1 2011-04-17 00:00:08 <luke-jr> meh, can't hurt to try
2 2011-04-17 00:00:33 <krytzz> will be some years until this point
3 2011-04-17 00:00:49 <luke-jr> Bitcoin hit mainstream media today. Don't bet on time.
4 2011-04-17 00:01:27 <krytzz> you mean the times article?
5 2011-04-17 00:03:32 <Diablo-D3> I wish people would quit bringing up illegality
6 2011-04-17 00:03:38 <Diablo-D3> if its illegal in dollars, its illegal in bitcoins
7 2011-04-17 00:03:40 <Diablo-D3> period
8 2011-04-17 00:03:48 <Diablo-D3> online gambling, money laundering, not paying your taxes
9 2011-04-17 00:03:57 <Diablo-D3> all illegal in any currency, real or not.
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11 2011-04-17 00:04:27 <krytzz> but im sceptical about mainstream-adoption
12 2011-04-17 00:04:59 <krytzz> i bet its at least 5 years about it may be discussed in politics here
13 2011-04-17 00:05:04 <krytzz> other countries no idea
14 2011-04-17 00:05:38 * BurtyB agrees with Diablo-D3, the "currency" shouldnt make any difference if it's illegal it's still illegal
15 2011-04-17 00:06:04 <Diablo-D3> and the official statement from the lords of bitcoin is: dont drag bitcoin into your shit, we want nothing to do with it
16 2011-04-17 00:06:47 <luke-jr> how's this look? https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Petition_against_illegal_use
17 2011-04-17 00:07:14 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: doesnt really make sense.
18 2011-04-17 00:07:23 <Diablo-D3> we cant force anonymous users to follow the law
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20 2011-04-17 00:07:26 <Diablo-D3> nor can any legal entity
21 2011-04-17 00:07:30 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: we can still petition them not to
22 2011-04-17 00:07:32 <Diablo-D3> they can only punish them when they do wrong
23 2011-04-17 00:07:36 <Diablo-D3> we are not the police
24 2011-04-17 00:07:40 <Diablo-D3> we are not a law enforcement agency
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26 2011-04-17 00:07:51 <Diablo-D3> and if we try doing ANYTHING like that, we may loose certain legal rights
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28 2011-04-17 00:08:10 <Diablo-D3> the only thing we can do is ignore or shun people known to do illegal activity
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30 2011-04-17 00:08:14 <Diablo-D3> just like we would in real life
31 2011-04-17 00:08:19 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: and ask them not to do it
32 2011-04-17 00:09:13 <Diablo-D3> also, you know my pool?
33 2011-04-17 00:09:19 <Diablo-D3> I dont think Im going to have registration
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35 2011-04-17 00:09:33 <luke-jr> didn't know you had a pool
36 2011-04-17 00:09:43 <Diablo-D3> Ive been writing pool software off and on for the past month
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38 2011-04-17 00:09:53 <Diablo-D3> and Im pretty sure you knew this
39 2011-04-17 00:10:05 <Diablo-D3> since its going to implement websockets at some point
40 2011-04-17 00:10:07 <krytzz> i think we could help to get tax issues right from the start (help as much by software as possible)
41 2011-04-17 00:10:08 <luke-jr> probably Java crap
42 2011-04-17 00:10:17 <Diablo-D3> krytzz: no
43 2011-04-17 00:10:21 <Diablo-D3> there is no "tax issues"
44 2011-04-17 00:10:23 <Diablo-D3> it is income
45 2011-04-17 00:10:25 <Diablo-D3> you pay taxes on it
46 2011-04-17 00:10:28 <luke-jr> krytzz: yeah, but what jurisdiction?
47 2011-04-17 00:10:39 <Diablo-D3> you pay them just like they handed you cash
48 2011-04-17 00:10:41 <Diablo-D3> because they did
49 2011-04-17 00:10:45 <krytzz> luke-jr: best would be every, with a combobox to select yours
50 2011-04-17 00:10:51 <luke-jr> krytzz: sounds complex to code
51 2011-04-17 00:10:55 <Diablo-D3> krytzz: um, dude
52 2011-04-17 00:10:57 <Diablo-D3> you do realize
53 2011-04-17 00:11:05 <Diablo-D3> thats a legal liability right?
54 2011-04-17 00:11:07 <Diablo-D3> we're not CPAs.
55 2011-04-17 00:11:17 <Diablo-D3> dont start putting shit where it doesnt belong
56 2011-04-17 00:11:21 <krytzz> no, not legal stuff
57 2011-04-17 00:11:29 <Diablo-D3> if you're a business that accepts bitcoins, you pay taxes on it like normal
58 2011-04-17 00:11:34 <Diablo-D3> theres nothing magical going on
59 2011-04-17 00:11:44 <krytzz> yeah but the first issue is the conversion to $ for example
60 2011-04-17 00:11:48 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin is daily indexed against USD, pull the index on a regular basis
61 2011-04-17 00:11:56 <BurtyB> they don't care about legal... otherwise they wouldnt get the vat reg people to collect taxes for free on their behalf ;)
62 2011-04-17 00:12:01 <Diablo-D3> daily, weekly, monthly, quarterly, whatever makes sense for your business
63 2011-04-17 00:12:01 <krytzz> it changes so fast you cant really tell how much tax you should pay for point x
64 2011-04-17 00:12:08 <Diablo-D3> krytzz: see above.
65 2011-04-17 00:12:12 <krytzz> well ok
66 2011-04-17 00:12:26 <luke-jr> krytzz: so, you mean a form that you can say "tell me what I received on <address> between <dates>, in USD at MtGox ask at the time I got it"?
67 2011-04-17 00:12:34 <Diablo-D3> and then you record this in your books under USD (or your native currency), not BTC.
68 2011-04-17 00:12:39 <krytzz> luke-jr: something like that yeah
69 2011-04-17 00:12:46 <Diablo-D3> this isnt rocket science
70 2011-04-17 00:12:57 <krytzz> right and i didnt say that
71 2011-04-17 00:12:59 <BurtyB> krytzz it's normally a % that doenst change
72 2011-04-17 00:13:29 <luke-jr> BurtyB: but you have to pay the taxes based on the value when you receive it
73 2011-04-17 00:13:32 <krytzz> but there is no automation currently for that you can use in an easy way as i know of
74 2011-04-17 00:13:37 <luke-jr> BurtyB: that *is* non-trivial
75 2011-04-17 00:14:29 <luke-jr> more importantly, how will it work considering that MtGox isn't really market price?
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77 2011-04-17 00:14:44 <krytzz> i thought about that too
78 2011-04-17 00:14:45 <luke-jr> eg, when the competition picks up
79 2011-04-17 00:15:09 <krytzz> we have to wait for a court to rule on that probably in the future
80 2011-04-17 00:15:18 <luke-jr> krytzz: can't.
81 2011-04-17 00:15:29 <jgarzik> the supreme court rules that the supreme court rules.
82 2011-04-17 00:15:31 <luke-jr> gotta pay taxes now, not wait for a court
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84 2011-04-17 00:15:55 <krytzz> right but there is no way to be sure you do the right thing atm
85 2011-04-17 00:15:58 <luke-jr> does gold trade on multiple markets in the same jurisdiction?
86 2011-04-17 00:16:05 <luke-jr> find out how that works
87 2011-04-17 00:16:12 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: uh, duyde
88 2011-04-17 00:16:17 <Diablo-D3> its not non-trivial
89 2011-04-17 00:16:24 <Diablo-D3> you update your index on a strictly regular basis
90 2011-04-17 00:16:29 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: double negatives!
91 2011-04-17 00:16:41 <Diablo-D3> in as much as the IRS can not slam you for gaming it
92 2011-04-17 00:16:50 <Diablo-D3> many businesses accept foreign currencies
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94 2011-04-17 00:16:57 <Diablo-D3> there is sections in the tax code for it
95 2011-04-17 00:17:01 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin isnt any different
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97 2011-04-17 00:17:21 <luke-jr> maybe we should put together a bounty to hire a tax lawyer to give the community advice on these things
98 2011-04-17 00:17:32 <krytzz> right that would be cool
99 2011-04-17 00:17:37 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: dude
100 2011-04-17 00:17:41 <Diablo-D3> if you're a business
101 2011-04-17 00:17:43 <Diablo-D3> you have a CPA
102 2011-04-17 00:17:47 <Diablo-D3> if you dont
103 2011-04-17 00:17:53 <Diablo-D3> I hope you enjoy being audited
104 2011-04-17 00:17:59 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: the law applies to individuals too
105 2011-04-17 00:18:00 <krytzz> are there same legal people in the community already?
106 2011-04-17 00:18:07 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: yes it does
107 2011-04-17 00:18:25 <Diablo-D3> but in the US, unless you make more than $500 from a single source, they really dont want you reporting it
108 2011-04-17 00:18:39 <Diablo-D3> (unless you're being handed a 1099-misc, and I doubt anyone hands out those when paying in btc)
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114 2011-04-17 00:25:54 <krytzz> luke-jr: progress with the wallet protocoll btw?
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116 2011-04-17 00:26:52 <luke-jr> krytzz: none this week, sry
117 2011-04-17 00:27:09 <luke-jr> krytzz: as someone said, the current draft is overly complicated
118 2011-04-17 00:27:17 <luke-jr> but I'm not sure of a sane way to simplify it
119 2011-04-17 00:27:23 <krytzz> hm
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126 2011-04-17 00:34:34 <Kiba> so there
127 2011-04-17 00:34:35 <Kiba> 's
128 2011-04-17 00:34:36 <Kiba> like 3
129 2011-04-17 00:34:42 <Kiba> links on the hacker news site at once
130 2011-04-17 00:34:49 <Kiba> pointing to something about bitcoin
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132 2011-04-17 00:37:01 <Diablo-D3> HAX
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136 2011-04-17 00:40:06 <krytzz> luke-jr: the wiki search doesnt find it.. where was your api page again?
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146 2011-04-17 00:43:59 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
147 2011-04-17 00:44:01 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118726 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 217 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 7 hours, 35 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 91985.64519928
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149 2011-04-17 00:44:09 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
150 2011-04-17 00:44:10 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.095,"low":0.9541,"vol":28745,"buy":1.0273,"sell":1.035,"last":1.0273}}
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160 2011-04-17 01:05:20 <phantomcircuit_> cookies
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162 2011-04-17 01:06:58 <lulzplzkthx> is it bad to have both cores of your processor running at 80C for a few hours?
163 2011-04-17 01:07:01 <lulzplzkthx> heh...
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169 2011-04-17 01:13:17 <CodePHP> The quantity of charictors in a bitcoin address, is it static at 33?
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175 2011-04-17 01:20:09 <EvanR> so im bidding on a 5970 but realized
176 2011-04-17 01:20:22 <EvanR> it says 'not working'. more specifically the fan does not spin so doesnt cool
177 2011-04-17 01:20:34 <EvanR> think its just a matter of replacing the fan?
178 2011-04-17 01:20:51 <krytzz> on ebay?
179 2011-04-17 01:20:52 <EvanR> CodePHP: no
180 2011-04-17 01:20:56 <EvanR> krytzz: yes
181 2011-04-17 01:21:07 <krytzz> well if it says not working most of the time its broken, dont buy it
182 2011-04-17 01:21:18 <krytzz> otherwise you could just buy a new fan and sell it for more money
183 2011-04-17 01:21:39 <EvanR> uhm im buying it for a reason, i wouldnt sell it if its working
184 2011-04-17 01:21:59 <EvanR> so you think replacing the fan will fix it
185 2011-04-17 01:22:08 <EvanR> the fan is the only problem with it
186 2011-04-17 01:22:14 <krytzz> and you are sure about that?
187 2011-04-17 01:22:20 <EvanR> it says that
188 2011-04-17 01:22:33 <EvanR> picture looks fine, just temperature rises quickly
189 2011-04-17 01:22:53 <krytzz> yeah then a fan will fix it
190 2011-04-17 01:22:59 <EvanR> thats good
191 2011-04-17 01:23:03 <EvanR> that being said i hope i get out bid
192 2011-04-17 01:23:08 <EvanR> i dont want to deal with that crap
193 2011-04-17 01:23:19 <krytzz> you mean the picture on the screen?
194 2011-04-17 01:23:23 <krytzz> or a picture of the card?
195 2011-04-17 01:23:26 <EvanR> video output
196 2011-04-17 01:23:31 <krytzz> ok
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202 2011-04-17 01:51:51 <lulzplzkthx> Can anybody here tell me how BTCmine's payment system works? It's not really explained on their site.
203 2011-04-17 01:52:50 <lulzplzkthx> Never mind, I missed it.
204 2011-04-17 01:53:47 <blablaa> lulzplzkthx, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin#Technology
205 2011-04-17 01:54:00 <blablaa> lulzplzkthx, a decent summary
206 2011-04-17 01:54:15 <lulzplzkthx> That's how Bitcoin works... not how BTCmine does payments. Thank you anyways.
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211 2011-04-17 02:14:50 <luke-jr> could I get testnet coins sent to mxwBdraSJzdRLA3novDCrsRrYdawtQLZo9 plz?
212 2011-04-17 02:15:06 <luke-jr> krytzz: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Wallet_protocol
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214 2011-04-17 02:15:39 <luke-jr> jgarzik: ^?
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216 2011-04-17 02:16:05 <krytzz> ah thanks
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220 2011-04-17 02:20:34 <appamatto> ;bc,stats
221 2011-04-17 02:20:38 <appamatto> ;;bc,stats
222 2011-04-17 02:20:40 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118736 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 207 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 6 hours, 7 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 91934.45127041
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224 2011-04-17 02:20:52 <luke-jr> plz?
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227 2011-04-17 02:25:32 <sacarlson> luke-jr: you still need a coin on testnet?
228 2011-04-17 02:25:42 <luke-jr> yep
229 2011-04-17 02:25:59 <sacarlson> luke-jr ok I just woke up so I have to bring it up
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231 2011-04-17 02:27:36 <lfm> there is also a testnet faucet you know?
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233 2011-04-17 02:28:52 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 265000 373.71147262
234 2011-04-17 02:28:52 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 265000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 373.71147262, is 1 hour, 40 minutes, and 56 seconds
235 2011-04-17 02:28:54 <luke-jr> lfm: there is?
236 2011-04-17 02:29:45 * luke-jr blinks.
237 2011-04-17 02:30:18 <luke-jr> I wonder if it will someday be a problem, that blocks are never found in 10 minutes during business hours
238 2011-04-17 02:30:28 <luke-jr> due to everyone turning their miners on only at night
239 2011-04-17 02:30:30 <luke-jr> when they're not using it
240 2011-04-17 02:30:41 <phantomcircuit> unlikely
241 2011-04-17 02:30:53 <phantomcircuit> most of the miners will be professionals
242 2011-04-17 02:30:57 <phantomcircuit> like ArtForz ;)
243 2011-04-17 02:31:37 <[Tycho]> Night is not at the same time all over the world :)
244 2011-04-17 02:32:39 <sacarlson> luke-jr ok sent you 2.0 coin tbtc
245 2011-04-17 02:32:44 <lfm> even pros might only find it profitable to mine when power is cheapest, but [Tycho] is right, that time is not the same everywhere
246 2011-04-17 02:33:39 <sacarlson> power in thailand I calculated is only about 11 cents per kw
247 2011-04-17 02:34:22 <lfm> sacarlson: I think that is cheaper than average so you are set
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249 2011-04-17 02:35:42 <sacarlson> lfm: ok then send me some gpu and I get them going for you
250 2011-04-17 02:36:17 <lfm> Thanks, Ill keep that under consideration
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252 2011-04-17 02:37:03 <sacarlson> luke-jr did you see my transaction of 2 tbtc ? I'm wondering with all the modifications to the config file I did if the original software will still work
253 2011-04-17 02:37:32 <odinswand> im not entirely sure im getting a positive return on mining with my gpu vs paying the electricty for running it
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256 2011-04-17 02:38:04 <lfm> odinswand: what khash/sec are you getting?
257 2011-04-17 02:38:08 <[Tycho]> My average power cost is $0.066 :)
258 2011-04-17 02:38:20 <odinswand> ~26Mh/s
259 2011-04-17 02:38:48 <lfm> odinswand: whats your power cost? I think that should be economical
260 2011-04-17 02:38:59 <odinswand> lfm: not sure
261 2011-04-17 02:39:44 <lfm> odinswand: I expect it will be more that [Tycho] ! Whare is that [Tycho] ?
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263 2011-04-17 02:42:04 <[Tycho]> Russia.
264 2011-04-17 02:42:32 <lfm> [Tycho]: nice, that is one of the cheapest places I know of then
265 2011-04-17 02:43:11 <[Tycho]> It's even cheaper it other places here, when hydroelectric plant is nearby.
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267 2011-04-17 02:52:00 <lfm> [Tycho]: you probably have that advantage that the heat generated is usefull also at least most of the year?
268 2011-04-17 02:53:21 <appamatto> ArtForz, how many days to generate with a top of the line GPU?
269 2011-04-17 02:53:39 <appamatto> ;;help
270 2011-04-17 02:53:40 <gribble> The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/
271 2011-04-17 02:53:45 <appamatto> !facts
272 2011-04-17 02:53:57 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, it's possible to transfer funds directly to other users on mtgox right
273 2011-04-17 02:54:08 <lfm> 5970 are 500-600 or maybe 650 mh/s
274 2011-04-17 02:54:10 <phantomcircuit> or even to send btc directly to an arbitrary address
275 2011-04-17 02:54:24 <sacarlson> luke-jr I see my status on the send at 4 confirm so you should have something soon
276 2011-04-17 02:54:40 <phantomcircuit> i just realized how you could run a pretty much perfectly anonymous futures market
277 2011-04-17 02:55:16 <MagicalTux> phantomcircuit: yep
278 2011-04-17 02:55:26 <kiba> an anonymous stock market!
279 2011-04-17 02:55:34 <lfm> phantomcircuit you should get one running. thatd be great
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281 2011-04-17 02:55:45 <phantomcircuit> ME why never would i do such a thing
282 2011-04-17 02:55:47 <phantomcircuit> *wink*
283 2011-04-17 02:56:08 <appamatto> lfm, is there a gribble calculation for mhash to btc/day?
284 2011-04-17 02:56:15 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit yes that's what I'm working on a group of coins that represent different things including stocks, bonds, conodities, futures and other instruments
285 2011-04-17 02:56:35 <lfm> ya
286 2011-04-17 02:57:00 <lfm> ;;bc,gen 650000
287 2011-04-17 02:57:01 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 650000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 7.9394109963 BTC per day and 0.330808791512 BTC per hour.
288 2011-04-17 02:57:10 <MagicalTux> mail suggestions/ideas/etc to info@mtgox.com :D
289 2011-04-17 02:57:31 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit instead of paying a stock broker $9 for a transaction pay at most .01 Xbtc
290 2011-04-17 02:58:21 <phantomcircuit> MagicalTux, you wouldn't happen to know the regulatory hurdles necessary to run a futures exchange would you?
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292 2011-04-17 02:58:33 <lfm> MagicalTux: I wonder if there is some way to automate short selling? (borrowing)
293 2011-04-17 02:58:55 <phantomcircuit> lfm, sure there is
294 2011-04-17 02:59:06 <lfm> on mtgox?
295 2011-04-17 02:59:12 <phantomcircuit> not currently
296 2011-04-17 02:59:24 <phantomcircuit> doing that would actually be fairly simple though
297 2011-04-17 02:59:34 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit when it's not detected and so small you can forget about regulations
298 2011-04-17 02:59:34 <phantomcircuit> the problem would be backing the borrowing
299 2011-04-17 02:59:42 PovAddict has joined
300 2011-04-17 02:59:46 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, no i really cant :|
301 2011-04-17 02:59:53 <PovAddict> ok, let's see how much I suck
302 2011-04-17 03:00:05 <PovAddict> ;;bc,gen 7720
303 2011-04-17 03:00:06 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 7720 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 0.0942957736791 BTC per day and 0.00392899056996 BTC per hour.
304 2011-04-17 03:00:23 <phantomcircuit> the problem with running an anonymous futures market is people reneging on contracts
305 2011-04-17 03:00:29 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: well I'll let people like you figure that out then
306 2011-04-17 03:00:51 <lfm> PovAddict: so you should be able to earn 9 bitcents per day in a pool or some thing
307 2011-04-17 03:00:55 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit you must not be familiar with the bitcoin-otc then
308 2011-04-17 03:01:17 <PovAddict> can't be bothered to join a pool...
309 2011-04-17 03:01:24 <phantomcircuit> bitcoin-otc is not anonymous
310 2011-04-17 03:01:25 <lfm> otc isnt automated tho
311 2011-04-17 03:01:40 <PovAddict> a GPU client might be worth looking at, though
312 2011-04-17 03:01:44 <kiba> pesudoanonymous...
313 2011-04-17 03:01:52 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: there you don't have a name but have prof you are an entity that people have worked with before and you build up a trust network with gpg signing
314 2011-04-17 03:02:21 <phantomcircuit> yeah
315 2011-04-17 03:02:29 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, except one problem
316 2011-04-17 03:02:35 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: it's not anonymous? I didn't see my name on there
317 2011-04-17 03:02:44 <phantomcircuit> bitcoin-otc is susceptible to the same attacks that ebay is
318 2011-04-17 03:02:56 <phantomcircuit> fake accounts + fake transactions + fake feedback
319 2011-04-17 03:03:00 <lfm> irc shows ip numbers
320 2011-04-17 03:03:09 <PovAddict> lfm: what's my IP?
321 2011-04-17 03:03:12 <phantomcircuit> lfm, dem proxies
322 2011-04-17 03:03:24 <phantomcircuit> lfm, also to use bitcoin-otc you need to have a host mask
323 2011-04-17 03:03:39 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: all contracts have risk so over time you can learn who to trust and who not to. in a small group it even get easier
324 2011-04-17 03:03:58 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, this is true
325 2011-04-17 03:04:01 <PovAddict> where can I get a GPU client?
326 2011-04-17 03:04:06 <phantomcircuit> but futures contracts are long term
327 2011-04-17 03:04:15 <phantomcircuit> someone trusted today might not be trusted in 6 months
328 2011-04-17 03:04:19 <PovAddict> I'm not planning on mining for profit, but my GPU is pretty idle right now, might as well...
329 2011-04-17 03:04:24 <phantomcircuit> PovAddict, google pocblm
330 2011-04-17 03:04:52 <lfm> PovAddict: can look in mining forum
331 2011-04-17 03:04:57 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: furtures contracts with time involved I never thought about much yet
332 2011-04-17 03:05:15 <PovAddict> I started my bitcoin client after several months of not doing so
333 2011-04-17 03:05:16 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, that's what im trying to build
334 2011-04-17 03:05:19 <PovAddict> took forever to sync to the network :P
335 2011-04-17 03:05:45 <phantomcircuit> the only solution i can think of would be transactions which cannot be redeemed for the time period of the futures contract
336 2011-04-17 03:05:46 <lfm> PovAddict: ya that happens
337 2011-04-17 03:05:47 <phantomcircuit> and that's dumb
338 2011-04-17 03:05:59 <phantomcircuit> who wants a futures contract if you cant spend the money now
339 2011-04-17 03:06:03 <PovAddict> and turned out the 200BTC I generated back in July 2010 are now worth a lot more o.o
340 2011-04-17 03:06:11 <PovAddict> like, way more than I expected
341 2011-04-17 03:06:33 <lfm> PovAddict: wtg
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343 2011-04-17 03:06:48 <PovAddict> now I regret not generating for a few more months last year :P
344 2011-04-17 03:07:22 <lfm> PovAddict: ya difficulty went up pretty fast from then
345 2011-04-17 03:08:47 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit you lost me a bit there, I'm not sure why if you sold the Xbtc for btc that you couldn't spend the money now
346 2011-04-17 03:09:09 eao has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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348 2011-04-17 03:09:50 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: in btc we also have the instrument of escrow
349 2011-04-17 03:10:13 <PovAddict> er, how on earth do I use poclbm? ._.
350 2011-04-17 03:11:08 <lfm> run bitcoin in -server mode or run bitcoind and install the opencl sdk. it should run then
351 2011-04-17 03:11:38 <PovAddict> I found a forum post from Oct 2010 that says "You will need bitcoin patched with this to enable RPC getwork()"
352 2011-04-17 03:11:45 <PovAddict> is that built into recent bitcoin clients already?
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354 2011-04-17 03:12:02 <lfm> PovAddict: thats old info, not needed now
355 2011-04-17 03:12:09 <PovAddict> cool
356 2011-04-17 03:12:15 kisom_dev is now known as Guest43570
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358 2011-04-17 03:13:09 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, what?
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360 2011-04-17 03:13:54 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit what don't you understand? escrow?
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363 2011-04-17 03:15:50 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, if the funds are in escrow you cant spend them
364 2011-04-17 03:16:55 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: that's only an option to use escrow you not forced to use them but if the party you are working with is not fully trusted yet then that's another option to use
365 2011-04-17 03:17:15 <Blitzboom> http://www.reddit.com/r/poker/comments/gro8s/so_i_had_this_idea/
366 2011-04-17 03:17:18 <Blitzboom> it has begun
367 2011-04-17 03:17:22 <PovAddict> got it working :)
368 2011-04-17 03:17:24 <Blitzboom> http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=26085793&postcount=7
369 2011-04-17 03:17:29 <Blitzboom> people catched the bait
370 2011-04-17 03:17:32 <PovAddict> ;;bc,gen 15660
371 2011-04-17 03:17:32 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 15660 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 0.191278732619 BTC per day and 0.00796994719244 BTC per hour.
372 2011-04-17 03:17:38 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, lol you're not understanding here
373 2011-04-17 03:17:40 <PovAddict> that's... better I guess
374 2011-04-17 03:17:42 <PovAddict> lol
375 2011-04-17 03:17:53 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: or maybe the contract can stipulate a percentage of the outstanding ballance be held in escrow
376 2011-04-17 03:18:22 <lfm> PovAddict: be careful of h/s , kh/s and mh/s
377 2011-04-17 03:18:26 <PovAddict> and my system is laggy as hell
378 2011-04-17 03:19:03 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, that % would surely be higher than any possible profits
379 2011-04-17 03:19:04 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: well I never traded futures but I know a bit about option contracts and they are similar
380 2011-04-17 03:19:51 <phantomcircuit> the difference being they're enforced almost entirely through the force of law
381 2011-04-17 03:20:05 <phantomcircuit> good luck getting the cops to enforce a bitcoins contract
382 2011-04-17 03:20:07 <PovAddict> lfm: 15622 khash/s
383 2011-04-17 03:20:11 <phantomcircuit> actually that would be interesting
384 2011-04-17 03:20:27 <lfm> ya contracts arnt very annonymous
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386 2011-04-17 03:20:48 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: well as we also know the law doesn't always help you eather with multi millions being scamed every year so you need to work on trust
387 2011-04-17 03:21:02 tenach has joined
388 2011-04-17 03:21:30 <lfm> and reputation
389 2011-04-17 03:21:31 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: and maybe your fist at times
390 2011-04-17 03:22:34 <phantomcircuit> lol
391 2011-04-17 03:22:39 <phantomcircuit> gonna smash my face in through irc?
392 2011-04-17 03:22:55 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: when you loose on contracts that fail then you just have to make back the loss by charging more to the next contract since the risk is higher
393 2011-04-17 03:23:35 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: I got my GPS satalite looking right at you man
394 2011-04-17 03:23:57 <phantomcircuit> gps satelites are just accurate time broadcasts
395 2011-04-17 03:24:01 <phantomcircuit> so
396 2011-04-17 03:24:04 <phantomcircuit> go ahead
397 2011-04-17 03:24:09 <phantomcircuit> broadcast that time at me
398 2011-04-17 03:24:16 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: I was just kiding
399 2011-04-17 03:24:59 <lfm> phantomcircuitdidnt you know the us army put spy telescops in the gps satellites? grin
400 2011-04-17 03:25:19 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: but in real business you can have auditors or personaly witness events on a contract difference is in this case we just don't have names
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402 2011-04-17 03:26:02 <phantomcircuit> lfm, why? they have their own satelites for that
403 2011-04-17 03:26:12 <PovAddict> ;;bc,gen 23140
404 2011-04-17 03:26:13 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 23140 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 0.282643031468 BTC per day and 0.0117767929778 BTC per hour.
405 2011-04-17 03:26:17 <MagicalTux> lfm: which get hacked teenage hackers to watch the girl next door taking a shower
406 2011-04-17 03:26:33 SykeP has joined
407 2011-04-17 03:26:55 <PovAddict> MagicalTux: mmm hawt
408 2011-04-17 03:27:51 <lfm> MagicalTux: yup, lotta teenage girls have outdoor showers you know
409 2011-04-17 03:28:13 <MagicalTux> lfm: you didn't know? american spy telescops can see inside buildings
410 2011-04-17 03:29:18 <lfm> oh ir cameras, I saw that on TV once!
411 2011-04-17 03:30:06 <PovAddict> just give them some hundred dollars^W bitcoins and they'll let you into their bathrooms
412 2011-04-17 03:30:29 <lfm> bitsluts!
413 2011-04-17 03:30:42 <PovAddict> is there any bitcoin-accepting porn site?
414 2011-04-17 03:30:49 <[Tycho]> Putting telescopes on gps satellites is pointless because the orbit is way too high :)
415 2011-04-17 03:30:57 <PovAddict> porn is what makes any tech catch on
416 2011-04-17 03:31:17 <PovAddict> porn is what made VHS win over Betamax
417 2011-04-17 03:31:23 <lfm> [Tycho]: gps sats are not that high
418 2011-04-17 03:31:45 <phantomcircuit> oh hey
419 2011-04-17 03:31:50 <phantomcircuit> sell porn over tor for bitcoins
420 2011-04-17 03:31:57 <phantomcircuit> brb rich
421 2011-04-17 03:32:22 <[Tycho]> ~20200 km IS that high.
422 2011-04-17 03:32:32 <noagendamarket> PovAddict theres a few porn sites
423 2011-04-17 03:32:42 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: should work
424 2011-04-17 03:32:45 <lfm> [Tycho]: gps is NOT in geosync orbits
425 2011-04-17 03:32:59 <[Tycho]> Geosync is ~35000 km.
426 2011-04-17 03:33:11 <[Tycho]> GPS is in MEO.
427 2011-04-17 03:33:12 <PovAddict> your mom is ~35000km
428 2011-04-17 03:33:33 <noagendamarket> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade down the bottom
429 2011-04-17 03:34:00 <lfm> [Tycho]: oh ok
430 2011-04-17 03:35:34 <lfm> ignore all that stuf i said then ... grin
431 2011-04-17 03:35:38 <phantomcircuit> ew
432 2011-04-17 03:35:41 <sacarlson> PovAddict: no she isn't she's 350lb
433 2011-04-17 03:35:41 <[Tycho]> :)
434 2011-04-17 03:35:41 <phantomcircuit> sexyfur.com
435 2011-04-17 03:35:43 <phantomcircuit> REALLY
436 2011-04-17 03:36:04 <PovAddict> phantomcircuit: furries? I know someone who would join bitcoin just for that
437 2011-04-17 03:36:10 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, i was more referring to massive copyright infringement
438 2011-04-17 03:36:38 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: on selling porn?
439 2011-04-17 03:36:51 <phantomcircuit> yes
440 2011-04-17 03:37:02 <phantomcircuit> porn studios will destroy you with copyright claims
441 2011-04-17 03:37:10 <phantomcircuit> they're easily the most aggressive
442 2011-04-17 03:37:18 <phantomcircuit> (haha get it?!?)
443 2011-04-17 03:37:38 <phantomcircuit> question though
444 2011-04-17 03:37:43 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: I'll sell you some real girls here in Thailand for btc
445 2011-04-17 03:37:51 <phantomcircuit> would anybody be interested in a checksigv2
446 2011-04-17 03:38:11 <phantomcircuit> where instead of applying crazy script rewriting we simple sign output hash + output index
447 2011-04-17 03:39:33 <lulzplzkthx> hey...
448 2011-04-17 03:39:53 <lulzplzkthx> i'm trying to create a simple test php webapp with bitcoin-php, and it's timing out (i think) on $bc->get_info();
449 2011-04-17 03:39:57 <lulzplzkthx> What would that mean? o.o
450 2011-04-17 03:40:38 <PovAddict> sacarlson: price?
451 2011-04-17 03:40:44 <lfm> sometime getinfo stalss, not sure why
452 2011-04-17 03:40:45 <noagendamarket> sacarlson will they clean my house ?
453 2011-04-17 03:40:54 <lfm> stalls
454 2011-04-17 03:41:00 <noagendamarket> :x
455 2011-04-17 03:41:18 <lulzplzkthx> lfm: it's not a one or two time thing, it's every single time.
456 2011-04-17 03:41:29 <lulzplzkthx> I have a quick if() { } else { } on it, and neither one is outputting.
457 2011-04-17 03:41:53 <lfm> dunno then
458 2011-04-17 03:41:59 <lulzplzkthx> Interesting.
459 2011-04-17 03:42:14 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: are you giving password?
460 2011-04-17 03:42:19 <lulzplzkthx> yes.
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462 2011-04-17 03:42:23 <lulzplzkthx> hold on.
463 2011-04-17 03:43:02 <lulzplzkthx> http://pastebin.com/7XaAcxri <-- it's very simple. i'm not 100% sure that's the password i gave it, but i'm trying to use can_connect() to a) make sure it is, and b) make sure the server is running.
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465 2011-04-17 03:43:15 <lulzplzkthx> Which sounds like exactly what can_connect() should do.
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467 2011-04-17 03:43:31 <lulzplzkthx> Ah, okay, now it's outputting the true statement, but it takes a very long time.
468 2011-04-17 03:43:35 <lulzplzkthx> A *very* long time.
469 2011-04-17 03:43:36 <phantomcircuit> lulzplzkthx, password is in ~/.bitcoin/bitcoin.conf
470 2011-04-17 03:43:57 <lfm> compare password to ~/.bitcoin/bitcoin.config
471 2011-04-17 03:44:01 <lulzplzkthx> on Windows?
472 2011-04-17 03:44:08 <lfm> oh, no
473 2011-04-17 03:44:11 <lulzplzkthx> I ran it with a CLI option.
474 2011-04-17 03:44:26 <phantomcircuit> open the taskmgr and look at the command line
475 2011-04-17 03:44:31 <lulzplzkthx> C:\Users\John>"C:\Program Files (x86)\Bitcoin\bitcoin.exe" -rpcuser=root -rpcpas
476 2011-04-17 03:44:35 <phantomcircuit> ps that's why you dont supply passwords on the command line
477 2011-04-17 03:44:36 <phantomcircuit> :P
478 2011-04-17 03:44:39 <lulzplzkthx> swordd=test
479 2011-04-17 03:44:41 <lfm> you need bitcoin.config password tho
480 2011-04-17 03:44:58 <lulzplzkthx> But my point is that regardless, I feel can_connect() should be in place for error checking, and check password + connectivity
481 2011-04-17 03:45:04 <lfm> oh real secure~grinm
482 2011-04-17 03:45:15 <lulzplzkthx> bitcoin.config should go in the (x86)\Bitcoin folder?
483 2011-04-17 03:45:23 <lulzplzkthx> lfm: yes, it's clearly a production environment as you can tell. ;)
484 2011-04-17 03:45:49 <phantomcircuit> hmm i see why the full transaction is hashed
485 2011-04-17 03:45:53 <phantomcircuit> interesting
486 2011-04-17 03:48:03 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: if you want security you can encrypt the wallet.dat file and open it when needed
487 2011-04-17 03:48:30 <PovAddict> store wallet.dat in a pendrive
488 2011-04-17 03:48:36 <PovAddict> store pendrive in some body cavity
489 2011-04-17 03:48:40 <PovAddict> done
490 2011-04-17 03:48:45 <lfm> eeewww!
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492 2011-04-17 03:49:46 <lulzplzkthx> lfm: according to time()-time(), the can_connect() if's took 60 seconds.
493 2011-04-17 03:50:00 <PovAddict> hmmm
494 2011-04-17 03:50:06 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, are you for real?
495 2011-04-17 03:50:06 <lulzplzkthx> Seem a little long to you?
496 2011-04-17 03:50:07 <PovAddict> this GPU mining will be useful
497 2011-04-17 03:50:10 <PovAddict> it's getting cold in here
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499 2011-04-17 03:50:16 <lfm> ya should be quicker than that I think
500 2011-04-17 03:50:21 <phantomcircuit> that's not even remotely related to what im talking about
501 2011-04-17 03:50:27 <lulzplzkthx> I might try bitcoind, instead of bitcoin?
502 2011-04-17 03:50:30 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: please be more specific on your questions
503 2011-04-17 03:50:42 <phantomcircuit> i was specific
504 2011-04-17 03:50:46 <phantomcircuit> you simply dont understand
505 2011-04-17 03:51:17 <phantomcircuit> sacarlson, https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/OP_CHECKSIG
506 2011-04-17 03:51:32 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: for bitcoin gui you need -sever
507 2011-04-17 03:51:36 <lfm> -server
508 2011-04-17 03:51:44 <lulzplzkthx> ah.
509 2011-04-17 03:51:47 <lulzplzkthx> that would make sense.
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511 2011-04-17 03:52:01 <lulzplzkthx> interesting then that it worked at all?\
512 2011-04-17 03:56:15 <lulzplzkthx> With -server, and even bitcoind, I'm running into the same slow speeds, no output, etc.
513 2011-04-17 03:56:21 <lulzplzkthx> This is a little ridiculous.
514 2011-04-17 03:56:26 <lulzplzkthx> I'll try in Arch, brb.
515 2011-04-17 03:57:49 <sacarlson> phantomcircuit: that's a good page I never read it. it explains it quite whell
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518 2011-04-17 03:59:54 <sacarlson> ok so my problem is that my new network isn't comeing up with connections. I only have two system in the network. I see them both in the IRC network that I provided for them but neather seems to recognize the other. what value can I look at to find out why?
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520 2011-04-17 04:02:13 <justmoon> when I close and restart bitcoin, does it remember unconfirmed transactions?
521 2011-04-17 04:02:46 <lulzplzkthx> yes.
522 2011-04-17 04:03:09 <justmoon> how does that work? are they written to disk?
523 2011-04-17 04:03:18 <luke-jr> sacarlson: received nothing :o
524 2011-04-17 04:03:32 * PovAddict spots luke-jr :o
525 2011-04-17 04:03:34 <luke-jr> justmoon: no
526 2011-04-17 04:03:38 <sacarlson> luke-jr I showed 4 confirms last I checked
527 2011-04-17 04:03:40 <justmoon> I feel like "memory pool" is a bit of a misleading term in that case
528 2011-04-17 04:03:55 <sacarlson> luke-jr are you running post 3.20 version?
529 2011-04-17 04:04:01 <justmoon> luke-jr: ah ok, that's what I thought
530 2011-04-17 04:04:05 <justmoon> luke-jr: thanks
531 2011-04-17 04:04:17 <luke-jr> sacarlson: no, as there is no 3.20 version and probably won't be for yearsâ¦
532 2011-04-17 04:04:33 <luke-jr> justmoon: O.o
533 2011-04-17 04:04:52 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: what did you tell him now?
534 2011-04-17 04:05:02 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: that no, they aren't written to disk
535 2011-04-17 04:05:06 <sacarlson> luke-jr oh no I forgot I used the older version
536 2011-04-17 04:05:07 <lulzplzkthx> okay.
537 2011-04-17 04:05:32 <justmoon> but that means it doesn't remember them unless they get sent again, right?
538 2011-04-17 04:05:51 <luke-jr> justmoon: the network is always resending unconfirmed tx
539 2011-04-17 04:05:59 <justmoon> ok perfect
540 2011-04-17 04:06:09 <luke-jr> justmoon: there are some changes planned in that area
541 2011-04-17 04:06:10 <sacarlson> luke-jr: sorry I didn't wake up yet when I sent that and it was sent with the x.x.19 version before the reset
542 2011-04-17 04:06:17 <luke-jr> to make them expire, then the originator just has to rebroadcast
543 2011-04-17 04:06:19 <justmoon> reason I asked was because I was trying to decide whether I need to persist unconfirmed txs in my client
544 2011-04-17 04:06:27 <luke-jr> justmoon: only ones you send
545 2011-04-17 04:06:38 <justmoon> ok, cool!
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548 2011-04-17 04:07:25 <sacarlson> luke-jr strange thing is it still took money out of the wallet so is that wallet now hosed?
549 2011-04-17 04:07:42 <luke-jr> sacarlson: a .19 testnet wallet is hosed period
550 2011-04-17 04:08:30 <sacarlson> luke-jr well let me try to send with the newer version and see if my wallet still works
551 2011-04-17 04:09:25 <sacarlson> luke-jr it shows 19 confirmations
552 2011-04-17 04:11:08 <sacarlson> luke-jr can you give me that address again
553 2011-04-17 04:11:27 <luke-jr> mxwBdraSJzdRLA3novDCrsRrYdawtQLZo9
554 2011-04-17 04:15:22 <sacarlson> luke-jr this time I sent 2.1 tbtc with return of 74ff4ab5646ebb546af0e02cbd454563f2c0f637b556817ee008eb90e8613350
555 2011-04-17 04:15:59 <sacarlson> luke-jr I see on my console alot of orphan block activity
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558 2011-04-17 04:24:19 <sacarlson> I guess if I want to run two bitcoind at the same time I will also have to change the port they operate on. the code seems to make it difficult to change that with the ports hardcoded into the header file
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560 2011-04-17 04:25:06 <tcatm> sacarlson: run one with -nolisten and -addnode=127.0.0.1
561 2011-04-17 04:26:03 <sacarlson> tcatm: ok but they are both testnet just different irc, is that all I need?
562 2011-04-17 04:26:30 <tcatm> different irc?
563 2011-04-17 04:26:54 <sacarlson> tcatm: yes different address of irc for bootstrap
564 2011-04-17 04:27:13 <tcatm> -addnode has nothing to do with irc
565 2011-04-17 04:27:24 <tcatm> actually you should run the 2nd bitcoind with -noirc
566 2011-04-17 04:27:57 <sacarlson> tcatm: ok that might be a start
567 2011-04-17 04:29:06 <sacarlson> tcatm: one is runing in a virtualbox and the other is on the host of the same system and now that host is also running the original testnet
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569 2011-04-17 04:29:36 <lfm> if it is different vm then you could run the same ports
570 2011-04-17 04:29:54 <PovAddict> depends how the VM network is configured
571 2011-04-17 04:30:11 <sacarlson> PovAddict: the vm network is setup as bridged
572 2011-04-17 04:30:23 <PovAddict> then yea, they each have different LAN IPs
573 2011-04-17 04:30:34 <sacarlson> PovAddict: yes they do
574 2011-04-17 04:30:36 <nanotube> justmoon: tx that are received to your address are written do disk - to your wallet.
575 2011-04-17 04:30:53 <lulzplzkthx> So.
576 2011-04-17 04:30:56 <PovAddict> I thought the wallet only contained a key?
577 2011-04-17 04:31:05 <lulzplzkthx> The bitcoin-php works much better under Arch.
578 2011-04-17 04:31:23 <nanotube> PovAddict: well, it contains keys, but also contains a db of your tx. (just so the software doesn't have to rescan the block chain every time it starts)
579 2011-04-17 04:32:04 <PovAddict> ah so it's just caching really
580 2011-04-17 04:32:23 <lulzplzkthx> What is frustrating to me though, is that the Bitcoin client is extremely buggy under Arch for me.
581 2011-04-17 04:32:25 <nanotube> yes
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583 2011-04-17 04:32:38 <nanotube> lulzplzkthx: how so?
584 2011-04-17 04:32:46 <CIA-89> bitcoin: various combo * r0541ca..8bb5ed bitcoind-personal/ (35 files in 8 dirs): (27 commits) http://tinyurl.com/3go73zb
585 2011-04-17 04:33:06 <lulzplzkthx> Actually, I said it was better under Arch, but it's saying it can connect even when bitcoi isn't running.
586 2011-04-17 04:33:18 <lulzplzkthx> and nanotube: clicking anything does not open anything (address book, send coins, help > about,)
587 2011-04-17 04:33:23 <lulzplzkthx> The icon in the tray is missing.
588 2011-04-17 04:33:37 <PovAddict> I have *never* seen the tray icon work properly
589 2011-04-17 04:33:41 <PovAddict> it's like the icon is transparent
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591 2011-04-17 04:33:53 <lulzplzkthx> And it does not appear to be listening to my bitcoin.conf which told it to look for datadir on /media/windows/users/john/AppData/Roaming/Bitcoin/
592 2011-04-17 04:34:02 <lulzplzkthx> PovAddict: yeah, and i can deal with that... but not with not being able to use the client.
593 2011-04-17 04:34:06 <lfm> PovAddict: wait, it can take a few minutes
594 2011-04-17 04:34:09 <lulzplzkthx> none of the buttons or options provide functionality.
595 2011-04-17 04:34:19 <lulzplzkthx> lfm: no, even when bitcoin opens, it's still transparent.
596 2011-04-17 04:34:31 <lulzplzkthx> or missing.
597 2011-04-17 04:34:33 <nanotube> lulzplzkthx: mmm could be some wx problems... try the cli client instead?
598 2011-04-17 04:34:51 <PovAddict> bai
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600 2011-04-17 04:35:23 <lulzplzkthx> I'm confident that will work nanotube, but I'm also having issues with bitcoin-php, which matter more to me right now.
601 2011-04-17 04:35:30 <lulzplzkthx> But thanks for the wx suggestion, I'm pacman'ing it now.
602 2011-04-17 04:35:38 <nanotube> what's bitcoin-php?
603 2011-04-17 04:35:45 <lulzplzkthx> PHP API for Bitcoin.
604 2011-04-17 04:35:59 <lulzplzkthx> You can find it on github.
605 2011-04-17 04:36:06 <nanotube> ah
606 2011-04-17 04:36:41 <lulzplzkthx> On Windows i takes either 60 seconds to "connect" to the server, or the script times out. On Linux it always connects within milliseconds. Even when the server isn't running.
607 2011-04-17 04:38:33 <sacarlson> luke-jr ok I got 1 confirmation now on my last deposit to you with my hopfully working version of bitcoind, see anything now?
608 2011-04-17 04:38:43 <luke-jr> (or you can find anything bitcoin-related on http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin )
609 2011-04-17 04:38:48 <luke-jr> sacarlson: nope
610 2011-04-17 04:39:03 <sacarlson> luke-jr wow did I break it?
611 2011-04-17 04:39:12 <luke-jr> sacarlson: probably
612 2011-04-17 04:39:36 <lulzplzkthx> How do I run the CLI bitcoin client?
613 2011-04-17 04:40:14 <sacarlson> luke-jr I'll try to send to my virtualbox system and see if it's broken there also
614 2011-04-17 04:40:30 <justmoon> nanotube: just saw your msg - interesting, thx!
615 2011-04-17 04:40:49 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: there is no CLI bitcoin client really, just a test tool
616 2011-04-17 04:41:26 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: if you mean bitcoind, you just run 'bitcoind'
617 2011-04-17 04:42:54 <lulzplzkthx> No. I mean whatever nanotube hinted at.
618 2011-04-17 04:42:58 <lulzplzkthx> :\
619 2011-04-17 04:43:16 <lulzplzkthx> I'm getting fed up with bitcoin-php. Has anybody here done PHP bitcoin dev? Either with bitcoin-php or not?
620 2011-04-17 04:43:30 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: what's the problem?
621 2011-04-17 04:43:35 <lulzplzkthx> And lfm: I'm stuck waiting at least 5-10 minutes for the client to open up, and then it's unusable when it does. Very frustrating.
622 2011-04-17 04:43:47 <luke-jr> I think nanotube meant the test tool :P
623 2011-04-17 04:43:50 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: ode/#bitcoin-dev+cnt)-(Act: 5)-(239 ni(=)
624 2011-04-17 04:43:51 <lulzplzkthx> (#bitcoin-dev)-( luke-jr:
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626 2011-04-17 04:43:56 <lulzplzkthx> Woops.
627 2011-04-17 04:44:02 <lulzplzkthx> Scroll up to where I say "On Windows..."
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629 2011-04-17 04:44:24 <luke-jr> and both bitcoin-php and that require a running bitcoind
630 2011-04-17 04:44:26 <luke-jr> Windows? who uses Windows?
631 2011-04-17 04:44:27 <luke-jr> much less for a server
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633 2011-04-17 04:44:35 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: Nobody. I was using it to test.
634 2011-04-17 04:44:43 <luke-jr> O.o
635 2011-04-17 04:44:44 <lulzplzkthx> I dual-boot, and was in Windows.
636 2011-04-17 04:44:53 <lulzplzkthx> I often test code on windows as my ClickPad doesn't like Linux.
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638 2011-04-17 04:44:59 <lulzplzkthx> However, as you saw, i still have issues in Linux.
639 2011-04-17 04:45:15 <lulzplzkthx> I feel like can-connect() should NOT return true if it's not running...
640 2011-04-17 04:45:24 <da2ce7> ;;bc,stats
641 2011-04-17 04:45:26 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118754 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 189 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 3 hours, 27 minutes, and 27 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92019.14899087
642 2011-04-17 04:45:47 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: did you read the wiki page on JSON-RPC?
643 2011-04-17 04:46:39 <lulzplzkthx> No, luke-jr. However bitcoin-php should be abstracting that for me. Maybe I don't understand the use, but "can_connect()" sounds like a pretty straightforward function.
644 2011-04-17 04:47:33 <luke-jr> it's not.
645 2011-04-17 04:47:55 <lulzplzkthx> I see.
646 2011-04-17 04:48:11 <lulzplzkthx> I will probably just use JSOn-RPC instead of the bitcoin-php library then.
647 2011-04-17 04:48:21 <lulzplzkthx> I have a few other issues with the library.
648 2011-04-17 04:48:31 <luke-jr> bitcoin-php just has a thin wrap around JSON-RPC from what I see
649 2011-04-17 04:49:00 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: also be sure to read https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Proper_Money_Handling_(JSON-RPC)
650 2011-04-17 04:49:09 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: just opened that in a background tab.
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652 2011-04-17 04:51:09 <nanotube> luke-jr: wtf, bitcoind /is/ a cli client. seems you have come up with a new terminology recently? ;)
653 2011-04-17 04:51:30 <luke-jr> nanotube: CLI implies a human interface
654 2011-04-17 04:51:46 <luke-jr> not a quick "convert to RPC and pretty-print raw JSON"
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656 2011-04-17 04:52:14 <nanotube> luke-jr: whatever, i'm not going to get into this discussion, and continue to call it the cli client.
657 2011-04-17 04:52:44 <nanotube> it's in ascii, therefore suitable for human consumption.
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659 2011-04-17 05:01:12 <lfm> luke-jr I use the cli to do stuff with bitcoind all the time. its not difficult to understand for this human
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661 2011-04-17 05:01:40 <luke-jr> not worth arguing over
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663 2011-04-17 05:01:57 <lfm> so admit you're wrong?
664 2011-04-17 05:02:35 <nanotube> lfm: don't be like this guy. http://xkcd.com/386/ let it go.
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666 2011-04-17 05:03:56 <lfm> its not bedtime for me yet
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671 2011-04-17 05:23:14 <llama> whats the best way to import/export private keys?
672 2011-04-17 05:24:53 <lulzplzkthx> Is there a way to create an address with JSON0RPC?
673 2011-04-17 05:25:17 <lulzplzkthx> Sorry, found it.
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675 2011-04-17 05:34:27 <lfm> llama: not really any official way
676 2011-04-17 05:37:49 <llama> thanks, I've seen about 10 half-baked solutions and 0 baked solutions...
677 2011-04-17 05:38:14 <lfm> llama: generally you just send the btc where you want em
678 2011-04-17 05:38:25 <llama> haha i realize that
679 2011-04-17 05:38:28 <sacarlson> ok now my original git build is no longer making any connection on -testnet in my virtualbox, I tried -noirc and deleted the wallet.dat file with no help
680 2011-04-17 05:38:58 <lulzplzkthx> Is there any kind of rules for addresses? Besides checking alphanumeric, how can I verify a valid address?
681 2011-04-17 05:39:02 <sacarlson> oh and it now also fails to connect on bitcoin net also
682 2011-04-17 05:39:38 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: ya, there is a checksum embedded
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685 2011-04-17 05:40:13 <lulzplzkthx> Oh, validateaddress, thanks.
686 2011-04-17 05:46:22 <lulzplzkthx> Hmm...
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688 2011-04-17 05:47:00 <lulzplzkthx> So I have setup a script which validates an address, and then creates an account called "Incoming from [address]" and outputs the new address. However maybe 1 or 2 out of 5 times, it throws a fatal exception that it can't connect to the server.
689 2011-04-17 05:47:05 <lulzplzkthx> Any ideas why?
690 2011-04-17 05:50:34 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: which call?
691 2011-04-17 05:52:56 <lulzplzkthx> getnewaddress
692 2011-04-17 05:53:05 <lulzplzkthx> However, I think I'ma bout to switch that for getaccountaddres
693 2011-04-17 05:53:24 <lulzplzkthx> getnewaddress wilreturn a new address even if there is alreayd an account by that name and will NOT overwrite that account. Thus you're left with a useless address outputted.
694 2011-04-17 05:53:37 <lulzplzkthx> getaccountaddress however does the opposite. It returns if one already exists, generates if not.
695 2011-04-17 05:54:23 <lulzplzkthx> getaccountaddress has the same issue though.
696 2011-04-17 05:54:38 <lulzplzkthx> Sorry, validateaddress is the call.
697 2011-04-17 05:54:52 <lulzplzkthx> Never mind, both of them.
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699 2011-04-17 05:56:16 <lulzplzkthx> And here's another person with the bug, and I was just about to what they listed as a solution: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1408.0
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703 2011-04-17 05:57:22 <robblesz> lulzplzkthx: I have the same problem, but not with just getnewaddress. All JSON-RPC calls fail randomly
704 2011-04-17 05:58:36 <lfm> try production version of bitcoin 0.3.20
705 2011-04-17 05:58:52 <lulzplzkthx> Yeah, exactly robblesz.
706 2011-04-17 05:58:57 <robblesz> I am using the 64-bit 0.3.20 client in debian
707 2011-04-17 05:58:58 <lulzplzkthx> lfm: I think that's what I'm using...
708 2011-04-17 05:59:21 <lfm> ok try git version?
709 2011-04-17 05:59:33 <robblesz> also, same problem in Fedora 64-bit. And with the bitcoind.exe in Windows XP
710 2011-04-17 05:59:56 <lulzplzkthx> I'm on Windows 7 64-bit, and bitcoind.exe itself has had no problems.
711 2011-04-17 05:59:58 <robblesz> lfm: I tried to build git, but I failed
712 2011-04-17 06:00:53 <robblesz> I wish I could find instructions for building a static bitcoind
713 2011-04-17 06:01:16 <lfm> file build-unix.txt
714 2011-04-17 06:01:29 <robblesz> That wasn't enough for me, unfortunately
715 2011-04-17 06:02:35 <robblesz> After heavily massaging the makefile I ended up with a big 34MB binary that wouldn't start
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728 2011-04-17 06:15:46 <robblesz> I can always tell when a JSON-RPC call is going to fail when the debug log is outputting a certain pattern
729 2011-04-17 06:24:50 <ArtForz> eh?
730 2011-04-17 06:32:05 <robblesz> I've noticed that when the debug log is filling up with something like http://pastebin.com/Xd0SMtKS , JSON-RPC/cli commands will fail all of the time
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732 2011-04-17 06:33:28 <ArtForz> running release or nightly build ?
733 2011-04-17 06:33:43 <robblesz> release, where can I get a nightly build?
734 2011-04-17 06:34:44 <ArtForz> hmm... I couldv'e sworn there was a post in dev forum with nightlies
735 2011-04-17 06:34:53 * robblesz looks
736 2011-04-17 06:35:06 * ArtForz also looks
737 2011-04-17 06:35:49 <tcatm> http://bitcoin.bluematt.me/bitcoin-nightly/
738 2011-04-17 06:36:42 <ArtForz> cool
739 2011-04-17 06:37:02 <ArtForz> as there are known deadlocks in RPC interface in sendfrom and some of the account functions, fixed in git
740 2011-04-17 06:37:10 <lfm> robblesz: those are block chain download messages. you should make sure your node is up to date with the block chain before you start other functions
741 2011-04-17 06:37:25 <ArtForz> yeah
742 2011-04-17 06:37:42 <ArtForz> hitting one of those 2 pretty much locks up anything wallet related
743 2011-04-17 06:38:02 <robblesz> lfm: yeah, I know. It also crashes after it's got a up-to-date blockchain, but I haven't found any correlation with the debug.log in that case
744 2011-04-17 06:38:10 <ArtForz> wtf, weird
745 2011-04-17 06:38:35 <robblesz> This pattern of a bitcoind instance downloading the blockchain does not exhibit any problems: http://pastebin.com/FRqtKu1E
746 2011-04-17 06:39:19 <ArtForz> yep, looks perfectly fine for a log of a run with -debug
747 2011-04-17 06:39:28 <robblesz> it's only when I see lots of consecutive SetBestChain lines
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750 2011-04-17 06:42:32 <ArtForz> hummm
751 2011-04-17 06:43:25 <robblesz> tcatm: do you happen to know who is the person behind bitcoin.bluematt.me ?
752 2011-04-17 06:43:39 <tcatm> robblesz: BlueMatt
753 2011-04-17 06:43:41 <ArtForz> bluematt would be a good guess
754 2011-04-17 06:43:46 <robblesz> ah, duh
755 2011-04-17 06:43:49 <robblesz> thanks
756 2011-04-17 06:50:59 <sacarlson> I'm not sure what I did but now I get connections on my virtualbox on real bitcoin net after rebooting it ubuntu 10.10 git build, I made sure my host box wasn't running when I started
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762 2011-04-17 07:00:45 <necrodearia> more development and discussion needed in #bitcoin-ads
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769 2011-04-17 07:37:16 <jaromil> tcatm: any documentation for what those builds are?
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774 2011-04-17 07:44:41 <sacarlson> what could cause my virtualbox from not connecting on -testnet? it seems to connect on normal bitcoin. It gets as far as trying connection gives me last seen= -1.4hrs
775 2011-04-17 07:46:54 <sacarlson> maybe if I manualy add a node?
776 2011-04-17 07:55:19 <sacarlson> I just noted that my virtualbox and my host end up with the same address on IRC even after I reset (delete) the ./bitcoin directory, why is that?
777 2011-04-17 07:56:28 <lulzplzkthx> When does bitcoind consider funds added to the balance?
778 2011-04-17 07:56:40 <lulzplzkthx> After 1 confirm, 0 confirms, 6 confirms?
779 2011-04-17 07:57:05 <sacarlson> lulzplzkthx: yes seems after 6 confirms you can spend it
780 2011-04-17 07:57:05 <ArtForz> for gui, 1 confirm
781 2011-04-17 07:57:33 <lulzplzkthx> 1 or 6 o.o
782 2011-04-17 07:57:34 <sacarlson> ArtForz: 1 confirm?
783 2011-04-17 07:57:38 <ArtForz> yea
784 2011-04-17 07:57:42 <ArtForz> 1
785 2011-04-17 07:57:42 <lulzplzkthx> kk
786 2011-04-17 07:57:45 <lulzplzkthx> thanks
787 2011-04-17 07:57:51 <ArtForz> it still shows as unconfirmed, but it's added to balance and spendable
788 2011-04-17 07:58:07 <lulzplzkthx> okay.
789 2011-04-17 07:58:28 <sacarlson> lulzplzkthx: is that on testnet?
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792 2011-04-17 08:01:03 <lulzplzkthx> sacarlson: is what on testnet?
793 2011-04-17 08:01:23 <sacarlson> lulzplzkthx: that you need to only wait for 1 confirm
794 2011-04-17 08:01:44 <sacarlson> lulzplzkthx: I'm not sure if they are the same or differnet
795 2011-04-17 08:02:01 <ArtForz> same on main and test, 1 conf
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798 2011-04-17 08:03:18 <ArtForz> only difference between mainnet and testnet is that testnet has a different block chain with lower difficulty
799 2011-04-17 08:03:28 <lulzplzkthx> yeah, json-rpc is 1 conf by defalt
800 2011-04-17 08:04:25 <ArtForz> well, and different ports and the magic value for serialized binary data changed to make sure they never interact
801 2011-04-17 08:05:04 <ArtForz> wouldnt be much of a testnet if it worked significantly different from main ;)
802 2011-04-17 08:05:43 <lulzplzkthx> I've just about made a one page very simple lottery in PHP.
803 2011-04-17 08:06:07 <lulzplzkthx> nice, pretty, mysqli, prepared statemens, commented, :)
804 2011-04-17 08:08:26 <sacarlson> lulzplzkthx: what's the smalist ticket? .01 btc work?
805 2011-04-17 08:08:34 <lulzplzkthx> not sure yet sacarlson
806 2011-04-17 08:08:39 <lulzplzkthx> tbh, I probably won't even be able to do it.
807 2011-04-17 08:08:50 <lulzplzkthx> A) I don't even have sufficient funds to test it.
808 2011-04-17 08:08:54 <lulzplzkthx> B) I'm not sure I'll be able to find hosting.
809 2011-04-17 08:09:24 <sacarlson> lulzplzkthx: why would hosting be a problem? cause it's gambling?
810 2011-04-17 08:09:29 <lulzplzkthx> Indeed.
811 2011-04-17 08:09:52 <lulzplzkthx> I have a private shell / hosting some friends gave me, but I'd rather not have them liable for my "gambling with BTC"
812 2011-04-17 08:10:46 <sacarlson> I just host my own over my adsl then I guess you risk loosing your isp connection
813 2011-04-17 08:11:19 <lulzplzkthx> Yes, and considering I am 15 years old, I'd rather not do that to my parents...
814 2011-04-17 08:11:33 <sacarlson> lulzplzkthx: wow good point
815 2011-04-17 08:11:37 <lulzplzkthx> ;)
816 2011-04-17 08:13:53 <lulzplzkthx> I might sell the script for some BTC. :\
817 2011-04-17 08:13:58 <lulzplzkthx> If someone will buy it.
818 2011-04-17 08:14:53 <sacarlson> I assume I can use this addnode=<ip> in the bitcoin.conf file instead of on the command line
819 2011-04-17 08:15:12 <lulzplzkthx> I think any command-line options work in bitcoin.conf, yes.
820 2011-04-17 08:15:46 <sacarlson> well hope this works
821 2011-04-17 08:16:41 <ArtForz> yep
822 2011-04-17 08:21:52 <sacarlson> wow the addnode at least got them talking to each other but now fails to connect to the rest of the network on -testnet
823 2011-04-17 08:22:26 <sacarlson> oh lets try that noirc thing
824 2011-04-17 08:24:43 <ArtForz> try -addnode=99.27.237.13
825 2011-04-17 08:26:20 <ArtForz> btw, sounds like IRC bootstrapping fails for you
826 2011-04-17 08:28:04 <lulzplzkthx> Anyone want to lend me like 1-2 BTC, so I can test my app? Lol
827 2011-04-17 08:28:40 <lulzplzkthx> I'm sitting here with .06 BTC, and the way I designed it requires 1 BTC. I'll send it right back after I do a bit of testing.
828 2011-04-17 08:28:44 <lulzplzkthx> ~15 mins, tops.
829 2011-04-17 08:29:20 <ArtForz> too bad the testnet faucet is also down, otherwise testing on testnet would be pretty damn easy
830 2011-04-17 08:29:36 <lulzplzkthx> THere's a testnet faucet too?
831 2011-04-17 08:29:39 <lulzplzkthx> Why would that one be down? :S
832 2011-04-17 08:29:39 <ArtForz> yea
833 2011-04-17 08:29:55 <lulzplzkthx> Like why could whoever cheated the first one want to cheat the testnet oen?
834 2011-04-17 08:30:01 <ArtForz> nah
835 2011-04-17 08:30:10 <ArtForz> probably just by mistake when disabling the normal faucet
836 2011-04-17 08:30:21 <ArtForz> testnet faucet iirc gives out 5 (or 50?) btc a pop
837 2011-04-17 08:30:26 <TD_> lulzplzkthx: you need coins on test or prod?
838 2011-04-17 08:30:29 TD_ is now known as TD[home]
839 2011-04-17 08:30:41 <TD[home]> last time i tried testnet confirms took absolutely ages
840 2011-04-17 08:30:48 <ArtForz> depends
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844 2011-04-17 08:30:57 <lulzplzkthx> TD[home]: either
845 2011-04-17 08:31:15 <TD[home]> lulzplzkthx: give me an address on prod, i'll send you a couple of coins
846 2011-04-17 08:31:18 <lulzplzkthx> There's no real difference on my webapp side, so yeah.
847 2011-04-17 08:31:27 <lfm> TD[home]: did you have a miner running?
848 2011-04-17 08:31:51 <ArtForz> when someone throws a $100 gpu on testnet, blocks do come pretty quickly ;)
849 2011-04-17 08:31:53 <TD[home]> no. with the current difficulty on testnet a cpu miner still takes ages. i fiddled with gpu mining a bit but my workstation has an nvidia card
850 2011-04-17 08:32:24 <ArtForz> ;;bc,calcd 80000 8.55
851 2011-04-17 08:32:24 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 80000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 8.55, is 7 minutes and 39 seconds
852 2011-04-17 08:33:17 <TD[home]> at some point i'll get it set up with the right drivers and software.
853 2011-04-17 08:34:24 <lulzplzkthx> Can you run bitcoin.exe with a -server switch?
854 2011-04-17 08:34:34 <ArtForz> yes
855 2011-04-17 08:34:37 <JFK911> do it
856 2011-04-17 08:34:52 <lulzplzkthx> >_> that would've made things easier for me the last 4 hours.
857 2011-04-17 08:34:55 <lulzplzkthx> just a little.
858 2011-04-17 08:35:03 <retinal> guise, guise
859 2011-04-17 08:35:06 <retinal> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Myths#Bitcoin_community_are_anarchist/conspiracy_theorist/gold_standard_weenies
860 2011-04-17 08:35:07 <JFK911> and YOU were questioning MY insurance ideas
861 2011-04-17 08:35:16 <lulzplzkthx> JFK911: :)
862 2011-04-17 08:35:25 <TD[home]> lulzplzkthx: sent
863 2011-04-17 08:35:36 <lulzplzkthx> Thank you TD[home]. I appreciate it.
864 2011-04-17 08:35:42 <TD[home]> np
865 2011-04-17 08:36:41 <lulzplzkthx> God, I really need a way to delete my items inmy address book. I created at least 20-30 trash addresses tonight.
866 2011-04-17 08:37:50 <sacarlson> ok I now see connection on both after putting another version of my custom build on my virtualbox it seems to work so I guess that vesion was broken?
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868 2011-04-17 08:39:34 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: maybe just a way to hide addresses
869 2011-04-17 08:43:56 <lulzplzkthx> lfm: That would be nice too.
870 2011-04-17 08:44:00 <lulzplzkthx> is wallet.dat a sqlite file or?
871 2011-04-17 08:44:49 <ArtForz> bdb
872 2011-04-17 08:44:53 <lfm> berkley db
873 2011-04-17 08:46:02 <lulzplzkthx> i see.
874 2011-04-17 08:46:24 <lulzplzkthx> Hey you guys wanna hurry up and find a block for me? ;D
875 2011-04-17 08:46:35 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,calcd 583000 17.09735567
876 2011-04-17 08:46:35 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 583000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 17.09735567, is 2 minutes and 5 seconds
877 2011-04-17 08:46:55 <midnightmagic> how about i find a whole bunch of blocks in testnet for a little while!!
878 2011-04-17 08:47:03 <lulzplzkthx> midnightmagic: x.x
879 2011-04-17 08:50:25 <midnightmagic> on avg.. let's see... every few seconds!
880 2011-04-17 08:51:13 <ArtForz> actual testnet diff is half that
881 2011-04-17 08:51:25 <ArtForz> testnet 1.0 diff = main net 0.5 diff
882 2011-04-17 08:53:21 <lfm> so test diff isnt really 17.09735567 it is 8.54861
883 2011-04-17 08:53:37 <lfm> or somthing
884 2011-04-17 08:53:40 <midnightmagic> gurk i keep forgetting that
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886 2011-04-17 08:55:44 <ArtForz> yea
887 2011-04-17 08:56:35 <midnightmagic> lol i keep forgetting it often enough that you have now begun to remember that I keep forgetting that?
888 2011-04-17 08:57:14 <lfm> what was the rational for that rwist anyway, it seems pretty silly
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890 2011-04-17 08:57:34 <ArtForz> what were we talking about?
891 2011-04-17 08:57:56 <lfm> the doubled difficulty in testnet
892 2011-04-17 08:58:08 <midnightmagic> <midnightmagic> gurk i keep forgetting that
893 2011-04-17 08:58:08 <midnightmagic> <ArtForz> yea
894 2011-04-17 08:58:14 <midnightmagic> that's what i was joking about. :)
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896 2011-04-17 08:59:31 <ArtForz> oh, you thought someone was talking to you?
897 2011-04-17 09:02:12 <midnightmagic> not really, but it would have been funny if you were.
898 2011-04-17 09:02:38 <ArtForz> ;)
899 2011-04-17 09:02:47 <Fullbring> whats up with the bitcoins pokerromom ?
900 2011-04-17 09:02:53 <Fullbring> lol *pokerroom
901 2011-04-17 09:02:59 <ArtForz> pokermoron?
902 2011-04-17 09:03:04 <lulzplzkthx> :( I stuffed all my coins in one transfer, and now they're stuck for 4 blocks so far becuase there's no fee... >_>
903 2011-04-17 09:03:27 <lfm> did the governemnt shut it down with all the other ones?
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905 2011-04-17 09:04:11 <Fullbring> lol i was just asking for is there already one ?
906 2011-04-17 09:04:16 <midnightmagic> :)
907 2011-04-17 09:04:50 <lfm> betcoin.com?
908 2011-04-17 09:05:56 <Fullbring> nope
909 2011-04-17 09:06:04 <Fullbring> parking site
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912 2011-04-17 09:06:34 <Fullbring> its betcoin.in in the developpment category of the forum
913 2011-04-17 09:06:37 <Fullbring> but not up for me
914 2011-04-17 09:07:39 <Fullbring> apparently its down for everybody
915 2011-04-17 09:07:53 <Fullbring> too bad
916 2011-04-17 09:09:11 <lfm> there have been a few attempts at gambling bitcoin sites, I guess none have caught on yet
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918 2011-04-17 09:09:38 <manveru> i think there's a poker site up'n'running
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920 2011-04-17 09:11:43 <lfm> only one I heard of was the betcoin one which seems to be down
921 2011-04-17 09:16:09 <Fullbring> yep and i think it was the original idea of genjix, doing a poker rake free soft
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923 2011-04-17 09:18:48 <wnight> I'm trying to work on the payment for a p2p one.
924 2011-04-17 09:19:15 <necrodearia> Is anyone aware of any livestreams (at livestream.com) that are worthy of watching? Perhaps something related to similar topics of interest as those participative of bitcoin community?
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929 2011-04-17 09:21:35 <midnightmagic> hey, person-who-runs sipa.be hashing graphs, bring back the old zoomed-in window versions
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933 2011-04-17 09:24:21 <BlueMatt> I believe that might be sipa...
934 2011-04-17 09:28:51 <sipa> midnightmagic: working on it
935 2011-04-17 09:33:34 <lulzplzkthx> ffs the miners don't want to use transfer my money tonight :(
936 2011-04-17 09:37:24 <Fullbring> wondering at wich speed does the mining goes
937 2011-04-17 09:37:51 <Fullbring> ie im mining fo 24h how many bitcoins would i have made ?
938 2011-04-17 09:38:21 <lfm> Fullbring: what khash/s?
939 2011-04-17 09:38:35 <Fullbring> no idea !
940 2011-04-17 09:38:46 <Fullbring> 150 at benchmark test only thing i can told you
941 2011-04-17 09:38:55 <ArtForz> well... then the answer is "no idea !"
942 2011-04-17 09:39:06 <Fullbring> im at work atm i cannot told you this
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944 2011-04-17 09:39:21 <Fullbring> you cannot give me an approximation for a pretty good computer ?
945 2011-04-17 09:39:25 <ArtForz> no
946 2011-04-17 09:39:27 <ArtForz> sipa: ping
947 2011-04-17 09:39:38 <sipa> ArtForz: yes?
948 2011-04-17 09:39:41 <ArtForz> hash rate graphs are b0rked
949 2011-04-17 09:39:55 <sipa> yes, working on it
950 2011-04-17 09:40:06 <ArtForz> cool
951 2011-04-17 09:43:14 <Fullbring> lol
952 2011-04-17 09:43:19 <Fullbring> weird
953 2011-04-17 09:44:44 <lulzplzkthx> i'm so damn tired but i need this transaction to clear so i can go to sleep :(
954 2011-04-17 09:44:47 <lulzplzkthx> it's 5:41am.
955 2011-04-17 09:44:50 <lulzplzkthx> fml.
956 2011-04-17 09:45:17 <sipa> fixed
957 2011-04-17 09:45:25 <sipa> midnightmagic, ArtForz: pong
958 2011-04-17 09:46:29 <Fullbring> can somebody told me how many bitcoins hes mining in one day?
959 2011-04-17 09:46:40 <lulzplzkthx> no.
960 2011-04-17 09:46:48 <ersi> Fullbring: It really all comes down to the hardware you're running your mining client on. There's no 'standard rig' to compare to. But if you are CPU Mining (which.. is silly) you probably compute around 100-4000 hashes per second.. which is nothing
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962 2011-04-17 09:46:59 <ersi> ;;bc,calc 4000
963 2011-04-17 09:47:00 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 4000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 2 years, 41 weeks, 6 days, 9 hours, and 57 seconds
964 2011-04-17 09:47:15 <ersi> thats how long it'd take for you to get 50 BTC, if you were the only miner
965 2011-04-17 09:47:21 <lulzplzkthx> even with pool minign you're only making about .07 BTC a day.
966 2011-04-17 09:47:23 <ersi> with only cpumining
967 2011-04-17 09:47:35 <Fullbring> ok thanks
968 2011-04-17 09:47:53 <sipa> Fullbring: with high-end GPU's you can do up to 350Mhash/s
969 2011-04-17 09:48:04 <ersi> Fullbring: I compute at about 70MHash/s with my budget ATi 4850 graphics card
970 2011-04-17 09:48:17 <Fullbring> Thanks
971 2011-04-17 09:48:26 <ersi> A note however, it's way easier to do work for bitcoins :)
972 2011-04-17 09:48:29 <Fullbring> was just for having an idea
973 2011-04-17 09:48:39 <ersi> I've earned 40-50x more that way than mining :P
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976 2011-04-17 10:21:04 <wnight> ersi: What do you do, that you bill for in BTC?
977 2011-04-17 10:22:14 <ersi> Consulting, sysadmin/web management services
978 2011-04-17 10:26:27 <lulzplzkthx> I believe my simple Bitcoin drawing script is complete.
979 2011-04-17 10:26:39 <lulzplzkthx> Drawing as in raffle.
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988 2011-04-17 10:41:40 <sacarlson> cool at least I got testnet working again and seems my wallet was still good, so now time to back it up even though it's just testnet
989 2011-04-17 10:42:46 <sacarlson> I guess the addnode was what it needed
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993 2011-04-17 10:45:50 <Arianit> hi guys I need some installation help. I get this when clicking on bitcoin: Cannot obtain a lock on data directory /home/arianit/.bitcoin. Bitcoin is probably already running.
994 2011-04-17 10:48:21 <sipa> that means it's already running :D
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997 2011-04-17 10:53:30 <sacarlson> Arianit: what did you install it on? Ubunut?
998 2011-04-17 10:53:37 <sacarlson> ubuntu
999 2011-04-17 10:54:37 <Arianit> sacarlson: yes
1000 2011-04-17 10:54:41 <Arianit> 11.04
1001 2011-04-17 10:55:02 <sacarlson> Arianit: oh I've only tried 10.04 and 10.10
1002 2011-04-17 10:55:23 <sacarlson> Arianit: what did you use the ppa?
1003 2011-04-17 10:55:34 <Arianit> sipa: I don´t see the GUI
1004 2011-04-17 10:55:57 <sipa> Arianit: do ps ax | fgrep bitcoin
1005 2011-04-17 10:56:00 <Arianit> both the official download as well as the ppa
1006 2011-04-17 10:56:23 <sipa> or are you running bitcoind? in that case there is no gui
1007 2011-04-17 10:56:41 <sacarlson> Arianit: I found that the ppa I tried was a bit old to use for -testnet but worked in the real money side
1008 2011-04-17 10:57:17 <Arianit> 2246 ? Sl 0:06 /home/arianit/Desktop/bitcoin/bitcoin-0.3.20.2/bin/32/bitcoin 3439 ? Sl 0:00 /home/arianit/Desktop/bitcoin/bitcoin-0.3.20.2/bin/32/bitcoin
1009 2011-04-17 10:57:40 <Arianit> no I clicked on bitcoin
1010 2011-04-17 10:57:58 <sacarlson> Arianit: that sounds good anything over 0.3.19 works in -testnet
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1012 2011-04-17 10:58:32 <Arianit> the thing is I don´t see the gui
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1014 2011-04-17 10:58:54 <sacarlson> Arianit: on 10.10 I only tried the bitcoind that is the command line version
1015 2011-04-17 10:59:33 <Arianit> any other ppa out there other than stretch
1016 2011-04-17 10:59:41 <sacarlson> Arianit: problem I had on the gui version is that I couldnt find the libs in ubuntu to run them
1017 2011-04-17 11:00:21 <sacarlson> Arianit: you should try kill the bitcoin and try the bitcoind
1018 2011-04-17 11:04:12 <sacarlson> ariant: the older one I found on ppa that was 0.3.19 used an older graphic lib that worked in gui mode for real money but is no longer supported in -testnet
1019 2011-04-17 11:06:18 <lulzplzkthx> Why is getbalance telling me my balance is 5.87 on one account when it's 1.96?
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1021 2011-04-17 11:07:10 <Arianit> sacarlson: which one is that?
1022 2011-04-17 11:08:31 <sacarlson> Arianit: that being the ppa? it's the only one I found on standard ppa for ubuntu
1023 2011-04-17 11:09:59 <sacarlson> Arianit: same one you said stretch
1024 2011-04-17 11:10:09 <Arianit> sacarlson: I see. thanks!
1025 2011-04-17 11:11:14 <sacarlson> Arianit: they have another gui that drives the bitcoind that I havn't tried yet
1026 2011-04-17 11:11:29 <sacarlson> not sure were to find it
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1037 2011-04-17 11:55:59 * da2ce7 announces that #bitcoin-aus for aussie bitcoiners is now up and running :) come join the locals!
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1039 2011-04-17 11:57:18 <soconfusedmp> Whats a good hash rate?
1040 2011-04-17 11:57:35 <sipa> for what?
1041 2011-04-17 11:57:43 <soconfusedmp> Mining
1042 2011-04-17 11:57:43 <da2ce7> anything +500Mhash/s
1043 2011-04-17 11:57:43 <soconfusedmp> idk
1044 2011-04-17 11:57:44 <soconfusedmp> lol
1045 2011-04-17 11:57:52 <sipa> for a cell phone, 500khash/s is nice
1046 2011-04-17 11:58:01 <sipa> for a high-end gpu, 600Mhash/s is nice
1047 2011-04-17 11:58:17 <soconfusedmp> Cellphone mining?
1048 2011-04-17 11:58:23 <soconfusedmp> Thats a first I've never heard of that
1049 2011-04-17 11:58:36 <sipa> someone had a miner running on a nokia n900
1050 2011-04-17 11:58:45 <sipa> not useful of course
1051 2011-04-17 11:59:57 <mtrlt> :D
1052 2011-04-17 12:00:49 <noagendamarket> battery life would be awful :0
1053 2011-04-17 12:01:20 <noagendamarket> how hot does it get in your pocket ?
1054 2011-04-17 12:01:51 <sipa> i wouldn't know
1055 2011-04-17 12:02:17 <soconfusedmp> If someone where to list their bitcoins on the market
1056 2011-04-17 12:02:21 <soconfusedmp> does it usually take some time
1057 2011-04-17 12:02:26 <soconfusedmp> to sell
1058 2011-04-17 12:03:12 <sipa> depends on the price
1059 2011-04-17 12:03:25 <soconfusedmp> market rate
1060 2011-04-17 12:03:36 <sipa> which market rate?
1061 2011-04-17 12:03:54 <soconfusedmp> idk lol
1062 2011-04-17 12:04:01 <soconfusedmp> <- so confused
1063 2011-04-17 12:04:03 <sipa> haha
1064 2011-04-17 12:04:19 <sipa> people choose the price the offer bitcoins at, and choose the price they're willing to buy them at
1065 2011-04-17 12:04:20 <Keefe> at the right price, you can sell 20,000 instantly :)
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1067 2011-04-17 12:09:33 <soconfusedmp> Well im looking to buy 20,000 instantly
1068 2011-04-17 12:09:37 <soconfusedmp> so Im looking for that right price
1069 2011-04-17 12:09:41 <soconfusedmp> :)
1070 2011-04-17 12:11:23 <sipa> you can buy 10000 BTC at mtgox for 0.796 USD/BTC instantly
1071 2011-04-17 12:11:40 <sipa> wait
1072 2011-04-17 12:11:48 <sipa> sell, not buy!
1073 2011-04-17 12:15:09 <Keefe> at less than $1.50, you can buy 20k instantly, assuming you have the $ in mtgox
1074 2011-04-17 12:15:32 <Keefe> the price will probably be closer to $1.20
1075 2011-04-17 12:16:00 <Keefe> as i suspect there are significant dark asks below that
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1084 2011-04-17 12:36:53 <robblesz> does anyone know what linux distribution the official bitcoin release is built in? "build-unix.txt" mentions apt-get, so perhaps ubuntu?
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1086 2011-04-17 12:40:29 <Fullbring> think so
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1089 2011-04-17 12:45:26 <Pander> I have build problems on ubuntu 10.10 with ATI OpenCL, according to http://forums.amd.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=390&threadid=143286 should upgrading kernel solve the problem
1090 2011-04-17 12:45:55 <Pander> however, new kernel is kept behind. perhaps because I have a server kernel installed too which is lagging behind in version?
1091 2011-04-17 12:46:42 <Keefe> i use debian stable (squeeze)
1092 2011-04-17 12:48:19 <Keefe> fglrx 10.9, stream sdk 2.1
1093 2011-04-17 12:49:05 <Keefe> untar the icd, set DISPLAY and a couple other env vars, and all's good
1094 2011-04-17 12:50:36 <robblesz> Keefe: just curious, have you ever built bitcoind on squeeze?
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1096 2011-04-17 12:55:15 <sacarlson> ok my proto coin is one step close my two systems see the first block created, One question I have is why do I still have 9 connections on one when I addeded connect=X.X.X.X to only connect to one system?
1097 2011-04-17 12:55:28 <luke-jr> robblesz: just backport the official packageâ¦
1098 2011-04-17 12:56:17 <noagendamarket> what will your proto coin be called sacarlson ?
1099 2011-04-17 12:56:49 <Keefe> robblesz: yes
1100 2011-04-17 12:56:52 <sacarlson> noagendamarket: I don't know I never thought about that how about protocoin
1101 2011-04-17 12:57:02 <sipa> what is this protocoin?
1102 2011-04-17 12:57:02 <Keefe> from the source at github
1103 2011-04-17 12:57:29 <robblesz> Keefe: cool. were you able to satisfy all of the dependencies using only official apt repositories?
1104 2011-04-17 12:57:59 <sacarlson> I guess for it to start I will need to create 120 blocks before I can turn off the only minner on the protocoin net
1105 2011-04-17 12:58:16 <Keefe> i didn't need the gui, so i built just bitcoind, and yes, was easy to fulfil dependencies with only the official debian repos
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1107 2011-04-17 12:58:16 <robblesz> luke-jr: I have problems with release and need to try git
1108 2011-04-17 12:58:38 <robblesz> Keefe: thanks, I will try squeeze then. It failed on Lenny but I guess that's not surprising
1109 2011-04-17 12:58:45 <sacarlson> sipa: the protocoin is just an experiment to see how one creates new coins
1110 2011-04-17 12:58:55 <luke-jr> robblesz: you'll probably need the hack the makefile
1111 2011-04-17 12:58:58 <sipa> testnet?
1112 2011-04-17 12:59:09 <robblesz> luke-jr: how so?
1113 2011-04-17 12:59:13 <sacarlson> sipa: yes it's a clone of testnet
1114 2011-04-17 12:59:18 <sipa> what for?
1115 2011-04-17 12:59:20 <luke-jr> robblesz: s/static/dynamic/
1116 2011-04-17 12:59:20 <Keefe> i did have one little complication. iirc, it complained about needing gthread. i needed to install an unexpected pkg to get that
1117 2011-04-17 12:59:33 <robblesz> luke-jr: gotcha.
1118 2011-04-17 12:59:40 <robblesz> Keefe: yeah, I had that issue on Fedora too
1119 2011-04-17 12:59:51 <robblesz> or maybe it was pthread
1120 2011-04-17 13:00:00 <sacarlson> sipa: to see if it's viable to be used in the trade of other finacial instruments
1121 2011-04-17 13:00:45 <Keefe> robblesz: libglib2.0-dev
1122 2011-04-17 13:00:53 <Keefe> that solved it
1123 2011-04-17 13:01:04 <robblesz> Cool, I will keep that in mind
1124 2011-04-17 13:01:26 <luke-jr> I still need real TN BTC
1125 2011-04-17 13:01:36 <Keefe> testnet?
1126 2011-04-17 13:01:40 <Keefe> i have plenty
1127 2011-04-17 13:01:41 <sacarlson> sipa: but it seems there are more hardcoded address that seem to keep it linked to the original testnet for resons I havn't figured out yet
1128 2011-04-17 13:02:08 <luke-jr> mxwBdraSJzdRLA3novDCrsRrYdawtQLZo9
1129 2011-04-17 13:02:19 <Keefe> how much do you want. i think i have 4k
1130 2011-04-17 13:02:32 <luke-jr> Keefe: shrug
1131 2011-04-17 13:02:38 <Keefe> i'll give you 1k
1132 2011-04-17 13:02:41 <luke-jr> all the same to me lol
1133 2011-04-17 13:02:45 <luke-jr> Keefe: wanna send it in chunks?
1134 2011-04-17 13:02:53 <Keefe> is there enough mining in testnet to get confirmation quickly enough?
1135 2011-04-17 13:02:59 <luke-jr> probably not.
1136 2011-04-17 13:03:02 <luke-jr> difficulty is too high
1137 2011-04-17 13:03:17 <luke-jr> I left my system mining all night, but only get 1 every 2 hours or so
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1139 2011-04-17 13:03:43 <sacarlson> Keefe: testnet earlier took me about 1 hour to confirm
1140 2011-04-17 13:03:46 <Keefe> i suppose i could put 1.8 ghash/s on it for a few minutes if that's all it needs
1141 2011-04-17 13:04:10 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 1800000373.71147262
1142 2011-04-17 13:04:11 <gribble> (bc,calcd <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The average time to generate a block at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [time elapsed [math calc 1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256)]]".
1143 2011-04-17 13:04:12 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 1800000 373.71147262
1144 2011-04-17 13:04:12 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1800000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 373.71147262, is 14 minutes and 51 seconds
1145 2011-04-17 13:04:24 <luke-jr> Keefe: you probably made it this high XD
1146 2011-04-17 13:04:27 <Keefe> heh
1147 2011-04-17 13:04:55 <ArtForz> huh?
1148 2011-04-17 13:04:55 <Keefe> nah, 80 blocks in a few minutes couldn't do that i don't think?
1149 2011-04-17 13:05:02 <ArtForz> testnet is at 8.5 diff
1150 2011-04-17 13:05:05 <Keefe> it was 8.5 when i did that
1151 2011-04-17 13:05:30 <sacarlson> ArtForz: my protocoin is at 1.0000
1152 2011-04-17 13:05:39 <ArtForz> old testnet was at 300something
1153 2011-04-17 13:05:55 <ArtForz> and that was mostly me
1154 2011-04-17 13:07:00 <Keefe> luke-jr: how many chunks should i divide 1k in for you?
1155 2011-04-17 13:09:27 <Pander> Where does one find the drivers for ATI Radeon cards? Do you need to install X.org and that will take of it?
1156 2011-04-17 13:09:59 <ArtForz> you need atis binary closed-source driver, usually called fglrx
1157 2011-04-17 13:10:09 <luke-jr> Keefe: shrug
1158 2011-04-17 13:10:24 <luke-jr> ArtForz: 373â¦
1159 2011-04-17 13:10:41 <ArtForz> 373 what?
1160 2011-04-17 13:10:48 <luke-jr> ArtForz: that's current testnet difficulty
1161 2011-04-17 13:10:59 <Pander> ArtForz: apt-get install fglrx ?
1162 2011-04-17 13:11:03 <Keefe> are you still on an old testnet?
1163 2011-04-17 13:11:08 <luke-jr> shouldn't be?
1164 2011-04-17 13:11:16 <Keefe> then what about me?
1165 2011-04-17 13:11:34 <ArtForz> blockexplorer says block 13910 and difficulty 8.55
1166 2011-04-17 13:11:42 <Keefe> i have connections, 13278 blocks, and diff 17 (8.5x mainnet diff)
1167 2011-04-17 13:11:46 <ArtForz> 373 something was old testnet iirc
1168 2011-04-17 13:11:56 <ArtForz> yep
1169 2011-04-17 13:12:03 <ArtForz> that sounds like new testnet
1170 2011-04-17 13:12:07 <luke-jr> keypoololdest is Tue Feb 8 18:03:00 2011 PST
1171 2011-04-17 13:12:23 <luke-jr> 8 connections
1172 2011-04-17 13:12:24 <ArtForz> what does that have to do with anything?
1173 2011-04-17 13:12:27 <luke-jr> 28615 blocks
1174 2011-04-17 13:12:41 <ArtForz> yep, thats old testnet
1175 2011-04-17 13:12:44 <luke-jr> how? :/
1176 2011-04-17 13:12:48 <Keefe> version 32100 here
1177 2011-04-17 13:12:48 <luke-jr> I've only ever used .20+
1178 2011-04-17 13:12:54 <luke-jr> Keefe: same here
1179 2011-04-17 13:13:04 <ArtForz> no clue, but thats definitely old testnet
1180 2011-04-17 13:14:03 <sacarlson> one thing I noted on what I see was done in git at the reset of -testnet was the value change of block.nNonce so far I havn't changed that what problem might that cause?
1181 2011-04-17 13:14:04 <ArtForz> my last old-testnet block was 28223 at diff 373.7
1182 2011-04-17 13:14:51 <luke-jr> if I nuke the .bitcoin/testnet, but save wallet.dat, should I keep the keys on new testnet?
1183 2011-04-17 13:15:01 <ArtForz> whats the point?
1184 2011-04-17 13:15:17 <luke-jr> apparently Keefe and others(?) sent me some?
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1186 2011-04-17 13:15:32 <Keefe> i can send more. i don't really care
1187 2011-04-17 13:16:02 <luke-jr> not getting any connections now
1188 2011-04-17 13:16:14 <ArtForz> I still don't quite get how you managed to end up on old testnet with 0.3.20.x ...
1189 2011-04-17 13:16:20 <luke-jr> me either
1190 2011-04-17 13:16:20 <sacarlson> luke-jr you should have got the coins I sent you since I got the ones I sent my other system
1191 2011-04-17 13:17:43 <Keefe> i seem to not have all the blocks yet. 13296
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1193 2011-04-17 13:17:52 <Keefe> going to stop and start...
1194 2011-04-17 13:18:07 <sacarlson> luke-jr I wonder if it's me causing the problem since I now have 8 conections where I should only have 1
1195 2011-04-17 13:18:08 <Keefe> i don't have a port forwarded to this pc
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1197 2011-04-17 13:21:50 <Keefe> anyone have all 13910 testnet blocks so i can connect and catch up?
1198 2011-04-17 13:22:16 <Keefe> having trouble getting them with just the usual connections
1199 2011-04-17 13:23:18 <Keefe> i just need an ip address of someone with the latest chain
1200 2011-04-17 13:24:30 <ArtForz> how bout blockexplorer?
1201 2011-04-17 13:25:00 <ArtForz> and afaict 13910 *is* the latest block
1202 2011-04-17 13:25:08 <ArtForz> at least my testnet node and BE say so
1203 2011-04-17 13:27:21 <Keefe> ah nice. i didn't realize i could just connect to BE that way
1204 2011-04-17 13:27:45 <sipa> or mining.bitcoin.cz
1205 2011-04-17 13:27:49 <sipa> or bitcoin.sipa.be :)
1206 2011-04-17 13:27:55 <sipa> or any of the other fallback nodes
1207 2011-04-17 13:27:58 <Keefe> testnet?
1208 2011-04-17 13:28:06 <sipa> ah, testnet
1209 2011-04-17 13:28:21 <ArtForz> yeah, be has a open testnet node ;)
1210 2011-04-17 13:28:23 <sipa> bitcoin.sipa.be did run a testnet node, but i believe it's currently off
1211 2011-04-17 13:28:51 <Keefe> does testnet use a different port?
1212 2011-04-17 13:28:55 <luke-jr> aha
1213 2011-04-17 13:28:56 <luke-jr> nice
1214 2011-04-17 13:29:00 <luke-jr> Keefe: yes
1215 2011-04-17 13:29:03 <sacarlson> well my ruff calulation is I have to run this for 20 hours to capture the first block so I wonder if I should change the port address before I run it that long to be sure it won't cause a problem to the real testnet
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1218 2011-04-17 13:32:21 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 14000 17
1219 2011-04-17 13:32:21 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 14000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 17, is 1 hour, 26 minutes, and 55 seconds
1220 2011-04-17 13:32:26 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 365000 17
1221 2011-04-17 13:32:26 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 365000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 17, is 3 minutes and 20 seconds
1222 2011-04-17 13:32:38 <Keefe> luke-jr: all good now? got the tnbtc i sent?
1223 2011-04-17 13:32:42 <luke-jr> nope
1224 2011-04-17 13:32:42 <Keefe> 1k
1225 2011-04-17 13:32:56 <Keefe> do i need to send to a new addr?
1226 2011-04-17 13:32:59 <luke-jr> maybe
1227 2011-04-17 13:33:14 <ArtForz> it's 8.5 *headdesk*
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1229 2011-04-17 13:33:33 <ArtForz> testnet 1.0 diff = mainnet 0.5 diff
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1231 2011-04-17 13:35:45 <luke-jr> ok, got them
1232 2011-04-17 13:35:49 <luke-jr> Keefe: ty
1233 2011-04-17 13:35:49 <jaromil> autotools branch, comments? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/162 http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5813.msg88000#msg88000
1234 2011-04-17 13:35:52 <luke-jr> ArtForz: ty
1235 2011-04-17 13:35:54 <luke-jr> sacarlson: ty
1236 2011-04-17 13:36:21 <luke-jr> now I need an address to send them to
1237 2011-04-17 13:36:30 <jaromil> i'm still compiling wx 2.9.1, however all build goes smooth, ./configure includes --enable-upnp and --enable-gui=wx
1238 2011-04-17 13:36:59 <luke-jr> jaromil: including --enable-upnp=0/1 ?
1239 2011-04-17 13:37:03 <luke-jr> (or yes/no)
1240 2011-04-17 13:37:17 <jaromil> needing help to test on win32 and osx. gasteve what do you think?
1241 2011-04-17 13:37:29 <luke-jr> jaromil: cross-compile :D
1242 2011-04-17 13:37:35 <jaromil> luke-jr: right now upnp is off by default and --enable-upnp does the trick
1243 2011-04-17 13:37:40 <gat3way> ;;bc,calcd 239000
1244 2011-04-17 13:37:40 <gribble> (bc,calcd <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo The average time to generate a block at $1 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of $2, is [time elapsed [math calc 1/((2**224-1)/$2*$1*1000/2**256)]]".
1245 2011-04-17 13:37:46 <luke-jr> jaromil: it's tristate
1246 2011-04-17 13:37:47 <jaromil> i have cross-compilation setup for mipsel targets but i guess that won't work....
1247 2011-04-17 13:37:56 <luke-jr> jaromil: not-compile, off-by-default, on-by-default
1248 2011-04-17 13:38:34 <Fullbring> in which language is bitcoins developed ?
1249 2011-04-17 13:38:39 <Fullbring> C ?
1250 2011-04-17 13:38:45 <luke-jr> Fullbring: the wx client and bitcoind are C++
1251 2011-04-17 13:38:54 <Fullbring> yep oki
1252 2011-04-17 13:38:55 <luke-jr> Fullbring: Spesmilo is Python/PySide
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1254 2011-04-17 13:39:14 <Fullbring> Spesmilo is for generating coins right ?
1255 2011-04-17 13:39:28 <jaromil> luke-jr: i don't understand, can you give me an example?
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1257 2011-04-17 13:40:07 <luke-jr> jaromil: make USE_UPNP= # results in a bitcoind that does not link to libminiupnpc at all, and has no upnp-related options
1258 2011-04-17 13:40:23 <luke-jr> jaromil: make USE_UPNP=0 # results in a bitcoind that requires libminiupnpc, but only uses it if you pass -upnp
1259 2011-04-17 13:40:34 <luke-jr> jaromil: make USE_UPNP=1 # results in a bitcoind that requires libminiupnpc, and uses it unless you pass -noupnp
1260 2011-04-17 13:40:55 <jaromil> luke-jr: ACK.
1261 2011-04-17 13:41:24 <jaromil> luke-jr: i can implement that now. do you prefer 0/1 or yes/no ?
1262 2011-04-17 13:41:31 <gasteve> jaromil: I can, but won't get to it today most likely (got a busy day) btw, I agree about a mailing list...the forum is not the greatest for keeping up to date on things ...I wonder if there's a way you can get an email feed from the forum
1263 2011-04-17 13:41:54 <jaromil> gasteve: no idea, but i love the mail feed from github
1264 2011-04-17 13:42:04 <luke-jr> jaromil: I prefer whatever the standard for such things is
1265 2011-04-17 13:42:14 <jaromil> luke-jr: standard is yes/no
1266 2011-04-17 13:43:48 <gasteve> btw, I don't know if you saw, but I added support for unit tests yesterday (based on the boost unit test framework)...just put a couple trivial unit tests in place to give an example how to do it (and wrote a README explaining how to add new tests)
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1269 2011-04-17 13:49:22 <eps2> someone bought 200k worth of bitcoin, anyone know anything about that?
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1271 2011-04-17 13:50:58 <jaromil> gasteve: that's awesome :D
1272 2011-04-17 13:51:27 <jaromil> gasteve: test units are very important
1273 2011-04-17 13:54:04 <gasteve> yes, the future of the world's monetary system deserves it ;)
1274 2011-04-17 13:55:27 <kiba> eps2: where?
1275 2011-04-17 13:55:51 <jaromil> gasteve: my doubt with your branch is just the extreme breakout into classes that you've made
1276 2011-04-17 13:56:04 <jaromil> if you can live without that, i guess we can merge branches easily
1277 2011-04-17 13:56:35 <jaromil> i don't exclude code reorganization, but my point now is just autotools and i'd rather concentrate on that
1278 2011-04-17 13:56:39 <gasteve> what's the alternative?
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1280 2011-04-17 13:57:09 <jaromil> https://github.com/jaromil/bitcoin
1281 2011-04-17 13:57:14 <gasteve> (I plan on looking at your autotools work and incorporating it, btw)
1282 2011-04-17 13:57:15 <jaromil> keep all the actual sources
1283 2011-04-17 13:57:28 <kiba> hmm
1284 2011-04-17 13:57:33 <jaromil> ehr, https://github.com/jaromil/bitcoin/tree/autotools
1285 2011-04-17 13:57:39 <kiba> more and more computers are covering up planet earth...
1286 2011-04-17 13:57:43 <jaromil> sources are untouched with two exceptions
1287 2011-04-17 13:58:09 <gasteve> jaromil: half of the code in the originals are in *.h file...it doesn't lend itself well to reuse for libraries...separating the wallet from the peer, etc
1288 2011-04-17 13:58:30 <jaromil> gasteve: i agree 100%
1289 2011-04-17 13:58:35 <jaromil> but its just about the process
1290 2011-04-17 13:58:42 <jaromil> i understand there are a lot of people on the code already
1291 2011-04-17 13:58:53 <jaromil> and its best to make intelligible every single change
1292 2011-04-17 13:59:02 <jaromil> so that everyone has an overview on commits
1293 2011-04-17 13:59:12 <gasteve> I decided to go all the way to one file per class because it was the simplest strategy (rather than try and somehow decide which classes should co-reside in the same files)
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1295 2011-04-17 13:59:35 <jaromil> but then i'd make that a pull request on its own, see what i'm saying?
1296 2011-04-17 13:59:56 <jaromil> ultimately, its just easier for people to follow
1297 2011-04-17 14:00:36 <gasteve> jaromil: I agree with the point about seeing every change...you can diff my branch with the main easy enough though ...and doing a reorg like that one small change at a time would very tedious to say the least
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1299 2011-04-17 14:05:56 <gasteve> also, I'm not really going to lobby for a pull request on the main...instead I plan to keep my branch in sync with the changes on the main branch...get it building easily everywhere ...and use it as the basis for another project I'm working on
1300 2011-04-17 14:07:12 <gasteve> it's just easier for me to reuse of the code the way I have it structured and keeping it in sync with the main branch isn't much work
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1302 2011-04-17 14:07:17 <gasteve> (git makes it really easy)
1303 2011-04-17 14:09:29 <sacarlson> gasteve: git is cool, I like my gitg that is a gui you can click around and see changes and branches made over time and authors
1304 2011-04-17 14:09:31 <jaromil> gasteve: ack. yep :) plz lemme know if you have new things up, i'll keep an eye on the test units
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1306 2011-04-17 14:09:52 <jaromil> git is more than cool.. git is forever :D
1307 2011-04-17 14:10:32 <sacarlson> how would I release my git branch?
1308 2011-04-17 14:11:03 <gasteve> just push it to github and give people a link (my branch is http://github.com/gasteve/bitcoin)
1309 2011-04-17 14:11:49 <sacarlson> gasteve: does that push the hole copy or just the diff off master?
1310 2011-04-17 14:12:26 <gasteve> git decides internally whether to store compressed deltas or a full copy
1311 2011-04-17 14:15:19 <gasteve> for any give file, or directory in your commit, there is a sha1 hash that is its identity and that is a hash of the full file (even if only deltas are actually stored...the used of deltas is just a storage optimization)
1312 2011-04-17 14:15:26 <gasteve> *use of deltas
1313 2011-04-17 14:16:03 <jaromil> luke-jr: https://github.com/jaromil/bitcoin/commit/ec40e0abad81b14be39a35ad3a82e6b1068c6912
1314 2011-04-17 14:16:12 <jaromil> gotta go, bbl
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1316 2011-04-17 14:21:27 <sacarlson> ok I created a github.com account, I wonder if my gitg will do the commit to it for me
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1318 2011-04-17 14:27:52 <gasteve> how is "gitg" compared with "git gui" ? (I've not used gitg before ...and not sure it would work on my Mac...but I do have a couple Linux machines too)
1319 2011-04-17 14:34:19 <luke-jr> sacarlson: boo
1320 2011-04-17 14:34:47 <sacarlson> luke-jr what's up?
1321 2011-04-17 14:35:01 <luke-jr> sacarlson: GitHub sucks. Use Gitorious ;)
1322 2011-04-17 14:35:44 <sacarlson> luke-jr now you tell me I already setup the account I was just reading the ssh key thing
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1325 2011-04-17 14:36:17 <sacarlson> luke-jr gitorious is that another site?
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1327 2011-04-17 14:36:45 <luke-jr> https://gitorious.org/bitcoin/bitcoind
1328 2011-04-17 14:37:08 <nanotube> gasteve: gitg rocks. it's like gitk, only better, and faster. git-gui does some other stuff in addition to just viewing the repo
1329 2011-04-17 14:37:14 <sacarlson> http://gitorious.org/
1330 2011-04-17 14:38:04 <sacarlson> I think this is where I got my original copy from
1331 2011-04-17 14:38:14 <nanotube> gasteve: mmm though now that i'm looking at it... gitg appears to also have ability to make commits. heh.
1332 2011-04-17 14:38:39 <sacarlson> nanotube: ya it's just a gui for git
1333 2011-04-17 14:39:18 <nanotube> sacarlson: gitorious has much more friendly licensing terms, so it's better in that way. but functionality-wise i couldn't say it's better.
1334 2011-04-17 14:39:23 <sacarlson> ok I'll setup an account on gitorious since this is where it all started
1335 2011-04-17 14:40:17 <ghshephard> ;;bc,gen 2518
1336 2011-04-17 14:40:19 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 2518 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 0.0307560567518 BTC per day and 0.00128150236466 BTC per hour.
1337 2011-04-17 14:40:19 <sacarlson> then you will how bad my code really is
1338 2011-04-17 14:40:47 <gasteve> gitorius is a github competitor right? (I was talking about git gui tools)
1339 2011-04-17 14:41:18 <Guest42360> ;;bc,gen 4000000
1340 2011-04-17 14:41:19 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 4000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 48.8579138234 BTC per day and 2.03574640931 BTC per hour.
1341 2011-04-17 14:41:48 <luke-jr> sacarlson: click "Clone repository" on the link I posted
1342 2011-04-17 14:42:51 <kiba> I still perceive sourceforge.net to be major suckage
1343 2011-04-17 14:42:56 <kiba> but they improved their policy and things
1344 2011-04-17 14:43:36 <sacarlson> luke-jr I already have this version d12ea887bcf1eab4b029007c4bf5821992c0c6b1 from git from Sat 09 Apr 2011 10:59:32 AM ICT
1345 2011-04-17 14:43:56 <sacarlson> luke-jr would that not be the same?
1346 2011-04-17 14:43:58 <luke-jr> sacarlson: the button on the webpage makes you a private clone there to push to
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1348 2011-04-17 14:44:42 <sacarlson> oh don't you still use the gitg tools ?
1349 2011-04-17 14:44:57 <Fullbring> out of topic question
1350 2011-04-17 14:45:16 <luke-jr> sacarlson: I don't use gitg at all. I'm talking about on the Gitorious website
1351 2011-04-17 14:45:31 <Fullbring> whats the correct formulation in english for, "thanks to balbalbla and to all that ive forgoten " ?
1352 2011-04-17 14:45:32 <luke-jr> sacarlson: the "Clone repository" button there creates a clone ON THEIR SERVER, so you can push to it
1353 2011-04-17 14:46:24 <sacarlson> luke-jr ok I'll take a look at it
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1356 2011-04-17 14:49:56 <nanotube> Fullbring: put an apostrophe into "i've" and you're good. :)
1357 2011-04-17 14:50:16 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
1358 2011-04-17 14:50:18 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118835 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 108 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 15 hours, 23 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92672.38666522
1359 2011-04-17 14:50:34 <luke-jr> I need to find a pool :x
1360 2011-04-17 14:50:35 <Fullbring> Thanks
1361 2011-04-17 14:51:15 <luke-jr> or form a pool
1362 2011-04-17 14:51:26 <kiba> anybody wants me to make a google chrome extension?
1363 2011-04-17 14:51:29 <luke-jr> anyone want to make a new pool with me?
1364 2011-04-17 14:51:40 <kiba> well, willing to pay me to develop a google chrome extension
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1374 2011-04-17 15:20:14 <JunK-Y> luke-jr: im interested.
1375 2011-04-17 15:20:28 <luke-jr> ?
1376 2011-04-17 15:20:42 <JunK-Y> 10:54 < luke-jr> anyone want to make a new pool with me?
1377 2011-04-17 15:20:42 <JunK-Y> :P
1378 2011-04-17 15:20:54 <luke-jr> oh
1379 2011-04-17 15:21:09 <luke-jr> JunK-Y: you know the basics of pool setup stuff?
1380 2011-04-17 15:21:29 <JunK-Y> no clue, ya ?
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1382 2011-04-17 15:21:40 <luke-jr> nothing I would trust to be secure âº
1383 2011-04-17 15:24:00 <[Tycho]> Isn't there enough pools ? :)
1384 2011-04-17 15:24:09 <luke-jr> no
1385 2011-04-17 15:24:31 <luke-jr> as far as I know, not a single pool operating now pays out directly
1386 2011-04-17 15:24:35 <robblesz> pushpool is pretty great. Easy to setup
1387 2011-04-17 15:24:37 <JunK-Y> theres a http 502 right now on mining.bitcoin,cz
1388 2011-04-17 15:24:40 <luke-jr> and they all run the default bitcoind policies
1389 2011-04-17 15:26:17 <[Tycho]> But direct "generation" is bad.
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1391 2011-04-17 15:28:03 <ersi> luke-jr: So you'd rather that pools sent the balance directly, flooding out transactions on the network?
1392 2011-04-17 15:28:22 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: why?
1393 2011-04-17 15:28:40 <luke-jr> ersi: sending the generation directly doesn't use transactions
1394 2011-04-17 15:28:41 <[Tycho]> Not because of flooding, but because of unusable nanocents.
1395 2011-04-17 15:28:45 da2ce7 is now known as da2ceZzz
1396 2011-04-17 15:28:48 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: perfectly usable
1397 2011-04-17 15:28:57 <[Tycho]> Not with a official client.
1398 2011-04-17 15:28:59 <luke-jr> also, not nanocents
1399 2011-04-17 15:29:05 <ersi> I'd like my 0.0000023456 right now THANK YOU
1400 2011-04-17 15:29:13 <ersi> >:o
1401 2011-04-17 15:29:14 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: there is no such thing as official
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1403 2011-04-17 15:29:37 <luke-jr> and my bugfix is in .21
1404 2011-04-17 15:29:42 <[Tycho]> CPU miners won't get a single BTC with it :)
1405 2011-04-17 15:29:58 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: good. it will discourage CPU mining :D
1406 2011-04-17 15:32:03 <bencoder> bah, no confirms for half an hour, then 3 in a row, then none for half an hour again :|
1407 2011-04-17 15:33:53 <ArtForz> randomness is random, news at 11
1408 2011-04-17 15:34:48 <[Tycho]> Coin combining may help, but it will make things more complicated...
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1410 2011-04-17 15:44:20 <sipa> i just implemented by check-blockchain-for-conflicts with wallets, and to my surprise it found a ton of conflicts
1411 2011-04-17 15:44:30 <sipa> apparently i forgot to exclude coinbases :D
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1414 2011-04-17 15:53:55 <sipa> could anyone with some experience with the source look at the line 1034 of main.h in current github master?
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1417 2011-04-17 15:57:42 <jgarzik> sipa: a blank line inside is-confirmed?
1418 2011-04-17 15:59:00 <sipa> these lines:
1419 2011-04-17 15:59:01 <sipa> if (ptx->GetDepthInMainChain() >= 1)
1420 2011-04-17 15:59:01 <sipa> return true;
1421 2011-04-17 15:59:16 <sipa> inside the dependency-check loop
1422 2011-04-17 16:00:13 <sipa> i read that as: one single dependency of a own transaction that is already in the block chain, and the whole tx is assumed confirmed
1423 2011-04-17 16:00:14 <edcba> ersi: i don't see how you should fear to flood the network
1424 2011-04-17 16:00:23 <edcba> s/how/why/
1425 2011-04-17 16:00:43 <ersi> I misunderstood/misinterpret :p
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1427 2011-04-17 16:01:35 <sipa> jgarzik: seems github's column with line numbers is a bit off
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1430 2011-04-17 16:05:57 <fabianhjr> Hi, sup?
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1433 2011-04-17 16:13:47 <EvanR> where the hell do i get a replacement fan for a video card
1434 2011-04-17 16:13:47 <EvanR> and wheres slush's pool
1435 2011-04-17 16:15:15 <[Tycho]> Pool may be working, but site is not.
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1443 2011-04-17 16:28:42 <fabianhjr> So, how is the BitDNS fragmentation vs keeping the blocks tidy argument going?
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1446 2011-04-17 16:30:33 <kiba> dunno
1447 2011-04-17 16:30:41 <kiba> more interested in someone working on an implementation
1448 2011-04-17 16:30:48 <kiba> 3500 BTC bounty award and all
1449 2011-04-17 16:31:07 <fabianhjr> Well, as far as I remember someobdy had already implemented it and then the payload got blocked.
1450 2011-04-17 16:31:40 <kiba> payload got blocked, for what?
1451 2011-04-17 16:35:23 <sipa> does anyone know how to do something like "compare current git working copy with branching point of branch X" ?
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1453 2011-04-17 16:37:35 <mssssm> sipa: git diff branch...master
1454 2011-04-17 16:38:09 <mssssm> outputs the changes that occurred on the master branch since when the topic branch was started off it.
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1456 2011-04-17 16:39:28 <sipa> mssssm: but the master is already advanced since i branched
1457 2011-04-17 16:39:33 <sipa> and i don't want to see those changes
1458 2011-04-17 16:40:26 <devrandom> sipa, maybe reverse the args?
1459 2011-04-17 16:42:13 <devrandom> "git diff A...B" is equivalent to "git diff $(git-merge-base A B) B".
1460 2011-04-17 16:42:22 <sipa> oh
1461 2011-04-17 16:42:56 <sipa> doesn't seem like it
1462 2011-04-17 16:43:12 <devrandom> (that was a paste from the man page for git-diff)
1463 2011-04-17 16:43:29 <sipa> oh, 3 dots
1464 2011-04-17 16:43:31 <sipa> nice
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1466 2011-04-17 16:43:35 <sipa> yes, that works
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1469 2011-04-17 16:45:43 <mssssm> devrandom: hehe, same here, paste from the manpage
1470 2011-04-17 16:46:15 <devrandom> ;) git does have a steep learning curve though
1471 2011-04-17 16:47:09 <nanotube> devrandom: steep means - you learn quick. :)
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1473 2011-04-17 16:47:57 <nanotube> if the vertical axis is level of mastery, and horiz axis is time... the steeper the curve, the faster you achieve mastery.
1474 2011-04-17 16:48:09 <devrandom> depends on what units the x-axis is in ;)
1475 2011-04-17 16:48:29 <devrandom> I mean, it can be something other than time
1476 2011-04-17 16:48:37 <nanotube> regardless of units of x axis... a 'steep curve' on the same axis gives you mastery faster than a 'shallow curve'
1477 2011-04-17 16:48:53 <nanotube> ah, so you're not talking about just units then. :)
1478 2011-04-17 16:48:58 <devrandom> right
1479 2011-04-17 16:49:16 <nanotube> yes i suppose if axes are flipped, and we have mastery on horiz, and time on vertical... steep would mean slow mastery :)
1480 2011-04-17 16:49:46 <devrandom> y can be effort and x can be effectiveness
1481 2011-04-17 16:50:13 <mssssm> it starts generating hashes when it's done with loading blocks, right?
1482 2011-04-17 16:55:23 <nanotube> mssssm: yes, gotta finish loading the block chain first.
1483 2011-04-17 16:56:53 <lulzplzkthx> Okay, I'm having a very weird issue with json-rpc in php...
1484 2011-04-17 16:57:00 <lulzplzkthx> $pot_size = $bc->getbalance("Lottery Pot"); <-- works fine.
1485 2011-04-17 16:57:13 <lulzplzkthx> $bc->sendfrom("Lottery Pot", $winning_address, $give); <-- gives an Unable to connect error
1486 2011-04-17 16:57:16 <lulzplzkthx> wtf?
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1488 2011-04-17 16:59:49 <lulzplzkthx> It's also getting a lot of these: HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Error
1489 2011-04-17 17:00:02 <lulzplzkthx> sendtoaddress doesn't work either.
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1493 2011-04-17 17:18:48 <eps2> hmmm, anyone know what is up with slushs pool?, i can't get to the site
1494 2011-04-17 17:18:58 <eps2> 502 Bad Gateway
1495 2011-04-17 17:19:00 <eps2> nginx/0.7.65
1496 2011-04-17 17:19:36 <MBS> yeah site is down, people in forums said it has happened before and that it probably still is recording share amounts
1497 2011-04-17 17:19:45 <lulzplzkthx> Anyone who currently uses PHP json-rpc for Bitcoin and has had the issues with having to try / catch everything until it works because it only works 50% of the time, I have just made a curl version, and willl post it on the forums shortly.
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1504 2011-04-17 17:28:18 <mssssm> ArtForzZz: are you the one with the 5770 farm?
1505 2011-04-17 17:29:25 <ArtForzZz> nope, got no 5770s mining
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1507 2011-04-17 17:30:33 <lulzplzkthx> Does anyone know why getbalance is displaying 7.87 instead of 2.0 on an account with only 2 BTC?
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1509 2011-04-17 17:30:52 <mssssm> ArtForzZz: but you do have a farm?
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1511 2011-04-17 17:31:04 <ArtForzZz> yup
1512 2011-04-17 17:31:39 <mssssm> consisting of?
1513 2011-04-17 17:32:11 <ArtForzZz> 8 5870s, 26 5970s, 19.2Gh/s of custom chips
1514 2011-04-17 17:32:46 <mssssm> windows or linux?
1515 2011-04-17 17:32:52 <ArtForzZz> linux
1516 2011-04-17 17:32:58 <mssssm> distro?
1517 2011-04-17 17:33:18 <ArtForzZz> debian, fglrx 10.9, stream SDK 2.1
1518 2011-04-17 17:33:39 <robblesz> lulzplzkthx: curl vs. fopen didn't fix the problem for me
1519 2011-04-17 17:33:51 <mssssm> how much, approximately, did it cost?
1520 2011-04-17 17:34:57 <ArtForzZz> GPU boxes, about 24keur total
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1522 2011-04-17 17:36:21 <lulzplzkthx> robblesz: you tried the one I just poted?
1523 2011-04-17 17:36:29 <lulzplzkthx> posted*
1524 2011-04-17 17:36:49 <robblesz> link?
1525 2011-04-17 17:36:50 <lulzplzkthx> I am using exactly the json-rpc thing, but I replaced the fopen, etc. with curl, and I haven't gotten a single bad request.
1526 2011-04-17 17:36:56 <lulzplzkthx> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1408.msg88115#msg88115
1527 2011-04-17 17:37:33 <robblesz> That's essentially the same modification I made to my file
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1530 2011-04-17 17:37:58 <mssssm> i wonder why you are using PHP
1531 2011-04-17 17:38:01 <robblesz> I also get the problem with the CLI.
1532 2011-04-17 17:38:30 <lulzplzkthx> robblesz: Give it a shot.
1533 2011-04-17 17:38:33 <lulzplzkthx> Oh
1534 2011-04-17 17:38:39 <lulzplzkthx> If you're getting it from CLI idk.
1535 2011-04-17 17:38:41 <lulzplzkthx> CLI works fine for me.
1536 2011-04-17 17:38:59 <lulzplzkthx> mssssm: because I like it, and cba to learn Django.
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1540 2011-04-17 17:43:40 <lulzplzkthx> Remind me to create a new wallet when I'm dev'ing next time... >_>
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1542 2011-04-17 17:57:42 <lulzplzkthx> How may people would you guys estimate currently use Bitcoins?
1543 2011-04-17 17:57:51 <WakiMiko> 2-3
1544 2011-04-17 17:58:40 <BlueMatt> Id say thats a bit much, maybe 1 or 2
1545 2011-04-17 17:58:50 <lulzplzkthx> XD
1546 2011-04-17 17:58:59 <lulzplzkthx> many* also.
1547 2011-04-17 17:59:22 <lulzplzkthx> Seriously thoughh... I guess one of the issues of not having accounts is you can't track how many people use it.
1548 2011-04-17 18:00:38 <BlueMatt> lulzplzkthx: cant remember the url, but there is a google maps that autogenerates with the known nodes somewhere
1549 2011-04-17 18:00:53 <BlueMatt> kinda cool to see current node locations
1550 2011-04-17 18:01:13 <BlueMatt> http://maps.google.com/maps?q=https://smsz.net/btcStats/bitcoin.kml
1551 2011-04-17 18:02:25 <BlueMatt> holy shit the number of nodes has like trippled or more since I last looked at that map
1552 2011-04-17 18:03:01 <grbgout> BlueMatt: awesome, thanks.
1553 2011-04-17 18:03:03 <BlueMatt> ha found my node :)
1554 2011-04-17 18:03:04 <Diablo-D3> http://www.boingboing.net/2011/04/17/zero-punctuation-cos.html
1555 2011-04-17 18:03:27 <Blitzboom> weâre growing
1556 2011-04-17 18:03:45 <BlueMatt> "total_known":7658
1557 2011-04-17 18:03:51 <BlueMatt> nodes
1558 2011-04-17 18:04:11 <Blitzboom> gavin estimated that 5-15k people use bitcoin
1559 2011-04-17 18:04:28 <lulzplzkthx> thank you BlueMatt
1560 2011-04-17 18:04:33 <Blitzboom> really, i value vendors accepting bitcoins more
1561 2011-04-17 18:04:39 <Blitzboom> we must create steady demand
1562 2011-04-17 18:04:43 <BlueMatt> I agree
1563 2011-04-17 18:04:44 <lulzplzkthx> wow, there's a good number actually
1564 2011-04-17 18:04:51 <Blitzboom> thatâs the highest priority in establishing a currency
1565 2011-04-17 18:04:53 <BlueMatt> but still, more users is always better
1566 2011-04-17 18:05:01 <grbgout> BlueMatt: what do the green ones mean?
1567 2011-04-17 18:05:17 <BlueMatt> forum thread:
1568 2011-04-17 18:05:17 <BlueMatt> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2346.0
1569 2011-04-17 18:05:21 <grbgout> thanks
1570 2011-04-17 18:05:22 <BlueMatt> green = firewall configured
1571 2011-04-17 18:05:32 <BlueMatt> red firewall not configured or node down
1572 2011-04-17 18:05:35 <grbgout> meaning it lets connections?
1573 2011-04-17 18:05:36 <grbgout> gotchya
1574 2011-04-17 18:06:04 <grbgout> hmm, I don't think my node is on there :(
1575 2011-04-17 18:06:22 <grbgout> 53 connections :\
1576 2011-04-17 18:06:58 <lulzplzkthx> mine either.
1577 2011-04-17 18:07:05 <BlueMatt> dont know how often that updates
1578 2011-04-17 18:07:08 <grbgout> oh, no, I'm on there. It's just no where near where I actually am.
1579 2011-04-17 18:07:20 <BlueMatt> also, my node if off the location by quite a bit, so it might take a bit of looking
1580 2011-04-17 18:07:28 <grbgout> ^
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1582 2011-04-17 18:07:45 <lulzplzkthx> this was only ~4 months ago: http://geo.magicaltux.net/bitcoin.png
1583 2011-04-17 18:07:55 <lulzplzkthx> oh eah, i forgot, they usually place me in Livonia o.o
1584 2011-04-17 18:08:00 <grbgout> I wonder if I could find the people in my area, and we could setup a sort of bitcoin users group, or something to try and get merchants in our area to accept them.
1585 2011-04-17 18:08:15 <BlueMatt> damn we have grown
1586 2011-04-17 18:08:26 <lulzplzkthx> merchants in your area...
1587 2011-04-17 18:08:29 <grbgout> ! two in hawaii!
1588 2011-04-17 18:08:32 <lulzplzkthx> so i was thinking about a credit card for bitcoin
1589 2011-04-17 18:08:40 <lulzplzkthx> all it would be is a magnetic strip with your private / public keypair.
1590 2011-04-17 18:08:46 <BlueMatt> funny that at that time we had mostly green nodes, now people dont know how to use their firewall
1591 2011-04-17 18:08:49 <lulzplzkthx> and software on the reading device of course.
1592 2011-04-17 18:09:17 <grbgout> lulzplzkthx: I had the same thought, but sending out a pricate key like that into the wild is very dangerous. It's very easy to rip that data from a CC
1593 2011-04-17 18:09:21 <BlueMatt> posting your private key to a magnetic reader is a terrible idea
1594 2011-04-17 18:09:24 <grbgout> I'm thinking smartcards.
1595 2011-04-17 18:09:29 <grbgout> BlueMatt: exactly
1596 2011-04-17 18:09:31 <BlueMatt> damn keep getting beaten by grbgout
1597 2011-04-17 18:09:38 <grbgout> you know you like it
1598 2011-04-17 18:09:41 <grbgout> squeel for me
1599 2011-04-17 18:09:41 <lulzplzkthx> found me.
1600 2011-04-17 18:09:52 <grbgout> squeal*
1601 2011-04-17 18:10:00 <lulzplzkthx> Yes. Yes it is.
1602 2011-04-17 18:10:05 <lulzplzkthx> It's the same way credit cards work though.
1603 2011-04-17 18:10:12 <grbgout> not quite
1604 2011-04-17 18:10:19 <lulzplzkthx> Do explain, please.
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1606 2011-04-17 18:11:12 <lulzplzkthx> By the way, what is the legality of lottery sites for BTC in the US, does anyone know?
1607 2011-04-17 18:11:15 <lulzplzkthx> Does it count as a gambling site?
1608 2011-04-17 18:11:20 <grbgout> well, they don't send out the equivalent of the private key on the card. It's really a different worl, since yes, you can duplicate CCs, but the information to generate new numbers (the series of 4 digits) isn't embedded on the card itself.
1609 2011-04-17 18:11:27 <BlueMatt> credit cards have some protection in that if you start going crazy and buying in zimabwe your cc company will shut it off
1610 2011-04-17 18:11:45 <grbgout> world*
1611 2011-04-17 18:11:45 <lulzplzkthx> BlueMatt: you can also transfer your funds from one account to another.
1612 2011-04-17 18:12:04 <lulzplzkthx> Then could we find some kind of solution?
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1614 2011-04-17 18:12:21 <lulzplzkthx> Becuase I think if we can make credit cards for Bitcoin, it would be cool to have actual sales for BTC, like in real life.
1615 2011-04-17 18:12:24 <lulzplzkthx> Not just on the internet.
1616 2011-04-17 18:12:25 <grbgout> I think CCs are the wrong way to go as far as key signing is concerned, maybe something with smart cards: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_card
1617 2011-04-17 18:12:57 <grbgout> lulzplzkthx: yes, point of sale is a big topic in BTC, there are many ideas floating around. The most likely has been smart phones combined with QR codes
1618 2011-04-17 18:13:06 <grbgout> check the forum, I know there are a few discussions there
1619 2011-04-17 18:13:16 ArtForzZz is now known as ArtForz
1620 2011-04-17 18:13:27 <lulzplzkthx> Okay, I will.
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1622 2011-04-17 18:13:39 <lulzplzkthx> Oh neat.
1623 2011-04-17 18:13:44 <ArtForz> bluematt: so a workaround for a deeply flawed system is a feature now?
1624 2011-04-17 18:14:04 <BlueMatt> ArtForz: what?
1625 2011-04-17 18:14:08 <BlueMatt> oh you mean ccs
1626 2011-04-17 18:14:12 <ArtForz> yep
1627 2011-04-17 18:14:33 <BlueMatt> well yea ccs are a terrible system, but posting a private key on a cc is slightly worse
1628 2011-04-17 18:15:10 <ArtForz> yea
1629 2011-04-17 18:15:16 <lulzplzkthx> I wonder if we could get Google to support Bitcoins as a currency on the Android Market...
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1631 2011-04-17 18:15:34 <mssssm> ArtForz: which kind of miner do you use? pyopencl?
1632 2011-04-17 18:15:36 <BlueMatt> lulzplzkthx: I think we might need to grow a ton before google does that
1633 2011-04-17 18:15:45 <ArtForz> nope, custom CAL IL miner
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1635 2011-04-17 18:15:46 <lulzplzkthx> I think so too
1636 2011-04-17 18:15:48 <lulzplzkthx> But it'd be nice.
1637 2011-04-17 18:16:03 <grbgout> There's already an insider at google.
1638 2011-04-17 18:16:08 <lulzplzkthx> Really?
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1640 2011-04-17 18:16:13 <ArtForz> imo mobile app makes most sense
1641 2011-04-17 18:16:16 <grbgout> In fact, his independent project is how I found bitcoins.
1642 2011-04-17 18:16:29 <lulzplzkthx> grbgout: link?
1643 2011-04-17 18:16:31 <grbgout> ArtForz: I agree, but I still want to investigate the smartcard approach.
1644 2011-04-17 18:16:35 <ArtForz> sure, you *could* create a smartcard+terminal, but thats a LOT of work and resources for little gain
1645 2011-04-17 18:16:38 <BlueMatt> lulzplzkthx: TD / [mike]
1646 2011-04-17 18:16:51 <nanotube> ;;sl bitcoinj
1647 2011-04-17 18:16:52 <BlueMatt> goes by TD on here, [mike] on the forums
1648 2011-04-17 18:16:52 <gribble> http://code.google.com/p/bitcoinj/ | BitCoinJ implements the native BitCoin P2P protocol, which allows it to maintain a wallet and send/receive transactions without needing a local copy of the ...
1649 2011-04-17 18:16:53 <ArtForz> doing ECDSA in a 8-bit micro isn't exactly that hard
1650 2011-04-17 18:16:55 <nanotube> lulzplzkthx: ^
1651 2011-04-17 18:16:55 <lulzplzkthx> TD is the insider? He lent me 2 BTC, I like him.
1652 2011-04-17 18:16:57 <grbgout> lulzplzkthx: he's an employee for google, and in his spare time (as you know google permits) he wrote a client for bitcoin.
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1654 2011-04-17 18:17:20 <BlueMatt> 20% time
1655 2011-04-17 18:17:25 <lulzplzkthx> There's already a BitcoinDroid.
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1659 2011-04-17 18:17:45 <lulzplzkthx> Hmm... I think we need an easy wallet syncing service. :\
1660 2011-04-17 18:17:56 <grbgout> I dunno...
1661 2011-04-17 18:18:03 <sipa> lulzplzkthx: define wallet syncing?
1662 2011-04-17 18:18:03 <lulzplzkthx> grbgout: if you want it for a phone.
1663 2011-04-17 18:18:13 <BlueMatt> I prefer rpc clients everywhere
1664 2011-04-17 18:18:13 <grbgout> I like having to manually move money around between addresses.
1665 2011-04-17 18:18:21 <BlueMatt> + mybitcoin getting an rpc ui
1666 2011-04-17 18:18:31 <lulzplzkthx> Yeah, but see I won't use mybitcoin
1667 2011-04-17 18:18:31 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: not RPC, RPC is not usable for clients
1668 2011-04-17 18:18:43 <lulzplzkthx> I don't want to use a central authority, and there's other issues with it.
1669 2011-04-17 18:18:44 <witten> lulzplzkthx: why sync a wallet when you can just send money between wallets?
1670 2011-04-17 18:18:46 <BlueMatt> ok well rpc-like protocol everywhere
1671 2011-04-17 18:18:47 <grbgout> luke-jr: jgarzik's binary protocol, perhaps?
1672 2011-04-17 18:18:50 <lulzplzkthx> witten: Good point.
1673 2011-04-17 18:18:55 <lulzplzkthx> I wasn't really thinking, suppose.
1674 2011-04-17 18:18:56 <luke-jr> grbgout: that's strictly for mining
1675 2011-04-17 18:19:05 <luke-jr> grbgout: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Wallet_protocol
1676 2011-04-17 18:19:07 <grbgout> luke-jr: a variation, then, strictly for POS?
1677 2011-04-17 18:19:08 <lulzplzkthx> Well, apart from the fact that that can take a long time (60 minutes to be totally confirmed?)
1678 2011-04-17 18:19:22 <BlueMatt> lulzplzkthx: you dont have to use mybitcoin, just host your own wallet somewhere though
1679 2011-04-17 18:19:24 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: you can run a bitcoin wallet at home, and access it using the same protocol
1680 2011-04-17 18:19:33 <sipa> lulzplzkthx: i'm working on a patch to let you export part of a wallet and import it elsewhere
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1682 2011-04-17 18:19:46 <witten> lulzplzkthx: any application that is used for point of sale on a smart phone would have to solve the instant transfer problem anyway
1683 2011-04-17 18:19:47 <BlueMatt> lulzplzkthx: for small txes, one confirmation is reasonable
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1687 2011-04-17 18:20:04 <sipa> and use the same key in several nodes, if you're careful
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1689 2011-04-17 18:20:08 <luke-jr> witten: 0 confirmations is about as good as credit card verification
1690 2011-04-17 18:20:13 <BlueMatt> maybe two, but for larger ones you should wait the full 6 confirmations
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1692 2011-04-17 18:20:20 <grbgout> meh, why though? All the wallet exporting, when creating a new, independent, wallet and address is so trivial and inexpensive? Then just send money to the new address. Treat your phone like a debit card.
1693 2011-04-17 18:20:50 <witten> luke-jr: credit card verification is better than 0 confirmations because, while fraud is possible, at least it confirms that you have enough money in your account (not "double spending")
1694 2011-04-17 18:20:53 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: not really...but both suck so much why argue?
1695 2011-04-17 18:20:57 <luke-jr> grbgout: a debit card can be blocked
1696 2011-04-17 18:21:02 <lulzplzkthx> BlueMatt: I kind of do / plan on it.
1697 2011-04-17 18:21:09 <lulzplzkthx> sipa: Let me know how it goes.
1698 2011-04-17 18:21:11 <grbgout> luke-jr: debit card was an analogy.
1699 2011-04-17 18:21:25 <lulzplzkthx> BlueMatt: I agree. Oh, also think about taxes.
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1701 2011-04-17 18:21:35 <lulzplzkthx> The fee could add up if you have to move between wallets constantly.
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1703 2011-04-17 18:22:04 <luke-jr> witten: you need money in your account to double-spend
1704 2011-04-17 18:22:08 <lulzplzkthx> I feel like it's kind of defining a set size for My Documents/ My Videos/ My Music/ My Pictures/, and constantly having to move it around too
1705 2011-04-17 18:22:13 <lulzplzkthx> just the whole idea of it ^
1706 2011-04-17 18:22:13 witten has left ("Client exiting")
1707 2011-04-17 18:22:22 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: lol
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1709 2011-04-17 18:22:49 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr windows * r2eec137962f3 spesmilo/main.py: Workaround PySide/Windows bug (it's prepending args with python.exe) http://tinyurl.com/69cre95
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1711 2011-04-17 18:24:30 <lulzplzkthx> ;bcc 5000
1712 2011-04-17 18:24:36 <lulzplzkthx> ffff
1713 2011-04-17 18:24:53 <sipa> ;;bc,calc 5000
1714 2011-04-17 18:24:54 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 5000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 2 years, 12 weeks, 4 days, 16 hours, 48 minutes, and 45 seconds
1715 2011-04-17 18:24:58 <lulzplzkthx> thanks sipa.
1716 2011-04-17 18:27:41 <dbitcoin> ;;bc,stats
1717 2011-04-17 18:27:43 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118856 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 87 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 12 hours, 22 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92556.55367109
1718 2011-04-17 18:29:48 <mssssm> ;;bc,calc 77000
1719 2011-04-17 18:29:49 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 77000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 7 weeks, 4 days, 3 hours, 53 minutes, and 48 seconds
1720 2011-04-17 18:29:55 <mssssm> ;;bc,calc 77000000
1721 2011-04-17 18:29:55 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 77000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 1 hour, 16 minutes, and 33 seconds
1722 2011-04-17 18:30:17 <sipa> mssssm: nobody has 77Ghash/s ;)
1723 2011-04-17 18:30:21 <sipa> ... probably
1724 2011-04-17 18:30:44 <mssssm> Fastra III with ATI cards
1725 2011-04-17 18:30:44 <BlueMatt> thats most of the network
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1727 2011-04-17 18:30:57 <sipa> that's 10% of the network :)
1728 2011-04-17 18:31:27 <BlueMatt> oops my bad
1729 2011-04-17 18:31:35 <mssssm> i get about 77Mhash/s, that's not really much :/
1730 2011-04-17 18:31:47 <grbgout> >_<
1731 2011-04-17 18:31:52 <grbgout> I get 21Mhash/s
1732 2011-04-17 18:31:58 <sipa> mssssm: it's reasonable for a GPU
1733 2011-04-17 18:32:25 <mssssm> ArtForz, how much Ghash/s do you get?
1734 2011-04-17 18:32:59 <ArtForz> what? total?
1735 2011-04-17 18:33:25 <mssssm> yup
1736 2011-04-17 18:33:33 <mssssm> 19.2?
1737 2011-04-17 18:34:20 <ArtForz> about twice that
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1739 2011-04-17 18:34:33 <ArtForz> in ~3-4 weeks, about 60Gh/s
1740 2011-04-17 18:34:45 <BlueMatt> getting more asics?
1741 2011-04-17 18:34:46 <mssssm> are you gonna buy even more cards?
1742 2011-04-17 18:34:51 <ArtForz> yeah
1743 2011-04-17 18:34:59 <BlueMatt> asics or cards?
1744 2011-04-17 18:35:01 <ArtForz> more asics coming in in ~2.5wks
1745 2011-04-17 18:35:14 <dleary> does every bitcoin "install" eventually contain a complete transaction log of all transactions?
1746 2011-04-17 18:35:15 <mssssm> do you have your own company running?
1747 2011-04-17 18:35:21 <ArtForz> yup
1748 2011-04-17 18:35:33 <mssssm> name?
1749 2011-04-17 18:35:34 <sipa> dleary: currently, yes
1750 2011-04-17 18:35:57 <nanotube> ArtForz: heh nice.
1751 2011-04-17 18:36:22 <mssssm> i got an own company too, but it doesn't generate so much money (yet)
1752 2011-04-17 18:36:57 <dleary> sipa: I think your wording "currently" might answer my question... My bitcoin dir is 200MB right now... What happens when the complete transaction log would be several GB or more?
1753 2011-04-17 18:37:18 <ArtForz> you mean it made less than about -$50k ? :P
1754 2011-04-17 18:38:09 <sipa> dleary: then you'll need serveral GB
1755 2011-04-17 18:38:53 <sipa> dleary: but 1) certain old transactions can be pruned from the on-disk logs (not yet implemented) and 2) a thin client mode may be implemented that only stores your own tx'es
1756 2011-04-17 18:39:18 <mssssm> ArtForz, what do you mean with mines 50k?
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1758 2011-04-17 18:39:20 <mssssm> minus*
1759 2011-04-17 18:39:39 <dleary> sipa: thanks
1760 2011-04-17 18:40:35 <[Noodles]> mssssm: it needs investments to get a high Gh/s, want 60Gh/s too? invest some $50k
1761 2011-04-17 18:40:51 <nanotube> mssssm: it means he's currenty 50k in the red.
1762 2011-04-17 18:41:10 <nanotube> dleary: and 3) disk space is cheap these days and getting cheaper every day.
1763 2011-04-17 18:41:11 <ArtForz> well, excluding resale value of the GPUs
1764 2011-04-17 18:42:05 <phantomcircuit> i still think the time to start a new node is prohibitive
1765 2011-04-17 18:44:14 <ArtForz> ... why?
1766 2011-04-17 18:44:17 <jgarzik> grbgout, luke-jr: my binary protocol is --not-- strictly for mining. Read the forum thread, or even just the title of the forum thread: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=3493.0
1767 2011-04-17 18:44:30 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: so download the blockchain from bitcoin.bluematt.me
1768 2011-04-17 18:44:59 <BlueMatt> though I agree that thin clients need to happen
1769 2011-04-17 18:45:00 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, then i have to trust you
1770 2011-04-17 18:45:09 <BlueMatt> but I cant resist the chance to pimp the site :)
1771 2011-04-17 18:46:00 <mssssm> BlueMatt, do you need mirrors?
1772 2011-04-17 18:46:17 <BlueMatt> mssssm: Ive got two atm so I think I'm ok, but thanks for the offer
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1776 2011-04-17 18:47:28 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: downloading a compressed block chain, then unpacking and verifying (importing) it, should be faster than downloading piecemeal from network
1777 2011-04-17 18:47:41 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: P2P proto isn't made for bulk downloading
1778 2011-04-17 18:48:13 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, the p2p proto isn't actually that bad for bulk download
1779 2011-04-17 18:48:31 <ArtForz> the current impl is just... slow
1780 2011-04-17 18:49:24 <mssssm> meh, bitcoin faucet is down
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1782 2011-04-17 18:52:53 <jgarzik> sure things can be changed to make it faster, but that's still strapping a jet pack onto a pig. P2P protocol wasn't built and optimized for bulk download. Given the right patch (i.e. -initblocks, or similar), import from local disk is faster and more reliable. The initial block download has more points of failure, and is very prone to looooong pauses.
1783 2011-04-17 18:53:23 <mssssm> anyone mind donating me 0.05 bitcoins?
1784 2011-04-17 18:53:31 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: hence official blockchain inclusion in the installer might be helpful
1785 2011-04-17 18:53:41 <BlueMatt> optional of course
1786 2011-04-17 18:53:42 <jgarzik> yep
1787 2011-04-17 18:54:03 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, there's nothing inherently slow about the p2p protocol
1788 2011-04-17 18:54:07 <phantomcircuit> except the 500 block limit
1789 2011-04-17 18:55:13 <ArtForz> and the little part that it requests blocks one by one after that...
1790 2011-04-17 18:55:43 <phantomcircuit> it does?
1791 2011-04-17 18:55:47 <ArtForz> yeah
1792 2011-04-17 18:55:49 <phantomcircuit> there's no reason for that
1793 2011-04-17 18:55:51 <ArtForz> getblocks -> inv with 500 block hashes -> 500 getdata requests -> 500 blocks
1794 2011-04-17 18:55:58 <phantomcircuit> rofl
1795 2011-04-17 18:56:02 <phantomcircuit> that's retarded
1796 2011-04-17 18:56:06 <ArtForz> yep
1797 2011-04-17 18:56:40 <phantomcircuit> although i doubt it's the main cause of the slow down
1798 2011-04-17 18:56:46 <ArtForz> it actually kinda is
1799 2011-04-17 18:56:53 <phantomcircuit> really?
1800 2011-04-17 18:56:54 <phantomcircuit> why
1801 2011-04-17 18:57:02 <ArtForz> playing with that stuff with the bython network code is pretty simple
1802 2011-04-17 18:57:06 <ArtForz> *python
1803 2011-04-17 18:57:27 <phantomcircuit> the expensive part is clearly verifying the block chain
1804 2011-04-17 18:57:33 <witten> ArtForz: you have your own custom mining software?
1805 2011-04-17 18:57:40 <ArtForz> witten: yea
1806 2011-04-17 18:57:43 <ArtForz> not *that* expensive
1807 2011-04-17 18:58:04 <ArtForz> sure, it takes a few minutes on a decent box, but not 2 hours...
1808 2011-04-17 18:58:06 <witten> ArtForz: do you prioritize transactions by transaction fee for inclusion in a block?
1809 2011-04-17 18:58:45 <ArtForz> witten: ... kinda
1810 2011-04-17 18:58:51 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, well for my client at least the expensive part is committing the blocks to disk
1811 2011-04-17 18:58:54 <grbgout> jgarzik: he said it was strictly for mining, not me. I suggested it initially because I thought it would work well for smartphones: but I must concede to not having looked at your work in detail.
1812 2011-04-17 18:59:16 <witten> ArtForz: only kinda?
1813 2011-04-17 18:59:20 <bd_> phantomcircuit: You're not syncing (or txn committing) after each block, are you?
1814 2011-04-17 18:59:24 <ArtForz> witten: yeah
1815 2011-04-17 18:59:40 <witten> ArtForz: is that because transaction fees are currently too low to bother much?
1816 2011-04-17 18:59:43 <phantomcircuit> bd_, every 500
1817 2011-04-17 19:00:03 <bd_> phantomcircuit: Hmm. I take it updating the transaction database is probably your bottleneck?
1818 2011-04-17 19:00:17 <phantomcircuit> i forget lemme check
1819 2011-04-17 19:00:56 <bd_> How many unspent transactions remain these days, I wonder...
1820 2011-04-17 19:01:05 <bd_> Or well, are extant at any given time
1821 2011-04-17 19:02:03 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,stats
1822 2011-04-17 19:02:04 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118856 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 87 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 12 hours, 22 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92556.55367109
1823 2011-04-17 19:02:25 <bd_> Doesn't really say how many CTxOuts are left unspent though :)
1824 2011-04-17 19:03:08 <bd_> that said though if you're spending too much time on seeking when updating the txn database, one option would be to completely rewrite the txn file on commit
1825 2011-04-17 19:03:32 <phantomcircuit> bd_, currently the problem with my client is that it doesn't start downloading the block chain until it's gotten one that's unconnected
1826 2011-04-17 19:03:42 <bd_> That is, keep an in-memory record of added/spent transactions, then do a merge operation with the (sorted) on-disk records to write out a new file without seeking
1827 2011-04-17 19:03:42 <phantomcircuit> so
1828 2011-04-17 19:03:45 <bd_> hm?
1829 2011-04-17 19:03:47 <phantomcircuit> someone generate a block already
1830 2011-04-17 19:04:15 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: it never happens when you want it too (a watched clock never ticks)
1831 2011-04-17 19:04:39 <phantomcircuit> lol
1832 2011-04-17 19:04:58 <phantomcircuit> yeah my client doesn't have an initial download mode
1833 2011-04-17 19:05:19 <phantomcircuit> i removed the logic after i infinite looped someones node
1834 2011-04-17 19:05:20 <phantomcircuit> lol
1835 2011-04-17 19:05:39 <mssssm> anyone mind donating me 0.05 bitcoins because the faucet is down?
1836 2011-04-17 19:05:43 <mssssm> 16AonN7qvCd3KzTbbHhqX581MZoTpckj8j
1837 2011-04-17 19:06:26 <mssssm> thanks
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1840 2011-04-17 19:12:08 <mssssm> silence?
1841 2011-04-17 19:12:20 <nanotube> free money is hard to come by ;)
1842 2011-04-17 19:12:50 <mssssm> yea, I gonna register at the forums and look for a job
1843 2011-04-17 19:13:34 <Xer> soo, wonder how long gpu mining will last now that asic chips are getting closer
1844 2011-04-17 19:14:14 <phantomcircuit> nanotube, no it's not
1845 2011-04-17 19:14:18 <phantomcircuit> it's hard to leave with though
1846 2011-04-17 19:14:24 <nanotube> hah
1847 2011-04-17 19:14:52 <phantomcircuit> i tell people pretty often
1848 2011-04-17 19:15:02 <phantomcircuit> i could steal more money in a day than i could earn in my entire life
1849 2011-04-17 19:15:08 <phantomcircuit> the trouble would be the 30 years in prison
1850 2011-04-17 19:15:58 <nanotube> well, steal implies successful getaway. otherwise it's not robbery, but 'attempted robbery' :)
1851 2011-04-17 19:16:10 <phantomcircuit> lol
1852 2011-04-17 19:16:33 <phantomcircuit> nanotube, i could easily steal successfully more money than i could earn legitimately in my entire life in a shrot period of time
1853 2011-04-17 19:16:37 <phantomcircuit> that trouble would be spending it
1854 2011-04-17 19:16:52 <nanotube> phantomcircuit: bitcoin4cash to the rescue. :)
1855 2011-04-17 19:16:54 <nanotube> haha
1856 2011-04-17 19:16:57 <phantomcircuit> lol
1857 2011-04-17 19:17:01 <phantomcircuit> yeah that wouldn't work
1858 2011-04-17 19:17:10 <phantomcircuit> the trouble would be explaining away instant wealth
1859 2011-04-17 19:17:18 <Xer> not realy
1860 2011-04-17 19:17:19 <Xer> just
1861 2011-04-17 19:17:23 <Xer> "im going on vacation"
1862 2011-04-17 19:17:26 <Xer> then just disapera
1863 2011-04-17 19:17:35 <phantomcircuit> no thanks
1864 2011-04-17 19:18:10 <Xer> besides that its not going to be possible to explain it
1865 2011-04-17 19:18:26 <phantomcircuit> Xer, money laundering
1866 2011-04-17 19:18:28 <phantomcircuit> but still
1867 2011-04-17 19:18:32 <phantomcircuit> i have a big mouth
1868 2011-04-17 19:18:32 <phantomcircuit> so
1869 2011-04-17 19:18:35 <phantomcircuit> not gonna happen
1870 2011-04-17 19:18:48 <luke-jr> jgarzik: ok, mining and mining-like things -.-
1871 2011-04-17 19:19:58 <Xer> ;;bc,calc 640000
1872 2011-04-17 19:19:58 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 640000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 6 days, 9 hours, 30 minutes, and 22 seconds
1873 2011-04-17 19:20:13 <Xer> hrmpf quite slow
1874 2011-04-17 19:20:53 <Xer> so, anyone know the average hashrate for a miner on the network?
1875 2011-04-17 19:21:19 <nanotube> phantomcircuit: just don't be profligate with it... and you'd be fine.
1876 2011-04-17 19:21:24 <luke-jr> we know the total.
1877 2011-04-17 19:21:35 <luke-jr> average would mean finding the number of miners
1878 2011-04-17 19:21:40 <luke-jr> IMO impractical
1879 2011-04-17 19:21:42 <Xer> no rough estimation of how many miners exists on teh network?
1880 2011-04-17 19:21:48 <Xer> ah
1881 2011-04-17 19:22:11 <phantomcircuit> nanotube, yeah that would be problematic
1882 2011-04-17 19:22:49 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr windows * r02d9a606b405 spesmilo/main.py: append tonal font to default font list, for platforms that don't do their own automatic fallback for missing characters http://tinyurl.com/3cardls
1883 2011-04-17 19:24:46 <Xer> hrm by only using slush pool statistics its 0.0939835982 Ghash per connected worker
1884 2011-04-17 19:25:01 <Xer> but that dosnt realy say mutch
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1886 2011-04-17 19:25:27 <jgarzik> luke-jr: monitorblocks is for transaction processing by websites; absolutely nothing to do with mining.
1887 2011-04-17 19:27:35 <luke-jr> jgarzik: it's a unidirectional stream.
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1897 2011-04-17 19:40:34 <lulzplzkthx> Just posted a thread about my new raffle / lottery.
1898 2011-04-17 19:40:41 <lulzplzkthx> Nothing new or fancy. :]
1899 2011-04-17 19:41:47 <Blitzboom> that must be the third now
1900 2011-04-17 19:41:55 <lulzplzkthx> Something like that.
1901 2011-04-17 19:42:06 <lulzplzkthx> I was just bored last night. If you think it's repetitive / redundant / stupid, don't use it.
1902 2011-04-17 19:42:29 <Blitzboom> itâs fine, iâd just rather see some actual merchants accepting bitcoin
1903 2011-04-17 19:42:47 <lulzplzkthx> I as well. I've been asking them.
1904 2011-04-17 19:42:52 <lulzplzkthx> I asked reddit, and plan on asking others.
1905 2011-04-17 19:43:10 <BlueMatt> Maybe write a wrapper? ie go to amazon click buy, it proxies it through you automatically
1906 2011-04-17 19:43:18 <BlueMatt> not easy, but not impossible
1907 2011-04-17 19:43:28 <lulzplzkthx> It has 16 upvotes on reddit in the suggestion forum.
1908 2011-04-17 19:43:31 <Blitzboom> make sure you donât miss out on the advantages for them: no chargebacks, transaction fees â¦
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1910 2011-04-17 19:44:10 <BlueMatt> simplicity of accepting from people in zimbabwe/other countries with unuseable currency
1911 2011-04-17 19:45:02 <kiba> hello
1912 2011-04-17 19:45:06 <BlueMatt> hi
1913 2011-04-17 19:48:23 <mssssm> ;;bc,calc 77000
1914 2011-04-17 19:48:24 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 77000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 7 weeks, 4 days, 3 hours, 53 minutes, and 48 seconds
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1916 2011-04-17 19:51:05 <kiba> hmm
1917 2011-04-17 19:51:11 <kiba> I am in kinda bad situation here
1918 2011-04-17 19:51:23 <mssssm> hi
1919 2011-04-17 19:51:25 <ducki2p> what's up kiba
1920 2011-04-17 19:51:30 * kiba is probably going to get kick out of the house
1921 2011-04-17 19:51:33 * kiba is unemployed
1922 2011-04-17 19:51:40 <mssssm> how old are you?
1923 2011-04-17 19:51:45 <kiba> twenty years old
1924 2011-04-17 19:51:51 <kiba> just turned 20
1925 2011-04-17 19:51:57 <kiba> and been a bum since high school
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1927 2011-04-17 19:52:02 <BlueMatt> no college?
1928 2011-04-17 19:52:20 <kiba> going to college but I think I am going to flunk
1929 2011-04-17 19:52:33 <BlueMatt> ...and flunking == kicked out
1930 2011-04-17 19:52:41 <BlueMatt> ?
1931 2011-04-17 19:52:50 <kiba> pretty much
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1933 2011-04-17 19:53:01 <kiba> so...what to do? hmm.
1934 2011-04-17 19:53:04 <BlueMatt> sucks
1935 2011-04-17 19:53:10 <BlueMatt> not flunk?
1936 2011-04-17 19:53:18 <kiba> can't change that
1937 2011-04-17 19:53:27 <kiba> so I have to do something else
1938 2011-04-17 19:53:31 <sipa> what are you studying?
1939 2011-04-17 19:53:44 <kiba> sipa: regular college stuff
1940 2011-04-17 19:53:59 <BlueMatt> not sure that is a major
1941 2011-04-17 19:54:09 <kiba> computer science
1942 2011-04-17 19:54:15 <kiba> in any case
1943 2011-04-17 19:54:22 <BlueMatt> ah, what class you flunking?
1944 2011-04-17 19:54:28 <kiba> I put myself in this kind of situation and now I have to figure out how to get out of it
1945 2011-04-17 19:54:34 <kiba> BlueMatt: I have to drop classes
1946 2011-04-17 19:54:41 <kiba> so not really flunking
1947 2011-04-17 19:54:53 <BlueMatt> and your parents care about dropping classes?
1948 2011-04-17 19:55:23 <kiba> dunno, but they're going to care once they find out that I didn't get the scholarship money I need for next semester
1949 2011-04-17 19:55:53 <BlueMatt> ah, so money is the problem
1950 2011-04-17 19:56:04 <kiba> anyway..gottach figure out how to get money
1951 2011-04-17 19:56:06 <BlueMatt> well then I suppose your only solution is to get a temp job to pay for that
1952 2011-04-17 19:56:17 <kiba> freelance, whatever
1953 2011-04-17 19:56:24 <lulzplzkthx> kiba: GAMBLE!
1954 2011-04-17 19:56:36 <kiba> no..
1955 2011-04-17 19:56:42 <lulzplzkthx> You have to get lucky sometime... probability says so... right?
1956 2011-04-17 19:56:42 <kiba> taht's the worst solution to the problem
1957 2011-04-17 19:57:12 <kiba> I don't count on luck
1958 2011-04-17 19:57:56 <ducki2p> become a bitcoin merchant automation expert
1959 2011-04-17 19:58:30 <ducki2p> you already have the reputation for it
1960 2011-04-17 19:58:58 <ducki2p> and probably the skills too
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1962 2011-04-17 19:59:45 <kiba> dunno
1963 2011-04-17 19:59:50 <kiba> people not hiring me for some reason
1964 2011-04-17 19:59:55 <kiba> I am just a twenty years old nothing
1965 2011-04-17 20:00:01 <TD_> kiba: you're 20?
1966 2011-04-17 20:00:06 <kiba> yes
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1969 2011-04-17 20:00:18 <TD> huh, i always assumed you were much older
1970 2011-04-17 20:00:23 <BlueMatt> TD assumes people are of a reasonable age...
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1972 2011-04-17 20:00:30 <BlueMatt> funny how that works
1973 2011-04-17 20:00:45 <lulzplzkthx> TD: Thank you for lending me that BTC, i sent it back. I fell asleep last night x.x
1974 2011-04-17 20:00:52 <kiba> for some reason, jobs fail to materialize after I done work for noagendamarket
1975 2011-04-17 20:01:07 <TD> lulzplzkthx: heh thanks :)
1976 2011-04-17 20:01:18 <TD> kiba: getting work through a community as small as bitcoin is hard
1977 2011-04-17 20:01:26 <kiba> thus, the bitcoin economy can't support freelancer like me
1978 2011-04-17 20:01:34 <BlueMatt> TD: my age?
1979 2011-04-17 20:01:35 <TD> but don't worry about it. at the rate this is growing if you stick around and prove yourself you'll have loads of work
1980 2011-04-17 20:01:44 <TD> BlueMatt: erm. i sort of imagined you as 32 ish
1981 2011-04-17 20:01:48 <TD> far off?
1982 2011-04-17 20:01:50 <BlueMatt> 18
1983 2011-04-17 20:01:55 <kiba> TD: assuming I am not dead in the water
1984 2011-04-17 20:01:56 <Blitzboom> haha
1985 2011-04-17 20:01:59 <BlueMatt> not even have my high school diploma
1986 2011-04-17 20:02:03 <ducki2p> when I was in college I made a decent income doing e-gold automation
1987 2011-04-17 20:02:06 <TD> well at least i was in the right century
1988 2011-04-17 20:02:10 <lulzplzkthx> TD should just guess everyone's age.
1989 2011-04-17 20:02:10 <BlueMatt> well in a couple months
1990 2011-04-17 20:02:29 <TD> kiba: well yes. don't die. that would be bad.
1991 2011-04-17 20:02:34 <lulzplzkthx> And then we could make a betting game out of it... xD BlueMatt
1992 2011-04-17 20:02:36 <lulzplzkthx> Blitzboom: *
1993 2011-04-17 20:02:41 <kiba> TD: or my computer got stolen
1994 2011-04-17 20:02:46 <TD> kiba: FWIW when I was taking part in the Wine project it took about a year before I was getting job offers and contracts through it
1995 2011-04-17 20:02:46 <kiba> that would be bad
1996 2011-04-17 20:02:48 <BlueMatt> sadly I know Blitzboom's
1997 2011-04-17 20:03:02 <TD> but there was already a company doing lots of commercial work in the community
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1999 2011-04-17 20:03:25 <TD> ClearWing might evolve into the equivalent for BitCoin
2000 2011-04-17 20:03:26 <TD> it's hard to say
2001 2011-04-17 20:03:38 <BlueMatt> clearwing?
2002 2011-04-17 20:03:40 <kiba> the fact of the matter is: I am about two weeks into oblivion
2003 2011-04-17 20:03:44 <Blitzboom> gavinâs company, BlueMatt
2004 2011-04-17 20:03:47 <BlueMatt> oh
2005 2011-04-17 20:04:03 <BlueMatt> has he said what they are doing yet?
2006 2011-04-17 20:04:06 <kiba> got a bitcoin job that pay me 4 BTC per week
2007 2011-04-17 20:04:11 <Blitzboom> well, heâs doing clearcoin
2008 2011-04-17 20:04:12 <TD> clearwing does clearcoin and the faucet
2009 2011-04-17 20:04:27 <Blitzboom> faucet too? nice
2010 2011-04-17 20:04:28 <kiba> which is clearly not enough
2011 2011-04-17 20:04:30 <TD> kiba: there's no social security where you live ?
2012 2011-04-17 20:04:32 <BlueMatt> ah so clearcoin is under a company?
2013 2011-04-17 20:04:37 <BlueMatt> nice
2014 2011-04-17 20:04:39 <kiba> TD: why would I want that?
2015 2011-04-17 20:04:50 <TD> oblivion is bad ?
2016 2011-04-17 20:04:56 <TD> or you don't mean financial oblivion
2017 2011-04-17 20:04:57 <kiba> true
2018 2011-04-17 20:05:04 <kiba> oblivion, homelessness
2019 2011-04-17 20:05:05 <kiba> whatever
2020 2011-04-17 20:05:17 <lulzplzkthx> Oblivion the game. He's two weeks in.
2021 2011-04-17 20:05:20 <lulzplzkthx> Haha
2022 2011-04-17 20:05:22 <BlueMatt> you could pull a Plato and do a cross-country road trip funded by the bitcoin community
2023 2011-04-17 20:05:33 <TD> yeah. i'd sign on if you didn't already.
2024 2011-04-17 20:05:35 <lulzplzkthx> It would have been funnier if he was upset because he was getting kicked out while he was two weeks in.
2025 2011-04-17 20:06:14 <kiba> I failed to get enough funding to start my automata-rts in a reasonable amount of time
2026 2011-04-17 20:06:24 <BlueMatt> kiba: never as bad as it seems, you should be able to find a computer-repair job or similar to atleast make ends meet until you get out of college
2027 2011-04-17 20:06:59 <kiba> don't know anything about computer-repair job
2028 2011-04-17 20:07:20 <kiba> but, I am not going to die without a fight
2029 2011-04-17 20:07:21 <BlueMatt> I think you should be able to get one as long as you are still studying comp sci
2030 2011-04-17 20:07:22 <kiba> that's for sure
2031 2011-04-17 20:07:38 <BlueMatt> or apple store or other crap like that
2032 2011-04-17 20:07:53 <BlueMatt> yea...shit job but everyone does it at some point
2033 2011-04-17 20:08:05 <lulzplzkthx> Computer repair isn't hard kiba
2034 2011-04-17 20:08:14 <lulzplzkthx> For the most part.
2035 2011-04-17 20:08:14 <kiba> I don't see any hiring around town...
2036 2011-04-17 20:08:25 <kiba> ok..
2037 2011-04-17 20:08:33 <BlueMatt> can always work at walmart...
2038 2011-04-17 20:08:37 <kiba> so, I know of one shop that does computer repair
2039 2011-04-17 20:08:40 <kiba> that's a good option too
2040 2011-04-17 20:08:52 <BlueMatt> just gotta go looking
2041 2011-04-17 20:09:45 <kiba> I am member of a freelance site
2042 2011-04-17 20:09:49 <kiba> elance
2043 2011-04-17 20:09:49 <ducki2p> how much do you need to make / month to sustain yourself?
2044 2011-04-17 20:09:51 <kiba> or whatever
2045 2011-04-17 20:09:58 <kiba> ducki2p: I don't know. But I need something
2046 2011-04-17 20:10:03 <kiba> anything
2047 2011-04-17 20:10:34 <ducki2p> how much would hiring you for a month cost me?
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2049 2011-04-17 20:10:48 <netxshare> on deepbit.net can you have more then one worked on the same account?
2050 2011-04-17 20:11:16 <netxshare> right now I have two computers on the same account running and it seems to be messing with my Mh/s
2051 2011-04-17 20:11:40 <BlueMatt> kiba: can you not convince your parents that if you make up the scholarship with a job you can stay there?
2052 2011-04-17 20:11:50 <lulzplzkthx> netxshare: yes. look at works in mY account
2053 2011-04-17 20:11:59 <lulzplzkthx> workers*
2054 2011-04-17 20:12:09 <lulzplzkthx> You should have a worker for each computer.
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2056 2011-04-17 20:12:23 <netxshare> okay so I just need to make a new one
2057 2011-04-17 20:12:25 <netxshare> thanks
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2059 2011-04-17 20:13:21 <netxshare> what is the Proportional payout?
2060 2011-04-17 20:14:20 <lulzplzkthx> I don't know anything about the payment methods, sorry.
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2068 2011-04-17 20:19:11 <kiba> BlueMatt: Possible option.
2069 2011-04-17 20:19:30 * kiba wonders how to divide his time
2070 2011-04-17 20:20:49 <kiba> but then I have to told them the "good news" is a lie..
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2072 2011-04-17 20:21:28 * kiba would talks to strangers for help rather than talk to parents for help
2073 2011-04-17 20:22:11 <BlueMatt> kiba: its always easier to ask a bunch of people who dont know you irl for advice than someone who you do know
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2087 2011-04-17 20:29:41 <lulzplzkthx> Anybody know anything about bitcoind freezing up?
2088 2011-04-17 20:30:01 <BlueMatt> lulzplzkthx: looked on the forums?
2089 2011-04-17 20:30:14 <BlueMatt> there was some talk about bad locks but Im not sure if those have been fixed
2090 2011-04-17 20:30:41 <lulzplzkthx> Well, it works fine for a while, so I don't think it's a bad lock?
2091 2011-04-17 20:30:49 <lulzplzkthx> Unless I'm misunderstanding.
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2104 2011-04-17 20:31:55 <lulzplzkthx> Ah, thanks BlueMatt found a couple posts and guides.
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2106 2011-04-17 20:33:01 <BlueMatt> I meant bad locking within the process
2107 2011-04-17 20:33:58 <lulzplzkthx> Ah
2108 2011-04-17 20:34:09 <lulzplzkthx> I found a guide for using monit to reboot it on the forums, so thank you.
2109 2011-04-17 20:35:05 <BlueMatt> oh, well that works too
2110 2011-04-17 20:35:13 <BlueMatt> just make sure to backup the wallet regularly
2111 2011-04-17 20:36:23 <gat3way> I have some quick question regarding the JSON-RPC protocol (regarding getwork)
2112 2011-04-17 20:37:53 <gat3way> can someone help me with that?
2113 2011-04-17 20:38:13 <lulzplzkthx> BlueMatt: ehh?
2114 2011-04-17 20:38:22 <lulzplzkthx> why?
2115 2011-04-17 20:38:31 <BlueMatt> gat3way: ask a question, dont ask to ask
2116 2011-04-17 20:38:41 <gat3way> ok :)
2117 2011-04-17 20:38:56 <BlueMatt> lulzplzkthx: why not? plus if the client is crashing, you never know what backend processes might be corrupted
2118 2011-04-17 20:38:58 <gat3way> so I have got a block to try to solve using getwork
2119 2011-04-17 20:39:24 <gat3way> then supposedly, I found a nonce value for which the final hashsum is less than target
2120 2011-04-17 20:39:42 <gat3way> then I send back the result using getwork with data (modified with the new nonce value)
2121 2011-04-17 20:40:26 <gat3way> what exactly is the meaning of the "result" and "error" fields in the response?
2122 2011-04-17 20:41:03 <lulzplzkthx> BlueMatt: alright.
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2124 2011-04-17 20:41:53 <lulzplzkthx> So it looks like the deadlock changes got put into the master git branch?
2125 2011-04-17 20:42:07 <lulzplzkthx> In which case just getting the git version might fix it, yeah?
2126 2011-04-17 20:42:29 <TD> yeah
2127 2011-04-17 20:43:21 <lulzplzkthx> kk
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2129 2011-04-17 20:44:05 <lulzplzkthx> Can I ask why we're using IRC for connecting to peers? For some reason it seems inefficient to me.
2130 2011-04-17 20:44:37 <BlueMatt> lulzplzkthx: bootstrapping is always an issue, irc is simple and there really aren't any perfect ideas
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2132 2011-04-17 20:44:50 <lulzplzkthx> Okay.
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2134 2011-04-17 20:45:38 <BlueMatt> though dns seeding/static ip hardnodes aren't that bad either
2135 2011-04-17 20:52:38 <lulzplzkthx> Cool, so now I'm getting "error: couldn't connect to server". Perfect.
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2137 2011-04-17 20:53:29 <BlueMatt> in what?
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2139 2011-04-17 20:53:51 <lulzplzkthx> shell 1: bitcoind, shell 2: bitcoind listaccounts
2140 2011-04-17 20:53:55 <lulzplzkthx> shell 2 "error: couldn't connect to server"
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2142 2011-04-17 20:54:20 <BlueMatt> ah
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2144 2011-04-17 20:54:47 <BlueMatt> what does debug.log show?
2145 2011-04-17 20:55:14 <lulzplzkthx> DBFlush(false) db not started
2146 2011-04-17 20:55:15 <lulzplzkthx> StopNode()
2147 2011-04-17 20:56:12 <BlueMatt> above that?
2148 2011-04-17 20:57:17 <lulzplzkthx> oh, okay, here i tried again.
2149 2011-04-17 20:57:23 <lulzplzkthx> Bitcoin version 0.3.20.1 beta
2150 2011-04-17 20:57:23 <lulzplzkthx> Default data directory /home/zim/.bitcoin
2151 2011-04-17 20:57:23 <lulzplzkthx> Bound to port 8333
2152 2011-04-17 20:57:23 <lulzplzkthx> Loading addresses...
2153 2011-04-17 20:57:26 <lulzplzkthx> dbenv.open strLogDir=/home/zim/.bitcoin/database strErrorFile=/home/zim/.bitcoin/db.log
2154 2011-04-17 20:57:42 <lulzplzkthx> Sorry for the long paste. Anyway, I did a "bitcoind", "bitcoind listaccount", Ctrl+c on bitcoind
2155 2011-04-17 20:57:53 <lulzplzkthx> actually, it's still running.
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2159 2011-04-17 21:06:35 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,stats
2160 2011-04-17 21:06:40 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118875 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 68 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 9 hours, 41 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92598.45974731
2161 2011-04-17 21:06:44 <topi`_> the rise of nationalists to the Finnish government might have an impact on the EU talks on backing up Portugal's debts
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2163 2011-04-17 21:06:59 <topi`_> this is interesting time for Bitcoin :) since the Euro might go through some turbulent times
2164 2011-04-17 21:07:10 <topi`_> finally, the opportunity for alternate currencies is nigh!
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2167 2011-04-17 21:09:36 <Blitzboom> topi`_: euro parity now
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2169 2011-04-17 21:11:24 <sirius> sensors have detected a high level of butthurt from finnish facebookers
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2171 2011-04-17 21:15:17 <lulzplzkthx> Anyone know why bitcoind "couldn't connect to server"?
2172 2011-04-17 21:16:36 <sipa> is it running?
2173 2011-04-17 21:17:00 <JFK911> anyone generated bitcoins over the weekend? do we still have that mysterious weekend miner?
2174 2011-04-17 21:17:20 <lulzplzkthx> Yes spia
2175 2011-04-17 21:17:20 <JFK911> like for the past 3 weeks ive mostly gotten them during weekdays
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2177 2011-04-17 21:17:44 <lulzplzkthx> Yes sipa *
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2184 2011-04-17 21:23:51 <Xer> how do you check the network hashrate?
2185 2011-04-17 21:25:34 <Xer> ah, bitcoin watch has statistics for it
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2187 2011-04-17 21:26:39 <sipa> see my graphs on http://bitcoin.sipa.be
2188 2011-04-17 21:27:57 <lulzplzkthx> :\
2189 2011-04-17 21:30:34 <blablaa> sipa, have u tried to see if they're correlated with dollar exchange rate for example?
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2191 2011-04-17 21:31:36 <sipa> no
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2193 2011-04-17 21:38:52 <lulzplzkthx> My issue is getting worse. "./bitcoind" no longer outputs anything, and isn't found in ps
2194 2011-04-17 21:39:23 <lfm> it crashed, restart it
2195 2011-04-17 21:39:30 <lulzplzkthx> Huh?
2196 2011-04-17 21:39:55 <lfm> is there anything in ~/.bitcoin/debug.log?
2197 2011-04-17 21:39:57 <lulzplzkthx> The .lcok file prevented it from starting. The issue though lfm is that even with it started and running in a terminal, when I try to interface with it I get "couldn't connect to server"
2198 2011-04-17 21:40:16 <lulzplzkthx> lfm: Nothing useful.
2199 2011-04-17 21:40:25 <lulzplzkthx> It's 0.3.20.1 beta, from the Git repo.
2200 2011-04-17 21:40:38 <lfm> 21.1 beta?
2201 2011-04-17 21:40:48 <lulzplzkthx> no, 0.3.20.1 beta :\
2202 2011-04-17 21:40:50 <lulzplzkthx> Which is odd.
2203 2011-04-17 21:40:55 <lulzplzkthx> It doesn't have -pid either.
2204 2011-04-17 21:41:05 <lulzplzkthx> Oh, it's bound to port 8333 instead of 8332, is that my issue maybe?
2205 2011-04-17 21:41:29 <lfm> it should be both
2206 2011-04-17 21:41:41 <lulzplzkthx> well debug.log says "Bound to port 8333"
2207 2011-04-17 21:41:58 <lfm> 8333 is the bitcoin net, 8332 is for rpc
2208 2011-04-17 21:43:12 <lulzplzkthx> When ./bitcoind is running, should Ctrl+C shut it down gracefully, or is there a better way?
2209 2011-04-17 21:43:34 <lfm> ctrlc is the way
2210 2011-04-17 21:43:34 <lulzplzkthx> Because I'm continuing to have to kill -9 [id], and rm ~/.bitcoin/.lock
2211 2011-04-17 21:43:43 <lulzplzkthx> So do you think it's hanging upon startup?
2212 2011-04-17 21:44:05 <lfm> i think you database is corrupted then.
2213 2011-04-17 21:44:18 <lulzplzkthx> okay, can i just move it to .bak or somethin?
2214 2011-04-17 21:44:21 <lulzplzkthx> to create a new one?
2215 2011-04-17 21:44:47 <lfm> ya, reloading takes a long time tho as you should know
2216 2011-04-17 21:44:54 <lulzplzkthx> yeah...
2217 2011-04-17 21:45:21 <lfm> is there anything you want to save in your wallet yet?
2218 2011-04-17 21:45:40 <lfm> even faucet coins?
2219 2011-04-17 21:45:41 <lulzplzkthx> lol, on my local one yeah, but this is just my dev server, so no.
2220 2011-04-17 21:46:17 <lulzplzkthx> so i moved .bitccoin .bitcoinold, now can i just ./bitcoind?
2221 2011-04-17 21:46:18 <lfm> oh ok, just rename ~/.bitcoin to .bak or something and see what happens
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2223 2011-04-17 21:46:56 <lulzplzkthx> Awesome, that works.
2224 2011-04-17 21:46:58 <lulzplzkthx> Thanks lfm. :)
2225 2011-04-17 21:47:13 <lfm> good luck
2226 2011-04-17 21:47:57 <lulzplzkthx> Wow, I did a listaccounts, and it worked. Then I tried to make an account, and everything is hung up again.
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2229 2011-04-17 21:48:58 <lfm> well wait for it to get all the blocks, dont kill it
2230 2011-04-17 21:49:17 <lulzplzkthx> I can't tell when it gets all the blocks from bitcoind though.
2231 2011-04-17 21:49:34 <lfm> you can tell from debug.log
2232 2011-04-17 21:49:40 <lulzplzkthx> oh, k.
2233 2011-04-17 21:49:47 <CodePHP> Maybe noob question, but how do I start bitcoind on startup on ubuntu?
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2235 2011-04-17 21:50:18 <lfm> code several ways, I like using crontab command @reboot myself
2236 2011-04-17 21:50:43 <luke-jr> ;;bc,gend 320000 [bc,estimate]
2237 2011-04-17 21:50:43 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 320000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 92746.43171806, is 3.4703769819 BTC per day and 0.144599040912 BTC per hour.
2238 2011-04-17 21:50:55 <JFK911> ;;bc,calc 770000
2239 2011-04-17 21:50:56 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 770000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 5 days, 7 hours, 35 minutes, and 22 seconds
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2242 2011-04-17 21:51:55 <lulzplzkthx> Has anyone made a rc.d for bitcoind?
2243 2011-04-17 21:52:18 <lulzplzkthx> For Arch. :\
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2245 2011-04-17 21:52:32 <lfm> crontab @reboot has the advantage you dont need to use root account
2246 2011-04-17 21:53:11 <lulzplzkthx> rc.d has the advantage (on Arch) of being a daemon for the system.
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2248 2011-04-17 21:53:28 <lfm> you dont want bitcoin running as root!
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2250 2011-04-17 21:53:58 <lulzplzkthx> with an su, it doesn't need to.
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2252 2011-04-17 21:54:02 <CodePHP> why not as root?
2253 2011-04-17 21:54:12 <lfm> it really is more of a user app than a system daemon
2254 2011-04-17 21:54:33 <lulzplzkthx> lfm: bitcoind <-- see that d? it's a server to connect to for json-rpc, imo.
2255 2011-04-17 21:54:34 <lfm> CodePHP: never run anything as root that doesnt have to be
2256 2011-04-17 21:54:53 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: thats totally misleading
2257 2011-04-17 21:54:55 <lulzplzkthx> lfm: I can't reallyt ell how many blocks by "IRC got join"
2258 2011-04-17 21:55:15 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: ignore irc messages
2259 2011-04-17 21:55:21 <lulzplzkthx> that's all there is...
2260 2011-04-17 21:55:41 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: then wait for those to finish, may take some minuites
2261 2011-04-17 21:55:46 <lulzplzkthx> kk
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2263 2011-04-17 21:59:57 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: you should get some messages like this:
2264 2011-04-17 21:59:59 <lfm> SetBestChain: new best=00000000000035449180 height=118886 work=396486537183774
2265 2011-04-17 22:02:35 <lulzplzkthx> Still just IRC
2266 2011-04-17 22:02:50 <lulzplzkthx> actually, a grep brings up a bunch of them
2267 2011-04-17 22:02:58 <lulzplzkthx> but tailing is just IRCs
2268 2011-04-17 22:03:13 <lfm> k whats the last height in the grep?
2269 2011-04-17 22:03:14 <lulzplzkthx> ah, just started "trying conncetion"'s
2270 2011-04-17 22:03:19 <lulzplzkthx> 500
2271 2011-04-17 22:03:40 <lulzplzkthx> is that the block? 500th block?
2272 2011-04-17 22:03:41 <lfm> height needs to get to 118886 or better
2273 2011-04-17 22:03:46 <lfm> ya
2274 2011-04-17 22:03:48 <lulzplzkthx> fml.
2275 2011-04-17 22:03:56 <lulzplzkthx> it's not even moving since that 500 :\
2276 2011-04-17 22:04:09 <lfm> ya you dont have any connections yet
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2278 2011-04-17 22:06:50 <jgarzik> luke-jr: please _read_ the Binary Data Protocol specification and reference implementation
2279 2011-04-17 22:07:01 <jgarzik> luke-jr: it is not (a) only for mining, nor (b) a unidirectional stream
2280 2011-04-17 22:07:38 <jgarzik> luke-jr: if you have zero knowledge about a proposal, it seems inappropriate to recommend against using it
2281 2011-04-17 22:12:46 <luke-jr> jgarzik: you're saying it IS suitable for clients?
2282 2011-04-17 22:17:40 <lulzplzkthx> it's still 500 lfm :\
2283 2011-04-17 22:18:29 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: id say you are not getting any connections. is it in a vm or osmething?
2284 2011-04-17 22:18:52 <lulzplzkthx> nope
2285 2011-04-17 22:18:57 <lulzplzkthx> it's a server at home, plugged in via ethernet
2286 2011-04-17 22:18:59 <lulzplzkthx> i'm ssh'd in
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2289 2011-04-17 22:19:40 <lulzplzkthx> this is like the 3rd time i've tried to setup bitcoin for a server.
2290 2011-04-17 22:19:44 <lulzplzkthx> it's kind of starting to piss me off.
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2294 2011-04-17 22:20:11 <Diablo-D3> lulzplzkthx: why are you having so many problems?
2295 2011-04-17 22:20:18 <lulzplzkthx> Diablo-D3: you tell me.
2296 2011-04-17 22:20:21 <lulzplzkthx> >_>
2297 2011-04-17 22:20:23 <Diablo-D3> I dunno, whats the issue?
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2299 2011-04-17 22:20:25 <lulzplzkthx> a) things locking up.
2300 2011-04-17 22:20:30 <lulzplzkthx> so i went to get the git version.
2301 2011-04-17 22:20:32 <Diablo-D3> define "things"
2302 2011-04-17 22:20:34 <lulzplzkthx> then my db got corrpted
2303 2011-04-17 22:20:34 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: what distro is it?
2304 2011-04-17 22:20:40 <lulzplzkthx> Arch lfm
2305 2011-04-17 22:20:43 <lulzplzkthx> "things" -> bitcoind
2306 2011-04-17 22:20:48 <Diablo-D3> lulzplzkthx: why do you believe it locks up?
2307 2011-04-17 22:21:01 <lulzplzkthx> deadlocks or whatever.
2308 2011-04-17 22:21:07 <Diablo-D3> and why do you believe this?
2309 2011-04-17 22:21:13 <Diablo-D3> it sounds like you're unfamiliar with how Linux works.
2310 2011-04-17 22:21:20 <lulzplzkthx> Because I have the version affected, and others on Linux report similar.
2311 2011-04-17 22:21:27 <lulzplzkthx> orly?
2312 2011-04-17 22:21:33 <lulzplzkthx> Do explain then, please.
2313 2011-04-17 22:21:34 <lfm> how long did you wait for these |lockups| to clear themselves
2314 2011-04-17 22:21:45 <lulzplzkthx> lfm: an hour one time.
2315 2011-04-17 22:21:51 <Diablo-D3> lulzplzkthx: well, seeing as you havent explained anything
2316 2011-04-17 22:22:02 <Diablo-D3> what are you doing, exactly, that you think it deadlocks?
2317 2011-04-17 22:22:09 <lulzplzkthx> Diablo-D3: i've explained it at least 10 times, and getting nowhere, it gets frustrating to continue.
2318 2011-04-17 22:22:21 <Diablo-D3> explain it again.
2319 2011-04-17 22:22:22 <lulzplzkthx> Diablo-D3: I can getbalance fine, it locks up when I getaccountaddress
2320 2011-04-17 22:22:29 <Diablo-D3> huh, weird.
2321 2011-04-17 22:22:31 <Diablo-D3> what version?
2322 2011-04-17 22:22:49 <lulzplzkthx> That was in .3.20
2323 2011-04-17 22:22:58 <lulzplzkthx> So then I went and git clone'd, and I have .3.20.1 now.
2324 2011-04-17 22:23:00 <Diablo-D3> have you tried gavin's git tree yet?
2325 2011-04-17 22:23:11 <lulzplzkthx> Now that one kept starting, and exiting. lfm suggested it might be an issue with the DB, so I reset that.
2326 2011-04-17 22:23:19 <lulzplzkthx> Now it doesn't exit, but it's not connecting to clients, evidently.
2327 2011-04-17 22:23:21 <lulzplzkthx> No, I have not.
2328 2011-04-17 22:23:27 <lulzplzkthx> i'll go look at it
2329 2011-04-17 22:23:51 <lulzplzkthx> Wait, if you're talking about this: https://github.com/gavinandresen/bitcoin-git
2330 2011-04-17 22:23:55 <lulzplzkthx> That's actually the one I'm running.
2331 2011-04-17 22:23:56 <Diablo-D3> btw, if it keeps starting and immediately exiting, its because the socket isnt closed usually
2332 2011-04-17 22:24:01 <Diablo-D3> yeah, that one
2333 2011-04-17 22:24:06 <lulzplzkthx> I actually didn't realize i wasn't in the official one.
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2335 2011-04-17 22:24:16 <Diablo-D3> gavin's is semi official
2336 2011-04-17 22:24:26 <lulzplzkthx> Yeah, I know, but not the master branch.
2337 2011-04-17 22:24:39 <lulzplzkthx> So anyway, since that didn't work, I guess I should try from the main one?
2338 2011-04-17 22:24:40 <Diablo-D3> the master svn branch is only updated when its time to release, really
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2340 2011-04-17 22:24:50 <lulzplzkthx> I see.
2341 2011-04-17 22:24:52 <Diablo-D3> the main one is behind gavin's
2342 2011-04-17 22:25:00 <lulzplzkthx> Well, how could I have checked if the socket wasn't closed?
2343 2011-04-17 22:25:09 <Diablo-D3> if the program is open, the socket isnt closed
2344 2011-04-17 22:25:14 <lulzplzkthx> I kill -9'd it
2345 2011-04-17 22:25:18 <lulzplzkthx> and rm'd the .lock
2346 2011-04-17 22:25:24 <Diablo-D3> yeah, but does ps ax | grep bitcoin list anything?
2347 2011-04-17 22:25:45 <Diablo-D3> because even if you kill -9'ed it doesnt mean its dead
2348 2011-04-17 22:25:47 <lulzplzkthx> It mentions one thing now from the one I setup under lfm's suggestion of moving the db.
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2350 2011-04-17 22:25:55 <lulzplzkthx> ps e | grep bitcoin showed nothing.
2351 2011-04-17 22:25:57 <BlueMatt> you realize gavin's master branch hasnt been updated in a month?
2352 2011-04-17 22:25:59 <lulzplzkthx> after i kill -9'd it.
2353 2011-04-17 22:26:03 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: yeah, so?
2354 2011-04-17 22:26:14 <BlueMatt> so the mainline master branch is more up-to-date than that
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2356 2011-04-17 22:26:28 <BlueMatt> ie gavin's master branch is out of date
2357 2011-04-17 22:26:40 <BlueMatt> and his other ones are used to create specific features
2358 2011-04-17 22:26:40 <Diablo-D3> huh, weird
2359 2011-04-17 22:26:44 <lulzplzkthx> I'm going for the main one then.
2360 2011-04-17 22:26:47 <Diablo-D3> lulzplzkthx: try master svn
2361 2011-04-17 22:26:51 <lulzplzkthx> Yup.
2362 2011-04-17 22:27:03 <lulzplzkthx> err, svn?
2363 2011-04-17 22:27:06 <lulzplzkthx> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin
2364 2011-04-17 22:27:21 kisom_ is now known as kisom_dev
2365 2011-04-17 22:27:33 <Diablo-D3> hrm, did bitcoin move the repo perminently?
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2367 2011-04-17 22:27:41 <jgarzik> luke-jr: suure
2368 2011-04-17 22:27:55 <lulzplzkthx> compiling. brb food.
2369 2011-04-17 22:27:56 <Diablo-D3> yes, yes it did.
2370 2011-04-17 22:28:02 <Diablo-D3> lulzplzkthx: thats the main repo now.
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2372 2011-04-17 22:28:07 <Diablo-D3> and gavin just commits directly to it
2373 2011-04-17 22:28:12 <BlueMatt> yep
2374 2011-04-17 22:28:19 <BlueMatt> +jgarzik
2375 2011-04-17 22:28:58 <Diablo-D3> I wonder when that changed
2376 2011-04-17 22:29:05 * Diablo-D3 didnt see any notifications about it
2377 2011-04-17 22:29:20 <Diablo-D3> and bitcoin has a new website now
2378 2011-04-17 22:29:37 * BlueMatt started paying attention to dev activity after the change
2379 2011-04-17 22:29:49 * Diablo-D3 hasnt payed attention to dev too much lately
2380 2011-04-17 22:29:54 <BlueMatt> yea I didnt see the website change for a while either (I usually just go to /smf/)
2381 2011-04-17 22:30:00 <Diablo-D3> too busy paying attention to more important parts of bitcoin ;)
2382 2011-04-17 22:30:06 <BlueMatt> yep
2383 2011-04-17 22:30:23 * Diablo-D3 continues to enjoy his spot as the third most important bitcoin project
2384 2011-04-17 22:31:03 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin, poclbm, and then my miner :D
2385 2011-04-17 22:31:25 <BlueMatt> that'll be replaced soon
2386 2011-04-17 22:31:44 <Diablo-D3> I doubt it
2387 2011-04-17 22:31:45 <BlueMatt> so many projects in the works which could easily take over as #2
2388 2011-04-17 22:31:55 <Diablo-D3> diablopool will take over the #2 spot.
2389 2011-04-17 22:32:17 <lfm> id say the forum was #2 now
2390 2011-04-17 22:32:20 <edcba> bitcoin worth more than dollar again ?
2391 2011-04-17 22:32:28 <BlueMatt> lfm: not really a project
2392 2011-04-17 22:32:39 <ezl> what are bitcoin projects #1 and #2?
2393 2011-04-17 22:32:42 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: websites which support bitcoin are much more important than a miner
2394 2011-04-17 22:33:04 <Diablo-D3> ezl: I just said it
2395 2011-04-17 22:33:04 <lfm> mtgox is pretty high
2396 2011-04-17 22:33:15 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin itself, poclbm, and my miner
2397 2011-04-17 22:33:17 <Diablo-D3> thats the top three
2398 2011-04-17 22:33:24 <Diablo-D3> mtgox and such dont count because its not open source
2399 2011-04-17 22:33:28 <Diablo-D3> its "just a website"
2400 2011-04-17 22:33:39 <lulzplzkthx> cool
2401 2011-04-17 22:33:43 <BlueMatt> yes but still a very important "project" for bitcoin
2402 2011-04-17 22:33:44 <lulzplzkthx> miniupnpc/miniwget.h <-- is that wxwidgets?
2403 2011-04-17 22:33:48 <theorbtwo> bitcoin.it wiki, mtgox, forums?
2404 2011-04-17 22:33:58 <BlueMatt> lulzplzkthx: no
2405 2011-04-17 22:34:06 <grbgout> Is there a good technical read as a follow up to the white paper available?
2406 2011-04-17 22:34:10 <lulzplzkthx> what is it then? :S
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2408 2011-04-17 22:34:19 <BlueMatt> grbgout: not really, mostly the source after that
2409 2011-04-17 22:34:25 <grbgout> BlueMatt: k, thanks.
2410 2011-04-17 22:34:32 <BlueMatt> lulzplzkthx: just a part of miniupnp
2411 2011-04-17 22:34:49 <lulzplzkthx> Yeah, I don't have that.
2412 2011-04-17 22:34:56 <theorbtwo> The wiki could, IMHO, desperately use a better article on the protocol.
2413 2011-04-17 22:35:08 <lulzplzkthx> Seriusly theorbtwo
2414 2011-04-17 22:35:13 <lulzplzkthx> I was so confused when I first was reading about Bitcoin.
2415 2011-04-17 22:35:14 <BlueMatt> very true
2416 2011-04-17 22:35:18 <BlueMatt> have fun writing it
2417 2011-04-17 22:35:28 <theorbtwo> lulzplzkthx: Writing that in parallel with reading the source ould be a good project, if you are looking for one.
2418 2011-04-17 22:35:48 <BlueMatt> really the best ways to get familiar are listening to a couple podcasts which discuss bitcoin
2419 2011-04-17 22:35:51 <sipa> there is some documentation on the wiki about the protocol
2420 2011-04-17 22:35:55 <Diablo-D3> man
2421 2011-04-17 22:36:01 <BlueMatt> the security now one was a pretty good explanation
2422 2011-04-17 22:36:04 <sipa> far from complete, but still useful sometime
2423 2011-04-17 22:36:05 <Diablo-D3> you know what I should take a detour through/
2424 2011-04-17 22:36:11 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin openid.
2425 2011-04-17 22:36:31 <lulzplzkthx> theorbtwo: I might look into that when I have time.
2426 2011-04-17 22:36:41 <lulzplzkthx> BlueMatt: I prefer sitting in here.
2427 2011-04-17 22:36:50 <Diablo-D3> who owns the most visible bitcoin domain?
2428 2011-04-17 22:36:56 <lulzplzkthx> and the forums
2429 2011-04-17 22:37:02 <Blitzboom> BlueMatt: omegatau is superior
2430 2011-04-17 22:37:06 <Blitzboom> with gavin explaining it
2431 2011-04-17 22:37:15 <Diablo-D3> anyone?
2432 2011-04-17 22:37:17 <Diablo-D3> bueller?
2433 2011-04-17 22:37:18 <BlueMatt> dont think I ever got around to listening to the omegatau one
2434 2011-04-17 22:37:27 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: bitcoin.org
2435 2011-04-17 22:37:33 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: who owns it
2436 2011-04-17 22:37:44 <BlueMatt> dont remember any more
2437 2011-04-17 22:37:48 <Blitzboom> sirius does
2438 2011-04-17 22:37:53 <CodePHP> Put my work on the shelf, now to start a bitcoin project.
2439 2011-04-17 22:38:14 <Diablo-D3> sirius: you own the bitcoin.org domain?
2440 2011-04-17 22:38:42 <lulzplzkthx> CodePHP: :) In PHP?
2441 2011-04-17 22:38:51 <CodePHP> How did you guess :)
2442 2011-04-17 22:39:07 <lulzplzkthx> Lol, I have a library for you, h/o. It's the JSON-RPC one but w/ cURL
2443 2011-04-17 22:39:09 <lulzplzkthx> I suggest you use it.
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2445 2011-04-17 22:39:28 <lulzplzkthx> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1408.msg88115#msg88115
2446 2011-04-17 22:39:35 <lulzplzkthx> The thread explains why. ;)
2447 2011-04-17 22:39:38 <theorbtwo> Hm, how would bitcoin enhance openid?
2448 2011-04-17 22:39:53 <lulzplzkthx> tbh, i feel like it disenhances it.
2449 2011-04-17 22:40:01 <theorbtwo> I could use openid to pay for an openid provider, but why would I when there are so many free ones available?
2450 2011-04-17 22:40:05 <lulzplzkthx> The addresses are anonymous, a nice thing about it.
2451 2011-04-17 22:40:11 <lulzplzkthx> But an OpenID is the opposite.
2452 2011-04-17 22:40:11 <theorbtwo> Er, use bitcoin to pay for an ...
2453 2011-04-17 22:40:34 <theorbtwo> lulzplzkthx: So sign up for an openid that takes no personal information?
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2455 2011-04-17 22:40:44 <lulzplzkthx> theorbtwo: Yeah, but that's not as convenient.
2456 2011-04-17 22:40:52 <theorbtwo> Sign up for as many as you like.
2457 2011-04-17 22:40:53 <lulzplzkthx> Google's is convenient, cuz all OpenID sites pretty much have a one click button.
2458 2011-04-17 22:41:20 <lulzplzkthx> Do I need to compile the libupnp client or daemon?
2459 2011-04-17 22:41:26 <Diablo-D3> openid CAN be anonymous
2460 2011-04-17 22:41:30 <Diablo-D3> you know how I'd set it up?
2461 2011-04-17 22:41:31 <lulzplzkthx> yes, it can.
2462 2011-04-17 22:41:31 <theorbtwo> Use an anonymous openid provider (which can simply be an openid that is always signed in for everybody.)
2463 2011-04-17 22:41:35 <lulzplzkthx> Just like a Google account can be anonymous.
2464 2011-04-17 22:41:37 <BlueMatt> lulzplzkthx: not libupnp, miniupnpc
2465 2011-04-17 22:41:41 <Diablo-D3> insert your bitcoin address.
2466 2011-04-17 22:41:45 <lulzplzkthx> that's what i meant BlueMatt
2467 2011-04-17 22:41:47 <Diablo-D3> it automatically authenticates you.
2468 2011-04-17 22:41:52 <lulzplzkthx> Still question: client or daemon?
2469 2011-04-17 22:41:54 <BlueMatt> lulzplzkthx: libminiupnpc not daemon, client
2470 2011-04-17 22:41:58 <lulzplzkthx> kk
2471 2011-04-17 22:42:00 <BlueMatt> hence the c after miniupnp
2472 2011-04-17 22:42:02 <lulzplzkthx> thank you.
2473 2011-04-17 22:42:06 <lulzplzkthx> Yeah, I saw that, but wasn't positive.
2474 2011-04-17 22:42:26 <theorbtwo> Diablo-D3: Er, I don't follow. Can you be more explicit?
2475 2011-04-17 22:42:33 <Diablo-D3> theorbtwo: about what?
2476 2011-04-17 22:42:46 <CodePHP> lulzplzkthx: Thank you, not found that issue before but will take you guidance, since im just setting out.
2477 2011-04-17 22:43:03 <theorbtwo> I generate an address in my bitcoin client. I fill in my openid as http://bitcoinopenid.org/someaddress.
2478 2011-04-17 22:43:04 <lulzplzkthx> Yup. It was hell to dev with fopen()
2479 2011-04-17 22:43:12 <theorbtwo> ...then how does it tell that's me?
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2481 2011-04-17 22:43:33 <lulzplzkthx> theorbtwo: it doesn't. but i tend to use Google OpenID because it's on almost every openid site
2482 2011-04-17 22:43:38 <lulzplzkthx> and THAT is less anonymous.
2483 2011-04-17 22:43:41 <lulzplzkthx> considering i ahve a pciture, name, etc.
2484 2011-04-17 22:43:49 <Diablo-D3> theorbtwo: yeah, it'd work just like that
2485 2011-04-17 22:43:59 <theorbtwo> So ... don't do that then, lulzplzkthx.
2486 2011-04-17 22:44:03 <CodePHP> lol, someone working on an opinid project? ..
2487 2011-04-17 22:44:07 <Diablo-D3> theorbtwo: you'd just have to register it before hand to supply a password.
2488 2011-04-17 22:44:13 <Diablo-D3> CodePHP: I could do it in like 15 minutes.
2489 2011-04-17 22:44:26 <theorbtwo> Diablo-D3: How does tying it to openid improve it at all?
2490 2011-04-17 22:44:27 <Diablo-D3> it'd go great with my pool that only uses openid to authenticate.
2491 2011-04-17 22:44:28 <CodePHP> I started allready, race you
2492 2011-04-17 22:44:42 <Diablo-D3> CodePHP: dude, we dont want php shit, troll elsewhere
2493 2011-04-17 22:44:58 <lulzplzkthx> ffs
2494 2011-04-17 22:44:58 <Diablo-D3> theorbtwo: it just means you can use your bitcoin address as an openid auth token.
2495 2011-04-17 22:45:06 DukeOfURL has joined
2496 2011-04-17 22:45:07 <Diablo-D3> theorbtwo: it'd be useful to get the word out.
2497 2011-04-17 22:45:08 johnlockwood has joined
2498 2011-04-17 22:45:10 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: you aren't exactly one to talk
2499 2011-04-17 22:45:17 <theorbtwo> You are just using bitcoin as a random number generator.
2500 2011-04-17 22:45:23 <CodePHP> very nice.
2501 2011-04-17 22:45:39 <lulzplzkthx> Diablo-D3: PHP has its uses.
2502 2011-04-17 22:45:46 <theorbtwo> Anyway, going to bed no.
2503 2011-04-17 22:45:47 <theorbtwo> no
2504 2011-04-17 22:45:48 <lulzplzkthx> For those of us who aren't pretentiosu asses with Rails
2505 2011-04-17 22:45:49 <theorbtwo> now
2506 2011-04-17 22:45:52 <BlueMatt> dont start a conversation with Diablo-D3 on languages please
2507 2011-04-17 22:45:54 <theorbtwo> I hate this keyboard.
2508 2011-04-17 22:45:56 <theorbtwo> G'night.
2509 2011-04-17 22:45:57 <lulzplzkthx> etc. etc.
2510 2011-04-17 22:46:00 <Diablo-D3> php has zero issues for a high traffic site.
2511 2011-04-17 22:46:06 <Diablo-D3> er
2512 2011-04-17 22:46:10 <CodePHP> not if you code well.
2513 2011-04-17 22:46:11 <Diablo-D3> php has zero uses for a high traffic site.
2514 2011-04-17 22:46:11 <lulzplzkthx> thanks.
2515 2011-04-17 22:46:12 <Diablo-D3> sorry.
2516 2011-04-17 22:46:18 <lulzplzkthx> zero issues, okay.
2517 2011-04-17 22:46:21 <lulzplzkthx> so you agree, thanks.
2518 2011-04-17 22:46:26 <lulzplzkthx> What does Diablo-D3?
2519 2011-04-17 22:46:28 <lulzplzkthx> Rails?
2520 2011-04-17 22:46:33 <lulzplzkthx> Python?
2521 2011-04-17 22:46:34 <Diablo-D3> rails sucks even on low traffic sites
2522 2011-04-17 22:46:37 <Diablo-D3> java > *
2523 2011-04-17 22:46:40 <lulzplzkthx> Yeah, Rails sucks.
2524 2011-04-17 22:46:41 <lulzplzkthx> LOL
2525 2011-04-17 22:46:46 <lulzplzkthx> Okay, I can't even talk to you about this, lol
2526 2011-04-17 22:46:49 <lulzplzkthx> Hahaha
2527 2011-04-17 22:46:55 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: Diablo-D3 loves java
2528 2011-04-17 22:46:56 <Diablo-D3> why would anyone use _rails_ seriously?
2529 2011-04-17 22:46:59 <Diablo-D3> thats just asking for trouble.
2530 2011-04-17 22:47:03 <lulzplzkthx> Diablo-D3: agreed.
2531 2011-04-17 22:47:03 <Diablo-D3> thats almost as bad as php
2532 2011-04-17 22:47:15 <lulzplzkthx> More like 3 times worse than PHP.
2533 2011-04-17 22:47:26 <Diablo-D3> I dunno, ever see wikipedia's server farm?
2534 2011-04-17 22:47:34 <Diablo-D3> its about 10 times bigger than it needs to be
2535 2011-04-17 22:47:44 <lulzplzkthx> Point is, my PHP site is ~250 lines of code, and is a raffle script.
2536 2011-04-17 22:47:47 <lulzplzkthx> That's excluding templates.
2537 2011-04-17 22:47:48 <Diablo-D3> it'd be half the size on ruby or python
2538 2011-04-17 22:47:50 <lulzplzkthx> Including comments.
2539 2011-04-17 22:48:06 <lulzplzkthx> It could've taken less than an hour if the JSON-RPC thing wasn't being a bitch.
2540 2011-04-17 22:48:07 <Diablo-D3> lulzplzkthx: okay so? I could do that in about that in java.
2541 2011-04-17 22:48:14 <lulzplzkthx> Yes, you could do that.
2542 2011-04-17 22:48:21 <lulzplzkthx> The point is, it's a perfect use for PHP.
2543 2011-04-17 22:48:22 <Diablo-D3> wait
2544 2011-04-17 22:48:25 <Diablo-D3> not including the html?
2545 2011-04-17 22:48:29 <Diablo-D3> 250 is overkill.
2546 2011-04-17 22:48:35 <lulzplzkthx> Lol
2547 2011-04-17 22:48:39 <lulzplzkthx> not when you have to deal with templates.
2548 2011-04-17 22:48:54 <lulzplzkthx> It includes ocode to deal with templates, but not the templates themselves.
2549 2011-04-17 22:49:01 <lulzplzkthx> And comments.
2550 2011-04-17 22:49:10 <jrabbit> phph is lol
2551 2011-04-17 22:49:14 <lulzplzkthx> I comment my code, because I like the color in my syntax highlighter.
2552 2011-04-17 22:49:20 <Diablo-D3> lol
2553 2011-04-17 22:49:23 <Diablo-D3> anyhow
2554 2011-04-17 22:49:33 <Diablo-D3> would people actually be interested in an openid auth or bitcoin?
2555 2011-04-17 22:49:44 <lulzplzkthx> Huh?
2556 2011-04-17 22:49:52 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: how many people actually use oid anyway?
2557 2011-04-17 22:49:54 <lulzplzkthx> I don't understand how Bitcoin offers anything for OpenID...
2558 2011-04-17 22:50:02 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: quite a few
2559 2011-04-17 22:50:04 <lulzplzkthx> BlueMatt: I use it for StackOverflow, Lifehacker, etc.
2560 2011-04-17 22:50:06 <Diablo-D3> lulzplzkthx: it doesnt.
2561 2011-04-17 22:50:12 <lulzplzkthx> It's convenient.
2562 2011-04-17 22:50:17 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: diablopool will also use openid
2563 2011-04-17 22:50:21 <Diablo-D3> it wont have built in user auth
2564 2011-04-17 22:50:30 <Diablo-D3> and I imagine at least slush will switch to diablopool
2565 2011-04-17 22:50:36 <kiba> people use oauth
2566 2011-04-17 22:50:39 <kiba> or at least I do
2567 2011-04-17 22:50:44 <Diablo-D3> yeah, and a lot of people use oauth
2568 2011-04-17 22:50:52 <lulzplzkthx> is OAuth google's thing?
2569 2011-04-17 22:50:54 <lulzplzkthx> that's not openid
2570 2011-04-17 22:51:00 <lulzplzkthx> but uses google accounts for auth?
2571 2011-04-17 22:51:04 <Diablo-D3> oauth is client token auth for openid
2572 2011-04-17 22:51:09 <lulzplzkthx> oh, okay.
2573 2011-04-17 22:51:20 <BlueMatt> yea its convenient but not as popular as it really should have been
2574 2011-04-17 22:51:23 <kiba> finally, openid is good for something
2575 2011-04-17 22:51:27 <lulzplzkthx> /usr/include/miniupnpc/upnpcommands.h:11:30: fatal error: portlistingparse.h: No such file or directory
2576 2011-04-17 22:51:31 <lulzplzkthx> wtf
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2578 2011-04-17 22:51:35 <Diablo-D3> like, for example
2579 2011-04-17 22:51:38 <lulzplzkthx> fml
2580 2011-04-17 22:51:45 <BlueMatt> lulzplzkthx: try the 1.5 version, not the latest nightly
2581 2011-04-17 22:51:46 <sipa> lulzplzkthx: use 1.5 stable
2582 2011-04-17 22:51:51 <lulzplzkthx> kk
2583 2011-04-17 22:51:56 <Diablo-D3> you'd openid into diablopool, and then get an oauth token from it for your miner (which would be using the diablopool miner protocol)
2584 2011-04-17 22:52:04 <johnlockwood> oauth can work with any identification system
2585 2011-04-17 22:52:10 <Diablo-D3> yeah, oauth CAN
2586 2011-04-17 22:52:20 <Diablo-D3> but its always being used in conjunction with openid
2587 2011-04-17 22:52:24 <Diablo-D3> they fit so well with each other
2588 2011-04-17 22:52:58 <BlueMatt> meh oid should be really popular and should have worked out but many sites used a slightly different api and it never quite caught on
2589 2011-04-17 22:53:10 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: no, they all largely use the SAME api
2590 2011-04-17 22:53:11 <BlueMatt> shame really, though many sites still use it
2591 2011-04-17 22:53:14 <lulzplzkthx> Well, FB Connect came out just a little while after
2592 2011-04-17 22:53:19 <Diablo-D3> heh
2593 2011-04-17 22:53:22 <Diablo-D3> fb connect canibalized itself
2594 2011-04-17 22:53:29 <Diablo-D3> you can use fb as an openid auth provider now
2595 2011-04-17 22:53:32 <lulzplzkthx> SO I see OAuth on tech sites, FB Connect on news sites, and kiddie sites.
2596 2011-04-17 22:53:35 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: same api, but incompatible in various small ways
2597 2011-04-17 22:53:38 <lulzplzkthx> Really Diablo-D3 ?
2598 2011-04-17 22:53:43 <Diablo-D3> yup
2599 2011-04-17 22:53:47 <lulzplzkthx> o.o
2600 2011-04-17 22:53:57 <Diablo-D3> so you can now use fb to login to any openid site.
2601 2011-04-17 22:54:25 <BlueMatt> nice, heres hoping openid becomes the auth of choice, though sadly I think it wont unless fb pushes oid fb auth
2602 2011-04-17 22:54:25 <lulzplzkthx> interesting.
2603 2011-04-17 22:54:38 <luke-jr> OpenID ftl
2604 2011-04-17 22:54:43 <lulzplzkthx> Can someone explain to me why everyone is upset with Google for privacy issues?
2605 2011-04-17 22:54:45 <luke-jr> it requires HTML rendering
2606 2011-04-17 22:54:50 <lulzplzkthx> A) Targeted keywords, nbody is reading your emails.
2607 2011-04-17 22:54:56 <lulzplzkthx> B) They are generally opt-in shit. Learn to read.
2608 2011-04-17 22:55:01 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: thats what you use it for, WEBSITE auth
2609 2011-04-17 22:55:05 <lulzplzkthx> I think that covers everything?
2610 2011-04-17 22:55:05 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: what you want is oauth.
2611 2011-04-17 22:55:30 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: if it's only useful on websites, it defeats the purpose (which is to have a single signon)
2612 2011-04-17 22:55:38 <luke-jr> website-only != single signon
2613 2011-04-17 22:55:44 <BlueMatt> lulzplzkthx: I tend to agree, but non-techs dont typically get all the shit
2614 2011-04-17 22:55:51 <Diablo-D3> well, it also depends how you define "html"
2615 2011-04-17 22:55:56 <lulzplzkthx> SMS Backup+ uses OAuth.
2616 2011-04-17 22:56:06 <BlueMatt> lulzplzkthx: like the whole german streetview crap
2617 2011-04-17 22:56:09 <lulzplzkthx> BlueMatt: heard about the facial recognition for searching for someone thing?
2618 2011-04-17 22:56:12 <luke-jr> Global ID is nice :P
2619 2011-04-17 22:56:16 <Diablo-D3> I can easily push the html forms on most openid sites and grab the cookies back
2620 2011-04-17 22:56:39 <Diablo-D3> but anything thats not webbased shouldnt be using login apis like that
2621 2011-04-17 22:56:39 <BlueMatt> lulzplzkthx: the what?
2622 2011-04-17 22:56:45 <Diablo-D3> they should be using auth tokens
2623 2011-04-17 22:56:54 <Diablo-D3> which in this system, is provided by oauth
2624 2011-04-17 22:57:01 <lulzplzkthx> Supposedly Google's making an app that you can opt-in to have your face recognized with Google Goggles to get your info up (I'm assuming Google Profile.)
2625 2011-04-17 22:57:06 <lulzplzkthx> Similar to QR codes, but your face.
2626 2011-04-17 22:57:19 <Diablo-D3> lulzplzkthx: which would be an interesting way of doing openid
2627 2011-04-17 22:57:26 <lulzplzkthx> Google denies it, but one of their engineers said it in an interview, with a PR guy next to them who gave no objections.
2628 2011-04-17 22:57:26 <BlueMatt> hm haven't heard about it. Im betting not in hell would google release that
2629 2011-04-17 22:57:38 <BlueMatt> make it, yea probably
2630 2011-04-17 22:57:40 <Diablo-D3> it'd be 100% optional
2631 2011-04-17 22:57:41 <BlueMatt> release it no way
2632 2011-04-17 22:57:44 <luke-jr> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Authentication_Server
2633 2011-04-17 22:57:44 <Diablo-D3> and it'd be very secure auth
2634 2011-04-17 22:57:48 <lulzplzkthx> Here's my thing though: As much as I would NOT do that.. it'd be optional, opt-in.
2635 2011-04-17 22:57:52 <lulzplzkthx> So why's it a big deal?
2636 2011-04-17 22:58:07 <Diablo-D3> theres at least one major openid provider that supports finger print scanners
2637 2011-04-17 22:58:16 <BlueMatt> I agree, its not, but the mainstream would see that and be like WTF and it would not look good for google
2638 2011-04-17 22:58:27 <BlueMatt> who is already fighting so hard to maintin a good rep with the public
2639 2011-04-17 22:58:31 <Diablo-D3> so if you have the hardware, you install a blob of software, hit the openid auth website, and the backend does shit
2640 2011-04-17 22:58:35 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
2641 2011-04-17 22:58:36 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.085,"low":1.0251,"vol":10769,"buy":1.05,"sell":1.0501,"last":1.05}}
2642 2011-04-17 22:59:24 <BlueMatt> though I dont know why fb gets a pass. They already have stuff which tags people's photos automatically as they scan for similar things in each photo which gets uploaded (no opt-out there)
2643 2011-04-17 22:59:26 <lulzplzkthx> [zim@Gir bitcoin]$ ./bitcoind
2644 2011-04-17 22:59:26 <lulzplzkthx> Warning: To use bitcoind, you must set rpcpassword=<password>
2645 2011-04-17 22:59:35 <lulzplzkthx> Oh, shit, my bad.
2646 2011-04-17 22:59:38 <lulzplzkthx> rcp vs rpc :P
2647 2011-04-17 23:00:40 <JFK911> oh lawdy
2648 2011-04-17 23:01:02 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: I'd love that for my personal photo collectionâ¦
2649 2011-04-17 23:01:12 <luke-jr> but I don't want to rely on someone else
2650 2011-04-17 23:01:19 <lulzplzkthx> http://pastebin.com/6DgLaxn4
2651 2011-04-17 23:01:21 <lulzplzkthx> fml.
2652 2011-04-17 23:01:51 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: there are several programs that do that. iPhoto, photoshop elements iirc...
2653 2011-04-17 23:02:19 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: those don't sound free
2654 2011-04-17 23:02:21 <Diablo-D3> so, would people actually be interested in an openid site catering to bitcoin?
2655 2011-04-17 23:02:26 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: GIMP
2656 2011-04-17 23:02:31 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: oh free...
2657 2011-04-17 23:02:35 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: that does facial recogition?
2658 2011-04-17 23:02:36 <lulzplzkthx> oh
2659 2011-04-17 23:02:36 <lulzplzkthx> i lied
2660 2011-04-17 23:02:37 <lulzplzkthx> lmao
2661 2011-04-17 23:02:39 <lulzplzkthx> hahaha sorry
2662 2011-04-17 23:02:52 <lulzplzkthx> i missed what we were talking about...
2663 2011-04-17 23:02:53 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr windows * r90d98db1af84 spesmilo/ (7 files in 2 dirs): fallback icons from public domain Tango icon library http://tinyurl.com/3hhaote
2664 2011-04-17 23:02:57 <jrabbit> luke-jr: theres a crap ton of photo manager things
2665 2011-04-17 23:03:04 <jrabbit> darkroom looks nice to me
2666 2011-04-17 23:03:09 <luke-jr> jrabbit: none that work as nice as facebook that I've seen
2667 2011-04-17 23:03:10 <jrabbit> but theres others
2668 2011-04-17 23:03:11 <luke-jr> not seen that
2669 2011-04-17 23:03:22 <jrabbit> then you haven't looked lol.
2670 2011-04-17 23:03:25 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: everything is free on warez-bb ;)
2671 2011-04-17 23:03:26 <lulzplzkthx> So yeah, bitcoind is hanging again on getaccountaddress.
2672 2011-04-17 23:03:29 <luke-jr> yes I have
2673 2011-04-17 23:03:32 <lulzplzkthx> BlueMatt: or torrents...
2674 2011-04-17 23:03:34 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: I said free, not gratis.
2675 2011-04-17 23:03:42 <lulzplzkthx> Torrents! What this was modeled on...
2676 2011-04-17 23:03:56 <luke-jr> jrabbit: Google fails to find darkroom
2677 2011-04-17 23:04:05 <BlueMatt> lulzplzkthx: only remotely
2678 2011-04-17 23:04:08 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: do you have a full block chain yet?
2679 2011-04-17 23:04:08 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: I see no evidence Bitcoin has any relation to BitTorrent
2680 2011-04-17 23:04:15 <lulzplzkthx> lfm: Nope.
2681 2011-04-17 23:04:17 <BlueMatt> p2p has been around for a lot longer than bittorrent
2682 2011-04-17 23:04:18 <lulzplzkthx> And I'm not getting any either.
2683 2011-04-17 23:04:22 <jrabbit> lern 2 google
2684 2011-04-17 23:04:33 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: Decentralized, swarm-based, relies on client trust.
2685 2011-04-17 23:04:43 <lulzplzkthx> And by swarm-based I guess I mean who you're connected to.
2686 2011-04-17 23:04:49 <BlueMatt> so does any other p2p network
2687 2011-04-17 23:04:54 <lulzplzkthx> Indeed.
2688 2011-04-17 23:04:56 <lulzplzkthx> Bitcoin
2689 2011-04-17 23:04:57 <lulzplzkthx> Bittorrent
2690 2011-04-17 23:05:00 <lulzplzkthx> Notice anything there?
2691 2011-04-17 23:05:10 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: well your first problem should be to get a full block chain, BEFORE you try your account command thingy
2692 2011-04-17 23:05:13 <BlueMatt> again p2p has been around for a lot longer than bittorrent and bitcoin isnt based on it
2693 2011-04-17 23:05:15 <lulzplzkthx> lol okay lfm
2694 2011-04-17 23:05:17 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: you're a n00b :D
2695 2011-04-17 23:05:21 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: ^_^
2696 2011-04-17 23:05:30 <lulzplzkthx> ls
2697 2011-04-17 23:06:08 <lulzplzkthx> Regardless: Bittorrent vs Bitcoin sounds like a pattern...
2698 2011-04-17 23:06:26 <BlueMatt> Im sure stoshi got some small inspiration from bittorrent, but even the idea of decentralized currency has been around longer than bittorrent
2699 2011-04-17 23:06:53 <Blitzboom> i feel bitcoin doesnât remotely get as much attention as it should
2700 2011-04-17 23:06:58 <Blitzboom> by economists, philosophers etc.
2701 2011-04-17 23:06:59 <lfm> its very loose, both are distributed nets without centralized servers
2702 2011-04-17 23:07:05 redengin has joined
2703 2011-04-17 23:07:09 <kiba> Blitzboom: blah, we're only a six million dollars economy
2704 2011-04-17 23:07:09 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: its new, give it time
2705 2011-04-17 23:07:14 <kiba> we're small fries
2706 2011-04-17 23:07:23 <Blitzboom> yes, but it WORKS
2707 2011-04-17 23:07:30 <lfm> kiba not really even that
2708 2011-04-17 23:07:48 <blablaa> Blitzboom, it works especially if people continue to join, eh?
2709 2011-04-17 23:08:01 <blablaa> Blitzboom, too easy
2710 2011-04-17 23:08:03 <lulzplzkthx> IRC socket closed
2711 2011-04-17 23:08:03 <lulzplzkthx> IRC waiting 71 seconds to reconnect
2712 2011-04-17 23:08:06 <lulzplzkthx> that doesn't sound good?
2713 2011-04-17 23:08:10 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: it works and does nothing...yet until we get merchants and such it is worthless to non-techies
2714 2011-04-17 23:08:10 <kiba> we still have yet to exceed an MMO's economy
2715 2011-04-17 23:08:50 <lulzplzkthx> kiba: MMO economy's don't have a 1:1 USD exchange rate
2716 2011-04-17 23:08:57 <Blitzboom> BlueMatt: no. economists and philosophers donât care about that
2717 2011-04-17 23:09:04 <lfm> kiba well we may have exceded SOME mmos economy, like some very small mmo somewhere
2718 2011-04-17 23:09:06 <Blitzboom> they only care about theoretical bullshit and possible implications
2719 2011-04-17 23:09:07 <Diablo-D3> heh
2720 2011-04-17 23:09:09 <Diablo-D3> depends on the MMO
2721 2011-04-17 23:09:21 <Diablo-D3> gold farmers on WoW do $$$$$$$4
2722 2011-04-17 23:09:21 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: well we dont have any implications yet...really
2723 2011-04-17 23:09:46 <Blitzboom> no? decentralized cash has no implications?
2724 2011-04-17 23:09:56 <lulzplzkthx> no blocks yet lfm.
2725 2011-04-17 23:10:00 <Diablo-D3> >implications out of 4chan
2726 2011-04-17 23:10:02 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: it is unreasonable to think bitcoin could replace a currency in a full economy, it is great for some things but a full blown economy-backing currency, no
2727 2011-04-17 23:10:15 <Diablo-D3> its unreasonable to think any of this matters
2728 2011-04-17 23:10:16 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: wtf?
2729 2011-04-17 23:10:17 <Diablo-D3> we use it
2730 2011-04-17 23:10:19 <Diablo-D3> thats good enough
2731 2011-04-17 23:10:21 <Blitzboom> who says i would think so?
2732 2011-04-17 23:10:24 <BlueMatt> and to most economists its a distributed facebook credits
2733 2011-04-17 23:10:25 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: can you tell if you have any connections at all yet?
2734 2011-04-17 23:10:32 <lulzplzkthx> lfm: how?
2735 2011-04-17 23:10:36 <Blitzboom> well, most economists suck
2736 2011-04-17 23:10:39 <lulzplzkthx> I have plenty of those IRC got joins and AddAddress()
2737 2011-04-17 23:10:41 <lulzplzkthx> but that's all i can see.
2738 2011-04-17 23:10:57 <lfm> the getinfo command shows connections maybe anothe rcommand too
2739 2011-04-17 23:11:03 <BlueMatt> and the distributed part is only interesting to techies, only sort of interesting to economists
2740 2011-04-17 23:11:05 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: if Bitcoin *doesn't* replace a currency in a full economy, it's doomed
2741 2011-04-17 23:11:10 <lulzplzkthx> lfm: getinfo is hanging.
2742 2011-04-17 23:11:16 <lulzplzkthx> never mind.
2743 2011-04-17 23:11:16 <Diablo-D3> lol
2744 2011-04-17 23:11:18 <Blitzboom> no itâs not, lulzplzkthx
2745 2011-04-17 23:11:19 <lulzplzkthx> 0 connections.
2746 2011-04-17 23:11:19 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: not irc, no
2747 2011-04-17 23:11:19 <Diablo-D3> "dpomed"
2748 2011-04-17 23:11:20 <Blitzboom> luke-jr:
2749 2011-04-17 23:11:35 <Blitzboom> it works perfectly fine in niches
2750 2011-04-17 23:11:37 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: not at all true
2751 2011-04-17 23:11:49 <luke-jr> Blitzboom: only because of the speculation that it grows beyond a niche
2752 2011-04-17 23:11:55 <Blitzboom> no
2753 2011-04-17 23:11:58 <xelister> wazup Blitzboom. rate > 1.00; So you're making profit now? :)
2754 2011-04-17 23:12:01 <Blitzboom> even if it stays there
2755 2011-04-17 23:12:08 <xelister> I wonder will it reach 1.5 soon
2756 2011-04-17 23:12:09 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: There are a few reasons it will never replace an economy.
2757 2011-04-17 23:12:25 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: no, BTC would be very much ideal for internet transactions (like fb credits/paypal) but just its own currency
2758 2011-04-17 23:12:25 <Blitzboom> xelister: not only now :D but yeah, demand looking good at the moment @ mtgox
2759 2011-04-17 23:12:27 <lulzplzkthx> A. It relies on trust a lot more than normal money. There are bugs, because it's all software, etc.
2760 2011-04-17 23:12:29 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: convince me and I'm selling out
2761 2011-04-17 23:12:40 <BlueMatt> replacing a economy-backing currency really just wouldnt work with btc
2762 2011-04-17 23:12:46 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: it seems like you should just start with a new install of the standard 0.3.20 and let it run for a few hours without touching it then see what its done
2763 2011-04-17 23:12:47 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: nonsense
2764 2011-04-17 23:12:48 <Blitzboom> of course it would
2765 2011-04-17 23:12:51 <lulzplzkthx> B. Dammit, I swear I had another one.
2766 2011-04-17 23:12:54 <Blitzboom> why not?
2767 2011-04-17 23:12:57 <BlueMatt> no monetary policy to start with
2768 2011-04-17 23:13:06 <Blitzboom> we need monetary policy?
2769 2011-04-17 23:13:06 <lulzplzkthx> lfm: But .3.20 will crash every 10 secs.
2770 2011-04-17 23:13:07 <Blitzboom> ridiculous
2771 2011-04-17 23:13:13 <BlueMatt> not that the us does anything good with it
2772 2011-04-17 23:13:19 <Blitzboom> so you say bitcoin is doomed because it has no central bank
2773 2011-04-17 23:13:25 <BlueMatt> but a german should understand that it is important
2774 2011-04-17 23:13:37 <Blitzboom> do explain
2775 2011-04-17 23:13:40 <BlueMatt> no, I say it cant replace a country's currency because it doesnt have one
2776 2011-04-17 23:13:45 <BlueMatt> s/cant/wont/
2777 2011-04-17 23:13:51 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: well it doesnt crash for 100s of other people so why are you so special?
2778 2011-04-17 23:13:53 <Blitzboom> yeah, but country is not economy
2779 2011-04-17 23:13:55 <BlueMatt> govts wont give up control like that
2780 2011-04-17 23:14:05 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: by definition, pretty much
2781 2011-04-17 23:14:11 <Blitzboom> governments have nothing to do with economy, it could perfectly function without them
2782 2011-04-17 23:14:16 <lulzplzkthx> lfm: It does crash for a few others though.
2783 2011-04-17 23:14:18 <blablaa> BlueMatt, well, but if it falls you've nobody to complain to? :P
2784 2011-04-17 23:14:25 <lulzplzkthx> Those few others are running variations of Linux.
2785 2011-04-17 23:14:26 <blablaa> BlueMatt, heh
2786 2011-04-17 23:14:29 <Blitzboom> economy = humans
2787 2011-04-17 23:14:32 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: ok why are they so special?
2788 2011-04-17 23:14:33 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: no
2789 2011-04-17 23:14:34 <lulzplzkthx> PayCoin is one of them.
2790 2011-04-17 23:14:37 <Blitzboom> yes it is
2791 2011-04-17 23:14:41 <lulzplzkthx> lfm: wtf you want me to say?
2792 2011-04-17 23:14:43 <Blitzboom> humans making corporations and trades
2793 2011-04-17 23:14:46 <lulzplzkthx> Point is: it won't run.
2794 2011-04-17 23:14:48 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: govts control the economy, or are supposed to in economic theory
2795 2011-04-17 23:14:54 <lulzplzkthx> Properly.
2796 2011-04-17 23:15:00 <BlueMatt> s/control/influence strongly/
2797 2011-04-17 23:15:13 <Blitzboom> why would they be needed?
2798 2011-04-17 23:15:25 <Blitzboom> to back it up?
2799 2011-04-17 23:15:33 <Blitzboom> to force others to pay taxes with it?
2800 2011-04-17 23:15:34 <dbitcoin> ;;bc,stats
2801 2011-04-17 23:15:36 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118894 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 49 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 hours, 58 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92768.46793528
2802 2011-04-17 23:15:36 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: no to keep it sane
2803 2011-04-17 23:15:43 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: well you havnt told us anything that would explain why it fails or how exactly it fails. what do you expect us to say?
2804 2011-04-17 23:15:49 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: ever heard of the business cycle?
2805 2011-04-17 23:15:54 <blablaa> Blitzboom, with a central bank, there is someone responsible for it
2806 2011-04-17 23:16:01 <Blitzboom> yes
2807 2011-04-17 23:16:18 <Blitzboom> and i believe itâs a load of bullshit
2808 2011-04-17 23:16:28 <BlueMatt> without some form of attempted control/restraint an economy would go out of control
2809 2011-04-17 23:16:30 <Blitzboom> why must there be done something about a recession?
2810 2011-04-17 23:16:32 <BlueMatt> think 2008 x 20
2811 2011-04-17 23:16:38 <luke-jr> Blitzboom: no, governments are needed to regulate an economy
2812 2011-04-17 23:16:43 <lulzplzkthx> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=5322.0
2813 2011-04-17 23:16:46 <luke-jr> but I agree, they don't need to regulate the currency itself
2814 2011-04-17 23:16:47 <lulzplzkthx> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4904.0
2815 2011-04-17 23:16:49 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: nothign we can understand anyway. I know your trying to tell us something but ...
2816 2011-04-17 23:17:16 <lulzplzkthx> lfm ^ I have mentioned these multiple times. I have no idea if it's the actual issue, only a guess.
2817 2011-04-17 23:17:18 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: that is one of the most important ways govts regulate economies
2818 2011-04-17 23:17:20 <Blitzboom> the goverments only delayed the recession until it all comes crashing down
2819 2011-04-17 23:17:30 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: ???
2820 2011-04-17 23:17:34 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: why?
2821 2011-04-17 23:17:43 <Blitzboom> BlueMatt: what the fuck did they do? nothing
2822 2011-04-17 23:17:46 <Blitzboom> nothing changed
2823 2011-04-17 23:17:51 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: WHAT?
2824 2011-04-17 23:17:52 <Blitzboom> they only backed banks and corporations
2825 2011-04-17 23:17:55 <Blitzboom> with tax payerâs money
2826 2011-04-17 23:18:05 <luke-jr> taxpayers' *
2827 2011-04-17 23:18:10 <blablaa> Blitzboom, and that is definitely something
2828 2011-04-17 23:18:11 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: the govt didnt make the right choices, but if they hadnt done that we would all be FUCKED right now
2829 2011-04-17 23:18:19 <Blitzboom> no, in the long term that is not viable
2830 2011-04-17 23:18:21 <BlueMatt> most people would literally have lost everything
2831 2011-04-17 23:18:28 <BlueMatt> does it matter?
2832 2011-04-17 23:18:30 <Blitzboom> in the long term it wonât work
2833 2011-04-17 23:18:36 <Blitzboom> yes, BlueMatt, the long term matters
2834 2011-04-17 23:18:40 <BlueMatt> in the short term we would be in a recession 10x worse than anything
2835 2011-04-17 23:18:41 <blablaa> Blitzboom, in the short term, unemployment is at 15% instead of 30%
2836 2011-04-17 23:18:50 <edcba> openid is shit
2837 2011-04-17 23:18:51 <BlueMatt> which means in the long term we would be equally as fucked
2838 2011-04-17 23:18:56 <lulzplzkthx> klol edcba
2839 2011-04-17 23:18:57 <Blitzboom> you are sounding like addicts
2840 2011-04-17 23:19:00 * edcba lags
2841 2011-04-17 23:19:01 <BlueMatt> blablaa: more like 50%
2842 2011-04-17 23:19:23 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: seriously take a macroeconomics class
2843 2011-04-17 23:19:35 <blablaa> BlueMatt, well, i used 30% as a lower estimate
2844 2011-04-17 23:19:56 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: in any case, couldn't banks regular the currency with fractional reserve banking, still?
2845 2011-04-17 23:20:01 <luke-jr> and government regulate the banks?
2846 2011-04-17 23:20:03 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: I dont disagree that bitcoin has great niche uses and possibly even more mainstream ones
2847 2011-04-17 23:20:14 <BlueMatt> but backing an economy entirely out of bitcoin isnt reasonable
2848 2011-04-17 23:20:20 <lulzplzkthx> lfm: Is that useful to you?
2849 2011-04-17 23:20:22 <kiba> why?
2850 2011-04-17 23:20:25 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: only to a point
2851 2011-04-17 23:20:27 <Blitzboom> what is an economy, BlueMatt?
2852 2011-04-17 23:20:28 <edcba> BlueMatt: why ?
2853 2011-04-17 23:20:28 <lulzplzkthx> lfm: I think it may be getting no connections becuase the port may not be forwarded.
2854 2011-04-17 23:20:34 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: effectively a country
2855 2011-04-17 23:20:40 <Blitzboom> ridiculous
2856 2011-04-17 23:20:41 <lulzplzkthx> (I think it's forwarded to my laptop, which isn't at home right now. I'm on it.)
2857 2011-04-17 23:20:51 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: that is the economic definition dont argue that
2858 2011-04-17 23:20:52 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: btw, good to see someone else here isn't an insane anarchist :P
2859 2011-04-17 23:20:53 <Blitzboom> i believe that this type of economy is obsolete
2860 2011-04-17 23:20:55 <kiba> if the bitcoin economy is bigger than several nations' GDP, then isn't its own country?
2861 2011-04-17 23:20:59 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: ;)
2862 2011-04-17 23:21:18 <kiba> instead of thinking in countries, maybe we should think in the global economy
2863 2011-04-17 23:21:20 <Blitzboom> fashists ftw
2864 2011-04-17 23:21:23 <Blitzboom> fascists*
2865 2011-04-17 23:21:26 <luke-jr> kiba: globalization ftl
2866 2011-04-17 23:21:30 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: ok now that is just ridiculous
2867 2011-04-17 23:21:37 <BlueMatt> kiba: good point
2868 2011-04-17 23:21:46 <Blitzboom> globalization ftl? you must be kidding
2869 2011-04-17 23:21:47 <BlueMatt> kiba: to the first post not the second
2870 2011-04-17 23:21:52 <Blitzboom> seriously, wtf
2871 2011-04-17 23:21:56 <edcba> globalization is more like USA-ization right now...
2872 2011-04-17 23:22:06 <Blitzboom> yes, but that will change
2873 2011-04-17 23:22:12 <kiba> bitcoin will globalize the economy
2874 2011-04-17 23:22:13 <edcba> i hope so :)
2875 2011-04-17 23:22:17 <luke-jr> we need to split all the big super-nations up ;)
2876 2011-04-17 23:22:18 <BlueMatt> bitcoin could effectively be considered its own economy if it grows a TON, but I meant more in the irl economic sense
2877 2011-04-17 23:22:22 <lulzplzkthx> Wow, my router hates lynx.
2878 2011-04-17 23:22:26 <lulzplzkthx> And has fucked up code.
2879 2011-04-17 23:22:28 toffoo has quit ()
2880 2011-04-17 23:22:33 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: port forwarding is NOT required. you make outgoing conmnections anyway and thats all you really need to get started
2881 2011-04-17 23:22:38 <lulzplzkthx> I thought so lfm
2882 2011-04-17 23:22:42 <kiba> bitcoin right now pretty much encompass the western world
2883 2011-04-17 23:22:49 <BlueMatt> kiba: it will globalize the internet economy ie digital goods etc
2884 2011-04-17 23:22:49 <lulzplzkthx> But I mean, I figured it was worth a shot if i"m getting no connections.
2885 2011-04-17 23:22:52 <kiba> the only area we didn't reach is Asia
2886 2011-04-17 23:23:10 <BlueMatt> lulzplzkthx: just forward the ports manually
2887 2011-04-17 23:23:10 toffoo has joined
2888 2011-04-17 23:23:11 <Blitzboom> what about the middle east, africa, india?
2889 2011-04-17 23:23:16 <blablaa> BlueMatt, anyway perhaps it isn't worth to debate how to define "one economy"
2890 2011-04-17 23:23:19 <luke-jr> Blitzboom: Israel has an exchange
2891 2011-04-17 23:23:23 <kiba> don't hear anything form the middle east or africa
2892 2011-04-17 23:23:25 <blablaa> BlueMatt, i would go to the next topic :)
2893 2011-04-17 23:23:25 <kiba> India, I heard
2894 2011-04-17 23:23:28 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: better idea to try would be some -addnode= options on the command line
2895 2011-04-17 23:23:29 <luke-jr> I know I've seen South Africans here
2896 2011-04-17 23:23:35 <Blitzboom> luke-jr: yup, but i speak of arabic countries
2897 2011-04-17 23:23:35 <lulzplzkthx> BlueMatt: can't, i'm not at home. i can only do it through my router, and i can't get there w/o a browser.
2898 2011-04-17 23:23:42 <lulzplzkthx> lfm: i thought about that.
2899 2011-04-17 23:23:43 <lulzplzkthx> k h/o
2900 2011-04-17 23:23:48 <luke-jr> Blitzboom: hmm, I wonderâ¦
2901 2011-04-17 23:23:49 <Blitzboom> and south africa doesnât count either, itâs very western
2902 2011-04-17 23:23:52 <kiba> BlueMatt: what stopping bitcoin from globalizing physical good?
2903 2011-04-17 23:24:14 <luke-jr> can we get the Palestinians and illegal occupants to go to war in mining? :p
2904 2011-04-17 23:24:15 <BlueMatt> well, not that it really matters, no one has any idea what bitcoin will be, we can only debate what bitcoin can be and that isnt worth debating. Why not spend our efforts making it all that we think it can be
2905 2011-04-17 23:24:28 <Blitzboom> agree, BlueMatt
2906 2011-04-17 23:24:48 <Blitzboom> but using bitcoin and demonizing globalization â¦
2907 2011-04-17 23:24:50 <Blitzboom> my mind was blown
2908 2011-04-17 23:25:08 <devrandom_> I think the word "globalization" has additional baggage
2909 2011-04-17 23:25:10 <lulzplzkthx> I suddenly have 1 connection, and am getting multiples of 550 blocks.
2910 2011-04-17 23:25:15 <BlueMatt> I wasnt daemonizing globalization that I do disagree with
2911 2011-04-17 23:25:17 <lulzplzkthx> lfm: Thanks, the fallback node "ndrix.com" seems to be working.
2912 2011-04-17 23:25:20 <lulzplzkthx> What exactly do those do?
2913 2011-04-17 23:25:32 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: sounds good. /me introduces Binary Bitcoin, Trinary Bitcoin, Quaternary Bitcoin, â¦
2914 2011-04-17 23:25:44 <BlueMatt> lulzplzkthx: work when irc sint
2915 2011-04-17 23:25:50 <BlueMatt> s/sint/isnt/
2916 2011-04-17 23:25:50 <lulzplzkthx> Ah.
2917 2011-04-17 23:26:05 <lulzplzkthx> So basically my IRC must not be working? :S
2918 2011-04-17 23:26:11 <BlueMatt> possibly
2919 2011-04-17 23:26:18 <lulzplzkthx> Does the IRC rely on wxwidgets, do you know?
2920 2011-04-17 23:26:25 <BlueMatt> though once you get it going for a while peer exchange should take over and it wont matter
2921 2011-04-17 23:26:27 <lfm> no
2922 2011-04-17 23:26:28 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: no
2923 2011-04-17 23:26:29 <lulzplzkthx> I'm really unsure as to whether I have the correct wxwidgets dependencies.
2924 2011-04-17 23:26:30 <JFK911> why dont you just run the binary\
2925 2011-04-17 23:26:39 <BlueMatt> bitcoind doesnt depend at all on wx
2926 2011-04-17 23:26:43 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: wx sucks. install Spesmilo
2927 2011-04-17 23:26:44 <BlueMatt> and runs just fine without it
2928 2011-04-17 23:26:50 <lulzplzkthx> I hate wx too.
2929 2011-04-17 23:26:57 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: Spesmilo is Qt
2930 2011-04-17 23:27:03 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: you dont even need wx for bitcoind
2931 2011-04-17 23:27:27 <lulzplzkthx> lfm: Logic would lead me to believe that, but I read differently.
2932 2011-04-17 23:27:29 <BlueMatt> oh well Im off, always fun discussing this stuff with you'll
2933 2011-04-17 23:27:32 <devrandom_> for many globalization means large corporations making deals with despotic governments, stuff like that
2934 2011-04-17 23:27:46 <lulzplzkthx> Oh, that was old. satoshi said so July 26th he changed it. Okay.
2935 2011-04-17 23:27:48 <Blitzboom> cu
2936 2011-04-17 23:27:52 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: well you can build bitcoind without installing wx
2937 2011-04-17 23:28:18 <lulzplzkthx> WHOA :O Two connections.
2938 2011-04-17 23:28:20 <lfm> ya very old
2939 2011-04-17 23:28:29 <BlueMatt> devrandom_: remind me sometime when jgarzik and gavinandresen are both on that the your build stuff + other how-to-package ideas need to be discussed at length
2940 2011-04-17 23:28:42 <BlueMatt> IMHO
2941 2011-04-17 23:28:50 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: what OS?
2942 2011-04-17 23:29:15 <lulzplzkthx> Arch Linux, sir.
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2944 2011-04-17 23:29:31 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: does it have PySide?
2945 2011-04-17 23:29:48 <lulzplzkthx> I can get it from the User Repos.
2946 2011-04-17 23:29:57 <lulzplzkthx> But I don't need wx at all.
2947 2011-04-17 23:30:27 <luke-jr> git clone git://gitorious.org/bitcoin/spesmilo.git && cd spesmilo && make local && make && ./spesmilo
2948 2011-04-17 23:30:35 <lulzplzkthx> it didn't hang on getaccountaddress :)
2949 2011-04-17 23:31:02 <devrandom_> BlueMatt - okay...
2950 2011-04-17 23:32:28 <devrandom_> BlueMatt - although I'm not sure how often all four of us are here at once
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2953 2011-04-17 23:38:11 <xelister> heh interesting fact about linux
2954 2011-04-17 23:38:17 <xelister> Kmail is being developed by fucking retards
2955 2011-04-17 23:38:38 <xelister> it's sad since there is no other really features-rich comfortable gui email client
2956 2011-04-17 23:40:41 <devrandom_> thunderbird is okay
2957 2011-04-17 23:40:41 <luke-jr> xelister++
2958 2011-04-17 23:40:46 <luke-jr> devrandom_: no it isn't
2959 2011-04-17 23:41:35 <xelister> examples how kmail sucks cocks
2960 2011-04-17 23:41:41 <xelister> it shows dates in usafags format
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2962 2011-04-17 23:41:55 <xelister> while in usafags format, it sorts by dates USING STRING COMPARSION
2963 2011-04-17 23:42:37 <xelister> so, according to kmail we have dates: 12/01/2009 12/01/2010 and 12/01/2011 next to eachother, then 2nd of november in years 2009,2010,2011 and so on. (in search window)
2964 2011-04-17 23:42:40 <Diablo-D3> who cares
2965 2011-04-17 23:42:45 <Diablo-D3> quit being a fag and use mutt
2966 2011-04-17 23:42:51 <xelister> I care when I search motherfucking 5000 emails to find one email
2967 2011-04-17 23:42:52 <luke-jr> xelister: stop using USA format
2968 2011-04-17 23:43:03 <xelister> luke-jr: I don't, do I look like usafag to you, really?
2969 2011-04-17 23:43:12 <phantomcircuit> yeah be a real man and use unix timestamps
2970 2011-04-17 23:43:20 <phantomcircuit> also
2971 2011-04-17 23:43:23 <phantomcircuit> that's hilarious
2972 2011-04-17 23:43:26 <phantomcircuit> kfail
2973 2011-04-17 23:43:42 <xelister> phantomcircuit: that is what I always do, iso format. but kmail does it differently. Dot see config for that
2974 2011-04-17 23:43:54 <xelister> but that STRING COMPARING DATES in marvelous
2975 2011-04-17 23:43:59 <xelister> *is
2976 2011-04-17 23:44:17 <xelister> also, search arbitrarly limits number of filters in advanced search to 10 (why not 16?)
2977 2011-04-17 23:44:41 <xelister> also... search can process 10 messages per second with simple rules like From: field != {10 names}
2978 2011-04-17 23:45:06 <xelister> also, you can't search in search results, nor can you append/save searche filters, and oh also previous search is cleared on each use =)
2979 2011-04-17 23:45:08 <phantomcircuit> which backend are you using?
2980 2011-04-17 23:45:15 <xelister> anyway, kmail sucks mother fucking balls for searching
2981 2011-04-17 23:45:28 <xelister> it would be more comfortable to export mbox to sql or just grep the mbox.
2982 2011-04-17 23:45:36 <sgornick> ;;bc,mtgox
2983 2011-04-17 23:45:37 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.14,"low":1.0255,"vol":19829,"buy":1.071,"sell":1.1099,"last":1.1099}}
2984 2011-04-17 23:45:47 <phantomcircuit> xelister, kde3.5?
2985 2011-04-17 23:46:08 <jgarzik> sgornick: yeah, chewed right through big quantities at $1.08 and $1.10
2986 2011-04-17 23:46:17 <luke-jr> xelister: mbox ftl
2987 2011-04-17 23:46:18 <xelister> and above is just 1 bug. Don't get me started on how kmail crashes randomly since ... almost half the time how long Ati cards are crashing =)
2988 2011-04-17 23:46:47 <xelister> btw Diablo-D3 -doublebuffer gets me 610M on 5970 @805
2989 2011-04-17 23:46:58 <xelister> :)
2990 2011-04-17 23:47:20 <phantomcircuit> xelister, kde3.5?
2991 2011-04-17 23:47:33 <xelister> kde 4.5.5
2992 2011-04-17 23:47:52 <phantomcircuit> kmail is probably using the unified backend then
2993 2011-04-17 23:48:00 <phantomcircuit> in which case search will likely be retarded
2994 2011-04-17 23:48:03 <luke-jr> :|
2995 2011-04-17 23:48:03 <Diablo-D3> xelister: out of what?
2996 2011-04-17 23:48:10 <luke-jr> I am scared of 4.5
2997 2011-04-17 23:48:18 <xelister> with nepomuku, the marketing whiz-shit the authors called "symatic search" that does god knows what and eats 100% cpu on default instalation all the time
2998 2011-04-17 23:48:49 <phantomcircuit> nepomuku?
2999 2011-04-17 23:48:54 <phantomcircuit> i think you spelled that wrong
3000 2011-04-17 23:49:10 <xelister> I dont know, but it makes me want to do a seppuku
3001 2011-04-17 23:49:14 <Diablo-D3> *systematic
3002 2011-04-17 23:49:24 <phantomcircuit> semantic
3003 2011-04-17 23:49:31 <comboy> ;;bc,mtgox
3004 2011-04-17 23:49:31 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.14,"low":1.0255,"vol":20054,"buy":1.0802,"sell":1.1099,"last":1.11}}
3005 2011-04-17 23:49:39 <comboy> wee
3006 2011-04-17 23:49:52 <phantomcircuit> xelister, akonadi
3007 2011-04-17 23:50:44 <xelister> oh yea, also on each start kmail shows some "akonadi errors" window
3008 2011-04-17 23:50:48 <phantomcircuit> akonadi is basically supposed to be a uniform api for accessing mail/contacts/calendar
3009 2011-04-17 23:50:50 <xelister> thoughtfull of it
3010 2011-04-17 23:51:02 <phantomcircuit> yeah i tried to set it up
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3012 2011-04-17 23:51:06 <WakiMiko> if i run the bitcoin client on testnet, will it create a new wallet file for that?
3013 2011-04-17 23:51:14 <phantomcircuit> after about 3 hours of "WHY WONT YOU WORK" i just said fuck it
3014 2011-04-17 23:51:17 <xelister> WakiMiko: yes, in ~/.bitcoin/TESTNET
3015 2011-04-17 23:51:40 <WakiMiko> ah, thanks!
3016 2011-04-17 23:51:43 <xelister> phantomcircuit: kmail started as shitty unstable pile of shit, and then took a big leap forward
3017 2011-04-17 23:51:46 <xelister> in the same direction >_>
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3021 2011-04-17 23:52:14 <phantomcircuit> xelister, i've found that programs using Qt for more than simple interfaces tend to be unstable as fuck
3022 2011-04-17 23:52:29 <xelister> there is something to it, phantomcircuit
3023 2011-04-17 23:52:32 <xelister> korganize
3024 2011-04-17 23:52:35 <xelister> korganizer is another shit
3025 2011-04-17 23:52:48 <xelister> tried it last month, -6 months, -1 year, -2 years from now
3026 2011-04-17 23:52:51 <JFK911> k* is another shit
3027 2011-04-17 23:52:54 <JFK911> fixed that for you.
3028 2011-04-17 23:52:59 <xelister> ALWAYS it is crashing when moving Appoitments around
3029 2011-04-17 23:53:11 <xelister> esp when heaving 2 or more in same time period overlaping
3030 2011-04-17 23:53:12 <JFK911> the lesson here: use outlook or thunderbird
3031 2011-04-17 23:53:43 <xelister> thunderbird is like a retarded poor orphan uneducated village kid retard
3032 2011-04-17 23:53:45 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: bs
3033 2011-04-17 23:53:49 <xelister> in the terms of number of feautures and usability
3034 2011-04-17 23:54:07 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, i like vlc
3035 2011-04-17 23:54:19 <phantomcircuit> that's pretty much the only thing that uses qt that i actually like
3036 2011-04-17 23:54:46 <xelister> btw 3 things crash radeon 5970 that is o.c.'d to >780
3037 2011-04-17 23:54:57 <xelister> watching flash movies, esp. fullscreen
3038 2011-04-17 23:55:04 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: I only use Qt
3039 2011-04-17 23:55:10 <luke-jr> except VLC. I hate VLC. :p
3040 2011-04-17 23:55:12 <xelister> watching other fullscreen movies esp HD or other massive animations
3041 2011-04-17 23:55:15 <xelister> 3) using korganizer =)
3042 2011-04-17 23:55:22 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, so you're retarded
3043 2011-04-17 23:55:25 <phantomcircuit> good to know
3044 2011-04-17 23:55:26 <phantomcircuit> ;)
3045 2011-04-17 23:55:32 <xelister> phantomcircuit: luke-jr is master troll =)
3046 2011-04-17 23:56:11 <luke-jr> xelister: does KAddressBook work for you at all?
3047 2011-04-17 23:56:20 <luke-jr> it hasn't worked for me since they switched it
3048 2011-04-17 23:57:16 <xelister> luke-jr: it works
3049 2011-04-17 23:57:30 <xelister> by adding random addresses to auto-complete
3050 2011-04-17 23:57:38 <xelister> by adding addresses to auto-complete that I already deleted from the book
3051 2011-04-17 23:57:44 <xelister> by adding addresses to auto-complete that where never in address book
3052 2011-04-17 23:57:53 <xelister> and by NOT adding the adresses I actually wat
3053 2011-04-17 23:57:59 <xelister> *want
3054 2011-04-17 23:58:49 <luke-jr> lol
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3056 2011-04-17 23:59:01 <xelister> other then that it is an awesome program
3057 2011-04-17 23:59:32 <xelister> hopefully I didn't used it long enough to possibly bitch about them using usafags dateformat too, but I have good feeling about that