1 2011-04-18 00:00:09 <luke-jr> xelister: KDE uses the date format you configure it to, idiot
2 2011-04-18 00:00:33 <xelister> well I did configured somewhere to use normal format
3 2011-04-18 00:00:42 <bd_> xelister: Set your locale to where you are then. If you select "English (United States)" when you install, well, that's what you get.
4 2011-04-18 00:00:44 <xelister> well it is linux with milion incompatible settings for each thing
5 2011-04-18 00:01:06 <xelister> bd_: I wanted to use English language of course, but a normal date format
6 2011-04-18 00:01:13 <sipa> ;;bc,block
7 2011-04-18 00:01:13 <bd_> xelister: Actually, no, it's a system wide setting. It's determined by the environment variables LC_ALL, LC_DATE, and LANG
8 2011-04-18 00:01:14 <gribble> Error: "bc,block" is not a valid command.
9 2011-04-18 00:01:16 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
10 2011-04-18 00:01:17 <gribble> 118900
11 2011-04-18 00:01:21 <bd_> xelister: So use "English (United Kingdom)" or something
12 2011-04-18 00:01:33 <bd_> You can also set LC_DATE alone, if you prefer
13 2011-04-18 00:01:42 <xelister> my $LC_ALL and LC_DATE are empty
14 2011-04-18 00:01:55 <luke-jr> LC_ALL is supposed to be empty
15 2011-04-18 00:02:05 <bd_> sorry, LC_TIME, not LC_DATE. It'll use LC_ALL if set, then LC_DATE if not, then LANG if that's not set either
16 2011-04-18 00:02:17 <luke-jr> bd_: fail
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18 2011-04-18 00:02:35 <bd_> s/_DATE/_TIME/ gah
19 2011-04-18 00:02:59 <xelister> what is that supposed to be set, sytem wide, on noobuntu
20 2011-04-18 00:03:09 <bd_> note that you of course must have the proper locale files installed
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22 2011-04-18 00:03:40 <luke-jr> bd_: anyhow, I'm not sure KDE honours those
23 2011-04-18 00:03:51 <lfm> i think there is also another default when no env vars are set
24 2011-04-18 00:03:51 <luke-jr> KDE has its own config that lets you micromanage the format
25 2011-04-18 00:03:55 <bd_> Everything honours them by default. KDE might have some setting to override it on X session setup though
26 2011-04-18 00:04:54 <bd_> anyway, go to system -> administration -> language support
27 2011-04-18 00:05:03 <bd_> install the english locale you want and drag it to the top. done
28 2011-04-18 00:06:08 <xelister> speaking of usa fags
29 2011-04-18 00:06:15 <xelister> *usafags
30 2011-04-18 00:06:45 <xelister> so they are now torturing Bradley Manning? (so far "only" isolation and undressing + angry inmates)?
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32 2011-04-18 00:07:58 <JFK911> "now?"
33 2011-04-18 00:08:04 <JFK911> there's nothing new there
34 2011-04-18 00:08:29 <xelister> well dunno, got email from that petitions/protests for freedom website about this
35 2011-04-18 00:08:33 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
36 2011-04-18 00:08:35 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118900 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 43 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 hours, 7 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92820.59518921
37 2011-04-18 00:08:48 <JFK911> his lawyer's running a blog if you want some backstory
38 2011-04-18 00:08:57 <xelister> interesting
39 2011-04-18 00:09:17 <JFK911> but yah we live in the first world and we're not supposed to humiliate people just for grins
40 2011-04-18 00:09:41 <xelister> ha usafags and their double-standards, business as usuall
41 2011-04-18 00:09:52 * kiba yawn
42 2011-04-18 00:09:56 <JFK911> "patriotic" americans are simply tyrants
43 2011-04-18 00:10:03 <JFK911> they deserveto burn along with the government
44 2011-04-18 00:10:05 <kiba> nationalists
45 2011-04-18 00:10:09 <xelister> seen mentioned study that
46 2011-04-18 00:10:37 <dirtyfilthy> holy crap 1.15
47 2011-04-18 00:10:38 <JFK911> when i'm in charge, the question in my auschwitz reception is going to be "who did you vote for"
48 2011-04-18 00:10:42 <JFK911> reagan -> GAS CHAMBER
49 2011-04-18 00:10:44 <xelister> usafags and naive usa soliders, do not differ much from nazi / SS officers, both consider it fun to kill enemy, not just soliders but also rebels and civilians.
50 2011-04-18 00:11:23 <JFK911> selfish baby boomers should suffer slowly for the misery they inflicted on the contemporary generations
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53 2011-04-18 00:11:56 <xelister> JFK911: hm?
54 2011-04-18 00:12:00 <kiba> it's called perverse incentives
55 2011-04-18 00:12:29 * xelister watches mtgox price firing up
56 2011-04-18 00:12:35 <kiba> at the end of the day, incentives matter
57 2011-04-18 00:13:12 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
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59 2011-04-18 00:13:13 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.15,"low":1.0255,"vol":28868,"buy":1.14,"sell":1.145,"last":1.136}}
60 2011-04-18 00:13:47 <JFK911> wow
61 2011-04-18 00:13:56 <kiba> 1.1x level...cleared
62 2011-04-18 00:14:10 <luke-jr> kiba: erm, no
63 2011-04-18 00:14:12 <JFK911> i support bitcoins because they have the potential to undermine the us government and the us dollar
64 2011-04-18 00:14:12 <luke-jr> just 1.0x
65 2011-04-18 00:14:21 <kiba> oh
66 2011-04-18 00:14:25 <Diablo-D3> read again
67 2011-04-18 00:14:27 <noagendamarket> :x
68 2011-04-18 00:14:27 <Diablo-D3> the high is high
69 2011-04-18 00:14:43 <kiba> JFK911: they have the potential to undermine every national currencies in existence
70 2011-04-18 00:14:49 <kiba> democractic or dictatorial
71 2011-04-18 00:15:08 <xelister> sounds like something usafags would like to screw up
72 2011-04-18 00:15:09 <JFK911> well america is the one that matters to me most
73 2011-04-18 00:15:14 <JFK911> having grown up in the usa and been shit on by the government
74 2011-04-18 00:15:19 <JFK911> im ready to see the government burn
75 2011-04-18 00:15:32 <xelister> btw isn't recently the BRIC gaining momentum?
76 2011-04-18 00:15:37 <kiba> today, I got screwed out of 50 bucks by screwy credit card company
77 2011-04-18 00:15:39 <Diablo-D3> hrm
78 2011-04-18 00:15:44 <Diablo-D3> when the fuck did I get this many bitcoins
79 2011-04-18 00:15:46 <kiba> reloadable debit card = shitty
80 2011-04-18 00:15:55 <kiba> wut?
81 2011-04-18 00:15:57 <xelister> Diablo-D3: no problem bro you can send me the surplus
82 2011-04-18 00:16:12 <Diablo-D3> whats the newest stable version?
83 2011-04-18 00:16:17 <JFK911> isnt reloadable debit card a convenient way to end up with dollars after mtgox and liberty reserve
84 2011-04-18 00:16:29 <JFK911> i was looking at this
85 2011-04-18 00:16:32 <kiba> JFK911: but they screwed me
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87 2011-04-18 00:16:36 <Diablo-D3> reloadable debit card == a way to push cash.
88 2011-04-18 00:16:42 <JFK911> is it that panama bank?
89 2011-04-18 00:16:46 <Diablo-D3> load the card, hand the card to target
90 2011-04-18 00:16:55 <kiba> I can't log into my account after one login
91 2011-04-18 00:16:56 <Diablo-D3> no cash exchanges hands, yet the cash clearly exchanged hands
92 2011-04-18 00:16:58 grondilu has joined
93 2011-04-18 00:17:09 <grondilu> So we have a new high?
94 2011-04-18 00:17:18 <JFK911> the panama LR->Visa thing has a $5 fee for every transaction so i was thinking i would just use it at an atm
95 2011-04-18 00:17:27 <JFK911> and cash it completely out after putting LR on it
96 2011-04-18 00:17:40 <kiba> anyway
97 2011-04-18 00:17:48 <kiba> I need a new bitcoin to cash option
98 2011-04-18 00:17:52 <kiba> paypower screwed me over
99 2011-04-18 00:17:54 <xelister> grondilu: globally? it was like 1.30 ~month ago
100 2011-04-18 00:18:05 <xelister> kiba: what's paypower
101 2011-04-18 00:18:12 <noagendamarket> get two debit cards and send one to mt gox
102 2011-04-18 00:18:14 <kiba> xelister: the debit card morpheus sold to m e
103 2011-04-18 00:18:21 <noagendamarket> he wtihdraws when you deposit
104 2011-04-18 00:18:24 <xelister> to "m e" ?
105 2011-04-18 00:18:27 <kiba> to me
106 2011-04-18 00:18:33 <xelister> hmm... details?
107 2011-04-18 00:18:40 <noagendamarket> then credits your account
108 2011-04-18 00:19:00 <noagendamarket> ??profit
109 2011-04-18 00:19:10 <kiba> xelister: can't log in
110 2011-04-18 00:19:13 <kiba> shitty service
111 2011-04-18 00:19:23 <Diablo-D3> ahh
112 2011-04-18 00:19:25 <Diablo-D3> I just check my log
113 2011-04-18 00:19:30 <Diablo-D3> THATS where the coins came from
114 2011-04-18 00:19:35 <Diablo-D3> two generation events
115 2011-04-18 00:19:36 <EPiSKiNG> anyone want to play some betco.in?
116 2011-04-18 00:19:47 <kiba> customer support isn't useful so I can't set up pin number
117 2011-04-18 00:19:59 <kiba> I reset the password, try that password, couldn't log in
118 2011-04-18 00:20:48 <xelister> Diablo-D3: MPPHPPHPHphhphphphhpphhh :-D&&
119 2011-04-18 00:20:57 <grondilu> xelister: oh yeah, my bad. I took something I saw on the web for granted. Indeed we went well above 1.2$ after the first parity break
120 2011-04-18 00:20:58 <kiba> the only route I have now is paypal or btc to mail to cash
121 2011-04-18 00:21:04 <comboy> do you consider information that | 1) X knows you personally 2) X did a trade with you 3) for some exact amount | personal? in other words do you think X should share that information without your permission?
122 2011-04-18 00:21:27 * kiba grumbles
123 2011-04-18 00:21:46 <Diablo-D3> xelister: I forgot I was running my miner on a local bitcoin for awhile :D
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125 2011-04-18 00:22:07 <JFK911> Diablo-D3: did your generations come this weekedn?
126 2011-04-18 00:22:17 <JFK911> i haven't gen any on a weekend for a few weeks
127 2011-04-18 00:22:18 <Diablo-D3> JFK911: no, 2/29 and 4/04
128 2011-04-18 00:22:19 <xelister> Diablo-D3: I just trolled you :D
129 2011-04-18 00:22:21 <Diablo-D3> er 3/29
130 2011-04-18 00:22:27 <Diablo-D3> also, 4/04 lawlz
131 2011-04-18 00:22:36 <JFK911> ok yeah im thinking that this weekend mystery miner is ruining it
132 2011-04-18 00:22:40 <JFK911> if he's still doing his weekend thing
133 2011-04-18 00:22:47 <JFK911> so mayb next weeked i might shut off
134 2011-04-18 00:22:52 <JFK911> *weekend
135 2011-04-18 00:23:07 <Diablo-D3> well its not like he can "ruin" it
136 2011-04-18 00:23:13 <JFK911> well
137 2011-04-18 00:23:17 <Diablo-D3> the more he adds difficulty, the more he ruins it for himself
138 2011-04-18 00:23:22 <JFK911> when blocks get found faster, that's less time i have to work on it
139 2011-04-18 00:23:31 <Diablo-D3> also
140 2011-04-18 00:23:37 <Diablo-D3> who the fuck is spamming me with transactions
141 2011-04-18 00:23:44 <Diablo-D3> xelister: did you do this?!
142 2011-04-18 00:23:48 <xelister> :-D :happytrollface:
143 2011-04-18 00:23:59 <Diablo-D3> wagh you asshole
144 2011-04-18 00:24:03 <xelister> >_>
145 2011-04-18 00:24:16 <xelister> but you got 1.00 btc. megusta?
146 2011-04-18 00:24:18 <kiba> ?
147 2011-04-18 00:24:28 <Diablo-D3> lol I dont even see 100 yet
148 2011-04-18 00:24:33 <xelister> <_<
149 2011-04-18 00:24:39 <xelister> well wait for next 900
150 2011-04-18 00:24:47 <xelister> btw its my way of saying thx for diablominer =)
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152 2011-04-18 00:25:23 <Diablo-D3> I think my client is shorting out
153 2011-04-18 00:25:35 <Diablo-D3> dear god xelister, you trolled my client into almost locking up
154 2011-04-18 00:25:37 <Diablo-D3> good jorb
155 2011-04-18 00:25:39 <xelister> :D
156 2011-04-18 00:26:02 <kiba> clearly, the average bitcoin client have scaling problem
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158 2011-04-18 00:26:06 <xelister> yea
159 2011-04-18 00:26:08 <Diablo-D3> kiba: no shit
160 2011-04-18 00:26:10 <kiba> plus I get to type on my fang keyboard
161 2011-04-18 00:26:18 <xelister> 1000 tx. problem?
162 2011-04-18 00:26:19 <kiba> my new fang keyboard
163 2011-04-18 00:26:22 <kiba> which is great btw
164 2011-04-18 00:26:24 <JFK911> what keyboard?
165 2011-04-18 00:26:26 <kiba> (and wireless)
166 2011-04-18 00:26:26 <Diablo-D3> so
167 2011-04-18 00:26:31 <Diablo-D3> I wonder who has the oldest transaction here
168 2011-04-18 00:26:47 <kiba> JFK911: I brought a new keyboard after the old keyboard left CRTL key stop working
169 2011-04-18 00:26:52 <Diablo-D3> my oldest is 65816
170 2011-04-18 00:26:52 <JFK911> which keyboard tho
171 2011-04-18 00:26:54 <Diablo-D3> which is epic
172 2011-04-18 00:26:58 <kiba> gearhead
173 2011-04-18 00:26:59 <JFK911> did u get a mechanical kb
174 2011-04-18 00:27:03 <JFK911> hm what is gearhead
175 2011-04-18 00:27:03 <xelister> oldest = most confirms?
176 2011-04-18 00:27:05 <JFK911> is it rubber
177 2011-04-18 00:27:13 <kiba> I don't think so
178 2011-04-18 00:27:25 <kiba> it's made up plastic
179 2011-04-18 00:27:26 <Diablo-D3> xelister: yes
180 2011-04-18 00:27:35 <xelister> I should hat seted up a separate wallet to troll Diablo-D3.
181 2011-04-18 00:27:38 <xelister> *had
182 2011-04-18 00:27:46 <JFK911> ya they are priced like rubber kb
183 2011-04-18 00:27:47 <luke-jr> I still have 133% of expecting mining rewards
184 2011-04-18 00:27:56 <Diablo-D3> I need to work on my pool harder
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186 2011-04-18 00:28:06 <Diablo-D3> xelister: how much btc did you send me in total?
187 2011-04-18 00:28:08 <luke-jr> I should only have like 412 BTC from mining, but in practice I've got 550 total
188 2011-04-18 00:28:10 <xelister> luke-jr: btw recently I got 50.27 or so reward. txtax getting popular?
189 2011-04-18 00:28:18 <xelister> Diablo-D3: 10 btc
190 2011-04-18 00:28:18 <JFK911> yes
191 2011-04-18 00:28:25 <Diablo-D3> xelister: this might take awhile x_x
192 2011-04-18 00:28:36 <luke-jr> xelister: speaking of which, some idiot is flooding again
193 2011-04-18 00:28:48 <luke-jr> xelister: I don't accept any tx without a fee
194 2011-04-18 00:28:50 <Diablo-D3> that idiot is xelister
195 2011-04-18 00:28:53 <xelister> luke-jr: I can find his e-mail address for you for just 5 btc
196 2011-04-18 00:28:58 <Diablo-D3> he sent me 10btc in 0.01 btc increments.
197 2011-04-18 00:29:02 <luke-jr> lol
198 2011-04-18 00:29:05 <Diablo-D3> and my client is shitting itself.
199 2011-04-18 00:29:05 <xelister> >_>
200 2011-04-18 00:29:15 <JFK911> how can you refuse tx without fees, every block has allocation for feeless tx
201 2011-04-18 00:29:17 <xelister> use it to buy newer cpu lol :-D
202 2011-04-18 00:29:17 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: wait, srsly?
203 2011-04-18 00:29:24 <luke-jr> JFK911: not mine
204 2011-04-18 00:29:31 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: yeah
205 2011-04-18 00:29:35 <lfm> Diablo-D3: wait till you try to spend em, you get hit with fees
206 2011-04-18 00:29:42 * kiba now have 3 desktop mouses, all wireless
207 2011-04-18 00:29:43 <xelister> FabianB: hm?
208 2011-04-18 00:29:46 <Diablo-D3> lfm: er, what?
209 2011-04-18 00:29:50 * luke-jr glares at xelister
210 2011-04-18 00:29:53 <xelister> lfm: ^
211 2011-04-18 00:29:57 <xelister> luke-jr: yea?
212 2011-04-18 00:30:27 <Diablo-D3> man, can I reject feeless tx for my pool?
213 2011-04-18 00:30:38 <JFK911> if you want to be a scummy cheater, ure
214 2011-04-18 00:30:46 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: yes
215 2011-04-18 00:30:48 <JFK911> i think i'll change some rules too
216 2011-04-18 00:30:49 <xelister> Diablo-D3: you run a pool?
217 2011-04-18 00:30:51 <Diablo-D3> is it easy?
218 2011-04-18 00:30:54 <Diablo-D3> xelister: Im writing pool software
219 2011-04-18 00:31:00 <JFK911> i won't accept any tx with less than 1 btc fee
220 2011-04-18 00:31:00 <Diablo-D3> I will be also running one when its done
221 2011-04-18 00:31:01 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: yes
222 2011-04-18 00:31:25 <JFK911> when i gen blocks they will be empty and i will laugh that i hurt the queue
223 2011-04-18 00:31:30 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/w/bitcoind/luke-jr.git/commitdiff/696dc17ed7bb7a17107f5fb48b40dbb6d684eed8
224 2011-04-18 00:31:38 <Diablo-D3> sweet
225 2011-04-18 00:31:53 <Diablo-D3> get that into mainline
226 2011-04-18 00:31:57 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: that's my rules, except for a discount I added later
227 2011-04-18 00:32:04 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: nah, mainline would reject it
228 2011-04-18 00:32:18 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: also note that patch enables non-standard transactions
229 2011-04-18 00:32:21 <xelister> Diablo-D3: you want email with confirmations (pubkey things) of thoes transactions? :)
230 2011-04-18 00:32:21 <JFK911> mainline should reject anything from your branc
231 2011-04-18 00:32:29 <JFK911> in git or in the live network
232 2011-04-18 00:32:34 <Diablo-D3> xelister: nothx.
233 2011-04-18 00:32:36 <luke-jr> JFK911: shoo dummy
234 2011-04-18 00:32:46 <JFK911> well
235 2011-04-18 00:32:53 <Diablo-D3> JFK911: erm, all hes doing is rejecting feeless tx
236 2011-04-18 00:32:53 <JFK911> ive genned a lot more than u
237 2011-04-18 00:33:07 <luke-jr> JFK911: big deal
238 2011-04-18 00:33:10 <luke-jr> you've been rewarded for it
239 2011-04-18 00:33:27 <luke-jr> I see no reason to support spam.
240 2011-04-18 00:33:50 <JFK911> that's exactly what you are doing: enforcing the wishes of the spammers
241 2011-04-18 00:33:57 <xelister> micropayments are cool in bitcoin.
242 2011-04-18 00:34:17 <luke-jr> nope
243 2011-04-18 00:34:25 <Diablo-D3> can I configure what amounts I require to enable fees?
244 2011-04-18 00:35:00 <xelister> Diablo-D3: you're patching bitcoin client to reject no-txfee payments from your local mining?
245 2011-04-18 00:35:22 <Diablo-D3> xelister: no, from the pool
246 2011-04-18 00:35:29 <JFK911> "enforcing fees by filling the queue" and "enforcing fees with stricter rules that nobody else agreed to" how is it different!
247 2011-04-18 00:35:30 <xelister> btw where is some description of exact format of data[] in get/send work?
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250 2011-04-18 00:36:14 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: yep, you can reject/accept transactions based on any criteria you want
251 2011-04-18 00:36:28 <Diablo-D3> interesting.
252 2011-04-18 00:36:36 <luke-jr> JFK911: you assume the spammers are aiming for fees
253 2011-04-18 00:36:53 <lfm> xelister: data is a standard block header with sha256 padding added and byte swaps
254 2011-04-18 00:37:02 <luke-jr> JFK911: more likely, they just want to take the network down entirely
255 2011-04-18 00:37:07 <JFK911> Well
256 2011-04-18 00:37:07 <xelister> lfm: hm? isnt it some midstate thing
257 2011-04-18 00:37:16 <xelister> lfm: ok, so where is that described then?
258 2011-04-18 00:37:22 <JFK911> you could have decided to leave 0.01 spends from the same coin in the queue
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260 2011-04-18 00:37:33 <lfm> xelister: midstate is separate field from data
261 2011-04-18 00:37:47 <JFK911> rather than reject all users if your greed threshold is not met
262 2011-04-18 00:37:59 <luke-jr> JFK911: my prices are low
263 2011-04-18 00:38:16 <luke-jr> most transactions only require a .00004096 BTC fee
264 2011-04-18 00:38:26 <lfm> xelister: block headers are described in bitcoin source, dunno where else
265 2011-04-18 00:38:31 <xelister> pic price jump
266 2011-04-18 00:38:34 <luke-jr> plus, so long as you pay that small fee, I won't nitpick what your transactions contain
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268 2011-04-18 00:38:40 <luke-jr> mainline is picky
269 2011-04-18 00:38:52 <xelister> MagicalTux: megachart vertical scale slider sucks
270 2011-04-18 00:38:59 <AAA_awright> Since when did we have to have your approval to make payments, luke-jr?
271 2011-04-18 00:39:03 <JFK911> when did subdivisions lower than 0.01 start working
272 2011-04-18 00:39:11 <luke-jr> JFK911: they always worked for fees, afaik
273 2011-04-18 00:39:18 <JFK911> hm
274 2011-04-18 00:39:30 <xelister> ladies and gentellman. Buckle up for the flight to 1.5.
275 2011-04-18 00:39:34 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: since I made the block
276 2011-04-18 00:39:47 <luke-jr> JFK911: .21 has <0.01 fixed for everything, thanks to my branch being merged
277 2011-04-18 00:39:49 * kiba wonders when there's going to be a correction
278 2011-04-18 00:40:06 <xelister> some1 bought 14k
279 2011-04-18 00:40:07 <AAA_awright> luke-jr: You say that as if you have a monopoly on block-making
280 2011-04-18 00:40:11 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: nope
281 2011-04-18 00:40:18 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: JFK911 is whining that I don't accept no-fee tx in my blocks
282 2011-04-18 00:40:22 * xelister patents block making
283 2011-04-18 00:40:32 <Diablo-D3> 1.5?
284 2011-04-18 00:40:33 <AAA_awright> luke-jr: I'm inclined to agree
285 2011-04-18 00:40:33 <kiba> xelister: don't see it yet
286 2011-04-18 00:40:36 <Diablo-D3> 1.5 of what?
287 2011-04-18 00:40:42 <xelister> usd/btc
288 2011-04-18 00:40:45 <AAA_awright> There's plenty of space in the blocks
289 2011-04-18 00:40:45 <JFK911> luke-jr was inspired by government's attempts collect postage costs on emails
290 2011-04-18 00:41:04 <luke-jr> JFK911: that might not be a bad idea, actually
291 2011-04-18 00:41:07 <kiba> there's going to be a fee in version .21?
292 2011-04-18 00:41:11 <JFK911> oh lawdy
293 2011-04-18 00:41:13 <luke-jr> JFK911: and the internet at large is considering it in the form of proof-of-work
294 2011-04-18 00:41:17 <JFK911> is it 1996 again :)
295 2011-04-18 00:41:26 <luke-jr> kiba: afaik .21 doesnt change policies at all
296 2011-04-18 00:41:34 <luke-jr> kiba: but my branch to fix subcent precision is merged
297 2011-04-18 00:41:44 <luke-jr> kiba: so you can receive 0.0100001 fine
298 2011-04-18 00:41:52 <kiba> oh cool
299 2011-04-18 00:42:01 <brycek> is there a JSON-RPC API to get the inputs to a transaction?
300 2011-04-18 00:42:09 <kiba> now somebody can send 3.14whatever to xkcd for the laugh
301 2011-04-18 00:42:16 <bencoder> new all time high?
302 2011-04-18 00:42:23 <AAA_awright> You always could I thought, kiba
303 2011-04-18 00:42:43 <AAA_awright> If hindered by a UI implementation
304 2011-04-18 00:43:02 <luke-jr> kiba: XD
305 2011-04-18 00:43:11 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: nope
306 2011-04-18 00:43:36 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: I mean, you could on the network, but bitcoind also was broken
307 2011-04-18 00:44:12 <AAA_awright> I thought bitcoind worked in atomic units
308 2011-04-18 00:44:18 <kiba> what's holding up the next release?
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310 2011-04-18 00:44:34 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: it does
311 2011-04-18 00:45:06 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: there was a bug in coin selection, and as a result, the JSON-RPC interface rounded everything to 0.01 BTC
312 2011-04-18 00:45:23 <luke-jr> AAA_awright: I fixed the bug. Gavin changed JSON-RPC and wx to allow it.
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314 2011-04-18 00:47:23 <JFK911> hm
315 2011-04-18 00:47:56 <JFK911> i like ignoring spam, there has to be a better way to decide what is spam thou
316 2011-04-18 00:48:12 <JFK911> email works without spam
317 2011-04-18 00:48:20 <AAA_awright> email works with spam
318 2011-04-18 00:48:24 <AAA_awright> Why is spam an issue?
319 2011-04-18 00:48:29 <JFK911> im not getting any spam is the point
320 2011-04-18 00:48:43 <JFK911> bitcoin spam backs up the tx queue
321 2011-04-18 00:48:53 <AAA_awright> That's what fees are for
322 2011-04-18 00:49:07 <luke-jr> JFK911: go ahead. I'll just reject spam-like transactions, and get something more productive done until then.
323 2011-04-18 00:49:07 <JFK911> why dont we have fees for email then
324 2011-04-18 00:49:18 <luke-jr> JFK911: people are adding fees for email.
325 2011-04-18 00:49:22 <luke-jr> proof-of-work
326 2011-04-18 00:49:33 <JFK911> never had an email rejected due to this
327 2011-04-18 00:49:40 <AAA_awright> How else are you going to decide what is a good transaction and what isn't, except where people put their money?
328 2011-04-18 00:50:06 <JFK911> "10 coins spent in one tx with no fee added, must be spam"
329 2011-04-18 00:50:58 <AAA_awright> I think the train of thought you have JFK911 is Bitcoin can have fees because the fee is a component of the transaction, whereas such a system in email would need to link into a 3rd party payment system
330 2011-04-18 00:51:14 <AAA_awright> And a non-monetary cost system is largely counterproductive
331 2011-04-18 00:51:32 <JFK911> why? if you moved all email to outlook, the service provider could collect fees, just like the post does
332 2011-04-18 00:51:35 <AAA_awright> As is the bitcoin block generation
333 2011-04-18 00:51:53 <JFK911> And microsoft floated this idea
334 2011-04-18 00:51:55 theorbtwo has joined
335 2011-04-18 00:59:33 <luke-jr> so anyone see the space station?
336 2011-04-18 00:59:50 <brycek> the ISS?
337 2011-04-18 01:00:15 <JFK911> it appears quite frequently
338 2011-04-18 01:00:25 <luke-jr> o
339 2011-04-18 01:00:31 <luke-jr> well, I just got a video of it :P
340 2011-04-18 01:00:34 <brycek> i saw parts of it at KSC once
341 2011-04-18 01:00:51 <ghshephard> Woah.
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343 2011-04-18 01:01:14 * kiba is trying ./configure on namecoin
344 2011-04-18 01:01:17 <kiba> to no avail!
345 2011-04-18 01:01:57 <JFK911> luke, nasa has a website where you put in your latlon or postcode and results in a list of viewing times
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347 2011-04-18 01:03:03 <kiba> how does one build bitcoin?
348 2011-04-18 01:03:06 <kiba> ./configure?
349 2011-04-18 01:03:26 <brycek> no
350 2011-04-18 01:03:28 <xelister> xkcd.com author is on #bitcoin-otc now
351 2011-04-18 01:03:31 <xelister> *** xkcd.com author is on #bitcoin-otc now ***
352 2011-04-18 01:03:36 euclid has joined
353 2011-04-18 01:03:41 <xelister> AND I JUST TROLLED HIM LIKE Diablo-D3 LOL
354 2011-04-18 01:03:45 * xelister :-D
355 2011-04-18 01:03:51 <JFK911> how troll him>
356 2011-04-18 01:03:54 <JFK911> goatkcd.com links?
357 2011-04-18 01:04:04 <xelister> Jkessler: for (( i=1; i<=100; i++ )) ; do echo $i ; ~/bitcoind sendtoaddress 1Lg2rvxbBPC8jp2YJoV5xL7sdyTjueMUot 0.01 ; done
358 2011-04-18 01:04:04 <brycek> lol do it
359 2011-04-18 01:04:05 <Diablo-D3> who did what now?
360 2011-04-18 01:04:07 <brycek> goatkcd rules
361 2011-04-18 01:04:10 <JFK911> goatkcd is a lot funnier and relevant than xkcd
362 2011-04-18 01:04:41 <Diablo-D3> -_-
363 2011-04-18 01:04:42 <brycek> better art too
364 2011-04-18 01:04:51 <Diablo-D3> so basically it just copies the whole thing and replaces it with goatse
365 2011-04-18 01:04:59 <xelister> Diablo-D3: no, go back
366 2011-04-18 01:05:07 <brycek> had a script for a while that did that to penny arcade
367 2011-04-18 01:05:19 xlogik has joined
368 2011-04-18 01:05:55 <Diablo-D3> no, I mean, it just chops the art out
369 2011-04-18 01:05:57 <Diablo-D3> but keeps the text
370 2011-04-18 01:06:31 Landon has joined
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372 2011-04-18 01:10:09 <kiba> hey
373 2011-04-18 01:10:10 <kiba> um
374 2011-04-18 01:10:12 <kiba> xkcd
375 2011-04-18 01:10:17 <kiba> whoops
376 2011-04-18 01:10:17 <kiba> um
377 2011-04-18 01:10:27 <kiba> anybody know how to build namecoin/bitcoin?
378 2011-04-18 01:10:33 <brycek> what OS?
379 2011-04-18 01:10:40 <kiba> unix
380 2011-04-18 01:10:43 <Diablo-D3> namecoin?!
381 2011-04-18 01:10:49 <xelister> ?
382 2011-04-18 01:10:54 <brycek> which unix?
383 2011-04-18 01:10:59 <kiba> archlinux
384 2011-04-18 01:11:07 <brycek> i built bitcoind on mac os x yesterday, was some effort
385 2011-04-18 01:11:14 <kiba> do you do ./configure?
386 2011-04-18 01:11:21 <brycek> there's a readme.unix iirc
387 2011-04-18 01:11:37 mmoya has joined
388 2011-04-18 01:12:28 <xelister> I sent xkcd 4 more btc
389 2011-04-18 01:12:30 <xelister> in same way >_>
390 2011-04-18 01:12:43 <kiba> got it building!
391 2011-04-18 01:12:51 <Diablo-D3> wtf is namecoin?
392 2011-04-18 01:13:00 <brycek> basically you have to track down some libraries, maybe edit the makefile to tweak some paths (I did on mac), and i also had to edit a cpp file to remove some upnp stuff
393 2011-04-18 01:14:24 <lfm> you took out the upnp stuff? naughty naughty
394 2011-04-18 01:14:52 <brycek> i didn't feel like getting the library configured since it wasn't in homebrew
395 2011-04-18 01:16:30 Orbixx has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
396 2011-04-18 01:16:31 <kiba> http://pastie.org/1805497
397 2011-04-18 01:16:33 <kiba> anyway
398 2011-04-18 01:17:49 <kiba> anybody wants to help me build this namecoin?
399 2011-04-18 01:17:54 <lfm> what version wx are you on?
400 2011-04-18 01:18:01 <noagendamarket> namefagcoin ?
401 2011-04-18 01:18:03 <luke-jr> brycek: make USE_UPNP= has the same effect
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403 2011-04-18 01:18:25 <kiba> lfm: no idea
404 2011-04-18 01:18:27 <kiba> noagendamarket: ?
405 2011-04-18 01:18:36 <brycek> luke-jr: I was having problems with some stuff in init.cpp not being ifdef'd, and -/ in emacs was easier than doing the right thing
406 2011-04-18 01:18:43 <kiba> this is the decentralized DNS system we're waiting for
407 2011-04-18 01:18:44 <noagendamarket> kiba it was a 4chan reference lol
408 2011-04-18 01:18:57 <redwyrm> how actively used is bitcoin?
409 2011-04-18 01:19:07 <lulzplzkthx> redwyrm: as used as... never mind
410 2011-04-18 01:19:17 <lfm> redwyrm: every day
411 2011-04-18 01:19:20 <brycek> more then flooz, less than skymiles
412 2011-04-18 01:19:24 <kiba> it seems that I have wxrc-2.8 and wxrc-2.9, lfm
413 2011-04-18 01:19:26 <brycek> s/then/than/
414 2011-04-18 01:19:49 <kiba> 400,000 USD worth of bitcoin had been traded within the last 30 days
415 2011-04-18 01:19:53 <AAA_awright> What is namecoin?
416 2011-04-18 01:20:00 <lfm> kiba should try to use just 2.9 prolly
417 2011-04-18 01:20:03 <kiba> decentralized registration system
418 2011-04-18 01:20:14 <kiba> lfm: ok...how do I do that?
419 2011-04-18 01:20:15 <brycek> https://github.com/vinced/namecoin
420 2011-04-18 01:20:18 <AAA_awright> Like what we're doing in ##dns-p2p ?
421 2011-04-18 01:21:08 <kiba> have they figured out the decentralized registration system yet?
422 2011-04-18 01:21:09 <noagendamarket> AAA_awright a bit different
423 2011-04-18 01:21:44 <redwyrm> kiba: ahhh
424 2011-04-18 01:21:57 <redwyrm> how well is it supported in Google Chrome and Firefox?
425 2011-04-18 01:22:07 <kiba> what do you mean by that, redwyrm?
426 2011-04-18 01:22:16 <redwyrm> the "ahh" or the question?
427 2011-04-18 01:22:24 <kiba> qestion
428 2011-04-18 01:22:27 <kiba> question*
429 2011-04-18 01:22:27 <AAA_awright> noagendamarket: Different how?
430 2011-04-18 01:22:29 <AAA_awright> https://groups.google.com/group/dns-20/browse_thread/thread/26d37428dc29b16b
431 2011-04-18 01:22:31 <kiba> still don't what you ahh for
432 2011-04-18 01:22:36 mmoya has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
433 2011-04-18 01:22:38 <Diablo-D3> you know
434 2011-04-18 01:22:42 <Diablo-D3> no one ever answered my question
435 2011-04-18 01:22:44 LightRider has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
436 2011-04-18 01:22:48 <kiba> nobody answered mine yet
437 2011-04-18 01:22:56 <kiba> Diablo-D3: didn't see you ask any question
438 2011-04-18 01:23:05 <kiba> oh
439 2011-04-18 01:23:18 Orbixx has joined
440 2011-04-18 01:23:26 <redwyrm> kiba: because I'm thinking that it would be very beneficial to have a plugin for the most popular browsers that is user-friendly
441 2011-04-18 01:23:32 <kiba> lfm: can you tell me, ya?
442 2011-04-18 01:23:37 <redwyrm> kiba: I was thinking of writing one, but I'm not sure if I have the time to :(
443 2011-04-18 01:23:44 <kiba> redwyrm: somebody worked a bitcoin plugin for chrome
444 2011-04-18 01:24:03 <redwyrm> do you know the URL...?
445 2011-04-18 01:24:05 <Diablo-D3> would anyone be interested in an openid provider centered around bitcoin
446 2011-04-18 01:24:08 <redwyrm> or I can just google it :)
447 2011-04-18 01:24:14 <Diablo-D3> kiba: ^
448 2011-04-18 01:24:19 <luke-jr> redwyrm: probably not difficult to add a protocol handler for bitcoin: URIs
449 2011-04-18 01:24:20 <kiba> https://github.com/kiba/chrome-bitcoin
450 2011-04-18 01:24:32 <kiba> Diablo-D3: you mean oauth?
451 2011-04-18 01:24:33 <luke-jr> kiba: you forgot to register it with BitGit
452 2011-04-18 01:24:45 <Diablo-D3> kiba: no
453 2011-04-18 01:24:52 <redwyrm> luke-jr: I'm not sure a protocol handler is the best way.
454 2011-04-18 01:25:03 <luke-jr> redwyrm: that's the first step
455 2011-04-18 01:25:06 <Diablo-D3> kiba: oauth is a security token API that is often used with openid
456 2011-04-18 01:25:10 <redwyrm> I'm skeptical of that
457 2011-04-18 01:25:10 <noagendamarket> Diablo-D3 we might be
458 2011-04-18 01:25:10 <noagendamarket> witcoin uses open id
459 2011-04-18 01:25:19 <Diablo-D3> cool
460 2011-04-18 01:25:21 <lulzplzkthx> kiba: does that client work right now?
461 2011-04-18 01:25:28 <lulzplzkthx> that sounds very, very neat.
462 2011-04-18 01:25:34 <redwyrm> kiba: thanks! I'll look at that
463 2011-04-18 01:25:35 <luke-jr> redwyrm: you'd rather have some monopoly for a plugin client?
464 2011-04-18 01:25:39 <lulzplzkthx> you need a readme.
465 2011-04-18 01:25:48 <noagendamarket> open id+bitcoin sounds like its full of win
466 2011-04-18 01:26:02 <luke-jr> kiba: http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/regproj.cgi
467 2011-04-18 01:26:05 <brycek> do bitcoind json-rpc api consumers have access to all transaction inputs & outputs, or just ones that are on that bitcoind?
468 2011-04-18 01:26:31 <luke-jr> brycek: neither.
469 2011-04-18 01:26:32 <kiba> lulzplzkthx: it's not much of a client and it connect to your local bitcoin daemon
470 2011-04-18 01:26:41 <luke-jr> brycek: JSON-RPC only does transactions, not inputs/outputs
471 2011-04-18 01:26:43 <Diablo-D3> whats the most recognizable bitcoin domain?
472 2011-04-18 01:26:47 <redwyrm> luke-jr: if the plugin is open-source, then a monopoly is fine by me
473 2011-04-18 01:26:51 <kiba> lfm: so how do I tell it to use 2.9 and not 2.8
474 2011-04-18 01:26:55 <luke-jr> redwyrm: fail
475 2011-04-18 01:27:04 <lulzplzkthx> kiba: connecting locally is best. but maybe offer a config option?
476 2011-04-18 01:27:13 <luke-jr> redwyrm: anyhow, Spesmilo already supports integration with KDE for bitcoin: URIs; Chrome and Firefox would be nice
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478 2011-04-18 01:27:16 <redwyrm> luke-jr: well, as long as the backend has no centralization
479 2011-04-18 01:27:22 <lfm> kiba depends on your system
480 2011-04-18 01:27:22 <redwyrm> like, no central servers...
481 2011-04-18 01:27:25 <lulzplzkthx> Config would just change what page it accesses
482 2011-04-18 01:27:34 <kiba> lfm: so umm...
483 2011-04-18 01:27:36 <Diablo-D3> anyone?
484 2011-04-18 01:27:37 <kiba> can't build it then..
485 2011-04-18 01:27:42 <Diablo-D3> because I'd like to get a subdomain off of it
486 2011-04-18 01:27:50 <brycek> luke-jr: would it be in bitcoind somewhere or would I basically need to go hunting through blocks?
487 2011-04-18 01:28:04 <brycek> basically i want a way to bounce back a refund if I get too much for a transaction
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491 2011-04-18 01:28:31 <luke-jr> brycek: well, listtransactions will show the source address for anything you receive
492 2011-04-18 01:28:43 <luke-jr> inputs/outputs aren't addresses though
493 2011-04-18 01:29:41 <brycek> ahhhh, they're transactions
494 2011-04-18 01:30:54 <brycek> hmm, beer or red wine?
495 2011-04-18 01:31:44 mmoya has joined
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500 2011-04-18 01:39:16 <lulzplzkthx> What do you guys think about a betting game based on when the next block will come?
501 2011-04-18 01:39:29 <lulzplzkthx> Guess within, say, 30 seconds and get 500% what you bet.
502 2011-04-18 01:39:40 <lulzplzkthx> Maybe not that much...
503 2011-04-18 01:39:51 Orbixx_ has joined
504 2011-04-18 01:39:52 <lulzplzkthx> Because they could end up betting so much that they would no matter what (almost) win.
505 2011-04-18 01:39:57 <lfm> miners might have advance info
506 2011-04-18 01:40:00 <xelister> lulzplzkthx: can be rigged
507 2011-04-18 01:40:05 <xelister> but intereestin idea
508 2011-04-18 01:40:28 <xelister> lulzplzkthx: its a common fallacy, the doulbe-on-loose strategy is not always winning
509 2011-04-18 01:40:31 <lulzplzkthx> lfm, xelister: They might be able to guess they're about to solve it, but can't be sure?
510 2011-04-18 01:40:40 <tcatm> lulzplzkthx: it might very well be worth it to hold back a block for those 30s
511 2011-04-18 01:40:41 <xelister> yea I suppose
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513 2011-04-18 01:40:58 <lulzplzkthx> tcatm: Ah.
514 2011-04-18 01:41:09 <lfm> lulzplzkthx: they find one but hold onto it till they place their bet
515 2011-04-18 01:41:16 <lulzplzkthx> Interesting.
516 2011-04-18 01:41:19 <tcatm> reduces mining profit by approx. 5%, though
517 2011-04-18 01:41:44 <lulzplzkthx> To be honest, I don't have the funds to start such a thing with my 0.03 BTC, but it's an interesting idea.
518 2011-04-18 01:41:58 <lulzplzkthx> I might provide the code if someone wants to fund it, but you guys have pointed out some issues, so idk.
519 2011-04-18 01:42:30 <lfm> require bets placed before previous block drops
520 2011-04-18 01:42:33 <lulzplzkthx> Perhaps you have to bet before the block.
521 2011-04-18 01:42:35 <lulzplzkthx> Yeah.
522 2011-04-18 01:42:49 <lulzplzkthx> So you'd be for the next block during the current block.
523 2011-04-18 01:42:53 <lulzplzkthx> bet*
524 2011-04-18 01:43:14 * kiba earns 0.03 BTC a day
525 2011-04-18 01:43:50 <lulzplzkthx> kiba: pool mining?
526 2011-04-18 01:43:55 <kiba> nope
527 2011-04-18 01:43:59 <lulzplzkthx> loll, how?
528 2011-04-18 01:44:06 <lfm> then superminer finds block hold it back till he finds another block then bets and then releases both
529 2011-04-18 01:44:10 <kiba> I sell advertising space
530 2011-04-18 01:44:18 <lulzplzkthx> Ah
531 2011-04-18 01:44:27 <lulzplzkthx> lfm: ?
532 2011-04-18 01:44:36 <comboy> ;;bc,mtgox
533 2011-04-18 01:44:37 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.1999,"low":1.0256,"vol":32784,"buy":1.176,"sell":1.1998,"last":1.1997}}
534 2011-04-18 01:44:37 <lulzplzkthx> THere would still be a risk, but a reduced risk.
535 2011-04-18 01:44:43 <lulzplzkthx> You wouldn't be able to bet after you found it
536 2011-04-18 01:44:50 <lulzplzkthx> You would still be able to hold it back until your bet if you found one.
537 2011-04-18 01:45:04 <lulzplzkthx> As long as pool mines don't try to cheat me...
538 2011-04-18 01:45:40 <lulzplzkthx> Oh, slight issue...
539 2011-04-18 01:45:45 <lulzplzkthx> Well...
540 2011-04-18 01:46:00 <lulzplzkthx> Okay, my 'slight issue' is taht you wouldn't know when a starting time for the next block is.
541 2011-04-18 01:46:07 <lulzplzkthx> So it would make the guessing much more difficult... but?
542 2011-04-18 01:46:19 <sacarlson> so I learned that I can't get my minner to even try to produce coin if it's not connected to at least one node so the production of just the first coin is taking me alot of resources, any other way to start this?
543 2011-04-18 01:46:58 <sacarlson> for my protocoin
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545 2011-04-18 01:48:27 <noagendamarket> sacarlson pay some miners btc to connect to your blockchain ?
546 2011-04-18 01:48:43 <noagendamarket> or at least redeem the coins they mine :)
547 2011-04-18 01:48:51 <sacarlson> I'm toooo poor for that
548 2011-04-18 01:49:22 <sacarlson> how about I just change that number 120 minimum to start to 5
549 2011-04-18 01:49:59 <lulzplzkthx> How does BitcoinMonitor track when a block is created?
550 2011-04-18 01:50:08 <lulzplzkthx> Also, whoever owns it, transaction + block is broken.
551 2011-04-18 01:50:11 <lulzplzkthx> I think.
552 2011-04-18 01:51:37 <Diablo-D3> [09:23:22] <Diablo-D3> whats the most recognizable bitcoin domain?
553 2011-04-18 01:52:38 <retinal> dot org
554 2011-04-18 01:52:40 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,blocks
555 2011-04-18 01:52:40 <gribble> 118911
556 2011-04-18 01:52:42 <noagendamarket> yes
557 2011-04-18 01:52:47 <Diablo-D3> when was the last block genned?
558 2011-04-18 01:52:53 <comboy> Diablo-D3: grasshillalpacas.com
559 2011-04-18 01:53:05 <Diablo-D3> comboy: :D :D :D :D :D
560 2011-04-18 01:53:08 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: mtgox.com ?
561 2011-04-18 01:53:21 <Diablo-D3> no, generic bitcoin
562 2011-04-18 01:53:36 <Diablo-D3> I dont think the owner of bitcoin.org is going to give me openid.bitcoin.org
563 2011-04-18 01:54:10 <lulzplzkthx> bitcoin.it
564 2011-04-18 01:54:14 <noagendamarket> bitcoin.me ?
565 2011-04-18 01:54:21 <lulzplzkthx> weusecoins.com is a cool domain.
566 2011-04-18 01:54:25 <lulzplzkthx> and a good one for openid i think
567 2011-04-18 01:54:33 <lulzplzkthx> that'd be good for any kind of user stuff, email, etc.
568 2011-04-18 01:54:39 <lulzplzkthx> john@weusecoins.com
569 2011-04-18 01:55:01 <lulzplzkthx> Seems like the kind of thing DynDNS would offer.
570 2011-04-18 01:55:05 <noagendamarket> noagenda@bitcoin.me is better
571 2011-04-18 01:55:11 <lulzplzkthx> :\
572 2011-04-18 01:55:23 <lulzplzkthx> lulzplzkthx@bitcoin.me
573 2011-04-18 01:55:23 <noagendamarket> :)-
574 2011-04-18 01:55:27 <lulzplzkthx> lulzplzkthx@weusecoins.com
575 2011-04-18 01:55:32 <lulzplzkthx> No, I'm digging the "weusecoins"
576 2011-04-18 01:55:37 <lulzplzkthx> :P
577 2011-04-18 01:55:45 <lulzplzkthx> weusecoins seems to also remind me of Mario so...
578 2011-04-18 01:56:29 <sacarlson> I guess this is the line I will need to change for my experiment script.cpp: if (vch1.size() < 33 || vch1.size() > 120)
579 2011-04-18 01:56:30 <lulzplzkthx> Should I just shutdown my raffle thing and give out the sauce to people who want it? :\
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581 2011-04-18 01:57:56 <witten> sacarlson: what are you doing with script.cpp?
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583 2011-04-18 01:58:39 <sacarlson> witten: I was hoping to make it override the need to create 120 blocks before you can spend them or get accounted holding them
584 2011-04-18 01:58:58 <witten> ah ok
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586 2011-04-18 02:00:34 <lulzplzkthx> I'm confused about Satoshi.
587 2011-04-18 02:00:47 <lulzplzkthx> Like, is he a complete joke, or is there some truth behind his existence? o.o
588 2011-04-18 02:00:50 <kiba> what are you confused about?
589 2011-04-18 02:00:53 <Diablo-D3> no, he exists
590 2011-04-18 02:00:53 <kiba> lulzplzkthx: nobody knows
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592 2011-04-18 02:01:03 <Diablo-D3> he just went very private after bitcoin became popular
593 2011-04-18 02:01:08 <witten> I heard he's a hologram created by mitsubishi
594 2011-04-18 02:01:14 <Diablo-D3> witten: no, samsung
595 2011-04-18 02:01:25 <brycek> witten: close, actually by a mitsubishi
596 2011-04-18 02:01:25 <witten> joint venture between mitsubishi and samsung
597 2011-04-18 02:01:29 <kiba> he's....a legend!
598 2011-04-18 02:01:30 <Diablo-D3> sony is leasing him to be the next male AI singer
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600 2011-04-18 02:01:39 <brycek> satoshi is justin bieber
601 2011-04-18 02:01:48 <Diablo-D3> whats a bieber?
602 2011-04-18 02:01:58 <lulzplzkthx> o.o
603 2011-04-18 02:01:58 <brycek> luke-jr: i'm not seeing input transactions in listtransactions
604 2011-04-18 02:02:09 <kiba> Satoshi is everywhere and nowhere.
605 2011-04-18 02:02:22 <kiba> Satoshi could be all of us, or none of us.
606 2011-04-18 02:02:30 <kiba> Satoshi came from nowhere and dissappeared to nowhere, but his coins are everywhere.
607 2011-04-18 02:02:39 <kiba> Satoshi has no past, no future, and no present, but his creation is immortal.
608 2011-04-18 02:02:43 <brycek> satoshi was a sentient piñata filled with bitcoins and candy
609 2011-04-18 02:02:47 <kiba> Satoshi is an idea. Satoshi has inspired all of us. Satoshi is a legend.
610 2011-04-18 02:02:50 <noagendamarket> lawl
611 2011-04-18 02:03:02 <noagendamarket> Satoshi is not jeebus
612 2011-04-18 02:03:36 <noagendamarket> hes from planet x :x
613 2011-04-18 02:03:51 <brycek> from planet XD
614 2011-04-18 02:04:18 <Diablo-D3> from my dick, which is so big its often confused for a planet
615 2011-04-18 02:04:26 <kiba> and that who Satoshi Nakamoto is
616 2011-04-18 02:04:32 <brycek> uh i think you mean atomic nucleus
617 2011-04-18 02:04:42 <Diablo-D3> ask your mom
618 2011-04-18 02:04:53 <Diablo-D3> shes currently staying with a lesbian collective living on the surface of my dick
619 2011-04-18 02:04:55 <brycek> you are lucky she has electron microscope access
620 2011-04-18 02:05:06 <lulzplzkthx> Satoshi is like the writer of the Bible. He was just writing a story and people took him seriously.
621 2011-04-18 02:05:14 <lulzplzkthx> ^ Why he disappeared.
622 2011-04-18 02:05:27 <Diablo-D3> Satoshi is really Chuck Norris.
623 2011-04-18 02:05:30 <Diablo-D3> There, I said it.
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625 2011-04-18 02:05:47 <lulzplzkthx> Who wants to bet Al Gore will claim to be Satoshi?
626 2011-04-18 02:05:58 <lulzplzkthx> After all, since he invented the Internet...
627 2011-04-18 02:05:58 <Diablo-D3> no, he just invented Satoshi
628 2011-04-18 02:07:36 <lulzplzkthx> Why isn't data directory an option in the Bitcoin Client Settings?
629 2011-04-18 02:07:45 <lulzplzkthx> Oh, can it go in bitcoin.conf?
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631 2011-04-18 02:11:26 <xelister> I know true identity of Satoshi
632 2011-04-18 02:11:35 <lulzplzkthx> It's me.
633 2011-04-18 02:11:37 <xelister> there is a movie about him. actually few years old
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636 2011-04-18 02:12:54 <lulzplzkthx> I'm going to make a Bitcoin bank...
637 2011-04-18 02:12:59 <xelister> 10 BTC to 17W4JTWiXTNjhiqGsfe2pKRUrn7f4SaGf5 to get me to say where I found reference to possible satoshi like guy ;) (its probably not true, but cool, and it is old ;)
638 2011-04-18 02:13:22 <jgarzik> lulzplzkthx: I'll sell you bitbanc.com for bitcoins, if you have a reasonable bid
639 2011-04-18 02:14:10 * xelister offers abibas.com
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641 2011-04-18 02:15:16 <lulzplzkthx> Lol, I change my mind. I dont' have the time to do that.
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643 2011-04-18 02:15:28 <lulzplzkthx> It would be neat to see one though.
644 2011-04-18 02:16:01 <lulzplzkthx> xelister: japanese video game designer who created pokemon?
645 2011-04-18 02:16:13 <xelister> lulzplzkthx: nope
646 2011-04-18 02:17:30 <lulzplzkthx> wha's opencoin?
647 2011-04-18 02:17:32 <xelister> someone that could pass for Satoshi for few reasons, was feautured in a video, that was actually well-known (10,000,000+ audiance). curious to know what it was - 10 btc :P
648 2011-04-18 02:17:59 <lulzplzkthx> xelister: if i had the btc :P
649 2011-04-18 02:18:14 <xelister> lulzplzkthx: you can buy for 15 usd @ mtgox or others =)
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651 2011-04-18 02:18:22 <xelister> lots of tradesr @ bitcoin-otc ;)
652 2011-04-18 02:18:22 <luke-jr> xelister: I bid 10 TBC
653 2011-04-18 02:18:23 <lulzplzkthx> xelister: I'm 15 and have no job.
654 2011-04-18 02:18:31 <fabianhjr> lulzplzkthx: so?
655 2011-04-18 02:18:36 <lulzplzkthx> SO I have no $15.
656 2011-04-18 02:18:44 <lulzplzkthx> My parents don't give me allowance or money when I feel like it.
657 2011-04-18 02:18:49 <lulzplzkthx> I have to make my own.
658 2011-04-18 02:18:52 <fabianhjr> I have more than that and it is easy, how can you make those?
659 2011-04-18 02:18:58 <xelister> lulzplzkthx: with big cups size there is a chance.... ;)
660 2011-04-18 02:19:09 <xelister> (best in 1 year tho, or a trip to the Pope lol)
661 2011-04-18 02:19:10 <lulzplzkthx> xelister: I'm also not a girl.
662 2011-04-18 02:19:12 <kiba> lulzplzkthx: do you have a web host?
663 2011-04-18 02:19:18 <xelister> lulzplzkthx: dissapointing
664 2011-04-18 02:19:27 <kiba> well
665 2011-04-18 02:19:31 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: minors have no private property rights, so anything you 'make' is your parents' too
666 2011-04-18 02:19:39 <lulzplzkthx> kiba: No. I have a server, but it's located on my 1.5 Mbps conn.
667 2011-04-18 02:19:41 <xelister> luke-jr: usa sucks
668 2011-04-18 02:19:42 <xelister> anyway
669 2011-04-18 02:19:48 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: I know. It's bullshit.
670 2011-04-18 02:19:53 <kiba> I offer 5 BTC for a good piece of writing
671 2011-04-18 02:19:54 <lulzplzkthx> Filing for emancipation in a year.
672 2011-04-18 02:20:02 <lulzplzkthx> kiba: Writing on what?
673 2011-04-18 02:20:02 <kiba> http://bitcoinweekly.com
674 2011-04-18 02:20:07 <kiba> Bitcoin
675 2011-04-18 02:20:14 <luke-jr> xelister: it's universal natural law
676 2011-04-18 02:20:15 <lulzplzkthx> Tomorrow I'm going to write something. :)
677 2011-04-18 02:20:16 <kiba> check the submission page
678 2011-04-18 02:20:27 <kiba> read the page
679 2011-04-18 02:21:12 <xelister> lulzplzkthx: so you want? it is a bit of a joke (e.g. the video was NOT about reall events) BUT there was some related idea (about money, banking and making milions in a cool way!) and there is one more thing VERY related to satoshi (e.g. only 1 person in around 100 shares this property with Satoshi). So wanna buy this info for 10 btc? send to 17W4JTWiXTNjhiqGsfe2pKRUrn7f4SaGf5 and then I say it here =)
680 2011-04-18 02:21:14 <xelister> erm
681 2011-04-18 02:21:18 <xelister> luke-jr: ^
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683 2011-04-18 02:22:11 <xelister> when I watched it I thought about bitcoin actually =)
684 2011-04-18 02:23:43 <luke-jr> xelister: for 10 TBC
685 2011-04-18 02:23:50 <xelister> wait
686 2011-04-18 02:23:54 <xelister> how much it 10 TBC >_>
687 2011-04-18 02:24:03 <luke-jr> about 0.01 BTC
688 2011-04-18 02:24:05 <xelister> test-bitcoins? tonall-bitcoins?
689 2011-04-18 02:24:09 <luke-jr> tonal
690 2011-04-18 02:24:35 <xelister> but I will make x20 more by sleeping
691 2011-04-18 02:24:45 <luke-jr> :P
692 2011-04-18 02:25:02 <xelister> uniquiness/correctness of this satoshi-id idae
693 2011-04-18 02:25:37 <xelister> is around 1 in 100,000 people in world share [all of] same attributes, that both Satoshi and the video-character have
694 2011-04-18 02:26:17 <xelister> not counting in "being banking systems expert" which is extra x1000
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696 2011-04-18 02:28:52 <sacarlson> I get an error on starting bitcoind with gen in the bitcoin.conf but works on the command line, is this a new bug I added?
697 2011-04-18 02:32:00 <lulzplzkthx> sacarlson: what error?
698 2011-04-18 02:32:35 <sacarlson> EXCEPTION: N5boost16exception_detail10clone_implINS0_19error_info_injectorINS_15program_options14invalid_syntaxEEEEE
699 2011-04-18 02:32:35 <sacarlson> unrecognized line in 'gen'
700 2011-04-18 02:32:35 <sacarlson> bitcoin in AppInit()
701 2011-04-18 02:33:07 <sacarlson> maybe it has to be positioned in config file to work?
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703 2011-04-18 02:41:49 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r2eec137962f3 spesmilo/main.py: Workaround PySide/Windows bug (it's prepending args with python.exe) http://tinyurl.com/69cre95
704 2011-04-18 02:41:52 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r02d9a606b405 spesmilo/main.py: append tonal font to default font list, for platforms that don't do their own automatic fallback for missing characters http://tinyurl.com/3cardls
705 2011-04-18 02:41:54 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r90d98db1af84 spesmilo/ (7 files in 2 dirs): fallback icons from public domain Tango icon library http://tinyurl.com/3hhaote
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712 2011-04-18 03:07:56 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r6e24b57e2aea spesmilo/cashier.py: "Unknown" description rather than throw an error http://tinyurl.com/3kmr2v9
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719 2011-04-18 03:16:09 <sacarlson> I'm bummed I accidenly powered of my system when it had a loose video cable and lost the 12 hours I had running the start of my protocoin so now I have to change that 120 value
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721 2011-04-18 03:17:49 <brycek> couldn't you just protocoin at an easier difficulty setting?
722 2011-04-18 03:18:57 <sacarlson> brycek: it was already at diff 1.00000
723 2011-04-18 03:19:04 <sacarlson> it still takes 20 hours
724 2011-04-18 03:19:40 <sacarlson> now I get this error if I try to startup from where I am ERROR: CheckProofOfWork() : hash doesn't match nBits
725 2011-04-18 03:20:38 <sacarlson> I'm not sure I will have this problem after 20 hours or not so I will try change the 120 to 3
726 2011-04-18 03:21:12 <sacarlson> for the number of blocks after minning it will credit
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730 2011-04-18 03:23:43 <brycek> is 2 a sane number for deciding if a transaction is confirmed, or should I use 6?
731 2011-04-18 03:24:18 <B0g4r7> bitcoind uses 120 for some reason.
732 2011-04-18 03:24:29 <brycek> 120??
733 2011-04-18 03:24:46 <brycek> the dox say the api has minconf of 1
734 2011-04-18 03:25:39 <tcatm> 120 is used by the GUI for generated coins
735 2011-04-18 03:25:55 <tcatm> 100 is enforced by the network for generated coins
736 2011-04-18 03:26:37 <tcatm> depending on the amount of bitcoins sent 2 could be sane
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740 2011-04-18 03:29:02 <Diablo-D3> lol
741 2011-04-18 03:29:05 <Diablo-D3> xelister's tx
742 2011-04-18 03:29:10 <Diablo-D3> are not yet all accepted by the network
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745 2011-04-18 03:29:54 <sacarlson> tcatm: 100 is enforced? so that might be all I need change then, I don't use the gui
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747 2011-04-18 03:31:18 <tcatm> sacarlson: main.h:24 static const int COINBASE_MATURITY = 100;
748 2011-04-18 03:31:35 <sacarlson> tcatm: perfect thanks
749 2011-04-18 03:31:42 <MBS> yeah, thats why mining pools require you to wait either 100 or 120 verifications before sending payment
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751 2011-04-18 03:33:55 <sacarlson> tcatm: so I should be able to temp change 100 to 2 then change it back later after it matures I wonder if that would work
752 2011-04-18 03:34:20 <tcatm> if you control all nodes, yep
753 2011-04-18 03:34:39 <sacarlson> tcatm: yes I only have a max number of 3 in my nodes
754 2011-04-18 03:35:13 <sacarlson> ok time to stop thinking and try doing
755 2011-04-18 03:36:30 <luke-jr> MBS: you mean the active ones
756 2011-04-18 03:36:42 <luke-jr> MBS: pools don't *have* to do that, they *can* just pay direct
757 2011-04-18 03:36:56 <MBS> yeah, lol
758 2011-04-18 03:37:08 <MBS> they just get screwed over when they get an invalid block, lol
759 2011-04-18 03:37:28 <luke-jr> nope
760 2011-04-18 03:40:44 <luke-jr> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/File:Smallgeneration.png
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762 2011-04-18 03:41:23 <brycek> tcatm: so I'm just going to use six confirmations because I'm not starting with a mining op
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766 2011-04-18 03:58:47 <sacarlson> tcatm: cool it seemed to work I got my first 2 coins and no have a balance of 50 Ptbc
767 2011-04-18 03:59:30 <sacarlson> tcatm: I didn't change the number in the aother in the node I will try to send it money to see if it accepts I assume it won't
768 2011-04-18 04:02:20 <sacarlson> ok I didn't think so I get ERROR: ConnectInputs() : tried to spend coinbase at depth 1 so I have to change the nodes software also
769 2011-04-18 04:03:49 <tcatm> don't set it too low... values <50 could easily cause chainsplits
770 2011-04-18 04:04:27 <tcatm> or rather "corrupt" the wallet in case of a chainsplit
771 2011-04-18 04:05:03 <kiba> hey
772 2011-04-18 04:05:15 <tcatm> hey kiba
773 2011-04-18 04:05:15 <kiba> anybody got namecoin running?
774 2011-04-18 04:05:22 <sacarlson> tcatm: It's just a temp change for testing I will return it to 100 at some point. what are the odds with only 2 system of a chainsplit if you only have a single minner?
775 2011-04-18 04:05:40 <tcatm> sacarlson: zero
776 2011-04-18 04:05:50 <sacarlson> tcatm: ok good to hear thanks
777 2011-04-18 04:06:23 <tcatm> kiba: nope. I'll run it once it supports mining on both chains
778 2011-04-18 04:06:26 <kiba> me like my new fanged keyboard!
779 2011-04-18 04:08:14 <brycek> who runs bitcoin.org?
780 2011-04-18 04:08:36 <brycek> the ssl cert has a CN of "bitcoin" instead of something useful like "www.bitcoin.org" or "bitcoin.org"
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782 2011-04-18 04:10:08 <tcatm> bitcoin is fine. what's missing is working certificate management in browsers
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786 2011-04-18 04:13:15 <MBS> fanged keyboard
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788 2011-04-18 04:14:40 <kiba> I feel like this keyboard is good and all
789 2011-04-18 04:14:49 <kiba> dunno if I like it just because it's new
790 2011-04-18 04:14:52 <kiba> or it's just that good
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794 2011-04-18 04:18:00 <grbgout> is -market the channel that shows mtgox and other exchange trades?
795 2011-04-18 04:18:12 <tcatm> grbgout: yes
796 2011-04-18 04:18:50 <grbgout> tcatm: aye, thanks. Just answered my own question with $ tail irclogs/.../.../-market
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805 2011-04-18 04:27:58 <luke-jr> sacarlson: wtf is Ptbc
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811 2011-04-18 04:47:13 <davex__> ;;bc,stats
812 2011-04-18 04:47:15 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118928 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 15 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 hours, 8 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92606.44615981
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814 2011-04-18 04:48:57 <B0g4r7> 15 bl0x0rz
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816 2011-04-18 05:04:08 <Diablo-D3> uh
817 2011-04-18 05:04:12 <Diablo-D3> is mining like fucked?
818 2011-04-18 05:04:25 <sacarlson> luke-jr Ptbc stands for proto-test-bit-coin
819 2011-04-18 05:05:16 <Diablo-D3> [09:49:19] <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,blocks
820 2011-04-18 05:05:16 <Diablo-D3> [09:49:20] <gribble> 118911
821 2011-04-18 05:05:28 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,blocks
822 2011-04-18 05:05:28 <gribble> 118930
823 2011-04-18 05:05:31 <Diablo-D3> maybe thats right
824 2011-04-18 05:05:40 <Diablo-D3> 19 since 2 hours ago
825 2011-04-18 05:05:50 <nanotube> yea, target 12
826 2011-04-18 05:05:55 <nanotube> so seems fine
827 2011-04-18 05:06:11 <Diablo-D3> well
828 2011-04-18 05:06:17 <Diablo-D3> all of xelister's coin spam
829 2011-04-18 05:06:22 <Diablo-D3> has not really filtered through yet
830 2011-04-18 05:06:59 <Diablo-D3> some are 28 confirmations
831 2011-04-18 05:07:09 <Diablo-D3> some are 4
832 2011-04-18 05:07:11 <luke-jr> sacarlson: so it's BTC on a different network. call it <something>BTC :P
833 2011-04-18 05:07:28 <luke-jr> sacarlson: TBC = Tonal Bitcoin
834 2011-04-18 05:07:28 <Diablo-D3> and some are still 0
835 2011-04-18 05:08:53 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
836 2011-04-18 05:08:55 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118930 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 13 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 hour, 51 minutes, and 9 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92612.43687331
837 2011-04-18 05:09:58 <Diablo-D3> okay its now 1:05
838 2011-04-18 05:10:11 <Diablo-D3> the first one confirmed at 20:21
839 2011-04-18 05:10:33 <Diablo-D3> the last one confirmed at 12:27
840 2011-04-18 05:11:22 <sacarlson> luke-jr ya it should be PBTC as you may have noticed I"m dislesic
841 2011-04-18 05:11:59 <sacarlson> luke-jr or popbtc since it's worth shit
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845 2011-04-18 05:24:01 <sacarlson> ok some progress I was able to make my first fund transfer in pbtc now to see if it will ever confirm
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847 2011-04-18 05:26:15 <purplezky> what's the thing with all the orphaned blocks on testnet ?
848 2011-04-18 05:26:26 <LtBrenton> ;;bc,stats
849 2011-04-18 05:26:28 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118930 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 13 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 hour, 51 minutes, and 9 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92612.43687331
850 2011-04-18 05:26:34 <LtBrenton> ;;bc,calc 350000
851 2011-04-18 05:26:34 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 350000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 1 week, 4 days, 16 hours, 41 minutes, and 50 seconds
852 2011-04-18 05:26:42 <LtBrenton> ;;bc,calcd 350000 92612
853 2011-04-18 05:26:42 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 350000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 92612, is 1 week, 6 days, 3 hours, 41 minutes, and 12 seconds
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855 2011-04-18 05:28:01 <sacarlson> wow it's confirmed already and spendable
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857 2011-04-18 05:30:36 <topi`_> the rpc call to slush's pool failed, I wonder if it's down?
858 2011-04-18 05:30:49 <Diablo-D3> doesnt your miner return error?
859 2011-04-18 05:30:53 <Diablo-D3> [4/18/11 1:26:41 AM] ERROR: Can't connect to Bitcoin: Failed to connect to Bitcoin: {"id": "1", "result": null, "error": {"message": "Server temporarily down for maintenance", "code": -131}}
860 2011-04-18 05:30:56 <Diablo-D3> mine does.
861 2011-04-18 05:31:49 <topi`_> [2011-03-18 07:26:57] HTTP request failed: The requested URL returned error: 502
862 2011-04-18 05:32:05 <topi`_> it's jgarzik's minerd
863 2011-04-18 05:33:14 <Lachesis> what's wrong with slush's pool?
864 2011-04-18 05:33:26 <Lachesis> i'm down too -- have been meaning to leave the pool - this is a good excuse :)
865 2011-04-18 05:35:00 <Diablo-D3> nothing, its just down for maint
866 2011-04-18 05:35:39 <luke-jr> purplezky: try connecting to blockexplorer
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869 2011-04-18 05:37:52 <sacarlson> ok I was able to send transactions back and forth but now my problem persists at shutdown and restart of bitcoind ERROR: CheckProofOfWork() : hash doesn't match nBits , what constant do I have to change to fix that?
870 2011-04-18 05:39:06 <sirius> Diablo-D3: satoshi owns the domain
871 2011-04-18 05:39:38 <soultcer> Not for long. If the recent poker site domain seizures are any indication, the domain will soon belong to the us government
872 2011-04-18 05:40:08 <Diablo-D3> sirius: ahh.
873 2011-04-18 05:40:12 <sacarlson> soultcer: best register it out of USA
874 2011-04-18 05:40:42 <noagendamarket> bitcoin.me is owned by .me
875 2011-04-18 05:41:02 <Diablo-D3> what country is that?
876 2011-04-18 05:41:20 <sacarlson> noagendamarket: ya what contry is the registra under?
877 2011-04-18 05:41:46 <sacarlson> like .th is controled by thailand
878 2011-04-18 05:42:28 <noagendamarket> montenegro
879 2011-04-18 05:42:50 <sacarlson> noagendamarket: that might be good
880 2011-04-18 05:43:15 <noagendamarket> I currently have it setup for bitcoinmedia group blog
881 2011-04-18 05:43:48 <noagendamarket> but a bitcoin openid project sounds better
882 2011-04-18 05:45:33 <sacarlson> noagendamarket: can't you point an openid at any address you control? I created one some time ago but forgot how I had done it
883 2011-04-18 05:49:05 <noagendamarket> yeah something like that
884 2011-04-18 05:49:22 <Diablo-D3> sacarlson: yes
885 2011-04-18 05:49:24 <noagendamarket> theres also an anonymous open id
886 2011-04-18 05:50:34 <Diablo-D3> okay guys
887 2011-04-18 05:50:37 <Diablo-D3> give me a few openid providers
888 2011-04-18 05:50:40 <Diablo-D3> so I can test this shit of mine
889 2011-04-18 05:50:57 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: google?
890 2011-04-18 05:51:03 <Diablo-D3> already tried google, works
891 2011-04-18 05:51:08 <Diablo-D3> and yahoo, works
892 2011-04-18 05:51:13 <topi`_> yesterday went to a restaurant for a beef, but had to pay in stupid cash. I was thinking of the problem of enabling POS's to use/receive bitcoin so that I wouldn't need to fool around with cash any longer.
893 2011-04-18 05:51:25 <Diablo-D3> and steam surprisingly doesnt because they have a weird ssl cert chain
894 2011-04-18 05:51:46 <topi`_> evidently, many things are needed to run the bitcoin client, i.e. cpu power, a gigabyte of storage or more, and a working net connection
895 2011-04-18 05:51:50 <Diablo-D3> topi`_: a POS terminal network would be solved by something running on top of bitcoin, not bitcoin itself
896 2011-04-18 05:52:17 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin doesnt support transaction verification fast enough for what you want
897 2011-04-18 05:52:25 <sacarlson> topi`_: I think some kind of wifi or bluetouth on your cell phone so you send it from your phone
898 2011-04-18 05:52:26 <topi`_> you mean doing some RPC traffic to the 'main' bitcoin node?
899 2011-04-18 05:52:48 <Diablo-D3> well, traffic to a bitcoin transaction processor
900 2011-04-18 05:52:51 <topi`_> sacarlson: yes, bluetooth would work as a device<->device protocol
901 2011-04-18 05:52:55 <Diablo-D3> a "bank" so to speak
902 2011-04-18 05:53:06 <topi`_> Diablo-D3: every company can run their own "bank"
903 2011-04-18 05:53:09 <Diablo-D3> and no, bluetooth sucks for temporary connections
904 2011-04-18 05:53:16 <Diablo-D3> topi`_: they could, yes
905 2011-04-18 05:53:22 <sacarlson> topi`_: and they have a java tool to interface to bitcoin with ssl
906 2011-04-18 05:53:24 <topi`_> that would essentially be a bitcoin client in the back office.
907 2011-04-18 05:53:40 <Diablo-D3> topi`_: but what the bank would do would basically process transactions faster than the network
908 2011-04-18 05:53:52 <Diablo-D3> so you'd have to have your bitcoins kept at a participating bank
909 2011-04-18 05:54:14 <topi`_> that's still trusting one extra party
910 2011-04-18 05:54:25 <topi`_> we want to get rid of the 3rd party, right?
911 2011-04-18 05:54:27 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: or leave you home computer running to provide payment from your remote client
912 2011-04-18 05:54:35 <Diablo-D3> sacarlson: thats not the issue
913 2011-04-18 05:54:44 <Diablo-D3> the issue is not having to sit in the store for an hour.
914 2011-04-18 05:55:16 <topi`_> you'll get the first confirmation in 10 mins
915 2011-04-18 05:55:21 <Diablo-D3> topi`_: so?
916 2011-04-18 05:55:25 <Diablo-D3> its not valid until 3.
917 2011-04-18 05:55:41 <Diablo-D3> I can swipe a credit card and the transaction is done in 30 seconds or less.
918 2011-04-18 05:57:27 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: ya I think your right unless they trust that even before any confirmations you already paid but not sure they would trust anyone for that
919 2011-04-18 05:57:37 <luke-jr> ;;bc,stats
920 2011-04-18 05:57:38 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118932 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 11 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 hour, 34 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92427.08444520
921 2011-04-18 05:57:51 <witten> the trick is to use a trusted 3rd party
922 2011-04-18 05:58:11 <noagendamarket> Diablo-D3 myopen id
923 2011-04-18 05:58:26 <noagendamarket> also look on the witcoin sign up page
924 2011-04-18 05:58:31 <Diablo-D3> noagendamarket: avoiding that one, Im using them to generate reliable error failures
925 2011-04-18 05:58:38 <sacarlson> witten: yes like the credit card companies also do they garantee transactions like insurance
926 2011-04-18 05:58:41 <purplezky> if it needs to confirm in 30 seconds you need a network which creates blocks 20 times faster, thus you would need to have coin rewards for blocks 20 times lower. it could work.
927 2011-04-18 05:59:07 <Diablo-D3> actually, it'd be every 10 seconds
928 2011-04-18 05:59:21 <Diablo-D3> but then it becomes extremely easy to kite the network
929 2011-04-18 05:59:24 <noagendamarket> http://witcoin.com/getwitit?dest=http://witcoin.com/
930 2011-04-18 06:00:10 <noagendamarket> we also use steam
931 2011-04-18 06:00:31 <Diablo-D3> java's ssl impl doesnt think steam's ssl certs are valid
932 2011-04-18 06:00:35 <Diablo-D3> so its an unrelated issue
933 2011-04-18 06:01:49 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: unless you had 1000 different types of coins so each network would be getting confirmed at a different time so that at least some of the transaction money would already be confirmed in a shorter duration of time
934 2011-04-18 06:02:15 <Diablo-D3> sacarlson: no
935 2011-04-18 06:02:34 <Diablo-D3> I can just double spend because peers arent getting the entire view of the network before the next block is completed
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938 2011-04-18 06:03:46 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: ok 1,000,000 types of coins? so that even in a few secounds some of the networks would have already confirmed at least 1 time
939 2011-04-18 06:03:57 * Diablo-D3 shrugs.
940 2011-04-18 06:03:59 <purplezky> so you would need to have bandwidth and cpu qualification and have a fast, normal and slow subnet
941 2011-04-18 06:04:01 <Diablo-D3> I dont like adding the complexity.
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943 2011-04-18 06:04:35 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: sometimes the answer to questions isn't easy like cell phones, I wouldn't want to have to designed that
944 2011-04-18 06:05:03 <Diablo-D3> that isnt it
945 2011-04-18 06:05:12 <Diablo-D3> we have this argument in here at least once a week
946 2011-04-18 06:05:25 <Diablo-D3> theres no way of solving it without compromising bitcoin's usefulness
947 2011-04-18 06:05:41 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: or taking more risk
948 2011-04-18 06:05:48 <Diablo-D3> same thing
949 2011-04-18 06:06:21 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: well credit card insurance takes risk and looses money all the time all they do is raise insurance rates
950 2011-04-18 06:06:32 <Diablo-D3> not really.
951 2011-04-18 06:06:36 <witten> sacarlson: no, what they do is charge the merchant
952 2011-04-18 06:06:42 <Diablo-D3> when credit card fraud happens they screw the merchant
953 2011-04-18 06:06:45 <Diablo-D3> HE pays more.
954 2011-04-18 06:06:51 <Diablo-D3> and through him, you pay more.
955 2011-04-18 06:07:20 <sacarlson> witten: yes the merchant pays for the insurance and so the merchant charges you more to pay for it
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957 2011-04-18 06:07:39 <witten> I'm not talking about insurance..
958 2011-04-18 06:07:51 <witten> I'm talking about the merchant often having to eat the cost of a chargeback
959 2011-04-18 06:07:52 <JFK911> taking cards thru paypal is insurance
960 2011-04-18 06:07:57 <witten> and risk getting their processing fees increased
961 2011-04-18 06:07:59 <sacarlson> witten: well most money transactions require some risk
962 2011-04-18 06:08:03 <JFK911> of course i pass higher fees on
963 2011-04-18 06:08:20 <Diablo-D3> sacarlson: you have a severe misunderstanding of the banking industry
964 2011-04-18 06:09:00 <sacarlson> Diablo-D3: I best not become an insurance salesman then
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968 2011-04-18 06:14:22 <sacarlson> ok this is the line I'm now having problems with in main.cpp:1173 if (hash > bnTarget.getuint256())
969 2011-04-18 06:15:08 <sacarlson> I guess I'll print these two values and try to figure out were they came from to find the constant that needs to be changed
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973 2011-04-18 06:18:33 <purplezky> sacarlson: it's checking if the performed work has more zero bits than the target difficulty, by reversing the hash and target before this comparison
974 2011-04-18 06:19:43 <sacarlson> purplezky: so when you reset the block what needs to be adjusted to make this pass?
975 2011-04-18 06:21:11 <purplezky> work has be performed until this condition is met
976 2011-04-18 06:21:17 <purplezky> then you have mined a new block
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978 2011-04-18 06:21:30 <sacarlson> purplezky: my guess it's probly the value of block.nNonce since it's the only thing I havn't needed to play with yet
979 2011-04-18 06:21:51 <purplezky> each hash you try, you increment the nonce
980 2011-04-18 06:22:07 <sacarlson> purplezky: yes but that value must start someplace
981 2011-04-18 06:22:20 <purplezky> when you reset block you set nonce to 0
982 2011-04-18 06:22:31 <purplezky> just look in the example code
983 2011-04-18 06:22:44 <sacarlson> purplezky: that's not what I see them do in the last reset of -testnet
984 2011-04-18 06:23:27 <purplezky> oh that reset
985 2011-04-18 06:23:33 <purplezky> that's something else
986 2011-04-18 06:23:47 <sacarlson> purplezky: yes that's about what I'm attempting to do in my private proto coin
987 2011-04-18 06:23:52 <purplezky> they reset the difficulty
988 2011-04-18 06:24:08 <sacarlson> purplezky: that's already been reset to 1.0000
989 2011-04-18 06:24:49 <purplezky> what exactly are you trying to do ?
990 2011-04-18 06:24:54 <sacarlson> purplezky: but the values I see them change in the reset seem to be pulled out of there ass I don't know how they created them
991 2011-04-18 06:25:35 <sacarlson> purplezky: I'm testing the creation of new coins
992 2011-04-18 06:25:35 <purplezky> sacarlson: every x blocks the difficulty gets reset by convention in the current protocol
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994 2011-04-18 06:26:42 <sacarlson> purplezky: my proto coin network seems to almost work I can transact between the only two system on the net with a single miner
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996 2011-04-18 06:30:14 <sacarlson> purplezky: yes I read the pdf explaining the difficulty changes dependent on how fast the network is finding new blocks so in a new network even a very slow computer if it's the only miner can be used to keep the network running
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999 2011-04-18 06:38:50 <docl> I think there's a bug in bitcoin-central... there's these 0.0000 BTC transactions on the books, and it prevents bids from being processed somehow.
1000 2011-04-18 06:44:54 <sacarlson> so it must be this value is all I need to change block.nBits = 0x1d07fff8; what is used to determine this value at reset?
1001 2011-04-18 06:46:38 <sacarlson> I guess we use the normal aproach just print the two value that are compared to determine what's needed on the other side
1002 2011-04-18 06:50:03 <lfm> sacarlson: nBits is the difficulty setting
1003 2011-04-18 06:50:23 <sacarlson> lfm: ok that makes sense
1004 2011-04-18 06:51:36 <sacarlson> lfm: oh I recall something stating that the difficulty in -testnet was different by 1.0 compared to 0.5 and I not a diff in the code
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1006 2011-04-18 06:51:51 <sacarlson> note
1007 2011-04-18 06:52:06 bikcmp is now known as _test
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1009 2011-04-18 06:52:11 _test is now known as bikcmp
1010 2011-04-18 06:52:46 <lfm> Difficulty:1d00ffff = 1, 2009-01-03 18:15:05
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1012 2011-04-18 06:53:09 <lfm> Difficulty:1d07fff8 = 0.125, 2011-02-02 23:16:42
1013 2011-04-18 06:53:13 <sacarlson> so why would I be getting this ERROR: CheckProofOfWork() : hash doesn't match nBits, since at the last reset they didn't have to change it
1014 2011-04-18 06:54:11 <lfm> well what is the hash of your block header of your genisis block?
1015 2011-04-18 06:54:14 <sacarlson> lfm: maybe at reset they didn't create a new block chain?
1016 2011-04-18 06:55:10 <lfm> when you change the genesis block you have to go thru the nonces to find a valid hash
1017 2011-04-18 06:55:25 <lfm> same as any other block
1018 2011-04-18 06:55:38 <sacarlson> lfm: you mean this value hashGenesisBlock
1019 2011-04-18 06:55:59 <lfm> I suspect so ya
1020 2011-04-18 06:56:15 <cosurgi> how long slush's pool is down?
1021 2011-04-18 06:56:31 <lfm> didnt know slush's pool was down
1022 2011-04-18 06:56:47 <sacarlson> lfm: I think that would be this: genesisblock=0x3c7166a49bcc04928ee6642ecde6061aa7f4be93ee134031648f6f06ce13c7a9
1023 2011-04-18 06:57:16 <lfm> that would not be valid for the difficulty you set
1024 2011-04-18 06:58:12 <sacarlson> lfm: not enuf zeros?
1025 2011-04-18 06:58:40 <lfm> i dont see any unless you dropped leading zeros
1026 2011-04-18 06:59:19 <sacarlson> lfm: well when I changed pszTimestamp="The Times 04/Apr/2011 Tornadoes and vicious winds left 17 people dead across four states"
1027 2011-04-18 06:59:58 <purplezky> they you have to keep track of a complete blockchain starting from that different genesis block
1028 2011-04-18 07:00:01 <sacarlson> lfm: I got errors and I just kept changeing to make the numbers on each side match
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1031 2011-04-18 07:00:14 <purplezky> s/they/then/
1032 2011-04-18 07:00:29 <yrral> ;;bc,stats
1033 2011-04-18 07:00:30 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118938 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 5 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 43 minutes and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92437.03075565
1034 2011-04-18 07:01:30 <sacarlson> purplezky: sooooo change another constant?
1035 2011-04-18 07:03:05 <lfm> sacarlson: so did you recalulate the merkle hash?
1036 2011-04-18 07:03:18 <sacarlson> lfm: yes that now matches
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1038 2011-04-18 07:03:53 <sacarlson> lfm: I just printed the compare values were it checked it and made that the new constant
1039 2011-04-18 07:04:16 <lfm> ok now you have to start with nonce 1 and try the header block hash till you get one with enuf leading zeros, keep incrementing nonce till the hash is good
1040 2011-04-18 07:04:58 <sacarlson> lfm: ok I can do that
1041 2011-04-18 07:05:32 <sacarlson> lfm: and good is ?
1042 2011-04-18 07:05:49 <lfm> ;;bc,calc 50*2016
1043 2011-04-18 07:05:50 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 50*2016 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 5 weeks, 5 days, 14 hours, 38 minutes, and 36 seconds
1044 2011-04-18 07:05:58 <lfm> ;;calc 50*2016
1045 2011-04-18 07:05:59 <gribble> 50 * 2,016 = 100,800
1046 2011-04-18 07:06:39 <sacarlson> lfm: is that my answer?
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1048 2011-04-18 07:07:00 <lfm> sacarlson: no good is 29 leading zero bits (or more)
1049 2011-04-18 07:07:20 <sacarlson> lfm: ok so I have a goal time to solve it
1050 2011-04-18 07:07:31 <lfm> if you are going with that difficulty/nBits of :1d07fff8
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1052 2011-04-18 07:07:53 <sacarlson> lfm: I had no plans to change it
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1054 2011-04-18 07:08:14 <lfm> ok thats a testnet style genesis block then?
1055 2011-04-18 07:08:42 <sacarlson> lfm: yes it's a copy of a genesis reset
1056 2011-04-18 07:09:00 <lfm> ya for testnet, not for mainnet
1057 2011-04-18 07:09:17 <sacarlson> lfm: well mine is in a private net
1058 2011-04-18 07:09:42 <lfm> ok did you change the other things you should for a private net?
1059 2011-04-18 07:10:14 <lfm> like the irc channel, the port number and the address type code?
1060 2011-04-18 07:10:15 <sacarlson> lfm: not all of them, I would like to change the port at some point but it's in the header file so I'll hold off on that
1061 2011-04-18 07:10:36 <sacarlson> lfm: yes the irc values have been changed and I got it also working with no irc
1062 2011-04-18 07:10:59 <sacarlson> lfm: address type code?
1063 2011-04-18 07:11:22 <lfm> the first char in addresses are 1 for mainnnet and m for testnet
1064 2011-04-18 07:11:42 <lfm> you should pick a new letter
1065 2011-04-18 07:11:50 <sacarlson> lfm: ok will do
1066 2011-04-18 07:12:38 <sacarlson> lfm: in fact I wanted to add 3 or more leters to mine since I had hoped to create unlimted numbers of coin types
1067 2011-04-18 07:14:11 <lfm> oh well maybe you coul figure out a system then with mutiple address headers that wont be mistaken for bitcoin addresses. like k with a cointype number then the main address or something
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1069 2011-04-18 07:14:59 <sacarlson> lfm: ya that makes sence
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1073 2011-04-18 07:26:04 <yrral> ;;bc,stats
1074 2011-04-18 07:26:05 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118939 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 4 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 34 minutes and 32 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92375.39811588
1075 2011-04-18 07:26:56 <yrral> anyone try write an automated trading system for mtgox?
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1077 2011-04-18 07:28:29 <lfm> yrral: if they did they're keeping it to themselves
1078 2011-04-18 07:31:05 Pander has joined
1079 2011-04-18 07:31:07 <yrral> not if they tried and failed; theres historically been really low volumes at mtgox, so its harder to write something that profits. (although the countepoint to that is that the spreads are huge)
1080 2011-04-18 07:31:38 <lfm> yup
1081 2011-04-18 07:33:06 <yrral> 2 blocks left till difficulty jump
1082 2011-04-18 07:33:09 <yrral> ;;bc,stats
1083 2011-04-18 07:33:11 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118942 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 1 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 minutes and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92403.22203098
1084 2011-04-18 07:33:18 <yrral> ooo 1 block
1085 2011-04-18 07:33:22 <lfm> yay
1086 2011-04-18 07:33:41 stamit has joined
1087 2011-04-18 07:34:46 <purplezky> mining is getting harder and harder
1088 2011-04-18 07:34:59 <da2ce7> oneblock!!!!!!!!!
1089 2011-04-18 07:35:26 <purplezky> ;;bc,stats
1090 2011-04-18 07:35:28 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118942 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 1 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 minutes and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92403.22203098
1091 2011-04-18 07:35:39 <yrral> watch this block take 2 days to solve :P
1092 2011-04-18 07:35:53 <lfm> huh?
1093 2011-04-18 07:35:56 <purplezky> it doesn't update the estimation
1094 2011-04-18 07:36:39 <lfm> oh like a watched pop never boils huh
1095 2011-04-18 07:37:18 <ersi> when my pots never boil when I've put on the stove, I know I've been senile and forgot about the stove's timer
1096 2011-04-18 07:37:21 <ersi> :D
1097 2011-04-18 07:37:27 <purplezky> if the pop got a readlock which you hold, it can't be rewritten ;)
1098 2011-04-18 07:37:34 * da2ce7 needs an good and affordable php dev that want to help with a bitcoin related project; will pay bitcoins
1099 2011-04-18 07:37:46 roconnor has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1100 2011-04-18 07:37:58 <MBS> http://mining.bitcoin.cz/ is completely down for me now
1101 2011-04-18 07:38:46 <yrral> the estimation is theoretically always correct if its the .5 cdf estimation right?
1102 2011-04-18 07:38:51 <yrral> too bad the bot uses avg
1103 2011-04-18 07:39:31 <lfm> huh
1104 2011-04-18 07:39:48 <gjs278> da2ce7 try these guys http://psychz.net/
1105 2011-04-18 07:39:53 <gjs278> I've used them for awhile
1106 2011-04-18 07:39:59 <gjs278> php/mysql/ftp/shell
1107 2011-04-18 07:40:01 <gjs278> all you need
1108 2011-04-18 07:40:13 <ersi> He wants developers, not hosting though
1109 2011-04-18 07:40:18 <yrral> ;;bc,calc 698000000
1110 2011-04-18 07:40:19 <gjs278> oh
1111 2011-04-18 07:40:19 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 698000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 8 minutes and 26 seconds
1112 2011-04-18 07:40:20 <gjs278> shoot
1113 2011-04-18 07:40:22 <gjs278> misread
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1115 2011-04-18 07:40:45 <ersi> np :)
1116 2011-04-18 07:41:09 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
1117 2011-04-18 07:41:10 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118942 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 1 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 minutes and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92403.22203098
1118 2011-04-18 07:41:16 <gjs278> come on block
1119 2011-04-18 07:41:18 <gjs278> solve already
1120 2011-04-18 07:41:35 <lfm> ;;estimate
1121 2011-04-18 07:41:35 <gribble> Error: "estimate" is not a valid command.
1122 2011-04-18 07:41:40 <lfm> ;;bc,estimate
1123 2011-04-18 07:41:41 <gribble> 92403.22203098
1124 2011-04-18 07:41:44 <gjs278> mining.bitcoin.cz is bad gatewaying, probably because the bitcoind is down
1125 2011-04-18 07:41:45 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
1126 2011-04-18 07:41:47 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118942 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 1 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 minutes and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92403.22203098
1127 2011-04-18 07:41:55 <lfm> ;;bc,blocks
1128 2011-04-18 07:41:55 <gribble> 118942
1129 2011-04-18 07:42:19 <gjs278> and now it is back
1130 2011-04-18 07:42:26 <gjs278> for a second it was
1131 2011-04-18 07:43:04 <gjs278> I just had about 5 shares accepted, rolling
1132 2011-04-18 07:43:06 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
1133 2011-04-18 07:43:08 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118942 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 1 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 minutes and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92403.22203098
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1135 2011-04-18 07:43:56 <gjs278> come on deepbit, find this block
1136 2011-04-18 07:45:01 danbri has joined
1137 2011-04-18 07:45:59 <slush> somebody is ddosing site, it crashed after 40Mbit/s of requests
1138 2011-04-18 07:46:24 <slush> site crashed mysql, mysql crashed mining
1139 2011-04-18 07:46:36 <slush> mining is running now, but site is temporary closed...
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1141 2011-04-18 07:46:48 <ersi> slush: Ouch!
1142 2011-04-18 07:47:25 <slush> I'm absolutely busy now, this solution must be enough for today; then I have to find a solution against those dumb asses
1143 2011-04-18 07:47:37 <slush> it's not syn attack, those are regular requests to site
1144 2011-04-18 07:47:59 <gjs278> lol
1145 2011-04-18 07:48:09 <gjs278> they're trying to stop the last block from being found
1146 2011-04-18 07:48:32 <ersi> if so, they're really dumb asses :)
1147 2011-04-18 07:48:40 <gjs278> also >he's not using memcached
1148 2011-04-18 07:48:41 <lfm> kinda stupid if thats all they think they're doing
1149 2011-04-18 07:49:56 echelon has joined
1150 2011-04-18 07:49:56 <lfm> unless they'ree ddosing art too
1151 2011-04-18 07:50:21 <slush> no, they are just trying to shut down the pool :)
1152 2011-04-18 07:50:27 <purplezky> maybe they are trying to lower the difficulty by making the last block last longer ?
1153 2011-04-18 07:50:38 <gjs278> guys turn off your miners
1154 2011-04-18 07:50:41 <JFK911> lol what
1155 2011-04-18 07:50:42 <gjs278> 3, 2, 1... go
1156 2011-04-18 07:50:43 deceit has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
1157 2011-04-18 07:50:53 <gjs278> alright, who else did it
1158 2011-04-18 07:51:06 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
1159 2011-04-18 07:51:07 <lfm> purplezky: ya, thats what I mean as stupid, it would not have the effect they think
1160 2011-04-18 07:51:08 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118943 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 0 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 2 hours, 38 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92347.59095209
1161 2011-04-18 07:51:10 <gjs278> NOOOO
1162 2011-04-18 07:51:11 <gjs278> TOO LATE
1163 2011-04-18 07:51:19 <gjs278> which one of you dicks found the last block
1164 2011-04-18 07:51:24 <lfm> ;;bc,estimate
1165 2011-04-18 07:51:25 <gribble> 92347.59095209
1166 2011-04-18 07:51:26 <JFK911> ;;bc,calc 775000
1167 2011-04-18 07:51:27 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 775000 Khps, given current difficulty of 82347.22294654 , is 5 days, 6 hours, 45 minutes, and 59 seconds
1168 2011-04-18 07:51:39 <gjs278> jfk was killed for less
1169 2011-04-18 07:51:39 twobitcoins has joined
1170 2011-04-18 07:51:44 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
1171 2011-04-18 07:51:46 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118943 | Current Difficulty: 82347.22294654 | Next Difficulty At Block: 118943 | Next Difficulty In: 0 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 2 hours, 38 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 92347.59095209
1172 2011-04-18 07:51:48 <lfm> ;;bc,estimate
1173 2011-04-18 07:51:48 <gribble> 92347.59095209
1174 2011-04-18 07:51:49 <gjs278> twobitcoins if you found the last block get out
1175 2011-04-18 07:51:53 <JFK911> jfk took down the towers
1176 2011-04-18 07:52:19 <lfm> ;;bc,estimate
1177 2011-04-18 07:52:19 <gribble> 92347.59095209
1178 2011-04-18 07:52:34 <JFK911> dun dun dun.....
1179 2011-04-18 07:52:39 <twobitcoins> Eh?
1180 2011-04-18 07:52:46 <gjs278> mystery miner is going to solve the entire difficulty in the next 15 minutes
1181 2011-04-18 07:52:56 <gjs278> that's why he's going for the pool
1182 2011-04-18 07:52:59 <JFK911> we still have the mystery miner?
1183 2011-04-18 07:53:03 <lfm> ;;bc,estimate
1184 2011-04-18 07:53:03 <gribble> 92347.59095209
1185 2011-04-18 07:53:10 <JFK911> when does he go away?
1186 2011-04-18 07:53:15 <gjs278> never
1187 2011-04-18 07:53:20 <JFK911> hm
1188 2011-04-18 07:53:23 <JFK911> rude
1189 2011-04-18 07:53:26 <lfm> ;;bc,estimate
1190 2011-04-18 07:53:26 <gribble> 369390.36380837
1191 2011-04-18 07:53:38 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
1192 2011-04-18 07:53:40 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118944 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 2015 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 4 hours, 11 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 369390.36380837
1193 2011-04-18 07:53:50 <JFK911> hahaha
1194 2011-04-18 07:53:55 <lfm> yay
1195 2011-04-18 07:53:56 <JFK911> that was fast
1196 2011-04-18 07:54:11 <gjs278> what
1197 2011-04-18 07:54:24 <lfm> killer next difficulty! grin
1198 2011-04-18 07:54:29 <gjs278> dude
1199 2011-04-18 07:54:31 <JFK911> ;;bc,calcd 775000 363930
1200 2011-04-18 07:54:31 <gjs278> we're so screwed
1201 2011-04-18 07:54:32 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 775000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 363930, is 3 weeks, 2 days, 8 hours, 14 minutes, and 21 seconds
1202 2011-04-18 07:54:32 <purplezky> crazy difficulty indeed
1203 2011-04-18 07:54:35 <gjs278> he's going at it
1204 2011-04-18 07:54:39 <gjs278> give up guys
1205 2011-04-18 07:54:40 <JFK911> oh its only three weeks
1206 2011-04-18 07:54:45 <JFK911> i'll still get btc
1207 2011-04-18 07:55:09 <gjs278> freeze the blockchain, the bitcoin economy will just have to work with the coins distributed so far
1208 2011-04-18 07:55:21 <lfm> three weeks and it goes up again in 2
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1210 2011-04-18 07:56:38 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
1211 2011-04-18 07:56:41 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118946 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 2013 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 21 hours, 17 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 369390.36380837
1212 2011-04-18 07:56:47 <gjs278> welp
1213 2011-04-18 07:56:48 <gjs278> we're done for
1214 2011-04-18 07:57:00 <gjs278> 2 days and the difficulty is definitely going to be 369k
1215 2011-04-18 07:57:03 <lfm> might as well give up now
1216 2011-04-18 07:57:23 <JFK911> i just gave up
1217 2011-04-18 07:57:52 <gjs278> time to go raid the bitcoin faucet
1218 2011-04-18 07:58:03 slush has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1219 2011-04-18 07:58:32 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
1220 2011-04-18 07:58:33 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118946 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 2013 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 21 hours, 17 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 369390.36380837
1221 2011-04-18 07:58:44 <gjs278> the outlook is just as bad
1222 2011-04-18 07:59:19 <purplezky> instead of mining you will have to focus on building services payed in bitcoins ;)
1223 2011-04-18 07:59:46 <ersi> Indeed
1224 2011-04-18 08:00:09 <lfm> we got 3 blocks already?
1225 2011-04-18 08:00:15 <gjs278> my first mission is a bitcoin funded adventure to go blowup the data center mining all of the fucking blocks
1226 2011-04-18 08:02:57 <gjs278> time for bed, hopefully the difficulty isn't 400k by the time I wake up
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1229 2011-04-18 08:05:05 <lfm> ;;bc,estimate
1230 2011-04-18 08:05:05 <gribble> 365733.04807241
1231 2011-04-18 08:06:22 deceit has joined
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1233 2011-04-18 08:10:17 dissipate has joined
1234 2011-04-18 08:10:27 <lfm> ;;bc,estimate
1235 2011-04-18 08:10:27 <gribble> 357474.55336929
1236 2011-04-18 08:10:45 <da2ce7> wait for 500 blocks, then you can have a more accurate est
1237 2011-04-18 08:11:19 slueth has joined
1238 2011-04-18 08:11:22 <lfm> ya, just havin fun
1239 2011-04-18 08:14:21 <slueth> Anyone have ati 5870s
1240 2011-04-18 08:18:18 <gjs278> yes
1241 2011-04-18 08:18:22 <mrb_> slueth: yes, one.
1242 2011-04-18 08:18:25 echelon has joined
1243 2011-04-18 08:18:34 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
1244 2011-04-18 08:18:36 <slueth> What is your average temps?
1245 2011-04-18 08:18:37 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118949 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 2010 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 10 hours, 38 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 217430.56784745
1246 2011-04-18 08:18:46 <gjs278> my average temps are no higher than 58c because I have an accelero
1247 2011-04-18 08:18:52 <slueth> I am getting around 80 on my first card and 61 on my other.
1248 2011-04-18 08:18:53 <gjs278> before that, 80c was my high
1249 2011-04-18 08:19:07 <gjs278> I bet your room sounds like a vacuum cleaner
1250 2011-04-18 08:19:11 <slueth> It does.
1251 2011-04-18 08:19:16 <slueth> I have headphones on right now
1252 2011-04-18 08:19:20 <slueth> to try to isolate the sound
1253 2011-04-18 08:19:29 <gjs278> my only advice is lower the temperature of the room and see if that helps
1254 2011-04-18 08:19:33 <slueth> The sound is soothing while sleeping though so its not a big problem.
1255 2011-04-18 08:19:33 <lfm> get noise canceling! grin
1256 2011-04-18 08:19:46 <slueth> lol I prefer passive isolating headphones
1257 2011-04-18 08:19:57 <yrral> ;;bc,stats
1258 2011-04-18 08:19:59 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118949 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 2010 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 2 hours, 51 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 217430.56784745
1259 2011-04-18 08:20:11 <slueth> Unless you get really good headphones sound canceling is a little staticy
1260 2011-04-18 08:20:15 <gjs278> is the really hot card the one getting all of the air blown on it
1261 2011-04-18 08:20:18 <yrral> oh good, so the MM isn't actually here :P
1262 2011-04-18 08:20:21 <gjs278> or the one behid it
1263 2011-04-18 08:20:26 <lfm> my noise canceling seems to work quite well on fan noise
1264 2011-04-18 08:21:02 <retinal> I get 67C in open air, 74C with the case open, and 80C with the case closed for a 5870
1265 2011-04-18 08:21:02 roberthl has left ()
1266 2011-04-18 08:21:04 <slueth> True.. They were designed by bose to work with airplanes :X
1267 2011-04-18 08:21:08 <lfm> its a pain replacing the nattery tho
1268 2011-04-18 08:21:09 <gjs278> I used to average like 82c and then I opened the window and I dropped to 70c in like 20 minutes
1269 2011-04-18 08:21:22 <lfm> mine arnt even bose
1270 2011-04-18 08:21:26 <yrral> so i was able to turn my fan speed on my 5870s from 60+% to 31% and keeping the same temperatures by putting a slow 120mm fan on top of them
1271 2011-04-18 08:21:26 <slueth> I have window open right now.
1272 2011-04-18 08:22:01 <gjs278> not much you can do really
1273 2011-04-18 08:22:11 <slueth> Its a little weird because when I get home my computer crashes
1274 2011-04-18 08:22:18 <gjs278> what core clock
1275 2011-04-18 08:22:29 <slueth> Is there a way to turn off bitcoin app when the temps exceed a certain range?
1276 2011-04-18 08:22:30 <slueth> um.
1277 2011-04-18 08:22:39 <molecular> ;;bc,stats
1278 2011-04-18 08:22:40 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118950 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 2009 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 8 hours, 20 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 237223.18989120
1279 2011-04-18 08:22:49 <gjs278> you can make it so your fan speed gets ridiculously high
1280 2011-04-18 08:22:57 <slueth> I have msi afterburner running at 850 clock
1281 2011-04-18 08:23:02 <gjs278> but without custom scripting, not really able to kill apps based on temperature
1282 2011-04-18 08:23:05 <gjs278> lol
1283 2011-04-18 08:23:05 <slueth> I have fan speed 100
1284 2011-04-18 08:23:05 <slueth> lol
1285 2011-04-18 08:23:13 <gjs278> 5870's are stock 850
1286 2011-04-18 08:23:20 <slueth> The second gpu is fine
1287 2011-04-18 08:23:36 <yrral> slueth, try opening your case sidepanel and putting a fan blowing in the air intakes
1288 2011-04-18 08:23:37 <slueth> But the first is ridiculously hot.
1289 2011-04-18 08:23:38 <gjs278> well mine is at least
1290 2011-04-18 08:23:55 <slueth> Yea I just use msi to speed up fans
1291 2011-04-18 08:23:59 <gjs278> idk why you have msi open if you're only doing 850. also lower your memory clock
1292 2011-04-18 08:24:03 <gjs278> ccc can do fan speed
1293 2011-04-18 08:24:06 <yrral> my 5870s are at 916/1200 with 30% fan speed
1294 2011-04-18 08:24:20 <gjs278> 925/900 at 100% but it's about as quiet as 25%
1295 2011-04-18 08:24:26 <slueth> I am new to ccc
1296 2011-04-18 08:24:40 <slueth> I just got the ati cards. Was previously using a gtx 470
1297 2011-04-18 08:24:46 <gjs278> either way I'm still pretty shocked you're using 80c with no ocing
1298 2011-04-18 08:25:05 <slueth> Well the second gpu is sitting at 61
1299 2011-04-18 08:25:06 <gjs278> lower your memory clock down to 900 on the hot card
1300 2011-04-18 08:25:11 <yrral> so does everyone here see faster mining with slower mem clocks?
1301 2011-04-18 08:25:12 <gjs278> see if that helps
1302 2011-04-18 08:25:14 <gjs278> it won't hurt hashing
1303 2011-04-18 08:25:19 <gjs278> well
1304 2011-04-18 08:25:24 <gjs278> anything below 900 hurts me
1305 2011-04-18 08:25:27 <gjs278> but everything above 900
1306 2011-04-18 08:25:29 <gjs278> does nothing
1307 2011-04-18 08:25:32 <yrral> hmm
1308 2011-04-18 08:25:34 <yrral> let me try
1309 2011-04-18 08:25:41 <gjs278> other people say they mine at like 300 mem and get higher speeds but I never have that happen
1310 2011-04-18 08:26:03 <slueth> lol imma set it to 908
1311 2011-04-18 08:26:09 <gjs278> go for it
1312 2011-04-18 08:26:12 <gjs278> it will probably help
1313 2011-04-18 08:26:19 <slueth> woot temp decrease by 2
1314 2011-04-18 08:26:20 <gjs278> what cards did you get
1315 2011-04-18 08:26:20 <slueth> :X
1316 2011-04-18 08:26:36 <slueth> i got gigabyte one
1317 2011-04-18 08:26:37 <Diablo-D3> well
1318 2011-04-18 08:26:41 <yrral> 1200 mem -> 350mhash
1319 2011-04-18 08:26:43 <Diablo-D3> they reduce the memory to greatly reduce power usage
1320 2011-04-18 08:26:45 <Diablo-D3> but the problem is
1321 2011-04-18 08:26:50 <yrral> 900 mem -> 346mhash
1322 2011-04-18 08:26:52 <Diablo-D3> it sounds like their VRMs are overheating
1323 2011-04-18 08:27:06 <gjs278> hmm
1324 2011-04-18 08:27:23 <gjs278> I get a flat 342mhash across with 1200/900 at -f60
1325 2011-04-18 08:27:35 <Diablo-D3> on my miner? :D
1326 2011-04-18 08:27:40 <slueth> Does anyone know why my ccc options are all greyed out?
1327 2011-04-18 08:27:51 <gjs278> poclbm
1328 2011-04-18 08:28:01 <Diablo-D3> you should use mine
1329 2011-04-18 08:28:02 <gjs278> you have to turn on overdrive most likely, it's a checkbox
1330 2011-04-18 08:28:05 <Diablo-D3> superior miner is superior
1331 2011-04-18 08:28:10 <gjs278> I tried it out
1332 2011-04-18 08:28:22 <slueth> The checkbox is greyed out wtf!!!
1333 2011-04-18 08:28:38 <slueth> Maybe there is another location where I can enable it.
1334 2011-04-18 08:28:52 <gjs278> don't worry about it if you're not ocing, msi can do fan speeds just fine for you for now
1335 2011-04-18 08:28:57 <gjs278> msi can also do the oc
1336 2011-04-18 08:29:08 <gjs278> I just wouldnt bother installing it if I knew I was only adjusting fan speeds is all
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1338 2011-04-18 08:29:24 <gjs278> also, can you actually verify that the fan speed 100% is being applied to both cards
1339 2011-04-18 08:29:26 <mtrlt> msi afterburner has advanced fan speed setup that the default ati drivers don't have
1340 2011-04-18 08:29:30 <gjs278> maybe it;s only ramping up one fan
1341 2011-04-18 08:29:53 <gjs278> my advanced setup is just setting the fan speed to one speed and letting it fly
1342 2011-04-18 08:30:00 <slueth> I have settins for each gpu
1343 2011-04-18 08:30:32 <gjs278> do you have crossfire on
1344 2011-04-18 08:30:34 <yrral> Diablo-d3: you said in your thread that you had better hash rates with stream 2.4, I still seem to have better hash rates thru 2.2
1345 2011-04-18 08:30:36 <slueth> I checked though, turned off both. Enabled each gpu one by one
1346 2011-04-18 08:30:41 <slueth> no I don't have them xfired
1347 2011-04-18 08:30:43 <gjs278> I still need to install 2.4
1348 2011-04-18 08:30:50 <gjs278> and try it out
1349 2011-04-18 08:30:58 <gjs278> poclbm blew up on me when I went for it the first time
1350 2011-04-18 08:31:03 <gjs278> so I guess I have to java miner it
1351 2011-04-18 08:31:07 <slueth> Is it beneficial to crossfire?
1352 2011-04-18 08:31:09 <gjs278> no
1353 2011-04-18 08:31:11 <Diablo-D3> yrral: nope, read again
1354 2011-04-18 08:31:13 <gjs278> it's definitely a downside
1355 2011-04-18 08:31:15 <Diablo-D3> I did the testing wrong
1356 2011-04-18 08:31:29 <Diablo-D3> 2.4 gets 2.3 speeds (which is > 2.2), and doesnt have the cpu use bug
1357 2011-04-18 08:31:35 <Diablo-D3> its still slower than 2.1
1358 2011-04-18 08:31:41 <yrral> :(
1359 2011-04-18 08:31:45 <yrral> i can't get 2.1 working
1360 2011-04-18 08:31:54 <slueth> Is 2.4 beta still?
1361 2011-04-18 08:31:56 <Diablo-D3> what video card?
1362 2011-04-18 08:31:57 <gjs278> 2.1 doesn't work on poclbm anymore because it's missing opencl 1.1 I think
1363 2011-04-18 08:31:58 <Diablo-D3> slueth: no
1364 2011-04-18 08:32:11 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: no, pretty sure poclbm still works on 1.1
1365 2011-04-18 08:32:11 <slueth> Maybe I should get 2.4.. I am currently using 2.3
1366 2011-04-18 08:32:13 <Diablo-D3> err
1367 2011-04-18 08:32:14 <Diablo-D3> 2.1
1368 2011-04-18 08:32:25 <Diablo-D3> you need at least 11.1 to use 2.4, btw
1369 2011-04-18 08:32:37 <gjs278> I have 11.3, it's the only driver version that doesn't max a core
1370 2011-04-18 08:32:44 <yrral> diablo: 5870 + 5850
1371 2011-04-18 08:33:01 <Diablo-D3> yrral: yeah, you should still be using 10.9 through 10.11 + sdk 2.1
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1373 2011-04-18 08:33:12 <slueth> Whats the best miner? I been using poclbm right now
1374 2011-04-18 08:33:23 <gjs278> you're asking a guy who wrote a miner, his answer is biased
1375 2011-04-18 08:33:23 <Diablo-D3> slueth: generally, mine.
1376 2011-04-18 08:33:31 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: hey now
1377 2011-04-18 08:33:40 <Diablo-D3> I used poclbm for awhile before I wrote mine
1378 2011-04-18 08:33:42 <gjs278> did you have a recent update
1379 2011-04-18 08:33:46 <gjs278> like past week or so
1380 2011-04-18 08:33:49 <Diablo-D3> if his was so perfect, I wouldnt have wrote mine
1381 2011-04-18 08:33:52 <gjs278> I'll try it out again
1382 2011-04-18 08:33:54 <Diablo-D3> yes, in the past week
1383 2011-04-18 08:33:56 <gjs278> ok
1384 2011-04-18 08:34:28 <gjs278> I'll install 2.4 as well unless I should stick with 2.2
1385 2011-04-18 08:34:37 <topi`_> Diablo-D3: if his was generally good-enough, you would have written something else ;)
1386 2011-04-18 08:34:53 <Diablo-D3> topi`_: not really.
1387 2011-04-18 08:34:59 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: 2.4 > 2.2
1388 2011-04-18 08:35:03 <Diablo-D3> 2.2 still has the fucking cpu use bug
1389 2011-04-18 08:35:04 <gjs278> alright
1390 2011-04-18 08:35:06 <Diablo-D3> so does 2.3
1391 2011-04-18 08:35:20 <Diablo-D3> 2.4 is almost entirely 2.3 with the cpu use bug fixed
1392 2011-04-18 08:35:45 <slueth> Might go try out ur miner diablo.
1393 2011-04-18 08:36:25 <gjs278> 342mhash is the rate to beat
1394 2011-04-18 08:36:52 <gjs278> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NullPointerException :<
1395 2011-04-18 08:37:20 <slueth> I have gotten 350ish
1396 2011-04-18 08:37:20 <Diablo-D3> whole backtrace please
1397 2011-04-18 08:37:23 <slueth> but i was ocing
1398 2011-04-18 08:37:26 <sipa> ;;bc,stats
1399 2011-04-18 08:37:28 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118952 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 2007 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 7 hours, 36 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 197887.72101570
1400 2011-04-18 08:37:36 <sipa> ;;bc,calc 1260000
1401 2011-04-18 08:37:37 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1260000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 3 days, 15 hours, 26 minutes, and 25 seconds
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1403 2011-04-18 08:37:50 <gjs278> http://pastebin.com/evxmvZ1V I probably fucked up the host or something
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1405 2011-04-18 08:38:07 <Diablo-D3> no, sounds like it was just fed crap
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1407 2011-04-18 08:38:17 <Diablo-D3> I thought I fixed all of those twoo
1408 2011-04-18 08:38:20 <Diablo-D3> *too
1409 2011-04-18 08:38:26 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: connecting to a pool?
1410 2011-04-18 08:38:27 <gjs278> I'm using the binary, I could try grabbing the source
1411 2011-04-18 08:38:29 <gjs278> yeah
1412 2011-04-18 08:38:30 <gjs278> deepbit
1413 2011-04-18 08:38:32 <gjs278> -o deepbit.net -r 8332
1414 2011-04-18 08:38:36 <Diablo-D3> the binary is up to date with git
1415 2011-04-18 08:38:41 * Diablo-D3 pushes both at the same time
1416 2011-04-18 08:39:00 <Diablo-D3> hrm, has anyone tried mine on deepbit before?
1417 2011-04-18 08:39:21 <gjs278> for science I'll try slushs
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1419 2011-04-18 08:39:40 <Diablo-D3> com.diablominer.DiabloMiner.DiabloMiner$DeviceState$ExecutionState$GetWorkParser.doJSONRPC(DiabloMiner.java:793)
1420 2011-04-18 08:39:51 <Diablo-D3> 793: String error = responseMessage.get("error").getValueAsText().trim();
1421 2011-04-18 08:39:54 <jaromil> hey, anyone knows why the bitcoin git HEAD on github cannot read a .bitcoin database created with the bitcoind shipped in debian?
1422 2011-04-18 08:40:05 <Diablo-D3> which is immediately proceeded by if(responseMessage.get("error") != null) {
1423 2011-04-18 08:40:05 <jaromil> is this a known bug? i didn't saw any issue mentioning this
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1425 2011-04-18 08:40:34 <jaromil> if git HEAD is run on a db created before by bitcoind in debian, it quits with an error
1426 2011-04-18 08:40:52 <sipa> jaromil: both db4.7 ?
1427 2011-04-18 08:40:55 <Diablo-D3> jaromil: you're using the wrong version of bdb
1428 2011-04-18 08:41:06 <jaromil> ack, let me check
1429 2011-04-18 08:41:28 <gjs278> what port is slush
1430 2011-04-18 08:41:41 <gjs278> I'd check but site down
1431 2011-04-18 08:41:46 <Diablo-D3> 8332
1432 2011-04-18 08:41:52 <Diablo-D3> the pool is down too, btw
1433 2011-04-18 08:42:00 <Diablo-D3> just connect to a local bitcoind
1434 2011-04-18 08:42:13 <gjs278> lololol
1435 2011-04-18 08:42:32 <gjs278> Waiting...
1436 2011-04-18 08:42:44 <Diablo-D3> yeah, its working
1437 2011-04-18 08:42:48 <Diablo-D3> I wonder why deepbit chokes
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1439 2011-04-18 08:43:16 <gjs278> problem was just me
1440 2011-04-18 08:43:18 <gjs278> wrong password
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1442 2011-04-18 08:43:38 <Diablo-D3> yeah but it shouldnt be bombing there
1443 2011-04-18 08:43:46 <Diablo-D3> I bet hes not filling out the fucking error field
1444 2011-04-18 08:43:49 <gjs278> yeah
1445 2011-04-18 08:43:51 <Diablo-D3> or hes putting shit in iut
1446 2011-04-18 08:44:40 <gjs278> installing 2.4 now
1447 2011-04-18 08:45:37 <gjs278> damnit
1448 2011-04-18 08:45:41 <gjs278> zombie process now
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1450 2011-04-18 08:46:01 <gjs278> restarting to get rid of this pos process maxing out my cpu and not dying
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1457 2011-04-18 08:50:36 <jaromil> sipa, Diablo-D3 confirm: linking libdb4.7
1458 2011-04-18 08:50:46 <Diablo-D3> jaromil: hrm, strange.
1459 2011-04-18 08:50:46 <jaromil> libdb_cxx-4.7.so => /usr/lib/libdb_cxx-4.7.so (0x00007fbada04d000)
1460 2011-04-18 08:50:51 <Diablo-D3> what about debian's?
1461 2011-04-18 08:51:11 <slueth> Diablo-D3: Does your miner work in windows?
1462 2011-04-18 08:51:13 <BurtyB> mornin
1463 2011-04-18 08:51:21 <Diablo-D3> slueth: yes.
1464 2011-04-18 08:51:48 <jaromil> debian's is linking db4.8
1465 2011-04-18 08:51:55 <CIA-89> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * r427d2f6 / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Another error check because Deepbit doesn't return useful error messages - http://bit.ly/gYeLfa
1466 2011-04-18 08:51:56 <Diablo-D3> goddamnit debian.
1467 2011-04-18 08:52:01 <jaromil> and i just found out debian ships a shell script
1468 2011-04-18 08:52:16 <Diablo-D3> someone go bitch out the debian maint
1469 2011-04-18 08:52:30 <jaromil> i can try that
1470 2011-04-18 08:52:39 <jaromil> can you refer me some docu about the req for 4.7 ?
1471 2011-04-18 08:52:46 <Diablo-D3> the source.
1472 2011-04-18 08:53:21 <jaromil> any specific api call ?
1473 2011-04-18 08:53:24 <gjs278> what -w should I go with 5870
1474 2011-04-18 08:53:28 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: default.
1475 2011-04-18 08:53:31 <gjs278> ok
1476 2011-04-18 08:53:43 <jaromil> or is it just a braindead thing of berkeley db that at every minor version they drop compat?
1477 2011-04-18 08:53:48 <Diablo-D3> jaromil: no, its just that db automatically upgrades dbs from previous versions
1478 2011-04-18 08:53:50 <Diablo-D3> and you cant go back
1479 2011-04-18 08:53:58 <jaromil> ack
1480 2011-04-18 08:54:23 <jaromil> but then in my specific case, i can try forcing to link 4.8
1481 2011-04-18 08:54:26 <Diablo-D3> its "harmless", but you're stuck on the new version
1482 2011-04-18 08:54:30 <gjs278> http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/1719/screenshotdd.png 11.3 drivers, opencl 2.4
1483 2011-04-18 08:54:40 <jaromil> what a crappy policy
1484 2011-04-18 08:54:56 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: what did you get before?
1485 2011-04-18 08:55:20 <gjs278> 342 on poclbm, I've seen a good 300 on java miner before
1486 2011-04-18 08:55:26 <gjs278> but I had to wait like 5 minutes for it to hit that
1487 2011-04-18 08:55:29 <Diablo-D3> try -w 256
1488 2011-04-18 08:55:33 <gjs278> kk
1489 2011-04-18 08:56:05 <gjs278> much better
1490 2011-04-18 08:56:12 <gjs278> 310
1491 2011-04-18 08:56:16 <Diablo-D3> hrm, strange.
1492 2011-04-18 08:56:19 <gjs278> 319
1493 2011-04-18 08:56:25 <gjs278> around there now
1494 2011-04-18 08:56:26 <slueth> try -w 128
1495 2011-04-18 08:56:32 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: leave it run for about 5 minutes, and read the second number only.
1496 2011-04-18 08:56:34 <slueth> I get pretty decent results that way.
1497 2011-04-18 08:56:37 <gjs278> alright
1498 2011-04-18 08:56:51 <topi`_> jaromil: that's a policy that reminds me of Microsoft Office ... "once the boss upgrades, then the whole floor has to upgrade" :)
1499 2011-04-18 08:57:28 <ersi> Like a boss!
1500 2011-04-18 08:57:34 <Diablo-D3> LIKE A BAWS
1501 2011-04-18 08:57:38 <jaromil> gosh. is not even 4.8
1502 2011-04-18 08:57:46 <jaromil> is there a way to know which version a db is on?
1503 2011-04-18 08:57:55 <Diablo-D3> jaromil: the -dev package installed.
1504 2011-04-18 08:58:00 <Diablo-D3> oh
1505 2011-04-18 08:58:03 <Diablo-D3> dunno
1506 2011-04-18 08:58:06 <Diablo-D3> I think file might tell you
1507 2011-04-18 08:58:55 <jaromil> tells me Btree, version 9, native byte-order
1508 2011-04-18 08:59:36 <Diablo-D3> you're doing it on the .dat?
1509 2011-04-18 08:59:58 <jaromil> yep
1510 2011-04-18 09:00:04 <jaromil> Diablo-D3: i understand, your -dev hint is the key
1511 2011-04-18 09:00:05 <jaromil> libdb4.8-dev: Conflicts: libdb4.7-dev but 4.7.25-9 is installed.
1512 2011-04-18 09:00:19 <slueth> Diablo-D3: Sweet it runs both gpus at the same time.
1513 2011-04-18 09:00:20 <jaromil> so libdb_cxx-dev is default 4.7 in debian
1514 2011-04-18 09:00:23 <Diablo-D3> slueth: yup.
1515 2011-04-18 09:00:32 <jaromil> but the bitcoind package uses 4.8 by default
1516 2011-04-18 09:00:47 <slueth> getting crummy rates with -w 128
1517 2011-04-18 09:00:56 <slueth> maybe ill use -w 256
1518 2011-04-18 09:01:06 <gjs278> 311 mhash on 256 after 5 minutes
1519 2011-04-18 09:01:06 <Diablo-D3> it shouldnt need that
1520 2011-04-18 09:01:08 <jaromil> if one builds bitcoind from git HEAD with libdb_cxx-dev as dep then this prob will occurr
1521 2011-04-18 09:01:30 <Diablo-D3> jaromil: yes, because the debian maint fucked up.
1522 2011-04-18 09:01:37 <jaromil> sounds familiar
1523 2011-04-18 09:01:46 <jaromil> is the debian/ dir inside the repo?
1524 2011-04-18 09:02:01 <jaromil> it is a very good thing to do and debian policy encourages that
1525 2011-04-18 09:02:01 <Diablo-D3> no.
1526 2011-04-18 09:02:11 <Diablo-D3> and screw debian policy
1527 2011-04-18 09:02:18 <Diablo-D3> its a known fact they ignore those when they dont like it
1528 2011-04-18 09:02:29 * Diablo-D3 has been running debian for over a decade, he knows these things
1529 2011-04-18 09:02:49 <jaromil> tell me. i'm upstream for 3 packages with bugs filed which i fixed a year or more ago.. and still bothering me about them. deaf beaurocracy.
1530 2011-04-18 09:02:51 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: strange.
1531 2011-04-18 09:03:10 <jaromil> currently, i'm asking to become maintainer of my own packages, that works
1532 2011-04-18 09:03:19 <netxshare> hrm
1533 2011-04-18 09:03:20 <Diablo-D3> jaromil: judiciously close as WONTFIX like everyone else
1534 2011-04-18 09:03:22 <Diablo-D3> and yeeaahhh
1535 2011-04-18 09:03:28 <Diablo-D3> becoming your own maint is usually a pita
1536 2011-04-18 09:03:30 <slueth> 579844/573639 khash/sec ?? What does this imply?
1537 2011-04-18 09:03:31 <netxshare> I can not get nvcc to output ptx files
1538 2011-04-18 09:03:35 <gjs278> fwiw, when I super downclock my memory, the java miner keeps the same hash rate
1539 2011-04-18 09:03:35 <Diablo-D3> ask nenolod
1540 2011-04-18 09:03:45 <gjs278> and it's actually faster than poclbm in that scenario
1541 2011-04-18 09:03:46 <Diablo-D3> slueth: that implies you have a 5970 ;)
1542 2011-04-18 09:03:57 <slueth> I have two 5870.. so i guess its true
1543 2011-04-18 09:03:58 <jaromil> i feel that pita intensively already
1544 2011-04-18 09:04:08 <gjs278> is a 5970 really just two 5870's on the same card
1545 2011-04-18 09:04:12 <slueth> yea
1546 2011-04-18 09:04:16 <Diablo-D3> should be closer to 630 though
1547 2011-04-18 09:04:18 <lfm> slueth: use either, your choice
1548 2011-04-18 09:04:26 <Diablo-D3> oh wait
1549 2011-04-18 09:04:28 <slueth> Its ramping up to 600
1550 2011-04-18 09:04:31 <Diablo-D3> slueth: what sdk you on?
1551 2011-04-18 09:04:34 <slueth> 2.3
1552 2011-04-18 09:04:37 <Diablo-D3> that explains it
1553 2011-04-18 09:04:42 <slueth> i am installing 2.4 now :)
1554 2011-04-18 09:04:49 <Diablo-D3> you only get fast speed on 2.1
1555 2011-04-18 09:05:00 <Diablo-D3> you loose about, eh, maybe 15% on 2.3 and 2.4
1556 2011-04-18 09:05:03 <Diablo-D3> maybe 20 on 2.2
1557 2011-04-18 09:05:23 <Diablo-D3> slueth: I bet my miner is using all your cpu time too
1558 2011-04-18 09:05:31 <slueth> oh?
1559 2011-04-18 09:05:37 <Diablo-D3> unlike poclbm, when it hits the cpu use bug, it doesnt just peg one core
1560 2011-04-18 09:05:40 <Diablo-D3> it pegs ALL cores.
1561 2011-04-18 09:05:51 <gjs278> on 2.3, it was pegging 1 core for me
1562 2011-04-18 09:05:55 <slueth> Fun?
1563 2011-04-18 09:05:56 <Diablo-D3> rape needs to be contained in a leak proof container. this is why.
1564 2011-04-18 09:07:17 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: I suspect windows, the driver, or the sdk was trying to be clever
1565 2011-04-18 09:07:29 <Diablo-D3> setting all threads to affine the same core is usually a bad idea.
1566 2011-04-18 09:07:38 <slueth> what does the -u do?
1567 2011-04-18 09:07:44 <gjs278> I think that's your username
1568 2011-04-18 09:07:46 <Diablo-D3> slueth: --help
1569 2011-04-18 09:07:52 <slueth> thx
1570 2011-04-18 09:08:12 <jaromil> i can't believe libdb has no pkg-config .pc file in debian yet
1571 2011-04-18 09:08:53 <jaromil> and with such a dependency politic upstream....
1572 2011-04-18 09:12:56 <slueth> wierd
1573 2011-04-18 09:13:03 <slueth> you miner doesn't spike my gpu temps..
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1575 2011-04-18 09:13:27 <slueth> nvm its steadly increasing.. gave you too much credit
1576 2011-04-18 09:13:30 <Diablo-D3> lol
1577 2011-04-18 09:13:35 <Diablo-D3> GIVE IT TIME, IT RAPES ALL
1578 2011-04-18 09:14:13 <slueth> I like it because of pure lazyiness and how simple it is to run both gpus in a .bat in a single click
1579 2011-04-18 09:14:30 <slueth> hash rate isn't bad also
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1582 2011-04-18 09:17:04 <jaromil> yay, works
1583 2011-04-18 09:17:58 <jaromil> Diablo-D3: thanks for your coaching
1584 2011-04-18 09:18:14 <slueth> Diablo-D3: It rapes my memory also. 212k lol
1585 2011-04-18 09:18:30 <Diablo-D3> 212k? thats it?!
1586 2011-04-18 09:18:30 <slueth> Its okay though i have 12 gbs of ram..
1587 2011-04-18 09:18:35 <slueth> Lol!
1588 2011-04-18 09:18:36 <Diablo-D3> I think you meant 212 mb.
1589 2011-04-18 09:18:43 <slueth> yea
1590 2011-04-18 09:18:50 <Diablo-D3> well, thats java for you
1591 2011-04-18 09:18:52 <Diablo-D3> fun part
1592 2011-04-18 09:18:53 <slueth> yea
1593 2011-04-18 09:18:55 <Diablo-D3> most of its empty.
1594 2011-04-18 09:19:05 <Diablo-D3> double fun part
1595 2011-04-18 09:19:09 <Diablo-D3> its not as bad on linux.
1596 2011-04-18 09:19:36 <slueth> Rather program in java then c++ lol.. just tell the user to get more ram
1597 2011-04-18 09:20:37 <slueth> weird that poclbm doesn't take that much resources..
1598 2011-04-18 09:21:35 <slueth> takes about 85 mbs of ram
1599 2011-04-18 09:23:02 <jaromil> wow ok, bitcoind compiles fine the wx GUI with autotools
1600 2011-04-18 09:23:20 <jaromil> git clone git://code.dyne.org/bitcoin.git
1601 2011-04-18 09:23:41 <jaromil> i'm happy if anyone tries and, if you have more time, that we can add osx and win support
1602 2011-04-18 09:23:46 <lfm> mining shouldnt take much ram
1603 2011-04-18 09:24:25 <slueth> its probably the jre
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1621 2011-04-18 10:07:48 <topi`_> slush seems to be down, but it still gives out getworks.
1622 2011-04-18 10:08:27 <topi`_> jaromil: what are you exactly trying to achieve? :)
1623 2011-04-18 10:08:33 <topi`_> with the old libdb
1624 2011-04-18 10:10:40 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
1625 2011-04-18 10:10:41 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.1999,"low":1.0273,"vol":31337,"buy":1.1304,"sell":1.1799,"last":1.1304}}
1626 2011-04-18 10:10:52 <JFK911> huge spread
1627 2011-04-18 10:11:18 <retinal> >"vol":31337
1628 2011-04-18 10:11:24 * retinal giggles like a schoolgirl
1629 2011-04-18 10:12:16 <jeremias> mtgox.com makes 31337*0.0068=213 BTC from that volume
1630 2011-04-18 10:12:31 <jeremias> not yet very good business, but I'll bet it will become much more profitable
1631 2011-04-18 10:12:44 <jeremias> + they make money from deposits/withdrawals
1632 2011-04-18 10:12:53 <retinal> that's a wildly inaccurate estimation
1633 2011-04-18 10:13:10 <retinal> you're assuming that every BTC is traded once
1634 2011-04-18 10:13:14 <jeremias> well, mtgox takes 0.68% from each trade?
1635 2011-04-18 10:13:28 <retinal> and that doesn't take dark pools into account
1636 2011-04-18 10:13:51 <retinal> but whatever, it's late and I'm doing too much thinking
1637 2011-04-18 10:13:53 <ersi> topi`_: He's getting DDoSed. That, made the site churn down the MySQL which broke mining. He fixed MySQL so mining works
1638 2011-04-18 10:13:54 <BurtyB> looks like britcoin is down again :(
1639 2011-04-18 10:13:56 <retinal> â(-｡ｰ;)â
1640 2011-04-18 10:13:56 <jeremias> well, so they make more money from dark pools?
1641 2011-04-18 10:14:07 <jeremias> they are making at least 213 BTC
1642 2011-04-18 10:14:12 <jeremias> + some more money from dark pools
1643 2011-04-18 10:14:22 <jeremias> + some more from withdrawal/deposits
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1646 2011-04-18 10:21:07 <topi`_> ersi: so my found blocks will still end up in the db even though the web frontend is down?
1647 2011-04-18 10:22:15 <ersi> topi`_: Yeah, slush was here just a moment ago explaining what's up
1648 2011-04-18 10:22:29 <ersi> Since the back-end is alright, mining works and work is recorded
1649 2011-04-18 10:30:31 <jaromil> topi`_: sry i was away
1650 2011-04-18 10:31:05 <jaromil> topi`_: task accomplished: compilation of a working bitcoind from git HEAD on debian 6, which works on a db already created with debian's shipped bitcoind
1651 2011-04-18 10:31:09 <topi`_> i think i'll also go away, it's a good day to sit in a cafe and think a bit and write some tidbitrs
1652 2011-04-18 10:31:24 <jaromil> mmm might join you on that?
1653 2011-04-18 10:31:33 <topi`_> have any ideas for a cafe?
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1655 2011-04-18 10:31:46 <jaromil> but later, have a friend leaving at 15 and then some post to send
1656 2011-04-18 10:31:53 <topi`_> ok
1657 2011-04-18 10:32:01 <lfm> Ya, Im headed for Tim Horton's
1658 2011-04-18 10:32:28 <jaromil> but if we meet this evening i can show you the autotools branch :D nothing new, just bitcoind easy to compile
1659 2011-04-18 10:32:57 <jaromil> actually i wonder where is genjix
1660 2011-04-18 10:33:00 <jaromil> k gotta go, bbl
1661 2011-04-18 10:36:06 <genjix> jaromil: topi`_, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/164
1662 2011-04-18 10:36:19 <topi`_> bye
1663 2011-04-18 10:38:19 <topi`_> genjix: who's hosting this "bitnom"?
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1669 2011-04-18 11:03:43 <iera> hi, what do you think about shifting the ddos barrier to 0.001 as coins are worth more?
1670 2011-04-18 11:04:15 <Tritonio> Is there an incentive to share transatctions with other nodes? Or is the best strategy (by a small margin f course) to keep transactions just for your block?
1671 2011-04-18 11:04:26 <Tritonio> ddos barrier?
1672 2011-04-18 11:04:51 <iera> yes i read if you transfer less than 0.01, it gets eaten up by the transfer fee
1673 2011-04-18 11:07:28 <Tritonio> I think transfer fees are optional. Although I am not sure if the current clients drop transactions that don't include a fee.
1674 2011-04-18 11:08:06 <iera> hm can anybody give a statement how the fees are or are not implemented currently?
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1678 2011-04-18 11:18:37 <da2ce7> https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6047.0
1679 2011-04-18 11:18:50 <da2ce7> Dedicated hosting wanted.
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1683 2011-04-18 11:23:23 <sacarlson> I seem to be stuck on my private network reset of a proto bitcoin in obtaining a matching nNonce for a new genesisblock
1684 2011-04-18 11:23:56 <sipa> you don't need to
1685 2011-04-18 11:24:00 <sipa> the genesis block isn't checked
1686 2011-04-18 11:25:24 <sacarlson> sipa: well I guess I found the first block for my new pszTimestamp="The Times 16/Apr/2011 Tornadoes and vicious winds left 17 people dead across four states"
1687 2011-04-18 11:26:07 <sacarlson> sipa: I created a new block_hashMerkleRoot=0x59ff32c265f059e082c72e73e86754b12496407b95b1b7e3ad4b185b8c444a3e
1688 2011-04-18 11:27:17 <noagendamarket> weathercoin ?
1689 2011-04-18 11:27:19 <noagendamarket> lol
1690 2011-04-18 11:27:22 <sacarlson> sipa: I with that I set block_nNonce=1 and found the first block
1691 2011-04-18 11:28:14 <sacarlson> noagendamarket: no just only thing I could find in the paper that day
1692 2011-04-18 11:28:30 <noagendamarket> ah
1693 2011-04-18 11:28:50 <noagendamarket> did it have to be about death and destruction ^_^
1694 2011-04-18 11:29:33 <sacarlson> noagendamarket: that's suposed to prove that you knew something that happened on that day, no I just picked the front page headline
1695 2011-04-18 11:30:05 <noagendamarket> the front page here was about corrupt police :)
1696 2011-04-18 11:30:27 <sacarlson> noagendamarket: maybe that today but I started this days ago
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1698 2011-04-18 11:32:00 <sacarlson> even though I have been able to transfer funds back and fourth on the private network I still can't get the program to shutdown and restart
1699 2011-04-18 11:32:15 <topi`_> da2ce7: I have a Beagle board on the server room ;)
1700 2011-04-18 11:32:23 <topi`_> it's not a Dual opteron, though.
1701 2011-04-18 11:32:29 <topi`_> and has 256 MB of ram! :)
1702 2011-04-18 11:32:42 <da2ce7> ;;bc,mtgox
1703 2011-04-18 11:32:43 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.1999,"low":1.0273,"vol":31023,"buy":1.1453,"sell":1.1764,"last":1.1417}}
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1708 2011-04-18 11:42:28 <sipa> how low has it been since the last block?
1709 2011-04-18 11:43:21 <sipa> ;;bc,prob 700000000 1.5h
1710 2011-04-18 11:43:22 <gribble> Error: '1.5h' is not a valid argument.
1711 2011-04-18 11:47:39 <lfm> ;;bc,prob
1712 2011-04-18 11:47:40 <gribble> (bc,prob <an alias, at least 1 argument>) -- Alias for "math calc 1-exp(-$1*1000 * [seconds $*] / (2**32* [bc,diff]))".
1713 2011-04-18 11:48:06 <lfm> ;;bc,prob 700000000 90m
1714 2011-04-18 11:48:07 <gribble> 0.99992738184
1715 2011-04-18 11:48:35 <sipa> that was really remarkable
1716 2011-04-18 11:49:01 <sipa> oh, my mistake
1717 2011-04-18 11:49:06 <sipa> ;;bc,prob 700000000 40m
1718 2011-04-18 11:49:07 <gribble> 0.985530132584
1719 2011-04-18 11:50:17 <lfm> the probability there will be a block within 40 min of the last?
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1722 2011-04-18 11:54:48 <sipa> indeed
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1724 2011-04-18 11:55:47 <lfm> ;;bc,prob 700000000 10m
1725 2011-04-18 11:55:47 <gribble> 0.653170413641
1726 2011-04-18 11:55:56 <lfm> odd! grin
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1729 2011-04-18 11:56:49 <lfm> ;;bc,prob 600000000 10m
1730 2011-04-18 11:56:50 <gribble> 0.596527599186
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1736 2011-04-18 12:14:16 <da2ce7> topi`, sorry that is a little low grade for what I'm looking for
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1742 2011-04-18 12:42:27 <Pander> m0mchil miner says this: ImportError: libOpenCL.so.1: cannot open shared object file... I have /opt/ati-stream-sdk-v2.2-lnx64/lib/x86_64/libOpenCL.so, but not with the .1 How to fix? Create a simple link?
1743 2011-04-18 12:44:03 <BlueMatt> maybe, just try it
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1745 2011-04-18 12:44:58 <Pander> Next error is: pyopencl.LogicError: clGetPlatformIDs failed: invalid/unknown error code
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1747 2011-04-18 12:45:53 <BlueMatt> so, you need a different opencl library versin
1748 2011-04-18 12:45:57 <rly> What happens when you find a block with the poclbm miner? Is there a log file or something like that?
1749 2011-04-18 12:45:57 <BlueMatt> version*
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1751 2011-04-18 12:57:08 <da2ce7> hey I'm looking for PHP devs? anyone intersted, pm me.
1752 2011-04-18 12:57:21 * kiba is only a rails developer
1753 2011-04-18 12:57:44 * lfm is only a C developer
1754 2011-04-18 12:58:04 <kiba> too bad da2ce7 only want a PHP devs not a web developer :(
1755 2011-04-18 12:58:20 <da2ce7> :P
1756 2011-04-18 12:58:36 <rly> PHP devs are the worst ;)
1757 2011-04-18 12:58:54 <ersi> ::trollface::
1758 2011-04-18 12:59:00 <noagendamarket> theres lots of rails devs in bitcoinland
1759 2011-04-18 12:59:15 <da2ce7> lots of python
1760 2011-04-18 12:59:24 <ersi> I call them all de-railers
1761 2011-04-18 12:59:29 <ersi> ::trollface::
1762 2011-04-18 12:59:31 * da2ce7 like python, however cannot use one for this project :(
1763 2011-04-18 13:00:34 <rly> He has a budget of 100BTC.
1764 2011-04-18 13:00:44 <rly> ROFL
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1766 2011-04-18 13:01:01 <ersi> So? That does not say anything about what needs to be done for that
1767 2011-04-18 13:01:23 <BlueMatt> what does da2ce7 need done?
1768 2011-04-18 13:01:28 <kiba> bitcoinmatPLN volume is pretty high now
1769 2011-04-18 13:02:07 <kiba> well, not that high
1770 2011-04-18 13:02:28 <BurtyB> oi nout wrong with being a PHP dev :p
1771 2011-04-18 13:03:19 <xelister> kiba: lol
1772 2011-04-18 13:03:25 * da2ce7 dosn't need a huge ammount of work done. 70btc an hour is very expencive.
1773 2011-04-18 13:03:46 <ersi> BurtyB: they're just regulary-language-elitism-trolling
1774 2011-04-18 13:04:26 <rly> The 9001BTC for the video was a fair price.
1775 2011-04-18 13:04:34 <lfm> if its for 1/2 hour work it is reasonable
1776 2011-04-18 13:04:35 <BurtyB> ersi :)
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1778 2011-04-18 13:04:55 <noagendamarket> the video award was over 9000
1779 2011-04-18 13:05:00 <noagendamarket> how appropriate
1780 2011-04-18 13:05:12 <rly> noagendamarket: I just said that.
1781 2011-04-18 13:05:28 <BlueMatt> rly: i think he was being sarcastic ;)
1782 2011-04-18 13:06:02 <da2ce7> this is for one of my side projects, not the highest priority so I can wait arround for a while for sombody to offer me a good price.
1783 2011-04-18 13:06:20 <rly> I don't think the guys who received the money got rich in any way from that.
1784 2011-04-18 13:06:29 * kiba thinks about creating an accounting/charting tool for one's bitcoin wallet
1785 2011-04-18 13:06:34 <rly> They did it because they want Bitcoin to succeed.
1786 2011-04-18 13:06:56 <da2ce7> well ain't we all in for that.
1787 2011-04-18 13:06:59 <rly> With their talent, they can surely get more from other sources.
1788 2011-04-18 13:07:01 <kiba> rly: what's the difference between a fair price and an unfair price
1789 2011-04-18 13:07:14 <rly> kiba: the number?
1790 2011-04-18 13:07:19 <lfm> kiba gut feel
1791 2011-04-18 13:07:46 * da2ce7 will wait arround till 10btc is a fair price.
1792 2011-04-18 13:07:53 <da2ce7> lol
1793 2011-04-18 13:07:58 <noagendamarket> lol
1794 2011-04-18 13:08:14 <lfm> geez how much work do you expect for 10btc?
1795 2011-04-18 13:08:16 <da2ce7> 10btc = 10K USD OMG
1796 2011-04-18 13:08:30 <BlueMatt> well at the rate of this price increase...might not have to wait long
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1798 2011-04-18 13:08:36 <BlueMatt> new all time high today already
1799 2011-04-18 13:08:54 <BlueMatt> that is new all-time high by .1
1800 2011-04-18 13:08:57 <kiba> hmm, bitcoin is going to change the world
1801 2011-04-18 13:09:11 <kiba> but I need to figure out a survival plan so that I can see it
1802 2011-04-18 13:09:43 <rly> That is probably just market manipulation.
1803 2011-04-18 13:09:54 <da2ce7> well the thing is that maybe I will get a programer from somewhere where labour is cheap
1804 2011-04-18 13:10:02 <lfm> hi of 1.20?
1805 2011-04-18 13:10:29 <kiba> rly: that's just a conjecture
1806 2011-04-18 13:10:43 <rly> kiba: sure, there is nothing to prove.
1807 2011-04-18 13:12:13 <kiba> keyboard feel snappy ^_^
1808 2011-04-18 13:13:06 <xelister> rly: Y U has nick sounding like an word in online chats
1809 2011-04-18 13:13:08 <BlueMatt> rly: why the constant pessimism?
1810 2011-04-18 13:14:07 <rly> BlueMatt: constant?
1811 2011-04-18 13:16:02 <rly> xelister: I avoid channels in which people use rly as a word like the plague.
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1813 2011-04-18 13:16:37 <ArtForz> rly?
1814 2011-04-18 13:16:39 <ersi> rly: orly?
1815 2011-04-18 13:16:55 <ersi> inb4 insta/part
1816 2011-04-18 13:17:06 <rly> Such a predictable response.
1817 2011-04-18 13:17:26 <kiba> wee! 1 vote on witcoin and I am profitable!
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1819 2011-04-18 13:17:53 <noagendamarket> kiba correct
1820 2011-04-18 13:18:02 <ersi> rly: Well, we don't see you avoiding this channel like 'the plague'. Unless by 'the plague' you mean the character in the movie Hackers
1821 2011-04-18 13:18:02 <noagendamarket> hope you like the updates
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1823 2011-04-18 13:18:30 <noagendamarket> lots of changes coming to witcoin soon
1824 2011-04-18 13:19:02 <kiba> will I be able to embedd witcoin commenting system into my site, like bitcoinweekly?
1825 2011-04-18 13:19:29 <noagendamarket> since the faucet shut down if you post in http://free.witcoin.com and someone upvotes you get free cash
1826 2011-04-18 13:19:30 <BlueMatt> rly: so far all Ive seen from you is pessimism :)
1827 2011-04-18 13:19:32 <noagendamarket> :)
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1829 2011-04-18 13:19:47 <ersi> noagendamarket: Neat idea
1830 2011-04-18 13:19:48 <noagendamarket> so people can get into bitcoin that way
1831 2011-04-18 13:20:04 <BlueMatt> great market opportunity for witcoin
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1833 2011-04-18 13:20:13 <noagendamarket> if its abused from spam we will change it up
1834 2011-04-18 13:20:21 <noagendamarket> add captcha etc
1835 2011-04-18 13:20:58 <noagendamarket> BlueMatt lets hope it also helps bitcoin
1836 2011-04-18 13:21:10 <noagendamarket> the faucet is invaluable
1837 2011-04-18 13:21:27 <noagendamarket> its how many many people first get to use bitcoin
1838 2011-04-18 13:22:17 <BlueMatt> noagendamarket: should be abused, people have to pay to upvote so...
1839 2011-04-18 13:22:23 * kiba doesn't get much feedback on his bitcoinweekly site except from witcoin votes
1840 2011-04-18 13:22:28 <BlueMatt> you wont make money doing random stuff
1841 2011-04-18 13:22:40 <noagendamarket> its not about making money
1842 2011-04-18 13:22:56 <kiba> I won't make money doing random stuff?
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1844 2011-04-18 13:23:01 <kiba> but I do make money!
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1847 2011-04-18 13:23:08 <noagendamarket> lol
1848 2011-04-18 13:23:19 <da2ce7> :P
1849 2011-04-18 13:23:25 * da2ce7 needs to make more money
1850 2011-04-18 13:23:41 <noagendamarket> also category costs have been drastically reduced
1851 2011-04-18 13:23:47 <BlueMatt> noagendamarket: well you should pimp it as a replacement for the faucet
1852 2011-04-18 13:23:59 <BlueMatt> to get people into bitcoin so that it gets linked everywhere
1853 2011-04-18 13:24:13 <da2ce7> yep
1854 2011-04-18 13:24:30 <noagendamarket> I dont want to use the misfortune of the faucet closing down to sell witcoin
1855 2011-04-18 13:24:45 <BlueMatt> why not?
1856 2011-04-18 13:24:55 <BlueMatt> someone should take its place
1857 2011-04-18 13:24:57 <noagendamarket> gavin should point the domain there lol
1858 2011-04-18 13:25:13 <da2ce7> the faucet could give out witcoinst!
1859 2011-04-18 13:25:13 <kiba> for gavin, the bitcoin facuet is a money losing proposition anyway
1860 2011-04-18 13:25:14 <BlueMatt> its a great way to get people into bitcoin...get your first bitcoins/free money here
1861 2011-04-18 13:25:20 <da2ce7> *witcoins
1862 2011-04-18 13:25:32 <BlueMatt> people do anything for free money
1863 2011-04-18 13:25:34 <noagendamarket> haha da2ce7 that is a neat idea
1864 2011-04-18 13:25:47 <noagendamarket> perhaps it will be possible soon
1865 2011-04-18 13:25:50 <BlueMatt> and giving them a couple bitcents to get started gets a ton of people into bitcoin
1866 2011-04-18 13:26:04 <lfm> people do anything for free money --- even wok?
1867 2011-04-18 13:26:07 <lfm> people do anything for free money --- even work?
1868 2011-04-18 13:26:29 <kiba> bitcoin succeed by people possessing bitcoin and using it!
1869 2011-04-18 13:26:57 <BlueMatt> and giving them free money gets the into it to start them using it
1870 2011-04-18 13:27:01 <noagendamarket> yes
1871 2011-04-18 13:27:05 <BlueMatt> lfm: that kind of defeats the purpose, now doesnt it?
1872 2011-04-18 13:27:08 <ersi> But, the money isn't free - if you have to do something to get it!
1873 2011-04-18 13:27:16 <ersi> :OOOO
1874 2011-04-18 13:27:18 <noagendamarket> but automating it is impossible
1875 2011-04-18 13:27:27 * ersi sounds the logic/language alarms
1876 2011-04-18 13:27:28 <noagendamarket> it needs the human touch
1877 2011-04-18 13:27:50 <ersi> I've heard that, nothing is impossible. Is that a lie? :(
1878 2011-04-18 13:28:04 <noagendamarket> if somneone posts a funny joke on witcoin ill vote them up
1879 2011-04-18 13:28:18 <noagendamarket> if I like it :)
1880 2011-04-18 13:28:44 <noagendamarket> or anything really that proves they are not a bot
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1883 2011-04-18 13:30:51 * kiba curated 14 articles thus far for bitcoinweekly
1884 2011-04-18 13:31:24 <kiba> I need....MOAR!
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1886 2011-04-18 13:36:40 <kiba> witcoin taffic is pitfiul compared to bitcoin forum's traffic
1887 2011-04-18 13:37:09 <kiba> thus, the need to...advertise witcoin far and wide
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1890 2011-04-18 13:37:45 <noagendamarket> well Im trying to boost it
1891 2011-04-18 13:38:02 <noagendamarket> I introduced a witcoin giveaway
1892 2011-04-18 13:39:00 <noagendamarket> I agree that a witcon commenting system is a great idea
1893 2011-04-18 13:39:07 <noagendamarket> *witcoin
1894 2011-04-18 13:41:42 <kiba> well, hurry up before I use disqus
1895 2011-04-18 13:41:56 * kiba is waiting for that feature a long time
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1902 2011-04-18 13:54:45 <genjix> topi`_: it's on a random server
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1905 2011-04-18 13:58:20 <necrodearia> witcoin commenting system?
1906 2011-04-18 13:58:23 <necrodearia> what's that?
1907 2011-04-18 13:58:28 <necrodearia> ah, 3rd party comments?
1908 2011-04-18 13:59:01 <ersi> necrodearia: http://witcoin.com
1909 2011-04-18 13:59:13 <necrodearia> ersi, ooh, that's awesome! do you know who the owner is?
1910 2011-04-18 13:59:13 <ersi> Sorta like Reddit, but with Bitcoins involved.
1911 2011-04-18 13:59:19 <necrodearia> that's amazing!
1912 2011-04-18 13:59:24 <necrodearia> it's liek creddit!
1913 2011-04-18 13:59:28 <ersi> necrodearia: noagendamarket I would presume
1914 2011-04-18 13:59:30 <kiba> necrodearia is the co-founder of witcoin, ersi
1915 2011-04-18 13:59:39 <kiba> ;)
1916 2011-04-18 13:59:41 <ersi> wat
1917 2011-04-18 13:59:45 * necrodearia grins
1918 2011-04-18 13:59:55 * ersi let's out a "derp"
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1920 2011-04-18 14:00:24 <noagendamarket> hahah
1921 2011-04-18 14:00:28 <noagendamarket> nice one
1922 2011-04-18 14:00:31 <jaromil> witcoin rocks! :D
1923 2011-04-18 14:00:50 * noagendamarket votes up jaromil
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1925 2011-04-18 14:00:53 <jaromil> and i'm not affiliated :D
1926 2011-04-18 14:00:56 <jaromil> but i'm just registering
1927 2011-04-18 14:01:04 * necrodearia 'supports' jaromil with 0.10 witcoins
1928 2011-04-18 14:01:11 <noagendamarket> hey
1929 2011-04-18 14:01:12 <jaromil> ahahahah hey thanks
1930 2011-04-18 14:01:31 <noagendamarket> goodnight gentlemen
1931 2011-04-18 14:01:35 <jaromil> BTW on this conf http://www.dyndy.net/2011/04/bitcoin-presented-to-the-old-world/
1932 2011-04-18 14:01:40 <jaromil> it was presented witcoin
1933 2011-04-18 14:01:42 <jaromil> among other projects
1934 2011-04-18 14:01:46 <noagendamarket> yeah it was
1935 2011-04-18 14:01:51 <jaromil> and it was the one visibly getting most appreciation by the audience
1936 2011-04-18 14:01:58 <necrodearia> yay for genjix
1937 2011-04-18 14:01:59 <noagendamarket> I almost wet myself
1938 2011-04-18 14:02:00 <jaromil> like "oh wow then it can be good too"
1939 2011-04-18 14:02:02 <jaromil> yes
1940 2011-04-18 14:02:06 <jaromil> genjix was good
1941 2011-04-18 14:02:11 <mtrlt> :)
1942 2011-04-18 14:02:12 <mtrlt> awesome
1943 2011-04-18 14:02:17 <noagendamarket> witcoin has lolcats too
1944 2011-04-18 14:02:19 <noagendamarket> :)
1945 2011-04-18 14:02:23 <jaromil> k guys i'm gonna invest the btc i've got from him in witcoin
1946 2011-04-18 14:02:32 <jaromil> i think is the best way :) and i'm posting content myself so..
1947 2011-04-18 14:02:32 <jaromil> :)
1948 2011-04-18 14:02:38 <necrodearia> jaromil, Let us know your userid when you create an account
1949 2011-04-18 14:02:44 <jaromil> 10x :D
1950 2011-04-18 14:03:22 <noagendamarket> this is bitcoin-dev not witcoin-dev lol
1951 2011-04-18 14:03:37 <noagendamarket> we have our own chan :)-
1952 2011-04-18 14:03:44 <necrodearia> we do?
1953 2011-04-18 14:03:54 * noagendamarket thinks about it
1954 2011-04-18 14:03:56 * necrodearia checks
1955 2011-04-18 14:04:24 <ersi> I think witcoin.com looks like someone barfed at a web browser :(
1956 2011-04-18 14:04:48 <noagendamarket> did they eat blueberries ?
1957 2011-04-18 14:04:52 <ersi> Yes
1958 2011-04-18 14:04:56 <necrodearia> hmm, I don't see it listed at http://topchan.info/
1959 2011-04-18 14:05:02 <necrodearia> Are you sure we have our own chan?
1960 2011-04-18 14:05:18 <necrodearia> ersi, oh? You can blame tcatm for that.
1961 2011-04-18 14:05:21 * kiba watches the web stat for bitcoinweekly excitely
1962 2011-04-18 14:05:49 <jaromil> q: do i have to use openid and such to enter witcoin?
1963 2011-04-18 14:05:54 * noagendamarket points at tcatm
1964 2011-04-18 14:06:04 <necrodearia> jaromil, nope
1965 2011-04-18 14:06:07 <noagendamarket> jasromil you can use bitcoin to login
1966 2011-04-18 14:06:13 <necrodearia> or to register
1967 2011-04-18 14:06:18 <noagendamarket> *jaromil
1968 2011-04-18 14:06:25 <noagendamarket> yeah register too
1969 2011-04-18 14:06:26 <jaromil> mmmmm, the bitcoin acct doesn't works lemme try better
1970 2011-04-18 14:06:31 <jaromil> ok
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1972 2011-04-18 14:09:02 <jaromil> kewl, i'm in
1973 2011-04-18 14:09:06 <jaromil> jaromil is my id i think?
1974 2011-04-18 14:09:46 <jaromil> BTW guys, maybe on another channel, however i'd like to sign up dyne.org as a charitable org. it is a regularly registered non-profit foundation
1975 2011-04-18 14:10:45 <jaromil> however i'm gonna study witcoin. i like the look of the site btw
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1977 2011-04-18 14:11:24 * necrodearia checks
1978 2011-04-18 14:11:41 <necrodearia> jaromil, You're welcome to /join #witcoin
1979 2011-04-18 14:11:44 <jaromil> thanks
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1984 2011-04-18 14:18:04 <necrodearia> kiba, I am a step closer to establishing 3rd party comment system.
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1986 2011-04-18 14:18:46 <necrodearia> Since I have adjusted prices for all categories to be the same mostly, and also established control over the prices as opposed to category renters having control over them.
1987 2011-04-18 14:18:59 <kiba> ok
1988 2011-04-18 14:19:22 <necrodearia> Previously I had discussed with Spenvo that there may be opportunity for abuse in relation to category renters setting prices too high and costing a lot for those that make use of 3rd party comments.
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1992 2011-04-18 14:31:33 <da2ce7> ok, I have an add up now: https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4739.msg88844#msg88844
1993 2011-04-18 14:34:27 <Lachesis> slush is still down? is there any news?
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1995 2011-04-18 14:36:49 <lfm> he was here, he said there was a ddos problem of some sort, his mysql was acting up
1996 2011-04-18 14:37:06 <Lachesis> i see
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2000 2011-04-18 14:38:49 <Lachesis> i switched back to local last night
2001 2011-04-18 14:38:53 <Lachesis> think i'll stay there for a while
2002 2011-04-18 14:38:56 <Lachesis> anyway, thx
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2012 2011-04-18 14:59:11 <rly> A DDoS is cheaper than mining more :)
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2025 2011-04-18 15:19:50 <xelister> rly: rly?
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2029 2011-04-18 15:37:54 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * rcd33136822d2 spesmilo/cashier.py: Handle category "immature" (0.3.21) sanely, and implement category-dependent valid->process->confirm levels http://tinyurl.com/3ph46xr
2030 2011-04-18 15:37:55 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * rbe04c5a482cc spesmilo/cashier.py: a little optimization http://tinyurl.com/3tjh8oe
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2033 2011-04-18 15:43:29 <rli> ;;bc,stats
2034 2011-04-18 15:43:32 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118993 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 1966 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 0 hours, 22 minutes, and 32 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 98869.74585635
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2038 2011-04-18 15:50:08 <xelister> I donated Diablominer a 10 BTC, cool?\
2039 2011-04-18 15:50:24 <xelister> (in 0.01 btc payments :happytrollface: :-D)
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2041 2011-04-18 15:54:23 <JFK911> ;;bc,stats
2042 2011-04-18 15:54:25 <gribble> Current Blocks: 118996 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 1963 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 13 hours, 32 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 101873.90023482
2043 2011-04-18 15:57:30 <luke-jr> so anyhow
2044 2011-04-18 15:57:33 <luke-jr> I need a pool
2045 2011-04-18 15:57:36 <luke-jr> :P
2046 2011-04-18 15:57:46 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 265000
2047 2011-04-18 15:57:46 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 265000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 2 weeks, 3 days, 7 hours, 45 minutes, and 16 seconds
2048 2011-04-18 15:57:56 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r2e9869e96186 spesmilo/cashier.py: Bugfix: Python won't let you delete a non-existent attribute http://tinyurl.com/3ejlrhd
2049 2011-04-18 15:57:57 <jgarzik> luke-jr: Need a pool? https://xf2.org/services/ :)
2050 2011-04-18 15:58:45 <luke-jr> jgarzik: yeah, but that isn't ready yet, is it?
2051 2011-04-18 15:59:32 <luke-jr> hmm
2052 2011-04-18 15:59:40 <luke-jr> I might be able to survive this difficulty on my own actually
2053 2011-04-18 15:59:41 <jgarzik> luke-jr: ? it works. currently beta testing.
2054 2011-04-18 15:59:44 <luke-jr> considering my 125% yield
2055 2011-04-18 15:59:59 <luke-jr> jgarzik: it works, considering the requirements I already mentioned?
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2057 2011-04-18 16:00:14 <midnightmagic> 98k estimate huh?
2058 2011-04-18 16:00:18 <luke-jr> that is, my block acceptance policy, and direct generation payouts
2059 2011-04-18 16:00:25 <midnightmagic> oh, it just switched, nevermind.
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2061 2011-04-18 16:00:52 <luke-jr> jgarzik: plus, IIRC you said I couldn't run it on my own server :P
2062 2011-04-18 16:01:13 <jgarzik> luke-jr: which requirement already mentioned? I just saw "I need a pool" part :)
2063 2011-04-18 16:01:27 <luke-jr> [11:56:54] <luke-jr> that is, my block acceptance policy, and direct generation payouts
2064 2011-04-18 16:01:55 <jgarzik> luke-jr: my services are managed on my servers, that's correct. the software is open source, so you can download, use and manage yourself: https://github.com/jgarzik/pushpool
2065 2011-04-18 16:02:13 <jgarzik> luke-jr: yeah, that would take some patching :/
2066 2011-04-18 16:03:58 <luke-jr> jgarzik: hey, that's not on BitGit :/
2067 2011-04-18 16:04:05 <luke-jr> jgarzik: wanna add it, or do I have to? :P
2068 2011-04-18 16:04:10 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/regproj.cgi
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2071 2011-04-18 16:05:39 <mizerydearia> On all linux platforms, compiling bitcoin from source also compiles twice, one for each variant? Or is that specific to the gentoo ebuild only?
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2076 2011-04-18 16:07:55 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr example_tx_status * reb5778feee7b bitcoind-personal/rpc.cpp: EXAMPLE: Instead of different categories for confirmation stages, use a status applicable to all txn http://tinyurl.com/6kuwrjc
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2079 2011-04-18 16:10:13 <jgarzik> luke-jr: so yeah, I could host your setup... but hosting and managing a non-standard bitcoind would be an additional 5 BTC/month
2080 2011-04-18 16:10:34 <jgarzik> (which is the price I was thinking of charging, for hosting private bitcoind nodes)
2081 2011-04-18 16:13:21 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,calc 586000
2082 2011-04-18 16:13:22 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 586000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 1 week, 0 days, 20 hours, and 42 seconds
2083 2011-04-18 16:13:35 <luke-jr> jgarzik: I don't need a host tho, just setup and maybe Management and/r support
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2085 2011-04-18 16:13:54 <luke-jr> gosh, Linux is terrible when swap thrashing
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2087 2011-04-18 16:14:01 <jgarzik> luke-jr: ok
2088 2011-04-18 16:14:21 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,calc 630000
2089 2011-04-18 16:14:21 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 630000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 1 week, 0 days, 6 hours, 52 minutes, and 51 seconds
2090 2011-04-18 16:14:49 <jgarzik> luke-jr: for efficiency's sake, I only support and manage stuff hosted on my servers. Make's life easier when I control the OS and details like that. Oh well. Anytime you need managed hosting, let me know :)
2091 2011-04-18 16:14:51 <midnightmagic> huh. still 4 blocks per month. whee!
2092 2011-04-18 16:14:57 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,calcd 630000 [bc,estimate]
2093 2011-04-18 16:14:57 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 630000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 103252.75891912, is 1 week, 1 day, 3 hours, 31 minutes, and 56 seconds
2094 2011-04-18 16:15:07 <luke-jr> jgarzik: will do, if I ever need it :P
2095 2011-04-18 16:15:12 <luke-jr> jgarzik: how about setup?
2096 2011-04-18 16:15:24 <jgarzik> luke-jr: same :/
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2098 2011-04-18 16:17:05 <DukeOfURL> ;;bc,calc 1500000
2099 2011-04-18 16:17:06 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1500000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 3 days, 1 hour, 26 minutes, and 59 seconds
2100 2011-04-18 16:17:14 <DukeOfURL> ;;bc,calc 1500
2101 2011-04-18 16:17:14 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1500 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 8 years, 20 weeks, 0 days, 9 hours, 58 minutes, and 42 seconds
2102 2011-04-18 16:18:34 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,calc 22000
2103 2011-04-18 16:18:35 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 22000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 29 weeks, 5 days, 15 hours, 57 minutes, and 11 seconds
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2106 2011-04-18 16:23:20 <luke-jr> jgarzik: IMO, it would be nice if bitcoinrpc didn't use 2 syscalls for every single octet it receives ;)
2107 2011-04-18 16:23:48 <jgarzik> luke-jr: bitcoinrpc flat out sucks
2108 2011-04-18 16:23:52 <luke-jr> â¦
2109 2011-04-18 16:24:18 <luke-jr> actually, it just seems to do it for headers
2110 2011-04-18 16:24:56 <jgarzik> luke-jr: the single-threaded, single-socket-at-a-time implementation in bitcoind is just plain awful
2111 2011-04-18 16:25:13 <luke-jr> jgarzik: that's the other end :p
2112 2011-04-18 16:25:37 <luke-jr> jgarzik: (I take it you don't care to add pushpool to BitGit then?)
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2114 2011-04-18 16:27:55 <jgarzik> luke-jr: oh, the python thingy? hrm, httplib does char-at-a-time I/O? That's quite lame, if true :)
2115 2011-04-18 16:28:10 <luke-jr> jgarzik: for headers
2116 2011-04-18 16:28:15 <luke-jr> jgarzik: and it polls for each char too
2117 2011-04-18 16:28:18 <jgarzik> sigh
2118 2011-04-18 16:28:35 * jgarzik takes python stdlib programmers back to CS 101
2119 2011-04-18 16:28:44 <luke-jr> XD
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2121 2011-04-18 16:29:20 <jgarzik> luke-jr: oh well. in the grand scheme of things, you're just copying from a kernel buffer, so at least it's fast.
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2125 2011-04-18 16:36:05 <luke-jr> jgarzik: the context switch is probably the nusance of it
2126 2011-04-18 16:36:53 <purplezky> ;;bc,stats
2127 2011-04-18 16:36:55 <gribble> Current Blocks: 119001 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 1958 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 3 hours, 31 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 105223.35693461
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2129 2011-04-18 16:42:04 <luke-jr> jgarzik: probably need to demolish it and start over
2130 2011-04-18 16:44:04 <Guest21512> wow, over 100,000 diff
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2132 2011-04-18 16:44:22 <Guest21512> ;;bc,gend 5000000, 105000
2133 2011-04-18 16:44:22 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
2134 2011-04-18 16:44:39 <Guest21512> ;;bc, gend 5000000
2135 2011-04-18 16:44:39 <gribble> Error: "bc," is not a valid command.
2136 2011-04-18 16:44:57 <Guest21512> ;;bc,gend 5000000 105000
2137 2011-04-18 16:44:58 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 5000000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 105000, is 47.8965895517 BTC per day and 1.99569123132 BTC per hour.
2138 2011-04-18 16:45:18 <Guest21512> ;;bc,gend 4000000 105000
2139 2011-04-18 16:45:18 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 4000000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 105000, is 38.3172716413 BTC per day and 1.59655298506 BTC per hour.
2140 2011-04-18 16:45:21 <jgarzik> Guest21512: next-diff estimation is always pretty variable, right after a diff change
2141 2011-04-18 16:45:34 <Guest21512> ah, yeah, I forgot it just changed
2142 2011-04-18 16:46:03 <midnightmagic> also, guest, you can do this:
2143 2011-04-18 16:46:13 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,calcd 5000000 [bc,estimate]
2144 2011-04-18 16:46:14 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 5000000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 102938.46942933, is 1 day, 0 hours, 33 minutes, and 43 seconds
2145 2011-04-18 16:46:34 <midnightmagic> ;;bc,gend 5000000 [bc,estimate]
2146 2011-04-18 16:46:34 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 5000000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 102938.46942933, is 48.8558061026 BTC per day and 2.03565858761 BTC per hour.
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2149 2011-04-18 16:49:11 <xelister> dolch: :q
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2151 2011-04-18 16:49:19 <Guest21512> cool, good tip, thank
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2157 2011-04-18 16:56:06 <midnightmagic> welcome
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2175 2011-04-18 17:19:34 <eamon> How would I calculate the probability of earning X bitcoins in time Y at Z Mhash/s?
2176 2011-04-18 17:19:48 <xelister> ;;bc,prob
2177 2011-04-18 17:19:48 <gribble> (bc,prob <an alias, at least 1 argument>) -- Alias for "math calc 1-exp(-$1*1000 * [seconds $*] / (2**32* [bc,diff]))".
2178 2011-04-18 17:20:01 <xelister> oh for X bitcoins... dunno
2179 2011-04-18 17:20:18 <pistonrage> hi there, just looking into BitCoin, got the program running, So a quick question, looking at the "getting started" page, it says the first time you run the program it downloads the blocks. Any idea how many blocks it's going to be down;oading?
2180 2011-04-18 17:20:33 <xelister> ;;bc,stat
2181 2011-04-18 17:20:33 <gribble> Error: "bc,stat" is not a valid command.
2182 2011-04-18 17:20:33 <luke-jr> ;;bc,blocks
2183 2011-04-18 17:20:34 <gribble> 119005
2184 2011-04-18 17:20:35 <luke-jr> pistonrage: ^
2185 2011-04-18 17:20:36 <xelister> pistonrage: ^
2186 2011-04-18 17:20:40 <xelister> copycast
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2188 2011-04-18 17:20:48 <luke-jr> xelister: I was first, and yours was wrong
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2190 2011-04-18 17:21:28 <pistonrage> oh good nearly done then
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2193 2011-04-18 17:23:18 <eamon> ;;bc,prob 50000/2 1y
2194 2011-04-18 17:23:19 <gribble> 0.862996300908
2195 2011-04-18 17:23:28 <eamon> ;;bc,prob 50000/5 1y
2196 2011-04-18 17:23:28 <gribble> 0.548463442829
2197 2011-04-18 17:24:46 <eamon> How would I integrate under that curve? to get the total number of blocks solved in a year?
2198 2011-04-18 17:26:03 <eamon> It the worg curve to integrate I know
2199 2011-04-18 17:26:32 <eamon> But how to calculate the number of blocks I'm going to solve in a given time?
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2211 2011-04-18 17:43:41 <luke-jr> anyone have a working bitcoind.exe for Windows?
2212 2011-04-18 17:43:50 <luke-jr> eg, with whatever flag is required to run in the background
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2221 2011-04-18 17:59:06 <jgarzik> luke-jr: start <cmd>
2222 2011-04-18 18:00:26 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, bitcoin.exe or bitcoind.exe?
2223 2011-04-18 18:00:41 <luke-jr> bitcoind.exe
2224 2011-04-18 18:00:46 <luke-jr> jgarzik: need /B too
2225 2011-04-18 18:00:55 <luke-jr> but I thought there was a way to have that default
2226 2011-04-18 18:01:19 <jgarzik> luke-jr: according to BlueMatt's research, bitcoin[d].exe has never been able to background itself / run properly as a service?
2227 2011-04-18 18:01:24 <jgarzik> patches welcome, of course
2228 2011-04-18 18:01:36 <luke-jr> jgarzik: it's some EXE flag
2229 2011-04-18 18:01:36 <phantomcircuit> sounds trivial
2230 2011-04-18 18:01:38 <phantomcircuit> one sec
2231 2011-04-18 18:01:41 <luke-jr> no way to do it with code
2232 2011-04-18 18:01:52 <luke-jr> (short of reexecuting itself)
2233 2011-04-18 18:02:05 <phantomcircuit> oh god the windows code is built with visual c
2234 2011-04-18 18:02:10 * phantomcircuit runs and hides
2235 2011-04-18 18:02:39 <luke-jr> I suppose you could strip the -daemon flag (or add -nodaemon for bitcoind), re-execute, and exit
2236 2011-04-18 18:03:17 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, ps FreeConsole()
2237 2011-04-18 18:03:56 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: ooo
2238 2011-04-18 18:04:17 <phantomcircuit> yes being a h4x0r is useful sometimes
2239 2011-04-18 18:05:08 <luke-jr> ;;later tell BlueMatt might want to look into FreeConsole()
2240 2011-04-18 18:05:08 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
2241 2011-04-18 18:05:20 * luke-jr fixes the Spesmilo issue by using Popen rather than system
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2245 2011-04-18 18:12:32 <luke-jr> jgarzik: your hosting service would benefit, IMO, from having split node/wallet
2246 2011-04-18 18:12:50 <jgarzik> luke-jr: not sure I follow?
2247 2011-04-18 18:13:04 <luke-jr> jgarzik: running lots of bitcoinds will add up in memory use
2248 2011-04-18 18:13:18 <luke-jr> but in practice, they *could* share the same block/tx pool
2249 2011-04-18 18:13:25 <jgarzik> luke-jr: yep. but I have plenty of RAM, so no worries.
2250 2011-04-18 18:13:27 <rly> Why would you want that?
2251 2011-04-18 18:13:56 <jgarzik> luke-jr: I do have separate "mining nodes" and "wallet nodes" already
2252 2011-04-18 18:14:08 <jgarzik> and "monitor nodes" too, using artforz' python client
2253 2011-04-18 18:14:15 <jgarzik> half-a-node
2254 2011-04-18 18:17:44 <jgarzik> luke-jr: part of why my hosting service is better than just setting up a node and a pool server :)
2255 2011-04-18 18:19:24 <Pistonrage> hmmm.... got all the blocks downloaded... I've got a fairly new computer... and it's saying I've only got about 2500kh/s
2256 2011-04-18 18:21:10 <phantomcircuit> Pistonrage, sounds about right
2257 2011-04-18 18:21:19 <phantomcircuit> Pistonrage, CPU mining is a waste of electrons
2258 2011-04-18 18:21:54 <luke-jr> Pistonrage: CPUs are terrible at mining, just turn it off
2259 2011-04-18 18:21:59 <jgarzik> Pistonrage: you're paying much more in electricity than you are making
2260 2011-04-18 18:22:11 <luke-jr> Pistonrage: if you have a good Radeon already, you can get separate software to mine on that
2261 2011-04-18 18:22:15 <Pistonrage> yeah... according to the calculator I'm looking at getting a block in 6 years...
2262 2011-04-18 18:22:33 <luke-jr> Pistonrage: otherwise, just stick to classical currency use: convert from another currency, earn, spend
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2264 2011-04-18 18:22:52 <phantomcircuit> Pistonrage, heh
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2268 2011-04-18 18:23:36 <phantomcircuit> the list of sites that accept bitcoin could really benefit from a search box
2269 2011-04-18 18:23:52 <phantomcircuit> which iirc mediawiki does not provide for intrapage lookup
2270 2011-04-18 18:24:00 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: what browser doesn't have search builtin?
2271 2011-04-18 18:24:02 <Pistonrage> Not owning a super computer seems to be a big problem with getting into bit coin.
2272 2011-04-18 18:24:16 <luke-jr> Pistonrage: nonsense
2273 2011-04-18 18:24:27 <mtrlt> Pistonrage: you just need a $200 graphics card to get some profit
2274 2011-04-18 18:24:31 <luke-jr> Pistonrage: mining is not for laymen
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2276 2011-04-18 18:24:38 <mtrlt> ...a specific one
2277 2011-04-18 18:24:49 <Pistonrage> graphics card? now I'm confused.
2278 2011-04-18 18:24:52 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, i meant more of a structured search based on categories
2279 2011-04-18 18:25:00 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, so that browsing is easier
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2281 2011-04-18 18:25:22 <mtrlt> Pistonrage: what GPU do you have?
2282 2011-04-18 18:25:49 <luke-jr> Pistonrage: graphics cards do far better at mining than a comparable CPU
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2285 2011-04-18 18:27:02 <luke-jr> Pistonrage: but in general, just treat bitcoin like any other currency
2286 2011-04-18 18:27:28 <Pistonrage> hmmm... I've got a nvidia 8400
2287 2011-04-18 18:27:29 <luke-jr> Pistonrage: nobody's giving away Yen; you have to buy or earn it
2288 2011-04-18 18:27:35 <luke-jr> Pistonrage: ok, don't bother with mining at all then
2289 2011-04-18 18:27:38 <luke-jr> nvidia cards suck
2290 2011-04-18 18:27:45 <ArtForzZz> pretty much useless, too
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2293 2011-04-18 18:27:56 <luke-jr> Pistonrage: just buy bitcoins, or do work and get paid with them
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2295 2011-04-18 18:29:21 <ArtForz> for bitcoin mining (or anything doing GPGPU hashing really) a GTX580 is about as fast as a HD5750
2296 2011-04-18 18:30:00 <ersi> Pistonrage: It's totally worthless to 'mine' on the CPU. And unless you've got really capable GPU, forget that approach to getting any amounts of bitcoins. Sure, it's good enough to scrape together 1 BTC or something.. if you use a shared pool
2297 2011-04-18 18:30:25 <ersi> Best bet is to either buy them with legal tender cash, or trade against services
2298 2011-04-18 18:30:39 <ArtForz> yep, cpu mining is pretty much completely uninteresting nowadays
2299 2011-04-18 18:31:32 <phantomcircuit> unless you're not paying the electric bill
2300 2011-04-18 18:31:35 <phantomcircuit> LIKE A LEECH
2301 2011-04-18 18:31:37 <ArtForz> even using really efficient CPUs that would be sitting idle otherwise, break even is < $0.02/kWh
2302 2011-04-18 18:31:48 <Pistonrage> not to complain or anything, but you guys should really make things a bit clearer on the wiki page.
2303 2011-04-18 18:31:56 <ersi> It's not even worth it if the electricity is payed for by someone else
2304 2011-04-18 18:31:58 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: or paying a fixed amount for it
2305 2011-04-18 18:32:09 <phantomcircuit> yeah
2306 2011-04-18 18:32:20 <luke-jr> Pistonrage: you're welcome to edit it
2307 2011-04-18 18:32:38 <ersi> Pistonrage: It's not the easiest concepts to 'get'.
2308 2011-04-18 18:32:49 <ArtForz> I think you'd need something like half a million Core2 cores at 3GHz to match the current network ;)
2309 2011-04-18 18:33:05 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, when i was in a dorm i got a nasty visit from maintenance apparently i had been using about $200 in electricity a month
2310 2011-04-18 18:33:08 <phantomcircuit> lolol
2311 2011-04-18 18:33:22 <Pistonrage> There's nothing to 'get' when it says run this program to get bitcoin... and you may get some in a few years.
2312 2011-04-18 18:33:40 <mtrlt> Pistonrage: there is something to get if you have a decent radeon ;-)
2313 2011-04-18 18:33:52 <phantomcircuit> cpu mining should really be removed from the mainline client
2314 2011-04-18 18:33:59 <ersi> Yes, it really should.
2315 2011-04-18 18:34:02 <jgarzik> yes
2316 2011-04-18 18:34:02 <Pistonrage> which it doesn't say.
2317 2011-04-18 18:34:11 <mtrlt> yea
2318 2011-04-18 18:34:33 <ArtForz> or hidden somewhere under "advanced options, beware of the leopard"
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2320 2011-04-18 18:34:51 <luke-jr> Pistonrage: who said there's something to get?
2321 2011-04-18 18:35:04 <mtrlt> no such thing as free money :)
2322 2011-04-18 18:35:10 <ArtForz> TANSTAAFL and all that
2323 2011-04-18 18:35:25 <rly> That theorem does not apply, btw.
2324 2011-04-18 18:35:27 <Pistonrage> Yeah, I understand, trade processes for money, that was the point.
2325 2011-04-18 18:36:06 <luke-jr> Pistonrage: you missed out on the part of "no profit"
2326 2011-04-18 18:36:18 <rly> ArtForz: how many GHash/sec are you already at?
2327 2011-04-18 18:36:23 <luke-jr> Pistonrage: by nature, mining difficulty will rise to where nobody makes a significant profit doing it
2328 2011-04-18 18:36:37 <luke-jr> Pistonrage: eg, just over break-even
2329 2011-04-18 18:36:41 <ArtForz> still at 38 or so
2330 2011-04-18 18:36:50 <luke-jr> and then, only for those with efficient mining tools
2331 2011-04-18 18:36:53 <luke-jr> currently Radeons
2332 2011-04-18 18:37:17 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, your hosting is on the east coast right
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2334 2011-04-18 18:37:42 <Pistonrage> Some information like that on the introduction page or something might help.
2335 2011-04-18 18:37:48 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: presently, yes
2336 2011-04-18 18:37:54 <ArtForz> if you have capital to burn, play with FPGAs
2337 2011-04-18 18:37:56 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: I have at times had servers on other coasts.
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2339 2011-04-18 18:38:02 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: and other countries
2340 2011-04-18 18:38:09 <phantomcircuit> also i assume that (shell only) means i can only use it as a shell w/o httpd
2341 2011-04-18 18:38:37 <ArtForz> sure, price/perf makes those $1000 5970s look like a bargain, but 20Mh/J is pretty damn nice
2342 2011-04-18 18:39:30 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: the difference between shell and VPS, is mainly whether you have root access or not
2343 2011-04-18 18:39:56 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: if you buy IPv4 proxy (or dedicated IP), I can still point apache at your dir
2344 2011-04-18 18:40:25 <phantomcircuit> would you do 1:1 with USD prices?
2345 2011-04-18 18:41:07 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: sure, at the cost of long-term consistency
2346 2011-04-18 18:41:18 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: eg, if BTC crashes, I may not renew that price in a month :P
2347 2011-04-18 18:41:39 <phantomcircuit> It is unclear how you plan on promoting our offers with the website you have registered with. Please contact your Affiliate Manager immediately and explain how you plan on promoting our offers on this website in detail to dispute this denial and get approved. If you have another website you wish to promote, please let your Affiliate Manager know.
2348 2011-04-18 18:41:39 <phantomcircuit> We do not allow copyright infringing material to be promoted.
2349 2011-04-18 18:41:41 <phantomcircuit> bah
2350 2011-04-18 18:41:43 <phantomcircuit> fucking cpalead
2351 2011-04-18 18:42:00 <luke-jr> O.o?
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2353 2011-04-18 18:42:26 <phantomcircuit> in return for developing this guys site im allowed to run whatever ads i want on it
2354 2011-04-18 18:42:43 <phantomcircuit> cpalead apparently thinks im infringing his copyrights so wont let me run their ads on it
2355 2011-04-18 18:43:01 <luke-jr> O.o
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2357 2011-04-18 18:43:09 <phantomcircuit> yeah i know
2358 2011-04-18 18:43:13 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, long term bro
2359 2011-04-18 18:43:14 <phantomcircuit> long term
2360 2011-04-18 18:43:18 <ersi> Shit! It's gavin! Everyone hide!
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2362 2011-04-18 18:43:34 <ersi> I.. err..
2363 2011-04-18 18:43:35 <gavinandresen> Y'all being bad again? Don't make me give you time outs....
2364 2011-04-18 18:43:36 * ersi drags feet
2365 2011-04-18 18:43:48 <luke-jr> ersi: why are we hiding?
2366 2011-04-18 18:43:49 * ersi makes a run for it!
2367 2011-04-18 18:43:57 <ersi> Oh yeah, I don't know!
2368 2011-04-18 18:44:09 <jgarzik> Just don't mention the conversion to tonal, now that gavin is here.
2369 2011-04-18 18:44:27 * ersi nods agreeingly
2370 2011-04-18 18:44:48 <luke-jr> who is ersi? O.o
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2377 2011-04-18 18:54:48 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, heh
2378 2011-04-18 18:55:06 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit?
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2380 2011-04-18 18:55:25 <phantomcircuit> lol wrong channel
2381 2011-04-18 18:55:28 <phantomcircuit> coincidence
2382 2011-04-18 18:55:37 <phantomcircuit> l[TAB]
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2384 2011-04-18 18:56:41 <JuanDaugherty> just a comment on the statement on the wiki about "what if somebody bought all the bitcoins". The response makes a poor analogy. No one has remotely enough wealth to buy all the gold.
2385 2011-04-18 18:57:32 <ersi> Unless they force us to sell them the coins. Or do it for us.
2386 2011-04-18 18:57:56 <ersi> A wrench would probably be a very hard tool to be hit with, repeatedly
2387 2011-04-18 18:57:58 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Dan Helfman master * rf285d4f / net.cpp : Fix for #156: UPnP segfault when no valid UPnP IGDs are found. - http://bit.ly/g7kGd0
2388 2011-04-18 18:58:02 <JuanDaugherty> and if some group sufficiently capitalized decided to do so, they could within the ability of markets to clear the transactions do so.
2389 2011-04-18 18:58:28 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * r657cfe7 / net.cpp : Merge branch 'upnpfix' of https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin - http://bit.ly/hdW6PI
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2397 2011-04-18 19:06:08 <luke-jr> I don't get it. Why are my transactions all being ignored?
2398 2011-04-18 19:08:31 <sipa> gavinandresen: i don't see why the indentation is bad?
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2400 2011-04-18 19:09:09 <gavinandresen> sipa: diff at github makes it looks like there are 4 extra spaces-- is there a tab char hiding there?
2401 2011-04-18 19:09:50 <sipa> it's supposed to be indented 3 times
2402 2011-04-18 19:09:52 <gavinandresen> sipa: oops, never mind, I'm wrong, I missed the ...
2403 2011-04-18 19:10:06 <sipa> :)
2404 2011-04-18 19:10:38 <sipa> the git diff didn't show the if, i suppose?
2405 2011-04-18 19:12:36 <xelister> I donated Diablo 10 BTC
2406 2011-04-18 19:12:43 <xelister> and it takes a day to arrive. fphphphph
2407 2011-04-18 19:12:59 <xelister> although this means we have in fact a problem with slow no-fee
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2412 2011-04-18 19:21:50 <Mr512> Emaunuelle
2413 2011-04-18 19:22:08 <Mr512> Where is atlas.
2414 2011-04-18 19:22:56 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik remove-gui-gen * re93e5349cb32 bitcoind-personal/ (11 files in 8 dirs): Remove GUI's "Generate Coins" option from the menu. http://tinyurl.com/3da2b56
2415 2011-04-18 19:23:06 <luke-jr> jgarzik++
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2419 2011-04-18 19:28:34 <CodePHP> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6063.msg89036
2420 2011-04-18 19:30:17 <jaromil> Merge branch 'upnpfix' :D
2421 2011-04-18 19:30:22 <jaromil> just noticed upnp wasn't working
2422 2011-04-18 19:30:38 <jaromil> kewl
2423 2011-04-18 19:30:42 <jaromil> gonna test it
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2427 2011-04-18 19:40:24 <genjix> jgarzik: hey so is the commit fine? i just need to fix the commit history, right?
2428 2011-04-18 19:41:08 <jgarzik> genjix: neutral -- neither ACK nor NAK. Just a procedural obstacle.
2429 2011-04-18 19:41:34 <jgarzik> genjix: fixing commit history doesn't imply acceptance. closing the pull request doesn't imply rejection.
2430 2011-04-18 19:42:22 <jgarzik> genjix: a lot of commits makes review difficult, and makes the bitcoin/bitcoin.git history murky and difficult to 'git bisect'
2431 2011-04-18 19:42:44 <genjix> well the thing is this isn't the kind of feature that works half implemented
2432 2011-04-18 19:43:09 <gavinandresen> genjix: the implementation seems overly complicated to me (but I didn't read the code)
2433 2011-04-18 19:43:45 <gavinandresen> genjix: if the feature is "I want a bitcoin address for genjix@foo.org", then it seems like there must be a simpler way to accomplish that.
2434 2011-04-18 19:44:00 <jgarzik> genjix: procedurally speaking, we don't need small commits like "corrected fubared paths" or "last commit" or "corrected incorrect error message"
2435 2011-04-18 19:44:17 <jgarzik> just the final product
2436 2011-04-18 19:44:25 <gavinandresen> (e.g. https fetch from foo.org, and I just login to foo.org to register 'genjix' and associated bitcoin address)
2437 2011-04-18 19:44:25 <genjix> i thought small commits were good in git
2438 2011-04-18 19:44:40 <genjix> gavinandresen: ? that's how it works
2439 2011-04-18 19:44:42 <jgarzik> genjix: changes should be broken up into logical boundaries, yes
2440 2011-04-18 19:45:01 <jgarzik> genjix: it's not the number of commits, it's submitting (a) a set of broken code, followed by (b) a set of fixes
2441 2011-04-18 19:45:04 <jgarzik> genjix: merge (a) and (b)
2442 2011-04-18 19:45:11 <gavinandresen> genjix: don't see why you need a RPC api, then.
2443 2011-04-18 19:45:38 <genjix> there's only updatename to push a new address
2444 2011-04-18 19:45:43 <jgarzik> but yeah, I don't see a need for this feature either
2445 2011-04-18 19:45:46 <genjix> which is signed using your rsa key
2446 2011-04-18 19:45:50 <jgarzik> there are plenty of ways to OOB that data
2447 2011-04-18 19:46:59 <gavinandresen> genjix: I think I suggested bitcoind sendtoaddress $(curl https://foo.org?id=genjix) ... as the poor-man's version. I'd like to see that working before adding stuff to bitcoin.
2448 2011-04-18 19:47:03 <jgarzik> "Merge branch 'master' of git://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin" <--- Linus rants about maintainers putting this stuff into their submissions
2449 2011-04-18 19:47:38 <genjix> so i ran git rebase master on my branch... what else needs to be done?
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2451 2011-04-18 19:49:58 <jgarzik> genjix: merge bug fix commits into the main commits
2452 2011-04-18 19:50:08 <jgarzik> genjix: get rid of Merge commits
2453 2011-04-18 19:50:23 <jgarzik> genjix: create a clean, linear progression of working, logical changes
2454 2011-04-18 19:50:32 <genjix> how can i do that?
2455 2011-04-18 19:50:56 <jgarzik> genjix: I usually do it by working at the patch level
2456 2011-04-18 19:51:03 <jgarzik> genjix: git show <commit> | patch -sp1
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2458 2011-04-18 19:53:16 <jgarzik> genjix: For example, I just updated the 'remove-gui-gen' branch. That is a simple example, with just a single commit. First, I renamed the branch locally, "git branch -m remove-gui-gen remove-gui-gen-old" Then I created a new branch, and imported the commit into the current working tree: "git checkout -b remove-gui-gen master ; git diff master..remove-gui-gen-old | patch -sp1"
2459 2011-04-18 19:53:36 <jgarzik> genjix: at that point, I modified the working tree, test my fix, and "git commit -a"
2460 2011-04-18 19:53:54 <jgarzik> genjix: if you have multiple logical changes, you recreate a commit for each one
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2462 2011-04-18 19:55:25 <gavinandresen> genjix: also before pulling a major new feature I'd like to see more discussion and documentation. E.g. see the old threads for the 'accounts' API changes for an example, or jgarzik's recent 'encrypt wallet' discussion thread.
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2464 2011-04-18 19:57:01 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: as an aside, I like the term strawman patch. I [intentionally] create a lot of strawman patches, just to get discussion going.
2465 2011-04-18 19:57:54 <genjix> what happened to throwing spaghetti at a wall and seeing what sticks?
2466 2011-04-18 19:58:13 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: I like that-- I've been thinking that [patch] is "stuff I'm working on" and [pull] is "stuff that's ready for mainline."
2467 2011-04-18 19:58:15 <jgarzik> genjix: this didn't stick too well ;)
2468 2011-04-18 19:58:32 <genjix> so my patch isn't liked?
2469 2011-04-18 19:58:46 <jgarzik> genjix: with all those commits, it didn't get to a like/dislike stage
2470 2011-04-18 19:59:02 <jgarzik> the spaghetti never made it to the wall
2471 2011-04-18 19:59:16 <jgarzik> (speaking only for myself)
2472 2011-04-18 19:59:17 <jaromil> genjix: git rebase -i
2473 2011-04-18 19:59:23 <jaromil> git co -b rebasing_branch
2474 2011-04-18 19:59:32 <jaromil> git rebase -i HEAD~10 (commits ago)
2475 2011-04-18 20:00:03 <jaromil> keep the older branch in case you wanna keep the comments u made at first pass for reference
2476 2011-04-18 20:00:05 <genjix> ok because i made the earlier patch before about this
2477 2011-04-18 20:00:12 <jgarzik> jaromil: -i lets you split commits, but we want to do the reverse
2478 2011-04-18 20:00:22 <jaromil> jgarzik: no you can squash too
2479 2011-04-18 20:00:27 <jgarzik> jaromil: really? cool!
2480 2011-04-18 20:00:30 <jaromil> yep :)
2481 2011-04-18 20:00:34 <gavinandresen> yeah, rebase -i is nifty.
2482 2011-04-18 20:00:35 <jaromil> and fairly easily
2483 2011-04-18 20:00:46 <jgarzik> wow, I've been old-schoolin' it, then.
2484 2011-04-18 20:00:50 <genjix> but then expanded this one to fix the security concerns
2485 2011-04-18 20:01:02 <jaromil> after our thread i find this workflow best: code and use LOTS of commits and comments (helps myself keep track)
2486 2011-04-18 20:01:10 <jaromil> finish the pull request
2487 2011-04-18 20:01:11 <gavinandresen> genjix: more discussion of those security concerns on the forums would help, too....
2488 2011-04-18 20:01:20 <jaromil> then create another branch and rebase it to something presentable
2489 2011-04-18 20:01:21 <genjix> they arent a security concern now
2490 2011-04-18 20:01:26 <jgarzik> jaromil: yep -- perfect
2491 2011-04-18 20:01:29 <jgarzik> jaromil: you got it
2492 2011-04-18 20:01:33 <jaromil> :)
2493 2011-04-18 20:01:59 <gavinandresen> genjix: ... so discuss why they aren't a concern on the forums for those of us who weren't involved in the fixes
2494 2011-04-18 20:02:19 <jgarzik> development commits and checkpoints are quite different from commit boundaries of a properly separated patchset
2495 2011-04-18 20:02:29 <jgarzik> (as jaromil just illustrated)
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2497 2011-04-18 20:03:54 <gavinandresen> genjix: I'm guessing you fixed the security concerns by implementing your own public/private key sharing scheme between bitcoind and the server? That makes me very nervous, for example...
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2501 2011-04-18 20:05:08 * jaromil watches nerves trembling and offers gaffer tape
2502 2011-04-18 20:06:40 <jaromil> :))
2503 2011-04-18 20:07:10 <jgarzik> BTW, looking for somebody willing to build and test a GUI bitcoin[.exe] with "Generate Coins" removed: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/142
2504 2011-04-18 20:07:22 <genjix> gavinandresen: right. you login to the server and copy/paste your public key from the client
2505 2011-04-18 20:07:44 <genjix> in the future a gui client would execute a post request and then have the use log into the server in the browser windows
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2507 2011-04-18 20:08:26 <genjix> open browser with post request containing pubkey, login using google, then click ok
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2509 2011-04-18 20:08:35 <genjix> like how you update your ssh key on github
2510 2011-04-18 20:09:02 <genjix> jaromil: im not sure how to do this. want to meet up sometime and show me?
2511 2011-04-18 20:09:06 <jaromil> gosh, i don't get it
2512 2011-04-18 20:09:27 <jaromil> yes you can explain me better in person i think
2513 2011-04-18 20:09:27 <genjix> my net here is really bad
2514 2011-04-18 20:09:36 <jaromil> it makes me nervous too, what you are describing
2515 2011-04-18 20:09:43 <genjix> jaromil: i mean the git rebase
2516 2011-04-18 20:09:51 <jaromil> ah ok yes that i can do for sure
2517 2011-04-18 20:09:55 <genjix> k
2518 2011-04-18 20:10:03 <genjix> thursday then?
2519 2011-04-18 20:10:20 <jaromil> however: its easy. git co -b create_a_new_branch and jumps into it
2520 2011-04-18 20:10:28 <jaromil> git rebase -i HEAD~hash
2521 2011-04-18 20:10:40 <jaromil> you can use hash too to say "rebase all until that commit in the past"
2522 2011-04-18 20:10:42 <genjix> ic
2523 2011-04-18 20:10:57 <jaromil> then you have the text file you can move lines around
2524 2011-04-18 20:11:00 <genjix> ok where hash is my first commit or the one before it?
2525 2011-04-18 20:11:02 <jaromil> change into squash etc.
2526 2011-04-18 20:11:17 <jaromil> uh.... mmm.. try it :) i think hash is first commit :D
2527 2011-04-18 20:11:22 <genjix> is it like git add -p?
2528 2011-04-18 20:11:33 <jaromil> uh, never used it lemme see
2529 2011-04-18 20:11:48 <genjix> git add -p gives you the ability to select patches
2530 2011-04-18 20:11:53 <jaromil> i stick to a fairly limited workflow myself
2531 2011-04-18 20:12:02 <jaromil> the scheme bitcoin is adopting perfectly adheres to it
2532 2011-04-18 20:12:06 <genjix> so it shows a chunk and you can say yes stage it, no or split
2533 2011-04-18 20:12:24 <gavinandresen> I'll see y'all later.
2534 2011-04-18 20:12:37 <jaromil> bye!
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2536 2011-04-18 20:12:46 <jaromil> o/
2537 2011-04-18 20:13:10 <jaromil> thursday is fine genjix
2538 2011-04-18 20:13:18 <jaromil> i also want to talk about other things :P
2539 2011-04-18 20:13:26 <genjix> kk
2540 2011-04-18 20:14:00 <eamon> How many blocks am I likely to find in a given length of time?
2541 2011-04-18 20:14:20 <phantomcircuit> eamon, depends on how fast your hashing
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2547 2011-04-18 20:22:06 <eamon> phantomcircuit: How many blocks am I likely to find in a given length of time at a given hash speed?
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2549 2011-04-18 20:22:43 <phantomcircuit> eamon, ;;bc,calc
2550 2011-04-18 20:22:48 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,calc 4000
2551 2011-04-18 20:22:49 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 4000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 3 years, 7 weeks, 3 days, 15 hours, 44 minutes, and 30 seconds
2552 2011-04-18 20:23:06 <jgarzik> ;;bc,gen 4000
2553 2011-04-18 20:23:06 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 4000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 0.0435670652679 BTC per day and 0.00181529438616 BTC per hour.
2554 2011-04-18 20:23:35 <eamon> ty guys
2555 2011-04-18 20:23:46 <nevezen> ;;bc,gen 30000
2556 2011-04-18 20:24:00 <nevezen> ;;bc,gen 30000
2557 2011-04-18 20:24:01 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 30000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 0.326752989509 BTC per day and 0.0136147078962 BTC per hour.
2558 2011-04-18 20:24:41 <nevezen> ;;bc,gen 620000
2559 2011-04-18 20:24:41 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 620000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 6.75289511652 BTC per day and 0.281370629855 BTC per hour.
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2561 2011-04-18 20:26:18 <nevezen> ;;bc,gen 4000001
2562 2011-04-18 20:26:18 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 4000001 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 43.5670761597 BTC per day and 1.81529483999 BTC per hour.
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2570 2011-04-18 20:38:55 <jgarzik> bah. screw mysql connection caching.
2571 2011-04-18 20:39:09 <jgarzik> it is easier to connect for each request, than dealing with dead connections
2572 2011-04-18 20:39:12 <xelister> jgarzik: all software sucks, eh? :)
2573 2011-04-18 20:39:20 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, what are you trying to do?
2574 2011-04-18 20:39:26 <xelister> there really should be it-hit-jobs.com
2575 2011-04-18 20:39:29 <xelister> IT
2576 2011-04-18 20:39:45 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: long-running daemon needs constant db access
2577 2011-04-18 20:39:53 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: python, MysqlDB
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2580 2011-04-18 20:40:30 <netxshare> ;;bc,gen 120000
2581 2011-04-18 20:40:31 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 120000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 1.30701195804 BTC per day and 0.0544588315849 BTC per hour.
2582 2011-04-18 20:40:46 <netxshare> ;;bc,calc 120000
2583 2011-04-18 20:40:49 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 120000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 5 weeks, 3 days, 6 hours, 7 minutes, and 29 seconds
2584 2011-04-18 20:40:53 <eamon> - /msg gribble works too
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2586 2011-04-18 20:41:28 <netxshare> okay
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2597 2011-04-18 21:06:18 <edcba_> http://timothyblee.com/2011/04/18/the-bitcoin-bubble/
2598 2011-04-18 21:06:54 <edcba_> i love to see americans thinking that internet is full of americans :)
2599 2011-04-18 21:07:12 * luke-jr ponders if there's a simple way to announce difficulty changes in #bitcoin-watch
2600 2011-04-18 21:07:35 <sipa> "Merge branch 'master' of git://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin" <--- Linus rants about maintainers putting this stuff into their submissions <--- then what is the recommended way of dealing with incorporating patches to the master?
2601 2011-04-18 21:08:06 <sipa> 21:56:48 < jgarzik> jaromil: -i lets you split commits, but we want to do the reverse <-- you can *split* commits? :o
2602 2011-04-18 21:08:25 <luke-jr> sipa: branches being merged into mainline shouldn't have merges from mainline
2603 2011-04-18 21:08:35 <Pander> hi all, has someone already used cacti or collectd to log and monitor GPU temperatures?
2604 2011-04-18 21:08:56 <sipa> luke-jr: but if your branch cannot be merged cleanly, what do you do?
2605 2011-04-18 21:09:00 <luke-jr> sipa: if you really need mainline changes in the branch, you should rebase
2606 2011-04-18 21:09:00 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calc 265000
2607 2011-04-18 21:09:01 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 265000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 2 weeks, 3 days, 7 hours, 45 minutes, and 16 seconds
2608 2011-04-18 21:09:20 <sipa> luke-jr: right
2609 2011-04-18 21:09:27 <luke-jr> sipa: make a new branch based on mainline, and merge yours into that
2610 2011-04-18 21:09:27 <luke-jr> sipa: then replace your branch with that one
2611 2011-04-18 21:09:30 <jgarzik> sipa: the Linus rant refers to me or you pulling bitcoin/bitcoin.git, and then pushing
2612 2011-04-18 21:09:31 <luke-jr> so it's a fast-forward
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2614 2011-04-18 21:09:48 <BurtyB> Pander no, but I'm planning on it :)
2615 2011-04-18 21:09:48 <jgarzik> sipa: it refers to Merge commits in _your_ tree, not the upstream tree
2616 2011-04-18 21:10:13 <sipa> jgarzik: yes, that's what i assumed it was about
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2618 2011-04-18 21:10:47 <jgarzik> sipa: Merge commits in your own tree typically mean you were impatient and wanted to test "the latest", even if pulling those last few commits has zero relevance to your current working branch :)
2619 2011-04-18 21:11:02 <jaromil> so far i didn't understood how to avoid that stuff Linus is ranting about
2620 2011-04-18 21:11:06 <CodePHP> Anyone have a contact address for operator of blockexplorer.com ?
2621 2011-04-18 21:11:07 <jaromil> does he makes an example?
2622 2011-04-18 21:11:14 <sipa> CodePHP: theymos
2623 2011-04-18 21:11:29 <[Tycho]> edcba_, :)
2624 2011-04-18 21:11:45 <jgarzik> jaromil: The example to avoid is "commit commit commit <pull upstream> commit commit commit"
2625 2011-04-18 21:11:53 <jgarzik> jaromil: because you probably don't really need to pull upstream
2626 2011-04-18 21:12:02 <sipa> jgarzik: of course - i was referring to the case where you'd do so because you expect/know your patch to conflict with other changes done to upstream
2627 2011-04-18 21:12:19 <jaromil> jgarzik: i pull upstream so often.. :) i even have an alias for it
2628 2011-04-18 21:12:39 <jgarzik> sipa: for that case, yes, you would have a merge commit (or could simply rebase and fix it that way too)
2629 2011-04-18 21:12:48 <CodePHP> thanks sipa.
2630 2011-04-18 21:12:50 <jaromil> still, when you merge something... well yea you can change the message before pushing
2631 2011-04-18 21:12:59 <netxshare> anyone know of a domain register taking bitcoins?
2632 2011-04-18 21:13:14 <jaromil> i use pull --rebase a lot
2633 2011-04-18 21:13:18 <BurtyB> [Tycho] I had mail re using the wrong IP.. don't suppose you can tell me which one of my IPs that came from?
2634 2011-04-18 21:13:46 <jgarzik> jaromil: Linus's point is that he does not want to pull a set of commits that have a bunch of pointless Merge commits. That really clutters up the git history, for no real engineering reasons.
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2636 2011-04-18 21:14:06 <eamon> netxshare #bitcoin-discussion
2637 2011-04-18 21:14:12 <jaromil> is true, i also dislike them in the history
2638 2011-04-18 21:14:22 <jaromil> pull --rebase helps avoiding
2639 2011-04-18 21:14:30 <jgarzik> jaromil: as sipa points out, there are cases where a merge commit makes sense. Linus's point is that those cases are few and far between. :)
2640 2011-04-18 21:14:30 <netxshare> thanks
2641 2011-04-18 21:14:33 <jaromil> i just realized i was using... still sometimes it slips in such a message
2642 2011-04-18 21:15:05 <jaromil> btw i've just finished pulling and recompiling the upnp fix in debug
2643 2011-04-18 21:15:24 <jaromil> so i'll test it. not sure is same bug, but i can reproduce problems with upnp here :)
2644 2011-04-18 21:15:41 <jgarzik> jaromil: ideally, you branch and work on that branch, never rebasing [until, perhaps, you are making the final upstream push]. That is the recommended workflow for the Linux kernel. Stay at the same initial branchpoint, until (a) you push or (b) there is something upstream that conflicts with your work.
2645 2011-04-18 21:16:40 <jgarzik> The need to run on top of "bleeding edge latest" is mainly an emotional impulse
2646 2011-04-18 21:16:43 <jgarzik> not an engineering need :)
2647 2011-04-18 21:17:48 <jgarzik> This also helps motivate developers to create small changes, that may be upstreamed rapidly.
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2649 2011-04-18 21:18:16 <jgarzik> Rather than Grand Works that live on a branch for years, until The Day Of Merging arrives.
2650 2011-04-18 21:18:19 <netxshare> is there a opensource pool in php?
2651 2011-04-18 21:18:55 <sipa> git fetch upstream; git merge upstream/master; git rebase upstream/master -> this seems to do all that's necessary
2652 2011-04-18 21:18:59 <sipa> is there a shorthand?
2653 2011-04-18 21:19:02 <luke-jr> connection refused from bitcoin.org :/
2654 2011-04-18 21:19:56 <jgarzik> sipa: yep, that works
2655 2011-04-18 21:20:03 <jgarzik> sipa: Linus rants against rebasing though :)
2656 2011-04-18 21:20:38 <sipa> i generally dislike rewriting history, but i must say it's powerful
2657 2011-04-18 21:20:46 <jaromil> sipa: git pull --rebase
2658 2011-04-18 21:20:51 <jaromil> it doesn't rewrites
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2660 2011-04-18 21:21:15 <luke-jr> sipa: bazaar seems to handle that view much nicer than git, IMO
2661 2011-04-18 21:21:49 <luke-jr> problem with that, is bazaar only supports branching from HEAD for git repos
2662 2011-04-18 21:23:28 <eamon> Hello are there any developers here? I was talking to Freenode services and they say that if someone connected to the Bitcoin project submits a form, they can give you the channel #bitcoin
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2664 2011-04-18 21:24:01 <eamon> Does anyone know if a form has already been submitted?
2665 2011-04-18 21:24:03 <sipa> the problem is that #bitcoin is (still) used by some old clients
2666 2011-04-18 21:24:13 <sipa> instead of #bitcoin on lfnet
2667 2011-04-18 21:24:33 <Lachesis> it's amazing that there are still any of those running
2668 2011-04-18 21:24:46 <Lachesis> have there been network breaking changes since then?
2669 2011-04-18 21:26:28 <luke-jr> eamon: the form takes years before they do anything, anyway
2670 2011-04-18 21:26:42 <eamon> sipa: It's a bit confusing for some users becuase there is no /topic in #bitcoin
2671 2011-04-18 21:26:45 <jgarzik> eamon: yes, I submitted the form
2672 2011-04-18 21:27:01 <jgarzik> eamon: and poked freenode admins at the requested email address (as described in a freenode blog post)
2673 2011-04-18 21:27:11 <jgarzik> eamon: I am ready and willing to jump through more hoops
2674 2011-04-18 21:27:30 <luke-jr> jgarzik: good luck, I did GRFs like 5-8 years ago and heard nothing back yet
2675 2011-04-18 21:27:40 <luke-jr> although bitcoin has some websites, so that might help IIRC
2676 2011-04-18 21:27:45 <eamon> ok, thanks guys, just making sure
2677 2011-04-18 21:27:58 <luke-jr> eamon: the bot notices you when you join
2678 2011-04-18 21:28:04 <luke-jr> [17:23:21] [Notice] -gribble- Please note that the #bitcoin channel is orphaned at the moment. Join #bitcoin-dev for technical questions and development-related discussion. Join #bitcoin-discussion for everything else.
2679 2011-04-18 21:28:07 <jgarzik> eamon: well if you have a contact with freenode admin, and can get the process moving, let me know
2680 2011-04-18 21:28:17 <jgarzik> eamon: all help appreciated; things are stuck @ freenode right now
2681 2011-04-18 21:28:22 <luke-jr> Lachesis: there are basically never network-breaking changes
2682 2011-04-18 21:28:47 <luke-jr> Lachesis: such a thing would create a forked block chain
2683 2011-04-18 21:28:56 <sipa> that happened once, afaik
2684 2011-04-18 21:29:19 <ArtForz> actually, not quite
2685 2011-04-18 21:29:48 <eamon> ok jgarzik I am forwarding this to freenode staff and I'll see what their response is
2686 2011-04-18 21:30:04 <jaromil> jgarzik: has anyone tried profiling with gprof yet?
2687 2011-04-18 21:30:18 <jgarzik> jaromil: profiling... bitcoin client?
2688 2011-04-18 21:30:48 <sipa> maybe profiling things like a rescan might be useful
2689 2011-04-18 21:30:52 <jaromil> i'm getting curious, since it takes long to startup and 100% cpu, i guess its libdb checking or reconstructing after a debug session and break, but well i'd like to be sure
2690 2011-04-18 21:30:59 <jaromil> exactly, i think i'm into a rescan
2691 2011-04-18 21:30:59 <ArtForz> as long as they didnt receive output from one of the negative value tx even a very old node should still work on the current network
2692 2011-04-18 21:31:03 <jaromil> i'd like to know it for sure
2693 2011-04-18 21:31:58 <eamon> noob question: can some clients perfom hashes faster than others (on an Nvidia GPU - windows platform)? If so which is the fastest?
2694 2011-04-18 21:32:05 <jaromil> feels kinda lost. it'd be nice to know it at least from a cmdline message
2695 2011-04-18 21:32:16 <sipa> eamon: ATI Radeon HD 5xxx or 6xxx
2696 2011-04-18 21:32:33 <sipa> eamon: oh, that's not your question
2697 2011-04-18 21:32:47 <sipa> yes there are several miners (those aren't full clients, by the way)
2698 2011-04-18 21:32:50 <eamon> sipa: which program would be the best miner for an nvidia?
2699 2011-04-18 21:33:11 <sipa> others will know that better than me
2700 2011-04-18 21:33:17 <sipa> or you can ask in #bitcoin-mining
2701 2011-04-18 21:33:20 <ArtForz> no clue, iirc people say puddinpops cuda miner is still the fastest for nvidia
2702 2011-04-18 21:33:25 <jaromil> if you offer BTC for that answer you might get it faster :D
2703 2011-04-18 21:33:29 <eamon> The wiki says that someone with the GTX 460 chip is getting 68Mhash/s, I'm only getting 45 Mhash/s with the same chip
2704 2011-04-18 21:33:36 <luke-jr> eamon: nvidia is basically worthless for mining
2705 2011-04-18 21:33:38 <jaromil> i hear diablo's rox
2706 2011-04-18 21:33:44 <netxshare> I get more using moms
2707 2011-04-18 21:33:50 <sipa> diablo's is an opencl miner, aimed at ati chips
2708 2011-04-18 21:33:58 <ArtForz> opencl on nvidia generally sucks
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2710 2011-04-18 21:34:06 <netxshare> tho I seem to have problems with rpc-cuda
2711 2011-04-18 21:34:06 <Pander> BurtyB: cacti or collectd?
2712 2011-04-18 21:34:20 <BurtyB> Pander cacti
2713 2011-04-18 21:34:32 <[Noodles]> poclbm worked better for my than puddinpos cuda-client, back when i ran my GTX260
2714 2011-04-18 21:34:36 <[Noodles]> *me
2715 2011-04-18 21:34:41 <Pander> a friend of mine of is also minig is setting up something in collectd
2716 2011-04-18 21:34:47 <ArtForz> thats... weird
2717 2011-04-18 21:34:51 <Pander> i prefer cacti
2718 2011-04-18 21:34:56 <netxshare> I have my gtx570 running at 120-122mh/s
2719 2011-04-18 21:35:04 <ArtForz> maybe nvidias opencl impl magically got better
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2721 2011-04-18 21:35:09 * BurtyB currently uses cacti so it will just be "another" graph :)
2722 2011-04-18 21:35:11 <netxshare> I am trying to get cuda 4.0rc to output into ptx
2723 2011-04-18 21:35:23 <netxshare> but I am having a problem getting it dump the code
2724 2011-04-18 21:35:50 <ArtForz> wow, thats about as fast as a 5750
2725 2011-04-18 21:35:58 <Pander> BurtyB: do you have example implementation of a cacti plugin suitable for this?
2726 2011-04-18 21:36:13 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Jeff Garzik freenode-verf * r7612e72 / contrib/freenode.verf : FreeNode verification - http://bit.ly/e94lBY
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2729 2011-04-18 21:37:09 <sipa> jgarzik: wow that's hoops indeed to prove you are involved in the project
2730 2011-04-18 21:37:13 <BurtyB> Pander I was thinking of just using a script in snmpd to get the temp and then graphing it as an single snmp oid
2731 2011-04-18 21:37:36 <netxshare> my brother is upgrading his gpu to a 6950
2732 2011-04-18 21:37:54 <netxshare> that is better then having him run his gtx280
2733 2011-04-18 21:38:36 <jgarzik> sipa: still might not be enough
2734 2011-04-18 21:38:39 <Pander> BurtyB, in collectd, most plugins are C. not aproblem but snmpd scripts are easier
2735 2011-04-18 21:39:07 <Pander> BurtyB: If you get me started, I can develop the script right now
2736 2011-04-18 21:39:15 <sipa> jgarzik: as long as they don't ask to do a release of the binary with some string embedded in the about dialog :)
2737 2011-04-18 21:39:24 <jgarzik> :)
2738 2011-04-18 21:40:24 <BurtyB> Pander problem i'm having atm is aticonfig doesnt work as the snmpd user
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2740 2011-04-18 21:41:21 <nanotube> eamon: jgarzik: i've set gribble to send channel msg on join, rather than private notice. since it seems many people fail to notice the latter.
2741 2011-04-18 21:41:22 <Pander> ah
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2743 2011-04-18 21:43:00 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Pieter Wuille master * r6a76c60 / (db.h init.cpp main.cpp):
2744 2011-04-18 21:43:00 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Automatically rescan after restoring wallet.dat
2745 2011-04-18 21:43:00 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Information about the best known chain is added to wallet.dat. If this
2746 2011-04-18 21:43:00 <CIA-89> bitcoin: information does not match the data in blkindex.dat, a rescan is automatically
2747 2011-04-18 21:43:00 <CIA-89> bitcoin: performed, starting from the the last known block. When upgrading from a wallet
2748 2011-04-18 21:43:01 <CIA-89> bitcoin: which does not have this information, no rescan is done automatically. - http://bit.ly/fqFCBt
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2750 2011-04-18 21:44:14 <BurtyB> Pander I'm sure sudo will fix it but I've not looked at it yet
2751 2011-04-18 21:44:49 <Pander> I have just found snmp library for python :)
2752 2011-04-18 21:45:02 <luke-jr> What happens if the "best known chain" is entirely absent in the current best chain?
2753 2011-04-18 21:45:40 <luke-jr> sipa: ^
2754 2011-04-18 21:45:47 <gavinandresen> What do you mean 'entirely absent' ? They have to share the genesis block
2755 2011-04-18 21:46:20 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: unless the wallet.dat contains the entire history of blocks, its "best known chain" might not be part of the prevailing block chain at all
2756 2011-04-18 21:46:29 <jaromil> mmm, after this r6a76c60 i guess profiling is a very good thing to have at hand
2757 2011-04-18 21:46:40 <luke-jr> eg, if you shutdown bitcoind when its "best chain" was later orphaned
2758 2011-04-18 21:46:47 <sipa> luke-jr: it contains exponentially further away checkpoints
2759 2011-04-18 21:46:52 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: the best known chain has to start at a compiled-in genesis block.
2760 2011-04-18 21:46:54 <sipa> from the current tip
2761 2011-04-18 21:47:07 <jaromil> just just add -pg to the CXXFLAGS and run gprof on the dump left after execution
2762 2011-04-18 21:47:22 <sipa> in practice, the last 10 block hashes, and then 2 away, 4 away, 8 away, ...
2763 2011-04-18 21:47:23 <Pander> BurtB: looking at non-snmp scripts for cacti makes it a lot easier to log gpu temperature
2764 2011-04-18 21:47:32 <sipa> to find a common ancestor
2765 2011-04-18 21:47:35 <jaromil> i wish i'd have a faster computer but then not to mine, but to compile :D
2766 2011-04-18 21:47:38 <ArtForz> what? for triggering a rescan?
2767 2011-04-18 21:47:42 <luke-jr> sipa: so if the wallet's "best known chain" is absent from the present block chain, it has more less-best blocks to work from?
2768 2011-04-18 21:48:01 <sipa> ArtForz: yes
2769 2011-04-18 21:48:08 <ArtForz> just check if wallet.dat and blkindex.dat agree on "last seen best block", if they don't, obviously you *have* to -rescan
2770 2011-04-18 21:48:26 <sipa> ArtForz: that's exactly what my patch does
2771 2011-04-18 21:48:36 <ArtForz> yes, just wondering wtf luke is talking about
2772 2011-04-18 21:48:38 <sipa> however, if they don't agree, you need to know where to start the rescan
2773 2011-04-18 21:48:54 * jgarzik advertises -- we now have #bitcoin, as a general discussion channel
2774 2011-04-18 21:49:02 <jgarzik> migrating from #bitcoin-discussion
2775 2011-04-18 21:49:07 <sipa> and for that it uses a CBlockLocator, which stores some checkpoints
2776 2011-04-18 21:49:14 <ArtForz> yep
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2778 2011-04-18 21:49:41 * jaromil watching i/o
2779 2011-04-18 21:49:47 <ArtForz> of course as you don't usually copy wallets and blkindex round willy-nilly, a full rescan from genesis is still better than having to redl the chain
2780 2011-04-18 21:50:00 <jaromil> guys, someone should to write "don't use on a ssd this thing" advice :D
2781 2011-04-18 21:50:12 <luke-jr> ArtForz: his patch description claims it only rescans *starting from* the wallet's "last seen best block"
2782 2011-04-18 21:50:20 <ArtForz> jaromil: wtf are you talking about?
2783 2011-04-18 21:50:25 <jaromil> 22828 be/4 jrml 792.60 K/s 58.58 K/s 0.00 % 64.05 % ./bitcoind
2784 2011-04-18 21:50:27 <luke-jr> ArtForz: which might not even be part of the current block chain, if the backup occurred during a split
2785 2011-04-18 21:50:57 <ArtForz> oh my, a few dozen IOPS, my SSD is going to diiiie!!!1one
2786 2011-04-18 21:50:57 <sipa> luke-jr: agree, in practice it's more elaborate but better than what is claimed :)
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2788 2011-04-18 21:51:18 <luke-jr> sipa: cool
2789 2011-04-18 21:51:19 <jaromil> i guess copying the db in /dev/shm before rescan would do the trick
2790 2011-04-18 21:51:36 <sipa> (though i didn't write that, CBlockLocator already did)
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2792 2011-04-18 21:56:49 <johnlockwood> to receive coins, do you have to have the bitcoin app running at the time they are sent?
2793 2011-04-18 21:57:09 <ArtForz> nope
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2795 2011-04-18 21:57:58 <johnlockwood> it finds the transactions when you run it
2796 2011-04-18 21:58:02 <johnlockwood> ?
2797 2011-04-18 21:58:09 <sipa> yes
2798 2011-04-18 21:58:16 <sipa> it will catch up with the block chain
2799 2011-04-18 21:58:25 <sipa> and notice the transactions to your addresses then
2800 2011-04-18 21:58:35 <gavinandresen> sipa: sanity testing your "detect spends from wallet copy" patch, I'm getting different balance from getbalance versus getbalance "*" ... not sure it is your patch that is doing it, though.
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2804 2011-04-18 21:59:53 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: hey... is there an easy function to associate an existing key with an account? I'd like to dump all generation TX's into a single account.
2805 2011-04-18 22:00:02 <jgarzik> rather than ""
2806 2011-04-18 22:00:13 <gavinandresen> setaccount
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2808 2011-04-18 22:00:33 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: re: FreeConsole(), might try giving that info to jgarzik.
2809 2011-04-18 22:00:41 <sipa> gavinandresen: would surprise me if that was related to my patch
2810 2011-04-18 22:00:43 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: he asked for patches :P
2811 2011-04-18 22:01:18 <BlueMatt> and you want me to write it?...
2812 2011-04-18 22:01:19 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: hmm, but generate transactions don't give a bitcoin address in listtransactions....
2813 2011-04-18 22:01:30 <eamon> Is there any particular reason why AMD/ATi cards are so much better than NVidia cards for mining?
2814 2011-04-18 22:01:38 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: yeah...
2815 2011-04-18 22:02:07 <ArtForz> eamon: yes, several
2816 2011-04-18 22:02:10 <BlueMatt> eamon: they have a couple extra instructions which allow for much faster mining (swap or rotate or something which I dont exactly remember)
2817 2011-04-18 22:02:12 <eamon> Is CUDA badly documented or what?
2818 2011-04-18 22:02:22 <BlueMatt> among other things
2819 2011-04-18 22:02:25 <johnlockwood> if you know about google's appengine, you'll know it can communicate with http requests, is there away for it to detect payments to the bitcoin address of the site owner?
2820 2011-04-18 22:02:46 <johnlockwood> it can *only*
2821 2011-04-18 22:02:53 <ArtForz> 1. atis have about twice the ALU throughput of their "equivalent" nvidia counterparts
2822 2011-04-18 22:03:03 <sipa> johnlockwood: using monitortx it could, i believe
2823 2011-04-18 22:03:23 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: with your most recent miner, X usage is through the roof
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2825 2011-04-18 22:03:24 <ArtForz> 2. atis have native bit rotate opcode, which helps a lot for md5/sha1/sha256
2826 2011-04-18 22:03:49 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: on 2.2, 2.3?
2827 2011-04-18 22:03:52 <Diablo-D3> thats normal behavior
2828 2011-04-18 22:03:53 <ArtForz> thats about another +50%
2829 2011-04-18 22:03:54 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: nvidia
2830 2011-04-18 22:03:54 <Diablo-D3> and its not my miner
2831 2011-04-18 22:03:57 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: orly?
2832 2011-04-18 22:03:57 <johnlockwood> where can I fine out about monitortx
2833 2011-04-18 22:04:02 <Diablo-D3> wtf did nvidia do now
2834 2011-04-18 22:04:12 <BlueMatt> all I did was update your miner
2835 2011-04-18 22:04:17 <BlueMatt> no driver/etc changes
2836 2011-04-18 22:04:27 <BurtyB> Pander I graph remotely so snmp is easier
2837 2011-04-18 22:05:09 <luke-jr> eamon: nvidia doesn't like giving people docs in general, but that's less important than other factors
2838 2011-04-18 22:05:20 <ArtForz> so a 5850 ends up 2.5-3x as fast as a gtx570
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2841 2011-04-18 22:05:47 <Pander> BurtyB: I think I will use remote cacti too. I'm new to creating cacti scripts. Do you have a good example to work with?
2842 2011-04-18 22:05:48 <eamon> ArtForz: Is it possible that new versions of cuda will have naitive bit rotate op codes? Or is it a hardware thing?
2843 2011-04-18 22:05:54 <BlueMatt> eamon: hardware
2844 2011-04-18 22:06:06 <sipa> eamon: cuda isn't the problem, that's just the interface
2845 2011-04-18 22:06:33 <eamon> ArtForz: this page says that ATi is 5-10x faster: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
2846 2011-04-18 22:06:42 <ArtForz> where is it 5-10x ?
2847 2011-04-18 22:06:45 <Pander> BurtyB: Is http://pysnmp.sourceforge.net/ good?
2848 2011-04-18 22:07:06 <eamon> GTX580 119.06
2849 2011-04-18 22:07:09 <gavinandresen> johnlockwood: https://github.com/gavinandresen/bitcoin-git/tree/monitorreceived ... but I haven't merged in a while
2850 2011-04-18 22:07:17 <eamon> 6990 746
2851 2011-04-18 22:07:27 <eamon> that's like 6x faster
2852 2011-04-18 22:07:36 <BlueMatt> eamon: 6990 == 2 gpus
2853 2011-04-18 22:07:37 <ArtForz> it's also ignoring the 590
2854 2011-04-18 22:07:51 <eamon> oh right
2855 2011-04-18 22:07:55 <johnlockwood> thanks gavinandresen, you do clearcoin, right?
2856 2011-04-18 22:07:58 <sipa> gavinandresen: actually, that sounds more like something that could be caused by spentpertxout
2857 2011-04-18 22:07:59 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: strange. use git and try to roll backwards.
2858 2011-04-18 22:08:15 <gavinandresen> johnlockwood: yep, clearcoin and the faucet when I'm not busy with core bitcoin stuff
2859 2011-04-18 22:08:24 <Diablo-D3> eamon: btw, typically, AMD is only about 4-5x faster per watt than nvidia
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2861 2011-04-18 22:08:30 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: arg. ok it was a big update though (just got my mobo back on rma so havent mined in a week+)
2862 2011-04-18 22:08:34 <ArtForz> yep
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2864 2011-04-18 22:09:02 <eamon> That's a lot of x Diablo-D3
2865 2011-04-18 22:09:03 <luke-jr> ;;bc,blocks
2866 2011-04-18 22:09:03 <gribble> 119036
2867 2011-04-18 22:09:04 <BlueMatt> speaking of which anyone have a watercooled ati gpu they want to sell? my old 200 series is getting old
2868 2011-04-18 22:09:17 <Diablo-D3> well, if nvidia would impl a bitrotator, it'd only be like 1.5x
2869 2011-04-18 22:09:26 <ArtForz> actually... not quite
2870 2011-04-18 22:09:36 <Diablo-D3> actually, who am I kidding, it'd still be 4-5x :<
2871 2011-04-18 22:09:41 <Diablo-D3> nvidia sucks too much
2872 2011-04-18 22:09:57 <eamon> sorry to get offtopic, but why is nvidia competitive in gaming? Is that much different to this sort of usage?
2873 2011-04-18 22:10:04 <ArtForz> yep
2874 2011-04-18 22:10:07 <Diablo-D3> eamon: its not
2875 2011-04-18 22:10:13 <ArtForz> err... it kinda is
2876 2011-04-18 22:10:15 <Diablo-D3> eamon: nvidia PAYS for that placement in pro gaming
2877 2011-04-18 22:10:24 <Diablo-D3> AMD only has recently started doing that
2878 2011-04-18 22:10:39 <ArtForz> gaming is much more limited by memory and stuff like tex or raster units
2879 2011-04-18 22:10:45 <Diablo-D3> also, nvidia lies more and pays for false benchmarks through many popular gaming sites
2880 2011-04-18 22:10:49 <eamon> It's paying for my framerate? Is it paying game designers to make their code suck on AMD cards or what lol?
2881 2011-04-18 22:10:57 <ArtForz> well, that too
2882 2011-04-18 22:11:00 <Diablo-D3> ArtForz: yeah, but 69xx just slaughters nvidia
2883 2011-04-18 22:11:10 <ArtForz> yep, especially at high res
2884 2011-04-18 22:11:10 <Diablo-D3> eamon: yes.
2885 2011-04-18 22:11:15 <ArtForz> 590 was funny
2886 2011-04-18 22:11:21 <luke-jr> eamon: on Linux, nvidia is even more of a joke
2887 2011-04-18 22:11:34 <Diablo-D3> 69xx's crossfire impl is just sexy
2888 2011-04-18 22:11:38 <Diablo-D3> basically, unlimited scaling
2889 2011-04-18 22:11:44 <ArtForz> official nvidia slides with benchmarks vs. 6990, for TWIMTBP games... at 1280x1024
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2891 2011-04-18 22:12:12 <Diablo-D3> 4x nvidia 5xx under some games... gives you about 1.75x rendering speed
2892 2011-04-18 22:12:19 <ArtForz> aka "we were slower even with hand-picked games at higher res"
2893 2011-04-18 22:12:22 <eamon> Jesus, and I was walking around believing that nvidia had the better linux support
2894 2011-04-18 22:12:29 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: wtf library am I supposed to use to compile DMiner?
2895 2011-04-18 22:12:29 <Diablo-D3> 4x 69xx under games that are difficult for 69xx... its 3x or more.
2896 2011-04-18 22:12:33 <ArtForz> they kinda do
2897 2011-04-18 22:12:35 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: mvn
2898 2011-04-18 22:12:47 <Diablo-D3> nvidia has worse linux support
2899 2011-04-18 22:12:47 <BlueMatt> link?
2900 2011-04-18 22:12:50 <luke-jr> eamon: Intel actually wins on Linux now
2901 2011-04-18 22:12:54 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: google for maven
2902 2011-04-18 22:12:55 <ArtForz> atis linux drivers *still* are a bigger pile of crap than nvidias
2903 2011-04-18 22:12:58 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: no it doesnt
2904 2011-04-18 22:13:00 <luke-jr> eamon: with their new Sandy Bridge GPUs
2905 2011-04-18 22:13:01 <ArtForz> they both suck
2906 2011-04-18 22:13:06 <Diablo-D3> intel does NOT have drivers
2907 2011-04-18 22:13:09 <Diablo-D3> linux has drivers for intel
2908 2011-04-18 22:13:14 <Diablo-D3> and amd paid for them.
2909 2011-04-18 22:13:17 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: that's the point
2910 2011-04-18 22:13:25 <luke-jr> OS have drivers for hardware
2911 2011-04-18 22:13:27 <eamon> luke-jr: are you sure? Last I heard Snady Bridge's linux performance war woeful
2912 2011-04-18 22:13:28 <Diablo-D3> AMD is bankrolling the entire effort to have 100% foss drivers for modern cards
2913 2011-04-18 22:13:30 <luke-jr> that's what the kernel does
2914 2011-04-18 22:13:35 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: wtf? why cant you just use normal tools
2915 2011-04-18 22:13:37 <Diablo-D3> nvidia has already officially said they refuse to support gallium and new X
2916 2011-04-18 22:13:42 <luke-jr> eamon: I am sure, been using it since a week after it was released
2917 2011-04-18 22:13:43 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: uh, that IS normal.
2918 2011-04-18 22:13:52 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: every java app builds with maven
2919 2011-04-18 22:14:03 <luke-jr> eamon: Phoronix just got a dud motherboard
2920 2011-04-18 22:14:05 <Diablo-D3> nvidia drivers will cease to function within the next year or so
2921 2011-04-18 22:14:11 <Diablo-D3> X is removing legacy driver support soon
2922 2011-04-18 22:14:14 <luke-jr> eamon: read their more recent review on Intel's own motherboard
2923 2011-04-18 22:14:19 <Diablo-D3> which means nvidia drivers will _no longer work_
2924 2011-04-18 22:14:28 <jaromil> profiling looks interesting. bitcoin spends reasonable time doing reasonable tasks
2925 2011-04-18 22:14:32 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: not likely, Intel refuses to use Gallium too
2926 2011-04-18 22:14:34 * BlueMatt really needs to switch to ati, shame nvidia was actually good way back when I got this computer
2927 2011-04-18 22:14:39 <ArtForz> and AMD says "uhhh... maybe for new cards shortly after hell freezes over, hey Xorg radeon guys, kick it up a notch so every<one else isn't SOL, will ya?"
2928 2011-04-18 22:14:42 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: uh, what? Intel does not make Linux drivers.
2929 2011-04-18 22:15:01 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: Intel writes the Linux support for their GPUs
2930 2011-04-18 22:15:02 <Diablo-D3> Intel drivers are 100% written by the X/mesa/dri/drm/gallium team.
2931 2011-04-18 22:15:12 <ArtForz> errr... not quite
2932 2011-04-18 22:15:16 <Diablo-D3> all the new intel stuff is 100% galliumized.
2933 2011-04-18 22:15:16 <luke-jr> the X/mesa/dri/drm team *paid by Intel*
2934 2011-04-18 22:15:22 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: paid by AMD
2935 2011-04-18 22:15:25 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: since when?
2936 2011-04-18 22:15:30 <ArtForz> luke-jr: yep
2937 2011-04-18 22:15:32 <sipa> gavinandresen: which of both is correct?
2938 2011-04-18 22:15:34 <Diablo-D3> Intel tries to sneak code into mesa and gallium
2939 2011-04-18 22:15:39 <eamon> luke-jr: interesting,
2940 2011-04-18 22:15:41 <Diablo-D3> and it keeps getting rejected or totally rewritten
2941 2011-04-18 22:15:57 <Diablo-D3> like, intel's glsl shader compiler for gallium? it was almost completely rewritten before making it into the repo
2942 2011-04-18 22:16:21 <Diablo-D3> and thats about their biggest thing they've done
2943 2011-04-18 22:16:27 <Diablo-D3> AMD, otoh, bankrolls THE WHOLE FUCKING EFFORT
2944 2011-04-18 22:16:32 <Diablo-D3> because, honestly, they want fglrx dead
2945 2011-04-18 22:16:51 <Diablo-D3> there is no point in not having 100% foss support for the most important hardware in the machine
2946 2011-04-18 22:16:59 <luke-jr> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODE0OQ
2947 2011-04-18 22:17:09 <Diablo-D3> moronix is not a news organization
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2949 2011-04-18 22:17:47 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: if intel is so anti-gallium
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2951 2011-04-18 22:18:02 <Diablo-D3> then why did they write the gallium glsl shader compiler that got rewritten?
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2953 2011-04-18 22:18:14 <Diablo-D3> or why are they helping the debugging effort on the galliumized drivers for sandy cunt?
2954 2011-04-18 22:18:28 <Diablo-D3> also, that article IS OVER A YEAR OLD
2955 2011-04-18 22:18:39 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: most recent thing Google knows about
2956 2011-04-18 22:18:45 <Diablo-D3> I suspect Intel got their balls out of their ass in the past year
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2961 2011-04-18 22:19:54 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, they had a major change in management
2962 2011-04-18 22:20:04 <Diablo-D3> phantomcircuit: good, they needed it
2963 2011-04-18 22:22:00 <BurtyB> Pander are you wanting to monitor GPU on Linux?
2964 2011-04-18 22:22:12 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: mvn just sites around looping trying to find dependencies which it cant...
2965 2011-04-18 22:23:53 <BlueMatt> specifically trying to download a shitton of dependencies which it cant find
2966 2011-04-18 22:26:22 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: how did you install maven?
2967 2011-04-18 22:26:28 <BlueMatt> apt
2968 2011-04-18 22:26:36 <Diablo-D3> mvn package should work fine
2969 2011-04-18 22:26:42 <Diablo-D3> you're doing something wrong.
2970 2011-04-18 22:27:01 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: wait, its DOWNLOADING them?
2971 2011-04-18 22:27:04 <Diablo-D3> then YES
2972 2011-04-18 22:27:06 <Diablo-D3> it CAN find them
2973 2011-04-18 22:27:07 <Diablo-D3> noob
2974 2011-04-18 22:27:09 <BlueMatt> a bunch of [INFO] Unable to find resource ...
2975 2011-04-18 22:27:28 <Diablo-D3> when it errors out because it CANT download something, then you have a problem
2976 2011-04-18 22:27:40 <BlueMatt> it has
2977 2011-04-18 22:27:55 <BlueMatt> that would be the point of telling you
2978 2011-04-18 22:27:55 <Diablo-D3> did it stop running?
2979 2011-04-18 22:29:04 <BlueMatt> damn router, my bad
2980 2011-04-18 22:29:19 * BlueMatt really needs to get his damn router fixed
2981 2011-04-18 22:29:24 <Diablo-D3> heh, yarly
2982 2011-04-18 22:29:27 <Diablo-D3> or install openwrt on it
2983 2011-04-18 22:29:43 <BlueMatt> its a pfsense box, problem is its a beta version with a couple custom mods so...
2984 2011-04-18 22:29:49 <BlueMatt> hard to update
2985 2011-04-18 22:29:53 <Diablo-D3> ahh
2986 2011-04-18 22:30:12 <Diablo-D3> ooh, install supports libVA now
2987 2011-04-18 22:31:23 <jaromil> mmm, SHWEET to have upnp working. profiling looks good. this thing runs well. gnite, happy liberation party everyone
2988 2011-04-18 22:32:10 <lulzplzkthx> Hello.
2989 2011-04-18 22:32:13 <lulzplzkthx> What are people up to?
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2991 2011-04-18 22:38:50 <Pander> BurtyB: yep, I have already a python script processing aticonfig --odgt --adapter=all
2992 2011-04-18 22:39:33 <BurtyB> Pander k, I'm just waiting to see if the graphs are what they should be :)
2993 2011-04-18 22:40:44 <gavinandresen> sipa: sorry was away for dinner... I'm not sure which is correct, and yeah, could be a spentpertxout thing. getbalance "*" for both wallet copies agree
2994 2011-04-18 22:40:54 <Diablo-D3> heh
2995 2011-04-18 22:41:08 <gavinandresen> sipa: just-plain getbalance for the copy and original wallet disagree, and they're both different values from 'getbalance *'
2996 2011-04-18 22:41:16 <Diablo-D3> Pander: loading odgt data into a graph?
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2998 2011-04-18 22:42:25 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: sorry, was distracted. anyway, works fine before the new buffering stuffs
2999 2011-04-18 22:42:35 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: huh.
3000 2011-04-18 22:42:36 <Pander> Diablo-D3: I'm iterating over the adapter numbers and have the temp in celcius. Now I have to write the logging part in SNMP
3001 2011-04-18 22:42:45 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: its official, nvidia can suck on my gigantic dick.
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3003 2011-04-18 22:42:57 <BurtyB> Pander you don't need to tell snmpd to run a script for your OID
3004 2011-04-18 22:43:12 <BurtyB> err what I said but without the don't
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3007 2011-04-18 22:43:31 <gavinandresen> sipa: http://pastebin.com/4anxaWXs
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3012 2011-04-18 22:43:39 <Pander> BurtyB: see examples http://pysnmp.sourceforge.net/
3013 2011-04-18 22:44:00 <Pander> I can push to snmp from python
3014 2011-04-18 22:44:20 <nguyen> how do you install the amd-sdk in ubuntu?
3015 2011-04-18 22:44:22 <BurtyB> err that's probably not what you rwant
3016 2011-04-18 22:44:29 <nguyen> i did make but there wasn't an install
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3022 2011-04-18 22:45:07 <Pander> Burty: ok, what do I want? (i did not start on the snmp part yet)
3023 2011-04-18 22:45:26 <lfm> nguyen: there is instructions on the download site
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3030 2011-04-18 22:46:51 * BurtyB is using snmpd (whichever one it is that comes with ubuntu) and then in the config I'm using 'extend .1.3.6.1.4.1.36620.900.0 temp0 "/usr/bin/sudo /usr/local/bin/temp0.sh"' which returns the temp on a single line - then in cacti I'm graphing enterprises.36620.900.0.4.1.2.5.116.101.109.112.48.1
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3034 2011-04-18 22:47:49 <Pander> ok, I have that temp0.sh as python script ;)
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3037 2011-04-18 22:51:19 <lulzplzkthx> Is this a bug in bitcoin or did something weird happen to me yesterday: I had two bitcoins, and I sent the same two to the same account of mine 3 times within one block. I should have had a 2-2+2-2+2-2+2. When I checked the balance of that account with "getbalance", it said 6. Of course, a send was only able to use two, but it's now stuck saying 4.
3038 2011-04-18 22:51:25 <Pander> Python script for listing temperature per adapter: http://pastebin.com/eKqkjBVZ
3039 2011-04-18 22:51:30 <lulzplzkthx> Not exact numbers but.
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3042 2011-04-18 22:56:19 <Diablo-D3> You know
3043 2011-04-18 22:56:29 <Diablo-D3> I dont think the world understands my hate of Nvidia.
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3045 2011-04-18 22:57:48 <sipa> gavinandresen: does restarting the client fix it?
3046 2011-04-18 22:57:54 <lulzplzkthx> Diablo-D3: I'm with you. nvida sucks.
3047 2011-04-18 22:58:08 <sipa> gavinandresen: (to rule out a cache issue in GetDebit() eg.)
3048 2011-04-18 22:58:20 <gavinandresen> sipa: I'll try that...
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3050 2011-04-18 22:58:59 <Diablo-D3> I think BlueMatt is aware of it now
3051 2011-04-18 22:59:10 <BlueMatt> I knew it already
3052 2011-04-18 22:59:22 <BlueMatt> I just got an nvidia card quite a while ago when they were competitive
3053 2011-04-18 22:59:31 <BlueMatt> though my next one will probably be ati
3054 2011-04-18 22:59:36 <gavinandresen> sipa: no, same results on restart.
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3056 2011-04-18 22:59:42 * luke-jr will probably stick with Intel
3057 2011-04-18 23:00:12 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: theres no fucking reason why double buffering like that should peg cpu usage
3058 2011-04-18 23:00:17 * BlueMatt needs to get a watercooled gcard now to quit his pc anyway
3059 2011-04-18 23:00:21 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: and its doing it in X and not the miner?
3060 2011-04-18 23:00:29 <BlueMatt> yea X is getting killed
3061 2011-04-18 23:00:34 <Diablo-D3> what the fuck.
3062 2011-04-18 23:00:34 <luke-jr> so anyhow
3063 2011-04-18 23:00:38 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: does -f change it?
3064 2011-04-18 23:00:43 <BlueMatt> though that is common when pegging the gpu, the nvidia drivers suck like that
3065 2011-04-18 23:00:50 <luke-jr> any ideas why a Windows bitcoind wouldn't be showing transactions?
3066 2011-04-18 23:00:59 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: chain out of date?
3067 2011-04-18 23:01:08 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: bitcoind getinfo
3068 2011-04-18 23:01:10 <BlueMatt> typically in the nvidia drivers if you are using a ton of gpu, X eats cpu waiting around for access to the gpu
3069 2011-04-18 23:01:13 <lulzplzkthx> How many blocks?
3070 2011-04-18 23:01:14 <Diablo-D3> btw, you know xel's transaction flood?
3071 2011-04-18 23:01:21 <luke-jr> it's been going for hours
3072 2011-04-18 23:01:30 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: don't have any easy way to do that âº
3073 2011-04-18 23:01:31 <Diablo-D3> theres some that STILL havent mde it into the chain
3074 2011-04-18 23:01:47 <luke-jr> unless you know how I can find the password
3075 2011-04-18 23:01:53 <sipa> gavinandresen: though unrelated, i believe CWalletTx::GetAmounts() is wrong for "mixed" transactions
3076 2011-04-18 23:02:02 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: xel?
3077 2011-04-18 23:02:07 <nguyen> cd /
3078 2011-04-18 23:02:07 <nguyen> tar xfz $AMDAPPSDKROOT/icd-registration.tgz
3079 2011-04-18 23:02:09 <nguyen> cd /
3080 2011-04-18 23:02:09 <nguyen> tar xfz $AMDAPPSDKROOT/icd-registration.tgz
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3082 2011-04-18 23:02:13 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: a regular in here
3083 2011-04-18 23:02:13 <gavinandresen> sipa: what's a 'mixed' transaction?
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3085 2011-04-18 23:02:23 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: ?
3086 2011-04-18 23:02:27 <sipa> gavinandresen: where not all txins are from you
3087 2011-04-18 23:02:33 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: how do you know it's not listing transactions if you can't do that?
3088 2011-04-18 23:02:43 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: he sent me 10 btc in 0.01 txes
3089 2011-04-18 23:02:45 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: GUI âº
3090 2011-04-18 23:02:55 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: then it's not a bitcoind...
3091 2011-04-18 23:03:00 <sipa> gavinandresen: impossibe to obtain currently, though, but the gui code mentions the possibility
3092 2011-04-18 23:03:02 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: it is
3093 2011-04-18 23:03:06 <lulzplzkthx> ?
3094 2011-04-18 23:03:17 <lulzplzkthx> bitcoin == gui, bitcoind == headless.
3095 2011-04-18 23:03:23 <gavinandresen> sipa: ack
3096 2011-04-18 23:03:25 <luke-jr> spesmilo == gui
3097 2011-04-18 23:03:26 <lulzplzkthx> afaik
3098 2011-04-18 23:04:06 <Pander> improved python script for logging GPU temperatures, no arguments lists all, provindg adapter number, only lists temp of that GPU http://pastebin.com/3iWkK9gf
3099 2011-04-18 23:04:12 <sipa> gavinandresen: getamounts will assume all debit comes from you, as soon as GetDebit() returns > 0
3100 2011-04-18 23:04:17 <sipa> gavinandresen: but that's not the issue here
3101 2011-04-18 23:04:38 <sipa> gavinandresen: does a rescan fix it?
3102 2011-04-18 23:04:38 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: -f only somewhat changes it
3103 2011-04-18 23:04:50 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: what about -f 1?
3104 2011-04-18 23:05:00 <Diablo-D3> okay so I just hacked up a bad grap script
3105 2011-04-18 23:05:02 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: how is spesmilo setup if you don't have the user/pass?
3106 2011-04-18 23:05:07 <Diablo-D3> er, grep
3107 2011-04-18 23:05:15 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: it spawns bitcoind with a random user/pass
3108 2011-04-18 23:05:21 <Diablo-D3> theres about 500 of those transactions not in the chain yet
3109 2011-04-18 23:05:24 <lulzplzkthx> Ah. Sorry I don't know Spesmilo.
3110 2011-04-18 23:05:33 <lulzplzkthx> Spesmilo doesn't list the number of blocks?
3111 2011-04-18 23:05:37 <gavinandresen> sipa: testnet-in-a-box wallets and block chain are at: http://www.skypaint.com/bitcoin/getbalance_bug.tar.gz
3112 2011-04-18 23:05:38 <lulzplzkthx> Can you cat debug.log and find the last Check?
3113 2011-04-18 23:05:43 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: nope
3114 2011-04-18 23:05:45 <lulzplzkthx> cat debug.log | cat Check
3115 2011-04-18 23:05:45 <luke-jr> maybe
3116 2011-04-18 23:05:49 <lulzplzkthx> err
3117 2011-04-18 23:05:50 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: -f 1 == 95% Xorg cpu just from moving the mouse
3118 2011-04-18 23:05:50 <lulzplzkthx> grep*
3119 2011-04-18 23:06:34 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: again, Windows :p
3120 2011-04-18 23:06:40 <lulzplzkthx> oh.
3121 2011-04-18 23:06:50 <lulzplzkthx> then %AppData%\Bitcoin\debug.log i think
3122 2011-04-18 23:06:50 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: fffffff.
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3124 2011-04-18 23:06:59 <Diablo-D3> fucking nvidia.
3125 2011-04-18 23:07:12 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: ATi does that tooâ¦
3126 2011-04-18 23:07:15 <luke-jr> with -f 1
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3128 2011-04-18 23:07:21 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: no, theres no CPU use
3129 2011-04-18 23:07:27 <luke-jr> oh
3130 2011-04-18 23:07:30 <luke-jr> well, it is SLOW
3131 2011-04-18 23:07:33 <Diablo-D3> yes
3132 2011-04-18 23:07:36 <Diablo-D3> that it is
3133 2011-04-18 23:07:46 <Diablo-D3> btw, how do you use count with listtransactions?
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3135 2011-04-18 23:08:30 <Diablo-D3> if I do listtransactions count=10, it lists an empty array
3136 2011-04-18 23:08:42 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr:
3137 2011-04-18 23:08:47 <lulzplzkthx> Open up debug.log, scroll to bottom
3138 2011-04-18 23:08:51 <lulzplzkthx> Ctrl + F upwards for blocks=
3139 2011-04-18 23:08:55 <lulzplzkthx> My last one is: version message: version 32100, blocks=119043
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3141 2011-04-18 23:10:31 <luke-jr> hrm, spesmilo is extremely non-responsive on Windows :/
3142 2011-04-18 23:10:37 <lulzplzkthx> Eh?
3143 2011-04-18 23:11:06 <Diablo-D3> anyone?
3144 2011-04-18 23:11:12 <Diablo-D3> gavinandresen: [07:05:05] <Diablo-D3> if I do listtransactions count=10, it lists an empty array
3145 2011-04-18 23:11:55 <lulzplzkthx> Diablo-D3: listtransacctions <account> [count=10]
3146 2011-04-18 23:12:01 <gavinandresen> syntax is just listtransactions 10
3147 2011-04-18 23:12:05 <gavinandresen> count=10 is parsed as 0
3148 2011-04-18 23:12:08 <lulzplzkthx> you don't nee the count=
3149 2011-04-18 23:12:13 <lulzplzkthx> Yeah ^
3150 2011-04-18 23:12:21 <Diablo-D3> just doing 10 doesnt work
3151 2011-04-18 23:12:32 <lulzplzkthx> try
3152 2011-04-18 23:12:33 <Diablo-D3> another empty array
3153 2011-04-18 23:12:36 <lulzplzkthx> listtransactions "*" 10
3154 2011-04-18 23:12:37 <gavinandresen> listtransactions '*' 10
3155 2011-04-18 23:12:43 <Diablo-D3> ahh that works
3156 2011-04-18 23:12:43 <sipa> ;;bc,calcd 5529 0.5
3157 2011-04-18 23:12:44 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 5529 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 0.5, is 6 minutes and 28 seconds
3158 2011-04-18 23:14:11 <sipa> gavinandresen: strange, that last 40-spend is considered confirmed on one side, and not-confirmed on the other side
3159 2011-04-18 23:14:29 <luke-jr> actually, I think it's just bitcoind that's non-responsive :/
3160 2011-04-18 23:14:42 <luke-jr> IIRC when I had bitcoind on my Linux side, and Spesmilo on Windows, it was all good
3161 2011-04-18 23:14:57 <luke-jr> ;;bc,block
3162 2011-04-18 23:14:57 <gribble> Error: "bc,block" is not a valid command.
3163 2011-04-18 23:15:00 <luke-jr> ;;bc,blocks
3164 2011-04-18 23:15:00 <gribble> 119043
3165 2011-04-18 23:15:04 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: idt you need the bitcoind stuff if it's run locally
3166 2011-04-18 23:15:05 <lulzplzkthx> user / pass that is
3167 2011-04-18 23:15:08 <Diablo-D3> these transactions still are time ordered, right?
3168 2011-04-18 23:15:14 <lulzplzkthx> try a bitcoind getinfo from cmd?
3169 2011-04-18 23:15:27 <luke-jr> it has 109671 blocks
3170 2011-04-18 23:15:51 <luke-jr> and it's basically idle on the network
3171 2011-04-18 23:16:13 <lulzplzkthx> yeah it's way behind on blocks.
3172 2011-04-18 23:16:15 <lulzplzkthx> like 10,000 behind.
3173 2011-04-18 23:16:21 <lulzplzkthx> Does getinfo work?
3174 2011-04-18 23:16:22 <luke-jr> it's not downloading them either
3175 2011-04-18 23:16:25 <luke-jr> slowly
3176 2011-04-18 23:16:29 <luke-jr> it takes like 5 seconds
3177 2011-04-18 23:16:32 <lulzplzkthx> And the blocks aren't going up?
3178 2011-04-18 23:16:37 <luke-jr> very slowly
3179 2011-04-18 23:16:39 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: bitcoin.bluematt.me ;)
3180 2011-04-18 23:16:40 <lulzplzkthx> It often works slower when it's downloading blocks.
3181 2011-04-18 23:16:41 <lfm> luke-jr connections?
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3183 2011-04-18 23:16:47 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: it's connected to my VM host ;)
3184 2011-04-18 23:16:54 <BlueMatt> oh
3185 2011-04-18 23:17:01 <Diablo-D3> gavinandresen, luke-jr: okay, at 4/17/2011 at 20:21, xel sent me 10btc of 0.01 txes
3186 2011-04-18 23:17:04 <Diablo-D3> ie, 1000 tx
3187 2011-04-18 23:17:12 <Diablo-D3> only 738 have made it into the chain thus far
3188 2011-04-18 23:17:14 <Diablo-D3> lololol
3189 2011-04-18 23:17:30 <lulzplzkthx> o.o
3190 2011-04-18 23:17:39 <BlueMatt> why did you do that?
3191 2011-04-18 23:17:48 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: I vote we all iptables-block xelister
3192 2011-04-18 23:17:57 <Diablo-D3> LOL
3193 2011-04-18 23:17:58 <BlueMatt> why?
3194 2011-04-18 23:18:02 <Diablo-D3> well
3195 2011-04-18 23:18:05 <Diablo-D3> the first few blocks
3196 2011-04-18 23:18:07 <Diablo-D3> went quickly
3197 2011-04-18 23:18:39 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: anyhow, it's not downloading them fast
3198 2011-04-18 23:18:51 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: it gets like a block, then sits idle for a few mintues
3199 2011-04-18 23:18:55 <luke-jr> then gets another block
3200 2011-04-18 23:18:57 <luke-jr> then idles
3201 2011-04-18 23:19:15 <luke-jr> s/few/one
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3203 2011-04-18 23:19:32 <Diablo-D3> 138, 137, 136, 134, 131, 129, 127, 124, 123, 122, 119, 118 seem to be the bulk of confirmations
3204 2011-04-18 23:19:33 <BlueMatt> I dont know the code well enough to know how the client limits itself...anyone else?
3205 2011-04-18 23:20:36 * BlueMatt really needs to spend a good couple days just reading the code
3206 2011-04-18 23:20:51 <gavinandresen> limits itself downloading blocks? It requests 500 at a time, and the node its connected to sends them as fast as it can.
3207 2011-04-18 23:21:12 <BlueMatt> I meant limit sending blocks
3208 2011-04-18 23:21:14 <sipa> why does my testnet-in-a-box get real connections :(
3209 2011-04-18 23:21:15 <gavinandresen> Maybe luke-jr is connected to somebody being a jerk and seeing what happens if they send blocks really slowly.
3210 2011-04-18 23:21:16 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: and then waits a minute?
3211 2011-04-18 23:21:22 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: I'm connected to myself
3212 2011-04-18 23:21:50 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: also, JSON-RPC is *really* slow (localhost)
3213 2011-04-18 23:21:53 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: try adding a node or two.
3214 2011-04-18 23:21:53 <lfm> sipa use connect= on both?
3215 2011-04-18 23:21:59 <Diablo-D3> 138 = 125, 137 = 89, 128 = 129, 124 = 110, 123 = 147, 119 = 81
3216 2011-04-18 23:22:01 <gavinandresen> sipa: did you copy into a datadir with a addr.dat in it?
3217 2011-04-18 23:22:08 <sipa> gavinandresen: no
3218 2011-04-18 23:22:14 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: again, it's connected to a local IP
3219 2011-04-18 23:22:26 <luke-jr> 192.168.99.3 = VM server
3220 2011-04-18 23:22:29 <lfm> sipa are incomming enabled?
3221 2011-04-18 23:22:30 <sipa> lfm: you could do that, but at least one of them needs to listen
3222 2011-04-18 23:22:38 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: idk what to do then. something is clearly broken.
3223 2011-04-18 23:22:43 <lulzplzkthx> could be your incoming or your outgoing.
3224 2011-04-18 23:22:49 <lulzplzkthx> bitcoind on the host, bitcoind on the vm.
3225 2011-04-18 23:22:49 <gavinandresen> sipa: hmm... you're using the bitcoin.confs in the tar.gz I uploaded? They should be -noirc, so shouldn't get real nodes from IRC. Only other way on testnet is an addr.dat
3226 2011-04-18 23:23:11 <lfm> sipa ya but connect= tells em also to not try for more connects
3227 2011-04-18 23:23:16 <gavinandresen> sipa: Unless you have another -testnet bitcoind connecting that is connected to the bit -testnet
3228 2011-04-18 23:23:28 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: 8 seconds to getinfo
3229 2011-04-18 23:23:50 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: do you have a ginormous wallet or something?
3230 2011-04-18 23:23:57 <sipa> right, i had port 18333 open
3231 2011-04-18 23:24:06 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: nope, brnad new
3232 2011-04-18 23:24:09 <gavinandresen> sipa: that'll do it...
3233 2011-04-18 23:24:12 <Diablo-D3> ./bitcoind listtransactions "*" 1000 | grep confirmations | grep -v 0 | grep -E "1([0-9]{2})" | wc -l
3234 2011-04-18 23:24:12 <Diablo-D3> 692
3235 2011-04-18 23:24:21 <lfm> sipa and if there is outside world connects coming in they will still try to come in
3236 2011-04-18 23:24:29 <sipa> of course
3237 2011-04-18 23:24:32 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: very first time getinfo generates 100 keypool keypairs
3238 2011-04-18 23:24:34 <luke-jr> just tested: SFTP host->VM 5-8 MB/sec
3239 2011-04-18 23:24:34 <sipa> quite obvious
3240 2011-04-18 23:24:41 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: this is every time
3241 2011-04-18 23:25:05 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: dunno, get out the profiler and see where it is spending its time...
3242 2011-04-18 23:25:20 <Diablo-D3> so, it took him ((141 - 112) * 10) or roughly 4.8 hours
3243 2011-04-18 23:25:20 <luke-jr> what profiler?
3244 2011-04-18 23:25:23 <luke-jr> Windows has that?
3245 2011-04-18 23:25:25 <Diablo-D3> to send 692 transactions
3246 2011-04-18 23:25:47 <gavinandresen> I don't know nothing about profiling code on windows.
3247 2011-04-18 23:25:50 <Diablo-D3> gavinandresen, luke-jr: ^
3248 2011-04-18 23:26:03 <lfm> double negative
3249 2011-04-18 23:26:11 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: this problem is only on Windows
3250 2011-04-18 23:26:22 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: how do you know it's not the hsot?
3251 2011-04-18 23:26:22 <lulzplzkthx> host*
3252 2011-04-18 23:26:36 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: RPC 'help' also takes 5 seconds
3253 2011-04-18 23:26:48 <Diablo-D3> so
3254 2011-04-18 23:26:50 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: because RPC doesn't involve the host?
3255 2011-04-18 23:26:50 <Diablo-D3> SO
3256 2011-04-18 23:26:57 <Diablo-D3> out of those 738
3257 2011-04-18 23:27:06 <Diablo-D3> 692 went in the first 5 hours
3258 2011-04-18 23:27:32 <gavinandresen> Diablo-D3: you're not complaining that penny-flooded transactions are taking a long time, are you? That's by design....
3259 2011-04-18 23:27:47 <Diablo-D3> 46 made it in the next ... well, its almost been 24 hours since the start
3260 2011-04-18 23:27:56 <Diablo-D3> gavinandresen: no Im not complaining
3261 2011-04-18 23:27:58 <Diablo-D3> Im detailing
3262 2011-04-18 23:28:10 <gavinandresen> Cool, just checking.
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3264 2011-04-18 23:28:54 <Diablo-D3> so, out of 1000, 692 made it in 4 hours, and the last 308 are taking up the other 20.
3265 2011-04-18 23:29:07 <Diablo-D3> you have no clue how lol that is.
3266 2011-04-18 23:29:09 <lulzplzkthx> luke-jr: No, you aren't getting blocks. How do you know your host isn't sending the blocks?
3267 2011-04-18 23:29:18 <lulzplzkthx> You said your VM is connected only once, and to your host, yes?
3268 2011-04-18 23:29:23 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: tcpdump
3269 2011-04-18 23:29:29 <Diablo-D3> and by "other 20" I assume they'll make it
3270 2011-04-18 23:29:39 <lulzplzkthx> SO how do you know your host isn't sending 1[idle]1[idle]?
3271 2011-04-18 23:29:49 <lulzplzkthx> Instead of you only receiving 1[idle]1[idle]?
3272 2011-04-18 23:30:10 <Diablo-D3> its up to 749 now
3273 2011-04-18 23:31:07 <Diablo-D3> its now 19:26, and it started at 20:21
3274 2011-04-18 23:31:13 <Diablo-D3> I dont think its going to make it in the next hour
3275 2011-04-18 23:31:27 <luke-jr> lulzplzkthx: packet order
3276 2011-04-18 23:31:39 <luke-jr> BUT curiously, the first packet is an ACK
3277 2011-04-18 23:31:41 <Diablo-D3> gavinandresen: I wonder how much tx fee hes paying on this :D
3278 2011-04-18 23:31:53 <luke-jr> it's almost acting like the VM CPU is just slow to handle it
3279 2011-04-18 23:31:57 <luke-jr> but the CPU is idle
3280 2011-04-18 23:32:56 <lulzplzkthx> i honestly don't know anymore luke-jr, sorry.
3281 2011-04-18 23:33:05 <luke-jr> ;;bc,blocks
3282 2011-04-18 23:33:05 <gribble> 119046
3283 2011-04-18 23:33:15 <luke-jr> 111876 now
3284 2011-04-18 23:37:08 <sipa> gavinandresen: generating a block seems to fix the issue
3285 2011-04-18 23:38:24 <gavinandresen> sipa: interesting... all 4 balances are in sync after block gen? (getbalance and getbalance '*')
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3289 2011-04-18 23:42:00 <sipa> gavinandresen: yes
3290 2011-04-18 23:42:21 <sipa> so it had something to do with those unconfirmed transactions, i suppose
3291 2011-04-18 23:42:46 <sipa> but i need sleep now
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3293 2011-04-18 23:46:11 <gavinandresen> sipa: good night
3294 2011-04-18 23:47:24 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: â¦why are there even 4 independent balances? x.x
3295 2011-04-18 23:48:16 <midnightmagic> only $9 more to go before we can contemplate the first big decimal shift! :-)
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3297 2011-04-18 23:50:05 <gjs278> if these things hit $9 more then all of the people who said "gpus this late won't pay for themselves" have to collectively jump off a cliff for trying to mislead me
3298 2011-04-18 23:51:07 <luke-jr> gjs278: s/trying to/accidentally/
3299 2011-04-18 23:51:36 <luke-jr> ;;bc,blocks
3300 2011-04-18 23:51:36 <gribble> 119048
3301 2011-04-18 23:53:04 <midnightmagic> gjs278: never listen to anyone trying to tell you how something is, without doing the research to verify it, yourself.
3302 2011-04-18 23:53:53 <midnightmagic> gpus this late won't pay for themselves only if everyone switches over to asic.
3303 2011-04-18 23:55:05 <midnightmagic> i strongly doubt the strength of will of most people to switch over to asic unless someone comes up with an out-of-the-box solution. i strongly doubt the ability of most miners to even build opencl/cal-il/cuda code.
3304 2011-04-18 23:56:12 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: Radeons are ASIC
3305 2011-04-18 23:56:59 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: Those sorts of sentences end with periods.
3306 2011-04-18 23:57:07 <lianj> hrm i sneaked at backlog of this channel twice now. why is it all about the mining race anyway?
3307 2011-04-18 23:57:42 <midnightmagic> lianj: it's not. the biggest profits will be in the use of bitcoins and the production of goods and services relating to bitcoins.
3308 2011-04-18 23:58:26 <lianj> i think that too, that why i see this mining battle race as kinda silly and even counter productive
3309 2011-04-18 23:59:08 <midnightmagic> don't get me wrong: mining is incredibly important, as it ensures the backbone of the currency is strong against one of the known vulnerabilities..