1 2011-04-15 00:00:02 <tcatm> how would I do it with datetime?
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3 2011-04-15 00:00:11 <jrabbit> read the docs.
4 2011-04-15 00:00:16 <jrabbit> er maybe not datatime
5 2011-04-15 00:00:18 <jrabbit> but time
6 2011-04-15 00:01:05 <jrabbit> I did last = time.mktime(time.strptime(d['last-edit'], "%a %b %d %H:%M:%S %Y %Z")) recently :)
7 2011-04-15 00:01:32 <tcatm> converting it is now a problem
8 2011-04-15 00:01:47 <jrabbit> RTFM
9 2011-04-15 00:01:49 <jrabbit> its addressed.
10 2011-04-15 00:02:34 <tcatm> s/now/not/
11 2011-04-15 00:02:40 <jrabbit> :P
12 2011-04-15 00:02:47 <jrabbit> then you're done? :P
13 2011-04-15 00:02:53 <tcatm> nope
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15 2011-04-15 00:03:42 <jrabbit> convert
16 2011-04-15 00:03:45 <tcatm> 10 BTC for solution :)
17 2011-04-15 00:03:46 <jrabbit> then access .day
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19 2011-04-15 00:03:51 <jrabbit> orly?
20 2011-04-15 00:04:00 <jrabbit> is it a proper unix time?
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22 2011-04-15 00:04:04 <jrabbit> no decimals?
23 2011-04-15 00:04:28 <tcatm> yep. input: unixtime as integer, output unixtime rounded down to nearest weekday
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25 2011-04-15 00:04:53 <jrabbit> weekday not monday?
26 2011-04-15 00:05:10 <jrabbit> handling all weekdays would complikcate the day # math
27 2011-04-15 00:05:11 <tcatm> I might want to round to different days later
28 2011-04-15 00:05:23 <jrabbit> you know enoguh python to do it probably :P
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30 2011-04-15 00:05:49 <tcatm> easy way to earn 10 BTC ;)
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36 2011-04-15 00:09:48 <EPiSKiNG> Anyone have experience with 2 5970s?
37 2011-04-15 00:10:38 <EPiSKiNG> For some reason Afterburner isn't affecting the 4th GPU... doesn't show temp or fan speed, and when I Overclock, all the clocks adjust except the 4th one...
38 2011-04-15 00:10:41 <EPiSKiNG> win7 x64
39 2011-04-15 00:10:59 <tcatm> use linux
40 2011-04-15 00:11:39 <underscor> ^
41 2011-04-15 00:11:47 <jrabbit> AttributeError: attribute 'day' of 'datetime.date' objects is not writable
42 2011-04-15 00:11:49 <jrabbit> lol
43 2011-04-15 00:11:54 <jrabbit> SMART
44 2011-04-15 00:12:11 <EPiSKiNG> any linux distro?
45 2011-04-15 00:12:17 <EPiSKiNG> and how would I overclock in linux?
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48 2011-04-15 00:12:47 <underscor> EPiSKiNG: BIOS?
49 2011-04-15 00:13:51 <gjs278> in linux
50 2011-04-15 00:13:54 <gjs278> you overclock with aticonfig
51 2011-04-15 00:13:59 <gjs278> it can go higher than your stable
52 2011-04-15 00:14:08 <gjs278> however, if you need voltage, you need to bios
53 2011-04-15 00:14:18 <underscor> d'oh, /me wasn't paying attention to what he was actually trying to overclock
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55 2011-04-15 00:17:39 * [Tycho] currently experiencing 2x5970 in windows :)
56 2011-04-15 00:17:54 <purplezky> tcatm: sub unixtimestamptodate($) { my ($sec,$min,$hour,$mday,$mon,$year,$wday,$yday) = localtime(shift); return timelocal(0,0,0,$mday,$mon,$year,0,0);}
57 2011-04-15 00:18:12 <jrabbit> purplezky: lol
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60 2011-04-15 00:19:15 <purplezky> he probably wanted a math trick
61 2011-04-15 00:19:43 <purplezky> like doing modulus 60*60*24
62 2011-04-15 00:19:52 <purplezky> and subtracting
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65 2011-04-15 00:21:33 <purplezky> tcatm: timestamp -= timestamp% (60*60*24);
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70 2011-04-15 00:24:16 <tcatm> purplezky: doesn't that just round to midnight?
71 2011-04-15 00:24:29 <purplezky> yes, you want something else ?
72 2011-04-15 00:24:32 <tcatm> yep
73 2011-04-15 00:24:35 <tcatm> round to mondays
74 2011-04-15 00:24:54 <jrabbit> purplezky: you're using perl...
75 2011-04-15 00:24:57 <purplezky> tcatm: timestamp -= timestamp% (60*60*24*7);
76 2011-04-15 00:25:19 <purplezky> jrabbit: among others yes
77 2011-04-15 00:25:50 <tcatm> that rounds to thursdays ;)
78 2011-04-15 00:26:15 <jrabbit> lol
79 2011-04-15 00:26:25 <purplezky> so subtract 60*60*24*4
80 2011-04-15 00:26:31 <purplezky> to get a monday
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82 2011-04-15 00:26:59 <jrabbit> my way would work any day :P
83 2011-04-15 00:27:10 <tcatm> hmm that might actually work
84 2011-04-15 00:27:17 <tcatm> now if I only could tweak it to work with months
85 2011-04-15 00:27:29 <jrabbit> lol
86 2011-04-15 00:27:31 <purplezky> same thing
87 2011-04-15 00:27:38 <jrabbit> purplezky: modulo works well damn it
88 2011-04-15 00:27:39 <jrabbit> >:(
89 2011-04-15 00:27:51 <purplezky> err no months don't work
90 2011-04-15 00:28:02 <purplezky> they're not evenly distributed
91 2011-04-15 00:28:05 <jrabbit> hah!
92 2011-04-15 00:28:08 <jrabbit> >:3
93 2011-04-15 00:28:16 <tcatm> yep
94 2011-04-15 00:28:25 <tcatm> I could probably cheat for months, though
95 2011-04-15 00:28:30 <purplezky> tcatm: you want c, perl or something else ?
96 2011-04-15 00:28:35 <tcatm> python + SQL
97 2011-04-15 00:28:55 <jrabbit> datetimedatetime.replace()
98 2011-04-15 00:28:58 <tcatm> http://pastebin.com/V9YGg9D8
99 2011-04-15 00:29:10 <jrabbit> jesus fuck
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101 2011-04-15 00:29:35 <tcatm> I'll write a new query for months
102 2011-04-15 00:29:52 <tcatm> or convert everything to real timestamps instead of unixtime
103 2011-04-15 00:30:00 <purplezky> i would rewrite the query with FROM_UNIXTIME() and then do string match on that
104 2011-04-15 00:30:03 <jrabbit> darkside of python
105 2011-04-15 00:30:20 <kiba> bout time that we reached 1 dollars per bitcoin
106 2011-04-15 00:30:20 <jrabbit> lol I'll stop hacking on this
107 2011-04-15 00:30:26 <tcatm> jrabbit: the dark side are generator expressions and I love them!
108 2011-04-15 00:30:35 <jrabbit> tcatm: oneliner = BAD
109 2011-04-15 00:30:37 <jrabbit> >:(
110 2011-04-15 00:30:43 <jrabbit> totally not readable
111 2011-04-15 00:30:52 <jrabbit> how are you doing indention in that lol
112 2011-04-15 00:30:53 <tcatm> :syntax on
113 2011-04-15 00:31:02 <jrabbit> hm?
114 2011-04-15 00:31:44 <tcatm> vim ;)
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116 2011-04-15 00:33:20 <jrabbit> still where does that go how the balls does python not explode on that
117 2011-04-15 00:33:34 <tcatm> hashrate = 278.0/725.0 * float(sum([x['clock'] if 'clock' in x else x['ramp'] for x in [k[1] for k in chain(*[m['gpus'].items() for m in miners])]]))
118 2011-04-15 00:34:01 <jrabbit> tcatm: rofl this is such an abuse
119 2011-04-15 00:34:08 <jrabbit> http://i.imgur.com/O7Hui.jpg
120 2011-04-15 00:34:23 <jrabbit> ^ this picture is almost as far away from pythonic as that :P
121 2011-04-15 00:34:58 <tcatm> I'm not a python coder. I even use tabs! :)
122 2011-04-15 00:36:01 <jrabbit> ಠ_à²
123 2011-04-15 00:36:13 <slush> anybody still remember mistery miner's wallet?
124 2011-04-15 00:36:52 <purplezky> i thought the mystery miner was an urban legend ;)
125 2011-04-15 00:36:58 <slush> no
126 2011-04-15 00:37:03 <gjs278> http://blockexplorer.com/address/12YZ8ubTBJHeWRtxFnRpmrgJuxaUv2nCQY is this it
127 2011-04-15 00:37:21 <slush> oh yes, thanks :)
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129 2011-04-15 00:38:06 <purplezky> wow 50k BTC mined ?
130 2011-04-15 00:38:16 <gjs278> look at the time period too
131 2011-04-15 00:38:21 <slush> purplezky: and now see timestamps...
132 2011-04-15 00:39:07 <purplezky> in 13 min
133 2011-04-15 00:39:37 <purplezky> talk about hashing power
134 2011-04-15 00:39:42 <gjs278> I think mystery miner is a pretty cool guy. eh mines all the cions and doesnt afraid of anything.
135 2011-04-15 00:40:21 <slush> well, it wasn't mined in 13 minutes, of course
136 2011-04-15 00:40:38 <purplezky> or he understood this paper: http://eprint.iacr.org/2009/479.pdf
137 2011-04-15 00:41:07 <gjs278> I don't see why he gave up
138 2011-04-15 00:41:23 <gjs278> I would have ran mined every last coin
139 2011-04-15 00:41:37 <gjs278> do it for 12 days, stop, let the difficulty lower, do it again
140 2011-04-15 00:41:42 <slush> original MM wallet is http://blockexplorer.com/address/1PT3YvvKnNqT1513Vs9dZ59eU1gq7xQADc , he received block rewards here
141 2011-04-15 00:42:04 <slush> I think that longer run of botnet is pretty risky
142 2011-04-15 00:42:15 <slush> and 50k BTC is quite enough for such fast action
143 2011-04-15 00:42:55 <gjs278> he printed every coin out and is swimming in them now
144 2011-04-15 00:43:05 <slush> also he is interested in bitcoin stability now, mining more coins would have impact in bitcoin trust...
145 2011-04-15 00:43:17 <gjs278> yeah
146 2011-04-15 00:43:22 <gjs278> because he can cash in later if he does nothing
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148 2011-04-15 00:43:28 <gjs278> but if he ruins it for everyone the coins are worthless
149 2011-04-15 00:43:34 <gjs278> and himself
150 2011-04-15 00:43:38 <slush> that's the reason why I think he won't repeat his action again
151 2011-04-15 00:43:48 <tcatm> mhm this timestamp problem is tricky :/
152 2011-04-15 00:43:57 <jrabbit> gjs278: I don't think the difficulty can belowered can it?
153 2011-04-15 00:43:59 <gjs278> get off of unix timestamps as step 1
154 2011-04-15 00:44:01 <gjs278> it can
155 2011-04-15 00:44:08 <gjs278> it did after he stopped mining
156 2011-04-15 00:44:11 <slush> it already was
157 2011-04-15 00:44:14 <jrabbit> oh.
158 2011-04-15 00:44:15 <jrabbit> hm.
159 2011-04-15 00:44:21 <jrabbit> I didn't know that
160 2011-04-15 00:44:33 <tcatm> gjs278: yeah, during next rewrite.
161 2011-04-15 00:44:42 <gjs278> I hate when I get an api
162 2011-04-15 00:44:45 <purplezky> he's probably waiting to cash out when the block reward lowers and bitcoin value doubles
163 2011-04-15 00:44:45 <noagendamarket> maybe hes creating easy and hard mining periods
164 2011-04-15 00:44:46 <gjs278> and it's all unix timestamps
165 2011-04-15 00:44:54 <gjs278> I want to actually be able to read the time
166 2011-04-15 00:44:57 <gjs278> without having to convert it
167 2011-04-15 00:45:23 <phantomcircuit_> gjs278, noob
168 2011-04-15 00:45:28 <jrabbit> then use time.strftime()
169 2011-04-15 00:45:31 <jrabbit> I think.
170 2011-04-15 00:45:32 <gjs278> quick
171 2011-04-15 00:45:34 <gjs278> read
172 2011-04-15 00:45:35 <gjs278> 1302822270
173 2011-04-15 00:45:37 <gjs278> you have 5 seconds
174 2011-04-15 00:45:57 <baslisks> we failed
175 2011-04-15 00:45:57 <gjs278> too late, the bomb exploded
176 2011-04-15 00:46:02 <purplezky> or just use http://www.epochconverter.com/
177 2011-04-15 00:46:16 <gjs278> or get a timestamp that I can read just by looking at it?????
178 2011-04-15 00:46:27 <phantomcircuit_> gjs278, the timestamp has to be exact
179 2011-04-15 00:46:30 <tcatm> well, my charting lib expects unixtimestamps
180 2011-04-15 00:46:45 <phantomcircuit_> gjs278, if you run it through shit you'll almost certainly fuck something up
181 2011-04-15 00:46:49 <tcatm> so avoiding to convert that for every datapoint is woth it
182 2011-04-15 00:46:51 <tcatm> worth*
183 2011-04-15 00:46:52 <purplezky> gjs278: timestamp are supposed to be machine readable, write a script to convert the output if you need to
184 2011-04-15 00:46:57 <gjs278> no
185 2011-04-15 00:47:04 <jrabbit> tcatm: its not exactly complex.
186 2011-04-15 00:47:06 <gjs278> unix timestamp is not more accurate than a second
187 2011-04-15 00:47:23 <jrabbit> i.e. you can convert it in like no time at all
188 2011-04-15 00:47:25 <gjs278> so it's not anymore "exact" than just displaying the year month day hour minute second
189 2011-04-15 00:47:37 <purplezky> it's sortable :)
190 2011-04-15 00:47:46 <jrabbit> and its trivial to convert in python if its formated standardly
191 2011-04-15 00:47:57 <phantomcircuit_> gjs278, if you use the Date/Datetime functions of msot programming languages i guarantee you'll find that seconds change
192 2011-04-15 00:48:00 <gjs278> so it 2011-04-30
193 2011-04-15 00:48:07 <phantomcircuit_> jrabbit, python honors leap seconds
194 2011-04-15 00:48:18 <phantomcircuit_> almost silence bug
195 2011-04-15 00:48:19 <gjs278> there's a leap minute from not too long ago
196 2011-04-15 00:48:35 <[Tycho]> Is there a way to download a bios image from one 5970 and flash it into another ? :)
197 2011-04-15 00:48:36 <jrabbit> phantomcircuit_: datetime doesn't
198 2011-04-15 00:48:41 <gjs278> Unix time, or POSIX time, is a system for describing points in time, defined as the number of seconds elapsed since midnight Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) of January 1, 1970, not counting leap seconds. It is used widely, not only in Unix-like operating systems, but also in many other computing systems and file formats. It is neither a linear representation of time nor a true representation of UTC (though it is frequently mistaken
199 2011-04-15 00:48:43 <gjs278> for both), as it cannot represent standard UTC leap seconds (e.g. December 31, 1998 23:59:60), although otherwise the times it represents are UTC. Unix time may be checked on some Unix systems by typing date +%s on the command line.
200 2011-04-15 00:48:50 <phantomcircuit_> jrabbit, i've had problems with it in the past
201 2011-04-15 00:48:50 <jrabbit> phantomcircuit_: well it might if the system time is "wrong"
202 2011-04-15 00:48:50 <gjs278> [Tycho]: yes
203 2011-04-15 00:48:51 <purplezky> you should run NTP and sync your time anyhow
204 2011-04-15 00:49:03 <gjs278> but I wouldn't do that unless you knew it would work before hand
205 2011-04-15 00:49:07 <[Tycho]> gjs278, it's for the bios itself of settings only ?
206 2011-04-15 00:49:15 <gjs278> get gpu-z
207 2011-04-15 00:49:21 <gjs278> you can get the bios off of any card you have
208 2011-04-15 00:49:35 <gjs278> and then you can use RBE to adjust it, and then atiflash to actually flash it
209 2011-04-15 00:49:37 <[Tycho]> I have two 5970 with different bios versions.
210 2011-04-15 00:49:46 <gjs278> if you think it will work go for it
211 2011-04-15 00:50:02 <gjs278> gpu-z can dump the bios from your cards
212 2011-04-15 00:50:33 <kiba> aren't we're getting rid of leap seconds?
213 2011-04-15 00:50:35 <[Tycho]> One of cards hangs when mining on both of it's GPUs with CrossfireX
214 2011-04-15 00:50:46 <gjs278> I don't think you're supposed to crossfire
215 2011-04-15 00:51:03 <gjs278> unless crossfirex is something different
216 2011-04-15 00:51:13 <[Tycho]> Crossfire should be enable to mine on 5970 in Windows.
217 2011-04-15 00:51:29 <purplezky> i wonder if there is a way to compute the amount of days in a month in one formula
218 2011-04-15 00:51:31 <gjs278> also make sure you grab a backup bios of the second card
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220 2011-04-15 00:51:54 <gjs278> $array = (31, 28....)
221 2011-04-15 00:51:59 <[Tycho]> Not sure if it's a bios version probled or just a faulty card
222 2011-04-15 00:52:03 <purplezky> that would not work for leap years
223 2011-04-15 00:52:18 <gjs278> if($leap_year) { $array = (31, 29...)
224 2011-04-15 00:52:32 <purplezky> you got the formula for $leap_year ?
225 2011-04-15 00:52:34 <purplezky> :)
226 2011-04-15 00:52:36 <gjs278> yes
227 2011-04-15 00:53:22 <purplezky> it's like divided by 4 except if it divides by 100 unless it divides by 400 or something
228 2011-04-15 00:53:25 <jrabbit> $make_time_simple_damnnit
229 2011-04-15 00:53:28 <purplezky> i honestly don't remember
230 2011-04-15 00:53:29 <gjs278> if year modulo 400 is 0
231 2011-04-15 00:53:30 <gjs278> then is_leap_year
232 2011-04-15 00:53:32 <gjs278> else if year modulo 100 is 0
233 2011-04-15 00:53:33 <gjs278> then not_leap_year
234 2011-04-15 00:53:35 <gjs278> else if year modulo 4 is 0
235 2011-04-15 00:53:36 <gjs278> then is_leap_year
236 2011-04-15 00:53:38 <gjs278> else
237 2011-04-15 00:53:39 <gjs278> not_leap_year
238 2011-04-15 00:53:41 <gjs278> there you go
239 2011-04-15 00:53:45 <purplezky> right
240 2011-04-15 00:54:05 <jrabbit> #bitcoin-dev coding with gjs278
241 2011-04-15 00:54:06 <purplezky> then i remember correctly
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243 2011-04-15 00:54:09 <gjs278> exactly
244 2011-04-15 00:54:12 <jrabbit> a little modulo here
245 2011-04-15 00:54:17 <jrabbit> and a nice blue sky
246 2011-04-15 00:54:24 <purplezky> :)
247 2011-04-15 00:54:31 <gjs278> I don't screw around with timestamps and try to do tricky math to get days and months or whatever
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251 2011-04-15 00:55:39 <jrabbit> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/70/Bob_at_Easel.jpg
252 2011-04-15 00:56:04 <gjs278> YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS
253 2011-04-15 00:56:06 <gjs278> use that
254 2011-04-15 00:56:27 <tcatm> how do you get the weekday from that?
255 2011-04-15 00:56:30 <gjs278> if you need to do something math to it, use a time function and hack away
256 2011-04-15 00:56:48 <gjs278> even php date() and mktime() can get a weekday from that
257 2011-04-15 00:57:24 <jrabbit> python even has a weekday()
258 2011-04-15 00:57:46 <jrabbit> why do you need rounding for logging???
259 2011-04-15 00:58:59 <tcatm> me?
260 2011-04-15 00:59:21 <gjs278> it looks like he's trying to get the hash rate so he would need to round it
261 2011-04-15 00:59:24 <gjs278> or something
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265 2011-04-15 00:59:38 <tcatm> I try to add weekly charts.
266 2011-04-15 00:59:42 <gjs278> I've read like 10 queries so far I don't know what one we're still on
267 2011-04-15 01:00:19 <purplezky> Yes! daysinmonth = (month==2?(((year % 400 == 0) && (year % 100 != 0) && (year % 4 == 0))?29:28):(((month/2) % 2 == 0)?31:30));
268 2011-04-15 01:00:46 <jrabbit> purplezky: lol
269 2011-04-15 01:00:56 <jrabbit> tcatm: oh thats easy
270 2011-04-15 01:01:00 <jrabbit> just start on day ==1
271 2011-04-15 01:01:05 <gjs278> purplezky: does that account for july and august
272 2011-04-15 01:01:22 <purplezky> it divides by two, august is like january
273 2011-04-15 01:01:34 <jrabbit> purplezky: lol what language is that
274 2011-04-15 01:01:36 <gjs278> july has 31 days, so does august
275 2011-04-15 01:01:42 <gjs278> that returns 31 for both right
276 2011-04-15 01:01:46 <purplezky> right
277 2011-04-15 01:01:56 <EPiSKiNG> ;;bc,stats
278 2011-04-15 01:02:15 <gjs278> I don't see how that would return 31 two times in a row
279 2011-04-15 01:02:17 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118419 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 524 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 2 hours, 31 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92738.42114354
280 2011-04-15 01:02:23 <tcatm> jrabbit: how?
281 2011-04-15 01:02:26 <purplezky> jrabbit: could be c or perl if you add $ to the variables
282 2011-04-15 01:02:40 <gjs278> oh nevermind
283 2011-04-15 01:02:42 <jrabbit> datetimeobj.day
284 2011-04-15 01:02:42 <gjs278> I see it
285 2011-04-15 01:02:45 <jrabbit> :P
286 2011-04-15 01:02:57 <jrabbit> purplezky: heh
287 2011-04-15 01:03:39 <gjs278> actually I still dont see how it would work
288 2011-04-15 01:04:09 <baslisks> could you hook a boinc client into the mining stuff and do distributed calcs through there?
289 2011-04-15 01:04:18 <purplezky> i'm writing period selections on unixtimestamps for a project
290 2011-04-15 01:04:23 <tcatm> baslisks: nope. latency is too high
291 2011-04-15 01:04:33 <gjs278> purplezky have that thing return an array of all the months with their days next to it
292 2011-04-15 01:04:36 <gjs278> I want to see it
293 2011-04-15 01:04:41 <baslisks> whats the best way to get into a mining pool then?
294 2011-04-15 01:04:43 <purplezky> mkay
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296 2011-04-15 01:04:55 <grondilu> So... is parity coming back or something ?
297 2011-04-15 01:05:06 <gjs278> IT ALREADY HAS JOIN THE PARITY PARTY
298 2011-04-15 01:05:24 <tcoppi> lol
299 2011-04-15 01:05:24 <purplezky> *does the parity dance*
300 2011-04-15 01:05:39 <grondilu> raise your hands... \o/
301 2011-04-15 01:05:48 <Blitzboom> \o/
302 2011-04-15 01:07:02 * slush is looking forward 2$/BTC now
303 2011-04-15 01:07:50 * tcatm is waiting for 1â¬/BTC
304 2011-04-15 01:07:53 <[Tycho]> Looks like $1 barrier isn't penetrated :)
305 2011-04-15 01:08:16 <tcoppi> $2/BTC will be fun
306 2011-04-15 01:08:46 <slush> of course it isn't thru yet. But bitcoin is going fine, no reason to stick on 1$ :)
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309 2011-04-15 01:13:56 <gjs278> if I needed the money I would cash out on bitcoins, but I don't, so I'm holding onto them for awhile
310 2011-04-15 01:14:11 * Blitzboom is waiting for 1000â¬/BTC
311 2011-04-15 01:14:23 <gjs278> don't worry
312 2011-04-15 01:14:26 <gjs278> once hyperinflation hits
313 2011-04-15 01:14:30 <gjs278> your dream will come true
314 2011-04-15 01:14:35 <Blitzboom> haha
315 2011-04-15 01:14:48 <Blitzboom> i mean 1000⬠with current purchasing power
316 2011-04-15 01:14:51 <Blitzboom> :(
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318 2011-04-15 01:16:01 <dreamer_> MagicalTux: I sent $500 dollars cash to Mt Gox in the mail two days ago... I hope it just hasn't gotten there yet :(
319 2011-04-15 01:16:27 <dreamer_> my Mt Gox user name is dreamer
320 2011-04-15 01:16:33 <gjs278> you trust your postman a little too much
321 2011-04-15 01:16:37 <jgarzik> what's your password?
322 2011-04-15 01:16:47 <gjs278> hunter2
323 2011-04-15 01:16:49 <dreamer_> nice try jgarik
324 2011-04-15 01:17:02 <antivigilante> hunter2 LOL
325 2011-04-15 01:17:08 <dreamer_> jgarzik
326 2011-04-15 01:17:24 <antivigilante> inb4 bash.org junkie
327 2011-04-15 01:17:27 <gjs278> I can confirm his password is "nice try jgarik"
328 2011-04-15 01:18:35 <dreamer_> I guess I'll wait a day then have a report in the forums... but ya it should have arrived at Mt Gox by now
329 2011-04-15 01:19:00 <antivigilante> so i accidentally did bitcoind setaccount <mybitcoinaddress> "MyBitcoin"
330 2011-04-15 01:19:08 <antivigilante> How do I fix that?
331 2011-04-15 01:19:24 <gjs278> what does that do
332 2011-04-15 01:19:28 <antivigilante> it shows two addresses there now
333 2011-04-15 01:19:41 <gjs278> open up the gui and fix it that way
334 2011-04-15 01:19:54 <antivigilante> no gui for debian :/
335 2011-04-15 01:20:01 <gjs278> 64-bit?
336 2011-04-15 01:20:14 <dreamer_> MagicalTux , is he ever active?
337 2011-04-15 01:20:18 <gjs278> or is it due to wxwidgeets not being up to date for you
338 2011-04-15 01:20:22 <gjs278> he is
339 2011-04-15 01:20:27 <gjs278> he stalks in the background
340 2011-04-15 01:20:29 <MagicalTux> dreamer_, I think you sent to bitcoin morpheus, not to mtgox
341 2011-04-15 01:20:36 <dreamer_> ya
342 2011-04-15 01:20:37 <MagicalTux> he handles cash=>mtg
343 2011-04-15 01:20:38 <antivigilante> 64-bit
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345 2011-04-15 01:20:53 <gjs278> I can give you my binary and you can try it
346 2011-04-15 01:21:08 <antivigilante> mk :)
347 2011-04-15 01:21:08 <gjs278> unless you've already tried that and it didnt work
348 2011-04-15 01:21:19 <Big_Brother> what does it mean when poclbm says 'checking xxxxxxxxx <= xxxx' ?
349 2011-04-15 01:21:32 <gjs278> http://garyshood.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.gz
350 2011-04-15 01:22:10 <gjs278> I've never had it say that to me
351 2011-04-15 01:22:39 <gjs278> do you have on debug mode or something
352 2011-04-15 01:23:20 <antivigilante> i have to wait until it installs some updates
353 2011-04-15 01:23:49 <dreamer_> MagicalTux: well, my user name is dreamer if you happen to look into it... i'm not real worried yet but tomorrow I will be
354 2011-04-15 01:24:26 <gjs278> too bad you missed out on the 80 cent bitcoin buy
355 2011-04-15 01:24:49 <antivigilante> paypal messed with my ability to get bitcoin
356 2011-04-15 01:24:58 <MagicalTux> dreamer_, ask bitcoin morpheus, not me
357 2011-04-15 01:25:23 <dreamer_> ok
358 2011-04-15 01:26:30 <baslisks> so has anyone made a micro transaction bot to buy and sell for cents?
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360 2011-04-15 01:27:56 <noagendamarket> baslinks why?
361 2011-04-15 01:28:07 <noagendamarket> mt gox charges per transaction
362 2011-04-15 01:28:57 <Blitzboom> there are bots though
363 2011-04-15 01:29:01 taco_the_paco has joined
364 2011-04-15 01:29:19 <Blitzboom> trying to make profit from the spread
365 2011-04-15 01:29:45 <noagendamarket> a lot of the volume is bots :)
366 2011-04-15 01:30:22 <baslisks> real money and stocks have microtransaction algos that they use ti make cents on sales and sales volume
367 2011-04-15 01:30:22 <Blitzboom> i donât think so
368 2011-04-15 01:30:31 <Blitzboom> a lot of the trades are bots, but certainly not lots of the volume
369 2011-04-15 01:30:51 <luke-jr> what n00b is selling for under parity? -.-
370 2011-04-15 01:30:58 <baslisks> figured a crypto currency would attract them
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372 2011-04-15 01:31:19 <Blitzboom> luke-jr: maybe the same guy who panic sold for .56$
373 2011-04-15 01:32:16 <slush> and the same guy which will buy at 2$ (from me)
374 2011-04-15 01:32:28 <Blitzboom> is he for real, slush?
375 2011-04-15 01:32:40 <slush> sure :)
376 2011-04-15 01:32:48 <slush> actually I'm selling at parity
377 2011-04-15 01:32:51 <Blitzboom> so heâs made a contract with you to buy what you mine?
378 2011-04-15 01:33:27 <slush> I'm kidding, I don't know any guy selling at .56 and buying at 2$. But I believe there are such people
379 2011-04-15 01:34:05 <Blitzboom> alright. i also think itâs just a matter of time until some serious money is pumped into bitcoin
380 2011-04-15 01:34:18 <slush> I'm going to buy motorcycle on Saturday, so I need some cash :)
381 2011-04-15 01:34:41 <purplezky> gjs278: i corrected my typo http://pastebin.com/F2VUARbr
382 2011-04-15 01:35:01 <gjs278> there it is
383 2011-04-15 01:35:10 <gjs278> I knew a 7 or an 8 had to be there somewhere
384 2011-04-15 01:35:53 <purplezky> that was a 3 am error creeping in ;)
385 2011-04-15 01:36:03 <gjs278> thanks for rewriting date("t");
386 2011-04-15 01:36:15 <gjs278> Number of days in the given month
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388 2011-04-15 01:36:59 <purplezky> i needed it anyhow for my code
389 2011-04-15 01:37:41 <purplezky> the sooner this is done, the sooner i can continue my bitcoin projects
390 2011-04-15 01:40:21 <gjs278> well I don't see how you would... I mean basically everything you could want to do in terms of grabbing useful info is already in the date functions
391 2011-04-15 01:40:27 <gjs278> but it's a nice learning experience anyways
392 2011-04-15 01:40:34 <gjs278> plus if there's any bugs you can only blame yourself
393 2011-04-15 01:40:44 <gjs278> instead of tracking down an issue that will never get solved
394 2011-04-15 01:41:05 <purplezky> hmm i need functions that aren't in there
395 2011-04-15 01:41:48 <gjs278> well on that pastebin I dont think your language would be missing anything displayed in that snippet
396 2011-04-15 01:41:57 <purplezky> besides the date functions don't wrap properly cross year boundaries
397 2011-04-15 01:42:18 <gjs278> what do you mean
398 2011-04-15 01:42:27 <purplezky> when adding days
399 2011-04-15 01:42:32 <gjs278> oh ok
400 2011-04-15 01:43:04 <gjs278> idk, besides it being a little cryptic at times, I've never really had any problems with stuff like mktime
401 2011-04-15 01:43:47 <purplezky> mktime is php, i'm more of a perl monk
402 2011-04-15 01:43:58 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
403 2011-04-15 01:43:59 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1,"low":0.91,"vol":33785,"buy":0.986,"sell":0.99,"last":0.986}}
404 2011-04-15 01:44:30 <sacarlson> purplezky: I used perl it has very cool lib for time
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406 2011-04-15 01:44:33 <gjs278> purplezky put in september 1752
407 2011-04-15 01:44:43 <gjs278> and see if it returns the correct day count
408 2011-04-15 01:45:06 <gjs278> if it doesn't account for 3 - 13 missing then it's not a serious time library...
409 2011-04-15 01:45:26 <gjs278> that's how I knew cal was hardcore when someone took the time to put in that exception
410 2011-04-15 01:45:56 <purplezky> i'm working from unix timestamps, those start 1 january 1970
411 2011-04-15 01:46:11 <gjs278> dahhhh
412 2011-04-15 01:46:59 <gjs278> just put a negative sign in front of it
413 2011-04-15 01:47:17 <gjs278> you can hit all the way down to 1901
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415 2011-04-15 01:49:18 <purplezky> i never realized it was signed
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417 2011-04-15 01:49:42 <sacarlson> anyone ever turn the git release into a ubuntu deb package? or will I have to compile this on both my system?
418 2011-04-15 01:49:45 <purplezky> i just read why: "Dennis Ritchie, when asked about this issue, said that he hadn't thought very deeply about it, but was of the opinion that the ability to represent all times within his lifetime would be nice."
419 2011-04-15 01:50:16 <gjs278> I don't think ubuntu has wxwidgets high enough in their repo yet
420 2011-04-15 01:51:22 <sacarlson> gjs278: no they don't and not sure I can find it in ppa also but I had planed to only compile and package the bitcoind
421 2011-04-15 01:51:45 <purplezky> just do: make bitcoind
422 2011-04-15 01:51:47 <gjs278> I think the tar.gz has binaries in it
423 2011-04-15 01:51:54 <purplezky> then you on't need wxwidgets
424 2011-04-15 01:52:15 <gjs278> if you want the git release I don't think it's possible to .deb it without nightly builds or something
425 2011-04-15 01:52:24 <gjs278> because it updates often
426 2011-04-15 01:52:39 <tcatm> I'm close! (to rounding to weeks)
427 2011-04-15 01:52:54 <purplezky> still rounding to mondays ?
428 2011-04-15 01:53:04 <sacarlson> purplezky: I already compiled bitcoind without the wxwidgets on 10.04 but I want to also install it on a 10.10 and later 11.04 without another compile
429 2011-04-15 01:53:15 <tcatm> purplezky: yep
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431 2011-04-15 01:54:15 <gjs278> honestly, just take the binary and try it
432 2011-04-15 01:54:24 <purplezky> tcatm: timestamp -= (timestamp % (60*60*24*7))-(60*60*24*4);
433 2011-04-15 01:54:27 <gjs278> if you don't static compile it may work fine
434 2011-04-15 01:54:38 <purplezky> wasn't it working like i said ?
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436 2011-04-15 01:54:43 <tcatm> nope
437 2011-04-15 01:54:44 <sacarlson> gjs278: ok can't kill me to try that, I'll just make sure the libs it needs are installed
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439 2011-04-15 01:55:25 <gjs278> are you trying to figure out what week number a day took place in
440 2011-04-15 01:55:39 <gjs278> like week 30 of the year 2011
441 2011-04-15 01:55:41 <purplezky> rounding a unixtimestamp to a monday
442 2011-04-15 01:55:50 <tcatm> yep
443 2011-04-15 01:55:51 <gjs278> I don't get how you can round something to a day
444 2011-04-15 01:56:04 <tcatm> round a unixtime to start of week
445 2011-04-15 01:56:04 <gjs278> what is friday
446 2011-04-15 01:56:11 <gjs278> oh
447 2011-04-15 01:56:18 <gjs278> umm
448 2011-04-15 01:56:26 <gjs278> what about date("W")
449 2011-04-15 01:56:35 <gjs278> that tells you the week # some time took place in
450 2011-04-15 01:56:42 <gjs278> do they offer that for python's date library
451 2011-04-15 01:56:54 <gjs278> W ISO-8601 week number of year, weeks starting on Monday (added in PHP 4.1.0) Example: 42 (the 42nd week in the year)
452 2011-04-15 01:56:54 <tcatm> sure but that still doesn't round it
453 2011-04-15 01:57:09 <gjs278> it sounds like it rounds it
454 2011-04-15 01:57:15 <gjs278> week starting on monday
455 2011-04-15 01:58:07 <tcatm> I need a unixtime stamp
456 2011-04-15 01:59:06 <tcatm> s -= (s+345600) % 604800 - 86400 seems to work
457 2011-04-15 01:59:10 <gjs278> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2600775/how-to-get-week-number-in-python
458 2011-04-15 01:59:13 <grbgout> purplezky: what language are you working in?
459 2011-04-15 02:00:10 <gjs278> you can easily convert the unix timestamp to year-month-day and input it into isocalendar()
460 2011-04-15 02:00:37 <gjs278> but if math is your thing, go for it
461 2011-04-15 02:00:49 <tcatm> gjs278: yep and now do that > 10k times in a loop
462 2011-04-15 02:00:55 <purplezky> grbgout: perl
463 2011-04-15 02:00:56 <gjs278> how often
464 2011-04-15 02:01:03 <grbgout> "unix timestamp" do you mean the seconds since 1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC? 'cause that should work nicely with the python timedelta, which will do a lot of conversions for you.
465 2011-04-15 02:01:06 <grbgout> purplezky: ah
466 2011-04-15 02:01:06 <gjs278> if you have memcache it's not an issue
467 2011-04-15 02:01:07 <purplezky> or c
468 2011-04-15 02:01:29 <tcatm> gjs278: the date changes often (when new trades happen). memcaching that would be a nightmare
469 2011-04-15 02:01:32 <gjs278> some guy will just have to sit there for 2 seconds while the chart loads
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471 2011-04-15 02:01:55 <grbgout> I missed the beginning of this conversation, so I'll just refrain from comment.
472 2011-04-15 02:02:15 <tcatm> and if 4 guys do that my server is very busy..
473 2011-04-15 02:02:17 <gjs278> I still don't think it would be that slow
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475 2011-04-15 02:02:27 <gjs278> but
476 2011-04-15 02:02:29 antivigilante_ is now known as antivigilante
477 2011-04-15 02:02:31 <gjs278> I've got no benchmarks
478 2011-04-15 02:02:54 <tcatm> I need to do part of it in SQL
479 2011-04-15 02:03:12 <tcatm> so I don't have to parse those >10k results at all
480 2011-04-15 02:03:32 <gjs278> convert the unix timestamp to year-month-day, group the results back, parse in python?
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482 2011-04-15 02:06:54 <grbgout> gjs278: what's that about september 1752?
483 2011-04-15 02:07:06 <gjs278> there are missing days
484 2011-04-15 02:07:11 <gjs278> because of the calendar shift
485 2011-04-15 02:07:24 <grbgout> What calendar shift?
486 2011-04-15 02:07:26 <gjs278> http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/4342/screenshotcq.png
487 2011-04-15 02:07:33 <gjs278> in 1752 they had to change calendars
488 2011-04-15 02:07:51 <grbgout> From what to what, if you don't mind sparing me a google.
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490 2011-04-15 02:08:00 <gjs278> something to georgian I think
491 2011-04-15 02:08:06 <gjs278> probably julian
492 2011-04-15 02:08:12 <luke-jr> Gregorian*
493 2011-04-15 02:08:25 <grbgout> tcatm: why are you fiddling with the time conversion (if it's you), and if it's for displaying on bitcoincharts, then why not do it on javascript at the client end?
494 2011-04-15 02:08:27 <luke-jr> named after Pope Gregory, who created and promulgated it
495 2011-04-15 02:08:41 <gjs278> well
496 2011-04-15 02:08:42 <luke-jr> hence, protestants refused to accept it for a while
497 2011-04-15 02:08:45 <gjs278> if he's using fusion charts
498 2011-04-15 02:08:53 <gjs278> then you can't really do any js processing on the client end
499 2011-04-15 02:09:01 <gjs278> besides, no point locking up the clients browser
500 2011-04-15 02:09:12 <grbgout> not familiar with fusion charts, or any chart generation for web apps, actually.
501 2011-04-15 02:09:12 <gjs278> when the server is capable of handling it
502 2011-04-15 02:09:26 <gjs278> fusion I've only worked with it using xml as the input
503 2011-04-15 02:09:33 <grbgout> gjs278: right, but if he's talking about slowdowns and the like due to date conversion --- offload onto the client!
504 2011-04-15 02:09:34 <gjs278> not much room for js there
505 2011-04-15 02:09:54 <gjs278> I personally don't think there will be much of a slowdown... and if there was, legacy results could be cached
506 2011-04-15 02:10:16 <gjs278> but I'm not famiiar with the architecture 100%
507 2011-04-15 02:10:31 <gjs278> so he does know if date conversions on 10k of his rows will slow it down to a crawl
508 2011-04-15 02:13:02 <purplezky> tcatm: i tested my function and it works to round timestamps to mondays: my $monday = $aday - ($aday % (60*60*24*7)) - (60*60*24*2);
509 2011-04-15 02:14:29 <gjs278> http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=710571
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511 2011-04-15 02:14:43 <gjs278> print DateTime->now->week_number,"\n";
512 2011-04-15 02:14:51 <gjs278> replace now with the timestamp
513 2011-04-15 02:16:43 <purplezky> a mathematical formula can be aplied in any language, whether it be c, perl, php, sql
514 2011-04-15 02:16:56 <gjs278> all of those languages have date functions that will give you the week
515 2011-04-15 02:17:03 <gjs278> well ok
516 2011-04-15 02:17:05 <gjs278> maybe not sql
517 2011-04-15 02:17:07 <gjs278> havent checked yet
518 2011-04-15 02:17:16 <purplezky> he doesn't need the week
519 2011-04-15 02:17:26 <purplezky> he needs a timestamp
520 2011-04-15 02:17:36 <alias420> timestamp is impossible to get
521 2011-04-15 02:17:53 <gjs278> I don't think he needs a timestamp as a return
522 2011-04-15 02:18:02 <gjs278> I think he's inputting timestamps and wants the week out of that
523 2011-04-15 02:18:03 <tcatm> success! :)
524 2011-04-15 02:18:15 <gjs278> and then converting that week back to timestamp
525 2011-04-15 02:18:22 <gjs278> like midnight monday or whatever
526 2011-04-15 02:18:31 <gjs278> tcatm how fast is it
527 2011-04-15 02:18:43 <alias420> you can't convert a timestamp
528 2011-04-15 02:18:56 <gjs278> also
529 2011-04-15 02:18:58 <alias420> it's unpossible
530 2011-04-15 02:18:58 <gjs278> WEEK()
531 2011-04-15 02:19:05 <tcatm> gjs278: very fast
532 2011-04-15 02:19:16 <gjs278> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/date-and-time-functions.html#function_week
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534 2011-04-15 02:19:59 <tcatm> 49ms to parse > 20k rows and render chart
535 2011-04-15 02:20:10 <gjs278> they'd all be that fast but thats cool
536 2011-04-15 02:20:16 <gjs278> congrats
537 2011-04-15 02:20:20 <purplezky> nice
538 2011-04-15 02:20:53 <tcatm> http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#igWeeklyzvztgSzm1g10zm2g25
539 2011-04-15 02:23:00 <purplezky> huge candles
540 2011-04-15 02:23:35 <purplezky> but it's indeed blazing fast
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542 2011-04-15 02:25:36 <gjs278> we're in that channel of people running graphics cards doing 350,000khash a second
543 2011-04-15 02:25:53 <purplezky> hehe
544 2011-04-15 02:26:40 <purplezky> do you have your gpu's running on your webserver ?
545 2011-04-15 02:27:28 <gjs278> my web server doens't have such advanced technologies such as an open pci express slot
546 2011-04-15 02:27:32 <gjs278> it's also rackmount
547 2011-04-15 02:27:34 <gjs278> sooo
548 2011-04-15 02:28:13 <gjs278> and it's freebsd installation... all of that precious opencl going to waste
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553 2011-04-15 02:36:44 <gasteve> why was the UPNP feature implemented as a bunch of #ifdefs ?
554 2011-04-15 02:38:55 <luke-jr> gasteve: so you can compile without it ofc
555 2011-04-15 02:39:29 <gasteve> so, you have one executable that has UPNP support and one that doesn't?
556 2011-04-15 02:39:44 <gjs278> I think it's so you can turn it off
557 2011-04-15 02:39:48 <gjs278> if you don't want it
558 2011-04-15 02:39:52 <gjs278> not for multiple
559 2011-04-15 02:39:55 <gasteve> seems like it would be simpler to have a single executable that has support for UPNP
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561 2011-04-15 02:40:21 <gasteve> (and enable or disable via a switch or config setting)
562 2011-04-15 02:40:25 <purplezky> some people don't like UPNP because of the security implications of it opening ports
563 2011-04-15 02:40:36 <gjs278> plus compile time options are cool
564 2011-04-15 02:40:44 <underscor> ^
565 2011-04-15 02:40:45 <gasteve> well, just have it turned off by default
566 2011-04-15 02:40:53 <gjs278> I agree with that
567 2011-04-15 02:40:55 <gjs278> it should be off
568 2011-04-15 02:40:56 <gjs278> not on
569 2011-04-15 02:41:11 <tcatm> luke-jr: what's your email?
570 2011-04-15 02:41:15 <gjs278> also I'm pretty sure the library is still required by cc even when it's defined as "off"
571 2011-04-15 02:41:21 <purplezky> normal users don't configure their firewall, that's why it should be on by default
572 2011-04-15 02:41:40 <gjs278> no such thing as a normal bitcoin user
573 2011-04-15 02:42:17 <tcatm> luke-jr: I got an email from someone who has a question about -watch and thinks I'm running it.
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575 2011-04-15 02:42:35 <gasteve> if all features were only available if you compile with a certain #define, it would be a mess...you'd have to have an executable for every single combination of features available for people to download
576 2011-04-15 02:42:37 <luke-jr> tcatm: luke_bc_watch@dashjr.org
577 2011-04-15 02:43:01 <luke-jr> gasteve: not everyone runs Windows.
578 2011-04-15 02:43:16 <gasteve> what does that have to do with it?
579 2011-04-15 02:43:33 <luke-jr> gasteve: if you compile a binary with UPnP support, you need libminiupnp installed
580 2011-04-15 02:43:39 <luke-jr> even if you don't enable it
581 2011-04-15 02:43:55 <gasteve> just dynamically load it then
582 2011-04-15 02:44:00 <grbgout> wow, 5970s are expensive.
583 2011-04-15 02:44:03 <luke-jr> and yes, you should have an executable for every single combination of features.
584 2011-04-15 02:44:04 <gasteve> then you don't need it installed
585 2011-04-15 02:44:10 <luke-jr> that's how EVERYTHING works
586 2011-04-15 02:44:24 <gasteve> that's absurd
587 2011-04-15 02:44:27 <luke-jr> no.
588 2011-04-15 02:44:30 <luke-jr> it's sanity.
589 2011-04-15 02:44:38 <luke-jr> why should I install <dependency> if I don't want it?
590 2011-04-15 02:45:03 <purplezky> stripping unnecessary dependencies makes things small and fast
591 2011-04-15 02:45:19 <gasteve> you don't have to have a dependency on the lib to have support for it in the executable
592 2011-04-15 02:45:24 <luke-jr> yes you do
593 2011-04-15 02:45:37 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, usually things like that are provided as extensions
594 2011-04-15 02:45:43 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, which is why i <3 gentoo
595 2011-04-15 02:45:45 <luke-jr> short of writing even slower code that uses C's awful dynamic loading hacks
596 2011-04-15 02:45:50 <gasteve> so, explain to my why dynamic loading of the lib wouldn't solve it?
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598 2011-04-15 02:45:57 <gasteve> *me
599 2011-04-15 02:46:02 <luke-jr> gasteve: because it would be slower and a ugly code
600 2011-04-15 02:46:08 <purplezky> gentoo foreva :D
601 2011-04-15 02:46:14 <phantomcircuit> gasteve, because you have to do all kinds of crazy shit for dynamic libs to be useful
602 2011-04-15 02:46:41 <phantomcircuit> like setup callback frameworks and other nastyness
603 2011-04-15 02:47:12 <jb55> Hey guys, I'm putting together a bitcoin presentation for my computer security class tomorrow. Are there any resources out there with clear explanations of bitcoin internals and implementation?
604 2011-04-15 02:47:28 <phantomcircuit> is it just me or is $0.43/day for a site with 42k hits/day seem low for adsense
605 2011-04-15 02:47:28 <tcatm> bitcoin.pdf
606 2011-04-15 02:47:37 <luke-jr> [ebuild R ] kde-base/kopete-4.4.5-r2 USE="addbookmarks autoreplace contactnotes gadu groupwise handbook highlight history jabber jingle meanwhile msn nowlistening oscar otr pipes privacy qq sms ssl statistics texteffect translator urlpicpreview v4l2 webpresence winpopup yahoo zeroconf (-aqua) -debug (-kdeenablefinal) (-kdeprefix) -latex -skype -testbed" 0 kB
607 2011-04-15 02:47:54 <jb55> key things I should cover? :)
608 2011-04-15 02:47:58 <luke-jr> yay for compile-time options
609 2011-04-15 02:47:59 <purplezky> phantomcircuit, maybe your content is more appealing than your ads :)
610 2011-04-15 02:48:07 <grbgout> jb55: maybe the white paper?
611 2011-04-15 02:48:08 <phantomcircuit> purplezky, almost certainly so
612 2011-04-15 02:48:10 <luke-jr> (usually I have much less enabled)
613 2011-04-15 02:48:19 <phantomcircuit> purplezky, but id expect more just from fumble fingers
614 2011-04-15 02:48:30 <gasteve> well, I'll admit that you have to deal with the versioning problem with runtime linking...however, aside from that, I've never found it to be difficult, or a hassle, or ugle
615 2011-04-15 02:48:34 <gasteve> (ugly)
616 2011-04-15 02:48:59 <luke-jr> gasteve: you have to manually dlopen, dlsym every function, define prototypes for every function, variables for every function, etc
617 2011-04-15 02:49:04 <phantomcircuit> purplezky, im gonna change the colors so the ads blend in
618 2011-04-15 02:49:07 * phantomcircuit puts on evil face
619 2011-04-15 02:49:19 <purplezky> phantomcircuit, i found that miva pays higher fees than adsense
620 2011-04-15 02:49:30 <luke-jr> or implement a whole plugin framework that only works with pre-conceived plugin concepts
621 2011-04-15 02:49:32 <tcatm> jb55: don't talk about mining
622 2011-04-15 02:49:36 <gasteve> luke-jr: yes...it's more work, no doubt
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625 2011-04-15 02:50:15 <gjs278> I was pretty annoyed at having to install miniupnpc or whatever it is just to compile
626 2011-04-15 02:50:18 <gjs278> I hate makefile hacking
627 2011-04-15 02:50:23 <grbgout> jb55: yeah, don't talk about mining --- the difficulty is high enough already without your computer security class taking an interest.
628 2011-04-15 02:50:38 <gjs278> then I read the USE_UPNP
629 2011-04-15 02:50:39 <jb55> alright
630 2011-04-15 02:50:40 <gjs278> and realized my mistake
631 2011-04-15 02:50:51 <gasteve> having #ifdefs everywhere and the makefile crap is pretty ugly to me though...but, probably the lesser of the two evils in this case I guess
632 2011-04-15 02:51:09 <luke-jr> [ebuild R ] www-client/firefox-3.6.16 USE="alsa dbus ipc libnotify startup-notification -bindist -custom-optimization -debug -gnome -java -system-sqlite -wifi" LINGUAS="en en_GB ja -af -ar -as -be -bg -bn -bn_BD -bn_IN -ca -cs -cy -da -de -el -en_US -eo -es -es_AR -es_CL -es_ES -es_MX -et -eu -fa -fi -fr -fy -fy_NL -ga -ga_IE -gl -gu -gu_IN -he -hi -hi_IN -hr -hu -id -is -it -ka -kk -kn -ko -ku -lt -lv -mk -ml -mr -nb -
633 2011-04-15 02:51:10 <luke-jr> nb_NO -nl -nn -nn_NO -oc -or -pa -pa_IN -pl -pt -pt_BR -pt_PT -rm -ro -ru -si -sk -sl -sq -sr -sv -sv_SE -ta -ta_LK -te -th -tr -uk -vi -zh_CN -zh_TW" 0 kB
634 2011-04-15 02:51:14 <luke-jr> hmm, that was long
635 2011-04-15 02:51:34 <grbgout> You speak/read Japanese, luke-jr?
636 2011-04-15 02:51:39 <purplezky> hmm why are you pasting firefox use flags ?
637 2011-04-15 02:51:41 <luke-jr> grbgout: only very little
638 2011-04-15 02:51:50 <luke-jr> purplezky: to show gasteve he's a n00b
639 2011-04-15 02:51:51 <gjs278> lol
640 2011-04-15 02:51:55 <gjs278> dude
641 2011-04-15 02:51:59 <gjs278> I turn on all of my languages
642 2011-04-15 02:52:12 <gjs278> firefox-af-ar is my favorite
643 2011-04-15 02:52:15 <jgarzik> jb55: satoshi's key invention was a distributed, decentralized digital notary service
644 2011-04-15 02:52:17 <luke-jr> gjs278: me too. plus the few I only know a little of.
645 2011-04-15 02:52:20 <grbgout> Yeah, real men run as root in a language they don't understand!
646 2011-04-15 02:52:26 <gjs278> I run as root
647 2011-04-15 02:52:29 <jgarzik> jb55: bitcoin-the-currency is simply the first application of that invention
648 2011-04-15 02:52:30 <luke-jr> â¦
649 2011-04-15 02:52:42 <gjs278> step back guys, I got this *uid0*
650 2011-04-15 02:53:14 * luke-jr renames gjs278's uid 0 account
651 2011-04-15 02:53:21 <purplezky> real men dream in ring 0 :)
652 2011-04-15 02:53:29 <gjs278> my username is toor, I use the fake one
653 2011-04-15 02:54:10 <gjs278> I will hold onto firefox 3.6 for life
654 2011-04-15 02:54:13 <gjs278> I'll never upgrade to 4
655 2011-04-15 02:54:18 <gjs278> none of you can make me
656 2011-04-15 02:54:43 <purplezky> gjs278, so you got vmware running and can't upgrade either ?
657 2011-04-15 02:54:53 <gjs278> I don't use vmware
658 2011-04-15 02:54:57 <gasteve> luke-jr: what is that FF example supposed to illustrate?
659 2011-04-15 02:55:11 <gjs278> that it would be ridiculous to create several different firefoxes based on the features
660 2011-04-15 02:55:19 <gjs278> but it is good to have one executable that has the features he wants
661 2011-04-15 02:55:26 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, i fucking love /etc/locale.gen
662 2011-04-15 02:55:53 <gjs278> so bitcoin-upnp might be cool for the windows, but the line would pretty much have to be drawn there or else it would just get confusing
663 2011-04-15 02:55:57 <purplezky> i hate it when i rsync i need to rebuild locales
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665 2011-04-15 02:56:33 <purplezky> those locales seem to take forever
666 2011-04-15 02:56:36 <jb55> jgarzik: ah nice, I'll try to make that distinction. What other uses are envisioned?
667 2011-04-15 02:56:59 <grbgout> jb55: I think a method for voting was mentioned.
668 2011-04-15 02:57:02 <jgarzik> jb55: decentralized DNS registry
669 2011-04-15 02:57:06 <luke-jr> gjs278: Firefox sucks
670 2011-04-15 02:57:16 <gjs278> tae that back
671 2011-04-15 02:57:20 <purplezky> has there been some work done on the decentralized DNS registry ?
672 2011-04-15 02:57:24 <gjs278> live http headers owns
673 2011-04-15 02:57:26 * jb55 writes stuff down
674 2011-04-15 02:57:30 <jgarzik> purplezky: yes
675 2011-04-15 02:57:39 <grbgout> jb55: turning on logging would be much simpler ;)
676 2011-04-15 02:57:50 <jgarzik> jb55: you understand how the block chain works? what a block chain reorg is?
677 2011-04-15 02:57:56 <grbgout> jb55: have you watched the 15 second video that used to be on bitcoin.org?
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679 2011-04-15 02:58:01 <gasteve> I guess the ideal would be a plugin framework that would let you build with either static or dynamic linking...you could either use the generic executable that dynamically links what you want to use...or you can compile something custom on your own
680 2011-04-15 02:58:06 <jb55> I'm going to play the weusecoins video at the start
681 2011-04-15 02:58:07 <jb55> probably
682 2011-04-15 02:58:18 <purplezky> jgarzik: what's the project called ?
683 2011-04-15 02:58:19 <jb55> and I have a rough idea how the chains work
684 2011-04-15 02:58:21 <luke-jr> gasteve: â¦sigh
685 2011-04-15 02:58:32 <gasteve> (I'm not going to it though! life is too short)
686 2011-04-15 02:58:39 <jb55> what is reorg?
687 2011-04-15 02:58:48 <jb55> I'm guessing it's in the paper?
688 2011-04-15 02:58:50 <necrodearia> If anyone is interested in discussing and participating with establishing idea for a kind of open source bitcoin merchandising operation/business/project, come to #bitcoin-merch and I will begin discussing it soon.
689 2011-04-15 02:58:51 <grbgout> It's the one with gavenanderson talking for a short period in front of a group of people
690 2011-04-15 02:58:54 <jgarzik> jb55: when a new, stronger block chain overtakes a weaker block chain
691 2011-04-15 02:58:58 <jb55> oh yeah
692 2011-04-15 02:59:17 <luke-jr> [ebuild N ] net-p2p/bitcoin-9999 USE="nls sse2 ssl upnp -daemon -debug (-selinux) -wxwidgets" LINGUAS="-de -es -fr -it -nl" 0 kB [1]
693 2011-04-15 02:59:43 <jgarzik> jb55: pop quiz: what is bitcoin's chief security weakness?
694 2011-04-15 02:59:55 <jb55> uh
695 2011-04-15 03:00:10 <grbgout> can anyone answer?
696 2011-04-15 03:00:18 <luke-jr> he asked jb55
697 2011-04-15 03:00:18 <jb55> supercomputers?
698 2011-04-15 03:00:33 <grbgout> luke-jr: and I asked him.
699 2011-04-15 03:00:35 <jgarzik> jb55: 50% CPU power threshold
700 2011-04-15 03:00:35 <luke-jr> jgarzik: let me know if the floor opens :P
701 2011-04-15 03:00:58 <luke-jr> I was going to say: double spending, specifically quantum computers
702 2011-04-15 03:01:23 <jgarzik> double spending is the result, what happens when that weakness is exploited
703 2011-04-15 03:01:39 <noagendamarket> I would agree with the 50% threshold
704 2011-04-15 03:01:40 <gasteve> I would say the somewhat centralized nature of the client distribution
705 2011-04-15 03:01:59 <necrodearia> #bitcoin-merch
706 2011-04-15 03:02:21 <luke-jr> gasteve: that is changing rapidly
707 2011-04-15 03:02:23 <grbgout> gasteve: that's self correcting, though, as bitcoin gains widespread adoption.
708 2011-04-15 03:02:38 <jgarzik> gasteve: that is irrelevant already, and self-correcting as grbgout notes
709 2011-04-15 03:02:55 <purplezky> bitcoin's chief security weakness is that people don't backup their wallets
710 2011-04-15 03:03:03 <grbgout> purplezky: hah, good one.
711 2011-04-15 03:03:12 <grbgout> jgarzik: could you explain the 50% CPU power threshold thing, please?
712 2011-04-15 03:03:17 <grbgout> s/could/would/
713 2011-04-15 03:03:21 <jgarzik> grbgout: read the paper
714 2011-04-15 03:03:26 <grbgout> >_<
715 2011-04-15 03:03:31 <grbgout> caught.
716 2011-04-15 03:03:41 <gjs278> I'll tell you
717 2011-04-15 03:03:44 <gjs278> just to spite everyone
718 2011-04-15 03:03:45 <gjs278> in this channel
719 2011-04-15 03:03:47 <gjs278> who won't say
720 2011-04-15 03:03:59 <grbgout> gjs278: no, no. It's cool, I've been meaning to read the paper for about two weeks now.
721 2011-04-15 03:04:01 <gjs278> if you have 50% of the cpu power, you can verify bad transactions and blocks
722 2011-04-15 03:04:09 <gjs278> that normally would have been rejected
723 2011-04-15 03:04:10 <grbgout> oh. I knew that :\
724 2011-04-15 03:04:11 <gjs278> as double spends
725 2011-04-15 03:04:12 <gjs278> or invalids
726 2011-04-15 03:04:32 <grbgout> Never read it mentioned as "50 % CPU power threshold", though.
727 2011-04-15 03:04:37 <necrodearia> One more person needed in #bitcoin-merch and then I will explain the idea for new operation
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732 2011-04-15 03:08:10 <luke-jr> necrodearia: fwiw, I won't be paying attention, just logging :P
733 2011-04-15 03:08:28 <necrodearia> One more person needed in #bitcoin-merch and then I will explain the idea for new operation
734 2011-04-15 03:08:30 <necrodearia> oops
735 2011-04-15 03:08:36 <necrodearia> Idea: I'd like to establish a collective bitcoin merchandising operation in which anyone anywhere can sell and distributing merchandise (kind of like a franchise) in which the bitcoin merchandise is managed/organized collectively and made available for sale throughout the world. Particularly of interest is a way for artists/designers to also profit from their designs on merchandise.
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737 2011-04-15 03:11:38 <gasteve> regarding that exploit...to put it another way, if you control >50% of the CPU power on the network, you can make your own rules for transaction/block verification/acceptance
738 2011-04-15 03:12:45 <slush> ;;bc,gen 1000
739 2011-04-15 03:13:11 <jgarzik> gasteve: yes, that's the better way to state it, IMO
740 2011-04-15 03:13:19 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 0.0122144784558 BTC per day and 0.000508936602327 BTC per hour.
741 2011-04-15 03:13:23 <jgarzik> gasteve: rules become fungible, after 50%
742 2011-04-15 03:13:45 <jb55> so once a superintelligent AI outpaces our best supercomputers it will destroy our economy before destroying us, got it.
743 2011-04-15 03:14:04 <alias420> the bitcoin army would never let that happen though
744 2011-04-15 03:14:15 <jb55> we must fight back this beast
745 2011-04-15 03:14:19 <jb55> with CPU!
746 2011-04-15 03:14:39 <alias420> cpu?
747 2011-04-15 03:14:49 <alias420> I thought maybe we would just have a powow
748 2011-04-15 03:14:55 <alias420> sing a few songs
749 2011-04-15 03:14:59 <alias420> smoke some weed
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751 2011-04-15 03:20:36 <sacarlson> ok I found I could run bitcoind I compiled in ubuntu 10.04 is now running in 10.10 without adding any libs, I just sent myself money in testnet,
752 2011-04-15 03:21:12 <sacarlson> the 10.10 is running in a virtualbox on the same system will that still work?
753 2011-04-15 03:21:55 <jgarzik> alias420: 4:20 isn't for another 5 hours
754 2011-04-15 03:22:10 <gjs278> just don't share the same wallet between running clients and do whatever you want
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756 2011-04-15 03:22:32 <gjs278> and if you're on testnet, then go craazy
757 2011-04-15 03:22:46 <sacarlson> gjs278: ok I thought so thanks
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761 2011-04-15 03:30:16 <sacarlson> I sent the testnet transaction at 03:09:27 GMT (about 7 mins ago) I get 0 confirmation is that normal?
762 2011-04-15 03:31:23 <gjs278> yes
763 2011-04-15 03:31:31 <gjs278> did you include a fee
764 2011-04-15 03:31:39 <gjs278> also it does take a bit
765 2011-04-15 03:31:40 <sacarlson> gjs278: no I didn't
766 2011-04-15 03:31:48 <gjs278> try a fee next time to see if it's any faster
767 2011-04-15 03:31:57 <gjs278> but it really does take a bit for transfers to go through even on the main client
768 2011-04-15 03:32:00 <sacarlson> gjs278: ok will do
769 2011-04-15 03:32:03 <gjs278> I don't know if testnet is any slower or faster
770 2011-04-15 03:33:59 <sacarlson> oh and I did one other thing I have the git compiled version running as the server but I ran an older version bitcoind to run it, I guess it makes no difference since it just does that part over json
771 2011-04-15 03:35:22 <sacarlson> but maybe I'll try another transaction with both running the new version to make sure I didn't mess up something
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774 2011-04-15 03:42:54 <sacarlson> I can't seem to find the option in bitcoind to set that fee what option or command is used to set that?
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778 2011-04-15 03:47:01 <purplezky> volume is going through the roof and we're above parity :D
779 2011-04-15 03:48:45 <kiba> http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201104/r751650_6238719.jpg
780 2011-04-15 03:48:48 <kiba> HOLY MACRONI!
781 2011-04-15 03:49:48 <jb55> I want to play with that
782 2011-04-15 03:49:52 <jb55> point it at people
783 2011-04-15 03:50:02 <EPiSKiNG> wtf is that?
784 2011-04-15 03:50:06 <jb55> looks like lasers
785 2011-04-15 03:50:15 <Diablo-D3> looks like an experimental multi-laser beam used for high voltage setups
786 2011-04-15 03:50:15 <EPiSKiNG> large hadron collider?
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788 2011-04-15 03:52:24 <kiba> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/04/15/3192505.htm
789 2011-04-15 03:52:52 <kiba> apperantly, it will help make the internet faster
790 2011-04-15 03:52:54 <MagicalTux> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5855.0 <- if anyone wants to play with websockets, there's a new one there
791 2011-04-15 03:53:03 <x6763> in case you guys aren't aware of what's going on: ,,bc,mtgox
792 2011-04-15 03:53:04 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.039,"low":0.91,"vol":48878,"buy":1.039,"sell":1.04,"last":1.039}}
793 2011-04-15 03:53:14 <jrabbit> not new.
794 2011-04-15 03:53:29 <jrabbit> unless you're pointing out the volume.
795 2011-04-15 03:54:17 <x6763> many thousands of bitcoins have been traded in the last few minutes and the prices are going up quickly at the moement
796 2011-04-15 03:54:39 <kiba> they will probably experience a market correction soon...
797 2011-04-15 03:55:11 <x6763> kiba: i agree
798 2011-04-15 03:57:08 <EPiSKiNG> define market correction
799 2011-04-15 03:58:07 <tcatm> MagicalTux: I'm writing a parser :)
800 2011-04-15 03:59:09 <kiba> short term price decline
801 2011-04-15 03:59:18 <MagicalTux> tcatm, if you want to connect without a browser you can use websocket draft draft-hixie-thewebsocketprotocol-75, it's easier to implement
802 2011-04-15 04:02:27 <Clark> MagicalTux: I'm looking into it
803 2011-04-15 04:06:21 <kiba> hmm
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805 2011-04-15 04:06:29 <kiba> tcatm's bitcoinchart is sure seeing crazy improvement
806 2011-04-15 04:06:31 <tcoppi> nice flash crash
807 2011-04-15 04:06:56 <kiba> flash crash and then...flash recovery!
808 2011-04-15 04:07:05 <tcoppi> hehe
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812 2011-04-15 04:08:33 <kiba> hmm
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814 2011-04-15 04:09:22 <kiba> bitcoin monitor showing crazy amount of trades within the last 30 minutes
815 2011-04-15 04:11:35 <jgarzik> MagicalTux: nice
816 2011-04-15 04:11:45 <jgarzik> MagicalTux: I'm much more interested in non-browser streaming usage
817 2011-04-15 04:11:55 <lfm> kiba thats happening 3:30 UTC every day now
818 2011-04-15 04:11:56 <MagicalTux> jgarzik, you can too
819 2011-04-15 04:12:00 <jgarzik> MagicalTux: that's why I always thought WebSockets was a questionable choice :)
820 2011-04-15 04:12:03 <jgarzik> of Jed's
821 2011-04-15 04:12:29 <MagicalTux> jgarzik, use websockets draft draft-hixie-thewebsocketprotocol-75, it's the easiest to implement client side
822 2011-04-15 04:12:51 <MagicalTux> just send a simple GET query with Origin and upgrade, and you'll get the stream
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824 2011-04-15 04:13:04 * MagicalTux now going to lunch
825 2011-04-15 04:13:59 <kiba> MagicalTux: how does it feel to be the owner of the largest bitcoin exchange on the planet?
826 2011-04-15 04:14:21 <lfm> big fish, small pool
827 2011-04-15 04:14:30 <jgarzik> indeed
828 2011-04-15 04:14:38 <Diablo-D3> er
829 2011-04-15 04:14:43 <Diablo-D3> since when did MagicalTux become the owner of that?
830 2011-04-15 04:14:54 <MagicalTux> Diablo-D3, it's on the forum
831 2011-04-15 04:14:59 <jgarzik> honestly, I _hope_ MtGox stays on top (or near the top), but I imagine that a few Real Players(tm) will get into bitcoin once it gets big enough
832 2011-04-15 04:15:02 <Diablo-D3> I dont read the forum
833 2011-04-15 04:15:04 <Diablo-D3> too much noise
834 2011-04-15 04:15:08 <jgarzik> and wipe all the small sites off the map, userbase-wise
835 2011-04-15 04:15:20 <MagicalTux> anyway going to lunch, back in ~1h
836 2011-04-15 04:16:06 * jgarzik trusts MT more than unknown Wall Street traders working for unknown clients at billion-dollar banks
837 2011-04-15 04:16:22 <Blitzboom> heh ⦠agree
838 2011-04-15 04:16:30 <alias420> aren't those guys insured?
839 2011-04-15 04:16:42 <x6763> yes, by your tax dollars
840 2011-04-15 04:16:48 <Blitzboom> :)
841 2011-04-15 04:16:49 <alias420> not mine
842 2011-04-15 04:16:54 <x6763> haha, ok
843 2011-04-15 04:17:05 <alias420> I take money out of the US
844 2011-04-15 04:17:15 <alias420> it's my personal atm
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846 2011-04-15 04:17:33 <kiba> it all started....with a bunch of crypto-anarchist geeks
847 2011-04-15 04:17:50 <alias420> anyone need a mortgage?
848 2011-04-15 04:17:54 <alias420> no credit check
849 2011-04-15 04:17:58 <alias420> :)
850 2011-04-15 04:18:13 <jgarzik> I doubt MtGox is insured
851 2011-04-15 04:18:20 <alias420> no they aren't
852 2011-04-15 04:18:23 <alias420> wallstreet is
853 2011-04-15 04:18:29 <alias420> that's why you can trust them more :P
854 2011-04-15 04:18:30 <jgarzik> by my tax dollars :)
855 2011-04-15 04:18:36 <alias420> yup
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857 2011-04-15 04:19:31 <alias420> is it normal that I can't withdraw my mtgox to libertyreserve right now?
858 2011-04-15 04:19:35 <alias420> they say try back tomorrow
859 2011-04-15 04:19:41 <alias420> is that a normal thing?
860 2011-04-15 04:19:51 <alias420> this is my first time selling btc on mtgox
861 2011-04-15 04:19:56 <jgarzik> Magic 8ball says: ask again in 1 hour
862 2011-04-15 04:20:22 <alias420> have others experienced this before?
863 2011-04-15 04:21:11 <luke-jr> alias420: I usually just sell MTGUSD on -otc
864 2011-04-15 04:21:13 <jgarzik> alias420: FYI, LR takes 1% to receive money, plus possibly more fees going LR->{PP,PGAU,elsewhere} so you might wanna total up fees. Keefe on #bitcoin-otc might buy your MTG$ for around the same amount.
865 2011-04-15 04:21:26 <alias420> on otc?
866 2011-04-15 04:21:35 <kiba> I heard it's because nobody wants to use libertyreserve any more and liberty reserve withdrawl is more often than libertyreserve deposit
867 2011-04-15 04:21:37 <alias420> I understand the LR fees
868 2011-04-15 04:21:44 <alias420> but I just sold some btc on mtgox
869 2011-04-15 04:21:50 <alias420> so I now have USD in my mtgox
870 2011-04-15 04:21:59 <alias420> I want to withdraw that to my liberty reserve
871 2011-04-15 04:22:07 <alias420> but it says it can't do that right now
872 2011-04-15 04:22:15 <luke-jr> alias420: you can sell MTGUSD for PPUSD on -otc
873 2011-04-15 04:22:16 <alias420> I'm wondering if anyone has seen this before?
874 2011-04-15 04:22:18 <jgarzik> alias420: mtgox main reserve is outside LR, from what I can tell. So LR means delay, while money is transferred in/out internally.
875 2011-04-15 04:22:23 <alias420> where is otc?
876 2011-04-15 04:22:30 <luke-jr> #bitcoin-otc
877 2011-04-15 04:22:31 <jgarzik> alias420: #bitcoin-otc IRC channel
878 2011-04-15 04:22:32 <alias420> #bitcoin-otc?
879 2011-04-15 04:22:35 <alias420> ahh
880 2011-04-15 04:22:45 <alias420> PPUSD = Paypal?
881 2011-04-15 04:22:49 <luke-jr> might need to build a trust reputation first tho
882 2011-04-15 04:22:50 <Diablo-D3> hrm
883 2011-04-15 04:22:50 <jgarzik> alias420: yes
884 2011-04-15 04:22:51 <luke-jr> yes
885 2011-04-15 04:22:53 <alias420> fuck paypal
886 2011-04-15 04:22:56 <Diablo-D3> I wonder if I should finish my pool software
887 2011-04-15 04:22:56 <luke-jr> lol
888 2011-04-15 04:22:56 <Keefe> alias420: if MtGox is having problems sending to LR, i can do that trade for you. i have some LR$
889 2011-04-15 04:22:57 <jgarzik> alias420: paypal supports more than one currency
890 2011-04-15 04:23:01 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt seem like many people are interested in it
891 2011-04-15 04:23:04 <alias420> they can suck my fucking salty balls
892 2011-04-15 04:23:08 <alias420> bad history with them
893 2011-04-15 04:23:12 <alias420> I was part of the people they fucked
894 2011-04-15 04:23:18 <alias420> and class action sued them
895 2011-04-15 04:23:26 <alias420> they held 10k of mine for about a year and half
896 2011-04-15 04:23:32 <luke-jr> alias420: could see if someone on tradebitcoin.com is willing to do it
897 2011-04-15 04:23:36 <alias420> killed the cashflow of my small internet biz at the time
898 2011-04-15 04:23:44 <alias420> lol I already sold em
899 2011-04-15 04:23:50 <alias420> I have USD in my mtgox
900 2011-04-15 04:23:55 <alias420> I'm not looking for another route
901 2011-04-15 04:23:57 <luke-jr> sell MTGUSD I mean
902 2011-04-15 04:24:02 <Keefe> i can trade you LRUSD for MTGUSD
903 2011-04-15 04:24:07 <alias420> I'm wondering if others have done this and seen this before
904 2011-04-15 04:24:10 <alias420> the answer I guess is no
905 2011-04-15 04:24:19 <alias420> lol I'm not looking for all the other ways to do it
906 2011-04-15 04:24:39 <alias420> that cost just as much and won't get me a nice visa card linked to USD
907 2011-04-15 04:24:52 <Keefe> ok, so what is your end goal?
908 2011-04-15 04:25:04 <alias420> mtgox to liberty
909 2011-04-15 04:25:10 <alias420> which is normally available right?
910 2011-04-15 04:25:15 <alias420> it's not working right now
911 2011-04-15 04:25:25 <alias420> I'm just wondering if this is a normal thing
912 2011-04-15 04:25:43 <alias420> lol not a question about methods just a question about this moment in time the system being down
913 2011-04-15 04:25:46 <Diablo-D3> so Im thinking
914 2011-04-15 04:25:47 <Diablo-D3> guys
915 2011-04-15 04:25:48 <Diablo-D3> how about
916 2011-04-15 04:25:48 <lfm> alias420: I have seen other people report that problem here
917 2011-04-15 04:25:51 <alias420> and if this is normal?
918 2011-04-15 04:25:53 <Diablo-D3> a 1% bonus for the top ten miners
919 2011-04-15 04:26:18 <alias420> lfm: but it usually gets resolved
920 2011-04-15 04:26:21 <alias420> ?
921 2011-04-15 04:26:30 <lfm> alias420: ya seems so
922 2011-04-15 04:26:39 <gjs278> why would anyone want money in liberty reserve
923 2011-04-15 04:26:41 <alias420> its my first time using mtgox so I'm curious if others had simlar experience but it worked out
924 2011-04-15 04:26:58 <Keefe> mtgox to liberty reserve for 1% fee (plus the 1% LR takes) is exactly what i'm offering you
925 2011-04-15 04:26:59 <alias420> how else do you get your money out of mtgox?
926 2011-04-15 04:27:07 <alias420> I dont want euros
927 2011-04-15 04:27:11 <gjs278> you trade it with someone
928 2011-04-15 04:27:23 <alias420> I'll take it in liberty and use a visa debit card to access it
929 2011-04-15 04:27:31 <alias420> I want to shop for shit online with the funds anyways
930 2011-04-15 04:27:34 <gjs278> oh ok
931 2011-04-15 04:27:35 <Keefe> normally, there's no problem withdrawing to LR from MtGox. i'm guessing there's just some temp problem
932 2011-04-15 04:27:41 <alias420> trade it with someone?
933 2011-04-15 04:27:44 <alias420> lol I want money
934 2011-04-15 04:27:49 <alias420> I dont want to trade mtgox
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936 2011-04-15 04:27:51 <gjs278> sell someone the mtgox money
937 2011-04-15 04:27:56 <gjs278> for real money
938 2011-04-15 04:27:58 <alias420> mtgox is useless to me without liberty reserve
939 2011-04-15 04:28:01 <gjs278> but it's going to be paypal
940 2011-04-15 04:28:03 <alias420> real money?
941 2011-04-15 04:28:03 <gjs278> and you hate paypal
942 2011-04-15 04:28:10 <alias420> fuck paypal
943 2011-04-15 04:28:12 <alias420> they have fees
944 2011-04-15 04:28:16 <alias420> they steal your moeny
945 2011-04-15 04:28:17 <gjs278> try paying for a slurpy with mtgox money
946 2011-04-15 04:28:22 <alias420> paypal blows
947 2011-04-15 04:28:22 <gjs278> I have never paid a paypal fee
948 2011-04-15 04:28:26 <gjs278> ever
949 2011-04-15 04:28:35 <alias420> they have fees so how does that avoid the huge 1%?
950 2011-04-15 04:28:36 <gjs278> the fees come from cards
951 2011-04-15 04:28:47 <gjs278> and doing international transfers
952 2011-04-15 04:28:53 <alias420> either way you are paying fees to get it into your bankaccount
953 2011-04-15 04:28:57 <gjs278> no
954 2011-04-15 04:28:59 <jgarzik> alias420: nope
955 2011-04-15 04:29:17 <gjs278> the only fee to withdraw paypal money is $1.50 if you want them to send you a cheque of the money
956 2011-04-15 04:29:20 <gjs278> direct deposit is nothing
957 2011-04-15 04:29:20 <alias420> I would rather not use paypal a company that has illegally held my funds in the past along with many others
958 2011-04-15 04:29:25 <gjs278> yeah
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960 2011-04-15 04:29:37 <gjs278> just have to wait for liberty reserve then
961 2011-04-15 04:29:38 <alias420> $1.50
962 2011-04-15 04:29:42 <alias420> oh suddenly there is a fee
963 2011-04-15 04:29:48 <gjs278> it's not like there are any other reliable ways of transferring the money
964 2011-04-15 04:29:49 <gjs278> dude
965 2011-04-15 04:29:51 <gjs278> are you retarded
966 2011-04-15 04:29:52 <alias420> oh and that they may just hold your money for a few years
967 2011-04-15 04:29:57 <gjs278> why would you get a cheque from paypal
968 2011-04-15 04:30:01 <gjs278> instead of a direct deposit
969 2011-04-15 04:30:02 <alias420> dude paypal has fucked me
970 2011-04-15 04:30:05 <gjs278> I know
971 2011-04-15 04:30:12 <alias420> lol deal with the fact that you can't answer my question
972 2011-04-15 04:30:13 <alias420> thank you
973 2011-04-15 04:30:16 <gjs278> fuck you
974 2011-04-15 04:30:19 <gjs278> you stupid nigger
975 2011-04-15 04:30:23 <gjs278> we've told you what to do
976 2011-04-15 04:30:25 <gjs278> like 20 times
977 2011-04-15 04:30:27 <alias420> no need to go on about how you love to suck your own dick while paypalling yourself
978 2011-04-15 04:30:27 <gjs278> just wait for lr
979 2011-04-15 04:30:28 <gjs278> that's it
980 2011-04-15 04:30:32 <gjs278> kill yourself
981 2011-04-15 04:30:40 <alias420> lol no lfm helped me
982 2011-04-15 04:30:53 <alias420> you just kept spewing shit no one asked about
983 2011-04-15 04:30:56 <alias420> do you work for paypal?
984 2011-04-15 04:30:57 <gjs278> you did
985 2011-04-15 04:31:00 <alias420> you must own shares
986 2011-04-15 04:31:05 <alias420> fanboi
987 2011-04-15 04:31:08 <gjs278> if I owned shares
988 2011-04-15 04:31:13 <gjs278> do you think I would care about you transferring $20
989 2011-04-15 04:31:16 <gjs278> when there's no fee
990 2011-04-15 04:31:19 <gjs278> what would I make off of that
991 2011-04-15 04:31:35 <alias420> anyways you can go back to blowing yourself
992 2011-04-15 04:31:39 <noagendamarket> settle down people
993 2011-04-15 04:31:51 <noagendamarket> take it to bitcoin-discussion
994 2011-04-15 04:32:39 * alias420 rubs his taint all over gjs' face
995 2011-04-15 04:33:03 <gjs278> apparently your tab key isn't working
996 2011-04-15 04:33:15 <lfm> what we have here is a failure to communicate
997 2011-04-15 04:33:22 <alias420> tab works great
998 2011-04-15 04:33:28 <alias420> I just got my coffee
999 2011-04-15 04:34:35 <nanotube> alias420: besides all that... there are other ways to transfer cash. dwolla is a popular alternative. as is bank ach. in europe, SEPA transfers are good.
1000 2011-04-15 04:35:03 <alias420> I didn't ask for any other ways
1001 2011-04-15 04:35:05 <lfm> gjs278: was answering an implied question that wasnt intentionally implied
1002 2011-04-15 04:35:11 <alias420> never once was that a question
1003 2011-04-15 04:35:23 <alias420> I asked if anyone had a similar experience in the one way I described
1004 2011-04-15 04:35:26 <alias420> lfm answered the question
1005 2011-04-15 04:35:46 <gjs278> cool
1006 2011-04-15 04:37:42 <lfm> trades seem to get hung up between mygox and lr every so often, not sure why, maybe for a variety of reasons
1007 2011-04-15 04:37:43 <nanotube> alias420: i dunno what you asked, i was afk and just skipped over the whole trade-insult part. :)
1008 2011-04-15 04:38:40 <alias420> gjs278 offered to sell his shares in paypal for btc
1009 2011-04-15 04:38:53 <alias420> that was the other part you missed ;)
1010 2011-04-15 04:39:32 <gjs278> I didn't want to pay the paypal fees though, they're too big
1011 2011-04-15 04:39:57 <alias420> yeah that 100% fee is a real kicker
1012 2011-04-15 04:40:14 <alias420> the one where they just decide to hold your money for a few years
1013 2011-04-15 04:40:17 <gjs278> alias420 are you from nigeria
1014 2011-04-15 04:40:22 <alias420> Canada
1015 2011-04-15 04:40:25 <gjs278> ok
1016 2011-04-15 04:40:30 <lfm> hey stop
1017 2011-04-15 04:40:32 <alias420> paypal has a naughty history
1018 2011-04-15 04:40:40 <alias420> many class action suits
1019 2011-04-15 04:40:50 <alias420> your money is safer in nigeria than with paypal
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1021 2011-04-15 04:41:23 <gjs278> not really a 100% fee if they give it back
1022 2011-04-15 04:41:38 <alias420> IF they give it back
1023 2011-04-15 04:41:40 Blitzboom has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1024 2011-04-15 04:42:15 <alias420> and by give back you mean lawyers pry from from their talons
1025 2011-04-15 04:42:52 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
1026 2011-04-15 04:42:53 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.05,"low":0.91,"vol":57437,"buy":1.0111,"sell":1.048,"last":1.038}}
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1028 2011-04-15 04:48:49 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,stats
1029 2011-04-15 04:48:52 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118442 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 501 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 23 hours, 23 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92624.42062584
1030 2011-04-15 04:51:58 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,stats
1031 2011-04-15 04:51:59 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118442 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 501 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 23 hours, 23 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92624.42062584
1032 2011-04-15 04:51:59 <sacarlson> ok now my transaction is over 1.5 hours ago and I still get zero confirmations on testnet transaction. could my two systems behind a nat network cause such a problem?
1033 2011-04-15 04:52:47 jrabbit has quit (Quit: Reconnecting)
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1036 2011-04-15 04:54:15 <lfm> sacarlson: how many connections do you have?
1037 2011-04-15 04:54:29 <alias420> sacarlson: try sending to 1wMEi5PSJQUrLDdfw5Gw2CJsgXpACpeJM and paste results
1038 2011-04-15 04:54:50 <jgarzik> well
1039 2011-04-15 04:54:56 <jgarzik> testnet can be slow in minting blocks
1040 2011-04-15 04:55:37 <sacarlson> lfm: I have 8 connections on one of them and 13 on the other
1041 2011-04-15 04:55:56 <lfm> sacarlson: that should be fine then
1042 2011-04-15 04:55:59 <gasteve> just merged the reorg'd sourced with the master branch: https://github.com/gasteve/bitcoin
1043 2011-04-15 04:56:02 <sacarlson> alias420: ok will send you 2 bitcoin on testnet
1044 2011-04-15 04:56:12 <jgarzik> what is the latest block# on testnet?
1045 2011-04-15 04:56:16 <jgarzik> that is the only way to be sure.
1046 2011-04-15 04:56:33 <jgarzik> blockexplorer.com/testnet looks out of date
1047 2011-04-15 04:56:37 <tcatm> I have 13745 blocks
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1049 2011-04-15 04:57:19 <sacarlson> alias420: I sent you 2 coin with return of 5a18f41a68e620ec8e2289597e0bd1cbeb21d0d70e5afbe0309e93d518e21a24
1050 2011-04-15 04:57:23 <jgarzik> then it's been many hours since latest testnet block
1051 2011-04-15 04:57:32 <jgarzik> and sacarlson's behavior seems explainable
1052 2011-04-15 04:57:37 <luke-jr> jgarzik: if you keep buying at this rate, you'll make a bubble :/
1053 2011-04-15 04:57:55 <jgarzik> luke-jr: what are you talking about?
1054 2011-04-15 04:58:09 <luke-jr> :P
1055 2011-04-15 04:58:35 <luke-jr> jgarzik: MtGox is up over 1.06 in case you didn't notice
1056 2011-04-15 04:59:15 <sacarlson> luke-jr tell me when it hits 1.23 that's where I have my sell set to
1057 2011-04-15 04:59:27 <luke-jr> sacarlson: at this rate, it might be tonight
1058 2011-04-15 04:59:30 <lfm> testnet "blocks" : 13745,
1059 2011-04-15 04:59:37 <alias420> sacarlson: you'll be waiting a long time for that call
1060 2011-04-15 05:00:08 <alias420> I would wager a nice correction coming soon to below .80
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1062 2011-04-15 05:01:15 <sacarlson> alias420: I'm getting zero confirmations form you as well, did you see my transaction?
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1064 2011-04-15 05:01:48 <lfm> TESTBlock #13745 2011-04-14 15:39:14 UTC was over an hour ago ya
1065 2011-04-15 05:02:28 <sacarlson> jgarzik: so until coins are minted there will never be a confirmation?
1066 2011-04-15 05:02:31 <lfm> like 12 hours ago?
1067 2011-04-15 05:02:34 <alias420> nope
1068 2011-04-15 05:02:38 <alias420> I dont see shit
1069 2011-04-15 05:02:57 <jgarzik> sacarlson: correct. that is the definition of a confirmation.
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1071 2011-04-15 05:03:37 <lfm> sacarlson: I have a gpu running on testnet now so there should be a block or two come up in the next few hours
1072 2011-04-15 05:03:38 <sacarlson> jgarzik: ok and even before confirmation shouldn't alias420 see my transaction?
1073 2011-04-15 05:04:14 <lfm> might not see any txn till at least one vlock goes thru
1074 2011-04-15 05:04:18 <lfm> block
1075 2011-04-15 05:04:34 <jgarzik> sacarlson: on the command line, you need to pass '0' for the minconf parameter. Otherwise, 0-conf transactions do not appear.
1076 2011-04-15 05:04:37 <sacarlson> jgarzik: and if that's the case how will confirmations be done after 20 mil coins are minted ?
1077 2011-04-15 05:04:54 <jgarzik> sacarlson: transaction fees
1078 2011-04-15 05:04:58 <lfm> his node might have the txn but wont show it till it is confirmed the first time
1079 2011-04-15 05:05:04 <jgarzik> nod
1080 2011-04-15 05:05:31 <lfm> I doubt fees make a difference on testnet
1081 2011-04-15 05:06:00 <sacarlson> jgarzik: ok I'll check with my other system with minconf=0 to see if it saw anything
1082 2011-04-15 05:06:09 <jgarzik> lfm: read the question sacarlson asked :)
1083 2011-04-15 05:06:30 <lfm> oh ok
1084 2011-04-15 05:06:43 <lfm> there is a new block on testnet now
1085 2011-04-15 05:06:46 <sacarlson> lfm: I couldn't figure out how to add fee's in bitcoind
1086 2011-04-15 05:07:12 <lfm> sacarlson: try bitcoind -?
1087 2011-04-15 05:08:04 <sacarlson> lfm: that's all I have is bitcoind
1088 2011-04-15 05:08:18 <lfm> sacarlson: try "bitcoind -?"
1089 2011-04-15 05:08:28 <sacarlson> I'm on ubuntu and didn't want to bother with the libs I couldn't find
1090 2011-04-15 05:08:31 <lfm> shows options
1091 2011-04-15 05:08:41 <sacarlson> lfm oh ok
1092 2011-04-15 05:08:53 <mrb_> sacarlson: are you selling only 1 BTC at 1.23?
1093 2011-04-15 05:09:18 <sacarlson> lfm oh that looks the same as bitcoind help
1094 2011-04-15 05:09:43 * jrabbit is selling only .00001 BTC at 23$
1095 2011-04-15 05:10:10 <sacarlson> lfm: oh IC it's what's you use to start the sever -paytxfee=<amt>
1096 2011-04-15 05:10:50 <sacarlson> mrb_: yes
1097 2011-04-15 05:10:51 <lfm> there ya go
1098 2011-04-15 05:11:00 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,gen 110000
1099 2011-04-15 05:11:02 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 110000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 1.34359263014 BTC per day and 0.055983026256 BTC per hour.
1100 2011-04-15 05:11:17 <sacarlson> mrb_: I only have 1 btc in txgox
1101 2011-04-15 05:11:24 <mrb_> ok
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1103 2011-04-15 05:22:57 <sacarlson> lfm: ok I restarted my server with -paytxfee=0.1, still no luck on recieve sides I tried ./bitcoind listtransactions minconf=0 on my ubuntu 10.10 side and I get error type mismatch, but that same command works on my 10.04 ubuntu
1104 2011-04-15 05:23:37 <sacarlson> so I guess i have some problem with lib not matching something on 10.10
1105 2011-04-15 05:23:48 <lfm> is it different versioons of bitcoin?
1106 2011-04-15 05:24:12 <sacarlson> lfm no it's the same binary file I compiled on 10.04
1107 2011-04-15 05:24:50 <lfm> thats odd
1108 2011-04-15 05:25:09 <sacarlson> I was surprized it ran without needing to install any other libs or packages but maybe that's part of my problem
1109 2011-04-15 05:26:49 <gjs278> I wouldn't think that would be a problem unless it refuses to start
1110 2011-04-15 05:28:03 <gjs278> damn asus 5870 for 232
1111 2011-04-15 05:28:19 <gjs278> nevermind, two mir
1112 2011-04-15 05:28:30 <gjs278> but FREE SHOGUN2
1113 2011-04-15 05:29:32 <lfm> netflicks should let you pay with btc
1114 2011-04-15 05:30:02 <gjs278> I want newzbin to start taking bitcoins
1115 2011-04-15 05:30:05 <gjs278> they'd be perfect for it
1116 2011-04-15 05:31:47 <da2ce7> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5818.0
1117 2011-04-15 05:31:55 <da2ce7> :)
1118 2011-04-15 05:32:11 <gjs278> lol
1119 2011-04-15 05:32:13 <sacarlson> ok now I'm getting confirmations
1120 2011-04-15 05:32:20 <gjs278> I read that hoping I was going to get 700 coins for making the site
1121 2011-04-15 05:32:26 <gjs278> not donating 700 coins >.>
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1123 2011-04-15 05:36:00 <sacarlson> and I see my recieved transaction now on my ubuntu 10.10 side so I guess it's working, not sure it due to my restarting both servers or not
1124 2011-04-15 05:36:15 <gjs278> it just takes time
1125 2011-04-15 05:36:48 <gjs278> I freaked out when my first transfer didn't seem to go anywhere the first 40 minutes either
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1127 2011-04-15 05:39:28 <grondilu> omg... parity again!?
1128 2011-04-15 05:39:52 <lfm> is cuz I started mining testnet with my gpu and got 4 new blocks
1129 2011-04-15 05:40:32 <gjs278> lfm is going to cash out big when testnet becomes the new blockchain
1130 2011-04-15 05:40:34 <da2ce7> I have testnet coins if anyone want to play.
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1132 2011-04-15 05:40:55 <luke-jr> grondilu: you're late to the party
1133 2011-04-15 05:40:56 <lfm> ya anyone wanna buy 50,000 btc(testnet)
1134 2011-04-15 05:40:58 <sacarlson> gjs278: so how would it work then if you only had two systems in the network with a reset genisis block would it also be very slow?
1135 2011-04-15 05:41:27 <gjs278> _/^\@@@@@@/*\_
1136 2011-04-15 05:42:04 <lfm> sacarlson: so long as SOMEONE is mining it should be fine
1137 2011-04-15 05:42:25 <lfm> it seems no one was mining the last few hours on testnet
1138 2011-04-15 05:42:39 <gjs278> the "official" blockchain is the test chain
1139 2011-04-15 05:42:48 <lfm> what?
1140 2011-04-15 05:42:56 <grondilu> I wonder how long we'll stay above 1$ this time.
1141 2011-04-15 05:43:10 <gjs278> testnet's is going to be the release version
1142 2011-04-15 05:43:16 <sacarlson> lfm: ok that would explain it, and since I have a slow computer even if I did mine myself it would be slow so if I created a reset on it might run fasterr
1143 2011-04-15 05:43:30 <da2ce7> I don't think that it is going to brake $1 signifantly again.
1144 2011-04-15 05:43:32 <lfm> gjs278: ya sure
1145 2011-04-15 05:43:52 <lfm> gjs278: you should offer to buy my testcoins then
1146 2011-04-15 05:43:56 <lfm> cheap!
1147 2011-04-15 05:44:02 <gjs278> how much you want
1148 2011-04-15 05:44:14 <grondilu> this reminds me of the time gold reached 1000$
1149 2011-04-15 05:44:36 <lfm> 1000 to 1?
1150 2011-04-15 05:44:36 <grondilu> we were having same kinds of concerns
1151 2011-04-15 05:44:42 <sacarlson> lfm: well buying them in my case won't help since I need a minner to run in it to tranfer them
1152 2011-04-15 05:45:04 <grondilu> (on gold forums I mean)
1153 2011-04-15 05:45:11 <lfm> sacarlson: YOU dont need a miner, just someone needs to mine
1154 2011-04-15 05:45:58 <sacarlson> lfm: so even if the minner doesn't mint any there will still be transactions?
1155 2011-04-15 05:46:13 <sacarlson> or confermations I should say
1156 2011-04-15 05:46:41 <lfm> sacarlson: if they are mining they will find blocks sooner or later
1157 2011-04-15 05:47:18 <sacarlson> lfm: but if fast minners have already been running and then stoped and you bring up a very slow minner then the confirmations will take years
1158 2011-04-15 05:47:31 <lfm> sacarlson: its the same calculations, just the difficulty for testnet is a lot smaller
1159 2011-04-15 05:48:04 <lfm> testnet "difficulty" : 17.09735567,
1160 2011-04-15 05:48:31 <lfm> so ;;bc,calcd 2000 17.097
1161 2011-04-15 05:48:38 <lfm> ;;bc,calcd 2000 17.097
1162 2011-04-15 05:48:38 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 2000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 17.097, is 10 hours, 11 minutes, and 55 seconds
1163 2011-04-15 05:48:50 <sacarlson> lfm: ok so for that my computer can do 900k I think how long is that?
1164 2011-04-15 05:49:03 <lfm> ;;bc,calcd 900 17.097
1165 2011-04-15 05:49:04 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 900 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 17.097, is 22 hours, 39 minutes, and 50 seconds
1166 2011-04-15 05:49:14 <sacarlson> ;;bc calc 900 17.087
1167 2011-04-15 05:49:14 <gribble> Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
1168 2011-04-15 05:49:36 <sacarlson> ;;bc,calcd 900 17.097
1169 2011-04-15 05:49:36 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 900 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 17.097, is 22 hours, 39 minutes, and 50 seconds
1170 2011-04-15 05:49:48 <lfm> ;;bc,gend 900 17.097
1171 2011-04-15 05:49:48 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 900 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 17.097, is 52.9476248772 BTC per day and 2.20615103655 BTC per hour.
1172 2011-04-15 05:50:36 <sacarlson> lfm: I was running in minning mode yestarday for most the day and collected nothing
1173 2011-04-15 05:50:43 <lfm> actually I think that difficulty is double the real one so you could really do twice that
1174 2011-04-15 05:51:10 <lfm> well its an average, try for a month
1175 2011-04-15 05:51:49 <lfm> even just a week
1176 2011-04-15 05:51:49 <sacarlson> lfm: well it really slows me down here so maybe I"ll bring up another computer to do it for me
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1178 2011-04-15 05:54:03 <sacarlson> lfm: so how does the calculation work if minners get smaller will it auto caculate so that the time to the next block will get easier? and I don't understand what happens when you hit 20 million coins and no mining is left
1179 2011-04-15 05:55:24 <lfm> dont worry about when the mining reward goes to zero, it wont happen for 140 years.
1180 2011-04-15 05:55:43 <drazak> lfm: ish
1181 2011-04-15 05:56:47 <sacarlson> lfm: ok that can posibly make sense then if it would take on the lines of that time frame
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1184 2011-04-15 05:59:32 <lfm> ya, if there was only you mining for a while(not sure how long it would take) eventually the difficulty would be adjusted so you could find a block every 10 minutes
1185 2011-04-15 06:00:08 <gjs278> how do I cpu mine on testnet
1186 2011-04-15 06:00:17 <gjs278> through jgarzik's
1187 2011-04-15 06:00:24 <gjs278> I'll do it just to keep it moving along a bit
1188 2011-04-15 06:00:56 <sacarlson> lfm: is that with a new reset genisis or just what it auto adjust for over time?
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1190 2011-04-15 06:01:18 <lfm> gjs278: run a bitcoin server (with generation off then point your cpuminer at it
1191 2011-04-15 06:01:28 <gjs278> ok
1192 2011-04-15 06:02:02 <gjs278> ./bitcoind -daemon -testnet right
1193 2011-04-15 06:02:52 <lfm> ya, -daemon is redundant on bitcoind
1194 2011-04-15 06:03:08 <gjs278> not anymore for me...
1195 2011-04-15 06:03:13 <gjs278> it hangs when I don't -daemon it now
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1199 2011-04-15 06:03:36 <sacarlson> I had planed to setup a version with genisis values in bitcoin.conf anyway so I guess I'm ready for my next step
1200 2011-04-15 06:03:36 <lfm> oh? thats odd, what version? from git?
1201 2011-04-15 06:03:41 <gjs278> yeah the git
1202 2011-04-15 06:04:17 <sacarlson> I'm running git version d12ea887bcf1eab4b029007c4bf5821992c0c6b1
1203 2011-04-15 06:04:29 <gjs278> http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/7137/screenshotecr.png here it is in action
1204 2011-04-15 06:04:40 <gjs278> horrifying
1205 2011-04-15 06:05:21 <lfm> you sure it isnt running?
1206 2011-04-15 06:05:26 <gjs278> it is
1207 2011-04-15 06:05:29 <gjs278> because check this
1208 2011-04-15 06:05:34 <gjs278> well okay
1209 2011-04-15 06:05:36 <gjs278> I mean
1210 2011-04-15 06:05:37 <gjs278> it's running
1211 2011-04-15 06:05:40 <gjs278> but it's not backgrounding
1212 2011-04-15 06:05:45 <lfm> so just add a &
1213 2011-04-15 06:05:51 <gjs278> or a -daemon
1214 2011-04-15 06:06:05 <gjs278> if you do -daemon it will basically & it for you
1215 2011-04-15 06:06:17 <lfm> does it make a .pid file for ya?
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1217 2011-04-15 06:06:49 <gjs278> actually it doesn't unless I run it it with -daemon
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1219 2011-04-15 06:07:15 <gjs278> because I stupidly coded it that way I guess
1220 2011-04-15 06:07:24 <gjs278> because I thought daemon mode would just always be on
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1222 2011-04-15 06:08:05 <sacarlson> I guess it's not posible to use the old bitcoin gui to run a newer bitcoind is it?
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1224 2011-04-15 06:09:29 <lfm> sacarlson: um, you're not making sense
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1227 2011-04-15 06:10:41 <sacarlson> lfm: I found I can control bitcoind server with the old version of bitcoind by accedent, I was wondering if the same was true for the gui since I have the old libs for the old gui not the new libs for the new gui in ubuntu 10.04
1228 2011-04-15 06:11:12 <lfm> the gui with -server should be just like bitcoind
1229 2011-04-15 06:11:18 <gjs278> gah
1230 2011-04-15 06:11:25 <gjs278> the pidfile doesn't work with -testnet
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1232 2011-04-15 06:11:39 <gjs278> I am truely disappoint
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1234 2011-04-15 06:12:02 <sacarlson> lfm I can't compile the gui version with ease in ubuntu 10.04 without more downloading and compiling of libs
1235 2011-04-15 06:12:04 <gjs278> wait
1236 2011-04-15 06:12:05 <gjs278> nevermind
1237 2011-04-15 06:12:07 <gjs278> it does
1238 2011-04-15 06:12:12 <gjs278> it's just in /.bitcoin/testnet
1239 2011-04-15 06:12:21 <gjs278> cool
1240 2011-04-15 06:14:10 <lfm> i think you can actually run regular and testnet at the same time on one machine now
1241 2011-04-15 06:14:15 <gjs278> yep
1242 2011-04-15 06:14:18 <gjs278> different datadirs
1243 2011-04-15 06:14:19 <sacarlson> ok I answered my own question when I try to run the old bitcoin when the new bitcoind is running it gets an error so it tries to run it's own server
1244 2011-04-15 06:14:28 <gjs278> thats because
1245 2011-04-15 06:14:32 <gjs278> they would both try to access the wallet
1246 2011-04-15 06:14:35 <gjs278> which would be bad
1247 2011-04-15 06:14:49 <gjs278> it doesn't care about old new, even new/new might fail
1248 2011-04-15 06:15:06 <sacarlson> gjs278: I thought it would just start to json the transactions if the server was already running
1249 2011-04-15 06:15:28 <gjs278> client needs full access to wallet.dat
1250 2011-04-15 06:15:32 <gjs278> server also needs it
1251 2011-04-15 06:15:45 <gjs278> you could screw up your wallet.dat if they both tried to access it at the same time
1252 2011-04-15 06:16:05 <gjs278> [2011-03-15 01:12:01] PROOF OF WORK RESULT: false (booooo)
1253 2011-04-15 06:16:05 <sacarlson> gjs278: I thought the gui client was just a json client to the server so I thought it might work
1254 2011-04-15 06:16:16 <gjs278> nah
1255 2011-04-15 06:16:20 <gjs278> you can run the client without the server
1256 2011-04-15 06:16:21 <gjs278> well
1257 2011-04-15 06:16:23 <gjs278> you have to
1258 2011-04-15 06:17:15 <sacarlson> that's ok someday I'll make a simple gui that just does json to the bitcoind server if I ever get that smart
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1260 2011-04-15 06:17:41 <gjs278> luke-jr would cream his pants if he was reading this conversation
1261 2011-04-15 06:18:05 <sacarlson> luke-jr is cream a good thing?
1262 2011-04-15 06:18:15 <gjs278> you can try his spesmilo client
1263 2011-04-15 06:18:28 <gjs278> if you don't like the default
1264 2011-04-15 06:18:53 <gjs278> I believe it works by connecting to a bitcoind
1265 2011-04-15 06:19:02 <sacarlson> gjs278: is that a part of the git?
1266 2011-04-15 06:19:07 <gjs278> it's somewhere
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1268 2011-04-15 06:19:18 <gjs278> not in the main git per say, it's on its own little repo
1269 2011-04-15 06:19:56 <sacarlson> gjs278: probly easier and more usfull if I just had a browser interface
1270 2011-04-15 06:23:34 <sacarlson> isn't there a simple browser interface with php or java available to operate the bitcoind? for send and verify recieve confirmations?
1271 2011-04-15 06:23:50 <lfm> dont think so
1272 2011-04-15 06:24:12 <sacarlson> lfm: well I will start there then
1273 2011-04-15 06:24:19 <jgarzik> sacarlson: mybitcoin.com or mtgox.com
1274 2011-04-15 06:24:23 <gjs278> that would be a pain for people to setup compared to just doubleclick bitcoin.exe
1275 2011-04-15 06:24:27 <sacarlson> I'm sure I won't need any libs to get that to work
1276 2011-04-15 06:24:48 <lfm> well ya mybitcoin.com could qualify as that I guess
1277 2011-04-15 06:24:59 <jgarzik> no need to run a bitcoin client, to use bitcoins. several websites deposit and withdraw bitcoins.
1278 2011-04-15 06:25:35 <sacarlson> lfm: did mybitcoin.com release there code?
1279 2011-04-15 06:25:47 <gjs278> it's json
1280 2011-04-15 06:25:53 <gjs278> the code is pretty simple
1281 2011-04-15 06:25:57 <gjs278> there's nothing to really reveal
1282 2011-04-15 06:26:07 <gjs278> you auth against your localhost, you send it commands
1283 2011-04-15 06:26:31 <jgarzik> sacarlson: no
1284 2011-04-15 06:26:44 <sacarlson> gjs278: ya that's probly within my skill range
1285 2011-04-15 06:26:47 <lfm> anyway I dont think mybitcoin has opened there main site source
1286 2011-04-15 06:27:27 <sacarlson> lfm: I do have some open code from a site that's an exchange that I can look at for examples also
1287 2011-04-15 06:29:22 <jgarzik> Man, it's annoying when my machines get attacked by a botnet. They fly right into the honeypot of course, but still... wasted bandwidth and wasted CPU, trying stupid things like dictionary attack on ssh root user over a hundred-thousand times.
1288 2011-04-15 06:31:14 <gjs278> lol
1289 2011-04-15 06:31:29 <gjs278> put ssh on a different port, you'll cut it in half
1290 2011-04-15 06:33:25 <gjs278> jgarzik do they try any http attacks
1291 2011-04-15 06:33:33 <gjs278> because that's just asking for the 1tb gzipped 0 file
1292 2011-04-15 06:34:12 <gjs278> I don't care who you are, if you try a hit _vti_bin.dll you're getting an explosion sent back to you
1293 2011-04-15 06:34:27 <jgarzik> gjs278: heh, cute :)
1294 2011-04-15 06:34:37 <jgarzik> yeah, plenty of http attacks too
1295 2011-04-15 06:34:49 <gjs278> it really makes me mad when they fill my 404 logs too
1296 2011-04-15 06:34:58 <gjs278> because I actually look at those to make sure I don't kill any old links
1297 2011-04-15 06:35:00 <gjs278> but nooo
1298 2011-04-15 06:35:12 * kiba reads ton about space
1299 2011-04-15 06:35:18 <gjs278> bots everywhere deciding to hit /phpmyadmin 9000 times
1300 2011-04-15 06:35:24 <jgarzik> yep
1301 2011-04-15 06:35:41 <gjs278> /apply/admin/categories.php/login.php 98 times
1302 2011-04-15 06:35:45 <jgarzik> phpmyadmin sure is a major attack vector, according to my web logs
1303 2011-04-15 06:36:05 <gjs278> /register 36 times
1304 2011-04-15 06:36:41 <jgarzik> I need to put together some sort of distributed intelligence for my cluster, so that an attack on one machine bans that IP from all machines
1305 2011-04-15 06:37:00 <gjs278> do you use a load balancer
1306 2011-04-15 06:37:03 <sacarlson> jgarzik: I had that problem with ssh attacks, after I changed the port from 22 to another the problem went away
1307 2011-04-15 06:37:32 <jgarzik> home-built load balancer, though IPVS is on the horizon, if I grow
1308 2011-04-15 06:38:08 <gjs278> well
1309 2011-04-15 06:38:13 <gjs278> just ban them in the load balancer
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1311 2011-04-15 06:39:47 <gjs278> I personally don't ban anyone, it's not really that big of a drain on me
1312 2011-04-15 06:39:55 <gjs278> they want to waste their time oh well
1313 2011-04-15 06:40:11 <kiba> jgarzik: saw your name on GIMP history page
1314 2011-04-15 06:40:31 <gjs278> gimp 2.2 was the last good release
1315 2011-04-15 06:40:33 <jgarzik> gjs278: I drop their IPs in iptables on the machine in question
1316 2011-04-15 06:40:49 <gjs278> no iptables here, just an open 80 and 22
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1319 2011-04-15 06:43:13 <gjs278> go nuts chinese hackers
1320 2011-04-15 06:43:13 <gjs278> if I really really had to block anyone, I'd do it on the router level
1321 2011-04-15 06:44:18 <kiba> wonders why Chinese hackers are so pervalent
1322 2011-04-15 06:45:30 <gjs278> imagine living in china
1323 2011-04-15 06:45:35 <gjs278> what else would you have to do
1324 2011-04-15 06:46:05 <retinal> rather, what else is extremely profitable?
1325 2011-04-15 06:46:25 <gjs278> opium
1326 2011-04-15 06:46:49 <noagendamarket> being in the chinese government
1327 2011-04-15 06:46:49 <noagendamarket> =bribes
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1329 2011-04-15 06:48:19 <retinal> and in a completely separate train of thought, for some reason, I get better hashing performance over a x1 PCIe link
1330 2011-04-15 06:48:25 <retinal> as opposed to a full x16
1331 2011-04-15 06:48:33 <retinal> â(-｡ｰ;)â
1332 2011-04-15 06:49:33 <lfm> retinal: that makes no sense
1333 2011-04-15 06:50:14 <retinal> indeed it does not
1334 2011-04-15 06:50:22 <gjs278> user error
1335 2011-04-15 06:50:58 <retinal> in this case, the problem does not exist between keyboard and chair
1336 2011-04-15 06:51:50 <retinal> oh well, it's only a 20Mhash/s difference
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1338 2011-04-15 06:52:24 <gjs278> only 20mhash
1339 2011-04-15 06:52:26 <gjs278> what card is it
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1341 2011-04-15 06:53:05 <gjs278> for it to be a 20mhash difference, it better be a 5970
1342 2011-04-15 06:53:19 <retinal> 5870 running at 400MH/s over x1, 380MH/s over x16
1343 2011-04-15 06:53:49 <gjs278> what core clock
1344 2011-04-15 06:54:05 <retinal> core clocked at 1008MHz at stock voltage
1345 2011-04-15 06:54:09 <gjs278> wahhhhhhhh
1346 2011-04-15 06:54:11 <retinal> memory at 1200MHz
1347 2011-04-15 06:54:14 <gjs278> wahhhhhhhh
1348 2011-04-15 06:54:15 <gjs278> how
1349 2011-04-15 06:54:17 <retinal> everything over air and stable
1350 2011-04-15 06:54:18 <gjs278> what's your stock
1351 2011-04-15 06:54:22 <retinal> â(ï¿£ã¼ï¿£)â
1352 2011-04-15 06:54:24 <gjs278> lies
1353 2011-04-15 06:54:29 <retinal> 1.164V
1354 2011-04-15 06:54:30 <gjs278> mine is 1.2125
1355 2011-04-15 06:54:33 <gjs278> and I crash
1356 2011-04-15 06:54:36 <gjs278> at 975
1357 2011-04-15 06:54:38 <gjs278> instantly
1358 2011-04-15 06:54:42 <MagicalTux> wtf
1359 2011-04-15 06:54:52 <lfm> every card is a bit different
1360 2011-04-15 06:54:52 <MagicalTux> we have a guy who claims to have taken a lot from the bitcoin faucet ?
1361 2011-04-15 06:55:05 <gjs278> well okay every card is a little difference
1362 2011-04-15 06:55:10 <gjs278> but 1008 on 1.16
1363 2011-04-15 06:55:15 <gjs278> is a little ridiculous
1364 2011-04-15 06:55:18 <retinal> well, what proof do you want?
1365 2011-04-15 06:55:26 <gjs278> the brand so I can buy it next time
1366 2011-04-15 06:55:52 <retinal> it's discontinued
1367 2011-04-15 06:56:02 <retinal> sec, screencapping stuff :>
1368 2011-04-15 06:56:07 <gjs278> what is this hipster graphics cards
1369 2011-04-15 06:56:28 <retinal> msi 5870 lightning ii
1370 2011-04-15 06:56:32 <gjs278> ok
1371 2011-04-15 06:56:39 <retinal> grabbed it for $220 a while back
1372 2011-04-15 06:56:49 <retinal> amazon sent me one with chinese packaging
1373 2011-04-15 06:56:51 <gjs278> I don't care for proof, but it would be cool to see a gpu-z screenshot of it in action
1374 2011-04-15 06:56:55 <gjs278> because thats pretty impressive
1375 2011-04-15 06:56:57 <retinal> but imagine my surprise :>
1376 2011-04-15 06:57:28 <retinal> alright, sec; I'm doing everything over VNC
1377 2011-04-15 06:57:43 <gjs278> I'm on opencl 2.2/11.3 driver/64-bit linux and I can crash at even 950 if I use it long enough
1378 2011-04-15 06:58:41 <gjs278> which gets me 352mhash while doing -f60
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1380 2011-04-15 07:01:40 <retinal> gjs278: http://i53.tinypic.com/5v97v7.png
1381 2011-04-15 07:02:11 <gjs278> damn
1382 2011-04-15 07:02:19 <retinal> PCI-E 2.0x16 gets 380MH/s
1383 2011-04-15 07:02:30 <retinal> but x1 gets 400MH/s, everything else constant
1384 2011-04-15 07:02:33 <retinal> makes no sense
1385 2011-04-15 07:02:35 <retinal> ã½( ｡ ã®ï¾)ã
1386 2011-04-15 07:02:36 <retinal> ã½( ï¾ã® ｡)ã
1387 2011-04-15 07:02:55 <gjs278> $220 insane deal too
1388 2011-04-15 07:03:21 <retinal> I only got it as replacement for my 8800GTS that I bought back in '06
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1391 2011-04-15 07:03:35 <retinal> getting all these bitcoins is just a side benefit :>
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1393 2011-04-15 07:04:07 <retinal> the non-reference PCB makes fitting it into a mini-tower quite difficult
1394 2011-04-15 07:04:27 <gjs278> I wonder why my card crashes at 975 even with 1.2
1395 2011-04-15 07:04:43 <retinal> different components
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1397 2011-04-15 07:04:56 <gjs278> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121374 is the card I'm on right now
1398 2011-04-15 07:05:01 <retinal> the card I have is advertised to have all these fancy schmancy high end components
1399 2011-04-15 07:05:11 <retinal> it even has 2x8-pin PCIe power connectors
1400 2011-04-15 07:05:39 <retinal> nice
1401 2011-04-15 07:05:40 <gjs278> yeah
1402 2011-04-15 07:05:44 <gjs278> I have 1 4 and 1 3
1403 2011-04-15 07:05:52 <retinal> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127509 was what I got
1404 2011-04-15 07:05:54 <gjs278> so and 8 and a 6
1405 2011-04-15 07:07:19 <retinal> well, if you do happen to be in the market for a card similar to mine, just note that there's a lightning II and a I
1406 2011-04-15 07:07:31 <retinal> you definitely want the II, as it has a better heatsink design
1407 2011-04-15 07:07:40 <gjs278> I would be if the stupid cooler on this thing didnt take up two pci slots on me
1408 2011-04-15 07:07:49 <gjs278> I'd have to move it back to the 1x slot
1409 2011-04-15 07:08:07 <retinal> and back to the problem at hand: x1 > x16. why.
1410 2011-04-15 07:08:19 <retinal> wrryyyy
1411 2011-04-15 07:08:27 <gjs278> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131641 is my board
1412 2011-04-15 07:08:35 <gjs278> I have the card in far the dark blue
1413 2011-04-15 07:08:41 <gjs278> and it covers the next one as well ;_;
1414 2011-04-15 07:08:54 <gjs278> because the asus is a vacuum cleaner and I had to replace the fan
1415 2011-04-15 07:10:30 <retinal> as much as I like ASUS, I've had a comical time with their BIOS updates in the past
1416 2011-04-15 07:11:08 <retinal> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130274 is what I'm running on
1417 2011-04-15 07:11:36 <kiba> yay!
1418 2011-04-15 07:11:46 <retinal> snagged it on sale and it has a BIOS update for BD CPUs when they come out
1419 2011-04-15 07:11:47 <kiba> Bitcoin is mentioned in a linux magazine
1420 2011-04-15 07:12:11 <kiba> http://www.linuxmag.nl/dit-nummer.html
1421 2011-04-15 07:12:13 <retinal> kiba: print magazine?
1422 2011-04-15 07:12:26 <retinal> ah, online
1423 2011-04-15 07:12:33 <retinal> or wait
1424 2011-04-15 07:12:34 <Diablo-D3> http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/216245_216462078369366_100000167257211_959633_1579092_n.jpg
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1426 2011-04-15 07:14:49 <sacarlson> I'm not sure what's changed but now I at least see the transactions within 1 secound now that I provide a fee of .02 on both sides in testnet
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1428 2011-04-15 07:26:43 <roconnor__> sacarlson: morning
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1430 2011-04-15 07:27:02 <sacarlson> roconnor: what's up?
1431 2011-04-15 07:28:24 <roconnor> Working on implementing the ECDSA stuff.
1432 2011-04-15 07:28:35 <roconnor> (in my library)
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1440 2011-04-15 07:43:59 <kiba> is the bitcoin forum down?
1441 2011-04-15 07:45:14 <jgarzik> kiba: no
1442 2011-04-15 07:50:10 <kiba> somebody made a 3D game in emacs O_o
1443 2011-04-15 07:50:20 <kiba> http://d.hatena.ne.jp/kiwanami/20110413/1302709536
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1447 2011-04-15 07:51:25 <lfm> did they port Doom (v1) ?
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1453 2011-04-15 08:07:58 <MagicalTux> kiba, japanese ppl are crazy
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1460 2011-04-15 08:12:22 <BlueMatt> witten: ping
1461 2011-04-15 08:12:39 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik http-version * ra5843203574a bitcoind-personal/ (init.cpp ui.cpp util.cpp util.h): Ensure version number->string conversion is consistent http://tinyurl.com/3nvmcrs
1462 2011-04-15 08:12:42 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik http-version * r17616eac1797 bitcoind-personal/rpc.cpp: Send/return full bitcoin version string in Server and User-Agent HTTP headers http://tinyurl.com/3q8nngf
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1497 2011-04-15 09:05:58 <topi`_> kiba: that's cool :D my elisp skills would not suffice for that
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1504 2011-04-15 09:23:31 <topi`_> here's an interesting article about SEC considering crowdfunding thru the 'net and social media:
1505 2011-04-15 09:23:35 <topi`_> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/opening-up-crowdfunding-as-a-mechanism-for-equity-investment/2011/04/14
1506 2011-04-15 09:23:48 <topi`_> don't know yet if that would include investments made through Bitcoin, maybe.
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1510 2011-04-15 09:33:36 <topi`_> this is also interesting, the Greeks are already using alternative currencies for their daily exchange: http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/alternative-exchange-systems-in-contemporary-greece-review/2011/04/15?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+P2pFoundation+%28P2P+Foundation%29
1511 2011-04-15 09:34:06 <topi`_> I wonder if all those local currencies are legal under EU law.
1512 2011-04-15 09:36:38 <Insti> Anything involving the SEC is too much government intervention.
1513 2011-04-15 09:40:05 <Diablo-D3> FUCKING BULLSHIT
1514 2011-04-15 09:40:12 <Diablo-D3> THATS IMPOSSIBLE
1515 2011-04-15 09:40:43 * Diablo-D3 benchmarks his miner
1516 2011-04-15 09:41:22 <retinal> wah
1517 2011-04-15 09:41:40 <nathan7> Diablo-D3: :O
1518 2011-04-15 09:41:53 <Diablo-D3> okay I was right
1519 2011-04-15 09:41:55 <Diablo-D3> its impossible.
1520 2011-04-15 09:46:36 <Diablo-D3> it was reading higher than it should have after a minor change
1521 2011-04-15 09:47:47 <nathan7> :o
1522 2011-04-15 09:52:12 <krytzz> we need greeks here :)
1523 2011-04-15 09:52:57 <Diablo-D3> okay
1524 2011-04-15 09:52:58 <Diablo-D3> so
1525 2011-04-15 09:53:00 <Diablo-D3> my 4850
1526 2011-04-15 09:53:08 <Diablo-D3> is now doing 76.5 mhash/sec
1527 2011-04-15 09:53:13 <Diablo-D3> I think I have hit a new high
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1529 2011-04-15 09:54:23 <lfm> wtg
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1531 2011-04-15 09:54:45 <Diablo-D3> that code I did ysterday wasnt quite what I wanted
1532 2011-04-15 09:54:49 <Diablo-D3> I kept making new buffers
1533 2011-04-15 09:54:52 <Diablo-D3> thats not the right answer
1534 2011-04-15 09:55:14 <Diablo-D3> just make two and flip between kernel executions
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1536 2011-04-15 09:55:55 <Diablo-D3> that seems to be the last final speed increase for real
1537 2011-04-15 09:56:10 <krytzz> would be awesome to make bitcoin popular in greece
1538 2011-04-15 09:57:08 <topi`_> krytzz: do you know any greeks? :)
1539 2011-04-15 09:57:18 <jeremias> ol
1540 2011-04-15 09:57:43 <krytzz> topi`_: not really
1541 2011-04-15 09:57:46 <Diablo-D3> I think Art said the theoretical max on a 4850 is 77 something
1542 2011-04-15 09:57:53 <Diablo-D3> so zoomj
1543 2011-04-15 09:58:26 <topi`_> has anybody benchmarked how long would it take to start the bitcoin client on an iPhone or android phone?
1544 2011-04-15 09:58:37 <CIA-89> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * r46af477 / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Creating new buffers constantly isn't the answer, double buffering is - http://bit.ly/gGRk3n
1545 2011-04-15 09:58:40 <topi`_> assuming that the block cache would already exist.
1546 2011-04-15 09:58:41 <krytzz> depends on the sd card topi`_
1547 2011-04-15 09:58:59 <topi`_> my blockcache + wallet.dat seems to be 250 megabytes in size.
1548 2011-04-15 09:59:05 <topi`_> is the blockcache compressed?
1549 2011-04-15 09:59:12 <lfm> topi`_: give it up!
1550 2011-04-15 09:59:18 <krytzz> i think not
1551 2011-04-15 09:59:26 <krytzz> i agree with lfm :p
1552 2011-04-15 09:59:33 <krytzz> rather do an rpc client on a phone
1553 2011-04-15 09:59:41 <lfm> it stupid to run the client on a phone
1554 2011-04-15 09:59:52 <Diablo-D3> whos using my miner in here?
1555 2011-04-15 09:59:55 * sipa
1556 2011-04-15 10:00:26 <topi`_> krytzz: if you'd have a rpc client on the phone, then you'd need a computer that's on the 'net and runs the actuan client
1557 2011-04-15 10:00:28 * Diablo-D3 kicks upload until it uploads faster
1558 2011-04-15 10:00:50 <krytzz> topi`_: right but that will be less and less of a problem
1559 2011-04-15 10:00:50 <topi`_> when everybody finally has a IPv6 without NAT then it could be possible
1560 2011-04-15 10:01:07 <topi`_> of course, you can use a bitcoin wallet service. but I would not.
1561 2011-04-15 10:01:13 <krytzz> topi`_: routers are getting better and be able to install "apps" and everything
1562 2011-04-15 10:01:50 <sipa> Diablo-D3: seems a bit faster than before
1563 2011-04-15 10:02:07 <sipa> maybe statistical variance
1564 2011-04-15 10:02:22 <Diablo-D3> sipa: but I didnt finish uploading it yet?
1565 2011-04-15 10:02:26 <Diablo-D3> now its done
1566 2011-04-15 10:02:59 <krytzz> topi`_: also you can do the port-forwarding configuration via upnp nowadays
1567 2011-04-15 10:03:18 <topi`_> wallet.dat compresses at 67%, blkindex.dat at 35% and blk0001.dat at 28% (using bzip2)
1568 2011-04-15 10:03:19 <Diablo-D3> sipa: the version before this one was trying to cheat by constantly creating new buffers
1569 2011-04-15 10:03:27 <Diablo-D3> topi`_: try lrzip
1570 2011-04-15 10:03:37 <Diablo-D3> topi`_: best compression program ever
1571 2011-04-15 10:04:01 <topi`_> but what are these __db.00? files about? they're mostly very low entropy, compress at 90% or more
1572 2011-04-15 10:04:04 <Diablo-D3> sipa: just creating two and flipping seems to be superior
1573 2011-04-15 10:04:11 <Diablo-D3> topi`_: internally used by bdb
1574 2011-04-15 10:05:15 <topi`_> oh, ok
1575 2011-04-15 10:05:27 <Diablo-D3> you dont have to keep them
1576 2011-04-15 10:05:51 <topi`_> so you just need blk0001.dat and blkindex.dat?
1577 2011-04-15 10:06:00 <topi`_> (unless you're prepared to re-download them)
1578 2011-04-15 10:06:07 <Diablo-D3> and wallet.dat
1579 2011-04-15 10:06:12 <topi`_> hehe :D
1580 2011-04-15 10:06:55 <lfm> you dont need the blk files, you can always get them again
1581 2011-04-15 10:07:11 <Diablo-D3> lfm: he doesnt want to download again
1582 2011-04-15 10:07:33 <topi`_> it can take hours
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1585 2011-04-15 10:09:29 <BlueMatt> ha wikipedia bitcoin had to be protected because people keep posting their addresses
1586 2011-04-15 10:09:59 <Diablo-D3> So yeah
1587 2011-04-15 10:09:59 <Diablo-D3> like
1588 2011-04-15 10:10:05 <Diablo-D3> m0 can never win now
1589 2011-04-15 10:10:37 <da2ce7> wikipedia should have a system where you say how many coins you are going to send... they create an address for the transaction, you send the coins.
1590 2011-04-15 10:10:54 <krytzz> haha BlueMatt
1591 2011-04-15 10:10:54 <da2ce7> if more than the coins said are sent, then they bounce the coins back
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1597 2011-04-15 10:28:37 <Diablo-D3> seriously
1598 2011-04-15 10:28:44 <Diablo-D3> I HAZ THE FASTEST MINAR EVAR
1599 2011-04-15 10:31:22 <ersi> blocks or it didn't happen
1600 2011-04-15 10:32:16 <lfm> for 4850s
1601 2011-04-15 10:32:51 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: so I should 'git pull && mvn packge' ?
1602 2011-04-15 10:33:07 <cosurgi> :)
1603 2011-04-15 10:34:55 <Diablo-D3> cosurgi: yes
1604 2011-04-15 10:34:59 <Diablo-D3> lfm: no, for 5xxx too
1605 2011-04-15 10:35:08 <Diablo-D3> remember, Ive had the looping code for awhile
1606 2011-04-15 10:35:21 <da2ce7> what is luke's bitcoin monitor chanel again?
1607 2011-04-15 10:35:31 <krytzz> #bitcoin-watch
1608 2011-04-15 10:35:34 <da2ce7> thx
1609 2011-04-15 10:38:34 <cosurgi> Diablo-D3: done :) Are your optimizations affecting my optimal flags? " -w 64 -f 4 "
1610 2011-04-15 10:38:50 <cosurgi> 5870, 5850, 5830 here.
1611 2011-04-15 10:39:11 <cosurgi> I did a benchmark last month, and those flags seemed to be optimal for me.
1612 2011-04-15 10:39:43 <taco_the_paco> all lies Diablo-D3! ;p
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1615 2011-04-15 10:46:19 <kokjo> 14SqHFdGcBLA77RJFNkioWbCsrtSr5GnKn
1616 2011-04-15 10:47:13 <da2ce7> finding conenctions with bitcoin is slow!
1617 2011-04-15 10:47:55 <BlueMatt> da2ce7: tried upnp?
1618 2011-04-15 10:48:08 <da2ce7> nope.
1619 2011-04-15 10:48:15 <da2ce7> I'm running on tor
1620 2011-04-15 10:48:18 <da2ce7> so dont' need it
1621 2011-04-15 10:48:28 <kokjo> tor IS slow
1622 2011-04-15 10:48:29 <BlueMatt> oh, yea well tor is always slow as fuck anyway
1623 2011-04-15 10:48:49 <da2ce7> bit is shouldn't be so fucking slow for just finding peers
1624 2011-04-15 10:48:57 <da2ce7> aka 30min 3 peers
1625 2011-04-15 10:49:19 <BlueMatt> if you cant take incomming connections, it should
1626 2011-04-15 10:50:12 <BlueMatt> well, it shouldnt but bitcoin has serious problems with keeping enough outgoing connections open
1627 2011-04-15 10:50:19 <BlueMatt> IMHO it should be more aggressive
1628 2011-04-15 10:51:00 <da2ce7> I think that it should use a random port
1629 2011-04-15 10:51:07 <da2ce7> on each startup
1630 2011-04-15 10:51:28 <da2ce7> so if there is like 1000 bitcoins all comeing out of the same exit node they dont' clash
1631 2011-04-15 10:53:23 <BlueMatt> da2ce7: that has been discussed at length and the end conclusion was probably best not to do that
1632 2011-04-15 10:53:39 <topi`_> we need translations for the www.bitcoin.org page ... I guess this is a known issue? :)
1633 2011-04-15 10:53:55 <BlueMatt> though opening a new thread for that specific issue might be good if you really want it
1634 2011-04-15 10:54:05 <da2ce7> can you point me to the conclusion?
1635 2011-04-15 10:54:50 <BlueMatt> da2ce7: mostly in irc (youll have to cntl-f through the logs) but also the thread of MadHatter's bounty
1636 2011-04-15 10:55:12 <BlueMatt> should still be on the fist page of dev
1637 2011-04-15 10:55:21 <da2ce7> cool
1638 2011-04-15 10:55:33 <da2ce7> well we need to get the btcfn up and running asap anyway
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1641 2011-04-15 10:59:32 <Keefe> anyone know if there's a way to get the bitcoin.org forum to email me private messages?
1642 2011-04-15 11:00:23 <Keefe> i know SMF is capable of doing so, but either i'm just overlooking some profile option, or the forum admin disabled that feature?
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1645 2011-04-15 11:03:25 <BlueMatt> Keefe: its really on-and-off for some reasons
1646 2011-04-15 11:03:43 <Keefe> i've *never* received a pm by email
1647 2011-04-15 11:03:46 <BlueMatt> it works sometimes (check your preferences and such) but it only works normally
1648 2011-04-15 11:03:56 <BlueMatt> I think Ive got a thread response email once
1649 2011-04-15 11:04:00 <BlueMatt> never a pm email
1650 2011-04-15 11:04:11 <BlueMatt> though I have that on, and should ahve gotten many more thread emails
1651 2011-04-15 11:04:20 <Keefe> mm :(
1652 2011-04-15 11:04:54 <Keefe> maybe i should make a script to poll the messages page every few minutes :)
1653 2011-04-15 11:05:53 <BlueMatt> if you do, please share
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1655 2011-04-15 11:10:02 <sirius-m> hmm... wouldn't it be cool if you could use bitcoind and 3rd party wallet services with the same json api
1656 2011-04-15 11:10:15 <sirius-m> you could use a browser plugin for the ui
1657 2011-04-15 11:10:34 <sirius-m> or lightweight mobile clients
1658 2011-04-15 11:11:17 <da2ce7> we will need to implment bitcoind over tls
1659 2011-04-15 11:11:33 <da2ce7> and hashed passwords etc
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1668 2011-04-15 11:22:03 <BlueMatt> still, sirius has a point
1669 2011-04-15 11:22:25 <BlueMatt> rpc already has ssl support (and can easily use tls if you just use a lighttpd/apache proxy)
1670 2011-04-15 11:22:44 <BlueMatt> though hashed passes is a good point (though I use hashed passes on my rpc handled by a lighttpd proxy)
1671 2011-04-15 11:22:56 <BlueMatt> and it works fine for js-ui and the bitcoin chrome plugin
1672 2011-04-15 11:23:17 <BlueMatt> it would just be great if mybitcoin implemented some basic rpc stuff
1673 2011-04-15 11:24:55 <BlueMatt> hashed passes being http digest auth, not ideal but good enough
1674 2011-04-15 11:25:03 <BlueMatt> esp over ssl
1675 2011-04-15 11:36:39 <da2ce7> http://lorelei.kaverit.org/cgi/calc.py
1676 2011-04-15 11:36:45 <da2ce7> wow useful!
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1680 2011-04-15 11:53:29 <topi`_> da2ce7: power calculations are always useful if you really want to know if it is worth to mine or not :)
1681 2011-04-15 11:53:37 <topi`_> (unless your parents pay the electricity bill)
1682 2011-04-15 11:53:44 <da2ce7> :P
1683 2011-04-15 11:53:45 <topi`_> but then again, that money is away from your parents.
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1685 2011-04-15 11:54:00 <da2ce7> there is no such thing as a free lunch
1686 2011-04-15 11:54:11 <da2ce7> (just a very cheap one)
1687 2011-04-15 11:54:18 <topi`_> hehe :)
1688 2011-04-15 11:54:30 <ersi> But I'm hand-cranking my computer! And I get the lunches paid for!
1689 2011-04-15 11:54:34 <topi`_> yesterday we had some lunch with some kind of business dude who's very interested in bitcoin
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1691 2011-04-15 11:54:46 <da2ce7> nice
1692 2011-04-15 11:54:48 <topi`_> *that* was a very expensive lunch :D and the restaurant did not accept BTC.
1693 2011-04-15 11:54:53 <da2ce7> :(
1694 2011-04-15 11:55:05 <topi`_> I wonder where genjix ended up, he seems to be offline ;)
1695 2011-04-15 11:55:26 <da2ce7> should have bought the restaurant and made it the first bitcoin accepting place to get food.
1696 2011-04-15 11:55:28 <da2ce7> :O
1697 2011-04-15 11:55:35 <topi`_> I think the guy just fell in love with genjix :D
1698 2011-04-15 11:55:54 <da2ce7> oooh a gay crush in the bitcoin community!
1699 2011-04-15 11:56:04 <topi`_> but he was clever enough to understand the huge potential in BTC
1700 2011-04-15 11:56:04 <da2ce7> we need a bitcoin trashy mag
1701 2011-04-15 11:56:25 <da2ce7> :)
1702 2011-04-15 11:56:34 <topi`_> I have no idea if genjix is gay or not :) neither is that my business at all.
1703 2011-04-15 11:57:02 <topi`_> I judge people by their thoughts and ideas, not lifestyle.
1704 2011-04-15 11:57:09 <da2ce7> I have to go an visit you guys when i'm in GB
1705 2011-04-15 11:57:33 <topi`_> random bitcoin meetings :)
1706 2011-04-15 11:57:53 * da2ce7 is planing to have his entire international trip payed for with bitcoins
1707 2011-04-15 11:57:58 <topi`_> I think pretty much everyone from the audience (from genjix presentation a week ago) got excited about bitcoin
1708 2011-04-15 11:58:14 <da2ce7> yeah, saw the vid of it.
1709 2011-04-15 11:58:21 <da2ce7> kinda crazy stuff
1710 2011-04-15 11:58:27 <topi`_> no,I mean the preceding day presentation :)
1711 2011-04-15 11:58:34 <topi`_> of which I think there is no video.
1712 2011-04-15 11:58:36 <da2ce7> OH
1713 2011-04-15 11:58:43 <da2ce7> cool
1714 2011-04-15 11:58:50 <topi`_> but it was a room full of geeks and artists, so no suits.
1715 2011-04-15 11:58:57 <da2ce7> oh
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1717 2011-04-15 11:59:54 <da2ce7> should check out one of my projects: https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5818.0
1718 2011-04-15 12:00:00 <da2ce7> what do you think?
1719 2011-04-15 12:00:12 <topi`_> I think the first thing where bitcoin could be useful, would be a GSM/3G operator who could be paid in bitcoins
1720 2011-04-15 12:00:18 <topi`_> because we *all* need connectivity
1721 2011-04-15 12:00:24 <da2ce7> yeah
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1723 2011-04-15 12:01:24 <da2ce7> why dont' you get a propper market maker for britcoin?
1724 2011-04-15 12:02:00 <topi`_> da2ce7: just a thought, but streaming to 1000 clients starts to demand a lot of bandwidth (which is costly, still)
1725 2011-04-15 12:02:15 <topi`_> what do you mean with "market maker"?
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1727 2011-04-15 12:02:43 <da2ce7> sombody who has large/medium sized asks, and bids at close to the market rate.
1728 2011-04-15 12:02:56 <da2ce7> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Market_maker
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1730 2011-04-15 12:03:28 <da2ce7> I'm sure for a few hundred BTC I can get some good dedicated servers.
1731 2011-04-15 12:04:00 <da2ce7> well anyway that is why I'm looking for investors.
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1734 2011-04-15 12:08:10 <kokjo> pleas give some coins to: 14SqHFdGcBLA77RJFNkioWbCsrtSr5GnKn
1735 2011-04-15 12:08:21 <da2ce7> kokjo? what do you need them for?
1736 2011-04-15 12:08:32 <da2ce7> you can get loans on the forum or over OTC
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1739 2011-04-15 12:09:44 <kokjo> nothing, just to play with. see how it works
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1741 2011-04-15 12:10:14 <da2ce7> should go to coinpal, they are quite good for small ammounts
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1743 2011-04-15 12:10:53 <da2ce7> if you have some skills or goods you could offer them for bitcoin also
1744 2011-04-15 12:11:49 <kokjo> i know, but i dont have any useful skills, to get money
1745 2011-04-15 12:12:23 <da2ce7> :O that is a shame... well I bought my bitcoins.
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1747 2011-04-15 12:15:15 <ersi> kokjo: Tried the Bitcoin Faucet? It'll give you 0.05BTC to play around with.
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1749 2011-04-15 12:15:49 <kokjo> ersi: it's closed
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1751 2011-04-15 12:16:02 <da2ce7> kokjo, I'll send you 0.1
1752 2011-04-15 12:16:07 <ersi> Oh, heh.
1753 2011-04-15 12:16:13 <kokjo> thanks :D
1754 2011-04-15 12:16:42 <da2ce7> but be creative, you'd be supprised about what you can do to get bitcoin
1755 2011-04-15 12:16:43 <kokjo> nice i can see it. :)
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1758 2011-04-15 12:18:10 <da2ce7> you could set up a bitcoin in-person extange in denmark
1759 2011-04-15 12:18:19 <da2ce7> make a 1% cut on all your transactions.
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1761 2011-04-15 12:18:43 <kokjo> well its sounds like a good idea
1762 2011-04-15 12:19:41 <da2ce7> you just need a netbook, a spredsheet, and bitcoin
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1765 2011-04-15 12:20:25 <da2ce7> and a float
1766 2011-04-15 12:20:52 <kokjo> float?
1767 2011-04-15 12:21:08 <ersi> lol
1768 2011-04-15 12:21:17 <da2ce7> some euro and some bitcoin
1769 2011-04-15 12:22:00 <kokjo> ...
1770 2011-04-15 12:23:07 <da2ce7> could you find 1000 euro easy? well take half of it, go to bitcoin-otc trade it for bitcoin. Then you have 500Euro and arround 700 BTC
1771 2011-04-15 12:23:50 <da2ce7> then you tell all your friends about bitcoin, show them how to set it up, and sell them some.
1772 2011-04-15 12:23:55 <kokjo> no i cuold not
1773 2011-04-15 12:24:09 <kokjo> i just don't have the money
1774 2011-04-15 12:24:10 <kokjo> :(
1775 2011-04-15 12:24:33 <kokjo> how to set it up, is no problem
1776 2011-04-15 12:25:16 <da2ce7> why dont' you put out some flyers saying 'I will fix you computer for euro,' and while you are fixing their computer, tell them about bitcoin
1777 2011-04-15 12:26:53 <kokjo> i chuold do that. sounds fun to.
1778 2011-04-15 12:31:06 <kokjo> see ya! im going to fix some computeres :)
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1784 2011-04-15 12:39:18 <da2ce7> anyone want to help me migrate over bitcoin service to my vps?
1785 2011-04-15 12:39:25 <da2ce7> I will pay btc
1786 2011-04-15 12:39:36 <da2ce7> I am looking for a developer to make it much better
1787 2011-04-15 12:39:59 <ersi> What service?
1788 2011-04-15 12:40:07 <da2ce7> https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5879.0
1789 2011-04-15 12:40:35 * da2ce7 is not a developer...
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1792 2011-04-15 12:41:56 <ersi> da2ce7: Just setting it up on your VPS, or actually developing it?
1793 2011-04-15 12:42:20 <ersi> Setting the existant code-base up, hosted on your vps*
1794 2011-04-15 12:42:43 <da2ce7> I don't really care if it is the same developer or not
1795 2011-04-15 12:43:23 <da2ce7> I really am buying it for it's brandname
1796 2011-04-15 12:44:43 <da2ce7> I'm good at concepts, high level design, business plans, etc
1797 2011-04-15 12:44:53 <da2ce7> not good at admin, or anthing like that,
1798 2011-04-15 12:53:24 <ersi> I think we got a mismatch in question and answer :)
1799 2011-04-15 12:54:08 <ersi> I was wondering/assuming, if you're buying the domain and existing code - and wanted help setting it up on your own server. Or if you wanted a developer to code stuff for you, for the concept/site?
1800 2011-04-15 12:56:02 <bencoder> thanks da2ce7
1801 2011-04-15 12:56:16 <bencoder> that was faster than I expected
1802 2011-04-15 12:56:22 <da2ce7> :)
1803 2011-04-15 12:56:35 <bencoder> give me a little while to get my stuff together
1804 2011-04-15 12:56:45 <da2ce7> cool
1805 2011-04-15 12:57:14 <ersi> I'm a good/decent admin, not a good/decent coder though :)
1806 2011-04-15 12:57:27 <da2ce7> great! I need a admin, what is your price?
1807 2011-04-15 12:58:28 <ersi> Depends on what needs doing :) I can setup and fiddle with services (ie web, databases, email, php, random linux/*nix services) with good confidence
1808 2011-04-15 12:59:09 batouzo has joined
1809 2011-04-15 12:59:18 <batouzo> hello fellow bitcoiners
1810 2011-04-15 12:59:28 <da2ce7> hey! :)
1811 2011-04-15 12:59:37 <batouzo> ArtForz, you have an awesome mining far right? Would you be publishing some photos of it?
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1814 2011-04-15 13:01:26 <noagendamarket> I confirm da2ce7 is good at what he says he is :)
1815 2011-04-15 13:01:27 <[Tycho]> There are already photos of his GPU rig
1816 2011-04-15 13:01:50 <batouzo> I seen one photo of single server (with 4 radeons), where are others? there should be some cool gallery =)
1817 2011-04-15 13:03:35 <[Tycho]> It's not a server, it's a client :)
1818 2011-04-15 13:04:43 <batouzo> it serves to make new economy ;)
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1834 2011-04-15 13:20:09 <warpi> hello, im trying to add funds to mx got, and i thought libre reserve seems ok. but how do i add funds to libre reserve?
1835 2011-04-15 13:21:00 <da2ce7> warpi, if you can, use the wire option, it is cheaper for larger ammounts
1836 2011-04-15 13:21:34 <warpi> okay
1837 2011-04-15 13:21:47 <warpi> is this a good benchmark site?
1838 2011-04-15 13:21:47 <warpi> http://www.bsrates.com/
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1842 2011-04-15 13:23:45 <topi`_> da2ce7: some suggestions for bitcoinservice.co.uk ... first, make the fee smaller. I think 10% sounds like a high fee, make it 2% or less.
1843 2011-04-15 13:24:34 <topi`_> bencoder: is the site implemented in some common web framework?
1844 2011-04-15 13:24:54 <da2ce7> topi`, I have a plan, don't worry.
1845 2011-04-15 13:25:07 <topi`_> :)
1846 2011-04-15 13:25:22 <topi`_> da2ce7: if you need a professional python coder, I work for a small BTC fee ;)
1847 2011-04-15 13:25:37 <warpi> da2ce7, https://ecardone.com/ seems to have small fees on bankwire, right?
1848 2011-04-15 13:25:38 <da2ce7> :D :D I'll be intersted in that.
1849 2011-04-15 13:25:40 <da2ce7> :)
1850 2011-04-15 13:26:04 <topi`_> da2ce7: my normal consultation fee is 120eur / hour but since I expect the btc to go up to $2 and further, I'm willing to work for 60 BTC / hour :)
1851 2011-04-15 13:26:23 <da2ce7> OMG, now you think that I'm made of moeny.
1852 2011-04-15 13:26:25 <topi`_> or even 40btc if the project is fun ;)
1853 2011-04-15 13:26:27 <da2ce7> *bic
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1855 2011-04-15 13:26:35 <topi`_> ok, the first hour is for free.
1856 2011-04-15 13:26:43 <topi`_> you're awfully keen on bidding, aren't you!
1857 2011-04-15 13:26:58 <noagendamarket> well it fits with other stuff
1858 2011-04-15 13:27:11 <noagendamarket> that da2ce7 is doing
1859 2011-04-15 13:27:11 <eps2> ;;bc,stats
1860 2011-04-15 13:27:14 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118487 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 456 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 17 hours, 59 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 91796.90426827
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1862 2011-04-15 13:31:57 <bencoder> topi`_: no it's all custom but it's fairly clean
1863 2011-04-15 13:32:54 <topi`_> bencoder: did you do it in python? or some other language?
1864 2011-04-15 13:33:02 <topi`_> I always do custom stuff, and always in python ;)
1865 2011-04-15 13:33:12 <bencoder> it's php
1866 2011-04-15 13:33:30 <topi`_> ok, then it's not a real language :D
1867 2011-04-15 13:33:31 <topi`_> sorry
1868 2011-04-15 13:33:39 <luke-jr> topi`_: neither is Python
1869 2011-04-15 13:33:42 <topi`_> (i'm biased)
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1871 2011-04-15 13:34:08 <topi`_> luke-jr: python is just fine for a nice runtime-environment full of various modules ;)
1872 2011-04-15 13:34:28 <bencoder> php has a bad rep but it can be done okay. python is better because it's harder to do shit with, but it's still possible :)
1873 2011-04-15 13:34:30 <topi`_> I admit that the python-C api is a bit heavy
1874 2011-04-15 13:35:40 <ersi> It mostly depends on the person who weild the tool.
1875 2011-04-15 13:36:03 <ersi> You can write terribly crappy code in any language.
1876 2011-04-15 13:36:08 <luke-jr> actually no
1877 2011-04-15 13:36:16 <luke-jr> PHP will leak memory even if you do everything sanely
1878 2011-04-15 13:36:37 <Diablo-D3> php is a pile of shit
1879 2011-04-15 13:36:39 <Diablo-D3> is anyone surprised
1880 2011-04-15 13:36:40 <lfm> yup, good programmers can overcome bad tools easier the good tools can overcome bad programmers
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1882 2011-04-15 13:36:58 <Diablo-D3> yes but
1883 2011-04-15 13:37:10 <Diablo-D3> bad tools can overcome good programers easier than either of those
1884 2011-04-15 13:37:16 <Diablo-D3> and if its bad tools and bad programmers? you're fucked
1885 2011-04-15 13:37:20 <ersi> Most things are, what you make thme.
1886 2011-04-15 13:38:07 <da2ce7> I don't care what it is made in, providing it is stable, secure and FAST
1887 2011-04-15 13:38:17 <Diablo-D3> da2ce7: java.
1888 2011-04-15 13:38:50 <ersi> People who think someone should refactor their existing running code to another one, just because, deserve a smackdown.
1889 2011-04-15 13:39:13 * da2ce7 like ASP.net MVC, but that it just a matter of taste.
1890 2011-04-15 13:39:20 <da2ce7> *likes.
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1892 2011-04-15 13:41:14 <da2ce7> I really don't care, providing it dose the job well, and isn't a bitch to extend and maintain
1893 2011-04-15 13:41:20 <topi`_> I just *love* programming language flamewars :D
1894 2011-04-15 13:41:20 <eps2> ;;bc,stats
1895 2011-04-15 13:41:22 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118488 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 455 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 17 hours, 58 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 91785.13367384
1896 2011-04-15 13:41:46 <lfm> topi`_: thats is stage 7 sick
1897 2011-04-15 13:42:20 <lfm> not good sick either
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1899 2011-04-15 13:43:00 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: he said fast
1900 2011-04-15 13:43:31 <Diablo-D3> what, almost as fast as C isnt good enough?
1901 2011-04-15 13:45:49 <luke-jr> in your dreams
1902 2011-04-15 13:45:55 <da2ce7> ah the jit vs native wars again.
1903 2011-04-15 13:46:30 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: please provide useful benchmarks proving that I am not right
1904 2011-04-15 13:46:44 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: don't need benchmarks
1905 2011-04-15 13:46:52 <Diablo-D3> troll somewhere else.
1906 2011-04-15 13:47:00 <luke-jr> no u
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1908 2011-04-15 13:47:29 <lfm> i lik emodula-2
1909 2011-04-15 13:48:00 <purplezky> i like perl, java and c :)
1910 2011-04-15 13:48:42 <lfm> wimp, pick one
1911 2011-04-15 13:49:01 <noagendamarket> luke and diablo just get a room already
1912 2011-04-15 13:49:21 * noagendamarket backs out of the room
1913 2011-04-15 13:49:42 * xelister switches off the light
1914 2011-04-15 13:49:44 <luke-jr> I like Perl, Qt, and C :P
1915 2011-04-15 13:49:59 <lfm> qt is a language?
1916 2011-04-15 13:50:01 * xelister turns on nightvision camcoder
1917 2011-04-15 13:50:13 <luke-jr> yes
1918 2011-04-15 13:50:57 <lfm> might as well say you like postscript
1919 2011-04-15 13:52:11 <agricocb> lfm: haven't been paying attention, but postscript *is* a full language... I've written entire 3D rendering systems in it. But that's just the way I get off. I like assembly from time to time, too... :-p
1920 2011-04-15 13:52:56 <lfm> yes, i know postscript is a full language but its not something anyone would like
1921 2011-04-15 13:54:41 <lfm> and claiming you did some graphics in poscript is like claiming you did some accounting in a spreadsheet
1922 2011-04-15 13:55:18 <purplezky> or like claiming you did sha256 in Knuth's MIX assembler language
1923 2011-04-15 13:55:49 <lfm> ya MIX would be hard tho, MMIX would be easy
1924 2011-04-15 13:56:15 <purplezky> it's not useful, but it is done because it can be done. just for kicks ;)
1925 2011-04-15 13:57:01 <purplezky> oops exchange rate in free fall mode
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1927 2011-04-15 13:57:32 <da2ce7> ;;bc,mtgox
1928 2011-04-15 13:57:35 <purplezky> mt gox is sure doing some volume these days
1929 2011-04-15 13:57:50 <purplezky> all the bots are at it
1930 2011-04-15 13:58:21 <lfm> seems like its starting to occilate
1931 2011-04-15 13:58:26 <kiba> someday, 40 K dollars of bitcoin won't be so unusual
1932 2011-04-15 13:58:30 <kiba> it'll be like
1933 2011-04-15 13:58:32 <kiba> "normal"
1934 2011-04-15 13:58:41 <kiba> bitcoincharts down! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOE!
1935 2011-04-15 13:58:51 <kiba> oh, it's down for bugfix and/or feature addition
1936 2011-04-15 13:59:07 <Clark> Features!
1937 2011-04-15 13:59:15 <kiba> Bugfixes!
1938 2011-04-15 13:59:16 <purplezky> tcatm is adding weekly aggregated value charts
1939 2011-04-15 13:59:30 <kiba> Jesus, tcatm is aggressively improving his site
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1941 2011-04-15 14:00:22 <tcatm> Bugfix. It got a duplicated trade in its database somehow, that's why I reset the database and -monitor is showing old trades.
1942 2011-04-15 14:00:51 <purplezky> we're at parity again
1943 2011-04-15 14:01:07 <purplezky> this is those days you wish you had a day trading bot
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1948 2011-04-15 14:06:14 <purplezky> oh gribble is taking bitcoincharts as datafeed, it's just replaying history
1949 2011-04-15 14:06:44 <purplezky> i thought it was doing a transaction each second for a while
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1954 2011-04-15 14:11:47 <ersi> I like XML
1955 2011-04-15 14:11:51 <ersi> All I do is just XML
1956 2011-04-15 14:12:00 <ersi> and then that's parsed to a random language!
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1958 2011-04-15 14:17:24 <knotwork> my provider seems to have killed their nameserver, anyone know the IP address of a nameserver I can use
1959 2011-04-15 14:17:44 <knotwork> irc is only working becuase the connection already existed before the nameserver went down
1960 2011-04-15 14:18:05 <[Tycho]> 8.8.8.8
1961 2011-04-15 14:18:07 <luke-jr> knotwork: my dad had DNS problems too
1962 2011-04-15 14:18:23 <luke-jr> knotwork: just use the root servers 8)
1963 2011-04-15 14:18:31 <luke-jr> (j/k)
1964 2011-04-15 14:18:51 <purplezky> free dns from google is 8.8.8.8 or 8.8.4.4
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1966 2011-04-15 14:19:16 <purplezky> then connect to https://www.opendns.com/start/
1967 2011-04-15 14:19:32 <luke-jr> boo google
1968 2011-04-15 14:20:07 <knotwork> thanks, google to the rescue even without being able to use browser to look it up
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1980 2011-04-15 14:49:43 <sacarlson> I got my experimental bitcoind to compile now that adds changeable settings with bitcoin.config file to change genesisblock; block.ntime; block.nNonce;
1981 2011-04-15 14:50:12 <purplezky> why would you change the genesisblock, are you starting a parallel network ?
1982 2011-04-15 14:50:24 <sacarlson> I can't seem to get the printf function to put out the values to compare
1983 2011-04-15 14:50:38 <sacarlson> purplezky: yes posibly
1984 2011-04-15 14:51:06 <sacarlson> purplezky: it will later include the irc and other values to make it a private trade mechinizm
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1986 2011-04-15 14:52:00 <sipa> sacarlson: printf is #define'd somewhere
1987 2011-04-15 14:52:32 <sacarlson> printf seems to compile but I don't see any output but maybe it just hasn't touched that code yet
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1989 2011-04-15 14:53:02 <sacarlson> it might go to some log file?
1990 2011-04-15 14:53:04 <sipa> yes
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1992 2011-04-15 14:53:18 <sacarlson> and that file would be?
1993 2011-04-15 14:54:15 <sacarlson> if this works should I release it or will it be a bad thing?
1994 2011-04-15 14:54:39 <sipa> see OutputDebugStringF in util.cpp
1995 2011-04-15 14:54:53 <sacarlson> sipa: ok will do
1996 2011-04-15 14:55:12 <sacarlson> sipa: is that a function I will replace my printf with?
1997 2011-04-15 14:55:26 <sipa> that's the actual function called instead of printf
1998 2011-04-15 14:55:44 <sacarlson> I just want to see it on the console
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2001 2011-04-15 14:59:41 <sacarlson> maybe I just need to change the value of fPrintToConsole
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2003 2011-04-15 15:00:14 <sipa> i think so
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2006 2011-04-15 15:08:56 <slush> what exactly is mtgox's websocket ticker?
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2008 2011-04-15 15:09:30 <tcoppi> I guess its supposed to be more efficent/faster since it pushes to you
2009 2011-04-15 15:09:33 <slush> it resends the same data...
2010 2011-04-15 15:09:54 <slush> tcoppi: there are two channels - trades and ticker
2011 2011-04-15 15:10:46 <slush> but I see many updates of 'ticker', but nothing changed in payload - same price, even same volume
2012 2011-04-15 15:10:51 <tcoppi> hm
2013 2011-04-15 15:10:59 <tcoppi> yeah I dunno, haven't played with it yet
2014 2011-04-15 15:13:33 <purplezky> instead of the clients deciding the polling frequency, mtgox can now decide the push frequency
2015 2011-04-15 15:13:54 <slush> purplezky: but why to broadcast something what didn't changed?
2016 2011-04-15 15:14:43 <purplezky> i guess because the service is still in beta, MagicalTux doesn't check yet if it has changed
2017 2011-04-15 15:15:03 <purplezky> it should be event driven instead of cron triggered
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2019 2011-04-15 15:15:43 <tcoppi> should be pretty neat when its working 100%
2020 2011-04-15 15:15:55 <tcoppi> just need some decent python libraries for websockets now :P
2021 2011-04-15 15:16:17 <slush> tcoppi: I'm playing with python-websocket right now
2022 2011-04-15 15:16:34 <slush> unfortunately found some stupid bugs, but looks like working now
2023 2011-04-15 15:16:39 <tcoppi> cool
2024 2011-04-15 15:16:55 <slush> I'll publish mtgox python client soon
2025 2011-04-15 15:17:11 <tcoppi> sweet :)
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2029 2011-04-15 15:23:54 <slush> tcatm: Do you have some idea where to get historical tick data of mtgox?
2030 2011-04-15 15:24:57 <sacarlson> slush: how's our mtgox trading doing today?
2031 2011-04-15 15:25:06 <purplezky> irclog of #bitcoin-market ;)
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2033 2011-04-15 15:25:57 <slush> sacarlson: I don't know how others, but it was good day for me :)
2034 2011-04-15 15:26:40 <tcatm> slush: need a databse dump from bitcoincharts?
2035 2011-04-15 15:26:44 <sacarlson> slush: I just got the graph it hasn't hit my sell number of 1.23 yet
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2037 2011-04-15 15:28:17 <slush> tcatm: would be great. I'm doing mtgox->sierrachart(.com) bridge, but thinking how will users obtain missing history. mtgox websocket serve only realtime data
2038 2011-04-15 15:28:30 <sacarlson> I even started to have one guy asking me about my bid to sell on bitcoin-otc at my price of 1.23 surprized any interest at this point so far out of the money
2039 2011-04-15 15:28:42 <tcatm> slush: query?
2040 2011-04-15 15:29:49 <slush> tcatm: I'm not sure how many data the whole history is. But do you think that some API for retrieving historical data for bitcoincharts would be possible?
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2042 2011-04-15 15:30:26 <slush> specify chart, time from, time to, and get raw data of chart...
2043 2011-04-15 15:30:58 <sacarlson> mtgox has an api but I didn't look at all it features
2044 2011-04-15 15:31:51 <slush> sacarlson: do you mean some hidden api?
2045 2011-04-15 15:32:21 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Dan Loewenherz master * rd7f0287 / build-osx.txt : build: add note for Snow Leopard users and fix typos in linking instructions - http://bit.ly/fZ0RGr
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2047 2011-04-15 15:33:35 <sacarlson> slush: hidden no it was given to me by someone not sure how I found it
2048 2011-04-15 15:36:36 <genjix> jaromil: sent you some bitcoins
2049 2011-04-15 15:38:57 <sacarlson> https://mtgox.com/support/tradeAPI
2050 2011-04-15 15:39:27 <tcoppi> yeah you can't get historical data from that
2051 2011-04-15 15:40:02 <sacarlson> tcoppi: like I said I didn't look at it so sorry you thought it did something
2052 2011-04-15 15:40:40 <sacarlson> but if it does trades I'm surprized that's posible to not give your price
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2054 2011-04-15 15:41:41 <sacarlson> and what about this then http://mtgox.com/code/data/ticker.php
2055 2011-04-15 15:41:58 <sacarlson> just run a bot on that at whatever period you want
2056 2011-04-15 15:42:03 <phantomcircuit> wow
2057 2011-04-15 15:42:09 <phantomcircuit> this site has a 0.27% CTR
2058 2011-04-15 15:42:25 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: CTR?
2059 2011-04-15 15:42:31 <phantomcircuit> click through rate
2060 2011-04-15 15:42:47 <phantomcircuit> 5k hits and i've made all of $0.43
2061 2011-04-15 15:42:51 <sacarlson> 0.27 of what ?
2062 2011-04-15 15:43:05 <phantomcircuit> 0.27% of visitors click an ad
2063 2011-04-15 15:43:10 <phantomcircuit> which means
2064 2011-04-15 15:43:12 <phantomcircuit> 2 of them
2065 2011-04-15 15:43:22 <phantomcircuit> and im pretty sure 1 of those is me accidentally clicking
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2067 2011-04-15 15:43:56 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: I don't know if I should feel sorry for you or envy you
2068 2011-04-15 15:44:37 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: that's 1mil% more than me so I guess you did good
2069 2011-04-15 15:44:45 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, $0.43 doesn't cover the cost of the electricity to turn the fans
2070 2011-04-15 15:45:47 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: time to buy those photovoltaic cells or get your girl friend to run a bike exersizer with a generator
2071 2011-04-15 15:46:05 <sacarlson> make a bit smaller and sexier
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2073 2011-04-15 15:47:18 <noagendamarket> wiitricity a game on your wii to mine bitcoins
2074 2011-04-15 15:47:20 <noagendamarket> lol
2075 2011-04-15 15:47:25 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, there's two problems with that statement
2076 2011-04-15 15:47:28 <phantomcircuit> guess what they are
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2078 2011-04-15 15:47:49 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: your a girl and you could use some exersize?
2079 2011-04-15 15:47:50 <grbgout> That someone using bitcoins would have a girlfriend?
2080 2011-04-15 15:50:05 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, i have no girlfriend :( and photovoltaics are expensive as fuck
2081 2011-04-15 15:50:11 <sacarlson> well if anyone needs exersize we are playing tenis on mondays and thursdays at the bayview resort in pattaya
2082 2011-04-15 15:50:31 <luke-jr> grbgout: I'm married.
2083 2011-04-15 15:50:40 <noagendamarket> so am I
2084 2011-04-15 15:50:59 <sacarlson> at 5:00pm, ok well i have alot of girlfriends I can rent you
2085 2011-04-15 15:51:26 <noagendamarket> my wife sends me a bitcoin when she wants me to make her a coffee lol
2086 2011-04-15 15:51:28 <sacarlson> we do take bitcoin for that service
2087 2011-04-15 15:51:54 <noagendamarket> orly
2088 2011-04-15 15:52:08 <noagendamarket> can they perform on webcams ?
2089 2011-04-15 15:52:29 <sacarlson> noagendamarket: orly that extra, webcam good idea
2090 2011-04-15 15:52:43 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * ra584320 / (init.cpp ui.cpp util.cpp util.h): Ensure version number->string conversion is consistent - http://bit.ly/fKJqx2
2091 2011-04-15 15:52:44 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik master * r17616ea / rpc.cpp : Send/return full bitcoin version string in Server and User-Agent HTTP headers - http://bit.ly/gufKtL
2092 2011-04-15 15:52:45 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * ra381eb8 / (init.cpp rpc.cpp ui.cpp util.cpp util.h): Merge branch 'http-version' of https://github.com/jgarzik/bitcoin - http://bit.ly/hsLanE
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2094 2011-04-15 15:54:39 <grbgout> luke-jr: and? That's not a girlfriend, that's a wife --- and if I've learned anything from commedians, that's a huge difference :D
2095 2011-04-15 15:54:46 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: for 1000 btc I can get you a new girl friend you can talk on the phone with and send more bitcoin to, I'll have to get her a webcam
2096 2011-04-15 15:55:01 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, rofl
2097 2011-04-15 15:55:11 <phantomcircuit> it's not a girlfriend unless i can put my penis in her
2098 2011-04-15 15:56:14 <UukGoblin> ;;bc,stats
2099 2011-04-15 15:56:16 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118498 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 445 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 16 hours, 16 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 91589.40055018
2100 2011-04-15 15:56:19 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: opps wrong calculation that's 1000 baht so that's only 40 btc
2101 2011-04-15 15:57:07 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: will that would include that if you found your way here
2102 2011-04-15 15:59:25 <sacarlson> grbgout: well you must have herd if it flys, floats or f#$% rent it
2103 2011-04-15 15:59:41 <grbgout> sacarlson: hah!
2104 2011-04-15 15:59:47 <luke-jr> grbgout: a girlfriend is just a potential wife
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2106 2011-04-15 16:00:17 <grbgout> luke-jr: and all of this was just jockularity.
2107 2011-04-15 16:00:35 <grbgout> luke-jr: incidentally, that's only true if you intend to potentially marry her.
2108 2011-04-15 16:00:51 <grbgout> or if the condom breaks
2109 2011-04-15 16:01:00 <luke-jr> grbgout: if you don't, then it's not a girlfriend relationship
2110 2011-04-15 16:01:08 <luke-jr> ⦠condoms are gravely immoral
2111 2011-04-15 16:01:12 <sacarlson> what I found it the girls that are free end up costing me more
2112 2011-04-15 16:01:13 <luke-jr> as is fornication
2113 2011-04-15 16:01:14 <eps2> you are just womanising
2114 2011-04-15 16:01:16 <grbgout> luke-jr: what is it then, friends with benefits?
2115 2011-04-15 16:01:44 <luke-jr> grbgout: close friends?
2116 2011-04-15 16:01:53 <grbgout> luke-jr: microscopicly.
2117 2011-04-15 16:02:02 <eps2> can't believe so many womanising fornicators are users of bitcoin
2118 2011-04-15 16:02:07 <eps2> i am disgusted
2119 2011-04-15 16:02:26 <eps2> (kidding)
2120 2011-04-15 16:02:26 <kiba> lol
2121 2011-04-15 16:02:35 <sacarlson> eps2: sorry so will you marry me then?
2122 2011-04-15 16:02:45 <eps2> i'm a dude
2123 2011-04-15 16:02:55 <eps2> but yeah sure
2124 2011-04-15 16:03:03 <sacarlson> eps2: ok I'll dress up as a chick then
2125 2011-04-15 16:03:21 <eps2> cool, cos i wasn't willing to do that... ;)
2126 2011-04-15 16:03:25 * kiba wonders what it like to be a woman
2127 2011-04-15 16:03:26 <grbgout> aw, if only I retained that link about gay enginerr's; synopsis: their life is better than yours.
2128 2011-04-15 16:03:39 <grbgout> engineers*
2129 2011-04-15 16:03:39 <eps2> i don't doubt it
2130 2011-04-15 16:03:44 <eps2> woman are mental
2131 2011-04-15 16:03:49 <sacarlson> my last wife left some of her close here not sure they fit
2132 2011-04-15 16:03:52 <eps2> if only i liked penis
2133 2011-04-15 16:04:04 <kiba> why do women like penis and men?
2134 2011-04-15 16:04:07 <grbgout> eps2: I'm sure you do like penis, just not on someone else.
2135 2011-04-15 16:04:29 <eps2> would you suck your own cock if you could?
2136 2011-04-15 16:04:40 <grbgout> Nope.
2137 2011-04-15 16:04:42 <sacarlson> I'm in love with my penis, I play with him every day
2138 2011-04-15 16:04:50 <eps2> this is really innapropriate for bitcoin-dev
2139 2011-04-15 16:04:54 <kiba> some women love to sucks cock...
2140 2011-04-15 16:04:56 <eps2> i apologise everyone
2141 2011-04-15 16:05:06 <grbgout> Yeah, this belongs in -discussion
2142 2011-04-15 16:05:15 <luke-jr> -offtopic
2143 2011-04-15 16:05:18 <grbgout> -nsfw
2144 2011-04-15 16:05:25 <sacarlson> eps2: sorry I got drunk hope I didn't affend too many
2145 2011-04-15 16:05:58 <eps2> -gonewild
2146 2011-04-15 16:06:24 <eps2> sacarlson, i am not £affended"
2147 2011-04-15 16:06:32 <eps2> s/£/"/
2148 2011-04-15 16:06:39 <grbgout> Here's the comic: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1927
2149 2011-04-15 16:07:25 <jeremias> k...
2150 2011-04-15 16:10:12 <jaromil> genjix: thanks! :D
2151 2011-04-15 16:12:28 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * r9ff411f / rpc.cpp : Set time locale to POSIX in rfc1123Time so weekday/months in http responses are correct. - http://bit.ly/fNWIx8
2152 2011-04-15 16:12:31 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * r9a189be / rpc.cpp : Merge branch 'localefix' - http://bit.ly/hvvrjq
2153 2011-04-15 16:15:39 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * rbf3a090 / (init.cpp util.cpp util.h): Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/gjs278/bitcoin - http://bit.ly/dYz7ao
2154 2011-04-15 16:17:21 <da2ce7> lol.
2155 2011-04-15 16:18:18 <da2ce7> well, good night boys, (and any bitcoin girls in -dev) :P
2156 2011-04-15 16:18:19 <gjs278> awwwwwwwwwwwwwww yeahhhh
2157 2011-04-15 16:20:20 <knotwork> sacarlson your modified bitcoin config sounds very useful to me, I have separae compiles currently for the various different alternate currencies
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2159 2011-04-15 16:20:46 * da2ce7 wonders if eps2 will set up a #bitcoin-gay channel :P
2160 2011-04-15 16:21:00 <sacarlson> knotwork: cool
2161 2011-04-15 16:21:21 <sacarlson> knotwork: what other veribles would you see as needed to change?
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2163 2011-04-15 16:22:23 <sacarlson> knotwork: I was also going to change the hardcoded ip addresses
2164 2011-04-15 16:22:44 <knotwork> all I changed was genesis block's news quote, port to connect to, and IRC server+channel for IRC
2165 2011-04-15 16:22:56 <eps2> i think da2ce7 got the wrong end of the proverbial stick
2166 2011-04-15 16:23:15 <knotwork> also, I merely hacked this into -testnet option, so as to still be able to use same program for normal bitcoin too
2167 2011-04-15 16:23:23 <sacarlson> knotwork: I thought the port was already changeable, ok sound easy enuf then
2168 2011-04-15 16:24:04 <knotwork> there is a patch for changing port, but actually so far I was fine with each alternate bitcoin having its own hardcoded port
2169 2011-04-15 16:24:20 <knotwork> less chance of running the wrong currency+port combo
2170 2011-04-15 16:24:27 <sacarlson> knotwork: I thought about making changeable the max coin and amount paid for each new block
2171 2011-04-15 16:24:32 <soultcer> Wow, just noticed the new bitcoin.org page
2172 2011-04-15 16:24:34 <soultcer> Looks very nice
2173 2011-04-15 16:25:02 <knotwork> I suppose to use your config, it would be handy if able to make it apply to -testnet switch because during this startup
2174 2011-04-15 16:25:22 <knotwork> phase it is actually kind of handy having the lower difficulty I think is maybe part of -testnet?
2175 2011-04-15 16:25:32 <sacarlson> knotwork: also need a script to auto gen a new curency with random numbers, don't want to do that manualy
2176 2011-04-15 16:25:47 <knotwork> I think running these new currencies as main net of the program they would be higher difficulty
2177 2011-04-15 16:26:10 <sacarlson> knotwork: I added another -testnet_config to the start to enable and disable it
2178 2011-04-15 16:26:17 <knotwork> I didnt even use any random numbers, somehow merely chaning satoshi's newspaper quote was sufficient,
2179 2011-04-15 16:26:40 <knotwork> I think the code does the hash on that itself or something, at any rate changing it didnt cause an error
2180 2011-04-15 16:27:01 <sacarlson> knotwork: oh I went by what I saw changed in git when they reset the testnet
2181 2011-04-15 16:27:02 <knotwork> I didn't mind giving satoshi the first 50 coins of each new currency, what the heck, he gave us a nice system
2182 2011-04-15 16:28:11 <sacarlson> knotwork: what currency is it you setup to trade with your new coins? I thought gold and silver and USD would be cool to have
2183 2011-04-15 16:28:15 <knotwork> I suspect that if I used my currencies with main code and your config instead of using -testnet for them they would
2184 2011-04-15 16:28:30 <knotwork> probably work they just would be using a more difficult "difficulty 1"
2185 2011-04-15 16:29:07 <knotwork> I have a Galactic freeciv milieu, planets run using freeciv, each with various nations on them
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2187 2011-04-15 16:29:30 <knotwork> nations on those planets can get Martian Botcoin code from Martians if they have computer tech
2188 2011-04-15 16:29:37 <sacarlson> freciv?
2189 2011-04-15 16:29:43 <knotwork> and set up their own currency for interstellar trade
2190 2011-04-15 16:29:54 <knotwork> Yes, freeciv.org
2191 2011-04-15 16:30:16 <sacarlson> knotwork: wow sound cool
2192 2011-04-15 16:30:25 <knotwork> I wrote a Galactic Ruleset for it to allow continuing the game beyond the normal endpoint of getting into space or controlling entire planet
2193 2011-04-15 16:31:15 <sacarlson> oh the script to create a new currency should also auto change to time block
2194 2011-04-15 16:31:20 <knotwork> its kind of sort of star trek type tech tree, except warp is like Traveller RPG's jumps, with the normal distance your ship to "alpha centauri" would have bone being distance 1 = warpl 1' distance
2195 2011-04-15 16:31:57 <knotwork> I got sick of space games trivialising planets into as simple or more simple as a single city is in freeciv
2196 2011-04-15 16:32:28 <knotwork> so wanted a galaxy with full sized freeciv planets, with savegames of every turn to allow someday timetravel and timeline branches
2197 2011-04-15 16:32:34 <sacarlson> knotwork: sounds like what I play with in celestia to explore the known universe at super warp speeds
2198 2011-04-15 16:33:52 <sacarlson> knotwork: I'm getting time out at your http://www.freeciv.org/ site
2199 2011-04-15 16:34:11 <knotwork> its a whole Grand Nexus Uberplan (GNU), with now since bitcoin it MIT, an MIT component
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2201 2011-04-15 16:34:38 <knotwork> I use Crossfire RPG so far for two dimensional walking around single characters shopping and dungeon-crawling and duelling etc
2202 2011-04-15 16:35:12 <knotwork> and Battle for Wesnoth for storyboard / historic holodramas / playing at making past history happen the way it already did
2203 2011-04-15 16:35:21 <sacarlson> knotwork: total geek mainia
2204 2011-04-15 16:35:48 <knotwork> eventually Wesnoth was to provide the way to actually change the past instead of "you lose" anytime you fail to match history
2205 2011-04-15 16:36:14 <EvanR-work> unfortunate that celestia doesnt do relativistic ray tracing when moving at incredible speed
2206 2011-04-15 16:36:34 <EvanR-work> because a basic 100000000000 * c is kind of misleading
2207 2011-04-15 16:36:52 <knotwork> also, new Wesnoth proposes persistent world support that sounds sufficient to allow Wesnoth client to be used soon for actual playing forward in time changing what happens next instead of merely playing out historic docudramas
2208 2011-04-15 16:36:53 <sacarlson> well my bigest interest in bitcoin was just poker texas holdem, making it free to big and small players
2209 2011-04-15 16:37:40 <EvanR-work> theres a poker java applet running somewhere which uses btc
2210 2011-04-15 16:37:42 <EvanR-work> at least one
2211 2011-04-15 16:37:47 <knotwork> Currently I am looking at how to fit Xnova Revisited into freeciv model somehow
2212 2011-04-15 16:38:17 <sacarlson> EvanR-work: yes I checked it out, but smalist bet is .01 btc, I play for .02 btc = 3000 chips
2213 2011-04-15 16:38:29 <knotwork> I have it running and am debugging it etc at http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/ that might be first place I directly code bitcoin in
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2215 2011-04-15 16:39:34 <sacarlson> knotwork: well at least that one didn't time out. looks nice
2216 2011-04-15 16:40:15 <knotwork> it is pretty cool, looks like same code Zorg Empires used an earlier incarnation of
2217 2011-04-15 16:40:44 <knotwork> been quite a few bugs to work out, but got it basically working and pretty now tho not sure if python battle scripts will
2218 2011-04-15 16:41:01 <knotwork> run on that hosting and the alliances aka guilds are still now working
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2220 2011-04-15 16:41:34 <knotwork> the timescale is a bit awkward at default setting though, as time is pretty much driven by the MUD-like time of Crossfire RPG
2221 2011-04-15 16:41:52 <knotwork> 5 minutes = 1 hour game time, or two hours real time = 1 day game time
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2223 2011-04-15 16:42:20 <knotwork> that lets a one year freeciv turn have a whole real month which is very nice for never ever missing a turn due to whatever
2224 2011-04-15 16:42:43 <knotwork> but these intergalactic ships are fast, looks like StarGate kind of speeds I guess
2225 2011-04-15 16:42:50 <sacarlson> knotwork: ya but what if you got to take a pee
2226 2011-04-15 16:43:18 <knotwork> its nicely automatic, not like Astro Empires where you gotta be online when fleet arrives at target to make it attack
2227 2011-04-15 16:43:28 <sacarlson> knotwork: when you need to take a leak I'm sure your ship will crash
2228 2011-04-15 16:43:37 <knotwork> these fleets you say go raid that place and they go there, do it, and come hoe all automated
2229 2011-04-15 16:44:05 <knotwork> so once you tell it the mission thats it, no big rush to get back online except maybe to send off on new mission ASAP after
2230 2011-04-15 16:44:09 <knotwork> completing this mission
2231 2011-04-15 16:45:05 <knotwork> basically I envision this acting as a much less complicated to play than freeciv virtual wealth engine to back the curencies
2232 2011-04-15 16:45:44 <knotwork> much much easier to own a bunch of these robotic exploitation setups exploiting a number of planets to give you resources
2233 2011-04-15 16:46:00 <kiba> hmm
2234 2011-04-15 16:46:12 <knotwork> yet instead of the totally generic Freeciv resource you have three types so can trade one type for another
2235 2011-04-15 16:46:14 * kiba wants his own virtual world making him tons of bitcoin!
2236 2011-04-15 16:46:40 <kiba> I am not sure if I want to create a microeconomy within my own tetris game
2237 2011-04-15 16:46:41 <knotwork> if bitcoin mining had still been viable then it would have been done by putting GPUs into the webservers,
2238 2011-04-15 16:46:45 <kiba> would that encourage bot creations?
2239 2011-04-15 16:47:14 <knotwork> so each machine had an income of coins to allocate behind the resources and maybe control volume of resources
2240 2011-04-15 16:47:37 <knotwork> bots are fine, I prefer external AI anyway to running all the AIs on the server
2241 2011-04-15 16:48:01 <kiba> I dunno
2242 2011-04-15 16:48:06 <knotwork> also making AIs that work on only the same info a player can get is a better more proper AI-coding challenge anyway
2243 2011-04-15 16:48:07 <kiba> I want players to enjoy the game
2244 2011-04-15 16:48:19 <knotwork> most times if AI is built in on server it actually works by cheating
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2246 2011-04-15 16:48:51 <knotwork> players hopefully will have, or can choose to have anyway, a vested interest in causing paying players to enjoy the game
2247 2011-04-15 16:49:21 <EvanR-work> why?
2248 2011-04-15 16:49:24 <knotwork> non paying players well basically they are in effect working for the paying players, as make-game-enjoyable agencies
2249 2011-04-15 16:49:26 <EvanR-work> are they getting a cut?
2250 2011-04-15 16:49:57 <knotwork> of course they are getting a cut. I am NOT going to invent metal crystal and deuterium by poking values into database,
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2252 2011-04-15 16:50:11 <knotwork> someone has to actually mine the stuff that gets sold to people who pay
2253 2011-04-15 16:50:53 <knotwork> for admin to simply create stuff out of nothing to sell would be cheating, and in particular would cheat those who do actually play out the mining etc of the value of what they produce
2254 2011-04-15 16:52:25 <knotwork> large part of reason for setting up games myself is most games already out there the admins do devalue what players produce by simply making stuff up
2255 2011-04-15 16:52:47 <knotwork> plus most also do not even permit, by their terms, players to sell game stuff etc
2256 2011-04-15 16:52:51 <EvanR-work> knotwork: so you have a virtual economy with virtual money
2257 2011-04-15 16:52:59 <EvanR-work> how is it related to real money
2258 2011-04-15 16:53:02 <EvanR-work> 'paying players'
2259 2011-04-15 16:53:28 <knotwork> well its not all virtual. the Canadians claim to have over 800 real canadian dollars per month committed in the form of subscriptions
2260 2011-04-15 16:53:47 <EvanR-work> but in the game world, players are getting funds from apparently no where
2261 2011-04-15 16:53:49 <EvanR-work> 'the real world'
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2263 2011-04-15 16:54:19 <knotwork> current crop of games are not well suited to directly deriving their goods from real money
2264 2011-04-15 16:54:42 <knotwork> I used to think of things like if no real money comes in, the sun wont shine, so no crops, so the people starve
2265 2011-04-15 16:55:08 <knotwork> or go mining for metal all you want, but in total throughout entire universe the total ore out there is baed directly
2266 2011-04-15 16:55:25 <knotwork> on how much real money has come in. so no new seams of ore until there is new real money
2267 2011-04-15 16:55:52 <knotwork> such systems get eroded by server hosting/bandwidth fees though, there you have real money vanishing out
2268 2011-04-15 16:55:55 <knotwork> of the system
2269 2011-04-15 16:56:21 <knotwork> so if real money evapourates like that maybe its not so awful for virtual resources to appear
2270 2011-04-15 16:57:02 <knotwork> maybe make generation of loot proportional to server cost
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2273 2011-04-15 16:57:29 <EvanR-work> its just not a closed system
2274 2011-04-15 16:57:33 <knotwork> in this XNova thing though I figure we will simply see Botcoins increase in value relative to metal crystal and deuterium
2275 2011-04-15 16:57:38 <EvanR-work> a closed system on the other hand, could work, in principle
2276 2011-04-15 16:57:47 <knotwork> as more and more players have more and more production of the resources
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2278 2011-04-15 16:58:39 <knotwork> on the other hand the creators of the coins may simply only issue coins in proportion to resources the game as so far created
2279 2011-04-15 16:58:55 <sacarlson> EvanR-work: closed system? where no new coins are produced? I originaly and still think it might be posible
2280 2011-04-15 16:58:55 <EvanR-work> why?
2281 2011-04-15 16:59:07 <EvanR-work> sacarlson: no
2282 2011-04-15 16:59:21 <EvanR-work> in that no items can appear from another system like IRL
2283 2011-04-15 16:59:48 <knotwork> ultimately whatever virtual goods or services the server provides MUST bring in enough real money to pay hosting
2284 2011-04-15 16:59:56 <sacarlson> EvanR-work: IRL ? don't know what that is
2285 2011-04-15 17:00:00 <EvanR-work> in real life
2286 2011-04-15 17:00:19 <knotwork> if that means churning out large amounts of virtual stuff then it does, tough, realities of paying hosting
2287 2011-04-15 17:00:19 <EvanR-work> knotwork: ok but that seems to be a different problem than running a virtual economy
2288 2011-04-15 17:00:50 <knotwork> game currencies have spawned out into use for real goods before, why not again?
2289 2011-04-15 17:01:10 <sacarlson> EvanR-work: I had hoped to link real life to bitcoint method of trade to land , corporations and comodities
2290 2011-04-15 17:01:33 <knotwork> well a corp can own real life commodities as well as virtual commodities
2291 2011-04-15 17:02:06 <knotwork> it could own not only intellectual poroperty rights but also entire physical servers, data processing centres,
2292 2011-04-15 17:02:24 <knotwork> or even just actually buy some real gold silver stocks and bonds as well as virtual ones
2293 2011-04-15 17:02:25 <EvanR-work> virtual property is not intellectual property
2294 2011-04-15 17:02:54 <knotwork> yeah but people can own intellectual propery rights to virtual things like garmet designs for avatars etc
2295 2011-04-15 17:03:07 <EvanR-work> that seems pretty sick
2296 2011-04-15 17:03:58 <knotwork> its been done, second life was largely about that, they didnt even really have a game, just a virtual 3d environment with no combat pickpocketing etc
2297 2011-04-15 17:04:23 <EvanR-work> and the previous iteration of second life
2298 2011-04-15 17:04:28 <EvanR-work> active worlds
2299 2011-04-15 17:04:29 <sacarlson> knotwork: bonds were one of the first on my list of traded enties with bitcoin protocal, since to start we don't have the real money to create anything until some group buys the new bitcoin currency so we can build or buy the corp, or assets agreed opon
2300 2011-04-15 17:05:06 <EvanR-work> sacarlson: or the contractors accept bitcoin
2301 2011-04-15 17:05:30 <EvanR-work> and mcdonalds accepts bitcoin so you can eat
2302 2011-04-15 17:06:05 <sacarlson> EvanR-work: well the next step isn't bitcoin it's another coint bondcoin or whatever you wish to call it, it's just traded like we do on mtgox with other coins
2303 2011-04-15 17:06:42 <knotwork> do /msg nickelbot help
2304 2011-04-15 17:07:11 <knotwork> nickelbot already has two currencies named as shares, General Mining Corp and General Retirement Funds
2305 2011-04-15 17:07:32 <Blitzboom> EvanR-work: what was the conlusion in yesterdayâs discussion about property?
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2307 2011-04-15 17:07:44 <EvanR-work> sacarlson: why?
2308 2011-04-15 17:07:46 <knotwork> in the galactic milieu I planned to make bonds work very simplistically
2309 2011-04-15 17:07:59 <EvanR-work> Blitzboom: what was the problem to be solved?
2310 2011-04-15 17:08:00 <sacarlson> yes so I've been told but didn't find any such thing in my search and later found they are just simulated corps
2311 2011-04-15 17:08:20 <Blitzboom> problem = property canât be objectively determined
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2313 2011-04-15 17:08:53 <EvanR-work> i dont think we actually got that far, because naively you can objectively determine it
2314 2011-04-15 17:08:53 <sacarlson> EvanR-work: to eliminated paying for the stock exchange that you have to pay each transation and to eliminated that anyone knows who owns what
2315 2011-04-15 17:09:06 <knotwork> coins are kind of objective arent they? so even if you dont try to count how many magic swords a corp owns
2316 2011-04-15 17:09:30 <knotwork> in various games, you can value it by how many coins of other types it hs with which to "back" its own coins
2317 2011-04-15 17:09:50 <EvanR-work> sacarlson: im very confused, how does it preclude bitcoin
2318 2011-04-15 17:10:20 <sacarlson> EvanR-work: it won't replace bitcoin only fall beside it, preclude?
2319 2011-04-15 17:10:21 <knotwork> given umpteen such coin types, you can market value them all by looking at trading ratios between each pair
2320 2011-04-15 17:11:06 <knotwork> players / corps will maybe have theoretical interest in making theirs seem valuable by buying them back with other types any time their value seems to be getting too low
2321 2011-04-15 17:12:28 <sacarlson> knotwork: yes and in all cases at some point they will be bought out to a 51% share of a group that will decide to liquidate all outstanding assets
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2323 2011-04-15 17:13:10 <knotwork> only if they are voting shares. most shares traded are actually preferred shares arent they?
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2325 2011-04-15 17:14:02 <sacarlson> knotwork: all coins in this case will have voting shares, I am working on how one can prove how many coins they hold at a window of time
2326 2011-04-15 17:14:57 <knotwork> I was toying with the idea of spending them to vote, so they are not vote unlimited times per share kind of vosting shares
2327 2011-04-15 17:15:03 <sacarlson> it may be the market of the future, who knows
2328 2011-04-15 17:15:40 <knotwork> basically voting shares would directly be votes really not necessarily shares at all like preferred shares might be
2329 2011-04-15 17:16:10 <knotwork> since if you do liquidate, maybe the preferred shares eat up all the proceeds leaving nothing for the voting shares
2330 2011-04-15 17:16:27 <sacarlson> knotwork: in this case I don't see any reason to make both voting and none voting shares but I guess that could be done also
2331 2011-04-15 17:16:46 <knotwork> yeah maybe they could serve both functions.
2332 2011-04-15 17:17:18 <knotwork> I kind of imagined maybe the corp itself, the entity shares owned by others are shares of, owns a lot of its shares itself
2333 2011-04-15 17:17:22 <sacarlson> I'm not smart enuf to go that far
2334 2011-04-15 17:17:48 <knotwork> as long as it never issues more than half, then control will be possible by owning 51% of what the corp has sold to others
2335 2011-04-15 17:17:50 <slush> does mtgox websocket work for you?
2336 2011-04-15 17:18:00 <slush> It started to close connection for me, but I didn't changed anything in the code...
2337 2011-04-15 17:18:19 <knotwork> at that point I guess maybe you could vote to have corp sell more than half its shares
2338 2011-04-15 17:18:21 <sacarlson> knotwork: yes I was thinking the same that the corp only sell 49% of the outstanding coins on the open market
2339 2011-04-15 17:18:36 <knotwork> but mayb not if charter hard codes that never more than half be issued
2340 2011-04-15 17:19:06 <knotwork> and/or that it takes vast percent, 99% or 100% even, to change the charter itself
2341 2011-04-15 17:19:55 <sacarlson> knotwork: your hired, you can be on the board I'll give your 100 shares (coins)
2342 2011-04-15 17:21:07 <sacarlson> knotwork: ok so what should we spend the $1000 usd that the corp will sell as coins to invest in?
2343 2011-04-15 17:21:14 <knotwork> will your corp own any GRF and GMC shares as part of its holdings to bakc its value?
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2345 2011-04-15 17:22:25 <knotwork> part of how the players are trying to set up their various currencies with backing is they all agree to buy large amounts of each others coins using their own coins
2346 2011-04-15 17:22:26 <sacarlson> knotwork: well if I had enuf money I think I might spend 3 mill baht on a condo in pattaya or $1000 in gold
2347 2011-04-15 17:23:08 <sacarlson> knotwork: that makes sence, but what asets to they really hold?
2348 2011-04-15 17:23:15 <knotwork> ah well maybe the coins nickelbot so far supports have advantage over yours, not merely that of already existing
2349 2011-04-15 17:23:37 <knotwork> but also that they all actually have value in terms of each other, with exchange rates between them
2350 2011-04-15 17:24:15 <sacarlson> knotwork: I'm a value trader I look at what a company hold like the shiping company I now hold has ships and income
2351 2011-04-15 17:24:42 <knotwork> at the low end the bitnickels hope to aquire some of their value as a convenient novelty item for giving people two cents in IRC when one likes their commentats
2352 2011-04-15 17:24:52 <sacarlson> the total value of the ships it now holds is worth more than the total capitalization of the outstanding stock shares
2353 2011-04-15 17:24:52 <knotwork> $0.02 sacarlson
2354 2011-04-15 17:24:55 <NickelBot> You must AUTH before using !exec commands.
2355 2011-04-15 17:25:16 <slush> MagicalTux: do you work on websocket interface right now? It stopped working for me for no obvious reason
2356 2011-04-15 17:25:19 <knotwork> a simple command to give $0.02 in the form of 0.4 bitnickels
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2360 2011-04-15 17:27:59 <knotwork> sacarlson supposedly the Canadians behind the CDN (Canadian Digital Notes) have real Canadian dollars coming in
2361 2011-04-15 17:28:17 <knotwork> so they would like to make their CDN coins be equal to CAD dollars in value
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2363 2011-04-15 17:28:44 <knotwork> presumably by never spending more of them than they have CAD to buy back
2364 2011-04-15 17:28:48 <sacarlson> knotwork: that should be easy just back them with real currency like usd or euro
2365 2011-04-15 17:29:12 <knotwork> well they like to think CAD is real too y'know, Canadians are quirky that way
2366 2011-04-15 17:29:40 <sacarlson> knotwork: ya but they already did it so time to do it again
2367 2011-04-15 17:30:09 <sacarlson> with other currency or comodities
2368 2011-04-15 17:30:34 <sacarlson> I have the software to run an exchange that I haven't got running yet
2369 2011-04-15 17:31:01 <knotwork> well CDN might be useful for Canadians who are able to readily give each other CAD back for it relatively on-demand
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2371 2011-04-15 17:31:39 <knotwork> as long as people keep being more interested in cashing it back out for CAD it will seem clunky,
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2373 2011-04-15 17:32:08 <knotwork> but if circulated in CDN form it should be useful as long as it just runas around in that form without having to go
2374 2011-04-15 17:32:26 <knotwork> back to an actual canadian sending actual CAD out physically or by bank deposit
2375 2011-04-15 17:32:30 <sacarlson> knotwork: well as long as we stick with just exchanging for other digital currency than we still don't pay any fees
2376 2011-04-15 17:32:53 <knotwork> 0.01 fee is set by bitcoind switch in nickelbot
2377 2011-04-15 17:33:30 <sacarlson> knotwork: I noted today that my transfers on testnet worked much better when I set fee to .01
2378 2011-04-15 17:33:33 <knotwork> and in fact because of the lack of fees nickels exist, so that bots can charge a nickel per exchange of one type
2379 2011-04-15 17:33:35 <knotwork> for another
2380 2011-04-15 17:34:12 <knotwork> they dont yet as first I wanted actual exchange to work, but now it does next will be adding a nickel fee for the bot
2381 2011-04-15 17:34:16 <knotwork> to pay for itself
2382 2011-04-15 17:34:28 <knotwork> and to discourage trivial exchanges too I guess
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2385 2011-04-15 17:35:02 <knotwork> there are no bit dimes yet so they wont nickel and dime you to death, just nickel you
2386 2011-04-15 17:35:51 <knotwork> nickels are nice for only paying 0.01 of a nickel on a transaction instead of 0.01 of some more valuable coin
2387 2011-04-15 17:36:53 <luke-jr> be careful calling them dimes or nickels!
2388 2011-04-15 17:36:54 <sacarlson> knotwork: I havn't figured out the fee's when you spend less than .01 on bitcoin, I havn't read that part of the code yet
2389 2011-04-15 17:36:59 <luke-jr> you saw what happened to ALD!
2390 2011-04-15 17:37:23 <knotwork> bitnickels. worth about 0.07 USD like old actually made of nickel us nickels
2391 2011-04-15 17:37:42 <knotwork> 1/20 of a coin generally usually
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2393 2011-04-15 17:37:59 <knotwork> (thus a coin is generally thought to be worth more than a usd)
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2395 2011-04-15 17:39:56 <cosurgi> anybody knows to to write C-style ()?():() in python?
2396 2011-04-15 17:40:02 <knotwork> (because bitcoin is so tied to usd lately, this also means bitcoins are kind of devalued too in terms of bitnickels)
2397 2011-04-15 17:40:11 <cosurgi> I forgot, it was something with english words
2398 2011-04-15 17:40:25 <cosurgi> python is all words-words-words. I never remember words
2399 2011-04-15 17:41:06 <knotwork> cosurgi tried google? its likely something like if this otherwise that of if this then that else whatever
2400 2011-04-15 17:41:16 <sacarlson> cosurgi: I normaly write my own language and make functions with words I understand
2401 2011-04-15 17:41:21 <cosurgi> how do you google for "?:" ?
2402 2011-04-15 17:41:41 <cosurgi> that's why I tried asking here
2403 2011-04-15 17:41:55 <knotwork> "python conditional" or "python conditionals" or "python conditional execution"
2404 2011-04-15 17:42:39 <knotwork> if google knows you as more a coder than a zoologist that should work
2405 2011-04-15 17:42:45 <ducki2p> cosurgi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ternary_operation#Python
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2407 2011-04-15 17:43:16 <luke-jr> cosurgi: a ? b : c
2408 2011-04-15 17:43:20 <luke-jr> cosurgi: b if a else c
2409 2011-04-15 17:43:26 <ducki2p> ?: is also called the 'elvis' operator
2410 2011-04-15 17:44:51 <cosurgi> thx
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2412 2011-04-15 17:55:31 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: reason.tv... neat
2413 2011-04-15 17:56:16 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: yeah! You planning a trip to DC anytime soon?
2414 2011-04-15 17:56:49 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: nope
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2418 2011-04-15 18:07:45 <CIA-89> bitcoin: genjix * r7731aad6d3c3 intersango/cron/verify_deposits.sql: removed limitation for deposits. http://tinyurl.com/67ehvjk
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2421 2011-04-15 18:19:26 <gasteve> here's a stab at doxygen generated docs...not terribly impressive, but a start: http://tinyurl.com/3z6bhsv
2422 2011-04-15 18:19:53 <underscor> gavinandresen: Just read about what happened with the faucet
2423 2011-04-15 18:19:56 <underscor> That sucks :(
2424 2011-04-15 18:20:30 <BlueMatt> witten: ping
2425 2011-04-15 18:21:47 <gasteve> underscor: what happened with the faucet?
2426 2011-04-15 18:21:57 <underscor> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5819.0
2427 2011-04-15 18:22:07 <underscor> Someone figured out a way to suck it dry
2428 2011-04-15 18:23:13 <gavinandresen> They didn't manage to suck it dry before I noticed...
2429 2011-04-15 18:23:27 <underscor> Well, yeah, that was worded badly
2430 2011-04-15 18:23:48 <underscor> Someone figured out a way to steal from the faucet, outside of the normal limits
2431 2011-04-15 18:24:10 <gavinandresen> Yup.
2432 2011-04-15 18:24:41 <gasteve> bummer
2433 2011-04-15 18:26:17 <gasteve> I wonder if a toolkit used to monitor and alert on unusual looking patterns of transactions involving a set of particular addresses would have been useful
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2436 2011-04-15 18:32:51 <gasteve> reading that thread...I think proof of work may be the best idea...you could even set a max rate of coin distribution and increase the difficulty as the rate of coin distribution increases
2437 2011-04-15 18:33:50 <gasteve> (best idea outside of any other short-term, practical measures to mitigate theft)
2438 2011-04-15 18:34:21 <gavinandresen> Yeah, short-term I'm going to switch to using sendmany and will drop the drip amount from .05 to .02
2439 2011-04-15 18:34:38 <genjix> gavinandresen: maybe introduce a proof of work for the faucet?
2440 2011-04-15 18:34:42 <genjix> :)
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2442 2011-04-15 18:35:16 <gavinandresen> ... and might publish the last 100 IP addresses and obfuscated google account names, too. I don't think the botnet ops want their IP addresses out there
2443 2011-04-15 18:36:05 <kiba> gavinandresen: how about a game?
2444 2011-04-15 18:36:29 <tcatm> ;;bc,gen 300
2445 2011-04-15 18:36:30 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 300 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 0.00366434353675 BTC per day and 0.000152680980698 BTC per hour.
2446 2011-04-15 18:36:53 <kiba> ;;bc,gen 12000
2447 2011-04-15 18:36:54 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 12000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 0.14657374147 BTC per day and 0.00610723922792 BTC per hour.
2448 2011-04-15 18:37:25 <gavinandresen> kiba: implementing or integrating a game into the faucet is more work than I want to invest in it...
2449 2011-04-15 18:37:35 <kiba> mkay
2450 2011-04-15 18:37:39 <tcatm> if we wrote a javascript miner the faucet could give away about 0.00000050 BTC for 30s of mining
2451 2011-04-15 18:38:08 <kiba> but you can't send below two decimal space
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2453 2011-04-15 18:41:12 <gasteve> tcatm: what do you mean my mining in this case...if it were an actual miner, it would need assemble some block and do the getwork, etc...seems overkill for this app...all you'd need is to request the client hash some token + nonce until it finds a hash value that satisfies the requested difficulty
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2456 2011-04-15 18:41:39 <tcatm> gasteve: that's just how a javascript miner could work
2457 2011-04-15 18:41:54 <gasteve> k (I wouldn't call that a miner though)
2458 2011-04-15 18:43:19 <purplezky> tcatm: if we wrote a javascript miner, then the spammers would just emulate the javascript miner's behaviour with a gpu miner. it's no use.
2459 2011-04-15 18:43:42 <tcatm> purplezky: in that case they'd generate the coins for the faucet
2460 2011-04-15 18:43:53 <gasteve> purplezky: the same thought just occurred to me ;)
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2462 2011-04-15 18:44:17 <purplezky> i was assuming lowered difficulty, so no coins generated
2463 2011-04-15 18:44:33 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,calcd 60 1
2464 2011-04-15 18:44:33 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 60 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 19 hours, 53 minutes, and 2 seconds
2465 2011-04-15 18:44:34 <tcatm> they'd be part of a pool
2466 2011-04-15 18:44:47 <phantomcircuit> yeah javascript miner isn't going to work
2467 2011-04-15 18:45:04 <tcatm> 60khash/s?
2468 2011-04-15 18:45:04 <phantomcircuit> i was getting 60 sha256 ops/second
2469 2011-04-15 18:45:13 <phantomcircuit> not even 60 khash/s
2470 2011-04-15 18:45:19 <tcatm> code?
2471 2011-04-15 18:45:21 <Diablo-D3> what.
2472 2011-04-15 18:45:21 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,calcd 0.006 1
2473 2011-04-15 18:45:21 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 0.006 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 22 years, 36 weeks, 3 days, 1 hour, 4 minutes, and 42 seconds
2474 2011-04-15 18:45:50 <phantomcircuit> tcatm, it was far from optimized, but i doubt you'd see much of an improvement
2475 2011-04-15 18:45:56 <purplezky> that's even not worth pooling
2476 2011-04-15 18:45:59 <gasteve> well, the whole idea of the faucet is to distribute some coins in a way that is easier/quicker than generating coins...so if you can mine at some lower difficult for the faucet, you would do that instead of mining for the network
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2478 2011-04-15 18:48:01 <gasteve> but, if the faucet were to simply increase the difficulty of the proof of work as the rate of bitcoin distribution increases such that it rate limits overall distribution, I think it would work (even if someone plugged a GPU into the thing)
2479 2011-04-15 18:48:15 <phantomcircuit> uh
2480 2011-04-15 18:48:25 <gasteve> if you still had the other measures (limit by ip address and such)...it would be effective I think
2481 2011-04-15 18:48:25 <phantomcircuit> or the payout could be variable
2482 2011-04-15 18:49:13 <purplezky> i think it should be something like mechanical turk, you get bitcoins for performing real human work
2483 2011-04-15 18:49:28 <gasteve> yeah, that might be a good idea
2484 2011-04-15 18:49:39 <MacRohard> wire it up to a 1-900 # or something
2485 2011-04-15 18:49:40 <gasteve> does amazon still run that thing?
2486 2011-04-15 18:49:58 <purplezky> yup
2487 2011-04-15 18:50:17 <purplezky> can't we have a bitcoin faucet mechanical turk proxy ?
2488 2011-04-15 18:50:28 <gasteve> it could be plugged into amazons service...the faucet could collect the fee from amazon and distribute coins
2489 2011-04-15 18:50:41 <gasteve> (and use the fees to replenish the faucet)
2490 2011-04-15 18:51:00 <purplezky> thus buying them on mtgox, and prices go up :)
2491 2011-04-15 18:51:07 <gasteve> it kind of goes with the spirit of bitcoins too
2492 2011-04-15 18:51:27 <gasteve> (that you should provide some product or service to earn bitcoins)
2493 2011-04-15 18:51:47 <gasteve> "cointurk"
2494 2011-04-15 18:52:01 <MacRohard> i'v enever really foudn any jobs on turk that i could really do tho'
2495 2011-04-15 18:52:25 <phantomcircuit> they're always like
2496 2011-04-15 18:52:32 <phantomcircuit> write 3 page report for 0.25$
2497 2011-04-15 18:52:37 <MacRohard> yeah
2498 2011-04-15 18:52:49 <MacRohard> and how do you know if they'll even accept it
2499 2011-04-15 18:52:59 <phantomcircuit> you dont
2500 2011-04-15 18:53:39 <MacRohard> i mean realy i'd rather paypal like $5 to get a few bitcoin than mess with the turk
2501 2011-04-15 18:54:10 <gasteve> me too ;)
2502 2011-04-15 18:54:18 <purplezky> true
2503 2011-04-15 18:56:30 <purplezky> i hope that soon my smsbitcoins integration will be aproved worldwide, then i can do low cost distribution for new users
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2505 2011-04-15 19:02:19 <kiba> The US government thugs just seized a bunch of poker domains
2506 2011-04-15 19:02:34 <kiba> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2451302
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2508 2011-04-15 19:05:38 <phantomcircuit> kiba, lol well poker like that is illegal
2509 2011-04-15 19:06:34 <Insti> it's not.
2510 2011-04-15 19:07:50 <CIA-89> bitcoin: genjix * re7ddd6579bba intersango/view_request.php: only allow cancel a DEPOS request., http://tinyurl.com/3hhgky8
2511 2011-04-15 19:07:55 <purplezky> apparantly the financial part was located in malta and the domain name servers for the servers were hosted in the US, that's why they could seize them.
2512 2011-04-15 19:08:58 <MacRohard> register some .mt domains
2513 2011-04-15 19:09:31 <kiba> they're a bunch of thugs, I tell ya!
2514 2011-04-15 19:10:00 <purplezky> To register a .com.mt-domain the registrant must be a registered European company. Company number and VAT information must be provided upon registration.
2515 2011-04-15 19:10:01 <MacRohard> government is the same thing as organized crime
2516 2011-04-15 19:10:04 <tcoppi> wtf
2517 2011-04-15 19:10:33 <kiba> wtf>+?
2518 2011-04-15 19:10:37 <kiba> wtf?
2519 2011-04-15 19:11:17 <purplezky> we reall need a distributed dns alternative
2520 2011-04-15 19:11:23 <purplezky> really*
2521 2011-04-15 19:11:59 <kiba> BitDNS!
2522 2011-04-15 19:12:10 <kiba> unfortuntely, nobody cares to work on it
2523 2011-04-15 19:12:15 <purplezky> i care
2524 2011-04-15 19:12:31 <kiba> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2072.0
2525 2011-04-15 19:12:59 <purplezky> 3500 BTC nice bounty
2526 2011-04-15 19:13:00 <kiba> 3500 BTC as incentive
2527 2011-04-15 19:14:44 <kiba> so go on...build it!
2528 2011-04-15 19:14:45 <kiba> somehow
2529 2011-04-15 19:15:30 <purplezky> mkay
2530 2011-04-15 19:15:32 <tcatm> more like 1500 BTC
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2533 2011-04-15 19:17:12 <phantomcircuit> tcatm, yeah within 3 months
2534 2011-04-15 19:17:33 <purplezky> this has to be seriously reworked though, bitdns would require faster lookups than 10 minute block confirmation delays
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2536 2011-04-15 19:18:07 <tcatm> lookups would be fast. changes would take 10 min
2537 2011-04-15 19:18:35 <purplezky> hijacks would occur by fake branches
2538 2011-04-15 19:18:38 <purplezky> just not workable
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2540 2011-04-15 19:18:51 <tcatm> and they'd last for a few blocks
2541 2011-04-15 19:19:04 <tcatm> not a real problem
2542 2011-04-15 19:19:04 <purplezky> i'll think about an alternative
2543 2011-04-15 19:19:26 <purplezky> so you get redirected to fake.mtgox.com instead of www.mtgox.com
2544 2011-04-15 19:19:42 <purplezky> no way that you can trust that
2545 2011-04-15 19:19:49 <tcatm> doesn't matter. I can still check mtgox.com SSL certificate
2546 2011-04-15 19:19:52 <purplezky> you need a chain of reliability
2547 2011-04-15 19:20:05 <tcatm> and you could add a delay so changes are only valid after > 6 confirmations
2548 2011-04-15 19:20:19 <phantomcircuit> the TTL for most dns systems is already pretty long
2549 2011-04-15 19:21:13 <purplezky> a distributed dns is a web of trust
2550 2011-04-15 19:21:20 <phantomcircuit> not to mention could could do something like a CNAME record
2551 2011-04-15 19:21:29 <purplezky> the links are public/private keys
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2553 2011-04-15 19:22:01 <purplezky> a set of links should be signed with a group certificate
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2555 2011-04-15 19:22:26 <purplezky> you import group certificates from parties you trust at first initialization
2556 2011-04-15 19:22:46 <phantomcircuit> purplezky, WOT always fails
2557 2011-04-15 19:22:57 <purplezky> phantomcircuit, why ?
2558 2011-04-15 19:23:09 <phantomcircuit> you end up with a small group of people who are highly trusted
2559 2011-04-15 19:23:14 <phantomcircuit> they can fuck shit up easily
2560 2011-04-15 19:25:49 <kiba> what's wrong bitcoin technology for distributed DNS?
2561 2011-04-15 19:26:04 <purplezky> speed
2562 2011-04-15 19:26:23 <kiba> what kind of speed?
2563 2011-04-15 19:26:25 <kiba> registration?
2564 2011-04-15 19:26:27 <kiba> lookup?
2565 2011-04-15 19:26:37 <purplezky> and using a fake blockchain branch to resolve to a blackhat domain
2566 2011-04-15 19:26:49 <purplezky> both registration and lookup
2567 2011-04-15 19:27:03 <kiba> they would need more than 50% power to fake a blockchain
2568 2011-04-15 19:27:10 <kiba> why would lookup be slow?
2569 2011-04-15 19:27:18 <luke-jr> is it possible to use part of the coinbase for miners to advertise their fee schedule?
2570 2011-04-15 19:27:21 <purplezky> you should be able to resolve and receive a signed trusted ip
2571 2011-04-15 19:27:53 <luke-jr> and let wallets parse it, and calculate expected fees for "in the next N blocks"
2572 2011-04-15 19:27:57 <kiba> lookup is just using the database
2573 2011-04-15 19:28:02 <purplezky> dns lookups are between 20ms and 200ms
2574 2011-04-15 19:28:20 <kiba> why would registration make them slow?
2575 2011-04-15 19:28:40 <luke-jr> or is there a better way perhaps?
2576 2011-04-15 19:28:51 <purplezky> you have to mine blocks to enter transactions with the new domainnames
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2578 2011-04-15 19:29:19 <luke-jr> genjix: ping
2579 2011-04-15 19:30:06 <kiba> domain name don't change that quickly
2580 2011-04-15 19:32:34 <purplezky> names dont change, but some people have dynamic ip's
2581 2011-04-15 19:33:45 <kiba> and why would you use dynamic ips for your server?
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2584 2011-04-15 19:37:02 <purplezky> some people are on adsl connections and don't have the choice to have a fixed ip
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2586 2011-04-15 19:38:56 <kiba> ever visit a server hosted on an adsl connection recently?
2587 2011-04-15 19:39:04 <lulzplzkthx> LOL
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2589 2011-04-15 19:39:31 <phantomcircuit> kiba, yes?
2590 2011-04-15 19:39:44 <phantomcircuit> purplezky, they can just use a dynamic dns service
2591 2011-04-15 19:39:57 <phantomcircuit> if their dyn dns domain gets taken they move to a new one
2592 2011-04-15 19:40:00 <phantomcircuit> magic
2593 2011-04-15 19:40:26 <purplezky> the discussion was about bitdns a non-centralized dns that a third party can't disrupt
2594 2011-04-15 19:40:52 <lulzplzkthx> Wouldn't that involve a LOT of hops?
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2596 2011-04-15 19:41:03 <lulzplzkthx> Depending on how many connections you had made and number of people in the network?
2597 2011-04-15 19:41:12 <purplezky> not necessarily
2598 2011-04-15 19:41:16 <lulzplzkthx> I'm thinking about it similarly to a wireless mesh network. With wireless mesh after about 3 hops it's very slow.
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2600 2011-04-15 19:41:23 <lulzplzkthx> Err, not slow, but you have latency issues.
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2602 2011-04-15 19:41:38 <purplezky> i think of it like a bittorrent network
2603 2011-04-15 19:41:49 <purplezky> the data is distributed for minimum hop count
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2605 2011-04-15 19:42:21 <lulzplzkthx> But with a BitTorrent network, you have a different approach than an HTTP server.
2606 2011-04-15 19:42:36 <lulzplzkthx> You're connecting directly to many peers for a longer period of time, so the connection time isn't a huge matter.
2607 2011-04-15 19:42:42 <lulzplzkthx> As long as you get connected within, say, 10 seconds.
2608 2011-04-15 19:42:54 <kiba> just connect to your favorite DNS provider
2609 2011-04-15 19:42:57 <kiba> than you're done
2610 2011-04-15 19:43:15 <kiba> the DNS provider will worry about DNS propogation from BitDNS for you
2611 2011-04-15 19:43:33 <kiba> unless you're paranoid
2612 2011-04-15 19:44:17 <purplezky> you don't have to be paranoid to be taken by a man in the middle attack
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2615 2011-04-15 19:45:33 <lulzplzkthx> Wow. Yeah, MITM would be VERY easy in this suggested BitDNS.
2616 2011-04-15 19:45:45 <lulzplzkthx> Though, in the same way, doesn't that mean a .onion is very susceptible to MITM?
2617 2011-04-15 19:45:54 <lulzplzkthx> I'm unfamiliar on the exact way .onion's work.
2618 2011-04-15 19:46:21 <kiba> what about Bitcoin?
2619 2011-04-15 19:46:30 <kiba> why aren't they're suseptible to MITM?
2620 2011-04-15 19:46:37 <purplezky> as long as you have a cryptographic verfication for the identity of the end-peer
2621 2011-04-15 19:46:43 <lulzplzkthx> Because it's encrypted coins.
2622 2011-04-15 19:46:46 <lulzplzkthx> Public/Private.
2623 2011-04-15 19:46:53 <lulzplzkthx> You can't do that on a DNS...
2624 2011-04-15 19:46:54 <purplezky> the proxy peers don't see the content
2625 2011-04-15 19:47:09 <purplezky> because it's encrypted
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2627 2011-04-15 19:47:17 <genjix> luke-jr: hey
2628 2011-04-15 19:47:24 <kiba> what prevent BitDNS record from being encrypted?
2629 2011-04-15 19:47:30 <genjix> MagicalTux: hey
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2632 2011-04-15 19:48:22 <phantomcircuit> i like how none of you have any idea what you're talking about
2633 2011-04-15 19:48:24 <phantomcircuit> it's cute
2634 2011-04-15 19:48:48 <genjix> phantomcircuit, you're cute
2635 2011-04-15 19:48:49 <purplezky> the communication should be encrypted
2636 2011-04-15 19:48:56 <purplezky> the record should be signed
2637 2011-04-15 19:48:58 <genjix> your python client is cuter
2638 2011-04-15 19:49:00 <kiba> phantomcircuit: I don't know anything
2639 2011-04-15 19:49:01 <phantomcircuit> genjix, awwww
2640 2011-04-15 19:49:04 <genjix> :)
2641 2011-04-15 19:49:15 <phantomcircuit> genjix, you're makin' me blush
2642 2011-04-15 19:49:39 <kiba> aren't bitcoin transaction public?
2643 2011-04-15 19:49:57 <phantomcircuit> kiba, yes
2644 2011-04-15 19:50:03 <purplezky> kiba, yes but the private keys never travel over the network
2645 2011-04-15 19:50:37 <kiba> so
2646 2011-04-15 19:50:50 <kiba> why you need private keys to travel for modification to BitDNS?
2647 2011-04-15 19:51:01 <kiba> database
2648 2011-04-15 19:51:17 <purplezky> private keys never travel, unless you're moving your wallet
2649 2011-04-15 19:51:47 <kiba> deflecting the question
2650 2011-04-15 19:51:53 <kiba> with a different answer to another question
2651 2011-04-15 19:51:59 <phantomcircuit> i like how none of you have any idea what you're talking about
2652 2011-04-15 19:52:11 <purplezky> deja entendu
2653 2011-04-15 19:52:24 <kiba> phantomcircuit: enlighten us, ya?
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2656 2011-04-15 19:53:34 <phantomcircuit> kiba, you need the private key to sign transactions which change the dns record
2657 2011-04-15 19:53:40 <phantomcircuit> it's really not complicated at all
2658 2011-04-15 19:54:18 <cosurgi> luke-jr: I got another python question :)
2659 2011-04-15 19:54:30 <cosurgi> luke-jr: I have a structure like this aa=[('gravWork', -124058.37762446512), ('kinRot', 280.92579860210162), ('kinTrans', 56787.229058498357), ('nonviscDamp', 88732.653991089654)]
2660 2011-04-15 19:54:31 <kiba> phantomcircuit: just like bitcoin?
2661 2011-04-15 19:54:36 <phantomcircuit> kiba, yes
2662 2011-04-15 19:54:48 <kiba> than what's the problem?
2663 2011-04-15 19:55:10 <cosurgi> luke-jr: and I want to extract the value for 'gravWork', is it possible to index this by name?
2664 2011-04-15 19:55:32 <cosurgi> luke-jr: currently I am doing aa[0][1] , which isn't looking nice...
2665 2011-04-15 19:55:45 <phantomcircuit> cosurgi, dict(aa)
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2667 2011-04-15 19:55:57 <phantomcircuit> AMAZING
2668 2011-04-15 19:56:15 <cosurgi> phantomcircuit: thanks :)
2669 2011-04-15 19:56:21 <cosurgi> works great
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2692 2011-04-15 20:21:35 <BlueMatt> witten: ping
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2697 2011-04-15 20:27:18 <webchat_20089> Anyone have any luck with the MtGox websockets API?
2698 2011-04-15 20:35:34 <webchat_20089> ;;bc,stats
2699 2011-04-15 20:35:35 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118526 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 417 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 12 hours, 27 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 91487.94887634
2700 2011-04-15 20:36:50 <tcatm> webchat_20089: try telnet bitcoincharts.com 27007 if you're interesting in a market stream
2701 2011-04-15 20:37:45 <webchat_20089> tcatm: thanks
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2718 2011-04-15 21:17:29 <cosurgi> tcatm: it's good that you have sorted by total 30d volume. Could you make the columns sortable by clicking on column header? But leave default sorting as '30d volume'.
2719 2011-04-15 21:18:40 <cosurgi> tcatm: could you also add a "Total 30d volume" ? Total, as summed over all markets. Then I will be able to tell my brother (who works in a bank), that bitcoin is serious because in last 30d people sold and bought over 500 000 worth of USD in bitcoins.
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2722 2011-04-15 21:19:23 <tcatm> how should I sum EUR and USD?
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2724 2011-04-15 21:19:37 <cosurgi> tcatm: could you also add a new column 'currency' and there would be USD, PLN, RUB, and others, and it would be sortable by that column?
2725 2011-04-15 21:19:59 <tcatm> that would work
2726 2011-04-15 21:20:17 <cosurgi> tcatm: yes, it's a problem. hmmm maybe just use `total 30d volume` in BTC
2727 2011-04-15 21:20:31 <tcatm> it will probably become one of the non-free features
2728 2011-04-15 21:21:10 <cosurgi> you are going to make subscriptions? registering on your site, etc?
2729 2011-04-15 21:21:45 <cosurgi> you talk about column sorting that it will be non-free ?
2730 2011-04-15 21:22:26 <cosurgi> tcatm: you know... you could just "sell browser cookies".
2731 2011-04-15 21:22:46 <cosurgi> tcatm: donate a bit of BTC to your address sets a cookie. no need to register etc.
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2733 2011-04-15 21:23:08 <tcatm> I'll add other features that won't work with cookies
2734 2011-04-15 21:23:24 <cosurgi> ok. just an idea
2735 2011-04-15 21:23:56 <cosurgi> depending on how much you will charge I may join or not :)
2736 2011-04-15 21:24:31 <tcatm> 3..5 BTC/month
2737 2011-04-15 21:24:41 <cosurgi> I think I could pay 1 BTC/month...
2738 2011-04-15 21:24:55 <midnightmagic> jesus lookit the huge spike and drop..
2739 2011-04-15 21:25:01 <cosurgi> or, charge per feature
2740 2011-04-15 21:25:02 <midnightmagic> wtf is that?
2741 2011-04-15 21:25:17 <cosurgi> tcatm: I checkbox a new feature, I pay more this month :)
2742 2011-04-15 21:26:16 <midnightmagic> why is it approx. the same ghash peak as MM?
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2745 2011-04-15 21:29:45 <midnightmagic> geez, mtgox peaked to $1.09 again.
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2751 2011-04-15 21:47:00 <luke-jr> genjix: hey, I ⦠forgot what I pinged you about XD
2752 2011-04-15 21:47:12 <luke-jr> oh right⦠how does Britcoin work? like MtGox or Market? :P
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2754 2011-04-15 21:49:46 <[Tycho]> Which GPU on 5970 is the master and which is the slave ? :)
2755 2011-04-15 21:50:34 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: the master is the master, and the slave is the slave
2756 2011-04-15 21:51:18 <[Tycho]> That's not the answer.
2757 2011-04-15 21:51:43 <BlueMatt> I am the master
2758 2011-04-15 21:53:00 <midnightmagic> [Tycho]: depends on the motherboard.
2759 2011-04-15 21:53:13 <midnightmagic> [Tycho]: sometimes the master is the higher bus, sometimes the slave is.
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2761 2011-04-15 21:53:57 <midnightmagic> [Tycho]: I rewrote most of art's fan controller thingie and the way i detect it is I find out which card supports fan control and which doesn't. I depend on the slave being within one BusID away from its master.
2762 2011-04-15 21:57:14 <midnightmagic> if(!(FanSpeedInfo.iFlags & (ADL_DL_FANCTRL_SUPPORTS_PERCENT_READ | ADL_DL_FANCTRL_SUPPORTS_PERCENT_WRITE))) <-- the lack of ADL_DL_FANCTRL_SUPPORTS_PERCENT_READ/WRITE suggests the card is a slave. and then of course you check to see if there's one nearby which does.
2763 2011-04-15 21:58:59 <phantomcircuit> argh
2764 2011-04-15 21:59:02 <phantomcircuit> i hate dead memory
2765 2011-04-15 21:59:36 <[Tycho]> I see which one has fan control, but is it closer to mounting bracket or air intakes ? :)
2766 2011-04-15 22:00:51 <[Tycho]> It would be strange if it's not a persistent assignment.
2767 2011-04-15 22:03:35 <midnightmagic> it is a persistent assignment as to which one has fan control.
2768 2011-04-15 22:04:21 <[Tycho]> But looking at the board i can't see which one controls the fan :)
2769 2011-04-15 22:05:46 <midnightmagic> oh you mean physically?
2770 2011-04-15 22:05:53 <midnightmagic> out of curiosity, why are you asking?
2771 2011-04-15 22:06:47 <[Tycho]> Yes.
2772 2011-04-15 22:07:21 <midnightmagic> like, so long as it can be determined programmatically, what diff. does it make which one physically is wired to fan control?
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2774 2011-04-15 22:08:13 <[Tycho]> Just out of curiosity :)
2775 2011-04-15 22:08:53 <midnightmagic> in that case, if you find out, I would really appreciate it if you let me know too. :)
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2777 2011-04-15 22:12:06 <krytzz> purplezky: can you tell me about your sms stuff? do you have it explained anywhere?
2778 2011-04-15 22:12:38 <[Tycho]> In my rig the OpenCL's GPU order is 2-1-3-4 somehow... :)
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2780 2011-04-15 22:14:41 <tcoppi> goddamn the spread on mtgox right now is large
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2783 2011-04-15 22:16:18 <[Tycho]> Russian exchange site just broke :)
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2785 2011-04-15 22:17:50 <midnightmagic> [Tycho]: what do you mean 2 1 3 4? as in, DISPLAY=2.0/1.0/3.0/4.0?
2786 2011-04-15 22:18:42 <BlueMatt> witten: ping
2787 2011-04-15 22:21:35 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: DISPLAY numbers are arbitrary
2788 2011-04-15 22:22:07 <[Tycho]> midnightmagic, i mean that device 1 in poclbm is GPU2 in Afterburner :)
2789 2011-04-15 22:25:01 <toffoo> hey, has anyone written a live-updating order book page using mt.gox's new websockets interface yet?
2790 2011-04-15 22:28:15 <Clark> I've tried... the API seems to have gone down
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2792 2011-04-15 22:33:02 <grbgout> What influence does the Video Ram have on the mining process?
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2794 2011-04-15 22:34:06 <tcatm> grbgout: none
2795 2011-04-15 22:34:11 <tcatm> it's not used
2796 2011-04-15 22:34:17 <grbgout> o.O really?
2797 2011-04-15 22:34:29 <Blitzboom> yes
2798 2011-04-15 22:34:57 <grbgout> I thought I saw someone mentioning either here or in -mining that they saw better, though marginal, performance with a card that had more video ram (iirc it was the same model, but with more memory).
2799 2011-04-15 22:35:06 <grbgout> That is /very/ interesting.
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2801 2011-04-15 22:36:28 <grbgout> ;;bc,gen 90360
2802 2011-04-15 22:36:29 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 90360 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 1.10370027327 BTC per day and 0.0459875113863 BTC per hour.
2803 2011-04-15 22:39:40 <luke-jr> grbgout: sounds like BS or chance
2804 2011-04-15 22:41:16 * jgarzik agrees
2805 2011-04-15 22:41:20 <grbgout> I wish I could remember where I read it, that way I could find it in my logs for the context.
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2807 2011-04-15 22:41:31 <gjs278> when I set my memory clock higher I get a better hash rate
2808 2011-04-15 22:41:34 <gjs278> but it caps at 900
2809 2011-04-15 22:41:38 <gjs278> anything above 900 doesnt help
2810 2011-04-15 22:41:42 <gjs278> anything below 900 hurts
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2812 2011-04-15 22:42:09 <grbgout> gjs278: Isn't memory clock the same as "Clock" in the mining hardware comparison wiki page?
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2816 2011-04-15 22:42:41 <gjs278> no
2817 2011-04-15 22:42:43 <gjs278> that's core clock
2818 2011-04-15 22:43:02 <grbgout> ah
2819 2011-04-15 22:43:24 <grbgout> I presumed the memory was running at the core clock.
2820 2011-04-15 22:43:32 <grbgout> didn't realize they were independent.
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2828 2011-04-15 22:57:27 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
2829 2011-04-15 22:57:29 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118543 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 400 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 10 hours, 20 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 91384.77722456
2830 2011-04-15 22:57:54 <theorbtwo> grbgout: Depends on the machine. They are mostly independent these days.
2831 2011-04-15 22:58:02 <kiba> so
2832 2011-04-15 22:58:05 <kiba> the bitcoin economy broke an all time high
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2835 2011-04-15 23:03:02 <grbgout> kiba: the highest I saw it reach was 1.04901. Did you see it reach something higher?
2836 2011-04-15 23:03:46 <sipa> i've seen 1.07 i think
2837 2011-04-15 23:04:08 <luke-jr> website says 1.09
2838 2011-04-15 23:04:12 <kiba> the volume
2839 2011-04-15 23:04:19 <kiba> 50,000 USD
2840 2011-04-15 23:04:22 <kiba> in a single day
2841 2011-04-15 23:05:07 <grbgout> luke-jr: which one?
2842 2011-04-15 23:05:11 <luke-jr> MtGox
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2844 2011-04-15 23:05:25 <grbgout> neat
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2847 2011-04-15 23:09:55 <slush> actually 50k USD can trade few people. I'm pretty curious how many active traders are on mtgox...
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2849 2011-04-15 23:10:26 <krytzz> probably some have multiple accounts so you cant find out really
2850 2011-04-15 23:10:54 <slush> For example I made one swing with 1000 BTC today, so I added 2k USD to this volume.
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2853 2011-04-15 23:11:53 <slush> so how many people are on mtgox? 20? ;)
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2860 2011-04-15 23:14:11 <cosurgi> slush: what is a 'swing'? You sold to yourself?
2861 2011-04-15 23:14:25 <slush> I sold and bought back later
2862 2011-04-15 23:14:44 <cosurgi> ok :) did you make a profit on that?
2863 2011-04-15 23:14:52 <slush> of course :)
2864 2011-04-15 23:14:54 <kiba> eventually, 50 K in a single day is going to be....NOTHING
2865 2011-04-15 23:15:01 <cosurgi> heh.
2866 2011-04-15 23:15:03 <kiba> slush: but you can't prove a thing
2867 2011-04-15 23:15:07 <cosurgi> maybe I should be doing this too :)
2868 2011-04-15 23:15:30 <kiba> it could be a few, it could be a few hundred
2869 2011-04-15 23:15:32 <kiba> who knows?
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2875 2011-04-15 23:18:20 <kiba> heard we're going to be featured in Time Magazine
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2877 2011-04-15 23:18:38 <krytzz> what?
2878 2011-04-15 23:18:47 <eternal1> wow!
2879 2011-04-15 23:18:49 <slush> what?
2880 2011-04-15 23:18:52 <krytzz> kiba: source?
2881 2011-04-15 23:19:53 <slush> kiba: only MagicalTux know :)
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2883 2011-04-15 23:20:15 <grbgout> kiba: if that's true, it's time to dump your money into BTC now.
2884 2011-04-15 23:20:22 <luke-jr> yeah lol
2885 2011-04-15 23:20:27 <luke-jr> like the guy who's been buying
2886 2011-04-15 23:20:34 <slush> kiba: mtgox market is still tiny, I'm looking forward times where orders in thousands of BTC will be common
2887 2011-04-15 23:20:34 <grbgout> luke-jr: indeed
2888 2011-04-15 23:20:48 <luke-jr> told ya he knew something we didn't.
2889 2011-04-15 23:20:54 * grbgout kicks himself for not buying at .65
2890 2011-04-15 23:21:03 <dirtyfilthy> http://twitter.com/#!/jerrybrito/status/59011894236819456
2891 2011-04-15 23:21:06 * luke-jr kicks himself for only buying 100 at .4
2892 2011-04-15 23:21:23 <Big_Brother> twatter!
2893 2011-04-15 23:21:33 <grbgout> ...
2894 2011-04-15 23:21:47 <grbgout> given the context, I was not expecting that link to be about the poker crap.
2895 2011-04-15 23:23:06 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,calc 300000
2896 2011-04-15 23:23:06 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 300000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 1 week, 6 days, 15 hours, 28 minutes, and 48 seconds
2897 2011-04-15 23:23:47 <dirtyfilthy> might be for realz, check out the dudes bibliography http://about.jerrybrito.org/
2898 2011-04-15 23:24:30 <grbgout> dirtyfilthy: what might be fore 'realz'? The domain seizure? It was mentioned on slashdot earlier.
2899 2011-04-15 23:24:44 <dirtyfilthy> the time article
2900 2011-04-15 23:25:12 <dirtyfilthy> on bitcoin
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2902 2011-04-15 23:28:09 <grbgout> dirtyfilthy: uh, I guess I'm missing something here. How are you drawing a parallel between jerrybrito and the potential time article?
2903 2011-04-15 23:28:26 <grbgout> oh, "TIME piece" in the twitter post. durp
2904 2011-04-15 23:28:33 <dirtyfilthy> yeah
2905 2011-04-15 23:28:34 <ersi> Holy fark
2906 2011-04-15 23:29:41 <Blitzboom> bruce wagner announced something like this some time ago
2907 2011-04-15 23:29:56 <Blitzboom> that heâs interviewed by a "major major magazine"
2908 2011-04-15 23:30:14 <Blitzboom> iâll only believe it when i see it though
2909 2011-04-15 23:30:28 <grbgout> yup
2910 2011-04-15 23:31:13 <purplezky> is there a maximum number of outputs in a single transaction ?
2911 2011-04-15 23:31:31 <tcatm> there's an implicit limit IIRC
2912 2011-04-15 23:32:01 <phantomcircuit> purplezky, 4 billion
2913 2011-04-15 23:32:12 <kiba> wonders what Bruce Wagner talked about with jerrybrito?
2914 2011-04-15 23:32:13 <phantomcircuit> ish
2915 2011-04-15 23:32:40 <purplezky> so in theory you could make a transaction with thousands of inputs and outputs
2916 2011-04-15 23:32:51 <purplezky> nice
2917 2011-04-15 23:33:42 <phantomcircuit> in theory you could make a transaction with infinitey input/outputs
2918 2011-04-15 23:33:53 <phantomcircuit> but you wouldn't be able to reference all the outputs in the inputs
2919 2011-04-15 23:34:07 <phantomcircuit> (the protocol and file format isn't exactly well thought out)
2920 2011-04-15 23:34:36 <purplezky> is this not dangerous to be a denial of service when transaction get spammed with lots of inputs and outputs ?
2921 2011-04-15 23:34:51 <purplezky> or should the network be able to handle that
2922 2011-04-15 23:36:12 <tcatm> the network handles it just fine.
2923 2011-04-15 23:36:22 <purplezky> great :)
2924 2011-04-15 23:36:26 <tcatm> a tx with many ins/outs will be large and thus require a large fee
2925 2011-04-15 23:38:24 <purplezky> is lock_time on a transaction considered deprecated, or not yet implemented ?
2926 2011-04-15 23:39:12 <tcatm> not yet implemented I'd say
2927 2011-04-15 23:47:59 <luke-jr> btw, I told the head guy at my credit union about Bitcoin last night
2928 2011-04-15 23:49:24 <krytzz> and?
2929 2011-04-15 23:49:28 <krytzz> he laughed at you :)
2930 2011-04-15 23:49:58 <luke-jr> no
2931 2011-04-15 23:50:00 <krytzz> you'll came back in a year with a porsche
2932 2011-04-15 23:50:01 <luke-jr> he said he'd look into it
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2934 2011-04-15 23:50:09 <luke-jr> and thanked me
2935 2011-04-15 23:50:22 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
2936 2011-04-15 23:50:23 <gribble> 118545
2937 2011-04-15 23:50:24 <krytzz> cool