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8 2011-04-14 00:09:11 <lumos> genjix,
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10 2011-04-14 00:15:57 <Kiba> hmm
11 2011-04-14 00:16:04 <Kiba> operationfabulous website is down
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17 2011-04-14 00:19:23 <slueth> Do you know how to fix traceback errors?
18 2011-04-14 00:19:35 <slueth> I had it running on my nvida card but then after switching to dual ati 5870s
19 2011-04-14 00:19:41 <slueth> the opencl doesn't work
20 2011-04-14 00:19:50 <slueth> even after installing ati-stream-sdk
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23 2011-04-14 00:20:47 <Necr0s> Didja dl and install the current Catalyst drivers?
24 2011-04-14 00:20:54 <slueth> yes
25 2011-04-14 00:21:12 <Necr0s> pastebin your error
26 2011-04-14 00:21:24 <slueth> http://pastebin.com/V1NGTjfA\
27 2011-04-14 00:21:26 <slueth> http://pastebin.com/V1NGTjfA
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29 2011-04-14 00:22:22 <slueth> i have installed ati stream too..
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32 2011-04-14 00:23:04 <[Tycho]> What is your OS and SP ?
33 2011-04-14 00:23:07 <Necr0s> Yeah, that error doesn't really tell a lot.
34 2011-04-14 00:23:15 <Necr0s> Just that there's a dll issue.
35 2011-04-14 00:23:19 <slueth> windows 7
36 2011-04-14 00:23:21 <slueth> and um..
37 2011-04-14 00:23:23 <slueth> you know what
38 2011-04-14 00:23:29 <slueth> imma just do this bitmining on ubuntu
39 2011-04-14 00:23:36 <Necr0s> heh
40 2011-04-14 00:23:39 <slueth> probably easier
41 2011-04-14 00:23:43 <slueth> too much driver mixup..
42 2011-04-14 00:23:54 <[Tycho]> The best choice is XP SP3
43 2011-04-14 00:23:56 <Necr0s> I run ATI with poclbm on win7, and it runs for me.
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46 2011-04-14 00:24:31 <Necr0s> I didn't even install stream explicitly, just Catalyst with OpenCL support.
47 2011-04-14 00:24:45 <slueth> bah
48 2011-04-14 00:25:04 <Necr0s> If it works on Ubu tho, go for that.
49 2011-04-14 00:25:06 <slueth> it worked with my old gtx470
50 2011-04-14 00:25:17 <slueth> but then i swapped it for two ati 5870..
51 2011-04-14 00:25:24 <slueth> did a driver sweep doesn't work
52 2011-04-14 00:25:28 <slueth> gonna go for ubuntu.. :)
53 2011-04-14 00:25:31 <slueth> kk thanks
54 2011-04-14 00:26:19 <Necr0s> fwiw, I believe there are two Catalyst downloads. The basic one, and then a larger onw that specifically includes OpenCL support.
55 2011-04-14 00:26:23 <Necr0s> (for Windows)
56 2011-04-14 00:26:29 <Kiba> the bitcoin weekly magazine...
57 2011-04-14 00:26:34 <Kiba> has escalated to an enterprise
58 2011-04-14 00:26:36 <Kiba> :(
59 2011-04-14 00:26:47 <Necr0s> why :(
60 2011-04-14 00:26:52 <Kiba> because
61 2011-04-14 00:26:57 <Kiba> I just want to get paid to write
62 2011-04-14 00:27:08 <Kiba> not operate a whole damn magazine
63 2011-04-14 00:27:12 <Necr0s> mmm
64 2011-04-14 00:27:41 jackmcbarn has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
65 2011-04-14 00:27:43 <Kiba> The Bitcoin Times owner bailed out
66 2011-04-14 00:27:44 <Necr0s> hire some nig to deal with the chores.
67 2011-04-14 00:28:08 <Kiba> Necr0s: All my editors quited
68 2011-04-14 00:28:26 <Kiba> everybody gave up
69 2011-04-14 00:28:27 <Kiba> I didn't
70 2011-04-14 00:28:40 <Necr0s> mmm
71 2011-04-14 00:28:49 <Necr0s> well you'd better not do so now then.
72 2011-04-14 00:29:07 <Necr0s> how would you live with youself?
73 2011-04-14 00:29:13 <Kiba> dunno
74 2011-04-14 00:29:26 <Necr0s> Or maybe you could.
75 2011-04-14 00:29:34 <Necr0s> Life doesn't always have right answers.
76 2011-04-14 00:29:42 <Necr0s> Heck, sell it.
77 2011-04-14 00:29:44 <Necr0s> to google
78 2011-04-14 00:29:45 <Necr0s> :)
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80 2011-04-14 00:31:27 <Necr0s> Would you say that freenode tends to be more developer-centric than other irc networks?
81 2011-04-14 00:31:45 <Kiba> it's dedicated to open source...
82 2011-04-14 00:31:57 <Necr0s> ah
83 2011-04-14 00:32:01 <Necr0s> That would explain it.
84 2011-04-14 00:32:54 <Necr0s> I come from an EFNet history, which certainly has a different flavor.
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87 2011-04-14 00:38:51 <Diablo-D3> xelister: you here?
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90 2011-04-14 00:45:40 <Diablo-D3> xelister: all revisions that a later revision doesnt say "oops, wtf did I write that for" are stable.
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94 2011-04-14 00:57:41 <lfm> so the latest revision is always stable!
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102 2011-04-14 01:17:57 <slueth> why does GPU cap show my processor as a cl device?
103 2011-04-14 01:18:05 <slueth> and I can't locate the second ati 5870
104 2011-04-14 01:20:00 <slueth> I mean its showing my cpu as a cl device.. but not listing my second gpu..
105 2011-04-14 01:21:14 <lfm> cuz you can run opencl code on your cpu (slowly)
106 2011-04-14 01:21:40 <slueth> someone said i have to attach a monitor
107 2011-04-14 01:21:54 <slueth> for my other gpu to be recognized
108 2011-04-14 01:22:07 <slueth> how do I do this if i have only 1 monitor?
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110 2011-04-14 01:22:22 <sipa> slueth: use linux :)
111 2011-04-14 01:22:34 <slueth> bah
112 2011-04-14 01:22:46 <sipa> the windows ati driver disables cards that are not connected to a screen, i believe
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114 2011-04-14 01:22:55 <slueth> i see..
115 2011-04-14 01:22:57 <slueth> :(
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117 2011-04-14 01:23:25 <lfm> you can switcg the monitor back and forth and get em both running I have heard
118 2011-04-14 01:23:31 <[Tycho]> slueth, you can just insert a resistor in appropriate hole of your DVI connector :)
119 2011-04-14 01:23:32 <lfm> switch
120 2011-04-14 01:23:34 <slueth> let me try that now ;)
121 2011-04-14 01:23:50 <slueth> do i have to restart?
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123 2011-04-14 01:24:19 <lfm> I dont think you restart, not sure, I dont actually use windows
124 2011-04-14 01:24:59 <slueth> blah the problem is im programming in visual studios..
125 2011-04-14 01:25:06 <slueth> stupid teacher..
126 2011-04-14 01:25:22 <slueth> and don't wanna swap to ubuntu..
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131 2011-04-14 01:33:58 * slueth is full of win.
132 2011-04-14 01:34:09 <slueth> :) thanks it works.. super hackish.. but it works
133 2011-04-14 01:34:36 <slueth> lol both gfx card is attached to one monitor..
134 2011-04-14 01:34:49 <slueth> i hope it doesn't explode ^ __ ^
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145 2011-04-14 02:04:41 <da2ce7> ;;bc,stats
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147 2011-04-14 02:04:43 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118263 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 680 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 0 hours, 31 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92708.39380922
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150 2011-04-14 02:10:02 <awitte> hi
151 2011-04-14 02:10:35 <slueth> dam it seems like the difficulty is going up so fast :X
152 2011-04-14 02:11:11 <awitte> I have a short question
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154 2011-04-14 02:12:02 <Blitzboom> ask away
155 2011-04-14 02:12:05 <awitte> Is there a possibility of automated sending bitcoins
156 2011-04-14 02:12:13 <[Tycho]> Sure.
157 2011-04-14 02:12:17 <Necr0s> Surely.
158 2011-04-14 02:12:18 <awitte> every week / month
159 2011-04-14 02:12:38 <Necr0s> The RPC API would be the ticket for setting that up.
160 2011-04-14 02:13:18 <awitte> its not in the windows programm?
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162 2011-04-14 02:13:43 <[Tycho]> You can do that in Windows.
163 2011-04-14 02:14:36 <awitte> you know where?
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165 2011-04-14 02:15:09 <[Tycho]> Yes. Use task sheduler to run bitcoin with appropriate commandline arguments.
166 2011-04-14 02:15:36 <Necr0s> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/API_reference_(JSON-RPC)
167 2011-04-14 02:16:26 <awitte> k thx
168 2011-04-14 02:18:19 <Keefe> luke-jr: just noticed -watch, Txn and Blk. perfect :)
169 2011-04-14 02:18:28 <luke-jr> :D
170 2011-04-14 02:18:31 <Keefe> why didn't i think of that :)
171 2011-04-14 02:18:44 <luke-jr> Keefe: I also forced the trades to standard units
172 2011-04-14 02:18:55 <luke-jr> so rubles will always show as ___RUB
173 2011-04-14 02:19:12 <luke-jr> with the processor dimmed, and currency at full brightness
174 2011-04-14 02:19:20 <luke-jr> same w/ PXGAU and WMGAU
175 2011-04-14 02:19:51 <Keefe> nice
176 2011-04-14 02:20:17 <Keefe> so i no longer have to remember the WM letters
177 2011-04-14 02:20:41 <luke-jr> âº
178 2011-04-14 02:21:07 <luke-jr> Keefe: btw, like my vanity bitcoin address for donations? :P
179 2011-04-14 02:21:10 <luke-jr> (ends in Bit)
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182 2011-04-14 02:22:41 <Keefe> :) was just thinking the other day about using "vanity" addresses to play chess with someone
183 2011-04-14 02:23:22 <Keefe> without telling anyone first. see if anyone noticed in -watch or something
184 2011-04-14 02:27:10 <necrodearia> By the way, should http://www.bitcoin.org/favicon.ico be changed to look like the icon in http://www.bitcoin.org/img/logo.png ?
185 2011-04-14 02:27:51 <tcatm> no. I like the coin logo :)
186 2011-04-14 02:28:59 <tcatm> luke-jr: is there anyone in -monitor who is not in -watch?
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201 2011-04-14 02:41:27 <EPiSKiNG> [Tycho]: I should switch to pps
202 2011-04-14 02:41:53 <EPiSKiNG> nm
203 2011-04-14 02:41:56 <EPiSKiNG> disregard
204 2011-04-14 02:41:56 <EPiSKiNG> thanks
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208 2011-04-14 02:43:22 <[Tycho]> :)
209 2011-04-14 02:43:49 <EPiSKiNG> ps. do i get a bonus when i sign someone up? ;)
210 2011-04-14 02:44:44 <[Tycho]> Actually at this moment I can't adjust people's fee separately. But i'll think about it.
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212 2011-04-14 02:46:28 <underscor> Your order has been chosen for manual review. Please reply to this email and let us know if the number xxx-xxx-xxxx can receive SMS.
213 2011-04-14 02:46:35 <underscor> Damn, I really wanted some bitcoins
214 2011-04-14 02:46:48 <underscor> (from coinpal)
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216 2011-04-14 02:48:00 <[Tycho]> The flooder is back again ? :)
217 2011-04-14 02:49:01 <EPiSKiNG> i was reading about that just now
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219 2011-04-14 02:52:19 <underscor> Are there rules about adding a business to the https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade page?
220 2011-04-14 02:52:33 <underscor> ie, can the proprietor do it, or does a third party need to?
221 2011-04-14 02:53:06 <Blitzboom> anyone can
222 2011-04-14 02:53:12 <underscor> Okay, cool
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226 2011-04-14 02:53:30 <underscor> (/me is setting up a bitcoin-accepting seedbox provider)
227 2011-04-14 02:53:40 <Blitzboom> nice
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229 2011-04-14 02:54:21 <underscor> http://simplshare.info/ :)
230 2011-04-14 02:54:31 <underscor> I figure it's a good application of the anonymity bit
231 2011-04-14 02:55:39 <sacarlson> [Tycho]: flooder? flooding what?
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235 2011-04-14 03:07:25 <funkenstein> hey anybody mind if i send .01BTC back and forth to myself 10^6 times or so?
236 2011-04-14 03:08:06 <luke-jr> tcatm: no idea, why?
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239 2011-04-14 03:08:43 <funkenstein> just curious what the network load would be
240 2011-04-14 03:09:40 <luke-jr> tcatm: at a glance, I think so
241 2011-04-14 03:09:50 <tcatm> luke-jr: I closed -monitor. No need to duplicate functionality
242 2011-04-14 03:09:53 <luke-jr> funkenstein: retards do that all the time
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246 2011-04-14 03:10:41 <luke-jr> tcatm: might make sense to change the topic to point to -watch, then.
247 2011-04-14 03:10:52 <luke-jr> oh, you did
248 2011-04-14 03:11:02 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,stats
249 2011-04-14 03:11:04 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118276 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 667 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 21 hours, 45 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 93057.91086169
250 2011-04-14 03:11:23 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,calcd 355000 93057.91086169
251 2011-04-14 03:11:24 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 355000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 93057.91086169, is 1 week, 6 days, 0 hours, 44 minutes, and 21 seconds
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253 2011-04-14 03:12:56 <luke-jr> tcatm: I counted 8 people, fwiw
254 2011-04-14 03:14:16 <[Tycho]> faucet is hacked ? :)
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256 2011-04-14 03:14:29 <luke-jr> â
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258 2011-04-14 03:14:52 <[Tycho]> What is "â" ?
259 2011-04-14 03:15:47 <luke-jr> what it looks like?
260 2011-04-14 03:15:58 <funkenstein> å
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262 2011-04-14 03:16:49 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: ? followed by !
263 2011-04-14 03:16:49 <funkenstein> ฿
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266 2011-04-14 03:20:56 <underscor> â½
267 2011-04-14 03:21:02 <underscor> weird
268 2011-04-14 03:22:51 <luke-jr> XD
269 2011-04-14 03:26:53 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
270 2011-04-14 03:26:54 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1,"low":0.8636,"vol":42121,"buy":0.9102,"sell":0.9349,"last":0.9102}}
271 2011-04-14 03:27:23 <luke-jr> tcatm: it might be useful, to show the new "low ask" or "high bid" on trades
272 2011-04-14 03:27:45 <tcatm> for the telnet stream?
273 2011-04-14 03:28:26 <tcatm> there'll be a new, realtime stream within the next months featuring orderbook updates
274 2011-04-14 03:28:38 <luke-jr> OTC orderbook?
275 2011-04-14 03:28:44 <luke-jr> or general, for all the markets?
276 2011-04-14 03:28:49 <tcatm> all markets
277 2011-04-14 03:28:53 <luke-jr> hm
278 2011-04-14 03:29:22 <luke-jr> tcatm: btw, have you seen the latest version of -watch? It's quite nice âº
279 2011-04-14 03:29:26 * luke-jr should get a new screenshot
280 2011-04-14 03:29:31 <tcatm> nope
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284 2011-04-14 03:30:29 <luke-jr> <ljrbot> trade MtGox: 24.00 BTC @ 0.91019 MTGUSD
285 2011-04-14 03:30:46 <luke-jr> timestamps are appended, if older than 5 minutes
286 2011-04-14 03:31:00 <tcatm> nice
287 2011-04-14 03:32:11 <tcatm> are you connecting from a fixed IP?
288 2011-04-14 03:32:20 <luke-jr> yeah, why?
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290 2011-04-14 03:32:43 <tcatm> I'm watching netstat for connections on port 27007
291 2011-04-14 03:32:54 <luke-jr> 2001:470:88ff:2e::1 or 173.242.112.53
292 2011-04-14 03:33:12 <tcatm> k
293 2011-04-14 03:33:26 <tcatm> telnet stream doesn't support IPv6 yet
294 2011-04-14 03:40:13 Kiba` is now known as kiba
295 2011-04-14 03:42:34 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * r7b4a41df9821 supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/OTCOrderBook/plugin.py: OTCOrderBook: set autoincrement to stop reusing order ids. http://tinyurl.com/44hnlwd
296 2011-04-14 03:44:50 <grbgout> hah, think this guy is involved with bitcoins: http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bar/2311785717.html
297 2011-04-14 03:47:54 <luke-jr> got one of those in tampa too
298 2011-04-14 03:47:58 <luke-jr> almost the exact same wording
299 2011-04-14 03:48:09 <grbgout> what else could it be?
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301 2011-04-14 03:49:05 <luke-jr> grbgout: wifi cracking?
302 2011-04-14 03:49:35 <grbgout> luke-jr: aye, or just cracking in general (jack the ripper on crack, or something)
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304 2011-04-14 03:53:39 <grbgout> damn, the prices on the 5870s I was looking at on ebay went crazy; none of them are even within a day of auction close.
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309 2011-04-14 04:06:26 <kiba> O_o
310 2011-04-14 04:06:32 <kiba> linux is twenty years old
311 2011-04-14 04:06:35 * luke-jr pokes kiba'a eye
312 2011-04-14 04:06:38 <kiba> I am twenty years old :(
313 2011-04-14 04:06:41 <luke-jr> GNU is older.
314 2011-04-14 04:06:53 <kiba> I am old :()
315 2011-04-14 04:06:58 <luke-jr> someone's robbing the faucet again
316 2011-04-14 04:07:08 <luke-jr> kiba: I am 26 (deci)
317 2011-04-14 04:09:46 <grbgout> kiba: don't worry, you aren't officially old until you turn 25: that's when your brain stops developing (supposedly; although I did read something a few years later that suggested otherwise).
318 2011-04-14 04:12:36 <sacarlson> ok time to play with bitcoind in test mode. how can I get some coins to add to it?
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320 2011-04-14 04:13:11 <grbgout> sacarlson: I believe there's a TESTNET faucet
321 2011-04-14 04:13:33 <sacarlson> also I don't want to mess up my real walet, testnet faucet I'll try google that
322 2011-04-14 04:13:35 <grbgout> https://freebitcoins.appspot.com/test/
323 2011-04-14 04:13:42 <grbgout> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Testnet
324 2011-04-14 04:14:29 <sacarlson> grbgout: perfect thanks
325 2011-04-14 04:16:01 <noagendamarket> wait till you turn 40 then tell me how old you feel...
326 2011-04-14 04:17:07 gribble has joined
327 2011-04-14 04:18:18 <[Tycho]> Someone forgot to close the valve :) http://www.bitcoinmonitor.com/
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329 2011-04-14 04:21:18 <grbgout> wow, OpenGL 3.1 vs 3.2 is roughly an $80 difference at newegg for the same card.
330 2011-04-14 04:22:09 <forrestv> why does bitcoin's domain on the .it tld?
331 2011-04-14 04:22:21 <grbgout> tld?
332 2011-04-14 04:22:24 <kiba> ya mean the bitcoin wiki?
333 2011-04-14 04:22:36 <forrestv> oh ... yeah.
334 2011-04-14 04:22:44 <forrestv> en.bitcoin.it
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336 2011-04-14 04:22:54 <kiba> let bitcoin it!
337 2011-04-14 04:23:03 <kiba> dunno
338 2011-04-14 04:27:04 <lfm> italt
339 2011-04-14 04:27:10 <lfm> italy
340 2011-04-14 04:27:32 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * r8028c0cca146 supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/OTCOrderBook/plugin.py: OTCOrderBook: forgot to add the extratime to long orders. http://tinyurl.com/5vovms5
341 2011-04-14 04:30:03 <lfm> en is for english, it is for italy in en.bitcoin.iy
342 2011-04-14 04:30:06 <lfm> en is for english, it is for italy in en.bitcoin.it
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348 2011-04-14 04:39:01 <kiba> lfm: who give a damn about what the TLD belongs to what state
349 2011-04-14 04:39:21 <luke-jr> http://www.bitcoinmonitor.com/ leaky faucet
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352 2011-04-14 04:39:46 <grbgout> What would you guys say is a fair price for a lightly used HD 5850?
353 2011-04-14 04:40:17 <luke-jr> grbgout: non-overclocked?
354 2011-04-14 04:40:24 <grbgout> luke-jr: probably
355 2011-04-14 04:40:31 <luke-jr> maybe $150-$160?
356 2011-04-14 04:40:37 <grbgout> lookin' through craigslist.
357 2011-04-14 04:40:44 <grbgout> nah, you can get one for that from newegg brand new.
358 2011-04-14 04:41:02 <grbgout> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121375R
359 2011-04-14 04:41:09 <grbgout> deactivated, though ^_^
360 2011-04-14 04:41:51 <grbgout> I'll offer him $100 and see what happens :)
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362 2011-04-14 04:44:54 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
363 2011-04-14 04:44:57 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118290 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 653 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 19 hours, 46 minutes, and 58 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 93288.33727926
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370 2011-04-14 05:07:41 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik settxfee * r0e014e026264 bitcoind-personal/rpc.cpp: Add 'settxfee' RPC, to set transaction fee at runtime http://tinyurl.com/3s5z5e9
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372 2011-04-14 05:09:04 <Necr0s> ^ That sounds like a useful addition.
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374 2011-04-14 05:12:00 <eternal1> when i pay a transaction fee, who get that bitcoin ?
375 2011-04-14 05:12:14 <[Tycho]> Miner of the block.
376 2011-04-14 05:12:27 <lfm> the next miner to find a block and include your txn in that block
377 2011-04-14 05:12:58 <witten> does the bitcoin client take several minutes to start up for anyone else?
378 2011-04-14 05:13:14 <jgarzik> witten: do you have all blocks downloaded? was it a while, since you last ran it?
379 2011-04-14 05:13:14 <lfm> witten: depends how long its been off
380 2011-04-14 05:13:20 <Necr0s> It takes a while to download the block chain if it's a new install.
381 2011-04-14 05:13:31 <witten> jgarzik: a couple of hours at most
382 2011-04-14 05:13:40 <witten> this is an existing install
383 2011-04-14 05:13:47 <Necr0s> No, it starts up in seconds for me (on OS X)
384 2011-04-14 05:13:55 <witten> it downloads the remaining block chain before the GUI shows up?
385 2011-04-14 05:14:06 <lfm> witten: may also take a while to establish the first connection
386 2011-04-14 05:14:14 <Necr0s> GUI shows first, then downloading commences.
387 2011-04-14 05:14:19 <jgarzik> witten: GUI shows before all blocks are downloaded
388 2011-04-14 05:14:24 <witten> lfm: does it establish the first connection before the GUI starts?
389 2011-04-14 05:14:35 <lfm> not always
390 2011-04-14 05:14:40 <witten> then I'm not sure what it's doing.. next time I'll strace it
391 2011-04-14 05:14:54 <Necr0s> That sounds like the ticket.
392 2011-04-14 05:15:19 * Necr0s suspects DNS.
393 2011-04-14 05:15:51 <witten> hmm, could be
394 2011-04-14 05:16:06 <Necr0s> That's quite often the culprit with these long-assed delays.
395 2011-04-14 05:16:26 <Necr0s> But strace will give you a better idea.
396 2011-04-14 05:16:36 <witten> thanks
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398 2011-04-14 05:17:05 <lfm> bitcoin doesnt use dns much
399 2011-04-14 05:17:18 <eternal1> so, my txn gets to the hashchain via the winner miner ?
400 2011-04-14 05:17:19 <lfm> just to get an irc server I think
401 2011-04-14 05:17:32 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * rc1ab5f14732d supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/OTCWebsite/viewratings.php: OTCWebsite: case insensitive match on nick between rating and gpg dbs http://tinyurl.com/439l2zp
402 2011-04-14 05:17:34 <Necr0s> But during initialization it might, inadvertantly even.
403 2011-04-14 05:17:58 <lfm> eternal1: ya the block chain
404 2011-04-14 05:18:19 <Necr0s> Trying to resolve the local IP to a hostname is a common one I see.
405 2011-04-14 05:18:27 <eternal1> ok, thx lfm
406 2011-04-14 05:19:11 <eternal1> so all that confirmation that i get after the txn are blocks added after my txn is completed ?
407 2011-04-14 05:19:21 <witten> ooh, I got a segfault when I toggle the use UPNP option in settings
408 2011-04-14 05:19:21 <lfm> right
409 2011-04-14 05:19:30 <lfm> cool
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411 2011-04-14 05:19:36 <witten> is a certain version of UPNP required?
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413 2011-04-14 05:20:00 <lfm> check in buid-unix.txt
414 2011-04-14 05:20:09 <lfm> build-unix.txt
415 2011-04-14 05:20:11 <eternal1> but, so only mining is the only way of generation bitcoins
416 2011-04-14 05:20:13 <Necr0s> On some LANs, attempting to get the hostname for the local IP results in an immediate "host/server not found", and the process proceeds. but on others the request gets blackholed, and the whole process blocks waiting on that operation.
417 2011-04-14 05:20:28 <eternal1> can i generate bitcoins processing the txns ?
418 2011-04-14 05:20:29 <lfm> eternal1: um yes
419 2011-04-14 05:20:35 <witten> lfm: good point.. looks like I have the right version
420 2011-04-14 05:20:36 <Necr0s> (and on some other lans like mine, the request results in getting the proper hostname back.)
421 2011-04-14 05:21:11 <lfm> eternal1: um yes only miners add new blocks to the block chain and thats the only way your txn are confirmed
422 2011-04-14 05:21:38 <Necr0s> Only mining can generate new bitcoins, yes.
423 2011-04-14 05:21:39 robotarmy has joined
424 2011-04-14 05:21:48 <Necr0s> There is no other way to add BTC to the "system".
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426 2011-04-14 05:23:23 <eternal1> thx so much
427 2011-04-14 05:23:57 <luke-jr> jgarzik: don't suppose you can save the faucet?
428 2011-04-14 05:23:59 <luke-jr> jgarzik: it's leaky
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430 2011-04-14 05:24:13 <jgarzik> luke-jr: ?
431 2011-04-14 05:25:05 <luke-jr> jgarzik: someone's stealing all its nickels
432 2011-04-14 05:25:39 <Blitzboom> how do you know itâs not normal people?
433 2011-04-14 05:25:45 <lfm> looks like the faucet changed to using google capchas
434 2011-04-14 05:25:56 <luke-jr> Blitzboom: it's pretty obvious from watching it
435 2011-04-14 05:26:09 <Blitzboom> details? i havenât
436 2011-04-14 05:26:34 <Blitzboom> maybe gavin should put a graph up
437 2011-04-14 05:27:15 <luke-jr> http://www.bitcoinmonitor.com/
438 2011-04-14 05:27:23 <jgarzik> giving away money is not a sustainable operation
439 2011-04-14 05:27:31 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * red910de74fff supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/OTCWebsite/viewratingdetail.php: OTCWebsite: case insensitive nick matching for ratingdetail http://tinyurl.com/6e6bs5c
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449 2011-04-14 05:35:34 <Compgenius> hey guys, how would I limit the amount of connections bitcoin makes?
450 2011-04-14 05:35:47 <[Tycho]> Why would you want that ?
451 2011-04-14 05:35:49 <Compgenius> at the moment it's making 48 connections and it's increasing by the minute
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453 2011-04-14 05:36:35 <Compgenius> [Tycho], because it appears to be slowing my bitcoin down
454 2011-04-14 05:37:28 <[Tycho]> No, it doesn't.
455 2011-04-14 05:37:38 <[Tycho]> It's your first time ?
456 2011-04-14 05:37:54 <witten> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/156
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458 2011-04-14 05:38:05 <Compgenius> yeah, but with 10-15 connections the blocks are coming in quite fast, with 50+ they're coming in 1 per 30 seconds
459 2011-04-14 05:38:15 <Compgenius> i still haven't completed the block tree after nearly an hour
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461 2011-04-14 05:38:53 <[Tycho]> You should wait for all the blocks. It's needed only in the first time.
462 2011-04-14 05:41:33 <lfm> Compgenius: ya too many connections can overload your system
463 2011-04-14 05:42:20 <lfm> I think you can try command line option -maxconnects=30 or something
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465 2011-04-14 05:44:43 <gjs278> I can't even compile the upnp crap
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467 2011-04-14 05:44:53 <gjs278> it refuses to detect the library
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470 2011-04-14 05:45:17 <luke-jr> otg!~luke-jr@ishibashi.dashjr.org|gjs278, sure its installed?
471 2011-04-14 05:45:21 <lfm> lib miniupnp?
472 2011-04-14 05:45:28 <gjs278> yes
473 2011-04-14 05:45:42 <luke-jr> otg!~luke-jr@ishibashi.dashjr.org|and devel pkg?
474 2011-04-14 05:46:15 <gjs278> http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/9030/screenshotnej.png
475 2011-04-14 05:46:23 <gjs278> it claims it has the client library
476 2011-04-14 05:46:54 <luke-jr> otg!~luke-jr@ishibashi.dashjr.org|did you edit makefile.unix?
477 2011-04-14 05:46:54 <gjs278> and it's under net-libs... so that would be it
478 2011-04-14 05:46:58 <gjs278> what do I have to edit
479 2011-04-14 05:47:10 <luke-jr> otg!~luke-jr@ishibashi.dashjr.org|replace static w dynamic
480 2011-04-14 05:48:16 <gjs278> that did it
481 2011-04-14 05:48:20 <gjs278> forgot to reapply that one
482 2011-04-14 05:48:28 <gjs278> although when I did make all
483 2011-04-14 05:48:31 <gjs278> all I got was bitcoin
484 2011-04-14 05:48:48 <luke-jr> otg!~luke-jr@ishibashi.dashjr.org|gjs278, updating the ebuild?
485 2011-04-14 05:49:01 <gjs278> I'm doing it fromtheir git source
486 2011-04-14 05:49:10 <gjs278> but seriously why drop bitcoind from "all"
487 2011-04-14 05:49:29 <gjs278> all: bitcoin is the line it has now
488 2011-04-14 05:49:29 <luke-jr> otg!~luke-jr@ishibashi.dashjr.org|there's a bitcoin git ebuild
489 2011-04-14 05:49:44 <gjs278> yeah I know but I work in this thing to test different stuff
490 2011-04-14 05:49:51 lulzplzkthx has joined
491 2011-04-14 05:51:09 <gjs278> I cross compile the windows builds too, otherwise I'd work in the gentoo bare git repo that they place in distfiles
492 2011-04-14 05:52:12 <gjs278> # ./bitcoind -server... and it hangs
493 2011-04-14 05:52:20 Radsr has joined
494 2011-04-14 05:52:48 <lfm> -server would be redundant on bitcoind
495 2011-04-14 05:53:00 <gjs278> I'll try it without it
496 2011-04-14 05:53:10 <Radsr> What is love
497 2011-04-14 05:53:11 <Radsr> Oh baby, don't hurt me
498 2011-04-14 05:53:13 <Radsr> Don't hurt me no more
499 2011-04-14 05:53:15 <Radsr> Oh, baby don't hurt me
500 2011-04-14 05:53:15 <gjs278> still redundant, still hangs
501 2011-04-14 05:53:17 <Radsr> Don't hurt me no more
502 2011-04-14 05:53:20 <Radsr> What is love
503 2011-04-14 05:53:22 <Radsr> Yeah
504 2011-04-14 05:53:24 <gjs278> whoever made this hang will pay the ultimate price
505 2011-04-14 05:53:25 <Radsr> Oh, I don't know why you're not there
506 2011-04-14 05:53:26 <Radsr> I give you my love, but you don't care
507 2011-04-14 05:53:28 <Radsr> So what is right and what is wrong
508 2011-04-14 05:53:30 <Radsr> Gimme a sign
509 2011-04-14 05:53:33 <luke-jr> otg!~luke-jr@ishibashi.dashjr.org|stfu
510 2011-04-14 05:53:33 <Radsr> What is love
511 2011-04-14 05:53:35 <Radsr> Oh baby, don't hurt me
512 2011-04-14 05:53:37 <Radsr> Don't hurt me no more
513 2011-04-14 05:53:38 <Radsr> What is love
514 2011-04-14 05:53:40 <Radsr> Oh baby, don't hurt me
515 2011-04-14 05:53:42 <Radsr> Don't hurt me no more
516 2011-04-14 05:53:45 <Radsr> Whoa whoa whoa, oooh oooh
517 2011-04-14 05:53:47 <Radsr> Whoa whoa whoa, oooh oooh
518 2011-04-14 05:53:50 <Radsr> Oh, I don't know, what can I do
519 2011-04-14 05:53:52 <Radsr> What else can I say, it's up to you
520 2011-04-14 05:53:53 <luke-jr> otg!~luke-jr@ishibashi.dashjr.org|jgarzik,
521 2011-04-14 05:53:54 <Radsr> I know we're one, just me and you
522 2011-04-14 05:53:55 <Radsr> I can't go on
523 2011-04-14 05:53:57 <gjs278> luke-jr|otg is this hanging of bitcoind intentional
524 2011-04-14 05:53:59 <Radsr> What is love
525 2011-04-14 05:54:00 <Radsr> Oh baby, don't hurt me
526 2011-04-14 05:54:01 <lfm> /ignore radsr all
527 2011-04-14 05:54:02 <Radsr> Don't hurt me no more
528 2011-04-14 05:54:03 <[Tycho]> Ignore is so useful...
529 2011-04-14 05:54:04 <Radsr> What is love
530 2011-04-14 05:54:06 <Radsr> Oh baby, don't hurt me
531 2011-04-14 05:54:07 <Radsr> Don't hurt me no more
532 2011-04-14 05:54:09 <gjs278> am I supposed to daemon is not or something
533 2011-04-14 05:54:11 <Radsr> Whoa whoa whoa, oooh oooh
534 2011-04-14 05:54:12 <Radsr> Whoa whoa whoa, oooh oooh
535 2011-04-14 05:54:12 <gjs278> it now*
536 2011-04-14 05:54:16 <Radsr> What is love, oooh, oooh, oooh
537 2011-04-14 05:54:18 <Radsr> What is love, oooh, oooh, oooh
538 2011-04-14 05:54:20 <luke-jr> otg!~luke-jr@ishibashi.dashjr.org|gjs278, or -daemon
539 2011-04-14 05:54:21 <Radsr> What is love
540 2011-04-14 05:54:23 <Radsr> Oh baby, don't hurt me
541 2011-04-14 05:54:24 <Radsr> Don't hurt me no more
542 2011-04-14 05:54:28 <Radsr> Don't hurt me
543 2011-04-14 05:54:29 <Radsr> Don't hurt me
544 2011-04-14 05:54:33 <Radsr> I want no other, no other lover
545 2011-04-14 05:54:34 <Radsr> This is your life, our time
546 2011-04-14 05:54:36 <Radsr> When we are together, I need you forever
547 2011-04-14 05:54:38 <Radsr> Is it love
548 2011-04-14 05:54:39 <gjs278> why not just daemon by default
549 2011-04-14 05:54:41 <Radsr> What is love
550 2011-04-14 05:54:43 <Radsr> Oh baby, don't hurt me
551 2011-04-14 05:54:44 <luke-jr> otg!~luke-jr@ishibashi.dashjr.org|jgarzik, he's abusing the SATA code :p
552 2011-04-14 05:54:45 <Radsr> Don't hurt me no more
553 2011-04-14 05:54:46 <Radsr> What is love
554 2011-04-14 05:54:47 <gjs278> who were these people asking for it to hang like that
555 2011-04-14 05:54:48 <Radsr> Oh baby, don't hurt me
556 2011-04-14 05:54:49 Radsr is now known as FSDFsdf
557 2011-04-14 05:54:50 <FSDFsdf> Don't hurt me no more (oooh, oooh)
558 2011-04-14 05:54:52 TD_ has joined
559 2011-04-14 05:54:53 <FSDFsdf> What is love
560 2011-04-14 05:54:55 <FSDFsdf> Oh baby, don't hurt me
561 2011-04-14 05:54:57 <FSDFsdf> Don't hurt me no more
562 2011-04-14 05:54:58 <FSDFsdf> What is love
563 2011-04-14 05:55:00 <FSDFsdf> Oh baby, don't hurt me
564 2011-04-14 05:55:02 <FSDFsdf> Don't hurt me no more (oooh, oooh)
565 2011-04-14 05:55:05 <FSDFsdf> What is love?
566 2011-04-14 05:55:21 <FSDFsdf> What is love
567 2011-04-14 05:55:22 cenuij has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
568 2011-04-14 05:55:23 <FSDFsdf> Oh baby, don't hurt me
569 2011-04-14 05:55:24 <FSDFsdf> Don't hurt me no more
570 2011-04-14 05:55:26 <FSDFsdf> Oh, baby don't hurt me
571 2011-04-14 05:55:28 <FSDFsdf> Don't hurt me no more
572 2011-04-14 05:55:28 FSDFsdf is now known as FSDFsdf2
573 2011-04-14 05:55:30 <[Tycho]> lfm, not by nickname :)
574 2011-04-14 05:55:31 <FSDFsdf2> What is love
575 2011-04-14 05:55:33 <FSDFsdf2> Yeah
576 2011-04-14 05:55:36 <FSDFsdf2> Oh, I don't know why you're not there
577 2011-04-14 05:55:38 <FSDFsdf2> I give you my love, but you don't care
578 2011-04-14 05:55:40 <FSDFsdf2> So what is right and what is wrong
579 2011-04-14 05:55:41 <gjs278> this is wasting write cycles
580 2011-04-14 05:55:41 <FSDFsdf2> Gimme a sign
581 2011-04-14 05:55:43 <gjs278> so badly
582 2011-04-14 05:55:45 <FSDFsdf2> What is love
583 2011-04-14 05:55:46 <FSDFsdf2> Oh baby, don't hurt me
584 2011-04-14 05:55:48 <FSDFsdf2> Don't hurt me no more
585 2011-04-14 05:55:48 <luke-jr> otg!~luke-jr@ishibashi.dashjr.org|FSDFsdf2, night retard
586 2011-04-14 05:55:50 <FSDFsdf2> What is love
587 2011-04-14 05:55:52 <FSDFsdf2> Oh baby, don't hurt me
588 2011-04-14 05:55:53 cenuij has joined
589 2011-04-14 05:55:53 cenuij has quit (Changing host)
590 2011-04-14 05:55:53 cenuij has joined
591 2011-04-14 05:55:53 <gjs278> FSDFsdf2
592 2011-04-14 05:55:53 <FSDFsdf2> Don't hurt me no more
593 2011-04-14 05:55:56 <gjs278> you owe me
594 2011-04-14 05:55:56 <forrestv> fahadsadah, gribble, nameless|, nathan7, please wake up.
595 2011-04-14 05:55:57 <FSDFsdf2> Whoa whoa whoa, oooh oooh
596 2011-04-14 05:55:58 <FSDFsdf2> Whoa whoa whoa, oooh oooh
597 2011-04-14 05:55:59 <gjs278> .000001% of my ssd
598 2011-04-14 05:56:00 <gjs278> back
599 2011-04-14 05:56:02 <FSDFsdf2> Oh, I don't know, what can I do
600 2011-04-14 05:56:03 FSDFsdf2 is now known as FSDFsdf3
601 2011-04-14 05:56:03 <FSDFsdf3> What else can I say, it's up to you
602 2011-04-14 05:56:05 <FSDFsdf3> I know we're one, just me and you
603 2011-04-14 05:56:07 * nameless !~root@weowntheinter.net|is awake
604 2011-04-14 05:56:07 <FSDFsdf3> I can't go on
605 2011-04-14 05:56:10 <gjs278> lies
606 2011-04-14 05:56:10 <FSDFsdf3> What is love
607 2011-04-14 05:56:12 <Compgenius> gjs278, lern2 /ignore
608 2011-04-14 05:56:12 <FSDFsdf3> Oh baby, don't hurt me
609 2011-04-14 05:56:13 <Compgenius> >_>
610 2011-04-14 05:56:14 <FSDFsdf3> Don't hurt me no more
611 2011-04-14 05:56:15 <FSDFsdf3> What is love
612 2011-04-14 05:56:17 <gjs278> no
613 2011-04-14 05:56:17 <FSDFsdf3> Oh baby, don't hurt me
614 2011-04-14 05:56:19 <FSDFsdf3> Don't hurt me no more
615 2011-04-14 05:56:20 <gjs278> I shouldnt have to
616 2011-04-14 05:56:20 <witten> gjs278: stop logging irc.. problem solved
617 2011-04-14 05:56:24 <gjs278> never
618 2011-04-14 05:56:29 <Compgenius> finally he's gone
619 2011-04-14 05:56:30 <gjs278> important stuff is said here
620 2011-04-14 05:56:36 <lulzplzkthx> lol
621 2011-04-14 05:56:47 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|Sorry guys, I'm sleepy and didn'st see the spam
622 2011-04-14 05:56:50 <lfm> ty nameless|
623 2011-04-14 05:56:53 <forrestv> hehe
624 2011-04-14 05:57:02 <forrestv> i was right!
625 2011-04-14 05:57:03 <forrestv> q:
626 2011-04-14 05:57:36 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Daniel Folkinshteyn * rf309a1f4c59c supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/OTCWebsite/viewratings.php: OTCWebsite: fix ratings table sorting http://tinyurl.com/3d9a8rc
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628 2011-04-14 06:00:19 <JFK911> hey i like that song.
629 2011-04-14 06:00:21 <JFK911> what is love
630 2011-04-14 06:00:24 <JFK911> derp derp
631 2011-04-14 06:00:33 <gjs278> he found ytmnd yesterday
632 2011-04-14 06:00:47 <JFK911> he'll be busy for a while.
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637 2011-04-14 06:07:31 <sacarlson> ok how do I see a transaction that started with bitcoind? I tried this bitcoind -testnet listreceivedbyaccount and bitcoind -testnet listreceivedbyaddress
638 2011-04-14 06:07:31 <sacarlson> after I had trigered the faucet to send me stuf but I see nothing and balance not changeing
639 2011-04-14 06:07:58 <lfm> so wait
640 2011-04-14 06:08:11 <sacarlson> lfm: I already eat my breakfast with no change
641 2011-04-14 06:08:33 <lfm> ok look in http://blockexplorer.com/testnet
642 2011-04-14 06:08:44 <sacarlson> lfm ok thanks
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645 2011-04-14 06:12:19 <sacarlson> lfm: I don't seem to see any transactions to n4RBbp1jjEMmztPGBp8HN7BRAQ9bphzHGM on that testnet page
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647 2011-04-14 06:12:42 <nathan7> forrestv: Hrm?
648 2011-04-14 06:13:00 <nathan7> forrestv: oh
649 2011-04-14 06:13:02 <nathan7> DAMNIT
650 2011-04-14 06:13:19 <nathan7> now I missed out on an opportunity to finally use my superpowers
651 2011-04-14 06:13:24 <lfm> ta, the block explorer is a few hours old
652 2011-04-14 06:13:51 <lfm> oh testnet is days old
653 2011-04-14 06:14:05 <sacarlson> lfm: oh ok and I got my address with this bitcoind -testnet getnewaddress that is the correct way is it not?
654 2011-04-14 06:14:23 <lfm> should work
655 2011-04-14 06:14:48 <sacarlson> lfm: ok so maybe problem not on my side yet
656 2011-04-14 06:16:12 <lfm> sacarlson: why does your add start with n instead of m?
657 2011-04-14 06:16:19 <sacarlson> I also have it working to -gen bitcoin with dificulty of 1.0 it might not take long will it?
658 2011-04-14 06:16:36 <sacarlson> lfm: I don't know
659 2011-04-14 06:16:54 <lfm> is it a private net or the public testnet?
660 2011-04-14 06:17:00 <sacarlson> lfm: I just cut and paisted it, should I try get anther address?
661 2011-04-14 06:17:20 <lfm> nm I was confused
662 2011-04-14 06:17:35 <sacarlson> lfm: I'm just using the build that was on ubuntu ppa
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664 2011-04-14 06:18:40 <lfm> I see a testnet txn to mPuEJkvkvCvXDmueUF9uYBy6JQYtyi2HUv
665 2011-04-14 06:19:17 <sacarlson> lfm: I could try my compiled git version but I wanted to try this first to get an understanding how the bitcoind worked
666 2011-04-14 06:20:01 <lfm> TESTBlock #13459 2011-04-14 05:46:17
667 2011-04-14 06:20:27 <sacarlson> lfm: I asume that's not me
668 2011-04-14 06:20:36 <lfm> for 500 btc
669 2011-04-14 06:21:21 <sacarlson> lfm: that's what the faucet said it was going to give me 500 btc
670 2011-04-14 06:21:28 <lfm> my addresses are using the wrong prefix m instead of n
671 2011-04-14 06:22:17 <sacarlson> lfm: should I change my prefix?
672 2011-04-14 06:22:35 <lfm> Im not sure
673 2011-04-14 06:22:53 <sacarlson> lfm: I'll try the git version I compiled about 2 days ago
674 2011-04-14 06:23:21 <Diablo-D3> HOLY SHIT
675 2011-04-14 06:23:26 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin forums now send email!
676 2011-04-14 06:23:54 <sacarlson> lfm: my secound address without changing versions came out mzTHzy912f5MuWNeBMavsKdDNXiGpinuGw
677 2011-04-14 06:24:38 <lfm> ok I'm not sure why some might be m and some n
678 2011-04-14 06:25:22 <sacarlson> lfm: I just used that address on faucet to see if that makes it work
679 2011-04-14 06:26:10 <lfm> the faucet let you try again?
680 2011-04-14 06:27:01 <sacarlson> lfm: I guess so for -testnet I guess it don't care
681 2011-04-14 06:27:13 <sacarlson> but I still see nothing in bitcoind -testnet listreceivedbyaccount
682 2011-04-14 06:27:41 <sacarlson> will that show even before the transaction is confirmed?
683 2011-04-14 06:29:27 <lfm> add -confirm=0 or something to the command?
684 2011-04-14 06:29:48 <lfm> minconf=0
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686 2011-04-14 06:33:09 <yebyen> so, is there a person responsible for this pretty graph that has the price peaking early at about 3:00am every day online?
687 2011-04-14 06:33:33 <yebyen> since, if you do it again, you're about to buy half my bitcoins, i think I'll say hi
688 2011-04-14 06:33:57 <yebyen> HEH
689 2011-04-14 06:34:28 <yebyen> maybe i'm imagining this trend
690 2011-04-14 06:34:32 <yebyen> or it's something biological
691 2011-04-14 06:34:42 <yebyen> and its not one person
692 2011-04-14 06:34:52 <lfm> someone buying daily on a scedule?
693 2011-04-14 06:35:12 <yebyen> hum
694 2011-04-14 06:35:13 <lfm> you would think time zones would spread it out
695 2011-04-14 06:35:35 <lfm> if it was many people
696 2011-04-14 06:35:36 <yebyen> well, someone raising their bid daily at 3am
697 2011-04-14 06:35:47 <lfm> good spot
698 2011-04-14 06:35:54 <yebyen> at least it looks that way from the 48 hour graph
699 2011-04-14 06:36:00 <yebyen> and i seem to remember it looking the same yesterday
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701 2011-04-14 06:37:12 <sacarlson> lfm: the -confirm=0 did give any error but still no transaction seen
702 2011-04-14 06:38:44 <sacarlson> lfm: maybe the faucet doen't have any bitcoin in testnet to give away?
703 2011-04-14 06:38:48 <lfm> sacarlson: try minconf=0
704 2011-04-14 06:39:02 <sacarlson> lfm: I did same no error but no transcation seen
705 2011-04-14 06:39:11 <lfm> sacarlson: naw, its bulgeing
706 2011-04-14 06:40:15 <sacarlson> ifm: well maybe with 14 people in the net it's slower?
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714 2011-04-14 07:13:13 <Diablo-D3> hrm
715 2011-04-14 07:13:17 <Diablo-D3> this is interesting
716 2011-04-14 07:13:55 <Diablo-D3> I seem to get less cpu usage if I dont recycle buffers
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724 2011-04-14 07:31:21 <gjs278> dude... don't let buffers go to waste just to save cpu
725 2011-04-14 07:31:32 <gjs278> one day we'll run out
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728 2011-04-14 07:45:03 <sacarlson> still nothing from the faucet on -testnet anyone have any extra testnet bitcoin I can use? my address: mzTHzy912f5MuWNeBMavsKdDNXiGpinuGw
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730 2011-04-14 07:45:45 <roconnor> So if I solve a 50 bitcoin block and I want to spend 1 bitcoin, I have to spend 1 bitcoin of that block to whoever and spend the remaining 49 bitcoins back to myself, right?
731 2011-04-14 07:46:02 <roconnor> sacarlson: I'll send you one
732 2011-04-14 07:46:18 <sacarlson> roconnor: thanks
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734 2011-04-14 07:46:38 <sacarlson> roconnor: testnet not real coin right
735 2011-04-14 07:46:43 <roconnor> right
736 2011-04-14 07:46:47 <roconnor> I have no real coins :P
737 2011-04-14 07:47:00 <sacarlson> roconnor: ok cool
738 2011-04-14 07:47:25 <roconnor> sent
739 2011-04-14 07:48:33 <sacarlson> roconnor: ok now I can tell if the problem might be on my side, so far I see nothing with bitcoind -testnet -confirm=0 -minconf=0 listreceivedbyaccount
740 2011-04-14 07:49:06 <roconnor> I have no idea how long these things take to traverse the network
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742 2011-04-14 07:50:13 <sacarlson> roconnor: well this is the first time I ever used bitcoind instead of bitcoin gui so I'm not even sure I am using it correctly maybe I should try the gui in testnet mode
743 2011-04-14 07:50:50 <roconnor> sacarlson: heh, and this seems to have answered my question too :D
744 2011-04-14 07:51:06 <sacarlson> roconnor: what's that?
745 2011-04-14 07:51:17 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: hurrr
746 2011-04-14 07:51:43 <roconnor> sacarlson: that to split a coin you have to spend to the person you want and spend the remainder back to yourself.
747 2011-04-14 07:51:50 <gjs278> mystery money should go ruin testnet
748 2011-04-14 07:51:53 <gjs278> miner*
749 2011-04-14 07:52:38 <sacarlson> roconnor: oh IC, I was wondering what that tranaction on http://www.bitcoinmonitor.com/ was telling me
750 2011-04-14 07:53:18 <Insti> roconnor : yes
751 2011-04-14 07:53:34 <Insti> you always totally spend every input
752 2011-04-14 07:54:15 <sacarlson> do they have a graph like that for testnet http://www.bitcoinmonitor.com/ << like that?
753 2011-04-14 07:59:30 <roconnor> http://blockexplorer.com/testnet seems to be about 100 blocks behind what I have
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755 2011-04-14 08:03:35 <sacarlson> roconnor: I'm not running the bitcoin gui -testnet and I see I might have created some blocks is that posible? but it seems I can't spend them until block 120 later
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757 2011-04-14 08:03:53 <sacarlson> i'm now running bitcoin gui
758 2011-04-14 08:03:58 <roconnor> sacarlson: there is some limit like that.
759 2011-04-14 08:05:22 <[Noodles]> that is correct
760 2011-04-14 08:05:31 <[Noodles]> not only on testnet
761 2011-04-14 08:05:49 <[Noodles]> you always have to wait 120blocks for coins to "mature"
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763 2011-04-14 08:06:42 <sacarlson> also seems I'm not seeing the transaction from roconnor yet on testnet I'll give it more time
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768 2011-04-14 08:12:02 <Keefe> anyone know a substitute for this now-dead page?: http://nullvoid.org/bitcoin/difficultiez.php
769 2011-04-14 08:14:28 <gjs278> I don't know why anyone would let a page that well linked die
770 2011-04-14 08:14:40 <gjs278> at the very least fill it with ads if you don't feel like hosting it anymore
771 2011-04-14 08:17:27 <BlueMatt> ha
772 2011-04-14 08:17:50 <BlueMatt> god people keep advertising their btc address on the bitcoin wikipedia page its getting really anoying
773 2011-04-14 08:18:07 <gjs278> DONATE PLSSS
774 2011-04-14 08:18:11 <mtrlt> they want all the monies from themselves :(
775 2011-04-14 08:18:13 <mtrlt> for*
776 2011-04-14 08:21:18 <Necr0s> hah
777 2011-04-14 08:21:37 RazielZ has joined
778 2011-04-14 08:22:59 <mahadri> someone's draining the bitcoin faucet at ~6 BTC/hour
779 2011-04-14 08:24:10 <jeremias> lol
780 2011-04-14 08:24:18 <Necr0s> someone has no life.
781 2011-04-14 08:24:34 <sacarlson> I see I'm running "version" : 31900, on testnet is that the number now that should work?
782 2011-04-14 08:24:45 <Necr0s> that's a captcha every 30 seconds.
783 2011-04-14 08:25:15 <jeremias> how much are the indian workers paid for solving captcha
784 2011-04-14 08:25:22 <mahadri> plus a new Google account every 30 seconds
785 2011-04-14 08:25:40 <sacarlson> Necr0s: they would also need to create a google acount ever 30 secounds I think
786 2011-04-14 08:25:45 <Necr0s> Ya know, I imagined that somewhere there is a room full of ppl who sit there all day and do nothing but solve captchas.
787 2011-04-14 08:25:59 <Necr0s> Many rooms maybe.
788 2011-04-14 08:26:19 <Necr0s> That could be the setting for an oddball movie.
789 2011-04-14 08:26:19 <jeremias> yes there is
790 2011-04-14 08:26:26 <BlueMatt> I wonder if there is a service for botnets where people can pay to get a ton of captchas solved
791 2011-04-14 08:26:29 <roconnor> Necr0s: do they do that in India
792 2011-04-14 08:26:31 <jeremias> chinese & indian people do that kind of work full time
793 2011-04-14 08:26:34 <roconnor> they are paid to do this
794 2011-04-14 08:26:41 <Necr0s> heh
795 2011-04-14 08:26:43 <jeremias> there was AMA in reddit once
796 2011-04-14 08:26:56 <sacarlson> Necr0s: that's alot of money to some poor indian so I guess they are motivated
797 2011-04-14 08:26:59 <Necr0s> Man, imagine that hellishness of having that job.
798 2011-04-14 08:27:38 <Necr0s> Probably for the equiv of less than min-wage here.
799 2011-04-14 08:27:42 <BlueMatt> god kill me now
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801 2011-04-14 08:28:15 <Necr0s> Metrics on your station to track how many you solve precisely, and the error rate.
802 2011-04-14 08:28:45 <Necr0s> Definite "psych breakdown" movie material.
803 2011-04-14 08:29:00 flok has joined
804 2011-04-14 08:32:22 <Necr0s> I wonder if any of these captcha solving services accept BTC payment...
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806 2011-04-14 08:33:07 <gjs278> considering they're all in india, they probably dont feel like screwing around with that
807 2011-04-14 08:33:20 <BlueMatt> lol "They are so terrible, I should support them and buy their service"
808 2011-04-14 08:33:24 <xelister> gjs278: u racist?
809 2011-04-14 08:33:31 <gjs278> dude
810 2011-04-14 08:33:34 <gjs278> every captcha service
811 2011-04-14 08:33:36 <gjs278> is in india
812 2011-04-14 08:33:43 <gjs278> especially the ones on mechanical turk
813 2011-04-14 08:34:01 <gjs278> okay and the phillipines
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815 2011-04-14 08:35:59 <jeremias> mechanichal turk using bitcoins would be neat idea
816 2011-04-14 08:36:18 <sacarlson> I note something on my git compiled version is different from my ubuntu ppa in testnet shows "version" : 32100, will that still work with "version" : 31900, ?
817 2011-04-14 08:36:24 <jeremias> the problem with mturk is that you can't use it outside US
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820 2011-04-14 08:37:21 <Blitzboom> right ⦠bitcoin could solve that
821 2011-04-14 08:37:33 <Blitzboom> chinese and indians working for westerners
822 2011-04-14 08:37:45 <jaromil> mechanical turk is crowdslavery, bitcoin should also offer a fair change to their currencies
823 2011-04-14 08:37:47 <Blitzboom> and earning good money
824 2011-04-14 08:37:51 <thermal> Hu urges reform of int'l financial systems - http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2011-04/14/content_12326363.htm
825 2011-04-14 08:38:06 <jaromil> this would make it take over bcoz ppl then would start using it as a fair currency
826 2011-04-14 08:39:12 <jaromil> in the worst case bitcoin can create competition with other currencies and the whole trade would get better
827 2011-04-14 08:39:20 <jaromil> in fact, bitcoin is already a competitor of mturk
828 2011-04-14 08:39:31 <jaromil> and it feels better than mturk
829 2011-04-14 08:40:04 <roconnor> sacarlson: no, the testnet was reset in version 32000.
830 2011-04-14 08:40:14 <roconnor> sacarlson: at least that is my understanding
831 2011-04-14 08:40:41 <sacarlson> roconnor: ok so now it should work with my git version then?
832 2011-04-14 08:40:55 <roconnor> git or the latest stable release
833 2011-04-14 08:41:17 <sacarlson> roconnor: ok I should have tried this sooner
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837 2011-04-14 08:44:52 <thermal> what is the majority of mturk used for?
838 2011-04-14 08:45:21 <sacarlson> should I reset my .bitcoin wallet.dat file since I was running the wrong version when I created it in testnet ?
839 2011-04-14 08:46:00 <sacarlson> roconnor: what version are you running?
840 2011-04-14 08:46:31 <roconnor> 0.3.20.2 BETA
841 2011-04-14 08:47:22 <BlueMatt> sacarlson: no, just the .bitcoin blk*
842 2011-04-14 08:47:23 <BlueMatt> files
843 2011-04-14 08:47:42 <BlueMatt> unless you have a ton of coins, which are now invalid
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845 2011-04-14 08:48:12 <sacarlson> roconnor: oh that's different from my git at "version" : 32100, so will that still work then. BlueMatt .bitcoin blk* ? let me take a look
846 2011-04-14 08:48:52 <BlueMatt> sacarlson: specifically .bitcoin/testnet/blk* there should be 2 or three of them
847 2011-04-14 08:49:12 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: yes I see them
848 2011-04-14 08:49:45 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: so I should shutdown bitcoind -testnet stop and delete them ?
849 2011-04-14 08:50:20 <BlueMatt> sacarlson: yes, if you want to upgrade to 0.3.20.X from 0.3.19, you should shut it down and delete the blk* files in .bitcoin/testnet
850 2011-04-14 08:50:46 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: ok will do thanks
851 2011-04-14 08:51:12 <BlueMatt> and if you have coins, its probably best to delete the wallet as well
852 2011-04-14 08:51:17 <BlueMatt> if you dont, you should be able to just leave it
853 2011-04-14 08:51:39 <roconnor> sacarlson: you won't get my bitcoin if you delete you wallet :P
854 2011-04-14 08:51:46 <roconnor> not that it matters *l*
855 2011-04-14 08:52:17 <BlueMatt> oh, if he already sent you testnetcoins on the 0.3.20 testnet, then keep your wallet
856 2011-04-14 08:52:29 <sacarlson> roconnor: I kept the wallet and just deleted the blk* files in testnet
857 2011-04-14 08:53:04 <CIA-89> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * r2a4d101 / (4 files in 2 dirs): Create new buffers on every kernel execution, seems to increase speed - http://bit.ly/gsBTXU
858 2011-04-14 08:53:14 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: but I'm running 0.3.21 will I still get his 0.3.20 coins?
859 2011-04-14 08:53:33 <BlueMatt> yea
860 2011-04-14 08:53:40 <BlueMatt> testnet only got reset on 0.3.20
861 2011-04-14 08:53:47 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: ok
862 2011-04-14 09:04:13 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: the issue with http-version is "ui.cpp:1817: warning: cannot pass objects of non-POD type âstruct std::stringâ through â...â; call will abort at runtime"
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864 2011-04-14 09:08:17 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: adding a ".c_str()" after FormatFullVersion() in ui.cpp:1817 fixes the issue and makes it work properly
865 2011-04-14 09:13:52 <xelister> * xelister beats up smoser with a metall gauntlet
866 2011-04-14 09:13:54 <xelister> soren sets a ban on *!*xe@unaffiliated/xelister.
867 2011-04-14 09:13:55 <xelister> lol >_>
868 2011-04-14 09:14:04 <xelister> Im so pissed of by shitty software today,.
869 2011-04-14 09:14:46 <gjs278> BlueMatt I hate seeing that warning so much
870 2011-04-14 09:15:25 <gjs278> the makefile should turn on -werror where it fails to compile on warnings. then we can be as bulletproof as nginx
871 2011-04-14 09:15:56 <gjs278> the entire thing and every module compiles with no warnings
872 2011-04-14 09:16:10 <BlueMatt> gjs278: if you ignore that warning, the client crashes when you try to open the about dialog
873 2011-04-14 09:16:19 <gjs278> hilarious
874 2011-04-14 09:16:57 <gjs278> even a better reason to turn on -werror
875 2011-04-14 09:18:09 <gjs278> go the whole way and turn on -Wall too if it's not already on
876 2011-04-14 09:18:15 <gjs278> get these unused variables out of here
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879 2011-04-14 09:35:26 <sacarlson> ok now I got my first deposit from faucet of 500 bitcoin on testnet so I guess it was a version problem before
880 2011-04-14 09:35:44 <roconnor> :)
881 2011-04-14 09:36:14 <sacarlson> roconnor: but I still don't see the deposit from you but maybe just slow?
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883 2011-04-14 09:36:56 <roconnor> I have 0 confirmations so far
884 2011-04-14 09:37:12 <roconnor> Does there need to be 1 confirmation for you to see it?
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886 2011-04-14 09:40:30 <sacarlson> roconnor: I guess so, I would think I would have to confirm it first
887 2011-04-14 09:40:55 <roconnor> I theory my transaction is floating around the network
888 2011-04-14 09:40:59 <roconnor> *In theory
889 2011-04-14 09:41:08 <TD> testnet is very slow at confirming
890 2011-04-14 09:41:27 <sacarlson> td: ok so with more users it's faster?
891 2011-04-14 09:41:32 <roconnor> so your client in principle should eventually see it, even with no confirmations
892 2011-04-14 09:41:52 <roconnor> TD: it doesn't help that the main miner on the testnet isn't confirming anything :D
893 2011-04-14 09:41:54 <TD> it needs miners. you can use the testnet in a box and then point a gpu at your local testnet if you want to do some experiments
894 2011-04-14 09:42:25 <sacarlson> roconnor: oh maybe if we pay a fee?
895 2011-04-14 09:42:33 * [Noodles] fires up a testnet miner
896 2011-04-14 09:42:36 <roconnor> I put a fee in my latest transaction
897 2011-04-14 09:42:57 <sacarlson> well I'm in -gen mode so I guess I'm also a minner
898 2011-04-14 09:43:04 <roconnor> ... not that fee or anything is much of a motivator in testnet :D
899 2011-04-14 09:43:42 <sacarlson> roconnor: well now that I'm rich with 500 bitcoin in testnet I can aford to try fee's
900 2011-04-14 09:43:54 <[Noodles]> sacarlson: -gen at what hashrate?
901 2011-04-14 09:44:42 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: "hashespersec" : 962086,
902 2011-04-14 09:45:11 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: it was fast enuf to find one block in the last version in about 2 hours
903 2011-04-14 09:45:27 <[Noodles]> ;;bc,calcd 1000 17
904 2011-04-14 09:45:27 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 17, is 20 hours, 16 minutes, and 54 seconds
905 2011-04-14 09:45:30 <sacarlson> in testnet that is
906 2011-04-14 09:45:36 <[Noodles]> 20hours average
907 2011-04-14 09:45:58 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: I must have got lucky
908 2011-04-14 09:46:05 <roconnor> [Noodles]: oh, I though the testnet difficulty was 8.55
909 2011-04-14 09:46:27 <[Noodles]> no, you've just been on a diff1 net (or whatever the difficulty is on *old* testnet)
910 2011-04-14 09:46:41 <sacarlson> roconnor: the testnet difficulty in the priviose version I was running was 1.0
911 2011-04-14 09:46:46 <[Noodles]> on *new* testnet, it's 17.097
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913 2011-04-14 09:47:18 <sacarlson> ;;bc,calcd 1000 1
914 2011-04-14 09:47:18 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 1 hour, 11 minutes, and 34 seconds
915 2011-04-14 09:47:21 <roconnor> I must be calculating it wrong
916 2011-04-14 09:47:35 <roconnor> [Noodles]: where did you find that stat?
917 2011-04-14 09:47:44 <[Noodles]> which one?
918 2011-04-14 09:47:49 <[Noodles]> the diff17?
919 2011-04-14 09:47:51 <roconnor> the dificulty of 17
920 2011-04-14 09:47:56 <[Noodles]> getinfo
921 2011-04-14 09:48:11 <[Noodles]> it's tells you what current diff is
922 2011-04-14 09:48:24 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: which one? version last is no longer running
923 2011-04-14 09:48:39 <[Noodles]> version last?
924 2011-04-14 09:48:46 <[Noodles]> theres 2 testnets
925 2011-04-14 09:49:12 <BlueMatt> sacarlson: yes it is, you cant shut it down as long as there are people on it. Its just hard for those nodes to connect to each other as they use the same chan and nodefinding methods
926 2011-04-14 09:49:35 <roconnor> [Noodles]: I see. Thanks
927 2011-04-14 09:49:43 * roconnor wonders how he screwed up is calculation
928 2011-04-14 09:51:09 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: I'm not running the last version but I think it was "version" : 31900,
929 2011-04-14 09:51:26 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: that was what I got from ubuntu ppa
930 2011-04-14 09:51:27 <[Noodles]> that was using old testnet
931 2011-04-14 09:51:40 <[Noodles]> 320++ use the new testnet
932 2011-04-14 09:51:51 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: yes so that is why I guess I wasn't getting anything from faucet
933 2011-04-14 09:52:23 <sacarlson> [Noodles]: I'm now running "version" : 32100,
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935 2011-04-14 09:55:17 <roconnor> oh the testnet difficulty differs by a factor of 2 from mainnet
936 2011-04-14 09:55:24 <roconnor> how irritating
937 2011-04-14 09:56:28 <[Noodles]> yeah, that too
938 2011-04-14 09:57:15 <roconnor> I'm just going to ignore that
939 2011-04-14 09:57:15 <roconnor> for now
940 2011-04-14 09:57:17 <roconnor> :)
941 2011-04-14 09:57:23 <[Noodles]> so, it'll be 10hours average in sacarlsons case, still püretty bad for *testing* a miner
942 2011-04-14 09:59:50 <sacarlson> anyone want a testnet deposit, if no one wants it I'm sending 2 bitcoin to faucet for test
943 2011-04-14 10:00:03 <roconnor> I do
944 2011-04-14 10:00:12 <roconnor> msgP9oFyvxkTm25UDQ5YKhtQxwp5rMTWFX
945 2011-04-14 10:00:13 <sacarlson> roconnor: ok give me you address
946 2011-04-14 10:00:15 <sacarlson> ok
947 2011-04-14 10:00:47 <xelister> roconnor: I can sell you 500 TBTC ;)
948 2011-04-14 10:00:58 <roconnor> :)
949 2011-04-14 10:01:14 <roconnor> I'm more interested in the transaction than the amount
950 2011-04-14 10:01:40 <xelister> want 100 TBTC for 1 BTC?
951 2011-04-14 10:02:04 <sacarlson> roconnor: ok sent and I got this returned from bitcoind 6387f2cd94faff4c97323c4c9a4a3e0147effc25ba7d9d8593aee6c584ef9725
952 2011-04-14 10:02:36 <roconnor> sacarlson: thanks
953 2011-04-14 10:03:32 <LobsterMan> when you send a payment to yourself, does that transaction need to be acknowledged or does it even add to the block chain or change anything?
954 2011-04-14 10:04:28 <[Noodles]> if you ever want to spend them, yes
955 2011-04-14 10:04:50 <[Noodles]> the blockchain needs to know which key holds what coins
956 2011-04-14 10:05:02 <LobsterMan> i mean...
957 2011-04-14 10:05:13 <[Noodles]> it doesnt care who owns those keys, might be you or someone else
958 2011-04-14 10:05:28 <LobsterMan> i mean if i send from say address 1EpU6knUSfyTkhP9dSkgWes7zLoUNrQnHA to 1EpU6knUSfyTkhP9dSkgWes7zLoUNrQnHA
959 2011-04-14 10:05:32 <LobsterMan> so nothing actually changes hands
960 2011-04-14 10:05:40 <[Noodles]> it DOES change hands
961 2011-04-14 10:05:42 <Keefe> can you even do that?
962 2011-04-14 10:05:49 <LobsterMan> yes, it says payment to yourself in bitcoin
963 2011-04-14 10:05:50 <[Noodles]> oh, i see
964 2011-04-14 10:05:50 <LobsterMan> lol
965 2011-04-14 10:05:53 <roconnor> sacarlson: I got your two coins with 2 confirmations
966 2011-04-14 10:05:57 <roconnor> :(
967 2011-04-14 10:05:58 <[Noodles]> well, what sense does that make anyway?
968 2011-04-14 10:06:03 <roconnor> why I got no confirmations ;(
969 2011-04-14 10:06:11 <Keefe> i've sent between different addresses in the same wallet, but not same
970 2011-04-14 10:06:13 <sacarlson> roconnor: wow you got it much faster than I did
971 2011-04-14 10:06:19 <LobsterMan> Keefe try it lol
972 2011-04-14 10:06:20 <[Noodles]> if A holds 10 coins and i send 1 of those to A, it still holds 10 coins
973 2011-04-14 10:06:36 <LobsterMan> i wonder if it actually adds to the block chain or your client only locally is like "lol nothing happens...print it anyway"
974 2011-04-14 10:06:37 <[Noodles]> so, actually nothing is transfered
975 2011-04-14 10:06:54 <sacarlson> roconnor: I think yours got lost when it was sent to me
976 2011-04-14 10:07:11 <BlueMatt> well you can no longer use the previous txout to spend but have to spend with the new tx out
977 2011-04-14 10:07:20 <roconnor> sacarlson: actually I can't confirm my send to you until my self-spends are confirmed
978 2011-04-14 10:07:20 <BlueMatt> but it has to be signed with the same key
979 2011-04-14 10:07:37 <roconnor> since it is dependent on them
980 2011-04-14 10:08:05 <da2ce7> https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5818.0
981 2011-04-14 10:08:11 <da2ce7> what do you guy's think?
982 2011-04-14 10:08:12 <sacarlson> roconnor: self-spends? ok
983 2011-04-14 10:08:31 <roconnor> I was playing around before and send all my money to myself
984 2011-04-14 10:08:34 <LobsterMan> it looks like it does add it to the chain
985 2011-04-14 10:08:40 <LobsterMan> im getting confirmations on it
986 2011-04-14 10:08:44 <roconnor> so I made a big 250 bitcoin coin
987 2011-04-14 10:08:53 <LobsterMan> this may be a way someone could spam? lol
988 2011-04-14 10:08:56 <roconnor> and then broke 1 bit coint off for you
989 2011-04-14 10:09:00 <roconnor> *bitcoin
990 2011-04-14 10:09:11 <roconnor> but I have no confirmations on any of my transactions
991 2011-04-14 10:11:24 <sacarlson> roconnor: well now with my 2 coins you will again have at least some coin available to send
992 2011-04-14 10:11:34 <roconnor> :D
993 2011-04-14 10:12:08 <roconnor> I'm hoping I can confirm my own transactions in about 10 hours
994 2011-04-14 10:12:50 <sacarlson> roconnor: can't you also get more from faucet if needed?
995 2011-04-14 10:13:38 <roconnor> give away my email address to spamers ?! *l*
996 2011-04-14 10:14:12 <sacarlson> roconnor: no in testnet it didn't ask for anything but you bitcoin address
997 2011-04-14 10:14:27 <roconnor> oh
998 2011-04-14 10:14:29 <roconnor> ok
999 2011-04-14 10:14:30 <roconnor> :)
1000 2011-04-14 10:14:44 <BlueMatt> give em all back to faucet when you are done so others can test things
1001 2011-04-14 10:19:21 <roconnor> The annoying thing about poisson distributions is that in 9 hours I will still be waiting 10 hours to confirm my own transactions.
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1005 2011-04-14 10:27:26 <roconnor> yay!
1006 2011-04-14 10:27:35 <roconnor> someone confimed my transactions
1007 2011-04-14 10:27:38 <roconnor> thank you
1008 2011-04-14 10:27:57 <roconnor> sacarlson: I have now 1 confimation for my transaction to you
1009 2011-04-14 10:28:02 <da2ce7> :)
1010 2011-04-14 10:28:38 <roconnor> whoever help me was rewarded to a shiny 0.1 testnet bitcoin
1011 2011-04-14 10:29:03 <sacarlson> roconnor: yes I also confirm = 1
1012 2011-04-14 10:29:06 <da2ce7> lol :P that is so close to the value of 0
1013 2011-04-14 10:29:14 <roconnor> ;)
1014 2011-04-14 10:29:39 <[Noodles]> yay, i got some testnet-fees \o/
1015 2011-04-14 10:30:06 * da2ce7 likes real bitcoins
1016 2011-04-14 10:30:53 <gjs278> just wait, testnet will be the real bitcoin
1017 2011-04-14 10:31:09 <da2ce7> :O
1018 2011-04-14 10:31:12 <roconnor> yep
1019 2011-04-14 10:31:17 <[Noodles]> testnet will be reset
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1021 2011-04-14 10:31:21 <[Noodles]> ^_^
1022 2011-04-14 10:31:22 <roconnor> all the cool people are getting testnet bitcoins
1023 2011-04-14 10:31:39 <jrabbit> do they mix?
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1025 2011-04-14 10:31:41 * da2ce7 loads up his x2 5970 and mines that shit.
1026 2011-04-14 10:31:47 <roconnor> [Noodles]: you can't reset it, it will live on without you :D
1027 2011-04-14 10:31:47 <Blitzboom> how do you reset testnet btw?
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1030 2011-04-14 10:32:19 <[Noodles]> well, it has been reset before, or started new to be precise
1031 2011-04-14 10:32:25 <roconnor> Blitzboom: hardcode a new genesis block in the clients
1032 2011-04-14 10:32:32 <[Noodles]> it's called TESTnet for a reason
1033 2011-04-14 10:32:37 <Blitzboom> needs to be enforced by >50%, right?
1034 2011-04-14 10:32:40 <roconnor> and release new clients
1035 2011-04-14 10:32:49 <Blitzboom> but i guess noone is mining on testnet
1036 2011-04-14 10:32:56 <roconnor> Blitzboom: the new and old clients more or less won't talk to each other
1037 2011-04-14 10:33:02 <[Noodles]> yeah, but theres just ~20nodes online anyway
1038 2011-04-14 10:33:11 <[Noodles]> so not that hard to hit 50%
1039 2011-04-14 10:33:16 <Blitzboom> 20% more than i expected
1040 2011-04-14 10:33:21 <Blitzboom> 20?*
1041 2011-04-14 10:33:38 <Blitzboom> i want to see an inflatacoin
1042 2011-04-14 10:33:39 <[Noodles]> well, currently connected to 12, been at 15 before
1043 2011-04-14 10:33:46 <[Noodles]> 20 was just a wild guess
1044 2011-04-14 10:34:05 <[Noodles]> seems löike no miners except for me ^_^
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1046 2011-04-14 10:34:16 <[Noodles]> at least no *fast* ones
1047 2011-04-14 10:34:18 <Blitzboom> itâd be cool if bitcoin had a miner task force to eliminate all competitors by changing their rules
1048 2011-04-14 10:35:23 <Blitzboom> i suspect that this would happen if they feel threatened
1049 2011-04-14 10:36:50 <roconnor> how would the eliminate competitors? ...
1050 2011-04-14 10:37:08 <roconnor> driving them out of business with low rates?
1051 2011-04-14 10:37:24 <Blitzboom> run majority of hashrate with clients with mass inflation for example
1052 2011-04-14 10:38:11 <roconnor> if you run a different protocol no one else on the network will accept your blocks.
1053 2011-04-14 10:38:54 <Blitzboom> hmm, right, i havenât thought that through
1054 2011-04-14 10:39:03 <Blitzboom> iâll refer to https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Weaknesses#Attacker_has_a_lot_of_computing_power
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1058 2011-04-14 10:39:28 <Blitzboom> so you could reverse your transactions and get stuff for free
1059 2011-04-14 10:39:38 <Blitzboom> and prevent any confirmations
1060 2011-04-14 10:39:51 <roconnor> yes they can do that
1061 2011-04-14 10:40:04 <roconnor> I'm not sure they can get stuff for free though.
1062 2011-04-14 10:40:22 <roconnor> I mean they can reverse your transactions can claim your block through their work
1063 2011-04-14 10:40:23 <Blitzboom> why? i pay and then reverse the transaction after i get what i want
1064 2011-04-14 10:40:30 <roconnor> oh
1065 2011-04-14 10:40:33 <roconnor> ya like that I guess
1066 2011-04-14 10:40:44 <Blitzboom> so the currency would be useless
1067 2011-04-14 10:40:57 <roconnor> right, if the attacker has a lot of computing power
1068 2011-04-14 10:41:12 <Blitzboom> "a lot" is relative
1069 2011-04-14 10:41:19 <Blitzboom> iâm assuming a new bitcoin clone now
1070 2011-04-14 10:42:31 <roconnor> what do you mean by a bitcoin clone? a new client?
1071 2011-04-14 10:43:22 <[Noodles]> ah, that's what the competitor is, a fork?
1072 2011-04-14 10:44:27 <Blitzboom> eg an inflationary bitcoin
1073 2011-04-14 10:45:16 <[Noodles]> yeah, got that, i thought you meant a mining-competitor, not a currency-one
1074 2011-04-14 10:45:59 <roconnor> Blitzboom: an inflationary bitcoin requires a protocol change.
1075 2011-04-14 10:46:01 <[Noodles]> would be pretty easy for bitcoiners to overtake mining-power on upcoming networks (assuming the community nows about it and works together)
1076 2011-04-14 10:46:06 <da2ce7> ;;bc,testnet
1077 2011-04-14 10:46:07 <gribble> Error: "bc,testnet" is not a valid command.
1078 2011-04-14 10:46:10 <da2ce7> ;;bc,help
1079 2011-04-14 10:46:10 <gribble> Alias bc,bcm, Alias bc,blocks, Alias bc,btcex, Alias bc,calc, Alias bc,calcd, Alias bc,channels, Alias bc,diff, Alias bc,estimate, Alias bc,gen, Alias bc,gend, Alias bc,help, Alias bc,hextarget, Alias bc,labs, Alias bc,lbs, Alias bc,markets, Alias bc,mtgox, Alias bc,nexttarget, Alias bc,poolstats, Alias bc,prob, Alias bc,stats, Alias bc,timetonext, Alias bc,totalbc, and Alias bc,wiki
1080 2011-04-14 10:46:17 <Blitzboom> roconnor: which is trivial to do
1081 2011-04-14 10:46:37 <roconnor> Blitzboom: not really. You have to get everyone to agree to use the new protocol
1082 2011-04-14 10:46:40 <Blitzboom> if people really wanted it
1083 2011-04-14 10:46:45 <roconnor> sure
1084 2011-04-14 10:46:51 <Blitzboom> why? wouldnât it work like testnet?
1085 2011-04-14 10:46:57 <roconnor> but a change in protocol is effectively a different currency
1086 2011-04-14 10:47:00 <Blitzboom> yes
1087 2011-04-14 10:47:07 <Blitzboom> thatâs what iâm talking about. a competing currency
1088 2011-04-14 10:47:15 <da2ce7> ,,bc,blocks
1089 2011-04-14 10:47:15 <gribble> 118325
1090 2011-04-14 10:47:24 <da2ce7> !!bc,blocks
1091 2011-04-14 10:47:24 <roconnor> Blitzboom: there are still many clients running the old testnet "currency"
1092 2011-04-14 10:47:25 <xelister> Blaaarrrghghg
1093 2011-04-14 10:47:43 * xelister takes a mother fucking hammer to the IT
1094 2011-04-14 10:47:45 <roconnor> possibly more than running the new currency :D
1095 2011-04-14 10:48:24 <xelister> the drivers are so buggy its unbelivable :o Each version of fgrlx, sdk, miner, all have bugs and all others. All possible bug combinations - the sky is the limit.
1096 2011-04-14 10:48:45 <da2ce7> yay, I have some testnet coins :)
1097 2011-04-14 10:48:52 <da2ce7> who wants some?
1098 2011-04-14 10:48:55 <xelister> da2ce7: want 400 ;) ?
1099 2011-04-14 10:49:03 <da2ce7> um, um 5min
1100 2011-04-14 10:49:24 <xelister> <nameless|> we reset yhe testnet again. Problem, testminers? |:-}>
1101 2011-04-14 10:49:24 * da2ce7 needs to generate 120 so I can send em'
1102 2011-04-14 10:50:01 <sipa> try testnet in a box
1103 2011-04-14 10:50:02 <sipa> :)
1104 2011-04-14 10:50:06 <roconnor> xelister: the testminers just keep using the old clients :D
1105 2011-04-14 10:50:22 <xelister> =)
1106 2011-04-14 10:51:27 * da2ce7 try setting the transaction fee abover 50BTC
1107 2011-04-14 10:51:30 <da2ce7> :O
1108 2011-04-14 10:51:39 <da2ce7> going to send coins to myself throogh transactions!
1109 2011-04-14 10:54:31 * da2ce7 wonders if he set his miner to mine all the time on the test net but required a min-fee of 50BTC...
1110 2011-04-14 10:55:37 * xelister debugs Diablo-D3's miner like a boss
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1115 2011-04-14 11:07:09 <xelister> ;; bc,diff
1116 2011-04-14 11:07:13 <gribble> 82347.22294654
1117 2011-04-14 11:07:17 <xelister> ;; bc,stats
1118 2011-04-14 11:07:18 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118327 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 616 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 15 hours, 46 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92872.78105741
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1120 2011-04-14 11:07:30 <xelister> see? we're going for 100.000 as I said.
1121 2011-04-14 11:11:27 <mtrlt> i see no end to difficulty increases :/
1122 2011-04-14 11:11:45 <sipa> that's a good thing
1123 2011-04-14 11:11:45 <mtrlt> at 300k or something it's not profitable any more for me.
1124 2011-04-14 11:12:12 <mtrlt> yea, means more people are mining
1125 2011-04-14 11:12:40 <mtrlt> or that the person trying to take over bitcoin is getting stronger and stronger :P
1126 2011-04-14 11:12:47 <jrabbit> lol
1127 2011-04-14 11:14:18 <xelister> ;; bc,gen 1000
1128 2011-04-14 11:14:23 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 0.0122144784558 BTC per day and 0.000508936602327 BTC per hour.
1129 2011-04-14 11:15:50 <xelister> ;; bc,gen 1000000
1130 2011-04-14 11:15:51 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 12.2144784558 BTC per day and 0.508936602327 BTC per hour.
1131 2011-04-14 11:21:37 <topi`_> the increase in difficulty also means that it is harder and harder to strongarm the network away by a rogue attacker
1132 2011-04-14 11:22:19 <[Noodles]> seems like the testnet-faucet isnt working for me
1133 2011-04-14 11:23:01 <[Noodles]> tells me "sent!", available faucet-balance goes down, but i dont get anything and the faucet-balance goes back up after a while
1134 2011-04-14 11:23:42 <roconnor> [Noodles]: are you telling the faucet to send bitcoins to itself?
1135 2011-04-14 11:24:00 <[Noodles]> hu?
1136 2011-04-14 11:24:05 <[Noodles]> why should i do that?`
1137 2011-04-14 11:24:12 <[Noodles]> of course not
1138 2011-04-14 11:24:34 <[Noodles]> trying to send some coins to it now, see if that works
1139 2011-04-14 11:25:43 <roconnor> [Noodles]: cut and paste error :)
1140 2011-04-14 11:25:50 <[Noodles]> what error?
1141 2011-04-14 11:25:56 <[Noodles]> there is none
1142 2011-04-14 11:26:03 <roconnor> ah nevermind
1143 2011-04-14 11:26:08 <roconnor> sorry
1144 2011-04-14 11:27:06 <[Noodles]> sending coins seems to work
1145 2011-04-14 11:27:12 <[Noodles]> but i dont get any
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1151 2011-04-14 11:42:25 <roconnor> In https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification it says: 4 timestamp uint32_t A timestamp recording when this block was created (Limited to 2106!)
1152 2011-04-14 11:42:37 <roconnor> what does (Limited to 2106!) mean?
1153 2011-04-14 11:43:14 <sipa> the year
1154 2011-04-14 11:43:22 <roconnor> oh
1155 2011-04-14 11:43:30 <roconnor> I thought it was a version number :D
1156 2011-04-14 11:43:55 <sipa> i had to think for a while as well
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1158 2011-04-14 11:44:52 <roconnor> nice to see bitcoin comes with an expiration date :D
1159 2011-04-14 11:45:38 <roconnor> it's like no one learned anything from Y2K
1160 2011-04-14 11:46:13 <krytzz> well there isnt an infinite number datatype unfortunately :p
1161 2011-04-14 11:46:29 <roconnor> there could be one
1162 2011-04-14 11:46:36 <roconnor> though I'd be satified with a 64-bit value
1163 2011-04-14 11:46:37 <sipa> it's the Y2KCVI!
1164 2011-04-14 11:47:03 <sipa> hmm, maybe rather Y2kh6
1165 2011-04-14 11:48:32 <xelister> krytzz: there is
1166 2011-04-14 11:48:36 <xelister> krytzz: null-terminated integer =)
1167 2011-04-14 11:48:43 <krytzz> doesnt matter anyway roconnor, in 100 years mankind is either dead or we have automated systems to take care of old sourcecode :p
1168 2011-04-14 11:49:08 <krytzz> xelister: and where do you save the infinite length? on your infinite harddrive i guess
1169 2011-04-14 11:49:16 <xelister> krytzz: it must be what people in X centur spoken... in 100 years mankind will be dead, or will fix machines to auotoupgrade and maintain themselves ;)
1170 2011-04-14 11:49:48 <Blitzboom> in 10 years, bitcoin will either be dead or worth 100k USD
1171 2011-04-14 11:49:51 <xelister> krytzz: well by year 2^100000000 bigger problem will be that the universe ends
1172 2011-04-14 11:49:54 <Blitzboom> per BTC
1173 2011-04-14 11:50:05 <roconnor> Blitzboom: it won't be worth anything if no more blocks can be timestamped :D
1174 2011-04-14 11:50:34 <krytzz> xelister: hehe
1175 2011-04-14 11:50:56 <[Noodles]> would be a nice problem to have anyway, cuz it means bitcoin survived 100years
1176 2011-04-14 11:51:03 <Blitzboom> i thought the universe was expanding?
1177 2011-04-14 11:51:20 <xelister> Blitzboom: then average temperature is 0.000000000000000000000000000000001 K, so everyone freezes
1178 2011-04-14 11:51:37 <Blitzboom> but it will still exist
1179 2011-04-14 11:51:43 <roconnor> Blitzboom: also your atoms rip apart with the accelerated expansion of the universe.
1180 2011-04-14 11:51:58 <Blitzboom> uhuh
1181 2011-04-14 11:52:09 <Blitzboom> i think the sun exploding will be earlier
1182 2011-04-14 11:52:30 <roconnor> surely bitcoin can survive the sun exploding
1183 2011-04-14 11:52:41 <roconnor> I want my store of value damn it
1184 2011-04-14 11:52:43 <da2ce7> easy
1185 2011-04-14 11:52:44 <Blitzboom> sure, the internet is immortal
1186 2011-04-14 11:52:45 <roconnor> :D
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1188 2011-04-14 11:53:16 <da2ce7> bitcoin is secure untill we meet God... well then we don't really care about bitcoin anymore.
1189 2011-04-14 11:53:32 <Blitzboom> i will NOT donate to god
1190 2011-04-14 11:53:50 <[Noodles]> i guess in 100years i wont care about bitcoin anymore anyway
1191 2011-04-14 11:54:13 <Blitzboom> [Noodles]: maybe youâll still be around as a cyborg
1192 2011-04-14 11:54:33 <xelister> =)
1193 2011-04-14 11:54:39 <[Noodles]> nah, i can't afford that
1194 2011-04-14 11:54:54 <Blitzboom> sure you can, i thought you have a ton of bitcoins
1195 2011-04-14 11:54:56 <xelister> gay cyborgs will have iPhone 6831 integrate
1196 2011-04-14 11:54:57 <sirius-m> if a bitcoin's value was 10$, up to 72,000$ of resources would be used for mining every day
1197 2011-04-14 11:54:58 <xelister> -d
1198 2011-04-14 11:55:08 <sirius-m> something to think about :F
1199 2011-04-14 11:55:19 <Blitzboom> sirius-m: calculation based on?
1200 2011-04-14 11:55:27 <xelister> 240 blocks per day
1201 2011-04-14 11:55:49 <sirius-m> 7200 new coins / day
1202 2011-04-14 11:56:12 <Blitzboom> i see
1203 2011-04-14 11:56:24 <[Noodles]> how long til we hit 25coins/210kblocks?
1204 2011-04-14 11:56:32 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
1205 2011-04-14 11:56:33 <gribble> 118335
1206 2011-04-14 11:56:35 <Blitzboom> problem, greenpeace?
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1208 2011-04-14 11:57:06 <xelister> building another coalmine for my miner rig
1209 2011-04-14 11:57:07 <sirius-m> maybe the miners would be used for house heating more
1210 2011-04-14 11:57:13 <xelister> problem greenpeace? :>>>>>>
1211 2011-04-14 11:57:35 <xelister> we should buy some russian atomic subs and scrap ractors
1212 2011-04-14 11:57:39 <sirius-m> some server rooms are already connected to central heating
1213 2011-04-14 11:57:57 <Blitzboom> sirius-m: you should rather relate that figure to the amount of bitcoin users
1214 2011-04-14 11:58:15 <sipa> [Noodles]: december 2012
1215 2011-04-14 11:58:15 <Blitzboom> if bitcoin was 10$, iâm sure there would be more than 10x as much users as now
1216 2011-04-14 11:58:40 <Blitzboom> so say 100k users
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1218 2011-04-14 11:58:55 <Blitzboom> thatâs 75 dollar cent
1219 2011-04-14 11:59:00 <sirius-m> yeah, the cost might still be less than what it takes to move physical money around and run bank systems
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1221 2011-04-14 11:59:04 * da2ce7 has solar... but it isn't cost effective.
1222 2011-04-14 11:59:05 <Blitzboom> each, for an awesome payment system
1223 2011-04-14 11:59:32 <[Noodles]> december? i get ~380days, assuiming a growing network (>6blocks/hour) it'll be less than a year
1224 2011-04-14 11:59:39 <Blitzboom> =30$ a month
1225 2011-04-14 11:59:56 <Blitzboom> i think thatâs pretty cheap
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1227 2011-04-14 12:00:31 <Blitzboom> wait, itâs 22.5$
1228 2011-04-14 12:01:09 <Blitzboom> anyway, will be interesting to see what ecological implications bitcoin has
1229 2011-04-14 12:01:57 <sipa> and $72000/day = 600000 kWh/day = 25000 kWh/h = 25MW = 2 eurostar trains
1230 2011-04-14 12:03:02 <sipa> currently, the amount of economically viable "waste" of energy for bitcoin is like 1/6 of a eurostar train :)
1231 2011-04-14 12:03:31 <xelister> whats eurostar train
1232 2011-04-14 12:03:36 <Blitzboom> per day, right?
1233 2011-04-14 12:03:49 <sipa> no, per unit of time
1234 2011-04-14 12:04:35 <sipa> xelister: apparently a eurostar train consumes 12MW of electricity
1235 2011-04-14 12:05:34 <sipa> while more than 2MW power consumption is not economically viable currently for bitcoin
1236 2011-04-14 12:06:17 <krytzz> thats only a max for the train, when fully accelerating
1237 2011-04-14 12:07:22 <sipa> you're right
1238 2011-04-14 12:07:31 <sipa> it's up to 12MW
1239 2011-04-14 12:24:48 <noagendamarket> mine bitcoin on a train ....
1240 2011-04-14 12:24:54 <noagendamarket> ftw
1241 2011-04-14 12:26:27 <[Noodles]> snakes on a plane, bitcoins on a train, what's next?
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1244 2011-04-14 12:34:57 <da2ce7> we need a movie
1245 2011-04-14 12:35:14 <kiba> a Bitcoin movie!
1246 2011-04-14 12:35:21 <xelister> with boobies
1247 2011-04-14 12:35:26 <ersi> [Tycho]: It'd be nice to see how many shares on contributed in a specific solved block on the Statistics page of deepbit.net. Dunno how feaseble it is to implement (and keep running/displaying that data) though.
1248 2011-04-14 12:35:28 <kiba> about a Japanese girl who invented bitcoin!
1249 2011-04-14 12:35:36 <xelister> and tenticles
1250 2011-04-14 12:35:41 <xelister> it fits
1251 2011-04-14 12:35:46 <xelister> perfectly
1252 2011-04-14 12:35:48 <ersi> Yes, I like where this is going!
1253 2011-04-14 12:36:00 <ersi> I'll add a bounty of 50BTC :D
1254 2011-04-14 12:36:02 <Blitzboom> golden tentacles
1255 2011-04-14 12:36:37 <xelister> mining hot girls at bars
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1257 2011-04-14 12:36:54 <xelister> you can invest in ferrari 5970 to pickup more even high difficulty girls in same time
1258 2011-04-14 12:37:19 <Blitzboom> haha what
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1260 2011-04-14 12:39:04 <xelister> >_>
1261 2011-04-14 12:39:06 <sacarlson> what would happen if someone compiled another bitcoin version client with max of 2000 or 20,000 coins instead of 20,000,000 how would that effect stability?
1262 2011-04-14 12:39:20 <kiba> nothing
1263 2011-04-14 12:39:44 <kiba> it will be rejected as a sore loser
1264 2011-04-14 12:40:24 <sacarlson> kiba so what would it's life look like if it wasn't a loser, or why would it become one?
1265 2011-04-14 12:40:30 <fimpfimp> kiba: unless that client gained the majority of computing power, right?
1266 2011-04-14 12:41:09 <kiba> yes, unless it gained the majority
1267 2011-04-14 12:41:34 <sacarlson> kiba: why couldn't more than one bitcoin exist?
1268 2011-04-14 12:41:51 <kiba> they can
1269 2011-04-14 12:41:59 <kiba> but they will end up rejecting each other
1270 2011-04-14 12:42:35 <sacarlson> kiba: rejecting you must mean if they used the same irc?
1271 2011-04-14 12:42:54 <kiba> ?
1272 2011-04-14 12:42:56 <kiba> no
1273 2011-04-14 12:43:03 <kiba> they just on the same network
1274 2011-04-14 12:43:14 <kiba> but if they exists separately on a different network, that's differen
1275 2011-04-14 12:43:15 <kiba> t
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1277 2011-04-14 12:44:00 <sacarlson> kiba: different network? what verible controls what network they are on?
1278 2011-04-14 12:45:03 <roconnor> sacarlson: if two diffent clients with about equal numbers of nodes on the network agree most of the time but eventually disagree about whether one block is acceptable or not, then all financial hell breaks lose :D
1279 2011-04-14 12:45:18 <sacarlson> kiba: I thought like the irc channel was what controled the network like #bitcoinTEST and #bitcoin
1280 2011-04-14 12:46:36 <BlueMatt> sacarlson: that is one of the bootstrapping methods
1281 2011-04-14 12:46:58 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: and there are other bootstrapping methods?
1282 2011-04-14 12:47:16 <roconnor> yes
1283 2011-04-14 12:47:25 <roconnor> there are some hard-code IP addresses
1284 2011-04-14 12:47:40 <sipa> and nodes exchange IP addresses themselves as well
1285 2011-04-14 12:47:47 <roconnor> and connections to clients also give you address of other clients once you connect
1286 2011-04-14 12:47:49 <noagendamarket> http://twitter.com/#!/bitcoinnews/statuses/58504064484380672 interesting tweet by bram cohen
1287 2011-04-14 12:47:51 <roconnor> what sipa said
1288 2011-04-14 12:47:58 <noagendamarket> not a fan of bitcoin...
1289 2011-04-14 12:48:13 <sacarlson> roconnor: ok so all those hardcoded address would also have to be changed
1290 2011-04-14 12:48:27 <kiba> noagendamarket: for a creator of disruptive technology, he's rather dismissive about a disruptive technology
1291 2011-04-14 12:48:39 <topi`_> any idea why '4way' is much slower than 'c' on Core2 cpus?
1292 2011-04-14 12:48:53 <roconnor> sacarlson: it is really the protocol that defines the currency, not so much the nodes.
1293 2011-04-14 12:48:57 <topi`_> i'm talking about jgarzik's miner
1294 2011-04-14 12:49:14 <noagendamarket> kiba - meh
1295 2011-04-14 12:49:38 <BlueMatt> noagendamarket: yea we were talking about it last night. Although I respect his intellect on bittorrent and see where he is coming from, I'm surprised he doesn't like the tech
1296 2011-04-14 12:50:04 <BlueMatt> topi`_: Intel's implementation of sse on core2's isnt that great, hence 4way is slow. Try the asm one.
1297 2011-04-14 12:50:40 <BlueMatt> From the point of view of the current bitcoin market, I would have to agree with bram, but that doesnt mean it has no potential
1298 2011-04-14 12:50:40 <Necr0s> meh, he can go on making his TorrentTV or whatever he's doing now.
1299 2011-04-14 12:50:48 <sacarlson> roconnor: I don't want to change the protocol I was just thinking to myself about testing another coin similar to testnet like testnet2 or testnet999
1300 2011-04-14 12:51:08 <roconnor> if you get clients you can do that.
1301 2011-04-14 12:51:34 <sacarlson> roconnor: I was told you only really need 2 clients for a minimal system
1302 2011-04-14 12:51:45 <roconnor> but if you want a testnet2 then you probably want to change the genesis block
1303 2011-04-14 12:51:57 <roconnor> which amounts to changing the protocol in the sense that I mean by protocol
1304 2011-04-14 12:51:59 <sacarlson> roconnor: yes that's correct
1305 2011-04-14 12:52:03 <BlueMatt> sacarlson: you only need 1 client for a minimal system
1306 2011-04-14 12:52:07 <noagendamarket> hes probably pissed he never thought of it
1307 2011-04-14 12:52:09 <noagendamarket> lol
1308 2011-04-14 12:52:10 <BlueMatt> two if you want to test sending between two wallets
1309 2011-04-14 12:52:38 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: how would you move coins if you only had 1 client?
1310 2011-04-14 12:52:50 <BlueMatt> sacarlson: between addresses within that one's wallet
1311 2011-04-14 12:53:18 <sacarlson> BlueMatt: oh I didn't know that
1312 2011-04-14 12:53:30 <roconnor> noagendamarket: the people in #bitcoin-discussion are pretty goldbuggerish. I totally understand Bram's comment.
1313 2011-04-14 12:53:43 <BlueMatt> though Im not sure how the mainline client actually handles that, it is theoretically easily possible
1314 2011-04-14 12:54:18 <BlueMatt> I agree with his comment from the current market's pov, but seriously it does have some potential all it needs is a strong community that is willing to fight for it
1315 2011-04-14 12:54:30 <roconnor> I'm facinated by the tech of bitcoin, but have no interest in it as a means for exchange.
1316 2011-04-14 12:55:06 <krytzz> roconnor: ack, if it gets more popular and popular we have to deal with the issue 1/3 of the value is already in few peoples hands
1317 2011-04-14 12:55:55 <BlueMatt> yea, it has a ton of problems as a means for exchange, but again, there is a strong community behind it and if they keep pushing it does have some chance of catching on
1318 2011-04-14 12:56:23 * nathan7 cleans up the puddle of elitism
1319 2011-04-14 12:56:48 <kiba> we push bitcoin
1320 2011-04-14 12:56:53 <kiba> and we create services and goods around it
1321 2011-04-14 12:56:55 <kiba> it's all good
1322 2011-04-14 12:57:15 <theorbtwo> Really, the tale of bitcoin *could* be similar to the tale of bittorrent.
1323 2011-04-14 12:57:15 <kiba> anyway, every time you have money, it's going to follow a power distribution law
1324 2011-04-14 12:57:52 <BlueMatt> kiba: it needs more merchants that the community can reasonably provide, the community needs to (and is) fight for existing merchants to accept bitcoin
1325 2011-04-14 12:57:56 <theorbtwo> Started by an idealist, used to move about illicit goods, but also by a core of idealists, until commercial interests realize that it could also be useful for them.
1326 2011-04-14 12:58:19 <kiba> bitcoiners are not just a bunch of idealists
1327 2011-04-14 12:58:22 <kiba> but they are entrepeneurs
1328 2011-04-14 12:58:30 <roconnor> what is the commercial interest in bitcoin?
1329 2011-04-14 12:58:37 <sacarlson> on another note I would like to make my git compile into a deb package so I don't have to recompile and like it on my next systems
1330 2011-04-14 12:58:42 <ersi> I'd like Flattr to support Bitcoins. Two emerging and interesting ideas, rolled into one.
1331 2011-04-14 12:58:43 <krytzz> depends kiba, im not an entrepeneur
1332 2011-04-14 12:59:12 <kiba> well, many in the community are
1333 2011-04-14 12:59:24 <robblesz> flattr charges usurious rates
1334 2011-04-14 12:59:28 <krytzz> ersi: flattr absolutely isnt needed, you could implement it completely client-side
1335 2011-04-14 12:59:33 <BlueMatt> kiba: but you do have to admit that there are quite a few idealists in the community
1336 2011-04-14 12:59:35 <krytzz> kiba: ok probably 50/50
1337 2011-04-14 12:59:41 <ersi> Oh, I know that!
1338 2011-04-14 12:59:50 <ersi> But it'd still like them to.
1339 2011-04-14 12:59:57 <sirius-m> ersi: They'd accept Bitcoins if some service first converted them into euros for them
1340 2011-04-14 13:00:05 <ersi> Mmmh
1341 2011-04-14 13:00:12 <kiba> BlueMatt: entrepeneurship and idealism usually go together in our community
1342 2011-04-14 13:00:23 <sirius-m> I think that would go for many other companies too
1343 2011-04-14 13:01:45 <sacarlson> sirius-m: I thought they already had exchanges for bitcoin to euros, I was going to work on one for bitcoin to Baht
1344 2011-04-14 13:02:05 <kiba> BlueMatt: I am more of the opinion we lack the toolset and knowledge to create high impact business
1345 2011-04-14 13:02:22 <Necr0s> serious business.
1346 2011-04-14 13:02:30 <sirius-m> sacarlson: they need a service to handle the conversion automatically
1347 2011-04-14 13:02:46 <BlueMatt> meh if we had one serious computer parts reseller selling for bitcoin, we would be golden
1348 2011-04-14 13:03:10 <sirius-m> they can't do it themself for legal reasons
1349 2011-04-14 13:03:25 <kiba> but anyway, I think some seriously cool stuff is going to come up soon
1350 2011-04-14 13:03:25 <sacarlson> sirius-m: I was looking at a contract that adds bitcoin to oscommerce
1351 2011-04-14 13:03:40 <topi`_> any SSE2 asm experts here?
1352 2011-04-14 13:03:56 <topi`_> this is what yasm throws at me when I try to compile sha256_xmm_amd64.asm :
1353 2011-04-14 13:03:57 <krytzz> Necr0s: http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy157/TheRandomPlaceholder/Serious_Business_Lego.jpg
1354 2011-04-14 13:04:05 <topi`_> sha256_xmm_amd64.asm:106: error: macho: sorry, cannot apply 32 bit absolute relocations in 64 bit mode, consider "[_symbol wrt rip]" for mem access, "qword" and "dq _foo" for pointers.
1355 2011-04-14 13:04:10 <Necr0s> heh
1356 2011-04-14 13:05:09 <topi`_> I don't know enough of x86_64 to know if 32 bit abs relocs are allowed in 64bit mode or not.
1357 2011-04-14 13:05:25 <sacarlson> sirius-m: I guess what you mean is that you set the value you want to sell your product or service in euros and it auto changes the price tag on your store in bitcoin
1358 2011-04-14 13:06:26 <da2ce7> the transaction fee implmetation is fucked.
1359 2011-04-14 13:06:35 <Necr0s> I think BTC should aim to become the standardized virtual currency.
1360 2011-04-14 13:06:36 <BlueMatt> topi`_: it looks like they arent
1361 2011-04-14 13:06:51 <da2ce7> if you set it to say 1btc, it only works in mutiples of 1btc
1362 2011-04-14 13:07:02 <topi`_> BlueMatt: I found out with google that while ELF allows 32bit abs relocs in 64 bit mode, Mach-O linker does not
1363 2011-04-14 13:07:04 <da2ce7> so it dosn't pick 1btc + 0.1
1364 2011-04-14 13:07:12 <topi`_> so I have to rewrite the code a bit.
1365 2011-04-14 13:07:18 <da2ce7> but it picks, 1, 2, 3 ... btc only
1366 2011-04-14 13:07:27 <BlueMatt> topi`_: oh you are on osx, hm well I have no idea what so ever
1367 2011-04-14 13:07:54 <topi`_> half the hackers carry osx machines these days, so I thought i wasn't alone ;)
1368 2011-04-14 13:08:42 * kiba still carry linux
1369 2011-04-14 13:08:56 * nathan7 coughs
1370 2011-04-14 13:09:02 <kiba> Necr0s: bitcoin will takes us where it can go
1371 2011-04-14 13:09:16 <kiba> we are only its servant, after all
1372 2011-04-14 13:09:24 <nathan7> whoa
1373 2011-04-14 13:09:27 <nathan7> are we some kind of cult
1374 2011-04-14 13:09:49 <kiba> humanity serves technology as much as technology serves humanity
1375 2011-04-14 13:10:18 <kiba> bitcoin is a memes, a very powerful one
1376 2011-04-14 13:10:40 <kiba> that happens to hijack compatiable hosts and directs us to bitcoin's ends
1377 2011-04-14 13:11:15 <sirius-m> sacarlson: yes, and the merchant would receive euros, not btc
1378 2011-04-14 13:11:16 <BlueMatt> ok this just got creepy
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1382 2011-04-14 13:12:01 <kiba> it's a very strange memes
1383 2011-04-14 13:12:26 <noagendamarket> heh
1384 2011-04-14 13:12:30 <kiba> for example, it compells humans to purchase GPUs for the purpose of computing useless answers
1385 2011-04-14 13:12:33 <noagendamarket> it is only a tool
1386 2011-04-14 13:12:42 <noagendamarket> like a gun
1387 2011-04-14 13:12:54 <topi`_> BlueMatt: it seems that for OSX, one needs to use RIP-relative code, so something like lea rbx,[_foo wrt rip]
1388 2011-04-14 13:13:16 <BlueMatt> topi`_: sorry you are way out of my league on this one
1389 2011-04-14 13:13:21 <topi`_> oh, ok
1390 2011-04-14 13:13:24 * noagendamarket wonders if a piece of code has ever been made illegal
1391 2011-04-14 13:13:39 <xelister> noagendamarket: yes
1392 2011-04-14 13:13:46 <EvanR> yes the dvdcss thing
1393 2011-04-14 13:13:47 <xelister> noagendamarket: usafags delegalized decss lib for example
1394 2011-04-14 13:13:51 <BlueMatt> noagendamarket: encryption in general used to be (over certain bit count)
1395 2011-04-14 13:13:52 * xelister highfives EvanR
1396 2011-04-14 13:13:57 <Blitzboom> krytzz: https://forum.flattr.net/showthread.php?tid=550
1397 2011-04-14 13:13:58 <noagendamarket> yes
1398 2011-04-14 13:13:58 <EvanR> 'illegal prime'
1399 2011-04-14 13:14:05 <EvanR> an illegal number
1400 2011-04-14 13:14:09 <robblesz> the code wasn't illegal, it was the distribution of it
1401 2011-04-14 13:14:34 <Blitzboom> kiba: "bitcoin is a memes, a very powerful one" â now donât exaggerate
1402 2011-04-14 13:14:45 <Blitzboom> bitcoin isnât as viral as iâd like to have it
1403 2011-04-14 13:14:48 <nathan7> indeed, it's all memememe
1404 2011-04-14 13:14:52 <xelister> 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
1405 2011-04-14 13:14:54 <EvanR> kiba: the most useless answers..... are the most useful! </deepness>
1406 2011-04-14 13:14:54 <nathan7> these days
1407 2011-04-14 13:14:56 <xelister> suck my epic dong, usa fags
1408 2011-04-14 13:14:57 * xelister 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
1409 2011-04-14 13:14:58 * nathan7 arrests xelister
1410 2011-04-14 13:15:05 <Blitzboom> i havenât seen any popular bitcoin slogan/image yet
1411 2011-04-14 13:15:14 * xelister lets nathan7's gf to cuff self
1412 2011-04-14 13:15:24 <nathan7> I have no girlfriend.
1413 2011-04-14 13:15:28 <Blitzboom> but i guess "mining" will become a meme
1414 2011-04-14 13:15:37 * noagendamarket should mine on a sony ps3
1415 2011-04-14 13:15:44 <nathan7> Somehow make it sound minecraft-related. *zing*
1416 2011-04-14 13:15:45 <xelister> well "mom". you brought this on yourself :>
1417 2011-04-14 13:15:54 <kiba> how does the term bitcoin mining come about?
1418 2011-04-14 13:16:03 <EvanR> make a youtube video which is retardedly stupid, and make sure it has bitcoins in it. then it will go viral
1419 2011-04-14 13:16:15 <Blitzboom> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um63OQz3bjo
1420 2011-04-14 13:16:26 <Blitzboom> oh, wait. retardedly stupid
1421 2011-04-14 13:16:26 <nathan7> xelister: On a side note, do you honestly think ops in here have girlfriends?
1422 2011-04-14 13:17:00 <EvanR> Blitzboom: right
1423 2011-04-14 13:17:04 <Blitzboom> ;;seen girlfriend
1424 2011-04-14 13:17:04 <gribble> I have not seen girlfriend.
1425 2011-04-14 13:17:05 <EvanR> this is straight laced
1426 2011-04-14 13:17:08 <Blitzboom> ;_;
1427 2011-04-14 13:17:40 <Blitzboom> yeah, imagine if friday hat bitcoins in it
1428 2011-04-14 13:17:43 <Blitzboom> had*
1429 2011-04-14 13:17:44 <EvanR> theres that extranormal video
1430 2011-04-14 13:19:17 <xelister> nathan7: yea =)
1431 2011-04-14 13:19:25 <noagendamarket> nathan7 some are married
1432 2011-04-14 13:19:47 <nathan7> The ops? q=
1433 2011-04-14 13:20:47 <noagendamarket> maybe
1434 2011-04-14 13:20:59 <noagendamarket> gribble is married to bitbot
1435 2011-04-14 13:21:01 <noagendamarket> lol
1436 2011-04-14 13:21:11 <nathan7> :o
1437 2011-04-14 13:21:22 <topi`_> i'm progressing: now minerd compiles, but choosing sse2_64 algo, I get Segmentation fault :D
1438 2011-04-14 13:23:41 <BlueMatt> is sse2_64 better on core2 than the other asm one?
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1440 2011-04-14 13:24:16 <topi`_> judging from the MinerComparison wiki page, it is
1441 2011-04-14 13:25:11 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: much
1442 2011-04-14 13:27:08 <Blitzboom> cohen
1443 2011-04-14 13:27:21 <Blitzboom> oops
1444 2011-04-14 13:28:47 <krytzz> topi`_: um i compiled minerd
1445 2011-04-14 13:29:17 <krytzz> topi`_: just look how automake compiles it :p
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1448 2011-04-14 13:32:21 <topi`_> you compiled it for linux or osx?
1449 2011-04-14 13:32:47 <krytzz> linux
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1451 2011-04-14 13:33:51 <topi`_> ok, then you don't have the problem with the 32bit abs relocs
1452 2011-04-14 13:34:08 <krytzz> ah ok
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1455 2011-04-14 13:43:22 <topi`_> damn this core2 feels impotent, I can't manage more than 800khash per core
1456 2011-04-14 13:44:30 <krytzz> i get 1200 per core with sse2_64
1457 2011-04-14 13:44:34 <krytzz> 2400mhz
1458 2011-04-14 13:44:48 <topi`_> well, I can't get that sse2_64 to work
1459 2011-04-14 13:45:04 <topi`_> it needs a patch in order to compile under osx
1460 2011-04-14 13:45:07 <krytzz> hm no idea about osx
1461 2011-04-14 13:45:14 <krytzz> just install linux :p
1462 2011-04-14 13:45:23 <topi`_> i have it on the other partition..
1463 2011-04-14 13:45:45 <topi`_> but then I would lose the wonderful OpenCL acceleration
1464 2011-04-14 13:46:16 <krytzz> which gpu?
1465 2011-04-14 13:46:21 <topi`_> it's a nvidia
1466 2011-04-14 13:46:33 <topi`_> probably if I would use nvidia proprietary drivers, then something
1467 2011-04-14 13:46:35 <krytzz> hm and the linux nvidia drivers dont support opencl?
1468 2011-04-14 13:46:47 <topi`_> but I use only opensource drivers on my debian64
1469 2011-04-14 13:47:12 <krytzz> hm yeah
1470 2011-04-14 13:47:28 <krytzz> but why even you even use osx?
1471 2011-04-14 13:47:35 <topi`_> [2011-03-14 15:44:22] PROOF OF WORK RESULT: true (yay!!!)
1472 2011-04-14 13:47:38 <topi`_> there we go.
1473 2011-04-14 13:47:54 <topi`_> krytzz: you should try one of the new Macbooks to understand why we love OSX ;)
1474 2011-04-14 13:48:24 <krytzz> would perhaps be interested but using osx is giving up for me
1475 2011-04-14 13:48:29 <topi`_> even the touch pad feels much more responsible than under linux
1476 2011-04-14 13:48:54 <topi`_> not to mention the 2, 3, 4 finger tricks
1477 2011-04-14 13:49:29 <topi`_> I mean, after all, the Mac is pretty much about user experience
1478 2011-04-14 13:49:49 <krytzz> yes
1479 2011-04-14 13:49:53 <topi`_> I could perhaps tailor a suitable experience for me under linux, but it would take days, perhaps weeks of tweaking
1480 2011-04-14 13:50:01 <topi`_> i'm lazy :(
1481 2011-04-14 13:50:14 <krytzz> me not (yet)
1482 2011-04-14 13:50:14 <topi`_> lazy + too much money -> buy a mac
1483 2011-04-14 13:50:15 <topi`_> :D
1484 2011-04-14 13:50:20 <krytzz> hehe
1485 2011-04-14 13:53:47 <topi`_> ok, I also spent quite a lot of time compiling all my favourite linux software on the mac
1486 2011-04-14 13:54:09 <topi`_> so i guess there's no win-win here
1487 2011-04-14 13:56:57 <kiba> http://www.gimp.org/about/prehistory.html
1488 2011-04-14 13:57:04 <kiba> jgarzik is mentioned on that page!
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1490 2011-04-14 13:57:34 <gasteve> I published the class-oriented code reorg I've been working on (still a work in progress), but I'm interested in feedback: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5813.0
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1508 2011-04-14 14:28:14 <thermal> wow, FBI really screwed Liberty Dollar over
1509 2011-04-14 14:28:33 <[Tycho]> Once again ?
1510 2011-04-14 14:28:47 <thermal> he did make some pretty bad choice though
1511 2011-04-14 14:29:58 <thermal> no i only just read the old article
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1514 2011-04-14 14:35:05 <thermal> i need some people to chat with and throw around ideas
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1516 2011-04-14 14:35:14 <thermal> who's around? :)
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1518 2011-04-14 14:35:22 * edcba throws an exception
1519 2011-04-14 14:35:28 * thermal catches
1520 2011-04-14 14:35:40 <thermal> nice throw
1521 2011-04-14 14:36:24 <thermal> so how about when referring to a BC address
1522 2011-04-14 14:36:38 <thermal> we use a URL/URI
1523 2011-04-14 14:36:57 <thermal> something like bitcoin://1EzP3qSe79P2VENRYwWdyqk1rineNXPUzM/123
1524 2011-04-14 14:37:04 <sipa> see https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/URI_Scheme
1525 2011-04-14 14:37:06 <thermal> with 123 being the default value
1526 2011-04-14 14:37:41 <thermal> thanks, maybe i'll ready through the wiki before any more idea suggestions :p
1527 2011-04-14 14:37:47 <thermal> read*
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1534 2011-04-14 14:45:08 <thermal> is there a rough process for protocol suggestions and eventual adoption?
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1537 2011-04-14 14:46:42 <thermal> we should take a look through the unicode character sets and see if there's an existing appropriate character for use as a currency sign
1538 2011-04-14 14:46:55 <thermal> failing that we submit a request for one or something
1539 2011-04-14 14:47:20 <ersi> $ but with a B instead of S
1540 2011-04-14 14:47:26 <sipa> see http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=369.0 :)
1541 2011-04-14 14:48:11 <gavinandresen> I still like ฿
1542 2011-04-14 14:48:22 <xelister> ฿
1543 2011-04-14 14:48:23 <thermal> haha
1544 2011-04-14 14:48:43 <thermal> thailand can just deal with it.
1545 2011-04-14 14:48:54 <ersi> :D
1546 2011-04-14 14:48:56 <sipa> i like â· :)
1547 2011-04-14 14:48:56 <thermal> i mean, many countries use $
1548 2011-04-14 14:49:40 <luke-jr> thermal: wiki
1549 2011-04-14 14:50:02 <sipa> i think the forums are a better place for protocol suggestions
1550 2011-04-14 14:50:20 <xelister> â· is also cool
1551 2011-04-14 14:50:50 <sipa> but definitely no ฿TC or â·TC
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1553 2011-04-14 14:51:16 <xelister> actually ฿TC looks not so bad
1554 2011-04-14 14:51:22 <krytzz> ฿ is cool
1555 2011-04-14 14:51:26 <xelister> but how are thoes glyphs supported on windowfags comps
1556 2011-04-14 14:52:21 <krytzz> should work
1557 2011-04-14 14:53:15 <nanotube> just use BTC. not every currency has a fancy kooky unicode character for it, does it? three-letter abbreviations are standard
1558 2011-04-14 14:53:31 <sipa> in fact, most have both, i think
1559 2011-04-14 14:54:07 <thermal> my vote would be for ?
1560 2011-04-14 14:54:26 <thermal> uh.. the b with the horizontal strike
1561 2011-04-14 14:54:35 <sipa> ฿ ?
1562 2011-04-14 14:54:41 * thermal cusses his irc client
1563 2011-04-14 14:54:42 <thermal> yeah
1564 2011-04-14 14:55:20 <thermal> and perhaps the client could intercept ctrl+shift+4 and output it
1565 2011-04-14 14:55:31 <nanotube> http://www.xe.com/symbols.php <-- sipa it seems that plenty of currencies have multi-letter standard abbr. not everything went with kooky chars.
1566 2011-04-14 14:55:40 <thermal> similar to how shift+4 outputs $
1567 2011-04-14 14:55:52 <thermal> or alt+shift+4
1568 2011-04-14 14:56:14 <nanotube> there are quite a few repeats of $ and the british-pound-sign in the list, too.
1569 2011-04-14 14:56:18 <xelister> wow!
1570 2011-04-14 14:56:21 <krytzz> no, could be done with altgr+b
1571 2011-04-14 14:56:24 <thermal> alt+shift+4 is probably more likely to be used by applications though
1572 2011-04-14 14:56:26 <nanotube> so i think there's no need to go inventing kooky characters for bitcoin.
1573 2011-04-14 14:56:28 <xelister> alt+f4 inserts the BTC character ฿ on my os!!!
1574 2011-04-14 14:56:35 <thermal> haha!
1575 2011-04-14 14:56:37 <xelister> does it work this way also for you guys?
1576 2011-04-14 14:56:49 <nanotube> hehe
1577 2011-04-14 14:58:45 <nanotube> ooh heh philipine peso has std abbr of 'php'. paraguay tld is .py. wonder if there are country-level differences in programming language preferences based on that. :)
1578 2011-04-14 14:59:06 <xelister> .pl perl scripts
1579 2011-04-14 14:59:36 <sipa> .java is a island's name on itself :p
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1581 2011-04-14 14:59:47 <thermal> .asm
1582 2011-04-14 14:59:51 <thermal> is American Samoa
1583 2011-04-14 15:00:25 <xelister> .fag
1584 2011-04-14 15:00:29 <thermal> heh
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1587 2011-04-14 15:00:58 <xelister> I can't remember whether Apple or riaa applied for that TLD
1588 2011-04-14 15:01:22 <sipa> obviosuly the film actors guild this
1589 2011-04-14 15:01:28 <xelister> heh
1590 2011-04-14 15:01:39 <thermal> come on now, apple may be evil in a lot of ways but you can't group them with riaa
1591 2011-04-14 15:02:01 <thermal> they make a lovely OS :p
1592 2011-04-14 15:02:29 <thermal> what have riaa done for society?
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1595 2011-04-14 15:03:55 <thermal> Ark Music Factory... now that's what i'm talkin bout
1596 2011-04-14 15:04:34 * thermal plays friday
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1600 2011-04-14 15:12:50 <midnightmagic> 3 days now, LR withdrawal is offline @ mtgox. has anyone else been successful withdrawing LR from mg within that time frame?
1601 2011-04-14 15:14:37 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,stats
1602 2011-04-14 15:14:38 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118354 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 589 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 11 hours, 55 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92856.71761831
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1604 2011-04-14 15:15:03 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,calcd 590000 92856.71761831
1605 2011-04-14 15:15:03 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 590000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 92856.71761831, is 1 week, 0 days, 19 hours, 46 minutes, and 0 seconds
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1607 2011-04-14 15:19:12 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,calcd 1180000 92856.71761831
1608 2011-04-14 15:19:12 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1180000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 92856.71761831, is 3 days, 21 hours, 53 minutes, and 0 seconds
1609 2011-04-14 15:23:23 <sacarlson> I was told that the change in the reset in the last update was 0.3.2.0 so what number does that get reflected in the git number for me to compare the difference?
1610 2011-04-14 15:24:59 <gasteve> I like this: ฿ ...what currency is this currently used for?
1611 2011-04-14 15:25:57 <sacarlson> example of the git number that I downloaded about 2 days ago is d12ea887bcf1eab4b029007c4bf5821992c0c6b1
1612 2011-04-14 15:26:36 <sacarlson> gasteve: it's used for baht in thailand
1613 2011-04-14 15:27:34 <sipa> sacarlson: the testnet reset was done here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/98ba262a48b66cae8478525e809898512e997948
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1616 2011-04-14 15:29:41 <peck> ;;bc,calcd 400000000 92856.71761831
1617 2011-04-14 15:29:42 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 400000000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 92856.71761831, is 16 minutes and 37 seconds
1618 2011-04-14 15:29:51 <peck> thank you dear script
1619 2011-04-14 15:33:18 <thermal> so.. just making some purely speculative philosophical predictions...
1620 2011-04-14 15:33:40 <thermal> considering how easy money transfer will become
1621 2011-04-14 15:34:16 <thermal> a new approach to compensating people could evolve
1622 2011-04-14 15:34:57 <thermal> even to the point where it can be considered normal for children to pay an amount to their mother for a nice meal she cooked them
1623 2011-04-14 15:35:26 <peck> the kids here will be paying in blood!
1624 2011-04-14 15:35:40 <thermal> heh
1625 2011-04-14 15:35:42 <thermal> based roughly on what they perceive the value to be
1626 2011-04-14 15:36:01 <luke-jr> thermal: that would be a problem
1627 2011-04-14 15:36:19 <luke-jr> it would conflict with parental rights
1628 2011-04-14 15:36:29 <sacarlson> sipa: cool just what I was looking for
1629 2011-04-14 15:36:44 <thermal> luke-jr: i don't understand
1630 2011-04-14 15:37:18 <thermal> it wouldn't be a formal transaction or required
1631 2011-04-14 15:37:52 <luke-jr> thermal: children do not have private property rights
1632 2011-04-14 15:38:18 <thermal> hmm i see your point
1633 2011-04-14 15:38:29 <thermal> just some food for thought anyway
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1635 2011-04-14 15:39:37 <thermal> i wonder what apple will do when the first iOS app for bitcoin is developed
1636 2011-04-14 15:39:59 <krytzz> nothing
1637 2011-04-14 15:40:06 <krytzz> why should they do anything?
1638 2011-04-14 15:40:17 <thermal> i mean, will they accept it into the app store or not
1639 2011-04-14 15:40:26 <sipa> it could be considered a scripting application :D
1640 2011-04-14 15:40:33 <sipa> which is against their policy
1641 2011-04-14 15:40:55 <peck> i wouldn't use an iphone even if given to me for free
1642 2011-04-14 15:41:00 <peck> everything is against their policy
1643 2011-04-14 15:41:17 <thermal> i really don't understand how they havent been hit with an anti trust lawsuit yet
1644 2011-04-14 15:41:20 <thermal> for this in particular
1645 2011-04-14 15:41:22 <peck> calling someone they haven't "validated" first is probably against some stupid policy
1646 2011-04-14 15:41:58 <thermal> as much as i disagree with a lot of their policies, they do have beautiful software
1647 2011-04-14 15:42:32 <thermal> and a very useful app store ecosystem
1648 2011-04-14 15:44:20 <thermal> well, there's always android
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1652 2011-04-14 15:53:10 <nanotube> thermal: google about doctorow's 'whuffie' :) that's kinda what you're thinking about the free transasction bit.
1653 2011-04-14 15:56:58 <ersi> I just got an email from C.Doctorow
1654 2011-04-14 15:57:17 <ersi> Maybe not that suprising, since I mailed him first.
1655 2011-04-14 15:58:08 <thermal> lol
1656 2011-04-14 15:58:38 <ersi> But he was practically instant in replying :)
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1658 2011-04-14 15:59:29 <thermal> yeah a 'whuffie' is the concept i was trying to explain
1659 2011-04-14 15:59:53 <thermal> man there's just too much shit going down and so much to read
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1661 2011-04-14 16:00:38 <thermal> feels like i'm gonna have brain overload and melt into a puddle of knowledgable goo
1662 2011-04-14 16:01:28 <thermal> there's got to be another way
1663 2011-04-14 16:01:31 <ersi> thermal: I recently had 150 tabs open, after not reading stuff from my RSS Reader for a few weeks.. most of it was lengthy text pieces, some where videos
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1665 2011-04-14 16:02:17 <thermal> feels like there's just not enough time available
1666 2011-04-14 16:05:04 <ersi> Heh, well - I've been sick a few days.. so that took care of that :p
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1668 2011-04-14 16:06:00 <thermal> maybe i need to do the same :)
1669 2011-04-14 16:06:57 <thermal> i'm gonna try some plyometrics too
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1695 2011-04-14 17:46:23 <midnightmagic> children do have property rights, they just have to file for emancipation or whatever it's called. secession.
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1697 2011-04-14 17:49:12 <nathan7> midnightmagic: ?
1698 2011-04-14 17:56:51 <phantomcircuit> midnightmagic, emancipation and you cant do that until you're 16 and can convince a judge that you're already taking care of yourself anyways
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1712 2011-04-14 18:13:06 <midnightmagic> pretty sure there is no minimum age. you just have to satisfy the courts you are competent, self-sufficient, and/or educated.
1713 2011-04-14 18:15:14 <midnightmagic> hrm, i guess some states have a minimum age to file a petition. that would irritate me if i were a minor.
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1716 2011-04-14 18:21:52 <phantomcircuit> midnightmagic, there is a minimum wage
1717 2011-04-14 18:21:53 <phantomcircuit> er
1718 2011-04-14 18:21:55 <phantomcircuit> age
1719 2011-04-14 18:22:02 <phantomcircuit> it's 16 in every state iirc
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1741 2011-04-14 18:58:08 <theymos> If I'm processing testnet block 13397 correctly, there seems to be a very serious bug in Bitcoin. The miner filled the block with duplicate transactions and then collected massive fees on the already-included transactions.
1742 2011-04-14 18:58:31 <theymos> http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/b/13397
1743 2011-04-14 18:59:51 <EvanR-work> midnightmagic: and then theres the questions posed by these people http://realitybloger.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/killing-your-strawman-the-path-to-freedom/
1744 2011-04-14 19:00:02 <EvanR-work> do adults have property rights? ;)
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1749 2011-04-14 19:03:47 <BlueMatt> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5839.0
1750 2011-04-14 19:04:07 <BlueMatt> never seen that-wtf is it?
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1752 2011-04-14 19:07:45 <theymos> Someone who really knows the code needs to verify this. ArtForz, jgarzik?
1753 2011-04-14 19:09:18 <jgarzik> theymos: which TX hash is duplicated?
1754 2011-04-14 19:09:41 <jgarzik> theymos: can you give me the first 8 hex chars of a dup TX?
1755 2011-04-14 19:09:48 <theymos> All of the ones in that block are. 4d9896bf16e4e, for example
1756 2011-04-14 19:09:48 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/tx/7c9d293026e09e8c155211c206eed2dc4de5baf5473ef7b2a86f4542a831f730
1757 2011-04-14 19:10:21 <theymos> The block is full of (probably) every tx with a fee, duplicated.
1758 2011-04-14 19:10:51 <jgarzik> theymos: TX 7c9d2930 is found in a previous block?
1759 2011-04-14 19:11:17 <jgarzik> theymos: I only see one occurence of 7c9d2930, inside that block
1760 2011-04-14 19:11:17 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: check the bex link, its in 2 blocks
1761 2011-04-14 19:11:27 <BlueMatt> block 1cc7c149...
1762 2011-04-14 19:11:34 <theymos> 7c9d2930 is in 13368 and 13397.
1763 2011-04-14 19:11:42 <theymos> (This is on testnet.)
1764 2011-04-14 19:11:44 <BlueMatt> scary, 1907 total fees
1765 2011-04-14 19:11:59 <BlueMatt> we need to be closely watching mainnet
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1767 2011-04-14 19:12:55 <jgarzik> does look strange at first glance
1768 2011-04-14 19:13:30 <BlueMatt> hm, Raulo says it was the result of a chain-split
1769 2011-04-14 19:13:33 <BlueMatt> on forum
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1771 2011-04-14 19:14:49 <ArtForz> I think both of those blocks cant be valid in the same chain
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1773 2011-04-14 19:14:54 <Raulo> It is definitely a chain split. I have ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK, prev=00000000098ab1644f2f is my log
1774 2011-04-14 19:15:05 <luke-jr> quick, let's all hack our miners to exploit it
1775 2011-04-14 19:15:32 <jgarzik> no hack, just looks like a BBE bug
1776 2011-04-14 19:15:51 <jgarzik> anybody who records blocks in a database must be prepared to rewrite the database
1777 2011-04-14 19:16:08 <ArtForz> a block can't include a tx thats already been in a block earlier in the chain, except for coinbases
1778 2011-04-14 19:16:39 <luke-jr> looks to me like a bitcoin issue
1779 2011-04-14 19:16:43 <ArtForz> what issue?
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1781 2011-04-14 19:16:57 <ArtForz> notice prevblock on http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/block/000000000a055d58b55d9e2c4914480cdeba5f66d0fb285ad2d1510e4e1d607f is dead?
1782 2011-04-14 19:16:59 <luke-jr> the miner includes a transaction with, for example, 1 BTC fee
1783 2011-04-14 19:17:07 <luke-jr> but he copies it 100 times in the same block
1784 2011-04-14 19:17:18 <luke-jr> that is, the duplication occurs in the same block, not earlier blocks
1785 2011-04-14 19:17:18 <ArtForz> no he didnt, look again *headdesk*
1786 2011-04-14 19:17:39 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr bitcoin-ng * r1368fc794a7c gentoo/net-p2p/ (22 files in 4 dirs): Merge net-p2p/bitcoin-git into net-p2p/bitcoin-9999, eliminating Subversion -9999 and fixing up a great many things http://tinyurl.com/3trbzqw
1787 2011-04-14 19:17:51 <luke-jr> ArtForz: why not?
1788 2011-04-14 19:17:56 <ArtForz> okay, show me any 2 identical tx in that block
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1790 2011-04-14 19:18:38 <luke-jr> ah, i see.. the raw data looks sane
1791 2011-04-14 19:19:05 <luke-jr> but do the clients make the checks necessary to prevent that potential exploit?
1792 2011-04-14 19:19:14 <ArtForz> what potential exploit?
1793 2011-04-14 19:19:23 <luke-jr> multiple copies of the same tx in a single block
1794 2011-04-14 19:19:27 <BlueMatt> ArtForz: replay a tx to get fees
1795 2011-04-14 19:19:33 <ArtForz> again, WHERE IS ONE?
1796 2011-04-14 19:19:49 <ArtForz> client already drops such a block on the floor instantly
1797 2011-04-14 19:19:52 <luke-jr> ok
1798 2011-04-14 19:20:00 <BlueMatt> ArtForz: bbe showed one, it isnt, its a bbe bug
1799 2011-04-14 19:20:17 <ArtForz> what bbe showed was something different
1800 2011-04-14 19:20:27 <ArtForz> *two* blocks, containing partially the same tx
1801 2011-04-14 19:20:29 <BlueMatt> replaying txes from previous blocks
1802 2011-04-14 19:20:36 <ArtForz> as in, each tx is in block A and block B
1803 2011-04-14 19:20:40 <BlueMatt> same exploit esentially
1804 2011-04-14 19:20:46 <BlueMatt> well, same result
1805 2011-04-14 19:20:47 <ArtForz> which is perfectly fine if block B happens to be a deadend fork
1806 2011-04-14 19:20:47 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: competing blocks, I think
1807 2011-04-14 19:20:59 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: not part of the same chain
1808 2011-04-14 19:21:03 <ArtForz> yep
1809 2011-04-14 19:21:08 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, the mainline client isn't even capable of storing multiple identical transactions
1810 2011-04-14 19:21:17 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: it wouldn't have to
1811 2011-04-14 19:21:18 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, it uses the transaction hash as the primary key
1812 2011-04-14 19:21:21 <ArtForz> those 2 blocks are on different forks of the chain
1813 2011-04-14 19:21:45 <ArtForz> and it ignores any block that contains a tx with a hash already in a earlier (or the same) block
1814 2011-04-14 19:21:57 <theymos> Yep; I reloaded the database and that was the problem. I was pretty worried for a minute!
1815 2011-04-14 19:22:06 <ArtForz> except for coinbase
1816 2011-04-14 19:22:16 <luke-jr> ArtForz: please demonstrate the same-block exploit is covered. I don't see it in the code.
1817 2011-04-14 19:22:29 <jgarzik> theymos: it would be pretty neat if BBE could visualize block chain splits and reorgs somehow
1818 2011-04-14 19:22:30 <ArtForz> but then, why stop miners from thworing away their generation?
1819 2011-04-14 19:22:37 <ArtForz> luke-jr: try reading the code.
1820 2011-04-14 19:22:41 <luke-jr> ArtForz: I am
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1822 2011-04-14 19:24:24 <ArtForz> ConnectBlock
1823 2011-04-14 19:26:36 <theymos> jgarzik: Maybe I'll keep orphans in the database and link from/to main-chain blocks. Then I'd have to back up the block database, though, so orphans wouldn't be lost.
1824 2011-04-14 19:26:57 <luke-jr> ok, yeah it looks safe
1825 2011-04-14 19:27:19 <jgarzik> theymos: one could store multiple blocks at height N
1826 2011-04-14 19:28:27 <luke-jr> jgarzik: but there's no way to get orphans once they're orphaned, right?
1827 2011-04-14 19:28:44 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: modified client
1828 2011-04-14 19:28:57 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: I mean from the network
1829 2011-04-14 19:29:03 <luke-jr> if you lose your copy, you can't redownload them?
1830 2011-04-14 19:29:03 <jgarzik> luke-jr: correct
1831 2011-04-14 19:29:19 <luke-jr> so theymos would need to make backups
1832 2011-04-14 19:32:51 <theymos> I see what happened. More than 5 blocks were reversed on testnet, which should trigger a shutdown of BBE for safety, but I disabled the shutdown on testnet, so some blocks were not updated.
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1834 2011-04-14 19:34:08 <luke-jr> wow
1835 2011-04-14 19:34:15 <luke-jr> that big a reversal would screw up Spesmilo too :P
1836 2011-04-14 19:34:42 <luke-jr> jgarzik: btw, any idea why bitcoind randomly re-orders transactions in listtransactions? :/
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1839 2011-04-14 19:41:17 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, the block chain should be displayed as a tree
1840 2011-04-14 19:42:52 <jgarzik> a long boring tree with very few branches
1841 2011-04-14 19:43:03 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: I would do a timeline with parallel histories :D
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1846 2011-04-14 19:50:11 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, same diff
1847 2011-04-14 19:50:49 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: why won't MtGox let me deposit BTC?
1848 2011-04-14 19:51:10 <jgarzik> luke-jr: is it giving you an error?
1849 2011-04-14 19:51:18 <luke-jr> no
1850 2011-04-14 19:51:21 <luke-jr> just sittign there doing nothing
1851 2011-04-14 19:51:28 <luke-jr> there it goes
1852 2011-04-14 19:51:50 <luke-jr> took like a minute after I clicked "Send Bitcoins" -.-
1853 2011-04-14 19:51:53 <antivigilante> btw MtGox can we have the addresses for those accounts?
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1855 2011-04-14 19:53:49 <BlueMatt> antivigilante: I believe MagicalTux said its in the works
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1857 2011-04-14 19:54:01 <roconnor> is blockexplorer.com down?
1858 2011-04-14 19:54:18 <gjs278> the whole system crashed... there's bitcoins spilling everywhere. it's horrible
1859 2011-04-14 19:54:35 <BlueMatt> get yourself a bucket and get some
1860 2011-04-14 19:54:42 <antivigilante> how
1861 2011-04-14 19:55:16 <jgarzik> now brown cow
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1866 2011-04-14 20:00:25 <tcatm> anyone having bitcoincharts open 24/7 should do do CTRL+SHIFT+R now. there were some updates that might screw up the layout without a complete refresh
1867 2011-04-14 20:03:07 <luke-jr> tcatm: hope one of those updates was a backdoor to let you refresh it remotely :P
1868 2011-04-14 20:04:13 <phantomcircuit> lol
1869 2011-04-14 20:04:18 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, exactly what i was thinking
1870 2011-04-14 20:04:44 <tcatm> luke-jr: I used to do that from time to time by finding "bugs"
1871 2011-04-14 20:05:22 <tcatm> i.e return a <script type="javascript">refresh()</script> instead of html fragment
1872 2011-04-14 20:05:42 <phantomcircuit> tcatm, just throw in an intentional version of that
1873 2011-04-14 20:06:09 <luke-jr> my AJAX-like stuff usually streams ECMAScript for eval(), so I can do anything
1874 2011-04-14 20:06:31 <tcatm> That might cause problems once I make the page more interactive and thus reset some forms..
1875 2011-04-14 20:07:02 <luke-jr> only if you let it cause problems⦠:p
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1877 2011-04-14 20:07:44 <luke-jr> tcatm: so do you like the new -watch format, or have any other ideas for it? :P
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1879 2011-04-14 20:08:20 <tcatm> looks okay
1880 2011-04-14 20:09:51 <phantomcircuit> window.setInterval(function(){var s=document.createElement('script');s.src='http://bitcoincharts.com/reload.js';document.body.appendChild(s)},30000)
1881 2011-04-14 20:09:54 <phantomcircuit> AMAZING
1882 2011-04-14 20:10:16 <phantomcircuit> that's a giant memory leak
1883 2011-04-14 20:10:16 <phantomcircuit> but
1884 2011-04-14 20:10:18 <phantomcircuit> meh
1885 2011-04-14 20:10:22 <luke-jr> lol
1886 2011-04-14 20:10:39 <tcatm> I already have a function that queries the server every 15s for new data
1887 2011-04-14 20:10:42 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, can you spot the memory leak?
1888 2011-04-14 20:11:10 <luke-jr> dunno, do DOM objects cleanup when they go out of scope?
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1890 2011-04-14 20:11:15 <luke-jr> you never add it to the doc
1891 2011-04-14 20:12:28 <doublec> it's continously adding dom objects to the document, so it will grow over time
1892 2011-04-14 20:12:30 <purplezky> tcatm: you did split all pages, why ? is it to get more adviews ?
1893 2011-04-14 20:12:49 <gjs278> auto refreshing is the devil unless specifically checked by the user
1894 2011-04-14 20:13:10 <phantomcircuit> doublec, WINRAR
1895 2011-04-14 20:13:34 <gjs278> <script/><script/><script/><script/><script/><script/><script/><script/>
1896 2011-04-14 20:14:28 <gjs278> create a 20gb file with nothing but 0's. gzip it. tell someone to visit it with their browser. kaboom.
1897 2011-04-14 20:14:54 <phantomcircuit> i wonder what happens if you gzip an empty file
1898 2011-04-14 20:14:58 <doublec> phantomcircuit: you can remove the object from the DOM to prevent that
1899 2011-04-14 20:15:16 <gjs278> or not append a new one everytime lol
1900 2011-04-14 20:15:17 <doublec> phantomcircuit: assuming that does work across browsers ok
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1902 2011-04-14 20:15:23 <tcatm> purplezky: I wanted to have more information visible without scrolling.
1903 2011-04-14 20:15:41 <gjs278> disregard user experience, acquire mad $$$$$
1904 2011-04-14 20:15:59 <gjs278> its the only way to live
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1906 2011-04-14 20:16:26 <doublec> here's a way to deal with the memory leak: http://ajaxian.com/archives/dynamic-script-generation-and-memory-leaks
1907 2011-04-14 20:16:43 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, rofl a zero filled 1.4GB file gzipped is 1.3 MB
1908 2011-04-14 20:16:49 <phantomcircuit> BRB MASSIVE DOS
1909 2011-04-14 20:16:51 <gjs278> yeah
1910 2011-04-14 20:16:52 <gjs278> exactly
1911 2011-04-14 20:17:00 <gjs278> make it your 403 file
1912 2011-04-14 20:17:04 <phantomcircuit> no really im going to explain this
1913 2011-04-14 20:17:08 <phantomcircuit> ima fuck some bitches up
1914 2011-04-14 20:17:23 <luke-jr> â¦..
1915 2011-04-14 20:17:26 <luke-jr> why stop at 1.4 GB?
1916 2011-04-14 20:17:30 <luke-jr> and why so big?
1917 2011-04-14 20:17:37 <phantomcircuit> NOM NOM MEMORIES
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1919 2011-04-14 20:17:42 <luke-jr> I bet you could hand-craft a tiny 10 TB gzip ;)
1920 2011-04-14 20:17:59 <phantomcircuit> probably
1921 2011-04-14 20:18:08 <mtrlt> i read about a zip file that contains itself
1922 2011-04-14 20:18:14 <phantomcircuit> rofl
1923 2011-04-14 20:18:20 <mtrlt> then some antivirus programs tried to check it by uncompressing it infinitely :P
1924 2011-04-14 20:18:24 <MBS> phantomcircuit?
1925 2011-04-14 20:18:26 <MBS> from raidchan?
1926 2011-04-14 20:18:29 <MBS> sup dude
1927 2011-04-14 20:18:38 <gjs278> from gaydchan
1928 2011-04-14 20:19:12 <phantomcircuit> MBS, rofl
1929 2011-04-14 20:19:13 <phantomcircuit> sup
1930 2011-04-14 20:19:21 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, silence we will uh
1931 2011-04-14 20:19:23 <phantomcircuit> raid you
1932 2011-04-14 20:19:24 <BlueMatt> mtrlt: yea, that was quite a deal a couple years ago
1933 2011-04-14 20:19:25 <MBS> lol
1934 2011-04-14 20:19:27 <tcatm> if you nest two bzip2 files you can uncompress them to 100 GB
1935 2011-04-14 20:19:34 <MBS> so how long have you been doing this pc?
1936 2011-04-14 20:19:44 <MBS> i just found out about bitcoin a few days ago :(
1937 2011-04-14 20:19:44 <underscor> http://research.swtch.com/2010/03/zip-files-all-way-down.html
1938 2011-04-14 20:19:49 <phantomcircuit> MBS, http://github.com/phantomcircuit/bitcoin-alt
1939 2011-04-14 20:19:54 <phantomcircuit> MBS, just a little bit...
1940 2011-04-14 20:19:54 <tcatm> bzip2ed file is 220 byte
1941 2011-04-14 20:20:42 <luke-jr> mtrlt: awesome
1942 2011-04-14 20:21:34 <gjs278> phantomcircuit every website you visit, make your username <textarea>
1943 2011-04-14 20:21:46 <gjs278> 10% of the time it works 100% of the time
1944 2011-04-14 20:21:53 <phantomcircuit> lol
1945 2011-04-14 20:22:01 <phantomcircuit> good old xss
1946 2011-04-14 20:22:15 <grbgout> luke-jr: were you the one who said they saw a similar craigslist ad for paying for GPU usage?
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1948 2011-04-14 20:22:54 <luke-jr> yeah, tampa
1949 2011-04-14 20:23:21 <luke-jr> w00t I have -0 BTC on MtGOx :p
1950 2011-04-14 20:24:13 <gjs278> what did you sell at
1951 2011-04-14 20:24:14 <grbgout> I contacted the guy for more info, and it's definitely some kind of cracking --- I"m counting brute forcing hashes here --- and quite possibly bitcoin, he pays less for nVidia cards because "[they are] a lot slower for the processing [he is] doing."
1952 2011-04-14 20:24:36 <gjs278> it's vlad
1953 2011-04-14 20:24:44 <grbgout> vlad?
1954 2011-04-14 20:24:51 <gjs278> someone actually took him up on his offer, now he has to find the gpus to lease out
1955 2011-04-14 20:24:57 <gjs278> (joking)
1956 2011-04-14 20:26:06 <BitterTea> FYI, the zip-within-a-zip is called a Quine
1957 2011-04-14 20:26:07 <gjs278> referring to this grbgout http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2883.0
1958 2011-04-14 20:26:08 <grbgout> gjs278: ah, I see.
1959 2011-04-14 20:26:33 <grbgout> gjs278: did you see the craigslist ad?
1960 2011-04-14 20:26:37 <gjs278> nah
1961 2011-04-14 20:26:41 <grbgout> care to?
1962 2011-04-14 20:26:45 <gjs278> sure
1963 2011-04-14 20:26:56 <grbgout> dang, now I have to find it again ^_^
1964 2011-04-14 20:27:07 <grbgout> http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bar/2311785717.html
1965 2011-04-14 20:27:48 <grbgout> luke-jr: did you contact the tampa guy?
1966 2011-04-14 20:27:54 <luke-jr> no
1967 2011-04-14 20:28:10 <grbgout> It would be interesting to see if it's the same guy (or email, at least).
1968 2011-04-14 20:28:22 <gjs278> that's pretty funny
1969 2011-04-14 20:28:40 <grbgout> yeah
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1971 2011-04-14 20:29:40 <grbgout> I may take him up on it if I find a card on ebay for cheap. Calculate the minimum I need to get the payback from him, then stop when it's paid off. Adjust his usage over BTC if I can meet the daily minimum for his payment within a reasonable amount of time...
1972 2011-04-14 20:30:14 <MBS> how much does he pay?
1973 2011-04-14 20:30:20 <MBS> in comparison to exchange rate?
1974 2011-04-14 20:30:29 <ArtForz> $45/mo for a 5970 ? *lol*
1975 2011-04-14 20:30:40 <grbgout> MBS: check the ad. Nothing in the ad suggests its specifically for BTC.
1976 2011-04-14 20:30:46 <MBS> oh lol
1977 2011-04-14 20:30:49 <MBS> im sure it is though
1978 2011-04-14 20:31:04 <grbgout> ArtForz: yeah, that sounds low to me, but I never bothered looking at 2x5970's power draw.
1979 2011-04-14 20:31:07 <grbgout> MBS: yeah, that was my thought too.
1980 2011-04-14 20:31:24 <MBS> lol, i need to see if my friend that has a 5750 that he doesnt use much anymore because he uses linux would want to run it :p
1981 2011-04-14 20:31:39 <MBS> if i had the money i might buy it from him, lol
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1983 2011-04-14 20:31:47 <ArtForz> about 300-320W at the plug for one 5970, depends on if you underclock ram or not
1984 2011-04-14 20:31:59 <MBS> and im sure i could find someone to run it that lives in a dorm or apartment with "free" power
1985 2011-04-14 20:32:10 <gjs278> underclocking the memory on my 5870 always gives me way lower hashrates
1986 2011-04-14 20:32:15 <gjs278> memory clock that is
1987 2011-04-14 20:32:31 <MBS> theres no way i could crossfire with my shitty case though, my 5770 hashes at 106-108C
1988 2011-04-14 20:32:33 <gjs278> 300 and 600 were both sig. less than 900
1989 2011-04-14 20:32:33 <ArtForz> and is willing to live with the CONSTANT FAN NOISE ;)
1990 2011-04-14 20:32:51 <gjs278> I had to hack an accelero, but I no longer hear my gpu anymore
1991 2011-04-14 20:32:57 <MBS> im actually sorta hoping that heat from hashing kills my video card
1992 2011-04-14 20:33:10 <gjs278> 59c at full load now
1993 2011-04-14 20:33:13 <gjs278> max
1994 2011-04-14 20:33:15 <gjs278> usually 55
1995 2011-04-14 20:33:22 <ArtForz> 300 is exactly as fast as 1000 here
1996 2011-04-14 20:33:25 <MBS> because i have a squaretrade warrenty on it, so i would probably get like $160 to upgrade to a better card, or at worst a brand new 5770
1997 2011-04-14 20:33:33 <gjs278> to even get 300 I have to flash the bios too
1998 2011-04-14 20:33:35 <ArtForz> gjs278: yes, and how hot are the VRMs?
1999 2011-04-14 20:33:43 <gjs278> not in windows right now
2000 2011-04-14 20:33:44 <gjs278> but
2001 2011-04-14 20:33:51 <gjs278> they were not as hot as people said they would be
2002 2011-04-14 20:33:57 <gjs278> definitely not near 100c
2003 2011-04-14 20:34:07 <ArtForz> shrug, weird
2004 2011-04-14 20:34:14 <gjs278> I couldn't use the default heatsinks
2005 2011-04-14 20:34:16 <grbgout> Are any of you aware of any submerged cooling mining rigs?
2006 2011-04-14 20:34:19 <gjs278> I had to buy individual copper ones
2007 2011-04-14 20:34:28 <ArtForz> huh?
2008 2011-04-14 20:34:33 <gjs278> not a reference card
2009 2011-04-14 20:34:42 <ArtForz> a non-ref 5970 ?!?
2010 2011-04-14 20:34:46 <gjs278> 5870**
2011 2011-04-14 20:34:52 <ArtForz> *headdesk*
2012 2011-04-14 20:35:01 <ArtForz> accelero for 5870 is fine
2013 2011-04-14 20:35:08 <gjs278> not if you don't have a reference lol
2014 2011-04-14 20:35:13 <gjs278> none of the heatsinks fit
2015 2011-04-14 20:35:15 <ArtForz> because 5870 actually has decently oversized VRMs
2016 2011-04-14 20:35:23 <gjs278> yeah
2017 2011-04-14 20:35:31 <MBS> lol, if i had the cash right now, there is a 5830 at newegg for 120 after rebate, and would be 90 after i sold total war shogun 2 on ebay
2018 2011-04-14 20:35:45 <gjs278> 5870 was like $180 for the xfx not too long ago
2019 2011-04-14 20:35:47 <gjs278> but sold out now
2020 2011-04-14 20:36:25 * [Tycho] just got some 5970s :)
2021 2011-04-14 20:36:57 <MBS> hate being a broke college student, lol
2022 2011-04-14 20:36:59 <ArtForz> 5870 has 4*55A VRMs for core, 5970 has 2 sets of 3*55A
2023 2011-04-14 20:37:17 <MBS> really need a new computer XD, but saving up for motorcycle to save money
2024 2011-04-14 20:37:19 <gjs278> tycho's living large off of my 3% take
2025 2011-04-14 20:37:19 <grbgout> VRMs?
2026 2011-04-14 20:37:26 <gjs278> the black squares
2027 2011-04-14 20:37:38 <gjs278> they get really hot
2028 2011-04-14 20:37:42 <grbgout> VRM is an acronym for...?
2029 2011-04-14 20:37:49 <ArtForz> Voltage Regulator Module
2030 2011-04-14 20:37:53 <grbgout> ah, thanks.
2031 2011-04-14 20:38:19 <gjs278> it was such a pain working with the stupid thermal tape
2032 2011-04-14 20:38:22 <gjs278> IT DOESNT STICK
2033 2011-04-14 20:38:48 <gjs278> I'd put the card vertical... heatsinks slide down...
2034 2011-04-14 20:38:55 <grbgout> do you get paid for f@h, or boinc?
2035 2011-04-14 20:38:56 <ArtForz> so a 5870 at 1.1625V theoretically maxes at ~255W on Vcore while still staying inside max current spec on FETs
2036 2011-04-14 20:39:01 <grbgout> I thought they were volunteer....
2037 2011-04-14 20:39:06 <gjs278> mine is at 1.2125
2038 2011-04-14 20:39:20 <ArtForz> while for a 5970 at 1.05 it's ... 173.25
2039 2011-04-14 20:39:20 <gjs278> that's the most asus would let me have on linux
2040 2011-04-14 20:39:22 <[Tycho]> gjs278, i'm mining my own BTCs :)
2041 2011-04-14 20:39:48 <gjs278> why hasn't amd tried to cash in on the 5970 craze
2042 2011-04-14 20:39:53 <grbgout> ArtForz: you mentioned 300-320W at the plug for a 5970, would you exclude the plug wattage and consider solely the GPU draw if the PC would have been on 24/7 regardless of mining?
2043 2011-04-14 20:39:54 <gjs278> these things need to be on newegg
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2045 2011-04-14 20:40:03 <gjs278> there's one 5970 and it's that crappy overpriced gun one
2046 2011-04-14 20:40:18 <grbgout> gjs278: I've noticed a decline in quality information, and information in general, on newegg.
2047 2011-04-14 20:40:25 <[Tycho]> There is no point in buying NEW ones.
2048 2011-04-14 20:40:38 <gjs278> I've noticed they don't have gentle typhoons or 5970's OR ANY REFERENCE CARD EVER
2049 2011-04-14 20:40:42 <gjs278> seriously
2050 2011-04-14 20:40:44 <ArtForz> grbgout: then about 260-280W
2051 2011-04-14 20:41:07 <grbgout> I ordered a PSU from them a few months back, and the values on the site were flat out wrong. I contacted customer service for an RMA, and told them about it --- they refunded my money, but didn't update the information: their ticket said "customer bought wrong item." Basdards, wrong item because their information was wrong!
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2053 2011-04-14 20:41:45 <gjs278> I was my 950 core clock was stable
2054 2011-04-14 20:41:51 <gjs278> I can do 925 no crash
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2056 2011-04-14 20:41:59 <grbgout> ArtForz: is that the wattage draw of the GPU? Just wondering if it should be slightly higher than GPU draw due to minute factors I'm not aware of (miniscule CPU usage of the miner comes to mind, but is quite insignificant).
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2058 2011-04-14 20:42:04 <luke-jr> grbgout: did they make you pay to ship it back?
2059 2011-04-14 20:42:37 <ArtForz> grbgout: dont forget mobo chipset ;)
2060 2011-04-14 20:42:40 <ArtForz> on a 5870? wow, thats poor
2061 2011-04-14 20:42:44 <grbgout> luke-jr: nope, they were cool about it. THey didn't even ask for it back, it was too inexpensive an item to restock. But I specifically mentioned that all of the voltage rail values they had listed were wrong, and they needed to correct it --- nothing "ccustomer bought wrong item", fuckers....
2062 2011-04-14 20:42:51 <luke-jr> LOL
2063 2011-04-14 20:43:03 <gjs278> the difference is like 6mhash for me because I run at -f 60
2064 2011-04-14 20:43:05 <luke-jr> how cheap a PSU was it? O.o
2065 2011-04-14 20:43:15 <luke-jr> actually, which one. sounds like a good idea to do if it has some use
2066 2011-04-14 20:43:19 <grbgout> luke-jr: dunno, maybe in the $20 range, or so
2067 2011-04-14 20:43:25 <luke-jr> there's a $20 range of PSUs?
2068 2011-04-14 20:43:28 <grbgout> ArtForz: mobo chipset? Elaborate, please.
2069 2011-04-14 20:43:35 <grbgout> luke-jr: I don't quite recall, let me check.
2070 2011-04-14 20:44:20 <ArtForz> grbgout: yeah, northbridge is 5-12W
2071 2011-04-14 20:44:37 <ArtForz> more with a fully loaded [78]90FX
2072 2011-04-14 20:44:42 <grbgout> ArtForz: wouldn't that be in use even if the PC weren't mining? Or does the draw increase with GPU usage?
2073 2011-04-14 20:45:07 <grbgout> hmm, what do you guys think, $150 a good deal for a 5870? Or should I try talking her down to $125, she didn't bite on $100
2074 2011-04-14 20:45:15 <ArtForz> depends, iirc some newer chipsets can switch GPU PCIe to x1 mode when idle
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2076 2011-04-14 20:46:36 <ArtForz> not really significant, but quite noticable when CPU is idle
2077 2011-04-14 20:46:44 <appamatto> ;bc,stats
2078 2011-04-14 20:46:57 <appamatto> Hey ArtForz, haven't been here in a while. How's the farm?
2079 2011-04-14 20:47:40 <ArtForz> fine
2080 2011-04-14 20:48:55 <grbgout> Hmm, has anyone ported the bitcoind client (not the mining part) to the MIPS format (e.g. for OpenWRT usage)?
2081 2011-04-14 20:49:09 <krytzz> just try to compile it?
2082 2011-04-14 20:49:25 <ArtForz> LE mips - easy, BE mips - good luck with that.
2083 2011-04-14 20:49:25 <luke-jr> grbgout: C shouldn't require porting
2084 2011-04-14 20:49:25 <luke-jr> just compile
2085 2011-04-14 20:49:51 <grbgout> ArtForz: ah, good point. I don't even remember which my linksys is.
2086 2011-04-14 20:49:54 <grbgout> I should, but I don't.
2087 2011-04-14 20:50:00 <luke-jr> MIPS is both, IIRC
2088 2011-04-14 20:50:11 <luke-jr> not sure if you can switch modes per-application tho
2089 2011-04-14 20:50:17 <ArtForz> nope
2090 2011-04-14 20:50:34 <krytzz> did no one even test an arm compilation?
2091 2011-04-14 20:50:40 <ArtForz> ?
2092 2011-04-14 20:50:48 <luke-jr> krytzz: works for me on ARM
2093 2011-04-14 20:50:49 <krytzz> ah arm is LE
2094 2011-04-14 20:50:54 <krytzz> thought it was BE
2095 2011-04-14 20:50:56 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,stats
2096 2011-04-14 20:51:00 <grbgout> So, no comments on $150 for an HD 5870?
2097 2011-04-14 20:51:12 <luke-jr> grbgout: sounds ok, but don't expect it to pay for itself
2098 2011-04-14 20:51:15 * LobsterMan slaps gribble around with a heavy metal pole
2099 2011-04-14 20:51:20 <grbgout> luke-jr: no?
2100 2011-04-14 20:51:30 <LobsterMan> is gribble working?
2101 2011-04-14 20:51:46 <luke-jr> grbgout: no, you're about a month too late :P
2102 2011-04-14 20:51:56 <grbgout> luke-jr: :P
2103 2011-04-14 20:52:03 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118388 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 555 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 7 hours, 33 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92616.43111293
2104 2011-04-14 20:52:17 <grbgout> luke-jr: the difficulty was around 8k when I first got here, then it dropped to 6.
2105 2011-04-14 20:52:31 <luke-jr> grbgout: now it's higher
2106 2011-04-14 20:52:41 <grbgout> ?
2107 2011-04-14 20:52:44 <luke-jr> the drop was because the last 8k was absurdly high
2108 2011-04-14 20:52:47 <luke-jr> that doesn't normally happen
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2111 2011-04-14 20:52:59 <grbgout> gribble seems to think it's 80k (I meant 80k not 8)
2112 2011-04-14 20:53:13 <luke-jr> no, gribble seems to know it's 82k
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2114 2011-04-14 20:53:15 <grbgout> ;;bc,gen 332930
2115 2011-04-14 20:53:19 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 332930 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 4.0665663123 BTC per day and 0.169440263013 BTC per hour.
2116 2011-04-14 20:53:22 <luke-jr> and predicts the next 92k
2117 2011-04-14 20:53:24 <grbgout> luke-jr: I was rounding in all cases, thank you ;P
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2121 2011-04-14 20:54:23 <luke-jr> grbgout: my 5850 paid for itself at 25k
2122 2011-04-14 20:54:29 <luke-jr> in 2 weeks
2123 2011-04-14 20:55:00 <grbgout> luke-jr: according to gribble's 4.06 btc per day, it should take me roughly 73 days for a 5870 to pay for itself.
2124 2011-04-14 20:55:03 <luke-jr> grbgout: but it never made up for my new PC
2125 2011-04-14 20:55:13 <luke-jr> grbgout: you're assuming that 4.06 BTC per day stays the same
2126 2011-04-14 20:55:40 <grbgout> That's true, I am. I'm also assuming the BTC exchange to USD is locked at 0.7
2127 2011-04-14 20:55:50 <luke-jr> ;;bc,gend 340000 92000
2128 2011-04-14 20:55:51 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 340000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 92000, is 3.71719184129 BTC per day and 0.154882993387 BTC per hour.
2129 2011-04-14 20:56:07 <luke-jr> in 4 days, that'll drop to 3.72 BTC
2130 2011-04-14 20:56:11 <grbgout> why do you think gribble thinks the difficulty will jump to 92k?
2131 2011-04-14 20:56:23 <luke-jr> because gribble knows the same algorithm the network uses
2132 2011-04-14 20:56:59 <grbgout> of course, just wondering how it deduced that --- too many people mining now?
2133 2011-04-14 20:57:07 <ArtForz> ?
2134 2011-04-14 20:57:16 <ArtForz> it's still *way* too less
2135 2011-04-14 20:57:18 <mtrlt> too much mining power :)
2136 2011-04-14 20:57:26 <grbgout> doesn't the difficulty increase with the processing power of the network?
2137 2011-04-14 20:57:31 <mtrlt> yea
2138 2011-04-14 20:57:36 <ArtForz> yep
2139 2011-04-14 20:57:36 <luke-jr> grbgout: 10 minutes / (length of time in this round / blocks found this round) ?
2140 2011-04-14 20:58:11 <ArtForz> and mining if you already have a decent GPU anyways is still highly profitable
2141 2011-04-14 20:58:15 <grbgout> luke-jr: yes, the algorith. How did you query gribble to get the new change, though?
2142 2011-04-14 20:58:22 <ArtForz> so I don't expect growth to slow down much soon
2143 2011-04-14 20:58:23 <grbgout> like, ;;bc,newdifficultyplzkthx
2144 2011-04-14 20:58:58 <ArtForz> beyond 150k we might see it drop to < +10%/period
2145 2011-04-14 20:59:00 <grbgout> ArtForz: indeed, luke-jr was just pointing out that $150 could be a decent price for a 5870, but I shoulnd't expect it to pay for itself.
2146 2011-04-14 20:59:10 <mtrlt> there should be a difficulty/price graph
2147 2011-04-14 20:59:19 <luke-jr> ;;help bc,stats
2148 2011-04-14 20:59:19 <gribble> (bc,stats <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo Current Blocks: [bc,blocks] | Current Difficulty: [bc,diff] | Next Difficulty At Block: [bc,nexttarget] | Next Difficulty In: [math calc [bc,nexttarget] - [bc,blocks]] blocks | Next Difficulty In About: [bc,timetonext] | Next Difficulty Estimate: [bc,estimate]".
2149 2011-04-14 20:59:21 <ArtForz> liek this: http://bitcoin.atspace.com/income.html
2150 2011-04-14 20:59:23 <luke-jr> ;;bc,estimate
2151 2011-04-14 20:59:24 <grbgout> s/algorith/algorithm/ >_<
2152 2011-04-14 20:59:27 <gribble> 92628.41589923
2153 2011-04-14 20:59:36 <luke-jr> ;;gend 265000 [bc,estimate]
2154 2011-04-14 20:59:37 <gribble> Error: "gend" is not a valid command.
2155 2011-04-14 20:59:39 <luke-jr> ;;bc,gend 265000 [bc,estimate]
2156 2011-04-14 20:59:39 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 265000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 92628.41589923, is 2.87756751822 BTC per day and 0.119898646592 BTC per hour.
2157 2011-04-14 21:00:08 <grbgout> oh, that brackate usage is handy
2158 2011-04-14 21:00:14 <mtrlt> ArtForz: link doesn't work :/
2159 2011-04-14 21:00:37 <grbgout> *bracket
2160 2011-04-14 21:00:41 <ArtForz> hmmm... yeah, looks like it's currently down
2161 2011-04-14 21:01:16 <ArtForz> it was a nice graph of daily income per 100mh/s
2162 2011-04-14 21:02:22 <mtrlt> now it works
2163 2011-04-14 21:02:56 <ArtForz> hmmm... looks liek it hasn't been updated recently though
2164 2011-04-14 21:03:01 <mtrlt> yea
2165 2011-04-14 21:03:13 <mtrlt> that's the part i'd like to see :P
2166 2011-04-14 21:04:17 <grbgout> So why did the difficulty drop to 60k not too long ago?
2167 2011-04-14 21:04:23 <ArtForz> well, it'd be back up to ~$1.2/day
2168 2011-04-14 21:04:28 <grbgout> I could have sworn it was in the 80s when I first found BTC.
2169 2011-04-14 21:04:37 <ArtForz> errr... no
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2172 2011-04-14 21:05:19 <grbgout> ArtForz: no?
2173 2011-04-14 21:05:21 <ArtForz> last few were 55590, 76193, 68978, 82346
2174 2011-04-14 21:05:25 <luke-jr> grbgout: because it wasn't supposed to be 80k when you found bitcoin
2175 2011-04-14 21:05:44 <mtrlt> there is no value it is "supposed" to be, it is what it is
2176 2011-04-14 21:05:45 <grbgout> ArtForz: 76, I guess I just rounded up when I saw it.
2177 2011-04-14 21:06:03 <luke-jr> 26k, 36k, 56k, 76k, 69k, 82k
2178 2011-04-14 21:06:05 <mtrlt> there was a spike in hash/s so difficulty went up :)
2179 2011-04-14 21:06:07 <luke-jr> since I started mining
2180 2011-04-14 21:06:14 <ArtForz> yea
2181 2011-04-14 21:06:30 <luke-jr> the 76k was an anomoly
2182 2011-04-14 21:06:36 <ArtForz> yep, aka MM
2183 2011-04-14 21:06:45 <mtrlt> yeah it was an anomaly for sure
2184 2011-04-14 21:06:53 <grbgout> yet this 82, and soon to be 92, is right on target?
2185 2011-04-14 21:06:54 <ArtForz> http://bitcoin.atspace.com/mysteryminer.html
2186 2011-04-14 21:07:06 <luke-jr> grbgout: yeah
2187 2011-04-14 21:07:17 <ArtForz> looks about right...
2188 2011-04-14 21:07:18 <ArtForz> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-10k.png
2189 2011-04-14 21:07:23 <luke-jr> probably next will be 95k-98k
2190 2011-04-14 21:07:31 <luke-jr> since 92k is going to take out a lot of miners
2191 2011-04-14 21:07:42 <ArtForz> really?
2192 2011-04-14 21:07:42 <luke-jr> or at least, it's going to force me into a pool
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2194 2011-04-14 21:07:56 <mtrlt> my limit is at 300k :)
2195 2011-04-14 21:08:04 <mtrlt> might be higher with current prices though
2196 2011-04-14 21:08:26 <grbgout> luke-jr: how are you determining that? BTC per day compared to cost invested?
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2198 2011-04-14 21:08:39 <luke-jr> grbgout: probability of generating a block within the difficulty
2199 2011-04-14 21:08:42 <ArtForz> at current market rates even at $0.3/kWh diff >200k would still be profitable...
2200 2011-04-14 21:08:48 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 265000 [bc,estimate]
2201 2011-04-14 21:08:54 <luke-jr> ArtForz: not solo-mining
2202 2011-04-14 21:09:00 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 265000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 92698.38901838, is 2 weeks, 3 days, 9 hours, 20 minutes, and 2 seconds
2203 2011-04-14 21:09:03 <ArtForz> doesnt matter
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2205 2011-04-14 21:09:21 <luke-jr> ArtForz: pools have overhead.
2206 2011-04-14 21:09:24 <ArtForz> average income pooled is *lower*
2207 2011-04-14 21:09:34 <luke-jr> only if you find a block
2208 2011-04-14 21:09:46 <luke-jr> if you're unlikely to find a block at all, pool makes more sense
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2210 2011-04-14 21:10:38 <ArtForz> even at 200k a 5970 would still find a block every 2 weeks or so on average
2211 2011-04-14 21:10:51 <luke-jr> I don't have a 5970
2212 2011-04-14 21:10:57 <mtrlt> you should ;-)
2213 2011-04-14 21:11:09 <mtrlt> (i don't have one either)
2214 2011-04-14 21:11:14 <luke-jr> mtrlt: I'll buy one for $230
2215 2011-04-14 21:11:45 <mtrlt> wouldn't sell at that price: )
2216 2011-04-14 21:11:52 <grbgout> luke-jr: so what's your threshold for for solominging? I mean, how have you arrived at a given block generation time no longer meritting solo mining?
2217 2011-04-14 21:12:08 <[Tycho]> Installed two 5970 in once PC and now fan speed control is not working. Why ? :)
2218 2011-04-14 21:12:26 <ArtForz> [Tycho]: linux?
2219 2011-04-14 21:12:32 <grbgout> Like, it cost you $x for the card, $y for electricity, so you have to earn Z-blocks per T-time, to break even, and then anything over that is just profit?
2220 2011-04-14 21:12:47 <[Tycho]> No, windows XP.
2221 2011-04-14 21:12:51 <ArtForz> no clue
2222 2011-04-14 21:13:29 <[Tycho]> I wonder if there is some 3rd party utility to set it...
2223 2011-04-14 21:13:54 <grbgout> [Tycho]: amd doesn't provide the tools to manage it?
2224 2011-04-14 21:14:00 <luke-jr> grbgout: difficulty goes up every 2 weeksâ¦
2225 2011-04-14 21:14:10 <grbgout> luke-jr: I understand that.
2226 2011-04-14 21:14:38 <MBS> gtbgout, buy cards, find someone that lives in a dorm, ??????, profit
2227 2011-04-14 21:14:49 <gjs278> they do provide fan support, but it's not working for him is my guess
2228 2011-04-14 21:14:54 <[Tycho]> grbgout, it works fine with 5970+5870, but with 2x5970 it just resets to auto when i press "apply"
2229 2011-04-14 21:15:07 <grbgout> [Tycho]: that's annoying.
2230 2011-04-14 21:15:11 <MBS> try something like msi afterburner
2231 2011-04-14 21:15:28 <[Tycho]> Yes, mining isn't possible without fan regulation.
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2233 2011-04-14 21:16:15 <grbgout> [Tycho]: Oh? It's not enough to just let the machine auto regulate the fans to compensate for higher temperatures? or do you not trust it to properly compensate?
2234 2011-04-14 21:16:57 <mtrlt> at least on my hd5850, the default is to put the fan to 100% when the temps go to 95C
2235 2011-04-14 21:17:00 <[Tycho]> It tries to regulate, but it's over +80, i think it will reach 90+
2236 2011-04-14 21:17:04 <mtrlt> which is ridiculous
2237 2011-04-14 21:17:26 <MBS> with msi afterburner you can set a custom temperature/fan speed curve if you want
2238 2011-04-14 21:17:37 <mtrlt> yea
2239 2011-04-14 21:17:42 <mtrlt> it's the best
2240 2011-04-14 21:17:47 <grbgout> luke-jr: I was trying to understand your technique/equation for determining at what difficulty solo mining would no longer be cost effective.
2241 2011-04-14 21:18:20 <MBS> my case sucks so my thing runs at 100% fan all the time anyway, lol
2242 2011-04-14 21:18:25 <luke-jr> grbgout: nothing complex, just considering various factors vaguely in my mind
2243 2011-04-14 21:18:28 <gjs278> the auto fans
2244 2011-04-14 21:18:30 <gjs278> are retarded
2245 2011-04-14 21:18:36 <luke-jr> grbgout: doing a proper study would cost more in time than it would save :P
2246 2011-04-14 21:18:40 <gjs278> they will let it get to 85c and then decide it's time for 35% fan speed
2247 2011-04-14 21:18:50 <mtrlt> :D
2248 2011-04-14 21:18:56 <grbgout> luke-jr: right, but then the information would be there for others, thereby increasing its worth.
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2250 2011-04-14 21:19:10 <mtrlt> gjs278: but it would make so much noise otherwise! :-P
2251 2011-04-14 21:19:27 <gjs278> it still doesn't ramp up quick enough
2252 2011-04-14 21:19:32 <mtrlt> i think there would be noise from the user's end when he realizes his GPU has melted though
2253 2011-04-14 21:19:34 <[Tycho]> Looks like clock testing isn't working anymore too :)
2254 2011-04-14 21:19:35 <gjs278> they assume people are just doing like short bursts of power
2255 2011-04-14 21:19:41 <RBecker> ;;bc,stats
2256 2011-04-14 21:19:44 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118392 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 551 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 6 hours, 49 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92698.38901838
2257 2011-04-14 21:19:51 <luke-jr> grbgout: only if others reimburse me :P
2258 2011-04-14 21:19:55 <luke-jr> which is unlikely
2259 2011-04-14 21:19:56 <grbgout> lol
2260 2011-04-14 21:20:00 <gjs278> DONATE PLSZZZ
2261 2011-04-14 21:20:05 <gjs278> just put that in your article 20 times
2262 2011-04-14 21:20:15 <grbgout> that's not what I meant by increasing the information's worth. ;)
2263 2011-04-14 21:20:17 <krytzz> fontsize 72
2264 2011-04-14 21:20:43 <gjs278> actually, don't even write the paper until a certain amount of people promise to donate, and then try and milk them for even more once it's done
2265 2011-04-14 21:20:56 <grbgout> It seems like the equation would be pretty simple.... cost of parts, cost of electricity, profit desired, etc.
2266 2011-04-14 21:21:10 <gjs278> profit desired - 1 million dollars
2267 2011-04-14 21:21:13 <RBecker> ;;facts
2268 2011-04-14 21:21:13 <gribble> To see a nice sortable web view of all factoids, click here: http://gribble.dreamhosters.com/viewfactoids.php?db=%23bitcoin-dev || To see a list of the most popular factoids, run !rank || To search factoids, run !factoids search <yoursearchterm>
2269 2011-04-14 21:21:48 <luke-jr> grbgout: difficulty, difficulty change probabilities, value of bitcoins, probability of bitcoin value changes
2270 2011-04-14 21:22:00 <grbgout> RBecker: /query gribble help commands
2271 2011-04-14 21:22:08 <[Tycho]> Downloaded MSI Afterburner, shows all 4 GPUs on graphs...
2272 2011-04-14 21:22:12 <RBecker> grbgout, I'm on the wiki page, thanks :)
2273 2011-04-14 21:22:28 <grbgout> RBecker: to my knowowledge the wiki doesn't list the btc specific commands.
2274 2011-04-14 21:22:31 <gjs278> [Tycho] how the hell are you fitting 4 gpus
2275 2011-04-14 21:22:35 <grbgout> knowledge*
2276 2011-04-14 21:22:39 <RBecker> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Gribble
2277 2011-04-14 21:22:55 <[Tycho]> Looks like it's controls are synced together.
2278 2011-04-14 21:23:04 <ArtForz> gjs278: dual 5970s or 6990s
2279 2011-04-14 21:23:11 <gjs278> ohh
2280 2011-04-14 21:23:12 <gjs278> right
2281 2011-04-14 21:23:14 <gjs278> lol
2282 2011-04-14 21:23:28 <gjs278> always forget that little detail
2283 2011-04-14 21:23:31 <ArtForz> I have several boxes with 6 and 8 GPUs ;)
2284 2011-04-14 21:23:53 <gjs278> I have 3 pci express slots but with the cooler on one card, it takes up two slots
2285 2011-04-14 21:24:02 <gjs278> and the last slot I'm using for my raid card
2286 2011-04-14 21:24:03 <gjs278> soo
2287 2011-04-14 21:24:04 <midnightmagic> 8! doesn't the mobo have to supply ~ 30W per card?
2288 2011-04-14 21:24:06 <gjs278> no more cards for me
2289 2011-04-14 21:24:24 <ArtForz> yea
2290 2011-04-14 21:24:29 <midnightmagic> well okay then
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2292 2011-04-14 21:24:51 <ArtForz> you either need a REALLY sturdy ATX 24 pin connector or you have to hackj the PCIe riser cables to supply external +12
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2294 2011-04-14 21:25:08 <midnightmagic> ah, right, of course. i'd forgotten: you've even mentioned that before.
2295 2011-04-14 21:25:08 <[Tycho]> A mirror set broke yesterday... RAID causes more problems than solves :)
2296 2011-04-14 21:25:15 <gjs278> raid owns
2297 2011-04-14 21:25:28 <gjs278> I only raid0 and 1 though
2298 2011-04-14 21:25:33 <gjs278> never had a need for that much space
2299 2011-04-14 21:25:36 <gjs278> so no raid5 here
2300 2011-04-14 21:25:43 <ArtForz> raid6 here
2301 2011-04-14 21:26:05 <gjs278> waiting for force gt's to come out from corsair
2302 2011-04-14 21:26:11 <gjs278> vertex will never get my blood money
2303 2011-04-14 21:26:14 <[Tycho]> Looks like the card is broken, it's not visible in device manager.
2304 2011-04-14 21:26:15 <ArtForz> n+2 redundancy FTW
2305 2011-04-14 21:26:25 <gjs278> well
2306 2011-04-14 21:26:30 <gjs278> unplug the other card then
2307 2011-04-14 21:26:37 <gjs278> and just use that card a primary
2308 2011-04-14 21:26:51 <ArtForz> [Tycho]: swap cards, chances are good your mobo sucks
2309 2011-04-14 21:27:08 <RBecker> ;;bc,markets
2310 2011-04-14 21:27:08 <gribble> HTTP Error 404: NOT FOUND
2311 2011-04-14 21:27:12 <RBecker> nice
2312 2011-04-14 21:27:24 <purplezky> tcatm changed the site
2313 2011-04-14 21:27:29 <gjs278> ;;bc,"a reason to live"
2314 2011-04-14 21:27:29 <gribble> Error: "bc,"a" is not a valid command.
2315 2011-04-14 21:27:30 <RBecker> ic
2316 2011-04-14 21:28:09 <RBecker> ;;bc,calc 50000
2317 2011-04-14 21:28:20 * RBecker shoots gribble
2318 2011-04-14 21:28:20 <purplezky> PARITY :)
2319 2011-04-14 21:28:21 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 50000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 11 weeks, 4 days, 20 hours, 52 minutes, and 52 seconds
2320 2011-04-14 21:28:29 <gjs278> parity again
2321 2011-04-14 21:28:34 <RBecker> ;;bc,calc 50000 1m
2322 2011-04-14 21:28:34 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
2323 2011-04-14 21:28:37 <gjs278> hax
2324 2011-04-14 21:28:50 <RBecker> ;;bc,calc 50000 4w
2325 2011-04-14 21:28:51 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
2326 2011-04-14 21:28:57 <RBecker> OH
2327 2011-04-14 21:28:57 <RBecker> lol
2328 2011-04-14 21:29:03 <RBecker> ;;bc,prob 50000 4w
2329 2011-04-14 21:29:03 <gribble> 0.289655628862
2330 2011-04-14 21:29:06 <RBecker> heh
2331 2011-04-14 21:29:13 <dbitcoin> ;;bc,gen 276520
2332 2011-04-14 21:29:13 <RBecker> ;;bc,prob 50000 8w
2333 2011-04-14 21:29:13 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 276520 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 3.37754758261 BTC per day and 0.140731149275 BTC per hour.
2334 2011-04-14 21:29:14 <gribble> 0.495410874392
2335 2011-04-14 21:30:06 <[Tycho]> Looks like Afterburner doesn't allows me to lower memory clock :) Should i use that "unlocking config" or bios flashing required ?
2336 2011-04-14 21:30:22 <midnightmagic> raid sucks. ceph would own if they used erasure coding to do n-of-k storage instead of just using copies.
2337 2011-04-14 21:30:34 <grbgout> can we take the gribble requests to a private message, please? It's a bit cluttersome, and gribble is quite happy to 1-on-1. :)
2338 2011-04-14 21:30:36 <gjs278> raid owns
2339 2011-04-14 21:30:49 <midnightmagic> ಠ_à²
2340 2011-04-14 21:30:57 <gjs278> tycho I had to bios flash
2341 2011-04-14 21:31:00 <gjs278> to get lower memory clocks
2342 2011-04-14 21:31:44 <roconnor_> are there any requirements about the values of script or the sequence of the TxIn record of a coinbase transaction?
2343 2011-04-14 21:31:55 <RBecker> ;;bc,calc 48450
2344 2011-04-14 21:31:56 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 48450 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 12 weeks, 0 days, 11 hours, 44 minutes, and 28 seconds
2345 2011-04-14 21:32:09 <[Tycho]> It doesn't allows me to overclock GPUs too...
2346 2011-04-14 21:32:18 <midnightmagic> roconnor_: yeah pretty much. if (normal op) succeed else fail; is littered all over the place.
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2348 2011-04-14 21:32:31 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: what?
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2350 2011-04-14 21:32:47 <roconnor_> ?
2351 2011-04-14 21:33:05 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: the scripts have been locked down pretty significantly; by gavin, if i'm reading the irritating git logs right.
2352 2011-04-14 21:33:22 <roconnor_> I'm talking about the input script for coinbase transactions
2353 2011-04-14 21:33:29 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: not for blocks
2354 2011-04-14 21:33:46 <roconnor_> by default they are filled with the current difficulty and an extranonce
2355 2011-04-14 21:33:59 <roconnor_> I'm wondering if this is required
2356 2011-04-14 21:35:06 <luke-jr> read the source
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2358 2011-04-14 21:35:51 <roconnor_> I'm trying to read the spec
2359 2011-04-14 21:36:43 <luke-jr> the source is the spec :P
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2363 2011-04-14 21:36:58 <roconnor_> I'll just implement whetever then
2364 2011-04-14 21:37:51 <midnightmagic> main.cpp:648
2365 2011-04-14 21:38:50 <luke-jr> wtf? does Market have fees now?
2366 2011-04-14 21:39:35 <jrabbit> I spent msot of my time 'fixing' and by fixing I mean breaking my linux install
2367 2011-04-14 21:39:49 <jrabbit> errr shit I was scrolled way up
2368 2011-04-14 21:40:13 <jrabbit> luke-jr: android market?
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2370 2011-04-14 21:41:28 <curiositysquared> what's up with bitcoin charts? It's down.
2371 2011-04-14 21:41:54 <luke-jr> jrabbit: Bitcoin Market
2372 2011-04-14 21:42:01 <jrabbit> odd
2373 2011-04-14 21:42:09 <jrabbit> thats sucks...
2374 2011-04-14 21:42:17 <jrabbit> maybe the wiki will replace it?
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2376 2011-04-14 21:43:06 <jrabbit> I mean I don't care whats on there jsut that there is one that has all of the places until bitcoin is ubiquitous and its only a list of who doesn't :P
2377 2011-04-14 21:43:56 <BlueMatt> witten: re: upnp segfault: what router, upnp router settings were you using at the time?
2378 2011-04-14 21:44:33 <luke-jr> looks like 2.5%
2379 2011-04-14 21:46:39 <[Tycho]> Oh, looks like ONE 5970 allows OC and other doesn't.
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2381 2011-04-14 21:51:34 <gjs278> what brands
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2384 2011-04-14 21:56:09 <[Tycho]> Don't think that it depends on brand.
2385 2011-04-14 21:56:16 <[Tycho]> The locked one is PowerColor
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2390 2011-04-14 21:57:20 <[Tycho]> Both are reference.
2391 2011-04-14 21:57:24 <luke-jr> bah tx spam again
2392 2011-04-14 21:58:30 <[Tycho]> What's the amount of txes ?
2393 2011-04-14 21:59:46 <luke-jr> good question
2394 2011-04-14 21:59:51 <luke-jr> I seem to have accidentally switched to master
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2398 2011-04-14 22:15:43 <JFK911> ;;bc,calc 760000
2399 2011-04-14 22:15:54 <JFK911> oh no
2400 2011-04-14 22:16:04 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 760000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 5 days, 9 hours, 16 minutes, and 6 seconds
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2414 2011-04-14 22:34:21 <scoots> Is there any info how to install bitcoind on amazon ec2?
2415 2011-04-14 22:34:26 <scoots> Like with build?
2416 2011-04-14 22:34:33 <scoots> Search the whole internetz
2417 2011-04-14 22:34:36 <phantomcircuit> scoots, im afraid to ask but
2418 2011-04-14 22:34:37 <phantomcircuit> why
2419 2011-04-14 22:34:58 <scoots> Not going to mine there but for a project im working on (:
2420 2011-04-14 22:35:38 <phantomcircuit> scoots, how about just using the prebuilt binaries?
2421 2011-04-14 22:35:57 <scoots> Get some nasty errors trying to run them
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2423 2011-04-14 22:36:08 <doublec> what are the errors?
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2425 2011-04-14 22:36:41 <doublec> if you want to build it this should work: make -f makefile.unix bitcoind
2426 2011-04-14 22:36:46 <krytzz> then use another distro
2427 2011-04-14 22:36:51 <krytzz> probably library issues
2428 2011-04-14 22:37:02 <grbgout> scoots: are they db errors?
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2430 2011-04-14 22:37:20 <scoots> ./bitcoind: /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.9' not found (required by ./bitcoind)
2431 2011-04-14 22:38:02 <krytzz> distro?
2432 2011-04-14 22:38:15 <scoots> Default amazon ami 64
2433 2011-04-14 22:38:23 <krytzz> dont know that
2434 2011-04-14 22:38:28 <scoots> Debian
2435 2011-04-14 22:38:49 <phantomcircuit> scoots, that's saying you have an ancient glibc
2436 2011-04-14 22:39:20 <krytzz> try apt-get install libstdc++6 if it isnt there
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2439 2011-04-14 22:41:31 <scoots> Screw this it's actually centos
2440 2011-04-14 22:41:34 <scoots> I have yum
2441 2011-04-14 22:41:53 <scoots> Maybe switch to some other distro?
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2443 2011-04-14 22:42:15 <scoots> Working like a charm on ubuntu 10.10 I know (:
2444 2011-04-14 22:42:36 <krytzz> its probably less effort than trying something
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2449 2011-04-14 22:47:38 <scoots> exit
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2453 2011-04-14 22:52:08 <grbgout> do any of the miners automatically adjust based on PC usage? That is, do any of the miners automatically slow down, or stop, their mining based on what the PC is doing? Say, for example, I start watching a movie with the PC, do any of the miners adjust for optimal load balancing: playback performance vs mining hash rate?
2454 2011-04-14 22:52:27 <grbgout> sorry to be so long winded, don't seem to have cultivated the vocabulary to be succinct.
2455 2011-04-14 22:53:09 <doublec> other than running at a lower priority, I don't think so
2456 2011-04-14 22:53:40 <gjs278> I want to modify poclbm to respect that
2457 2011-04-14 22:53:45 <gjs278> but I cant get it to adjust frames on the fly
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2459 2011-04-14 22:54:09 <krytzz> grbgout: for cpu miners its no problem, gpu no idea
2460 2011-04-14 22:54:41 <grbgout> krytzz: no problem in what respect? They're coded to inherently do so, or they have such functionality written into them?
2461 2011-04-14 22:55:07 <phantomcircuit> it's hard to do with a gpu miner
2462 2011-04-14 22:55:09 <[Tycho]> Wow, $1 reached :)
2463 2011-04-14 22:55:36 <Dark_Ghost> i really hope i can find my wallet.dat file
2464 2011-04-14 22:57:52 <krytzz> grbgout: you can adjust the priority in the os for the miner process
2465 2011-04-14 23:01:33 <phantomcircuit> krytzz, no you cant
2466 2011-04-14 23:01:39 <phantomcircuit> krytzz, that wont deal with the gpu
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2469 2011-04-14 23:08:01 <krytzz> phantomcircuit: yeah i mean cpu miner
2470 2011-04-14 23:08:45 <[Tycho]> grbgout, you can use -f argument of poclbm
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2472 2011-04-14 23:09:05 <phantomcircuit> krytzz, if you're using the cpu miner you're doin it wrong
2473 2011-04-14 23:09:42 <krytzz> phantomcircuit: i know, only wanted to respond to grbgout's question
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2475 2011-04-14 23:12:29 <sipa> forums down?
2476 2011-04-14 23:12:53 <tcatm> nope
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2478 2011-04-14 23:16:41 <sipa> strange... from my vps things work fine
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2483 2011-04-14 23:24:20 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
2484 2011-04-14 23:24:21 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1,"low":0.91,"vol":29588,"buy":0.9556,"sell":0.9997,"last":0.9997}}
2485 2011-04-14 23:24:27 <JFK911> ;;bc,calc 760000
2486 2011-04-14 23:24:39 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 760000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 5 days, 9 hours, 16 minutes, and 6 seconds
2487 2011-04-14 23:24:47 <JFK911> ;bc,calc 400000
2488 2011-04-14 23:24:52 <JFK911> ;;bc,calc 400000
2489 2011-04-14 23:24:53 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 400000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 1 week, 3 days, 5 hours, 36 minutes, and 36 seconds
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2491 2011-04-14 23:28:41 <baslisks> hey, how would I go about installing bitcoin on ubuntu 11.4?
2492 2011-04-14 23:30:05 <gjs278> first you must draw a pentagram on the floor
2493 2011-04-14 23:30:24 <gjs278> summon the demon harpy by repeating the word bitcoin backwards 7 times
2494 2011-04-14 23:30:24 <baslisks> damn
2495 2011-04-14 23:30:29 <gjs278> on the 8th time, close your eyes
2496 2011-04-14 23:30:36 <gjs278> you will be in a cave
2497 2011-04-14 23:30:48 <gjs278> in this cave, there will be a computer
2498 2011-04-14 23:30:53 <gjs278> do not turn on the computer just yet
2499 2011-04-14 23:31:14 <krytzz> there is no natty package yet
2500 2011-04-14 23:31:26 <gjs278> suddenly a bear will appear
2501 2011-04-14 23:31:32 <krytzz> you can try this https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2623.0 but its an older version
2502 2011-04-14 23:31:41 <gjs278> you will fit this bear for your life. if you die in the dream, you die in real life.
2503 2011-04-14 23:32:25 <gjs278> http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.3.20/bitcoin-0.3.20.2-linux.tar.gz/download then you will download this
2504 2011-04-14 23:32:30 <gjs278> inside, there may be a bin folder
2505 2011-04-14 23:32:38 <gjs278> if there is, the client is right there and you can run it that way
2506 2011-04-14 23:32:54 <gjs278> the libraries are staticly linked and may fail to load the gui if your xwidgets isnt high enough
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2509 2011-04-14 23:36:18 <baslisks> thanks
2510 2011-04-14 23:36:21 <baslisks> trying that
2511 2011-04-14 23:36:35 <gjs278> make sure you don't skip any of the steps
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2513 2011-04-14 23:38:03 <purplezky> you forgot the last step, donate some bitcoins to 15VjRaDX9zpbA8LVnbrCAFzrVzN7ixHNsC
2514 2011-04-14 23:38:56 <tcatm> the steps to buy those bitcoins are missing, too
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2540 2011-04-14 23:58:32 <tcatm> any ideas how I could round an unixtimestamp to mondays?
2541 2011-04-14 23:58:50 <jrabbit> tcatm: convert it to a better format
2542 2011-04-14 23:58:53 <jrabbit> whats language?
2543 2011-04-14 23:59:24 <jrabbit> convert to year month,dayname change day -> unix
2544 2011-04-14 23:59:34 <tcatm> python
2545 2011-04-14 23:59:46 <jrabbit> use datetime.