 2011-04-04 10:00:39 <xelister> ls -1 fails also
939 2011-04-04 10:00:41 <Diablo-D3> mplayer dir/*
940 2011-04-04 10:00:54 <xelister> mplayer dir/* does what I said above, try it
941 2011-04-04 10:01:12 <Diablo-D3> $ ls *mp3
942 2011-04-04 10:01:12 <Diablo-D3> 03_-_SAGA.mp3 bloodsugar.mp3 S2001-6.mp3
943 2011-04-04 10:01:12 <Diablo-D3> 04-norg-Medley-History-DoD.mp3 Fate.mp3 S2001-7.mp3
944 2011-04-04 10:01:12 <Diablo-D3> 10-J2-CT-Sick-DoD.mp3 RockOutWithYourHawkOut.mp3 S2001-8.mp3
945 2011-04-04 10:01:12 <Diablo-D3> 21-jaxx-FF6-OMG-DoD.mp3 S2001-5.mp3
946 2011-04-04 10:01:31 <Diablo-D3> $ mplayer *mp3
947 2011-04-04 10:01:33 <Diablo-D3> oh hey it works!
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949 2011-04-04 10:02:02 <Diablo-D3> xelister: if you have files that START with -, standard posix compliant args parsers wont be able to handle it
950 2011-04-04 10:02:11 <Diablo-D3> you need to put -- infront of the file names.
951 2011-04-04 10:02:17 <Diablo-D3> ergo, mplayer -- dir/*
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956 2011-04-04 10:03:48 <xelister> well dang, why program foo/* !== cd foo && programm *
957 2011-04-04 10:03:59 <xelister> anyway, how to now get the music from subdirs
958 2011-04-04 10:04:06 dsg has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
959 2011-04-04 10:04:16 <xelister> ls -1 ls -l etc is giving problems with " - " again
960 2011-04-04 10:05:12 <Diablo-D3> xelister: because you failed to use --
961 2011-04-04 10:05:21 <xelister> tried it afair
962 2011-04-04 10:05:47 <Diablo-D3> then its user error.
963 2011-04-04 10:05:53 <xelister> mplayer -vo null -shuffle -loop 0 -- `ls -1 somedir` is not working
964 2011-04-04 10:06:01 <Diablo-D3> uh, why would that work?
965 2011-04-04 10:06:08 <Diablo-D3> mplayer cant parse ls
966 2011-04-04 10:06:16 <sipa> it doesn't
967 2011-04-04 10:06:16 <xelister> someone recommended it
968 2011-04-04 10:06:21 <sipa> `` gets evaluated by the shell
969 2011-04-04 10:06:22 <Diablo-D3> someone is an idiot
970 2011-04-04 10:06:27 <xelister> anyway, how to play all music from ~/music from all subdirs
971 2011-04-04 10:06:27 <Diablo-D3> you want xargs
972 2011-04-04 10:06:35 <Diablo-D3> find | xargs mplayer
973 2011-04-04 10:06:57 <Diablo-D3> ooh that breaks
974 2011-04-04 10:07:03 <xelister> Diablo-D3: also, anyway I want 1 mplayer process
975 2011-04-04 10:07:17 <Diablo-D3> xelister: stop talking until you are qualified to speak on the subject.
976 2011-04-04 10:07:34 <sipa> find -type '*.mp3' -print0 | xargs -0 mplayer -vo null -shuffle -loop 0
977 2011-04-04 10:07:43 <xelister> anyway, this dicking with this is stupid,
978 2011-04-04 10:07:49 <xelister> it should just work, like totem player
979 2011-04-04 10:08:26 <Diablo-D3> sipa: thats wrong too
980 2011-04-04 10:08:28 <xelister> my point was, why some simpel totem player is recursing dirs, and mplayer has over 5,000 options for EVERYTHING in the world of playing&encoding&recoding, EXCEPT for recursing dirs apparently
981 2011-04-04 10:08:34 <sipa> Diablo-D3: yeah, still needs --
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985 2011-04-04 10:09:07 <sipa> xelister: mplayer is a media player, not a media manager, but i agree that mplayer's options are a mess
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987 2011-04-04 10:09:55 <xelister> there is probably an option to make me a dinner after each song while crossfading it using sin(x)*gaussian using OpenCL to do the math, but not to recurse dirs, wtf
988 2011-04-04 10:10:35 <Diablo-D3> you could probably do mplayer -playlist <(find "$PWD" -type f)
989 2011-04-04 10:10:47 <Diablo-D3> which seems to be the simplest way
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991 2011-04-04 10:11:30 <Diablo-D3> or find | mplayer -playlist -
992 2011-04-04 10:11:34 <sipa> xelister: unix philosophy - do one thing and do it; in the case of mplayer it's very good at one thing: playing media
993 2011-04-04 10:11:46 <sipa> but it leaves control of what to play to you
994 2011-04-04 10:11:55 <sipa> maybe that's not what you want, but you can use other programs
995 2011-04-04 10:12:10 <Diablo-D3> xelister fails at unix philosophy
996 2011-04-04 10:12:19 <sipa> +good
997 2011-04-04 10:12:50 <UukGoblin> you think low price is related to liberty reserve being down? :-]
998 2011-04-04 10:16:10 <xelister> unix philosophy can suck my dick - I just wanted to listen to some songs, not really develop scripts now
999 2011-04-04 10:16:47 <sipa> then use xmms or amarok or totem or ... :)
1000 2011-04-04 10:17:01 <sipa> or rhythmbox or any others :)
1001 2011-04-04 10:17:28 <Diablo-D3> xelister: then use windows you idiot
1002 2011-04-04 10:17:33 <Diablo-D3> mplayer is a command line program
1003 2011-04-04 10:17:36 <Diablo-D3> you use the command line to power it
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1005 2011-04-04 10:18:31 <xelister> I dont use winshit lol
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1008 2011-04-04 10:19:00 <xelister> this is just stupid that totem is more advanced then mplayer for a very common use case "play all fucking files in subdirs"
1009 2011-04-04 10:19:15 <UukGoblin> mplayer rocks
1010 2011-04-04 10:19:21 <sipa> yes, and that is why it exists, probably
1011 2011-04-04 10:19:28 <sipa> for being easier to use in some use cases
1012 2011-04-04 10:19:32 <xelister> yeap, other then the commandline thing
1013 2011-04-04 10:19:39 <UukGoblin> xelister, find -type f | xargs mplayer
1014 2011-04-04 10:19:52 <UukGoblin> or mplayer `find -type f`
1015 2011-04-04 10:19:58 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: I liked mine better
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1017 2011-04-04 10:20:05 <Diablo-D3> find | mplayer -playlist -
1018 2011-04-04 10:20:33 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, that'd steal stdin and you couldn't control it with keyboard I think
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1025 2011-04-04 10:22:25 <xelister> oh, -playlist
1026 2011-04-04 10:22:28 <xelister> well, that is fine.
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1037 2011-04-04 10:23:02 <xelister> the 89521 pages long man could had show this option with a /searchable 'recurse' word hehe
1038 2011-04-04 10:23:06 <Diablo-D3> UukGoblin: it doesnt seal it for me
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1040 2011-04-04 10:23:51 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,stats
1041 2011-04-04 10:23:54 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116652 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 275 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 12 hours, 49 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 80820.86825614
1042 2011-04-04 10:24:00 <UukGoblin> Diablo-D3, weird. does for me.
1043 2011-04-04 10:24:23 <Diablo-D3> ahh it does for me too
1044 2011-04-04 10:24:24 <Diablo-D3> hrm
1045 2011-04-04 10:24:25 <xelister> UukGoblin: find -type f fails for strange filenames
1046 2011-04-04 10:24:41 <Diablo-D3> [06:08:28] <Diablo-D3> you could probably do mplayer -playlist <(find "$PWD" -type f)
1047 2011-04-04 10:24:49 <xelister> and... it doesnt allow me to skip < >
1048 2011-04-04 10:24:50 <xelister> wtf
1049 2011-04-04 10:24:51 <Diablo-D3> that works though
1050 2011-04-04 10:24:52 <UukGoblin> xelister, indeed
1051 2011-04-04 10:24:56 <Diablo-D3> xelister: PAY ATTENTION
1052 2011-04-04 10:24:59 <Diablo-D3> WE BOTH JUST SAID THAT
1053 2011-04-04 10:25:01 <xelister> NO
1054 2011-04-04 10:25:07 <xelister> not the -playlist -
1055 2011-04-04 10:25:09 <Diablo-D3> can we kickban xelister?
1056 2011-04-04 10:25:24 <xelister> the `..` thing ALSO doesnt allow to skip even thou doesnt steal input
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1059 2011-04-04 10:25:55 <Diablo-D3> xelister: dude
1060 2011-04-04 10:25:59 <Diablo-D3> [06:08:28] <Diablo-D3> you could probably do mplayer -playlist <(find "$PWD" -type f)
1061 2011-04-04 10:26:03 <Diablo-D3> pay attention
1062 2011-04-04 10:26:04 <xelister> nm
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1064 2011-04-04 10:27:21 <xelister> mplayer -playlist <(find "$PWD" -type f) seems to work the best
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1066 2011-04-04 10:27:52 <Diablo-D3> which is why I listed it first
1067 2011-04-04 10:28:42 <BurtyB> using "$PWD" as typing . is too quick?
1068 2011-04-04 10:29:10 <Diablo-D3> BurtyB: because it changes the path
1069 2011-04-04 10:29:20 <Diablo-D3> Failed to open /dev/fd/./Cowboy Bebop - Vitaminless/Cowboy Bebop; Vitaminless - 01 - THE REAL FOLK BLUES.mp3.
1070 2011-04-04 10:30:24 <BurtyB> how does it change the path? $PWD is the current working directory which = . ?
1071 2011-04-04 10:30:34 <Diablo-D3> try it.
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1076 2011-04-04 10:32:06 <BurtyB> but why would you need it if it's in the same dir as you exec mplayer? the relative links should still work?
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1084 2011-04-04 10:36:40 <molecular> just did a "bitcoin sendtoaddress 15VjRaDX9zpbA8LVnbrCAFzrVzN7ixHNsC 0.00999999", bitcoin used a 0.01 fee, although I set paytxfee=0.0001 and also in the gui options I have "pay transaction fee" set to 0.0001. why did it use a 0.01 fee?
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1088 2011-04-04 10:39:20 <[Tycho]> :)
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1090 2011-04-04 10:40:38 <sipa> molecular: a 0.01 fee is required if your transaction has <0.01 outputs
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1094 2011-04-04 10:44:59 <Lobster_Man> ugh why does freenode suck :|
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1098 2011-04-04 10:45:27 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,stats
1099 2011-04-04 10:45:31 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116653 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 274 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 12 hours, 41 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 80828.47335140
1100 2011-04-04 10:45:38 <xelister> 80k. FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
1101 2011-04-04 10:46:17 * LobsterMan slaps xelister around with a heavy metal pole
1102 2011-04-04 10:46:18 <JFK911> any preferred setup or best practice to put bitcoind in his own VM?
1103 2011-04-04 10:46:24 <JFK911> I'm thinking of using XP Embedded
1104 2011-04-04 10:46:33 * xelister hires dr Zoidberg to cook LobsterMan
1105 2011-04-04 10:46:44 <[Tycho]> There is also Windows FLP
1106 2011-04-04 10:46:50 <JFK911> what's FLP?
1107 2011-04-04 10:47:03 <[Tycho]> Official light version of XP
1108 2011-04-04 10:47:16 <xelister> JFK911: why not use a linux on vm, like a streight person
1109 2011-04-04 10:47:33 <[Tycho]> Because Windows works :)
1110 2011-04-04 10:47:41 <JFK911> oh interesting, tycho, i didn't know he existed
1111 2011-04-04 10:47:50 <JFK911> thanks for the tip, i will find him and experiment
1112 2011-04-04 10:47:52 <xelister> and calls phone and is easly rootkitable as Sony CD proven
1113 2011-04-04 10:48:04 <xelister> really good foundation for dealing with crypto money
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1115 2011-04-04 10:48:31 <[Tycho]> Wasn't linux first OS with rootkits ? :)
1116 2011-04-04 10:48:35 <xelister> ArtForz runs on linux, most pools and big miners rin on linux
1117 2011-04-04 10:48:52 <[Tycho]> ArtForz had no choice.
1118 2011-04-04 10:48:57 <xelister> no choice?
1119 2011-04-04 10:49:16 <[Tycho]> Windows doesn't supports more than 4 GPUs, Art has 8 per PC.
1120 2011-04-04 10:49:30 <xelister> so it works on linux and not on windows
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1122 2011-04-04 10:49:57 <sipa> windows shuts down gpu's to which no screen is connected, i believe
1123 2011-04-04 10:49:59 <molecular> sipa, darn, that was pretty close, then ;)
1124 2011-04-04 10:50:11 <xelister> sipa: how nice and green of them
1125 2011-04-04 10:50:27 <[Tycho]> That's not windows, that's ATI drivers.
1126 2011-04-04 10:50:38 <sipa> in most cases yes, but it's a pain if you want to mine headless :)
1127 2011-04-04 10:50:54 <xelister> yeap ati drivers are causing RaaaaaAAaaaGEeEEEEEEEEEEEon on all platforms
1128 2011-04-04 10:51:00 <[Tycho]> Half of the biggest pools don't run linux.
1129 2011-04-04 10:51:19 <xelister> [Tycho]: what? strange. I thought only like 5% people are homosexual
1130 2011-04-04 10:51:28 <JFK911> my windows dont call home
1131 2011-04-04 10:51:35 <[Tycho]> sipa, it can be fixed with just one resistor in your DVI port.
1132 2011-04-04 10:52:15 <subpar> or dual/triple monitors =)
1133 2011-04-04 10:52:23 <sipa> or linux ;)
1134 2011-04-04 10:52:38 <subpar> yeah - that too
1135 2011-04-04 10:52:42 <subpar> =)
1136 2011-04-04 10:52:50 <JFK911> i had to plug a monitor in my linux mining experiment
1137 2011-04-04 10:53:12 <[Tycho]> Having lots of monitors makes your room look more serious.
1138 2011-04-04 10:53:19 <sipa> my dual 5970 miner works headless, and starts mining automatically when booted :)
1139 2011-04-04 10:56:38 <RBecker> ;;bc,stat
1140 2011-04-04 10:56:39 <gribble> Error: "bc,stat" is not a valid command.
1141 2011-04-04 10:56:43 <RBecker> ;;bc,stats
1142 2011-04-04 10:56:45 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116653 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 274 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 12 hours, 41 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 80828.47335140
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1147 2011-04-04 11:00:53 <JFK911> crap i forgot 'prepare to shrink' for vmdisk
1148 2011-04-04 11:01:40 <joepie91> okay, so after the announcement of anonymous vs. sony
1149 2011-04-04 11:01:42 <joepie91> the sony stocks dropped
1150 2011-04-04 11:01:51 <xelister> joepie91: hm? url
1151 2011-04-04 11:01:54 <joepie91> http://www.google.co.uk/finance?q=TYO:6758
1152 2011-04-04 11:02:13 <joepie91> it's not much it seems, but it's something
1153 2011-04-04 11:02:36 <joepie91> and anon appears to cause some form of investor panic, I think
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1156 2011-04-04 11:04:03 <molecular> hehe, the market depth gap on mtgox is slowly filling, this is really fun to watch
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1220 2011-04-04 12:18:51 <molecular> why does everyone have a ping-timeout and I see noone talking?
1221 2011-04-04 12:19:19 <ersi> 'cause there's no chatting about anything prior to this.
1222 2011-04-04 12:19:37 <molecular> so it's a slow chat-day?
1223 2011-04-04 12:19:41 <ersi> Last line was from you about the market depth
1224 2011-04-04 12:19:45 <ersi> Yep
1225 2011-04-04 12:19:49 <molecular> ok
1226 2011-04-04 12:19:53 <molecular> thx ;)
1227 2011-04-04 12:20:12 <ersi> np :)
1228 2011-04-04 12:20:42 <molecular> the gap I said was filling up was cleared again, btw. someone is on a selling-spree ;)
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1235 2011-04-04 12:47:36 <grbgout> ;;bc,wiki
1236 2011-04-04 12:47:37 <gribble> https://bitcoin.it/ | Mar 24, 2011 ... Sourced from Wikipedia. Bitcoin is a digital currency created in 2009 by Satoshi Nakamoto. It is also the name of the open source software ...
1237 2011-04-04 12:47:43 * grbgout should probably bookmark that already....
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1253 2011-04-04 13:44:24 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,gen 600000
1254 2011-04-04 13:44:26 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 600000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 8.74901012246 BTC per day and 0.364542088436 BTC per hour.
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1259 2011-04-04 13:45:41 <rli> ;;bc,gen 683000
1260 2011-04-04 13:45:43 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 683000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 9.95928985606 BTC per day and 0.414970410669 BTC per hour.
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1273 2011-04-04 14:08:51 <Sami345> ;;,gen 160000
1274 2011-04-04 14:08:51 <Sami345> ;;bc,gen 160000
1275 2011-04-04 14:08:51 <Sami345> gribble, answer, please :(
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1277 2011-04-04 14:08:51 <sipa> ;;bc,gen 160000
1278 2011-04-04 14:08:51 <Sami345> ;;bc,wiki
1279 2011-04-04 14:08:51 <Sami345> it's dead?
1280 2011-04-04 14:08:51 <gribble> Error: ",gen" is not a valid command.
1281 2011-04-04 14:09:00 <Sami345> oh well
1282 2011-04-04 14:09:00 <gribble> https://bitcoin.it/ | Mar 24, 2011 ... Sourced from Wikipedia. Bitcoin is a digital currency created in 2009 by Satoshi Nakamoto. It is also the name of the open source software ...
1283 2011-04-04 14:09:00 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 160000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 2.33306936599 BTC per day and 0.0972112235828 BTC per hour.
1284 2011-04-04 14:09:00 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 160000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 2.33306936599 BTC per day and 0.0972112235828 BTC per hour.
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1290 2011-04-04 14:24:27 <krytzz> hi, im trying to connect the cpuminer to bitcoin 0.3.20.2, but i get error 500 from the bitcoind, does anyone know what happens or how i can debug this?
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1297 2011-04-04 14:31:20 <jgarzik> krytzz: turn on cpuminer debug options
1298 2011-04-04 14:33:27 <krytzz> http://nopaste.voric.com/paste.php?f=i55qgb i did but didnt help me much
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1306 2011-04-04 14:42:03 <cosurgi> oops!
1307 2011-04-04 14:43:21 <cosurgi> we've hit 0.64 price. Someone sold 20k
1308 2011-04-04 14:44:14 <jgarzik> krytzz: are you using --userpass? there seem to be problems with --user and --pass
1309 2011-04-04 14:46:17 <krytzz> jgarzik: its the same with --userpass, i also tried to change the credentials and got 401 then, so login seems to work
1310 2011-04-04 14:47:05 <jgarzik> krytzz: you enabled --debug and --protocol-dump ?
1311 2011-04-04 14:48:24 <xelister> ding ding ding
1312 2011-04-04 14:48:27 <xelister> market is falling
1313 2011-04-04 14:48:38 <xelister> cosurgi: 20.000 ? woot.
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1315 2011-04-04 14:49:20 <xelister> 3.000 usd more and price is 0?
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1317 2011-04-04 14:49:34 <krytzz> jgarzik: yes
1318 2011-04-04 14:49:49 <cosurgi> but http://www.taters.net/cgi-bin/btc/matrix.pl?axisinc=0.025 doesn't include darkpool
1319 2011-04-04 14:49:57 <cosurgi> and that's very misleading
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1321 2011-04-04 14:50:41 <cosurgi> there;s like 4000 there for a month, or longer, but during that time much more was sold.
1322 2011-04-04 14:51:09 <jgarzik> cosurgi: http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxUSD.html
1323 2011-04-04 14:51:51 <jgarzik> krytzz: this works with bitcoind: ./minerd --url "http://10.10.10.1:8332/" --userpass 'myuser:sekrit' --algo sse2_64 --scantime 60 -qt4
1324 2011-04-04 14:52:51 <jgarzik> krytzz: but really, it will take many months and lots of electricity to generate a single block using solo CPU mining...
1325 2011-04-04 14:53:05 <jgarzik> krytzz: most CPU mine to a pool
1326 2011-04-04 14:53:40 <krytzz> jgarzik: so i should rather connect the miner to a pool
1327 2011-04-04 14:54:04 <jgarzik> krytzz: yes
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1338 2011-04-04 15:19:42 <xelister> bottom falling
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1340 2011-04-04 15:25:31 <cosurgi> jgarzik: it's the same as taters.net - dark pools are not listed. So there's total demand for "only" 1500 bitcoins.
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1345 2011-04-04 15:44:24 <EvanR-wo1k> xelister: drop it low girl
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1347 2011-04-04 15:50:13 <iocor> what are the bet flags for an 8800gts using poclbm?
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1349 2011-04-04 16:00:01 <luke-jr> iocor: nvidia is a waste
1350 2011-04-04 16:00:11 <iocor> luke-jr: you're such a lovely person
1351 2011-04-04 16:03:28 <sipa> iocor: try -w 32, -w 64 and -w 128
1352 2011-04-04 16:03:34 <sipa> and see what works best :)
1353 2011-04-04 16:04:18 <iocor> 64 and 128 appear to be about the same
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1356 2011-04-04 16:10:32 <topi`> I tried -w128 but -w256 is faster for me (a Nvidia 9400M)
1357 2011-04-04 16:11:11 <Diablo-D3> it shouldnt be.
1358 2011-04-04 16:11:30 <topi`> I get 1460 khash/sec with -w256
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1360 2011-04-04 16:15:54 <Diablo-D3> thats pretty slow
1361 2011-04-04 16:15:58 <Diablo-D3> oh, its a 9400m
1362 2011-04-04 16:15:59 <Diablo-D3> heh
1363 2011-04-04 16:16:33 <topi`> yep :( it's an underclocked version of 9400
1364 2011-04-04 16:16:43 <topi`> this is a 1-year old macbook :D
1365 2011-04-04 16:17:20 <Kiba```> is the bitcoin forum down?
1366 2011-04-04 16:17:39 <[Tycho]> No.
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1385 2011-04-04 16:55:02 <phantomcircuit> good morning everybody!
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1387 2011-04-04 16:58:31 <iocor> turn all my money into bitcoins, wait until it becomes stupidly valuable profit?
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1390 2011-04-04 17:04:07 <donpdonp> anyone remember that url shortener/redirect that requires bitcoin payment to use?
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1396 2011-04-04 17:31:27 <ersi> iocor: yeah, go for it
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1403 2011-04-04 17:57:10 <grbgout> ;;bc,forum
1404 2011-04-04 17:57:11 <gribble> Error: "bc,forum" is not a valid command.
1405 2011-04-04 17:57:13 <grbgout> dang
1406 2011-04-04 17:57:30 <ZaEarl> Diablo-D3, if I start "bitcoin -server", can I connect a miner from a different machine with "-o" if I also have a local miner running?
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1408 2011-04-04 18:01:05 <Diablo-D3> ZaEarl: you can connect as many miners as you want
1409 2011-04-04 18:01:14 <Diablo-D3> just remember to tell non-local miners the address of your machine
1410 2011-04-04 18:01:53 <ArtForz> and dont forget rpcallowip on the node
1411 2011-04-04 18:02:18 <ZaEarl> that might be it, what's that?
1412 2011-04-04 18:02:22 <ZaEarl> bitcoin.conf?
1413 2011-04-04 18:02:26 <ArtForz> yea
1414 2011-04-04 18:02:40 <ArtForz> by default bitcoin only allows rpc connections from localhost
1415 2011-04-04 18:02:49 <ZaEarl> does it take wildcards?
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1417 2011-04-04 18:03:00 <ArtForz> yep, takes * wildcards
1418 2011-04-04 18:03:05 <grbgout> ZaEarl: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Running_Bitcoin
1419 2011-04-04 18:03:09 <grbgout> that has an example bitcoin.conf
1420 2011-04-04 18:05:59 <ZaEarl> that was it, thanks guys
1421 2011-04-04 18:06:37 <grbgout> You're welcome.
1422 2011-04-04 18:09:26 <ZaEarl> now if ati would release the new linux driver i'll be set!
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1426 2011-04-04 18:11:19 <grbgout> What do you mean? What's wrong with their current linux drivers?
1427 2011-04-04 18:11:25 <ZaEarl> doesn't work for 6990s
1428 2011-04-04 18:11:44 <grbgout> bitanarchy: hey, are you aware that when you cycle to change your host the original is still visible to us before you rejoin?
1429 2011-04-04 18:13:00 <ArtForz> weird
1430 2011-04-04 18:13:02 <bitanarchy> grbgout: It is not that i want to be anonymous... but i think it is my client chatzilla
1431 2011-04-04 18:13:20 <BlueMatt> bitanarchy: its the way the freenode cloak system works
1432 2011-04-04 18:13:25 <ArtForz> multiple 6970s works
1433 2011-04-04 18:13:38 <BlueMatt> you have to change your client to wait to join channels
1434 2011-04-04 18:13:46 <ArtForz> guess they just havent added the IDs for 6990
1435 2011-04-04 18:14:06 <grbgout> bitanarchy: k, just letting you know in case you weren't aware.
1436 2011-04-04 18:14:35 <ZaEarl> yup, my 6970 is fine, but 6990 not. it is even listed as having different drivers when you go to the ati driver page
1437 2011-04-04 18:14:36 <bitanarchy> grbgout: thx, but i have no idea how to fix it.
1438 2011-04-04 18:14:57 <grbgout> bitanarchy: just setup your client to wait until you've identified with NickServ before automatically joining your channels.
1439 2011-04-04 18:15:04 <grbgout> BlueMatt: did you see my message yesterday about the UPS?
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1441 2011-04-04 18:15:18 <BlueMatt> bitanarchy: read my last post ;)
1442 2011-04-04 18:15:28 <ArtForz> yeah, hopefully 11.4 will support it
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1444 2011-04-04 18:15:29 <BlueMatt> grbgout: yea, shame
1445 2011-04-04 18:15:53 <grbgout> BlueMatt: indeed. I understand their misunderstanding though: it's an old surgeprotector, and is rather bulky. hah.
1446 2011-04-04 18:16:32 <ArtForz> SDK 2.3/2.4 should already support 6990, so it's only a matter of driver
1447 2011-04-04 18:16:50 <grbgout> Does anyone in here use the RPC Cuda miner?
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1449 2011-04-04 18:17:53 <BlueMatt> hah, yea
1450 2011-04-04 18:18:44 <lfm> I use puddinpop's OpenCL miner on my nvidia
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1452 2011-04-04 18:19:29 <grbgout> lfm: have you tried the CUDA variation? I've tried compiling it, but it's breaking on the .cl file, and I was wondering if there's some dependency I'm missing. Is it enough to only have the nvidia-drivers installed, or should I be grabbing the (cuda) SDK as well?
1453 2011-04-04 18:20:12 <lfm> I never tried but I`d think you would need the sdk
1454 2011-04-04 18:20:22 <grbgout> hmm, k
1455 2011-04-04 18:20:49 <grbgout> Have you compared puddin's OpenCL miner performance to m0mchil's poclbm?
1456 2011-04-04 18:21:23 <bitanarchy> BlueMatt: I have this auto perform command in chatzilla: <slash> msg NickServ identify
1457 2011-04-04 18:21:49 <BlueMatt> grbgout: cant get it to link with cuda libs for some reason on ubuntu
1458 2011-04-04 18:21:54 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,stats
1459 2011-04-04 18:21:57 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116705 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 222 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 5 hours, 47 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 80699.38107138
1460 2011-04-04 18:22:02 <BlueMatt> bitanarchy: not sure in chatzilla, but there should be a way to get it to wait before joining
1461 2011-04-04 18:22:18 <BlueMatt> bitanarchy: google that, or read the freenode docs (IIRC they say how to do that)
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1463 2011-04-04 18:22:56 <bitanarchy> Blue: I like to use the irc:// link in my browser to join a channel... but that means that it will try to join before it authenticates
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1465 2011-04-04 18:23:56 <BlueMatt> bitanarchy: still, search around for some scripts, you might still be able to do it
1466 2011-04-04 18:24:07 <grbgout> BlueMatt: that's disconcerting.
1467 2011-04-04 18:24:43 <bitanarchy> anyway... why is bitcoin trading down so much?
1468 2011-04-04 18:24:57 <grbgout> bitanarchy: someone was asking the same thing in -discussion.
1469 2011-04-04 18:25:04 <BlueMatt> bitanarchy: not enough confidence, but probably best to ask on #bitcoin-otc
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1471 2011-04-04 18:26:13 <grbgout> Let's not forget the supply/demand issue: the more blocks we solve, the more BTC are available, which happens at a fairly regular rate. The rate at which new merchants accept BTC happens much more slowly (as far as I'm aware), which certainly has /some/ impact: probably not enough to account for todays trend.
1472 2011-04-04 18:26:33 <grbgout> *today's
1473 2011-04-04 18:26:46 <BlueMatt> grbgout: read the thread on "donating miners" in the economics section of the forum
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1475 2011-04-04 18:26:56 <BlueMatt> (shameless self-plug)
1476 2011-04-04 18:27:03 <grbgout> I saw it briefly the other day
1477 2011-04-04 18:27:12 <BlueMatt> there are a lot of factors which create low confidence
1478 2011-04-04 18:27:27 <BlueMatt> and not many which create confidence atm
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1480 2011-04-04 18:27:39 <grbgout> it seemed like a portion of the intial discussion was missing. perhaps update the thread with a link to the IRC log? I know, at least for this channel, the freenode client provides such links/logs.
1481 2011-04-04 18:27:48 <grbgout> Yeah, that's what I mean.
1482 2011-04-04 18:28:06 <BlueMatt> grbgout: yea, didnt feel like posting an hour of logs
1483 2011-04-04 18:28:07 <grbgout> The thing we need most to boost confidence, imo, are more merchants accepting BTC.
1484 2011-04-04 18:28:21 <BlueMatt> grbgout: yep, thats what it comes down to imho
1485 2011-04-04 18:28:24 <grbgout> BlueMatt: you don't need to, so far as I can tell freenode does this for you.
1486 2011-04-04 18:28:27 <lfm> The log can be seen under http://bit.ly/cdmwSu
1487 2011-04-04 18:28:39 <BlueMatt> lfm: no it was on -otc
1488 2011-04-04 18:29:08 <grbgout> When i first joined -dev using freenode's client, at the top of the page was a link to past logs provided in friendly calendar format.
1489 2011-04-04 18:29:08 <BlueMatt> and no matter how you phrase the problem, in the end it always gets fixed by "grow market size"
1490 2011-04-04 18:29:22 <grbgout> indeed
1491 2011-04-04 18:29:27 <BlueMatt> grbgout: no it was on -otc
1492 2011-04-04 18:29:43 <grbgout> BlueMatt: and perhaps freenode provides the same for -otc, was my point.
1493 2011-04-04 18:29:47 <BlueMatt> so no convenient logs like that, so Id actually have to post my personal logs
1494 2011-04-04 18:29:53 <BlueMatt> no
1495 2011-04-04 18:29:56 <grbgout> pity
1496 2011-04-04 18:29:58 <BlueMatt> freenode doesnt log chans
1497 2011-04-04 18:30:29 <BlueMatt> they are pretty specific that you have to make sure to advertise if you are loging publicly
1498 2011-04-04 18:30:54 <BlueMatt> though AFAIK, most people keep their own logs
1499 2011-04-04 18:31:02 <grbgout> mhmm
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1509 2011-04-04 19:18:21 <forrestv> how does bitcoin prevent timestamps from being forged?
1510 2011-04-04 19:18:27 <forrestv> if the timestamp is two hours in the future, the block is ignored, so wouldn't lying about the timestamp (putting it more in the past) give blocks a slight advantage?
1511 2011-04-04 19:18:53 <lfm> there is no advantage
1512 2011-04-04 19:18:54 <xelister> forrestv: mediana from many client
1513 2011-04-04 19:18:55 <xelister> nodes
1514 2011-04-04 19:19:52 <forrestv> i know that there isn't really one ... but there's no motivation to be truthful about the timestamp either
1515 2011-04-04 19:19:57 <lfm> the blocks are judged by when they are received, not the timestamp
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1517 2011-04-04 19:20:31 <lfm> forrestv: if it is too far out it will be ignored and you will be out 50 btc
1518 2011-04-04 19:21:46 <forrestv> so go the other way - set the block's timestamp equal to the previous block's
1519 2011-04-04 19:21:57 <lfm> the blocks are judged by when they are received, not the timestamp
1520 2011-04-04 19:22:11 <forrestv> i read that the first time
1521 2011-04-04 19:22:23 <lfm> so there is no advantage
1522 2011-04-04 19:22:51 <sipa> just as there is no motivation to add any feeless transactions to a block
1523 2011-04-04 19:22:58 <forrestv> there is no disadvantage either
1524 2011-04-04 19:23:06 <sipa> exactly
1525 2011-04-04 19:23:27 <forrestv> so people could all start messing with timestamps and mess up the difficulty
1526 2011-04-04 19:23:28 <forrestv> q:
1527 2011-04-04 19:23:29 <lfm> ya so you can set you clock an hour wrong and bitcoin will keep going, so what?
1528 2011-04-04 19:23:30 <sipa> so unless you want to vandalize, there is no reason to disrupt things, even while you theoretically can
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1533 2011-04-04 19:24:11 * jgarzik mentions his bitcoind and pool server hosting stuff on the forums, for the first time: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3614.msg78994#msg78994
1534 2011-04-04 19:24:20 <forrestv> i was thinking about opportunities for vandalizing.
1535 2011-04-04 19:24:24 <jgarzik> </plug>
1536 2011-04-04 19:24:34 <lfm> and it would only confuse people looking at dumps of the block chain. bitcoin would keep going
1537 2011-04-04 19:24:57 <grbgout> jgarzik: are you still working on this http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3493.0 ?
1538 2011-04-04 19:25:29 <jgarzik> grbgout: yes, that is an active project. it was mentioned in the link I just posted.
1539 2011-04-04 19:25:29 <lfm> jgarzik: so, yet another pool?
1540 2011-04-04 19:25:36 <forrestv> unless somebody with a majority of computing power forged all the timestamps up until the next difficulty calculation
1541 2011-04-04 19:25:44 <grbgout> jgarzik: cool, I'm interested in it.
1542 2011-04-04 19:25:46 <forrestv> okay, yeah.
1543 2011-04-04 19:25:48 <jgarzik> lfm: yet more pools, plural
1544 2011-04-04 19:26:12 <grbgout> Oooh, pushpoold is written in C? <3
1545 2011-04-04 19:27:48 <lfm> why dont you use vps?
1546 2011-04-04 19:29:45 <jgarzik> lfm: scheduling tends to be poor. 95% of the time, life is OK and your programs run as expected. but sometimes you get multi-second pauses and other latency issues. That's true across OpenVZ, Xen and KVM, because it's inherent in virtualization technology.
1547 2011-04-04 19:30:13 <jgarzik> Unless your VPS is using an SSD, in particular, even a RAID-1 or RAID-5 redundant storage solution will quickly saturate its storage bandwidth.
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1549 2011-04-04 19:31:52 <lfm> jgarzik: Id think those private pools and wallets would run fine on vps
1550 2011-04-04 19:33:25 <jgarzik> lfm: "fine", agreed. :) But I want more reliability than that for my customers.
1551 2011-04-04 19:33:41 <jgarzik> and more control
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1557 2011-04-04 19:38:34 <lfm> jgarzik: ok, what sort of cpu and systems are they then?
1558 2011-04-04 19:39:27 <jgarzik> lfm: a bunch of RAID-1 servers with oodles of RAM. But you save the overhead of running $N linux kernels and block layers, on top of the "bare metal" Linux kernel and block layer.
1559 2011-04-04 19:39:39 <jgarzik> virt itself has a real cost
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1561 2011-04-04 19:44:33 <lfm> ya I think I understand the cost of virtual, just seems bitcoin without generating is a pretty light load
1562 2011-04-04 19:45:56 <jgarzik> lfm: and the private bitcoind nodes -connect only to my P2P backbone, making the load even lighter.
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1564 2011-04-04 19:46:22 <jgarzik> lfm: so rather than run a bunch of VPS's, I can create a bunch of chroot's for bitcoind users, and the setup is quite efficient.
1565 2011-04-04 19:46:48 <jgarzik> or rent a bunch of VPS's -- because bitcoind takes quite a bit of RAM
1566 2011-04-04 19:47:57 <jgarzik> I have a couple VPS's that I do use, for non-customer-facing tasks; there's nothing fundamentally wrong with a VPS. But I think my setup is more efficient without that technology.
1567 2011-04-04 19:48:49 <grbgout> jgarzik: bitcoind uses a lot of RAM, really?
1568 2011-04-04 19:49:05 <robblesz> I/O scheduling can definitely become an issue on busy OpenVZ hosts, I can testify to that
1569 2011-04-04 19:49:14 <kom256> as a total amature to bitcoin, seems to me if you can get cheap (free) power, any CPU/RAM config is a treat. Obviously more is better, but ultimately powering up estabilishes the $ to BTC exchange rate.
1570 2011-04-04 19:50:11 <jgarzik> grbgout: 150-200M per node, oftimes
1571 2011-04-04 19:50:27 <sipa> jgarzik: you basically sell shared hosting
1572 2011-04-04 19:50:30 <sipa> but for a particulat purpose
1573 2011-04-04 19:50:44 <jgarzik> sipa: yep. I prefer to call it "app hosting" :)
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1575 2011-04-04 19:51:32 <jgarzik> sipa: i think the main value is in having someone skilled and knowledgeable making sure your bitcoind doesn't go down, not just the hosting itself.
1576 2011-04-04 19:51:52 <jgarzik> If people are skilled enough to maintain a P2P node or pool server, more power to them. The tools are all out there in open source.
1577 2011-04-04 19:51:58 <sipa> sure, the support is worth more than the actual service
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1584 2011-04-04 19:52:48 <jgarzik> If, say, a merchant wanted to run a store, they could get a private P2P node rather than mybitcoin.com's SCI
1585 2011-04-04 19:52:52 <jgarzik> :)
1586 2011-04-04 19:53:05 <jgarzik> pay BTC, get API, nothing could be more simple.
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1588 2011-04-04 19:53:32 <grbgout> What's the benefit to that, or even mybitcoin.com, for a merchant rather than just running bitcoind locally, and providing the automatically generated address on their website?
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1591 2011-04-04 19:54:15 <grbgout> I mean, even if they only run bitoin once to generate the address, and intermittently to check balances/txes/etc?
1592 2011-04-04 19:54:29 <grbgout> *bitcoin
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1595 2011-04-04 19:54:39 <jgarzik> grbgout: is a merchant going to know what to do, when their bitcoin TX cache overflows with TX spam... if they can even recognize when that occurs?
1596 2011-04-04 19:54:56 <grbgout> jgarzik: I don't even know what that means :)
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1598 2011-04-04 19:55:18 <grbgout> jgarzik: but if they're willing to jump on the bitcoin bandwagon as a merchant, then they damnwell better be prepared to educate themselves about it.
1599 2011-04-04 19:55:52 <sipa> they shouldn't need to
1600 2011-04-04 19:55:57 <sipa> but they'll have the option to do so
1601 2011-04-04 19:55:57 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, yeah im not really sure what you mean by that either
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1603 2011-04-04 19:56:20 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, merchants shouldn't be looking at transactions that aren't in at least one block
1604 2011-04-04 19:56:34 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: that's up to the merchant. see snack machine thread, etc.
1605 2011-04-04 19:56:55 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: if a provider has a network in place to sample for double-spends, small 0-conf transactions may be lower risk.
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1607 2011-04-04 19:57:02 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr install * r89c0ae40999d spesmilo/ (13 files in 2 dirs): install and use theme icons http://tinyurl.com/3hmlfso
1608 2011-04-04 19:57:07 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr install * rf5e0fa6f705c spesmilo/main.py: default --icon to None http://tinyurl.com/3wyzwcw
1609 2011-04-04 19:57:08 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr install * r45569cc858b1 spesmilo/Makefile: no need to rebuild app wrapper when ts/py change http://tinyurl.com/3ttroxz
1610 2011-04-04 19:57:11 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr install * r968a2476ebe1 spesmilo/ (cashier.py main.py): support --caption http://tinyurl.com/3eq57sf
1611 2011-04-04 19:57:15 <sipa> merchants shouldn't be looking at the block chain at all
1612 2011-04-04 19:57:23 <jgarzik> nope
1613 2011-04-04 19:57:23 <grbgout> jgarzik: so you're not going to tell us what you meant by TX cache overflows? I'm sure phantomcircuit and I have a guess at what you mean, but you could spare us.
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1615 2011-04-04 19:57:28 <sipa> or at least
1616 2011-04-04 19:57:32 <sipa> shouldn't have to
1617 2011-04-04 19:57:39 <jgarzik> grbgout: the bitcoin TX cache is unlimited. too much TX -> crash
1618 2011-04-04 19:57:47 <jgarzik> grbgout: will a merchant know that? and know how to handle that?
1619 2011-04-04 19:58:28 <grbgout> Shouldn't a merchant inform intself of the risks of adopting a new technology?
1620 2011-04-04 19:58:35 <jgarzik> grbgout: there are 1,000 little details involved in being a node on a public P2P network. bitcoin is still very vulnerable to DoS. Will a merchant know that, and know the proper technical steps to take, for defense?
1621 2011-04-04 19:59:08 <jgarzik> grbgout: A merchant just wants to get paid, in a secure way. If the cost of hosting < cost of DIY, that's attractive.
1622 2011-04-04 19:59:18 <grbgout> Again, I defer to the importance of a merchant taking it upon themsleves to be well informed when adopting a new technology.
1623 2011-04-04 19:59:23 <grbgout> indeed
1624 2011-04-04 19:59:36 <jgarzik> and the cost of DIY is rather large, in bitcoin's case
1625 2011-04-04 19:59:38 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, hmm
1626 2011-04-04 19:59:44 <grbgout> but I would still, personally, expect a merchant to want to inform themsleves about what they're getting into.
1627 2011-04-04 19:59:57 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, i guess, otoh vending machines have something like 25% breakage ,aka theft
1628 2011-04-04 20:00:05 <phantomcircuit> although that's probably mostly employees
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1630 2011-04-04 20:01:49 <jgarzik> for bitcoin to be a success, we need to make it as easy as possible for merchants to transfer bitcoins securely from customers
1631 2011-04-04 20:02:00 <jgarzik> mybitcoin's paypal-like SCI API was a big step forward, in that respect
1632 2011-04-04 20:02:01 <grbgout> absolutely
1633 2011-04-04 20:02:45 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, SCI API?
1634 2011-04-04 20:02:46 <phantomcircuit> wat
1635 2011-04-04 20:02:55 <grbgout> Your service will certainly be enticing to merchants, and you are the ideal admin, but a merchant should still be well informed: how else will they know to go with jgarzik's app hosting instead of, say, bobR's? ;)
1636 2011-04-04 20:02:57 * phantomcircuit knows fuck all about e-commerce
1637 2011-04-04 20:03:08 <grbgout> (not that bobR has one)
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1642 2011-04-04 20:03:35 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: "shopping cart interface"
1643 2011-04-04 20:03:35 <idnar> phantomcircuit: Shopping Cart Interface, I think
1644 2011-04-04 20:03:36 <grbgout> they still need to keep themselves abreast of the technology to make a sound decision about DIY vs hosted.
1645 2011-04-04 20:03:39 <idnar> hah, snap
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1648 2011-04-04 20:04:33 <jgarzik> Of course a merchant should be educated about bitcoin
1649 2011-04-04 20:04:36 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, oh
1650 2011-04-04 20:04:43 <jgarzik> That goes without saying (I thought...)
1651 2011-04-04 20:05:00 <jgarzik> that doesn't mean a merchant will always choose DIY
1652 2011-04-04 20:05:01 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, i still dont think most merchants will have a need for a large transaction cache
1653 2011-04-04 20:05:04 <phantomcircuit> if one at all
1654 2011-04-04 20:05:09 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: no, they don't
1655 2011-04-04 20:05:24 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: it was an example of an implementation detail of which DIY'ers must be aware
1656 2011-04-04 20:05:40 <sipa> phantomcircuit: it's a problem *every* bitcoin node has
1657 2011-04-04 20:05:43 <grbgout> Well, the initial question was why go hosted vs DIY, which basically boils down to the expertise of a hosting admin, but that doesn't exactly elminate the merchant's need to know about the problems: how else will they know if the admin they've elected to use knows his stuff.
1658 2011-04-04 20:05:47 <jgarzik> yep
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1662 2011-04-04 20:06:04 <sipa> phantomcircuit: it's as jgarzik says an implementation issue
1663 2011-04-04 20:06:07 <phantomcircuit> sipa, except the merchants dont care about unconfirmed transactions mostly
1664 2011-04-04 20:06:25 <sipa> phantomcircuit: it's an issue that effects how well their node works
1665 2011-04-04 20:06:30 <phantomcircuit> uh
1666 2011-04-04 20:06:30 <sipa> if they run a node themselves
1667 2011-04-04 20:06:41 <phantomcircuit> they can just drop unconfirmed transactions
1668 2011-04-04 20:06:53 <phantomcircuit> shit i could modify my client to do that pretty easily
1669 2011-04-04 20:06:54 <phantomcircuit> delete one line
1670 2011-04-04 20:06:59 <sipa> yes, but they won't
1671 2011-04-04 20:07:02 <sipa> that's the point
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1673 2011-04-04 20:07:06 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * re894b7e6b5dd spesmilo/ (cashier.py main.py): ensure refresh_transactions doesn't hold up GUI http://tinyurl.com/43eq8sf
1674 2011-04-04 20:07:07 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: you are missing something. this TX cache issue is TOTALLY UNRELATED to 0-confirmation transactions.
1675 2011-04-04 20:07:09 <sipa> to them it is business, not fun
1676 2011-04-04 20:07:20 <phantomcircuit> kind of my point
1677 2011-04-04 20:07:20 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: it is simply an implementation issue of which they must be aware
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1679 2011-04-04 20:07:33 <sipa> and for it to work in business they need to know a LOT
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1681 2011-04-04 20:07:50 <sipa> maybe more than what bitcoin is worth to their business
1682 2011-04-04 20:07:58 <jgarzik> yep
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1684 2011-04-04 20:08:46 <EPiSKiNG> I just installed a 2nd 5970 and I don't have the Crossfire cable attached, both displays are working, but when I try to start up my miner, it just hangs
1685 2011-04-04 20:08:58 <EPiSKiNG> the icon appears, but it's not responsive
1686 2011-04-04 20:09:01 <EPiSKiNG> any ideas?
1687 2011-04-04 20:09:19 <EPiSKiNG> using poclbm-gui
1688 2011-04-04 20:09:23 <EPiSKiNG> 2011.03.27
1689 2011-04-04 20:10:52 * jgarzik doesn't expect to sell many hosting subscriptions to programmers who write their own bitcoin clients ;-) ;-)
1690 2011-04-04 20:11:03 <grbgout> hehe
1691 2011-04-04 20:11:16 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, oh you mean the transaction cache for transactions in the database?
1692 2011-04-04 20:11:55 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: no, the unconfirmed transaction pool (AcceptToMemoryPool)
1693 2011-04-04 20:12:04 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: can be DoS'd
1694 2011-04-04 20:12:25 <ersi> So, one wouldn't want to run like a plugin to osCommerce or something that has bitcoin locally, if one doesn't want to dig straight into the source and become a BitCoinGuru?
1695 2011-04-04 20:12:26 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: and even if not DoS'd, it will fill with garbage over time
1696 2011-04-04 20:13:06 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: the "production solution" is to restart bitcoind, clearing the entire TX cache periodically
1697 2011-04-04 20:13:31 <ersi> EPiSKiNG: Try hooking up the cable
1698 2011-04-04 20:13:41 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, iirc the caching mechanisms are pretty janky
1699 2011-04-04 20:13:44 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: satoshi hates this solution, as much as he hates my idea of expiring transactions from TX cache after N confirmed blocks
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1701 2011-04-04 20:14:08 <lfm> I think most people run without the crossfire connector
1702 2011-04-04 20:14:46 <d__> ;;bc,calc 4800000
1703 2011-04-04 20:14:48 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 4800000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 17 hours, 8 minutes, and 41 seconds
1704 2011-04-04 20:14:51 <phantomcircuit> the crossfire connector makes it worse
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1706 2011-04-04 20:15:36 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, yeah but why the fuck would a merchant want to have an unconfirmed transaction pool at all?
1707 2011-04-04 20:15:58 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, i guess if they're going to accept transactions w/o confirmation they would, but 99% of them wont
1708 2011-04-04 20:16:04 <sipa> phantomcircuit: because there is only one full client currently, and it does have such a transaction pool?
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1710 2011-04-04 20:16:27 <sipa> so unless either 1) a he changes it 2) pays someone to change it 3) uses a patched version or 4) uses a different client
1711 2011-04-04 20:16:31 <sipa> he will be affected
1712 2011-04-04 20:16:40 <phantomcircuit> sipa, all that's needed for my python client to be complete is a transaction script interpreter
1713 2011-04-04 20:16:46 <lfm> phantomcircuit: if the merchant is expecting payments he might wish to know the person has submitted payment before the 10 min it takes to get into a block
1714 2011-04-04 20:17:03 <phantomcircuit> lfm, hmm true
1715 2011-04-04 20:17:11 <sipa> phantomcircuit: ok nice, so 4) may become a reliable option in the future :)
1716 2011-04-04 20:17:25 <sipa> but maybe the merchant has less trust in you than in the default client?
1717 2011-04-04 20:17:26 <phantomcircuit> ill have to create a merchant specific branch
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1719 2011-04-04 20:18:33 <EPiSKiNG> that didn't fix it
1720 2011-04-04 20:18:51 <EPiSKiNG> crossfire bridge is on now, and still poclbm-gui wont open
1721 2011-04-04 20:19:10 <EPiSKiNG> How do I delete my user settings?
1722 2011-04-04 20:19:28 <lfm> like the merchant can start processing an order as soon as the payment is detected 0/unconfirment and only hold off on final shipping till it is confirmed
1723 2011-04-04 20:20:17 <sipa> EPiSKiNG: do not bridge, disable crossfire
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1726 2011-04-04 20:23:38 <jgarzik> lfm: yep
1727 2011-04-04 20:23:39 <EPiSKiNG> how do I disable crossfire?
1728 2011-04-04 20:23:43 <jgarzik> ...or...
1729 2011-04-04 20:24:02 <jgarzik> if xf2.org has built a network of sample points to detect double-spends, small values might be accepted at 0-confirmations
1730 2011-04-04 20:24:03 <jgarzik> :)
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1732 2011-04-04 20:25:47 <sipa> jgarzik: do you know whether a node answers with a tx if you ask for it, if that tx was received but not accepted to the memory pool?
1733 2011-04-04 20:26:04 <jgarzik> sipa: no negative caching AFAICS
1734 2011-04-04 20:26:26 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: how do you get along without some amount of TX cache?
1735 2011-04-04 20:26:39 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: are you doing a lightweight client, that doesn't care?
1736 2011-04-04 20:26:44 <ersi> So, if you'd like to process BTC-payments - you still probably will want a 3rd party payment processor
1737 2011-04-04 20:27:05 <sipa> ersi: for small and fast transactions, definitely
1738 2011-04-04 20:27:06 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, currently i dump any and all transactions into an sqlite3 db, ie you could DoS the shit out of my client with ease
1739 2011-04-04 20:27:11 <jgarzik> ersi: IMO yes, but with bitcoin it is possible to DIY
1740 2011-04-04 20:27:19 <sipa> ersi: for big and slow ones... not necessarily
1741 2011-04-04 20:27:29 <jgarzik> sipa: good point
1742 2011-04-04 20:27:30 <ersi> Is there any Payment Processors yet?
1743 2011-04-04 20:27:35 <jgarzik> ersi: mybitcoin, mtgox
1744 2011-04-04 20:27:36 <ersi> Or will jgarzik be one of the first? :)
1745 2011-04-04 20:27:38 <lfm> ersi unless you are so small you can do it manually on the std gui or something
1746 2011-04-04 20:27:40 <ersi> ohyeah
1747 2011-04-04 20:27:43 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, however it's trivial to change
1748 2011-04-04 20:28:06 <sipa> jgarzik: that means you could eg. make a deal with certain big miners and actually poll for a tx after a certain short interval of time after announcing the tx, to see whether they have it in their cache
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1750 2011-04-04 20:28:32 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, really the only people who care about unconfirmed transactions are miners and those who sent the transaction
1751 2011-04-04 20:28:34 <lfm> sipa seems like a waste of time really
1752 2011-04-04 20:28:35 <sipa> by asking the node they use for transactions
1753 2011-04-04 20:28:52 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: tangent / FYI: one of my current proposals is to expire unconfirmation transactions, if they do not make it into a block after ~150 blocks. That creates deterministic TX behavior, making it possible for a client to revise, rather than resend (current behavior), a not-yet-confirmed wallet TX.
1754 2011-04-04 20:29:00 <sipa> lfm: maybe, but if you want to do insure for fast large transaction against double spend, i think you have to
1755 2011-04-04 20:29:51 <jgarzik> gavinandresen(?) has speculated that bitcoin will evolve towards a backbone and private interconnections between big players, and I -think- I agree
1756 2011-04-04 20:30:04 <lfm> sipa no, you cant do that, it wont help what you are asking it to do
1757 2011-04-04 20:30:14 <sipa> lfm: how so?
1758 2011-04-04 20:31:26 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, it's unfortunate that lock_time operates in the direction it does
1759 2011-04-04 20:31:31 <lfm> doesnt matter how many caches it is in it might still be a doubnle spend
1760 2011-04-04 20:31:35 <lfm> or become one
1761 2011-04-04 20:31:35 <sipa> of course it might
1762 2011-04-04 20:31:35 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, expire_time would really have been more useful
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1764 2011-04-04 20:31:39 <sipa> but insurance is all about probabilities
1765 2011-04-04 20:31:40 <lfm> sipa bitcoin just isnt made to do what you are asking
1766 2011-04-04 20:31:41 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, you can kind of do that right now by sending an updated sequence # for the transaction input
1767 2011-04-04 20:31:41 <sipa> i think bitcoin doesn't need to be made to do anything
1768 2011-04-04 20:31:42 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, but iirc the mainline client ignores that right now
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1774 2011-04-04 20:32:04 <sipa> bitcoin is whatever we choose it to be, and i think this is the one thing that is necessary to make it a viable e-commerce platform
1775 2011-04-04 20:32:08 <lfm> if you want large fast (seconds) txn dont use bitcoin
1776 2011-04-04 20:32:38 <ersi> A lot of the current Payment Processors, like Paypal does take a hueg amount of time sometimes
1777 2011-04-04 20:32:43 <ersi> Or implementors, perhaps
1778 2011-04-04 20:32:53 <sipa> depends how fast, what amount, and how much people are willing to pay for that
1779 2011-04-04 20:33:46 <sipa> if you wait eg. 10 seconds, the chances for double spending become incredibly low, except for the case of a very long block chain split
1780 2011-04-04 20:33:49 <lfm> sipa you are looking for "bank transfer" functionality. The only way to do that with bitcoin would be something like if you both had mybitcoin.com accounts, then you can do it fast
1781 2011-04-04 20:34:00 <sipa> lfm: i disagree :)
1782 2011-04-04 20:34:21 <lfm> disagree all you want, you're wrong on this
1783 2011-04-04 20:34:26 <ersi> Only way you could do it reasonably simple without throwing too much of an effort on it
1784 2011-04-04 20:34:54 <sipa> lfm: we'll see
1785 2011-04-04 20:35:07 <sipa> ... or not
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1794 2011-04-04 20:43:04 <grbgout> dang, electricity is expensive in my state >_<
1795 2011-04-04 20:43:40 <grbgout> On the other hand, I can use that knowledge to justify buying a new GPU: if I don't, mining is costing me moniez!
1796 2011-04-04 20:43:46 <krytzz> use better videocard
1797 2011-04-04 20:43:47 <sipa> how much per kWh?
1798 2011-04-04 20:44:12 <grbgout> sipa: 17.55 (cents)
1799 2011-04-04 20:44:19 <krytzz> lol
1800 2011-04-04 20:44:23 <sipa> and you're complaining?
1801 2011-04-04 20:44:32 <krytzz> in germany its 21 cents and probably 23 soon
1802 2011-04-04 20:44:33 <sipa> converted to USD, i think it's 0.3 here
1803 2011-04-04 20:44:36 <grbgout> sipa: for my Mhash/s, yeah.
1804 2011-04-04 20:44:48 <krytzz> eurocents
1805 2011-04-04 20:45:01 <sipa> grbgout: eurocents or dollarcents?
1806 2011-04-04 20:45:08 <krytzz> dollar :p
1807 2011-04-04 20:45:09 <grbgout> sipa: dollar.
1808 2011-04-04 20:45:27 <sipa> don't complain :D
1809 2011-04-04 20:45:36 <grbgout> sipa: for my Mhash/s, I shall :P
1810 2011-04-04 20:45:39 <grbgout> Time for a new GPU.
1811 2011-04-04 20:45:47 <sipa> you can change you GPU
1812 2011-04-04 20:45:55 <sipa> you can't (easily) change where you live
1813 2011-04-04 20:46:02 <grbgout> sipa: if it's so expensive for you, look at the cost of building your own solar panels: maybe it'll be cost effective for you.
1814 2011-04-04 20:46:03 <lfm> I think ours is still 0.07$
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1816 2011-04-04 20:46:42 <grbgout> lfm: I was about to point out that the cheapest state is $0.0769
1817 2011-04-04 20:46:58 <lfm> mine not in usa
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1819 2011-04-04 20:47:57 <grbgout> sipa: http://www.instructables.com/id/Solar-Panels-for-Your-Home/
1820 2011-04-04 20:48:39 <grbgout> Last I checked, the cost benefit wasn't there for DIY Solar in the U.S., but maybe it is for wherever you are.
1821 2011-04-04 20:49:31 <lfm> depends how long you have to pay for it and of there is any subsidies
1822 2011-04-04 20:49:51 <ArtForz> err... why not go with FPGAs if you have too much money?
1823 2011-04-04 20:50:41 <krytzz> i thought about that too... but no idea if that could be better than a nvidia gpu with 500 or something mhash/s
1824 2011-04-04 20:51:27 <ArtForz> they're a lot more expensive up front, but well > 10x as power efficient
1825 2011-04-04 20:52:04 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr install * rc955186ec6d9 spesmilo/Makefile: extra / for DESTDIR http://tinyurl.com/4y96sf3
1826 2011-04-04 20:52:06 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr install * r43e2fd5932c4 spesmilo/ (Makefile spesmilo.desktop spesmilo.protocol): FDO .desktop and KDE .protocol http://tinyurl.com/4497qwg
1827 2011-04-04 20:52:06 <krytzz> or we order some asics together :p
1828 2011-04-04 20:52:31 <grbgout> Ah, here's the link I was looking for: http://www.mdpub.com/SolarPanel/ , he has cost tables, and bill of materials from ebay.
1829 2011-04-04 20:52:46 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: expire_time would be more useful... if it had been included in the original implementation. as it stands, giving the TX cache deterministic behavior, rather than random behavior, can be useful to clients.
1830 2011-04-04 20:52:57 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: clients can always resend
1831 2011-04-04 20:53:45 <ArtForz> 70Mh/s for a Spartan6 LX150-3, 100Mh/s for a Altera Cyclone III 120, using <4W
1832 2011-04-04 20:53:55 <sipa> but what do those boards cost?
1833 2011-04-04 20:53:59 <ArtForz> depends
1834 2011-04-04 20:54:24 <ArtForz> iirc bare chips are ~ $180 for the spartan, ~380 for the cyclone 3
1835 2011-04-04 20:54:27 <ersi> about 150-500$
1836 2011-04-04 20:54:48 <krytzz> with or without the ipcore for sha256 :p
1837 2011-04-04 20:54:52 <ArtForz> what ip core?
1838 2011-04-04 20:55:08 <ersi> http://opencores.org/
1839 2011-04-04 20:55:11 <ersi> get with the times dude
1840 2011-04-04 20:55:11 <krytzz> well you have to get the algo into the fpga
1841 2011-04-04 20:55:16 <krytzz> ah
1842 2011-04-04 20:55:23 <ArtForz> the commercial stuff is just worthless, and the opencores one is *worse*
1843 2011-04-04 20:55:25 <krytzz> didnt do much with fpgas yet
1844 2011-04-04 20:55:33 <krytzz> lol
1845 2011-04-04 20:55:55 <ersi> Decent for 'free'
1846 2011-04-04 20:55:57 <ersi> But that goes for everything.
1847 2011-04-04 20:55:57 <sipa> i suppose those cores are not very pipelined?
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1849 2011-04-04 20:57:56 <ArtForz> no
1850 2011-04-04 20:57:56 <krytzz> and what do you do then, implement it yourself?
1851 2011-04-04 20:58:14 <ArtForz> yep
1852 2011-04-04 20:58:55 <sipa> krytzz: as a matter of fact, ArtForz did ;)
1853 2011-04-04 20:59:17 <ArtForz> sha256 isnt exactly rocket science
1854 2011-04-04 20:59:17 <krytzz> yeah right
1855 2011-04-04 20:59:18 <krytzz> and then submit it to opencores :p
1856 2011-04-04 20:59:18 <ArtForz> a bunch of boolean ops, rotates and a lot of 32 bit adders
1857 2011-04-04 20:59:18 <ArtForz> for the S6 and the C3 single stage pipeline
1858 2011-04-04 20:59:18 <ArtForz> doubly pipelined is simply too big
1859 2011-04-04 20:59:18 <krytzz> sha256 isnt even in opencores
1860 2011-04-04 20:59:18 <krytzz> ah it is
1861 2011-04-04 20:59:18 <ArtForz> I could've sworn it is
1862 2011-04-04 20:59:18 <ArtForz> anyways, 100Mh/s for <4W ...
1863 2011-04-04 20:59:18 <krytzz> yeah
1864 2011-04-04 20:59:18 <krytzz> ill steal an fpga from the uni :p
1865 2011-04-04 20:59:18 <ArtForz> so for stuff like "green bitcoins" it could make a lot of sense
1866 2011-04-04 20:59:20 <krytzz> hah
1867 2011-04-04 21:00:23 <jgarzik> pure python miner moved to git repo: https://github.com/jgarzik/pyminer
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1878 2011-04-04 21:21:39 * sipa added a graph: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-ever.png
1879 2011-04-04 21:21:51 <krytzz> wow
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1881 2011-04-04 21:22:29 <ArtForz> neat
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1885 2011-04-04 21:27:49 <lfm> similar to mine: http://www3.telus.net/millerlf/hashes.png
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1887 2011-04-04 21:29:45 <sipa> as it should :)
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1890 2011-04-04 21:31:50 <brocktice> July = slashdot?
1891 2011-04-04 21:32:01 <sipa> yes
1892 2011-04-04 21:32:09 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr install * r8c7b0cab1a66 spesmilo/main.py: workaround annoying KDE bug http://tinyurl.com/69wwbhn
1893 2011-04-04 21:32:10 <brocktice> that's nuts
1894 2011-04-04 21:32:18 <lfm> brocktice: ya, a;lso when some of the first gpu mining stared
1895 2011-04-04 21:32:43 <lfm> started
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1899 2011-04-04 21:33:24 <sipa> September 18, 2010
1900 2011-04-04 21:33:26 <sipa> puddinpop released source to their windows-based CUDA client under MIT license
1901 2011-04-04 21:33:53 <lfm> ya that was first OPEN gpu miner
1902 2011-04-04 21:33:57 <Diablo-D3> their? his
1903 2011-04-04 21:34:09 <jgarzik> sipa: Even so, that's 10,000 BTC I wish I could get back :)
1904 2011-04-04 21:34:10 <Diablo-D3> mine was the third, released in... november?
1905 2011-04-04 21:34:18 <sipa> jgarzik: haha
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1907 2011-04-04 21:34:55 <jgarzik> and davout has been a disappointment, too
1908 2011-04-04 21:36:46 <davex__> wonder if MM is selling today
1909 2011-04-04 21:37:19 <ArtForz> doesnt look like it
1910 2011-04-04 21:37:40 <luke-jr> there, Spesmilo is quite usable from Gentoo now :D
1911 2011-04-04 21:37:40 <ArtForz> those 49.5k are still sitting in the same address
1912 2011-04-04 21:37:47 <davex__> hmm
1913 2011-04-04 21:38:02 <ZaEarl> someone is selling!
1914 2011-04-04 21:38:08 <ersi> 50k BTC?
1915 2011-04-04 21:38:28 <ArtForz> yea
1916 2011-04-04 21:38:44 <ArtForz> http://blockexplorer.com/a/eE8FVTkbx
1917 2011-04-04 21:38:49 <ersi> Part ot the first batches? With lower difficulty?
1918 2011-04-04 21:39:13 <ersi> wtf? 5k deposits :o
1919 2011-04-04 21:39:33 <ersi> Who/what is that? o_o
1920 2011-04-04 21:39:45 <ArtForz> that was the mystery miner
1921 2011-04-04 21:39:55 <ArtForz> as for the trades today... no clue
1922 2011-04-04 21:39:58 <davex__> maybe he deleted his wallet.
1923 2011-04-04 21:40:20 <ZaEarl> lol
1924 2011-04-04 21:40:22 <ArtForz> miners cashing out, speculators getting antsy, something totally different, ...
1925 2011-04-04 21:40:26 <lfm> davex__: ? why would he ?
1926 2011-04-04 21:40:31 <davex__> by accident
1927 2011-04-04 21:42:25 <ArtForz> maybe a few large miners trying to dissuade further miners from joining?
1928 2011-04-04 21:43:21 <davex__> hah
1929 2011-04-04 21:43:34 <ArtForz> next diff in ~24h, looks like it'll only be a ~16.5% increase
1930 2011-04-04 21:43:37 <Diablo-D3> I need to get my pool done
1931 2011-04-04 21:44:51 <lfm> everyone needs a pool of their own
1932 2011-04-04 21:45:23 <ArtForz> well, combined with a price drop from 0.78 to mid-60s it makes for a way more impressive drop in $/Mh
1933 2011-04-04 21:45:38 <ersi> "Pools open"
1934 2011-04-04 21:46:17 <lyspooner> ArtForz, when do you turn off
1935 2011-04-04 21:46:33 * nathan7 turns into black dude
1936 2011-04-04 21:46:37 <nathan7> ersi: Pool's closed!
1937 2011-04-04 21:46:52 <nathan7> *ahem*
1938 2011-04-04 21:46:53 <ArtForz> lyspooner: for my ASICs... pretty damn close to "never"
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1940 2011-04-04 21:47:54 <lyspooner> i asked you this three months ago, and you said difficulty / USD/BTC would have to reach 80,000 (iirc)
1941 2011-04-04 21:48:18 <ArtForz> hell, even my GPUs are still profitable
1942 2011-04-04 21:49:01 <ArtForz> the ASICs to replace em should arrive in ~ 6 weeks
1943 2011-04-04 21:49:06 <kelp> makes me less annoyed that I got sniped on two auctions for 5970s yesterday :)
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1946 2011-04-04 21:59:08 <krytzz> is something up with ipv6 support?
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1948 2011-04-04 22:00:52 <phantomcircuit> krytzz, not with the mainline client, although i dont see why
1949 2011-04-04 22:01:37 <krytzz> well eventually we will need it, and it will help with ips which are directly connected, without nat
1950 2011-04-04 22:02:01 <jgarzik> krytzz: support was built into P2P address structures, but that's as far as implementation went. it's possible.
1951 2011-04-04 22:02:23 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, my python client is ipv6 compatible ;)
1952 2011-04-04 22:02:36 <krytzz> ok
1953 2011-04-04 22:02:52 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: good
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1960 2011-04-04 22:18:26 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,stats
1961 2011-04-04 22:18:28 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116736 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 191 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 1 hour, 31 minutes, and 11 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 80845.20960000
1962 2011-04-04 22:21:59 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr install * r7b2a8548b56c spesmilo/settings.py: minor rearrangement, to fix first-run settings dialog http://tinyurl.com/3ql8dut
1963 2011-04-04 22:24:42 <midnightmagic> ;;calc [bc, difficulty] / [bc, estimate]
1964 2011-04-04 22:24:42 <gribble> Error: "bc," is not a valid command.
1965 2011-04-04 22:24:55 <midnightmagic> ;;calc [[bc, difficulty]] / [[bc, estimate]]
1966 2011-04-04 22:24:55 <gribble> Error: "bc," is not a valid command.
1967 2011-04-04 22:25:31 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,calcd [bc, difficulty] / [bc, estimate]
1968 2011-04-04 22:25:32 <gribble> Error: "bc," is not a valid command.
1969 2011-04-04 22:25:42 <phantomcircuit> something like that
1970 2011-04-04 22:25:58 <midnightmagic> ;;calc [bc,diff]/[bc,estimate]
1971 2011-04-04 22:25:59 <gribble> 68,978.89245792 / 80,928.99491237 = 0.85233843
1972 2011-04-04 22:26:17 <midnightmagic> ;;calc 1-[bc,diff]/[bc,estimate]
1973 2011-04-04 22:26:18 <gribble> 1 - (68,978.89245792 / 80,928.99491237) = 0.14766157
1974 2011-04-04 22:26:44 <ArtForz> ?
1975 2011-04-04 22:26:46 <midnightmagic> except that's wrong isn't it.
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1977 2011-04-04 22:26:52 <ArtForz> wtf are you calculating?
1978 2011-04-04 22:27:19 <midnightmagic> actually i'm just trying to remember the variables.
1979 2011-04-04 22:27:30 <midnightmagic> let's see..
1980 2011-04-04 22:27:59 <ArtForz> ;;calc [bc,estimate]/[bc,diff]
1981 2011-04-04 22:28:00 <gribble> 80,928.99491237 / 68,978.89245792 = 1.17324289
1982 2011-04-04 22:28:19 <phantomcircuit> it's amazing how much slower flash drives become once they're full
1983 2011-04-04 22:28:30 <ArtForz> yea
1984 2011-04-04 22:28:32 <ArtForz> ;;calc ([bc,estimate]/[bc,diff]-1)*100
1985 2011-04-04 22:28:33 <gribble> ((80,928.99491237 / 68,978.89245792) - 1) * 100 = 17.3242887
1986 2011-04-04 22:28:36 <phantomcircuit> delete files?
1987 2011-04-04 22:28:42 <phantomcircuit> sure tomorrow
1988 2011-04-04 22:29:09 <ArtForz> also theres a huge problem with flash SSDs + full disk encryption
1989 2011-04-04 22:29:39 <midnightmagic> ([bc,estimate]-[bc,diff])/[bc,diff]
1990 2011-04-04 22:29:43 <midnightmagic> ;;calc ([bc,estimate]-[bc,diff])/[bc,diff]
1991 2011-04-04 22:29:46 <gribble> (80,928.99491237 - 68,978.89245792) / 68,978.89245792 = 0.173242887
1992 2011-04-04 22:30:41 <ArtForz> you can't exactly TRIM unused blocks when they're encrypted, unless you really dont care about leaking how much encrypted data is really on there
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1995 2011-04-04 22:32:19 <xelister> ArtForz: full disk encr + SDD is bad? hm?
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1997 2011-04-04 22:32:27 <ArtForz> yea
1998 2011-04-04 22:32:30 <phantomcircuit> xelister, it's slow as tits
1999 2011-04-04 22:32:44 <xelister> wtf why
2000 2011-04-04 22:32:59 <midnightmagic> i use a 32GB class 10 microSDHC and full-disk encryption on an EeePC.
2001 2011-04-04 22:33:06 <xelister> SDD does excelent xfer and like x50 IO/sec then hdd... so??
2002 2011-04-04 22:33:13 <gjs278> STOP CALLING IT SDD
2003 2011-04-04 22:33:15 <midnightmagic> it's only slow when i run a browser. browser cache has to be mounted tmpfs.
2004 2011-04-04 22:33:25 <ArtForz> so it's ... slow
2005 2011-04-04 22:33:35 * xelister paints "SoliD state Device" on gjs278 eyes
2006 2011-04-04 22:33:41 <midnightmagic> straight file encryption for larger files is fine.
2007 2011-04-04 22:33:49 <gjs278> gpg isn't multithreaded
2008 2011-04-04 22:33:51 <gjs278> it should be
2009 2011-04-04 22:33:54 <ArtForz> also, SD cards have about the worst possible write levelling
2010 2011-04-04 22:33:54 <gjs278> then it would be okay
2011 2011-04-04 22:33:56 <xelister> ArtForz: aww. so no freenet on ssd then?
2012 2011-04-04 22:34:22 <JFK911> new bitcoin merchant detected!! http://zjdf2bv5hixo3ds7.onion
2013 2011-04-04 22:34:24 <ZaEarl> sd cards have wear levelling?
2014 2011-04-04 22:34:38 <ArtForz> well, a bit of it, yeah
2015 2011-04-04 22:34:59 <krytzz> i never got a broken flashdrive
2016 2011-04-04 22:35:06 <krytzz> and had some machines with / on that
2017 2011-04-04 22:35:08 <ArtForz> you din't try very hard then
2018 2011-04-04 22:35:13 <midnightmagic> i broke a flash drive and all i did was use it for digital camera images
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2020 2011-04-04 22:35:22 <krytzz> hm strange
2021 2011-04-04 22:35:34 <midnightmagic> patriot, 16GB class 6. they replaced it within two weeks and i haven't seen one go down since.
2022 2011-04-04 22:36:34 <ArtForz> most SD cards at least do write leveling for their FAT-containing blocks
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2024 2011-04-04 22:37:38 <jgarzik> nooooooooo!
2025 2011-04-04 22:37:55 <jgarzik> pyminer finally generated a diff-1 share... only to die before submitting it, due to a bug
2026 2011-04-04 22:38:04 <jgarzik> it took -forever- just to hit diff-1
2027 2011-04-04 22:38:10 <JFK911> :(
2028 2011-04-04 22:38:27 <midnightmagic> doh
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2030 2011-04-04 22:39:08 <ArtForz> otherwise you would kill em in a few weeks in a camera
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2032 2011-04-04 22:39:10 <jgarzik> one of the things I dislike about python. I don't find out about a single-character typo until the code is executed (rather than compiled)
2033 2011-04-04 22:39:11 <ArtForz> real SSDs have a lot more write levelling intelligence, also a lot more spare blocks
2034 2011-04-04 22:39:11 <ArtForz> iirc the latest intel 28nm SSDs have like 30% spare blocks
2035 2011-04-04 22:39:14 <jgarzik> argh
2036 2011-04-04 22:39:51 * midnightmagic is irritated about the seeming lack of information on 120VAC motor speed controllers.
2037 2011-04-04 22:40:18 <xelister> so...
2038 2011-04-04 22:40:23 <midnightmagic> .. in my head, I mean.
2039 2011-04-04 22:40:28 <xelister> is there a good solution for massive IOs usage?
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2045 2011-04-04 22:47:32 <ArtForz> xelister: yes
2046 2011-04-04 22:47:37 <ArtForz> flash-backed DRAM
2047 2011-04-04 22:48:25 <phantomcircuit> flash-backed?
2048 2011-04-04 22:48:41 <phantomcircuit> oh
2049 2011-04-04 22:48:42 <phantomcircuit> hmm
2050 2011-04-04 22:48:47 <ArtForz> yea
2051 2011-04-04 22:48:53 <phantomcircuit> i was going to say a UPS
2052 2011-04-04 22:48:55 <phantomcircuit> lol
2053 2011-04-04 22:49:05 <phantomcircuit> aggressive write caching + UPS
2054 2011-04-04 22:49:46 <ArtForz> well, when the whole thing is DRAM, it doesnt need a write cache
2055 2011-04-04 22:50:04 <phantomcircuit> yeah but isn't that fairly expensive?
2056 2011-04-04 22:50:07 <ArtForz> just a backup battery that lasts long enough to write contents out to flash on power loss
2057 2011-04-04 22:50:09 <ArtForz> sure
2058 2011-04-04 22:50:41 <phantomcircuit> hdd with ssds as layer 2 cache combined with a ups and aggressive write caching can do wonders with a fairly small budget
2059 2011-04-04 22:51:04 <ArtForz> in that case... why even bother with a flash SSD?
2060 2011-04-04 22:51:14 <ArtForz> a few GB of DRAM will work better
2061 2011-04-04 22:51:39 <phantomcircuit> smooths out reboots
2062 2011-04-04 22:52:04 <ArtForz> what kind of weird system has high continous I/O load *and* frequent reboots?
2063 2011-04-04 22:52:10 <phantomcircuit> although if this is part of a distributed system there's no point
2064 2011-04-04 22:52:30 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, well you can get ssd's cheaper /GB than DRAM
2065 2011-04-04 22:52:32 <krytzz> robots killing humanity :)
2066 2011-04-04 22:52:58 <ArtForz> yes
2067 2011-04-04 22:53:17 <ArtForz> but you dont usually need a *that* big write cache
2068 2011-04-04 22:53:23 <phantomcircuit> 24GB of EEC DDR3 is like $800
2069 2011-04-04 22:54:12 <phantomcircuit> in that price range you could get like 200GB of ssd
2070 2011-04-04 22:54:12 <ArtForz> a few GB are usually enough to make for *very* efficient write combining
2071 2011-04-04 22:54:47 <phantomcircuit> for a sql db it can help a lot to have an ssd
2072 2011-04-04 22:54:57 <ArtForz> yea
2073 2011-04-04 22:54:58 <phantomcircuit> even if you just put the log on it
2074 2011-04-04 22:55:07 <ArtForz> yep
2075 2011-04-04 22:55:37 <ArtForz> also dont forget, DRAM is ~ order of magnitude faster than flash
2076 2011-04-04 22:55:44 <mizerydearia> You donated money for the problems in Japan ? Guess where your money went to: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fgw-japan-relief-20110404,0,7537892.story
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2078 2011-04-04 22:57:02 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, yeah, but you need the DRAM mostly for select caching
2079 2011-04-04 22:57:28 <ArtForz> you can basically saturate PCIe x16 with single channel of DDR3
2080 2011-04-04 22:57:30 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, anyways the ssd is relatively cheap in comparison to everything else and it's a nice layer in between the hdd and dram
2081 2011-04-04 22:57:36 <ArtForz> yep
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2083 2011-04-04 22:57:53 <phantomcircuit> i have a box setup like that for a mysql server
2084 2011-04-04 22:58:01 <ArtForz> but having a layer of battery-backed DRAM between disks and system RAM is imo also a very good idea
2085 2011-04-04 22:58:05 <phantomcircuit> the ssd improves insert/commit performance quite a bit
2086 2011-04-04 22:58:34 <ArtForz> but exactly for that SSDs arent too good
2087 2011-04-04 22:58:39 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, yeah
2088 2011-04-04 22:58:55 <ArtForz> SSDs really shine when you have frequent reads and infrequent writes
2089 2011-04-04 22:59:02 <ArtForz> well, flash SSDs
2090 2011-04-04 22:59:24 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, SLC does well with writes as well, you just have to make sure you use huge block sizes
2091 2011-04-04 22:59:49 <ArtForz> except SLC is basically going the way of the dodo
2092 2011-04-04 22:59:55 <gjs278> lol
2093 2011-04-04 22:59:55 <phantomcircuit> yeah i know
2094 2011-04-04 22:59:58 <phantomcircuit> it's dumb
2095 2011-04-04 23:00:19 <ArtForz> iirc intel already discontinued their enterprise SLC drives
2096 2011-04-04 23:00:34 <phantomcircuit> they're just not building new ones
2097 2011-04-04 23:00:51 <ArtForz> which is usually the meaning of "discontinued"
2098 2011-04-04 23:00:51 <phantomcircuit> but yeah battery backed DRAM banks are obviously going to be faster
2099 2011-04-04 23:00:55 <phantomcircuit> like a lot faster
2100 2011-04-04 23:01:10 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, they're still selling stocks
2101 2011-04-04 23:01:22 <ArtForz> yep
2102 2011-04-04 23:01:47 <phantomcircuit> setting up hdd/ssd/ups is easier than setting up an dram bank though
2103 2011-04-04 23:01:47 <phantomcircuit> so
2104 2011-04-04 23:01:49 <phantomcircuit> meh
2105 2011-04-04 23:02:13 <ArtForz> well, I just wonder why no one is really pushing it
2106 2011-04-04 23:02:34 <phantomcircuit> well you either have to set it up right with the journal on the ssd
2107 2011-04-04 23:02:45 <phantomcircuit> or have a file system the uses the ssd as a l2 cache
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2109 2011-04-04 23:02:55 <phantomcircuit> and iirc the only fs's that do so are ZFS/btrfs
2110 2011-04-04 23:02:58 <mizerydearia> hmm, it would be interesting if I could send a message to a user in #bitcoin on LFNet and for them to receive the message through their bitcoin node ^_^
2111 2011-04-04 23:03:05 <mizerydearia> Maybe pay a bitcoin amount too
2112 2011-04-04 23:03:35 <mizerydearia> At http://maps.google.com/maps?q=https://smsz.net/btcStats/bitcoin.kml I found a user that I would like to try to get a hold of if I can.
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2114 2011-04-04 23:03:47 <phantomcircuit> https://www.google.com/a/bitmail.com/ServiceLogin?service=mail&passive=true&rm=false&continue=https%3A%2F%2Fmail.google.com%2Fa%2Fbitmail.com%2F&bsv=llya694le36z&ss=1<mpl=default<mplcache=2
2115 2011-04-04 23:03:53 <phantomcircuit> that's lame
2116 2011-04-04 23:04:36 <ArtForz> unelss I messed up my math somewhere, a single 64 bit channel of ddr3-1333 should be able to push ~50k random 4kB IOPS
2117 2011-04-04 23:04:57 <gjs278> just test a ramdisk with bonnie
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2121 2011-04-04 23:05:17 <idnar> phantomcircuit: RAMSAN!
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2123 2011-04-04 23:06:45 <phantomcircuit> idnar, lol
2124 2011-04-04 23:06:59 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r096a184e5a5a spesmilo/core_interface.py: Bugfix: Don't error if just calling is_initialized (or __init__) http://tinyurl.com/3sna5n6
2125 2011-04-04 23:07:04 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, of course the key here is that the UPS has to be super reliable
2126 2011-04-04 23:07:05 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r494c6129356e spesmilo/ (main.py settings.py): error on bad authentication, rather than hang on stdio http://tinyurl.com/3e4a84n
2127 2011-04-04 23:07:05 <phantomcircuit> :P
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2129 2011-04-04 23:07:51 <ArtForz> phantomcircuit: which generally isnt the case
2130 2011-04-04 23:07:54 <ArtForz> I'd trust a local backup battery a LOT more than a UPS
2131 2011-04-04 23:08:26 <luke-jr> any Gentoo users here?
2132 2011-04-04 23:08:54 <phantomcircuit> <--
2133 2011-04-04 23:09:01 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr,
2134 2011-04-04 23:09:12 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: would appreciate testing of net-p2p/spesmilo-9999 âº
2135 2011-04-04 23:09:40 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, you get it included in the main portage?
2136 2011-04-04 23:09:55 <luke-jr> no, the bitcoin overlay
2137 2011-04-04 23:10:02 <luke-jr> actually, I'm not sure they pulled my branch yet :x
2138 2011-04-04 23:10:21 <luke-jr> git://gitorious.org/bitcoin/gentoo.git
2139 2011-04-04 23:10:23 <phantomcircuit> http://gpo.zugaina.org/net-p2p/bitcoin/Bugs
2140 2011-04-04 23:10:27 <ZaEarl> I got a hybrid drive for my laptop. 500gb hd with 4gb ssd cache built in.
2141 2011-04-04 23:10:39 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: layman -o https://gitorious.org/bitcoin/gentoo/blobs/raw/master/overlay.xml -f -a bitcoin
2142 2011-04-04 23:10:42 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: then pull mine into it
2143 2011-04-04 23:11:24 <ZaEarl> I would guess the ssd just caches reads, but not writes
2144 2011-04-04 23:11:46 <luke-jr> _flow_: poke
2145 2011-04-04 23:11:58 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, one sec i dont even have layman installed
2146 2011-04-04 23:12:01 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr install * r55bdc8be511a spesmilo/ (cashier.py core_interface.py main.py settings.py): Merge branch 'master' into install http://tinyurl.com/3dlzs4b
2147 2011-04-04 23:12:25 <luke-jr> O.o
2148 2011-04-04 23:14:09 <ArtForz> flowpoke? you got a lifp?
2149 2011-04-04 23:15:22 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, lol pyside is masked :|
2150 2011-04-04 23:15:27 <phantomcircuit> shame on you for using masked packages
2151 2011-04-04 23:15:29 <luke-jr> srsly? wtf Gentoo
2152 2011-04-04 23:15:48 <krytzz> pyside is just ~
2153 2011-04-04 23:15:57 <phantomcircuit> oh
2154 2011-04-04 23:16:01 <phantomcircuit> ok it's just testing
2155 2011-04-04 23:16:02 <phantomcircuit> still
2156 2011-04-04 23:16:19 <luke-jr> check the URI you configured?
2157 2011-04-04 23:16:27 <luke-jr> nm
2158 2011-04-04 23:16:28 <luke-jr> misread
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2161 2011-04-04 23:18:01 <justmoon> hmm, the fees for a transaction don't appear in the data itself, so they're basically just the difference between the total amount out and the total amount in for a tx, correct?
2162 2011-04-04 23:18:08 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, there are tons of dependencies with ~
2163 2011-04-04 23:18:13 <luke-jr> :/
2164 2011-04-04 23:18:15 <ArtForz> justmoon: yup
2165 2011-04-04 23:18:16 <luke-jr> liek what now
2166 2011-04-04 23:18:25 <justmoon> ArtForz: k thx
2167 2011-04-04 23:18:47 <phantomcircuit> http://pastebin.com/xLBbsXAH
2168 2011-04-04 23:19:08 <phantomcircuit> usually i wouldn't install something requiring that many changes
2169 2011-04-04 23:19:15 <luke-jr> wtf is shiboken?
2170 2011-04-04 23:20:14 <phantomcircuit> http://pastebin.com/ykQnrARS
2171 2011-04-04 23:22:29 <luke-jr> ⦠you don't have Qt installed? O.o
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2175 2011-04-04 23:24:04 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, why would i
2176 2011-04-04 23:24:21 <phantomcircuit> i dont have any qt apps installed
2177 2011-04-04 23:24:27 <phantomcircuit> except skype and that's statically linked
2178 2011-04-04 23:26:54 <mizerydearia> wooo, vmsalas lives in Marin county
2179 2011-04-04 23:27:15 <mizerydearia> ;;seen vmsalas
2180 2011-04-04 23:27:16 <gribble> I have not seen vmsalas.
2181 2011-04-04 23:27:16 <phantomcircuit> i wonder what % of bitcoin users are in the yay
2182 2011-04-04 23:27:39 <mizerydearia> hmm
2183 2011-04-04 23:30:22 <mizerydearia> ZaEarl, heya ^_^
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2186 2011-04-04 23:31:14 <EPiSKiNG> I think I just burned up my 800w PSU with two 5970 in crossfire
2187 2011-04-04 23:31:42 <ArtForz> that has to be one really crappy PSU
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2189 2011-04-04 23:32:09 <JackRabiit> Gah! did anyone else see the next expected difficulty! in 184blocks it'll be 80908!!!
2190 2011-04-04 23:32:18 <midnightmagic> yikes. I have machines with 4 5970 running off two 750s
2191 2011-04-04 23:32:19 <luke-jr> no surprise there
2192 2011-04-04 23:32:23 <midnightmagic> yeah, fun huh?
2193 2011-04-04 23:32:49 <JackRabiit> i needa buy more cards!
2194 2011-04-04 23:32:51 <midnightmagic> and btc prices are dropping on mtgox too. people are actually willing to sell for $0.59
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2196 2011-04-04 23:33:30 <ArtForz> yup, this is getting fun
2197 2011-04-04 23:33:56 <EPiSKiNG> ArtForz: A Mushkin 800watt 80+ certified
2198 2011-04-04 23:34:03 <Blitzboom> ;;bc,estimate
2199 2011-04-04 23:34:04 <gribble> 80907.65126968
2200 2011-04-04 23:34:23 <EPiSKiNG> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817812006
2201 2011-04-04 23:34:30 <Blitzboom> letâs see how fast the hashrate drops down now
2202 2011-04-04 23:34:32 <Blitzboom> ;;bc,stats
2203 2011-04-04 23:34:35 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116744 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 183 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 0 hours, 11 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 80907.65126968
2204 2011-04-04 23:34:56 <Blitzboom> thisâll be a long difficulty period again i guess
2205 2011-04-04 23:35:22 <ArtForz> that psu actually doesnt look THAT bad
2206 2011-04-04 23:35:40 <EPiSKiNG> QuadRail/SingleRail: Four +12V rail/Single +12V rail switch-selectable.
2207 2011-04-04 23:35:54 <EPiSKiNG> I had it set on SingleRail... wonder if that's what's up
2208 2011-04-04 23:36:02 <ArtForz> unlikely
2209 2011-04-04 23:36:05 <EPiSKiNG> yeah, it's been an awesome PSU for like 2 years
2210 2011-04-04 23:36:11 <ArtForz> the rail stuff is all just gimmick anyway
2211 2011-04-04 23:36:35 <EPiSKiNG> maybe it just tripped a thermal breaker... i'll give it a try sometime later
2212 2011-04-04 23:36:43 <ArtForz> possible
2213 2011-04-04 23:36:45 <EPiSKiNG> but as of now, I just did an RMA request
2214 2011-04-04 23:37:22 <EPiSKiNG> and, when I had both the 5970s in, poclbm didn't recognize the 2nd one unless I had crossfire enabled
2215 2011-04-04 23:37:41 <ArtForz> windows?
2216 2011-04-04 23:37:46 <EPiSKiNG> 7 x64
2217 2011-04-04 23:38:09 <ArtForz> iirc you need to enable a screen on the 2nd card to have it acvtive in non-xfire mode
2218 2011-04-04 23:38:11 <ZaEarl> dual 5970s on a 800w ps? sounds dangerous
2219 2011-04-04 23:38:17 <ArtForz> nah
2220 2011-04-04 23:38:26 <ArtForz> I have 2*5970+2*5770 on a 1kW here
2221 2011-04-04 23:38:47 <EPiSKiNG> any overclocking?
2222 2011-04-04 23:38:52 <ArtForz> yep
2223 2011-04-04 23:38:58 <ArtForz> as hash as they'll go on stock V
2224 2011-04-04 23:39:00 <ArtForz> *high
2225 2011-04-04 23:39:22 <EPiSKiNG> hmm...
2226 2011-04-04 23:39:29 <EPiSKiNG> weird..
2227 2011-04-04 23:39:33 <ZaEarl> don't those cards draw 300 watts a piece?
2228 2011-04-04 23:39:40 <ArtForz> yea
2229 2011-04-04 23:39:55 <EPiSKiNG> ~320 with overclocking
2230 2011-04-04 23:39:57 <ZaEarl> so drawing ~700 watts on a 800 watt supply?
2231 2011-04-04 23:40:02 <ZaEarl> that's pushing it
2232 2011-04-04 23:40:23 <subpar> depends on the wuality of that 800 watts
2233 2011-04-04 23:40:27 <subpar> quality
2234 2011-04-04 23:40:28 <ArtForz> yep
2235 2011-04-04 23:40:32 <EPiSKiNG> what's the best PSU mfg?
2236 2011-04-04 23:40:35 <EPiSKiNG> silverstone?
2237 2011-04-04 23:40:38 <ArtForz> a *good* 800W can handle it fine
2238 2011-04-04 23:41:02 <ArtForz> I like corsair, but they're expensive, so I usually go with superflowers 80+ gold series
2239 2011-04-04 23:41:08 <subpar> seasonic x850 / corsair hx850
2240 2011-04-04 23:41:29 <subpar> I have the seasnoc x750 - hardocp does some good PSU reviews
2241 2011-04-04 23:41:37 <EPiSKiNG> thx
2242 2011-04-04 23:41:43 <ZaEarl> running any ps at 90% load 24/7 is brutal on the ps.
2243 2011-04-04 23:41:48 <ArtForz> yep
2244 2011-04-04 23:41:57 <subpar> ZaEarl: agreed
2245 2011-04-04 23:42:22 <krytzz> are there any economic thesis or something on bitcoin? would be interesting to read
2246 2011-04-04 23:43:06 <ArtForz> my quad 5970 boxes have a pair of 1kW PSUs
2247 2011-04-04 23:43:16 <ZaEarl> my antec 1200 is eagerly awaiting the linux drivers for my dual 6990s
2248 2011-04-04 23:44:03 <ArtForz> only problem with superflower PSUs, their thermal fan control is rather... eww
2249 2011-04-04 23:44:29 <ArtForz> > 30°C intake/exhaust delta at load without external airflow
2250 2011-04-04 23:44:54 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, lol still building qt
2251 2011-04-04 23:45:18 <ArtForz> thats the main reason why I went with a dedicated 120x38mm case fan for the psu compartment
2252 2011-04-04 23:46:18 <ArtForz> without it those PSUs reach internal temps well north of my comfort zone
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2254 2011-04-04 23:52:47 <gasteve_> ;;bc,stats
2255 2011-04-04 23:52:50 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116746 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 181 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 0 hours, 1 minute, and 58 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 80785.90324279
2256 2011-04-04 23:52:53 <EPiSKiNG> is there a way to test a PSU without plugging in to a motherboard?
2257 2011-04-04 23:53:01 <ArtForz> yea
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2259 2011-04-04 23:53:15 <ArtForz> connect PS_ON to GND on the 20/24 pin
2260 2011-04-04 23:53:21 <Stellar> ArtForz: do you use any water/custom cooling?
2261 2011-04-04 23:53:26 <ArtForz> nope
2262 2011-04-04 23:53:52 <ArtForz> stock HSFs + one 120x38mm case fan per pair of 5970s
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2266 2011-04-04 23:54:05 <Stellar> ArtForz: how about the quad spacing? isn't it too close?
2267 2011-04-04 23:54:13 <ArtForz> not with risers
2268 2011-04-04 23:54:59 <Stellar> ArtForz: what's is your total speed?
2269 2011-04-04 23:55:20 <ArtForz> 38.2Ghps
2270 2011-04-04 23:55:49 <Stellar> for the single quad 5970 i meant ;)
2271 2011-04-04 23:55:57 <Stellar> *rig
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2273 2011-04-04 23:56:02 <ArtForz> ~2.4Ghps
2274 2011-04-04 23:56:09 <krytzz> lol what 38ghps
2275 2011-04-04 23:56:09 <Stellar> mobo?
2276 2011-04-04 23:56:18 <ArtForz> MSI 790FX-GD70
2277 2011-04-04 23:56:22 <ArtForz> prototype pic: http://bayimg.com/KAAeaaAdp
2278 2011-04-04 23:56:23 <ZaEarl> get a PS tester like this http://www.amazon.com/Coolmax-Power-Supply-Tester-PS-228/dp/B002R06PGE
2279 2011-04-04 23:57:02 <ArtForz> main 5970 stack: http://bayimg.com/eABDfaAdd
2280 2011-04-04 23:57:34 <ArtForz> replaced the lower PSUs since then
2281 2011-04-04 23:58:02 <Stellar> nice..
2282 2011-04-04 23:58:08 <Stellar> corsair ?
2283 2011-04-04 23:58:19 <ArtForz> nope
2284 2011-04-04 23:58:23 <ArtForz> lower PSUs were LC-Power X2 1000W 80+ gold
2285 2011-04-04 23:58:44 <ArtForz> they pretty much all blew up after a few months
2286 2011-04-04 23:58:49 <gasteve_> Are each of those like 8u?
2287 2011-04-04 23:58:59 <ArtForz> 7U
2288 2011-04-04 23:59:06 <Stellar> hmm never heard of LC-Power i've gues re-branded sunsonic oem?
2289 2011-04-04 23:59:30 <gasteve_> So, only a modest space savings over dual systems
2290 2011-04-04 23:59:41 <ArtForz> andyson
2291 2011-04-04 23:59:52 <Stellar> any fried gpu yet? and how about the temp? also the watt per quad rig?
2292 2011-04-04 23:59:52 <gasteve_> But a good cost savings
2293 2011-04-04 23:59:53 <ArtForz> yep