1 2011-04-09 00:00:09 <ArtForz> well, iirc they're already hasing em out for their next platform
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29 2011-04-09 00:38:29 <idnar> ooh, spesmilo is python
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33 2011-04-09 00:44:56 <mizerydearia> Is anyone aware of any bitcoin projects/ideas that seek funding/pledging/etc?
34 2011-04-09 00:45:10 <mizerydearia> e.g. something that would seem suitable for kickstarter.com?
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36 2011-04-09 00:46:53 <grbgout> mizerydearia: Kiba has some project he's been trying to get funding for.
37 2011-04-09 00:47:07 <mizerydearia> mm
38 2011-04-09 00:47:27 <mizerydearia> I just created http://fundraising.witcoin.com as a kind of alternative to kickstarter.
39 2011-04-09 00:47:54 <mizerydearia> Although, it's slightly different
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58 2011-04-09 01:29:07 <mizerydearia> Is anyone else interested in participating in pyramid scheme? I'll fund cost to you if you're interested in participating (up to 50 participants) http://bitcoin.witcoin.com/p/999/witcoinamid
59 2011-04-09 01:29:45 <mizerydearia> btw, the post is upside downly evil
60 2011-04-09 01:30:16 <mizerydearia> forum thread @ http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5571.0
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65 2011-04-09 01:32:36 <iostream> mizerydearia: that's not legal.
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69 2011-04-09 01:33:03 <Kiba> it's illegal even though everyone know perfectly well somebody is going to lose out in the end?
70 2011-04-09 01:33:37 <iostream> yeah
71 2011-04-09 01:34:15 <mizerydearia> iostream, what's not legal?
72 2011-04-09 01:34:56 <iostream> what else did you talk about except pyramid schemes?
73 2011-04-09 01:35:05 <mizerydearia> "A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves promising participants payment, services or ideals, primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme or training them to take part, rather than supplying any real investment or sale of products or services to the public."
74 2011-04-09 01:35:17 <mizerydearia> "promising participants payment, services or ideals, ..."
75 2011-04-09 01:35:22 <Blitzboom> so fiat money is illegal now?
76 2011-04-09 01:35:22 <mizerydearia> There has been no such promise.
77 2011-04-09 01:35:41 <iostream> "Pyramid schemes are a form of fraud. Pyramid schemes are illegal in many countries..."
78 2011-04-09 01:36:17 <Blitzboom> a pyramide scheme is no different than gambling
79 2011-04-09 01:36:19 <mizerydearia> iostream, How has anyone been defrauded?
80 2011-04-09 01:36:32 <mizerydearia> or participated in fraud
81 2011-04-09 01:36:36 <mizerydearia> What is the fraud?
82 2011-04-09 01:36:50 <mizerydearia> e.g. if you participate in the scheme, have you experienced some sort of fraud?
83 2011-04-09 01:37:27 <mizerydearia> Specifically, have you been promised anything which has not been true?
84 2011-04-09 01:37:54 <mizerydearia> Additionally, if I fund money to you for participating, have you been additionally frauded?
85 2011-04-09 01:38:04 <mizerydearia> e.g. no cost to you whatsoever.
86 2011-04-09 01:38:25 <mizerydearia> And if you make profit while having absolutely no cost or expense to you, is that fraudulent also?
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88 2011-04-09 01:39:03 <theymos> The witcoin voting distribution scheme is already like a pyramid scheme, so this is a pyramid scheme within a pyramid scheme. :)
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90 2011-04-09 01:39:09 <mizerydearia> Is the phrase "pyramid scheme" perhaps symbolically linked to and trigger "fraud" keyword maybe?
91 2011-04-09 01:39:16 <mizerydearia> hehe theymos ^_^
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93 2011-04-09 01:40:56 <phantomcircuit> mizerydearia, pyramid scheme collapse because everybody is doing it
94 2011-04-09 01:41:03 <phantomcircuit> that would be good for bitcoin
95 2011-04-09 01:41:07 <phantomcircuit> thus not a pyramid scheme
96 2011-04-09 01:41:08 <phantomcircuit> xD
97 2011-04-09 01:41:50 <mizerydearia> So, while iostream has brought up common knowledge (as referenced in wikipedia article) of "pyramid scheme" as having been linked to "fraud" keyword, it seems other than these historical ideas or informations, there is no other argument to proclaim or indicate any fraud has occurred. Or, am I wrong?
98 2011-04-09 01:42:18 <Blitzboom> no. pyramid schemes are cool as long as noone is tricked
99 2011-04-09 01:42:29 <mizerydearia> <iostream> mizerydearia: that's not legal.
100 2011-04-09 01:42:30 <Blitzboom> stupidity is no excuse
101 2011-04-09 01:42:51 <Blitzboom> yeah, and downloading files is illegal, too
102 2011-04-09 01:42:51 <mizerydearia> <Kiba> it's illegal even though everyone know perfectly well somebody is going to lose out in the end?
103 2011-04-09 01:43:04 <mizerydearia> Blitzboom, oh?
104 2011-04-09 01:43:13 <Blitzboom> pirating, mizerydearia
105 2011-04-09 01:43:14 <mizerydearia> Blitzboom, So if I visit a web page I have performed an illegal activity?
106 2011-04-09 01:43:43 <mizerydearia> Blitzboom, downloading is pirating? So if I connect to any server on the Internet and the server sends data to my computer and my computer actively downloads the data, I have performed piracy?
107 2011-04-09 01:44:03 <Blitzboom> â¦
108 2011-04-09 01:44:16 <mizerydearia> ...?
109 2011-04-09 01:44:21 <mizerydearia> You suggested "downloading file is illegal"
110 2011-04-09 01:44:51 <grbgout> he was being sarcastic, mizerydearia.
111 2011-04-09 01:44:56 <mizerydearia> heh
112 2011-04-09 01:45:11 <mizerydearia> I see
113 2011-04-09 01:45:31 <grbgout> your witcoin site is strange
114 2011-04-09 01:45:38 <[Tycho]> Downloading files is cool :)
115 2011-04-09 01:45:43 <mizerydearia> grbgout, oh?
116 2011-04-09 01:45:55 <Blitzboom> downloading cars is cool
117 2011-04-09 01:46:04 <grbgout> Blitzboom: soon enough.
118 2011-04-09 01:46:13 <mizerydearia> grbgout, what kind of strangeness?
119 2011-04-09 01:46:48 <grbgout> just the general approach, I suppose. Buy categories, or however it works.
120 2011-04-09 01:46:53 <grbgout> *Buying
121 2011-04-09 01:46:56 <mizerydearia> Blitzboom, downloading scars is cool too... and then applying them to your body...
122 2011-04-09 01:47:07 <mizerydearia> grbgout, mm
123 2011-04-09 01:47:45 <grbgout> I agree with theymos, my first impression when it was described was that of a pyramid scheme.
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125 2011-04-09 01:47:54 <grbgout> that may not be the case, but that was the impression I got.
126 2011-04-09 01:48:08 <mizerydearia> grbgout, When I established renting category system (see http://meta.witcoin.com/p/56/user-generated-categories), I was considering how best to allow users to create categories...
127 2011-04-09 01:48:15 <Blitzboom> sure, witcoin is a pyramid scheme
128 2011-04-09 01:48:28 <Blitzboom> but that doesnât have to be a bad thing
129 2011-04-09 01:49:00 <mizerydearia> The reason witcoin resembles a pyramid scheme is because I wanted to share the distribution of profits to participants rather than the site collecting all the costs
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131 2011-04-09 01:49:12 <theymos> It's intended to be like a pyramid scheme. Actually some people consider Bitcoin to be a pyramid scheme, so this is a pyramid scheme _three levels deep_!
132 2011-04-09 01:49:22 <Blitzboom> haha, theymos
133 2011-04-09 01:49:27 <mizerydearia> e.g. you could pay 0.01 bitcoins to post and the site would profit 0.01 bitcoins. This would not be pyramid scheme in any way. But it also would deter from posting.
134 2011-04-09 01:49:37 <Blitzboom> reminds me of inception
135 2011-04-09 01:50:21 <mizerydearia> hehe, three levels deep pyramid scheme
136 2011-04-09 01:51:00 <mizerydearia> hiya Spenvo
137 2011-04-09 01:51:22 <grbgout> 3 level deep pyramid scheme, so it's more like a sierpinski-triangle-scheme?
138 2011-04-09 01:51:30 <grbgout> http://pyx.sourceforge.net/gallery/path/sierpinski.html
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142 2011-04-09 01:52:00 <Spenvo> strange can good - or necessary. mizery just needs to spot the needs of users. witcoin can meet needs that other services cannot
143 2011-04-09 01:52:17 <theymos> Reminds me of traffic exchanges, where you advertise your referal links on other traffic exchanges, and you advertise those links on other exchanges, etc.
144 2011-04-09 01:52:27 <grbgout> yeah
145 2011-04-09 01:52:50 <Spenvo> i plan to host comments on witcoin, because i think it makes sense for a blog site to do so
146 2011-04-09 01:52:50 * mizerydearia wishes name were as cool as sierpinski
147 2011-04-09 01:53:04 * mizerydearia changes name to mizerydeariaski
148 2011-04-09 01:53:12 <Blitzboom> speaking of pyramid schemes ⦠anyone interested in a real pyramid scheme for 1 BTC? :P
149 2011-04-09 01:53:14 <grbgout> mizerydearia: I think his triangle is cooler than his name.
150 2011-04-09 01:53:21 <mizerydearia> I agree
151 2011-04-09 01:53:25 <grbgout> Blitzboom: isn't there one already?
152 2011-04-09 01:53:35 <Blitzboom> sure, but maybe someone missed it
153 2011-04-09 01:53:36 <grbgout> Blitzboom: http://fxnet.co.cc/
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155 2011-04-09 01:53:57 <Blitzboom> yeah, thatâs what iâm talking about
156 2011-04-09 01:54:44 <grbgout> lol, I should join it, and see which earns me more: the pyramid, or my mining rig ^_^
157 2011-04-09 01:54:54 <grbgout> I made my second BTC a few days ago =D
158 2011-04-09 01:54:55 <mizerydearia> ooh http://fxnet.co.cc/ has improved a bit. I never bothered to participate in it even though I had opportunity to be one of the first 5-10 participants
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160 2011-04-09 01:55:03 <Blitzboom> grbgout: http://fxnet.co.cc/?ref=435
161 2011-04-09 01:55:07 <Blitzboom> take my reflink :P
162 2011-04-09 01:55:10 <grbgout> Blitzboom: :P
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164 2011-04-09 01:55:42 <grbgout> That's probably why I'll never join it, I'm not likely to make the effort to spread my referral link.
165 2011-04-09 01:55:59 <mizerydearia> grbgout, You could post your referral link on witcoin ^_^
166 2011-04-09 01:56:16 <theymos> grbgout: You still have a chance to win the 0.5 random payout. I've made 38.9 BTC on fxnet. :)
167 2011-04-09 01:56:16 <Blitzboom> 50% are distributed randomly, so it could still pay off
168 2011-04-09 01:56:44 <grbgout> Oooh, but then I could setup my browser to report every link referal (referred from, or whatever, I don't remember the HTTP header) to be my pyramid referal, so admins reading their logs would be like, "wtf is that?" --- proxomitron style.
169 2011-04-09 01:56:50 <mizerydearia> theymos, ooh, nice profit!
170 2011-04-09 01:57:22 <mizerydearia> However, fxnet.co.cc seems to allow only for a snigle instance of participation
171 2011-04-09 01:57:30 <mizerydearia> Whereas witcoin allows infinite instances of participation ^_^
172 2011-04-09 01:57:56 <Blitzboom> only 422 users yet
173 2011-04-09 01:58:00 <mizerydearia> But there is no randonmess involved
174 2011-04-09 01:58:06 <theymos> Someone should create a Bitcoin traffic exchange or pay-to-click site. I like that stuff.
175 2011-04-09 01:58:21 <mizerydearia> randomness o_X
176 2011-04-09 01:58:22 <Blitzboom> me too, itâs fun
177 2011-04-09 01:58:22 <grbgout> BitterTea: it says 662 users, but only 422 active, what's that mean?
178 2011-04-09 01:58:40 <mizerydearia> ooh, I have an idea!
179 2011-04-09 01:59:14 <mizerydearia> How about a site with a single red button in the middle, and first you must invest bitcoins, send bitcoins to an address and then you can click the red button and for each click, you must pay a tiny amount... and click it as many times as you would like.
180 2011-04-09 01:59:25 <mizerydearia> And also at any time you can withdraw your remaining balance
181 2011-04-09 01:59:33 <mizerydearia> theymos, Is that a kind of site you would like maybe?
182 2011-04-09 01:59:58 <Blitzboom> i donât understand that idea
183 2011-04-09 02:00:04 <theymos> Maybe if there was a 1/1000 chance of increasing some points counter... ;)
184 2011-04-09 02:00:07 <mizerydearia> It would be a pay-to-click site
185 2011-04-09 02:00:21 <Blitzboom> i pay for a click and profit from the next one?
186 2011-04-09 02:00:26 <mizerydearia> hmm
187 2011-04-09 02:00:28 <Blitzboom> why would i click twice?
188 2011-04-09 02:00:38 <mizerydearia> click frenzy?
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190 2011-04-09 02:00:55 <theymos> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD69PAIqiYo
191 2011-04-09 02:01:02 <Blitzboom> if it were like the model of witcoin i would like it though
192 2011-04-09 02:01:09 <Blitzboom> click once and profit from all clicks thereafter
193 2011-04-09 02:01:10 <mizerydearia> hmm
194 2011-04-09 02:01:57 <Blitzboom> donât make it red though
195 2011-04-09 02:01:59 <Blitzboom> make it green
196 2011-04-09 02:02:10 <Blitzboom> no, golden
197 2011-04-09 02:02:11 <grbgout> mizerydearia: do you have access to the IP addresses of the posters?
198 2011-04-09 02:02:20 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Ehud Ben-Reuven * rcfa40a1d592e iOSApp/ (15 files in 3 dirs): 0.0.3 * Address command, shows the current address of the "" account. ** you can copy-paste the address http://tinyurl.com/3vvgc8t
199 2011-04-09 02:02:22 <grbgout> on witcoin, I mean
200 2011-04-09 02:02:22 <mizerydearia> LAWL video
201 2011-04-09 02:02:29 <mizerydearia> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD69PAIqiYo is AMAZING
202 2011-04-09 02:03:22 <Blitzboom> wait, i knew such a flashgame that consisted only of clicking a button
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205 2011-04-09 02:03:49 <Blitzboom> and youâd receive a line of text every x clicks
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207 2011-04-09 02:05:22 <mizerydearia> grbgout, I have access since I have access to the vps.
208 2011-04-09 02:05:58 <mizerydearia> But otherwise I don't store the ip addresses per post or anything like that.
209 2011-04-09 02:09:02 <mizerydearia> hmm, so, that mmo game is basically stripping all the fantasy and creativity from the mmo game. How can I create a user-generated content site that strips all the fantasy and creativity the user-generated content site.
210 2011-04-09 02:09:29 <mizerydearia> or, a user-generated content site without the creativity of user-generated content
211 2011-04-09 02:09:47 <mizerydearia> e.g. the content is not important, but merely the act of a user generating
212 2011-04-09 02:09:54 * mizerydearia thinks
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214 2011-04-09 02:10:25 <grbgout> that sounds like http://fxnet.co.cc/ to me
215 2011-04-09 02:10:35 <mizerydearia> hmm
216 2011-04-09 02:10:45 <mizerydearia> But users should be able to generate more than one instance
217 2011-04-09 02:10:54 <mizerydearia> e.g. participating more than once
218 2011-04-09 02:11:07 <grbgout> oh, so, like, mining.bitcoin.cz?
219 2011-04-09 02:11:11 <mizerydearia> hmm
220 2011-04-09 02:11:20 <grbgout> or deepbit.net
221 2011-04-09 02:11:21 <grbgout> or ...
222 2011-04-09 02:11:27 <grbgout> :)
223 2011-04-09 02:11:55 <mizerydearia> Except the proof of work should be without computer assistance
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227 2011-04-09 02:12:45 <mizerydearia> I would rather provide ability for humans to establish profits at their physical and mental efforts.
228 2011-04-09 02:12:55 <mizerydearia> or, profits isn't even important
229 2011-04-09 02:13:04 <mizerydearia> merely spending is okay too
230 2011-04-09 02:13:25 <mizerydearia> e.g. a click may cost 0.00000001 witcoins.
231 2011-04-09 02:13:42 <mizerydearia> s/w/b/
232 2011-04-09 02:14:18 <mizerydearia> Actually
233 2011-04-09 02:14:32 <mizerydearia> It may be fun to recreate http://fxnet.co.cc
234 2011-04-09 02:14:51 <mizerydearia> but instead of requiring 1 bitcoin, allow for 0.00000001 bitcoins.
235 2011-04-09 02:14:56 <mizerydearia> or any amount even
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240 2011-04-09 02:28:18 <mizerydearia> Soon there will be ~10,000 registered bitcoin forum accounts. If default cost for posting/replying/voting is 0.01, then for 10,000 users to post, reply or vote at least once, 100 bitcoins would be needed to allow for everyone to participate at least once.
241 2011-04-09 02:29:08 <mizerydearia> Would it make sense to provide some kind of effort to establish everyone to have opportunity to participate in the site immediately or would it be more suitable to allow for gradual userbase to exist?
242 2011-04-09 02:29:21 <mizerydearia> s/exist/grow/
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245 2011-04-09 02:31:31 <Spenvo> miz, hm, (my opinion) you need to target needs of users, and build some promotional landing pages. you're already advertising through google, you need to have a more targetted approach
246 2011-04-09 02:31:42 <mizerydearia> heh, I knew you were monitoring channel from beyond ^_^
247 2011-04-09 02:32:00 <Spenvo> yep
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249 2011-04-09 02:33:12 <mizerydearia> hmm, "needs of users"
250 2011-04-09 02:33:22 <mizerydearia> food, water, shelter, pleasure ^_^
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259 2011-04-09 02:38:42 <Spenvo> my parting thought: witcoin is a platform with potential that can be leveraged. but only if you understand the use-cases from the users' POV. for me, comments on my blog on witcoin make sense, so moving forward, I'll try that, but this is just one of many use cases
260 2011-04-09 02:39:05 <kiba> we want comment!
261 2011-04-09 02:39:08 <kiba> but the longer you take
262 2011-04-09 02:39:26 <kiba> the more opportunity you lost
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265 2011-04-09 02:39:49 <kiba> I am delaying adding commenting to bitcoinweekly as much as possible, mizerydearia
266 2011-04-09 02:40:09 <mizerydearia> ooh
267 2011-04-09 02:40:36 <Spenvo> mm, embeddable comments aren't the minimum viable product. i think i can have comments in a post on witcoin as is. but a service that operates on my blog would be nice eventually
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269 2011-04-09 02:41:08 <kiba> Spenvo: it does takes a lot of work
270 2011-04-09 02:41:22 <kiba> but a minimum viable product just mean the least feature to accomplish the job
271 2011-04-09 02:41:40 <Spenvo> one last point, your multi-log-in implementation is great for a comments system i think
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276 2011-04-09 02:42:20 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r0f576402221f spesmilo/main.py: Bugfix: first-run argument inconsistency http://tinyurl.com/67dprtn
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293 2011-04-09 02:52:10 <da2ce7> G'day
294 2011-04-09 02:52:47 <Keefe> does the rpc call getnewaddress remove the address from the keypool, so i can be sure it won't be used afterward for change or anything?
295 2011-04-09 02:53:08 <theymos> Yes.
296 2011-04-09 02:54:25 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * rd98beea / rpc.cpp :
297 2011-04-09 02:54:25 <CIA-89> bitcoin: rfc1123Time: increase buffer size for time string
298 2011-04-09 02:54:25 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Make sure we can accomodate all possibilities. - http://bit.ly/eA0Sx5
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300 2011-04-09 02:57:26 <luke-jr> jgarzik: that doesn't fix it
301 2011-04-09 02:57:41 <luke-jr> the longer timezone names are not compliant with the RFC
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305 2011-04-09 02:59:18 <luke-jr> the RFC allows UT(C?), GMT, EST/EDT, CST/CDT, MST/MDT, PST/PDT, [ZAMNY], and +/-HHMM
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310 2011-04-09 03:03:16 <luke-jr> jgarzik: in fact, "implementations SHOULD use numeric timezones instead of timezone names"
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312 2011-04-09 03:04:13 <luke-jr> so really, a better fix would be to use %z instead of %Z
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322 2011-04-09 03:12:16 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr rfc1123Time_localefix * r747053415aba bitcoind-personal/rpc.cpp: Bugfix: Use "%z" for timezone rather than "%Z" to more correctly comply with the RFC http://tinyurl.com/6h6few8
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331 2011-04-09 03:27:26 <Keefe> what's the easiest way to get the pubkey for a given address in my wallet?
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333 2011-04-09 03:28:02 <theymos> Look it up on Bitcoin Block Explorer. If it was ever used to send bitcoins, its public key will be listed.
334 2011-04-09 03:28:47 <theymos> I can't think of any way to do it otherwise (without modifying Bitcoin).
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336 2011-04-09 03:29:23 <Keefe> i need to do this for addresses that are not used yet. i'm looking at gavin's bitcointools...
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339 2011-04-09 03:29:53 <theymos> It's possible bitcointools can do it. You probably have to modify it so that it doesn't shorten the keys, though.
340 2011-04-09 03:30:55 <theymos> Last time I checked, the shortening was done in a small file called "util" or something.
341 2011-04-09 03:31:51 <Keefe> i've messed with that before, to get full hex for something else
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343 2011-04-09 03:33:33 <theymos> Maybe this is easier: https://github.com/dirtyfilthy/bc_key
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345 2011-04-09 03:36:45 * kiba spins his wheel idly
346 2011-04-09 03:37:02 <bitcoiner> someone tell me whats going with this 9547c845509c9d1cfa4fe970f1efa12ab1fbb89ea6563b1cd4882a61b173efcd
347 2011-04-09 03:37:29 <kiba> theymos: hmm, people are using your blockexplorer as a way to prove bitcoin transaction
348 2011-04-09 03:37:30 <Keefe> what is it?
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350 2011-04-09 03:37:44 <kiba> ever thought of streamlining the process?
351 2011-04-09 03:37:58 <theymos> bitcoiner: I don't see anything wrong with it.
352 2011-04-09 03:38:00 <bitcoiner> http://www.bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/ the last transaction on there is mine and stuck
353 2011-04-09 03:38:01 <theymos> kiba: How?
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355 2011-04-09 03:38:14 <bitcoiner> 0 confirm and only got 1 btc at mtgox instead of 4
356 2011-04-09 03:38:31 <theymos> bitcoiner: It's very large. That's why it's taking so long.
357 2011-04-09 03:38:48 <kiba> theymos: I don't know...maybe you could have an application where you paste your bitcoin address in
358 2011-04-09 03:38:51 <kiba> and other details
359 2011-04-09 03:38:52 <kiba> like
360 2011-04-09 03:38:55 <kiba> payment for blah
361 2011-04-09 03:39:02 <bitcoiner> mmm how long it can take ?
362 2011-04-09 03:39:43 <theymos> Its priority is probably quite low. Might take days.
363 2011-04-09 03:40:04 <bitcoiner> will I get the remaining 3 btc on mtgox when it get confirm ?
364 2011-04-09 03:40:16 <luke-jr> bitcoiner: you'll get all 4 then
365 2011-04-09 03:40:28 <luke-jr> the 1 BTC there now is unrelated
366 2011-04-09 03:40:28 <Keefe> you don't have part of it in mtgox
367 2011-04-09 03:40:51 <bitcoiner> well it shoes in my account
368 2011-04-09 03:40:57 <Keefe> something else then
369 2011-04-09 03:41:03 <Keefe> bitcoin txns are all or nothing
370 2011-04-09 03:41:26 <Keefe> i mean, mtgox isn't going to give you partial credit
371 2011-04-09 03:41:34 <luke-jr> [13:32:47] <ljrbot> TX 9547c845509c9d1cfa4fe970f1efa12ab1fbb89ea6563b1cd4882a61b173efcd: 18Et25yrJmuUZv2cJKUmnSyMMSW8z23hEv 4.00 BTC
372 2011-04-09 03:41:36 <luke-jr> [13:33:03] <ljrbot> TX 5b1f87be93b00e67e5f649261a891e92dbcde1da28b07a649677da9d4feb24b5: 18Et25yrJmuUZv2cJKUmnSyMMSW8z23hEv 1.00 BTC
373 2011-04-09 03:41:36 <theymos> kiba: Maybe I'll do something like that eventually. First I want to do 0-confirmation transactions. Then I'm going to: clean up my code, fix some annoyances that I've noticed, allow people to associate their identities with addresses, and implement some other frequently-requested features (like tree diagrams for addresses/transactions).
374 2011-04-09 03:41:41 <luke-jr> bitcoiner: you sent 1 BTC and 4 BTC
375 2011-04-09 03:41:52 <bitcoiner> yes because I was supposed to send 5 btc
376 2011-04-09 03:41:58 <bitcoiner> the first got in
377 2011-04-09 03:42:02 <bitcoiner> then I got only 1 btc
378 2011-04-09 03:42:15 <Keefe> the 1 btc was probably a simple txn
379 2011-04-09 03:42:27 <bitcoiner> they gave me 1 btc ?
380 2011-04-09 03:42:43 <luke-jr> bitcoiner: they received 1 BTC from you
381 2011-04-09 03:42:52 <kiba> theymos: yes, allow people to associate their identities with addresses and transaction
382 2011-04-09 03:42:55 <Keefe> i meant, mtgox isn't going to give you partial credit for a single txn
383 2011-04-09 03:43:15 <bitcoiner> 04/08/11 19:36 Add BTC 18Et25yrJmuUZv2cJKUmnSyMMSW8z23hEv 1 0 17.006 0.009
384 2011-04-09 03:43:17 <bitcoiner> 04/08/11 19:34 Add BTC 18Et25yrJmuUZv2cJKUmnSyMMSW8z23hEv 1 0 16.006 0.009
385 2011-04-09 03:43:58 <Keefe> mm, that 1 BTC is somewhat large also, but i guess small enough to pass quicker: http://blockexplorer.com/tx/5b1f87be93b00e67e5f649261a891e92dbcde1da28b07a649677da9d4feb24b5
386 2011-04-09 03:44:17 <Keefe> bitcoiner: why do you have such fragmented coins?
387 2011-04-09 03:44:25 <bitcoiner> pool ?
388 2011-04-09 03:44:27 <luke-jr> bitcoiner: you have too much change
389 2011-04-09 03:44:30 <theymos> kiba: That's planned. Anyone will be able to create "rumors" on any address, and you'll also be able to associate your verified identities with addresses. Verified identities might also be shown on transaction pages, and at least these (maybe also rumors) will be searchable.
390 2011-04-09 03:44:31 <Keefe> have a pool paying out too frequently?
391 2011-04-09 03:44:34 <luke-jr> bitcoiner: tell the pool not to send it until you get 1 BTC
392 2011-04-09 03:44:39 <bitcoiner> yeah i just did that
393 2011-04-09 03:45:27 <bitcoiner> thanks nywayz its just 3 btc
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408 2011-04-09 04:01:34 <Keefe> bitcoiner: it's 4
409 2011-04-09 04:01:48 <bitcoiner> yes but mtgox gave me 1 already
410 2011-04-09 04:01:54 <Keefe> 1 of 5
411 2011-04-09 04:01:59 <bitcoiner> no
412 2011-04-09 04:02:06 <bitcoiner> 2 out of 5
413 2011-04-09 04:02:13 <bitcoiner> 1 out of 1 and 1 out of 4
414 2011-04-09 04:02:14 <Keefe> you sent two txns, 1 btc and 4 btc
415 2011-04-09 04:02:18 <Keefe> no way
416 2011-04-09 04:02:22 <bitcoiner> yessss
417 2011-04-09 04:02:37 <bitcoiner> look
418 2011-04-09 04:03:03 <bitcoiner> 04/08/11 19:36 Add BTC 18Et25yrJmuUZv2cJKUmnSyMMSW8z23hEv 1 0 17.006 0.009
419 2011-04-09 04:03:05 <bitcoiner> 04/08/11 19:34 Add BTC 18Et25yrJmuUZv2cJKUmnSyMMSW8z23hEv 1 0 16.006 0.009
420 2011-04-09 04:03:07 <bitcoiner> 04/08/11 09:57 Add BTC 15fYLkSMdBaJetHQAxXmZsjUEQhZYDwF1H 5 0 15.006 0.009
421 2011-04-09 04:03:14 <bitcoiner> im supposed to have 20 btc
422 2011-04-09 04:03:37 <CIA-89> bitcoin: tcatm master * rd12ea88 / (init.cpp ui.cpp):
423 2011-04-09 04:03:37 <CIA-89> bitcoin: disable -daemon on windows; bitcoind forks only with -daemon set
424 2011-04-09 04:03:37 <CIA-89> bitcoin: [added setsid() call to ui.cpp, to regain consistency with init.cpp -jgarzik] - http://bit.ly/hDCh7z
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426 2011-04-09 04:03:54 <Keefe> now this is really not making sense. only a single 1 BTC txn has been received by 18Et25yrJmuUZv2cJKUmnSyMMSW8z23hEv
427 2011-04-09 04:04:02 <bitcoiner> these are my last 3 transaction 5 btc 1 btc and 4 btc
428 2011-04-09 04:04:09 <Keefe> why would mtgox creit you for that twice?
429 2011-04-09 04:04:26 <bitcoiner> I dont think they credited it
430 2011-04-09 04:04:44 <bitcoiner> I think it is 1 btc of my 4 btc transaction ?
431 2011-04-09 04:04:50 <Keefe> can't be
432 2011-04-09 04:04:53 <Keefe> they don't do that
433 2011-04-09 04:05:04 <bitcoiner> mmm
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435 2011-04-09 04:05:16 <Keefe> why would they? if all 4 is not considered good yet, why give you any of it?
436 2011-04-09 04:05:32 <Keefe> but i can't explain why you got two 1's
437 2011-04-09 04:05:40 <bitcoiner> it has something to do I was supposed to send 5 and I sent 1 then 4 ?
438 2011-04-09 04:06:26 <Keefe> bug, to your advantage?
439 2011-04-09 04:06:46 <bitcoiner> I didnt thot I got 1 free btc
440 2011-04-09 04:07:07 <bitcoiner> and stil not sure thats why I was wasking bout this transaction
441 2011-04-09 04:07:11 <Keefe> ping me when that pending 4 btc txn gets confirmed
442 2011-04-09 04:07:43 <bitcoiner> yeah np but this is weird
443 2011-04-09 04:08:29 <Keefe> theymos: it just dawned on me that the output of a coinbase txn isn't the same sctructure as the output of a standard txn
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446 2011-04-09 04:08:58 <Keefe> a standard txn can target an addr without knowing the pubkey
447 2011-04-09 04:09:22 <Keefe> a coinbase txn usually doesn't, though i suppose i could mod bitcoin to do so?
448 2011-04-09 04:10:33 <bitcoiner> it has something to do with all those little ammount I collected ? lol
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452 2011-04-09 04:16:20 <mrb_> MagicalTux: the all time graph on mtgox.com has been stale for a while. the time axis stops at March 19.
453 2011-04-09 04:19:17 <theymos> Keefe: Right. That's a transaction to a full public key instead of a hash. This format is also used for IP address transfers. The generation output can be anything, though, and you can even use multiple outputs.
454 2011-04-09 04:19:43 <Keefe> it would just stand out as unusual
455 2011-04-09 04:22:51 <theymos> Puddinpop's pool paid out directly to the miners. That was pretty cool. Every miner would get "Generated (0.07 matures in x)" or whatever.
456 2011-04-09 04:24:42 <Keefe> can you easily find me one of those on BE?
457 2011-04-09 04:26:27 <Keefe> < jgarzik> tcatm: yep. CReserveKey is a public key. It's easy to pass a single public key to CreateNewBlock()
458 2011-04-09 04:26:51 <Keefe> looks to me like that's only an output parameter?
459 2011-04-09 04:28:23 <theymos> Keefe: http://blockexplorer.com/tx/80853f00959702a11c2be709c6f4f3ffeec4e0bab3a2050a2eb9593e253cd3b6
460 2011-04-09 04:29:41 <Keefe> theymos: thanks!
461 2011-04-09 04:31:04 <theymos> Unfortunately, bitcoind can't see these outputs, so users weren't able to use MyBitcoin, etc. to receive these pool payments.
462 2011-04-09 04:32:00 <Keefe> if bitcoind doesn't see it, how could they be spent at all?
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464 2011-04-09 04:32:32 <Keefe> is there a reason for that first output being a pubkey?
465 2011-04-09 04:33:02 <theymos> It's rounding error that went back to the pool. It could have gone to an address.
466 2011-04-09 04:33:38 <theymos> It goes into the main wallet, but commands like "getreceivedbyaddress" exclude generation outputs.
467 2011-04-09 04:33:47 <Keefe> ok
468 2011-04-09 04:34:40 <Keefe> i'm working on an idea for selling uncirculated coins
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470 2011-04-09 04:35:20 <Keefe> the buyer would give me a new address (getnewaddress so it's sure to not be used before or after), and my miners would use that as the coinbase txn output until the first block is found
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472 2011-04-09 04:37:21 <Keefe> ideally, it would be an output to the pubkey for their address, to avoid the complications you described, and to not stand out in the block chain as unusual
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475 2011-04-09 04:38:00 <Keefe> but it will be too much trouble to get my customers to run an additional binary or compile source to obtain the pubkey
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477 2011-04-09 04:39:52 <theymos> Doing address transactions in generations wouldn't be bad if you weren't the only one doing them.
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479 2011-04-09 04:48:49 <EvanR> kiba: where do i send you globulation mone
480 2011-04-09 04:48:50 <EvanR> y
481 2011-04-09 04:51:05 <mizerydearia> In considering 'rolling out' 3rd party comment system for other sites to embed comments on their site using witcoin, which seems more likely: a site having comments spanning across several categories, each post/entry (on the 3rd party site) perhaps a different category or all posts/entries showing in a single category on witcoin?
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483 2011-04-09 04:53:32 <kiba> EvanR: You just pledge some bitcoin
484 2011-04-09 04:53:37 <EvanR> oh
485 2011-04-09 04:53:41 <kiba> and send me money later
486 2011-04-09 04:53:47 <EvanR> done
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488 2011-04-09 04:55:04 <kiba> EvanR: you do know that it's going to be hard for me to get retail
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490 2011-04-09 04:55:39 <EvanR> why?
491 2011-04-09 04:55:57 <EvanR> box art?
492 2011-04-09 04:56:09 <EvanR> windows support?
493 2011-04-09 04:56:27 <kiba> EvanR: It's a browser game, not a desktop game
494 2011-04-09 04:56:32 <kiba> but it's bleeding edge
495 2011-04-09 04:56:53 <EvanR> the main method to get the game is to browse to a link and not pay?
496 2011-04-09 04:57:12 <kiba> not quite
497 2011-04-09 04:57:22 <kiba> it's a micropayment game
498 2011-04-09 04:57:30 <EvanR> oh
499 2011-04-09 04:57:37 <[Tycho]> Do you have screenshot ?
500 2011-04-09 04:57:55 <kiba> No, but I have screenshot of my previous game that I am working on
501 2011-04-09 04:58:06 <EvanR> then you can sell a box with '10 free micropayments' which is a code you can enter in at the site
502 2011-04-09 04:58:20 <[Tycho]> Give me a link to gallery :)
503 2011-04-09 04:58:50 <kiba> well
504 2011-04-09 04:58:54 <kiba> I can give you a link to the game
505 2011-04-09 04:58:59 <kiba> but then I have to start up the server
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507 2011-04-09 04:59:32 <[Tycho]> No, i'm talking about previous one.
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509 2011-04-09 05:00:40 <kiba> [Tycho]: I meant that
510 2011-04-09 05:01:00 <kiba> I have an actual working implementation that's a bit buggy
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515 2011-04-09 05:08:17 <Keefe> seems dirtyfilthy's bc_key doesn't handle testnet correctly?
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517 2011-04-09 05:08:28 <[Tycho]> But you said that you have a screenshot.
518 2011-04-09 05:08:29 <Keefe> it thinks all the keys in my testnet wallet start with 1
519 2011-04-09 05:08:51 <[Tycho]> Or it's completely offline ?
520 2011-04-09 05:09:39 <theymos> Keefe: It'll be a pretty simple change to the code to fix that. You just need to change the address version to 111 (decimal). You could also use my online tools to convert from one version to the other: http://blockexplorer.com/q
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523 2011-04-09 05:11:00 <Keefe> do the keys in a wallet specify their version, so theoretically bc_key should be able to detect that and display properly?
524 2011-04-09 05:12:33 <theymos> No. Maybe testnet should put some marker in the wallet so this can be detected.
525 2011-04-09 05:13:12 <Keefe> ok, i'll just edit line 162 as you suggested
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597 2011-04-09 08:30:44 <jgarzik> heh: "So let's start: who is interested to sell Bitcoins at $2/BTC? And how many?"
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604 2011-04-09 08:46:00 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
605 2011-04-09 08:46:01 <gribble> 117462
606 2011-04-09 08:46:16 <sipa> jgarzik: wth?
607 2011-04-09 08:46:48 <jgarzik> sipa: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5613.0
608 2011-04-09 08:49:11 <sacarlson> jgarzik: $2/btc I have 5 btc to sell
609 2011-04-09 08:49:48 <sacarlson> jgarzik: but you should go to #bitcoin-otc to get a better price
610 2011-04-09 08:52:52 <[Tycho]> sacarlson, that guy is talking about 200 000 - 400 000 BTC. 5 BTC won't really help :)
611 2011-04-09 08:54:17 <sacarlson> [Tycho]: oh ok well I know someone that is selling 2000 btc I think there is a big buyer looking to buy 100,000 usd worth on bitcoin-otc
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615 2011-04-09 09:00:02 <sacarlson> that's one of the faults I seem to see in this system is it seems it will never have enuf liquidity with the max quantity it has. as compared to gold that has 10 billion ounces with grouth of 50 mil ounces per year and it has a value of over $1300 . so if this market was to grow the value per btc would get too big
616 2011-04-09 09:01:00 <sacarlson> or would that mater since you could generate .00000001 transactions?
617 2011-04-09 09:01:06 <mtrlt> it wouldn't matter
618 2011-04-09 09:01:11 <gjs278> eventually, .01 bitcoins could be worth $1
619 2011-04-09 09:02:05 <sacarlson> gjs278: yes or .01 could be worth $100 and that's the smalist transaction? it just might get too big and you would need another linked coin for smaller transactions
620 2011-04-09 09:02:19 <gjs278> the smallest is like .0000000001 or something
621 2011-04-09 09:02:22 <gjs278> so it doesnt matter
622 2011-04-09 09:02:44 <gjs278> .01 is just an example of what we could expect
623 2011-04-09 09:02:53 <sipa> 0.00000001
624 2011-04-09 09:02:59 <gjs278> yeah there you go
625 2011-04-09 09:03:09 <sacarlson> gjs278: no I have found at bellow .01 or slightly smaller there is a fee that would negate the movement of any value
626 2011-04-09 09:03:09 <sipa> the current version of the client limits it to 0.01, but that will change
627 2011-04-09 09:03:10 <mtrlt> 10 nanobitcoins :P
628 2011-04-09 09:03:21 <gjs278> you dont pay the fee
629 2011-04-09 09:03:27 <gjs278> just let it run without the transaction
630 2011-04-09 09:03:45 <sipa> the protocol works fine up to 0.00000001, and in the long term fees will be unavoidable anyway
631 2011-04-09 09:03:59 <sacarlson> gjs278: I tried to send .021 today and it failed for me
632 2011-04-09 09:04:00 <gjs278> I'll wait my whole life if it means keeping .01 bitcoins
633 2011-04-09 09:04:07 <sipa> yes the current client doesn't allow you to
634 2011-04-09 09:04:25 <sipa> but that's just a temporary measure to prevent "transaction spam"
635 2011-04-09 09:04:25 <gjs278> why couldn't he send .021 coins?
636 2011-04-09 09:04:36 <gjs278> that's 2 cents, it's above .01
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638 2011-04-09 09:04:48 <gjs278> is it because of his 1 at the end
639 2011-04-09 09:05:02 <sipa> it also has limited precision current, but that'll change in the next version already
640 2011-04-09 09:05:06 <sipa> +ly
641 2011-04-09 09:05:23 <gjs278> sacarlson try sending .02 in that case
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643 2011-04-09 09:05:43 <sacarlson> gjs278: I did end up sending .02 with success
644 2011-04-09 09:06:08 <gjs278> cool
645 2011-04-09 09:06:10 <sipa> as i said, all these things are either problems with the current implementation or the currently implemented policy
646 2011-04-09 09:06:13 <sipa> *policy
647 2011-04-09 09:06:37 <gjs278> right now sending .021 is pretty pointless when you figure our current value, but it will be fixed in the future
648 2011-04-09 09:06:41 <sipa> and have nothing to do with the protocol, which neither forces a fee, nor has any minimum-size for transactions
649 2011-04-09 09:06:50 <sacarlson> sipa: policy that runs on my running version or all the network?
650 2011-04-09 09:07:08 <[Tycho]> You can send 0.021 using command-line interface
651 2011-04-09 09:07:12 <sipa> some miners for example will accept any transaction without fee
652 2011-04-09 09:07:24 <sacarlson> [Tycho]: oh ok cool
653 2011-04-09 09:07:34 <sipa> and indeed, the command-line interface does not have the precision problem the gui has
654 2011-04-09 09:08:00 <sipa> but the client will currently not allow you to send anything below 0.01 without a fee
655 2011-04-09 09:08:12 <gjs278> can you send 1 coin without a fee
656 2011-04-09 09:08:21 <gjs278> how long will it take
657 2011-04-09 09:08:36 <sipa> depends on the relative network speed of those feeless-accepting miners
658 2011-04-09 09:08:46 <gjs278> lets say I did it right now
659 2011-04-09 09:08:47 <gjs278> how long
660 2011-04-09 09:08:50 <fimp> do you know who's behind http://www.bitcoinme.com/ ? it says that transactions will always be free
661 2011-04-09 09:09:17 <sacarlson> sipa: I have plans to setup a pokerth link to a pot holder that will use very small numbers, I had hoped for super small chips of .00001 btc today I played a .04 btc pot with 6000 total chips
662 2011-04-09 09:09:27 <gjs278> because I tried to send one coin like two hours ago using the gui and it seems to have no confirmations yet
663 2011-04-09 09:10:43 <sacarlson> gjs278: my averge for transactions of on averge about .02 btc is about 40 minits
664 2011-04-09 09:10:52 <gjs278> lol
665 2011-04-09 09:11:50 <gjs278> do I have to leave bitcoin running or can I close it after hitting send
666 2011-04-09 09:13:24 <topi`> bitcoin.app runs a process called "spindump" at the startup. what is this used for? it eats some % of cpu.
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669 2011-04-09 09:16:49 <sacarlson> sipa: is there a standard fee or can I set mine to be very small so I would get more transactions and collect more fee's?
670 2011-04-09 09:17:45 <sacarlson> I mined for two days untill I found out that it would probly take 12 years to get my first block
671 2011-04-09 09:19:32 <[Tycho]> sacarlson, you should use pools for mining. And buy a GPU.
672 2011-04-09 09:20:17 <sacarlson> gjs278: I would think after you send and the reciever see's the transaction you can shutdown your side but the reciever might want to stay on to wait for his confermations
673 2011-04-09 09:20:58 <sacarlson> [Tycho]: I'm poor can't aford a new gpu, I got a nvidia that seems to be not suported by cuda
674 2011-04-09 09:21:34 <topi`> old gpu's won't do...
675 2011-04-09 09:22:03 <sacarlson> topi`: ` I love my gpu works very well in linux
676 2011-04-09 09:22:15 <topi`> sacarlson: good for ya :)
677 2011-04-09 09:22:54 <topi`> sacarlson: anyways, you might want to calculate the cost of mining per kilowatt on your hardware and current difficulty and then make decisions about whether or not it would be better to just trade dollars for BTC :)
678 2011-04-09 09:23:22 <topi`> I exposed myself to learn to use a bit of javascript, and whipped up this kind of calculator yesterday:
679 2011-04-09 09:23:24 <sacarlson> my system need to run 24/7 anyway not sure how much more it would cost for more cpu cycles
680 2011-04-09 09:23:25 <topi`> http://uni.kaverit.org/%7etopi/calculate.html
681 2011-04-09 09:23:57 <topi`> sacarlson: you can check that using a watt meter :)
682 2011-04-09 09:24:18 <topi`> but most CPU's idle at around 1 watt and consume >50 watts while doing active work
683 2011-04-09 09:24:27 <sacarlson> topi`: well at 12 years it wasn't even worth the bandwidth it takes
684 2011-04-09 09:25:13 <sacarlson> topi`: so I hope to win it in poker gambling
685 2011-04-09 09:25:36 <topi`> :)
686 2011-04-09 09:26:34 <topi`> my little bro has a recent GPU so I pay him part of the electricity to get some bitcoins :)
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692 2011-04-09 09:55:44 <Keefe> bitcoiner: how's your mtgox account look now? the 4 btc txn should be processed by now
693 2011-04-09 10:00:30 * MagicalTux pokes jgarzik
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697 2011-04-09 10:45:10 <sacarlson> I had a thought that might be a stupid idea but what if you add sub coins that are like bonds, the bond is sold and broken into coins that can be sold as many times to many people before the bond is due
698 2011-04-09 10:45:57 <sacarlson> sold or traded for goods and services
699 2011-04-09 10:46:56 <sacarlson> the coin group could be a bond or maybe an equity or thing like a car or land
700 2011-04-09 10:47:39 <sipa> sacarlson: the fee is determined by the sender (and/or his client), and the miner either accept or doesn't accept the transaction
701 2011-04-09 10:47:44 <sacarlson> it might fit into the #bitcoin-otc market
702 2011-04-09 10:47:51 <sipa> but the miner can't determine the fee itself
703 2011-04-09 10:48:42 <sacarlson> sipa: oh ok so an outbid sender will get first dibs on the network action
704 2011-04-09 10:49:03 <sipa> ?
705 2011-04-09 10:49:06 <sacarlson> sipa: or I should say the highist bidder sender gets service
706 2011-04-09 10:49:19 <sipa> more or less, but there is no limit
707 2011-04-09 10:49:40 <sipa> to a miner, there is no cost for adding another transaction to a block
708 2011-04-09 10:50:10 <sipa> so if some miner doesn't accept a tx, some other miner may
709 2011-04-09 10:52:20 <sacarlson> sipa: as far as my bond idea seems all that would be needed to add would be a code of what the owner owns, instead of just a count of how many btc
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711 2011-04-09 10:53:27 <sipa> the network does *not* store how many btc someone has
712 2011-04-09 10:53:59 <sacarlson> sipa: well something you hold must keep track of it
713 2011-04-09 10:54:04 <sipa> there are simply coins, each with an address on them of who is allowed to spend it
714 2011-04-09 10:55:03 <sipa> and if you own that address (and can prove it through a signature with the corresponding private key), you're allowed to take such a coin, combine it with other coins, and break it up again in other coins, possibly addressed to someone else
715 2011-04-09 10:55:23 <sacarlson> sipa: well what would stop from adding to it and address with quantity of coins and a code for what coin or thing it is?
716 2011-04-09 10:56:26 <sacarlson> sipa: and yet keep it compatible with the original concept
717 2011-04-09 10:57:48 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
718 2011-04-09 10:57:49 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":0.785,"low":0.7309,"vol":12573,"buy":0.74,"sell":0.7699,"last":0.7401}}
719 2011-04-09 10:58:22 <sacarlson> JFK911: I paid .75 today for 10 btc
720 2011-04-09 10:58:30 <gjs278> how
721 2011-04-09 10:58:44 <gjs278> you mean 75 cents total?
722 2011-04-09 10:58:45 <sacarlson> gjs278: I bought it with paypal
723 2011-04-09 10:58:46 <gjs278> or each
724 2011-04-09 10:58:55 <sacarlson> oh no .75 each
725 2011-04-09 10:58:57 <gjs278> lol
726 2011-04-09 10:58:59 <gjs278> ok
727 2011-04-09 10:59:23 <JFK911> last week some lucky sobs bought btc in the .50 range
728 2011-04-09 10:59:49 <sacarlson> gjs278: I was just comparing with what I saw the ticker say that jfk911 displayed
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735 2011-04-09 11:06:37 <gjs278> JFK911 yeah, the lucky sob was named "mtgox"
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739 2011-04-09 11:30:12 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
740 2011-04-09 11:30:14 <gribble> Current Blocks: 117481 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 1462 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 14 hours, 40 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 87207.89782533
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742 2011-04-09 11:54:09 <Xunie> Argh mateys, what be goin' on in Bitcoin land today.
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744 2011-04-09 11:58:36 <JFK911> ;;bc,calc 400000
745 2011-04-09 11:58:37 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 400000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 1 week, 3 days, 5 hours, 36 minutes, and 36 seconds
746 2011-04-09 11:58:59 <sirius-m> Trends slightly up after a slight decline. MtGox has full euro bank automation which is great for the economy. New website.
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752 2011-04-09 12:25:38 <topi`> know what. we ought to persuade JULIAN ASSANGE to do some promotion of bitcoin for us :)
753 2011-04-09 12:25:44 <topi`> that would get people's attention :)
754 2011-04-09 12:27:04 <sipa> that issue's been brought up a few times
755 2011-04-09 12:27:23 <sipa> personally, i don't like associating bitcoin with any political side
756 2011-04-09 12:27:42 <xelister> topi`: usafags may then be "after bitcoin" (or rather, their government)
757 2011-04-09 12:28:23 <sipa> bitcoin is a simply a very useful way of transferring and storing value
758 2011-04-09 12:28:24 <xelister> even here, ##linux main operator, PsiJack is against wiki-leaks and says Assange should be prosecuted/arrested/etc. Well, PsiJack is ex-military. Nice op for ##linux eh?
759 2011-04-09 12:33:45 <topi`> xeli: well, it's an old fact that there are different kinds of ppl among the hacker archetype. liberals, conservatives, all sorts.
760 2011-04-09 12:34:27 <topi`> not talking about political things here
761 2011-04-09 12:37:50 <xelister> but opensource obviously is about more freedom, by definition
762 2011-04-09 12:38:59 <topi`> maybe some ppl think that freedom is good as long as it's not undermining their principles or whatnot
763 2011-04-09 12:39:13 <topi`> pick'n'choose
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765 2011-04-09 12:45:17 <xelister> heh http://i.imgur.com/JScb8.jpg
766 2011-04-09 12:46:07 <dinox> hi, need help with compiling puddinpop's remoteserver
767 2011-04-09 12:46:08 <dinox> http://pastebin.com/qzLSQQqF
768 2011-04-09 12:46:18 <dinox> its on os x btw
769 2011-04-09 12:46:55 <dinox> cuda is disabled in options but it doesnt care about that...
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771 2011-04-09 13:07:06 <JFK911> ;;bc,calc 64000
772 2011-04-09 13:07:07 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 64000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 9 weeks, 0 days, 23 hours, 3 minutes, and 48 seconds
773 2011-04-09 13:07:11 <JFK911> ;;bc,gen 64000
774 2011-04-09 13:07:12 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 64000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 0.781726621174 BTC per day and 0.0325719425489 BTC per hour.
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778 2011-04-09 13:48:35 <idnar> xelister: free software is about freedom, open source is a different matter
779 2011-04-09 13:49:12 <JFK911> open source! The freedom to ignore QA obligations.
780 2011-04-09 13:49:20 <idnar> haha
781 2011-04-09 13:49:23 <JFK911> The freedom to release without getting signoffs!
782 2011-04-09 13:49:38 <JFK911> bitcoin is coming along great
783 2011-04-09 13:49:41 <JFK911> i have to say that
784 2011-04-09 13:50:00 <idnar> you have to? is somebody holding a gun to your head? >:)
785 2011-04-09 13:50:20 <JFK911> Yeah, my conscience.
786 2011-04-09 13:50:30 <JFK911> I can't rip on bitcoin for being FOSS when it doesnt have any serious known issues.
787 2011-04-09 13:52:21 <idnar> how about the issues with amounts <0.01?
788 2011-04-09 13:53:50 <idnar> anyhow, your complaints are more about non-commercial software than free software ;)
789 2011-04-09 13:53:58 <JFK911> i consider that a user error since the lack of implementation is known
790 2011-04-09 13:54:04 <luke-jr> idnar++
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792 2011-04-09 13:54:35 <luke-jr> idnar: on the other hand, topi` has triggered me to seriously reconsider whether I support free software, or perhaps I ought to only support open source <.<
793 2011-04-09 13:54:48 <idnar> hah
794 2011-04-09 13:54:58 <JFK911> hm, like redhat? it's 'free'ish but 'commercial'
795 2011-04-09 13:55:07 <JFK911> good enough for the military
796 2011-04-09 13:55:15 <idnar> or Canonical
797 2011-04-09 13:55:21 <JFK911> bad example of QA
798 2011-04-09 13:57:00 <idnar> what it comes down to is that if you're just hacking on some software for yourself, you probably only care about yourself; when you have paying users (or users you indirectly profit from), you tend to pay more attention to their concerns
799 2011-04-09 13:57:21 <idnar> that doesn't necessarily lead to caring more about releasing quality software, but it does at least require somewhat of a shift in viewpoint
800 2011-04-09 13:57:35 <JFK911> right, i think there has to be a market for people other than myself tho
801 2011-04-09 13:57:46 <JFK911> when you are developing technical and specialized applications thats okay
802 2011-04-09 13:57:52 <idnar> but the important thing to note is that whether you're releasing the source code or not has little or no impact on any of that
803 2011-04-09 13:57:57 <JFK911> when you are developing a "desktop," then hahahaha
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805 2011-04-09 13:58:43 <idnar> despite RMS's deranged ranting, the average user wants somebody else to take care of the details for them, whether it's Debian or Canonical or Apple or whoever else
806 2011-04-09 13:58:59 <idnar> and I don't have any expectations that that's suddenly going to change any time soon
807 2011-04-09 13:59:03 <JFK911> debian's proven to be untrustworthy with details http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys
808 2011-04-09 13:59:09 <JFK911> created a hassle for the whole world
809 2011-04-09 13:59:18 <JFK911> because of stupidity
810 2011-04-09 13:59:28 <idnar> "With enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow" is a nice little quip, but in reality, it only works if you have a capable brain sitting behind those eyeballs
811 2011-04-09 13:59:38 <idnar> and software design involves a heck of a lot more than just eyeballing bugs
812 2011-04-09 13:59:40 <JFK911> thanks mark shuttleworth for propagating this debian "oops"
813 2011-04-09 14:00:01 <luke-jr> idnar: but proprietary software always has *less* eyes
814 2011-04-09 14:00:07 <idnar> as you increase the scope of the issue you're dealing with, the number of eyeballs involved actually makes things worse; you can't design by committee
815 2011-04-09 14:00:19 <idnar> luke-jr: indeed
816 2011-04-09 14:00:30 <JFK911> fewer eyes that are attached to smarter brains = win
817 2011-04-09 14:00:32 <luke-jr> at least with free software, anyone who cares can hire any third party to review the code
818 2011-04-09 14:00:36 <idnar> luke-jr: but ultimately, as a developer the reason why *I* care about free software is that I can use *my* eyeballs
819 2011-04-09 14:00:51 <luke-jr> idnar: yep, and the original developers KNOW you can
820 2011-04-09 14:00:56 <JFK911> thousands of eyes attached to laypeople = FAQ gets long and progress slows
821 2011-04-09 14:00:57 <idnar> luke-jr: if there's a bug in the Linux kernel or something that breaks my software, I do have the option to go hunt it down and fix it myself
822 2011-04-09 14:00:58 <luke-jr> so they're not going to put anything malicious in
823 2011-04-09 14:01:19 <xelister> idnar: open source is freedom in area of code reverseengeenering and usually more or less in area of patents and copyrights
824 2011-04-09 14:01:29 <idnar> luke-jr: if there's a bug in the Microsoft kernel, I can theoretically hunt it down and binary-patch it myself, but that's heading beyond the realms of sanity; so my only realistic option is to beg Microsoft to fix it
825 2011-04-09 14:02:04 <idnar> and unless I'm one of a handful of extremely large players (which I'm not), they're probably not going to pay much attention to me
826 2011-04-09 14:02:21 <JFK911> Well there's the question of "what's a defect"
827 2011-04-09 14:02:34 <idnar> but now we start heading into issues of how a free software project is actually run
828 2011-04-09 14:02:39 <xelister> yea, and freedom to change the code
829 2011-04-09 14:02:41 <JFK911> a genuine defect would get more attention than just you
830 2011-04-09 14:02:47 <JFK911> sometimes perceived defects are user error
831 2011-04-09 14:02:51 <idnar> for example, if I'm writing something based on Android, I can grab the source code and fix some bug myself
832 2011-04-09 14:03:06 <idnar> but now I want to get the fix into the main Android distribution... that's not so easy
833 2011-04-09 14:03:24 <idnar> the software may be "free software" by some definitions, but it's not a free software *project*
834 2011-04-09 14:03:58 <idnar> because development is still locked up inside a walled citadel
835 2011-04-09 14:04:03 <JFK911> if an app developer hits a corner case maybe he should deal with it in his app
836 2011-04-09 14:04:26 <JFK911> instead of jumping to this 'this is broken' conclusion which could mean 'ms did it silly and i dont understand how because no rtfm'
837 2011-04-09 14:04:48 <JFK911> people like to think 'its broken if it doesnt work the same way this other thing i saw before'
838 2011-04-09 14:04:59 <idnar> JFK911: well, since I'm talking about a hypothetical defect, let's assume it's a real defect, not just me being a bad programmer
839 2011-04-09 14:05:40 <JFK911> ms fixes lots of defects
840 2011-04-09 14:05:47 <JFK911> check out what's coming on tuesday
841 2011-04-09 14:05:56 <JFK911> im sure some of them have been a while in coming tho
842 2011-04-09 14:06:00 <idnar> sure, but there are many more defects they don't fix
843 2011-04-09 14:06:32 <idnar> I don't even think it's "wrong" that perhaps they care about other defects but not about the one that matters to me
844 2011-04-09 14:06:44 <JFK911> there could be library bugs that i dont know much about because im not a windoze dev
845 2011-04-09 14:06:58 <luke-jr> xelister: reverse engineering is fair use
846 2011-04-09 14:06:58 <idnar> it still affects me though, so *I* care about it; but with MS software, I don't really have any recourse
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849 2011-04-09 14:08:10 <JFK911> having to chase a defect is going to cost you either way
850 2011-04-09 14:08:50 <idnar> JFK911: I just don't like being in a situation where I don't have any recourse at all
851 2011-04-09 14:09:25 <idnar> it might not be easy to track down the bug in my ethernet driver that causes it to OOPS when I send a certain sequence of bytes over a TCP connection, but at least it's within the realm of reasonable possibility
852 2011-04-09 14:09:35 <idnar> (well, maybe a stupid example, but whatever)
853 2011-04-09 14:10:03 <JFK911> that sounds like a linux problem. windows would OOPS if you disconnected the NIC while the machine was sleeping.
854 2011-04-09 14:10:07 <idnar> I don't even have to do it myself, I could pay somebody else to do it
855 2011-04-09 14:10:27 <JFK911> is that a defect? maybe. its the only time i have had windows crash in years and years
856 2011-04-09 14:10:35 <JFK911> but i know not to do that
857 2011-04-09 14:11:14 <idnar> another advantage of having access to the source code is that it makes it easier to figure out if some behaviour is actually a bug, or just confusing intended behaviour
858 2011-04-09 14:12:52 <idnar> I remember spending hours black-box reverse-engineering DirectX error codes, because the documentation was hugely inaccurate; it would have been a lot simpler if I could have just consulted the implementation directly
859 2011-04-09 14:13:15 <idnar> and in most cases, if there was an actual "bug" anywhere, it was just in the documentation; but still...
860 2011-04-09 14:14:19 <kiba> yay!
861 2011-04-09 14:14:27 <kiba> I raised 260 BTC out of 1200 BTC so far
862 2011-04-09 14:14:56 <idnar> I guess what it comes down to is that as a programmer, what I do is read and write source code; so I like having *all* of the source code at my disposal for reading and writing purposes
863 2011-04-09 14:16:12 <xelister> kiba: whare are you finidng the investors?
864 2011-04-09 14:17:08 <kiba> investors?
865 2011-04-09 14:17:11 <kiba> what invenstors?
866 2011-04-09 14:17:20 <kiba> I have customers
867 2011-04-09 14:17:22 <kiba> not investors
868 2011-04-09 14:17:32 <kiba> or more like...patrons of the art
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870 2011-04-09 14:22:39 <JFK911> ;;bc,gen 150000
871 2011-04-09 14:22:40 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 150000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 1.83217176838 BTC per day and 0.076340490349 BTC per hour.
872 2011-04-09 14:22:50 <JFK911> ;;bc,calc 150000
873 2011-04-09 14:22:51 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 150000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 3 weeks, 6 days, 6 hours, 57 minutes, and 37 seconds
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890 2011-04-09 15:20:19 <bitcoiner> keefe they owe me 3 btc
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893 2011-04-09 15:38:37 <cosurgi> dang, one of my GPUs went nuts. Fan speed can't go higher than 85%, temp keeps between 91 - 95 C
894 2011-04-09 15:38:51 <bitcoiner> not good
895 2011-04-09 15:39:08 <cosurgi> all 7 other GPUs stay at nice 80 C and fan speed 100%
896 2011-04-09 15:39:24 <cosurgi> I have no idea what happened. I have already disabled atideamon
897 2011-04-09 15:39:24 <bitcoiner> maybe clean the fan
898 2011-04-09 15:39:37 <cosurgi> hmmm
899 2011-04-09 15:39:54 <bitcoiner> I know mine got cooler when I removed dust
900 2011-04-09 15:39:55 <cosurgi> right now I can't reach it - it's 15km away. I'll see it on monday
901 2011-04-09 15:40:00 <bitcoiner> lol
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903 2011-04-09 15:40:29 <bitcoiner> I was wondering if a cpu or gpu can catch on fire by itself
904 2011-04-09 15:40:45 <cosurgi> but the server room has air conditioning and the air stays rather clean, so I don't think this could be dust....
905 2011-04-09 15:41:13 <Diablo-D3> er
906 2011-04-09 15:41:26 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: got any idea?
907 2011-04-09 15:41:33 <Diablo-D3> whats the command to disable crossfire? ati-config --init --devices all -f?
908 2011-04-09 15:41:33 <cosurgi> I can show you rrd graphs if you want
909 2011-04-09 15:41:50 <cosurgi> wasn't that something about -cf off ?
910 2011-04-09 15:41:53 <Diablo-D3> er aticonfig
911 2011-04-09 15:41:59 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: no, -cf does nothing
912 2011-04-09 15:42:17 <Diablo-D3> --adapters=all
913 2011-04-09 15:42:54 <Diablo-D3> aticonfig --initial --adapter=all -f
914 2011-04-09 15:43:45 <cosurgi> aticonfig --initial -f --adapter=all
915 2011-04-09 15:45:24 <cosurgi> I wonder if maybe that one GPU isn't getting enough power. It was working for months though...
916 2011-04-09 15:46:11 <Diablo-D3> its possible
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918 2011-04-09 15:47:23 <cosurgi> https://sites.google.com/site/cosurgi/
919 2011-04-09 15:47:34 <cosurgi> do you see graphs, or did I mess something?
920 2011-04-09 15:48:14 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: what issue are you having exactly?
921 2011-04-09 15:48:18 <cosurgi> it is: 1) temperature 24h, 48h, 2weeks. then 2) miner_1, miner_2, miner_3
922 2011-04-09 15:48:27 <cosurgi> the temperature on miner_3
923 2011-04-09 15:48:28 <Diablo-D3> I only see one graph
924 2011-04-09 15:48:32 <cosurgi> on 1st GPU
925 2011-04-09 15:49:11 <cosurgi> hmm. so I messed something, try refreshing?
926 2011-04-09 15:49:42 <cosurgi> hmm, hold on.
927 2011-04-09 15:50:17 * cosurgi tries to understand sites.google
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929 2011-04-09 15:57:08 <cosurgi> ok..
930 2011-04-09 15:57:15 <cosurgi> I uploaded all images again.
931 2011-04-09 15:57:19 <cosurgi> now it should work
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933 2011-04-09 15:59:17 <cosurgi> one GPU on miner_3 is all messed up, for 12 hours, so far.
934 2011-04-09 15:59:21 <cosurgi> Do you see the graphs?
935 2011-04-09 15:59:52 <Diablo-D3> now I do
936 2011-04-09 15:59:59 <cosurgi> cool.
937 2011-04-09 16:00:06 <cosurgi> sorry about language it's mixed polish/english
938 2011-04-09 16:00:07 <Diablo-D3> man twtf temps
939 2011-04-09 16:00:13 <Diablo-D3> whats the one that goes apeshit there
940 2011-04-09 16:00:36 <Diablo-D3> because anything over 85c is bad
941 2011-04-09 16:01:26 <cosurgi> it's an 5850 if I remember correctly.
942 2011-04-09 16:01:32 <cosurgi> just started behaving bad
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944 2011-04-09 16:02:15 <cosurgi> I forgot how I could check the model...
945 2011-04-09 16:02:16 <cosurgi> Adapter 0 - ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series Sensor 0: Temperature - 93.50 C
946 2011-04-09 16:02:25 <Diablo-D3> yeah, thats waaaay too high
947 2011-04-09 16:02:54 <cosurgi> I could even stop using it for a while
948 2011-04-09 16:03:10 <cosurgi> but I don't know how to tell you miner to use only two GPUs instead of all three
949 2011-04-09 16:03:18 <Diablo-D3> use --devices.
950 2011-04-09 16:03:39 <cosurgi> --devices what?
951 2011-04-09 16:03:47 <cosurgi> bad one is 0
952 2011-04-09 16:03:52 <cosurgi> so --devices 1 2
953 2011-04-09 16:03:53 <cosurgi> ?
954 2011-04-09 16:04:54 <Diablo-D3> possibly
955 2011-04-09 16:05:11 <Diablo-D3> and you need a comma I think
956 2011-04-09 16:05:16 <cosurgi> I'll try
957 2011-04-09 16:05:42 <cosurgi> [4/9/11 6:02:47 PM] Started
958 2011-04-09 16:05:42 <cosurgi> [4/9/11 6:02:47 PM] Connecting to: http://178.79.147.99:8332/
959 2011-04-09 16:05:42 <cosurgi> [4/9/11 6:02:50 PM] Added Cypress (#1) (18 CU, local work size of 64)
960 2011-04-09 16:05:42 <cosurgi> [4/9/11 6:02:56 PM] Added Cypress (#2) (20 CU, local work size of 64)
961 2011-04-09 16:05:45 <cosurgi> seems to work.
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963 2011-04-09 16:05:48 <cosurgi> 0 was ignored.
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967 2011-04-09 16:09:05 <cosurgi> ouch, it has to be --devices 2,3
968 2011-04-09 16:09:11 <cosurgi> it counts from 1 apparently
969 2011-04-09 16:09:26 <cosurgi> [4/9/11 6:06:18 PM] Started
970 2011-04-09 16:09:26 <cosurgi> [4/9/11 6:06:18 PM] Connecting to: http://178.79.147.99:8332/
971 2011-04-09 16:09:26 <cosurgi> [4/9/11 6:06:21 PM] Added Cypress (#2) (20 CU, local work size of 64)
972 2011-04-09 16:09:26 <cosurgi> [4/9/11 6:06:25 PM] Added Cypress (#3) (20 CU, local work size of 64)
973 2011-04-09 16:09:27 <Diablo-D3> orly
974 2011-04-09 16:09:39 <Diablo-D3> erm
975 2011-04-09 16:09:42 <Diablo-D3> if it counted from 1
976 2011-04-09 16:09:47 <Diablo-D3> that wouldnt have worked to begin with
977 2011-04-09 16:10:07 <cosurgi> yeah, it is counting from 1. See what I pasted
978 2011-04-09 16:10:22 <cosurgi> the "18 CU" is the one that is going apeshit.
979 2011-04-09 16:10:43 <Diablo-D3> no I mean
980 2011-04-09 16:10:48 <Diablo-D3> oh whatever.
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991 2011-04-09 16:56:20 <cosurgi> is this one good? http://img13.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/15/45/12/00/1545120027_2
992 2011-04-09 16:56:41 <cosurgi> http://img13.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/15/45/12/00/1545120027_4
993 2011-04-09 16:57:02 <cosurgi> guy is sellingit with "water block" whatever it means. Is water cooling useful for us?
994 2011-04-09 16:57:27 <cosurgi> http://allegro.pl/his-hd5970-blokwodny-xspc-gratisy-5970-jedyna-i1545120027.html
995 2011-04-09 16:57:47 <cosurgi> isn't cheap, but he writes, he can sell it also without water cooling for 1550 PLN which isn't expensive
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997 2011-04-09 17:02:03 <taco_the_paco> how would i tell if the linux version of bitcoin is working or not? i have 0 connections / 0 blocks
998 2011-04-09 17:03:31 <ducki2p> taco_the_paco: check your logs in ~/.bitcoin/
999 2011-04-09 17:03:42 <ducki2p> maybe they give a hint of what is going on
1000 2011-04-09 17:05:03 <taco_the_paco> mm which file would i look at
1001 2011-04-09 17:05:13 <ducki2p> debug.log most likely
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1003 2011-04-09 17:05:24 <taco_the_paco> ah
1004 2011-04-09 17:06:19 <taco_the_paco> http://pastebin.com/rd5iNYBE
1005 2011-04-09 17:08:14 <taco_the_paco> there it goes nvm :)
1006 2011-04-09 17:08:30 <taco_the_paco> was just taking AWHILE, 1 connection / 500 blocks
1007 2011-04-09 17:09:54 <ducki2p> good
1008 2011-04-09 17:11:17 <taco_the_paco> if i were to move the bitcoin file to a dif. location, would it save all my coins still? ^.^
1009 2011-04-09 17:18:09 <tcatm> your bitcoins are stored in a file called wallet.dat
1010 2011-04-09 17:18:25 <witten> as are your settings :)
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1013 2011-04-09 17:22:19 <hozer> Are Mtgox & Btcex the two biggest exchanges?
1014 2011-04-09 17:23:31 <ducki2p> hozer: http://www.bitcoincharts.com/markets/
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1016 2011-04-09 17:24:07 <witten> by volume, Mtgox USD dwarfs the other public exchanges
1017 2011-04-09 17:24:15 <hozer> I was looking at that ;) .. likes like Mtgox & btcex have decent volume
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1019 2011-04-09 17:24:55 <hozer> and I was also wanting to find an exchange with servers in the same legal jurisdiction as the owners ;)
1020 2011-04-09 17:25:03 <hozer> which at this point seems to only be britcoin
1021 2011-04-09 17:25:28 <witten> I think a distributed P2P exchange would be neat
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1023 2011-04-09 17:26:12 <ducki2p> how about flying ponies?
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1025 2011-04-09 17:26:49 <witten> distributed P2P flying ponies would be great
1026 2011-04-09 17:26:57 <ducki2p> :)
1027 2011-04-09 17:27:14 <hozer> hah, that would be nice, but with high-frequency trading on dedicated lambas and servers the P2P exchange is going to cost you more money
1028 2011-04-09 17:27:23 <ducki2p> http://www.flyingponyalpacas.com/
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1030 2011-04-09 17:31:13 <hozer> ducki2p: are these the guys offering alpaca socks for bitcoin?
1031 2011-04-09 17:32:05 <ducki2p> no, that would be grasshillalpacas.com; but flying pony alpacas would be even better
1032 2011-04-09 17:32:23 <hozer> what is it with alpaca people & bitcoin?
1033 2011-04-09 17:32:47 <witten> that should be the mascot
1034 2011-04-09 17:34:53 <hozer> I was just going to try and register bitcorn.com .. and someone in japan already has it
1035 2011-04-09 17:35:19 <ducki2p> hozer: its often used as an example merchant, believe they got sold out quickly during one of the slashdots
1036 2011-04-09 17:35:31 <hozer> well dammit
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1039 2011-04-09 17:42:18 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr rfc1123Time_localefix * r6f53af690961 bitcoind-personal/rpc.cpp: Bugfix: force POSIX locale and hard-code "+0000" timezone for rfc1123Time, which it needs http://tinyurl.com/4yrfo2p
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1043 2011-04-09 17:53:22 <hozer> hrrm.. why does bitcoin.org have an invalid SSL cert?
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1048 2011-04-09 17:55:00 <sacarlson> hozer: it looks to be self signed
1049 2011-04-09 17:55:03 <edcba> it's not "invalid"
1050 2011-04-09 17:55:17 <edcba> it just doesn't match the website
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1052 2011-04-09 17:55:32 <edcba> and self signed
1053 2011-04-09 17:55:37 <jgarzik> we need satoshi to confirm, with any SSL cert
1054 2011-04-09 17:55:42 <jgarzik> might be tough
1055 2011-04-09 17:55:56 <edcba> just ask him on forum the signature
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1057 2011-04-09 17:57:51 <luke-jr> jgarzik: even Level 1?
1058 2011-04-09 17:58:54 <jgarzik> luke-jr: minimal requirement is email confirmation, sent to whois address. Trivial for 99% of population, but our situation is different.
1059 2011-04-09 17:59:01 <jgarzik> BTW,
1060 2011-04-09 17:59:18 <jgarzik> if anybody wants dedicated server hosting for bitcoins,
1061 2011-04-09 17:59:18 <jgarzik> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5618.msg82759#msg82759
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1064 2011-04-09 18:01:50 <agorist> I cannot seem to have more than 1 connection on my bitcoin client
1065 2011-04-09 18:02:03 <jgarzik> agorist: behind NAT? logged into IRC?
1066 2011-04-09 18:02:20 <taco_the_paco> same agorist
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1068 2011-04-09 18:02:51 <jgarzik> agorist: regardless, an easy way to overcome that is to -addnode one or more fallback nodes listed at https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Fallback_Nodes
1069 2011-04-09 18:03:08 <Kiba> hello
1070 2011-04-09 18:03:36 <agorist> thanks
1071 2011-04-09 18:04:27 <agorist> ive withdrawn from mtgox to my wallet and my client isnt seeing the amount
1072 2011-04-09 18:05:25 <jgarzik> agorist: what is your current block count?
1073 2011-04-09 18:05:41 <agorist> 117518
1074 2011-04-09 18:08:35 <jgarzik> 117523 here
1075 2011-04-09 18:08:46 <jgarzik> agorist: maybe you just need a couple more -addnode
1076 2011-04-09 18:09:38 <luke-jr> agorist: -addnode=173.242.112.53 has a fast connection
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1078 2011-04-09 18:11:27 <Kiba> hmm...I'll need 940 BTC more to reach my goal
1079 2011-04-09 18:11:52 <taco_the_paco> jeez o_o
1080 2011-04-09 18:12:11 <Kiba> taco_the_paco: hmm?
1081 2011-04-09 18:12:17 <taco_the_paco> whats your goal?
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1083 2011-04-09 18:12:42 <Kiba> taco_the_paco: my goal is to fund my next game project
1084 2011-04-09 18:12:45 bitcoiner has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.16/20110319135224])
1085 2011-04-09 18:12:48 <Kiba> I am asking for 1200 BTC
1086 2011-04-09 18:13:05 <taco_the_paco> ooooooooo, fps?
1087 2011-04-09 18:13:16 <Kiba> and I got 9 people to pledge 260 BTC
1088 2011-04-09 18:13:26 <Kiba> taco_the_paco: no, an abstract RTS game
1089 2011-04-09 18:13:31 <jgarzik> 1200 BTC is a lot for an unknown game and unknown talent, TBH
1090 2011-04-09 18:13:32 <xelister> Kiba: who is programming it?
1091 2011-04-09 18:13:37 <Kiba> Me
1092 2011-04-09 18:13:43 <Kiba> I program it
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1094 2011-04-09 18:13:54 <taco_the_paco> ah rts :<
1095 2011-04-09 18:14:03 <Kiba> jgarzik: and that's why I had a previous game project to be the showcase of my talent
1096 2011-04-09 18:14:26 <Kiba> I am not even taking it when I work on my project
1097 2011-04-09 18:15:04 <Kiba> rather, I'll show an updated version every week and the pledgers will donate whatever amount they think warranted for work completed that week
1098 2011-04-09 18:15:05 <aaa3> oh well, seems like im not getting my bitcoins to my client after withdrawing from mtgox, great
1099 2011-04-09 18:15:26 <xelister> Kiba: what technology is it? app or online? java? js? flash? c++ app?
1100 2011-04-09 18:15:32 * Kiba needed to add that information to his thread
1101 2011-04-09 18:15:32 <aaa3> i got 4 connections, client shows 117518 blocks
1102 2011-04-09 18:15:33 <xelister> * app or browser
1103 2011-04-09 18:15:42 <xelister> ;; bc,stat
1104 2011-04-09 18:15:43 <gribble> Error: "bc,stat" is not a valid command.
1105 2011-04-09 18:15:43 <Kiba> xelister: Javascript, canvas, node.js
1106 2011-04-09 18:15:45 <xelister> ;; bc,stats
1107 2011-04-09 18:15:46 <jgarzik> aaa3: current is 117523
1108 2011-04-09 18:15:48 <gribble> Current Blocks: 117523 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 1420 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 8 hours, 2 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 87204.35645976
1109 2011-04-09 18:15:49 <Kiba> web app
1110 2011-04-09 18:15:58 <xelister> aaa3: ^-- number of blocks is ok
1111 2011-04-09 18:16:03 <Kiba> and I will be using processing.js
1112 2011-04-09 18:16:08 <xelister> well last 4 are missing
1113 2011-04-09 18:16:09 <aaa3> so what do i do
1114 2011-04-09 18:16:38 <xelister> aaa3: how many do you have exactly now? it should increase to 117523 and then +1 each 10 minutes or so
1115 2011-04-09 18:16:42 <xelister> or each 6 minutes
1116 2011-04-09 18:17:26 <hozer> why am I getting 'recipient is not accepting transactions sent by IP address'
1117 2011-04-09 18:17:49 <Kiba> jgarzik: anyway, I am trying to build credibility
1118 2011-04-09 18:18:06 <jgarzik> hozer: IP address transactions are disabled by most; don't use them.
1119 2011-04-09 18:18:21 <Kiba> hozer: hey!
1120 2011-04-09 18:18:33 <aaa3> xelister, still got 117518
1121 2011-04-09 18:18:33 <Kiba> hozer: remember that you'll pledge some bitcoin once I show jstet?
1122 2011-04-09 18:18:40 <hozer> that is what I figured, but that would be nice to include in the docs or interace
1123 2011-04-09 18:18:54 <jgarzik> aaa3: you can try restarting bitcoin. that will give it fresh connections, and should download the recent block.s
1124 2011-04-09 18:18:54 * luke-jr wonders why IP txn haven't been removed yet
1125 2011-04-09 18:19:06 <xelister> luke-jr: actually why should they
1126 2011-04-09 18:19:24 <hozer> kiba: yes ;) .. it does not seem to work on my browser and I don't know why
1127 2011-04-09 18:19:27 <luke-jr> xelister: same reason as CPU mining?
1128 2011-04-09 18:19:31 <Kiba> hozer: firefox or chrome?
1129 2011-04-09 18:19:34 <LtBrenton__> ;;bc,stats
1130 2011-04-09 18:19:36 <gribble> Current Blocks: 117523 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 1420 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 8 hours, 2 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 87204.35645976
1131 2011-04-09 18:19:43 <hozer> firefox, debian
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1135 2011-04-09 18:19:53 <Kiba> firefox 4 disabled websocket
1136 2011-04-09 18:19:55 <LtBrenton> ;;bc,gen 300000
1137 2011-04-09 18:19:56 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 300000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 3.66434353675 BTC per day and 0.152680980698 BTC per hour.
1138 2011-04-09 18:19:57 <Kiba> you need chrome to try it out
1139 2011-04-09 18:20:04 <LtBrenton> ;;bc,calc 300000
1140 2011-04-09 18:20:04 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 300000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 1 week, 6 days, 15 hours, 28 minutes, and 48 seconds
1141 2011-04-09 18:20:12 <LtBrenton> ;;bc,calc 600000
1142 2011-04-09 18:20:13 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 600000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 6 days, 19 hours, 44 minutes, and 24 seconds
1143 2011-04-09 18:20:13 <hozer> bah, how about opera?
1144 2011-04-09 18:20:15 <luke-jr> Kiba: Qt is more portable than Websocket
1145 2011-04-09 18:20:26 <LtBrenton> ;;bc,calcd 300000 87204
1146 2011-04-09 18:20:26 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 300000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 87204, is 2 weeks, 0 days, 10 hours, 47 minutes, and 41 seconds
1147 2011-04-09 18:20:36 <aaa3> garzik, restaring Bitcoin doesnt help
1148 2011-04-09 18:20:46 <LtBrenton> ;;bc,calcd 300000 87204.35645976
1149 2011-04-09 18:20:47 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 300000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 87204.35645976, is 2 weeks, 0 days, 10 hours, 47 minutes, and 46 seconds
1150 2011-04-09 18:20:52 <Kiba> luke-jr: so? People already figured out how to get around missing websocket tech
1151 2011-04-09 18:21:05 <luke-jr> Kiba: by telling people to use another browser?
1152 2011-04-09 18:21:06 <hozer> what the hell is websocket
1153 2011-04-09 18:21:11 <luke-jr> hozer: TCP over HTTP
1154 2011-04-09 18:21:14 <Kiba> luke-jr: no, by implementing a solution
1155 2011-04-09 18:21:14 <LtBrenton> ;;bc,gen 35000
1156 2011-04-09 18:21:15 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 35000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 0.427506745955 BTC per day and 0.0178127810814 BTC per hour.
1157 2011-04-09 18:21:18 <xelister> aaa3: you are not out of disk space? just wait more say an hour, or restart and try in inext hour
1158 2011-04-09 18:21:24 <Kiba> that can work on multiple browser
1159 2011-04-09 18:21:26 <hozer> luke-jr: WTF, WHY???
1160 2011-04-09 18:21:50 <hozer> why in eris's name are we running TCP over HTTP?
1161 2011-04-09 18:21:54 <luke-jr> hozer: apparently people don't want ECMAScript to make TCP connections
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1163 2011-04-09 18:22:11 <mtrlt> how about http over websocket
1164 2011-04-09 18:22:51 <Kiba> I believe HTTP just tell they want a TCP connection and soon it will run in TCP
1165 2011-04-09 18:23:10 <luke-jr> â¦
1166 2011-04-09 18:23:18 <Kiba> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebSocket
1167 2011-04-09 18:23:40 <Kiba> better learn about websocket from wikipedia than luke-jr's biased opinion
1168 2011-04-09 18:23:50 <Diablo-D3> Kiba: heh
1169 2011-04-09 18:23:50 <hozer> kiba: can you make jsTet run on a source-available browser? (konqueror/firefox/webkit)
1170 2011-04-09 18:23:53 <Diablo-D3> and need I remind people
1171 2011-04-09 18:23:59 <Diablo-D3> using websockets for this was my idea
1172 2011-04-09 18:24:00 <Diablo-D3> since
1173 2011-04-09 18:24:01 <Diablo-D3> obviously
1174 2011-04-09 18:24:05 <Diablo-D3> I am the smartest man alive
1175 2011-04-09 18:24:09 * Diablo-D3 flexes
1176 2011-04-09 18:24:15 <xelister> luke-jr is a kind of person that has a bias&opinion on everything
1177 2011-04-09 18:24:20 <Kiba> hozer: what's a source available browser?
1178 2011-04-09 18:24:25 * Kiba is a practical man
1179 2011-04-09 18:24:36 <hozer> something I can download source code for and compile the whole thing
1180 2011-04-09 18:24:38 * Kiba learns about the issue when he was fielding it in the real world
1181 2011-04-09 18:24:46 <Kiba> hozer: compile what?
1182 2011-04-09 18:24:50 <Kiba> the source code is available
1183 2011-04-09 18:24:52 <xelister> Diablo-D3: can you include raw AMD shader assemlber program in your miner that is as fast as the ArtForz's including the last +2% speedup, mister smartest man alive ;)
1184 2011-04-09 18:24:55 <hozer> or, more conveniently comes precompiled as a debian package
1185 2011-04-09 18:24:58 <Kiba> just use your javascript console
1186 2011-04-09 18:25:08 <luke-jr> Kiba: the source for Chrome is not
1187 2011-04-09 18:25:11 <Diablo-D3> xelister: I dont think you said what you thought you said
1188 2011-04-09 18:25:19 <Kiba> hozer: you mean Chromium?
1189 2011-04-09 18:25:23 <Kiba> I used Chromium
1190 2011-04-09 18:25:46 <Diablo-D3> xelister: AMD has not exposed a Java API wrapper for CAL, and Im not particularly interested in maintaining one myself
1191 2011-04-09 18:25:54 <xelister> Diablo-D3: well the "something" that ArtForz uses to make his miner as fast as possible on 5970.. it is still +2% faster then anyone's?
1192 2011-04-09 18:25:57 <hozer> what do I type into Bash on a debian system to get jsTet to run?
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1194 2011-04-09 18:26:07 <xelister> ah. well... unlucky choice of tech then ;)
1195 2011-04-09 18:26:09 <Kiba> hozer: you want to initialize a server?
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1197 2011-04-09 18:26:35 <hozer> Kiba: I just want to play the damn game ;)
1198 2011-04-09 18:26:47 <Kiba> do you have chrome or chromium?
1199 2011-04-09 18:26:51 <Diablo-D3> xelister: CAL.
1200 2011-04-09 18:26:52 <Kiba> jstet.kibabase.com/jstet.html
1201 2011-04-09 18:27:15 <Diablo-D3> xelister: and its 2%, its really not worth chasing that.
1202 2011-04-09 18:27:27 <witten> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/146
1203 2011-04-09 18:28:19 <hozer> .. hrrm, I did not realize chromium met DFSG
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1205 2011-04-09 18:28:48 * hozer apt-gets
1206 2011-04-09 18:30:14 <Kiba> it's still buggy
1207 2011-04-09 18:30:18 <Kiba> but I am still working on that game
1208 2011-04-09 18:30:24 <mtrlt> i wanna sell a game i made for bitcoins, and it seems like it has to be done like this: when user selects "pay with bitcoin", the server gives the user a one-time bitcoin address and tells the user to send X BTC to that address. how do i generate the address?
1209 2011-04-09 18:30:37 <Kiba> so I will have a completed project under my belt when I finally start work on my RTS game
1210 2011-04-09 18:30:42 <mtrlt> do i have to run bitcoind on the server or something
1211 2011-04-09 18:30:48 <Kiba> yup
1212 2011-04-09 18:30:55 <Kiba> unless you use mybitcoin's merchant API
1213 2011-04-09 18:31:09 <Kiba> I think mtgox have one too
1214 2011-04-09 18:31:49 <mtrlt> i'll check 'em
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1216 2011-04-09 18:33:15 <Kiba> hozer: anyway, the inability of firefox and opera to use websocket is a big problem in my eyes. But there's a solution
1217 2011-04-09 18:33:23 <hozer> yeah
1218 2011-04-09 18:33:34 <Kiba> well, in the node.js world
1219 2011-04-09 18:34:16 <hozer> dammit
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1221 2011-04-09 18:34:24 <hozer> chromium does not like AFS home directories
1222 2011-04-09 18:35:42 <Kiba> AFS?
1223 2011-04-09 18:35:47 <hozer> OpenAFS.org
1224 2011-04-09 18:35:56 <jgarzik> hozer: AFS is still in use, somewhere other than MIT? Wow :)
1225 2011-04-09 18:36:03 <hozer> hah
1226 2011-04-09 18:36:15 <Kiba> jgarzik: have you considered pledging or not already?
1227 2011-04-09 18:36:21 <hozer> yes, MIT, Iowa State, and Goldman Sachs
1228 2011-04-09 18:37:24 <hozer> AFS & MIT Project Athena is where everyone got the idea for cloud computing
1229 2011-04-09 18:37:32 <jgarzik> hozer: hah, not really
1230 2011-04-09 18:37:42 <hozer> sit down at any workstation on campus, and you get your 'cloud' environment
1231 2011-04-09 18:38:05 <hozer> the problem is PC's came along and Transarc/IBM never released a decent MacOS & Windows AFS client
1232 2011-04-09 18:38:45 <hozer> Well, I'm going to have my own little filesystem-based cloud computing fantasy here ;)
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1235 2011-04-09 18:39:24 <hozer> so here's the thing.. I went through this phase where I thought 'AFS, why run this old crap'
1236 2011-04-09 18:39:51 <hozer> and the more I tried out distributed filesytems (or not having distributed filesystems), the more I realized that old working code was better than new academic or commercial idea of the day
1237 2011-04-09 18:40:34 * hozer has become one of *those* filesystem nutters
1238 2011-04-09 18:42:28 <jgarzik> hozer: did you try the latest Ceph?
1239 2011-04-09 18:42:33 <Kiba> anyway, no chromium for hozer?
1240 2011-04-09 18:42:58 <hozer> Unble to load pjs sketch files: game.pde ==> No content
1241 2011-04-09 18:43:05 <jgarzik> hozer: at my day job we all dislike OpenAFS because the code is so bad
1242 2011-04-09 18:43:18 <jgarzik> hozer: but Big Customers pay us to support and fix it, so...
1243 2011-04-09 18:43:39 <hozer> jgarzik: yeah.. is there any distributed filesystem with good code?
1244 2011-04-09 18:43:46 <jgarzik> hozer: Ceph :)
1245 2011-04-09 18:44:04 <jgarzik> hozer: ioremap.net stuff
1246 2011-04-09 18:44:11 <Kiba> so no chromium for hozer mean no pledge increase
1247 2011-04-09 18:44:34 <hozer> Kiba: what the heck is that error message?
1248 2011-04-09 18:45:14 <Kiba> what error message?
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1250 2011-04-09 18:45:24 <Kiba> oh
1251 2011-04-09 18:45:34 * Kiba is puzzled
1252 2011-04-09 18:45:42 <Kiba> game.pde is where all my code is
1253 2011-04-09 18:45:46 <Kiba> it should be loaded
1254 2011-04-09 18:45:52 * Kiba stratch his head
1255 2011-04-09 18:45:59 <hozer> yeah, it got to a screen with firefox
1256 2011-04-09 18:46:00 <Kiba> I have no problem with my chromium
1257 2011-04-09 18:46:06 <hozer> what os
1258 2011-04-09 18:46:15 <Kiba> archlinux
1259 2011-04-09 18:46:30 <Kiba> even on firefox, I have no problem
1260 2011-04-09 18:46:35 <Kiba> what version are you running?
1261 2011-04-09 18:46:46 <Kiba> well no problem with loading game.pde
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1263 2011-04-09 18:47:26 <hozer> 6.0.4.472.63~r59945-5 Chromium browser
1264 2011-04-09 18:47:51 <hozer> what firefox
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1267 2011-04-09 18:48:41 <hozer> kiba: welcome to the wonderful world of not-so-portable 'portable' code
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1270 2011-04-09 18:50:14 <Kiba> hozer: my chromium is 6.0.648.204
1271 2011-04-09 18:50:51 <hozer> got something like virtualbox installed?
1272 2011-04-09 18:51:06 <Kiba> no
1273 2011-04-09 18:51:59 * Kiba files a issue for hozer
1274 2011-04-09 18:52:22 <Kiba> well
1275 2011-04-09 18:52:31 <Kiba> I don't know how to solve your problem
1276 2011-04-09 18:54:10 <Kiba> hozer: what's your operating system? Do I have take into consideration your filesystem?
1277 2011-04-09 18:54:59 <hozer> that should not matter
1278 2011-04-09 18:55:11 <Kiba> quite honestly, I don't know how to fix this
1279 2011-04-09 18:55:13 <Kiba> it loads for me
1280 2011-04-09 18:55:29 <hozer> let me check ubuntu
1281 2011-04-09 18:55:36 <hozer> on my laptop, with no funky filesystems
1282 2011-04-09 18:55:54 <Kiba> how can I, a lowly javascript programmer fix funky filesystem bug?
1283 2011-04-09 18:57:46 <hozer> same problem on ubuntu.. let's debug this on pm..
1284 2011-04-09 18:57:58 <Kiba> did you...
1285 2011-04-09 18:58:04 <Kiba> ok..
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1290 2011-04-09 19:04:25 Omni is now known as AFK!~hopper@pdpc/supporter/professional/omnifarious|Omnifarious
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1292 2011-04-09 19:24:28 <hozer> Omnifarious: you around?
1293 2011-04-09 19:25:35 <Omnifarious> More or less. :-)
1294 2011-04-09 19:25:42 <Omnifarious> Being a pain in the Pyhton channel.
1295 2011-04-09 19:25:57 <Omnifarious> Because Python lacks an ordered data structure.
1296 2011-04-09 19:26:02 <hozer> hah
1297 2011-04-09 19:26:26 <witten> Omnifarious: you mean a list?
1298 2011-04-09 19:28:05 <bitcoiner> I just cleaned my pc and gpu and temp decrease by 15C
1299 2011-04-09 19:28:17 <xelister> bitcoiner: lol
1300 2011-04-09 19:28:31 <bitcoiner> and fan is going at 15% less
1301 2011-04-09 19:28:36 <bitcoiner> damn dust hey
1302 2011-04-09 19:29:13 <Omnifarious> witten: I mean one that's 'key ordered'.
1303 2011-04-09 19:29:31 <Omnifarious> i.e. kept in sorted order
1304 2011-04-09 19:29:44 <witten> Omnifarious: http://docs.python.org/library/heapq.html ?
1305 2011-04-09 19:29:50 <Kiba> well
1306 2011-04-09 19:30:07 <Kiba> I spent a lot of time on sales work and not enough on coding work...
1307 2011-04-09 19:30:29 <Omnifarious> witten: That keeps things in heap order.
1308 2011-04-09 19:30:45 <Omnifarious> And I need to search and find the immediately previous and immediately following element.
1309 2011-04-09 19:31:20 <witten> Omnifarious: list of tuples? :)
1310 2011-04-09 19:32:14 <witten> Omnifarious: http://docs.python.org/library/collections.html#collections.OrderedDict
1311 2011-04-09 19:32:36 <Kiba> anyway
1312 2011-04-09 19:32:40 <Kiba> time for me to scram for food!
1313 2011-04-09 19:32:44 <Kiba> bye bye!
1314 2011-04-09 19:32:51 <Omnifarious> witten: Well, that keeps things in the order in which they were inserted.
1315 2011-04-09 19:32:59 <Omnifarious> Which is great for caches and LRU lists.
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1317 2011-04-09 19:33:45 <jgarzik> Omnifarious: python can't do that out of the box? that's disappointing.
1318 2011-04-09 19:34:31 <hozer> well, I'm going to guess it *can* do it, but not efficiently like Omnifarious probably wants ;)
1319 2011-04-09 19:34:51 <jgarzik> sure it -can-... I can code up a btree ADT in python
1320 2011-04-09 19:35:16 <jgarzik> and I'm sure that's been done before by many others
1321 2011-04-09 19:35:32 * Omnifarious nods.
1322 2011-04-09 19:35:35 <Omnifarious> Exactly.
1323 2011-04-09 19:35:39 <jgarzik> it's disappointing that the standard python library does not have some btree-alike.
1324 2011-04-09 19:35:48 * Omnifarious nods.
1325 2011-04-09 19:36:22 <Omnifarious> It is disappointing. Though not too surprising. I suspect if they had one at the start evrybody would've stupidly used it instead of a hash table.
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1328 2011-04-09 19:37:18 <jrabbit> jgarzik: not in colelctions?
1329 2011-04-09 19:37:46 <jrabbit> if you find a good pythonic implementation it could go in collections
1330 2011-04-09 19:37:58 <jgarzik> jrabbit: not shown at http://docs.python.org/library/collections.html anyway
1331 2011-04-09 19:39:41 <jgarzik> http://docs.python.org/library/collections.html#collections.OrderedDict
1332 2011-04-09 19:40:06 <jgarzik> that shows a recipe where the program manually re-sorts, depending on OrderedDict's property of retaining its order
1333 2011-04-09 19:40:37 <jgarzik> much less efficient than a data structure like btree, which simply includes a specific ordering as one of its core properties
1334 2011-04-09 19:40:50 <jgarzik> Omnifarious: so, give 'em hell
1335 2011-04-09 19:41:09 <jgarzik> Omnifarious: tell them to fix the fscking GIL too
1336 2011-04-09 19:41:32 <Omnifarious> jgarzik: *laugh* I might.
1337 2011-04-09 19:41:39 <Omnifarious> The GIL is a really hard problem to solve.
1338 2011-04-09 19:41:45 <Omnifarious> Unfortunately. :-(
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1343 2011-04-09 19:46:40 <aaa3> im still stuck at 117518 blocks wtf
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1346 2011-04-09 19:50:28 <theymos> How many connections do you have?
1347 2011-04-09 19:50:48 <agorist> like 1-3
1348 2011-04-09 19:50:53 <agorist> i got 0 for some reason now
1349 2011-04-09 19:51:01 <agorist> but ive been stuck on 117518 blocks for hours
1350 2011-04-09 19:51:05 <agorist> 1 conn now
1351 2011-04-09 19:51:11 <bitcoiner> restart bitcoin sometimes it work
1352 2011-04-09 19:51:16 <agorist> i did
1353 2011-04-09 19:51:20 <agorist> restarted computer too
1354 2011-04-09 19:51:21 aaa3 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
1355 2011-04-09 19:51:29 <luke-jr> anyone want to translate Spesmilo into their language(s)?
1356 2011-04-09 19:51:39 <bitcoiner> what is spesmilo
1357 2011-04-09 19:51:47 <theymos> agorist: Are you using MS Security Essentials?
1358 2011-04-09 19:51:51 <agorist> nope
1359 2011-04-09 19:51:53 <luke-jr> bitcoiner: Bitcoin client
1360 2011-04-09 19:51:59 <agorist> the problem started like this morning
1361 2011-04-09 19:52:43 <theymos> agorist: Try starting Bitcoin with -addnode=99.27.237.13
1362 2011-04-09 19:52:47 <luke-jr> so far it supports English, American, Dutch, and Esperanto
1363 2011-04-09 19:54:14 <bitcoiner> I can translate in french
1364 2011-04-09 19:54:33 <[Tycho]> Oh, esperanto is still alive ?
1365 2011-04-09 19:54:37 <luke-jr> bitcoiner: PM me your email and I'll send strings?
1366 2011-04-09 19:54:48 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: Lojban hasn't even overtaken it yet!
1367 2011-04-09 19:55:55 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: want to translate to Lojban?
1368 2011-04-09 19:56:06 <[Tycho]> Why ?
1369 2011-04-09 19:56:18 <luke-jr> â¦
1370 2011-04-09 19:56:24 agorist has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
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1372 2011-04-09 19:57:39 <agorist> man wtf still at 117518 blocks
1373 2011-04-09 19:57:48 <agorist> how long should it take to get to the actual number
1374 2011-04-09 19:58:14 <mtrlt> not that long, that's for sure
1375 2011-04-09 19:58:15 <agorist> how many blocks are there solved ?
1376 2011-04-09 19:58:22 <mtrlt> 117533 now
1377 2011-04-09 19:58:22 <theymos> Did you try addnode connecting to someone?
1378 2011-04-09 19:58:35 <agorist> i tried the ip you listed..
1379 2011-04-09 19:58:43 <theymos> Probably a firewall.
1380 2011-04-09 19:59:07 <agorist> i have windows firewall, but always had it and problem started this morning
1381 2011-04-09 19:59:15 <agorist> i got bitcoin as exception in win firewall
1382 2011-04-09 19:59:54 <theymos> Post the last 1000 lines of debug.log somewhere.
1383 2011-04-09 20:01:11 <agorist> where is debug.log
1384 2011-04-09 20:01:26 f3n has joined
1385 2011-04-09 20:01:39 <theymos> In the data directory, by wallet.dat. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Data_directory
1386 2011-04-09 20:01:56 f3n has quit (Changing host)
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1388 2011-04-09 20:02:22 <agorist> /j #agorist to see!
1389 2011-04-09 20:05:00 agorist has quit (Excess Flood)
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1391 2011-04-09 20:05:29 <theymos> I guess you should post it to pastebin...
1392 2011-04-09 20:06:31 <agorist> bleh
1393 2011-04-09 20:07:28 <agorist> MainFrameRepaint
1394 2011-04-09 20:07:28 <agorist> trying connection lastseen=-1.1hrs lasttry=-361772.1hrs
1395 2011-04-09 20:07:28 <agorist> connected
1396 2011-04-09 20:07:28 <agorist> sending: version (85 bytes)
1397 2011-04-09 20:07:28 <agorist> MainFrameRepaint
1398 2011-04-09 20:07:29 <agorist> trying connection lastseen=-1.1hrs lasttry=-361772.1hrs
1399 2011-04-09 20:07:29 <agorist> socket no message in first 60 seconds, 0 1
1400 2011-04-09 20:07:30 <agorist> disconnecting node
1401 2011-04-09 20:07:30 <agorist> MainFrameRepaint
1402 2011-04-09 20:07:34 <agorist> over and over again
1403 2011-04-09 20:08:03 <theymos> It's definitely some firewall-type thing blocking oubound Bitcoin connections.
1404 2011-04-09 20:08:07 Necr0s has joined
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1406 2011-04-09 20:11:45 <aaa3> socket no message in first 60 seconds, 0 1
1407 2011-04-09 20:11:45 <aaa3> disconnecting node
1408 2011-04-09 20:11:49 <aaa3> keep on getting that
1409 2011-04-09 20:12:03 agorist has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
1410 2011-04-09 20:12:54 agorist has joined
1411 2011-04-09 20:13:07 <agorist> could be my internet..
1412 2011-04-09 20:13:14 <agorist> I keep on disconnecting from irc..
1413 2011-04-09 20:13:45 <taco_the_paco> * agorist has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
1414 2011-04-09 20:16:34 aaa3 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
1415 2011-04-09 20:16:59 agorist has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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1418 2011-04-09 20:22:20 <aaa3> asdf
1419 2011-04-09 20:26:18 <robblesz> One thing I don't understand about poold.py is: who gets credit for generated blocks? The default account on the backend bitcoind server?
1420 2011-04-09 20:27:08 <hozer> question: Does mtgox use a persistant address for adding BTC?
1421 2011-04-09 20:27:25 <tcatm> hozer: no
1422 2011-04-09 20:27:31 <tcatm> robblesz: yep
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1424 2011-04-09 20:27:51 <robblesz> tcatm: okay thanks. That's what I thought
1425 2011-04-09 20:28:17 <hozer> what happens if I send say 25BTC, and then use the same address to send another 25BTC
1426 2011-04-09 20:29:20 agorist has joined
1427 2011-04-09 20:29:25 <agorist> yay
1428 2011-04-09 20:29:35 <agorist> restarted modem and all is fine
1429 2011-04-09 20:29:48 Omnifarious is now known as Omni|AFK
1430 2011-04-09 20:30:08 <tcatm> hozer: no idea. If they don't show up, email mtgox.
1431 2011-04-09 20:30:57 <agorist> is it me or mtgox programming is horrible
1432 2011-04-09 20:31:33 Cusipzzz has joined
1433 2011-04-09 20:32:27 <bitcoiner> it will get rewritten i heard
1434 2011-04-09 20:33:50 Spenvo has joined
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1436 2011-04-09 20:34:13 <agorist> it should
1437 2011-04-09 20:34:20 <agorist> its really bad
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1439 2011-04-09 20:36:49 <robblesz> Hm, there are no clients that currently support pushpool, right?
1440 2011-04-09 20:40:03 aaa3 has joined
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1443 2011-04-09 20:41:22 <jgarzik> Omni|AFK: Here is my critique of Python: http://garzikrants.blogspot.com/2011/04/python-critique-from-new-fan.html
1444 2011-04-09 20:41:37 <jgarzik> robblesz: ?
1445 2011-04-09 20:42:01 <jgarzik> robblesz: if you are referring to my server, it supports HTTP-JSON as well as BDP (binary data protocol). No public clients support BDP, though a couple private clients already support it.
1446 2011-04-09 20:42:31 <jgarzik> robblesz: I will be modding cpuminer to support BDP real soon now. it's on the todo list, along with modding poclbm.
1447 2011-04-09 20:44:38 <robblesz> jgarzik: that's great. I don't have any BTC yet but if I do get some before you mod poclbm I'll add a bounty
1448 2011-04-09 20:44:54 aaa3 has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
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1450 2011-04-09 20:45:10 <robblesz> jgarzik: so I can use regular HTTP-JSON clients right now with pushpool?
1451 2011-04-09 20:45:23 <jgarzik> robblesz: even indicating interest for BDP on the poblcm forum thread would be helpful in getting support into poblcm
1452 2011-04-09 20:45:27 <jgarzik> poclbm
1453 2011-04-09 20:45:37 sabalaba has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1454 2011-04-09 20:45:37 <jgarzik> robblesz: yes, pushpool works with regular HTTP-JSON clients right now
1455 2011-04-09 20:45:38 agorist has joined
1456 2011-04-09 20:46:06 <robblesz> excellent, thanks! I'll add my +1 in the thread
1457 2011-04-09 20:46:32 <jgarzik> robblesz: I cannot resist a plug... if you don't wanna maintain the bitcoind and pool server, I do offer a private pool service: https://xf2.org/services/
1458 2011-04-09 20:46:47 <robblesz> I am considering xf2, yeah
1459 2011-04-09 20:47:10 <robblesz> It kind of depends if my server can handle the load of a private pool
1460 2011-04-09 20:47:17 <robblesz> I really have no idea if it will
1461 2011-04-09 20:49:10 <jgarzik> robblesz: as long as you have sufficient RAM (> 1.5 G, IMO), it should handle it
1462 2011-04-09 20:50:01 <jgarzik> robblesz: a 512MB VPS will handle bitcoind + pushpool on a normal day, but sometimes that balloons. and if you are using mysql or postgresql rather than sqlite, that's more memory too.
1463 2011-04-09 20:50:04 <robblesz> I do have that much free
1464 2011-04-09 20:50:37 <robblesz> what kind of access do you offer at xf2? root ssh?
1465 2011-04-09 20:51:00 aaa3 has joined
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1467 2011-04-09 20:51:26 <jgarzik> robblesz: private pool server is entirely managed through web interface. you get payouts to xf2.org balance, etc. no root or ssh access.
1468 2011-04-09 20:51:59 <robblesz> Gofcha
1469 2011-04-09 20:53:27 agorist has joined
1470 2011-04-09 20:54:16 <RBecker> anyone have a bitcoin market account and could invite me?
1471 2011-04-09 20:55:14 <robblesz> jgarzik: mind if I PM you?
1472 2011-04-09 20:55:15 aaa3 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1473 2011-04-09 20:55:24 <jgarzik> RBecker: you don't seem to be rated on #bitcoin-otc or have much forum activity
1474 2011-04-09 20:55:29 <idnar> jgarzik: I think your blog post has a typo, "long, user-friendly traceback" should presumably say "unfriendly"
1475 2011-04-09 20:55:44 <RBecker> jgarzik, never been in that channel nor do I have a forum account
1476 2011-04-09 20:55:47 <jgarzik> robblesz: sure. email addy is info@exmulti.com if you prefer email.
1477 2011-04-09 20:55:58 <jgarzik> idnar: tnx
1478 2011-04-09 20:57:09 <idnar> jgarzik: does a heap not suit your requirements for an always-sorted datastructure?
1479 2011-04-09 20:57:49 <RBecker> ;;bc,poolstats
1480 2011-04-09 20:57:50 <gribble> {"ghashes_ps": "164.779", "shares": 72018, "active_workers": 1748, "round_duration": "0:31:25", "score": "6191916.0000", "round_started": "2011-04-09 20:23:46", "shares_cdf": "58.30", "getwork_ps": 479}
1481 2011-04-09 20:58:47 <jgarzik> idnar: URL?
1482 2011-04-09 20:59:27 <idnar> jgarzik: http://docs.python.org/library/heapq.html
1483 2011-04-09 20:59:48 <idnar> jgarzik: it only has destructive traversal (via heappop) though, so it might not be what you had in mind
1484 2011-04-09 21:00:00 <idnar> (well, there's nlargest/nsmallest as well, I guess)
1485 2011-04-09 21:01:21 <jgarzik> idnar: destructive traversal is decidedly less useful than a standard btree or rbtree or...
1486 2011-04-09 21:02:38 <idnar> jgarzik: sure, if you need a btree, then a heap is probably not what you want
1487 2011-04-09 21:03:09 <jgarzik> idnar: specific need is an always sorted, highly mutable key/value data structure
1488 2011-04-09 21:03:15 <jgarzik> +iterable
1489 2011-04-09 21:03:19 <jgarzik> +range search
1490 2011-04-09 21:03:33 <idnar> I did actually run across a nice btree library for python a while back, but I can't remember what it was called
1491 2011-04-09 21:04:53 <jgarzik> idnar: oh they are easy to find
1492 2011-04-09 21:04:58 <jgarzik> idnar: just not in the standard library
1493 2011-04-09 21:05:37 <idnar> jgarzik: I actually try to avoid the python standard library as much as possible, 90% of it is complete garbage :(
1494 2011-04-09 21:05:49 <jgarzik> heh
1495 2011-04-09 21:06:08 <jgarzik> idnar: well that's what most people seem to be using, and that is the default choice for many tasks
1496 2011-04-09 21:06:17 <idnar> on the other hand, when you have things like lists and dicts built in, it would be nice to have some more basic datastructures
1497 2011-04-09 21:06:28 <jgarzik> yep
1498 2011-04-09 21:06:32 <idnar> I think the way the Haskell Platform is managed is a lot better than the Python stdlib
1499 2011-04-09 21:06:56 <jgarzik> idnar: python stdlib is better managed than Perl's collection
1500 2011-04-09 21:07:04 <idnar> stuff that goes into the python stdlib is usually a forked version of an external library that arbitrarily breaks compatibility (even if it's just because of the module name changing)
1501 2011-04-09 21:07:28 <idnar> the Haskell Platform is just a collection of specific versions of stuff that's already out there
1502 2011-04-09 21:07:29 <robblesz> I'm on Debian Lenny which has really old python. f.e., json doesn't have reads or dumps methods. Pain in the ass
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1504 2011-04-09 21:09:15 <idnar> jgarzik: anyhow, the closing of your blog post sounds a lot like my own position on Python; it offers me the best compromise of productivity, despite the problems with it
1505 2011-04-09 21:09:35 <jgarzik> idnar: yes
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1507 2011-04-09 21:11:35 <idnar> oh, found it!
1508 2011-04-09 21:11:46 <idnar> http://stutzbachenterprises.com/blist/
1509 2011-04-09 21:11:55 <agorist> what the fuck
1510 2011-04-09 21:12:04 <agorist> my mtgox acocunt just got wiped out
1511 2011-04-09 21:12:10 <agorist> 0BTC 0 USD
1512 2011-04-09 21:12:23 <agorist> what kind of bullshit is that
1513 2011-04-09 21:13:00 <idnar> (except it doesn't have a btree implementation, it has a sortedlist implementation; guess that's what I was thinking about)
1514 2011-04-09 21:13:59 <idnar> (but it's all built on B+ trees)
1515 2011-04-09 21:14:04 <idnar> agorist: :/
1516 2011-04-09 21:14:34 <agorist> what the fuck
1517 2011-04-09 21:14:52 <agorist> mtgox is a fucking thief and af raud
1518 2011-04-09 21:15:28 <robblesz> Did you try to contact him?
1519 2011-04-09 21:18:52 Spenvo has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1520 2011-04-09 21:19:12 <agorist> will do
1521 2011-04-09 21:19:38 <agorist> i shouldnt be contacting a fucking exchange market to redeem my stolen money by that exchange market
1522 2011-04-09 21:19:42 <witten> agorist: hit reload?
1523 2011-04-09 21:19:43 <agorist> what kind of business is mtgox running
1524 2011-04-09 21:19:46 <agorist> i did
1525 2011-04-09 21:20:04 <robblesz> Maybe someone hacked into your account. Don't jump to conclusions
1526 2011-04-09 21:20:14 <agorist> nobody hacked in my account
1527 2011-04-09 21:20:25 <agorist> you cant guess my password nor my username, its too complex
1528 2011-04-09 21:20:40 <agorist> plus there are no logs of any transactions
1529 2011-04-09 21:20:45 <agorist> the btcs are just gone
1530 2011-04-09 21:20:58 <robblesz> How many?
1531 2011-04-09 21:21:14 <agorist> not many but still
1532 2011-04-09 21:22:16 <agorist> this is true bullshit
1533 2011-04-09 21:22:34 <robblesz> You could open a forum thread about the problem
1534 2011-04-09 21:23:07 <bitcoiner> mt gox owe me 3 btc
1535 2011-04-09 21:23:23 <agorist> how the fuck that can even be?
1536 2011-04-09 21:24:17 Spenvo has joined
1537 2011-04-09 21:25:15 <ArtForz> *shrug* not missing anything here
1538 2011-04-09 21:25:23 Spenvo_ has joined
1539 2011-04-09 21:25:53 <agorist> right
1540 2011-04-09 21:26:09 <bitcoiner> I deposit 4 btc only got 1 credited
1541 2011-04-09 21:27:45 <ArtForz> lemme guess, 2 sends to the same address?
1542 2011-04-09 21:28:01 <bitcoiner> yeah!
1543 2011-04-09 21:28:08 <ArtForz> err... don't do that, he has to sort those out manually
1544 2011-04-09 21:28:22 <bitcoiner> I know I didnt intend to cause problem
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1546 2011-04-09 21:28:49 Spenvo_ is now known as Spenvo
1547 2011-04-09 21:28:59 <agorist> who the fuck coded mtgox
1548 2011-04-09 21:29:20 <bitcoiner> art I got 15C less with fan 15% less by cleaning dust
1549 2011-04-09 21:29:27 <ArtForz> dunno, someone with a love for php and floats
1550 2011-04-09 21:30:01 <ArtForz> seeing a balance of "-0.00 BTC" ... not exactly inspiring confidence
1551 2011-04-09 21:31:11 <robblesz> http://mtgox.com/blog -> "Error establishing a database connection"
1552 2011-04-09 21:31:15 <robblesz> Site needs work
1553 2011-04-09 21:31:35 <ArtForz> the market analysis blog got moved like a month ago
1554 2011-04-09 21:31:54 <bitcoiner> MT said he was gona rewrite mtgox
1555 2011-04-09 21:32:09 <ArtForz> sounds like a good idea
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1560 2011-04-09 21:45:57 <cosurgi> anybody seen this message before? "[atiddx] Can not allocate deferred message entry![atiddx] Can not allocate deferred message entry![atiddx] "
1561 2011-04-09 21:46:10 <cosurgi> it's flooding my Xorg.
1562 2011-04-09 21:46:13 sshc has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1563 2011-04-09 21:46:26 <cosurgi> it's flooding my /var/log/Xorg.0.log, last nigh it grew to 1GB
1564 2011-04-09 21:46:41 <cosurgi> I restarted first X, then whole box. But now those messages are back
1565 2011-04-09 21:46:47 <Diablo-D3> sounds like broken driver
1566 2011-04-09 21:47:04 <cosurgi> hm. more like my GPU is really apeshit
1567 2011-04-09 21:47:24 <cosurgi> this is happening on the same box where that GPU started overheating.
1568 2011-04-09 21:47:25 <xelister> cosurgi: ati's drivers are apeshit
1569 2011-04-09 21:47:37 <Diablo-D3> I wonder if your box is just insane
1570 2011-04-09 21:47:43 <cosurgi> and it was working for two months straight. Just broke 15 hours ago.
1571 2011-04-09 21:47:45 <xelister> althought I nevder seen this error msg... may be your gpu is demaged
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1575 2011-04-09 21:51:04 <cosurgi> also I see this error:
1576 2011-04-09 21:51:05 <cosurgi> WW) fglrx(0): ADL handler failure: Could not find adapter at Bus ID 0:0:0
1577 2011-04-09 21:51:13 <cosurgi> (WW) , warning actually
1578 2011-04-09 21:51:18 <xelister> cosurgi: this warning is typical
1579 2011-04-09 21:51:22 <xelister> I get it all the time
1580 2011-04-09 21:51:29 <cosurgi> ok..
1581 2011-04-09 21:52:18 fimp has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
1582 2011-04-09 21:52:49 Spenvo has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1583 2011-04-09 21:54:00 * xelister is being abducted
1584 2011-04-09 21:54:36 <agorist> omg mtgox is officially the biggest piece of crap
1585 2011-04-09 21:54:45 <cosurgi> why?
1586 2011-04-09 21:55:00 <cosurgi> ok, I think I gotta RMA that GPU
1587 2011-04-09 21:55:07 <agorist> cause it stole all my btcs
1588 2011-04-09 21:55:19 <cosurgi> well, maybe before I do that I'll look at the fan, closely.
1589 2011-04-09 21:55:26 <agorist> and when it doesn steal, the totals aren't even in synch with the transactions
1590 2011-04-09 21:55:28 <agorist> its all fucked up
1591 2011-04-09 21:55:58 <agorist> how can i have -0.1 usd
1592 2011-04-09 21:56:00 <agorist> what the fuck
1593 2011-04-09 21:57:02 lfm has joined
1594 2011-04-09 21:57:15 <agorist> this is so lame
1595 2011-04-09 21:57:22 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * rc57734693f26 spesmilo/ (i18n/en_GB.ts i18n/eo_EO.ts i18n/nl_NL.ts main.py send.py): add strings missing from i18n http://tinyurl.com/3nrlrwt
1596 2011-04-09 21:57:23 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * rf0e35b9006be spesmilo/settings.py: Support standard locale environment variables (LC_ALL, LC_MESSAGES, LANG) http://tinyurl.com/3ujfomh
1597 2011-04-09 21:57:24 <agorist> how can mtgox be considered the main exchange market?
1598 2011-04-09 21:58:17 <luke-jr> agorist: who said it was?
1599 2011-04-09 21:58:44 <agorist> you and me and everyone
1600 2011-04-09 21:58:58 <agorist> mtgox has the highest volume of all btc markets
1601 2011-04-09 21:59:44 <luke-jr> shrug
1602 2011-04-09 21:59:58 <lfm> so its lame?
1603 2011-04-09 22:00:22 <agorist> mtgox cleared all my btcs
1604 2011-04-09 22:00:34 <agorist> so now i got 0btcs and -0.1usd
1605 2011-04-09 22:00:38 <agorist> w t f
1606 2011-04-09 22:00:42 <tcatm> agorist: you should ask them directly
1607 2011-04-09 22:00:51 <lfm> agorist did you use a wimpy password?
1608 2011-04-09 22:01:01 <agorist> no i didnt
1609 2011-04-09 22:02:39 <luke-jr> agorist: so it was random symbols, letters, and numbers, at least 10 of them?
1610 2011-04-09 22:02:58 <agorist> no
1611 2011-04-09 22:03:14 <lfm> wimpy
1612 2011-04-09 22:03:27 <agorist> but my username does
1613 2011-04-09 22:03:33 <luke-jr> â¦â¦.
1614 2011-04-09 22:04:00 <lfm> your user name is not a secret you dope
1615 2011-04-09 22:04:12 <agorist> it is to me
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1617 2011-04-09 22:04:35 <agorist> i do have a strong password, my account wasnt hacked, transaction history does not show that
1618 2011-04-09 22:04:41 <agorist> what does show is that i have 0btcs now
1619 2011-04-09 22:05:15 <tcatm> agorist: ask them!
1620 2011-04-09 22:05:31 <agorist> im gonna fucken shit on them
1621 2011-04-09 22:05:47 <tcatm> that won't help you
1622 2011-04-09 22:05:51 <agorist> lol
1623 2011-04-09 22:05:55 <agorist> probably not
1624 2011-04-09 22:06:12 <ArtForz> who the fuck considers a username secret?
1625 2011-04-09 22:06:18 <lfm> if you ask nice it might help you tho
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1627 2011-04-09 22:06:28 <agorist> ArtForz, meeee
1628 2011-04-09 22:06:31 gruez has quit (Quit: Page closed)
1629 2011-04-09 22:06:38 <lfm> idiots
1630 2011-04-09 22:06:53 <ArtForz> pretty much
1631 2011-04-09 22:07:07 <lfm> mtgox is not a swiss bank
1632 2011-04-09 22:07:14 <agorist> why would you give out your username to the public ArtForz?
1633 2011-04-09 22:07:31 <ArtForz> errr... so someone can send me mtgoxusd?
1634 2011-04-09 22:07:45 <ArtForz> btw, if you havent guessed yet, it's artforz
1635 2011-04-09 22:07:50 rusty has joined
1636 2011-04-09 22:08:05 <lfm> agorist: maybe so the "public" could send you email for instance
1637 2011-04-09 22:08:10 rusty is now known as Guest75122
1638 2011-04-09 22:08:12 <idnar> ArtForz: omg now I can hack into your account!!!111
1639 2011-04-09 22:08:21 <agorist> lol
1640 2011-04-09 22:08:46 <OneFixt> ok listen carefully
1641 2011-04-09 22:08:49 <OneFixt> the password is
1642 2011-04-09 22:08:49 <OneFixt> 1
1643 2011-04-09 22:08:52 <OneFixt> 2
1644 2011-04-09 22:08:53 * jgarzik just trades in and out of mtgox. it's fantastic for its purpose. but if you are technical you might as well manage your own wallet
1645 2011-04-09 22:08:54 <OneFixt> 3
1646 2011-04-09 22:08:56 <OneFixt> 4
1647 2011-04-09 22:08:59 <luke-jr> OMG
1648 2011-04-09 22:09:01 <OneFixt> 5
1649 2011-04-09 22:09:02 <OneFixt> ..
1650 2011-04-09 22:09:03 <ArtForz> hey, thats the combination on my luggage!
1651 2011-04-09 22:09:04 <luke-jr> that's the combination for my luggage
1652 2011-04-09 22:09:05 <jgarzik> OneFixt: that's the combination on my luggage!
1653 2011-04-09 22:09:06 <OneFixt> =D
1654 2011-04-09 22:09:10 <jgarzik> heh
1655 2011-04-09 22:09:12 <OneFixt> that's why i love this community
1656 2011-04-09 22:10:04 <luke-jr> because we've all seen Spaceballs?
1657 2011-04-09 22:10:34 CyanDynamo has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1658 2011-04-09 22:10:48 <OneFixt> because nerdy jokes have a high chance of hitting home
1659 2011-04-09 22:12:41 <cosurgi> spaceballs being nerdy?
1660 2011-04-09 22:12:48 <cosurgi> that's just old.
1661 2011-04-09 22:13:34 <cosurgi> old jokes hitting home. We are old here :>
1662 2011-04-09 22:13:40 <lfm> a spoof of start warz is gonna atract a nerdy adience
1663 2011-04-09 22:13:41 <OneFixt> i was about to say that =)
1664 2011-04-09 22:13:58 <OneFixt> both of those actualy
1665 2011-04-09 22:14:02 <OneFixt> actually*
1666 2011-04-09 22:14:16 <OneFixt> old nerdy bitcoiners
1667 2011-04-09 22:15:20 <cosurgi> ok.. Now I discovered that this message "[atiddx] Can not allocate deferred message entry!" is flooding Xorg.0.log when I try to use this GPU and it starts overheating.
1668 2011-04-09 22:15:52 <cosurgi> it starts overheating about 1 minutes after I start using it :)
1669 2011-04-09 22:16:02 * xelister puts cocain in ArtForz luggage
1670 2011-04-09 22:16:04 <lfm> broken...
1671 2011-04-09 22:16:05 <cosurgi> so now I run diablominer on --devices 2,3
1672 2011-04-09 22:16:20 <xelister> "hey I thought I was carrying only 0.5 kg. Extra 1.0 kg? awesome"
1673 2011-04-09 22:16:44 <cosurgi> https://sites.google.com/site/cosurgi/
1674 2011-04-09 22:16:49 <cosurgi> that's the older graph.
1675 2011-04-09 22:17:11 <cosurgi> That GPU started overheaing last night. And was working fine for two months. The temperature scale is on the right.
1676 2011-04-09 22:17:19 <kiba> Bitcoin forum BUSY?
1677 2011-04-09 22:17:41 <lfm> broken.
1678 2011-04-09 22:17:52 <kiba> oh dear
1679 2011-04-09 22:17:57 <kiba> we're outgrowing the server!
1680 2011-04-09 22:18:16 <xelister> cosurgi: kurwa
1681 2011-04-09 22:18:22 <xelister> \o/ pl
1682 2011-04-09 22:18:31 <kiba> xelister: so..what do you think of my crowdfunded project?
1683 2011-04-09 22:18:46 <xelister> lolol cosurgi 95 C
1684 2011-04-09 22:18:59 <xelister> cosurgi: your gpu had 95 C for 6+ hours?
1685 2011-04-09 22:19:06 <xelister> it's frying.
1686 2011-04-09 22:19:10 <cosurgi> xelister: yeah, I was sleeping
1687 2011-04-09 22:19:20 <OneFixt> cosurgi: the "what is bitcoin" video is most popular with males age 35-44 (45-54 next in popularity)
1688 2011-04-09 22:19:29 <Guest75122> forum down ... I blame BobR....
1689 2011-04-09 22:19:38 <cosurgi> xelister: more like it was 95 C for 12h
1690 2011-04-09 22:20:07 <RBecker> ;;bc,stats
1691 2011-04-09 22:20:09 <gribble> Current Blocks: 117552 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 1391 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 2 hours, 18 minutes, and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 87656.42304630
1692 2011-04-09 22:20:26 <lfm> cosurgi: sorry man, I doubt there anything anyone can do for ya except waranty return
1693 2011-04-09 22:20:36 <cosurgi> xelister: in fact I noticed only when Xorg.0.log flooded so much, that it gre to 1 GB, and there was no more free space on that 8GB where / is mounted, and I got sms message from my backup server that backupping failed.
1694 2011-04-09 22:20:57 <cosurgi> s/it gre/it grow/
1695 2011-04-09 22:21:07 <cosurgi> 8 GB USB stick.
1696 2011-04-09 22:21:17 <xelister> cosurgi: 95 C for 12h... wow
1697 2011-04-09 22:21:23 <xelister> cosurgi: I would turn off that card totally
1698 2011-04-09 22:21:25 <xelister> imo
1699 2011-04-09 22:21:29 <cosurgi> I did.
1700 2011-04-09 22:21:46 <cosurgi> the box is still mining, but with --devices 2,3 only.
1701 2011-04-09 22:21:59 <kiba> FORUM DOWN
1702 2011-04-09 22:22:03 <kiba> THE SKY IS FALLING!
1703 2011-04-09 22:22:05 <xelister> kiba: noez
1704 2011-04-09 22:22:28 * kiba panics like an American who watch too much disaster porn
1705 2011-04-09 22:22:36 <xelister> are we slashdoted
1706 2011-04-09 22:22:55 <lfm> or ddosd
1707 2011-04-09 22:22:57 <kiba> sirius-m: FORUM DOWN!
1708 2011-04-09 22:23:15 * xelister panics like an American after seeing a Nigge^H a sand-Nigger (Arab) boarding a plane
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1712 2011-04-09 22:23:32 <genjix> da2ce7: hey
1713 2011-04-09 22:23:34 * xelister undresses and runs over to nearest TSA checkpoint
1714 2011-04-09 22:23:52 <kiba> forum down. Sirus-m missing in action.
1715 2011-04-09 22:24:19 <kiba> at least bitcoin.org site doesn't die
1716 2011-04-09 22:24:32 <cosurgi> there's another slashdotting?
1717 2011-04-09 22:25:35 <genjix> no
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1719 2011-04-09 22:26:10 <kiba> well
1720 2011-04-09 22:26:15 <kiba> it's bound to happen
1721 2011-04-09 22:26:26 <kiba> traffic grows and grows like crazy
1722 2011-04-09 22:26:40 <cosurgi> check where do they come from.
1723 2011-04-09 22:26:48 <cosurgi> There must be something in the news
1724 2011-04-09 22:26:54 <kiba> if there is
1725 2011-04-09 22:26:56 <Guest75122> BobR did it. server couldn't handle his crap any more. :)
1726 2011-04-09 22:27:01 <kiba> I would know a twitter bomb
1727 2011-04-09 22:27:20 <kiba> BobR still PMing you with spam?
1728 2011-04-09 22:27:26 <Speeder> how the ewallet people get money?
1729 2011-04-09 22:27:31 <Speeder> for example mybitcoin?
1730 2011-04-09 22:27:38 <kiba> same way like everybody
1731 2011-04-09 22:27:49 <Speeder> I mean, mybitcoin does not charge anything...
1732 2011-04-09 22:27:53 <Speeder> where their money come from?
1733 2011-04-09 22:27:56 <kiba> don't know
1734 2011-04-09 22:28:04 <kiba> maybe they're just doing it for free
1735 2011-04-09 22:28:20 <Necr0s> From the bitcoin money market?
1736 2011-04-09 22:28:27 <Necr0s> Loan out deposits at interest.
1737 2011-04-09 22:28:30 <Speeder> oh, just saw on their site.
1738 2011-04-09 22:28:38 <Speeder> they get money from ads
1739 2011-04-09 22:28:43 <Speeder> Necr0s mybitcoin is full reserve
1740 2011-04-09 22:28:46 <kiba> really?
1741 2011-04-09 22:28:55 * kiba is not aware of mybitcoin selling ads
1742 2011-04-09 22:30:04 <Speeder> there are some banners
1743 2011-04-09 22:30:14 <Speeder> on the logout area (that I saw now)
1744 2011-04-09 22:31:29 <lfm> Speeder: why would mybitcoin need money
1745 2011-04-09 22:31:40 <Speeder> dunno
1746 2011-04-09 22:31:47 <Speeder> only wanted to know how they pay their servers ;)
1747 2011-04-09 22:32:00 <lfm> spare change?
1748 2011-04-09 22:32:16 <kiba> Speeder: I don't think they actually sell banner space
1749 2011-04-09 22:32:31 <Speeder> but there are a banner on the logout screen, I just saw it
1750 2011-04-09 22:32:42 <kiba> doesn't mean they sell banner space
1751 2011-04-09 22:32:45 <kiba> it's just a banner
1752 2011-04-09 22:32:56 <Speeder> but it is written in their front page they get money from ads
1753 2011-04-09 22:33:00 <kiba> oh
1754 2011-04-09 22:33:52 <kiba> hmm
1755 2011-04-09 22:34:54 <kiba> Warning: session_write_close() [function.session-write-close]: write failed: No space left on device (28) in /var/www/bitcoin/wiki/doku.php on line 81
1756 2011-04-09 22:35:00 <kiba> I believe
1757 2011-04-09 22:35:10 <kiba> not enough memory is the root cause
1758 2011-04-09 22:35:18 <kiba> http://www.bitcoin.org/wiki/doku.php?id=transactions
1759 2011-04-09 22:37:02 <Speeder> who is the coinpal guy?
1760 2011-04-09 22:37:52 <sgornick> Speeder: mdrix her on irc, ... coincard also ,,(bc,wiki coinpal)
1761 2011-04-09 22:37:53 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/CoinPal | Apr 2, 2011 ... CoinPal is an exchange that accepts PayPal for relatively small order sizes and a weekly limit on purchases. The site was first publicly ...
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1763 2011-04-09 22:41:12 <lfm> bye kiba
1764 2011-04-09 22:42:51 <cosurgi> hmm... does anybody know what's the difference between corsair "TX" "AX" and "HX" ? Except for the price. AX is twice the price of TX
1765 2011-04-09 22:43:19 <lfm> cosurgi: whats that? ram?
1766 2011-04-09 22:43:23 <cosurgi> PSU
1767 2011-04-09 22:43:35 <cosurgi> ArtForz: have an idea?
1768 2011-04-09 22:43:48 <lfm> prolly some or more efficient
1769 2011-04-09 22:44:22 <cosurgi> I'm wondering if my GPU failuer might be PSU related.
1770 2011-04-09 22:44:22 <[Tycho]> May be single or multiple 12v rails ? :)
1771 2011-04-09 22:45:12 <lfm> well it could be just a gpu filaure. if as you say the othe rhalf are still working the psu would seem innocent
1772 2011-04-09 22:45:13 <cosurgi> I have CORSAIR CMPSU-750TXEU 750W. It is powering 5850+5870+5870, for two months without problems. Problems started 15h ago.
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1774 2011-04-09 22:46:46 <cosurgi> may be it has not enough juice to power the fan. On graphs I see that fan suddenly dropped to 85%, even though I set it to 100% every 10 seconds with 'watch' command. And Exactly at the tim ewhen fan dropped - the GPU went into overheat mode.
1775 2011-04-09 22:47:35 * cosurgi wonders...
1776 2011-04-09 22:47:55 <lfm> cosurgi: ya, fans fail too
1777 2011-04-09 22:48:06 <Speeder> someone know how to connect to irc with proxy?
1778 2011-04-09 22:48:14 <Speeder> or some other anon method/
1779 2011-04-09 22:48:15 <Speeder> ?
1780 2011-04-09 22:48:26 <lfm> no
1781 2011-04-09 22:48:42 <cosurgi> I wonder if it makes some extra noise right now.... Will check that on monday. I didn't put any microphone in the server room.
1782 2011-04-09 22:48:53 <ArtForz> cosurgi: I've seen that shit, somehow ati driver resets fan profile to auto when card overheats sometimes
1783 2011-04-09 22:49:17 <cosurgi> ArtForz: I tried rebooting - didn't help
1784 2011-04-09 22:49:40 <ArtForz> no, the fanspeed thing
1785 2011-04-09 22:50:15 <ArtForz> I saw that on a overheating 5770, manually setting it to anything and back to 100 "fixes" it here... until it does it again
1786 2011-04-09 22:50:32 <cosurgi> oh.
1787 2011-04-09 22:50:42 <cosurgi> I'll try that
1788 2011-04-09 22:50:51 <cosurgi> I do this:
1789 2011-04-09 22:50:52 <sirius-m> any slowness problems with the forum?
1790 2011-04-09 22:50:53 <cosurgi> watch -n600 ./MON.sh
1791 2011-04-09 22:51:00 <cosurgi> watch -n10 ./MON.sh
1792 2011-04-09 22:51:03 <cosurgi> this rather :)
1793 2011-04-09 22:51:07 <cosurgi> while ./MON.sh is:
1794 2011-04-09 22:51:25 <cosurgi> #!/bin/bash
1795 2011-04-09 22:51:25 <cosurgi> export DISPLAY=:0.0
1796 2011-04-09 22:51:25 <cosurgi> sleep 1 ;
1797 2011-04-09 22:51:25 <cosurgi> aticonfig --pplib-cmd 'set fanspeed 0 50' > /dev/null ;
1798 2011-04-09 22:51:25 <cosurgi> export DISPLAY=:0.1
1799 2011-04-09 22:51:27 <cosurgi> sleep 1 ;
1800 2011-04-09 22:51:30 <cosurgi> aticonfig --pplib-cmd 'set fanspeed 0 100' > /dev/null ;
1801 2011-04-09 22:51:32 <cosurgi> export DISPLAY=:0.2
1802 2011-04-09 22:51:35 <cosurgi> sleep 1 ;
1803 2011-04-09 22:51:37 <lfm> sirius-m: ya forum db was down
1804 2011-04-09 22:51:37 <cosurgi> aticonfig --pplib-cmd 'set fanspeed 0 100' > /dev/null ;
1805 2011-04-09 22:51:40 <cosurgi> export DISPLAY=:0.0
1806 2011-04-09 22:51:42 <cosurgi> sleep 1 ;
1807 2011-04-09 22:51:45 <cosurgi> aticonfig --pplib-cmd 'get fanspeed 0' | grep Result;
1808 2011-04-09 22:51:47 <cosurgi> export DISPLAY=:0.1
1809 2011-04-09 22:51:50 <cosurgi> sleep 1 ;
1810 2011-04-09 22:51:51 <sirius-m> lfm: but now?
1811 2011-04-09 22:51:52 <cosurgi> aticonfig --pplib-cmd 'get fanspeed 0' | grep Result;
1812 2011-04-09 22:51:55 <cosurgi> export DISPLAY=:0.2
1813 2011-04-09 22:51:57 <cosurgi> sleep 1 ;
1814 2011-04-09 22:52:00 <cosurgi> aticonfig --pplib-cmd 'get fanspeed 0' | grep Result;
1815 2011-04-09 22:52:02 <cosurgi> export DISPLAY=:0
1816 2011-04-09 22:52:05 <cosurgi> sleep 1 ;
1817 2011-04-09 22:52:07 <cosurgi> aticonfig --adapter=all --odgt | grep Temperature;
1818 2011-04-09 22:52:09 <lfm> bah
1819 2011-04-09 22:52:10 <cosurgi> sleep 2 ;
1820 2011-04-09 22:52:12 <cosurgi> aticonfig --adapter=all --od-getclocks | grep -e 'load\|Clocks'
1821 2011-04-09 22:52:17 <cosurgi> currently it's to 50% because I stopped using this GPU
1822 2011-04-09 22:52:20 <cosurgi> I'll try resetting speed as you said. 95% <-> 100%
1823 2011-04-09 22:52:22 <cosurgi> back and forth
1824 2011-04-09 22:52:41 <lfm> sirius-m: seems fine now actually
1825 2011-04-09 22:52:44 <sirius-m> ok
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1827 2011-04-09 22:53:33 <ArtForz> I'd prolly check if the fan is still running free and also look for dust
1828 2011-04-09 22:53:47 <lfm> yup
1829 2011-04-09 22:54:02 <ArtForz> shot ati fans have a *very* unique sound
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1831 2011-04-09 22:54:57 <xelister> aticonfig --pplib-cmd 'set fanspeed 0 100'
1832 2011-04-09 22:55:27 <dbitcoin> ;;bc,help
1833 2011-04-09 22:55:28 <gribble> Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,channels, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,gen, Alias bc,gend, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,labs, Alias bc,lbs, Alias bc,markets, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,poolstats, Alias bc,prob, Alias bc,stats, Alias bc,timetonext, Alias bc,totalbc, and Alias bc,wiki
1834 2011-04-09 22:55:42 <cosurgi> oops.
1835 2011-04-09 22:55:47 <cosurgi> the box stopped responding.
1836 2011-04-09 22:55:54 <dbitcoin> ;;bc,stats
1837 2011-04-09 22:55:56 <gribble> Current Blocks: 117553 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 1390 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 3 hours, 18 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 87181.34459240
1838 2011-04-09 22:56:11 <cosurgi> all I did, was running MON.sh with those lines changed:
1839 2011-04-09 22:56:15 <cosurgi> sleep 1 ;
1840 2011-04-09 22:56:18 <cosurgi> aticonfig --pplib-cmd 'set fanspeed 0 95' > /dev/null ;
1841 2011-04-09 22:56:22 <cosurgi> sleep 1 ;
1842 2011-04-09 22:56:25 <cosurgi> aticonfig --pplib-cmd 'set fanspeed 0 100' > /dev/null ;
1843 2011-04-09 22:56:29 <cosurgi> bah.
1844 2011-04-09 22:56:31 <cosurgi> too bad.
1845 2011-04-09 22:56:37 <cosurgi> I didn't even start mininig with that GPU
1846 2011-04-09 22:56:53 <ArtForz> that sounds ... weird
1847 2011-04-09 22:57:14 <lfm> cosurgi: so it should still be on waranty?
1848 2011-04-09 22:57:25 <cosurgi> yes, 3 year warranty :)
1849 2011-04-09 22:57:33 <cosurgi> I was careful what I'm buying
1850 2011-04-09 22:58:02 <cosurgi> all my terminals on that box stopped responding. Not even a single line in the log.
1851 2011-04-09 22:58:28 <cosurgi> crap :)
1852 2011-04-09 22:58:41 <ArtForz> that sounds like the normal "card locked up" hard hang
1853 2011-04-09 22:59:11 <cosurgi> I can't hard reset, it's 15km away
1854 2011-04-09 22:59:19 <ArtForz> "whoops"
1855 2011-04-09 22:59:30 <cosurgi> It's 1 am here, so I have to wait until morning.
1856 2011-04-09 22:59:59 <cosurgi> are the other cards safe? Do they stop calculating and will go into idle mode?
1857 2011-04-09 23:00:09 <cosurgi> Or will they start overheating for some stupid reason?
1858 2011-04-09 23:00:26 <cosurgi> It will saty like that for 10 hours at least
1859 2011-04-09 23:00:30 <ArtForz> well, here they all stop mining immediately
1860 2011-04-09 23:00:31 <cosurgi> *stay
1861 2011-04-09 23:00:40 <ArtForz> fan stays on whatever it was set to
1862 2011-04-09 23:00:48 <ArtForz> until I hardreset the box
1863 2011-04-09 23:01:39 <cosurgi> ok. goodnight then :)
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1871 2011-04-09 23:34:35 <Keefe> bitcoiner: still have only the two 1 BTC credits in your mtgox account?
1872 2011-04-09 23:35:05 <Kiba> hello
1873 2011-04-09 23:35:17 <Kiba> Keefe: did ya see my Automata RTS project?
1874 2011-04-09 23:35:33 <Keefe> hi Kiba. no
1875 2011-04-09 23:36:35 <Kiba> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5465.0
1876 2011-04-09 23:36:36 <Kiba> weird
1877 2011-04-09 23:46:46 <Keefe> Kiba: good luck with that (not sarcasm). games aren't my thing
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1882 2011-04-09 23:56:04 <Kiba> Keefe: you could at least pledge 5 BTC?
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