1 2011-04-05 00:00:11 <ArtForz> got the 790FX boards pretty cheap back then
   2 2011-04-05 00:00:20 <ArtForz> yes, 2 dead 5970s, but not in those boxes
   3 2011-04-05 00:00:33 <ArtForz> both of my 5970s w/ accelero xtreme coolers died
   4 2011-04-05 00:00:45 <gasteve_> Just the 5970s alone would pull around 1200 watts right?
   5 2011-04-05 00:00:51 <ArtForz> nope
   6 2011-04-05 00:01:02 <ArtForz> 1280W at the plug
   7 2011-04-05 00:01:03 <Stellar> so the cause mainly the failing coolers?
   8 2011-04-05 00:01:16 <ArtForz> and thats with the 5970s OCed as far as they'll go on stock V
   9 2011-04-05 00:01:22 <ArtForz> yeah
  10 2011-04-05 00:01:36 <ArtForz> accelero doesnt cool the rear VRMs properly
  11 2011-04-05 00:01:43 <Stellar> these 2  gpu are you able  to RMA or beyond the agreement?
  12 2011-04-05 00:01:56 <gasteve_> I'm amazed the 1000w psu lasted that long
  13 2011-04-05 00:02:07 <ArtForz> err... why?
  14 2011-04-05 00:02:18 <ArtForz> a 1kW at < 600W load should last pretty much forever
  15 2011-04-05 00:02:36 <ArtForz> problem is the andysons all had the same assembly defect
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  17 2011-04-05 00:02:44 <gasteve_> 1280w with a 1000w psu?
  18 2011-04-05 00:02:46 <ArtForz> screws for secondary rectifiers werent tightened properly
  19 2011-04-05 00:02:51 <ArtForz> *2* 1000W PSUs
  20 2011-04-05 00:02:58 <gasteve_> Ah ;)
  21 2011-04-05 00:03:16 <TheKid> ArtForz: know of a good aftermarket cooler for the 5870?
  22 2011-04-05 00:03:21 <TheKid> mine died heh
  23 2011-04-05 00:03:34 <ArtForz> replaced em with the same super flower 80+ golds I've used as the top PSUs
  24 2011-04-05 00:03:46 <ArtForz> had 0 problems with those so far
  25 2011-04-05 00:04:35 <ArtForz> TheKid: hmmm... not really
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  27 2011-04-05 00:05:23 <ArtForz> btw, having case fans basically force air through the cards really helps a lot
  28 2011-04-05 00:05:31 <Stellar> ArtForz: any chance to get your efficent opencl miner?
  29 2011-04-05 00:05:44 <ArtForz> it's actually CAL IL
  30 2011-04-05 00:05:57 <sipa> Stellar: his openCL miner is available ;)
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  32 2011-04-05 00:06:04 <ArtForz> I already posted my CL miner kernel like months ago
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  35 2011-04-05 00:06:12 <Stellar> woot where?
  36 2011-04-05 00:06:17 <Stellar> forum?
  37 2011-04-05 00:06:20 <ArtForz> and it looks like everyone based theirs on it :P
  38 2011-04-05 00:06:26 <sipa> Stellar: poclbm and diablo use it
  39 2011-04-05 00:06:38 <ArtForz> I think jgarzik, too
  40 2011-04-05 00:07:02 <Stellar> so it's already implemented ;), i thought it's still a trade secret
  41 2011-04-05 00:07:08 <Stellar> kudos ArtForz
  42 2011-04-05 00:07:13 <EPiSKiNG> ArtForz: have you made enough BTC to pay for your equipment?
  43 2011-04-05 00:07:14 <sipa> trade secret?
  44 2011-04-05 00:07:22 <sipa> ah
  45 2011-04-05 00:07:27 <ArtForz> yea
  46 2011-04-05 00:07:29 <ArtForz> well, yeah, whenever I stop using something because I got something better, I release it :P
  47 2011-04-05 00:07:49 <Stellar> i've guess it also hahha
  48 2011-04-05 00:07:58 <Stellar> so you have more efficient one now
  49 2011-04-05 00:08:04 <ArtForz> yea
  50 2011-04-05 00:08:14 <ArtForz> my CAL IL miner gets 604Mh/s on a stock 5970
  51 2011-04-05 00:08:34 <sipa> instead of 550 something?
  52 2011-04-05 00:08:40 <ArtForz> yea
  53 2011-04-05 00:08:48 <ArtForz> best I got with my CL miner has ~565
  54 2011-04-05 00:08:53 <sipa> stupid BFI_INT!
  55 2011-04-05 00:08:55 <Stellar> CAL IL? sorry i am not that geek enough..
  56 2011-04-05 00:08:58 <ArtForz> yep
  57 2011-04-05 00:09:15 <ArtForz> basically ATIs older low-level GPGPU language
  58 2011-04-05 00:09:24 <ArtForz> pretty much "portable shader assembler"
  59 2011-04-05 00:09:31 <Stellar> i see..
  60 2011-04-05 00:09:37 <Stellar> any tips?
  61 2011-04-05 00:09:39 <Stellar> :p
  62 2011-04-05 00:10:15 <ArtForz> okay, next gen of FPGAs could get *really* interesting
  63 2011-04-05 00:10:40 <sipa> Stellar: something like this may help: http://abstrusegoose.com/249
  64 2011-04-05 00:10:40 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, almost have pyside installed...
  65 2011-04-05 00:10:41 <phantomcircuit> lol
  66 2011-04-05 00:11:03 <ArtForz> 300Mh/s on a -2 speed grade kintex7 325T
  67 2011-04-05 00:11:20 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, this is taking forever because im emerging another system in parallel
  68 2011-04-05 00:11:32 <ArtForz> sampling now, should hit channel in Q3/Q4
  69 2011-04-05 00:11:42 <triptoz> whats the total hash power of the network?
  70 2011-04-05 00:12:28 <Stellar> lol
  71 2011-04-05 00:12:45 <lfm> triptoz: nearly 1e12 hash/s
  72 2011-04-05 00:13:01 <ArtForz> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-2k.png
  73 2011-04-05 00:13:13 <ArtForz> I'd say... about 620Gh/s
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  75 2011-04-05 00:14:05 <lfm> I think its over 800Gh/s
  76 2011-04-05 00:14:36 <ArtForz> over 9000?
  77 2011-04-05 00:14:49 <lfm> woops no, I read my own graph wrong, your right closer to 600
  78 2011-04-05 00:15:08 <ArtForz> löl
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  80 2011-04-05 00:16:01 <sipa> ąĥ ỉŝ ïţ ōvểřủšê-đỉặćŕĩťíčâļș-đẳỳ?
  81 2011-04-05 00:17:49 <Blitzboom> ̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̀̀̀̀̀̀̀ŝ̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂́́́́́́́́́́́́́́́́́́́ú̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂ʳ̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀́́́́́́́́́́́é̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂
  82 2011-04-05 00:17:56 <kelp> how much does a kintex7 325T cost?
  83 2011-04-05 00:18:03 <ArtForz> no clue
  84 2011-04-05 00:18:23 <kelp> oh have they not announced pricing yet?
  85 2011-04-05 00:18:34 <ArtForz> yeah
  86 2011-04-05 00:18:53 <ArtForz> currently theres only early engineering smaples going to select xilinx customers
  87 2011-04-05 00:19:23 <ArtForz> maybe ask your field rep really nicely to give you a call when they know channel pricing
  88 2011-04-05 00:22:10 <mizerydearia> Blitzboom, ٩๏̯͡๏)۶ ¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿'̿̿̿̿̿̿̿'̿̿'̿̿̿̿̿'̿̿̿)͇̿̿)̿̿̿̿ '̿̿̿̿̿̿\̵͇̿̿\٩(̾●̮̮̃̾•̃̾)
  89 2011-04-05 00:22:31 <Blitzboom> haha
  90 2011-04-05 00:22:42 <Blitzboom> i surrender
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  93 2011-04-05 00:28:11 <lfm> Artix-7 FPGA sample wafer begin to deliver in the 1st quarter of 2012. .
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  95 2011-04-05 00:28:43 <ArtForz> yea
  96 2011-04-05 00:28:51 <ArtForz> artix is the low cost variant
  97 2011-04-05 00:29:47 <ArtForz> those usually come last so they can sort yield issues on the faster higher-margin parts
  98 2011-04-05 00:29:50 <lfm> ya, trying to read some machine translated report
  99 2011-04-05 00:30:13 <ArtForz> it used to be virtex first, spartan 6-9 months later
 100 2011-04-05 00:30:17 <ArtForz> but now they have 3 series
 101 2011-04-05 00:30:26 <ArtForz> artix, kintex, virtex
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 103 2011-04-05 00:31:13 <ArtForz> it seems this time they go with kintex first, then virtex and artix more or less simultaneously
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 105 2011-04-05 00:32:03 <lfm> Kintex-7 K325T FPGA sample wafer already delivered now.
 106 2011-04-05 00:32:51 <ArtForz> yep
 107 2011-04-05 00:32:51 <ArtForz> like I said, kintex 325T is already sampling to select customers
 108 2011-04-05 00:32:51 <ArtForz> should hit channel in Q3/Q4
 109 2011-04-05 00:33:56 <lfm> The customer can think of the sales representative to appear through getting in touch the locality match to be efficacious to obtain the advanced edition of the platform to demonstrate.
 110 2011-04-05 00:34:09 <jgarzik> ArtForz: tcatm's oclminer (based on my cpuminer) uses your kernel, yeah
 111 2011-04-05 00:34:18 <lfm> see what I mean?
 112 2011-04-05 00:34:28 <ArtForz> yeah
 113 2011-04-05 00:34:37 <ArtForz> machine translation sucks
 114 2011-04-05 00:35:02 * Kiba conducted his duty as escrow agent
 115 2011-04-05 00:35:51 <ArtForz> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Xilinx-Starts-Shipping-28nm-Kintex-7-FPGAs-190630.shtml
 116 2011-04-05 00:37:00 <ArtForz> really depends on how Kintex will get priced
 117 2011-04-05 00:37:30 <Kiba> what ya guys are talking about?
 118 2011-04-05 00:37:56 subpar has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 119 2011-04-05 00:38:04 <lfm> future fpga
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 121 2011-04-05 00:39:43 <ArtForz> should be really interesting if 325T is < $500
 122 2011-04-05 00:40:53 <ArtForz> twice as big as a S6-150, about 4x as fast, about 2x power consumption
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 124 2011-04-05 00:42:56 <ArtForz> so... ~300Mh/s at < 10W
 125 2011-04-05 00:43:21 <kelp> wow
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 132 2011-04-05 00:46:21 <ZaEarl> gpu mine while you can!
 133 2011-04-05 00:46:47 skeledrew has joined
 134 2011-04-05 00:47:06 <TheKid> yeah what the hell
 135 2011-04-05 00:47:21 <TheKid> like, I GPU mine with some hefty gpus because I play games too
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 139 2011-04-05 00:53:05 <robblesz> Are there any open-source pool server projects?
 140 2011-04-05 00:53:16 <ArtForz> yes
 141 2011-04-05 00:53:21 <robblesz> Can't find anything code-wise except clients
 142 2011-04-05 00:53:59 <robblesz> ArtForz: will you give me a name?
 143 2011-04-05 00:54:28 Vladimir has joined
 144 2011-04-05 00:54:29 <lfm> puddinpop has a open source pool
 145 2011-04-05 00:56:00 <robblesz> Ah thanks, I should have noticed that since it's right there in the wiki
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 147 2011-04-05 00:57:05 <jgarzik> robblesz: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3493.0
 148 2011-04-05 00:57:17 <robblesz> I'm probably going to need a cooperative server, since my server is really slow
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 150 2011-04-05 00:57:46 <lfm> dont even try to run it on a really slow server
 151 2011-04-05 00:57:49 <robblesz> Trying to setup a donation pool server (all profits go to the pool server)
 152 2011-04-05 00:58:20 <jgarzik> robblesz: also, see http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3614.msg78994#msg78994
 153 2011-04-05 00:58:22 <robblesz> jgarzik: thanks for that
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 155 2011-04-05 00:58:34 <robblesz> x2 :)
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 171 2011-04-05 01:23:29 <Kiba> I am done, folks!
 172 2011-04-05 01:23:37 <lfm> bye
 173 2011-04-05 01:23:38 <Kiba> Weusecoins just recevied the largest bitcoin bounty in history
 174 2011-04-05 01:23:44 skeledrew has joined
 175 2011-04-05 01:23:50 <Kiba> http://blockexplorer.com/address/17eSZivDJpuJp9TxezTXVxkgLbsr3XZM1i
 176 2011-04-05 01:23:59 <triptoz> how much
 177 2011-04-05 01:24:12 <Kiba> 8511.96 BTC
 178 2011-04-05 01:24:14 <triptoz> whoa
 179 2011-04-05 01:24:17 <triptoz> how did they do that
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 181 2011-04-05 01:24:37 <Kiba> because they provided great value?
 182 2011-04-05 01:24:52 <triptoz> what did they provide
 183 2011-04-05 01:25:02 <Kiba> weusecoins.com
 184 2011-04-05 01:25:03 <Kiba> that
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 186 2011-04-05 01:25:21 <Blitzboom> i think that deserves some news mention
 187 2011-04-05 01:25:25 <triptoz> oh wait
 188 2011-04-05 01:25:28 <Blitzboom> slashdot maybe?
 189 2011-04-05 01:25:34 <triptoz> when you said "bounty" i thought you meant transaction fee / block bounty
 190 2011-04-05 01:25:37 <justmoon> wait what?
 191 2011-04-05 01:25:44 <justmoon> weusecoins, that's me? we got paid?
 192 2011-04-05 01:25:45 <triptoz> youre talking about a bounty for development
 193 2011-04-05 01:25:47 <triptoz> thats awesome
 194 2011-04-05 01:25:53 <Blitzboom> justmoon: yep, see the forums :D
 195 2011-04-05 01:25:57 * justmoon is booting up the vm to check!
 196 2011-04-05 01:26:07 <Blitzboom> i hope we’ll see you working on that technical video!
 197 2011-04-05 01:26:11 <triptoz> weusebitcoin looks like a cool service
 198 2011-04-05 01:26:16 <justmoon> hells yeah!
 199 2011-04-05 01:26:21 subpar has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 200 2011-04-05 01:26:22 <Blitzboom> congrats, justmoon
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 202 2011-04-05 01:26:29 <justmoon> thanks :)
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 204 2011-04-05 01:26:53 <alias420> where was the bounty posted?
 205 2011-04-05 01:27:05 <alias420> that seems higher than the ones I saw
 206 2011-04-05 01:27:31 <Blitzboom> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5140.msg79223#new
 207 2011-04-05 01:27:45 <Blitzboom> no wait, it was http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=697.0
 208 2011-04-05 01:28:04 <Blitzboom> i want to get this mentioned in the news
 209 2011-04-05 01:28:15 <alias420> I guess the bounty page I viewed was stale
 210 2011-04-05 01:28:18 <triptoz> justmoon rules
 211 2011-04-05 01:28:19 <justmoon> on an unrelated note: where can I find the exact formula for converting block number to amount created?
 212 2011-04-05 01:28:24 <triptoz> now this point.. it doesn't explain "what the bounty is"
 213 2011-04-05 01:28:25 <alias420> I think it was on bitcoin.it not .org
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 215 2011-04-05 01:28:27 <triptoz> it just says "bounty"
 216 2011-04-05 01:28:54 <alias420> 8800 BTC in my escrow account
 217 2011-04-05 01:29:00 <Blitzboom> it’s definitely a great achievement that a community organized money (bitcoins!) for the payment of a professional advertisment
 218 2011-04-05 01:29:02 <triptoz> oh i misread
 219 2011-04-05 01:29:12 <triptoz> the post says what the bounty is for
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 221 2011-04-05 01:29:32 <triptoz> congrats justmoon! weustcoins is an awesome site
 222 2011-04-05 01:29:43 <triptoz> yeah pretty awesome Blitzboom
 223 2011-04-05 01:29:55 <Kiba> he almost have 9000 BTC for now
 224 2011-04-05 01:29:58 <Kiba> that's a lot of money!
 225 2011-04-05 01:30:04 <justmoon> triptoz: thanks dude, front page redesign is in the works - we want to feature the client more prominently, make it more of an overview page
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 227 2011-04-05 01:30:23 <Kiba> justmoon: yes, you need to be able to download the bitcoin client
 228 2011-04-05 01:30:52 <Kiba> now I don't have the responsiblity of handling such a largeass bounty
 229 2011-04-05 01:30:55 <justmoon> I also darkened the font a bit in the latest revision (not online yet) - don't remember who suggested that, but he was right
 230 2011-04-05 01:31:09 <justmoon> kiba: haha, guess who does though :|
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 232 2011-04-05 01:31:28 <Kiba> better you than me
 233 2011-04-05 01:31:33 <alias420> what is the bounty on getting merchants to use bit coin?
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 235 2011-04-05 01:32:21 <justmoon> goddamn, I can't get the vm-based bitcoin client to connect ^^
 236 2011-04-05 01:32:57 <justmoon> ah but kiba posted the block explorer link
 237 2011-04-05 01:33:17 <justmoon> ok, yeah, looks like the money is there
 238 2011-04-05 01:34:05 <Kiba> now ya need to make sure your money is encrypted and backed up and everything
 239 2011-04-05 01:34:26 <justmoon> what, you're saying my win 98 on a dial up connection isn't secure enough?
 240 2011-04-05 01:34:39 <justmoon> j/k :P
 241 2011-04-05 01:34:48 * grbgout chuckles
 242 2011-04-05 01:35:04 <grbgout> I got a laptop for free the other day, it's only a 229 MHz CPU, and it's running Windows 98 --- not even SE.
 243 2011-04-05 01:36:00 <Kiba> justmoon: with that money, you could live on it for a long time
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 245 2011-04-05 01:36:11 <Kiba> well, a month
 246 2011-04-05 01:36:58 <ArtForz> lol
 247 2011-04-05 01:37:03 <ArtForz> I think I got a 486SX33 laptop around here somewhere
 248 2011-04-05 01:37:14 <ArtForz> passive 8-bit LCD, and it actually still is useful
 249 2011-04-05 01:37:18 <justmoon> first order of business is doing the accounting for the first video and put up a "marketing fund watch page", second order of business is starting to gather what should actually be in the tech video
 250 2011-04-05 01:37:28 <justmoon> and that'll be a point of much contention I expect
 251 2011-04-05 01:37:37 <[Tycho]> I have XT notebook somewhere :)
 252 2011-04-05 01:37:37 <ArtForz> well, it is useful if you have some old expensive equipment w/ parport interface and DOS software that doesnt like fast CPUs
 253 2011-04-05 01:37:45 <justmoon> btw the designer for the first video has already expressed interest to help with the tech video too
 254 2011-04-05 01:38:33 * [Tycho] is planning to shot some video too :)
 255 2011-04-05 01:38:36 <Blitzboom> great
 256 2011-04-05 01:39:05 <grbgout> I received another, older, laptop as well, but it doesn't have a power-cord, so I haven't looked at it in too much detail.  I should lookup the model info....
 257 2011-04-05 01:39:11 <justmoon> [Tycho]: let me know when you upload, weusecoins youtube account is favoriting all interesting bitcoin stuff
 258 2011-04-05 01:39:32 <Blitzboom> i don’t understand why your video isn’t showed as first result, searching "bitcoin" on youtube
 259 2011-04-05 01:39:59 <justmoon> Blitzboom: google gives a lot of weight to seniority
 260 2011-04-05 01:40:05 <[Tycho]> justmoon, ok. But it's going to be live-action and may be in russian :)
 261 2011-04-05 01:40:06 <justmoon> I'd imagine it'll catch up eventually
 262 2011-04-05 01:40:15 <Blitzboom> ah, ok
 263 2011-04-05 01:40:27 <grbgout> [Tycho]: oooh, are you going to have a 'mining' scene, with pick-axes?
 264 2011-04-05 01:40:32 <justmoon> [Tycho]: no problem :)
 265 2011-04-05 01:40:51 <[Tycho]> (Most bitcoin public info is in russian already anyway)
 266 2011-04-05 01:40:54 <justmoon> [Tycho]: maybe you can do english subtitles?
 267 2011-04-05 01:41:02 <[Tycho]> justmoon, yes.
 268 2011-04-05 01:41:09 <justmoon> cool!
 269 2011-04-05 01:41:14 <justmoon> see? problem solved
 270 2011-04-05 01:41:16 <[Tycho]> grbgout, more like cyberpunk, i suppose :)
 271 2011-04-05 01:41:19 <justmoon> russian sounds cooler anyway
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 273 2011-04-05 01:41:38 <Kiba> it will takes a while for the news to spread...
 274 2011-04-05 01:42:16 <[Tycho]> That's surprising, BTW: https://www.google.com/trends?q=bitcoin&ctab=0&geo=all&date=ytd&sort=0
 275 2011-04-05 01:42:55 <Blitzboom> https://www.google.com/trends?q=bitcoin%2Cruble&ctab=0&geo=all&date=ytd&sort=0
 276 2011-04-05 01:42:59 <Kiba> I just sent 5000 USD worth of bitcoin :O
 277 2011-04-05 01:43:00 <Blitzboom> problem, ruble?
 278 2011-04-05 01:43:19 <alias420> Kiba at what exchange rate?
 279 2011-04-05 01:43:37 <Kiba> at 0.68 USD
 280 2011-04-05 01:44:58 <justmoon> I was working the other day on my block explorer clone and saw a 40000 btc transaction - since then I'm wondering what the largest tx ever was?
 281 2011-04-05 01:45:03 <justmoon> probably 100000+?
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 284 2011-04-05 01:47:37 <Kiba> atm, people seems to be asleep
 285 2011-04-05 01:47:58 <justmoon> don't understand why, it's 3:43am here, perfect time for IRC
 286 2011-04-05 01:48:23 <Kiba> it's 9:43 PM here
 287 2011-04-05 01:48:39 <[Tycho]> 05:46 :)
 288 2011-04-05 01:48:50 <grbgout> Kiba: where abouts on the East Coast are you?
 289 2011-04-05 01:48:52 <justmoon> bitcoin never sleeps guys
 290 2011-04-05 01:49:03 <Blitzboom> neither the network nor the market
 291 2011-04-05 01:49:09 <Kiba> Georgia
 292 2011-04-05 01:49:17 <Kiba> justmoon: we're mostly the western world
 293 2011-04-05 01:49:25 <grbgout> a buddy of mine is going to basic training in Georgia as of tomorrow.
 294 2011-04-05 01:49:49 <triptoz> grbgout: save it for your facebook page
 295 2011-04-05 01:50:26 <triptoz> j/k grbgout hehe
 296 2011-04-05 01:50:32 <triptoz> grbgout is cool
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 298 2011-04-05 01:52:02 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r77cd74bcc39d spesmilo/ (main.py settings.py): Allow reconfiguration when connection fails http://tinyurl.com/3mg2r3p
 299 2011-04-05 01:52:03 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r6a0e5e05f57e spesmilo/.gitignore: Ignore generated bitcoin32.png http://tinyurl.com/3j8wez4
 300 2011-04-05 01:53:47 <justmoon> I think I'm gonna donate 33.16 to the fund to make it a round 9000 :D
 301 2011-04-05 01:53:58 <grbgout> justmoon: haha, very noble of you ;)
 302 2011-04-05 01:54:02 <gasteve_> Kiba: Where in Georgia?
 303 2011-04-05 01:54:11 <grbgout> kudos on the video, btw.
 304 2011-04-05 01:54:45 <justmoon> grbgout: thanks :)
 305 2011-04-05 01:55:22 <grbgout> Yours and the video on bitcoin.org are the videos I point people to, typically.
 306 2011-04-05 01:55:36 <gasteve_> ;;bc,mtgox
 307 2011-04-05 01:55:37 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.785,"low":0.5619,"vol":31447,"buy":0.6051,"sell":0.7,"last":0.609}}
 308 2011-04-05 01:55:55 <Kiba> hmm
 309 2011-04-05 01:56:04 <Kiba> gasteve_: why would I tell you?
 310 2011-04-05 01:56:09 <justmoon> ok, 33.16 are on the way :)
 311 2011-04-05 01:56:32 <gasteve_> Just curious
 312 2011-04-05 01:56:46 <gasteve_> (I'm in Roswell)
 313 2011-04-05 01:57:04 <Kiba> Lawrenceville
 314 2011-04-05 01:57:14 <[Tycho]> Blocks coming in pairs now ? :) http://www.bitcoinmonitor.com/
 315 2011-04-05 01:58:16 <justmoon> randomness is chunky
 316 2011-04-05 01:58:18 <justmoon> extra-chunky with extra cheese
 317 2011-04-05 01:59:39 <TheKid> my 6990 found a block after 5 minutes of being connected to bitcoin.cz
 318 2011-04-05 01:59:41 <TheKid> I raged
 319 2011-04-05 02:00:11 <[Tycho]> TheKid, my pool doesn't shows who finds the block :)
 320 2011-04-05 02:01:10 <TheKid> slush's does
 321 2011-04-05 02:01:11 <TheKid> :)
 322 2011-04-05 02:01:11 <ankoss> [Tycho] very interesting
 323 2011-04-05 02:01:35 <[Tycho]> This prevents rage :)
 324 2011-04-05 02:01:39 <Kiba> it seems to me that there are fees
 325 2011-04-05 02:01:45 <justmoon> aww, some asshole donated 1 btc, now we have 9001 *where are my OCD pills*
 326 2011-04-05 02:01:55 <Kiba> rofl
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 328 2011-04-05 02:02:08 <ArtForz> it's over 9000!
 329 2011-04-05 02:02:13 <justmoon> ROFL
 330 2011-04-05 02:02:25 <ankoss> 12 consecutive blocks, coming in pairs less than 1 min apart is pretty unusual
 331 2011-04-05 02:02:27 <grbgout> What, 9000?
 332 2011-04-05 02:03:03 <justmoon> ankoss: it's the NSA and CIA and the national weather service attacking the bitcoin network :P
 333 2011-04-05 02:03:10 <ankoss> indeed! haha
 334 2011-04-05 02:03:31 <[Tycho]> Weather prediction services can do that.
 335 2011-04-05 02:03:41 <Blitzboom> justmoon: IT’S OVER NINE THOUSAND
 336 2011-04-05 02:03:48 <Blitzboom> oh, i came too late
 337 2011-04-05 02:03:57 <gasteve_> I like the fact that slush shows you when you find blocks...you compare that to the payout you get and see how close you're tracking to the payout you could have expected from solo mining
 338 2011-04-05 02:04:01 <justmoon> *power level meter thingy explodes*
 339 2011-04-05 02:04:09 <Blitzboom> hehe
 340 2011-04-05 02:04:10 <[Tycho]> 9000 is for a second video ?
 341 2011-04-05 02:04:28 <Blitzboom> what about bitcoin reaches over 9000 USD rate?
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 343 2011-04-05 02:04:34 <ankoss> the chances of such a pattern are probably around 1 in a million (that is the chances that 6 blocks in a row will be one minute after the previous block)
 344 2011-04-05 02:05:48 <justmoon> [Tycho]: 2000 is to pay off existing video (maybe 2500 given current exchange rate), rest is for next video
 345 2011-04-05 02:06:22 <justmoon> with the next video I can hold of actually paying anything for months, hopefully I'll be able to hit a favorable rate that way
 346 2011-04-05 02:06:57 <ankoss> does bitocin have a mascot
 347 2011-04-05 02:07:06 <ankoss> like a wisecracking owl
 348 2011-04-05 02:07:23 <justmoon> ankoss, yes we do, let me find the link
 349 2011-04-05 02:07:55 <justmoon> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1756.0
 350 2011-04-05 02:07:59 <justmoon> see cat thingy on the right
 351 2011-04-05 02:08:07 <ankoss> oh sweet
 352 2011-04-05 02:08:21 <justmoon> (that's not from us, just to be clear)
 353 2011-04-05 02:08:26 <ankoss> wow these are great illustrations
 354 2011-04-05 02:09:00 <justmoon> first thing our designer said about the logos: "oh man he rotated the coin, you don't do that." xD
 355 2011-04-05 02:09:35 <nanotube> why don't you rotate the coin?
 356 2011-04-05 02:09:36 <[Tycho]> maneki neko ? :)
 357 2011-04-05 02:10:09 <justmoon> nanotube: because it makes it look off-balance and if you want to get all fancy and metaphorical: unstable
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 359 2011-04-05 02:10:15 <forrestv> ankoss, actually it's about 2 in a billion :p
 360 2011-04-05 02:10:36 <Kiba> O_O
 361 2011-04-05 02:10:44 <ArtForz> actually it's pretty damn common
 362 2011-04-05 02:10:50 <ankoss> forrestv, interesting..
 363 2011-04-05 02:11:18 <justmoon> forrestv: actually it's over 9000!!
 364 2011-04-05 02:11:27 <Kiba> [Tycho]: so..how do you figure out the fees?
 365 2011-04-05 02:11:30 <ArtForz> well, this *exact* pattern is about 1 in infinity, but other similar ones are pretty common
 366 2011-04-05 02:11:53 <ankoss> the chances of 6 blocks generated in the same minute (1-10) following the prior coin was the probability i was looking at.. but there are different ways of framing it
 367 2011-04-05 02:11:59 <[Tycho]> Kiba, fees on pool mining ?
 368 2011-04-05 02:12:16 <ankoss> like 6 coins each generated in the second minute after the previous one.. or the third minute.. there are 10 possibilities...
 369 2011-04-05 02:12:25 <Kiba> bitcoin monitor
 370 2011-04-05 02:13:19 <ankoss> its true theres an observation bias.. what you really want is the probability of "some interesting pattern" showing up which is of course very high indeed.. but i thought i was being fair w.r.t "generated in the same minute"
 371 2011-04-05 02:14:18 <[Tycho]> Kiba, bitcoin monitor doesn't belongs to me.
 372 2011-04-05 02:15:24 <ArtForz> yep
 373 2011-04-05 02:15:49 <ArtForz> seeing patterns in randomness is fun though
 374 2011-04-05 02:16:13 <[Tycho]> I see them every time.
 375 2011-04-05 02:16:44 <[Tycho]> Like cycles in shares/block for both pools
 376 2011-04-05 02:17:13 <ArtForz> found virgin mary yet?
 377 2011-04-05 02:17:13 * Kiba wonders if mtgox is dominated by bots already
 378 2011-04-05 02:17:28 <[Tycho]> "virgin mary" ?
 379 2011-04-05 02:17:38 <ArtForz> yeah
 380 2011-04-05 02:18:44 <forrestv> yeah, that probability i gave was 13 blocks being within one minute of each other
 381 2011-04-05 02:18:50 <forrestv> >.<
 382 2011-04-05 02:19:11 <Kiba> hmm
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 384 2011-04-05 02:20:50 <ankoss> well its all totally random
 385 2011-04-05 02:21:19 <ankoss> algorithmic entropy
 386 2011-04-05 02:22:05 <ankoss> its not really random.. since it can be compressed down to a small program that finds hashes
 387 2011-04-05 02:22:15 <ankoss> a truly random sequence is uncompressible
 388 2011-04-05 02:22:35 <ankoss> so its pseudo-random.. but youd be hard pressed to find any way of distinguishing it from really random...
 389 2011-04-05 02:24:57 <ankoss> http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-stoner-arms-dealers-20110316
 390 2011-04-05 02:29:04 <Kiba> mtgox trading seems to come in wave
 391 2011-04-05 02:29:21 <Kiba> probably, bots?
 392 2011-04-05 02:30:25 <MagicalTux> Kiba, when you enter a buy, it can be filled by many sell orders
 393 2011-04-05 02:30:48 <MagicalTux> if you buy or sell large amounts at lower-than-market price you get lots of orders filled
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 402 2011-04-05 02:43:26 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
 403 2011-04-05 02:43:28 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116767 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 160 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 21 hours, 17 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 80833.03709559
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 409 2011-04-05 02:52:02 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r8288eb46c493 spesmilo/ (core_interface.py main.py settings.py): Bugfix: multiple bugs related to internal core use (which now works) http://tinyurl.com/3esb4eo
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 418 2011-04-05 03:14:11 <SoobNauce> How often does bitcoin check blocks for transactions?  My laptop is currently using my netbook's wallet.dat but it doesn't see the netbook's latest incoming transaction.  My laptop is only 1 block behind the swarm, it seems.  Will the transaction (which has 20 confirmations) come in to my laptop when I get the latest block, or do I need to do something?
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 420 2011-04-05 03:14:55 <SoobNauce> Can I tell bitcoin to rescan (every?) blocks for transactions?  If I know in which block a transaction occurred, can I tell bitcoin to rescan that block for a transaction?
 421 2011-04-05 03:14:56 <phantomcircuit> SoobNauce, it checks them as they come in from the p2p network
 422 2011-04-05 03:15:06 <phantomcircuit> SoobNauce, and yes you can ./bitcoin --help
 423 2011-04-05 03:15:49 <SoobNauce> also, there is currently no way to consolidate wallets, correct?
 424 2011-04-05 03:16:16 <luke-jr> SoobNauce: you need to re-copy wallet.dat every so often
 425 2011-04-05 03:16:39 <luke-jr> SoobNauce: and if you've spent money from both PCs, you're pretty much screwed
 426 2011-04-05 03:16:54 <SoobNauce> luke-jr: I have the wallet.dat, does that not allow me to look at the transaction?
 427 2011-04-05 03:16:57 <luke-jr> (just keep both wallet.dat for now)
 428 2011-04-05 03:17:11 <SoobNauce> s/look at/claim as mine/
 429 2011-04-05 03:17:14 <luke-jr> SoobNauce: wallet.dat grows over time
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 431 2011-04-05 03:17:45 <luke-jr> whatever you do, backup both wallet.dat
 432 2011-04-05 03:17:52 <SoobNauce> I am doing that.
 433 2011-04-05 03:18:03 <SoobNauce> "rescan the block chain for missing wallet transactions"?
 434 2011-04-05 03:18:05 <SoobNauce> I think that's what I want.
 435 2011-04-05 03:18:39 <SoobNauce> Thank you for letting me know I could run bitcoin --help
 436 2011-04-05 03:18:54 <luke-jr> np
 437 2011-04-05 03:19:06 <SoobNauce> ...does bitcoin give any external indication that it's rescanning or do I just take it on faith that it's doing something?
 438 2011-04-05 03:19:18 <luke-jr> debug.log maybe
 439 2011-04-05 03:19:20 <phantomcircuit> SoobNauce, welcome
 440 2011-04-05 03:19:26 <SoobNauce> hi phantomcircuit ;~;
 441 2011-04-05 03:19:39 <SoobNauce> I earned the last part of my first bitcoin yesterday
 442 2011-04-05 03:19:47 <SoobNauce> I subsequently lost it about 3 hours ago
 443 2011-04-05 03:20:15 <phantomcircuit> lol
 444 2011-04-05 03:20:28 <phantomcircuit> deleted your wallet.dat?
 445 2011-04-05 03:20:32 <SoobNauce> May I tell the full story?  I really want to solve this quickly so I can go to sleep :(
 446 2011-04-05 03:21:01 <SoobNauce> phantomcircuit: no, I managed to save wallet.dat, it's the bitcoin executable on my netbook that died and I don't know how to get the transaction onto my normal laptop now that I've transplanted the netbook's wallet.dat here
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 449 2011-04-05 03:23:15 <gjs278> well first you have to send me your wallet.dat... then I can combine them
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 451 2011-04-05 03:23:45 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, :|
 452 2011-04-05 03:23:55 <phantomcircuit> SoobNauce, the wallet contains the private keys
 453 2011-04-05 03:24:00 <gjs278> I'll do anything for the nickel he got from that well
 454 2011-04-05 03:24:06 <SoobNauce> phantomcircuit: I'm aware of that.
 455 2011-04-05 03:24:23 <phantomcircuit> SoobNauce, afaik there is no way to merge wallet.dat's
 456 2011-04-05 03:24:26 <SoobNauce> phantomcircuit: the problem is it doesn't contain the transaction I want.  The transaction lies exactly 20 blocks in the past.
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 458 2011-04-05 03:24:40 <SoobNauce> or, 21, I may not remember the number correctly
 459 2011-04-05 03:24:44 <ArtForz> backup wallet, -rescan
 460 2011-04-05 03:24:44 <SoobNauce> "20 confirmations"
 461 2011-04-05 03:25:01 <SoobNauce> ArtForz: but see I'm running bitcoin off of the backed-up wallet ;~;
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 463 2011-04-05 03:25:06 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, wait the wallet contains transactions?
 464 2011-04-05 03:25:08 <phantomcircuit> lol
 465 2011-04-05 03:25:09 <SoobNauce> also, is it -rescan or --rescan under windows?
 466 2011-04-05 03:25:09 <gjs278> copy it again
 467 2011-04-05 03:25:11 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: yes
 468 2011-04-05 03:25:16 <ArtForz> yes
 469 2011-04-05 03:25:17 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, why?
 470 2011-04-05 03:25:32 <ArtForz> wallet contains trasnactions to/from it from blocks "in the past"
 471 2011-04-05 03:25:45 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: if block chain reorg, gotta resend
 472 2011-04-05 03:25:46 <SoobNauce> ohp
 473 2011-04-05 03:25:51 <SoobNauce> now it lives 21 blocks or so in the past
 474 2011-04-05 03:25:52 <ArtForz> so it doesnt have to check the whole chain on every startup
 475 2011-04-05 03:25:59 <gjs278> so it's like a cache
 476 2011-04-05 03:26:11 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: also makes for a useful transaction history
 477 2011-04-05 03:26:13 <SoobNauce> ok here we go
 478 2011-04-05 03:26:17 <SoobNauce> Block 116754
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 480 2011-04-05 03:26:39 <ArtForz> yep
 481 2011-04-05 03:26:41 <ArtForz> so basically if you combine a wallet that last saw block X with a blkindex that last saw block Y, you get problems
 482 2011-04-05 03:26:41 <gjs278> so if I only use ONE address, and I have my original wallet.dat from day one, would I be able to retrieve everything again if I loaded it up today
 483 2011-04-05 03:26:51 <luke-jr> gjs278: you don't only use one address.
 484 2011-04-05 03:27:01 <luke-jr> gjs278: that's virtually impossible to do
 485 2011-04-05 03:27:16 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, oh hadn't thought about block re organization
 486 2011-04-05 03:27:18 <SoobNauce> Transaction, from 1EqB52... (my desktop) to 1J19L... (my netbook)
 487 2011-04-05 03:27:18 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: as I assume you know, even if a TX makes it into the block chain, a stronger block chain may overtake it.  TX's go back to zero confirmations, if they were in the weaker chain
 488 2011-04-05 03:27:23 <gjs278> fine, forget the address part
 489 2011-04-05 03:27:31 <gjs278> would my original wallet.dat be able to retrieve everything
 490 2011-04-05 03:27:33 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: client cannot and should not lose TX's for that case
 491 2011-04-05 03:27:36 <ArtForz> you use up one address of the 100-address pool on every send
 492 2011-04-05 03:27:39 <ArtForz> but yes, that works
 493 2011-04-05 03:27:56 <SoobNauce> ArtForz: You get it back in a fraction of a second though
 494 2011-04-05 03:27:58 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: got spesmilo yet? XD
 495 2011-04-05 03:28:09 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: there has been at least one major block chain reorg (>100 blocks, IIRC) in bitcoin's history
 496 2011-04-05 03:28:24 <TheKid> jgarzik: how'd that happen?
 497 2011-04-05 03:28:26 <gjs278> luke-jr how do I see all of my addresses on bitcoind
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 499 2011-04-05 03:28:37 <SoobNauce> guys I can see the transaction right now how do I tell bitcoin which block to go to in order to find it ;~;
 500 2011-04-05 03:28:38 <luke-jr> gjs278: you don't.
 501 2011-04-05 03:28:38 <jgarzik> TheKid: buggy TX for 4 billion BTC
 502 2011-04-05 03:28:43 <gjs278> alright
 503 2011-04-05 03:29:07 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, yeah worked
 504 2011-04-05 03:29:20 <ArtForz> you can create a empty wallet, write down its address, put it in a safe somewhere, send to that address from other wallets, pull that wallet on a live computer a year later and the funds are there
 505 2011-04-05 03:29:22 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, i might suggest adding a dependency on bitcoin xD
 506 2011-04-05 03:29:23 <jgarzik> thankfully, that block chain reorg was not longer than coin maturation
 507 2011-04-05 03:29:24 <SoobNauce> no joke I am losing sleep over this right now
 508 2011-04-05 03:29:31 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: it doesn't depend on a (local) bitcoind though
 509 2011-04-05 03:29:35 <gjs278> ArtForz that's what I'm saying
 510 2011-04-05 03:29:46 <gjs278> my original wallet would be able to retrieve this all then right?
 511 2011-04-05 03:29:49 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, ah trut
 512 2011-04-05 03:29:49 <SoobNauce> is there a way to tell the bitcoin client to flush every block it knows and rebuild its chain?
 513 2011-04-05 03:30:04 <jgarzik> SoobNauce: sure, delete the block databases
 514 2011-04-05 03:30:07 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, well make it so that if the connection fails it asks for user/pass/host/port
 515 2011-04-05 03:30:08 <gjs278> because I've been backing up everyday thinking that mattered lol
 516 2011-04-05 03:30:21 <SoobNauce> jgarzik: Rebuilding it would take... ...hours, wouldn't it...  nevermind <_<
 517 2011-04-05 03:30:21 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: just did ☺
 518 2011-04-05 03:30:21 <ArtForz> SoobNauce: erm... it kinda does that by default already
 519 2011-04-05 03:30:31 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: the connection progress-box now has a Configure button
 520 2011-04-05 03:30:39 <ArtForz> we're just missing the special case of mismatched wallet + blkindex caches
 521 2011-04-05 03:30:43 <jgarzik> SoobNauce: shouldn't take more than an hour
 522 2011-04-05 03:30:53 <ArtForz> which isnt really too hard to fix
 523 2011-04-05 03:31:01 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, good XD
 524 2011-04-05 03:31:16 <SoobNauce> How long should it take to --rescan?
 525 2011-04-05 03:31:28 <ArtForz> a few seconds usually
 526 2011-04-05 03:31:30 <SoobNauce> and am I just supposed to take it on faith that it's actually scanning?
 527 2011-04-05 03:31:39 <jgarzik> yeah, --rescan is fast, if you have all the blocks downloaded
 528 2011-04-05 03:31:40 <SoobNauce> ok so to delete the cache I...
 529 2011-04-05 03:31:42 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: any suggestions?
 530 2011-04-05 03:31:49 <ArtForz> well, iirc once it started it already finished the rescan
 531 2011-04-05 03:31:55 <jgarzik> initial block download + index is what takes time.
 532 2011-04-05 03:32:05 <SoobNauce> is --rescan different from -rescan?
 533 2011-04-05 03:32:07 <nanotube> isn't it -rescan, rather than --rescan?
 534 2011-04-05 03:32:09 <ArtForz> yep
 535 2011-04-05 03:32:17 <ArtForz> it is -rescan
 536 2011-04-05 03:32:18 <SoobNauce> goddommot
 537 2011-04-05 03:32:23 <SoobNauce> someone told me 2 dashes
 538 2011-04-05 03:32:28 <ArtForz> bitcoin always uses single - args
 539 2011-04-05 03:32:28 <SoobNauce> *not amused face*
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 541 2011-04-05 03:32:33 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, that was all, although including other info would be useful
 542 2011-04-05 03:32:40 <nanotube> SoobNauce: when you run -rescan, you'll see some disk activity for a minute or two.
 543 2011-04-05 03:32:42 <luke-jr> ?
 544 2011-04-05 03:32:44 <SoobNauce> bitcoin --help works but I'm sure bitcoin --unrecognizedcommand would also work
 545 2011-04-05 03:32:45 <SoobNauce> oh ffs
 546 2011-04-05 03:32:50 <SoobNauce> thank you so much #bitcoin-dev
 547 2011-04-05 03:32:55 <SoobNauce> I see my transaction now
 548 2011-04-05 03:32:57 <luke-jr> SoobNauce: nope, --unrecognizedcommand would be ignored
 549 2011-04-05 03:33:08 <SoobNauce> huh.
 550 2011-04-05 03:33:10 <SoobNauce> so it would.
 551 2011-04-05 03:33:19 <SoobNauce> So then why does "bitcoin --help" work?
 552 2011-04-05 03:34:06 <SoobNauce> hm, you don't need to answer that question ;~;
 553 2011-04-05 03:34:14 <SoobNauce> thank you very much for helping me with this though
 554 2011-04-05 03:34:28 * SoobNauce attempts to juggle wallets to get the laptop wallet back on the laptop before going to bed
 555 2011-04-05 03:35:31 <nanotube> SoobNauce: yw, have fun. :)
 556 2011-04-05 03:35:31 agricocb1 has joined
 557 2011-04-05 03:35:34 <nanotube> don't lose any bitcoins
 558 2011-04-05 03:35:41 <SoobNauce> ?
 559 2011-04-05 03:35:41 <nanotube> (and also... no idea why --help works...)
 560 2011-04-05 03:35:49 <nanotube> SoobNauce: heh just saying. ;)
 561 2011-04-05 03:36:00 <nanotube> you said you were losing sleep
 562 2011-04-05 03:36:06 <nanotube> so i was playing on that
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 565 2011-04-05 03:36:48 <SoobNauce> is "--help" completely nonstandard or are there programs what do that?
 566 2011-04-05 03:36:58 <gjs278> every program uses --help
 567 2011-04-05 03:36:59 <gjs278> or -help
 568 2011-04-05 03:37:02 <gjs278> or --WHATEVER
 569 2011-04-05 03:37:04 <SoobNauce> gjs: both?
 570 2011-04-05 03:37:10 <gjs278> just mash away and find out
 571 2011-04-05 03:37:18 <SoobNauce> Helpful.
 572 2011-04-05 03:37:34 <nanotube> --help is usually standard. in linux world, most arguments are two dashes.
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 574 2011-04-05 03:37:40 <SoobNauce> oh herp
 575 2011-04-05 03:37:42 <SoobNauce> thank you :(
 576 2011-04-05 03:37:44 <gjs278> well
 577 2011-04-05 03:37:44 <nanotube> which is probably why people keep saying --rescan instead of -rescan :)
 578 2011-04-05 03:37:51 <EvanR> Keefe: are you currently selling mtgox $
 579 2011-04-05 03:37:56 <gjs278> -- is standard for the full command
 580 2011-04-05 03:37:57 <gjs278> like --help
 581 2011-04-05 03:38:00 <gjs278> but if it was just -h
 582 2011-04-05 03:38:04 <gjs278> like h to alias help
 583 2011-04-05 03:38:04 <nanotube> right, -- is std for the long-style arg
 584 2011-04-05 03:38:07 <gjs278> it would be one dash
 585 2011-04-05 03:38:10 <nanotube> and one - is std for one letter
 586 2011-04-05 03:38:13 <gjs278> yeah
 587 2011-04-05 03:38:16 <gjs278> I hate stds
 588 2011-04-05 03:38:17 <luke-jr> Spesmilo uses standard command line arg format ;)
 589 2011-04-05 03:38:19 <nanotube> hehe
 590 2011-04-05 03:38:24 <nanotube> luke-jr: ++
 591 2011-04-05 03:38:32 <luke-jr> except if it's -icon
 592 2011-04-05 03:38:48 <luke-jr> because KDE idiots have this gaping bug where it sends -icon instead of --icon like the FDO spec says
 593 2011-04-05 03:38:49 <luke-jr> -.-
 594 2011-04-05 03:38:50 <SoobNauce> so then it should be --rescan and -r or something like that?
 595 2011-04-05 03:39:00 <gjs278> shoot for the full name
 596 2011-04-05 03:39:02 <nanotube> SoobNauce: right. usually it would be.
 597 2011-04-05 03:39:07 <gjs278> unless you know for a fact -r is really rescan
 598 2011-04-05 03:39:07 <luke-jr> IMO, rescan doesn't need a short version
 599 2011-04-05 03:39:09 <gjs278> it could also be
 600 2011-04-05 03:39:11 <gjs278> remove
 601 2011-04-05 03:39:13 <ArtForz> bitcoin also does, it's special standard is "everything starts with one -, there are no short args" ;)
 602 2011-04-05 03:39:17 <gjs278> or RE-EXPLODE YOUR COMPUTER
 603 2011-04-05 03:39:23 <gjs278> you never know what -r could mean
 604 2011-04-05 03:39:30 <luke-jr> I can't wait until bitcoind has a viable replacement
 605 2011-04-05 03:39:33 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: ^
 606 2011-04-05 03:39:54 <luke-jr> actually, mtve ^ ☺
 607 2011-04-05 03:40:02 <luke-jr> maybe I should help out in that area…
 608 2011-04-05 03:40:05 <gjs278> bitcoind owns it just doesn't list every command for some reason
 609 2011-04-05 03:40:51 <gjs278> like how is anyone supposed to figure out bitcoind listreceivedbyaddress is a command
 610 2011-04-05 03:40:52 <ArtForz> well, it mostly doesnt list debug stuff
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 612 2011-04-05 03:41:27 <luke-jr> bitcoind help ?
 613 2011-04-05 03:41:28 <SoobNauce> one last question.  Does bitcoin only force generation of a new address when it senda transaction that needs change, or when it will receive change from a transaction, or...  what?
 614 2011-04-05 03:41:39 <luke-jr> gjs278: also, it isn't a command, it's a JSON-RPC call.
 615 2011-04-05 03:41:48 <luke-jr> gjs278: it isn't meant for humans, it's meant for software
 616 2011-04-05 03:41:49 <gjs278> let me see if bitcoind help is even in there
 617 2011-04-05 03:41:54 <gjs278> I use it all of the time
 618 2011-04-05 03:41:57 <gjs278> I'm also a bot
 619 2011-04-05 03:41:59 <CIA-96> bitcoin: phantomcircuit connector * r9e769357131b bitcoin-alt/bitcoin/storage.py: Revert "Moving away from sqlalchemy... too much magic" http://tinyurl.com/6khucwd
 620 2011-04-05 03:42:00 <CIA-96> bitcoin: phantomcircuit * r7eb8d4e14a6d bitcoin-alt/ (5 files in 3 dirs): storage locking http://tinyurl.com/4ycw593
 621 2011-04-05 03:42:01 <CIA-96> bitcoin: phantomcircuit connector * rf11a4893181d bitcoin-alt/.gitignore: Merge branch 'connector' of github.com:phantomcircuit/bitcoin-alt into connector http://tinyurl.com/3o3eoff
 622 2011-04-05 03:42:08 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, write me a transaction script interpreter
 623 2011-04-05 03:42:12 <ArtForz> for example I dont think -printpriority is documented, and for good reason
 624 2011-04-05 03:42:14 <gjs278> hmm okay it is
 625 2011-04-05 03:42:23 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: I'm more inclined to help mtve since his is Perl :P
 626 2011-04-05 03:42:25 <gjs278> I always figured --help was it
 627 2011-04-05 03:42:38 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, psh
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 629 2011-04-05 03:43:38 * luke-jr wonders whether an interpretor or a recompiler would be faster
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 635 2011-04-05 03:48:57 <retinal> ;;bc,stats
 636 2011-04-05 03:48:59 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116778 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 149 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 19 hours, 39 minutes, and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 80974.76923076
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 640 2011-04-05 03:52:54 <luke-jr> hmm, bitcoin-pl seems to actually work
 641 2011-04-05 03:53:02 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, link?
 642 2011-04-05 03:53:04 <luke-jr> maybe I just need to throw JSON-RPC on it
 643 2011-04-05 03:53:21 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/w/bitcoin-pl.git
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 645 2011-04-05 03:53:34 <luke-jr> https://gitorious.org/bitcoin/bitcoin-pl
 646 2011-04-05 03:53:47 <luke-jr> still downloading blocks tho
 647 2011-04-05 03:54:53 <luke-jr> Blocks: 63448, Transactions: 71259, Your addresses: 1
 648 2011-04-05 03:55:30 <jgarzik> luke-jr: the acid test is proper wallet handling through chain reorg.  I don't think anybody except mainline gets that right, and that is critical for production users.
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 650 2011-04-05 03:55:48 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, looks like that data store is missing things, like the order of transaction input/outputs
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 652 2011-04-05 03:57:31 <luke-jr> jgarzik: hmm, wonder how difficult it would be to write a fake node that simulates one
 653 2011-04-05 03:57:47 <jgarzik> luke-jr: pretty easy to do, with testnet-in-a-box
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 657 2011-04-05 03:59:37 <u2time> anybody else loose funds in liberty reserve over the weekend?
 658 2011-04-05 04:00:11 <u2time> I mean lose funds
 659 2011-04-05 04:00:13 <dirtyfilthy> what happened?
 660 2011-04-05 04:00:13 <nanotube> u2time: you mean your balance went down while lr was out?
 661 2011-04-05 04:00:19 <u2time> yep
 662 2011-04-05 04:00:27 <nanotube> mmm wow... what does your tx history show?
 663 2011-04-05 04:00:30 <nanotube> any outgoing?
 664 2011-04-05 04:00:30 <u2time> transfer from mtgox never showed up
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 666 2011-04-05 04:00:42 <nanotube> ah interesting
 667 2011-04-05 04:00:49 <nanotube> you could contact mtgox about it, i guess.
 668 2011-04-05 04:00:50 <u2time> no, just looks like they roled back before I got the trans
 669 2011-04-05 04:00:55 <u2time> rolled
 670 2011-04-05 04:01:06 <u2time> I think they lost everything and rolled it back a day or so
 671 2011-04-05 04:01:07 <phantomcircuit> also
 672 2011-04-05 04:01:09 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, 'PRAGMA synchronous = OFF'
 673 2011-04-05 04:01:15 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, that's cheating ;)
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 675 2011-04-05 04:01:38 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: does it break things?
 676 2011-04-05 04:01:59 <ArtForz> looks fine here, but I did no trasnactions in the last few days
 677 2011-04-05 04:02:22 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, if the power dies it could result in half transactions
 678 2011-04-05 04:02:32 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, and potentially a corrupt database iirc
 679 2011-04-05 04:02:35 <u2time> wow, only safe place for money is in bitcoins i guess
 680 2011-04-05 04:04:15 <Keefe> EvanR: yes i am
 681 2011-04-05 04:04:51 <Keefe> EvanR: join -otc
 682 2011-04-05 04:05:20 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, so basically it's much faster, but the odds that the entire database (which appears to include the wallet!!) is corrupt
 683 2011-04-05 04:05:25 <phantomcircuit> are much higher
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 688 2011-04-05 04:08:38 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, also it just prints a message on my system and dies
 689 2011-04-05 04:08:54 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: did you install DBD::SQLite?
 690 2011-04-05 04:09:22 <phantomcircuit> nope
 691 2011-04-05 04:09:30 <phantomcircuit> didn't get a meaningful error though :P
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 695 2011-04-05 04:10:38 <lolurfaec> Hi everyone =)
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 697 2011-04-05 04:14:53 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, ok well that helped but it's still exiting pretty fast
 698 2011-04-05 04:17:06 <phantomcircuit> oh it assumes a local node
 699 2011-04-05 04:17:11 <phantomcircuit> no real bootstrap
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 701 2011-04-05 04:18:09 <luke-jr> right, it's a Wallet
 702 2011-04-05 04:18:59 <phantomcircuit> looks like it's more than that
 703 2011-04-05 04:19:17 <luke-jr> ?
 704 2011-04-05 04:19:23 <luke-jr> hope not :P
 705 2011-04-05 04:19:38 <phantomcircuit> bah i cant tell
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 707 2011-04-05 04:23:11 <lolurfaec> Could someone explain to me why bitcoins are going up or down on a comparison to another currency eg. USD?
 708 2011-04-05 04:23:42 <nanotube> lolurfaec: supply and demand. just like the price of anything else.
 709 2011-04-05 04:24:12 <lolurfaec> So I could possibly be losing money if I change cash to bitcoins right now?
 710 2011-04-05 04:24:24 <lolurfaec> As in later BTC could  go down?
 711 2011-04-05 04:24:34 <nanotube> yes, you could lose, you could gain - can't predict the future.
 712 2011-04-05 04:24:40 <nanotube> just like buying anything else :)
 713 2011-04-05 04:24:52 <lolurfaec> Okay.
 714 2011-04-05 04:24:59 <lolurfaec> How long does it usually take to get one BTC?
 715 2011-04-05 04:25:27 <nanotube> depends on method you use to get it.
 716 2011-04-05 04:25:43 <nanotube> e.g. you could probably buy one right now for paypal on OTC if you offer the right price. :)
 717 2011-04-05 04:25:46 <lolurfaec> By CPU processing xD
 718 2011-04-05 04:25:57 <nanotube> ah
 719 2011-04-05 04:26:00 <nanotube> depends on your hash rate
 720 2011-04-05 04:26:04 <lolurfaec> hash rate?
 721 2011-04-05 04:26:16 <nanotube> how many hashes your cpu can do per unit of time.
 722 2011-04-05 04:26:18 <ArtForz> probably about ... way too long
 723 2011-04-05 04:26:36 <nanotube> ArtForz: well, one btc with pooled mining... depending on cpu can happen relatively fast. :)
 724 2011-04-05 04:26:42 <nanotube> relatively
 725 2011-04-05 04:26:53 <lolurfaec> I have one core with 1.2GHZ I think xD
 726 2011-04-05 04:26:58 <gjs278> dear god
 727 2011-04-05 04:27:05 <lolurfaec> ^I know right =.=
 728 2011-04-05 04:27:15 <nanotube> so... you'll probably have about 500khps
 729 2011-04-05 04:27:18 <nanotube> ;;bc,gen 500
 730 2011-04-05 04:27:19 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 500 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 0.00729084176871 BTC per day and 0.000303785073696 BTC per hour.
 731 2011-04-05 04:27:24 <lolurfaec> ...
 732 2011-04-05 04:27:32 <nanotube> ;;calc 1/.00729
 733 2011-04-05 04:27:32 <gribble> 1 / .00729 = 137.174211
 734 2011-04-05 04:27:34 <lolurfaec> what's khps?
 735 2011-04-05 04:27:38 <nanotube> about 137 days
 736 2011-04-05 04:27:41 <nanotube> kilo hash per second
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 738 2011-04-05 04:27:43 <gjs278> a way of measureing your speed
 739 2011-04-05 04:27:45 <lolurfaec> ^oh fucking god xD
 740 2011-04-05 04:27:55 <nanotube> (aka thousands of hashes per second)
 741 2011-04-05 04:27:55 <lolurfaec> so I should like, give up right? xD
 742 2011-04-05 04:28:11 <lolurfaec> Then what's difficulty?
 743 2011-04-05 04:28:12 <nanotube> yes, if you want coin, either throw some better hardware at it, or buy it, or earn it.
 744 2011-04-05 04:28:21 <lolurfaec> okay.
 745 2011-04-05 04:28:27 <nanotube> difficulty is a measure of how many hashes on average it takes to generate a block.
 746 2011-04-05 04:28:43 <lolurfaec> and a block is a set of data?
 747 2011-04-05 04:29:17 <nanotube> yes, a block is kind of like a 'record' of some bitcoin transactions, that currently gives you 50btc bounty
 748 2011-04-05 04:29:26 <nanotube> consider reading the wiki
 749 2011-04-05 04:29:31 <gjs278> don't listen to the nerds
 750 2011-04-05 04:29:44 <lolurfaec> lol, I just started reading it.
 751 2011-04-05 04:29:46 <nanotube> see ,,(bc,wiki introduction) ,,(bc,wiki how bitcoin works) and go from there.
 752 2011-04-05 04:29:46 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Introduction | Mar 30, 2011 ... Introduction. From Bitcoin. Jump to: navigation, search. Alice is far away from Bob and wants to buy his Alpaca socks. ...
 753 2011-04-05 04:29:47 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/How_bitcoin_works | Mar 2, 2011 ... The block chain which is constantly being generated by the Bitcoin network works as a common agreement about the order in which bitcoin ...
 754 2011-04-05 04:29:52 <lolurfaec> cool, thanks
 755 2011-04-05 04:29:58 <nanotube> np, have fun. :)
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 757 2011-04-05 04:31:46 <lolurfaec> nanotube: how do you know how many hashes it can generate within a set time period?
 758 2011-04-05 04:32:08 <lolurfaec> the processor*
 759 2011-04-05 04:32:16 <nanotube> it basically depends on your cpu power. a hash takes a certain number of instructions to create
 760 2011-04-05 04:32:24 <nanotube> and your cpu can do a certain number of instructions per second
 761 2011-04-05 04:32:32 <nanotube> so divide one by the other... and you have how many hashes you can make per second
 762 2011-04-05 04:33:59 <lolurfaec> okay, so lets say I had a 4 core processor on 1 GHZ each, how would you set up the equation?
 763 2011-04-05 04:34:10 <luke-jr> does such a CPU exist? O.o
 764 2011-04-05 04:34:15 <lolurfaec> probs not.
 765 2011-04-05 04:34:19 <lolurfaec> i7?
 766 2011-04-05 04:34:22 <gjs278> no
 767 2011-04-05 04:34:25 <gjs278> i7's dont go that low
 768 2011-04-05 04:34:29 <gjs278> also i7's are 8 cores
 769 2011-04-05 04:34:33 <gjs278> well
 770 2011-04-05 04:34:34 <gjs278> 4 cores
 771 2011-04-05 04:34:34 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: that's on the low side, not high
 772 2011-04-05 04:34:36 <gjs278> 8 threads
 773 2011-04-05 04:34:39 <lolurfaec> i5s? underclocked? xD
 774 2011-04-05 04:34:50 <gjs278> sure
 775 2011-04-05 04:34:55 <luke-jr> slowest i5 is just 2.x GHz
 776 2011-04-05 04:34:59 <lolurfaec> kay.
 777 2011-04-05 04:35:01 <gjs278> lower your multiplier
 778 2011-04-05 04:35:03 <luke-jr> mine is 3 GHz
 779 2011-04-05 04:35:12 <lolurfaec> anyways, doesn't matter. I'm just wondering how the equation would be set up.
 780 2011-04-05 04:35:20 <luke-jr> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
 781 2011-04-05 04:35:23 <gjs278> you would have to run the program to find out
 782 2011-04-05 04:35:28 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: easiest just to see the real-world numbers
 783 2011-04-05 04:35:30 <gjs278> and it will tell you
 784 2011-04-05 04:35:53 <lolurfaec> I've ran the proggie for half an hour, it's at 0.00 probably cuz I'm using the comp xD
 785 2011-04-05 04:36:11 <nanotube> are you possibly still downloading the block chain?
 786 2011-04-05 04:36:12 <lolurfaec> Wait, you can use your videocard to run this program?
 787 2011-04-05 04:36:17 <lolurfaec> nanotube: I don't know xD
 788 2011-04-05 04:36:20 <lolurfaec> How do you find out?
 789 2011-04-05 04:36:29 <nanotube> how many blocks do you see shown in lower right corner of the gui?
 790 2011-04-05 04:36:39 <gjs278> no, he's asking why he has 0 coins
 791 2011-04-05 04:36:46 <lolurfaec> 54500
 792 2011-04-05 04:36:53 <lolurfaec> 547000
 793 2011-04-05 04:37:05 <lolurfaec> 54700**
 794 2011-04-05 04:37:13 <nanotube> ah you're still dling blocks
 795 2011-04-05 04:37:16 <nanotube> ;;bc,blocks
 796 2011-04-05 04:37:16 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: you'll never get any coins mining with the client from bitcoin.org
 797 2011-04-05 04:37:17 <gribble> 116788
 798 2011-04-05 04:37:33 <nanotube> there are just under 117 k blocks now
 799 2011-04-05 04:37:41 <nanotube> you don't start generating until you have all the blocks
 800 2011-04-05 04:37:54 <lolurfaec> What do they blocks do - what use do they have in the world?
 801 2011-04-05 04:37:58 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: if you want to mine, you need GPGPU stuff, and a good Radeon
 802 2011-04-05 04:38:03 <lolurfaec> and why do I have to download all the blocks?
 803 2011-04-05 04:38:11 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: blocks are bitcoin, more or less
 804 2011-04-05 04:38:17 <luke-jr> the program just interprets them
 805 2011-04-05 04:38:24 <nanotube> lolurfaec: read the wiki. :)
 806 2011-04-05 04:38:30 <lolurfaec> I'm confused now xD
 807 2011-04-05 04:38:48 <gjs278> lolurfaec genning on the main client will always keep you at 0.00
 808 2011-04-05 04:38:51 <gjs278> like I'm not kidding
 809 2011-04-05 04:38:57 <gjs278> you will not get even .00001 of a coin
 810 2011-04-05 04:39:09 <lolurfaec> aww seriously. D:
 811 2011-04-05 04:39:11 <gjs278> yes
 812 2011-04-05 04:39:14 <gjs278> you have to join a pool
 813 2011-04-05 04:39:17 <lolurfaec> then isn't the other way to just buy BTC?
 814 2011-04-05 04:39:23 <lolurfaec> Wait Pool?
 815 2011-04-05 04:39:29 <lolurfaec> What's a pool?
 816 2011-04-05 04:39:30 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: or do some work for it
 817 2011-04-05 04:39:37 <gjs278> you can only mine blocks in sections of 50 coins
 818 2011-04-05 04:39:46 <gjs278> so what a pool is is everyone agrees to help gen a 50 block
 819 2011-04-05 04:39:47 <lolurfaec> luke-jr: like buying it right?
 820 2011-04-05 04:39:48 <gjs278> and they split it
 821 2011-04-05 04:39:52 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: a pool lets you get smaller coins, but you pay more for electricity than you get still
 822 2011-04-05 04:39:53 * kiba rattle off his sleep deprivation
 823 2011-04-05 04:39:55 <lolurfaec> gjs278: oh, how would you do that?
 824 2011-04-05 04:40:01 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: buy, or earn
 825 2011-04-05 04:40:03 <gjs278> http://deepbit.net
 826 2011-04-05 04:40:11 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: like any other money
 827 2011-04-05 04:40:12 <gjs278> http://mining.bitcoin.cz
 828 2011-04-05 04:40:27 <gjs278> you join them, setup your client, and you help out... but you still won't get hardly anything
 829 2011-04-05 04:40:29 <lolurfaec> ahh I see
 830 2011-04-05 04:40:34 <lolurfaec> hardly? D:
 831 2011-04-05 04:40:39 <lolurfaec> Why's that?
 832 2011-04-05 04:40:41 <gjs278> well
 833 2011-04-05 04:40:48 <gjs278> your processor is too slow
 834 2011-04-05 04:40:50 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: because everyone else has video cards
 835 2011-04-05 04:41:09 <luke-jr> and a good video card is worth like 60 CPUs
 836 2011-04-05 04:41:12 <lolurfaec> So they run the program on video cards instead of CPUs?
 837 2011-04-05 04:41:15 <gjs278> yes
 838 2011-04-05 04:41:18 <gjs278> everyone does
 839 2011-04-05 04:41:23 <gjs278> people on cpus gave up a long time ago
 840 2011-04-05 04:41:24 <lolurfaec> Is it built in the program?
 841 2011-04-05 04:41:28 <luke-jr> no
 842 2011-04-05 04:41:30 <gjs278> graphics card is not
 843 2011-04-05 04:41:33 <lolurfaec> no
 844 2011-04-05 04:41:35 <gjs278> you have to use a program called poclbm
 845 2011-04-05 04:41:39 <lolurfaec> the utilisation of the GPU
 846 2011-04-05 04:41:47 <gjs278> no gpu on main client
 847 2011-04-05 04:41:49 <gjs278> have to use external
 848 2011-04-05 04:42:03 <phantomcircuit> it should be noted that i get random crashes from the altest git build
 849 2011-04-05 04:42:03 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: unless you have a good Radeon, you're still better off buying or earning
 850 2011-04-05 04:42:22 <lolurfaec> luke-jr: How's the Nvidia 8500GT going to do?
 851 2011-04-05 04:42:26 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: crap
 852 2011-04-05 04:42:32 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: anything nvidia is crap
 853 2011-04-05 04:42:39 <lolurfaec> Lemmie read the wiki on why xD
 854 2011-04-05 04:42:50 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: my CPU can do better than 8500GT
 855 2011-04-05 04:42:55 <lolurfaec> LOL
 856 2011-04-05 04:42:58 <lolurfaec> Why's that?
 857 2011-04-05 04:42:59 <gjs278> I can pull in 24mh on my cpu
 858 2011-04-05 04:43:10 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: 8500GT is a low-end nvidia, and my CPU is high-end
 859 2011-04-05 04:43:14 <luke-jr> relatively high-end anyhow
 860 2011-04-05 04:43:18 <luke-jr> I guess mid-range
 861 2011-04-05 04:43:25 <lolurfaec> oh.
 862 2011-04-05 04:43:31 <luke-jr> 8500GT would do about 4 MH/s
 863 2011-04-05 04:43:37 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 4000
 864 2011-04-05 04:43:39 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 4000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 2 years, 18 weeks, 1 day, 5 hours, 45 minutes, and 21 seconds
 865 2011-04-05 04:43:43 <lolurfaec> D:
 866 2011-04-05 04:43:47 <lolurfaec> That'd do slower than my CPU
 867 2011-04-05 04:43:52 <luke-jr> my CPU does ,,bc,calc 14000
 868 2011-04-05 04:43:52 <gribble> (bc,calc <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo The average time to generate a block at $1 Khps, given current difficulty of [bc,diff], is [time elapsed [math calc 1/((2**224-1)/[bc,diff]*$1*1000/2**256)]]".
 869 2011-04-05 04:43:57 <luke-jr> my CPU does ,,(bc,calc 14000)
 870 2011-04-05 04:43:58 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 14000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 34 weeks, 6 days, 22 hours, 12 minutes, and 57 seconds
 871 2011-04-05 04:44:05 <gjs278> haha
 872 2011-04-05 04:44:12 <lolurfaec> LOL
 873 2011-04-05 04:44:29 <luke-jr> my Radeon does ,,(bc,calc 265000)
 874 2011-04-05 04:44:30 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 265000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 1 week, 5 days, 22 hours, 32 minutes, and 50 seconds
 875 2011-04-05 04:44:47 <lolurfaec> So the only way you'd get a massive amount of BTC would be by having an epic server/comp?
 876 2011-04-05 04:45:08 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: no, the only way you'd get a massive amount would be to custom-build ASICs just for mining
 877 2011-04-05 04:45:11 <luke-jr> like ArtForz does
 878 2011-04-05 04:45:15 <lolurfaec> ASIC?
 879 2011-04-05 04:45:38 <luke-jr> basically a box that does mining in hardware
 880 2011-04-05 04:45:43 <luke-jr> and nothing else
 881 2011-04-05 04:45:46 <lolurfaec> Wow.
 882 2011-04-05 04:45:50 DrQ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 883 2011-04-05 04:46:01 <lolurfaec> BTC's ARE hard to get.
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 885 2011-04-05 04:46:18 <luke-jr> not really
 886 2011-04-05 04:46:29 <luke-jr> just get a job that pays in BTC
 887 2011-04-05 04:46:36 <Blitzboom> yeah, you can easily get them by offering goods and services
 888 2011-04-05 04:46:36 <lolurfaec> What if you combined the processing power on both your GPU and CPU?
 889 2011-04-05 04:46:38 <luke-jr> or exchange some other currency for it
 890 2011-04-05 04:46:54 <lolurfaec> So job, actual money, or processing power - lots of it.
 891 2011-04-05 04:47:05 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 279000
 892 2011-04-05 04:47:05 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 279000 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 1 week, 5 days, 6 hours, 57 minutes, and 51 seconds
 893 2011-04-05 04:47:13 <nanotube> lolurfaec: well, just as dollars are hard to get. :) bitcoin wouldn't be that good of a unit of exchange, if anyone could easily get gobs of them
 894 2011-04-05 04:48:02 <lolurfaec> nanotube: true. is there a program that tells you the amount of hashes it can create?
 895 2011-04-05 04:48:20 <nanotube> every miner tells you its hash rate, generally.
 896 2011-04-05 04:48:26 <gjs278> the main client will tell you when you finally start
 897 2011-04-05 04:48:34 <nanotube> right
 898 2011-04-05 04:48:49 <lolurfaec> Wait, you can mine with not only the original client - but also OTHERS?
 899 2011-04-05 04:48:52 <phantomcircuit> wait
 900 2011-04-05 04:48:57 <luke-jr> oh, and my pocket computer gets ,,(bc,calc 200)
 901 2011-04-05 04:48:57 <phantomcircuit> rofl i just realized something
 902 2011-04-05 04:48:58 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 200 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 46 years, 50 weeks, 4 days, 19 hours, 7 minutes, and 16 seconds
 903 2011-04-05 04:49:08 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: the original client can't mine for crap
 904 2011-04-05 04:49:08 <lolurfaec> ^LOL
 905 2011-04-05 04:49:09 <phantomcircuit> you can keep miners from mining by sending them blocks that are un connectable
 906 2011-04-05 04:49:23 <phantomcircuit> they'll think it's pointless because they dont have the heighest block
 907 2011-04-05 04:49:35 <lolurfaec> luke-jr: so why are they offering the original miner to mine then?
 908 2011-04-05 04:49:58 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: back when there were 10 people mining, and nobody figured out how to use video cards, it worked well
 909 2011-04-05 04:50:05 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: it will probably be removed soon
 910 2011-04-05 04:50:31 <lolurfaec> So now it's all either high end CPUs or Epic GPUs?
 911 2011-04-05 04:50:38 <luke-jr> erm, not really
 912 2011-04-05 04:50:46 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,stats
 913 2011-04-05 04:50:47 <luke-jr> even high-end CPUs cost more electricity than they earn in bitcoin
 914 2011-04-05 04:50:48 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116789 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 138 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 18 hours, 7 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 81135.38792859
 915 2011-04-05 04:50:56 <luke-jr> really just high-end Radeons now
 916 2011-04-05 04:50:57 <gjs278> the xeons at work cost nothing...
 917 2011-04-05 04:51:00 <lolurfaec> Then why would people generate BTCs?
 918 2011-04-05 04:51:12 <luke-jr> lolurfaec: people generally *don't* on CPUs
 919 2011-04-05 04:51:12 <Blitzboom> i don’t know. they don’t
 920 2011-04-05 04:51:13 <lolurfaec> if it costed more than electricity
 921 2011-04-05 04:51:13 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, ps looks like enablying synchronous writes makes this completely unusable
 922 2011-04-05 04:51:17 * BurtyB larfs - just got banned from bitcoinpool 
 923 2011-04-05 04:51:21 <gjs278> for what
 924 2011-04-05 04:51:27 <gjs278> did you have a stale rate too high
 925 2011-04-05 04:51:36 <BurtyB> 40% eff at a guess
 926 2011-04-05 04:51:43 <gjs278> well
 927 2011-04-05 04:51:46 <gjs278> probably wasnt from that then
 928 2011-04-05 04:51:59 <gjs278> why ban tho, they need all they can get
 929 2011-04-05 04:52:38 <BurtyB> tbh I thought I was lucky last time they went through and had a kul :)
 930 2011-04-05 04:52:40 <lolurfaec> kay. I'm going to bed now, I'll read more on these bitcoins tomorrow =)
 931 2011-04-05 04:52:46 <lolurfaec> thanks guys.
 932 2011-04-05 04:53:04 <Blitzboom> see you
 933 2011-04-05 04:53:04 <luke-jr> ;;bc,blocks
 934 2011-04-05 04:53:05 <gribble> 116789
 935 2011-04-05 04:53:15 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: bitcoin-pl is almost caught up
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 937 2011-04-05 04:54:25 <gjs278> so anyways, on poclbm, is it pretty much accepted that it's going to use a single core 100% for my processor? or is there some option I'm missing
 938 2011-04-05 04:54:45 <gjs278> I'll do any driver or stream version you tell me and they all seem to do it
 939 2011-04-05 04:55:02 <JFK911> havent figured out how to fix this
 940 2011-04-05 04:55:03 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, most of the time i've spent on bitcoin-alt was on getting the performance to be reasonable with synchronous on
 941 2011-04-05 04:55:03 <gjs278> unless I missed the super combo for 5870's
 942 2011-04-05 04:55:24 <[Tycho]> poclbm always uses 0% of my CPU...
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 944 2011-04-05 04:55:36 <JFK911> [Tycho]: really?  Windows?
 945 2011-04-05 04:55:39 <[Tycho]> Yes.
 946 2011-04-05 04:55:42 <gjs278> sp3 fixed my windows issue btw
 947 2011-04-05 04:55:57 <gjs278> I should have checked the core usage then
 948 2011-04-05 04:56:11 <JFK911> [Tycho]: can you describe your arrangement?  i have 7-x64, stream 2.2 and some 10.x version of catalyst
 949 2011-04-05 04:56:11 <luke-jr> gjs278: Stream 2.1 works with 0 CPU use
 950 2011-04-05 04:56:15 <gjs278> well
 951 2011-04-05 04:56:20 <gjs278> 2.1 doesn't even load poclbm for me
 952 2011-04-05 04:56:26 <gjs278> because it lacks opencl 1.1 or something
 953 2011-04-05 04:56:28 <JFK911> i couldn't downgrade wither
 954 2011-04-05 04:56:31 <JFK911> *either
 955 2011-04-05 04:58:12 <gjs278> the java miner uses 0% but it seemed to be about 25mhash slower
 956 2011-04-05 04:58:48 <JFK911> diablo said it worked better with stream 2.3 and cat 10.9-10.11
 957 2011-04-05 04:59:29 <gjs278> I'll have to try that out later
 958 2011-04-05 04:59:49 <[Tycho]> java miner doesn't supports long polling
 959 2011-04-05 05:00:11 <gjs278> and it also seems to... ramp up? I have no idea, but it starts so slow for awhile
 960 2011-04-05 05:00:25 <gjs278> and then like 10 minutes later hits the 300mhash point
 961 2011-04-05 05:00:43 <gjs278> I guess this core will be put to work for a bit more then
 962 2011-04-05 05:02:54 <[Tycho]> JFK911, windows XP SP3, Stream 2.2
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 964 2011-04-05 05:03:23 <robblesz> Hey Tycho, I just registered on deepbit, but poclbm-mod.exe returns "wrong login or password"
 965 2011-04-05 05:03:48 <[Tycho]> See PM.
 966 2011-04-05 05:04:51 <jgarzik> robblesz: poclbm-mod is from geebus and FairUser, right?  I would avoid that, and just use the normal miner.
 967 2011-04-05 05:06:59 <CIA-96> bitcoin: mtve * r6b9e5e636648 bitcoin-pl/pem.pm: double spend fixes http://tinyurl.com/4xknbsc
 968 2011-04-05 05:07:05 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * rdc1758aba56c bitcoin-pl/data.pm: Bugfix: spentHeight is -1 when unspent http://tinyurl.com/3q44fht
 969 2011-04-05 05:07:09 <[Tycho]> Issue resolved :)
 970 2011-04-05 05:08:21 <jgarzik> mine, python miner, mine!
 971 2011-04-05 05:09:03 <robblesz> When I run GPU crunching stuff, my redraw rate in Windows slows down quite a bit. Is there any way to alleviate that?
 972 2011-04-05 05:09:09 <[Tycho]> Yes.
 973 2011-04-05 05:09:22 <alias420> robblesz lower your settings
 974 2011-04-05 05:09:44 <alias420> -f 60 might help
 975 2011-04-05 05:09:56 <robblesz> Excellent, let me try that
 976 2011-04-05 05:10:15 * BurtyB has moved over to deepbit also unless you don't want my ~600Mh/s :)
 977 2011-04-05 05:10:35 <[Tycho]> I want your 600 MH/s :)
 978 2011-04-05 05:10:43 <robblesz> should I use vectors?
 979 2011-04-05 05:10:53 <alias420> burtyB what kind of setup are you running?
 980 2011-04-05 05:10:58 <alias420> 5970?
 981 2011-04-05 05:10:59 <[Tycho]> robblesz, shouldn't matter.
 982 2011-04-05 05:11:01 <robblesz> -f 60 helped, thanks alias
 983 2011-04-05 05:11:08 <robblesz> Okay thank you
 984 2011-04-05 05:11:17 <u2time> jgarzik, for that pushpoold  do you have any info on what sqlite3 stuff to setup?
 985 2011-04-05 05:11:20 <alias420> I believe that tries to keep your framerate at 60fps
 986 2011-04-05 05:11:29 <alias420> fiddle and see what you like
 987 2011-04-05 05:11:31 <BurtyB> alias420 a mix of cpumining (~22Mh/s) and a couple of HD5870
 988 2011-04-05 05:11:50 <jgarzik> u2time: That is left as an exercise to the reader.
 989 2011-04-05 05:11:52 <alias420> a couple 5870 and only 600?
 990 2011-04-05 05:11:53 <[Tycho]> It's not exactly the framerate of windows drawing.
 991 2011-04-05 05:11:59 <alias420> my single 5870 is pushing 400
 992 2011-04-05 05:12:00 <u2time> lol, dang
 993 2011-04-05 05:12:09 <u2time> i will read
 994 2011-04-05 05:12:12 <BurtyB> alias420 i have to slow one of them down due to heat problems atm - already toasted one :)
 995 2011-04-05 05:12:13 <[Tycho]> Single 5870 should be around 340
 996 2011-04-05 05:12:18 <alias420> are you overclocking?
 997 2011-04-05 05:12:20 <jgarzik> u2time: I'm not gonna work hard to enable potential competitors :)
 998 2011-04-05 05:12:23 <alias420> ahhh
 999 2011-04-05 05:12:27 <alias420> good reason to slow it down
1000 2011-04-05 05:12:38 <alias420> what kind of cooling are you / were you using?
1001 2011-04-05 05:12:39 <u2time> jgarzik, whats your donate hash?
1002 2011-04-05 05:12:47 <[Tycho]> BurtyB, have you increased your fan speed ?
1003 2011-04-05 05:13:07 <BurtyB> need to chop the end off the pcie in another box so I can move it over as atm they are right below each other
1004 2011-04-05 05:13:10 <jgarzik> u2time: address?  17NdbrSGoUotzeGCcMMCqnFkEvLymoou9j
1005 2011-04-05 05:13:35 <BurtyB> [Tycho] yeah, even going full it reaches 104C which i declared as bad [tm
1006 2011-04-05 05:13:46 <alias420> lol my single 5870 needs the upgraded fans I have
1007 2011-04-05 05:14:04 <alias420> I can only imagine how  hot two get
1008 2011-04-05 05:14:11 <alias420> what kind of temp are you running at?
1009 2011-04-05 05:14:25 <alias420> are you in a cold climate? I'm lucky and can open the window half the year
1010 2011-04-05 05:15:12 <BurtyB> UK with the window open - room temp is around 25C
1011 2011-04-05 05:15:24 <robblesz> my 9600GT running at 17.8Mh/s :D
1012 2011-04-05 05:16:02 <alias420> robblesz: you got that in a pool?
1013 2011-04-05 05:16:13 <robblesz> Trying out deepbit right now, yeah
1014 2011-04-05 05:16:31 <alias420> I've been running bitcoinpool.com the last few days
1015 2011-04-05 05:16:39 <alias420> it's pretty good
1016 2011-04-05 05:16:41 <alias420> no fees
1017 2011-04-05 05:16:47 <alias420> it's a bit smaller than deepbit
1018 2011-04-05 05:16:51 <robblesz> I'm using proportional payout, whatever that means
1019 2011-04-05 05:16:59 <alias420> about 15 - 20 ghps lately
1020 2011-04-05 05:18:19 <alias420> come join bitcoinpool.com no fees!
1021 2011-04-05 05:18:31 <alias420> I dont run it
1022 2011-04-05 05:18:35 <alias420> I'm just using it
1023 2011-04-05 05:19:00 <robblesz> I'll try it out. Looking for a place to park a few hundred users
1024 2011-04-05 05:19:49 <[Tycho]> BurtyB, this is not right temp :)
1025 2011-04-05 05:20:04 <jgarzik> alias420: well, they keep all TX fees
1026 2011-04-05 05:20:16 <alias420> true
1027 2011-04-05 05:20:23 <alias420> but those are not always present
1028 2011-04-05 05:20:28 <[Tycho]> And they are evil ! :)
1029 2011-04-05 05:20:37 <alias420> and the other pools keep those too from what I understand
1030 2011-04-05 05:20:40 <alias420> evil?
1031 2011-04-05 05:20:42 * jgarzik is glad we have TX fees :)
1032 2011-04-05 05:20:51 <robblesz> yeah, it's not exactly clear how they make money from the FAQ
1033 2011-04-05 05:21:07 <[Tycho]> robblesz, they don't make money.
1034 2011-04-05 05:21:21 <alias420> well those small tx fees
1035 2011-04-05 05:21:23 <u2time> jgarzik are you associated with a pool?
1036 2011-04-05 05:21:26 <robblesz> Oh there it is: "We keep them."
1037 2011-04-05 05:21:28 <alias420> maybe it's enough to break even
1038 2011-04-05 05:21:34 <alias420> hosting is pretty cheap these days
1039 2011-04-05 05:21:42 <[Tycho]> robblesz, they run their pool on home PC, so they don't need to pay for hosting.
1040 2011-04-05 05:22:03 <robblesz> they run it on _a_ home PC?
1041 2011-04-05 05:22:10 <[Tycho]> Yes.
1042 2011-04-05 05:22:19 <jgarzik> u2time: I'm building a pool hosting service, so kinda sorta.
1043 2011-04-05 05:22:22 <[Tycho]> The bad thing is that they don't completely understand how mining works.
1044 2011-04-05 05:22:28 <jgarzik> indeed
1045 2011-04-05 05:22:38 <robblesz> Hm, so if they keep transaction fees, you're saying that money goes to paying for...
1046 2011-04-05 05:22:44 <alias420> lol
1047 2011-04-05 05:22:46 <alias420> static-50-53-62-100.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net
1048 2011-04-05 05:22:46 <u2time> when  bitcoinpool.com first opened its doors I sent 7Gh/s their way and it brought down their pool
1049 2011-04-05 05:22:52 <alias420> at least it's on a static IP
1050 2011-04-05 05:23:01 <alias420> I wonder if it's a business account
1051 2011-04-05 05:23:22 <[Tycho]> Time to write a complain to their ISP ? :)
1052 2011-04-05 05:23:37 <alias420> if not it's only a matter of time before frontier finds them on port 80
1053 2011-04-05 05:23:52 <alias420> tycho are you with a certain pool?
1054 2011-04-05 05:23:59 <robblesz> I like [Tycho]'s site better, it presents information in a clear way
1055 2011-04-05 05:24:00 <u2time> tycho is deepbit
1056 2011-04-05 05:24:02 <jgarzik> u2time: if you wanted to have a private pool among friends, or a bitcoind P2P node, xf2.org can host that for you: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3614.msg78994#msg78994
1057 2011-04-05 05:24:04 <[Tycho]> Yes, but it'm not evil.
1058 2011-04-05 05:24:05 <alias420> ahh
1059 2011-04-05 05:24:12 <jgarzik> u2time: no public pool
1060 2011-04-05 05:24:15 <alias420> lol explain evil please?
1061 2011-04-05 05:24:21 <alias420> I use deepbit sometimes
1062 2011-04-05 05:24:31 <alias420> hehe I pool jump between you guys
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1064 2011-04-05 05:24:44 <alias420> sell some gpu power to the highest bidder!
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1067 2011-04-05 05:24:50 <u2time> jgarzik, I am trying to setup some private pools I might have to hire you
1068 2011-04-05 05:25:16 <alias420> lol u2time are you serious? you need to hire someone to setup a private pool?
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1070 2011-04-05 05:25:27 <u2time> with long pooling yeah
1071 2011-04-05 05:25:35 <u2time> saves like 1%
1072 2011-04-05 05:25:40 <u2time> thats almost 2Gh/s
1073 2011-04-05 05:25:49 <alias420> did puddingpop opensource that?
1074 2011-04-05 05:25:50 topace has joined
1075 2011-04-05 05:25:52 <alias420> err didn't he?
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1080 2011-04-05 05:26:32 <alias420> u2time how large is your private pool that 1% would be 2ghps
1081 2011-04-05 05:26:43 <alias420> sounds far fetched to me
1082 2011-04-05 05:26:45 <u2time> 20 * .01 = 2
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1084 2011-04-05 05:27:12 <alias420> you have a 200ghps private pool?
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1086 2011-04-05 05:27:27 <BurtyB> new world math obv :)
1087 2011-04-05 05:27:38 <nanotube> u2time: 1 pct of 20 is 0.2, not 2
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1091 2011-04-05 05:28:37 <alias420> a 20ghps privatge pool sounds far fetched for him
1092 2011-04-05 05:28:46 <gjs278> alias420 what fan are you using on your 5870
1093 2011-04-05 05:28:50 <gjs278> accelero?
1094 2011-04-05 05:28:53 <u2time> I have almost 50  - 5870's
1095 2011-04-05 05:29:02 <gjs278> and what coreclock are you nearly getting 400 at
1096 2011-04-05 05:29:15 <u2time> i only get 320 ish per card
1097 2011-04-05 05:29:24 <gjs278> what core clock for 320?
1098 2011-04-05 05:29:31 <alias420> gjs278 I bought some case with a nice power supply fan
1099 2011-04-05 05:29:38 <alias420> have a front drive bay fan
1100 2011-04-05 05:29:42 <gjs278> oh... do you didn't replace the fan on the card itself
1101 2011-04-05 05:29:53 <u2time> its the default, think 800 clock ish
1102 2011-04-05 05:29:57 <gjs278> 850 then
1103 2011-04-05 05:30:03 <alias420> and a side vent with heatsych for cpu
1104 2011-04-05 05:30:07 <gjs278> well either way
1105 2011-04-05 05:30:12 <gjs278> what core clock are you running at
1106 2011-04-05 05:30:21 <alias420> I have it a 900mhz
1107 2011-04-05 05:30:24 <gjs278> wtf
1108 2011-04-05 05:30:27 <alias420> default was 850 on mine
1109 2011-04-05 05:30:27 <gjs278> 400 at 900mhz?
1110 2011-04-05 05:30:33 <alias420> yes
1111 2011-04-05 05:30:36 <gjs278> hmm
1112 2011-04-05 05:30:41 <alias420> 400 peak
1113 2011-04-05 05:30:42 <gjs278> -v and -w128?
1114 2011-04-05 05:30:48 <alias420>  -f 0 too
1115 2011-04-05 05:30:52 <gjs278> alright
1116 2011-04-05 05:30:54 <gjs278> umm
1117 2011-04-05 05:30:58 <gjs278> what driver/stream/os
1118 2011-04-05 05:30:59 <alias420> nothing else runing
1119 2011-04-05 05:31:09 <alias420> sdk 2.2
1120 2011-04-05 05:31:12 <gjs278> got it
1121 2011-04-05 05:31:29 <alias420> and it fluctuates
1122 2011-04-05 05:31:44 <gjs278> ati drivers I'm 11.2 on linux
1123 2011-04-05 05:31:48 <alias420> 380 - 400
1124 2011-04-05 05:31:55 <gjs278> that's still pretty good for 900 core clock
1125 2011-04-05 05:32:04 <alias420> yeah I'm happy
1126 2011-04-05 05:32:08 <gjs278> driver version for you?
1127 2011-04-05 05:32:17 <alias420> windows latest
1128 2011-04-05 05:32:19 <alias420> and sdk 2.2
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1130 2011-04-05 05:32:21 <gjs278> ah ok
1131 2011-04-05 05:32:21 <Kiba> yo
1132 2011-04-05 05:32:28 <alias420> I downgraded that and it bumped me up
1133 2011-04-05 05:32:28 <Kiba> I wanna test skype
1134 2011-04-05 05:32:34 <gjs278> ok
1135 2011-04-05 05:32:37 <Kiba> but I have nobody to talk to
1136 2011-04-05 05:32:37 <gjs278> call Skype Test Call
1137 2011-04-05 05:32:48 <gjs278> echo123 is her username
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1139 2011-04-05 05:32:57 <gjs278> call it, she talks to you, you talk back, it plays your voice back
1140 2011-04-05 05:33:21 <alias420> I'm think about trying to run my old nvidia off that same mobo
1141 2011-04-05 05:33:28 <gjs278> I had no luck with that
1142 2011-04-05 05:33:30 <alias420> add another 28mhps
1143 2011-04-05 05:33:42 <gjs278> actually, you have to be careful too, the nvidia drivers can mess up your opencl badly
1144 2011-04-05 05:33:45 <gjs278> like
1145 2011-04-05 05:33:45 <alias420> I'm worried about the heat
1146 2011-04-05 05:33:50 <gjs278> it tries to override your libraries and shit
1147 2011-04-05 05:33:57 <Kiba> how do I test video?
1148 2011-04-05 05:34:02 <gjs278> umm
1149 2011-04-05 05:34:10 <gjs278> if you want to call me, I will test your video
1150 2011-04-05 05:34:15 <gjs278> and tell you how bad you look or whatever
1151 2011-04-05 05:34:15 <Kiba> ok
1152 2011-04-05 05:34:19 <alias420> lol
1153 2011-04-05 05:34:20 <Kiba> lol
1154 2011-04-05 05:34:32 <Kiba> so how do I call you?
1155 2011-04-05 05:34:38 <gjs278> just gave you my username
1156 2011-04-05 05:34:42 <gjs278> in pm
1157 2011-04-05 05:34:43 <gjs278> call away
1158 2011-04-05 05:34:46 <alias420> so tycho wassup with evil?
1159 2011-04-05 05:34:54 <alias420> you just saying that because they undercut you?
1160 2011-04-05 05:36:27 <[Tycho]> No.
1161 2011-04-05 05:36:42 * Kiba doesn't understand the interface
1162 2011-04-05 05:36:55 <gjs278> lol
1163 2011-04-05 05:36:58 <gjs278> you have to add me
1164 2011-04-05 05:37:02 <gjs278> and then call me
1165 2011-04-05 05:37:05 <alias420> lol you going to elaborate tycho?
1166 2011-04-05 05:37:09 <gjs278> your main problem is you have the new skype
1167 2011-04-05 05:37:14 <[Tycho]> They are swearing at people and calling everyone idiots.
1168 2011-04-05 05:37:20 <gjs278> you need skype 2.9
1169 2011-04-05 05:37:23 <gjs278> that's the last good version ever
1170 2011-04-05 05:37:29 <[Tycho]> Instead of trying to understand the inner working of bitcoin.
1171 2011-04-05 05:38:08 <alias420> you dont agree with their mods?
1172 2011-04-05 05:38:13 <Kiba> cool
1173 2011-04-05 05:39:00 <[Tycho]> I understand WHY they want to lower the number of getworks. But this is not related to efficiency of mining.
1174 2011-04-05 05:39:11 <gjs278> trying 11.3 ati... let's see how this goes
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1179 2011-04-05 05:41:22 <gjs278> 11.3 = slower by 4
1180 2011-04-05 05:41:32 <JFK911> 4 what?
1181 2011-04-05 05:41:38 <gjs278> mhash
1182 2011-04-05 05:41:48 <JFK911> significant
1183 2011-04-05 05:42:00 <JFK911> thats a whole Q6600
1184 2011-04-05 05:42:01 * BurtyB will bbl - time to get another hours kip
1185 2011-04-05 05:42:03 <gjs278> yeah
1186 2011-04-05 05:42:13 <gjs278> I'm thinking of trying the 10.xx drivers drivers
1187 2011-04-05 05:42:20 <JFK911> are you on windows 7, gis?
1188 2011-04-05 05:42:26 <gjs278> linux
1189 2011-04-05 05:42:33 <JFK911> oh.
1190 2011-04-05 05:42:46 <JFK911> i'm having the same cpu load thing as you but on windows.
1191 2011-04-05 05:42:56 <JFK911> I forced the cpu clock down to deal with it.
1192 2011-04-05 05:43:00 <JFK911> obviously thats not optimal.
1193 2011-04-05 05:43:00 <gjs278> oh wow
1194 2011-04-05 05:43:02 <gjs278> actually
1195 2011-04-05 05:43:11 <gjs278> 11.3 isn't making my cpu spike anymore... I think
1196 2011-04-05 05:43:17 <JFK911> oh?
1197 2011-04-05 05:43:21 <JFK911> nice
1198 2011-04-05 05:43:25 <gjs278> yeah it's staying at about 1%
1199 2011-04-05 05:43:46 <JFK911> your load average down?
1200 2011-04-05 05:43:49 <gjs278> I just lose 4mhash, which is basically the equivalent of 1 core
1201 2011-04-05 05:44:00 <gjs278> load average: 0.08, 0.10, 0.08
1202 2011-04-05 05:44:07 <JFK911> heh
1203 2011-04-05 05:44:17 <JFK911> well on an i7 9xx that will save about 50W
1204 2011-04-05 05:44:23 <gjs278> yeah seriously
1205 2011-04-05 05:44:30 <gjs278> oh well, I'll stick with this then
1206 2011-04-05 05:44:40 <gjs278> gentoo has one extra super unstable test driver that I'm going to try
1207 2011-04-05 05:47:18 <gjs278> nevermind, the guy who made the ebuild messed up the versioning in regards to stream... so this will be it
1208 2011-04-05 05:48:09 <Kiba> hmm, I can do skype voice and all
1209 2011-04-05 05:48:12 <Kiba> good thing too
1210 2011-04-05 05:48:49 <gjs278> going 950 core clock, let's see how long before I crash
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1212 2011-04-05 05:50:24 <JFK911> not crashing here, after weeeeks
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1218 2011-04-05 05:54:08 <robblesz> I only discovered bitcoin 2 days ago and I am totally obsessed
1219 2011-04-05 05:54:30 <bxc> have you made  your millions yet?
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1231 2011-04-05 05:55:27 <robblesz> planning world domination as we speak
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1238 2011-04-05 05:58:38 <phantomcircuit> http://imgur.com/gallery/hChLN
1239 2011-04-05 05:58:39 <phantomcircuit> rofl
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1242 2011-04-05 06:00:24 <DylanK> Hey guys
1243 2011-04-05 06:00:39 <JFK911> hi
1244 2011-04-05 06:00:44 <DylanK> Question: Would 123.2Mhash/s be a good speed for hashing?
1245 2011-04-05 06:00:48 <DylanK> Or rather, is it?
1246 2011-04-05 06:01:04 <[Tycho]> May be.
1247 2011-04-05 06:01:05 <lfm> DylanK: thats up to you
1248 2011-04-05 06:01:09 <DylanK> Ah
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1250 2011-04-05 06:01:30 <DylanK> I see. Just wondering what it was in comparison to the average client.
1251 2011-04-05 06:01:41 <lfm> ;;bc,calc 123200
1252 2011-04-05 06:01:43 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 123200 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 3 weeks, 6 days, 19 hours, 58 minutes, and 44 seconds
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1254 2011-04-05 06:01:54 <robblesz> DylanK: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
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1256 2011-04-05 06:02:39 <lfm> DylanK: so thats the important question, you should get on average 50 bitcoins a month or so
1257 2011-04-05 06:02:51 <DylanK> Ok, thanks.
1258 2011-04-05 06:03:04 <DylanK> Yea, looks like im getting a little over the average for my graphics card
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1261 2011-04-05 06:03:26 <DylanK> Also, is that an average if the computer is running 24/7 for a month straight?
1262 2011-04-05 06:03:41 <lfm> DylanK: ya it is faster than any CPU but only medium speed for gpus
1263 2011-04-05 06:03:44 <robblesz> ;;bc,calc 17800
1264 2011-04-05 06:03:45 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 17800 Khps, given current difficulty of 68978.89245792 , is 27 weeks, 3 days, 15 hours, 18 minutes, and 57 seconds
1265 2011-04-05 06:03:51 <robblesz> looool
1266 2011-04-05 06:05:07 <lfm> DylanK: it is a month of running wheather you do it all at once or spread out over a year. normally it would be 24/7 ya
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1268 2011-04-05 06:05:46 <DylanK> I see. Thanks. I'll need to just set some up on a render farm, see how they do
1269 2011-04-05 06:06:13 <lfm> DylanK: oh cool you have a farm of those?
1270 2011-04-05 06:06:34 <DylanK> Yep, at my school. Bunch of networked multimedia comps.
1271 2011-04-05 06:06:53 <DylanK> Im in with the network admin, so he lets me run some botnet-y stuff haha
1272 2011-04-05 06:07:01 <lfm> DylanK: cool, I dont have to tell you get permission
1273 2011-04-05 06:07:21 <DylanK> of course
1274 2011-04-05 06:07:44 <lfm> DylanK: cuz bitcoin is money, it is more sersious than just wasting time hacking
1275 2011-04-05 06:08:30 <lfm> DylanK: like the school might think any money you make is theirs
1276 2011-04-05 06:08:47 <DylanK> Yea. I can only imagine what it would be like for a hacker with a good 1000-2000 comps in his botnet might be able to make with this.
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1278 2011-04-05 06:09:15 <DylanK> Well, the school itself dosent really know what the proggie is. The net admin does, but officials  there dont understand the concept
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1280 2011-04-05 06:10:08 <lfm> DylanK: well you may not be able to count on them never figuring it out, if they ever do you could wind up in serius legal trouble
1281 2011-04-05 06:10:41 <robblesz> botnets usually are full of shit hardware
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1283 2011-04-05 06:11:47 <DylanK> lfm: True. I would need to figure out the legal aspect of that before ever implementing a botnet-type miner proggie.
1284 2011-04-05 06:12:03 <DylanK> But I did do the website..... they never paid me... blackmail!
1285 2011-04-05 06:12:11 <DylanK> Haha im out, peace
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1287 2011-04-05 06:12:30 <lfm> bye
1288 2011-04-05 06:12:51 <robblesz> a mining botnet would be some serious bad press for bitcoin
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1290 2011-04-05 06:13:46 <gjs278> damn, the preview drivers for 11.4 are still using cpu
1291 2011-04-05 06:14:11 <Kiba> unethical jackass
1292 2011-04-05 06:15:08 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,stats
1293 2011-04-05 06:15:10 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116800 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 127 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 16 hours, 36 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 81192.13883322
1294 2011-04-05 06:15:22 <phantomcircuit> fucking downloading the block chain takes forever
1295 2011-04-05 06:15:32 <phantomcircuit> this has been running for hours
1296 2011-04-05 06:15:52 <lfm> phantomcircuit: naw, just your system sucks
1297 2011-04-05 06:16:01 <JFK911> will it go faster if you forward the port
1298 2011-04-05 06:16:03 <robblesz> I read future versions will have a mode that doesn't require downloading the whole thing
1299 2011-04-05 06:16:32 <phantomcircuit> lfm, well yes, this system sucks, but that's still really fucking slow
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1303 2011-04-05 06:17:23 <ThrobbingPython> morning
1304 2011-04-05 06:17:35 <lfm> phantomcircuit: there are ways of speeding it up you know
1305 2011-04-05 06:17:52 <phantomcircuit> lfm, like what
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1307 2011-04-05 06:18:31 <lfm> phantomcircuit: predownload a compressed "seed" blockchain archive
1308 2011-04-05 06:18:45 <phantomcircuit> oh
1309 2011-04-05 06:18:51 <phantomcircuit> that doesn't count :P
1310 2011-04-05 06:19:11 <lfm> it is faster
1311 2011-04-05 06:23:00 <JFK911> that might be a good idea, now, and maybe they can respin it every 1000 or 5000 blocks
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1314 2011-04-05 06:24:13 <lfm> JFK911: there was one available a few months ago, it would still help
1315 2011-04-05 06:24:57 <phantomcircuit> JFK911, the slow part is verifying transactions/blocks
1316 2011-04-05 06:25:14 <phantomcircuit> so that would require trusting 100% the downloaded block chain in order to gain any speed up
1317 2011-04-05 06:25:36 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,stats
1318 2011-04-05 06:25:38 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116801 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 126 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 16 hours, 29 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 81201.34916433
1319 2011-04-05 06:25:50 <JFK911> well if you got a bad block chain you'd have major bitcoin issues, ya?
1320 2011-04-05 06:25:54 <JFK911> cant see how it would work
1321 2011-04-05 06:26:06 <lfm> phantomcircuit: ya, you have to get it from some place trustworthy
1322 2011-04-05 06:26:23 <JFK911> everyone is downloading and running the bitcoin client windows binary
1323 2011-04-05 06:26:27 <gjs278> I'll give you mine
1324 2011-04-05 06:26:38 <JFK911> how does anyone know that's 'trusted' :)
1325 2011-04-05 06:26:49 <gjs278> not much harm I could do anyways
1326 2011-04-05 06:26:53 <lfm> JFK911: nope, lots of people run  linux here
1327 2011-04-05 06:27:08 <sipa> indeed :)
1328 2011-04-05 06:27:26 <sipa> though that percentage may be higher among bitcoin-irc-users rather than just among bitcoin users
1329 2011-04-05 06:27:50 <JFK911> right
1330 2011-04-05 06:28:11 <phantomcircuit> ok i thought that 8 seconds was a long time to insert 500 blocks
1331 2011-04-05 06:28:15 <phantomcircuit> i stand corrected
1332 2011-04-05 06:28:27 <JFK911> i dont know what you can do with bitcoins besides buy drugs
1333 2011-04-05 06:28:40 <bxc> buy shell accounts?
1334 2011-04-05 06:28:47 <bxc> plenty of people seemto be offering hosting
1335 2011-04-05 06:29:01 <lfm> yup web servers and such
1336 2011-04-05 06:29:08 <gjs278> lol
1337 2011-04-05 06:29:09 <JFK911> doesnt sound like setting up linux and tor and all that stuff is going to be the drug shoppers choice
1338 2011-04-05 06:29:16 <JFK911> they always seem to like the path of least resistance
1339 2011-04-05 06:29:26 <phantomcircuit> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade
1340 2011-04-05 06:29:42 <alias420> hey did anyone here ever play the bitcoin lottery?
1341 2011-04-05 06:29:42 <phantomcircuit> mostly i see hosting/vpn/web design
1342 2011-04-05 06:30:01 <phantomcircuit> gambling and alpaca products
1343 2011-04-05 06:30:04 <lfm> phantomcircuit: the drug dealers arnt listed there
1344 2011-04-05 06:30:10 <phantomcircuit> lfm, yes they are
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1346 2011-04-05 06:30:15 <phantomcircuit> lfm, under consumables
1347 2011-04-05 06:30:18 <alias420> jfk911 I've got my eye on a tab of LSD
1348 2011-04-05 06:30:19 <lfm> oh hehe
1349 2011-04-05 06:30:23 <alias420> thinking about doing a test
1350 2011-04-05 06:30:26 <JFK911> Psychoactive drugs
1351 2011-04-05 06:30:27 <JFK911> note: these products might be illegal in your country.
1352 2011-04-05 06:30:48 <phantomcircuit> note: nobody gives a fuck
1353 2011-04-05 06:30:52 <JFK911> alias, i did lsd once, many years ago.  it changed my life.
1354 2011-04-05 06:31:02 <JFK911> im glad i did it, but i dont think i need it anymore :D
1355 2011-04-05 06:31:14 <phantomcircuit> sadly the guys who made 99% of the worlds lsd where arrested
1356 2011-04-05 06:31:17 <alias420> you ever try DMT?
1357 2011-04-05 06:31:20 <phantomcircuit> guess who had them arrested
1358 2011-04-05 06:31:22 <phantomcircuit> guess
1359 2011-04-05 06:31:31 <JFK911> alias420: nah, im way too old nowadays :)
1360 2011-04-05 06:31:42 <JFK911> phantomcircuit: i remember that story!
1361 2011-04-05 06:31:49 <JFK911> 90s bust wasnt it?
1362 2011-04-05 06:32:02 <alias420> never too old to visit the tryptamine dimension
1363 2011-04-05 06:32:07 <lfm> phantomcircuit: I thot most lsd was made in university chem labs late at night
1364 2011-04-05 06:32:17 <phantomcircuit> JFK911, the revolutionary and chief
1365 2011-04-05 06:32:29 <phantomcircuit> lfm, it was made by 2 ex harvard chemistry professors
1366 2011-04-05 06:32:37 <alias420> leary?
1367 2011-04-05 06:32:38 <phantomcircuit> something like 5 gallons supplied the world for a year
1368 2011-04-05 06:32:47 <phantomcircuit> alias420, his buddy
1369 2011-04-05 06:32:49 <alias420> or are we talking more recent lsd harvard prof
1370 2011-04-05 06:32:50 <JFK911> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clyde_Apperson
1371 2011-04-05 06:32:51 <phantomcircuit> forgot their names
1372 2011-04-05 06:33:08 <gjs278> names were jessie pinkman and walter white
1373 2011-04-05 06:33:15 <alias420> hahahaha
1374 2011-04-05 06:33:18 <alias420> such a good show
1375 2011-04-05 06:33:28 <alias420> lol and meth is available on one of those sites too
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1377 2011-04-05 06:33:33 <alias420> has anyone here ever ordered?
1378 2011-04-05 06:33:36 <gjs278> we should try and get promod in an episode
1379 2011-04-05 06:33:38 <phantomcircuit> uh
1380 2011-04-05 06:33:39 <phantomcircuit> no
1381 2011-04-05 06:33:40 <phantomcircuit> ?
1382 2011-04-05 06:33:50 <JFK911> why cant you shake n bake the meth yourself?
1383 2011-04-05 06:33:55 <JFK911> i heard thats the new fad
1384 2011-04-05 06:34:02 <alias420> lol sorry not order meth
1385 2011-04-05 06:34:09 <alias420> I mean order anything from the site
1386 2011-04-05 06:34:11 <JFK911> you can do it on the highway, and toss it out the window if it gets "bad"
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1388 2011-04-05 06:34:45 <alias420> I'm thinking 1 tab of lsd experiment
1389 2011-04-05 06:34:51 <lfm> i thot all meth was bad
1390 2011-04-05 06:35:00 <alias420> I wish there were at least a couple customer testionials though
1391 2011-04-05 06:35:00 <JFK911> heh
1392 2011-04-05 06:35:14 <JFK911> after talking about it here on the logged irc, it might be a bad idea.
1393 2011-04-05 06:35:18 <lfm> alias420: you can write one for them
1394 2011-04-05 06:35:21 <alias420> there are reputable weed delivery places here in canada
1395 2011-04-05 06:35:46 <alias420> meaning they are endorsed by community publications
1396 2011-04-05 06:36:26 <JFK911> W T F Welcome to Mr Brownstone, the number one TOR site for opiates, we ship worldwide!
1397 2011-04-05 06:36:31 <JFK911> *For a limited time only, free 10ml insulin syringe + needle with every purchase*
1398 2011-04-05 06:36:32 <lfm> meaning they pay off the mayor and the county cops?
1399 2011-04-05 06:36:44 <phantomcircuit> JFK911, yeah i lol'd at that also
1400 2011-04-05 06:37:51 <bxc> free insulin!
1401 2011-04-05 06:37:55 <alias420> lol
1402 2011-04-05 06:38:06 * bxc wishes there was more to spend bitcoins on that he wanted
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1404 2011-04-05 06:38:15 * bxc sells shell accounts but has nothing to do with the coins
1405 2011-04-05 06:38:31 <bxc> so then its not much encouragement to take bitcoin over US
1406 2011-04-05 06:38:33 <bxc> D
1407 2011-04-05 06:38:37 <lfm> bxc cash out then
1408 2011-04-05 06:38:46 <phantomcircuit> but no seriously buying drugs through the mail is a bad call
1409 2011-04-05 06:38:57 <phantomcircuit> it makes it a federal mail crime
1410 2011-04-05 06:39:01 <phantomcircuit> and those bitches be serious
1411 2011-04-05 06:39:26 <lfm> just use a phone instead
1412 2011-04-05 06:40:00 <phantomcircuit> yes just let me mail you some hash through your phone
1413 2011-04-05 06:40:02 <phantomcircuit> >.>
1414 2011-04-05 06:40:11 <lfm> fax it to me
1415 2011-04-05 06:40:33 <alias420> phantomcircuit not everyone is in the USA
1416 2011-04-05 06:40:53 <alias420> and if the payment is anonymous
1417 2011-04-05 06:40:58 <alias420> and you dont put your name on the package
1418 2011-04-05 06:41:04 <alias420> good luck proving shit
1419 2011-04-05 06:41:17 <phantomcircuit> alias420, possession is a crime in and of itself here
1420 2011-04-05 06:41:20 <phantomcircuit> sign for package
1421 2011-04-05 06:41:25 <phantomcircuit> cops bust  in 2 seconds later
1422 2011-04-05 06:41:26 <phantomcircuit> ownt
1423 2011-04-05 06:41:34 <alias420> funny thing that most govs dont publicize is domestic mail doesn't get searched much
1424 2011-04-05 06:41:41 <phantomcircuit> yay nazi state
1425 2011-04-05 06:42:00 <phantomcircuit> alias420, i've seen the mail sorting place here
1426 2011-04-05 06:42:02 <alias420> phantom you need to prove motive
1427 2011-04-05 06:42:10 <phantomcircuit> they have drug / bomb sniffing dogs
1428 2011-04-05 06:42:14 <phantomcircuit> alias420, lol no you dont
1429 2011-04-05 06:42:23 <alias420> ok that's where you live
1430 2011-04-05 06:42:25 <alias420> not here
1431 2011-04-05 06:42:31 <alias420> so where they ship from matters
1432 2011-04-05 06:42:51 <alias420> phantom motive needs to be proved
1433 2011-04-05 06:43:14 <alias420> that is a basic prinicipal of western judicial systems
1434 2011-04-05 06:43:18 <phantomcircuit> im pretty sure mr brown stone ships from either ny or boston
1435 2011-04-05 06:43:39 <alias420> if my name wasn't on the package
1436 2011-04-05 06:43:44 <lfm> intent not motive
1437 2011-04-05 06:43:51 <alias420> and you can't prove I paid for it
1438 2011-04-05 06:43:56 <alias420> how are you going to prove I ordered it?
1439 2011-04-05 06:44:00 <phantomcircuit> alias420, intent/motive are both irrlevant for drug possession
1440 2011-04-05 06:44:06 <alias420> lfm sorry
1441 2011-04-05 06:44:09 <phantomcircuit> merely having it is enough to be convicted
1442 2011-04-05 06:44:18 <alias420> lfm they are interchangable
1443 2011-04-05 06:44:21 <phantomcircuit> they dont have to prove you bought it
1444 2011-04-05 06:44:30 <phantomcircuit> they dont have to prove you intended to use it
1445 2011-04-05 06:44:39 <phantomcircuit> they dont even have to prove you knew what it was
1446 2011-04-05 06:44:42 <alias420> lol phantom you would do well with cops
1447 2011-04-05 06:44:52 <alias420> you'd fold like a lawnchair
1448 2011-04-05 06:45:00 <alias420> learn your rights
1449 2011-04-05 06:45:03 <phantomcircuit> alias420, fuck no i wouldn't say shit
1450 2011-04-05 06:45:06 <lfm> well thats true in the usa I spoze, in civilized countries it tends to be a bit different
1451 2011-04-05 06:45:09 <alias420> before you smack those big gums of yours
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1453 2011-04-05 06:45:24 <phantomcircuit> alias420, you're not comprehending what im saying
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1455 2011-04-05 06:45:27 <phantomcircuit> the law is super clear
1456 2011-04-05 06:45:29 <alias420> no you aren't
1457 2011-04-05 06:45:34 <phantomcircuit> it doesn't matter why you have it
1458 2011-04-05 06:45:36 <phantomcircuit> you're guilty
1459 2011-04-05 06:45:36 <alias420> the burden of proof is on them
1460 2011-04-05 06:45:44 <alias420> mind set matters
1461 2011-04-05 06:45:48 <phantomcircuit> rofl
1462 2011-04-05 06:45:48 <alias420> and proving that mind set matters
1463 2011-04-05 06:45:49 <lfm> phantomcircuit: in usa
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1465 2011-04-05 06:45:53 <alias420> and if you had a clue you would know this
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1467 2011-04-05 06:46:15 <phantomcircuit> alias420, literally your only defense against drug possession is to attack the evidence chain
1468 2011-04-05 06:46:18 <phantomcircuit> that's it
1469 2011-04-05 06:46:34 <alias420> lol phantom your limited knowledge of the legal system is quite evident
1470 2011-04-05 06:46:43 <alias420> I bet you think rich people with lawyers dont get off
1471 2011-04-05 06:46:57 <CFSworks> alias420, phantomcircuit: http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cfr/21usc/844.htm
1472 2011-04-05 06:46:57 <alias420> on lovely technicalities like proving intent
1473 2011-04-05 06:46:59 <lfm> yup in usa it doesnt matter if the cop slipped it into your pocket while he was patting you down, you go to jail for 5 years
1474 2011-04-05 06:47:04 <CFSworks> You have to be aware that you're possessing it.
1475 2011-04-05 06:47:07 <alias420> someone sending me drugs does prove I bought em
1476 2011-04-05 06:47:18 <alias420> what if i open the package and take it straight to the police?
1477 2011-04-05 06:47:37 <lfm> alias420: in usa? 5 years
1478 2011-04-05 06:47:39 <alias420> lfm not if you have a decent lawyer
1479 2011-04-05 06:47:43 <CFSworks> Your signature for a package is confirmation that it is what you wanted.
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1481 2011-04-05 06:47:50 <alias420> lfm depends on the state and the drug
1482 2011-04-05 06:47:58 <alias420> although we are talking mail
1483 2011-04-05 06:48:03 <alias420> so I guess we can assume feds
1484 2011-04-05 06:48:24 <phantomcircuit> alias420, all drug crimes can be federal if they so choose
1485 2011-04-05 06:48:25 <alias420> if you are poor and black you'll probably do 5 years
1486 2011-04-05 06:48:32 <CFSworks> Also nothing's to stop the DEA agents from hanging around, waiting to find out what they can smell.
1487 2011-04-05 06:48:44 <alias420> if you have some money and are white you'll probably get a reward for finding the drugs
1488 2011-04-05 06:49:16 <lfm> the main reason is the usa jails are run by private companies who bankroll polititian election campains so they write stricter laws
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1492 2011-04-05 06:49:32 <alias420> you could try and argue that someone sent the drugs to your house
1493 2011-04-05 06:49:35 <alias420> removing the buying
1494 2011-04-05 06:49:37 <alias420> using a fake name
1495 2011-04-05 06:49:47 <alias420> although if they stake you out
1496 2011-04-05 06:50:00 <BurtyB> genjix you got mail
1497 2011-04-05 06:50:12 <lfm> argue whatever you want, the verdict? 5 years
1498 2011-04-05 06:50:19 <CFSworks> They would probably stake you out and give you 24 hours to realize "Wait, these are illegal" and turn them in. After that, you don't have much in the way of plausible deniability.
1499 2011-04-05 06:50:26 <alias420> but it will be a much harder case to prove then simply finding weed during a pat down
1500 2011-04-05 06:50:59 <lfm> CFSworks: naw, they give you 5 second to make sure you have a firm grip, then slam your face in the dirt
1501 2011-04-05 06:51:10 <alias420> lfm are you saying no one in the united states has ever gotten out of doing 5 years for mariuana posession?
1502 2011-04-05 06:51:33 <alias420> lfm we are talking about using the mail
1503 2011-04-05 06:51:37 <lfm> alias420: well maybe if you got a million dollar laywer
1504 2011-04-05 06:51:43 <alias420> haha
1505 2011-04-05 06:51:52 <alias420> get a clue
1506 2011-04-05 06:51:55 <CFSworks> lfm, speaking from experience or am I too tired for sarcasm right now?
1507 2011-04-05 06:51:58 <alias420> you dont need to be that rich
1508 2011-04-05 06:52:46 <phantomcircuit> alias420, it's easy to get out of possession charges, you cop a plea in drug court and they give you a misdemeanor that gets expunged
1509 2011-04-05 06:52:47 <alias420> willie nelson didn't do 5 years
1510 2011-04-05 06:52:55 <phantomcircuit> alias420, however they have no reason to do this at all
1511 2011-04-05 06:53:03 <alias420> phantom thanks
1512 2011-04-05 06:53:05 <alias420> I know
1513 2011-04-05 06:53:33 <alias420> just saing lfm's statement of everyone doing 5 years is blatantly false
1514 2011-04-05 06:53:43 <alias420> ugh typos dont help my case
1515 2011-04-05 06:53:46 <alias420> err saying
1516 2011-04-05 06:53:51 <phantomcircuit> but really you're not going to get out of it for legal reasons
1517 2011-04-05 06:53:56 <lfm> they gave Tommy Chong 2 years for selling a clean pipe
1518 2011-04-05 06:54:06 <phantomcircuit> you're going to get out of it because the prosecutor doesn't want to put you in jail
1519 2011-04-05 06:54:13 <alias420> yeah not for possession
1520 2011-04-05 06:54:28 <alias420> what is your point lfm you just proved yourself wrong
1521 2011-04-05 06:54:33 <alias420> 2 years does not equal 5 years
1522 2011-04-05 06:54:34 <alias420> lol
1523 2011-04-05 06:54:40 <alias420> thanks
1524 2011-04-05 06:54:47 <CFSworks> Clean pipes do not equal possession either.
1525 2011-04-05 06:54:55 <lfm> He had good lawyers
1526 2011-04-05 06:55:00 <phantomcircuit> 2 years for paraphernalia is a lot
1527 2011-04-05 06:55:02 <phantomcircuit> like
1528 2011-04-05 06:55:02 <alias420> true it was paraphanilia
1529 2011-04-05 06:55:05 <phantomcircuit> a huge amount
1530 2011-04-05 06:55:09 <alias420> he was an example
1531 2011-04-05 06:55:11 <phantomcircuit> people sell that shit in stores here
1532 2011-04-05 06:55:14 <alias420> and could have fought it
1533 2011-04-05 06:55:18 <alias420> but saved his family
1534 2011-04-05 06:55:21 <phantomcircuit> no he couldn't have
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1536 2011-04-05 06:55:24 <alias420> you are right the USA gov can be evil
1537 2011-04-05 06:55:27 <alias420> waht's your point?
1538 2011-04-05 06:55:43 <phantomcircuit> that your assertion was idiotic
1539 2011-04-05 06:55:45 <alias420> your statement of everyone doing 5 years for possession is still false
1540 2011-04-05 06:55:45 <lfm> you just admitted our point for us
1541 2011-04-05 06:56:00 <phantomcircuit> <alias420> phantom motive needs to be proved
1542 2011-04-05 06:56:06 <alias420> lol the assertion that you can buy a good lawyer and get out of drug charges?
1543 2011-04-05 06:56:08 <phantomcircuit> they dont need to prove intent
1544 2011-04-05 06:56:09 <alias420> that's a fact
1545 2011-04-05 06:56:10 <alias420> haha
1546 2011-04-05 06:56:14 <phantomcircuit> they dont need to prove motive
1547 2011-04-05 06:56:16 <alias420> oh phantom they do
1548 2011-04-05 06:56:23 <phantomcircuit> alias420, no they dont
1549 2011-04-05 06:56:25 <phantomcircuit> fuck off canadian
1550 2011-04-05 06:56:34 <alias420> phantom learn the basics of your legal system
1551 2011-04-05 06:56:37 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,stats
1552 2011-04-05 06:56:39 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116802 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 125 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 16 hours, 25 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 81064.94328155
1553 2011-04-05 06:56:45 <CFSworks> They need to prove knowing possession, but IANAL so I could be wrong.
1554 2011-04-05 06:56:49 <alias420> this is elementary school shit
1555 2011-04-05 06:56:59 <alias420> cfsworks you are right
1556 2011-04-05 06:57:08 <CFSworks> I should hope they don't teach that in elementary school. :)
1557 2011-04-05 06:57:10 <alias420> phantom just doesn't know anything about the legal system
1558 2011-04-05 06:57:14 <phantomcircuit> CFSworks, they dont i know of at least one person who was convicted for possession of drugs he literally could not have known about
1559 2011-04-05 06:57:17 <alias420> and how easy proving intent can be in those cases
1560 2011-04-05 06:57:45 <phantomcircuit> the drug laws are exceptionally retarded
1561 2011-04-05 06:58:10 <alias420> phantom do you understand how there are different degrees of murder?
1562 2011-04-05 06:58:25 <phantomcircuit> yes
1563 2011-04-05 06:58:30 <Vladimir> no wonder... drug laws are writtten by tobaco companies
1564 2011-04-05 06:58:31 <alias420> because the crime varies due to your mindset
1565 2011-04-05 06:58:46 <CFSworks> phantomcircuit, in theory (skimming section 844) they have to prove knowledge... But in reality, prosecutors can push quite hard and bias the judge in their favor.
1566 2011-04-05 06:58:54 <alias420> intent / motive are an essential part of the criminal justice system
1567 2011-04-05 06:59:03 <phantomcircuit> CFSworks, i dont think they have to even prove it in theory
1568 2011-04-05 06:59:38 <alias420> phantom its called Mens rea
1569 2011-04-05 06:59:42 <alias420> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea
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1571 2011-04-05 07:00:04 <alias420> and in some cases its so easy to prove that we forget we had to prove it
1572 2011-04-05 07:00:21 <CFSworks> How sexist, can't there be a women's rea as well?
1573 2011-04-05 07:00:21 <alias420> sometimes it's just obvious they had a guilty mind
1574 2011-04-05 07:00:22 <phantomcircuit> alias420, it's called strict liability
1575 2011-04-05 07:00:27 <phantomcircuit> alias420, biatch
1576 2011-04-05 07:00:30 <lfm> alias420: sounds liek you are a laywer
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1578 2011-04-05 07:00:53 <alias420> I'm no lawyer but I know some
1579 2011-04-05 07:00:54 <phantomcircuit> lfm, sounds like he'd get someone thrown in prison
1580 2011-04-05 07:00:58 <alias420> I also know some criminals
1581 2011-04-05 07:01:14 <alias420> they tend to know quite a bit about the technicalities that get them off
1582 2011-04-05 07:01:39 <alias420> and their lawyers know them even better
1583 2011-04-05 07:04:39 <alias420> phantom you douche read up on strict liability
1584 2011-04-05 07:04:41 <phantomcircuit> either way
1585 2011-04-05 07:04:46 <alias420> lol
1586 2011-04-05 07:04:51 <phantomcircuit> everybody knows that rule #1 is shut the fuck up
1587 2011-04-05 07:04:51 <alias420> it just proves my case
1588 2011-04-05 07:04:58 <phantomcircuit> rule #2 is shut the fuck up even more
1589 2011-04-05 07:05:04 <alias420> it changes the crime
1590 2011-04-05 07:05:15 <alias420> lol trolls are gonna troll
1591 2011-04-05 07:05:20 <phantomcircuit> alias420, yes but it's still a crime
1592 2011-04-05 07:05:22 <phantomcircuit> jeez
1593 2011-04-05 07:05:22 <alias420> you've been schooled and may now go on ignore
1594 2011-04-05 07:05:48 * alias420 loves slapping down the trolls
1595 2011-04-05 07:06:46 <CFSworks> It's still a crime... No matter what prosecutors can/can't prove, you're still violating the laws.
1596 2011-04-05 07:07:18 <alias420> unless you aren't
1597 2011-04-05 07:07:34 <alias420> I didn't order that lsd
1598 2011-04-05 07:07:39 <alias420> it wasn't addressed to me
1599 2011-04-05 07:08:00 <CFSworks> Naturally, you aren't violating the laws if you aren't violating the laws. :)
1600 2011-04-05 07:08:03 <alias420> I was going to return that unopened envelope
1601 2011-04-05 07:08:12 <alias420> must have slipped my mind the last couple days
1602 2011-04-05 07:08:15 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, lol bitcoin-pl has managed to dumb 50MB of logs in all of about 3 minutes
1603 2011-04-05 07:08:32 <alias420> "oh shit we raided his house and he hadn't opened the letter not addressed to him"
1604 2011-04-05 07:08:40 <nathan7> :o
1605 2011-04-05 07:08:42 <alias420> it's going to be a hard time proving a crime
1606 2011-04-05 07:09:03 <phantomcircuit> alias420, sure but because it's going to be hard to get a jury to convict
1607 2011-04-05 07:09:05 <nathan7> hat happen'd?
1608 2011-04-05 07:09:06 <CFSworks> I agree, but an unproven crime is still a crime.
1609 2011-04-05 07:09:07 <nathan7> *What
1610 2011-04-05 07:09:11 <phantomcircuit> not because you haven't ACTUALLY broken the law
1611 2011-04-05 07:09:16 <alias420> hehe
1612 2011-04-05 07:09:24 <alias420> I would argue it isn't a crime until you prove it!
1613 2011-04-05 07:09:40 <phantomcircuit> alias420, i would argue that makes you an idiot
1614 2011-04-05 07:09:41 <phantomcircuit> :|
1615 2011-04-05 07:09:43 <alias420> but then I would be trolling ;)
1616 2011-04-05 07:09:44 <CFSworks> The first party would have all the proof necessary. This is why the fifth-amendment exists.
1617 2011-04-05 07:09:51 <lfm> depends how you define your words
1618 2011-04-05 07:09:51 <nathan7> Someone shipped b-erm, LSD to you?
1619 2011-04-05 07:09:55 <nathan7> I nearly typed bacon there
1620 2011-04-05 07:10:03 <phantomcircuit> nathan7, bacon
1621 2011-04-05 07:10:07 <alias420> thanks cfs
1622 2011-04-05 07:10:08 <phantomcircuit> DELICIOUS BACON
1623 2011-04-05 07:10:08 <CFSworks> nathan7, now that's a fun thing to receive in the mail.
1624 2011-04-05 07:10:13 <phantomcircuit> excuse me
1625 2011-04-05 07:10:22 <alias420> phantom seems uncapable of offering anything to the debate
1626 2011-04-05 07:10:24 <lfm> what? Is bacon legal where you live?
1627 2011-04-05 07:10:36 <nathan7> Yeah, I live in Holland.
1628 2011-04-05 07:10:56 <lfm> is anything illegal in holland?
1629 2011-04-05 07:11:07 <CFSworks> lfm, bacon is as close to illegal as it gets here... There are a lot of radical vegans in Boulder.
1630 2011-04-05 07:11:08 <phantomcircuit> yes
1631 2011-04-05 07:11:12 <alias420> yeah nathan the cops raided my house
1632 2011-04-05 07:11:17 <alias420> because they found lsd in the mail
1633 2011-04-05 07:11:25 <alias420> but it was addressed to someone that doesn't live here
1634 2011-04-05 07:11:36 <alias420> and I didn't open it
1635 2011-04-05 07:11:41 <alias420> so they didn't charge me with anything
1636 2011-04-05 07:11:47 <nathan7> We have hookers and drugs here in Holland, but no baking soda.
1637 2011-04-05 07:12:01 <alias420> hey nathan can tourists still get weed there?
1638 2011-04-05 07:12:10 <alias420> I heard your conservative government changed things?
1639 2011-04-05 07:12:11 <phantomcircuit> *makes up story* *calls everybody else a liar*
1640 2011-04-05 07:12:13 <CFSworks> alias420, good thing they didn't think you simply steamed it open, removed half the LSD to hide elsewhere, then resealed the envelope.
1641 2011-04-05 07:12:35 <nathan7> alias420: No clue.
1642 2011-04-05 07:12:44 <nathan7> I won't ever do weed, nor can I legally get it.
1643 2011-04-05 07:12:46 <phantomcircuit> ok i cant even tell what this perl client is doing
1644 2011-04-05 07:12:48 <alias420> cfs it's a good thing I didn't order that lsd
1645 2011-04-05 07:12:49 <phantomcircuit> it's slow as tits
1646 2011-04-05 07:12:56 <alias420> as all the evidence would indicate
1647 2011-04-05 07:12:57 <nathan7> A classmate tried to sell me weed a few weeks ago though.
1648 2011-04-05 07:13:03 <genjix> BurtyB: i don't see any in webmaster?
1649 2011-04-05 07:13:05 <CFSworks> alias420, both are good things :)
1650 2011-04-05 07:13:07 <genjix> BurtyB: ohh at genjix
1651 2011-04-05 07:13:12 <genjix> i responded.
1652 2011-04-05 07:13:26 <nathan7> Bitcoin is great for drug dealers I figure
1653 2011-04-05 07:14:03 <phantomcircuit> not to self
1654 2011-04-05 07:14:14 <phantomcircuit> if purchasing drugs through bitcoin, be sure to destroy private key
1655 2011-04-05 07:14:19 <CFSworks> nathan7, that brings a funny thought of two men hiding in an alley watching their PDAs for when a Bitcoin transaction confirms.
1656 2011-04-05 07:14:30 <alias420> hahaa
1657 2011-04-05 07:15:15 <alias420> phantom: lol you mean *when not *if
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1659 2011-04-05 07:17:52 <phantomcircuit> alias420, i buy drugs in a store
1660 2011-04-05 07:17:52 <phantomcircuit> so
1661 2011-04-05 07:17:53 <phantomcircuit> yeah
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1663 2011-04-05 07:19:04 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,stats
1664 2011-04-05 07:19:05 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116805 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 122 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 15 hours, 57 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 81084.83914816
1665 2011-04-05 07:19:11 <midnightmagic> incredible.
1666 2011-04-05 07:20:17 <CFSworks> gribble, could you please pick a lower number for the next difficulty? Thanks. :)
1667 2011-04-05 07:20:20 <alias420> phantom: that's good you should always buy your anti psychotics from a store
1668 2011-04-05 07:20:46 robblesz has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1669 2011-04-05 07:20:53 <alias420> we dont need you losing touch with reality any more
1670 2011-04-05 07:21:27 <CFSworks> Could we please keep the ad hominem arguments to a minimum?
1671 2011-04-05 07:26:15 robblesz has joined
1672 2011-04-05 07:26:55 <brunner> is mtgox down for anyone else?
1673 2011-04-05 07:27:24 <CFSworks> brunner, just checked... I can get to the homepage. Want me to try logging in?
1674 2011-04-05 07:27:33 <brunner> no, it's okay
1675 2011-04-05 07:27:36 <brunner> I can't even reach the home page
1676 2011-04-05 07:28:05 <brunner> is anyone able to ping 69.64.54.59?
1677 2011-04-05 07:28:37 <CFSworks> I wouldn't be of help here... My ISP blocks ping.
1678 2011-04-05 07:28:44 <brunner> woah
1679 2011-04-05 07:28:55 <brunner> oh, a school?
1680 2011-04-05 07:29:03 <brunner> CFSworks: I'll be moving to Colorado soon
1681 2011-04-05 07:29:18 <CFSworks> brunner, enjoy the weather. :)
1682 2011-04-05 07:29:27 <brunner> is it that bad?
1683 2011-04-05 07:29:42 <CFSworks> Saturday was 75F, and it snowed yesterday.
1684 2011-04-05 07:29:59 <gjs278> my guess is the difficultly will raise up, and the next one will drop
1685 2011-04-05 07:30:13 lfm has joined
1686 2011-04-05 07:30:17 <gjs278> people are just going to say screw mining and quit
1687 2011-04-05 07:30:26 <gjs278> and sell the 5970's before they're worth nothing
1688 2011-04-05 07:30:40 <gjs278> who will be buying these 5970's, I have no idea
1689 2011-04-05 07:31:10 <midnightmagic> brunner: works fine here.
1690 2011-04-05 07:31:17 <brunner> midnightmagic: thanks
1691 2011-04-05 07:31:20 <midnightmagic> brunner:  mtgox, I mean, not the ping.
1692 2011-04-05 07:31:24 <brunner> oh
1693 2011-04-05 07:31:29 <CFSworks> gjs278, you can build them into desktops and sell those. :)
1694 2011-04-05 07:31:32 <brunner> I'm very troubled by not being able to reach it
1695 2011-04-05 07:31:43 <midnightmagic> are you on linux?
1696 2011-04-05 07:31:53 <CFSworks> brunner+midnightmagic, yeah I just tried pinging from a couple servers, mtgox blocks ping.
1697 2011-04-05 07:32:01 <midnightmagic> apt-get install tcptraceroute
1698 2011-04-05 07:32:20 <CFSworks> midnightmagic, no way, they made a traceroute that uses TCP payloads? :D
1699 2011-04-05 07:32:48 <midnightmagic> uses tcp as a base protocol, the way they should have from the start.
1700 2011-04-05 07:32:49 <gjs278> I think the problem is people are just buying 5970's with no intention of... actually using them in games. when the difficulty gets too high and people realize those cards aren't going to pay themselves off anymore... and they're losing money left and right since newer cards are coming out, no real choice left
1701 2011-04-05 07:32:52 <CFSworks> Still wouldn't help me... No ICMP is allowed through my pipe, so the "TTL expired" packets wouldn't make it back to me.
1702 2011-04-05 07:33:14 <brunner> my ISP is blocking mtgox!!
1703 2011-04-05 07:33:18 <gjs278> PING 69.64.54.59 (69.64.54.59) 56(84) bytes of data.
1704 2011-04-05 07:33:19 <gjs278> From 69.64.54.59 icmp_seq=1 Destination Port Unreachable
1705 2011-04-05 07:33:24 <BurtyB> genjix it was to webmaster@ but it looks like its timing out :/
1706 2011-04-05 07:33:34 <Keefe> brunner: wfm
1707 2011-04-05 07:33:39 <brunner>  4  72-31-220-14.net.bhntampa.com (72.31.220.14)  26.003 ms  26.227 ms  25.917 ms
1708 2011-04-05 07:33:39 <brunner>  5  * * *
1709 2011-04-05 07:33:39 <brunner>  6  * * *
1710 2011-04-05 07:33:50 <alias420> lol
1711 2011-04-05 07:34:00 <alias420> how do you know mtgox isn't blocking you?
1712 2011-04-05 07:34:04 dissipate has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
1713 2011-04-05 07:34:13 <brunner> because bhntampa.com is my ISP
1714 2011-04-05 07:34:20 <CFSworks> brunner, what error are you getting loading the page? Connection failed?
1715 2011-04-05 07:34:20 <brunner> traceroute goes much farther before it stops
1716 2011-04-05 07:34:24 <alias420> yeah so?
1717 2011-04-05 07:34:28 <brunner> CFSworks: yes
1718 2011-04-05 07:34:32 <alias420> the logic works the same
1719 2011-04-05 07:34:55 <CFSworks> alias420, if it were blocked on mtgox's end, the trace would have been allowed past bnhtampa's border gateway.
1720 2011-04-05 07:35:03 <alias420> if they were blocking you would show till the last hop before the blcok
1721 2011-04-05 07:35:16 <alias420> yeah
1722 2011-04-05 07:35:22 <alias420> true enough
1723 2011-04-05 07:35:30 <alias420> but I doubt they are BLOCKING it
1724 2011-04-05 07:35:39 <brunner> the traceroute goes all the way to intergenia.de
1725 2011-04-05 07:35:51 <alias420> a bad route does not mean a block
1726 2011-04-05 07:35:53 <Keefe> and you can't browse to this?: https://mtgox.com/
1727 2011-04-05 07:36:01 <brunner> the tcptraceroute stops at my ISP, after several hops
1728 2011-04-05 07:36:03 <brunner> Keefe: no.
1729 2011-04-05 07:36:10 <brunner> oh wait
1730 2011-04-05 07:36:11 <midnightmagic> brunner: what is the outermost gateway?
1731 2011-04-05 07:36:12 <brunner> yes I can
1732 2011-04-05 07:36:17 <brunner> SSL works
1733 2011-04-05 07:36:18 <alias420> can you resolve the ip?
1734 2011-04-05 07:36:23 <brunner> alias420: yes
1735 2011-04-05 07:36:28 <CFSworks> SSL works. That's odd.
1736 2011-04-05 07:36:36 <brunner> alias420: otherwise I wouldn't be able to do the traceroute
1737 2011-04-05 07:36:41 <brunner> CFSworks: incredibly odd.
1738 2011-04-05 07:36:46 <brunner> CFSworks: and it's really fast
1739 2011-04-05 07:36:49 <midnightmagic> try just plain telnet:   telnet www.mtgox.com 80, then control-], quit<enter>, and then telnet www.mtgox.com 443 (same)
1740 2011-04-05 07:36:56 <alias420> lol
1741 2011-04-05 07:37:05 <alias420> the sky is falling the sky is falling
1742 2011-04-05 07:37:15 <alias420> my isp is blocking them because I can't reach them for 30 sec
1743 2011-04-05 07:37:31 <brunner> alias420: that's not what's going on.
1744 2011-04-05 07:37:32 <CFSworks> alias420, he still can't reach them via unencrypted HTTP.
1745 2011-04-05 07:37:44 <midnightmagic> brunner: ignore him, he's been stirring up trouble for a while now.
1746 2011-04-05 07:37:48 <Keefe>  18  static-ip-69-64-54-59.inaddr.intergenia.de [69.64.54.59]  reports: Destination protocol unreachable.
1747 2011-04-05 07:37:50 <alias420> he's pulled out his jump to conclusion mat
1748 2011-04-05 07:38:08 <Keefe> tracert is good to that point, so mtgox.com just doesn't accept pings
1749 2011-04-05 07:38:10 <alias420> so you can resolve the domain fine?
1750 2011-04-05 07:38:30 <midnightmagic> mtgox is probably blocking straight ping: PING www.mtgox.com (69.64.54.59) 56(84) bytes of data.
1751 2011-04-05 07:38:30 <midnightmagic> From static-ip-69-64-54-59.inaddr.intergenia.de (69.64.54.59) icmp_seq=1 Destination Port Unreachable
1752 2011-04-05 07:38:34 <brunner> alias420: where have you been? I said yes... otherwise I wouldn't have been able to do a traceroute at all.
1753 2011-04-05 07:38:35 <alias420> have you tried accessing it via ip
1754 2011-04-05 07:38:44 <brunner> alias420: yes, you fucking dingbat.
1755 2011-04-05 07:38:46 <CFSworks> brunner, out of curiosity, are you using your ISP's DNS or another one?
1756 2011-04-05 07:38:49 <midnightmagic> brunner: seriously, dude, he's trolling you and being douchy
1757 2011-04-05 07:38:57 <alias420> lol you are the one that can't browse webpage
1758 2011-04-05 07:38:58 <BurtyB> genjix looks like your port 25 is closed so no mail.
1759 2011-04-05 07:39:02 <alias420> calm your pussy newb
1760 2011-04-05 07:39:02 <brunner> CFSworks: my ISP
1761 2011-04-05 07:39:39 <brunner> CFSworks: regardless, it resolves to the correct IP
1762 2011-04-05 07:39:41 <alias420> have you tried a telnet session?
1763 2011-04-05 07:39:49 <brunner> telnet times out
1764 2011-04-05 07:40:02 <midnightmagic> brunner: even for port 443?
1765 2011-04-05 07:40:06 <brunner> well, I assume it will...
1766 2011-04-05 07:40:11 <brunner> midnightmagic: haven't tried yet
1767 2011-04-05 07:40:13 <Keefe> apparently the site only serves if the host is mtgox.com, not the ip
1768 2011-04-05 07:40:13 <CFSworks> Well, if it were a malicious block, it stands to reason that the ISP might block it from DNS... However I don't know what their infrastructure looks like, so they might be doing an IP block.
1769 2011-04-05 07:40:16 <brunner> midnightmagic: I'm just telnet'ing to 80
1770 2011-04-05 07:40:31 <brunner> chris@chris-Inspiron-N4030:~$ telnet www.mtgox.com 80
1771 2011-04-05 07:40:31 <brunner> Trying 69.64.54.59...
1772 2011-04-05 07:40:31 <brunner> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out
1773 2011-04-05 07:40:40 <midnightmagic> cool
1774 2011-04-05 07:40:52 <Keefe> with and without ssl works for me in firefox as long as i use the domain name
1775 2011-04-05 07:40:55 <brunner> 443 works fine
1776 2011-04-05 07:41:10 <CFSworks> brunner, I'd be curious to see a tcpdump of you trying to load mtgox.com:80, if you'd be willing to share that with us. :)
1777 2011-04-05 07:41:13 <midnightmagic> it's possible your ISP has a looking glass we can query..
1778 2011-04-05 07:41:23 <brunner> CFSworks: sure, but I don't have a packet sniffer installed
1779 2011-04-05 07:41:31 <brunner> CFSworks: which one should I install?
1780 2011-04-05 07:41:36 <CFSworks> sudo apt-get install tcpdump
1781 2011-04-05 07:41:56 <midnightmagic> plain tcpdump. wireshark tries to be too smart.
1782 2011-04-05 07:42:11 <CFSworks> sudo tcpdump -i eth0 -s 1500 -w capture.cap
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1784 2011-04-05 07:42:29 <midnightmagic> BTW, that tcpdump will catch everthing,. including payload data.
1785 2011-04-05 07:42:33 <brunner> yeah
1786 2011-04-05 07:42:40 <midnightmagic> so if you are checking mail in the background, your passwords will be in there.
1787 2011-04-05 07:42:56 <brunner> well, I use SSL for my email, but yeah, I understand
1788 2011-04-05 07:43:11 <brunner> or TLS... I can't remember which
1789 2011-04-05 07:43:12 <CFSworks> I'd hope he's using TLS for his mail... But yeah, that's why I'm only asking for it if he's willing to share it.
1790 2011-04-05 07:43:14 <midnightmagic> limit it: tcpdump -i eth0 -s 2049 -w capture.cap port 80 and host www.mtgox.com
1791 2011-04-05 07:43:30 <brunner> oh, nice
1792 2011-04-05 07:43:36 <midnightmagic> er..  that won't catch the icmp though.
1793 2011-04-05 07:43:36 <CFSworks> midnightmagic, we might want all mtgox traffic and ICMP traffic so we can see where the failing is.
1794 2011-04-05 07:43:39 <midnightmagic> so.. let's see..
1795 2011-04-05 07:43:50 <CFSworks> icmp or host 69.64.54.59
1796 2011-04-05 07:43:52 <midnightmagic> limit it: tcpdump -i eth0 -s 2049 -w capture.cap \( port 80 and host www.mtgox.com \) or icmp
1797 2011-04-05 07:43:55 <CFSworks> (I am not an expert at TCPdump)
1798 2011-04-05 07:44:16 <CFSworks> Can we eliminate the "port 80"? Would like to see the full picture.
1799 2011-04-05 07:44:23 <midnightmagic> why?
1800 2011-04-05 07:44:56 <midnightmagic> not much else to see except proxy config.
1801 2011-04-05 07:44:59 <CFSworks> Would like to be sure that mtgox isn't just responding on a weird port, or something bizarre like that.
1802 2011-04-05 07:45:04 <midnightmagic> but the tcpdump will show it by omission
1803 2011-04-05 07:45:53 <midnightmagic> he's right, his way will cast a wider net while still restricting it to mtgox.
1804 2011-04-05 07:46:10 <brunner> (waiting for the telnet session to time out)
1805 2011-04-05 07:46:13 <midnightmagic> (so no website passwords will be in it for e.g.)
1806 2011-04-05 07:46:15 <midnightmagic> just hit control-C
1807 2011-04-05 07:46:28 <midnightmagic> or control-\ if you're impatient.
1808 2011-04-05 07:46:50 <midnightmagic> or if you're already connected, then control-] (control-right-square-bracket) and then type "quit" and then enter at the prompt.
1809 2011-04-05 07:46:57 <brunner> alright, so capture.cap is binary... how do I view it?
1810 2011-04-05 07:47:04 <midnightmagic> tcpdump -r capture.cap
1811 2011-04-05 07:47:22 <midnightmagic> but I think CFS is by implication asking you to give us the capture file.
1812 2011-04-05 07:47:32 <brunner> I know how to kill the telnet session.. I just figured I'd give it a few seconds in case there were any 'retry' packets or something
1813 2011-04-05 07:47:32 <jgarzik> ok, wtf
1814 2011-04-05 07:47:35 <midnightmagic> feelin' lucky? :)
1815 2011-04-05 07:47:43 <brunner> yeah, I'll share it after I view it
1816 2011-04-05 07:47:50 <jgarzik> I have no idea why I was charged 0.04 BTC as a TX fee here:
1817 2011-04-05 07:47:51 <jgarzik> http://blockexplorer.com/b/116809
1818 2011-04-05 07:48:10 <jgarzik> paytxfee is 0.01
1819 2011-04-05 07:48:44 <midnightmagic> stale transactions?
1820 2011-04-05 07:48:46 genjix has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1821 2011-04-05 07:48:48 <midnightmagic> *4?
1822 2011-04-05 07:49:18 <brunner> CFSworks, midnightmagic: do you want the binary version, or the text version?
1823 2011-04-05 07:49:25 <midnightmagic> binary if possible.
1824 2011-04-05 07:49:25 <CFSworks> I feel dumb here, what's a "stale" transaction?
1825 2011-04-05 07:49:39 <midnightmagic> old txn that haven't made it into a block yet
1826 2011-04-05 07:49:43 <midnightmagic> is how i mean it.
1827 2011-04-05 07:49:51 <midnightmagic> i'm sure other people interpret the term slightly differently.
1828 2011-04-05 07:50:19 <midnightmagic> if you put up the bin file, then we can use tcpdump filters to narrow it down ourselves, and use tcpdump to do a protocol decode for us.
1829 2011-04-05 07:51:37 <brunner> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20617809/capture.cap
1830 2011-04-05 07:51:54 <brunner> there are only 12 packets
1831 2011-04-05 07:52:12 <midnightmagic> i would laugh so hard if there was a tcpdump exploit in there.
1832 2011-04-05 07:52:44 <tcatm> jgarzik: are you mining on the same box?
1833 2011-04-05 07:53:15 <brunner> midnightmagic: lol
1834 2011-04-05 07:53:30 <brunner> "Got you!  And your bitcoin! hahahaha!!!"
1835 2011-04-05 07:53:44 <jgarzik> tcatm: no
1836 2011-04-05 07:53:54 <midnightmagic> :-P
1837 2011-04-05 07:54:19 <tcatm> I suspect it could be the  "// Raise the price as the block approaches full" code in main.h
1838 2011-04-05 07:54:51 <midnightmagic> brunner: yes, singular. what's a BTC address of yours?
1839 2011-04-05 07:55:16 <brunner> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20617809/capture2.cap
1840 2011-04-05 07:55:43 genjix has joined
1841 2011-04-05 07:55:43 genjix has quit (Changing host)
1842 2011-04-05 07:55:43 genjix has joined
1843 2011-04-05 07:56:16 <CFSworks> The capture doesn't help as much as I had hoped. :(
1844 2011-04-05 07:56:19 <midnightmagic> brunner: well, that's not telling us much.
1845 2011-04-05 07:56:35 <midnightmagic> oh well.  brunner: so what's tcptraceroute tell you again? how far out does it go?
1846 2011-04-05 07:56:35 <brunner> midnightmagic: huh?
1847 2011-04-05 07:56:39 <midnightmagic> (pastebin it)
1848 2011-04-05 07:56:51 <midnightmagic> brunner: no, the captures. they're just your side plaintively requesting a connection.
1849 2011-04-05 07:56:55 <brunner> yeah, I mean, why do you need my bitcoin address?
1850 2011-04-05 07:57:03 <midnightmagic> brunner: I'm going to send you a bitcoin.
1851 2011-04-05 07:57:12 <midnightmagic> brunner: just make a new one for me.
1852 2011-04-05 07:57:16 <brunner> uhm, okay
1853 2011-04-05 07:58:09 <CFSworks> midnightmagic, I made one for him. 1Bbw6SBzmwWBaPRBxJUwp3WRgvDKCkqNX7 :)
1854 2011-04-05 07:59:09 <brunner> 1FdjwvdmdbJ4xu8GsrginFMVWwGjFZ4iVz
1855 2011-04-05 08:00:40 <midnightmagic> CFS: I have cursed you with a m฿ :) have fun getting rid of it! muaahahaha
1856 2011-04-05 08:02:06 <midnightmagic> :-)
1857 2011-04-05 08:02:09 <CFSworks> midnightmagic, thanks for spending 0.011 to send me 0.001. Truly a mutual benefit. :)
1858 2011-04-05 08:04:15 <brunner> weird... I started my client, and it hasn't connected to any peers yet
1859 2011-04-05 08:04:32 <midnightmagic> CFSworks: it was worth it.
1860 2011-04-05 08:04:35 <midnightmagic> lol
1861 2011-04-05 08:04:37 <lfm> brunner: it takes a while sometimes
1862 2011-04-05 08:04:53 <midnightmagic> brunner: check your .bitcoin/debug.log and look for IRC messages.
1863 2011-04-05 08:05:21 <CFSworks> brunner, if you have port 8333 forwarded and would be willing to post your IP, I could peer my nodes with you to get bootstrapped.
1864 2011-04-05 08:05:25 <midnightmagic> IRC :giraffe.heliacal.net NOTICE AUTH :*** Looking up your hostname...    <-- like that. grep "IRC" .bitcoin/debug.log
1865 2011-04-05 08:05:40 <brunner> http://pastebin.com/TK1H9a9V
1866 2011-04-05 08:05:57 <brunner> CFSworks: I'll try that if it doesn't connect soon, thanks
1867 2011-04-05 08:06:17 <midnightmagic> brunner: that looks like a normal traceroute. what's tcptraceroute show you?
1868 2011-04-05 08:06:18 <CFSworks> The pastebin is an ordinary traceroot, fyi.
1869 2011-04-05 08:06:27 <brunner> CFSworks: it's running now
1870 2011-04-05 08:06:31 <brunner> err
1871 2011-04-05 08:06:46 <CFSworks> midnightmagic, still would love to know the benefit to tcptraceroute... Time for me to RTFM. :)
1872 2011-04-05 08:06:47 <midnightmagic> hang on, i'll give you an exact command-line to use.
1873 2011-04-05 08:07:04 <brunner> http://pastebin.com/f8NqdPBt
1874 2011-04-05 08:07:24 <midnightmagic> CFSworks: traceroute uses UDP and isn't representative when douchebags block udp.
1875 2011-04-05 08:07:31 <brunner> CFSworks: my guess is that it uses TCP instead of ICMP :p
1876 2011-04-05 08:07:35 <nathan7> CFSworks: Heh.
1877 2011-04-05 08:07:46 <nathan7> CFSworks: At the two-men-in-an-ally-with-PDAs
1878 2011-04-05 08:07:50 <midnightmagic> tcptraceroute www.mtgox.com 80
1879 2011-04-05 08:08:20 <lfm> can add -addnode=75.158.131.108 too
1880 2011-04-05 08:08:47 <midnightmagic> not ICMP. traceroute uses UDP packets.
1881 2011-04-05 08:09:05 <midnightmagic> the return error messages it listens for are ICMP though
1882 2011-04-05 08:09:10 <jgarzik> tcatm: block is nowhere near full, though
1883 2011-04-05 08:09:25 <midnightmagic> brunner: one more time, with the " 80" part on the end.
1884 2011-04-05 08:09:29 <jgarzik> tcatm: 2.7k
1885 2011-04-05 08:09:50 <CFSworks> brunner, consider using " 443" at the end too, for good measure.
1886 2011-04-05 08:09:56 <midnightmagic> what he said.
1887 2011-04-05 08:09:58 <CFSworks> (In two separate runs of tcpdump, that is.)
1888 2011-04-05 08:10:05 <CFSworks> s/tcpdump/tcptraceroute/
1889 2011-04-05 08:10:08 <midnightmagic> :)
1890 2011-04-05 08:10:11 <brunner> okay, 80 gives identical output
1891 2011-04-05 08:10:15 <midnightmagic> ok
1892 2011-04-05 08:10:17 <CFSworks> I swear my brain has builtin tabcomplete and uses it too readily.
1893 2011-04-05 08:10:37 <brunner> oh, 443 does the same thing. weird.
1894 2011-04-05 08:10:52 <midnightmagic> looks like an edge router.
1895 2011-04-05 08:10:59 <CFSworks> Hmm... So your ISP is probably stopping ICMP returns at the border.
1896 2011-04-05 08:11:01 <midnightmagic> might be transparent proxying.
1897 2011-04-05 08:11:24 <CFSworks> brunner, can you also "tcptraceroute google.com 80" just to verify that it's not specific to mtgox?
1898 2011-04-05 08:12:12 <brunner> alright, I've got to pass out. I'll figure it out tomorrow.
1899 2011-04-05 08:12:12 <brunner> night all
1900 2011-04-05 08:12:12 <brunner> thanks for your help
1901 2011-04-05 08:12:20 <CFSworks> brunner, sure :)
1902 2011-04-05 08:12:26 <midnightmagic> they might be transparently proxying outgoing www data, or blocking that one specifically..  one more thing to try would be to use your ISP's proxy. they usually have one. and see if that one returns crap too. often blocks don't aplpy when you use big brothers' own proxy. their own techs are probably forced to use it.
1903 2011-04-05 08:12:32 <midnightmagic> night brunner.
1904 2011-04-05 08:12:40 <brunner> midnightmagic: google goes all the way through
1905 2011-04-05 08:12:46 <CFSworks> Hm! That's odd.
1906 2011-04-05 08:12:56 <brunner> well, until google blocks it... but it goes through 15 hops
1907 2011-04-05 08:13:08 <brunner> so it's reaching google's nework fine
1908 2011-04-05 08:13:10 <midnightmagic> brunner: right, so either some routing tables are screwed, or your ISP is douching you.
1909 2011-04-05 08:13:21 <brunner> right
1910 2011-04-05 08:13:25 <CFSworks> I'm going to go check the BGP peering to find out what path the packets are supposed to take from brunner->mtgox, brb
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1912 2011-04-05 08:13:58 <midnightmagic> so, light evidence they're screwing around with you. if you want, we can start doing more in-depth things later. if you can get to :443 though that's really all you need.
1913 2011-04-05 08:14:18 <brunner> yeah
1914 2011-04-05 08:14:28 <brunner> it's just annoying to think that my ISP is causing it
1915 2011-04-05 08:14:30 <nathan7> CFSworks: A guy from my class was writing down '4 chord song'
1916 2011-04-05 08:14:32 <brunner> I'll figure it out tomorrow
1917 2011-04-05 08:14:35 <midnightmagic> CFSworks: what looking glass do you use? do you have your own BGP beastie to query?
1918 2011-04-05 08:14:35 <CFSworks> midnightmagic, brunner: Interestingly, http://fixedorbit.com/cgi-bin/cgitrace.exe?Source=72.31.206.153&Target=69.64.54.59&submit=Search
1919 2011-04-05 08:14:47 <midnightmagic> ooOOooo..
1920 2011-04-05 08:14:50 <nathan7> CFSworks: I saw '4ch', autocompleted to 4chan q=
1921 2011-04-05 08:15:49 <midnightmagic> brunner has been null-routed? or a very expert troll who just got us to decode untrusted tcpdump caps. LOL
1922 2011-04-05 08:15:50 <CFSworks> midnightmagic, it seems to think brunner is in AS0, so it might just be a fixedorbit.com malfunction.
1923 2011-04-05 08:15:57 <brunner> lol
1924 2011-04-05 08:16:13 <brunner> I'm an expert troll, I assure you
1925 2011-04-05 08:16:33 <midnightmagic> excellent.
1926 2011-04-05 08:16:44 <brunner> okay, good night, for real... I'll be back tomorrow (I always idle here, and I won't forget if mt gox still isn't working)
1927 2011-04-05 08:16:47 <CFSworks> Wait, what's this? lsof says my kernel is trying to read wallet.dat!
1928 2011-04-05 08:16:48 <midnightmagic> find farzong and troll him good..
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1930 2011-04-05 08:18:06 <nathan7> CFSworks: Don't worry, that's just the Illuminati stealing your money.
1931 2011-04-05 08:18:10 <nathan7> Nothing to worry about
1932 2011-04-05 08:18:37 <CFSworks> nathan7, aww, I thought WE were the Illuminati. :(
1933 2011-04-05 08:19:09 <midnightmagic> we did?
1934 2011-04-05 08:19:22 <midnightmagic> cymru IP->ASN lookup fails for that IP address.
1935 2011-04-05 08:19:37 <CFSworks> Cymru as in Wales?
1936 2011-04-05 08:19:45 <sipa> ip to asn?
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1938 2011-04-05 08:19:56 <CFSworks> Time to go check AIN WHOIS.
1939 2011-04-05 08:19:58 <CFSworks> ARIN *
1940 2011-04-05 08:21:06 <midnightmagic> no, cymru as in old-school hacker dork who really hated "ORBS"
1941 2011-04-05 08:21:36 <midnightmagic> my traceroutes fail to that. i bet that IP is null-routed. try his border router instead.
1942 2011-04-05 08:21:49 <nathan7> CFSworks: No, that's just the ops.
1943 2011-04-05 08:21:51 <nathan7> wait, SHIT
1944 2011-04-05 08:22:29 <midnightmagic> nope, still AS0.
1945 2011-04-05 08:22:55 <CFSworks> Got something.
1946 2011-04-05 08:23:14 <BurtyB> thats because its an internal IP
1947 2011-04-05 08:23:21 <CFSworks> It might be AS33363, but the range doesn't go high enough...
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1949 2011-04-05 08:24:29 <BurtyB> CFSworks are you looking at 72.31.206.153 or 69.64.54.59?
1950 2011-04-05 08:24:46 <midnightmagic> 72.*
1951 2011-04-05 08:24:51 <CFSworks> BurtyB, sorry, I should have clarified. AS33363 is 72.31.*
1952 2011-04-05 08:24:58 <midnightmagic> that's brunner's side. it's delegated to them but they're null-routing it.
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1954 2011-04-05 08:25:04 <BurtyB> then it's a private IP not routed on the internet
1955 2011-04-05 08:25:20 <midnightmagic> yeah but even their edge gateway is null-routed. that's not right.
1956 2011-04-05 08:25:43 <midnightmagic> meanwhile we don't know what the source IP is for connection attempts.
1957 2011-04-05 08:25:53 <midnightmagic> so we can't really look him up anyway
1958 2011-04-05 08:25:58 <CFSworks> BHN-Tampa's admins are either very smart or very stupid. :)
1959 2011-04-05 08:26:08 <midnightmagic> it's florida.
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1961 2011-04-05 08:27:41 <midnightmagic> i would drop that ISP the next day if i saw that kind of crap going on.  brutal man..
1962 2011-04-05 08:27:58 <CFSworks> Decided to look at AS33363... http://fixedorbit.com/cgi-bin/cgitrace.exe?Source=72.31.1.1&Target=mtgox.com&submit=Search
1963 2011-04-05 08:28:03 <midnightmagic> totally needless. it's like an internal mixmaster network.
1964 2011-04-05 08:28:41 <midnightmagic> nice and short..
1965 2011-04-05 08:29:48 * BurtyB wouldn't want to have an ISP that used NAT :(
1966 2011-04-05 08:30:24 * CFSworks wouldn't want an ISP that didn't take IPv6 seriously.
1967 2011-04-05 08:31:07 <BurtyB> heh very few do atm
1968 2011-04-05 08:31:14 <CFSworks> Sadly my university does not have any posted IPv6-migration plans on their IT services board.
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1970 2011-04-05 08:31:31 <CFSworks> Should shoot them a friendly email to ask when they're going to get around to it. :)
1971 2011-04-05 08:32:01 <BurtyB> CFSworks well they do have at least 65K IPs .. so probably won't have to change any time soon
1972 2011-04-05 08:32:54 <CFSworks> BurtyB, oh I mean for my benefit not theirs. :) Can't wait to be able to give every one of my computers its own publically-available IP address.
1973 2011-04-05 08:33:37 <BurtyB> CFSworks heh - your benefit is most likely not their interest :/, in the UK uni's seem to be changing to firewalls and nat :(
1974 2011-04-05 08:34:57 <CFSworks> I realized that when I decided to hook up the wired connection... To my delight, dedicated IP!... until I realized it was firewalled. :(
1975 2011-04-05 08:35:33 <BurtyB> heh bummer
1976 2011-04-05 08:35:49 <CFSworks> It's probably there to stop students from using BitTorrent, but when I want to host a UDP game to play with friends it's rather disappointing.
1977 2011-04-05 08:36:10 <CFSworks> One of these weekends I'll see if I can't use NAT-punchthrough to let them in anyway. :)
1978 2011-04-05 08:36:23 <BurtyB> :)
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1980 2011-04-05 08:40:59 <CFSworks> Wow, freenode puts a 0.25s delay in between netsplit quits?
1981 2011-04-05 08:41:15 <CFSworks> I feel sorry for the people on the other end of the split.
1982 2011-04-05 08:41:54 <ersi> I've actually been recieving messages in bulk for a while, seems like Freenode is experiancing some troubles today
1983 2011-04-05 08:41:59 <midnightmagic> but we're on the other end of the split..
1984 2011-04-05 08:42:28 <BurtyB> :)
1985 2011-04-05 08:47:37 <CFSworks> At least that one wasn't drawn out over several seconds.
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2002 2011-04-05 09:56:15 <joepie91> mm
2003 2011-04-05 09:56:53 <xelister> bubble bursted :o
2004 2011-04-05 09:57:24 <genjix> xelister: :p
2005 2011-04-05 09:57:27 <genjix> :o
2006 2011-04-05 09:57:29 <genjix> wtf
2007 2011-04-05 09:57:41 <xelister> ;;bc,mtgox
2008 2011-04-05 09:57:42 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.7688,"low":0.5619,"vol":17652,"buy":0.575,"sell":0.6,"last":0.6}}
2009 2011-04-05 09:57:46 <xelister> 0.56
2010 2011-04-05 09:57:51 <genjix> i know
2011 2011-04-05 09:57:53 <genjix> damn
2012 2011-04-05 09:57:57 <xelister> :O
2013 2011-04-05 09:58:45 <xelister> perhaps compu4cash is cashing out
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2015 2011-04-05 09:59:21 <genjix> ;;bc,britcoin
2016 2011-04-05 09:59:21 <gribble> Error: "bc,britcoin" is not a valid command.
2017 2011-04-05 09:59:23 <genjix> :(
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2019 2011-04-05 09:59:42 <xelister> JUMP THE SHIP
2020 2011-04-05 09:59:50 * xelister grabs rescue wheel
2021 2011-04-05 09:59:56 <genjix> nah
2022 2011-04-05 09:59:59 * xelister grabs his p0rn dvds
2023 2011-04-05 10:00:01 * xelister jumps
2024 2011-04-05 10:00:02 * xelister the
2025 2011-04-05 10:00:04 * xelister ship
2026 2011-04-05 10:00:21 <xelister> nah Im just kidding.
2027 2011-04-05 10:00:25 * xelister keeps mining solo like a boss
2028 2011-04-05 10:02:58 <[Tycho]> Wow, finally 100 Gh :)
2029 2011-04-05 10:06:37 <joepie91> genjix
2030 2011-04-05 10:06:42 <joepie91> can't you just alias add or something?
2031 2011-04-05 10:06:46 <joepie91> ;;help alias add
2032 2011-04-05 10:06:47 <gribble> (alias add <name> <alias>) -- Defines an alias <name> that executes <alias>. The <alias> should be in the standard "command argument [nestedcommand argument]" arguments to the alias; they'll be filled with the first, second, etc. arguments. $1, $2, etc. can be used for required arguments. @1, @2, etc. can be used for optional arguments. $* simply means "all remaining arguments," and (1 more message)
2033 2011-04-05 10:07:01 <joepie91> mm
2034 2011-04-05 10:07:29 <joepie91> ;;echo test
2035 2011-04-05 10:07:30 <gribble> test
2036 2011-04-05 10:07:40 <joepie91> ;;alias add bc,britcoin echo https://www.britcoin.co.uk/
2037 2011-04-05 10:07:41 <gribble> Error: You don't have the alias.add capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
2038 2011-04-05 10:07:43 <joepie91> aww
2039 2011-04-05 10:10:04 <idnar> botcoin
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2043 2011-04-05 10:29:45 <dsg> *phew* saved by the backup after a wallet.dat got corrupted.
2044 2011-04-05 10:29:54 <dsg> Remember kids, always check your backups :)
2045 2011-04-05 10:30:38 <idnar> I backup my wallet just about every time I do anything
2046 2011-04-05 10:31:32 <idnar> the last step in my backup script is restoring the backup and verifying that it's intact
2047 2011-04-05 10:32:00 <idnar> (and I store the backups in a versioned bucket, just in case I need an older one anyway)
2048 2011-04-05 10:33:35 <joepie91> (????)? Y U NO  < best emote ever
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2050 2011-04-05 10:35:15 <Kiba> saved by the backup!
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2054 2011-04-05 10:42:16 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,stats
2055 2011-04-05 10:42:17 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116837 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 90 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 11 hours, 45 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 81430.74455377
2056 2011-04-05 10:42:44 <[Tycho]> Blocks are coming way too frequently :)
2057 2011-04-05 10:47:01 <CIA-96> bitcoin: genjix * r5df15deeccfc intersango/jsonRPCClient.php: scrub URL from Exception message. http://tinyurl.com/3tc5djh
2058 2011-04-05 10:47:04 <CIA-96> bitcoin: genjix * re7c0d81d5d34 intersango/view_request.php: BUGFIX: missing $uid from function argument. http://tinyurl.com/3fecp4p
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2060 2011-04-05 10:50:10 <testin> what would happen if all the pools just stopped for 1 day?  the difficulty would go down, right?
2061 2011-04-05 10:50:42 <Kiba> not really
2062 2011-04-05 10:52:36 <[Tycho]> People will just switch to solo :)
2063 2011-04-05 10:52:50 <eps2> ;;bc,stats
2064 2011-04-05 10:52:53 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116838 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 89 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 11 hours, 37 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 81433.83250222
2065 2011-04-05 10:57:01 <CIA-96> bitcoin: genjix * r4f33e75ddc02 intersango/ (profile.php util.php view_request.php view_util.php): Added : to date formatting. http://tinyurl.com/6jxudo6
2066 2011-04-05 10:57:34 <BurtyB> hmmm date formatting
2067 2011-04-05 11:01:40 <genjix> sorted the ordering too
2068 2011-04-05 11:02:20 Vandroiy is now known as ForceDestroyer
2069 2011-04-05 11:04:15 <BurtyB> :) yum
2070 2011-04-05 11:04:41 <nathan7> Bacon?
2071 2011-04-05 11:06:35 <krytzz> what happens if a payment is made to my bitcoin address and my bitcoin node is not online?
2072 2011-04-05 11:06:53 <bxc> payment is to your key not to your node
2073 2011-04-05 11:06:57 <eps2> i get your money
2074 2011-04-05 11:07:02 <CIA-96> bitcoin: genjix * r8cac57eaa577 intersango/profile.php: BUGFIX: ordering is incorrect for profile views. http://tinyurl.com/3qstbt4
2075 2011-04-05 11:07:03 <bxc> you only need your node online to make payments
2076 2011-04-05 11:07:04 <sipa> you'll get it when you come online
2077 2011-04-05 11:07:24 <krytzz> ah i thought my node has to sig the payment with my private key
2078 2011-04-05 11:07:30 <bxc> sipa: well the transactionw ill happen even witht he node offline
2079 2011-04-05 11:07:37 <sipa> krytzz: yes, if you do a payment
2080 2011-04-05 11:07:54 <krytzz> ah ok, i thought both parties sig it
2081 2011-04-05 11:07:55 <sipa> but receiving is just noticing there is one addressed to you
2082 2011-04-05 11:07:56 <bxc> sipa: node will become aware that the transaciton happened when it coems back online, but the transaction will have happened before
2083 2011-04-05 11:08:06 <krytzz> ok thanks
2084 2011-04-05 11:08:15 <eps2> hmm so the price has dropped quite a bit hasn't it?
2085 2011-04-05 11:08:23 <sipa> bxc: transaction don't occur at a certain point in time
2086 2011-04-05 11:08:34 <sipa> they just exist
2087 2011-04-05 11:09:05 <eps2> bitcoins exist outside of spacetime, they have always existed, they always will
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2089 2011-04-05 11:11:48 <genjix> https://britcoin.co.uk/api/getTrades.php
2090 2011-04-05 11:11:56 <genjix> nobody trading bitcoins in ladt 24 hours :(
2091 2011-04-05 11:12:37 <Kiba> we're so smalllllllllllll that nobody trade in the last 24 hours
2092 2011-04-05 11:14:22 <xelister> idea to fix situation, how about more people agreeing to trade stuff in BTC
2093 2011-04-05 11:14:31 <genjix> hope the economy isn't retarding.
2094 2011-04-05 11:14:49 <xelister> like signing long term contracts..  I will develop for 20 btc/h .. I will always buy btc at >=0.4 USD etc
2095 2011-04-05 11:14:56 <xelister> genjix: why should it?
2096 2011-04-05 11:14:56 <Kiba> xelister: that won't work
2097 2011-04-05 11:15:08 <krytzz> of course the deflation is a motivation to just keep the bitcoins
2098 2011-04-05 11:15:13 <genjix> big price drop. suddent stall in trades.
2099 2011-04-05 11:15:29 <Kiba> jesus
2100 2011-04-05 11:15:31 <genjix> i gave out 50 bitcoins yesterday
2101 2011-04-05 11:15:33 <Kiba> worried about short term movement
2102 2011-04-05 11:17:22 <Kiba> yay
2103 2011-04-05 11:17:24 <Kiba> multiplayer work
2104 2011-04-05 11:17:28 <Kiba> now have to fix single player
2105 2011-04-05 11:22:07 <Kiba> remember that Baron guy?
2106 2011-04-05 11:22:23 <Kiba> the guy who started that massive thread claiming that mtgox stolen from him
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2146 2011-04-05 11:28:02 <krytzz> Kiba: whats up with him
2147 2011-04-05 11:29:49 <topi`> morning genjix. how did you sleep? :)
2148 2011-04-05 11:30:26 <genjix> for >16 hours :p
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2150 2011-04-05 11:31:05 <Kiba> krytzz: well, apperantly he must be a fraud because he never pursued legal action
2151 2011-04-05 11:31:15 <krytzz> maybe
2152 2011-04-05 11:31:39 <topi`> genjix: I decided to start pool mining with my little brother, maybe I'll write a pooling service of my own to compete with slush
2153 2011-04-05 11:32:11 <topi`> "competition is good" or something like that...
2154 2011-04-05 11:32:21 <Kiba> mining aren't interesting
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2156 2011-04-05 11:32:37 <genjix> see PM
2157 2011-04-05 11:33:19 <Kiba> well, why do we need to see yet another pool miner when we can get something like yet another exchange in a new currency?
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2159 2011-04-05 11:35:50 <topi`> exchange is the basis of all trade, but I just need some coins to start trading :)
2160 2011-04-05 11:36:08 <Kiba> you could join witcoin
2161 2011-04-05 11:36:13 <Blitzboom> buuy them
2162 2011-04-05 11:36:17 <Kiba> and try to earn bitcoin by submitting good content
2163 2011-04-05 11:36:27 <topi`> probably in the ancient times everybody had a reasonable chance of finding gold from riverbottoms etc.
2164 2011-04-05 11:36:46 <topi`> but, in order to start a trading system using gold instead of barter, you *had* to have some gold in the first place
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2166 2011-04-05 11:37:17 <xelister> MICRO-BOUNTY  I pay  10 BTC (around 5-7 usd)   to [tell me exactly how to] set me up on linux my sftp server to log all accesses, server is now as linux user with group that sshd switches to proper sftp subsystem.  and/or using scponly shell.
2167 2011-04-05 11:37:18 <Blitzboom> buy it or earn it
2168 2011-04-05 11:37:33 <Blitzboom> mining won’t help the economy
2169 2011-04-05 11:38:02 <genjix> how come difficulty is correlated with exchange rate?
2170 2011-04-05 11:38:16 <genjix> not saying it is, but that statement is dubious.
2171 2011-04-05 11:38:24 <Blitzboom> genjix: exchange rate goes up => mining becomes more profitable => difficulty goes up
2172 2011-04-05 11:39:12 <genjix> mining becomes less profitable => less bitcoins for sale => exchange rate goes down
2173 2011-04-05 11:39:43 <Blitzboom> lower supply means higher price
2174 2011-04-05 11:39:59 <Kiba> now, we have the largest bitcoin bounty awarded..what can we do?
2175 2011-04-05 11:40:10 <Blitzboom> Kiba: slashdot?
2176 2011-04-05 11:40:14 <Kiba> make an even bigger bounty with an even more awesome project1
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2178 2011-04-05 11:40:21 <krytzz> xelister: which distro?
2179 2011-04-05 11:40:39 <genjix> that's what i meant (typo) because a higher price per bitcoin helps the economy.
2180 2011-04-05 11:41:17 <Blitzboom> it helps the network
2181 2011-04-05 11:41:31 <Blitzboom> and a strong network helps building trust
2182 2011-04-05 11:41:57 <genjix> right, so these things are all connected in a fuzzy way.
2183 2011-04-05 11:42:22 <Blitzboom> i’d say it is connected in a delayed reaction
2184 2011-04-05 11:42:27 <Blitzboom> of a few weeks
2185 2011-04-05 11:42:56 <genjix> because the exchange rate + difficulty are correlated, I wouldn't say that implies they're related proportionally, but it's good evidence for a weak link.
2186 2011-04-05 11:43:00 <Blitzboom> anyway, it should be in nobody’s interest that the exchange rate declines further than it already did
2187 2011-04-05 11:43:39 <topi`> unless you want to buy btc :)
2188 2011-04-05 11:43:55 <Blitzboom> no, if you really want to buy, you’d buy right now
2189 2011-04-05 11:44:48 <topi`> I guess so
2190 2011-04-05 11:44:55 <topi`> but i'm a poor student!
2191 2011-04-05 11:45:09 <topi`> so it's easier to suck up the kWh that my dad pays ;)
2192 2011-04-05 11:46:14 <xelister> krytzz: ubuntu.  logging of all file accessess, who from which IP accessed what patch and was it read or write.
2193 2011-04-05 11:46:42 <ersi> Huh, that's nice.. Upgraded Ubuntu to Natty Narwhal Beta and Bitcoin still works (with GUI, without compile)
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2196 2011-04-05 11:48:33 <topi`> maybe I should compile bitcoin for debian-armel
2197 2011-04-05 11:48:50 <genjix> i think it's already in debian repos
2198 2011-04-05 11:48:53 <genjix> bitcoin-cli
2199 2011-04-05 11:49:07 <topi`> bitcoin-cli - peer-to-peer network based anonymous digital currency - CLI tools
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2201 2011-04-05 11:49:10 <topi`> indeed it is :)
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2206 2011-04-05 11:50:40 <topi`> it has a dependency to something called libboost
2207 2011-04-05 11:51:57 <genjix> yeah you need libboost-all-dev to compile it
2208 2011-04-05 11:52:21 <topi`> I think the biggest problem ppl will face (if bitcoin ever gets bigger) is that there will be a rich elite (the early adopters) who could mine with low difficulty
2209 2011-04-05 11:52:38 <topi`> even though they, too, have paid for a couple of kilowatt-hours, surely
2210 2011-04-05 11:52:55 <topi`> a true anarchist would share his wealth with anyone in need :)
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2212 2011-04-05 11:53:54 Kiba is now known as kiba
2213 2011-04-05 11:53:59 <topi`> of course I'm making the strong prediction here that BTC will find more use, and because of that, its value will climb and climb
2214 2011-04-05 11:54:14 <kiba> the early adopter will be fricking rich if it take off
2215 2011-04-05 11:54:23 <kiba> with satoshi becoming the richest man in the world
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2217 2011-04-05 11:54:55 <kiba> well
2218 2011-04-05 11:55:03 <sipa> topi`: i don't see why the difficulty would be lower for early adopters?
2219 2011-04-05 11:55:04 <kiba> he DID release a pandora's box
2220 2011-04-05 11:56:17 <grbgout> g'morning
2221 2011-04-05 11:58:28 <[Tycho]> Hello.
2222 2011-04-05 11:58:29 <topi`> kiba, he will only become richest IF bitcoin somehow magically can overtake all other currencies
2223 2011-04-05 11:58:45 <topi`> if you ask for my prediction, bitcoin has the potential to replace current CASH people use every day
2224 2011-04-05 11:59:05 <topi`> but then the national currencies will continue to live a separate life
2225 2011-04-05 11:59:05 <[Tycho]> ...if no other cryptocurrencies will be created
2226 2011-04-05 11:59:33 <topi`> tycho, it's always possible to create yet another cryptocurrency, but all the more difficult to get other people jump on your new bandwagon
2227 2011-04-05 11:59:44 <topi`> they will ask 'why'?
2228 2011-04-05 12:00:16 <sipa> it would need some (at least perceived) significant advantages
2229 2011-04-05 12:00:18 <krytzz> you need ecosystem and everything
2230 2011-04-05 12:00:18 <[Tycho]> Most people still don't know about bitcoins at all.
2231 2011-04-05 12:00:23 <topi`> the problem with cash is that it is a very expensive medium.
2232 2011-04-05 12:00:29 <krytzz> yeah
2233 2011-04-05 12:00:36 <[Tycho]> New currency can have some benefits or just TV ads :)
2234 2011-04-05 12:00:38 <topi`> tycho, that can be changed. when somebody creates a usable iPhone bitcoin client etc etc...
2235 2011-04-05 12:00:41 <eps2> not as expensive as gold
2236 2011-04-05 12:00:46 <krytzz> well its absolutely possible that some big company will come up with a similar thing and is able to push it
2237 2011-04-05 12:00:54 <sipa> let's say 1 in 100000 people knows about it
2238 2011-04-05 12:01:07 <eps2> i think you are overestimating
2239 2011-04-05 12:01:10 <sipa> that doesn't mean 1 in 100000 has used it
2240 2011-04-05 12:01:15 <topi`> there's still the advantage of the early mover
2241 2011-04-05 12:01:26 <topi`> but the threat of some company like VISA launching their own network, is real
2242 2011-04-05 12:01:45 <genjix> powers of 10: if 1 in 100 000 has heard of it, then 1 in 1 000 000 has used it... that's a lot.
2243 2011-04-05 12:02:01 <sipa> genjix: 1 in 1000000 people is 7000 people
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2245 2011-04-05 12:02:41 <genjix> 6 billion / 100 000?
2246 2011-04-05 12:02:42 <topi`> is there anywhere an estimation about existing bitcoin wallets?
2247 2011-04-05 12:02:59 <[Tycho]> Many people will be completely unable to understand bitcoins at all (until BTC will be used everywhere, if only)
2248 2011-04-05 12:03:11 <eps2> tbh i can't see btc replacing cash, but i can see banks, countries and financial instuitions using a cryptocurrency to keep score amongst each other
2249 2011-04-05 12:03:18 <genjix> topi`: only a count of the bootstrap nodes on irc
2250 2011-04-05 12:03:22 <sipa> genjix: 60000 people heard about it - hmm, yeah not more than that indeed
2251 2011-04-05 12:04:20 <genjix> indeed i overestimated too, but the magnitude estimate now is ~10k users which seems close to your estimate.
2252 2011-04-05 12:05:38 <maurcie> Don't they have that tech in Japan, where you can pay out of your bank account using your mobile.
2253 2011-04-05 12:07:01 <grbgout> I can see it being used as cash, but certainly not replacing it.  It simply can't be simpler than handing over 4 pieces of paper, and ease of use trumps all.
2254 2011-04-05 12:08:06 <krytzz> grbgout: you dont know how technology looks in 20 years, computers will be a piece of paper
2255 2011-04-05 12:08:17 <sipa> i find cash decidedly hard to use, compared to electronic payment (in places where it is accepted)
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2257 2011-04-05 12:08:27 <maurcie> On the London underground you have oyster cards, where you put money on the RDFI enabled card, and then you can go through ticket barriers by swiping the card.
2258 2011-04-05 12:08:51 <maurcie> It is much quicker and easier then waiting to pay in cash each time.
2259 2011-04-05 12:11:02 <eps2> but btc transactions aren't instant
2260 2011-04-05 12:11:27 <sipa> they can be
2261 2011-04-05 12:11:48 <sipa> if you get enough trust that it won't be double-spent
2262 2011-04-05 12:12:12 <sipa> search the forum for a thread about a vending machine or something
2263 2011-04-05 12:15:02 <grbgout> sorry, stepped away.
2264 2011-04-05 12:15:48 <grbgout> True, in the future it's likely that electronic payment will be much simpler.  But right now, paying with BTC is much, much, harder to do than paying with cash.  Dead tree mechanisms of payment are not dependent upon the availability of electricity.
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2266 2011-04-05 12:16:12 <genjix> sipa: that's a great idea. GPG signature on a txid for trust.
2267 2011-04-05 12:16:24 <genjix> there you go... instant bitcoin payments.
2268 2011-04-05 12:16:51 <sipa> genjix: i believe jgarzik is setting something up
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2270 2011-04-05 12:19:00 <grbgout> genjix did you see my reply to your "Lets bring money into Bitcoin & find new ways of organising free software" thread?
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2272 2011-04-05 12:19:30 <genjix> no checking.
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2274 2011-04-05 12:19:37 <grbgout> it was a while ago
2275 2011-04-05 12:20:22 <genjix> ah yes, i saw that.
2276 2011-04-05 12:21:34 <genjix> yep i have plans.
2277 2011-04-05 12:24:56 <grbgout> k
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2282 2011-04-05 12:44:58 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,stats
2283 2011-04-05 12:45:00 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116854 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 73 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 9 hours, 31 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 81586.97921811
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2297 2011-04-05 13:13:32 <xelister> ^--- micro bounty is now closed (krytzz was 1st)
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2299 2011-04-05 13:15:41 <BurtyB> oops bitcoinpool got 0wned
2300 2011-04-05 13:16:24 <WakiMiko_> huh?
2301 2011-04-05 13:17:07 <BurtyB> message comes up saying they was done over when I went to check on my last few BTC there - unless it's old?
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2308 2011-04-05 13:39:30 <devon_hillard> is bitcoin at the end of the gold rush?
2309 2011-04-05 13:39:42 <devon_hillard> looks like midrange GPUs no longer cut it
2310 2011-04-05 13:40:02 <devon_hillard> i.e. buying a GPU just for bitcoin won't pay for itself
2311 2011-04-05 13:40:14 <devon_hillard> although using an existing card may reduce some of the purchase cost
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2313 2011-04-05 13:43:12 <luke-jr> devon_hillard: I agree on GPUs
2314 2011-04-05 13:44:49 <tcatm> my GPUs are still profitable
2315 2011-04-05 13:45:19 <devon_hillard> tcatm: what are you using? hardware and software-wise
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2317 2011-04-05 13:45:46 <tcatm> a few 5970s running oclminer
2318 2011-04-05 13:46:18 <tcatm> and I pay $0.32/kWh (!)
2319 2011-04-05 13:46:21 <devon_hillard> tcatm: would you recoup their purchase price if you bought them today?
2320 2011-04-05 13:46:48 <tcatm> nope
2321 2011-04-05 13:46:51 <topi`> I guess ppl get GPUs to play high end games
2322 2011-04-05 13:46:54 <devon_hillard> that was my point
2323 2011-04-05 13:47:07 <topi`> but that excludes ppl like me who want to own laptops instead of desktops
2324 2011-04-05 13:47:10 <devon_hillard> of course, if you get a free GPU, you can use it to mine :)
2325 2011-04-05 13:47:14 <topi`> (I have no home, hence am a nomad :)
2326 2011-04-05 13:47:43 <devon_hillard> couch surfing?
2327 2011-04-05 13:47:45 <eps2> i bought a 5450, gets me 0.12 Mhash
2328 2011-04-05 13:47:58 <tcatm> you could always keep your bitcoins and sell later at higher prices
2329 2011-04-05 13:48:16 <devon_hillard> would the market turn up before you go bankrupt :)
2330 2011-04-05 13:48:18 <tcatm> or factor in the GPUs resale value
2331 2011-04-05 13:48:29 <eps2> but electricity is included in my rent (as long as i don't take the piss)
2332 2011-04-05 13:48:52 <eps2> i have made 10 bitcoins out of it in just over a month
2333 2011-04-05 13:49:01 <eps2> so a few months it will have paid for itself
2334 2011-04-05 13:49:19 <topi`> eps2: you mean 0.12 Ghash?? even my lowly 9400M gives 1.5 Mhash
2335 2011-04-05 13:49:38 <topi`> although, this is with 60-70% GPU usage (dunno why it won't use 99%)
2336 2011-04-05 13:49:47 <eps2> topi` nope, 0.12 MHash, the 5450 are low end cards
2337 2011-04-05 13:50:34 <eps2> i also run it on an 8600GT at work (free power) but the hash rate is barely better than cpu
2338 2011-04-05 13:51:07 <topi`> eps2: a Radeon HD 5450?
2339 2011-04-05 13:51:16 <eps2> i am in a pool obviously
2340 2011-04-05 13:51:20 <eps2> topi yup
2341 2011-04-05 13:51:43 <eps2> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/199429
2342 2011-04-05 13:51:50 <eps2> passively cooled
2343 2011-04-05 13:52:50 <topi`> eps2: the Hardware Monitor tells me my gfx chipset is using 6 watts of power while mining away at 1.5 Mhash/s :)
2344 2011-04-05 13:53:33 <topi`> I could use the CPU for mining as well, but then the power use of this laptop would be quadrupled
2345 2011-04-05 13:53:54 <sipa> topi`: that's not too bad actually
2346 2011-04-05 13:55:38 <topi`> but my little brother does 36M with his 1.5 years old graphics card!
2347 2011-04-05 13:55:45 <eps2> but it is not just about the gfx chipset is it?
2348 2011-04-05 13:56:07 <eps2> i have a low power server at home that is on all the time
2349 2011-04-05 13:56:22 <eps2> it can only take a low profile gfx card
2350 2011-04-05 13:57:23 <luke-jr> eps2: 5450 should be getting a full 12 MH/s
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2352 2011-04-05 13:58:25 <eps2> hm, maybe i have got my units mixed up
2353 2011-04-05 13:58:29 <eps2> lemme check
2354 2011-04-05 13:58:57 <eps2> 11090 khash/sec
2355 2011-04-05 14:00:03 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,stats
2356 2011-04-05 14:00:04 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116869 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 58 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 7 hours, 34 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 81767.15835966
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2358 2011-04-05 14:00:30 <EPiSKiNG> once the difficulty goes up, so too should the value of BTC
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2360 2011-04-05 14:01:31 <eps2> luke-jr: should i be getting more than that from a 5450?
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2362 2011-04-05 14:01:49 <xelister> #bitcoin-otc [13:38:56] <stamit> Subsystem       #bitcoin-dev [13:38:08] <krytzz> xelister: which distro? [13:45:43] <krytzz> Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server -l DEBUG3                heh krytzz started fast, then stamit replied, then krytzz replied more detailed...  guys how about 3 btc for stamit and 7 for krytzz (he's also parsing the log we agreed he will script it a bit)?
2363 2011-04-05 14:02:06 <EPiSKiNG> ~12 MH/s
2364 2011-04-05 14:02:09 <EPiSKiNG> for 5450
2365 2011-04-05 14:02:19 <luke-jr> 11090 khash/sec is 11 MH/s
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2367 2011-04-05 14:02:47 <sipa> EPiSKiNG: value of btc is indeed correlated to difficulty, but there's a few weeks delay
2368 2011-04-05 14:02:49 <eps2> ok, i think meant 0.11 GHash originally then
2369 2011-04-05 14:03:03 <luke-jr> 11090 khash/sec is 11 MH/s is 0.011 GH/s
2370 2011-04-05 14:03:12 * eps2 nods
2371 2011-04-05 14:03:21 <EPiSKiNG> for sure sipa
2372 2011-04-05 14:03:28 <luke-jr> so no matter how you look at it, you don't have 0.11 anything
2373 2011-04-05 14:03:42 <eps2> ok ok :)
2374 2011-04-05 14:03:43 <topi`> lol
2375 2011-04-05 14:03:49 <luke-jr> 11090 khash/sec is 11 MH/s is 0.011 GH/s is 169 ᵇH/s
2376 2011-04-05 14:03:59 <sipa> i's 0.11 hMH/s!
2377 2011-04-05 14:04:03 <sipa> *it's
2378 2011-04-05 14:04:07 <luke-jr> 11090 khash/sec is 11 MH/s is 0.011 GH/s is 9 ᵇH/s
2379 2011-04-05 14:04:12 <luke-jr> sipa: oh, true
2380 2011-04-05 14:05:05 <sipa> you can also switch units from hashes/time to difficulty; 11090 khash/sec = 1.55 difficulty :)
2381 2011-04-05 14:05:09 <xelister> tonatrolololol
2382 2011-04-05 14:05:17 <xelister> tonalololtrololol :P
2383 2011-04-05 14:05:24 * xelister hides
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2385 2011-04-05 14:06:20 <luke-jr> sipa: how does that work?
2386 2011-04-05 14:06:56 <luke-jr> ;;bc,blocks
2387 2011-04-05 14:06:56 <gribble> 116872
2388 2011-04-05 14:07:04 <sipa> luke-jr: if you were the only miner with hash rate 11090 khash/s, the difficulty would be 1.55 :)
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2392 2011-04-05 14:10:52 <krytzz> xelister: hm yeah the answer wasnt much work but the log parser is a bit
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2396 2011-04-05 14:17:07 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r3818c7709bdd spesmilo/settings.py: change case for settings category http://tinyurl.com/3kwqzuy
2397 2011-04-05 14:17:33 <xelister> krytzz: ok I sent you entire 10 :) hope the parser is fine tomorrow;  please rate me @ #bitcoin-otc later ok?
2398 2011-04-05 14:18:53 <krytzz> xelister: k, never was in bitcoin-otc, ill have a look
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2401 2011-04-05 14:24:08 <krytzz> xelister: wow thanks for the coins, of course you will get the money back if i dont suceed
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2406 2011-04-05 14:27:35 <joepie91> http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1301957545.png < lold
2407 2011-04-05 14:30:32 <retinal> ;;bc,stats
2408 2011-04-05 14:30:34 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116873 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 54 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 7 hours, 2 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 81895.00724582
2409 2011-04-05 14:31:02 <xelister> krytzz: no probl =) good luck
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2417 2011-04-05 14:52:49 <topi`> so the difference between current and next difficulty corresponds to the amount of extra GFLOPS of the computing grid, so to speak?
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2420 2011-04-05 14:53:03 <sipa> topi`: it's an approximation, but yes
2421 2011-04-05 14:53:06 <topi`> I mean, ppl keep on adding or improving calculation nodes
2422 2011-04-05 14:53:09 <sipa> see Http://bitcoin.sipa.be :)
2423 2011-04-05 14:53:33 <nathan7> hey, a Belgian.
2424 2011-04-05 14:53:57 <nathan7> [obligatory derogatory joke about Belgians because I live in Holland.]
2425 2011-04-05 14:54:17 <topi`> sipa: there's a strange dip in computing power in the 1st graph, why is that?
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2427 2011-04-05 14:54:37 <sipa> which graph, and where precisely?
2428 2011-04-05 14:55:42 <echelon> what's it like to live under the complete authority of the eu?
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2430 2011-04-05 14:56:37 <eps2> if we are hating on belgians don't forget to mention kiddy fiddling
2431 2011-04-05 14:57:39 <krytzz> wont matter in the future, with bitcoin states will evaporate anyway :p
2432 2011-04-05 14:57:43 <echelon> lol
2433 2011-04-05 14:57:54 <topi`> sipa: any of the first 3 graphs. there's a dip beginning at 5th of march
2434 2011-04-05 14:58:10 <topi`> or actually that's just one huge spike
2435 2011-04-05 14:58:24 <sipa> yes, a spike
2436 2011-04-05 14:58:37 <sipa> that spike is the "Mystery Miner" as he's been called here
2437 2011-04-05 14:58:51 <echelon> the nsa?
2438 2011-04-05 14:58:51 <topi`> ah, the guy who was supposed to have a botnet or something like that
2439 2011-04-05 14:58:57 <sipa> yes
2440 2011-04-05 14:59:18 <krytzz> haha interesting
2441 2011-04-05 14:59:20 <sipa> 16:53:29 < echelon> what's it like to live under the complete authority of the eu?   --> we don't even have a government ;)
2442 2011-04-05 14:59:32 <JFK911> lol
2443 2011-04-05 14:59:37 <JFK911> marc dutroux destroyed the government
2444 2011-04-05 14:59:43 <echelon> no, you have no sovereignty
2445 2011-04-05 14:59:55 <echelon> a national gov't would be the only thing to protect you from the eu
2446 2011-04-05 15:01:09 <sipa> the EU can pass laws that need to be converted to national laws still
2447 2011-04-05 15:01:24 <sipa> or regulations, or whatever the terminology
2448 2011-04-05 15:01:44 <sipa> i'm not sure to what extent that is even possible without a real government
2449 2011-04-05 15:01:49 <echelon> you have no local representation, so you can't oppose any rulings passed down from the eu
2450 2011-04-05 15:02:52 <sipa> of course we do - we have EU parliament members, and the old prime minister is still a member of the EU top
2451 2011-04-05 15:02:57 <Blitzboom> ;;bc,stats
2452 2011-04-05 15:03:01 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116879 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 48 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 hours, 15 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 81893.44570502
2453 2011-04-05 15:03:12 <Blitzboom> hmm
2454 2011-04-05 15:04:08 <sipa> and the president of the european council is also a belgian ;)
2455 2011-04-05 15:04:23 <echelon> it's still up to the member state to decide whether or not to enforce eu decisions
2456 2011-04-05 15:05:16 <topi`> for what I know, there's plenty of good beer in Belgium, government or not :)
2457 2011-04-05 15:05:25 <sipa> that's a fact :D
2458 2011-04-05 15:05:39 <echelon> did you listen to the rants by nigel farage? :)
2459 2011-04-05 15:05:52 <sipa> never heard of
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2461 2011-04-05 15:05:58 <echelon> :/
2462 2011-04-05 15:06:44 <echelon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gm9q8uabTs
2463 2011-04-05 15:07:54 <JFK911> trappistenbier #1
2464 2011-04-05 15:08:02 <JFK911> echt lekker
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2469 2011-04-05 15:15:11 <topi`> go nigel :DD
2470 2011-04-05 15:15:47 <echelon> ^_^
2471 2011-04-05 15:17:12 <echelon> need someone like him in washington
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2473 2011-04-05 15:18:46 <echelon> they have rand & ron paul, but they're not as outspoken and in your face
2474 2011-04-05 15:18:53 <grbgout> echelon: interesting video
2475 2011-04-05 15:20:03 * xelister watchec dead cat bouncing... problem?  ;)
2476 2011-04-05 15:20:13 <xelister> heh the mtgox prices are trolling us today :P
2477 2011-04-05 15:21:01 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,stats
2478 2011-04-05 15:21:03 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116881 | Current Difficulty: 68978.89245792 | Next Difficulty At Block: 116927 | Next Difficulty In: 46 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 hours, 59 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 81913.75038144
2479 2011-04-05 15:21:15 <[Tycho]> MM is back ? :)
2480 2011-04-05 15:23:38 <xelister> MM Is Back.  :-E
2481 2011-04-05 15:23:43 <xelister> FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFfuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
2482 2011-04-05 15:24:00 <da2ce7> :)
2483 2011-04-05 15:24:19 <[Tycho]> Why didn't he waited for difficulty step...
2484 2011-04-05 15:24:48 <Blitzboom> it’s MM? seriously?
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2486 2011-04-05 15:24:57 <da2ce7> MM?
2487 2011-04-05 15:25:06 <Blitzboom> mistery miner
2488 2011-04-05 15:25:17 <krytzz> why is he a mistery miner?
2489 2011-04-05 15:25:24 <krytzz> are all big other miners known here?
2490 2011-04-05 15:25:26 <Blitzboom> because he’s a mystery
2491 2011-04-05 15:26:50 <da2ce7> we should commision a play written about the MM, I pledge 5BTC
2492 2011-04-05 15:27:09 <[Tycho]> This one it especially unknown.
2493 2011-04-05 15:27:34 * da2ce7 has a look at sipa's sexy charts
2494 2011-04-05 15:28:15 <[Tycho]> Do they show IT ?
2495 2011-04-05 15:28:28 <da2ce7> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/ kinda
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2499 2011-04-05 15:31:55 <sipa> raulo had a chart with a separate line for MM's speed
2500 2011-04-05 15:32:48 <grbgout> Are those graphs made using the html canvas tag?
2501 2011-04-05 15:32:56 <grbgout> nope, n/m
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2504 2011-04-05 15:34:50 <[Tycho]> sipa, this may be another MM, less mysterious.
2505 2011-04-05 15:36:12 <sipa> grbgout: no, just png :D
2506 2011-04-05 15:36:26 <sipa> [Tycho]: ah yes, the NSMM!
2507 2011-04-05 15:36:26 <grbgout> sipa: yeah, I checked the source.  How are they generated? gnuplot?
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2509 2011-04-05 15:36:33 <sipa> yes, gnuplot
2510 2011-04-05 15:36:38 <grbgout> "NS" = not-same? :)
2511 2011-04-05 15:36:43 <sipa> the not-so-mysterious-miner
2512 2011-04-05 15:36:45 <grbgout> ah!
2513 2011-04-05 15:36:47 <grbgout> of course
2514 2011-04-05 15:36:54 <topi`> about getting sha256 support to python, does anyone know why my Ubuntu python can't load sha256 module? I checked that it exists in /usr/share/pyshared
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2516 2011-04-05 15:44:04 <eps2> so after this difficulty increase do you think there will be a drop next time?
2517 2011-04-05 15:44:19 <sipa> too soon to say
2518 2011-04-05 15:44:43 <eps2> basically do you think it has reached a point where the difficulty just fluctuates as opposed to rising for a long period?
2519 2011-04-05 15:44:51 <sipa> the rate seems generally climbing slowly
2520 2011-04-05 15:45:59 <lfm> I think its still climbing but the rate of climb may have dropped off for a while
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2527 2011-04-05 15:54:57 <fahadsadah> nathan7: Poke?
2528 2011-04-05 15:55:11 <nathan7> fahadsadah: peek
2529 2011-04-05 15:55:20 <fahadsadah> I'm -o
2530 2011-04-05 15:55:36 <nathan7> I accidentally did +O
2531 2011-04-05 15:55:40 <xelister> nathan7: Im -o >_>
2532 2011-04-05 15:56:02 <fahadsadah> Thanks, nathan
2533 2011-04-05 15:56:33 <fahadsadah> xelister: You asked wrong
2534 2011-04-05 15:56:41 <nathan7> xelister: I don't recall you ever being +o'd.
2535 2011-04-05 15:56:59 <xelister> I wasnt yet
2536 2011-04-05 15:57:04 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r335843b7a885 spesmilo/cashier.py: calculate median width of base58 chars, for sizeHint of address box http://tinyurl.com/635zany
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2542 2011-04-05 16:07:03 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * rf0383357944b spesmilo/cashier.py: resize for 640x480 (and hide unused Balance column) http://tinyurl.com/3q9of9c
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2544 2011-04-05 16:08:47 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: I think there's a problem with <gallery> on the wiki :/
2545 2011-04-05 16:08:52 <luke-jr> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Spesmilo
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2559 2011-04-05 16:19:17 <luke-jr> anyone care to localize Spesmilo into more languages? :P
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2565 2011-04-05 16:27:04 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r2c7b664b396c spesmilo/i18n/ (en_GB.ts eo_EO.ts): update i18n http://tinyurl.com/3rsqzbh
2566 2011-04-05 16:27:07 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r761df2e39b9c spesmilo/ (i18n/en_GB.ts i18n/eo_EO.ts main.py): localize --help http://tinyurl.com/3spexry
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2580 2011-04-05 16:38:17 <warpi> hello, does anyone know what the bitcoin client does when Im not generating any coins, am i still supporting the network?
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2582 2011-04-05 16:39:12 <luke-jr> warpi: yes, it still relays transactions and blocks to new peers
2583 2011-04-05 16:39:14 <phantomcircuit> warpi, it collects blocks/transactions and rebroadcasts them to other peers
2584 2011-04-05 16:39:34 <luke-jr> the p2p side of things
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2586 2011-04-05 16:40:00 <warpi> okay
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2589 2011-04-05 16:40:42 <warpi> but if everyone would just do this, and not generate any coins. would the network work then?
2590 2011-04-05 16:40:52 <warpi> its just that no bitcoins will be generated right?
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2598 2011-04-05 16:43:21 <luke-jr> warpi: no, the network wouldn't work
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2600 2011-04-05 16:43:28 <luke-jr> warpi: but that will never happen
2601 2011-04-05 16:43:41 <luke-jr> short of bitcoins being worthless
2602 2011-04-05 16:43:42 <warpi> luke-jr, why wouldnt it work?
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2608 2011-04-05 16:47:24 <phantomcircuit> warpi, i take it you have no idea how bitcoins works :P
2609 2011-04-05 16:47:39 <warpi> phantomcircuit, haha,, im trying to learn :)
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2611 2011-04-05 16:47:55 <warpi> there is no introductions for geeks :(
2612 2011-04-05 16:48:45 <phantomcircuit> lol
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2614 2011-04-05 16:48:58 <luke-jr> yes there is
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2617 2011-04-05 16:49:01 <luke-jr> it's called the paper
2618 2011-04-05 16:49:02 <dsg> warpi: Satoshi's paper?
2619 2011-04-05 16:49:04 <BlueMatt> warpi: google might help, there are a couple good podcasts
2620 2011-04-05 16:49:06 <phantomcircuit> warpi, http://www.bitcoin.org/sites/default/files/bitcoin.pdf
2621 2011-04-05 16:49:52 <grbgout> I thought the video on bitcoin.org was a fairly decent introduction, as was the rest of the site and FAQ.  Quite informative.
2622 2011-04-05 16:49:54 <JFK911> i can print bitcoins on paper?
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2624 2011-04-05 16:50:24 <[Tycho]> You can print paper on bitcoins.
2625 2011-04-05 16:51:40 <warpi> phantomcircuit, but,,, when i make a transaction, why does it require that people generate more coins to make it stick?
2626 2011-04-05 16:51:41 <gribble> Error: "," is not a valid command.
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2628 2011-04-05 16:52:47 <phantomcircuit> warpi, did you read the white paper?
2629 2011-04-05 16:52:56 <warpi> phantomcircuit, reading it now
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2632 2011-04-05 16:55:58 <Blitzboom> warpi: http://omegataupodcast.net/2011/03/59-bitcoin-a-digital-decentralized-currency/
2633 2011-04-05 16:56:01 <Blitzboom> really good explanation
2634 2011-04-05 16:56:45 <warpi> Blitzboom, thx
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2640 2011-04-05 17:07:32 <Spenvo> warpi: this is a great intro to bitcoin -- go to about the 35-40 min mark
2641 2011-04-05 17:07:39 <Spenvo> http://twit.tv/sn287
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2644 2011-04-05 17:12:09 <Halifag> 20.00 BTC Lost to some sort of VOID! HALP!
2645 2011-04-05 17:12:15 <Halifag> http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6212/screenshot20110405at124.png
2646 2011-04-05 17:12:21 <Halifag> http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/6212/screenshot20110405at124.png
2647 2011-04-05 17:12:37 <Halifag> My main concern right now is getting the 20.00 BTC that is trapped in said block chain. MULTIPLE client restarts have slowly increased the block count, but only in small, incremental factors and I'd be here until 3 fucking AM restarting the damn thing if I wanted it to finish that way...
2648 2011-04-05 17:12:37 <Halifag> There's NO GOOD reason for this to be happening... The transaction record at blockexplorer.com shows it as received.
2649 2011-04-05 17:12:47 <Halifag> Here are instructions I found for re-downloading the blockchain:
2650 2011-04-05 17:12:47 <Halifag> Quote
2651 2011-04-05 17:12:47 <Halifag> * close the Bitcoin client
2652 2011-04-05 17:12:47 <Halifag>  * in Finder, open Library/Application Support/Bitcoin inside your home
2653 2011-04-05 17:12:48 <Halifag>  directory
2654 2011-04-05 17:12:48 <Halifag>  * copy the file wallet.dat to a safe place (don't move it, just copy
2655 2011-04-05 17:12:49 <Halifag>  it)
2656 2011-04-05 17:12:49 <Halifag>  * delete all other files in this directory (NOT wallet.dat)
2657 2011-04-05 17:12:50 <Halifag>  * restart the Bitcoin client
2658 2011-04-05 17:12:50 <Halifag> The client will show 0 blocks and will start downloading the blockchain
2659 2011-04-05 17:12:51 <Halifag> again.  Once your block count matches the one at bitcionwatch.com your
2660 2011-04-05 17:12:51 <Halifag> coins will appear in the balance.
2661 2011-04-05 17:12:52 <Halifag> I followed these instructions, still no success. I'm beginning to become very exasperated at the idea that bitcoin has LOST this $13 US of my money forever.
2662 2011-04-05 17:12:52 <Halifag> If anyone has a clue how I can recover it, please let me know...
2663 2011-04-05 17:12:58 <tcatm> Halifag: stop generating until your blockcount is at least ;;bc,blocks
2664 2011-04-05 17:13:04 <tcatm> ;;bc,blocks
2665 2011-04-05 17:13:04 <gribble> 116898
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2667 2011-04-05 17:13:31 <Halifag> ;;bc,blocks?
2668 2011-04-05 17:13:31 <gribble> Error: "bc,blocks?" is not a valid command.
2669 2011-04-05 17:13:33 <Halifag> what the hell is that
2670 2011-04-05 17:13:55 <tcatm> a command to the bot to show the block count (116898)
2671 2011-04-05 17:13:57 <Halifag> so yeah, i tried deleting all files in the app support dir except wallet.dat
2672 2011-04-05 17:13:58 <Halifag> no use
2673 2011-04-05 17:14:32 <Halifag> tcatm: how do I get it to 'stop generating'? i don't seem to see an option for that on the os x client
2674 2011-04-05 17:14:45 <phantomcircuit> Halifag, ./bitcoin -rescan
2675 2011-04-05 17:15:16 <Halifag> while it is running?
2676 2011-04-05 17:15:29 <tcatm> Halifag: menubar -> settings -> generate coins
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2678 2011-04-05 17:16:12 <Halifag> doesn't show up
2679 2011-04-05 17:16:19 <Halifag> Only "Main" does
2680 2011-04-05 17:16:36 <Halifag> it's a binary someone made for os x, doesn't have complete support for the preference panel
2681 2011-04-05 17:17:10 <midnightmagic> looks like a generated block. why are you saying you only lost 20.0BTC?
2682 2011-04-05 17:17:19 <phantomcircuit> Halifag, wait so you have a generated block or a transaction?
2683 2011-04-05 17:17:28 <phantomcircuit> those screenshots imply a generated block
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2686 2011-04-05 17:18:06 <Halifag> sorry, those were taken before i deleted all but the wallet.dat file
2687 2011-04-05 17:18:13 <midnightmagic> Halifag: hey. what's the transaction number?
2688 2011-04-05 17:18:17 <Halifag> i dunno, i thought i had a transaction
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2690 2011-04-05 17:18:45 <Halifag> midnightmagic: http://blockexplorer.com/rawtx/5cde5c81179445218e0963b9c8652027bb72ea193ff8dd16cfc564657b1a1333
2691 2011-04-05 17:19:24 <tcatm> Halifag: try running with bitcoin -rescan -addnode=173.255.224.227
2692 2011-04-05 17:20:26 <midnightmagic> Halifag: well don't delete your wallet. looks like it's fine. your bitcoin just hasn't recognised that the coins are in your address: but the last few chars match up, so.. assuming this is your address:  1D7Zjogj8GV3qvLoDwiA9qjZ97sZZPzanp, then you're fine, and there's no money lost.
2693 2011-04-05 17:21:35 <midnightmagic> except..  how do you know that the coins are lost?
2694 2011-04-05 17:21:37 <Halifag> block count is going up yay!
2695 2011-04-05 17:21:47 <Halifag> I didn't,
2696 2011-04-05 17:21:50 <Halifag> i was just very concerned
2697 2011-04-05 17:21:53 <Halifag> first time using bitcoin
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2700 2011-04-05 17:22:03 <Halifag> 130blocks and counting
2701 2011-04-05 17:22:17 <Halifag> thank you guys so much
2702 2011-04-05 17:22:21 <midnightmagic> well no worries, just be patient and once your block count hits.. 116876 you should "own" the coins and you can spend them after that.
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2707 2011-04-05 17:25:35 <Halifag> oops, looks like i might have spoken too soon
2708 2011-04-05 17:25:40 <Halifag> it's now stalled at 428
2709 2011-04-05 17:25:49 <Halifag> not sure what to do to make it progress from here, now :/
2710 2011-04-05 17:26:07 <grbgout> It can take a while.
2711 2011-04-05 17:26:13 <Halifag> God damnit i truly hope i don't need to go through this bullshit when using bitcoin in the future
2712 2011-04-05 17:26:14 <Halifag> how long?!
2713 2011-04-05 17:26:20 <Halifag> this isn't even $15
2714 2011-04-05 17:26:31 <Halifag> christ
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2716 2011-04-05 17:26:34 * grbgout shrugs.  I didn't monitor how long mine took, but I remember reading somewhere about 30 minutes on the low end.
2717 2011-04-05 17:26:48 <Halifag> does it increase with the amount?
2718 2011-04-05 17:26:52 <Halifag> on the low end fuck me
2719 2011-04-05 17:26:52 <grbgout> to download the full blockchain.
2720 2011-04-05 17:27:02 <Halifag> i mean with the amount being transferred
2721 2011-04-05 17:27:10 <midnightmagic> Halifag: if you're downloading the whole block chain, it's going to take awhile.
2722 2011-04-05 17:27:52 <midnightmagic> Halifag: well don't delete your blockchain next time and you won't have to. the block chain only needs to download once. or, if you aren't connected for a while, just the bits that it doesn't know about yet
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2724 2011-04-05 17:28:17 <Halifag> what makes you assume I deleted my blockchain?
2725 2011-04-05 17:28:33 <Halifag> if it's this easy to accidentally delete it, I suspect something's off!
2726 2011-04-05 17:28:44 <midnightmagic> Halifag: Here are instructions I found for re-downloading the blockchain:
2727 2011-04-05 17:29:07 <midnightmagic> and then you're describing a scenario where you are re-downloading the blockchain.
2728 2011-04-05 17:29:18 <Halifag> ....I was having problems retrieving the money before I resorted to that step
2729 2011-04-05 17:29:23 <midnightmagic> so I concluded you followed those instructions and deleted everything but your wallet.
2730 2011-04-05 17:29:27 <grbgout> Halifag: uh, you told us you deleted everything except your wallet.  No one is assuming anything.
2731 2011-04-05 17:29:28 <Halifag> which my merchant provided me with in the hopes it would re-initiate the download
2732 2011-04-05 17:30:00 <Halifag> guys, it wasn't downloading the block chain to begin with
2733 2011-04-05 17:30:12 <Halifag> at no point before I deleted those files was the block count nonzero
2734 2011-04-05 17:30:14 <phantomcircuit> i literally have no idea what he's talking about
2735 2011-04-05 17:30:32 <Halifag> ....
2736 2011-04-05 17:30:34 <nevezen> hehe
2737 2011-04-05 17:30:52 <midnightmagic> Halifag: in that case, you'll just have to wait. your "coins" will be yours the moment your client knows about block 116876.
2738 2011-04-05 17:31:15 <xelister> Halifag:  not 20, 50
2739 2011-04-05 17:31:20 <Halifag> I'm saying that before i carried out the instructions my (similarly baffled) merchant gave me for re-initiating the blockchain download, it wasn't downloading. Ever.
2740 2011-04-05 17:31:22 <midnightmagic> Halifag: i'm pretty sure eastlink doesn't block irc traffic.
2741 2011-04-05 17:31:27 <xelister> Halifag: you lost 50 btc due to being offline while minnig? sucks
2742 2011-04-05 17:31:33 <midnightmagic> xelister: the transaction in the named block is only for 20฿
2743 2011-04-05 17:31:41 <xelister> O_o
2744 2011-04-05 17:31:42 <Halifag> so saying its my fault for deleting the blockchain is just not true
2745 2011-04-05 17:31:58 <midnightmagic> Halifag: nobody said it was your fault. there's no fault because nothing's wrong.
2746 2011-04-05 17:32:48 <Halifag> offline.. does that mean the client briefly dissconnected?
2747 2011-04-05 17:32:59 <Halifag> or something like that
2748 2011-04-05 17:33:29 <Halifag> Ugh..at the rate it's downloading, it'll likely take two or three days...
2749 2011-04-05 17:34:00 <idnar> I have to say that downloading the block chain initially can be a rather tedious process, especially if your internet connectivity isn't awesome
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2751 2011-04-05 17:34:13 <idnar> and I guess it's only going to get worse in future as the block chain grows
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2753 2011-04-05 17:34:32 <grbgout> isn't there an archive available for download to expedite the process?
2754 2011-04-05 17:35:05 <grbgout> Or if there isn't, perhaps there should be: torrent based, or something
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2756 2011-04-05 17:35:35 <xelister> Halifag: I can sell you the blockchain for 3 btc >_>
2757 2011-04-05 17:35:42 <xelister> Halifag: on fast server
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2760 2011-04-05 17:37:32 <Halifag> what a useless currency
2761 2011-04-05 17:37:33 <Halifag> it deletes your money, and then the people supposed to help you fix it offer to accept bribes to sell it back to you
2762 2011-04-05 17:37:34 <Halifag> fuck you
2763 2011-04-05 17:37:45 <JFK911> are you mad
2764 2011-04-05 17:38:02 <Halifag> :p
2765 2011-04-05 17:38:55 <grbgout> eh, technically speaking, no one in here is /supposed/ to do anything.  Those who have been trying to have been doing so solely out of courtesy. xelister is a known antagonist.
2766 2011-04-05 17:38:56 <lfm> Halifag: who is it you think is "supposed to help you"? no one has that job that I have ever heard of.
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2768 2011-04-05 17:41:30 <idnar> so, does 0 confirmations mean that the transaction hasn't been included in a block yet, or that it is present in the very last block in the chain?
2769 2011-04-05 17:41:49 <lfm> the first guess
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2771 2011-04-05 17:42:19 <grbgout> I thought confirmations were a representation of the TX propagation through the network, but I /still/ haven't read the white paper =X
2772 2011-04-05 17:42:25 <Halifag> Oh pardon me, the only people with a snowball's chance in hell of helping you
2773 2011-04-05 17:43:28 <lfm> if you HAVE lost your money, odds are no one can get it back for you
2774 2011-04-05 17:43:41 <Halifag> again, what a useless currency
2775 2011-04-05 17:44:03 <grbgout> Sounds like a short between the keyboard and the chair.
2776 2011-04-05 17:44:16 <midnightmagic> you haven't lost your money, geez.
2777 2011-04-05 17:44:45 <lfm> well what would you tell someone who burned a $100 bill? Oh let me help you find it again?
2778 2011-04-05 17:45:04 <midnightmagic> oh come on, no money has been lost, he never deleted his wallet.
2779 2011-04-05 17:45:07 <xelister> grbgout: antagonist.. lol what?
2780 2011-04-05 17:45:23 <grbgout> xelister: I calls'em like I sees'em ;D
2781 2011-04-05 17:45:39 <xelister> grbgout: do I look like mother**** mother teresa to you. Im already donating to open source projects
2782 2011-04-05 17:45:45 <xelister> :)
2783 2011-04-05 17:45:49 <grbgout> :)
2784 2011-04-05 17:46:06 <grbgout> you're missing three asterisks in your censorship.
2785 2011-04-05 17:46:31 <xelister> Halifag: I got full chain.  you jelly?  :D
2786 2011-04-05 17:46:52 <Halifag> lfm: I wasn't aware that the service was supposed to function that way
2787 2011-04-05 17:47:00 <Halifag> certainly not advertised as such
2788 2011-04-05 17:47:06 <Halifag> as a money-burning service, that is
2789 2011-04-05 17:47:09 <xelister> Halifag: then sue us
2790 2011-04-05 17:47:21 <grbgout> It doesn't function that way, at all.
2791 2011-04-05 17:47:23 <midnightmagic> Halifag: oh come on, no money has been lost, you never deleted your wallet.
2792 2011-04-05 17:48:02 <xelister> Halifag: turn off node,   backup wallet file,  restart and wait.  or reinstall, then import (copy back) the wallet and try again
2793 2011-04-05 17:48:06 <lfm> Halifag: if you only deleted the blk chain files then you just have to wait for it to come back
2794 2011-04-05 17:48:12 <x6763> Halifag: if you still have your wallet.dat, you still have your money
2795 2011-04-05 17:48:31 <grbgout> All of this has already been explained to him.
2796 2011-04-05 17:48:51 <Halifag> what an excellent scam yall are running
2797 2011-04-05 17:48:59 <Halifag> how much do you skim off the top of each transaction
2798 2011-04-05 17:49:01 <Halifag> jews
2799 2011-04-05 17:49:10 <WakiMiko_> probably a troll
2800 2011-04-05 17:49:12 <JFK911> yup we're scamming
2801 2011-04-05 17:49:19 <grbgout> WakiMiko_: clearly a troll, I would say.
2802 2011-04-05 17:49:20 <x6763> your client doesn't know you still have the money until it catches up on the block chain (because your wallet is storing ecdsa key pairs that allow you to spend the money in the block chain..it does not store coins..if that's confusing, read the bitcoin whitepaper)
2803 2011-04-05 17:49:34 <grbgout> x6763: don't waste your time.
2804 2011-04-05 17:49:49 <xelister> Halifag:  in USA gov prints/inflates money how they wish, commiting massmurder/wars to try to get it not worthless... AND if you would drop 25 cents to the drain cannal, you don't expect fellow people not even being the governemnt to jump around try to hope you. But of course you can count on our help same as IRL. E.g. now Im suprt bussy so I would help more for money, at other times I might help for free, your (buyer) choice :)
2805 2011-04-05 17:50:21 <midnightmagic> Halifag == farzong?
2806 2011-04-05 17:50:35 <grbgout> who's that?
2807 2011-04-05 17:51:01 <midnightmagic> multi-account troll came in a while back, also possibly east-coaster.
2808 2011-04-05 17:51:06 <x6763> midnightmagic: he's here, but under a different name (and a few others in other channels)
2809 2011-04-05 17:51:19 <midnightmagic> became pretty threatening actually, verbally abusive.
2810 2011-04-05 17:51:20 <Halifag> xellster, so what you're saying is that you're happy from an ethical perspective to run a money-burning operation as long as you can successfully dupe some people into giving you some money to burn so that you can first skim some off the top?
2811 2011-04-05 17:51:31 <x6763> not sure who Halifag is
2812 2011-04-05 17:51:31 <Halifag> then offer to accept bribes ?
2813 2011-04-05 17:51:37 <Halifag> you are FUCKED
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2815 2011-04-05 17:51:39 <Halifag> FUCKED UP
2816 2011-04-05 17:51:52 <WakiMiko_> ok
2817 2011-04-05 17:51:53 <xelister> what bribes?
2818 2011-04-05 17:52:00 <grbgout> Based on his blatent twisting of facts and words, he's clearly just trolling.
2819 2011-04-05 17:52:00 <xelister> Im not a government officiall on a dudty
2820 2011-04-05 17:52:06 <xelister> and you're not a citizen paying taxes to me
2821 2011-04-05 17:52:10 <xelister> what bribe? lol. it's a trade
2822 2011-04-05 17:52:19 <lfm> Offering services for pay is not "bribes"
2823 2011-04-05 17:52:29 <midnightmagic> well he probably does own that transaction, and he seems to have some screenshots that match..?
2824 2011-04-05 17:52:33 <grbgout> according to his host, he's on the west coast.
2825 2011-04-05 17:52:45 <midnightmagic> eastlink is east coast.
2826 2011-04-05 17:52:51 <midnightmagic> and halifax is served by eastlink.
2827 2011-04-05 17:53:14 <midnightmagic> half my family is from there.
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2829 2011-04-05 17:53:37 <Halifag> what do you goobers care if i'm trolling at this point
2830 2011-04-05 17:53:55 <midnightmagic> Halifag: because it's unpleasant and childish.
2831 2011-04-05 17:54:01 <Halifag> you're all obviously resigned to the fact that I don't have any guarantee of not losing my money to a void if I use bitcoin
2832 2011-04-05 17:54:22 <Halifag> midnightmagic: losing $13 for no reason is pretty unpleasant too
2833 2011-04-05 17:54:25 <grbgout> and you're obviously ignoring every effort midnightmagic has made to assure you your money has not been lost.
2834 2011-04-05 17:54:28 <Halifag> it might even drive a person to
2835 2011-04-05 17:54:28 <midnightmagic> Halifag: your money isn't gone.
2836 2011-04-05 17:54:30 <Halifag> GAASP
2837 2011-04-05 17:54:31 <Halifag> troll
2838 2011-04-05 17:55:03 <midnightmagic> Halifag: trolling isn't what you're doing. Trolling is subtle and impressive. What you're doing is just childish and whiney.
2839 2011-04-05 17:55:09 <lfm> Halifag: You're right. The software is not foolproof. Obviouly a fool can screw it up.
2840 2011-04-05 17:55:16 * grbgout chuckles
2841 2011-04-05 17:55:37 <Blitzboom> people who don’t trust themselves not to lose their money should use e-wallets
2842 2011-04-05 17:55:44 <Halifag> again, not bothered by what you think i'm doing
2843 2011-04-05 17:55:49 <Halifag> mostly bothered by having lost money
2844 2011-04-05 17:55:51 <Halifag> christ
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2846 2011-04-05 17:56:23 <midnightmagic> Halifag: not really the place to whine like a child..
2847 2011-04-05 17:56:35 <JFK911> you aren't explaining yourself very coherently, and who knows what client you got
2848 2011-04-05 17:56:36 <Halifag> I used coinpal to add what i thought would be 20 BTC to my wallet, but somehow the client must have disconnected during the initial blockchain download, and that makes me a fool?
2849 2011-04-05 17:56:43 <Halifag> ig uess that also makes your software a hunk of shit
2850 2011-04-05 17:56:58 <midnightmagic> here, have an arrowroot..
2851 2011-04-05 17:57:07 <Halifag> the top-dmg link on google for "bitcoin mac"
2852 2011-04-05 17:57:08 <Halifag> durrrr
2853 2011-04-05 17:57:24 <grbgout> Halifag: what makes you a fool is ignoring everyone's explanation that your money is not lost, and throwing a tempertantrum about this supposed lost money.
2854 2011-04-05 17:57:24 <JFK911> have no idea what that is
2855 2011-04-05 17:57:27 <JFK911> hope you got a trojan
2856 2011-04-05 17:57:32 <JFK911> you're pretty rude.
2857 2011-04-05 17:57:35 <lfm> Oh, you're a mac user? facinating
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2860 2011-04-05 17:57:52 <JFK911> i hope russians are logging all your keystrokes, and find out your bank details and where you live
2861 2011-04-05 17:58:21 <Halifag> grbgout, sorry, that subtlety was somehow lost in your message about it not being foolproof, etc..
2862 2011-04-05 17:58:31 <Halifag> MY BAD
2863 2011-04-05 17:58:44 <x6763> Halifag: what makes you think you lost money?
2864 2011-04-05 17:58:50 <grbgout> Halifag: I never said anything about it.  Others did.
2865 2011-04-05 17:59:03 <Halifag> not keeping track
2866 2011-04-05 17:59:09 * Halifag shrugs
2867 2011-04-05 17:59:28 <Halifag> x
2868 2011-04-05 17:59:28 <Halifag> x6763, hmmm let's see....
2869 2011-04-05 17:59:31 <Halifag> a balance of 0
2870 2011-04-05 17:59:34 <Halifag> yup, that was it
2871 2011-04-05 17:59:40 <grbgout> exactly, you're throwing a fit about something you perceive to have happened, and refuse to listen to those who were trying to reassure you that all was well.  You're inept.
2872 2011-04-05 17:59:41 <lfm> not paying attention, just like what got him into trouble in the first place
2873 2011-04-05 18:00:04 * grbgout hugs /ignore
2874 2011-04-05 18:00:05 <Halifag> gr, i'm listening pretty closely
2875 2011-04-05 18:00:13 <grbgout> Halifag: you clearly aren't.  Last message.
2876 2011-04-05 18:00:18 <x6763> Halifag: so this seems to stem from a misunderstanding of how the client works, since if you still have your wallet.dat file, your balance will change as it downloads the block chain
2877 2011-04-05 18:00:18 <Halifag> trouble is all you guys have to offer is insults and to accept bribes
2878 2011-04-05 18:00:25 <midnightmagic> Halifag: would you like a sippie cup half-full of homo milk?
2879 2011-04-05 18:00:26 <Halifag> no reassurance to be had here at all
2880 2011-04-05 18:00:56 <lfm> now are you "listening pretty closely" or are you " not keeping track" you cant really have it both ways
2881 2011-04-05 18:00:58 <x6763> Halifag: if the client does not have the history of transactions (the block chain), it does not know how much money you have
2882 2011-04-05 18:01:18 <Halifag> x6763, i suspect this is a difference between how the client behaves on different platforms
2883 2011-04-05 18:01:30 <Halifag> why does your first assuption always have to be that it's me that's make the mistake
2884 2011-04-05 18:01:32 <Halifag> balance has never changed
2885 2011-04-05 18:01:35 <midnightmagic> Halifag: I can arrange a ride in a stroller if you like?
2886 2011-04-05 18:01:36 <Halifag> regardless of block count
2887 2011-04-05 18:01:43 <x6763> Halifag: once it finishes downloading the block chain, it will have the entire transaction history, and it can check your wallet.dat file for your bitcoin addresses and see how much money has been sent to you
2888 2011-04-05 18:01:46 <Halifag> only if you suck my cock too
2889 2011-04-05 18:02:06 <grbgout> x6763: stop wasting your time, all of what you've just said was explained to him when he first got here.
2890 2011-04-05 18:02:31 <midnightmagic> wah wah, baby wants a cookie nooooowww..
2891 2011-04-05 18:02:47 <Halifag> i thought i wasn't trolling
2892 2011-04-05 18:02:50 <lfm> ya, he's got some wimpy mac on a modem and cant accept it will be slow
2893 2011-04-05 18:02:54 <Halifag> because i'm pretty sure those are the responses a troll gets
2894 2011-04-05 18:02:57 <Halifag> goobers
2895 2011-04-05 18:03:33 <midnightmagic> lol
2896 2011-04-05 18:04:02 <grbgout> Man, you guys need to be far more liberal with your /ignore wielding.
2897 2011-04-05 18:04:18 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: can you add Digest authentication to your pool server?
2898 2011-04-05 18:04:36 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: I am adding to bitcoind and my pool server, to avoid sending passwords in each HTTP request
2899 2011-04-05 18:05:08 <Halifag> grbgout actually has a clue how not to be trolled
2900 2011-04-05 18:05:13 <Halifag> the rest of you are hapless morons
2901 2011-04-05 18:06:13 <midnightmagic> Halifag: saying it is so does not make it so, whiner.
2902 2011-04-05 18:06:24 <Halifag> lmaooooo
2903 2011-04-05 18:06:58 <midnightmagic> see? disproportionate hysterical response. he's right pissed he doesn't have his coins to spend.. lol
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2907 2011-04-05 18:07:29 <grbgout> "<midnightmagic> see?" Nope. /ignore
2908 2011-04-05 18:07:43 <grbgout> genjix: eh. your client is doing the host-cycle again/still.
2909 2011-04-05 18:07:47 <Halifag> or you're pissed you dedicate your hours to a useless persuit
2910 2011-04-05 18:07:55 <midnightmagic> the laugh is "proof" he doesn't have an emotional investment, and thereby demonstrates he does.
2911 2011-04-05 18:07:59 <genjix> grbgout: thanks...
2912 2011-04-05 18:08:05 <grbgout> np
2913 2011-04-05 18:08:24 <Halifag> mid, funny, you mean like how your deconstruction of it shows yours in the same way? :p
2914 2011-04-05 18:08:26 <Halifag> faggot
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2916 2011-04-05 18:09:48 <midnightmagic> Halifag: I know you are but what am I? Srsly? That's your response? What are you, 12?
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2918 2011-04-05 18:11:31 <midnightmagic> gribble should be able to vote-kick from gpg-authenticated members.
2919 2011-04-05 18:12:04 <JFK911> yes please
2920 2011-04-05 18:12:09 <x6763> midnightmagic: i think i like that idea
2921 2011-04-05 18:12:21 <grbgout> midnightmagic: or instead of gpg-authenticated, how about a BTC address people can send money to for kickingp people.
2922 2011-04-05 18:12:26 <grbgout> pay-to-kick
2923 2011-04-05 18:12:42 <x6763> haha
2924 2011-04-05 18:12:58 <Blitzboom> hahaha
2925 2011-04-05 18:13:00 <Blitzboom> nice
2926 2011-04-05 18:13:08 <Blitzboom> so who gets the money?
2927 2011-04-05 18:13:12 <grbgout> e.g. if the voting doesn't go well, someone can drop 10BTC to kick the person
2928 2011-04-05 18:13:28 <grbgout> Blitzboom: I would say that depends on the room.
2929 2011-04-05 18:13:35 <grbgout> since we're in -dev, it would go to support bitcoin.org
2930 2011-04-05 18:13:37 <Blitzboom> the bot’s operator?
2931 2011-04-05 18:13:45 <grbgout> I would base it on the channel.
2932 2011-04-05 18:13:46 <Blitzboom> i say redirect it to the faucet
2933 2011-04-05 18:13:50 <midnightmagic> goes into a pool and when it's big enough, nanotube sends us an ounce of gold.
2934 2011-04-05 18:13:52 <grbgout> that could work too
2935 2011-04-05 18:14:00 <grbgout> lol
2936 2011-04-05 18:14:01 <Blitzboom> midnightmagic: ha, that’d be cool too
2937 2011-04-05 18:14:03 <grbgout> I meant the faucet idea
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2940 2011-04-05 18:27:13 <nathan7> grbgout: No, it goes to me.
2941 2011-04-05 18:27:30 <grbgout> nathan7: okay, but only if I can get a cut.
2942 2011-04-05 18:27:34 <nathan7> I'm an op, and I have the last word, damnit
2943 2011-04-05 18:27:48 <nathan7> *ahem*
2944 2011-04-05 18:28:12 <grbgout> :)
2945 2011-04-05 18:28:18 * midnightmagic points at the spot in the /kick door where Halifag would've fit very nicely.
2946 2011-04-05 18:28:32 <grbgout> midnightmagic: "would have"?  He's gone?
2947 2011-04-05 18:28:49 <midnightmagic> yeah, but only because he left.
2948 2011-04-05 18:28:54 * grbgout nods
2949 2011-04-05 18:29:11 <midnightmagic> i'd pay monthly fees to an active kicking op. :)
2950 2011-04-05 18:29:16 <grbgout> lol
2951 2011-04-05 18:29:32 <grbgout> would there be kick-quotas, like the police have for tickets?
2952 2011-04-05 18:29:37 <nathan7> :D
2953 2011-04-05 18:29:45 <midnightmagic> haha awesome.
2954 2011-04-05 18:29:50 * nathan7 actually never used his op superpowers
2955 2011-04-05 18:29:52 * grbgout thinks quotas are bad!
2956 2011-04-05 18:29:59 <nathan7> pay me and I'll be your BOFH
2957 2011-04-05 18:30:11 <grbgout> hehe
2958 2011-04-05 18:30:52 <midnightmagic> i thought i did? :)
2959 2011-04-05 18:33:24 <phantomcircuit> midnightmagic, that's a good idea
2960 2011-04-05 18:33:29 <phantomcircuit> kick by bitcoin payment
2961 2011-04-05 18:34:25 <grbgout> hey! that was my idea >_<
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2964 2011-04-05 18:34:48 <phantomcircuit> grbgout, yes but the way he says it is so much better
2965 2011-04-05 18:34:48 <phantomcircuit> xD
2966 2011-04-05 18:35:00 <grbgout> phantomcircuit: you mean monthly payments to an op?
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2969 2011-04-05 18:41:42 <nathan7> midnightmagic: Good point.
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2972 2011-04-05 18:41:56 <grbgout> lol
2973 2011-04-05 18:41:57 <nathan7> :/
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2983 2011-04-05 19:06:00 <[Tycho]> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/24/ripa_jfl/
2984 2011-04-05 19:06:14 Strom- is now known as Strom
2985 2011-04-05 19:12:21 <jgarzik> excuse my language, but, bitcoin's locking is a fucking mess
2986 2011-04-05 19:13:56 <midnightmagic> nathan7: ah just to be completely clear, I was 100% kidding around. I was just happy to be joining the ฿ mining effort and wanted to spread some coins around is all. :)
2987 2011-04-05 19:14:06 <nathan7> midnightmagic: Mhm
2988 2011-04-05 19:14:10 <nathan7> I still have them, I think
2989 2011-04-05 19:14:40 <nathan7> I'm afraid to spend them because I can't mine anymore
2990 2011-04-05 19:16:41 <sipa> jgarzik: it's better than manually calling pthread_mutex_lock and the likes :)
2991 2011-04-05 19:16:42 <krytzz> jgarzik: unix locking is a fucking mess as well
2992 2011-04-05 19:16:46 <grbgout> nathan7: why can't you mine anymore?
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2994 2011-04-05 19:17:46 <CalumMc> #bitcoin-dev
2995 2011-04-05 19:18:13 <jgarzik> sipa: not really
2996 2011-04-05 19:18:21 <jgarzik> sipa: locking data is preferable to locking code
2997 2011-04-05 19:18:27 Stellar has quit (2!~Stellar@110.137.123.54|Quit: Signed)
2998 2011-04-05 19:19:10 <sipa> CalumMc: that's here!
2999 2011-04-05 19:19:26 <CalumMc> hello
3000 2011-04-05 19:19:31 <CalumMc> whats here?
3001 2011-04-05 19:19:38 <sipa> #bitcoin-dev
3002 2011-04-05 19:19:47 <CalumMc> ah, sorry
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3004 2011-04-05 19:20:31 <sipa> jgarzik: it still seems more structured this way
3005 2011-04-05 19:20:47 <jgarzik> sipa: trust me, it's not ;-)
3006 2011-04-05 19:20:48 <CalumMc> just pasted that accidentally
3007 2011-04-05 19:21:09 <CalumMc> Myckel: are you here?
3008 2011-04-05 19:21:16 <jgarzik> sipa: it is hell to debug, and I've debugged plenty of obscure locking problems in my time (linux kernel is massively multi-threaded...)
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3010 2011-04-05 19:22:03 <sipa> i'm sure you did :)
3011 2011-04-05 19:23:45 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, lol
3012 2011-04-05 19:23:55 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, code is being locked?
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3014 2011-04-05 19:24:16 <phantomcircuit> i have a lock for accessing the db
3015 2011-04-05 19:24:21 <phantomcircuit> which is actually dumb
3016 2011-04-05 19:24:56 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: that's the model bitcoin uses
3017 2011-04-05 19:25:00 <jgarzik> :/
3018 2011-04-05 19:25:06 <grbgout> The code is locked, as in the source code?  Isn't part of the blockchain, or something, encoded into the source to maintain integrity across releases?
3019 2011-04-05 19:25:23 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, isn't bitcoind using bdb
3020 2011-04-05 19:25:23 <jgarzik> grbgout: we're talking about something totally different
3021 2011-04-05 19:25:27 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: yes
3022 2011-04-05 19:25:28 <grbgout> jgarzik: alright
3023 2011-04-05 19:25:31 <grbgout> jgarzik: that's why I asked.
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3025 2011-04-05 19:25:44 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, does bdb handle concurrent access itself?
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3029 2011-04-05 19:26:04 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: the locks are for all the data structures it keeps in memory, which tend to shadow dbd data
3030 2011-04-05 19:26:08 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: oh, you mean generally?
3031 2011-04-05 19:26:13 <phantomcircuit> yeah
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3034 2011-04-05 19:26:27 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: yes, it is built for concurrent MT and MP access.  You just gotta set the right flags and such.
3035 2011-04-05 19:26:34 <Solal> hello
3036 2011-04-05 19:26:40 <Solal> I am new in bitcoin
3037 2011-04-05 19:26:44 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: I know the C API very well, but don't know the python API
3038 2011-04-05 19:26:44 <Solal> I ahve installed the server
3039 2011-04-05 19:26:55 <Solal> but it was installed in french and I would like to have it in english
3040 2011-04-05 19:27:01 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, yeah im using sqlite3
3041 2011-04-05 19:27:04 <Solal> can someone help and tell how to change the language ?
3042 2011-04-05 19:27:05 <luke-jr> Solal: servers don't have languages -.-
3043 2011-04-05 19:27:14 <Solal> the apps...lukejr
3044 2011-04-05 19:27:18 <grbgout> jgarzik: is there documentation regarding the various APIs anywhere (other than the source, obviously)?
3045 2011-04-05 19:27:24 <luke-jr> Solal: I presume you mean the wx UI?
3046 2011-04-05 19:27:32 <Solal> luku-jr yes
3047 2011-04-05 19:28:04 <luke-jr> Solal: I would try setting LC_ALL=en and running it
3048 2011-04-05 19:28:23 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: file:///usr/share/doc/libdb-devel-5.0.26/programmer_reference/program_mt.html
3049 2011-04-05 19:28:25 <Solal> luke-jr euh......
3050 2011-04-05 19:28:29 <jgarzik> fsck...
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3052 2011-04-05 19:28:39 <luke-jr> lol jgarzik
3053 2011-04-05 19:28:59 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: http://download.oracle.com/docs/cd/E17276_01/html/programmer_reference/program_mt.html
3054 2011-04-05 19:29:15 <grbgout> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin seems to be mostly C++, which C api are you talking about?
3055 2011-04-05 19:29:35 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, your url is wrong the right one is file:///usr/share/doc/db-4.8.30/html/programmer_reference/program_mt.html
3056 2011-04-05 19:29:36 <phantomcircuit> ;)
3057 2011-04-05 19:29:40 <Solal> luke-jr can you be more specific for me
3058 2011-04-05 19:29:44 <jgarzik> :)
3059 2011-04-05 19:29:57 * grbgout chuckles
3060 2011-04-05 19:30:00 <luke-jr> grbgout: they're talkign about bdb itself, not bitcoin code
3061 2011-04-05 19:30:10 <grbgout> luke-jr: ah
3062 2011-04-05 19:30:13 <grbgout> luke-jr: that explains it
3063 2011-04-05 19:30:14 <luke-jr> Solal: no, I've never used it myself
3064 2011-04-05 19:30:25 <luke-jr> Solal: LC_ALL=en ./bitcoin
3065 2011-04-05 19:30:26 <Solal> luke-jr
3066 2011-04-05 19:30:32 <Solal> but where
3067 2011-04-05 19:30:38 <luke-jr> at your command prompt
3068 2011-04-05 19:30:39 <Solal> sorry
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3070 2011-04-05 19:30:43 <Solal> I am using windows
3071 2011-04-05 19:30:46 <luke-jr> oh
3072 2011-04-05 19:30:51 <luke-jr> good luck then XD
3073 2011-04-05 19:30:54 <Solal> that's why
3074 2011-04-05 19:30:58 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, btw that appears to be about threading within an application, i assume bdb cannot handle other applications accessing it's db simultaneously
3075 2011-04-05 19:31:05 <Solal> thanks anyway
3076 2011-04-05 19:31:05 <luke-jr> Solal: maybe reinstall?
3077 2011-04-05 19:31:07 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: sure it can
3078 2011-04-05 19:31:19 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: it supports MP as well as MT, as I noted
3079 2011-04-05 19:31:23 <phantomcircuit> oh
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3081 2011-04-05 19:31:51 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: just make sure you use transctions, and set the proper flags (avoid DB_PRIVATE, some other details)
3082 2011-04-05 19:32:19 <phantomcircuit> god my html layouts are pure fail
3083 2011-04-05 19:32:40 <phantomcircuit> text should not hide behind images
3084 2011-04-05 19:32:43 <phantomcircuit> lol
3085 2011-04-05 19:37:04 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr anynumber * r442c77125a93 spesmilo/ (.gitignore Makefile): Update submodules when they change http://tinyurl.com/3qwodxw
3086 2011-04-05 19:37:07 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr anynumber * r85a9675f078f spesmilo/ (Makefile lib/update.sh): Move submodule updating out of Makefile, so globs are always after it runs http://tinyurl.com/3vbsedu
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3089 2011-04-05 19:38:39 <jgarzik> [Tycho]: how do you defend against pay-per-share block-withholding attack?
3090 2011-04-05 19:39:23 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, what's that
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3092 2011-04-05 19:40:16 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: some pools pay per share, even before they find blocks
3093 2011-04-05 19:40:27 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: that's how OneFixt's pool was taken down.  Attacker with significant Ghps may mine, being paid per share, but withhold all full-target hash solutions
3094 2011-04-05 19:40:29 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: the attack is simply the miner withholding blocks that it finds
3095 2011-04-05 19:40:34 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: attacker gets paid, but pool doesn't
3096 2011-04-05 19:40:35 <phantomcircuit> oh
3097 2011-04-05 19:40:57 <phantomcircuit> sounds like a bad pool design
3098 2011-04-05 19:40:59 <luke-jr> it's a worthless attack to do, but if you hate the pool…
3099 2011-04-05 19:41:30 <phantomcircuit> sounds like you double your money/watt
3100 2011-04-05 19:41:56 <luke-jr> jgarzik: obviously one could just pay half as much, and assume half the miners are cheating him :P
3101 2011-04-05 19:41:57 <nanotube> midnightmagic: what was that about me and sending you gold? :) hehe
3102 2011-04-05 19:42:18 <nanotube> but seriously... could be a nice idea - someone whom i trust > X, has kick privileges with the bot.
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3105 2011-04-05 19:43:23 <luke-jr> nanotube: that could be fooled. make it a vote maybe?
3106 2011-04-05 19:43:49 <luke-jr> 50% of people who spoke in the last 5 minutes, or 5, whichever is lower?
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3108 2011-04-05 19:45:45 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, lots of ips == lots of votes
3109 2011-04-05 19:45:46 <midnightmagic> nanotube: i thought if we could arrange a BTC-paid kick mechanism w/ gribble and then when the pool of paid coins gets big enough, you buy gold and send it to all of us (so taking an active role in channel admin is incentivized). so we sent ฿ to gribble's account and then we get kickban credit. people with reputation on gribble only. and then we can use gribble to remove badmouthers. :)
3110 2011-04-05 19:46:23 <luke-jr> O.o
3111 2011-04-05 19:46:29 * luke-jr kicks midnightmagic every 5 minutes just to earn gold
3112 2011-04-05 19:46:51 <phantomcircuit> yeah
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3114 2011-04-05 19:47:25 <luke-jr> I suppose it might work, to allow people with >5 unique ratings and no negative ratings, to kick those with fewer positive:negative ratio
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3118 2011-04-05 19:48:58 <grbgout> jgarzik: have you heard of/looked at Plan9?  Noticed your "Distributed Computing" section of your page, which I visted after seeing your name/alias at the top of bitoin's github page.
3119 2011-04-05 19:49:11 <nanotube> luke-jr: i meant i'd only allow people for whom my personal level1 or level2 trust is > cutoff. not just anyone.
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3121 2011-04-05 19:49:43 <nanotube> so that would not be foolable, unless person decides to do some trading on OTC to up his trust, just to get kick privileges...
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3124 2011-04-05 19:50:00 <nanotube> which is arguably even harder than just sending btc to the bot :)
3125 2011-04-05 19:50:21 <abadr> My menubar is messed up with the OSX client. Is this a known bug?
3126 2011-04-05 19:50:34 <grbgout> How is your trust of someone related to OTC trading?
3127 2011-04-05 19:51:47 <luke-jr> nanotube: oh, sure
3128 2011-04-05 19:52:01 <phantomcircuit> im gonna implement a live bitcoin tech support
3129 2011-04-05 19:52:10 <phantomcircuit> should be neat
3130 2011-04-05 19:52:15 <nanotube> grbgout: there's an otc web of trust.
3131 2011-04-05 19:52:16 <jgarzik> grbgout: yes
3132 2011-04-05 19:52:34 <grbgout> jgarzik: what are your thoughts on it, if you don't mind my asking?
3133 2011-04-05 19:52:49 <grbgout> I've been wanting to test it out on some hardware, but haven't gotten around to it.
3134 2011-04-05 19:53:02 <jgarzik> grbgout: <shrug>  don't care.  It's an interesting design that will never see mainstream success.
3135 2011-04-05 19:53:52 <grbgout> Other solutions are too far along/better?
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3137 2011-04-05 19:54:42 <abadr> http://imgur.com/6QnqM
3138 2011-04-05 19:54:59 <jgarzik> grbgout: no need to replace the entire OS to get useful distributed computing
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3140 2011-04-05 19:55:05 <grbgout> true
3141 2011-04-05 19:55:14 <grbgout> have you worked with distcc at all?
3142 2011-04-05 19:55:22 <grbgout> I didn't notice it on your list
3143 2011-04-05 19:55:39 <jgarzik> grbgout: distcc is commonly used in the kernel community to rebuild kernels
3144 2011-04-05 19:55:51 <jgarzik> along with ccache
3145 2011-04-05 19:56:17 <jgarzik> distcc is rather simple and uninteresting though :)  Effective, yes, but uninteresting.
3146 2011-04-05 19:56:30 <phantomcircuit> zomg i <# distcc
3147 2011-04-05 19:56:35 <grbgout> Is it trivial to set it up to cross-compile for various archs?  I have a laptop I would like to run gentoo on, for familiarity, but compiling everything on it is simple not feasible at-all.
3148 2011-04-05 19:56:46 <grbgout> "uninteresting", hah. nice
3149 2011-04-05 19:56:50 <jgarzik> grbgout: that's where distcc often helps the most
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3151 2011-04-05 19:57:07 <JFK911> cross compiling is hard the first time
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3153 2011-04-05 19:57:11 <grbgout> that's what I thought, but I haven't looked into cross-compiling in ages. 2004/5ish or so
3154 2011-04-05 19:57:20 <JFK911> bootstrapping gcc is a bit of a hassle
3155 2011-04-05 19:57:26 <phantomcircuit> grbgout, crossdev -t arch, magic
3156 2011-04-05 19:57:35 <grbgout> phantomcircuit: o.O
3157 2011-04-05 19:57:38 <phantomcircuit> grbgout, there is a hack with the distcc symlinks you'll have to do also
3158 2011-04-05 19:57:39 <JFK911> nice
3159 2011-04-05 19:57:59 <phantomcircuit> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/cross-compiling-distcc.xml
3160 2011-04-05 19:58:00 <jgarzik> bah, bootstrapping gcc is two shell commands
3161 2011-04-05 19:58:02 <phantomcircuit> it's well documented
3162 2011-04-05 19:58:05 <jgarzik> trivial and documented
3163 2011-04-05 19:58:06 * grbgout assumes there are plenty of gudies on the matter that I can turn to when I'm ready to tackle...
3164 2011-04-05 19:58:10 <grbgout> blam, see.  Thanks phantomcircuit
3165 2011-04-05 19:58:37 <jgarzik> I could set up a distcc cluster for US and EU users, in exchange for bitcoins :)
3166 2011-04-05 19:58:38 <grbgout> That's why I love gentoo, best documentation I've seen (OpenBSD is a close second)
3167 2011-04-05 19:58:41 <jgarzik> 0.01 per compile
3168 2011-04-05 19:59:13 <phantomcircuit> the distcc hack has to be redone everytime you emerge distcc
3169 2011-04-05 19:59:18 <phantomcircuit> it's not part of the ebuild for some reason
3170 2011-04-05 19:59:44 <grbgout> phantomcircuit: are you actively using gentoo?
3171 2011-04-05 19:59:59 <phantomcircuit> Linux desktop 2.6.36-gentoo-r8 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Mar 31 09:18:24 PDT 2011 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU 550 @ 3.20GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
3172 2011-04-05 20:00:06 <jgarzik> preempt -- yuck
3173 2011-04-05 20:00:06 <grbgout> phantomcircuit: why not join -gentoo, then?
3174 2011-04-05 20:00:27 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, lulz
3175 2011-04-05 20:00:34 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, i've yet to have a problem with it
3176 2011-04-05 20:01:20 <jgarzik> "Beginning as a plural variant of lol, Lulz was originally an exclamation but is now often used as a noun meaning interesting or funny internet content.  Lulz is the one good reason to do anything, from trolling to rape. After every action taken, you must make the epilogic dubious disclaimer: "I did it for the lulz"."
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3184 2011-04-05 20:19:55 <[Tycho]> ;;bc,stats
3185 2011-04-05 20:19:57 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116928 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 2015 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 18 hours, 6 minutes, and 55 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 329382.57645186
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3198 2011-04-05 20:47:05 <hozer> so I seem to have a repeatable issue.. I run 'bitcoin -server' in a VNC and leave it open, and I've gotten an 'disk space is low' message followed by a segfault 2 times now
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3200 2011-04-05 20:49:25 <phantomcircuit> hozer, uh do you run out of memory or disk space?
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3202 2011-04-05 20:51:08 <slush> Hi, I have new 64 bit mining rig setup (my first) and both miners gives me some errors:
3203 2011-04-05 20:51:08 <slush> poclbm: pyopencl.LogicError: clGetPlatformIDs failed: invalid/unknown error code
3204 2011-04-05 20:51:08 <slush> diablo: target/libs/natives/linux/liblwjgl.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32 (Possible cause: architecture word width mismatch)
3205 2011-04-05 20:51:08 <slush> Any ideas?
3206 2011-04-05 20:51:30 <Diablo-D3> slush: you dont have the 64 bit sdk installed
3207 2011-04-05 20:51:34 <Diablo-D3> or your jvm isnt 64 bit
3208 2011-04-05 20:51:42 <slush> Diablo-D3: ati sdk?
3209 2011-04-05 20:51:46 <Diablo-D3> yes
3210 2011-04-05 20:51:57 <Diablo-D3> and it also sounds like X isnt running
3211 2011-04-05 20:52:15 <slush> X is definitely running and I installed ati-opencl-runtime_2.1_amd64.deb  O:-)
3212 2011-04-05 20:52:22 <Diablo-D3> er, why would you use a deb?
3213 2011-04-05 20:52:27 <Diablo-D3> use the tarball
3214 2011-04-05 20:52:30 <slush> because... it's easier?
3215 2011-04-05 20:52:34 <Diablo-D3> its not easier
3216 2011-04-05 20:52:38 <Diablo-D3> I have no clue what they put in it
3217 2011-04-05 20:52:50 <slush> ok, I have no idea what to do with that tarball
3218 2011-04-05 20:53:02 <slush> I have it here, too, but no readme, nothing
3219 2011-04-05 20:53:04 <Diablo-D3> you untar it, and then run the export command
3220 2011-04-05 20:53:48 <Diablo-D3> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/ati-stream-sdk-v2.1-lnx64/lib/x86_64/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
3221 2011-04-05 20:54:01 <slush> hmm, I'll try
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3224 2011-04-05 20:57:04 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * rfec9eb400a58 spesmilo/cashier.py: Workaround Qt bug: since dummy QTableWidgetItem doesn't get user's theme, try saving it from a real one http://tinyurl.com/3fwfaov
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3226 2011-04-05 20:59:47 <jgarzik> slush: looks like a 32-bit SDK?
3227 2011-04-05 21:00:45 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: thats what I said :D
3228 2011-04-05 21:00:48 <Diablo-D3> oh wait
3229 2011-04-05 21:00:52 <Diablo-D3> the fucker still has me on ignore
3230 2011-04-05 21:00:53 <Diablo-D3> whadda fag
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3232 2011-04-05 21:03:10 <hozer> phantomcircuit: it apearred to be just a warning about running out of disk, not actually running out
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3236 2011-04-05 21:05:14 <phantomcircuit> whoever said something to me
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3238 2011-04-05 21:05:22 <phantomcircuit> how close is the disk to full?
3239 2011-04-05 21:05:46 <hozer> 97%
3240 2011-04-05 21:06:02 <hozer> 109M free though
3241 2011-04-05 21:06:06 <phantomcircuit> on linux?
3242 2011-04-05 21:06:12 <hozer> yes, debian
3243 2011-04-05 21:06:17 <phantomcircuit> the disk is full
3244 2011-04-05 21:06:25 <phantomcircuit> the remainder is resrved for root
3245 2011-04-05 21:06:28 <phantomcircuit> reserved*
3246 2011-04-05 21:07:04 <hozer> this is the output of df -h
3247 2011-04-05 21:07:16 <hozer> it does not include the reserved in the 'avail' number
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3249 2011-04-05 21:07:47 <hozer> it also only seems to happen when I receive a payment
3250 2011-04-05 21:07:53 <hozer> and it's been running for a long time
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3254 2011-04-05 21:08:23 <phantomcircuit> hozer, do you have a back trace?
3255 2011-04-05 21:08:50 <hozer> nothing.. I'm wondering if I should probably leave it running in GDB ?
3256 2011-04-05 21:09:05 <phantomcircuit> hozer, yeah
3257 2011-04-05 21:09:12 <phantomcircuit> it'll be mondo slower but
3258 2011-04-05 21:09:13 <phantomcircuit> meh
3259 2011-04-05 21:09:13 <hozer> as if I really *am* out of disk, it's not going to leave a corefile ;)
3260 2011-04-05 21:09:43 <hozer> dammit. The bin is stripped to.
3261 2011-04-05 21:09:48 <hozer> time to rebuild with debug
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3266 2011-04-05 21:11:12 <slush> Diablo-D3: jgarzik: setting ld export path didn't helped :(
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3269 2011-04-05 21:11:48 <jgarzik> slush: liblwjgl.so is inside  ati-opencl-runtime_2.1_amd64.deb?
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3271 2011-04-05 21:12:18 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik is an idiot.,
3272 2011-04-05 21:12:19 <jgarzik> slush: export path would not help, because it is obviously finding the library [and not liking it]
3273 2011-04-05 21:12:32 <Diablo-D3> slush: dont use that deb, its probably fucking shit up
3274 2011-04-05 21:12:39 <Diablo-D3> slush: did you forget to install the files in /etc/OpenCL?
3275 2011-04-05 21:13:02 <Diablo-D3> you have to cd /; sudo tar zxvf registration.tgz
3276 2011-04-05 21:13:17 <slush> Diablo-D3: I'm not using that deb, I downloaded tgz directly
3277 2011-04-05 21:13:19 <Diablo-D3> slush: and you were saying there was no readme? yes there is, theres a pdf.
3278 2011-04-05 21:13:32 <Diablo-D3> [05:10:24] <Diablo-D3> slush: did you forget to install the files in /etc/OpenCL?
3279 2011-04-05 21:13:32 <Diablo-D3> [05:10:47] <Diablo-D3> you have to cd /; sudo tar zxvf registration.tgz
3280 2011-04-05 21:13:40 <slush> PDF where?
3281 2011-04-05 21:13:51 <Diablo-D3> its in the tarball, but its also online
3282 2011-04-05 21:14:15 <slush> oh, in doc/opencl
3283 2011-04-05 21:15:02 tower has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
3284 2011-04-05 21:15:30 <hozer> hrrm ... will the bitcoin gui work with wxwidgets 2.8 at all?
3285 2011-04-05 21:15:41 Hal____ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
3286 2011-04-05 21:15:53 <sipa> no
3287 2011-04-05 21:16:01 <hozer> bah, why not ;)
3288 2011-04-05 21:16:18 <hozer> and is there a debian package for wx2.9?
3289 2011-04-05 21:16:37 <sipa> no
3290 2011-04-05 21:16:45 <sipa> why not: unicode support
3291 2011-04-05 21:17:07 <hozer> Ah don't need no stiinkin unicode ;)
3292 2011-04-05 21:17:18 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r5d20e9..5d20e9 gentoo/ (7 files in 4 dirs): (6 commits) http://tinyurl.com/3p5hc9r
3293 2011-04-05 21:17:26 <hozer> ah well, nothing worth doing is ever easy
3294 2011-04-05 21:17:34 <slush> Diablo-D3: you see, that's why deb is better. what the fuck is registration.tgz? It isn't in tarball
3295 2011-04-05 21:17:42 <Diablo-D3> slush: its on the website
3296 2011-04-05 21:17:47 <slush> agrrrh
3297 2011-04-05 21:17:51 <Diablo-D3> the deb probably isnt fucking installing it
3298 2011-04-05 21:18:15 tower has joined
3299 2011-04-05 21:18:16 <ArtForzZz> err, it is in the tarball
3300 2011-04-05 21:18:28 <Diablo-D3> yeah I thought it was
3301 2011-04-05 21:18:33 <Diablo-D3> ArtForzZz: make slush stop being retarded
3302 2011-04-05 21:18:40 justmoon has joined
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3305 2011-04-05 21:18:59 <ArtForzZz> icd-registration.tgz, right in the main dir of the extracted tarball
3306 2011-04-05 21:19:20 <ArtForzZz> right next to ATI_Stream_SDK_Installation_Notes.pdf
3307 2011-04-05 21:19:50 <slush> ArtForzZz: I have probably different tarball
3308 2011-04-05 21:20:07 <slush> there is no icd-registration and the pdf is in 3rd directory level
3309 2011-04-05 21:20:11 <ArtForzZz> ati-stream-sdk-v2.1-lnx64.tgz
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3311 2011-04-05 21:20:44 <slush> yes
3312 2011-04-05 21:21:10 <slush> licence, makefile, glut_notice. nothing more in root dir
3313 2011-04-05 21:21:30 <ArtForzZz> sec, DLing again, maybe they changed shit
3314 2011-04-05 21:21:51 <sipa> in 2.3 it is included
3315 2011-04-05 21:22:08 <slush> hm, i typed "make", it did something
3316 2011-04-05 21:22:19 <slush> oh, errors :))
3317 2011-04-05 21:23:23 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r7cb288..5d20e9 gentoo/ (7 files in 4 dirs): (6 commits) http://tinyurl.com/3p5hc9r
3318 2011-04-05 21:23:31 * slush is probably retarded,because cannot get it run
3319 2011-04-05 21:24:41 <sipa> i took me a while as well, the first time
3320 2011-04-05 21:24:46 <ArtForzZz> doesnt matter, all the icd-registration are the same anyways
3321 2011-04-05 21:24:58 <slush> send me url, please
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3323 2011-04-05 21:25:03 <slush> I have probably something weird here
3324 2011-04-05 21:25:06 <ArtForzZz> http://download2-developer.amd.com/amd/Stream20GA/icd-registration.tgz
3325 2011-04-05 21:25:34 <ArtForzZz> you have to untar that one in root dir as root, so you get /etc/OpenCL/vendors/...
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3327 2011-04-05 21:27:38 <ArtForzZz> then just add your sdk lib/x86_64 dir to LD_LIBRARY_PATH
3328 2011-04-05 21:27:55 Chad has joined
3329 2011-04-05 21:28:19 <slush> both steps done
3330 2011-04-05 21:28:21 Chad is now known as Guest54685
3331 2011-04-05 21:28:33 <ArtForzZz> well, then it normally works
3332 2011-04-05 21:28:36 <slush> marekp@miner2:~/bin$ echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
3333 2011-04-05 21:28:36 <slush> /home/marekp/ati-stream-sdk-v2.1-lnx64/lib/x86_64/:
3334 2011-04-05 21:28:50 <slush> marekp@miner2:~/bin$ ls -alp /home/marekp/ati-stream-sdk-v2.1-lnx64/lib/x86_64/
3335 2011-04-05 21:28:50 <slush> --> correct listing
3336 2011-04-05 21:28:56 <slush> but same error in miner
3337 2011-04-05 21:29:00 * slush is going mad
3338 2011-04-05 21:29:09 <sipa> what error?
3339 2011-04-05 21:29:16 <Guest54685> Hello, how long does it take to fully download the bitcoin "client", I downloaded it and opened it up and clicked generate coins, is that all i need to do
3340 2011-04-05 21:29:25 <slush> sipa: poclbm: yopencl.LogicError: clGetPlatformIDs failed: invalid/unknown error code
3341 2011-04-05 21:29:28 <ArtForzZz> try running /path/to/sdk/samples/opencl/bin/x86_64/CLInfo
3342 2011-04-05 21:29:33 <sipa> Guest54685: don't
3343 2011-04-05 21:29:43 <Guest54685> Whyz not
3344 2011-04-05 21:29:44 <slush> sipa: diablo /home/marekp/DiabloMiner/target/libs/natives/linux/liblwjgl.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32 (Possible cause: architecture word width mismatch)
3345 2011-04-05 21:29:46 <sipa> Guest54685: first, it needs to download the block chain
3346 2011-04-05 21:29:48 <[Tycho]> Guest54685, using official bitcoin client for generation is useless.
3347 2011-04-05 21:30:03 tabsa has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
3348 2011-04-05 21:30:08 <sipa> Guest54685: you'll see a number in the right bottom increasing, up to
3349 2011-04-05 21:30:09 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
3350 2011-04-05 21:30:11 <gribble> 116931
3351 2011-04-05 21:30:17 <Guest54685> How how long will that take.
3352 2011-04-05 21:30:17 <[Tycho]> Guest54685, mining on your CPU is slow anyway and official client does it even slower.
3353 2011-04-05 21:30:19 <ArtForzZz> don't forget the export DISPLAY=:0 if you dont use a xterm
3354 2011-04-05 21:30:29 <[Tycho]> Guest54685, approximately forever.
3355 2011-04-05 21:30:46 <slush> ArtForzZz: of course I do, I'm using all scripts from my previous installation
3356 2011-04-05 21:30:51 <ArtForzZz> that error usually means it can't find X
3357 2011-04-05 21:30:54 <slush> ArtForzZz: the  only difference is 64bit system
3358 2011-04-05 21:30:55 <Guest54685> So can i start sending and receving bitcoins right after i download it
3359 2011-04-05 21:31:07 <ArtForzZz> huh. weird.
3360 2011-04-05 21:31:14 <[Tycho]> Guest54685, modern GPUs can mine up to 300 times faster than usual CPU core.
3361 2011-04-05 21:31:14 <ArtForzZz> what does CLInfo say?
3362 2011-04-05 21:31:18 <slush> yes, I feel like total noob
3363 2011-04-05 21:31:34 <ArtForzZz> if CLInfo works, the basic OpenCL install is ok
3364 2011-04-05 21:31:42 <krytzz> slush: how much resources does your mining pool consume? cpu,ram, bandwith/month?
3365 2011-04-05 21:32:04 <sipa> ..
3366 2011-04-05 21:32:05 <Guest54685> I am currently trying to receive coins atm and it is not showing anything.
3367 2011-04-05 21:32:08 <slush> krytzz: bandwitdth around 1.3 TB/month
3368 2011-04-05 21:32:13 <ArtForzZz> "too much, yes, and too much" ;)
3369 2011-04-05 21:32:30 <krytzz> slush: ok thanks
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3371 2011-04-05 21:32:37 <[Tycho]> Guest54685, you should wait for all blockchain to be downloaded.
3372 2011-04-05 21:32:39 <slush> krytzz: the rest - I don't know, it depends
3373 2011-04-05 21:32:46 OneFixt has joined
3374 2011-04-05 21:32:46 <sipa> Guest54685: up to 116931
3375 2011-04-05 21:32:47 OneFixt has quit (Changing host)
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3377 2011-04-05 21:32:52 <sipa> are you there?
3378 2011-04-05 21:33:03 <Guest54685> And again, how long does that take, it has been 6 hours since i downloaded the client lolz
3379 2011-04-05 21:34:10 <slush> ArtForzZz: don't have any tool called CLInfo
3380 2011-04-05 21:34:17 <[Tycho]> Guest54685, what block number is shown in status bar ?
3381 2011-04-05 21:34:25 <Guest54685> 50,000
3382 2011-04-05 21:34:29 <ArtForzZz> should be path/to/sdk/samples/opencl/bin/x86_64/CLInfo for 2.1
3383 2011-04-05 21:34:51 <[Tycho]> Guest54685, you should wait for ~116931
3384 2011-04-05 21:34:58 <sipa> Guest54685: sometimes exiting and reconnecting helps
3385 2011-04-05 21:35:02 <ArtForzZz> it's in the sdk tarball, might've gotten rm'ed by the make
3386 2011-04-05 21:35:06 <slush> marekp@miner2:~/ati-stream-sdk-v2.1-lnx64/samples/opencl/bin/x86_64$ ./CLInfo
3387 2011-04-05 21:35:06 <slush> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'cl::Error'
3388 2011-04-05 21:35:06 <slush>   what():  clGetPlatformIDs  Aborted
3389 2011-04-05 21:35:14 <ArtForzZz> ok
3390 2011-04-05 21:35:23 <sirius-m> http://www.bitcoin.org/newsite/ proposal for new site, feel free to comment or edit
3391 2011-04-05 21:35:30 <Guest54685> O wow, it just for some reason glitched and now it is at 160420
3392 2011-04-05 21:35:31 <ArtForzZz> so something is still iffy with your sdk and/or X
3393 2011-04-05 21:36:05 <ArtForzZz> you have atiocl32/64.icd in /etc/OpenCL/vendors/ati/ ?
3394 2011-04-05 21:36:18 <ArtForzZz> err
3395 2011-04-05 21:36:21 <tcatm> sirius-m: it should use multiple columns
3396 2011-04-05 21:36:24 <ArtForzZz> atiocl32/64.icd in /etc/OpenCL/vendors/ ?
3397 2011-04-05 21:36:42 <slush> yes
3398 2011-04-05 21:36:53 <slush> X is working, I see mouse cursor on monitor
3399 2011-04-05 21:36:59 <ArtForzZz> ok...
3400 2011-04-05 21:37:24 <ArtForzZz> ldd /path/pto/sdk/lib/x86_64/libatiocl64.so
3401 2011-04-05 21:37:25 <sipa> Guest54685: it can't be more than 116931
3402 2011-04-05 21:37:27 <ArtForzZz> and missing libs?
3403 2011-04-05 21:37:30 <ArtForzZz> *any
3404 2011-04-05 21:37:36 <sipa> 116932 now
3405 2011-04-05 21:37:37 <Guest54685> ok, well thanks :P
3406 2011-04-05 21:37:56 <sipa> is it really showing 160420?
3407 2011-04-05 21:38:28 <Guest54685> Is there an offical website to do the following : Convert PP cash to get BitCoins and Convert BitCoins to PP cash  (PP = Paypal)
3408 2011-04-05 21:38:38 <sipa> there is coinpal
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3410 2011-04-05 21:38:49 <Guest54685> ok
3411 2011-04-05 21:39:08 <sipa> it's expensive and only for low volumes
3412 2011-04-05 21:39:20 <sipa> because they have to insure against chargebacks
3413 2011-04-05 21:39:24 <Guest54685> What is the current exchange rate?
3414 2011-04-05 21:39:31 <ArtForzZz> yeah, coincard/coinpal, though PP isn't exactly favoured by exchangers as it attracts chargeback fraud like flies
3415 2011-04-05 21:39:53 <slush> ArtForzZz: no missing dependencies. But well, after last restart I don't see mouse cursor on monitor
3416 2011-04-05 21:40:03 <slush> but X is still running in ps aux
3417 2011-04-05 21:40:05 <sipa> latest mtgox price is 0.747844 USD/BTC
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3419 2011-04-05 21:40:15 <ArtForzZz> hurrrrm
3420 2011-04-05 21:40:28 <ArtForzZz> are you running miner/clinfo as root or as user?
3421 2011-04-05 21:40:33 <slush> as root
3422 2011-04-05 21:40:43 <ArtForzZz> okay, that *should* work
3423 2011-04-05 21:40:58 <ArtForzZz> because as normal user you need to fuck with XAUTHORITY, too
3424 2011-04-05 21:41:12 <Guest54685> Well i am trying to prevent chargebacks lolz, I currently sell Virtual Game currency and everything single time i sell some, they charge back and i always lose... Since PP doesn't cover virtual goods i am currently -250.56 in paypal because of it.. So i am going to start using Bitcoin
3425 2011-04-05 21:42:28 <ArtForzZz> xorg.conf is ok?
3426 2011-04-05 21:42:46 <sipa> you're using fglrx as driver?
3427 2011-04-05 21:42:47 <ArtForzZz> and aticonfig --odgt and friends works?
3428 2011-04-05 21:43:17 <slush> hmmmm
3429 2011-04-05 21:43:36 <slush> aticonfig --odgt _worked_ with previous deb package, but now does not work
3430 2011-04-05 21:44:03 <slush> xorg.conf looks fine, it's regenerated in rc.local on startup
3431 2011-04-05 21:44:22 <Guest54685> What ways are out there to earn BitCoins?
3432 2011-04-05 21:44:32 <slush> oh, --odgt worked, it needed to setup DISPLAY
3433 2011-04-05 21:44:46 <slush> and I see mouse cursor again
3434 2011-04-05 21:44:53 <sipa> Guest54685: sell things, provide a service
3435 2011-04-05 21:44:55 <gasteve> Guest54685: well, you can work, get paid in some currency, then trade it in for bitcoins
3436 2011-04-05 21:45:03 <genjix> joepie91: hey
3437 2011-04-05 21:45:04 <sipa> Guest54685: buy them on exchange sites
3438 2011-04-05 21:45:04 <Guest54685> ok
3439 2011-04-05 21:45:05 <genjix> joepie91: hey
3440 2011-04-05 21:45:07 <genjix> joepie91: heyhey
3441 2011-04-05 21:45:12 <sipa> Guest54685: use bitcoin-otc
3442 2011-04-05 21:45:18 <luke-jr> Guest54685: same way you earn USD or whatever
3443 2011-04-05 21:45:26 <slush> crap
3444 2011-04-05 21:45:39 <luke-jr> Guest54685: but IMO, we don't want to attract chargeback-scammers
3445 2011-04-05 21:45:49 <ArtForzZz> humm, weird
3446 2011-04-05 21:45:59 <ArtForzZz> it *should* work then
3447 2011-04-05 21:46:04 <luke-jr> Guest54685: also, this is -dev, not -discussion ;)
3448 2011-04-05 21:46:08 <slush> it must be something stupid
3449 2011-04-05 21:46:09 <Guest54685> I am trying to not get charged back soo
3450 2011-04-05 21:46:12 <Guest54685> o shet..
3451 2011-04-05 21:46:30 <slush> I installed it many times, the last issue was with 8x gpu and 32 bit system
3452 2011-04-05 21:46:34 <Guest54685> That is why you guys are talking about files not working and coding lol
3453 2011-04-05 21:46:41 <luke-jr> Guest54685: yeah, but if those same scammers are interested, they'll just start scamming someone else :/
3454 2011-04-05 21:46:43 <slush> _now_ it is 64bit and still shit happens
3455 2011-04-05 21:46:52 <luke-jr> Guest54685: eg, they'll scam someone selling bitcoins
3456 2011-04-05 21:47:14 <ArtForzZz> slush: stupid q: what driver version?
3457 2011-04-05 21:47:20 <luke-jr> Guest54685: but yeah, I suggest moving chat to -discussion
3458 2011-04-05 21:47:27 <slush> ati-driver-installer-10-12-x86.x86_64.run
3459 2011-04-05 21:47:29 <Guest54685> how :)
3460 2011-04-05 21:47:48 <ArtForzZz> hummm, that should work, never tried 10.12, but it *should* work
3461 2011-04-05 21:47:57 <slush> it worked on previous installation
3462 2011-04-05 21:48:21 <slush> well, I have only 3 cards connected now, in slots 1,2 and 4
3463 2011-04-05 21:48:27 <Guest54685> #bitcoin-discussion
3464 2011-04-05 21:48:27 <slush> not sure if it can hurt something...
3465 2011-04-05 21:48:28 <ArtForzZz> shouldnt matter
3466 2011-04-05 21:48:42 <ArtForzZz> the "unknown platform id" usually means it can't load the OCL runtime
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3468 2011-04-05 21:49:03 <slush> looks like. even CLInfo does not work, so...
3469 2011-04-05 21:49:43 <slush> hm, interesting. fglrxinfo shows some errors, too
3470 2011-04-05 21:49:45 <gjs278> 11.3 is the best version for me because it doesn't use 100% cpu when running poclbm
3471 2011-04-05 21:49:48 <slush> maybe I should focus more on X
3472 2011-04-05 21:50:07 <slush> marekp@miner2:~$ fglrxinfo
3473 2011-04-05 21:50:07 <slush> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual!
3474 2011-04-05 21:50:15 <slush> and nothing more
3475 2011-04-05 21:50:21 <gjs278> are you using fglrx as your driver instead of "radeon"
3476 2011-04-05 21:50:50 <slush> hm, good catch, in xorg.conf is fglrx
3477 2011-04-05 21:50:52 <gjs278> also if you recently upgraded, kill X, rmmod fglrx, startx
3478 2011-04-05 21:51:13 <gjs278> fglrx is the correct driver
3479 2011-04-05 21:51:16 <ArtForzZz> yeah, that sounds like fglrx isnt properly loaded
3480 2011-04-05 21:51:20 <gjs278> radeon is the open source one that can't do 3d
3481 2011-04-05 21:51:46 <gjs278> anyways, time to restart
3482 2011-04-05 21:52:15 <slush> how can I check which driver version is loaded?
3483 2011-04-05 21:52:26 <ArtForzZz> xorg.log ?
3484 2011-04-05 21:52:47 <ArtForzZz> usually /var/log/Xorg.0.log
3485 2011-04-05 21:52:52 <gjs278> when you drag a window, does it leave behind a big fade effect
3486 2011-04-05 21:53:01 <gjs278> like it's really choppy or whatever
3487 2011-04-05 21:53:18 <slush> gjs278: it was for me?
3488 2011-04-05 21:53:28 <slush> it's teepee. no windows here
3489 2011-04-05 21:53:34 <gjs278> oh ok
3490 2011-04-05 21:53:42 <slush> I mean, no window manager etc
3491 2011-04-05 21:54:00 <RBecker> ;;bc,calc 50000
3492 2011-04-05 21:54:01 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 50000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 11 weeks, 4 days, 20 hours, 52 minutes, and 52 seconds
3493 2011-04-05 21:54:07 <npouillard> [Tycho]: Hi, what do you think of adding an HTTPS access to deepbit.net
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3495 2011-04-05 21:54:18 <gjs278> I would try the kill x, rmmod fglrx, and then start it again. if that doesn't work definitely try a diff driver version, that fails, something is wrong with xorg
3496 2011-04-05 21:54:18 <RBecker> ;;bc,gen 50000000
3497 2011-04-05 21:54:19 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 50000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 610.723922792 BTC per day and 25.4468301163 BTC per hour.
3498 2011-04-05 21:54:24 <RBecker> whoops
3499 2011-04-05 21:54:29 <RBecker> ;;bc,gen 50000
3500 2011-04-05 21:54:30 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 50000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 0.610723922792 BTC per day and 0.0254468301163 BTC per hour.
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3502 2011-04-05 21:54:51 <slush> looks like X crashed every time  I call fglrxinfo
3503 2011-04-05 21:55:03 <slush> s/crashed/restart/
3504 2011-04-05 21:55:20 <ArtForzZz> huh. weird
3505 2011-04-05 21:55:28 <ArtForzZz> are the PCI IDs in xorg.conf ok?
3506 2011-04-05 21:56:21 <ArtForzZz> because thats what I got when I had those messed up (had one card listed twice)
3507 2011-04-05 21:57:24 <slush> I tried driver installation once again and it writes me "installation could not proceed due to error: Binary directory does not exist"
3508 2011-04-05 21:57:26 <slush> wtf
3509 2011-04-05 21:57:44 <ArtForzZz> wth
3510 2011-04-05 21:58:15 <slush> hm, I tried 'custom installation' and it finished successfully. restarting...
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3512 2011-04-05 21:59:58 <slush> what exactly I need to install to run X?
3513 2011-04-05 22:00:03 <slush> looks like I'm missing something...
3514 2011-04-05 22:00:11 <slush> X works, but every tool throws errors
3515 2011-04-05 22:03:10 <slush> woooow
3516 2011-04-05 22:03:15 <ArtForzZz> sounds like you're missing some X components?
3517 2011-04-05 22:03:18 <slush> I installed some shits like fonts
3518 2011-04-05 22:03:21 <slush> and it is running!
3519 2011-04-05 22:03:32 * slush headdesk
3520 2011-04-05 22:03:44 <Diablo-D3> slush: are you running your shit as the right user?
3521 2011-04-05 22:03:52 <slush> Diablo-D3: yes
3522 2011-04-05 22:04:28 <Diablo-D3> who started X?
3523 2011-04-05 22:05:59 <slush> Diablo-D3: everything is fine now, there were some components missing
3524 2011-04-05 22:06:05 <Diablo-D3> heh.
3525 2011-04-05 22:06:16 <Diablo-D3> did you install xserver-xorg like you were supposed to?
3526 2011-04-05 22:06:18 <slush> ArtForzZz: thanks a lot, it was incredibly stupid problem
3527 2011-04-05 22:06:59 <hozer> is there a bitcoinpool irc?
3528 2011-04-05 22:08:07 <slush> Diablo-D3: I think so, I don't know why it needs fonts (and crash without non relevant error when it isn't installed)
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3530 2011-04-05 22:08:18 <slush> s/without/with/
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3532 2011-04-05 22:08:39 <ArtForzZz> good to know, weird shit
3533 2011-04-05 22:11:36 <RBecker> ;;bc,calc 6695
3534 2011-04-05 22:11:37 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 6695 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 1 year, 35 weeks, 1 day, 10 hours, 14 minutes, and 38 seconds
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3536 2011-04-05 22:12:43 <RBecker> ;;bc,stats
3537 2011-04-05 22:12:45 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116933 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 2010 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 weeks, 2 days, 4 hours, 43 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45677.32417284
3538 2011-04-05 22:12:54 <RBecker> ;;bc,calc
3539 2011-04-05 22:12:54 <gribble> (bc,calc <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo The average time to generate a block at $1 Khps, given current difficulty of [bc,diff], is [time elapsed [math calc 1/((2**224-1)/[bc,diff]*$1*1000/2**256)]]".
3540 2011-04-05 22:13:16 <RBecker> ;;bc,calc 50000 45677.32417284
3541 2011-04-05 22:13:16 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
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3543 2011-04-05 22:13:29 <RBecker> ;;bc,gen 50000 45677.32417284
3544 2011-04-05 22:13:30 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
3545 2011-04-05 22:14:07 <Diablo-D3> [06:05:52] <slush> Diablo-D3: I think so, I don't know why it needs fonts (and crash without non relevant error when it isn't installed)
3546 2011-04-05 22:14:09 <Diablo-D3> because shit sucks
3547 2011-04-05 22:14:29 <Diablo-D3> xserver-xorg is everything you need to run X
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3550 2011-04-05 22:18:17 <luke-jr> genjix: what OS do you run?
3551 2011-04-05 22:20:19 <luke-jr> jgarzik: is there a reason you didn't make AuthServiceProxy a drop-in replacement, and/or send it upstream?
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3553 2011-04-05 22:22:04 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r396a753a98c2 gentoo/dev-python/jsonrpc/ (Manifest jsonrpc-9999.ebuild): dev-python/jsonrpc-9999: Initial import http://tinyurl.com/3fe3az3
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3558 2011-04-05 22:28:48 <jgarzik> luke-jr: it was just created.  as for upstream...  it replaces entirely the need for python-jsonrpc.  do you think upstream accepts "replace all your files with mine"?
3559 2011-04-05 22:29:30 <luke-jr> jgarzik: shrug, why not if it's better?
3560 2011-04-05 22:29:53 <luke-jr> drop-in replacement at least would make it easier for apps ;)
3561 2011-04-05 22:34:39 <slush> is there any easy way (command?) how to overclock 5870 over 900MHz?
3562 2011-04-05 22:34:49 <slush> aticonfig does not eat higher clocks
3563 2011-04-05 22:35:22 <ArtForzZz> no
3564 2011-04-05 22:35:23 <CFSworks> slush, don't know of any short of poking around in /proc/bus/pci
3565 2011-04-05 22:35:47 <slush> hm, thanks
3566 2011-04-05 22:35:53 <slush> too bad, temperatures are very good
3567 2011-04-05 22:36:01 <ArtForzZz> I just flash a bios modified with RBE with higher OC limits
3568 2011-04-05 22:36:22 <ArtForzZz> thats how I get my 5770s to > 1Ghz under linux
3569 2011-04-05 22:36:28 <slush> yes, maybe in the future, but I'm happy that it run at least at 900MHz now ;)
3570 2011-04-05 22:37:21 <UukGoblin> gribble timestamping on #bitcoin-market - useless, most people already have their own timestamps in IRC clients
3571 2011-04-05 22:37:52 <ArtForzZz> shrug, I think it's useful
3572 2011-04-05 22:38:50 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,stats
3573 2011-04-05 22:38:51 <gribble> Current Blocks: 116938 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 2005 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 4 days, 14 hours, 40 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 67808.17126888
3574 2011-04-05 22:39:10 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,calc 115000
3575 2011-04-05 22:39:16 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 115000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 5 weeks, 0 days, 14 hours, 17 minutes, and 46 seconds
3576 2011-04-05 22:42:07 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr extlib * rab6df418bd99 spesmilo/ (22 files in 5 dirs): remove local copy of jsonrpc; allow fetching with "make local" http://tinyurl.com/3hvayy3
3577 2011-04-05 22:42:08 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr extlib * r8e940e3ad26d spesmilo/Makefile: put dependencies in lib/ dir http://tinyurl.com/3d7mm6p
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3583 2011-04-05 22:58:12 <aeMaeth> i'm interested in making a bitcoin service, what free tools or api's etc are out there to help me out?
3584 2011-04-05 22:58:44 <krytzz> the bitcoin client has the json api
3585 2011-04-05 22:58:46 <CFSworks> aeMaeth, Bitcoin has a pretty easy JSON-RPC API... What language do you want to make your service in?
3586 2011-04-05 22:59:48 <aeMaeth> i guess it would be php, but not entirely sure, not looking to make a pool, more like a storefront
3587 2011-04-05 23:01:15 <jgarzik> aeMaeth: mybitcoin.com and mtgox.com have very easy merchant APIs
3588 2011-04-05 23:01:25 <jgarzik> aeMaeth: no need to worry about managing a P2P node
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3590 2011-04-05 23:02:25 <aeMaeth> yea, i saw the mybitcoin.com one, and that was neat, i guess what i need help with is how sites like bitcoinservice.co.uk take the fee while submitting the rest to the user
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3592 2011-04-05 23:04:26 <CFSworks> aeMaeth, that's just a little bit of coding. You just need to have your PHP script subtract the fee from the sale price.
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3600 2011-04-05 23:07:05 <jgarzik> aeMaeth: what fee?
3601 2011-04-05 23:07:21 <jgarzik> aeMaeth: both mybitcoin and mtgox are free, AFAIK
3602 2011-04-05 23:07:33 <CFSworks> jgarzik, from the bitcoinservice.co.uk homepage "We take just 10% or 0.01bitcoins from your balance when you withdraw."
3603 2011-04-05 23:08:32 <jgarzik> ah, site-specific logic details
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3605 2011-04-05 23:09:29 <CFSworks> That particular kind of fee isn't hard at all... When the client sends an "I want to withdraw" request, you only give him 90% of what he tried to withdraw and send 10% to you.
3606 2011-04-05 23:10:27 <CFSworks> You might want to send him to a confirmation page so he knows that he's only getting 90% of what he tried to withdraw, first... but it's not too difficult to do.
3607 2011-04-05 23:10:30 <aeMaeth> that makes sense, so keep all transactions in one wallet, and then transfer out from that later, i was thinking backwards, putting the cart before the horse
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3609 2011-04-05 23:12:37 <CFSworks> It's the same with, say, PayPal... The site knows it has $1000 in its PayPal account, but it needs to keep track of how much of that belongs to each customer.
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3614 2011-04-05 23:30:36 <gavinandresen> Hey y'all.   Anybody know if miners are still having issues with creating blocks taking too long?
3615 2011-04-05 23:30:51 <ArtForzZz> no clue
3616 2011-04-05 23:31:49 <ArtForzZz> btw, any idea when we'll get those rpc deadlock fixes into mainline git? seems they've been biting quite a few sites recently
3617 2011-04-05 23:32:12 <gavinandresen> I am planning on pulling them soon.  Like, maybe now....
3618 2011-04-05 23:32:38 <gavinandresen> I'm crossing my fingers that I found the last one (in sendmany) today
3619 2011-04-05 23:32:49 <SykeP> is the block creation slowness caused by tx spam? i haven't seen any tx spam lately.
3620 2011-04-05 23:33:02 <ArtForzZz> mostly, yeah
3621 2011-04-05 23:33:19 <gavinandresen> What it disk I/O or ECDSA verification that was taking a long time?
3622 2011-04-05 23:33:35 <ArtForzZz> not sure, I think it depends a lot on the system
3623 2011-04-05 23:33:55 <ArtForzZz> on slushs nodes I think it was I/O bound
3624 2011-04-05 23:34:24 <ArtForzZz> someone else had a rather asthmatic single-core VPS and there it pegged the CPU for > 5 seconds
3625 2011-04-05 23:34:31 <theymos> Would code that is clearing the memory pool need to be inside of a CRITICAL_BLOCK? How does that work?
3626 2011-04-05 23:34:41 <ArtForzZz> yes
3627 2011-04-05 23:35:01 <ArtForzZz> critical_block is just a fancy wrapper for locks
3628 2011-04-05 23:36:25 <theymos> OK. Thanks. BBE will have a "queued transactions" page soon, and I'm going to clear the memory pool occasionally so I can get accurate "last seen" times.
3629 2011-04-05 23:36:38 <tcatm> theymos: bbe's totalbc is returning wrong results
3630 2011-04-05 23:37:06 <theymos> Why?
3631 2011-04-05 23:37:18 <tcatm> http://blockexplorer.com/q/totalbc/10000000
3632 2011-04-05 23:38:00 <tcatm> it should return 20999999.9769
3633 2011-04-05 23:38:19 <phantomcircuit> has any btc been destroyed intentionally?
3634 2011-04-05 23:38:28 <ArtForzZz> yes
3635 2011-04-05 23:38:41 <ArtForzZz> for example we have several blocks with *identical* coinbase TX
3636 2011-04-05 23:38:50 <ArtForzZz> only one of those can ever be spent
3637 2011-04-05 23:39:15 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * rf5f1878 / (db.cpp main.cpp rpc.cpp ui.cpp): (log message trimmed)
3638 2011-04-05 23:39:15 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Fix deadlocks in setaccount, sendfrom RPC calls
3639 2011-04-05 23:39:15 <CIA-96> bitcoin: SendMoney*() now requires caller to acquire cs_main.
3640 2011-04-05 23:39:15 <CIA-96> bitcoin: GetAccountAddress() now requires caller to acquire cs_main, cs_mapWallet.
3641 2011-04-05 23:39:15 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Ordering is intended to match these two callchains[1]:
3642 2011-04-05 23:39:15 <CIA-96> bitcoin: 1. CRITICAL_BLOCK(cs_main)
3643 2011-04-05 23:39:16 <CIA-96> bitcoin:  ProcessMessage(pfrom, strCommand, vMsg)
3644 2011-04-05 23:39:16 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * r6f074b7 / rpc.cpp : RPC sendmany must acquire cs_main lock - http://bit.ly/hxmF1a
3645 2011-04-05 23:39:17 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * r57b7fe4 / (db.cpp main.cpp rpc.cpp ui.cpp): Merge branch 'deadlock-fixes' of https://github.com/jgarzik/bitcoin - http://bit.ly/dXfQYG
3646 2011-04-05 23:39:19 <phantomcircuit> ArtForzZz, what?
3647 2011-04-05 23:39:24 <ArtForzZz> yea
3648 2011-04-05 23:39:27 <ArtForzZz> they have the same hash, and we refer to prev tx by hash
3649 2011-04-05 23:39:51 <ArtForzZz> so only one of em can ever get spent
3650 2011-04-05 23:40:59 <CFSworks> Exactly what incentive is there for miners to do that? :S
3651 2011-04-05 23:41:05 <ArtForzZz> none
3652 2011-04-05 23:42:06 <CFSworks> So it's literally burning money. It helps nobody.
3653 2011-04-05 23:42:11 <ArtForzZz> yep
3654 2011-04-05 23:42:17 <phantomcircuit> so im assuming it was a miner who screwed something up
3655 2011-04-05 23:42:21 <ArtForzZz> yea
3656 2011-04-05 23:42:25 <theymos> tcatm: Are you sure that figure is correct? I first came up with that number using /q/totalbc. Then I changed it to fix that 50 BTC bug that you told me about before.
3657 2011-04-05 23:42:30 <CFSworks> But then it wasn't intentional...
3658 2011-04-05 23:42:36 <ArtForzZz> my guess is broken experimental pool or something
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3660 2011-04-05 23:43:10 <tcatm> theymos: I'm pretty sure. What's the code that calculates totalbc on bbe?
3661 2011-04-05 23:43:22 <theymos> I simulate each subsidy adjustment.
3662 2011-04-05 23:43:54 <CFSworks> So it's done iteratively?
3663 2011-04-05 23:43:59 <theymos> Yes.
3664 2011-04-05 23:44:24 <tcatm> try this python code, it should be correct: def totalbc(h): return (sum([21e4*int(50e8/2**k) for k in xrange(int((h+1)/21e4))])+int(50e8/2**(int((h+1)/21e4)))*((h+1)-(int((h+1)/21e4))*21e4))/1e8
3665 2011-04-05 23:44:39 <theymos> How do you know it is correct?
3666 2011-04-05 23:44:54 <CFSworks> Syntactically that may be Python... But readability-wise that's Perl. :P
3667 2011-04-05 23:45:02 <idnar> haha
3668 2011-04-05 23:45:20 <idnar> tcatm: what are all the int() calls for? truncating to integer?
3669 2011-04-05 23:45:35 <theymos> Here's my calculation code: http://pastebin.com/xKMucPAu
3670 2011-04-05 23:45:48 <luke-jr> theymos: I can confirm 20999999.9769 at least
3671 2011-04-05 23:45:50 <idnar> I think you can just use a//b instead of int(a/b)
3672 2011-04-05 23:46:01 <tcatm> it's the faster version of sum(int(50e8/2**int(k/21e4)) for k in xrange(h+1))/1e8
3673 2011-04-05 23:46:14 <idnar> also you can presumably algebraicly expand the sum/xrange
3674 2011-04-05 23:46:29 <tcatm> which is doing exactly what the code in bitcoin does
3675 2011-04-05 23:47:06 <CFSworks> I just ran my own Python code: 20999999.97690000 BTC
3676 2011-04-05 23:47:37 <CFSworks> For reference: subsidy = lambda x: 5000000000>>(int(x)/210000); print sum([subsidy(x) for x in range(10000000)]);
3677 2011-04-05 23:47:44 <CFSworks> Enjoy it summing every block individually. :)
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3679 2011-04-05 23:48:52 <gavinandresen> In APL that'd be....    (actually, I did do some APL programming in college... which makes me feel really really old)
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3681 2011-04-05 23:50:12 <theymos> CFSworks: Does that count the generation in the genesis block?
3682 2011-04-05 23:50:55 <CFSworks> theymos: The range counts blocks 0<=i<10000000
3683 2011-04-05 23:51:01 <luke-jr> does the genesis block generation not count toward the 210000 block halving?
3684 2011-04-05 23:51:08 <theymos> I don't think so.
3685 2011-04-05 23:51:23 <luke-jr> !
3686 2011-04-05 23:51:28 <theymos> It's block 0.
3687 2011-04-05 23:51:34 <tcatm> 210000 is the first block with 25 BTC
3688 2011-04-05 23:51:45 <luke-jr> theymos: so?
3689 2011-04-05 23:51:51 <CFSworks> Yeah, the genesis block would count toward it.
3690 2011-04-05 23:51:57 <luke-jr> 0..209999 are 50 BTC
3691 2011-04-05 23:52:11 <luke-jr> although IMO, we should move that up to every 262144 blocks ;)
3692 2011-04-05 23:52:41 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r6ae30fe854e4 gentoo/net-p2p/spesmilo/ (Manifest spesmilo-9999.ebuild): net-p2p/spesmilo: RDEPEND on dev-python/jsonrpc http://tinyurl.com/3be576k
3693 2011-04-05 23:52:51 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * rab6df418bd99 spesmilo/ (22 files in 5 dirs): remove local copy of jsonrpc; allow fetching with "make local" http://tinyurl.com/3hvayy3
3694 2011-04-05 23:52:54 <CIA-96> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r8e940e3ad26d spesmilo/Makefile: put dependencies in lib/ dir http://tinyurl.com/3d7mm6p
3695 2011-04-05 23:53:24 <theymos> nSubsidy >>= (nHeight / 210000); <- Doesn't this make the first chunk of blocks contain 210001 generations, since the genesis block is block 0?
3696 2011-04-05 23:53:41 <theymos> Or one more than normal, at least.
3697 2011-04-05 23:53:54 <phantomcircuit> i would just like to say
3698 2011-04-05 23:53:56 <phantomcircuit> whatever
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3701 2011-04-05 23:53:59 <tcatm> nHeight/210000 is 1 for nHeight >= 210000
3702 2011-04-05 23:54:13 <CFSworks> theymos, 0<=nHeight<210000 would result in (nHeight / 210000)==0
3703 2011-04-05 23:55:04 <luke-jr> tcatm: false.
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3705 2011-04-05 23:55:26 <CFSworks> luke-jr, fine, it's >= 1 for nHeight >= 210000
3706 2011-04-05 23:55:35 <luke-jr> :p
3707 2011-04-05 23:57:05 <jgarzik> what is the ballpark figure used for comparing NV vs. ATI hash rates?  ATI is 10x faster than NV, comparing recent cards?
3708 2011-04-05 23:57:09 <jgarzik> or was it 100x?
3709 2011-04-05 23:57:17 <theymos> Oh, I see. I'll fix it.
3710 2011-04-05 23:57:34 <ArtForzZz> about 4x faster for the same $
3711 2011-04-05 23:58:11 <ArtForzZz> also about 4x efficiency
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3713 2011-04-05 23:58:46 <remanifest> Hello
3714 2011-04-05 23:59:02 <ArtForzZz> mainly thanks to the native rotate()
3715 2011-04-05 23:59:16 <ArtForzZz> without it they'd "only" win by a factor of 2-2.5
3716 2011-04-05 23:59:29 <luke-jr> ArtForzZz: my CPU has a 'native rotate()' :/
3717 2011-04-05 23:59:34 <theymos> totalbc is now accurate. Thanks.
3718 2011-04-05 23:59:37 <luke-jr> but I don't know how to write asm to use it
3719 2011-04-05 23:59:51 <ArtForzZz> luke-jr: yes, and nvidias shaders don't :P