1 2011-04-22 00:00:08 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
2 2011-04-22 00:00:09 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.21,"low":1.14,"vol":38995,"buy":1.201,"sell":1.204,"last":1.201}}
3 2011-04-22 00:00:24 <dotblank> wow
4 2011-04-22 00:00:36 <dotblank> 1.2$ to a btc
5 2011-04-22 00:00:52 <lulzplzkthx> Again?
6 2011-04-22 00:00:58 <lulzplzkthx> Didn't it go down to like 1.14 yesterday?
7 2011-04-22 00:01:29 <xxxxxxx> gjs278, thats a good question though how do you determine the min value, do you just keep updating the source as the market value of a btc changes?
8 2011-04-22 00:01:52 <xxxxxxx> my guess is updating the source is probably good enough
9 2011-04-22 00:02:50 <lulzplzkthx> he should use curl to grab the json from mtgox and use that in the code.
10 2011-04-22 00:02:59 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, the anti spam measures need to be worked on
11 2011-04-22 00:03:00 <lulzplzkthx> that way you wouldn't have to keep editing the code.
12 2011-04-22 00:03:11 <lulzplzkthx> gjs278: what is everyone critiquing?
13 2011-04-22 00:03:19 <gjs278> my trolling
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15 2011-04-22 00:05:15 <xxxxxxx> lulzplzkthx, i think the value will cahnge slowly enuf the min val can be changed in client upadtes
16 2011-04-22 00:05:53 <xxxxxxx> altho maybe not, would there be big issues if diff cleitn had diff min values, and some would accept blocks and some wouldnt
17 2011-04-22 00:06:44 <lfm_> thay accept them all already
18 2011-04-22 00:07:00 <xxxxxxx> lfm_, yea but what if there is an enforced min tx value
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22 2011-04-22 00:07:14 <xxxxxxx> lfm_, to get aroudn teh issue of a spammer verifying his own spam tx, to flood the blockchain
23 2011-04-22 00:07:21 <ArtForz> ?
24 2011-04-22 00:07:36 <xxxxxxx> or is that considered not likely because its too cpu intensive
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27 2011-04-22 00:07:42 <ArtForz> how would a spammer do that unless he has *massive* hashpower?
28 2011-04-22 00:07:51 <lfm_> I dont see that as an issue, how many blocks could one person create
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30 2011-04-22 00:08:03 <xxxxxxx> lfm_, its not about the blocks its about the tx right ?
31 2011-04-22 00:08:14 <xxxxxxx> if he verifies like 1GB worth of TXs or osmething
32 2011-04-22 00:08:21 <ArtForz> ?
33 2011-04-22 00:08:27 <xxxxxxx> so lets say it takes him a week before he solves a block
34 2011-04-22 00:08:36 <xxxxxxx> but can he include old TXs that other miners have ignroed cuz they were too small ?
35 2011-04-22 00:08:39 <ArtForz> max block size is 1MB
36 2011-04-22 00:08:44 <xxxxxxx> ahh ic
37 2011-04-22 00:08:55 <xxxxxxx> maybe thats what prevents it
38 2011-04-22 00:09:06 <xxxxxxx> yea i guess that solves it
39 2011-04-22 00:09:14 <xxxxxxx> crisis averted :)
40 2011-04-22 00:09:18 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, how big is a normal tx?
41 2011-04-22 00:09:24 <lfm_> so, It might take a minute to validate but still doesnt seem like a problem
42 2011-04-22 00:09:27 <ArtForz> phantomcircuit: depends
43 2011-04-22 00:09:39 <gjs278> so it could happen
44 2011-04-22 00:09:46 <gjs278> some guy could just send through .00000001 transaction
45 2011-04-22 00:09:48 <gjs278> 9000 times
46 2011-04-22 00:09:51 <gjs278> and they would all get chained on
47 2011-04-22 00:09:52 <ArtForz> last time I calced it, average was like 400something bytes
48 2011-04-22 00:10:09 <ArtForz> lern2raed?
49 2011-04-22 00:10:15 <xxxxxxx> gjs278, but if max block ssize is 1MB, no one will be able to actually veirfy them into blocks fast enuf to flood the network unless they ahve a crapload of hashing power
50 2011-04-22 00:10:19 <gjs278> nobody gives me a straight answer
51 2011-04-22 00:10:23 <phantomcircuit> eh so that's only 2500 transaction/10 minutes
52 2011-04-22 00:10:28 <gjs278> nobody has no clue
53 2011-04-22 00:10:32 <gjs278> none of you have a clue
54 2011-04-22 00:10:33 <gjs278> seriously
55 2011-04-22 00:10:37 <gjs278> if you don't know, don't spew bullshit
56 2011-04-22 00:10:52 <tcatm> phantomcircuit: 282.3399 byte
57 2011-04-22 00:10:54 <gjs278> it's a very straightforward question with like 10 different answers
58 2011-04-22 00:11:06 <ArtForz> gjs278: what question?
59 2011-04-22 00:11:09 <phantomcircuit> tcatm, still that's like like 5k/10 minutes
60 2011-04-22 00:11:09 <xxxxxxx> gjs278, are u trolling or serious? and which question
61 2011-04-22 00:11:14 <gjs278> I'm serious
62 2011-04-22 00:11:17 <dotblank> how do you have .3399 bytes?
63 2011-04-22 00:11:20 <gjs278> if I sent .00001 between two of my wallets
64 2011-04-22 00:11:24 <gjs278> millions of times
65 2011-04-22 00:11:25 <gjs278> with no fee
66 2011-04-22 00:11:31 <gjs278> will they eventually appear on blockexplorer
67 2011-04-22 00:11:34 <lfm_> gjs278: micro txn need fees
68 2011-04-22 00:11:37 <gjs278> and increase everyone's blockchan
69 2011-04-22 00:11:37 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, nobody would include them in a block
70 2011-04-22 00:11:43 <ArtForz> yes, at a rate of about 1/block
71 2011-04-22 00:11:44 <xxxxxxx> gjs278, the answer is, no miner will verify it, and old enuf unverified tx will be dropped by everyone
72 2011-04-22 00:11:51 <gjs278> ok
73 2011-04-22 00:11:57 <phantomcircuit> gjs278, so you'd have to mine your own block
74 2011-04-22 00:12:00 <gjs278> the answer of 1/block is what I'm looking for
75 2011-04-22 00:12:02 <xxxxxxx> gjs278, tahts the solution, i dunno if tahts actually how it works now
76 2011-04-22 00:12:13 <ArtForz> wait
77 2011-04-22 00:12:26 <ArtForz> 0.0001 incurs the 0.01 "too small" fee
78 2011-04-22 00:12:42 <gjs278> how is that fee determined though. does the network do it, or does everyone's individual client's do it
79 2011-04-22 00:12:47 <gjs278> the too small fee
80 2011-04-22 00:12:50 <xxxxxxx> gjs278, indivi. client
81 2011-04-22 00:13:01 <ArtForz> each client does it
82 2011-04-22 00:13:06 <OneFixt> you could technically do it with .01 a bunch of times, and mine your own 1Mb blocks, eventually bloating the block chain, no?
83 2011-04-22 00:13:09 <gjs278> okay so now here's my last question. say 20 people get together and removes their small fee
84 2011-04-22 00:13:13 <lfm_> each miner I think
85 2011-04-22 00:13:19 <gjs278> and they decide to process each others really small blocks
86 2011-04-22 00:13:19 <xxxxxxx> OneFixt, that takes too much cpu power
87 2011-04-22 00:13:25 <ArtForz> they completely ignore (and don't pass on) tx that have not enough fee to ever get into a block assuming "standard" fee rules
88 2011-04-22 00:13:32 <gjs278> will those leak their way into the people using a small fee
89 2011-04-22 00:13:33 <OneFixt> a decent gpu miner could add a few Mb per day to the chain
90 2011-04-22 00:13:35 <ArtForz> lfm_: clients too
91 2011-04-22 00:13:49 <xxxxxxx> gjs278, thats the same attack as having enuf % of the network hasing power to do other bad stuff i think
92 2011-04-22 00:13:50 <OneFixt> or a pool
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94 2011-04-22 00:14:13 <ArtForz> sure, that works
95 2011-04-22 00:14:36 <ArtForz> I have been putting my own tx into my blocks fee-less for months
96 2011-04-22 00:14:46 <gjs278> so one person could individually add 1mb to the blockchain if he maxed out a block and somehow had enough hashpower?
97 2011-04-22 00:14:53 <ArtForz> yep
98 2011-04-22 00:15:01 <xxxxxxx> gjs278, yea
99 2011-04-22 00:15:09 <OneFixt> ArtForz: has tree pruning been seriously discussed yet?
100 2011-04-22 00:15:13 <ArtForz> nope
101 2011-04-22 00:15:16 <gjs278> that's a huge amount
102 2011-04-22 00:15:18 <ArtForz> so worst case block chain grows by 144MB/day
103 2011-04-22 00:15:35 <lfm_> discussed a few times, no one is working on pruning afaik
104 2011-04-22 00:15:52 <ArtForz> how much is a 500GB HD? $50? and thats enough for... about 10 years of 144MB/day
105 2011-04-22 00:15:52 <OneFixt> how much does the bitcoin client slow down as the db grows?
106 2011-04-22 00:16:02 <gjs278> yeah
107 2011-04-22 00:16:14 <xxxxxxx> ArtForz, yea put taht on the bitcoin marketing videos tho :P
108 2011-04-22 00:16:40 <gjs278> also, could the block chain be gzipped/split by the client, or must it remain one whole file at all times
109 2011-04-22 00:16:47 <lfm_> xxxxxxx: why advertise worst cases
110 2011-04-22 00:16:59 <xxxxxxx> lfm_, was just joking :P
111 2011-04-22 00:17:22 <ArtForz> I guess the idea is to raise the block size limit as legit tx volume grows
112 2011-04-22 00:17:32 <gjs278> like it would it be possible to have a client that gzips the blockchain into split files and when it needs to update something, it only deals with that part of the split?
113 2011-04-22 00:17:45 <gjs278> that could help keep the size down a lot
114 2011-04-22 00:17:47 <OneFixt> ArtForz: does db size significantly slow down the client?
115 2011-04-22 00:17:51 <ArtForz> same way the 0.01 min limit will become a 0.001 or 0.0001 limit when bitcoin value keeps increasing
116 2011-04-22 00:17:53 <lfm_> gjs278: its conceivable the databases could be run as compressed records maybe but I doubt it would save you much
117 2011-04-22 00:17:59 <ArtForz> OneFixt: define "db size"
118 2011-04-22 00:18:02 <gjs278> let me check what it is now
119 2011-04-22 00:18:16 <OneFixt> ArtForz: the size of the database storing the transaction tree
120 2011-04-22 00:18:23 <OneFixt> in the official bitcoin client
121 2011-04-22 00:18:24 <gjs278> blk0001.dat right
122 2011-04-22 00:18:29 <ArtForz> yes
123 2011-04-22 00:18:29 <lfm_> gjs278: compressed records arnt the same as compressed files
124 2011-04-22 00:18:35 <gjs278> well
125 2011-04-22 00:18:40 <gjs278> I want to know if it would work with compressed files
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127 2011-04-22 00:18:59 <lfm_> or just a compressed file system
128 2011-04-22 00:19:01 <ArtForz> with a few billion unspent tx it'd be pretty slow I guess
129 2011-04-22 00:19:33 <gjs278> when you gzip blk0001.dat it comes down to 13mb from 120mb
130 2011-04-22 00:19:41 <gjs278> whoops
131 2011-04-22 00:19:42 <gjs278> no
132 2011-04-22 00:19:44 <gjs278> 93mb
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134 2011-04-22 00:19:46 <gjs278> yeah not that much saving
135 2011-04-22 00:19:50 <ArtForz> yeah
136 2011-04-22 00:19:52 <lfm_> seriously it doesnt seem an issue, the current DBS could still fit in ram on most of the nodes
137 2011-04-22 00:20:14 <gjs278> of course
138 2011-04-22 00:20:24 <ArtForz> well, we'll probably have to look at db scaling in the next months
139 2011-04-22 00:20:34 <gjs278> and if the worse case is 1mb a block then I'm not worried
140 2011-04-22 00:20:54 <ArtForz> same way optimizing the tx cache to not verify every input signature thrice might be a good idea
141 2011-04-22 00:21:35 <lfm_> hehe ya
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143 2011-04-22 00:22:45 <ArtForz> well, thrice + once every minute for solo miners
144 2011-04-22 00:23:43 <lfm_> would need to build dependancy trees and follow invalidation chains
145 2011-04-22 00:23:49 <ArtForz> ?
146 2011-04-22 00:24:45 <lfm_> the "valid" state changes back and forth with forks and stuff
147 2011-04-22 00:24:51 <ArtForz> errr... not really
148 2011-04-22 00:24:58 <jgarzik> ArtForz: where is 'thrice' located?
149 2011-04-22 00:25:18 <jgarzik> AcceptToMemoryPool
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151 2011-04-22 00:26:22 <lfm_> ArtForz: wouldnt which spend of a double spend change if the chain is reoged to a different fork
152 2011-04-22 00:26:36 <ArtForz> lfm_: yes, but thats easy enough to handle
153 2011-04-22 00:26:37 <lfm_> reorged
154 2011-04-22 00:27:39 <ArtForz> yep
155 2011-04-22 00:28:16 <ArtForz> jgarzik: you check out the code that validates the block and adds the transactions to blkindex
156 2011-04-22 00:28:37 <ArtForz> so we validate the tx the first time we see it (assuming we already have it's dependencies)
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158 2011-04-22 00:28:56 <ArtForz> and then... validate the same tx again when it gets into a block
159 2011-04-22 00:30:42 <ArtForz> figuring out it's the same tx is easy enough (we need hashes of tx in block for merkle tree check anyways, our tx cache is indexed by tx hash...)
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161 2011-04-22 00:33:40 <lfm_> so assume if the tx is in the db it has been validated? or does it need a valid flag on it
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163 2011-04-22 00:34:18 <ArtForz> well, with the changes I'm working on, yup
164 2011-04-22 00:35:08 <ArtForz> I'm basically working on putting a "all tx in txcache are checked for validity and only depend on other blocks in tx cache or current best chain" invariant on tx cache
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166 2011-04-22 00:35:57 <ArtForz> *other tx in txcache
167 2011-04-22 00:36:27 <ArtForz> so we only have nonorphan valid tx in cache, saves a shitload of checks in miner block building
168 2011-04-22 00:36:44 <lfm_> do do you delete "bad" chain forks from the db?
169 2011-04-22 00:36:50 <ArtForz> ?
170 2011-04-22 00:36:54 <ArtForz> I'm talking about tx cache
171 2011-04-22 00:36:59 <ArtForz> the in-memory cache
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176 2011-04-22 00:46:25 <lfm_> ArtForz: so would it also speed up the initial blocks download? I notice on slow machines there is noticable time spent on larger blocks
177 2011-04-22 00:51:17 <ArtForz> hmmm
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185 2011-04-22 01:03:52 <DukeOfURL> ArtForz: are you the person that wrote the GPU code?
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187 2011-04-22 01:04:52 <ArtForz> the cl kernel? yup.
188 2011-04-22 01:05:40 <ArtForz> well, the original one, each mioner nowadays has a different modified version
189 2011-04-22 01:05:41 <DukeOfURL> I'm wondering if the SHA hash can be run in a gate array?
190 2011-04-22 01:05:52 <ArtForz> yes
191 2011-04-22 01:06:33 <DukeOfURL> gate arrays in parallel?
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193 2011-04-22 01:07:40 <ArtForz> sure
194 2011-04-22 01:08:21 <DukeOfURL> i remember the bit-slice processors back about 1980. pipeline.
195 2011-04-22 01:08:54 <DukeOfURL> :-)
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208 2011-04-22 01:25:22 <d2rkc0r3> ;;bc,mtgox
209 2011-04-22 01:25:22 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.21,"low":1.14,"vol":39353,"buy":1.191,"sell":1.199,"last":1.195}}
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215 2011-04-22 01:34:02 <afed> any idea how many nodes are on the bitcoin network?
216 2011-04-22 01:34:41 <lfm_> it varies
217 2011-04-22 01:34:53 <afed> 10,000?
218 2011-04-22 01:34:55 <afed> 100,000?
219 2011-04-22 01:35:11 <manveru> sometimes
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221 2011-04-22 01:35:50 <lfm_> no one can tell exactly but you can get a rough idea from the population of the irc channel the net uses
222 2011-04-22 01:36:29 <afed> that makes sense
223 2011-04-22 01:43:11 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r7a8725b724f4 spesmilo/ (ipc.py main.py send.py): When using an internal core, send URIs over IPC if possible (since we can't access internal bitcoind) http://tinyurl.com/3h2jzlq
224 2011-04-22 01:43:13 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * rac81e7efcd9a spesmilo/build_win32_dist.py: rename main.exe from py2exe to spesmilo.exe so it looks nicer http://tinyurl.com/4xvkqst
225 2011-04-22 01:43:18 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * rdbb07b563587 spesmilo/settings.py: Use bitcoin32.png as fallback, not .xpm (which we don't install...) http://tinyurl.com/3vnbrwb
226 2011-04-22 01:43:19 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * rcf943ac7c71f spesmilo/ (Makefile build_win32_dist.py spesmilo.nsis): Initial import of NSIS install builder script, and tweaks for it http://tinyurl.com/3l2b3oa
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228 2011-04-22 01:47:47 <lfm_> currently 3202 users on the irc channel.
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232 2011-04-22 01:53:08 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r875d0781c2c8 spesmilo/ (cashier.py main.py send.py spesmilo.nsis): remove WebKit imports that go unused http://tinyurl.com/3gtzzh5
233 2011-04-22 01:53:09 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r9587fe12e6d0 spesmilo/spesmilo.nsis: Bugfix: set $INSTDIR to working directory for Windows shortcuts http://tinyurl.com/3whuk8s
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235 2011-04-22 02:03:08 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * rbc3a68886254 spesmilo/settings.py: Bugfix: provide tr function for _NotFancyURLopener authentication error http://tinyurl.com/44eqvha
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239 2011-04-22 02:15:09 <afed> who among you have used mtgox direct deposit
240 2011-04-22 02:15:17 <d2rkc0r3> Irssi: #bitcoin: Total of 3205 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 3205 normal]
241 2011-04-22 02:15:17 <afed> do you trust these guys with your banking infos?
242 2011-04-22 02:15:20 <d2rkc0r3> Oh wow
243 2011-04-22 02:16:24 <lulzplzkthx> o.o d2rkc0r3
244 2011-04-22 02:16:28 <lulzplzkthx> nobody uses that channel though
245 2011-04-22 02:16:32 <lulzplzkthx> as far as i've seen it's all idles.
246 2011-04-22 02:16:39 <lulzplzkthx> err, or is that the one for nodes to connect to?
247 2011-04-22 02:18:02 <jgarzik> lulzplzkthx: #bitcoin was reclaimed days ago
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250 2011-04-22 02:20:36 <d2rkc0r3> jgarzik: the server seems to be buckling under all those clients. Clients connect and are immediately disconnected because their sendq is too high. Some make it though...
251 2011-04-22 02:21:02 <jgarzik> d2rkc0r3: oh, you're talking about the IRC server used for seeding?
252 2011-04-22 02:21:11 <jgarzik> d2rkc0r3: that's why we added dns seeding
253 2011-04-22 02:21:44 <d2rkc0r3> Can you explain how that works?
254 2011-04-22 02:21:51 <d2rkc0r3> or give me a resource
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256 2011-04-22 02:24:16 <sacarlson> afed: so far I only have 1 btc in mtgox to test it but I was thinking about puting $1000 in there to take the next step
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260 2011-04-22 02:24:33 <afed> sacarlson: i was thinkg about using it to withdraw
261 2011-04-22 02:24:43 <afed> sacarlson: instead of liberty reserve
262 2011-04-22 02:24:45 <jgarzik> d2rkc0r3: 0.3.21 release candidate, -dnsseed obtains network addresses via DNS, rather than IRC
263 2011-04-22 02:24:54 <jgarzik> d2rkc0r3: IRC seeding is optional
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265 2011-04-22 02:26:13 <sacarlson> afed: well I thought liberty reserve was just one way to get money in and I guess out into $usd to get into btc into your local computer I guess it would go through mtgox
266 2011-04-22 02:26:34 <afed> you aren't making any sense
267 2011-04-22 02:27:16 <sacarlson> afed: are thinking liberty reserve can transfer to btc direct?
268 2011-04-22 02:27:30 <afed> never mind
269 2011-04-22 02:30:18 <sacarlson> in ubuntu 10.04 I'm getting ImportError: No module named jsonrpc in spesmilo, what package would this be in ubuntu?
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271 2011-04-22 02:30:44 <sacarlson> would this be it python-transmissionrpc ?
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275 2011-04-22 02:33:11 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r77addc4af40a spesmilo/settings.py: Bugfix: provide tr function for _NotFancyURLopener authentication error http://tinyurl.com/3st7vrd
276 2011-04-22 02:33:12 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r929309a2f89a spesmilo/ipc.py: Bugfix: if Win32 platform, prepend IPC address with \\ to get a named pipe http://tinyurl.com/3ccj6uo
277 2011-04-22 02:33:13 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r87ecaee1bd1a spesmilo/main.py: Bugfix: yay, a new kind of "connection refused" error :/ http://tinyurl.com/3kfkxjt
278 2011-04-22 02:33:15 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r831d97037f96 spesmilo/settings.py: Bugfix: Hide missing language files from combobox in settings http://tinyurl.com/4254lmg
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280 2011-04-22 02:43:06 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r13a7138b90cd spesmilo/spesmilo.nsis: 0.0.1.beta1 http://tinyurl.com/4y85byc
281 2011-04-22 02:47:14 <luke-jr> https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6273.msg91947#msg91947
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285 2011-04-22 02:50:11 <tcatm> luke-jr: import anynumber
286 2011-04-22 02:50:28 <tcatm> mhm wrong line. but it's missing that lib
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289 2011-04-22 02:51:37 <luke-jr> tcatm: did you make local?
290 2011-04-22 02:52:11 <tcatm> nope. a makefile for a python script?
291 2011-04-22 02:52:17 <luke-jr> yes, you need to compile it too :p
292 2011-04-22 02:52:21 <luke-jr> make local && make && ./spesmilo
293 2011-04-22 02:52:41 <tcatm> make: lrelease: not found
294 2011-04-22 02:52:58 <luke-jr> guess I should list the dependenciesâ¦
295 2011-04-22 02:53:30 <tcatm> better use a setup.py like every other python program
296 2011-04-22 02:53:51 <luke-jr> tcatm: that one is part of PySide
297 2011-04-22 02:53:56 <luke-jr> you need ImageMagick too
298 2011-04-22 02:54:12 <tcatm> imagemagick? what for?
299 2011-04-22 02:54:24 <sacarlson> I think I found this for spesmilo that might be what I need svn checkout http://svn.json-rpc.org/trunk/python-jsonrpc
300 2011-04-22 02:54:27 <luke-jr> to convert the source .xpm and .svg to .png
301 2011-04-22 02:54:50 <luke-jr> sacarlson: 'make local' will get all the pure-Python dependencies
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303 2011-04-22 02:55:39 <sacarlson> luke-jr cd cd ~/spesmilo ; make local ?
304 2011-04-22 02:55:48 <tcatm> so where do I get lrelease?
305 2011-04-22 02:55:58 <luke-jr> tcatm: PySide
306 2011-04-22 02:56:19 <sacarlson> tcatm: I got pyside form ppa
307 2011-04-22 02:56:44 <luke-jr> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:pyside && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install python-pyside
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309 2011-04-22 02:56:50 <luke-jr> according to some instructions genjix put in
310 2011-04-22 02:56:59 <tcatm> luke-jr: done that. still no lrelease
311 2011-04-22 02:57:03 <luke-jr> O.o
312 2011-04-22 02:57:13 <tcatm> libpyside-dev seems to install it
313 2011-04-22 02:57:16 <luke-jr> ah
314 2011-04-22 02:57:42 <tcatm> ./spesmilo \n AttributeError: 'PySide.QtGui.QApplication' object has no attribute 'setFont'
315 2011-04-22 02:58:01 <luke-jr> x.x
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317 2011-04-22 02:58:15 <luke-jr> what version of PySide
318 2011-04-22 02:58:16 sgornick has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
319 2011-04-22 02:58:23 <luke-jr> I'm using 1.0.0
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321 2011-04-22 02:58:42 <tcatm> Version: 0.4.1-0ubuntu1
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324 2011-04-22 02:59:33 <sacarlson> from make local; PROPFIND of '/trunk/python-jsonrpc/jsonrpc': Could not read status line: connection was closed by server (http://svn.json-rpc.org)
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328 2011-04-22 02:59:48 <luke-jr> sacarlson: try again? O.o
329 2011-04-22 02:59:50 <luke-jr> I just tested it
330 2011-04-22 02:59:56 <luke-jr> brb
331 2011-04-22 02:59:56 <sacarlson> ok
332 2011-04-22 03:00:00 <tcatm> after removing tonal support: RuntimeError: Internal C++ object already deleted.
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334 2011-04-22 03:02:55 <sacarlson> luke-jr: seems the site works but tried ; make local 20 more times same error
335 2011-04-22 03:04:06 * tcatm tries the windows binary
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339 2011-04-22 03:07:24 <tcatm> luke-jr: windows installer doesn't work on win7: Error opening file for writing: c:\Progam Files (x86)\Spesmilo\spesmilo.exe
340 2011-04-22 03:09:40 <luke-jr> tcatm: you really should learn to read instructions -.-
341 2011-04-22 03:09:50 <luke-jr> in this case, the bit about it only installing as Administrator
342 2011-04-22 03:10:02 <luke-jr> since apparently normal users can't write to Program Files
343 2011-04-22 03:14:38 <tcatm> seems to work now
344 2011-04-22 03:15:01 <luke-jr> XD
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346 2011-04-22 03:15:53 <sacarlson> I checked whe json-rpc.org site and used there method and get the same error so seems the svn server is down or doesn't like thailand
347 2011-04-22 03:16:15 <tcatm> luke-jr: initial connecting is very slow
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349 2011-04-22 03:16:49 <sacarlson> I've had problems with svn servers before not sure why
350 2011-04-22 03:17:05 <witten> luke-jr: have you got any screenshots of spesmilo?
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352 2011-04-22 03:18:24 <tcatm> luke-jr: what's 50.00006.00 BTC?
353 2011-04-22 03:19:30 <tcatm> http://i.imgur.com/WhQcb.jpg
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355 2011-04-22 03:22:25 <davex__> tcatm, has there been any discussion on http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1960.html wrt mtgox?
356 2011-04-22 03:23:11 <davex__> wondered if it applies, guess they used that to shut down egold
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358 2011-04-22 03:24:48 <tcatm> davex__: IIRC that's what the $1000/day limit is for
359 2011-04-22 03:25:13 <davex__> oh, didn't know about that.
360 2011-04-22 03:25:43 <tcatm> and mtgox is outside US jurisdiction anyway
361 2011-04-22 03:26:06 <davex__> ah
362 2011-04-22 03:28:31 <sgornick> tcatm: Server is in KC or somewhere.
363 2011-04-22 03:28:55 <tcatm> yep but mt is not
364 2011-04-22 03:29:09 <sgornick> I'ld wonder if a bitcoin wallet holding a significant number of bitcoins is in KC as well.
365 2011-04-22 03:30:43 <sgornick> I wonder the same thing about ClearCoin's VMs on Amazon EC2.
366 2011-04-22 03:31:40 <tcatm> they hopefully have backups
367 2011-04-22 03:31:57 <witten> it would be cool if namecoin or one of the bitdns proposals included a distributed namespace for mapping emails / user identities to bitcoin addresses
368 2011-04-22 03:32:22 <witten> so you could send coins to foo@example.com without having to hit a web server or to do the lookup like some of the proposals on the forums
369 2011-04-22 03:32:34 <sgornick> backups don't help protect if the siezed wallet gets spent / transferred out first.
370 2011-04-22 03:32:55 <tcatm> true
371 2011-04-22 03:33:58 <noagendamarket> witten an open id block chain
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374 2011-04-22 03:34:25 <noagendamarket> your identity is tied to a private public key
375 2011-04-22 03:34:48 <witten> noagendamarket: open id, email address, whatever
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377 2011-04-22 03:35:09 <witten> noagendamarket: some identifying string where people can send (non-anonymous) coins
378 2011-04-22 03:35:55 <witten> I know there was some discussion here a few days ago regarding whether it's a good idea to use a separate block chain for things like this
379 2011-04-22 03:36:36 <noagendamarket> the idea would be to mine all the block chains at the same time
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382 2011-04-22 03:40:50 <luke-jr> witten: the wiki has some
383 2011-04-22 03:40:53 <luke-jr> tcatm: fees?
384 2011-04-22 03:41:13 <tcatm> luke-jr: probably. still a strange way to format a decimal
385 2011-04-22 03:41:24 <luke-jr> oh wait
386 2011-04-22 03:41:27 <luke-jr> wtf O.o
387 2011-04-22 03:43:28 * luke-jr doesn't get enough of those amounts to test that I guess
388 2011-04-22 03:43:47 <luke-jr> it's supposed to be adding a '0' or '.00' to deci-precise amounts and integers
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390 2011-04-22 03:45:06 <luke-jr> tcatm: is that still Windows, or did you get the source working?
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392 2011-04-22 03:45:37 <sacarlson> witten: well with a new block chain you no longer need to follow the rules so anything is posible
393 2011-04-22 03:45:48 <tcatm> luke-jr: win7
394 2011-04-22 03:45:55 <witten> sacarlson: true
395 2011-04-22 03:46:04 <luke-jr> k, I'll just have to assume my own testing suffices I guess XD
396 2011-04-22 03:46:09 <witten> sacarlson: does it mean you need multiple currencies though?
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398 2011-04-22 03:46:29 <sacarlson> witten: yes I would think so
399 2011-04-22 03:46:52 <luke-jr> tcatm: thanks for the bug report
400 2011-04-22 03:47:03 <witten> sacarlson: seems like it would be annoying to have a separate currency for each block chain
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402 2011-04-22 03:48:25 <sacarlson> witten: well in a future release of bitcoin currency could posibly add a custom space to be used to add user info but that would have to be agreed apon at some point
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405 2011-04-22 03:48:44 <witten> sacarlson: right
406 2011-04-22 03:49:35 <sacarlson> witten: how much space do you want? how about 100 bytes?
407 2011-04-22 03:49:50 <witten> sacarlson: sure
408 2011-04-22 03:50:25 <sacarlson> witten: maybe an even 255 or 256 bytes for text or more likely xml data
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411 2011-04-22 03:52:06 <sacarlson> witten: we could write a test chain and see if it works and then see if it would be accepted in the next release, or would that add some traceability that some would not like?
412 2011-04-22 03:53:11 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r3b7160b50b62 spesmilo/settings.py: Bugfix: Don't append <0.01 precisions with an extra .00 http://tinyurl.com/3oyr3sk
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415 2011-04-22 03:56:28 <Androgynous> hello
416 2011-04-22 03:57:16 <luke-jr> tcatm: want some TBC for the bug report? :P
417 2011-04-22 03:57:21 <witten> sacarlson: yeah
418 2011-04-22 03:57:38 <tcatm> luke-jr: 1PWXvYX5eHmeb4dP5UXkFm4M9ikF24ekzC
419 2011-04-22 03:57:52 <witten> sacarlson: I guess I should read up on what's been so far
420 2011-04-22 03:59:00 <Androgynous> so many people online, though I know it doesn't mean they're "here"
421 2011-04-22 03:59:01 <Androgynous> :3
422 2011-04-22 04:00:05 <luke-jr> hmm
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424 2011-04-22 04:00:23 <Androgynous> I'm new, incase it isn't obviously obvious
425 2011-04-22 04:00:32 <luke-jr> jgarzik: interested in a xf2.org branded Spesmilo to connect to your wallet hosting? ;)
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434 2011-04-22 04:18:13 <Androgynous> anyone interested in humoring a newbie?
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440 2011-04-22 04:36:39 <dirtyfilthy> Androgynous: hi
441 2011-04-22 04:36:44 <Androgynous> hey
442 2011-04-22 04:37:03 <jgarzik> luke-jr: :)
443 2011-04-22 04:37:04 <dirtyfilthy> i'll try to help if i can
444 2011-04-22 04:37:09 <jgarzik> luke-jr: you never know...
445 2011-04-22 04:37:38 <Androgynous> I was wondering if mining was anonymous w/o tor
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447 2011-04-22 04:39:16 <Androgynous> dirtyfilthy
448 2011-04-22 04:39:19 <sacarlson> I tried to get jsonrpc on another box with ubuntu 10.10 with the same problem stuck at svn, I see the files on the web site so i'm going to try wget -r http://json-rpc.org/browser/trunk/python-jsonrpc to see if I can get what I need
449 2011-04-22 04:39:38 <dirtyfilthy> well it depends on if you were actively being monitored i guess
450 2011-04-22 04:39:39 <doublec> Androgynous: mining is anonymous in that you get 50 fresh anonymous coins when you find a block
451 2011-04-22 04:40:15 <doublec> Androgynous: but depending on what you do with them, you may be identified if someone was researching your transactions
452 2011-04-22 04:40:35 <Androgynous> i see, i read in how transactions can be used to identify
453 2011-04-22 04:40:47 <Androgynous> about how*
454 2011-04-22 04:40:57 <lfm_> Androgynous: ya it pretty much is. It snot totally anonymous tho. I very rich enemy could try to find you by putting lots of node to work mapping the spread of new blocks
455 2011-04-22 04:41:15 <Androgynous> but the actual creation of a specific block isn't logged publcly?
456 2011-04-22 04:41:39 <Androgynous> only transactions?
457 2011-04-22 04:42:11 <dirtyfilthy> the new block is logged, it could be you created it or could be you are rebroadcasting it's creation though
458 2011-04-22 04:42:23 <lfm_> every new block is logged by every node but there is no identifying info in the blopck really
459 2011-04-22 04:42:53 <Androgynous> what about the address the 50 BTC are sent to?
460 2011-04-22 04:43:15 <Androgynous> or whatever the share may be
461 2011-04-22 04:43:16 <lfm_> the 50 byc reward might be traced back to you by when and how you spend them also
462 2011-04-22 04:43:36 <Androgynous> so as long as I don't spend them
463 2011-04-22 04:43:44 <Androgynous> no address can be connected to the block?
464 2011-04-22 04:43:50 <doublec> Androgynous: the 50 btc are created in a new address
465 2011-04-22 04:43:56 <doublec> Androgynous: not traced to any other address
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467 2011-04-22 04:44:01 <Androgynous> oooh
468 2011-04-22 04:44:06 <doublec> Androgynous: there is no identifying information with them
469 2011-04-22 04:44:07 <lfm_> no ip address is connected to any blocks
470 2011-04-22 04:44:12 <Androgynous> doublec: thank you
471 2011-04-22 04:44:18 <Androgynous> i'm not talking about ip address
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475 2011-04-22 04:44:28 <Androgynous> i'm reffering to the public address
476 2011-04-22 04:44:30 <Androgynous> or key
477 2011-04-22 04:44:32 <Androgynous> my mistake
478 2011-04-22 04:44:39 <doublec> this is one of the nice things about freshly minted coins
479 2011-04-22 04:44:51 <lfm_> ok the 50 btc reward is allocated to a NEW bitcoin address unique for that block
480 2011-04-22 04:45:19 <Androgynous> and the key/address is logged with the creation of the block?
481 2011-04-22 04:45:20 <Androgynous> or not?
482 2011-04-22 04:45:35 <lfm_> yes its logged
483 2011-04-22 04:45:59 <Androgynous> i see
484 2011-04-22 04:46:00 <jgarzik> Androgynous: it's in the block's first txout: http://blockexplorer.com/tx/3cef99a5e162d560d65a102a9362e177d3c4739105eac52dd06b9bb0ba14950a
485 2011-04-22 04:46:05 <lfm_> you might want to look at
486 2011-04-22 04:46:28 <Androgynous> ah i see
487 2011-04-22 04:46:29 <jgarzik> Androgynous: just like any other transaction, you need a destination for the money
488 2011-04-22 04:46:37 <lfm_> http://blockexplorer.com/
489 2011-04-22 04:46:52 <doublec> Androgynous: and here's an example of a block: http://blockexplorer.com/b/119531
490 2011-04-22 04:46:55 <Androgynous> but since it is a fresh address, it isn't connected to any other addresses
491 2011-04-22 04:47:04 <jgarzik> Androgynous: correct
492 2011-04-22 04:47:06 <doublec> Androgynous: note the first transaction which says 50+0.1 generation and the address it went to
493 2011-04-22 04:47:15 <lfm_> untill you move or spend
494 2011-04-22 04:47:15 <jgarzik> Androgynous: though it is theoretically possible to put any address in there
495 2011-04-22 04:47:16 <doublec> Androgynous: which is a new fresh address
496 2011-04-22 04:47:17 <lfm_> it
497 2011-04-22 04:47:41 <doublec> jgarzik: good point. that's what puddinpop's original mining pool did
498 2011-04-22 04:47:42 <dreamer_> MagicalTux : Morpheus come through of course, add a +1 to Morpheus being a decent and honest person, and disregard my earlier.. character assassination :)
499 2011-04-22 04:47:45 <Androgynous> I suppose that is the most anonymous form of savings
500 2011-04-22 04:48:43 <Androgynous> thank you all <3
501 2011-04-22 04:48:52 <Androgynous> i'd send BTC
502 2011-04-22 04:49:08 <Androgynous> if i had enough
503 2011-04-22 04:49:11 <Androgynous> so instead
504 2011-04-22 04:49:19 <Androgynous> i'll give you all 1 Internet =D
505 2011-04-22 04:49:32 <doublec> Androgynous: do you have any BTC?
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507 2011-04-22 04:49:41 <Androgynous> .05
508 2011-04-22 04:49:44 <Androgynous> Faucet
509 2011-04-22 04:49:50 <doublec> cool, was going to mention the faucet
510 2011-04-22 04:50:27 <doublec> Androgynous: paste an address and I'll send some for asking interesting questions :)
511 2011-04-22 04:51:58 <noagendamarket> Androgynous http://free.witcoin.com
512 2011-04-22 04:52:07 <Androgynous> 12sQvkZ2mo3z4NBJMts1EpPSoKiZq1HPYG
513 2011-04-22 04:52:41 <doublec> Androgynous: sent
514 2011-04-22 04:52:48 <noagendamarket> ask as many interesting questions as you like :)-
515 2011-04-22 04:53:08 <Androgynous> doublec: thank you <3
516 2011-04-22 04:53:16 <doublec> np
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518 2011-04-22 05:00:40 <Androgynous> is a new receiving address created everytime I no longer have a clean one?
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520 2011-04-22 05:01:11 <lfm_> what you mean clean one?
521 2011-04-22 05:01:33 <Androgynous> one w/o logs
522 2011-04-22 05:01:52 <Androgynous> there are 3 receiving addresses i have
523 2011-04-22 05:01:59 <nanotube> Androgynous: generally, new address is created every time you send something. iirc.
524 2011-04-22 05:02:07 <nanotube> (also possibly when you receive... i don't recall.
525 2011-04-22 05:02:09 <nanotube> )
526 2011-04-22 05:02:16 <nanotube> over time... your addressbook just grows.
527 2011-04-22 05:02:21 <lfm_> theres actually 100 "clean" addresses kept ready in your wallet all the time
528 2011-04-22 05:02:34 <Androgynous> i only need to normally view one clean on at a time though?
529 2011-04-22 05:02:39 <Androgynous> one*
530 2011-04-22 05:02:47 <lfm_> ya
531 2011-04-22 05:03:39 <Androgynous> hmm
532 2011-04-22 05:03:44 <todd_> what do you mean by a clean address?
533 2011-04-22 05:03:55 <Androgynous> i was reffering to ones w/ no history
534 2011-04-22 05:04:09 <lfm_> sometimes you want to give out a number of addresses before they receive anything, thats what the "new" button is for
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536 2011-04-22 05:05:28 <Androgynous> lfm_+: ah, it seems to have the clean one pop up in the box automatically
537 2011-04-22 05:06:04 <lfm_> ya when ever you receive a txn on that default address, it will change to the next one
538 2011-04-22 05:06:10 <Androgynous> cool
539 2011-04-22 05:06:51 <Androgynous> the address book has "send" and "receive" addresses
540 2011-04-22 05:06:58 <Androgynous> can one be used for both?
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542 2011-04-22 05:07:20 <nanotube> Androgynous: no. the 'send' addresses are other people's addresses that you've sent to in the past.
543 2011-04-22 05:07:25 <nanotube> never mix them up!
544 2011-04-22 05:07:34 <Androgynous> nanotube: lol, thank you
545 2011-04-22 05:07:35 <nanotube> otherwise you might give someone someone else's address and never get your money :)
546 2011-04-22 05:07:36 <doublec> people have done that in the past..bad idea
547 2011-04-22 05:07:49 <lfm_> Androgynous: you can send to yourself but normally you send to other poeples addresses
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550 2011-04-22 05:09:20 <Androgynous> i suppose the only reason I would send between addresses is to condense BTC to single addresses
551 2011-04-22 05:09:43 <Androgynous> but, I probably wouldn't be doing any of that with anon funds
552 2011-04-22 05:10:16 <Androgynous> 'cept through a mixer or something like that
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554 2011-04-22 05:14:23 <Kiba> the bitcoin meme had hijacked our cognitive functions and command us to replicat itself
555 2011-04-22 05:15:16 <Kiba> in spreading itself from computers to computers, it tweak the machinery of incentives to allow civilization to advance forward
556 2011-04-22 05:16:27 <Androgynous> do i smell copypasta?
557 2011-04-22 05:16:56 <Androgynous> I can't really say
558 2011-04-22 05:17:51 <Kiba> hmm?
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560 2011-04-22 05:17:58 <Androgynous> nvm
561 2011-04-22 05:17:59 <Androgynous> :3
562 2011-04-22 05:22:44 <Androgynous> is there a way to test if the bitcoin client is working w/ tor?
563 2011-04-22 05:23:15 <MagicalTux> install wireshark?
564 2011-04-22 05:23:52 <Kiba> What do we really want and how do we achieve it?
565 2011-04-22 05:24:16 <Androgynous> how should I treat philosophy here?
566 2011-04-22 05:24:17 <Androgynous> <<
567 2011-04-22 05:24:31 <Androgynous> Kiba seems to be putting of the philosophy vibe
568 2011-04-22 05:24:36 <Androgynous> off*
569 2011-04-22 05:24:53 <nanotube> Androgynous: easy is... see if you're getting blocks... your block count should be ,,bc,blocks currently
570 2011-04-22 05:24:54 <gribble> 119535
571 2011-04-22 05:24:58 <Kiba> philosophical and econ
572 2011-04-22 05:25:12 <nanotube> Kiba: maybe that's more topical in #bitcoin :)
573 2011-04-22 05:26:08 <Androgynous> nanotube: ???
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575 2011-04-22 05:26:32 <nanotube> Androgynous: see topic on #bitcoin channel :)
576 2011-04-22 05:26:59 <Kiba> nanotube: well, I want my magazine to encourage a tradition of self-analysis
577 2011-04-22 05:27:23 <jgarzik> whee, smashed 1.2 a while ago today, and now we're back in that range again
578 2011-04-22 05:27:47 <nanotube> jgarzik: yep, you can thank me for that. :D
579 2011-04-22 05:28:50 <Androgynous> the wiki acting up?
580 2011-04-22 05:29:22 <nanotube> Androgynous: i see mysql problems too
581 2011-04-22 05:29:27 <nanotube> MagicalTux: ping ^
582 2011-04-22 05:29:49 <Androgynous> nanotube: see my comment on #bitcoin
583 2011-04-22 05:29:53 <Androgynous> weird coincidence
584 2011-04-22 05:30:37 <nanotube> hehe
585 2011-04-22 05:31:44 <Androgynous> does the wiki have a hidden service?
586 2011-04-22 05:31:45 <MagicalTux> nanotube, pong
587 2011-04-22 05:31:57 <Androgynous> i can't really check, because of it being down
588 2011-04-22 05:32:08 <Androgynous> -ish
589 2011-04-22 05:32:20 <hacim> anyone else having difficulty adding bitcoins to mtgox?
590 2011-04-22 05:32:33 <nanotube> MagicalTux: wiki problems, it seems...
591 2011-04-22 05:32:41 <hacim> when I try to add ~10btc I get "Exception"
592 2011-04-22 05:32:52 <Androgynous> Inception? :0
593 2011-04-22 05:33:11 <nanotube> MagicalTux: ah back up now...
594 2011-04-22 05:33:16 <MagicalTux> nanotube, nah, got one bad disk, tried to replace it, but to no avail
595 2011-04-22 05:33:23 <MagicalTux> well
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597 2011-04-22 05:33:28 <MagicalTux> rebooted the server, syncing raid
598 2011-04-22 05:33:53 <nanotube> mm ok. :)
599 2011-04-22 05:36:26 <MagicalTux> if I stop mysql & apache, raid sync is much faster
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604 2011-04-22 06:34:40 <Kiba> so
605 2011-04-22 06:34:48 <Androgynous> ?
606 2011-04-22 06:35:09 <Kiba> I am working on a google chrome extension for bitcoin
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608 2011-04-22 06:35:37 <Androgynous> cool :3
609 2011-04-22 06:35:44 <Androgynous> what'll it do?
610 2011-04-22 06:36:12 <Kiba> make it easy to send bitcoin
611 2011-04-22 06:36:16 <Kiba> that what it does
612 2011-04-22 06:36:38 <noagendamarket> didnt we already have one ?
613 2011-04-22 06:36:59 <Kiba> and I am ripping up the codebase
614 2011-04-22 06:37:06 <Kiba> it's disordered
615 2011-04-22 06:37:15 <Kiba> and repeat itself too much..
616 2011-04-22 06:38:12 <Androgynous> last updated?
617 2011-04-22 06:38:22 <Kiba> long time ago
618 2011-04-22 06:39:14 <Androgynous> alright then
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621 2011-04-22 06:43:03 <BitcoinExchange> Join #bitcoin-exchange for BitcoinExchange Services - Exchange Bitcoin for prepaid debit cards, visa gift cards, virtual credit cards, moneypak, and gift cards for all major US retail stores, restaurants, and grocery stores - Both buy & sell - http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6223.0
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629 2011-04-22 07:21:32 <slueth> is there a way to run two cards/ one ati and one gtx? I can't get it to reconize them both.
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631 2011-04-22 07:27:02 <dbitcoin> ;;bc,gen 100000
632 2011-04-22 07:27:02 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 100000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 1.0891766317 BTC per day and 0.0453823596541 BTC per hour.
633 2011-04-22 07:32:08 <Beremat> ;;bc,gen 420000
634 2011-04-22 07:32:08 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 420000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 4.57454185313 BTC per day and 0.190605910547 BTC per hour.
635 2011-04-22 07:33:14 <Androgynous> for what things do I need port 8333 to be open for?
636 2011-04-22 07:34:17 <Diablo-D3> faster network speed
637 2011-04-22 07:34:25 <Diablo-D3> otherwise you have to rely on peers that have their 8333 open
638 2011-04-22 07:35:59 <Androgynous> network speed, what does that help with?
639 2011-04-22 07:36:05 <Androgynous> confirming, DLing blocks?
640 2011-04-22 07:36:11 <Diablo-D3> yeah
641 2011-04-22 07:36:16 <Diablo-D3> also gives you more connections
642 2011-04-22 07:36:39 <Androgynous> best way to open ports?
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644 2011-04-22 07:37:39 <Diablo-D3> tell your router to forward them to your machine
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646 2011-04-22 07:37:45 <Diablo-D3> or enable upnp on it
647 2011-04-22 07:38:48 <chmod755> iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 8333 -j ACCEPT
648 2011-04-22 07:39:51 <Diablo-D3> chmod755: thats only if he firewalled his own box with iptables
649 2011-04-22 07:40:31 <Androgynous> i'm not sure if the router has it open...
650 2011-04-22 07:40:39 <Androgynous> i know my windows firewall has it closed
651 2011-04-22 07:41:39 <chmod755> http://nmap-online.com/
652 2011-04-22 07:42:11 <Diablo-D3> Androgynous: you should turn windows firewall off anyhow
653 2011-04-22 07:42:23 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt work and its implemented so badly it slows all network connections down badly
654 2011-04-22 07:42:40 <Androgynous> it's pretty nice for windows 7
655 2011-04-22 07:42:51 <Androgynous> never given me much trouble
656 2011-04-22 07:43:13 <Androgynous> though, i haven't run a speed test w/ it off
657 2011-04-22 07:43:15 <Androgynous> might help
658 2011-04-22 07:44:56 <Diablo-D3> it also doesnt stop the connections it needs to
659 2011-04-22 07:45:38 <Androgynous> really?
660 2011-04-22 07:45:44 <Androgynous> :/
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662 2011-04-22 07:47:21 <Diablo-D3> yeah, its useless
663 2011-04-22 07:51:19 <retinal> useless, but not /completely/ useless ;)
664 2011-04-22 07:51:28 <Diablo-D3> retinal: well
665 2011-04-22 07:51:30 <Diablo-D3> if it cant firewall
666 2011-04-22 07:51:32 <Diablo-D3> its useless
667 2011-04-22 07:51:41 <Diablo-D3> you dont rely on the machine itself to act as a firewall
668 2011-04-22 07:51:42 <Diablo-D3> ever
669 2011-04-22 07:51:46 <Diablo-D3> thats a very bad practice
670 2011-04-22 07:52:12 <retinal> It's certainly worked the few times I needed to block network access on a per-application basis
671 2011-04-22 07:52:23 <retinal> but I can see what you're getting at
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688 2011-04-22 08:43:31 <Pander> does bitcoin have a bug tracker somewhere?
689 2011-04-22 08:44:09 BitcoinExchange has quit (Quit: Leaving)
690 2011-04-22 08:44:42 <lfm_> just the forums and this irc
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693 2011-04-22 08:48:46 <Pander> shouldn't there be one? otherwise people are just reapeating the same issues over and over?
694 2011-04-22 08:49:44 <lfm_> ya people have been saying that, over and over
695 2011-04-22 08:50:01 <Pander> haha
696 2011-04-22 08:50:38 <Pander> well, here is one: start bitcoin on ubuntu maverick and do CTRL_TAB -> crashes hard time: ../src/gtk/window.cpp(3310): assert "Assert failure" failed in DoNavigateIn(): not implemented
697 2011-04-22 08:51:40 <lfm_> cool
698 2011-04-22 08:52:45 <lfm_> I think that is one of those " well don't do that then" sort of things. ( yes it should be fixed )
699 2011-04-22 08:52:47 <henchan> yep, same problem on my Ubuntu PC "./src/gtk/window.cpp(3310): assert "Assert failure" failed in DoNavigateIn(): not implemented"
700 2011-04-22 08:53:21 <RenaKunisaki> kinda seems like one of those things that will be reproducible on just about every machine
701 2011-04-22 08:53:21 <lfm_> assert fail isnt really a hard crash
702 2011-04-22 08:53:25 <Pander> Other issue: install http://trac.edgewall.org/
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721 2011-04-22 09:26:38 <genjix> any idea why apache keeps working for a bit, then stops showing pages? i get this: http://pastebin.com/Ww0HuAaq
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723 2011-04-22 09:28:40 <jaromil> genjix: you have a problem stopping apache
724 2011-04-22 09:28:45 <jaromil> prolly the script
725 2011-04-22 09:28:49 <jaromil> gmoin btw
726 2011-04-22 09:29:43 * jaromil today wears alpaca wool
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729 2011-04-22 09:32:47 <genjix> jaromil: problem with apache? you don't say!
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733 2011-04-22 09:35:55 <sgornick> http://twitter.com/#!/CmdLnKid/status/61359685244170240
734 2011-04-22 09:37:11 <ersi> l o l
735 2011-04-22 09:37:22 <sgornick> Is he talking about the bootstrap irc?
736 2011-04-22 09:37:25 <ersi> "Heart you like them bootstrapping? It's open source, idiot"
737 2011-04-22 09:37:27 <ersi> Yes, he is
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739 2011-04-22 09:41:38 <MagicalTux> Value is the number of Satoshi (1 BTC = 100,000,000 Satoshi) that this output will be worth when claimed. <- mh?
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742 2011-04-22 09:43:37 <genjix> Insti: hey if you can help me solve this apache problem, i'll give you 150 BTC
743 2011-04-22 09:43:54 <Insti> genjix sure
744 2011-04-22 09:45:08 <gjs278> genjix what's the problem
745 2011-04-22 09:45:15 <genjix> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4984.msg92080#msg92080
746 2011-04-22 09:45:46 <genjix> but gjs278 lets see what Insti says first since he offered to help before for free :)
747 2011-04-22 09:45:56 <genjix> he was nice enought o do that
748 2011-04-22 09:46:17 <gjs278> apachectl -k stop
749 2011-04-22 09:46:31 <gjs278> then check ps for apache processes
750 2011-04-22 09:46:37 <jaromil> genjix: its a problem with *stopping apache*
751 2011-04-22 09:46:42 <jaromil> that's all
752 2011-04-22 09:46:43 <Insti> your disk isnt full?
753 2011-04-22 09:47:02 <jaromil> look int /etc/init.d/apache2
754 2011-04-22 09:47:11 <jaromil> try to kill directly
755 2011-04-22 09:47:13 <jaromil> fix the script
756 2011-04-22 09:47:16 <jaromil> blame the distro
757 2011-04-22 09:47:18 <genjix> that's not the problem
758 2011-04-22 09:47:23 <jaromil> no?
759 2011-04-22 09:47:28 <jaromil> it looks like from your pastebin
760 2011-04-22 09:47:29 <genjix> i kill -9 the apache processes yesterday
761 2011-04-22 09:47:47 <genjix> restarted apache and it worked fine for a few hours
762 2011-04-22 09:47:47 <gjs278> clear your logs out
763 2011-04-22 09:47:54 <gjs278> and then maybe you can see something in error_log
764 2011-04-22 09:47:56 <gjs278> about it dying
765 2011-04-22 09:48:02 <jaromil> right. logs.
766 2011-04-22 09:48:10 <jaromil> do you have a memleak ?
767 2011-04-22 09:48:28 <gjs278> you can also check dmesg to see if your kernel exploded
768 2011-04-22 09:48:47 <jaromil> right. if there is a leak filling up the mem, kernel ooops kills apache
769 2011-04-22 09:49:25 <genjix> here's the thing. im not asking 'how can i restart apache'
770 2011-04-22 09:49:37 <genjix> instead i want to know how can i stop apache locking up again
771 2011-04-22 09:49:58 <gjs278> can't really tell you unless you can find an error message somewhere
772 2011-04-22 09:50:01 <gjs278> like logs or dmesg
773 2011-04-22 09:50:18 <genjix> ok well i'll wait until it crashes again then message all 3 of you guys
774 2011-04-22 09:50:28 <gjs278> sounds like a plan
775 2011-04-22 09:50:38 <Insti> you should already have messages in your logs.
776 2011-04-22 09:51:03 <gjs278> that or the log directory is out of space lol
777 2011-04-22 09:54:36 <gjs278> genjix if you have no luck keeping it running, you can install a program called monit that can check your apache every minute and restart it if connections don't work
778 2011-04-22 09:54:48 <gjs278> may want to look into it for now while debugging this so you don't have any downtime
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780 2011-04-22 09:57:38 <jaromil> genjix: ok
781 2011-04-22 09:57:45 <jaromil> and give us 50 each :D
782 2011-04-22 09:58:04 * jaromil becoming avid for the first time in life
783 2011-04-22 09:58:18 <genjix> but you didn't do anything yet
784 2011-04-22 09:58:35 <genjix> 8 Gb available
785 2011-04-22 09:58:41 <jaromil> ram?
786 2011-04-22 09:59:03 <genjix> devtmpfs 108K used 299M free
787 2011-04-22 09:59:04 <gjs278> diskspace
788 2011-04-22 09:59:11 <gjs278> is good
789 2011-04-22 09:59:13 <gjs278> sooo
790 2011-04-22 09:59:23 <gjs278> what's at the very end of your error log
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792 2011-04-22 09:59:34 <gjs278> if it's small enough pastebin as much as you can
793 2011-04-22 10:00:19 <jaromil> you have a memleak imho. start installing htop so you'll be looking at a fancier screen. also paste your MPM fork and such settings in apache, they need finetuning for sure
794 2011-04-22 10:00:40 <genjix> nothing in particular
795 2011-04-22 10:01:01 <gjs278> what version are you on
796 2011-04-22 10:01:03 <gjs278> 2.2?
797 2011-04-22 10:02:30 <gjs278> you may just want to update it to 2.2.17 for fun if you're behind, can't hurt
798 2011-04-22 10:03:09 <gjs278> also are you on ec2
799 2011-04-22 10:06:04 <Insti> are you just using the standard 'out of the box' installation?
800 2011-04-22 10:08:28 <genjix> yep
801 2011-04-22 10:08:43 <genjix> i have 2 sites-enabled. one points to a different document root which has a php redirect script to the ssl document root.
802 2011-04-22 10:09:49 <Insti> do you have a separate apache-ssl process?
803 2011-04-22 10:11:46 <Insti> (you probably wont)
804 2011-04-22 10:12:09 <gjs278> yeah thats too old school
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809 2011-04-22 10:37:37 <netxshare> I can mine on a 16x pcie running at 4x can I not?
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811 2011-04-22 10:39:15 <sipa> yes
812 2011-04-22 10:39:49 <netxshare> that's what I thought
813 2011-04-22 10:39:52 <netxshare> thanks sipa
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817 2011-04-22 10:51:36 <genjix> what is pk script in the output for a transaction?
818 2011-04-22 10:52:13 <genjix> there is a script for the input which dictates how that coin can be spent... so what's the output script part for?
819 2011-04-22 10:53:08 <genjix> scriptPubKey in CTxOut
820 2011-04-22 10:53:37 <sipa> that determines how that output can be spent
821 2011-04-22 10:54:49 <genjix> hash OP_DUP OP_CHECKSIG for both the input *and* output?
822 2011-04-22 10:55:01 <sipa> ?
823 2011-04-22 10:57:53 <genjix> say you have a standard input script like OP_DUP OP_HASH160 1dddd3f... OP_EQUAALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG
824 2011-04-22 10:58:12 <genjix> how does the output script look like? is it jus a copy of the TxIn script?
825 2011-04-22 10:59:31 <sipa> txin script?
826 2011-04-22 10:59:38 <genjix> no the txout script
827 2011-04-22 11:00:02 <genjix> CTxOut::scriptPubKey
828 2011-04-22 11:00:28 <sipa> txin script is a signature script
829 2011-04-22 11:00:33 <sipa> txout script is a verification script
830 2011-04-22 11:00:34 <genjix> or is the script empty?
831 2011-04-22 11:00:38 <genjix> aha ok
832 2011-04-22 11:00:51 <sipa> txin script matches the prevout's txout script
833 2011-04-22 11:00:56 <genjix> right
834 2011-04-22 11:00:58 <sipa> as a proof that the necessary key is available
835 2011-04-22 11:02:34 <genjix> you can only create a new transaction if the txin signature matches that for the COutPoint transaction (looked up using the hash+index)
836 2011-04-22 11:02:53 <sipa> for it to be valid, yes
837 2011-04-22 11:03:08 <genjix> (and also if the script passes too of course.)
838 2011-04-22 11:04:08 <genjix> so script is big endian over the network but everything else is little endian right?
839 2011-04-22 11:05:39 <sipa> no, everything is little endian
840 2011-04-22 11:05:44 <sipa> except network addresses
841 2011-04-22 11:06:28 <genjix> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Script
842 2011-04-22 11:06:35 <genjix> "Scripts are big-endian. (Is all data, also?) "
843 2011-04-22 11:06:40 <genjix> is that a mistake then?
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846 2011-04-22 11:20:48 <RenaKunisaki> https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Script&action=edit§ion=6 there's a column header missing here
847 2011-04-22 11:26:44 <genjix> I think that's supposed to be the op code
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850 2011-04-22 11:35:15 <genjix> i think script *is* big endian sipa
851 2011-04-22 11:35:35 <genjix> notice that operator << in CScript just adds bytes to itself
852 2011-04-22 11:36:11 <sipa> so?
853 2011-04-22 11:36:40 <sipa> numbers encoded in it are still little-endian afaik
854 2011-04-22 11:37:35 <genjix> i thought a script is just a sequence of bytes?
855 2011-04-22 11:37:43 <sipa> yes
856 2011-04-22 11:37:56 <sipa> but those bytes have a meaning
857 2011-04-22 11:38:55 <edcba> all numbers going on network should be big endian
858 2011-04-22 11:38:58 <genjix> im certain that the opcodes are big endian because they're read using memcpy(..., 4)
859 2011-04-22 11:39:07 <genjix> edcba: not in bitcoin
860 2011-04-22 11:39:11 <sipa> genjix: you know that x86 is little-endian?
861 2011-04-22 11:39:29 <sipa> if you read them by copying data into memory, it's little endian
862 2011-04-22 11:39:38 <genjix> i didn't know.
863 2011-04-22 11:39:41 <sipa> (and a very bad idea, but it will only work on little-endian machines)
864 2011-04-22 11:39:48 <edcba> yes i think genjix mixed big/little :)
865 2011-04-22 11:40:32 <genjix> so should i change the wiki and delete that comment which says: "Scripts are big-endian. (Is all data, also?) "
866 2011-04-22 11:40:54 <sipa> it's either wrong or very ambiguous :)
867 2011-04-22 11:41:50 <jaromil> i'd delete it
868 2011-04-22 11:41:53 <edcba> i don't remember for scripts but the numbers in other messages are in big endian
869 2011-04-22 11:42:07 <edcba> serialization take care of conversion
870 2011-04-22 11:42:24 <edcba> you have to see how are serialized scripts
871 2011-04-22 11:42:36 <sipa> edcba: in bitcoin, everything is little endian
872 2011-04-22 11:43:32 <sipa> 0.05 BTC is encoded as 40 4B 4C 00 00 00 00 00
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875 2011-04-22 11:46:57 <genjix> yeah we're discussing whether it's the same in script
876 2011-04-22 11:47:21 <ArtForz> iirc, yes
877 2011-04-22 11:47:27 <genjix> kk
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882 2011-04-22 12:02:32 <edcba> sipa not when sent over the network
883 2011-04-22 12:03:47 <sipa> yes it is
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887 2011-04-22 12:27:31 <kblessinggr> trying to get the daemon running in FreeBSD already got it compiled, but when I launch it with -daemon, then when I di bitcoind getinfo, it just says cannot connect to server
888 2011-04-22 12:27:55 xxxxxxx is now known as xxxxxxx`brb
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890 2011-04-22 12:30:05 <genjix> kblessinggr: wait a few mins
891 2011-04-22 12:30:26 <genjix> how many clients actually use the old protocol
892 2011-04-22 12:30:36 <kblessinggr> hrm, it takes a couple mins to actually spawn?
893 2011-04-22 12:35:39 <mizerydearia> ;;seen plato
894 2011-04-22 12:35:39 <gribble> plato was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 2 weeks, 0 days, 18 hours, 42 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <PLATO> ty
895 2011-04-22 12:36:38 <BurtyB> genjix is "Cost/BTC" supposed to = Giving/Wanted or is there a % or something now?
896 2011-04-22 12:39:58 xxxxxxx`brb is now known as xxxxxxx
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898 2011-04-22 12:51:44 <Diablo-D3> man
899 2011-04-22 12:52:00 <Diablo-D3> I think Im just going to buy a roku
900 2011-04-22 12:54:34 <jaromil> roku? set top box for video?
901 2011-04-22 12:54:56 quellhor1t is now known as quellhorst
902 2011-04-22 12:55:26 <Diablo-D3> yeah
903 2011-04-22 12:55:38 <jaromil> then let me suggest you evaluate a WD TV HD Live
904 2011-04-22 12:55:58 <Diablo-D3> not interested
905 2011-04-22 12:56:04 <jaromil> the homebrew WDLXTV firmware by B'Rad just rocks my home theater
906 2011-04-22 12:56:29 <Diablo-D3> does it do 1080p out? does it have netflix?
907 2011-04-22 12:56:46 <Diablo-D3> does it have wifi n on 5ghz?
908 2011-04-22 12:56:57 <Diablo-D3> what about the amazon video service?
909 2011-04-22 12:57:06 <x6763> ;;bc,mtgox
910 2011-04-22 12:57:06 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.3,"low":1.149,"vol":57685,"buy":1.276,"sell":1.283,"last":1.2946}}
911 2011-04-22 12:57:43 <jaromil> Diablo-D3: no lets say its from an older generation than what you are looking for then
912 2011-04-22 12:58:04 <jaromil> netflix is flaky, 1080p is too much for the poor box, wifi works with an usb dongle and no amazon video service
913 2011-04-22 12:58:13 <Diablo-D3> it also costs more than roku's biggest box
914 2011-04-22 12:58:25 <jaromil> but it's a lovely silent solid state thing for <100$
915 2011-04-22 12:58:31 <jaromil> rly? how much is a roku?
916 2011-04-22 12:58:48 <jaromil> oh. cheap.
917 2011-04-22 12:58:58 <jaromil> but can you compile stuff to run on it? :D
918 2011-04-22 12:59:28 <Diablo-D3> why would I want to?
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920 2011-04-22 13:01:34 <jaromil> mmm, i don't like the channel offer on roku
921 2011-04-22 13:02:15 <jaromil> and i have an obsession for being able to run modified code
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923 2011-04-22 13:03:28 <Diablo-D3> yeah, so does everyone else
924 2011-04-22 13:03:32 <Diablo-D3> hell, so do I
925 2011-04-22 13:03:37 <Diablo-D3> I run fucking openwrt on my router
926 2011-04-22 13:03:51 <Diablo-D3> I have a different OS on my ti89
927 2011-04-22 13:04:13 <Diablo-D3> I changed the firmware using a hacked one so my card reader can now do sdhc instead of just sd
928 2011-04-22 13:04:15 <jaromil> so can you stand running a tv with a computer inside that you cannot hack? i can't :D
929 2011-04-22 13:04:24 <Diablo-D3> theres nothing TO hack
930 2011-04-22 13:04:29 <Diablo-D3> it does exactly what its supposed to
931 2011-04-22 13:04:49 <Diablo-D3> run netflix, at 1080p, over wifi n 5ghz.
932 2011-04-22 13:04:57 <Diablo-D3> jaromil: also
933 2011-04-22 13:04:57 <jaromil> mm, does it downloads torrents?
934 2011-04-22 13:05:02 <Diablo-D3> you can add "channels" to it
935 2011-04-22 13:05:09 <Diablo-D3> ones that arent known or authorized
936 2011-04-22 13:05:15 <jaromil> ok that's good
937 2011-04-22 13:05:22 <Diablo-D3> it just adds content though
938 2011-04-22 13:05:41 <Diablo-D3> like, theres this porn company that has all their shit on a roku channel
939 2011-04-22 13:05:50 <jaromil> well at least that. on wdlxtv there are various plugins to scrap off stuff from websites into vodcasts
940 2011-04-22 13:05:52 <Diablo-D3> also, it cant download torrents
941 2011-04-22 13:05:54 <Diablo-D3> theres no storage space
942 2011-04-22 13:05:56 <Diablo-D3> at all
943 2011-04-22 13:06:02 <jaromil> no usb?
944 2011-04-22 13:06:10 <Diablo-D3> has usb, but lets face it here
945 2011-04-22 13:06:11 <Diablo-D3> thats dumb
946 2011-04-22 13:06:34 <jaromil> well, most of my movies are on my hd
947 2011-04-22 13:06:50 <Diablo-D3> yeah, exactly
948 2011-04-22 13:07:03 <Diablo-D3> and I'd also rather run my torrent client on my computer
949 2011-04-22 13:07:15 <jaromil> torrenting from a mips processor is kinda dumb yea
950 2011-04-22 13:07:17 <Diablo-D3> since, you know, I can actually click torrents and my torrent client automatically loads them, etc
951 2011-04-22 13:07:28 <Diablo-D3> and I have a 2.1TB raid.
952 2011-04-22 13:07:38 <jaromil> but then the wdlxtv has a webpage to control it
953 2011-04-22 13:07:46 <Diablo-D3> roksbox is the best part of this
954 2011-04-22 13:08:27 <jaromil> do you know if it has UPNP AVTransport ?
955 2011-04-22 13:08:38 <Diablo-D3> dunno
956 2011-04-22 13:08:42 <jaromil> k
957 2011-04-22 13:08:59 <jaromil> i'm using that a lot, just released a client for it
958 2011-04-22 13:09:05 <Diablo-D3> http://roksbox.com/home/
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960 2011-04-22 13:10:15 <jaromil> nice
961 2011-04-22 13:10:28 <Diablo-D3> apparently just uses normal http
962 2011-04-22 13:11:10 <jaromil> yea, and thumbgen
963 2011-04-22 13:11:25 <jaromil> but then also wdlxtv does it, with a litl bit of hacking
964 2011-04-22 13:11:34 <Diablo-D3> its not useful for playing media though
965 2011-04-22 13:11:47 <Diablo-D3> I mean, theres too much shit out there thats ... insane
966 2011-04-22 13:11:47 <jaromil> that's why i'm asking about upnp
967 2011-04-22 13:11:58 <jaromil> i play media from a commandline
968 2011-04-22 13:12:06 <jaromil> avremote load file; avremote play
969 2011-04-22 13:12:06 <Diablo-D3> no I mean
970 2011-04-22 13:12:11 <Diablo-D3> it has a hardware decoder
971 2011-04-22 13:12:25 <jaromil> i know, prolly a sigmatel chip no?
972 2011-04-22 13:12:35 <Diablo-D3> try feeding it stuff that is beyond high profile
973 2011-04-22 13:12:41 <Diablo-D3> or other nutty shit pirates do
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975 2011-04-22 13:13:17 <jaromil> doesn't supports many formats?
976 2011-04-22 13:13:20 <jaromil> is it an RTL chip?
977 2011-04-22 13:13:35 <Diablo-D3> dunno what it supports
978 2011-04-22 13:15:55 <jaromil> k. interesting. i'm off writing about milkymist now
979 2011-04-22 13:15:58 <jaromil> http://www.milkymist.org/mmone.html
980 2011-04-22 13:16:38 <jaromil> please smack my pull request (177) around a bit, tomorrow i'll be fixing the issues and packing a better one
981 2011-04-22 13:17:04 <Diablo-D3> heh
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983 2011-04-22 13:18:30 <Diablo-D3> aljazeera has a roku channel
984 2011-04-22 13:18:44 <Diablo-D3> so does bbc
985 2011-04-22 13:18:49 <mizerydearia> I just learned that Sirius is owner of bitcoinexchange.com. More documentation is needed at https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Category:Bitcoiners to document which users correlate to what developments, projects, busineses, establishments, etc.
986 2011-04-22 13:19:02 <Diablo-D3> and cnn
987 2011-04-22 13:19:21 <mizerydearia> oooh, Sirius is owner of cnn too?
988 2011-04-22 13:19:27 <mizerydearia> j/k
989 2011-04-22 13:20:06 Godslastering has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
990 2011-04-22 13:21:29 <Diablo-D3> heh
991 2011-04-22 13:21:31 <Diablo-D3> and pbs
992 2011-04-22 13:21:36 Godslastering has joined
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997 2011-04-22 13:26:05 <anarchyx> long time :)
998 2011-04-22 13:26:32 <anarchyx> whats the latest and greatest card for mining?
999 2011-04-22 13:26:32 TD has quit (Quit: TD)
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1001 2011-04-22 13:33:42 <BurtyB> anarchyx https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison 5970 still looking best Mhash/W
1002 2011-04-22 13:33:48 <ArtForz> 6990
1003 2011-04-22 13:35:19 <kiba> after a sucky two months period, we're rocketing like mad!
1004 2011-04-22 13:35:30 <ArtForz> thoguh kinda sucks for price/perf, for that probably used 5870 or 5970 is still the way to go
1005 2011-04-22 13:35:38 subpar has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1006 2011-04-22 13:36:07 <ArtForz> you can find pretty sweet deals on gamer forums, ebay is pretty much a waste of time
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1009 2011-04-22 13:43:16 <Diablo-D3> hey jaromil http://www.gabilan.com/joomla/
1010 2011-04-22 13:43:32 <Diablo-D3> apparently someone hammered out a dlna solution
1011 2011-04-22 13:45:04 retinal has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1012 2011-04-22 13:46:38 <Diablo-D3> OOH
1013 2011-04-22 13:46:49 <Diablo-D3> they have shit that uses ffmpeg to transcode to optimum format
1014 2011-04-22 13:48:04 retinal has joined
1015 2011-04-22 13:50:12 <Diablo-D3> ...
1016 2011-04-22 13:50:15 <Diablo-D3> fuck the whole thing
1017 2011-04-22 13:50:17 <Diablo-D3> its written in c#
1018 2011-04-22 13:50:19 <Diablo-D3> useless trash
1019 2011-04-22 13:51:29 <anarchyx> probably gonna be able to get CLUB3D RADEON HD 6990 4GB GDDR5 256-BIT - for 444 euros
1020 2011-04-22 13:51:37 <anarchyx> and further discount for volume
1021 2011-04-22 13:51:54 <anarchyx> anyone got it cheaper somewhere?
1022 2011-04-22 13:51:57 <Diablo-D3> erm
1023 2011-04-22 13:51:59 <anarchyx> its new
1024 2011-04-22 13:52:01 <Diablo-D3> you do realize club3d is shit, right?
1025 2011-04-22 13:52:14 <anarchyx> yeah it gave me problems before
1026 2011-04-22 13:52:21 <anarchyx> but isnt it all whitelabel
1027 2011-04-22 13:52:30 <anarchyx> SAPPHIRE RADEON HD 6990 4GB GDDR5 ATI is 475 euro
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1030 2011-04-22 13:56:20 <Diablo-D3> its worth that extra
1031 2011-04-22 13:56:32 <Diablo-D3> anarchyx: club3d stuff is often DOA
1032 2011-04-22 13:56:41 <Diablo-D3> I wouldnt waste over $400 on a DOA brand
1033 2011-04-22 13:57:02 <anarchyx> true
1034 2011-04-22 14:00:23 <kiba> everything is up!
1035 2011-04-22 14:00:35 <Diablo-D3> even my dick!
1036 2011-04-22 14:00:45 <kiba> Jesus
1037 2011-04-22 14:00:51 <Diablo-D3> yes, my son?
1038 2011-04-22 14:00:53 <kiba> 1.3x level is not very strong
1039 2011-04-22 14:01:03 <anarchyx> were gonna hit 10 this year :P
1040 2011-04-22 14:01:11 <kiba> hopefully
1041 2011-04-22 14:01:11 <anarchyx> $10
1042 2011-04-22 14:01:19 <kiba> then I'llb e avery rich man
1043 2011-04-22 14:01:25 <Diablo-D3> heh
1044 2011-04-22 14:01:28 <anarchyx> whats rich?
1045 2011-04-22 14:01:28 <Diablo-D3> if we reach $10
1046 2011-04-22 14:01:30 <Diablo-D3> then
1047 2011-04-22 14:01:40 <anarchyx> 1 mil isnt rich :)
1048 2011-04-22 14:01:41 <Diablo-D3> I'd be still poor :<
1049 2011-04-22 14:01:43 <anarchyx> 10 million is
1050 2011-04-22 14:02:02 <anarchyx> according to a questionaire at least
1051 2011-04-22 14:02:03 <anarchyx> :D
1052 2011-04-22 14:02:20 <anarchyx> they asked people what is rich
1053 2011-04-22 14:02:30 <anarchyx> average was 8 million
1054 2011-04-22 14:02:34 <kiba> a million dollars isn't very rich?
1055 2011-04-22 14:02:43 <anarchyx> its nice to have
1056 2011-04-22 14:02:59 <kiba> even if you make 100,000 dollars a year, it will take you ten years to have your millions
1057 2011-04-22 14:03:13 <anarchyx> at 10 million you can start living off the compound interest and still have it adjust to inflation somewhat
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1059 2011-04-22 14:04:01 <anarchyx> comfortable take out $10k/month
1060 2011-04-22 14:04:06 <anarchyx> comfortably*
1061 2011-04-22 14:04:13 <anarchyx> never have to work again
1062 2011-04-22 14:04:58 <anarchyx> in other words want 1 million bitcoins asap :P
1063 2011-04-22 14:05:02 <kiba> can't use compound interest in the bitcoin economy
1064 2011-04-22 14:05:06 <kiba> would have to relies on deflation
1065 2011-04-22 14:05:22 <anarchyx> yeah i was talking traditional dollars
1066 2011-04-22 14:05:50 <anarchyx> but im sure there will be banks coming soon
1067 2011-04-22 14:05:52 <anarchyx> bitcoin banks
1068 2011-04-22 14:06:07 <kiba> we are robots hijacked by the bitcoin memes and our instruction is to bring down the state!
1069 2011-04-22 14:06:12 <anarchyx> for sure
1070 2011-04-22 14:06:29 <kiba> trying to get people talking about standardization
1071 2011-04-22 14:06:46 <anarchyx> the potential of this is a complete internet based economy without government
1072 2011-04-22 14:06:49 <anarchyx> a new society
1073 2011-04-22 14:07:02 <kiba> guberment!
1074 2011-04-22 14:07:20 <kiba> most insitution lacks critical self-analysis
1075 2011-04-22 14:07:41 <kiba> and that why insitutions, corporations, etc, fail
1076 2011-04-22 14:07:57 <kiba> it's not that the externals that kill you
1077 2011-04-22 14:07:57 <anarchyx> government is so oldschool
1078 2011-04-22 14:08:00 <kiba> it's the internal
1079 2011-04-22 14:08:01 <anarchyx> yes
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1084 2011-04-22 14:08:40 <kiba> governments and bitcoin do not have to be opposed...they just have to give up relative power for absolute power
1085 2011-04-22 14:09:09 <anarchyx> yes
1086 2011-04-22 14:09:10 <kiba> in exchange for the lack of power over people
1087 2011-04-22 14:09:16 <kiba> they can exchange it for extraordinary wealth
1088 2011-04-22 14:09:20 <anarchyx> but getting there is gonna be tricky
1089 2011-04-22 14:09:21 * netxshare sighs
1090 2011-04-22 14:09:26 <anarchyx> government doesnt wonna give it up
1091 2011-04-22 14:09:31 <netxshare> xbmc system crashed
1092 2011-04-22 14:09:37 <netxshare> now lirc is failing
1093 2011-04-22 14:09:50 <anarchyx> its a corporation with a monopoly on violence, and heavy influence in media
1094 2011-04-22 14:10:19 <anarchyx> thats why an alternative society based on bitcoins has to be developed in parallel
1095 2011-04-22 14:10:24 <anarchyx> with people having a choice to switch
1096 2011-04-22 14:10:28 <kiba> its influence on the media are wanning
1097 2011-04-22 14:10:34 <anarchyx> yep
1098 2011-04-22 14:10:38 <anarchyx> luckily
1099 2011-04-22 14:10:42 <kiba> target their education system, you crush their influences
1100 2011-04-22 14:10:43 <davex__> any of you guys using hdminer? is it worth the 400 btc?
1101 2011-04-22 14:10:44 <anarchyx> but now theyre trying to limit the internet
1102 2011-04-22 14:10:46 <anarchyx> we have to be first
1103 2011-04-22 14:10:47 <netxshare> anarchyx you should look at XFX
1104 2011-04-22 14:10:55 <netxshare> they have a great warrenty program
1105 2011-04-22 14:10:59 <anarchyx> im working on education and a lot more
1106 2011-04-22 14:11:00 <netxshare> very good for reselling the card
1107 2011-04-22 14:11:06 <anarchyx> i need a shitload of people to help
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1109 2011-04-22 14:11:48 <netxshare> brb
1110 2011-04-22 14:11:54 <anarchyx> netxshare: ok thanks, ill look into it
1111 2011-04-22 14:11:54 <Blitzboom> i think traditional socialists would like bitcoin
1112 2011-04-22 14:12:00 <Blitzboom> as itâs the peopleâs currency
1113 2011-04-22 14:12:27 <netxshare> it transfers
1114 2011-04-22 14:12:39 <netxshare> so when you resell it they can return it to xfx if something goes wrong
1115 2011-04-22 14:13:09 <anarchyx> you mean they allow warranty transfers when it changes owner?
1116 2011-04-22 14:14:29 <anarchyx> xfx has always been good in terms of cards
1117 2011-04-22 14:14:32 <anarchyx> never had a bad one so far
1118 2011-04-22 14:14:33 <kiba> Blitzboom: yeah but they will have to live with the fact that filthy rich libertarian bitcoiners make it all possible
1119 2011-04-22 14:15:03 <netxshare> yes anarchyx
1120 2011-04-22 14:15:18 <kiba> the nice thing about bitcoin is that not only the rich can protect their wealth but so can the poor just as easily
1121 2011-04-22 14:15:29 <anarchyx> kiba: explain
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1123 2011-04-22 14:15:39 <netxshare> uh simple
1124 2011-04-22 14:15:41 <kiba> anarchyx: standard encryption and backup procedure
1125 2011-04-22 14:15:43 <netxshare> put your cash into bitcoins
1126 2011-04-22 14:16:04 <netxshare> no one will know where the money is
1127 2011-04-22 14:16:07 <netxshare> but you :D
1128 2011-04-22 14:17:14 <anarchyx> ok i thought you ment something else with protecting wealth
1129 2011-04-22 14:17:23 <anarchyx> like investing etc
1130 2011-04-22 14:17:35 <netxshare> nothing yet
1131 2011-04-22 14:19:15 <kiba> anonymous stock market!
1132 2011-04-22 14:19:23 <netxshare> is there not one yet
1133 2011-04-22 14:19:31 <netxshare> I downloaded something
1134 2011-04-22 14:19:32 <kiba> the rise of bitcoin joint-stock corporation
1135 2011-04-22 14:19:33 <kiba> sure there is
1136 2011-04-22 14:19:34 <netxshare> like black market
1137 2011-04-22 14:19:46 <netxshare> blackmarket.py
1138 2011-04-22 14:19:54 <netxshare> I dunno I can't remember anything about it tho
1139 2011-04-22 14:19:55 <kiba> that's the program
1140 2011-04-22 14:20:04 <netxshare> yeah I could not get it to run
1141 2011-04-22 14:20:09 <netxshare> so I did not go much futher
1142 2011-04-22 14:21:20 <kiba> they probably fixed several bugs
1143 2011-04-22 14:21:20 <netxshare> thank god
1144 2011-04-22 14:21:26 <netxshare> lirc is working again
1145 2011-04-22 14:21:29 <netxshare> took freaking forever
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1151 2011-04-22 14:25:21 <genjix> getting some good volume on britcoin
1152 2011-04-22 14:25:32 <genjix> guess bitcoin is going to jump up in value soon
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1154 2011-04-22 14:26:00 da2ce7 is now known as keynesian_homo
1155 2011-04-22 14:26:04 * BurtyB broke a xfx hd5870 had no problems getting it replaced :)
1156 2011-04-22 14:26:19 <netxshare> it's worth the extra 30 bucks
1157 2011-04-22 14:26:28 <lfm_> oops wrong msg, sorry
1158 2011-04-22 14:27:17 <lfm_> geez mtgox hit 1.30
1159 2011-04-22 14:27:55 keynesian_homo is now known as da2ce7
1160 2011-04-22 14:28:00 <netxshare> damn
1161 2011-04-22 14:28:13 <netxshare> I was glad to see that SIRI stock went up
1162 2011-04-22 14:28:45 <kiba> genjix: that's the biggest day in the history of britcoin
1163 2011-04-22 14:31:15 <genjix> what is the otherAccount field in the wallets for?
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1166 2011-04-22 14:35:10 <noagendamarket> http://bitcoin.witcoin.com/p/1232/ check out what gavin is doing noa
1167 2011-04-22 14:36:45 <kiba> noagendamarket: a CIA meeting about bitcoin O_o
1168 2011-04-22 14:36:48 <kiba> o_O
1169 2011-04-22 14:36:50 <kiba> O_O
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1171 2011-04-22 14:37:35 <noagendamarket> check out the other pics lol
1172 2011-04-22 14:37:47 <kiba> anyway
1173 2011-04-22 14:37:50 <kiba> noagendamarket: did ya rate me?
1174 2011-04-22 14:38:03 <noagendamarket> not yet
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1176 2011-04-22 14:38:19 <kiba> do it now!
1177 2011-04-22 14:38:38 * kiba is probably the most trusted name in bitcoin anyway
1178 2011-04-22 14:38:45 <da2ce7> lol, the most published
1179 2011-04-22 14:38:51 <da2ce7> or self-published
1180 2011-04-22 14:38:52 <noagendamarket> lol
1181 2011-04-22 14:39:11 <kiba> I handled a 8500 BTC escrow acount once, yo!
1182 2011-04-22 14:39:35 <da2ce7> bah, I handel myself all the time, and it is larger than that!
1183 2011-04-22 14:40:18 <noagendamarket> haha
1184 2011-04-22 14:40:18 * da2ce7 forgets his password: http://files.sharenator.com/FUUUU_RE_FFFFFUUUU_Pizza-s508x387-44250.jpg
1185 2011-04-22 14:40:30 <kiba> anyway
1186 2011-04-22 14:40:32 <kiba> now
1187 2011-04-22 14:40:45 <netxshare> psh I gots 0.62BTC
1188 2011-04-22 14:40:47 <kiba> I am looking for developers for my bitcoin chrome extension project
1189 2011-04-22 14:41:07 <da2ce7> oooh what is your chrome bitcoin address?
1190 2011-04-22 14:41:18 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/w/chrome-bitcoin.git
1191 2011-04-22 14:41:29 <luke-jr> kiba: learn to use commit messages
1192 2011-04-22 14:42:24 <netxshare> is it just going to use json?
1193 2011-04-22 14:42:27 <da2ce7> hell luke-jr, I'm going to put my projects on bit-git once they hit v0.1
1194 2011-04-22 14:42:40 <luke-jr> da2ce7: why wait?
1195 2011-04-22 14:43:21 <da2ce7> cause, they are kinda somewhat time senctive, I dont' want people paying arround with them till have the basic documtation done.
1196 2011-04-22 14:43:30 <luke-jr> :p
1197 2011-04-22 14:43:35 <kiba> everybody make big changes in their commits
1198 2011-04-22 14:43:40 <kiba> I make small changes
1199 2011-04-22 14:43:42 <kiba> and lot of commits
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1201 2011-04-22 14:43:59 <da2ce7> luke get a propper home page: http://luke.dashjr.org/
1202 2011-04-22 14:44:05 <luke-jr> da2ce7: why?
1203 2011-04-22 14:44:09 <luke-jr> I like my index
1204 2011-04-22 14:44:20 <luke-jr> I even customized my icons
1205 2011-04-22 14:44:21 <noagendamarket> kiba - rated
1206 2011-04-22 14:44:29 <da2ce7> :P ok/
1207 2011-04-22 14:44:45 <da2ce7> kde, clearglass or something like that
1208 2011-04-22 14:44:53 <da2ce7> *cystal
1209 2011-04-22 14:45:22 <genjix> what is the otherAccount field in the wallets for?
1210 2011-04-22 14:45:31 <kiba> validation is a pain in the ass
1211 2011-04-22 14:45:45 <da2ce7> genjix, afaik it is v.wallets inside your wallet.
1212 2011-04-22 14:46:02 <genjix> v.wallets?
1213 2011-04-22 14:46:09 <kiba> I should write an elisp program for making otc authentication a non-pain-in-the-ass someday
1214 2011-04-22 14:46:30 <genjix> i mean otherAccount under acentry
1215 2011-04-22 14:47:02 <da2ce7> yeah, you can have more than one 'account' so you can have a 'Bob' account and an 'Alice' one... unless I'm thinking about a diff thing.
1216 2011-04-22 14:47:18 <da2ce7> bitcoin will keep track of each ballance.
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1218 2011-04-22 14:50:08 <tcatm> genjix: otherAccount it used for 'move's between accounts
1219 2011-04-22 14:50:39 <genjix> ok
1220 2011-04-22 14:51:09 <djoot> kiba: here's another 'thing' with 'free will': http://www.wolframscience.com/nksonline/page-750
1221 2011-04-22 14:51:42 <djoot> free will is an illusion, although a very persistent one
1222 2011-04-22 14:52:36 * kiba don't believe in free will
1223 2011-04-22 14:52:56 <kiba> I believe we are robots
1224 2011-04-22 14:53:01 <djoot> yep, me too
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1226 2011-04-22 14:53:43 <kiba> a robot that can reflect itself and comperhend the universe
1227 2011-04-22 14:54:02 * da2ce7 thinks that in many ways we are a 3-d plane moving on a 4-d path. In that respect, future events are fixed, but we cannot see them (yet)
1228 2011-04-22 14:54:04 <djoot> I found that book to very interesting, I think you would like it :)
1229 2011-04-22 14:54:59 <kiba> to us, the future is uncertain and that's why we need entrepeneurs
1230 2011-04-22 14:55:06 <djoot> da2ce7: could be, or every possible thing happens, o maybe just one random path
1231 2011-04-22 14:55:56 <djoot> 'random'
1232 2011-04-22 14:56:10 <kiba> many world intrepretation?
1233 2011-04-22 14:56:18 <da2ce7> yep, prob my fav
1234 2011-04-22 14:56:21 <djoot> sure, maybe :)
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1237 2011-04-22 14:56:54 <kiba> we are robots hijacked for the sake of spreading bitcoin
1238 2011-04-22 14:56:58 <da2ce7> every possibility is available, until you observe it
1239 2011-04-22 14:57:47 <da2ce7> the last observation dictates what happens in the past.
1240 2011-04-22 14:57:54 <djoot> bitcoin is skynet, we are the machines :)
1241 2011-04-22 14:58:41 <da2ce7> This view is quite compatible with a 'God,' as it would be the last observer, so it knows what is going to happen.
1242 2011-04-22 14:58:42 <kiba> bitcoin compells us to do very strange things
1243 2011-04-22 14:59:21 <kiba> like calculating difficult math problem for no other purpose than security
1244 2011-04-22 14:59:52 <da2ce7> bitcoin, is growing much stronger than people realize, in the communies hearts and minds.
1245 2011-04-22 15:00:00 <jaromil> wow this is kewl http://k0a1a.net/netless/
1246 2011-04-22 15:00:12 <jaromil> good inspiration
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1249 2011-04-22 15:01:25 <da2ce7> sound like a perfect thing for freenet.
1250 2011-04-22 15:01:34 <da2ce7> freenet, works in a p2p darknet style.
1251 2011-04-22 15:01:44 <da2ce7> can handel large latenceys.
1252 2011-04-22 15:01:46 <kiba> da2ce7: in the commie?
1253 2011-04-22 15:01:54 <da2ce7> nope?
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1255 2011-04-22 15:02:46 <da2ce7> netless could be used for lowbandwith-medium/low latency, and a sneaker-net can be use for highbandwith-highlatency
1256 2011-04-22 15:02:53 <da2ce7> freenet can support both of them
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1258 2011-04-22 15:04:07 <djoot> and disconnected groups of bitcoiners could maybe sync with them...
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1260 2011-04-22 15:04:14 <luke-jr> djoot and kiba are nuts
1261 2011-04-22 15:04:37 <wereHamster> I downloaded the latest bitcoin binary and now all my transactions are gone, the address book, too
1262 2011-04-22 15:05:51 <da2ce7> kiba, fuck that: "Netless", 2009 by Danja Vasiliev is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 Unported License.
1263 2011-04-22 15:07:00 <luke-jr> [10:53:26] <wereHamster> btw, is there an alternative gui client?
1264 2011-04-22 15:07:01 <luke-jr> wereHamster: yes
1265 2011-04-22 15:08:43 <djoot> luke-jr: for not believing in free will?
1266 2011-04-22 15:08:58 <kiba> robot don't wanna think they're just robots!
1267 2011-04-22 15:09:09 <kiba> admitely a robot that can relect on its own existence and its place in the universe
1268 2011-04-22 15:09:10 <djoot> luke-jr is a religious mystic!
1269 2011-04-22 15:09:42 <kiba> just because we don't have free will doesn't mean we don't have an autonomous existence
1270 2011-04-22 15:09:46 <da2ce7> luke-jr is tonal a religious mystic that plays amazing music!
1271 2011-04-22 15:10:03 <LtBrenton> hey guys, check this out - probably the first ever poem about Bitcoin --> http://poems-2-share.blog.co.uk/2011/04/22/bitcoining-11042593/
1272 2011-04-22 15:10:06 <kiba> nay
1273 2011-04-22 15:10:13 <kiba> being a robot ain't so bad
1274 2011-04-22 15:10:32 <wereHamster> ~/
1275 2011-04-22 15:10:48 <da2ce7> a bitbot!
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1277 2011-04-22 15:10:51 <luke-jr> djoot: for denying free will
1278 2011-04-22 15:10:53 <wereHamster> hey bot, at which block are we now?
1279 2011-04-22 15:11:00 <luke-jr> ;;bc,blocks
1280 2011-04-22 15:11:01 <gribble> 119604
1281 2011-04-22 15:11:11 <da2ce7> ;;gribble
1282 2011-04-22 15:11:11 <gribble> Here's a bitcoin wiki page about gribble: http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Gribble
1283 2011-04-22 15:11:24 <luke-jr> wereHamster: https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6273.0
1284 2011-04-22 15:11:25 <wereHamster> habe you still not figured out how to speed up the initial blockchain download?
1285 2011-04-22 15:11:38 <da2ce7> should say: Here's a bitcoin wiki page about me: http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Gribble
1286 2011-04-22 15:11:47 <djoot> luke-jr: what exactly is the will free from?
1287 2011-04-22 15:11:50 <kiba> free will is an illusion caused by the fact that we are complex machines
1288 2011-04-22 15:12:00 <da2ce7> lol
1289 2011-04-22 15:12:18 <kiba> da more complex it is, the more free will it possess
1290 2011-04-22 15:12:22 <da2ce7> well we are complex machines that use fuzzy logic
1291 2011-04-22 15:12:26 <kiba> but it's alla n illusion
1292 2011-04-22 15:12:43 <da2ce7> we are realy just virtual machines
1293 2011-04-22 15:12:50 <luke-jr> djoot: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06259a.htm#cat
1294 2011-04-22 15:13:08 <kiba> nobody wants to hear your religious irrationality
1295 2011-04-22 15:13:18 <da2ce7> kiba, you are to objective
1296 2011-04-22 15:13:22 <da2ce7> *too
1297 2011-04-22 15:13:36 <luke-jr> kiba: true religion is entirely rational.
1298 2011-04-22 15:13:52 * kiba rolleyes
1299 2011-04-22 15:14:01 * da2ce7 thinks kiba worships Ayn Rand.
1300 2011-04-22 15:14:47 <djoot> kiba: stephen wolfram argues that certain machines are of equal computational complexity, and shows examples of cellular automata that are universal, that is they can compute any computable calculation
1301 2011-04-22 15:15:35 <kiba> da2ce7: ya think I worships Ayn Rand?
1302 2011-04-22 15:15:37 <djoot> s/argues/proves/
1303 2011-04-22 15:16:04 <da2ce7> physics is an amazing computer, it can calculate everything down to the uncertanty required by it's laws
1304 2011-04-22 15:16:53 <LtBrenton> ** interesting link ** bitcoin poem @ http://poems-2-share.blog.co.uk/2011/04/22/bitcoining-11042593/
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1306 2011-04-22 15:17:02 <kiba> pesudorandom numbers are the result of computers having finite computational power?
1307 2011-04-22 15:17:16 <LtBrenton> wait this is -dev
1308 2011-04-22 15:17:18 <LtBrenton> sorry, wrong chan
1309 2011-04-22 15:17:22 <da2ce7> kiba, um, yes and no.
1310 2011-04-22 15:20:11 <da2ce7> if a computer had infinite computation power, it could calculate anything, so it could make an pseudorandom number is the limit approaching random.
1311 2011-04-22 15:20:34 <da2ce7> but true random comes from noise, such as radioactive decay
1312 2011-04-22 15:20:51 <wereHamster> or people :P
1313 2011-04-22 15:21:23 <da2ce7> ouch.
1314 2011-04-22 15:22:20 <kiba> compression is based on redundant information?
1315 2011-04-22 15:23:07 <djoot> what is true randomness though? you can have a completely predictable machine that produces a 'random' output, that can only be arrived at by calculating it. like the digits of pi I think
1316 2011-04-22 15:23:22 <wereHamster> will my transactions reappear once I have downloaded the full blockchain?
1317 2011-04-22 15:23:23 <djoot> maybe the randomness that we see is just a result of such a machine
1318 2011-04-22 15:23:54 <djoot> that is, the universe is a machine, that produces an unpredictable result, which is the randomness
1319 2011-04-22 15:26:28 <djoot> luke-jr: btw, I meant no offence when I called you a religious mystic, I think 99.9% of the people are religious mystics, so maybe I am the insane one... :)
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1321 2011-04-22 15:27:42 <da2ce7> *me dosn't ever mean any offence to anyone who isn't keynesian.
1322 2011-04-22 15:27:59 <da2ce7> *or evil.
1323 2011-04-22 15:28:02 <djoot> lol, that's almost the same percentage
1324 2011-04-22 15:28:19 <djoot> evil doesn't exist, it's religious mysticism :)
1325 2011-04-22 15:28:19 <da2ce7> *keynesian is a subset of evil
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1329 2011-04-22 15:29:11 <da2ce7> well it is bed-time for me.
1330 2011-04-22 15:29:29 <djoot> g'nite
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1335 2011-04-22 15:32:06 <luke-jr> djoot: I don't believe in random.
1336 2011-04-22 15:32:51 <djoot> luke-jr: well, I do believe that subject is up for debate, but I don't much care either way
1337 2011-04-22 15:33:36 <luke-jr> djoot: and to deny evil exists, is itself evil
1338 2011-04-22 15:33:37 <luke-jr> ;)
1339 2011-04-22 15:34:16 <kiba> evil is a human construction
1340 2011-04-22 15:34:30 <purplezky> tonal is also a human construction :)
1341 2011-04-22 15:34:48 <luke-jr> purplezky: so is decimal
1342 2011-04-22 15:34:59 <kiba> the universe have no underlying reasons to exist
1343 2011-04-22 15:35:01 <djoot> luke-jr: I look at 'evil' like this, agents have differing motivations, and some agents are enemies of other agents
1344 2011-04-22 15:35:01 <kiba> it just is
1345 2011-04-22 15:35:03 <purplezky> so is luke-jr ;)
1346 2011-04-22 15:35:20 <kiba> the states are enemies of bitcoin
1347 2011-04-22 15:35:34 <kiba> therefore
1348 2011-04-22 15:35:37 <djoot> states are enemies of humanity
1349 2011-04-22 15:35:55 <djoot> or rather, the belief in a state
1350 2011-04-22 15:35:56 <kiba> depending on which humans you're talking about, djoot
1351 2011-04-22 15:36:10 <luke-jr> States hold authority from God for the purpose of assisting the family and Church
1352 2011-04-22 15:36:19 <kiba> blahblahlbah
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1354 2011-04-22 15:36:38 <djoot> kiba: I would argue all, in the long run
1355 2011-04-22 15:37:11 <kiba> human beings are lazy about self-reflection
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1357 2011-04-22 15:38:03 <djoot> kiba: we could live for as long as we wanted soon enough if we were free from the religious mysticism that is the church and the state
1358 2011-04-22 15:38:37 <djoot> who wouldn't want that?, if they don't, screw them :)
1359 2011-04-22 15:39:02 <Blitzboom> luke-jr: you donât belong in this century
1360 2011-04-22 15:39:05 <Blitzboom> nor millenium
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1362 2011-04-22 15:39:11 <luke-jr> Blitzboom: I agree.
1363 2011-04-22 15:39:24 <djoot> the belief in a state is a mind virus, it makes individuals act against their own interests
1364 2011-04-22 15:39:28 <luke-jr> Blitzboom: obviously God disagrees, and He knows best.
1365 2011-04-22 15:39:33 <kiba> bitcoin is a mind virus too
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1367 2011-04-22 15:39:57 <luke-jr> djoot: belief in the individual is a mind virus
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1369 2011-04-22 15:40:35 <djoot> kiba: sure, but it probably is a symbiotic virus
1370 2011-04-22 15:40:51 <kiba> bitcoin's interest aligns with our own1
1371 2011-04-22 15:41:32 <luke-jr> only if it makes Tonal adoption easier
1372 2011-04-22 15:41:41 <kiba> nobody will adopts tonal
1373 2011-04-22 15:41:50 <kiba> tonal have no viral potential
1374 2011-04-22 15:41:53 <luke-jr> kiba: maybe you won't. but you'll die out.
1375 2011-04-22 15:41:54 <djoot> luke-jr: an individual is an abstraction created by the 'self' that feels very real to me, which is all that matters
1376 2011-04-22 15:42:07 <luke-jr> djoot: feelings are irrelevant.
1377 2011-04-22 15:42:11 <purplezky> kiba: it sure infected luke-jr ;)
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1379 2011-04-22 15:42:26 <djoot> luke-jr: feelings are all that matters...
1380 2011-04-22 15:42:29 <luke-jr> purplezky: no, I seeked it
1381 2011-04-22 15:42:36 <djoot> if anything does
1382 2011-04-22 15:42:37 <luke-jr> purplezky: I spent days searching for it
1383 2011-04-22 15:43:23 <luke-jr> then I finally found a Slashdot post mentioning it by name
1384 2011-04-22 15:43:32 <luke-jr> then another day to find the book
1385 2011-04-22 15:43:32 <djoot> feelings and the want of feelings are what motivates agents
1386 2011-04-22 15:44:09 <luke-jr> djoot: maybe you
1387 2011-04-22 15:44:22 <luke-jr> ideals and perfection motivate me
1388 2011-04-22 15:44:53 <purplezky> agents are motivated by their goals, goals can be measured with a fitness function, goals are based on their terms and conditions, their values.
1389 2011-04-22 15:45:23 <djoot> we all have our values, programmed into us by the universe, and we act accordingly
1390 2011-04-22 15:45:39 <luke-jr> djoot: we choose our values
1391 2011-04-22 15:46:00 <purplezky> in russia the values choose us :)
1392 2011-04-22 15:46:13 <djoot> luke-jr: you can choose to believe that, it really is irrelevant
1393 2011-04-22 15:46:26 * purplezky shouldn't use slashdot memes
1394 2011-04-22 15:49:09 <nanotube> purplezky: that's soviet russia. get your meme right! :)
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1397 2011-04-22 15:52:52 <kiba> hmm
1398 2011-04-22 15:52:58 <kiba> me like nice cleancode!
1399 2011-04-22 15:53:33 <djoot> Look at the spread of the mind viruses, and now states have taken over a lot of their 'function' and more: http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/history-of-religion.html
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1423 2011-04-22 16:33:32 <wereHamster> so, what's up with my transactions? I still don't see any
1424 2011-04-22 16:33:53 <wereHamster> do I need to downgrade to an older client? Did you change the file format?
1425 2011-04-22 16:33:55 <netxshare> did someone send you money?
1426 2011-04-22 16:34:05 <wereHamster> I had about 10 or so transactions
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1429 2011-04-22 16:34:19 <netxshare> you are using the correct wallet.dat?
1430 2011-04-22 16:34:20 <wereHamster> today I updated the client, and now all are gone
1431 2011-04-22 16:34:33 <netxshare> did you save your wallet?
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1435 2011-04-22 16:34:40 <wereHamster> save where?
1436 2011-04-22 16:34:47 <netxshare> the wallet.dat file
1437 2011-04-22 16:35:09 <wereHamster> save where?
1438 2011-04-22 16:35:21 <wereHamster> do I need to do that manually before exiting the client?
1439 2011-04-22 16:35:21 <netxshare> are you on windows?
1440 2011-04-22 16:35:24 <wereHamster> mac
1441 2011-04-22 16:35:27 <netxshare> okay
1442 2011-04-22 16:36:03 <netxshare> ~/Library/Application Support/Bitcoin/wallet.dat
1443 2011-04-22 16:36:06 <netxshare> that's where it's at
1444 2011-04-22 16:36:23 <netxshare> that holds all of your transactions and bitcoins
1445 2011-04-22 16:36:31 <netxshare> now
1446 2011-04-22 16:36:36 <netxshare> if you updated the client
1447 2011-04-22 16:36:44 <netxshare> it could have made a fresh wallet.dat
1448 2011-04-22 16:36:47 <netxshare> replacing your old one
1449 2011-04-22 16:36:54 <netxshare> I am not sure tho, I would not think that would happen
1450 2011-04-22 16:38:09 <xxxxxxx> go ahead and email me any files named wallet.dat on your computer and I'll fix them for you :P
1451 2011-04-22 16:38:45 <netxshare> haha
1452 2011-04-22 16:39:17 <xxxxxxx> man once normal ppl start using bitcoin there's gonna be a lot of money in bitcoin tech support
1453 2011-04-22 16:39:23 <netxshare> yeah
1454 2011-04-22 16:39:31 <wereHamster> can the client restore any missing transactions if I can restore an older version?
1455 2011-04-22 16:39:33 <netxshare> there will need to be a dumbed down version
1456 2011-04-22 16:39:49 <netxshare> if it overwrote your wallet.dat the money is gone
1457 2011-04-22 16:40:03 <wereHamster> even if I can restore an older version?
1458 2011-04-22 16:40:04 <xxxxxxx> maybe the client shoudl copy wallet.dat into random directories once an hour or something
1459 2011-04-22 16:40:11 <wereHamster> (damn I hate to repeat myself)
1460 2011-04-22 16:40:22 <netxshare> I would do this
1461 2011-04-22 16:40:25 <netxshare> back up wallet.dat
1462 2011-04-22 16:40:32 <xxxxxxx> wereHamster, you can only restore your wallet.dat if you still have the old file somewhere
1463 2011-04-22 16:40:32 <netxshare> go back to the old version
1464 2011-04-22 16:40:44 <wereHamster> .. captain obvious
1465 2011-04-22 16:41:03 <ArtForz> stupid question: did we change default datadir on mac?
1466 2011-04-22 16:41:21 <netxshare> I am not sure, I found that info on the forums
1467 2011-04-22 16:41:34 <netxshare> you could always do a search for wallet.dat
1468 2011-04-22 16:41:52 <ArtForz> beacuse I dont think bitcoin ever overwrites a existing wallet.dat
1469 2011-04-22 16:42:00 <netxshare> I would not think so
1470 2011-04-22 16:42:01 <xxxxxxx> wereHamster, find ~ -name wallet.dat
1471 2011-04-22 16:42:03 <netxshare> that would be a issue
1472 2011-04-22 16:42:36 <netxshare> I would have thought the bitcoin client would have a export wallet feature
1473 2011-04-22 16:42:42 <netxshare> with encrypt built in
1474 2011-04-22 16:42:44 <xxxxxxx> wats the consensus on encrypting wallets w a pwd by default in the official client ?
1475 2011-04-22 16:43:27 <netxshare> as bitcoin grows, you will bet there will be worms looking for wallet.dat
1476 2011-04-22 16:43:40 <xxxxxxx> gauranteed
1477 2011-04-22 16:43:55 <netxshare> that or just injecting packets
1478 2011-04-22 16:44:24 <ArtForz> injecting packets? wtf?
1479 2011-04-22 16:44:50 <xxxxxxx> to inject packets correclty its gonna have to read the wallet.dat anyway right ?
1480 2011-04-22 16:44:53 <xxxxxxx> to get the priv keys
1481 2011-04-22 16:45:04 <ArtForz> what?
1482 2011-04-22 16:45:08 <yebyen> you mean to send the money somewhere?
1483 2011-04-22 16:45:17 <netxshare> yeah, it would need access to wallet.dat anyways
1484 2011-04-22 16:45:19 <xxxxxxx> i think he meant change the TO address of txs
1485 2011-04-22 16:45:26 <yebyen> or the rpcpassword
1486 2011-04-22 16:45:39 <yebyen> ah
1487 2011-04-22 16:45:44 <netxshare> yeah to redirect where the money goes
1488 2011-04-22 16:45:46 <yebyen> to go more or less undetected for a little while
1489 2011-04-22 16:45:47 <netxshare> like if money came in
1490 2011-04-22 16:45:49 <edcba> redirect lol
1491 2011-04-22 16:45:49 <netxshare> send it right away
1492 2011-04-22 16:45:53 <yebyen> it would have to be existing transactions
1493 2011-04-22 16:45:58 <edcba> you can't
1494 2011-04-22 16:46:07 <xxxxxxx> it might be more likely that a worm just deletes wallet.dat files, to try to devalue bitcoins in favor of some competing network
1495 2011-04-22 16:46:09 <edcba> modify a transaction without knowing the private key
1496 2011-04-22 16:46:23 <xxxxxxx> since stealing them en mass would devalue ur new riches anyway
1497 2011-04-22 16:46:25 <yebyen> xxxxxxx: that would increase their value,
1498 2011-04-22 16:46:39 <yebyen> unless it really got most of the people
1499 2011-04-22 16:46:41 <xxxxxxx> yebyen, not if everyone says f bitcoin this crap isnt secure
1500 2011-04-22 16:47:07 <netxshare> stuxnet type aimed at bitcoin
1501 2011-04-22 16:47:11 <yebyen> thats kind of lame mentality
1502 2011-04-22 16:47:20 <edcba> all electronic money are vulnerable this way
1503 2011-04-22 16:47:21 <yebyen> "shit i can't trust my computer anymore, better not keep money there"
1504 2011-04-22 16:47:22 <netxshare> stuxnet type as in paid by goverments
1505 2011-04-22 16:47:24 <xxxxxxx> yebyen, most ppl in this world have a lame mentality :P
1506 2011-04-22 16:47:49 <yebyen> that same idea would keep me from storing cash in the house if i didn't trust my neighbors
1507 2011-04-22 16:47:58 <xxxxxxx> yebyen, way different
1508 2011-04-22 16:48:06 <edcba> the best you can do is creating some hardware dongle to keep your keys and sign transactions
1509 2011-04-22 16:48:13 <yebyen> not if the exchanges and the online wallets maintain security
1510 2011-04-22 16:48:13 <ArtForz> yep
1511 2011-04-22 16:48:27 <netxshare> lol
1512 2011-04-22 16:48:32 <yebyen> even if they steal your computer
1513 2011-04-22 16:48:33 <xxxxxxx> yea i think online wallets are the only way to go, for mainstream ppl
1514 2011-04-22 16:48:37 <yebyen> they only got your wallet
1515 2011-04-22 16:48:40 <netxshare> biotumbdrive
1516 2011-04-22 16:48:48 <netxshare> use gummby bears to attack it
1517 2011-04-22 16:48:56 <xxxxxxx> its too dangerous having that much money just sitting on personal computers
1518 2011-04-22 16:48:59 <yebyen> and all of your exchanges' saved passwords, anyway :)
1519 2011-04-22 16:49:01 <ArtForz> yebyen: ignoring evil maid attacks, keyloggers, ...
1520 2011-04-22 16:49:13 <yebyen> since you were dumb enough to get a worm
1521 2011-04-22 16:49:24 <yebyen> you probably saved all of your passwords in the browser cache too
1522 2011-04-22 16:49:29 <netxshare> the idea is normal people would use bitcoin some day
1523 2011-04-22 16:49:35 <netxshare> they get worms
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1525 2011-04-22 16:49:41 <xxxxxxx> having all bitcoin users passwords to their oline wallets isnt nearly as dangerous as having all their wallet.dat files
1526 2011-04-22 16:49:43 <ArtForz> they get pwned
1527 2011-04-22 16:49:44 <edcba> mainstream ppl should have some wallet livecd
1528 2011-04-22 16:49:55 <netxshare> why not just a bitcoin service
1529 2011-04-22 16:49:56 <netxshare> like paypal
1530 2011-04-22 16:49:58 <netxshare> login
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1532 2011-04-22 16:50:01 <netxshare> access your wallet
1533 2011-04-22 16:50:08 <netxshare> never need to run software
1534 2011-04-22 16:50:09 <ArtForz> worm install keylogger, grabs login, now what?
1535 2011-04-22 16:50:17 <edcba> because worms can't login to websites now :)
1536 2011-04-22 16:50:18 <netxshare> lol
1537 2011-04-22 16:50:37 <netxshare> let's face it, normal people will always have their money stolen by worms.
1538 2011-04-22 16:50:41 <ArtForz> they *already* do that for grabbing online banking credentials
1539 2011-04-22 16:50:43 <xxxxxxx> logging into a website with thousands of diff users and transfering their money to somewhere else is a much higher barrier of entry
1540 2011-04-22 16:50:49 <netxshare> aye
1541 2011-04-22 16:50:52 <xxxxxxx> than just doing it direclty over the bitcoin network because u have teir wallet.dats
1542 2011-04-22 16:50:52 <netxshare> big monies in that market
1543 2011-04-22 16:51:15 <ArtForz> xxxxxxx: what are you smoking?
1544 2011-04-22 16:51:18 <edcba> netxshare: unless some phone maker do some native bitcoin app
1545 2011-04-22 16:51:26 <DukeOfURL> hi, just joined. is there a vuln?
1546 2011-04-22 16:51:29 <ArtForz> no
1547 2011-04-22 16:51:29 <xxxxxxx> ArtForz, which part of that made you think im smoking? :)
1548 2011-04-22 16:51:44 <netxshare> so, would anyone use a closed source bitcoin client?
1549 2011-04-22 16:52:04 <edcba> DukeOfURL: yes there is !!!! *SELL* !!!!
1550 2011-04-22 16:52:05 <yebyen> craps table? :)
1551 2011-04-22 16:52:21 <yebyen> i'll start you with 10k bitcoins for $50
1552 2011-04-22 16:52:29 <yebyen> addressversion 2G
1553 2011-04-22 16:52:31 <luke-jr> netxshare: no
1554 2011-04-22 16:52:36 <edcba> mainstream ppl really don't care about closed/open source
1555 2011-04-22 16:52:42 <yebyen> you cant take them anywhere even if you get the wallet :)
1556 2011-04-22 16:52:50 <luke-jr> edcba: they should
1557 2011-04-22 16:52:57 <netxshare> I saw bitdollar
1558 2011-04-22 16:53:00 <netxshare> I think that's it
1559 2011-04-22 16:53:00 <luke-jr> especialyl for something liek bitcoin wallet
1560 2011-04-22 16:53:03 <netxshare> www.bitdollar.com
1561 2011-04-22 16:53:06 <netxshare> I think it's closed source
1562 2011-04-22 16:53:11 <ArtForz> the only way to keep a wallet secure on a untrusted machine is to have the wallet on a external dongle, like edcba said
1563 2011-04-22 16:53:12 <luke-jr> netxshare: I saw source posted
1564 2011-04-22 16:53:13 <netxshare> his beta is out
1565 2011-04-22 16:53:14 <wereHamster> can the client reconstruct the transactions if it has the private key or are the individual transactions also important?
1566 2011-04-22 16:53:15 <netxshare> oh okay
1567 2011-04-22 16:53:20 <edcba> luke-jr: they should care about electronic voting too...
1568 2011-04-22 16:53:22 <luke-jr> netxshare: my beta is out too :P
1569 2011-04-22 16:53:25 <netxshare> I thought it was weird
1570 2011-04-22 16:53:40 <netxshare> is yours a full client or does it just interface over json?
1571 2011-04-22 16:53:44 <xxxxxxx> ArtForz, yea i agree
1572 2011-04-22 16:54:01 <luke-jr> netxshare: both-ish
1573 2011-04-22 16:54:21 <luke-jr> netxshare: I am strongly opposed to having Wallet and GUI part of the same software
1574 2011-04-22 16:54:33 <luke-jr> netxshare: but Spesmilo will manage its own private bitcoind by default
1575 2011-04-22 16:54:41 <nanotube> wereHamster: wallet.dat contains your keypairs... so if you just delete block chain and redownload it... client will analyze the blocks as it gets them and pick out all tx that belong to your keys
1576 2011-04-22 16:54:48 <ArtForz> wouldnt need much hardware for that
1577 2011-04-22 16:54:59 <netxshare> well when I mean client I mean something that handles the network protcol not bitcoind
1578 2011-04-22 16:55:04 <wereHamster> nanotube: thanks. I managed to find an older version of my wallet :)
1579 2011-04-22 16:55:09 <nanotube> ok :)
1580 2011-04-22 16:55:27 <luke-jr> netxshare: "client" is too ambiguous âº
1581 2011-04-22 16:55:32 <luke-jr> netxshare: Spesmilo is a GUI
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1583 2011-04-22 16:55:51 <luke-jr> netxshare: phantomcircuit is working on a Python Wallet
1584 2011-04-22 16:55:53 <netxshare> yeah, I looked at that one
1585 2011-04-22 16:55:53 <wereHamster> how much in $ did I just almost lost (400 BC)?
1586 2011-04-22 16:56:00 <luke-jr> mtve is working on a Perl Wallet
1587 2011-04-22 16:56:17 <netxshare> cool
1588 2011-04-22 16:56:20 <luke-jr> wereHamster: 400 BTC is about 480 USD
1589 2011-04-22 16:56:27 <wereHamster> taht's quite a bit :)
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1591 2011-04-22 16:57:07 <netxshare> so it was in two different spots?
1592 2011-04-22 16:57:24 <nanotube> wereHamster: see ,,bc,mtgox
1593 2011-04-22 16:57:24 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.3,"low":1.15,"vol":40442,"buy":1.2669,"sell":1.2898,"last":1.2659}}
1594 2011-04-22 16:57:51 <netxshare> not bad
1595 2011-04-22 16:57:54 <luke-jr> whoa, up to 1.28 already
1596 2011-04-22 16:57:57 <wereHamster> netxshare: no, but apparently I haven't restored it after I reinstalled my computer
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1598 2011-04-22 16:58:02 <luke-jr> 506 USD then
1599 2011-04-22 16:58:09 <sipa> it was 1.3 earlier
1600 2011-04-22 16:58:21 <netxshare> well that 1.28 was a sell
1601 2011-04-22 16:58:24 <luke-jr> but it's a bubble
1602 2011-04-22 16:58:26 <netxshare> correct?
1603 2011-04-22 16:58:32 <luke-jr> market's gonna crash any day now
1604 2011-04-22 16:58:38 <netxshare> why do you say that?
1605 2011-04-22 16:58:42 <wereHamster> luke-jr: why do you thik that?
1606 2011-04-22 16:58:43 <xxxxxxx> luke-jr, to what price?
1607 2011-04-22 16:58:45 <luke-jr> because I want to buy a lot cheap
1608 2011-04-22 16:58:47 <luke-jr> <.<
1609 2011-04-22 16:58:50 <netxshare> rofl
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1611 2011-04-22 16:59:02 <netxshare> has there been a crash yet?
1612 2011-04-22 16:59:23 <lulzplzkthx> LOL
1613 2011-04-22 16:59:37 <lulzplzkthx> "And in latest news, the market was crashed... due to luke-jr."
1614 2011-04-22 16:59:47 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, currently im just getting dumb people in ##politics all worked up ^_^
1615 2011-04-22 17:00:00 <luke-jr> netxshare: yes
1616 2011-04-22 17:00:01 <lulzplzkthx> Oh wow, BTC Bubble is almost at a 50 BTC jackpot.
1617 2011-04-22 17:00:22 <phantomcircuit> i said one thing about pakistan nuking the us (lol) and they've beening going crazy for like 10 minutes
1618 2011-04-22 17:00:32 <netxshare> haha
1619 2011-04-22 17:00:37 <ArtForz> hmmm... a external "savings wallet" device wouldnt be too bad hardware wise, 8-bit micro w/ 1-2kB ram, 16kB or so flash, usb 1.1, 128B eeprom should be plenty, 15-seg or dot matrix lcd, 1x8 chars or so, 1 or 2 buttons
1620 2011-04-22 17:00:38 <luke-jr> netxshare: we broke 1 USD for a week in February
1621 2011-04-22 17:00:51 <luke-jr> then it fell under .7 by early April
1622 2011-04-22 17:00:59 <netxshare> art: I thought that that also
1623 2011-04-22 17:01:30 <lulzplzkthx> ArtForz: do it.
1624 2011-04-22 17:01:33 <netxshare> make a client for it too so it would have a protable bitcoin client
1625 2011-04-22 17:01:34 <luke-jr> netxshare: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#vzcvztgTzm1g10za2gWMAzm2g90
1626 2011-04-22 17:01:39 <netxshare> and would update the lcd
1627 2011-04-22 17:01:48 <yebyen> my asks are at 1.5
1628 2011-04-22 17:01:57 <yebyen> that will put me out
1629 2011-04-22 17:02:07 <yebyen> and up to triple my money, since i can't generate bitcoins
1630 2011-04-22 17:02:27 <yebyen> i invested $40 a while ago and $10 more when coinpal came on
1631 2011-04-22 17:02:57 <netxshare> cool
1632 2011-04-22 17:03:21 <netxshare> wonder how many people are automating buying and selling
1633 2011-04-22 17:03:51 <yebyen> current balances are at 74.1USD and 39.95BTC
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1635 2011-04-22 17:04:19 <yebyen> still not the 800 i need to cash out :x
1636 2011-04-22 17:04:45 <netxshare> going to buy a gpu?
1637 2011-04-22 17:04:48 <phantomcircuit> lulzplzkthx, rofl idiots
1638 2011-04-22 17:04:54 <jgarzik> yebyen: you can trade on #bitcoin-otc
1639 2011-04-22 17:05:05 <jgarzik> yebyen: that's how I obtain, and get rid of, mtgox-USD
1640 2011-04-22 17:05:07 <yebyen> netxshare: just got my tax returns, not a bad idea
1641 2011-04-22 17:05:14 lulzplzkthx is now known as zytter
1642 2011-04-22 17:05:17 <UukGoblin> PORTAL 2 PIECE OF SHIT FUCKING CRAP SHIT FUCK BItCH.
1643 2011-04-22 17:05:32 <netxshare> is it a cracked version?
1644 2011-04-22 17:05:37 <UukGoblin> NO!!!!
1645 2011-04-22 17:05:39 <netxshare> lol
1646 2011-04-22 17:05:45 <UukGoblin> if it was cracked it'd probably work.
1647 2011-04-22 17:05:45 <zytter> nick lulzplzkthx
1648 2011-04-22 17:05:51 <netxshare> that's what I was going to say
1649 2011-04-22 17:05:51 zytter is now known as lulzplzkthx
1650 2011-04-22 17:05:53 <lulzplzkthx> LMAO phantomcircuit
1651 2011-04-22 17:05:54 <ArtForz> there's your problem.
1652 2011-04-22 17:05:57 <luke-jr> lol
1653 2011-04-22 17:06:01 <lulzplzkthx> that made my day.
1654 2011-04-22 17:06:03 <UukGoblin> crackers usually do a better job at trying to get a game running that paid devs
1655 2011-04-22 17:06:17 <netxshare> and they don't have the source haha
1656 2011-04-22 17:06:22 <yebyen> paid devs are too busy making sure they get paid
1657 2011-04-22 17:06:36 <yebyen> to see that you actually get a working product :D
1658 2011-04-22 17:06:40 <lulzplzkthx> phantomcircuit: idk what they meant by my "real name". it's fine. maybe they meant my host... which is just a shell i connect from :S
1659 2011-04-22 17:06:44 <ArtForz> the devs really dont have much of a say in it
1660 2011-04-22 17:06:44 <yebyen> its my birthday!
1661 2011-04-22 17:06:50 <netxshare> valve is not that bad with products
1662 2011-04-22 17:06:54 <lulzplzkthx> happy birthday yebyen
1663 2011-04-22 17:06:55 <netxshare> much better then EA
1664 2011-04-22 17:07:14 <netxshare> the game just came out, there will be an update soon if there already has not been one
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1666 2011-04-22 17:07:20 <phantomcircuit> lulzplzkthx, dont worry about it they're about as smart as the stuff that gets stuck between your toes
1667 2011-04-22 17:07:25 <yebyen> lulzplzkthx: are you related to zytta?
1668 2011-04-22 17:07:31 <phantomcircuit> lulzplzkthx, better they have about as much irc powers too
1669 2011-04-22 17:07:34 <yebyen> the norwegian
1670 2011-04-22 17:07:43 <lulzplzkthx> no yebyen
1671 2011-04-22 17:07:50 <lulzplzkthx> lol
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1673 2011-04-22 17:08:07 <lulzplzkthx> I was asked to change my nick in another channel for a moment.
1674 2011-04-22 17:08:23 <lulzplzkthx> phantomcircuit: mibbit, yeah? XD
1675 2011-04-22 17:08:47 <ArtForz> it's usually publishers insisting on completely crazy drm schemes
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1677 2011-04-22 17:09:00 <netxshare> like always connected to the net
1678 2011-04-22 17:09:03 <ArtForz> yep
1679 2011-04-22 17:09:07 <netxshare> ping timeout - game crash
1680 2011-04-22 17:09:08 <ArtForz> valve/steam at least gets that mostly right
1681 2011-04-22 17:09:09 <ArtForz> yep
1682 2011-04-22 17:09:13 <netxshare> yeah
1683 2011-04-22 17:09:20 <netxshare> but I miss steam loader =/
1684 2011-04-22 17:09:28 <ArtForz> can't remember which game, lose net and it drops you to desktop
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1686 2011-04-22 17:09:38 <ArtForz> in. fucking. single. player.
1687 2011-04-22 17:09:48 <netxshare> I think it was um
1688 2011-04-22 17:09:58 <netxshare> theif
1689 2011-04-22 17:10:00 <netxshare> no
1690 2011-04-22 17:10:13 <yebyen> i only played the cracked version of thief
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1692 2011-04-22 17:10:16 <yebyen> haha
1693 2011-04-22 17:10:16 <ArtForz> really fun if you're on a not exactly rock-solid DSL line
1694 2011-04-22 17:10:19 <netxshare> assassins creed 2
1695 2011-04-22 17:10:46 <netxshare> I can see checking now and then
1696 2011-04-22 17:10:51 <netxshare> maybe every save
1697 2011-04-22 17:10:58 <netxshare> but they had ingame triggers for checks
1698 2011-04-22 17:10:59 <ArtForz> why?
1699 2011-04-22 17:11:07 <netxshare> well checking once on load
1700 2011-04-22 17:11:10 <netxshare> simple crack
1701 2011-04-22 17:11:15 <netxshare> would be point less to do
1702 2011-04-22 17:11:25 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, THQ
1703 2011-04-22 17:11:28 <ArtForz> iirc it was cracked on release day
1704 2011-04-22 17:11:37 <netxshare> assassins creed 2 took a while
1705 2011-04-22 17:11:44 <netxshare> because there was all these ingame triggers
1706 2011-04-22 17:11:51 <netxshare> so they would get it semi working
1707 2011-04-22 17:11:55 <netxshare> then crash randomly
1708 2011-04-22 17:12:09 <netxshare> because the code req code was different for each tigger
1709 2011-04-22 17:12:09 <ArtForz> oh yeah, that shit is also fun
1710 2011-04-22 17:12:24 <phantomcircuit> i always crack my games
1711 2011-04-22 17:12:27 <phantomcircuit> just so they work
1712 2011-04-22 17:12:31 <phantomcircuit> how ridiculous is that
1713 2011-04-22 17:12:36 <netxshare> it's sad
1714 2011-04-22 17:12:42 <ArtForz> I remember one RTS (homeworld ?) gave the AI infinite resources when it thought it was pirated
1715 2011-04-22 17:12:51 <netxshare> rofl
1716 2011-04-22 17:13:00 <ArtForz> and yes, I actually have a legit copy, it didn't like my CD drive though
1717 2011-04-22 17:13:09 <netxshare> ouch
1718 2011-04-22 17:13:31 <ArtForz> yep, *very* funny, asshats
1719 2011-04-22 17:13:39 <netxshare> I like how consoles only have so much protection
1720 2011-04-22 17:13:42 <yebyen> welp... my zpools are getting Input/Output errors, hope it goes away on a reboot, since scrub didn't do anything for me
1721 2011-04-22 17:13:42 <netxshare> and once that's up
1722 2011-04-22 17:13:46 <netxshare> time to make a new console
1723 2011-04-22 17:14:08 <netxshare> sony will have new consoles in 2014 I guess
1724 2011-04-22 17:14:26 <ArtForz> okay, that's a first
1725 2011-04-22 17:14:47 <ArtForz> ran out of memory on my opteron box
1726 2011-04-22 17:14:56 <netxshare> how much do you have in it?
1727 2011-04-22 17:15:01 <ArtForz> 32GB
1728 2011-04-22 17:15:05 <netxshare> rofl
1729 2011-04-22 17:15:09 <netxshare> memory leak eh?
1730 2011-04-22 17:15:11 <ArtForz> nope
1731 2011-04-22 17:15:23 <netxshare> what are you doing with it
1732 2011-04-22 17:15:40 <netxshare> I don't think I have even used up 6gb on my system
1733 2011-04-22 17:15:56 <ArtForz> usually sim runs
1734 2011-04-22 17:16:15 <netxshare> ah
1735 2011-04-22 17:17:16 <luke-jr> ArtForz: want to run Graphviz for me? :P
1736 2011-04-22 17:17:20 <ArtForz> usually spice, femm, ...
1737 2011-04-22 17:19:37 <ArtForz> in this case it was a plain PEBCAK
1738 2011-04-22 17:19:46 <yebyen> phew
1739 2011-04-22 17:20:08 <ArtForz> had spice run 89 parallel sims for monte-carlo analysis instead of 8
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1741 2011-04-22 17:21:41 <UukGoblin> ArtForz, hrm, btw, do you know if it's possible to get FEMM to compute an integral of torque via weighted stress tensor in magnetics problems around a point /different/ than (0,0)
1742 2011-04-22 17:21:45 <UukGoblin> ?
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1744 2011-04-22 17:22:55 <ArtForz> hmmm
1745 2011-04-22 17:23:03 <Pander> feature request for bitcoin application, provide clickable link in transaction detail dialogue to http://blockexplorer.com/
1746 2011-04-22 17:23:21 <luke-jr> Pander: lame
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1749 2011-04-22 17:25:16 <yebyen> i need to get zfs replication up and running
1750 2011-04-22 17:25:22 <yebyen> this is scary :)
1751 2011-04-22 17:25:44 <yebyen> 8 partitions, 100gb, problems mounting after a power failure
1752 2011-04-22 17:26:19 <phantomcircuit> lol
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1754 2011-04-22 17:27:50 <Pander> does soemthing like sqlitebrowser exist for berkeley db that is used in bitcoin application?
1755 2011-04-22 17:28:57 <nanotube> Pander: mmm not that i know of... but you could look around...
1756 2011-04-22 17:29:16 <Pander> I would like to understand the datamodel in the database
1757 2011-04-22 17:30:41 skyewm has joined
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1759 2011-04-22 17:31:25 * BlueMatt just finished Portal 2 :)
1760 2011-04-22 17:32:04 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: if you spoil it
1761 2011-04-22 17:32:05 <Diablo-D3> I
1762 2011-04-22 17:32:06 <Diablo-D3> will
1763 2011-04-22 17:32:07 <Diablo-D3> kill
1764 2011-04-22 17:32:08 <Diablo-D3> you
1765 2011-04-22 17:32:08 <wereHamster> oh wow, the difficulty has gone up in the last year...
1766 2011-04-22 17:32:27 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: well what happens is...
1767 2011-04-22 17:32:36 <Pander> what is/are the actual database file(s) in ~/.bitcoin?
1768 2011-04-22 17:32:51 <BlueMatt> Pander: database of what?
1769 2011-04-22 17:32:57 <BlueMatt> Pander: blocks == blk*
1770 2011-04-22 17:33:08 <BlueMatt> addresses/settings == wallet.dat
1771 2011-04-22 17:33:19 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: dont fuck with me dude. you know what happens when people fuck with me
1772 2011-04-22 17:33:25 <Pander> database of all transactions
1773 2011-04-22 17:33:43 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: the same thing that happens when someone says they dont like java?
1774 2011-04-22 17:33:51 <BlueMatt> Pander: that would be the block database in blk*
1775 2011-04-22 17:34:04 <Diablo-D3> BlueMatt: no, them I just yell at them because they're too retarded to live
1776 2011-04-22 17:34:27 <Pander> the __db* and database/log* are not essential?
1777 2011-04-22 17:34:51 <BlueMatt> Pander: yep
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1781 2011-04-22 17:37:37 <Pander> blkindex is kind of boring: >>> db = bsddb.btopen('./blkindex.dat','r')
1782 2011-04-22 17:37:39 <Pander> >>> db.keys()
1783 2011-04-22 17:37:40 <Pander> ['main']
1784 2011-04-22 17:37:42 <Pander> >>> db['main']
1785 2011-04-22 17:37:43 <Pander> '\x00\x00\x00\x02'
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1789 2011-04-22 17:42:39 <Pander> Mmm, can anyone help me get started on dumping/inspecting the Berekeley DB? I'm using http://docs.python.org/library/bsddb.html I get either errors or only one object called main and then I'm stuck. Sorry, load of experience with databases but this type is a bit a mystery to me
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1791 2011-04-22 17:46:46 <jgarzik> Pander: download gavin's bitcointools
1792 2011-04-22 17:47:57 <BlueMatt> speaking of which, anyone up for some portal 2 coop?
1793 2011-04-22 17:49:33 cenuij has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1794 2011-04-22 17:49:43 <Pander> jgarzik: thanks
1795 2011-04-22 17:50:20 Pander has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.16/20110323143040])
1796 2011-04-22 17:51:48 <gjs278> BlueMatt I'd join you but I would spawn portals under you and you'd tell me to stop trolling
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1805 2011-04-22 18:12:46 <ArtForz> nice, 1.33
1806 2011-04-22 18:12:57 <gavinandresen> Anybody know why I'm seeing a constant stream of ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCKs on the -testnet? Somebody with a GPU mining old testnet coins? Or is somebody experimenting with trying to overtake the chain with gazillions of low-difficulty blocks?
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1808 2011-04-22 18:13:14 <ArtForz> probbaly a testnet client still on the old chain
1809 2011-04-22 18:13:39 <ArtForz> or two
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1811 2011-04-22 18:17:22 <jgarzik> laptop w/ 8G memory, 500G disk at newegg for $869. not bad.
1812 2011-04-22 18:17:27 * jgarzik is looking for a bigmem laptop
1813 2011-04-22 18:17:41 <jgarzik> dell wants ~$3000 for a laptop with 16G RAM
1814 2011-04-22 18:18:08 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: what ArtForz said has long been my assumption
1815 2011-04-22 18:18:27 * BlueMatt gave up on high-spec laptops a while ago as just not worth it
1816 2011-04-22 18:18:30 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: there are definitely old testnet clients out there, wanting to give you blocks :)
1817 2011-04-22 18:19:05 <gavinandresen> yeah, it is annoying. Almost annoying enough for me to write code that says "disconnect client if they give me too many orphan blocks..."
1818 2011-04-22 18:19:36 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: well, this is the first case of two genesis blocks co-existing on the same IRC channel / TCP port / pchMessageStart
1819 2011-04-22 18:20:05 <gavinandresen> The NameCoin folks have their on genesis block / IRC channel / etc, yes?
1820 2011-04-22 18:20:23 <gavinandresen> ^on^own
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1822 2011-04-22 18:20:38 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: namecoin changes pchMessageStart, genesis block, P2P TCP port. I guess, but have not checked, IRC channel.
1823 2011-04-22 18:20:46 <jgarzik> namecoin did -not- change RPC TCP port
1824 2011-04-22 18:21:10 <gavinandresen> pchMessageStart is good enough, I suppose-- won't be getting orphan blocks from them
1825 2011-04-22 18:21:17 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: maybe testnet v3 should change pchMS?
1826 2011-04-22 18:22:00 <gavinandresen> Probably should, yeah.
1827 2011-04-22 18:23:49 <d2rkc0r3> How trivial would it be to modify the bitcoin source to forward all earnings to an address?
1828 2011-04-22 18:25:21 <jgarzik> d2rkc0r3: usually that's scripted via JSON-RPC
1829 2011-04-22 18:25:59 <brybot> Hey all, I am new here. I was wondering how long it typically takes, on average, to get lucky with mining bitcoins on a standard laptop processor?
1830 2011-04-22 18:26:18 <JFK911> -3 years
1831 2011-04-22 18:26:19 <d2rkc0r3> jgarzik: hmmm. could you explain? how much control over the client do you have from JSON?
1832 2011-04-22 18:26:19 <gavinandresen> brybot: three or four years
1833 2011-04-22 18:26:39 <gavinandresen> (assuming difficulty doesn't rise in that time. Which is a bad assumption)
1834 2011-04-22 18:26:52 <d2rkc0r3> ;;bc,calc 1000
1835 2011-04-22 18:26:53 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 12 years, 30 weeks, 0 days, 14 hours, 58 minutes, and 3 seconds
1836 2011-04-22 18:27:12 <luke-jr> how's this look? (probably needs a lot of correction still) https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Developers
1837 2011-04-22 18:27:14 <brybot> ouch. so its definitely not worth the electricity cost
1838 2011-04-22 18:27:32 <brybot> I guess I need a dedicated system that is geared towards mining to be effective?
1839 2011-04-22 18:27:53 <d2rkc0r3> brybot: not really. GPUs theses days can pull their own
1840 2011-04-22 18:28:11 <brybot> what is the average time for a GPU?
1841 2011-04-22 18:28:58 <brybot> I calculate that it would cost me $300 in electricity to run my laptop for 12 years. =(
1842 2011-04-22 18:28:59 <jgarzik> d2rkc0r3: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_Calls_list
1843 2011-04-22 18:29:09 <jgarzik> d2rkc0r3: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/API_reference_%28JSON-RPC%29
1844 2011-04-22 18:29:12 <ArtForz> ;;bc,calc 350000
1845 2011-04-22 18:29:13 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 350000 Khps, given current difficulty of 92347.59095209 , is 1 week, 6 days, 2 hours, 47 minutes, and 8 seconds
1846 2011-04-22 18:29:48 <d2rkc0r3> jgarzik: thanks. now I can RTFM
1847 2011-04-22 18:30:00 <ArtForz> see https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
1848 2011-04-22 18:30:03 <brybot> So how would I get started with a GPU mining system?
1849 2011-04-22 18:30:24 <ArtForz> iirc theres tutorials at http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?board=14.0
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1851 2011-04-22 18:31:09 <ArtForz> only cards really worth bothering nowadays are probably ati 5xxx and 6xxx series
1852 2011-04-22 18:31:36 <TD> well, unless you want to mine testnet blocks
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1854 2011-04-22 18:35:56 <brybot> lets see, i have a quadro of some sort on my laptop. desktop: nvdia 9500GT and a spare 8400 GS. how tough is it to mine on these for someone with no experience whatsoever?
1855 2011-04-22 18:36:09 <gjs278> they get very low rates
1856 2011-04-22 18:36:20 <gjs278> my 9600 gso only got about 9.5mhash
1857 2011-04-22 18:37:21 <phantomcircuit> brocktice, my Quadros 140M only got 4 mhash/s
1858 2011-04-22 18:37:27 <phantomcircuit> which is about what my i3 gets
1859 2011-04-22 18:38:03 <ArtForz> 9500 gt, about 6.5Mh/s or so
1860 2011-04-22 18:38:12 <brybot> well, at this point I am not ready to invest any hardware. I would just want to play around with it. according to the wiki chart the 9500GT would get around 6.75 mhash/s. im just wondering how much work it will take to configure it all.
1861 2011-04-22 18:38:34 <gjs278> install pocblm-gui and see if it shows up
1862 2011-04-22 18:38:41 <gjs278> poclbm*
1863 2011-04-22 18:38:49 <ArtForz> really not too bad, I think for nvidia you need a special driver with opencl support?
1864 2011-04-22 18:39:05 <gjs278> I didn't have to do anything for my nvidia
1865 2011-04-22 18:39:10 <gjs278> my ati was such a pain though
1866 2011-04-22 18:39:14 <gjs278> had to upgrade to sp3 for windows
1867 2011-04-22 18:39:31 <netxshare> are there any free bitcoin icon images?
1868 2011-04-22 18:39:36 <ArtForz> errr... who the fuck still runs xp sp2?
1869 2011-04-22 18:39:45 <phantomcircuit> ArtForz, read my mind
1870 2011-04-22 18:39:47 <netxshare> people who like worms
1871 2011-04-22 18:39:48 <gjs278> never needed to upgrade, never bothered
1872 2011-04-22 18:39:55 <ArtForz> why not stick with win2k then?
1873 2011-04-22 18:40:13 <gjs278> enjoy finding megaraid drivers to 2k
1874 2011-04-22 18:40:23 <gjs278> or ich10r
1875 2011-04-22 18:40:25 <ArtForz> usually if xp is supported, so is 2k
1876 2011-04-22 18:40:27 <gjs278> actually ich10r might be ok
1877 2011-04-22 18:40:39 <ArtForz> might take some inf hacking though
1878 2011-04-22 18:40:41 <gjs278> ich10r is retarded, it puts artificial limits on you
1879 2011-04-22 18:40:42 <brybot> windows only? only my laptop runs windows. is there much support for say ubuntu?
1880 2011-04-22 18:40:42 <gjs278> yeah
1881 2011-04-22 18:40:51 <ArtForz> only problematic stuff is usually wifi
1882 2011-04-22 18:41:09 <ArtForz> xp drivers for most other hardware still work on win2k
1883 2011-04-22 18:41:19 <gjs278> yeah
1884 2011-04-22 18:41:37 <gjs278> thankfully intel has the dump option where you can force install if you know better than their installer
1885 2011-04-22 18:42:10 <ArtForz> and wifi I can understand, as the ndis model for wireless stuff changed from 5.0 to 5.1
1886 2011-04-22 18:42:51 <ArtForz> I still have to deal with 2k on a few semi-embedded machines
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1888 2011-04-22 18:46:45 <brybot> well apparently I don't have opencl. I'll have to figure it out later. thanks for the help. I'll probably be back later with more questions
1889 2011-04-22 18:47:08 <brocktice> phantomcircuit: wrong autocomplete or what?
1890 2011-04-22 18:47:17 <brocktice> I haven't actually talked in this channel for weeks
1891 2011-04-22 18:47:37 <ArtForz> yea
1892 2011-04-22 18:47:40 <brocktice> Oh ArtForz while you're here, I have a power supply death problem
1893 2011-04-22 18:47:49 <ArtForz> he meant brybot I guess
1894 2011-04-22 18:47:53 <brocktice> must have
1895 2011-04-22 18:48:07 <brocktice> I have a 12V 30A PSU for my reprap that came with a kit
1896 2011-04-22 18:48:18 <brocktice> sometimes it starts hissing and ticking and the voltage drops from 12 to 8 or even 6.
1897 2011-04-22 18:48:21 <brocktice> Any idea what that might be?
1898 2011-04-22 18:48:26 <ArtForz> that sounds bad
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1900 2011-04-22 18:48:31 <brocktice> I just replaced it with my old 1000W psu but I'm curious.
1901 2011-04-22 18:48:38 <ArtForz> how old is it?
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1903 2011-04-22 18:48:45 <brocktice> that PSU? Practically new
1904 2011-04-22 18:48:52 <brocktice> I found it on amazan, it's really cheap though.
1905 2011-04-22 18:48:57 <brocktice> It's nice because it has screw terminals
1906 2011-04-22 18:48:59 <brybot> ArtForz: who meant "brybot"
1907 2011-04-22 18:49:06 <brocktice> phantomcircuit did
1908 2011-04-22 18:49:14 <brocktice> 13:22 < phantomcircuit> brocktice, my Quadros 140M only got 4 mhash/s
1909 2011-04-22 18:49:30 <brocktice> that is really funny by the way
1910 2011-04-22 18:49:32 <brocktice> those aren't cheap
1911 2011-04-22 18:49:42 <ArtForz> hmmm, my first guess would be caps on the secondary side
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1915 2011-04-22 18:50:13 <ArtForz> but thats kinda weird for a nearly new PSU
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1918 2011-04-22 18:50:44 <ArtForz> bad solder joint is always an option
1919 2011-04-22 18:51:01 <brocktice> yeah I was going to take it apart but the kit provider might want to return it to the mfgr
1920 2011-04-22 18:51:05 <brocktice> so I'm waiting
1921 2011-04-22 18:51:11 <ArtForz> yeah
1922 2011-04-22 18:51:23 <ArtForz> why not get a good 12V psu? they're not really *that* expensive?
1923 2011-04-22 18:51:44 <brocktice> ArtForz: it's this: http://www.amazon.com/Universal-Regulated-Switching-Computer-Project/dp/B004CIW8LA/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1303498065&sr=8-8
1924 2011-04-22 18:52:00 * brocktice shrugs
1925 2011-04-22 18:52:25 <brocktice> he's probably trying to keep cost of the kit down, and anyway I have a perfectly good $200 1000W PSU sitting around with a melted 12V pin connector :)
1926 2011-04-22 18:52:33 <ArtForz> yeah, something like that
1927 2011-04-22 18:52:42 <brocktice> that's the one that failed
1928 2011-04-22 18:52:45 <ArtForz> just from a more reputable mfg
1929 2011-04-22 18:52:49 <brocktice> ah
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1932 2011-04-22 18:53:12 <ArtForz> this is basically the "$20 500W" of industrial psus
1933 2011-04-22 18:53:18 <brocktice> heh
1934 2011-04-22 18:53:31 <brocktice> I noticed that other 12V psus with that current rating on Amazon are more like $80 or $100
1935 2011-04-22 18:55:47 <ArtForz> sec, lemme find it...
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1937 2011-04-22 18:57:47 <Diablo-D3> uh
1938 2011-04-22 18:57:49 <Diablo-D3> why would you eve
1939 2011-04-22 18:57:51 <Diablo-D3> buy
1940 2011-04-22 18:57:58 <Diablo-D3> computer hardware on amazon
1941 2011-04-22 18:58:48 <netxshare> a lot of people do
1942 2011-04-22 18:59:37 <Diablo-D3> thats dumb
1943 2011-04-22 18:59:38 <Diablo-D3> use newegg
1944 2011-04-22 19:00:47 <brocktice> fast shipping
1945 2011-04-22 19:00:51 <brocktice> also that's not computer hardware
1946 2011-04-22 19:00:57 <brocktice> Usually I use newegg
1947 2011-04-22 19:01:05 <brocktice> but I can get stuff from amazon next day for $4.
1948 2011-04-22 19:01:11 <brocktice> so it depends on how much of a rush I'm in
1949 2011-04-22 19:01:39 <gjs278> superbiiz is slow as hell but they sometimes have better prices so if I don't care I buy it from them
1950 2011-04-22 19:01:44 slueth has joined
1951 2011-04-22 19:02:04 <slueth> what happens if you send bitcoins to an address that doesn't exist?
1952 2011-04-22 19:02:15 x6763 has joined
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1954 2011-04-22 19:03:25 <ArtForz> yeah, a decent one is about $100
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1959 2011-04-22 19:05:17 <ArtForz> "decent" as in "from a manfuacturer I ever heard about" and "load rated for continous at 45 or 50°C ambient and with more than 3 months warranty" ;)
1960 2011-04-22 19:06:29 alkor has quit (Quit: alkor)
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1963 2011-04-22 19:09:30 <dbitcoin> ;;bc,stats
1964 2011-04-22 19:09:32 <gribble> Current Blocks: 119637 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 1322 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 12 hours, 32 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 99601.16323832
1965 2011-04-22 19:09:55 <yrral1_> slueth: if someone generates that public/private key pair they get free bitcoins!
1966 2011-04-22 19:10:19 <slueth> hah weird
1967 2011-04-22 19:10:54 <slueth> I don't really understand the status: it says 2/unconfirmed what does that mean?
1968 2011-04-22 19:10:56 <JFK911> 100,000 difficulty come on
1969 2011-04-22 19:11:04 <JFK911> slueth: for your send?
1970 2011-04-22 19:11:07 <ArtForz> JFK911: we'll easily hit that
1971 2011-04-22 19:11:14 <JFK911> ArtForz: no thanks to you
1972 2011-04-22 19:11:15 <JFK911> :P
1973 2011-04-22 19:11:22 <slueth> Yea it was for my send.
1974 2011-04-22 19:11:25 <ArtForz> I didnt add any hashrate last weeks
1975 2011-04-22 19:11:33 <yrral1_> are we going to hit 1.5 usd/btc today?
1976 2011-04-22 19:11:36 <ArtForz> my current guess is ~104k nextdiff
1977 2011-04-22 19:11:41 <phantomcircuit> slueth, transactions aren't confirmed until they're included in 6 blocks, so far your transaction is only in 2
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1979 2011-04-22 19:11:56 <BlueMatt> anyone able to reproduce http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6189.msg92312#msg92312 ?
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1983 2011-04-22 19:18:37 <edcba> ok the real problem of bitcoin is that 10 minutes choice i think
1984 2011-04-22 19:21:31 <Kiba> there's a reason for that
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1989 2011-04-22 19:28:04 <Kiba> hello
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1991 2011-04-22 19:30:22 <TD> phantomcircuit: you can spend after 1, i think.
1992 2011-04-22 19:30:37 <TD> phantomcircuit: the 6 blocks thing is just a gui decision
1993 2011-04-22 19:30:43 <JackRabiit> Hey guys, we need more players to play Poker on Betco.in, We've got 2 people on Leayrnys .02-.04-No Limit, come play please!
1994 2011-04-22 19:31:55 <Kiba> so the market cap is now 8 million dollars
1995 2011-04-22 19:32:12 <JackRabiit> What?
1996 2011-04-22 19:32:14 <JackRabiit> they changed it?
1997 2011-04-22 19:32:15 <Kiba> still a puny economy
1998 2011-04-22 19:32:29 <JackRabiit> doesnt that mean that Bitcoin is now a Fiat-like currency?
1999 2011-04-22 19:32:36 <Kiba> the bitcoin economy's market cap is 8 million dollars based on latest price
2000 2011-04-22 19:32:40 <Kiba> JackRabiit: hmm?
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2002 2011-04-22 19:33:06 <ArtForz> JackRabiit: huh?
2003 2011-04-22 19:33:13 <Kiba> ff
2004 2011-04-22 19:33:15 <Kiba> hmm
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2009 2011-04-22 19:46:51 <phantomcircuit> TD, yes that's true
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2025 2011-04-22 20:08:48 <mbarkhau> hi
2026 2011-04-22 20:09:30 <mbarkhau> is there any way to add aditional information to a transaction
2027 2011-04-22 20:09:37 <mbarkhau> ?
2028 2011-04-22 20:11:03 <mbarkhau> more abstractly: as a seller i want to be sure that a transaction is from a certain person, so i give him a secret that he should put in the transaction
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2031 2011-04-22 20:15:39 <brybot> can anyone explain what I need to do to get opencl so that I can use poclbm-gui?
2032 2011-04-22 20:18:07 <khalahan> mbarkhau > it is not possible
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2036 2011-04-22 20:23:05 <slueth> brybot: what gfx card do you have?
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2040 2011-04-22 20:26:53 <EvanR> awesome
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2043 2011-04-22 20:29:03 <mizerydearia> booooo http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6303
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2046 2011-04-22 20:30:46 <nanotube> mizerydearia: not a great idea to try to force it on people.
2047 2011-04-22 20:30:49 <nanotube> if they're not interested, their loss.
2048 2011-04-22 20:30:55 <mizerydearia> nanotube, I'm not forcing.
2049 2011-04-22 20:31:01 <mizerydearia> I agree, their loss.
2050 2011-04-22 20:31:16 <slueth> mizerydearia: um, kinda weird that you are contacting people in that way.
2051 2011-04-22 20:31:31 <slueth> but your free to send me 2 bitcoins :)
2052 2011-04-22 20:31:49 <EvanR> mizerydearia: hahaha this convo is hilarious
2053 2011-04-22 20:31:57 <mizerydearia> slueth, Oh? I compiled list of 240 ip addresses from http://maps.google.com/maps?q=https://smsz.net/btcStats/bitcoin.kml and compared to my IRC logs.
2054 2011-04-22 20:32:07 <mizerydearia> ^_^
2055 2011-04-22 20:32:36 <EvanR> but it sounds like youre trying to run a pyramid scheme
2056 2011-04-22 20:32:42 <mizerydearia> huh?
2057 2011-04-22 20:32:43 <Blitzboom> ^
2058 2011-04-22 20:32:51 <mizerydearia> how so?
2059 2011-04-22 20:32:56 <Cusipzzz> it's not a pyramd scheme? oh..
2060 2011-04-22 20:33:06 <EvanR> thats how those people talk
2061 2011-04-22 20:33:06 <mizerydearia> wait, what are we talking about in reference to "it?"
2062 2011-04-22 20:33:14 <EvanR> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6303
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2064 2011-04-22 20:33:18 <mizerydearia> a micro-party is a pyramid scheme too?
2065 2011-04-22 20:33:35 <EvanR> first they get your info then they ask if youre interested then they persist then they offer you money
2066 2011-04-22 20:33:41 <mizerydearia> lawl
2067 2011-04-22 20:34:51 <KuT-Sickness> what is your point in doing this anyway?
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2072 2011-04-22 20:37:17 <brybot> I was wondering, are the blocks completely randomly being generated? Does my miner have any method to make sure its not generating the same hashes/blocks over time?
2073 2011-04-22 20:37:37 <PovAddict> I think it does
2074 2011-04-22 20:37:57 <PovAddict> however, there's no mechanism to ensure multiple computers you own are working on different parts of the keyspace
2075 2011-04-22 20:38:38 <PovAddict> dedicated mining apps may have such thing tho
2076 2011-04-22 20:38:56 <ArtForz> the "random" part is 256 bits
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2078 2011-04-22 20:39:18 <ArtForz> a collision in a 256 bit space is very *very* unlikely
2079 2011-04-22 20:39:32 <PovAddict> ArtForz: unless the PRNG sucks
2080 2011-04-22 20:39:52 <ArtForz> if it does, anything using openssl is in deep shit
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2086 2011-04-22 20:49:35 <JackRabiit> Anyone wanna play with me on Lyearnys .02-.04 NoLimit?
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2090 2011-04-22 20:53:04 <luke-jr> mizerydearia: that map fails
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2093 2011-04-22 21:00:54 <mizerydearia> Okay, #noisebridge is saying bitcoin is fail
2094 2011-04-22 21:01:02 <mizerydearia> Noisebridge of San Francisco
2095 2011-04-22 21:01:09 <mizerydearia> How is that even possible?
2096 2011-04-22 21:01:16 <mizerydearia> Aren't they geeks and tech savvy just like us?
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2098 2011-04-22 21:01:40 <nanotube> what's noisebridge?
2099 2011-04-22 21:01:47 <mizerydearia> Hackerspace in SF
2100 2011-04-22 21:02:24 <mizerydearia> <fsargent> mizerydearia: I will break this down for you
2101 2011-04-22 21:02:25 <mizerydearia> <fsargent> Bitcoin is fail because it's a limited system.
2102 2011-04-22 21:02:27 <mizerydearia> How do I respond to that?
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2104 2011-04-22 21:02:37 <mizerydearia> Anyone care to join the convo?
2105 2011-04-22 21:04:28 <PovAddict> he has given no argument at all, so... :P
2106 2011-04-22 21:04:33 <gjs278> tell them about the decimal points
2107 2011-04-22 21:05:29 <Kiba> my attempt to loudly advertise...
2108 2011-04-22 21:05:34 <Kiba> bitcoinweekly
2109 2011-04-22 21:05:44 <Kiba> is met with a small whimper
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2111 2011-04-22 21:06:15 <Kiba> there are thousand of things hawking their product...
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2115 2011-04-22 21:09:09 <mizerydearia> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6308
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2118 2011-04-22 21:10:58 <marksmadness> any of of you 'dev' guys know about overclocking?
2119 2011-04-22 21:11:12 <marksmadness> (kidding about the 'dev' part)
2120 2011-04-22 21:11:39 <marksmadness> serious about overclocking though...
2121 2011-04-22 21:11:42 <Kiba> mizerydearia: rejection is normal
2122 2011-04-22 21:11:49 <marksmadness> hahaha
2123 2011-04-22 21:11:53 <marksmadness> happy friday yall!
2124 2011-04-22 21:12:00 <marksmadness> i am trying to fix something
2125 2011-04-22 21:12:04 <slueth> what are you overclocking?
2126 2011-04-22 21:12:13 <marksmadness> because... BTC is fregggin EXPLODING!
2127 2011-04-22 21:12:20 <marksmadness> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6304.0
2128 2011-04-22 21:12:23 <Kiba> if people don't reject it, bitcoin would already replace the world's currencies
2129 2011-04-22 21:12:33 <dick> this is a great moment to be alive
2130 2011-04-22 21:12:40 <luke-jr> Kiba: so we should spam random people about it?
2131 2011-04-22 21:12:42 <marksmadness> Kiba::: I am with you...
2132 2011-04-22 21:13:03 <dick> solidarity
2133 2011-04-22 21:13:17 <marksmadness> today BTC hit 1.40
2134 2011-04-22 21:13:21 <marksmadness> WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2135 2011-04-22 21:14:19 <Warlord> ?
2136 2011-04-22 21:14:28 <dick> omg
2137 2011-04-22 21:15:11 <Warlord> [02:08:51] <Kiba> if people don't reject it, bitcoin would already replace the world's currencies
2138 2011-04-22 21:15:26 <Warlord> bitcoin is > than gold/silver?
2139 2011-04-22 21:15:28 <Warlord> =|
2140 2011-04-22 21:15:50 <dick> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/bitcoin-adopted-as-japanese-national-currency-131484
2141 2011-04-22 21:15:53 <dick> omg
2142 2011-04-22 21:16:02 <Warlord> 404
2143 2011-04-22 21:16:10 <BlueMatt> lol, we all wish
2144 2011-04-22 21:16:12 <dick> must be something up with your browser
2145 2011-04-22 21:16:22 <Kiba> LOL
2146 2011-04-22 21:16:22 <Warlord> nop
2147 2011-04-22 21:16:25 <Warlord> server side
2148 2011-04-22 21:16:26 <Warlord> =P
2149 2011-04-22 21:16:46 <marksmadness> MAJORITY of GOld and silver are OWNED....
2150 2011-04-22 21:16:51 <marksmadness> BTC are NOT.
2151 2011-04-22 21:17:08 <Kiba> ALL btc are owned
2152 2011-04-22 21:17:33 <marksmadness> easy to manipulate...
2153 2011-04-22 21:17:43 <marksmadness> nope
2154 2011-04-22 21:17:52 <marksmadness> who OWNS the Maj. of BTC?
2155 2011-04-22 21:17:58 <Warlord> what good is btc when you have no internet connection
2156 2011-04-22 21:18:05 <Warlord> :P
2157 2011-04-22 21:18:09 dick is now known as lumos
2158 2011-04-22 21:18:09 <marksmadness> anyone know?
2159 2011-04-22 21:18:23 <marksmadness> WHO OWNS THE MAJORITY OF BTC?
2160 2011-04-22 21:18:26 <slueth> The creator of bitcoins
2161 2011-04-22 21:18:30 <marksmadness> who?
2162 2011-04-22 21:18:37 <slueth> He mined some of the bitcoins before the released it.
2163 2011-04-22 21:18:40 <marksmadness> Satoshi?
2164 2011-04-22 21:18:44 <slueth> Yep.
2165 2011-04-22 21:18:46 <marksmadness> hahaha
2166 2011-04-22 21:18:48 <lumos> do you think thats why he delayed publicizing it
2167 2011-04-22 21:18:50 <lumos> its a fine balance
2168 2011-04-22 21:19:05 <nanotube> lumos: no, he publicized it about the same time as the first block was created.
2169 2011-04-22 21:19:09 <marksmadness> ok...so 7M are out now?
2170 2011-04-22 21:19:10 <slueth> He probably was testing the system and kept some for himself for $$
2171 2011-04-22 21:19:15 <nanotube> ;;bc,totalbc
2172 2011-04-22 21:19:15 <gribble> 5982450.00000000
2173 2011-04-22 21:19:15 <marksmadness> 14Mil more to be mined?
2174 2011-04-22 21:19:17 <lumos> nanotube, in a very limited way
2175 2011-04-22 21:19:28 <lumos> how much of the mining does mystery miner account for
2176 2011-04-22 21:19:40 <BlueMatt> lumos: none now
2177 2011-04-22 21:20:38 <mizerydearia> <slueth> He mined some of the bitcoins before the released it. ?? he did? see nanotube's comment.
2178 2011-04-22 21:20:41 <BlueMatt> lumos: he announced it in the most hes ever announced it he posted about it. He was working on the code, not on publicizing it...also satoshi isnt exactly a people person
2179 2011-04-22 21:20:54 <Warlord> what site do you suggest for bt mining anyway? :P
2180 2011-04-22 21:21:08 <lumos> one good point of decentralisation, every man being his own bank, is that it removes the complexity of a system like a bank, too much complexity to compute, too many interacting variables, the outliers have more extreme consequences. so decentralisation may be immediately less efficient but overall better
2181 2011-04-22 21:21:44 <lumos> BlueMatt, I know, but that doesn't negate my point
2182 2011-04-22 21:22:24 <marksmadness> With the diff at 100.... how much are those who have the big gun able to mine a day?
2183 2011-04-22 21:22:29 <BlueMatt> lumos: it negates the entire tone of your point. you were suggesting that satoshi was malicious in intent which he in no way was, its not his strong suit
2184 2011-04-22 21:22:31 <Blitzboom> lumos: yes, you are right. he shouldâve knocked on everyoneâs door and told of this new decentralized currency
2185 2011-04-22 21:22:38 <Kiba> there are things worse than rejection: overwhelming silence
2186 2011-04-22 21:22:49 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: prove he wasn't malicious
2187 2011-04-22 21:23:03 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: read the comments please
2188 2011-04-22 21:23:04 <Blitzboom> who cares, luke-jr?
2189 2011-04-22 21:23:08 <lumos> Blitzboom, how is it malicious, he mined money didnt he?
2190 2011-04-22 21:23:34 <Blitzboom> why the hell should it be? he made a decentralized currency
2191 2011-04-22 21:23:44 <Blitzboom> and he deserves a nice batch of them
2192 2011-04-22 21:23:45 <BlueMatt> lumos: I assume you meant me I was referring to YOUR COMMENT which implied he had malicious intent by mining
2193 2011-04-22 21:23:54 <lumos> Blitzboom, he could have done alot more to publcize it
2194 2011-04-22 21:23:56 <luke-jr> Blitzboom: I don't care. just saying there's no reason to think he wasn't
2195 2011-04-22 21:24:09 <Blitzboom> lumos: e.g.?
2196 2011-04-22 21:24:10 <lumos> BlueMatt, yes sorry
2197 2011-04-22 21:24:31 <Blitzboom> do you really think anyone wouldâve cared for bitcoin at that stage?
2198 2011-04-22 21:24:34 <BlueMatt> lumos: my point is he really count have, afaict he isnt that great at that kind of stuff
2199 2011-04-22 21:24:39 <Blitzboom> anyone except those who participated anyway
2200 2011-04-22 21:24:40 <lumos> Blitzboom, contacted magazines, hired animators to make videos, posted shitloads
2201 2011-04-22 21:24:41 <marksmadness> friends... no time for controversy
2202 2011-04-22 21:24:50 <marksmadness> me are all devs!
2203 2011-04-22 21:24:51 <lumos> Blitzboom, hired people to do this for him
2204 2011-04-22 21:24:54 <luke-jr> lumos: he wasn't rich back then
2205 2011-04-22 21:24:56 <marksmadness> we
2206 2011-04-22 21:24:58 <Blitzboom> lol, you are assuming he has had money
2207 2011-04-22 21:25:07 <lumos> luke-jr, how do you know this?
2208 2011-04-22 21:25:15 <marksmadness> what is 'money'?
2209 2011-04-22 21:25:24 <BlueMatt> lumos: we dont, but you are assuming
2210 2011-04-22 21:25:24 <luke-jr> lumos: ok, he was much less rich back then, than he is now, at least
2211 2011-04-22 21:25:30 <lumos> when people make a business, they take out loans
2212 2011-04-22 21:25:33 <lumos> for this kind of thing
2213 2011-04-22 21:25:38 <luke-jr> lumos: he didn't make a business
2214 2011-04-22 21:25:42 <BlueMatt> he wasnt making a businesss
2215 2011-04-22 21:25:45 <BlueMatt> not even close
2216 2011-04-22 21:25:48 <lumos> luke-jr, but this is very much going to make him a profit
2217 2011-04-22 21:25:55 <luke-jr> lumos: yep
2218 2011-04-22 21:26:00 <BlueMatt> lumos: that was never the intent
2219 2011-04-22 21:26:03 <lumos> luke-jr, i'm likeninng it
2220 2011-04-22 21:26:05 <lumos> no
2221 2011-04-22 21:26:06 <lumos> but
2222 2011-04-22 21:26:12 <luke-jr> lumos: ok, he did make a business, but without a loan probably
2223 2011-04-22 21:26:15 <BlueMatt> the intent was to make a currency that is decentralized he just happened to make a bit
2224 2011-04-22 21:26:19 <luke-jr> you don't need loans to make a business
2225 2011-04-22 21:26:29 <marksmadness> what is a 'loan' or a 'bank'? anyone know the US code here?
2226 2011-04-22 21:26:29 <luke-jr> in this case, if he took out a loan, he would have LESS profits
2227 2011-04-22 21:26:34 <marksmadness> ha
2228 2011-04-22 21:26:45 <lumos> dude i wasn't saying HE WAS DOING THIS, i put that out as a speculation, i think his intentions are pretty clear from the genesis block
2229 2011-04-22 21:27:04 <BlueMatt> lumos: then wtf are you saying?????
2230 2011-04-22 21:27:15 <marksmadness> http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode28/usc_sec_28_00003002----000-.html
2231 2011-04-22 21:27:17 <luke-jr> what happens if the courts uphold the Times copyright on the Genesis block coinbase?
2232 2011-04-22 21:27:20 <marksmadness> that
2233 2011-04-22 21:27:37 <Blitzboom> then satoshi shall be executed
2234 2011-04-22 21:27:46 <Blitzboom> good luck finding him
2235 2011-04-22 21:27:52 <lumos> BlueMatt, i just said it, man why you so pissy
2236 2011-04-22 21:27:55 <BlueMatt> marksmadness: Im pretty sure that has nothing to do with this discussion
2237 2011-04-22 21:28:00 <marksmadness> or this: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode15/usc_sec_15_00001692---g000-.html
2238 2011-04-22 21:28:09 <lumos> BlueMatt, is this an interrogation
2239 2011-04-22 21:28:11 <luke-jr> Blitzboom: and everyone using Bitcoin
2240 2011-04-22 21:28:35 <marksmadness> BlueMatt... are we talking about 'currency' here are are we talking about dev one?
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2242 2011-04-22 21:28:43 <marksmadness> ?
2243 2011-04-22 21:28:50 <BlueMatt> lumos: you said satoshi made a currency to get rich and are making him out to be someone he wasnt. Which is not even close to true...then you came out and contradicted yourself
2244 2011-04-22 21:28:53 <BlueMatt> hence my confusion
2245 2011-04-22 21:29:18 <lumos> BlueMatt, no i said 'do you think he did this', difference
2246 2011-04-22 21:29:21 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: you don't know that wasn't his intent.
2247 2011-04-22 21:29:23 <marksmadness> satoshi created a platform
2248 2011-04-22 21:29:31 <marksmadness> linus created a platform
2249 2011-04-22 21:29:40 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: no but judging from what we know, it probably wasnt
2250 2011-04-22 21:29:41 <lumos> BlueMatt, read op
2251 2011-04-22 21:29:41 <marksmadness> did linus make a mint?
2252 2011-04-22 21:29:43 <marksmadness> no
2253 2011-04-22 21:29:51 <marksmadness> GNU baby
2254 2011-04-22 21:29:57 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: I know nothing about him.
2255 2011-04-22 21:30:00 <marksmadness> FDF
2256 2011-04-22 21:30:02 <marksmadness> FSF
2257 2011-04-22 21:30:08 <BlueMatt> lumos> do you think thats why he delayed publicizing it
2258 2011-04-22 21:30:08 <BlueMatt> <lumos> its a fine balance
2259 2011-04-22 21:30:21 <lumos> BlueMatt, yes?
2260 2011-04-22 21:30:28 <marksmadness> so what do you know about BTC?
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2262 2011-04-22 21:30:40 <Blitzboom> WTF do you care about his intentions?
2263 2011-04-22 21:30:44 <Blitzboom> it doesnât matter
2264 2011-04-22 21:30:51 <lumos> its a thought experiment
2265 2011-04-22 21:30:54 <lumos> for making money
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2267 2011-04-22 21:30:58 <Blitzboom> bitcoin is awesome regardless of the answer
2268 2011-04-22 21:31:04 <lumos> i hope meta currencies become the norm
2269 2011-04-22 21:31:09 <marksmadness> anyway... I am LONG on BTC!
2270 2011-04-22 21:31:13 <lumos> and was wondering if businesses might do this
2271 2011-04-22 21:31:14 <marksmadness> love live BTC!!
2272 2011-04-22 21:31:32 <lumos> why you so hostile?
2273 2011-04-22 21:31:40 <marksmadness> and thanks be to those developing it.
2274 2011-04-22 21:31:43 <Blitzboom> lumos: yeah sure, the same businesses that struggle to accept any currency other than USD
2275 2011-04-22 21:31:50 <BlueMatt> lumos: that pretty clearly implies/is a directed question
2276 2011-04-22 21:31:57 <lumos> Blitzboom, business fill niches
2277 2011-04-22 21:32:03 <Blitzboom> but i would also like to see multiple currencies
2278 2011-04-22 21:32:07 <Blitzboom> competing with bitcoin
2279 2011-04-22 21:32:12 <lumos> BlueMatt, yeh i didnt say I THINK THAT, i said, 'do you think', i was questioning
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2281 2011-04-22 21:32:17 <marksmadness> US $ // US Bond... had a look lately on what it's doing?
2282 2011-04-22 21:32:18 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: yes you do, hes not a people person, he is a talented dev...
2283 2011-04-22 21:32:23 <marksmadness> oppisite of gold/silver
2284 2011-04-22 21:32:26 <marksmadness> and BTC
2285 2011-04-22 21:32:41 <BlueMatt> lumos: its a leading question because you say " do you think thats why he delayed publicizing it" which he didnt
2286 2011-04-22 21:32:59 <BlueMatt> hence my arguments
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2288 2011-04-22 21:33:02 <lumos> BlueMatt, i know what i meant
2289 2011-04-22 21:33:16 <BlueMatt> lumos: great, then enlighten us
2290 2011-04-22 21:33:20 <marksmadness> I MAD respect for Satoshi....
2291 2011-04-22 21:33:23 <lumos> BlueMatt, i already explained to you
2292 2011-04-22 21:33:26 <marksmadness> MAD respect for Satoshi....
2293 2011-04-22 21:33:27 <lumos> BlueMatt, wtf is your problem
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2295 2011-04-22 21:34:16 <BlueMatt> lumos: my problem is you made a leading question, you didnt bother to explain when i said that is incorrect and said that I am arguing against a point you didnt make. Then you contradicted yourself and never explained anything
2296 2011-04-22 21:34:30 <slueth> Ok.. who was the jackass that asked who owned lots of bitcoins lol..
2297 2011-04-22 21:34:42 <marksmadness> I wish I was
2298 2011-04-22 21:34:46 <lumos> BlueMatt, i did explain, learn to read
2299 2011-04-22 21:35:03 <BlueMatt> lumos: quote please
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2301 2011-04-22 21:35:45 <marksmadness> but... here is an interesting question. What if I did have 1 Billion $.... If I purchased ALL of the bTC would/sould I own it/destroy it?
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2303 2011-04-22 21:36:01 <lumos> BlueMatt, 1) i said he could have publicized more 2) that it is a legitimate idea that someone could profit from creating a meta currency and mining it whilst the difficulty level is low
2304 2011-04-22 21:36:10 <[Noodles]> you wouldn't be able to get them
2305 2011-04-22 21:36:22 <marksmadness> why?
2306 2011-04-22 21:36:30 <Blitzboom> google cornering the market
2307 2011-04-22 21:36:34 <JackRabiit> Soooo we have Four active players on Lyearnys .02-.04 NoLimit Anyone who wants to play some texas hold 'em should come to Betco.in
2308 2011-04-22 21:36:35 <Blitzboom> you will go broke
2309 2011-04-22 21:36:43 <BlueMatt> lumos: I argued that 1) he really coundnt have and 2) yes, but you implied that he did that on purpose
2310 2011-04-22 21:36:47 <marksmadness> what if I was the us gov't... couldn't I just purchase them on mtgox?
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2312 2011-04-22 21:36:50 <marksmadness> day after day?
2313 2011-04-22 21:36:53 <Blitzboom> and make some people extremely wealthy
2314 2011-04-22 21:37:00 <[Noodles]> because 1billion $ isn't enough to pay for MY last coins, i want to keep some
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2316 2011-04-22 21:37:03 <lumos> BlueMatt, I *implied* that doesnt hold up in a court of law
2317 2011-04-22 21:37:11 <marksmadness> well that is assuming the $ doens't crash...
2318 2011-04-22 21:37:17 <lumos> BlueMatt, what are your sources
2319 2011-04-22 21:37:18 <BlueMatt> lumos: hence you never explained anything...and that wasnt a quote
2320 2011-04-22 21:37:25 <lumos> BlueMatt, so you just attacked
2321 2011-04-22 21:37:27 <BlueMatt> lumos: the quote I pasted about 20 lines ago
2322 2011-04-22 21:37:29 <Blitzboom> marksmadness: why not buy all gold, silver, stocks?
2323 2011-04-22 21:37:30 <slueth> marksmadness if you started to buy all the bitcoins in the world i would price my coins that I would be willing to sell for 1 billion dollars each.
2324 2011-04-22 21:37:33 <Blitzboom> same shit
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2326 2011-04-22 21:37:46 <marksmadness> Blitzboom: who do you think own all of those coins?
2327 2011-04-22 21:37:53 <Blitzboom> i hope the government is so fucking stupid and does
2328 2011-04-22 21:37:53 <marksmadness> (or majority)
2329 2011-04-22 21:38:04 <BlueMatt> lumos: please stop this ad hominem
2330 2011-04-22 21:38:12 <marksmadness> and who do you think sets the price?
2331 2011-04-22 21:38:19 <lumos> BlueMatt, i'm not going to argue with you anymore, you are just angry
2332 2011-04-22 21:38:29 <Blitzboom> noone owns the majority imo
2333 2011-04-22 21:38:38 <Blitzboom> and supply and demand set the price
2334 2011-04-22 21:38:39 <Blitzboom> what else?
2335 2011-04-22 21:38:45 <marksmadness> please... lumos/blue be friends...
2336 2011-04-22 21:38:55 <BlueMatt> lumos: and I dont care what does and doesnt hold up in a court of law that is in no way relevant, nor am I accusing you of anything beyond making random inaccurate statements which, when I tried to correct, you said you never said
2337 2011-04-22 21:39:06 <yebyen> there is only a small difference between buying a few bitcoins and starting to buy all the bitcoins in the world
2338 2011-04-22 21:39:14 <lumos> BlueMatt, a statement =/= a rhetorical question
2339 2011-04-22 21:39:56 <BlueMatt> lumos: a loaded question == a statement in a question
2340 2011-04-22 21:40:24 <lumos> BlueMatt, not really, its speculation and questioning, its what people do in discussions
2341 2011-04-22 21:40:34 <lumos> BlueMatt, if i thought something i would just say 'I THINK THIS'
2342 2011-04-22 21:40:45 <marksmadness> Ok... a dev question..... WHY CANT I OVERCLOCK A GPU?
2343 2011-04-22 21:40:55 <marksmadness> anyone know?
2344 2011-04-22 21:41:00 <BlueMatt> lumos: it wasnt a question it was a LOADED question, huge difference
2345 2011-04-22 21:41:12 <lumos> BlueMatt, why do you think it was a loaded question?
2346 2011-04-22 21:41:13 <BlueMatt> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question
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2348 2011-04-22 21:41:35 <lumos> BlueMatt, wtf i am not a politician trying to convince you of anything
2349 2011-04-22 21:41:41 <lumos> BlueMatt, i just wanted to know what people thought
2350 2011-04-22 21:41:44 <lumos> BlueMatt, leave me alone
2351 2011-04-22 21:41:47 <BlueMatt> <lumos> do you think thats why he delayed publicizing it
2352 2011-04-22 21:41:52 <BlueMatt> HE DIDNT DELAY PUBLICIZING IT
2353 2011-04-22 21:42:06 <BlueMatt> I already said that several times
2354 2011-04-22 21:42:21 <BlueMatt> hence, loaded question
2355 2011-04-22 21:42:25 <marksmadness> Can't we all get along here! geezee...
2356 2011-04-22 21:42:31 <Blitzboom> iâve read how satoshi helped to get bitcoin on wiki initially
2357 2011-04-22 21:42:46 * BlueMatt hates how he just turned into Diablo
2358 2011-04-22 21:43:00 <lumos> BlueMatt, ok?
2359 2011-04-22 21:43:07 <marksmadness> ---------------------
2360 2011-04-22 21:43:08 <lumos> BlueMatt, so
2361 2011-04-22 21:43:08 <BlueMatt> lumos: seriously?
2362 2011-04-22 21:43:12 <lumos> BlueMatt, you are saying
2363 2011-04-22 21:43:28 <lumos> BlueMatt, you are saying, that because i got something incorrect, it was a loaded question
2364 2011-04-22 21:44:01 <lumos> BlueMatt, why would it be a loaded question when i think satoshi had good intentions?
2365 2011-04-22 21:44:10 <BlueMatt> lumos: the way you phrased the quetion is quite literally the definition of a loaded question
2366 2011-04-22 21:44:22 <lumos> BlueMatt, i'm sorry my english is not good
2367 2011-04-22 21:44:29 <BlueMatt> loaded question is not something vague, it is very clearly defined
2368 2011-04-22 21:44:44 <marksmadness> I belive that BTC is holy.
2369 2011-04-22 21:44:46 <marksmadness> ha
2370 2011-04-22 21:44:47 <lumos> BlueMatt, seriously i'm not arguing about this anymore, its waste of time
2371 2011-04-22 21:44:50 <marksmadness> really i do.
2372 2011-04-22 21:45:50 <lumos> BlueMatt, 1 cpu 1 vote he said, the whole design of bitcoin is around proof of work, i think he had good intentions. but it is plausable that he didn't, and other people who replicate bitcoin won't.
2373 2011-04-22 21:45:55 <marksmadness> and I believe that satoshi is a great man for creating btc for all of use!
2374 2011-04-22 21:46:00 <marksmadness> *to use...
2375 2011-04-22 21:46:28 <lumos> [Noodles], can you give me a graph for btc value against linden, or do you set the exchange rate based on usd
2376 2011-04-22 21:46:56 <BlueMatt> lumos: I agree
2377 2011-04-22 21:47:24 <lumos> BlueMatt, good, i am happy
2378 2011-04-22 21:47:38 <marksmadness> I believe USD will be gone in 5 years
2379 2011-04-22 21:47:42 * BlueMatt :)
2380 2011-04-22 21:47:52 <lumos> C:
2381 2011-04-22 21:47:57 <BlueMatt> marksmadness: keep on dreaming
2382 2011-04-22 21:47:59 <marksmadness> and BTC will be avail for EVERYTHING
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2384 2011-04-22 21:48:17 <marksmadness> BlueMatt, what is the US bond doing today?
2385 2011-04-22 21:48:28 <LobsterMan> ;;bc,stats
2386 2011-04-22 21:48:29 <gribble> Current Blocks: 119655 | Current Difficulty: 92347.59095209 | Next Difficulty At Block: 120959 | Next Difficulty In: 1304 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 9 hours, 23 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 99763.11258739
2387 2011-04-22 21:49:02 <BlueMatt> marksmadness: btc might very well be usable for a ton of internet purchases in 5 years, but replacing an entire country's economy...not gonna happen
2388 2011-04-22 21:49:30 <Blitzboom> lol countries
2389 2011-04-22 21:49:42 <lumos> deflationary currencies are damaging to inflationary currencies? no?
2390 2011-04-22 21:49:44 <Blitzboom> what relevance do countries have anymore?
2391 2011-04-22 21:49:45 <[Noodles]> lumos: well, lindens are 'backed' by USD, the linden2USD rates are quite stable ~260/$
2392 2011-04-22 21:50:07 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: has his heads up in the clouds with marksmadness
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2394 2011-04-22 21:50:40 <Blitzboom> governments and countries are obsolete, BlueMatt
2395 2011-04-22 21:50:43 <BlueMatt> lumos: to an extent...
2396 2011-04-22 21:51:00 <luke-jr> Blitzboom: no
2397 2011-04-22 21:51:05 <luke-jr> Blitzboom: never will be
2398 2011-04-22 21:51:11 <lumos> [Noodles], ok cool thanks, i was just wondering if when bitcoin loses value to the usd how it still does to other currencies, because differences in trading volume, linden is more liquid no?
2399 2011-04-22 21:51:16 <Blitzboom> in this form yes, they are
2400 2011-04-22 21:51:18 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: I cant wait for that day...if it ever comes
2401 2011-04-22 21:52:56 <marksmadness> I will pay anyone 500 btc who can name ONE gov't that ISNT a CORPORATION.... (or at least those affiliated to the UN)
2402 2011-04-22 21:53:16 <BlueMatt> marksmadness: libya
2403 2011-04-22 21:53:17 <marksmadness> anyone have evidence?
2404 2011-04-22 21:53:21 <BlueMatt> its an insane dictatorship
2405 2011-04-22 21:53:30 <marksmadness> and the US isnt?
2406 2011-04-22 21:53:33 <marksmadness> hahaahahahaha
2407 2011-04-22 21:53:36 <lumos> marksmadness, u cant prove god doesnt exist!!111
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2409 2011-04-22 21:53:45 <marksmadness> makeing me fall off my seat
2410 2011-04-22 21:53:49 <marksmadness> lauging
2411 2011-04-22 21:54:00 <BlueMatt> marksmadness: no the us pretty much is
2412 2011-04-22 21:54:07 <marksmadness> I belive lumos
2413 2011-04-22 21:54:10 <BlueMatt> but lybia isnt a corporation ie ruled by money
2414 2011-04-22 21:54:11 <marksmadness> in divinity
2415 2011-04-22 21:54:13 <lumos> marksmadness, o
2416 2011-04-22 21:54:21 <marksmadness> yes lumos?
2417 2011-04-22 21:54:22 <BlueMatt> its ruled by an insane person, the us is mostly ruled by money
2418 2011-04-22 21:54:34 <marksmadness> US is ruled by the crown
2419 2011-04-22 21:54:38 <Blitzboom> did you know gaddafi has a shitton of gold?
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2421 2011-04-22 21:54:53 <BlueMatt> 500 BTC to 1EDMf3UATY1HMwfAHAvgRGCUcpFxtSVfha please
2422 2011-04-22 21:54:58 <Blitzboom> so the banks freezing his money did nothing to him
2423 2011-04-22 21:54:59 <lumos> marksmadness, you said to evidence that it isnt a corporation, then if there was no sign a government was, i still wouldnt be able to provide evidence of that
2424 2011-04-22 21:55:07 <marksmadness> Banks == us treasury
2425 2011-04-22 21:55:10 <BlueMatt> Blitzboom: yes, but the country isnt ruled by money, its ruler controls the money
2426 2011-04-22 21:55:10 <marksmadness> this is ONLY ONE BANK
2427 2011-04-22 21:55:21 <marksmadness> US TREASURY/ COMMERCE DEPT
2428 2011-04-22 21:55:22 <Blitzboom> BlueMatt: that was just a fun fact
2429 2011-04-22 21:55:28 <BlueMatt> yea
2430 2011-04-22 21:55:44 <BlueMatt> anyway I want my 500 BTC
2431 2011-04-22 21:56:03 <marksmadness> BlueMatt, is Libia part of the uN?
2432 2011-04-22 21:56:10 <BlueMatt> marksmadness: not any more
2433 2011-04-22 21:56:26 <BlueMatt> ...oh
2434 2011-04-22 21:56:27 <marksmadness> read my question...
2435 2011-04-22 21:56:33 <marksmadness> has to be part of UN
2436 2011-04-22 21:56:34 <BlueMatt> well they were
2437 2011-04-22 21:56:39 <marksmadness> good point
2438 2011-04-22 21:56:50 <BlueMatt> still have reps there, though not from gaddafi
2439 2011-04-22 21:56:57 <BlueMatt> or is it gadaffi?
2440 2011-04-22 21:57:25 lumos is now known as ahmedinejad
2441 2011-04-22 21:57:34 * BlueMatt shoots ahmedinejad
2442 2011-04-22 21:57:43 <ahmedinejad> ahmadi for world president
2443 2011-04-22 21:57:43 <Blitzboom> "donât buy bitcoins": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoK8HXMSsNg
2444 2011-04-22 21:57:44 <marksmadness> they are into saving their people and NOT giving it to the UN
2445 2011-04-22 21:57:50 <Blitzboom> this is great :D
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2447 2011-04-22 21:57:59 <marksmadness> that will make people buy MORE
2448 2011-04-22 21:58:42 <marksmadness> in fact...
2449 2011-04-22 21:58:49 <ahmedinejad> fuckr
2450 2011-04-22 21:58:50 <ahmedinejad> laalioj 1 second ago
2451 2011-04-22 21:59:24 <BlueMatt> wow that guy doesnt know what hes talking about
2452 2011-04-22 21:59:39 <marksmadness> anyway... no disrespect... I just like the idea of BTC... so do _most_ of the gentlemen that are here...
2453 2011-04-22 21:59:48 <BlueMatt> I agree they are overvalued, but that doesnt mean they have no value by no means
2454 2011-04-22 22:00:10 <ahmedinejad> is money a consumer/producer good
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2457 2011-04-22 22:00:28 <marksmadness> depended how you define 'money'
2458 2011-04-22 22:00:55 <BlueMatt> wow this guy just keeps sounding stupider and stupider
2459 2011-04-22 22:01:15 <marksmadness> btw, I apoligize if I offended anyone.. I am just digging the BTC!
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2461 2011-04-22 22:02:00 <ahmedinejad> i just come for the minors
2462 2011-04-22 22:02:20 <phantomcircuit> lol
2463 2011-04-22 22:02:25 <phantomcircuit> what a fool
2464 2011-04-22 22:02:29 <phantomcircuit> "there is no market for it"
2465 2011-04-22 22:02:37 <phantomcircuit> Blitzboom, is this guy for real?
2466 2011-04-22 22:02:40 <BlueMatt> not even worth commenting to correct that guy
2467 2011-04-22 22:02:55 <Blitzboom> i guess he is ã½(´ã¼ï½)ã
2468 2011-04-22 22:02:57 <Kiba> <fsargent> there's no medium of exchange between the real world and bitcoins
2469 2011-04-22 22:03:02 <Kiba> that what the guy said?
2470 2011-04-22 22:03:26 mine has joined
2471 2011-04-22 22:03:31 <Blitzboom> neither good, nor legal tender
2472 2011-04-22 22:03:33 <phantomcircuit> Kiba, that's basically what he's saying
2473 2011-04-22 22:03:35 <Blitzboom> OMG SELL YOUR GOLD
2474 2011-04-22 22:03:42 <Blitzboom> ITâS PURE SPECULATION
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2476 2011-04-22 22:04:11 <BlueMatt> OMG SELL YOUR USD ITS PURE SPECULATION AND THE COURTS WILL ADJUST THEIR "exchange value" FOR THEM SO THEY WILL LOSE ALL THEIR VALUE
2477 2011-04-22 22:04:24 <BlueMatt> that guy really didnt think this all the way through
2478 2011-04-22 22:04:43 <Blitzboom> my goodness
2479 2011-04-22 22:04:44 <ahmedinejad> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsIoJiFZE3A&feature=related
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2481 2011-04-22 22:05:10 <mine> what free software miner should i use for a 6990 ati miner?
2482 2011-04-22 22:06:00 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, as a general rule anybody who needs que cards and still says uhm is a moron
2483 2011-04-22 22:06:05 <luke-jr> mine: there is no such thing
2484 2011-04-22 22:06:17 <luke-jr> mine: heck, I doubt you can even use 6990 for graphics
2485 2011-04-22 22:06:31 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: most people say um, when 75% of your video is saying um, then you are absolutely right
2486 2011-04-22 22:06:48 <marksmadness> For all my friends, Top Secret Banker's Manual : http://autismtreatmentnow.com/Secret_Banker%27s_Manual.pdf
2487 2011-04-22 22:06:59 <marksmadness> hell of a read
2488 2011-04-22 22:07:10 <marksmadness> make you LOVE BTC
2489 2011-04-22 22:07:25 <marksmadness> and.... cry holding FRNs
2490 2011-04-22 22:07:40 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, i've taken to consciously avoiding saying uhm
2491 2011-04-22 22:07:54 <phantomcircuit> you'd be amazed by the effect it has on what people think of what you're saying
2492 2011-04-22 22:08:26 RenaKunisaki has joined
2493 2011-04-22 22:10:21 * BlueMatt wants to murder idiots who uploaded rar'd torrents
2494 2011-04-22 22:10:32 <gjs278> BlueMatt:
2495 2011-04-22 22:10:32 danbri has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2496 2011-04-22 22:10:36 <gjs278> thats because they take those rars
2497 2011-04-22 22:10:38 <gjs278> from usenet
2498 2011-04-22 22:10:39 <gjs278> and repost them
2499 2011-04-22 22:10:40 slueth has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2500 2011-04-22 22:10:52 <BlueMatt> I know but people need to know how to unrar first
2501 2011-04-22 22:10:56 <BlueMatt> its really not that hard
2502 2011-04-22 22:10:58 <gjs278> yeah
2503 2011-04-22 22:11:02 <gjs278> I hate rars on torrents too
2504 2011-04-22 22:11:07 <gjs278> especially if it's like a full season of a show
2505 2011-04-22 22:11:09 <gjs278> omg
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2507 2011-04-22 22:11:12 <gjs278> I just wanted one episode
2508 2011-04-22 22:11:27 <gjs278> btw did you get your 500 coins
2509 2011-04-22 22:11:29 nathan7 is now known as nathan8
2510 2011-04-22 22:11:48 <BlueMatt> gjs278: lol
2511 2011-04-22 22:12:06 <marksmadness> Friends... I have seen this happen iwith stocks/bonds.... Now what BTC is gaining value ....EXPECT THE SHILLS TO ENTER!!!!
2512 2011-04-22 22:12:31 <AmpEater> explain?
2513 2011-04-22 22:12:43 <marksmadness> please look up the definition of SHILL
2514 2011-04-22 22:12:52 <gjs278> ;;define shill
2515 2011-04-22 22:12:52 <gribble> Error: "define" is not a valid command.
2516 2011-04-22 22:13:04 <marksmadness> disinformation everywhere
2517 2011-04-22 22:13:08 <marksmadness> as it becomes mainstream
2518 2011-04-22 22:13:10 <AmpEater> ok, on this forum or in the broader sense?
2519 2011-04-22 22:13:25 <marksmadness> forum/everywhere....
2520 2011-04-22 22:13:30 <marksmadness> because...
2521 2011-04-22 22:13:57 <marksmadness> it is the potential disruptive tech/currency
2522 2011-04-22 22:14:09 nathan8 is now known as nathan
2523 2011-04-22 22:14:15 nathan is now known as nathan7
2524 2011-04-22 22:16:25 <phantomcircuit> marksmadness, what do they have to gain? afaik there is no way to short large quantities of btc
2525 2011-04-22 22:16:51 <marksmadness> deception my friend... keep the sheep in the pen.
2526 2011-04-22 22:17:09 <phantomcircuit> oh so the fed is going to start funding shills ?
2527 2011-04-22 22:17:14 <marksmadness> always been that way with the debtor/creditor ... slave/master
2528 2011-04-22 22:17:42 <marksmadness> phantomcircuit, who is the FED? I am confused... can you tell me?
2529 2011-04-22 22:17:47 <AmpEater> I've seen it happen in another circle....can't let an idea gain too much momentum without throwing some FUD into it
2530 2011-04-22 22:17:58 <marksmadness> right
2531 2011-04-22 22:18:05 <marksmadness> just a warning
2532 2011-04-22 22:18:20 <AmpEater> from a pair of shills
2533 2011-04-22 22:18:22 <AmpEater> LOL
2534 2011-04-22 22:18:53 <marksmadness> (15) âUnited Statesâ meansâ (A) a Federal corporation;
2535 2011-04-22 22:19:06 <marksmadness> is that your 'fed'?
2536 2011-04-22 22:19:08 <marksmadness> a fiction?
2537 2011-04-22 22:19:10 <marksmadness> corporation?
2538 2011-04-22 22:19:20 <marksmadness> http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode28/usc_sec_28_00003002----000-.html
2539 2011-04-22 22:19:24 <marksmadness> please read
2540 2011-04-22 22:19:28 <marksmadness> not my word... USC
2541 2011-04-22 22:19:31 <marksmadness> us code
2542 2011-04-22 22:20:34 <marksmadness> please read about a 'person'
2543 2011-04-22 22:20:41 <phantomcircuit> marksmadness, the federal reserve bank of the united states is pretty much always what people mean when they say "the fed"
2544 2011-04-22 22:21:03 <phantomcircuit> where as "the feds" refers to the federal government of the united states
2545 2011-04-22 22:21:10 <marksmadness> what is the US?
2546 2011-04-22 22:21:16 <AmpEater> http://www.politicususa.com/en/obama-citizens-united?from_rss
2547 2011-04-22 22:21:20 <marksmadness> what is the fed govt?
2548 2011-04-22 22:21:24 <marksmadness> a fiction?
2549 2011-04-22 22:21:36 <marksmadness> been to court phantomcircuit
2550 2011-04-22 22:21:37 <marksmadness> ?
2551 2011-04-22 22:21:43 <phantomcircuit> what?
2552 2011-04-22 22:21:51 <phantomcircuit> the federal government is a corporation
2553 2011-04-22 22:21:53 <marksmadness> what is a legal fiction?
2554 2011-04-22 22:21:58 <marksmadness> right
2555 2011-04-22 22:22:04 <marksmadness> correct
2556 2011-04-22 22:22:08 <marksmadness> no arguement
2557 2011-04-22 22:22:39 <Kiba> we reached the price of 0.04 BTC
2558 2011-04-22 22:22:41 <Kiba> err
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2560 2011-04-22 22:22:51 <Kiba> 1.4 USD per BTC
2561 2011-04-22 22:22:55 <Kiba> wowzer
2562 2011-04-22 22:23:14 <phantomcircuit> AmpEater, that's not an unreasonable step to take
2563 2011-04-22 22:23:26 <phantomcircuit> marksmadness, just like every town/county/state is a corporation
2564 2011-04-22 22:23:34 <phantomcircuit> there's a reason it's called unincorporated land
2565 2011-04-22 22:23:59 <phantomcircuit> AmpEater, although i would bet dollars to donuts that unions get exempted
2566 2011-04-22 22:24:27 <AmpEater> a step in the right direction, we need to universal recognize that was an improper ruling
2567 2011-04-22 22:24:31 <marksmadness> this is really interesting:
2568 2011-04-22 22:24:33 <marksmadness> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCIjRGLO6v0
2569 2011-04-22 22:24:33 <marksmadness> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCIjRGLO6v0
2570 2011-04-22 22:24:58 <marksmadness> phantomcircuit:: EXACTLY
2571 2011-04-22 22:25:10 <marksmadness> they are all FICTION!!!!
2572 2011-04-22 22:25:15 <marksmadness> literally
2573 2011-04-22 22:25:16 <marksmadness> matrix
2574 2011-04-22 22:25:21 <phantomcircuit> AmpEater, was it really though? what's the distinction between a corporation and a group of citizens?
2575 2011-04-22 22:25:42 <marksmadness> please look up their definition of 'citizen'
2576 2011-04-22 22:26:18 <AmpEater> the "unlimited" part....a group of citizens has a cap on their "voice", a corporation doesn't
2577 2011-04-22 22:26:29 <phantomcircuit> AmpEater, uh no they dont
2578 2011-04-22 22:26:39 <phantomcircuit> you can spend as much money as you want
2579 2011-04-22 22:26:41 <AmpEater> yeah, contributions are capped
2580 2011-04-22 22:26:44 <AmpEater> yeah?
2581 2011-04-22 22:26:55 <phantomcircuit> contributions are capped for both corporations and citizens
2582 2011-04-22 22:27:00 <phantomcircuit> citizens united was about spending
2583 2011-04-22 22:27:24 <AmpEater> let me go educate myself a bit more
2584 2011-04-22 22:27:24 <phantomcircuit> see this is what i done like about the media
2585 2011-04-22 22:27:25 <marksmadness> http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=united+states++citizen&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=united+states++citizen+definition+&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&channel=fs&fp=f26a11cf684416b&hl=en
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2587 2011-04-22 22:27:41 <marksmadness> u·nit·ed states cit·i·zen Citizenship in the United States is a status given to a legal member of the United States. It entails specific rights, duties, privileges and economic benefits including federal assistance.
2588 2011-04-22 22:27:52 <phantomcircuit> nobody knows what actually happened because everybody throws their spin on it
2589 2011-04-22 22:28:11 <phantomcircuit> marksmadness, so?
2590 2011-04-22 22:28:14 <marksmadness> then look up 'rights' 'privileges '
2591 2011-04-22 22:28:33 <marksmadness> as well as beneifits
2592 2011-04-22 22:28:42 <marksmadness> look up 'banker'
2593 2011-04-22 22:28:49 <marksmadness> you will laugh your ass off
2594 2011-04-22 22:29:20 <marksmadness> put everything in a mirror and it makes sense
2595 2011-04-22 22:29:36 <phantomcircuit> wow there's only 58k USD in btc for sale on mtgox
2596 2011-04-22 22:29:38 <phantomcircuit> that's amazing
2597 2011-04-22 22:30:08 <marksmadness> awesome
2598 2011-04-22 22:30:15 <Cusipzzz> + dark pools
2599 2011-04-22 22:30:22 <Kiba> ya know
2600 2011-04-22 22:30:24 <marksmadness> very soon 100K traded a day
2601 2011-04-22 22:30:28 <Kiba> people don't want to write for me:(
2602 2011-04-22 22:30:28 <marksmadness> 100K vol
2603 2011-04-22 22:30:42 <phantomcircuit> Kiba, ?
2604 2011-04-22 22:31:16 <nanotube> ;;bc,mtgox
2605 2011-04-22 22:31:17 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.4,"low":1.189,"vol":42551,"buy":1.3749,"sell":1.3989,"last":1.3749}}
2606 2011-04-22 22:31:49 <Kiba> bitcoinweekly.com
2607 2011-04-22 22:32:33 <marksmadness> Ok... I have talked to a lot of friends... Many WANT to get into BTC... but... moving to btc seems... well sketchy, meaning there is no real way to get in... I say that is cool!!!!
2608 2011-04-22 22:32:38 <nanotube> phantomcircuit: /me puts up an ask of 1btc for 100kusd, and instantly triples the amount of btc, in usd terms, for sale on mtgox. :)
2609 2011-04-22 22:32:46 <marksmadness> what I mean is that getting into btc
2610 2011-04-22 22:32:51 <marksmadness> eg, mtgox
2611 2011-04-22 22:33:02 <marksmadness> and wiring money to Jed...
2612 2011-04-22 22:33:08 <marksmadness> seems a bit strange
2613 2011-04-22 22:33:11 <marksmadness> but
2614 2011-04-22 22:33:15 <nanotube> bank wire... bank ach, euro SEPA transfers... paypal via bitcoinmorpheus
2615 2011-04-22 22:33:18 <marksmadness> risk = reward
2616 2011-04-22 22:33:22 <nanotube> marksmadness: how many more ways do you want?
2617 2011-04-22 22:33:32 <ahmedinejad> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13158351
2618 2011-04-22 22:33:44 <marksmadness> not sure... that is why I am asking the geoup Nano
2619 2011-04-22 22:33:52 <nanotube> marksmadness: short of mtgox having outlets in every 7/11 for deposits... just about everything is covered. :)
2620 2011-04-22 22:34:02 <marksmadness> I agree
2621 2011-04-22 22:34:46 <Cusipzzz> 7/11 sells moneydot/ green dot cards, can sell them for btc
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2625 2011-04-22 22:36:04 <marksmadness> I am challenging the group here... if I was to try to get of $ and move BTC ONLY ... is that possible?
2626 2011-04-22 22:36:53 <marksmadness> market forces...
2627 2011-04-22 22:37:00 <ahmedinejad> get rid of?
2628 2011-04-22 22:37:03 <Cusipzzz> move it...where?
2629 2011-04-22 22:37:28 <marksmadness> I believe this will move BTC from 1$ to 30 in a single day,eg if Google adds it to checkout?
2630 2011-04-22 22:37:34 <marksmadness> yea?
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2634 2011-04-22 22:38:35 <phantomcircuit> marksmadness, yeah it likely would
2635 2011-04-22 22:38:49 <marksmadness> I am serious
2636 2011-04-22 22:39:01 <marksmadness> and many eyes are looking at it now.
2637 2011-04-22 22:39:08 <marksmadness> with a lot of $
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2640 2011-04-22 22:39:14 <marksmadness> tust me
2641 2011-04-22 22:39:19 <marksmadness> trust me*
2642 2011-04-22 22:39:33 <Blitzboom> yes marksmadness
2643 2011-04-22 22:39:48 <Blitzboom> if google used bitcoin for google ads it would skyrocket to unbelievable prices
2644 2011-04-22 22:39:52 * LtBrenton is actually managing to get some day trading in on this.
2645 2011-04-22 22:39:56 <marksmadness> it tested 1.14 3 months ago... now it is holding
2646 2011-04-22 22:39:58 <marksmadness> and moving
2647 2011-04-22 22:40:03 <marksmadness> testing 1.40
2648 2011-04-22 22:40:07 <marksmadness> next is 1.70
2649 2011-04-22 22:40:12 <marksmadness> them 2.14
2650 2011-04-22 22:40:15 <marksmadness> then
2651 2011-04-22 22:40:17 <marksmadness> ..
2652 2011-04-22 22:40:20 <LtBrenton> THE WORLD
2653 2011-04-22 22:40:28 <marksmadness> it has the potential no?
2654 2011-04-22 22:40:34 <LtBrenton> pretty much
2655 2011-04-22 22:40:48 <Blitzboom> sure
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2657 2011-04-22 22:43:15 <marksmadness> so the question is.... we need a really easy way to convert FRNs ($) like. now.... MT gox is great but...
2658 2011-04-22 22:43:18 <marksmadness> escrow
2659 2011-04-22 22:43:35 <marksmadness> I have been thinking about this... and well...
2660 2011-04-22 22:43:48 <marksmadness> anyone got any bright ideas on this?
2661 2011-04-22 22:44:09 <marksmadness> I know this is an escrow 'service' but this is the part lacking...
2662 2011-04-22 22:44:22 <marksmadness> when that happens... this will EXPLODE
2663 2011-04-22 22:44:27 <marksmadness> in a single day
2664 2011-04-22 22:46:06 <marksmadness> The problem is .... I wouldn't want to see google take a large share in btc... or maybe i would... There just needs to be some kind of simple way to get in...
2665 2011-04-22 22:46:06 <Kiba> clearcoin?
2666 2011-04-22 22:46:15 <marksmadness> yeah I saw that Kiba...
2667 2011-04-22 22:46:18 <marksmadness> iti s cool
2668 2011-04-22 22:46:21 <marksmadness> but...
2669 2011-04-22 22:46:43 <marksmadness> This is what held me up...
2670 2011-04-22 22:46:49 <marksmadness> cause...
2671 2011-04-22 22:47:14 <marksmadness> I dont know if I trust Jed or MTGOx... I mean I do.. but....
2672 2011-04-22 22:47:14 <marksmadness> still sketchy
2673 2011-04-22 22:47:19 <marksmadness> wire
2674 2011-04-22 22:47:29 <marksmadness> you know what I am saying?
2675 2011-04-22 22:48:02 <Blitzboom> no, i donât
2676 2011-04-22 22:48:22 <marksmadness> what is the % of people that see BTC and want in... but back off because they dont see a 'valid' way to get in.
2677 2011-04-22 22:48:32 <Blitzboom> what valid way?
2678 2011-04-22 22:48:38 <Blitzboom> paypal and credit card is chargebackable
2679 2011-04-22 22:48:46 <Blitzboom> not our fault that it is shit
2680 2011-04-22 22:48:46 <marksmadness> eliminating fear...
2681 2011-04-22 22:48:50 <nanotube> well, morpheus does take paypal, Blitzboom
2682 2011-04-22 22:49:00 <Blitzboom> yes, for high fees and limited volume
2683 2011-04-22 22:49:05 <marksmadness> yeah but... just thinking...
2684 2011-04-22 22:49:10 <marksmadness> this is what held me up.
2685 2011-04-22 22:49:17 <marksmadness> and I know many are doing the same....
2686 2011-04-22 22:49:19 <Blitzboom> bitcoin is hard money
2687 2011-04-22 22:49:27 <marksmadness> which is AWESOME
2688 2011-04-22 22:49:30 <Blitzboom> compare it to acquiring gold
2689 2011-04-22 22:49:33 <Cusipzzz> wire transfer, it's not that difficult.
2690 2011-04-22 22:49:33 <marksmadness> right
2691 2011-04-22 22:49:34 <Blitzboom> or cash
2692 2011-04-22 22:49:37 <nanotube> Blitzboom: hehe well indeed. taking large volumes of soft money in exchange for btc is not likely.
2693 2011-04-22 22:49:49 <Blitzboom> and if you take this into account, bitcoins are REALLY easy to obtain
2694 2011-04-22 22:49:56 <marksmadness> i guess..
2695 2011-04-22 22:50:15 <Blitzboom> bitcoin = hard money
2696 2011-04-22 22:50:23 <Blitzboom> which means it belongs to you and to you only
2697 2011-04-22 22:50:31 <marksmadness> i mean I am the pied piper of BTC... but people ask me how to get in and ... when they see WIRE to Jed...
2698 2011-04-22 22:50:31 <Blitzboom> and you have 100% control of it
2699 2011-04-22 22:50:36 <marksmadness> they say what?
2700 2011-04-22 22:50:44 <marksmadness> i agree blitz
2701 2011-04-22 22:50:49 <marksmadness> not agrueing that
2702 2011-04-22 22:50:51 <nanotube> a network of cash-in-person exchangers will materialize eventually - once there's enough market penetration.
2703 2011-04-22 22:51:07 <marksmadness> many people want in....
2704 2011-04-22 22:51:17 <Blitzboom> you can fully trust mtgox
2705 2011-04-22 22:51:20 <Blitzboom> imo
2706 2011-04-22 22:51:21 <Cusipzzz> so.. if you wanted to buy say 'turkish lira'..and someone told you to wire to a currency exchange, or god forbid a turkish bank - that would be a problem?
2707 2011-04-22 22:51:25 <Blitzboom> the whole bitcoin community does
2708 2011-04-22 22:51:29 <Blitzboom> and there is no reason not to
2709 2011-04-22 22:51:48 <marksmadness> Ok, I agree. and I do... but I am just saying this is what is keeping the VOL from moving to 100K a day or 1M
2710 2011-04-22 22:51:51 <Blitzboom> they are the biggest exchange for a reason
2711 2011-04-22 22:52:13 <marksmadness> I just wired him $ today
2712 2011-04-22 22:52:21 <marksmadness> took me 4 months of watching btc
2713 2011-04-22 22:52:45 <marksmadness> that is my experience...
2714 2011-04-22 22:52:51 <Blitzboom> it takes a long time to build trust
2715 2011-04-22 22:52:53 <marksmadness> and to tell you the truth...
2716 2011-04-22 22:53:00 <marksmadness> it felt SKETCHY
2717 2011-04-22 22:53:04 <Cusipzzz> lol
2718 2011-04-22 22:53:09 <marksmadness> just saying
2719 2011-04-22 22:53:13 <marksmadness> i have hope
2720 2011-04-22 22:53:14 <Blitzboom> please tell what you would improve. thanks
2721 2011-04-22 22:53:22 <marksmadness> and I mailed Jed/Mark like 10 times
2722 2011-04-22 22:53:36 <marksmadness> Blitz... that is what I am asking the brains of this group...
2723 2011-04-22 22:53:43 <marksmadness> i dont kow
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2725 2011-04-22 22:53:59 <marksmadness> it is a hard problem
2726 2011-04-22 22:54:40 <marksmadness> Just wondering if any of you think about these things...
2727 2011-04-22 22:54:47 <Kiba> marksmadness: you're having problem with emails?
2728 2011-04-22 22:55:01 <Cusipzzz> can lead a hose to water, but can't make him drink..sure the gox experience can be better, fancy graphics, Trust-e and other worthless certifications, etc. but he's been a bit...busy
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2730 2011-04-22 22:55:10 <Cusipzzz> horse*
2731 2011-04-22 22:55:22 <Kiba> mark is busy?
2732 2011-04-22 22:55:23 <marksmadness> Kiba, I am speaking as an outsider... I am sold on btc and MT GOX
2733 2011-04-22 22:55:33 <Kiba> anyway
2734 2011-04-22 22:56:01 <marksmadness> I am just trying to think of a simple way to convert...
2735 2011-04-22 22:56:05 <marksmadness> really.
2736 2011-04-22 22:56:25 <marksmadness> talked with many devs about this... nobody seems to have any legit answers...
2737 2011-04-22 22:56:32 <marksmadness> and...
2738 2011-04-22 22:56:52 <marksmadness> not much going on in this area.
2739 2011-04-22 22:57:01 <ahmedinejad> does anyone know a cobrowsing plugin
2740 2011-04-22 22:57:03 <ArtForz> well, other than automated ach handling, can't get much simpler
2741 2011-04-22 22:57:06 <ahmedinejad> sorry wrong channel
2742 2011-04-22 22:57:50 <Cusipzzz> pretty sure he wants a slick, amazon.com looking site, with 3rd party certifcations and the usual signs of corporate legitimacy
2743 2011-04-22 22:58:00 <ArtForz> good luck with that
2744 2011-04-22 22:58:24 <Cusipzzz> agree, just saying
2745 2011-04-22 22:59:10 <ArtForz> and it'd still have about the same functionality, but with rounded corners! (and higher fees)
2746 2011-04-22 22:59:33 <marksmadness> Cusipzzz ... I am sold and I am in. But I reallu like this system. It has amazin potential. There is a HUGE group of people waiting for a solid way to enter.
2747 2011-04-22 22:59:36 <Cusipzzz> people love rounded corners...gift certificates, and a shopping cart for your BTC orders !
2748 2011-04-22 23:00:03 <Kiba> just a couple of hundred bucks and today we will break record
2749 2011-04-22 23:00:36 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
2750 2011-04-22 23:00:37 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.4,"low":1.189,"vol":39219,"buy":1.381,"sell":1.4,"last":1.4}}
2751 2011-04-22 23:00:59 <Cusipzzz> marksmadness: there was a guy who tried to go legit usa exchange - but i guess your friends don't want to fill out W9 forms or get 1099s either
2752 2011-04-22 23:01:02 <Cusipzzz> so it's a trade off
2753 2011-04-22 23:01:06 <Kiba> in a 15 minute interval
2754 2011-04-22 23:01:11 <Kiba> 3K USD are traded
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2758 2011-04-22 23:04:21 <marksmadness> Cusipzzz, I fill out 1099, 1040, 104es... Just as a secured party creditor....
2759 2011-04-22 23:04:27 <marksmadness> not a debtor
2760 2011-04-22 23:04:49 <marksmadness> HUGE diff
2761 2011-04-22 23:07:27 <rlifchitz> impressive rally!
2762 2011-04-22 23:07:39 <rlifchitz> $1,4 :)
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2772 2011-04-22 23:18:18 <markszmadness> Any guesses what BTC will be at this time next week? ArtForz?
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2774 2011-04-22 23:18:34 <markszmadness> 1 week ago 99 cents
2775 2011-04-22 23:18:44 <markszmadness> + 40 %
2776 2011-04-22 23:18:47 <markszmadness> i weeek
2777 2011-04-22 23:18:47 <mizerydearia> wtf just happened with http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6308.20?
2778 2011-04-22 23:18:51 <mizerydearia> Someone just deleted liek all the posts.
2779 2011-04-22 23:18:57 <mizerydearia> replies*
2780 2011-04-22 23:19:10 <mizerydearia> WTF CENSORSHIP?
2781 2011-04-22 23:19:42 <theymos> What happened?
2782 2011-04-22 23:20:12 <theymos> Oh, kiba split it.
2783 2011-04-22 23:21:05 <markszmadness> Any guesses what BTC will be at this time next week?
2784 2011-04-22 23:21:29 <markszmadness> kiba?
2785 2011-04-22 23:22:37 <markszmadness> anyone?
2786 2011-04-22 23:22:42 <mizerydearia> ah, it was moved
2787 2011-04-22 23:22:44 <mizerydearia> http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6317.0
2788 2011-04-22 23:22:55 <ArtForz> *looks at crystal ball* $1.35
2789 2011-04-22 23:23:01 <mizerydearia> omfgz, nice!
2790 2011-04-22 23:23:02 <markszmadness> i bet....2.oo
2791 2011-04-22 23:23:08 <mizerydearia> ArtForz, how much do you charge for your services?
2792 2011-04-22 23:23:08 <Blitzboom> over 9000
2793 2011-04-22 23:23:19 <markszmadness> my buddy says 1.70
2794 2011-04-22 23:23:27 <ArtForz> 42
2795 2011-04-22 23:23:28 <markszmadness> no way 1.35
2796 2011-04-22 23:23:38 <markszmadness> ok manybe
2797 2011-04-22 23:23:47 <markszmadness> maybe*
2798 2011-04-22 23:24:04 <markszmadness> the last time it did this it went back to .64
2799 2011-04-22 23:24:12 <markszmadness> but... no way this time
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2802 2011-04-22 23:24:22 <markszmadness> (OMHO)
2803 2011-04-22 23:24:39 <markszmadness> ArtForz you must be stoked!
2804 2011-04-22 23:24:46 <theymos> I think it will go back down to ~0.9. There's too much BTC lying around that will surface at these high prices.
2805 2011-04-22 23:24:49 <markszmadness> how many are you mining a day?
2806 2011-04-22 23:25:10 <ArtForz> about 410
2807 2011-04-22 23:25:11 <Blitzboom> theymos: youâre speaking of yourself, arenât you? :P
2808 2011-04-22 23:25:33 <jgarzik> theymos: IMO, there's enough transferring that it is tough to cash out mtgox fast enough, if you're selling
2809 2011-04-22 23:25:40 <markszmadness> theymos.... I am HOPING... I am waiting likethe crocs
2810 2011-04-22 23:25:46 <Blitzboom> iâll buy some more if itâll go <1$
2811 2011-04-22 23:26:01 <jgarzik> as soon as Big Buyer stops buying, it deflates back down to < $1
2812 2011-04-22 23:26:12 <markszmadness> hmmm
2813 2011-04-22 23:26:58 <theymos> It's pretty easy to trade MtGox USD for PayPal. I've just been keeping my USD on MtGox for when I buy back BTC, anyway.
2814 2011-04-22 23:26:59 <Kiba> jgarzik: ya think there's a big buyer?
2815 2011-04-22 23:27:01 <JFK911> ;;bc,mtgox
2816 2011-04-22 23:27:02 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":1.4,"low":1.189,"vol":39462,"buy":1.399,"sell":1.4,"last":1.4}}
2817 2011-04-22 23:27:02 <markszmadness> not sure it is goes down...
2818 2011-04-22 23:27:25 <markszmadness> 1.18 is the lowest bid.
2819 2011-04-22 23:27:40 <Cusipzzz> there is new demand, that doesn't fit the old model of 'big buyer'...i expect a pullback, sure, but there are not enough sellers to support a price around $1 now.
2820 2011-04-22 23:27:52 <netxshare> bleh
2821 2011-04-22 23:27:53 <markszmadness> i have been waiting at 99 cents. thought it would come down... and now I am pissed
2822 2011-04-22 23:27:57 <Kiba> another damn forum thread on deflationary spiral
2823 2011-04-22 23:27:59 <netxshare> I hate thinking of names for a domain
2824 2011-04-22 23:28:00 <Kiba> there is likely nothing new
2825 2011-04-22 23:28:29 <Kiba> netxshare: gimme your namecoins!
2826 2011-04-22 23:29:00 <jgarzik> Kiba: there are hangers-on, certainly. but if it's multiple buyers, then they are using very similar software (buying patterns), similar time zone ranges, similar quantities per day, and similar bid/ask/bot behavior triggers.
2827 2011-04-22 23:29:35 <markszmadness> so your saying lower?
2828 2011-04-22 23:30:15 <Warlord> is there any millionaires in bitcoin?
2829 2011-04-22 23:30:27 <Kiba> maybe satoshi is one
2830 2011-04-22 23:30:29 <jgarzik> probably satoshi
2831 2011-04-22 23:30:35 <netxshare> I would think so
2832 2011-04-22 23:30:48 <Kiba> but if he were to sell, he wouldn't be able to sell it for a million dollars
2833 2011-04-22 23:30:54 <markszmadness> jgarzik: only by honest mining...
2834 2011-04-22 23:30:56 <bd_> though cashing out on all of that would erase the market :)
2835 2011-04-22 23:30:57 <netxshare> not at once
2836 2011-04-22 23:31:00 <Kiba> though half a million dollars were exchanged in the last 30 days
2837 2011-04-22 23:31:11 <netxshare> he would have to do many small transactions
2838 2011-04-22 23:31:18 <Cusipzzz> he would trade otc with nanotube farming it out to everyone and the market would barely move
2839 2011-04-22 23:31:25 <jgarzik> ...kinda like Big Buyer is doing small transactions now
2840 2011-04-22 23:31:36 <Kiba> if that continues, than the mtgox market is set to do 6 million dollars a year?
2841 2011-04-22 23:31:50 <netxshare> I thought about writing a bot to automate buying and selling
2842 2011-04-22 23:31:53 <jgarzik> $6m/year is small potatoes, in terms of markets
2843 2011-04-22 23:32:04 <Kiba> jgarzik: we are very small
2844 2011-04-22 23:32:09 <netxshare> just stick how much you want to spend
2845 2011-04-22 23:32:11 <markszmadness> 6M = 6M
2846 2011-04-22 23:32:21 <netxshare> and watch for asks in a set range with a set amount for sale
2847 2011-04-22 23:32:47 <jgarzik> netxshare: http://www.geniustrader.org/ is a decent framework
2848 2011-04-22 23:32:58 <Kiba> I think we just barely break the previous record
2849 2011-04-22 23:33:06 <jgarzik> set level of risk, amount to risk per trade, observe performance dispassionately over time, ...
2850 2011-04-22 23:33:11 <jgarzik> what a bot should do
2851 2011-04-22 23:33:31 <netxshare> thanks for that
2852 2011-04-22 23:33:34 <netxshare> that looks great
2853 2011-04-22 23:33:36 <markszmadness> Kiba, when it breaks a test, it starts a new support
2854 2011-04-22 23:33:54 <markszmadness> when investors get a wifff....
2855 2011-04-22 23:33:58 <markszmadness> watch out
2856 2011-04-22 23:34:00 <markszmadness> ltierally
2857 2011-04-22 23:34:10 <netxshare> I have been wanting to write one for just the stock market too
2858 2011-04-22 23:34:14 <markszmadness> this will jump so fast
2859 2011-04-22 23:34:25 <netxshare> this looks like it's used with any type of trading
2860 2011-04-22 23:34:32 <jgarzik> netxshare: yep
2861 2011-04-22 23:34:44 <netxshare> thanks again
2862 2011-04-22 23:34:46 <jgarzik> netxshare: concepts are the same regardless of market -- how much to risk, how risky is a trade, etc.
2863 2011-04-22 23:34:52 <netxshare> yeah
2864 2011-04-22 23:35:01 <Kiba> bitcoin stock market?
2865 2011-04-22 23:35:07 <netxshare> no
2866 2011-04-22 23:35:38 <Kiba> a stock market is coming every day now...
2867 2011-04-22 23:35:50 <netxshare> blackmarket.py?
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2869 2011-04-22 23:36:02 <Kiba> methink most companies on the stockmarket is going to be a losing proposition in term of diviend
2870 2011-04-22 23:36:04 <netxshare> I don't know the name of it
2871 2011-04-22 23:36:30 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, automated trading like that is ... dangerous
2872 2011-04-22 23:37:17 <netxshare> it's be come rather common
2873 2011-04-22 23:37:34 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: it's a tool in the toolbox
2874 2011-04-22 23:37:34 <phantomcircuit> sure still dangerous
2875 2011-04-22 23:37:41 <netxshare> yeah
2876 2011-04-22 23:37:50 <markszmadness> Kiba, have you ever traded?
2877 2011-04-22 23:38:00 <netxshare> but it can also make good money if it's setup right
2878 2011-04-22 23:38:00 <markszmadness> eg, on a stock market?
2879 2011-04-22 23:38:16 <markszmadness> I have traded millions of $
2880 2011-04-22 23:38:21 <markszmadness> and
2881 2011-04-22 23:38:37 <markszmadness> I have never seen an opportiunity like btx
2882 2011-04-22 23:38:37 <netxshare> I just want to have it pick trades and see if it picks right or not
2883 2011-04-22 23:38:40 <markszmadness> btc
2884 2011-04-22 23:38:55 <netxshare> I have traded billions of $
2885 2011-04-22 23:38:57 <netxshare> !#!!#
2886 2011-04-22 23:39:12 <markszmadness> netxshare, what it your opinion?
2887 2011-04-22 23:39:17 <markszmadness> of (btc)?
2888 2011-04-22 23:39:58 <netxshare> it will become more mainstream, will hit $2 in the next month at least.
2889 2011-04-22 23:40:04 <markszmadness> I have lost, won, lost won... but... there has never be a crytp currency
2890 2011-04-22 23:40:15 <markszmadness> this is a marvel to modern life
2891 2011-04-22 23:40:47 <markszmadness> netxshare, if you were an investor, that would be a given
2892 2011-04-22 23:40:53 <markszmadness> look at the charts
2893 2011-04-22 23:41:15 <markszmadness> .004 ... to .40 in a SINGLE year ... then .40 to 1.40?
2894 2011-04-22 23:41:25 <markszmadness> hmm
2895 2011-04-22 23:41:33 <markszmadness> mainstream?
2896 2011-04-22 23:41:43 <markszmadness> --------------
2897 2011-04-22 23:41:46 <jgarzik> markszmadness: yeah... looks just like the chart of a hundred penny stocks, right before they go back to zero :)
2898 2011-04-22 23:41:54 <phantomcircuit> netxshare, lol on billions?
2899 2011-04-22 23:42:03 <markszmadness> hahahahahhahahahahha
2900 2011-04-22 23:42:04 <phantomcircuit> my moron friend did a billion in 6 months last yeat
2901 2011-04-22 23:42:07 <markszmadness> shill?
2902 2011-04-22 23:42:12 <markszmadness> gesus
2903 2011-04-22 23:42:15 <phantomcircuit> he only made like 3% it was hilarious
2904 2011-04-22 23:42:35 <markszmadness> go back to zero
2905 2011-04-22 23:42:40 <markszmadness> 0.000
2906 2011-04-22 23:42:46 <jgarzik> markszmadness: it's just a thin market, I wouldn't read a whole lot into it
2907 2011-04-22 23:43:02 <sirius> the relative increase is big when you start from zero
2908 2011-04-22 23:43:06 <markszmadness> jgarzik: how many btc do you own?
2909 2011-04-22 23:43:08 <jgarzik> markszmadness: one big buyer with $500k-1M can double us
2910 2011-04-22 23:43:10 <markszmadness> straight up
2911 2011-04-22 23:43:19 <markszmadness> and DONT LIE
2912 2011-04-22 23:43:20 <netxshare> hehe billions!
2913 2011-04-22 23:43:26 <jgarzik> markszmadness: 2^256
2914 2011-04-22 23:43:30 <markszmadness> cute
2915 2011-04-22 23:43:51 <markszmadness> are you > 18?
2916 2011-04-22 23:43:56 <markszmadness> or > 35
2917 2011-04-22 23:44:01 <markszmadness> just curious?
2918 2011-04-22 23:44:14 <markszmadness> jgarzik>?
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2920 2011-04-22 23:44:23 <markszmadness> or > 14
2921 2011-04-22 23:44:40 <markszmadness> ?
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2923 2011-04-22 23:45:16 <dfc> i just saw the wiki page about lightfoots node and nonstandard transactions
2924 2011-04-22 23:45:19 <dfc> what bits do you need to twiddle to accept non standard transaction (for btc)
2925 2011-04-22 23:45:41 <BlueMatt> dfc: lightfoot == luke-jr?
2926 2011-04-22 23:45:51 <jgarzik> dfc: sorta a knowledge test. you need to know enough to know that, in order to twiddle :) and do it on testnet, please.
2927 2011-04-22 23:46:21 <dfc> i was afraid of that:)
2928 2011-04-22 23:46:44 <dfc> so the theory goes that eventually tx fees will be the way to generate coins
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2930 2011-04-22 23:47:06 <dfc> the wiki page https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Free_transaction_relay_policy
2931 2011-04-22 23:47:12 <dfc> makes it seem pretty tempting
2932 2011-04-22 23:47:15 <jgarzik> dfc: no. eventually, coins cease to be generated. TX fees will be how the network survives after that.
2933 2011-04-22 23:47:48 <theymos> My non-standard tx patch for a very old version of Bitcoin: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=6aQiEJDz
2934 2011-04-22 23:47:50 <markszmadness> jgarzik: what is you goal with BTC?
2935 2011-04-22 23:47:51 <dfc> what is gained from a nonstandard transaction? Is this the multiparty escrow?
2936 2011-04-22 23:47:55 <jgarzik> dfc: luke-jr's node doesn't do much mining, so it will take forever for a non-standard tgransaction to go through
2937 2011-04-22 23:48:04 <markszmadness> or do you have a position?
2938 2011-04-22 23:48:07 <jgarzik> markszmadness: my goal? for bitcoin to succeed.
2939 2011-04-22 23:48:16 <markszmadness> jgarzik: why?
2940 2011-04-22 23:48:31 <markszmadness> what is your 'reason'?
2941 2011-04-22 23:48:35 <jgarzik> markszmadness: not really a #bitcoin-dev question :)
2942 2011-04-22 23:48:55 <markszmadness> no... it is a DIRECT/private queston.
2943 2011-04-22 23:48:56 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: how often is #bitcoin-dev actually talking about dev?
2944 2011-04-22 23:49:04 <markszmadness> can u answer?
2945 2011-04-22 23:49:11 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: well, I do have Diablo-D3 on /ignore :)
2946 2011-04-22 23:49:20 <dfc> jgarzik: is the code the only place to learn about the multiparty transctionprocessong?
2947 2011-04-22 23:49:46 <jgarzik> dfc: the wiki has some bits. you want to read the original satoshi paper, bitcoin.pdf.
2948 2011-04-22 23:49:47 <dfc> oops multiparty escrow
2949 2011-04-22 23:49:51 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: if you just want dev, youll have to add just about everyone but gavin ;)
2950 2011-04-22 23:50:21 <jgarzik> dfc: oh, best ref is satoshi posts on the forum :/
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2952 2011-04-22 23:50:53 <markszmadness> jgarzik: no offence, your position is a wild boast: ignore /not answer is a shill/fool would do..
2953 2011-04-22 23:51:00 <dfc> jgarzik: what is the harm to the network for processing the nonstandard transactions? If its in the original paper i can check too
2954 2011-04-22 23:51:13 <jgarzik> markszmadness: you're a noob. I don't care.
2955 2011-04-22 23:51:17 <markszmadness> ha
2956 2011-04-22 23:51:22 <netxshare> where can I find that bitcoin.pdf?
2957 2011-04-22 23:51:23 <dfc> is that guy a regular? he sucks
2958 2011-04-22 23:51:23 <markszmadness> 30 years in unix son
2959 2011-04-22 23:51:35 <luke-jr> jgarzik: 2 weeks != forever
2960 2011-04-22 23:51:39 <jgarzik> Netsniper: www.bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
2961 2011-04-22 23:51:41 <netxshare> thanks
2962 2011-04-22 23:51:45 <jgarzik> netxshare: ^^
2963 2011-04-22 23:51:46 <dfc> netxshare: its on wikipedias page abut bitcoin
2964 2011-04-22 23:52:05 <theymos> dfc: There is no harm. It's a terrible policy. Miners will just start connecting to thousands of peers (using more resources than necessary) to collect fee-carrying non-standard transactions.
2965 2011-04-22 23:52:06 <netxshare> and I thought I had been to every page on there
2966 2011-04-22 23:52:14 <markszmadness> jgarzik: you will learn.. Stand aside.
2967 2011-04-22 23:52:14 <jgarzik> dfc: well, that's a complex question :) Some people disagree with theymos
2968 2011-04-22 23:52:21 <jgarzik> markszmadness: ok
2969 2011-04-22 23:52:28 <markszmadness> No offesce
2970 2011-04-22 23:52:30 <markszmadness> offence.
2971 2011-04-22 23:52:35 <dfc> 30 years in unix and you have terrible IRC manners
2972 2011-04-22 23:52:44 <jgarzik> and terrible google skills
2973 2011-04-22 23:53:05 <netxshare> he has traded millions of $
2974 2011-04-22 23:53:08 <markszmadness> dfc: how many BTC do you one?
2975 2011-04-22 23:53:09 <markszmadness> own?
2976 2011-04-22 23:53:24 <jgarzik> dfc: bitcoin is basically a distributed, decentralized notary service for small bits of data
2977 2011-04-22 23:53:26 <dfc> markszmadness: im not really interested in it for the money
2978 2011-04-22 23:53:33 <markszmadness> oh
2979 2011-04-22 23:53:38 <luke-jr> theymos: the whole point of the free-relay network is so they *don't* have to connect to all the nodes, just one central relay
2980 2011-04-22 23:53:39 <dfc> i think its an interesting idea
2981 2011-04-22 23:53:43 <jgarzik> dfc: it is possible to use bitcoin network for non-currency purposes, the most popular example being DNS record registration
2982 2011-04-22 23:53:46 <jgarzik> dfc: it's just data
2983 2011-04-22 23:54:03 <Cusipzzz> bits are bits
2984 2011-04-22 23:54:17 <markszmadness> I am just here for the ... the ... ummm... something... i'll think of it later?
2985 2011-04-22 23:54:19 <jgarzik> dfc: so, non-standard transactions could open the door to <bias> clogging the network with non-currency transactions </bias>
2986 2011-04-22 23:54:27 <dfc> thats neat. i have not heard of the dns application (im obviously new)
2987 2011-04-22 23:54:33 <markszmadness> anyway
2988 2011-04-22 23:54:37 <jgarzik> dfc: it's just data
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2990 2011-04-22 23:55:15 <luke-jr> jgarzik: OR currency transactions you are too closed-minded to include
2991 2011-04-22 23:55:15 <jgarzik> dfc: a bitcoin value is a 64-bit value. you can use the lower 32 bits as a data channel, if nothing else (though there are far better solutions)
2992 2011-04-22 23:55:31 <luke-jr> for example, sendmany before it was "promoted" to a standard txn
2993 2011-04-22 23:55:35 <markszmadness> anyway... No offence, I am here for the same reasons. I am no better or no worse. I am just sampling the BTC republic.
2994 2011-04-22 23:55:49 <jrabbit> is it possible to run bitcoin on two networks?
2995 2011-04-22 23:55:49 <Kiba> there is no BTC republic
2996 2011-04-22 23:56:15 <jrabbit> i.e. the mainline and testnet or a theoretical dns one? :P
2997 2011-04-22 23:56:18 <BlueMatt> jrabbit: what exactly do you mean by two network?
2998 2011-04-22 23:56:21 <jgarzik> jrabbit: each block chain has its own network message identifier, genesis block and standard TCP port
2999 2011-04-22 23:56:24 <BlueMatt> oh
3000 2011-04-22 23:56:28 <jgarzik> jrabbit: but it's the same codebase
3001 2011-04-22 23:56:46 <jgarzik> jrabbit: main codebase switches effortlessly between mainnet and testnet
3002 2011-04-22 23:56:47 <jrabbit> "maybe with hacks" ? :P
3003 2011-04-22 23:56:47 <markszmadness> my apoliges if I offened anyone. Just trying to create collective conscicence. (dfc, , jharziK)
3004 2011-04-22 23:57:08 <jrabbit> jgarzik: ah ok
3005 2011-04-22 23:57:23 <jgarzik> markszmadness: bitcoiners are often a very privacy-focused group. blabbing about net worth is uncommon.
3006 2011-04-22 23:58:15 <dfc> wow jgarzik you didnt ignore him yet. nice, i guess that means there is a chance you will put up with some more of my questions;)
3007 2011-04-22 23:58:15 <theymos> Non-standard transactions will probably have high fees, so miners will include them regardless of what the default client says once they start appearing in large numbers.
3008 2011-04-22 23:58:35 <markszmadness> jgarzik: Net worth is not what I do. Even thought I do state a position as you did not.